| 00:00.34 | Vasistha | guh, it's still almost 90 degrees out D: |
| 00:01.09 | Vasistha | if we didn't have this stupid daylight savings crap, it'd be cooler already! :P |
| 00:01.13 | xand | Vasistha: that's nearly boiling point ;) |
| 00:01.31 | Vasistha | 90 * fahrenheit = approx. 32.222222 oC |
| 00:03.29 | Vasistha | (for the dog) |
| 00:04.21 | eyeris | I am trying to run Savage on my amd64 install. ia32-libs installs all of the required libraries in /usr/lib32 except libcom_err.so.2. I've found reports of people running this game using the linux32 command under Fedora. Is there a way to get a ia32 libcom_err.so.2 installed in /usr/lib32 through apt? |
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| 00:04.52 | irule | can someone pastebin me the correct sources for sarge please? or some URL? current sources.list does not mention sarge anywhere inside |
| 00:05.04 | Eclipser | you probably don't want sarge |
| 00:05.10 | enouf | Vasistha: no bueno .. unsupported .. it took me all this time to rm my DCOP_SERVER_x_0x file, and rebuild kbuildsycoca: |
| 00:05.14 | eyeris | irule: does it mention "stable"? |
| 00:05.18 | lontra | eyeris: install apt-file and run apt-file update then run apt-file search <file name> |
| 00:05.22 | stew | irule: where it says "stable" or "etch" replace it with "sarge" |
| 00:05.35 | maddash | !list |
| 00:05.36 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to maddash |
| 00:05.38 | maddash | !mirror list |
| 00:05.38 | dpkg | i heard debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 00:06.28 | enouf | Vasistha: install configure-debian, and you won't ever have to guess again ;-) |
| 00:06.33 | maddash | hm, has anyone tried 2.6.21's "tickless" feature? does it do any good? |
| 00:06.58 | enouf | Vasistha: it's d-r fontconfig-config ;-P |
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| 00:07.14 | gravity | \o/ |
| 00:07.19 | gravity | enouf++ |
| 00:07.30 | enouf | ;-) |
| 00:07.44 | maddash | !enouf++ |
| 00:07.48 | gravity | I wonder if configure-debian is worth finishing |
| 00:07.49 | maddash | !karma enouf |
| 00:07.49 | dpkg | enouf has karma of 3 |
| 00:08.02 | enouf | Vasistha: configure-debian -l is a beauty |
| 00:08.17 | gravity | It's pretty well finished as it is, although I had much more grandiose ideas for it |
| 00:08.17 | eyeris | lontra, won't that command give me the amd64 copy of the lib? |
| 00:08.43 | Techboy74 | Does anyone here use debian in an ISP? |
| 00:09.00 | gravity | I'll probably update it for perl6 when it's finally released. |
| 00:09.09 | enouf | gravity: oh .. please do ;-) |
| 00:09.18 | eyeris | Techboy74, yes |
| 00:09.37 | Techboy74 | eyeris are you happy to answer a few questions about your setup etc? |
| 00:09.38 | gravity | perl6 looks totally hot, btw |
| 00:09.52 | gravity | I need some time to read the specs so I can whip out pugs and play |
| 00:09.53 | eyeris | Techboy74, sure |
| 00:10.14 | Techboy74 | eyeris how have you set up redundancy for your radius/mail/database servers? |
| 00:10.24 | enouf | gravity++ thank you for your work .. in all of your debian endeavors |
| 00:10.30 | gravity | enouf: My pleasure. |
| 00:10.38 | eyeris | Techboy74, We only use debian for our network monitoring server. |
| 00:10.38 | maddash | !gravity++ |
| 00:10.41 | gravity | It's nice to see configure-debian get a plug. I didn't think anyone remembered it |
| 00:10.45 | maddash | !karma gravity |
| 00:10.46 | dpkg | gravity has karma of 10 |
| 00:10.49 | maddash | whoa. |
| 00:10.50 | Techboy74 | eyeris - gotcha |
| 00:10.52 | gravity | Whoa, I have karma? |
| 00:11.17 | enouf | gravity: i acrually brought it up about a week ago .. there was some discussion about that, vs tab completion and such |
| 00:11.23 | gravity | enouf: Cool |
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| 00:11.41 | gravity | It's still a useful program, I think |
| 00:11.49 | enouf | extremely little handy tool |
| 00:11.53 | Techboy74 | eyeris thanks - I'm wanting to interrogate someone with debian running some ISP services |
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| 00:12.26 | enouf | as Einstein says "why bother remembering that which can easily be looked up in records/tables" ;-) |
| 00:12.51 | gravity | Yeah :-) |
| 00:13.06 | tuvwx | now this is strange. it seems i have an 'infected' dvd drive. if i read a udf dvd with it, the dvd breaks and doesn't work in any other drive anymore although it works before used in the infected drive. is there any logical explanation for that? |
| 00:13.37 | maddash | woohoo, tickless kernel |
| 00:13.50 | Vasistha | tuvwx: maybe the dvd drive motor is off-balance and is scratching the disc |
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| 00:13.58 | jelly | no more tickling the kernel? |
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| 00:14.19 | enouf | tuvwx: there's been some recent UDF limitations set in place .. but sahould affect redading |
| 00:14.22 | tuvwx | Vasistha, it's brand new, and had no problems with install media (mostly CDs) |
| 00:14.22 | enouf | reading |
| 00:14.29 | enouf | tuvwx: 1GB file size limit |
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| 00:15.09 | tuvwx | enouf, the same drive did burn a 4GB+ file on udf |
| 00:15.33 | enouf | tuvwx: it's a kernel thing ~ .20 |
| 00:15.44 | Vasistha | tuvwx: we're talking about a kernel issue, not a firmware thing |
| 00:16.01 | enouf | tuvwx: the lkml has info about it .. google udf limit 1gb |
| 00:16.07 | tuvwx | enouf, another usb drive plays the samd dvd until it's read in the infected drive |
| 00:16.20 | enouf | what kernels are you using? |
| 00:16.33 | tuvwx | enouf, i read abour write limits, are you saying this is a read limit? |
| 00:16.39 | enouf | tuvwx: besids, i'm just making a hunch .. it sould very well be hardware |
| 00:16.41 | tuvwx | enouf, debian's 2.6.18 |
| 00:16.57 | tuvwx | enouf, testing up-to-date |
| 00:17.00 | enouf | er s/sould/could |
| 00:17.08 | Vasistha | tuvwx: yeah, see, that's really weird --kinda like the "trouble in paradise" zip drive problem of some years ago, before we had usb flash |
| 00:17.16 | enouf | tuvwx: correct .. write limits, IIRC |
| 00:17.48 | enouf | tuvwx: is this RW media? |
| 00:17.56 | enouf | and if so + or - ? |
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| 00:19.12 | tuvwx | enouf, yeah.. it wasn't straightforward to get that file on the dvd. i had to use command-line genisoimage. not the burnt dvd works on two other drives. it works only on the infected drive, but any subsequent access fails |
| 00:19.18 | enouf | and does it continue to work in the 'infected' drive? |
| 00:19.23 | tuvwx | enouf, DVD-R |
| 00:19.37 | tuvwx | enouf, no, only the first time |
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| 00:20.37 | enouf | tuvwx: maybe see the #cdrkit mailing lists at lists.debian.org, report and Check the BTS |
| 00:20.43 | enouf | and/or |
| 00:20.45 | tuvwx | i have to say, the 'infected' drive is connected via pata to a jmicron controller |
| 00:20.53 | enouf | heh .. |
| 00:21.15 | enouf | shouldn't matter .. genisoimage and friends have been going through changes |
| 00:21.17 | tuvwx | though i installed debian using the etch cd1 (full) using that drive |
| 00:21.26 | enouf | tuvwx: try using growisofs |
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| 00:21.38 | enouf | not that it will matter, but worth a test |
| 00:21.56 | tuvwx | enouf, couldn't find out how to make a udf dvd using growisofs. i only create the image with genisoimage and burn it with growisofs |
| 00:22.15 | tuvwx | and the image works fine with mount -o loop -t udf |
| 00:23.24 | enouf | tuvwx: there's the channel too over in oftc.net called #cdrkit, but either send an email or ask, and wait in the channel ,not both please, and perhaps report a bug |
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| 00:23.54 | enouf | tuvwx: hrm .. udf using growisofs? .. should be maybe the --dvd-comapt option .. lemmee see |
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| 00:25.31 | enouf | hrm ; In addition growisofs supports first-/single-session recording of arbi- |
| 00:25.31 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:25.32 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:26.17 | tuxplorer | what happened to the /etc/sysconfig directory? had it been shifted to somewhere else? |
| 00:26.18 | tuvwx | enouf, in my case, premastered using genisoimage |
| 00:26.20 | Amarande | wait, does that mean you CAN burn ext3 to a DVD? |
| 00:26.28 | r0otz | any other way to see list of all users besides 'cat /etc/passwd |
| 00:26.30 | r0otz | ' |
| 00:26.45 | abrotman | getent |
| 00:26.48 | Amarande | r0otz, 'less /etc/passwrd'? :) |
| 00:26.51 | stew | tuxplorer: it stayed right where it was, on redhat |
| 00:26.54 | Amarande | *passwd |
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| 00:28.01 | enouf | tuvwx: some info ? http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/linux/DVD+RW/#udf |
| 00:28.26 | tuxplorer | stew: not in etch |
| 00:28.34 | stew | tuxplorer: no, never in debian |
| 00:28.46 | frankr | any way to undo rm -rf ? |
| 00:28.46 | enouf | Amarande: it's a bit unclear to me .. using DVD-RAM, i think you can |
| 00:29.00 | frankr | accidentally cleared my webspace directory |
| 00:29.13 | r0otz | Amarande: thank you |
| 00:29.21 | Amarande | it seems to me that a DVD should accept an arbitrary filesystem image |
| 00:29.26 | tuxplorer | stew: then where do I put my tcng settings? http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Traffic-Control-tcng-HTB-HOWTO/examples.html asks me to put all my tcng settings in that directory .. |
| 00:29.27 | Amarande | I think CDs did, at least |
| 00:29.28 | enouf | Amarande: also note some burners (Sony and Pioneerm maybe) do use a 512B sector rather than the typical 2048 .. odd fugly stuff |
| 00:30.19 | abrotman | wtf was wrong with my answer ? |
| 00:30.31 | stew | tuxplorer: put then into a script and run the script from an "up" line in /etc/network/interfaces (man interfaces) |
| 00:30.37 | enouf | !congratulate abrotman |
| 00:30.37 | dpkg | Nice one abrotman, you did it! |
| 00:31.26 | r0otz | Amarande: ill try that hehe =) |
| 00:31.36 | abrotman | enouf: my friend who has a daughter had this Dora the Explorer doll .. you'd press her shoelace .. and the doll would sit there and spin her head and say "We did it, we did it, yayyyy we did it" .. it's far funnier when you've been drinking a bit i think |
| 00:32.27 | enouf | Amarande: a typical FS 'image' is what i'd callas ISO or RAW |
| 00:32.27 | r0otz | Amarande: its same shit as cat /etc/passwd |
| 00:32.28 | frankr | abrotman, hahahahaha |
| 00:32.28 | maddash | damn, there's no PHC patch for 2.6.21 |
| 00:32.28 | r0otz | stew: enouf: my brainmasters, how can i see a list of users i created and their dirs? |
| 00:32.28 | Amarande | r0otz, it's in /etc/passwd! :) |
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| 00:32.28 | enouf | abrotman: sounds like fun .. ;-) |
| 00:32.29 | stew | r0otz: getent passwd |
| 00:32.29 | maddash | r0otz: 'their dirs'? |
| 00:32.29 | abrotman | i said that! |
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| 00:32.44 | enouf | pony time? |
| 00:32.45 | r0otz | directories they created or.. something like /home/user/ or anyting along those lines |
| 00:32.51 | maddash | stew: that just gives a list of groups, not users |
| 00:33.00 | maddash | r0otz: /etc/passwd |
| 00:33.11 | r0otz | actualy |
| 00:33.11 | stew | maddash: 'getent passwd" gets the contensts of the passwd database |
| 00:33.18 | r0otz | yes stew is right |
| 00:33.22 | r0otz | so is Amarande hehe |
| 00:33.23 | stew | maddash: (which on most systems is the contents of /etc/passwd) |
| 00:33.25 | abrotman | Madd_Matt: if 'getent passwd' lists groups on your box .. your box is broken |
| 00:33.30 | r0otz | same shit as less /etc/passwd or cat /etc/passwd |
| 00:33.46 | abrotman | r0otz: man getent .. it can do more |
| 00:33.55 | r0otz | ok thank you guys =))) |
| 00:34.01 | tuxplorer | thanks stew |
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| 00:34.23 | r0otz | =) |
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| 00:34.31 | r0otz | did i miss anyone haha =) |
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| 00:35.06 | stew | r0otz: use cut to get partilar fields, like just users would be "getent passwd | cut -d: -f1" $HOME would be -f6 |
| 00:35.18 | enouf | r0otz: typing 'groups' as the user will show which groups that user belongs too ,.. but you can deduce that from the toher methods mentioned |
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| 00:36.07 | r0otz | sweet |
| 00:36.09 | r0otz | thanks |
| 00:36.15 | enouf | find can be used with an option to locate -user, or -inum, or someshit to find all files belonging to a certain user .. man find |
| 00:36.26 | r0otz | oki |
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| 00:36.37 | r0otz | damn |
| 00:36.45 | r0otz | getent passwd | cut -d: -f1 this worked like a whistle haha.. |
| 00:36.47 | enouf | saw the manpage size? |
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| 00:36.53 | enouf | oh .. hehe |
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| 00:37.00 | r0otz | -d: -fl... |
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| 00:37.09 | pihhan | ????? ????? |
| 00:37.12 | r0otz | i can sit here for years and not figure out wtf that is hahaha =) but it did exactly what stew said it do =) |
| 00:37.16 | pihhan | ????, ???? ?????? |
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| 00:37.23 | jasonlife | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:37.23 | r0otz | showd me just the users hehe ok .. and that man page size is huge =\)_)!~!! |
| 00:37.26 | J_P | hi all |
| 00:37.34 | Peacimowen | hi |
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| 00:37.34 | abrotman | pihhan: !!!!,!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 00:37.42 | stew | easy |
| 00:37.43 | enouf | bah .. misfired .. |
| 00:37.57 | jasonlife | which alsa version you have in 4.0? |
| 00:38.10 | stew | !info alsa-source etch |
| 00:38.12 | jasonlife | cat /proc/asound/version will show it.. |
| 00:38.12 | dpkg | alsa-source: (ALSA driver sources), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.0.13-5 (etch), Packaged size: 2479 kB, Installed size: 2532 kB |
| 00:38.25 | enouf | ¿ |
| 00:38.28 | abrotman | why is there a source package if alsa is in the kernel ? |
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| 00:38.34 | J_P | people, where I find sources.list for etch ? |
| 00:38.37 | stew | abrotman: becuaes the kerel has 1.0.12 |
| 00:38.41 | abrotman | J_P: man sources.list |
| 00:38.42 | stew | nice typing |
| 00:38.46 | maddash | enouf: heh, yonkers? |
| 00:38.51 | abrotman | !paulswmsmite stew |
| 00:38.56 | jasonlife | I have 1.0.12rc1.. |
| 00:39.07 | jasonlife | How can I upgrade it to latest one...? |
| 00:39.07 | enouf | maddash: not too far :-P |
| 00:39.19 | stew | jasonlife: update from what to what? |
| 00:39.19 | enouf | but no , not there |
| 00:39.47 | jasonlife | stew: I want to upgrade alsa from 1.0.12rc1 to latest one.. |
| 00:40.08 | stew | jasonlife: aptitude install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i alsa |
| 00:40.10 | maddash | enouf: (40.921799, -73.783600) |
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| 00:40.44 | stew | jasonlife: (assuming you are running etch) |
| 00:40.55 | pihhan | hi again! |
| 00:40.56 | jasonlife | I'm using debian 4.0 |
| 00:41.03 | stew | yes, that would be etch |
| 00:41.26 | jasonlife | stew: " aptitude install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i alsa " Is this all command? |
| 00:41.26 | pihhan | abrotman, sorry i were writing in english, but for unknown reason with serbian layout :D |
| 00:41.34 | abrotman | that sounds .. hard |
| 00:41.45 | jasonlife | stew: sorry, I really don't get it.. |
| 00:41.46 | stew | jasonlife: that is a chain of 3 commands which will install alsa 1.0.13 |
| 00:42.13 | pihhan | you know gnome-terminal does not accept that so i could not type commands |
| 00:42.17 | jasonlife | stew: thanks .. I will try.. |
| 00:42.19 | Amarande | is there anything significantly new in 1.0.13? |
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| 00:44.24 | pihhan | etch does look nice |
| 00:44.33 | pihhan | but upgrade is painful |
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| 00:44.34 | pearl | ;D |
| 00:44.50 | enouf | will installing module assistant automatically pull down the linux-headers, and build-essential? |
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| 00:44.58 | Vasistha | pihhan: why? I think for most, the upgrade isn't that bad. Have you read the release notes? |
| 00:45.24 | Peacimowen | I just reinstalled 'cause it had been a while and I had a lot of 'crap' left over from various installs, uninstalls, upgrades, etc.. |
| 00:46.00 | abrotman | enouf: if needed |
| 00:46.27 | pihhan | Vasistha, without special hacks in release notes i would not have anything working now |
| 00:46.28 | jasonlife | stew: is will install new kernel? I wonder |
| 00:46.47 | stew | jasonlife: no, it will compile alsa against your running kernel |
| 00:46.54 | jasonlife | I see |
| 00:47.05 | Vasistha | pihhan: yeah, actually, I only got the stock kernel fully working yesterday, and I upgraded two months ago :P |
| 00:47.09 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:47.10 | tuvwx | enouf, here is what happens (from dmesg) when accessing the dvd for the first time using the 'infected' drive: http://paste.debian.net/27411. subsequent access trials using the same drive fail much sooner than the first, probably as a result of the first failure |
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| 00:47.20 | jasonlife | stew: thanks.. |
| 00:47.29 | pihhan | and i have SIGABORT in scrollkeeper-update |
| 00:47.39 | pihhan | so my packages does not configure |
| 00:47.43 | tuvwx | enouf, at this point, i find it hard to be unrelated to the jmicron controller |
| 00:47.48 | enouf | abrotman: wow .. i didn't know that .. funny thing, when i installed alsa, i also grabbed all alsa pkgs, including source , do dpkg-reconfigure shows a alsa-source as reconfigurable ;-) , i do recall many questions about it upon installing, but didn't build anything for this old box |
| 00:48.03 | damog | What does scrollkeeper-update really do, anyway? |
| 00:48.14 | abrotman | enouf: hehe |
| 00:48.34 | pihhan | damog, break dpkg-configure afaik :) |
| 00:48.43 | damog | pihhan: Heh. |
| 00:48.48 | pihhan | *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (!prev): 0x0805bab8 *** |
| 00:49.02 | pihhan | /var/lib/dpkg/info/gnome-panel-data.postinst: line 21: 8797 Aborted scrollkeeper-update -q |
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| 00:49.47 | pihhan | well, upgrade from woody do sarge was much more easier than this one |
| 00:50.25 | stew | pihhan: are you following the procedure in the release notes? |
| 00:50.58 | pihhan | stew, do you think you can update desktop without THAT DAMN procedure? |
| 00:51.05 | stew | pihhan: yes |
| 00:51.13 | pihhan | i dont |
| 00:51.24 | tuvwx | enouf, even stranger, the drive burns just fine, and corrupts its own burns, otherwise accessible with other drives |
| 00:51.24 | stew | pihhan: why not? |
| 00:51.58 | pihhan | stew, because dist-upgrade does only tell you there is loop depencies and quit? |
| 00:52.13 | damog | How to Tie the 10 Most Useful Knots # Digg is an awesome place for information. |
| 00:52.15 | enouf | tuvwx: i really don't know .. about udf either, but i can saya a few things; 1. it might be crap blank media 2. i get somewhat similar errors when running a util like 'hwinfo' when there's media inthe drive. 3. i would doubt the controller , but not rule it out entirely, since it works properly in all other uses/applications? |
| 00:52.20 | stew | pihhan: if it does then you are upgrading from before sarge |
| 00:52.35 | stew | pihhan: what gave you a loop? e2fsprogs? |
| 00:52.43 | pihhan | x11-common |
| 00:53.07 | stew | pihhan: did you sucessfully run aptitude upgrade before trying to upgrade the x stuff? |
| 00:53.46 | pihhan | well i did upgrade |
| 00:53.49 | enouf | tuvwx: the cdrkit channel is where you really want to have this discussion anyways (irc.oftc.net) .. |
| 00:53.50 | Vasistha | pihhan: also, did you try using the -f option with your dist-upgrade? |
| 00:53.52 | stew | pihhan: and wait, x11-common should have been already at the etch version before you even tried dist-upgrade? |
| 00:54.33 | pihhan | stew, yes, that is the way i got it working |
| 00:55.11 | enouf | tuvwx: i should've pointed (read 'dragged') you over there to begin with .. such a waste of retyping/re-explaining on a diiff channel/network .. (save logs, copy and paste ;-)) |
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| 00:55.32 | pihhan | Vasistha, no, i did not use -f |
| 00:55.55 | stew | pihhan: right, so you should have just followed the upgrade procedure in the release notes instead of trying to discover it on your own |
| 00:55.56 | enouf | tuvwx: i accidentally misfired earlier and closed out this channel and lost the first helf of our discussion |
| 00:56.06 | eck | is it possible to find out where debian got the source for a package from? |
| 00:56.21 | karsten | eck: /msg dpkg pdo |
| 00:56.23 | stew | eck: yes, it should be in /usr/share/doc/packagname/copyright |
| 00:56.31 | eck | thanks :-) |
| 00:56.37 | stew | eck: or you can read the copyright file from packages.debian.org/packagename |
| 00:56.56 | acehigh | anyone know why i can't use apt-get update to update sources o the net? |
| 00:57.08 | karsten | acehigh: Because it's not working. |
| 00:57.21 | karsten | !tell acehigh about smart questions |
| 00:57.23 | stew | acehigh: can you give us any hints? do you get an error? |
| 00:57.36 | Vasistha | acehigh: maybe you're not connected to the net? Maybe your sources.list is pointing to repos that are down? |
| 00:57.42 | karsten | acehigh: Commands, errors, and relevant diagnostics would be more useful than "it doesn't work". |
| 00:57.44 | hybridiZ1d | can someone help me with grep/cat.. i have a tacacs.conf with 500 users or so.. i wanna take all the lines with "username = USERNAME" and put it into a file, whats the best way? |
| 00:57.59 | Vasistha | don't use cat |
| 00:58.07 | karsten | hybridiZ1d: grep username tacacs.conf > newfile |
| 00:58.19 | gravity | mmmm... tacos |
| 00:58.28 | karsten | hybridiZ1d: Assuming tacacs.conf is some sort of textfile. |
| 00:58.35 | acehigh | sec im about to give the error |
| 00:58.46 | abrotman | better than gatos |
| 00:58.55 | enouf | i wonder if genisoimage is calling mkudffs or not .. hrmm |
| 00:59.01 | Vasistha | hybridiZ1d: if you want to be more specific, you could even anchor it to the beginning of line: grep '^username' tacacs.conf >newfile |
| 00:59.05 | dondelelcaro | or perhaps just grep '^username' tacacacacacacac.conf |
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| 00:59.26 | mnguyen | hey is there a gtk-engine-murrine package? Or is there a reliable repository I can get it from? |
| 00:59.56 | karsten | The PBCP. |
| 01:00.04 | karsten | That's princess bride control protocol. |
| 01:00.12 | karsten | 'ACK' is replaced by "As you wish". |
| 01:00.15 | Vasistha | mnguyen: you could check out apt-get.org but I don't know that I would call that "reliable" |
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| 01:00.42 | acehigh | hrm pastebin aint letting me paste it |
| 01:00.42 | shogunx | karsten would FIN be Mostly FIN then? |
| 01:00.48 | xoz_ | hybridiZ1d: use grep -v username tac.conf > result.txt .... to remove the username |
| 01:01.00 | enouf | Vasistha: thanks for you help earlier trying to get a fontviewer going |
| 01:01.11 | enouf | s/you/your |
| 01:01.13 | Vasistha | enouf: heh, np, glad you found it |
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| 01:01.19 | karsten | shogunx: And several deamons would be devoted to searching for packets with six bytes. |
| 01:01.28 | mnguyen | Vasistha, thanks |
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| 01:01.37 | enouf | Vasistha: i found that app, but still can;t view and psf.gz fonts ;-) |
| 01:01.40 | hybridiZ1d | group = consvpool { |
| 01:01.40 | hybridiZ1d | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:01.40 | hybridiZ1d | dns-servers = 192.168.30.40 |
| 01:02.08 | Vasistha | hybridiZ1d: watch that ... much more, and you'll be kicked for flooding. please use a pastebin. |
| 01:02.14 | shogunx | karsten, and when they found the six fingered packet, they would execute a ping of death. |
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| 01:02.49 | Perdignus | Hello - How do I mount my NTFS partition as writeable? |
| 01:02.49 | karsten | shogunx: We'd have to have a dread protocol roberts as well. |
| 01:02.59 | Vasistha | !ntfs-3g |
| 01:02.59 | dpkg | i guess ntfs-3g is a new driver for NTFS with write support, see http://packages.debian.org/ntfs-3g for release status. Read the FAQ at http://www.ntfs-3g.org/support.html, also ask me about <ntfs> |
| 01:03.03 | karsten | Perdignus: mount -r <other options> <share> |
| 01:03.04 | enouf | abrotman: btw .. $28 million/yr (147K/hour) .. not a bad wage eh? |
| 01:03.37 | acehigh | k here is the error |
| 01:03.37 | karsten | Perdignus: Has to be exported writeable, and you need to have an account that has write perms. Note root-squash if you're trying to write as root. You probably can't. |
| 01:03.39 | hybridiZ1d | xoz_: how do i put it back? |
| 01:03.40 | acehigh | http://pastebin.ca/476359 |
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| 01:03.44 | shogunx | shogunx what would usenet be, the flame, err... fire swamp? |
| 01:03.52 | hybridiZ1d | xoz_: did that just remove the usernames from tacacs.conf ? |
| 01:03.59 | hybridiZ1d | grep -v username /usr/local/tacacs/etc/tacacs/tacacs+.conf > result.txt |
| 01:04.04 | xoz_ | hybridiZ1d: yep. check it if you want |
| 01:04.16 | xoz_ | hybridiZ1d: then use mv but backup your config |
| 01:04.22 | stew | acehigh: aparantly the ftp.us mirror you are trying to use is having problems, try a different mirror |
| 01:04.39 | karsten | shogunx: This would be a 64 bit IP implementation, with packet sizes of 18 million million million bytes. |
| 01:04.48 | karsten | shogunx: ... packets of unusual size, of course. |
| 01:05.03 | acehigh | could syntax have something to do with that stew? |
| 01:05.33 | stew | acehigh: no, its trying to fetch ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/dists/etch/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz which is a file that should exist |
| 01:05.38 | Vasistha | hybridiZ1d: man grep, you will see that -v "reverses" the results |
| 01:05.41 | stew | acehigh: wait |
| 01:05.47 | Perdignus | hmm, is there a fsck for ntfs? |
| 01:05.57 | stew | acehigh: that's not true, ut should be ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz |
| 01:06.14 | Vasistha | Perdignus: I don't know, but I doubt it. Why not just do that operation in windows? |
| 01:06.16 | stew | acehigh: you should have ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian and not ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/ in your sources list |
| 01:06.30 | shogunx | karsten i'll help, but only if, when a packet drops, a little andre the giant head pops up and says "i am the brute squad" |
| 01:06.31 | acehigh | stew thank you i will check that out |
| 01:06.38 | stew | acehigh: and unless you have a good reason not to use http, you should consider making that http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian |
| 01:06.58 | Perdignus | Vasistha good point, I just needed write support to get my wifi drivers to thar partition, I'll reboot, fix the partition then remount it with ntfs-3g |
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| 01:07.46 | karsten | shogunx: Rather than resolve packet collisions with backoff and random retry intervals ... |
| 01:08.14 | karsten | ... one will put down its rock, the other its sword, and they'll try to kill each other like civilized packets. |
| 01:08.24 | acehigh | stew thank you and it worked yahoo i can now install the dang package :) |
| 01:08.26 | stew | karsten: inconceivable |
| 01:09.03 | shogunx | stew the way you use that word; i do not think you know what it means. |
| 01:09.14 | Vasistha | hahaha |
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| 01:10.28 | pihhan | is there tool to verify correct installation of package? |
| 01:10.49 | karsten | pihhan: debsums will check md5sums of the installed binaries. |
| 01:11.11 | pihhan | why is not debsums signed? |
| 01:12.01 | pihhan | debsig: Origin Signature check failed. This deb might not be signed. |
| 01:12.01 | karsten | pihhan: package lists are signed. Long story. |
| 01:12.02 | Vasistha | guh. curse the weather forecast. I thought it was going to cool off by 6 pm, but it is still 86 degrees, ugh. Now, accuweather seems to think it's going to cool off 20 degrees in the next 3 hours. yaright. |
| 01:12.07 | pihhan | what does that mean? |
| 01:14.01 | pihhan | how can i view origin or such things? |
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| 01:17.03 | hybridiZ1d | hi guys, whats the best way to gzip a directory? |
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| 01:18.42 | Wyzard | hybridiZ1d: Use tar |
| 01:19.07 | Wyzard | tar czf foo.tar.gz somedir/ |
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| 01:19.36 | Wyzard | gzip compresses a single data stream; tar packs a bunch of files into a single data stream |
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| 01:19.58 | flexa | boa noite gente! |
| 01:20.12 | Azar | hello honorables |
| 01:20.25 | hybridiZ1d | can i start apache with a different user other than root even tho I have the root pass/apache pass phrase? |
| 01:20.30 | Azar | flexa: boa constrictor |
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| 01:20.53 | hybridiZ1d | basically, i wanna start apache without being root, but apache has a passphrase so can i start it with a normal user? |
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| 01:21.11 | flexa | notcias sobre a verso 2.0 da br cdd? com o lanamento do etch? |
| 01:21.21 | Azar | !br |
| 01:21.21 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 01:21.22 | karsten | !es |
| 01:21.22 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 01:21.26 | asg | karsten: fail |
| 01:21.34 | karsten | Yeah, yeah. |
| 01:21.38 | asg | :) |
| 01:21.57 | flexa | i'm sorry in english rs |
| 01:22.52 | asg | hybridiZ1d: use sudo(1) to give certain non-root users the ability to run certain things as root |
| 01:22.55 | hybridiZ1d | Hi guys basically what i wanna do is: I can't get into root, unless i go through sinlge user mode. If i log into single user mode what permissions do i need to change to apache and or it's dependencies to start apache ? |
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| 01:23.26 | hybridiZ1d | asg: i don't have root installed.. can I setup a user when im in single user mode and allow that user to run apache? |
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| 01:23.49 | hybridiZ1d | asg: i dont have root installed woops sorry |
| 01:24.11 | hybridiZ1d | asg: i mean i can login to root in single user mode only at the moment.. |
| 01:24.56 | karsten | hybridiZ1d: Root isn't "installed", it just is. |
| 01:24.56 | karsten | hybridiZ1d: You're running Ubuntu, perhaps? |
| 01:24.56 | asg | hybridiZ1d: of course you have root. You may not have root's password but that doesn't matter (/msg dpkg I forgot root's password) |
| 01:24.56 | hybridiZ1d | karsten: yes |
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| 01:24.56 | xoz_ | plonk |
| 01:24.56 | karsten | !ubuntu |
| 01:24.56 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 01:24.56 | asg | hybridiZ1d: man sudoers |
| 01:24.57 | karsten | hybridiZ1d: /join #ubuntu |
| 01:24.59 | hybridiZ1d | asg: ill start again.. bascially what i wanna do is start apache without root, but i can login to root and give the user access first, what needs to be done? |
| 01:25.15 | Azar | hahahaha... root installation |
| 01:25.21 | Azar | root canal maybe |
| 01:25.30 | asg | hybridiZ1d: use sudo(1); man sudoers |
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| 01:28.42 | xoz_ | hybridiZ1d: sudo bash |
| 01:29.00 | Wyzard | xoz_: "sudo -i" is the preferred way to do that |
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| 01:30.56 | xoz_ | Wyzard: should it not be the default then? |
| 01:31.29 | Wyzard | default for what? |
| 01:31.42 | xoz_ | for running sudo |
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| 01:32.03 | Wyzard | no more than "bash" should be the default |
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| 01:32.29 | xoz_ | never had problem without -i |
| 01:32.31 | Wyzard | The "-i" option is just sudo's built-in way to simulate being logged in as the user you're sudo'ing to |
| 01:32.46 | Wyzard | i.e. "sudo -i" gives you a root shell |
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| 01:33.00 | xoz_ | Wyzard: and sudo bash is not root shell? |
| 01:33.14 | Wyzard | it is |
| 01:33.21 | Wyzard | That's why I said "-i" is the preferred way -- not the only way |
| 01:33.27 | karsten | xoz_: man sudo |
| 01:33.46 | xoz_ | i know. just don't see the point |
| 01:33.49 | karsten | xoz_: There are various ways to get a login shell experience. You've been given two. |
| 01:33.58 | karsten | xoz_: It's the sharp bit at the end. |
| 01:34.08 | karsten | !TMTOWTDI |
| 01:34.08 | dpkg | There's More Than One Way To Do It (in Perl, or....) |
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| 01:34.18 | xoz_ | not yet seen the advantage |
| 01:34.25 | Wyzard | The "-i" looks at the user's passwd entry and runs the user's default shell, which may or may not be bash |
| 01:34.47 | karsten | xoz_: Supposing some idiot designed a shell which lacked an option to force a login shell initialization. |
| 01:34.52 | karsten | xoz_: sudo gives you same. |
| 01:34.58 | Wyzard | and it runs it as a login shell, the same kind you'd get if you logged into the account normally at the console |
| 01:35.01 | karsten | xoz_: Advantage: sudo. |
| 01:35.13 | Wyzard | which affects what login scripts it runs |
| 01:35.42 | Wyzard | It's quicker to type too :-) |
| 01:36.22 | hybridiZ1d | xoz_: instead of using sudo, with root can I change perms |
| 01:36.39 | hybridiZ1d | xoz_: forget that.. can all users in the apache group start/stop apache process by default? |
| 01:36.47 | Meshezabeel | have any of you ever heard of this problem, I have a Debian router at work, when it is reboot, an error comes up saying that it cannot find device eth1, it then renames eth1 to eth3. If I reboot again it changes to eth4, reboot again it changes to eth5, etc. all variations from eth0 to eth5 (or more) show up in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25.persistent-net.rules with various mac addresses - if I delete them all, and reboot I get my eth1 b |
| 01:36.52 | xoz_ | hybridiZ1d: man sudo |
| 01:36.55 | Wyzard | hybridiZ1d: Why would you want to bastardize your system by screwing up apache's permissions, when you can just use sudo to run apache as root like it's intended to be done? |
| 01:37.11 | libervisco | Hi, I just compiled the newest kernel per these instructions (http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s06.html.en) and after trying to boot it I get "Begin: Waiting for root filesystem" where it just stops |
| 01:37.11 | Azar | cuz he can't read? |
| 01:37.15 | abrotman | Meshezabeel: what if you delete that file ? |
| 01:37.17 | Wyzard | Meshezabeel: "various" MAC addresses? |
| 01:37.17 | libervisco | What could be the cause? |
| 01:37.43 | hybridiZ1d | Wyzard: my root password is expired.. and i have no cdrom drive available atm |
| 01:37.43 | Wyzard | Meshezabeel: The purpose of that file is to establish non-changing mappings between MAC addresses and interface names |
| 01:37.43 | Meshezabeel | Wyzard: seem to be random mac addresses assigned each time, one time it was even FF:FF:FF:FF.... |
| 01:37.48 | hybridiZ1d | Wyzard: so I cant do a root pass reset |
| 01:38.04 | hybridiZ1d | Wyzard: thus why im asking if any users in the apache group can start/stop the process |
| 01:38.18 | Meshezabeel | abrotman: didn't try deleting the file, but deleted everything except header comments out |
| 01:38.18 | Wyzard | Meshezabeel: Existing network cards are presumed to always have the same MAC address and get the same name, and a newly-added card gets a new name that isn't yet used by any other card |
| 01:38.36 | karsten | hybridiZ1d: Any boot media will work. Floppy or USB flash. Or move the HD to a system that has a CDR. Or beg, borrow, or steal a CDR. That's your problem. |
| 01:38.49 | Azar | hybridiZ1d: if you lost your root password, likely your users won't have it either |
| 01:39.05 | Wyzard | Meshezabeel: If you have a single network card that has a different MAC address every time you boot, that'd look like a different card each time so it'd keep getting new names, but I can't think of any reason why a network card would do that |
| 01:39.17 | Wyzard | hybridiZ1d: You said you're running Ubuntu, right? |
| 01:39.43 | karsten | Wyzard: We're starting to see those at $WORK. |
| 01:40.00 | xoz_ | karsten: Wyzard, default home in sudo -i is /root, while sudo bash defaults to user's home. i prefer the latter. also, sudo -i doesnt run my .bashrc, it uses root's .bashrc. |
| 01:40.03 | karsten | Wyzard: Though I have to echo your question. |
| 01:40.10 | Meshezabeel | ok, thanks Wyzard |
| 01:40.17 | karsten | xoz_: Yes, we know that. |
| 01:40.17 | Azar | karsten: we have only one linux system at work: RH for call accounting |
| 01:40.35 | karsten | Azar: I've got root on over 1000 linux boxen. |
| 01:40.48 | Azar | karsten: at your work? |
| 01:40.51 | Wyzard | karsten: legitimate or 0wned? :-P |
| 01:41.08 | karsten | Wyzard: I'll take the fifth. |
| 01:41.18 | Azar | mabe 3 boxen with 977 terminals hooked up |
| 01:41.22 | karsten | Azar: No, I built my house out of 'em. |
| 01:41.32 | Meshezabeel | Wyzard: you think there might be something wrong with the card itself? |
| 01:41.37 | Azar | haha |
| 01:41.46 | Wyzard | hybridiZ1d: If you're running Ubuntu then your root password isn't "expired", root just has no valid password in the first place, because you're supposed to use sudo to do root stuff |
| 01:42.06 | hybridiZ1d | Wyzard: Im running sarge 3.1 on this box, sorry |
| 01:42.09 | Wyzard | Meshezabeel: Possibly, but karsten says there are some real network cards which behave that way |
| 01:42.10 | Azar | Meshezabeel: to mee it looks like your provider is playing futzy with you |
| 01:42.18 | shogunx | Wyzard or, more correctly, sudo su is the root password:) |
| 01:42.21 | Wyzard | Meshezabeel: My suggestion would be to install a different network card, one that doesn't suck |
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| 01:42.39 | Wyzard | hybridiZ1d: ok, so root is enabled and should have a valid password |
| 01:43.02 | Wyzard | hybridiZ1d: You said root's password is expired, but you also said you can get root access by booting in single-user mode -- why not use single-user mode to reset root's password so it's not expired anymore? |
| 01:43.13 | hybridiZ1d | Wyzard: Wyzard right, yes |
| 01:43.26 | Azar | Wyzard: < hybridiZ1d> Wyzard: my root password is expired.. and i have no cdrom drive available atm << his story has an interesting change here |
| 01:43.30 | hybridiZ1d | Wyzard: I login to single user mode and try change the pass but it wont let me.. says the file system is in use |
| 01:43.35 | Meshezabeel | Wyzard: ok thanks, I have two network cards in there the same, only eth1 seems to do it, but not eth2 - I also have eth0 (onboard) that has no problems either |
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| 01:43.51 | Wyzard | Meshezabeel: What type of network card, out of curiosity? |
| 01:43.55 | Azar | hybridiZ1d: so reinstall... |
| 01:44.02 | Wyzard | hybridiZ1d: What command gives you that message? |
| 01:44.05 | hybridiZ1d | Wyzard: thing is.. i can login as root in single user mode |
| 01:44.10 | Wyzard | hybridiZ1d: and exactly what does the message say? |
| 01:44.15 | hybridiZ1d | Wyzard: its got some security modules installed AFAIK |
| 01:44.16 | pihhan | thanks for advices guys, see you later |
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| 01:44.24 | Azar | hybridiZ1d: you cannot login as root in user mode |
| 01:44.29 | Wyzard | hybridiZ1d: Is it "filesystem in use", or perhaps "read-only filesystem" ? |
| 01:44.38 | hybridiZ1d | Azar: Yes right I cant login as root in user mode, but i cain in single user mode |
| 01:44.45 | hybridiZ1d | Wyzard: Read-only FS |
| 01:44.47 | Meshezabeel | Wyzard: actually, I don't remember off hand |
| 01:44.56 | Azar | hybridiZ1d: because now you are user and without root password you will not get in |
| 01:45.00 | Wyzard | hybridiZ1d: I'm guessing you booted with "init=/bin/bash" then, right? |
| 01:45.10 | hybridiZ1d | Azar: What do you suggest I do then? |
| 01:45.20 | Wyzard | hybridiZ1d: mount / -o remount,rw |
| 01:45.23 | Wyzard | hybridiZ1d: passwd root |
| 01:45.26 | Wyzard | hybridiZ1d: mount / -o remount,ro |
| 01:45.28 | Wyzard | then reboot |
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| 01:45.44 | hybridiZ1d | Wyzard: is that only possible with debian, or with most distro's too? |
| 01:45.54 | Wyzard | any distro |
| 01:46.10 | Azar | are you sure you are trying to gain root on your own box, hybridiZ1d ? |
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| 01:46.12 | Wyzard | If you use "init=/bin/bash" you bypass the whole startup process, including the step that changes the root filesystem from read-only to read-write |
| 01:46.13 | endra | hey |
| 01:46.25 | Wyzard | so you just use "mount / -o remount,rw" to make it read-write manually |
| 01:46.31 | Wyzard | Then you can reset root's passwd |
| 01:46.50 | endra | I don't think I have the nvidia drivers setup correctly, although in my xorg it has the driver as "nv", also things seem to be a bit laggy and they shouldn't, any idea? |
| 01:46.50 | xoz_ | handy to 0wn root |
| 01:47.22 | Azar | Wyzard: say I want to get root on a box that is not mine, same solution? |
| 01:47.26 | Wyzard | (That's not actually single-user mode, btw... single-user mode is what you get when you type "single" on the kernel options line, and it boots mostly normally and starts the system services, then prompts you for the root password before giving you a shell) |
| 01:47.33 | hybridiZ1d | Azar: yes, i can login to root with the root pass in single user mode, but why not in multi-user mode? |
| 01:47.48 | endra | Azar: do you have access to the physical box? If so, you can chroot into it |
| 01:48.00 | Azar | because you do not want "anyone" get root on your box, right? |
| 01:48.05 | Azar | then make an ass of you |
| 01:48.06 | Wyzard | Azar: Yes, unless the owner has put measures in place to prevent it -- such as passwording GRUB so you can't add the "init=/bin/bash" option |
| 01:48.39 | Azar | ...which many will not do |
| 01:48.45 | hybridiZ1d | Azar: so just boot into single user mode again and run mount / -o remount,rw |
| 01:48.47 | hybridiZ1d | then change the pass |
| 01:48.49 | hybridiZ1d | then remount ? |
| 01:48.53 | hybridiZ1d | ,ro |
| 01:49.01 | Azar | hybridiZ1d: not sure :) |
| 01:49.04 | hybridiZ1d | will that fix the issue with multi-user mode? |
| 01:49.07 | Wyzard | Azar: of course, you could just boot alternate media, such as a liveCD -- the owner would need to lock that out and password the BIOS too |
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| 01:49.08 | hybridiZ1d | Wyzard: what do you think? |
| 01:49.24 | Wyzard | Azar: and even then, you could just remove the drive; ideally the owner would need to encrypt it so you can't access it no matter what |
| 01:49.27 | Wyzard | hybridiZ1d: yep |
| 01:49.32 | hybridiZ1d | Wyzard: If i boot back into single user mode.. and do mount / -o remount,rw |
| 01:49.34 | hybridiZ1d | then remount,ro |
| 01:49.42 | hybridiZ1d | change the pass of course then ro |
| 01:49.46 | hybridiZ1d | will that fix it? |
| 01:49.46 | Wyzard | yes |
| 01:49.51 | hybridiZ1d | when i log back into multi-user mode? |
| 01:50.13 | Wyzard | hybridiZ1d: It should, though I don't know the details of your system's password policy or the "security modules" you mentioned |
| 01:50.21 | Azar | 3. don't let noobs run apache |
| 01:50.34 | abrotman | 4) don't take advice from Azar |
| 01:50.35 | abrotman | :) |
| 01:50.36 | Wyzard | hybridiZ1d: but on a typical Debian installation, that will work |
| 01:50.48 | Azar | abrotman!!!! hey I got you out of your shell |
| 01:51.10 | abrotman | Azar: uhm .. ok |
| 01:51.12 | Azar | stoned: gimme five! I win |
| 01:51.47 | Wyzard | endra: "nv" is the reverse-engineered 2D-only driver, not nVidia's high-performance 3D-accelerated driver |
| 01:51.56 | Wyzard | endra: That one is called "nvidia" and it's packaged separately |
| 01:51.57 | Azar | on another line... came from work today found "The Office" season Two on my pillow... mom gifted me |
| 01:52.12 | Wyzard | !tell endra about nvidia |
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| 01:52.36 | abrotman | Azar: that's so sad |
| 01:52.45 | endra | Wyzard: thanks, thought I was forgotten about ;) |
| 01:52.48 | Azar | tragicoming rather |
| 01:53.10 | centrx | "gifted"? do you mean "gave" |
| 01:53.15 | gravity | nv isn't reverse engineered |
| 01:53.21 | gravity | It's actually maintained by an nvidia employee |
| 01:53.27 | Azar | centrx: yea well gave as gift |
| 01:53.27 | Wyzard | gravity: ah, ok... didn't realize that |
| 01:53.50 | gravity | Wyzard: Yeah, unless you follow Xorg closely you wouldn't :-) |
| 01:53.53 | centrx | I don't see how something given could be anything other than a gift |
| 01:54.21 | Azar | stoned: hey, Dell did a 90 degree turn hahaha |
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| 01:54.52 | Azar | centrx: like giving a kick in the nuts? that a gift too? |
| 01:55.19 | jelly | gravity: uh, what's the business plan in that? |
| 01:55.37 | Wyzard | gravity: btw, I discovered yesterday that I no longer need "acpi_sleep=s3_bios" or disabling video output auto-switching on my i915 ThinkPad... previously I'd needed those workarounds to avoid video corruption in X when suspending or closing and re-opening the lid |
| 01:55.37 | Azar | gravity: you followed the last few days the Dell craze with promise to install *buntus? well now they turned and joined ms-novell hahahaha |
| 01:55.55 | gravity | Wyzard: Cool |
| 01:56.04 | gravity | Azar: Well, they offer Ubuntu too |
| 01:56.15 | Azar | gravity: we will see.. |
| 01:56.21 | gravity | jelly: I don't really care :-) I just want a healthy linux ecosystem |
| 01:56.23 | gravity | Lots of distros |
| 01:56.42 | Azar | hey ! I found an article related to Etch and ACPI for whomever is interested, some hints on hybernation |
| 01:56.56 | abrotman | gravity: how about dell offers one .. hp offers another .. lenovo another ? |
| 01:57.03 | centrx | that's a different meaning of the word give |
| 01:57.10 | gravity | abrotman: That'd be fine with me |
| 01:57.15 | Azar | me with like an IBM with Debian |
| 01:57.16 | centrx | you can't actually give anyone a kick in that sense |
| 01:57.20 | gravity | abrotman: I'm just against distro monoculture, even if it were Debian |
| 01:57.30 | gravity | At this point there's so few "major" distros, it feels wrong |
| 01:57.31 | Wyzard | Azar: I find that gnome-power-manager handles suspend-to-RAM pretty well on my ThinkPad -- especially now that I no longer need the two workarounds I just mentioned to gravity |
| 01:57.36 | centrx | you would be giving them a bruise perhaps, but not a kick |
| 01:58.07 | gravity | Hell, a good chunk of the major distros these days derive from Debian, which limits things |
| 01:58.09 | Azar | Wyzard: http://mikesplace.wordpress.com/2007/05/06/debian-etch-backports-acpi/ |
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| 01:58.48 | abrotman | gravity: what would you like? another packaging system ? |
| 01:58.55 | concept10 | gravity, radical in what aspect? |
| 01:59.04 | gravity | abrotman concept10 I don't know yet |
| 01:59.15 | abrotman | gravity: well jeez .. the night is almost over .. get cracking |
| 01:59.21 | gravity | I'll start thinking about it once I've finished my major Xorg goals |
| 01:59.45 | gravity | nixos looks interesting, but kludgy. |
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| 02:00.07 | gravity | Perhaps something that really addresses the deficiencies in the dpkg/rpm model |
| 02:00.10 | concept10 | We don't need another radical distro, what we need it for individuals to complete some of the missing pieces |
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| 02:00.23 | gravity | concept10: We're pretty close at this point |
| 02:00.33 | Wyzard | gravity: I do like Gentoo's concept of USE flags for choosing what optional functionality (X support, etc.) goes into packages -- that's something Debian lacks, and it leads to weird alternatives like exim4-daemon-light vs. exim4-daemon-heavy |
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| 02:00.49 | gravity | Wyzard: Yeah, but it sucks to have to build everything from scratch |
| 02:00.49 | Wyzard | and I've been meaning to try out GoboLinux at some point |
| 02:00.56 | gravity | Yeah, Gobo is very interesting |
| 02:01.03 | gravity | nixos does similar stuff, but way uglier |
| 02:01.16 | concept10 | gravity, im not sure what you were reffering to (xorg), but making it work better out of the box would help everyone |
| 02:01.35 | Wyzard | gravity: Installation sucks (at least if you do a world rebuild like I do), but periodic updates generally aren't that bad... about on par with running sid |
| 02:01.41 | gravity | concept10: Pretty much everything works out of the box these days. Xorg is the only thing lagging, but that'll catch up over the next year or two. |
| 02:01.49 | hybridiZ1d | whats the best way to tar a directory? ie. i wanna tar a directory called ok with all its contents? |
| 02:01.50 | abrotman | and wifi |
| 02:01.53 | gravity | concept10: udev and the kernel are solid. The DE's work great. We have a browser. |
| 02:02.04 | Wyzard | gravity: but I do like the USE flags... I think my idea of an ideal distro would be some sort of cross between Debian and Gentoo |
| 02:02.08 | gravity | concept10: We're missing some X drivers and some wireless drivers. That's about it. |
| 02:02.14 | Wyzard | hybridiZ1d: I told you earlier... even gave you the actual command |
| 02:02.20 | concept10 | Xorg should have been working (imho) a long time ago, its been around longer than most projects |
| 02:02.26 | gravity | hybridiZ1d: The tar manpage has an example at the top. That's what I use. |
| 02:02.30 | endra | brb rebooting, thanks Wyzard |
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| 02:02.42 | gravity | concept10: Xorg wasn't around that long. XFree86 was a dysfunctional project that prevented innovation. |
| 02:02.53 | gravity | concept10: Xorg has really done a lot of important stuff since the fork. |
| 02:03.09 | Wyzard | concept10: xorg works pretty well once it's configured... I guess what it needs is an ability to be configured dynamically through some API, rather than having to edit a text file |
| 02:03.13 | concept10 | gravity, I know that. xorg comes from the same code base. |
| 02:03.30 | hybridiZ1d | Wyzard: could you please tellme agian? |
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| 02:03.38 | gravity | Wyzard: That's coming. randr1.2, input hotplugging, and some of the stuff I've already put in to unstable and am currently working on will finish the deal |
| 02:03.42 | endra | back, nice shiny colors. Thank you! |
| 02:03.44 | abrotman | concept10: right .. but it came from xfree where innovation was stiffled |
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| 02:03.54 | concept10 | I survived reading the xorg history on the debian wiki. whew! |
| 02:03.56 | jelly | gravity: suspend/resume is crappy in linux |
| 02:04.26 | Wyzard | gravity: oh? I'm curious about what's different in randr1.2 |
| 02:04.40 | concept10 | I really don't worry anymore about linux, everything will eventually get addressed in due time. |
| 02:04.47 | gravity | jelly: Good point. That needs ACPI to go away though, and we need more momentum behind linux for that to happen |
| 02:04.57 | Wyzard | gravity: I was thinking of things like adding a second monitor to the desktop, and configuring its position with respect to the first monitor, without having to restart X |
| 02:05.16 | gravity | Wyzard: That's exactly what randr 1.2 offerw |
| 02:05.24 | Wyzard | gravity: nifty :-) |
| 02:05.31 | gravity | Wyzard: It ecompasses and Xinerama and makes it obsolete |
| 02:06.18 | gravity | It's all dynamic. The DE projects need to write gui frontends to configure the relative positions of the monitors, but the functionality is done in the server and intel driver. nv supports it (I need to do that upload though). radeon has it on a branch to come soon. The others will follow. |
| 02:06.29 | concept10 | What about samba/nfs configs? has anyone seen a nice gui config tool for these? |
| 02:06.37 | Wyzard | gravity: That's really cool :-) |
| 02:06.39 | Wyzard | I'll look forward to that |
| 02:06.52 | gravity | Wyzard: If you've got intel and run sid, you already have it :-) |
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| 02:07.24 | Wyzard | gravity: How does it remember the changes across server restarts? Does it dynamically modify xorg.conf or something? |
| 02:07.34 | gravity | Wyzard: That's still a problem. |
| 02:07.42 | Wyzard | ok, so it's not a permanent change |
| 02:07.54 | gravity | Well, ideally your DE GUI will set the pref, say in gconf. |
| 02:08.16 | gravity | I'd like to make a solution that's part of the server, and I have an idea for how to do it. I haven't worked out the kinks yet. |
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| 02:08.19 | esaym | what the fudge, my Esc key stopped working! Now I can't exit out of games :( >_< |
| 02:08.22 | Wyzard | but it'd really be a sort of system-wide gconf, not a per-user gconf |
| 02:08.24 | esaym | anyone have a clue |
| 02:08.26 | hybridiZ1d | Wyzard: please could you tell me? |
| 02:08.31 | hybridiZ1d | Wyzard: I can't see hte command |
| 02:08.44 | concept10 | I can configure NFS and Samba without a GUI tool, but with all of these NAS devices based on linux these days, and the Avahi stuff, you would think someone would have made config nicer. |
| 02:09.07 | gravity | concept10: Get on it :-) |
| 02:09.15 | gravity | Anyone can write a GUI frontend these days. |
| 02:09.16 | Azar | hehehehe! http://forums.worsethanfailure.com/forums/55879/postattachment.aspx |
| 02:09.18 | Wyzard | hybridiZ1d: Did you look at the tar manpage like gravity told you several minutes ago? |
| 02:09.28 | Wyzard | hybridiZ1d: tar czf foo.tar somedir/ |
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| 02:10.16 | concept10 | gravity, maybe I should. Pardus Linux has been doing some nice Python work, making GUI tools. I need to see what they are doing in that area. |
| 02:10.21 | gravity | Azar: Nice :-) |
| 02:10.49 | Wyzard | gravity: I imagine xorg.conf will need to be retired at some point, in favor of a more programmatically-modifiable configuration system, like gconf or XML trees or something |
| 02:11.05 | mfrisch_ | abrotman you here? Man I messed up something. I boot a new install and get dropped to a initramfs cli and lilo was installed on a etch install |
| 02:11.16 | gravity | Wyzard: A significant number of the xorg develpers wouldn't mind making gconf a dependency for the X server |
| 02:11.17 | abrotman | that's a bit vague |
| 02:11.31 | mfrisch_ | abrotman I know |
| 02:11.49 | esaym | no one has any idea about a broke Esc key? |
| 02:11.49 | krazykit | Wyzard, i think they want to get rid of xorg.conf in 7.3, if i remember the roadmap correctly |
| 02:11.50 | Wyzard | mfrisch_: Your /boot needs to be on a plain partition for GRUB to be an option... if it's on a software RAID or something, you get LILO |
| 02:12.03 | Azar | been long since I have seen abrotman spoon-feeding someone |
| 02:12.25 | mfrisch_ | Wyzard ok could fake raid cause the same effect? |
| 02:12.43 | abrotman | Azar: you stopped asking questions |
| 02:12.58 | Wyzard | mfrisch_: yes, that's a form of software RAID |
| 02:13.06 | itrebal | abrotman: btw, it wasn't in the man page on making it the default, however I did figure it out via trial-and-error |
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| 02:13.45 | mfrisch_ | the only option for raid in the bios is off is there a default to access the firmware conf? |
| 02:13.52 | Wyzard | gravity: Wouldn't be a bad idea... I can imagine having a "system gconf" and "user gconf" split, like we have already with dbus |
| 02:14.00 | abrotman | itrebal: who what ? |
| 02:14.20 | Wyzard | gravity: though it'll bring out the naysayers yelling "oh noes, we're reimplementing the Registry!" :-) |
| 02:14.21 | itrebal | abrotman: last night, my problem with having two IPs and the wrong one being default for outgoing packets |
| 02:14.25 | esaym | brb |
| 02:14.35 | abrotman | itrebal: i don't remember that question! |
| 02:14.41 | itrebal | abrotman: hehe, well I asked it :D |
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| 02:15.02 | abrotman | itrebal: you asked about the interfaces file ? |
| 02:15.24 | itrebal | yea |
| 02:15.37 | gravity | Wyzard: I don't know, in all honesty. A lot of the X server config things aren't really well handled currently |
| 02:16.30 | Wyzard | gravity: Well, I look forward to seeing how it turns out |
| 02:16.39 | gravity | Wyzard: Me too :-) |
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| 02:17.16 | abrotman | itrebal: i don't remember you phrasing your question like that |
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| 02:17.37 | itrebal | abrotman: I phrased it several different times, whatever :) |
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| 02:18.06 | mfrisch_ | how do I find out what kind of hardware raid this baby uses? |
| 02:18.38 | abrotman | itrebal: it's okay! |
| 02:18.40 | abrotman | lspci |
| 02:18.58 | abrotman | itrebal: i can't remember everything .. my ear leaks |
| 02:19.02 | itrebal | understood |
| 02:19.09 | itrebal | all too well |
| 02:19.11 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 02:20.14 | mfrisch_ | abrotman thanks goodnight! |
| 02:20.20 | abrotman | mfrisch_: i didn't do anyhting! |
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| 02:20.35 | mfrisch_ | abrotman not my box nothing makes sense ;-) |
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| 02:21.00 | spacefrog | What's a good pdf reader for gnome? |
| 02:21.07 | abrotman | spacefrog: evince |
| 02:21.11 | abrotman | or xpdf |
| 02:21.40 | lontra | acroread ... |
| 02:21.42 | hybridiZ1d | tar czf calmweb.tar calmweb |
| 02:21.42 | hybridiZ1d | tar: z: unknown option |
| 02:21.42 | hybridiZ1d | Usage: tar {txruc}[vfbFXhiBEelmopwnq[0-7]] [-k size] [tapefile] [blocksize] [exclude-file] [-I include-file] files ... |
| 02:21.43 | acehigh | brb |
| 02:21.45 | hybridiZ1d | tar czf calmweb.tar calmweb |
| 02:21.48 | hybridiZ1d | tar: z: unknown option |
| 02:21.50 | hybridiZ1d | Usage: tar {txruc}[vfbFXhiBEelmopwnq[0-7]] [-k size] [tapefile] [blocksize] [exclude-file] [-I include-file] files ... |
| 02:21.53 | hybridiZ1d | a |
| 02:21.56 | hybridiZ1d | g |
| 02:21.57 | abrotman | stop pasting |
| 02:21.58 | hybridiZ1d | tar czf calmweb.tar calmweb |
| 02:22.02 | hybridiZ1d | tar: z: unknown option |
| 02:22.03 | hybridiZ1d | Usage: tar {txruc}[vfbFXhiBEelmopwnq[0-7]] [-k size] [tapefile] [blocksize] [exclude-file] [-I include-file] files ... |
| 02:22.06 | hybridiZ1d | tar czf calmweb.tar calmweb |
| 02:22.07 | maddash | ... |
| 02:22.09 | hybridiZ1d | tar: z: unknown option |
| 02:22.09 | abrotman | hybridiZ1d: STOP |
| 02:22.11 | hybridiZ1d | Usage: tar {txruc}[vfbFXhiBEelmopwnq[0-7]] [-k size] [tapefile] [blocksize] [exclude-file] [-I include-file] files ... |
| 02:22.14 | maddash | !ops |
| 02:22.14 | dpkg | Please invoke '!ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 02:22.14 | hybridiZ1d | oops |
| 02:22.17 | hybridiZ1d | sorry! |
| 02:22.19 | hybridiZ1d | Wyzard: ^^^ |
| 02:22.42 | lontra | !tell hybridiZ1d about paste |
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| 02:22.53 | hybridiZ1d | yeah I didn't mean to paste it twice. |
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| 02:23.08 | maddash | you pasted it thrice, not twice |
| 02:23.15 | abrotman | hybridiZ1d: is that a debian system ? |
| 02:23.27 | maddash | abrotman: most likely not. |
| 02:23.29 | abrotman | duh |
| 02:23.41 | maddash | hybridiZ1d: `which gtar` |
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| 02:23.53 | Azar | abrotman: he does not know yet: first he said yes when asked if he used ubuntu, then changed it to debian sarge.. |
| 02:24.01 | abrotman | it's not linux |
| 02:24.08 | gravity | Speaking of not linux... |
| 02:24.15 | abrotman | gravity is not linux either |
| 02:24.16 | Azar | he first said he got root access , then he said his root password expired |
| 02:24.17 | gravity | http://www.powergrep.com/ |
| 02:24.20 | gravity | Check this out ^^^ |
| 02:24.23 | gravity | It's hilarious |
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| 02:24.34 | maddash | hybridiZ1d: use gtar, if you want the "z" flag |
| 02:24.43 | abrotman | gravity: that's .. freaky |
| 02:24.44 | Azar | I wonder how he pretends to run a server when he knows zip .. |
| 02:25.09 | abrotman | since he's also in #solaris .. i wonder ... |
| 02:25.17 | maddash | gravity: http://pages.interlog.com/~tcharron/grep.html |
| 02:25.35 | maddash | gravity: http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/ |
| 02:25.38 | stoned | hmm |
| 02:25.56 | abrotman | gravity: you konw .. when you make it all GUI-fied .. it's uglier than the actual command :) |
| 02:25.59 | gravity | maddash: No, seriously. Look at the GUI |
| 02:26.05 | gravity | abrotman: No kidding :-) |
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| 02:26.23 | Azar | I found it cheap, gravity :) |
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| 02:26.30 | maddash | gravity: it looks...painful... |
| 02:26.36 | gravity | Azar: Yeah, were were boggling at the price |
| 02:26.53 | gravity | I was wondering if that's a sustainable business model. Make a GUIfied version of a UNIX util for Windows or OSX |
| 02:26.55 | DawnLight | Only US$ 149 |
| 02:27.00 | abrotman | it has a price? |
| 02:27.15 | abrotman | gravity: or a GUI of a windows tool (cygwin) |
| 02:27.20 | Azar | it sure has, all ms-prone apps have a price |
| 02:27.30 | endra | package: Depends: libswt-gtk-3.2-java but it is not going to be installed, E: Broken packages, What can I do to fix this |
| 02:27.40 | gravity | abrotman: Right |
| 02:28.27 | Azar | hey for noobs it has the beloved gui polish they need ... and at what a bargain price! |
| 02:28.45 | maddash | endra: er, install libswt-[...]? |
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| 02:28.59 | endra | maddash: well, shouldn't it take care of dependencies on its own? |
| 02:29.27 | maddash | Azar: UAC |
| 02:29.33 | Azar | hahaha |
| 02:29.41 | maddash | endra: maybe not...try installing it manually first |
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| 02:29.48 | acehigh | k back |
| 02:29.51 | maddash | endra: are you using apt-get or aptitude? |
| 02:29.56 | acehigh | well dri didn't work hehe |
| 02:30.00 | PilZ-E | Why did you come by to lash out at Solaris users in general, maddash? |
| 02:30.09 | maddash | Azar: microsoft actually went ahead to **patent** sudo |
| 02:30.15 | endra | well, if I install it, it says it will remove libswt3.2-gtk-java but NOT libswt-gtk-3.2-java, and it will also remove eclipse :'( |
| 02:30.16 | Amarande | Azar: Click button to show root action: |
| 02:30.33 | Amarande | [ Break machine ] [ Trash files ] [ Irrecoverably destroy data ] [ Do nothing ] |
| 02:30.34 | endra | maddash: I am using apt-get |
| 02:30.35 | abrotman | PilZ-E: you could have msg'ed him |
| 02:31.00 | maddash | PilZ-E: "Solaris users in general" <--- wtf are you talking about? did you not see the prefices on both my messages? "hybridiZ1d: ..." |
| 02:31.27 | Amarande | maddash: hmm, does that mean my etch system is illegal software? |
| 02:31.27 | Amarande | and GNOME in general, pretty much? |
| 02:31.28 | endra | yea. it removed eclipse :-/ |
| 02:31.28 | maddash | endra: apt-get doesn't resolve dependencies automatically. use aptitude. |
| 02:31.52 | maddash | Amarande: heh. only if you use it on win32, I suppose. |
| 02:32.06 | endra | Wow, this is weird, its forcing me to chose between eclipse and azureus lol |
| 02:32.09 | Amarande | hmm, apt-get always pulled dependencies for me |
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| 02:32.16 | Azar | bloated |
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| 02:32.17 | endra | I can't install them both at the same time because of dependencies |
| 02:32.20 | PilZ-E | I'm just wondering why you didn't msg him. |
| 02:32.20 | PilZ-E | I thought you were sending a message to all of #solaris. |
| 02:32.20 | PilZ-E | Kinda like a warning shot. |
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| 02:32.35 | mnguyen | Anybody in here use firehol? |
| 02:32.54 | maddash | !tell mnguyen about anyone |
| 02:32.55 | abrotman | PilZ-E: please msg maddash .. we don't want to take part in this |
| 02:33.07 | Azar | endra: use aptitude to install. it will remove bad packages, install them back with aptitude install |
| 02:33.17 | PilZ-E | abrotman: #solaris didn't want to take part in his outburst, either. |
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| 02:33.30 | abrotman | PilZ-E: maddash is an idiot .. what do you want from us .. we can't control him |
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| 02:33.36 | stew | PilZ-E: solaris and #solaris are off-topic here, please take it elsewhere |
| 02:33.37 | PilZ-E | abrotman: Ah, OK. |
| 02:33.45 | PilZ-E | Sorry, then. |
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| 02:33.51 | maddash | abrotman: heh. |
| 02:33.58 | abrotman | it wasn't funny |
| 02:33.59 | endra | Azar: I just did 'aptitude install eclipse azureus' and it tells me it has to remove azureus |
| 02:34.05 | abrotman | maddash: please don't go troll other channels |
| 02:34.05 | sandman | is it just me, or is maemo just a debian-arm wannabe? |
| 02:34.13 | maddash | abrotman: who said anything about trolling? |
| 02:34.18 | Azar | endra: you had azureus installed with apt-get? |
| 02:34.26 | Wyzard | hybridiZ1d: What tar are you using that doesn't understand the "z" option? |
| 02:34.39 | abrotman | Wyzard: he's not using linux |
| 02:34.49 | maddash | abrotman: my comments were directed at only one user (like the way they are right now), and they were also solaris relevant. "`uname -a`". |
| 02:34.50 | endra | Azar: let me just pastebin it |
| 02:34.50 | Wyzard | abrotman: He said earlier he was running sarge... |
| 02:34.58 | abrotman | Wyzard: lies |
| 02:35.00 | Azar | endra: answer my question please |
| 02:35.11 | abrotman | Wyzard: tell me the last version of GNU tar that didn't understand -z :) |
| 02:35.18 | Wyzard | endra: eclipse and azureus effectively conflict with each other because they depend on incompatible SWT packages |
| 02:35.36 | endra | Azar: no, I removed azureus and eclipse, redid that command, and it is telling me that it cannot install azureus |
| 02:35.44 | Azar | abrotman: the best thing to find out lets have him paste his sources.list on a paster :) |
| 02:35.44 | Wyzard | endra: I don't know why there are two different, incompatible packages of the same library, but for some reason there are, and eclipse depends on one while azureus depends on the other |
| 02:35.59 | Azar | endra: what Wyzard said ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 02:36.02 | Wyzard | endra: It seems to have been resolved in unstable, but afaik it's true in etch |
| 02:36.25 | Amarande | hmm |
| 02:36.46 | Amarande | does it help to do an apt-get source on that library from sid, build that against etch and then try to pull both packages? |
| 02:36.49 | endra | well, can I have it grab it from unstable? I already added the sources |
| 02:36.51 | Azar | Wyzard: ask hybridiZ1d to use a paster and paste his sources.list we will see what he has |
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| 02:37.14 | maddash | Azar: he could just falsify it. |
| 02:37.18 | Wyzard | endra: Be careful about adding unstable sources -- if you do any upgrades that way, you won't be running etch anymore |
| 02:37.24 | Azar | maddash: at his level? I doubt |
| 02:37.55 | Azar | I am a Debian newbie but he is... uh... way wayyyy |
| 02:38.13 | endra | Well, I am new to debian so I am not too sure how to falsify something, or what this whole etch/sarge/unstable is (I read only a few things about it) |
| 02:38.40 | stew | endra: don't install unstable packages onto stable, /msg dpkg backports |
| 02:38.54 | Azar | endra: if you are new, stay with stable to learn more.... unstable is for experts that know how to deal with hard stuff |
| 02:39.32 | enouf | abrotman: btw -- the 28million reference was to the steinbrener/clemens dealio |
| 02:39.34 | endra | Well I am quite familiar with linux, just not debian.. and I need these two programs, so I don't mind reading up to get things working |
| 02:39.41 | abrotman | enouf: who what ? |
| 02:39.46 | enouf | +n |
| 02:39.54 | abrotman | enouf: too much IMO |
| 02:39.57 | enouf | abrotman: roger clemens |
| 02:40.15 | enouf | way too much |
| 02:40.30 | abrotman | it is prorated :) |
| 02:40.31 | Azar | ok I can't hold this anymore! I have to ASK |
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| 02:40.46 | enouf | abrotman: would you take a job that pays 147K+ an hour? .. |
| 02:40.48 | endra | Do you know of any other decent linux bittorrent clients? |
| 02:40.48 | Azar | good stoned is here too so I can ask now |
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| 02:40.56 | abrotman | enouf: depends what it is |
| 02:40.58 | enouf | abrotman: ~ 25+ starts |
| 02:41.00 | stew | endra: rtorrent |
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| 02:41.08 | endra | works for me, thanks |
| 02:41.09 | enouf | major league bro |
| 02:41.11 | stoned | hi there |
| 02:41.21 | enouf | i can do that! |
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| 02:41.35 | enouf | stoned: yo yo ma |
| 02:41.37 | Web-Kanotix476 | Just trying out Gnome and it seems that my toolbars in IceWeasel are really large. Any idea how I can fix this? |
| 02:41.38 | Azar | ok, but please do not get upset huh? ok here it goes: which of you here were running for DPL back in march? |
| 02:41.48 | stoned | enouf: joe davola has not yet kicked me in the head :) |
| 02:41.54 | abrotman | Azar: W T F |
| 02:42.00 | Azar | :P |
| 02:42.00 | enouf | stoned: must eat soon though .. working on prepping a meal |
| 02:42.01 | acehigh | when i run aticonfig --initial i get the following error: http://pastebin.ca/476443 (I am trying to configure the dri setup for the system) (following documentation) |
| 02:42.07 | stoned | plus I don't like to listen to yoyoma too much |
| 02:42.07 | enouf | stoned: lol |
| 02:42.12 | stoned | I enjoy paganini more |
| 02:42.20 | enouf | stoned: seen ArtVandelet? |
| 02:42.25 | maddash | what's so bad about asking a DPL question? |
| 02:42.28 | stoned | bbl |
| 02:42.45 | enouf | BTW who is the Dpl? .. i nevert followed up |
| 02:42.55 | Azar | some guy who lives in France |
| 02:43.00 | Azar | in Francia |
| 02:43.10 | Sazpaimon | god, the 5 button inteliimouse is perfect |
| 02:43.11 | enouf | PM me if necessary .. or point me to info |
| 02:43.20 | Sazpaimon | i STILL cant find a decent replacement mouse |
| 02:43.20 | Azar | Sam Hocevar |
| 02:43.42 | enouf | really? .. hrm .. leemee review the debates ;-) |
| 02:43.47 | abrotman | !dpl |
| 02:43.47 | dpkg | DPL stands for Debian Project Leader, an elected position currently held by Anthony Towns (aj). See <http://www.debian.org/devel/leader>. |
| 02:43.48 | Azar | :) hehe |
| 02:43.50 | abrotman | cute |
| 02:44.03 | enouf | huh? |
| 02:44.11 | Azar | when it the throne exchange taking place? |
| 02:44.13 | enouf | discrepency? .. lol |
| 02:44.20 | endra | About the whole swt java problem, when would it get moved over to etch? |
| 02:44.21 | abrotman | it's wrong .. |
| 02:44.29 | enouf | ok |
| 02:44.33 | maddash | acehigh: looks like a bug. what's inside xorg.conf.original-2? |
| 02:44.55 | stew | !dpl =~ s#Anthony Towns (aj)#Sam Hocevar# |
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| 02:44.56 | dpkg | that doesn't contain 'Anthony Towns (aj)', stew |
| 02:45.01 | maddash | acehigh: also, have you considered using the radeon driver? |
| 02:45.06 | Azar | enouf you were there I saw you.. at the debates |
| 02:45.08 | abrotman | stew: i fixed |
| 02:45.08 | acehigh | maddash my orginal config which boots fine but does not render 3d |
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| 02:45.25 | maddash | !dpl |
| 02:45.26 | dpkg | DPL stands for Debian Project Leader, an elected position currently held by Sam Hocevar. See <http://www.debian.org/devel/leader>. |
| 02:45.37 | acehigh | maddash, radeon driver? |
| 02:45.47 | Azar | put his email there tooo for complaints |
| 02:46.09 | maddash | acehigh: it's basically the open-sourced counterpart of fglrx |
| 02:46.14 | acehigh | maddash, I got that driver from ati site itself |
| 02:46.31 | stew | acehigh: which chipset does your card have? |
| 02:46.33 | acehigh | maddash, is it better |
| 02:46.43 | acehigh | x1600 |
| 02:46.45 | maddash | acehigh: xserver-xorg-video-ati --- and select "radeon" instead of "ati" in your xorg.conf |
| 02:46.51 | stew | acehigh: then forget about the radeon driver |
| 02:47.18 | acehigh | maddash, do a apt-get for it? |
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| 02:48.05 | stew | acehigh: yes, xserver-xorg-video-ati. it doesn't support your card |
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| 02:48.26 | acehigh | xserver-xorg-video-ati is already the newest version. |
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| 02:48.49 | acehigh | k what does |
| 02:48.49 | DawnLight | "It is wise to create a dummy local user with absolutely no rights on the system and use that user to login into SSH." how do i do that? |
| 02:48.58 | stew | acehigh: fglrx |
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| 02:49.17 | acehigh | which I installed and got the error i listed |
| 02:49.42 | acehigh | when i run aticonfig --initial i get the following error: http://pastebin.ca/476443 (I am trying to configure the dri setup for the system) (following documentation) |
| 02:49.48 | endra | stew: rtorrent is great. thanks :) |
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| 02:50.15 | acehigh | this is the documentation im using |
| 02:50.17 | acehigh | http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Debian_Installation_Guide |
| 02:50.37 | stew | DawnLight: what for? if i were taking rights away from a user, the right to login via ssh would be taken away long before it had "absolutely no rights" what is your goal? |
| 02:50.40 | abrotman | !fglrx |
| 02:50.40 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-debian installation method, or currently not working with xorg > 7.1 . Downgrade xserver-xorg-core to 7.1 for the time being if you are on testing/unstable |
| 02:50.58 | abrotman | stew: i think the idea is to ssh in as that user .. and then su - <realuser> |
| 02:51.32 | abrotman | stew: just a hunch |
| 02:51.42 | DawnLight | thats it exactly |
| 02:52.11 | DawnLight | perhaps its overkill |
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| 02:53.58 | acehigh | abrotman, the link does not work |
| 02:54.04 | stew | DawnLight: if you are worried about ssh, move it to a non-standard port, and only allow publickey logins (not password / challenge logins) |
| 02:54.09 | abrotman | blame tarzeau |
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| 02:54.19 | abrotman | !fglrx one-liner |
| 02:54.19 | dpkg | [fglrx one-liner] update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources> |
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| 02:56.37 | DawnLight | no no, abrotman, the fglrx package is outrageousely outdated |
| 02:56.45 | DawnLight | who wanted help? |
| 02:56.49 | acehigh | me |
| 02:56.57 | acehigh | when i run aticonfig --initial i get the following error: http://pastebin.ca/476443 (I am trying to configure the dri setup for the system) (following documentation) |
| 02:56.59 | abrotman | DawnLight: so waht? if ti wroks it works |
| 02:57.02 | acehigh | http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Debian_Installation_Guide |
| 02:57.33 | acehigh | abrotman, problem is the package isnt in deb no more so hince it dont work hince why im manually installing |
| 02:57.47 | acehigh | via debs |
| 02:57.48 | abrotman | hince? |
| 02:57.52 | DawnLight | acehigh, hold on, link coming up |
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| 02:58.00 | acehigh | DawnLight, thank you |
| 02:58.06 | stew | acehigh: which package isn't in debian anymore? |
| 02:58.07 | maddash | abrotman: hence* |
| 02:58.28 | acehigh | fglrx-driver fglrx-control |
| 02:58.35 | maddash | acehigh: did you install the fglrx-kernel-`uname -r`.deb package? the one you had to compile yourself? |
| 02:58.38 | abrotman | maddash: babelfish didn't know |
| 02:58.38 | stew | !info fglrx-driver etch |
| 02:58.41 | dpkg | fglrx-driver: (display driver for the ATI graphics accelerators), section non-free/x11, is extra. Version: 8.28.8-4 (etch), Packaged size: 7375 kB, Installed size: 21996 kB |
| 02:58.49 | stew | !info fglrx-control etch |
| 02:58.50 | dpkg | fglrx-control: (control panel for the ATI graphics accelerators), section non-free/x11, is extra. Version: 8.28.8-4 (etch), Packaged size: 59 kB, Installed size: 320 kB |
| 02:58.58 | stew | they seem to still be in debian |
| 02:59.00 | stew | well no |
| 02:59.03 | acehigh | it didn't get them for me |
| 02:59.07 | stew | not in debian, but distributed by debian |
| 02:59.11 | DawnLight | http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Debian_Installation_Guide#Method_2:_Generating.2FInstalling_Debian_packages_from_the_ATI_installer |
| 02:59.48 | stew | acehigh: yeah, they are non-free so they were never in debian, but you could install them by using the debian 'non-free' repositories |
| 03:00.29 | lontra | if i want ndiswrapper to start everytime i boot do i need to add it to /etc/modules? |
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| 03:00.56 | acehigh | stew, what happened to the good old days when everything was in the tree |
| 03:00.58 | concept10 | lontra, yes |
| 03:00.59 | DawnLight | and don't forget to clean up the /usr/src/modules of any fglrx stuff and to purge all fglrx stuff you've installed, acehigh |
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| 03:01.17 | acehigh | DawnLight, thats the document im following |
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| 03:01.40 | maddash | I'm thinking of getting a tattoo. It's going to be Debian-themed. Any suggestions? Nothing fancy, mind you. |
| 03:01.43 | stew | acehigh: in debian? those days never existed. debian has always been about free software |
| 03:02.02 | dondelelcaro | maddash: lots of people have the swirl |
| 03:02.05 | DawnLight | good. do it the second way, build from ati package, because the repository is out of date, version 28 or something |
| 03:02.05 | JoelyWoely | maddash: dontdontdontdontdont |
| 03:02.30 | acehigh | DawnLight, I am building the second way im on the last step and get segment fault |
| 03:02.31 | concept10 | maddash, dont do it |
| 03:02.44 | concept10 | get a skull or something |
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| 03:03.22 | Throat | heh |
| 03:03.26 | acehigh | DawnLight, http://pastebin.ca/476443 is the error i get when i run aticonfig --initial |
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| 03:03.33 | Throat | have the swirl all over your skull :) |
| 03:04.29 | stoned | stew: i spoke with muammer el khatib, and we will be working on SMC together |
| 03:04.34 | DawnLight | acehigh: try to "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and then try the --initial thing again |
| 03:04.36 | stoned | stew: :D |
| 03:05.01 | stoned | stew: he has been working on SMC for 120+ days while I had put in close to 65+days |
| 03:05.11 | acehigh | DawnLight, do i need to be in the deb directory where the deb were made? |
| 03:05.16 | stoned | stew: I will co maintain it but hopefully we can get it accepted into debian soon |
| 03:05.24 | stoned | well whenever really |
| 03:05.44 | stew | stoned: cool |
| 03:06.04 | stoned | stew: in fact he uploaded the packages to ftp master not 2 days before I was about to |
| 03:06.22 | maddash | concept10: skulls, cowboys, hearts, dragons, pirates, et al. are overdone. I was thinking of something like http://herotyc.scenesp.org/stuff/wallpapers/debian_stones_1024x768_1.jpg , but then I realized that a) I can only withstand so much pain and that b) I could never work out enough to have 1024x768 graphic imprinted on my arm (30x200 at most, I suppose). |
| 03:06.30 | stoned | at first I was a bit upset about feeling as if my time was wasted, but then i spoke with him and its all good |
| 03:06.34 | stew | stoned: oh was there no itp filed? |
| 03:06.41 | stoned | stew: none that I could find |
| 03:06.46 | stoned | stew: and no i didn't either |
| 03:07.01 | stoned | stew: in fact i didn't even know wth an itp was |
| 03:07.03 | stew | stoned: yeah, this is the whole point of the ITP |
| 03:07.06 | Azar | stoned: what is SMC ? |
| 03:07.11 | stoned | !smc |
| 03:07.11 | dpkg | i guess smc is the Self-Made Critic at http://www.brunching.com/selfmade/ Secret Maryo Chronicles is an Open Source two-dimensional platform game with a style designed similar to classic sidescroller games. which utilizes the platform independent libray, SDL and since Version 0.98 with the OpenGL accelerated Graphics Renderer developed in C++. http://www.secretmaryo.org/ |
| 03:07.14 | maddash | [sigh] if only I could `aptitude imprint [package]` |
| 03:07.19 | abrotman | oh god .. not that again |
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| 03:07.49 | Azar | oh my god! stoned!!! you code at games? |
| 03:07.57 | concept10 | you have to be a bored mofo to arrange some debian stones :) |
| 03:08.09 | Azar | how nice!! I love games |
| 03:08.11 | stoned | stew: he is the maintainer of libcegui as well, and as such he will work on making cegui use libxml or tinyxml instead of xerces |
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| 03:08.26 | stoned | Azar: no I did not code it |
| 03:08.37 | stoned | Azar: the SMC team codes the game. #secretmaryo |
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| 03:08.38 | Azar | stoned: but you help at it? |
| 03:08.52 | stoned | Azar: I am trying to help as much as I can. I fucking LOVE MARIO |
| 03:09.00 | Azar | me too!! |
| 03:09.25 | synx | What's the best way to submit a bug report for iceweasel? It's a duplicate of a Firefox bug, so... |
| 03:09.36 | stoned | !bugreport |
| 03:09.39 | stoned | doh |
| 03:09.44 | stoned | reportbug package |
| 03:09.47 | stoned | install it and use it |
| 03:09.50 | abrotman | reportbug |
| 03:09.58 | stoned | !reportbug |
| 03:09.59 | dpkg | i heard reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian BTS. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ |
| 03:09.59 | acehigh | DawnLight, still same error |
| 03:10.03 | maddash | stoned: mario, eh? http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1757486/ |
| 03:10.18 | Azar | im having it on my gba! |
| 03:10.25 | synx | So, just report it as a normal Debian bug? |
| 03:10.41 | stoned | yeh its an old joke |
| 03:10.48 | stoned | makers of mario were trippin on shrooms |
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| 03:11.08 | stoned | asian shrooms are more potent with the psylocibe (i cant spell) |
| 03:11.12 | Azar | man Id love an autograph from them |
| 03:11.25 | stoned | synx: yes |
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| 03:11.44 | synx | stoned: thanks! |
| 03:11.50 | Wyzard | stoned: psilocybin, I believe |
| 03:12.12 | Azar | mario was in fact the first cool game in lonnnng time after bounty |
| 03:12.13 | stoned | Wyzard: psilocybe is the plural |
| 03:12.17 | Wyzard | ah |
| 03:12.29 | stoned | thanks for the spelling too :) |
| 03:12.40 | Xenguy | magic is easier to spell ;-) |
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| 03:13.06 | stoned | man louisiana was awesome |
| 03:13.18 | stoned | lots of shroom fields all around baton rouge |
| 03:13.28 | Azar | ok ok guys now that abrotman is gone, really : who of you were running for DPL back in march? :P |
| 03:13.30 | stoned | and it rains there all the time, and humidity is in mid70s all year round |
| 03:13.40 | stoned | perfect grounds for ahem.. so anyway back on topic |
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| 03:13.49 | stoned | wtf |
| 03:13.54 | stoned | Azar: wth man |
| 03:13.57 | Azar | not you too |
| 03:14.00 | stoned | ahhh nevermind |
| 03:14.00 | Azar | hey curious |
| 03:14.04 | stoned | hold on |
| 03:14.12 | confused | The Debian netinstall disk does not have grub-install |
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| 03:14.23 | Azar | blasphemy!! |
| 03:14.55 | Wyzard | confused: It's not really necessary... it's just a frontend for stuff you can do with grub itself |
| 03:14.58 | stoned | Azar: say `abrotman` again |
| 03:15.05 | Azar | abrotman |
| 03:15.06 | Wyzard | confused: It gets installed on the target system, but it doesn't really need to be on the CD |
| 03:15.12 | stoned | Azar: did you say it? |
| 03:15.20 | Azar | yes |
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| 03:15.36 | confused | But I have Debian installed on /dev/sda1 and Vista on /dev/sdb1 |
| 03:15.42 | confused | So how to get Debian going? |
| 03:15.55 | confused | I had Debian installed |
| 03:15.58 | confused | rather |
| 03:16.03 | Wyzard | confused: GRUB gets installed automatically as part of the Debian installation procedure |
| 03:16.59 | Wyzard | confused: You don't need to install it manually |
| 03:17.00 | Amarande | as far as I know, grub is something you just install, and will automatically reflect updates in its configuration |
| 03:17.00 | confused | Well that is history |
| 03:17.01 | DawnLight | acehigh: give up on that tool with the --initial thing. it only configures your xorg.conf to use the fglrx driver and load some modules. find out how to configure xorg.conf manually for fglrx. i am sure that wiki has that information. |
| 03:17.01 | Amarande | not like LILO, where forgetting to run /sbin/lilo will cause your system to have LIL- as a bootloader. ;) |
| 03:17.01 | confused | Vista knocked out grub |
| 03:17.01 | Wyzard | Amarande: He means getting it installed in the MBR |
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| 03:17.03 | Wyzard | confused: ah, ok |
| 03:17.05 | Peacimowen | reinstall grub? |
| 03:17.08 | Wyzard | confused: /dev/sda1 contains your whole Debian installation, right? No separate partition for /boot? |
| 03:17.12 | stoned | oh crap |
| 03:17.12 | confused | Can I use Knoppix grub-install? |
| 03:17.13 | lontra_ | confused: are you sure the netinstalls don't have grub-install? i could have sworn that i've reinstalled grub from a netinstall before |
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| 03:17.17 | lontra_ | confused: yes |
| 03:17.17 | stoned | i just ignore everything |
| 03:17.19 | stoned | hah |
| 03:17.23 | Azar | haha |
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| 03:17.24 | acehigh | DawnLight, it still isn't working |
| 03:17.27 | stoned | there we go |
| 03:17.29 | stoned | now i see see |
| 03:17.33 | Wyzard | confused: You don't need grub-install for this |
| 03:17.34 | Azar | :P |
| 03:17.34 | shogunx | confused remove vista. that will solve most of your problems |
| 03:17.38 | stoned | hold on |
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| 03:17.45 | confused | /dev/sda1 holds my whole distro |
| 03:17.49 | Wyzard | confused: as long as you have the "grub" command itself, which I think the netinstall probably does |
| 03:18.03 | Wyzard | confused: and /dev/sda is your boot drive, right? |
| 03:18.05 | acehigh | DawnLight, I also tried editing xorg.conf and putting radeon and ati in and it will not load gives the error no screens found |
| 03:18.13 | confused | right |
| 03:18.18 | confused | I think |
| 03:18.31 | confused | How to check that out? |
| 03:18.32 | Wyzard | confused: I mean, it's the drive the BIOS goes looking for an operating system on |
| 03:18.41 | Wyzard | confused: which means that it's the drive GRUB calls (hd0) |
| 03:19.03 | confused | Not sure about that one |
| 03:19.09 | Wyzard | confused: Switch to the shell on the netinstall CD (Alt-F2 and then press Enter) and run "grub" |
| 03:19.25 | confused | Just grub? |
| 03:19.29 | Wyzard | yes |
| 03:19.39 | confused | and then? |
| 03:19.41 | Azar | allrght stoned, movie time |
| 03:19.41 | Wyzard | you'll get a prompt ("grub>" iirc) |
| 03:19.53 | Wyzard | now type "root (hd0,0)" |
| 03:20.06 | Wyzard | It should say something about it being an ext2 filesystem |
| 03:20.07 | shogunx | I would recommend a mke2fs /dev/sdb1 too, actually |
| 03:20.16 | Wyzard | shogunx: no, Debian is already installed |
| 03:20.21 | Wyzard | shogunx: The aim isn't to erase everything |
| 03:20.27 | confused | SUre isnt |
| 03:20.42 | Wyzard | confused: then, "setup (hd0)" |
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| 03:21.02 | Wyzard | confused: and then you're done |
| 03:21.16 | DawnLight | acehigh: let me see your xorg.conf after dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 03:21.25 | Wyzard | confused: grub-install is just a frontend that figures out the (hd0,0) and (hd0) part (sometimes the numbers can be different) and then does those steps for you |
| 03:21.29 | stoned | Azar: say the word abrotman for me |
| 03:21.37 | stoned | Azar: let me know after you say it |
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| 03:22.25 | Wyzard | confused: What you did is install GRUB's bootloader in the MBR of drive (hd0) -- that's the boot drive, which Linux knows as /dev/sda -- configured to load the rest of itself from the partition (hd0,0), which Linux knows as /dev/sda1 |
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| 03:22.53 | stoned | Azar: well |
| 03:24.28 | DawnLight | where do i put the lines given on the "SSH time-lock tricks" part in this page? http://enterprise.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/03/26/1423232&tid=129&tid=100&tid=35 |
| 03:24.33 | confused | That looks easy enough |
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| 03:25.27 | confused | Is there a way to check the hd0 thing from Knoppix? |
| 03:25.33 | Throat | I thought the aim is *always* to erase everyting - because of the higher educational value :) |
| 03:25.52 | Wyzard | confused: afaik, (hd0) is always the drive that the BIOS loads the operating system from |
| 03:25.58 | confused | Actually it wouldnt matter except I dont want to lose my 1040 |
| 03:26.21 | Wyzard | confused: and unless you have a second hard drive with some other boot manager on it, configured to chain-load or something, this drive is definitely the boot drive |
| 03:26.34 | confused | two HDDS |
| 03:26.51 | stoned | !abrotman |
| 03:26.52 | dpkg | from memory, abrotman is someone we want to win the calendar poll on http://www.itsallpetesfault.org/ is also abrotman is http://abrotman.needs.help/, or obsessed with useless factoids, or "<abrotman> sgeigerbot: are you still sore at me?" |
| 03:26.55 | confused | Only if Vista did something. |
| 03:27.03 | stoned | sweet |
| 03:27.03 | Wyzard | confused: but sda is the one with the operating systems on it |
| 03:27.09 | stoned | fully ignored |
| 03:27.17 | stoned | thank god |
| 03:27.29 | acehigh | DawnLight, putting into pastebin now |
| 03:27.31 | confused | sda has Debian, and then I added 2nd hdd and installed Vista |
| 03:27.33 | Wyzard | confused: You'd have to go out of your way to configure the BIOS to boot from an alternate drive, and the configure the alternate drive to go and boot the first drive |
| 03:27.34 | stoned | never again will I see this nickname |
| 03:27.38 | stoned | irssi > * |
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| 03:28.22 | Wyzard | confused: so it's pretty unlikely that sda is not (hd0) |
| 03:28.33 | DawnLight | KEY FOUND! [ 62:6F:72:6B:62:6F:72:6B:62:6F:72:6B:62 ] (ASCII: borkborkborkb ) |
| 03:28.33 | DawnLight | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:28.37 | confused | I built the computer. SDA is in the first raid slot |
| 03:28.52 | acehigh | DawnLight, http://pastebin.ca/476495 |
| 03:29.19 | confused | First SATA slot rather |
| 03:29.25 | Wyzard | confused: Does your other drive have an ext2 or ext3 filesystem as its first partition? |
| 03:29.42 | Wyzard | confused: or is it NTFS or something? |
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| 03:30.40 | confused | HPFS/NTFS |
| 03:30.50 | confused | /dev/sdb |
| 03:31.00 | Wyzard | confused: then if "root (hd0,0)" says it recognized an ext2 filesystem, you know that (hd0) is sda |
| 03:31.24 | confused | OK, I will go for it. THanks |
| 03:32.01 | confused | root command first and then setup? |
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| 03:32.06 | Wyzard | yes |
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| 03:32.38 | SexyKen | Hey everyone -- I'm trying to get into my debian server to reset the password |
| 03:32.46 | SexyKen | It's using lilo or grub to boot |
| 03:33.01 | blenna | how can i change the label of my hard drives on the gnome desktop from x GB volume to a differnt name |
| 03:33.04 | DawnLight | acehigh: that's a very normal autodetect xorg.conf, except the monitor refresh rate is very low (are you sure thats you're monitor?). anyway i don't know what causes the error. there is an irc channel for the fglrx. #ati i think? good luck anyway |
| 03:33.09 | SexyKen | It's running Debian / Linux 3.1 |
| 03:33.15 | Wyzard | confused: The "root" command tells it where to find the filesystem containing the /boot/grub directory, which has the rest of GRUB's code and the configuration file |
| 03:33.35 | Wyzard | confused: The "setup" command installs the MBR code, including a few bytes telling it what its "root" is |
| 03:33.48 | acehigh | DawnLight, thank you for taking time to try to help me figure it out |
| 03:35.09 | DawnLight | acehigh: you're on the last step. configure it. type in "fglrx" instead of "ati" and add some modules to load and you are done for a basic setup as far as i remember it |
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| 03:37.13 | haxality | hi, I was wondering what the command to suspend to ram was |
| 03:37.27 | haxality | I remember it was like 'echo ram > /something/somethingelse' |
| 03:38.49 | Wyzard | haxality: /sys/power/state, and it's "mem", not "ram" |
| 03:38.58 | haxality | my mistake. |
| 03:39.03 | haxality | thank you |
| 03:39.34 | Wyzard | haxality: but that's the low-level command to actually go into suspend mode... I think you'll want to use a tool or script that does other stuff first to prepare the system for suspend |
| 03:39.56 | Amarande | say, does Linux require a special key on the keyboard to wake the computer from suspend? |
| 03:40.08 | Wyzard | haxality: some systems need certain kernel modules to be unloaded first and re-loaded afterward, for example, because the modules don't handle suspend correctly |
| 03:40.13 | Amarande | I remember Windows hated to use suspend properly unless you had a keyboard equipped with that little "alarm clock" key on it |
| 03:40.16 | haxality | yeah |
| 03:40.27 | haxality | I figured. |
| 03:40.28 | Wyzard | Amarande: It should be the same in Linux as in any other OS... that's a system firmware thing, not an OS thing |
| 03:40.44 | Wyzard | haxality: You'll probably want to use a frontend such as gnome-power-manager (or the KDE equivalent, or whatever) to suspend |
| 03:41.04 | haxality | is there a command-line equivalent? |
| 03:41.07 | SexyKen | How in the world do you boot into single user mode in debian? |
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| 03:41.11 | haxality | I actually just voided myself of gnome |
| 03:41.30 | stoned | SexyKen: i believe grub creates an entry for you |
| 03:41.40 | SexyKen | I dont see one |
| 03:41.41 | hmdl | hi guys, I want to ask a simple question: do I need all etch cd's to perform a basic debian mailserver installation? |
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| 03:42.02 | Wyzard | haxality, Amarande: http://www.advogato.org/article/913.html |
| 03:42.12 | haxality | thanks :) |
| 03:42.30 | nzk | How do I make a third screen thing |
| 03:42.30 | SexyKen | I dont see a single user mode here |
| 03:42.30 | SexyKen | Nope |
| 03:42.44 | Wyzard | hmdl: no |
| 03:42.53 | nzk | Like I can only have 2 things in screen |
| 03:43.00 | hmdl | Wyzard, I only have 1 recordable cd here |
| 03:43.08 | hmdl | can I install etch with the first cd only? |
| 03:43.10 | Wyzard | hmdl: If you have Internet access available while installing, all you need is the first CD, or the netinst CD which is even smaller |
| 03:43.16 | Throat | hm, does suspend to disk now work with the prepackaged kernels? |
| 03:43.24 | Throat | because |
| 03:43.24 | stoned | SexyKen: just specify kernel paramater `single` |
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| 03:43.28 | stoned | i think |
| 03:43.30 | SexyKen | Where do you do that? |
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| 03:43.32 | SexyKen | I tried |
| 03:43.33 | hmdl | what if I dont have inet access? |
| 03:43.37 | Throat | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:43.37 | SexyKen | and it still asks for password |
| 03:43.37 | Throat | mem disk |
| 03:43.37 | hmdl | is the first cd enough? |
| 03:43.39 | confused | no grub command on install disk |
| 03:43.45 | confused | There is chroot. |
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| 03:43.58 | Wyzard | hmdl: then you need the CDs containing whatever packages you need... I don't know whether all the packages for a mailserver are on the first CD |
| 03:44.08 | stoned | SexyKen: kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-486 root=/dev/sda1 ro single <-- upon the grub commandline |
| 03:44.15 | blenna | how can i change the label of my hard drives on the gnome desktop from x GB volume to a differnt name |
| 03:44.23 | Wyzard | hmdl: but if it doesn't have Internet access, how can it be a mailserver? |
| 03:44.24 | stoned | SexyKen: or you can use /boot/grub/menu.lst and modify it yourself |
| 03:44.25 | haxality | er, heh, Wyzard, I meant more like "has someone else written a shell script for suspend" |
| 03:44.38 | hmdl | for the installation I dont know if it will have inet access |
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| 03:44.41 | Wyzard | haxality: I think these days it's handled through HAL |
| 03:44.49 | SexyKen | stoned: When I edit the "ro" and add single to it |
| 03:44.59 | SexyKen | IT asks for root password |
| 03:44.59 | confused | the command mkdir /debian; mount /dev/sda1 /debian |
| 03:45.01 | haxality | ok. |
| 03:45.02 | hmdl | after that im gonna connect it to a dhcp server |
| 03:45.03 | Wyzard | haxality: frontends like gnome-power-manager, acpid, etc. just tell HAL to suspend, and HAL does the preparatory stuff |
| 03:45.04 | confused | didint work either |
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| 03:45.08 | haxality | ahhh ok |
| 03:45.09 | Wyzard | haxality: but I'm not sure of that; I'm just guessing |
| 03:45.12 | aanderse | has anyone here installed grub2? and if so, is there any good reading material on configuring it? |
| 03:45.16 | haxality | no, I'm pretty sure you're right |
| 03:45.27 | haxality | I just wish I know what to do to make hal suspend |
| 03:45.30 | stoned | SexyKen: when you boot the machine... don't select to boot an os. just highlight what you want to boot, then push e, go downt o kernel line, push e, append single after it, enter, push b to boot |
| 03:45.31 | Wyzard | hmdl: Well, recordable CDs are fairly cheap :-) |
| 03:45.46 | Wyzard | haxality: yeah, I don't know offhand how to do it aside from through gnome-power-manager |
| 03:45.57 | stoned | SexyKen: man don't use multiplelines i can't follow |
| 03:45.58 | haxality | well, hm. |
| 03:46.04 | stoned | SexyKen: try one line multiple sentences please |
| 03:46.13 | confused | Wyzard: no grub on install disk. |
| 03:46.14 | stoned | SexyKen: or hilight meon each line |
| 03:46.16 | Wyzard | hmdl: I use CD-RW, actually, so that I can just erase them when I'm done and I don't run out of them :-) |
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| 03:46.24 | hmdl | thanks for the info Wyzard |
| 03:46.39 | Wyzard | confused: OK, so I guess you'll need to use some other CD after all, though I'm surprised by that |
| 03:47.03 | confused | like? |
| 03:47.13 | hmdl | debian releases worth a non RW cd :P |
| 03:47.19 | confused | I have a knoppix disk also |
| 03:47.29 | SexyKen | stoned: That's what I do :-\ |
| 03:47.30 | Wyzard | confused: I'd suggest Ubuntu rather than Knoppix, since it seems to be more spiffy these days... an Ubuntu liveCD is useful to keep around for general troubleshooting purposes |
| 03:47.34 | confused | should I use grub-install from knoppix? |
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| 03:48.19 | Wyzard | confused: To use grub-install you'd need to mount your sda1 partition, I believe, because grub-install looks at what device the /boot directory is on to figure out the parameter for the "root" command |
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| 03:48.26 | Wyzard | confused: I'd just use the manual commands I showed you |
| 03:48.31 | confused | how come I cannot mount /dev/sda1 from the install disk? |
| 03:48.43 | Wyzard | confused: You could do that too... mount and chroot |
| 03:48.53 | Wyzard | confused: but it'd be simpler to just boot Knoppix and run grub |
| 03:48.54 | confused | It wont let me mount it. |
| 03:49.04 | Wyzard | confused: dunno about that... what's the error? |
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| 03:49.11 | SexyKen | stoned: I add single to the line by using e, then scrolling to the kernel line, pressing e again. ONce I do that, I add single to the kernel line. Preses enter and then b |
| 03:49.17 | confused | I forgot. lots of good that does. |
| 03:49.26 | SexyKen | It says "Give root password for Maintenance" or type control-d to continue |
| 03:49.43 | Wyzard | SexyKen: You're trying to reset your root password? |
| 03:49.53 | SexyKen | Yes |
| 03:49.56 | Wyzard | SexyKen: Instead of "single", use "init=/bin/bash" |
| 03:50.10 | Wyzard | SexyKen: You'll bypass all the normal startup stuff and just get a root shell right after the kernel's done loading |
| 03:50.16 | confused | So any problem with running grub-install from knoppix? |
| 03:50.22 | Wyzard | SexyKen: "mount / -o remount,rw" to make the root filesystem read-write |
| 03:50.26 | Wyzard | SexyKen: then run passwd |
| 03:50.38 | Wyzard | SexyKen: then "mount / -o remount,ro" and ctrl-alt-delete |
| 03:50.51 | confused | I cant believe it is so hard to recover from a Vista install. |
| 03:51.03 | Wyzard | confused: again, you'd need to mount and chroot, so that the /boot seen by grub-install is the one on your hard drive |
| 03:51.10 | Throat | you're teaching the kids how to break into machines? |
| 03:51.16 | Wyzard | confused: It's simpler (IMO) to just use "root" and "setup" directly |
| 03:51.22 | confused | I cant chroot from Knoppix, my cpu is 64 boot |
| 03:51.47 | Wyzard | confused: you mean the installation on your hard drive is amd64 Debian, I guess, so you can't chroot into it from Knoppix's 32-bit kernel |
| 03:52.01 | confused | right, tried that route yesterday |
| 03:52.43 | confused | My Debian disk is 64 bit |
| 03:52.45 | Wyzard | confused: you might be able to get by with a bind-mount of /boot rather than using chroot, but... why are you so set on finding a way to use grub-install when you already know how to do this without it? |
| 03:52.47 | SexyKen | Wierd Wyzard |
| 03:52.53 | SexyKen | It says no passwd command found |
| 03:53.02 | confused | How to do it? |
| 03:53.10 | Wyzard | SexyKen: Try /usr/bin/passwd |
| 03:53.12 | confused | run grub from Knoppix? |
| 03:53.18 | Wyzard | SexyKen: In that environment you don't have a PATH set |
| 03:53.27 | Wyzard | confused: yes |
| 03:53.35 | confused | I will try that now. |
| 03:54.52 | confused | hello |
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| 03:55.29 | SexyKen | Thanks Wyzard |
| 03:55.33 | SexyKen | Worked like a charm :-) |
| 03:55.42 | confused | hello |
| 03:55.47 | confused | reset |
| 03:55.48 | Wyzard | confused: That's another reason to use Ubuntu rather than Knoppix btw -- they have a 64-bit build :-) |
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| 03:56.32 | Wyzard | SexyKen: btw, you should consider password-protecting GRUB to prevent other people from being able to root your system that way :-) |
| 03:56.50 | DawnLight | where do i put the lines given on the "SSH time-lock tricks" part in this page? http://enterprise.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/03/26/1423232&tid=129&tid=100&tid=35 |
| 03:57.01 | Wyzard | SexyKen: (...but then you have to make sure not to forget the GRUB password) |
| 03:57.19 | Amarande | confused, installing Windows is the computer equivalent to Homer Simpson shoving that crayon into his brain |
| 03:57.58 | Wyzard | DawnLight: Those are iptables scripts to be run from a shell |
| 03:58.08 | confused | root(hd0,0) |
| 03:58.15 | confused | unrecognized command |
| 03:58.19 | DawnLight | won't that mess up my table? |
| 03:58.20 | Wyzard | DawnLight: To make them take effect automatically on reboots, you'd have to create your own startup script |
| 03:58.23 | Wyzard | confused: There's a space |
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| 03:58.38 | confused | wheres a space? |
| 03:58.46 | Wyzard | confused: root (hd0,0) |
| 03:59.23 | DawnLight | isn't there a cleaner way to do this, Wyzard? |
| 03:59.38 | Wyzard | DawnLight: If you already have other iptables rules (from a firewall or whatever), you'd need to consider how your new rules interact with the existing ones |
| 03:59.39 | confused | It said it was successful |
| 03:59.45 | confused | Should I reboot? |
| 03:59.49 | Wyzard | confused: yes, you're done |
| 03:59.52 | confused | I am scared. |
| 04:00.01 | confused | Here goes. |
| 04:00.18 | Wyzard | DawnLight: If you add the new rules to the end of your existing ones they might never be "seen" at all, but it depends on what other firewall rules are currently in effect |
| 04:00.25 | Throat | there... you couldve got rid of him like that much earlier :) |
| 04:00.40 | DawnLight | haha |
| 04:00.58 | DawnLight | i don't have a firewall |
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| 04:01.26 | Wyzard | DawnLight: then you probably don't have any other iptables rules in effect |
| 04:02.55 | Rusty1 | DawnLight: iptables -L would tell |
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| 04:03.25 | DawnLight | i have nothing |
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| 04:03.30 | confused | I made it. Now how to get Vista back? |
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| 04:03.41 | Throat | ask microsoft :) |
| 04:03.41 | Wyzard | confused: Add an entry in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 04:03.47 | confused | Thank you Wyzard |
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| 04:03.59 | DawnLight | Vista? you don't need that |
| 04:04.00 | Wyzard | confused: title Windows Vista |
| 04:04.04 | Wyzard | confused: rootnoverify (hd0,1) |
| 04:04.08 | Wyzard | confused: chainloader +1 |
| 04:04.18 | DawnLight | put something offensive in the title |
| 04:04.24 | Throat | title DontdontdontdontdontUseThis |
| 04:04.42 | DawnLight | right |
| 04:04.47 | Wyzard | confused: That tells it to load the first sector (the boot sector) from /dev/sda2 (that's (hd0,1)) and execute it |
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| 04:05.14 | Wyzard | confused: which is the same thing Microsoft's MBR code would do; the boot sector of the Windows partition is what loads the OS |
| 04:05.20 | confused | Vista is at /dev/sdb1 |
| 04:05.26 | Wyzard | oh |
| 04:05.32 | Wyzard | then rootnoverify (hd1,0) |
| 04:05.59 | Wyzard | Actually, I think you can omit the "rootnoverify" line entirely and just say "chainloader (hd1,0)+1" |
| 04:06.32 | Wyzard | The "noverify" part means to consider it to be the root without actually trying to mount it as a filesystem (since GRUB doesn't understand NTFS) |
| 04:06.52 | Wyzard | and making it the root just tells later commands, such as "chainloader", what partition to read from |
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| 04:07.35 | Wyzard | "chainloader" loads a sequence of sectors -- "+1" just means to read the first sector |
| 04:07.50 | Wyzard | from the root device |
| 04:10.14 | confused | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:10.21 | confused | Will that work? |
| 04:10.24 | Wyzard | rootnoverify, not root |
| 04:10.39 | Wyzard | otherwise it'll try to find a recognizable filesystem on it, and GRUB doesn't understand NTFS |
| 04:11.04 | Wyzard | and doesn't need to, because you're not loading named files from it, just loading raw sectors with chainloader |
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| 04:11.44 | confused | can I post four lines here? |
| 04:11.51 | Wyzard | Use a pastebin |
| 04:12.04 | Wyzard | I think the limit for in-channel pastes is three |
| 04:12.22 | confused | Only three lines needed right? |
| 04:12.32 | Wyzard | should be, yeah |
| 04:12.43 | confused | I have makeactive line blank |
| 04:12.49 | Wyzard | or just two if you skip the rootnoverify line and put the device name right into the chainloader command |
| 04:13.05 | Wyzard | "makeactive" doesn't take any parameters afaik, so it makes sense for it to be "blank" |
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| 04:13.12 | Wyzard | but it also isn't needed |
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| 04:13.40 | Wyzard | not that I've seen, at least... I've chain-loaded Windows 98, 2000, and XP, and never used it, and I doubt Vista is any different in that regard |
| 04:13.59 | confused | Should I reinstall grub? |
| 04:14.09 | Wyzard | no need for that |
| 04:14.27 | confused | OK just reboot now? |
| 04:14.36 | Wyzard | You installed GRUB's MBR code, which loads the rest of itself from the stage1.5 and stage2 files in /boot/grub, and then reads the config file |
| 04:14.58 | Wyzard | The MBR code doesn't need to be reinstalled just because you changed the config file |
| 04:15.04 | Wyzard | It'll just read the new config file next time you boot |
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| 04:15.33 | confused | OK thank you, I will give it a try. |
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| 04:18.02 | confused | bootmgr is missing |
| 04:18.33 | Wyzard | I've never heard of any "bootmgr" in the context of Debian |
| 04:18.38 | Wyzard | Presumably it's a Vista thing |
| 04:18.45 | confused | I tried to boot into Vista |
| 04:18.57 | confused | Grub menu comes uup fine |
| 04:19.24 | confused | I guess this is one big pain in the butt. |
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| 04:20.10 | Wyzard | Google turns up http://lifehacker.com/software/troubleshooting/vista-tip--repair-bootmgr-is-missing-error-251733.php |
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| 04:20.23 | Wyzard | but I don't know or particularly care about how Vista boots |
| 04:21.12 | Wyzard | sounds like it has a brain-dead new bootloader |
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| 04:21.25 | Wyzard | You'll need to research that on your own, I guess; it isn't a Debian problem and I'm going to bed |
| 04:21.37 | confused | Thank you for your help. |
| 04:21.43 | Wyzard | Good luck with it |
| 04:21.45 | confused | Im halfway there |
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| 04:22.31 | r3c4ll | how apt-get is used for list the content of a package? |
| 04:22.59 | Throat | it's not |
| 04:23.06 | Throat | dpkg -L packagename |
| 04:23.06 | dpkg | No packages found matching packagename |
| 04:23.33 | nvz | confused: or maybe your not.. depends if you want to argue this matter in light of zeno's paradox |
| 04:24.08 | lil_cain | apt-cache show? |
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| 04:24.20 | lil_cain | @ r3c4ll |
| 04:25.09 | Throat | that just gives the description |
| 04:25.28 | r3c4ll | lil_cain, with apt-cache show i can't the content of the package |
| 04:25.37 | Throat | I think you can use apt-file update; apt-file list packagename |
| 04:26.03 | Throat | well |
| 04:26.13 | Throat | apt-get install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file list packagename |
| 04:26.14 | Throat | :) |
| 04:26.36 | Throat | perhaps aptitude can do the trick also |
| 04:26.37 | Throat | dunno |
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| 04:27.55 | Throat | but you have to do apt-file update additionally to apt-get update |
| 04:28.01 | Throat | they're not the same |
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| 04:30.43 | Throat | at least the nick r3c4ll is easy to remember |
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| 04:37.43 | hybridiZ1d | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:37.46 | hybridiZ1d | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:37.47 | hybridiZ1d | can someone please assist with this erro |
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| 04:38.45 | stew | hybridiZ1d: why are you using apache/php in /usr/local instead of installing them with apt-get? |
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| 04:39.18 | Amarande | ld.so.1? |
| 04:39.24 | Amarande | what in Light's name are you running, Bo? |
| 04:40.21 | Amarande | hybridiZ1d, that libphp4.so module is ... ok, how do I put it properly |
| 04:40.24 | Amarande | OLD |
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| 04:41.06 | Amarande | no, not just old. |
| 04:41.09 | Amarande | antique. |
| 04:41.17 | Amarande | why do you have libc5 stuff still on your box? |
| 04:41.36 | stew | Amarande: huh? how do you know how old his php4 module is? |
| 04:41.44 | Amarande | stew: because it's referring to ld.so.1 |
| 04:41.53 | Amarande | ld.so.1 was the dynamic linker back in the libc5 days :| |
| 04:42.04 | Amarande | ever since glibc came out, it's been ld-linux.so.2 |
| 04:42.12 | r3c4ll | thnxs Throat |
| 04:42.40 | Amarande | either his module or his httpd is compiled on libc5 |
| 04:42.54 | Amarande | and presumably he has libc5 on his system, since he has ld.so.1 |
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| 04:43.30 | Amarande | hybridiZ1d, it's time to get rid of that antique and install etch |
| 04:43.31 | jturek | what am i doing wrong? |
| 04:43.33 | jturek | 127 jturek@awk ~ % date |
| 04:43.34 | jturek | Tue May 8 04:42:54 UTC 2007 |
| 04:43.36 | jturek | jturek@awk ~ % hwclock |
| 04:43.38 | jturek | Tue 08 May 2007 12:43:03 AM UTC -0.816902 seconds |
| 04:43.43 | Amarande | jturek, pasting in channel, for starters |
| 04:43.51 | jturek | sorry - |
| 04:44.21 | jturek | my fluxbox is showing 04:44 but my timezone is set for eastern |
| 04:44.22 | Amarande | jturek, your hardware clock is set for Eastern Daylight Time |
| 04:44.45 | jturek | right, i want fluxbox and 'everywhere' to show EST |
| 04:44.45 | Amarande | I can't remember exactly how you fix that, though |
| 04:44.51 | Amarande | etch seems to fix it automatically |
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| 04:45.19 | stoned | !ntp |
| 04:45.20 | dpkg | well, ntp is the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntpdate ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
| 04:45.36 | jturek | stoned: i am running off a ntp server |
| 04:45.40 | jturek | already in syc |
| 04:45.46 | jturek | s/syc/sync |
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| 04:46.26 | Fetrovsky | how do I install new packages? |
| 04:46.37 | stew | Fetrovsky: aptitude install packagename |
| 04:46.43 | Fetrovsky | :D thanks |
| 04:46.58 | hybridiZ1d | how do i set permissions recursevly through my directors.. like chmod 766 from the top directory thruoghout all files and folders? |
| 04:47.12 | stoned | im pissed off at the japs right now. can't code worth a fuck.. |
| 04:47.13 | stew | hybridiZ1d: man chmod look for recursive |
| 04:47.14 | lil_cain | chmod -R |
| 04:47.19 | stoned | goddamit.. ARGH! |
| 04:47.22 | stoned | ima shut up |
| 04:47.28 | cafuego | good idea |
| 04:48.03 | Amarande | hybridiZ1d, directories should be 755, not 766 |
| 04:48.16 | Amarande | and I believe you can use find to return only directories |
| 04:48.28 | Amarande | but I still want to know why you're running an ancient version of Linux |
| 04:48.35 | stew | he's not |
| 04:48.39 | stew | he's running ubuntu |
| 04:48.43 | Amarande | stew, why does he have ld.so.1 then? |
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| 04:48.52 | stew | Amarande: i have no idea |
| 04:49.14 | Amarande | also, if you're running Ubuntu, you should try #ubuntu |
| 04:49.35 | Amarande | I'm beginning to feel like eating my words |
| 04:49.48 | Amarande | A few years ago I was like "why don't more dists use .deb" |
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| 04:49.53 | Amarande | :| |
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| 04:52.22 | vigneswari | hello all |
| 04:52.26 | vigneswari | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:52.31 | mmonix | does aptitude install the .desktop files for gdm to read when a window manager is grabbed, or is that done by another mechanism? |
| 04:52.43 | stew | vigneswari: please go to a channel specific to your os |
| 04:53.04 | sanelson | dpkg tell vigneswari about debian-based |
| 04:54.08 | mmonix | (seems like 2 separate .desktop files were created after i grabbed fvwm via aptitude) |
| 04:55.11 | stew | mmonix: what files exactly are you talking about? |
| 04:56.00 | mmonix | the config files that gdm uses for window manager execution (e.g. /usr/share/xsession/gnome.desktop) |
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| 05:00.49 | Amarande | vigneswari, actual debian, or knoppix/ubuntu etc.? |
| 05:01.07 | sanelson | mmonix: dpkg -S will tell you the package that provided a given file. |
| 05:01.36 | Amarande | stew, he said this in ##gnome too and the first impression I personally got was that he used debian |
| 05:01.55 | Amarande | "I am working on debian based OS" sounds like English isn't his first language, and I can imagine a Debian user saying that under such circumstances |
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| 05:04.24 | blenna | what switches should i apply when using fsck? |
| 05:05.03 | sanelson | the ones that do what you want it to do, presumably. |
| 05:05.05 | mmonix | sanelson: do you have /var/lib/menu-xdg/xsessions/X-Debian-WindowMangers-fvwm.desktop file? this wasn't found by dpkg (thx for that tip) so maybe it's default? |
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| 05:05.39 | Amarande | fvwm? wow |
| 05:05.45 | Amarande | I remember people using that back when I used Bo |
| 05:05.57 | Amarande | some software endures :) |
| 05:06.00 | sanelson | fvwm is cool; |
| 05:06.00 | mmonix | (legacy set-up i enjoy sometimes) |
| 05:06.12 | Amarande | I wonder if anyone still uses twm. |
| 05:06.15 | sanelson | Amarande: I'm using sawfish, still :) |
| 05:06.37 | stoned | !polls |
| 05:06.38 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 05:06.48 | Amarande | lol |
| 05:07.13 | vigneswari | Amarande, this is BOSS, debian based os |
| 05:07.19 | mmonix | hehe |
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| 05:07.58 | mmonix | (trying to figure out if that file was dropped in by aptitude or is there w/ stock debian) |
| 05:08.40 | vigneswari | Amarande, actually there is some permission problem. but i dont know where it is? |
| 05:08.41 | mmonix | (don't say "look at timestamp", because i already removed it - bleh) |
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| 05:09.07 | insta | anyone know of a good daemon that will broadcast to an icecast server without requiring a local soundcard or loopback cable? |
| 05:10.00 | foo | This is weird, I insatlled mysql... but it's not listening. When I nc localhost 3306, I don't get an ssh banner, nmap shows port closed when I nmap locally. Any ideas? |
| 05:10.08 | foo | But it is running, fyi |
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| 05:11.46 | insta | what's bind_address in /etc/mysql/my.cnf say? |
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| 05:12.09 | sanelson | mmonix: i've not seen such a file before; doesn't look like it comes with menu-xdg; if you've deleted the file you can't tell with dpkg, unless someone nows a "what-provides" incantation, but p.d.o. can give you an fvwm package contents (and deps) list. |
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| 05:14.37 | scx | incantation ? |
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| 05:17.59 | dub | Any idea why im getting "ls: error while loading shared libraries: libacl.so.1: cannot enable executable stack as shared object requires: Permission denied" |
| 05:18.34 | mmonix | sanelson: i think pdo will only show contents and deps in terms of other pkgs, not files .. correct? |
| 05:19.24 | mmonix | sanelsom: nope, i'm wrong .. i'll check it out |
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| 05:24.34 | dub | grsec kernel if thats of any interest |
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| 05:26.32 | sanelson | dub: sounds like selinux |
| 05:26.42 | sanelson | are you running unstable? |
| 05:27.38 | dub | sanelson, no 3.1 |
| 05:28.33 | mmonix | sanelson: used aptitude to purge and (re)install fvwm .. it _does_ put down both config files. only one of which is found by dpkg and pdo . . weird |
| 05:29.11 | sanelson | dub: how's your hungarian? |
| 05:29.23 | mmonix | sanelson: just irritating because it creates 2 entries (choices) in gdm session choice menu until 1 of them is deleted |
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| 05:29.58 | sanelson | erm mmonix |
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| 05:30.51 | sanelson | dub: http://hup.hu/node/30452 looks to be relevant... this looks familiar though. |
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| 05:32.06 | hybridiZ1d | can someone please assist me with something.. i have a index.cgi file and its not letting me execute it.. |
| 05:32.14 | hybridiZ1d | You don't have permission to access /phonedir/index.cgi on this server. |
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| 05:32.18 | hybridiZ1d | directory permissions are correct |
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| 05:33.19 | dub | sanelson, no hungarian unfortunately |
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| 05:42.11 | mhall | I love it! I just got a spam that claims it would help me reduce the load on my SMTP server. |
| 05:42.32 | pstickne | excellent! |
| 05:42.46 | Nemoder | sounds like extortion to me |
| 05:43.32 | mhall | lol |
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| 05:47.27 | foo | If I stop inetd from starting on bootup, will that cause any issues |
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| 05:49.49 | pstickne | foo: it depends on if you rely on any services that run through it or not. |
| 05:49.58 | foo | pstickne: nah, just mysql |
| 05:50.03 | foo | pstickne: Not proftpd with inetd or anything |
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| 05:52.28 | foo | pstickne: So, if the server has etch and just runs mysql... I don't need it, right? |
| 05:52.32 | foo | pstickne: really don't think so |
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| 05:53.39 | pstickne | unless you need mysql for something *shrug* |
| 05:53.59 | foo | pstickne: hm, I don't think mysql uses inetd. /me finds out |
| 05:54.18 | pstickne | just see what inetd services, if any, you have enabled |
| 05:54.29 | foo | Hm, how do I do that? |
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| 05:56.30 | tarzeau | Azar: morning |
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| 06:05.42 | dub | sweet, forcing libattr1_2.4.32-1_i386.deb seemed to clear it out |
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| 06:06.12 | dub | sanelson, thanks |
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| 06:10.23 | xarquid | ok, sooo ddcprobe says my laptop supports up to 1280x1024 but x/gnome screen resolution are only showing the mode 1280x800 |
| 06:10.47 | xarquid | and i have manually edited my xorg.conf to reflect the *available* display modes but it is not sticking when i reload x or even reboot |
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| 06:12.01 | pstickne | I always specify just one resolution in the X config--the one I want (I don't give it a choice) |
| 06:12.18 | xarquid | Just specify the one in every field |
| 06:12.26 | xarquid | If it's fux0red just go to a terminal fit it and restart x? |
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| 06:12.33 | xarquid | Will try it ;) Hope for the best hehe |
| 06:12.57 | pstickne | ctrl+alt+bkspace should get you out of a failed X; but more than likely it will kick you back itself |
| 06:13.20 | xarquid | aye |
| 06:13.21 | Vasistha | well, if you've got X set up to restart, then it will restart... |
| 06:13.39 | xarquid | it's weird, this mode it's using is not even on the ddcprobe list of modes for this intel card |
| 06:13.59 | xarquid | instead it's using 1280x800 ;p |
| 06:14.03 | xarquid | crazy x |
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| 06:18.30 | xarquid | sooo the gnome application still only displays that one resolution |
| 06:18.43 | xarquid | after adding that as my only entry but I *think* my resolution changed ;p |
| 06:18.48 | xarquid | so it must be a bug in the program |
| 06:19.15 | Vasistha | I'm not sure your reasoning is without error, but you can certainly think that! |
| 06:19.15 | daya | xarquid, hi |
| 06:19.31 | xarquid | vasistha: how so? |
| 06:19.32 | xarquid | hey daya |
| 06:19.47 | Vasistha | xarquid: what does the xorg log say? |
| 06:19.52 | daya | xarquid, I am facing error in local repo |
| 06:20.19 | daya | xarquid, how to create Release.gpg file |
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| 06:21.07 | Vasistha | daya: apt-ftparchive release . >Release |
| 06:21.35 | xarquid | vasistha: vas: which log file do you want the tail end of? |
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| 06:21.57 | Vasistha | xarquid: /var/log/Xorg.0.log I think is it |
| 06:22.50 | Vasistha | daya: and then to sign with gpg ... well, I sign it with my user's gpg account, not with root, but root owns the directory, so I do this: mkfifo pipe; cat pipe >Release.gpg & su david -c "gpg -abs -o pipe Release" |
| 06:23.11 | sanelson | foo: grep -v "#" /etc/inetd.conf |
| 06:23.11 | Vasistha | oops, forgot chown david pipe |
| 06:23.28 | sanelson | foo: sorry ^# |
| 06:24.00 | Vasistha | daya: if the same user who owns the repository is signing the release, then you don't have to jump through all those hoops ;) |
| 06:24.02 | xarquid | bah xorg log requires ipcalc |
| 06:24.04 | xarquid | and im tired |
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| 06:24.37 | xarquid | ugh nm |
| 06:24.39 | Vasistha | sanelson: I usually grep '^[^#]' as that will also throw out empty lines |
| 06:24.58 | xarquid | Size of device LFP (local flat panel) is 1280 x 800 |
| 06:25.09 | xarquid | So in turn this forces the rest of the file to use 1280 x 800 or something |
| 06:25.21 | Vasistha | xarquid: well, when you feel like getting around to it -- the xorg log should have a section where it determines what mode to use. Check that out, it might be informative. |
| 06:25.34 | xarquid | Lowest common panel size for pipe B is 1280 x 800 ... |
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| 06:25.42 | foo | sanelson: aha, thanks |
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| 06:26.09 | foo | sanelson: aha, thanks! |
| 06:26.46 | xarquid | all of the modes do not load correctly |
| 06:26.55 | sanelson | Vasistha: ah nice, i usually pipe through sed for that task, yours is much better. |
| 06:26.57 | xarquid | my video card supports that resolution, i know it does -- hehe |
| 06:27.08 | us | Is there any point to running Ubuntu vs Debian? What optmisations are provided in Etch debs? |
| 06:28.08 | netdaemon | ah |
| 06:28.10 | jabka | where can i find sources package for qt (what line should i add in sources.list) |
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| 06:29.10 | netdaemon | jabka: deb-src ftp://yourmirror main |
| 06:29.15 | xarquid | jabka: main |
| 06:29.16 | Vasistha | jabka: a deb source line looks just like a deb line, but it starts with deb-src instead of with deb. The source should be in the same repo as the package. |
| 06:29.21 | xarquid | it's in the main branch |
| 06:29.32 | xarquid | oh |
| 06:29.34 | xarquid | sources |
| 06:30.15 | Amarande | generally speaking, I tend to prefer to point deb-src to sid, regardless of what dist one is on |
| 06:30.33 | Amarande | but that's probably just because I figure, if I'm getting sources for something, it means I either don't want the version in etch, or it isn't *in* etch |
| 06:30.46 | Vasistha | us: the ubuntu folks do a lot of work to make certain things work, for example sony vaios. However, ubuntu doesn't have as much software as debian, and is not as stable. We don't usually discuss debian vs. ubuntu issues in here, though, so I would request that you ask elsewhere. We here don't really know enough about ubuntu to answer questions about differences. |
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| 06:31.08 | us | ok |
| 06:31.11 | xarquid | amarande: sid? |
| 06:31.33 | us | Can I ask whether Etch has package optimisation? |
| 06:31.35 | xarquid | unstable debian? |
| 06:31.40 | us | by default |
| 06:31.55 | Vasistha | us: I don't really know what "package optimization" is, and I've never heard anyone talk about it in here. |
| 06:31.58 | sanelson | dpkg tell us about ask |
| 06:31.58 | xarquid | What do you mean by optimization? Ubuntu does not do this either. |
| 06:31.58 | dpkg | sanelson wants you to know: If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 06:32.18 | xarquid | I think you are referring to something concerning like what portage in Gentoo *claims* to do by compiling from source |
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| 06:32.28 | xarquid | But this is just me attempted to translate what you may or may not mean |
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| 06:32.46 | EdwardElric | i think thats what he means too |
| 06:32.55 | Vasistha | hehe, oh yeah, by spending 15 hours compiling Xorg, you can find a 1.2% performance improvement |
| 06:32.58 | us | well it's packages compiled so they run faster on certain CPU's - e.g. 686 |
| 06:33.00 | humbolto | I am having trouble with one of my software raids |
| 06:33.07 | jabka | thnx ppl |
| 06:33.08 | us | *It's She* |
| 06:33.10 | EdwardElric | only packages i know that are optimized are the kernels |
| 06:33.14 | xarquid | Which in either case neither Ubuntu or Debian do "portage" type things unless YOU want to compile by source yourself |
| 06:33.16 | EdwardElric | which is the important ones |
| 06:33.18 | EdwardElric | ;) |
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| 06:33.35 | Vasistha | us: for the kernel, yes. for packages in general, no (well, I suppose there are a few for 64-bit vs 32-bit) |
| 06:33.53 | xarquid | basically, kernels come with the cd or net install to fit your pc |
| 06:33.55 | humbolto | After the mainboard crashed, I moved my sata software raid disks to a new machine. there I am told somehow it can't boot, because the UIDs are not right or found. |
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| 06:34.07 | xarquid | and you can always re-compile |
| 06:34.20 | dondelelcaro | there are a few 686 libraries; but generally it doesn't make enough difference to bother |
| 06:34.22 | humbolto | Is there anyone who could help me with my RAID problem? |
| 06:34.22 | us | I know theres libc-686 etc. Ok. Well cool. Now I know. |
| 06:34.42 | htmljunkie_ | anyone here a freenode staffer? |
| 06:34.55 | Vasistha | us: oh yeah ... yeah, there are just a couple packages like that, but they are few and far between. |
| 06:35.06 | xarquid | htmljunkie_: There are a few in the channel...but why not go to #freenode? ;p |
| 06:35.09 | Vasistha | htmljunkie_: /stats p (or, if that fails) /who *freenode/staff* |
| 06:35.15 | htmljunkie_ | I did |
| 06:35.21 | us | Also I want to know if there are Etch splashy pkgs that work.. the ones listed under the bot are for Sarge.. |
| 06:35.23 | htmljunkie_ | no one seemed to be at their comps |
| 06:35.28 | htmljunkie_ | lol |
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| 06:35.45 | htmljunkie_ | I'm just trying to learn how to make a channe lstay on the network that I make |
| 06:35.51 | us | And I have googled and yahoo'd |
| 06:35.55 | htmljunkie_ | so that it will be there tomorrow and etc |
| 06:36.04 | xarquid | htmljunkie_: /msg ChanServ HELP REGISTER |
| 06:36.06 | dondelelcaro | us: but you haven't tried apt-get install splashy; apparently. |
| 06:36.09 | xarquid | That will get you going. |
| 06:36.11 | htmljunkie_ | thanks |
| 06:36.17 | jabka | im trieng to get qt4 source (to start lerarning qt) but im unable to find source : apt-get source qt4 returns E:unable ... |
| 06:36.30 | us | Ah yes |
| 06:36.34 | us | I have actually. |
| 06:36.38 | xarquid | jabka: Did you add the src-* lines to your sources.list? |
| 06:36.44 | jabka | yep |
| 06:36.52 | xarquid | Did you apt-get update? |
| 06:36.54 | Vasistha | us: packages.debian.org says it's only in unstable :P |
| 06:36.57 | dondelelcaro | jabka: there's no qt4 source package. It's qt4-x11 |
| 06:36.57 | jabka | yep |
| 06:36.58 | us | E: Package splashy has no installation candidate |
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| 06:37.12 | us | That's not what I asked. |
| 06:37.21 | dondelelcaro | well, backport it or find a backport |
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| 06:37.30 | dondelelcaro | it's not all that difficult to do |
| 06:37.42 | Vasistha | !simple sid backport |
| 06:37.43 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly. |
| 06:37.48 | xarquid | For qt go take a look at packages.debian.org/testing/source/qt-x11-free |
| 06:37.53 | us | A simple no would have sufficed. |
| 06:38.17 | xarquid | For individual packages in a web listing format or use the proper apt commands to filter the list |
| 06:38.42 | jabka | dondelelcaro : he says he cant find one .. |
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| 06:38.59 | Vasistha | dutchfish: please don't /msg me, just ask the channel |
| 06:39.03 | dondelelcaro | jabka: you want something like apt-get source qt4-doc; or simliar. |
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| 06:39.23 | dondelelcaro | jabka: or visit p.d.o and download the source there |
| 06:39.25 | jabka | i have add deb-src mymirror unstable non-free contrib |
| 06:39.33 | xarquid | splashy --> http://alioth.debian.org/projects/splashy/ |
| 06:39.36 | dutchfish | how to get a list of factoids from dpkg? |
| 06:39.41 | dondelelcaro | !your factoids |
| 06:39.42 | dpkg | My factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ They are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. there is a searchable database of my factoids at http://dpkg.vireo.org/ |
| 06:39.45 | xarquid | Download it and sudo dpkg -i splashy* |
| 06:41.32 | xarquid | jabka: Did you see anything we said concerning the correct package names? |
| 06:42.00 | jabka | qt4-x11 not found |
| 06:42.15 | xarquid | what about qt-x11-free ? |
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| 06:42.42 | jabka | nope |
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| 06:44.28 | jabka | even apt-cache search source qt4|grep x11 return nada |
| 06:45.05 | netdaemon | perhaps its in contrib? |
| 06:45.31 | jabka | i add contrib in deb-src |
| 06:46.04 | daya | Vasistha, Is there is any detail link for creating .gpg file |
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| 06:46.14 | Vasistha | daya: well, there's man gpg |
| 06:46.33 | xarquid | also do a google search for "gpg debian how to" and you'll get some good results |
| 06:46.51 | xarquid | i used the second link and third ones just the other day as reference |
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| 06:47.10 | Vasistha | daya: if your permissions are easy (unlike mine) then you probably just want gpg -abs -o Release.gpg Release |
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| 06:47.26 | jabka | at last i found it .. (i missed the main entry in server) |
| 06:47.37 | UltraBread | hi |
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| 06:47.45 | UltraBread | i was told debiaqn has best packagem anager |
| 06:47.50 | UltraBread | making it perfect for newbies? |
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| 06:48.17 | dondelelcaro | UltraBread: it's not clear that it's perfect for newbies, but it is great for people who don't want to waste time administering their machines |
| 06:48.38 | dondelelcaro | UltraBread: if you're a newbie who is capable of reading manuals, then it's fine for you |
| 06:48.45 | UltraBread | do debian people strictly use KDE? |
| 06:48.48 | xarquid | no |
| 06:48.52 | jabka | anyone with kxdocker unstable ? |
| 06:48.53 | dondelelcaro | UltraBread: no; we use almost anything you can imagine. |
| 06:49.09 | dondelelcaro | from gnome to kde to xfce to no DM at all. |
| 06:49.15 | dondelelcaro | s/DM/DE? |
| 06:49.37 | xarquid | to fluxbox to enlightment ;) |
| 06:49.50 | jabka | i noticed that only on unstable version when you use FF the name tags will appear even if you move your mouse from an icon |
| 06:50.11 | UltraBread | lets say i have WUXGA display, can in be ran on native resolution in run level 3? |
| 06:50.28 | dondelelcaro | UltraBread: assuming your video card is supported, yes. |
| 06:50.42 | foo | If I am not using bind on a system, I probably don't need lwresd - right? |
| 06:50.44 | UltraBread | well it isn't thati s the catch |
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| 06:50.53 | UltraBread | iti s too new..and it is ati. |
| 06:51.17 | dondelelcaro | UltraBread: which ati is it? |
| 06:51.21 | Frizz0 | hi |
| 06:51.30 | UltraBread | X1950Pro |
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| 06:52.39 | dondelelcaro | UltraBread: supposedly the radeon driver supports that video card. |
| 06:52.48 | Amarande | UltraBread, I use GNOME, personally. |
| 06:52.57 | Amarande | and I'm still not entirely sure on that WM thing. |
| 06:53.05 | Amarande | If you use gnome |
| 06:53.19 | UltraBread | dondelelcaro: thatm eans radeon driver is updated once in a while? |
| 06:53.22 | Amarande | and also install and use a window manager that also has theme capability |
| 06:53.30 | dondelelcaro | UltraBread: it's constantly being updated |
| 06:53.30 | Amarande | do applications follow the gnome theme or the WM's? |
| 06:54.19 | dondelelcaro | Amarande: they follow the toolkit theme, whatever that is |
| 06:54.24 | UltraBread | dondelelcaro: that's g ood, ati's driver is a constant trouble |
| 06:54.48 | ma3x | helloo, can I patch current linux kernel image with badmem patch? |
| 06:55.01 | ma3x | I want to apply http://rick.vanrein.org/linux/badram/software/BadRAM-2.6.18.1.patch but I don't know how |
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| 06:55.07 | ma3x | anyone willing to guide me? |
| 06:55.08 | Amarande | ahh, so GTK things would still go with gnome and generic X would go with the WM's then, I'm supposing |
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| 06:56.17 | ma3x | any idea how to apply BadRAM-2.6.18.1.patch ? |
| 06:56.19 | Vasistha | ma3x: first of all, you might want to use the actual debian badram package |
| 06:56.26 | ma3x | Vasistha, it has one? |
| 06:56.36 | ma3x | yesterday somebody told me there isn't a package deb |
| 06:56.40 | Vasistha | ma3x: always check p.d.o ;) |
| 06:56.55 | ma3x | what's the package name then? |
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| 06:57.10 | ma3x | oh I see |
| 06:57.14 | ma3x | kernel-patch-badram |
| 06:57.16 | Vasistha | ma3x: just go to p.d.o and search for badram, you'll find it ... erm, kernel-patch-badram |
| 06:57.51 | Vasistha | ma3x: although I don't actually know how to apply kernel patches :P |
| 06:58.37 | ma3x | I tried to type !patch but dpkg has insructions only for .bz2 files |
| 06:58.43 | humbolto | howto rescue a software raid array? |
| 06:59.20 | ma3x | is there a tool or software that allows to test a "given" address in the ram module? |
| 06:59.35 | ma3x | ie not all adresses, but just one specified by me |
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| 07:04.52 | dimir | Moin! |
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| 07:06.06 | ma3x | hi Eulex |
| 07:06.29 | daya | Vasistha, I am trying to install debian through the network from local repo , I booted it from netinstall CD , everything goes right , but after package selection is just hangs saying please wait |
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| 07:06.55 | daya | Vasistha, I wait for about 30min , but nothing happen, |
| 07:07.22 | Vasistha | daya: why are you asking me? ask the channel. |
| 07:09.18 | xarquid | daya: make sure the packages "selected" are available and the repo server is available via another terminal in the install (can you get to a terminal?) |
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| 07:12.16 | daya | xarquid, repo is working well I can successfully install software from other machine, but the terminal, where i am trying to install supports minimal command |
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| 07:12.36 | Eulex | elo ma3x |
| 07:12.52 | ma3x | Eulex, you know anything about faulty ram? |
| 07:13.55 | Eulex | ma3x, got an old compaq with faulty ram lying around... was considering getting new ram for it or using something like the badram kernel patch on it... but never got around to it. noone's using it nowadays either. |
| 07:14.24 | ma3x | I don't understand this badram patch |
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| 07:15.43 | Eulex | ma3x, in any case, when I asked around I got recommended to try to get new memory instead of messing around with kernel patches |
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| 07:16.33 | ma3x | my memory is 512 mb. why if only 1 mb does not function, should I throw it away? |
| 07:17.05 | Vasistha | because a headache is more expensive than a new stick of ram? Well, that's the common argument, I guess |
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| 07:18.07 | ma3x | I always get the same faulty address in ram. So if I could just mark it somewhere into grub for example, that would be great |
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| 07:22.59 | foo | when I run "hostname -f" it should spit something out that is pingable to the outside world, right? |
| 07:24.15 | nvz | foo: not nessicarily |
| 07:24.22 | nvz | mine prints localhost |
| 07:24.35 | nvz | which isnt pingable outside my box much less on my NATted network |
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| 07:25.01 | Vasistha | !nickometer P3rsp1c4Z |
| 07:25.03 | dpkg | 'P3rsp1c4Z' is 52.000% lame, vasistha |
| 07:25.20 | Vasistha | no offense dude, I just had to ask :P |
| 07:25.35 | nvz | dpkg, nick-o-meter Vasistha |
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| 07:25.54 | ApEtc | ma3x: I've never used badram, but IIRC it offers a way to tell the kernel what parts of RAM should not be used. Unfortunately if the error is occuring before the kernel even loads (like at GRUB), I'm not sure it can help. |
| 07:26.08 | Vasistha | nickometer doesn't like mixing letters and numbers. The lamest nick I've found, though, is: __________________ |
| 07:26.12 | sangriag | hi, I landed here as my debian-etch on amd64 laptop has no sound output all of a sudden. I checked with alsaconf and it could detect the harware. Could anyone guide me how to get back the audio? |
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| 07:26.38 | Vasistha | sangriag: maybe with the alsa mixer? perhaps alsamix? |
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| 07:27.00 | sangriag | alsamixer shows that the master and pcm has 100% volume |
| 07:27.16 | nvz | sangriag: my box just did the same thing baffling the shit out of me |
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| 07:27.19 | mkl1525 | Hi, trying to install a prog using make. but it fails complaining that "cc" command is not found should * just link gcc to /usr/bin/cc or is there a special prog that I haven't found with apt-file? |
| 07:27.26 | ApEtc | Vasistha: Certain types of capitalization also seem to upset it. |
| 07:27.27 | ma3x | ApEtc, I run memtest86+ and it's giving me the faulty address, but not the badram= just like on bottom of this picture http://www.aizak.net/pics/badram.jpg |
| 07:27.42 | hark | mkl1525: install build-essential |
| 07:28.11 | ApEtc | ma3x: Interesting. My guess would be there is an option somewhere in memtest to turn that on. |
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| 07:28.15 | mkl1525 | hark, thanks will try it |
| 07:28.28 | ApEtc | ma3x: I've seen those lines above it, but not the badram lines themselves. I normally just discard the chip when it happens. :) |
| 07:28.28 | sangriag | nvz: then how did you solve the problem? |
| 07:28.55 | nvz | sangriag: I didn't I still cant figure it out.. no errors sound records and plays, I just dont hear it |
| 07:29.03 | ma3x | ApEtc, I have this faulty address 0000000008c and it says 0,0 MB |
| 07:29.12 | ma3x | I guess that's somewhere in the beginning of the ram memory |
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| 07:29.28 | indraveni | hi |
| 07:29.34 | indraveni | I am using Debian etch |
| 07:29.44 | foo | nvz: but on a production server... hmm. |
| 07:29.51 | indraveni | and if I am enabling the system sounds then I am not able to play the songs |
| 07:30.10 | ApEtc | 8c would be VERY early. :) |
| 07:30.16 | indraveni | its showing an error mesage like , another application is using the sound card |
| 07:31.18 | sangriag | nvz: is that a bug or it needs other libraries? |
| 07:31.18 | sangriag | I meant like libesd-alsa0 instead of libesd0 |
| 07:31.18 | PerfDave | indraveni: What do you mean by "enabling the system sounds"? |
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| 07:31.34 | indraveni | PerfDave, From Desktop -> Preferences -> Sound |
| 07:31.56 | PerfDave | indraveni: in Gnome? |
| 07:31.56 | hark | Gnome and ESD probably |
| 07:31.56 | indraveni | PerfDave, yes |
| 07:31.56 | nvz | sangriag: I have no idea what the problem is.. I don't use any sound daemons. I just installed a sb live the other day and ran alsaconf and all worked long enough for me to record and playback two, two minute clips then sound output just quit like my speakers are broken |
| 07:31.57 | indraveni | PerfDave, yes in gnome |
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| 07:32.04 | PerfDave | indraveni: Ah, no idea then, I don't use Gnome. Sorry. |
| 07:32.15 | indraveni | hmm |
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| 07:32.20 | hark | indraveni: you have libesd-alsa0 installed? |
| 07:32.27 | nvz | sangriag: I tried headphones, different cables.. tried different output ports.. etc cant get anything put hissing when I turn up the master volume |
| 07:32.30 | indraveni | hagbard, I will check |
| 07:32.46 | sangriag | nvz: same here |
| 07:32.50 | hark | indraveni: better yet, just use alsa :) |
| 07:32.50 | sangriag | :-( |
| 07:32.53 | indraveni | hark, no its not installed |
| 07:33.12 | indraveni | hark, shall I install that package and check |
| 07:33.13 | nvz | sangriag: its pissin me off cause I never use the damn sound card then I get a mic and want to do some recording and shit and its being all stupid with me |
| 07:33.34 | indraveni | hark, if I am doing alsaconf, then its disabling my system sounds thus its playing the songs |
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| 07:33.50 | nvz | sangriag: the part that is really getting me is that there are no errors all signs point to periprehal |
| 07:33.52 | hark | indraveni: gstreamer-properties |
| 07:33.56 | nvz | blah |
| 07:34.05 | nvz | damn enter key |
| 07:34.20 | sangriag | nvz: no clue at all what is wrong at my end, too and making me chase a wild goose. |
| 07:34.34 | indraveni | hark, you want me to install gstreamer-properties package also? |
| 07:34.46 | hark | indraveni: it will be installed |
| 07:34.58 | sangriag | indraveni: run gstreamer-properties as root and select alsa |
| 07:35.02 | hark | indraveni: just run it and choose the audio sink or something |
| 07:35.22 | indraveni | hark, ok i will check |
| 07:35.24 | nvz | sangriag: yeah I'm not using 64 bit.. but I am using etch.. and it just occured at random the other night.. one minute I am listening to a thing I recorded, next minute I am recording another and seeing the waveform indicating its recording, then I go to play it back and no sound |
| 07:36.04 | nvz | sangriag: I've adjusted the mixer, rebooted, re-run alsaconf, checked the card itself, tried different speakers/headphones, cables, outputs.. cant get any sound at all |
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| 07:36.27 | indraveni | hark, I dont have gstreamer-properties command |
| 07:36.57 | sangriag | I tried by replaceing libesd0 with libesd-alsa0 but without success. Maybe you can try to see if it works at your end |
| 07:37.08 | nvz | sangriag: seems to be opening the mixer fine and reading/writing to the card as normal all signs point to external equipment which I've verified to be working by plugging it into other mp3 players |
| 07:37.16 | nvz | sangriag: I dont use either |
| 07:37.42 | nvz | sangriag: I don't have any need or interest in sound daemons or their libraries |
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| 07:38.21 | ma3x | how do I open .gz files with grapical text tool? |
| 07:38.31 | hark | sangriag: does sound work with alsa? any errors? is something using the sound card? |
| 07:38.39 | nvz | ma3x: what? |
| 07:38.48 | Vasistha | ma3x: you unzip them with gunzip, and then open with a graphical tool. Or just use zless |
| 07:38.49 | sangriag | hark: no errors shown |
| 07:38.56 | sangriag | hark: i use alsa |
| 07:38.59 | ma3x | like graphical zless tool |
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| 07:39.01 | hark | ma3x: file-roller/ark does it.. depends on your environment |
| 07:39.02 | ma3x | is there no such thing |
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| 07:39.24 | sangriag | hark and there is no process that uses the sound card. |
| 07:39.50 | nvz | ma3x: and I believe firefox/iceweasel nativly understands gzip and plaintext files as well |
| 07:40.11 | ma3x | ok |
| 07:40.16 | nvz | clicking on a Releases.gz for example on a debian mirror would view it in plain text |
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| 07:40.53 | ma3x | well here it would try to download it |
| 07:41.01 | ma3x | (iceweasel) |
| 07:41.07 | hark | sangriag: heh, sounds just like nvz's problem a couple of days back |
| 07:41.13 | indraveni | hark, I am not finding any audio-sink option in gstreamer |
| 07:41.22 | indraveni | hark, I am not finding any audio-sink option in gstreamer-properties |
| 07:41.32 | sangriag | hark: yes, nvz also said the same |
| 07:41.34 | sangriag | :-( |
| 07:41.35 | nvz | hark: I'm still having the same problem |
| 07:41.52 | nvz | hark: happened entirely at random like my card just died or something |
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| 07:43.00 | nvz | hark: I had recorded my guitar 2, 1 min clps and playedthem back doing tests on the recording quality, then a moment later I hit record in audacity and I see the sound wave appearing but when I play it back there is silence.. now no sound comes out of my pc from any apps |
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| 07:43.08 | ais | Hello |
| 07:43.23 | ais | Is there anyone that can help me to Install RT? |
| 07:43.34 | ais | on my new Debian 4.0 |
| 07:43.43 | tarzeau | request tracker? |
| 07:43.46 | ais | yes, |
| 07:43.47 | nvz | hark: I've shut the machine down and checked the card, run alsconf, adjusted the mixer to 100% all the way across, tried headphones, tried both output ports.. etc |
| 07:43.59 | hark | nvz: but when you play something, you can see the sound waves thing.. just no sound. right? |
| 07:44.00 | nvz | it works without error, but also without sound |
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| 07:44.18 | scx | How can I set an program to always run at an specific speed by default? |
| 07:44.50 | tarzeau | scx: like for example? |
| 07:45.03 | nvz | hark: in audacity I can see the output visulizer and also the sound waves being recorded.. but normally I just use cplay with standard mpg321, madplay, ogg123, music123.. type backends and no visulization |
| 07:45.18 | scx | mmm... dunno, lmms with -10 |
| 07:45.28 | tarzeau | scx: you mean reniced? |
| 07:45.43 | nvz | hark: I just stopped messing with it cause it would have caused me to destroy the only computer I currently have that works |
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| 07:46.04 | nvz | I was so pissed. I had just gotten the microphone and was doing testing so I could record some fucking songs |
| 07:46.13 | scx | tarzeau: yes, I know I can alias and place scripts and such, but I want lmms to always run with -10 |
| 07:46.15 | hybridiZ1d | hi guys i have a file "mysql-4.0.21-sol9-sparc-local.gz" how can i extract the contents to a new directory in my current working directory? |
| 07:46.17 | scx | (nice) |
| 07:46.20 | indraveni | hark, I am not finding any audio-sink option in gstreamer-properties |
| 07:46.22 | hybridiZ1d | just like tar xvzf file.tar.gz does |
| 07:46.35 | hybridiZ1d | that was an example file name |
| 07:46.38 | hark | nvz: heh, you've had your share of sound problems.. i remember the flash sound problems earlier as well |
| 07:46.45 | ais | <tarzeau> , can you help with the install? |
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| 07:47.12 | nvz | I guess I could still record but I'd have to fucking transfer them to my mp3 player to hear them and shit.. it would make recording a decent track impossible |
| 07:47.14 | hark | indraveni: what does the screen say.. it'll allow you to pick Alsa or esd and you can test it out as well |
| 07:47.16 | foo | When, does a hostname on a server only *need* to resolve when it's a mailserver? |
| 07:47.23 | scx | tarzeau: I guess there's a 'proper' way |
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| 07:48.11 | tarzeau | ais: no, i hate rt |
| 07:48.21 | ais | <tarzeau> why? |
| 07:48.30 | tarzeau | scx: start it with nice... |
| 07:48.36 | hark | indraveni: but did you check after installing the esd alsa package whether it allows you to have system sounds as well? |
| 07:48.37 | indraveni | hark, yes there is something like ESD and Alsa |
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| 07:48.42 | mynullvoid | hi all |
| 07:48.46 | indraveni | hark, its by default using Alsa |
| 07:48.51 | hybridiZ1d | hi guys i have a file "mysql-4.0.21-sol9-sparc-local.gz" how can i extract the contents to a new directory in my current working directory? |
| 07:48.52 | mynullvoid | hello all |
| 07:48.55 | hybridiZ1d | just like tar xvzf file.tar.gz does |
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| 07:48.56 | tarzeau | ais: it's crap software, the raped ^2 |
| 07:48.59 | indraveni | hark, yes I checked, its not allowing |
| 07:49.07 | hark | indraveni: then you shouldn't be hearing system sounds |
| 07:49.08 | mynullvoid | what is the package to install so that I got nslookup? |
| 07:49.09 | nvz | hark: yeah well I figured that out with some stracing. this makes 0 sense. turning up the master vol even makes the fucking speakers hiss and I cant get any sound from them |
| 07:49.15 | indraveni | hark, do I need to restart my system after installing |
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| 07:49.26 | ais | <tarzeau> anyway But can you help me to install it? |
| 07:49.31 | mynullvoid | I installed host but still there is no nslookup |
| 07:49.34 | tarzeau | ais: 09:48 < tarzeau> ais: no, i hate rt |
| 07:49.36 | indraveni | i will restarting my system sounds |
| 07:49.39 | indraveni | jsut a moment |
| 07:49.45 | ais | <tarzeau> ok |
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| 07:49.58 | hark | nvz: maybe try #alsa out.. they might have some suggestions |
| 07:50.01 | ais | Anyone that can help me to install RT on my Debian machine? |
| 07:50.11 | ais | (request tracker) |
| 07:50.12 | nvz | hark: ah well nm, its working now just as mysteriously as it stopped the other day |
| 07:50.22 | tarzeau | ais: yes, www.debian.org/consultants |
| 07:50.26 | scx | tarzeau: :) Yeah, That's what I do, an alias to run it with that nice, I just wonder if there's some way such as: export EDITOR=/usr/bin/something |
| 07:50.40 | nvz | hark: though who fuckin cares now.. I'm in no mood to play the guitar now |
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| 07:50.49 | PerfDave | ais: apt-get install request-tracker3.6 |
| 07:51.05 | nvz | I was all fuckin ready to go the other day.. plus I broke my headphones now |
| 07:51.33 | nvz | the whole plan was to be able to hear music in my headphones while I recorded to keep me on time without feeding back |
| 07:51.55 | mynullvoid | !nslookup |
| 07:51.58 | ais | <PerfDave> I know that but I have some problems with the apache2 and perl |
| 07:52.11 | ais | <PerfDave> maybe you can help me ? |
| 07:52.22 | PerfDave | ais: Why are you misquoting me? |
| 07:52.28 | hark | mynullvoid: dnsutils |
| 07:52.36 | scx | tarzeau: not important though, just curious actually |
| 07:52.39 | scx | :) |
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| 07:53.20 | hark | nvz: but, yay! it works now!! |
| 07:53.27 | ais | <PerfDave> request-tracker3.6 needs that apache2 and perl is running |
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| 07:53.52 | PerfDave | ais: Please stop misquoting me. |
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| 07:54.03 | PerfDave | ais: I didn't say that. |
| 07:54.08 | hark | mynullvoid: /msg dpkg search |
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| 07:54.26 | ais | PerfDave> ? |
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| 07:54.44 | PerfDave | ais: When you say <foo> blah, you're quoting foo as saying blah. |
| 07:54.53 | mynullvoid | hark: but it don't tell what package it is in |
| 07:55.14 | foo | PerfDave: Oh, I'll quote you alright. |
| 07:55.16 | foo | PerfDave: :P |
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| 07:55.22 | nvz | hark: yeah too little too late. I'm too pissed off at this girl to record shit for her now even if I had all teh equipment in working order |
| 07:55.25 | ais | PerfDave, sorry iam new :-) |
| 07:55.54 | PerfDave | ais: That's OK. Stick to colons or commas :) |
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| 07:56.12 | hark | mynullvoid: apt-file will tell you, or check p.d.o |
| 07:56.16 | ais | PerfDave: ok, I wil do that |
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| 07:56.29 | PerfDave | ais: Anyway, you probably want to look at /usr/share/doc/request-tracker3.6/INSTALL.Debian.gz |
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| 07:56.32 | mynullvoid | p.d.o? what's that man |
| 07:56.50 | PerfDave | ais: That is, assuming that RT 3.6 is the same as 3.4; I'm running Sarge still which doesn't have 3.6 |
| 07:56.54 | hark | mynullvoid: packages.debian.org :) |
| 07:57.05 | mynullvoid | ok |
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| 07:57.16 | ais | PerfDave: yes, I will call my selv new in thin debian world therefor I have some problems.' |
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| 07:57.32 | PerfDave | ais: That document will walk you through RT configuration, database configuration and Apache configuration. |
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| 07:59.11 | ais | PerfDave: Can i PM you? |
| 07:59.31 | hark | nvz: well, you could play some loud angsty rock metal stuff .. let the frustations out :) |
| 07:59.41 | PerfDave | ais: I'd rather you didn't. We tend to help each other in the open on #debian so others can learn and help. |
| 07:59.56 | ais | PerfDave: ok thats ok |
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| 08:03.13 | scx | I don't use emoticons, what is this: @_@ ? |
| 08:03.21 | scx | angry or surprise? |
| 08:04.01 | haxality | crazy at-eyes |
| 08:04.10 | scx | ah, |
| 08:04.12 | PerfDave | scx: I think it's perl for "open standard input" |
| 08:04.28 | scx | :s |
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| 08:05.24 | nvz | hark: I dont plan on letting the frustration out until I've put enough space between us. |
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| 08:05.57 | indraveni | hark, during some installation process, some of the packages were uninstalled |
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| 08:06.14 | indraveni | hark, so i dont have gstreamer-properties command in my system |
| 08:06.37 | indraveni | hark, could you please tell me, which pckg installation will give me that command |
| 08:06.54 | ais | brb |
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| 08:07.49 | hark | indraveni: moment |
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| 08:09.25 | indraveni | hark, I am going for lunch, you please type the info, I will check after I return, Thanks |
| 08:10.17 | PerfDave | indraveni: Please disable whatever script is doing that. We don't all need to see when you're away for lunch, IRC has /away for that. |
| 08:10.27 | ais | PerfDave: can you help me step by step= |
| 08:10.40 | PerfDave | ais: Did you read the installation documentation? |
| 08:11.01 | ais | PerfDave: yes, but there is one command that dosent work |
| 08:11.11 | PerfDave | ais: What command is that? |
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| 08:11.19 | tarzeau | can i disable firewire support in the debian installer? |
| 08:11.20 | ogamiitto | I have a problem when configuring a machine with 2 network interfaces in debian etch, when I do /etc/init.d/networking restart default gateway is not in route table |
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| 08:12.17 | PerfDave | ogamiitto: So put it in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 08:12.26 | ogamiitto | yes |
| 08:12.32 | scx | tarzeau: modprobe -r |
| 08:12.41 | ogamiitto | i just added configuration for the second interface (the private one) |
| 08:12.47 | tarzeau | scx: i'm using preseeding, is there no kernel parameter or something alike? |
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| 08:12.57 | foo | hm, I have this in apache2.conf: apache2.conf:AddType application/x-httpd-php .php ... and I have mods-enabled/php5.load:LoadModule php5_module /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so ... but apache is still asking me to download the .php files, any ideas? |
| 08:12.58 | aiss | PerfDave: back again |
| 08:13.00 | tarzeau | scx: i guess i'll just my own kernel without firewire support? |
| 08:13.13 | PerfDave | tarzeau: There appears to be a "nofirewire" kernel command-line parameter you can use |
| 08:13.13 | aiss | I have problems with my connection |
| 08:13.22 | tarzeau | PerfDave: thanks will try that |
| 08:13.25 | PerfDave | aiss: What command is not working for you? |
| 08:13.57 | scx | tarzeau: either compile your own without suppor or maodrope -r |
| 08:14.08 | tarzeau | scx: or use nofirewire |
| 08:14.20 | aiss | PerfDave:this command apt-get install libcgi-fast-perl apache2-mpm-prefork libapache2-mod-fastcgi |
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| 08:15.22 | PerfDave | aiss: And what error does that command give you? |
| 08:15.34 | PerfDave | aiss: Incidentally, I've only ever used RT with mod_perl, not fastcgi. |
| 08:15.52 | aiss | broken packages |
| 08:15.54 | ogamiitto | PerfDave, here is the configuration file: http://paste.debian.net/27428 |
| 08:16.12 | aiss | libapache2-mod-fstcgi |
| 08:16.16 | PerfDave | aiss: Please paste the full command output on http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 08:16.34 | aiss | PerfDave: So I dont need fastcgi? |
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| 08:17.07 | PerfDave | aiss: You can use mod_perl or fastcgi. |
| 08:17.43 | aiss | okay, but you will recomend mod_perl? |
| 08:18.12 | PerfDave | aiss: mod_perl is what I've used. That's not necessarily a recommendation. |
| 08:18.22 | aiss | ok |
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| 08:18.37 | aiss | can you tell me the command that can install mod_perl |
| 08:18.37 | PerfDave | ogamiitto: Does eth0 come up after /etc/init.d/networking restart? |
| 08:18.45 | ogamiitto | yes |
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| 08:18.53 | PerfDave | ogamiitto: Even if you take it down by hand beforehand? |
| 08:18.58 | ogamiitto | yes |
| 08:19.14 | aiss | PerfDave:insted of this command apt-get install libcgi-fast-perl apache2-mpm-prefork libapache2-mod-fastcgi |
| 08:19.19 | PerfDave | ogamiitto: Is the gateway IP in the same network as the eth0 static IP? |
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| 08:19.36 | PerfDave | aiss: You want libapache2-mod-perl2 |
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| 08:19.49 | ogamiitto | yes, i can add it by hand and it works |
| 08:20.26 | ogamiitto | PerfDave, working now, thanks! |
| 08:20.33 | aiss | PerfDave: yes that work! |
| 08:20.47 | aiss | installed |
| 08:20.47 | tarzeau | oh no gaim was renamed to pidgin? |
| 08:20.49 | hark | indraveni: it's part of gnome-media, but i don't understand what the problem is... |
| 08:20.57 | hark | !pidgin |
| 08:20.58 | dpkg | i guess pidgin is formerly gaim, but due to trademark issues with AOL over the acronym AIM, had its name changed to Pidgin. libgaim is now libpurple and gaim-text is now Finch. |
| 08:21.11 | aiss | next step is installing request-tracker |
| 08:21.41 | scx | tarzeau: no worries, it still sucks the same way |
| 08:21.56 | tarzeau | scx: i had no doubts on that |
| 08:21.57 | aiss | I cant find the newest request-tracker with apt-get. also 3.6 |
| 08:22.09 | PerfDave | aiss: If you hadn't installed Reqeust Tracker, how could you read /usr/share/doc/request-tracker3.6/INSTALL.Debian.gz ? |
| 08:22.11 | tarzeau | scx: i'd have renamed it to gaym |
| 08:22.36 | aiss | PerfDave: because I reinstalled my debian |
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| 08:22.46 | aiss | because I had some problem with my apache2 |
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| 08:23.01 | PerfDave | aiss: in 10 minutes? |
| 08:23.01 | aiss | therefor I hope you can help, this is very important for me ... |
| 08:23.16 | Hobbes` | how does one add a missing terminfo ? I need to install the terminfo for vt320 |
| 08:23.18 | aiss | PerfDave: is it possible? |
| 08:23.36 | PerfDave | aiss: Is what possible? |
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| 08:24.08 | aiss | PerfDave: in 10 minutes to get RT work? |
| 08:24.23 | scx | tarzeau: ^^ |
| 08:24.28 | PerfDave | aiss: I meant that you appear to have reinstalled Debian in 10 minutes. |
| 08:24.40 | Pupeno | Is there a program that would watch if another program is running and running if it is not? (otherwise I'll make an script). |
| 08:24.55 | aiss | PerfDave: ah, okay no I have an other machine. sorry I didt explain |
| 08:25.04 | PerfDave | aiss: If you have apache2 and mod_perl2 installed, install your database server of choice and request-tracker3.6 |
| 08:25.23 | scx | Pupeno: zombies? |
| 08:25.27 | aiss | PerfDave: I cant use apt-get request-tracker3.6 |
| 08:25.37 | aiss | only request-tracker3.4 |
| 08:25.48 | PerfDave | aiss: Which version of Debian are you running? |
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| 08:25.59 | aiss | PerfDave: newst one 4.0 |
| 08:26.06 | scx | Pupeno: How you can see a program that is runing but is not running? |
| 08:26.12 | PerfDave | Pupeno: http://wooledge.org/mywiki/BashFAQ#head-af7489dd14545497fabfe5aa0dbd1c8d68f8a87d |
| 08:26.23 | PerfDave | aiss: Debian 4.0 has request tracker 3.6 |
| 08:27.18 | PerfDave | aiss: If you don't have it, you're not running Debian 4.0 :) |
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| 08:27.40 | aiss | okay, If I type this command "apt-get install request-tracker3.6" I got this one E:couldnt find package request-tracker3.6 |
| 08:27.52 | aiss | maybe its my mirrorlist? |
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| 08:28.01 | tarzeau | aiss: yeah maybe |
| 08:28.06 | PerfDave | aiss: Then your sources may be incorrect. Paste them to http://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 08:28.35 | aiss | but apt-get update working |
| 08:28.40 | PerfDave | aiss: Incidentally, what does "cat /etc/debian-version" say? |
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| 08:29.40 | aiss | nothing happining |
| 08:30.06 | PerfDave | aiss: What do you mean, "nothing happening"? Please tell me the output of "cat /etc/debian-version", and paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 08:30.11 | hark | it's debian_version :) |
| 08:30.12 | aiss | yes, 4.0 |
| 08:30.32 | PerfDave | hark: Good point ;) |
| 08:30.41 | Pupeno | PerfDave: thanks. |
| 08:30.47 | hark | !info request-tracker3.6 etch |
| 08:30.53 | dpkg | request-tracker3.6: (Extensible trouble-ticket tracking system), section misc, is optional. Version: 3.6.1-4 (etch), Packaged size: 1286 kB, Installed size: 7692 kB |
| 08:31.40 | aiss | iam using http://mirror01.dk.telia.net/debian as sarge main contrib |
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| 08:32.31 | PerfDave | aiss: Paste your full /etc/apt/sources.list to http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 08:32.33 | hark | so you're running sarge then, what does dpkg -l libc6 say? |
| 08:32.56 | aiss | ok |
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| 08:33.23 | PerfDave | hark: If aiss is running sarge, how come /etc/debian_version says 4.0 ? |
| 08:34.41 | aiss | hark: Name. libc6, version 2.3.6.ds1-13 |
| 08:34.42 | hark | yeah, that's etch |
| 08:34.42 | PerfDave | hark: This is why I asked for a full /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 08:34.48 | hark | PerfDave: just confirming :) |
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| 08:35.09 | aiss | okay, so it is good or bad ? :-) |
| 08:35.29 | PerfDave | aiss: Paste your full /etc/apt/sources.list to http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 08:35.52 | aiss | Perfdave, OK |
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| 08:37.31 | aiss | PerfDave, DOne |
| 08:38.02 | aiss | but what should I do for to get newst request tracker with apt-get |
| 08:38.20 | PerfDave | aiss: OK, so http://paste.debian.net/27430 tells us that you've installed Etch from the DVD but are using Sarge sources on the Internet |
| 08:38.38 | wols_ | Alumin: apt-cache search request-tracker |
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| 08:39.14 | hark | wols_: yeah, he's using sarge sources (in etch) |
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| 08:39.24 | aiss | PerfDave: please tell how I can resolve that |
| 08:39.53 | PerfDave | aiss: You want to change your sources.list to read like http://paste.debian.net/27431 |
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| 08:39.57 | PerfDave | aiss: Then apt-get update |
| 08:40.25 | aiss | ok, i try to copy paste. 2sec |
| 08:40.51 | PerfDave | aiss: Incidentally, that will give you security updates, which you weren't receiving before... |
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| 08:41.50 | aiss | updating right now |
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| 08:42.11 | aiss | but the command apt-get update will get all updated? |
| 08:42.42 | PerfDave | aiss: "man apt-get" will tell you how apt-get works. |
| 08:43.20 | PerfDave | aiss: Once you update, you probably want to do an "aptitude upgrade" or "apt-get upgrade" to pull in the latest versions of things. |
| 08:43.31 | aiss | try look at this http://paste.debian.net/27432 |
| 08:43.37 | PerfDave | aiss: Get that sorted first, then come back to request tracker |
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| 08:44.38 | PerfDave | aiss: That doesn't seem to be a problem, you've just included the DVD line multiple times. |
| 08:45.07 | PerfDave | indraveni: Please disable whatever script is doing that. We don't all need to see when you're away for lunch, IRC has /away for that. |
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| 08:45.28 | indraveni | PerfDave, ok |
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| 08:45.36 | aiss | PerfDave; I can see it now |
| 08:45.40 | aiss | my misstakes |
| 08:45.42 | aiss | :_) |
| 08:46.30 | aiss | PerfDave; so now the command should work? 3.6 |
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| 08:47.38 | PerfDave | aiss: Like I say, you want to fix your system before you try installing anything else. Try an "apt-get upgrade" or "aptitude upgrade" to bring your packages up to date with your new Etch repositories. |
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| 08:55.08 | indraveni | hark, now I got the gstreamer-properties command after installing the gnome-media pckg |
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| 08:56.37 | Knight_Lord | Is there anything like top but for IO? |
| 08:56.46 | Knight_Lord | I seem to remember something about top IO |
| 08:56.58 | Knight_Lord | I say this because i have a lot of IO and I don't know who's the culprit |
| 08:57.22 | cydork | Knight_Lord: iostat |
| 08:57.41 | cydork | Knight_Lord: no wait.. you want top io?? |
| 08:57.50 | hark | indraveni: ok, but what was the problem initially? |
| 08:58.21 | indraveni | hark, when I am enabling the system tools i am not able to play the songs using any player |
| 08:58.36 | indraveni | hark, the error is like, another applciation is using the sound card |
| 08:58.40 | hark | system tools? |
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| 09:01.46 | indraveni | hark, what system tools? |
| 09:01.50 | aiss | back again |
| 09:02.35 | mandingo | evenin ladies |
| 09:02.44 | aiss | I try apt-get upgrade now |
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| 09:03.30 | indraveni | hark, did you understand my problem? |
| 09:03.31 | hark | indraveni: what does "I am enabling the system tools" mean? |
| 09:04.45 | indraveni | hark, sorry its not system tools, system sounds |
| 09:04.52 | indraveni | hark, really very sorry for it |
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| 09:05.09 | aiss | PerfDave, are you there? |
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| 09:05.55 | hark | indraveni: do the system sounds work? |
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| 09:06.05 | D_STAR | hello when i should install wine i get.my acc is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. can some one help me with that? |
| 09:06.21 | indraveni | hark, yes they are working |
| 09:06.37 | indraveni | hark, system sounds are working good |
| 09:06.46 | hark | indraveni: and gstreamer-properties shows you're using esd? |
| 09:06.56 | indraveni | hark, no usign Alsa |
| 09:07.05 | Skymarshal | I am writing documentation and need a stable URL for Downloading debian-31r5-i386-netinst.iso. But I don't find one. The Archive only has packages but no installation images. Can anybody help me? |
| 09:07.18 | hark | !sudoers |
| 09:07.18 | dpkg | hmm... sudoers is To give your user the ability to run arbitrary commands as root with sudo, add a line like this to /etc/sudoers: 'user ALL=(ALL) ALL' (no quotes, replacing user with your username). |
| 09:07.22 | hark | !visudo |
| 09:07.22 | dpkg | hmm... visudo is how you add users to your /etc/sudoers file. 'man visudo' for details, and also ask me about <sudoers> |
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| 09:08.12 | hark | indraveni: and you installed that esd-alsa package mentioned earlier? |
| 09:09.03 | indraveni | hark, yes I installed |
| 09:09.04 | hark | !d-i Skymarshal |
| 09:09.04 | dpkg | Skymarshal, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 09:09.17 | hark | hmm, no... |
| 09:09.35 | hark | http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ |
| 09:10.14 | hark | indraveni: it still dosen't work? |
| 09:10.45 | hark | indraveni: hmm, see what's using the card.. lsof /dev/snd/* |
| 09:10.49 | indraveni | hark, great |
| 09:10.55 | indraveni | hark, its working now :) |
| 09:11.22 | Skymarshal | hark: Thank you! It that going to be a more or less stable link? It is just for an old documentation and I am tired of people asking me where they can download it. |
| 09:11.51 | hark | Skymarshal: but etch has been released . it's stable now. YOu should go for that instead |
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| 09:12.45 | aiss | is there anybody that can help with apt-get upgrade? |
| 09:12.59 | indraveni | hark, so my problem is solved after installing libesd-alsa package |
| 09:13.02 | hark | !tell aiss -about ask |
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| 09:13.09 | Skymarshal | hark: It is a printed book and I can't change that book. But I can give people a new URL for just that purpose. I am aware of the new release. |
| 09:13.17 | indraveni | hark, so, we have to esd instead of alsa? |
| 09:13.32 | aiss | hark; do you know my problem? |
| 09:13.38 | aiss | with RT |
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| 09:14.24 | hark | Skymarshal: the sarge link will be up probably for about a year, until support runs out |
| 09:14.50 | Skymarshal | hark: thanks for you help! |
| 09:14.51 | hark | or a new release happens before, but not sure :) |
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| 09:15.21 | hark | aiss: all i know is that you wanted to install v3.6 of the tracker or something |
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| 09:15.43 | aiss | yes, |
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| 09:15.53 | hark | indraveni: don't know much about that issue.. me i make sure system sounds are off |
| 09:16.13 | Skymarshal | hark: one additional question. Is there something like a ...4.0-current... link somewhere? It is hard to publish printed documentation with URLs which are always out of date. |
| 09:16.17 | indraveni | hark, ok |
| 09:16.23 | indraveni | hark, thanks for your help |
| 09:16.38 | hark | !d-i |
| 09:16.38 | dpkg | Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now the new Testing! |
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| 09:16.54 | hark | Skymarshal: ^ here |
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| 09:17.03 | aiss | I just upgrade my linux wit the apt-get uprade |
| 09:17.23 | amerinese | can someone tell me how to check what version of debian i have? |
| 09:17.32 | hark | !version |
| 09:17.32 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename> |
| 09:17.42 | amerinese | thanks |
| 09:18.08 | indraveni | hark, its playing only with totem, no other palyer is working :( |
| 09:18.10 | Skymarshal | hark: Yes, but that links to http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r0-i386-netinst.iso and that is not a ....-current-... URL. It will change with the new releases. So in some month my documentation will be outdated. |
| 09:18.32 | aiss | is PerfDave online? |
| 09:18.41 | hark | Skymarshal: just give the http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ url? |
| 09:19.00 | hark | let them pick what they need |
| 09:19.04 | realniko | which is the packet to install in order to get function man pages about kernel programming like printk for example ? |
| 09:19.14 | hark | manpages-dev |
| 09:19.27 | PerfDave | aiss: Maybe |
| 09:19.29 | realniko | thanks |
| 09:19.35 | Skymarshal | hark: I like fool proof cut-and-paste howtos. Your proposed URL is not fool proof any more. I want to keep it as simple as possible. |
| 09:19.43 | hark | oh, wait not printk stuff iirc |
| 09:19.48 | aiss | :-) heh |
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| 09:20.09 | aiss | PerfDave: my freind :-) |
| 09:20.18 | cafuego | I'm not sure the kernel has manpage for its api. |
| 09:20.31 | aiss | I tusted installed request-tracker 3.6 .. |
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| 09:20.38 | hark | !info linux-manual-2.6.20 |
| 09:20.44 | dpkg | linux-manual-2.6.20: (Linux kernel API manual pages for version 2.6.20), section doc, is optional. Version: 2.6.20-3 (sid), Packaged size: 1271 kB, Installed size: 8172 kB |
| 09:20.56 | hark | realniko: that's in sid ^ |
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| 09:21.17 | hark | realniko: do an apt-cache search linux-manual |
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| 09:21.21 | cubiq | apt-get throuws this error. What can I do? |
| 09:21.21 | cubiq | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 09:21.21 | cubiq | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:21.28 | realniko | oki hark |
| 09:22.07 | aiss | PerfDave: the next step to install the database |
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| 09:22.56 | aiss | what should I use postgresql or mysql? |
| 09:23.40 | cafuego | aiss: uh |
| 09:23.50 | scx | psql * cough |
| 09:23.54 | hark | whatever you know? |
| 09:24.07 | cafuego | aiss: Depends on what yopu plan to do with it |
| 09:24.19 | cafuego | aiss: and which one you've got experience with |
| 09:24.22 | aiss | my plan is to install RT 3.6 |
| 09:24.28 | aiss | ok, |
| 09:24.31 | cafuego | aiss: and who here you think has the best mojo |
| 09:24.33 | scx | right many LAMPS do not connect to psql for example |
| 09:24.44 | aiss | okay |
| 09:24.52 | scx | * MySQL doesn't like scx |
| 09:25.06 | aiss | :-) |
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| 09:26.49 | aiss | PerfDave: can you help me with the final problem :-) |
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| 09:27.23 | cubiq | Doesn't anyone know what to do then apt-get install complains about unmet dependencies?? |
| 09:27.38 | aiss | i have installed 7.4 and 8.1 postgresql |
| 09:27.45 | aiss | how can I remove the old one? |
| 09:27.47 | scx | cubiq: install 'em? |
| 09:27.54 | cafuego | cubiq: You need to run 'apt-get update' first. |
| 09:28.08 | cubiq | cafuego: I did that :) |
| 09:28.09 | hark | !helpfile request-tracker3.6 |
| 09:28.09 | dpkg | For help with request-tracker3.6, look in /usr/share/doc/request-tracker3.6 There may be an examples/ directory there as well. |
| 09:28.33 | cubiq | scx: Can I specify the exact version to install? |
| 09:28.50 | scx | I guess |
| 09:29.03 | aiss | I installed 7.4 and 8.1 of postgresql HOW can I remove the old one? |
| 09:29.23 | scx | havn't installed psql in Debian |
| 09:29.29 | wols_ | dpkg -l postgres |
| 09:29.30 | dpkg | No packages found matching postgres |
| 09:29.35 | scx | but apt should do it |
| 09:29.41 | wols_ | and depending what it display: uninstall it via name |
| 09:29.47 | hark | man aptitude/apt-get.. /msg dpkg purge ? |
| 09:30.01 | D_STAR | hello can some one help me? igot some wrong message when i try to install wine. it goes like this" my acc is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported." plz help a little n00b :P |
| 09:30.03 | cubiq | aiss: I would suggesting compiling it from source. You want to run 8.2.4 |
| 09:30.19 | wols_ | D_STAR: man sudoer |
| 09:30.30 | aiss | yes, I want to use the newest one |
| 09:30.37 | hark | D_STAR: didn't you read what dpkg said earlier? |
| 09:30.40 | aiss | and delete the old one |
| 09:30.47 | wols_ | aiss: then do it |
| 09:31.00 | D_STAR | hark: what? O_o i must have missed it |
| 09:31.15 | hark | !sudoers |
| 09:31.16 | dpkg | somebody said sudoers was To give your user the ability to run arbitrary commands as root with sudo, add a line like this to /etc/sudoers: 'user ALL=(ALL) ALL' (no quotes, replacing user with your username). |
| 09:31.19 | hark | !visudo |
| 09:31.19 | dpkg | somebody said visudo was how you add users to your /etc/sudoers file. 'man visudo' for details, and also ask me about <sudoers> |
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| 09:32.25 | D_STAR | dpkg: ok thx i will try to understand it :P |
| 09:32.43 | hark | you can always just su to root as well :) |
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| 09:33.12 | D_STAR | /fav |
| 09:33.22 | aiss | what is the command to remove postgresql 7.4 ?? |
| 09:33.22 | grandy | hello... just wondering if anyone can help me figure out why i can't do dns lookups on a machine... but others on the same network can... |
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| 09:34.01 | petemc | grandy: /etc/resolv.conf contains the config for dns servers |
| 09:34.02 | PerfDave | aiss: Why do you want to remove postgresql? |
| 09:34.11 | aiss | hello PerfDave |
| 09:34.25 | grandy | petemc: they are in there... it's very weird |
| 09:34.30 | aiss | I had installed version 7.4 and 8.1 of the postgresql |
| 09:34.36 | aiss | so I will remove the old one |
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| 09:34.44 | PerfDave | aiss: OK |
| 09:34.44 | ulf_k_ | hello and good morning(in europe) i have a litte question, my raidcontroller can mail me notifications like errors with harddrives, but i only can setup the sender, recipient and mailserver. working with localhost is ok, i can send a testmail to root@localhost, so far |
| 09:34.45 | aiss | also 7.4 |
| 09:34.46 | grandy | petemc: it just times out yet from the next server over they work fine |
| 09:35.09 | ulf_k_ | but how can i forward this mail to a extern mailserver like my webaccount |
| 09:35.12 | petemc | grandy: firewalling issue perhaps? |
| 09:35.23 | grandy | petemc: shouldn't be... |
| 09:35.30 | aiss | PerfDave: what is the command ? |
| 09:35.49 | grandy | petemc: how would i tell? Is there a way to ping one port at a time? |
| 09:35.55 | ulf_k_ | because when i use my normal webaccount mailserver address i have no authentification |
| 09:36.13 | petemc | grandy: telnet |
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| 09:36.48 | eliteforce | hey |
| 09:36.51 | grandy | petemc: excellent... |
| 09:36.54 | D_STAR | dpkg: /etc/sudoers sjogren ALL=(ALL) ALL should it be like that? |
| 09:36.55 | eliteforce | overflow? :D |
| 09:37.42 | PerfDave | aiss: apt-get removes package |
| 09:37.46 | Hoxzer | what should I do if rmmod freezes and ifconfig doesn't work and .... everything regarding networking doesn't work because of broken module |
| 09:37.58 | Hoxzer | Yeah... |
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| 09:38.13 | Hoxzer | /etc/init.d/networking stop doesn't work... |
| 09:38.15 | wols_ | ulf_k_: tried man aliases? |
| 09:38.20 | eliteforce | Hoxzer: replace it with a working module? |
| 09:38.26 | js_ | Hoxzer: reboot |
| 09:38.34 | wols_ | !tell Hoxzer about doesn't work |
| 09:38.44 | wols_ | Hoxzer: how can you have a "Borken" module in the first place |
| 09:38.54 | grandy | petemc: do you know how to simulate a dns request with telnet? |
| 09:39.03 | Hoxzer | wols_: daily cvs |
| 09:39.08 | wols_ | grandy: why would you do that? |
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| 09:39.11 | eliteforce | how can i stop a virtual server from beeing (bruteforce) attacked over ftp? |
| 09:39.16 | eliteforce | *being |
| 09:39.19 | grandy | wols_: trying to figure out why i can't do lookups |
| 09:39.30 | grandy | wols_: trying to eliminate firewall issues |
| 09:39.33 | PerfDave | eliteforce: Don't run an FTP server? :) |
| 09:39.46 | wols_ | usually DNS uses UDP while telnet uses TCP |
| 09:39.54 | wols_ | grandy: use dig |
| 09:40.13 | eliteforce | PerfDave: thats a solution actually, but i dont like it :P |
| 09:40.28 | aiss | PerfDave: so If I have folder with name 7.4 and 8.1 how can I know the package name?? |
| 09:40.47 | wols_ | eliteforce: use a blacklist/tarpit: after x failed amounts of logintries blacklist the offending source IP for some time |
| 09:41.00 | hark | aiss: wols_ already told you how earlier |
| 09:41.01 | wols_ | aiss: dpkg -l postgres |
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| 09:41.21 | eliteforce | wols_: uh yeah, how could i forget that |
| 09:41.33 | hark | dpkg -l |grep postgres |
| 09:41.33 | dpkg | ii |grep postgres 1.9-1.3 hark's private gamp collection |
| 09:41.38 | aiss | no packages found matching postgres () |
| 09:41.43 | ulf_k_ | wols_: newaliases or etc-aliases |
| 09:41.45 | Hoxzer | eliteforce: I can't replace module after I remove it from use which system doesn't seem to manage to do |
| 09:41.53 | D_STAR | hark: when i type man sudoer then i get a error no manualpost for sudoer |
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| 09:42.14 | hark | D_STAR: it's sudoers |
| 09:42.17 | ulf_k_ | both seems to work with exim |
| 09:42.17 | eliteforce | Hoxzer: boot from a livecd instead, mount your hdd..? |
| 09:42.37 | Hoxzer | eliteforce: I dont wanna reboot |
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| 09:42.45 | D_STAR | hark: O_o im so lost...... |
| 09:43.12 | eliteforce | Hoxzer: sorry, i can't help you then |
| 09:43.13 | Hoxzer | aargh I'll reboot |
| 09:43.18 | aiss | thanks wols_ |
| 09:43.23 | hark | D_STAR: can't you just su for now? |
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| 09:43.38 | wols_ | Hoxzer: could you start describing the problem properly? |
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| 09:43.52 | Hoxzer | wols_: no. |
| 09:44.00 | wols_ | suit yourself then |
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| 09:44.18 | eliteforce | hahahah |
| 09:44.21 | aiss | I just removed, but it is normal that folders still there? |
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| 09:44.33 | wols_ | aiss: purge it |
| 09:44.43 | wols_ | apt-get remove --purge |
| 09:44.49 | wols_ | !purge |
| 09:44.49 | dpkg | [purge] to completely wipe away a package, including its config files. Use apt-get remove --purge [package] or if you already removed package with apt-get remove, and forgot config files you can use 'dpkg -P <package>' to remove configs. To purge all config files of all removed packages: aptitude purge '~c', or see <confmiss> about restoring individual config files |
| 09:44.59 | liable | stupid aptitude wants to upgrade xserver even after i tell it to hold.. |
| 09:45.16 | D_STAR | hark: lol and that is? :P |
| 09:45.44 | aiss | also manual delete ? :-) |
| 09:45.49 | hark | liable: even with aptitude hold xserver-xorg-core? |
| 09:46.00 | hark | D_STAR: how're you installing wine? |
| 09:46.25 | D_STAR | hark:like the home page tells me to |
| 09:46.47 | liable | hark: yeah, strangely enough |
| 09:46.57 | aiss | is there any command I can use to see the postgresql is deleted? |
| 09:46.59 | D_STAR | hark : when i type this then i got the problem wget -q http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt/387EE263.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add - |
| 09:47.02 | liable | hark: thats the package i held |
| 09:47.28 | liable | thats the package i meant to say, but i was to lazy to type the whole thing.. :P |
| 09:47.32 | insecure | how to do i run nmap to check which comp is down on my own network /intranet |
| 09:48.20 | SlayerXP | insecure: "man nmap" |
| 09:48.30 | petemc | or just use ping |
| 09:48.50 | insecure | i tryed man but cant find right help |
| 09:48.56 | hark | liable: hehe, try the /msg dpkg hold ..way then, maybe |
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| 09:49.10 | eliteforce | wols_: do you know any blacklisting tool which reacts on attacks.. in deb main? |
| 09:49.17 | wols_ | D_STAR: su to root, then run the command without sudo. |
| 09:49.24 | Knight_Lord | I have a strange problem. NFS can't start when i uncomment one of the entries in exports. Can anyone help me shed some light on the problem? |
| 09:49.30 | wols_ | D_STAR: on what OS are you? what version of debian? |
| 09:49.34 | wols_ | eliteforce: sorry no |
| 09:49.51 | wols_ | !tell Knight_Lord about errors |
| 09:50.04 | D_STAR | wols_: the newest stable i could find |
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| 09:50.11 | D_STAR | wols_: 4.0 something |
| 09:50.23 | wols_ | debian etch then |
| 09:50.34 | Knight_Lord | wols_ there's no actual error message. nfs-kernel-server restart just stalls |
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| 09:50.42 | Knight_Lord | wols_ it stalls on exportfs -r |
| 09:50.50 | Knight_Lord | wols_ nothing on dmesg on /var/log/messages |
| 09:50.53 | liable | hark: that hold method doesnt work for aptitude |
| 09:50.54 | D_STAR | wols_: yepp |
| 09:50.58 | avtobiff | any tip on a hdd benchmarking tool. |
| 09:51.02 | liable | i dont think.. |
| 09:51.22 | Knight_Lord | wols_ the most interesting I have is this from kern.log |
| 09:51.28 | Knight_Lord | wols_ May 8 11:49:51 davinci kernel: RPC: failed to contact portmap (errno -5). |
| 09:51.48 | hark | liable: hmm, yeah maybe.. the "aptitude hold packagename" works here though |
| 09:51.49 | wols_ | run a portmapper |
| 09:52.06 | D_STAR | wols_: 4.0_r0 |
| 09:52.08 | wols_ | apt-cache show portmap |
| 09:52.24 | wols_ | and then /etc/init.d/portmap start (or portmapper) |
| 09:52.33 | Knight_Lord | wols_ it's running alright |
| 09:52.35 | aiss | what is the command to remove directory? |
| 09:52.42 | wols_ | Knight_Lord: then it can't connect |
| 09:52.53 | SlayerXP | aiss: "man rm" |
| 09:53.01 | scx | :d |
| 09:53.09 | Knight_Lord | wols_ It can |
| 09:53.15 | Knight_Lord | wols_ i can connect by telnet |
| 09:54.08 | Knight_Lord | wols_ when i strance exportfs it seems to keep no connecting to DNS servers in loop |
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| 09:56.50 | scx | rm -rf * |
| 09:57.09 | scx | grrr... lagging again |
| 09:57.16 | petemc | scx: that kind of advice can get you a kickban |
| 09:57.37 | basanta | what is kde counter for WINDOWMANAGER=gnome-session |
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| 09:57.48 | scx | o_O |
| 09:58.09 | scx | ah, yes... srry |
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| 09:59.25 | sep | one of the sites located on my server have a hole in someone's script. allowing it to run applications as the www-data user. |
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| 09:59.55 | sep | how can i locate what script is the culprit. ? i'v been looking at logs all day |
| 10:00.18 | grandy | wols_: just got back... you recommended dig for testing dns... dig is timing out |
| 10:00.19 | PerfDave | sep: Look for unusual GET input, any script that's been returning lots of 500s? |
| 10:00.32 | wols_ | correlate process start times with access.log from apache? |
| 10:00.45 | wols_ | or look in the logs for the processname? they have to start it somewhoe |
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| 10:01.16 | sep | PerfDave, there are thausands of those from all the iis exploits running around |
| 10:02.04 | grandy | wols_: and i'm trying to see if there is a problem where the packets are not getting through... |
| 10:02.18 | aiss | I have problems to install the newest postgresql-client.... |
| 10:02.32 | grandy | wols_: even typing host localhost results in a time out |
| 10:02.35 | aiss | when I try it install old version |
| 10:02.40 | PerfDave | sep: Is there not some log analysis tool which will help you? |
| 10:03.44 | sep | PerfDave, that's the next part of my question that i was about to ask |
| 10:04.14 | aiss | how can I install newst postgresql client? |
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| 10:05.16 | indraveni | In debian, which file is responsible for setting up the default application that a software should use |
| 10:05.28 | aiss | brb |
| 10:05.35 | PerfDave | indraveni: update-alternatives |
| 10:05.44 | PerfDave | aiss: Use your package manager to search for postgresql client, install the one you want. |
| 10:06.01 | indraveni | PerfDave, update-alternatives is a command , right? |
| 10:06.09 | petemc | grandy: telnet |
| 10:06.16 | PerfDave | indraveni: Yes |
| 10:06.45 | grandy | petemc: i can't figure out what to type to get a response from a dns server |
| 10:06.54 | petemc | grandy: telnet dnsserver 53 |
| 10:07.04 | grandy | petemc: lemme try |
| 10:07.35 | grandy | petemc: trying... |
| 10:07.46 | grandy | petemc: this is the server that does lookups properly |
| 10:08.00 | indraveni | if I am creating a tool to open a debian package then, I want all my deb packages to open using that tool by default, instead of me using "open with other application" option, . I want a procedure from command prompt |
| 10:08.13 | petemc | grandy: you'll want to test from the machine that doesnt work... |
| 10:08.27 | grandy | petemc: i know but i am trying to see what the correct output looks like first |
| 10:08.40 | petemc | Escape character is '^]'. |
| 10:08.46 | petemc | something like that.. |
| 10:08.48 | PerfDave | indraveni: I'm not sure what you're trying to do. Open .deb packages from Konqueror or something? |
| 10:09.09 | grandy | petemc: hmm... it's not saying that |
| 10:09.16 | grandy | petemc: it just hangs |
| 10:09.26 | indraveni | PerfDave, I am suing gdebi tool which installs the deb package by just clicking on it |
| 10:09.30 | Knight_Lord | Now i'mg getting RPC: Timed out from another server. Any takers? |
| 10:09.41 | PerfDave | indraveni: Clicking on it in what? |
| 10:09.45 | petemc | grandy: sounds like a firewall issue |
| 10:10.01 | grandy | petemc: |
| 10:10.09 | indraveni | PerfDave, and I want all my debs to open using gdebi, but by default its opening using Archive Manager, |
| 10:10.11 | grandy | petemc: hmmm... but on that machine dns lookups work... |
| 10:10.22 | Knight_Lord | I don't have any kind of firewall and i can ping and ssh fine the server |
| 10:10.27 | indraveni | PerfDave, in my filebrowser, when I click on the deb package |
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| 10:10.31 | Knight_Lord | rpcinfo -p server no the client show nfs fine |
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| 10:11.17 | PerfDave | indraveni: Which file browser?# |
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| 10:11.30 | petemc | grandy: dont know then - I have dozens of machines running bind and i can telnet to port 53 on all of them |
| 10:11.34 | indraveni | PerfDave, nautilus |
| 10:11.38 | hark | indraveni: right click and go to properties.. in the open with tab, set it to gdebi |
| 10:11.44 | grandy | petemc: weird... hmmm |
| 10:11.58 | indraveni | hark, yes, that I can do, but I want to do it from command prompt |
| 10:12.00 | petemc | grandy: is there anything strange about your set up? |
| 10:12.02 | PerfDave | indraveni: Hmm, no idea then. I don't think you can configure Gnome applications. |
| 10:12.25 | Knight_Lord | It suddenly started to work |
| 10:12.27 | hark | indraveni: gdebi package.deb ? |
| 10:12.29 | grandy | petemc: not really... |
| 10:12.39 | indraveni | hark, if on a deb package I am right clicking , tis showing archive manager in the first and then gdebi |
| 10:13.04 | petemc | grandy: what kind of dns server are you trying to talk to? |
| 10:13.09 | grandy | not sure |
| 10:13.10 | hark | indraveni: you select properties and then choose the open with tab |
| 10:13.29 | indraveni | hark, yes, but all those are thouh gui, |
| 10:13.39 | petemc | grandy: its your isps? whats its address? |
| 10:13.53 | indraveni | hark, I have seen one file that is getting affected when I making open with and chaning default application to use |
| 10:13.59 | hark | indraveni: so, what's the problem with using the gui.. ? |
| 10:14.00 | indraveni | hark, it is,, a momment |
| 10:14.26 | grandy | petemc: yes... 64.60.208.2 |
| 10:15.06 | indraveni | hark, we are working a debian based distro and in that I want gdebi to be default application for debian packages |
| 10:15.21 | indraveni | hark, so I want to know, which file is related to this |
| 10:15.31 | petemc | grandy: dig @64.60.208.2 www.google.com - works fine here |
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| 10:15.44 | petemc | grandy: but i cant telnet to it - so ignore that |
| 10:16.05 | vyrus001 | when i open alsamixer i get "function snd_mixer_load failed: invalid argument" |
| 10:16.09 | grandy | petemc: hmm... can you think of any config on my machine that would make that command not work? |
| 10:16.31 | hark | indraveni: oh, ok |
| 10:16.43 | petemc | grandy: /etc/nsswitch.conf , the hosts line, but its unlikely to be that.. |
| 10:16.51 | grandy | petemc: hmm |
| 10:17.02 | indraveni | hark, I have seen this document http://www.gnome.org/learn/admin-guide/latest/mimetypes-database.html |
| 10:17.10 | sanelson | moin |
| 10:17.16 | petemc | grandy: how do your computers connect to the internet? |
| 10:17.31 | hark | indraveni: yes, it does tell you how |
| 10:17.48 | grandy | in a colo through a router managed by the guy who set up the dns server... oddly two of the machines work fine with dns queries... the others do not... |
| 10:18.05 | indraveni | hark, but I am able to be clear how I should proceed further |
| 10:18.22 | indraveni | hark, and exactly which file i need to concentrate on |
| 10:18.26 | petemc | grandy: i would get him to check it out.. |
| 10:18.34 | grandy | petemc: good idea |
| 10:18.44 | hark | indraveni: set it for application/x-deb |
| 10:18.57 | grandy | petemc: thanks for the help... i have at least eliminated a number of things |
| 10:19.22 | indraveni | hark, yes I did that,. so I am able to see the gdebi when I am right clicking the application, but not as the first item |
| 10:19.47 | indraveni | hark, first its using Archive manager, below that only, gdebi is present |
| 10:19.55 | indraveni | hark, just see this http://www.gnome.org/learn/admin-guide/latest/mimetypes-registering.html |
| 10:20.45 | indraveni | hark, the file defaults.list is getting affected when I am editing in the properties of the deb package, but I am not knowing whether to edit this file directly is good or not |
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| 10:21.25 | indraveni | hark, hope you understood my problem now |
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| 10:21.45 | Madsy | I'm installing sarge now, after etch has become stable and it resulted in a load of dependancy issues when using aptitude directly. |
| 10:21.50 | Madsy | But should it work to just install the base from the CD, update sources.list and do a dist-upgrade? |
| 10:22.15 | Madsy | No, I don't have a CD writer available. |
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| 10:23.19 | sep | this is the process started by the hijackers,. how can i see the full path ? www-data 31839 93.7 0.8 6112 4460 ? R 10:19 113:58 httpd |
| 10:23.41 | xand | sep: the full path to what? |
| 10:23.47 | aiss | how Can I install newest postgresql client ? every time I try it install 7.5.33 |
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| 10:23.59 | hark | indraveni: right, so you want it globally |
| 10:24.18 | hark | aiss: apt-cache search postgresql and pick the one you need |
| 10:24.21 | sep | xand, to the httpd binary. that the hijacers manage to put onto the server using some script hole |
| 10:24.34 | sep | im trying to locate what script contains the hole |
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| 10:25.50 | aiss | okay, thanks |
| 10:26.40 | aiss | my last problem in this installation is how I can configure my apache with mod_perl |
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| 10:27.04 | hark | apache or apache2? |
| 10:27.11 | aiss | apache2 |
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| 10:28.31 | hark | !info libapache2-mod-perl2 etch |
| 10:28.33 | dpkg | libapache2-mod-perl2: (Integration of perl with the Apache2 web server), section perl, is optional. Version: 2.0.2-2.4 (etch), Packaged size: 1056 kB, Installed size: 3532 kB |
| 10:29.01 | hark | probably it.. then just a2enmod it |
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| 10:30.32 | kameron | what's a clean alarm clock program to use, fits with gnome nicely? |
| 10:30.46 | aiss | I have installed that one |
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| 10:47.00 | liable | hrm, the x devs seem to have made it impossible to hold xserver-xorg-core, even though fglrx and nvidia are broken with the new one |
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| 10:47.22 | SoulChild | Hey guys,... why is my /var/log/boot file empty ? |
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| 10:48.33 | DaveyB | What's the newest unstable kernel for Debian? |
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| 10:50.37 | h3sp4wn | DaveyB: in sid ? or in the kernel teams repository ? |
| 10:50.53 | DaveyB | kernel teams repository I guess |
| 10:51.10 | SoulChild | How to activate Boot logging ???? |
| 10:51.12 | DaveyB | Is 2.6.18-4-686 old? |
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| 10:51.51 | SoulChild | found it |
| 10:51.55 | DaveyB | SoulChild, Have you used upstart? |
| 10:51.57 | DaveyB | Ahh OK. |
| 10:52.02 | h3sp4wn | DaveyB: http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/ |
| 10:52.04 | SoulChild | /etc/default/bootlog |
| 10:52.15 | SoulChild | DaveyB: thanks anyway ;) |
| 10:52.54 | h3sp4wn | liable: nvidia is working fine for me |
| 10:52.57 | TuTuFF | I`ve installed Debain 4o4 with x-server-core and kde .. I can`t seem to find the system services uti (which I have on my KDE/Ubuntu) could somone point me in the right direction please? (It istn udner system settings or the config panel) |
| 10:53.00 | DaveyB | chears h3sp4wn |
| 10:53.02 | tarzeau | !debain |
| 10:53.02 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The founder of Debian was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
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| 10:53.53 | indraveni | hark, I am sorry, just went away |
| 10:53.54 | indraveni | hark, yes I want it glocally |
| 10:53.54 | indraveni | hark, yes I want it globally |
| 10:53.54 | TuTuFF | i know where the spell-checker is thanks |
| 10:54.50 | indraveni | hark, any ideas? |
| 10:55.18 | h3sp4wn | DaveyB: sid has 2.6.20-1 also |
| 10:56.17 | liable | h3sp4wn: with the 7.2 xorg? |
| 10:56.51 | h3sp4wn | liable: yeah X Window System Version 1.3.0 |
| 10:57.24 | h3sp4wn | liable: self built kernel, kernel module built with m-a (paravirtual ops is not enabled in my kernel) |
| 10:57.32 | liable | h3sp4wn: ok, looks like fglrx is the only borked one then |
| 10:57.42 | tarzeau | why does debian libc6-dev on sparc not have a sys/io.h ? |
| 10:58.02 | aiss | when I try to Create a User in my postgresql database |
| 10:58.10 | aiss | I got this CREATE ROLE |
| 10:58.13 | liable | tarzeau: how the hell would we know? |
| 10:58.50 | wols_ | tarzeau: cause you're not supposed to use I/O ports? |
| 10:58.59 | wols_ | it's sys/ after all |
| 10:59.43 | aiss | what the CREATE ROLE means? |
| 10:59.52 | aiss | iam tryning to create a USER |
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| 11:02.24 | aiss | anybody that can help? |
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| 11:03.17 | aiss | Iam typing CREATE USER rtuser WITH PASSWORD 'password' CREATEDB NOCREATEUSER; I got this CREATE ROLE |
| 11:03.36 | sep | myflash-button.php ver1.0 BLAH! |
| 11:03.51 | sep | *die die die !DIE!!!* (rm -rf) *D |
| 11:05.09 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'phpapi-20060613+lfs' returned no results. |
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| 11:09.14 | h3sp4wn | liable: did you try taking the xserver-xorg-core from snapshot.debian.net (from the time it actually was xorg 7.2) (not xorg 7.2 + new xserver-xorg-core) |
| 11:09.26 | h3sp4wn | liable: (was in experimental for a time) |
| 11:13.10 | aiss | is there anybody that can help with the postgresql database?? |
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| 11:14.24 | TuTuFF | I have a basic Debian 4o4 install with x-server-core and kde .. I do not seem to have the system services app I had on my Ubuntu KDE .. could somone point me in the right direction to configure what services are run at boot please? |
| 11:15.38 | h3sp4wn | TuTuFF: install sysv-rc-conf (that is probably the easiest to use) |
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| 11:15.51 | TuTuFF | h3sp4wn: is is graphical or ? |
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| 11:16.42 | h3sp4wn | TuTuFF: you use the arrow keys and spacebar to enable or disable - its a text based app though (curses like) |
| 11:16.56 | TuTuFF | h3sp4wn: that`ll work perfectly .. many thanks |
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| 11:21.36 | h3sp4wn | TuTuFF: I think that is a well designed application - does one thing really well |
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| 11:25.09 | aiss | is there anybody that can help me? |
| 11:25.40 | wols_ | aiss: looked for a postgres channel? |
| 11:25.55 | h3sp4wn | aiss: try #postgresql |
| 11:26.12 | aiss | thanks guys |
| 11:26.20 | aiss | I really need help |
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| 11:29.41 | ma3x | this is strange |
| 11:29.44 | ma3x | very very strange |
| 11:29.49 | ma3x | I was testing the rams |
| 11:30.00 | ma3x | and if I plug it into the 1st slot it displays errors |
| 11:30.06 | ma3x | but not into the 2nd slot |
| 11:30.27 | ma3x | I took another ram module, plugged into the same 1st slot, displayed same errors |
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| 11:30.40 | ma3x | what does that mean? the mobo not compatible with the ram? |
| 11:30.51 | wols_ | what cpu? |
| 11:30.52 | h3sp4wn | ma3x: tried cleaning the 1st slot (with compressed air or whatever) |
| 11:31.01 | ma3x | amd64 athlon |
| 11:31.09 | pihhan | you may have oxidated contacts in first one |
| 11:31.11 | wols_ | it's either the memory controller or the contacts/traces on the mobo |
| 11:31.18 | ma3x | with this laptop originally came 2x256 fjs ram |
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| 11:31.27 | ma3x | i replaced those with kingston 2x512 |
| 11:31.46 | ma3x | i contacted kingston support, they told me the ram is not for my laptop |
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| 11:32.43 | ma3x | wols_, where's the memory controller ?? on the mobo? |
| 11:33.37 | ma3x | let me test again in the 2nd slot see if I get errors |
| 11:33.50 | wols_ | memory controller is inside your CPU |
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| 11:37.19 | enouf | so folks .. what might be the differences between --> linux-headers-2.6.21-1_2.6.21-1~experimental.1~snapshot.8516_i386.deb 26-Apr-2007 17:22 [[3.2MB]] <--differences--> linux-headers-2.6.21-1-686_2.6.21-1~experimental.1~snapshot.8516_i386.deb 26-Apr-2007 17:22 [[292K]] |
| 11:37.53 | enouf | and then there are 17M images (that i can tell, IINM, is the complete source code) |
| 11:38.39 | x_link | enouf: There is no 2.6.20-1-k7/2.6.21-1-k7 kernel for Testing |
| 11:38.51 | enouf | x_link: huh? |
| 11:39.02 | x_link | remember I asked yesterday about the kernel. |
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| 11:39.10 | enouf | yes |
| 11:39.12 | x_link | I don't find it on Testing |
| 11:39.23 | h3sp4wn | x_link: those are from the trunk (of the debian kernel team) |
| 11:39.25 | enouf | x_link: right .. it's for sid the .20 |
| 11:39.38 | x_link | ok |
| 11:39.51 | x_link | So I can't use the new ones. |
| 11:40.01 | x_link | Well thanks for the info. |
| 11:40.02 | x_link | Must go now |
| 11:40.05 | enouf | x_link: why bother if you don;t need to |
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| 11:40.45 | h3sp4wn | (might be a pain if the new initramfs-tools is not in testing yet) |
| 11:42.32 | enouf | hrm .. stil just trying to figure out why the size discrepancies (3.2MB vs only 292K) .. and if that isn't enough .. the "all" .debs seem to be only ~50KB .. (scratches head) |
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| 11:43.10 | ma3x | so what do you think it is ? the motherboard or the connectors? |
| 11:43.19 | ma3x | or the incompatibility of ram / mobo ? |
| 11:43.21 | h3sp4wn | enouf: quite possible everything there is quite broken (or would it would be in sid or ?) |
| 11:43.42 | enouf | h3sp4wn: <shrugs> |
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| 11:44.21 | tapas | i'm looking for a content management system that has a debian package available and is somewhat comparable featurewise to wordpress |
| 11:44.26 | tapas | does such a thing exist? |
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| 11:44.50 | hark | drupal? |
| 11:45.05 | tapas | hmm, having a look |
| 11:45.07 | JosefAssad | drupal has a debian package? Cool |
| 11:45.26 | enouf | h3sp4wn: i guess i just wish the filenames didn't have to be so long and confusing, as well as some brief documnetation explaining the various incantations and differences |
| 11:46.16 | enouf | h3sp4wn: as you know .. those are the shorter named files :-P |
| 11:46.31 | h3sp4wn | enouf: I don't even know if those are automatically built from the svn or not |
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| 11:47.25 | enouf | h3sp4wn: for all i know .. they came from the tooth fairy O.o |
| 11:47.50 | tapas | ok, checking out drupal [yes a debian package exists] |
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| 11:49.19 | enouf | h3sp4wn: though at svn, i have found some decent docs about what's what, and a bit about how to build, it's still quite sporadic and confusing |
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| 11:50.21 | pihhan | hey guys |
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| 11:50.28 | pihhan | can you test something for me? |
| 11:50.49 | pihhan | open gnometerminal, type ~. and pres tab two times |
| 11:51.03 | pihhan | does it disappear? |
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| 11:52.33 | enouf | pihhan: tilde + dot + <tab><tab> in konsole does nothing |
| 11:52.53 | enouf | pihhan: but $<tab><tab> for the win |
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| 11:53.10 | pihhan | enouf, in my gnome-terminal it does end that terminal |
| 11:53.13 | hark | i think he means without the . |
| 11:53.29 | hark | oh, maybe not :) |
| 11:53.36 | enouf | to dot, or not to dot .. that is the question |
| 11:53.44 | enouf | it's so dotty |
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| 11:53.57 | pihhan | well without dot it does the same |
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| 11:54.25 | [UPG]Pritchard | There's a lot of people in here O_O; |
| 11:54.34 | hark | well, i can test it say in an hour, if no one does |
| 11:54.51 | hark | what do you mean disappear? |
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| 11:55.03 | pihhan | is that feature of bash? |
| 11:55.14 | pihhan | ~<tab><tab> to end session? |
| 11:55.30 | hark | no |
| 11:55.38 | RichiH | no |
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| 11:56.00 | RichiH | ~\t\t should expand on either the contents of your homedir or on your users |
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| 11:56.12 | RichiH | zsh does the latter, i think bash does the first |
| 11:56.59 | enouf | pihhan: mine lists a bunch of DIRs like ~Dirname/ |
| 11:57.16 | enouf | pihhan: ~<tab><tab> .. no dot |
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| 11:58.05 | pihhan | if i type ~o<tab> it does fill ~operator |
| 11:58.15 | pihhan | where it get that operator? |
| 11:58.19 | pihhan | is that user? |
| 11:58.32 | enouf | what's that thing to tell bash not to interpret escape codes when reading $PS1 or is it $PROMPT_COMMAND |
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| 11:59.22 | enouf | i'm still figuring out what/where my results are listed/coming from .. seems a bit sporadic |
| 12:00.00 | enouf | Oh.. it's showing user or group names |
| 12:00.26 | enouf | likely user/group combos |
| 12:00.35 | enouf | as each user has it's own group |
| 12:00.37 | hark | users |
| 12:00.49 | hark | home dir |
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| 12:01.04 | enouf | ahh .. neat trick :-P |
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| 12:03.54 | hark | ravenbird: where were you |
| 12:03.55 | ravenbird | I was getting some action with the botchicks! WooYEAH! I got me some NOOKIE! |
| 12:04.17 | enouf | pihhan: if you're searching for a few pointers .. find the ABS at tldp.org, ask in #bash, and see man bash, and man bash-builtins |
| 12:04.39 | mike1o | hi im trying to run service that uses the port 5900 but I cant see it in netstat |
| 12:04.54 | enouf | dpkg: were you out partying with ravenbird again? |
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| 12:05.02 | BlueBeret | hi |
| 12:05.09 | pihhan | mike1o, what service are you running? openvpn? |
| 12:05.19 | mike1o | pingouin, vnc |
| 12:05.19 | BlueBeret | I get this: /usr/bin/mysqlcheck: Got error: 1102: Incorrect database name 'deprecated.mysql' when selecting the database |
| 12:05.26 | enouf | ~test |
| 12:05.48 | apt | Test Failed! |
| 12:05.49 | BlueBeret | every time I start mysql |
| 12:05.49 | hark | dpkg: ravenbird? |
| 12:05.49 | dpkg | ravenbird is probably so cool |
| 12:05.49 | BlueBeret | it's flooding my mbox |
| 12:05.49 | pihhan | mike1o, and is your vnc server running? |
| 12:05.57 | mike1o | pingouin, yup |
| 12:06.00 | BlueBeret | can I delete the database (as it is 'deprecated')? |
| 12:06.10 | mike1o | I have this setup in two machines |
| 12:06.41 | aiss | try look here http://paste.debian.net/27447 somebody that can help? |
| 12:06.44 | mike1o | pihhan, I can connect to the other machine but I cant see anything on this one... viceversa doesn't connect |
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| 12:07.43 | mike1o | pihhan, they're supposed to use the ports 5900 in and 5800 out |
| 12:08.22 | pihhan | mike1o, i dont think vnc uses specific port when connecting out |
| 12:08.42 | pihhan | mike1o, is your vnc server instance running? |
| 12:08.44 | mike1o | pihhan, should I run the servers as root? |
| 12:09.04 | pihhan | mike1o, have you checked with ps ax | grep vnc |
| 12:09.24 | pihhan | mike1o, no need for root AFAIK |
| 12:09.51 | pihhan | mike1o, how do you start your vnc servers? |
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| 12:12.11 | mike1o | pihhan, check this out it's weird http://pastebin.ca/476955 |
| 12:12.31 | BlueBeret | this is what happens when no one knows how to help: rm -rf /var/lib/mysql/deprecated.mysql |
| 12:12.40 | BlueBeret | yet, it helped |
| 12:12.58 | mike1o | pihhan, it could be because im running etch amd64 unstable ? |
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| 12:13.18 | scead | hi, how can i stop apt from using a proxy? |
| 12:13.37 | scead | i can only find stuff about apt-proxy, that is not what i want |
| 12:13.44 | pihhan | mike1o, have you checked what is in /home/sprok/.vnc/bolivar:3.log? |
| 12:13.45 | scead | http proxy * |
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| 12:14.02 | pihhan | scead, go and read abou squid :) |
| 12:14.07 | scead | no |
| 12:14.12 | scead | i want to STOP using a proxy |
| 12:14.16 | mike1o | pihhan, lunch time Ill be right back |
| 12:14.24 | scead | how do i reconfigure apt to not use a proxy |
| 12:14.44 | pihhan | scead, try /etc/apt directory |
| 12:15.11 | h3sp4wn | scead: is there something in /etc/apt/apt.conf ? |
| 12:15.31 | h3sp4wn | or /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ |
| 12:16.06 | scead | thanks |
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| 12:16.44 | h3sp4wn | (failing that it might be using the http_proxy - environment variable |
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| 12:18.38 | pihhan | mike1o, you need to connect to port 5900 + X server number. So if your server is 3, connect to 5903 |
| 12:19.57 | Knight_Lord | Is there any tool to configure synaptics graphically? |
| 12:20.14 | Knight_Lord | Doing changes to xorg.conf and restarting is really a horrible way to configure the mouse |
| 12:20.31 | wols_ | !drxx |
| 12:20.31 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 12:21.07 | h3sp4wn | Has anyone switched to evdev (for keyboard and mouse) yet |
| 12:21.13 | Knight_Lord | wols_ i said graphical so i can see my mouse as i reconfigure |
| 12:21.25 | h3sp4wn | I cannot find any clear documentation of how to do it |
| 12:21.30 | Knight_Lord | wols_ not much point in doing it if i can't see how it affects the mouse |
| 12:21.56 | jetscreamer | gnome and kde have a mouse thingy |
| 12:22.02 | pihhan | h3sp4wn, what exactly do you want to see if it is not configured yet? |
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| 12:23.25 | h3sp4wn | pihhan: Nothing in particular but seems like it is the future (according to the xorg site) |
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| 12:23.58 | pihhan | h3sp4wn, i dont have notebook, what can be configured in synaptics? |
| 12:24.29 | h3sp4wn | pihhan: graphics tablet I believe (I don't have the issue with synaptics) |
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| 12:25.02 | pihhan | ah, that were not you who were asking, sorry :) |
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| 12:27.20 | Knight_Lord | Is it possible to get Control+Click to behave as right mouse click? |
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| 12:28.21 | kubrick | how can I get the .config file for the linux-image from etch? |
| 12:28.38 | kubrick | should I install the source? |
| 12:28.38 | Knight_Lord | kubrick look in /boot |
| 12:28.43 | kubrick | Knight_Lord: thx |
| 12:29.15 | dererk[work] | kubrick, that's one way, the other one is to use the gziped file on /proc |
| 12:29.52 | dererk[work] | (if you have the chance to boot from it) |
| 12:30.54 | kubrick | dererk[work]: there is no gzip file in /proc |
| 12:31.09 | kubrick | but as Knight_Lord said, it is in /boot |
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| 12:32.20 | dererk[work] | kubrick, I though debian had them enabled |
| 12:32.44 | kubrick | k |
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| 12:34.17 | kubrick | it should imo |
| 12:34.17 | h3sp4wn | it doesn't (not much use if they are in /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 12:34.18 | dererk[work] | It's a compiling option on kernel configuring, anyway, it's on boot too :) |
| 12:34.18 | kubrick | i think the normal behavior would be the file in /proc/config instead of being in /boot |
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| 12:34.19 | dererk[work] | both are good ways, but /proc one is gzipped |
| 12:34.19 | yettenet | What progs do you suggest for DC++? |
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| 12:34.37 | kubrick | well, that option is relatively recent, so I understand the /boot thing |
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| 12:34.57 | dererk[work] | Yes, that's true |
| 12:35.26 | jetscreamer | we suggest the apt-get remove --purge prog for dc++ |
| 12:36.17 | dererk[work] | jetscreamer, hey o/ |
| 12:36.37 | jetscreamer | het dude |
| 12:36.41 | jetscreamer | \hey |
| 12:37.24 | dererk[work] | :) |
| 12:37.32 | dererk[work] | jetscreamer, doing fine? |
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| 12:37.53 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 12:37.59 | dererk[work] | great! |
| 12:38.22 | dererk[work] | It's about 4ºC here... it's getting really cold |
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| 12:39.27 | yettenet | jetscreamer: Thanks :P |
| 12:39.34 | yettenet | jetscreamer: I don't like that client tho |
| 12:39.41 | yettenet | jetscreamer: Do you have any other suggestion? |
| 12:39.47 | zamuro | *yawns* Morning all. |
| 12:39.50 | HardDisk_WP | hey |
| 12:39.56 | yettenet | 'eve, zamuro |
| 12:39.57 | yettenet | :) |
| 12:40.02 | dererk[work] | zamuro, hi ubuntuser guy |
| 12:40.08 | HardDisk_WP | does anyone know a RAR uncompressor whit supporting passwords? |
| 12:40.14 | zamuro | dererk[work]: Hey, Vista user!! hahahaha |
| 12:40.29 | dererk[work] | Hasta la vista, zamuro! |
| 12:40.37 | jetscreamer | aha |
| 12:40.38 | Knight_Lord | How can I get right mouse click on my macbook pro using control click? |
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| 12:41.16 | dererk[work] | HardDisk_WP, i don't user rar compressor, but, are you using the one upon non-free branch? |
| 12:41.37 | HardDisk_WP | i dont use anyone because i dont know anything except Ark |
| 12:41.55 | HardDisk_WP | which doesnt support pwd protected files (but i know the pwd) |
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| 12:42.06 | wols_ | HardDisk_WP: isn't ark a frontend only? |
| 12:42.19 | jetscreamer | file-roller seems better than ark to me |
| 12:42.27 | zamuro | Ark should get the job done. |
| 12:42.29 | jetscreamer | yes it is a front end |
| 12:42.35 | dererk[work] | yeah, file-roller has better support I think |
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| 12:42.53 | HardDisk_WP | cool |
| 12:42.59 | HardDisk_WP | "unP" supports passwords |
| 12:43.03 | HardDisk_WP | s/P/p |
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| 12:44.29 | D1S4ST3R | !de |
| 12:44.30 | dpkg | [de] deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
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| 12:46.17 | dpkg | 'D1S4ST3R' is 99.300% lame, enouf |
| 12:46.23 | zamuro | juaz |
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| 12:48.05 | mike1o | pihhan, ok im back |
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| 12:49.06 | pihhan | mike1o, try to run vncviewer localhost:3 |
| 12:49.39 | mike1o | pihhan, Connection refused (111) |
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| 12:50.22 | pihhan | mike1o, does ps x | grep vnc teturn something? |
| 12:50.33 | mike1o | pihhan, nope... |
| 12:50.43 | mike1o | pihhan, could it be because im running etch amd64 unstable ? |
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| 12:52.17 | dpkg | 'HardDisk_WP' is 14.000% lame, harddisk_wp |
| 12:52.26 | HardDisk_WP | aaa |
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| 12:52.41 | dpkg | '313375p34k' is 93.780% lame, harddisk_wp |
| 12:52.45 | HardDisk_WP | lol... |
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| 12:52.54 | HardDisk_WP | is the source of dpkg available? |
| 12:53.05 | Ronin | HardDisk_WP: search for blootbot |
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| 12:53.17 | GutterPunk | Hello |
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| 12:53.31 | pihhan | mike1o, what does return vncserver -version ? |
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| 12:53.41 | HardDisk_WP | thx |
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| 12:54.03 | jetscreamer | HardDisk_WP: it's perl, and you can sync the db... so yes i guess |
| 12:54.14 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: /msg dpkg msg the bot |
| 12:54.33 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: i think that factoid has a link or something |
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| 12:55.56 | garou | Hi. |
| 12:56.49 | mike1o | pihhan, doesn't seem to have the -version parameter |
| 12:56.56 | garou | I've got an ATI GFX card and made the mistake of thinking that I could upgrade my system, so the fglrx driver broke. Can I do something like a rollback? |
| 12:57.09 | jetscreamer | !source |
| 12:57.09 | dpkg | To work with Debian source packages, cd to a location with free space. as root: 'aptitude install build-essential fakeroot devscripts' and 'apt-get build-dep {packagename}'. as any user: 'apt-get source {packagename}', cd into the directory it creates, edit 'debian/rules' to suit, run 'debuild -us -uc'. |
| 12:57.10 | garou | (To downgrade to before X.org core changes) |
| 12:57.21 | wols_ | garou: use the old kernel gain. or fix your fglrx for the new kernel |
| 12:57.22 | jetscreamer | garou: just reinstall the driver |
| 12:57.23 | pihhan | mike1o, ls -l $(which vncserver)? |
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| 12:57.53 | garou | wols_: If I'd work for them, gladly. |
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| 12:58.31 | garou | jetscreamer: Due to the changes in core, X.org gets identified as 1.3.0.0, making the driver rejecting to start. |
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| 12:58.55 | jetscreamer | garo: let me show you an nvidia link... all i know, but same problem |
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| 12:59.15 | mike1o | pihhan, /usr/bin/vncserver -> /etc/alternatives/vncserver |
| 12:59.28 | jetscreamer | garou: http://nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=72490 |
| 12:59.32 | jetscreamer | second post |
| 12:59.39 | humbolto | how to find out via console whether a cpu supports intels virtualization extensions? |
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| 12:59.51 | wols_ | humbolto: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 12:59.55 | pihhan | mike1o, ls -l /etc/alternatives/vncserver? |
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| 13:00.15 | aiss | hello guys |
| 13:00.22 | aiss | http://paste.debian.net/27447 anybody that can help? |
| 13:00.25 | pihhan | humbolto, cat /proc/cpuinfo? |
| 13:00.33 | mike1o | pihhan, /etc/alternatives/vncserver -> /usr/bin/realvncserver |
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| 13:01.26 | garou | jetscreamer: That's nvidia-specific, ATI-installer doesn't have that workaround. |
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| 13:02.17 | ehird` | is it just me or is there no libmysql-dev or similar package |
| 13:02.25 | jetscreamer | there is one iirc |
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| 13:02.31 | garou | Also, it doesn't answer my question of how to do a rollback. |
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| 13:02.45 | aiss | http://paste.debian.net/27447 |
| 13:02.49 | jetscreamer | garou: just use the old kernel, like wols_ said |
| 13:02.50 | h3sp4wn | The only work around I know is to rebuild xserver-xorg-core (changing the VERSION= line) |
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| 13:03.11 | ehird` | http://paste.debian.net/27453 |
| 13:03.11 | BambiX | hi all |
| 13:03.13 | h3sp4wn | its in the binary part where it specifies 7.x.x.x |
| 13:03.15 | ehird` | i see no libmsyql |
| 13:03.31 | ehird` | mysql-dev gives no better results |
| 13:03.55 | wols_ | ehird`: apt-cache search mysql |grep dev |
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| 13:03.58 | BambiX | I've just ran the make on haproxy and it went well, but I don't know what the next step is to start setting it up, just copy haproxy* to /etc/haproxy ? |
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| 13:04.18 | ehird` | wols_: the closest is libmysqlclient15-dev - mysql database development files |
| 13:04.22 | wols_ | regulate_: read the docs that came with the tarball |
| 13:04.25 | ehird` | and i can't find any libmysql* on my system with that |
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| 13:04.40 | jetscreamer | ehird`: apt-cache search libmysql |grep dev |
| 13:04.46 | mike1o | pihhan, http://paste.debian.net/27454 |
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| 13:04.53 | garou | But it isn't a kernel problem, it's the mismatch between X and fglrx. If you meant the older X.org-core, wols_, sure, I'd love to, that's why I'm here. How? |
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| 13:05.00 | ehird` | jetscreamer: libmysql++-dev - mysql C++ library bindings (development) |
| 13:05.00 | ehird` | libmysql-ocaml-dev - OCaml bindings for MySql |
| 13:05.00 | ehird` | libmysqlclient15-dev - mysql database development files |
| 13:05.03 | wols_ | ehird`: apt-cache search libmysqlclient |grep mysql |
| 13:05.12 | jetscreamer | oh wols beat me :/ |
| 13:05.16 | ehird` | libmysqlclient |grep mysql... isn't that redundant |
| 13:05.24 | wols_ | no it's not |
| 13:05.25 | ehird` | libmysqlclient15-dev - mysql database development files |
| 13:05.25 | ehird` | libmysqlclient15off - mysql database client library |
| 13:05.26 | h3sp4wn | garou: snapshot.debian.net |
| 13:05.37 | ehird` | neither of which give me a libmysql.so on the system or simialr names |
| 13:05.39 | BambiX | anyone? |
| 13:05.40 | wols_ | ehird`: those are the things you need |
| 13:05.43 | mike1o | pihhan, http://paste.debian.net/27454 |
| 13:05.50 | ehird` | wols_: where would it install libmysql.so? i can't find it |
| 13:05.55 | wols_ | ehird`: it does. /usr/lib/libmysqlclient.so.15 |
| 13:05.58 | garou | h3sp4wn: I assume that's the repository to use? |
| 13:05.59 | wols_ | where it belongs |
| 13:06.05 | pihhan | mike1o, try to find some parameter to change screen number to higher, :1 for example |
| 13:06.45 | ehird` | wols_: right. well php is yelling at me and telling me to get libmysql.so |
| 13:06.51 | h3sp4wn | garou: have a browse (for xserver-xorg-core) I would try a 7.2 from experimental (not sure when the version string changed) |
| 13:06.53 | BambiX | can someone please help me for a bit? |
| 13:07.09 | garou | Thank you. |
| 13:07.24 | h3sp4wn | garou: or exactly how much you would have to hold |
| 13:07.26 | wols_ | ehird`: could you maybe, just maybe tell us what you are trying to do exactly? |
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| 13:08.14 | humbolto | does etch have kvm support? |
| 13:08.17 | ehird` | wols_: What do you mean>? |
| 13:08.44 | wols_ | tthat we lack way too much info to be able to help you effectively |
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| 13:09.35 | ehird` | wols_: I'm compiling php because the package doesn't have fastcgi support, and wants to install apache. |
| 13:09.41 | jayxf | anyone has a nice config for conky :P |
| 13:09.44 | ehird` | PHP wants libmysql.so to make its mysql extension work. |
| 13:09.48 | ehird` | Therefore, I need libmysql.so |
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| 13:10.31 | BambiX | I've just ran the make on haproxy and it went well, but I don't know what the next step is to start setting it up, just copy haproxy* to /etc/haproxy ? |
| 13:10.51 | Wyzard | ehird`: The "php4" package is the Apache module; "php4-cgi" is the CGI/FastCGI version |
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| 13:11.06 | ehird` | Ahhh. Well -cgi is a misleading name. |
| 13:11.06 | rocketmagnet | hi, does someone know a tool to find out which RAM i have ? |
| 13:11.23 | jetscreamer | you mean brand? |
| 13:11.27 | Wyzard | ehird`: oops, sorry, "php4" is a dependency metapackage, not the actual Apache module, but you get the idea |
| 13:11.29 | tarzeau | rocketmagnet: lshw/hwinfo maybe or the memtest86+ ? |
| 13:11.36 | ehird` | What about php5-cgi |
| 13:11.38 | ehird` | Is that fcgi too? |
| 13:12.26 | Wyzard | ehird`: The php5-cgi package description doesn't mention FastCGI like the php4-cgi description does, but it's a fair guess that it's probably supported |
| 13:12.26 | ehird` | Also, it does have mysql support right? (I hate php, so i'm dumb at what it needs wants etc) |
| 13:12.42 | Wyzard | ehird`: MySQL support is in php4-mysql or php5-mysql |
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| 13:13.11 | ehird` | Righty then |
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| 13:13.46 | fernandotcl | hello, anybody else having problems with remote X clients? |
| 13:14.00 | ehird` | Um. Wonderful. GD support wants to install X11. |
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| 13:14.53 | ehird` | :/ |
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| 13:15.03 | Wyzard | It wants to install libx11-6, you mean |
| 13:15.11 | ehird` | And x11-common. |
| 13:15.15 | mike1o | pihhan, could be a problem with X11 |
| 13:15.20 | ehird` | Which is, uh, slightly more than libx11. |
| 13:15.46 | BambiX | can I ask a question? |
| 13:16.06 | mike1o | ls: /usr/lib/X11/rgb: No such file or directory |
| 13:16.15 | Wyzard | x11-common doesn't contain any binaries, just a few manpages and scripts, and rgb.txt |
| 13:16.29 | ehird` | ah, right |
| 13:16.33 | BambiX | if/when i run a make file and it complete's without errors, how do I work with the end result? can I run it straight out or should i install it somehow |
| 13:16.44 | Wyzard | libx11-6 is probably needed for reading/writing XPM files or something |
| 13:17.22 | pihhan | mike1o, i cannot find realvnc to install |
| 13:17.31 | pihhan | mike1o, have you tried tightvnc? |
| 13:17.35 | ehird` | *is |
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| 13:18.34 | BambiX | can someone please help me? |
| 13:18.38 | mike1o | pihhan, from what Ive found in the reps we only got vncserver as "server" and a bunch of other stuff as client |
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| 13:19.57 | wols_ | barbo: depends on what you make. tarballs usually come with instructions |
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| 13:20.49 | BambiX | hi all |
| 13:20.55 | pihhan | mike1o, have you tried Xrealvnc :1? |
| 13:21.07 | BambiX | can I drop a question here? |
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| 13:21.32 | rommel | hey with an up and running machine how can i get a list of running services |
| 13:21.45 | mike1o | pihhan, Couldn't open RGB_DB '/usr/lib/X11/rgb' |
| 13:22.14 | PerfDave | rommel: ps ? |
| 13:22.16 | mike1o | pihhan, seems as though the file /usr/lib/X11/rgb doesn't exist |
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| 13:22.45 | Wyzard | BambiX: It depends on what you compiled, but usually it should be installed with "make install" |
| 13:22.59 | pihhan | mike1o, have you installed last vncserver package? |
| 13:23.01 | Wyzard | BambiX: but you should avoid compiling things from source unless they're not available as packages and you know what you're doing |
| 13:23.09 | Wyzard | BambiX: and always install to /usr/local |
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| 13:23.31 | h3sp4wn | garou: have you sorted it ? (I have just tested http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2007/03/03/debian/pool/main/x/xorg-server/xserver-xorg-core_1.2.0-6_amd64.deb) and it reports the old style version string |
| 13:23.44 | BambiX | wyzard i did haproxy |
| 13:23.52 | BambiX | or well i ran a make on haproxy 1.3 |
| 13:23.52 | rommel | PerfDave, need to know what daemons are running not just random processes |
| 13:24.00 | rommel | is there a way |
| 13:24.05 | pihhan | mike1o, as i dont have that file and Xrealvnc does not have a problem |
| 13:24.05 | h3sp4wn | liable: try using the above xserver-xorg-core (should work) |
| 13:24.06 | garou | No, sorry, I was so pissed that I did some cleaning up first. Thank you alot, I'll try that. |
| 13:24.26 | garou | (well, not amd64, but that version) |
| 13:24.32 | BambiX | now I've got haproxy* in the folder i ran the make but not sure what to do next |
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| 13:24.47 | h3sp4wn | garou: (no dependancy problems either - beats holding shedloads of stuff) |
| 13:24.49 | Wyzard | BambiX: like I said, make install |
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| 13:24.54 | garou | (...a bit later. Shouldn't stop cleaning up in the middle, I'm doing it seldom enough.) |
| 13:24.56 | pihhan | new gnome does not contain run... menu entry? |
| 13:24.57 | BambiX | ok |
| 13:24.58 | BambiX | thnx |
| 13:25.07 | Wyzard | BambiX: which is almost certainly written in the INSTALL file which you apparently haven't read :-) |
| 13:25.30 | BambiX | yes i have but there is no mention |
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| 13:25.47 | BambiX | it's a bit excentric I'll admit =) |
| 13:25.57 | mike1o | pihhan, I only have the vncserver and vnc4server packages... (amd64 arch) |
| 13:25.57 | PerfDave | rommel: A daemon is a random process. You can use netstat to see what processes are listening to ports. |
| 13:26.06 | Wyzard | BambiX: Also, there's a package called "pound" which seems to serve a similar purpose; you might want to look into that |
| 13:26.14 | BambiX | how do I add the /usr/local to the make install? |
| 13:26.37 | BambiX | =googling pound |
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| 13:26.56 | Wyzard | BambiX: Using packages is preferred over compiling stuff manually because packages can be automatically upgraded or removed, and are maintained by Debian's security team |
| 13:26.58 | pihhan | mike1o, try to upgrade these packages |
| 13:27.09 | rommel | PerfDave, ok but is there a way to see what is started at boot for asystem so one can plan for a backup? |
| 13:27.22 | Wyzard | BambiX: Compling stuff from source just dumps the files on your system and never gets updated unless you manually check for, and build, new versions |
| 13:27.40 | Wyzard | BambiX: The place to install to is chosen when you ran configure, but /usr/local is the default |
| 13:27.42 | pihhan | mike1o, or upgrade xserver-xorg or finish dist-upgrade |
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| 13:29.05 | ehird` | excellent.. 100% apt-get managed web stack |
| 13:29.09 | ehird` | now to install mediawiki |
| 13:30.07 | way2go | hello. i run debian, have a 5.1 soundcard with 3 in/outs ( orange, black and green ). The orange one, Center/Bass does not work. what to do ? |
| 13:30.07 | humbolto | is anybody running etch on a poweredge 2850? |
| 13:30.07 | humbolto | dell |
| 13:30.07 | ehird` | way2go: recalibrate the flux capacitator |
| 13:30.11 | BambiX | wyzard i checked pund but I'm set on haproxy |
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| 13:30.53 | way2go | ehird`i cannot follow u. i made some changes in /etc/esound/esd.conf and /etc/asound.conf |
| 13:31.04 | abrotman | humbolto: ask a better question |
| 13:31.07 | BambiX | wyzard, i know it won't get updated, wich is ok, now i've already ran the make file but without the install part, does that mean the haproxy file that came out is useless or can i copy it and run it? |
| 13:31.18 | ehird` | way2go: very vague questions get very vague answers |
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| 13:31.34 | enouf | 1.21 jiggawatts? |
| 13:31.37 | garou | h3sp4wn: That worked beautifully, thanks alot. |
| 13:31.38 | BambiX | wyzard actually tried running it but eventhough it's supposed to be executable from the * mark, it comes back as non executable |
| 13:31.39 | Wyzard | BambiX: no, it means you compiled the program but haven't installed it yet |
| 13:31.45 | BambiX | aaaah |
| 13:31.48 | mike1o | pihhan, they should all be up to date... |
| 13:31.53 | ehird` | enouf: as long as you have a triple-backed quartz power engine to overclock it, yes |
| 13:31.59 | BambiX | can I install it now or do i have to recompile with make install? |
| 13:32.08 | ehird` | make install doesn't recompile |
| 13:32.15 | pihhan | mike1o, have you tried xvnc4server? |
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| 13:32.21 | BambiX | thnx! |
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| 13:32.36 | humbolto | abrotman: does anybody have experience with an lsi megaraid under sarge or etch? |
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| 13:33.09 | c0nf | !non-free |
| 13:33.09 | dpkg | non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianistas would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there . See #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html Also ask me about "vrms" |
| 13:33.20 | abrotman | humbolto: i think it's megaraid2 now or something |
| 13:33.25 | mike1o | pihhan, I dont have neither the package nor the app :-( mabye that's the problem |
| 13:33.56 | jetscreamer | !contrib |
| 13:33.56 | dpkg | well, contrib is debian packages that are free, but depend on software not in debian (possibly in contrib or non-free) To get packages in contrib, lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end. Ask me about <non-free> |
| 13:34.09 | humbolto | abrotman: anyhow. |
| 13:34.12 | PerfDave | rommel: What sort of planning for a backup did you have in mind? /etc/rc?.d will tell you which initscripts are run at boot... |
| 13:34.22 | tarzeau | c0nf: not all non-free is that evil |
| 13:34.33 | humbolto | abrotman: the question is, as this seems to be a software raid, how is the thing handled by linux? |
| 13:34.35 | tarzeau | i like non-free/amiwm |
| 13:34.48 | c0nf | tarzeau: i know.. i need to add contrib non-free in order to get nvidia driver, but i'm not quite sure how (i don't know the link http:// ...) |
| 13:34.51 | mike1o | pihhan, im thinking of installing from source |
| 13:35.02 | humbolto | abrotman: I saw a dmraid package |
| 13:35.02 | Wyzard | !tell c0nf about nvidia one-liner |
| 13:35.07 | tarzeau | c0nf: ah, just add contrib non-free to your normal deb line at the end? |
| 13:35.17 | tarzeau | c0nf: i don't use debian nvidia stuff |
| 13:35.19 | way2go | ehird` have 2.6.18 kernel, the soundcard works only with 2 in/outs ( without Center ). the speakers are functionable. do i have to set smth in alsamixer or what should i do ? |
| 13:35.22 | c0nf | tarzeau: uh, lol.. lemme try :p |
| 13:35.24 | tarzeau | abrotman: play bub-n-bros tonight? |
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| 13:35.32 | tarzeau | c0nf: here's how i do it: www.linuks.mine.nu/nvidia/ |
| 13:35.33 | pihhan | mike1o, one of vncserver or X11 package is wrong, as that should work without problems |
| 13:35.40 | BambiX | I just tried make install haproxy /usr/local but it comes back with a dutch error loosely translated means there is no line for target install |
| 13:35.40 | humbolto | how do I setup a raid1 with an LSI megaraid? |
| 13:35.55 | pihhan | but you should ask in #debian-amd64 if you have 64bit system |
| 13:36.03 | c0nf | tarzeau: thanks, but i think i better stick wtih apt-get :p |
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| 13:36.25 | c0nf | with* |
| 13:36.52 | Wyzard | tarzeau: Out of curiosity, why not use the packages? |
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| 13:37.11 | tarzeau | Wyzard: it doesn't work w/ custom kernels? it's never up to date? |
| 13:37.20 | tarzeau | Wyzard: it doesn't work without manual intervention? |
| 13:37.22 | Wyzard | tarzeau: Yes, it works with custom kernels |
| 13:37.35 | c0nf | Wyzard: wth.. why is that nvidia one-liner so long? why can't i just apt-get install nvidia-glx ^^ |
| 13:37.49 | tarzeau | Wyzard: so it can be used fully automatic on 200 machines? |
| 13:37.56 | humbolto | I am having another problem with my etch! |
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| 13:38.05 | Wyzard | tarzeau: and the "manual intervention" is just building a new module when you update your kernel, which you have to do somehow regardless |
| 13:38.12 | Hoxzer | IS there rutilt binary package available ? |
| 13:38.20 | tarzeau | Wyzard: i do it with an init.d script fully automatic |
| 13:38.34 | Wyzard | tarzeau: yes, you can build the nvidia-kernel package on one machine and then deploy it on 200 machines that are running the same kernel |
| 13:38.36 | tarzeau | Wyzard: if you can provide a working init.d script the debian way, post the url, i'll use it |
| 13:38.46 | tarzeau | Wyzard: wait wait, i run 15 different kernels |
| 13:38.48 | humbolto | I am trying to do a dist-upgrade as I was installing etch, when it still was sid. But the package download stops for some reason and I have to download all packages again and again. |
| 13:38.56 | tarzeau | Wyzard: the machine must build it itself for itself |
| 13:39.07 | tarzeau | Wyzard: look at www.linuks.mine.nu/nvidia/nvidia-driver please |
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| 13:40.01 | Wyzard | tarzeau: I looked at it already... I'm just wondering why you use that many different kernels, or why you change kernels so frequently that you need nvidia-kernel to be built automatically when you boot |
| 13:40.06 | humbolto | ok, I upgraded apt. this seems to have fixed it. |
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| 13:40.39 | rommel | PerfDave, so if there is a dir listed with symlink that service is starting at boot ? |
| 13:40.42 | Wyzard | c0nf: nvidia-glx is the xorg driver, but it depends on a kernel module that has to be compiled for the particular kernel you're using... that's what the module-assistant stuff is for |
| 13:40.52 | tarzeau | Wyzard: new hardware doesn't work with debian kernels. optimized kernels get more out of the hardware |
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| 13:41.18 | tarzeau | Wyzard: we have many different hardware configs here, machines with 1 gb, 4 gb or more, then amd or intel p3,p4,k7,k8 smp or not... |
| 13:41.20 | way2go | hello. i run debian, have a 5.1 soundcard with 3 in/outs ( orange, black and green ). The orange one, Center/Bass does not work. i made some changes in /etc/esound/esd.conf and /etc/asound.conf. have 2.6.18 kernel, the soundcard works only with 2 in/outs ( without Center ). the speakers are functionable. do i have to set smth in alsamixer or what should i do ? |
| 13:41.21 | c0nf | Wyzard: okaaay... but the line can't be that long, jeez.. i just need a driver :) |
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| 13:41.38 | tarzeau | Wyzard: it's not that frequent, about once in half a year |
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| 13:41.57 | pablo_ | hi, why is argouml in contrib repos? |
| 13:41.57 | Wyzard | tarzeau: Debian has variants for different processor types, and for 4GB RAM you use -bigmem kernels |
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| 13:42.08 | Wyzard | pablo_: It depends on Java which is non-free |
| 13:42.17 | tarzeau | Wyzard: no k8 kernels for i386 |
| 13:42.26 | tarzeau | Wyzard: and for stable you don't get newer kernels |
| 13:42.29 | Wyzard | tarzeau: hmm... there used to be; I wonder why they got rid of them |
| 13:42.41 | tarzeau | Wyzard: for amd64 only, i've never seen them, dunno |
| 13:42.48 | tarzeau | Wyzard: however hardware support is the main reason |
| 13:42.51 | vchrizz | could someone try to test my nameserver by doing a 'dig @213.229.11.180 ist-net.org' ? |
| 13:42.53 | c0nf | !nvidia |
| 13:42.53 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
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| 13:43.06 | pablo_ | Wyzard: azureus too |
| 13:43.06 | aiss | anybody that can help me with this problem http://paste.debian.net/27447 |
| 13:43.08 | h3sp4wn | Still no debian kernels with preempt |
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| 13:43.09 | Wyzard | tarzeau: At any rate, the nvidia-kernel packages don't care whether your kernel is stock or custom as long as you have the headers |
| 13:43.29 | tarzeau | Wyzard: i see |
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| 13:43.37 | way2go | hello. i run debian, have a 5.1 soundcard with 3 in/outs ( orange, black and green ). The orange one, Center/Bass does not work. i made some changes in /etc/esound/esd.conf and /etc/asound.conf. have 2.6.18 kernel, the soundcard works only with 2 in/outs ( without Center ). the speakers are functionable. do i have to set smth in alsamixer or what should i do in order to get a perfect 5.1 sorround sound ? |
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| 13:43.42 | tarzeau | Wyzard: i'm reading the !nvidia again |
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| 13:44.10 | aiss | anybody that can help me with http://paste.debian.net/27447 |
| 13:44.15 | enouf | c0nf: if anything please just stfu about how long a command is |
| 13:44.20 | mike1o | pihhan, Xvnc4 seemed to work now... I tried connecting from another machine but it says " no password configured for VNC auth" |
| 13:44.21 | Wyzard | tarzeau: and they do some relevant things like properly diverting libGL.so from Mesa's version to nVidia's |
| 13:44.28 | Crypticfortune | eek. so after adding sid to my apt/sources.list i ran a dist-upgrade. now X doesn't load. i get an error: "(EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0)." Why did the nvidia module suddenly disapear? and how do i get it back? full error log here: http://rafb.net/p/EKx3E623.html |
| 13:44.34 | enouf | c0nf: you're not on wintendo anymore you weenie |
| 13:44.50 | tarzeau | Wyzard: yes that's a reason to use it the debian way |
| 13:44.51 | pihhan | mike1o, they you are as far as i am :) |
| 13:45.02 | tarzeau | Wyzard: but i remember enough cases where they just wouldn't work |
| 13:45.04 | c0nf | enouf: lol.. i'm just wondering.. when i used noobuntu it did the job with only apt-get install nvidia-glx ;) and then editing xorg.conf |
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| 13:45.34 | Wyzard | c0nf: That's because Ubuntu provides the kernel module in their linux-modules-restricted package (or whatever it's called) |
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| 13:45.50 | Wyzard | c0nf: Debian doesn't pre-build a suite of non-free kernel modules like Ubuntu does |
| 13:45.56 | mike1o | pihhan, ehehe |
| 13:46.13 | enouf | c0nf: learn how the world works, then maybe you'll start to understand why it's this way .. or just go use some other thing |
| 13:46.15 | mkl1525 | Hi, does anybody know a way to get a backup from a live system? I know that there could be inconsistency of some files but I really don't want do shut down the server - any suggestions? |
| 13:46.19 | c0nf | Wyzard: ok, but why can't i follow the http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#head-6611ed0a262f140d27c82b29ca7e7a0865fce6bf ? seems to be easier |
| 13:46.32 | tarzeau | mkl1525: rsync ? |
| 13:46.34 | Wyzard | tarzeau: I've been using the nVidia packages for years and don't recall having any significant problems related to their packaging |
| 13:46.45 | enouf | there's nothing hard about the nvidia one-liner |
| 13:46.46 | tarzeau | mkl1525: you can always fsck unmounted filesystems, no? |
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| 13:47.00 | enouf | !be a reading barbie |
| 13:47.00 | dpkg | Aww, reading is HARD! Let's go shopping, enouf |
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| 13:47.09 | tarzeau | Wyzard: i've been using the nvidia binary drivers for years and don't recall having any significant problems related to their binary |
| 13:47.11 | h3sp4wn | Wyzard: The nested fakeroot problem is the only issue I have with them |
| 13:47.36 | Wyzard | c0nf: You can; the one-liner is just a condensed version of those directions |
| 13:47.44 | mkl1525 | tarzeau, thanks, I'd like to have a system where a "dumb" user just throws the dvd back into the drive after hdd failure and the system reinstalls to its last backup |
| 13:47.58 | Wyzard | c0nf: In both cases the process is: use module-assistant to build the nvidia-kernel module, and the install that together with nvidia-glx |
| 13:48.05 | tarzeau | mkl1525: hahaha |
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| 13:49.06 | c0nf | Wyzard: ok, last question - how would that contrib non-free look like? deb http://... >:| |
| 13:49.21 | Wyzard | c0nf: Just add "contrib non-free" after "main" |
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| 13:49.39 | mkl1525 | tarzeau, from my point it shouldn't be that problematic - take the backup with rsync + some scripts + mkisofs and to replay make dvd bootable + mkfs.ext3 + rsync back - thought somebody would have solved the problem already |
| 13:49.56 | c0nf | Wyzard: so it would be deb http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free ? |
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| 13:49.59 | sinizzl | hi |
| 13:50.03 | HymnToLife | c0nf, yep |
| 13:50.07 | Wyzard | c0nf: yes |
| 13:50.10 | c0nf | ok :p thx |
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| 13:50.47 | sinizzl | i want my debian machine to act as an access point. apparently the rt2570 driver doesnt support "iwconfig eth3 mode master" which is, according to many forums, the way to set up an access point. is there any way to bypass this ? |
| 13:51.15 | h3sp4wn | sinizzl: You could try the bleeding edge rt2xx drivers - with a devicescape version of hostapd |
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| 13:51.26 | sinizzl | h3sp4wn: where do i get those ? |
| 13:51.38 | sinizzl | apt-get isntall rt2x00-source >? |
| 13:52.06 | sinizzl | im using etch, by teh way |
| 13:52.06 | c0nf | Wyzard: nvidia-settings just changes driver to "nv" (in xorg.conf)? |
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| 13:52.15 | h3sp4wn | sinizzl: its a fast moving target I would get them from - http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page |
| 13:52.33 | sinizzl | alright, thx |
| 13:52.38 | Wyzard | c0nf: no, nvidia-settings is a control panel for nVidia-specific stuff -- it's like that tab that the Windows driver adds to the "display properties" dialog |
| 13:52.44 | h3sp4wn | sinizzl: even the one in sid is 2 months old |
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| 13:52.50 | sinizzl | why arent the drivers in debians kernel anyway_ |
| 13:52.51 | sinizzl | ? |
| 13:53.00 | Wyzard | c0nf: antialiasing settings, DigitalVibrance, etc. |
| 13:53.05 | h3sp4wn | sinizzl: experimental (I think they are due to be merged in 2.6.22) |
| 13:53.06 | wols_ | sinizzl: DFSG |
| 13:53.18 | wols_ | and cause they aren't in the vanilla kernel |
| 13:53.22 | c0nf | Wyzard: oh, okay.. i have amd64 version, where do i need to add nvidia-glx-ia32 in the line? it would be ok, if i would add it at the end of the line? |
| 13:53.33 | sinizzl | allright..... |
| 13:53.46 | Wyzard | h3sp4wn: nVidia is making their kernel module GPL-compatible so it can be distributed in the official 2.6.22 source tree? |
| 13:53.57 | c0nf | Wyzard: or i need to switch it from nvidia-glx? |
| 13:54.12 | Wyzard | c0nf: nvidia-glx-ia32 is the 32-bit version of the OpenGL library |
| 13:54.19 | way2go | hello. is there anybody having a perfect 5.1 sorround system on Debian ? if yes. what should i do in order to activate my Center in/out ? |
| 13:54.27 | h3sp4wn | Wyzard: I am talking about the ralink wireless drivers |
| 13:54.41 | Wyzard | c0nf: nvidia-glx is the 64-bit OpenGL library and the xorg driver; you need that to be able to run X |
| 13:54.42 | h3sp4wn | Wyzard: devicescape is in git kernel now |
| 13:54.49 | Wyzard | h3sp4wn: oops, sorry :-) |
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| 13:55.05 | stoned | Wyzard: hey did you ever go to sleep? |
| 13:55.07 | c0nf | Wyzard: if nvidia-glx is the 64-bit opengl library, why do i need nvidia-glx-ia32? |
| 13:55.08 | Wyzard | c0nf: You don't *need* nvidia-glx-ia32, but without it you won't get hardware-accelerated 3D in 32-bit programs |
| 13:55.25 | c0nf | Wyzard: oh, ok.. so i'll add it at the end of line? |
| 13:55.35 | Wyzard | c0nf: (I discovered this when I installed Quake 4 on my 64-bit system and it was really slow) |
| 13:55.39 | Wyzard | yeah |
| 13:55.43 | c0nf | okay thanks |
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| 13:55.50 | irule | hi |
| 13:55.55 | stoned | Wyzard: I woke up in the middle of the night and you were here and I just now woke up in the morning |
| 13:56.08 | stoned | Wyzard: now thats what I call devotion |
| 13:56.09 | stoned | hehe |
| 13:56.12 | irule | what are the correct sources.list for a debian sarge? |
| 13:56.19 | way2go | hello. is there anybody having a perfect 5.1 sorround system on Debian ? if yes. what should i do in order to activate my Center in/out ? |
| 13:56.25 | Azar | ..yeah we left Wyzard helping last night.... |
| 13:56.26 | Wyzard | stoned: I was idling, or actively talking? |
| 13:56.34 | stoned | you were talking |
| 13:56.52 | Wyzard | stoned: I don't know what timezone you're in, but it's 10am here and I went to bed around 1am last night and woke up an hour ago |
| 13:57.00 | stoned | oh ok |
| 13:57.00 | Crypticfortune | ok, so when gdm says "Warning, couldn't open module nvidia" what kind of module is it talking about? i built and loaded the nvidia kernel module.... |
| 13:57.06 | Azar | irule: use a paster, paste your sources.list we will see what's wrong with yours |
| 13:57.07 | stoned | I went to bed around midnight and woke up about 1 |
| 13:57.10 | stoned | im in eastern |
| 13:57.15 | stoned | i got about 10am too |
| 13:57.23 | Wyzard | Crypticfortune: probably the xorg driver, which is in the nvidia-glx package |
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| 13:57.48 | pabst | where are the conf files for smbldap-tools stored on debian? |
| 13:58.19 | Wyzard | Crypticfortune: The kernel module doesn't do anything by itself; it's just a dependency of the xorg driver and OpenGL library |
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| 13:58.55 | Crypticfortune | Wyzard: ah, thanks! for someone reason that one missed getting upgraded. lets see if that fixes it... |
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| 13:59.19 | c0nf | Wyzard: which driver do i need to choose? nv or nvidia? nv, right? |
| 13:59.24 | Wyzard | c0nf: nvidia |
| 13:59.30 | c0nf | oh, ok.. thx |
| 13:59.31 | Wyzard | c0nf: nv is the open-source 2D-only one |
| 13:59.36 | wols_ | pabst: all config files are generally in /etc |
| 13:59.37 | enouf | c0nf: choose ONE-LINER |
| 14:00.09 | c0nf | enouf: dude.. !!! i'm already following one-liner |
| 14:00.45 | Crypticfortune | eek. now i get errors about the xorg driver being a different version from the kernel module. i guess when i remade the kernel module a couple minutes ago it was using the old nividia-glx package? funky.... |
| 14:01.35 | Wyzard | Crypticfortune: If you upgraded the nvidia driver from a previously-installed version, maybe you still have the old version of the kernel module loaded |
| 14:01.43 | Wyzard | Crypticfortune: Unload it with rmmod and then reload it |
| 14:02.01 | sinizzl | allright. i installed the newest rt2570 driver and it still says invalid argument if i want to set it to master mode.... u were sayinng something of "devicescape" _? what-s this > |
| 14:02.05 | sinizzl | ? |
| 14:02.06 | c0nf | Wyzard: should i use kernel framebuffer device interface? |
| 14:02.07 | concept10 | dammit! Im sick of failing power supplies. |
| 14:02.10 | jetscreamer | as seen on tv |
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| 14:02.19 | jetscreamer | c0nf: no if nvidia |
| 14:02.22 | mike1o | pihhan, I have to write a vnc program with UI ssh capabilities :-) |
| 14:02.24 | humbolto | I am trying to upgrade my etch installation (old sid) but am constantly getting: Failed to fetch Size mismatch |
| 14:02.28 | Wyzard | c0nf: I don't think it matters in most cases; I'd go with the default |
| 14:02.29 | c0nf | jetscreamer: ok, thanks |
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| 14:02.36 | c0nf | :) |
| 14:02.48 | enouf | even with xorg nv you wouldn't use it |
| 14:02.52 | jetscreamer | Wyzard: nvidia cards don't like that |
| 14:02.58 | Wyzard | ok |
| 14:03.00 | berzerking | hello world |
| 14:03.14 | jetscreamer | hey look it's a program |
| 14:03.19 | jetscreamer | named berzerking |
| 14:03.39 | mike1o | pihhan, I guess I gotta get it working first :-) |
| 14:03.51 | way2go | hello. is there anybody having a perfect 5.1 sorround system on Debian ? if yes. what should i do in order to activate my Center in/out ? |
| 14:03.54 | Crypticfortune | Wyzard: yeah just tried that. unfortunately "m-a a-i nvidia" says that version 9755 is already installed, but when i do "rmmod nvidia;modprobe -i nvidia" it says it's version 8776 =( |
| 14:03.58 | berzerking | is there anybody who can explain me how make work a 3com 3CXFE575CT wich is reconized like a 3CCFE575CT ... help ... |
| 14:04.14 | berzerking | ps i m french ... so my english is not very good |
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| 14:04.23 | Zee1ot | hello |
| 14:04.27 | Azar | way2go: surround what? sound? |
| 14:04.33 | way2go | yes |
| 14:05.09 | Azar | way2go: hmmmm never heard of, but maybe there is a package somewhere.. |
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| 14:05.28 | Wyzard | berzerking: I have a 3CCFE575CT-D which is a CardBus card for a laptop, and it works with the 3c59x driver |
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| 14:05.53 | way2go | Azar i run debian, have a 5.1 soundcard with 3 in/outs ( orange, black and green ). The orange one, Center/Bass does not work. have 2.6.18 kernel, the soundcard works only with 2 in/outs ( without Center ). the speakers are functionable. do i have to set smth in alsamixer or what should i do in order to get a perfect 5.1 sorround sound ? |
| 14:06.13 | way2go | Azar what package ? i think u cannot follow me |
| 14:06.13 | berzerking | thanks but how can i make that ... |
| 14:06.16 | tarzeau | Azar: we play #bub-n-bros tonight? |
| 14:06.32 | c0nf | Wyzard: wth.. i can't startx :| 'no screens found' .. uhm |
| 14:06.33 | Zee1ot | I installed apache2 and it works fine exept that if I go to localhost/~zeelot/ I get 'Not Found' even after I make an index.php (php is working fine too) in /home/zeelot/public_html/ |
| 14:06.34 | Wyzard | berzerking: It's a kernel module |
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| 14:06.56 | Wyzard | !tell c0nf about no screens found |
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| 14:07.24 | Wyzard | Zee1ot: a2enmod userdir |
| 14:07.33 | Wyzard | Zee1ot: support for ~user isn't enabled by default |
| 14:07.46 | Zee1ot | ah thank you |
| 14:07.58 | mne | hi, after the last upgrade (i'm on unstable) flashplugin-nonfree does not work anymore in firefox (iceweasel). in other browsers it seems to work. does anyone else have this problem ? |
| 14:08.06 | Zee1ot | I figured it was something like that just didn't know what should be done |
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| 14:08.17 | Azar | tarzeau!! :) |
| 14:08.38 | Azar | way2go: did you tried to tinker with alsaconf and alsamixer? there might be some options there |
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| 14:09.09 | way2go | Azar i did. cant figure where the problem is |
| 14:09.16 | c0nf | Wyzard: ...which probably begins with (EE) - (EE) No devices detected. |
| 14:09.18 | Azar | tarzeau: depends what "tonight" means for you, here is 7:00am right now |
| 14:09.33 | Wyzard | c0nf: What video card do you have? |
| 14:09.36 | way2go | Azar is there anybody having a perfect 5.1 sorround system on Debian ? |
| 14:09.40 | c0nf | Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce 7900 GT/GTO |
| 14:09.43 | Zee1ot | Wyzard: 'module does not exist!' |
| 14:10.09 | Wyzard | Zee1ot: You said you're using apache2, right? |
| 14:10.14 | Zee1ot | yes |
| 14:10.34 | Wyzard | Zee1ot: /etc/apache2/mods-available/userdir.conf should exist, and that's what a2enmod looks for |
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| 14:10.48 | tarzeau | Azar: after 3 or so hours |
| 14:10.50 | c0nf | Wyzard: soo..? i have NVIDIA GeForce 7900 GT |
| 14:10.54 | tarzeau | Azar: can be later too |
| 14:11.15 | Wyzard | c0nf: That's the right driver for your card, so I don't know why it isn't found |
| 14:11.30 | Wyzard | c0nf: Is the nvidia kernel module loaded, and if not, are you able to load it? |
| 14:11.39 | Zee1ot | aha got it thanks alot ^_^ |
| 14:11.46 | Azar | tarzeau: awww... I got to go to a pre-op at the dentist later today.. |
| 14:11.47 | way2go | Azar is there anybody having a perfect 5.1 sorround sound system on Debian ? |
| 14:11.48 | c0nf | Wyzard: how do i check? :$ |
| 14:12.08 | Wyzard | c0nf: modprobe nvidia |
| 14:12.13 | Azar | way2go: don't know about, did not see anyone here with such request so far.. http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=85a12041807e0ddb14095a9493a42d5d&t=418790 |
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| 14:12.19 | Azar | check that forum |
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| 14:12.42 | way2go | thanks |
| 14:12.45 | c0nf | Wyzard: NVRM: No NVIDIA graphics adapter found! :O |
| 14:12.56 | enouf | you suck |
| 14:13.00 | Azar | hehe |
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| 14:13.22 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 14:13.22 | dpkg | qotd96 is, like, <linuxrules> i dont have problems with languaje |
| 14:13.25 | Wyzard | c0nf: You're using nvidia-glx and not nvidia-glx-legacy, right? |
| 14:13.38 | c0nf | Wyzard: right |
| 14:14.06 | Wyzard | c0nf: dunno then... check with lspci that you really have a 7900 |
| 14:14.15 | c0nf | Wyzard: rofl. i do have a 7900 |
| 14:14.17 | Wyzard | c0nf: It sounds like the module is properly installed and the system is able to (attempt to) load it, but the module goes looking for supported hardware and doesn't find any |
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| 14:14.47 | Azar | tarzeau: something for you to keep you warm: http://www.bash.org/?756353 |
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| 14:14.52 | Wyzard | c0nf: The only ways I can think of that happening is if you have an old card that needs the legacy driver, or you're using the legacy driver with a newer card, or you have no nVidia card at all |
| 14:14.54 | c0nf | Wyzard: maybe i set wrong BusID? i left default.. ("PCI:0:15:0") |
| 14:15.09 | Crypticfortune | ok, so for some reason, after rebuilding the module several times, "modprobe nvidia" still says that it's loading 1.0-8776 (despite the fact that the m-a a-i output is always referring to 9755 (output here: http://rafb.net/p/0Ub9ld12.html |
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| 14:15.21 | irule | I think I found it myself deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free |
| 14:15.23 | tarzeau | Azar: LOL |
| 14:15.24 | Wyzard | c0nf: Unless you have multiple video cards you don't need to specify the busID at all, but that's an xorg thing and doesn't affect the kernel module |
| 14:15.32 | Azar | :) |
| 14:15.33 | heroin_ | how do i create a shortcut for an application? |
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| 14:15.36 | heroin_ | iam using gnome |
| 14:15.53 | c0nf | Wyzard: okay, bah.. i dunno what to do.. i DO have a 7900 |
| 14:15.58 | Wyzard | c0nf: Are you using a framebuffer console by any chance? |
| 14:16.21 | c0nf | Wyzard: no, when it asked me if i want it i press 'no' |
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| 14:16.46 | c0nf | Wyzard: or this is not the thing you're talking about lol |
| 14:16.50 | Wyzard | c0nf: Not the framebuffer device interface question |
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| 14:17.18 | Wyzard | c0nf: your system's text console -- are you using any "video=" or "vga=" boot options to get a text mode that's bigger than 80x25? |
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| 14:17.29 | mike1o | pihhan, I got it working! but I couldn't see anything on the screen... guess I gotta set some params... |
| 14:17.36 | randomity | could anyone help me get sound working? kernel picks up sound card, alsa is installed, alsamixer+kmix tell me volume is full, but nothing comes out |
| 14:17.56 | c0nf | Wyzard: actually, i'm not using anything.. i havent touched that |
| 14:18.00 | mike1o | pihhan, I did " Xvnc :1 passwordfile=.vnc/passwd " |
| 14:18.00 | esaym | well if anyone remembers me complaining about my Esc key not working yesterday....The key is broken, so it's not a debian problem.... |
| 14:18.03 | esaym | sad |
| 14:18.11 | Wyzard | c0nf: ok, dunno then |
| 14:18.15 | heroin_ | how do i create a shortcut for this > ~/.wine/drive_c/Program Files/Valve$ wine hl.exe -nomaster -game cstrike -width 1024 height 768 |
| 14:18.17 | JosefAssad | randomity: FWIW, that was a problem I had with my on board intel sound chip. I had to pass model=asus to the module |
| 14:18.38 | c0nf | Wyzard: maybe the .log file would help you somehow? |
| 14:18.42 | jayxf | try to see if your pcm is up too |
| 14:18.50 | randomity | JosefAssad: thanks, this is an intel sound chip. I've used other distros and it's worked fine, but I'll try that! |
| 14:18.51 | Wyzard | c0nf: lspci | grep GeForce |
| 14:18.59 | Wyzard | c0nf: That should return one line; paste it |
| 14:19.03 | jayxf | usuall they just see master to full and pcm is 0 |
| 14:19.13 | JosefAssad | randomity: just about anything today sound wise is an intel chip :) |
| 14:19.16 | c0nf | Wyzard: it didn't return anything |
| 14:19.31 | randomity | JosefAssad: heh. all volumes are up |
| 14:19.33 | enouf | -i |
| 14:19.44 | Wyzard | c0nf: lspci | grep nVidia |
| 14:19.49 | ofer | I started hating Beep Media Player. what do you use to play your music ? |
| 14:19.55 | Wyzard | ofer: quodlibet |
| 14:19.59 | c0nf | Wyzard: same.. |
| 14:20.12 | jayxf | run alsaconf and add if to modeprobe.d |
| 14:20.15 | Wyzard | c0nf: sounds like you have no nVidia card in your system |
| 14:20.17 | enouf | Wyzard: fwiw VGA usually goes it |
| 14:20.24 | Wyzard | good point |
| 14:20.25 | enouf | er s/goes/does |
| 14:20.30 | Wyzard | c0nf: lspci | grep VGA |
| 14:20.30 | c0nf | Wyzard: dude... i do have it, i can take a pic if you'd like rofl |
| 14:20.42 | randomity | jayxf: i've already alsaconf'd, no luck there |
| 14:20.45 | Wyzard | c0nf: here's what I get: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G70 [GeForce 7600 GS] (rev a1) |
| 14:20.48 | c0nf | Wyzard: it gave something, lemme copy |
| 14:21.03 | enouf | !hurry |
| 14:21.03 | dpkg | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... We do not cater to the ["me!me!me! : mine!mine!mine! : now!now!now!now!"] crowd .. so bugger off! Run home crying now ..and tell jo'momma that we spanked you! |
| 14:21.13 | ofer | Wyzard, it's written in python =\ |
| 14:21.20 | Wyzard | ofer: so? |
| 14:21.26 | Lamperi | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:21.34 | c0nf | Wyzard: 00:0f.0 VGA compatible controller: VMware Inc [VMware SVGA II] PCI Display Adapter <- lol.. (i'm currently installing it on vmware, if it'll be successful - i gonna install it 'normally' |
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| 14:21.46 | h3sp4wn | ofer: I use amarok (I haven't found anything better) or moc (executable mocp) |
| 14:21.46 | Wyzard | c0nf: lol |
| 14:21.47 | JosefAssad | PerfDave: when xmms doesn't give me a bazillion taskbar entries in fluxbox, I'll think about it. |
| 14:21.55 | Alumin | enouf: scuse me if this question already got answered, but I just saw it in the scrollback |
| 14:21.58 | Wyzard | c0nf: Your REAL computer has an nVidia card... your VIRTUAL MACHINE does not |
| 14:21.59 | jayxf | randomity : try to set volume using amixer |
| 14:22.04 | Crypticfortune | c0nf: you're using an emulated card, of course it's not an nvidia =p |
| 14:22.05 | jayxf | then login x and see if it works |
| 14:22.09 | Alumin | the two kernel headers packages, one 20K and the other one some MB |
| 14:22.10 | c0nf | lol |
| 14:22.12 | jetscreamer | sounds like you should blame flux |
| 14:22.12 | wols_ | c0nf: under vmware you have an old S3 card |
| 14:22.17 | ofer | h3sp4wn, yeah, I think I'll try amarok. thanks |
| 14:22.19 | Wyzard | c0nf: The whole point of VMware is that it's a computer implemented in software |
| 14:22.25 | Alumin | I'd assume the difference is that one is a metapackage, see how it doesn't specify an architecture |
| 14:22.26 | Wyzard | c0nf: All the hardware is emulated |
| 14:22.34 | enouf | !spank c0nf |
| 14:22.34 | h3sp4wn | ofer: what de/wm do you use ? |
| 14:22.38 | c0nf | gaaah.. |
| 14:22.41 | ofer | h3sp4wn, GNOME |
| 14:22.50 | randomity | jayxf: all up 100% |
| 14:22.54 | ofer | (metacity) |
| 14:23.01 | randomity | jayxf: I can't even play sound with aplay |
| 14:23.06 | c0nf | Wyzard: any way of getting it work? (which driver i need to choose for it) |
| 14:23.06 | jetscreamer | Alumin: no, it's more like the -k7 or -686 contain the proc specific stuff... try apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` ` not ' |
| 14:23.20 | jetscreamer | try vesa |
| 14:23.22 | h3sp4wn | ofer: If the startup time bothers you you can prelink kde |
| 14:23.26 | c0nf | okay |
| 14:23.28 | jayxf | do you have another operating system on the same pc ? |
| 14:23.28 | ofer | jetscreamer, $(cmd) == `cmd` |
| 14:23.39 | ofer | h3sp4wn, prelink ? |
| 14:23.42 | jetscreamer | oh did you paste that too? |
| 14:23.45 | Wyzard | c0nf: For VMware you'd use the "vmware" driver, which is shipped with xorg so you don't need to do any special installation |
| 14:23.45 | jetscreamer | didn't see |
| 14:23.46 | enouf | Alumin: thanks for responding .. yes , i see your point well kindof, but it does say "all" |
| 14:23.50 | jayxf | seems like the sounds card is fried |
| 14:23.55 | h3sp4wn | ofer: saves you having to start kdeinit |
| 14:23.58 | c0nf | yay, works :p |
| 14:24.07 | Wyzard | c0nf: Alternatively you can use the S3 driver, I think, but the vmware driver will give better performance |
| 14:24.07 | ofer | h3sp4wn, how do I prelink it? |
| 14:24.16 | Alumin | enouf: maybe that's some kind of "common" package? |
| 14:24.17 | randomity | jayxf: nope, works on windows and all distros but debian etch |
| 14:24.25 | c0nf | Wyzard: thanks for all the help :p works.. now i gonna check it out a bit, and install it on my box |
| 14:24.25 | enouf | Alumin: the smaller one that is .. and i have d/l and dpkg -c | less it |
| 14:24.29 | randomity | including ubuntu, which is basically debian |
| 14:24.29 | Alumin | something that some metapackage would depend on along with the actual headers |
| 14:24.31 | Wyzard | c0nf: There's also a "vmmouse" driver that gives you nicer mouse functionality |
| 14:24.31 | jayxf | i've got debian etch too |
| 14:24.38 | Wyzard | c0nf: VMware Tools sets this stuff up for you, btw |
| 14:24.39 | enouf | Alumin: what yiu suggest makes some sense though |
| 14:24.44 | jayxf | which desktop interface you on ? |
| 14:24.48 | randomity | kde |
| 14:24.58 | Alumin | I dunno, I'm just ruminating really...would need to actually look at the package descriptions :) |
| 14:25.03 | jayxf | i did alsaconf, reboot ,a dn bam everything was working |
| 14:25.05 | randomity | but i'm not using kde's sound. I'm trying to play sound with aplay or esd |
| 14:25.14 | Alumin | apt-cache show <package> doesn't illuminate the differences? |
| 14:25.19 | randomity | that happened to me on every distro but debian etch |
| 14:25.23 | liable | why did gnome swap back to using those fucking ugly brown milk carton looking icons for files? |
| 14:25.41 | randomity | jayxf: and this is about the 7th distro this computer/sound card has had |
| 14:25.43 | enouf | Alumin: my point too then .. no biggy .. i'll worry about it when necessary ;-0 .. was just curious myself for now |
| 14:26.00 | chops | randomity: File a bug? |
| 14:26.02 | jayxf | though, i am having trouble with usb :S freecom dvb-t anyone |
| 14:26.16 | jayxf | Bus 004 Device 003: ID 14aa:0225 AVerMedia (again) or C&E Bus 004 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 |
| 14:26.17 | enouf | Alumin: erm .. i don;t have it as in my sources.list .. was just browsing |
| 14:26.24 | Alumin | KDE + ESD? interesting combination |
| 14:26.30 | enouf | ouch |
| 14:26.31 | Alumin | ah |
| 14:26.33 | randomity | chops: I probably should. Do I have to specify a particular package? |
| 14:26.34 | Alumin | dpkg -i then? |
| 14:26.34 | dpkg | package then is already installed |
| 14:26.42 | Alumin | er, dpkg --info |
| 14:26.43 | Alumin | heh |
| 14:26.49 | enouf | that's not only an ARTSD mess .. but an ESD one as well .. lol |
| 14:26.51 | jayxf | seems to find the device, but , i don't think the stick is working |
| 14:26.58 | Azar | randomity: did you add yourself to sound group? |
| 14:27.04 | jayxf | firmware is in /lib/firmware |
| 14:27.05 | randomity | Alumin: I'm not using kde+esd. I'm just using esd to test sound |
| 14:27.07 | liable | audio |
| 14:27.11 | randomity | Azar: yes |
| 14:27.15 | Azar | oh yes audio |
| 14:27.15 | Alumin | ah |
| 14:27.43 | chops | randomity: Audio is always kind of a crapshoot... alsa-base is a decent one. |
| 14:27.45 | Azar | randomity: ok... did you told your application to use alsa? |
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| 14:28.09 | randomity | Azar: One of my applications was aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav |
| 14:28.14 | randomity | so yes, I was using alsa |
| 14:28.54 | Crypticfortune | holy crap! why is it that "m-a a-i nvidia" always builds me a version 8776 module when the module it builds is actually called nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-xen-amd64_1.0.9755 ??? nvidia-glx requires 9755 =( |
| 14:28.54 | c0nf | Wyzard: hey, one more question - do you know what's the name of package, which i require for "printscreening"? (for xfce4) :p |
| 14:28.54 | Azar | randomity: from my experience after I installed xmms I had to configure it so to replace oss with alsa... that what I am talking |
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| 14:29.09 | chops | c0nf: scrot works well for me |
| 14:29.19 | randomity | Azar: ahh, ok. I'm not using xmms (yet anyway) |
| 14:29.33 | Azar | randomity: try xmms see if is working with it |
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| 14:29.46 | c0nf | chops: oh.. gonna check it |
| 14:30.11 | h3sp4wn | ofer: have a look around - for prelink kde on google (you might have to rebuild part of it) are you on a fast machine ? |
| 14:30.11 | randomity | Azar: if it doesn't work with aplay or esd or anything in kde, then xmms isn't going to work |
| 14:30.12 | Wyzard | c0nf: I generally use gimp for screenshots, but more lightweight tools (like scrot) are available |
| 14:30.50 | Azar | randomity: also /etc/modules see if is there any oss module loaded, comment it and replace with alsa modules if they are not there |
| 14:30.50 | randomity | ok |
| 14:30.50 | ofer | h3sp4wn, yeah, amarok runs okay. |
| 14:30.50 | ofer | I don't think I have to prelink |
| 14:30.51 | Azar | randomity: I don't use gnome, kde... but my sound works now with xmms |
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| 14:30.51 | randomity | ok |
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| 14:32.51 | chops | c0nf: You should see a newly-created screenshot that scrot took |
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| 14:33.03 | chops | c0nf: See 'man scrot' for other options (delay, wait for a click on a window, etc.) |
| 14:33.10 | randomity | different question: how do I stop my computer from doing ipv6 dns lookups? I don't have ipv6, and the module isn't loaded, yet glibc insists on doing AAAA lookups for every address |
| 14:33.13 | chops | c0nf: And options for naming the resulting screenshot, of course |
| 14:33.33 | c0nf | chops: ok.. thanks |
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| 14:34.57 | liable | glibc does ipv6 lookups? |
| 14:35.03 | mumperer | Hi :) |
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| 14:35.22 | randomity | liable: whenever any program looks up a domain address, an AAAA query gets sent, not an A query |
| 14:35.49 | randomity | liable: this annoys me because my router is one of the buggy ones that ignore AAAA queries |
| 14:35.50 | liable | randomity: blacklist ipv6 |
| 14:35.53 | h3sp4wn | randomity: which version of glibc ? |
| 14:35.54 | randomity | liable: done that |
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| 14:36.01 | endra | hey |
| 14:36.09 | endra | if I have 2 libraries and I want to install them, how can I do so? |
| 14:36.10 | randomity | h3sp4wn: etch |
| 14:36.13 | endra | okay, thats vague. |
| 14:36.16 | liable | randomity: mine too, and blacklisting the module fixes it |
| 14:36.16 | randomity | h3sp4wn: 2.3.6 |
| 14:36.22 | endra | If I have 2 libraries that dont want to be installed together, how can I force them? |
| 14:36.30 | randomity | liable: ok, but no luck here |
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| 14:36.35 | tarzeau | endra: which? |
| 14:36.45 | tarzeau | endra: put them at different places? |
| 14:36.51 | endra | libswet3.2-gtk-java and libswt-gtk-3.2-java |
| 14:37.00 | endra | same library, different names. One for azureus, one for eclipse |
| 14:37.04 | endra | Its forcing me in a either or situation |
| 14:37.05 | liable | randomity: change its alias and blacklist it |
| 14:37.05 | chops | endra: If they don't want to install together, there's probably a reason |
| 14:37.13 | randomity | liable: ok |
| 14:37.15 | endra | chops: yes, someone made a mistake :P |
| 14:37.31 | enouf | Wyzard++ |
| 14:37.35 | randomity | endra: yes, that annoys me too. I think it's just a bug in the packaging |
| 14:37.47 | chops | endra: If you don't know how to forcibly install them both, you may not be able to solve the difficulties that will result from installing both of them :-P |
| 14:37.50 | endra | Eclipse uses libswt3.2-gtk-java and azureus uses libswt-gtk-3.2-java |
| 14:37.57 | liable | randomity: /etc/modutils/alias |
| 14:38.00 | randomity | endra: you could force-deps, but it might break everything |
| 14:38.02 | randomity | liable: thanks |
| 14:38.13 | liable | uncomment it and then add it to the blacklist file too |
| 14:38.19 | chops | endra: That sounds a lot like a packaging bug, yes... are they all Debian packages? |
| 14:38.23 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 14:38.33 | Wyzard | yeah, it's always baffled me why those two packages exist |
| 14:38.33 | randomity | chops: yes |
| 14:38.36 | chops | endra: (i.e. from official Debian repos. I assume that the anwer is, "no" :-) |
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| 14:38.46 | randomity | chops: they are |
| 14:38.54 | Wyzard | In unstable they don't conflict with each other though |
| 14:38.56 | SoulChild | HELP: a modul is loaded at startup, although it's blacklisted, what to do ? |
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| 14:39.06 | endra | chops: they are indeed |
| 14:39.07 | Thms | why shoud I separate /dev if I install debian ? |
| 14:39.17 | endra | chops: aptitude install eclipse azureus |
| 14:39.18 | liable | you shouldnt |
| 14:39.27 | Wyzard | SoulChild: Regenerate your initramfs -- that contains some modules and loads them at boot time, and it doesn't know what's blacklisted because the root filesystem hasn't been mounted yet |
| 14:39.28 | Thms | liable: why ? |
| 14:39.36 | Wyzard | SoulChild: Regenerating it will leave the blacklisted stuff out |
| 14:39.43 | liable | Thms: why should you? |
| 14:39.47 | Azar | Thms: why should you? |
| 14:39.49 | endra | I'm assuming this is a problem in the .deb file? |
| 14:39.50 | Azar | :) |
| 14:39.55 | endra | Thms: why should you? |
| 14:39.55 | SoulChild | Wyzard: thanks, how do i renegate it ? |
| 14:40.03 | Azar | hehe |
| 14:40.05 | Wyzard | SoulChild: update-initramfs -u |
| 14:40.10 | SoulChild | Wyzard: thank you |
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| 14:40.25 | enouf | liable: isn;t it /etc/modprobe.d/aliases ?? |
| 14:40.51 | endra | No seriously though, I heard it was fixed in unstable, but I dont know WHAT was fixed, eclipse, azureus or the dependency |
| 14:40.58 | chops | endra: Yes, I see. That is broken, yes. |
| 14:41.08 | chops | endra: It works for me in sid, but I see the two packages |
| 14:41.13 | SoulChild | Wyzard: woow, i think, that solved the problem. Thanks dude,... restarting |
| 14:41.14 | liable | enouf: i uncommented the alias in modutils |
| 14:41.21 | endra | And I just started debian so I don't want to go snooping around breaking things |
| 14:41.26 | enouf | oh .. i see ..my bad |
| 14:41.33 | enouf | liable: ^^^ |
| 14:41.38 | randomity | endra: it is genuinely broken: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=336405 |
| 14:41.39 | chops | endra: It's actually a bunch more (libswt32-gtk-jni, libswt-gtk-3.2-java, of the humanity) |
| 14:41.52 | chops | endra: It's obviously not right. |
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| 14:42.02 | liable | enouf: the one that says 'off' |
| 14:42.07 | randomity | endra: what I do is download the azureus package from sourceforge, and run it straight from its jar file with the eclipse libraries installed |
| 14:42.14 | liable | enouf: what am i looking up at? |
| 14:42.23 | randomity | endra: it works, but you dont get all the debian package goodness ;-) |
| 14:42.36 | c0nf | Wyzard: sorry for disturbing, but how do i make some 'welcome screen', where i could enter username or something.. always when i start system up it shows me terminal with.. enter username etc, and then i have to type startx :| |
| 14:42.39 | endra | yea, I hate doing that :-/ |
| 14:42.57 | Wyzard | c0nf: install gdm |
| 14:43.02 | randomity | c0nf: install kdm |
| 14:43.04 | randomity | ;-) |
| 14:43.11 | enouf | liable: just the line above that |
| 14:43.25 | endra | okay how about this.. can't I just symlink one to the other? |
| 14:43.31 | liable | enouf: oh :) |
| 14:43.34 | c0nf | what's the difference between gdm n kdm? |
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| 14:43.42 | randomity | c0nf: gnome and kde |
| 14:43.42 | Wyzard | endra: Presumably the packages conflict with each other for a reason... |
| 14:43.44 | endra | c0nf: gdm for gnome, kdm for kde |
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| 14:43.54 | enouf | liable: i'm saying all i thought you needed to do was change /etc/modprob.d/aliases from ipv6 to off |
| 14:44.02 | endra | Wyzard: but its the same library though is it not? Just a different way of naming it |
| 14:44.09 | enouf | liable: er /etc/modprobe.d/aliases |
| 14:44.14 | Wyzard | c0nf: but it's really just GTK vs. QT; you aren't forced to use gnome just because you use gdm |
| 14:44.26 | Wyzard | endra: They're different builds of the same library, which I guess are incompatible in some way |
| 14:44.35 | jayxf | anyone using etch, do you know why it uses /dev/.static rather than /dev ? |
| 14:44.36 | Wyzard | endra: Otherwise there wouldn't be two conflicting packages |
| 14:44.39 | liable | enouf: theres a commented line in modutils, i guess its six of one, half a dozen of the other. it works for me though |
| 14:44.40 | endra | Also, that bugs.debian.org link is under 'wontfix' state.. that can't be good |
| 14:44.42 | jayxf | i am gettng this message |
| 14:44.44 | c0nf | ok, thanks all |
| 14:44.45 | randomity | Wyzard: nope, they're compatible, just packaged differently |
| 14:44.46 | jayxf | Device: /dev/dvb/adapter0/net0 |
| 14:44.46 | jayxf | Error: couldn't open device /dev/dvb/adapter0/net0: 2 No such file or directory |
| 14:44.46 | jayxf | jason@debian:~$ |
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| 14:45.00 | randomity | Wyzard: I use the eclipse ones with the azureus package from sourceforge |
| 14:45.03 | Wyzard | jayxf: /dev/.static is the static /dev on your hard drive, which is "hidden" by the dynamically-managed /dev created by udev |
| 14:45.13 | Thms | what size shoud I use for /boot ? |
| 14:45.18 | enouf | liable: gotcha .. your ways looks more apropo too according to what the comments in the file say ;-) |
| 14:45.21 | jayxf | but the directory exists in ./statics |
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| 14:45.34 | Wyzard | randomity: well, "incompatible" can mean "will probably work in 99% of cases but there are some known cases where it won't" |
| 14:45.35 | randomity | Thms: why do you feel you need a separate boot partition? |
| 14:45.36 | jayxf | but the usb device is not seen and thus notworking |
| 14:45.47 | Thms | randomity: don't know |
| 14:45.52 | Azar | Thms: did you just partition for each and every directory? :) |
| 14:45.58 | Thms | yes :D |
| 14:46.05 | Thms | for /dev and /boot only |
| 14:46.06 | Azar | why would you do so? |
| 14:46.06 | endra | Okay, assuming its been fixed in unstable, how often do fixes get merged? |
| 14:46.13 | Wyzard | Thms: 50MB is plenty unless you plan on having a bunch of kernels installed |
| 14:46.15 | huhlig | hmm |
| 14:46.17 | randomity | it's a lot easier just to have them all on one |
| 14:46.23 | endra | .. in other words, when can I expect this to be ready to go the genuine way |
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| 14:46.36 | Wyzard | Thms: but you don't actually need a separate /boot unless you're installing the rest of your system on LVM or software RAID or something |
| 14:46.44 | Azar | Thms: the usual goes with a swap and the rest... no need to partition for /dev and /boot |
| 14:46.50 | jayxf | bah usb is driving me nuts |
| 14:46.50 | randomity | endra: depends: are you using stable (etch) or testing (lenny)? |
| 14:46.53 | liable | enouf: its a fucking stupid thing having so many module dir/files but thats just my opinion. htf you're supposed to know which does what is anyones guess |
| 14:47.05 | endra | randomity: to tell you the truth, I do not know. |
| 14:47.13 | Crypticfortune | did xfce replace gnome as the the default session manager in lenny? |
| 14:47.18 | jayxf | anyone can help with dvb-t ? |
| 14:47.21 | tarzeau | Crypticfortune: i doubt |
| 14:47.28 | Azar | Thms: if you really want one extra you could do the /home |
| 14:47.33 | randomity | endra: cat /etc/apt/sources.list and see does it say stable or testing |
| 14:47.45 | Crypticfortune | tarzeau: then why did i suddenly start into xfce..... |
| 14:47.52 | endra | Oh, I added all 3 of them in sources :P |
| 14:48.01 | tarzeau | Crypticfortune: fam conflicting packages probably? |
| 14:48.03 | enouf | liable: i know .. don;t sweat it though :-P .. it's a conundrum worthy of bongos O.o |
| 14:48.09 | endra | I have sarge, etch, and Sid |
| 14:48.13 | randomity | oh, ok |
| 14:48.18 | kingsley | If anyone here happens to be using the "wikipediafs" package, how do you like it? |
| 14:48.18 | endra | randomity: I also preferenced them in that order |
| 14:48.23 | liable | endra: why oh why? |
| 14:48.24 | enouf | err add one more n in there somewhere |
| 14:48.29 | tarzeau | endra: and which do you like to use most? and popularity-contest on all of them? |
| 14:48.32 | endra | liable: because I need tremulous? lol |
| 14:48.34 | Crypticfortune | incidentally, fixed my earlier problem about having the wrong version of nvidia module by doing a manual make, make install of the module >_< |
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| 14:48.43 | endra | tarzeau: what now? |
| 14:48.46 | tarzeau | liable, endra: i have the same, because testing is the least usable :) |
| 14:48.54 | Wyzard | Crypticfortune: :-/ |
| 14:48.55 | chops | endra: google for 'apt pinning' |
| 14:48.59 | tarzeau | endra: 16:48 < endra> I have sarge, etch, and Sid |
| 14:49.01 | liable | endra: if you have done a dist-upgrade, you are running sid.. have fun |
| 14:49.03 | tarzeau | endra: your favourite? |
| 14:49.09 | endra | tarzeau: my favorite what? |
| 14:49.11 | tarzeau | endra: wait you don't have them all in one machine/system? |
| 14:49.17 | chops | endra: You can run an etch system with a selected subset of packages from sid |
| 14:49.23 | tarzeau | endra: do you like sid best? |
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| 14:49.31 | chops | endra: But as liable said, you are probably running sid now if you put them all in sources.list |
| 14:49.35 | enouf | !pinning |
| 14:49.35 | dpkg | apt-pinning is probably read man apt_preferences. It has good examples. see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning or see http://wiki.serios.net/wiki/Apt-Pinning_on_Debian |
| 14:49.35 | tarzeau | chops: yuck |
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| 14:49.45 | endra | .. I thought packages were marked, not the os itself |
| 14:49.54 | chops | tarzeau: You disapprove of running etch+a few from sid? |
| 14:49.57 | tarzeau | isn't pinning broken? and mixing repos cannibalism? |
| 14:49.58 | stew | chops: you can run it such a way, but it is not recommended nor supported |
| 14:50.04 | endra | If it finds it in sarge, it grabs it from there. If not in sarge, it tries etch, if not in etch, it tries sid |
| 14:50.15 | tarzeau | chops: no, not if you know what you do, but i'd do it not with pinning but !simple sid backports |
| 14:50.20 | liable | endra: you have set pinning up? |
| 14:50.21 | Azar | question here, installing etch on a brand new PC: testing desktop for the first time: here it goes: I can't have a working email installed since I asked my ISP to block port 25-- and I do not need an email installed. How do I avoid installing exim .. or at least disable it? |
| 14:50.21 | EvilDin | how could i make little program. that would check /home/*/program/program.conf, and read line Port=3800, and use only number 3800, and run screen -d -m -S 3800 ./program inside the dir /home/someoname/program/program ? |
| 14:50.22 | endra | My 'tremulous' package was not in Sarge, so thats why I followed some tutorial to add them all up |
| 14:50.23 | huhlig | hey don_inlab you around? |
| 14:50.29 | endra | liable: do you mean /etc/apt/preferences? |
| 14:50.33 | Crypticfortune | Wyzard: you don't approve? |
| 14:50.35 | liable | endra: ya |
| 14:50.40 | SoulChild | Wyzard: hey,... unfortuanly it didn't work, the modul is still loaded,... although its balcklisted and in initramfs ther is =m |
| 14:50.52 | endra | liable: yes, as I said earlier, I preferenced them in that way too: stable, testing, unstable |
| 14:51.03 | liable | endra: ah, okie |
| 14:51.08 | endra | am I doing something wrong here.. tell me if I am |
| 14:51.11 | endra | Its my third day using this OS |
| 14:51.15 | stew | endra: what version of libc6 do you have installed? |
| 14:51.20 | Wyzard | Crypticfortune: the "make" part presumably compiled exactly the same thing the package did, but I don't know what else "make install" does besides copying the module file into the right place |
| 14:51.43 | enouf | Azar: IINM, you just tell exim to not configure SmartHost when it appears |
| 14:51.44 | endra | stew: how to check? |
| 14:51.45 | liable | very little |
| 14:52.01 | Azar | enouf: thanks :) |
| 14:52.03 | randomity | EvilDin: cd wherever; screen -d -m -S $(sed -n 's/^Port=\([0-9]*\)$/\1/p' $HOME/program/program.conf) |
| 14:52.14 | chops | endra: If it is your third day running Debian, you should stay away from sid |
| 14:52.14 | randomity | sorry, add ./program to the end of that |
| 14:52.27 | stew | endra: what does "apt-cache policy libc6" say for Installed: ? (if you don't know how to check for such things you shoulnd't be using unstable) |
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| 14:52.55 | endra | 2.3.6.dsl-13 |
| 14:52.55 | Crypticfortune | Wyzard: that's exactly what make install did. why module-assistant was building (or possibly copying or refusing to copy) something different really confuses me.... |
| 14:53.04 | chops | endra: I would recommend etch or testing... since you need fixes not in etch (for your libswt problem), you may want to try testing |
| 14:53.08 | endra | stew: well, I'll remove unstable from sources.list |
| 14:53.22 | endra | I don't understand what you guys mean by etch or testing |
| 14:53.23 | enouf | Azar: can also; 1 don't use tasksel 2. there's two drxx options for exim, one is exim4-base, the other is exim4-config |
| 14:53.33 | endra | afaik, its just binary priority.. |
| 14:53.45 | liable | his comment confused me too |
| 14:53.46 | EvilDin | am i don't have users directly inside the home dir, i have them /home/program/*/program |
| 14:53.47 | endra | If its found in stable, it gets it from there. If not, it gets it from unstable |
| 14:54.02 | endra | you talk like I am getting all of my programs from unstable lol |
| 14:54.03 | Azar | enouf: thanks, yes indeed I never used tasksel on any of my Debian installations.. |
| 14:54.06 | Ronin | endra: wow, quick way to trash your system |
| 14:54.18 | Throat | cohee.... just updated to etch... now lets wait for the bugs :-/ |
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| 14:54.23 | randomity | EvilDin: replacing * with username? |
| 14:54.24 | stew | endra: you don't want to install unstable packages alongside stable. you want to use backports |
| 14:54.25 | jayxf | endra: etch means stable |
| 14:54.29 | EvilDin | yes |
| 14:54.36 | liable | endra: its actualy a better idea to backport a package for stable than pin to unstable |
| 14:54.37 | c0nf | i have quite stupid question, oh well.. - how can i change time? (i'm using xfce4) second mouse button on time doesn't rly help, i can only change 24h to 12h etc |
| 14:54.39 | stew | endra: /msg dpkg backports |
| 14:54.50 | chops | endra: All of Debian is available in stable and unstable (more or less); the situation you describe is basically an unstable system |
| 14:54.51 | randomity | EvilDin: use $USER |
| 14:54.52 | endra | stew: I did that, and that pinning article told me to add those sources |
| 14:55.03 | chops | endra: Also, listen to the other people -- do not use pinning, use backports. Do not listen to me. |
| 14:55.03 | enouf | Azar: no prob .. also install the "configure-debian" pkg ;-) |
| 14:55.08 | randomity | EvilDin: e.g. /home/program/$USER/program |
| 14:55.13 | EvilDin | am not username by server, it is just symbolic username, not in passwd |
| 14:55.20 | endra | So what you are saying here is to either use stable, or use testing? |
| 14:55.20 | liable | endra: i would rather build a package from upstream than add unstable on a stable box |
| 14:55.20 | endra | .. or unstable |
| 14:55.29 | stew | endra: that pinning article gave you horrible advice |
| 14:55.39 | randomity | EvilDin: so where have you stored the username? |
| 14:55.39 | c0nf | Wyzard: sry for disturbing, but... do you use xfce4? :p |
| 14:55.43 | endra | one sec. |
| 14:55.44 | Azar | enouf: unlike other OS-es (not to name them) for a Debian to be stable you use from stable repositories. Once you start inserting from other Debian versions (sid inclusive) or download and compile from outside world, you get an unstable system. It will work for a while.... then it will die slowly and painfully |
| 14:56.03 | Thms | how can i specify / is a boot partition in fdisk ? |
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| 14:56.20 | liable | Thms: you dont need to |
| 14:56.22 | Wyzard | c0nf: no, I use GNOME |
| 14:56.28 | Thms | liable: ok |
| 14:56.29 | endra | http://pastebin.ca/477216 |
| 14:56.34 | endra | ^^ That would be my sources.list |
| 14:56.43 | Azar | errr that was ment for endra, sorry enouf |
| 14:56.44 | liable | Thms: use cfdisk, its much easier |
| 14:56.44 | c0nf | Wyzard: oh, okay.. so you don't knw how to change time under xfce4? lol |
| 14:56.56 | Thms | liable: the is no * on boot for my / partition, is it normal ? |
| 14:56.58 | Throat | Azar, i dunno - I've been using unstable packages along stable for years - and it worked fine in 99% of the cases, I think |
| 14:57.00 | enouf | Azar: no worries |
| 14:57.03 | Ronin | endra: ouch |
| 14:57.05 | liable | Thms: thats fine |
| 14:57.08 | EvilDin | i have table somewhere else, this names in /home/program/ are just for me, so actually i need that script would look into /home/program/ and see which dirs are in it and to all of them check in for program.conf, read port and execute program inside the screen with name of port that program run on it |
| 14:57.08 | enouf | i was like wtf? :-p |
| 14:57.15 | endra | okay, so I am doing something wrong (clearly) |
| 14:57.16 | Thms | liable: ok |
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| 14:57.30 | Azar | endra: unlike other OS-es (not to name them) for a Debian to be stable you use from stable repositories. Once you start inserting from other Debian versions (sid inclusive) or download and compile from outside world, you get an unstable system. It will work for a while.... then it will die slowly and painfully |
| 14:57.42 | randomity | EvilDin: ok. for i in /home/program/*; do ...; done where ... uses $i to mean the username |
| 14:57.49 | endra | http://pastebin.ca/477220 <-- my preferences file |
| 14:58.04 | Throat | Azar, so what will it die of? boredom, because there are so few problems? |
| 14:58.04 | endra | Maybe you guys think I don't add priorities.. ? |
| 14:58.21 | EvilDin | yes that would probably work but how to do all together, check conf file read the port number and execute screen |
| 14:58.50 | Azar | Throat: at some time the broken dependencies will start showing: applications will not respond, or simply dissapear... |
| 14:59.19 | endra | So what is it that I am doing wrong exactly? Having packages from more than 1 source? |
| 14:59.32 | endra | If so, I can remove stable and go with unstable/testin |
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| 14:59.42 | endra | But you see, I need packages that aren't stable yet.. which is why I have this |
| 14:59.43 | randomity | EvilDin: for i in /home/program/*; do cd $i; screen -d -m -S $(sed -n 's/^Port=\([0-9]*\)$/\1/p' program.conf) ./program; done |
| 14:59.51 | Throat | Azar, perhaps, sometimes - but broken dependencies are not the end of the world - and I dont think applications will simply "disappear" |
| 14:59.55 | enouf | !need |
| 14:59.55 | dpkg | You don't NEED an application. You definitely don't NEED a game or site. You do not NEED a shell. You do not NEED to get a ban lifted. You NEED food. So go and buy your food, and if you feel that you absolutely NEED a program, we suggest that you go and buy that too while you're out. You do need beer, though. |
| 15:00.01 | randomity | EvilDin: or something not unlike that. ;-) |
| 15:00.22 | EvilDin | i will check if it works:D |
| 15:00.37 | Dewi | enouf: what a strange factoid |
| 15:00.43 | Throat | Azar: this dependency system really really works well - that's why I stayed with Debian after switching .... dunno, perhaps 10 years ago, perhaps 7 or 8 |
| 15:00.48 | Azar | endra: then ok, experiment on your own, but when your system gets broken, don't come crying here: save yourself and our time and reinstall |
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| 15:01.01 | c0nf | how can i change time? (i'm using xfce4) second mouse button on time doesn't rly help, i can only change 24h to 12h etc |
| 15:01.04 | endra | Azar: reinstall? come on I just installed this for the third time in 3 days :-/ |
| 15:01.31 | Azar | endra: well, I installed mine 57 times and I liked it too |
| 15:01.47 | Dewi | enouf: I can't figure out if it's trying to tell me that linux isn't ready for real-world use, or that I should switch to a software product I can buy if I want serious capabilities, or that I should buy support |
| 15:01.52 | tarzeau | !reinstall |
| 15:01.52 | dpkg | it has been said that reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install |
| 15:01.56 | Azar | ..because I wasn't listening to advices here and thought I know better |
| 15:02.03 | stew | huh? why would he reinstall? |
| 15:02.10 | stew | endra: you don't have to reinstall |
| 15:02.10 | tarzeau | i've hardly ever had to reinstall a debian |
| 15:02.13 | endra | Azar: glad you kept count, but I don't have time for this. Can't I just tell it to grab them all from one source? |
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| 15:02.40 | stew | endra: though you should change your sources.list so that you are no longer using sarge or sid/unstable |
| 15:02.44 | EvilDin | randomity: thank you very much it works perfect :) |
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| 15:02.55 | Azar | endra: when you are using Debian Etch 4.0 you only get packages from its repos , or use backports. Don't butcher it. |
| 15:02.59 | stew | endra: and you should ditch those preferences, you only want etch aka stable (and you don't even have a testing source) |
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| 15:03.11 | Begasus | hi peeps |
| 15:03.27 | randomity | EvilDin: how strange |
| 15:03.35 | EvilDin | why |
| 15:03.36 | endra | I do have a testing source (etch) |
| 15:03.41 | endra | But.. topic says etch is now stable |
| 15:03.43 | Azar | hahahaha |
| 15:03.44 | endra | So.. I don't lol |
| 15:03.44 | stew | endra: /topic |
| 15:03.50 | endra | Yes I just noticed that. |
| 15:03.52 | randomity | EvilDin: normally my scripts tend not to ;-) |
| 15:03.58 | EvilDin | :) |
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| 15:04.06 | endra | Well, I don't understand, etch is now sarge, sarge is the new etch |
| 15:04.06 | EvilDin | this time is change :) |
| 15:04.15 | endra | So.. whats the new etch? |
| 15:04.25 | endra | I thought etch was just code name for testing lol |
| 15:04.31 | Azar | endra: if you want to run testing or unstable you can do so : nobody forces you to use a stable Debian. But if you want stable stay with stable packages |
| 15:04.34 | chops | endra: sarge was stable, etch was testing. Now etch is stable, and lenny is testing. |
| 15:04.35 | Dewi | endra: if you want to use software unavailable in etch/stable, either find a backport package built for etch, or build one yourself. Or you can RISK installing bits from testing, or allowing "make" to install stuff on your system, but it is your own risk |
| 15:05.03 | Dewi | endra: ... and sarge is gone. outdated. |
| 15:05.05 | stew | endra: /msg dpkg releases |
| 15:05.05 | randomity | endra: from the channel topic: "Lenny is the new testing!" |
| 15:05.12 | c0nf | how can i change time? (i'm using xfce4) second mouse button on time doesn't rly help, i can only change 24h to 12h etc |
| 15:05.12 | stew | sarge is not gone |
| 15:05.21 | Throat | endra: only sid stays unstable forever - all other distributions keep their name and just change their status from testing -> unstable |
| 15:05.22 | stew | c0nf: man date |
| 15:05.26 | Throat | endra: only sid stays unstable forever - all other distributions keep their name and just change their status from testing -> stable |
| 15:05.28 | Throat | oopd :) |
| 15:05.30 | chops | endra: sarge, etch, and lenny are absolute names that always refer to the same release (even when that release is still in development). stable and testing are terms that change over time to refer to different releases. |
| 15:05.35 | EvilDin | am how could i kill all program that have in name program |
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| 15:05.45 | randomity | EvilDin: killall program |
| 15:05.48 | randomity | :D |
| 15:05.50 | chops | c0nf: Install ntpdate |
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| 15:05.52 | tarzeau | EvilDin: pkill |
| 15:05.52 | endra | But I read that 'sarge' was codename for latest stable :( |
| 15:05.54 | c0nf | stew: i know i can change by date ..., but isn't there a better way? updating time using ntp server or something |
| 15:05.57 | c0nf | chops: thanks, lemme try |
| 15:05.58 | Dewi | stew: how long does stable support continue? |
| 15:06.02 | stew | c0nf: /msg dpkg ntp |
| 15:06.02 | randomity | endra: it was |
| 15:06.04 | endra | Okay, well now that this is cleared up, how can I fix this mess? |
| 15:06.05 | tarzeau | Dewi: half a year? |
| 15:06.05 | Dewi | stew: er sarge support |
| 15:06.07 | stew | Dewi: 1 year or until lenny |
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| 15:06.21 | huhlig | anyone seen dondelelcaro lately |
| 15:06.28 | endra | wait, maybe my problem is fixed in etch |
| 15:06.39 | endra | its still called etch, right? Etch = new stable? |
| 15:06.41 | Azar | huhlig: try on oftc maybe he is there if not here? |
| 15:06.50 | huhlig | ok |
| 15:06.56 | c0nf | chops: wtf :p i wrote ntpdate ntp.latnet.lv and it restarted x :| |
| 15:06.57 | Dewi | stew: if lenny ships in under a year, is it less than a year? |
| 15:07.03 | endra | Can someone just give me a good sources.list lol |
| 15:07.08 | stew | Dewi: yes |
| 15:07.09 | Azar | endra: stable is Etch, testing is Lenny, unstable is Sid(forever) |
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| 15:07.22 | chops | c0nf: That I can't really help you with... |
| 15:07.32 | endra | understood, so what do you recommend I go with? Etch? |
| 15:07.43 | chops | endra: I would recommend etch, yes |
| 15:07.49 | c0nf | chops: okay, but the best thing is that it worked (it updated time) .. but was it supposed to happen? |
| 15:07.59 | c0nf | suppose* |
| 15:08.01 | chops | c0nf: No. It was certainly not supposed to happen. |
| 15:08.02 | endra | Okay, etch it is. So I will comment out Sarge.. and leave only Etch |
| 15:08.10 | c0nf | chops: ok :< thanks :p |
| 15:08.11 | endra | (who the hell comes up with these names) |
| 15:08.12 | concept10 | question on testing: does testing receive security updates or just newer packages of apps with possible security patches from upstream/whereever? |
| 15:08.21 | stew | endra: they are all toy story characters |
| 15:08.39 | stew | endra: and the release team chooses the names |
| 15:08.45 | endra | has woody been taken? |
| 15:08.47 | Dewi | concept10: I believe usually the latter |
| 15:08.51 | randomity | endra: before sarge |
| 15:08.58 | endra | But woody is most important, he should be last |
| 15:09.09 | Dewi | concept10: but if a security problem exists, and it doesn't involve going to a new version, then you'll get that too |
| 15:09.11 | chops | endra: Hopefully there won't be a last anytime soon |
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| 15:09.19 | yos87 | Hi |
| 15:09.20 | h3sp4wn | endra: buzz was first (he is as important ?) |
| 15:09.23 | randomity | endra: what, they release woody and then the debian project dissolves? ;-) |
| 15:09.26 | Dewi | concept10: what I'm trying to say is that I don't know of a way to get security updates without functionality updates in testing |
| 15:09.38 | Dewi | concept10: (and I don't think there is one, yet) |
| 15:09.39 | endra | randomity: no silly, they move on to a new movie (shrek?) :P |
| 15:09.48 | randomity | of course |
| 15:09.49 | yos87 | I have problem, When I open any mp3 or video with totem media player, when it open it directly crashed! somebody can help me? |
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| 15:10.11 | Dewi | concept10: but if you have the testing security sources configured, you will in theory get the occasional security-only update |
| 15:10.22 | Azar | endra: http://paste.debian.net/27467 |
| 15:10.25 | endra | NEWS TODAY: Woody now stable! PrincessFiona = testing! |
| 15:10.28 | concept10 | Dewi: thanks. |
| 15:10.49 | chops | yos87: File a bug? |
| 15:10.54 | h3sp4wn | concept10: testing security just consists of fast tracking packages from unstable that is all |
| 15:10.55 | chops | yos87: Are you able to get a backtrace? |
| 15:10.58 | Dewi | concept10: I'm just not sure what might happen if you *only* updated from the security repo |
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| 15:11.17 | h3sp4wn | concept10: (could break) |
| 15:11.37 | Azar | when all character names end I should guess we will get Woody2, Sarge2..etc |
| 15:11.39 | randomity | endra: I wouldn't laugh, they'll run out of toy story characters eventually |
| 15:12.00 | Dewi | h3sp4wn: so assuming no problems develop with a particular security-fixing-package, it's exactly the same thing you'd get in testing anyway? |
| 15:12.01 | wintix | endra: toy story 2 :) |
| 15:12.03 | yos87 | chops: what file a bug? where can I find the bug file? and what is the backtrace? I can see the program for less then second and then disappear |
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| 15:12.09 | wintix | err. randomity. |
| 15:12.22 | randomity | or maybe the time between releases will get so long that they'll be able to keep it going on toy story for a few centuries :p |
| 15:12.24 | concept10 | I need to change my sources: I have deb http://secure-testing.debian.net/debian-secure-testing etch/security-update$ |
| 15:12.34 | Begasus | question ... just installed Debian 4.0 and after boot it's asking me for a username/pswd ... while none is set yet ... anyone got an idea about it? |
| 15:12.40 | Ronin | doubt very much they'll run out of toy story names any time soon |
| 15:12.50 | chops | yos87: "/msg dpkg bts" to find out about the bug tracker |
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| 15:13.04 | chops | yos87: To get a backtrace, run a debug version of the program in gdb |
| 15:13.16 | Ronin | Begasus: it should have asked you to set up 2 accounts when you installed it, root and a user account |
| 15:13.20 | Azar | Begasus: why didn't you setup one at install time? |
| 15:13.34 | chops | yos87: To get a debug version of the program, see if one's available, otherwise build one yourself if you feel comfortable with that |
| 15:13.36 | endra | I wonder if any software will ever reach that truly 'stable' stage, where it is really perfect |
| 15:13.40 | Azar | Begasus: by default you will boot in Xscreen mode as "user" |
| 15:13.47 | chops | endra: The answer is no |
| 15:13.49 | bonez39 | what might this error mean, other than the obvious??? >>> Unpacking replacement linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 ... dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.18-4-686_2.6.18.dfsg.1-12etch1_i386.deb (--unpack): failed in buffer_write(fd) (9, ret=-1): backend dpkg-deb during `./lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/kernel/fs/jfs/jfs.ko': No space left on device |
| 15:13.58 | concept10 | He was enter crazy? |
| 15:14.01 | Dewi | endra: no, but there's still a lot of room for improvement, and I'm sure we'll see it... one day :P |
| 15:14.05 | stljim | l |
| 15:14.06 | xand | Begasus: you'll need to press ctrl-alt-f1 and login to console as root, then create a user with adduser |
| 15:14.10 | stew | bonez39: your / partition is full |
| 15:14.14 | amerinese | real basic question--how do i search for a file? |
| 15:14.19 | ofer | h3sp4wn, amarok is great. thank you. |
| 15:14.21 | Begasus | seems it didn't ... had some probs with manual setting up the / root partition and from there on it just went through without asking the user account details |
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| 15:14.25 | amerinese | i want to see if i have libpython2.5.so on my system |
| 15:14.28 | Begasus | thought it was strange also |
| 15:14.29 | concept10 | amerinese: locate and find |
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| 15:14.37 | Azar | Begasus: ^^^^^^^ at xand recommendation |
| 15:14.40 | Dewi | Begasus: sounds like you skipped some steps in the install |
| 15:14.50 | Begasus | seems like Dewi ... |
| 15:14.55 | Dewi | xand: and how will he login as root without a root password? |
| 15:15.00 | endra | well, there is always int main( void ) { return 0; } ) :P |
| 15:15.05 | endra | doh, screwed that one up too |
| 15:15.25 | chops | endra: Should use exit() instead of return |
| 15:15.25 | Begasus | aha! |
| 15:15.26 | Azar | Dewi: I think he got a root pass... he just didn't create a user |
| 15:15.27 | endra | Okay its getting a bit off topic, off I go to get work done on my sources |
| 15:15.27 | jelly | Dewi: !forgotrootpassword ... if nothing else |
| 15:15.33 | Begasus | into bash ... |
| 15:15.42 | Begasus | adduser? |
| 15:15.49 | Azar | adduser Begasus |
| 15:15.57 | randomity | chops: why? |
| 15:16.04 | endra | hey, do I need preferences file at all? |
| 15:16.09 | jelly | Azar: ugh, an Uppercase username? |
| 15:16.16 | Dewi | endra: not unless you want to define preferences |
| 15:16.17 | Azar | jelly: was just an example.. |
| 15:16.28 | jelly | Azar: a Bad Example It Was |
| 15:16.31 | chops | randomity: I'm kidding |
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| 15:16.34 | bonez39 | stew, here's the df -h output >> /dev/hde1 250M 220M 17M 93% / |
| 15:16.42 | Azar | jelly: :) ok my bad |
| 15:16.45 | Begasus | k logging in ... thnx guys for the tip!! |
| 15:16.48 | bonez39 | stew, I guess if I clear out some things on / then it would run? |
| 15:16.51 | amerinese | concept10: thanks--followup--what's the security problem with looking for a file? why is it called secure locate? |
| 15:16.54 | Azar | Begasus: never use uppercase in bash |
| 15:17.00 | Begasus | yep Azar ;) |
| 15:17.05 | stew | bonez39: perhaps its some other partition? |
| 15:17.12 | Begasus | didn't use one ;) |
| 15:17.13 | stew | bonez39: /var? /tmp? |
| 15:17.18 | randomity | amerinese: it won't let a user search for files he can't see anyway |
| 15:17.19 | endra | So simple adding: deb http://debian.yorku.ca/debian etch main contrib non-free - will that do it for sources? as well as security.debian.org etc/updates main contrib non-free |
| 15:18.00 | jelly | stew: no, 17M free is pretty much not enough for a Debian kernel |
| 15:18.00 | stew | endra: yes, but "etch/updates" not "etc/updates" |
| 15:18.00 | amerinese | randomity: i see |
| 15:18.00 | bonez39 | stew, unfortunately I have my 80 gb drive...carved up into about 6 partitions..I should have just moved my system over to one large partition.. |
| 15:18.00 | endra | yes :P thank you guys |
| 15:18.00 | concept10 | amerinese: use su or sudo and updatedb |
| 15:18.09 | PerfDave | endra: If you want sources, you want deb-src lines, not deb ones. |
| 15:18.12 | Azar | endra: the good habit is to have one to two sources + security. |
| 15:18.12 | endra | I gotta update my server too, they REALLY need to alias like sid for stable and testing |
| 15:18.17 | concept10 | amerinese: i mean with updatedb as in su -c updatedb |
| 15:18.19 | Begasus | hmm ... now I need to set a pswd for root .. |
| 15:18.19 | bonez39 | stew, I guess the question now is how to move /usr and /home and even / to the large partition and get rid of the others.. |
| 15:18.30 | jelly | bonez39: you'll have to grow that / partition, aye |
| 15:18.42 | stew | endra: testing is the current alias for lenny, stable is the current alias for etch |
| 15:18.44 | Dewi | endra: eh? stable is etch and testing is lenny, they have aliases... as you know already |
| 15:18.47 | Azar | endra: and since you like "borrowing" packages, better start using "aptitude install" from now on, not "apt-get" |
| 15:18.59 | endra | oh, so I can just add 'stable' instead of 'etch' ? |
| 15:19.03 | Azar | endra: aptitude will be your guardian |
| 15:19.14 | stew | endra: you can, but it is recommended to use 'etch' not 'stable' |
| 15:19.18 | bonez39 | jelly, aye.....suggestions, on a running system, other than back it all up to a large back up drive and reformat? anything I can use that will dynamically rearrange my partitions and data? |
| 15:19.21 | endra | I thought apt-get was alias for aptitude |
| 15:19.22 | Dewi | endra: sure, but you'll automatically transition to lenny when it gets released |
| 15:19.22 | concept10 | amerinese: the difference is that locate uses some cache/stash of files on your system. find looks for the file |
| 15:19.25 | endra | geez I need to read up :-/ |
| 15:19.33 | endra | Dewi: is that a bad thing? |
| 15:19.34 | Azar | endra: no , aptitude is something extra |
| 15:19.36 | Dewi | endra: no, apt-get is a slightly less smart frontend |
| 15:19.54 | jelly | bonez39: backup and repartition is probably faster than messing with data on a single disk |
| 15:20.12 | Dewi | endra: it's a bad thing when people come in here wondering why their system suddenly started upgrading huge numbers of packages, but apart from that, no :) |
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| 15:20.37 | Azar | Dewi: no, he will get packages from lenny into his etch without even knowing it, would be like a broken dist-upgrade |
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| 15:20.40 | endra | well, I'll stick with stable! |
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| 15:20.55 | endra | deb http://debian.yorku.ca/debian stable main contrib non-free; deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free |
| 15:20.57 | Jesus | hello children. |
| 15:20.58 | ^punisher | hey |
| 15:21.01 | endra | Do I got it right? |
| 15:21.01 | Dewi | Azar: I don't really get the difference between the different types of upgrade |
| 15:21.07 | hermogenes | bonez39: that is something, but is _very_ risky. you will have to backup your data anyway |
| 15:21.08 | Jesus | hello endra. |
| 15:21.12 | stew | endra: that is fine, but i'd recommend you use etch intead of stable |
| 15:21.13 | Dewi | Azar: shouldn't the package manager just handle things in a non-broken way in general? |
| 15:21.15 | bonez39 | jelly, I think I'll get a bigger drive...install in this system..move everything to it...and then reformat this current drive..once the new drive is bootable and running.. |
| 15:21.15 | hermogenes | there* |
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| 15:21.25 | endra | stew: isn't etch stable? |
| 15:21.26 | Azar | endra: you got it right only need to use "etch" instead of "stable" :) |
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| 15:21.33 | stew | endra: it is currently, it won't be forever |
| 15:21.39 | wintix | endra: and maybe add a deb-src line, too |
| 15:21.41 | endra | so, why use etch :P |
| 15:21.44 | ^punisher | not sure |
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| 15:21.55 | endra | wintix: deb-src does what? download sources too? |
| 15:22.03 | Dewi | endra: because automatic whole-system upgrades are not what most people like to happen to them |
| 15:22.06 | Azar | endra: because your system will know about etch forever while "stable" is a relative term |
| 15:22.08 | stew | endra: becuase when stable changes you need to follow a specific, deliberate procedure to upgrade to the next stable |
| 15:22.11 | Miteorite | is anyone running mozilla-firefox 2.0.0.3-2 out of unstable? it won't startup for me. just curious before i file a bug. |
| 15:22.16 | wintix | endra: it adds the source repository. |
| 15:22.24 | Dewi | Miteorite: are you running unstable? |
| 15:22.25 | concept10 | stupid irssi.. why doesnt it give me notification when I load perl or a script |
| 15:22.29 | amerinese | concept10: roger that |
| 15:22.30 | endra | etch it is |
| 15:22.33 | wintix | endra: well. actually it adds the sources from the repository you specify. |
| 15:22.34 | Dewi | Miteorite: as in, your system? |
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| 15:22.40 | Miteorite | Dewi: mostly not |
| 15:22.44 | endra | wintix: what good will that do? |
| 15:22.46 | Ronin | concept10: it does, isnt it in the status window? |
| 15:22.50 | Miteorite | Dewi: actually i dont know anymore |
| 15:23.07 | wintix | endra: you can get sources of the packages. e.g. kernel source, module sources, etc. |
| 15:23.08 | Dewi | Miteorite: might not be the best situation to file a bug :) |
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| 15:23.18 | cplx | Im runnng a squid proxy why am i getting this error? |
| 15:23.20 | cplx | Access Denied: Access control configuration prevents your request |
| 15:23.21 | cplx | from being allowed at this time. Please contact your service provider |
| 15:23.21 | cplx | if you feel this is incorrect. |
| 15:23.22 | endra | wintix: meh, I don't mess with them anyways :-) |
| 15:23.24 | sparrw | am i the only person who thinks symlinking grep to zgrep is a good idea? i dont ever want grep to tell me "that gz file is a binary", but having to re-grep when i realize i caught gz'd logs in my filespec is annoying |
| 15:23.35 | humbolto | does sarge support XEN? |
| 15:23.36 | stew | wintix: kernel sources and module sources are binary packages, no reason to use the source pacakges |
| 15:23.39 | Miteorite | Dewi: fair enough.. any advice then? |
| 15:23.40 | cplx | what needs to be changed in my squid.conf? |
| 15:23.45 | Dewi | Miteorite: mixed installs are not a recipe for predictable behaviour; unstable packages are meant to run with other unstable packages |
| 15:23.48 | h3sp4wn | humbolto: xen2 (xen3 is in backports) |
| 15:24.05 | Dewi | Miteorite: I would suggest running the iceweasel in whatever distro you're running |
| 15:24.08 | endra | Okay, after switching to ONLY etch, no packages were removed, and none were installed.. surely I did something wrong? |
| 15:24.09 | stew | humbolto: yes, but you should use etch (the current stable) intead of sarge (currently 'oldstable') |
| 15:24.10 | concept10 | Ronin: no, it doesnt do that |
| 15:24.17 | Miteorite | Dewi: where's the excitement in that :P |
| 15:24.21 | wintix | stew: hmk. wasn't sure about that since i always have deb-src added, too. i just thought he might need deb-src in the future. |
| 15:24.30 | c0nf | !unstable |
| 15:24.30 | dpkg | methinks unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid. see sid faq. |
| 15:24.32 | humbolto | I need to run it as a host. Can I run a Sarge host on Etch Xen or lets say the latest Xen? |
| 15:24.40 | bonez39 | is /proc... virtual...i.e., is that directory set up and populated only when the system boots up, does /proc go away once a system is rebooted? |
| 15:24.41 | concept10 | Ronin: I see errors though. |
| 15:24.42 | Ronin | concept10: Irssi: Unloaded script proxycheck seems to for me |
| 15:24.52 | Dewi | Miteorite: debian users get enough excitement already |
| 15:25.01 | humbolto | I want to migrate an old installation to be a virtual machine on some other host. |
| 15:25.13 | cplx | anyone ? |
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| 15:25.15 | concept10 | this script craps my session up. |
| 15:25.25 | Dewi | Miteorite: I wish I had some bot factoid that said "we don't need anymore excitement" but you'll just have to take my word for it |
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| 15:25.33 | Dewi | :) |
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| 15:25.38 | stew | bonez39: yes, /proc is not real files, its a pseudo-file based view of the kernel |
| 15:25.47 | endra | How can I tell aptitude to totally upgrade my system (remove old stuff, useless dependencies, clean shit out, install from new source, etc) |
| 15:26.12 | concept10_ | irssi be gone! hello xchat |
| 15:26.14 | PerfDave | humbolto: You should be able to run a Sarge guest on an Etch Xen host, yes. |
| 15:26.19 | bonez39 | stew, my /proc at the moment is about 295M in size..does that sound normal? |
| 15:26.25 | Ronin | concept10_: or you could just install what your system is missing |
| 15:26.30 | wols_ | bonez39: yes |
| 15:26.38 | wols_ | bonez39: if you have 256mb ram THAT IS |
| 15:26.43 | wols_ | sory for caps |
| 15:26.45 | Azar | randomity: did you fixed your sound? |
| 15:26.46 | h3sp4wn | humbolto: use a static /dev (and the xen kernel from etch) |
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| 15:27.32 | Azar | endra: aptitude update aptitude upgrade |
| 15:27.39 | stew | bonez39: the size is meaningles they aren't real files |
| 15:27.59 | concept10 | Ronin, yeah, Ive been attempting to get this notify.pl script to run. Its purpose is to have GTK pop up bubbles when someone /msg's you |
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| 15:29.25 | SoulChild | Help! I have this strange Problem, that a modul is loaded at boottime, although it's blacklisted and not compiled into kernel... any ideas? Updateing initramfs didn't help :( |
| 15:29.38 | endra | One last question for the hour, how do I get a list of installed packages that I have ran aptitude install on? So not a list of dependencies |
| 15:29.42 | Thms | celeron M is i686 ? |
| 15:29.53 | wintix | Thms: yes. |
| 15:30.06 | Thms | thanks |
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| 15:30.38 | Azar | endra: read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README << good info there |
| 15:30.45 | endra | thank you |
| 15:31.54 | Dewi | endra: note that that information is only recorded by aptitude; if you were using apt-get before then the information does not exist |
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| 15:32.22 | humbolto | h3sp4wn: so I'd leave everything like it is, but use the xen kernel from etch in my sarge guest os? |
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| 15:32.49 | humbolto | h3sp4wn: I don't need the xen kernel for the host OS, do I? |
| 15:32.53 | hermogenes | SoulChild: Which module? Try to be more specific. |
| 15:32.57 | c0nf | how do i add unstable repos to sources.list? when adding 'unstable' in the end of http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ it shows, that unstable is not found or something.. |
| 15:33.09 | PerfDave | c0nf: IYHTAYS ;) |
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| 15:33.16 | c0nf | what? |
| 15:33.22 | PerfDave | c0nf: If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 15:33.23 | neocon | hello, I am installing debian and well during installation it says install the grub boot loader on a hard disk, it has detected my hard disk with windows vista and it asks me if I want to install grub boot loader on its MBR ? is it safe to do that ? |
| 15:33.28 | SoulChild | hermogenes: i8xx_tco it#s a watchdog, but it ends up in an errormessage, so i think, i don#t have/need this |
| 15:33.30 | neocon | or vista won't work after that |
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| 15:33.36 | h3sp4wn | humbolto: You don't have to but finding a sarge kernel with xen 3 is not possible |
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| 15:33.47 | Dewi | endra: for the apt-get installed stuff, I can't remember if you'll get everything including dependancies, or nothing at all. But you certainly won't get a differentiation between deps and selections, because aptitude is the only thing recording that |
| 15:33.50 | h3sp4wn | endra: aptitude search \!\~M~i |
| 15:33.54 | c0nf | PerfDave: haha, funny.. not! i need to get 1 app, which seems to be stable, but isn't available from stable repos :O |
| 15:34.05 | PerfDave | c0nf: /msg dpkg backport |
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| 15:34.28 | hermogenes | SoulChild: # aptitude install modconf |
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| 15:35.41 | SoulChild | hermogenes: i already have it |
| 15:35.48 | SoulChild | hermogenes: and now ? |
| 15:35.50 | humbolto | h3sp4wn: the xen kernels are for the guests not the hosts, right? |
| 15:36.01 | humbolto | h3sp4wn: or do I need them on both? |
| 15:36.04 | h3sp4wn | humbolto: the host and guest needs a xen kernel |
| 15:36.06 | SoulChild | hermogenes: start and watch for the module, and the ??? |
| 15:36.08 | Miteorite | Dewi: had to upgrade to xorg 7.1. that fixored it :) |
| 15:36.15 | SoulChild | hermogenes: the=then |
| 15:36.23 | h3sp4wn | humbolto: (in the xen doc's there are different kernels for host and guest but debians work for either) |
| 15:36.38 | hermogenes | SoulChild: yes |
| 15:36.39 | Dewi | man, can we get some kind of factoid or otherwise documentation for the order of preferences for "installing things not in my distro"? That is: precompiled backports, followed by self-built packages, followed by (RISKY) other-distro packages, followed by (RISKY) non-package-managed compile/installs? |
| 15:36.40 | humbolto | h3sp4wn: which virtualization technoloqy is more reliable: KVM or Xen? |
| 15:36.46 | PerfDave | The host and guest both need a Xen kernel, but you don't need to install any Xen stuff in the guest, so if you're running aSargeguestyou don't need to worry about it. |
| 15:36.46 | Dewi | because I'm getting tired of typing it |
| 15:36.53 | hermogenes | SoulChild: then remove it |
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| 15:36.57 | h3sp4wn | humbolto: xen is much more mature |
| 15:36.58 | SoulChild | hermogenes: but what to do there,... i only have the option to add to kernel |
| 15:37.08 | h3sp4wn | humbolto: (at least paravirtualised xen) |
| 15:37.10 | yung_ | I'm using a custom linux based on Debian 4.0 and it has alsa 1.0.12rc1.. Is it same on normal Debian 4.0? |
| 15:37.18 | Dewi | most users seem to just reach for other distros right away without considering that there are other ways |
| 15:37.19 | SoulChild | hermogenes: it's not in the kernel, modconf only asks me to add |
| 15:37.24 | Dewi | or the risks involved |
| 15:37.35 | torrr | is there a program that converts text files encodings? |
| 15:37.35 | PerfDave | KVM isn't a virtualisation technology, it's a hardware thing to allow you to share one keyboard and monitor between multiple machines. |
| 15:37.41 | Dewi | Miteorite: oh, cool :) |
| 15:37.44 | stew | yung_: debian 4.0 ships with 1.0.12rc1 compiled into the kenrel and 1.0.13 as an add-on |
| 15:37.46 | PerfDave | yung_: http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 15:37.50 | hermogenes | SoulChild: is the module there? |
| 15:37.50 | Miteorite | Dewi: yeah, who knew. |
| 15:37.58 | SoulChild | hermogenes: yes |
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| 15:38.02 | Dewi | torrr: vim editor if you kknow how to use it. flip and recode are the tools specifically for that job |
| 15:38.12 | hermogenes | SoulChild: just hit enter at his name |
| 15:38.18 | Dewi | torrr: do you mean "line endings" or like "unicode and stuff" |
| 15:38.20 | SoulChild | hermogenes: i did,... |
| 15:38.35 | Dewi | torrr: because flip only does line endings, recode does the full unicode thing, iirc |
| 15:38.39 | SoulChild | hermogenes: install the module into the kernel ? yes or no |
| 15:38.41 | grendal_prime | the people in ##php are of no help right now so im asking this here. |
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| 15:39.03 | grendal_prime | ok this is weird..im trying to run a php page with the php_cli for whatever reason it gives me an error "Call to undefined function: pg_pconnect()" Now..the page works fine if i browse to it..so i know pg_pconnect is working. |
| 15:39.03 | yung_ | stew: I did m-a a-i alsa but it doesn't upgrade alsa version.. |
| 15:39.03 | hermogenes | SoulChild: no, of course |
| 15:39.03 | Azar | Dewi: in windows there is another way of screwing up: try uninstall an app and it will tell you "this program is used by another application.. are you sure you want to remove it?" :) |
| 15:39.03 | huhlig | arrgh |
| 15:39.07 | Dewi | grendal_prime: that's not considered a good reason. |
| 15:39.14 | huhlig | anyone know where I can old delphi runtime files |
| 15:39.18 | huhlig | this is getting anoying |
| 15:39.19 | stew | yung_: what does "apt-cache policy alsa-source" say for "Installed:" ? |
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| 15:39.22 | SoulChild | hermogenes: u mean that's it ? |
| 15:39.28 | Dewi | grendal_prime: and they are right, that's way too specific for the OS-integration type support questions we normally deal with |
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| 15:39.35 | Dewi | grendal_prime: and also, PHP sucks |
| 15:39.35 | Noori | greetings |
| 15:39.37 | SoulChild | hermogenes: i ll reboot and see,.... thank's for ya help |
| 15:39.49 | hermogenes | SoulChild: wait |
| 15:39.58 | torrr | Dewi, I need to convert from local non latin to the locale which is UTF8 |
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| 15:40.21 | Idle | this debian netinst disk isn't detecting my CDrom... so, I am trying to install from the Hard drive instead of the cd, so I put it on a vfat filesystem... it starts reading the package tree from the disk, but then fails stating it cant read the Release file... any ideas? |
| 15:40.30 | torrr | Dewi, it is a csv file |
| 15:40.31 | hermogenes | SoulChild: does the module name have a "+" or a "-" before it? |
| 15:40.35 | grendal_prime | Dewi: ? and you would like to suggest something else? |
| 15:40.44 | torrr | Dewi, with some not ok strings |
| 15:40.52 | Dewi | Azar: hmmm. In windows most apps are pretty independant, and where they are not, there just is no dependancy system to fuck up. Other than with the Critical Update things, then you get exactly what you describe - ALL the damn time |
| 15:40.55 | _vol | hey |
| 15:41.11 | yung_ | stew: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19805/ |
| 15:41.19 | Dewi | torrr: okay, recode is what I'd try. And just my text editor, vim |
| 15:41.26 | SoulChild | hermogenes: nothing |
| 15:41.29 | Azar | Dewi: I guess there should be an announcement after the installation is done: Congratulations! Debian has installed successfully: we recommend you to install only packages from your Debian (version) only. |
| 15:41.35 | SoulChild | hermogenes: wait let me see |
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| 15:41.44 | Dewi | torrr: not sure how well they will communicate about bad strings. Sometimes I do some conversions back and testing to see how things went |
| 15:41.57 | grendal_prime | Dewi: and ill just rebuild the 1000's of pages i have to deal with that are coded in php. |
| 15:41.58 | hermogenes | SoulChild: paste me your /etc/modules |
| 15:42.00 | chops | Dewi: Windows has a lot less code reuse than Debian, though. |
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| 15:42.01 | SoulChild | hermogenes: a - |
| 15:42.15 | torrr | Dewi- ok I'll try |
| 15:42.16 | _vol | has someone an idea why a debian server doesn't boot after I simply delted a partition |
| 15:42.24 | c0nf | how do i fix this - Failed to connect to the Trash: Failed to execute dbus-launch to autolaunch D-Bus session. |
| 15:42.32 | Dewi | grendal_prime: not really my point. The point is, it's not debian's fault PHP has crap community support, AND sucks as well |
| 15:42.34 | stew | yung_: so it should be compiling 1.0.13-5, what makes you think it isn't? |
| 15:42.37 | SoulChild | hermogenes: loop sbp2 and asus_acpi |
| 15:42.44 | hermogenes | SoulChild: paste me the output output of dmesg |
| 15:42.54 | Azar | _vol: did you deleted /var ? :) |
| 15:42.56 | chops | _vol: How important was the partition? :-) |
| 15:42.57 | mirak | hi |
| 15:42.57 | n3kl_ | Hi. I have downloaded a source package, but I would like to turn off a compile option to install it. Is there a way to tell dpkg-buildpkg or something to use or not use a configure option for this package? |
| 15:42.58 | _vol | c0nf: has the dbus daemon started up? |
| 15:42.58 | jelly | _vol: which partition? which tool did you use to delete it? |
| 15:43.05 | chops | _vol: Was it a primary partition (1-4)? |
| 15:43.08 | Dewi | grendal_prime: personally I'd rather be writing j2ee or .NET stuff, but I'm stuck in PHP same as you, sadly. |
| 15:43.09 | _vol | i was an empty partition |
| 15:43.18 | _vol | on an empty hdd |
| 15:43.20 | PerfDave | n3kl_: If it's a Debian source package you can look in debian/rules |
| 15:43.21 | yung_ | stew: I got "Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.12rc1" for the "cat /proc/asound/version" |
| 15:43.28 | c0nf | _vol: *lame question* how to check? *lame question* |
| 15:43.37 | Dewi | chops: it's also a lot harder to run Windows like a serious computer system |
| 15:43.43 | n3kl_ | PerfDave: ah, thanks |
| 15:43.54 | yung_ | stew: 1.0.12rc1 is kind of old... My audio doesn't work on my system.. |
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| 15:44.05 | jelly | Dewi: my 2003 server is rather serious. |
| 15:44.11 | PerfDave | yung_: What distribution are you running? |
| 15:44.24 | Dewi | chops: a lot of the problems people have with the package manager in debian, is that the package manager stops you from making as much as a mess as you would in 5 minutes on a windows system |
| 15:44.29 | yos873 | HI : I have problem, When I open any mp3 or video with totem media player, when it open it directly crashed! somebody can help me? |
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| 15:44.43 | SoulChild | hermogenes: http://de.pastebin.ca/477298 |
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| 15:44.50 | Dewi | chops: which is why windows systems need a total reinstall every few months, and people applying the same settings clicking through a GUI over and over and over and over |
| 15:44.59 | _vol | c0nf: what do you me with how to check? |
| 15:45.00 | chops | Dewi: Agreed. But just because Windows makes a botch of code-reuse-less package management doesn't mean it's hard. See also Mac OSX. |
| 15:45.08 | Azar | yos873: http://www.oreillynet.com/linux/blog/2007/05/sound_problems.html?CMP=OTC-0O724Z062301&ATT=Sound+problems |
| 15:45.16 | yung_ | PerfDave: It is "Educational linux" and based on Debian 4.0. I got "4.0" for the "cat /etc/debian_version " |
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| 15:45.24 | Begasus | can't get the soundcard to work here ... (SB Live 5.1) ran alsaconfig ... rebooted ... still nothing ... |
| 15:45.26 | c0nf | _vol: i meant.. how to check if d-bus daemon is started? |
| 15:45.30 | n3kl_ | PerfDave: that did the trick, thanks again |
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| 15:45.36 | c0nf | _vol: if* |
| 15:45.45 | PerfDave | yung_: Distributions which are "based on" Debian aren't supported on #debian as a rule. |
| 15:45.53 | SoulChild | hermogenes: but the error is only in boot log... |
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| 15:46.07 | Dewi | chops: whether it's hard is one question. But no matter how "hard" it is, people seem to constantly assume it should somehow be trivial and effortless when it just isn't |
| 15:46.08 | hermogenes | SoulChild: I dont see the error |
| 15:46.10 | _vol | c0nf: i dont know ... try /etc/init.d/dbus start |
| 15:46.14 | SoulChild | hermogenes: Detecting hardware...FATAL: Error inserting i8xx_tco (/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-486/kernel/drivers/char/watchdog/i8xx_tco.ko): No such device |
| 15:46.21 | yung_ | PerfDave: I see. I just want to check the version of normal Debian 4.0.. |
| 15:46.32 | Dewi | jelly: then you're working harder than you would for a comparable system in linux |
| 15:46.32 | PerfDave | yung_: Well, you've done that. |
| 15:46.39 | SoulChild | hermogenes: it's after dmesg, so it's in my boot log file |
| 15:46.40 | c0nf | _vol: no such file or directory |
| 15:46.41 | debmonkey | what happens if you run mkfs on an existing filesystem, will it just overwrite the previous fs, or will it create problems? |
| 15:46.45 | PerfDave | yung_: http://packages.debian.org/ will tell you. |
| 15:46.50 | _vol | c0nf: I only know that i can't access the server trough ssh |
| 15:46.54 | yung_ | PerfDave: ok.. |
| 15:47.01 | PerfDave | debmonkey: You don't run mkfs on a filesystem, you run it on a partition :) |
| 15:47.05 | Ragnaroek | Hi |
| 15:47.07 | modern | Hi |
| 15:47.09 | PerfDave | (or other partition-type device) |
| 15:47.10 | c0nf | _vol: what server? |
| 15:47.12 | modern | no |
| 15:47.15 | Dewi | jelly: that's my experience anyway. I've spent a lot more time in windows systems over the years, but I feel more and more capable in linux and just... never quite feel like windows is truly in my control |
| 15:47.15 | Ragnaroek | don't know |
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| 15:47.22 | debmonkey | PerfDave: i know, but i meant what happens if the partition already has a fs |
| 15:47.24 | humbolto | h3sp4wn: but if I could use KVM, I would not have to use another kernel for my sarge guest, right? |
| 15:47.33 | _vol | c0nf: I don't know it exectly at debian ... i use archlinux and there isn an daemon, /etc/rc.d/dbus ... |
| 15:47.37 | PerfDave | debmonkey: I'm pretty sure it'd just overwrite it. |
| 15:47.42 | debmonkey | ok cool |
| 15:47.52 | debmonkey | thanks Dave |
| 15:47.56 | h3sp4wn | humbolto: with kvm you would be able to use a standard kernel (worse performance though) |
| 15:47.57 | fernandotcl | anybody else having problems with remote X clients? |
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| 15:48.02 | c0nf | _vol: oh well, okay.. thanks anyways |
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| 15:48.16 | PerfDave | fernandotcl: What sort of problems? |
| 15:48.20 | h3sp4wn | yung_: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu (is it that you are running ?) |
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| 15:48.38 | Dewi | debmonkey: yeah a partition (or indeed a disk) is just a big array of bytes, creating a filesystem will replace whatever was there before |
| 15:48.54 | enouf | !grounding |
| 15:48.54 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "ig", "docs", "manuals", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 15:48.55 | fernandotcl | PerfDave, Xlib: unexpected connection setup reply from server, type 83. |
| 15:49.00 | debmonkey | for some reason I'm not able to see my partition, its not being created in /dev.. I checked with fdisk the partition exists, i wrote the table, i rebooted, still cant see it. :-/ mkfs cant find it |
| 15:49.06 | yung_ | h3sp4wn: yes |
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| 15:49.19 | Dewi | debmonkey: mkfs doesn't find partitions, it creates filesystems |
| 15:49.23 | SoulChild | How to update initrd??? |
| 15:49.32 | humbolto | h3sp4wn: would KVM be available for etch anyway? |
| 15:49.36 | stew | SoulChild: dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$version |
| 15:49.39 | PerfDave | fernandotcl: I'm not seeing any problems like that. What version of Debian are you running? |
| 15:49.41 | enouf | SoulChild: run it |
| 15:49.44 | SoulChild | stew thanks |
| 15:49.47 | Dewi | debmonkey: so you're saying fdisk can see the partition but it doesn't show up in /dev/ ? |
| 15:49.52 | h3sp4wn | humbolto: only in sid |
| 15:49.54 | humbolto | h3sp4wn: is there any config helper program for Xen in etch currently? |
| 15:49.54 | debmonkey | mkfs: Could not stat /dev/sdd1 --- No such file or directory. The device apparently does not exist; did you specify it correctly? |
| 15:49.59 | SoulChild | enouf: doesn't work althoug initrd-tools is installed |
| 15:49.59 | enouf | SoulChild: see man updtae-initramfs |
| 15:50.02 | h3sp4wn | humbolto: xen-tools |
| 15:50.06 | yung_ | h3sp4wn: cound you run "cat /proc/asound/version" for me if you use Debian 4.0? |
| 15:50.09 | debmonkey | Dewi: exactly |
| 15:50.13 | Dewi | debmonkey: what /dev/sd* nodes do you see in the /dev ? |
| 15:50.18 | stew | debmonkey: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 15:50.20 | Dewi | debmonkey: err /dev/sdd* |
| 15:50.23 | enouf | SoulChild: but yes, the d-r should do it |
| 15:50.28 | fernandotcl | PerfDave, testing (yeah, i know, not exactly "supported") |
| 15:50.29 | jelly | Dewi: sure it's not logical, and there are things you can't easily automate, but as far as I can tell, policies and WMI & scripting can pretty much make 90-95% of clicking go away |
| 15:50.30 | h3sp4wn | yung_: I use unstable sorry |
| 15:50.38 | debmonkey | Dewi: i see them all, even sdd, but no sdd1 for the partition I created on it |
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| 15:50.39 | SoulChild | enouf the what ? |
| 15:50.43 | PerfDave | fernandotcl: Have you checked the BTS before you came here? |
| 15:50.54 | enouf | d-r=dpkg-reconfigure |
| 15:50.55 | SoulChild | enouf: not initramfs ... i meant initrd |
| 15:51.03 | fernandotcl | heh, bts? |
| 15:51.04 | stew | yung_: 1.0.12rc1 |
| 15:51.10 | PerfDave | !bts |
| 15:51.10 | dpkg | hmm... bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 15:51.13 | enouf | SoulChild: initrd is initramfs unless you mean Sarge |
| 15:51.14 | yung_ | h3sp4wun: I wonder what is the output in unstable... Could you do that? |
| 15:51.16 | fernandotcl | oh |
| 15:51.22 | debmonkey | uname = 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 15:51.28 | fernandotcl | gonna take a look at it PerfDave , thank you |
| 15:51.31 | yung_ | stew: thanks.. Alsa is really old in Debian.. hmmm |
| 15:51.31 | Dewi | jelly: I'm sure they can, but I've been using the systems as long as they have existed and I still don't find myself naturally making that happen. And I suspect I won't until I actually have to run a network with a dozen users |
| 15:51.40 | enouf | you meant worng ;-P |
| 15:51.46 | debmonkey | where me partition :-/ |
| 15:52.03 | stew | yung_: the unstable kernel would have 1.0.14rc1 afaik |
| 15:52.03 | h3sp4wn | yung_: I am using the alsa-source from experimental (1.0.14rc3) |
| 15:52.05 | Dewi | jelly: whereas in linux, it just kind of works already, if I go with the flow. And anything new I need is as difficult to write as it is difficult |
| 15:52.22 | debmonkey | mebbe I should delete it and create it again? |
| 15:52.27 | yung_ | stew: thanks.. |
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| 15:52.35 | yung_ | h3sp4wun: thanks.. |
| 15:52.39 | Dewi | debmonkey: does it appear with fdisk -l /dev/sdd |
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| 15:52.42 | Dewi | debmonkey: ? |
| 15:52.46 | debmonkey | i will try |
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| 15:52.54 | enouf | just fdisk -l |
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| 15:52.54 | stew | debmonkey: do you have udev installed? if so, what version? |
| 15:53.02 | debmonkey | Dewi: aye, it does |
| 15:53.10 | Dewi | debmonkey: it's starting to sound like you have a really old kernel configuration, with no udev |
| 15:53.18 | yung_ | stew: Can I use the unstable packages in stable version to upgrade alsa? |
| 15:53.25 | stew | Dewi: he said 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 15:53.31 | debmonkey | stew: i have it, not sure what version tho |
| 15:53.32 | enouf | udevtest /dev/sdXX .. must be a usb pos |
| 15:53.44 | debmonkey | i'm sure i have udev |
| 15:53.49 | PerfDave | yung_: If your Debian-based distro supports it, perhaps, but this wouldn't be a good place to ask. |
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| 15:53.57 | debmonkey | but.. |
| 15:54.10 | debmonkey | all my other partitions I created just appeared in /dev |
| 15:54.13 | gm | hi hg_j |
| 15:54.16 | debmonkey | why not sdd1 |
| 15:54.21 | Dewi | debmonkey: and so they should. I wonder what's different about this one |
| 15:54.27 | debmonkey | yeah its very odd |
| 15:54.30 | stew | yung_: yes, since you have the alsa source from unstable installed already, "m-a a-i alsa" would compile and intall the modules |
| 15:54.35 | debmonkey | maybe the drive is up the duff? |
| 15:54.38 | yung_ | PerfDave: I'm using DebianEdu.. |
| 15:54.39 | Dewi | debmonkey: does it have the usual Type ? |
| 15:54.51 | debmonkey | i will check |
| 15:54.54 | enouf | ID 0x83 |
| 15:54.55 | Dewi | debmonkey: as in "83 Linux" |
| 15:54.58 | PerfDave | yung_: Exaactly. |
| 15:55.03 | debmonkey | /dev/sdd1 1 2213 17775891 83 Linux |
| 15:55.29 | enouf | mkfs.ext3 |
| 15:55.31 | Dewi | debmonkey: and you're sure no /dev/sdd1 node exists? |
| 15:55.37 | Dewi | debmonkey: on your root filesys |
| 15:55.48 | enouf | you likely don't have your xfs/jfs modules |
| 15:55.58 | debmonkey | ls /dev/sdd1 ls: /dev/sdd1: No such file or directory |
| 15:56.14 | enouf | cat /proc/filesystems |
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| 15:56.21 | Dewi | debmonkey: I assume it's a primary partition |
| 15:56.23 | tigmmi | hello |
| 15:56.24 | debmonkey | yes |
| 15:56.25 | humbolto | Concerning file systems: is ext3 really suitable for a 500GB disk? Imagine when it will have to be checked after the 20th mount? |
| 15:56.26 | Dewi | debmonkey: with number "1" |
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| 15:56.46 | PerfDave | humbolto: It's fine for my 250Gb disk. |
| 15:56.49 | Dewi | enouf: it's a newly created partition, all this filesystem stuff isn't really relevant |
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| 15:57.13 | humbolto | PerfDave: but it takes forever to check the drive, doesn't it? |
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| 15:57.34 | humbolto | Well my machine is a webserver. I don't want downtime just to check the damn drive. |
| 15:57.40 | tigmmi | I'm new to debian and cannot found any GUI user/group administration tools, no like ubuntu. Can any body tell me where to find such tools for debian 4.0 |
| 15:57.45 | PerfDave | humbolto: I've not noticed any problems. What do you suggest as an alternative? |
| 15:57.45 | enouf | Dewi: really? .. let me see you make a reiserfs partition without the modules/tools |
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| 15:57.53 | humbolto | So what FS would I use for a production web server? |
| 15:58.01 | Dewi | enouf: he doesn't even have the *partition* to make it on |
| 15:58.02 | humbolto | PerfDave: XFS? |
| 15:58.05 | Dewi | enouf: so it really doesn't matter |
| 15:58.05 | PerfDave | humbolto: ext3 |
| 15:58.08 | debmonkey | fdisk reports: 14697 unallocated sectors |
| 15:58.12 | debmonkey | for sdd1 |
| 15:58.19 | Begasus | .. no sound ... no rights to play/open an audio cd ... :/ |
| 15:58.21 | wintix | PerfDave: /msg dpkg xfs |
| 15:58.26 | humbolto | PerfDave: I have no idea. I just fear the downtime due to fscks. |
| 15:58.27 | enouf | Dewi: cause it's lvm |
| 15:58.32 | PerfDave | wintix: I know what xfs is, thanks. |
| 15:58.41 | Trewas | humbolto: you can disable the check with tune2fs, I don't know how probable bad side-effects are... |
| 15:58.43 | wintix | PerfDave: sorry, messed up the names. |
| 15:58.45 | h3sp4wn | humbolto: Is it on a UPS ? |
| 15:58.45 | enouf | Dewi: or in vmware .. or |
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| 15:58.49 | wintix | humbolto: /msg dpkg xfs |
| 15:58.49 | Dewi | enouf: LVM won't stop a partition from showing up |
| 15:58.56 | debmonkey | whats the difference between using mkfs.ext3 and mkfs -t ext3 ? |
| 15:59.08 | Dewi | debmonkey: nothing |
| 15:59.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | lo guys |
| 15:59.08 | debmonkey | ok |
| 15:59.08 | enouf | it won't you you don't add it |
| 15:59.13 | PerfDave | humbolto: Any fsck time will be irrelevant compared to the system reboot time. I learned my lesson about runningproduction servers on xfs. |
| 15:59.20 | Dewi | enouf: you will still see the block device it lives on |
| 15:59.21 | humbolto | h3sp4wn: yes it is on UPS. But it is also on USB and in bad hands. |
| 15:59.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | debmonkey: one calls the other |
| 15:59.23 | enouf | Dewi: it's a symlink |
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| 15:59.34 | humbolto | PerfDave: tell me about it. |
| 15:59.39 | wintix | PerfDave: what problems did you have? |
| 15:59.46 | Dewi | enouf: we're not looking for an LVM volume, we're looking for something that exists in fdisk |
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| 15:59.58 | tigmmi | What is the best GUI administration tools for debian 4.0 if available? I've installed only xfce with some services. |
| 16:00.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | band aid? |
| 16:00.05 | erore | Does someone have Kerio mailserver running on debian? |
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| 16:00.12 | debmonkey | (plaster) |
| 16:00.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | aha |
| 16:00.20 | debmonkey | :D |
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| 16:00.24 | PerfDave | humbolto: I find that xfs filesystems are less likely to restore cleanly in the event of corruption or drive failure, though I may not have had a statistically significant number of experiences:) |
| 16:00.39 | Dewi | debmonkey: sigh. Well, it seems to me that if udev is working correctly it should be mapping partitions to device names in exactly the same way fdisk does |
| 16:00.52 | enouf | bah i meant debmonkey , it's a hardlink |
| 16:00.57 | debmonkey | Dewi: yeah :-/ I'm baffled |
| 16:01.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | debmonkey: it's CutMeOwnThroat like int 'Terry Pratchett' (scifi/fantasy author - style a bit like in douglas adams hitchhikers guide ) |
| 16:01.22 | enouf | Dewi: i see it happen all the time .. it's nothing new |
| 16:01.23 | torrr | Dewi, Thanks |
| 16:01.30 | torrr | Dewi, It worked |
| 16:01.30 | enouf | Dewi: except not for me.. |
| 16:01.31 | Azar | tigmmi: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages << browse and pick for "stable" repos |
| 16:01.32 | Dewi | enouf: what causes it? |
| 16:01.34 | h3sp4wn | humbolto: jfs is working brilliantly for my desktop (and it has served me well on AIX) - I think ext3 is still the safer bet though on linux |
| 16:01.57 | enouf | Dewi: not sure.. it'as always something different, and fugly |
| 16:02.00 | humbolto | h3sp4wn: I see. |
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| 16:02.23 | Dewi | debmonkey: unfortunately I rely on udev for everything... I wouldn't know the first thing about coping without it or fixing it |
| 16:02.38 | Dewi | debmonkey: but I suppose a starting point would be rebooting and reading the kernel log from when your system probed sdd |
| 16:02.58 | Dewi | debmonkey: especially in comparision to what your kernel log said when it probed the other disks, and made /dev nodes for the paritions for THEM |
| 16:03.08 | jason_ | I installed stable.. Can I upgrade my kernel to unstable version? |
| 16:03.19 | Dewi | debmonkey: as for me, I should get up in 5 hours so... goodnight |
| 16:03.28 | debmonkey | Dewi: I removed the partition and re-added it, and now its created in /dev and showing up :-| |
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| 16:03.33 | debmonkey | weird eh |
| 16:03.44 | debmonkey | udev playing up mebbe |
| 16:03.45 | Dewi | debmonkey: hmm |
| 16:03.54 | Dewi | debmonkey: did you create a new paritition table this time? |
| 16:03.58 | enouf | debmonkey: which tool for adding removing adding? |
| 16:04.02 | Dewi | debmonkey: 'o' in fdisk... |
| 16:04.03 | tigmmi | Azar, I've already installed ecth but the OTHER Admin needs GUI Administration tools, and I've failed to found something easy for him |
| 16:04.07 | debmonkey | i used fdisk |
| 16:04.16 | tigmmi | Azar debina etch |
| 16:04.20 | Dewi | debmonkey: maybe the partition table was somehow broken |
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| 16:04.30 | Dewi | debmonkey: and you've rewritten it into goodness again :P |
| 16:04.32 | debmonkey | could be |
| 16:04.36 | debmonkey | :D |
| 16:04.45 | h3sp4wn | humbolto: I have done some tests with it though on linux (and it seems to work as well as ext3 when it comes to the wack the power button test) |
| 16:04.52 | PerfDave | !debina |
| 16:04.52 | dpkg | debina is probably debian when you're typing too fast, or see "debain" |
| 16:04.54 | debmonkey | Dewi: thanks for help |
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| 16:05.03 | Azar | tigmmi: from that link I gave you, Debian Etch 4.0 is the stable. Usually packages with g (for gnome) or k (for kde) are GUI ones. |
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| 16:05.14 | Dewi | debmonkey: don't thank me, thank the random gods of the filesystem |
| 16:05.22 | Octave_Octet | Hi. My printer fails to print in a very weird way. It used to work and now every CUPS job is being processed indefinitely. If I print through cat, it prints 1 line, and then the printer stops with an error |
| 16:05.28 | debmonkey | hehe |
| 16:05.29 | Azar | tigmmi: give some example of administrative packages you need |
| 16:05.32 | Octave_Octet | ANy idea where to check ? |
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| 16:05.34 | JasonF | Hi -- is the gmp library built into php on debian? I'm looking for the php gmp module and can't seem to find anything. |
| 16:05.51 | Dewi | JasonF: never heard of it. Is there a package? |
| 16:05.56 | tigmmi | Azar user/group admin and maybe network admin |
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| 16:06.17 | JasonF | Dewi: not on debian, but there is one in the php5 backport repo we were using on people.debian.org, and there is one in ubuntu |
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| 16:06.28 | tigmmi | Azar, I'm using debian etch with only xcfe installed with some services. |
| 16:06.36 | humbolto | on a Xeon CPU, should I use the amd64 version of etch or the i386 still? and can I run a i386 guest on a amd64 host? |
| 16:06.37 | Azar | tigmmi: take a look http://packages.debian.org/stable/ |
| 16:06.44 | Dewi | JasonF: is that backports.org backports? |
| 16:06.51 | h3sp4wn | humbolto: depends which xeon |
| 16:07.02 | JasonF | Dewi: no, it was on people.debian.org -- only had php5 packages as a backport |
| 16:07.03 | enouf | Octave_Octet: can you see anything in http://localhost:631 |
| 16:07.15 | PerfDave | h3sp4wn: You can't mix 32- and 64-bit Xen |
| 16:07.16 | JasonF | Dewi: but I can't see anything php+gmp on packages.debian or on an aptitude search |
| 16:07.21 | enouf | Octave_Octet: is it parallel or usb? |
| 16:07.23 | h3sp4wn | PerfDave: I know |
| 16:07.27 | PerfDave | humbolto: You can't mix 32- and 64-bit Xen |
| 16:07.29 | humbolto | h3sp4wn: it is a 64bit cpu, when I remember right |
| 16:07.30 | Dewi | JasonF: neither can I |
| 16:07.37 | PerfDave | humbolto: You could run a 64-bit kernel with a 32-bit userland though |
| 16:07.42 | enouf | Octave_Octet: using kde or gnome? |
| 16:07.48 | Octave_Octet | enouf> Parallel. Everything in http://localhost:631 pretends to work fine. Using kde |
| 16:08.04 | enouf | Octave_Octet: go into K Control, Center |
| 16:08.06 | c0nf | hey, i got freshly installed debian etch, with xfce4 ... when i'm trying to access trash from tray, it shows Failed to connect to the Trash: Failed to execute dbus-launch to autolaunch D-Bus session. ... any idea how to fix this? |
| 16:08.16 | PerfDave | humbolto: If you have a 64-bit capable CPU, you might want to consider using a 64-bit distro, but it depends what you want to run on the system. |
| 16:08.16 | Octave_Octet | I am going to downgrade hplip (hp deskjet 5550), did work before last uphrade |
| 16:08.19 | Octave_Octet | enouf> Ok |
| 16:08.26 | enouf | Octave_Octet: under Printing area .. also check under networking stuffs |
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| 16:08.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | PerfDave: when does using 64-bit code (kernel and/or userland) show improvements (on a machine with, say, 2GB RAM) |
| 16:08.46 | humbolto | PerfDave: that would have been my next question. can I make my old i386 installation a 64bit guest just by replacing the kernel? hat about libc6...? |
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| 16:09.20 | humbolto | PerfDave: Xen and my old guest (a LAMP env). |
| 16:09.24 | PerfDave | CutMeOwnThroat: Number-crunching heavy stuff like video encoding. |
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| 16:09.27 | h3sp4wn | CutMeOwnThroat: openssl |
| 16:09.29 | Dewi | JasonF: if you can't find a backport for debian with that extension, you might have to build and manage the extension yourself. All the entirety of PHP5. Personally I build a monolithic PHP myself from source. Obviously it's a burden, but I have my own reasons |
| 16:09.43 | PerfDave | humbolto: You shouldn't even need to replace the kernel - the Xen host will boot the guest using its own kernel. |
| 16:09.45 | Dewi | JasonF: argh, "Or" not "All" |
| 16:09.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok, thx |
| 16:09.56 | Octave_Octet | Enouf: I'm in. Already gone there, already tried to print a test page. It pretended it sent the stuff to the printer without error |
| 16:10.01 | enouf | humbolto: not that i think .. for 64bit you need the 64 amd, or whatever |
| 16:10.09 | Thms | what does mrproper ? |
| 16:10.12 | Dewi | anyway night all |
| 16:10.17 | enouf | humbolto: oh xen? .. nm |
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| 16:10.36 | Azar | tigmmi: "some" tools http://henning.cco-ev.de/gallery/debian?page=1 |
| 16:10.37 | enouf | Octave_Octet: check all the dropdown menu settings in there |
| 16:11.07 | JasonF | Dewi: yeah, we've toyed with the idea of compiling our own php before, but I was hoping it wouldn't be this soon :( |
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| 16:11.29 | enouf | Octave_Octet: also perhaps you can do a /etc/init.d/{x,k,g}dm restart to Restart your X and KDE session |
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| 16:11.39 | penguin | Can one dual boot Vista and Debian? |
| 16:11.39 | abrotman | JasonF: you might be able to compile just that module |
| 16:11.58 | tigmmi | Azar only kuser seems to be the best, but I'm lookin for gtk one. the latest link is just for screen shots, where is the repository or the app name |
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| 16:12.04 | HostilePenguin | debian is installed reiserfs on a sata drive and installed reiserfs on a sata drive when i boot from ide drive i get The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2 |
| 16:12.12 | JasonF | abrotman: if I'm going to setup the build env, I'm going to compile my own php ;) |
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| 16:12.25 | enouf | Octave_Octet: cabling is ok? .. pastebin output of lsmod | grep par and output of cat /proc/ioports |
| 16:12.26 | humbolto | enouf: anyhow, best bet is i386 installation. Since I wont allocate more than 4GB of mem, I would not have any drawbacks from using i386 on a 64 bit cpu, would I? |
| 16:12.29 | penguin | I installed Debian, later installed Vista, used Knoppix to reinstall Grub and now Vista complains with "bootmgr is missing" |
| 16:12.45 | c0nf | hey, i got freshly installed debian etch and xfce4, when i press quit, i can only log out, i cant shut down or restart.. why so? |
| 16:12.50 | enouf | humbolto: not at all, afaik |
| 16:12.52 | penguin | Debian is on /dev/sda1 and Vista on /dev/sdb1 |
| 16:12.56 | HostilePenguin | it was saying that about my other sata drive until i partioned it ext2 |
| 16:13.01 | aadil | #vista |
| 16:13.02 | shajra | I'm really new to Perl, but not to Debian. Are CPAN modules installed system-wide when done with "-MCPAN -e shell"? |
| 16:13.02 | aadil | :> |
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| 16:13.10 | enouf | humbolto: think "backwards compatibilty" ;-) |
| 16:13.14 | sinizzl | kekekekz0r |
| 16:13.20 | sinizzl | anyone familiar with the ralink2500 chipsets? |
| 16:13.25 | PerfDave | shajra: Depends which user they're run as. You want to use dh-make-perl anyway. |
| 16:13.27 | perlmonke1 | sheesh. im still having a problem with partition sdd1. I created the partition in fdisk, wrote the table and rebooted, tried to create the fs, and partition could not be found in /dev again :-/ |
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| 16:13.40 | h3sp4wn | sinizzl: ask the real question |
| 16:13.51 | sinizzl | allright :D |
| 16:13.51 | PerfDave | humbolto: Unless you're doing heavy number-crunching, you won't see any real disadvantage to running an i386 install on a 64-bit CPU. |
| 16:13.53 | shajra | PerfDave: that's what I was driving at. |
| 16:13.56 | tigmmi | Azar, I think that I have to purge xfce and install kde or gnome, since those application will install lots of dependencies anyway |
| 16:14.00 | enouf | HostilePenguin: say again? reiserfs borkage? |
| 16:14.06 | perlmonke1 | before rebooting /dev/sdd1 was there, i checked. after rebooting its gone. :-? |
| 16:14.08 | humbolto | PerfDave: tnx |
| 16:14.15 | humbolto | PerfDave: decision made |
| 16:14.31 | sinizzl | anyone downloaded the 'next-gen' ralink driver with GIT from serialmonkey.com _? the instruction tells me to wait ages... i-ve been waitin for ages now.... how much age do i have to keep on waiting >? |
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| 16:14.35 | shajra | does dh-make-perl handle dependencies? |
| 16:14.37 | danilom | server:/home/danilo# /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 16:14.37 | danilom | Reconfiguring network interfaces.../etc/network/interfaces:1: misplaced option |
| 16:14.38 | danilom | ifdown: couldn't read interfaces file "/etc/network/interfaces" |
| 16:14.38 | danilom | /etc/network/interfaces:1: misplaced option |
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| 16:15.00 | PerfDave | shajra: It acts as a wrapper for perl -MCPANPLUS IIRC, so it should do. Haven't used it for a while though. |
| 16:15.04 | perlmonke1 | /dev/sdd1 is apparently in use by the system; will not make a filesystem here! |
| 16:15.04 | h3sp4wn | sinizzl: Just get the daily tarball |
| 16:15.12 | dimir | auto-rejoin! |
| 16:15.14 | perlmonke1 | (prior to rebooting) |
| 16:15.25 | Azar | tigmmi: not sure if those are all gui: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/adminutilities.htm |
| 16:15.41 | shajra | PerfDave: okay. |
| 16:15.43 | shajra | thanks. |
| 16:15.58 | HostilePenguin | why is my ide drive have to have ext2 on my sata drive to be happy? |
| 16:16.03 | sinizzl | h3sp4wn: where from ? |
| 16:16.06 | sinizzl | the daily tarball is labelled as LEGACY |
| 16:16.07 | c0nf | hey, i got freshly installed debian etch and xfce4, when i press quit, i can only log out, i cant shut down or restart.. why so? |
| 16:16.09 | sinizzl | i downloaded it, it doesnt provide MASTER MODE (i need that specific function) |
| 16:16.18 | Azar | tigmmi: I do not use kde or gnome: too bloated. You might google for Debian gtk utilities to find, or browse the Debian repository for stable |
| 16:16.25 | enouf | HostilePenguin: quick guess your /etc/fstab is incorrect, or your initrd doesn't have ext2/3 support .. |
| 16:16.36 | enouf | HostilePenguin: what? |
| 16:16.37 | sinizzl | c0nf: give the xfce-shutdown-helper permission to shut down... it has soemthing to fo with that afair |
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| 16:16.50 | penguin | I dont see any Google hits for "bootmgr is missing" for XP |
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| 16:16.57 | HostilePenguin | fstab thank you |
| 16:16.58 | h3sp4wn | sinizzl: actually it must have changed recently |
| 16:17.06 | penguin | Has Microsoft made it harder to dual boot with Vista? |
| 16:17.11 | abchirk | hi all.. |
| 16:17.12 | tigmmi | Azar, I did see about all those pages, but Cannot get any switable application for user/group admin at least, if not kuser |
| 16:17.12 | enouf | oh .. hehe |
| 16:17.41 | c0nf | sinizzl: how do i give xfce-shutdown-helper permission to shut down? |
| 16:17.42 | sinizzl | h3sp4wn: im pretty sure it says so on the download section of the homepage that the daily tarballs are the legacy driver. i installed them and it is not workin (it is, but master mode isnt) |
| 16:17.42 | PerfDave | penguin: Think of it as them making it easier to single-boot with Debian ;) |
| 16:17.46 | penguin | Anybody here hava a dual boot with Vista? |
| 16:17.50 | debmonkey | ok, /dev/sdd1 is now there and showing, but mkfs reports: /dev/sdd1 is apparently in use by the system; will not make a filesystem here! how can it be in use eh |
| 16:18.02 | sinizzl | c0nf: i don't know. honestly. |
| 16:18.04 | n3kl_ | Is there a debian store? |
| 16:18.09 | c0nf | sinizzl: ok.. thanks anyways |
| 16:18.10 | stoned | yeh |
| 16:18.11 | stoned | no |
| 16:18.16 | debmonkey | in use, with no fs and not even mounted??! wtf? |
| 16:18.17 | stoned | I sell debian tshirts and stickers |
| 16:18.18 | sinizzl | c0nf: just to let u know what direction to go |
| 16:18.23 | c0nf | :) |
| 16:18.24 | stoned | I should get my inventory online |
| 16:18.29 | sinizzl | stoned: where u located? |
| 16:18.31 | n3kl_ | stoned: yes you should |
| 16:18.31 | stoned | ny |
| 16:18.34 | sinizzl | damn |
| 16:18.36 | sinizzl | nevermind. |
| 16:18.38 | abchirk | !ops [GonuL] spam on join pr0n sites |
| 16:18.38 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: abchirk complains about: [GonuL] spam on join pr0n sites |
| 16:18.38 | Azar | gadmintools I see is only in unstable |
| 16:18.39 | penguin | I need Vista to watch Dances with the Stars |
| 16:18.44 | stoned | omg |
| 16:18.49 | stoned | I never see abchirk speak |
| 16:18.50 | stoned | haha |
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| 16:18.56 | stoned | ever! |
| 16:18.57 | abchirk | haha! |
| 16:18.59 | sinizzl | switzerland is teh rulz0r. |
| 16:19.02 | abchirk | !beer stoned |
| 16:19.12 | stoned | thank you sir |
| 16:19.26 | tigmmi | Azar, I do wonder if the UBUNTU tools may works for debian etch? it hase very good user/admin network gui administration tools |
| 16:19.26 | sinizzl | this git thing sure does suck. |
| 16:19.30 | debmonkey | stoned does the moula you get from the sale of debian merchandise go towards the greater good of debian project, or on drugs and booze |
| 16:19.34 | h3sp4wn | sinizzl: I think it is in the process of being merged into the kernel at the moment |
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| 16:19.44 | stoned | for debian dude |
| 16:19.50 | sinizzl | h3sp4wn: does the new devicescape stack support the ralink drivers? |
| 16:19.51 | debmonkey | hehe just teasing :P |
| 16:19.55 | stoned | I'm shocked that you'd even ask me this |
| 16:19.57 | stoned | shame on you |
| 16:19.58 | h3sp4wn | sinizzl: for accesspoint mode you need hostapd compiled with devicescape |
| 16:20.00 | Azar | tigmmi: no, packages from ubuntu will never work in Debian or opposite |
| 16:20.04 | sinizzl | i even tried ndiswrapper (doesnt work either) |
| 16:20.05 | h3sp4wn | sinizzl: yes |
| 16:20.06 | debmonkey | haha |
| 16:20.10 | sinizzl | h3sp4wn: how do i get it ? |
| 16:20.29 | h3sp4wn | sinizzl: (at least in the wireless git dev tree - don't know whether it is in kernel.org yet) |
| 16:20.29 | Azar | tigmmi: Debian has a huge repository of packages you only have to be patient and find what you need |
| 16:20.39 | tigmmi | Azar, they mainly use python ! |
| 16:20.39 | h3sp4wn | sinizzl: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/snapshots/patch-2.6.21-git9.bz2 |
| 16:20.41 | chops | Azar: I think he meant with a bit of porting, not necessarily the ubuntu .deb itself |
| 16:20.54 | sinizzl | allright, thx |
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| 16:21.01 | sinizzl | that one *does* include the new wlan stack ? |
| 16:21.02 | stoned | there is a python workshop tonight |
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| 16:21.09 | chops | tigmmi: Editing /etc/network/interfaces is the Debian way |
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| 16:21.11 | stoned | local lug |
| 16:21.17 | *** mode/#debian [-o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 16:21.19 | stoned | I might go |
| 16:21.23 | Azar | chops: if he wants to have the stable Debian, borrowing from other distros will render his system unstable |
| 16:21.35 | sinizzl | maybe i should be waiting for 2.6.22 to come out (if it *does* include the wlan drivers) ? |
| 16:21.45 | h3sp4wn | sinizzl: It has the new stack (dunno whether the ralink stuff is in yet though) |
| 16:22.00 | h3sp4wn | PerfDave: Its very old (the sid one even is 2 months old) |
| 16:22.05 | danilom | how can i reconfigure the ethernet |
| 16:22.07 | danilom | ?? |
| 16:22.10 | tigmmi | chops, for user/group admin, somthing other that useradd-ng? |
| 16:22.11 | sinizzl | h3sp4wn: so actually theres no point in installing the so called next-gen rt2x000 driver via git from serialmonkey.com ? |
| 16:22.11 | Azar | tigmmi: why not print and have your admins read the basics of Debian? |
| 16:22.19 | PerfDave | h3sp4wn: 2 months isn't very old. |
| 16:22.20 | stoned | holy damn |
| 16:22.22 | tigmmi | Azar, lol |
| 16:22.24 | stoned | PerfDave is in here too |
| 16:22.29 | wintix | danilom: edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:22.35 | tigmmi | Azar, He is new to linux |
| 16:22.37 | h3sp4wn | PerfDave: It is when something is under heavy development |
| 16:22.46 | wintix | danilom: and 'man interfaces' |
| 16:22.51 | Ronin | someone suffering from latest means greatest? |
| 16:22.52 | n3kl_ | http://www.cafepress.com/debianstuff |
| 16:23.03 | debmonkey | /dev/sdd1 is apparently in use by the system; will not make a filesystem here! <-- anyone have any explanations for this remark? partition has no fs, and is not mounted! |
| 16:23.17 | danilom | wintix, i did it, but this error appear wneh i do Reconfiguring network interfaces.../etc/network/interfaces:1: misplaced option |
| 16:23.18 | PerfDave | h3sp4wn: I was thinking about upgrading my firewall to Etch, the only real advantage rt2x00 has for me is being able to run my Gigabyte card in AP mode. |
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| 16:23.28 | enouf | cat /proc/version debmonkey |
| 16:23.31 | tigmmi | Azar, I think that I'll try t convince him to use UBUNTU if those things are hard to found and maintain. |
| 16:23.31 | debmonkey | ok |
| 16:23.31 | sinizzl | PerfDave: what teh heck r u talking about ? |
| 16:23.39 | sinizzl | PerfDave: explain, please. |
| 16:23.40 | wintix | danilom: read: :1: misplaced option |
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| 16:23.50 | wintix | danilom: line 1 is containing a error. |
| 16:23.55 | jason_ | what is the name of package for kernel headers? |
| 16:23.59 | sinizzl | PerfDave: r u telling me that u got a rt2x00 working in AP mode ? |
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| 16:24.05 | debmonkey | enouf: Linux version 2.6.18-4-686 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-11) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 SMP |
| 16:24.08 | PerfDave | sinizzl: I'm talking about the package rt2x00-source in Etch. |
| 16:24.13 | chops | tigmmi: If he wants GUI config tools and general desktop friendliness, Ubuntu may be a better distro for him |
| 16:24.17 | PerfDave | !r |
| 16:24.18 | dpkg | methinks r is a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. And it's "are", not "r" |
| 16:24.19 | Azar | tigmmi: maybe is a good idea, Debian is mostly educational, Ubuntu - recreational |
| 16:24.20 | PerfDave | !u |
| 16:24.20 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 16:24.21 | sinizzl | PerfDave: i was using that too, but it didnt let me use master mode |
| 16:24.23 | enouf | debmonkey: ok .. now dpkg -l hal dbus hotplug udev | grep ^.i |
| 16:24.32 | PerfDave | sinizzl: I've never used it. |
| 16:24.39 | sinizzl | ah, alright. |
| 16:24.49 | PerfDave | sinizzl: I was pondering upgrading my firewall to Etch. |
| 16:24.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | !k |
| 16:24.49 | dpkg | It's OK. OK stands for Zero Killed. If you keep on saying k, there won't be zero killed for much longer. |
| 16:24.51 | debmonkey | enouf: ii udev 0.105-3 /dev/ and hotplug management daemon |
| 16:24.58 | sinizzl | allright |
| 16:25.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | !1 |
| 16:25.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 16:25.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | finally |
| 16:25.13 | wintix | CutMeOwnThroat: msg the bot. |
| 16:25.19 | enouf | debmonkey: anything else? |
| 16:25.24 | debmonkey | just that |
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| 16:25.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | wintix: nah, wanted to share :) |
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| 16:25.42 | enouf | debmonkey: apt-get install hal dbus |
| 16:26.00 | debmonkey | enouf: thanks |
| 16:26.09 | HostilePenguin | thank you enouf fot the fstab tip fixed it perfect |
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| 16:26.11 | wintix | !tell CutMeOwnThroat about selftell |
| 16:26.14 | HostilePenguin | for |
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| 16:26.38 | Azar | you got a kid and worry about his mental progress, what do you give him for help? a math book or a pacman game to practice on? |
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| 16:27.03 | Ronin | Azar: drugs |
| 16:27.07 | wintix | lol |
| 16:27.10 | enouf | debmonkey: can you do a udevtest /dev/sdd1 for me? also is sdd1 listed in output of cat /dev/disk/* |
| 16:27.11 | Azar | haaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahaha! |
| 16:27.11 | PerfDave | Azar: If Pacman had done us any harm as children, we wouldn't run around in dark warehouses swallowing pills and listening to repetitive music. |
| 16:27.17 | Ronin | or at least it seems that way now in socitey |
| 16:27.25 | enouf | hq4ever: excellent ;-) |
| 16:27.31 | enouf | er HostilePenguin excellent |
| 16:27.50 | debmonkey | enouf: unable to open device '/dev/sdd1' :-/ |
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| 16:28.01 | sharingos | hi, Does anyone knows a way to clear out pipe's buffers? |
| 16:28.15 | Azar | PerfDave: I ment an analogy: Debian as the math book, Ubuntu as the PacMan game |
| 16:29.40 | enouf | ok .. install those pkgs and reboot (not usually necessary, but in your case, it'll likely help rerunning all the scripts again) |
| 16:29.40 | Begasus | hmm .. how do you close an x-session? |
| 16:29.40 | enouf | debmonkey: ^^^ |
| 16:29.40 | Begasus | (not restart) |
| 16:29.40 | debmonkey | :-/ |
| 16:29.40 | PerfDave | Azar: But Pacman isn't brown. |
| 16:29.40 | PerfDave | Begasus: How did you start your X session? |
| 16:29.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | Azar: like debian=boring and the kid will never even look at it and ubuntu=addictive and the kid learns a lot? |
| 16:29.40 | Azar | PerfDave: I thought it was yellow |
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| 16:29.40 | Begasus | it started auto PerfDave |
| 16:29.47 | Begasus | need to install the nvidia driver |
| 16:29.47 | enouf | heh |
| 16:29.57 | Begasus | but it tells me that I'm running X atm |
| 16:29.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | Azar: as an analogy, this could use some work |
| 16:30.01 | PerfDave | Begasus: "started auto"? You're using kdm or gdm? |
| 16:30.03 | wintix | Begasus: /etc/init.d/?dm stop |
| 16:30.06 | PerfDave | (or something) |
| 16:30.12 | debmonkey | enouf: ls /dev/ == brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 49 2007-05-08 17:09 sdd1 |
| 16:30.14 | Begasus | gnome |
| 16:30.21 | wintix | Begasus: /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
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| 16:30.56 | Begasus | thnx wintix! |
| 16:31.37 | debmonkey | too weird |
| 16:31.38 | Azar | CutMeOwnThroat: when I got my first "serious" PC, right after burning the adapter of my last Commodore, I got a "boring" IBM, with just dos on it. I was enraged, no colors, no graphics, no game just a prompt. Dad told me is time for me to grow up, and handed me a bunch of printed copies of the DOS manual. And I had no other choice but stick with it |
| 16:31.40 | enouf | hrm ..i wonder if the ? would work there as a wild card |
| 16:31.41 | Begasus | tse ... no gcc ... :s |
| 16:31.48 | Begasus | keeps getting better :P |
| 16:32.12 | enouf | debmonkey: i'm waiting ..for you to come back afterwards .. but not waiting long |
| 16:32.14 | wintix | enouf: don't think so |
| 16:32.14 | Begasus | dinner ... biab |
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| 16:32.24 | enouf | wintix: righto |
| 16:32.49 | wintix | enouf: but would be cool :) |
| 16:32.56 | debmonkey | enouf: /dev/sdd1 is listed in /dev/disk (shows from ls /dev/disk/*) |
| 16:33.01 | wintix | let's file a feature request bug ;) |
| 16:33.09 | enouf | wintix: indeed .. i'll test it if i can remember when i reboot next year ;-) |
| 16:33.23 | enouf | debmonkey: i'm waiting ..for you to come back afterwards .. but not waiting long <-- last time |
| 16:33.30 | tigmmi | Azar, I'm a fun of slackware, but somtimes people just peakup a well nown name linux destribution and ask me to prepare it with ease of use in minde, Slackware is just enough for me, and I manage my package when necessary |
| 16:33.44 | wintix | enouf: :D |
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| 16:34.19 | Ronin | !tell gott about root |
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| 16:34.37 | debmonkey | enouf: udevtest on /dev/sdd1 is not possible. ls /dev/disk/* shows: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2007-05-08 17:09 186fa15a-9624-4867-8195-096b40bfdfd7 -> ../../sdd1 |
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| 16:34.40 | Azar | tigmmi: when I first moved to linux in general I made sure to ask what is the most educational distro. I did not mind sitting on terminal for a while... I just wanted something "new" and "different" than windows |
| 16:34.49 | enouf | well .. i can do it beforehand, but i'm only up so long because i got so many apps open in X, if i close them to restart the session, i might as well reboot :-P |
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| 16:35.38 | wintix | enouf: common problem with stable linux boxes. once they are up you just don't want to reboot them :) |
| 16:35.55 | RichiH | Azar: not realy |
| 16:35.59 | enouf | debmonkey: sudo blkid /dev/sdd1 |
| 16:36.12 | enouf | wintix: precisely :-) |
| 16:36.16 | Azar | RichiH: I believe you, but that would be nice.. |
| 16:36.23 | roxy_ | Every morning I log into my work station update/upgrade then do the same thing to my 3 test servers via ssh. So I have to enter 4 time my password for sudo. Is there a way to make it automatic without my password to be in a file? |
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| 16:36.35 | torrr | what ldap server is good? |
| 16:36.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | Azar: yes.. similar here (although without a C64 before that) - but then didn't you install a game when you could? |
| 16:36.52 | debmonkey | enouf: when I tried to do the udevtest, it listed a lot of "parse_file: reading '/etc/udev... as rules file' is that ok? |
| 16:36.54 | enouf | debmonkey: udevtest on /dev/sdd1 is not possible <-- wtf does that mean? |
| 16:37.03 | enouf | yeah .. that;s ok |
| 16:37.11 | RichiH | Azar: i make sure spambots go away, if that counts ;) |
| 16:37.15 | Azar | CutMeOwnThroat: it felt a victory with every step I managed to learn admin of the system... |
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| 16:37.33 | debmonkey | enouf: it lists alot of lines, and the last line is "unable to open device /dev/sdd1' |
| 16:37.33 | enouf | you got bad rules files for libsane and shit ;likely |
| 16:37.33 | tminos | roxy_: man visudo |
| 16:37.33 | tigmmi | lol I've tried to install slackware 3.4 on a 486 machine, it's horible matter, but after that I've used many distro like mandrake() redhat ... And when I discovered slackware, I've stuck with it till now. It's more educational than debian, at least you need to recompile things and add other things and so on .... |
| 16:37.38 | wintix | roxy_: log in as root, using public key authentication. |
| 16:37.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | Azar: still you installed the game :) |
| 16:37.44 | enouf | debmonkey: when are you going to install some shit man? |
| 16:37.50 | tminos | roxy_: eg, "tminos ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL" allows my user (tminos) to do anything in sudo with no password |
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| 16:38.00 | debmonkey | enouf: /dev/sdd1: UUID="186fa15a-9624-4867-8195-096b40bfdfd7" TYPE="ext2" |
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| 16:38.06 | debmonkey | :-( |
| 16:38.10 | roxy_ | tminos: thanks |
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| 16:38.33 | debmonkey | enouf: it seems like this drive has a filesystem eh, but how is that possible? |
| 16:38.39 | roxy_ | wintix: I avoid to log as root as much as I can |
| 16:38.39 | enouf | debmonkey: you can't have a DE without that other shit .. un;ess you compile yourself, and figure out how to pull other dbus and dcop server shit out and still have fiunction |
| 16:38.58 | wintix | roxy_: well then. live with the sudo problem :) |
| 16:39.08 | roxy_ | :-) |
| 16:39.15 | debmonkey | im screwed? |
| 16:39.16 | Azar | RichiH: if you guys could have a Doom-utility like tool, that would be much fun: http://psdoom.sourceforge.net/ |
| 16:39.16 | enouf | debmonkey: udevtrigger -all |
| 16:39.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | debmonkey: because you're on the wrong disk :) |
| 16:39.29 | enouf | debmonkey: why not apt-get install already? |
| 16:39.41 | enouf | what's your problem? |
| 16:39.44 | debmonkey | what do I need to install? |
| 16:39.58 | enouf | i told you already |
| 16:40.12 | enouf | you said thank you even |
| 16:40.20 | debmonkey | oh its installed! i did it when you told me |
| 16:40.21 | enouf | ffs |
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| 16:40.36 | enouf | debmonkey: then i said what? |
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| 16:40.56 | wintix | enouf: poor enouf ;) |
| 16:40.57 | enouf | ok .. install those pkgs and reboot (not usually necessary, but in your case, it'll likely help rerunning all the scripts again) |
| 16:41.03 | enouf | ^^^^^^^^^^6 |
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| 16:41.23 | debmonkey | it's gone :( |
| 16:41.52 | wintix | debmonkey: he just told you again. |
| 16:41.53 | enouf | i'm tired of playing games with your bonkers frankenstonian setup |
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| 16:42.34 | thelostbutler | hello folks, i have a very wierd situation with autofs. i have resolv.conf setup with lines : search x.y.com a.b.com . i have a host w.x.y.com which is trying to mount v.x.y.com but for some reason autofs/nfs resolves it as v.a.b.com . host/ping resovle to the correct domain/ip address would appreciate some help |
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| 16:42.57 | debmonkey | my setup should be fine, this is a newly installed system |
| 16:43.02 | ktl | linus has spoken. kde |
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| 16:43.09 | enouf | debmonkey: you're MISSING components |
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| 16:43.30 | debmonkey | oh |
| 16:43.40 | debmonkey | perhaps I need to do a dist-upgrade |
| 16:43.46 | enouf | which you should never have been missing in the first place |
| 16:43.52 | debmonkey | my sources.list is showing testing |
| 16:43.55 | enouf | debmonkey: no |
| 16:44.08 | debmonkey | but I think I had etch |
| 16:44.09 | stew | enouf: what is he missing? |
| 16:44.14 | enouf | debmonkey: now you have them.. but they need to be restarted ... CAPISCE! |
| 16:44.20 | debmonkey | ok |
| 16:44.25 | debmonkey | yes |
| 16:44.33 | enouf | go already |
| 16:44.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | thelostbutler: use the ip :) |
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| 16:45.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | thelostbutler: or the full name |
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| 16:45.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | thelostbutler: but this might have occured to you, i guess? |
| 16:45.47 | enouf | stew: i could tell him how to reinitialize through telinit and whatnot, but just easier to tell him to reboot.. if only kids these days listened ;-) |
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| 16:45.53 | Azar | hehe gcc restricted to 32mb in mslalaland |
| 16:46.04 | c0nf | how do i install flashplayer under amd64 version? |
| 16:46.05 | septic | Does user "nobody" do the logrotate? |
| 16:46.07 | enouf | septic: since he's got a quite broken system for some odd reason |
| 16:46.08 | c0nf | it says it's not supported |
| 16:46.13 | enouf | i meant stew |
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| 16:47.16 | stew | enouf: what is he missing that he should have never been missing? |
| 16:47.28 | enouf | hal and dbus |
| 16:47.33 | enouf | stew: |
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| 16:48.06 | FJ_Sanchez | Hello |
| 16:48.10 | PerfDave | "missing" HAL and dbus sounds like a blessing. |
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| 16:48.45 | enouf | it does .. but that's reminiscing ;-p |
| 16:48.53 | PerfDave | enouf: Or FreeBSD :) |
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| 16:49.14 | enouf | heh |
| 16:49.17 | stew | yeah, i don't see why he should necessarly have hal and dbus |
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| 16:49.39 | stew | or what they had to do with his problem |
| 16:49.54 | debmonke1 | sheesh. no /dev/sdd1 again |
| 16:50.20 | FJ_Sanchez | Someone can help me with iSCSI? |
| 16:50.22 | enouf | stew: he's tried about 3 times to create a partition, and mkfs.ext3 on it .. and gets all these weird missing/mounted/fs in use already type errors |
| 16:50.40 | debmonke1 | :-( |
| 16:50.43 | enouf | he's also rebooted a few times .. or whatever he does when he went away |
| 16:51.03 | debmonke1 | I rebooted 3x |
| 16:51.17 | debmonke1 | on the 2nd reboot /dev/sdd1 appeared |
| 16:51.21 | debmonke1 | but now its gone again |
| 16:51.22 | tarzeau | any joiners? #bub-n-bros we're 4 dragons! |
| 16:51.25 | c0nf | how do i install flashplayer under amd64 version? it says it's not supported... and how do i paste something to uxterm? |
| 16:51.29 | jason_ | which package has "debuild" command? |
| 16:51.30 | enouf | stew: there's something he's not telling us .. just likethat kid with the VMWare thing and nVidia driver installation .. lol |
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| 16:51.41 | Presently42 | I've installed grub-pc and removed grub, but when I boot, the old grub is used (I see stage 1.5 and then menu.lst.). There is an option to chainload grub2, but, if I try this, I am told that /boot/grub/core.img can not be found, thugh it is there. |
| 16:51.48 | stew | jason_: /msg dpkg search |
| 16:51.53 | debmonke1 | all I can tell you is, this device was used previously |
| 16:52.03 | stew | debmonke1: how is the device connected? |
| 16:52.15 | debmonke1 | that device is in a hotswap raid server |
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| 16:52.47 | hermogenes | c0nf: "how do i paste something to uxterm?" mouse middle button click. |
| 16:52.50 | chops | c0nf: You need a 32-bit chroot with iceweasel installed in it |
| 16:52.50 | stew | debmonke1: does "fdisk -l" list the disk? does "fdisk -l /dev/sdd" list the partition? |
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| 16:53.19 | thelostbutler | CutMeOwnThroat: i am sure it would work if i make an entry in /etc/hosts but when doing at across 100 systems and in an env that is rapidly changes using ip address becomes a pain. i use auto.dir to manage them and this happens only bunch of systems and works fine on the rest |
| 16:53.19 | Presently42 | I have three partitions: hda1 is a boot partition, hda2 and hda3 are seperate installations of Debian. |
| 16:53.25 | debmonke1 | stew: aye it does, yes to both |
| 16:53.29 | enouf | stew: it always did/does .. he never mentioned any hot swap or raid previously .. see what i mean? |
| 16:53.29 | c0nf | hermogenes: thanks |
| 16:53.32 | jason_ | stew: I got error for "dpkg search debuild" |
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| 16:53.43 | stew | enouf: no, i don't see what you mean |
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| 16:53.48 | c0nf | chops: how do i get that 32-bit chroot .. or whatever lol (lame question ;() |
| 16:53.55 | stew | dpkg: tell jason_ about search |
| 16:53.57 | enouf | stew: ok .. that's to be expected |
| 16:54.05 | chops | c0nf: google "debian 32-bit chroot" |
| 16:54.09 | chops | c0nf: It is a bit involved |
| 16:54.23 | stevepastelan | hey guys |
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| 16:54.34 | stevepastelan | which package provides the md5 command? |
| 16:54.48 | stew | stevepastelan: /msg dpkg search |
| 16:54.48 | chops | stevepastelan: md5sum you mean? |
| 16:55.01 | stevepastelan | err well I've always called it md5 :) |
| 16:55.07 | stevepastelan | but I guess that's the one |
| 16:55.09 | enouf | stew: you can have his mess .. you're more than welcome .. now that i know about his unique situation, i don;t feel like helping anymore |
| 16:55.28 | debmonke1 | sheesh |
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| 16:55.33 | c0nf | chops: apt-get install ia32-libs .. and that's all? |
| 16:56.23 | debmonke1 | charming |
| 16:56.23 | stew | debmonke1: waht version of udev is installed? |
| 16:56.23 | jason_ | stew: got it.. thanks.. dpkg --search '*debuild*' works.. |
| 16:56.23 | debmonke1 | stew: i'm not sure, how do I check? |
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| 16:56.24 | XLV | debmonke1, you can try in fstab to refer to hdds using labels or the uuid eg http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=283131 |
| 16:56.24 | debmonke1 | thanks |
| 16:56.24 | stew | debmonke1: "apt-cache policy udev" and look for Installed: |
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| 16:56.34 | debmonke1 | im not sure why this particular drive is giving me these troubles, i have just setup 4 others and had no such problems |
| 16:56.43 | debmonke1 | ok |
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| 16:56.56 | stevepastelan | ty |
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| 16:57.35 | Presently42 | Nobody here knows about grub2/ |
| 16:57.36 | debmonke1 | stew: udev: Installed: 0.105-3. Candidate: 0.105-4 |
| 16:57.44 | peasset | hi, how do you play your .cue audio files? |
| 16:57.51 | debmonke1 | time to upgrade? |
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| 16:58.19 | stew | debmonke1: oh, what version of debian are you running? that is older than the current stable |
| 16:58.37 | peasset | is there a plugin for xmms to handle .cue audio files? |
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| 16:58.50 | minerale | wait, #debian on oftc is not the same as this #debian |
| 16:58.59 | stew | minerale: correct |
| 16:59.05 | debmonke1 | debmonkey1: damn, I installed this system from etch when it was testing |
| 16:59.08 | stew | minerale: they are similar but distinct |
| 16:59.39 | itchi | Can a 'tar' file (without compression) become corrupted? |
| 16:59.46 | stew | debmonke1: you should consider upgrading to etch, although i doubt it would solve this particular problem |
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| 16:59.52 | stew | itchi: anything can become corrupted |
| 16:59.56 | debmonke1 | ok |
| 16:59.57 | jason_ | stew: do you know how to use make-kpkg ? |
| 17:00.10 | stew | jason_: why? |
| 17:00.13 | itchi | stew: It's just that a compressed archive have much more chances to be get corrupted? |
| 17:00.15 | jason_ | I did "apt-get install alsa-source kernel-package" |
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| 17:00.20 | stew | itchi: 7 |
| 17:00.21 | jason_ | stew: apt-get install alsa-source kernel-package |
| 17:00.30 | itchi | stew: 7 times more? |
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| 17:00.36 | jason_ | stew: and want to make it.. |
| 17:00.38 | maemo | in a source dir, under debian dir what is compat file ? |
| 17:00.46 | stew | itchi: i have no idea how to answer |
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| 17:01.00 | stew | jason_: you want to compile alas? or a kernel? |
| 17:01.03 | stew | alsa* |
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| 17:01.13 | jason_ | stew: alsa-driver.. |
| 17:01.23 | itchi | stew: Anyway, compressed or not, it fit on on DVD, so i gona make it uncompressed then |
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| 17:01.40 | stew | jason_: aptitude install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i alsa |
| 17:02.01 | judgen_ | apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.XXX i need de lastest for 686 |
| 17:02.06 | stew | itchi: i don't see any reason to believe that whether or not a file is compressed might make a difference as to how likely it is to be corrupted |
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| 17:02.19 | stew | jason_: what version of debian are you running? |
| 17:02.21 | stew | judgen_: ^^ |
| 17:02.26 | stew | jason_: (not you) |
| 17:02.44 | PerfDave | judgen_: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-$arch where $arch is probably 686 |
| 17:02.45 | judgen_ | stew: just distupgraded to 4.0 and got som squid problem due to 2.4 kernel |
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| 17:02.55 | h3sp4wn | jason_: maybe you want to edit /etc/alsa/alsa-source.conf (save building modules you don't need) (I use ALSA_CARDS="ice1724") for example |
| 17:03.04 | itchi | stew: Dunno much about it to, i just tested it: if i make an archive, stop the process, so that my archive is half made. I can still look the content of it. With a compressed one, i not have a way to look the content |
| 17:03.05 | stew | judgen_: are you following the procedure in the release notes? (/msg dpkg sarge->etch) |
| 17:03.07 | jason_ | stew: that m-a a-i doesn't upgrade alsa driver so, i download the source by "apt-get install alsa-source kernel-package" |
| 17:03.09 | stoned | I am so pissed off right now :( |
| 17:03.51 | stew | jason_: yes, "m-a a-i alsa" compiles the alsa-source package you installed, you have no use for kernel-package |
| 17:03.55 | stoned | took me 3 weeks in hydrogen to create a full 4 minute track to go with specific riffs, I had a whole song. Then I was gonna sell this pc and I installed windows on it and I think I forgot to transfer my documents from the disk.. I can't fucking find it!! |
| 17:03.58 | judgen_ | stew: no i just went apt-get dist-upgrade :( |
| 17:04.08 | stoned | I must've deleted it... I AM SO PISSED |
| 17:04.10 | stoned | goddamit |
| 17:04.11 | stew | judgen_: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 17:04.37 | stoned | PerfDave: :( |
| 17:04.41 | stew | PerfDave: how are you getting away with only half :) |
| 17:04.54 | stoned | stew: you gonna go to the python workshop tonight? |
| 17:05.10 | stew | stoned: nope |
| 17:05.10 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 17:05.10 | dpkg | <kingk> Its pretty easy to install Flash, you just dl, unpack, and run the installer. But it doesn't work for me <takatumi> kingk: and yet you say it's easy. |
| 17:05.21 | jason_ | h3sp4wn: do you know how to build alsa driver with make-kpkg command? |
| 17:05.27 | itchi | stoned: Where? |
| 17:05.30 | concept10 | stoned, what python workshop? |
| 17:05.33 | tarzeau | jason_: for 2.6 kernels? |
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| 17:05.39 | judgen_ | stew : is there a way do go back to sarge ? |
| 17:05.42 | stew | jason_: why not "m-a a-i alsa" |
| 17:05.48 | stoned | hudson library |
| 17:05.51 | tarzeau | stew: isn't it all in the kernel? |
| 17:05.54 | stew | judgen_: what version of libc6 is installed |
| 17:05.59 | jason_ | stew: I tried it already but it didn't work.. |
| 17:05.59 | h3sp4wn | jason_: only when building a kernel at the same time |
| 17:06.01 | stoned | 66 leroy st. |
| 17:06.03 | stoned | nyc |
| 17:06.09 | stoned | anyway im way too pissed right now |
| 17:06.13 | stew | tarzeau: yes, he's trying to compile a newer one, which is why he installed alsa-source, and "m-a a-i alsa" would compile it |
| 17:06.17 | rellis__ | I've modified the configuration file /etc/network/interfaces as required for my network. Is there another script I need to run other than /etc/init.d/network restart to bring that config live? |
| 17:06.19 | stoned | 3 weeks of hardwork in hydrogen and now its wasted |
| 17:06.20 | stoned | fuck |
| 17:06.23 | stew | jason_: "didn't work"? be more specific |
| 17:06.24 | jason_ | tarzeau: yes 2.6 kernel |
| 17:06.25 | judgen_ | stew : how do i check that :) |
| 17:06.31 | stoned | im gonna go band my head against the wall |
| 17:06.35 | wintix | rellis__: no |
| 17:06.35 | stoned | bang* |
| 17:06.45 | rellis__ | wintix: sadly it does not work |
| 17:06.47 | stew | judgen_: " apt-cache policy libc6 | grep Installed " |
| 17:06.50 | jason_ | I already has the latest driver.. |
| 17:06.51 | rellis__ | wintix: heh, bug report time |
| 17:06.59 | wintix | rellis__: you mean /etc/init.d/networking ? |
| 17:07.01 | itchi | stoned: No, keep it as an experience (both side), now you can do much better with hydrogen :-) |
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| 17:07.03 | jason_ | stew: I already has the latest driver.. |
| 17:07.07 | rellis__ | wintx: yes |
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| 17:07.09 | judgen_ | stew: Installed: 2.3.6.ds1-13' |
| 17:07.15 | stoned | itchi: stop lookin at the bright side ! |
| 17:07.18 | stew | judgen_: no, you cannot go back to sarge |
| 17:07.19 | rellis__ | wintix* |
| 17:07.44 | stew | jason_: that sounds like "worked" not "didn't work" |
| 17:07.45 | c0nf | chops: i already have ia32-libs installed .. but it stll doesn't work? :P |
| 17:07.48 | stoned | itchi: while you're right, I'm still pissed cuz its not about hardwork, its about the fact that is is tedius. Every single instrument has to be placed with the beat |
| 17:07.52 | stew | jason_: did you get an error from m-a ? |
| 17:08.00 | stoned | itchi: 4 minute track took me 3 weeks, usually it takes months to get it right |
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| 17:08.14 | jason_ | stew: 4.0 has old version of alsa driver.. really old.. |
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| 17:08.19 | stoned | concept10: ! |
| 17:08.27 | stoned | concept10: you don't have a copy of my shit do you, by any chance? |
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| 17:08.34 | jason_ | stew: so i want to upgrade it to a newer version.. |
| 17:08.46 | stoned | concept10: looking for riff.h2song |
| 17:08.53 | concept10 | stoned, nope, sorry bud. I wouldnt know what to do with it anyway. |
| 17:08.55 | itchi | stoned: Yeah, i tried a bit to play with it, kinda hard. But i not have give much time to it |
| 17:09.05 | stoned | FUCK! |
| 17:09.11 | stew | jason_: "m-a a-i alsa" would do that |
| 17:09.11 | stoned | im gonna go kill a cancer stick |
| 17:09.15 | xarquid | installed compiz, added compiz --replace --fast-filter to sessions statup programs -- it didn't load. any ideas? |
| 17:09.21 | stoned | ever sinc ei moved to nyc i started smoking tobacco, its horrible |
| 17:09.24 | stoned | i must quit |
| 17:09.25 | stoned | bye |
| 17:09.37 | stew | jason_: you installed the alsa-source pacakge of the alsa version you want to have installed? |
| 17:09.42 | concept10 | stoned, better than me.. my music server will not even start |
| 17:09.43 | stoned | btw, i hate new york |
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| 17:09.59 | jason_ | stew: ok |
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| 17:11.29 | concept10 | Ive never seen this before, the power light just blinks when I turn the box on. After I tried to use the power supply of this box to test another mboard |
| 17:11.31 | wykis | Hello, xscanimage works on root properly while on normal user, it gives "[xscanimage] No scanners were identified."... |
| 17:11.44 | wykis | anybody got any idea how to solve this? |
| 17:12.10 | assasukasse | hi i have a question about a network printer and sane.. |
| 17:12.21 | assasukasse | i wanna scan directly to the printer, as it was a photocopier |
| 17:12.27 | assasukasse | how should i set the printer? |
| 17:12.32 | hermogenes | wykis: give the user permision to access the scanner device |
| 17:12.47 | assasukasse | hermogenes: i already did |
| 17:13.02 | assasukasse | now i need to know the direct command for printing |
| 17:13.02 | thelostbutler | wykis: you probably need check if the user is added to the right group |
| 17:13.02 | c0nf | how do i install flashplayer under amd64 version? it says it's not supported... i have ia32 installed :/ |
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| 17:13.53 | wykis | thelostbutler: well, the questions is how? |
| 17:14.13 | jason_ | I got error during "m-a a-i alsa": "Bad luck, the kernel headers for this kernel target could not be found and you did not specified other valid headers to be used" |
| 17:14.14 | hermogenes | wykis: If you're in gnome you can use the administration tool to add the user to a group which has access to the device |
| 17:14.17 | wykis | ah, found it |
| 17:14.19 | wykis | thanks :) |
| 17:14.32 | assasukasse | hermogenes: seems working now, maybe it needed a few sec to ship the image |
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| 17:14.41 | assasukasse | uhm no, is taking longer than expected |
| 17:14.44 | thelostbutler | wykis: what is the device that the scanner is using ? look at who the owners/groups are and then added the user to that group |
| 17:14.45 | wykis | coolness, thanks assu |
| 17:14.51 | wykis | thelostbutler: solved |
| 17:14.58 | thelostbutler | cool |
| 17:15.00 | wykis | wait, not solved yet ;) |
| 17:15.07 | jason_ | stew: I got error during "m-a a-i alsa": "Bad luck, the kernel headers for this kernel target could not be found and you did not specified other valid headers to be used" |
| 17:15.16 | FJ_Sanchez | Can someone help me with iscsi adapters? |
| 17:15.17 | itchi | Heh, on a DVD-RW there's noted Ver.1.1 What's that? |
| 17:15.28 | FJ_Sanchez | I want to set up a Debian initiator |
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| 17:16.13 | hermogenes | wykis: make up your mind |
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| 17:16.34 | stew | jason_: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 17:16.34 | assasukasse | the printer is receiving the file, but is taking forever...so i suppose permission are right, but maybe it scanned in a wrong format or i dnno |
| 17:16.57 | jason_ | stew: 2.6.18-4-686 |
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| 17:17.00 | wykis | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:17.05 | c0nf | i have 3 questions - how do i install flashplayer under amd64 version? it says it's not supported... but i do have ia32 installed :/ when i tried to delete file, which is in use - nothing happened.. only midnight commander showed that it's in use .. how so? i can't mark anything on desktop? i can 'mark' it only by clicking on it rofl ... and same here, how so? |
| 17:17.06 | stew | jason_: "m-a prepare" |
| 17:17.27 | jason_ | stew: it works |
| 17:17.42 | wykis | I set to root:scanner now. Still doesn't work |
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| 17:18.32 | assasukasse | done it works now |
| 17:18.32 | stoned | OMG! I found it! |
| 17:18.37 | assasukasse | needed to change the ps format |
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| 17:18.39 | stoned | oh thank god |
| 17:18.53 | debmonke1 | what's selinux-policy-refpolicy-targeted |
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| 17:19.08 | itchi | c0nf: Look what is using that file, lsof or so |
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| 17:19.20 | itchi | !beer stoned |
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| 17:19.35 | stoned | i haven't had a joint or beer in months |
| 17:19.36 | stoned | heh |
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| 17:19.49 | itchi | stoned: What's that shit heh :-p |
| 17:19.50 | stoned | i like being not high, its good to be able to remember things |
| 17:19.51 | perlmonke1 | stoned you are doing well, keep it up |
| 17:19.51 | stoned | :) |
| 17:20.04 | xarquid | i remember things high? |
| 17:20.09 | xarquid | how high do you get? =P |
| 17:20.20 | stoned | i go the moon baby |
| 17:20.22 | c0nf | itchi: my bad.. it wasn't in use, it was a .so file, which i could only delete with root acc.. but still - it didn't show any warnings |
| 17:20.24 | stoned | go to |
| 17:20.29 | xarquid | then don't go to the moon! |
| 17:20.35 | xarquid | stick with earth |
| 17:20.41 | h3sp4wn | c0nf: you could try nspluginwrapper if you wanted (personally it makes iceweasel crash to often for my liking) |
| 17:20.58 | itchi | c0nf: I dunno how it goes with a 64 |
| 17:20.59 | xarquid | the outter atmosphere and atmopsheric pressure upon reentry causes forgetfulness... |
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| 17:21.24 | stoned | concept10: do me a favor and keep a copy of http://laptop.letme.getmyip.com:8181/~stoned/music/hydrogen/riff.h2song |
| 17:21.27 | stoned | please |
| 17:21.31 | c0nf | h3sp4wn: if i wanted what? flash? uh, isn't there a way to install adobe flash player? |
| 17:21.46 | h3sp4wn | c0nf: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 17:21.49 | stoned | concept10: btw, I found a backup copy only.. its half of the song but still at least i won't have to do the whole thing over |
| 17:21.57 | itchi | stoned: Heh, make your own backup :-p |
| 17:22.06 | stoned | weren't there like hydrogen drumkits also packaged |
| 17:22.07 | abrotman | BOO! |
| 17:22.13 | h3sp4wn | c0nf: nspluginwrapper allows 32 bit plugins on a 64 bit browser (its pretty unreliable though) |
| 17:22.14 | stoned | only seem to have one kit |
| 17:22.19 | itchi | abrotman: Hello ;-) |
| 17:22.31 | stoned | hydrogen-drumkits |
| 17:22.32 | stoned | there we go |
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| 17:22.54 | c0nf | h3sp4wn: ok.. but why did you tell me to do /msg dpkg simple sid backport? adobe flash player isn't in repos, is it? |
| 17:23.07 | h3sp4wn | c0nf: You are on 64 bit ? |
| 17:23.09 | c0nf | yup |
| 17:23.18 | h3sp4wn | c0nf: There is no 64 bit flash plugin |
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| 17:23.24 | c0nf | just great.. |
| 17:23.26 | c0nf | :@ |
| 17:23.27 | stew | !gnash |
| 17:23.27 | dpkg | gnash is probably a GNU project to create a free software player for movies in Shockwave Flash format. Its developers plan on writing a stand-alone player and a plugin for Firefox. Plugins for other browsers may also be written afterwards. Writing a free software Flash-player has been a priority of the GNU project for some time. Before the launch of Gnash, the GNU project asked for people to assist the GPLFlash project. http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/ |
| 17:23.32 | nzk | Can I use Gedit to edit text files over SSH? |
| 17:23.50 | xarquid | nzk: are you on vnc or any graphical interface over ssh? |
| 17:24.04 | PerfDave | c0nf: Well, if you will use nasty proprietary formats... ;) |
| 17:24.22 | itchi | Will be nice to have a Dreamweaver Flash like 'free' program |
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| 17:24.36 | marsje | what is the best way to copy everything from one drive to another? |
| 17:24.37 | c0nf | PerfDave: what did you mean? :> |
| 17:25.01 | c0nf | meh.. i guess i'll stick with good old i386 :( |
| 17:25.03 | PerfDave | c0nf: I mean that Flash is a pile of crap and you're better off without it. |
| 17:25.07 | itchi | marsje: dd, cp, tar, ... |
| 17:25.35 | stew | c0nf: why not use gnash? |
| 17:25.39 | dwC` | i am trying to install a new copy of debian. I ran the netinst, rebooted the machine, configured it and it is stuck on installing the packages. i get this "there was a problem installing the selected software...." All I selected was "desktop environment" so it should have been pretty damn straight forward. I have tried changing the apt package mirrors and that didnt help either. I get the same result.. any ideas? |
| 17:25.44 | c0nf | PerfDave: actually.. you might be right rofl :o i needed it for only 1 site, which i don't REALLY need |
| 17:26.02 | marsje | itchi: dd sounds to low level, and for tar I need space to put the tar, so I guess cp is prefered right now |
| 17:26.03 | PerfDave | stew: Because Flash is still a pile of crap even with Gnash. |
| 17:26.21 | stew | PerfDave: i'm not positive that this is the reason he isn't using it |
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| 17:26.37 | c0nf | stew: does it run flash on firefox too? :o |
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| 17:26.50 | c0nf | Gnash can also run as a plugin from within most Mozilla derived browsers, such as Firefox. Gnash also has support for Konqueror. |
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| 17:26.54 | c0nf | oo.. gonna try it, thanks |
| 17:27.09 | stew | !info mozilla-plugin-gnash |
| 17:27.13 | dpkg | mozilla-plugin-gnash: (free Flash movie player - Plugin for Mozilla and derivatives), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.7.2+cvs20070428.1515-1 (sid), Packaged size: 206 kB, Installed size: 332 kB |
| 17:27.32 | PerfDave | stew: That doesn't mean that it isn't true :) |
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| 17:28.11 | stew | c0nf: what version of debian are you running? |
| 17:28.18 | c0nf | stew: etch |
| 17:28.22 | ustunozgur | c0nf: you need chroot to install flash on 64 bit machines or nspluginwrapper if you have a 64 bit Intel. |
| 17:28.35 | stew | c0nf: its not in etch, /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 17:28.44 | itchi | marsje: Depend if you want the MBR and a exact bit copy |
| 17:28.52 | GeorgeS069 | Could someone tell me which linux-image package I should use for an AMD Sempron 2600+ CPU? |
| 17:29.07 | stew | GeorgeS069: -k7 |
| 17:29.18 | c0nf | ustunozgur: gaah.. someone told me to google about chroot, but all i found is apt-get install ia32 .. but i do have it, and i still can't install flash >_< |
| 17:29.20 | marsje | itchi: no... I'm going simple partition small drive to a bigger one with RAID and LVM |
| 17:29.33 | marsje | itchi: going from ... to... |
| 17:29.33 | chops | c0nf: That's because you need to install a 32-bit iceweasel also |
| 17:29.54 | GeorgeS069 | Stew:Ok...that's what I chose but,I'm having clock issues.the clock is running too fast.any ideas how I can fix it? |
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| 17:30.06 | stew | GeorgeS069: /msg dpkg ntp |
| 17:30.12 | c0nf | chops: now that's complicated.. so many things to do just to get flash working, maybe i'll just install i386 rofl :p |
| 17:30.16 | maher | marsje: do you have the raid / lvm / fs set up on the other drive? |
| 17:30.19 | chops | c0nf: You could do that too |
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| 17:30.40 | jason_ | stew: do you have any idea about my m-a problem? |
| 17:30.41 | c0nf | btw. why can't i mark anything on desktop? i can 'mark' it only by clicking on it (i'm using etch and xfce4) |
| 17:30.41 | GeorgeS069 | stew: thanks |
| 17:31.20 | stew | jason_: did you successfully run "m-a prepare"? |
| 17:31.51 | marsje | maher: yes, I already did all that... now installed the drives (2) in the machine with the original drive |
| 17:31.52 | marsje | maher: I guess I have to mount the partitions and cp the files... |
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| 17:32.19 | ustunozgur | c0nf: that's because xfce has no real desktop yet. you can select multiple items with Ctrl and Shift. |
| 17:32.32 | c0nf | ustunozgur: oh, okay.. i thought it was just me :) |
| 17:32.38 | maher | marsje: yes - cp is good - rsync will work too, and can give you more control if you want to omit certain things... |
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| 17:33.10 | JasonF | Is there howto anywhere on compiling your own php "the debian way"? I've been looking but haven't found anything. If not, is there a good generic howto anyone can reccomend for me? |
| 17:33.33 | marsje | maher: I never used rsync in my life. but I don't mind typing cp /var /home /whatever /mnt/newdrive/ |
| 17:33.35 | maher | JasonF: you can rebuld the php packages using dpkg-buildpackage |
| 17:34.05 | stew | JasonF: why compile it? why not just install the precompiled php? |
| 17:34.10 | maher | marsje: that should work - you may want cp -a, read the man page to see which options you want |
| 17:34.16 | JasonF | stew: I need a module that debian doesn't provide. |
| 17:34.21 | stew | JasonF: which? |
| 17:34.27 | JasonF | php5-gmp |
| 17:34.34 | JasonF | for the pear package to do rsa encryption |
| 17:34.58 | marsje | maher: I was wondering what to do with things like /proc, /tmp, /dev |
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| 17:35.39 | stew | JasonF: /msg dpkg debian/rules ; /msg dpkg source |
| 17:35.53 | JasonF | thx stew |
| 17:36.10 | maher | marsje: you should copy /proc /tmp /sys, you probably don't want to copy /tmp if you are using udev, you just want the directories, not the contents |
| 17:36.40 | ccvp | http://expo.live.com/ViewListing.aspx?lId=4128089 |
| 17:36.41 | ccvp | tight |
| 17:36.48 | stew | marsje: you should NOT copy /proc or /sys |
| 17:36.54 | Thms | how can I know in which groups I am ? |
| 17:37.02 | ccvp | check that out |
| 17:37.02 | stew | Thms: type "groups" |
| 17:37.06 | ccvp | new g37 coupe |
| 17:37.08 | JasonF | marsje: when I do that , I usually don't even copy dev |
| 17:37.10 | PerfDave | Or "id" |
| 17:37.14 | stew | c0nf: please keep it on-topic |
| 17:37.17 | maher | marsje: try rsync -avz --exclude=/tmp --exclude=proc etc. |
| 17:37.17 | stew | c0nf: not you |
| 17:37.21 | stew | ccvp: please keep it on-topic |
| 17:37.37 | maher | marsje: try rsync -avz --exclude=/tmp --exclude=proc (and other dirs) frompath topath |
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| 17:38.11 | marsje | maher: rsync also copies links and permissions? |
| 17:38.20 | mike1o | pihhan, I managed to login to the vnc server... but for some reason I just see a gray screen |
| 17:38.23 | JasonF | maher: if you use -a |
| 17:38.32 | JasonF | maher: man rsync, then look for "archive" |
| 17:38.37 | JasonF | -a does lots of good, useful things |
| 17:38.40 | maher | marsje: yes - use -av, forget the z, read the man rsync page for full details of the options and what they do |
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| 17:39.20 | marsje | JasonF: /proc, /dev, /sys will be made by the kernel upon boot? |
| 17:39.37 | JasonF | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:39.55 | JasonF | as long as the dirs exist |
| 17:39.56 | JasonF | as far as /dev, I think udev will take care of that, but ymmv |
| 17:40.15 | maher | marsje: you need the directories to be present, but the kernel / udev puts the files in there |
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| 17:40.42 | maher | marsje: if you are not using udev then you will need stuff in dev |
| 17:41.07 | TuTuFF | if a packge requires GTK+ 2.6.0 or newer what package(s) will I need please? |
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| 17:41.20 | marsje | maher: udev sounds familiar, but how do I surely know that I'm using that? |
| 17:41.30 | marsje | maher: I'm on kernel 2.6.18 |
| 17:41.50 | abrotman | TuTuFF: apt-cache -- search libgtk -dev |
| 17:42.00 | TuTuFF | thank you |
| 17:42.07 | maher | marsje: you are almost certainly using udev - try ps auxw | grep udev |
| 17:42.58 | marsje | maher: yes, udevd is running |
| 17:43.47 | maher | marsje: ok - just make a /dev dir on the new fs, you don't need to put anything in it |
| 17:44.03 | marsje | maher: same for /proc and /sys? |
| 17:44.09 | maher | marsje: yes |
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| 17:44.45 | gimmulf | Hi, anyone know where the virtualhost config is ? |
| 17:45.22 | wykis | gimmulf: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_hosting |
| 17:45.32 | TuTuFF | I I installed libgtk-dev and now I get the message (similar to before) Perhaps you should add the directory containing `gtk+-2.0.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PAT$ |
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| 17:46.01 | TuTuFF | to the CONFIG_PATH No package 'gtk+-2.0' found |
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| 17:46.29 | sivik | what is the correct command needed to reconfigure my xorg.conf file |
| 17:46.33 | TuTuFF | pardon me I installed libgtk1.2-dev |
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| 17:46.49 | stew | sivik: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 17:46.55 | sivik | thanks stew |
| 17:47.06 | marsje | how do I bring my system down in such way that I can safely copy everything? |
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| 17:47.22 | fabio__ | is there a way to get the list of the package installed through apt-get from a specific repository URL? thanks |
| 17:48.15 | stew | fabio__: no |
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| 17:48.21 | h3sp4wn | marsje: personally I would do it from grml |
| 17:48.35 | fabio__ | neither the currently installed packages' :| |
| 17:48.38 | h3sp4wn | marsje: (live cd - but I boot it form usb) |
| 17:49.01 | nvz | fabio__: not unless you are wrapping apt-get with an application that databases such things |
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| 17:49.12 | abrotman | TuTuFF: i think you want libgtk2.0-dev or something like that |
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| 17:49.32 | TuTuFF | ok thanks I`ll try :) |
| 17:49.34 | marsje_x | h3sp4wn: can't I just go to single user mode? or isn't that good enough? |
| 17:49.49 | sivik | thanks all |
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| 17:49.58 | fabio__ | I suppose that when i do apt-get upgrade, it looks in the same place where it get that package for first time installation, so i suppose it holds the information about the repository from which that package was original got.. |
| 17:50.24 | maher | marsje: if you're not running a db you can probably just copy everything from a live system... |
| 17:50.28 | nvz | fabio__: no apt will prefer the first package it comes across unless another repo has a newer version |
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| 17:50.34 | tarzeau | stoned: where's the actual smc packages? |
| 17:50.54 | nvz | fabio__: so its getting them all from the first mirror in sources.list unless it doesnt exist there or the version is older than another source |
| 17:50.59 | stew | fabio__: no, it doesn't look in the same place where it got the package before. it looks in every available place |
| 17:51.15 | stew | fabio__: it doesn't remember where packages were downloaded from |
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| 17:51.29 | TuTuFF | abrotman: that was the package .. appreciate it |
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| 17:52.07 | fabio__ | ok, so i can solve this problem removing the repository from the source.list and check for teh packages that have anymore any avaiable source? |
| 17:52.25 | fabio__ | so that packages have been installed from the removed repo.. right? |
| 17:52.42 | nvz | !wayttd fabio__ |
| 17:52.42 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, fabio__? |
| 17:52.43 | itchi | Is there somethings wrong with burning files higher as 2 GB on a DVD? |
| 17:52.45 | abrotman | TuTuFF: enjoy |
| 17:53.02 | fabio__ | i want to remove packages installed from a specific repo |
| 17:53.04 | marsje | maher: I hope so, because it's a old machine and booting some desktop live cd won't really work I think... I just want to stop as much software as possible |
| 17:53.19 | fabio__ | so my idea was that exists a command to list packages from specific repo |
| 17:53.22 | nvz | itchi: seems that depends on the filesystem |
| 17:53.33 | itchi | nvz: I have selected UDF |
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| 17:53.44 | maher | marsje: if you are worried about any particular service / daemon just stop it |
| 17:53.58 | nvz | fabio__: there is no possible way to determine that. unless the versions or checksums differ somehow |
| 17:54.03 | itchi | nvz: I tried with K3b, gnomebaker but both fails. It's a DVD-RW btw |
| 17:54.18 | nvz | itchi: it just refuses to write it? |
| 17:54.29 | iwkse | hi all, i'm not getting with the shift+altgr+[ the symbol { anybody knows how i can fix that? |
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| 17:54.42 | itchi | nvz: It take 1 second to burn the thing. I get 'input/output error' and that's is it :-( |
| 17:54.44 | fabio__ | if I remove that repo from the source lists, isn't there a way to look for packages that have anymore 1 avaiable repo? |
| 17:54.51 | nvz | itchi: I dont offhand know the limitations of that filesystem but that seems weirt |
| 17:54.58 | marsje | maher: I would feel safer in single user mode, but I'm not sure if I then can still access the new raid/lvm partitions |
| 17:55.10 | roby | What is the most common console text web browser used in etch? |
| 17:55.13 | nvz | fabio__: all debian repos should have exactly the same things in them |
| 17:55.24 | itchi | nvz: I thought us need UDF if files > 2 GB |
| 17:55.26 | stew | fabio__: possibly with apt-show-vesrions ; but its not goign to be exact |
| 17:55.42 | maher | marsje: I don't see whay not |
| 17:56.03 | fabio__ | ok |
| 17:56.12 | nvz | itchi: yeah I thought that was the case as well.. but thats not explaining where your i/o error is comming from |
| 17:56.24 | fabio__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:56.37 | marsje | maher: only issue left is this: how to boot with the new drives and my old drives removed? I guess I need to put grub on the new drive too.. |
| 17:56.59 | nvz | itchi: you'd have to break the process down to see what the problem is.. create the image seperately then try burn it DAO |
| 17:57.06 | itchi | nvz: Dunno to, i need to burn it right now, or 20 mins ago :-s |
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| 17:57.34 | shartte | Hmmm. I installed the 2.6.20 vserver kernel from unstable on my etch box and now it doesn't create /dev/pts/ on bootup. Where would I look for error messages related to that? |
| 17:57.36 | agent | What is a good xml schema validator? |
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| 17:57.43 | nvz | itchi: a DAO burn of an image shouldnt know or care the filesize.. seems the frontends you are using are choaking on creating the image |
| 17:57.45 | endra | hey |
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| 17:57.57 | endra | how would I go about installing genuine java instead of this gij crap |
| 17:58.16 | ustunozgur | endra: sun-java5 packages |
| 17:58.17 | endra | I can get the rpm, convert it with 'alien', and set it up with dpkg, but.. should I remove/add something extra? |
| 17:58.27 | nvz | itchi: maybe your filesystem its creating the image on doesnt have enough space or doesnt like the large file size |
| 17:58.27 | endra | ah. its already a package. |
| 17:58.29 | itchi | nvz: Wich tool do you recommend? cli will perfect to, time that i start cli for taht too |
| 17:58.29 | maher | marsje: yes |
| 17:58.49 | itchi | Sorry, i not have watch my screen while typing :-s |
| 17:59.01 | ustunozgur | and then you should run the command "update-java-alternatives -s sun-java5" or stg like that. |
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| 17:59.44 | nvz | itchi: you need more information from somewhere so you either need more verbose output from the frontend or you gotta walk through the steps manually and locate the source of the problem |
| 17:59.44 | ustunozgur | that script makes all related symlinks to sun's java. |
| 17:59.45 | stew | endra: 'aptitude install sun-java5-jre' ; its in non-free: /msg dpkg non-free |
| 18:00.05 | endra | Yup, I already have non-free setup as sources |
| 18:00.22 | endra | Speaking of that, why is it firefox has a different name on every linux OS lol |
| 18:00.26 | endra | Why can't it just be called firefox :-/ |
| 18:00.40 | shartte | it's not called firefox on debian because of a trademark issue as far as i know |
| 18:00.40 | maher | endra: ask mozilla |
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| 18:01.03 | nvz | endra: they trademarked the name or something that caused most freedom motivated distros to just change the name |
| 18:01.11 | marsje_x | maher: I use grub-install /dev/hdc ? (hdc is the new drive which will be /dev/hda when I'm done) |
| 18:01.16 | endra | so they forked it with a new name |
| 18:01.18 | itchi | nvz: I make space first ;-) |
| 18:01.25 | nvz | endra: basically |
| 18:01.45 | itchi | nvz: Gona first try to make an image. Bah, i need a nice cli burner app |
| 18:01.47 | shartte | yes although i don't think it's a "real" fork since only patches are applied to the original codebase, right? |
| 18:01.57 | nvz | itchi: heh if you dont have space to create the image thats probably the problem anyhow |
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| 18:02.01 | maher | marsje: umm... yes i think that's all you need - but try and keep some extra way to boot the box just in case |
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| 18:02.25 | itchi | nvz: no no, space enought for that, i just make space twice |
| 18:02.35 | ustunozgur | they have the logo trademarked I think. |
| 18:02.50 | shartte | Can i view the content of /etc/rcS.d/ online for unstable? |
| 18:02.53 | itchi | nvz: Cause i always try to keep free space enought, to avoid such troubles |
| 18:02.59 | shartte | I need to look at one file only and don't want to download the entire distro |
| 18:03.00 | nvz | itchi: idk cdrecord and cdrdao are the only two I know of and they both use the same libs.. but afaik neither of them do anything more than burn all other stuff like creating images and whatnot is up to other apps |
| 18:03.08 | marsje_x | maher: I guess I have a knoppix cd around here... |
| 18:03.31 | agent | It's similar to Ion. The author of Ion created a license clause that states you cannot use the name Ion with modification so now people are looking for a name replacement. But the author went off the deep end (read: went crazy) and got so upset of people patching Ion that he will no longer do any more developement work on Ion or on any other FOSS project. |
| 18:03.38 | uttara | I was using "evolution" email client on Ubuntu desktop. Now I have installed Debian on another partition. Is it possible to make the "evolution" in debian to use the "data" in ubuntu's .evolution directory |
| 18:03.39 | itchi | nvz: Yeah, i need to investigate and find nice cli tools. Thanks anyway ;-) |
| 18:03.40 | nvz | shartte: apt-file |
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| 18:04.12 | shartte | I dont have that command nvz... |
| 18:04.17 | marsje_x | hmmmm.... marcel@debian:/sys$ sudo grub-install /dev/hdc |
| 18:04.18 | dob1 | hi, it is right that if i add a pdf printer to cups it ask me for model and brand of the printer? |
| 18:04.18 | shartte | And no manpage either |
| 18:04.24 | nvz | itchi: the only one I ever used was mp3burn which is just a little script to facilitate burning mp3s to cdda using cdrecord |
| 18:04.28 | nvz | !intallit |
| 18:04.33 | nvz | !installit |
| 18:04.34 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 18:04.50 | shartte | oops |
| 18:04.59 | shartte | now i got burned |
| 18:05.05 | marsje_x | grub-install gives me: /dev/hdc does not have any corresponding BIOS drive. |
| 18:05.17 | nvz | shartte: heh.. apt-file should allow you to see the file you are looking for from its package |
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| 18:05.37 | Roey | hi |
| 18:05.37 | shartte | hm i guess i will have to change my sources.list temporarily to point at unstable, right? |
| 18:05.42 | shartte | since i am currently running stable |
| 18:05.44 | tarzeau | !orkut |
| 18:05.44 | dpkg | i heard orkut is /msg tarzeau for orkut invites |
| 18:05.48 | Roey | Where exactly does Postgrey keep its dynamically-updated whitelist? |
| 18:06.06 | abrotman | tarzeau: come on |
| 18:06.12 | nvz | shartte: I'm not sure how apt-file works exactly I never need it.. but I think it can handle that on its own |
| 18:06.55 | stew | shartte: what exactly are you after? |
| 18:07.13 | agent | Anyone know of a xml schema validator? I know one exists since I used it a long time ago, but have since forgot the name. |
| 18:07.19 | shartte | I "backported" (just downloaded+installed) the 2.6.20 kernel from unstable on my stable system because of the newer vserver patch. |
| 18:07.36 | shartte | Now i am missing /dev/pts after startup and i think it's because of udev changes |
| 18:07.41 | nvz | shartte: ah, well it does work like apt-get but you can specify a different sources.list |
| 18:07.42 | shartte | So i am looking for the new udev startup script :-) |
| 18:07.56 | nvz | shartte: so you dont have to modify yours to use apt-file you can create another |
| 18:08.37 | stew | shartte: "new" udev startup script? what is wrong with your current startup script? |
| 18:08.58 | shartte | As i said it doesn't create /dev/pts/ |
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| 18:09.15 | stew | agent: libxml-xerces-perl has some in /usr/share/doc/libxml-xerces-perl/examples |
| 18:09.27 | shartte | I have to use SFTP to create /dev/pts/ and mount it. Otherwise sshd refuses my login because it's unable to allocate a pty. |
| 18:09.38 | stew | shartte: unstable has the same udev as stable |
| 18:09.39 | nvz | tarzeau: o.O.. I checked that out and it was even more rediculous than myspace.. the site had so many errors I quickly lost interest |
| 18:09.52 | shartte | Thats not good (for me) :-) |
| 18:10.00 | nvz | s/redi/ridi/ |
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| 18:11.32 | dniel | hello i'm argentinian, I don't speak a good english |
| 18:11.35 | dniel | what torrent client recommend for linux? |
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| 18:11.41 | shartte | ah but actually i didn't mean the udev startup script i meant: S04mountdevsubfs.sh. It has some interesting things on line 58 which relates to devfs not having /dev/pts. I wanted to take a look at that in unstable :-( |
| 18:11.42 | dniel | on console |
| 18:12.16 | nvz | dniel: rtorrent will work on console |
| 18:12.33 | nvz | dniel: confuses the hell out of me, but seems like a well rounded application |
| 18:12.49 | PerfDave | rtorrent is great. |
| 18:12.56 | nvz | yeah seems like it. |
| 18:12.57 | stew | shartte: 2.6.20 doesn't have devfs |
| 18:13.13 | nvz | just too damn large of a learning curve for something I don't really use |
| 18:13.14 | shartte | yes i know. it just sounded like a similar problem :-) |
| 18:13.15 | dniel | nvz: yes, but it don't work for www.bitsoup.org |
| 18:13.26 | tarzeau | Azar: join bub-n-bros.sf.net now? |
| 18:13.43 | nvz | dniel: why is that? and furthermore.. who cares? |
| 18:13.56 | shartte | And i have absolutly no idae why this is happening. I used a custom built 2.6.20 kernel before i used the package from unstable and didn't have the problem... (Although i couldn't use iptables conntrack with that kernel *sigh*) |
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| 18:14.17 | stew | shartte: and that script is provided by the "initscripts" package which, again, is the same version on stable and unstable |
| 18:14.37 | nvz | near as I can tell bittorrent is standardized and any client/server pair that doesnt work together is just ridiculous |
| 18:14.46 | stew | shartte: perhaps try the kernel from backports.org? |
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| 18:15.08 | shartte | I'll have a look at that stew, thanks. |
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| 18:15.55 | nvz | shartte: next time you want to add a single config option pull the source of your running and working kernel and just add that option and recompile using the same config :P |
| 18:16.05 | h3sp4wn | shartte: did you also backport initramfs-tools ? |
| 18:16.09 | shartte | i tried nvz |
| 18:16.16 | shartte | no h3sp4wn |
| 18:16.35 | dniel | nvz: rtorrent say: This client doesn't work for this torrent |
| 18:16.48 | shartte | nvz: wouldn't work for me. i wanted the newer vserver patch which was only available for 2.6.20 at the time. |
| 18:16.51 | dniel | nvz: i don know |
| 18:16.55 | dniel | nvz: i don't know |
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| 18:17.33 | nvz | dniel: are you using some kind of I-made-this-protocol-up-in-a-drunken-stuper://link-to-torrent/ link |
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| 18:17.40 | h3sp4wn | shartte: using ide or sata ? |
| 18:17.43 | shartte | sata |
| 18:20.00 | shartte | the system boots |
| 18:20.00 | shartte | all services are running without any problems. I just can't log in via ssh because there is no /dev/pts |
| 18:20.00 | dniel | nvz: no |
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| 18:20.00 | nvz | dniel: I noticed some of the more candied Graphical clients have their own made up protocols for links they catch from browsers |
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| 18:20.00 | shartte | h3sp4wn: actually i can fix the problem by logging in via SFTP and creating&mounting /dev/pts by hand (until i reboot that is) |
| 18:20.00 | nvz | dniel: maybe you should be using one of those.. like azerus or however the hell you spel that |
| 18:20.01 | dniel | nvz: another.... i don't like java apps |
| 18:20.23 | abrotman | bittornado ? |
| 18:20.28 | nvz | dniel: me either.. heh.. but my phone runs on it.. so I deal with it |
| 18:20.40 | abrotman | hrm .. some gnome one that i can't recall right now |
| 18:21.01 | nvz | abrotman: he wants a console based one, but he says rtorrent refuses to d/l a file from a particular site |
| 18:21.04 | abrotman | oh |
| 18:21.10 | abrotman | bittornado has a CLI part |
| 18:21.19 | nvz | abrotman: rtorrent seems to be the favored client for console |
| 18:21.23 | abrotman | i know |
| 18:21.38 | dniel | abrotman: thanks. I will download it |
| 18:21.44 | shartte | Hm where would i find the backports.org public key? I don't see it anywhere on their website. |
| 18:21.52 | abrotman | shartte: should be in the FAQ |
| 18:22.18 | shartte | The FAQ has only one entry for me which is about dist-upgrading from sarge to etch. |
| 18:22.25 | abrotman | shartte: what's the key ? |
| 18:22.34 | shartte | EA8E8B2116BA136C? |
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| 18:22.44 | abrotman | !apt-key 16BA136C |
| 18:22.44 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 16BA136C ; gpg --export 16BA136C | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 18:22.48 | shartte | thanks |
| 18:23.31 | nvz | hmm I just found a roach on my dresser.. the good kind.. heh |
| 18:23.51 | abrotman | good thing your gf didn't find it! |
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| 18:25.43 | nvz | yeah well first of all I don't have a g/f secondly if she was my g/f she wouldnt care she's a hippie.. |
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| 18:25.51 | EvilDin | hi, is it possible to backup specific users in privliges of mysql 4.1 and those user export on new mysql 5.0 |
| 18:26.02 | abrotman | ask #mysql |
| 18:26.24 | nvz | a hippie that doesnt smoke.. but still a peace loving hippie none the less |
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| 18:28.33 | mohkohn | I am having problems getting my wireless to go in Etch on a 24 inch iMac |
| 18:28.36 | peterS | you know, the debian archive should start using a key that starts with 09F9 |
| 18:28.37 | EvilDin | am, do you maybe know how could i look which application uses port 8000 |
| 18:28.40 | mohkohn | http://www.debianhelp.org/node/7016 |
| 18:28.59 | nvz | peterS: o.O ? |
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| 18:29.11 | mohkohn | I posted my tale of woe here along with some results from lspci -v and dmesg | tail |
| 18:29.19 | nvz | EvilDin: netstat -pant |
| 18:29.33 | peterS | nvz: in fact, we should all start using cryptographic keys that start with 09F9. generating one isn't hard, you just have to randomly generate 65536 of them or so, to find one that starts with that |
| 18:29.35 | nvz | EvilDin: assuming its currently listening, waiting, connected.. |
| 18:30.00 | nvz | peterS: haha.. and why would we go through that trouble? |
| 18:30.20 | peterS | nvz: because people would always think we're using some HD-DVD key, since all they'll remember is the first 4 digits |
| 18:30.27 | mohkohn | So my question..How do I get the wireless card to work on the 24 inch Intel iMac under Etch? |
| 18:30.28 | shartte | I guess counterstrike users would prefer netstat -nap |
| 18:30.40 | nvz | peterS: I think the debian-multimedia key starts with that |
| 18:30.49 | nvz | looks familiar anyhow |
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| 18:31.02 | pabst | why would LVM be loading but not seeing the volumes on my raid array? |
| 18:31.32 | EvilDin | um i check no program isn't listening to port 8000 |
| 18:32.02 | EvilDin | but still app that i run can't listen to 8000 |
| 18:32.02 | nvz | peterS: I was actually thinking about writing a small program that could quickly compare checksums between locations given any 4 digits that would return another comparison code.. but then I didnt think its utility was all that useful |
| 18:32.11 | pabst | it recognizes the disks like they were individual disks |
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| 18:32.24 | peterS | nvz: "given any 4 digits"? what do you mean? |
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| 18:33.17 | peterS | pabst: is this a new install, or was your RAID array working in a previous version of linux? |
| 18:33.44 | nvz | like if you want to compare your checksum to mine you could give me any 4 digits, it would scan my checksum and return the locations of those as another small code which when entered back in should line up |
| 18:33.57 | pabst | peterS: It was working on a previous server that has died |
| 18:34.09 | nvz | seems 4 consecutive digits would be more useful.. but i figured a way it could be accurate being any 4 |
| 18:34.23 | pabst | peterS: we are trying to get the array working on a new server, no changes have been made to the array at all |
| 18:34.24 | peterS | pabst: what sort of RAID array is this? some hardware RAID card, some external RAID enclosure ... what? |
| 18:34.50 | nvz | doing quick comparisons in different locations its mildly useful to have a system of comparing large files with very few bits of data |
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| 18:35.14 | Thms | is it possible to install debian from a livecd ? |
| 18:35.21 | peterS | nvz: sounds a bit like the rsync algorithm, only not as complex/complete |
| 18:35.42 | pabst | peterS: it is an nstor 4711s and adaptec aic7xxx scsi card |
| 18:35.51 | stew | Thms: yes, /msg dpkg debootstrap |
| 18:35.58 | pabst | AIC-7899 sorry |
| 18:36.08 | nvz | peterS: yeah I figured it did much the same thing as other programs and didnt have any unique advantages so I just forgot about it :P |
| 18:36.08 | peterS | pabst: so, an external enclosure plugged into a regular scsi interface? |
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| 18:36.19 | pabst | peterS: yes |
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| 18:37.01 | peterS | pabst: then I don't know why it would suddenly present itself to the OS as separate disks. that is something that should be isolated to its end of the SCSI bus, not something the OS can control directly. so, something about the config of the RAID box itself is probably to blame |
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| 18:38.24 | pabst | peterS: when running vgscan it says it doesn't see any volumes... i am not sure how he got it to show as disks... |
| 18:38.26 | peterS | pabst: debian _should_ see the raid array as one or more /dev/sdN disks, one for each raid volume configured |
| 18:38.43 | pabst | peterS: right... we aren't getting that at all though |
| 18:38.48 | peterS | pabst: does 'cat /proc/partitions' see the raid volumes? (judging by size of each partition shown) |
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| 18:39.58 | pabst | peterS: it doesn't look like it is |
| 18:40.14 | peterS | pabst: how about /proc/scsi/scsi? |
| 18:40.21 | peterS | it should show raid volumes as disks, too |
| 18:40.52 | pabst | no.. we are only seeing the scsi card |
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| 18:41.35 | peterS | pabst: ahh - now we're getting somewhere - the aic7xxx module is loaded and seemed to see the card OK, but no devices on the bus....? |
| 18:42.04 | pabst | exactly |
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| 18:42.50 | peterS | pabst: this is where I am tempted to blame cabling or termination or some such. run 'dmesg' and look in its output for when the aic7xxx driver loaded - did it say anything interesting? |
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| 18:43.56 | lfs | Is there a problem with changing sources.list from etch to testing? |
| 18:43.57 | pabst | no, just loaded the driver |
| 18:44.05 | esters | lfs: no |
| 18:44.14 | nvz | peterS: the idea came to me to try figure out a fairly accurate way to compare checksums with the least data possible when my little brother asked me what a checksum file was the other day and how to make one.. cause a site he's putting stuff on now reqires a checksum file to accompany uploads |
| 18:44.15 | lfs | How come using testing netinstall, it put etch and not testing? |
| 18:44.15 | PerfDave | lfs: If you want to run Lenny, probably not. |
| 18:44.27 | abrotman | lfs: because they may not have updated it yet |
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| 18:44.58 | lfs | etch is the stable one now? |
| 18:45.01 | peterS | pabst: did the driver indeed see the hardware? I mean the aic-7899 chip itself |
| 18:45.06 | Ronin | lfs: yes |
| 18:45.54 | PerfDave | lfs: /topic |
| 18:46.40 | ax945b | hi, i have installed debian (arm) on a NSLU2, which really went well. i'm now trying to disable services that i'm not needing on this box (installed on USB flash stick). does somebody know a good HOWTO on doing this in a clean way (e.g. disabling cronjobs like man-db, local mail only etc) |
| 18:46.43 | pabst | yes |
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| 18:47.42 | peterS | pabst: the problem, then, is with the aic7xxx driver, the scsi chip, or the cabling. I don't know how to isolate it further, unless you can double-check the cabling/termination |
| 18:48.52 | pabst | peterS: Thanks, you at least gave me some more direction, I will check those things... if i need more help and have better troubleshooting info, I will ask! :) Appreciate your help. |
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| 18:53.01 | bzed | ax945b: for crojobs: just remove/edit the files in /etc/cron.* - for disabling/enabling services: man update-rc.d |
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| 18:54.14 | slav0nic | i update sid gtk + glib for latest version, and hase some error http://dpaste.com/9863/ when try run pyGTK application, where is problem? |
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| 18:54.56 | ustunozgur | lfs: yes |
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| 18:55.45 | abrotman | !bts |
| 18:55.45 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 18:58.45 | h3sp4wn | ax945b: I would mount using noatime - and put the most often modified parts of /var onto tmpfs |
| 18:59.06 | lfs | Isnt it better to use testing rather than etch? |
| 18:59.15 | tarzeau | lfs: no |
| 18:59.16 | lfs | generally |
| 18:59.31 | lfs | Y? |
| 18:59.49 | ustunozgur | for home use, yes IMHO |
| 18:59.59 | tarzeau | no |
| 19:00.02 | ax945b | h3sp4wn: did that (noatime) and i set lock and run to temp (there are vars for that in /etc/rcS) i also enabled auto fsck fix there because the box is headless. |
| 19:00.14 | abrotman | lfs: things break |
| 19:00.20 | PerfDave | lfs: Depends on what you want to achieve. I run stable on everything, because I can't be bothered dealing with breakages. |
| 19:00.31 | abrotman | lfs: if you want your system work more reliably .. use etch |
| 19:00.42 | h3sp4wn | lfs: If it breaks it will break for longer |
| 19:00.54 | lfs | I have been running testing on system for three years straight, only one or two breaks. |
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| 19:01.41 | lfs | ONe because the kernel didnt upgrade, but now it looks like they changed that. |
| 19:02.13 | pabst | peterS: if the arrays already exist, there is no reason that i would have to run pvcreate or anything like that? |
| 19:02.14 | tarzeau | lfs: i run sid since 5 years |
| 19:02.18 | tarzeau | or 7 |
| 19:02.35 | lfs | never tried that one. How often does that break? |
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| 19:02.52 | peterS | pabst: no, shouldn't be needed. once the "disk" (i.e., raid volume) is detected by the aic7xxx driver, 'vgscan' should pick it up |
| 19:02.58 | tarzeau | lfs: never for me |
| 19:03.19 | pabst | peterS: thanks |
| 19:03.36 | lfs | I had problems with the one after potato, upgrading, since both versions got mixed together. |
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| 19:04.14 | lfs | SInce then I have stuck to putting testing in the sources.list. |
| 19:04.27 | ax945b | testing or sid can be nasty if a package is upgraded and he config file format changes. then you suddenly need to learn new things, just beacuse jou ran apt-get upgrade ;-) |
| 19:04.43 | ax945b | s/jou/you |
| 19:05.16 | tarzeau | ax945b: that only happens w/ crap software |
| 19:05.24 | tarzeau | ax945b: like asterisk, shorewall and xplanet |
| 19:05.25 | ax945b | like apache? ;-) |
| 19:05.31 | lfs | What was the version after potato? |
| 19:05.39 | tarzeau | lfs: 2.2? |
| 19:05.41 | xand | !potato |
| 19:05.41 | dpkg | i heard potato is Debian 2.2, released August 14th, 2000, and is no longer supported. Ask me about "potato->woody" for upgrade information. something that grows underground, or you can still get an older release of this at http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/ |
| 19:05.47 | lfs | woody |
| 19:05.47 | xand | lfs: woody |
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| 19:06.52 | lfs | I had part woody and part testing, and everything was all screwed up. |
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| 19:08.34 | stinovlas | i got one question.. is etch stable already, or it is still testing? |
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| 19:08.41 | stew | stinovlas: /topic |
| 19:08.50 | lfs | stable, we just went over that onne. |
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| 19:09.23 | stinovlas | great.. :) maybe I will install it again :) |
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| 19:12.51 | LucianSolaris | HELP: can anyone explain to me why when I mount a drive as root or using sudo that I can't access it as a user? |
| 19:13.09 | PerfDave | LucianSolaris: Because you mounted it as root or using sudo. |
| 19:13.17 | stew | LucianSolaris: what filesystem is it? |
| 19:13.26 | LucianSolaris | wikipediafs |
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| 19:13.43 | LucianSolaris | perfdave i can't mount wikipediafs because fusermount throws back at me a permission denied error |
| 19:13.57 | LucianSolaris | well, i can't mount it as user |
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| 19:14.08 | LucianSolaris | but isn't / mounted by root? |
| 19:14.14 | PerfDave | LucianSolaris: So fix the permission denied error. |
| 19:14.35 | Zee1ot | hellooo |
| 19:14.36 | ax945b | maybe with the "uid=.." mount option? |
| 19:14.44 | jelly | !ati |
| 19:14.44 | dpkg | Want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz Try to avoid using ati's stuff directy unless you have to. --- I've heard the driver control panel app needs 32bit libs to compile under 64b |
| 19:14.53 | xand | wtf is "wikipediafs" |
| 19:15.06 | stew | !info wikipediafs |
| 19:15.10 | LucianSolaris | perfdave obviously, but how? i've fixed the mountpoint permissions, ax945b i've already got that in fstab, doesn't work |
| 19:15.15 | dpkg | wikipediafs: (View and edit Wikipedia articles as if they were real files), section utils, is extra. Version: 0.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 18 kB, Installed size: 156 kB |
| 19:15.35 | LucianSolaris | it WORKS, but only as all root |
| 19:15.43 | LucianSolaris | or in konqueror using kdesu |
| 19:15.54 | peterS | LucianSolaris: generated permissions of files from a virtual filesystem like wikipediafs can probably be controlled with some wikipediafs-specific mount option. check your docs |
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| 19:16.08 | LucianSolaris | did, otherwise i wouldn't be here peters |
| 19:16.31 | peterS | well, the answer will be specific to wikipediafs, so since I don't use that, I can't be of any further help |
| 19:16.52 | LucianSolaris | thanks anyway :) |
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| 19:17.05 | Zee1ot | So I have an apache2 server...and I got localhost/~zeelot to work thanks to you guys. But now I made a new user (imagebase) and when i try to go to localhost/~imagebase to view the page I get a 'Forbidden' error. Can anyone help? |
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| 19:17.39 | peterS | LucianSolaris: check the docs for mount options that look like 'mask=' or 'uid=' or 'mode=', it's likely to be something like that |
| 19:17.42 | stew | Zee1ot: check /var/log/apache2/error.log for a more specific error |
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| 19:19.10 | ax945b | LucianSolaris: check out the mount section in http://wikipediafs.sourceforge.net/mount.wikipediafs.htm |
| 19:19.17 | CharminTheMoose | I have a file with a bunch of debs i want removed. how do i get apt to read this file and remove the packages in it? |
| 19:19.39 | chops | Zee1ot: You could also su to apache and try reading files from that user's ~/public_html (or whatever) directory to make sure the filesystem permissions are ok |
| 19:20.10 | Zee1ot | stew: (13)Permission denied: /home/imagebase/public_html/.htaccess pcfg_openfile: unable to check htaccess file, ensure it is readable |
| 19:20.26 | xand | do what it says |
| 19:20.41 | Zee1ot | hmmm |
| 19:21.00 | Zee1ot | but I dont have an .htaccess file.. |
| 19:21.14 | ax945b | Zee1ot: do all the directories along the path have the "x" flag, and the fire is readle for user www-data? |
| 19:21.55 | ax945b | substitute the words with typos with something that matches ;-) |
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| 19:22.40 | nvz | s/fire is readle/file is readable/ |
| 19:22.50 | ax945b | :-) |
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| 19:23.41 | nvz | and to think of all the error detecting/correcting code that went into play delivering that message |
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| 19:25.27 | Arnald | are these people on drugs? http://java-gnome.sourceforge.net/4.0/get/debian.php |
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| 19:25.59 | itrebal | yes |
| 19:26.19 | nvz | heh |
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| 19:27.02 | N`Kr1pt | a question: my macbook runs debian sid, and everythig works great, but when the laptop is on battery power, it goes into suspend after a little while of inactivity, even though in power management I set everything to: do nothing, never, never, etc... any idea? |
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| 19:28.53 | abrotman | steve jobs knows better than you ? |
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| 19:29.19 | regulate_ | lower level acpi settings? |
| 19:29.21 | N`Kr1pt | probably ^^ |
| 19:29.52 | regulate_ | if your mac was a pc it would be the bios settings... |
| 19:30.16 | yetifoot | hi, i'm looking for the way 'dhcpcd' start up on an etch box, i am grepping in /etc/ but can't find it. Someone told me to add -R to it, to stop it adding the router IP in resolv.conf ? |
| 19:30.29 | N`Kr1pt | actually a mac is a pc nowadays |
| 19:30.35 | N`Kr1pt | but bios is efi |
| 19:30.41 | tarzeau | yetifoot: dhcp3-server ? |
| 19:30.45 | tarzeau | yetifoot: in /etc/init.d/ |
| 19:31.17 | tarzeau | amiga > mac |
| 19:31.18 | stew | yetifoot: is dhcpcd even installed? (it wouldn't be by default, you'd have dhcp-server or dhcp3-server) |
| 19:31.23 | yetifoot | i don't have that script in /etc/init.d i was looking there too |
| 19:31.34 | stew | err |
| 19:31.38 | peterS | stew: eh, that's a _client_ |
| 19:31.42 | stew | dhcp-client / dhcp3-client |
| 19:31.47 | stew | yeah |
| 19:31.55 | yetifoot | stew, i don't think it is installed, i don't have those either in my etc/init.d |
| 19:32.07 | tarzeau | FUCKING DAMOG messing w/ my bugs again |
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| 19:32.47 | stew | yetifoot: dhclient would be run by ifup which would be run from /etc/init.d/networking |
| 19:33.08 | bushblows | I can safly uncheck all kernel hacking options in make menuconfig correct? |
| 19:33.38 | nvz | tarzeau: the intellivision with ECS.. now there's a REAL computer :P |
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| 19:34.48 | yetifoot | stew, ok i have ifupdown, but that doesn't mention dhclient, neither does networking |
| 19:35.08 | N`Kr1pt | a computer is not a real computer until it runs microsoft windows ^^ |
| 19:35.25 | peterS | N`Kr1pt: so you're saying the thing I'm IRCing from isn't a computer? |
| 19:35.35 | peterS | it has never run Windows |
| 19:35.41 | N`Kr1pt | i was being sarcastic :p |
| 19:35.51 | N`Kr1pt | my computers neither |
| 19:36.02 | peterS | I mean, it _could_ run Windows, but that would require its owner (me) wanting to buy a copy |
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| 19:36.08 | sinizzl | hi there |
| 19:36.15 | gpm | buy? |
| 19:36.16 | stew | yetifoot: afaik, it is run by /sbin/ifup |
| 19:36.22 | yetifoot | heh, right now, i wish i had windows, but in about 10 minutes when this problems solved, i'll forget all about that and say my hail marys |
| 19:36.29 | stew | yetifoot: what exactly are you trying to change? |
| 19:36.30 | peterS | gpm: I don't already have a copy, so yeah |
| 19:36.52 | peterS | gpm: unless you count windows 95. I guess I have one copy of that, which came with a previous computer I bought secondhand |
| 19:36.59 | gpm | now you're talking |
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| 19:37.15 | N`Kr1pt | windows is so expensive, it costs like 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 euros |
| 19:37.24 | yetifoot | stew, what happened was my resolv.conf had the router address in there, so DNS lookups where really slow, it looked like it had be auto added from the router, so someone told me to add -R to the dhcpcd startup to stop it reinserting it |
| 19:37.26 | ma3x | is there a way to edit a binary file (module .ko) and then save it without corrupting it? |
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| 19:37.40 | tarzeau | ma3x: forget it |
| 19:37.42 | chops | ma3x: No |
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| 19:37.46 | peterS | ma3x: there are several hex editors in Debian. what would you want to edit in it though? |
| 19:37.51 | ma3x | haha |
| 19:37.53 | tarzeau | ma3x: if it was module.bas maybe |
| 19:37.55 | stew | yetifoot: man dhclient.conf |
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| 19:38.05 | gonzoism | i need update-rc.d |
| 19:38.08 | ma3x | wanted to edit sis900.ko :p |
| 19:38.13 | sinizzl | hi there |
| 19:38.17 | peterS | ma3x: if this is about adding PCI IDs to a PCI driver, you can do that from the /sys filesystem after the module is loaded |
| 19:38.30 | gonzoism | can someone help me ? |
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| 19:38.35 | gonzoism | i can't find it in the packages |
| 19:38.43 | ma3x | peterS, nah just wanna take out some warnings that are flooding my dmesg |
| 19:38.53 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 19:39.04 | sinizzl | i finally managed to get a cvs version of hostapd working (with my rt2x00 card) when i run it, it shows me this: http://rafb.net/p/UKfeRl10.html <- tihs should be looking quite nice i suppose, yet still i dont see anything when looking for available wlans in teh vicinity..... |
| 19:39.06 | xand | gonzoism: I should think it's already installed |
| 19:39.11 | HardDisk_WP | in the ATA specification there is a command to spin down the harddrive |
| 19:39.16 | ma3x | tarzeau, you still play nethack? |
| 19:39.21 | gonzoism | xand i removed it |
| 19:39.24 | HardDisk_WP | and its used for example by energy savers |
| 19:39.26 | tarzeau | ma3x: sure, wanna watch? |
| 19:39.27 | xand | gonzoism: how? |
| 19:39.34 | HardDisk_WP | can I manually send that command to a harddisk?? |
| 19:39.39 | gonzoism | xand with apt |
| 19:39.41 | peterS | HardDisk_WP: 'hdparm' has a command for that |
| 19:39.46 | xand | gonzoism: well the package is sysv-rc |
| 19:39.46 | ma3x | tarzeau, haha man you're funny! I couldn't play that game, it would take me months to understand it |
| 19:39.53 | gonzoism | xand yeah |
| 19:39.54 | ma3x | tarzeau, why not play something more graphical like nexuiz? |
| 19:39.55 | nvz | tarzeau: whopping 1mhz General Instruments CP1610 and with the ECS you not only had a whopping 4k of ram, but an additional GI AY-3-8914 sound chip.. and you know what that means! 6 channels! not that it really meant anything to the sound cause the sound chip doubled as an input controller :P |
| 19:39.59 | xand | gonzoism: install it? |
| 19:40.00 | gonzoism | but i can only find the source |
| 19:40.02 | tarzeau | ma3x: it's very intuitive keyboard control |
| 19:40.07 | gonzoism | and i don't have lib-essential |
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| 19:40.18 | ma3x | tarzeau, maybe you should write a howto ? |
| 19:40.19 | peterS | HardDisk_WP: hdparm -y, hdparm -Y, etc. |
| 19:40.19 | tarzeau | ma3x: i play www.mtp-target.org and bub-n-bros.sf.net graphical enough? |
| 19:40.21 | gonzoism | xand update-rc.d is required to install packages |
| 19:40.22 | HardDisk_WP | peterS, thx |
| 19:40.26 | gonzoism | xand :) |
| 19:40.27 | yetifoot | stew, thanks, thats a bit heavy for me, i was hoping this would all be a bit more plug and play.... i'll wait and see if i have a problem first, thanks anyway |
| 19:40.29 | ma3x | tarzeau, let me check those gamez |
| 19:40.30 | tarzeau | ma3x: telnet 80.219.79.221 27015 |
| 19:40.32 | xand | gonzoism: why did you uninstall it? |
| 19:40.36 | ma3x | tarzeau, 3d shooter? |
| 19:40.40 | yetifoot | nexuiz is nice, but gets a bit boring |
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| 19:40.41 | tarzeau | ma3x: check www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/ there was a nethack course on irc |
| 19:40.52 | xand | gonzoism: copy it from another machine maybe |
| 19:40.53 | tarzeau | ma3x: nah, i don't like 3d shooters, except cs |
| 19:40.54 | N`Kr1pt | i tried killall acpid, let's see what it gives |
| 19:41.05 | yetifoot | i like the servers that just have the nex, and the grapple hook |
| 19:41.06 | gonzoism | xand do you have it ? |
| 19:41.16 | gonzoism | xand can i have yours ? |
| 19:41.17 | ma3x | tarzeau, counter strike? |
| 19:41.22 | gonzoism | xand i think it is in /sbin/ |
| 19:41.30 | tarzeau | ma3x: yeah, but thats 5 years back |
| 19:41.40 | ma3x | tarzeau, is there a way to install it on linux? |
| 19:41.43 | tarzeau | ma3x: i've quit demoscene/windows/dos like 10 years ago |
| 19:41.46 | tarzeau | ma3x: no forget it |
| 19:42.09 | xand | gonzoism: what arch? |
| 19:42.13 | gonzoism | xand x86 |
| 19:42.17 | ma3x | tarzeau, any 3d shooter games you would recommend for linux? something like nexuiz? |
| 19:42.28 | xand | gonzoism: can't you extract .debs without installing them |
| 19:42.31 | gonzoism | xand its lamppix, a knoppix hybrid |
| 19:42.47 | tarzeau | ma3x: supertransball2 is a shooter, cavern flying thing, 2d though |
| 19:42.49 | gonzoism | xand doesn't the 'ar' command extract them ? |
| 19:42.54 | xand | gonzoism: umm, well it might be different maybe, and you should ask in the right channel :P |
| 19:43.08 | ma3x | tarzeau, why there are no other 3d shooter games except nexuiz? |
| 19:43.17 | yetifoot | ma3x, i like tremulous too, and theres a few other |
| 19:43.17 | Ragnaroek | out of interest |
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| 19:43.37 | tarzeau | ma3x: i don't know of any |
| 19:43.48 | ma3x | yetifoot, 3d shooter? |
| 19:44.00 | yetifoot | wikipedia have got a big list of linux compatible 3d shooters |
| 19:44.13 | gonzoism | xand can i have yours anyways ? i'll chance it |
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| 19:44.17 | ma3x | yetifoot, but they're not packaged for debian ? |
| 19:44.27 | xand | gonzoism: umm how |
| 19:44.39 | yetifoot | ma3x, yes tremulous is a FPS, but with a small hint of RTS, i thiknk its in contrib, due to non free graphics or something |
| 19:45.03 | gonzoism | xand if you have apache running you can stick it on it, or you can email it |
| 19:45.18 | xand | well i could |
| 19:45.18 | gonzoism | xand or scp or anything |
| 19:45.35 | yetifoot | ma3x, i didn't find any others but nexuiz, and tremulous in debian repos, i like bzflag too, thats really crappy 3d, but great gameplay |
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| 19:45.54 | ma3x | haha bzflag that thank crap |
| 19:45.57 | ma3x | tank |
| 19:45.59 | yetifoot | yeah |
| 19:46.09 | yetifoot | i like it, i don't mind the crappy graphics... |
| 19:46.29 | epsilon | what kind of CPU should I have to use etch's crypto installation? I'm currently installing etch on a 1GHz box and it takes ages |
| 19:46.30 | iwkse | hi all, i have a problem trying to reproduce the char { in the console (no X) it doesnt work. i use the combination shift+ctrl+è cause my keyboard sucks |
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| 19:46.51 | marsje_x | don't ask me how I did it, but my /boot seems awfully empty... panic? |
| 19:46.53 | yetifoot | i come from a time when it was all about gameplay, and those were also the days when you died in the first 20 seconds, or died on level 10 and had to restart the whole game |
| 19:46.56 | h3sp4wn | epsilon: would work great with a via |
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| 19:47.10 | h3sp4wn | epsilon: (even at 1GHz) |
| 19:47.25 | epsilon | is there any factor how slow a crypto system is in compare to non-encrypted installation? |
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| 19:48.22 | tarzeau | ma3x: i found a magic lamp (gives me a wish)! |
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| 19:48.43 | gonzoism | xand will you help me ? |
| 19:48.47 | dkr | epsilon: I tried both and the difference in speed was unnoticeable to me |
| 19:49.07 | dkr | epsilon: aside from the pause at boot time for me to entire passphrase for encrypted partition, :) |
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| 19:49.14 | ma3x | tarzeau, what do you wish? |
| 19:49.15 | dkr | enter |
| 19:49.27 | epsilon | dkr: and the speed on filesystem? (copy/store large files) |
| 19:49.38 | yetifoot | tarzeau, order me a wand of wishing and a pet mind flayer |
| 19:49.41 | tarzeau | ma3x: need to bless the lamp first, probably a blessed +2 silver dragon scale mail |
| 19:49.45 | ma3x | tarzeau, how's your girlfriend? got well together ? |
| 19:49.56 | tarzeau | ma3x: hahaha, don't ask |
| 19:50.03 | ma3x | tarzeau, why what happened |
| 19:50.10 | ma3x | tarzeau, something dramatic? |
| 19:50.19 | dkr | epsilon: as i said, unnoticeable. I think it's because the cpu time to encrypt the data is quite small in comparison to the time to write the data to disk |
| 19:50.22 | tarzeau | ma3x: better don't ask |
| 19:50.27 | xand | gonzoism: see PM |
| 19:50.28 | Azar | gamers, dependencies conflict with girlfriends |
| 19:50.31 | ma3x | tarzeau, come on, im curious |
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| 19:50.48 | tarzeau | ma3x: come on, i was in such a good mood |
| 19:50.50 | Azar | ma3x: guess I summed it up |
| 19:50.50 | ma3x | tarzeau, thus I'd be able to have an opinion of swiss girls |
| 19:51.13 | dexomsrc | Do the remaining non-GPLed portions of Sun's Java VM prevent it from moving to main? |
| 19:51.16 | ma3x | tarzeau, split? |
| 19:51.22 | tarzeau | ma3x: fortunately |
| 19:51.29 | Azar | :) |
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| 19:51.40 | tarzeau | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:51.48 | dexomsrc | Or is it possible to move all the GPLed portions to main and keep the small amount of remaining proprietary plugins in non-free until suitable GPL replacements are coded? |
| 19:52.02 | tarzeau | In a cloud of smoke, a djinni emerges! The djinni speaks.--More-- "I am in your debt. I will grant one wish!"--More-- |
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| 19:52.08 | ma3x | tarzeau, you got over it? or still hurts ? :p |
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| 19:52.18 | tarzeau | ma3x: i'm so glad |
| 19:52.19 | h3sp4wn | dexomsrc: things in main cannot depends on things in non-free to function |
| 19:52.23 | hark | dexomsrc: nope |
| 19:52.25 | marsje_x | HELP! I was copying /boot to a new disk and now /boot only contains lost+found... what did I do??? |
| 19:52.32 | hark | dexomsrc: contrib maybe |
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| 19:52.47 | stew | dexomsrc: the license which sun's java currently is distributed under does not allow distributing it in parts or mixing the jre with other class library implementations |
| 19:52.49 | ma3x | tarzeau, what about? |
| 19:53.02 | kombi | when the output of a thing like pstree appears all garbled on a newly installed box, what might be wrong? |
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| 19:53.39 | tarzeau | ma3x: we split |
| 19:53.39 | kijjaz | i'm on Debian Testing. how do i have alsa detecting and loading driver for a USB audio interface automatically? |
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| 19:53.58 | kombi | it looks like this: aaapache2aaa9*[apache2].. weired.. |
| 19:54.37 | tarzeau | You see here a lamp called magic. |
| 19:54.40 | tarzeau | haha another! |
| 19:55.44 | ma3x | tarzeau, can I record the game? the moves.... ? |
| 19:55.44 | tarzeau | ma3x: not really no |
| 19:55.44 | ma3x | you play so fast |
| 19:55.44 | wintix | kijjaz: try alsaconf. or just read the documentation :) |
| 19:55.44 | kombi | or like that: aasshdaaasshdaaasshdaaashaaasuaaabashaaapstree.. weired indeed |
| 19:55.44 | tarzeau | ma3x: i can play slower sorry |
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| 19:55.45 | kijjaz | wintix: thanks. i'll try to work on it again. |
| 19:55.52 | DawnLight | i've used pppoeconf to configure my adsl dial-up and i answered yes to dialing on boot. where is that dialing on boot file that it was written to? i want to delete it! |
| 19:55.57 | kombi | what determines the charset on command line? |
| 19:56.38 | wintix | DawnLight: probably somewhere in /etc ? maybe read man pppoeconf |
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| 19:57.05 | kombi | or what sets the way that things like dashes are displayed? |
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| 19:57.27 | wintix | kijjaz: /msg dpkg locales |
| 19:57.34 | wintix | err.. kombi. |
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| 19:58.13 | kombi | wintix: what's the command again? setlocale? dpkg-reconfigure locales.. that might be it.. |
| 19:58.50 | wintix | kombi: the bot told you. |
| 19:58.51 | misreckoning | is there any updated Xgl + compiz tutorial for debian etch? |
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| 19:59.28 | misreckoning | (ATi card here, other ways I would use AIGLX) |
| 19:59.32 | wintix | misreckoning: /msg dpkg beryl |
| 19:59.49 | kombi | wintix: bot didn't speak to me there, but I get it done |
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| 20:00.08 | wintix | !tell kombi about locales |
| 20:00.09 | wintix | :) |
| 20:00.10 | misreckoning | wintix: mmm - beryl :) ty! |
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| 20:01.00 | kombi | wintix: worked this time, did dpkg-reconfigure again but I'll rather drill into config files now |
| 20:01.11 | misreckoning | wintix: sorry pal but that is for aiglx, not xgl :P |
| 20:01.28 | wintix | misreckoning: there is a howto for xgl as well. if not, ask #beryl |
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| 20:02.14 | misreckoning | ok |
| 20:02.16 | stew | misreckoning: why do you want to use aiglx and not xgl? |
| 20:02.23 | stew | err |
| 20:02.31 | misreckoning | stew: aiglx isn't working with fglrx drivers |
| 20:02.32 | stew | eother way around, why do you want xgl instead of aiglx |
| 20:02.41 | stew | misreckoning: and your card isn't supported by a free driver? |
| 20:02.56 | misreckoning | stew: I think so, but I'm not sure - xpress 1100 |
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| 20:03.20 | misreckoning | motherboard, no memory, laptop |
| 20:04.07 | Madsy | Does xorg dump a log somewhere? It fails to deploy a framebuffer, yet runs in an endless loop. |
| 20:04.35 | wintix | misreckoning: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 20:04.43 | wintix | Madsy: ^^ |
| 20:04.55 | wintix | not misreckoning. damn tab completion. |
| 20:05.02 | misreckoning | wintix: yeah obviously ;) |
| 20:05.16 | Madsy | Thanks :) |
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| 20:06.05 | D_STAR | hi i wonder how to install nvidia drivers. can some one help me with that? |
| 20:06.18 | wintix | !tell D_STAR about nvidia one-liner |
| 20:06.18 | irule | where can I find a sarge cdrom No. 1? thanks |
| 20:06.38 | D_STAR | wintix:??? |
| 20:06.46 | wintix | D_STAR: read what the bot told you. |
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| 20:07.04 | ctx144k__ | hello all |
| 20:07.15 | Saar | hey |
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| 20:07.40 | misreckoning | stew: I checked on beryl, my card isn't supported |
| 20:07.41 | Saar | anyonerecommend a package to create a raid or connect severalhardisks intoone largeone? |
| 20:07.51 | misreckoning | anyway AMD will probably open their drivers ;) |
| 20:07.54 | Saar | ugh my space got stuck ;-) |
| 20:07.56 | nvz | Saar: lvm |
| 20:08.05 | Saar | ok thanks nvz |
| 20:08.19 | wintix | Saar: for a raid: mdadm |
| 20:08.20 | stew | misreckoning: i doubt they would be able to if they wanted to |
| 20:08.47 | ctx144k__ | i created the follow php-file under win32: http://rafb.net/p/5azGdI41.html - when i execute that via php -f file.php under debian-etch i get wrong characters... is there a way to get the right characters? |
| 20:08.47 | hark | and they don't want to |
| 20:09.07 | Azar | hehe like dell that was ordered to get with the program and sell suse if they want to sell buntu laptops |
| 20:09.08 | hark | irule: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 20:09.13 | D_STAR | O_o can it be easier explained?? |
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| 20:09.17 | nvz | Saar: raid and lvm are completly different things raid is generally to either improve speed or insure integrity.. lvm is just a means of logically combining volumes and being able to resize them easily |
| 20:09.19 | Saar | wintix: it is 3 satahds which are not in a hardwareraid, but Iwould want to merge them into one big hd |
| 20:09.36 | ctx144k__ | i hope there is another way then changing the complete distribution from utf8 to iso8859-15 |
| 20:09.38 | Saar | i guess lvm is the thing i need |
| 20:09.50 | misreckoning | stew: well at least they will support AIGLX soon ;) |
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| 20:09.54 | wintix | Saar: get lvm if you don't want or need data security and get a raid if you care about the data. |
| 20:10.09 | chops | ctx144k__: iconv |
| 20:10.19 | Saar | its a backup machine of a backup machine, thelatter hasa raid so it'll beallright |
| 20:10.34 | Saar | thanks |
| 20:10.35 | ctx144k__ | yes, but then i must call iconv at every update, issent it? |
| 20:10.35 | nvz | wintix: your understanding of raid is apparently less than mine. raid isnt about security at all.. its about integrity or performance depending on the type of raid used |
| 20:10.47 | chops | ctx144k__: iconv your PHP source files into your system's encoding |
| 20:11.11 | wintix | nvz: it's about not loosing all the data if one or more disks fail (at least the raids normal people use) |
| 20:11.18 | ctx144k__ | i develop under a mashine with another encoding (iso8859-15) |
| 20:11.22 | chops | ctx144k__: There's not an easy way I know of to deal with files that are not in the system encoding |
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| 20:11.57 | chops | ctx144k__: Adopt a file-transfer mechanism that knows the system encodings of the two systems, and translates appropriately? |
| 20:11.59 | dountby_ | has anyone an idea why racoon replayes my config file (/etc/racoon/racoon.conf) with a nearly empty default-config at startup (and deletes mine, obviously)? |
| 20:12.21 | dountby_ | (ubuntu not debian, but i dont know who to ask else) |
| 20:12.26 | wintix | nvz: !ubuntu |
| 20:12.30 | wintix | !ubuntu |
| 20:12.30 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 20:12.39 | nvz | wintix: thats data integrity not security. and normal people think carefully about such things.. raids are usually built not only to protect data integrity against failures, but also to improve performance which is usually lost to the seek speed of a particular drive |
| 20:12.42 | wintix | nvz: sorry. wanted to write something and got lost ;) |
| 20:12.48 | nvz | heh |
| 20:13.03 | itchi | How can i create an iso file? |
| 20:13.08 | dountby_ | but they cant halp me :-/ |
| 20:13.25 | wintix | nvz: no argument there. maybe i just wasn't able to make my point. |
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| 20:13.54 | ctx144k__ | the problem is, the developer has maschiens in iso8859-15. and hes very conservativ. so he dont want change to utf8. but ok thnx for your answers, ill look at google |
| 20:14.03 | chops | ctx144k__: Or teach your Windows machine to deal with files in the "foreign" UTF-8 encoding, if you find it unacceptable that Debian can't handle files in a "foreign" ISO8859-15 encoding :-) |
| 20:14.35 | ctx144k__ | perhaps theres no other way to change from utf8->iso8859 |
| 20:14.37 | D_STAR | can some one help me with the nvidia drivers? idon't understand the bot :S |
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| 20:14.59 | chops | ctx144k__: There's an easy way to change: iconv |
| 20:15.15 | nvz | wintix: probably.. I have zero carnal knowledge of RAID I've never tried it. but I have tried LVM and I ended up deciding to go back to the clusterfuck I have now because seemed too complicated to actually change things around when I needed to. though LVM is pretty straight forward the whole growing and shrinking of filesystems isnt that easy of a task |
| 20:16.00 | chops | ctx144k__: Keeping files around in a non-system encoding is asking for trouble, though. You might be able to reset $LANG right before calling php, or otherwise hack PHP into handling them properly, but I think you'll be happier if you adopt an encoding-aware file transfer mechanism for exchanging files with the Windows machine. |
| 20:16.14 | sepski | nvz, growing is very easy. shrinking is not so easy since it require you to unmount the filesystem |
| 20:16.20 | ctx144k__ | i dont think so... cause he crypted/compressed his phpsource with zend |
| 20:16.28 | ctx144k__ | its a little bit complicated |
| 20:16.50 | chops | ctx144k__: Does resetting $LANG right before running the php scripts solve the problem? |
| 20:17.14 | ctx144k__ | how can i do that? |
| 20:17.14 | nvz | sepski: Idk.. I got a situation on my hands where lvm could help.. my drive is full and I've got others laying around with nothing on them.. heh. the whole thing just confuses me its all foreign to me. |
| 20:17.18 | chops | ctx144k__: You must also have the iso8859-15 encoding configured via "dpkg-reconfigure locales" |
| 20:17.42 | ctx144k__ | ah ok... but it change the complete encoding in etch, issent it? |
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| 20:17.56 | chops | ctx144k__: No, only wherever that environment variable is defined |
| 20:18.06 | wintix | nvz: /msg dpkg lvm |
| 20:18.12 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:18.15 | chops | ctx144k__: Which means access to files in UTF-8 encoding will be broken, but access to the PHP files will work as expected |
| 20:18.21 | chops | ctx144k__: See my earlier comments :-) |
| 20:18.23 | gAri- | hi there, I use etch, when I try to run screen as a non-root user I get this error: Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/0' - please check., I have no clue how to fix this, anybody has an idea? |
| 20:18.32 | sepski | nvz, worth a shot :) |
| 20:18.59 | chops | ctx144k__: You can set up multiple locales via "dpkg-reconfigure locales"; which one is active at any given time will be determined by the $LANG environment variable |
| 20:19.19 | ctx144k__ | ill look for it, one moment |
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| 20:19.44 | r0otz | anyone know why its telling me this |
| 20:19.46 | r0otz | alien@coban:~/teamspeak/tss2_rc2$ sudo cp httpdocs /home/alien/public_html |
| 20:19.46 | r0otz | cp: omitting directory `httpdocs' |
| 20:19.56 | nvz | I just quit using it cause my thought process when creating the lvm which I did from the ease of D-I's partitioner.. was way too idealistic of a vision.. I had everything on seperate LVM partitions and as I began to need to reallocate space from one to another I couldnt visualize how the hell I could do it with the system running.. not to mention since i used D-I I had no real understanding of the utilities themselves |
| 20:20.09 | h3sp4wn | r0otz: you need to use -r (optionally -rv) |
| 20:20.18 | h3sp4wn | r0otz: man cp |
| 20:20.26 | r0otz | ok |
| 20:20.27 | norbert_ | hi all, I'm dist-upgrading to unstable right now (since I want to use kdenlive), any hints or things I should be aware of (other than praying to Linus)? |
| 20:20.59 | stew | norbert_: why not just backport kdenlive? |
| 20:21.18 | norbert_ | I've tried everything for days and I've given up, I'm dist-upgrading |
| 20:21.29 | abrotman | that's the way! |
| 20:21.38 | stew | norbert_: you tried backporting it? |
| 20:21.44 | ole | any clues why a script (which works by the way, I tested it) does not execute, or it does without generating any result when place in /etc/cron.hourly ? |
| 20:21.54 | ole | I checked chmod 755 btw |
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| 20:22.09 | stew | ole: what is the name of the script? is it compliant with "man run-parts"? |
| 20:22.14 | ole | hum |
| 20:22.16 | ole | name.sh |
| 20:22.22 | abrotman | no . allowed |
| 20:22.22 | norbert_ | well, I compiled more things from source than I've ever done; tried every debian package I could find, spammed the kdenlive.org forum... right now, I'm dist-upgrading, no more backporting for me ;-) |
| 20:22.30 | stew | ole: right, it needs to be run-parts compliant, which means no '.' |
| 20:22.37 | ole | oki, I knew it had to be something like that I was missing |
| 20:22.47 | ole | thanks |
| 20:22.53 | stew | norbert_: have you tried backporting it? |
| 20:23.10 | norbert_ | stew: no, I have not |
| 20:23.20 | stew | norbert_: why not? /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 20:23.22 | norbert_ | it's nice, I'll remember that for the future |
| 20:23.29 | norbert_ | too late now anyways |
| 20:23.42 | stew | norbert_: why is it too late? |
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| 20:23.56 | norbert_ | because the dist-upgrade is at 7% and I'm not going to stop it |
| 20:24.16 | norbert_ | if I have to, I'll reinstall debian entirely, I just want kdenlive to work; that's all I need right now |
| 20:24.32 | norbert_ | if the dist-upgrade won't work, I'll try to reinstall stable or testing and backport |
| 20:25.36 | abrotman | !info kdenlive |
| 20:25.46 | abrotman | eh .. it's not in sid |
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| 20:27.24 | stew | hah |
| 20:27.24 | stew | yeah, its not in debian at all |
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| 20:27.27 | hark | marillat's repo |
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| 20:27.57 | stew | norbert_: did you try installing it from debian-multimedia? |
| 20:28.07 | r0otz | stew: is there a way to give access to particuar ports? or soemthing |
| 20:28.10 | stew | norbert_: do you realize that kdenlive is not in debian? |
| 20:28.10 | r0otz | stew: like port 123 |
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| 20:28.17 | kijjaz | (i'm on Debian Testing) now alsa has detected my on-board soundcard correctly, but not automatically with this USB Audio Interface. what should i do now? |
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| 20:28.25 | D_STAR | can some one tell me how to install nvidia drivers??? and i don't understand the bot :( |
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| 20:28.44 | jair | hello guys, I am using gnome and I can't add the stupid status bar, where is the option to add it again |
| 20:28.49 | stew | r0otz: root is the only one with access to ports <= 1024, use sudo to selectively give root access |
| 20:29.00 | jair | I guess I need to ask in a channel for gnome? |
| 20:29.10 | norbert_ | stew: yes, I am installing it from debian-multimedia, but that unstable thing there relies on unstable things from debian |
| 20:29.24 | stew | norbert_: why not install it from debian-multimedia's etch repository? |
| 20:29.30 | hark | jair: status bar? |
| 20:29.34 | itchi | wazaaaaa, i'm finaly burning my DVD in the cli, wooohooo |
| 20:29.37 | norbert_ | stew: because that's broken |
| 20:29.42 | itchi | I just hope that the result will work hehe |
| 20:29.48 | r0otz | ok |
| 20:29.57 | stew | norbert_: how so? |
| 20:29.58 | jair | hark: yes like where i can minimize and restore the windows and applications I am working on |
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| 20:30.09 | jair | hark: I delete the pannel accidently |
| 20:30.12 | norbert_ | stew: ffmpeg is broken when compiled with certain configure things, which in turn breaks mlt things on which kdenlive relies |
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| 20:30.31 | stew | norbert_: how is upgrading to unstable going to change anything? |
| 20:30.36 | stew | norbert_: why not recompile ffmpeg then? |
| 20:30.36 | hark | jair: oh, both the panels or just the applet? |
| 20:30.44 | jair | the applet |
| 20:30.50 | jair | hark: the one in the botton |
| 20:30.52 | itchi | nvz: In cli i got also that input/output error. With growisofs he need the param -allow-limited-siz and then it work |
| 20:31.00 | norbert_ | stew: I tried compiling ffmpeg; it's going to change things because 0.5 is in there, instead of 0.4 |
| 20:31.01 | stoned | nvz: sup |
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| 20:31.11 | jair | the one that hold the minimized applications and windows |
| 20:31.20 | hark | jair: then just right click the panel and add the window list applet |
| 20:31.59 | stew | norbert_: no, its 0.4 not 0.5 |
| 20:32.05 | jair | hark: the "window list applet" |
| 20:32.08 | jair | ??? |
| 20:32.11 | jair | I am checking |
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| 20:33.08 | nvz | stoned: nothing about to make some lunch and read a book |
| 20:33.10 | norbert_ | stew: 0.5 I'll get from cvs |
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| 20:33.17 | stoned | nvz: you wanna buy my pc? |
| 20:33.21 | hark | jair: right click and choose "Add to panel" or something similar |
| 20:33.26 | stoned | nvz: :D |
| 20:33.31 | norbert_ | stew: it's the stuff 0.5pre relies on that's in unstable of multimedia which in turn needs debian unstable |
| 20:33.35 | shadowarts | is there anyreason why gpg is suid root by default? |
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| 20:34.08 | jair | hark: I do not have that option my friend |
| 20:34.17 | jair | hark: are you using gnome on debian? |
| 20:34.27 | jair | hark: you will have to try and check |
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| 20:34.42 | jair | right click where? |
| 20:34.51 | jair | hark: where I will do teh right click? |
| 20:34.57 | nvz | stoned: hah yeah right.. what the hell would I need a computer for.. I don't really do squat with the one i got. |
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| 20:35.00 | hark | jair: not right now, but i kow how it's done :) |
| 20:35.04 | stew | shadowarts: so it can set up a protected memory region |
| 20:35.11 | hark | jair: the gnome panel |
| 20:35.17 | Thorrn4 | hello, I was wonderin, is there a way to download lame using apt-get? I searched for it and its not there |
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| 20:35.28 | stoned | nvz: hehe |
| 20:35.31 | sepski | !lame |
| 20:35.31 | dpkg | lame is probably Binary packages available from <debian-multimedia> or <rarewares>. Upstream sources, with build instructions for Debian at http://www.mp3dev.org/ or http://lame.sourceforge.net/ -- Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder. |
| 20:35.40 | nvz | stoned: I'm loosing interest in technology.. one of these day's I'm just gonna take off into the woods and never come back |
| 20:35.48 | sepski | Thorrn4, use debian-multimedia |
| 20:35.48 | shadowarts | stew, does it require being able to do that? |
| 20:35.51 | stew | Thorrn4: debian cannot distribute lame becuase they can't ensure that you pay for a license for it if you are required to |
| 20:35.53 | stoned | nvz: me too |
| 20:36.16 | stew | shadowarts: no, but it makes it safer |
| 20:36.20 | jair | hark: I got it |
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| 20:36.29 | uptownben | Hi All. I had an APT configuration problem and it downladed some packages that it cant install.. Now everytime I use apt to install something else I see a bunch of errors regarding the not correctly install, or not yet installed packages.. how can I remove them so apt wont complain anymore? |
| 20:36.32 | jair | hark: it is called "window list" |
| 20:36.38 | shadowarts | i see |
| 20:36.39 | itchi | nvz: Gona we go right now? :-) |
| 20:36.39 | shadowarts | thanks |
| 20:36.50 | humbolto | are LVM partitions autodetectable? Lets say I have a portable HDD and setup a VG with only this physical volume on it. Then I setup some logical volumes in this VG. When I move the drive to another machine, can I detect and activate the volumes again? |
| 20:36.58 | hark | jair: right, as i said earlier :) |
| 20:37.00 | D_STAR | how to install .deb files? |
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| 20:37.08 | stoned | dpkg -i |
| 20:37.08 | h3sp4wn | D_STAR: dpkg -i |
| 20:37.09 | stoned | man dpkg |
| 20:37.17 | jair | hark: Thank you very much |
| 20:37.17 | D_STAR | k thx |
| 20:37.19 | stoned | !package basics |
| 20:37.19 | dpkg | it has been said that package basics is The Basics of the Package Management System, Package format, and how to make packages. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html, or see Debian New Maintainers' Guide at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 20:37.22 | itchi | D_STAR: You need the debian reference and manual. See /msg dpkg grounding |
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| 20:38.00 | D_STAR | ok thx |
| 20:38.02 | yos874 | somebody know any software like windows nokia pc suite to manage you mobile phone for debian? |
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| 20:38.25 | h3sp4wn | yos874: gammu |
| 20:38.34 | itchi | yos874: Do a search about nokia ;-) |
| 20:38.34 | NoWayMan_NotMe | Which packages contains the headers that have the functions "strcmp" and "ctime". I thought they would have been strings.h and time.h but the ones on my system don't have the the functions declarations in them =\ |
| 20:38.53 | yos874 | itchi: i did before visiting the channel |
| 20:38.54 | tarzeau | NoWayMan_NotMe: string.h |
| 20:38.56 | itchi | yos874: I meaned an apt-cache search nokia |
| 20:39.02 | tarzeau | NoWayMan_NotMe: and time.h |
| 20:39.05 | itchi | yos874: Gammu is in that list :-) |
| 20:39.11 | tarzeau | NoWayMan_NotMe: you know you can say man strcmp ? or man ctime? |
| 20:39.15 | yos874 | itchi: thank you |
| 20:39.20 | tarzeau | NoWayMan_NotMe: you need manpages-dev |
| 20:39.23 | NoWayMan_NotMe | tarzeau: Which package is that in? I have those files, but they don't have the declarations. |
| 20:39.35 | itchi | yos874: No worry ;-) |
| 20:39.50 | tarzeau | NoWayMan_NotMe: libc6-dev |
| 20:39.59 | yos874 | itchi: I saw it before, But it not looks like for nikia |
| 20:40.05 | Thorrn4 | sepski, would the link be "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ lenny main contrib non-free" ? |
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| 20:40.23 | uptownben | was that package basics for me? I just want to get rid of some unwanted packages that could not be install but are causing apt to complain all the time. |
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| 20:40.36 | yos874 | h3sp4wn: thank you |
| 20:40.38 | itchi | yos874: Try apt-cache show gammu ;-) |
| 20:40.51 | itchi | yos874: Dunno, depend of the model |
| 20:40.54 | sepski | Thorrn4,depends on what mirror youd like to use http://www.debian-multimedia.org/mirrors.html |
| 20:41.20 | itchi | yos874: Honesty, i not have experience with that package, i helped a bit a friend of me |
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| 20:41.22 | norbert_ | uptownben: apt-get remove <package> |
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| 20:41.40 | itchi | yos874: But look on the website to see if your model is supported |
| 20:41.41 | yos874 | itchi: yes, you are right |
| 20:42.06 | yos874 | itchi: it's only text mode? |
| 20:42.25 | itchi | yos874: I dunno, my fiends one is not yet supported :-( |
| 20:42.42 | h3sp4wn | yos874: there is wammu but its not as complete |
| 20:42.44 | itchi | yos874: Mine does, but i not yet have the cable, buahaha :-p |
| 20:43.11 | yos874 | itchi: i have extra cable here |
| 20:43.29 | Thorrn4 | sepski, it gave me some kind of key missing error: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 20:43.43 | norbert_ | time to upload a cable |
| 20:43.58 | itchi | yos874: Next time i have some spare money, i buy on just to test that app :-) |
| 20:44.05 | NoWayMan_NotMe | anybody know where I can get a debian package with a precompiled tcpdstat? |
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| 20:44.18 | uptownben | I get a message saying I have "9 not fully installed packages" then a series of dpkg dependency errors. |
| 20:44.55 | norbert_ | uptownben: try: # apt-get -f install |
| 20:44.56 | itchi | uptownben: Or better, use aptitude ;-) |
| 20:44.56 | yos874 | itchi: borrow it from friend and don't return |
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| 20:44.57 | itchi | yos874: hehe :-p |
| 20:44.57 | sepski | Thorrn4, please atlest try to look at the webpage i pasted,. it's on the faq |
| 20:44.57 | norbert_ | uptownben: or, try: # apt-get -o DPkg::Options="--force-overwrite" install <package> |
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| 20:45.28 | uptownben | I don't want to install them.. I want to cancel the incomplete install. |
| 20:45.43 | stew | uptownben: aptitude remove pacakge1 package2 package3... |
| 20:45.43 | itchi | uptownben: uninstall these then |
| 20:45.46 | norbert_ | <norbert_> uptownben: apt-get remove <package |
| 20:45.46 | hall_ | Hi I want to get a drive to mount on every boot, i have added a line to fstab but the drive does not mount details: http://pastebin.ca/477751 |
| 20:46.35 | itchi | hall_: Your mount point is wrong |
| 20:46.39 | sepski | hall_, your mount point can not be /dev/hda6 |
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| 20:46.45 | yos874 | itchi: i guess there is another software for non debian packages |
| 20:46.52 | sepski | you have basicaly /dev/hda6 twice |
| 20:47.03 | uptownben | for example one of the packages is: libxp6, it seems that the uninstalled package is a diferent version of libxp6, but I have libxp6 installed on my system.. so if I do a apt-get remove libxp6 it will remove my functional libxp6 wont it? |
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| 20:47.26 | itchi | yos874: Honesty, i dunno that much about mobile things, i not yet have try it for my own. I only have give very limited remote support for that. Heh, i gona buy that cable i feel it :-) |
| 20:47.48 | uptownben | *I meant the NOT installed package |
| 20:48.09 | yetifoot | if i remove for example avahi-demon, but theres an avahi-demon script left in /etc/init.d, can i just go ahead and rm that script? |
| 20:48.09 | hall_ | Doh oh yes... |
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| 20:48.16 | itchi | hall_: What's hdb6? Just some /mnt/data ?? |
| 20:48.18 | soulrider | hello |
| 20:48.29 | norbert_ | uptownben: if I were you, I'd make sure apt is happy again before you start removing things |
| 20:48.34 | itchi | hall_: And look the type for the fs |
| 20:48.37 | soulrider | is there any way to install debian on a machien that cant boot from the CD, has no net card and has no usb ports? |
| 20:48.43 | soulrider | it can only boot from floppy |
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| 20:48.46 | norbert_ | uptownben: that means, continuing whatever installs you had running |
| 20:48.59 | yos874 | itchi: I see |
| 20:49.02 | uptownben | norbert_:exactly, so how can I cancel those waiting package installations? |
| 20:49.06 | norbert_ | uptownben: or reconfigure or reinstall anything that apt says is broken |
| 20:49.07 | itchi | soulrider: Yes, boot of the floppy, and then continue from the cd-rom |
| 20:49.11 | igor | Hi, how can I set globally autowrap lines on nvi? |
| 20:49.22 | soulrider | itchi: theres a floppy image for download ? |
| 20:49.24 | itchi | uptownben: Or remove |
| 20:49.38 | igor | I edited /etc/vi.exrc with "set wraplen=68 |
| 20:49.44 | itchi | soulrider: Yeah, euhm, i need to look |
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| 20:49.50 | igor | but this doesn't work |
| 20:49.57 | norbert_ | uptownben: first install or reconfigure everything to make apt happy again, then tell apt to remove the packages; at least, that's what I'd do |
| 20:50.00 | itchi | !floppy |
| 20:50.00 | dpkg | i guess etch floppies is http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitute your arch for "i386". If you want lenny/testing change "etch" to "lenny". |
| 20:50.04 | igor | also simlinked the file to /etc/nvi/vi.exrc |
| 20:50.08 | Szeraax | is anyone experienced with botting over a network? |
| 20:50.10 | igor | but neither worked |
| 20:50.11 | DawnLight | how do i set locales? dpkg-reconfigure locales is not an answer and import isn't either |
| 20:50.12 | itchi | soulrider: ^ |
| 20:50.15 | tarzeau | Szeraax: yes |
| 20:50.16 | Szeraax | booting* |
| 20:50.17 | hall_ | itchi, it is a IDE drive |
| 20:50.23 | DawnLight | perhaps setlocale? |
| 20:50.34 | valdyn | DawnLight: no |
| 20:50.39 | yos874 | itchi: I think windows better on this |
| 20:50.43 | soulrider | ive never used debian before, etch is the latest version right |
| 20:50.44 | soulrider | ? |
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| 20:50.46 | valdyn | DawnLight: use dpkg-reconfigure locales to generate locales and set the default |
| 20:50.54 | norbert_ | soulrider: the latest stable version, yes |
| 20:51.03 | soulrider | ok, sow hat image do i grab ? |
| 20:51.13 | itchi | yos874: Nah, just ask NOKIA to write decent code, code that is not platform specifiq, or write it twice |
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| 20:51.25 | igor | maybe a variant? |
| 20:51.25 | valdyn | DawnLight: 'setting the default' is also done by setting environment variables ( type 'locale' to see those ) |
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| 20:51.37 | igor | remove nvi, which other option would be there? |
| 20:51.43 | soulrider | i first need to see if the machine work though :P |
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| 20:51.46 | Szeraax | tarzeau: have you donw win or lin booting? or both? |
| 20:51.46 | lantius | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:51.47 | yos874 | itchi: what is the decent code? |
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| 20:51.59 | norbert_ | soulrider: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r0-i386-netinst.iso |
| 20:52.08 | DawnLight | valdyn: i can't run dpkg-reconfigure as user |
| 20:52.08 | tarzeau | Szeraax: both, even solaris, and other crap |
| 20:52.15 | soulrider | norbert_: it doesnt have a network card :P or usb ports |
| 20:52.16 | yos874 | itchi: I'll ask them for help |
| 20:52.25 | valdyn | DawnLight: so you cant generate locales as a user. |
| 20:52.32 | norbert_ | soulrider: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 20:52.58 | DawnLight | valdyn: i want what import does, only permanent |
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| 20:53.13 | soulrider | can i choose during the installation to not install a graphic enviroment ? |
| 20:53.24 | igor | DawnLight on X? |
| 20:53.30 | valdyn | DawnLight: you need root to generate locales, you just set environment varibales to set the current locales |
| 20:53.32 | stew | soulrider: yes. that is the default |
| 20:53.33 | valdyn | DawnLight: you need root to generate locales, you just set environment varibales to set the current locale |
| 20:53.34 | itchi | yos874: That will be great, these need to know about other OS that MS |
| 20:53.39 | soulrider | ahh, great |
| 20:53.43 | itchi | s/that/than/ |
| 20:53.45 | valdyn | DawnLight: ( which you can do as a user ) |
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| 20:54.12 | pingouin | what is 'ggtick' that appear when i do an 'top' ? |
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| 20:54.45 | soulrider | uhm, theres 21 isos =/ |
| 20:54.52 | DawnLight | okay. i have the locales generated. how do i set the environment variables? |
| 20:54.54 | martoss | hi, does anybody of you knows how to configure dovecot's deliver with split exim4? |
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| 20:55.02 | valdyn | geez |
| 20:55.03 | dkr | pingouin: dpkg -S `locate ggtick` |
| 20:55.04 | itchi | soulrider: You not need all of these |
| 20:55.13 | soulrider | yeah i know |
| 20:55.18 | soulrider | but which do i choose ? |
| 20:55.19 | valdyn | DawnLight: which part of setting env vars do you not know? |
| 20:55.31 | DawnLight | all of them? |
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| 20:55.38 | DawnLight | send me to a man |
| 20:55.43 | valdyn | DawnLight: run 'locale' then you see the vars |
| 20:55.58 | itchi | soulrider: The netinstall? or see /msg dpkg cd contents |
| 20:56.13 | valdyn | DawnLight: read the docs for what each of them means |
| 20:56.14 | soulrider | itchi: i dont ahve a network card |
| 20:56.21 | valdyn | DawnLight: LC_ALL sets all at once |
| 20:56.21 | DawnLight | that part i know valdyn. how do i set them things? |
| 20:56.35 | itchi | soulrider: Usually the first 2 cd's, but deppend of the software you want |
| 20:56.40 | valdyn | DawnLight: LC_ALL=de_de@UTF-8 runsomeapp |
| 20:57.46 | abrotman | martoss: tried asking #exim or #dovecot ? |
| 20:57.56 | DawnLight | valdyn: what? dude i don't unserstand you you want me to type LC_ALL=bla bla? |
| 20:57.59 | soulrider | i think im gonna grab the XFCE ISO |
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| 20:58.28 | valdyn | DawnLight: and start your application in the same line |
| 20:58.34 | itchi | DawnLight: Heh, what happend? |
| 20:58.58 | martoss | abrotman, nope found several howtos about exim4, but no debian specific ones and it seems as if debian integrates configs it'S own way for exim4 |
| 20:59.09 | DawnLight | itchi? |
| 20:59.10 | abrotman | ah .. |
| 20:59.31 | abrotman | martoss: any docs in the /usr/share/doc/ for either of those ? |
| 20:59.47 | DawnLight | what application, valdyn? i want to set the default |
| 20:59.58 | martoss | for exim yes... trying to figure it out atm... |
| 21:00.08 | valdyn | DawnLight: you need root to set the system default. |
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| 21:00.23 | itchi | DawnLight: Export it, or set it default in your bashrc or whatever or with dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 21:00.36 | DawnLight | valdyn: every user has a defualt, too. how do i change that? |
| 21:00.50 | valdyn | DawnLight: no, not every user does |
| 21:00.56 | Thorrn4 | I have a serious problem wit dependencies http://pastebin.ca/477774 |
| 21:01.03 | valdyn | DawnLight: its ( unfortunately ) more complicated than that. |
| 21:01.10 | valdyn | DawnLight: for X it can be ~/.xsession |
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| 21:01.29 | valdyn | DawnLight: for seperate bash it can be ~/.bashrc |
| 21:01.39 | valdyn | !xsession |
| 21:01.39 | dpkg | i guess xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
| 21:01.48 | dogmeat | how can i deactivate attempts at accessing /dev/sda ? im getting "attempt to access beyond end of device" msgs, cause for some reason the kernel doesn't know about my raid config |
| 21:01.51 | sandman_ | debootstrap --foreign --arch arm etch ./debian-arm <== will that work to create a debian-arm installation on an x86 debian install? |
| 21:02.02 | sandman_ | Which I will then move over to my Nokio n800 |
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| 21:03.17 | chops | DawnLight: You can set a default locale for a given user by setting $LANG for that user in ~/.bash_profile (or whatever) |
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| 21:03.53 | valdyn | DawnLight: for X using gdm it can be set directly in gdm |
| 21:04.01 | tarzeau | sandman_: it's really a Nokio n800? |
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| 21:04.23 | valdyn | chops: and that's going to make X apps not have that locale |
| 21:04.45 | chops | valdyn: Ah, true |
| 21:04.48 | valdyn | DawnLight: that last thing is probably one of the best solutions |
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| 21:05.26 | DawnLight | thanks valdyn |
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| 21:06.46 | marsje_x | can anyone DCC me a GRUB disk ISO? or can I download one somewhere? |
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| 21:07.33 | chops | marsje_x: www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/?q=grub%20disk%20iso |
| 21:08.09 | marsje_x | I did google... |
| 21:08.24 | marsje_x | for "grub iso" |
| 21:08.42 | itchi | marsje_x: But not on the good google search engine :-p |
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| 21:08.53 | solemnwarning | Is NFS reliable on a simple LAN with 1-2 switches? |
| 21:08.55 | stew | marsje_x: do you have an install cd? |
| 21:09.08 | stew | marsje_x: or any livecd? |
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| 21:09.40 | marsje_x | stew: I have a knoppix disk, but I think it boots with a full kde desktop that my little machine won't like |
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| 21:09.52 | karsten | marsje_x: You can boot console-mode only. |
| 21:09.54 | uptownben | knoppix 2? |
| 21:09.58 | uptownben | on boot. |
| 21:10.00 | marsje_x | I think so |
| 21:10.53 | karsten | marsje_x: What uptownben just said was enter "knoppix 2" at boot for console-only mode. |
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| 21:11.10 | karsten | marsje_x: There's a whole set of boot options and support for same if you hit <F1> at the syslinux boot prompt. |
| 21:11.28 | marsje_x | let me try the Super Grub Disk first. if that doesn't work, I will try the knoppix way |
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| 21:12.09 | karsten | marsje_x: Nice thing about Knoppix is that you can do pretty damned near anything with it, and you've got a full environment to boot. |
| 21:12.17 | itchi | marsje_x: You can start fluxbox from that knoppix cd. Even without X AFAIK |
| 21:12.31 | uptownben | karsten: thanks, for translating that.. I'm just jumping back and forth here. |
| 21:12.37 | karsten | uptownben: ;-) |
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| 21:13.03 | uptownben | APT is really no thappy with me.. |
| 21:13.18 | karsten | uptownben: I hate it when apt gets thappy. |
| 21:13.27 | itchi | uptownben: heh, are you happy with him? As first :-) |
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| 21:13.35 | lu-bao | hello debian 4.0 is out i could read and now i have a question this amd64 version of 4.0 does it support ati drivers and codecs for all media files too ? |
| 21:13.47 | uptownben | I'm happy.. but we had a misunderstanding. |
| 21:13.55 | karsten | lu-bao: ati: in general. codecs: /msg apt w32codecs |
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| 21:14.23 | EdLin | lu-bao: I'm not sure of the status of the port, if not there's always a chroot for codecs |
| 21:14.27 | lu-bao | karsten i just wanted to know about support if it is supported or not :) |
| 21:14.46 | karsten | lu-bao: ati directly. w32codecs through third-party repos. |
| 21:14.57 | karsten | lu-bao: Read the factoid. |
| 21:15.03 | karsten | !tell lu-bao about w32codecs |
| 21:15.11 | lu-bao | ah okay so i can watch movies with amd64 :) thank you for your help ^^ |
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| 21:16.18 | Gnea | *POP!* |
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| 21:16.35 | Gnea | karsten: careful, you might not get enough oxygen ;) |
| 21:16.36 | karsten | bn? |
| 21:16.37 | karsten | Gnea: ? |
| 21:16.38 | itchi | karsten: Wait, i have a patch, we can glue it again togheter :-) |
| 21:16.56 | lu-bao | mh okay i think i'll stay at 32bit then as long the codecs aren't full translated and working in 64bit systems and as long 64bit isnt the "only" solution :) |
| 21:17.29 | Gnea | lu-bao: you don't have the 32bit compatibility layer installed? |
| 21:17.30 | h3sp4wn | mplayer has played everything I have thrown at it so far (with just the limited 64 bit codecs from the mplayer site) |
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| 21:17.48 | karsten | Gnea: Honestly, I don't know the answer to that. My understanding is that some of the codecs are binary, some are ports. I'd have to actually research this. If the algorithms have been recoded and recompiled, shouldn't be an issue. If they're just wrapped 'Doze drivers I could see an issue. Or requiring 32-bit compatibility modes. |
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| 21:18.08 | valdyn | w32codecs arent necessary for much anymore, but i suppose still for some stuff |
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| 21:18.26 | karsten | valdyn: WMP, they are. |
| 21:18.33 | valdyn | karsten: wmp? |
| 21:18.34 | karsten | valdyn: Not flash, if you're into YouTube. |
| 21:18.43 | Gnea | karsten: *nod* i'm getting an amd64 system put together soon, i'm looking forward to messing with that |
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| 21:18.48 | Not_Me4 | hey |
| 21:18.51 | sdlfk | yo |
| 21:18.51 | Not_Me4 | wert613 |
| 21:18.54 | h3sp4wn | mplayer has all the wmp I have tried |
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| 21:19.00 | valdyn | karsten: there's a wrapper for flash now |
| 21:19.08 | karsten | !wmp |
| 21:19.08 | dpkg | rumour has it, wmp is Microsoft Windows Multimedia Player. Proprietary multimedia format. See w32codecs |
| 21:19.09 | erpo | Can I safely hot-unplug an eSATA hard disk if it's not mounted? |
| 21:19.13 | sdlfk | I've got a problem displaying sweedish characters I get this: � |
| 21:19.27 | Not_Me4 | hmm.. that's pretty wierd |
| 21:19.30 | Not_Me4 | it's ok for me |
| 21:19.33 | valdyn | karsten: just empirically i can play any wmv file i tried lately |
| 21:19.38 | Not_Me4 | i can see swedish characters fine |
| 21:19.41 | valdyn | karsten: but i assume there should be some i cant |
| 21:19.42 | epsilon | where can I read how etch's crypto filesystem is setup? I'd like to use it, but wanna know the basic HOWTO |
| 21:19.49 | sdlfk | really they look sweedish to you? |
| 21:20.03 | Not_Me4 | yeah |
| 21:20.07 | karsten | valdyn: You've got marillat sources? |
| 21:20.14 | valdyn | karsten: yea |
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| 21:20.16 | Gnea | Not_Me4: you need to setup utf-8 |
| 21:20.20 | Gnea | !~utf8 |
| 21:20.22 | valdyn | karsten: just no w32codecs |
| 21:20.25 | Gnea | !utf8 |
| 21:20.26 | dpkg | i guess utf8 is how the Perl people spell UTF-8. See also <UTF-8>. |
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| 21:20.26 | uptownben | good night, buenas noches, boa noite, layla tov! |
| 21:20.26 | karsten | epsilon: TLDP: Linux encrypted filesystem howto. |
| 21:20.30 | karsten | !tldp |
| 21:20.30 | dpkg | tldp is, like, The Linux Documentation Project at http://www.tldp.org |
| 21:20.34 | Gnea | !tell Not_Me4 about UTF-8 |
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| 21:20.46 | sdlfk | I'm the one with the problem!! |
| 21:20.50 | valdyn | karsten: debians mplayer has wmv stuff ripped out? |
| 21:20.50 | sdlfk | tell me about UTF-8 |
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| 21:21.25 | Gnea | !tell sdlfk about UTF-8 |
| 21:21.29 | karsten | valdyn: NFC. Not my area of expertise. |
| 21:21.34 | karsten | !tell sdlfk about self-tell |
| 21:21.50 | karsten | sdlfk: /msg the bots. Don't "!tell me". |
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| 21:22.09 | sdlfk | fine then |
| 21:22.13 | sdlfk | I don't want to be told anyway! |
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| 21:22.50 | sdlfk | :( |
| 21:22.51 | sdlfk | so rude |
| 21:22.55 | Gnea | karsten: dude... |
| 21:23.31 | sdlfk | I just came here to fix my problem with � and the UTF fixed it so thanks a bunch! |
| 21:23.43 | Gnea | sdlfk: no problem |
| 21:24.22 | tarzeau | Azar, why don't you make some briquolo levels? |
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| 21:26.50 | mutantpineapple | i have a nice obscure problem... |
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| 21:27.23 | Ronin | we'll be sure to give you a nice obscure answer then ;) |
| 21:27.24 | damog | mutantpineapple: i have a nice obscure friend |
| 21:27.31 | DawnLight | how can i know what the default route is in a network i have access to? |
| 21:28.00 | valdyn | DawnLight: you can query the dhcp server |
| 21:28.25 | DawnLight | no dhcp, valdyn. that was my first thought |
| 21:28.28 | valdyn | DawnLight: assuming there's no 'information service' like that available, only by trial and error |
| 21:28.45 | mutantpineapple | basically, issuing any command gives me a "relocation error: /lib/tlsi686/cmov/libc.so.6: symbol _dl_out_of_memory, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time reference |
| 21:28.57 | xand | DawnLight: ask the admin |
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| 21:29.10 | valdyn | DawnLight: well, you could sniff network traffic.. |
| 21:29.10 | Chty | 7hello |
| 21:29.13 | xand | DawnLight: if you're not using dhcp, such details should be provided manually |
| 21:29.23 | xand | Chty: 8hi! |
| 21:29.30 | Chty | xand: sorry :) |
| 21:29.44 | DawnLight | xand: i don't know who the network belongs to, since its wireless. |
| 21:29.54 | xand | DawnLight: shouldn't be using it then, should you |
| 21:29.59 | mutantpineapple | if i replace the libc files i can get to a point where i can actually boot up, but after a few minutes it all goes back to how it was |
| 21:30.38 | DawnLight | xand: i won't do any damage and i won't look into any personal stuff |
| 21:30.41 | Chty | I'm trying to find the right package which contains sha1 function for C programming SHA1Init etc... and I didn't found it. Can someone help me ? |
| 21:30.54 | xand | DawnLight: well, using wireless networks without permission is illegal in many countries |
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| 21:31.22 | DawnLight | i don't care about the law here |
| 21:31.34 | DawnLight | but thanks anyway |
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| 21:31.52 | DawnLight | so how about a name of something that can sniff traffic? |
| 21:32.05 | atealtha | DawnLight wireshark |
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| 21:32.24 | atealtha | and akismet should get you started |
| 21:33.05 | mutantpineapple | anyone have any obscure solutions? |
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| 21:33.19 | Penggu | hi all |
| 21:33.25 | Penggu | since when did kernel-headers get renamed to linux-headers? |
| 21:33.31 | xand | Penggu: since etch |
| 21:33.42 | xand | Penggu: I guess because there's debians that don't use linux |
| 21:33.49 | Penggu | really? |
| 21:33.51 | xand | yes |
| 21:34.05 | xand | eg http://www.debian.org/ports/netbsd/ |
| 21:34.17 | Penggu | hmm, fair enuff |
| 21:34.23 | Penggu | *n*x type systems |
| 21:34.33 | thingfish | I did an etch netinstall. Why, when I install some package via apt-get, do I get prompted to put in the netinstall CD? |
| 21:34.58 | Penggu | http://www.debian.org/ports/windoze/ |
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| 21:35.07 | xand | thingfish: if you don't want that to happen, comment it out of sources.list and run apt-get update |
| 21:35.09 | thingfish | Why doesn't it pull them from my mirror? |
| 21:35.17 | xand | thingfish: it's because they can be found on CD |
| 21:35.27 | Penggu | btw, anyone notice a universal problem with debian-non-US ? |
| 21:35.34 | tarzeau | !non-us |
| 21:35.34 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, non-us is where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see ... |
| 21:35.39 | xand | Penggu: you mean that it doesn't exist anymore? |
| 21:35.57 | Penggu | ho hum |
| 21:36.02 | Penggu | well here you go |
| 21:36.09 | thingfish | xand: OK on both accounts that's what I was thinking. But here just this second I did apt-get install iftop, it prompted my for the CD, then got it of the mirror instead. |
| 21:36.25 | Penggu | crypto |
| 21:36.31 | Penggu | dpkg crypt |
| 21:36.42 | Przemcio78 | does it make a difference if i install nvidia drivers from nvidia.com, not from repository? |
| 21:36.42 | xand | thingfish: dunno then, I always remove the line as it doing that is annoying... I guess it might not know what CD you'll give it |
| 21:36.43 | Penggu | grr |
| 21:36.46 | valdyn | !crypto |
| 21:36.46 | dpkg | Cryptographic software is classified as munitions (military weapons) under US export laws. This has changed a bit recently, but it's still legally problematic to export cryptographic software from inside the US. That's why the non-US (cryptographic) section of Debian is hosted on machines that are NOT physically or politically inside the US. Ask me about "non-US" or "non-US mirrors". |
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| 21:36.52 | Penggu | dpkg crypto |
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| 21:37.11 | thingfish | xand: I'll comment it out, thanks. |
| 21:37.14 | D_STAR | how to login as root? |
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| 21:37.26 | valdyn | D_STAR: you dont |
| 21:37.46 | xand | logging in to the cli console is sometimes necessary |
| 21:37.57 | valdyn | dont think he would ask for the cli |
| 21:38.12 | D_STAR | valdyn: i must that to install my grafic drivers |
| 21:38.12 | Penggu | so if i select a mirror outside the US, without any extra special "non-US" lines, i'll get all the crypto, etc stuff that dpkg mentions? |
| 21:38.19 | valdyn | D_STAR: you dont |
| 21:38.23 | D_STAR | lol |
| 21:38.28 | valdyn | D_STAR: use sudo or su or sux |
| 21:38.28 | xand | D_STAR: use su |
| 21:38.53 | D_STAR | ah ok :S |
| 21:38.59 | xand | Penggu: I don't think it makes any difference |
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| 21:39.18 | xand | Penggu: as there is no non-us anymore |
| 21:39.26 | valdyn | !factinfo crypto |
| 21:39.26 | dpkg | crypto -- created by greycat <~wooledg@imadev.eeg.ccf.org> at Wed Jul 10 19:58:08 2002 (1763 days); it has been requested 415 times, last by valdyn, 2m 40s ago. |
| 21:39.27 | kth` | Fact: The greatest snowfall ever in a single storm was 189 inches at the Mount Shasta Ski Bowl in February, 1959. |
| 21:39.39 | xand | kth`: that's nice |
| 21:39.45 | valdyn | Penggu: as you can see that factoid is from 2002 |
| 21:40.38 | martoss | hi guys |
| 21:40.45 | martoss | what can i do about 48 fritzboxdeb dovecot: auth(default): dovecot-auth: error while loading shared libraries: libmysqlclient.so.15: failed to map segment from shared object: Cannot allocate memory |
| 21:40.45 | D_STAR | and i have 1 more question when i turn off the computer it doesnt turn off. and i cant use ctrl+alt+F1 then its only black. some one that know what the problem is? |
| 21:40.56 | martoss | although i have over 900mb swap free |
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| 21:42.02 | valdyn | martoss: not everything can be swapped, 900mb swap free is thus meaningless without context |
| 21:42.28 | Penggu | valdyn: hmm, k. thx for that info |
| 21:42.36 | martoss | hmm, i have only 2 mb free on this embedded mips system. |
| 21:42.43 | martoss | any ideas what i can do? |
| 21:42.53 | martoss | recompile dovecot w/o mysql support? |
| 21:42.54 | Penggu | i just set my deb box on cruise control and it never occurred to me something changed, so i never went out of my way to check |
| 21:43.01 | Penggu | until etch, that is.. |
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| 21:43.49 | marsje_x | anyone knows how to install grub when I want to boot from /dev/hda1/boot (ext3) and my root fs is on /dev/raid1-vg-root? |
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| 21:44.20 | lindenle | how would I convert mp3 to midid |
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| 21:44.30 | valdyn | lindenle: not at all |
| 21:44.58 | lindenle | valdyn: why not? |
| 21:45.03 | valdyn | lindenle: well, maybe an AI can do it in 50 years ;) |
| 21:45.24 | lindenle | basically i want to make a ring tone for my cell phone |
| 21:45.35 | valdyn | lindenle: because one is a stream of sound and the other a series of notes with length and instrument |
| 21:45.56 | lindenle | ah ok |
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| 21:46.19 | valdyn | lindenle: if 'midid' really is a 'midi' file, i havent heared about 'midid' |
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| 21:46.53 | Thorrn4 | hey, Im tryin to compile Pidgim on this computer and its going soo soo wrong...I dont have ANY dev tools or programs, had 2 install build-essential (build-essential g++ g++-4.1 libc6-dev libstdc++6-4.1-dev linux-kernel-headers) and now its needs GLib 2.0, but I dont need which 1 it is in the repos apt-cache search glib -> gives me so many things. I was wondering, why are all these things missing from my system?> |
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| 21:47.43 | ma3x | little question |
| 21:47.53 | ma3x | if I am in ftp or http directory how do I wget all the files? |
| 21:47.54 | valdyn | Thorrn4: apt-cache show libglib2.0-dev |
| 21:48.12 | streuner | ma3x: tkinfo wget ;-) |
| 21:48.32 | ma3x | streuner, I mean something like http://download.kde.org/khotnewstuff/wallpaper/downloads/ |
| 21:48.39 | ma3x | how do you wget all the files? |
| 21:48.45 | streuner | ma3x: tkinfo wget ;-) |
| 21:48.47 | Thorrn4 | valdyn, would it be "libglib2.0-0 " |
| 21:48.56 | valdyn | Thorrn4: debian doesnt install "all these things" by default |
| 21:48.56 | ma3x | streuner, wtf is tkinfo |
| 21:48.59 | valdyn | Thorrn4: no? |
| 21:49.05 | streuner | !info tkinfo |
| 21:49.09 | dpkg | tkinfo: (Tcl/Tk Info browser), section doc, is optional. Version: 2.8-3 (sid), Packaged size: 61 kB, Installed size: 288 kB |
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| 21:49.27 | Thorrn4 | valdyn, no...a lot things were missing and its still askin 4 more |
| 21:49.39 | ma3x | streuner, so I install tkinfo, and what next? |
| 21:49.41 | ma3x | what do I type/ |
| 21:49.47 | valdyn | Thorrn4: yes, debian does not install those by default |
| 21:49.57 | streuner | ma3x: the same as we told you :-) |
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| 21:50.15 | ma3x | letme try |
| 21:50.24 | eqweqwe | I have problem with a347scsi hard disk. I can't install debian, it doesn't recognise the hard drive. Any help? :S |
| 21:50.25 | Thorrn4 | valdyn, what are the headers for it? |
| 21:50.27 | ma3x | streuner, tkinfo wget url? |
| 21:50.36 | valdyn | Thorrn4: i already told you |
| 21:50.45 | streuner | ma3x: nah, read the 'examples' ;-) |
| 21:50.55 | ma3x | streuner, where? /usr/.share/doc? |
| 21:50.58 | Thorrn4 | ty valdyn |
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| 21:51.07 | streuner | NO, tkinfo wget :-) |
| 21:51.40 | ustunozgur | why not just info? |
| 21:51.41 | ma3x | streuner, is there no way to fetch them just with wgeT? |
| 21:51.45 | ma3x | wtf do I need that tkinfo |
| 21:52.02 | ma3x | streuner, it's gui |
| 21:52.07 | streuner | and? |
| 21:52.09 | ma3x | it has to be done from the command line |
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| 21:52.15 | streuner | sure |
| 21:52.16 | ma3x | what if I need it someday on computers without X? |
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| 21:52.30 | streuner | tkinfo works without X |
| 21:52.41 | ma3x | ok, so tell me how do I fetch http://download.kde.org/khotnewstuff/wallpaper/downloads/ |
| 21:53.49 | ma3x | its too complicated for me |
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| 21:54.13 | streuner | What's so complicated to read the examples? |
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| 21:54.36 | streuner | just use them! |
| 21:54.50 | ma3x | streuner, where? |
| 21:54.52 | ma3x | manpage? |
| 21:55.04 | streuner | nah, tkinfo wget |
| 21:55.30 | ustunozgur | info wget |
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| 21:56.13 | tmorton | Is there somewhere where I can download older .deb files for older versions of Debain/Ubuntu? |
| 21:56.13 | ustunozgur | what is special about tkinfo? |
| 21:56.17 | tmorton | I'm looking for libjack0.100.0-0 |
| 21:56.35 | h3sp4wn | tmorton: snapshot.debian.net (for debian) no idea about ubuntu |
| 21:56.36 | valdyn | !ubuntu |
| 21:56.37 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 21:56.41 | streuner | ustunozgur: nothing, its something which is easy to read/use... |
| 21:57.04 | ma3x | streuner, wget -r url works |
| 21:57.08 | ma3x | why do I need tkinfo? |
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| 21:57.24 | tmorton | thanks h3sp4wn |
| 21:57.29 | streuner | well, i prefer tkinfo instead of info |
| 21:57.49 | ma3x | streuner, come on, be reasonable |
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| 21:57.57 | ma3x | if you prefer it yourself, don't prefer it to others |
| 21:57.58 | ma3x | lol |
| 21:58.09 | streuner | !kill ma3x |
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| 21:58.15 | ustunozgur | ma3x: you don't. I personally prefer emacs info mode. |
| 21:58.21 | streuner | hehe |
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| 21:58.35 | stoned | i prefer that you don't prefer |
| 21:58.38 | stoned | capice? |
| 21:58.43 | stoned | ahahaha! |
| 21:58.52 | ma3x | i prefer pico |
| 21:58.55 | chops | The standard info mode is, for ordinary users, a cruel prank |
| 21:58.56 | ma3x | easiest |
| 21:58.57 | streuner | stoned: you need a 'mhallsmite' ;-) |
| 21:59.25 | chops | "We could give you help, but... first you'll have to navigate this wonderful lisp-based hypertext system with unprovided keyboard commands" |
| 21:59.27 | ustunozgur | chops: thanks :p |
| 21:59.37 | chops | "Oh, you wanted to go back to the topic you were just at? TOO BAD!" |
| 21:59.42 | chops | I like pinfo myself |
| 22:00.00 | streuner | dpkg, start a info war |
| 22:00.19 | streuner | hehe, that cmd doesn't exist yet ;-) |
| 22:00.30 | jelly-home | thankfully |
| 22:00.31 | tmorton | one other question...can I get the direct .deb URLs somehow from that page? I don't have debain or apt-get... |
| 22:00.44 | ustunozgur | there are keyboard commands in emacs. |
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| 22:00.59 | ustunozgur | tmorton: packages.debian.org |
| 22:01.17 | chops | ustunozgur: Yes, the emacs keyboard commands are just what someone perusing beginning-Linux-user documentation would like to use |
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| 22:01.48 | chops | ustunozgur: Ctrl-U is widely known among recent Windows converts as the command to travel up one node in the hierarchy of topics that is not explained anywhere |
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| 22:01.56 | tmorton | thanks ustunozgur |
| 22:02.01 | crazy_penguin | Good night all! |
| 22:02.54 | ustunozgur | chops: emacs? beginning? |
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| 22:03.15 | chops | ustunozgur: That's precisely what I mean |
| 22:03.38 | chops | ustunozgur: Dumping users who are looking for help into emacs's UI is not reasonable. I love emacs. I write code it in all the time. But it's not for new users. |
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| 22:04.20 | chops | ustunozgur: Basing the help system on its navigation, with a special selected set of extra random commands and behavior so even experienced users don't come away unflummoxed, was an exercise in deliberate cruelty IMO |
| 22:04.31 | chops | s/the help system/a help system/, I know there are others |
| 22:05.08 | ustunozgur | hehe so that one covers all emacs. :) |
| 22:05.23 | ustunozgur | ok, just at first didn't get the sarcasm. |
| 22:05.41 | chops | ustunozgur: Oh, yes, sorry. It was indeed sarcastic :-) |
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| 22:06.11 | ustunozgur | well, I suggested "info" initially. |
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| 22:06.29 | tmorton | Sorry, I'm back... I'm looking for libjack-0.99.61-1, but for some reason I can't find it |
| 22:06.59 | ustunozgur | I thought you were a vi-user, blaming emacs with using ctrl, just like windows :D |
| 22:07.19 | PerfDave | pinfo almost makes info pages usable, big heaps of shit that they are |
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| 22:09.28 | marsje_x | does anyone here use grub + lvm + raid with the /-partition on lvm? |
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| 22:09.49 | karsten | ... bitter than sweet ... |
| 22:10.17 | ustunozgur | info was before html, wasn't it? |
| 22:10.45 | ustunozgur | invented I mean. |
| 22:11.32 | karsten | streuner: It's a bittersweet surrender. |
| 22:11.35 | karsten | streuner: http://www.cowboylyrics.com/lyrics/berg-matraca/bittersweet-surrender-4437.html |
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| 22:12.03 | karsten | Wait, wrong one: http://www.ojar.com/view_6872.htm |
| 22:12.40 | streuner | karsten: "There's enough love left for one more night" well... :-) |
| 22:13.32 | bzed | marsje_x: grub can't boot from lvm |
| 22:14.01 | bzed | marsje_x: you need a small /boot partition, the rest is fine in lvm |
| 22:14.08 | sssfw | hey guys, i need some alsa help, my beloved DEBIAN reconizes my AC97 as intel OCHIsomthing something, how do i force it to what i want.. thx... |
| 22:14.42 | bzed | sssfw: if it reconized you chip as that card, chances are goo that it is right |
| 22:14.51 | PerfDave | sssfw: What do you want it to be? |
| 22:14.59 | ustunozgur | sssfw: try alsaconf. |
| 22:15.02 | marsje_x | bzed: it's exactly what I have... I have /boot in /dev/hda1 and /, /home, /var in LVM |
| 22:15.05 | sssfw | did that mate |
| 22:15.25 | bzed | sssfw: what's the output of lspci for that card? |
| 22:15.37 | bzed | marsje_x: that works well, you need to use an initrd, though. |
| 22:15.41 | sssfw | no luck, he discovered the right one at the previouse install |
| 22:16.25 | ustunozgur | isn't ac97 intel's? |
| 22:16.26 | marsje_x | bzed: it seems to boot but half way it stops and I get: "Waiting for the root file system..." |
| 22:16.29 | sssfw | updated to new kernel (the 2.6.18) and failed to |
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| 22:16.42 | sssfw | mm |
| 22:16.43 | nhuisman | hey does anyone know where I can find a guide for securing debian for production server use |
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| 22:17.14 | bzed | marsje_x: hmm, is there an initrd mentioned in in the grub config? |
| 22:17.20 | sssfw | im using win now, doing some C# work.. |
| 22:17.27 | marsje_x | bzed: then it says: ALERT! /dev/raid1-vg/root does not exist! Dropping to a shell! |
| 22:17.29 | PerfDave | nhuisman: the securing debian manual? |
| 22:17.29 | sssfw | so cant cat |
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| 22:17.53 | marsje_x | bzed: yes, there is a initrd, same version as the kernel line in grub |
| 22:18.09 | marsje_x | bzed: I have copied my debian system to a new lvm drive |
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| 22:18.21 | bzed | marsje_x: ah, try /dev/mapper/...../ in /etc/fstab and in grub's kopt instead |
| 22:18.29 | sssfw | i need to force the damn alsa.. how (if at all) can i do that.. |
| 22:18.53 | ustunozgur | sssfw: so you are procrastrinating now... |
| 22:18.55 | bzed | marsje_x: udev is not avaiable at boot I think, but /dev/mapper files are managed by devmapper on it's own, if I'm not wrong |
| 22:19.21 | bzed | sssfw: first get into linux, second: get the output I've asked you to get. |
| 22:19.39 | sssfw | not fammiliar with pro... can you elaburate? |
| 22:19.40 | bzed | sssfw: my fishbowl can't predict right now. |
| 22:19.41 | marsje_x | bzed: think I already tried that notation, but let me try again |
| 22:19.45 | nhuisman | yeah i'm reading that, i'm just wondering if there are any other best practices for a production debian server |
| 22:19.57 | bzed | marsje_x: also make sure to rebuild your initrd |
| 22:20.10 | bzed | marsje_x: you need to have the lvm tool installed when you do so |
| 22:20.15 | marsje_x | bzed: how can I do all that if I can't boot? |
| 22:20.31 | bzed | marsje_x: boot from the installer disc in rescue mode? |
| 22:20.32 | simonrvn | you boot into a rescue system |
| 22:20.55 | marsje_x | I have some disks laying around... |
| 22:21.22 | sssfw | also have ati mobility 9700 problems, but thats to laters. |
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| 22:21.26 | [GABRI] | hi people |
| 22:21.29 | sssfw | rebooting... |
| 22:21.31 | sssfw | brb |
| 22:21.40 | [GABRI] | how i can fix this error? http://rafb.net/p/Qw3SW888.html |
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| 22:21.54 | PerfDave | nhuisman: As opposed to best practices for any other production server? |
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| 22:22.40 | yettenet | I can't find the parameter that I can loop with in mplayer |
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| 22:22.49 | yettenet | Could anyone tell it to me? |
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| 22:23.26 | PerfDave | yettenet: ##mplayer may help? |
| 22:23.32 | yettenet | Hm |
| 22:23.37 | yettenet | Great idea! :) |
| 22:23.38 | yettenet | Thanks |
| 22:23.45 | yettenet | Sry for coming here, I'm a bit tired :P |
| 22:23.45 | xand | s/##/#/ |
| 22:23.55 | Bokja | hi my pc's file system crashed ext3 and when i do recovery mode it does not let me login as root. What should i do |
| 22:24.18 | PerfDave | Bokja: What do you mean, it does not let you? |
| 22:24.20 | nhuisman | perfdave no, it's just that I a bit new at setting up production level servers and I figured it would be good to find a guide for debian since that was the os I had chosen |
| 22:24.22 | xand | Bokja: what do you mean "It doesn't let you"? |
| 22:24.30 | xand | bah! |
| 22:24.31 | nhuisman | "that i am" |
| 22:24.46 | yettenet | And... another question... is there any way to start programs in a terminal by a single command? |
| 22:24.53 | Bokja | when i try to enter as root from recovery mode it does not login |
| 22:24.54 | yettenet | (for example when I open the run menu) |
| 22:25.00 | xand | yettenet: type the single command? |
| 22:25.12 | xand | Bokja: and the error message is? |
| 22:25.16 | yettenet | Well, for example I want to run mpg123 in a terminal |
| 22:25.29 | yettenet | but I'd like to put it in the crontab |
| 22:25.33 | Bokja | i dont remember it |
| 22:25.38 | xand | yettenet: not sure that'll work. |
| 22:25.45 | yettenet | xand: Any idea? |
| 22:26.04 | xand | why do you need to launch a terminal for it? |
| 22:26.26 | yettenet | xand: Because I can't control it if it's not run in terminal |
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| 22:26.43 | ustunozgur | yettenet: in xfce there is a "run in terminal" option in run dialog. |
| 22:27.42 | marsje_x | bzed: how do I rebuild initrd? I have never done this by hand before... |
| 22:27.42 | xand | well "xterm mpg123" will probably work |
| 22:27.42 | Bokja | xand is there anyway to do fsck maybe from windows |
| 22:27.42 | septic | How can I use xconsole on my desktop to view output from my server? |
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| 22:27.42 | xand | Bokja: use a livecd |
| 22:27.42 | yettenet | xand: Ok, I'll try |
| 22:27.42 | Sweetandy | What LS switch would I use to find out filesize? |
| 22:27.42 | karsten | Sweetandy: man ls |
| 22:27.43 | xand | yettenet: maybe DISPLAY=:0 xterm mpg123 blah.mp3 |
| 22:27.43 | PerfDave | Bokja: You know, it's probably best just to give us more detail. How did your filesystem crash, which filesystem was it, what error do you get, etc. |
| 22:27.47 | [GABRI] | how i can fix this error? http://rafb.net/p/Qw3SW888.html |
| 22:27.56 | yettenet | xand: env DISPLAY=:0 is obvious... I just didn't think about this option... I'm gonna check it right now P |
| 22:28.21 | karsten | [GABRI]: Replace your disk. |
| 22:28.22 | bzed | marsje_x: I think update-initramfs -u -k all should do the job |
| 22:28.42 | bzed | [GABRI]: or try a new cable first |
| 22:28.44 | karsten | [GABRI]: That's not a CDR is it? I suspect fixed HD, right? |
| 22:29.01 | [GABRI] | mm karsten is one hd |
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| 22:29.17 | xand | [GABRI]: buy a new harddisk maybe |
| 22:29.26 | karsten | [GABRI]: Confirm connections, cable, I'd RMA it m'self. |
| 22:29.27 | [GABRI] | ohhh i am unhappy |
| 22:29.33 | xand | (or send it back) |
| 22:29.37 | xand | sounds like hardware failure |
| 22:29.41 | xand | s/sounds/looks/ |
| 22:29.48 | [GABRI] | it is a ide hd |
| 22:30.02 | karsten | [GABRI]: Nope, not obligated to make you happy. |
| 22:30.14 | xand | what a meanie |
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| 22:31.01 | [GABRI] | mm xand karsten can i test the hd with utility? |
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| 22:31.41 | karsten | [GABRI]: You could try smartmontools. |
| 22:31.55 | karsten | [GABRI]: I'd be a lot more concerned w/ salvaging any data off of it *first*. |
| 22:32.19 | [GABRI] | i moved data to other hd karsten |
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| 22:32.25 | [GABRI] | we can try all |
| 22:32.30 | xand | karsten: why would (s)he need to do that? :) it'd be on the other half of hte mirror or backup tape ;) |
| 22:32.32 | yettenet | xand: I found it! |
| 22:32.37 | xand | O.o |
| 22:32.57 | yettenet | xand: You have to use a switch to make xterm know that you want to run a program in a new terminal |
| 22:32.58 | karsten | xand: ;-) |
| 22:33.13 | yettenet | xand: xterm -e proggy proggy's switches |
| 22:33.31 | xand | oh |
| 22:33.32 | karsten | [GABRI]: If you've got the data, do some basic tests (as you've been told). I strongly suspect bad media. Contact your vendor for RMA procedures. |
| 22:33.36 | Sweetandy | karsten: Thanks! I learned so very much. I should have looked there anyway. ; ) |
| 22:34.02 | karsten | Sweetandy: That's the nicest response to an RTFM I've had in a while. |
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| 22:34.18 | [GABRI] | mm karsten http://rafb.net/p/xf1OgZ87.html |
| 22:34.40 | Sweetandy | karsten: does RTFM mean, "Refer To the 'Foobar' Manual"? |
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| 22:34.53 | Sweetandy | karsten: wink wink |
| 22:34.59 | PerfDave | Sweetandy: Read the fine manual! |
| 22:35.06 | epsilon | creating multiple crypted partitions in etch installation, whats better: many physical partitions with LVM/crypt each, or one physical partition and many LVM/crypt? |
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| 22:35.23 | Sweetandy | Perfdave: Aaaah... thanks! |
| 22:35.34 | karsten | epsilon: Depends on your threat model, what you're trying to hide. |
| 22:35.38 | yettenet | yay, crontab is owning me badly :D |
| 22:36.09 | epsilon | karsten: standard notebook installation with separated /home, /var etc |
| 22:36.51 | karsten | epsilon: I'd do an encrypted /home m'self. Leave the others clear. |
| 22:36.57 | marsje_x | how can I edit /etc/fstab in debian rescue mode? even vi doesn't seem to work... |
| 22:37.12 | karsten | epsilon: If you wrap everything under a crypto bubble, folks can't see what you've got at all. |
| 22:37.23 | karsten | marsje_x: mount -o remount,rw / |
| 22:37.43 | [GABRI] | mm karsten xand http://rafb.net/p/OMUa2882.html |
| 22:37.44 | karsten | marsje_x: ... and mount /proc while you're at it. cat /proc/mounts for actual mount configuration. |
| 22:37.54 | epsilon | karsten: actually I want to know if the partitions should be done by physical drive, or in LVM |
| 22:38.12 | karsten | [GABRI]: I'd take syslog responses over smartctl in this case m'self. |
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| 22:38.29 | karsten | epsilon: Physical may be somewhat faster. I really don't know and can't give you a good answer. |
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| 22:38.50 | yettenet | See ya :) |
| 22:38.53 | yettenet | Thanks for the assist |
| 22:38.55 | PerfDave | I would think that the encryption overhead would outweigh the LVM overhead myself, but I haven't tested it. |
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| 22:40.40 | marsje_x | karsten: doesn't seem to work... |
| 22:41.14 | marsje_x | karsten: does it need /var/tmp? |
| 22:41.14 | karsten | marsje_x: Might. |
| 22:41.36 | karsten | marsje_x: Or you can edit with sed or here documents. |
| 22:41.51 | karsten | marsje_x: First thing you want to sort out is whether or not the partition itself is writeable though. |
| 22:41.58 | [GABRI] | [karsten] http://rafb.net/p/UfYGNX52.html |
| 22:42.00 | marsje_x | ok |
| 22:43.00 | karsten | [GABRI]: Short/long tests take a couple minutes and ~ 30 minutes to complete. |
| 22:43.30 | karsten | [GABRI]: I've seen hosed drives either pass, or fail to complete tests (either error out or simply proceed so slowly that the test didn't complete in 24 h). |
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| 22:44.14 | [GABRI] | where i can vie information about the process test? |
| 22:44.21 | [GABRI] | dmesg and syslog can't show anything |
| 22:44.28 | lu-bao | mh still i386 ? why isnt the standart something like i586 ? :) |
| 22:44.34 | marsje_x | karsten: partition seems writeable... but my mounts are a mess... |
| 22:44.37 | karsten | [GABRI]: smartctl itself. |
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| 22:45.09 | lu-bao | i don't know much about debian but does it run well when i run an i386 architecture OS on an AMD64 ? |
| 22:45.12 | marsje_x | thanks :) |
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| 22:45.24 | h3sp4wn | lu-bao: it will run just fine |
| 22:45.25 | karsten | lu-bao: It should. |
| 22:45.31 | lu-bao | cause i386 is an old architecture i mean :) |
| 22:45.38 | lu-bao | old optimizations ^^ |
| 22:45.43 | PerfDave | lu-bao: It will be just fine, amd64 is backwards compatiable. |
| 22:45.55 | lu-bao | okay thank you :) |
| 22:46.05 | marsje_x | karsten: you just said "or here documents"... que? |
| 22:46.07 | h3sp4wn | lu-bao: but there are optimizations (there are less amd64 specific ones) |
| 22:46.08 | christof | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:46.18 | karsten | marsje_x: cat <<EOF > output file |
| 22:46.26 | lu-bao | h3sp4wn huh? |
| 22:46.28 | karsten | marsje_x: A shell feature. |
| 22:46.51 | lu-bao | h3sp4wn what do you mean? |
| 22:46.54 | karsten | marsje_x: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Here_document |
| 22:46.58 | [GABRI] | mm karsten i can't view any informacion in the screen |
| 22:47.07 | karsten | marsje_x: http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/here-docs.html |
| 22:47.13 | h3sp4wn | lu-bao: Some applications have portions that are written in x86 assembler (for speed) but the amd64 versions don't have those |
| 22:47.22 | thingfish | christof: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 22:47.23 | karsten | [GABRI]: In my experience disk problems very rarely get better. |
| 22:47.28 | karsten | [GABRI]: They very often get worse. |
| 22:47.31 | lu-bao | h3sp4wn aah so i386 is faster? |
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| 22:47.48 | h3sp4wn | lu-bao: depends on what you are doing |
| 22:47.52 | karsten | [GABRI]: If you swa[ the disk and you continue to see issues, suspect other HW. Otherwise stop bothering me, I'm done with this already. |
| 22:48.05 | h3sp4wn | lu-bao: amd64 has twice the registers |
| 22:48.15 | karsten | [GABRI]: Your not wanting to have a failed disk isn't going to fix it. |
| 22:48.19 | lu-bao | h3sp4wn multimedia (audio, video, 3D games) watching DVB-T and so on :) |
| 22:48.27 | lu-bao | burning dvd or cds |
| 22:48.32 | h3sp4wn | lu-bao: no flash plugin or java plugin for amd64 |
| 22:48.38 | christof | thingfish: yeah I tried already that but I have no nvidia-glx packages available |
| 22:48.50 | lu-bao | h3sp4wn okay i'll stay at i386 *g* |
| 22:49.05 | christof | thingfish: may be my source are not correct :s |
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| 22:49.35 | lu-bao | woah 3dvds full of software o.o |
| 22:49.42 | thingfish | christof: add, in /etc/apt/sources.list, the words 'contrib' and 'non-free' after where it says 'main' |
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| 22:49.53 | marsje_x | karsten: I think it's quicker to connect my old drive and do it from there |
| 22:49.56 | thingfish | christof: then apt-get update |
| 22:50.04 | thingfish | christof: then apt-get install nvidia-glx |
| 22:50.29 | karsten | marsje_x: Whatever works. |
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| 22:50.50 | xand | hjhjhjas |
| 22:50.58 | lu-bao | is in debian4.0 standard "radeon" driver included automatically to support faster 2D rendering (window movements and refresh rates) ? |
| 22:51.53 | freeza | hello I am trying to recompile my 2.6.20 kernel with a custom config file that i already have and I already know how to go about doing that but I also want install some patches to the kernel as well. The patches are in .patch format and i am not sure how to go about on installing it |
| 22:52.16 | xand | asdasdasdasdasda |
| 22:52.25 | xand | arse |
| 22:52.31 | karsten | !tell freeza about kp |
| 22:52.39 | karsten | xand: Problems? |
| 22:52.40 | h3sp4wn | freeza: patch -p1 <../foo.patch |
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| 22:52.49 | xand | yes, my ssh froze for about a minute |
| 22:52.50 | xand | hm |
| 22:53.03 | freeza | ahh ok |
| 22:53.25 | freeza | now do i apply the patch after recompiling the kernel? |
| 22:53.40 | h3sp4wn | You need to apply it prior to compiling it |
| 22:53.45 | PerfDave | freeza: No... the patch is to the kernel source code, so you apply it before compiling. |
| 22:54.02 | freeza | ahh ok i get cool thanks |
| 22:54.09 | lu-bao | debian4 includes kde3.5.5a (means a=alpha version? ) |
| 22:54.13 | irule | I only have woody CD1 and would like to create a local mirror because the machine to be installed cant read cdroms very well, this is for net install, is it possible to create a local mirror just with this"? thanks |
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| 22:54.40 | PerfDave | irule: You want to install Woody? |
| 22:54.50 | itchi | lu-bao: What mean the b of kde3.5.5b ? |
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| 22:55.05 | itchi | lu-bao: Beta? :-) |
| 22:55.08 | lu-bao | itchi there's one b ? |
| 22:55.10 | itchi | lu-bao: No, just some numbering |
| 22:55.11 | PerfDave | irule: you do realise that it's many years old and no longer supported even for security patches, right? |
| 22:55.11 | lu-bao | mh i dont know :( |
| 22:55.25 | selim | can someone help me with a vpn pptp and wireless interface problem? |
| 22:55.39 | itchi | lu-bao: It's the second version of kde3.5.5 we guess :-) |
| 22:55.44 | lu-bao | keys are numbering? weird :) okay but good to know that i don't have stupid alpha stuff inside :D |
| 22:56.45 | xand | !editor |
| 22:56.46 | dpkg | methinks editor is Something used to edit (change, create, modify, append, remove stuff from) files. There are both text editors and binary editors. vi and emacs (or flavors of same) are the standard *nix editors, though n00b5 might find nano, gedit, nedit, etc., more useful. The usual difference between, say, an editor and a word processor is that editors _just_ do plain text. See also binary editor. |
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| 22:57.25 | xand | gah, I have set EDITOR to be /usr/bin/vim using .bashrc but crontab -e still use nano... how do I change that? |
| 22:57.42 | itchi | xand: update-alternative |
| 22:57.51 | xand | itchi: yes, but what's the setting |
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| 22:57.56 | xand | editor? |
| 22:58.28 | xand | oh, apparently so |
| 22:58.28 | xand | itchi: and what if i wanted it per user |
| 22:58.28 | itchi | xand: update-alternatives --list editor |
| 22:59.36 | itchi | xand: Dunno, i thought setting up that var, like you told |
| 22:59.42 | karsten | xand: What's $VISUAL set to? |
| 22:59.52 | xand | nothing |
| 23:00.09 | xand | why does this work: EDITOR=vim crontab -e, but not crontab -e when EDITOR is set by .bashrc? |
| 23:00.13 | karsten | xand: EDITOR=vim; VISUAL=$EDITOR; export EDITOR VISUAL |
| 23:00.21 | ustunozgur | C-X C-E opens the editor in bash. Are there similar commands for other things? Like could I set C-X C-P to open another application? |
| 23:00.27 | karsten | xand: Because you didn't export $EDITOR. |
| 23:00.33 | xand | yes I did. |
| 23:00.37 | karsten | ustunozgur: man bash |
| 23:00.44 | karsten | ustunozgur: or /join #bash |
| 23:00.48 | xand | I exported it from .bashrc |
| 23:01.09 | itchi | xand: You need to export the var |
| 23:01.14 | karsten | ustunozgur: Look for the Readline section of the manual. |
| 23:01.15 | xand | what? |
| 23:01.41 | lu-bao | mh now i download all 3 dvds of 4.0 :) |
| 23:01.42 | ustunozgur | Ok. thanks. |
| 23:01.42 | xand | hmm |
| 23:01.47 | xoz_ | xand: logout/login |
| 23:01.55 | karsten | !tell lu-bao about netinst |
| 23:01.55 | itchi | xand: See what karsten told you |
| 23:02.02 | xand | xoz_: that's not relevant |
| 23:02.19 | lu-bao | karsten i dont trust netinst since i don't trust my DSL connection cause it has disconnects often :> |
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| 23:02.31 | karsten | lu-bao: In general not an issue. |
| 23:02.33 | Catoptromancy | is like every package available on the 3 DVD .isos? |
| 23:02.34 | lu-bao | otherwise i wan't to have all 3 to install it offline on friends pc's too :) |
| 23:02.52 | xoz_ | xand: if you exported it in .bashrc, it should work |
| 23:03.06 | lu-bao | i don't steal bandwidth i use bittorrent :) |
| 23:03.08 | xand | nevermind |
| 23:04.06 | Catoptromancy | buy, or wait a week to download them heh |
| 23:04.19 | lu-bao | Catoptromancy noo use bittorrent and have em in a few hours :> |
| 23:04.34 | Catoptromancy | I am |
| 23:04.37 | PerfDave | Catoptromancy: I tend to buy from places which donate profits to Debian. I'm already running Etch on two of my systems. |
| 23:04.51 | Catoptromancy | all 3 at once |
| 23:04.51 | xand | xoz_: I had restarted rxvt but was being dumb c.c |
| 23:04.52 | Catoptromancy | 50kps max |
| 23:05.21 | PerfDave | Catoptromancy: That'll take a week ;) |
| 23:05.22 | ustunozgur | my record is 3MB/s hehe :) |
| 23:05.27 | lu-bao | when i have money i'll buy a box with all DVD's include with painted dvd's labels and booklet :) but that's later i only have 18euro at the moment *g* |
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| 23:06.29 | itchi | I'm at 2.4MB/s now |
| 23:06.30 | Sweetandy | Am I mistaken to believe that there is no realplayer plugin for Debian? |
| 23:06.40 | Catoptromancy | So what can possibly fit on 3 DVDs? Every available package? |
| 23:06.43 | itchi | but just coping a big file of my own network :-p |
| 23:06.47 | karsten | !realplayer |
| 23:06.47 | dpkg | realplayer is, like, RealNetworks's proprietary media player, which can read RealAudio and RealVideo, or http://www.real.com/linux/ or ask me about helix player, or ask me about real codecs |
| 23:07.06 | itchi | ppff wifi sucks, it's ways to slow :-( |
| 23:07.08 | PerfDave | Catoptromancy: For one architecture. |
| 23:07.15 | Catoptromancy | cool |
| 23:07.22 | lu-bao | Catoptromancy yeah i think 13,7GB can have all packages existing for i386 :) |
| 23:07.35 | ustunozgur | itchi: my average is 2.5 MB/s from the Debian server at the university. |
| 23:07.36 | DawnLight | why would this be? |
| 23:07.36 | DawnLight | KPGE:/home/kfir# ping -I wlan0 10.0.0.1 |
| 23:07.37 | DawnLight | connect: No such device |
| 23:07.38 | Catoptromancy | heh |
| 23:07.48 | karsten | Sweetandy: Last I recall there was an installer in non-free. Helix player is made by Real but *doesn't* play Real streams/files. There's a player available somewhere. Used to be plugins for xmms, etc., not sure what current situation is. RP sucks rocks. |
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| 23:07.50 | Catoptromancy | I use Kaffeine and it seems to paly every media file ive tried |
| 23:07.58 | axolx | hey guys -- how can i find out all the possible values that i can assign to TERM= and are supported by my terminal app |
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| 23:08.06 | Catoptromancy | I somehow managed every codec |
| 23:08.07 | itchi | DawnLight: Cause you not have the device 'wlan0' |
| 23:08.08 | h3sp4wn | mplayer can play real streams |
| 23:08.19 | itchi | DawnLight: Look with ifconfig -a |
| 23:08.40 | DawnLight | i have it, its up and its associated with an AP |
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| 23:09.27 | itchi | DawnLight: From `ping --help` [-I interface or address] |
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| 23:09.34 | DawnLight | if i specify an interface for ping then it ignores default route, right? |
| 23:09.35 | itchi | DawnLight: You have specify the both |
| 23:09.40 | yeonhoo | hi |
| 23:09.41 | grendal_prime | how do i send an snmp trat to a server? |
| 23:09.52 | grendal_prime | i thought it would be as simple as...snmptrap " |
| 23:10.02 | h3sp4wn | Sweetandy: xine almost can with latest version (crackly though) - (this requires the w64 codecs from the mplayer site - atrc.so cook.so drvc.so sipr.so) or you can get w32codecs if you are on i386 |
| 23:10.03 | PerfDave | DawnLight: You'll still need *a* route to the target |
| 23:10.06 | itchi | DawnLight: It should use the route for that device, see 'route' |
| 23:10.19 | DawnLight | my god... okay |
| 23:10.21 | DawnLight | brb |
| 23:10.32 | karsten | axolx: cat /etc/terminfo/README |
| 23:10.32 | yeonhoo | question : i installed minimal debian packet. how can i run gdm? |
| 23:10.34 | yeonhoo | gnome? |
| 23:10.36 | Sweetandy | Ghhh, staying entirely free doesn't seem to be working for me in this search. |
| 23:10.47 | PerfDave | yeonhoo: Install it |
| 23:10.59 | axolx | karsten: thanks |
| 23:11.00 | karsten | axolx: find /lib/terminfo /usr/share/terminfo -type f |
| 23:11.00 | yeonhoo | question : i installed gnome already |
| 23:11.21 | PerfDave | yeonhoo: That's not a question ;) |
| 23:11.24 | yeonhoo | when i execute gdm says its already running aborting |
| 23:11.36 | h3sp4wn | Sweetandy: mplayer will play them without codecs (you just need the url from inside the .ram (you can get it from debian-multimedia) |
| 23:11.44 | epsilon | what's better / faster: dm-crypt or loop-aes? |
| 23:11.48 | karsten | yeonhoo: Stray lockfile? Stray processes? |
| 23:11.57 | itchi | yeonhoo: You want to start your display manager? See /msg dpkg dm |
| 23:12.08 | PerfDave | yeonhoo: How are you executing gdm? |
| 23:12.08 | itchi | yeonhoo: Try /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 23:12.13 | karsten | epsilon: I hear loop-aes made the Kessel run in 16 parsecs. |
| 23:12.13 | yeonhoo | on console |
| 23:12.20 | yeonhoo | i only have console for now |
| 23:12.29 | PerfDave | yeonhoo: What are you typing? |
| 23:12.29 | yeonhoo | i wanna run gnome... |
| 23:12.39 | itchi | DawnLight: I have say some stupid things above, ignore me :-p |
| 23:12.40 | yeonhoo | gdm to execute gnome |
| 23:12.54 | karsten | epsilon: Though the Millenium Falcon did it in less than twelve. |
| 23:13.16 | itchi | Have a nice night guys, and thanks for all these nice toys! |
| 23:13.27 | yeonhoo | and i already tried x-window-maneger ... and installed some other packages... |
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| 23:13.44 | yeonhoo | but sits not runnig |
| 23:13.46 | PerfDave | yeonhoo: gdm does not execute gnome, it runs gdm. And if gdm's already running, you can't run it again. Try "/etc/init.d/gdm restart" as itchi suggested. |
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| 23:14.21 | yeonhoo | wow !! |
| 23:14.22 | yeonhoo | =D |
| 23:14.29 | yeonhoo | runnig |
| 23:14.40 | yeonhoo | its working now |
| 23:15.28 | yeonhoo | more one question : if im in console and if i want to back to gdm |
| 23:15.51 | yeonhoo | what command should i put? |
| 23:15.53 | itchi | yeonhoo: Just quit (end) your session and you go back to gdm |
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| 23:16.02 | karsten | PerfDave: Future converts. |
| 23:16.11 | lu-bao | PerfDave heyy dont be mean :( |
| 23:16.19 | yeonhoo | automatically i back to gdm? |
| 23:16.26 | yeonhoo | if I and the session? |
| 23:16.32 | h3sp4wn | yeonhoo: alt + f 7 |
| 23:18.11 | PerfDave | yeonhoo: How do you get from the console to gdm in the first place? |
| 23:18.11 | yeonhoo | PerfDave : didnt understand your question sorry |
| 23:18.11 | yeonhoo | h3sp4wn thank you =D |
| 23:18.20 | h3sp4wn | yeonhoo: (control + alt + f1) e.g to get to a real console from in X |
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| 23:20.31 | yeonhoo | h3sp4wn : thank you =D very helpful! |
| 23:20.45 | ustunozgur | btw just as a side note, mplayer does make use of codecs to play videos. |
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| 23:22.11 | ustunozgur | #debian: basically you need the headers, so look for things which end with -dev. |
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| 23:25.40 | marsje_x | it seems like my root fs on lvm does not get mounted properly |
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| 23:26.12 | bzed | marsje_x: if you get a shell (from the initrd for example) - check if the device exists |
| 23:26.17 | marsje_x | I get: Mounting /root/dev on /dev/.static/dev failed: No such file or directory |
| 23:26.21 | bzed | probably try to run lvm_activate manually, too |
| 23:26.46 | bzed | uh O_o |
| 23:26.47 | marsje_x | bzed: _the_ device? |
| 23:26.52 | [GABRI] | how i can disable stroke in my hdd= |
| 23:27.21 | bzed | [GABRI]: stroke!? |
| 23:27.38 | bzed | marsje_x: well, your /dev/mapper/lvmdevicename |
| 23:27.49 | marsje_x | bzed: nothing there... |
| 23:27.50 | karsten | marsje_x: You need to activate udev likely. |
| 23:28.09 | acehigh | sup everyone |
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| 23:28.34 | marsje_x | karsten, bzed: active lvm? udev? |
| 23:28.47 | marsje_x | normally everything goes so smoothly and automatic... |
| 23:28.56 | karsten | marsje_x: You're booted single-user or rescue mode at present? |
| 23:29.05 | marsje_x | single user on my new system |
| 23:29.44 | bzed | [GABRI]: you could try smartctl to check if your hdd is still testing itself |
| 23:30.11 | marsje_x | karsten: oops, I mean I'm inBusyBox |
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| 23:31.56 | acehigh | I need some help with dri setup inside debian. I used the following guide: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Debian_Installation_Guide but when i run the last command of aticonfig --initial i get a segment fault error. Any ideas why? |
| 23:32.12 | acehigh | if I put ati or radeon into xorg.conf it will not load the graphics |
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| 23:32.22 | acehigh | If I put fglrx as the driver in xorg.conf then it loads but the screen is black and does not display |
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| 23:33.05 | EdLin | !tell acehigh about drxx |
| 23:33.23 | acehigh | EdLin, already tried that did not work |
| 23:34.43 | marsje_x | karsten: a whle ago I booted in single user mode on my old system, fixed the fstab and rebooted my new system (drives), manually edited the grub config at runtime and then it seems to boot, until the moment it actually will do something on the root partition I guess |
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| 23:34.51 | acehigh | EdLin, all that does is configure the ati driver in which case does not load I get screen not found error |
| 23:35.34 | DawnLight | KPGE:/home/kfir# ifconfig wlan0 address 10.0.0.10 |
| 23:35.34 | DawnLight | address: Unknown host |
| 23:35.35 | DawnLight | ifconfig: `--help' gives usage information. |
| 23:36.03 | DawnLight | don't shout at me, it's only three lines |
| 23:36.05 | EdLin | acehigh: your first mistake was to edit xorg.conf manually - that guide, by the look of the URL, isn't official. |
| 23:36.14 | h3sp4wn | DawnLight: maybe you want to look into arping if you want to find out what is on the network |
| 23:36.14 | EdLin | DawnLight: now its four |
| 23:36.19 | maddash | amphi: any idea if how bad things get if "Hunk 3 of 4" of the linux PHC patch fails? |
| 23:36.28 | maddash | amphi: s/if how/how/ |
| 23:36.39 | DawnLight | but the fourth isn't pasted ;) |
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| 23:36.51 | h3sp4wn | acehigh: what card are you using ? (chipset) |
| 23:37.04 | acehigh | h3sp4wn, ati radeon X1600 |
| 23:37.12 | DawnLight | hi acehigh. how's it going |
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| 23:37.24 | acehigh | DawnLight, ok i guess 3d still not working |
| 23:37.38 | h3sp4wn | acehigh: You have no choice but to use fglrx (if you want 3d or even 2d acceleration) |
| 23:37.43 | acehigh | DawnLight, my question throwing everyone for a loop |
| 23:37.55 | h3sp4wn | acehigh: is the kernel module loaded - 'lsmod | grep fglrx' |
| 23:37.56 | EdLin | acehigh: I think you'll need fglrx on a recent ATI card - blame ATI for going closed-source. |
| 23:38.06 | acehigh | h3sp4wn, understandable but how do i get it to load the screen |
| 23:38.28 | acehigh | h3sp4wn, the driver seems to work just the screen goes blank |
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| 23:38.52 | h3sp4wn | acehigh: what does - 'lsmod | grep fglrx' say ? |
| 23:38.56 | acehigh | EdLin, ATI site has drivers for download ive tried that also same issue |
| 23:39.11 | EdLin | acehigh: what do you mean by "goes blank"? |
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| 23:39.30 | HostilePenguin | how do i find mbr? |
| 23:39.31 | h3sp4wn | using the ati installer is likely to cause a mess |
| 23:39.31 | acehigh | turns off |
| 23:39.31 | DawnLight | i can tell you this acehigh: use fglrx of course if you want good accelaration and don't use the debian packages, because they're old, remember? |
| 23:39.46 | acehigh | DawnLight, i didn't dont worry :) |
| 23:40.26 | acehigh | h3sp4wn, oen sec ill show ya |
| 23:40.36 | HostilePenguin | top |
| 23:40.38 | DawnLight | acehigh: do you know which modules to load? do you know how to configure the xorg.conf? |
| 23:41.03 | h3sp4wn | acehigh: If you have to use the ati.com drivers use the kanotix script - http://kanotix.com/files/install-fglrx-debian.sh |
| 23:41.24 | acehigh | h3sp4wn, fglrx 649532 0 agpgart 30216 1 fglrx |
| 23:43.25 | h3sp4wn | acehigh: did you use ati-config --initial to setup xorg.conf ? |
| 23:43.25 | acehigh | h3sp4wn, yes but it segment faulted |
| 23:43.25 | acehigh | DawnLight, yes i got the modules to load |
| 23:43.25 | DawnLight | acehigh: if your card has both dvi and vga outputs and you are using the vga, perhaps try switching to the dvi with an adapter. that is supposed to be the main output, i think. |
| 23:43.28 | h3sp4wn | acehigh: wget http://kanotix.com/files/install-fglrx-debian.sh (then chmod +x install-fglrx-debian.sh) then ./install-fglrx-debian.sh (should work properly and make deb's for you) |
| 23:43.29 | acehigh | DawnLight, i use dvi |
| 23:44.10 | acehigh | h3sp4wn, you going to be around for a bit? |
| 23:44.15 | DawnLight | sigh... those ati folks... wait until you try to use two monitors... |
| 23:44.27 | h3sp4wn | acehigh: probably why (not tired) |
| 23:44.28 | acehigh | h3sp4wn, im going to eat right fast and then give this a try |
| 23:44.35 | h3sp4wn | acehigh: ok |
| 23:44.50 | acehigh | DawnLight, hehe i would never try that one |
| 23:44.50 | nhuis | anyone ever used gfs on debian? |
| 23:44.50 | acehigh | brb |
| 23:44.55 | enouf | fwiw, if anyone was paying attention to me earlier today, i made a blunder (as i sometimes do) concerning retreiving info from the "udevtest" command to find out info about FS/Partitions .. correct would be "udevtest /block/hdX/hdXx" .. Also instead of cat /dev/disk/*, do "ls -al /dev/disk/*" .. but who's paying attention anyways :-P |
| 23:45.47 | DawnLight | h3sp4wn: whats that you said about arping? |
| 23:45.54 | amphi | enouf: ;) |
| 23:46.16 | enouf | amphi: i did it! \o/ .. |
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| 23:46.25 | h3sp4wn | DawnLight: You should look into it (that is all I am going to say) stealing wireless is offtopic here |
| 23:47.01 | nhuis | weird it seems like debian won't work with my network interfaces using the live cd |
| 23:47.09 | nhuis | using an intel e100 type card |
| 23:47.14 | nhuis | and it just won't find find any mirrors |
| 23:47.29 | enouf | now .. just to figure out where in $(deity)'s name , the "stat" command is getting it's info from .. ahh .. i know, i'll strace it ;-) |
| 23:47.45 | DawnLight | forget stealing. why doesn't "ifconfig wlan0 address 10.0.0.10" work? |
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| 23:49.16 | h3sp4wn | because the syntax is wrong |
| 23:50.22 | DawnLight | help? |
| 23:50.22 | DawnLight | i am reading the man but that's what i understand about the syntax |
| 23:50.22 | r0otz | enouf: for some reason i can not add network printers to my debian 4.0... windows network everything else is windows besides this box |
| 23:50.32 | DawnLight | thats a good reason r0otz :) |
| 23:50.40 | enouf | r0otz: i really don;t know much about that .. aplogies |
| 23:50.40 | DawnLight | hostile environment |
| 23:50.47 | h3sp4wn | DawnLight: ifconfig wlan0 10.0.0.10 |
| 23:51.01 | darrend | hey. I have a box that started life tracking testing, then had a couple of unstable packages and which I've now tried to revert to completely stable... |
| 23:51.18 | enouf | no subnet/netmask? |
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| 23:51.23 | darrend | not sure I did this right as I seem to be missing some updates. What's the best way to check? |
| 23:51.36 | r0otz | enouf: no biggie =))) |
| 23:51.37 | xoz_ | !downgrade |
| 23:51.37 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 23:52.00 | darrend | xoz_: is that aimed at me? |
| 23:52.11 | xoz_ | darrend: yep |
| 23:52.32 | darrend | xoz_: the 'downgrade' was a result of old testing becoming new stable |
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| 23:52.46 | darrend | i just changed sources.list from testing to stable |
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| 23:52.47 | amphi | enouf: did what? |
| 23:52.55 | h3sp4wn | DawnLight: apt-show-versions (might help you) do you can see what is not in the current sources.list |
| 23:52.59 | xoz_ | darrend: that is downgrade |
| 23:53.05 | h3sp4wn | darrend: ^^ |
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| 23:53.52 | h3sp4wn | DawnLight: (mistell) |
| 23:53.52 | enouf | amphi: well .. quite a few thing ;-) |
| 23:53.52 | enouf | er things |
| 23:53.52 | darrend | xoz_: ok, so totally not possible is the simple answer? Would i need to re=install then? |
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| 23:53.52 | amphi | enouf: cool - your researches progress? |
| 23:53.52 | kb1_kanobe | Trivial question - can I use the paritioning tool provided in the installer post-installation? I'm used to using fdisk et al but I'm working with some raid/lvm configs and the text mode paritioner is soooo pretty... |
| 23:53.56 | DawnLight | it worked h3sp4wn. i am pinging clients... |
| 23:53.56 | xoz_ | darrend: it might be possible but reinstall is faster and no PITA |
| 23:54.06 | enouf | amphi: 1. manually overwrote my hdc1 1st 512 with /dev/zero |
| 23:54.08 | darrend | xoz_: ok, THANKS |
| 23:54.18 | darrend | (oops sry for caps lock) |
| 23:54.23 | h3sp4wn | DawnLight: The router will probably be on .1 or .254 |
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| 23:54.44 | acehigh | h3sp4wn, the script did the same thing |
| 23:54.46 | amphi | enouf: splendid ;) |
| 23:54.46 | enouf | amphi: 2. manually edited my /etc/blkid.tab, with success |
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| 23:55.02 | acehigh | when it ran startx it just goes to a black screen |
| 23:55.14 | enouf | amphi: 3. manually deleted some incorrect symlinks in /dv/disk/* |
| 23:55.15 | h3sp4wn | acehigh: did the script appear to work though ? |
| 23:55.20 | enouf | er /dev/disk |
| 23:55.25 | acehigh | h3sp4wn, its like the driver loads but no graphics view |
| 23:55.47 | acehigh | h3sp4wn, yea it finished like it should but ran it as ubuntu/edgy |
| 23:55.47 | DawnLight | i'm getting replies from 10.0.0.138 |
| 23:55.49 | enouf | amphi: 4. added some new correct ones based on UUIDs |
| 23:55.49 | abrotman | is the log any help ? |
| 23:56.33 | kingsley | If anyone here happens to be using the "wikipediafs" package, how do you like it? |
| 23:56.40 | enouf | amphi: 5. rebooted, ran fsck (as per 3 mount settings from tune2fs adjustments) .. which failed! after running all the way through upon reboot |
| 23:56.57 | *** join/#debian tuxd00d (n=tuxinato@128.187.169.195) |
| 23:57.04 | *** join/#debian markybob (i=markybob@unaffiliated/markybob) |
| 23:57.21 | enouf | amphi: 6. performed a recovery mode boot, and gracefully (after again checking edited files), did a nice shutdown -rF now |
| 23:57.33 | amphi | enouf: now that I look at it, there appears to be Wierd Crap in my /etc/blockid.tab |
| 23:57.39 | enouf | amphi: 7. Home stretch babay :-) ... |
| 23:57.57 | enouf | amphi: yep .. and udevtest reads that info, from what i just learned/figured out |
| 23:58.48 | markybob | abrotman: beernuts with no beer? what kind of a friend are you? :) |
| 23:58.59 | h3sp4wn | acehigh: Doesn't make a difference - try http://paste.debian.net/27491 (comment out extmod and add those lines) |
| 23:59.01 | abrotman | markybob: what kind of alcoholic doesn't have beer? :) |
| 23:59.37 | markybob | abrotman: i actually ran out last night. i meant to stop by the store today, but i forgot |
| 23:59.44 | abrotman | cause you were drunk! |
| 23:59.48 | markybob | heh |
| 23:59.53 | enouf | amphi: my "stat"output is still misreporting my HDD's on IDE as major/minor 16,1 (instead of corrected 22,1 (DEVNODE=0x2201) inn /etc/blkid |
