| 00:00.00 | Flapp | but it said it couldn't write to the log file |
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| 00:00.33 | Flapp | because I'd have to delete one of my partitions then |
| 00:00.33 | Flapp | wich all contain valuable data |
| 00:00.33 | un1xer | I'm using xfce4 on etch, what do you recommend as a log viewer? |
| 00:00.33 | hall_ | hermogenes, thanks that worked, how can i do that on every boot? |
| 00:00.55 | Gnea | oh sunuvabeotch.... |
| 00:00.56 | Gnea | NVRM: The NVIDIA GeForce4 440 Go GPU installed in this system is |
| 00:00.57 | Gnea | NVRM: supported through the NVIDIA 1.0-96xx Legacy drivers. |
| 00:01.12 | hermogenes | endia314: get the source (apt-get source package), apply the patch and then install the package |
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| 00:01.31 | stoned | !ping |
| 00:01.31 | dpkg | pong |
| 00:01.37 | stoned | damn lag |
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| 00:01.59 | endia314 | hermogenes: I meant, getting the working version into the official Debian packaging system. |
| 00:02.04 | Gnea | 19:46 CTCP PING reply from stoned: 1.148 seconds |
| 00:02.20 | stoned | it was probably a spike. irssi showed me 47sec lag |
| 00:02.29 | Gnea | probably |
| 00:02.38 | Gnea | freenode has been pretty hokey lately |
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| 00:03.12 | un1xer | a good log viewer, any one? |
| 00:03.32 | hermogenes | hall_: add the partition to your /etc/fstab |
| 00:03.35 | Gnea | un1xer: tail |
| 00:03.44 | Gnea | un1xer: and ccze |
| 00:03.53 | stoned | Flapp: next time you decide to so things like these, it is higly advised to learn what is going on beofre you blindly try something. This is typical noob behaviour. |
| 00:04.13 | Flapp | things like what? install debian ? |
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| 00:04.17 | Gnea | lol |
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| 00:04.45 | stoned | Flapp: did you bother to find out how debian.exe works? did you bother to find out what happens if you are unable to install debian? did you bother to find out before hand how to restore the vista mbr? |
| 00:05.01 | stoned | Flapp: you were not prepared at all for this, you and simply jumped into it. |
| 00:05.10 | stoned | Flapp: im not yelling at you, I'm warning you and advising you |
| 00:05.23 | Flapp | stoned |
| 00:05.23 | un1xer | Gnea: tail is excellent in text mode, i'm looking for some thing in graphical mode. |
| 00:05.29 | Flapp | ill give you some info |
| 00:05.32 | Flapp | cause i already fixed it |
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| 00:05.42 | stoned | Flapp: you can either finish the debian install and modify the grub menu.lst or you can go to ##windows and they can guide you on how to restore vista boot |
| 00:05.43 | Flapp | actually im not running a live cd |
| 00:05.50 | Flapp | i installed gentoo on a different partition |
| 00:06.25 | stoned | Flapp: gentoo.. say no more. I am done speaking to you :) I'm glad you fixed it and it worked out for you. bye now |
| 00:06.36 | Flapp | still want to thank you for your good will |
| 00:06.45 | Gnea | un1xer: don't know about graphical... i always use ccze with tail in a gui to make it look nicer |
| 00:06.53 | Gnea | easier to read too |
| 00:06.55 | hermogenes | endia314: I dont know what you mean |
| 00:07.07 | Flapp | but i knew you'd even stop helping if you knew i was running gentoo nd thats why i didnt want debian |
| 00:07.21 | stoned | then kindly bug #gentoo |
| 00:07.31 | Flapp | but it was a debian related problem |
| 00:07.32 | Flapp | still |
| 00:07.33 | hall_ | thanks hermogenes, for a simple 2 drive backup would people recomend rsync or duplicity? |
| 00:07.36 | Flapp | thank you for your effort |
| 00:07.39 | stoned | Flapp: I hate microsoft with every fiber of my being |
| 00:07.39 | Gnea | Flapp: too many people like you taking advantage of our help like that... you outta be shot for that |
| 00:07.40 | Flapp | have a nice day! |
| 00:07.49 | stoned | I utterly loath it |
| 00:07.51 | Flapp | stoned, so do I but I still need it for my games xD |
| 00:07.56 | Gnea | !sunday |
| 00:07.56 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 00:07.57 | Flapp | well game* |
| 00:07.57 | stoned | xp for games |
| 00:08.00 | endia314 | hermogenes: What is the procedure to replace the package's current version with the fixed version in Debian's packaging system? |
| 00:08.04 | stoned | better memory management than vista |
| 00:08.13 | Flapp | true, but no directX 10 |
| 00:08.18 | un1xer | Gnea: I'm installing ccze as we speak, any advise on it? |
| 00:08.21 | stoned | and which dx10 game are you playing? |
| 00:08.23 | stoned | please tell me |
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| 00:08.34 | stoned | which video card do you have? |
| 00:08.36 | Gnea | un1xer: heh, use it... tail -f file.log | ccze -A |
| 00:08.43 | Flapp | 7800GTX |
| 00:08.50 | Gnea | hrm |
| 00:08.51 | stoned | which is dx9.. |
| 00:08.54 | hermogenes | endia314: if you have a debian package of the fixed version just install it |
| 00:08.57 | stoned | anyway.. which dx10 game? |
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| 00:09.06 | Flapp | stoned, im getting a 8600GTS |
| 00:09.15 | stoned | uhuh |
| 00:09.19 | stoned | thought so |
| 00:09.27 | endia314 | hermogenes: On the global Debian server system, not just on my machine. |
| 00:09.49 | stoned | I should not be here on sundays.. almost every sunday this channel gets my blood pressure up |
| 00:09.54 | stoned | where do these tools come from? |
| 00:10.01 | Gnea | heh |
| 00:10.11 | stoned | i swear to god man... |
| 00:10.12 | un1xer | Gnea: Thank you, i'm going to try it. :) |
| 00:10.17 | Gnea | fucking a, now nvidia legacy won't setup |
| 00:10.17 | hermogenes | endia314: what do you mean by "global Debian server system"? |
| 00:10.56 | Gnea | i just want to make a fucking .deb and install it, and the legacy doesn't provide that functionality |
| 00:11.18 | Flapp | stoned, can you help me? xD, this is not gentoo or debian or anything related |
| 00:11.21 | Flapp | grub related |
| 00:11.24 | Flapp | I f*cked up xD |
| 00:11.59 | endia314 | hermogenes: As in, the servers that you download new versions of packages from. Like ftp.us.debian.org. |
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| 00:12.34 | hermogenes | endia314: Only the debian developer who mainteins that package can do that. If he is aware of he patch he will do that. |
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| 00:12.54 | Gnea | !grub |
| 00:12.55 | dpkg | it has been said that grub is the Grand Unified Bootloader at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ . It's an extremely powerful boot loader that can boot a lot of OSes, understands a lot of filesystems including reiserfs.. Go here for an excellent step-by-step description of setting up grub on your system: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=4622, or a distributed internet crawler.. NOT recommendend with JFS |
| 00:13.11 | dErFF | !linux |
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| 00:13.11 | dpkg | it has been said that linux is closed |
| 00:13.15 | hermogenes | the* |
| 00:13.21 | dErFF | !debian |
| 00:13.22 | dpkg | well, debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 00:13.27 | stoned | !msg the bot |
| 00:13.27 | dpkg | it has been said that msg the bot is please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database |
| 00:13.39 | uzer | anything better than deborphan to find unused packages? |
| 00:13.53 | stoned | Flapp: no. as you just said.. it is not debian related. please visit ##linux or #grub |
| 00:14.01 | Gnea | !abuse |
| 00:14.02 | dpkg | RAPE! RAPE!! Don't ever come near me again! |
| 00:14.03 | Flapp | ok |
| 00:14.28 | un1xer | Gnea: Very nice in did, thank you for the tip! :D |
| 00:14.31 | endia314 | hermogenes: And so if the maintainer of a package with an RC bug is unavailable for some reason, is the new version release held up? |
| 00:14.36 | Gnea | un1xer: have fun :) |
| 00:15.24 | stew | endia314: no, another DD can make a 7 day delayed non-maintainer upload |
| 00:16.03 | endia314 | stew: Oh, okay. |
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| 00:22.40 | Gnea | garrrrrrrrrrr, stupid nvidia legacy, stupid nvidia and fucking 2.6.20.... |
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| 00:23.18 | rahul | !penixstrike stoned |
| 00:23.18 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking stoned to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
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| 00:23.35 | rahul | I got home around 2 in the afternoon |
| 00:23.48 | rahul | heh, took a nap at the studio |
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| 00:28.06 | Gnea | oh for fuck's sake |
| 00:28.06 | Gnea | i can't even go back to 8776 now |
| 00:28.06 | Gnea | nvidia-glx is fucked |
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| 00:29.47 | Gnea | does anyone know how to get nvidia legacy drivers setup? the docs simply do not explain it right anymore. |
| 00:30.03 | Gnea | i'm in sid and this piece of shit doesn't work right anymore... |
| 00:32.07 | stoned | I went on a date, watched spidey 3, got some food, then some drinks.. |
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| 00:32.25 | stoned | ending was kinda gayish, but all in all it was awesome |
| 00:32.38 | rahul | stoned: you mean she turned out to be a he? :P |
| 00:33.00 | rahul | but you kissed him goodnight anyway? :P |
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| 00:33.59 | stoned | no room left for a sequel. they killed venom in the ending |
| 00:34.11 | stoned | they should've put carnage in too |
| 00:34.14 | Gnea | oh goodie, the website explains it |
| 00:34.24 | stoned | Gnea: yup, read the docs eh |
| 00:34.25 | stoned | :) |
| 00:34.33 | Gnea | that'll learn 'em! :D |
| 00:34.35 | Heston | spider man 3 was shit |
| 00:34.47 | Gnea | Heston: don't spoil it for me |
| 00:34.48 | Heston | dont waste your moneyt |
| 00:34.55 | Gnea | man |
| 00:34.58 | Gnea | i don't even know you |
| 00:35.01 | stoned | Gnea: /ignore |
| 00:35.03 | Gnea | !GTFO |
| 00:35.03 | dpkg | from memory, gtfo is get the fsck out |
| 00:35.09 | Gnea | stoned: word |
| 00:35.22 | rahul | he's doing you a favor, heh |
| 00:35.26 | daeos | stoned: i agree carnage should have been added |
| 00:35.30 | Heston | just because stoned has no sense of a good movie doesnt mean im wrong |
| 00:35.35 | cafuego | Im sorry, were you expecting it to be a good movie? |
| 00:35.38 | stoned | !ot |
| 00:35.38 | dpkg | #debian-offtopic is not a place where nolife from #debian can come at will and feel at home. find another place ffs |
| 00:35.46 | daeos | stoned: maybe they had a bad budget ;) |
| 00:35.46 | stoned | Gnea: which video card do you have? |
| 00:35.58 | stoned | Gnea: how old is it that you actually need legacy drivers |
| 00:35.59 | Gnea | stoned: it's a geforce 4 go (toshiba laptop) |
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| 00:36.03 | stoned | oh damn |
| 00:36.07 | Gnea | i dont' have a choice :) |
| 00:36.11 | stoned | thats like 5 years ago man |
| 00:36.12 | stoned | heh |
| 00:36.18 | Gnea | dude, it's a p4 1.7ghz |
| 00:36.24 | Gnea | it ain't THAT old heh |
| 00:36.27 | stoned | well as long as it was free |
| 00:36.30 | Gnea | still functional, still kicks arse |
| 00:36.33 | stoned | i have an inspiron 1.8ghz |
| 00:36.35 | Gnea | now that you mention it... |
| 00:36.43 | GuySoft | hello, i am getting "subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 1" with the gimp-plugins package, is there a way to force-remove it? because its damaging all the package system. |
| 00:36.44 | stoned | its got a damn radeon though, it was free so no complaints |
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| 00:37.28 | Gnea | stoned: it's almost like a mixed blessing when one runs across a system like that for free :) |
| 00:37.38 | stoned | o yeah definitely |
| 00:38.04 | stoned | oy |
| 00:38.21 | stoned | no my old prof. in osu |
| 00:38.23 | stoned | okc |
| 00:38.31 | stoned | you can just ask me in channel |
| 00:38.33 | stoned | :) |
| 00:38.45 | stoned | yup |
| 00:38.51 | Gnea | oh ok |
| 00:38.52 | Gnea | lol |
| 00:38.53 | stoned | im too lazy to type /msg Gnea |
| 00:38.58 | stoned | ;D |
| 00:39.01 | rahul | just hit tab |
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| 00:39.20 | rahul | default will be the last person you msged with |
| 00:39.22 | stoned | rahul: im a bit ticked off at ya, so try not to talk to me for a while |
| 00:39.30 | stoned | thanks. |
| 00:39.34 | rahul | heh |
| 00:39.35 | Sazpaimon | alright, im back at last |
| 00:39.43 | rahul | hey, you wouldn't have gone out on this date if it weren't for me |
| 00:39.49 | rahul | :P |
| 00:39.50 | Sazpaimon | Gnea, alright, first I apt-get upgrade |
| 00:39.58 | Sazpaimon | I've saved my route and ip r outpits |
| 00:40.09 | Sazpaimon | 13 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 136 not upgraded. |
| 00:40.23 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: cool, is it still pinging? |
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| 00:41.07 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: i'm wondering if maybe you need a newer kernel with that...i think etch ships with 2.6.18 |
| 00:41.29 | Sazpaimon | Gnea, im still sshing into it |
| 00:41.47 | stoned | I have a movie I downloaded, its in *.bin vcd format. I can mount the bin and play the mpgeg.dat file.. how do i convert/transcode to dvd format? |
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| 00:41.51 | stoned | any idea? |
| 00:42.03 | daeos | would it be possible to have 2 boxes running at once using debian and have both share cpu load? |
| 00:42.05 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: ok cool... see if you can get the kernel updated with their kernel config as best you can |
| 00:42.37 | Gnea | stoned: hrm, bin/cue is a VCD |
| 00:42.45 | stoned | yessir |
| 00:42.46 | Gnea | errr |
| 00:42.52 | Gnea | i mean, it's a VCD, not a DVD lol |
| 00:43.03 | stoned | yes so how can i transcode this to dvd format |
| 00:43.05 | Gnea | you might be able to rip the mpeg out of there and use transcode to make it into a dvd |
| 00:43.12 | stoned | hmm |
| 00:43.26 | shadow- | when is gnome 2.18 coming for debian etch :o |
| 00:43.29 | shadow- | or has it yet |
| 00:43.42 | Gnea | fuck gnome, who cares? :P |
| 00:43.45 | rahul | shadow-: etch has already been released |
| 00:43.46 | stew | shadow-: never, etch was released, it will not get a new version of gnome |
| 00:43.48 | shadow- | i care :( |
| 00:43.52 | rahul | whatever it has, it has |
| 00:44.04 | shadow- | i didnt ask when ETCH was coming out lol |
| 00:44.07 | rahul | only fixes will be applied. it's for stable software |
| 00:44.10 | rahul | shadow-: yes you did |
| 00:44.26 | shadow- | no i asked when gnome 2.18 was avalible for etch |
| 00:44.27 | rahul | shadow-: you just don't understand what it means for software to be released... |
| 00:44.30 | shadow- | since it ships with 2.14 |
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| 00:44.38 | Gnea | shadow-: it won't |
| 00:44.39 | stew | shadow-: the answer to your question is 'never'. the reason is that since etch has released, it will not get ANY new versions, just bugfixes and security fixes |
| 00:44.39 | uzer | shadow-: etch is stable, its locked |
| 00:44.44 | rahul | shadow-: and it will ship with that forever |
| 00:44.56 | Gnea | gnome sucks, and etch is stable |
| 00:45.01 | shadow- | i'm guessing it'll be part of etch testing? |
| 00:45.06 | rahul | uh |
| 00:45.06 | Gnea | if something sucks, it's not stable |
| 00:45.11 | rahul | shadow-: etch isn't testing any more |
| 00:45.14 | Gnea | ^^^ stupid logic |
| 00:45.17 | stew | shadow-: etch is now stable, it will never be testing again |
| 00:45.23 | uzer | shadow-: lenny is testing |
| 00:45.31 | Gnea | !branch |
| 00:45.32 | dpkg | i guess branch is what version of Debian you're using; etch/stable, lenny/testing, sid/unstable |
| 00:45.49 | shadow- | oh |
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| 00:46.59 | stew | shadow-: 2.6.18 just got uploaded to unstable, so it will probably move to lenny (the current testing) in a few weeks |
| 00:47.01 | daeos | what eggdrop script is used for dpkg? |
| 00:47.12 | Gnea | eggdrop? heh |
| 00:47.18 | Gnea | !version |
| 00:47.18 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename> |
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| 00:47.24 | Gnea | oops |
| 00:47.31 | stew | daeos: not eggdrop. its a blootbot: http://blootbot.sf.net |
| 00:47.32 | shadow- | but theres no easy way to install it on etch i'm guessing? |
| 00:47.44 | shadow- | other than compiling it |
| 00:47.48 | Gnea | dpkg: what are you? |
| 00:47.48 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 00:48.12 | stew | shadow-: it will probably be uploaded to backports.org before too long (/msg dpkg bpo) |
| 00:48.41 | daeos | thanks guys, wanted to know so i could make one for work |
| 00:49.20 | shadow- | thank you stew, first useful answer lol |
| 00:50.06 | stew | shadow-: you could also try '/msg dpkg simple sid backport' i dont' know if 'simple' would apply in this case though as it would be so many packages |
| 00:51.01 | Sazpaimon | Gnea, alright, now let me actually go through these dialgs and read them |
| 00:51.07 | Sazpaimon | first is the debconf screen |
| 00:51.13 | Sazpaimon | I'll just select dialog |
| 00:51.22 | Sazpaimon | medium priority.. |
| 00:51.40 | nick108 | Hi there, what would you consider a normal load average for a websserver with 1GB RAM? |
| 00:51.47 | Sazpaimon | console-date: don't touch keymap |
| 00:51.54 | nick108 | mine is currently 3.56, 4.16, 4.74 |
| 00:51.56 | Sazpaimon | *data |
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| 00:52.21 | Sazpaimon | You seem to have an entry for memtest86+ in /etc/lilo.conf. |
| 00:52.22 | Sazpaimon | Run lilo now [y/N]? |
| 00:52.24 | Sazpaimon | what |
| 00:52.29 | Sazpaimon | I'll say no |
| 00:52.44 | daeos | nick108: mine is only .04 .02 0.0 and im running at 384MB ram |
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| 00:53.45 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: doesn't hurt to run it, unless you're using grub |
| 00:55.03 | Gnea | fuck, the legacy drivers are crap!! |
| 00:55.11 | nick108 | daeos: Nagios is sending me warning messages every night - seems like the backups routines increase the load average |
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| 00:55.58 | nick108 | daeos: during the day it never surpasses 6.0 5.0 4.0 |
| 00:56.10 | Gnea | NVIDIA: failed to set MTRR 0xd8000000, 128M (write-combining) |
| 00:56.11 | Sazpaimon | Im pretty sure i'm running lilo |
| 00:56.22 | Sazpaimon | alright |
| 00:56.24 | maddash | why the feck does `netstat` take so long to return? |
| 00:56.25 | Sazpaimon | let's check my routing |
| 00:56.40 | Sazpaimon | ok, it's still there |
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| 00:56.47 | rahul | maddash: reverse dns |
| 00:56.50 | rahul | maddash: try -n |
| 00:56.51 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: any changes made to lilo.conf requires lilo to be run in order to update the mbr |
| 00:57.00 | Sazpaimon | ah |
| 00:57.03 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: if it was grub, the changes would take place automatically |
| 00:57.09 | Sazpaimon | alright, route and ip r still show up |
| 00:57.13 | Sazpaimon | should I reboot? |
| 00:57.16 | maddash | rahul: better. thanks. |
| 00:57.19 | Sazpaimon | or now should I dist-upgrade |
| 00:57.25 | Gnea | did you compile a new kernel? |
| 00:57.27 | Sazpaimon | no |
| 00:57.42 | Gnea | get a 2.6.18 together - can you install linux-source-2.6.18? |
| 00:57.49 | Sazpaimon | no idea |
| 00:57.54 | Sazpaimon | Ive never compiled a kernel |
| 00:57.54 | Gnea | try it |
| 00:57.58 | Gnea | it's easy |
| 00:58.12 | Gnea | first time, it's a PITFA |
| 00:58.23 | Sazpaimon | what about my bizzare custom kernel config |
| 00:58.23 | Gnea | do it about 10 times, you'll be a pro in no time |
| 00:58.35 | Gnea | it'll come in handy |
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| 00:58.54 | Sazpaimon | ok, but what do I do with it |
| 00:59.03 | itrebal | can you set the default interface from withith /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 00:59.05 | Gnea | if you install the source, it should throw a tar.bz2 in /usr/src/ |
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| 00:59.10 | maddash | wtf? I pinged every single mirror listed under "US," and none of them responded |
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| 00:59.18 | Sazpaimon | hm |
| 00:59.19 | Gnea | you can use it with the new kernel |
| 00:59.19 | Sazpaimon | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 00:59.19 | Sazpaimon | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:59.30 | Gnea | that's fine |
| 00:59.35 | Gnea | base-config is obsoleted in etch |
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| 01:01.56 | abrotman | maddash: ping isn't a good test |
| 01:02.23 | itrebal | abrotman: though it will tell you the most basic requirement :) |
| 01:02.29 | abrotman | no it won't |
| 01:02.37 | itrebal | sure it will, "is this IP functioning?" |
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| 01:02.53 | abrotman | itrebal: what if i block ping ? |
| 01:02.59 | itrebal | bah |
| 01:03.05 | abrotman | right .. thought so |
| 01:03.11 | maddash | abrotman: my network sucks. brb, going to sue my landlord. |
| 01:03.12 | itrebal | who blocks ping :P |
| 01:03.26 | abrotman | itrebal: lots of people |
| 01:03.31 | abrotman | stupid people :) |
| 01:03.37 | itrebal | :) |
| 01:04.13 | itrebal | d'you know how to set the default route via /etc/networkinterfaces? |
| 01:04.14 | Sazpaimon | alright Gnea |
| 01:04.18 | Sazpaimon | I set up linux-source |
| 01:04.20 | Sazpaimon | now what? |
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| 01:04.49 | abrotman | itrebal: man interfaces |
| 01:04.59 | itrebal | thanks |
| 01:05.31 | daeos | would it be possible to have 2 boxes running at once using debian and have both share cpu load? |
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| 01:06.20 | abrotman | daeos: cpu load of what ? |
| 01:07.07 | daeos | such as having multi cpu on one mobo, but since they are on 2 seperate ones... how could you have 1 box be similar to a main deb box and the 2nd pc be a slave that would handle specific processes |
| 01:07.16 | xoz | daeos: mosix |
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| 01:07.24 | Gnea | !mosix |
| 01:07.25 | dpkg | it has been said that mosix is http://www.mosix.org, or a clustering system that allows any size Linux cluster of x86 based workstations and servers to work like a single system. |
| 01:07.30 | Azar | hello honorables! |
| 01:07.31 | daeos | abrotman: or would that be too difficult and just to run 2 boxes with seperate services ? |
| 01:07.45 | xoz | !mosix |
| 01:07.45 | dpkg | i heard mosix is http://www.mosix.org, or a clustering system that allows any size Linux cluster of x86 based workstations and servers to work like a single system. |
| 01:08.02 | Gnea | daeos: if you have a gigabit network, shouldn't be an issue |
| 01:08.19 | xoz | daeos: but depends on application. you need a kernel patch for openmosix or mosix |
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| 01:08.39 | maddash | i m xos |
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| 01:08.59 | xoz | daeos: yep, you need a fast comm |
| 01:09.06 | Sazpaimon | Gnea, do i need any compile flags with this kernel? |
| 01:09.07 | acehigh | is there any alternative to wine? |
| 01:09.21 | itrebal | abrotman: I'm not seeing anything on it |
| 01:09.29 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: no, it's automatic - did you untar it? |
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| 01:10.03 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: there's a special process to this - you want to make sure that it's configured properly, but you also want to make sure that you create a .deb for it |
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| 01:10.22 | abrotman | itrebal: oh bullshit |
| 01:11.05 | maddash_ | "Tests of MOSIX show that the performance of several such applications over a 1Gb/s campus Grid is nearly identical to that of a single cluster." <---- what's a "single cluster"? isn't that what MOSIX produces? |
| 01:11.07 | nick108 | I've been studying the outpout of top on serveral machines now and realize that the memory (RAM) always seems to be exhausted |
| 01:11.13 | nick108 | how come? |
| 01:11.18 | Gnea | this is pissing me the fuck off. i need X on this system. |
| 01:11.30 | abrotman | Gnea: vesa! |
| 01:11.44 | nick108 | the load average on my local debian server is currently 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 |
| 01:11.51 | abrotman | nick108: that's how it should be |
| 01:11.54 | daeos | xoz: thanks for that |
| 01:11.58 | abrotman | !free ram |
| 01:11.58 | dpkg | Most modern operating systems try aggressively to use free physical memory for disk caching, but release it when actually needed by programs. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. |
| 01:12.03 | nick108 | Mem: 254688k total, 206332k used, 48356k free, 113356k buffers |
| 01:12.08 | nick108 | Swap: 738948k total, 59472k used, 679476k free, 46428k cached |
| 01:12.15 | acehigh | !wine |
| 01:12.15 | dpkg | from memory, wine is packaged in the wine package. http://www.winehq.com/ or #winehq. Stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator. A buggy alternative win32 API, or a tasty alcoholic beverage. |
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| 01:12.58 | Sazpaimon | Gnea, i untarred it |
| 01:12.59 | Sazpaimon | I havnt ran configure yet, as I didnt know if I need any flags |
| 01:12.59 | Sazpaimon_ | fucking freenode |
| 01:13.00 | Sazpaimon_ | [18:11] <Sazpaimon> Gnea, i untarred it |
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| 01:13.00 | Gnea | abrotman: fuck. that. i have an nvidia geforce 4 go that's been deprecated into legacy. legacy is version 71XX, while the last version i was using that worked really nicely was 8776, but that doesn't exist anymore, and 9755 is the only version in sid available right now. |
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| 01:13.35 | nick108 | abrotman: why does the RAM always have to be "exhausted"? I don't get the point? |
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| 01:13.38 | Gnea | heh |
| 01:13.46 | nick108 | abrotman: on my windows machine I have e.g. 1GB RAM but only 768M are currently in use |
| 01:13.58 | maddash_ | yikes. |
| 01:14.03 | abrotman | nick108: i wouldn't use windows as a measure of what an OS should do :) |
| 01:14.08 | Gnea | Sazpaimon_: ok, copy the config file for their kernel to /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.18/.config |
| 01:14.14 | nick108 | abrotman: you might be right ;-) |
| 01:14.16 | Gnea | Sazpaimon_: then cd there and: make oldconfig |
| 01:14.25 | Heston | unused ram is wasted ram |
| 01:14.29 | Gnea | Sazpaimon_: and just answer the questions till it's done |
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| 01:14.33 | abrotman | Gnea: snapshot ? |
| 01:14.39 | abrotman | Gnea: and put it on hold ? |
| 01:14.53 | nick108 | abrotman: just trying to figure out "who" is using up all the RAM in my system |
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| 01:15.39 | Gnea | abrotman: *sigh* i am such a fucking moron. i just found the .debs in the cache dir. i never ran apt-get clean. |
| 01:15.57 | Gnea | nick108: ps auxf | less |
| 01:16.01 | nick108 | also, the system is swapping - is that also the way it should be? |
| 01:16.02 | Nemoder | nick108: one reason for the kernel to aggressively use ram is so that the 2nd time you run a program it can load much much faster |
| 01:16.15 | Gnea | nick108: only if someone's using up a lot of ram :) |
| 01:16.22 | abrotman | nick108: top will give you the worst offenders .. but honestly .. unless you're heavily using swap .. wouldn't worry about it |
| 01:16.28 | daeos | abrotman: i don't get that free memory bit..... how do you tell? |
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| 01:16.32 | abrotman | nick108: vmstat .. what are your si/so numbers ? |
| 01:16.48 | nick108 | abrotman: what are si/so numbers? |
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| 01:16.54 | abrotman | nick108: vmstat |
| 01:17.47 | acehigh | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:17.53 | acehigh | !vmware |
| 01:17.53 | dpkg | vmware is probably Not Our Problem. If it was in debian, it would be, but since it ain't, it ain't. Ask the vendor for support. |
| 01:17.56 | acehigh | hehe |
| 01:18.19 | nick108 | abrotman: http://paste-bin.com/11585 |
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| 01:18.40 | nick108 | abrotman: si/so is both 0 |
| 01:18.44 | abrotman | then you're fine |
| 01:19.05 | abrotman | acehigh: /msg dpkg foo |
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| 01:19.44 | nick108 | abrotman: on the webserver si is 1 and so is 0 |
| 01:19.45 | acehigh | abrotman, yea ive seen that one too |
| 01:19.52 | shadow- | !debian |
| 01:19.52 | dpkg | well, debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 01:19.55 | acehigh | just thought that was funny |
| 01:19.56 | Sazpaimon_ | Gnea, I dont see any .config folder |
| 01:19.58 | Sazpaimon_ | do I make it? |
| 01:19.59 | abrotman | acehigh: i'm telling you to do it instead of showing us .. |
| 01:20.11 | shadow- | !ubuntu |
| 01:20.11 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 01:20.11 | shadow- | xD |
| 01:20.14 | Gnea | Sazpaimon_: it's not a folder, that's the name of the config file that you need to copy it to - its not there by default |
| 01:20.20 | Sazpaimon_ | ah |
| 01:20.22 | itrebal | abrotman: just read the manpage again, and unless I missed it yet again, it didn't say anything about making an IP the default |
| 01:20.39 | abrotman | nick108: so it's fine |
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| 01:21.18 | acehigh | so anyone know a good alternative to wine? |
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| 01:21.28 | Sazpaimon_ | whoops, need to install gcc |
| 01:21.30 | nick108 | abrotman: is there some mandatory reading to better understand memory and performance issues? |
| 01:21.51 | abrotman | nick108: i've found a few random things via google .. but nothing i can recall right now |
| 01:22.01 | Sazpaimon_ | Gnea, just use the default answers? |
| 01:22.21 | daeos | abrotman: most current kernal version is 2.6.21 right? |
| 01:22.33 | abrotman | daeos: i have no idea what veresion kernel.org is on |
| 01:22.58 | Gnea | Sazpaimon_: if you don't know what it is, you can type '?' and enter to see a description |
| 01:23.18 | Sazpaimon_ | heh, that just made me more confused |
| 01:23.19 | Gnea | Sazpaimon_: for most of it, it's fine to go with the default answer |
| 01:23.23 | Sazpaimon_ | except the "Press N if unsure" |
| 01:23.28 | Sazpaimon_ | so I'll go with that |
| 01:23.32 | Sazpaimon_ | because i'm unsure :P |
| 01:23.33 | Gnea | cool |
| 01:23.37 | Gnea | lol |
| 01:24.04 | Sazpaimon_ | all these helps are confusing |
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| 01:25.14 | xoz | Sazpaimon_: it takes some getting used to... |
| 01:25.55 | Azar | yea like with the automated answering systems: if this .. press #1, if that .. press #2.. |
| 01:26.12 | Sazpaimon_ | This option enables support for relay interface support in |
| 01:26.12 | Sazpaimon_ | certain file systems (such as debugfs). |
| 01:26.12 | Sazpaimon_ | It is designed to provide an efficient mechanism for tools and |
| 01:26.12 | Sazpaimon_ | facilities to relay large amounts of data from kernel space to |
| 01:26.12 | Sazpaimon_ | user space. |
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| 01:26.19 | Gnea | w00t! X is fixed |
| 01:26.20 | Sazpaimon_ | dammit |
| 01:26.22 | Sazpaimon_ | i thought that was gonna be on one line |
| 01:26.24 | Sazpaimon_ | anyway |
| 01:26.26 | Sazpaimon_ | I wanna say yes to that |
| 01:26.28 | Sazpaimon_ | but i dont know |
| 01:26.33 | Gnea | Sazpaimon_: damnit man, stop doing that :P |
| 01:26.45 | Sazpaimon | :P sorry |
| 01:26.48 | xoz | this is the president, dial 1 if you are wife #1, 2 if wife #2,etc... running joke in our country... |
| 01:26.51 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: you'll piss someone else off and get banned |
| 01:26.53 | NineTails | hello |
| 01:26.56 | modern | Hello |
| 01:27.01 | Sazpaimon | i thought it was wrapping around the window, not putting on seperate lines |
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| 01:27.02 | Sazpaimon | anyway |
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| 01:27.06 | Sazpaimon | should I say yes to that one? |
| 01:27.18 | Azar | Sazpaimon: it asks you to have sex with it? |
| 01:27.31 | Sazpaimon | what |
| 01:27.33 | Sazpaimon | no |
| 01:27.41 | Sazpaimon | I'll just go with the default again |
| 01:27.45 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: it's okay to go with the default |
| 01:28.10 | Sazpaimon | Support for tracing block io actions (BLK_DEV_IO_TRACE) [N/y/?] (NEW) |
| 01:28.14 | Sazpaimon | doesnt look like I need that |
| 01:28.16 | Sazpaimon | i'll say no |
| 01:28.24 | Sazpaimon | Support for Large Single Files (LSF) [N/y/?] (NEW) |
| 01:28.29 | nick108 | just stumbled accross htop - very nice tool! http://htop.sourceforge.net/ |
| 01:28.32 | Sazpaimon | hmm, i might have some backup files that are large |
| 01:28.34 | Sazpaimon | so yes? |
| 01:28.41 | Azar | nick108: yes indeeds |
| 01:28.52 | Azar | Gnea: what is he installing? |
| 01:28.55 | NineTails | confidential |
| 01:28.56 | modern | no |
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| 01:29.08 | Sazpaimon | oh, 2TB files |
| 01:29.14 | Sazpaimon | my hard drive isnt even that size |
| 01:29.20 | Sazpaimon | i'll jsut say Y anyway, it couldnt hurt |
| 01:30.12 | nick108 | What is your preferred command line client? Is everybody out there using PuTTY? |
| 01:30.24 | Azar | uh? bash ofcourse |
| 01:30.35 | Azar | :) its Saturday Night Live! |
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| 01:31.05 | cafuego | nick108: No, it doesn't run at all well on Linux. |
| 01:31.42 | nick108 | I use Linux only for my web servers :-( |
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| 01:31.53 | Azar | hey if bash is not ok with you you can install a dos emulator |
| 01:31.58 | Nemoder | cafuego: why not? |
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| 01:32.16 | Nemoder | there is a linux port of putty.. |
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| 01:32.19 | rahul | why would you use putty if you had something that's not putty? |
| 01:32.34 | cafuego | Nemoder: mainly because it's a windows app; and if on Linux, why not use `ssh' in a terminal or shell? |
| 01:32.36 | Azar | hey what's wrong with bash? |
| 01:32.43 | itrebal | wait wait wait.. |
| 01:32.48 | rahul | Azar: it doesn't have fuzzy completion |
| 01:32.56 | Sazpaimon | alrught, Gnea |
| 01:32.58 | Sazpaimon | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:33.08 | itrebal | PuTTY is just a method to connect to a computer to use their default shell |
| 01:33.09 | Nemoder | "putty supports flexible terminal setup, mid-session reconfiguration using Ctrl-rightclick, multiple X11 authentication protocols..." |
| 01:33.13 | Sazpaimon | is 1024 good? |
| 01:33.18 | cafuego | rahul: people who can type don't need fuzzy completion ;-) |
| 01:33.32 | rahul | cafuego: I'd just rather not type exactly :) |
| 01:33.40 | cafuego | Nemoder: ssh -X host app |
| 01:33.46 | rahul | type random segments of the filename |
| 01:33.51 | Sazpaimon | I'll just go with the default then |
| 01:33.52 | Azar | ssh yea! |
| 01:33.52 | Nemoder | well if you don't need the extra features there's no reason to use it but that doesn't mean it runs poorly |
| 01:33.53 | cafuego | much quicker than clicking all sort of checkboxes |
| 01:34.09 | rahul | Nemoder: what extra features? |
| 01:34.29 | cafuego | rahul: -L and -R i expect |
| 01:34.40 | Azar | stereo? |
| 01:34.51 | rahul | putty runs on my stereo? |
| 01:34.55 | cafuego | sure |
| 01:34.58 | rahul | heh |
| 01:35.04 | Azar | hehe putty stereo! |
| 01:35.07 | cafuego | ipodlinux with the linux port? |
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| 01:35.12 | Nemoder | rahul: honestly I don't know, I don't use it in linux but I wanted to make the point that it wasn't 'windows only' :P |
| 01:35.14 | rahul | fair enough :P |
| 01:35.23 | rahul | Nemoder: it's only sensible to use on windows |
| 01:35.34 | rahul | Nemoder: now stop claiming that it does things that it doesn't do... |
| 01:35.37 | cafuego | rahul: Sorry, in what way are windows users sensible? |
| 01:35.43 | rahul | hrm |
| 01:35.51 | Sazpaimon | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:35.52 | Nemoder | rahul: I was quoting the description on the debian package.... |
| 01:35.55 | nick108 | Let me rephrase my initial question: What are you Windoze users out there use to connect to a Linux command line via SSH? |
| 01:35.56 | rahul | cafuego: I have no idea |
| 01:36.03 | rahul | Nemoder: which tells you what? |
| 01:36.04 | Sazpaimon | Im gonna say yes on this, since my network card will be used in a production environm,ent |
| 01:36.11 | Sazpaimon | *environment |
| 01:36.20 | Sazpaimon | that's basically what it's for right? |
| 01:36.31 | Azar | nick108: vnc maybe? |
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| 01:36.57 | nick108 | Is it actually possible to use the Windoze command prompt as a command line tool to connect via SSH? |
| 01:36.59 | abrotman | nick108: putty |
| 01:37.08 | Sazpaimon | If your estimated Rx load is 10kpps or more, or if the card will be deployed on potentially unfriendly networks (e.g. in a firewall),then say Y here. |
| 01:37.14 | cafuego | nick108: Linux on vmware, running `ssh' ;-) |
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| 01:37.22 | nick108 | I also have been using putty |
| 01:37.25 | Sazpaimon | ...right? |
| 01:37.26 | Lamperi | nick108: install cygwin, it has ssh.exe cmdlinetool |
| 01:37.42 | Lamperi | but i'd prefer putty |
| 01:37.43 | hatter | hello all. I just added a sata INI-1623 pci card to my etch , and attached a 250gb HD, lspci shows up the pci card, the hard drive is not appearing to be recognised. something else i need to do ? |
| 01:37.47 | acu | I have a problem: I cannot enter in Debian with normal username - only root - it tells me that some file cannot read or there is no hard disk - |
| 01:37.49 | Sazpaimon | ugh, I'll just wait before i go on then... |
| 01:38.39 | Azar | acu: your /home seems to have ran away |
| 01:38.44 | acu | I go to /home/user if I right click and look at properties is showing me 1 GB while if I go one by one trough the folders I see ony few kb |
| 01:38.48 | hatter | nick108: putty works good |
| 01:38.54 | [itrebal_sleep] | off to bed, night! |
| 01:39.00 | acu | Azar: what should I do ? |
| 01:39.14 | Azar | acu: newbie me nver had this issue |
| 01:39.26 | hatter | nick108: and i use winscp for transfering files |
| 01:39.41 | cafuego | acu: Lots of shit in your .mozilla and other .dotdirs then. |
| 01:40.28 | acu | cafuego: I am going to erase them - I also attempted to open a powerpoint file with Impress - and that hanged the system |
| 01:40.47 | Azar | powerpoint? ewwwwww |
| 01:41.13 | rahul | eew |
| 01:41.13 | Azar | ugliest application I seen to date |
| 01:41.15 | rahul | penixpoint |
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| 01:41.30 | hatter | damn. i just found the answer. sata card INI-1623 PCI SATA-II controller. no driver yet in kernel 2.6. |
| 01:42.02 | enouf | hatter: what's lspci | grep -i 1623 say? |
| 01:42.11 | Azar | hatter: the newest shit - the less usable.. store it for use two years from now |
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| 01:42.16 | enouf | oh .. nm |
| 01:42.35 | hatter | enouf: lspci recognises the card |
| 01:42.52 | cafuego | hatter: That means exactly nothing |
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| 01:43.14 | hatter | cafuego: yes i know unfortunately,. |
| 01:43.25 | Azar | hatter: maybe you can return it with the excuse it does not fit with your system... get a better one |
| 01:43.43 | hatter | azar: good idea, I will try this |
| 01:43.47 | enouf | hatter: that only means that update-pciids has it (well the file it updates) in it's database ;-) |
| 01:44.04 | Azar | hatter: maybe they have older ones (at least one year old..) |
| 01:44.14 | enouf | hermogenes: which is a good first step |
| 01:44.18 | enouf | er hatter |
| 01:44.18 | acu | the Konqueror does not show the right folder size (is this a bug?) |
| 01:44.55 | Lamperi | nick108: yeah, cygwin won't be a ssh-client solution, but there's sshd for cygwin, and some utilities like sed |
| 01:44.58 | Azar | o/t folks I heard Al Gore accepted the CEO at ms... he starts inventing things there |
| 01:45.08 | enouf | acu: i'm not even going to punish you for using the term folder instead of DIR, since kde is a wintendo game |
| 01:45.14 | hatter | damn bill gates and his monkeys.... do not feed them ! |
| 01:45.44 | Azar | hatter: seen the sudo patent by ms? |
| 01:45.51 | acu | Azar: powerpoint sucks - but Impress sucks more |
| 01:45.55 | enouf | !spank kde |
| 01:46.04 | hatter | sudo patent ? |
| 01:46.20 | Azar | acu: I never used such application, my boss never uses it, our CEO never used it... wtf? |
| 01:46.31 | Azar | hatter: yes |
| 01:46.51 | hatter | omg. I hope this s/w patent thing gets fixed soon.... |
| 01:46.51 | Azar | and now something new: split screens.. on the monitor... hahaha |
| 01:46.57 | hatter | yeah |
| 01:47.14 | acu | How should I go in as user? |
| 01:47.33 | Azar | the split screen concept is as old as ... my dad maybe |
| 01:47.40 | Sazpaimon | okay, I finished make oldconfig |
| 01:47.44 | Sazpaimon | NOW what do I do? |
| 01:47.51 | acu | Can I erase everything in /home/user ? --- is everything rebuilt ? |
| 01:47.55 | Azar | abrotman: shhhh I saw you there comenting too, abrotman :) |
| 01:48.07 | abrotman | Azar: not in quite a while |
| 01:48.26 | Azar | I got you! but you did in the past :) |
| 01:48.29 | abrotman | that i remember anyways |
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| 01:48.44 | hatter | haha, I have been reading slashdot daily for the last 8 or 9 years and still havent posted |
| 01:48.45 | abrotman | Azar: sure .. i also used to spend all day answering questions on debian forums .. what's your point ? |
| 01:48.59 | Azar | ya'll read and post then spank my arse for reading it |
| 01:49.25 | Azar | debian got forums? where? :) |
| 01:49.27 | hatter | i think one day i may. but i doubt it. |
| 01:49.31 | abrotman | Azar: NO .. you feel it necessary to regurgitate every single damn story in this channel |
| 01:49.45 | Sazpaimon | Gnea, you around? |
| 01:49.55 | Azar | abrotman: you know... you are right, something is wrong with me.. |
| 01:50.20 | Azar | rahul: check me up sometimes, would you |
| 01:50.35 | bobloblian | I am remotely upgrading from a 2.4.27, according to the docs at debian.org, I should install a linux-image-2.6-* meta package |
| 01:50.49 | bobloblian | but last time I did this, I needed to use a kernel-image.2.6.8 |
| 01:50.58 | Azar | bobloblian: can you remotely reboot after that? |
| 01:51.08 | abrotman | bobloblian: etch uses linux-image* packages .. sarge uses kernel-image* |
| 01:51.09 | bobloblian | I can reboot, yes |
| 01:51.27 | Sazpaimon | whatever, I'll just go by these instructions |
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| 01:51.51 | bobloblian | Azar, I think you helped me last time with this, good to see you again :) |
| 01:51.59 | jecc | bobloblian: hi |
| 01:52.09 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: er yeah |
| 01:52.14 | Azar | bobloblian: well thanks for remembering... me looks at abrotman... |
| 01:52.23 | abrotman | what ? |
| 01:52.24 | Sazpaimon | Gnea, do i need to run make xconfig? |
| 01:52.33 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: no, oldconfig is good enough |
| 01:52.37 | Sazpaimon | ok |
| 01:52.39 | Azar | abrotman: oh nothing.... |
| 01:52.43 | jecc | listening to bbc |
| 01:52.48 | bobloblian | so should I install kernel-image, then install linux-image, is that the safe way to go? |
| 01:52.49 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: now, cp .config ~/config-2.6.18-test |
| 01:52.49 | abrotman | wtf |
| 01:52.50 | Sazpaimon | do I still need to ln it to /usr/src/linux |
| 01:52.54 | abrotman | bobloblian: you don't have to |
| 01:53.10 | bobloblian | I can go straight to linux-image? |
| 01:53.25 | Sazpaimon | Gnea, ok |
| 01:53.29 | Sazpaimon | now i can make-kpkg? |
| 01:53.45 | Azar | bobloblian: if you are in etch, use linux-image, if you are in sarge, use kernel-image, like abrotman told you |
| 01:53.46 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: ok, now follow these directions: |
| 01:53.50 | Gnea | !make-kpkg |
| 01:53.50 | dpkg | rumour has it, make-kpkg is the Debian Way (tm) to deal with kernel compiling - it makes a package for your Kustom Kernel (tm) which you can install/remove easily (tm) with the dpkg (pat. pend.) mechanisms. 'apt-get install kernel-package' then 'man make-kpkg' =), or see also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html or ask me about <kp mantra> |
| 01:54.00 | stoned | easier said than done |
| 01:54.07 | Azar | rahul: you were mia, was looking for you to show you |
| 01:54.09 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: once that's done, then.... |
| 01:54.09 | stoned | a lot of people can't follow directions |
| 01:54.13 | Gnea | !kp mantra |
| 01:54.13 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. Add MAKEFLAGS="HOSTCC=gcc-3.3 CC=gcc-3.3" before each command if you're building an older kernel |
| 01:54.15 | stoned | :/ |
| 01:54.17 | Azar | mister stoned!! |
| 01:54.18 | Gnea | stoned: it'll work |
| 01:54.31 | rahul | show me what? |
| 01:54.32 | stoned | Gnea: im sure it will...read my 2nd comment |
| 01:54.34 | jecc | !moo |
| 01:54.35 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 01:54.36 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: you can skip the make-kpkg clean |
| 01:54.39 | stoned | Azar: what up man |
| 01:54.47 | Azar | stoned: nice to see you man.. |
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| 01:55.10 | rahul | I think I caught something from someone :\ |
| 01:55.10 | stoned | same dude |
| 01:55.10 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: and don't worry about the MAKEFLAGS |
| 01:55.15 | stoned | nice to see me too :) |
| 01:55.25 | Azar | :P |
| 01:55.28 | rahul | sore throat |
| 01:55.40 | rahul | stoned: see, if you came out with me, you would have gotten sick, too |
| 01:55.48 | jecc | !seen Samb |
| 01:55.48 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'samb', jecc |
| 01:55.48 | Sazpaimon | Gnea, so do I just need to paste make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image |
| 01:56.03 | Azar | rahul: singing in the bathtub is not advised.. |
| 01:56.08 | rahul | heh |
| 01:56.12 | stoned | rahul: its not tha |
| 01:56.14 | rahul | no, I was singing at the front of the stage |
| 01:56.14 | derchris`work | I have a little question about the syslog.conf |
| 01:56.14 | jecc | !seen anordby |
| 01:56.14 | dpkg | anordby is currently on #debian, last said: 'scp/sftp has its problems, the sshd server doesn't have much configuratbility for someone who wants to run a file server.'. |
| 01:56.20 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: skip the clean one, and leave modules_image out of the main |
| 01:56.20 | abrotman | jecc: msg the bot please |
| 01:56.57 | jecc | ah there you are abrotman |
| 01:57.10 | jecc | been looking for you |
| 01:58.29 | nn-jecc | got a shipment of 10 pentiom 1, 486 etc |
| 01:58.35 | derchris`work | i have mail in my syslog, like mail.info, mail.warn ... for some the logfile is -/var/log/.... for other it is /var/log/.... |
| 01:58.35 | Sazpaimon | Gnea, ok but other than that it's ust a straight copy+paste |
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| 01:58.51 | nn-jecc | if shipping is cheep i could send them to linux users |
| 01:58.54 | vn | nn-jecc: are you gonna do a domino with them? |
| 01:58.56 | derchris`work | whats the difference |
| 01:59.07 | Sazpaimon | Gnea, nope |
| 01:59.09 | Sazpaimon | errored |
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| 01:59.18 | NefariousPrior | Anyone know if 'welcome2l' is supposed to look like crap or if I'm just doing something wrong? |
| 01:59.20 | nn-jecc | there cloging up the hall way |
| 01:59.20 | Sazpaimon | /bin/sh: line 1: x86_64-linux-gcc: command not found |
| 01:59.20 | abrotman | derchris`work: huh ? |
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| 01:59.28 | abrotman | derchris`work: oh .. i see |
| 01:59.29 | nn-jecc | need to get them to some one |
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| 01:59.36 | derchris`work | -/var/log, /var/log in syslog.conf |
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| 01:59.49 | abrotman | derchris`work: tried 'man syslog.conf' ? |
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| 01:59.54 | nn-jecc | i dont have time to put all the stuff they need in them |
| 02:00.00 | derchris`work | yeah, nothing in it |
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| 02:00.14 | nn-jecc | they would make nice sound servers |
| 02:00.18 | abrotman | derchris`work: try the "Regular File" section under ACTIONS |
| 02:00.21 | Sazpaimon | Gnea, what would x86_64-linux-gcc be? |
| 02:00.44 | nn-jecc | esound servers any one live near pa who would want one |
| 02:00.55 | ahlfors | I just accidentally asked aptitude to install everything. How do I make it forget that request? |
| 02:00.59 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: huh? |
| 02:01.02 | nn-jecc | near phl |
| 02:01.04 | abrotman | a 486 isn't a nice sound server |
| 02:01.07 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: can you pastebin the error? |
| 02:01.10 | ahlfors | (I didn't select "go", I just pressed "+") |
| 02:01.11 | Gnea | !pastebin |
| 02:01.11 | dpkg | i heard pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.ca/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 02:01.23 | nn-jecc | abrotman: yes i know |
| 02:01.25 | derchris`work | ohh, there it is |
| 02:01.32 | abrotman | derchris`work: find it ? |
| 02:01.46 | nn-jecc | but a alot of pentioums and p2 s |
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| 02:01.53 | nn-jecc | also |
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| 02:02.17 | nn-jecc | going to chuck 486's |
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| 02:02.23 | Sazpaimon | Gnea, I got a lot of warnings |
| 02:02.42 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: i'm about to run out the door, can you get that pasted? |
| 02:02.49 | Sazpaimon | yeah ok |
| 02:02.51 | nn-jecc | 1 problem though they use the big kb plug |
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| 02:03.00 | sacamano | hey, whats a P2P program I can use, and is it in the apt-get repositories? |
| 02:03.05 | derchris`work | ok, so the - means it is not written directly to the file ? |
| 02:03.16 | Gnea | sacamano: gift |
| 02:03.16 | nn-jecc | i pribley will rip all the stuff out |
| 02:03.19 | abrotman | derchris`work: it means the sync doesnt' happen every time |
| 02:03.24 | Sazpaimon | Gnea, http://pastebin.ca/474898 |
| 02:03.26 | nn-jecc | of old ones |
| 02:03.29 | acu | My /var/cache/apt/ is 3.7 GB - is this normal ? do I need it ? Can I just erase it ? |
| 02:03.35 | abrotman | nn-jecc: what does any of this have to do with debian ? |
| 02:03.39 | GuySoft | hello all, i really need help here!! my debian system won't change in the boot proosess from ro to rw. it seems to have the 'on error remount as ro" option, but when i run fsck , it says the system in fine. what should i do? |
| 02:03.42 | abrotman | acu: aptitude clean |
| 02:03.58 | nn-jecc | abrotman: debian is the onily thing i can install on them |
| 02:04.04 | abrotman | not likely |
| 02:04.07 | hermogenes | !info gnunet |
| 02:04.09 | dpkg | gnunet: (Secure, trust-based peer-to-peer framework), section net, is optional. Version: 0.7.0e-5 (sid), Packaged size: 777 kB, Installed size: 2684 kB |
| 02:04.21 | nn-jecc | abrotman: and i thought some one might like one |
| 02:04.44 | GuySoft | can anyone help me? this seems to be a BIG problem. and its not the first time i get it on a machine |
| 02:04.44 | Sazpaimon | Gnea, I have a x86_64-linux-gnu-gcc |
| 02:04.45 | nn-jecc | abrotman: what pc do you use |
| 02:04.52 | Sazpaimon | should I just symlink that? |
| 02:04.56 | abrotman | nn-jecc: i don't want one |
| 02:05.14 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: but do you have a 64-bit OS or a 64-bit CPU with a 32-bit OS? :) |
| 02:05.24 | nn-jecc | abrotman: what pc do you use: pentioum4 3 ; amd etc?? |
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| 02:05.32 | abrotman | nn-jecc: i don't want one |
| 02:05.40 | Sazpaimon | Gnea, 64 bit OS |
| 02:05.46 | nn-jecc | abrotman: i got that |
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| 02:05.58 | acu | abrotman: is any button for aptitude clean in synaptic package manager ? |
| 02:06.03 | Sazpaimon | u15254048:/usr/src/linux-source-2.6.18# uname -m |
| 02:06.03 | Sazpaimon | x86_64 |
| 02:06.11 | nn-jecc | abrotman: just what type of pc do you use |
| 02:06.14 | abrotman | acu: i don't use synaptic .. i would assume there's a clean in there somewhere |
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| 02:06.23 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: you may need to apt-get install libc6-dev |
| 02:06.36 | Sazpaimon | libc6-dev is already the newest version. |
| 02:06.40 | Gnea | hrm |
| 02:06.47 | Sazpaimon | like I said, I have ax86_64-linux-gnu-gcc |
| 02:06.48 | Gnea | that's weird |
| 02:06.55 | Sazpaimon | but not a x86_64-linux-gcc |
| 02:07.13 | acu | abrotman: it worked - man It was a lot of files - THANKS |
| 02:07.14 | abrotman | acu: under the preferences |
| 02:07.19 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: try symlinking it |
| 02:07.21 | Sazpaimon | ok |
| 02:07.29 | abrotman | acu: on the synaptic preferences .. there's an option to clean up |
| 02:07.38 | nn-jecc | irssi is cool i wish i knew it existed earler |
| 02:07.49 | xarquid | yeah, <3 irssi |
| 02:11.22 | Sazpaimon | Gnea, dpkg-architecture: warning: Unknown gcc system type x86_64-linux-gnu, falling back to default (native compilation) |
| 02:11.32 | Sazpaimon | /bin/sh: line 1: x86_64-linux-ld: command not found |
| 02:11.34 | Sazpaimon | ugh, christ |
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| 02:12.53 | Sazpaimon | whoops |
| 02:14.05 | Sazpaimon | Gnea, you still there? |
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| 02:14.55 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: yeah... |
| 02:14.59 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: hrm |
| 02:15.03 | Gnea | !amd64 |
| 02:15.03 | dpkg | it has been said that amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64. for flash on amd64, ask me about nspluginwrapper |
| 02:15.18 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: ask in that channel, they'll know better than I/we do |
| 02:15.19 | Sazpaimon | that doesnt seem to help |
| 02:15.24 | Sazpaimon | k |
| 02:15.40 | Sazpaimon | 23 people |
| 02:15.42 | Sazpaimon | seems dead |
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| 02:16.33 | cafuego | if you'r amd64 doesn't think it's x86_64-linux-gnu, something is very horribly broken. |
| 02:16.50 | Sazpaimon | it think's it;s x86_64-linux |
| 02:16.52 | stoned | also if you think you can fly, you should not leave your house. |
| 02:16.56 | Sazpaimon | just not the GNU |
| 02:17.09 | cafuego | Sazpaimon: Did you install non-debian stuff on or something? |
| 02:17.21 | Sazpaimon | no, this is a fresh server image |
| 02:17.29 | cafuego | etch? |
| 02:17.31 | abrotman | Sazpaimon: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. what does it say ? |
| 02:17.52 | Sazpaimon | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 02:18.01 | Sazpaimon | cafuego, im about to dist-upgrade |
| 02:18.08 | Sazpaimon | as soon as I ger my kernel installed |
| 02:18.14 | Sazpaimon | *get |
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| 02:19.15 | Sazpaimon | anyway |
| 02:19.27 | Sazpaimon | dpkg-architecture: warning: Unknown gcc system type x86_64-linux-gnu, falling back to default (native compilation) |
| 02:19.27 | Sazpaimon | dpkg-architecture: warning: Specified GNU system type x86_64-linux does not match gcc system type x86_64-linux-gnu. |
| 02:19.31 | Sazpaimon | those are the errors I get |
| 02:20.01 | Sazpaimon | what's the dea. |
| 02:20.03 | Sazpaimon | *deal |
| 02:21.23 | Sazpaimon | should I just make more symlinks for my files? |
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| 02:21.46 | Sazpaimon | you know, linking files with the x86_64-linux-gnu prefix to x86_64-linux |
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| 02:22.30 | Sazpaimon | that cant end up TOO horribly... right? |
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| 02:24.35 | Sazpaimon | fuck it |
| 02:24.41 | Sazpaimon | Im not gonna upgrade my kernel |
| 02:24.46 | Sazpaimon | this isnt worth it |
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| 02:31.06 | derchris`work | does anybody know if I can use fetchmail to get mails from a pop3 server into my imap server into a folder ? |
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| 02:31.23 | abrotman | probably would have to use fetchmail and procmail |
| 02:31.41 | cafuego | derchris`work: Yes, that works absolutely fine |
| 02:31.59 | derchris`work | but procmail is for local users, right ? |
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| 02:32.06 | Sazpaimon | alright, I fixed it |
| 02:32.12 | Sazpaimon | I had to apt-get install x86_64-linux-gnu |
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| 02:32.22 | cafuego | ftchamil will deliver to anything you tell it to |
| 02:32.23 | Sazpaimon | for some reason, that wasn't installed |
| 02:33.07 | derchris`work | so lets say fetchmail pop3 --> /mail/dir/bla |
| 02:34.00 | derchris`work | I use virtual users I have to say |
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| 02:39.45 | streuner | apt, test |
| 02:39.47 | apt | Test Failed! |
| 02:39.55 | dhtc | please join filebin.info irc at #test please so i can to test my irc |
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| 02:40.46 | abrotman | test |
| 02:40.53 | abrotman | test me |
| 02:40.59 | streuner | hehe :-) |
| 02:41.02 | abrotman | oh well |
| 02:41.11 | Sazpaimon | alright |
| 02:41.16 | abrotman | dhtc: go away |
| 02:41.19 | Sazpaimon | make-kpkg has finished |
| 02:41.27 | Sazpaimon | it made a deb |
| 02:41.31 | Sazpaimon | do I just dpkg -i it? |
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| 02:41.32 | streuner | dhtc: SPAM somebody else! |
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| 02:44.36 | cafuego | streuner: what you say!! |
| 02:45.43 | cafuego | 20 GOTO 10 |
| 02:45.53 | cafuego | !eye streuner |
| 02:46.27 | streuner | How's life downunter? |
| 02:46.40 | cafuego | Ja, it ist okay here |
| 02:47.18 | Sazpaimon | alright, time to reboot, fingers crossed |
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| 02:47.50 | abrotman | place your bets now! |
| 02:48.02 | dhtc | good night then abrotman and streuner ;; where do you jest i post the info to get more than 2 people on my irc????? |
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| 02:48.14 | xarquid | bet placed with dkpg but i think it just stole my dollar. |
| 02:48.33 | xarquid | dhtc: ? |
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| 02:48.52 | abrotman | dhtc: not here |
| 02:49.12 | dhtc | abrotman: then where |
| 02:49.20 | abrotman | i don't really care .. just not here |
| 02:49.35 | abrotman | try a social channel |
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| 02:49.43 | xarquid | dhtc: i would not advertise irc servers on irc servers at all :) just from what i've seen it's a nice way to get a k line/a kill |
| 02:49.48 | xarquid | or an easy way |
| 02:50.16 | dhtc | y your right |
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| 02:50.52 | Sazpaimon | u15254048:~# uname -a |
| 02:50.52 | Sazpaimon | Linux u15254048 2.6.18-u15254048 #1 SMP Mon May 7 02:38:25 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 02:50.52 | streuner | Why they can't help him in #debian-amd64? |
| 02:50.55 | Sazpaimon | :D |
| 02:50.56 | xarquid | dhtc: advertise it in like your e-mail signature or something, or message board signature -- i dunno. provide helpful information on irchelp.org and put it in your signature there. etc. |
| 02:50.59 | Sazpaimon | SUCESS |
| 02:51.03 | xarquid | but that's enough on that marketing subject |
| 02:51.05 | xarquid | yay, Saz |
| 02:51.13 | xarquid | damn it, dpkg still won't give me my dollars :> |
| 02:51.13 | Sazpaimon | NOW I can dist-upgrade |
| 02:51.30 | dhtc | just wondering where to advit and how to get it used |
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| 02:52.40 | dhtc | berirc is the onily free nice irc for win |
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| 02:53.43 | dhtc | ps i hate windows |
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| 02:54.11 | abrotman | PPS no one cares |
| 02:54.13 | abrotman | :) |
| 02:54.18 | dhtc | love debian |
| 02:55.03 | Guerin_ | long time fie dorrah |
| 02:55.26 | abrotman | Guerin: could you do that in a skirt ? |
| 02:55.35 | Guerin | abrotman: aye, laddie. |
| 02:56.32 | dhtc | is there any program that will dump irc mesages form a pisific channel to stdout or to file |
| 02:56.47 | \amethyst | dhtc: ii perhaps? |
| 02:56.51 | Guerin | dhtc: they call it `irssi' |
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| 02:57.29 | Sazpaimon | guys, in a production environment, whereby I give users SSH access, I want to keep challenge-response authentication enabled, right> |
| 02:58.40 | Guerin | Sazpaimon: not necessarily |
| 02:58.56 | Guerin | i mean |
| 02:59.01 | Guerin | it depends on the network |
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| 02:59.10 | dhtc | ircdump irc.freenode.net #debian | espeek irc-audio-mp3-listen1.wav somthing like this |
| 02:59.30 | Sazpaimon | Guerin, well at the very least I'll need to use PasswordAuthentication On right? |
| 02:59.31 | Guerin | some will be happy just having everyone's login name being jsmith and password johns |
| 02:59.39 | Guerin | Sazpaimon: well ...no. |
| 02:59.50 | Guerin | Sazpaimon: only if you want passwords, as opposed to keys or something |
| 02:59.51 | Sazpaimon | ah, well that's not what I want |
| 03:00.00 | Sazpaimon | I want unique passwords and unique usernames |
| 03:00.05 | \amethyst | Sazpaimon: How do you want people to log in? Passwords, S/Key, or public-key authentication |
| 03:00.14 | Sazpaimon | passwords i assume |
| 03:00.27 | Guerin | Sazpaimon: why do you assume? |
| 03:00.39 | Sazpaimon | well that's what I expect people to want to use |
| 03:00.44 | dhtc | ? |
| 03:00.46 | Sazpaimon | they enter their username, they enter their password |
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| 03:01.18 | Guerin | Sazpaimon: i'm just saying ... it might not be. It pays to know these things. |
| 03:02.14 | Sazpaimon | yeah well, im supposed to be the admin here |
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| 03:02.56 | Sazpaimon | so do I enable challenge-response authentication or not? |
| 03:03.08 | \amethyst | Sazpaimon: probably not |
| 03:03.19 | Guerin | Sazpaimon: use the default |
| 03:03.54 | Sazpaimon | ok |
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| 03:05.44 | piztek_ | can anyone here help me with anacron |
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| 03:09.21 | dondelelcaro | piztek_: best to just ask your question |
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| 03:11.53 | confused | I have Debian on /dev/sda1 and I just installed Vista to /dev/sdb1, I am using Knoppix for irssi, how to get Debian going again? |
| 03:12.25 | Kevin` | confused reinstall grub |
| 03:12.47 | streuner | confused: wiki.debian.org and search for grubrecovery or such |
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| 03:13.02 | confused | I have only text mode with Knoppix |
| 03:13.16 | confused | Is there an easy way to do it from Knoppix? |
| 03:13.22 | Kevin` | chroot /mnt/sda1 |
| 03:13.25 | Kevin` | grub-install /dev/sda |
| 03:13.31 | streuner | confused: use lynx or links |
| 03:13.51 | confused | WHat happens after grub-install? |
| 03:14.03 | Kevin` | you reboot and see if it's working |
| 03:14.11 | confused | But what about Vista? |
| 03:14.19 | confused | I still want that piece of crap |
| 03:14.19 | Kevin` | you should add an entry to boot vista |
| 03:14.46 | Kevin` | (to grub) |
| 03:14.47 | streuner | grub doesn't touch something, only the MBR |
| 03:15.37 | streuner | !mbr |
| 03:15.37 | dpkg | somebody said mbr was the Master Boot Record, the first bit of code loaded from the hard drive when a PC boots. to install a clean MBR (e.g. to get rid of lilo if it is in the mbr) from DOS one can run "fdisk /mbr"; from linux "install-mbr /dev/hda" |
| 03:15.57 | Kevin` | you don't want to do that ^ |
| 03:17.30 | confused | cannot run command /bin/sh no such file or command. |
| 03:17.38 | confused | after trying chroot |
| 03:17.55 | Kevin` | make sure it's mounted at the place you chrooted to |
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| 03:18.38 | confused | you mean chroot /dev/sda1 dont you |
| 03:19.22 | confused | Or do I mount /dev/sda1 first? |
| 03:19.38 | frankr | confused, do you not have it mounted? |
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| 03:20.01 | confused | No |
| 03:20.03 | frankr | confused, if not then: mkdir /mnt/sda1; mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1 |
| 03:20.04 | streuner | mkdir /debian; mount /dev/sda1 /debian; chroot /debian |
| 03:20.21 | frankr | haha both will work |
| 03:20.24 | confused | OK it is mounted on /mnt |
| 03:20.55 | confused | exec format error |
| 03:21.28 | confused | ls /mnt shows the right files |
| 03:21.44 | frankr | you mounted it in /mnt? |
| 03:21.45 | frankr | .. |
| 03:21.51 | xarquid | unmount it from /mnt |
| 03:21.53 | confused | right |
| 03:21.57 | confused | no good?? |
| 03:21.57 | xarquid | make another directory and mount it there. |
| 03:21.57 | frankr | umount /mnt |
| 03:22.00 | frankr | yeah |
| 03:22.05 | frankr | run streuner's cmd |
| 03:22.09 | frankr | thatll do it all for you |
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| 03:22.36 | xarquid | <streuner> mkdir /debian; mount /dev/sda1 /debian; chroot /debian |
| 03:22.40 | confused | will I lose this connection if I chroot? |
| 03:22.46 | OscarBK | Hello |
| 03:23.05 | \amethyst | confused: no, chroot only affects the shell that it starts |
| 03:23.16 | \amethyst | s/shell/program (by default a shell)/ |
| 03:24.00 | confused | I still get exec format error |
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| 03:24.14 | frankr | confused, when you do what |
| 03:24.22 | \amethyst | Are these the same architecture? |
| 03:24.24 | confused | chroot /debian |
| 03:24.25 | frankr | confused, are you in a 64 bit system? |
| 03:24.30 | confused | yes |
| 03:24.32 | frankr | .. |
| 03:24.36 | \amethyst | confused: what does file /debian/bin/sh /bin/sh say? |
| 03:24.38 | frankr | 64 bit knoppix? |
| 03:24.46 | confused | no |
| 03:24.50 | frankr | bahhhh |
| 03:24.51 | confused | I dont think so. Not sure |
| 03:25.01 | frankr | you need a 64 bit kernel to be able to run 64 bit execs |
| 03:25.01 | \amethyst | confused: so 32-bit knoppix and 64-bit debian? |
| 03:25.11 | xarquid | 64 bit kernel/smp kernel? debian? |
| 03:25.13 | confused | Not sure of that one |
| 03:25.18 | confused | 64 bit debian |
| 03:25.25 | piztek_ | can anyone help me with an anacron freezing at shutdown problem? |
| 03:25.40 | frankr | confused, your gonna have to find a 64 bit live cd - I'm pretty sure a debian 64bit netinst disc will work |
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| 03:25.59 | xoz | what is this 0xfffff000 in 255. lingo? |
| 03:26.02 | confused | crap |
| 03:26.10 | xoz | 255.255.128.0 |
| 03:26.12 | xoz | 255.255.128.0? |
| 03:26.13 | confused | Then I wont have this chat |
| 03:26.14 | gdsx | /etc/hosts.deny doesn't seem to work properly. what should I look at? (that is, I have 'ALL: x.y.z.w' in it and that IP can still successfully connect; specifically, to sshd) |
| 03:26.45 | \amethyst | xoz: ff ff f0 00 => 255 255 240 0 |
| 03:26.47 | streuner | confused: we told you what to do... |
| 03:27.06 | xoz | \amethyst: thanks |
| 03:27.15 | \amethyst | xoz: 255.255.128.0 would be ffff8000 |
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| 03:28.28 | cafuego | xoz: `ipcalc' is your friend. |
| 03:28.58 | xoz | cafuego: thanks. that will be very useful in the future |
| 03:29.06 | confused | So I need to read about fixing grub after installing it. |
| 03:29.07 | cafuego | ipcalc 0xfffff000 |
| 03:29.12 | cafuego | Network: 255.255.240.0/24 11111111.11111111.11110000. 00000000 |
| 03:29.34 | streuner | piztek_: pay attention, somebody already gave you an hint... |
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| 03:30.35 | piztek_ | streuner: where? |
| 03:30.53 | streuner | <dondelelcaro> piztek_: best to just ask your question |
| 03:30.57 | piztek_ | who, Jucato saying its not a kde problem |
| 03:31.12 | piztek_ | dondelelcaro: anacron freezes at shutdown sometimes |
| 03:31.17 | \amethyst | gdsx: is it allowed in hosts.allow ? |
| 03:31.32 | xoz | cafuego: now i rememember |
| 03:31.36 | gdsx | \amethyst: no; hosts.allow is empty (except for comments) |
| 03:31.54 | dondelelcaro | piztek_: uh... anacron doesn't run continuously, so it should not be running at shutdown |
| 03:32.07 | piztek_ | so what can I do? |
| 03:32.10 | piztek_ | what should I do |
| 03:32.13 | piztek_ | I don't know what to do. |
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| 03:32.18 | unix_infidel | anyone recommend a decent shared hosting place? |
| 03:32.21 | unix_infidel | besides dreamhost :P |
| 03:32.35 | cafuego | What'syerbudget? |
| 03:32.43 | unix_infidel | 10-20 a month. |
| 03:32.52 | piztek_ | dondelelcaro: what should I do to stop it from running? |
| 03:32.56 | cafuego | That would get you a basic Xen vps |
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| 03:33.07 | dondelelcaro | piztek_: what makes you think it's freezing? |
| 03:33.09 | piztek_ | can I uninstall it? |
| 03:33.14 | cafuego | unix_infidel: I pay $15/m for a 128M xen with 6GB disk |
| 03:33.14 | unix_infidel | cafuego: i dont mind shared hosting. |
| 03:33.29 | piztek_ | at shutdown it will get to "shutting down ana(cron)" and it stops |
| 03:33.35 | xarquid | vps is kind of shared but not shared hehe |
| 03:33.48 | piztek_ | and doesn't turn off |
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| 03:33.53 | piztek_ | can I uninstall it |
| 03:33.57 | cafuego | share the cpu, not the way i want my software set up :-) |
| 03:34.02 | unix_infidel | cafuego: i'd rather not do vps and do shared. |
| 03:34.15 | unix_infidel | i'd just like to know how many users are assigned per server. |
| 03:34.20 | unix_infidel | BEFOREHAND. |
| 03:34.39 | piztek_ | dondelelcaro: can I uninstall it? |
| 03:34.55 | streuner | sure |
| 03:35.08 | \amethyst | gdsx: is that user correctly prohibited from other services? and what version of openssh-server do you have? |
| 03:35.11 | streuner | but that's not necessary |
| 03:35.30 | piztek_ | then what will fix the problem? |
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| 03:36.39 | streuner | a shoutdown turns all daemons off before it goes (at least) down - What do you think is the problem then? |
| 03:36.45 | versaffer | i want to build a router that uses 1g of HD. im panning to use busybox any good howto? |
| 03:36.57 | versaffer | and using ram0 as my rootfs |
| 03:36.58 | esaym | whats the best way to get a crt monitor to turn off after xx minutes? |
| 03:37.14 | piztek_ | streuner: I really don't know |
| 03:37.19 | piztek_ | maybe the daemons? |
| 03:37.37 | esaym | Option "OffTime""15" in xorg.conf works for my lcd but not my crt :( |
| 03:37.41 | \amethyst | piztek_: does it hang when you run /etc/init.d/anacron stop from the command line? |
| 03:37.42 | streuner | nah, that's pretty like it should be |
| 03:37.48 | mmlj4 | versaffer: you're just doing routing? 1 GB is overkill |
| 03:37.54 | piztek_ | \amethyst: i just uninstalled anacron |
| 03:38.24 | gdsx | \amethyst: latest openssh-server in sid; I'm trying upgrading libwrap0 now |
| 03:38.48 | \amethyst | esaym: does your CRT support DPMS? |
| 03:38.55 | versaffer | mmlj4 i know :) so any good link on how to do this? |
| 03:39.00 | \amethyst | esaym: can other OSs turn it off? |
| 03:39.17 | esaym | yea |
| 03:39.23 | esaym | I think it supports dpms |
| 03:39.44 | \amethyst | esaym: you also need Option "DPMS" "true" in your Section "Monitor" |
| 03:39.48 | gdsx | \amethyst: turns out that upgrading libwrap0 did the trick |
| 03:39.49 | esaym | I have Option "DPMS" in the xorg.conf file and xorg.log isn't complaing |
| 03:40.05 | \amethyst | esaym: in the correct Monitor section? |
| 03:40.07 | esaym | oh it has to have "true" also? |
| 03:40.20 | \amethyst | oh, no, just Option "DPMS" should work |
| 03:40.45 | esaym | hmm |
| 03:41.00 | esaym | It worked fine in kubuntu with nothing in xorg.conf |
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| 03:42.04 | esaym | **) Option "dpms" |
| 03:42.05 | esaym | (**) NVIDIA(0): DPMS enabled |
| 03:42.11 | esaym | Looks like it is loading it...hmm |
| 03:43.07 | esaym | maybe I should try standby instead of "offtime? |
| 03:43.08 | \amethyst | esaym: What section is the Option "dpms" in? |
| 03:43.52 | esaym | \amethyst: monitor |
| 03:44.59 | esaym | oh looks like I might have to add dpms also to the device section |
| 03:45.10 | \amethyst | hm |
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| 03:46.25 | mmlj4 | versaffer: you can do a netinstall and probably have most of what you need |
| 03:46.56 | esaym | yea I will test if the new option fixes it. tomorrow. |
| 03:47.00 | esaym | good night alll |
| 03:47.42 | mmlj4 | but i have no idea what your goals or, nor your skill level |
| 03:48.00 | mmlj4 | if all you need is a router thingie, you might look into ipcop or somesuch |
| 03:48.12 | mmlj4 | plug-n-play, etc. |
| 03:48.51 | mmlj4 | more adventurous? soekris.com, read the docs |
| 03:50.10 | mmlj4 | or vyatta, that's even debian-based |
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| 03:55.36 | EruditeHermit | hey, does anyone know the packages I need to install to get spell check working in openoffice.org? |
| 03:56.50 | Supaplex | !tell EruditeHermit -about search |
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| 04:00.04 | EruditeHermit | Supaplex: I've installed myspell-en-us and openoffice.org-thesaurus-en-us |
| 04:00.12 | EruditeHermit | Supaplex: and its still not working, which is why I asked |
| 04:00.46 | cheshire314 | hi erudite! i think you need both a package and to tell oo to actually use it |
| 04:01.29 | cheshire314 | in order to do that you've got to enter oo configuration menu |
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| 04:02.00 | Supaplex | EruditeHermit: http://rafb.net/p/f7G8zx38.html that's what I have installed. |
| 04:02.20 | sander__ | hi there, Id like to install bootsplash, is it difficult / |
| 04:02.21 | sander__ | ? |
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| 04:02.41 | ida01 | how do you start BERYL ? |
| 04:03.03 | ida01 | is any other way to DRAG and DROP in Debian Linux ? |
| 04:03.09 | Guerin | ida01: why the fuck would you use beryl without a document telling you how to make it go? |
| 04:03.26 | Guerin | and what the fuck are you on about with drag and drop? |
| 04:03.30 | Guerin | jeebus |
| 04:03.41 | ida01 | Guerin: lol |
| 04:04.10 | ida01 | Guerin: We are in 2007 |
| 04:04.34 | xarquid | use beryl manager |
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| 04:04.47 | xarquid | and you can drag and drop in most places in any wm, specially gnome/kde. |
| 04:05.10 | xarquid | but yeah, definitely go read about compiz and/or beryl at the respective site |
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| 04:08.04 | sander__ | how do install bootsplash in new etch? |
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| 04:08.13 | sander__ | Linux matrix 2.6.18-4-486 #1 Wed Apr 18 09:13:09 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 04:08.13 | stevepastelan | hello friends |
| 04:08.17 | EruditeHermit | cheshire314: hey where is that menu? |
| 04:08.23 | stevepastelan | is it possible to grab just a single file from an svn directory? |
| 04:08.34 | stevepastelan | (instead of syncing the whole dir which may be hundreds of megabytes) |
| 04:08.34 | EruditeHermit | Supaplex: I have those installed too (apart from the hebrew dictionary) |
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| 04:09.07 | cheshire314 | @erudite: tools -> options -> language settings |
| 04:09.23 | ida01 | what kernel is lenny on ? |
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| 04:09.43 | Supaplex | ida01: linux. |
| 04:10.07 | sander__ | anybody can help me ? |
| 04:10.09 | Supaplex | ida01: there's a freebsd one to, but it's unoffical. |
| 04:10.15 | Supaplex | !tell sander__ -about ask |
| 04:10.38 | xarquid | svn export will export a single file |
| 04:11.03 | ida01 | Supaplex: thanks - I wanted to ask which linux version |
| 04:11.15 | Supaplex | sander__: reading back, apt-cache search bootsplash has a few hits. looks like it's a kernel patch. |
| 04:11.42 | cheshire314 | @sander what's the matter with apt-get install bootsplash ? |
| 04:11.44 | EruditeHermit | cheshire314: thank you |
| 04:11.48 | EruditeHermit | cheshire314: it worked! |
| 04:12.04 | EruditeHermit | Supaplex: thanks too |
| 04:12.06 | Supaplex | ida01: i'm using 2.6.18 - but you can "/msg dpkg search" (w/o quotes) for more ways to find out. |
| 04:12.10 | cheshire314 | @erudite: i'm happy |
| 04:12.23 | cheshire314 | @erudite: have a nice writing :-) |
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| 04:12.56 | ida01 | I need to do video editing and I do not know why I am not able to install Cinelerra on Etch - and it seem that there is no alternative for it - I just need to add some titles and play with sound and kino is not usefull at all in this aspect |
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| 04:13.07 | sander__ | Supaplex: thank you very much |
| 04:13.11 | sander__ | im beginner in debian |
| 04:13.18 | sander__ | sorry for my dummy questions |
| 04:13.31 | xarquid | But svn does not support "checking out" of single files, it only does directory structure...svn export will export a single file (i.e. get its contents but it won't be versioned) |
| 04:13.33 | cheshire314 | @ida01: ever thought to "lives"? |
| 04:14.15 | cheshire314 | @ida01: apt-cache show lives |
| 04:15.18 | Azar | I don't see a linux matrix or matrix package available on stable |
| 04:15.18 | ida01 | sandere__: the easiest way for a newbie is to use SYNAPTIC PACKAGE MANAGER - in GNOME is found at Desktop - Administration - this is a GUI which you can either pick or search for your application |
| 04:15.30 | dondelelcaro | xarquid: there's no way for svn versioning to work without a directory which contains the files. That said, you can still check out a single file from a single directory (with the single directory in it) |
| 04:16.05 | dondelelcaro | (it's just a two part operation; svn co -N foodir; cd foodir; svn update foofile; |
| 04:16.24 | asarch | why cow? |
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| 04:16.39 | dondelelcaro | Azar: matrix? |
| 04:16.43 | cheshire314 | @ida01: did you tried to install cinelerra from scratch or you got debian packages somewhere? |
| 04:16.47 | ida01 | cheshire314: I think I tried Lives but you cannot add titles to the movie (if I remeber right) |
| 04:17.00 | Azar | hi dondelelcaro , yes someone was asking for help and I checked the packages |
| 04:17.12 | Soccrmastr | hey guys I set up Debian but I dont think sound is working |
| 04:17.17 | Azar | ... sander__ but he left |
| 04:17.26 | cheshire314 | @ida01: i see... so what's the matter in installing cinelerra? |
| 04:17.29 | Soccrmastr | any way I can test, alsa-mixer isnt a command Im used to that from Gentoo.. |
| 04:17.33 | ida01 | cheshire314: I tried both - and obviously failed - I will try again this dais |
| 04:17.42 | asarch | Soccrmastr: /msg dpkg sound |
| 04:17.55 | asarch | Soccrmastr: It really works!!! |
| 04:18.18 | ida01 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:18.22 | Azar | Soccrmastr: added yourself to sound group? used alsamixer to umute volumes? is your alsa module in the /etc/modules ? |
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| 04:18.53 | hark | Soccrmastr: it's alsamixer (part of alsa-utils) |
| 04:18.55 | cheshire314 | @ida01: i know from-scratch-way is very painful |
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| 04:19.36 | Soccrmastr | alsa-utils is not in by default |
| 04:19.43 | cheshire314 | @ida01: are you using marillat or debian-multimedia repositories? |
| 04:19.53 | Azar | !alsa one-liner |
| 04:19.53 | dpkg | alsa one-liner is, like, apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils , or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to alsa, so "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and "echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules" to provide the oss compatibility layer |
| 04:19.59 | ida01 | cheshire314: once I make it work I am going to record the installation with ISTANBUL - yes I tried all |
| 04:20.29 | ida01 | cheshire314: thanks though- I have to live now - |
| 04:20.32 | Soccrmastr | thanks |
| 04:20.45 | cheshire314 | @ida01: bye see ya soon |
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| 04:28.12 | ida01 | what do I need to install to be able to DRAG and DROP ? - I know in few apps you can do it normally in KDE or GNOME - however there are few for which DRAG and DROP does not work |
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| 04:29.41 | Sweetandy | Every once in a while, but also after reboots, my Debian computer fails to recognize a link to an ethernet cord for 4-6 hours, after which PIFF it is recognized and it starts dhcp. Has anybody else experienced this problem? |
| 04:30.02 | \amethyst | xlotlu: you could bind it to both |
| 04:30.12 | muesli | good morning... is there a clean way of reverting an unstable system to the stable repository? |
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| 04:30.15 | Sweetandy | The lights on the router reflect this in addition to the card's LED's and the software response |
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| 04:31.29 | xlotlu | muesli: pin stable to 1001 in /etc/apt/preferences (man apt_preferences) and apt-get dist-upgrade... and oh well, hope for the best |
| 04:31.39 | colkhis | My /var/log/Xorg.0.log has "AIGLX: Screen is not DRi capable". How can I fix it? |
| 04:31.41 | Guerin | muesli: no. |
| 04:32.03 | Guerin | xlotlu: it won't work unless the `unstable' is older than the stable |
| 04:32.10 | Guerin | which is unlikely |
| 04:32.11 | Acu | Sweetandy: are you in a homenetwork connecting trough a router? |
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| 04:32.36 | Sweetandy | Acu: Two routers, my debian machine is at my second. |
| 04:32.53 | xlotlu | Guerin: won't work as in... ? the dist-upgrade will work and will start downlaoding packages. never know what mught break though |
| 04:33.07 | Acu | Sweetandy: do you use GNOME? |
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| 04:33.13 | xlotlu | s/downlaoding/downgrading/ |
| 04:33.17 | Sweetandy | Acu: I do use gnome |
| 04:33.33 | Guerin | xlotlu: won't be able to resolve deps and even if it does, probably won't install properly, and even if it does, will be horribly broken |
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| 04:34.48 | Acu | Sweetandy: if you go to Desktop - Administration - Networking then choose DNS you might look there how many IPs you have - you might need to delete all but one (specially if you have your ISP providing one for web access) |
| 04:34.51 | Sweetandy | Acu: I also know that it is Linux-specific - the Macs on my network and my brother's Windows do not chance upon this problem, but other installations on the same computer have |
| 04:34.55 | xlotlu | Guerin, muesli: that's why dist-downgrading "isn't supported". and if you don't know your way around you'll most certainly end up with a broken system. but well, i did it many-a-times |
| 04:34.59 | Azar | tarzeau |
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| 04:35.09 | muesli | xlotlu: heh, k :) |
| 04:35.26 | sander__ | id like some help to install a bootsplash from debian |
| 04:35.48 | Sweetandy | Acu: No, there's only one - the nearest gateway |
| 04:35.51 | sander__ | apt-get install bootsplash bootsplash-theme-debian linux-patch-bootsplash |
| 04:35.58 | Azar | sander__: if that package exist on debian repository do it yourself: aptitude install "packagename" |
| 04:36.01 | sander__ | I installed using this command |
| 04:36.17 | sander__ | now I dont know how to use |
| 04:36.56 | Azar | sander__: type man bootsplash |
| 04:37.39 | sander__ | no help to bootsplash installed |
| 04:37.52 | themill | My etch desktop has a big "X" screensaver that comes up over the top of my selected kde screensaver. What's causing the "X" screensaver to load? |
| 04:38.15 | versaffer | instead of using sd1 to build a diskless debian router i want to use hd1 any good tutorial on how to do it? |
| 04:38.50 | Azar | sander__: I have no idea what bootsplash is but if Id need to know I'd google for explanations and howtos |
| 04:38.52 | versaffer | using ram0 as its rootfs |
| 04:38.53 | Acu | Sweetandy: I do not know - however I would look also in NETWORK SETTINGS Connections and click on the network card you know is connecting - and see the settings - sometimes it helps to Deactivate and Activate ----- also it might be a physical contact on your cable or network card doesnot sit corectly |
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| 04:39.23 | xlotlu | hmm, the updatedb cron job hogging my computer 1 hour and a half later than scheduled O.o |
| 04:39.37 | sander__ | Azar: I know that Mr Azar, but the problem is that I didnt find informations explaining how to use it |
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| 04:39.58 | Sweetandy | Acu: Thanks for your help |
| 04:40.08 | Acu | Sweetandy: I would troubleshoot backward - connect a working machine to the same cable and see if it works - then go to the linux - |
| 04:40.22 | Acu | Sweetandy: welcome - hope you will solve it |
| 04:40.26 | Sweetandy | Acu: Yes - the Mac works with the same cable instantly |
| 04:40.42 | Sweetandy | Acu: It's strange - if I don't touch it, it's normally good for a few days |
| 04:41.42 | Acu | Sweetandy: sometimes the BIOS is f***up --- you might need to change some setings in BIOS - for sure choose other OS (no windows) there is some settings for PCI or something like this |
| 04:42.25 | Azar | sander__: I googled it for you duh: http://foo-bar.dk/7/12/ |
| 04:42.30 | Sweetandy | Acu: I'll check the BIOS next time I have the time to restart w/ no gaurunteed internet ; ) |
| 04:43.06 | Acu | Sweetandy: this to me it sounds that you have either some conflict or some hardware issue (sometimes the bios have to be changed) -- ohter solution is to swap the network card with another -and see --- good luck |
| 04:43.28 | Acu | this people here are geniuses - they might help you better - |
| 04:44.08 | sander__ | thank you very much |
| 04:44.09 | Sweetandy | Acu: thanks |
| 04:44.23 | Acu | Swetandy: welcome |
| 04:45.15 | Azar | versaffer: I guess reconfiguring X will give you the chance to disable screensaver.. |
| 04:45.56 | Azar | oh sorry, I ment themill |
| 04:46.35 | themill | Azar: it's never offered as a question through debconf that I've found. |
| 04:46.49 | themill | Azar: unless it's a dpms option |
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| 04:51.00 | Azar | themill: in my 3 year learning Debian, I never had a screensaver set up, nor seen one default or optional in the x setup. |
| 04:51.25 | Azar | It might be a kde "feature" hehe... so look in the menus , options, tools I never used kde either. |
| 04:52.21 | Azar | themill: if you don't find it in kde, also ask #kde about.... last thing try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg , it might be enabled there ( if xorg offers that option ) |
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| 04:55.17 | militant | alright, i've got a situation. my linksys does wpa and wep of course. my ds does wep as well, but not wpa. wifi-radar only does wpa... what wifi tool/manager/whatever will do wep 128-bit? |
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| 04:56.44 | themill | Azar: thanks for your thoughts... |
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| 04:59.27 | psyche_ | how i can install tahoma font on debian? |
| 04:59.44 | psyche_ | i found tahoma.ttf file but how i can install it? |
| 04:59.54 | Nemoder | psyche_: try putting it in ~/.fonts/ |
| 04:59.54 | Azar | is that a debian package? |
| 05:00.26 | Azar | isn't tahoma a ms font? |
| 05:00.36 | xarquid | it's a windows true type font (microsoft) |
| 05:00.58 | ryty | is anyone else having problems with nvidia modules and the newest xorg core? |
| 05:01.00 | Azar | so I would guess it is not found on debian repositories |
| 05:01.19 | ryty | (amd64, sid) |
| 05:01.20 | xarquid | one would hope not |
| 05:01.35 | Azar | I was about to say..... maybe sid users |
| 05:01.57 | ryty | well hmm. |
| 05:02.06 | xarquid | i use sli and i've been fine |
| 05:02.08 | psyche_ | yea i found a way... |
| 05:02.10 | xarquid | oh sid |
| 05:02.34 | ryty | yah, I like living life on the edge ;-) |
| 05:03.07 | ryty | or, close to the edge, I don't generally use CVS or anything |
| 05:03.45 | Azar | psyche_: apt-cache search ttf .... then aptitude install <package> <package>...etc whatever fonts you want |
| 05:04.00 | Azar | psyche_: add non-free contrib at the end of your sources |
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| 05:09.38 | psyche_ | Azar |
| 05:09.48 | psyche_ | i already found a way |
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| 05:17.42 | Azar | psyche_: cool |
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| 05:24.19 | xarquid | hey electricelf |
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| 05:24.31 | P_Kable|laptop | hi |
| 05:24.33 | P_Kable|laptop | What do you use (or what do you recommend) for generating Flash from |
| 05:24.33 | P_Kable|laptop | Quicktime videos? |
| 05:24.48 | xarquid | uhm |
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| 05:25.35 | mathieu2 | i need a tool that extracts attachments from emails from a maildir, i remember using a command but do not remember the name of this command |
| 05:26.33 | xarquid | p_kable|laptop: Sorry,I have no idea. I do use FLASH in a windows emulator to make Flash scripts/files. I don't know of anything to export quicktime to flash |
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| 05:26.53 | daya | how can i install debian through network |
| 05:27.55 | xarquid | daya: netinstall disk? |
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| 05:31.04 | xarquid | daya: do you want to install it without a disk, basically? |
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| 05:32.18 | xarquid | mathieu2: metamail and uudeview? procmail can do it automatically |
| 05:35.04 | mathieu2 | xammu: thanks |
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| 05:37.43 | maddash | !wpa |
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| 05:38.35 | deadcat | i am trying to rsync a dir with only files *.comment, what do i use? i dont want anything else. |
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| 05:39.21 | daya | xarquid, can i boot it from USB i mean can i write boot image in usb device and install from a network |
| 05:39.48 | xarquid | daya, yep. it is bootable on USB as long as the PC supports it |
| 05:40.27 | xoz | !usb install |
| 05:40.27 | dpkg | well, usb-install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian (sarge) from a USB stick (commonly referred to as a thumbdrive or usb key, among others) as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: http://d-i.pascal.at/ or http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian |
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| 05:40.42 | xoz | old factoid |
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| 05:42.36 | slanderingsleep | what's a good console to use? |
| 05:43.15 | muesli | xbox 360, wii or ps3 |
| 05:43.19 | muesli | ;-) |
| 05:45.25 | daya | xarquid, can i use businesscard iso, actually we have made a local repository in our server and want to download image through it, |
| 05:45.41 | xarquid | yep, sure can |
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| 05:48.00 | daya | xarquid, do i need to configure something in client, while booting throuh bussinesscard iso |
| 05:49.15 | xarquid | i do not know, it depends on the client |
| 05:49.23 | xarquid | just go try it, it will most likely work fine for your needs |
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| 05:49.42 | xarquid | you will have to obviously modify your sources.list if you have a local repository |
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| 05:51.16 | daya | xarquid, thank you ! ok, will try it myself |
| 05:51.32 | xarquid | good luck, should be easy |
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| 05:56.54 | archville | Hi. |
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| 06:02.28 | Vasistha | hum. so, maybe I just haven't looked hard enough, but ... how does the NetworkManager daemon get started? I can't find it anywhere in the init scripts, and I'd like to turn it off (and only run it occasionally when I need it) |
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| 06:03.04 | Guerin | Vasistha: i couldn't find this either |
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| 06:04.43 | orestyle8 | I am looking for a way to find what packages I installed onto my debian system. I have checked the aptitude logs but I thought there was a log that showed each package that was specifically installed... |
| 06:05.17 | Vasistha | Guerin: ohh! Maybe dbus is doing it. I'm just noticing from a dpkg -c on the package that it puts stuff in the dbus dir |
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| 06:05.43 | Guerin | orestyle8: dpkg -l |
| 06:05.51 | Vasistha | orestyle8: /var/log/dpkg.log maybe |
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| 06:07.50 | orestyle8 | thanks.... |
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| 06:10.52 | netman2 | is debian becoming more popular? |
| 06:10.53 | militant | ok why can't i figure out how to friggin use wep. wifi-radar doesn't have it as an option, and i dunno what else to use? |
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| 06:11.22 | Vasistha | netman2: maybe. does it matter? |
| 06:11.28 | dondelelcaro | netman2: possibly, but it's not like we haven't been popular before. |
| 06:12.02 | Vasistha | militant: well, there's networkmanager; I first got wep working with plain old /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:12.16 | jnguy | netman2: if you consider ubuntu debian =) |
| 06:12.23 | netman2 | I was having trouble getting in this channel. It said it was full. |
| 06:12.33 | jnguy | naw. Freenode is funky. |
| 06:12.53 | jnguy | netsplits and such, too many people joining at the same time. |
| 06:12.53 | dondelelcaro | oh, it probably had just hit the +l limiter, because a lot of people had joined |
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| 06:14.11 | bolt | I'm having a problem with ntpd. My config file is the same as on my other machines, but on this box, when I run ntpq, my query times out. I tried restarting ntpd, and it does show up as running, but I can't query it and it doesn't set the time. Any ideas? |
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| 06:16.21 | Vasistha | bolt: firewall? |
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| 06:25.40 | GhostlyDeath_ | is ftp.us.debian.org down? |
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| 06:26.52 | hark | try another mirror? |
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| 06:28.28 | Vasistha | GhostlyDeath_: I think that's a rotation server ... sends me alternatively to kernel.org and msu.edu ... maybe it sent you to a server that's down? |
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| 06:31.46 | bashologist | How can I play wma audio? I've installed w32codecs and some other packages, but it won't work. |
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| 06:32.03 | xlotlu | how can i find the scancode of a key in the format fed to xmodmap? |
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| 06:32.57 | xlotlu | bashologist: tried it with vlc? also, afaik there's no support for the latest format of wma, for whatever that is |
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| 06:35.19 | bashologist | xlotlu: Just tried it and it won't work either. |
| 06:35.26 | zophy | what do i do when i can't run an X program because i get an error about there being too many open X connections ? |
| 06:35.39 | zophy | i don't want to have to restart X |
| 06:36.20 | zophy | i get this error when i try to run totem or mplayer |
| 06:36.56 | zophy | xterm won't start either |
| 06:37.00 | zophy | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 06:37.00 | zophy | Xlib: Maximum number of clients reached |
| 06:37.00 | zophy | xterm Xt error: Can't open display: :0.0 |
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| 06:37.41 | zophy | disconnect something you tard X |
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| 06:44.17 | zophy | 'oh, just kill mozilla |
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| 06:53.19 | xjkx | what debian software i use to read comentaries inside the image? such as "created by gimp" |
| 06:53.46 | Guerin | xjkx: you mean exif data? |
| 06:53.53 | formorer | xjkx: exiftool |
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| 06:55.13 | xjkx | i think it has no linux version http://www.sno.phy.queensu.ca/~phil/exiftool/ |
| 06:55.33 | formorer | libimage-exiftool-perl - Library and program to read and write meta information in multimedia files |
| 06:55.46 | formorer | there is also an exiftool binary inside |
| 06:56.07 | graytron | xjkx: metacam |
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| 06:56.40 | scx | http://www.sno.phy.queensu.ca/~phil/exiftool/Image-ExifTool-6.88.tar.gz |
| 06:57.00 | formorer | scx: why not using the debian package? |
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| 06:57.14 | scx | oops, typed but forgot to hit enter |
| 06:57.18 | Guerin | formorer: not 1337 3n0u6h |
| 06:57.29 | scx | ie: I said nothing |
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| 06:58.59 | tanuki | No matter what I put in the revision argument, it complains |
| 06:59.14 | tanuki | "The changelog says we are creating 2.6.8-20070507, but I thought the version is 2.6.8" |
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| 07:02.05 | Guerin | tanuki: ask #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org |
| 07:02.18 | Guerin | you probably have to do some debhelper mojo |
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| 07:04.30 | scx | got my mojo working.. |
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| 07:06.24 | militant | Vasistha: yep. got it, you were right. |
| 07:07.08 | militant | ok, now new issue. i have my router set the same way (except for the ports of course) for both http and ssh. ssh works, but apache doesn't respond to non-lan clients. i don't think it's the router.. |
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| 07:08.10 | scx | can't you tel Apache what address range to listen to ? |
| 07:08.10 | militant | i say i don't think it's the router because even when dmz'd, apache doesn't respond outside the lan |
| 07:10.18 | militant | i'm not seeing a place for that |
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| 07:13.54 | scx | it's somewhere... |
| 07:14.04 | militant | i've searched |
| 07:14.12 | scx | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:14.14 | scx | here |
| 07:14.16 | militant | oh |
| 07:14.17 | militant | HEH |
| 07:14.43 | ryty | does anyone know of a "good" iPod control app for debian amd64, sid |
| 07:14.44 | ryty | ? |
| 07:15.06 | militant | i don't have any such file. |
| 07:15.28 | scx | militant: locate liste.conf | less |
| 07:15.37 | scx | err: listen.conf | less |
| 07:15.53 | scx | If you have Apache 2.x |
| 07:16.02 | scx | Dunno about 1.x |
| 07:16.29 | militant | there is no such listen.conf file |
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| 07:17.29 | scx | ls /etc/init.d/apa* |
| 07:17.38 | Alarm | hello, is there any application to be able to mount mdf/mds files ? |
| 07:17.56 | tarzeau | Alarm: what says file *.mdf *.mds ? |
| 07:18.10 | Gokee2 | Now I have 105 .lgo files and no way to open them :( |
| 07:18.22 | tarzeau | Gokee2: what says file *.lgo ? |
| 07:18.23 | Alarm | tarzeau, some kind of iso files |
| 07:18.57 | Gokee2 | tarzeau, data |
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| 07:19.07 | Gokee2 | Alarm, no |
| 07:19.12 | Gokee2 | Its a logo |
| 07:19.13 | tarzeau | Gokee2: what are lgo files good for? |
| 07:19.17 | tarzeau | Gokee2: for what? |
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| 07:19.36 | Gokee2 | To engrave... They are from a old dos based engraving system |
| 07:19.38 | Alarm | ohh , anyway, how can i open this |
| 07:19.40 | scx | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:19.56 | scx | no, maybe not |
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| 07:19.59 | tarzeau | Gokee2: ha ha ha, go the source or documentation of the engraving system? |
| 07:20.01 | Alarm | mount image.mdf /mnt/image -o loop=/dev/loop0 |
| 07:20.03 | Alarm | would that do ? |
| 07:20.05 | Gokee2 | H-Square MEG .lgo file |
| 07:20.05 | tarzeau | Gokee2: run it in dosbox? |
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| 07:20.11 | tarzeau | Alarm: probably not |
| 07:20.18 | Gokee2 | tarzeau, dosbox? |
| 07:20.27 | tarzeau | Gokee2: apt-cache show dosbox |
| 07:20.32 | Gokee2 | I can`t get them to open in windows vista or linux |
| 07:20.46 | militant | scx: /etc/init.d/apache2 doesn't have anything useful. you're losing me? |
| 07:20.56 | unix_infidel | anyone here live in the greater london / essex area? |
| 07:20.58 | Alarm | so, finally how could i open them ?:) |
| 07:21.00 | Kevin` | http://mdf2iso.berlios.de/ |
| 07:21.06 | Gokee2 | I wonder if windows could run the old dos based program... |
| 07:21.20 | Supaplex | Gokee2: dosemu |
| 07:21.20 | tarzeau | Gokee2: try it |
| 07:21.23 | scx | militant: hehe... I told you to do that just to check the Apache version you have, no to check the file |
| 07:21.27 | tarzeau | Supaplex: dosbox is much better imho |
| 07:21.41 | Supaplex | tarzeau: oh yeah? cool. |
| 07:21.42 | militant | oh. HEH. yeah of course it's apache2 |
| 07:21.53 | Gokee2 | The problem is... I don`t have the program |
| 07:21.54 | Gokee2 | just the logos |
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| 07:22.15 | tarzeau | Kevin`: debian has the "iat" tool |
| 07:22.18 | unix_infidel | i'm considering moving there for a job and wanted to know the cost of living adjustment from suburbs in the US to a city in UK. |
| 07:22.20 | scx | militant: Well, I just know Apache can be configured such way but I am not in Debian right now and can't be 100% about the location |
| 07:22.24 | tarzeau | Gokee2: try googling for it? |
| 07:22.28 | Kevin` | tarzeau so.. use it :) |
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| 07:22.32 | scx | militant: maybe tomorrow :_ |
| 07:22.36 | militant | hrm |
| 07:22.41 | tarzeau | Kevin`: Alarm wanted it :) |
| 07:22.43 | Gokee2 | tarzeau, I did |
| 07:22.43 | scx | Google has to know |
| 07:22.57 | tarzeau | scx: yeah and if not, contact ceo@google.com |
| 07:23.08 | Gokee2 | Google thinks it knows of a few programs to open it but none of them worked |
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| 07:23.56 | Alarm | strange, the only instruction of how to mount mdf files is this: mount imagen.mdf /path/mount_directory -o loop=/dev/loop0 |
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| 07:23.59 | Alarm | in several pages |
| 07:24.15 | Sazpaimon | alright, I'm trying to do a complete server backup using my directadmin installation from one server to another, but I dont have enough room to save my backup on the server I'm backing up on, so I need to back up immediately to the server I'm backing up TO |
| 07:24.20 | scx | Alarm: Try it then |
| 07:24.21 | Sazpaimon | whoo, that was a mouthfull |
| 07:24.33 | Sazpaimon | anyone have any suggestions on how I'd go about this? |
| 07:24.40 | Supaplex | Sazpaimon: rsync? |
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| 07:24.59 | scx | Sazpaimon: Live cd + dd ? |
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| 07:25.05 | Sazpaimon | i considered rsync, but I dont know if that'd backup my directadmin data |
| 07:25.13 | Sazpaimon | and directadmin has its own backup and restore tool |
| 07:25.15 | Supaplex | wtf is directadmin? |
| 07:25.22 | Sazpaimon | a hosting panel |
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| 07:25.30 | Supaplex | it should. |
| 07:25.33 | Sazpaimon | like cpanel, only less intrusive and lame |
| 07:25.39 | Kevin` | why would you expect it not to? |
| 07:25.43 | Kevin` | is directadmin free? |
| 07:25.50 | Sazpaimon | $30 a month |
| 07:25.55 | scx | ouch |
| 07:25.55 | Kevin` | month? :o |
| 07:26.07 | Kevin` | i'll stick with DSL kthx :) |
| 07:26.23 | Sazpaimon | or $300 for a lifetime license |
| 07:26.36 | Sazpaimon | or you can do quarterly or yearly |
| 07:27.13 | Sazpaimon | ANYWAY |
| 07:27.21 | Kevin` | well "not cpanel" is a big plus, but I think ssh is all we really need :) |
| 07:27.24 | Supaplex | !gag KermitTheFragger |
| 07:27.39 | Dame | Is it safe to use Ubuntus repositories in Debian? |
| 07:27.40 | Supaplex | mmm m m mmmm MMM MMM mmm MMMMMmmm mmm MM |
| 07:27.40 | Alarm | mount imagen.mdf /path/mount_directory -o loop=/dev/loop0 worked without any problem finally |
| 07:27.41 | Sazpaimon | Kevin`, i wouldnt trust any of my hostees with just ssh |
| 07:27.54 | KermitTheFragger | rofl |
| 07:28.12 | scx | Sazpaimon: just ssh !? |
| 07:28.18 | Supaplex | Dame: bad idea. |
| 07:28.21 | Kevin` | well, give them what they want to pay for I suppose :) |
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| 07:28.41 | Sazpaimon | Directadmin IS pretty affordable for what you get |
| 07:28.48 | Dame | Supaplex, ok |
| 07:28.52 | Sazpaimon | i mean it gives all the luxuries of cpanel but it doesnt repartition your entire system |
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| 07:29.42 | Sazpaimon | anyway like I said, i dont have any room to fit a backup on the server im backing up on, so I'll need some way to back up directly to the remote server |
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| 07:30.20 | Kevin` | Sazpaimon rsync is ok for that |
| 07:30.31 | Sazpaimon | what about my directadmin data? |
| 07:30.33 | Sazpaimon | hm |
| 07:30.41 | Kevin` | your directadmin data is in the filesystem, no? |
| 07:30.54 | Sazpaimon | Im not entirely sure if it uses that or in sql |
| 07:31.01 | Kevin` | sql is in the filesystem too |
| 07:31.06 | Sazpaimon | well if it was in sql it'd still be in the filesystem |
| 07:31.09 | Sazpaimon | yeah |
| 07:31.26 | Supaplex | Sazpaimon: I use rsync to backup a few remote systems. |
| 07:31.52 | Sazpaimon | got a tutorial on rsync, or is it pretty retarded easy |
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| 07:32.08 | Kevin` | the manpage does a good enough job |
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| 07:32.13 | Kevin` | your just copying files.. |
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| 07:32.24 | Sazpaimon | ah |
| 07:32.25 | scx | Amanda could do it also I think |
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| 07:35.10 | dutchfish | hi, how do i report a critical bug in one of the kernel drivers for the curent stable release? Do i send it to: submit@bugs.debian.org ? |
| 07:35.26 | Supaplex | !reportbug |
| 07:35.26 | dpkg | reportbug is probably used to submit bugs to the Debian BTS. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ |
| 07:35.36 | Sazpaimon | here's a script i found on the directadmin forums |
| 07:35.36 | Sazpaimon | http://pastebin.ca/475118 |
| 07:35.42 | Sazpaimon | think I could use that to my advantage? |
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| 07:36.04 | dutchfish | Supaplex, i read that but it is not clear to me in relation to kernel bugs |
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| 07:37.51 | dutchfish | Supaplex, shouldnt it be send to to the kernel maintaners? |
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| 07:39.40 | Supaplex | dutchfish: bts takes care of upstream bugs. someone said flag the bts as upstream if you already filed itupstream. (but I'm not sure how, or really what that means) |
| 07:40.14 | dutchfish | Supaplex, thats my question |
| 07:40.42 | DawnLight | i've detected the sensors but havn't configured the threashoulds yet. how do i stop this: Message from syslogd@localhost at Mon May 7 07:38:57 2007 ... |
| 07:40.42 | DawnLight | localhost kernel: CPU0: Running in modulated clock mode |
| 07:41.06 | Supaplex | DawnLight: setterm -msglevel 1 |
| 07:41.59 | DawnLight | and whats the default msglevel? |
| 07:42.15 | Supaplex | no idea |
| 07:42.27 | Supaplex | it just controls if the terminal receives syslog messages. |
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| 07:43.03 | _BassFool | does anyone know of a dvd burning channel for debian? |
| 07:43.08 | DawnLight | i mean, how do i bring the messages back |
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| 07:43.32 | Supaplex | DawnLight: man setterm. my guess is level 8. |
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| 07:44.28 | DawnLight | Supaplex, it didn't stop the messages |
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| 07:44.44 | _BassFool | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:45.00 | DawnLight | maybe i'll try "shut -up" |
| 07:45.34 | DawnLight | _BassFool i doubt it |
| 07:46.02 | _BassFool | ok, thanks... I keep snooping around then..:) |
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| 07:46.33 | dutchfish | _BassFool, whats your q? |
| 07:47.14 | _BassFool | well,I have burned a dvd mad with some tovid burned it with nero linux and it played on my dvd so I know it can be done. |
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| 07:47.28 | Patrick2 | !paster |
| 07:47.28 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 07:47.35 | Supaplex | DawnLight: well, try -msglevel 0, but that didn't work for me last time. Depending on the loglevel, you'll can't block it. Try modifying syslog.conf |
| 07:47.40 | _BassFool | I have a dvd now that a friend burned and it plays on my computer but not my dvd player |
| 07:47.50 | raf256 | how to record input sound directly into .ogg? |
| 07:48.00 | dutchfish | _BassFool, regio free? |
| 07:48.00 | maddash | audacity. |
| 07:48.06 | _BassFool | so, I am trying to copy it to my machine and re-burn it and get it to play on my dvd player |
| 07:48.26 | _BassFool | wasted 5 disk already with no luck. |
| 07:48.36 | _BassFool | _dutchfish regio? |
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| 07:49.09 | dutchfish | _BassFool, if the regio code doesnt match your dvd player you only can play it on your computer |
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| 07:49.23 | DawnLight | Supaplex: i can't modify shit with these messages keeping interrupting me |
| 07:49.32 | _BassFool | ok now thats good info, cause I have no idea what regio code is.. |
| 07:49.39 | Supaplex | DawnLight: stop syslog. |
| 07:49.39 | _BassFool | oh you mean region code? |
| 07:50.59 | dutchfish | _BassFool, http://hometheater.about.com/cs/dvdlaserdisc/a/aaregioncodesa.htm |
| 07:51.02 | _BassFool | _dutchfish is there a way to test? |
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| 07:52.08 | ma3x | anyone here? |
| 07:52.15 | Supaplex | ma3x: no, not even us |
| 07:52.26 | ma3x | hm |
| 07:52.38 | ma3x | I left the memtest running overnight and it detected two errors |
| 07:52.43 | ma3x | it went 20 passes |
| 07:52.48 | Supaplex | _BassFool: some dvd players can change the region code, but only a few times before they stay locked to that region. |
| 07:52.55 | dutchfish | _BassFool, looking it up, hold on |
| 07:52.56 | ma3x | it detected on the 14 and 16th |
| 07:53.12 | Kevin` | some can change it an infinite number of times, or be modified to be regionless |
| 07:53.13 | Supaplex | ma3x: did you write the offsets down? is the memory on warranty? |
| 07:53.43 | ma3x | Supaplex, yes I wrote down the fields good bad and error bits |
| 07:53.45 | Supaplex | _BassFool: like Kevin` says to. but that all depends on your player. |
| 07:54.19 | ma3x | Supaplex, it says on the sticker "warranty void if removed" - does that mean life warranty |
| 07:54.28 | _BassFool | so, if my friend burned it here in the US, shouldn't it be REGION 1 for us? |
| 07:54.35 | Supaplex | ma3x: linux has a badmem patch to prevent those areas from being used. provided the kernel isn't using it on boot :) - no, ask the retailer you bought it from. |
| 07:54.38 | Kevin` | ma3x it means the sticker :) |
| 07:54.42 | Kevin` | not the stick |
| 07:55.02 | ma3x | Supaplex, I bought it from another country I can't ask the retailer |
| 07:55.24 | Supaplex | ahh, well use the badmem kernel patch then. |
| 07:55.26 | Supaplex | anyway, I'm going to run a few sleep() calls from myself. |
| 07:55.27 | ma3x | Kevin`, I said the sticker |
| 07:55.29 | ma3x | isn't that right? |
| 07:55.33 | Supaplex | s/from/for/ |
| 07:55.44 | Kevin` | yes.. why would you want to remove the sticker anyway? |
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| 07:55.50 | ma3x | Kevin`, I dont |
| 07:56.00 | ma3x | but is there any use if I replace the memory |
| 07:56.02 | Kevin` | *shrug* |
| 07:56.06 | ma3x | I mean is it worth it? |
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| 07:56.16 | Kevin` | worth replacing bad memory? |
| 07:56.19 | Supaplex | [ bang head here ] |
| 07:56.32 | Kevin` | it is indeed worth replacing, if you can |
| 07:56.38 | ma3x | maybe the new one that they'll give me will get bad soon too |
| 07:56.50 | ma3x | I mean how did this one get bad? |
| 07:56.58 | Kevin` | could be many things |
| 07:57.00 | Supaplex | maybe the sky will fall and we'll really die this time. |
| 07:57.04 | JosefAssad | nature vs. nurture |
| 07:57.04 | ma3x | like what Kevin` ? |
| 07:57.17 | Kevin` | voltage spike, manufacturing defect |
| 07:57.19 | Kevin` | whatever. |
| 07:58.00 | ma3x | kingston has a warranty centre in the UK |
| 07:58.31 | ma3x | if I mail it from france, it will cost me about €20 |
| 07:58.32 | Supaplex | ma3x: try kingston's website, look for 'rma' |
| 07:58.36 | Supaplex | !rma |
| 07:58.36 | dpkg | i heard rma is Return Materials Authorisation, or the process you go through when you want to return a dead part to a manufacturer in exchange for a new one |
| 07:58.41 | ma3x | Supaplex, that's what I'm telling you right now |
| 07:58.51 | ma3x | the rma centre is in the UK for whole europe |
| 07:59.28 | ma3x | anyway if I were to send it, should I write down for them the error bits ? |
| 07:59.33 | _BassFool | ok, so if I take the burned dvd, pull off the .vob file and say convert it to some other format, come back to .vob and burn to a dvd will that chnge the region? |
| 07:59.44 | Supaplex | ma3x: how much is it to mail a padded envelope? is 20 euros a lot? |
| 07:59.48 | Kevin` | ma3x doubt they would expect normal people to do that |
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| 07:59.59 | dutchfish | _BassFool, i dont think now that it is regio related, because you can play it on the computer (http://forum.rpc1.org/portal.php), is your dvd player -RW or +RW? |
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| 08:00.12 | Kevin` | ma3x probably they will have you run a test before you send it, with their own program, or just take you on your word |
| 08:00.17 | Supaplex | ma3x: depending on their rma process, they might not want the hardware back. :) |
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| 08:00.40 | Kevin` | which parts are actually bad doesn't really matter as they will just replace the stick |
| 08:00.40 | ma3x | Supaplex, they don't allow in france to mail RAM in an envelope used for documents. It must be special envelope, which costs minimum €12 which is about $20 |
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| 08:00.50 | _BassFool | _dutchfish I have burned and play a dvd+r on my dvd player before so I think the dvd burner is ok |
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| 08:01.17 | _BassFool | I created one with third party tools, tovid and mkisofs etc... |
| 08:01.29 | dutchfish | _BassFool, what happens when you insert the dvd in the player, can it read root? |
| 08:01.35 | ma3x | Supaplex, can I launch some application that uses a lot of ram and see if it crashes? |
| 08:01.35 | Supaplex | ma3x: how stinky. I could mail it there from the states for $3 or so. :) |
| 08:01.58 | Kevin` | ma3x that is a very imprecise method of testing |
| 08:02.03 | Supaplex | ma3x: do what ever you want. isn't that why you ran memtest? |
| 08:02.05 | dutchfish | _BassFool, or you get message like no dvd inserted |
| 08:02.06 | ma3x | Kevin`, why? |
| 08:02.13 | Kevin` | because it might not crash |
| 08:02.21 | ma3x | hm, I see |
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| 08:02.33 | Kevin` | the ram used would probably be in a data area anyway, not code |
| 08:02.39 | Kevin` | it's just as likely for the system to randomly crash |
| 08:02.42 | _BassFool | _dutchfish the one my friend burned it wouldn't read and I didn't get the usual intro screen that says reading disk etc... |
| 08:02.44 | ma3x | on the left side there was some field and 0.00 MBytes was there |
| 08:02.48 | ma3x | what is that exactly? |
| 08:02.50 | Supaplex | it might crash because of an application fault not related to hardware. I've filed quite a few of those myself. (and yes, memtest runs w/o a flaw on my hardwarE) |
| 08:03.22 | _BassFool | _dutchfish the ones that I have burned so far will read but stop and the lcd screen says title 1, almost as if it reads something but is missing something also |
| 08:03.30 | Supaplex | hummm 2am. nite ye'all. |
| 08:03.39 | ma3x | Supaplex, when did you run it last time/ |
| 08:03.53 | dutchfish | _BassFool, at what speed you burn? |
| 08:03.58 | _BassFool | Auto.. |
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| 08:04.07 | _BassFool | I think it was like 16x... |
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| 08:04.40 | dutchfish | _BassFool, take a lower speed, it solved many problems for me like burning at 8x for a 16x dvd |
| 08:05.08 | mike1o | I often get this "pango_cairo" font problem (etch unstable amd64) |
| 08:05.12 | _BassFool | hmm, should I include the joliet or rockridge or udp extensions? |
| 08:05.45 | dutchfish | _BassFool, the auto tool sometimes find higher speeds then the dvd can handle |
| 08:06.00 | Kevin` | _BassFool are you using the -dvd-video option to mkisofs? |
| 08:06.05 | Kevin` | also use -udf |
| 08:06.15 | _BassFool | _dutchfish ok, let me find my mkisofs options.. |
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| 08:06.48 | Kevin` | if you don't use -dvd-video you will generate an image that only some players will play, and that doesn't follow standards |
| 08:06.58 | dutchfish | _BassFool, tip: before you burn test your iso copy with vlc |
| 08:07.10 | dutchfish | _BassFool, vlc can play iso directly |
| 08:07.33 | _BassFool | ok , so you suggest I create .iso first then burn to dvd? |
| 08:07.46 | Kevin` | if you have the space, yes |
| 08:07.58 | dutchfish | _BassFool, yup, to save you alot of dvd disks |
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| 08:08.08 | _BassFool | _dutchfish here are my mkisofs options mkisofs -dvd-video -o dvd.iso 300/ |
| 08:08.49 | Kevin` | I usually also use -udf |
| 08:09.22 | _BassFool | _dutchfish and I have tested all of the .iso and AUDIO_TS VIDEO_TS directorys with mplayer |
| 08:09.39 | _BassFool | _kevin you talking to me? |
| 08:10.03 | Kevin` | yes |
| 08:11.21 | dutchfish | _BassFool, follow Kevin about this, my knowledge of mkisofs is minimal |
| 08:11.22 | _BassFool | _Kevin udp with mkisofs? |
| 08:11.51 | Kevin` | udf.. |
| 08:11.54 | Kevin` | not udp |
| 08:11.59 | Kevin` | udp is a network protocol |
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| 08:12.08 | _BassFool | _Kevin sorry do you have a sample command line |
| 08:12.15 | Kevin` | no |
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| 08:12.51 | ma3x | does hotmail have imap? |
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| 08:13.11 | _BassFool | _Kevin so, put in my original burned dvd by my friend and somehow get mkisofs to create an .iso from it right, then burn to a fresh dvd with growisofs or something or k3b? |
| 08:13.20 | ma3x | or pop3 |
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| 08:14.12 | dutchfish | _BassFool, http://yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialCDBurn.html |
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| 08:15.34 | _BassFool | _dutchfish going now |
| 08:18.21 | ustunozgur | No, hotmail doesn't. |
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| 08:19.00 | liable | doent what? |
| 08:19.06 | dutchfish | _BassFool, mkisofs -dvd-video -oCourtneyDVD.iso -graft-points "/AUDIO_TS=/media/cdrecorder/AUDIO_TS" "/VIDEO_TS=/media/cdrecorder/VIDEO_TS" |
| 08:19.32 | ustunozgur | doesn't have pop3 or imap. |
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| 08:21.46 | dutchfish | xingu, thx for all the tips yesterday, knight-rider is gone, and speed is now ok |
| 08:22.06 | xingu | dutchfish: :) |
| 08:22.24 | dutchfish | xingu, noise has been increased however |
| 08:22.28 | tdn | As default an 5% of an ext3 file system is reserved for root. How do I change this to 0% when the filesystem already is created and contain data that I do not want to loose? Can I use tune2fs? |
| 08:22.32 | xingu | I did warn you :0 |
| 08:22.34 | ma3x | why don't I have /etc/init.d/rcS.d |
| 08:22.44 | dutchfish | xingu, but its ok |
| 08:22.48 | xingu | dutchfish: and noise means heat and vibration... :) |
| 08:23.02 | Sazpaimon | hey guys |
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| 08:23.13 | Sazpaimon | how do I check the upstream and downstream speed of my server |
| 08:23.29 | dutchfish | xingu, yup, 2 degrees increase in the case, but at ~30 Celsius (Case temp) |
| 08:23.33 | Sazpaimon | right now im rsyncing two servers that supposedly have a 100mbit connection each |
| 08:23.43 | Sazpaimon | rsync isnt telling me the speed |
| 08:23.44 | xingu | tdn: tunefs, but you really don't want to do that |
| 08:23.57 | Sazpaimon | so how do I check my transfer speed? |
| 08:24.19 | Kevin` | Sazpaimon ifconfig eth0;sleep 30;ifconfig eth0 |
| 08:24.25 | Kevin` | do simple math |
| 08:24.29 | xingu | tdn: you'll discover that ufs-like block allocators go apeshit at <5% giving you high latencies and bad fs fragmentation |
| 08:24.34 | Kevin` | for transfer speed over those 30 seconds |
| 08:24.41 | Sazpaimon | heh, good idea |
| 08:24.56 | tdn | xingu, I can live with that temporarily. I need the space badly. |
| 08:25.12 | xingu | tdn: you'll also discover eventually that the 5% reserved block area is used by fsck as lost+found |
| 08:25.22 | Sazpaimon | lets see |
| 08:25.27 | Sazpaimon | in those 30 seconds |
| 08:25.38 | Sazpaimon | 1817295833 bytes to 1859203897 bytes |
| 08:25.41 | Sazpaimon | calc.exe time |
| 08:25.47 | xingu | tdn: as a short term thing, tunefs on an unmounted filesystem then remount is the way to go. |
| 08:26.02 | Sazpaimon | that's 41908064 bytes |
| 08:26.17 | tdn | xingu, ok. Thanks. |
| 08:27.12 | Sazpaimon | or 1.3 MiB/S |
| 08:27.12 | xingu | tdn: nb just as a cheery third fyi, an ext3fs that's run out of space is not a pretty sight |
| 08:27.12 | Sazpaimon | or about.. 8 Mbit |
| 08:27.12 | Sazpaimon | is that right? |
| 08:27.12 | xingu | tdn: the journal needs space too. :) |
| 08:27.12 | Kevin` | Sazpaimon don't really want to do the math myself ;) |
| 08:27.12 | xingu | tdn: and with ext3, it's stored in a regular-ish inode |
| 08:27.20 | tdn | xingu, I know. But this is just something I need for very short time. |
| 08:27.45 | xingu | tdn: good-o, just pointing out the gauge of the shotgun you're aiming at your feet. :) |
| 08:27.49 | Sazpaimon | well. (((1859203897 - 1817295833) / 30) / 2048) * 8 |
| 08:27.52 | Sazpaimon | right? |
| 08:28.03 | tdn | xingu, heh :) |
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| 08:28.15 | Kevin` | why 2048 |
| 08:28.25 | Sazpaimon | err |
| 08:28.27 | Sazpaimon | not 2048 |
| 08:28.34 | Sazpaimon | 3072 |
| 08:28.52 | dimir | Moin! |
| 08:28.53 | Kevin` | where are you getting those numbers from |
| 08:28.56 | ma3x | where are the rc.S scripts located? |
| 08:29.00 | Sazpaimon | hm? |
| 08:29.07 | Sazpaimon | Im converting the bytes to megabytes |
| 08:29.20 | ustunozgur | in /etc |
| 08:29.23 | Kevin` | 1024*1024 |
| 08:29.29 | Kevin` | not 1024*2 |
| 08:29.32 | Sazpaimon | doh, right |
| 08:30.03 | Sazpaimon | (((1859203897 - 1817295833) / 30) / 1048576) * 8 |
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| 08:30.11 | Sazpaimon | paste that in calc.exe |
| 08:30.27 | Sazpaimon | and I get a mess |
| 08:30.31 | ustunozgur | ma3x, see /etc/rcS.d |
| 08:30.35 | Kevin` | (((1859203897 - 1817295833) / 30) / 1048576) * 8 |
| 08:30.35 | Kevin` | 10.6577718096 |
| 08:30.43 | Kevin` | pfft @calc.exe |
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| 08:30.51 | Sazpaimon | yeah that's what I got |
| 08:30.54 | Kevin` | (1859203897-1817295833)/1024/1024/8 |
| 08:30.54 | Kevin` | 4.9958305358 |
| 08:30.54 | Sazpaimon | I forgot to CE |
| 08:30.54 | ma3x | ustunozgur, is there only one runlevel on etch? |
| 08:31.03 | ustunozgur | no |
| 08:31.10 | ma3x | which is the default? |
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| 08:31.14 | ustunozgur | 2 |
| 08:31.23 | Sazpaimon | alright, so this is going at 10Mbit then? |
| 08:31.27 | ustunozgur | 1 is single user, 2-5 multiuser |
| 08:31.35 | Sazpaimon | that's lame, I was promised a 100Mbit connction |
| 08:31.35 | ustunozgur | default is 2. |
| 08:31.47 | Sazpaimon | let me try closing apache on the server im rsyncing from |
| 08:31.50 | ma3x | ustunozgur, what was that tool called that manages them? sysvinit something |
| 08:31.53 | Kevin` | hmm indeed *8 |
| 08:32.02 | ustunozgur | init, right. |
| 08:32.07 | argonic | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:32.17 | Kevin` | no, can't be right. i'm not thinking |
| 08:32.21 | Sazpaimon | Kevin`, yeah *8 |
| 08:32.22 | ustunozgur | you can issue pstree to see which commands are grown out of init. |
| 08:32.33 | Sazpaimon | you multiply by 8 bits per byte |
| 08:32.54 | xingu | unless you care about preamble and start and stop bits |
| 08:32.59 | Kevin` | (1859203897-1817295833)/1024/1024*8 |
| 08:32.59 | Kevin` | 319.7331542968 |
| 08:33.03 | Kevin` | why am I getting that? :) |
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| 08:33.21 | giorgio11 | hi |
| 08:33.22 | ustunozgur | ma3x, see /etc/inittab to change the default runlevel. |
| 08:33.22 | Sazpaimon | parenthesis? |
| 08:33.23 | dutchfish | xingu, apropos, i found a critical bug in the curent 2.6.18-4 kernel (driver bug) how to report that, to BTS? |
| 08:33.27 | Kevin` | shouldn't matter |
| 08:33.45 | xingu | but that's ok, ip over black magic, <wave style="jedi">this is not the datalink overhead you are looking for</> |
| 08:33.46 | Kevin` | doesn't matter |
| 08:33.53 | xingu | dutchfish: reportbug |
| 08:33.58 | xingu | dutchfish: is what I use. :) |
| 08:34.05 | dutchfish | xingu, ok thx |
| 08:34.46 | Sazpaimon | I just know I transfered 335264512 bits during that time |
| 08:34.47 | ma3x | ustunozgur, and how do I start the inetd server - it's in the rcS.d or any of the 2-5 runlevels? |
| 08:35.01 | Kevin` | oh the number you gave was bits? |
| 08:35.07 | Sazpaimon | no |
| 08:35.15 | Sazpaimon | 1859203897-1817295833 = 41908064 BYTES |
| 08:35.23 | Kevin` | oh, I forgot 30 |
| 08:35.26 | Kevin` | no wonder |
| 08:35.27 | argonic | ma3x: /etc/init.d/inetd start |
| 08:35.30 | Sazpaimon | oh dur |
| 08:35.33 | ma3x | argonic, no such file |
| 08:35.33 | Sazpaimon | hah |
| 08:35.39 | ma3x | maybe I dont have it installed |
| 08:35.42 | argonic | Then you don't have inetd installed |
| 08:35.47 | argonic | Maybe you have xinetd? |
| 08:35.50 | Sazpaimon | 10.65 Mbit |
| 08:35.55 | Kevin` | I concur |
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| 08:35.58 | Sazpaimon | now let me try with apache turned off |
| 08:36.00 | argonic | ma3x: /etc/rc(X).d/(FOO) is a symlink to /etc/init.d/(FOO) |
| 08:36.04 | xingu | Sazpaimon: what does ethtool think about your media interface? |
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| 08:36.29 | Kevin` | xingu if he got an actual rate of 10.65, it's 100mb ethernet or higher |
| 08:36.30 | Sazpaimon | xingu, it doesn't, as it isnt installed |
| 08:36.44 | RoboShim | Hi all , can anyone say me, where I can ask question on RFC? |
| 08:36.46 | ma3x | argonic, but I dont have such file inetd |
| 08:37.00 | Kevin` | (because it's not 10) |
| 08:37.03 | Sazpaimon | Kevin`, but that 10.65 is in megabits |
| 08:37.10 | argonic | ma3x: Are you shure you even HAVE an inetd installed? |
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| 08:37.17 | Kevin` | ethernet measures are megabit too |
| 08:37.21 | ustunozgur | what is inetd? |
| 08:37.24 | Sazpaimon | how can I have a 100mbit connection when Im only transfering 10mbit |
| 08:37.28 | ma3x | argonic, I have these files inetd: /usr/sbin/inetd /etc/inetd.conf /usr/share/man/man8/inetd.8.gz |
| 08:37.36 | Kevin` | I mean the connection to each box is 100mbit or higher |
| 08:37.43 | xingu | well, you might have a duplex mismatch with your link partner |
| 08:37.43 | ma3x | but no identd in /etc/init.d |
| 08:37.46 | Kevin` | so there's no point checking ethtool |
| 08:37.46 | foo | I am upgrading from sarge to etch, and installed 2.6.18... before I had some custom built 2.6.20.... will the 2.6.18 boot next time if I just installed it with aptitude? |
| 08:37.51 | Sazpaimon | Kevin`, oh you mean the line itself |
| 08:37.53 | Kevin` | duplex could be |
| 08:37.56 | argonic | ma3x: dpkg -S /usr/sbin/inetd |
| 08:37.58 | ustunozgur | ma3x, can you run it manually? |
| 08:37.58 | xingu | which you'd discover, oh I don't know, by looking at *ethtool* |
| 08:38.06 | Sazpaimon | and the port is 100mbit |
| 08:38.07 | ma3x | ustunozgur, yes i can run it manually |
| 08:38.12 | xingu | but hey, whatever floats your boat |
| 08:38.15 | ma3x | openbsd-inetd: /usr/sbin/inetd |
| 08:38.18 | Sazpaimon | not the actual speed of my connection |
| 08:38.25 | argonic | ma3x: dpkg -L openbsd-inetd | grep init |
| 08:38.27 | Sazpaimon | anyway, let me close apache |
| 08:38.34 | ma3x | /etc/init.d |
| 08:38.34 | ma3x | /etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd |
| 08:38.36 | Sazpaimon | NOW let me try |
| 08:38.37 | dutchfish | foo, /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 08:38.39 | argonic | ma3x: There you go |
| 08:38.47 | argonic | ma3x: /etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd is the command you want |
| 08:38.47 | Kevin` | Sazpaimon you will only see the actual speed of the connection if you are saturating it completely |
| 08:38.54 | foo | dutchfish: hm, I went from sarge to etch... |
| 08:38.55 | ma3x | argonic, is that the usual inetd that comes with etch? |
| 08:38.59 | ma3x | default one? |
| 08:39.05 | dutchfish | foo, oops, sorry |
| 08:39.05 | argonic | ma3x: I don't know, I'm running sarge |
| 08:39.21 | foo | dutchfish: I mainly want to know if the 2.6.18 kernel is going to get booted over the 2.6.20 |
| 08:39.25 | Sazpaimon | Kevin`, on two boxes in which have a dual 100Mbit internet connection, and apache is turned off |
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| 08:39.28 | ustunozgur | ma3x, yes. |
| 08:39.28 | argonic | ma3x: My guess, based on the question itself, is yes |
| 08:39.28 | Sazpaimon | i should near-saturate it |
| 08:39.32 | xingu | and is this really sync, or, rsync over ssh? |
| 08:39.42 | Sazpaimon | rsync over ssh |
| 08:39.44 | dutchfish | foo, what you mean? |
| 08:39.47 | argonic | ma3x: That is, since you don't KNOW which inetd is installed, I assume that you only have the default one. :) |
| 08:39.48 | xingu | because I don't think I've seen an ssh implementation yet that was worth a damn, throughput-wise. |
| 08:39.51 | ustunozgur | I have S20openbsd-initd in rc2.d for example. |
| 08:39.57 | xingu | and I've see a few |
| 08:40.04 | foo | dutchfish: I installed 2.6.18 kernel with this... and before I had 2.6.20... which kernel will get booted? The most recent one I installed? |
| 08:40.04 | ustunozgur | which links to /etc/init.d/openbsd-initd. |
| 08:40.12 | dutchfish | foo, 2.6.20 isnt sarge nor etch |
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| 08:40.22 | dutchfish | foo, probably yes |
| 08:40.24 | foo | dutchfish: Yes, as I said, it was custom built. |
| 08:40.27 | foo | dutchfish: oh, ok, thanks |
| 08:40.35 | Sazpaimon | that time I got 10.900 Mbit |
| 08:40.41 | _BassFool | _dutchfish hm can't get the graph option to work doesn't see second directory. gonna look for more examples on google |
| 08:40.44 | dutchfish | foo, check your /boot/grub/menu.list first |
| 08:40.46 | foo | dutchfish: Is there something I can look for in menu.lst to double check that the 2.6.18 will boot? |
| 08:40.58 | Sazpaimon | alright, well |
| 08:40.59 | foo | dutchfish: hehe. I've been up 30 hours working on some issues and can't recall what it was ATM |
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| 08:41.09 | foo | dutchfish: ...sleep is catching up with me. |
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| 08:41.24 | Sazpaimon | i'll just assume since I have more than 10Mbit going through ssh, that my actual speed is much greater |
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| 08:41.32 | xingu | aha, it is ssh |
| 08:41.34 | Sazpaimon | correct? |
| 08:41.51 | dutchfish | foo, examin your backup up menu.list also and compare changes the dis-upgrade made |
| 08:41.53 | Sazpaimon | once rsync is done, I suppose i could try it with ethereal |
| 08:42.14 | xingu | Sazpaimon: here's a thought, test with native rsync or http |
| 08:42.40 | Sazpaimon | xingu, wouldnt that require i set up some sort of rsync server? |
| 08:42.46 | xingu | Sazpaimon: exactly |
| 08:42.56 | Sazpaimon | i have no idea how rsync works really, so I just went with ssh |
| 08:43.09 | Sazpaimon | but, i Im getting 10mbit through ssh alone, that speaks for something |
| 08:43.31 | foo | dutchfish: hm, I don't seem to see that one |
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| 08:43.38 | xingu | Sazpaimon: ssh itself quickly becomes the blocking factor; my record to date is a smidge over 16Mb/s on gear that had hw crypto support |
| 08:43.51 | Sazpaimon | heh |
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| 08:44.06 | dutchfish | foo, menu.lst~ |
| 08:44.06 | Sazpaimon | like I said, I'll try it with ethereal as soon as rsync has finished |
| 08:44.24 | foo | dutchfish: ah |
| 08:44.36 | Sazpaimon | I just need to figure out HOW to test my speed with ethereal |
| 08:44.44 | Sazpaimon | ive done it before, I just dont remember |
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| 08:44.53 | dutchfish | foo, check there dates before you drop into conclusions |
| 08:44.59 | foo | dutchfish: k |
| 08:45.23 | xingu | Sazpaimon: it's a useless pos of a protocol because the encrypted blocks are not implemented with sliding windows on any implementation I'm aware of which means that the traffic profile quickly becomes symmetric to some function involving compression horsepower and round trip loss/delay product |
| 08:45.53 | xingu | Sazpaimon: it's a really great way to extract a bare minimum of performance out of your transport and clobber your tx-side cpu in the process |
| 08:46.13 | tkr | Sazpaimon, try iftop |
| 08:46.19 | xingu | Sazpaimon: repeat the test; with native http or rsync. |
| 08:46.52 | Sazpaimon | xingu, let me wait for rsync to finish then |
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| 08:47.07 | Sazpaimon | if I stop it now, I wont be able to finish where i left off |
| 08:47.11 | tkr | what an earth are you doing with rsync? |
| 08:47.21 | Sazpaimon | Im transfering my old server to my new one |
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| 08:47.42 | tkr | aha. |
| 08:47.47 | niru | what is the command to keep track of the prints whatever is given |
| 08:47.56 | niru | ie how many prints each machine gives |
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| 08:48.05 | Sazpaimon | well, I suppose if my connection really is 100mbit, i could run http and rsync ssh together |
| 08:48.12 | Sazpaimon | right? right. |
| 08:48.13 | xingu | yes |
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| 08:48.35 | xingu | modulo tx-side cpu clobberage |
| 08:48.37 | Sazpaimon | let me just find a really huge file to download |
| 08:48.58 | xingu | but http/ rsync are pretty friendly on the flops front once the stream's a-flowing. |
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| 08:49.09 | tkr | niru, lpr print? |
| 08:49.24 | niru | tkr, for cupsys? |
| 08:49.33 | niru | tkr, for cupsys? |
| 08:49.38 | tkr | dunno |
| 08:49.38 | Sazpaimon | alright, here's a 77 meg file |
| 08:49.43 | tkr | I use lprd |
| 08:49.43 | Sazpaimon | lets see how fast that downloads |
| 08:49.56 | xingu | should be as fast as your disk can serve it up. |
| 08:50.10 | Kevin` | 100mbit < most disks |
| 08:50.12 | xingu | up to a ceiling of probably 50-60Mbps |
| 08:50.13 | niru | tkr, where I need to give that in terminal or any smb.conf file |
| 08:50.24 | xingu | Kevin`: unless they're degraded raid5's ;) |
| 08:50.33 | tkr | niru, in your shell to show lpr que |
| 08:50.34 | Kevin` | aye.. |
| 08:50.36 | tkr | niru, man lpr |
| 08:50.46 | xingu | Kevin`: or restriping, degraded raid5's ;) |
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| 08:51.26 | Kevin` | hmm I suppose that could happen couldn't it |
| 08:51.35 | niru | tkr, lp is to give print |
| 08:51.57 | Sazpaimon | that time I got 21.27 |
| 08:52.03 | niru | tkr, I want to know how many prints a particular machine gives daily to a network printer |
| 08:52.57 | Sazpaimon | so maybe I should add to the fact that the server I was wgetting to is a production server, under some relatively moderate load |
| 08:52.58 | xingu | Sazpaimon: could easily be that the rsync profile is hammering your tx-side disk; have a look in bi/bo column of vmstat 1 |
| 08:53.27 | xingu | Sazpaimon: full stroke seeks are lethal |
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| 08:53.58 | Sazpaimon | my bo column is jumping around |
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| 08:54.11 | Sazpaimon | the highest bi went to was 36 |
| 08:54.13 | Sazpaimon | with bo at 0 |
| 08:54.16 | xingu | Sazpaimon: on tx-side? something's writing out then |
| 08:54.33 | Sazpaimon | there was also 8/7452 |
| 08:54.42 | Sazpaimon | and a 0/7440 |
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| 08:55.06 | xingu | Sazpaimon: logfiles or database would be my first two guesses; but anyway, even under this profile you've gone from ~10Mbps on the rsync-on-ssh flow to ~20Mbps on straight http |
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| 08:55.21 | xingu | Sazpaimon: which kind of shows you, I think, where the gating factor is. ;) |
| 08:55.27 | Sazpaimon | heh |
| 08:55.37 | Sazpaimon | well this is rsync-on-ssh plus http |
| 08:55.58 | Sazpaimon | so i obviously know that rsync isnt saturating my connection by a long shot |
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| 08:56.10 | xingu | Sazpaimon: if you need crypto, use ipsec or vtun at network layer or better still a pair of ipsec routers like netscreen 1xx's or whatever. |
| 08:56.27 | xingu | Sazpaimon: then just run raw rsync between tx and rx end. |
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| 08:56.30 | Sazpaimon | nah, I'm pretty content with these results |
| 08:56.36 | xingu | 'k |
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| 08:57.04 | Sazpaimon | i need to remember that the server im rsyncing from not only is a celeron 2 Ghz, but it's also going to the outside world |
| 08:57.13 | xingu | or write a better implementation |
| 08:57.17 | Sazpaimon | so the connection could be being used quite a bit at that time |
| 08:57.24 | xingu | heh |
| 08:57.43 | Kevin` | write a better one please |
| 08:57.45 | xingu | if your storage traffic can't flood the system off the face of the planet you're doing something wrong is usually my own design goal :) |
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| 08:58.19 | Sazpaimon | 20mbit downstream is still pretty damn decent |
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| 08:58.37 | xingu | that's almost fast enough for a network filesystem mountpoint. :) |
| 08:58.40 | Sazpaimon | i could probably do some good torrent ratio-fixing with that ;) |
| 08:59.11 | xingu | Sazpaimon: putting this in perspective you want about 45Mbps or so for a dvb-t superframe or uncompressed PAL. |
| 08:59.22 | daya | I got the follwoing errors, failed getting release signature file, Release.gpg file is missing while I am trying to install debian etch from network |
| 08:59.36 | daya | any idea |
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| 09:00.08 | DJCapelis | Reading Package Lists...Segmentation fault <-- help? |
| 09:00.14 | Sazpaimon | xingu, i just want to serve files fast enough to saturate most cable connections |
| 09:00.21 | Sazpaimon | at least, under a decent load |
| 09:00.57 | tkr | niru, maybe man lpd and search for ACCOUNTING? |
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| 09:01.11 | tkr | niru, dunno. never done that. havent had the need |
| 09:01.20 | xingu | Sazpaimon: I'd say you probably want to look under the bonnet of your tx-side system and put the write-mostly and read-only datasets onto different spindles then |
| 09:01.38 | Sazpaimon | xingu, you just blew my mind |
| 09:02.08 | dutchfish | what about iperf? |
| 09:02.11 | xingu | Sazpaimon: hdd seeks are really, really expensive now |
| 09:02.38 | Sazpaimon | well, if I had access to the datacenter my server was stored in I'd set it up my own way |
| 09:02.43 | xingu | Sazpaimon: I mean hdd's are mindblowingly slow as it is, but /seeks/ on them as a function of datalink rate is a whole lot of dropped traffic |
| 09:03.02 | tkr | Sazpaimon, of course you can use tc to shape your traffic. www.lartc.org |
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| 09:03.42 | xingu | Sazpaimon: if your transport is say 100Mbps/70Mpps and your hdd fullstroke seek is say 15ms then you can do the math to work out how big an air gap a seek causes. |
| 09:03.48 | tkr | Sazpaimon, look for Chapter 9. Queueing Disciplines for Bandwidth Management |
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| 09:04.11 | Sazpaimon | I'll look into it |
| 09:04.23 | liable | heh |
| 09:04.44 | tkr | Sazpaimon, with the u8, u16 and u32 identifiers you can match to just about anything. |
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| 09:05.03 | tkr | Sazpaimon, tc is really nice if you need to shape your traffic |
| 09:05.11 | Sazpaimon | jesus, i need to go back to cisco classes |
| 09:05.13 | xingu | tkr: does tc still shit itself at 100Mbps divisors? :) |
| 09:05.19 | Sazpaimon | i hav no idea ha this shit is |
| 09:05.58 | tkr | xingu, 100Mbps divisors? when did you look at it? 1996? |
| 09:05.58 | yettenet | Hi there... I'd need x-mplayer2 plugin for some websites, but I can't find any source to install from |
| 09:06.00 | tkr | :) |
| 09:06.02 | yettenet | Could anyone help me? |
| 09:06.11 | xingu | tkr: '99 *humpf* |
| 09:06.31 | Sazpaimon | I actually havent used linux as a personal OS in many years |
| 09:06.37 | tkr | xingu, nowadays you can do ANYTHING with tc. :) bit like tcpdump. |
| 09:06.51 | Sazpaimon | i havent seen an X window since like 2000 |
| 09:06.54 | tkr | xingu, havent had that much use for tc myself, but just once studied it out of pure interest |
| 09:07.01 | xingu | tkr: be interesting to see how tc and no_hz get on ;) |
| 09:07.04 | Sazpaimon | unless you count OSX's X11 |
| 09:07.16 | cydork | yettenet: you mean mozilla-mplayer ? |
| 09:07.16 | tkr | xingu, no_hz? |
| 09:07.34 | xingu | tkr: no jiffie irq |
| 09:07.37 | yettenet | cydork: Would it be that one? |
| 09:07.39 | tkr | ahh. need a cigarete. |
| 09:07.43 | yettenet | cydork: Thanks, I'll try to install it |
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| 09:09.57 | xingu | tkr: c7300's are pretty good at shaping traffic too. :) |
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| 09:11.22 | dutchfish | xingu, sorry whats a c7300 (in my mind it refers to some OKI printer) |
| 09:11.47 | xingu | dutchfish: crisco, pxf |
| 09:12.40 | xingu | dutchfish: fabric based approach to ip4; good for about 100-200 full rate services with complex acl's and fancy queueing (marking/ queueing/ policing) |
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| 09:13.13 | dutchfish | xingu, like NSE-150 |
| 09:13.29 | tkr | xingu, well. we got a pretty nice core. but Im not a cisco dude. more of a SIP dude. |
| 09:13.42 | xingu | dutchfish: closer to a sup720-lite |
| 09:13.48 | dutchfish | xingu, ok |
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| 09:14.06 | xingu | dutchfish: oh, no you're right |
| 09:14.20 | xingu | dutchfish: that is in fact the pxf engine in a 7300 - just shows how much I know |
| 09:14.44 | dutchfish | xingu, and thats even more then i know ;) |
| 09:14.53 | xingu | as in nse-g1 |
| 09:14.59 | tkr | xingu, of course you can shape traffic with any 7600 or even maybe with 7200? we got like 10 GSRs and bunch of Junipers also, but not good for shaping traffic. |
| 09:15.02 | tkr | mpls core |
| 09:15.14 | xingu | tkr: 7600 *is* a sup720. :) |
| 09:15.30 | sanelson | have you used any of the imagestream linux routers? |
| 09:15.57 | Appiah | never heard of them |
| 09:16.00 | tkr | well, Im not a cisco dude. :) but if you want to ask something about perl, sip or *nix try your luck :) |
| 09:16.17 | xingu | tkr: sounds like fun; we've mostly gone 12k/gsr (good purchasing contract - we were v. early customers for 'em) |
| 09:16.34 | sanelson | tkr: well, now you mention it, is ekiga any good? need to set up some VOIP for inter-office comms. |
| 09:16.38 | tkr | whitch isp? |
| 09:17.01 | tkr | sanelson, I use openser. if you want an application server Asterisk is usually the choice |
| 09:17.09 | xingu | tkr: the distribution layer is a mix of vxr's getting replaced at a rate of knots with 7300's, and cat6509's with sup32/sup720 depending. |
| 09:17.34 | tkr | sanelson, but we are an operator so mainly trunkin services etc. (skype is one of our customers, buying pstn termination) |
| 09:17.54 | sanelson | tkr: who do you work for? |
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| 09:18.12 | tkr | sanelson, tdcsong.com |
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| 09:20.16 | nikin | hy |
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| 09:26.36 | gb00ix | goodmorning , i have soms apt-get developper questions can somebody help me plz ? |
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| 09:35.46 | dondelelcaro | gb00ix: just ask your question |
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| 09:38.42 | ootput | is it possible for lftp to do a recursive get? |
| 09:38.44 | ttuuxxx | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:38.51 | ootput | i can't seem to specify globs such as *.* |
| 09:39.03 | LegolasV | How can I get ACPI or APM to work? When I use ACPI the machine powers off good on "halt -p" but I can't get it booted up using wake on lan and when I use APM I have to push the power button on "halt -p" but wake on lan works. |
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| 09:40.49 | Trewas | ootput: there is "mirror" command for getting whole directory trees, and wildcards should work with "mget" |
| 09:41.27 | doschdn | hi. is it possible to add ppp interfaces to a bridge somehow? |
| 09:42.32 | ootput | Trewas: oh thanks. i just found out about mirror from a google search for lftp recursive get |
| 09:42.40 | gb00ix | ok , where can i find answers on questions like : how does the apt-get upgrade internally work , questions like when i upgrade a certain package, can i still use it exportered services while updating ? |
| 09:42.40 | ootput | Trewas: i will look into mget |
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| 09:44.18 | bzed | gb00ix: you wanna look into the way how dpkg handles the configure {post,pre}{inst,rm} scripts, and what those scripts do in case of he package you're talking about |
| 09:44.41 | bzed | gb00ix: in case you want to upgrade ssh - that works well, it was made to work in such cases :) |
| 09:45.29 | gb00ix | do you have a particular document in mind ? :) |
| 09:47.03 | gb00ix | a document that explains how the upgrade internally works etc ... |
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| 09:56.02 | bryoan | anyone wants to help me check out ekiga? the sip id is: wlaoye and i am online now. |
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| 09:57.53 | bryoan | heard of wimpra? comcast is going to use it for a new service. |
| 09:58.39 | bryoan | anyone alive? |
| 09:59.01 | argonic | Nope, never heard of wimpra |
| 09:59.15 | bryoan | neither do i, until now. |
| 09:59.28 | argonic | Doesn't appear to turn up much in English on Google, either |
| 09:59.45 | bryoan | yeah, i found that out too. |
| 10:00.02 | bryoan | let me get u the link to the news. |
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| 10:02.44 | bryoan | sorry, it should be zimpra :D. here's the link: http://news.com.com/Comcast+picks+Zimbra+for+online+e-mail/2100-1032_3-6181737.html |
| 10:03.57 | bryoan | Dell will be joining MS and Novell on Linux stuff. Where does all these place Debian? |
| 10:05.38 | argonic | Ahead of the game? |
| 10:05.45 | argonic | =) |
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| 10:06.13 | liable | no where really, should it place debian somewhere? |
| 10:06.22 | argonic | Don't look too closely at my ident |
| 10:06.31 | argonic | You might suspect conspiracy |
| 10:06.34 | xingu | I think it should place debian into the soul of every soft cuddly toy |
| 10:06.35 | liable | i thought ubuntu was going to be offered on dells? |
| 10:06.52 | LegolasV | Dell will be selling Ubuntu, so isn't that actually debian? |
| 10:07.15 | ma3x | liable, I ran the memtest last night |
| 10:07.21 | raf256 | huhm... |
| 10:07.26 | raf256 | I can not add any user... what the f |
| 10:07.36 | raf256 | adduser exists with error suddeny |
| 10:07.45 | argonic | raf256: has /etc/passwd become corrupted? |
| 10:07.53 | liable | LegolasV: if ubuntu was debian, why are they called different names? |
| 10:07.55 | raf256 | argonic: hmm I dont think so, how to check/fix |
| 10:08.06 | Trewas | "Under the latest agreement, Dell will purchase Suse Linux Enterprise Server certificates, Microsoft said." so apparently dell is going with suse for servers |
| 10:08.22 | argonic | raf256: Well, eyeballing the file should be able to tell you if it's broken |
| 10:08.31 | raf256 | argonic: it looks ok |
| 10:08.48 | LegolasV | liable: well Ubuntu is, to me, Debian with shorter release cycles and more support to "new" users |
| 10:08.58 | raf256 | although..... |
| 10:09.05 | raf256 | my /home is 100% full, I think thats the problem. |
| 10:09.30 | liable | LegolasV: so, even with your description, ubuntu!=debian |
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| 10:09.35 | mjf | Hello. |
| 10:09.41 | mjf | Is the shebank broken? |
| 10:09.56 | mjf | I have serious problems with unix shebank :( |
| 10:10.02 | gb00ix | If you gonna upgrade a package and while upgrading you still want to be able to use the service , how do you do that ? |
| 10:10.02 | argonic | shebank? |
| 10:10.05 | mjf | Can anyone help me? |
| 10:10.12 | argonic | mjf: What's a shebank? |
| 10:10.16 | mjf | #!/usr/bin/env /usr/bin/awk -f |
| 10:10.16 | liable | whats a shebank? |
| 10:10.21 | argonic | And how can I get my wife in one? |
| 10:10.23 | argonic | shebang? |
| 10:10.27 | mjf | /usr/bin/env: /usr/bin/awk -f: No such file or directory |
| 10:10.39 | mjf | conclusion -> the shebank is broken |
| 10:10.58 | argonic | mjf: I think you mean "shebang" |
| 10:11.04 | xingu | why would you use both env and a full path qualifier? |
| 10:11.09 | xdr | find / | grep -i wallet || grep -i keys |
| 10:11.20 | argonic | short for "sharp bang" (# being "sharp", ! being "bang") |
| 10:11.31 | argonic | mjf: Does /usr/bin/awk exist? |
| 10:11.33 | xdr | ;) |
| 10:11.37 | xingu | # is an octothorpe, a sharp is italicised. |
| 10:11.43 | mjf | you did not get the problem |
| 10:11.55 | mjf | try more than 1 option to any program... |
| 10:12.06 | mjf | #!/usr/bin/awk --posix -f |
| 10:12.10 | mjf | will not work as well |
| 10:12.58 | mjf | the whole line after first space is passed to the #! program... |
| 10:13.03 | mjf | so it can not work. |
| 10:13.06 | mjf | :( |
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| 10:13.11 | mjf | Why? |
| 10:13.32 | mjf | This violates the common use, I think. |
| 10:13.44 | argonic | xingu: So we should call "#!" octobangs? |
| 10:14.02 | xand | xingu: # *is* italicised :P but it's called hash |
| 10:14.22 | mjf | It works properly on most *nixes.. but not in GNU system. It should be fixed. |
| 10:14.55 | xingu | xand: I think it was described as an octothorpe on the patent application. :) |
| 10:15.14 | avtobiff | # is a hash (clearly everybody sees that) so we shold call "#!" hashbang |
| 10:15.27 | mjf | hashbang is correct name, yes |
| 10:15.42 | argonic | mjf: http://homepages.cwi.nl/~aeb/std/hashexclam-1.html#ss1.4 |
| 10:15.42 | jelly-home | nothing clear about that... |
| 10:15.50 | mjf | but tell me, why it does not work? |
| 10:15.55 | avtobiff | mjf, what about haschbang? ;-) |
| 10:15.59 | avtobiff | that i do not know... |
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| 10:16.25 | hark | !# |
| 10:16.25 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, # is HASH DAMMIT, HASH! NO! OCTOTHORPE! |
| 10:16.39 | jelly-home | !octothorpe |
| 10:16.39 | dpkg | well, octothorpe is ASCII character 35: #; AKA hash, pound<shift> 3 |
| 10:16.44 | jelly-home | :-D |
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| 10:21.07 | bugster | how can i make w3m initialize the fbdev device ? |
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| 10:21.55 | mjf | argonic: according to the text it shouldn't be working? only in Plan9, and BSD >4 <6 ? :( |
| 10:22.09 | mjf | argonic: that is painful! |
| 10:22.32 | mjf | mjf: the hashbank is very important. :( |
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| 10:23.06 | mjf | argonic: the hashbang is very important. :( |
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| 10:24.03 | bugster | when in framebuffer i change resolution to 1024x768-76 and start links2 -mode 0 the fbdev gets initialized to use the fbdev with correct color depth as soon as i stop links2 w3m's images get blurry cause no correct color depth ?? |
| 10:26.49 | argonic | mjf: You should also read this: http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-talk/237208 |
| 10:28.03 | mjf | argonic: ok |
| 10:28.08 | mjf | argonic: thx |
| 10:28.16 | ihate88 | hey there - my pc is normally running for weeks, so i cant really say that i didnt change anything(i just dont really know) but last time i played around with ffmpeg, mplayer, started compiling stuff on my own and so on and i should'nt have canged anything regarding nvidia drivers, xserver or anything. now when i boot i dont see the standard nvidia screen at the beginning, instead there is a blue screen for times, which are the resolutions from 1280 dow |
| 10:28.16 | ihate88 | n to 800 - my pc can boot with 640x480 which is a pain in the xxx. anyway to easily remove the components which are important and set them up again? i tried reinstalling nvidia binaries, it didn't help. lsmod shows up the module "nvidia". i am at work until 4pm, any hints via query would be appreciated |
| 10:28.37 | daya | is there is any solution for the problem "failed to get signature file Release.gpg" while instlling debian through network |
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| 10:29.57 | GhostlyDeath | How do you insert pictires on the second page in OpenOffice? |
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| 10:30.07 | liable | ihate88: are you running sid? |
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| 10:34.07 | GhostlyDeath | damn you OOo |
| 10:35.23 | liable | !damn OOo |
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| 10:36.28 | RichiH | GhostlyDeath: even though that advice will not help you instantly, i would suggest learning latex |
| 10:37.22 | liable | latex even sounds like something you can have fun with! |
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| 10:37.36 | liable | err.. if you are into that kind of thing. |
| 10:38.11 | GhostlyDeath | latex is some kind of material that people are allergic too |
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| 10:41.34 | ihate88 | liable: i installed etch, when it was released and upgraded to lenny. some packages i used out of sid/experimental(like musicbrainz picard) |
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| 10:43.09 | liable | ihate88: whats your xserver-xorg-core version? |
| 10:43.23 | peasset | hi, can you play that sream with vlc??? mms://vipmms.canalplus.fr/canalplus/zapping_070504_a.wmv |
| 10:43.34 | peasset | i only have the sound |
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| 10:43.48 | ihate88 | version number: 11.0 and vendor version: 7.1.1 (70101000) |
| 10:43.52 | peasset | totem can play it well |
| 10:43.53 | mutantpineapple | is there any way of installing a package to another debian partition? |
| 10:44.19 | ihate88 | (which is what my nvidia xserver-config tool gives out) |
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| 10:44.42 | peasset | but i can't play with the progress bar with totem |
| 10:45.25 | liable | ihate88: i meant the package version, but it doesnt seem to be what i was thinking of anyway |
| 10:46.07 | ihate88 | (II) NVIDIA(0): Assigned Display Device: CRT-0 - is what i am not sure off, i think before my screen had a different device name as far as i can remember |
| 10:46.24 | ihate88 | it is followed by "(WW) NVIDIA(0): No valid modes for "1600x1200"; removing." |
| 10:47.00 | ihate88 | apt-cache show xserver-xorg gives out "Version: 1:7.1.0-18" |
| 10:47.28 | ihate88 | now i have to go to work, as i said, any help via query or highlight would be very appreciated |
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| 10:48.54 | garo | What's the difference between xen-linux-system-2.6.18-4-xen-686 and xen-linux-system-2.6.18-4-xen-vserver-686 ? |
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| 10:52.00 | Blackhold | hello... |
| 10:52.06 | CtrlAltGeek | hmm Hi. |
| 10:52.08 | Blackhold | someone has used any time moodle? |
| 10:52.27 | Blackhold | </offtopic) |
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| 10:54.27 | SkareCrow | Hello, I have just recently gotten Debian Etch and just re-installed today and started configuring my web server and tried to install libapache2-mod-security only to find out it doesnt exist on stable any more... |
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| 10:54.55 | SkareCrow | Is there any way of still getting it, anyone know of some backport? |
| 10:54.58 | SkareCrow | I really dont want to have to go threw and install it from source... |
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| 11:05.38 | liable | SkareCrow: its prolly built in |
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| 11:06.01 | SkareCrow | built in to what? |
| 11:06.10 | SkareCrow | it was removed from debian |
| 11:06.15 | liable | apache2 |
| 11:06.23 | SkareCrow | no its not |
| 11:06.23 | SkareCrow | its a module |
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| 11:07.14 | Lamperi | Joo. |
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| 11:08.28 | comsa | . |
| 11:08.28 | omri | if I have a 32bits version of a library, is there any way I can use it with a 64bits application? (I can't there's no 64bits version of the library and it's a commercial library) |
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| 11:09.22 | SkareCrow | never mind on my question, someone already helped me |
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| 11:11.45 | yettenet | Hi there! I'm getting the following error message when trying to run several apps: Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 11:11.51 | yettenet | Is there a solution to this? |
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| 11:14.34 | comsa | . |
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| 11:20.45 | enouf | !sunday |
| 11:20.45 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
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| 11:22.22 | xand | !enouf |
| 11:22.26 | xand | :( |
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| 11:25.14 | liable | its still sunday somewhere? |
| 11:25.28 | liable | !gmt -12 |
| 11:25.28 | Stevie-O | liable: diff is 1178555007 |
| 11:25.43 | jelly-home | perpetual sundays ftw |
| 11:25.52 | liable | Stevie-O: um, thanks. i think |
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| 11:27.12 | hall_ | how can this be resolved please? php4-cgi: Depends: php4-common (= 6:4.4.4-8+etch2) but 6:4.4.4-9 is to be installed |
| 11:27.12 | hall_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:27.44 | omri | hall_, wild guess: apt-get update ? |
| 11:28.00 | hall_ | still the same# |
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| 11:28.10 | ma3x | where do I change the key repeat rate? |
| 11:28.43 | liable | is php4-cgi from the debian repo? |
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| 11:29.43 | hall_ | liable, I assume so, I am following this http://www.debianadmin.com/apache2-installation-and-configuration-with-php-support-in-debian-linux.html |
| 11:30.22 | liable | !depends php4-cgi etch |
| 11:30.28 | dpkg | php4-cgi: depends on libbz2-1.0, libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libcomerr2 (>= 1.33-3), libdb4.4, libexpat1 (>= 1.95.8), libkrb53 (>= 1.4.2), libpcre3 (>= 4.5), libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8c-1), libzzip-0-12 (>= 0.12.83), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), mime-support (>= 2.03-1), php4-common (= 6:4.4.4-8+etch1), libmagic1, ucf |
| 11:30.58 | liable | thats odd |
| 11:31.09 | liable | even dpkg's version is different to yours |
| 11:31.20 | stew | hall_: 6:4.4.4-9 is in lenny, but not in etch, you must have sources pointing to lenny or testing, or you installed php4-common from lenny/unstable sometime previously |
| 11:31.47 | liable | hall_: there were some security upgrades for etch recently, it seems the version is now incompatable for php4-cgi |
| 11:31.50 | jelly-home | and probably not have security.d.o sources |
| 11:32.05 | stew | hall_: can you show us the output of " apt-cache policy libc6 php4-common "? use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin. |
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| 11:32.50 | stew | the problem is that etch's php4-cgi is not compatible with lenny's php4-common |
| 11:32.59 | hall_ | OK thanks all |
| 11:33.04 | hall_ | fixed now |
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| 11:34.41 | Growly | hello |
| 11:35.03 | Growly | quick question re dpkg-buildpackage |
| 11:35.06 | Growly | (if anyone has time) |
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| 11:36.10 | Growly | nevermind, just me being crap |
| 11:36.41 | stew | Growly: if you have a question, just ask it |
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| 11:39.27 | Growly | okies, well, cvs is claiming that there is no route to host (connecting to cvs.sourceforge.net) - but i can ping it |
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| 11:40.26 | markybob | what the hell does that have to do with dpkg-buildpackage? |
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| 11:41.41 | Growly | well, that problem's gone |
| 11:41.46 | daya | how to make release.gpg file for local repo |
| 11:42.08 | Growly | but when i run fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage (trying to make madwifi packages) it runs cvs, which fails |
| 11:42.47 | liable | Growly: madwifi isnt kept in cvs anymore |
| 11:43.00 | liable | its in svn |
| 11:43.08 | Growly | right. |
| 11:43.18 | Growly | so this entier document is to be discarded. |
| 11:45.09 | Growly | thanks |
| 11:45.40 | liable | why is it looking anyway? is that the update checking thing? |
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| 11:47.03 | Growly | http://www.marlow.dk/site.php/tech/madwifi <- this page says to download every possible required package and then run dpkpg-buildpackage, which then downloads the latest source and packages it, or something |
| 11:47.06 | Growly | im not entirely sure |
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| 11:47.09 | Growly | but now that i can't use that command |
| 11:47.33 | liable | Growly: are you just trying to build a new madwifi or what? |
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| 11:48.33 | Growly | im trying to install it |
| 11:48.36 | Growly | none atm |
| 11:48.43 | Growly | im willing to bet i'm doing it wrong |
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| 11:49.33 | liable | Growly: theres madwifi in the debian repos |
| 11:50.13 | jgalvin1 | I have a problem with gcc... I get 'Segmentation Fault' on basic hello-world programs and I'm getting the "configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables" error even though I have build-essential/libc6/libc6-dev etc. installed |
| 11:50.34 | liable | !b-e jgalvin1 |
| 11:50.34 | dpkg | jgalvin1: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 11:50.54 | jgalvin1 | i have that installed... i googled to bits yesterday and installed everything anyone said to install |
| 11:51.00 | liable | are you sure you have build-essential installed? |
| 11:51.06 | liable | hrm |
| 11:51.29 | jgalvin1 | ya - build-essential is already the newest version. |
| 11:51.39 | Growly | liable (thanks for the help btw), so, crap. do i still need to compile |
| 11:51.39 | Growly | ? |
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| 11:51.46 | liable | !cannot create executables |
| 11:51.47 | dpkg | The error "C compiler cannot create executables" means you need to install build-essential. |
| 11:52.03 | jgalvin1 | it is already installed though |
| 11:52.13 | markybob | are you using ubuntu? |
| 11:52.19 | jgalvin1 | debian etch |
| 11:52.24 | stew | it could mean other things, that is just the most common |
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| 11:52.59 | liable | Growly: madwifi-source is in non-free, build it with m-a |
| 11:53.13 | markybob | jgalvin1: apt-get install libc6-dev g++ gcc then try again |
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| 11:53.41 | liable | jgalvin1: put your entire output to a pastebot |
| 11:53.42 | stew | markybob: he already has those |
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| 11:53.48 | jgalvin1 | marky, it says they're all installed too |
| 11:53.52 | jgalvin1 | ok liable |
| 11:54.06 | markybob | jgalvin1: are you using an amd64 port? |
| 11:54.16 | jgalvin1 | ya |
| 11:54.21 | markybob | well then |
| 11:54.23 | jgalvin1 | i also installed libc6-dev-amd64 |
| 11:54.29 | jgalvin1 | which i had hoped would fix it :) |
| 11:54.31 | markybob | apt-get install ia32-libs ia32-libs-dev |
| 11:54.47 | jgalvin1 | can't find those packages |
| 11:54.55 | jgalvin1 | i was looking for them yesterday... |
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| 11:55.21 | jgalvin1 | sec i'll enable more sources |
| 11:55.24 | markybob | jgalvin1: you also need libc6-dev-i386 |
| 11:56.46 | jgalvin1 | hmm i cant find any of these packages |
| 11:56.51 | jgalvin1 | are they in an unusual repository? |
| 11:57.03 | Growly | i have to recompile the kernel? |
| 11:57.05 | Growly | oh man |
| 11:57.07 | markybob | jgalvin1: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=libc6-dev-i386 |
| 11:57.08 | Growly | this never goes to plan |
| 11:57.22 | jgalvin1 | ahh |
| 11:57.23 | jgalvin1 | thanks |
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| 11:57.49 | stew | Growly: why do you need to recompile the kernel? |
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| 11:58.54 | gcosmin | what is the best solution for wireless WLAN Adapter? |
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| 11:59.14 | Growly | stew - madwifi |
| 11:59.23 | Growly | i should do this more often, it's good for me |
| 11:59.40 | stew | Growly: you shouldn't need to recompile your kernel for madwifi |
| 11:59.55 | markybob | !madwifi-install |
| 11:59.55 | dpkg | i guess madwifi-install is ask me about <non-free>, then as root: "apt-get update ; apt-get install module-assistant ; m-a prepare ; m-a a-i madwifi". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0. |
| 12:00.15 | Growly | dammit |
| 12:00.20 | Growly | i wont learn anything that way :S |
| 12:00.24 | jgalvin1 | markybob - i think i was mixed up there... I have AMD64 but it is 32bit version of debian installed |
| 12:00.32 | jgalvin1 | so it won't let me install those packages |
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| 12:01.31 | stew | gcosmin: what do you mean by best? |
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| 12:01.45 | liable | Growly: you only need headers for madwifi |
| 12:02.12 | Growly | oh. |
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| 12:02.28 | liable | you only need headers for most stuff |
| 12:02.33 | jgalvin1 | i've put the gcc pastebin here - http://paste.debian.net/27366 |
| 12:02.37 | Growly | well it was working, and then it failed to find /scripts/genkysums/genksyms |
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| 12:02.57 | Growly | well m-a fails too |
| 12:03.00 | Growly | fantasmic |
| 12:03.12 | xand | !wireless |
| 12:03.12 | dpkg | The Linux Wireless LAN resource page is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux or try asking #wireless, or see http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/net/wireless/cards.html, or Linksys WPC11: http://rtl-wifi.sourceforge.net/ |
| 12:03.39 | xand | !wpa |
| 12:03.43 | xand | bah |
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| 12:06.07 | enouf | !wep |
| 12:06.07 | dpkg | methinks wep is the utterly useless level of encryption that 802.11b uses. it claims to provide 'wired equivalent privacy', but it's as secure as rot13. |
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| 12:09.29 | maki | hiu |
| 12:09.32 | maki | hi |
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| 12:10.05 | maki | can debian use ubuntu repos with no problem |
| 12:10.16 | streuner | no |
| 12:10.23 | streuner | !bobbitt |
| 12:10.23 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system. |
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| 12:10.32 | streuner | ...same goes for debian based distros |
| 12:10.35 | enouf | !cannot create executables |
| 12:10.35 | enouf | dpkg .. lag again? |
| 12:10.35 | enouf | well .. anyways .. please check that for correct info folks .. i modded it |
| 12:10.35 | dpkg | cannot create executables is, like, The error "C compiler cannot create executables" means you need to install build-essential. If you're using the AMD64 port, you may also need to install ia32-libs, ia32-libs-dev, libc6-dev and libc6-dev-i386 .. also check that your versions of gcc, g++, and libc6 are the latest. |
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| 12:10.54 | enouf | crap .. or was the lag just me :-( |
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| 12:11.01 | streuner | no |
| 12:11.05 | Growly | nope |
| 12:11.08 | maki | whats the number of pakages in official debian repos |
| 12:11.10 | hall_ | i am trying to install egroupware on 4.0 this is my sources.list http://pastebin.ca/475368 when i try to get it i get Package egroupware is not available, but is referred to by another package. What should i add to sources please? |
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| 12:11.29 | streuner | !dstats sid |
| 12:11.35 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 20522 packages, 1819 maintainers, 48218 MB installed size, 16212 MB compressed size. |
| 12:11.36 | enouf | maki: /msg dpkg cd contents .. there's a better factoid |
| 12:11.45 | enouf | ahhh .. heh streuner |
| 12:11.51 | jgalvin1 | thanks enouf, but i already have all of those installed... this might be an even bigger problem with gcc, maybe i have the wrong version installed or something? - http://paste.debian.net/27366 |
| 12:11.56 | streuner | enouf: :-P |
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| 12:12.20 | enouf | jgalvin1: apologies, but o wouldn't know .. others may though |
| 12:12.32 | enouf | er s/o/ i |
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| 12:12.54 | maki | i use ubuntu |
| 12:12.55 | streuner | maki: over 20.000 packages would be enough, wouldn't it ;-) |
| 12:12.59 | streuner | oh |
| 12:13.02 | markybob | maki so go to #ubuntu |
| 12:13.03 | enouf | uh oh |
| 12:13.12 | maki | and i like to switch to debian |
| 12:13.24 | enouf | haha .. nice comeback |
| 12:13.29 | streuner | !d-i maki |
| 12:13.29 | dpkg | maki, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 12:14.04 | liable | jgalvin1: gcc bug |
| 12:14.19 | jgalvin1 | any advice on how to proceed with it? |
| 12:14.22 | liable | jgalvin1: check bts for the amd64 version |
| 12:14.30 | liable | jgalvin1: ask #debian-amd64 |
| 12:14.34 | jgalvin1 | thanks |
| 12:14.41 | stew | he's not using amd64 |
| 12:14.49 | maki | i think that ubuntu is a eye-candy debian, but friends that use debian say its better |
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| 12:14.53 | enouf | jgalvin1: uname -r |
| 12:14.59 | enouf | k7 ?? |
| 12:15.10 | jgalvin1 | 2.6.18-3-686 |
| 12:15.34 | enouf | that's not the amd64 port jgalvin1 |
| 12:15.43 | jgalvin1 | ya i was mistaken initially |
| 12:15.51 | jgalvin1 | its an amd64 server running whatever that port is |
| 12:16.00 | stew | enouf: yes, he said previously he was not using the amd64 port but i386 on a 64 bit amd cpu |
| 12:16.04 | enouf | he .. its the i386 port |
| 12:16.27 | enouf | stew: just clarifying .. no biggy |
| 12:17.22 | Growly | ok scripts/genksyms exists, but scripts/genksyms/genksyms doesn't :S |
| 12:17.29 | Growly | isn't there supposed to be, like, .c at the end? |
| 12:18.38 | hall_ | can anyone tell me why i cannot get the package egroupware from deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 12:19.33 | stew | hall_: becuase egroupware was removed from etch before it released |
| 12:19.42 | Growly | why does it work with headers and not the full source?! |
| 12:20.25 | Growly | ARGH! |
| 12:21.19 | hall_ | stew, thanks- that answers that then :) |
| 12:21.49 | stew | hall_: you may want /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 12:23.35 | maki | how many pakages i have in the dvd |
| 12:23.54 | jgalvin1 | would I break anything major if I uninstalled gcc and reinstalled it? |
| 12:23.54 | streuner | dpkg, say hi PerfDave lonely traveler in the wide universe :-) |
| 12:23.54 | dpkg | hi PerfDave lonely traveler in the wide universe :-) |
| 12:24.34 | PerfDave | jgalvin1: Probably not. Or you could try "aptitude reinstall" to reinstall without breaking dependencies... |
| 12:24.37 | eleftherios | anyone knows a tool that can give me an ascii representation of a directory tree? Much like ls -lR but with some touches of ascii art ;-) |
| 12:24.43 | jgalvin1 | thanks |
| 12:24.52 | stew | jgalvin1: no. it should produce exactly the same behaviour before and after the reinstall |
| 12:24.53 | eleftherios | I meant graphical representation, excuse me |
| 12:24.58 | enouf | heh .. found this repo in my travels http://www.freshnet.org/debian/ some woody and hoary stuff too |
| 12:25.13 | jgalvin1 | ya i'm just out of ideas stew |
| 12:25.26 | maki | debian have 3 dvd's |
| 12:25.29 | maki | ? |
| 12:25.39 | archville | ¿ What can i use to read postscript files ? |
| 12:25.41 | streuner | maki: yes |
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| 12:25.57 | PerfDave | aptitude seems to have gotten its knickers in a twist - I tried removing some kernel packages and upgrading a new one, and now I get this: http://paste.debian.net/27368 |
| 12:26.05 | stew | maki: you only need one, or the first cd or a netinst cd as long as you can get on the internet with a stock debian kernel |
| 12:26.08 | streuner | maki: but usually you just install via one netinstall-CD |
| 12:26.47 | enouf | maki: likely 8-10,000 .. see /msg dpkg cd contents , as i mentioned |
| 12:26.52 | stew | PerfDave: checked df? |
| 12:26.53 | streuner | PerfDave: why not just using good old apt-get and dpkg? ;-) |
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| 12:27.21 | streuner | !dstats etch |
| 12:27.23 | PerfDave | stew: What would df tell me? Nothing's full if that's what you're asking. |
| 12:27.26 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on etch... 18601 packages, 1728 maintainers, 41697 MB installed size, 13733 MB compressed size. |
| 12:27.32 | eleftherios | ah, got one, it is called Tree :-) |
| 12:27.38 | stew | PerfDave: that's what i was asking |
| 12:27.50 | PerfDave | stew: Well, nothing's full :) |
| 12:28.08 | stew | PerfDave: strace it? |
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| 12:28.30 | PerfDave | stew: I did that. It looks for a lock file. I delete it, run it again, it fails again, and the lockfile's back. |
| 12:28.40 | man_in_shack | is there a simple way to upgrade a package and all of its dependencies? |
| 12:29.01 | PerfDave | man_in_shack: aptitude upgrade? |
| 12:30.38 | streuner | PerfDave: run that bitch via apt-get and tell us the output again, if that doesn't help just reboot |
| 12:30.38 | man_in_shack | PerfDave, will that upgrade the deps too? |
| 12:30.38 | maki | this is so confusing |
| 12:30.39 | maki | what to get |
| 12:30.39 | maki | dvd cd ..... |
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| 12:30.39 | PerfDave | man_in_shack: That will upgrade all packages to the latest eligible versions |
| 12:30.39 | stew | man_in_shack: aptitude install packagename |
| 12:30.41 | man_in_shack | i want only a specific package and its dep |
| 12:30.43 | PerfDave | stew: It tries to open /var/lib/dpkg/lock /var/lock/aptitude /var/lib/apt/lists/lock |
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| 12:31.21 | bahadunn | is the testing security project still going? |
| 12:31.23 | man_in_shack | stew, doesn't try to upgrade the deps |
| 12:31.34 | streuner | bahadunn: sure :-) |
| 12:31.40 | liable | bahadunn: yes why? |
| 12:31.59 | man_in_shack | only upgrades as required. i want upgrade all the deps to latest available |
| 12:32.01 | liable | if you havent had updates, its cause nothing you have has had bugs fixed :) |
| 12:32.01 | enouf | bahadunn: check here http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/ |
| 12:32.05 | bahadunn | because seems like the last thing they worked on was 2005 |
| 12:32.14 | liable | huh? |
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| 12:32.48 | bahadunn | http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/list.html |
| 12:33.17 | liable | oh, testing, thats a good question. my stupid brain automatically did, testing-> etch-> stable -> security.debian.org |
| 12:33.19 | stew | bahadunn: yes, in 2005 they integrated with security.debian.org |
| 12:34.12 | maki | what would be best to download |
| 12:34.12 | liable | interesting how my brain works innit |
| 12:34.12 | bahadunn | stew: so now just look to security.debian.org for lenny? |
| 12:34.12 | maki | dvd , cd or ? |
| 12:34.22 | enouf | whatever you like |
| 12:34.41 | maki | i have limited net |
| 12:34.56 | enouf | how limited |
| 12:35.02 | maki | 4 gb |
| 12:35.11 | enouf | how about speed? |
| 12:35.12 | maki | and then its slower |
| 12:35.18 | maki | like dial up |
| 12:35.26 | stew | bahadunn: yes. it was 2006 not 2005: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00006.html |
| 12:35.35 | bahadunn | stew: thanks |
| 12:35.43 | maki | net install hase apt-get and pppoeconf |
| 12:35.49 | enouf | maki: i guess netinstall is the happ medium, or order a cd/dvd set |
| 12:36.46 | PerfDave | Are there any statistics for the response rate of the Testing security team? |
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| 12:38.10 | streuner | Are there any statistics for stupid questions? |
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| 12:38.27 | stew | wtf |
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| 12:38.42 | sander__ | hi there, I need some help in my etch |
| 12:38.55 | sander__ | I have a trouble use bootsplash |
| 12:39.05 | stew | PerfDave: they will not even bother uploading to testing unless they can't get a fixed package from unstable fast-tracked into testing |
| 12:39.17 | sander__ | I found a lot of howtos in google, but neither works with my etch |
| 12:39.20 | stew | PerfDave: (where 'fast-tracked' means something like 2-3 days) |
| 12:39.35 | stew | PerfDave: but in general they don't upload to t-p-u very often at all |
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| 12:40.01 | PerfDave | stew: Fair enough. A friend of mine did some research into the testing security about a year ago and found that security fixes weren't being turned around fast enough for him to rely on it. |
| 12:40.20 | enouf | that's why we have etch ;-) |
| 12:40.22 | stew | PerfDave: no, i don't think the testing security team recommends relying on them |
| 12:40.29 | sander__ | first of all, Id like to know which kernel should I use |
| 12:40.33 | enouf | er Stable .. whatever |
| 12:40.40 | sander__ | I have a semprom (AMD) processor |
| 12:40.51 | PerfDave | Anyway, if people can't help me with my aptitude problem, I'm going to take my girlfriend shopping. |
| 12:40.52 | sander__ | Linux matrix 2.6.18-4-486 #1 Wed Apr 18 09:13:09 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 12:40.57 | streuner | sander__: k7 |
| 12:41.01 | streuner | !k7 |
| 12:41.01 | dpkg | rumour has it, k7 is the generic model name for the series of AMD i386-compatible processors which begins with the "Athlon" and also includes the "Duron", "Thunderbird", "Sempron" and "Athlon XP" processors. It does not include the AMD64, X2, FX, Opteron (k8) family or the older K5 or K6 chips. |
| 12:41.01 | stew | PerfDave: file a bug? |
| 12:41.10 | tarzeau | PerfDave: the fixes are faster in sid? |
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| 12:42.16 | PerfDave | stew: I just assumed it was me not knowing how to use aptitude. |
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| 12:44.24 | bahadunn | man |
| 12:44.31 | bahadunn | Monday sort of stuck up on me |
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| 12:44.59 | sander__ | linux-image-2.6-k7 |
| 12:45.19 | sander__ | kernel-image-2.6-k8 |
| 12:45.36 | sander__ | linux-image-2.8.18-4-k7 |
| 12:45.43 | jgalvin1 | are you Irish xand? |
| 12:45.45 | bahadunn | xand: aint no bank holiday here |
| 12:45.51 | sander__ | Those were select by aptitude, is correct streuner ? |
| 12:45.56 | Lamperi | → |
| 12:47.33 | xand | jgalvin1: no |
| 12:47.39 | xand | bank holidays have little to do with banks |
| 12:48.15 | liable | yes, but very rarely sre banks open on any sort of holiday |
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| 12:49.03 | sander__ | ? |
| 12:49.10 | bahadunn | I dont blame them |
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| 12:49.43 | xand | yeah, they're lazy money grabbing bastards |
| 12:49.58 | xand | would cost too much to open more than minimal hours |
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| 12:51.16 | bahadunn | I'm just lazy I guess |
| 12:51.40 | Trewas | who goes to a bank anyway, they are in the interwebs nowadays |
| 12:51.51 | bahadunn | I go once a month |
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| 12:52.18 | liable | to get your pension? |
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| 12:52.24 | Trewas | I think my current count is something like twice in a decade |
| 12:52.24 | bahadunn | nope |
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| 12:52.51 | bahadunn | some of us are not in 1st world countries |
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| 12:53.01 | liable | point |
| 12:54.32 | hark | i go daily |
| 12:54.42 | stew | sander__: you want k7 not k8 |
| 12:55.14 | hark | but then again, i work for one ;) |
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| 12:58.36 | streuner | sander__: please use apt-get |
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| 12:59.55 | stew | streuner: why? |
| 13:00.10 | streuner | because iam not familar with aptitude :-P |
| 13:00.36 | yettenet | :P |
| 13:00.45 | stew | and so he should suffer? |
| 13:00.49 | sander__ | Im installing |
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| 13:01.33 | streuner | stew: it doesn't hurt to work with apt-get or/and dpkg as you can see the other exampel (PerfDave) |
| 13:01.42 | streuner | example even |
| 13:02.12 | stew | streuner: what does perfdave have to do with it? |
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| 13:04.24 | streuner | stew: scroll up and re-read it again :-) |
| 13:04.36 | stew | streuner: ok, and? |
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| 13:04.48 | stevepastelan | Hi everybody |
| 13:04.55 | stevepastelan | Why does my screen bark at me? |
| 13:05.03 | raf256 | stevepastelan: lol |
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| 13:05.05 | stevepastelan | (Especially when I make mistakes and use backspace?) |
| 13:05.07 | liable | its hungry! |
| 13:05.11 | stevepastelan | ahh |
| 13:05.14 | stevepastelan | what do I feed it |
| 13:05.21 | liable | !bell |
| 13:05.21 | dpkg | from memory, bell is "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. or "set bell-style none" in ~/.inputrc |
| 13:05.22 | raf256 | stevepastelan: because some 1990's style geeks want to force users to go use other distro |
| 13:05.26 | sander__ | ready |
| 13:05.28 | sander__ | installed |
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| 13:05.30 | stew | streuner: you mean becuase of this problem that perfdave is having which MIGHT be a bug, nobody should use aptitude? should we write the release team and tell them to change the release notes? should we start changing all of the factoids? |
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| 13:05.51 | raf256 | stevepastelan: and because my bug report to fix that 1990's style madness was rejected |
| 13:05.53 | sander__ | great |
| 13:06.07 | sander__ | Its installed, the menu.lst (grub) is updated too |
| 13:06.11 | sander__ | Its very nice |
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| 13:06.25 | xand | !craptitude |
| 13:06.27 | Tagor | Hi |
| 13:06.30 | stevepastelan | err, so what do I do? I mean ctrl-h WORKS, but other people might want to use this machine too ;p |
| 13:06.31 | raf256 | Hi Im debian xterminal, I am so user frieBEEEP omg what was thaBEEEEEEP jesus make is stoBEEEP, omg lets go use windows! BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP and quick! |
| 13:06.35 | enouf | sander__: some semprons are k8, but don't worry about it |
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| 13:06.40 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@unaffiliated/raf256] by stew |
| 13:06.40 | *** mode/#debian [-o stew] by stew |
| 13:06.40 | streuner | stew: aptitude seems to have a big lobby in Debian. Anyway, that's not what iam saying... I said it doesn't hurd to use apt-get and/or dpkg as well. |
| 13:06.56 | Tagor | I am trying to setup two USB laserprinters in Debian/cups. But I always get this error when printing something: Error: client-error-not-possible |
| 13:06.58 | sander__ | enouf: How do I discover if my one is k8 ? |
| 13:07.02 | stew | streuner: what does perfdave have to do with sander__ installing a kernel? |
| 13:07.03 | Tagor | Anyone an idea how to get this working? |
| 13:07.20 | stew | stevepastelan: hit ctrl-a ctrl-g to toggle visual/audio bell |
| 13:07.26 | enouf | sander__: cpu id tags, google |
| 13:07.26 | streuner | stew: in case sander__ would ever use testing or unstable? |
| 13:07.48 | streuner | he might be in future... |
| 13:08.16 | stew | streuner: so you are saying that anyone who might at some point decide to start using testing or unstable should stop using aptitude now? |
| 13:08.22 | sander__ | Ive used debian since sarge, but Im so beginner in that |
| 13:08.38 | enouf | sander__: start here http://fab51.com/index-e.html |
| 13:08.49 | stevepastelan | stew: thank you, now it barks out loud, but still refuses to backspace ;p |
| 13:08.50 | streuner | stew: well, that bug looks ugly and its nasty. Experienced users have might no problems |
| 13:09.15 | enouf | sander__: you're better of with k7 anyways |
| 13:09.33 | liable | stew: wasnt that a bit heavy handed for a comment that wasnt even derogetory or anything? |
| 13:09.53 | streuner | stew: i don't stop using Debian, because i'll find a bug in Debian :-) |
| 13:10.22 | sander__ | Im know a few things in linux box, I used many others linux, but I really loved debian since first time (2005) |
| 13:10.24 | Tagor | Nobody? :( |
| 13:10.40 | stew | stevepastelan: what do you mean 'refuses to backspace' |
| 13:10.41 | sander__ | But my use doesnt include advanced functions |
| 13:10.53 | \amethyst | Tagor: http://www.cups.org/articles.php?L291+I0+TFAQ+M10+P1+Q |
| 13:11.04 | xand | Tagor: http://www.cups.org/articles.php?L291+I0+TFAQ+M10+P1+Q |
| 13:11.05 | xand | bah |
| 13:11.13 | \amethyst | heh |
| 13:11.45 | \amethyst | dpkg, client-error-not-possible is at http://www.cups.org/articles.php?L291+I0+TFAQ+M10+P1+Q |
| 13:11.45 | dpkg | okay, \amethyst |
| 13:11.58 | stevepastelan | stew: pressing backspace does not erase my mistakes nor move the cursor. I am connected through ssh. This happens in putty (Windows) and apple terminal (os x) |
| 13:12.03 | Tagor | I cna say 'NO' to everything except this one: Trying to print a file when you have exceeded your quota |
| 13:12.03 | Tagor | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:12.12 | Tagor | But I have no idea how to set the quota |
| 13:12.14 | stevepastelan | stew: backspace works normally without screen |
| 13:12.20 | Tagor | Actually I don't even want quotas |
| 13:12.22 | \amethyst | stevepastelan: what does ctrl-v backspace generate ? |
| 13:12.25 | xand | unless you have set quotas it's probably not that |
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| 13:12.42 | Tagor | I haven't set them as far as I know |
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| 13:13.05 | stevepastelan | amethyst: ^[[3~ |
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| 13:14.06 | sander__ | I will restart to test new kernel |
| 13:14.13 | sander__ | I will back |
| 13:14.45 | \amethyst | stevepastelan: Looks like screen is making backspace generate the escape sequence for delete |
| 13:14.59 | stevepastelan | oh! |
| 13:15.01 | stevepastelan | that checks out |
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| 13:15.19 | stevepastelan | How do I correct its ways? |
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| 13:16.10 | \amethyst | stevepastelan: do you have anything in your .screenrc ? |
| 13:17.05 | stevepastelan | ls: /home/stas/.screenrc: No such file or directory |
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| 13:17.59 | xoz | stevepastelan: http://grml.org/files/config/screenrc |
| 13:18.03 | Sander98 | Ready, I installed kernel k7 |
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| 13:19.52 | enouf | Sander98: yo |
| 13:19.54 | modern | hey |
| 13:19.59 | p0seidon | yo |
| 13:20.11 | enouf | Sander98: /msg dpkg whats my hardware |
| 13:20.21 | enouf | Sander98: and see http://www.amdcompare.com/us-en/desktop/ |
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| 13:20.49 | stevepastelan | xoz: that does some fancy stuff |
| 13:20.53 | enouf | Sander98: if your's is a mobile, then you'll have to complain to amd.com about how bad their site sucks ass |
| 13:20.53 | stevepastelan | but crashes pretty fast |
| 13:21.10 | stevepastelan | I can paste in #flood if you like |
| 13:21.12 | stevepastelan | it's 3 lines |
| 13:21.30 | stevepastelan | but basically quits with [screen is terminating] right away |
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| 13:22.00 | Sander98 | my is 754 socket |
| 13:22.04 | xoz | stevepastelan: just put comment on some parts... the key bindings are the most important |
| 13:22.07 | stevepastelan | oh, I see why, I don't have zsh |
| 13:22.16 | stevepastelan | backspace still beeps |
| 13:22.17 | xoz | stevepastelan: change to bash |
| 13:22.37 | stevepastelan | yeah, I did, and now I get ^[[3~ for backspace again |
| 13:22.45 | enouf | ewww |
| 13:22.51 | Sander98 | Semprom 3000+ |
| 13:22.57 | stevepastelan | but that statusbar is xTREEM |
| 13:23.00 | Sander98 | 128kb cache |
| 13:23.03 | xoz | stevepastelan: disable by: set bell-style none |
| 13:23.10 | xoz | stevepastelan: in .inputrc |
| 13:23.18 | enouf | atleast my 754 is not a sempron, but an amd64 3000 |
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| 13:23.29 | Sander98 | ?????????? |
| 13:23.32 | Sander98 | really ? |
| 13:23.32 | xoz | stevepastelan: ctrl-h |
| 13:23.37 | stevepastelan | xoz: the bell doesn't bother me |
| 13:23.38 | Sander98 | I was sold as semprom |
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| 13:23.42 | Sander98 | *it |
| 13:23.48 | stevepastelan | ctrl-h worked from the start, but I'd like to fix this ;p |
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| 13:23.57 | E-bola | Should i take a backup of /sys when i backup my debian system? |
| 13:24.07 | enouf | athlon i guess they call the even the 64s, just not XP, like they used to , for what reason? $(DEITY) only knows |
| 13:24.11 | xoz | stevepastelan: $TERM is set to what? |
| 13:24.17 | enouf | s/the/them |
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| 13:24.33 | Growly | anyone know if hostapd works with atheros chips yet? |
| 13:24.35 | xoz | stevepastelan: grml by the way is debian-based but very cool cli for admin |
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| 13:24.46 | liable | Growly: i had it working |
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| 13:25.01 | stevepastelan | 'xterm-color' outside of screen, 'screen' in screen |
| 13:25.04 | enouf | ssuguly: use their guide with your favorite bloated browser |
| 13:25.05 | liable | Growly: have you checked the docs section at madwifi.org? |
| 13:25.15 | enouf | ssuguly: my bad tab .. |
| 13:25.16 | liable | Growly: theres also #madwifi |
| 13:25.37 | liable | Growly: they have a doc for hostapd and madwifi |
| 13:26.45 | h3sp4wn | Growly: Its been working with madwifi for ages (as long as the headers that both madwifi and hostapd are compiled with match it works fine) |
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| 13:27.15 | Growly | ok, thanks |
| 13:27.23 | Growly | last time i tried was ~ 2 years ago |
| 13:27.37 | xoz | stevepastelan: try this: http://palmesian.homelinux.net/~ppalmes/inputrc ... copy to ~/.inputrc... make a backup of your .inputrc |
| 13:27.57 | omri | how do I generate a kernel .deb package identical to debian's? I just want to apply a patch, I don't want to edit any configurations |
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| 13:28.29 | Sander98 | enouf: just a question |
| 13:28.42 | zmotok | hello, i know this is offtopic but.. is there anyone that speaks german that can help me with a small translation? |
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| 13:28.48 | xoz | omri: /msg dpkg kp |
| 13:28.54 | Sander98 | I had installed and working my webcam, now in this kernel, I will need install againg? |
| 13:28.57 | omri | thanks |
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| 13:29.11 | xoz | zmotok: babelfish |
| 13:29.14 | stevepastelan | xoz: result is no bell, but still no backspace, still ^[[3~ |
| 13:29.19 | E-bola | Should i take a backup of /sys when i backup my debian system? |
| 13:29.22 | zmotok | xoz doesn't work for german, too many composed words |
| 13:29.37 | xoz | zmotok: you said small trans :) |
| 13:29.39 | h3sp4wn | E-bola: No |
| 13:29.43 | enouf | Sander98: yours is not 64 bit |
| 13:29.50 | zmotok | yes, well the one word that is composed i can't translate |
| 13:29.53 | Sander98 | ummm.... |
| 13:29.56 | E-bola | h3sp4wn: know where i can read about whats under /sys precisely? |
| 13:29.58 | \amethyst | zmotok: So what's that word? |
| 13:29.59 | xoz | stevepastelan: is it debian on the both ends? |
| 13:30.00 | Sander98 | What should I do then ?? |
| 13:30.01 | E-bola | it apears to be a list of hardware devices |
| 13:30.02 | enouf | Sander98: not at all |
| 13:30.07 | zmotok | Nachrückerin |
| 13:30.12 | Sander98 | back to 486? |
| 13:30.15 | enouf | Sander98: k7 is for you |
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| 13:30.18 | enouf | no |
| 13:30.56 | stevepastelan | xoz: debian running screen, I'm sshing in, but all clients do this (tried putty on Win32 and Apple Terminal and iTerm on OS X) |
| 13:31.16 | Sander98 | ok, I will keep K7 ! |
| 13:31.28 | xoz | stevepastelan: debian etch? |
| 13:31.39 | stevepastelan | xoz: supposedly |
| 13:31.55 | stevepastelan | where does it say? |
| 13:31.59 | h3sp4wn | E-bola: Nowhere in one place - look in the |
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| 13:32.23 | h3sp4wn | E-bola: Documentation directory tree inside the kernel source |
| 13:32.23 | enouf | wonderful http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=linux-image-2.8.18-4-k7&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all |
| 13:32.27 | xoz | stevepastelan: check /etc/sources.list |
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| 13:32.35 | stevepastelan | yup, etch. |
| 13:32.40 | enouf | Sander98: you can jeep both ;-) |
| 13:32.44 | enouf | er keep* |
| 13:32.54 | omri | xoz, that doesn't say anything about preserving the old configurations; will make oldconfig do the trick? |
| 13:33.01 | xoz | stevepastelan: you ssh from your local machine which is debian also? |
| 13:33.18 | h3sp4wn | E-bola: It is dynamically generated though |
| 13:33.20 | stevepastelan | xoz: no, I ssh from a Windows and from an OS X machine. |
| 13:33.24 | xoz | omri: yes. do make oldconfig if you copied you oldconfig |
| 13:33.35 | stevepastelan | xoz: backspace works fine outside of screen |
| 13:33.43 | omri | /etc/config-version -> /usr/src/linux/.config ? |
| 13:33.52 | Sander98 | Ok. But I will need to install my webcam in this kernel too |
| 13:34.07 | DawnLight | how do i delete everything after cursor in vim? |
| 13:34.15 | Riga | don't know |
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| 13:34.19 | stevepastelan | Dawn: D |
| 13:34.27 | DawnLight | thanks |
| 13:34.29 | xoz | stevepastelan: iterm has an option in prefs about it. goto window setting in apple menu of terminal |
| 13:34.30 | Zjao | Can you setup a domain with Debian? |
| 13:34.48 | stevepastelan | also can 'C'hange everything after cursor (delete to end of line and put you in insert mode) |
| 13:34.51 | \amethyst | zmotok: I'm not a native speaker of German, but maybe something like "appointee" or "candidate"? |
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| 13:35.09 | enouf | doh .. 2.8 kernel .. lol http://packages.debian.org/stable/admin/linux-image-2.6.18-4-k7 |
| 13:35.23 | xoz | stevepastelan: goto keyboard, and check 1) use option key as meta key, 2) delete key sends backspace |
| 13:35.41 | enouf | Sander98: you shouldn't have an issue .. inless you're using proprietary blobs |
| 13:35.59 | Sander98 | my webcam is not working anymore |
| 13:36.44 | Sander98 | when, I think I need to install it again |
| 13:36.44 | zmotok | amethyst: hmm.. fits i think, thanks! |
| 13:36.45 | enouf | Sander98: /msg dpkg which driver |
| 13:36.45 | stevepastelan | xoz: do you mean iTerm or Apple Terminal? |
| 13:36.52 | \amethyst | zmotok: "successor" or "replacement" |
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| 13:36.55 | xoz | stevepastelan: ah, apple terminal |
| 13:36.59 | enouf | !tell Sander98 -about selftell |
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| 13:37.11 | DawnLight | stevenpastelan: D stops at end of line. i want until end of page |
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| 13:37.37 | Sander98 | I will look for drivers |
| 13:37.37 | xoz | stevepastelan: but maybe, iterm has that option. iterm is very slow compared to apple term that's why is removed it. |
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| 13:38.16 | zmotok | amethyst: successor is the one, thanks again |
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| 13:38.49 | stevepastelan | xoz: wow, that worked |
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| 13:38.51 | Sander98 | Bus 001 Device 002: ID 041e:403a Creative Technology, Ltd WebCam NX Pro 2 |
| 13:38.56 | Sander98 | this is my device |
| 13:39.04 | xoz | !congratulate stevepastelan |
| 13:39.04 | dpkg | Woohoo stevepastelan, you did it! |
| 13:39.20 | stevepastelan | Who would have known that 'Delete key sends backspace' doesn't change the behavior of the delete key, but makes backspace work? ;) |
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| 13:39.36 | \amethyst | DawnLight: d<ctrl-end> |
| 13:39.49 | khronos | Anyone help me with an openswan problem? |
| 13:39.50 | DawnLight | thanks |
| 13:39.56 | \amethyst | DawnLight: that won't work in a terminal, but you can remap something to ctrl-end |
| 13:40.00 | xoz | stevepastelan: but the fancy screen is also cool! |
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| 13:40.43 | xoz | stevepastelan: delet n apple means delete a char, not to move to the left. |
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| 13:41.58 | DawnLight | yes, i've noticed it doesn't work :-/. what do you mean remap? like in # in html? |
| 13:42.01 | perlmonkey | afternoon guys |
| 13:42.18 | DawnLight | hi perlmonkey |
| 13:42.19 | perlmonkey | does anyone have anything good/bad to say about xfs filesystem |
| 13:42.26 | perlmonkey | hi DawnLight |
| 13:42.48 | DawnLight | how about have no idea what xfs filesystem is |
| 13:42.50 | perlmonkey | I am considering switching from ext3 to xfs on my server |
| 13:42.57 | perlmonkey | oh |
| 13:43.07 | perlmonkey | its a filesystem more orientated towards servers |
| 13:43.14 | stevepastelan | ah |
| 13:43.17 | stevepastelan | ty for the help xoz :)) |
| 13:43.23 | DawnLight | has it anything to do with ntfs? |
| 13:43.29 | sep | perlmonkey, not realy. |
| 13:43.30 | perlmonkey | no |
| 13:43.38 | perlmonkey | sep: ? |
| 13:43.46 | jetscreamer | one need a ups with xfs |
| 13:43.48 | sep | perlmonkey, but it is a filesystem oriented towards HUGE FILES |
| 13:43.50 | jetscreamer | needs |
| 13:43.52 | DawnLight | oh the fs stands for silesystem |
| 13:44.05 | tarzeau | bug-- |
| 13:44.05 | sep | perlmonkey, if you have files >50GB each you can consider xfs :) |
| 13:44.06 | \amethyst | DawnLight: :map <F11> <C-End> |
| 13:44.09 | sep | and yes ups is critical |
| 13:44.14 | \amethyst | DawnLight: that will make F11 behave like Ctrl-end |
| 13:44.16 | Zjao | Do they have a differnt carrer field just programming for the Operating Systems and Software than programming for firmware and hardwware and are they equal just as hard? |
| 13:44.20 | sep | but a server often have ups anyway so :) |
| 13:44.22 | perlmonkey | sep: so it's not useful for servers with lots of small files? |
| 13:44.40 | jetscreamer | jfs good |
| 13:44.50 | sep | perlmonkey, no i'd use ext3 with dir_indexs on for that |
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| 13:45.08 | perlmonkey | ups is not necessary for xfs, but you lose data if you lose power during a write process, but that happens on most filesystems anyway eh |
| 13:45.29 | cydork | perlmonkey: nope |
| 13:45.31 | peasset | hi , i have that problem with vlc, what does it mean? "warning: Profile value 2 is forbidden (and WMV3 Complex Profile is unsupported)" |
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| 13:45.46 | drexxi | hi dudes |
| 13:45.51 | peasset | ji |
| 13:45.56 | peasset | hi |
| 13:46.00 | peasset | lol |
| 13:46.05 | cydork | !enter |
| 13:46.05 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. (Remember, the less you annoy us, the more help you're likely to get.) |
| 13:46.11 | perlmonkey | sheesh |
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| 13:46.33 | drexxi | is there something like rc.conf in debian where the start of all daemons is? |
| 13:46.55 | perlmonkey | from what i have read, xfs seems to be superior to ext3 for a server environment, regardless of file size |
| 13:47.34 | abrotman | !fs comparison |
| 13:47.34 | dpkg | it has been said that filesystem comparison is http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ or http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html |
| 13:47.40 | DawnLight | is the module i2c-sis96x built into the kernels? |
| 13:47.40 | perlmonkey | performance wise, and in terms of scalability |
| 13:47.54 | jetscreamer | DawnLight: as a module yes |
| 13:48.00 | jetscreamer | in a stock |
| 13:48.06 | jetscreamer | kernel |
| 13:48.18 | DawnLight | We will now try to load each adapter module in turn. |
| 13:48.18 | DawnLight | Load `i2c-sis96x' (say NO if built into your kernel)? (YES/no): |
| 13:48.42 | jetscreamer | DawnLight: it's gets autoloaded here by udev or whatever |
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| 13:48.57 | drexxi | can somebody tell me which file starts the daemons in debian? |
| 13:48.59 | jetscreamer | try yes can't hurt |
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| 13:49.06 | DawnLight | right |
| 13:49.16 | stevepastelan | wait Dawnlight I missed that thing |
| 13:49.21 | stevepastelan | you want to delete to the end of page? |
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| 13:49.27 | DawnLight | perlmonkey: have fun and good luck |
| 13:49.29 | stevepastelan | as in, to the end of what's visible? or to the end of the file? |
| 13:49.33 | perlmonkey | drexxi: /etc/init.d/networking start|restart ? |
| 13:49.47 | perlmonkey | DawnLight: thanks, im still at the filesystem stage right now |
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| 13:50.07 | perlmonkey | its a choice between xfs v ext3 |
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| 13:50.13 | paql | hola |
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| 13:50.30 | DawnLight | until the end of the file, stevepastelan |
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| 13:51.04 | stevepastelan | dG |
| 13:51.09 | stevepastelan | to delete what's visible, dL |
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| 13:51.29 | DawnLight | perlmonkey, perhaps #networking? i've gotten good help there |
| 13:51.43 | perlmonkey | ya |
| 13:52.04 | stevepastelan | Dawnlight: dG will delete to the end of the file by line |
| 13:52.29 | stevepastelan | if you want it to delete to the end of the current line, and then the rest of the lines, like me, you can add this line to your .vimrc |
| 13:52.38 | DawnLight | have been playing alot vim, have we, stevepastelan :) |
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| 13:52.48 | BambiX | hi all |
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| 13:53.10 | stevepastelan | nnoremap dG mzoa<Esc>`zDjdG`z |
| 13:53.16 | sep | perlmonkey, i have not seen serious benchmarks for filesystems. only micro benchmarcs of the performance issues. but none that do long term testst with identical setups. where they look at reliability/stability and recoverability. |
| 13:53.20 | stevepastelan | lol yeah just a tad |
| 13:53.26 | nescius | wow, i compiled the kernel and it actually works! i am going to like this debian :) |
| 13:53.32 | stevepastelan | I live in vi |
| 13:53.37 | jetscreamer | jfs |
| 13:53.39 | perlmonkey | sep: ok |
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| 13:53.56 | nescius | ..finally, for about 8th faulty tries |
| 13:54.16 | liable | !which fs |
| 13:54.31 | jetscreamer | !fsliable |
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| 13:54.44 | jetscreamer | !bestfs |
| 13:54.47 | jetscreamer | j/k |
| 13:55.07 | liable | erm |
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| 13:55.31 | perlmonkey | hi liable |
| 13:55.36 | liable | that didnt come out quite right |
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| 13:55.40 | liable | hola perlmonkey |
| 13:55.45 | perlmonkey | :) |
| 13:56.01 | \amethyst | stevepastelan: nnoremap dG d<C-End> is even simpler, and doesn't trash a register |
| 13:56.14 | perlmonkey | it is hard to decide stuff sometimes |
| 13:56.27 | perlmonkey | without the benefit of hindsight or experience |
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| 13:56.50 | perlmonkey | perhaps i should stick with ext3, better the devil you know etc |
| 13:56.53 | liable | perlmonkey: ext3 is always a sane default unless you have a good reason to use another |
| 13:57.02 | perlmonkey | ok i will stay with ext3 |
| 13:57.03 | DawnLight | nescius: only thing i don't like about debian is the logo |
| 13:57.22 | perlmonkey | if there is any performance benefit to be had in xfs, i doubt its going to be major anyway eh |
| 13:57.43 | wols | perlmonkey: 9 out of 10 times at least, you will never notice |
| 13:57.47 | jetscreamer | i didn't like the inodes taking up gigs with ext3 and a large drive |
| 13:57.48 | liable | DawnLight: you dont like the swirl thing? |
| 13:57.49 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 13:57.59 | stevepastelan | \amethyst: you're too right! |
| 13:58.02 | DawnLight | it looks like blood to me |
| 13:58.05 | sep | jetscreamer, make fewer inodes ? |
| 13:58.05 | perlmonkey | thanks guys |
| 13:58.17 | jetscreamer | sep: i just used whatever defaults |
| 13:58.20 | \amethyst | stevepastelan: or even noremap G <C-End> to affect all operations, not just d |
| 13:58.27 | wols | jetscreamer: does reiser or xfs use less meta information? |
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| 13:58.42 | jetscreamer | wols: no idea never used either |
| 13:58.47 | sep | perlmonkey, you might also look at the mkfs options and the mount optins for ext3 since you can tune it in countless ways. |
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| 13:59.05 | perlmonkey | sep: cool thanks |
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| 13:59.20 | jetscreamer | wols: jfs has been great so far afaict |
| 13:59.28 | wols | never used it |
| 13:59.30 | stevepastelan | \amethyst: yeah! |
| 13:59.33 | wols | mainly reiser and xfs here |
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| 13:59.40 | chocholina | enridis: but not i'm? |
| 13:59.44 | jetscreamer | wols: well it works... bout all i can really say |
| 13:59.49 | chocholina | can i ask? |
| 13:59.51 | sep | i used reiser 2 times and had data corruption within 3 years on both |
| 13:59.55 | chocholina | fido =)) |
| 13:59.56 | fido2 | hello mans |
| 13:59.57 | wols | like any others I tried. including reiser :) |
| 14:00.02 | sep | never will i use reiser again it's simply not worth it. |
| 14:00.03 | enridis | peace 2 all |
| 14:00.03 | nescius | DawnLight, still better than perhaps mandrivas' there are two things i like about gentoo, the logo and their manuals |
| 14:00.08 | plyusomet | hi everybody! |
| 14:00.11 | fido2 | debian rolet |
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| 14:00.18 | abrotman | !br |
| 14:00.18 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 14:00.21 | wols | sep: I use it for several years now with my / which also has my mailspool |
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| 14:00.27 | plyusomet | fido2: #debilian-russian |
| 14:00.37 | \amethyst | There's also OmniCppComplete, but it's not perfect |
| 14:00.38 | wols | I had corruption with a few files reently in xfs however |
| 14:00.38 | \amethyst | doh |
| 14:00.40 | jetscreamer | i surfed some reviews and whatnot, came up with the idea that jfs was best choice for me as an alternative to ext |
| 14:00.44 | liable | !abrotmoo |
| 14:00.44 | dpkg | maaaan! I am abrotmoo, hear me man, I weigh twice as much as moon, I'm a man, eating grass, factoid gas comes out my ass. I'm a man, you are too; join us all! type !moo. |
| 14:00.46 | tarzeau | are there any BASIC programmers? |
| 14:00.51 | abrotman | tarzeau: wtf |
| 14:00.53 | plyusomet | where we can find #debian-russian-not-gays? |
| 14:00.56 | abrotman | liable: hi |
| 14:00.57 | perlmonkey | hehe |
| 14:01.02 | tarzeau | liable: that was fun :) |
| 14:01.03 | fido2 | but for what reassons i need it ? |
| 14:01.04 | abrotman | !tell plyusomet about gay |
| 14:01.04 | wols | tarzeau: too many. #vb is that way over there btw :P |
| 14:01.06 | jetscreamer | tarzeau: i took a class 30 years ago does that count? |
| 14:01.13 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: sure! |
| 14:01.14 | \amethyst | tarzeau: What dialect? |
| 14:01.16 | jetscreamer | he said basic, not vb |
| 14:01.24 | tarzeau | \amethyst: gwbasic, qbasic |
| 14:01.25 | DawnLight | how do i configure debian to automatically move all mosquitoes out the window? |
| 14:01.28 | nescius | sep, well, you can recover your data with that easily, something which you are unable with ext3 |
| 14:01.28 | wols | vb s a basic. of sorts |
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| 14:01.32 | tarzeau | wols: there's #freebasic |
| 14:01.37 | nescius | sep, i mean deleted |
| 14:01.37 | jetscreamer | yeah but |
| 14:01.38 | \amethyst | tarzeau: I did QuickBasic once upon a time |
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| 14:01.52 | tarzeau | \amethyst: you know debian gets www.freebasic.net :) ? |
| 14:01.52 | \amethyst | tarzeau: and Microsoft Integer Basic for the Apple II |
| 14:01.53 | fido2 | pero no me |
| 14:01.56 | sep | nescius, backups ! |
| 14:02.03 | fido2 | êñòàòè , íàõóÿ âû òóò âñå òàêèå ïåòóõè òî ? |
| 14:02.06 | fido2 | îé íå òî âîîáùå ÷åòî âðîäå |
| 14:02.07 | plyusomet | íî íå ÿ? |
| 14:02.11 | plyusomet | ïèäîðàñû! |
| 14:02.12 | liable | fido2: english |
| 14:02.14 | jetscreamer | !ru |
| 14:02.14 | dpkg | rumour has it, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
| 14:02.15 | fido2 | ÿ õç , à îíè òî íàõóÿ ? |
| 14:02.19 | fido2 | liabli - i mean |
| 14:02.21 | nescius | sep, why dont do backups on reiser then? |
| 14:02.23 | perlmonkey | mosquitos dont like ultrasonic sound |
| 14:02.25 | plyusomet | dpkg: #debian-russian is full of gays |
| 14:02.25 | dpkg | okay, plyusomet |
| 14:02.28 | sep | nescius, i did. |
| 14:02.28 | jduggan_ | hey all, im having terrible times trying to build any nvidia module, http://pastebin.ca/475493 is the build (or not quite) log anyone got any suggestions? |
| 14:02.33 | \amethyst | tarzeau: I don't *currently* do Basic :) |
| 14:02.34 | fido2 | liabli - debian is most interesting distib from all linux clones |
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| 14:02.36 | sep | but datacorruption is different from data loss. |
| 14:02.40 | liable | plyusomet: dont do that |
| 14:02.41 | plyusomet | dpkg: fucking in a asshole all the time |
| 14:02.41 | dpkg | dunno, try without swearing, maybe. :-P |
| 14:02.53 | fido2 | laibi - i think , if i will have nout , i will bring out like whitepower skinhead , and do some splitting |
| 14:03.01 | tarzeau | \amethyst: wouldn't you again, i mean if there was a qbasic compatible basic .. compiler? |
| 14:03.13 | plyusomet | áëÿÿ êóáåéñèê - êîìïàòèáëå |
| 14:03.14 | jelly-home | /shitlist plyusomet |
| 14:03.16 | modern | yo |
| 14:03.18 | liable | !ops plyusomet troll |
| 14:03.18 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: liable complains about: plyusomet troll |
| 14:03.18 | fido2 | )))) |
| 14:03.19 | perlmonkey | ive never seen or been bitten by a mosquito in my life |
| 14:03.20 | sep | since you might have files corupted on your backups and you have to go further and further back to see if the files are ok |
| 14:03.25 | sep | it's simply not worth it |
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| 14:03.31 | \amethyst | tarzeau: No, I wouldn't :) |
| 14:03.42 | \amethyst | tarzeau: I've gotten too used to more powerful programming languages |
| 14:03.44 | plyusomet | liable: don't ras4ehlyay plusomet |
| 14:03.47 | enridis | dpkg, why pplz must join to channel, where users are very angry and its a "closed cominuty with our rules"? |
| 14:03.48 | dpkg | enridis: what are you talking about? |
| 14:03.50 | nescius | sep, right, i had those problems also |
| 14:03.51 | jetscreamer | jduggan_: esp. the second post http://nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=72490 |
| 14:04.02 | plyusomet | ÓÅÁÀÍÛ! |
| 14:04.05 | perlmonkey | all communities must have rules? |
| 14:04.10 | sep | nescius, on reiserfs or ? |
| 14:04.13 | jetscreamer | jduggan_: see also #nvidia |
| 14:04.15 | fido2 | :)) |
| 14:04.16 | RichiH | plyusomet: please stop |
| 14:04.16 | perlmonkey | isnt it |
| 14:04.21 | fido2 | ðóáëåñ ìóáëåñ |
| 14:04.24 | fido2 | äîëëàðåóç |
| 14:04.26 | nescius | sep, reiser sux, and they will squize him in prison for that! ;) |
| 14:04.29 | RichiH | fido2: please stop |
| 14:04.30 | plyusomet | perlmonkey: but not hiding gay-talks on #debian-russian |
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| 14:04.40 | abrotman | plyusomet: STOP |
| 14:04.43 | \amethyst | It wouldn't be so bad if it were Unicode, but KOI-8 looks like crap to most people |
| 14:04.43 | perlmonkey | hey |
| 14:04.43 | liable | RichiH: both of em are trolls |
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| 14:04.49 | plyusomet | abrotman: why? |
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| 14:04.58 | abrotman | plyusomet: you're being a fucking idiot? |
| 14:05.01 | RichiH | plyusomet: because we ask you to :) |
| 14:05.09 | wols | plyusomet: cause you might get trouble otherwise real soon |
| 14:05.09 | plyusomet | abrotman: ðàçüâå ÿ? |
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| 14:05.21 | nescius | heh |
| 14:05.29 | wols | RichiH: you missed one |
| 14:05.37 | abrotman | maybe fido2 will stop |
| 14:05.38 | khronos | w |
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| 14:05.48 | RichiH | wols: i hope fido2 got the message |
| 14:05.53 | wols | abrotman: optimist |
| 14:06.07 | fido2 | abrotman - will stop what ? |
| 14:06.44 | nescius | ban him! ;) |
| 14:06.58 | RichiH | nescius: he said jehova? ;) |
| 14:07.19 | abrotman | wols: seems okay now :) |
| 14:07.46 | perlmonkey | does anyone have any experience with a S3 Savage MX gfx adaptor? I have one in my lappy which is giving very jittery/overlapping pictures in mythtv when playing video |
| 14:08.03 | nescius | no, i said ban him, not stone him to death |
| 14:08.20 | nescius | fido2, talking jibberish? |
| 14:08.26 | abrotman | perlmonkey: /msg dpkg s3 |
| 14:08.31 | fido2 | ÿ äóìàþ âû âñå òâàðè |
| 14:08.34 | fido2 | èç ãëèíû è ïåïëà |
| 14:08.36 | perlmonkey | abrotman thanks |
| 14:08.37 | nescius | bye |
| 14:08.46 | fido2 | è âàì âñåì òóïûì ññàíûì ëèíóêñîèäíûì ïäîðàì |
| 14:08.48 | fido2 | íàäî âñàäèòü õóé â ãëàíäû |
| 14:08.50 | abrotman | fido2: STOP |
| 14:08.53 | fido2 | òàê êàê ÿ íå òàêàÿ ÷òîáû õóåòîé çàíèìòüñÿ |
| 14:08.56 | fido2 | ó ìåíÿ åñòü õóé, îí êðàñíûé |
| 14:08.59 | fido2 | ñòîï òâîé õóé áû÷èé |
| 14:09.01 | fido2 | à ÿ íå òàêàÿ |
| 14:09.02 | jetscreamer | ban him then |
| 14:09.04 | abrotman | fido2: ENGLISH |
| 14:09.06 | nescius | fido2, bye |
| 14:09.06 | fido2 | ò.ê. ìíå ýòî íå íóæíî |
| 14:09.09 | abrotman | !ops fido2 |
| 14:09.10 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: abrotman complains about: fido2 |
| 14:09.10 | fido2 | íåò íåò |
| 14:09.12 | fido2 | òù òù |
| 14:09.13 | fido2 | no no |
| 14:09.15 | Ronin | another day another troll i see |
| 14:09.22 | fido2 | troll ? |
| 14:09.23 | fido2 | i am ? |
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| 14:09.24 | fido2 | not not ! |
| 14:09.27 | perlmonkey | abrotman: damn, i nearly of thanked you, confirmed my fears :P |
| 14:09.29 | jetscreamer | seem to be |
| 14:09.30 | fido2 | a iam ogre ! |
| 14:09.31 | abrotman | fido2: try #debian-br |
| 14:09.33 | fido2 | i mean lenux rolet |
| 14:09.34 | perlmonkey | *neednt |
| 14:09.45 | jetscreamer | that's not portuguese is it? |
| 14:09.50 | jetscreamer | or however you spell it |
| 14:09.52 | fido2 | spanish |
| 14:09.54 | fido2 | pero no me |
| 14:10.03 | abrotman | !br |
| 14:10.03 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 14:10.03 | jetscreamer | that is not spanish |
| 14:10.04 | fido2 | ci qualcuno |
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| 14:10.14 | jetscreamer | cayete guey |
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| 14:10.25 | perlmonkey | portegese? |
| 14:10.29 | jetscreamer | don't think so |
| 14:10.35 | perlmonkey | excuse spelling |
| 14:10.41 | RichiH | enridis: i hope you will not go down the same path |
| 14:10.43 | jetscreamer | i've seen port and it doens't match |
| 14:10.44 | abrotman | perlmonkey: based on his hostmask .. yes |
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| 14:10.50 | Dave_is_sexy | i notice that every deb i install is saved in a cache. ok to delete them, or are they needed for the uninstall? |
| 14:10.58 | enridis | RichiH, you smoke? |
| 14:10.59 | abrotman | Dave_is_sexy: aptitude clean |
| 14:11.02 | jetscreamer | Dave_is_sexy: apt-get clean |
| 14:11.03 | jetscreamer | or that |
| 14:11.06 | RichiH | enridis: no |
| 14:11.14 | Dave_is_sexy | ctrl+a delete? |
| 14:11.20 | jetscreamer | Dave_is_sexy: yes delete themn not needed for uninstall |
| 14:11.23 | abrotman | Dave_is_sexy: aptitude clean |
| 14:11.28 | jetscreamer | apt-get clean or ^^ |
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| 14:11.36 | Dave_is_sexy | ok. ta. :) |
| 14:11.38 | DawnLight | perlmonkey: yeah! |
| 14:11.43 | enridis | RichiH, you like drank? |
| 14:11.47 | abrotman | enridis: stop already |
| 14:12.40 | jetscreamer | see also apt-get autoclean |
| 14:12.40 | enridis | abrotman, i dont understand, why? |
| 14:12.51 | enridis | i wonna spoke with other linux-users |
| 14:12.51 | abrotman | enridis: because you're going to get banned otherwise |
| 14:12.58 | abrotman | enridis: this is not a social channel |
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| 14:13.17 | enridis | abrotman, hehe, i dont speak about _social_ themes, isnt it? |
| 14:13.33 | enridis | i`m not speking< only joing at readin this chanel. |
| 14:13.38 | enridis | ONLY READING! |
| 14:13.47 | abrotman | then shut up and read |
| 14:13.52 | enridis | but what is it? "<RichiH> enridis: i hope you will not go down the same path" |
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| 14:15.08 | enridis | abrotman, try to train your intelegent, welcome to ignore. |
| 14:15.16 | Ronin | heh |
| 14:15.23 | abrotman | jeez |
| 14:15.40 | Dave_is_sexy | how can i view a log of the last start-up? |
| 14:15.47 | abrotman | it's in /var/log/ |
| 14:15.50 | Dave_is_sexy | :) |
| 14:15.52 | RichiH | enridis: i was referring to fido2 and plyusomet |
| 14:16.00 | xand | Dave_is_sexy: dmesg? |
| 14:16.09 | abrotman | and the boot.log perhaps |
| 14:16.13 | enridis | RichiH, and what? its my friends, but its not me. |
| 14:16.27 | abrotman | same behaviour |
| 14:16.38 | Dave_is_sexy | xand. no i'm reading it from windows. sick of sitting on the floor ;-) |
| 14:17.02 | RichiH | enridis: i know, i just wanted to make sure :) |
| 14:17.16 | tarzeau | good stuff http://copy-pasta.com |
| 14:17.42 | enridis | RichiH, i don`t like when pplz think about me without le`rn about me |
| 14:17.48 | Dave_is_sexy | hmm. i have no boot.log and boot says "nothing logged yet" |
| 14:17.57 | cydork | Dave_is_sexy: /msg dpkg bootlog |
| 14:17.58 | jetscreamer | enridis: nobody wants to think about you |
| 14:18.09 | xand | o.O |
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| 14:18.35 | enridis | i don`t know how its world is in english, but in russian its listen as "litcemerie" |
| 14:18.42 | xand | jetscreamer: how unkind! |
| 14:18.52 | Dave_is_sexy | cydork: don't suppose you know where the log file actually is? |
| 14:18.53 | Ronin | xand: but correct none the less |
| 14:19.16 | jetscreamer | xand: i'm sorry... enridis : nobody except xand wants to think about you.... :p j/k dude |
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| 14:19.29 | cydork | Dave_is_sexy: bootlogd is disabled by default |
| 14:19.33 | enridis | people, i have trouble after update gcc on 4.1.3 |
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| 14:19.54 | RichiH | enridis: understandably so. on the other hand, there was a very strong correlation between them and you |
| 14:19.57 | enridis | i have program how compiled with this gcc |
| 14:20.11 | Dave_is_sexy | cydork: oh. i think i need to email somebody about all these defaults |
| 14:20.16 | enridis | after this its program try to run at knoppix with kernel 2.4.29 |
| 14:20.29 | enridis | and i have SIGFPE before callin main |
| 14:20.32 | liable | this wont end well |
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| 14:20.37 | cydork | Dave_is_sexy: huh? |
| 14:20.40 | enridis | what do u think about this? |
| 14:20.44 | xand | enridis: you're using knoppix? |
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| 14:21.35 | enridis | xand, yes, knoppix to, but codding under debian. |
| 14:21.40 | enridis | compiling too |
| 14:21.43 | outlaw_ | is there a way to track what applications a user is starting/using? I am working on seting up freenx and something goes wrong in the some of the start scripts |
| 14:21.46 | xand | with fish? |
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| 14:22.23 | Dave_is_sexy | oh, a quicky while I'm on. I was reading this today: http://linux.ece.uci.edu/RED-Linux/ ...so can i use this? or will nothing work if i do? |
| 14:22.34 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 14:22.49 | HardDisk_WP | how do I find out which scan code one of the extra keys on my keyboard uses? |
| 14:22.59 | sn0 | hi all, trying to compile test.c and getting a segfault, running etch with build-essential installed: pastebin/strace is http://paste.debian.net/27370 |
| 14:23.03 | enouf | drexxi: if nobody has said yet, do these; (one at a time, in your irc client) /msg dpkg rcconf , /msg dpkg sysv-rc-conf , /msg dpkg update-rc.d |
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| 14:23.34 | jair | anyone can recomend me a mirror site to configure my brand new Debian 4.0 :) |
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| 14:23.49 | jair | I am installing through the netinst... |
| 14:24.01 | xand | Dave_is_sexy: who knows, but you can't expect us to fix it if it breaks, as it's not debian |
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| 14:24.06 | sn0 | jair pick one closest to you :) |
| 14:24.15 | jair | that is why it is very importnat good speed, I am in Chicago, IL |
| 14:24.16 | xand | !mirror |
| 14:24.16 | dpkg | it has been said that debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 14:24.41 | jair | but hmmm not always the closest to you is the fastest, some how is not like that. |
| 14:24.51 | Dave_is_sexy | xand: ok. but i can pick a kernel at start up, so it could be interesting. i will try (next week) |
| 14:24.55 | jetscreamer | !apt-spy |
| 14:24.55 | dpkg | i heard apt-spy is a secret! Shh!, or like 'mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' :: apt-get install apt-spy; apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] :: when this finishes it will automatically write to your sources.list so if you have other mirrors there you'll have to "cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak" and fix your sources.list |
| 14:25.13 | enridis | jair, try http://ftp.fi.debian.org/ |
| 14:25.19 | xand | jair: ftp.us.debian.org... we can't test which is fastest for you |
| 14:25.28 | xand | enridis: why would he want one in finland when he's in the US? |
| 14:25.31 | jetscreamer | dpkg: apt-spy is also borked in sid last time i checked |
| 14:25.31 | dpkg | that's too long, jetscreamer |
| 14:25.36 | jetscreamer | i knew that |
| 14:26.01 | enridis | xand, i`m at russain, but finland server working fasterZZ :) |
| 14:26.10 | jair | enridis: it is that fast that even from finland it will fly :) |
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| 14:26.19 | xand | enridis: I see |
| 14:26.24 | jair | enridis: interesting I will try that |
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| 14:26.38 | jair | because I haven't have good experiences with the servers in US |
| 14:26.47 | overnout | jetscreamer: dpkg is a bot |
| 14:26.55 | outlaw_ | is there a way to track what applications a user is starting/using? I am working on seting up freenx and something goes wrong in the some of the start scripts |
| 14:26.57 | jair | we need some goo networking people to help mirrors in the us |
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| 14:27.14 | jetscreamer | overnout: yes... do you know how to append factoids? dpkg blah is also bleh |
| 14:27.22 | jetscreamer | append to |
| 14:27.31 | overnout | i dont think that avrybody is allowed to |
| 14:27.33 | jair | when Debian Sarge came up I was using a mirror from stuttgart Germany veeeeerrryyy fast :) |
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| 14:27.46 | overnout | jetscreamer: tel it to an admin |
| 14:27.52 | jetscreamer | overnout: ? |
| 14:28.01 | overnout | ..no im not an admin |
| 14:28.04 | jetscreamer | overnout: dondelelcaro is the bot owner |
| 14:28.08 | jetscreamer | if that's what you mean |
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| 14:28.20 | overnout | something like that :) |
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| 14:28.32 | overnout | its the channel bot |
| 14:28.33 | jetscreamer | note i'm being very nice |
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| 14:28.41 | jetscreamer | !overnout |
| 14:28.51 | jetscreamer | !overnout is typing |
| 14:28.51 | dpkg | jetscreamer: okay |
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| 14:28.52 | wols | !praise jetscreamer |
| 14:28.53 | jetscreamer | !overnout |
| 14:28.53 | dpkg | it has been said that overnout is typing |
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| 14:28.54 | wols | very nice |
| 14:29.04 | jetscreamer | !overnout is also typing letters |
| 14:29.04 | dpkg | okay, jetscreamer |
| 14:29.06 | cydork | jetscreamer: apt-spy is also blah blah :) |
| 14:29.08 | jetscreamer | !overnout |
| 14:29.08 | dpkg | it has been said that overnout is typing, or typing letters |
| 14:29.13 | jetscreamer | !forget overnout |
| 14:29.26 | overnout | :) |
| 14:29.32 | jetscreamer | omg <dpkg> cannot remove factoid 'overnout', too old. (13640.6035416667>12096) use 'no,' instead |
| 14:29.47 | overnout | !no overnout |
| 14:29.51 | thnee | sometimes when i run apt-get the computer just halts.. ive hade some strange stuff going on lately and im suspecting my disk i failing. however i get nothing in /var/log/messages or dmesg or kern.log so im not sure what else i could check? |
| 14:29.56 | jetscreamer | no, that's not what no does |
| 14:29.58 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 14:30.04 | jetscreamer | no is like a correction |
| 14:30.12 | overnout | ..i dont know :p |
| 14:30.12 | wols | thnee: run smartmontools "smartctl". the LONG test |
| 14:30.13 | jetscreamer | !forget overnout |
| 14:30.15 | kth``laptop | thnee; Tried checking disk smart, if it's capable? |
| 14:30.16 | wols | it checks your whole disk |
| 14:30.30 | wols | also, the manufacturer has some test software |
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| 14:30.47 | jetscreamer | hey i found a bug |
| 14:31.02 | thnee | kth``laptop: is that what wols said? smartmontools? |
| 14:31.02 | wols | jetscreamer: lies! dpkg is perfect. perfect I tell you |
| 14:31.04 | thnee | wols: i will |
| 14:31.08 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 14:31.11 | overnout | :o |
| 14:31.17 | kth``laptop | thnee; Yes |
| 14:31.18 | wols | thnee: yes it's the same |
| 14:31.37 | jetscreamer | !no, overnout is <reply> some guy |
| 14:31.37 | dpkg | jetscreamer: okay |
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| 14:32.17 | thnee | wols: could you give me a complete command you think i should run? |
| 14:32.36 | wols | man smartctl. you need to read its docs to know how to use it |
| 14:32.43 | thnee | k then |
| 14:32.46 | wols | smartctl -t long /dev/device |
| 14:32.52 | thnee | thanks |
| 14:33.09 | wols | SATA is a bit different. needs some parameter I forgot |
| 14:33.23 | thnee | ok, but its ide so it doesnt matter |
| 14:33.29 | thnee | or pata if you will |
| 14:33.45 | wols | might, since in newer kernels everything uses libata now |
| 14:33.52 | thnee | ah |
| 14:33.53 | kth``laptop | Hmm... Can you believe this... Linux wireless drivers -- ipw3945 is actually working better than windows version of it from hp.com that can't keep a wpa connection without dropping out every 3 secs :X |
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| 14:34.11 | jair | xand: just to let you know, the Finland server mirror is amainzingly fast :D wow! |
| 14:34.19 | xand | jair: how fast is that? |
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| 14:34.46 | xand | kth``laptop: if you're using windows, make sure you get the latest driver from intel... it fixes that problem |
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| 14:34.48 | dZen|n| | hey all |
| 14:34.55 | dZen|n| | I have troubles installing headers |
| 14:35.06 | dZen|n| | I use command |
| 14:35.13 | jetscreamer | aptitude install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 14:35.21 | dZen|n| | apt-get install linux-headers- uname -r |
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| 14:35.34 | xand | dZen|n|: you missed the backticks |
| 14:35.37 | jetscreamer | dZen|n|: paste what i typed... use the ` not ' |
| 14:35.41 | jair | well I can say that, I selected the Desktop, print server, and base system for my debian 4.0 netinst and it is so far more than 50% done and will finish I think in about seven minutes |
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| 14:35.58 | jetscreamer | tasksel sucks |
| 14:36.00 | dZen|n| | 'uname -r' <-- like that ` |
| 14:36.05 | jetscreamer | no |
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| 14:36.07 | jetscreamer | ` not ' |
| 14:36.09 | xand | dZen|n|: that's the wrong quotes |
| 14:36.16 | jetscreamer | dZen|n|: ` not ' |
| 14:36.20 | xand | ` is the one above the tab key... at least on english keyboards |
| 14:36.30 | jetscreamer | tilde |
| 14:36.32 | kth``laptop | xand; Hmm... I thought vendor drivers are the best in compatibility to their hardware, I'll go for it when I'll need windows next time, thanks for input |
| 14:36.33 | xand | no |
| 14:36.33 | jetscreamer | but not shift |
| 14:36.35 | xand | it's not tilde |
| 14:36.41 | xand | ~ is tilde! |
| 14:36.48 | jetscreamer | same key but w/o shift |
| 14:36.49 | dZen|n| | ´uname -r´ <- like that ? |
| 14:36.50 | dZen|n| | :d |
| 14:36.54 | jetscreamer | no |
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| 14:36.57 | jetscreamer | ` |
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| 14:37.03 | xand | dZen|n|: no, can't you see this: ``````````````` |
| 14:37.16 | dZen|n| | ´uname -r` <- like that ? |
| 14:37.19 | xand | it slows this way \ |
| 14:37.21 | xand | no! |
| 14:37.25 | jetscreamer | dZen|n|: just copy and paste what i typed |
| 14:37.26 | xand | `uname -r` |
| 14:37.27 | xand | copy and paste |
| 14:37.46 | dZen|n| | can't now I am on win but debian on laptop :D |
| 14:37.47 | jetscreamer | or what he typed |
| 14:38.05 | jetscreamer | ```````````````````````````````````````` not '''''''''''''''''''' or the other |
| 14:38.12 | xand | jetscreamer: tilde is on the hash key :P |
| 14:38.23 | thnee | wols: and i can run this on a disk that im using at the moment? |
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| 14:39.00 | wykis | When I try to start X from console, I get "X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting.". What to do? |
| 14:39.06 | jetscreamer | where is that ´ key anyway |
| 14:39.15 | xand | jetscreamer: question mark? |
| 14:39.22 | jetscreamer | not here |
| 14:39.34 | xand | ´ |
| 14:39.43 | jetscreamer | yeah that one |
| 14:39.45 | dZen|n| | now I get this msg: package linux-headers is not installed |
| 14:39.46 | xand | that? I dunno, don't have a key for it |
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| 14:39.58 | jetscreamer | me neither |
| 14:40.06 | xand | dZen|n|: eh, aren't you installing it? |
| 14:40.15 | dZen|n| | but I typed apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
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| 14:40.50 | dZen|n| | xand: i have istalled it but I need headers to install nvidia driver |
| 14:40.54 | bullium | good morning |
| 14:40.55 | dZen|n| | like this |
| 14:40.58 | jetscreamer | dZen|n|: that command works here all day long |
| 14:41.15 | dZen|n| | apt-get install m-a a-i nvidia |
| 14:41.30 | jetscreamer | eh? |
| 14:41.31 | bullium | has anyone had the issue with NetworkManager Applet not seeing adapters in 4.0? |
| 14:41.32 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 14:42.16 | jetscreamer | dZen|n|: first you apt-get the headers, then you do m-a ... seperate commands |
| 14:42.17 | dZen|n| | and then it ask for linux headers |
| 14:42.32 | dZen|n| | yeah I know that |
| 14:42.38 | dZen|n| | but I can't get headers |
| 14:42.40 | dZen|n| | :( |
| 14:42.44 | wols | why not? |
| 14:42.46 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:43.08 | jetscreamer | dZen|n|: sid? |
| 14:43.13 | dZen|n| | yeah sid |
| 14:43.22 | dZen|n| | I upgraded it to sid from etch :D |
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| 14:43.30 | jetscreamer | dZen|n|: ok now what does uname -r return... |
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| 14:43.49 | jetscreamer | if it doesn't return 2.6.20-whatever well no wonder |
| 14:43.59 | vin` | jetscreamer: fwiw, m-a prepare will get the headers. |
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| 14:44.14 | jetscreamer | vin`: oh didn't know |
| 14:44.17 | dZen|n| | jetscreamer: 2.6.18-4-486 |
| 14:44.26 | jetscreamer | dZen|n|: there is no .18 ion sid |
| 14:44.28 | jetscreamer | in |
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| 14:44.38 | jimbalaya | hello, does anyone know if user-installed modules need to be rebuilt/reinstalled after installing the linux-headers/source/image updates? |
| 14:44.59 | wols | dZen|n|: add etch repositories in your sources.list and try again |
| 14:45.18 | wols | you're still using the installer kernel (you really should update the kernel unless you really use a 486) |
| 14:45.18 | dZen|n| | yesterday I did this: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade && reboot |
| 14:45.31 | wols | jimbalaya: depends how you made your modules |
| 14:45.32 | hark | bullium: have commented out those interfaces from /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 14:45.35 | dZen|n| | after I have edited source.list from etch to sid |
| 14:45.40 | abrotman | or install the linux-image that is actually in sid |
| 14:45.49 | jetscreamer | dZen|n|: kernels aren't automagically upgraded (cept maybe with a metapackage) |
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| 14:45.59 | wols | jimbalaya: if you used m-a you shouldn't need to (works automatically) |
| 14:46.07 | wols | but if you did it manually, then yes |
| 14:46.26 | jimbalaya | wols : thanks |
| 14:46.30 | jetscreamer | abrotman: .20 stock makes me problems |
| 14:46.51 | wols | jetscreamer: it's sid. what did you expect :) |
| 14:47.07 | jetscreamer | wols: to use my custom of course :) |
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| 14:47.17 | dZen|n| | so what shoudl I do now ? |
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| 14:47.25 | dZen|n| | should* |
| 14:47.28 | wols | dZen|n|: follow abrotman's advice. install the sid kernel |
| 14:47.36 | jetscreamer | either add etch to your sources |
| 14:47.38 | wols | dZen|n|: what cpu do you have? |
| 14:47.39 | jetscreamer | i kinda like yours |
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| 14:47.45 | jetscreamer | abrotman's is good too |
| 14:47.48 | jetscreamer | do both |
| 14:47.50 | dZen|n| | 1.6 amd mobile |
| 14:47.57 | jetscreamer | get the -k7 |
| 14:47.57 | wols | dZen|n|: get a k7 kernel then |
| 14:48.06 | wols | apt-cache search linux-image |grep k7 |
| 14:48.13 | jetscreamer | don't let it uninstall your 2.6.18 |
| 14:48.15 | jetscreamer | keep it |
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| 14:48.29 | dZen|n| | ok i try |
| 14:48.33 | jetscreamer | keep a backup/fallback |
| 14:48.34 | dZen|n| | hang on :D |
| 14:48.49 | bullium | hark: the interfaces are not commented out and they work fine, the network monitor tool just doesn't seem to think they are there |
| 14:49.25 | dZen|n| | ok now i have a list of headers |
| 14:49.38 | hark | bullium: then that is not network manager. |
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| 14:49.57 | dZen|n| | should I get this one: linux-image-2.6.18-4-k7 ? |
| 14:50.06 | enouf | linux-image-2.6.20-1-k7 |
| 14:50.13 | hark | can't that be a pentium M? |
| 14:50.18 | bullium | hark: the interfaces need to be commented out for network manager to see them? |
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| 14:50.26 | x_link | dZen|n|: Are you using a AMD processor? |
| 14:50.35 | hark | bullium: read /usr/share/doc/network-manager/ |
| 14:50.36 | dZen|n| | x_link: yeah |
| 14:50.37 | enouf | it could be a mobile sempron |
| 14:50.49 | dZen|n| | no athlon |
| 14:51.01 | x_link | dZen|n|: Okej. I'm using the 2.6.18-4-k7 kernel right now. |
| 14:51.03 | bullium | hark: I will do that and get back to you...thanks |
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| 14:51.15 | x_link | But are you getting that one or 2.6.20-4-k7 ? |
| 14:51.50 | dZen|n| | x_link: so I do this command: apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.18-4-k7 ? |
| 14:52.01 | hark | heh, i read amd as and.. |
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| 14:52.32 | jetscreamer | dZen|n|: you don't have that kernel |
| 14:53.06 | dZen|n| | so what shoudl i do :P |
| 14:53.08 | x_link | dZen|n|: apt-get install linux-image-2.6.20-4-k7. If you want to use that kernel. |
| 14:53.09 | wols | dZen|n|: first install the new kernel then reboot |
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| 14:54.07 | hark | 2,6.20 is probably only an issue if you plan on using the nvidia drivers |
| 14:54.26 | tarzeau | hark: no it's not, works fine |
| 14:54.39 | x_link | hark: Why? |
| 14:54.58 | hark | tarzeau: the paravirt gpl issue is fixed now? |
| 14:55.01 | tarzeau | the nvidia drivers were never an issue to me, but the vmware modules are |
| 14:55.05 | dZen|n| | 2.6.20-4-k7 do not excist |
| 14:55.23 | hark | apt-cache search linux-image |
| 14:55.26 | tarzeau | hark: i don't have debian paravirt kernels |
| 14:55.29 | jetscreamer | it's 3 |
| 14:55.32 | jetscreamer | not 4 |
| 14:55.37 | jetscreamer | iirc |
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| 14:56.07 | bullium | hark, I read the README file in the directory you provided, it only tells me what nm does...I know what it does it is not working...if I run a nm-tool the error I see is "print_devices(): didn't get a reply from NetworkManager. There are no available network devices." |
| 14:56.10 | abrotman | according to pdo .. it's still 2.6.18 |
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| 14:56.31 | abrotman | oh wait |
| 14:56.42 | abrotman | linux-image-2.6.20-1-k7 |
| 14:56.55 | jetscreamer | !info linux-image-2.6.20-3-k7 |
| 14:57.08 | jetscreamer | !info linux-image-2.6.20-2-k7 |
| 14:57.12 | jair | there is bad to add the "contrib, non-free" servers on the source.lst of Debian 4.0 |
| 14:57.15 | jair | ? |
| 14:57.25 | jetscreamer | no it's not |
| 14:57.27 | x_link | !info linux-image-2.6.20-4-k7 |
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| 14:57.31 | jetscreamer | it's non-gpl though |
| 14:57.40 | jetscreamer | !find 2.6.20 |
| 14:57.41 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of '2.6.20' (11 of 38): linux-doc-2.6.20 ;; linux-headers-2.6.20-1 ;; linux-headers-2.6.20-1-486 ;; linux-headers-2.6.20-1-686 ;; linux-headers-2.6.20-1-686-bigmem ;; linux-headers-2.6.20-1-all ;; linux-headers-2.6.20-1-all-i386 ;; linux-headers-2.6.20-1-amd64 ;; linux-headers-2.6.20-1-k7 ;; linux-headers-2.6.20-1-vserver ;; linux-headers-2.6.20-1-vserver-686. |
| 14:57.41 | hark | bullium: "Only devices that are *not* listed in /etc/network/interfaces or which have been configured "auto" and "dhcp" (with no other options) are managed by NM." |
| 14:57.51 | hark | bullium: you read that? |
| 14:58.05 | jair | jetscreamer: I see it will just let me get some packages that are not part of the GNU correct? |
| 14:58.29 | x_link | Should people that use AMD Athlon 64bit processors use Debian amd64 OS? |
| 14:58.31 | bullium | hark, no because it's not in the README |
| 14:58.34 | jetscreamer | jair: yeah or gpl or whatever... doesn't conform to dfsg |
| 14:58.42 | hark | bullium: it is |
| 14:58.43 | jetscreamer | !dfsg |
| 14:58.43 | dpkg | methinks dfsg is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
| 14:58.44 | x_link | Will they gain anything if they use it? |
| 14:59.04 | jair | jetscreamer: Thank you very much |
| 14:59.09 | enouf | deny[all]: clawhammer? |
| 14:59.09 | bullium | hark, I'm sorry to tell you it is not in the README that is on my system |
| 14:59.20 | bullium | hark, but I appreciate the information |
| 14:59.23 | jetscreamer | wtf i KNOW i've seen 2.6.20-2 |
| 14:59.25 | hark | bullium: there's a README.Debian which you should always read first |
| 14:59.44 | x_link | f |
| 14:59.58 | deny[all] | enouf: ? |
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| 15:00.00 | bullium | hark, hmmm gothca I didn't read that README LOL |
| 15:00.03 | hark | bullium: unless you're not running Debian |
| 15:00.09 | jetscreamer | linux-image- 2.6.20-3 2.6.20-3 Linux 2.6.20 image on AMD K7 |
| 15:00.13 | abrotman | jetscreamer: so sayeth pdo! |
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| 15:00.18 | enouf | deny[all]: your cpu |
| 15:00.22 | enouf | core |
| 15:00.23 | bullium | hark, nope I'm running debian...I understand the include the original README and one specific to Debian |
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| 15:00.50 | jetscreamer | Source: linux-2.6 Version: 2.6.20-3 |
| 15:01.05 | jetscreamer | but apt-cache search doesn't return it |
| 15:01.09 | x_link | enouf: Will I gain anything in using Debian amd64 ? |
| 15:01.11 | Jocke | I installed Debian without desktop environment. Now I want to install twm. I did that but I can't start it. It says: twm: unable to open display". what to do? |
| 15:01.22 | x_link | enouf: Or should I continue with Debian 32bit? |
| 15:01.29 | enouf | x_link: likely not, except headaches for you |
| 15:01.36 | bullium | hark, thanks I see what your saying now...that readme is much different than the original... |
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| 15:01.46 | enouf | x_link: you like all that proprietary crap .. right? |
| 15:01.47 | abrotman | jetscreamer: apt-cache search linux-image k7 .. ? |
| 15:01.56 | hark | Jocke: installed xorg? |
| 15:02.24 | x_link | enouf: Okej. I will not get it then |
| 15:02.41 | hark | bullium: np, that's always a good thing to read first after installing anything :) |
| 15:02.45 | deny[all] | enouf: i got an intel :) |
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| 15:02.54 | hark | Jocke: and use startx |
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| 15:03.15 | jetscreamer | linux-image-2.6.20.2 - Linux kernel binary image for version 2.6.20.2 |
| 15:03.23 | abrotman | that can't be right |
| 15:03.23 | jetscreamer | abrotman: linux-image-2.6.20- |
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| 15:03.33 | abrotman | !find linux-image-2.6.20-1-k7 sid |
| 15:03.37 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6.20-1-k7: (Linux 2.6.20 image on AMD K7), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.20-3 (sid), Packaged size: 17233 kB, Installed size: 52608 kB |
| 15:03.40 | jetscreamer | that it will find |
| 15:03.41 | wols | Jocke: apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 15:03.43 | abrotman | !cookie me |
| 15:03.43 | jetscreamer | see |
| 15:03.47 | enouf | * unstable (admin): Linux 2.6.20 image on AMD K7 2.6.20-3: i386 |
| 15:03.49 | jetscreamer | apt-get install xorg |
| 15:03.58 | enouf | Package linux-image-2.6.20-1-k7 |
| 15:03.59 | abrotman | Nergar: cookie me |
| 15:04.02 | abrotman | oh well |
| 15:04.03 | jetscreamer | enouf: dselect or aptitude |
| 15:04.11 | wols | abrotman: no more cookies. or you get too fat |
| 15:04.12 | enouf | apt ;-) |
| 15:04.13 | apt | *^_^* |
| 15:04.13 | bullium | hark, I will do that in the future...I always try to read and research before asking questions...I |
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| 15:04.22 | enouf | haha |
| 15:04.25 | jetscreamer | ~botsnack |
| 15:04.25 | apt | aw, gee, jetscreamer |
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| 15:04.42 | Nergar | ??? |
| 15:05.02 | abrotman | ok |
| 15:05.21 | Nergar | !cookie |
| 15:06.03 | hark | it pulls things based on what you specify |
| 15:06.24 | enouf | deny[all]: hehe .. my bad .. thought you were dZen|n| |
| 15:06.53 | enouf | put DOWN the pipes!, you crackhead ;-P |
| 15:07.25 | deny[all] | enouf: np :) |
| 15:08.31 | infinitesimal | Is dynamic loading of modules supported in etch? Just upgraded sarge ->etch, so now using udev, hal, dbus and friends. Some modules (lp, apm, soundcard) seem to need explicit entry in /etc/modules. hotplug like usb modules work under udev, but I am trying to undertstand whether other modules should be loaded on demand. Help? Pointers? |
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| 15:09.33 | tnt_ | is there any problem with wajig package in unstable ? http://pastebin.ca/475568 |
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| 15:10.56 | enouf | infinitesimal: when you figure it out, be sure and let us know ;-) |
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| 15:11.39 | abrotman | wols: i do not! |
| 15:11.51 | wols | in principle dynamic module loading is supported of course |
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| 15:12.10 | wols | so you already ARE too fat? |
| 15:12.10 | infinitesimal | I have read a lot of documentation on udev, hal and dbus, but without an overview, get lost :-( |
| 15:12.13 | wols | why didn't you say so |
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| 15:12.31 | wols | :P |
| 15:12.35 | enouf | infinitesimal: your initrd, that comes with a stock debian linux-image-XXXX, has all of udev rolled into it already |
| 15:12.47 | abrotman | wols: i don't really eat cookies :) |
| 15:12.57 | enouf | !doughnut abrotman |
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| 15:13.02 | wols | abrotman: playing with food then? even worse |
| 15:13.02 | enouf | bah |
| 15:13.03 | tarzeau | abrotman: you can send them to me |
| 15:13.56 | abrotman | tarzeau: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girl_Scout_cookie#Varieties_of_cookies |
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| 15:14.34 | tarzeau | abrotman: yay! |
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| 15:15.32 | tarzeau | abrotman: never heard of girl scouts, i just want the cookies |
| 15:15.43 | infinitesimal | enouf: yes. That isn't the problem. Under sarge with a static /dev/ directory, if a sound application tried to open a /dev/sound file, the kernal issued a modprobe request and the the relevant modules got loaded. Dynamically, not necessarily at boot time. |
| 15:15.54 | Hoxzer | well, define girl scouts. Do you mean somekind of bigger organization or just a scouts that are girls? |
| 15:16.31 | jetscreamer | you don't know about the girl scouts of america? |
| 15:16.33 | abrotman | Hoxzer: see above URL |
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| 15:16.51 | enouf | infinitesimal: see alsa |
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| 15:17.02 | Hoxzer | no, we dont have coockieslike that |
| 15:17.05 | jetscreamer | it's like the boy scouts of america but different |
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| 15:17.11 | infinitesimal | enouf> infinitesimal: see alsa |
| 15:17.11 | infinitesimal | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:17.13 | infinitesimal | enouf> infinitesimal: see alsa |
| 15:17.13 | infinitesimal | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:17.14 | jetscreamer | my wife loves those gsa cookies |
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| 15:17.21 | abrotman | Hoxzer: i meant see the link in that article about girl scouts |
| 15:17.29 | abrotman | Hoxzer: should be near the top |
| 15:17.33 | enouf | erm .. |
| 15:17.35 | Hoxzer | I dont reach such useless things. |
| 15:17.36 | Hoxzer | :D |
| 15:17.42 | jetscreamer | read? |
| 15:17.47 | Hoxzer | yeah |
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| 15:17.50 | abrotman | infinitesimal: udev works somewhat differently .. if you need the DSP devices .. put that module in your /etc/modules .. |
| 15:18.03 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
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| 15:18.25 | enouf | nice nick |
| 15:18.26 | Fox_1_ | witch player play wma files? |
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| 15:18.35 | abrotman | !w32codecs |
| 15:18.35 | dpkg | w32codecs is probably a non-free package that is not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. The package provides codecs for several multimedia formats, such as AVI, Realmedia, and Windows Media. To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia> |
| 15:18.51 | enouf | dorothy? |
| 15:18.56 | enouf | that witch? |
| 15:19.19 | infinitesimal | enouf: I have looked at the also docs as well. Sound was just an example. It is a general issue. How does udev handle dynamic loading in general or is it impossible in principle? |
| 15:19.22 | jetscreamer | Segmentation fault in apt-spy in sid |
| 15:19.27 | jetscreamer | still borked |
| 15:19.43 | abrotman | infinitesimal: AIUI .. it just looks for devices and loads the modules |
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| 15:19.56 | abrotman | infinitesimal: might have some docs in /usr/share/doc/udev/ |
| 15:20.08 | enouf | !udev rules |
| 15:20.08 | dpkg | file:///usr/share/doc/udev/writing_udev_rules/index.html |
| 15:20.11 | Fox_1_ | in my repository i have not w32codecs package |
| 15:20.25 | jetscreamer | !tell Fox_1_ -about marillat |
| 15:20.44 | enouf | and http://webcvs.freedesktop.org/hal/hal/doc/spec/hal-spec.html?content-type=text%2Fplain&view=co have fun |
| 15:20.50 | infinitesimal | abrotman: Yes I have done exactly that. But the udev documentation suggested that dynamic loading might also be supported perhaps in conjunction with hal. But it wasn't clear, hence my question here. |
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| 15:21.10 | enouf | then install the dbus docs .. and let the partayyyyyy begin |
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| 15:21.50 | enouf | infinitesimal: as you can see, i have no friggin iea .. ;-) |
| 15:21.55 | enouf | er idea* |
| 15:22.07 | jelly-home | infinitesimal: udev loads everything it can... if you hot plug a device at some later time, it's supposed to load the driver then |
| 15:22.17 | HostilePenguin | i have a sata disk with linux installed i installed linux on an ata drive and edited menu.lst on sata when i choose the ide drive from grubboot loader i get this is not a bootable drive insert a bootable folppy hit any key to retry when i hit any key and it boots fine? |
| 15:22.41 | infinitesimal | abrotman: I have read the udev documentation. It has a reputation for being less than clear :-) |
| 15:23.12 | enouf | infinitesimal: i know udev uses the repo in /dev/.static/dev and creates a temporary node for the device(s) as it finds and probes them, or somesuch .. maybe that's just usb specific though |
| 15:23.23 | abrotman | infinitesimal: i'm not surprised |
| 15:23.28 | infinitesimal | jelly-home: yes, I said that I have hotplugging working. |
| 15:23.32 | abrotman | infinitesimal: you could contact the maintainer :) |
| 15:23.48 | enouf | infinitesimal: pretty sure that's what this is for --> tmpfs on /dev type tmpfs (rw,size=10M,mode=0755) |
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| 15:24.19 | deadcat | i have a dir with lots of sub dirs. i just want to rsycn alll the files that ends with .comment, how do i do that? |
| 15:24.28 | jelly-home | infinitesimal: fwiw, lp and alsa sound driver get autoloaded here too |
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| 15:25.03 | capiira | anyone have an idea when kde 3.5.6 or gnome 2.18 will join testing ? |
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| 15:25.16 | infinitesimal | enouf: Yes, and I have all that working. |
| 15:25.27 | enridis | i`m using kde 3.5.6 |
| 15:25.33 | capiira | from testing ? |
| 15:25.37 | enridis | and i have trouble with xmms-kde |
| 15:25.47 | capiira | why not amarok ? |
| 15:25.55 | jelly-home | !why is kdebase not in testing |
| 15:25.55 | dpkg | kdebase is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=kdebase |
| 15:26.03 | Fox_1_ | i have added debian-multimedia repository but now it's write: |
| 15:26.03 | Fox_1_ | >Package w32codecs is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 15:26.03 | Fox_1_ | >This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 15:26.03 | Fox_1_ | >is only available from another source |
| 15:26.03 | Fox_1_ | >E: Package w32codecs has no installation candidate |
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| 15:26.24 | enouf | infinitesimal: i also know that insmod/rmmod are deprecated in favor of modrobe (which does dynamic loading) |
| 15:26.29 | HostilePenguin | sensors |
| 15:26.32 | enouf | !insmod |
| 15:26.33 | dpkg | Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet?. Taunting Happy Fun Ball causes cancer |
| 15:26.37 | HostilePenguin | oops |
| 15:26.38 | Fox_1_ | sorry for flood |
| 15:26.45 | jelly-home | capiira: that link above ^^ should explain the kde situation |
| 15:26.45 | infinitesimal | jelly-home: Now that is interesting. Do you know when and how lp is loaded. How is your printer conencted. Via usb, ethernet, paraport or something else.? |
| 15:26.56 | enridis | capiira, because i like xmms. when this applet runned sometimes kicker crashed :( |
| 15:26.59 | capiira | thank you ! |
| 15:27.04 | enridis | i need restaring kicker |
| 15:27.11 | enouf | <sigh> .. i miss my happy fun ball |
| 15:27.44 | jelly-home | infinitesimal: I think it gets loaded when cupsys is started... my printer usually not connected at boot time |
| 15:27.46 | infinitesimal | enouf: Yes modprobe is the only option under 2.6.* kernels... |
| 15:27.48 | kth``laptop` | Is gtk2-engines-spherecrystal now obsolete? |
| 15:27.50 | kth``laptop` | On lenny* |
| 15:28.17 | wols | Fox_1_: apt-cache search w32codec |
| 15:28.23 | enouf | infinitesimal: not sure id depmod existed in 2.4, but it does now .. but i've used rmmod/insmod under 2.6 IIRC |
| 15:28.30 | Fox_1_ | nothink |
| 15:28.33 | wols | enouf: it did exist |
| 15:28.36 | Fox_1_ | i have searched that |
| 15:28.41 | infinitesimal | jelly-home: OK. I guess that cupsys (I am still using lprng) may do a bit of magic. |
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| 15:28.43 | Jocke | My friend and I tried to install Debian on his laptop. Now, sound doesn't work. Does anybody understand why? We just installed. |
| 15:28.44 | wols | but with debian kernelpackage you rarely if ever have to run it |
| 15:28.57 | wols | !tell Jocke about alsa |
| 15:29.01 | Zee1ot | hi, I have Debian Etch and when I try to install php5-imagick it tells me it has an unmet dependency but I dont know how to solve it (it is a virtual package) |
| 15:29.11 | wols | !tell Jocke about alsa install |
| 15:29.15 | infinitesimal | all: thanks for the replies. I guess that I might worry the udev maintainer.... |
| 15:29.18 | silensius | how can i configure my all tty terminals fonts displays |
| 15:29.26 | wols | Zee1ot: paste the output in a pastebin |
| 15:29.33 | enouf | wols: ahh .. what about modules.dep .. same thing? (resultant file?) from running depmod? |
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| 15:29.45 | Ankman | Jocke: any error messages? |
| 15:29.54 | Jocke | Ankman, no. |
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| 15:30.04 | wols | enouf: no clue. all I know if I'm naughty and just copy a module over, depmod -a and it's all good again :) |
| 15:30.12 | Ankman | checked the mixer? can call it with "alsamixer" or "aumix" |
| 15:30.16 | Ankman | mat be all is muted |
| 15:30.23 | enouf | heh .. The modules.dep as generated by module-init-tools depmod, lists the dependencies for every module in the |
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| 15:31.14 | enouf | wols: neat trick ;-) |
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| 15:32.09 | wols | enouf: I dimply remember depmod is there since there are modules, 2.0 |
| 15:32.10 | krionux | salut tlm |
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| 15:32.21 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
| 15:32.21 | dpkg | run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once, then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked), or eg, basically, DON'T edit sources, DON'T select anything, just go to option 1 (update sources) and JUST HIT ENTER a lot until you exit... you may have to hit y or n somewhere. Also, if you've never run dselect, you may have to use option 0 and choose APT Acquisition. |
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| 15:32.47 | Zee1ot | wols http://pastebin.ca/475606 |
| 15:32.52 | enouf | wols: thanks .. |
| 15:33.47 | jelly-home | infinitesimal: are you using the distro kernel? not that it should matter |
| 15:33.51 | wols | !find phpapi-20060613+lfs |
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| 15:34.10 | jelly-home | wols: sounds like php5. |
| 15:34.22 | esaym | is mpeg a free format? |
| 15:34.22 | esaym | actually what are all the free media formats? |
| 15:34.23 | esaym | I know ogg |
| 15:34.29 | wols | jelly-home: sounds like not debian to me |
| 15:34.48 | wols | esaym: "free" is relative with mediaformats |
| 15:34.54 | TuTuFF | i`ve just completed a netinstall of Debian 4.04 and now wish to add X (KDE) .. are there "meta packages" available to save dl`ing each individual package manually? |
| 15:34.58 | esaym | well that sucks |
| 15:35.06 | wols | !install kde |
| 15:35.06 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, install kde is In sarge/etch/lenny, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
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| 15:35.09 | wols | !install X |
| 15:35.09 | dpkg | rumour has it, install xf4 is apt-get install read-edid mdetect discover; apt-get install x-window-system-core (plus whatever window manager you like, etc.), or ask me about <set up x> or <drxx> or <xorg> |
| 15:35.09 | cydork | TuTuFF: aptitude install kde :) |
| 15:35.13 | jelly-home | wols: negative |
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| 15:35.25 | TuTuFF | perfect .. appreciate it :) |
| 15:35.28 | xoz | Zee1ot: try apt-get update, apt-get distupgrade |
| 15:35.30 | wols | jelly-home: where would phpapi-20060613+lfs be from? |
| 15:35.37 | jelly-home | wols: eg. libapache2-mod-php5 Provides: phpapi-20060613+lfs |
| 15:35.44 | wols | ah |
| 15:35.55 | jetscreamer | dist-upgrade he meant |
| 15:36.22 | Zee1ot | didn't do anything |
| 15:36.27 | infinitesimal | jelly-home: I am using 2.6.21.1, but I am certain that it is not a kernel issue. And I have instrumented hotplug and modprobe and turned on udev debugging. So I have a pretty good idea of what is happening. It is what is not happening that is the problem:-) |
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| 15:36.40 | mkl1525 | Hi, need to recompile the kernel and add the broadcom csb6 driver statically. Is there a fast way to get where to change the setting when using "make menuconfig" did a grep through "Documentation" but csb6 didn't turn up - so any help? |
| 15:36.41 | jelly-home | wols: apt-cache showpkg some-virtual-package |
| 15:36.49 | xoz | Zee1ot: because your deps files are not updated |
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| 15:37.03 | davis | hello |
| 15:37.05 | TuTuFF | ok done distupgrade .. apt-get install x-window-system-core kde it is |
| 15:37.15 | jelly-home | infinitesimal: bummer, I can only report WFM :-| |
| 15:37.17 | wols | mkl1525: grep -i csb .config |
| 15:37.28 | Zee1ot | I'm very new to linux =( |
| 15:37.32 | jelly-home | works for me |
| 15:37.35 | davis | if you have a static ip, what should /etc/hosts look like for the localhost and static ip entry? |
| 15:37.49 | infinitesimal | all: Thanks again. Off to the maintainer... |
| 15:37.54 | xoz | Zee1ot: no need to say it, we know! |
| 15:37.58 | mkl1525 | wols, brings just an empty result :( |
| 15:38.08 | Zee1ot | =P |
| 15:38.23 | wols | davis: 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost hostname |
| 15:38.35 | Zee1ot | so I have no idea what 'because your deps files are not updated' means |
| 15:39.05 | jelly-home | Zee1ot: basically you need to run "aptitude update" or "apt-get update" |
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| 15:39.11 | Zee1ot | I did |
| 15:39.13 | xoz | Zee1ot: have you tried apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 15:39.17 | Zee1ot | yes |
| 15:39.24 | Zee1ot | 0 upgraded |
| 15:39.45 | xoz | Zee1ot: and still same error when installing the prog? |
| 15:39.50 | wols | apt-cache policy libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 15:39.53 | Hoxzer | If I want to compile custom kernel would it be best to use sources provided by debian repos or download latest stable from kernel.org ? |
| 15:39.56 | Zee1ot | yes |
| 15:40.06 | jetscreamer | apt-spy segfaults both in sid and etch |
| 15:40.07 | wols | Hoxzer: both work. your choice |
| 15:40.11 | davis | wols, you have two entries for the same ip addry? |
| 15:40.13 | Hoxzer | :) |
| 15:40.16 | hark | works here |
| 15:40.19 | jetscreamer | and leaves me with a blank sources.list |
| 15:40.20 | cydork | Hoxzer: and use kernel-package |
| 15:40.21 | wols | davis: no |
| 15:40.33 | jetscreamer | doesn't, here |
| 15:40.34 | wols | but one IP address can have more than one symbolic name |
| 15:40.36 | davis | i figured you would have 127.0.0.1 localhost and a second line which says staticip hostname. |
| 15:40.45 | wols | davis: that's right |
| 15:41.14 | davis | that conflicts with your answer. i am confused. |
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| 15:41.32 | hark | apt-spy is quite buggy for some.. but there's always netselect-apt :) |
| 15:41.34 | haleu | have debian 4.0 a bug in the default kernel? |
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| 15:42.00 | jetscreamer | haleu: yes, but it doesn't happen for everybody |
| 15:42.08 | xoz | Zee1ot: apt-cache policy in pastebin |
| 15:42.11 | formorer | the kernel has several bugs.... but this is not limited to debian |
| 15:42.12 | jetscreamer | it's not really the kernel though |
| 15:42.13 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: hahahaha |
| 15:42.21 | haleu | ok .... what kind of bug? |
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| 15:42.25 | Zee1ot | xoz: anything else? |
| 15:42.38 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: this is comedy at its highest |
| 15:42.52 | jetscreamer | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/index#errata |
| 15:42.53 | harpi | dos debian have madwifi-ng (read NG) preinstalled?> |
| 15:43.02 | h3sp4wn | harpi: no |
| 15:43.09 | harpi | shit |
| 15:43.12 | jetscreamer | Disk devices may change on reboot |
| 15:43.23 | h3sp4wn | harpi: you have to build it with module-assistant |
| 15:43.28 | xoz | Zee1ot: your /etc/apt/sources.list is fucked |
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| 15:43.41 | xoz | Zee1ot: or change your mirror site |
| 15:43.45 | Zee1ot | hmm |
| 15:43.45 | harpi | yea same as in ubuntu........never worked |
| 15:43.49 | h3sp4wn | harpi: and madwifi <=0.9 == madwifi-ng |
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| 15:44.01 | Zee1ot | xoz: what site should I use |
| 15:44.02 | kth``laptop` | I have a wired and wireless nics on this laptop, I have a few other network interfaces from bluetooth/qemu etc that I want to use NAT to get them connected to the lan or wlan. Is there a way to create a dummy interface that will be "pointing" to either lan or wlan interfaces and can be changed dynamically so I won't have to change iptables rules? |
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| 15:44.20 | xoz | Zee1ot: show me first output of apt-cache policy |
| 15:44.33 | kth``laptop` | Bah... Wrong channel, but if anyone has an idea input is welcome :P |
| 15:44.39 | enouf | jetscreamer: want an alternative to apt-spy? try netselect-apt |
| 15:44.43 | xoz | Zee1ot: either you are not using purely etch or you are lying |
| 15:44.43 | davis | let me ask again. if I have a static ip. How should I have /etc/hosts look? Should I have two lines or one? one line for localhost and one line for the static ip? |
| 15:45.07 | jetscreamer | enouf: i was just testing apt-spy in etch, to see if it was borked like the one in sid... it is. |
| 15:45.23 | enouf | i see |
| 15:45.35 | enouf | nice nick above ;-) |
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| 15:46.07 | Zee1ot | http://pastebin.ca/475628 |
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| 15:47.13 | schme | Anyone know how I set a HTTP proxy for epiphany browser? |
| 15:47.23 | tarzeau | schme: like for any browser? |
| 15:47.39 | schme | tarzeau: I can't find any setting for it anywhere. |
| 15:47.44 | tarzeau | schme: the manpage says Epiphany has a comprehensive help system. Run the browser and select Help from the menu. |
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| 15:48.11 | schme | tarzeau: Yes. I have read through it. |
| 15:48.17 | tarzeau | schme: doesn't it have a graphic setup? |
| 15:48.35 | xoz | Zee1ot: you are using unofficial repos, good luck |
| 15:49.08 | xoz | Zee1ot: and it uses sarge for stable!!! |
| 15:49.13 | hark | schme: it probably uses the one defined in gnome-network-preferences (being part of Gnome) |
| 15:49.13 | Zee1ot | dotdeb right? |
| 15:49.25 | cydork | schme: i thought it uses gnome proxy. |
| 15:49.32 | schme | huh. |
| 15:49.38 | enouf | schme: try about:config if you can't find it in the preferneces |
| 15:49.50 | xoz | Zee1ot: dotdeb.org -> goto the site and read |
| 15:50.04 | enouf | schme: edit > preferences |
| 15:50.24 | hark | hardly aything in that |
| 15:50.30 | schme | enouf: I can't find any http proxy setting in edit > preferences. No. |
| 15:50.33 | xoz | Zee1ot: you are not welcome here. you are not using debian, just based on debian |
| 15:50.37 | schme | about:config seems to have some. |
| 15:50.39 | enouf | schme: try about:config |
| 15:50.48 | schme | How do I find that gnome-network-preferences thing anyhoo? |
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| 15:50.53 | enouf | schme: it's using the mozilla engine |
| 15:51.04 | enouf | whatever that means ..lol |
| 15:51.07 | Zee1ot | ok so I can take that off.. |
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| 15:51.27 | cydork | enouf: gecko |
| 15:51.54 | schme | enouf: No idea what it means.. but it is not as slow and annoying as firefox :) |
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| 15:52.33 | hark | schme: http://live.gnome.org/Epiphany/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#head-b1468629650bebf35d91fda8555f21fa22940267 |
| 15:52.35 | haleu | why using gnome?? gnome is a buggy shit .. why not install KDE or fluxbox |
| 15:52.39 | enouf | schme: i thought so too at first, but once you use links2 -g , you won't go back ;-) |
| 15:52.40 | smcavoy_ | anyone know if its possible to upgrade etch 386 to etch amd64? |
| 15:52.41 | xoz | Zee1ot: clean your repo and am sure you will have no problem after making sure the sources.list pull data from etch |
| 15:52.53 | schme | haleu: Who is using gnome? |
| 15:53.11 | schme | enouf: That won't work for me, no. I generally use emacs-w3m actually. |
| 15:53.16 | enouf | cydork: well, i meant, wherever that elusive engine lives ;-) .. but i did forget that term .. |
| 15:53.24 | schme | enouf: Neither that or links2 works with my internet bank. |
| 15:53.31 | hark | smcavoy_: reinstalling (but you can just install the amd64 kernel) |
| 15:53.37 | enouf | schme: you bank sucks ass ;-) |
| 15:53.43 | haleu | schme: i use fluxbox |
| 15:53.51 | concept10 | schme, try that agent switcher in firefox |
| 15:53.54 | Jocke | How do I see what sound card I have on Debian? |
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| 15:54.09 | cydork | Jocke: /msg dpkg whats my hardware |
| 15:54.10 | schme | haleu: I was wondering why you were asking why use gnome actually. Who is using gnome? |
| 15:54.15 | enouf | Jocke: lspci | grep -i multi |
| 15:54.23 | schme | haleu: I find fluxbox a lil' bloated personally ;) |
| 15:54.25 | hark | cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 15:54.29 | schme | concept10: the agent switcher.. what is that? |
| 15:54.32 | xoz | Zee1ot: it is not really a solution to just change sources.list. better install etch from the scratch. no, we cannot help you upgrading from dotdeb to etch. dont waste our time |
| 15:54.47 | sluffy | debian etch, scponly ... i want chrooted users to connect, i used the setup_chroot.sh that comes with the package... but i only get Connection has been unexpectedly closed. Server sent command exit status 1. |
| 15:54.56 | sluffy | any idea? |
| 15:55.04 | concept10 | schme, makes a website think firefox on linux is IE on windows |
| 15:55.10 | schme | concept10: I'd rather not use firefox in the first place.. it is horrible. |
| 15:55.17 | schme | concept10: Why would I want to do that? |
| 15:55.38 | mark_s | Hi, in /etc/exports I hace this lien: 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(rw,async,no_subtree_check,all_squash,anonuid=1000,anongid=1000). When now 2 Clinets connect to the server with nfs, both can change without anny warning the same file. Is that normal? |
| 15:55.46 | Zee1ot | I installed Etch from us.debian.org |
| 15:55.49 | xand | mark_s: yes |
| 15:55.55 | Jocke | enouf, I did that but there comes no infromation |
| 15:56.12 | mark_s | xand: no chance to put somehow a lock on the file? |
| 15:56.13 | schme | concept10: My internet bank works fine with firefox. I, however, won't work fine with firefox ;) |
| 15:56.14 | haleu | smcavoy_: i have a amd64 with i686 kernel .. and this work perfect for me .. you not need it .. |
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| 15:56.17 | enouf | Jocke: update-pciids, and do what dpkg told you |
| 15:56.28 | xoz | Zee1ot: so what is dotdeb doing in your sources.list? just randomly appeared there? |
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| 15:56.37 | hark | !dotdeb |
| 15:56.38 | dpkg | i guess dotdeb is for the latest php and mysql releases, packaged up and backported for your pleasure, go to http://dotdeb.org/, or but realize that we cannot support dotdeb packages here, so you will be ON YOUR OWN, or there is little reason to use dotdeb.org now that backported versions of php and mysql are available from backports.org. ask me about <backports> and <backports.org> |
| 15:56.48 | concept10 | schme, because some sites require agent strings requiring IE on Windows. Use the agent switcher to put on a face mask on your brower and be able to rob^H^H^H use your online banking |
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| 15:57.51 | Zee1ot | it was added but I only installed apache and php since then so it should be fine if i remove those packages and reinstall with just us.debian no? |
| 15:58.07 | whitebread | whats the default font dir? |
| 15:58.17 | schme | concept10: My online bank works just fine with firefox. |
| 15:58.24 | xoz | Zee1ot: maybe |
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| 15:59.49 | schme | enouf: D'oh. I set the proxy at about:config . Still not working. |
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| 15:59.58 | reinerzufall | moin |
| 16:00.09 | cydork | schme: did you check link given by hark? |
| 16:00.17 | Gejr | I'm trying to get disable cd's from autorunning in Debian Etch..can't find anything useful by googling. |
| 16:00.20 | schme | oh |
| 16:00.20 | mark_s | If nfs doesn't prevent 2 users changing one file, is there a chance to connect to a server somehow and only one is allowd to open a file? |
| 16:00.25 | schme | cydork: I missed that one. D'oh. |
| 16:00.29 | schme | hark: Thanks a bunch :) |
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| 16:00.47 | enouf | schme: restarted it? .. i even used the pkg mozilla-plugs or someshit one time, couldn't get it to work (didn't try _that hard_) so i uninstalled everything ;-) |
| 16:01.02 | reinerzufall | i have a problem, i have update my sarge to etch and now if i do in mc strg+o i have a error like this:habe da ein problem, habe sarge auf etch geupgradet und nun passiert dieses wenn ich zum beispiel unter mc "strg+o" drücke:Cannot open master side of pty: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden (2) |
| 16:01.07 | Zee1ot | ok I will just reinstall etch then |
| 16:01.19 | schme | Now the next question is where I find this gnome-network-preference thing. |
| 16:01.44 | enouf | gnome-control-center? |
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| 16:02.19 | hark | schme: ah, you won't find that :) |
| 16:02.21 | enouf | gconf, ~/.gnome-private someshit? |
| 16:02.45 | xoz | reinerzufall: did you follow the steps in: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 16:02.48 | schme | hrm.. I have no gconf |
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| 16:02.56 | schme | or gnome-control-center. |
| 16:03.05 | schme | I don't actually use gnome ;) |
| 16:03.23 | xoz | Zee1ot: try removing first. no need to reinstall |
| 16:03.26 | reinerzufall | xoz, no |
| 16:03.51 | Jocke | But when I do know what sound card I have, how do I configure it? |
| 16:03.51 | sluffy | debian etch, scponly ... i want chrooted users to connect, i used the setup_chroot.sh that comes with the package... but i only get Connection has been unexpectedly closed. Server sent command exit status 1. |
| 16:03.52 | xoz | reinerzufall: then, try to read it and retrace your steps. |
| 16:03.58 | reinerzufall | ok |
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| 16:05.14 | schme | Oh well thanks for all the help. Looks like I |
| 16:05.19 | schme | I'm stuck with ff. :( |
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| 16:06.51 | sluffy | noone in here using scponly package under debian etch?? |
| 16:07.07 | xoz | !tell sluffy -about ask |
| 16:07.20 | Odinn | hey guys, why wont my mplayer install with a nice GUI like xine? >.<" |
| 16:07.50 | sluffy | xoz i asked my questions 3 times :/ |
| 16:08.02 | whitebread | anyone use eterm here? |
| 16:08.06 | Loigor | Odinn: try gmplayer or something? :P |
| 16:08.07 | xingu | Odinn: gmplayer? |
| 16:08.08 | Ronin | whitebread: some do some dont |
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| 16:08.25 | whitebread | does anyone know how to change the default eterm font? |
| 16:08.26 | Odinn | gmplayer is ugly :P |
| 16:08.37 | Ronin | isnt that in man eterm whitebread |
| 16:08.43 | xoz | sluffy: vague info. dig more to give us more clues |
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| 16:09.13 | whitebread | i'll have to go download that i guess |
| 16:09.30 | Ronin | whitebread: if eterms installed just open it up and type man eterm |
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| 16:09.42 | whitebread | i know, i'm not stupid |
| 16:09.44 | whitebread | it doesn't exist |
| 16:09.49 | Loigor | Odinn: then kmplayer ;) |
| 16:09.50 | whitebread | or i wouldn't ask |
| 16:09.51 | hark | Odinn: you can get skins.. |
| 16:09.59 | reinerzufall | xoz, i have read it. befor and i have made the uprgade like that |
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| 16:10.03 | Ronin | whitebread: you wouldn't be the first who asked without looking |
| 16:10.30 | xoz | reinerzufall: translate the error message to english |
| 16:10.39 | sluffy | i found out that there is a problem with the package scponly that only occurs under debian etch. i sinply installed it, executed the script to set up a new chrooted user, but i cannot connect to that account via any scp client |
| 16:10.46 | reinerzufall | xoz, ok |
| 16:12.42 | reinerzufall | xoz, Cannot open master side of pty: file or directory not found |
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| 16:13.51 | xoz | reinerzufall: other message about sarge... tranlate them all |
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| 16:14.53 | pihhan | hi there |
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| 16:15.28 | reinerzufall | i have a problem, i have update my sarge to etch and now if i do in mc ctrl+o i have a error like this: Cannot open master side of pty: file or directory not found |
| 16:16.14 | xoz | reinerzufall: uname -a? |
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| 16:16.51 | reinerzufall | Linux easyVDR 2.6.19 #1 PREEMPT Sun May 6 16:46:37 CEST 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 16:17.20 | pihhan | hello everyone |
| 16:17.39 | pihhan | i have dependency loop in dist-upgrade from sarge to etch |
| 16:17.52 | pihhan | is that solved somewhere? |
| 16:17.59 | sluffy | auth.log saysMay 7 17:58:16 www-server scponly[16707]: couldn't chroot to /home/scponly [username: scponly(5001)] |
| 16:18.00 | enouf | schme: try /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/system/http_proxy |
| 16:18.06 | xoz | reinerzufall: this is not debian!!! kernel |
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| 16:18.32 | enouf | schme: run updatedb and run locate http_proxy |
| 16:18.49 | xoz | reinerzufall: oh, it is |
| 16:18.54 | schme | enouf: Thanks.. But I already remove epiphany browser and install kazehakase. It was a lot easier to configure. :) |
| 16:19.03 | enouf | attaboy ;-) |
| 16:19.07 | reinerzufall | no that is my kernel but i have the same error with a orginal kernel |
| 16:19.21 | enouf | hrm .. kaza who? |
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| 16:19.37 | xoz | reinerzufall: you have problems with the configuration of kernel |
| 16:19.48 | schme | kazehakase is some webbrowser.. :) |
| 16:19.59 | reinerzufall | what do you meen |
| 16:20.11 | xoz | reinerzufall: google for missint pty |
| 16:20.18 | xoz | *missing |
| 16:20.33 | enouf | schme: ahh .. i see .. still uses the bloated engining thingy |
| 16:20.34 | schme | Insane that I should have to go edit stuff in /etc just to set a http proxy >< |
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| 16:20.47 | enouf | schme: all that's been --purged ;-) |
| 16:21.01 | schme | enouf: Ya.. Well I need it. darn bank refuses to work with w3m :( |
| 16:21.13 | pihhan | can i somehow dist-upgrade xserver-xfree86 to xserver-xorg? |
| 16:21.13 | enouf | schme: though i see i still have that mozplugger pkg installed .. hrm .. (starts ripping it out ;-)) |
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| 16:21.48 | Odinn | was wrong about gmplayer |
| 16:21.48 | schme | :D |
| 16:21.53 | Odinn | its quite sexy! XD |
| 16:21.55 | schme | enouf: Thanks for all the help though. |
| 16:22.25 | enouf | no prob .. hark was helpful as well .. cleared up some mysteries for me |
| 16:22.42 | schme | hark: Ya. Thanks a bunch for the help :) |
| 16:22.44 | jelly-home | pihhan: sorry for the obvious quiestion, but, have you followed the release notes? |
| 16:22.56 | enouf | schme: as you can tell, i don;t use gnome either |
| 16:23.44 | schme | enouf: ratpoison for me :D |
| 16:23.47 | enouf | schme: i don;t like xml files,a dn i really don;t like xml files that start their names with a % ..lol |
| 16:24.19 | xingu | alright, who broke the internet |
| 16:24.29 | enouf | xingu: long time gone |
| 16:24.42 | pihhan | jelly-home: sorry i have now only text terminal, so reading release notes is hard a bit |
| 16:24.43 | stew | xingu: i rebooted it. it should be back up soon |
| 16:24.54 | schme | enouf: It's.. insane. Makes me cry too :D |
| 16:25.01 | enouf | i just kick it from time to time |
| 16:25.05 | xingu | busted routing off the sixxs :| |
| 16:25.13 | pihhan | jelly-home: i am trying now, i expected to dist-upgrade without a mess :( |
| 16:25.50 | jelly-home | pihhan: basically they say "DON'T JUST DIST-UPGRADE WITHOUT THINKING" |
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| 16:26.13 | jelly-home | pihhan: well, there's a couple of good advices too :-) |
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| 16:27.50 | garo | 'xen-tools' recommends 'reiserfsprogs','xfsprogs' and 'rpmstrap' but i don't want these 3 packages, so i give the command "aptitude install xen-tools rpmstrap= xfsprogs= reiserfsprogs=" |
| 16:27.59 | garo | But aptitude still wants to install these 3 |
| 16:28.14 | garo | Why is this ? (and how can i solve it) |
| 16:28.21 | pihhan | jelly-home: i thought that is nicest thing on debian - i can update system without studying three days what might happen during it :( |
| 16:28.31 | Narada | Is it true that aptitude is the preferred package management from console? |
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| 16:29.39 | jelly-home | pihhan: it's probably an hour read. anyway, using apt-get or aptitude? try aptitude. |
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| 16:29.39 | Jay2 | how can i shutdown X? |
| 16:29.57 | garo | depends on how you start it |
| 16:30.04 | garo | 'killall X' is a way |
| 16:30.09 | xoz | Narada: apt-get or aptitude is ok |
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| 16:30.30 | jelly-home | garo: "shutdown" implies some sort of grace |
| 16:30.48 | Narada | xoz: http://www.uk.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#s-pkgmgmt <-- says aptitude is the preferred choice |
| 16:31.10 | xoz | Narada: so, if you believe him, fine! |
| 16:31.18 | garo | well if it is the prefered choice then can someone answer my question ? |
| 16:31.24 | jelly-home | Jay2: are you trying to switch to console for a bit, or to make X not start on boot, or just log off the current session? |
| 16:31.59 | Narada | It's strange. I never thought the preferred pkg-mgmt command would change. That is like fundamental to the whole debian arena. |
| 16:32.05 | xoz | Narada: until apt-get is deprecated, it is still ok |
| 16:32.15 | hark | Narada: it is.. /msg dpkg why aptitude |
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| 16:32.22 | xoz | Narada: apt is the fundamental |
| 16:32.36 | Narada | xoz: Well apparently it's dep resolution is not as good. |
| 16:32.40 | xoz | Narada: apt-get and aptitude are frontend |
| 16:32.42 | Narada | xoz: Nor conflict resolution |
| 16:32.54 | hark | garo: try installing with -R |
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| 16:33.41 | xoz | Narada: dep resolution is a judgement call. if you are using stable, no problem. for unstable, you may like aptitude decision or you may prefer apt-get decision. |
| 16:33.43 | xdr | hej |
| 16:34.01 | Narada | xoz: Yeah it will be stable. |
| 16:34.13 | Jay2 | trying to shutdown X so i can update my video driver |
| 16:34.20 | enouf | i think he's saying it "recommends" |
| 16:34.52 | xoz | Narada: so not much difference. aptitude is more mind-reader than apt-get. |
| 16:35.06 | Jay2 | see /usr/sbin/gdm and /usr/X11R6/bin/X need to be stopped |
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| 16:35.32 | hark | /etc/init.d/gdm stop ? |
| 16:35.32 | Narada | xoz: lol |
| 16:35.34 | xoz | Narada: but i prefer for apt-get to complain rather than automate the process to resolve conflict. |
| 16:35.47 | enouf | do /etc/init.d/{g,x,k}dm stop |
| 16:35.50 | xoz | Narada: for unstable |
| 16:35.54 | garo | hark: Thanks ! |
| 16:35.57 | Narada | I see. |
| 16:36.05 | xdr | hey |
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| 16:36.25 | xeihin | hi friends, is there a problem with apache2 package on debian etch? |
| 16:36.45 | xoz | xeihin: continue |
| 16:36.55 | xeihin | I did apt-get install apache2 .. /etc/init.d/apache2 start but I log this ... apache2: Syntax error on line 189 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Could not open configuration file /etc/apache2/httpd.conf: No such file or directory |
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| 16:37.22 | xoz | xeihin: apt-get --purge remove apache2.. apt-get install apache2 |
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| 16:38.02 | xeihin | blogs:~# ls /etc/apache2/httpd.conf |
| 16:38.02 | xeihin | ls: /etc/apache2/httpd.conf: No existe el fichero o el directorio |
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| 16:38.19 | xoz | xeihin: try purge and install again. |
| 16:38.26 | xeihin | done |
| 16:38.30 | pihhan | is there some easy way to remove whole tree of packages dependend on xserver and write somewhere list of them? |
| 16:38.35 | xoz | xeihin: and? |
| 16:38.38 | xeihin | no httpd.conf file |
| 16:38.38 | superm1 | Hi guys, i was wondering about debootstraps --unpack-tarball option. What needs to go into one of these generated tarballs? Moreover, how do i generate one? |
| 16:39.05 | xoz | xeihin: apt-cache policy n pastebin |
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| 16:39.18 | aadil | xeihin, why dont u compile? |
| 16:39.20 | superm1 | or am i just supposed to be grabbing the basedebs tarball from a website typically? |
| 16:39.20 | aadil | :) |
| 16:39.42 | xeihin | because ... not xD |
| 16:39.55 | xingu | !tell xeihin about confmiss |
| 16:40.04 | xand | xeihin: file is probably empty anyway |
| 16:40.05 | xand | xeihin: so maybe you could trying touching it? |
| 16:40.13 | TuTuFF | is there a repo which provides non-free apps (ie ntfs r/w, nvidia/ati support etc)? |
| 16:40.27 | xeihin | let me try touching it |
| 16:40.27 | xand | !non-free |
| 16:40.28 | dpkg | non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianistas would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there . See #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html Also ask me about "vrms" |
| 16:40.49 | TuTuFF | many thanks |
| 16:41.09 | xeihin | blogs.jornada.com.mx [127.0.0.1] 80 (www) : Connection refused |
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| 16:41.26 | xoz | .com.mx? |
| 16:41.33 | xand | mexican innit |
| 16:41.46 | xeihin | http://rafb.net/p/Mx6wgl95.html |
| 16:42.09 | pihhan | is here some scripts to easy migration from xfree to xorg? |
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| 16:42.35 | xoz | xeihin: what dpkg told you |
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| 16:42.42 | xeihin | what? |
| 16:42.48 | xoz | xeihin: confmiss |
| 16:42.57 | xeihin | let me try it |
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| 16:43.42 | Przemcio78 | hi, where to set system clock to use hardware clock? in gentoo it's /etc/conf.d/clock, there's no such file in debian |
| 16:43.49 | xeihin | mmm I don't know how to use confmiss ... I tryed dpkg --force-confmiss and dpkg --force-confmiss apache2 |
| 16:43.51 | xeihin | but not working |
| 16:43.57 | sander__ | hi there |
| 16:44.07 | sander__ | I need some help to make my webcam to work |
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| 16:44.28 | sander__ | Im usind this driver spca5xx-20060402 |
| 16:44.37 | sander__ | I dont get to make work this |
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| 16:44.39 | stew | xeihin: apache2's conffiles are owned by apache2.2-common or apache2-common, not by the apache2 package |
| 16:44.41 | sander__ | TO add in modules |
| 16:44.43 | melkart | i installed the testing netinst CD (from may 3rd) with the option "install modules=ppp-udeb", and the internet connection during worked fine during installation. when i boot into the new system, "pon" tells me that it doesnt find "eth0" and "ifconfig" shows me only "lo", no "eth0" and no "eth1". how can i fix it? |
| 16:44.46 | rocketmagnet | hi, does someone may know how to add the loopback interface permanently ? so that it's there after a reboot ? |
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| 16:44.50 | pihhan | do i really need to remove most of my system to upgrade to etch? |
| 16:45.05 | rocketmagnet | ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1, but i have to do this every time after a restart =( |
| 16:45.06 | stew | rocketmagnet: /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 16:45.09 | silensius | is there any packages like freenas on debian |
| 16:45.13 | xoz | Przemcio78: hwclock |
| 16:45.32 | xeihin | not working dpkg --force-confmiss apache2.2-common |
| 16:45.33 | stew | pihhan: no, are you following the release notes? |
| 16:45.50 | xoz | rocketmagnet: man interfaces |
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| 16:46.09 | Przemcio78 | xoz: isn't there some other way? |
| 16:46.10 | l-e-e | does debian etch support 16G RAM out of the box? |
| 16:46.23 | stew | l-e-e: for which arch? |
| 16:46.24 | yettenet | 64 bit might... |
| 16:46.28 | l-e-e | i386 |
| 16:46.29 | xeihin | is this a apache2 package bug? |
| 16:46.35 | sander__ | When I tried to modprobe spca5xx I get this error |
| 16:46.37 | sander__ | FATAL: Could not open '/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-k7/kernel/drivers/usb/media/spca5xx.ko': Too many levels of symbolic links |
| 16:46.46 | enyc | l-e-e: well the only thing that will limit this is the kernel chosen.. |
| 16:46.47 | xoz | Przemcio78: apt-cache search clock |
| 16:46.47 | wols | l-e-e: i386 can only access 4GB directly |
| 16:46.48 | stew | l-e-e: no, you'd have to compile a kernel for it to support more than 4 |
| 16:46.54 | Przemcio78 | i tried with xwclock but everytime i boot gentoo the settings get screwed up again |
| 16:46.56 | pihhan | stew: how can i remove some simple way all files from /usr/X11R6/bin? |
| 16:47.07 | l-e-e | can't i use SMP kernel, doesn't that support larger RAM? |
| 16:47.09 | enyc | l-e-e: may be about 960mb or 4gb or 64gb or (lots) depending on kernel/arch |
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| 16:47.35 | xoz | Przemcio78: hwclock in debian is updated only during shutdown... system clock should be sync using ntpdate.. |
| 16:47.42 | stew | pihhan: eh? rm? what are you trying to remove from there? an old opera package perhaps? are you following the procedure in the release notes? |
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| 16:48.01 | stew | pihhan: are the files you are wanting to remove managed by some pacakge? |
| 16:48.27 | rocketmagnet | xoz: is this line enouth for lo? iface lo inet loopback |
| 16:48.34 | pihhan | stew: of course they are! |
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| 16:48.55 | pihhan | stew: i have very few things not from package in my debian |
| 16:49.00 | sander__ | stew: My webcam stopped to work, when I installed another kernel, its normal to happens !? |
| 16:49.01 | xoz | rocketmagnet: pretty much |
| 16:49.06 | stew | pihhan: then you remove the files by removing the packages. if they are packages that also exist in etch, you shouldn't have to do any special |
| 16:49.17 | enyc | l-e-e: l-e-e well.... |
| 16:49.24 | l-e-e | here is a link to kernel prebuilt with bigmem: http://packages.debian.org/stable/admin/linux-image-2.6.18-4-686-bigmem |
| 16:49.28 | l-e-e | thanks for help guys |
| 16:49.29 | rocketmagnet | xoz: then something is wrong =( |
| 16:49.31 | stew | sander__: dunno. probably not |
| 16:49.38 | sander__ | ummm |
| 16:49.44 | stew | rocketmagnet: you'd need an "auto lo" line |
| 16:49.44 | rocketmagnet | i have this line allready interfaces =( |
| 16:49.47 | Przemcio78 | ok, thanks, i'll try with ntpdate |
| 16:49.55 | xeihin | some help with apache 2 on debian etch? |
| 16:50.00 | rocketmagnet | stew: after eth0 ? |
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| 16:50.01 | enyc | l-e-e: debian etch 2.6.18-4-486 kernel has CONFIG_NOHIGHMEM=y which means only about 960mb ram will be used |
| 16:50.02 | xoz | rocketmagnet: pastebin /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:50.08 | stew | rocketmagnet: doesn't matter where |
| 16:50.14 | pihhan | stew: but i want something to help me remove that files and put that back it they are in etch after transition to etch |
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| 16:50.17 | enyc | l-e-e: (I am usinc etch on a k6-2-300 w/ 128mb ram |
| 16:50.18 | rocketmagnet | thx |
| 16:50.34 | pihhan | understand i have hundreds packages dependend on X |
| 16:50.41 | stew | pihhan: aptitude remove packagename ; but why not just upgrade them during the upgrade to etch? |
| 16:50.47 | l-e-e | enyc: pretty basic eh :) |
| 16:50.48 | enyc | l-e-e: however... the -686 kernels and others may have HIGHMEM for 4gb or PAE support for 64gb ... you need 64bit arch for more than 64gb |
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| 16:51.10 | l-e-e | yes, im going to run quad core machine with 16G RAM, the bigmem kernel supports that |
| 16:51.15 | pihhan | because dist-upgrade does not work? to get work i need that directory empty? |
| 16:51.22 | stew | pihhan: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 16:51.43 | pihhan | to have that empty i need to uninstal 2/3 of all packages in my system propably |
| 16:51.43 | enyc | l-e-e: well it sits there reunning really quietly and doesnt get broken ;-)... hacked in 120mm fan whatnot (modded notstandard PSU fitting) with via MVP3 chipset and large fanless heatsink on socket-7 cpu |
| 16:51.45 | S4nD3r | When I installed kernel 2.6.18-4-k7 my machine became more fast then when was running kernel 2.6.18-4-486 (it was installed automatically) |
| 16:51.46 | Odinn | hmmm can someone tell me why when i move one of the mplayer windows the playback stops? O.o |
| 16:51.54 | xingu | l-e-e: I'd take a wild guess that a 16G working set will show an appreciable speedup on a 64bit arch /anyway/ |
| 16:51.59 | aadil | sure, gimme a shell |
| 16:52.00 | stew | pihhan: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 16:52.01 | aadil | :> |
| 16:52.04 | aadil | ;) |
| 16:52.05 | enyc | l-e-e: on buck convertor 2.1v not too wasteful, 300mhz, not too bad |
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| 16:52.29 | l-e-e | enyc: does the job right? :) |
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| 16:52.31 | enyc | l-e-e: with a nice eepro100 card it works rather nicely to store files and email queue and soforth |
| 16:52.33 | rocketmagnet | is the default apache2 install for debian secure setup ? |
| 16:52.50 | rocketmagnet | so that only localhost can connect ? |
| 16:52.52 | enyc | l-e-e: exactly... without taking loads of electricity or making loads of naise and its reliable and its not too slow either ;-) |
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| 16:52.58 | pihhan | well simple upgrade is not comming, lets get my xserver from sarge back to running and read that instructions from better browser |
| 16:53.08 | ftoledo | hi all |
| 16:53.15 | yettenet | initializing... |
| 16:53.15 | yettenet | kernel includes at /usr/src/linux/include not found or incomplete |
| 16:53.15 | yettenet | file: /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h |
| 16:53.17 | pihhan | maybe i really miss something really important :) |
| 16:53.20 | yettenet | Can anyone help? |
| 16:53.26 | ftoledo | i build a package for a software that i made |
| 16:53.29 | pihhan | see yizt |
| 16:53.47 | cydork | ftoledo: what software? |
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| 16:54.08 | ftoledo | cydork: www.proyectoalba.com.ar |
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| 16:55.32 | ftoledo | cydork: i put some templates for ask info to config at install time, i want to re-ask the questions if i reconfirgure the package |
| 16:55.41 | wols | yettenet: install your kernel headers |
| 16:55.49 | ftoledo | cydork: i think that te responses are in the cache and dont ask anymore |
| 16:55.54 | yettenet | headers? |
| 16:56.06 | wols | yes |
| 16:56.12 | ftoledo | cydork: how to ask agian whe use reconfigure? |
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| 16:56.30 | aadil | how ironic |
| 16:56.31 | aadil | :> |
| 16:56.38 | S4nD3r | so |
| 16:56.40 | cydork | ftoledo: what is your native language? |
| 16:56.41 | wols | aadil: cause you probably need to compile some kernel module or other |
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| 16:56.52 | cydork | ftoledo: may be there is a channel in that language. |
| 16:56.54 | S4nD3r | is recommended that I remove 2.6.18-486 kernel version ? |
| 16:57.09 | aadil | wols, u didnt see the irony too? |
| 16:57.10 | S4nD3r | I dont know what to do |
| 16:57.10 | aadil | :> |
| 16:57.10 | enyc | S4nD3r: you can easily install other kernels too |
| 16:57.12 | p0seidon | hello |
| 16:57.12 | wols | S4nD3r: only if you mae sure your new kernel works properly |
| 16:57.14 | xand | this is probably a stupid question, but is it possible to use xfwm/xfce themes in metacity/gnome? |
| 16:57.15 | modern | hello |
| 16:57.21 | wols | aadil: no I don't |
| 16:57.28 | S4nD3r | ummm... |
| 16:57.34 | enyc | S4nD3r: there is no problem with having other kernels... BUT if you have a separate /boot partition you do NOT want it to fill up |
| 16:57.34 | ftoledo | cydork: in debian-es people talk about the dog of somebody =( |
| 16:57.43 | S4nD3r | k7 is working good, |
| 16:57.46 | aadil | to install the headers dont u need internet connectivity via apt-get? |
| 16:57.57 | S4nD3r | the /boot is the same partition of / |
| 16:58.00 | wols | adem: not necessarily |
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| 16:58.03 | xoz | xand: it's like asking if cat and dog can produce offspring |
| 16:58.07 | wols | all Debian software is available on CD |
| 16:58.11 | yettenet | wols: How do I know which header do I need? |
| 16:58.11 | kth``laptop | S4nD3r; Did you compile your own or is it a debian one? |
| 16:58.15 | modern | out of interest |
| 16:58.16 | p0seidon | investigating |
| 16:58.18 | aadil | wols, ok leave it |
| 16:58.20 | S4nD3r | its a debian one |
| 16:58.21 | aadil | nm |
| 16:58.23 | wols | yettenet: you need headers for your installed and running kernel |
| 16:58.26 | aadil | :\ |
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| 16:58.37 | cydork | ftoledo: hahah well you have to wait then :P |
| 16:59.04 | pihhan | how can i forget all selected changes in aptitude? |
| 16:59.25 | kth``laptop | S4nD3r; Actually, disregard me, I was going to suggest something stupid :P |
| 16:59.26 | xoz | pihhan: explain |
| 16:59.36 | stew | pihhan: its a menu item |
| 16:59.39 | pihhan | xoz, i selected files to upgrade |
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| 16:59.49 | ftoledo | cydork: are you debian developer? |
| 16:59.51 | pihhan | i want cancel all new installations and removes |
| 17:00.09 | stew | pihhan: Actions menu -> Cancel pending actions |
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| 17:00.38 | c0nf | hi, i just installed new debian, but i got a question - how do i install graphical interface? i mean, what do i need? 1) xserver 2) xfce (i want xfce D:) .. and that's all? |
| 17:00.58 | pihhan | stew: i dont see such menu item there |
| 17:00.59 | stew | c0nf: aptitude install xorg xfce4 |
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| 17:01.05 | c0nf | thanks :) |
| 17:01.07 | pihhan | i will try lang=C version :) |
| 17:01.10 | xand | xoz: a way of conversion would do :| |
| 17:01.10 | S4nD3r | I just would like to know why my webcam stopped to work in this new version of kernel |
| 17:01.12 | xeihin | whats up with the topic about apache? |
| 17:01.22 | Amarande | hmm |
| 17:01.37 | wols | (topic |
| 17:01.42 | Amarande | anywhere where I can find the list of options Debian glibc was compiled with? |
| 17:01.45 | Ronin | there nothing in the topic about apache xeihin |
| 17:01.56 | S4nD3r | Its important kee k7 kernel version?? Or I may keep using 486 kernel version choosed by debian install wizard?? |
| 17:01.58 | aadil | heh |
| 17:01.59 | Amarande | in particular, I'm wondering if Debian's libc has __cxa_atexit |
| 17:02.09 | Amarande | S4nD3r, how much RAM do you have? |
| 17:02.14 | S4nD3r | 1GB |
| 17:02.16 | wols | Amarande: run stirngs on it |
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| 17:02.23 | Amarande | You'll probably get away with the 486 version then |
| 17:02.26 | pihhan | did have sarge's aptitude cancel pending actions function? |
| 17:02.32 | wols | S4nD3r: if you have a k7, use a k7 kernel |
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| 17:02.39 | Amarande | The main reason I even bothered to switch over to k7 is that I have 2GB and the 486 kernel supports only 1GB |
| 17:02.56 | xingu | Amarande: nm -D /lib/libc.so.6 | grep __cxa_atexit |
| 17:03.14 | xingu | Amarande: seems to here on sid/amd64. |
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| 17:03.18 | Amarande | ahh, it's there on etch, too |
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| 17:03.35 | Amarande | I have this mad idea that I might buy Maya at some point, and apparently that is required to be in the libc |
| 17:03.41 | jgalvin1 | anyone here have a server with Hetzner? |
| 17:03.56 | S4nD3r | I dont undestand when kernel versions will be usefull for my system??? |
| 17:04.02 | wintix | jgalvin1: yes. ask your real question. |
| 17:04.05 | S4nD3r | I dont know why keep kernel updated |
| 17:04.07 | Amarande | bah, why does autodesk think that you need a dual core Xeon to run 3D modeling? |
| 17:04.16 | Amarande | it's like they think AMD sucks, or something. :) |
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| 17:04.16 | xeihin | I did apt-get install apache2 |
| 17:04.16 | jgalvin1 | wintix, i don't speak german so am having trouble with the system |
| 17:04.20 | xeihin | but apache2 don't start |
| 17:04.21 | jgalvin1 | basically... my server is badly screwed up |
| 17:04.29 | jgalvin1 | i think its the RAM, but can't say for sure |
| 17:04.29 | S4nD3r | Id like to compile kernel to my own, but im not safe that |
| 17:04.34 | jgalvin1 | i want to wipe it and start afresh |
| 17:04.36 | Amarande | or is it that the Opteron is too old and AMD doesn't make "workstation-specific" CPUs :P |
| 17:04.38 | wintix | jgalvin1: /msg dpkg locales |
| 17:05.05 | wintix | jgalvin1: you can easily switch to another language. |
| 17:05.06 | S4nD3r | Someone told me to compile the kernel, that my machine will be faster, and will work best |
| 17:05.12 | S4nD3r | I dont know |
| 17:05.18 | jgalvin1 | ah i know the server itself is ok |
| 17:05.18 | wols | S4nD3r: not really true |
| 17:05.31 | jgalvin1 | i mean the serivce that hetzner provide with reset system/rescuesystem |
| 17:05.33 | ustunozgur | jgalvin1: dpkg-reconfigure locale |
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| 17:05.34 | wintix | S4nD3r: it might boot faster. but it won't definitely run faster. |
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| 17:05.57 | omri | if I'm apt-getting kernel-image, do I have to apply the patches for it to be 100% like the original debian kernel? |
| 17:06.14 | wintix | jgalvin1: ah. i see. one moment. have to log in there. |
| 17:06.15 | omri | *linux-image, that is |
| 17:06.37 | jgalvin1 | thanks wintix |
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| 17:07.22 | xoz | xeihin: apt-get remove --purgee apache2.2-common; apt-get install apache2.2-common |
| 17:07.31 | S4nD3r | Ok then. |
| 17:07.38 | xoz | xingu: s/purgee/purge |
| 17:07.43 | S4nD3r | Now I have installed kernel-image-2.6-k7 |
| 17:07.49 | xoz | xeihin: s/purgee/purge |
| 17:07.53 | S4nD3r | linux-headres-2.6.18-4-k7 |
| 17:07.54 | xoz | xingu: forget it |
| 17:08.05 | S4nD3r | linux-images-2.6.18-4-k7 |
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| 17:08.13 | S4nD3r | linux-image-2.6-k7 |
| 17:08.19 | wintix | jgalvin1: i don't think you can request a total software reset of your server via the webinterface. maybe write them a mail. (or boot into the rescuesystem and bootstrap it.) |
| 17:08.23 | S4nD3r | Is that correct? |
| 17:08.48 | jgalvin1 | ok |
| 17:08.54 | jgalvin1 | thanks wintix - i'll boot into rescuesystem |
| 17:09.18 | wintix | jgalvin1: /msg dpkg debootstrap |
| 17:09.31 | S4nD3r | All I have installed now about kernel is that: linux-image-2.6-k7, linux-image-2.6-k7, linux-headres-2.6.18-4-k7, kernel-image-2.6-k7. |
| 17:09.33 | omri | I've installed linux-tree-2.6.18; is the .tar.bz2 file in /usr/src patched with debian patches? if not, how do I patch it? |
| 17:09.38 | S4nD3r | What else should I install ? |
| 17:10.22 | wintix | S4nD3r: what do you want to do? |
| 17:10.37 | harpi | does anyone know how to get dpkg to automatically fetch dependencies, or alternatively get apt-get to install a locally downloaded deb package (and automatically fetch dependencies, as it usually does). This seems like functionality that should be there, but I'm just missing. I've searched for this and briefly read the docs but I haven't found an answer |
| 17:10.49 | S4nD3r | I want to correct a possible error about different versions of kernels |
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| 17:11.04 | lakupuu | sup homies |
| 17:11.08 | davis | hmm. i have apache2 installed and not apache. However, I dont see any webserver running on port 80. ps auxw shows apache2 running. any idea? |
| 17:11.42 | wintix | davis: look into it's config. maybe it' |
| 17:11.47 | wintix | s set to only listen on 127.0.0.1 |
| 17:12.01 | wintix | .oO( god damn keyboard. ) |
| 17:12.07 | davis | hmm. |
| 17:12.08 | c0nf | uh, how do i install nvidia graphic drivers? i'm following the tut on wiki.debian.org, but it shows - E: Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-common |
| 17:12.17 | harpi | no one :'( |
| 17:12.30 | lakupuu | :3 |
| 17:12.33 | wintix | c0nf: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 17:12.39 | valdyn | !non-free |
| 17:12.39 | dpkg | non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianistas would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there . See #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html Also ask me about "vrms" |
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| 17:12.55 | h3sp4wn | harpi: afaik gdebi is the only one that can do that |
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| 17:13.14 | Amarande | ok, am I seeing ignorance on some boards, or what ... |
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| 17:13.16 | c0nf | thanks Winkie |
| 17:13.17 | c0nf | wintix |
| 17:13.18 | c0nf | :p |
| 17:13.23 | Amarande | "____ was compiled for RPM based distributions" |
| 17:13.30 | Amarande | RPM is a package manager, and nothing more. :| |
| 17:13.36 | harpi | afaik gdebi is a program ? |
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| 17:13.47 | stew | harpi: dpkg -i /path/to/deb ; apt-get -f install ; |
| 17:13.58 | Amarande | Light's sake, I could rebuild NetBSD to install packages via RPM, wouldn't make it run stuff "compiled for RPM based distros" :) |
| 17:14.19 | h3sp4wn | harpi: gdebi is a program |
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| 17:14.27 | timthelion | fetchmail isn't sending the mail to /var/mail/$USER, is there a way I could find out where it is sending it, and change it to /var/mail/$USER? |
| 17:14.30 | Amarande | There seems to be this idea going around that .deb based distros are somehow compiled differently, in an essentially important way, from .rpm based distros. |
| 17:14.35 | S4nD3r | Its recommended to install new version of kernel?? 2.6.21 ? |
| 17:14.46 | xand | timthelion: it doesn't put it there directly |
| 17:14.49 | valdyn | timthelion: where does it send to? |
| 17:14.51 | xand | timthelion: it sends it to your local MTA |
| 17:14.52 | Amarande | Like, enough to make Debian an essentially different OS from non-free software's standpoint. |
| 17:15.00 | harpi | stew: i'm afraid i don't understand |
| 17:15.00 | Seb__ | any idea why calling "debuild" would yield "dh_testroot: You must run this as root (or use fakeroot)." when the manpage for debuild mentions that fakeroot will be used as the default ? |
| 17:15.09 | c0nf | wintix, |
| 17:15.09 | c0nf | E: Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64 |
| 17:15.12 | timthelion | valdyn I don't have any clue, it just runs |
| 17:15.21 | h3sp4wn | Amarande: the way they deal with lib32 and lib64 is |
| 17:15.24 | timthelion | xand so what do I have to do to get it there/ |
| 17:15.34 | stew | harpi: run "dpkg -i /path/to/deb" to install the package, it will fail becuase of the missing dependencies, then run "apt-get -f install" which will install the dependencies then finish installing the original .deb |
| 17:15.35 | xand | timthelion: well, does your MTA put mail in the right place? |
| 17:15.39 | wintix | c0nf: /msg dpkg non-free |
| 17:15.46 | Amarande | hmm |
| 17:15.48 | timthelion | xand MTA? |
| 17:15.49 | valdyn | timthelion: im not sure what the default is for sendmail, but normally you would set this in an mda line anyway, i guess |
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| 17:15.56 | Amarande | I've never tried to mix 32 and 64 bit libs, so I'm not entirely sure how that works. :) |
| 17:15.58 | xand | timthelion: smtp program, like exim |
| 17:15.59 | valdyn | s/sendmail/fetchmail/ |
| 17:16.04 | bushblows | I compiled 2.5.18.8 and finished install with "dpkg -i kernal-img-name" and reboot then get a kernel panic |
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| 17:16.10 | harpi | stew: oki i try |
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| 17:16.20 | bushblows | something about not beeing able to boot hda1 root |
| 17:16.24 | bushblows | any thoughts on whats up |
| 17:16.27 | Amarande | I'm not sure if I can run the nvidia driver on 64-bit kernel, otherwise I'd use amd64 kernel and well ... still 32-bit libs, mostly for non-free software's sake |
| 17:16.30 | wintix | concept10: add "non-free contrib" to your deb and deb-src lines in /etc/apt/sources.list and run apt-get update |
| 17:16.36 | stew | bushblows: /msg dpkg can't mount root |
| 17:16.41 | xand | bushblows: you compiled what? |
| 17:16.43 | timthelion | xand, I don't know, I was under the impression that I could just get fetchmail working and mh would work. |
| 17:17.00 | wols | timthelion: fetchmail by default delivers to port 25/tcp, aka your MTA |
| 17:17.10 | bushblows | the kernel 2.6.18.8 |
| 17:17.11 | wintix | s/concept10/c0nf/ |
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| 17:17.22 | valdyn | timthelion: ...and your mta knows nothing about the email address you are fetching mail for/from |
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| 17:17.25 | S4nD3r | please |
| 17:17.27 | timthelion | wols so it might not be sending it anywhere unless I have an mta |
| 17:17.32 | c0nf | wintix, what s/concept10/c0nf/ :S |
| 17:17.33 | valdyn | timthelion: in all likelyness |
| 17:17.34 | S4nD3r | help me solve this problem of kernel |
| 17:17.38 | S4nD3r | kernel version |
| 17:17.40 | xand | timthelion: by default you'll have exim4 installed |
| 17:17.40 | valdyn | timthelion: you have an mta |
| 17:17.40 | Amarande | timthelion, you probably just threw away your email :) |
| 17:17.44 | wintix | c0nf: add "non-free contrib" to your deb and deb-src lines in /etc/apt/sources.list and run apt-get update |
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| 17:17.51 | Amarande | one of many reasons that I use imap now and not pop3 :| |
| 17:17.53 | S4nD3r | Which are the files I must install to a new kernel version ??? |
| 17:17.56 | c0nf | you wanna say nvidia-driver isn't free? |
| 17:17.56 | timthelion | Amarande doesn't matter. I use gmail. |
| 17:18.01 | valdyn | i think his mta will just refuse those mails |
| 17:18.01 | eeyore- | Amarande: nvidia driver works fine on 64-bit kernels |
| 17:18.01 | xand | timthelion: I suggest you look in /var/log/exim4/* |
| 17:18.09 | wintix | c0nf: and follow the things dpkg told you about nvidia one-liner |
| 17:18.10 | stew | S4nD3r: /msg dpkg upgrade kernel |
| 17:18.20 | c0nf | wintix: you wanna say nvidia-driver isn't free? |
| 17:18.22 | bushblows | stew: thanks I prob did forget support for the filesystem |
| 17:18.26 | wols | timthelion: you should have an MTA anyways |
| 17:18.26 | Amarande | and I'm assuming that dropping in a 64-bit kernel when userland binaries are all 32-bit *won't* break things? |
| 17:18.31 | wintix | c0nf: yes. |
| 17:18.33 | stew | c0nf: yes. the nvidia driver is not free |
| 17:18.35 | Amarande | then again, will it give any benefits, either? |
| 17:18.37 | c0nf | lol :| |
| 17:18.40 | valdyn | timthelion: your exim4 does not magically know who this gmail.com stuff is for |
| 17:18.50 | eeyore- | Amarande: most things will work, except flash |
| 17:18.51 | Amarande | c0nf: it's free as in free beer, but not free as in Debian's policy for what counts as 'free' :) |
| 17:18.57 | wols | valdyn: it doesn't care (much) |
| 17:19.01 | c0nf | :) ok |
| 17:19.02 | Amarande | eeyore-, flash needs a kernel driver? |
| 17:19.10 | wols | cause it sends to user XYZ as specized in your fetchmail config |
| 17:19.20 | wols | Amarande: no |
| 17:19.22 | eeyore- | Amarande: flash won't install (installer says it doesn't like your arch) |
| 17:20.04 | Amarande | ahh, PEOCC, then. :) |
| 17:20.45 | valdyn | Amarande: it will break some things |
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| 17:21.26 | Amarande | PEOCC meaning Problem Exists On Corporate Campus. |
| 17:21.32 | Amarande | Typical problem with non-free software ;) |
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| 17:21.51 | c0nf | wintix: how would non-free contrib would look like? "deb http://xxxxxxxx.debian.org/ ....." |
| 17:22.06 | S4nD3r | I did it: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-k7 |
| 17:22.13 | S4nD3r | what about now ? |
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| 17:23.01 | Amarande | hmm |
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| 17:23.06 | Amarande | is contrib even vetted for freeness? |
| 17:23.09 | Amarande | I thought contrib was separate :) |
| 17:23.11 | stew | S4nD3r: that's it |
| 17:23.20 | valdyn | !contrib |
| 17:23.20 | dpkg | well, contrib is debian packages that are free, but depend on software not in debian (possibly in contrib or non-free) To get packages in contrib, lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end. Ask me about <non-free> |
| 17:23.25 | aadil | reboot |
| 17:23.26 | aadil | :D |
| 17:23.32 | S4nD3r | Ok. How to know if its was installed correctelly? |
| 17:23.38 | stew | Amarande: contrib is just as free as main, its just that contrib depends on software not in main (be it free or not free) |
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| 17:23.48 | c0nf | >:| |
| 17:23.50 | stew | S4nD3r: by rebooting and trying the new kernel |
| 17:23.55 | S4nD3r | because, if I get any boot problem, I wont have how to connect again |
| 17:23.57 | Amarande | generally speaking, you probably want these three lines in your sources.list, if you're running etch |
| 17:23.59 | wintix | c0nf: ? |
| 17:24.08 | Amarande | deb http://debian.lcs.mit.edu/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 17:24.08 | Amarande | deb-src http://debian.lcs.mit.edu/debian/ sid main contrib non-free |
| 17:24.09 | Amarande | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 17:24.16 | xand | !paste |
| 17:24.16 | dpkg | i guess paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC or if those are not working, ask me about <pastebin> for other options |
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| 17:24.18 | stew | S4nD3r: if you get any boot problem, you should be able to use the kernel you are using now |
| 17:24.27 | c0nf | wintix: you told me to add non-free contrib, and i'm asking how would that lines look like.. but seems Amarande answered |
| 17:24.29 | S4nD3r | is that one |
| 17:24.31 | minus198 | Wish me luck guys :P Now its debiantime! Hate to lose 350GB of warez thou.. x| |
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| 17:24.37 | c0nf | thx Amarande |
| 17:24.46 | valdyn | Amarande: i'd want the deb-src line for security.d.org too, or none |
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| 17:24.56 | wintix | c0nf: valdyn wrote !contrib and the bot told you. |
| 17:24.58 | Amarande | valdyn, does security.d.org have deb-src for sid? |
| 17:25.12 | wintix | c0nf: and Amarande just pasted the whole thing. |
| 17:25.18 | valdyn | Amarande: oh, i misread |
| 17:25.24 | Amarande | I have (and tend to recommend) pointing deb-src to sid, because if you're going to be compiling your own packages |
| 17:25.24 | valdyn | Amarande: guess this makes sense.. |
| 17:25.34 | Amarande | chances are it's because you want something that either isn't available, or is a version not available in etch. |
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| 17:26.05 | Vanpriest | hi, how can i copy all files from all directory into anther folder, but i dont want to copy hidden files? |
| 17:26.11 | mnvl | is there a frontend that takes me through kernel configuration?? |
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| 17:26.16 | valdyn | Vanpriest: sure |
| 17:26.23 | Vanpriest | sure? |
| 17:26.32 | valdyn | Vanpriest: err, man rsync, see --exclude options |
| 17:26.36 | wintix | mnvl: 'make menuconfig' or 'make xconfig' |
| 17:26.37 | S4nD3r | Ready... |
| 17:26.40 | Vanpriest | i use cp -fr folder |
| 17:26.42 | S4nD3r | I am back again |
| 17:26.45 | Vanpriest | but it copy everythin |
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| 17:26.46 | S4nD3r | using the k7 kernel |
| 17:26.49 | pheonix_ | anyone has a ubuntu 7.04 dvd |
| 17:26.58 | stew | pheonix_: wrong channel, try #ubuntu |
| 17:27.02 | wintix | mnvl: you will need libncurses5-dev to get make menuconfig working. |
| 17:27.13 | eeyore- | but ... but ubuntu is based on debian! |
| 17:27.15 | S4nD3r | Now I have a problem o install spca5xx driver to use my webcam |
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| 17:27.26 | wintix | !based on debian |
| 17:27.27 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 17:27.53 | Amarande | what wintix said :) |
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| 17:28.02 | Amarande | saying that debian can give support just because a distro uses .deb |
| 17:28.07 | stew | uhh, he was jokin |
| 17:28.09 | stew | g |
| 17:28.11 | Amarande | is like saying that #redhat would support anything that uses .rpm ;) |
| 17:28.20 | valdyn | S4nD3r: look for the gspca drivers |
| 17:28.21 | c0nf | wintix: same problem.. E: Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64 |
| 17:28.29 | Amarande | speaking of which, are the RPM distros any more compatible with each other than the DEB ones? |
| 17:28.33 | S4nD3r | ?? |
| 17:28.38 | valdyn | S4nD3r: sais they are a rewrite, and they are precompiled for debian kernels too |
| 17:28.39 | eeyore- | Amarande: not really |
| 17:28.46 | Amarande | eeyore-, thought so |
| 17:28.55 | valdyn | S4nD3r: apt-cache search gspca |
| 17:28.59 | penguin | I have the netinstall disk, Debian on /dev/sda1 and vista on /dev/sdb1, how to use the netinstall disk to get grub working? |
| 17:29.01 | Amarande | which is why I thought it was preposterous when I read on the maya forums that someone said maya was "compiled for RPM based distributions" |
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| 17:29.07 | garo | Isn't there a light debian package of mplayer ? I don't want everything related to X (I only play music with it and i do that in the console) |
| 17:29.12 | stew | Amarande: you were just agreeing that ubuntu is off-topic. do you really think that the rpm based ones are? |
| 17:29.14 | Amarande | like RPM based distros are somehow, well, all special. :) |
| 17:29.19 | jelly-home | Amarande: probably less. There are even forks of rpm with differing features |
| 17:29.34 | wintix | c0nf: try that: /msg dpkg nvidia_post_etch |
| 17:29.36 | S4nD3r | gspca ?? |
| 17:29.48 | S4nD3r | Its a kind of kernel compiled to use videos |
| 17:29.54 | S4nD3r | or something like that ? |
| 17:29.54 | penguin | So like how to get to the command line with the netinstall disk? |
| 17:29.59 | Amarande | stew, it was a comparative comment on distros, rather than a support request for a non-supported distro. :) |
| 17:30.08 | eeyore- | penguin: console #2 |
| 17:30.18 | Amarande | and the real thing it makes one wonder is whether commercial software is less compatible with Debian than with Fedora or Mandriva or whatnot. |
| 17:30.35 | tarzeau | abrotman: haha check this out: http://games.freebasic.info/?a=6 |
| 17:30.37 | Amarande | i.e., whether Debian not only discourages the use of, but unintentionally perhaps breaks non-free stuff. |
| 17:30.39 | valdyn | S4nD3r: you are looking for a driver named spca5xx, look for gspca instead. Read the description |
| 17:30.45 | modern | Hello |
| 17:30.51 | eeyore- | Amarande: the only software i've found so far that isn't "compatible" with my choice of linux is netbackup, but that's because it depends on java |
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| 17:31.07 | wintix | heh. |
| 17:31.08 | S4nD3r | valdyn: ok then |
| 17:31.16 | Amarande | not that I'm going to be spending $2000 on 3D modeling software anytime especially soon, especially since I don't know if I even have enough talent for it. :) |
| 17:31.18 | eeyore- | isn't it just ironic how a thing that is supposed to make platforms work the same way is the very thing that makes it not work the same way? |
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| 17:31.53 | Amarande | I still find it surprising that the Red Hat package manager remains more popular than Debian's though |
| 17:32.04 | Amarande | from my experiences with RPM and DEB, I have to say dpkg is far more sane :) |
| 17:32.07 | mnvl | thanks, wintix |
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| 17:32.15 | S4nD3r | Ok, valdyn, I installed |
| 17:32.15 | valdyn | Amarande: how more popular? |
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| 17:32.17 | Amarande | it might be a bit easier to build a package with RPM, but I'm not especially sure that's a good thing :| |
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| 17:32.20 | eeyore- | Amarande: (more sane and also more intractible) |
| 17:32.21 | modern | confidential |
| 17:32.21 | S4nD3r | I need to reboot ? |
| 17:32.25 | valdyn | Amarande: isnt ubuntu the most popular distro already? |
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| 17:32.32 | tarzeau | valdyn: i think it is |
| 17:32.40 | Amarande | valdyn, not sure, I haven't really monitored distro popularity since the olden days |
| 17:32.47 | Amarande | read: when "Red Hat Linux" was still free |
| 17:32.51 | tarzeau | valdyn, Amarande look at the numbers at http://popcon.debian.org and http://popcon.ubuntu.com then www.linuxcounter.org |
| 17:32.51 | Amarande | even though I used Debian then as well |
| 17:32.52 | jelly-home | olden == 2002? :-) |
| 17:32.57 | valdyn | Amarande: just 'enterprise' distros are rpm ( and mandriva ), or so it seems to me |
| 17:33.23 | Amarande | ahh, did SuSE stop being free too? |
| 17:33.27 | Amarande | dang, it's been a while |
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| 17:33.40 | stew | Amarande: ask #suse |
| 17:33.44 | mathieu2 | why would alsamixer work for root and not for a user? |
| 17:33.55 | Amarande | mathieu2, your user probably doesn't have the right privileges |
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| 17:33.58 | eeyore- | mathez: because said user has no rights to access the sound stuff |
| 17:33.58 | stew | mathieu2: the user isn't in the audio group |
| 17:34.09 | stew | mathieu2: "adduser username audio" then logout and back in |
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| 17:34.22 | valdyn | Amarande: nah, but i had the impression that opensuse is just like fc, a testbed for the 'real' thing |
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| 17:34.50 | Amarande | of course, I'm of the mind that says everyone should run debian |
| 17:34.58 | silensius | i'm doing a fat32 check what's is the meaning of this result http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19657/ |
| 17:34.59 | Amarande | someone wants to convert to linux, the first thing I go is "you should get debian" :) |
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| 17:35.09 | eeyore- | Amarande: funny |
| 17:35.24 | Amarande | eeyore-, well, such people are usually my friends, and will probably come to me for support |
| 17:35.45 | Amarande | and seeing as 1) I know quite well how to get a Debian box up and running, and 2) I haven't run any other distros other than live-CDs in ages ... |
| 17:35.50 | wols | Amarande: debian is the last thing I tell people to use actually |
| 17:36.05 | eeyore- | ya. i tell them to install windows xp |
| 17:36.09 | eeyore- | (and avoid vista) |
| 17:36.22 | Amarande | only Darkfriends recommend using Windows :) |
| 17:36.28 | mathieu2 | stew: very nice thnak you |
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| 17:36.44 | eeyore- | i just value my family time :) i'd much rather be outdoors than fixing computers |
| 17:36.45 | wols | better to give them ubuntu or such: there they have at least a fighting chance |
| 17:36.52 | wols | windows to debian is just too hard a jump |
| 17:36.53 | jelly-home | silensius: you can probably ignore it |
| 17:36.58 | silensius | :) |
| 17:37.09 | Vanpriest | $ is the begin of the line, what is the symbol for the end? |
| 17:37.12 | silensius | yes i do |
| 17:37.18 | valdyn | Vanpriest: $? |
| 17:37.23 | wols | valdyn: regex |
| 17:37.23 | valdyn | Vanpriest: in which context? |
| 17:37.26 | eeyore- | Vanpriest: in sed, ^ is the beginning and $ is the end |
| 17:37.30 | Vanpriest | oh.. |
| 17:37.30 | Amarande | wols, it's pretty easy if you have someone who can help you through setting it up :) |
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| 17:37.34 | Vanpriest | XD sorry wrong. |
| 17:37.41 | Amarande | which I do, mind you, when telling someone to set up debian |
| 17:37.47 | Vanpriest | is it possible to use locate /test$ ? |
| 17:37.48 | jelly-home | silensius: if you're using the partition solely as storage and not booting from it, boot sector doesn't get used anyway |
| 17:37.48 | Solefald | uhm... is it me or libapache2-mod-auth-mysql is missing from Etch? |
| 17:37.53 | Vanpriest | is it possible to use locate test$ ? |
| 17:37.54 | Amarande | though my father still hasn't quite learned how to log out yet ... :| |
| 17:37.55 | eeyore- | Vanpriest: sure |
| 17:38.00 | Amarande | I keep having to kill his GNOME session manually |
| 17:38.11 | Amarande | but that's on my box, not a separate one |
| 17:38.17 | silensius | <jelly-home> i'm use to boot :( |
| 17:38.30 | jelly-home | silensius: from a vfat partition? |
| 17:38.31 | Vanpriest | it does not work xD |
| 17:38.31 | wols | silensius: that's certainly no debian question then |
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| 17:39.09 | silensius | sorry i'm confuse is not a boot partition |
| 17:39.10 | jelly-home | silensius: I strongly suggest running the OS' own fsck tool (chkdsk I think) |
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| 17:39.19 | rocketmagnet | stew: do you know how i can test if someone not localhost can access the apache server ? |
| 17:39.23 | silensius | ok |
| 17:39.25 | valdyn | Vanpriest: you can use locate /test | grep test$, if you dont want to read the locate manpage ( or if it doesnt support this ) |
| 17:39.35 | rocketmagnet | i need some external terminal or ? |
| 17:39.41 | garo | rocketmagnet: use a proxy |
| 17:39.56 | jelly-home | silensius: if it's not a boot partition, you can probably just ignore it like I said in the first place |
| 17:40.01 | wols | rocketmagnet: use tor |
| 17:40.05 | silensius | ok thanks |
| 17:40.07 | Zee1ot | if I have just one drive in a laptop is there an advantage in seperating the /home /usr /var /tmp partitions? |
| 17:40.24 | eeyore- | Vanpriest: it should --- what did you do wrong? context? |
| 17:40.30 | HymnToLife | Zee1ot, for /home, definitely |
| 17:40.31 | mathieu2 | Zee1ot: there are advantages and disadvantages |
| 17:40.40 | valdyn | Zee1ot: some, also some disadvantages |
| 17:40.40 | chops | Zee1ot: I generally make one partition for /, and another for /home |
| 17:40.41 | rocketmagnet | that's what ? |
| 17:40.42 | HymnToLife | the others are not as important |
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| 17:40.49 | chops | Zee1ot: And use a swap file instead of a partition. |
| 17:40.51 | chops | Zee1ot: YMMV. |
| 17:40.54 | Zee1ot | alright thanks |
| 17:40.55 | valdyn | Zee1ot: which i personally consider to be to grave |
| 17:41.02 | mathieu2 | Zee1ot: i put everything on the same partition |
| 17:41.07 | eeyore- | chops: swap file? |
| 17:41.12 | chops | eeyore-: Swap file. |
| 17:41.13 | ustunozgur | Zee1ot: same for one for / and one for /home |
| 17:41.23 | eeyore- | what's the rationale for going through a filesystem layer for access to swap? |
| 17:41.33 | chops | eeyore-: It's easier to resize |
| 17:41.47 | rocketmagnet | wols: thx for the tip! |
| 17:41.56 | eeyore- | are you in the habit of resizing swap files often? |
| 17:42.03 | HymnToLife | it's also better if yoiu have more than one Linux |
| 17:42.06 | chops | eeyore-: IIRC it doesn't actually go through the FS layer except for initialization; it computes what extents are in the file, and then uses those extents directly. |
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| 17:42.22 | chops | eeyore-: More often than I'm in the habit of repartitioning my drives, yes :-) |
| 17:42.29 | HymnToLife | cause if your swap file is not on the partition of the Linux you're using |
| 17:42.38 | HymnToLife | it's prety much pointless to have one at all |
| 17:42.50 | xingu | eeyore-: so that you can nfs mount it of course |
| 17:42.59 | xingu | </sarcastic> |
| 17:43.10 | pihhan | how can i get rid of this message in aptitude? |
| 17:43.10 | rocketmagnet | wols: apt-cache search tor shows me too many results, do you may know the package name ? |
| 17:43.14 | pihhan | W: Warning: could not lock the cache file. Opening in read-only mode |
| 17:43.15 | eeyore- | xingu: :-) you might as well swap over network block device for that |
| 17:43.20 | chops | xingu: I've actually done that (network block device, not NFS) for a low-memory dumb terminal before :-) |
| 17:43.53 | xingu | I've done it when disks were too expensive to have large ones locally |
| 17:43.53 | valdyn | pihhan: quite the other aptitude / dpkg / apt-get you are running |
| 17:43.56 | eeyore- | HymnToLife: i don't follow |
| 17:44.00 | valdyn | s/quite/quit/ |
| 17:44.10 | wols | rocketmagnet: tor |
| 17:44.12 | Zee1ot | is there a page I can read more about the advantages and disadvantages? |
| 17:44.25 | wols | rocketmagnet: apt-cache show tor |
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| 17:44.34 | pihhan | waldyn: no other instance is running |
| 17:44.45 | valdyn | Zee1ot: the disadvantage is that you may size those partitions wrongly for some of your needs |
| 17:45.07 | valdyn | Zee1ot: the advantage is a tiny bit of safety |
| 17:45.10 | HymnToLife | eeyore-, let's say I have Debian and Gentoo installed, my swap file in on Debian's partition and I'm using Gentoo |
| 17:45.19 | HymnToLife | how does that differ from having a swap partition ? |
| 17:45.21 | xingu | gah |
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| 17:45.27 | xingu | covered in crap |
| 17:45.33 | xingu | sigh, perfect end to a monday |
| 17:45.45 | pihhan | HymnToLife, it is slower |
| 17:46.12 | HymnToLife | yep, so a swap file is not always better than a swap partition |
| 17:46.16 | pihhan | how can i find lockfile of aptitude? |
| 17:46.16 | HymnToLife | ^^^my point :p |
| 17:46.21 | pihhan | how can i clean that? |
| 17:46.29 | eeyore- | HymnToLife: i see |
| 17:46.40 | valdyn | pihhan: are you sure that no other process is running that would be realy locking that file? |
| 17:46.57 | pihhan | valdyn, yes i am |
| 17:47.17 | valdyn | pihhan: look at /var/lock/ or /var/run/ |
| 17:47.17 | eeyore- | pihhan: the computer is always right about this kind of thing |
| 17:47.47 | Zee1ot | valdyn: got it, thanks |
| 17:47.51 | xingu | Zee1ot: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Partition/ |
| 17:47.52 | pihhan | eeyore-, then i have hacker blocking my aptitude and changes ps to not show it? |
| 17:48.02 | valdyn | pihhan: no |
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| 17:48.21 | valdyn | pihhan: but - you must have had a crashed dpkg or a crashed aptitude or a unclean shutdown |
| 17:48.35 | S4nD3r | It Workes |
| 17:48.38 | S4nD3r | Works |
| 17:48.41 | valdyn | pihhan: if there's really no process owning that lockfile. |
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| 17:48.53 | pihhan | can i find somehow what processes have open that lock? |
| 17:48.55 | Zee1ot | xingu: thanks |
| 17:48.58 | S4nD3r | The gspca... |
| 17:49.12 | S4nD3r | Great, my webcam is working almost perfectelly, valdyn |
| 17:49.13 | eeyore- | pihhan: it's probably not a process but a *file* |
| 17:49.26 | S4nD3r | now I need to find a software to setup the image |
| 17:49.28 | S4nD3r | thanks |
| 17:49.42 | valdyn | pihhan: ps aux | grep dpkg and ps aux | grep aptitude |
| 17:49.53 | eeyore- | pihhan: so you'd be looking for the presence of this file. if you can't find it quickly, maybe "strace" your program (have it follow children) and find out where/how it determines the lock is still held |
| 17:49.53 | valdyn | pihhan: i have no idea if this is a dpkg lockfile or aptitude-specific |
| 17:50.02 | pihhan | eeyore-, yeah, and i want to know if there is process active who locked that file |
| 17:50.19 | stew | pihhan: fuser /path/to/file |
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| 17:50.32 | eeyore- | pihhan: i'm saying the mere presence of the file might be sufficient to constitute the "lock" as far as that piece of code is concerned |
| 17:50.37 | valdyn | that file would have a user? |
| 17:50.41 | xingu | Zee1ot: doesn't have much there just skimming it; disk layouts and religion are like arseholes - everyone's got one. |
| 17:50.46 | stew | i don't think so |
| 17:50.52 | whitebread | what's the debian equal of x11-devel? |
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| 17:51.12 | kth``laptop | Is it possible to bridge between wireless and wired ethernet? or rather, how can I figure out wether my wireless nic is capable of spoofing macs? |
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| 17:51.21 | stew | pihhan: look for processes of apt-get / aptitude / dpkg / debconf / dpkg-reconfigure... |
| 17:51.21 | xingu | Zee1ot: I'm in squarely in the "discrete filesystem per fsstnd root dir" camp myself. |
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| 17:51.22 | h3sp4wn | whitebread: xorg-dev |
| 17:51.24 | denken | whitebread: xorg-dev |
| 17:51.25 | valdyn | whitebread: in which debian release? |
| 17:51.29 | kth``laptop | whether even |
| 17:51.42 | eeyore- | xingu: eeeew |
| 17:51.44 | whitebread | etch |
| 17:51.48 | PerfDave | kth``laptop: Anny NIC caan spoof a mac, it's done by the kernel AFAIK. If you want to bridge interfaces, use bridge-utils. |
| 17:51.51 | whitebread | what about x-window-system-dev and xlibs-dev? |
| 17:52.15 | valdyn | kth``laptop: spoofing macs? |
| 17:52.18 | wols | whitebread: xorg-dev I think |
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| 17:52.25 | valdyn | kth``laptop: you mean if you can set the MAC of your nic? |
| 17:52.29 | wols | and apt-cache search x11 |grep dev |
| 17:52.33 | pihhan | stew, there is none |
| 17:53.04 | pihhan | maybe i had to reset machine when some of that run |
| 17:53.09 | wols | kth``laptop: ifconfig can set abitrary MACs |
| 17:53.09 | pihhan | so it is there |
| 17:53.11 | valdyn | kth``laptop: or are you trying to inject complete packets? |
| 17:53.17 | eeyore- | PerfDave: some wifi cards don't work very well if you spoof the mac ... maybe something to do with the HAL (atheros card?) |
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| 17:54.03 | kth``laptop | I'm trying to bridge wireless and wired nics, and it doesn't work... I assumed the reason to be wireless nic incapable of spoofing the mac |
| 17:54.11 | kth``laptop | Guess I should be looking elsewhere |
| 17:54.14 | xingu | kth`: usr/share/doc/bridge-utils/README.Debian.gz |
| 17:54.20 | xingu | kth`: couldn't get clearer. |
| 17:54.21 | pihhan | what the hell?! |
| 17:54.26 | S4nD3r | I looking for a software to works with my webcam, just camorama works |
| 17:54.30 | pihhan | how can i find that damn lock? |
| 17:54.40 | valdyn | kth``laptop: yea, that has nothing to do with bridging |
| 17:54.41 | aanderse | hey i'm not sure about the debian repositories ... how do i add unstable repos to my sources.list? |
| 17:54.53 | PerfDave | aanderse: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 17:54.57 | xingu | kth`: nb, typically your access point will filter your association to your wlan's mac address |
| 17:54.58 | wols | pihhan: find / -name *.lock |
| 17:55.19 | S4nD3r | the images are slow |
| 17:55.23 | wintix | aanderse: you probably shouldn't use it, if you have to ask. |
| 17:55.23 | aanderse | thank you PerfDave |
| 17:55.26 | wols | kth``laptop: why do you need to bridge? |
| 17:55.52 | pihhan | strace was not good option :( |
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| 17:56.12 | aanderse | wintix: well i'm coming from ubuntu ... i'm an knowledeable user, just not sure how the debian repos work yet :) |
| 17:56.20 | eeyore- | pihhan: it's not? that's rather surprising |
| 17:56.21 | whitebread | anyone in here use fluxbox? |
| 17:56.26 | pihhan | aptitude does open too much files there |
| 17:56.31 | Gokee2 | I hate it when I am shuting down my laptop and right after I type the halt command I remember that the console is sshed into my main computer :( |
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| 17:57.06 | Jay2 | how can i see the partition table in MB units instead of sectors or cylinders? |
| 17:57.13 | eeyore- | Gokee2: rename /sbin/halt |
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| 17:57.44 | Gokee2 | eeyore-, Hmmm I might.. I had not thought of that |
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| 17:57.45 | Jay2 | i really just want to know the size of the swap partition in MB |
| 17:58.01 | eeyore- | Gokee2: or make a "halt" user with a password, and set the shell to /sbin/halt |
| 17:58.04 | wols | Jay2: cfdisk should show it in MB I think |
| 17:58.18 | eeyore- | Gokee2: so you actually have to "su halt" and type in password to halt the computer :-) |
| 17:58.45 | Gokee2 | heh |
| 17:58.45 | Jay2 | thanks |
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| 17:59.14 | xingu | kth``laptop: nb; once you're through reading bridge-utils README.Debian.gz, install arptables, look at --mangle, and break out the sick bag. |
| 17:59.36 | Amarande | speaking of shutdown and halt |
| 17:59.43 | Amarande | unless this actually already does it and I haven't checked |
| 17:59.53 | kth``laptop | wols; This is a laptop, with wired,wireless a few bluetooth pan and qemu's tap interfaces, internet/lan is either on lan or wlan interfaces, setting up iptables nat requires to edit /../interfaces every time there's a change on which interface the lan/internet is. Thought bridging is easier than that. Or is there a better way to do this? |
| 17:59.59 | Amarande | is there a way to make the GNOME login screen not allow the system to be shut down or restarted without the root password? |
| 18:00.04 | h3sp4wn | kth``laptop: Are you using madwifi ? |
| 18:00.10 | kth``laptop | h3sp4wn; ipw3945 |
| 18:00.17 | Amarande | GNOME = GDM, I mean |
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| 18:00.32 | xingu | kth``laptop: that is a reasonable fit, just use the bridge-utils sample config for auto br0... iface br0 etc. |
| 18:00.37 | xingu | kth``laptop: do that myself. |
| 18:01.08 | wols | kth``laptop: why does the WAN interface constantly change? |
| 18:01.10 | xingu | kth``laptop: just don't try actually *using* it as a bridge without something like a sick bag and arptables --mangle. |
| 18:01.12 | Amarande | heh, I can't remember the last time I had a swap partition |
| 18:01.29 | Amarande | xingu: make sure he channels saidin heavily for a few years first, too |
| 18:01.35 | Amarande | he'll need the madness :) |
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| 18:01.51 | kth``laptop | wols; at home I'm using 100basetx, at work it's wifi |
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| 18:02.17 | Amarande | I still wish it wasn't such black magic to actually see my network status in GNOME when using a static IP on my LAN. :) |
| 18:02.32 | wols | kth``laptop: writhe a script. net_home, net:work |
| 18:02.57 | eeyore- | Amarande: mm? gnome network monitor? |
| 18:03.50 | kth``laptop | wols; That's what I first thought to do, but isn't it a bit hack-ish approach... Or is it? |
| 18:04.24 | Amarande | eeyore-, I think it's called network monitor, yeah |
| 18:04.30 | Amarande | apparently it doesn't work very well with static LANs |
| 18:04.43 | Amarande | it broke when I changed from DHCP to a static and hasn't worked since :) |
| 18:04.53 | pihhan | should aptitude leave these locks: /var/lib/aptitude/lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock |
| 18:05.10 | itchi | Hi, is there some tools for a helpdesk service? Somethings like TOPdesk |
| 18:05.18 | pihhan | it does tell me it cannot lock cache |
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| 18:05.31 | Amarande | itchi, what do you mean by "tools for a helpdesk service"? |
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| 18:05.46 | Amarande | you mean ones to let the helpdesk access the computer remotely? |
| 18:05.54 | Amarande | that's why they made sshd :) |
| 18:05.56 | PerfDave | pihhan: Hmm, I'm having a problem with those files currently... |
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| 18:06.10 | PerfDave | pihhan: http://paste.debian.net/27368 |
| 18:06.12 | itchi | Amarande: An application to store all the calls, the problems and sollutions. With some knowledge database |
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| 18:06.13 | pihhan | it does tell switching to readonly, and does leave these locks in place on quit |
| 18:06.28 | Amarande | itchi: hmm, maybe find out what bugs.debian.org uses, that seems pretty robust |
| 18:06.40 | Amarande | at least for a ticket system |
| 18:06.55 | valdyn | pihhan: it doesnt delete those locks if it already finds those on start |
| 18:06.56 | Amarande | I'm not entirely sure what program they use, it's probably something in debian though. :) |
| 18:07.08 | valdyn | pihhan: or do you mean its creating and leaving them on quit? |
| 18:07.21 | pihhan | valdyn, exactly what i see |
| 18:07.28 | wols | itchi: bugzilla? TRAC? |
| 18:07.37 | PerfDave | Amarande: If you want a good ticketing system, you may want to look at Request Tracker. |
| 18:07.37 | pihhan | valdyn, i remove them by hand, run aptitude, and these are there again |
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| 18:07.49 | ma3x | how do I find out info about my bios without rebooting? |
| 18:07.57 | valdyn | pihhan: on which debian release? |
| 18:07.58 | wols | ma3x: find out what? |
| 18:07.58 | itchi | wols: Yeah, somethings like that, but more the direction of a 'helpdesk' service |
| 18:08.05 | PerfDave | ma3x: dmidecode |
| 18:08.06 | ma3x | wols, like bios name version .... |
| 18:08.15 | PerfDave | itchi: Request Tracker with RTFM |
| 18:08.22 | kth``laptop | ma3x; Try dmidecode |
| 18:08.24 | pihhan | ma3x, try kern.log if acpi does report such information, i dont think there is general way to do that |
| 18:08.26 | itchi | I just tried TOPdesk, cause that was asked on a job interview this afternoon |
| 18:08.34 | Supaplex | RT's rtfm sucks. |
| 18:08.34 | valdyn | pihhan: how are you quitting aptitude? |
| 18:08.39 | pihhan | valdyn, sarge |
| 18:08.40 | Amarande | itchi, assuming your helpdesk people have a clue, you should be ok with more advanced tools like debian's. |
| 18:08.48 | pihhan | valdyn, q key :) |
| 18:08.50 | Amarande | if your helpdesk people don't have a clue, do your customers a favor and replace them with people who do. :) |
| 18:08.50 | Supaplex | but RT rawkz |
| 18:09.03 | Amarande | hmm ... *looks at popcon* old : number of people who installed, but don't use this package regularly; |
| 18:09.09 | Amarande | how does popcon tell who uses what regularly? |
| 18:09.15 | Amarande | are all my commands being noted down and sent to debian? :| |
| 18:09.24 | wols | Amarande: no |
| 18:09.36 | pihhan | valdyn, strange is, it does not report read-only on startup, but does report that after finished download |
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| 18:10.03 | itchi | That company where i'm maybe gona work, already use some GNU/Linux tools (don't ask me what). And currently these use TOPdesk for all the calls these get and to give first line and second support. It's more a tool to manager the cals, web, mail requests |
| 18:10.05 | Amarande | wols: how does it determine between 'using' and 'installing' then? |
| 18:10.34 | Amarande | itchi, let's just say, I preferred the days when calling tech support meant you talked to someone knowledgeable and got personalized help. |
| 18:10.43 | wols | Amarande: doN't think it does or can actually |
| 18:10.48 | itchi | Amarande: Yeah sure |
| 18:10.54 | Amarande | now you get scripted people who are designed to get you on and off the phone without really much care about whether you were really helped |
| 18:10.59 | Amarande | and people who DO care about the customer |
| 18:11.02 | Amarande | get fired for being "too slow". |
| 18:11.09 | dserban | udev doesn't create a device I expect it to... where do I start to debug something like this? |
| 18:11.13 | Amarande | Light, am I glad I do face-to-face customer service and not helpdesk stuff. |
| 18:11.39 | PerfDave | dserban: Nobody understands how udev works, it is sinister black magic. However, seeing whether you've got the relevant kernel module loaded for the device you want may be a good start. |
| 18:11.41 | Amarande | itchi, are the days of the customer being the customer really over? |
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| 18:11.45 | itchi | Amarande: Anyway, these suport need to be done too. |
| 18:11.58 | Amarande | does Western Union for instance really have the right idea when they changed the term "customer" to "consumer" on the form, for instance? |
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| 18:12.27 | yos87 | Hi |
| 18:12.32 | Szeraax | ok, i feel dumb but where is the startup log? |
| 18:12.37 | yos87 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:12.45 | Amarande | it seems like more and more companies deliberately try *not* to care about the customer |
| 18:12.45 | dserban | it's a usb-serial device... it should create /dev/ttyUSB0 etc. But doesn't. It used to, though I'm not sure an upgrade hosed that magical "stuff". |
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| 18:13.16 | xeihin | apache2 package don't work |
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| 18:13.34 | bullium | Szeraax, all your logs are in /var/log/ |
| 18:13.38 | xeihin | don't work for me |
| 18:13.43 | itchi | Amarande: I not care that much, i need work and that's why i 'find' at this time, man, i need food and that's is it |
| 18:13.45 | wols | !tell xeihin about doesn't work |
| 18:13.50 | bullium | startup is /var/log/dmesg |
| 18:13.54 | itchi | s/why/what/ |
| 18:14.03 | Szeraax | bullium: Thanks tons |
| 18:14.08 | Ankman | yos87: probably just crashes |
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| 18:14.32 | ma3x | and how do I find out System make + model/ Motherboard make + and model |
| 18:14.32 | Amarande | itchi, unfortunately I think that might be the main problem these days. :| |
| 18:14.39 | yos87 | Ankman: it wasn't like this |
| 18:14.43 | Amarande | the money must flow, and the quality with which it does is frequently sacrificed. |
| 18:14.44 | beMoD_ | hi |
| 18:14.54 | xeihin | wols ... again? |
| 18:15.02 | Amarande | it's why I'm glad I run debian, which is all about things being ready when they're ready and not forced out for sales. :) |
| 18:15.07 | yos87 | Ankman: what can I do? |
| 18:15.09 | bullium | Szeraax, np, and if you want to browse your last startup log you could just use the dmesg command dmes | grep |
| 18:15.24 | ma3x | how do I find out the motherboard? |
| 18:15.26 | Szeraax | k |
| 18:15.26 | bullium | Szeraax, sorry "dmesg | grep" |
| 18:15.27 | wols | xeihin: a "doesn't work" statement is damn useless for people trying to help you |
| 18:15.37 | Amarande | !doesn't work |
| 18:15.38 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 18:15.40 | wols | ma3x: BIOS ident string |
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| 18:15.43 | bullium | Szeraax, actually "dmesg | less" |
| 18:15.48 | ma3x | wols where? |
| 18:15.50 | yos87 | Ankman: it happen with all multimedia files and player like mplayer totem and rhythmbox |
| 18:15.52 | beMoD_ | has anyone else problems with mysql-server-5.0 with testing? i did an apt-get upgrade and the update of mysql-server-5.0 hangs after stopping the mysqld |
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| 18:16.08 | itchi | I need to look for otrs |
| 18:16.12 | bullium | Szeraax, this way you can use your arrow keys and PGUP & DOWN to go through the log |
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| 18:16.20 | Szeraax | yeah |
| 18:16.20 | xeihin | Ask 2 hours ago |
| 18:16.22 | Szeraax | well, thaks |
| 18:16.26 | Szeraax | now i'm off... |
| 18:16.35 | xeihin | I did apt-get install apache2 |
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| 18:16.40 | Szeraax | have a Grand Day all! |
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| 18:16.46 | xeihin | /etc/init.d/apache2 start but its not working |
| 18:16.55 | wols | ma3x: paste your dmidecode output |
| 18:16.56 | beMoD_ | now i cant remove or do anything else with it cause the mysqld wont start and remove tries to shut down mysqld and fails (for sure) |
| 18:17.30 | xeihin | but apache2: Syntax error on line 189 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Could not open configuration file /etc/apache2/httpd.conf: No such file or directory) |
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| 18:18.00 | ma3x | wols, http://pastebin.ca/475795 |
| 18:18.06 | xeihin | I did the purge and reinstall but not working, I think that its a damaged package ... or something like that ... |
| 18:18.29 | wols | Amilo A Series |
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| 18:18.32 | davis | i sill dont have apache2 working. I do not have any error logs showing apache2 failing to run, but lynx http://localhost fails. |
| 18:18.33 | wols | ma3x: that's it |
| 18:18.48 | ma3x | wols, what? |
| 18:18.56 | wols | ma3x: your mobo |
| 18:18.57 | ma3x | wols, but the motherboard model |
| 18:19.01 | n3kl | Hi. I am looking into sfs as a replacement to rpc and nfs, but it looks like sfs uses nfs as a backbone. Is that right? |
| 18:19.04 | yos87 | when I make apt-get update it give me error : I have problem, When I try to play any media file like mp3 with totem or mplayer, when just open it ircetly disappear from the screen without pla |
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| 18:19.11 | dserban | PerfDave, thanks... heh yes it was missing a module... |
| 18:19.17 | xeihin | For it do you claim me wols? Not to say anything? ¬¬ |
| 18:19.18 | wols | ma3x: it's a notebook. there aren't any notebook mobos sold normally, are there? |
| 18:19.20 | ma3x | wols, it's supposed to be something like silicon integrated systems |
| 18:19.29 | dserban | any way I can tell udev to load these modules automatically if they're not already loaded? |
| 18:19.46 | wols | xeihin: if there is no httpd.conf, it didn't isntall properly |
| 18:19.55 | wols | dserban: put them in /etc/modules |
| 18:19.57 | kfir | i need i2c-sis645 module for lm-sensors to work properly but i don't have it for some reason. i have the debian kernel 2.6.18. |
| 18:20.01 | xeihin | it didn't? or apt didn't? |
| 18:20.01 | yos87 | sorry I past wrong line, when I tro to make apt-get update I get: GPG error: http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG A70DAF536070D3A1 Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (4.0/etch) ftpmaster@debian.org |
| 18:20.05 | Supaplex | !sis |
| 18:20.05 | dpkg | it has been said that sis is http://www.winischhofer.net/linuxsis630.shtml, or shit, or http://www.winischhofer.net/linuxsisvga.shtml, or tEh SUCK |
| 18:20.12 | dserban | wols... isn't that the archaic way to do it? |
| 18:20.18 | dserban | thought udev did it nowadays |
| 18:20.20 | xeihin | apt do what the package say or not? :P |
| 18:20.26 | apt | ACTION does what the package say or not? :P. |
| 18:20.27 | wols | dserban: it's a working way |
| 18:20.28 | bullium | yos87, a more specific error would be nice |
| 18:20.31 | PerfDave | dserban: I don't think that udev does kernel modules, discover/hotplug does. |
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| 18:20.46 | wols | PerfDave: those aren't installed in etch usually |
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| 18:20.51 | wols | only udev |
| 18:20.54 | streuner | discover/hotplug is history |
| 18:20.57 | dserban | ahh :s I'm so confused |
| 18:20.59 | Supaplex | apt: say hi xeihin :) |
| 18:21.01 | apt | hi xeihin :) |
| 18:21.09 | PerfDave | dserban: But no two people seems to give the same answer on this stuff, I think it's why Etch is so buggy compared to Sarge. |
| 18:21.24 | wols | PerfDave: it's just that udev is not mature, that's all |
| 18:21.25 | xeihin | xD |
| 18:21.28 | xeihin | hi apt xD |
| 18:21.34 | davis | i don't have apache installed, and apache2 seems to be working. ie ps auxw shows it running. nothing log says its failing, but lynx http://localhost fails. Ditto for using a web browser from diff host work. |
| 18:21.34 | chops | PerfDave: udev does do kernel modules, I believe |
| 18:21.35 | dserban | PerfDave, oh :( |
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| 18:21.52 | wols | davis: netstat -anp |grep 80 |
| 18:21.56 | xeihin | apt could you tell me why you don't set a /etc/apache2/httpd.conf file for me? |
| 18:21.58 | xeihin | xD |
| 18:21.59 | streuner | !kill PerfDave |
| 18:22.01 | yos87 | bullium: what do you mean? |
| 18:22.12 | chops | dserban: Putting things in /etc/modules is still a good way to do things if udev is getting your modules wrong |
| 18:22.21 | davis | shows apache2 running. |
| 18:22.46 | dserban | chops, ok, fair enough... I'm trying to figure out some rules... though .... meh it's a hard read |
| 18:22.48 | wols | davis: firewall, tcpwrappers |
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| 18:23.01 | davis | i turned them off |
| 18:23.09 | chops | dserban: I've never had any luck with udev when it doesn't do things right straight off. /etc/modules is your friend. |
| 18:23.25 | davis | my bad. |
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| 18:23.34 | Amarande | hmm, I haven't had any problems with udev myself |
| 18:23.35 | dserban | chops, it seems that way... why the fuck can't people just write a decent set of docs for udev? |
| 18:23.37 | PerfDave | stew: Bug #422700 is the aptitude problem I was having earlier... |
| 18:23.40 | davis | aborting iptables load: unknown ruleset "inactive" |
| 18:23.42 | n3kl | Is there a better network file system other than nfs? |
| 18:23.43 | Amarande | but then, I don't really use many hot-plug devices |
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| 18:23.51 | Amarande | I have a USB hard drive, and a USB camera, and that's about it |
| 18:23.51 | wols | streuner: the trouble with it is, it's black magic |
| 18:23.58 | wols | vrey complex, almost undocumented, etc |
| 18:24.04 | wols | it's just not ready for primetime |
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| 18:24.15 | chops | dserban: It's been quite a while since it's not Just Worked(tm) for me, sorry to hear that you're having trouble :-( |
| 18:24.16 | PerfDave | dserban: It'd be nice if there was much decent documentation for anything in GNU/Linux. Either it's nonexistent, like udev, or it's so prolix it's unusable, like CUPS. |
| 18:24.19 | streuner | wols: i don't what you talking about :-) |
| 18:24.20 | Amarande | actually, I haven't tried the camera yet to see if it works right on alviarin |
| 18:24.27 | davis | i wonder what the inactive ruleset looks like. |
| 18:24.30 | streuner | wols: its works here like a charm :-) |
| 18:24.31 | wols | streuner: udev |
| 18:24.35 | Amarande | PerfDave, I've never had problems with CUPS. :) |
| 18:24.36 | streuner | yeah |
| 18:24.51 | Amarande | Other than the fact that installing a new driver via CUPS' GNOME GUI under etch is broken |
| 18:24.57 | Amarande | but the HTTP interface works fine for that |
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| 18:25.00 | chops | dserban: Way to pick the two hairiest technologies in the whole of the Debian world :-). And you wonder why no one wants to document them. |
| 18:25.12 | dserban | =D |
| 18:25.14 | chops | *PerfDave rather for that last message |
| 18:25.30 | chops | CUPS has never worked properly for me |
| 18:25.37 | Amarande | chops, what kind of printer do you use? |
| 18:26.00 | PerfDave | Amarande: That's nice for you. I spend $200 on a printer because of its "perfect" CUPS support, and haven't managed to get a self-test page out of it yet. |
| 18:26.01 | Amarande | maybe part of the reason I have an easy time is that I have a standard PostScript color laser that connects via ethernet and uses an appsocket connection |
| 18:26.07 | Amarande | PerfDave, what printer is that? |
| 18:26.15 | yos87 | what is the debian active automatic signature? |
| 18:26.15 | PerfDave | Amarande: Samsung ML-2550 |
| 18:26.20 | Amarande | Inkjet, or laser? |
| 18:26.22 | davis | can someone give me a msg of what their inactive iptables ruleset looks like please? |
| 18:26.29 | chops | PerfDave: Filed a bug report? |
| 18:26.34 | streuner | Doesn't samsung have there own drivers? |
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| 18:26.43 | PerfDave | chops: For what? |
| 18:26.46 | PerfDave | Amarande: Laser |
| 18:26.51 | wols | davis: paste iptables -L |
| 18:26.52 | dserban | heh |
| 18:26.57 | Amarande | PerfDave: PostScript? |
| 18:27.02 | chops | PerfDave: For your non-working printer |
| 18:27.02 | dserban | Well... |
| 18:27.03 | PerfDave | Amarande: PCL-6 |
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| 18:27.04 | Amarande | And does it use a parallel, or an ethernet connection? |
| 18:27.06 | dserban | that sucks... |
| 18:27.11 | dserban | google isn't helping me |
| 18:27.17 | wols | PerfDave: they make PCL, GDI and PS printers |
| 18:27.19 | PerfDave | chops: I got no replies on the CUPS support forums. |
| 18:27.19 | davis | wols: bro, it would take 80 lines. |
| 18:27.27 | chops | PerfDave: :-( |
| 18:27.27 | wols | all of thsoe lagnauges are not owned by them, but HP, MS and Adobe |
| 18:27.29 | PerfDave | Amarande: It's USB |
| 18:27.34 | Amarande | :| |
| 18:27.36 | chops | PerfDave: I have also had a wide variety of problems with CUPS |
| 18:27.38 | Amarande | no wonder. |
| 18:27.41 | wols | davis: then it's NOT empty and you have a firewall |
| 18:27.44 | davis | right. |
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| 18:27.47 | Amarande | you have a double whammy there, you need udev AND cups to work right for you :| |
| 18:27.59 | wols | !tell davis about paster |
| 18:28.01 | CoRe_ | hi people |
| 18:28.03 | Jax0r | hi |
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| 18:28.04 | davis | when I try to do /etc/init.d/iptables stop, it says it is aborting. |
| 18:28.05 | Jax0r | is there a guide on installing apache, php5 and mysql? i'm from gentoo background and need to install this on debian via apt-get |
| 18:28.15 | davis | somehow my inactive ruleset failed. |
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| 18:28.18 | PerfDave | Jax0r: Uhm, you install it on Debian with apt-get :) |
| 18:28.24 | stew | davis: what version of debian are you running? |
| 18:28.24 | PerfDave | Amarande: The udev side of things is fine - I can cat a text file directly to /dev/usb/lp0 and it'll print. |
| 18:28.32 | davis | unstable |
| 18:28.33 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:28.38 | Amarande | hmm, I'm not sure about CUPS' problem them |
| 18:28.41 | Amarande | *then |
| 18:28.43 | Jax0r | yeah but PerfDave, where do i find which php5-* packages and which apache-* packages? |
| 18:28.44 | stew | davis: becuase debian doesn't ship a /etc/init.d/iptables |
| 18:28.59 | davis | maybe its rc.iptables. |
| 18:29.01 | Amarande | like I said, my printer is probably the sort that is ideal |
| 18:29.04 | davis | my apologies |
| 18:29.04 | stew | Jax0r: libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 18:29.06 | Amarande | ethernet based PostScript printer |
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| 18:29.15 | Amarande | PerfDave, I can tell you my super super color laser printer only cost $200, too |
| 18:29.25 | Amarande | air force surplus + ebay = win :) |
| 18:29.27 | davis | after I flush them, I can do /etc/init.d/rc.iptables save inactive |
| 18:29.27 | chops | Amarande: Yeah, welcome to Unix. If it's postscript it works perfectly. If it's not then prepare for hell. |
| 18:29.28 | dZen|n| | hello again :D |
| 18:29.34 | davis | and i will be good to go again? |
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| 18:29.38 | PerfDave | Jax0r: Use your package manager to search? |
| 18:29.40 | wols | davis: what debian vresion is it? |
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| 18:29.49 | dZen|n| | when I try to dl header files it tells me e: broken packages |
| 18:29.49 | Amarande | only thing is I don't have a non-broken output tray so it just dumps documents on the floor |
| 18:29.56 | davis | wols: unstable |
| 18:29.57 | streuner | PerfDave: mine costs 29 euro and works perfectly :-P |
| 18:29.58 | dZen|n| | what can I do ? |
| 18:30.10 | ravn | anyone can tell me: my network is loaded even thou lsof -i says I have no active connections. what is this? |
| 18:30.18 | chops | ravn: Try jnettop |
| 18:30.30 | xingu | chops: postscript can be a loser too if the printer doesn't have enough memory to rasterise a full page. |
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| 18:30.35 | wols | ravn: define "network is loaded" |
| 18:30.58 | PerfDave | Bah, http://bugs.debian.org is down. |
| 18:30.59 | ravn | wols: is used to 100 % (which is DSL/128kbit) |
| 18:31.21 | stew | PerfDave: worksforme |
| 18:31.34 | chops | PerfDave: Works for me too |
| 18:31.36 | ma3x | wols, so if I had HP laptop, the mobo would be HP?? |
| 18:31.41 | wols | ravn: netstat -a |less |
| 18:31.46 | PerfDave | Ah well, doesn't work for me. |
| 18:31.51 | ma3x | that's ridicilous |
| 18:31.56 | wols | ma3x: more like some ODM from taiwan |
| 18:32.03 | ma3x | haha |
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| 18:32.04 | stew | PerfDave: you can try bugs.donarmstrong.com |
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| 18:32.12 | wols | but it won't have a name per se and you won't get updates from anyone but FSC |
| 18:32.14 | ma3x | taiwan and china great manufacters |
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| 18:32.24 | Amarande | speaking of which, time to buy some cyan toner before this ebay deal goes away |
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| 18:33.12 | Jax0r | PerfDave so: apt-get install mysql-server-5 php5 apache2 php5 libapache2-mod-php5 php5-mysql ? |
| 18:33.40 | PerfDave | Jax: No idea, I don't use MySQL or PHP. |
| 18:33.49 | n3kl | Anyone currently enjoying sfs? |
| 18:33.54 | Jax | and how would i set the --with-mysqli configure option for php ?! |
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| 18:34.09 | Amarande | 16.50 for a toner cartridge that is normally $339. |
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| 18:34.12 | PerfDave | Jax: You don't set configure options, this isn't Gentoo. |
| 18:34.13 | VAD87 | re |
| 18:34.14 | DrthHmstr | sup? |
| 18:34.16 | modern | Hello |
| 18:34.16 | Amarande | Light! :) |
| 18:34.20 | p0seidon | Hi |
| 18:34.23 | ravn | wols: wow, netstat -a gave ALOT. whats all that? How can I see anything in all that? |
| 18:34.26 | Jax | so i can't have php with mysqli extension? |
| 18:34.28 | kfir | i need i2c-sis645 module for lm-sensors to work properly but i don't have it for some reason. i have the debian kernel 2.6.18. how do i get the module? |
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| 18:34.43 | streuner | kfir: you don't |
| 18:34.54 | streuner | kfir: some modules doesn't exist... |
| 18:35.05 | PerfDave | Jax: The PHP packages probably already have that option. |
| 18:35.13 | streuner | kfir: look in the config file of lm-sensors, its supported or not |
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| 18:35.54 | kfir | streuner: lm-sensors wiki tells me to use this module for my chipset... |
| 18:36.01 | Jax | ah ok |
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| 18:36.14 | streuner | kfir: did 'sensors-detect' found it? |
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| 18:36.24 | CoRe_ | kfir, you cat try to searchsource codes of this module at official site |
| 18:36.41 | kfir | it misdetected it as another sis chip, streuner |
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| 18:37.05 | streuner | kfir: ok, put in into manual into /etc/modules then |
| 18:37.20 | streuner | s/manual/by hand/ |
| 18:38.33 | kfir | CoRe_: i won't know how to make it from the source. streuner: modprobe i2c-sis645 says i don't have it and i've looked in the right directories i just don't have it. |
| 18:38.35 | Amarande | Jax, if you want different configure options than the Debian package has |
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| 18:38.52 | Amarande | then you probably want to do an apt-get source, edit the appropriate build file, and build |
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| 18:39.49 | kfir | i'll ask in #linux-sensors :) thanks |
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| 18:40.08 | Amarande | PerfDave, anyway, there's a Phaser 740 going on ebay for about $300 right now. I have a 740 myself and it's the best printer I've ever had |
| 18:40.15 | Amarande | and it should work perfectly with CUPS. :) |
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| 18:40.46 | |Lumen| | gentoo |
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| 18:40.54 | PerfDave | Amarande: I don't do eBay, I'm just going to take this one back to the shop for a refund. |
| 18:40.57 | Amarande | only two problems I've ever had with it, one is that you have to use the HTTP interface to install the PPD file for it because the GNOME interface is broken on etch, and the other that it sometimes cuts off stuff when printing web pages. |
| 18:41.00 | Ronin | no thanks |Lumen| |
| 18:41.01 | VAD87 | hi Lumen |
| 18:41.10 | Amarande | and the latter is probably a bug in iceweasel, not CUPS. :) |
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| 18:41.50 | Amarande | gentoo, that's the one that takes a week to install, isn't it? :) |
| 18:42.18 | Ronin | Amarande: or longer |
| 18:42.23 | h3sp4wn | Amarande: Not true |
| 18:42.26 | PerfDave | http://security.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/05/01/1852208 # This has got to be a pisstake, right? |
| 18:42.27 | Amarande | well, probably shorter on this machine |
| 18:42.34 | Amarande | I'm sure a 4200+ X2 with 2GB would compile it pretty quick |
| 18:42.37 | VAD87 | ëþìà, ÿ ñåãîäíÿ ïàðó ñèãí ó gAPE ïîäïðàâèë â áàçå |
| 18:42.39 | PerfDave | Amarande: If by "install" you mean "work at the end of it", it'd be a lot more than a week ;) |
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| 18:44.16 | cr3 | what are the 2 middle columns returned by lsmod? |
| 18:44.23 | Amarande | PerfDave, this looks like a nice little printer for CUPS |
| 18:44.23 | wols | VAD87: are you german? |
| 18:44.24 | Amarande | http://www.office.xerox.com/printers/color-printers/phaser-6120/enus.html |
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| 18:44.51 | xeihin | guys I can't install Microsoft Office 2007 on windows XP can some one help me? |
| 18:45.05 | Zee1ot | o.O |
| 18:45.05 | wols | xeihin: this is the wrong channel |
| 18:45.13 | xeihin | for debian too |
| 18:45.13 | dZen|n| | !sources |
| 18:45.14 | dpkg | somebody said sources was /etc/apt/sources.list is the file which stores a list of repositories that apt-get/aptitude use for downloading packags. "man sources.list" for a description of its format. If you are using sarge/stable you can use apt-setup to alter this file, also ask me about <mirrors>, <apt-setup>, <apt-spy> |
| 18:45.21 | Amarande | it says perfect, and it's a network printer that does postscript so it shouldn't have problems :) |
| 18:45.31 | wols | xeihin: office 2007 is not part of debian or ever will be |
| 18:45.31 | PerfDave | xeihin: http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ |
| 18:45.32 | xeihin | You can't help me with your own apache2 package just because it don't have httpd.conf |
| 18:45.35 | wols | so it's the wrong channel |
| 18:45.51 | dZen|n| | !mirrors |
| 18:45.51 | dpkg | somebody said debian mirrors was use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 18:45.52 | VAD87 | wols: No, I russian |
| 18:45.53 | xeihin | apache its part of debian and you are not helps |
| 18:46.10 | wols | xeihin: we are volunteers. if you want guaranteed help: pay a consultant |
| 18:46.15 | Amarande | basically, I'd stick with the Xerox Phaser line if I wanted to buy a new printer that's Linux friendly. |
| 18:46.23 | wols | or pay an admin who understands how to isntall stuff |
| 18:46.26 | Amarande | These things last, too. |
| 18:46.27 | xeihin | give me your bank acount to send the money |
| 18:46.28 | valdyn | !tell xeihin -about smart questions |
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| 18:46.40 | Amarande | I have a feeling that inkjet is going to die in a year or two :) |
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| 18:46.54 | Szeraax | hiow do i kill the X server? |
| 18:47.01 | ustunozgur | xeihin: click next. |
| 18:47.08 | Szeraax | (i need better than btrl alt bkspace) |
| 18:47.11 | Amarande | Szeraax, assuming a default install |
| 18:47.17 | Amarande | try /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 18:47.21 | valdyn | Szeraax: better? |
| 18:47.23 | Szeraax | i just want somecommand |
| 18:47.29 | xeihin | wols we don't need volunteers that don't know apache, please go and read the apache documentation then come back |
| 18:47.29 | PerfDave | Szeraax: "Better than"? killall xorg? |
| 18:47.34 | wols | Szeraax: go to a console. become root. /etc/init.d/?dm stop (to stop your display manager). then: killall X |
| 18:47.39 | wols | now X is stopped |
| 18:47.48 | PerfDave | killall X then |
| 18:47.48 | Szeraax | ty |
| 18:48.13 | bullium | !tell bullium -about smart questions |
| 18:48.25 | wols | !tell bullium about msg the bot |
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| 18:48.56 | xeihin | !tell wols about linux |
| 18:49.09 | bullium | wols: thanks I'm still a n00b @ IRC |
| 18:49.15 | Ronin | xeihin: its probibly best not to tick off wols and others |
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| 18:49.37 | Szeraax | i stopped kdm but it says 0 proc killed... |
| 18:49.39 | nooneelse | someone here got experiences with gfs ? |
| 18:49.51 | rgsteele | xeihin: What are you rambling about? Nothing you've said since you came into the channel has made one bit of sense. |
| 18:50.04 | xeihin | xD |
| 18:50.16 | tarzeau | abrotman: be my advocate! |
| 18:50.26 | xeihin | I don't talk english xD |
| 18:50.40 | stew | xeihin: debian ships an empty httpd.conf with apache2 |
| 18:50.49 | abrotman | tarzeau: your AM ? |
| 18:50.53 | tarzeau | abrotman: yes |
| 18:50.54 | Szeraax | killall does nothing |
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| 18:50.56 | wols | rgsteele: he is just pissed that no one helps him with his important problems. but with an attitude like his... |
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| 18:50.59 | xeihin | then why it don't start? |
| 18:51.03 | nooneelse | xeihin waht language you speak ? |
| 18:51.10 | rgsteele | xeihin: What language do you speak? There are channels that might cater to you. |
| 18:51.10 | xeihin | I did /etc/init.d/apache2 start |
| 18:51.17 | xeihin | maya |
| 18:51.23 | garo | Which player can play wav,ogg and mp3 files but doesn't require X ? |
| 18:51.24 | abrotman | tarzeau: i think i'm missing a few steps :) |
| 18:51.25 | rgsteele | xeihin: tail /var/log/apache2/error.log |
| 18:51.26 | nooneelse | maya, wtf |
| 18:51.27 | stew | xeihin: i don't know. do you get an error? does anything show up in /var/log/apache2/error.log? |
| 18:51.28 | xeihin | is there a #debian-maya ? |
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| 18:51.34 | valdyn | Szeraax: you might not have kdm running, there's gdm and kdm and xdm |
| 18:51.35 | abrotman | for the 3d app ? |
| 18:51.45 | xeihin | yeeees stew I paste the error 3 or 4 times here ¬¬ |
| 18:51.55 | tarzeau | abrotman: "You have not checked the box saying you have a Debian Developer advocate. If an adovcate does not verify your application within two weeks, it will be deleted." |
| 18:51.56 | abrotman | damog: do you speak mayan ? |
| 18:51.59 | eeyore- | just got back from fire evac :-) what a way to start the work week |
| 18:52.01 | nooneelse | xeihin how to talk in maya ? it is from spanish, english, japanese derivated ? |
| 18:52.05 | krifur | garo: > maybe mpd ? |
| 18:52.08 | valdyn | Szeraax: killing X should be reversed to starting it, and there's varioous ways to start X |
| 18:52.10 | abrotman | tarzeau: oh sure .. i'm sure they'll let me be your AM |
| 18:52.18 | rgsteele | xeihin: http://pastebin.ca |
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| 18:52.22 | abrotman | eeyore-: only if it was really a fire :) |
| 18:52.25 | stew | xeihin: where is it pasted? |
| 18:52.28 | VAD87 | ëþìà, òû êîãäà íà÷íåø ôóíêöèè äåòåêòà âåðñèé äåëüôè íà âá ïåðåãîíÿòü? Èç ñîðöîâ ÄåÄå |
| 18:52.28 | eeyore- | abrotman: it was |
| 18:52.29 | tarzeau | abrotman: we'd kick ass! |
| 18:52.36 | Ronin | !ru |
| 18:52.36 | dpkg | ru is, like, Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
| 18:52.36 | wols | !ru |
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| 18:52.39 | Ronin | jinx |
| 18:52.41 | |Lumen| | ÿ õç |
| 18:52.41 | xeihin | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_civilization |
| 18:52.42 | wols | VAD87: no one speaks russian here |
| 18:52.51 | eeyore- | abrotman: on the fourth floor. everyone except fourth-floor people can get back in |
| 18:52.55 | yos872 | I have problem, I move arrount 2000 file to .trash by mistake from many folders, how can I reverse them back to their forlders? |
| 18:53.00 | stew | xeihin: if the error is a missing httpd.conf, just run "touch /etc/apache2/httpd.conf" |
| 18:53.01 | garo | krifur: thanks ! |
| 18:53.03 | abrotman | eeyore-: damn microwave popcorn |
| 18:53.06 | |Lumen| | wols: äàíóíàõ |
| 18:53.14 | abrotman | not again ... |
| 18:53.14 | Szeraax | so how can i kill it? if killing is opposite, then "stopx" would work. |
| 18:53.14 | |Lumen| | òû íàãëî ïèçäèøü |
| 18:53.14 | Szeraax | nope |
| 18:53.14 | krifur | garo: np :) |
| 18:53.18 | stew | |Lumen|: english only in here please |
| 18:53.22 | wols | Lumen: even if you speak russian. don't do it here |
| 18:53.26 | eeyore- | abrotman: yeah, heheh :-) saw fireman shaking head on way out so maybe it really was popcorn in microwave |
| 18:53.27 | wols | go to debian-russian |
| 18:53.33 | abrotman | !ru |
| 18:53.34 | dpkg | ru is, like, Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
| 18:53.37 | eeyore- | abrotman: i grabbed last night's backup tape and do the drill |
| 18:53.40 | xeihin | I did it sew ¬¬ |
| 18:53.41 | sepski | yos872, restore from backups |
| 18:53.45 | xeihin | stew* |
| 18:53.46 | abrotman | eeyore-: that's what i do! :) |
| 18:53.47 | stew | xeihin: what is the error? |
| 18:53.53 | VAD87 | wols: õâàòèò íàåçæàòü íà ðóññêèõ ;) |
| 18:53.54 | xeihin | nothing |
| 18:53.55 | |Lumen| | I dont speak English well |
| 18:54.00 | stew | VAD87: english only in here |
| 18:54.02 | rahul | VAD87: jaorjea0r98venv0eijvaeiurjjaehg |
| 18:54.04 | VAD87 | I too |
| 18:54.05 | xeihin | /etc/init.d/apache start and then it back to command line |
| 18:54.08 | Ronin | |Lumen|: then do as dpkg has said |
| 18:54.15 | abrotman | stew: they're both from #gentoo |
| 18:54.18 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm gonna eat that now: http://www.portakalagaci.com/oburcuk/images/kofte_patates.jpg |
| 18:54.20 | Szeraax | i even tried doing killall X while kdm was running and it still said none killed |
| 18:54.21 | |Lumen| | what? |
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| 18:54.31 | Szeraax | so any help as to how to kill it? |
| 18:54.31 | yos872 | sepski: I Don't have extra backup, they are on the trush, but without their folders I cannot put them again each in his folder !! |
| 18:54.35 | abrotman | tarzeau: looks good |
| 18:54.40 | wols | abrotman: could very well be our two russians from a few hours ago |
| 18:54.43 | VAD87 | ëþìà, âîò îíè ïðèêîëüíûå ;)) |
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| 18:54.50 | sepski | xeihin, and the problem is ? |
| 18:54.51 | abrotman | wols: yeah |
| 18:55.01 | Szeraax | and i dont want to just go to init 1 to do it, as that doesnt have all i need running |
| 18:55.09 | sepski | yos872, correct |
| 18:55.09 | streuner | tarzeau: what kind of meal is that? |
| 18:55.11 | |Lumen| | äà óæ æãóò ïî ïîëíîé |
| 18:55.18 | VAD87 | Lumen, îíè íàñ íå ïîíèìàþò, ìû èõ ;)) |
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| 18:55.29 | abrotman | !beer stew |
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| 18:55.40 | stew | xeihin: you should be using /etc/init.d/apache2 not /etc/init.d/apache |
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| 18:55.50 | itchi | abrotman: Pisang Ambon is at least 10 times better :-) |
| 18:55.51 | Dave_is_sexy | how do i get sudo powers? |
| 18:55.52 | tarzeau | streuner: koefte (hackfleisch+altbrot kneten+wuerzen und in ufos formen dann braten) |
| 18:56.00 | chops | Dave_is_sexy: visudo |
| 18:56.01 | sepski | Dave_is_sexy, visudo as root |
| 18:56.03 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: man sudoers |
| 18:56.06 | mateusz | Hi how to get useful backtrace from Xorg ? |
| 18:56.12 | yos872 | sepski: what do you mean correct? I have to make all again by hand? |
| 18:56.42 | chops | mateusz: Install debug version if there is one, else build by hand with debugging |
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| 18:56.45 | rahul | !moo |
| 18:56.45 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 18:56.49 | itchi | abrotman: Try it and tell me abut it :-) |
| 18:56.55 | chops | mateusz: ssh in, run in debugger, see backtrace |
| 18:56.56 | sepski | yos872, if you dont have backups and you dont have any kind of list of what mail belongs in what folder then i dont know how you could revers that process automaticaly |
| 18:57.12 | nyty | hello users :-) |
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| 18:57.16 | nyty | i have idea about new project |
| 18:57.24 | mateusz | chops: I did as it states on wiki.debian rebuild with nostrip option... |
| 18:57.26 | nyty | do anyoe know project MSDN aa ? microsoft academic alliance ? |
| 18:57.29 | xeihin | no helping again? |
| 18:57.34 | mateusz | chops: however I am getting blank screen ;/ |
| 18:57.37 | nyty | we can create same project |
| 18:57.38 | chops | mateusz: Excellent, gdb should work as normal |
| 18:57.41 | nyty | called as Linux AA |
| 18:57.44 | nyty | linux academic alliance :-) |
| 18:57.44 | Dave_is_sexy | stew: yes have you seen man sudo? it may as well be deleted and save me 4kb |
| 18:57.47 | chops | mateusz: When you run X, or when X crashes? |
| 18:57.49 | abrotman | itchi: i don't think i've seen that on any menu here |
| 18:58.06 | mateusz | chops: when I run X I get blank screen.. and I cant switch to console |
| 18:58.07 | wols | nyty: do you want to sell linux site licenses for lots of bucks to colleges? |
| 18:58.09 | xeihin | Do I need to explain again in 2 hours? just because any one know apache here? |
| 18:58.16 | mateusz | chops: lcd is powered off.. |
| 18:58.16 | itchi | abrotman: Nah, it's French stuff, but believe it, that's good. It's not beer at all, some banana cocktail :-) |
| 18:58.18 | yos872 | sepski: backup matter is my side, not the OS side !! |
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| 18:58.27 | chops | mateusz: You should run X from an ssh session. Running it in gdb from a local console is asking for trouble. |
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| 18:58.44 | stew | xeihin: if you have a question, just ask it |
| 18:58.45 | xeihin | very few people here use apache? |
| 18:58.49 | nyty | wols: yes |
| 18:58.51 | nyty | this is not sell |
| 18:58.52 | nyty | its free :-) |
| 18:58.55 | xeihin | let me ask for 4 time |
| 18:58.55 | itchi | abrotman: A bit of orange juice, share a bit, and be happy :-) |
| 18:58.56 | Amarande | hey, is it safe to hot-swap PS/2 keyboards? |
| 18:58.58 | stew | xeihin: lots of people do. but you have to actually tell us that the error is |
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| 18:58.59 | sepski | xeihin, read what stew told you . |
| 18:59.00 | chops | Dave_is_sexy: man sudo looks fine to me |
| 18:59.00 | abrotman | itchi: ah ok |
| 18:59.09 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: eh? |
| 18:59.11 | abrotman | xeihin: you don't speak spanish ? |
| 18:59.12 | nyty | but, suse and other companies can give free licences |
| 18:59.15 | itchi | abrotman: s/share/shake/ |
| 18:59.18 | xand | Amarande: it's probably safe, but doesn't always work |
| 18:59.19 | xeihin | I speak maya and al ittle english |
| 18:59.28 | abrotman | i didn't think anyone still spoke mayan |
| 18:59.30 | xand | maya? what's that |
| 18:59.38 | wols | nyty: "free" licenses for linux is kinda stupid... |
| 18:59.40 | mateusz | chops: I am not sure if it crashes.. |
| 18:59.42 | chops | Amarande: I have heard that it is not, but I frequently do |
| 18:59.44 | Amarande | xand: expensive non-free 3D modeling program |
| 18:59.46 | PerfDave | Maya is 3D rendering software. |
| 18:59.46 | xeihin | in mexico yes |
| 18:59.47 | abrotman | xand: maya, inca, aztec, olmec .. cultures i thought were long gone |
| 18:59.54 | jelly-home | xand: it's a smartass answer |
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| 19:00.03 | nyty | wols: this is joke to microsoft |
| 19:00.06 | chops | Amarande: PS/2 keyboards and VGA monitors are supposed to be the two things you must never hotswap on pain of hardware damage. So I've been told. |
| 19:00.07 | nyty | and ad for schools |
| 19:00.11 | xeihin | maya, zapoteca, nahuatl, huichol and another mexican languages |
| 19:00.13 | nyty | "linux still exists" |
| 19:00.16 | xand | xeihin: dont you speak spanish? |
| 19:00.19 | xeihin | no |
| 19:00.20 | wols | chops: wrong |
| 19:00.22 | xeihin | and you? |
| 19:00.27 | nyty | there can be free software such as codeweavers or cedega |
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| 19:00.33 | xand | xeihin: don't believe you |
| 19:00.37 | xeihin | then why asking? |
| 19:00.38 | wols | ps2 swapping can if you're really unlucky cause burnt out chips |
| 19:00.40 | chops | wols: It may be wrong that it can cause damage. It's certainly true that I've been told that :-) |
| 19:00.40 | Dave_is_sexy | chops: here is how a help file should look: "to give a user sudo privilages type 'visudo -a -p -s dave'" ...or whatever the correct string is |
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| 19:00.46 | EvilSporkMan | is there a shared libperl with debug symbols somewhere in debian? |
| 19:00.49 | xeihin | I don't belive you talk maya ¬¬ |
| 19:00.50 | Amarande | wols, is that a motherboard-specific problem? |
| 19:00.50 | nyty | wols: i think it`s a good idea |
| 19:00.50 | xeihin | xD |
| 19:00.51 | chops | Dave_is_sexy: That's not a man page |
| 19:00.52 | wols | but vrey very unlikely. changing vga sub-d plugs doesn't do a thing |
| 19:00.55 | Amarande | I heard that only happens with some mobos |
| 19:00.58 | nyty | frree licence to gimp |
| 19:00.59 | nyty | ando ther :-) |
| 19:01.09 | xeihin | so you will not help me just because I don't speak spanish |
| 19:01.10 | xeihin | ? |
| 19:01.13 | chops | Dave_is_sexy: That's more like a howto. man pages have their own specific niche; they're not really intended as end-user documentation, sad to say |
| 19:01.17 | Amarande | of course, I probably will have to restart X, since I'd be changing from pc104 to pc101 |
| 19:01.20 | Dave_is_sexy | chops: then the man page should at least say what "-a" does |
| 19:01.23 | stew | xeihin: if you have a question, just ask it |
| 19:01.27 | xingu | wols: there's vga's out there where retrace will go apeshit if there's no sync |
| 19:01.28 | mateusz | chops: I bug reported it however they asked me to recompile with gdb symbols before forwarding to upstream |
| 19:01.28 | wols | xeihin: we don't help you cause you're apparently unable to describe our problem properly |
| 19:01.28 | sebastian | Hi ppl. My Debianinstallation has stoped at 18% |
| 19:01.29 | xeihin | for 6 time |
| 19:01.32 | chops | Dave_is_sexy: At least, not as "to do X you must Y" end-user documentation |
| 19:01.33 | sebastian | What should i do ? |
| 19:01.34 | xeihin | my apache don't start |
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| 19:01.40 | stew | xeihin: do you get an error? |
| 19:01.41 | xeihin | I did /etc/init.d/apache2 start |
| 19:01.44 | wols | xingu: from when? 1980? |
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| 19:01.45 | TuTuFF | what is the preferred way to get Debian to boot to X? inittab and id:5:initdefault: doesnt seem to work? |
| 19:01.46 | xeihin | yea |
| 19:01.46 | tarzeau | sebastian: 18% of what? |
| 19:01.48 | xeihin | no |
| 19:01.52 | stew | xeihin: tell us what the error is |
| 19:01.52 | Amarande | xingu: you mean there's VGA cards where if you start the PC without a monitor connected, they fry? |
| 19:01.55 | Dave_is_sexy | chops: well where is to do X you must do Y documentation? |
| 19:01.55 | PerfDave | nyty: You seem to be getting confused. Gimp is Free Software, as in http://www.fsf.org/ ; Acrobat Reader etc. is merely available without price. |
| 19:01.57 | xingu | wols: memory fails me on specifics, think it was an ibm part code circa 8154a vintage |
| 19:02.00 | wols | TuTuFF: install a displaymanager |
| 19:02.00 | xeihin | no error just back to the prompt |
| 19:02.04 | xingu | Amarande: crt's. |
| 19:02.04 | S4nD3r | Id like to create PDF file in my etch box (from browser) is it possible? |
| 19:02.06 | chops | mateusz: Yeah, so you've got debugging symbols in... run it from gdb from an ssh connection, get a backtrace, forward upstream. Bingo bango bongo. |
| 19:02.06 | sebastian | tarzeau: when getting all the programs |
| 19:02.07 | nyty | PerfDave: i`m not confused |
| 19:02.07 | sepski | xeihin, that means SUCCESS |
| 19:02.08 | stew | xeihin: did you check /var/log/apache2/error.log? |
| 19:02.09 | xeihin | but when I do nc -v -z localhost 80 it say that the port its closed |
| 19:02.10 | nyty | you dont know what is JOKE ? |
| 19:02.12 | nyty | ;-) |
| 19:02.17 | nyty | microsoft has free licences to students |
| 19:02.20 | nyty | we can have it too :-) |
| 19:02.21 | sebastian | I didnt install gnome. just base system.. |
| 19:02.22 | Sazpaimon | what is joke |
| 19:02.23 | PerfDave | TuTuFF: You shouldn't need to do anything to get Debian to boot to x other than install an X display manager. |
| 19:02.23 | nyty | for a joke |
| 19:02.24 | nyty | ;-) |
| 19:02.24 | Sazpaimon | baby dont hurt me |
| 19:02.26 | Sazpaimon | dont hurt me |
| 19:02.30 | sepski | xeihin, then what does the error.log say ? |
| 19:02.30 | Sazpaimon | no more |
| 19:02.31 | nyty | We can send it to school |
| 19:02.36 | nyty | and students will have an ad :-) |
| 19:02.40 | tarzeau | sebastian: did you select debian desktop? |
| 19:02.40 | nyty | they can download it |
| 19:02.46 | sebastian | tarzeau: nope.. |
| 19:02.50 | chops | Dave_is_sexy: http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/?q=sudo%20documentation |
| 19:02.50 | sebastian | I dont want gnome |
| 19:02.50 | sepski | xeihin, you can also do netstat -plont |
| 19:03.08 | TuTuFF | I installed x-server-core and kde .. I can start from command line but not from boot |
| 19:03.18 | sepski | TuTuFF, install kdm ? |
| 19:03.19 | wols | TuTuFF: apt-get install kdm |
| 19:03.19 | stew | xeihin: what does "grep START /etc/default/apache2" return? |
| 19:03.26 | TuTuFF | roger .. thanks |
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| 19:03.53 | PerfDave | TuTuFF: You shouldn't need to play with runlevels or inittab on Debian systems. |
| 19:04.15 | rocketmagnet | stew: what's in /etc/defaults ?? |
| 19:04.24 | EvilSporkMan | PerfDave: what, is there a better way to change ctrl-alt-del behavior? |
| 19:04.25 | wols | rocketmagnet: just look |
| 19:04.31 | sepski | rocketmagnet, configurations for init.d scripts |
| 19:04.32 | rocketmagnet | its for startup ? |
| 19:04.37 | stew | rocketmagnet: /etc/default (without an s) is where configuration files for init.d scripts lives |
| 19:04.37 | rocketmagnet | ah i see |
| 19:04.46 | rocketmagnet | nice nice =) |
| 19:04.52 | xand | PerfDave: what if you want a serial console? :P |
| 19:05.01 | rocketmagnet | i just remember the strange startup script from fedora |
| 19:05.03 | xeihin | http://rafb.net/p/1L0UoT78.html |
| 19:05.04 | sebastian | tarzeau: you have any idea what i should do? |
| 19:05.05 | Dave_is_sexy | chops: yes i know where that link goes. it was a rip-off of "googleityoumoron.com", which i'd advise you use instead. the poiint is, as you would know if you had ever needed to look, asking that on google meerly brings up page after page of people asking the same thing. none of whom get answered |
| 19:05.08 | PerfDave | EvilSporkMan: What? It's Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to kill the X server. |
| 19:05.17 | TuTuFF | PerfDave: after installing those packages (on other dists I didnt need to) for some reason (quite possibly a lack of kdm or my own stupidity) that wasnt the case with Debian |
| 19:05.28 | EvilSporkMan | PerfDave: Ctrl-Alt-Del reboots at the console by default...you can make it run any command you like |
| 19:05.29 | xeihin | # grep START /etc/default/apache2 |
| 19:05.30 | xeihin | NO_START=1 |
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| 19:05.34 | tarzeau | sebastian: could it be a hardware problem? |
| 19:05.39 | tarzeau | sebastian: checked the log in alt-f4? |
| 19:05.44 | sebastian | tarzeau: dont think so.. |
| 19:05.46 | wols | xeihin: what does "free" say? |
| 19:05.47 | tarzeau | sebastian: try using another mirror? |
| 19:05.49 | EvilSporkMan | PerfDave: some of us don't run X ;) |
| 19:05.54 | Amarande | hmm, let's see |
| 19:05.56 | tarzeau | sebastian: network install? cd? dvd? else? |
| 19:05.56 | sebastian | It locked up at the last pakage to download |
| 19:05.59 | Amarande | yup, hotswapped keyboard works. |
| 19:06.02 | Amarande | Light |
| 19:06.03 | tarzeau | sebastian: do you know which? |
| 19:06.07 | sebastian | tarzeau: net install |
| 19:06.11 | Amarande | if this is how loud the NON-CLICKY IBM Model M is ... |
| 19:06.17 | sebastian | tarzeau: nope.. Can i check it? |
| 19:06.17 | xeihin | Mem: 1035664 1014200 21464 0 115132 700212 |
| 19:06.18 | Amarande | I hate to think how loud the clicky one is! |
| 19:06.19 | PerfDave | EvilSporkMan: That's nice, but the person who's asking questions about /etc/inittab *is* running X. So stop talking crap that's unrelated. |
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| 19:06.25 | stew | xeihin: change that to "NO_START=0" |
| 19:06.26 | tarzeau | sebastian: alt-f4 maybe? |
| 19:06.31 | rocketmagnet | after 1 year of fedora and now a few days debian elch i'm REALY HAPPY about the debian distribution. the system is much clearer build. |
| 19:06.35 | sebastian | tarzeau: ok |
| 19:06.38 | sebastian | i'll try |
| 19:06.39 | sebastian | brbr |
| 19:06.42 | sepski | xeihin, do you have other webserver packages installed too ? apache(1) for example ? |
| 19:06.45 | chops | Dave_is_sexy: WTF are you talking about? The first link when searching for "sudo documentation" contains a link saying, "A.P. Lawrence has a nice article that covers the sudo basics entitled Using Sudo." which is just about what it sounds like. |
| 19:06.45 | xeihin | I don't wanna start it on booting |
| 19:06.51 | xeihin | ye |
| 19:06.52 | xeihin | yes |
| 19:06.53 | PerfDave | TuTuFF: Like I say, you almost certainly need to install a display manager if you want to boot into X by default. |
| 19:06.55 | S4nD3r | Id like to create PDF file in my etch box (from browser) is it possible? |
| 19:06.59 | TuTuFF | kdm sorted it btw .. so yes my own stupidity was to blame :) |
| 19:07.03 | xeihin | I have apache2 in /usr/local/apache2 but its stoped |
| 19:07.08 | xeihin | I have nginx but its stoped |
| 19:07.13 | xand | PerfDave: he was countering your comment that you shouldn't need to "play with inittab" on debian |
| 19:07.21 | sebastian | tarzeau: it says "whois" the pakage |
| 19:07.24 | TuTuFF | I had erroneously presumed a display manager would be part of the kde meta |
| 19:07.27 | PerfDave | xand: And it was still totally irrelevant to the point at hand. |
| 19:07.31 | sepski | xeihin, so remove it from the rcx dirs. |
| 19:07.38 | tarzeau | sebastian: i can install whois without problems. etch right? |
| 19:07.38 | sepski | using update-rc.d |
| 19:07.39 | chops | Dave_is_sexy: I did try that search before sending you the link -- after all, it's rude to send that link to someone. It's only appropriate when it becomes obvious that the person asking for help hasn't tried searching for it on their own. |
| 19:07.44 | tarzeau | sebastian: which mirror? try using a different |
| 19:07.54 | EvilSporkMan | PerfDave: you expect people to follow every thread of conversation? if you make a false statement in isolation, you can expect to get called on it |
| 19:08.01 | stew | xeihin: change it to NO_START=0 ; then use 'update-rc.d -f apache2 remove' if you don't want it starting at boot automatically |
| 19:08.13 | Dave_is_sexy | chops: don't you tell me what i have and have not looked for you prick |
| 19:08.19 | PerfDave | EvilSporkMan: I expect people to know what the context is before they start talking irrelevant shit, sure. |
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| 19:08.36 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: i've warned you about resorting to namecalling in the past |
| 19:08.41 | sebastian | tarzeau: it wasn't "shios" that was pakage 72. Andthe pakage that has locked up is 81 |
| 19:08.42 | xeihin | done |
| 19:08.51 | sebastian | But i'll reboot and reinstall then |
| 19:08.54 | xeihin | blogs:~# apache2ctl start |
| 19:08.54 | xeihin | apache2: Syntax error on line 189 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Could not open configuration file /etc/apache2/httpd.conf: No such file or directory |
| 19:09.12 | sebastian | tarzeau: is it possible to restart the installation without reboot? |
| 19:09.15 | sepski | xeihin, did you delete that file ? |
| 19:09.16 | tarzeau | sebastian: i don't know, but you can watch me play nethack w/ telnet 80.219.79.221 27015 |
| 19:09.19 | xeihin | no |
| 19:09.24 | xeihin | I did apt-get install apache2 |
| 19:09.35 | sebastian | tarzeau: ^^ |
| 19:09.39 | sebastian | All reboot |
| 19:09.40 | sebastian | BRB |
| 19:09.47 | stew | xeihin: "touch /etc/apache2/httpd.conf" |
| 19:09.47 | tarzeau | sebastian: i wouldn't know how |
| 19:10.14 | itchi | stew: Just got the same trouble here :-) |
| 19:10.20 | stew | itchi: what trouble? |
| 19:10.32 | xeihin | done |
| 19:10.34 | itchi | stew: touch /etc/apache2/httpd.conf |
| 19:10.42 | xeihin | blogs:~# apache2ctl start |
| 19:10.42 | xeihin | blogs:~# |
| 19:10.42 | rocketmagnet | stew: do you know a channel about network topics like tracing, scanning, .. ? |
| 19:10.50 | itrebal | ##linux or #networking |
| 19:10.53 | xeihin | but not working ... blogs:~# nc -v -z localhost 80 |
| 19:10.53 | xeihin | blogs.jornada.com.mx [127.0.0.1] 80 (www) : Connection refused |
| 19:10.55 | PerfDave | xeihin: How did you end up with apache2 in /usr/local/apache2 ? Have you tried to install apache2 from upstream source *and* the Debian package? In which case one has probably overwritten the other's config files which is why you're having this problem. |
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| 19:11.16 | xeihin | my /usr/local/apache2 its a apache builded from source |
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| 19:11.27 | xeihin | ./configure ... make ... make install |
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| 19:11.34 | stew | xeihin: what does "which apache2ctl" return? |
| 19:11.36 | Jax | how do i tell mplayer not to install X ? |
| 19:11.37 | rocketmagnet | stew: this is a strange address... i have actually one connection (netstat), an nmap -P0 shows more than 1000 !!! open ports ...205.188.5.252 |
| 19:11.43 | Amarande | tarzeau, *watch* you play nethack? :) |
| 19:11.44 | xeihin | what? |
| 19:11.45 | rocketmagnet | do you know what this address can be ? |
| 19:11.47 | PerfDave | xeihin: Then probably one of your apache2 installations has overwritten the configuration for the other. |
| 19:11.47 | valdyn | Jax: it installs X? |
| 19:11.53 | Jax | oh maybe not |
| 19:11.58 | PerfDave | valdyn: Probably it installs xlibs. |
| 19:11.59 | Jax | x11-common |
| 19:12.00 | Jax | sorry |
| 19:12.00 | tarzeau | Amarande: yeah, it's fun and you can learn a lot from me |
| 19:12.02 | Amarande | ok, this I have to see :) |
| 19:12.04 | valdyn | PerfDave: yep |
| 19:12.08 | xeihin | no perfdave because I used a prefix when building apache2 |
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| 19:12.21 | regulate_ | rocketmagnet: a honeypot |
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| 19:12.26 | PerfDave | xeihin: The prefix probably applies to the binaries, not the configs. |
| 19:12.37 | xeihin | applies the configs to |
| 19:12.41 | xeihin | too |
| 19:12.42 | stew | rocketmagnet: this is the ip address of some machine that you administer? |
| 19:12.43 | tarzeau | Amarande: haha, you're mean |
| 19:12.46 | xeihin | Im shure |
| 19:12.46 | rocketmagnet | ahh ... but why do i have one established connection ??? |
| 19:12.59 | rocketmagnet | stew: no... i just found this address in my netstat |
| 19:13.10 | regulate_ | rocketmagnet: what dst port? |
| 19:13.11 | PerfDave | xeihin: Do you have a /usr/local/etc/apache2 ? |
| 19:13.11 | homecable | name server ? |
| 19:13.16 | EvilSporkMan | anyone know how to get a libperl.so with debug symbols? |
| 19:13.26 | xeihin | I have a /usr/local/apache2/conf ... |
| 19:13.29 | rocketmagnet | stew: how can i find out which application is using this connection ? |
| 19:13.36 | EvilSporkMan | perl-debug only has libperld.a (and doesn't mention that fact) |
| 19:13.38 | stew | xeihin: what does "which apache2ctl" return? |
| 19:13.49 | rocketmagnet | the company may be America Online |
| 19:13.51 | homecable | sockstat -4 |
| 19:13.52 | stew | rocketmagnet: with the -p switch to netstat (when run as root) |
| 19:13.53 | jelly | rocketmagnet: netstat -p will add a pid/process column |
| 19:13.54 | rgsteele | Hm - does the module-assistant automagically figure out which source package dependencies there are and fetch them for you, effectively eliminating the need for something like: apt-get build-dep package-name-source ? |
| 19:13.58 | xeihin | any way I did apt-get remove --purge apache2 apache2.2-common apache2-utils apache2-mpm-worker and then I did apt-get install apache2 |
| 19:13.59 | CharminTheMoose | could someone tell me why my if statement in this script loads two xterms instead of one?http://www.pastebin.ca/475858 |
| 19:14.26 | stew | xeihin: apt-get remove --purge... wouldn't touch your apache install in /usr/local |
| 19:14.27 | xeihin | apache2ctl without parameters return the apache2ctl help stew |
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| 19:14.31 | regulate_ | rocketmagnet: try netstat -tnp |
| 19:14.32 | rocketmagnet | stew: is this a bad sign ? |
| 19:14.36 | xeihin | shure stew |
| 19:14.36 | jelly | CharminTheMoose: paste the url again please? |
| 19:14.42 | PerfDave | rgsteele: module-assistant will automatically install foo-source, linux-headers etc. packages IIRC. |
| 19:14.43 | xeihin | but |
| 19:14.52 | xeihin | Im not trying to start my second apache |
| 19:14.53 | xeihin | ¬¬ |
| 19:14.58 | rocketmagnet | oh... it's my gaim |
| 19:15.05 | stew | xeihin: what does "which apache2ctl" return? |
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| 19:15.08 | rocketmagnet | is that ok ? |
| 19:15.10 | CharminTheMoose | http://www.pastebin.ca/475858 |
| 19:15.11 | jelly | CharminTheMoose: can't click it, it's next to "?" of the previous sentence :-) |
| 19:15.17 | rgsteele | PerfDave: I hope so. I keep getting a confuzzlin' error when I try to manually build the dependencies. :) |
| 19:15.19 | stew | rocketmagnet: gaim making a connection to aol is expected |
| 19:15.32 | xeihin | blogs:~# wich apache2ctl |
| 19:15.32 | xeihin | -bash: wich: command not found |
| 19:15.40 | regulate_ | which* |
| 19:15.45 | stew | xeihin: for the 4th time, what does "which apache2ctl" return? |
| 19:15.50 | x_link | Hi |
| 19:15.56 | xeihin | :S whats a wich? |
| 19:16.08 | eeyore- | xeihin: w h i c h <- notice the spelling |
| 19:16.11 | xeihin | -bash: wich: command not found |
| 19:16.13 | eeyore- | oic |
| 19:16.15 | x_link | nvidia-settings --> OpenGL/GLX Information --> Miscellaneous, "Disable use of enhanced CPU instruction sets". What exactly is that and should I check that? |
| 19:16.18 | xeihin | :O xD |
| 19:16.25 | stew | ok i quit |
| 19:16.31 | xeihin | blogs:~# wich |
| 19:16.31 | xeihin | -bash: wich: command not found |
| 19:16.32 | PerfDave | Anyway, my aptitude seems to have gotten its knickers in a twist - I tried removing some kernel packages and upgrading a new one, and now I get this: http://paste.debian.net/27368 - removing /var/lib/dpkg/lock /var/lock/aptitude and /var/lib/apt/lists/lock doesn't fix anything. |
| 19:16.44 | eeyore- | stew: good man :-) |
| 19:16.45 | PerfDave | Any ideas? |
| 19:16.49 | jelly | CharminTheMoose: you didn't say it was tcl :-| |
| 19:16.50 | Ronin | xeihin: stop it, you know damn well your are to type which and not wich |
| 19:17.09 | CharminTheMoose | jelly, sorry |
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| 19:17.14 | tarzeau | Amarande: CRAP, seen this? :) |
| 19:17.26 | xeihin | any way wich don't exist |
| 19:17.30 | tarzeau | bigroom , with magic portal, and i fell from dlvl:7 to 11 |
| 19:17.38 | xeihin | grgrgrgrgr |
| 19:17.43 | xeihin | :O |
| 19:17.44 | stew | xeihin: i think i understand now why you are having trouble getting help |
| 19:17.44 | xeihin | xD |
| 19:17.47 | xeihin | ups xD |
| 19:17.58 | xeihin | virtual:~# which apache2ctl |
| 19:17.59 | xeihin | virtual:~# |
| 19:18.07 | eeyore- | who wants to do the honor? |
| 19:18.14 | regulate_ | pass |
| 19:18.35 | jelly | CharminTheMoose: unfortunately I'm clueless about tcl (and tk/tcl by extension) |
| 19:18.41 | Amarande | oops :) |
| 19:18.50 | rgsteele | PerfDave: Tried upgrading to a newer kernel? |
| 19:18.56 | CharminTheMoose | jelly: that could be a problem |
| 19:18.58 | rgsteele | PerfDave: That is, were you trying to? |
| 19:18.59 | Amarande | Looks like you hita polytrap too |
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| 19:19.05 | Amarande | jelly: nobody understands tcl |
| 19:19.06 | xeihin | it don't return nothing :S |
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| 19:19.10 | Amarande | I tried coding something once in tcl once |
| 19:19.12 | Amarande | I nearly went mad |
| 19:19.16 | jelly | Amarande: I wouldn't go that far |
| 19:19.21 | assasukasse | is there someone using phpsysinfo? |
| 19:19.28 | PerfDave | rgsteele: I was trying to upgrade my kernel to the latest security-patched one. |
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| 19:19.49 | Amarande | wtf? DOORS can be mimics in nethack now? |
| 19:19.52 | xeihin | help :( |
| 19:19.55 | Amarande | Next thing walls will be, too |
| 19:20.03 | eeyore- | Amarande: my tcl code bears striking resemblance to C code ... |
| 19:20.09 | xeihin | how do you say badwords in english? |
| 19:20.31 | rgsteele | PerfDave: Why'd ya try to remove the stuff ahead of time? Wouldn't dpkg have figured out enough to remove it for you? |
| 19:20.33 | Amarande | Bad words? You mean like "blood and ashes", "bloody flaming fish guts" and "mother's milk in a cup"? :) |
| 19:20.39 | rgsteele | PerfDave: If it needed removing? |
| 19:20.43 | ma3x | hey, I 've tested ram memory with memtest and it shows 2 errors in 20 passes |
| 19:20.45 | ma3x | is that so bad? |
| 19:20.49 | ma3x | I mean I run apps and they don't crash |
| 19:20.54 | jelly | Amarande: gosh, darn it all to heck |
| 19:20.56 | ma3x | so hwat's the big deal if there are few errors in the ram |
| 19:21.02 | eeyore- | ma3x: what kind of errors, chipset? |
| 19:21.04 | PerfDave | rgsteele: I was taking the opportunity to remove old packages I no longer needed. I'd installed them manually, so aptitude wouldn't have picked up on them. |
| 19:21.06 | rgsteele | ma3x: Might mean you just haven't hit that part of the RAM yet. |
| 19:21.10 | ma3x | kingston |
| 19:21.18 | eeyore- | ma3x: sometimes memtest will show false positives with the right chipset / bios version (usually blame bios) |
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| 19:21.32 | rgsteele | ma3x: In normal usage. It means that someday when you need to access that memory, you might wish you'd bought a new stick. |
| 19:21.49 | rgsteele | PerfDave: Ah, and you got one that it apparently objected to? |
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| 19:21.55 | Amarande | ma3x: you might experience odd data corruption that will eventually make things not work right |
| 19:22.00 | Amarande | and not be able to figure out where things went wrong :) |
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| 19:22.09 | jelly | is that badmem patch for linux still being used? |
| 19:22.17 | eeyore- | ma3x: it's usually common if it's a bios bug that forgets to mark certain low region in memory as 'reserved' when it should have, but that's pretty rare case. generally speaking memtest errors are real, unless they're not :-))))))) |
| 19:22.32 | ma3x | unless they're not? |
| 19:22.33 | ma3x | haha |
| 19:22.46 | eeyore- | ma3x: most times they're real :-) |
| 19:23.01 | ma3x | eeyore-, I've launched decoder I decode audio files |
| 19:23.02 | jelly | memtest86+ are 86 times more real |
| 19:23.08 | ma3x | I launched like hundreds of processes |
| 19:23.08 | sebastian | -.- |
| 19:23.20 | ma3x | so I'll let it waste ram to see if it shows errors |
| 19:23.25 | sebastian | THE DAMN INSTALLATION STOPPED AT 18% again!! |
| 19:23.26 | ma3x | but most probably it won't |
| 19:23.27 | sebastian | COCK |
| 19:23.32 | ma3x | sebastian, haha |
| 19:23.35 | tarzeau | sebastian: broken hd? |
| 19:23.36 | eeyore- | ma3x: well, you see ... parity errors don't necessarily show up in something you can observe easily |
| 19:23.37 | robin_sz | cock? |
| 19:23.41 | tarzeau | sebastian: does dmesg say something? |
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| 19:23.46 | kokice | how do i disable dhcp? |
| 19:23.50 | xeihin | can some one help me with apache no starting please? |
| 19:23.56 | eeyore- | ma3x: let's imagine if you were to lose a few hundred brain cells ... would you notice? |
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| 19:23.58 | tarzeau | sebastian: you know you can watch me play nethack from the debian installer using nc 80.219.79.221 27015 |
| 19:23.59 | robin_sz | kokice, dhcp server or ? |
| 19:23.59 | ma3x | eeyore-, so what's the point if the ram has 2 little errors? |
| 19:24.02 | ma3x | it still runs awesome |
| 19:24.05 | dmcr | http://drproduction.skyblog.com computer |
| 19:24.12 | ma3x | maybe 1 day in 1 year it will crash something |
| 19:24.14 | ma3x | thats not so bad |
| 19:24.21 | eeyore- | ma3x: for home use i wouldn't care :-) |
| 19:24.23 | kokice | robin_sz: i think client.. the thing is that somethign keeps chaning my resolvc.conf |
| 19:24.25 | dmcr | http://drproduction.skyblog.com |
| 19:24.27 | amphi | ma3x: the badram patch is handy |
| 19:24.30 | dmcr | http://drproduction.skyblog.com |
| 19:24.30 | ma3x | eeyore-, exactly |
| 19:24.37 | kokice | robin_sz: resolv.conf.. everytime i reboot my system.. and we think its dhcp client i thik |
| 19:24.40 | ma3x | amphi, what's hte package name? |
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| 19:24.49 | ma3x | amphi, you have bad ram too? |
| 19:25.07 | Sazpaimon | does mirror.cs.wisc.edu go 503 a lot? |
| 19:25.11 | amphi | ma3x: no |
| 19:25.20 | robin_sz | kokice, well, you *could* just disable it .. but that would be a bit silly if you are on a DHCP administered lan segment |
| 19:25.23 | eeyore- | ma3x: but, like i said earlier, if it *is* due to bios, then you should care (i.e., in that case the memory that isn't marked reserved is probably tied to hardware somehow and by its very nature will cause you problems, but that's just a guess --- you probably aren't having this problem) |
| 19:25.26 | amphi | ma3x: no package - google for 'badram patch' |
| 19:25.26 | Sazpaimon | because it is now |
| 19:25.35 | robin_sz | kokice, look in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:25.43 | robin_sz | kokice, read the manpage for that |
| 19:25.57 | jelly | kokice: your nick means popcorn in Croatian |
| 19:26.12 | robin_sz | kokice, you'll have to set the gateway, ip address, dns servers and netmask manually ... |
| 19:26.16 | xingu | wols: http://www.repairfaq.org/REPAIR/F_IBMmon.html#IBMMON_003 : Symptom: Horizontal line across screen, remainder dark - this is what happens. :) |
| 19:26.16 | jelly | </random> |
| 19:26.17 | ma3x | eeyore-, I left memtest running for 10 hours, it detected 2 errors |
| 19:26.26 | ma3x | should I leave it longer |
| 19:26.32 | valdyn | ma3x: is that memory overclocked? overheating? |
| 19:26.35 | eeyore- | nah |
| 19:26.43 | Sazpaimon | ugh |
| 19:26.46 | valdyn | ma3x: those issues would likely get much worse in a running system |
| 19:26.47 | robin_sz | kokice, the CORRECT solution is of course to make the DHCP server give out the correct nameservers for the dhcp clients to use in resolv.conf |
| 19:26.48 | ma3x | valdyn, i havent heard of memory overclocking |
| 19:26.51 | Sazpaimon | someone give me a mirror close to mirror.cs.wisc.edu |
| 19:26.52 | xeihin | some one who wanna help me? |
| 19:27.03 | Sazpaimon | I'm getting 503 errors with them now, |
| 19:27.05 | robin_sz | !ask |
| 19:27.05 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 19:27.21 | eeyore- | xingu: dude, you're not going to open a *monitor* are you? |
| 19:27.40 | valdyn | ma3x: memtest86 as nice as it is, does testing below real usage system temperature |
| 19:28.25 | PerfDave | rgsteele: No, I've not managed to upgrade the kernel, because aptitude won't run. |
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| 19:28.31 | jelly | xingu: sounds like your vertical's gone bye-bye |
| 19:28.33 | abrotman | eeyore-: i'll admit to doing live monitor repair :) |
| 19:28.46 | robin_sz | PerfDave, thats because it hates you |
| 19:28.47 | rgsteele | Hm. I'm building a DRBD module for an Etch box, but I'm getting a weird error: 'apt-get build-dep drbd0.7-module-source' returns: 'E: Unable to find a source package for drbd' |
| 19:28.50 | xingu | jelly: earlier discussion re: the hotplugability of vga 15 d-subs. |
| 19:28.51 | Amarande | tarzeau, you're lasting longer than I ever did. |
| 19:28.53 | Amarande | have you ever ascended? |
| 19:28.55 | jelly | xingu: WE CONTROL YOUR VERTICAL |
| 19:29.01 | ma3x | valdyn, so it could be temperature |
| 19:29.01 | eeyore- | abrotman: well, that's ok. you sound like you are not a darwin candidate |
| 19:29.09 | PerfDave | robin_sz: Well, that's really fucking helpful, thank you for your insight. |
| 19:29.15 | ma3x | haha eeyore- |
| 19:29.18 | tarzeau | Amarande: yes i have, www.linuks.mine.nu/nethack/ascend/ |
| 19:29.22 | abrotman | eeyore-: i dropped my water bottle in the schuylkill and then fished it out and drank out of it |
| 19:29.34 | xingu | jelly: combine least cost with high volume with "that's not what the spec demanded" and holy surprising failure modes batman. |
| 19:29.36 | Amarande | well, killing yourself on a monitor should become obsolete in the next few years |
| 19:29.36 | robin_sz | PerfDave, don;t mention it, its a knack I have |
| 19:29.38 | Amarande | as CRTs get phased out |
| 19:29.45 | eeyore- | Amarande: *wrong* |
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| 19:31.11 | eeyore- | Amarande: you haven't heard of inverters in LCDs? :-) |
| 19:31.11 | Amarande | eeyore, do LCDs have 25kV in them too? |
| 19:31.11 | PerfDave | robin_sz: I'd appreciate it if you stopped talking now. |
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| 19:31.12 | rgsteele | PerfDave: What's uname -a say? |
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| 19:31.12 | valdyn | ma3x: quite likely considering its a rare error, and if its also occuring at _different_ physical addresses |
| 19:31.12 | PerfDave | rgsteele: Something completely unrelated, I'm not even trying to upgrade the kernel I'm running: Linux dhansak 2.6.18-3-xen-686 #1 SMP Mon Dec 4 20:48:20 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 19:31.13 | robin_sz | PerfDave, sure? |
| 19:31.13 | ma3x | valdyn, I wrote down the offsets |
| 19:31.18 | ma3x | i'll try testing the same address .... |
| 19:31.35 | h3sp4wn | PerfDave: ah 2.6-18-4-xen-686 needs the pae hypervisor |
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| 19:31.54 | h3sp4wn | PerfDave: Where as 3-xen-686 didn't |
| 19:32.07 | damog | abrotman: A bit. |
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| 19:32.28 | rgsteele | abrotman: You must live somewhat near me - Pennsylvania? |
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| 19:32.49 | abrotman | rgsteele: aren't you near the middle ? |
| 19:33.01 | rgsteele | abrotman: I'm in Delaware, actually. |
| 19:33.07 | abrotman | rgsteele: i work in KoP |
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| 19:33.20 | sebastian | At last.. Now it works, i guess, I had to install the whole gnomeshit.. othoerwise it locked up when reaching 18% |
| 19:33.21 | sebastian | -.- |
| 19:33.27 | rgsteele | abrotman: Ah, that's only about an hour and a half away. |
| 19:33.33 | abrotman | roughly .. yeah |
| 19:34.01 | Amarande | rgsteele, you're from a non-existent state |
| 19:34.05 | Amarande | lol |
| 19:34.12 | Amarande | I still remember that old joke we had in UDIC |
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| 19:34.21 | Amarande | there was a long running joke there about how Delaware doesn't exist :) |
| 19:34.33 | moth | ] bind |
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| 19:34.55 | colkhis | how do i hook up with wireless? i have the password for the network and a net card working under my linux |
| 19:35.00 | DawnLight | i am getting this: |
| 19:35.01 | DawnLight | dalia:/home/dawnlight# sensors -s |
| 19:35.01 | DawnLight | adm1025-i2c-0-2d: Can't access procfs/sysfs file for writing; |
| 19:35.01 | DawnLight | Run as root? |
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| 19:35.06 | rgsteele | Amarande: Well, to be fair you were partially right - shopping tax is non-existant :) |
| 19:35.13 | PerfDave | h3sp4wn: That doesn't explain why I can't upgrade a completely different kernel with aptitude :) |
| 19:35.18 | eeyore- | colkhis: WEP or WPA? |
| 19:35.43 | abrotman | that's right .. DE .. best place to buy that new 373" TV!! |
| 19:35.51 | PerfDave | h3sp4wn: I'm not even using the Xen features of Xen currently, I'm just using it as a regular kernel |
| 19:35.57 | colkhis | eeyore: WAP |
| 19:36.04 | Amarande | tarzeau: YASD :) |
| 19:36.04 | eeyore- | WAP? |
| 19:36.10 | colkhis | eeyore: WEP, sorry |
| 19:36.22 | eeyore- | colkhis: be sure, don't just guess :-p |
| 19:36.25 | rgsteele | Hm - any thoughts? http://paste.debian.net/27393 |
| 19:36.26 | tarzeau | Amarande: yeah, happens often until you did sokoban/the quest |
| 19:36.33 | jelly | xingu: OTOH it could just be a bent pin or random old cable failure |
| 19:36.50 | rgsteele | abrotman: Yeah, here in Delaware we've all got 373" TV's, what with the no tax and all. |
| 19:36.52 | tarzeau | Amarande: i got blasted by a black dragon disintegration yesterday, i was so good |
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| 19:36.59 | xingu | jelly: you don't get *that* many bent pins and cable failures. :) |
| 19:37.05 | eeyore- | my kids like to push the pins in DB-15 connectors back inside |
| 19:37.09 | eeyore- | annoy me no end ... |
| 19:37.15 | PerfDave | rgsteele: Why are you trying to apt-get build-dep something, rather than just doing "module-assistant auto-install drbd0.7"? |
| 19:37.19 | xingu | jelly: we're talking a high teens, percentage wise, failure rate |
| 19:37.21 | jelly | xingu: oh I didn't actually check the URL :-) |
| 19:38.01 | rgsteele | PerfDave: Well, for starters I'm doing an m-a a-b, not m-a a-i, because my build environment isn't the database server I'm installing the drbd module on. |
| 19:38.13 | PerfDave | rgsteele: Fair enough |
| 19:38.15 | jelly | xingu: well, they also had the pretty non-hotpluggable keyboard/mouse ports too... |
| 19:38.49 | rgsteele | PerfDave: And secondly, I'm not 100% sure that m-a will bring in all the dependencies I need. Thirdly, my inquisitive nature is making me want to figure out what it's balking on. |
| 19:39.17 | PerfDave | rgsteele: Suck it and see what errors you get? |
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| 19:39.34 | rgsteele | PerfDave: Come again? |
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| 19:39.51 | colkhis | eeyore-: it is wep |
| 19:40.02 | PerfDave | rgsteele: If you're not sure whether it will bring in the dependencies, try it. |
| 19:40.19 | Amarande | jelly, which non-hotpluggable keyboard ports? |
| 19:40.40 | rgsteele | PerfDave: Yeah, I'm waiting for the kernel to finish building, so I have compiled source for the module to build against. |
| 19:40.41 | jelly | xingu: mhm... we're using SGS Thomson DSLAMs, I guess they've upped their QA since |
| 19:40.41 | eeyore- | colkhis: how are you configuring your nic, show me config file? |
| 19:40.41 | rgsteele | In the meantime, trying to figure out what build-dep didn't like |
| 19:40.41 | Amarande | hmm, maybe the A8N32-SLI Deluxe just isn't vulnerable to being fried that way |
| 19:40.43 | xingu | jelly: :) |
| 19:40.49 | PerfDave | rgsteele: Isn't the point of using module-assistant that you don't need to build your own kernels? |
| 19:41.04 | rgsteele | PerfDave: I'm running some custom kernels on these new servers. |
| 19:41.08 | xingu | jelly: sorry, just a bit distracted here, trying to get some brokensource to build on something that's not linux. |
| 19:41.11 | jelly | Amarande: PS/2 ones |
| 19:41.18 | rgsteele | And the box I'm building on has the source for those custom kernels. |
| 19:41.21 | jelly | xingu: oh don't mind me |
| 19:41.45 | rgsteele | PerfDave: Including the config, so I'm doing a make there to have configured kernel source identical to the kernel those machines are running. |
| 19:42.03 | eeyore- | Amarande: the PS/2 ports don't get grounded as you just start to plug them in, so it's possible, though not likely if you pay attention, to short the devices |
| 19:42.18 | PerfDave | rgsteele: Ah, I never bother with custom kernels. |
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| 19:42.34 | Amarande | eeyore-, ahh, you mean like the frying horror stories I've heard from some folks who accidentally touched two live USB cables end to end? |
| 19:42.40 | rgsteele | PerfDave: I've cut the size of the config down from the stock to 1/5 of what it was. |
| 19:42.59 | rgsteele | PerfDave: Boots nice and fast now - trying to optimize the new DB servers as much as possible. |
| 19:43.02 | Amarande | or the "I slipped plugging in my speaker cable and fried my soundcard" that some soundcards apparently had |
| 19:43.02 | PerfDave | rgsteele: Size of config isn't a good measure. |
| 19:43.13 | xand | Amarande: a likely story |
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| 19:43.24 | eeyore- | Amarande: where we are, you have engineers, dipl. eng. who try to plug ps/2 mouse into the s-video port and calling up IT and ask for a "US PS/2 adaptor" |
| 19:43.25 | rgsteele | PerfDave: I don't have tons of extraneous modules, and it boots alot more quickly. |
| 19:43.32 | colkhis | eeyore-: where should i paste? |
| 19:43.40 | PerfDave | rgsteele: You don't have tons of extraneous modules with a stock kernel either. |
| 19:43.41 | eeyore- | colkhis: /query eeyore- |
| 19:43.52 | Amarande | xand: I forget which line it was, but apparently there were some sound cards where you had to really be careful how you plugged in the speaker/mic cables |
| 19:44.01 | rgsteele | PerfDave: Alot more than I needed. The DB servers only need to do one thing and do it well. |
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| 19:44.23 | Amarande | eeyore: These are degreed engineers, I'm assuming? |
| 19:44.26 | xand | I get a nice big spark when I plug the DC power connector into my woofer |
| 19:44.30 | eeyore- | Amarande: yeah |
| 19:44.34 | Amarande | :| |
| 19:44.35 | regulate_ | PerfDave: quite the opposite |
| 19:44.38 | PerfDave | rgsteele: The point of having modules is that they don't get loaded. If the stock kernel is loading something it doesn't really need, then it's easier to blacklist that module than to use a custom kernel. |
| 19:44.40 | rgsteele | PerfDave: I see lots of merit in stripping out the fluff in a kernel. Also, if I upgrade the kernel in a dist-upgrade that is a stock kernel, there's a chance it could break DRBD. |
| 19:44.40 | eeyore- | Amarande: germans :-) |
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| 19:44.46 | ma3x | hey |
| 19:44.48 | Amarande | and somehow they're more qualified to do computer work than I am, just by having put up with four years of college. :| |
| 19:44.55 | ma3x | why can't I select which offsets to test in memtest86+ ? |
| 19:44.57 | Amarande | something is rotten with the world these days. |
| 19:45.04 | ma3x | I want to test exactly the same address |
| 19:45.07 | ma3x | why can't I dod that? |
| 19:45.10 | PerfDave | rgsteele: How will compiling your own kernel and using m-a to compile DRBD against it be any more safe? |
| 19:45.23 | eeyore- | Amarande: well since their power plugs are different than the US power plugs they figured their PS/2 must be different from our PS/2 as well :-) nevermind it's completely the wrong port altogether ;-) |
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| 19:45.34 | rgsteele | PerfDave: Uh, it won't get updated with a dist-upgrade... |
| 19:45.46 | PerfDave | rgsteele: So use pinning. |
| 19:45.55 | PerfDave | rgsteele: Then your stock kernel won't get upgraded. |
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| 19:46.28 | rgsteele | PerfDave: There are other merits to hand-rolling your kernel as well. It boots up a heck of a lot quicker, for starters. |
| 19:46.45 | PerfDave | rgsteele: I'm not sure why that should be the case. |
| 19:46.50 | sanelson | what's the current "recommended" dvd playback software? years ago mplayer was non-free, and I used totem... what's the current recommendation? |
| 19:46.57 | wintix | PerfDave: it is the case. |
| 19:47.04 | tarzeau | sanelson: i use mplayer |
| 19:47.12 | PerfDave | rgsteele: I'm yet to see any good argument for rolling your own kernel instead of using Debian's. |
| 19:47.45 | regulate_ | regulate@dab:~$ uname -a |
| 19:47.45 | regulate_ | Linux dab 2.6.21.1-cfs-v9 #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri May 4 22:05:30 PDT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 19:47.46 | eeyore- | sanelson: xine |
| 19:47.51 | regulate_ | can't get that kernel in a .deb |
| 19:47.52 | regulate_ | :) |
| 19:47.53 | tarzeau | sanelson: yeah but the one of debian sucks |
| 19:48.02 | regulate_ | not from debian anyway. |
| 19:48.03 | sanelson | right - so you still build from src? |
| 19:48.08 | tarzeau | sanelson: for sure |
| 19:48.15 | eeyore- | sanelson: imho xine has the best playback on various acceleration architectures (xvmc, xxmc) |
| 19:48.20 | tarzeau | sanelson: well i make my own debian package, since i need it at many places |
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| 19:48.26 | sanelson | right |
| 19:48.28 | eeyore- | sanelson: so it'll work on ati, nvidia and via unichrome |
| 19:48.33 | Amarande | hmm, does libdvdread supersede libdvdcss? |
| 19:48.42 | wintix | regulate_: 'make-kpkg kernel_image --initrd' will compile the kernel and build a nice kernel .deb. |
| 19:48.42 | Buck | is 3.1 sarge? |
| 19:48.47 | tarzeau | Buck: yes |
| 19:48.48 | stew | Buck: yes |
| 19:48.51 | Buck | thanks |
| 19:49.02 | eeyore- | sanelson: i use xine on my epia mii-10000 and vld-based acceleration *kicks ass* ... 3% CPU usage roughly |
| 19:49.03 | regulate_ | wintix: thats what is in my HISTFILE |
| 19:49.04 | sanelson | eeyore-: well, I never use video playback, but I've been asked to get laptop ready to play one in about 30 mins |
| 19:49.10 | Amarande | and whatever you do, don't use XMMS, especially XMMS 2 |
| 19:49.13 | Amarande | XMMS 2 is madness |
| 19:49.15 | deconvolution | hi, I tried to use gnome-power-manager to suspend my machine. However "echo m to /sys/power/state" works. Anyone give me a hint? |
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| 19:49.22 | Amarande | looks like you have to type like, 5 commands to actually play anything |
| 19:49.25 | regulate_ | hrm |
| 19:49.30 | sanelson | what's most likely to work in a thinkpad, out of the box? |
| 19:49.31 | sanelson | t41 |
| 19:49.32 | regulate_ | come to think of it |
| 19:49.33 | tarzeau | Amarande: i don't like it. tried opencubicplayer yet? |
| 19:49.36 | regulate_ | maybe i should package it ? |
| 19:49.38 | deconvolution | sorry, gnome-power-manager doesnt work. sorry |
| 19:49.43 | eeyore- | sanelson: fglrx + xine |
| 19:49.47 | Amarande | I'd try vlc first for dvds, I suppose |
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| 19:49.52 | jelly | sanelson: which graphic card? |
| 19:49.55 | Amarande | other than that I'd need to figure out where libdvdcss got off to |
| 19:49.58 | eeyore- | sanelson: <- t43 here |
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| 19:50.08 | regulate_ | x800 ? |
| 19:50.10 | eeyore- | jelly: ATI |
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| 19:50.11 | chops | Amarande: The multimedia repo I believe |
| 19:50.21 | jelly | sanelson: I use vlc for DVDs and mplayer (/msg dpkg debian-multimedia) for other stuff |
| 19:50.24 | eeyore- | jelly: probably the mobility radeon M300 or earlier, it's a T41 |
| 19:50.38 | Amarande | chops, you mean marillat? |
| 19:50.46 | chops | Amarande: nee debian-multimedia |
| 19:51.10 | sanelson | Radeon Mobility 7500 |
| 19:51.15 | jelly | eeyore-: but for video only, I think even free drivers have Xv |
| 19:51.28 | rgsteele | PerfDave: Well, there are lots of reasons. I mean, it'll boot more quickly, and run better if it's optimized for your CPU and hardware configuration. |
| 19:51.30 | eeyore- | have to find a pcie card for my myth box. the onboard 6150 now refuses to enable dvi at all, not even during boot. i hate asus. |
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| 19:51.37 | eeyore- | jelly: slow |
| 19:51.42 | eeyore- | jelly: (er) |
| 19:51.47 | eeyore- | jelly: but workable |
| 19:51.54 | rgsteele | PerfDave: So, you can actually get better performance out of something hand-rolled |
| 19:52.25 | chops | rgsteele: And not get security updates, and have to be recompiled for hardware changes, and always be getting udev interactions wrong, and not quite work with alsa... |
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| 19:52.36 | chops | rgsteele: Not that the Debian kernels are really immune to those last two :-) |
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| 19:52.52 | regulate_ | rgsteele: you said you're running DB servers, you certainly dont want to compile default pci / ide bridges, and use only the chipset specific modules |
| 19:52.55 | eeyore- | (bragging mode on) have mythtv working with xine, lirc and mceusb2 infrared receiver. haven't got the IR transmitter to work, yet, but when it does that'll be nice because the speakers can be controlled via IR(brag mode off) |
| 19:53.20 | valdyn | rgsteele: sure, just normally in insignificant amounts |
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| 19:53.53 | jelly | eeyore-: I bought an entry level thinkpad with intel card, and it just works :-) |
| 19:54.07 | rgsteele | valdyn: Maybe, but stock kernels have a large number of device drivers configured in so they can work sub-optimally with most machine configurations out of the box. |
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| 19:54.23 | haxality | wow, just followed the SELinux howto on the debian wiki, and it actually worked |
| 19:54.23 | valdyn | rgsteele: nonsense |
| 19:54.24 | jturek | hi all, how can I remove a package that is hung in dpkg --configure (that errors out) if i try apt-get remove %packagename% it still comes up with an error |
| 19:54.26 | rgsteele | valdyn: I'm not advocating that everyone go out and do it, I'm just saying I like to, and I have a couple of reasons that it really benefits me. |
| 19:54.29 | jturek | I also tried dpkg --purge |
| 19:54.46 | jturek | but it still fails, its like stuck in an void |
| 19:54.57 | regulate_ | try aptitude |
| 19:55.26 | rgsteele | valdyn: Hand-rolled kernels aren't some arcane, wildly radical thing. There are plenty of reasons for doing so... dunno why I have to justify it :) |
| 19:55.35 | valdyn | rgsteele: stock kernels boot a few seconds slower than kernels without an initrd |
| 19:55.39 | jelly | rgsteele: TBH it would be nice to have a couple of desktop-oriented kernel builds in the archive (-ck patchset is nice) |
| 19:55.44 | valdyn | rgsteele: they dont run any different |
| 19:55.58 | regulate_ | jelly: i have cfs running |
| 19:55.58 | DawnLight | i am getting: |
| 19:56.02 | regulate_ | with preempt |
| 19:56.17 | stew | jelly: or a low-latency kernel to keep things like jack and rosegarden happy |
| 19:56.19 | regulate_ | can package it if anyone wants |
| 19:56.24 | regulate_ | k8 specific atm |
| 19:56.38 | DawnLight | dawnlight@dalia:~$ sensors -s |
| 19:56.38 | DawnLight | adm1025-i2c-0-2d: Can't access procfs/sysfs file for writing; |
| 19:56.38 | DawnLight | Run as root? |
| 19:56.39 | DawnLight | dawnlight@dalia:~$ |
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| 19:56.48 | stew | !tell DawnLight about paste |
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| 19:58.16 | Amarande | sensors? what package is that from? |
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| 19:58.37 | stew | Amarande: /msg dpkg search |
| 19:58.42 | enouf | stew: referring to the newer 300_HZ option? |
| 19:58.55 | DawnLight | its from lm-sensors, Amarande |
| 19:59.02 | stew | enouf: yeah |
| 19:59.41 | rgsteele | valdyn: Well, I need an initrd for one because the version of GRUB I'm using doesn't support booting of multi-disk devices |
| 19:59.50 | DawnLight | oh, found it |
| 20:00.00 | rgsteele | s/of/off/ |
| 20:00.01 | ma3x | valdyn, can I run memtest86+ and select only the faulty address to be tested? |
| 20:00.05 | ma3x | does memtest have such option? |
| 20:00.09 | ma3x | do you know that? |
| 20:00.17 | valdyn | ma3x: no idea |
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| 20:00.34 | ma3x | valdyn, how come? you're the guru monkey!!! :p |
| 20:00.58 | streuner | <valdyn> ma3x: no idea |
| 20:01.04 | valdyn | ma3x: im not in the mood to read memtest86 documentation right now |
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| 20:01.13 | xingu | monkey, I'll agree with |
| 20:01.21 | streuner | haha |
| 20:01.42 | ma3x | xingu, you can't agree, you're the chimp |
| 20:01.51 | ma3x | you 're supposed to fight with monkeys |
| 20:01.59 | ma3x | streuner's the crocodile |
| 20:02.10 | ma3x | he'll frühstuck you all |
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| 20:02.17 | streuner | !eat ma3x |
| 20:02.20 | r0otz | i need some help |
| 20:02.21 | ma3x | hahaha |
| 20:02.35 | r0otz | something keeps modifying my resolv.conf everytiem i reboot debian 4.0 |
| 20:02.35 | Amarande | bah, nice going, sensors |
| 20:02.38 | r0otz | it messes with my |
| 20:02.42 | Amarande | apparently k8temp is not available in the stock kernel? |
| 20:02.45 | streuner | r0otz: DHCP? |
| 20:02.47 | r0otz | dns server.. it adds stuff i do not need.. |
| 20:02.48 | stew | r0otz: do you use dhcp? |
| 20:02.53 | ma3x | r0otz, what's contents of your resolv.conf now? |
| 20:02.54 | Amarande | or do I actually have to use a 64-bit kernel to get that? |
| 20:03.03 | r0otz | stew: streuner: could be |
| 20:03.04 | cureless | r0otz: the resolv.conf probably has a note on who is doing the modifying |
| 20:03.07 | r0otz | i how do i turn off? |
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| 20:03.14 | valdyn | Amarande: that's probably a good thing, k8-temp has issues |
| 20:03.16 | r0otz | mm where do i see that note sir? |
| 20:03.18 | ma3x | stew, if he uses dhcp is there still a way to prevent it from modifying resolv.conf ? |
| 20:03.19 | r0otz | i would like to see it |
| 20:03.23 | stew | ma3x: yes |
| 20:03.27 | r0otz | yeah dhcp is doing it for sure |
| 20:03.27 | ma3x | stew, how? |
| 20:03.28 | cureless | r0otz: cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 20:03.32 | r0otz | ok |
| 20:03.34 | stew | ma3x: /etc/dhclient.conf |
| 20:03.35 | r0otz | ill cat it |
| 20:03.37 | valdyn | Amarande: normally that information is available anyway via acpi, and both modules break each others functionality |
| 20:03.46 | r0otz | yes its client |
| 20:03.50 | r0otz | so what shall i do to it? |
| 20:03.56 | cureless | r0otz: punish it |
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| 20:04.06 | r0otz | #search domain.actdsltmp |
| 20:04.06 | r0otz | #nameserver 192.168.0.1 |
| 20:04.06 | r0otz | nameserver 205.171.3.65 |
| 20:04.13 | r0otz | seee but when i reboot it takes out thye # |
| 20:04.15 | ma3x | stew, can you paste examples in pastebin? |
| 20:04.16 | r0otz | thsoe are the oens i do not need |
| 20:04.19 | stew | ma3x: no |
| 20:04.25 | r0otz | cureless: i just punished it :( |
| 20:04.35 | r0otz | cureless: but it doesnt care |
| 20:04.37 | ma3x | stew, why not |
| 20:04.39 | eeyore- | is there no way for amd64 dual-core to go into S3 sleep state? the bios says it's set to S3, but /proc/acpi/sleep (or some such) has no such sleep state (none at all, in fact) |
| 20:04.41 | stew | ma3x: i don't have any |
| 20:04.47 | r0otz | stew: how can i fix this ? |
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| 20:04.49 | stew | r0otz: edit /etc/dhclient.conf |
| 20:04.54 | r0otz | ok |
| 20:04.56 | r0otz | let me look at it |
| 20:05.10 | stew | r0otz: supercede their nameservers with yours |
| 20:05.14 | ma3x | stew, is there no option to prevent it form modifying ? or must he specify the nameservers again in /etc/dhclient.conf |
| 20:05.14 | r0otz | its emtpy |
| 20:05.25 | eeyore- | i can load powernow-k8, however, the various fid/vids all check out (four of them from 1000MHz up to 2400MHz) |
| 20:05.34 | r0otz | /etc/dhclient.conf is empty ;( |
| 20:05.35 | eeyore- | still no S3 :-p |
| 20:05.40 | stew | ma3x: man dhclient.conf |
| 20:05.43 | enouf | hrm , never noticed this before, it seems /etc/dhcpc/resolv.conf here, is a symlink to /var/lib/dhcpc/resolv.conf |
| 20:05.46 | stew | r0otz: what version of debian are you running? |
| 20:05.55 | r0otz | 4.0 |
| 20:06.14 | ma3x | stew, dhclient.conf is not good. it's supposed to have option called something like " don't touch /etc/resolv.conf when dhcing " |
| 20:06.26 | stew | ma3x: it is? |
| 20:06.40 | valdyn | ma3x: it does |
| 20:06.55 | ma3x | stew, well since it doesnt have option like that , I must put options like nameserver ip nameserver ip2 hostname blah blah lease time. .l.... |
| 20:06.59 | cureless | r0otz: what is the program doing the modifying, what did resolv.conf say? |
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| 20:07.12 | r0otz | it does not give me anything |
| 20:07.12 | r0otz | it just modifies it |
| 20:07.14 | r0otz | #search domain.actdsltmp |
| 20:07.14 | r0otz | #nameserver 192.168.0.1 |
| 20:07.14 | r0otz | nameserver 205.171.3.65 |
| 20:07.16 | r0otz | from that |
| 20:07.19 | r0otz | to |
| 20:07.22 | r0otz | takign out the # ifront of those two lines |
| 20:07.23 | stew | r0otz: please don't paste in here, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 20:07.27 | r0otz | and then my dns scews up |
| 20:07.28 | r0otz | sorry |
| 20:07.41 | ma3x | valdyn, it doesnt |
| 20:07.58 | r0otz | http://pastebin.ca/475943 |
| 20:08.01 | simonrvn | r0otz: well, they have to *exist*... of course it screws up if they don't |
| 20:08.04 | r0otz | thats exactly what my resolv.conf looks like |
| 20:08.22 | vin` | ma3x: read the man page, look at supersede and prepend |
| 20:08.22 | simonrvn | man resolv.conf |
| 20:09.12 | r0otz | simonrvn: .. that doesnt help at all |
| 20:09.12 | stew | r0otz: do you have the dhcp-client package installed? if so, what version? |
| 20:09.17 | r0otz | let me check stew |
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| 20:09.31 | PerfDave | Anyway, my aptitude seems to have gotten its knickers in a twist - I tried removing some kernel packages and upgrading a new one, and now I get this: http://paste.debian.net/27368 - removing /var/lib/dpkg/lock /var/lock/aptitude and /var/lib/apt/lists/lock doesn't fix anything. Any ideas? |
| 20:09.33 | r0otz | moreover hwo can i cehck? |
| 20:09.52 | stew | r0otz: what does "apt-cache policy dhcp-client" say for "Installed:" |
| 20:10.01 | ma3x | vin`, so you see supersede [ option declaration ] ; |
| 20:10.02 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:10.21 | ma3x | what do you put there? |
| 20:10.24 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:10.24 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:10.27 | r0otz | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:10.29 | ma3x | again you specify domain name and hosts |
| 20:10.42 | r0otz | installed: none |
| 20:10.43 | cureless | PerfDave: have you tried using apt-get or dpkg directly? Maybe there's a problem in /var somewhere (like inconsistent state, etc) |
| 20:10.55 | stew | r0otz: so someone deleted your /etc/dhclient.conf |
| 20:10.59 | ma3x | instead of inventing an option like "don't touch /etc/resolv.conf" they invent those other options where you should supply more and more args |
| 20:11.05 | stew | r0otz: wait, installed: none? |
| 20:11.11 | ma3x | stew, no didn't I don't have too |
| 20:11.13 | stew | r0otz: or installed: 2.0pl5-19.5/ |
| 20:11.13 | r0otz | http://pastebin.ca/475947 |
| 20:11.20 | ma3x | I have /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf |
| 20:11.33 | PerfDave | cureless: No, I didn't want to risk breaking things further, or ending up where I can't use aptitude at all. |
| 20:11.40 | DawnLight | is there a manufacturer that is well known to be open? open source drivers, release datasheets etc. |
| 20:12.00 | cureless | DawnLight: manufacturer of what? |
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| 20:12.32 | Buck | I updated to etch with a single command |
| 20:12.35 | Buck | I RULE THE UNIVERSE!!1 |
| 20:12.50 | Buck | now on to apache |
| 20:12.50 | Bracki | Buck: what did you do? |
| 20:12.53 | stew | Buck: you shouldn't have, you should have followed the procedure in the release notes: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 20:13.08 | cureless | PerfDave: Does your /var/cache/apt look ok? |
| 20:13.58 | Buck | oh noes |
| 20:13.58 | Buck | I didn't catch the 'no longer' |
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| 20:14.13 | PerfDave | cureless: What should I be looking for? |
| 20:14.13 | ma3x | stew, so what exactly should I put in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf to leave the resolv.conf alone? |
| 20:14.29 | stew | ma3x: i don't know, i've never used it |
| 20:14.34 | eeyore- | ma3x: chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf |
| 20:14.38 | PerfDave | cureless: I've got a /var/cache/apt/archives full of .debs |
| 20:14.40 | r0otz | stew: http://pastebin.ca/475947 |
| 20:14.44 | ma3x | eeyore-, lol eggdrop |
| 20:15.02 | r0otz | stew: dhcp client is nto installed.. im taking it |
| 20:15.11 | cureless | PerfDave: I would start by deleting that. See if aptitude clean clears it |
| 20:15.12 | ma3x | eeyore-, what would that do? |
| 20:15.23 | eeyore- | ma3x: make /etc/resolv.conf immutable |
| 20:15.33 | ma3x | eeyore-, even by me? |
| 20:15.42 | sebastian | Can someone tell me why my debian installation fucks upp my system. When it rebooted after installation. it jst says "The opperatingsystem could not be booted" |
| 20:15.43 | stew | r0otz: its not, perhaps you are using dhcp3-client, which i believe is configured in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf |
| 20:15.53 | eeyore- | ma3x: you have to "chattr -i" first before you can write it |
| 20:15.59 | PerfDave | sebastian: Because you did something wrong? |
| 20:16.04 | r0otz | so do apt-cache policy dhcp3-client ? |
| 20:16.05 | eeyore- | ma3x: immutability also applies to file mode and ownership |
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| 20:16.27 | r0otz | stew: Installed: 3.0.4-13 |
| 20:16.29 | sebastian | predder: nope.. i didn't |
| 20:16.33 | r0otz | stew: dhcp3-client |
| 20:16.38 | ma3x | eeyore-, do you use this chattr often? |
| 20:16.41 | sebastian | PerfDave: * |
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| 20:16.45 | ma3x | I see it for the first time |
| 20:16.47 | stew | r0otz: right. so you'd edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf |
| 20:16.48 | eeyore- | ma3x: only on some files |
| 20:16.50 | ma3x | I know it from eggdrop only |
| 20:16.53 | scruffy_ | leave |
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| 20:17.04 | Amarande | eggdrop requires chattr? |
| 20:17.09 | sanelson | hrm, vlc gives only sound; mplayer works, but with poor performance |
| 20:17.16 | chops | sebastian: Botched lilo or grub installation, sounds like |
| 20:17.18 | Amarande | speaking of which, can a user prevent even root from deleting a file via chattr? |
| 20:17.18 | r0otz | stew: what ah ell do i look for everythign is disabled |
| 20:17.30 | r0otz | stew: besides one thing |
| 20:17.32 | Amarande | chops: probably grub |
| 20:17.32 | stew | r0otz: i've never used it, 'man dhclient.conf' |
| 20:17.33 | eeyore- | Amarande: no, you need to be root to chattr +i |
| 20:17.38 | chops | sebastian: You could try booting from a rescue disk and reinstalling grub |
| 20:17.39 | Buck | the release notes seem to have no information on updating to etch |
| 20:17.43 | Amarande | LILO was never that clear about the reasons it wouldn't boot. :) |
| 20:17.43 | chops | sebastian: Are there any other OSes on that machine? |
| 20:17.46 | whitebread | just run dhclient eth0 |
| 20:17.46 | stew | Buck: chapter 4 |
| 20:17.48 | sanelson | totem doesn't work - bitches about being unable to connect to hal |
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| 20:17.50 | Buck | nvm |
| 20:17.53 | sebastian | chops: Its already installd o_O |
| 20:17.54 | chops | Amarande: That sounds like a BIOS message to me, actually |
| 20:18.00 | sebastian | but i'll try |
| 20:18.00 | PerfDave | cureless: OK, I ran "aptitude clean", but that hasn't helped "aptitude dist-upgrade" run. |
| 20:18.01 | sebastian | brb |
| 20:18.03 | Amarande | LILO gave fun errors like L, LI, LIL, LIL/, LIL-, LILo, etc. ... heh |
| 20:18.07 | ma3x | eeyore-, how do I list the attributes? |
| 20:18.08 | chops | Amarande: Oh, trust me, I remember :-) |
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| 20:18.20 | chops | Amarande: My favorite was "LI LI LI LI LI LI LI" and so on |
| 20:18.40 | eeyore- | ma3x: what's the command? |
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| 20:19.39 | eeyore- | abrotman: a fridge on 4th floor caught on fire |
| 20:19.40 | ma3x | eeyore-, yeah |
| 20:19.45 | abrotman | eeyore-: cute |
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| 20:19.56 | Amarande | I remember getting LIL- in particular a few times. |
| 20:20.03 | eeyore- | ma3x: command is "chattr", so the manpage command would be .... drum roll ... "man chattr" :-) |
| 20:20.22 | ma3x | eeyore-, it doesnt say anything about listing the attributes given to the file |
| 20:20.30 | eeyore- | abrotman: this is probably the same office that burned a hamburger in the microwave |
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| 20:21.00 | eeyore- | ma3x: i thought you want the comprehensive list. to see what's been given to the file, "lsattr" |
| 20:21.02 | abrotman | that's hard |
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| 20:21.55 | eeyore- | abrotman: well i suppose if you leave it in the fancy foil-like wrapper it's not that hard :-) |
| 20:22.10 | ma3x | eeyore-, how do you give a user the CAP_LINUX_IMMUTABLE ? |
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| 20:23.12 | r0otz | stew: i guess i could prepend the domain name server ?? |
| 20:23.28 | abrotman | eeyore-: foil is fine in the microwave |
| 20:23.35 | stew | r0otz: supercede it |
| 20:23.44 | eeyore- | ma3x: capset() and capget() system calls |
| 20:24.05 | ma3x | ugh, what would that be? no clue |
| 20:24.10 | Amarande | hmm, no man pages |
| 20:24.12 | r0otz | stew: just the nameserver ? |
| 20:24.20 | Amarande | which package installs the usual map pages for glibc? |
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| 20:24.21 | PerfDave | cureless: Any more thoughts? |
| 20:24.23 | Amarande | er, man pages |
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| 20:25.28 | eeyore- | Amarande: i think it's just in info pages |
| 20:25.31 | r0otz | stew: .. the problem is that something keeps adding stuff to my resolv.conf |
| 20:25.42 | r0otz | stew: it addes two lines that are not needed :( |
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| 20:25.44 | stew | r0otz: supercede any stuff that is getting added that you don't want |
| 20:25.53 | chops | Amarande: manpages-dev, IIRC |
| 20:25.57 | cureless | PerfDave: one sec, somebody came into my office |
| 20:25.58 | r0otz | stew: ok can i have mroe then one supercede? |
| 20:26.17 | stew | r0otz: yes |
| 20:26.42 | stew | r0otz: afaik, remember i've never actually used the software you are talking about |
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| 20:26.51 | tarzeau | !pluto |
| 20:26.54 | r0otz | stew: ok hah |
| 20:27.13 | sebastian | Does someone know any Linuxdistro that works under isntallation? Debian sux.. It fucks up.. |
| 20:27.29 | wintix | sebastian: troll elsewhere. |
| 20:27.29 | tarzeau | dpkg pluto is not a planet. dict pluto is wrong! |
| 20:27.29 | dpkg | tarzeau: okay |
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| 20:27.40 | tarzeau | sebastian: livecd.gnustep.org |
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| 20:28.14 | oMish | For a service X (/etc/init.d/X), how do I print list of levels on which it is enabled ? |
| 20:28.35 | r0otz | stew: so just reboot the box njow? |
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| 20:29.03 | stew | r0otz: '/etc/init.d/networking restart' should be enough |
| 20:29.05 | chops | oMish: ls /etc/rc?.d/*X |
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| 20:29.25 | sanelson | oMish: init scripts are symlinker in /etc/rc?.d - look at them; use inode number. |
| 20:30.53 | r0otz | supercede haha actualy added another thing |
| 20:30.53 | r0otz | added another nameserver that i wanted off |
| 20:30.53 | chops | oMish: /etc/rcM.d/SNNX means it's enabled in runlevel M |
| 20:30.54 | misreckoning | I hear funny noise from my speakers when I'm having a CD inserted in my laptop |
| 20:30.54 | chops | oMish: /etc/rcM.d/KNNX means it's disabled in runlevel M |
| 20:30.54 | oMish | Are you guys sure debian has no script for that ? |
| 20:30.54 | Amarande | misreckoning, put better music into your laptop :) |
| 20:30.54 | chops | oMish: Straightforward, isn't it? :-) |
| 20:30.55 | oMish | no |
| 20:30.55 | sanelson | oMish: there isn't a chkconfig equivalnent, no. |
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| 20:30.55 | chops | oMish: I'm not at all sure that Debian doesn't have a script, but that's the way I know of. |
| 20:30.55 | misreckoning | Amarande: a friend told me it is hardware fault |
| 20:30.55 | oMish | update.rc or something ? |
| 20:30.55 | misreckoning | and I think it is ALSA thing |
| 20:30.56 | stew | r0otz: right, you tell it what value you want to supercede the one dhclient gives you |
| 20:30.56 | misreckoning | and you just can't find a better place to ask than #debian :) |
| 20:31.03 | ustunozgur | tarzeau: is gnustep basically a desktop env. like gnome and kde? |
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| 20:31.10 | chops | ustunozgur: Yes |
| 20:31.14 | tarzeau | ustunozgur: no, it's much superior |
| 20:31.15 | wintix | misreckoning: maybe muting CD in alsamixer will help. |
| 20:31.19 | Amarande | ok, if it's not supposed to be funny noise |
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| 20:31.20 | Amarande | hmm |
| 20:31.20 | chops | tarzeau: Heh |
| 20:31.21 | tarzeau | chops: no it's way ahead |
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| 20:31.29 | Amarande | misreckoning, the CD isn't copy protected, is it? |
| 20:31.29 | chops | tarzeau: So I've heard |
| 20:31.34 | tarzeau | chops: really? |
| 20:31.38 | chops | tarzeau: I'm content with blackbox, myself |
| 20:31.41 | chops | tarzeau: yes |
| 20:31.48 | r0otz | stew: supercede jsut changes thing |
| 20:32.02 | r0otz | it doesnt prevent antying from beind added |
| 20:32.04 | misreckoning | Amarande: actually the CD is 1st Debian Etch DVD |
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| 20:32.07 | tarzeau | ustunozgur: sen turkmusun? |
| 20:32.12 | ustunozgur | evet |
| 20:32.15 | tarzeau | ana |
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| 20:32.18 | chops | tarzeau: People who run gnustep tend to be convinced that it's better than KDE/Gnome. People who run KDE/Gnome tend to have never heard of gnustep. Advantage, gnustep! |
| 20:32.19 | misreckoning | Amarande: any cd ... |
| 20:32.31 | stew | r0otz: then i don't know. 'man dhclient.conf' |
| 20:32.31 | misreckoning | and when it is "working" the noise gets louder |
| 20:32.38 | r0otz | ok |
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| 20:32.43 | misreckoning | like a plane is taking off :D |
| 20:33.00 | wintix | misreckoning: did you try muting it in alsa? |
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| 20:33.12 | wintix | misreckoning: alsamixer. |
| 20:33.21 | misreckoning | wintix: well that is funny! I did, and it isn't working :/ |
| 20:33.32 | Amarande | Alptraum? I remember that nick from a LONG time ago |
| 20:33.32 | misreckoning | wintix: I have muted audio completely! |
| 20:33.34 | chops | misreckoning: That doesn't sound like anything software can help with... that sounds like dying hardware to me. A mate of mine has an airplane-taking-off CD player as well. |
| 20:33.41 | Amarande | like almost 10 years ago, I think |
| 20:33.47 | misreckoning | chops: nah it is a new computer |
| 20:33.58 | wintix | misreckoning: do you have some sort of audio output cable from your cd drive to the soundcard? maybe unplug it. |
| 20:34.00 | chops | misreckoning: Which are _always_ free of hardware problems :-) |
| 20:34.25 | misreckoning | wintix: no I don't - I have a laptop |
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| 20:34.37 | misreckoning | chops: right ;) |
| 20:34.48 | wintix | misreckoning: well. as chops said, sounds like a hardware problem. |
| 20:35.13 | misreckoning | well actually ... I remember it as it was yesterday, and in fact I bought it one year before ... Amilo Pa 1510 :) |
| 20:35.37 | misreckoning | (not quite a year) |
| 20:37.27 | cureless | PerfDave: k, I'm back. So, what kernel are you running? what's the relationship to the one you're installing? |
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| 20:38.17 | PerfDave | cureless: No relationship whatsoever. |
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| 20:38.56 | PerfDave | cureless: I get the same error from aptitude whether I'm trying to install a kernel or non-kernel package. |
| 20:38.57 | smcavoy_ | anyone else have problems with an amd64 kernel and nvidia-kernel-source? it won't compile a usable binary module |
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| 20:39.15 | cureless | PerfDave: and right now you're getting the error on dist-upgrade? |
| 20:39.18 | PerfDave | Does nvidia make 64-bit kernel stuff available? |
| 20:39.25 | PerfDave | cureless: Yes, but I also get it on aptitude install. |
| 20:39.38 | wintix | PerfDave: just compile it from source. |
| 20:39.45 | madclicker | hi all, is there a way to add a hostname instead of ip address in a dns A record? |
| 20:39.59 | wintix | PerfDave: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
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| 20:40.23 | sebastian | the debian installer sux COCK! |
| 20:40.23 | PerfDave | wintix: Does that apply to amd64? |
| 20:40.23 | tarzeau | sebastian: hehe |
| 20:40.23 | sebastian | I HATE DEBIAN FROM NOW ON! |
| 20:40.24 | wintix | !ops sebastian is trolling |
| 20:40.24 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: wintix complains about: sebastian is trolling |
| 20:40.25 | tarzeau | sebastian: tried debian gnu/kfreebsd yet? |
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| 20:40.30 | tarzeau | sebastian: they have the freebsd installer |
| 20:40.36 | stew | sebastian: lose the caps, and please try to keep it productive |
| 20:40.43 | eeyore- | sebastian: that's nice, dear |
| 20:40.46 | RichiH | sebastian: you could ask for support, instead :) |
| 20:40.58 | streuner | r0otz: |
| 20:40.59 | stew | sebastian: if you have a question, we'll try to answer it. if you are just here to complain, please don't bother |
| 20:41.00 | LoRez | sebastian: come up with contructive suggestions or kindly shove off :) |
| 20:41.05 | Odinn | is there a way to enable antialiasing on bash? :\ |
| 20:41.15 | tarzeau | Odinn: in X? |
| 20:41.15 | r0otz | yes streuner |
| 20:41.19 | Odinn | yes |
| 20:41.19 | Odinn | aterm |
| 20:41.20 | tarzeau | Odinn: i use Terminal.app for that (true type fonts look great) |
| 20:41.25 | eeyore- | smcavoy_: you probably forgot the 32-bit emulation packages? |
| 20:41.25 | r0otz | streuner: im still stuck |
| 20:41.28 | sebastian | Ok.. I've installed it, and then it reboots, and throws me an error "The operativsystem could not me booted" |
| 20:41.31 | wintix | PerfDave: yes. read it. it tells you what to install if you have amd64 :) |
| 20:41.31 | streuner | sebastian: nice you have the attention of several channel-OPS and net-OPS :-) |
| 20:41.36 | Amarande | I'm still thinking about changing my xchat font to something less ugly |
| 20:42.01 | Odinn | tarzeau, when i ls the colors hurt my eyes :\ |
| 20:42.01 | Amarande | streuner, he probably wanted attention |
| 20:42.02 | PerfDave | wintix: I don't have amd64 :) |
| 20:42.02 | Amarande | good going, wintix. :) |
| 20:42.02 | streuner | Amarande: hehe :-) |
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| 20:42.15 | entropy | I just bought a new hard drive (ide) for and old machine, removed old harddrive (ide) - installation installs packages etc but fails to install either grub or lilo "(grub|lilo) failed to install" .. any suggestions? |
| 20:42.16 | tarzeau | Odinn: like these? http://cow.ethz.ch/ocp-x11.png |
| 20:42.17 | wintix | PerfDave: < PerfDave> wintix: Does that apply to amd64? you don't? |
| 20:42.19 | sebastian | Give me some fucking support then! |
| 20:42.31 | tarzeau | sebastian: #gnu-kbsd |
| 20:42.33 | avoine | Hi, there is a package for the french traduction of emacs ? |
| 20:42.33 | r0otz | streuner: ? hjaha |
| 20:42.41 | misreckoning | sebastian: here, have some support: support |
| 20:42.43 | PerfDave | wintix: No, I don't. smcavoy_ was asking about nvidia-kernel-source and amd64. |
| 20:43.01 | sebastian | misreckoning: GO FUCK YOU MOM! |
| 20:43.01 | sebastian | FAGS |
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| 20:43.04 | wintix | PerfDave: oh. didn't get that. |
| 20:43.11 | r0otz | haha |
| 20:43.11 | eeyore- | Odinn: that's not bash that's antialiased. that's his terminal application that's doing the antialiasing |
| 20:43.13 | misreckoning | roflmao :) |
| 20:43.21 | r0otz | boy |
| 20:43.24 | r0otz | he was pissed |
| 20:43.26 | r0otz | for some reason |
| 20:43.39 | Odinn | no... ill take an ss and show u |
| 20:43.44 | misreckoning | oh now we have one more debian h8er ;) |
| 20:43.44 | eeyore- | misreckoning: i thought it would be, "here, have some support: depends" |
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| 20:44.07 | streuner | don't worry, its usually something else... |
| 20:44.20 | r0otz | streuner: u gonan help me with this stiking dhcp3 |
| 20:44.42 | streuner | r0otz: oh, you running your own DHCP server? |
| 20:45.03 | wintix | r0otz: /msg dpkg u |
| 20:45.07 | r0otz | streuner: yes |
| 20:45.12 | Odinn | tarzeau, like that: http://tianak.homelinux.com/ssbash.png |
| 20:45.15 | enouf | entropy: what's you syntax to install grub? |
| 20:45.30 | tarzeau | Odinn: ugly |
| 20:45.35 | Odinn | i know |
| 20:45.40 | Odinn | i want to fix it :) |
| 20:45.52 | Amarande | hmm, maybe someone should msg sebastian and tell him to install redhat |
| 20:45.58 | Sazpaimon | question |
| 20:46.02 | Sazpaimon | http://packages.debian.org/stable/libs/libc6-amd64 |
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| 20:46.05 | r0otz | haha |
| 20:46.10 | r0otz | dpkg went nuts on me |
| 20:46.12 | Sazpaimon | why is this listed under i386 architecture |
| 20:46.14 | Amarande | no particular hate for the redhat community |
| 20:46.17 | r0otz | when i /msg dpkg u |
| 20:46.22 | Amarande | just to get him to install a distro that won't have him back in here. ;) |
| 20:46.37 | Amarande | wait, people come in here asking for help with redhat all the time, don't they :| |
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| 20:46.51 | wintix | r0otz: i just wanted to tell you, not to use "u" :) |
| 20:46.53 | Odinn | tarzeau, any ideas? |
| 20:46.54 | asarch | Hi everyone, how is it getting along? |
| 20:46.58 | tarzeau | Odinn: i use terminal.app |
| 20:46.59 | asarch | How's the weather? |
| 20:47.05 | gn00b | i'm installing debian for the very 1st time. approximately how long will it take to do a net installation? |
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| 20:47.10 | tarzeau | !weather |
| 20:47.17 | Amarande | gn00b, broadband? |
| 20:47.20 | wintix | gn00b: depends on your connection. |
| 20:47.23 | r0otz | gn00b: a while.. depending what ur sintaling |
| 20:47.25 | PerfDave | gn00b: Depends on your internet connection speed I guess. I find it's easier to download the first full CD than the netinst. |
| 20:47.29 | r0otz | gn00b: and ur connection \=_ |
| 20:47.33 | omri | Sazpaimon, heh, look http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/glibc/libc6-amd64_2.3.6.ds1-13_i386.deb |
| 20:47.34 | Amarande | probably not more than an hour or two at most. |
| 20:47.40 | omri | it's even available :) |
| 20:47.43 | Odinn | ok lets try it |
| 20:47.44 | r0otz | ok |
| 20:47.47 | r0otz | wintix: ok |
| 20:47.50 | Odinn | does it support transparency? :P |
| 20:47.51 | Sazpaimon | omri, yeah, I know |
| 20:47.52 | wintix | PerfDave: netinstall is the better way. since you won't waste bandwidth :) |
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| 20:47.59 | r0otz | but i still dont know how to fix my resolv.conf |
| 20:48.03 | gn00b | r0otz, dsl |
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| 20:48.10 | tarzeau | Odinn: not the version in debian, but yeah there are patches |
| 20:48.14 | omri | r0otz, what's wrong with it? |
| 20:48.14 | PerfDave | wintix: But your computer is out of action for longer. |
| 20:48.19 | tarzeau | Odinn: it supports meta-n though |
| 20:48.28 | smcavoy_ | eeyore-, actually I'm running 32bit with a 64bit kernel |
| 20:48.28 | gn00b | qwest dsl |
| 20:48.43 | Odinn | tarzeau, whats meta-n? O.o |
| 20:49.01 | tarzeau | Odinn: if you press it (alt-n) you get a new terminal window, very efficient |
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| 20:49.30 | omri | smcavoy_, that makes sense actually; 64bits kernel, 32bits libraries and binaries |
| 20:49.34 | r0otz | omri: soetmhing keeps adding extra nameserver and a search |
| 20:49.39 | enouf | r0otz: does this file exist? /etc/dhcpc/resolv.conf and does it have your nameservers |
| 20:49.41 | r0otz | omri: when networking restarted or box rebooted |
| 20:49.48 | r0otz | enouf: its actualy dhcp3 |
| 20:49.57 | r0otz | /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf |
| 20:50.00 | r0otz | but |
| 20:50.04 | r0otz | let me check |
| 20:50.06 | enouf | erm .. r0otz i meant this file /var/lib/dhcpc/resolv.conf |
| 20:50.07 | omri | r0otz, pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:50.19 | r0otz | ok |
| 20:50.24 | Amarande | I'm still thinking if I should install windowmaker. |
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| 20:50.39 | tarzeau | Amarande: i use window maker |
| 20:50.40 | omri | one more thing I would try (solved me pppd issue), chmod 111 /etc/resolv.conf |
| 20:50.45 | Amarande | like, if there's any real advantage to using it over metacity, besides probably being able to use themes that probably won't actually carry over into GNOME apps. |
| 20:50.54 | entropy | I just bought a new hard drive (ide) for and old machine, removed old harddrive (ide) - installation installs packages etc but fails to install either grub or lilo "(grub|lilo) failed to install" .. any suggestions? |
| 20:50.54 | oMish | There is no nslookup, no 'host'. How do I check resolving ? |
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| 20:51.27 | omri | entropy, check the other TTYs; alt+f1, alt+f2 ... |
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| 20:51.40 | eeyore- | control-shift-T here (gnome-terminal) |
| 20:51.40 | omri | I don't remember which one outputs debugging messages |
| 20:51.41 | wintix | PerfDave: hmm. you did something wrong ;) |
| 20:51.53 | PerfDave | wintix: Yeah, I netinstalled. |
| 20:51.58 | omri | oMish, ping? |
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| 20:52.13 | tarzeau | eeyore-: gnome-terminal is slow, ugly and very xterm uncompatible |
| 20:52.31 | r0otz | http://pastebin.ca/476010 |
| 20:52.42 | Amarande | oMish, apt-get host to get host |
| 20:52.44 | eeyore- | tarzeau: anything that antialiases font is slow ... if you want fast, go with bitmapped fonts :-) |
| 20:52.47 | omri | r0otz, try chmod 111 /etc/resolv.conf and restart networking |
| 20:52.52 | Amarande | I think ... |
| 20:52.52 | r0otz | ok |
| 20:52.55 | r0otz | that would work heh |
| 20:52.58 | Amarande | and nslookup is probably apt-get install bind9 |
| 20:53.04 | omri | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 20:53.13 | tarzeau | eeyore-: gnome-terminal has extra efforts built-in that it's super slow |
| 20:53.14 | omri | it's dhcp and yet you specified static attributes |
| 20:53.17 | Amarande | actually, apt-get install bind9 should get you both |
| 20:53.39 | Amarande | not to mention I find my system works a lot more efficiently with BIND installed. :) |
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| 20:53.52 | omri | r0otz, my pppd changes my /etc/resolv.conf and I don't want to change the scripts so I chmod'ed the resolv.conf |
| 20:53.52 | r0otz | ahh |
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| 20:54.02 | Amarande | make sure you type the 9 ... heh |
| 20:54.02 | r0otz | omri: it over wrote the 111. and it still overwrote resolv.conf |
| 20:54.19 | r0otz | that sux |
| 20:54.19 | Amarande | tarzeau, do you use GNOME or KDE in addition to windowmaker? |
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| 20:54.27 | r0otz | it even surpresses chmod of 111 |
| 20:54.27 | omri | r0otz, should it be DHCP? |
| 20:54.35 | tarzeau | Amarande: dpkg -l | grep gtk and dpkg -l | grep qt return 0 results |
| 20:54.40 | tarzeau | Amarande: likewise w/ gnome and kde |
| 20:54.53 | Amarande | tarzeau, drat. |
| 20:55.04 | Amarande | I was wondering whether, when running WM under a GNOME session |
| 20:55.11 | Amarande | whether the GNOME theme or the WM theme takes priority |
| 20:55.23 | omri | r0otz, probably because it changes it as root; one more thing before we dig into it; chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf |
| 20:55.25 | tarzeau | Amarande: i use a lot of gnustep software and command line stuff in window maker |
| 20:55.26 | chops | Amarande: See also dnsmasq... it's a bit lighter-weight alternative to bind9 if you just want local DNS caching |
| 20:55.34 | omri | assuming your filesystem supports it |
| 20:55.36 | r0otz | ok |
| 20:55.37 | tarzeau | Amarande: i sometimes use amiwm |
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| 20:55.59 | omri | r0otz, you do remember to restore the contents to what you want before, right? |
| 20:56.07 | PerfDave | Bah, I have seven packages on my system which match (gtk|gnome) |
| 20:56.09 | r0otz | mm of resolv.conf? |
| 20:56.09 | eeyore- | night! |
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| 20:56.12 | omri | yes |
| 20:56.14 | ustunozgur | lol there is a wikipediafs! |
| 20:56.24 | omri | it wouldn't magicly restore itself :) |
| 20:56.38 | r0otz | omri: yeah i kow |
| 20:56.45 | tdn | Does anyone use LUKS for encrypted disks/swap? I get this error when trying to do a luksFormat: http://thomasdamgaard.dk/p/P525.html |
| 20:56.49 | r0otz | omri: only one main nameserver is all i need.. |
| 20:56.51 | PerfDave | Ah, probably because I've got Iceweasel installed for my girlfriend. |
| 20:57.10 | omri | r0otz, then change your resolv.conf; fire up chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf and restart networking |
| 20:57.10 | r0otz | omri: and i remember what it is =) |
| 20:57.11 | Amarande | Encrypted swap? |
| 20:57.17 | r0otz | ok |
| 20:57.19 | Amarande | How do you set that up, anyway? |
| 20:57.42 | Amarande | PerfDave, what browser do you use if you don't use iceweasel? |
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| 20:57.47 | PerfDave | Amarande: konqueror |
| 20:57.51 | r0otz | damin |
| 20:57.53 | Amarande | ahh, you use KDE |
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| 20:58.00 | PerfDave | Amarande: Of course, I like myself. |
| 20:58.02 | r0otz | omri: i set the chattr +i resolve.conf before i edited the sucker .. |
| 20:58.12 | omri | so chattr -i it :) |
| 20:58.12 | Amarande | do you use the usual KDE wm, or do you use something else? |
| 20:58.15 | r0otz | omri: now it wont let me save it .. permision denied even though i nano with sudo =) haha |
| 20:58.16 | omri | then chattr +i :) |
| 20:58.23 | r0otz | oh |
| 20:58.23 | Odinn | tarzeau, could it be a font problem? |
| 20:58.25 | omri | that was the idea :) |
| 20:58.30 | r0otz | omri: what is chatter +i |
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| 20:58.31 | r0otz | or chatter |
| 20:58.35 | PerfDave | Anyway, my aptitude seems to have gotten its knickers in a twist - I tried removing some kernel packages and upgrading a new one, and now I get this: http://paste.debian.net/27368 - removing /var/lib/dpkg/lock /var/lock/aptitude and /var/lib/apt/lists/lock doesn't fix anything. Any ideas? |
| 20:58.36 | omri | man chattr |
| 20:58.37 | Odinn | tarzeau, maybe i should select another font? |
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| 20:58.40 | PerfDave | Amarande: I use KDE |
| 20:58.43 | omri | I think +i stands for immune |
| 20:58.50 | r0otz | crzy crap |
| 20:58.52 | Amarande | i means immutable |
| 20:58.53 | chops | omri: immutable I believe |
| 20:58.57 | Amarande | file may not be altered until you remove it |
| 20:59.03 | omri | chops, yup; that |
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| 20:59.13 | Amarande | I'm not sure what capital I means though, I saw that one once too |
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| 20:59.21 | omri | man chattr ... |
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| 20:59.27 | r0otz | ok |
| 20:59.30 | r0otz | ill lok at man chattr |
| 20:59.43 | omri | r0otz, you can also read about lsattr |
| 21:00.04 | ampex | is anyone interested in debian based VPS hosting? |
| 21:00.14 | r0otz | ok |
| 21:00.14 | tarzeau | ampex: what's VPS? |
| 21:00.16 | r0otz | omri: that worked |
| 21:00.19 | ampex | virtual private server |
| 21:00.20 | omri | goody :) |
| 21:00.22 | PerfDave | ampex: Nope, I've already got Debian-based Xen hosting. |
| 21:00.25 | tarzeau | Odinn: you can try |
| 21:00.33 | r0otz | omri: chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf worked.. now i gota learn what a hell we just did haha |
| 21:00.38 | tarzeau | Odinn: no, there's a difference between aa or not |
| 21:00.47 | r0otz | lsattr ok |
| 21:00.49 | omri | another solution, which is more complicated but cleaner is to change the dhclient (or dhcp's) attributes |
| 21:00.50 | LordAnakin | Good night! |
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| 21:00.54 | omri | telling it not to alter your resolv.conf |
| 21:01.02 | omri | I didn't find how to do that in interfaces(5) |
| 21:01.06 | r0otz | is that alll chattr does? |
| 21:01.41 | omri | there are lots of attributes |
| 21:01.44 | omri | man chattr :) |
| 21:01.50 | Amarande | and after about 2 weeks, I'm finally nicely settled into Linux |
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| 21:02.02 | Amarande | hmm, one thing I'm still not sure on though |
| 21:02.11 | Amarande | is whether just anyone can shut down the system from the GDM login screen |
| 21:02.15 | r0otz | mm oki dok omri |
| 21:02.16 | Amarande | or whether that requires the root password |
| 21:02.25 | r0otz | omri: thanks for your help ill look into chattr =) |
| 21:02.33 | omri | no problem; good luck |
| 21:02.35 | Amarande | I know if you try it from any user login other than mine, it just logs you out without actually shutting down |
| 21:02.38 | r0otz | thanks .. |
| 21:02.40 | Amarande | but I haven't tried it from the logon screen |
| 21:02.45 | edju | My dvd drive went kaplooie. My son has a Mac on the lan. Is it possible to stream a dvd from the Mac to this Debian PC? Don't want a howto - just is it possible. |
| 21:03.03 | ampex | edju: I don't see why not |
| 21:03.05 | Amarande | edju, probably |
| 21:03.05 | ustunozgur | edju: try vlc. fairly easy. |
| 21:03.08 | PerfDave | edju: a DVD film, or the raw device? |
| 21:03.13 | Amarande | you might need gigabit to have enough bandwidth, though |
| 21:03.18 | PerfDave | edju: If you just want to watch a movie, vlc / vls will help. |
| 21:03.26 | PerfDave | (assuming it's available for OS X) |
| 21:03.38 | ustunozgur | vls is old. vlc is a server too, use it. |
| 21:03.40 | Amarande | but dvd drives ar cheap these days |
| 21:03.50 | edju | vlc is available for the Mac. |
| 21:03.55 | ustunozgur | yes |
| 21:03.58 | Amarande | vlc is available for anything, pretty much. |
| 21:04.03 | sonmez | hi, i have a webcam which works with ubuntu 6.06, but when i changed my distro to debian etch, my webcam didn't work.. does anybody anything about this? thanks.. |
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| 21:04.15 | PerfDave | edju: Or just run Debian on the Mac ;) |
| 21:04.15 | Amarande | vlc would doubtless be available on my shoe, if my shoe was able to run an OS and had speakers and a monitor. |
| 21:04.35 | semprix | guys |
| 21:04.37 | Amarande | actually, vlc would probably be available on a random piece of dirt, if it had a monitor, speakers and could run an OS. |
| 21:04.37 | PerfDave | sonmez: Different kernel drivers, probably, or different autodetection. |
| 21:04.39 | edju | OK. Thanks. I'll look into it. |
| 21:04.45 | semprix | where do I find XOpenDisplay |
| 21:04.55 | semprix | configure: error: unable to find XOpenDisplay |
| 21:05.10 | PerfDave | semprix: What are you trying to configure? |
| 21:05.14 | ustunozgur | edju: vlc is also good for playing almost any type of video. |
| 21:05.21 | ustunozgur | except realplayer movies. |
| 21:05.24 | semprix | PerfDave, xonclock |
| 21:05.52 | PerfDave | Realplayer movies are all shit anyway :) |
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| 21:06.04 | sonmez | PerfDave: do you know where i should look at first to get/tail solution? |
| 21:06.18 | semprix | PerfDave, anyway idea |
| 21:06.41 | Amarande | if RealPlayer is what's real |
| 21:06.49 | PerfDave | sonmez: Any idea what driver you need for your webcam, whether it's available in your kernel or can be compiled in? What webcam is it? |
| 21:06.55 | Amarande | then Eastern philosophy is right, reality is sorrow ... lol |
| 21:07.17 | rosaunte | hi, can anybody tell me where i can find support with Dreamlinux... i would like to know after install if my other OS's show in grub |
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| 21:07.21 | misreckoning | what do you think about Open Solaris kernel and this project: http://www.gnusolaris.org/gswiki |
| 21:07.23 | sonmez | PerfDave: a4-tech laptop camera |
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| 21:07.49 | misreckoning | will we ever see Solaris kernel in official debian? is it free completely? |
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| 21:07.58 | tarzeau | misreckoning: you know gnu/kfreebsd? |
| 21:08.14 | PerfDave | misreckoning: I don't think it's related to Debian :) |
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| 21:08.25 | ustunozgur | here, read the part about real player http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=macs_cant sorry mac users, no offense. |
| 21:08.34 | misreckoning | tarzeau: yes |
| 21:08.49 | h3xis | is there a way i can see what net drivers are included on the net install CD/floppy images? i have a tulip card and it doesn't seem to be supported |
| 21:08.51 | whitebread | red is right |
| 21:08.54 | misreckoning | PerfDave: it is, it is a debian running on solaris kernel |
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| 21:09.16 | PerfDave | misreckoning: No, it's a GNU userland running on a Solaris kernel using an APT-style packaging system. |
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| 21:09.59 | sanelson | h3xis: yes; look in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/net |
| 21:10.03 | misreckoning | PerfDave: that is a much better definition :) |
| 21:10.05 | PerfDave | sonmez: Hmm, not heard of that. Any idea what the module it needs is? |
| 21:10.22 | Amarande | Floppy? |
| 21:10.36 | Amarande | wow, I'm surprised anything that quaint gets used for anything but installing legacy software |
| 21:10.37 | h3xis | sanelson, alright, in the event (which it will probably be the case) that it's not listed, is there a way to include the drivers for my card so that it will be recognized? |
| 21:11.24 | Ciantic | I have some experimental/unstable packages installed, I leave only stable to sources.list and run apt-get upgrade, can it cause some conflicts? |
| 21:11.32 | tarzeau | Amarande: copy parties? |
| 21:11.36 | Amarande | ahh, the good old days, when we hadn't invented the wheel yet and we had to dodge T-rexes on the way to work. :) |
| 21:11.45 | PerfDave | sonmez: A quick google suggests that it's a rebranded logitech quickcam. Does lsusb provide anything interesting? |
| 21:11.49 | PerfDave | Ciantic: Yes it can. |
| 21:12.05 | sonmez | PerfDave: thanks.. i should get a new one.. that webcam doesn't worth enough to communicate with debian :) |
| 21:12.06 | Ciantic | PerfDave, so is there any way to upgrade my packages? |
| 21:12.15 | sanelson | h3xis: ask in the debian installer dev channel; there are various images, some may include drivers; alternatively you may be able to get the driver on, eg, a usb stick and modprobe it manually. |
| 21:12.27 | h3xis | sanelson k thx |
| 21:12.29 | PerfDave | Ciantic: You want to go from experimental to stable? That's downgrading, not upgrading. |
| 21:12.44 | PerfDave | sonmez: If it's a USB Logitech, qc-usb-source may be what you want. |
| 21:12.52 | Ciantic | PerfDave, well, there are only a few from unstable/experimental, rest is from stable |
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| 21:13.19 | x_link | !linux-image-2.20 |
| 21:13.25 | sonmez | PerfDave: i'm gonna try it |
| 21:13.28 | Amarande | hmm, so many things in popcon that I've never seen before |
| 21:13.32 | x_link | !info linux-image-2.20 |
| 21:13.36 | x_link | hmm |
| 21:13.39 | Amarande | does popcon count EVERY package that anyone on a system with it installed EVER debianized? |
| 21:13.39 | x_link | How did that command work? |
| 21:13.46 | Amarande | regardless of whether it's in any debian or not? |
| 21:13.46 | tarzeau | Amarande: yes |
| 21:13.57 | enouf | h3xis: go to p.d.o and enter you xxxx.ko in the file search, then follow to the kerenls |
| 21:13.58 | tarzeau | Amarande: yes no matter if it's there or not |
| 21:14.01 | PerfDave | Ciantic: Mixing repositories may lead to conflicts. Using repositories other than stable may lead to conflicts. |
| 21:14.11 | h3xis | enouf alright |
| 21:14.19 | Amarande | Ciantic, if you want to use sid packages with etch |
| 21:14.24 | x_link | !info linux-image-2.6.20 |
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| 21:14.30 | Amarande | the most trouble-free way would be to point your deb-src line in sources.list to sid |
| 21:14.32 | Ciantic | Amarande, this ain't etch |
| 21:14.41 | Amarande | then do an apt-get source and build your own package. |
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| 21:14.45 | x_link | !info linux-image-2.6.20-2-k7 |
| 21:14.48 | enouf | x_link: it's linux-image-2.6.21-1 and /msg the bot please |
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| 21:14.54 | Amarande | Ciantic: sarge? |
| 21:14.58 | enouf | bah |
| 21:15.02 | Ciantic | Amarande, yes |
| 21:15.07 | x_link | enouf: How do I message him? |
| 21:15.12 | x_link | him/her/it ;D |
| 21:15.13 | Amarande | Ciantic, you should first dist-upgrade to etch, then |
| 21:15.17 | enouf | x_link: se http://packages.debian.org/unstable/admin/linux-image-2.6.20-1-k7 |
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| 21:15.29 | enouf | !tell x_link about msg the bot |
| 21:15.29 | DawnLight | does ssh freeze when the line cuts off? shall i kill it or can i close it somehow? |
| 21:15.44 | Amarande | hmm, what factoid talks about upgrading from sarge? |
| 21:15.47 | Amarande | I cna't remember now |
| 21:15.49 | enouf | !gender |
| 21:15.50 | dpkg | I'm not sure |
| 21:16.32 | PerfDave | DawnLight: To kill an ssh connection from the client, use return ~ . |
| 21:16.54 | stljim | Hi everyone, I'm building a custom deb package (apache2) and I'm trying to figur out where to put startup the startup script so that when the package is installed it places the startup script in init.d and runs update-rc. I"ve been reading the "New Maintainers" Document and haven't found a good answer. |
| 21:16.54 | PerfDave | DawnLight: What do you mean by "the line cuts off" anyway? |
| 21:17.42 | DawnLight | the server shut down, perfDave |
| 21:17.47 | DawnLight | PerfDave |
| 21:18.25 | PerfDave | DawnLight: Which server? If the box you ssh'd into hsa gone down, your connection is lost. |
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| 21:19.17 | stljim | Ugh |
| 21:19.25 | DawnLight | of course. now the terminal i used to open ssh in doesn't respond, PerfDave |
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| 21:20.01 | thnee | where does smartctl -t long /dev/hda put its output? |
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| 21:26.02 | esaym | is there a package for "standard system" Just wondering what all the installer install.... |
| 21:26.06 | esaym | installs* |
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| 21:27.03 | abrotman_ | "standard" meaning what ? |
| 21:27.12 | abrotman_ | i bet my "standard" is different than yours |
| 21:27.18 | centrx | esaym all the packages are categorized into "Required", "Important", "Standard", "Optional" |
| 21:28.21 | esaym | abrotman_: I was referring to the "standard system" option from the installer.... |
| 21:28.22 | abrotman_ | base-install |
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| 21:28.57 | minerale | is it possible to create 'aliases' for certain users? |
| 21:29.12 | abrotman_ | what kind of aliases? for email? |
| 21:29.16 | esaym | so "standard system" just installs this: http://packages.debian.org/testing/debian-installer/base-installer |
| 21:29.22 | minerale | ie at work I have a different username, at school a different username, I'd like to be able to scp stuff without having to put minerale@myhost |
| 21:29.34 | minerale | abrotman_: for users, when used in ssh |
| 21:29.39 | abrotman_ | i saw |
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| 21:30.07 | grendal_prime | i need to mv several files and attach the current date to the new filename... |
| 21:30.55 | grendal_prime | mv /mydir/*.* /newdir/{date}.* ? something like that.. |
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| 21:32.31 | minerale | grendal_prime: export CURRDATE='01-02'; for i in *; mv $i $i-$CURRDATE (try it first) |
| 21:32.55 | minerale | not sure how to easily obtain a formatted date |
| 21:34.00 | jelly | minerale: use .ssh/config to set User settings for each host |
| 21:34.14 | minerale | jelly: which user setting ? |
| 21:34.21 | wintix | minerale: date +%Y-%m-%d_%H:%I |
| 21:34.35 | jelly | minerale: man ssh_config I guess |
| 21:34.49 | minerale | jelly: you mean, on the client or the server? |
| 21:34.58 | jelly | minerale: on the client. |
| 21:35.14 | jelly | minerale: Host some.host\n\tUser foo |
| 21:35.16 | rainman | hi all. I tried streaming analog tv with vlc on smp pc... first cpu is usage on 100% but second only on 30%... is possible used idle second cpu too? i use debian 4.0. thanks a lot |
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| 21:35.56 | wintix | rainman: for streaming tv over a lan, have a look at vrd and it's streamdev plugin. |
| 21:36.05 | jelly | minerale: then ssh (or scp) uses foo@some.host when you ssh/scp to plain some.host |
| 21:36.15 | abrotman | rainman: only if the app is threaded |
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| 21:37.25 | wintix | rainman:sorry, meant vdr. |
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| 21:38.04 | rainman | wintix, it's better as vlc? |
| 21:38.41 | rainman | abrotman, how can I check if vlc is threaded? |
| 21:38.46 | abrotman | i doubt it is |
| 21:38.49 | ustunozgur | vlc is multi-threaded. |
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| 21:39.10 | wintix | rainman: well. it's designed to stream tv (sat or analoge) over lan. it even has a really cool webinterface that lets you record stuff. |
| 21:39.18 | abrotman | okay .. then ask #vlc to find out :) |
| 21:39.33 | minerale | grendal_prime: for i in *; mv $i $i-`date +%Y-%m-%d_%H_%I` (thanks to wintix for the date thing) |
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| 21:39.47 | ustunozgur | rainman: or you can use the VLC forums |
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| 21:40.53 | rainman | and is some utility to allocate cpu time on concrete cpu? |
| 21:41.15 | stljim | WHY DOES DEBIAN MAKE IT SO FING HARD TO MAKE A PACKAGE??????????????????????? |
| 21:41.24 | jetscreamer | !search |
| 21:41.24 | dpkg | it has been said that search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see ... |
| 21:41.29 | wintix | stljim: don't use caps. |
| 21:41.34 | h3xis | stljim what package? |
| 21:41.41 | abrotman | jetscreamer: make .. not search |
| 21:41.43 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 21:41.43 | dpkg | mentors is probably Please /msg dpkg mg and/or try http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ and/or try #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, or http://mentors.debian.net/ |
| 21:41.49 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 21:41.58 | jetscreamer | !pal me |
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| 21:43.27 | minerale | grendal_prime: oh, and if you would like to keep the extension (ie foo.txt foo-01-21.txt) use: for i in *; mv $i ${i/.txt/}-`date +%Y-%m-%d_%H_%I`.txt |
| 21:43.28 | xand | stljim: it's not hard |
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| 21:43.50 | grendal_prime | ok minerale im sorry..im somewhat new to bash so where exactly would i put in the paths there... for i in /sorcedir/*; mv $i $i-`date +%Y-%m-%d_%H_%I` |
| 21:44.02 | pingouin | where can i find which jmicron chipset is supported in the default debian/Etch kernel at installation ? (2.6.18.x i dont remember the number) please ? |
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| 21:45.40 | stljim | Hehe.. I'm trying to build a custom apache2 package.. So I have the apache2 source unTARed, I renamed the dir to httpd-2.2.4-jimm, cd into the source dir, run dh_make -s e- jimm@simutronics.com -n in the I've figured out the init.d stuff in debian directory. I've modified the rules file to ./configure what I need. I even have the conffiles for httpd.conf .. now when -buildpackage -rfakeroot I get the error "there is no digit in jimm |
| 21:46.32 | stew | stljim: why are you making your own apache packages instead of using debians? |
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| 21:48.30 | stljim | ::sigh:: .. sorry I asked.. I'll figure it out |
| 21:48.45 | stew | stljim: make yours 2.2.4-jimm0 |
| 21:49.21 | stew | stljim: but, in reality, you'd do much better to start with debian's packages |
| 21:49.55 | minerale | grendal_prime: cd into the folder where the source is, and then: for i in *.txt; mv $i /destdir/${i/.txt/}-`date +%Y-%m-%d_%H_%I`.txt |
| 21:49.56 | Jaszbo | Hi room. I have a Debian based distro called 64 studio. Ineed to set up GRUB to boot Fedora on hda. Can anyone help me? |
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| 21:50.14 | asarch | Jaszbo: Fedora? |
| 21:50.27 | asarch | Jaszbo: Just try "/msg dpkg grub" here |
| 21:50.33 | Jaszbo | Yes. should I be in the Fedora room? |
| 21:50.40 | asarch | Jaszbo: Maybe |
| 21:50.48 | Jaszbo | OK> Thanks. |
| 21:50.54 | asarch | But this channel has an excelente bot |
| 21:50.57 | asarch | Just try |
| 21:51.05 | asarch | ...it |
| 21:51.10 | Jaszbo | ok thanks, asarch |
| 21:51.14 | asarch | grub |
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| 21:52.35 | grendal_prime | minerale: this is a script that is going to run at system boot rc.local |
| 21:52.54 | gn00b- | this is my first debian installation. it's asking me if i want to continue installing libc-client without maildir support. should i ??? |
| 21:53.29 | minerale | grendal_prime: just add a line: cd /sourcefolder previous to the move |
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| 21:54.07 | Przemcio78 | does anyone here use sid on a desktop system? |
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| 21:54.17 | grendal_prime | hmm k ill try that |
| 21:54.21 | wintix | Przemcio78: some do. ask your real question. |
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| 21:54.47 | PietroGiovanni | hello all |
| 21:55.20 | Przemcio78 | winitix: i'm curious if sid is good for desktop |
| 21:55.32 | stew | Przemcio78: its not |
| 21:55.39 | sepski | !sid |
| 21:55.39 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 21:55.42 | sepski | goodnight ! |
| 21:56.22 | bws42 | you're better off using unstable |
| 21:56.41 | wintix | bws42: don't recommend unstable. |
| 21:56.42 | irule | what sources should I use to install mysql/php/apache on a sarge server?? I need to recreate a server because the raw MYSQL data copy frmo that to an etch did not work |
| 21:56.42 | bws42 | err I mean testing |
| 21:56.45 | Ronin | bws42: umm sid is unstable heh |
| 21:56.58 | Ronin | heck etch makes a good desktop too |
| 21:57.12 | Przemcio78 | imho, debian etch isn't good for desktop, unless you really don't care about fresh packages |
| 21:57.23 | stew | irule: the same sources you are using for etch but replace "etch" with "sarge" |
| 21:57.30 | centrx | it's fine for desktops |
| 21:57.35 | stew | irule: what do you mean "mysql data copy"? |
| 21:57.40 | Ronin | Przemcio78: ya its what all of 2 months old now |
| 21:57.42 | centrx | it is not fine for having the newest packages |
| 21:57.50 | JoelyWoely | sid's just fine on this desktop... never had any sort of stability problems or anything |
| 21:57.55 | Przemcio78 | i've heard sid is more stable than many officially stable distros |
| 21:58.02 | JoelyWoely | a broken package or two once in a while, but not enough to cause any problems |
| 21:58.03 | stew | Przemcio78: its not, it changes every day |
| 21:58.26 | Przemcio78 | stew, like gentoo or arch, they change every day too |
| 21:58.35 | wintix | Przemcio78: it tends to break every now and then. only use it if you really know what you are doing. |
| 21:58.41 | Przemcio78 | but they are branded stable |
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| 21:58.58 | wintix | Przemcio78: maybe use testing. it's a bit stable than sid |
| 21:59.03 | irule | stew 'scp -r sarge-backup-dir:/var/lib/mysql etch-server/var/lib' |
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| 21:59.31 | stew | irule: oh why not just upgrade mysql in place and let it handle the table migration? |
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| 21:59.37 | Przemcio78 | wintix: which one you use? |
| 21:59.51 | stew | irule: and what kernel were you running with mysql5? |
| 22:00.03 | wintix | Przemcio78: my server has etch and my desktop has unstable. but i know my way around well enough to make it work again if it breaks :) |
| 22:00.05 | irule | 2.6 |
| 22:00.07 | stljim | Thanks Stew. That worked, thanks for the suggestion. What's odd is I built a .deb earler and it didnt' complain about a 'jimm' not having a digit. I realize using a prebuilt package would probably be easier. But I have specific requirements .. like having just about everything disabled. ;) .. I am still have trouble with the conffile, I should be able to find an answer on how that works somewhere |
| 22:00.21 | whitebread | anyone know how i can change eterm's default font? |
| 22:00.33 | asarch | In .Xresources |
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| 22:00.58 | asarch | whitebread: Just add "eterm.font: 9x15" or the desirable font name |
| 22:01.16 | Przemcio78 | wintix: i've been using arch & gentoo and had to cope with a few breaks as well,that's why i'm not afraid of sid :) |
| 22:01.20 | melkart | after running "alsaconf", the system prints out the error message "Yamaha OPL3-SA Soundcard not found or device busy" forever in all shells at the console simultaneously. how can i fix this? |
| 22:01.31 | Dave_is_sex1 | can debian see a 500gb usb 2.0 HDD? Win2k apparently cannot |
| 22:01.35 | irule | stew Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed! |
| 22:01.40 | wintix | Dave_is_sex1: it can. |
| 22:01.53 | whitebread | how do i copy something from eterm? |
| 22:01.55 | Dave_is_sex1 | :D |
| 22:02.00 | Przemcio78 | wintix: besides, i used ubuntu so i have some (basic) knowledge of debian :) |
| 22:02.00 | Dave_is_sex1 | cheers |
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| 22:02.13 | wintix | Przemcio78: well. ubuntu isn't debian. so watch out. |
| 22:02.57 | stew | irule: find out why it failed ; you might try just running "mysqld" on the command line and see what error message comes out |
| 22:02.58 | whitebread | asarch: it looks like i don't have .xresources |
| 22:03.01 | wintix | Przemcio78: i would suggest you run etch or testing and just backport the needed newer stuff |
| 22:03.27 | Przemcio78 | wintix; i think you're right |
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| 22:03.48 | Przemcio78 | wintix: but you use sid yourself :P |
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| 22:04.28 | Przemcio78 | wintix: how long have you been using debian? |
| 22:04.30 | stew | Przemcio78: the general advice about running unstable here is: /msg dpkg iyhtays |
| 22:04.41 | wintix | Przemcio78: about 5 years now |
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| 22:05.13 | asarch | whitebread: Just add |
| 22:05.21 | killux | is there a way with apt to remove everything including the config files? Because apt-get remove (package) doesnt remove everything |
| 22:05.29 | asarch | whitebread: vim $HOME/.Xresources, add the line |
| 22:05.30 | Przemcio78 | i've been using it for about 5 days now :D |
| 22:05.38 | asarch | whitebread: And restart the X server |
| 22:05.38 | stew | killux: purge the package instead of just removing |
| 22:05.40 | Dave_is_sex1 | wintix: ..can it boot off that HDD? |
| 22:05.41 | wintix | killux: apt-get remove --purge packagename |
| 22:05.49 | killux | thatnks |
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| 22:05.53 | killux | *thanks |
| 22:06.04 | Przemcio78 | i had some xorg-related problem in sid but already managed to solve it :) |
| 22:06.10 | killux | and with apt, lets say i just remove the package, and then reinstall it |
| 22:06.15 | killux | will it reset all the config files? |
| 22:06.24 | wintix | Dave_is_sex1: depends if your bios can boot from usb. you also need to modify grub and fstab on the usb-hdd-linux |
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| 22:06.46 | ustunozgur | Przemcio78: maybe sid is better for learning to solve problems. |
| 22:07.05 | killux | so will apt-get remove apache |
| 22:07.14 | killux | and then apt-get remove --purge apache |
| 22:07.18 | killux | still get rid of everything? |
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| 22:07.19 | Przemcio78 | ustunozgur: i think you're right |
| 22:07.19 | wintix | ustunozgur: sometimes things really break badly. |
| 22:07.22 | Dave_is_sex1 | wintix: hmm. i'm sure that's not too hard. I have an unrelated question now... |
| 22:07.36 | wintix | Dave_is_sex1: ask the whole channel then |
| 22:07.38 | ustunozgur | how about dual-boot? |
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| 22:07.52 | Przemcio78 | wintix: but how to switch back to lenny? |
| 22:08.01 | wintix | Przemcio78: you can't |
| 22:08.05 | Przemcio78 | you see |
| 22:08.07 | whitebread | asarch: thanks |
| 22:08.08 | Przemcio78 | :P |
| 22:08.12 | Ronin | Przemcio78: once you go theres only one way back |
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| 22:08.17 | asarch | whitebread: Good luck |
| 22:08.55 | killux | wintix: ^^ |
| 22:09.05 | Przemcio78 | if it breaks really badly then i reinstall it and dist-upgrade to testing |
| 22:09.15 | Dave_is_sex1 | the fonts in my DE are anti-aliased, and big. Even in wine, the windows like fonts are weird. I like the tiny little square fonts of windows, with out any beautification. how do it do it in... well any DE, they all seem the same? |
| 22:09.24 | wintix | killux: apt-get remove --purge packagename will remove and purge it. |
| 22:10.34 | x_link | Is there no 2.6.20-3-k7 for Testing or what? |
| 22:11.05 | Ronin | Przemcio78: or learn how to fix it, may i strongly suggest starting with etch? or maybe at "worst" lenny |
| 22:13.07 | Przemcio78 | Ronin: at the moment debian isn't the 'main' system on my computer, that's why i feel free to experiment a bit |
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| 22:13.37 | ustunozgur | Przemcio78: you might consider using virtual machines too. so that you can just copy a file to backup a system. |
| 22:13.41 | Przemcio78 | actually a week ago i didn't even intend to install debian |
| 22:15.14 | gn00b- | is there something that i should do right after a fresh installation? |
| 22:15.42 | Ronin | gn00b-: enjoy it :) |
| 22:15.57 | ustunozgur | gn00b: update. |
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| 22:16.17 | MrTelephone | how do you do a purge of all deinstalled packages? |
| 22:16.21 | stew | gn00b-: add the new machine to your backup system |
| 22:16.25 | MrTelephone | without doing each one one at a time |
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| 22:16.31 | realniko | the only way to get the directory /lib/module/(kernel version)/build is to compile the kernel ?? |
| 22:16.48 | Przemcio78 | i never had debian, this was a spontaneous decision, i installed it and so far i like it very much, if it breaks completely i know it won't be debian's fault but mine, i'm aware of it |
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| 22:17.30 | ustunozgur | also download knoppix just in case. |
| 22:17.33 | stew | MrTelephone: dpkg -l | awk '/^.c/{print $2}' | xargs aptitude purge |
| 22:17.52 | stew | realniko: or install the linux-headers package corresponding to that kernel |
| 22:18.02 | Przemcio78 | knoppix? what for? |
| 22:18.13 | realniko | ok thank you stew |
| 22:18.18 | ustunozgur | Just in case the system doesn't boot up or so. |
| 22:18.18 | Ronin | Przemcio78: in case shite happens |
| 22:18.20 | MrTelephone | so there is simple command like dpkg --remove --pending-uninstall something |
| 22:18.25 | h3sp4wn | MrTelephone: or aptitude purge \~c |
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| 22:18.49 | Przemcio78 | how knoppix can help me in such a case? |
| 22:19.01 | _diz | investigating |
| 22:19.15 | Ronin | saving data etc. |
| 22:19.29 | Ronin | heck i use it to save users crap on windows machines |
| 22:20.02 | Przemcio78 | Ronin: i've got gentoo on another partition |
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| 22:20.13 | Peacimowen | knoppix can boot up your computer into a linux environment from CD and allow you to access whatever was on the computer itself. |
| 22:20.25 | Peacimowen | fix things, etc.. |
| 22:20.28 | Przemcio78 | and a few livecds |
| 22:20.38 | Ronin | fair enough |
| 22:21.07 | ustunozgur | the first thing I do is to install tango-theme :) |
| 22:21.10 | stew | Przemcio78: knoppix doesn't do anything special over another livecd |
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| 22:21.55 | gn00b- | gnome has frozen twice on me already and this is a brand new installation. what may be wrong? |
| 22:22.15 | Przemcio78 | stew: i think ubuntu wouldn't be less helpful than knoppix |
| 22:22.37 | whitebread | asarch: didn't work for some reason |
| 22:23.38 | wintix | gn00b-: does just gnome freeze? can you still switch to a text console? (STRG+ALT+F[1-6]? does killing the x-server work? (STRG+ALT+BACKSPACE) can you ssh into the machine if it hangs? |
| 22:24.13 | whitebread | strg = control? |
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| 22:24.23 | wintix | whitebread: yes. |
| 22:24.29 | ustunozgur | gn00b-: btw STRG=CTRL |
| 22:24.29 | esaym | Man I still can't get my CRT monitor to shut off. Here is my conf: http://www.lindsay.ath.cx/stuff/xorg.conf |
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| 22:24.38 | gn00b- | can't switch. only mouse moves |
| 22:25.02 | irule | where can I see the version of a server? |
| 22:25.09 | wintix | irule: of what server? |
| 22:25.18 | gn00b- | not sure about ssh |
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| 22:25.36 | irule | if a running linux is sarge or etch |
| 22:25.37 | esaym | maybe I will change offtime to standbytime? |
| 22:25.45 | wintix | irule: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 22:25.49 | irule | thanks |
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| 22:28.22 | whitebread | anyone know how to change eterm's font? |
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| 22:31.01 | Mazingaro | please is there anyone using an old s400? I got a dead printhead :( |
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| 22:32.27 | mnguyen | Hey, how come X11 can't show 32bit colors? |
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| 22:34.01 | kombi | how does one untar a .tgz again? |
| 22:34.21 | wintix | kombi: tar -xvzf file.tgz |
| 22:34.55 | wintix | kombi: -xvjf for .tar.bz2 |
| 22:34.55 | Dave_is_sex1 | mnguyen: actually there's no such thing as 32 bit colour. Not as you would think of it anyway. Look it up. 32 bit colour is just 24 bit + |
| 22:35.01 | kombi | that was for tar.gz and tar.bz2 I though.. |
| 22:35.03 | kombi | t.. |
| 22:35.12 | wintix | kombi: tgz * tar.gz |
| 22:35.28 | wintix | s/*/=/ |
| 22:35.37 | kombi | I see..;) |
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| 22:38.22 | DawnLight | can someone look at this, i am scared to shits. can i reboot? http://pastebin.ca/476183 |
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| 22:39.41 | centrx | heh |
| 22:40.03 | rhalff | DawnLight: no pretty common |
| 22:40.06 | Madsy | After installing the base-install, and prior to launching the aptitude interface, apt fetched a newer kernel (I think). I get a warning messages that apt tries to overwrite my current kernel image. |
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| 22:40.13 | rhalff | I mean, yes you can reboot :) |
| 22:40.15 | Madsy | Is it safe to do so? |
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| 22:40.37 | Madsy | message* |
| 22:40.38 | wintix | DawnLight: reboot :) |
| 22:40.38 | centrx | both of you can reboot |
| 22:40.51 | wintix | :D |
| 22:40.55 | wintix | Madsy: yes. |
| 22:41.00 | Madsy | thanks |
| 22:41.11 | Madsy | I don't want to mess with grub manually :) |
| 22:41.14 | DawnLight | nice |
| 22:41.24 | centrx | only one will survive |
| 22:41.32 | wintix | heh |
| 22:41.42 | wintix | let's see who comes back, centrx, eh? ;) |
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| 22:42.13 | rhalff | Probably DawnLight asked because he has to reboot a server |
| 22:42.29 | rhalff | who is scared to shit by rebooting a desktop :) |
| 22:42.32 | wintix | rhalff: yes. and he is all set to reboot. |
| 22:42.58 | wintix | rhalff: well. if you want to hear music.. |
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| 22:43.08 | rhalff | ah yes |
| 22:43.11 | wintix | :) |
| 22:43.43 | Madsy | Also, I wonder if there is a virtual package that includes everything I need for XFree86 or X.org, just without the window manager. |
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| 22:43.59 | wintix | Madsy: x-window-system |
| 22:44.08 | Madsy | Thanks again. |
| 22:44.15 | doschdn | hi.. is it possible to add ppp interfaces to a bridge somehow? |
| 22:44.59 | DawnLight | why ins't beryl anywhere in the repos? isn't it enormously popular? is there something wrong with it? |
| 22:45.31 | kth``laptop | DawnLight; http://debian.beryl-project.org/ |
| 22:46.04 | wintix | DawnLight: /msg dpkg beryl |
| 22:46.15 | kth``laptop | iirc it has license problems or some such |
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| 22:47.00 | wintix | kth``laptop: afaik it's just to young to release something stable enough to get included in debian |
| 22:47.00 | rhalff | hmz ubuntu installs it for you |
| 22:47.28 | rhalff | event detects if your card supports it and then turns it on |
| 22:47.32 | rhalff | even |
| 22:47.42 | wintix | rhalff: you realise you are in a debian channel? |
| 22:47.59 | rhalff | yes |
| 22:48.05 | wintix | rhalff: just checking.. :) |
| 22:48.33 | DawnLight | actually, its my friend's box i had to reboot. he keeps me fast-solving his problems by threatening me he'll format and install windows ever since i've migrated him to linux. i'm probebly the n00best debian admin ever but i am keeping him happy |
| 22:48.38 | DawnLight | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:49.12 | wintix | DawnLight: and you will learn by solving his problems :) |
| 22:49.29 | stoned | DawnLight: dude.. let him be then |
| 22:49.37 | stoned | people like that ... you know what fuck it |
| 22:50.01 | stoned | I would tell him to use windows and stfu personally |
| 22:50.25 | rhalff | hm but really isn't for ubuntu easier for windows switchers ? praising ubuntu is for 99% praising debian, so I don't see what's wrong with it. |
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| 22:50.53 | rhalff | or maybe I'm missing some vital info... |
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| 22:51.02 | stoned | no my point is if someone is going to act like a fucking cunt, then let him. If he wants to use windows and can't bother to learn linux himself then there is no need for him to use linux |
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| 22:51.16 | wintix | rhalff: ubuntu might be a better choice for windows migrants, yes. but still i recommend debian and help them until they can exist on their own :) |
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| 22:52.14 | DawnLight | he tells me that if i arrange him with a fully working linux box - he'll take it from there (with my help of course) |
| 22:52.27 | DawnLight | i can barely exist on my own |
| 22:52.33 | wintix | heh. |
| 22:52.39 | wintix | DawnLight: well. you have us ;) |
| 22:52.48 | stoned | no.. you have yourself and linux docs |
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| 22:52.50 | DawnLight | i am grateful |
| 22:52.51 | nn-x11-twm | hi all |
| 22:52.53 | stoned | we're not going to do yours or his work for you |
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| 22:53.09 | stoned | at least I'm not. if someone is willing to spoonfeed you then shame on both of you |
| 22:53.13 | DawnLight | stoned... we know why you hang out here... |
| 22:53.34 | wintix | stoned: that wasn't my point. i meant we will get him started in the right direction. |
| 22:53.40 | nn-x11-twm | gentoo is slow |
| 22:53.41 | stoned | wintix: of course |
| 22:54.05 | DawnLight | hey, i've already found myself helping some dudes |
| 22:54.14 | stoned | you want a cookie? |
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| 22:54.44 | DawnLight | i am accepting all cookies |
| 22:54.51 | wintix | ;) |
| 22:55.01 | tarzeau | DawnLight: me too! but chocolate cookies are my favourite |
| 22:55.08 | stoned | tarzeau: hey man whats up |
| 22:55.09 | *** part/#debian foo (n=foo@unaffiliated/foo) |
| 22:55.22 | stoned | tarzeau: dude I'm friggin pissed man |
| 22:55.22 | tarzeau | stoned: nothing? |
| 22:55.29 | Ankman | *mmmmmmm* chocolate |
| 22:55.31 | tarzeau | stoned: why's that? |
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| 22:55.36 | stoned | tarzeau: I finally got that shit working and before me that dude uploaded the packages to ftpmaster |
| 22:55.39 | stoned | :( |
| 22:55.43 | foo | How do I select the kernel I want to be booted up with grub? |
| 22:55.43 | tarzeau | stoned: smc? |
| 22:55.45 | DawnLight | :) |
| 22:55.47 | stoned | 2 fucking weeks of work just down the goddamn drain |
| 22:55.50 | stoned | tarzeau: yeh |
| 22:55.55 | tarzeau | stoned: that's why there are ITPs? |
| 22:56.07 | wintix | foo: modify /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 22:56.08 | stoned | yeh i didn't know about it at the time |
| 22:56.12 | tarzeau | stoned: there's a lot of other software to be packaged? |
| 22:56.13 | stoned | !itp |
| 22:56.13 | dpkg | i heard itp is Intent To Package |
| 22:56.36 | stoned | tarzeau: he'll never get the package in debian with the sounds of smc |
| 22:56.45 | stoned | there are 17 files which are copyrighted by another game |
| 22:56.46 | foo | wintix: Yeah, I know, but what do I do exactly :) |
| 22:56.46 | tarzeau | besides i'm not sure it'll get into debian, very high probably not if it's meant for main |
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| 22:56.51 | foo | wintix: hm, let me check the comments |
| 22:56.54 | karmatronic | hi there |
| 22:57.07 | wintix | foo: there is a default option. either feed it with a number or a name. |
| 22:57.08 | stoned | tarzeau: upstream is trying to find OSS sounds to use for the game |
| 22:57.14 | tarzeau | stoned: you could package bub-n-bros.sf.net :) |
| 22:57.15 | karmatronic | gnome shortcuts wont work |
| 22:57.26 | abrotman | karmatronic: all of them ? |
| 22:57.31 | karmatronic | yep |
| 22:57.38 | stoned | tarzeau: I'm not looking to be a package maintainer to get my name out or feel special |
| 22:57.39 | abrotman | karmatronic: errors ? |
| 22:57.42 | karmatronic | well alt tab does work |
| 22:57.45 | karmatronic | no errors |
| 22:57.47 | stoned | tarzeau: the only reason I wanted to do this was because I loved that game |
| 22:57.55 | abrotman | oh .. i thought you meant program shortcuts .. not keyboard shortcuts |
| 22:57.56 | stoned | tarzeau: it was more of a sentimental thing than anything else |
| 22:58.02 | tarzeau | stoned: maybe you'll love bub-n-bros.sf.net too? |
| 22:58.24 | abrotman | karmatronic: did you check to see if they're still defined ? |
| 22:58.24 | karmatronic | actually im using nautilus and not metacity |
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| 22:58.24 | foo | wintix: ah, thanks. |
| 22:58.37 | lontra | bub-n-bros is awesome :) |
| 22:58.43 | tarzeau | lontra: package it! |
| 22:58.52 | lontra | tarzeau: i thought someone else already was ... |
| 22:58.59 | tarzeau | lontra: nope, will you? |
| 22:59.07 | stoned | screw bubble bobble shit man |
| 22:59.12 | stoned | I only wanted to package smc |
| 22:59.13 | tarzeau | lontra: just because there is an RFP/ITP doesn't mean you can't package it |
| 22:59.20 | abrotman | lontra: tarzeau won't do it because it's python |
| 22:59.27 | tarzeau | abrotman: that's right |
| 22:59.30 | abrotman | he's scared |
| 22:59.34 | lontra | he he |
| 22:59.34 | tarzeau | abrotman: no i'm not |
| 22:59.46 | karmatronic | abrotman: actually im wrong , what doesnt work is assigning print key |
| 22:59.50 | abrotman | tarzeau: you are |
| 22:59.52 | stoned | i thought i had *abrotman* -regex ignored |
| 22:59.52 | karmatronic | and shortcuts in beryl |
| 23:00.02 | stoned | hmm |
| 23:00.05 | abrotman | karmatronic: is something intercepting them ? |
| 23:00.11 | abrotman | tarzeau: wussy! |
| 23:00.14 | tarzeau | lontra: can you package it? |
| 23:00.19 | foo | wintix: heh, thanks, /me should have looked a little harder |
| 23:00.24 | pingouin | is it possible, while installing debian from an usb key, to put a 'build by myself' kernel ? |
| 23:00.32 | wintix | foo: no problem. |
| 23:00.41 | lontra | tarzeau: i could try ... why can't you? i know that you know how to make packages ... |
| 23:00.44 | stew | pingouin: /msg dpkg custom d-i |
| 23:00.48 | abrotman | lontra: tarzeau is scared of python |
| 23:00.58 | lontra | ha ha |
| 23:01.01 | tarzeau | abrotman: i murder and eat pythons in nethack |
| 23:01.10 | abrotman | tarzeau: but you can't package them :) |
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| 23:01.22 | tarzeau | abrotman: sure i can, with a blessed +1 tinning kit |
| 23:01.30 | pingouin | stew: thanks, but dpkg neverworked for me, can you tell it to tell me ? ;) please |
| 23:01.49 | AaronMT | Hi, I just installed etch, how can I add the wireless network manager to detect my laptops wireless device |
| 23:01.56 | abrotman | tarzeau: bet you can't |
| 23:02.05 | wintix | AaronMT: what chipset do you have? |
| 23:02.07 | AaronMT | I know I have to use ndiswrapper |
| 23:02.26 | tarzeau | abrotman: man i'm working on www.mtp-target.org already |
| 23:02.31 | abrotman | wussy |
| 23:02.32 | pingouin | !tell pingouin custom d-i |
| 23:02.34 | karmatronic | AaronMT: what s your laptop model ? |
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| 23:02.39 | AaronMT | Dell Inspiron 1501 |
| 23:02.41 | abrotman | !tell pingouin about custom -di |
| 23:02.46 | abrotman | !tell pingouin about custom d-i |
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| 23:02.53 | wintix | pingouin: /msg dpkg custom d-i |
| 23:03.00 | pingouin | cool, thanks abrotman wintix |
| 23:03.01 | tarzeau | lontra: ok, let's make a deal you do http://kiki.sf.net and i do bub-n-bros? |
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| 23:03.24 | abrotman | lontra: don't do it .. tarzeau will never package bub-n-bros |
| 23:03.52 | lontra | tarzeau: you've been talking about packaging bub-n-bros for at least 1.5 years :) |
| 23:03.58 | tarzeau | lontra: that's not true |
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| 23:04.14 | karmatronic | AaronMT: yep , seems like ndiswrapper will be needed |
| 23:04.22 | lontra | tarzeau: i remember playing bub-n-bros with you when i was living in edmonton in the spring last year ... so maybe 1 year |
| 23:04.22 | tarzeau | lontra: find me a sponsor and you'll get the package |
| 23:04.30 | gn00b- | i can get internet access while in cli but not in gui. wtf??? this is a new installation |
| 23:04.32 | Amarande | hmm, apparently Window Maker uses like Adriana Sklenarikova, Daniela Pestova, Gisele Bundchen, Heather Kozar, Laetitia Casta, Linda Garota, Nicole Neumann, and Shakira. |
| 23:04.35 | tarzeau | lontra: i never said i package it |
| 23:04.40 | lontra | tarzeau: :) |
| 23:04.41 | Amarande | *users |
| 23:04.43 | lontra | tarzeau: that's true |
| 23:04.54 | karmatronic | AaronMT: do you speak french? |
| 23:04.57 | tarzeau | lontra: and i bet i kicked your ass with bubbles and ate all fruits away from you |
| 23:04.57 | wintix | ok. now i'm scared. my server always refused to boot a xen kernel. after installing a new 2.6.21 kernel it didn't boot the new kernel. it booted the xen ekrnel. wtf. |
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| 23:05.07 | lontra | tarzeau: you SO kicked my ass |
| 23:05.09 | AaronMT | What do I have to do to get nm-applet working with wireless? |
| 23:05.10 | AaronMT | no no French |
| 23:05.23 | tarzeau | lontra: wanna play again? #bub-n-bros |
| 23:05.33 | lontra | tarzeau: now? or later? |
| 23:05.37 | karmatronic | AaronMT: first you have to get the kernel recognize your device |
| 23:05.38 | tarzeau | lontra: right now |
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| 23:05.49 | karmatronic | AaronMT: only then can you use nm applet |
| 23:06.06 | karmatronic | AaronMT: so try that |
| 23:06.17 | AaronMT | iwlist scanning - yeah no output just yet |
| 23:06.21 | karmatronic | AaronMT: wget http://ftp.us.dell.com/network/R140747.EXE |
| 23:06.47 | Amarande | it's amazing how much you can learn about linux users through popcon |
| 23:08.14 | realniko | which is the packet to install in order to get function man pages about kernel like printk for example ? |
| 23:08.31 | tarzeau | abrotman: join? deepirc.net:5322 please bub-n-bros.sf.net |
| 23:08.42 | abrotman | ah no |
| 23:08.55 | Amarande | ok, if I understand this right |
| 23:09.06 | Amarande | popcon only keeps track of what programs you ran lately, not exactly when or what command lines? |
| 23:09.40 | RichiH | Amarande: not even that |
| 23:09.42 | karmatronic | abrotman: i ll change the question to beryl shortcuts dont do anything :) |
| 23:09.52 | RichiH | Amarande: it will only submit what programs you install |
| 23:10.08 | abrotman | karmatronic: beryl isn't in debian .. problem solved! |
| 23:10.10 | karmatronic | AaronMT: so ? |
| 23:10.42 | AaronMT | Yeah I know i compiled ndiswrapper nad installed it |
| 23:10.43 | stoned | tarzeau: I emailed Mr. Khatib asking him to let me maintain or co maintain SMC. I just hope the guy isn't a dick about it. |
| 23:10.45 | karmatronic | abrotman: well...you got a point ... |
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| 23:10.54 | stoned | tarzeau: otherwise 2 months of my time will be a complete waste |
| 23:10.55 | dav__ | elo |
| 23:11.07 | stoned | will have been* |
| 23:11.15 | abrotman | karmatronic: i'm a right bastard :) |
| 23:11.18 | AaronMT | sudo ndiswrapper -i bcmwl5.inf |
| 23:11.18 | AaronMT | sudo ndiswrapper -l |
| 23:11.21 | dav__ | i m looking for a freeware to recover lost data from an SD card(from the camera) |
| 23:11.24 | AaronMT | sudo ndiswrapper -m |
| 23:11.24 | AaronMT | sudo modprobe ndiswrapper |
| 23:11.29 | dav__ | what shld i use ? |
| 23:11.30 | AaronMT | I reboot and it doesnt detect it still |
| 23:11.50 | dav__ | AaronMT, check with dmesg to see error messages |
| 23:12.01 | karmatronic | AaronMT: dmeg doesnt show anything after loading ndiswrapper ? |
| 23:12.10 | karmatronic | s/dmeg/dmesg |
| 23:12.17 | lontra | ha ha |
| 23:12.19 | dav__ | so noone ever used a recovery tool on linux ? |
| 23:12.21 | tarzeau | lontra: hehe |
| 23:12.30 | AaronMT | no errors, right clicking nm-applet still only says "Wired" |
| 23:13.06 | karmatronic | AaronMT: run iwconfig to see if device is detected ... |
| 23:13.34 | gn00b- | i can ping the gateway, the dsl modem, the router, the xp box, the nameservers, and yahoo while in cli. nothing that uses the internet works in gui |
| 23:14.09 | karmatronic | AaronMT: i mean are you sure wifi is working ? |
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| 23:14.29 | wintix | gn00b-: can you ping yahoo by hostname or only by ip? |
| 23:14.31 | AaronMT | I dont know if it is working |
| 23:15.42 | karmatronic | AaronMT: what does iwconfig tell you ? |
| 23:15.44 | tarzeau | dav__: yes i did |
| 23:15.55 | gn00b- | hostname |
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| 23:16.06 | yettenet | hi there... I'm experiencing the problem of AltGR not working |
| 23:16.12 | yettenet | Any suggestions on solving it? |
| 23:16.56 | dav__ | tarzeau, what did u use ? |
| 23:17.02 | gn00b- | i think its because i have 2 nics on this box. i need a connection manager. does anyone know the name of one? |
| 23:17.18 | tarzeau | dererk: to recover what? ms-sys? foremost? grub? depends... |
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| 23:17.48 | tarzeau | lontra: seen the popcorn i ate? |
| 23:17.48 | Amarande | AltGR? I'm still not sure what that key is for |
| 23:18.03 | dav__ | tarzeau, SD card erased by error on a photo camera |
| 23:18.27 | lontra | tarzeau: no i was away at a second .. |
| 23:18.28 | dav__ | tarzeau, i ever did it on windows but looking for a way with linux |
| 23:18.34 | tarzeau | dav__: should be easy to recover, gpart? |
| 23:18.39 | nikin | Amarande: AltGr is Ctrl+Alt |
| 23:18.43 | tarzeau | lontra: i ate all teh fruits :) LOL |
| 23:18.53 | dav__ | tarzeau, yes it was that on windows |
| 23:18.56 | h3sp4wn | Amarande: typing extra symbols (i.e µ) |
| 23:19.08 | stoned | tarzeau: 07:13 < muammar> Well, I do not have any problem if you want to co maintain smc with me |
| 23:19.13 | stoned | :) |
| 23:19.15 | Amarande | ahh, none of the keyboards I've used has had the Ctrl or Alt key marked to note that function |
| 23:19.19 | stoned | he is actually a very nice guy |
| 23:19.24 | tarzeau | stoned: great :) |
| 23:19.24 | Amarande | Including this Model M. :) |
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| 23:20.29 | nikin | bytheway i ame a noob on Debina.. but i like it... it has a bit differen philosophy than ubuntu had .. but it is nice :P |
| 23:20.38 | enyc | Amarande: hrrm im using IBM Model M here ;-) |
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| 23:20.55 | tarzeau | !debina |
| 23:20.56 | dpkg | it has been said that debina is debian when you're typing too fast, or see "debain" |
| 23:20.57 | yettenet | AltGR is the right Alt key |
| 23:20.59 | enyc | Amarande: but I only have about 5 of them and I tend to use the dvorak layout ... lol |
| 23:20.59 | Amarande | enyc: Clicky or non? |
| 23:20.59 | nikin | Amarande: Strg maybe? |
| 23:21.09 | enyc | Amarande: all clicky ;-) |
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| 23:21.16 | nikin | oh.. thats Ctrl.. sorry |
| 23:21.18 | Amarande | ahh, mine's the non clicky, which might actually even be louder |
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| 23:21.39 | hatter | omg. mondoarchive on etch installs linux-image-2.6.18-4-amd64 and makes it the default kernel |
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| 23:21.44 | enyc | Amarande: I have a model F (xt keyborad) but I havent made up the parkbd adapter yet! |
| 23:21.48 | Amarande | enyc, what's that vent in the bottom of the keyboard that looks like it should have a fan in it for? |
| 23:21.53 | nikin | enyc: how long did it take to get the feel of dvorak? |
| 23:22.19 | tarzeau | lontra: play little dragon! |
| 23:22.21 | enyc | Amarande: it was for a speaker in the original mouling I think... never seen a spaker fitted though |
| 23:22.35 | enyc | Amarande: maybe some terminal varieties have speaker fitted |
| 23:22.40 | enyc | Amarande: to beep |
| 23:22.42 | hatter | anyone here use mondoarchive ? |
| 23:22.45 | enyc | nikin: too long for some ;-) |
| 23:22.54 | enyc | nikin: depends how you learn ;-) |
| 23:23.12 | lontra | tarzeau: little dragon? |
| 23:23.16 | tarzeau | lontra: come on, the helicopter monsters are fun |
| 23:23.27 | tarzeau | lontra: yeah i ate more fruits, i'm bigger |
| 23:23.31 | enyc | nikin: theres no real doubt the layout itsely is better than qwerty ... but some people have trouble re-learning ... and trouble "being able to use both" ... but I now do manage both |
| 23:23.41 | lontra | tarzeau: i need to change my bubble button from the down arrow to space key ... do you know how? |
| 23:23.57 | tarzeau | lontra: down w/ mouse pick your dragon on the very right, select it again |
| 23:23.58 | enyc | nikin: good to reduce strain/mistakes .. not so much for speed in most cases I think |
| 23:24.12 | Madsy | Heh.. funky. I only have a sarge CD here. When chosing http as the source for packages, aptitude deletes my kernel image due to some weird dependancy issue. |
| 23:24.16 | lontra | tarzeau: thanks |
| 23:24.17 | nikin | enyc: i learn fast.. i think.. but i ame not sure that a kexb laxout has anxthing to do with learning an OS or programing... so i cant imagine how lon it will take for me. |
| 23:24.26 | tarzeau | lontra: get more bonus items ! |
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| 23:24.41 | Madsy | Perhaps it's wiser to install from the CD, and do a dist upgrade afterwards? |
| 23:24.44 | enyc | nikin: took me many months but I wasnt able to concentrate on it... kept doing lots of typing... was really hard for me! |
| 23:24.58 | wintix | Madsy: perhaps it's wiser to install etch? |
| 23:24.58 | nikin | enyc: i use windows and Linux both on everyday basis :D some keyboard cant scare me :D |
| 23:25.01 | enyc | nikin: and I kept muddling layouts... took me ages more to get the hang of being able to heal with both |
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| 23:25.10 | nikin | enyc: why you decided to use dvorak? |
| 23:25.26 | enyc | nikin: hrrm finger achoe mostly I think -) |
| 23:25.27 | Madsy | wintix: Yes, but I don't have a CD or DVD burner here. |
| 23:25.37 | enyc | nikin: there is a #dvorak channel ;-) ... this is the #debian channel ;-) |
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| 23:25.40 | omri | for people who type more than just one language using their keyboard, switching layout is a real pain |
| 23:25.42 | Madsy | So I have to upgrade from sarge, if possible :) |
| 23:26.09 | abrotman | if possible?! |
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| 23:26.18 | nikin | enyc: ok ok... :D just i never seen anyone using dvorak :D but back to topic then :D |
| 23:26.31 | Amarande | abrotman, apparently he ends up losing Linux and ending up with Debian/GNU without a kernel. :) |
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| 23:26.45 | Amarande | the amazing kernelless distro! |
| 23:26.54 | wintix | :D |
| 23:27.02 | DawnLight | omri: israel? |
| 23:27.09 | omri | yup |
| 23:27.11 | abrotman | Amarande: install the metapackage for th ekerne |
| 23:27.13 | abrotman | l |
| 23:27.27 | DawnLight | hello from kefar sava |
| 23:28.13 | omri | hello from netanya :P |
| 23:28.18 | DawnLight | omri - do you happen to use hebrew gui? |
| 23:28.20 | abrotman | hoo ? |
| 23:28.30 | omri | no; hate it since windows 98 |
| 23:28.43 | omri | that's why I don't use it on linux as well :) |
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| 23:28.57 | omri | too much new words to learn :) |
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| 23:30.01 | DawnLight | me neither. my mom does and there's some problems here and there. something with the "-" getting turned into a rectangle with some fonts |
| 23:30.50 | Amarande | DawnLight: rectangle means that character is not supported in that font |
| 23:30.53 | omri | hmm... well, I use hebrew fonts, just not hebrew localization |
| 23:31.04 | omri | yup, usually encoding problems |
| 23:31.22 | r0otz | omri: now i understand the chattr and lsattr =)))) |
| 23:31.33 | omri | r0otz, cool :P |
| 23:31.34 | r0otz | omri: not a professional but will someday hopefully haha =) |
| 23:31.40 | stoned | hey cool |
| 23:31.49 | stoned | python workshop tomorrow night at nylug |
| 23:31.53 | stoned | I might go |
| 23:32.01 | stoned | ummm |
| 23:32.02 | r0otz | stoned is the shit |
| 23:32.05 | stoned | okay... |
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| 23:32.33 | stoned | thanks I guess |
| 23:32.35 | stoned | :) |
| 23:33.18 | r0otz | train wreck babe =) |
| 23:33.23 | r0otz | pass that blunt stoned |
| 23:33.27 | stoned | who are you again? |
| 23:33.32 | stoned | do I know you? |
| 23:33.32 | r0otz | lemme get a lil wiffff of it |
| 23:33.35 | r0otz | na |
| 23:33.39 | r0otz | im a linux noob =) |
| 23:33.54 | stoned | potsmoking openly in #debian is offtopic |
| 23:34.06 | r0otz | haha is it reallY? |
| 23:34.12 | stoned | r0otz: you can always join me in #ganja on dal.net |
| 23:34.21 | r0otz | nnhaha |
| 23:34.25 | r0otz | nah man |
| 23:34.36 | r0otz | just wanted to possibly light up ur day a bit more then what it is =) |
| 23:34.44 | stoned | r0otz: thank you |
| 23:34.45 | abrotman | wtf |
| 23:34.52 | rahul | fftw |
| 23:34.57 | DawnLight | i've noticed #debian to have high topic variation tolerance |
| 23:35.06 | n3kl | Hi. Anyone know anything about sfs? I have set it up per the documentation on the site, I see no errors in the logs, but when I am on the client machine and I type sfskey login user@host and type my passphrase, the link in /sfs/ is pointing to something that does not seem to exist. Any ideas? |
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| 23:35.22 | r0otz | DawnLight: thats cuz u got ten thousand ppl in ehre |
| 23:35.22 | stoned | rahul: dude I'm gonna kick you in the nuts next time I see you |
| 23:35.23 | rahul | and by day I mean bowl |
| 23:35.24 | r0otz | and 0 ops |
| 23:35.25 | lontra | tarzeau: i have to get back to work |
| 23:35.27 | rahul | stoned: wtf |
| 23:35.30 | stoned | :( |
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| 23:35.49 | stoned | rahul: quit tellin me bou toking up man! I can't toke |
| 23:35.51 | tarzeau | lontra: k |
| 23:35.58 | lontra | tarzeau: maybe later? |
| 23:36.04 | r0otz | dude soon as i get off work toke is gonna be tokeing me =) |
| 23:36.05 | rahul | hahahahahahahaha |
| 23:36.09 | tarzeau | lontra: 1 am here, tomorrow again |
| 23:36.13 | stoned | rahul: msg |
| 23:36.18 | lontra | tarzeau: ok |
| 23:36.23 | r0otz | i remember rahul from somewhere |
| 23:36.30 | foo | hm, how can I control what's in the startup? I guess it's not chkconfig |
| 23:36.33 | r0otz | or was i just doo damn stoned hahaha |
| 23:36.48 | abrotman | r0otz: do you have a Debian question? |
| 23:36.48 | Vasistha | foo: probably /etc/rc*.d |
| 23:36.53 | omri | http://www.jewbuntu.org/ - heh :) |
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| 23:37.22 | DawnLight | omg jewbuntu |
| 23:37.24 | foo | Vanzetti: so go to /etc/rc2.d/ for 2nd runlevel ... and remove the files I don't want on startup ? |
| 23:37.25 | r0otz | abrotman: not at the moment, ? |
| 23:37.37 | Vanzetti | foo, ? |
| 23:37.47 | omri | DawnLight, :) |
| 23:38.00 | r0otz | abrotman, ? |
| 23:38.01 | r0otz | hihi |
| 23:38.08 | foo | Vanzetti: Can you elaborate. ? doesn't say much... |
| 23:38.32 | wintix | foo: Vanzetti != Vasistha |
| 23:38.47 | foo | ahhh, err, sorry, tab completion... didn't catch that. |
| 23:38.56 | foo | Vasistha: so go to /etc/rc2.d/ for 2nd runlevel ... and remove the files I don't want on startup ? |
| 23:38.59 | DawnLight | i'm not sure if temp1 is M/B or CPU. i want to physically test it... remotely. if i strain the cpu it's heat should increase quickly and only some time later the M/B, right? |
| 23:39.13 | Vanzetti | héhé |
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| 23:39.22 | wintix | DawnLight: yes. |
| 23:39.31 | keyhack | Is there a command-line config program that will allow me to easily configure firewall rules for my server? |
| 23:39.40 | abrotman | keyhack: vi ? |
| 23:39.45 | keyhack | abrotman: lol |
| 23:39.45 | DawnLight | whats a simple way to strain cpu? |
| 23:39.54 | abrotman | cpuburn .. which might kill it |
| 23:39.55 | keyhack | abrotman: I was hoping there was a GUI that would edit the file for me |
| 23:39.56 | Ronin | DawnLight: install windows ;) |
| 23:39.58 | wintix | DawnLight: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/null |
| 23:39.58 | omri | DawnLight, physically stop the CPU fan :] |
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| 23:40.06 | Ronin | keyhack: you said cmd line though |
| 23:40.07 | DawnLight | chill people |
| 23:40.11 | Vasistha | foo: that's basically how it works, yeah. Read the README, and if you like, you can use update-rc.d ... but I find it quicker/easier to just do the symlinks manually. I have a couple different runlevels set up for different configs that I boot |
| 23:40.18 | keyhack | Ronin: there are command line GUIs |
| 23:40.19 | abrotman | DawnLight: cpuburn .. which might kill it |
| 23:40.19 | omri | don't tell me to chill; tell your CPU to chill! |
| 23:40.36 | foo | Vasistha: I see. How can I tell what run time I am in again? I think it's 2. Just not too sure |
| 23:40.40 | abrotman | keyhack: apt-cache search iptables .. look for one |
| 23:40.49 | Ronin | DawnLight: cpuburn, or one of those seti like things, seti wont tell you much but it will certainly put the cpu through a workout |
| 23:40.57 | Vasistha | foo: 'runlevel' ... the default is named in /etc/inittab |
| 23:41.08 | foo | Vasistha: yup, thanks. |
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| 23:41.14 | abrotman | DawnLight: fair warning .. i killed a machine with cpuburn |
| 23:41.15 | Vasistha | omri: your fan suggestion won't work for me -- my fan doesn't run, most of the day ;) |
| 23:41.27 | foo | Vasistha: ah, so these are just symlinks. Nice. |
| 23:41.31 | omri | are you suicidal? ;) |
| 23:41.45 | abrotman | just lazy :) |
| 23:42.01 | Vasistha | omri: I've been running like this for several years, it's just a cool-running PII/333 |
| 23:42.10 | foo | Vasistha: hm, does this S##cron ... does the S## mean anything? |
| 23:42.11 | Amarande | Debian systems normally run in 2 |
| 23:42.32 | Amarande | 0, 1, and 6 are special; 3, 4, 5 are defined by default identically to 2 |
| 23:42.38 | DawnLight | temprature's risin'... |
| 23:42.39 | Vasistha | foo: yeah, S means 'start' (and K means 'kill') and things are started in that order |
| 23:42.41 | Amarande | 7, 8, and 9 are supported, but not set up in any known distro's inittab |
| 23:42.44 | foo | Amarande: yup. |
| 23:42.46 | foo | Vasistha: aha, thanks. |
| 23:42.50 | omri | Vasistha, there's this VIA cpu that runs without any fan; combine that with a fanless PSU and flashcard harddisk and you're good to go (to sleep) |
| 23:42.59 | DawnLight | 37C... |
| 23:43.02 | Vasistha | foo: the order is important for certain services |
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| 23:43.23 | DawnLight | 39! |
| 23:43.31 | omri | DawnLight, the motherboard temperature can also be increased, note that |
| 23:43.36 | foo | Vasistha: ah, ok. The readme is in there, mmhmm. ok, nice. |
| 23:43.40 | foo | Vasistha: thank you |
| 23:43.40 | Vasistha | DawnLight: that's pretty cool ... according to some acpi measurements I made the other day, I usually run at about 80C; I think the fan must come on at about 85C |
| 23:43.41 | Amarande | They made a wonderful keyboard ... |
| 23:43.45 | Amarande | ... and an annoying network standard |
| 23:44.03 | Amarande | I'd love to set up a few netvista thin clients in the rest of the house and have them boot off alviarin |
| 23:44.05 | omri | and another thing: the CPU temperature measurement is almost always incorrect; I'm talking about 10 degrees ~ |
| 23:44.11 | Amarande | but no, Token Ring is not for me ... :| |
| 23:44.22 | Vasistha | DawnLight: although those figures are infamously inaccurate... |
| 23:44.28 | foo | Vasistha: eh, this system only has apache.. I don't need inetd, do I? I know it's the internet daemon, and proftpd can be installed to work with it.. but I don't have anything like that |
| 23:44.53 | Amarande | apache is normally designed to run standalone, isn't it? |
| 23:44.59 | omri | hmm... how long has inetd been out fashioned? |
| 23:45.10 | Amarande | I use inetd to run ... identd |
| 23:45.13 | Amarande | that's pretty much it, lol |
| 23:45.18 | omri | use oidentd :P |
| 23:45.30 | Vasistha | foo: uhm, I dunno about that. I believe it's *possible* to completely uninstall inetd ... I think that's the approach you should probably take, rather than just turning it off |
| 23:45.31 | omri | I remember the telnet days with inetd |
| 23:45.40 | foo | Vasistha: ah, ok. |
| 23:45.40 | DawnLight | well... it seems like its CPU temprature because of the INSTANT increase/decrease |
| 23:46.10 | omri | DawnLight, probably; it will most likely raise to a number alot larger than the MB temp |
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| 23:46.28 | omri | a lot greater; that is |
| 23:47.02 | Vasistha | DawnLight: have you ever turned closed the car windows on a hot day and noticed how quickly it gets hot in the car? It's like instantaneous. And I'm talking about a car with broken a/c |
| 23:47.10 | Vasistha | s/turned// |
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| 23:48.33 | omri | Vasistha, you remind me of this one time where me and my friends were BBQing near the beach and this officer told us we can't light a fire there so either we got the hell out of there or he would fine us; we got the grill in the car and because it was almost lit my friend held it out of the window |
| 23:48.47 | omri | by the time we got to that other place to BBQ, the grill was totally lit :) |
| 23:48.48 | Vasistha | haha |
| 23:49.03 | omri | next time you're firing up a grill - take it to a little ride |
| 23:49.09 | omri | 70KM/h will do the trick :) |
| 23:49.25 | omri | that's about 40Mph |
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| 23:49.55 | Vasistha | it almost seems like it'd be worth bbqing something just to try that ... but I just don't like bbq |
| 23:50.06 | DawnLight | nice |
| 23:50.21 | omri | what the hell? :P you might just say you're vegetarian |
| 23:50.35 | Vasistha | well, I do say that sometimes, and I practice it always... |
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| 23:51.03 | Vasistha | bbq veggies are pretty worthless :P |
| 23:51.11 | DawnLight | i have vnc open here with a password set and i keep noticing attempts to get it. will anyone actually make it? |
| 23:51.16 | xand | lies |
| 23:51.20 | abrotman | Vasistha: you're doing it wrong |
| 23:51.27 | wintix | DawnLight: if you have a weak password. |
| 23:51.36 | xand | vegetarian bbqs are fine |
| 23:51.48 | omri | no they aren't :P |
| 23:51.56 | DawnLight | i also have ssh open |
| 23:52.02 | xand | omri: wrong |
| 23:52.03 | omri | what do they BBQ? some onions and tomatoes? :P |
| 23:52.14 | r0otz | haha |
| 23:52.17 | Vasistha | omri: actually... yes |
| 23:52.22 | omri | heh; lame :) |
| 23:52.23 | Vasistha | DawnLight: you're askin' for it... |
| 23:52.25 | r0otz | bbqd onions, come on up |
| 23:52.26 | omri | tjat |
| 23:52.27 | jelly | omri: we veggies take offence at your prejudices! |
| 23:52.28 | xand | no |
| 23:52.30 | jelly | :-D |
| 23:52.31 | omri | *that's not real food :P |
| 23:52.41 | Vasistha | jelly: what kind of jelly are you? :D |
| 23:52.43 | enouf | Q. what might be an simple way to view fonts available for Console (the .gz ones in /usr/share/consolefonts/)? . I treid "showfont -fn lat1-08.psf.gz" for ex and got back the error: can't open server "localhost:7100" |
| 23:52.45 | r0otz | hahah |
| 23:52.46 | xand | you can get burgers and sausages that are made ethically |
| 23:52.49 | omri | hey; where all these pro veggies got here from? :P |
| 23:52.51 | r0otz | hes the deadly jelly |
| 23:52.51 | Rich333 | Anyone know who I should blame for the cartoony bullshit that just replaced the default GNOME icons? Was it an upstream change, or do the debian maintainers just have absolutely no taste? They're just about the ugliest and most annoying icons I've ever seen. |
| 23:52.54 | DawnLight | its been telling me about attempts all throught the day. perhaps there's a bot running an attack? |
| 23:53.00 | jelly | omri: mushrooms are nice too :-) |
| 23:53.08 | abrotman | Rich333: change your gnome theme .. problem solved |
| 23:53.08 | r0otz | mmmm |
| 23:53.11 | r0otz | shrroomsss |
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| 23:53.19 | Techboy74 | Hi Everyone. I run an ISP and would like some advice on using Debian in a cluster - some best practices I guess |
| 23:53.27 | omri | jelly, nothing like a good piece of meat on the grill |
| 23:53.29 | r0otz | Rich333: yes yes rich abrotman is smart listen to him =) gnome theme |
| 23:53.29 | Rich333 | abrotman: I'd love to get back the ones I had, but they were overwritten by this crap |
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| 23:53.41 | r0otz | oh man |
| 23:53.42 | asarch | Hey guys, how can I add more effects to the gnome-screen-saver? |
| 23:53.44 | Vasistha | DawnLight: not unlikely ... someone finds an open port, they're bound to try to exploit it. don't get yourself rooted |
| 23:53.44 | abrotman | Rich333: use the theme selector ? |
| 23:53.52 | r0otz | good piece of meet.. jucy s teakkk grrr with bbq sauce =) |
| 23:53.52 | abrotman | Rich333: it should be there somewhere |
| 23:54.03 | Rich333 | I did... the old icons were overwritten |
| 23:54.18 | abrotman | Rich333: get the theme from art.gnome.org .. and put it in place .. i guess |
| 23:54.21 | wintix | Techboy74: /msg dpkg ask |
| 23:54.24 | jelly | omri: probably, but there's more to veggies than tomaters. There's eg. potaters :-) |
| 23:54.27 | abrotman | Rich333: alternately .. file a bug :) |
| 23:54.53 | omri | jelly, I personally cook some delicious potatoes :) |
| 23:55.03 | Techboy74 | Thanks wintix |
| 23:55.07 | omri | creamed with cheese :) |
| 23:55.10 | Peacimowen | You guys are making me hungry. |
| 23:55.11 | r0otz | mmm delicous potatoes with some ZERGUT cheese |
| 23:55.14 | r0otz | mmmm |
| 23:55.20 | r0otz | german cheese =) |
| 23:55.31 | jelly | omri: eggplants are very nice grilled |
| 23:55.31 | r0otz | unresistable hihihi =\) |
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| 23:55.38 | abrotman | Techboy74: what kind of cluster? |
| 23:55.39 | xand | jelly: aurbergines! |
| 23:55.42 | abrotman | !tell r0otz about enter |
| 23:55.47 | xand | -r |
| 23:55.47 | Techboy74 | All, what would be the best (and easiest) cluster/HA system to use with Debian for a 2 server radius/mail/dns service? |
| 23:55.59 | Vasistha | enouf: I'm not sure how it works, but you could check out defoma |
| 23:56.10 | jelly | xand: ain't that the same thing? |
| 23:56.13 | Techboy74 | abrotman something High availability |
| 23:56.17 | r0otz | abrotman: yes boss! im sorry boss |
| 23:56.17 | xand | it's the proper name ;) |
| 23:56.27 | jelly | xand: ah! |
| 23:56.56 | enouf | Vasistha: i even have kde remnants on here and can't seem to find a fontviewer ... lol .. and; $ man -k font | grep psf is of not much help even |
| 23:57.09 | amphi | xand: 'aubergines' actually ;) |
| 23:57.16 | omri | I'm in a mood for a good BBQ :P |
| 23:57.16 | xand | one made of pectin? |
| 23:57.22 | amphi | Vasistha: calf's-foot ;) |
| 23:57.25 | enouf | ponies |
| 23:57.28 | xand | amphi: I corrected the typo |
| 23:57.33 | jelly | !ponies |
| 23:57.33 | abrotman | Techboy74: if yo don't get a good answer here .. there's a debian-isp mailing list also |
| 23:57.39 | stew | Techboy74: read ultramonkey.org if you haven't yet |
| 23:57.53 | omri | the only thing good about veggie BBQ is the cleaning is easy :P |
| 23:57.55 | Techboy74 | abrotman - Thanks for the tip! I'll check ultramonkey |
| 23:58.07 | Vasistha | enouf: I seem to have a 'kfontview' in my path |
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| 23:58.40 | enouf | Vasistha: will try ..thanks ..sounds familiar |
| 23:59.32 | Vasistha | enouf: dunno if it works for textmode fonts :P the only time I ever remember seeing a selection of textmode fonts was in the sarge installer, although I'm sure dpkg-reconfigure could probably bring up that selector again, if I only knew what param to call it with |
