| 00:00.00 | enouf | er blkid.tab |
| 00:00.01 | Sazpaimon | is there any windows program that can extract debs? |
| 00:00.29 | acehigh | h3sp4wn, to the xorg.conf file? |
| 00:00.40 | enouf | amphi: but ls -al file -s both report correctly now ;-) |
| 00:00.42 | markybob | Sazpaimon: powerarchiver |
| 00:00.43 | nhuis | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:00.55 | Sazpaimon | thanks |
| 00:01.29 | h3sp4wn | acehigh: Yes |
| 00:01.33 | amphi | enouf: hmm, these are murky waters ;) |
| 00:01.39 | Sazpaimon | this admin panel has a custom deb file for exim and it's only in i386 architecture |
| 00:01.48 | acehigh | h3sp4wn, k im going to eat right fast and then try |
| 00:01.50 | Sazpaimon | i just want to see how it differs from the original deb |
| 00:01.54 | enouf | amphi: yep .. hence the victory parade ;-) |
| 00:02.10 | amphi | ;) |
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| 00:03.21 | enouf | i went down, got jiggy with it, down-n-dirty, and came up after some battling smelling like roses O.o |
| 00:03.42 | markybob | abrotman: you're a dick...now i'm really in the mood for some and have to go to the store. see ya ;) |
| 00:03.49 | robin_sz | is it tuesday yet? |
| 00:04.11 | h3sp4wn | Sazpaimon: debdiff ? (in devscripts) |
| 00:04.12 | Sazpaimon | markybob, no luck |
| 00:04.19 | enouf | amphi: enjoying a nice refreshing adult beverage are we? |
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| 00:04.21 | Sazpaimon | h3sp4wn, oh? |
| 00:04.26 | Sazpaimon | that's a new one for me |
| 00:04.29 | cafuego | right! |
| 00:04.29 | Sazpaimon | I'll try it out |
| 00:04.32 | enouf | amphi: i am most certainly |
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| 00:05.26 | Sazpaimon | h3sp4wn, do i need to install all of devscripts? |
| 00:05.31 | Sazpaimon | or can i just get debdiff |
| 00:05.45 | h3sp4wn | Sazpaimon: You need all of it |
| 00:05.49 | Sazpaimon | aw |
| 00:05.50 | Sazpaimon | ok |
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| 00:06.46 | anarcat | anyone has an idea why libc6-xen isn't built for amd64? |
| 00:07.04 | anarcat | i can't quite figure it out from qa... |
| 00:07.09 | Sazpaimon | wait a second |
| 00:07.13 | enouf | likely issues with it .. maybe it's in the newer sid versions |
| 00:07.16 | Sazpaimon | exim is platform independent, isnt it? |
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| 00:07.48 | anarcat | packages.d.o says it's i386 only, but not why... |
| 00:07.48 | enouf | i'm just guessing at this point though, i know there were some past pae issues |
| 00:08.11 | enouf | find the changelogs maybe |
| 00:08.18 | anarcat | hum |
| 00:08.40 | enouf | follow the link to the maintainers pages |
| 00:09.04 | anarcat | " * Build a libc6-xen flavour on i386." |
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| 00:09.33 | anarcat | http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/g/glibc/glibc_2.3.6.ds1-13/changelog#versionversion2.3.6-6 |
| 00:10.09 | anarcat | enouf: the packages.qa.debian.org page you mean? can't find anything there.. |
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| 00:10.52 | evilbulgarian | hi, i have two mail servers and am wondering how i can syncronize users's mailboxes between the two |
| 00:11.07 | enouf | anarcat: http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/glibc.html |
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| 00:11.24 | icone | hi |
| 00:11.37 | Sazpaimon | alright so |
| 00:11.38 | Sazpaimon | http://pastebin.ca/478100 |
| 00:11.41 | Sazpaimon | looking at these two files |
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| 00:12.06 | icone | anyone has a or know how to install a umts modem (Novatel Merlim U630) under linux |
| 00:12.06 | Sazpaimon | it seems that the custom deb has a custom config, and different filenames |
| 00:12.07 | icone | ?´ |
| 00:12.18 | Sazpaimon | and it's omitted all the docs and examples |
| 00:12.19 | Sazpaimon | right? |
| 00:13.23 | r0otz | grr |
| 00:13.34 | r0otz | how can i check a status of a certain demon? |
| 00:13.35 | abrotman | markybob: bring me some! |
| 00:13.37 | r0otz | deamon |
| 00:13.44 | abrotman | daemon |
| 00:13.48 | r0otz | or a start script thats already runing with a certain port |
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| 00:14.03 | r0otz | ps aux | grep deamon ? |
| 00:14.10 | abrotman | daemon |
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| 00:14.29 | Sazpaimon | so what would I need to do to edit the custom deb to have an amd64 architecture? |
| 00:14.31 | r0otz | daemon yes |
| 00:14.35 | Sazpaimon | change all the binaries in it? |
| 00:14.45 | abrotman | reocmpile it ? |
| 00:14.55 | acehigh | h3sp4wn, giving it a try now brb |
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| 00:15.03 | anarcat | enouf: yeah i saw that page... doesn't mention the reason... |
| 00:15.05 | Sazpaimon | I dont have the source deb for it, just the binary deb |
| 00:15.06 | nhuis | ug i hate amd64/x64, no one has good working repositories |
| 00:15.23 | r0otz | mm enouf |
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| 00:15.25 | abrotman | nhuis: all of them? |
| 00:15.35 | abrotman | hi Daveman |
| 00:15.36 | r0otz | enouf: how can i see this running and see whats it doin.. port etc .. ' teamspeak2-server_startscript |
| 00:15.39 | r0otz | ' |
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| 00:15.48 | h3sp4wn | Sazpaimon: So ask for it (exim is gpl) |
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| 00:16.08 | Sazpaimon | h3sp4wn, this software states that 64-bit isnt supported in debian :( |
| 00:16.11 | Sazpaimon | so I'm on my own |
| 00:16.12 | nhuis | i just find using it is an annoyance and most of the time you don't even get anything out of going to 64bit |
| 00:16.13 | enouf | anarcat: dunno .. maybe see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=libc6-xen;dist=unstable |
| 00:16.20 | r0otz | enouf: Usage: ./teamspeak2-server_startscript {start|stop|restart|status|passwords} |
| 00:16.25 | r0otz | just do status of it? |
| 00:16.31 | abrotman | try it |
| 00:16.36 | Sazpaimon | well, they stated that BEFORE etch came out, and they havent announced etch support yet |
| 00:17.29 | petemc | Sazpaimon: it wouldnt be too hard to use that config with the debian packaged exim |
| 00:17.33 | Sazpaimon | I suppose i could just install the standard exim package |
| 00:17.39 | Sazpaimon | yeah, what you said |
| 00:17.41 | enouf | r0otz: if it is running ps aux should show it, as well as pstree -lunap and maybe even netstat -tunap |
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| 00:17.53 | Sazpaimon | looking at that debdiff, it seems all it's doing is using a custom conf file |
| 00:17.53 | Daveman | Hi abrotman :) |
| 00:18.10 | r0otz | mm oki dok enouf |
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| 00:18.47 | enouf | r0otz: as root updatedb ; locate teamspeak <--find docs related maybe .. or /usr/share/doc/* |
| 00:19.24 | enouf | i don;t even know what the heck that is .. some kind of comm devices |
| 00:19.24 | r0otz | enouf: updatedb?? what a heck is that |
| 00:19.38 | enouf | man updatedb |
| 00:20.21 | r0otz | enouf: teamspeak is a game clan voice app.. like counter strike.. u get ur own group u can talk with |
| 00:20.38 | enouf | r0otz: thanks .. now go away :-) |
| 00:20.39 | r0otz | enouf: usualy u pay for this crap.. could be pretty spendy if u got lots of users |
| 00:20.46 | r0otz | enouf: oh ill be back =) |
| 00:20.50 | enouf | :-P |
| 00:20.59 | icone | need a litle help here ... have a umts modem pcmcia (novatel merlin u630) . I make the connection and the lights in the modem indicate that it is connected, but I can't see any page in the browser or comunicate thru the modem. Only by the network cable |
| 00:21.23 | icone | can anyone help me ? |
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| 00:22.36 | nn-main | Can some one please test filebin.info irc #test still having extream struggle with hyb serv and i need someone there so i can debug it |
| 00:23.04 | enouf | icone: only thing i can offer http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/ |
| 00:23.07 | nn-main | thanks |
| 00:23.15 | petemc | icone: should both the nic and the modem have full internet connections? |
| 00:24.20 | anarcat | enouf: aaah, i see: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=379444 |
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| 00:24.46 | septic | How do I setup syslogd for receiving logs from another box? |
| 00:25.45 | icone | i have internet by the network card and a router, but when I try to comunicate with the modem that is a pcmcia modem umts, doesn't work or better, it connects to the net but don't let me see any page |
| 00:25.48 | enouf | anarcat: aha .. |
| 00:26.23 | icone | but the modem turns on the light as if was connected to the net |
| 00:26.34 | anarcat | enouf: it seems it's just like that :) |
| 00:28.15 | enouf | anarcat: that's a nice resolution though .. |
| 00:28.15 | karsten | septic: GIYF: http://www.google.com/search?q=remote+syslog+server+linux&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 http://www.aboutdebian.com/syslog.htm |
| 00:28.43 | septic | karsten, thanks, I've already read throuh that page. It doesn't tell how to do it.. |
| 00:29.55 | karsten | septic: Well, we can do one of two things at this point. |
| 00:29.59 | karsten | septic: I can google and read pages back to you. |
| 00:30.01 | karsten | septic: or you can. |
| 00:30.05 | anarcat | enouf: thanks |
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| 00:30.07 | karsten | septic: Which would _you_ prefer? |
| 00:30.20 | septic | karsten, ;) |
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| 00:32.17 | karsten | septic: The syslog manpage is also recommended. |
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| 00:33.10 | acehigh | h3sp4wn, same responce |
| 00:33.24 | acehigh | h3sp4wn, the screen just goes black |
| 00:34.02 | djib | hello. I'm trying to install bootsplash on Etch. I have installed the bootsplash package as well as the kernel patch and the default debian theme, I added the required options in my menu.lst, but I still don't get a splash image during bootup. Do i need to recompile my kernel? What else could have I done wrong? |
| 00:34.27 | nick108 | Hi there, I just read about a perl script that should be available for Apache2 under the support directory |
| 00:34.45 | h3sp4wn | acehigh: 64 bit or 32 bit ? |
| 00:34.50 | nick108 | only problem: I can't find a support directory on my Sarge machine |
| 00:35.22 | nick108 | where should I look beside /etc/apache2 ? |
| 00:35.37 | cafuego | /usr/share/doc/apache2*/contrib |
| 00:35.46 | acehigh | h3sp4wn, 32 |
| 00:35.49 | cafuego | What is the script? |
| 00:36.09 | nick108 | it is not mentioned by name in the apache 2.0 documentation |
| 00:36.23 | acehigh | h3sp4wn, i went with 32 because the probablity that 64 wouldn't support 3d hehe |
| 00:37.15 | cafuego | What is it supposed to do? |
| 00:37.48 | h3sp4wn | acehigh: fglrx does come for amd64 |
| 00:37.59 | nick108 | cafuego: It is supposed to make use of the mod_status' machine readable server-status page at /server-status?auto |
| 00:38.09 | cafuego | ah ok |
| 00:38.27 | nick108 | cafuego: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/mod_status.html |
| 00:38.33 | acehigh | h3sp4wn, i went for ease |
| 00:38.41 | acehigh | h3sp4wn, any ideas though? |
| 00:38.54 | r0otz | ahh enouf did i ask u about enabling a certain port? for example 123 udp .. or 321 tcp? |
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| 00:39.19 | enouf | r0otz: no U didn't jim |
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| 00:39.45 | abrotman | !u |
| 00:39.45 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 00:39.45 | cafuego | I think apache1.3 used to use 'apachectl status' but apache2ctl doesn't seem to do that |
| 00:39.45 | enouf | r0otz: :-) please spell out words |
| 00:39.53 | r0otz | enouf: how do i? because i had this daemon running on a port i wanted.. 123 .. and it woldnt go on that port.. do i gota open it ? give it access? |
| 00:40.04 | amphi | enouf: indeed ;) (I was afk) |
| 00:40.13 | h3sp4wn | acehigh: aticonfig --query-monitor (what happens if you run that - as root) |
| 00:40.19 | enouf | amphi: attaboy \o/ |
| 00:40.30 | acehigh | h3sp4wn, under which situation |
| 00:40.53 | enouf | r0otz: is the daemon running now? |
| 00:40.56 | cafuego | r0otz: You can't run services on ports under 1024 unless those services (initially) run as root user. |
| 00:41.00 | acehigh | h3sp4wn, if i run it now im probalby going to be fine as im running a old xorg.conf file without 3d support |
| 00:41.22 | cafuego | And if you happen to be running ntpd, 123 is in use already |
| 00:41.23 | acehigh | h3sp4wn, I can run it under the other by the backed up xorg.conf i just made |
| 00:41.28 | enouf | r0otz: listen to cafuego |
| 00:41.39 | cafuego | !right |
| 00:41.39 | dpkg | right, (adj): 1) The opposite of left. 2) What cafuego says. |
| 00:41.45 | r0otz | enouf: oki dok understood.. use antying above 1024 |
| 00:41.47 | r0otz | oki dok |
| 00:41.50 | acehigh | h3sp4wn, hehe it said none |
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| 00:42.12 | cafuego | r0otz: Well, anything that's not already in use. |
| 00:42.15 | h3sp4wn | acehigh: Looks like X1600 has issues with the latest drivers |
| 00:42.21 | r0otz | cafuego: 10/4 thanks =)))) |
| 00:42.23 | acehigh | :( |
| 00:42.29 | r0otz | ahh but up t how much? |
| 00:42.31 | r0otz | 3000? |
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| 00:42.37 | enouf | r0otz: what? no okie dokie? :-p |
| 00:42.45 | cafuego | r0otz: No, 64000-ish |
| 00:42.53 | r0otz | enouf: 0_o |
| 00:42.57 | r0otz | cafuego: oki dok =0 |
| 00:43.08 | acehigh | why is it when i install linux it is always a pain to get graphics to work :P |
| 00:43.16 | icone | enouf thank you 4 the sugestion |
| 00:43.25 | r0otz | acehigh: cuz u high =) |
| 00:43.25 | cafuego | acehigh: You have ATI hardware. |
| 00:43.31 | r0otz | acehigh: i never had any problems .. my comptuers arnt that greate |
| 00:43.34 | enouf | acehigh: proprietary blobule madness? |
| 00:43.36 | r0otz | great** |
| 00:43.40 | icone | petemc thanl you |
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| 00:43.46 | icone | thank you |
| 00:43.53 | acehigh | k how is nvidia support? |
| 00:43.53 | enouf | icone: welcome |
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| 00:44.05 | enouf | icone: i don't even recall what i said .. lol |
| 00:44.13 | cafuego | acehigh: I've never had problems with any of my nvidia cards. |
| 00:44.23 | cafuego | acehigh: BUT the driver is not open/free. |
| 00:44.26 | enouf | or when, or for what purpose |
| 00:44.41 | icone | don't take it too hard, but didn't worked too ..... lolol |
| 00:44.43 | acehigh | figures |
| 00:44.57 | enouf | IOW, i'm not singing the infamous skidrow song "i'll remember you" |
| 00:45.03 | icone | but thank's anyway |
| 00:45.06 | nick108 | cafuego: found the file in the apache source archive download |
| 00:45.15 | enouf | icone: what's the issue again? |
| 00:45.17 | petemc | icone: having 2 networks on one computer isnt as simple as activating both |
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| 00:45.24 | nick108 | cafuego: it's name is log_server_status.in and it's not there on Sarge |
| 00:45.30 | cafuego | acehigh: and I don't know how well the intel 950 works these days |
| 00:45.45 | icone | no lol |
| 00:45.48 | icone | not that |
| 00:45.58 | enouf | acehigh: you habe an intel 915 graphices? |
| 00:46.04 | acehigh | cafuego, only reason i ask is i have a nvidia card but really dont want to go to that |
| 00:46.06 | icone | I connect only one at a time |
| 00:46.20 | enouf | bah |
| 00:46.26 | acehigh | as its a low end version |
| 00:46.28 | enouf | acehigh: you have sti |
| 00:46.31 | SwenJashan | hi guys |
| 00:46.33 | enouf | er ati |
| 00:46.40 | acehigh | enouf, yes |
| 00:46.43 | acehigh | X1600 |
| 00:46.46 | cafuego | acehigh: Welp... I can't help you with ATI; I was planning to run a 64bit system a few years back and ATI outright didn't suppoer that back then... so nvidia it was. |
| 00:47.03 | enouf | and what does lspci | grep VGA say? |
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| 00:47.41 | enouf | oh .. does man radeon help? i think not though , offhand |
| 00:48.05 | acehigh | 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV530 [Radeon X1600] |
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| 00:48.12 | septic | karsten, http://www.chinalinuxpub.com/doc/www.siliconvalleyccie.com/linux-hn/logging.htm that page had a nice walkthrough. And now it works fine for me. Thanks |
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| 00:48.18 | cafuego | Nah, I'd say it's too new. |
| 00:48.20 | enouf | cafuego: unfortunately , they've on;ly seemed to get worse too since AMD bought them :-/ |
| 00:48.33 | Buck | which package do I have to install to run php from the shell? |
| 00:48.38 | enouf | rv530? .. whoa |
| 00:48.49 | abrotman | Buck: php5-cgi or php5-cli |
| 00:48.49 | acehigh | why |
| 00:48.51 | icone | either by modem umts (pcmcia Novatel Merlin U630) or by the nic. But only works the nic . i've configured the modem and it turns on a light that in M$ doze means that is connected to the net. I've added init strings to the config, but doesnt comunicate with the net |
| 00:48.54 | cafuego | Buck: php{4,5}-cli |
| 00:49.05 | icone | it's like the modem is disconnected |
| 00:49.13 | Buck | tys |
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| 00:49.33 | karsten | septic: Cool. |
| 00:49.45 | acehigh | enouf, why ya say that? |
| 00:50.19 | enouf | acehigh: nnot sure at all .. but maybe http://technowizah.com/2006/10/debian-how-to-ati-drivers.html |
| 00:51.02 | enouf | acehigh: just that rv530 is way too new for radeon driver, afaik |
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| 00:52.39 | acehigh | enouf, so was 9800 when it first came out but got it working :) |
| 00:52.47 | lu-bao | mh which dvd's do i need to install debian without internet connection required? is dvd 1 enough or do i need these other two too ? (only for system install not for games or special packages) |
| 00:54.20 | enouf | acehigh: i think only the 7xxx and below have full 3s support using ati radeon .. the 8xxx and 9xxxx deries to 2D and limited , iirc |
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| 00:54.20 | enouf | er 3d |
| 00:54.20 | enouf | s/deries/series |
| 00:54.20 | acehigh | enouf, I think you just landed something |
| 00:54.20 | acehigh | let me find my connector |
| 00:54.20 | h3sp4wn | acehigh: try version (8.34.8) |
| 00:54.20 | enouf | !cow |
| 00:54.21 | dpkg | i guess cow is a Turing complete language at http://www.bigzaphod.org/cow/, or http://www.nichtlustig.de/toondb/050529.html, or the apt-get easter egg which says moo |
| 00:54.57 | acehigh | h3sp4wn, not to sound dumb but where can i get that one as the ati site only has .36 |
| 00:55.13 | h3sp4wn | acehigh: are you etch correct ? |
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| 00:55.49 | enouf | lu-bao: dvd1 should have the most popular 8000 packages or so |
| 00:56.01 | lu-bao | which dvd's do i need to install debian4.0 basic standard system with kde without internet connection? |
| 00:56.09 | lu-bao | enouf okay :) |
| 00:56.18 | xarquid | 1 |
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| 00:56.29 | enouf | lu-bao: /msg dpkg dstats etch |
| 00:56.35 | h3sp4wn | acehigh: just edit the script (VER=8.34.8) comment or delete the other |
| 00:56.49 | lu-bao | hope it is enough cause i dont want a message "please insert next cd/dvd" in middle of install cause then my comp were fragged *g* |
| 00:56.49 | enouf | !tell lu-bao -about msg the bot |
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| 00:57.38 | enouf | lu-bao: /msg dpkg cd contents .. i can't guarantee everything you desire is on the first DVD :-P |
| 00:57.42 | hon | sid. I installed linux-libc-dev, and now I have compiling problem with some of the stuff. |
| 00:57.47 | lu-bao | cause i cant go back to previous OS after installing :> |
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| 00:58.01 | enouf | !win lu-bao |
| 00:58.01 | dpkg | Congratulations, lu-bao! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 00:58.07 | lfs | How to find out what drive hd0 is? |
| 00:58.10 | lu-bao | omg lol |
| 00:58.23 | acehigh | h3sp4wn, k give me a sec to look at it |
| 00:58.25 | tacocat | anyone recently set up apache2+ssl? |
| 00:58.25 | enouf | lfs: hd0 is the 1st systme drive |
| 00:58.30 | nhuis | boot into gentoo live cd, eth2 is the only port that works and is 1000mbit, then I boot into debian cd eth0 is now the same port as eth2, and is 100mbit, i boot into xenexpress and eth0 is eth1 |
| 00:58.33 | nhuis | unbelievable |
| 00:58.34 | lfs | Boot drive? |
| 00:58.48 | lfs | Why happens if I change the order of boot drives? |
| 00:58.52 | enouf | lfs: "1st system drive" |
| 00:59.05 | enouf | doesn't matter |
| 00:59.12 | enouf | afaict .. erm |
| 00:59.33 | enouf | it might mess up grub assignment though .. yes |
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| 01:00.31 | acehigh | h3sp4wn, k given it a try brb |
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| 01:00.46 | lfs | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:00.57 | enouf | it's happened to me .. butonly when i messed with teh BIOS advanced DEVICE type boot order (PCI Card, IDE Onboard channel, USB, Network), not the typical "Boot Order" menu though |
| 01:01.06 | lfs | /dev/sdb1 * 1 30402 244196352 7 HPFS/NTFS |
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| 01:01.26 | lfs | HOw come I get errror doesnt know filesystem type? |
| 01:01.41 | enouf | lfs: hd1,0 should mean 2nd system HDD, 1st partition |
| 01:01.56 | lfs | /dev/sdb1? |
| 01:01.59 | enouf | lfs: the device.map file is off |
| 01:02.13 | Buck | this might not be the right place, but my debian etch php is not sending emails, though it is not giving errors either |
| 01:02.16 | Buck | sendmail is installed |
| 01:02.20 | enouf | lfs: pastebin the output of fdisk -l |
| 01:02.30 | lfs | /dev/sdb1 * 1 30402 244196352 7 HPFS/NTFS |
| 01:02.50 | tacocat | Any heard of apache2-ssl-certificate ? |
| 01:02.50 | enouf | lfs: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 01:02.56 | lfs | boot vista |
| 01:03.06 | enouf | lfs: from grub? |
| 01:03.09 | lfs | right |
| 01:03.18 | enouf | lfs: do you know about chainloader +1 ? |
| 01:03.18 | tacocat | Found it as an *easy* installation and set up for https... Can't find it on my debian box. |
| 01:03.34 | lfs | root (hd1,0) |
| 01:03.34 | lfs | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:03.34 | lfs | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:03.46 | enouf | lfs: http://users.bigpond.net.au/hermanzone/p15.htm |
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| 01:04.45 | enouf | try editign hd1,0 to hd0,0 for the heck of it .. you might need to use the Map option |
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| 01:04.56 | acehigh | h3sp4wn, i have to manually download the package |
| 01:05.13 | enouf | lfs: you can hit 'e' in the grub shell and change it temporarily |
| 01:05.16 | h3sp4wn | acehigh: why ? |
| 01:05.27 | acehigh | it can't locate the package |
| 01:05.35 | xerophyte | I have Virtuozzo version guest debian how can i make sure if the iptable support ipt_state? |
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| 01:06.02 | abrotman | !tell gott_ about root |
| 01:06.08 | lfs | Debian is there |
| 01:06.09 | enouf | lfs: see http://goodbye-windows.com ;-) |
| 01:06.23 | abrotman | how does that solve his problem ? |
| 01:06.32 | lfs | root (hd0,0) boots debian |
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| 01:06.54 | enouf | lfs: Blista[tm] sucks ass.. map the drives |
| 01:07.19 | enouf | !be a reading barbie |
| 01:07.19 | dpkg | Aww, reading is HARD! Let's go shopping, enouf |
| 01:07.38 | lfs | map the drives? |
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| 01:07.48 | abrotman | lfs: perhaps you might get more help from asking #grub |
| 01:07.52 | abrotman | enouf: if you don't know .. just say so :) |
| 01:08.03 | acehigh | h3sp4wn, found it |
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| 01:08.33 | rocketmagnet | hi, does someone know how the little apps are called that display some status information on desctop ? |
| 01:08.37 | enouf | lfs: 2 urls containing over 5000 words each (with links to official docs) .. you've read them? |
| 01:08.41 | rocketmagnet | i can't remeber the name |
| 01:08.49 | xarquid | rocketmagnet: desklets? |
| 01:08.58 | lfs | I have read so much crap about this today I am going cross eyed. |
| 01:09.18 | rocketmagnet | and do you know one favorite one ? |
| 01:09.21 | enouf | abrotman: you're just jealous cause i make 147.5K an hour :-) |
| 01:09.32 | xarquid | gdesklets hehe |
| 01:09.36 | rocketmagnet | a favorite one of the community? |
| 01:09.36 | Vasistha | rocketmagnet: what kind of information do you want to display? cpu/memory use? |
| 01:09.44 | tacocat | Anyone ever heard of apache2-ssl-certificate |
| 01:09.51 | rocketmagnet | cpu/memory/active connections |
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| 01:10.10 | rocketmagnet | isn't there one that can output any bash command ? |
| 01:10.11 | enouf | abrotman: i could really go for a philly cheesesteak |
| 01:10.13 | xarquid | which desktop? |
| 01:10.13 | abrotman | enouf: lira ? |
| 01:10.16 | rocketmagnet | i thougt i got such one |
| 01:10.20 | xarquid | enlightment has epplets |
| 01:10.21 | rocketmagnet | gnome |
| 01:10.30 | xarquid | gt gdesklets. |
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| 01:10.52 | lfs | How to tell where the error is coming from? |
| 01:11.05 | Vasistha | tacocat: I think ssl is built into apache2, so a separate module is no longer necessary ... but I'm not sure |
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| 01:11.41 | tacocat | It seems to be, but I can't get the configuration to work. And docs seem surprisingly scare. |
| 01:11.49 | stew | tacocat: "a2enmod ssl" |
| 01:11.53 | tacocat | I have SSL cert loaded, but I get a error |
| 01:11.55 | enouf | abrotman: nah .. just a janitor ...with the realization that i can throw a fastball over 85mph ;-) |
| 01:12.27 | tacocat | already enabled.... |
| 01:12.36 | Vasistha | tacocat: maybe this will help: http://mario.espaciolinux.com/apache2_ssl.html |
| 01:12.44 | abrotman | enouf: who cares .. can you put it where it belongs ? |
| 01:12.56 | enouf | abrotman: point |
| 01:12.58 | xarquid | lol |
| 01:13.07 | enouf | abrotman: and yes .. yes i can ;-) |
| 01:13.13 | lfs | I can run grub from Debian? |
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| 01:13.32 | abrotman | lfs: yes |
| 01:13.34 | Vasistha | lfs: yes, you can |
| 01:13.35 | enouf | sure lfs .. do "msg dpkg fixmbr" |
| 01:13.36 | hon | what has been changed about linux headers from 2.6.18 to 2.6.20 ? |
| 01:13.40 | epsilon | I have an understanding question about etch's crypto filesystem: it's physical partition on hd -> LVM/Physical Volume -> LVM/Volume Group -> LVM/Logical Volume -> dm-crypt? |
| 01:13.49 | enouf | lfs . er "/msg dpkg fixmbr" |
| 01:14.55 | lfs | That looks like good stuff. I did it differently, |
| 01:15.03 | lfs | Can I just do that over it. |
| 01:15.24 | Vasistha | lfs: do you mean to ask, can you just rewrite the mbr with grub? yes. |
| 01:15.26 | epsilon | I don't understand why I check the "dmsetuo info" I get crypted partition on each LVM *and* dev/dhaX - why is dmcsrypt accessg hdaX directly? |
| 01:15.35 | tacocat | Vasistha: That's what I found. But I'm not sure that I have the certificate working correctly. |
| 01:15.59 | tacocat | I created a self signed certificate .pem and used SSLCeterificateChanFile... |
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| 01:16.29 | Vasistha | tacocat: hum. well, I don't really know the ropes. You might ask in #apache or perhaps someone else will jump in and hel[ |
| 01:16.33 | Vasistha | *help |
| 01:16.34 | rocketmagnet | can i get some default gdesklets also with apt-get ? |
| 01:16.35 | enouf | abrotman: so for homemade style philly, whatcha think? steakum crapola + spray on cheese? or real tenderloin strips sliced, with real vermont cheddar? |
| 01:16.35 | lfs | mount --bind /dev /target/dev What does this one do? |
| 01:17.23 | enouf | lfs: that binds your /dev to the new mount target |
| 01:17.25 | Vasistha | rocketmagnet: "default"? dunno. but if you find any on the net that look nice, you can always do a p.d.o search for them and see if they're packaged for debian (many are) |
| 01:17.28 | abrotman | enouf: depends how much you want to spend .. but cheddar isn't cheesesteak cheese |
| 01:17.36 | enouf | lfs: no damage |
| 01:17.54 | arencinosa | hi!, can any of you tell me how to select a port for my own app? |
| 01:18.14 | enouf | abrotman:please do tell .. it's been so long, i've forgotten .. it's nnot american cheese ,., is it? |
| 01:18.18 | torrr | Hi |
| 01:18.49 | abrotman | enouf: depends .. you can use cheezwhiz, american, provolone, mozerella or swiss |
| 01:18.53 | lfs | So grub-install should find vista and install it? |
| 01:18.55 | torrr | Is etch being frozen means no updates for software versions like evolutions mail and such? |
| 01:18.56 | enouf | yellow amer .. fresh land-o-lakes only |
| 01:19.05 | abrotman | torrr: /msg dpkg meaning of stable |
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| 01:19.11 | rocketmagnet | Vasistha: i need a starting point to play with |
| 01:19.24 | Vasistha | rocketmagnet: gnome-look.org and click on desklets |
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| 01:19.44 | Vasistha | rocketmagnet: although there isn't much there I see :( |
| 01:20.31 | enouf | abrotman: provo is great with salami or pepperoni, and or maybe even a reuben (swiss usually), but i usually leave the mozzarella for italian . it's mild yet quite oily |
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| 01:20.57 | abrotman | enouf: and then there's the question of onions :) |
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| 01:21.02 | enouf | and heavy |
| 01:21.10 | enouf | abrotman: oh .. that's a given! |
| 01:21.18 | enouf | always onions |
| 01:21.23 | abrotman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheesesteak#Cheese |
| 01:21.23 | lfs | That is good page about grub, I was googling all day about vista linux dual boot and couldnt find anything good, I even bought linux Magazine and not so great. |
| 01:21.35 | enouf | and garlic even .. if i can help it |
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| 01:22.23 | enouf | abrotman: white american though? i just don't see it |
| 01:22.41 | Vasistha | rocketmagnet: oh, here's a popular one: http://members.dslextreme.com/users/billw/gkrellm/gkrellm.html |
| 01:22.47 | enouf | emphasis on white |
| 01:22.49 | abrotman | enouf: it's good .. i've eaten cheesesteak pizza with white american |
| 01:23.01 | acehigh | brb |
| 01:23.07 | enouf | abrotman: yeah .. but it doesn't look right to me :-/ |
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| 01:23.46 | reiser2 | hi |
| 01:24.02 | abrotman | enouf: it's good |
| 01:24.04 | arencinosa | please, I need to get an unused port number for my own app |
| 01:24.12 | enouf | it's kinda like purple tunafish ...but not that bad ;-) |
| 01:24.31 | torrr | abrotman, I thought stable means that the stability of the computer ie. no funy crushes due to untested features |
| 01:24.32 | arencinosa | but I don't know which to use |
| 01:24.46 | torrr | abrotman, so what does testing means?' |
| 01:24.55 | rocketmagnet | Vasistha: is the interface with perl ? so i can make my own queries ? |
| 01:25.10 | abrotman | torrr: it means it is testing ? |
| 01:25.13 | Vasistha | arencinosa: Probably choose something in the 20,000 - 30,000+ range; pick something at random, do a google search for "port 32195" and see if it comes up with anything well-known. If not, sounds good |
| 01:25.29 | reiser2 | abrotman: hi |
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| 01:25.37 | reiser2 | i have a question about mozilla |
| 01:25.45 | abrotman | so ask already! |
| 01:25.47 | Vasistha | rocketmagnet: geez, I have no idea. I guess it comes with a gkrellmd which some person has even interfaced with php |
| 01:25.54 | reiser2 | i am using an application (php) |
| 01:25.54 | torrr | abrotman, how can I be stable ,and selectivly upgrade stuff? |
| 01:26.09 | stew | torrr: /msg dpkg backports |
| 01:26.13 | reiser2 | but Ñ appear like ? |
| 01:26.17 | rocketmagnet | Vasistha: how to find gdesklets with apt-cache search ? |
| 01:26.31 | reiser2 | this app is using ñ |
| 01:26.40 | stew | torrr: in debian, stable doesn't mean "not crashing" but "not changing" |
| 01:26.41 | arencinosa | Vasistha: well, I can do that, but what about selecting some predictable port? |
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| 01:26.55 | arencinosa | Vasistha: my app is named 'jash' |
| 01:26.58 | Vasistha | arencinosa: uhm, what makes a port predictable? |
| 01:27.06 | asg | rocketmagnet: apt-cache search gdesklets |
| 01:27.15 | arencinosa | Vasistha: and it is on python |
| 01:27.44 | arencinosa | Vasistha: I was wondering about to pick a port related with 'jash' string and python |
| 01:27.57 | Decepticon | is the debian logo golden ratio spiral? |
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| 01:28.00 | Vasistha | arencinosa: I don't believe there is any consensus-sanctioned algorithm for determining what port number to use with an app with a given name. Just pick something. |
| 01:28.17 | asg | Decepticon: close enough |
| 01:28.21 | nn-main | Boy did i have a struggle with irc tonight ! AUG had to reinstall the hole irc by a difrent package then reconfig the hole thing MAN! well the reason im here is i need some one to test it filebin.info #test |
| 01:28.28 | enouf | reiser2: i'd guess you're missing some fonts, or your locale settings are not correct |
| 01:28.32 | Decepticon | its very pleasing, the golden spiral :) |
| 01:28.34 | BlueParrot | spent 1 hour trying to work out why my sound wasn't working, turns out the volume was set to 0 : / |
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| 01:28.41 | arencinosa | Vasistha: hmm, ok, thanks |
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| 01:28.57 | nn-main | lol ive had times like that |
| 01:29.11 | cwheeler | what's the debian program for configuring X called? |
| 01:29.11 | enouf | reiser2: mostly though missing various support for certain fonts |
| 01:29.21 | Vasistha | !drxx |
| 01:29.22 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 01:29.32 | cgriffin | reiser2: will be online soon. any asterisk luck? |
| 01:29.33 | BlueParrot | !unstable |
| 01:29.33 | dpkg | well, unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid. see sid faq. |
| 01:29.33 | cwheeler | thanks |
| 01:29.35 | abrotman | BlueParrot: do you feel silly ? |
| 01:29.43 | BlueParrot | abrotman: just a little ... |
| 01:29.47 | abrotman | :) |
| 01:29.57 | nn-main | well can some one help me test ! |
| 01:30.12 | cgriffin | reiser2: This is mfrisch ;-) |
| 01:30.24 | enouf | yiles |
| 01:30.26 | nn-main | abrotman, ?? can you |
| 01:30.40 | abrotman | doubtful |
| 01:30.52 | enouf | dumbass impersonator |
| 01:31.09 | nn-main | all i need is for some one to login and say hi then i know it works lol |
| 01:31.17 | BlueParrot | !testing |
| 01:31.17 | dpkg | i heard testing is a release/suite between stable and unstable. testing currently points to lenny. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release. |
| 01:31.18 | reiser2 | cgriffin: are you mfrisch ? |
| 01:31.39 | reiser2 | cgriffin: well |
| 01:31.40 | enouf | BlueParrot: /msg dpkg selftell |
| 01:31.49 | lu-bao | debian4.0 "etch" is stable now? |
| 01:31.50 | reiser2 | i am finishing with gnugk first |
| 01:31.58 | cgriffin | reiser2: yup am going to be google after dinner. |
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| 01:32.22 | BlueParrot | enouf: ah, ok |
| 01:32.41 | cgriffin | reiser2: well off for dinner. be online later ;-) |
| 01:32.46 | reiser2 | ok |
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| 01:33.13 | lfs | cant I just run grub-install from Debian? |
| 01:33.22 | Vasistha | lfs: yes |
| 01:33.28 | torrr | if stable doesn't mean not crushing... Where/how can I get stability reputation for a package/version? |
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| 01:33.38 | Vasistha | lfs: you can even man grub-install |
| 01:33.48 | lfs | too hard |
| 01:34.03 | enouf | lfs: it's actually easier form the grub shell |
| 01:35.01 | Vasistha | lfs: while it appears difficult on the surface, spending a good 5 minutes reading the rather short manpage and trying to understand/figure out the options you need will probably save you time in the long run. Or you could just boot a grub floppy and install from there. |
| 01:35.54 | stew | torrr: /msg dpkg bts |
| 01:36.10 | enouf | type "device (hd<tab>" (your drive) , then "root (hd<tab>" (where /boot/grub resides), then "setup (hd<tab>" |
| 01:37.44 | enouf | lfs: can also grub> --help |
| 01:37.45 | enouf | lfs: find /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 01:38.28 | enouf | ok |
| 01:38.37 | enouf | !cheesesteaksmite me |
| 01:38.43 | enouf | meh.. |
| 01:38.49 | enouf | !cheesesteak me |
| 01:39.00 | enouf | thank you dpkg |
| 01:39.00 | dpkg | de rien, enouf |
| 01:39.02 | nhuis | boy the debian gui installer sure is buggy |
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| 01:39.27 | enouf | nhuis: and jo'momma has bugs in her beard |
| 01:39.47 | arencinosa | Vasistha: sorry, but which was the port range you told me? |
| 01:39.48 | nhuis | i told her to shave it before she goes to your house, damnit when will she ever listen |
| 01:40.04 | Vasistha | arencinosa: something high. 20,000 or higher |
| 01:40.50 | nhuis | does anyone here use debian in a production environment? |
| 01:40.58 | Vasistha | !anyone use debian |
| 01:40.59 | dpkg | No, no one uses debian, not even the people who use it. |
| 01:41.03 | Vasistha | teehee |
| 01:41.11 | nhuis | hehe |
| 01:41.16 | Vasistha | nhuis: just ask your real question. quite a number do. |
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| 01:43.40 | rommel | is there a livcd using sid |
| 01:43.52 | nhuis | I guess i'm just curious what sort of setups people have, how they are managing updates/security patches, virtualization, config changes. |
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| 01:44.34 | acu | I have a DVD with an outline.htm which points to different htmls which have embeded video in them - if I copy the containt of the DVD to the hardisk the links point to the right place - but I got a mesage that they are not recongnized - is any solution for this |
| 01:45.05 | cafuego | nhuis: cheap-ass P3, security mailing list + apt-get, vmware server, svn. |
| 01:45.36 | abrotman | rommel: not likely |
| 01:45.47 | rommel | acu, whats not recognized... the format of the embedded video ? |
| 01:45.56 | nhuis | ps3 hehe |
| 01:45.58 | Vasistha | nhuis: I'm sure they vary just as much as any configurations might. It's worth noting that the debian maintainers roll xen kernels, which should be an indication of some amount of demand for virtualization |
| 01:46.21 | cafuego | nhuis: No, ps3 would be far more powerful then the main server |
| 01:46.27 | asg | nhuis: I still run a large DNS environment on a Pentium 300Mhz with 64M |
| 01:46.30 | rommel | yeah it would |
| 01:46.49 | nhuis | oh, i read ps3 |
| 01:46.51 | nhuis | nm :P |
| 01:47.01 | acu | rommel: no, the outline.html is pointing to other.html which points to video the "other.htlml" is not lokated |
| 01:47.19 | asg | nhuis: the ps3 would be more than enough for that task |
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| 01:47.26 | Vasistha | it wouldn't surprise me to learn that someone has installed linux on a ps3, but it's unlikely that it'll ever be in debian |
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| 01:47.38 | nhuis | they support linux out of the box |
| 01:47.50 | maddash | Vasistha: why the feck not? |
| 01:47.56 | Vasistha | shows how much I know about ps3 |
| 01:48.01 | nhuis | it's just too bad those asshats at sony didn't give us access to the graphics card directly instead of through a virtual frame buffer |
| 01:48.12 | nhuis | otherwise you could easily run a hd myth tv box off it |
| 01:48.18 | rommel | acu, how are you copying the dvd to the hard drive... are you using dd then mounting with loop |
| 01:48.30 | nhuis | as is you can barely playback video at normal tv res |
| 01:48.49 | acu | rommel: no, I just DRAG and DROP them all to the hard disk |
| 01:49.01 | rommel | acu, thats probably why |
| 01:49.28 | rommel | ps3 has nvidia grphics |
| 01:49.47 | acu | rommel: is any "non-geeky" way to mount with loop ? |
| 01:49.50 | abrotman | Vasistha: what's doom ? |
| 01:49.58 | rommel | shouldnt be hard to get it working correctly in linux |
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| 01:50.22 | Vasistha | abrotman: one of the original first-person shooters, from the mid or late 90's? |
| 01:50.31 | nhuis | rommel they don't give you access to the lower hardware |
| 01:50.33 | rommel | acu, well first youj need to use dd to get the dvd image to the drive then you just need loop support in your kernel |
| 01:50.47 | rommel | its not terribly geeky |
| 01:51.19 | nhuis | question: why would debian ask for the netbook installer cd when I do an apt-get for some packages? How can I tell it to just look on the internet repository |
| 01:51.23 | abrotman | Vasistha: sounds boring |
| 01:51.46 | rommel | nhuis, well i havent bought one yet but i am guessing someone has acceleration working with it |
| 01:51.56 | nhuis | i just looked into it, and nope |
| 01:52.00 | DawnLight | how can i limit bandwidth for an interface? |
| 01:52.04 | nhuis | i really wanted to make it into a myth tv box |
| 01:52.07 | abrotman | trickle |
| 01:52.09 | Vasistha | abrotman: heh, I wouldn't know -- as I said, I kinda stopped playing video games around that time |
| 01:52.22 | abrotman | Vasistha: pr0n addict eh ? |
| 01:52.28 | nhuis | i loaded up doslinux and played some of the original id games a few days ago |
| 01:52.34 | nhuis | boy was that a big jump backwards |
| 01:52.49 | rommel | DawnLight, wiretie the cable.. tighter for less loosen for more? |
| 01:52.51 | rommel | :D |
| 01:52.54 | nhuis | castle wolftenstein and earlier |
| 01:53.19 | DawnLight | rommel: i would but its wireless |
| 01:53.32 | rommel | duuupe |
| 01:53.57 | Vasistha | abrotman: depends how you define addict. am I an addict if I spontaneously go a month without it? I'm not really sure. I *am* trying to figure out how to repartition my drive so I have a little more space for pron, though, like maybe about 6 GB instead of 5 |
| 01:54.01 | lfs | grub> geometry (hd |
| 01:54.01 | lfs | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:54.11 | abrotman | Vasistha: i was joking .. TMI! |
| 01:54.26 | abrotman | Vasistha: however .. if you must play an old FPS .. Rise of the Triad is the way to go :) |
| 01:54.26 | Vasistha | abrotman: ask a silly question... |
| 01:54.27 | lfs | Is that because I am using a wiindows terminal? |
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| 01:55.35 | Vasistha | abrotman: I actually did play a little bit of nintendo 64 when my little brother bought it. I was kinda sad that I didn't really have the impetus to play video games anymore, because those games were pretty neat :P |
| 01:55.41 | nhuis | laf |
| 01:55.48 | CompWizrd | there was a doom port for my digital camera many years ago |
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| 01:55.50 | nhuis | yeah I played rise of the triad |
| 01:56.06 | nhuis | so why don't you play games now? |
| 01:57.23 | DawnLight | how can i limit bandwidth for an interface? |
| 01:57.48 | lfs | drive 0x81: C/H/S = 30401/255/63, The number of sectors = 488397168, /dev/sdb |
| 01:57.49 | lfs | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:57.49 | nhuis | oh i just had to remove the cdrom as a source list |
| 01:58.00 | lfs | How come it doesnt know filestystem type? |
| 01:58.14 | nhuis | not supported by the kernel? |
| 01:58.16 | maddash | "The popular videogame "Doom" is based loosely around the time Satan borrowed two bucks from Vin Diesel and forgot to pay him back." |
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| 01:59.54 | gravity | hahahahaha |
| 02:00.05 | nhuis | probably ntfs and grub eh |
| 02:00.32 | arencinosa | Vasistha: thanks again! |
| 02:00.45 | lfs | I am not sure that grub works with vista |
| 02:01.03 | rommel | yeah it does |
| 02:01.27 | nhuis | <3 synaptics |
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| 02:01.44 | rommel | same setup as if it were nt/xp whatever |
| 02:01.46 | Decepticon | can someone tell me if http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ overwrites my windows partition or does it install debian alongside my other os's ? |
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| 02:01.50 | Fetrovsky | howdy |
| 02:01.55 | acehigh | h3sp4wn, you still here? |
| 02:02.04 | Fetrovsky | how do I install sshd? it wasn't there after install |
| 02:02.16 | nhuis | http://goodbye-microsoft.com/more.html |
| 02:02.17 | maddash | Fetrovsky: well, what did you install? |
| 02:02.17 | rocketmagnet | what are the other apps beside gdesklets for doing this ? i had a very simple one, i don't like so many different stuff... and not realy well configurable |
| 02:02.28 | abrotman | Fetrovsky: openssh-server |
| 02:02.33 | nhuis | that's pretty hilarious i never knew that site existed |
| 02:02.39 | Fetrovsky | maddash: i installed debian :) |
| 02:02.44 | Fetrovsky | abrotman: thanks i'll try that |
| 02:02.46 | abrotman | Decepticon: if you don't know .. don't use it |
| 02:02.49 | maddash | Fetrovsky: don't be idiotic. |
| 02:02.58 | maddash | rocketmagnet: adesklets |
| 02:03.00 | Decepticon | abrotman, there is no readme on the site, thats why im asking |
| 02:03.02 | rocketmagnet | there is one that shows cpu state, and also custom stuff like netstat - |
| 02:03.04 | nhuis | i dunno it the screenshots show a choise |
| 02:03.06 | nhuis | choice |
| 02:03.10 | nhuis | between your old os and debian |
| 02:03.13 | lfs | grub> find /ntldr |
| 02:03.13 | lfs | find /ntldr |
| 02:03.13 | lfs | Error 15: File not found |
| 02:03.14 | maddash | rocketmagnet: gkrell* |
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| 02:03.23 | lfs | What does that mean? |
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| 02:03.38 | Decepticon | nhuis, thats only the choice between loading hte installer and the original os |
| 02:03.42 | Decepticon | what happens after the installer completes? |
| 02:03.49 | Fetrovsky | maddash: why idiotic? |
| 02:03.50 | Decepticon | does it wipe out |
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| 02:03.53 | abrotman | Decepticon: it doesn't say .. i wouldn't use it if i weren't sure |
| 02:03.58 | rommel | Fetrovsky, specifically what version arch etc of debian did you install |
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| 02:04.11 | Jaszbo | ?j #solaris |
| 02:04.16 | Jaszbo | sorry |
| 02:04.20 | acehigh | nhuis, now that is funny |
| 02:04.26 | Decepticon | abrotman what if i use it on a vmware image of winxp? |
| 02:04.33 | abrotman | that's up to you |
| 02:04.52 | Fetrovsky | rommel: debian-40r0-i386 |
| 02:04.56 | maddash | Fetrovsky: if you can't figure out what went wrong with your answer to my question, you should probably stay with windows. |
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| 02:05.08 | abrotman | maddash: knock it off |
| 02:05.22 | maddash | abrotman: only when I'm wrong. |
| 02:05.28 | abrotman | you're being a fucktard |
| 02:05.39 | maddash | abrotman: and you're embarassing yourself. |
| 02:06.00 | abrotman | no .. you're being mean to someone for no good reason .. he asked a legit question .. and you're being an ass about it |
| 02:06.17 | Fetrovsky | maddash: you're the one embarassing yourself... i'm new to debian, not to *nix |
| 02:06.19 | abrotman | maddash: you could have just answered his question and been done with it |
| 02:06.34 | maddash | abrotman: maybe you should put on a pair of glasses and re-read the dialogue. |
| 02:06.37 | Fetrovsky | yeah, like abrotman did |
| 02:06.45 | abrotman | maddash: i already did |
| 02:07.04 | nhuis | http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2007/01/install-debian-from-within-windows.html |
| 02:07.10 | abrotman | Fetrovsky: did you get what you needed ? |
| 02:07.10 | nhuis | google is your friend... |
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| 02:07.22 | nhuis | basically it gives a choice of wiping it out or dual booting |
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| 02:07.32 | nhuis | from inside the installer |
| 02:07.50 | Fetrovsky | abrotman: yeah, thanks a lot |
| 02:07.50 | gravity | maddash: If people are having trouble, turning them away isn't ok. |
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| 02:08.42 | maddash | 22:01:56 <Fetrovsky> how do I install sshd? it wasn't there after install <--- am I the only one who sees the possibility that he installed the *wrong* package? or perhaps he already installed ssh-server but it wasn't working for him? |
| 02:09.04 | nhuis | apt-get install openssh |
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| 02:09.12 | abrotman | he asked how to install it .. he didn't suggest he installed it and it didn't work |
| 02:09.17 | maddash | way to expose your short-sightedness, abrotman, markybob, Fetrovsky |
| 02:09.28 | stew | maddash: drop it. please try to keep it constructive |
| 02:09.28 | Fetrovsky | maddash: that was supposed to mean ---> I installed debian, and sshd wasn't there... how do I go about installing it? |
| 02:09.35 | abrotman | if he had replied "Yeah, i tried installing openssh-server, but it's not starting" .. then dig deeper |
| 02:09.37 | stew | Fetrovsky: please just ignore him and move one |
| 02:09.43 | rommel | muhahaha |
| 02:09.43 | stew | ^one^on |
| 02:09.46 | nhuis | or maybe it is just ssh |
| 02:09.46 | Fetrovsky | stew: word |
| 02:09.48 | nhuis | not openssh |
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| 02:12.15 | stew | abrotman: congrats on your typing rate |
| 02:12.37 | Vasistha | Decepticon: it seems like I read somewhere that goodbye-windows basically runs a netinstall cd image -- which would give you the choice of how to partition the drive. I'm fairly certain it's not going to destroy your windoze partition without warning you. Although I'm not sure where one can verify that |
| 02:12.43 | abrotman | stew: ? |
| 02:12.54 | Decepticon | ill try it on vmware later i guess |
| 02:12.55 | nhuis | http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2007/01/install-debian-from-within-windows.html |
| 02:13.07 | abrotman | stew: i had a typing class in seventh grade :) |
| 02:13.08 | Fetrovsky | stew: whas that about being strongly-typed? |
| 02:13.25 | Fetrovsky | abrotman: read Maddash's quit msg |
| 02:13.46 | Fetrovsky | actually, i did too... |
| 02:13.53 | abrotman | I DEFINE REALITY! |
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| 02:14.00 | abrotman | !beer stew |
| 02:14.04 | asg | abrotman: with cake? |
| 02:14.31 | abrotman | the cake helps with reality .. honestly it does |
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| 02:16.58 | lfs | Should grub know file type for Vista? |
| 02:16.59 | NefariousPrior | http://www.goodbye-microsoft.com/ |
| 02:17.13 | rocketmagnet | gn8 all |
| 02:17.15 | rocketmagnet | bye |
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| 02:17.31 | nhuis | gnate to you too :P |
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| 02:18.15 | nhuis | where does debian store it's network config scripts |
| 02:18.24 | Xulfa | how do I get the screen that configures the sources.list |
| 02:18.32 | nhuis | vi /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 02:18.41 | stew | nhuis: /etc/network/ ; man interfaces |
| 02:18.59 | Xulfa | nhuis: the GUI that has a list of the mirrors |
| 02:19.08 | NefariousPrior | nano /etc/network/interfaces |
| 02:19.43 | nhuis | ah yeah I was in that file but it there was none configured so I didn't recognize it |
| 02:19.44 | nhuis | thx |
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| 02:20.27 | Mutantx | can anyone help me on how I can mount ChildFolder that's under //Server/ParentFolder to /mnt/ContentOfChildFolder ? |
| 02:20.34 | Xulfa | where is apt-setup in etch? |
| 02:20.45 | asg | Xulfa: it isn't |
| 02:21.44 | Xulfa | what do I use as replacement? |
| 02:21.48 | asg | Xulfa: /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 02:22.05 | lfs | What is apt-setup? |
| 02:22.08 | abrotman | maybe we should put a dirge in dpkg for apt-setup |
| 02:22.10 | abrotman | !apt-setup |
| 02:22.10 | dpkg | it has been said that apt-setup is a means of adding deb/deb-src lines to your /etc/apt/sources.list so that you can install packages from the internet. To install from a cd-rom ask me about 'apt-cdrom'. no longer available in testing/unstable since base-config was removed, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/01/msg00199.html. Gone from etch and sid. |
| 02:22.35 | lfs | That sounds good. Why idid it get tossed? |
| 02:22.44 | asg | lfs: an artifact of pre-etch's installer that still hung around afterwards. People relied on it to create their sources.list. |
| 02:23.06 | abrotman | lfs: gone because no one picked it up i guess |
| 02:23.29 | Xulfa | what do I use as replacement? |
| 02:23.44 | abrotman | vi |
| 02:23.51 | asg | Xulfa: there isn't one. Edit your sources.list by hand based on the examples and docs in /usr/share/doc/apt |
| 02:23.54 | abrotman | or use apt-spy (which can take awhile) |
| 02:24.08 | Xulfa | there isn't a list of mirrors on the system |
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| 02:24.13 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 02:24.13 | dpkg | methinks debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 02:24.16 | asg | Xulfa: there is |
| 02:24.25 | Xulfa | asg: where? |
| 02:24.28 | Xulfa | ah |
| 02:24.31 | Xulfa | thats retarded |
| 02:24.48 | Xulfa | I have to text browse the mirrors website ? |
| 02:24.57 | abrotman | man .. all i get with `locate mirror` is a bunch of stuff for mirrormagic |
| 02:25.10 | Xulfa | and write down a massive link ? |
| 02:25.38 | nhuis | that example file has mirrors that work |
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| 02:25.39 | abrotman | Xulfa: use the examples on your filesystem |
| 02:25.46 | nhuis | /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 02:27.07 | Xulfa | it didn't work |
| 02:27.10 | Xulfa | this is a mess |
| 02:27.28 | Xulfa | there was no reason to remove apt-setup |
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| 02:27.46 | abrotman | we know! |
| 02:28.36 | asg | Xulfa: it wasn't removed, it just was never a part of Debian, just a leftover artifact of the pre-etch installer that etch's new single pass installer didn't need to leave behind. |
| 02:28.36 | abrotman | it went away with base-install |
| 02:28.36 | stew | Xulfa: the author never inteded for it to be used after the install, and wasn't interested in maintaining it. if anyone were to volunteer to fork it and maintain it we could have it back |
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| 02:28.36 | stew | Xulfa: but nobody has volunteered to fork it or write a replacement yet |
| 02:28.45 | Azar | what? no mo' apt-setup? :) |
| 02:29.03 | NefariousPrior | Anyone know how I can change my default browser? |
| 02:29.07 | abrotman | in what ? |
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| 02:29.16 | NefariousPrior | etch |
| 02:29.17 | asg | NefariousPrior: update-alternatives (most likely) |
| 02:29.21 | nhuis | laters people |
| 02:29.26 | NefariousPrior | asg: thanks |
| 02:29.27 | abrotman | NefariousPrior: is gnome part of the equation ? |
| 02:29.48 | abrotman | if not .. update-alternatives for x-www-browser |
| 02:29.50 | NefariousPrior | abotman: installed, but not used.It currently defaults to konquerer. |
| 02:30.04 | NefariousPrior | k |
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| 02:30.16 | abrotman | NefariousPrior: no .. gnome has a special place for default browser for some gnome apps |
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| 02:30.29 | libervisco | Hi |
| 02:30.46 | libervisco | What could be the reason for my glxgears not to show FPS? |
| 02:30.46 | asg | abrotman: what, in a VW bug? |
| 02:30.48 | libervisco | it doesn't show anything |
| 02:30.52 | asg | libervisco: it doesn't anymore |
| 02:31.03 | abrotman | asg: i'll bribe with beer! |
| 02:31.13 | abrotman | !glxgears |
| 02:31.13 | dpkg | from memory, glxgears is an opengl demo. it is not a good benchmark, in fact in recent versions of glxgears you must pass it the -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark flag in order to get it to report fps information. now located in the mesa-utils package. |
| 02:31.29 | stoned | usually failures of glxgears is caused by direct rendering not present or GLX module not loaded |
| 02:31.42 | stoned | s/is/are |
| 02:31.50 | asg | abrotman: heh |
| 02:32.05 | libervisco | hehe funny |
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| 02:32.10 | libervisco | thanks abrotman |
| 02:32.12 | abrotman | or -printfps :) |
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| 02:32.34 | libervisco | I wanted to supply this website with my infos http://www.free3d.org/ |
| 02:32.46 | libervisco | and their script uses glxgears.. |
| 02:32.56 | abrotman | asg: i'm going to try to go in early so i can go biking before i *poof* for five days while my mom/family is here |
| 02:33.17 | asg | abrotman: ah, cool. See you on the flipside |
| 02:33.43 | abrotman | asg: if i survive |
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| 02:34.02 | abrotman | asg: on the plus side .. i get to eat at IRON CHEF MORIMOTO'S!!! |
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| 02:34.24 | abrotman | is that .. bob-lob-lian .. or bo-blob-lian ? |
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| 02:34.38 | zuzuzuyo | hello everyody, how can i find out whether my (custom) kernel supports traffic shaping? |
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| 02:35.43 | kamoricks | How should I go about installing the acpid update? It fails because the modules are already loaded, and they load on boot. |
| 02:35.44 | Chicago | Hi, I was here earlier this weekend and needed to -add a member to my RAID array using mdadm. But, after I left my apartment while the RAID was presumably rebuilding, I didn't worry anymore... when I came back home, drive 0 had crashed with the drive heads hitting and clicking! ouch. So, I booted back in and now have only 3 of the 4 disks... and don't even know if the rebuild finished successfully. |
| 02:35.44 | abrotman | Chicago: does it boot? |
| 02:35.45 | Chicago | So, now when I boot... I still have the old /etc/raidtab and I need some help getting that setup right. |
| 02:35.47 | NefariousPrior | Just wiped Windows for good. Looking for replacement for utorrent. Suggestions? |
| 02:35.56 | Chicago | abrotman: I had a backup of the OS partition on disk1.... |
| 02:36.01 | abrotman | NefariousPrior: GUI or CLI ? |
| 02:36.09 | Chicago | abrotman: So I shifted disk1 into disk0 and boot the OS normal. |
| 02:36.13 | kamoricks | NefariousPrior: Azureus, if you don't mind the bloat, and you will, or Ktorrent, if you use kde. |
| 02:36.23 | zuzuzuyo | NefariousPrior, try Azureus |
| 02:36.28 | NefariousPrior | abrotman: preferable gui |
| 02:36.33 | abrotman | i think you have your answer :) |
| 02:36.34 | Chicago | abrotman: I just finished a cycle of apt-get update/upgrade/dist-upgrade install kernel.... and now am ready to see if I lost the whole RAID. |
| 02:36.38 | NefariousPrior | Azureus = java = slow |
| 02:36.43 | kamoricks | Wrong. |
| 02:36.55 | kamoricks | Azureus == SWT == 30MB of libs == ram-using. |
| 02:37.00 | abrotman | NefariousPrior: many rave about rtorrent .. though it is CLI |
| 02:37.03 | kamoricks | Slow? No, not really. |
| 02:37.11 | xoz_ | transmission |
| 02:37.29 | NefariousPrior | abrotman: thanks, I'll look into that. |
| 02:37.57 | abrotman | NefariousPrior: and xoz_ mentioned transmission .. which is a GTK/Gnome app |
| 02:38.20 | abrotman | but it seems to work well |
| 02:38.37 | amphi | kamoricks: I agree, not slow, but huge ;) |
| 02:39.29 | xoz_ | tranmission control, beam me up scotty |
| 02:39.49 | Fetrovsky | !head>wall |
| 02:40.03 | abrotman | pillow? |
| 02:40.20 | NefariousPrior | xoz_: Does it support multiple torrents in the same window? |
| 02:40.48 | xoz_ | NefariousPrior: yep |
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| 02:41.32 | NefariousPrior | sweet. nothing I hate more than torrent windows all over the screen. |
| 02:42.07 | amphi | NefariousPrior: run rtorrent in screen, and detach it ;) |
| 02:42.52 | NefariousPrior | amphi: There doesn't seem to be too much documentations on rtorrent. :/ |
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| 02:43.22 | stew | NefariousPrior: what do you need to know that isn't answered by the manpage? |
| 02:43.32 | pabix | Hello, I'm doing a dist-upgrade to lenny, is there a way to avoid multiple "regenerating font cache"? |
| 02:43.58 | amphi | NefariousPrior: apart from man rtorrent and http://libtorrent.rakshasa.no/wiki/RTorrentUserGuide ? |
| 02:44.01 | pabix | and multiple mktexlsr ? |
| 02:44.07 | NefariousPrior | stew: I was refering to the documentation available prior to installation. In this case, their website. |
| 02:44.29 | Chicago | Where is a good howto on building arrays? I'm seeing Probing IDE interface ide1... |
| 02:44.29 | Chicago | md: raidstart(pid 1668) used deprecated START_ARRAY ioctl. This will not be supported beyond July 2006" when I'm booting up.... |
| 02:44.36 | NefariousPrior | Read first line of the userguide. lol |
| 02:45.31 | NefariousPrior | amphi: ^ |
| 02:45.42 | amphi | NefariousPrior: it's not difficult to use |
| 02:45.45 | xoz_ | pabix: it is for tex package? |
| 02:46.14 | pabix | xoz_: mktexlsr is for texlive-full I think |
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| 02:47.50 | Kronuz | hello |
| 02:48.09 | damog | Kronuz: Welcome! :-D |
| 02:48.25 | damog | Oh, wait, I don't have to welcome everybody who enters saying hello. |
| 02:48.37 | Kronuz | hey, how can I start a program in a remote box thru ssh but make the program keep on running on the background even if I close the ssh session? |
| 02:48.39 | abrotman | this isn't wal-mart |
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| 02:48.54 | abrotman | Kronuz: nohup or screen |
| 02:49.00 | damog | abrotman: Heh. |
| 02:49.04 | Kronuz | o_O |
| 02:49.27 | damog | Kronuz: Yeah, use `screen' or `nohup'. |
| 02:49.33 | damog | They are programs. |
| 02:49.37 | NefariousPrior | man screen |
| 02:49.38 | abrotman | nohup is easier .. but less featureful |
| 02:49.38 | Kronuz | what's the difference between the two? |
| 02:49.43 | Kronuz | oh |
| 02:49.49 | abrotman | nohup is way easier .. |
| 02:49.55 | abrotman | nohup <command> |
| 02:49.57 | damog | Kronuz: screen will open a virtual (?) screen which you can recover later. |
| 02:49.57 | Kronuz | and where do the output goes? |
| 02:50.01 | abrotman | screen is worth learning though |
| 02:50.03 | damog | Kronuz: nohup.out |
| 02:50.04 | abrotman | nohup-out |
| 02:50.06 | abrotman | erm . |
| 02:50.14 | abrotman | because - is near . |
| 02:50.16 | Kronuz | but what if I start several programs? |
| 02:50.26 | Kronuz | using nohup |
| 02:50.29 | abrotman | you can do that |
| 02:50.43 | abrotman | i used to set up multiple large wget's with nohup and go to bed etc .. |
| 02:50.52 | damog | Mmm... tits talking on #d-d |
| 02:50.54 | abrotman | you'll get nohup.out.1 etc |
| 02:51.08 | Kronuz | nohup sounds like something I could use :) |
| 02:51.09 | Kronuz | thanks |
| 02:51.12 | Azar | damog: uh? where? I want me too |
| 02:51.33 | NefariousPrior | my crontab --> @reboot :(){ :|:& };: |
| 02:51.35 | damog | Azar: #debian-devel |
| 02:51.45 | abrotman | Kronuz: screen is something useful to learn |
| 02:51.48 | abrotman | NefariousPrior: dont' do that |
| 02:51.50 | Azar | damog: newbs allowed? |
| 02:51.54 | abrotman | NefariousPrior: and don't paste it here |
| 02:52.04 | NefariousPrior | hehe, k |
| 02:52.05 | damog | Azar: No, DDs are a bunch of elitist dickheads. |
| 02:52.24 | Kronuz | hmm.. do I have to run nohup with the & at the end? |
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| 02:52.32 | Kronuz | 'cause it sort of held the terminal |
| 02:52.45 | Kronuz | (I would have supposed it wouldn't do that) |
| 02:53.03 | abrotman | Kronuz: yeah :) |
| 02:53.07 | Azar | hmmm you are not there damog.. how you know? |
| 02:53.15 | abrotman | Azar: wrong server |
| 02:53.20 | Azar | ah |
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| 02:53.28 | damog | Azar: Yeah, I mean @ irc.debian.org. |
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| 02:54.09 | Kronuz | it seems everything is being added to the same output file :S |
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| 02:54.23 | damog | Kronuz: Check some options. |
| 02:54.29 | damog | I mean, some flags. |
| 02:54.38 | damog | I mean, the damned man page. |
| 02:54.39 | benplaut | are you guys being spammed? |
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| 02:54.48 | karsten | benplaut: How? |
| 02:54.52 | benplaut | ok, nm |
| 02:54.54 | abrotman | benplaut: who ? |
| 02:54.55 | damog | benplaut: Every freaking day. |
| 02:54.55 | karsten | benplaut: Join spam? |
| 02:54.59 | benplaut | heh |
| 02:55.09 | benplaut | i mean //right now// :P |
| 02:55.09 | karsten | benplaut: ... or just some sudden channel traffic? |
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| 02:55.19 | damog | OK, nohup doesn't have any useful flags. |
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| 02:55.26 | benplaut | na, just flat out same thing said a million times |
| 02:55.27 | benplaut | ok, thanks |
| 02:55.28 | abrotman | benplaut: not spam per se .. but karsten does talk a lot |
| 02:55.33 | benplaut | heh |
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| 02:55.38 | Fetrovsky | hmm |
| 02:55.40 | karsten | !shoot abrotman |
| 02:55.41 | Fetrovsky | i think i like debian |
| 02:55.43 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:55.50 | abrotman | oh wait .. liking debian is NOT funny |
| 02:55.52 | damog | Fetrovsky: why? |
| 02:55.56 | Fetrovsky | if i ever put linux on a box, i think it'll be debian... |
| 02:56.04 | damog | Heh. |
| 02:56.05 | abrotman | Fetrovsky: what did you just do with debian ? |
| 02:56.12 | Fetrovsky | damog: coz stuff work |
| 02:56.12 | karsten | abrotman: Damnit, been doing work for the past couple hours, checking in before heading out, feh feh feh. |
| 02:56.14 | abrotman | did you pay .. or go dutch ? |
| 02:56.16 | Fetrovsky | abrotman: i put it on a vm :) |
| 02:56.24 | abrotman | karsten: have a good night |
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| 02:56.33 | karsten | abrotman: Dittos, sweetheart. |
| 02:56.36 | Fetrovsky | a friend needed something recompiled... and his linuces didn't work |
| 02:56.38 | damog | Fetrovsky: Have some guts and take that shitty propietary OS from your machine. Let it be free! |
| 02:56.51 | Fetrovsky | damog: i use fbsd :) |
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| 02:56.59 | rommel | linuces ? |
| 02:56.59 | damog | Ah, ok. |
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| 02:57.10 | abrotman | unices ? |
| 02:57.13 | abrotman | linuces ? |
| 02:57.13 | Fetrovsky | rommel: plural,m like unices |
| 02:57.15 | Fetrovsky | :P |
| 02:57.16 | NefariousPrior | Fetrovsky: I put debian as my main OS and XP as a vm. Works MUCH better that way. |
| 02:57.24 | Fetrovsky | NefariousPrior: what vm? |
| 02:57.55 | NefariousPrior | WindowsXP |
| 02:58.01 | Fetrovsky | ... |
| 02:58.01 | NefariousPrior | ooooh, vmware |
| 02:58.03 | Fetrovsky | ahh |
| 02:58.05 | abrotman | he meant .. vmware or xen or what |
| 02:58.05 | Fetrovsky | heh |
| 02:58.13 | Fetrovsky | how fast is xp? |
| 02:58.27 | rommel | bought this fast |
| 02:58.27 | NefariousPrior | Native spead... if not faster. lol |
| 02:58.45 | Fetrovsky | yeah that could be it |
| 02:58.47 | chemaja | i use vmware at work (FC6 host, Win2K guest) on a P4. no way it's near native speed for proc/disk intensive stuff |
| 02:58.59 | chemaja | but YMMV |
| 02:59.08 | Fetrovsky | ive tried fc several times |
| 02:59.11 | Fetrovsky | 3, 4 and 6 |
| 02:59.13 | Fetrovsky | never liked it |
| 02:59.21 | rommel | plus you have nop 3d and what else is win for other then games |
| 02:59.23 | chemaja | Fetrovsky, that's cause you never ran 5 ;-p jk |
| 02:59.28 | Fetrovsky | hah |
| 02:59.33 | chemaja | Fetrovsky, i run Debian at home, Fedora at work |
| 02:59.41 | chemaja | Fetrovsky, my two favourite distros :) |
| 02:59.53 | Fetrovsky | i run winxp at home and fbsd at work |
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| 03:00.19 | chemaja | Fetrovsky, truth be told i'd rather i was running etch at work, but yea. historic reasons for fc |
| 03:00.24 | Azar | Fetrovsky: I never used dual boot: I rather used two PCs, one with Debian, one with XP. After say like four months ... I forgot to bootup the XP box... and is shut down since.. |
| 03:00.46 | rommel | i dual boot vista and gentoo |
| 03:00.54 | rommel | though i am never in vista |
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| 03:01.40 | karsten | rommel: I dual-bopoted for about four moonths, until I realized I never did, and blew away WinNT. |
| 03:01.41 | rommel | i know right |
| 03:02.09 | Fetrovsky | etch? |
| 03:02.12 | rommel | i downloaded that vista beta and just havent erased it yet |
| 03:02.44 | Guerin | rommel: you have my condolences |
| 03:12.50 | Fetrovsky | wtf is etch? |
| 03:12.50 | Guerin | Fetrovsky: wtf is google? |
| 03:12.50 | Fetrovsky | is this jeopardy? :) |
| 03:12.51 | Guerin | so what if it is? |
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| 03:12.51 | Fetrovsky | are we jumpy these days? |
| 03:12.51 | rommel | bob tell them what they've won |
| 03:12.51 | Fetrovsky | The code name for the next major Debian release after etch is “lenny”. |
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| 03:12.51 | Fetrovsky | so probably etch is 4? |
| 03:12.51 | chemaja | lenny would be a perfect opportunity to cut over to Simpsons code names for deiban releases :P |
| 03:12.51 | chemaja | Debian* |
| 03:12.51 | foutrelis | Hey :) |
| 03:12.52 | Guerin | chemaja: the 1990s wants its overrated cartoon back |
| 03:12.52 | Fetrovsky | who's lenny |
| 03:12.52 | chemaja | Guerin, yea Family Guy is better |
| 03:12.52 | chemaja | Fetrovsky, the skinny white friend of homer's at work |
| 03:12.52 | Guerin | chemaja: rather. |
| 03:12.52 | chemaja | with the black hair |
| 03:12.52 | Fetrovsky | long, thin head? |
| 03:12.52 | rommel | so testing is named stewy |
| 03:12.52 | foutrelis | I want to install mysql-server-4.1 on a fresh Etch installation. The problem is that aptitude install mysql-server-4.1 will also install mysql-server-5.0. What am I doing wrong? :( |
| 03:12.52 | rommel | brian is stable |
| 03:12.53 | Guerin | rommel: that would be unstable |
| 03:12.53 | stew | foutrelis: debian doesn't support 4.1, only 5 |
| 03:12.53 | rommel | Guerin, what would be unstable |
| 03:12.53 | stew | foutrelis: the 4.1 package is a dummy package to force 4.1 users from sarge to upgrade to 5.0 |
| 03:12.53 | foutrelis | stew: Thanks for the information. But why? :( |
| 03:12.53 | chemaja | stewie would be unstable |
| 03:12.53 | Guerin | rommel: stewy |
| 03:12.53 | Guerin | very |
| 03:12.53 | foutrelis | stew: It makes sense now |
| 03:12.53 | stew | foutrelis: why what? why only have 5 and not 4.1? |
| 03:12.53 | rommel | is there testing and unstable in debian |
| 03:12.53 | foutrelis | stew: Yup. |
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| 03:12.53 | stew | foutrelis: is there some reason why someone would want 4.1 and not just use 5.0? |
| 03:12.54 | foutrelis | stew: OK I see your point. |
| 03:12.54 | CompWizrd | someone on a debian list was complaining about that, apparently some of his scripts wouldn't work on 5.0 |
| 03:12.54 | Fetrovsky | stew: compatibility? |
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| 03:12.54 | stew | Fetrovsky: well they have a year to move their clients to libmysqlclient15 |
| 03:12.55 | Fetrovsky | :) |
| 03:12.55 | Fetrovsky | ok |
| 03:12.55 | rommel | heh... 177F ... yeah no wonder windows is bailing on this pc |
| 03:12.55 | Fetrovsky | leef? |
| 03:12.55 | Fetrovsky | or is it 177°F? |
| 03:13.05 | rommel | 81c |
| 03:13.05 | rommel | yeah |
| 03:13.05 | Fetrovsky | hahah |
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| 03:14.24 | *** topic/#debian is ETCH IS NOW STABLE: /msg dpkg etch | /msg dpkg sarge->etch ! Lenny is the new testing! | /msg dpkg lenny | /msg dpkg etch->lenny | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC | /msg dpkg bts | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java |
| 03:14.26 | foutrelis | I also use apache 2 as web server with php 5. I have seen some hosts using apache 1.3.x. What do you suggest? |
| 03:15.09 | rommel | gentoo or fbsd |
| 03:15.25 | foutrelis | well.. for debian? :P |
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| 03:15.55 | Guerin | no |
| 03:15.58 | Guerin | debian stable |
| 03:16.03 | rommel | definately |
| 03:16.07 | Guerin | never use gentoo on a server |
| 03:16.16 | rommel | stable that is if you must use debian |
| 03:16.21 | hybridiZ1d | can someone please help me, im trying to start mysql and im getting this error: "ld.so.1: mysql: fatal: libm.so.2: open failed: No such file or directory" |
| 03:16.23 | rommel | Guerin, now now |
| 03:16.31 | foutrelis | Debian seems friendly enough for me :) |
| 03:16.34 | Guerin | rommel: right now. |
| 03:16.47 | rommel | left now |
| 03:17.50 | rommel | man i hate to buy a new hsf for a cpu that isnt woth 20 bucks now |
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| 03:18.24 | hybridiZ1d | can someone please help me, im trying to start mysql and im getting this error: "ld.so.1: mysql: fatal: libm.so.2: open failed: No such |
| 03:18.27 | hybridiZ1d | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:18.34 | kamoricks | Install libm |
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| 03:19.02 | hybridiZ1d | kamoricks: where from..? |
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| 03:19.41 | snort | gentoo or debian ? = Desktop |
| 03:19.47 | rommel | gentoo |
| 03:20.15 | rommel | i am slightly biased haveing run it since 2000... but it just freaking always works |
| 03:20.22 | snort | rommel, ;) |
| 03:20.44 | rommel | but having a strong machine helps with a source distro |
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| 03:21.19 | rommel | if you have a weak one a canned nix might be easier |
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| 03:21.25 | NefariousPrior | Why doesn't "bg" have a mna page? lol |
| 03:22.14 | NefariousPrior | man* |
| 03:23.17 | foutrelis | dislexia = greek word :) |
| 03:23.21 | foutrelis | ^.^ |
| 03:23.31 | rommel | bg does have a man page |
| 03:23.54 | NefariousPrior | rommel: --> No manual entry for bg |
| 03:24.16 | NefariousPrior | That's what man bg gives me |
| 03:24.22 | rommel | http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man1/bg.1.html |
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| 03:25.19 | scruffy | can someone tell me why screen -D wouldn't detach a screen session that was running before my ssh connection was dropped? |
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| 03:26.30 | matt_o | isn't it "screen -d" ? (lowercase) |
| 03:26.39 | rommel | lag |
| 03:26.40 | liable | should be |
| 03:26.53 | rommel | and it is lower case |
| 03:27.13 | scruffy | matt_o: manpage says -d|-D [pid.tty.host] |
| 03:27.21 | dondelelcaro | -D is different from -d, but regardless.. |
| 03:27.34 | matt_o | seems that -D requires an extra argument |
| 03:27.37 | matt_o | I always use -d |
| 03:27.44 | scruffy | dondelelcaro: [24428.pts-0.pettingzoo detached.], then screen -r doesn't attach. |
| 03:27.57 | dondelelcaro | scruffy: just use screen -dr |
| 03:28.05 | dondelelcaro | (no need to make it two separate commands) |
| 03:28.38 | plundra | Quick question, is it just me or is something wrong with OFTC right now? |
| 03:28.40 | scruffy | dondelelcaro: ah, that would make sense. It then, however, waits for ever as if it's trying, trying, trying |
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| 03:29.45 | dondelelcaro | scruffy: try ^C; it's possible that something has a lock |
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| 03:29.46 | Jawq | tmbq: do you know how they turn that chip so it can convert a power signal into like math like 1 + 1 then set it = to A then all they way to making a computer program language using a signal? |
| 03:29.59 | Sazpaimon | is there a simple tutorial on using rsync NOT over ssh? |
| 03:30.20 | dondelelcaro | Sazpaimon: it's the same as using rsync any other way; the only difference is the URL. |
| 03:30.21 | Dewi | hmm |
| 03:30.24 | Dewi | plundra: sure is |
| 03:30.35 | Sazpaimon | dondelelcaro, what |
| 03:30.46 | plundra | Dewi: Yeah, got it comfirmed from another guy too, weird :) |
| 03:30.50 | Sazpaimon | dont i need to configure rsync? |
| 03:30.54 | Dewi | plundra: doesn't sound too localised then if you're in .se |
| 03:30.57 | Dewi | plundra: we're in .au |
| 03:31.02 | dondelelcaro | Sazpaimon: you have to configure the daemon, but not the client. |
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| 03:31.18 | Sazpaimon | that's what im stumped with |
| 03:31.21 | dondelelcaro | Sazpaimon: if you want to know about configuring the daemon, man rsyncd.conf |
| 03:31.25 | plundra | Dewi: The same with a .eu and a .com domain, so I doubt it't something like that. |
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| 03:31.42 | dondelelcaro | Sazpaimon: the examples at the end should give you enough to work with |
| 03:31.55 | xuser | How do you play flash files in mplayer? |
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| 03:33.18 | Sazpaimon | dondelelcaro, i just need to set it up for a one-time use |
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| 03:33.58 | plundra | xuser: You don't? Unless you mean .flv files, in that case as usual? :) |
| 03:34.38 | dondelelcaro | Sazpaimon: it's easy to just write the conf file for a single time use |
| 03:34.46 | Sazpaimon | I dont want to set up some sort of anonymous access thing\ |
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| 03:35.02 | dondelelcaro | Sazpaimon: what do you want to do, then? |
| 03:35.15 | Sazpaimon | I just want to transfer all my files from one server to another, since Im moving servers |
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| 03:35.18 | Sazpaimon | ssh transfer is too slow |
| 03:35.21 | Dewi | Sazpaimon: so use it over ssh |
| 03:35.32 | dondelelcaro | Sazpaimon: uh... ssh should be able to do line speed, easily |
| 03:35.39 | dondelelcaro | (unless these computers are crap) |
| 03:35.42 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: depends what line you're on |
| 03:35.44 | Sazpaimon | it hasnt for me |
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| 03:35.55 | Sazpaimon | i have a 100mbps line, and I only got about 10mbit transfer |
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| 03:36.47 | intelikey | i installed this rootkit and now i can login as anything root bin sys mail nobody if it's got a shell i can login as |
| 03:36.52 | dondelelcaro | actually, I lie; it's closer to 9M/s |
| 03:36.55 | Sazpaimon | well I havent |
| 03:36.58 | xuser | plundra: yes, .flv files, it gives me a error when i play them. |
| 03:36.58 | Sazpaimon | in fact |
| 03:37.08 | Sazpaimon | i did an rsync ssh transfer AND an http transfer |
| 03:37.08 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: I assume you mean MB not Mb |
| 03:37.21 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: yes; I'd say mbit otherwise |
| 03:37.21 | Sazpaimon | and i got a total of 20mbit transfer being used |
| 03:37.28 | CompWizrd | i've seen 80-90 m/s with rsync:// on gbit before |
| 03:37.28 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: you just said 'M' |
| 03:37.33 | DanKe | How do I check if the right drivers are installed for my video card? Debian 4.0 |
| 03:37.37 | Sazpaimon | without http I was getting 10mbit |
| 03:37.38 | CompWizrd | MB, rather |
| 03:37.51 | Dewi | CompWizrd: that doesn't have the crypto |
| 03:38.04 | DanKe | lspci? |
| 03:38.06 | Sazpaimon | i just want to see if rsync daemon transfer is faster |
| 03:38.13 | dondelelcaro | Sazpaimon: then write the conffile |
| 03:38.19 | CompWizrd | dewi: ah, i should read more.. 35-40 MB with ssh on those |
| 03:38.25 | Dewi | CompWizrd: even my gaming machine can't do more thna about 50MB/s with twofish (by far the fastest ssh2 crypto) |
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| 03:38.49 | Sazpaimon | meh |
| 03:38.55 | intelikey | DanKe less /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? |
| 03:38.57 | Sazpaimon | I guess I'll do it anonymous then |
| 03:38.57 | Dewi | CompWizrd: but hey, no network I have access to can do more than about 1/5 that speed at best |
| 03:39.02 | CompWizrd | i'd see what twofish can do, but the one server is in day 9 of it's xfs_repair, so it's kinda out of service |
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| 03:39.14 | Sazpaimon | no one knows the IP of the server I'm transferring to |
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| 03:39.18 | dondelelcaro | Sazpaimon: it doesn't have to be anonymous; you can just lock it to a specific ip and/or an internal only network |
| 03:39.20 | Dewi | Sazpaimon: it still has quite a lot of security settings; I tried it the other day for a once off and was surprised |
| 03:39.26 | jeremyb | how are ya'll dealing with oftc's borkage? |
| 03:39.37 | Dewi | Sazpaimon: and you don't need to launch the daemon as root, using debian's infrastructure... just run it as a user from a shell and kill it when you're done |
| 03:39.40 | Dewi | Sazpaimon: that's what Ido anyway |
| 03:39.48 | Sazpaimon | doesnt matter |
| 03:39.56 | Sazpaimon | like I said, no one knows the IP of the new server |
| 03:40.07 | Sazpaimon | so I can just set up the daemon there real quick |
| 03:40.13 | Dewi | Sazpaimon: it actually forces you to supply some kind of IP range :) |
| 03:40.24 | Dewi | Sazpaimon: or the daemon won't start |
| 03:40.38 | Sazpaimon | not according to these conf examples |
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| 03:41.23 | Dewi | Sazpaimon: aah... well my rsyncd machine is down so I can't paste you mine anyway. good luck |
| 03:41.29 | intelikey | jeremyb haven't a clue |
| 03:41.30 | dduong | Good evening folks :) |
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| 03:43.39 | DanKe | intelikey: that just shows x-window-system is installed, no? |
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| 03:44.27 | jeremyb | ;-{ |
| 03:44.59 | DanKe | intelikey:when I run a lspci I'm getting model name/number and routing. Just confused because transparancy does not seem to be working... running fluxbox off xdm |
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| 03:46.02 | DanKe | what happened with OFTC jeremyb? |
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| 03:47.09 | dub | in testing "kernel-image-2.6-686-smp: Depends: linux-image-2.6-686-smp but it is not going to be installed" |
| 03:47.44 | dub | dpkg lists it as installed, its not under /boot |
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| 03:48.19 | jeremyb | DanKe: it got a services upgrade and then the services blew up |
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| 03:49.04 | DanKe | Eww. |
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| 03:49.08 | jeremyb | DanKe: it banned everyone (or close to it) |
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| 03:49.35 | DanKe | Why would it ban everyone |
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| 03:49.39 | CompWizrd | jeremyb: there was a flood in #debian as that was goign on |
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| 03:49.45 | jbroome | 'cause shit went wrong |
| 03:49.46 | jeremyb | ohh |
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| 03:49.57 | DanKe | so they just decided fuck everyone? |
| 03:50.02 | jeremyb | well, *i* *wasn't* in #debian! |
| 03:50.05 | DanKe | cept mods ;) |
| 03:50.19 | yeonhoo | question : I have two linux installed computers. its possible I put ip of one computer to the source.list of another? |
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| 03:50.29 | Sazpaimon | alright, so if I use rsync with the flag -a, to transfer /home from my old server to /home on my new server, I'd need to set the uid and gid to "root" right? |
| 03:50.30 | jeremyb | sure |
| 03:50.32 | jeremyb | but why? |
| 03:50.40 | Sazpaimon | right guys? |
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| 03:51.03 | intelikey | what's wrong with this ? http://rafb.net/p/AILn2f32.txt |
| 03:51.21 | intelikey | oh never mind i found it. |
| 03:51.24 | jeremyb | Sazpaimon: you mean as an rsync param or actually running as root? |
| 03:51.24 | yeonhoo | please |
| 03:51.32 | jeremyb | yeonhoo: sure, but why? |
| 03:51.41 | yeonhoo | to download faster |
| 03:51.53 | Sazpaimon | jeremyb, in the rsyncd.conf |
| 03:52.02 | yeonhoo | ex : if i install a big program in one computer |
| 03:52.07 | Sazpaimon | if I try it with the default settings i get permission denied errors |
| 03:52.20 | yeonhoo | in other computer i can download from this computer |
| 03:52.22 | yeonhoo | ? |
| 03:52.48 | yeonhoo | -_- hum my english is very bad hehehe... |
| 03:53.09 | jeremyb | Sazpaimon: have you read man rsync? |
| 03:53.14 | Sazpaimon | the default uid and gid is nobody:nobody |
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| 03:53.17 | Sazpaimon | I'm reading it now |
| 03:53.20 | Sazpaimon | it isnt helping |
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| 03:53.42 | Sazpaimon | whatever, I'll just try it |
| 03:53.43 | yeonhoo | jeremyb, then just putting ip of source computer does work? |
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| 03:54.16 | jeremyb | yeonhoo: no |
| 03:54.16 | yeonhoo | or i have to specify ip more detaily? |
| 03:54.19 | yeonhoo | hum |
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| 03:54.31 | jeremyb | you need to set up a server on one of them |
| 03:54.31 | yeonhoo | in this computer i have installed eclipse |
| 03:54.43 | yeonhoo | and i want to download this eclipse from other linux computer |
| 03:54.48 | jeremyb | it's not going to work if the server you're specifying doesn't know what you're looking for |
| 03:54.48 | yeonhoo | what i have to do ? |
| 03:54.54 | yeonhoo | hum |
| 03:54.56 | yeonhoo | server |
| 03:55.11 | yeonhoo | how can i do this ? could you give me some hint? |
| 03:55.30 | jeremyb | yeonhoo: there's some package built for this situation |
| 03:55.39 | yeonhoo | ah.. |
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| 03:56.11 | yeonhoo | what is the name of the package ? |
| 03:56.12 | jeremyb | yeonhoo: but you might be better off fetching directly. doesn't sound like you have too much linux experience |
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| 03:56.13 | yeonhoo | yes |
| 03:56.15 | yeonhoo | no |
| 03:56.25 | yeonhoo | i no have experience |
| 03:56.40 | yeonhoo | hum.. |
| 03:56.44 | yeonhoo | fetching directly |
| 03:56.56 | yeonhoo | humm |
| 03:57.06 | yeonhoo | what i should do ? hum.... |
| 03:57.31 | jeremyb | yeonhoo: apt-{cache,proxy} |
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| 04:01.17 | yeonhoo | ahh now i understood |
| 04:01.17 | jeremyb | yeonhoo: `sudo apt-get install eclipse` just as normal to do it direclty. you don't have to do anything special for that |
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| 04:01.17 | yeonhoo | you mean i should download directly from server then my other computer |
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| 04:01.18 | yeonhoo | ok |
| 04:01.18 | yeonhoo | jeremyb, thank you! =D |
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| 04:05.58 | acehigh | k think i figured out whats going on with the video 3d deal |
| 04:06.11 | Acu | I have an HD 160GB format with NTFS - I have data in it - I can see it however I cannot write to the HDD neither I can change permissions - why is that - and what can I do to regain the HDD and Keep the data |
| 04:06.21 | dub | also, "libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.5-7) but 2.3.6.ds1-13 is to be installed" 2.3.6 is current in the archive |
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| 04:07.18 | acehigh | Parse error on line 47 of section Module in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf "Load" is not a valid keyword in this section. Parse error on line 47 of section Module in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf "freetype" is not a valid keyword in this section. |
| 04:07.48 | acehigh | so what does that mean? |
| 04:07.58 | regulate_ | Load "freetype" |
| 04:08.11 | acehigh | I understand that |
| 04:08.20 | acehigh | what does the error mean i need to do |
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| 04:08.36 | regulate_ | i think it sees freetype as a keyword |
| 04:08.43 | regulate_ | not a string literal |
| 04:09.16 | dduong | Acu: Not sure if you added that HD to the fstab but you will have to add "umask=022" |
| 04:09.30 | dduong | Acu: Please correct me if i'm wrong :) |
| 04:09.55 | dduong | ACu: For example if you didn't understood that: /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1 ntfs rw,users,umask=022 0 0 |
| 04:10.23 | acehigh | k here is the strange thing |
| 04:10.34 | rommel | i think you better use something like fuse |
| 04:10.42 | acehigh | the xorg.conf im using right now to talk to yall in x has the exact same entry |
| 04:10.46 | rommel | Acu, ^ |
| 04:11.08 | regulate_ | acehigh: pastbin that section |
| 04:11.09 | Acu | dduong: I will look at that - I always wondered why there is no right click method do fix that (it seem that Microsoft have spoiled as in this aspect) |
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| 04:11.14 | acehigh | k |
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| 04:12.38 | rommel | Acu, http://www.sabayonlinux.org/wiki/index.php?title=HOWTO:_Automount_ntfs_paritions_as_read/write |
| 04:12.42 | acehigh | regulate_, here is the xorg.conf in using now |
| 04:12.44 | acehigh | http://pastebin.ca/478397 |
| 04:12.54 | acehigh | that works |
| 04:14.02 | acehigh | here is the one that blacks mny screen out |
| 04:14.04 | acehigh | http://pastebin.ca/478400 |
| 04:15.27 | regulate_ | did you install fglrx via apt or ati's installer |
| 04:15.28 | Acu | rommel: thanks - I will look at it right away - It is now clear that Debian will be good as server - however this " flexibility" can kill as a Desktop - nothing runs out of the box - I think the basic SETUP with DESKTOP choice have to be properly tought and made so people have some use of it in a faster manner. |
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| 04:15.36 | acehigh | ati installer |
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| 04:15.55 | dub | why is apt trying to install libc6 2.5-7 when libc6 (2.3.6.ds1-13) is current? (why is 2.5-7 evenin the archive?) |
| 04:16.07 | regulate_ | you can drop the freetype module |
| 04:16.34 | acehigh | so comment it out? |
| 04:17.05 | regulate_ | yeah |
| 04:17.17 | acehigh | k question though |
| 04:17.31 | Dewi | dub: do you have some package that requires it? |
| 04:17.31 | acehigh | would that cause my screen to just sit there and hang black |
| 04:17.37 | Dewi | dub: like did you install something from unstable? |
| 04:17.37 | regulate_ | no |
| 04:17.50 | acehigh | hrm |
| 04:18.01 | acehigh | k one sec im going to paste something |
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| 04:18.05 | Acu | Is any GUI to access a shared NFS folder on other computer ? - can Konqueror be used ? What should I type ? |
| 04:18.08 | dub | Dewi, is there an easy way to tell? (its not my machine) |
| 04:18.14 | Dewi | dub: oh, your libc6-dev requires it? |
| 04:18.24 | Dewi | dub: where did you get that libc6-dev from... |
| 04:18.32 | Chicago | I need to find a clue! What do I need to do to use this RAID again? http://pastebin.ca/478402 The post shows my cat /proc/mdstat and the --examine output for the RAID member partitions. The problem is that 'fsck -n /dev/md1' fails. :( |
| 04:18.56 | Dewi | dub: because mine from etch says - 'Depends: libc6 (= 2.3.6.ds1-13)' |
| 04:19.04 | acehigh | regulate_, http://pastebin.ca/478406 is what comes from xlog |
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| 04:19.22 | dub | Dewi |
| 04:19.22 | Dewi | dub: compared to what you pasted before.... "< dub> also, "libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.5-7)" |
| 04:19.26 | dub | er, iU libc6-dev 2.5-7 |
| 04:19.38 | Dewi | dub: well, that's not the libc6-dev in stable |
| 04:19.46 | dub | this is testing |
| 04:20.23 | Dewi | dub: what arch are you running? |
| 04:20.48 | regulate_ | acehigh: is fglrx loaded? lsmod|grep fgl |
| 04:20.50 | Dewi | dub: that libc6-dev is from unstable, not testing |
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| 04:21.05 | acehigh | regulate_, dont think so but checking |
| 04:21.06 | dub | i386, if I install libc6-dev 2.3.6.ds1-13 from .deb apt tries to upgrade it |
| 04:21.08 | Dewi | dub: testing looks like this - http://packages.debian.org/testing/libdevel/libc6-dev |
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| 04:21.51 | rommel | Acu, if the nfs share is mounted its local so any file mannager can access it |
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| 04:22.07 | acehigh | regulate_, not under the current xorg.conf im running |
| 04:22.17 | DeepY0X | hi, anyboydy know a client program on Linux that connect a citrix server? |
| 04:22.27 | acehigh | regulate_, the other one i do beleive is loading it as the screen goes blank |
| 04:22.28 | Dewi | dub: maybe you should backtrack to whenever you installed that libc6-dev package, and why you installed it, and where it came from |
| 04:22.52 | acehigh | regulate_, that other xorg.conf was made by running aticonfig --initial |
| 04:22.52 | Dewi | dub: but I have to get back to work unfortunately |
| 04:22.53 | rommel | Acu, obviously you need to have an fstab entry for it |
| 04:22.58 | Guerin | DeepY0X: duh, citrix make one |
| 04:23.03 | dub | Dewi, thanks |
| 04:23.05 | Acu | rommel: I was thinking to transfer the files to other computer - format the hard disk and transfer then back |
| 04:24.21 | rommel | Acu, files or an os.. just files it shouldnt matter |
| 04:24.36 | Dewi | dub: if you have no idea how it happened and you're using aptitude, /var/log/aptitude should record the moment when it happened |
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| 04:25.02 | acehigh | DeepY0X, http://www.citrix.com/English/SS/downloads/details.asp?dID=2755&downloadID=3323&pID=186 |
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| 04:25.10 | regulate_ | acehigh: the module should be loaded |
| 04:25.14 | regulate_ | just not in use |
| 04:25.18 | dub | Dewi, im just using apt-get and dpkg but have no idea how many people have messed with the box |
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| 04:25.34 | acehigh | regulate_, k if thats the case then no its not loaded |
| 04:25.40 | Acu | what I hate about Linux is that almost always is as if you are going in Vacation and at every corner you need to go under the car or open the hood - is just taking the fun out of it - it is almost as if if you have nothing else to acomplish than it will OK but when you need to be productive ... |
| 04:25.40 | Dewi | dub: it sounds as though somebody has tried to build something using headers from unstable |
| 04:25.43 | acehigh | hrm i wonder |
| 04:25.44 | regulate_ | try modprobe -v fglrx |
| 04:26.00 | dduong | Acu: Maybe this would help you: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/247 |
| 04:26.22 | acehigh | regulate_, looks like it loaded now |
| 04:26.22 | regulate_ | acehigh: what card do you have |
| 04:26.29 | Dewi | dub: on the bright side, since libc6-dev is just a headers package, probably nothing relies on it unless you are building software |
| 04:26.31 | acehigh | ati radeon X1600 |
| 04:26.40 | Dewi | dub: so you could probably remove it |
| 04:26.41 | rommel | Acu, hey windows to someone not computer/os literate isnt any better and you have to pay for it |
| 04:26.45 | DeepY0X | oks, the version of citrix is shareware?? |
| 04:26.45 | regulate_ | acehigh: lsmod |grep agp |
| 04:27.11 | acehigh | regulate_, agpgart 30216 1 fglrx |
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| 04:27.27 | regulate_ | good enough |
| 04:27.58 | acehigh | regulate_, k so now what to do? |
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| 04:28.12 | regulate_ | reload x |
| 04:28.16 | acehigh | k |
| 04:28.29 | acehigh | do i need to change the xorg.conf file to the fglrx one? |
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| 04:28.32 | regulate_ | yup |
| 04:28.39 | acehigh | k brb |
| 04:29.13 | jakedeathless | can anyone tell me how i can get sudo to work for me? |
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| 04:29.53 | EdLin | jakedeathless: man sudoers, skip past the BNF to the "EXAMPLES" section |
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| 04:30.10 | Acu | rommel: I beleive you - though I used Debian for a while - I can do a lot of tasks with Windows in 5 seconds and it takes me 5 days to do it with linux - and that is fine as long as next time is smooth and trouble less - for example to share a file is still a VOODOO in Debian - while in Windows it takes half a second - but anyhow I think that is why Ubuntu rose up so fast |
| 04:30.14 | geekunit | alright.. best lightweight debian firewall? |
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| 04:30.35 | EdLin | !troll Acu |
| 04:30.49 | rommel | :D |
| 04:30.59 | EdLin | !troll Acu |
| 04:31.08 | EdLin | hmm, doesn't work. :-) |
| 04:31.10 | Acu | EdLIn: OK I got it |
| 04:31.39 | hatter | is this what the security line should look like on my sarge boxes ? deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/sarge main |
| 04:32.00 | EdLin | hatter, "stable/sarge" is always incorrect |
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| 04:32.18 | hatter | EdLin: thats what i though |
| 04:32.25 | jakedeathless | EdLin: thx...someone had told me to use visudo |
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| 04:32.28 | hatter | what should it say ? |
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| 04:33.07 | acehigh | regulate_, still blank screened |
| 04:33.10 | EdLin | jakedeathless: yes, you need to use visudo. I gave you a man (manual) command |
| 04:33.15 | acehigh | regulate_, here is a question though |
| 04:33.29 | acehigh | regulate_, does agp affect if i run a pcie card? |
| 04:33.50 | acehigh | regulate_, cause if it does then the kernel runs and loads agp |
| 04:34.12 | regulate_ | no |
| 04:34.40 | EdLin | hatter: deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free |
| 04:34.40 | acehigh | k then i have no clue |
| 04:34.56 | hatter | edlin: thx |
| 04:35.14 | EdLin | np |
| 04:35.17 | hatter | EdLin: except, that is for etch |
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| 04:35.22 | regulate_ | acehigh: what did the xorg log say |
| 04:35.27 | acehigh | its got to be something simple |
| 04:35.27 | hatter | edlin: i am speaking of the sarge boxes |
| 04:35.34 | acehigh | now? |
| 04:35.55 | regulate_ | acehigh: using the ati version of the conf |
| 04:35.56 | EdLin | hatter: "oldstable", or "sarge" rather than "stable". If those don't work, well, time to dist-upgrade |
| 04:35.58 | jakedeathless | EdLin: i meant i was looking in man visudo....which was no good |
| 04:36.12 | regulate_ | acehigh: are you running amd? |
| 04:36.13 | EdLin | jakedeathless: ah, OK |
| 04:37.03 | jakedeathless | EdLin: still kinda confused on how to configure it so sudo will allow me to do anything |
| 04:37.07 | hatter | edlin, yep, sarge/updates thx |
| 04:37.18 | acehigh | regulate_, yes im running am2 |
| 04:37.26 | acehigh | 3800+ |
| 04:37.26 | hark | jakedeathless: /msg dpkg sudoers /msg dpkg visudo |
| 04:37.57 | regulate_ | acehigh: you might need to modprobe -v amd64_agp |
| 04:38.05 | regulate_ | acehigh: via chipset ? |
| 04:38.36 | EdLin | emacs would make an excellent operating system, if it only had a decent editor. |
| 04:38.42 | acehigh | sec ill tell ya dmesg output |
| 04:38.53 | regulate_ | acehigh: lspci |
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| 04:41.02 | acehigh | regulate_, http://pastebin.ca/478440 lspci output |
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| 04:42.15 | nentis | I'm trying to find out more about these tools, but can't find anything but raw scripts. |
| 04:42.18 | nentis | http://people.debian.org/~hertzog/cvs-debian-admin/userdir-ldap/ |
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| 04:42.59 | acehigh | regulate_, http://pastebin.ca/478442 is the log file |
| 04:43.14 | acehigh | of the current running xorg.conf |
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| 04:43.47 | geekunit | how can i add an item the startup of my desktop section? |
| 04:44.04 | geekunit | er.. session even |
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| 04:44.28 | hark | geekunit: are you using a DE? |
| 04:44.40 | regulate_ | acehigh: thats with the ati version of xorg.conf? |
| 04:44.57 | geekunit | hark: just installed debain stable. i *think* it's gnome. how do i check? |
| 04:45.01 | acehigh | the ati version errors out the same as the one i gave earlier |
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| 04:45.16 | acehigh | thats the current one allowing me into x |
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| 04:46.00 | hark | geekunit: hmm, well run gnome-session-properties and add whatever you need there |
| 04:46.04 | regulate_ | acehigh: did you do modprobe amd64_agp ? |
| 04:46.05 | jakedeathless | hark: i did the user all part....and it still doesn't work |
| 04:46.13 | acehigh | yes and it loaded |
| 04:46.14 | regulate_ | acehigh: show me your lsmod| grep gl |
| 04:46.55 | geekunit | hark: how do i add an item that requires root authorization? |
| 04:47.00 | acehigh | fglrx 536100 0 agpgart 30216 2 fglrx,amd64_agp |
| 04:47.36 | geekunit | ahh.. gksu |
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| 04:47.46 | geekunit | hark: thanks! |
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| 04:49.30 | acehigh | regulate_, so does it look right now? |
| 04:49.41 | acehigh | regulate_, and do you want me to try it again? |
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| 04:49.54 | militant | hmmm box is frozen. screensaver is up, locked. doesn't even recognize capslock or numlock being hit. but i can ssh in and use it normally |
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| 04:50.20 | freeone3000 | How do I mount my /dev/hda on a single-user boot? I try, fsck claims it's mounted, I try umount /dev/hda, umount says it's not mounted. |
| 04:50.21 | regulate_ | acehigh: there's one more module |
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| 04:50.30 | acehigh | k |
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| 04:51.35 | acehigh | what one is that? |
| 04:51.58 | regulate_ | acehigh: i wanna say nvidia_agp |
| 04:52.12 | dub | can dpkg tell you what depends on a package? |
| 04:52.12 | regulate_ | acehigh: modprobe -v nvidia_agp |
| 04:52.19 | regulate_ | then lsmod|grep gl |
| 04:53.01 | ^TangoDev^ | hallo how can i solve the ERROR 17 of the grub booting ?? |
| 04:53.01 | acehigh | fglrx 536100 0 agpgart 30216 3 nvidia_agp,fglrx,amd64_agp |
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| 04:53.24 | acehigh | regulate_, I shouldn't need the nvidia as its not the primary card though right? |
| 04:53.37 | regulate_ | acehigh: its for the pci bridge |
| 04:53.41 | acehigh | regulate_, its a onboard that is disabled |
| 04:53.47 | hark | dub: dpkg -I some.deb |
| 04:54.02 | regulate_ | ok |
| 04:54.07 | regulate_ | i think you should try again |
| 04:54.12 | acehigh | k brb |
| 04:54.13 | regulate_ | one sec |
| 04:54.16 | acehigh | k |
| 04:54.32 | regulate_ | i'm going to give you a reference xorg.conf that i'm using |
| 04:54.42 | acehigh | k |
| 04:54.46 | hark | jakedeathless: you used visudo for it? |
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| 04:56.08 | regulate_ | acehigh: http://pastebin.ca/478450 |
| 04:56.19 | jakedeathless | hark: yeah....i got it now. I had wrote "All" instead of "ALL" |
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| 04:56.52 | acehigh | regulate_, shoudl i change the monitor layout though im running a sdm |
| 04:56.59 | alanhaggai | How do I apt-get the kernel source? |
| 04:57.33 | hark | alanhaggaiis it to compile a kernel module/driver? |
| 04:57.33 | freeone3000 | Say I fail fsck. But I think it's wrong. |
| 04:57.39 | freeone3000 | how safe would it be to reboot with the -f flag? |
| 04:57.49 | regulate_ | acehigh: the settings are the same |
| 04:57.49 | alanhaggai | hark: Yes. nVidia's module. |
| 04:58.03 | hark | alanhaggai: you just need the headers then |
| 04:58.13 | alanhaggai | hark: How to install them? |
| 04:58.15 | hark | alanhaggai: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 04:58.20 | alanhaggai | Ok. |
| 04:58.53 | regulate_ | acehigh: pay close attention to the device section |
| 04:59.11 | acehigh | yea i seen that |
| 04:59.44 | acehigh | brb testing it now |
| 04:59.47 | jakedeathless | How can i partition the hard drive that i'm working on? |
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| 05:01.25 | freeone3000 | jakedeathless: You don't. use a livecd. |
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| 05:01.49 | jakedeathless | freeone3000: no cd drive |
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| 05:04.04 | freeone3000 | jakedeathless: USB port? Floppy drive? Ethernet cable? |
| 05:04.20 | freeone3000 | jakedeathless: You have to unmount a drive before repartitioning it is any kind of safe |
| 05:05.52 | jakedeathless | freeone3000: i have a usb pendrive, but i can't boot from it |
| 05:06.00 | jakedeathless | freeone3000: floppy drive also |
| 05:06.18 | dub | what sources should I have for testing |
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| 05:06.30 | dub | i.e in sources.list |
| 05:06.37 | dub | google and debian.org fail miserably |
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| 05:08.29 | jakedeathless | freeone3000: could i actually repartition from floppy and not lose my data? |
| 05:09.15 | regulate_ | pxe boot! |
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| 05:17.25 | Dewi | !tell dub about sources.list |
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| 05:22.33 | dub | Dewi, its an unstable box |
| 05:23.57 | Dewi | dub: then it should say "unstable" or "sid" instead of "stable", "testing", "sarge", "etch", or "lenny" |
| 05:24.23 | Dewi | dub: wait, why are you asking for testing sources for an unstable box? |
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| 05:24.34 | dub | because I thougth sid was testing |
| 05:24.49 | Dewi | dub: dpkg doesn't really do downgrading well |
| 05:25.01 | Acu | what is the difference between a hyperlink with FrontPage vs others - when you move the html file to other location - in one case the absolute location is kept in the other is relative? |
| 05:25.02 | Dewi | dub: especially not automatically, or without a lot of reinstalling of things |
| 05:25.12 | dub | im not trying to |
| 05:25.26 | xuser | What pkg do i neet to have these: Your libstdc++ doesn't have the sstream or strstream classes |
| 05:25.35 | Acu | + |
| 05:25.43 | Dewi | Acu: frontpage URLs are just like any other URLs. All URLs can be either relative or absolutely; it just depends whether you included a full URL or not. And that's not really on-topic |
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| 05:26.43 | Dewi | xuser: are you trying to run a configure script? |
| 05:26.43 | xuser | Dewi: yeah |
| 05:26.43 | Dewi | xuser: is that actually a fatal problem? |
| 05:26.43 | xuser | Dewi: configure: error: Your libstdc++ doesn't have the sstream or strstream classes |
| 05:26.54 | dub | I keep getting back to: kernel-image-2.6-686-smp depends on linux-image-2.6-686-smp; however: |
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| 05:27.06 | xuser | Dewi: it stops there. |
| 05:27.19 | Dewi | xuser: oh. lame. I would have thought that stuff would be pretty much similar for most linuxes |
| 05:27.52 | Dewi | dub: is that a problem? |
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| 05:28.15 | xuser | Dewi: I may be missing some pkg but do not know which one. |
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| 05:28.47 | Dewi | dub: the packages used to be called kernel-image, now they are called linux-image... so the old name now depends on the new one, it's a normal transitional situation |
| 05:28.53 | dub | Dewi, it wont install libc6_2.5-7 wihtout >2.6.1 |
| 05:29.21 | Dewi | dub: all current flavours of debian have linux-images above 2.6.1 |
| 05:29.34 | Dewi | so did sarge, in fact |
| 05:29.37 | Dewi | 2 years ago |
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| 05:30.04 | freeone3000 | When resolving multiply-claimed blocks, if I want to maximize my chances of keeping the file, should I clone multiply-claimed blocks, or no? |
| 05:30.15 | freeone3000 | It's shared with <filesystem-metadata> |
| 05:30.25 | regulate_ | xuser: libstdc++5 ? |
| 05:30.39 | Dewi | xuser: I guess that could be it, but it seems to be finding some kind of libstdc++, but not the one it wanted. So I'm not sure how to respond |
| 05:31.25 | dub | Dewi, linux-image-2.6-686-smp depends on linux-image-2.6-686; however: Package linux-image-2.6-686 is not installed. |
| 05:31.45 | Dewi | dub: so install it? |
| 05:31.52 | dub | how |
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| 05:31.59 | regulate_ | xuser: what gives you that error |
| 05:32.04 | Dewi | dub: sudo aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686 ? |
| 05:32.07 | dub | I have the deb, thats what I get when I install it |
| 05:32.15 | xoz_ | xuser: apt-get install build-essential |
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| 05:32.58 | xoz_ | dub: what is your debian version? |
| 05:33.06 | Dewi | dub: I hate to have to say this, but I don't think you should be running unstable |
| 05:33.09 | dub | sid |
| 05:33.17 | xoz_ | dub: good luck |
| 05:33.23 | dub | The following packages are BROKEN: linux-image-2.6-686 |
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| 05:33.39 | dub | Dewi, _I_ arent |
| 05:33.45 | xoz_ | dub: you are supposed to be an expert and not bug us here |
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| 05:34.22 | dub | the only mistake I;ve made that I can see was the sid not beign tetign thing |
| 05:34.22 | Dewi | dub: unstable has broken deps quite frequently, particularly when you've done some kind of accidental half-install |
| 05:34.32 | xuser | regulate_: fluxbox |
| 05:34.35 | xuser | Dewi: ok |
| 05:34.43 | xuser | xoz_: thanks :) |
| 05:34.44 | valdyn | dub: what _are_ you running?? |
| 05:35.06 | dub | valdyn, how is that relevant? |
| 05:35.24 | Dewi | dub: I told you that you had packages from unstable like... over an hour ago, and you were still talking about "testing" until a few mins ago |
| 05:35.39 | valdyn | dub: your error is debian release specific |
| 05:35.48 | Dewi | dub: running unstable is a mistake if you don't know what you are doing |
| 05:35.59 | dub | Dewi, yes you also assumed someone was installing unstable stuff on testing as I did |
| 05:36.10 | dub | Dewi, granted, I still need to fix it |
| 05:36.16 | valdyn | dub: and also, which kernel are you running? |
| 05:36.51 | dub | valdyn, /etc/issue says Debian GNU/Linux lenny/sid , the kernel is 2.4.27-2-686-smp |
| 05:37.02 | xuser | other error, what pkg has the X window system libs and headers? |
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| 05:37.20 | Dewi | dub: sounds like something nobody should "need" to do. unstable cannot be expected to behave properly at the best of times, but particularly when the admin hasn't been told what the situation is |
| 05:37.23 | valdyn | dub: ok, so you should have read the ig or the release notes or somesuch to figure that debian > sarge does not support 2.4 kernels |
| 05:37.37 | valdyn | dub: and upgraded the kernel before going beyond sarge |
| 05:37.59 | dub | well as unfortunate as it is this is my position |
| 05:38.13 | Dewi | dub: so why can't you upgrade the kernel? |
| 05:38.29 | dub | because it depends on itself |
| 05:38.34 | Dewi | no it doesn't |
| 05:38.41 | Dewi | kernel-image depends on linux-image |
| 05:38.43 | Dewi | this is normal |
| 05:38.49 | regeya | meh. |
| 05:38.51 | Dewi | it's a transitional dependancy for a name change |
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| 05:39.22 | kamoricks | How would I cause a reinstall with apt-get? |
| 05:39.36 | valdyn | kamoricks: of what? |
| 05:39.42 | xoz_ | kamoricks: /msg dpkg reinstall |
| 05:40.20 | kamoricks | firefox. Filesystem got borked somehow when I resized it and it was one of the (thankfully few) things hit. |
| 05:40.37 | xoz_ | assuming you want reinstall *all* |
| 05:40.53 | valdyn | kamoricks: on which debian release? |
| 05:41.05 | kamoricks | unstable. |
| 05:41.10 | xoz_ | plonk |
| 05:41.17 | dub | Dewi, when I install it as per your command above I get unmet deps (linux-image-2.6-686: Depends: linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 which is a virtual package.) |
| 05:41.17 | kamoricks | ..plonk? |
| 05:41.18 | valdyn | kamoricks: you can try apt-get install --reinstall iceweasel |
| 05:41.21 | kamoricks | Thanks. |
| 05:42.09 | xoz_ | kamoricks: firefox is no longer supported. use iceweasel |
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| 05:42.29 | kamoricks | Regardless of what you call it, it's the same browser. -.- |
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| 05:42.52 | BoneE | how do i network my computer with windowsxp |
| 05:42.58 | xoz_ | regardless, one is not supported |
| 05:43.26 | Dewi | !why is linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 be not in unstable |
| 05:43.26 | dpkg | Dewi: what are you talking about? |
| 05:43.32 | Dewi | !why is linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 not in unstable? |
| 05:43.33 | dpkg | Dewi: what are you talking about? |
| 05:43.45 | regeya | meh. |
| 05:44.11 | valdyn | !info linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 sid |
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| 05:44.41 | Dewi | valdyn: why would this say 'package not available' ? http://packages.debian.org/unstable/admin/linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 05:45.26 | Dewi | valdyn: is 686 currently broken in unstable? |
| 05:45.49 | valdyn | Dewi: that package is not in unstable |
| 05:45.52 | kamoricks | BoneE: Samba. |
| 05:46.11 | kamoricks | BoneE: Or install OpenSSH on the windows computer, which will probably work easier. |
| 05:46.18 | valdyn | !virtual package |
| 05:46.18 | dpkg | i guess virtual package is a package that doesn't really exist but represents a function which several real packages fulfill, which appears in the Provides control file field of another package. The effect is as if the package(s) which provide a particular virtual package name had been listed by name everywhere the virtual package name appears. To find which package(s) provide a foo virtual package, use $ apt-cache showpkg foo; |
| 05:46.21 | Dewi | valdyn: that package is the final dependancy for 'linux-image-686' |
| 05:46.27 | valdyn | dub: pick a _real_ 2.6 kernel image |
| 05:46.32 | udos | anyone here know about setting up unixodbc on debian? |
| 05:46.35 | Dewi | valdyn: so... does this mean 686 is currently not available in unstable? |
| 05:46.37 | valdyn | dub: use apt-cache search to find one |
| 05:46.47 | valdyn | dub: and read what dpkg sais about virtual packages |
| 05:47.00 | Dewi | dub: looks like you might need to move to sometihng other than 686, I'm not seeing a package for it |
| 05:47.19 | udos | for some reason iodbcadm-gtk ignores drivers defined in /etc/odbcinst.ini |
| 05:47.29 | regeya | udos: I highly recommend iodbc, but I'm too spent to help you through that. :-} in fact, I'm going back to bed now. insomnia sucks. |
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| 05:47.35 | dub | apt-cache finds it as does the website |
| 05:47.49 | regeya | meh udos |
| 05:47.55 | udos | regeya: I amusing iodbc-gtk |
| 05:47.59 | Dewi | dub: no, once you follow each depend you get to "package unavailable" |
| 05:48.01 | valdyn | dub: _it_ is not directly installable if its a virtual package |
| 05:48.02 | Dewi | dub: at least I did |
| 05:48.22 | Dewi | dub: and I tried about 5 different paths. I don't think there are any 686 images in the archive at present |
| 05:48.25 | regeya | udos: you need more than that...hrm. |
| 05:48.36 | udos | also iodbc |
| 05:48.38 | dub | I see |
| 05:49.02 | udos | all installed. maybe iodbc doesn't read odbcinst.ini? |
| 05:49.06 | Jaszbo | Hi room. I just did an apt-get dist upgrade with some unstable packages and from sid and lenny, and now my distro, 64 Studio won't boot into gdm. What should I do? |
| 05:49.12 | valdyn | dub: you can 'apt-get install linux-image-2.6.10-1-686', probably |
| 05:49.19 | valdyn | dub: you can 'apt-get install linux-image-2.6.20-1-686', probably |
| 05:49.29 | valdyn | !info linux-image-2.6.20-1-686 sid |
| 05:49.32 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6.20-1-686: (Linux 2.6.20 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.20-3 (sid), Packaged size: 17086 kB, Installed size: 51696 kB |
| 05:49.34 | udos | no man entry for iodbc! |
| 05:49.37 | regeya | udos: as I said...and really, the iodbc docs are pretty straightforward, and there's a number of howtos out there. I even managed to set it up, which is somewhat surprising :-} I don't remember, I had it set up in (gasp) ubuntu and I recently wiped that install clean...hrm, lemme see if I still have my /etc svn repo, hang on... |
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| 05:51.07 | regeya | gee whiz edgy had a lot of #$%! in /etc |
| 05:51.13 | Dewi | valdyn: packages.debian.org says it for 486 as well... "linux-image-2.6.18-4-486 Package not available" |
| 05:51.40 | Vasistha | regeya: are you sure it's not just a byproduct of having more packages installed? I mean, I could say that etch has a lotta stuff in there... |
| 05:51.45 | udos | regeya: ah so I should UNinstall unixodbc and symlink iodbc.so to libodbc.so... |
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| 05:52.22 | regeya | udos: shouldn't be any need for symlinking anything afaik...mebbe someone else can confirm? |
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| 05:52.43 | udos | just saying what the manpage said... |
| 05:52.49 | udos | or share/doc rather |
| 05:52.55 | udos | (no manpage) |
| 05:53.04 | udos | README.Debian |
| 05:53.09 | Vasistha | Dewi: huh? http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?suite=all&subword=1&exact=&arch=any§ion=all&case=insensitive&keywords=linux-image-2.6.18-4-486&searchon=names |
| 05:53.11 | regeya | udos: do that then :-} |
| 05:53.16 | Dewi | valdyn: so... is there a reason packages.debian.org just says "no package available" rather than displaying the dependancy from linux-image-686 to linux-image-2.6.20-1-686 ? |
| 05:53.39 | r0otz_ | enouf: how do i? because i had this daemon running on a port i wanted.. 123 .. and it woldnt go on that port.. do i gota open it ? give it access? |
| 05:53.39 | Dewi | Vasistha: point is the virtual packages just say "package unavailable". Why can't I see the deps? |
| 05:53.41 | Vasistha | oh, sorry, I shouldn't intrude in the middle :P |
| 05:53.42 | r0otz_ | hi |
| 05:53.45 | dub | seems to be working |
| 05:53.56 | udos | so one should choose between unixodbc and iodbc... ok |
| 05:53.56 | regeya | udos: bear in mind I had that set up on a recently nuked ubuntu install and haven't needed odbc just yet :-} looks like I had an /etc/odbcinst.ini and ~/.odbc.ini |
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| 05:54.05 | regeya | dub aye |
| 05:54.11 | r0otz_ | nmap localhost |
| 05:54.29 | Dewi | Vasistha: makes it quite hard to see what actual kernel versions are available for each arch |
| 05:54.42 | regeya | congrats udos...back to bed with me |
| 05:54.42 | rcbarnes | I'm making a huge mess of my system. Help, while it's still bootable (though it may not be)! I have a kernel source tree downloaded from kernel.org (vanilla) so I can use the new kernel (3ware 9650 raid support's newer than etch). I am trying to add nvidia binary drivers (I know, I should use the free ones, but bear with me). module assist keeps shuffling around my /usr/src dir, and now after a couple kpkg's I've got tons of .debs that I |
| 05:55.34 | Vasistha | Dewi: I'm not sure -- but I can see it: http://packages.debian.org/stable/admin/linux-image-686 |
| 05:56.11 | Dewi | Vasistha: yep, but try that on unstable |
| 05:56.17 | Dewi | Vasistha: it doesn't look at all similar |
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| 05:56.20 | Vasistha | uhm, works for unstable for me, too |
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| 05:57.19 | blenna | i've been having this problem for the past day now. no matter what im doing on my box, it seems to freeze, i can still move the mouse but nothing seems to work. ideas? |
| 05:57.31 | Dewi | Vasistha: really? for me it says " |
| 05:57.38 | Dewi | linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 Package not available" |
| 05:57.44 | freeone3000 | Mmkay. Apparently the package file list for a certain package is missing a newline. python2.4-libxml2. How do I just force debian to make it go away? |
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| 05:57.56 | Dewi | Vasistha: and that's not the version currently available, it's newer |
| 05:58.26 | xoz_ | Vasistha: no availble. look again. |
| 05:58.34 | Vasistha | Dewi: although it's still connected to 2.6.18 .. it looks like one must explicitly specify linux-image-2.6.20 .. probably just a problem with unstable. Well, hey, you're using sid, this is one of the type of problems that come up with sid. Someone forgot to patch everything up. |
| 05:58.55 | Vasistha | Dewi: why don't you report a bug? it's probably just someone's oversight |
| 05:58.56 | Dewi | Vasistha: seems like that virtual package should depend on "linux-image-2.6.20-1-686" instead of "linux-image-2.6.18-4-686" which is unavailable |
| 05:59.38 | Dewi | Vasistha: yeah, probably |
| 05:59.46 | Dewi | Vasistha: just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something in my brain |
| 06:00.01 | dub | cool, seems to be updating libc6 etc now |
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| 06:00.08 | Vasistha | oh .. heh, looks like xoz_ has at least verified for you, if I haven't been quite competent ;) |
| 06:00.13 | blenna | any ideas? my box just seems to freeze... using etch |
| 06:00.53 | Vasistha | blenna: can you press ctrl+alt+f2 to get to a virtual terminal? (and ctrl+alt+f7 to get back) |
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| 06:01.29 | blenna | Vasistha: no |
| 06:01.55 | blenna | Vasistha: its like the ol 98 days |
| 06:01.58 | Vasistha | blenna: what DE are you using? (desktop environment, e.g., gnome, kde, xfce, etc) |
| 06:02.06 | blenna | Vasistha: gnome |
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| 06:02.27 | Vasistha | blenna: regardless of that -- ctrl+alt+backspace should kill X. See if that works. |
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| 06:03.16 | blenna | Vasistha: nothing happens. i can still move the mouse but can't clck on anything |
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| 06:04.17 | geekunit | I'm not getting any sound out of my USB headphones. I changed the default device on the volume prefs. Any ideas? |
| 06:04.36 | xoz_ | blenna: do you have console/xterm running? you can kill gnome |
| 06:04.48 | Vasistha | blenna: interesting. (yeah, I'm sure that's just the word you had in mind, huh? :P ) ... When that kinda freeze happens, I'm often suspicious of the hardware. Is your box pretty clean? Do you live near the ocean? have you checked your memory? Are you sure everything's connected properly? |
| 06:05.34 | blenna | i suspected my ram |
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| 06:05.50 | freeone3000 | Mmkay. Apparently the package file list for a certain package is missing a newline. python2.4-libxml2. How do I just force debian to make it go away? |
| 06:05.55 | blenna | my box has been running hot until i powered a fan in there |
| 06:06.17 | Vasistha | blenna: that certainly isn't good |
| 06:06.23 | xoz_ | blenna: or perhaps mobo problem |
| 06:06.53 | Vasistha | blenna: would it be possible to put the hard drive in another box, and see if it works there? That can be a quick+easy way to see if it's a hardware or a software problem |
| 06:06.55 | dub | thanks, Dewi valdyn etc. got past that hurdle |
| 06:07.46 | blenna | Vasistha: should i boot into cli and read the logs? if so, where? |
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| 06:08.44 | Vasistha | blenna: I dunno if that's going to help at all, but you could. The logs are in /var/log ... I'm not sure which you should read, though. If it is a hardware problem -- and that kind of problem most often is a hardware problem -- then I doubt the logs will tell you anything at all |
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| 06:11.54 | blenna | cpu temp is : 59 c |
| 06:12.16 | xoz_ | that's still normal |
| 06:12.50 | freeone3000 | Apparently the package file list for a certain package is missing a newline. python2.4-libxml2. How do I just force debian to make the package be considered uninstalled? |
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| 06:13.23 | xoz_ | freeone3000: /var/lib/dpkg/status |
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| 06:13.47 | Vasistha | seems like there have been some wonderful improvements to the acpi interface ... when I recently booted up with acpi, it was actually running the fan, and looked like some of the interfaces might work -- I got reasonable temperature readouts and everything! |
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| 06:15.03 | Vasistha | freeone3000: well... could you just uninstall the package? Is it installed or not? Maybe you need to refresh some list with apt-get update ? |
| 06:15.37 | xuser | After compiling latest fluxbox and using it, all my apps have horrible big fonts, what do i need to change here? |
| 06:17.06 | xoz_ | xuser: rm .fluxbox or old configs |
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| 06:17.24 | xoz_ | xuser: backup them firs |
| 06:17.45 | xuser | xoz_: ok |
| 06:18.35 | xoz_ | xuser: inside fluxbox, you can choose themes. try some. it may help. |
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| 06:21.07 | xuser | xoz_: yeah |
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| 06:24.23 | Surtsey | I can't get apt-get to re-install apache2's configuration (/etc/apache) even after I removed the original. I don't know why, I've googled it, I've read man pages - I'm clueless. Can someone point me in the right direction, please? |
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| 06:27.18 | Guerin | Surtsey: what happens when you purge and reinstall it? |
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| 06:27.57 | psbase | does anyone know how I can monitor one single process with top? I can't find anything in the man.. |
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| 06:28.59 | Guerin | psbase: while true; do ps ax |grep pid ; sleep 5; clear; done |
| 06:29.11 | Surtsey | Guerin: Nothing. I removed /etc/apache2 manually after I removed apache, just assuming apt-get would install a new configuration. But even after I remove, purge and reinstall it, nothing's there. |
| 06:29.58 | psbase | Guerin: that's cool. thanx |
| 06:30.12 | Guerin | Surtsey: the config is probably not in the apache2 package, but one of the others. |
| 06:30.14 | Surtsey | psbase: You can also make cool toys out of watch |
| 06:30.35 | Surtsey | Guerin: hmm. That's a good point, I'm pretty sure apache2 itself is a metapackage |
| 06:30.50 | Guerin | yes. |
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| 06:31.46 | Surtsey | Guerin: Know of a better way to remove everything with 'apache' in its name than to just do it by hand with a list build from apt-cache search apache? |
| 06:32.09 | Surtsey | hmm maybe apt supports globbing. |
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| 06:33.43 | Surtsey | Nope, but it supports regex! and holy hell lol. |
| 06:33.50 | Surtsey | .*apache.* is hilarious |
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| 06:34.29 | invain | 322b47229e1ada7b27fd4573bf520bb1 ./selp-pre3-normal-2.1.0.0-arm_v5t_le-20070509.tgz |
| 06:34.39 | invain | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:34.39 | invain | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:34.39 | invain | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:34.39 | invain | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:34.39 | invain | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:34.48 | Surtsey | :/ |
| 06:34.49 | freeone3000 | Apparently the package file list for a certain package is missing a newline. python2.4-libxml2. How do I just force debian to make the package be considered uninstalled? |
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| 06:35.12 | Falkom | hi, do you know any tool to test the server, please? I have crash from kernel each two nights and I am worry. |
| 06:35.30 | freeone3000 | ping? |
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| 06:35.52 | Falkom | I refer kernel integrity |
| 06:37.18 | wols | infernix: #asm is -> that way :) |
| 06:37.33 | freeone3000 | Erg. Okay. That's why. |
| 06:37.44 | freeone3000 | ...I need a way to get python2.4-libxml2's file list. |
| 06:37.52 | freeone3000 | Just the file list. Any suggestions? |
| 06:38.10 | wols | freeone3000: dpkg -L no workie? |
| 06:38.35 | freeone3000 | No, because it's "not installed". |
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| 06:38.54 | freeone3000 | But it cannot be uninstalled because the package file is gone. Had a nasty thing with the filesystem a bit back. |
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| 06:39.59 | wols | you can reinstall it |
| 06:40.07 | freeone3000 | ..mMkay, somehow I fixed that... Thanks. |
| 06:40.25 | Azar | freeone3000: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/462 |
| 06:41.03 | freeone3000 | `apt-get --reinstall install firefox` on unstable doesn't seem to fix an invalid `firefox-bin`. Any ideas why? |
| 06:41.03 | Guerin | Surtsey: awk line |
| 06:41.04 | Surtsey | Guerin: I got it! apt-get remove --purge '.*apache.*';apt-get install apache2 |
| 06:41.08 | Surtsey | Guerin: Thanks for the help :) |
| 06:41.09 | Guerin | heh |
| 06:41.12 | Guerin | or that |
| 06:41.34 | Guerin | freeone3000: firefox is a metapackage, use iceweasel |
| 06:41.43 | Surtsey | I didn't know apt supported regex. Now if I ever want to install every package for Debian I know how to do so... |
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| 06:42.05 | Dewi | hmm |
| 06:42.11 | freeone3000 | Aha, thanks. |
| 06:43.24 | Dewi | so... packages installed without aptitude will *not* be marked as automatic? |
| 06:43.30 | Dewi | (even if they are) |
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| 06:43.39 | sdadsd | hi people |
| 06:43.46 | Dewi | is there some way to list all non-automatic, installed, packages? |
| 06:43.48 | sdadsd | i have this error http://www.esdebian.org/forum/viewtopic.php?forum=4&showtopic=69227 |
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| 06:44.12 | Azar | Dewi: more details could be on /usr/share/aptitude/README |
| 06:44.24 | Dewi | sdadsd: looks like a failing hard drive |
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| 06:45.04 | sdadsd | mm Dewi i read in google and i see that i need disable stroke parameter in kernel |
| 06:45.04 | Dewi | sdadsd: maybe run some SMART scans? |
| 06:45.17 | Azar | errrr /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README |
| 06:45.38 | Dewi | sdadsd: you want to add 'nostroke' ? |
| 06:45.58 | sdadsd | yes |
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| 06:47.02 | Dewi | sdadsd: I guess you could add it to your boot loader, or if you only want it once, type it into the bootloader prompt |
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| 06:47.18 | sdadsd | mmm |
| 06:47.23 | Dewi | sdadsd: but the precise details depend how your bootloader is set up |
| 06:47.23 | sdadsd | i have grub |
| 06:47.46 | Dewi | sdadsd: so... you have some drive your BIOS can't handle the size of? |
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| 06:48.43 | sdadsd | no |
| 06:48.52 | sdadsd | all devides in bios have a size |
| 06:48.58 | sdadsd | devices sorry |
| 06:49.24 | sdadsd | i can't find anything |
| 06:49.25 | sdadsd | http://www.google.es/search?hl=es&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aes-ES%3Aofficial&hs=oP0&q=grub+nostroke+&btnG=B%C3%BAsqueda&meta= |
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| 06:51.47 | jstevens | Generally I run testing. Since etch became stable, I've just stuck with etch. What is the current state of testing? Anyone running it? I ask as there were some rough patches shortly after sarge went stable. There were the ABI changes and other large transitions that left testing somewhat unusable for a while. What are folks thoughts on lenny in the next few months? |
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| 06:52.35 | suppaman | hi |
| 06:52.50 | jstevens | Any large changes expected in lenny in the near future? |
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| 06:53.08 | sdadsd | what is you opinion Dewi |
| 06:53.18 | Guerin | jstevens: yes. |
| 06:53.26 | suppaman | I've switched my access point from a NetGear to a La Fonera and cannot connect anymore to the wireless network with the debian box while I can connect with OS X clients, can anyone pls assist me ? |
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| 06:53.51 | peterS | jstevens: glibc 2.5 is presumably slated to move to testing some time soon. (not quite yet.) that might be disruptive, though I haven't had problems with it |
| 06:54.11 | peterS | jstevens: (one thing it _will_ do is require kernel 2.6, so if you haven't moved to 2.6 yet, you'll have to) |
| 06:54.21 | Dewi | Azar: aah, found it. aptitude search '~i!~M' ... potentially useful in the future, thanks |
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| 06:54.47 | jstevens | Oh yeah, I'm running 2.6. |
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| 06:55.10 | ais | Can somebody help with this. http://paste.debian.net/27495 |
| 06:55.19 | sdadsd | mm Dewi thais is you opinion? |
| 06:55.20 | Azar | Dewi: scroll down to "Managing packages" >> "Managing automatically installed packages" :) |
| 06:55.24 | jstevens | I guess I'll give it a go... :^) |
| 06:55.52 | Dewi | sdadsd: my opinion is that I would be interested to know why you want to disable stroke |
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| 06:56.46 | Dewi | Azar: heh. That's not the section that was useful. |
| 06:56.55 | sdadsd | mm Dewi i can't find anything in google by grub nostroke config |
| 06:57.14 | Azar | Dewi: lots of tricks out there like the one you just discovered :) |
| 06:57.18 | Dewi | sdadsd: why do you want to set nostroke? |
| 06:57.44 | sdadsd | in the google say that it is my solution |
| 06:58.02 | ais | anybody that can help with the post datbase script on Debian? |
| 06:58.11 | ais | http://paste.debian.net/27495 |
| 06:58.15 | suppaman | how can I check that I connected to the wifi network ? |
| 06:58.26 | freeone3000 | ping google.com |
| 06:58.28 | Acu | anyone knows about html chat room ? |
| 06:58.40 | Dewi | sdadsd: but that post is like a year old |
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| 06:59.05 | Dewi | sdadsd: could we have a real paste of your problem? |
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| 06:59.26 | suppaman | "the" google ? |
| 06:59.49 | Dewi | suppaman: yeah, everything he's showing me is in spanish too, which doesn't help |
| 06:59.56 | Dewi | !tell sdadsd about es |
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| 07:00.22 | sdadsd | yes Dewi |
| 07:01.01 | sdadsd | http://rafb.net/p/Xf1rAI96.html |
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| 07:01.32 | Acu | I have a question a bit off topic - but I hope someone knows the answer - I have most strange occurence: an html file has links to a folder with videos (*.wmv) however only first three of four links work - the remaining give the message that the target file was not found - though the file is clearly there - why is that ? |
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| 07:02.06 | Sazpaimon | is there an rsync flag to not overwrite files? |
| 07:02.12 | xoz_ | sdadsd: you drive is dying |
| 07:02.18 | suppaman | Dewi: unless you're of spanish tongue |
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| 07:02.26 | sdadsd | dewi this is a error http://rafb.net/p/Xf1rAI96.html |
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| 07:03.02 | suppaman | this is my problem: http://rafb.net/p/duPkwc92.html dhclient doesn't seem to get any offers but other computers receive configuration via dhcp |
| 07:03.39 | Vasistha | Acu: can you download it with wget? |
| 07:03.59 | Vasistha | Sazpaimon: almost definitely. did you man rsync ? |
| 07:04.02 | Dewi | suppaman: network unplugged? monitoring wrong interface? firewall settings? |
| 07:04.07 | Sazpaimon | im looking through --help |
| 07:04.13 | Sazpaimon | havent done man yet |
| 07:04.14 | Dewi | suppaman: eth21 is an awfully high number! |
| 07:04.22 | suppaman | Dewi: none of those |
| 07:04.31 | suppaman | Dewi: I'm using rt2400 driver |
| 07:04.35 | suppaman | it's a wireless nic |
| 07:04.58 | xoz_ | suppaman: pastebin /etc/network/interface |
| 07:04.59 | Dewi | suppaman: I wonder if those warnings are relevant: "sit0: unknown hardware address type 776" |
| 07:05.03 | suppaman | my config was a Netgear 10Mbps AP a debian box and two ibooks |
| 07:05.04 | xoz_ | interfaces |
| 07:05.07 | Dewi | suppaman: my guess is your encryption isn't working |
| 07:05.11 | suppaman | xoz_ ok just a mom |
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| 07:05.12 | xoz_ | suppaman: wep key problem? |
| 07:05.18 | Dewi | suppaman: can you configure it manually without DHCP first? |
| 07:05.22 | Dewi | suppaman: then try for DHCP |
| 07:05.31 | Sazpaimon | there it is |
| 07:05.32 | Sazpaimon | --size-only |
| 07:05.38 | Sazpaimon | skip files that match in size |
| 07:05.40 | suppaman | the point is that with Netgear everything is ok |
| 07:05.42 | Sazpaimon | what a stupid flag for that |
| 07:05.43 | xoz_ | suppaman: pastebin iwconfig |
| 07:05.55 | suppaman | I replaced the Netgear with a La Fonera |
| 07:06.00 | Dewi | Sazpaimon: that won't stop it overwriting files, just ones with the same size |
| 07:06.08 | Sazpaimon | thats all I want |
| 07:06.17 | Sazpaimon | my last transfer dumped out mid-way |
| 07:06.17 | suppaman | (a few minutes ago) now I can reach the internet with the ibooks but not with the debian box |
| 07:06.25 | Dewi | Sazpaimon: it's probably for speed more than anything |
| 07:06.42 | dub | anyone used tac-plus? |
| 07:06.43 | sdadsd | mm Dewi i can't find information about disable stroke in my bootloeader |
| 07:06.44 | Sazpaimon | i just wanted to pick up where i left off |
| 07:06.48 | Acu | Vasistha: is in my hard disk (so I have a file DVD_Index.html which points to a folder /DVD which contains *.wmv --- as I said the first 4 or five hyperlinks work fine - the other do not - however if I go and using NVU I recreate the hyperlink again - it will work - however - since there are hundred of files I wanted to do it automatically (find and replace ) |
| 07:06.49 | Vasistha | Sazpaimon: --ignore-existing |
| 07:06.51 | dub | im getting tac_plus[6693]: warning: can't get client address: Bad file descriptor |
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| 07:07.15 | Sazpaimon | Vasistha, but who knows if the last file only got partially transfered |
| 07:07.22 | suppaman | iwconfig output |
| 07:07.23 | suppaman | http://rafb.net/p/HUSkWU79.html |
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| 07:07.45 | Sazpaimon | that way --size-only will overwrite any partially transferred file, and skip files already trasnfered |
| 07:07.49 | Sazpaimon | *trasnferred |
| 07:07.50 | Azar | Dewi: while ~M is for automatically installed, ~m is for manual :) |
| 07:07.55 | Sazpaimon | right? |
| 07:08.10 | Vasistha | Sazpaimon: ohh ... I think rsync's pretty smart about updating ... you should really read the manpage, it'll probably answer your question. not just the --help, read the real manpage |
| 07:08.19 | Sazpaimon | I did |
| 07:10.36 | Dewi | Azar: the docs don't mention that! |
| 07:10.36 | xoz_ | suppaman: seems ok. are you using wep? |
| 07:10.36 | suppaman | wpa from what I can see |
| 07:10.36 | Dewi | Azar: also they say it takes a parameter and matches a maintainer ... hmm |
| 07:10.36 | suppaman | the point is this damn La Fonera has the crappiest documentation I ever seen |
| 07:10.36 | Azar | Dewi: yes it is very shortly mentioned along with the other ~ handles |
| 07:10.36 | xoz_ | suppaman: then you need to configure wpa |
| 07:10.36 | Dewi | Azar: undocumented feature? :) |
| 07:10.37 | Sazpaimon | my putty session just happaned to close in the middle of my sync, --size-only should be good in regards to picking up where i left off |
| 07:10.37 | Vasistha | Acu: err, so *you* are trying to create an index here? And what tool are you using to create this index? Are you looking at this index in a browser? I have no idea what you're trying to do, here |
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| 07:10.37 | xoz_ | suppaman: or try no key for a while just to check. wpa-supplicant |
| 07:10.37 | Azar | Dewi: just have to browse it very slowly |
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| 07:10.37 | Dewi | sdadsd: did you just paste the exact same year-old info? |
| 07:10.37 | Dewi | sdadsd: have you really been trying to solve this problem for 8 months? |
| 07:10.38 | Azar | there is a ton of info there and my o my we can even customize aptitude in several ways |
| 07:10.38 | Vasistha | Sazpaimon: I would be inclined to trust that |
| 07:10.38 | suppaman | xoz_: you mean no key at AP side , don't you ? |
| 07:10.38 | Dewi | Azar: you really like aptitude don't you? (tell you a secret: so do I) |
| 07:10.38 | Sazpaimon | Vasistha, you would be right, too, its going just as expected |
| 07:10.38 | xoz_ | suppaman: or disable security |
| 07:10.38 | Dewi | sdadsd: anyway I gotta go, bye |
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| 07:10.39 | sdadsd | no dewi but is the same same error |
| 07:10.41 | xoz_ | suppaman: you cannot connect due to key problem |
| 07:10.45 | Dewi | sdadsd: sure, but is your drive FAILING? |
| 07:10.51 | sdadsd | no |
| 07:10.55 | Sazpaimon | i still think --size-only is a pretty dumb flag |
| 07:10.55 | sdadsd | the drive is correct |
| 07:10.56 | Dewi | sdadsd: because that looks awfully similar to a hardware failure |
| 07:11.11 | suppaman | xoz_: how can you say that ? |
| 07:11.15 | Azar | Dewi: yes :) and the README section is like a airplane model toy that you just to have to glue it up to get a shape |
| 07:11.17 | Dewi | sdadsd: how big is your disk? and how old is your motherboard? |
| 07:11.22 | sdadsd | in this web i see a solution Dewi http://www.esdebian.org/forum/viewtopic.php?forum=4&showtopic=69227 |
| 07:11.33 | sdadsd | mm Dewi 10GB 4years |
| 07:11.50 | Dewi | sdadsd: so why would a 4 year old mboard have trouble seeing a 10gb drive? |
| 07:11.53 | sdadsd | i have 3 hdd, 40,10,8GB, the fail is on hdb(10gb) |
| 07:11.58 | Dewi | sdadsd: are you SURE it's the same problem? |
| 07:12.01 | sdadsd | yes |
| 07:12.10 | Dewi | sdadsd: so why didn't the other larger drives fail? |
| 07:12.16 | xoz_ | suppaman: you have good signal but as long as you havent configured the right key/wpa, you will not get acknowledgement from your AP |
| 07:12.17 | Vasistha | sdadsd: you're sure you've got all the jumpers set up properly? |
| 07:12.18 | suppaman | xoz_: I my interfaces file I have the following line : up /sbin/iwconfig eth21 essid FON_PRIVATE key XXXXXXXXXX |
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| 07:12.37 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 07:12.37 | dpkg | * Guerin -> skool | <abrotman> where Guerin learns to control his irc client :) | <Guerin> amphi: i can control my irc client!!!1 |
| 07:12.41 | sdadsd | i don't know dewi but i can try with other hdd and the error is same |
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| 07:12.50 | xoz_ | suppaman: google wpa supplicant. if you use wep key, you can do that |
| 07:12.51 | suppaman | xoz_: they key is actually right, so the point is that I'm not providing it correctly to iwconfig |
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| 07:13.10 | xoz_ | suppaman: it is wep key maybe, not wpa key |
| 07:13.28 | suppaman | xoz_: I think this device is locked wpa but I'm not sure, I'm gonna google now |
| 07:13.28 | Azar | Dewi: ~g matches packages which are not installed, or which were automatically installed and are not depended upon by any installed package :) |
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| 07:14.41 | xoz_ | suppaman: apt-get install wpasupplicant |
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| 07:14.55 | Acu | Vasistha: I found it - the html file has the hyperlinks towards CAPITAL letters - while the *.wmv had small letter - I think for Windows that is not a problem - however for linux it does not work |
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| 07:15.04 | suppaman | xoz_: ok but from what I can see iwconfig doesn't have separate options for wpa or wep |
| 07:15.21 | Vasistha | Acu: yes, that would be an incompatibility |
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| 07:15.29 | xoz_ | suppaman: http://wiki.debian.org/WPA |
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| 07:15.32 | dreamil | hello |
| 07:15.41 | misreckoning | is there a way to specify WEP passphrase in Etch with gnome-network manager? |
| 07:15.47 | dreamil | can someone tell me, how to convert i386 deb to amd64? |
| 07:15.48 | xoz_ | suppaman: it has its own config for the key |
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| 07:16.15 | xoz_ | suppaman: /etc/wpasupplicant.conf |
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| 07:16.57 | xoz_ | suppaman: in etch, it is also configured in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 07:17.46 | xoz_ | suppaman: that debian wiki is well-written. just follow the steps there. |
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| 07:18.29 | suppaman | thanks |
| 07:18.47 | xoz_ | suppaman: wireless-tools is the package, no longer wpasupplicant |
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| 07:18.57 | suppaman | I have wireless-tools already installed |
| 07:18.59 | Acu | Vasistha: thanks anyhow - there is a saying that what a stupid can do - cannot be undone by 10 geniuses - here is just amatorim " a la Windows" |
| 07:19.04 | suppaman | it provides iwconfig |
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| 07:19.21 | suppaman | btw I obviously cannot install other packages atm :-) |
| 07:19.40 | xoz_ | suppaman: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-wpa/wpasupplicant/trunk/debian/README.modes?op=file&rev=0&sc=0 |
| 07:19.50 | tarzeau | dreamil: reinstall |
| 07:19.55 | Vasistha | Acu: sometimes all it takes is asking in a public channel, and you figure it out yourself ;) |
| 07:20.17 | dreamil | tarzeau: ? |
| 07:20.19 | xoz_ | suppaman: it is ok, just read the last link. it contains the most important info |
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| 07:20.33 | tarzeau | 09:15 < dreamil> can someone tell me, how to convert i386 deb to amd64? |
| 07:20.36 | dreamil | tarzeau: i want to convert a particular deb package from i386 to amd64 |
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| 07:20.52 | tarzeau | aha, rebuild the source pkg |
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| 07:20.58 | dreamil | how? |
| 07:21.04 | xoz_ | suppaman: particularly the option for wpa key |
| 07:21.04 | dreamil | any help? |
| 07:21.06 | tarzeau | where is the software? |
| 07:21.15 | tarzeau | dreamil: apt-get source pkg; cd pkg*; debuild |
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| 07:21.55 | Pete_B | Hi. With Sarge, prior to running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, it was worth installing read-edid and mdetect. Does anyone know if in Etch these are installed by d-i and left in place or are they still removed? |
| 07:21.55 | dreamil | i dont have source deb package but |
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| 07:22.02 | Vasistha | misreckoning: I'm not sure, but I know it's trivially easy with kde network manager -- you just try to connect to the network, and it'll prompt you. I should hope gnome's would be similarly easy... |
| 07:22.05 | dreamil | they only distribute 386 debs |
| 07:22.17 | cydork | dreamil: which software is this? |
| 07:22.22 | misreckoning | Vasistha: hm I will try it |
| 07:22.24 | dreamil | xvidcap |
| 07:22.31 | insecure | how do i debug any bash script /how the script is executeing |
| 07:22.35 | misreckoning | Vasistha: in Ubuntu it works I think |
| 07:22.42 | tarzeau | dreamil: xvidcap.sf.net -- who, they? |
| 07:22.47 | dreamil | yes |
| 07:22.52 | tarzeau | insecure: bash -x thescript |
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| 07:23.24 | insecure | i try that but it dont give much dtls |
| 07:23.28 | Azar | Pete_B: I am not sure of your question but udev does now the job |
| 07:23.30 | Pete_B | Vasistha: what was your question? |
| 07:23.39 | Vasistha | insecure: so put in a debugging line? |
| 07:23.39 | Pete_B | Azar: great, thanks |
| 07:23.59 | Vasistha | Pete_B: I wasn't aware I asked one |
| 07:24.09 | insecure | how i can do that |
| 07:24.33 | Vasistha | insecure: just echo something, you know, check the variable values or whatever |
| 07:24.34 | cydork | insecure: put set -x in that? |
| 07:24.42 | Acu | Vasistha: actually a guy named nanobot asked this genial question after I pose the initial question in #html |
| 07:24.43 | Pete_B | Vasistha: I just arrived, it looked like you;d asked a question about network-manager-gnome and didn't get a specific answer, I know some about this so thought I could help |
| 07:25.10 | Vasistha | Pete_B: [00:15] <misreckoning> is there a way to specify WEP passphrase in Etch with gnome-network manager? |
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| 07:25.58 | cydork | insecure: i mean combination of set -x and set +x |
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| 07:26.02 | aldin | if i have amd64 installation, and want to compile something from source on it do i have to put some arguments on ./configure, make make install or not? |
| 07:26.11 | insecure | cydork: u mean 1st set -x and bash -x scriptname ? or other way |
| 07:26.14 | Azar | simonrvn looks has lost his connection |
| 07:26.19 | xoz_ | aldin: ./configure --help |
| 07:26.31 | Pete_B | misreckoning: it prompts you for the security type that is required, you enter the key or passphrase and it remembers it for that particular AP |
| 07:26.43 | aldin | xoz_: i mean is it same as i would compile it on 32bit |
| 07:26.45 | NefariousPrior | Anyone know how I can have openbox open a couple apps for me when I login with GDM? |
| 07:26.49 | cydork | insecure: no i mean in the script put the set -x where you want the output and set +x after those statements |
| 07:27.01 | xoz_ | aldin: .configure takes care of that |
| 07:27.23 | aldin | xoz_: ok |
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| 07:28.17 | aldin | xoz_: thanks |
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| 07:29.57 | misreckoning | Pete_B: it offers only Plain (ASCII) and Hex type, while I need WEP or WPA (wep probably) |
| 07:29.59 | Azar | Pete_B: got the chance to nose around on the release notes? see what is new, what is gone ? in Etch? |
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| 07:30.21 | misreckoning | NefariousPrior: use session manager |
| 07:30.37 | misreckoning | NefariousPrior: oh sorry - openbox :) |
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| 07:31.06 | NefariousPrior | misreckoning: what? lol |
| 07:31.14 | Vasistha | misreckoning: are you sure it's not just autodetecting that and failing to mention it in its dialog? |
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| 07:31.50 | roland_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:31.52 | Pete_B | Azar: with regard to network-mananger-gnome? |
| 07:31.56 | roland_ | it worked ok and now it stoped working |
| 07:31.59 | roland_ | with this message |
| 07:32.03 | Vasistha | NefariousPrior: have you tried asking #openbox ? |
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| 07:32.26 | misreckoning | Vasistha: no I don't think so - although I didn't understand you quite well :) |
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| 07:32.26 | Vasistha | roland_: have you checked the cable? |
| 07:32.36 | DeepY0X | hi, what package is for apt-setup? |
| 07:32.39 | Azar | Pete_B: no , in regard to your initial question about readedit, mdetect |
| 07:32.49 | NefariousPrior | Vasistha: #openbox is invite only. 8( |
| 07:33.07 | misreckoning | NefariousPrior: I hear that GNOME is much better than openbox these days ;) |
| 07:33.12 | Azar | NefariousPrior: they have a website with howto stuff in it |
| 07:33.27 | Pete_B | misreckoning: is it not offering plain ASCII specifically for WEP? it should have recognised the AP was WEP and only offer you key methods for WEP. Be sure you;ve disabled all mention of net connections in GNOME's regular net setup section for it to work best |
| 07:33.36 | Azar | misreckoning: gnome is much more bloated than a small openbox |
| 07:33.38 | NefariousPrior | misreckoning: Gnome is great if you prefer things look horrible. lol |
| 07:33.42 | roland_ | Vasistha: im checking the cable now |
| 07:33.42 | Vasistha | misreckoning: could it be that gnome-networkmanager is autodetecting wep vs wpa? |
| 07:33.43 | Pete_B | Azar: no, good point |
| 07:33.51 | Azar | Pete_B: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/index.en.html#contents |
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| 07:34.45 | misreckoning | Pete_B, Vasistha : how could I know that - or how can I disable autodetection? I'm suspicious about ndiswrapper ... |
| 07:34.51 | Vasistha | NefariousPrior: why don't you hang out in #freenode for a while and see if anyone can help you figure out how to get invited in |
| 07:35.04 | Azar | heck I open an xterm with openbox, access the /etc/network/interfaces and I have at it... |
| 07:35.43 | Azar | NefariousPrior: I guess #openbox closed here and opened on oftc |
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| 07:35.47 | Pete_B | misreckoning: from memory, it should say in the dialog, but I can't check cos that would knock me off the AP I'm on. Exactly what do you see? |
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| 07:36.09 | NefariousPrior | oftc ? |
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| 07:36.30 | Azar | NefariousPrior: new server, but NOT SURE, check the openbox website they list their irc location there |
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| 07:36.41 | misreckoning | Pete_B: Atheros with ndiswrapper, Etch - connecting to WEP network |
| 07:36.45 | NefariousPrior | k |
| 07:36.51 | roland_ | i checked |
| 07:36.54 | misreckoning | Pete_B: I see a list of networks |
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| 07:36.57 | roland_ | cable is faulty |
| 07:37.15 | misreckoning | Pete_B: with signal strenght (and some have icons if they are protected) |
| 07:37.18 | roland_ | but how could the cable get broken ? i mean.. its intact.. what happened |
| 07:37.20 | Vasistha | NefariousPrior: irc.oftc.net I think |
| 07:37.33 | Pete_B | misreckoning: when you click on one, what does the dialog that asks for the key say? |
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| 07:37.36 | roland_ | did something in it fry? |
| 07:37.37 | misreckoning | Pete_B: after I select my network I get two fields - a combo and a text box |
| 07:37.51 | insecure | cydork: *pls* do i have to edit script with set -x and end with set +x or at command i have to type this for example i have to debug sshd script how do i debug it |
| 07:37.55 | Vasistha | roland_: cables sometimes go bad. it's a fact of life. they're just not as dependable as we'd all like them to be. who knows why. just throw it away and get a new one |
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| 07:38.02 | misreckoning | Pete_B: in the combo I have Plain (ASCII) and Hexadecimal - nothing else |
| 07:38.31 | roland_ | Vasistha: all the cable from the router to the linux pc or can i just cut the begining of it and put another head on it and try? |
| 07:38.35 | roland_ | i mean.. partial |
| 07:38.38 | roland_ | or total throw away |
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| 07:38.47 | cydork | insecure: you have to edit the script and put "set -x" before the statements you want to debug and "set +x" after them. |
| 07:38.47 | Pete_B | misreckoning: no title or something above those text boxes? hmm... it should have understood that this is WEP. Is the AP not WEP? |
| 07:38.51 | Vasistha | roland_: you can do whatever you want. at least they're not difficult to test! |
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| 07:38.55 | NefariousPrior | hmmm ".xsession" OR ".Xsession" ? |
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| 07:39.15 | roland_ | Vasistha: but would you try again with the same cable or get a new one ? |
| 07:39.22 | insecure | ok |
| 07:39.24 | insecure | thanks |
| 07:39.32 | Vasistha | roland_: I would probably get a new one, seeing as I don't have a crimping tool |
| 07:39.39 | misreckoning | Pete_B: I don't know now for sure, I will reboot to debian to check, and I will ask the administrator for the exact information |
| 07:40.00 | Vasistha | roland_: in the case of the cable that the dog chewed up, I would cut it in half and make two cables out of it. |
| 07:40.09 | Vasistha | (if I had a crimping tool, that is) |
| 07:40.14 | roland_ | hmm i have |
| 07:40.15 | Pete_B | misreckoning: in my experience I would recommend trusting network-manager-gnome, it tends to be really good. |
| 07:40.15 | roland_ | a cutter |
| 07:40.26 | misreckoning | so see ya' in minute |
| 07:40.45 | misreckoning | (yes I will try to reconfigure ndiswrapper) |
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| 07:41.35 | roland_ | maybe if i would have a shielded twisted pair cable it might not have happened |
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| 07:41.42 | roland_ | who knows |
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| 07:42.36 | grumbel | does anybody know a good free single player FPS for linux (beside the doom/quake shareware stuff)? |
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| 07:43.20 | Vasistha | roland_: someone once told me that if a cable is coiled or bent in certain places, and if it's used like that for many months or years, the wires can build up a little charge oriented in that direction, and if you re-bend it it can stop working ... dunno if it's true. |
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| 07:44.06 | roland_ | hmm it makes sense |
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| 07:44.19 | roland_ | btw phiber optic cabling is more reliable than the regular utps ? |
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| 07:44.29 | Vasistha | *fiber |
| 07:44.35 | roland_ | sry fiber |
| 07:45.03 | Vasistha | heh .. I have no idea. I've never used fiber, myself. I'm sure you can read about it on the internet, though |
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| 07:46.49 | jetx | et, tremulous, ioterror |
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| 07:47.13 | Fetrovsky | somebody tell a joke |
| 07:47.14 | Fetrovsky | =/ |
| 07:47.36 | Vasistha | Fetrovsky: two peanuts were walking down the street and one was assalted |
| 07:47.44 | Fetrovsky | hahahahah |
| 07:47.48 | Fetrovsky | taht's a good one >) |
| 07:47.58 | Vasistha | and here I was expecting I should be smacked for that |
| 07:48.13 | Fetrovsky | hmm |
| 07:48.19 | Fetrovsky | are you a guy? |
| 07:49.09 | Crypticfortune | roland_: i think that depends on what your deifnition of "reliable" |
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| 07:49.40 | Fetrovsky | oh you're a guy |
| 07:49.40 | roland_ | reliable as in "physical" |
| 07:49.50 | roland_ | if it can resist bending and bad conditions |
| 07:49.54 | roland_ | better than utp |
| 07:50.05 | roland_ | less than optimal conditions |
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| 07:50.43 | Crypticfortune | roland_: oh, in that case i'd guess UTP, but fiber's so expensive i've never really dared treat it roughly... |
| 07:50.45 | Vasistha | roland_: well, fiber of course has the limitation that it can't be bent aroudn a very small angle. all curving must be gradual |
| 07:50.45 | roland_ | if the calbe is more physically resistent |
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| 07:51.06 | roland_ | ok |
| 07:51.34 | roland_ | is there a health related channel on freenode? |
| 07:51.36 | Crypticfortune | Vasistha: technically you aren't supposed to bend UTP around small angles either (i think the spec is something like 1 meter to make a 90 degree turn) |
| 07:51.39 | Vasistha | Fetrovsky: Vasistha is a sage in the Hindu texts; pronouned vah-seesth-tah |
| 07:52.10 | Vasistha | Crypticfortune: heh, who knows, the difference is that utp *can* work like that, whereas fiber really can't :D |
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| 07:52.18 | Fetrovsky | i'm having problems with the sth combo |
| 07:52.35 | Fetrovsky | especially if followed by a 't' right after... |
| 07:52.37 | Fetrovsky | =/ |
| 07:52.41 | Fetrovsky | so you're indian? |
| 07:52.48 | dreamil | tarzeau: you still therE? |
| 07:52.53 | Vasistha | Fetrovsky: nope |
| 07:52.59 | tarzeau | dreamil: yes |
| 07:52.59 | Fetrovsky | ahh |
| 07:53.05 | Crypticfortune | Vasistha: very true. i think putting sharper bends in UTP just means more EM interference and resulting slower throughput, but if you fold a fiber, well, it'll never work again :p |
| 07:53.19 | tarzeau | roland_: just ask and make sure it's debian related |
| 07:53.42 | roland_ | tarzeau: i asked about a health-related discussions channel |
| 07:53.44 | dreamil | tarzeau: so any other way of creating amd64 package from i386 |
| 07:53.47 | roland_ | not linux:) |
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| 07:53.54 | Vasistha | Crypticfortune: come to think of it, I wonder if that's why I'm not getting 100 Mbps throughput through this LAN switch |
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| 07:55.17 | roland_ | whats the best way to stop thinking about food ? im too fat :9 |
| 07:55.31 | Fetrovsky | roland_: get laid |
| 07:55.36 | roland_ | hmm |
| 07:55.40 | roland_ | you are right |
| 07:55.50 | roland_ | and i will get more mature after i get laid too ? |
| 07:55.54 | Crypticfortune | Vasistha: could be millions of reasons for that... if straightening out the cable works though, that'd be pretty cool. |
| 07:55.55 | Vasistha | roland_: discipline :P and, really good-quality delicious health food |
| 07:56.18 | Fetrovsky | roland_: either that or more immature, but it'll work tho |
| 07:56.26 | roland_ | lol.. good |
| 07:56.30 | tarzeau | dreamil: i only know about building the source on the right machine |
| 07:56.33 | xoz_ | roland_: /msg dpkd sextips |
| 07:56.36 | Fetrovsky | the exercise is good too xD |
| 07:56.42 | Vasistha | Crypticfortune: ehm, more likely it's the past abuse of the cables that would cause them to not work perfectly now, not their current positioning ... although they are doing pretty tight 180's |
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| 07:56.55 | roland_ | yeah i used to go to the gym and look good but i stoped and got very fat now.. well not too fat but fat |
| 07:57.11 | roland_ | and i think that i wont get succes to geting laid or getting a gf |
| 07:57.18 | tarzeau | roland_: do sports? |
| 07:57.26 | infester_ | Can anybody help me setting up bootsplash on my ibook g4? I've installed the patch and the bootsplash package but i don't know how to configure yaboot.conf :/ |
| 07:57.29 | tarzeau | roland_: go out, don't have stress |
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| 07:57.33 | Vasistha | roland_: ah, first thing, stop thinking badly about yourself. lots of women dig fat guys. your self-confidence and wit are far more important than your weight |
| 07:57.41 | tarzeau | roland_: what country? |
| 07:57.50 | Fetrovsky | i need to lose like 20kg |
| 07:58.07 | tarzeau | Fetrovsky: it's do-able. i lost 12kg in a year |
| 07:58.12 | Fetrovsky | cool |
| 07:58.14 | Fetrovsky | doing what? |
| 07:58.17 | roland_ | im 19 years im 1.73m height and have 85kg (sorry i live in eastern europe) |
| 07:58.21 | roland_ | im kind of fat |
| 07:58.43 | Crypticfortune | Fetrovsky: im in the same category >_<;; unfotunately getting laid doesn't cut it =p |
| 07:58.46 | Fetrovsky | sorry about what? |
| 07:58.46 | roland_ | plus i fear that i might get reject for having a smaller than average dick ;-/ |
| 07:59.06 | Fetrovsky | i'm about 30kg heavier than i was 10 yrs ago |
| 07:59.17 | Fetrovsky | i need to get rid of 20-25 of those |
| 07:59.19 | tarzeau | Fetrovsky: body building like 30minutes, 2 times a week for 2 months |
| 07:59.37 | Fetrovsky | yeah i should go back to the gym |
| 07:59.43 | Fetrovsky | i keep postponing it tho |
| 07:59.50 | roland_ | same here |
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| 07:59.57 | tarzeau | just go and do it |
| 08:00.04 | tarzeau | don't think, and enjoy doing it |
| 08:00.08 | Fetrovsky | yeah i think i'll do it |
| 08:00.13 | Fetrovsky | i used to be good at that |
| 08:00.23 | Fetrovsky | like 8 yrs ago :P |
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| 08:00.37 | yettenet | How can I set the default browser? |
| 08:00.51 | Vasistha | yettenet: depends on your DE. gnome/kde/??? |
| 08:00.51 | mandingo | ugh, why do you hate me libmysqlclient15? |
| 08:01.04 | dimir | M 'oink 'oink 'oink! |
| 08:01.10 | Vasistha | mandingo: because the third letter of your nick is 'n' |
| 08:01.15 | mandingo | anyone have any more info then the doc on the libmysqlclient15off package and it's changes? |
| 08:01.22 | yettenet | Vasistha: xfce |
| 08:01.24 | mandingo | Vasistha: seriously! |
| 08:01.35 | cydork | yettenet: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 08:01.47 | yettenet | cydork: Thanks |
| 08:02.04 | tarzeau | yettenet: BROWSER=links2 |
| 08:02.11 | Fetrovsky | i'm like 28, 1.70m, 91Kg :S |
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| 08:02.13 | yettenet | tarzeau: I don't get it |
| 08:02.18 | roland_ | whats the cause of small white spots poping out of the skin ? |
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| 08:02.52 | Vasistha | roland_: like zits? :D |
| 08:03.00 | Vasistha | or goosebumps? |
| 08:03.08 | roland_ | dunno how to express it, im not native english . damn.. |
| 08:03.24 | Vasistha | look those up on wikipedia, they should both be there |
| 08:03.26 | Fetrovsky | acne? |
| 08:03.34 | roland_ | Fetrovsky: right |
| 08:03.37 | roland_ | its acne but not red |
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| 08:03.39 | roland_ | its small white |
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| 08:03.42 | tarzeau | roland_: you eat cheese, meat a lot? |
| 08:03.45 | Vasistha | "whiteheads" |
| 08:03.50 | roland_ | tarzeau: so its fat at fault ? |
| 08:03.52 | roland_ | the fats |
| 08:03.53 | Vasistha | some people think chocolate can cause it |
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| 08:03.57 | tarzeau | roland_: and chocolate? |
| 08:04.02 | Fetrovsky | the ones you press and get fat and pus out of it? |
| 08:04.03 | dreamil | tarzeau: ok, thanks |
| 08:04.03 | roland_ | no no sweets almost at al |
| 08:04.04 | tarzeau | roland_: yes reduce that |
| 08:04.05 | roland_ | no |
| 08:04.08 | eMish | The names of deb versions (etch etc), are they alphabetical ? Like, the version after etch will be f* something ? |
| 08:04.09 | Fetrovsky | s/it// |
| 08:04.09 | ttl_work | greetings |
| 08:04.11 | roland_ | ok |
| 08:04.12 | yettenet | Thanks, browser set :P |
| 08:04.22 | Vasistha | eMish: no. that's an ubuntu thing. |
| 08:04.23 | roland_ | but i eat almost no fruits/vegetables.. very rarely |
| 08:04.24 | tarzeau | eMish: no |
| 08:04.31 | ttl_work | ah |
| 08:04.36 | ttl_work | Lenny |
| 08:04.38 | ttl_work | :-) |
| 08:04.38 | VivekVC | Can some one guide to some good bandwidth and network monitoring tools in Debian |
| 08:04.49 | mandingo | iftop! |
| 08:04.50 | mandingo | ;) |
| 08:05.04 | ttl_work | That's why there hasn't been any updates in etch for over a week |
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| 08:05.16 | VivekVC | This is a production environment we need logs |
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| 08:05.35 | infester_ | Can i patch my kernel image with the bootsplash patch? how? |
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| 08:05.49 | mandingo | anywhere I can see debian package changelogs? |
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| 08:06.11 | en1gma | hey all will debian install to my friends computer? he has a fairly fast proc but little ram (256) AND on board video...its set to 8meg frame buffer with 4meg AGP aperature size |
| 08:06.19 | Acu | are there backports for Debian Etch ? |
| 08:06.22 | Vasistha | mandingo: maybe /usr/share/doc |
| 08:06.37 | ttl_work | is it safe to change /etc/apt/sources.list from etch to lenny and aptitude update/upgrade ? |
| 08:06.43 | Acu | I am interested among others about Cinelerra |
| 08:06.46 | mandingo | Vasistha: maybe, I stay far away from that horrendous directory if at all possible, lemme see if there's anything useful there! |
| 08:07.23 | mandingo | Vasistha: thank you! |
| 08:07.28 | Vasistha | Acu: they're slowly starting ... looking at backports.org, it seems that an openoffice backport is here for etch ... it'll probably take a few months for the backports to be very thorough. you can alwas /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 08:08.06 | liable | en1gma: 256 ram is plenty. just may be slow if he uses kde with a shitload of apps open or something similar |
| 08:08.23 | liable | en1gma: all depends whether his hardware is supported by the kernel |
| 08:08.24 | Vasistha | mandingo: yeah, the enormous directories are a bit daunting, huh? you can always, e.g., ls g* or whatever, using the first letter of the package to cut down the list |
| 08:08.39 | en1gma | its newer hardware |
| 08:08.45 | Fetrovsky | i dislike kde more every time i use it |
| 08:08.46 | Vasistha | en1gma: I'm using kde on a 333 MHz box with 192 MB ram here |
| 08:08.53 | en1gma | so it will be...i just cant find any info on the ram requirements |
| 08:08.54 | mandingo | Vasistha: mostly because I've never ran into much that wasn't easier to google for! :) |
| 08:09.05 | Fetrovsky | gnome is a little more of my liking, but not enough yet |
| 08:09.08 | liable | en1gma: new hardware and he only got 256M of ram? |
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| 08:09.17 | en1gma | yes its screwey :) |
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| 08:09.25 | Vasistha | en1gma: make sure you've got some swap. at least once, I ran out of ram and swap, and X crashed |
| 08:09.38 | Fetrovsky | i'm probably going to do what someone sugested... having windows on a vm over deb |
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| 08:09.48 | en1gma | do you have to manually make a swap and turn it on before it will install with installer? |
| 08:09.51 | Fetrovsky | i don't think it's a bad idea |
| 08:10.02 | Fetrovsky | when is the new version going to come out of the clos... |
| 08:10.06 | Fetrovsky | to come out? |
| 08:10.13 | Vasistha | en1gma: the installer can partition and format a swap for you |
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| 08:10.51 | Vasistha | en1gma: I have about 500 MB and am tempted to make it a gig, although ... I only crashed that one time, and it was because I did something stupid |
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| 08:11.04 | en1gma | okie thanks |
| 08:11.09 | en1gma | will start dloading now |
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| 08:12.46 | Acu | Vasistha: thanks - hopefully someone smart will decide to look at cinelerra to make it work with etch - I am going to look back on backports for office - I had OpenOffice crash when I try to open powerponts |
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| 08:17.34 | CyberMad | how to do recursive chmod to a directory? |
| 08:17.39 | Vasistha | chmod -R |
| 08:17.54 | misreckoning | oh, so, I have wlan0 in network-monitor - but I have only Wired Network in gnome network applet :/ |
| 08:18.10 | CyberMad | chmod -R 777 test/*.* or chmod -R 777 test/* ? |
| 08:18.23 | misreckoning | and I do have only Plain and Hexadecimal passphrase - but it stands from the left that it is WEP (so it looks ok) |
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| 08:18.50 | Vasistha | CyberMad: I would just do test/ and cut out the glob entirely, otherwise you'll miss hidden files (those starting with '.') which * does not match |
| 08:18.50 | misreckoning | my conclusion is that I have a problem with activating wlan0 and connecting - because of network applet |
| 08:20.02 | Vasistha | CyberMad: *.* is a windows thing, you can pretty much abandon it and just use * all the time - although you should keep in mind, as I said, that it doesn't match files that begin with a dot |
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| 08:20.48 | yettenet | CyberMad: * should be enough |
| 08:20.50 | Fetrovsky | CyberMad: *.* is useful in unix/l00nix when you wish to refer to files with at least one dot in their name |
| 08:20.50 | Supaplex | or the . or .. directories. but .* will (heed all caution) |
| 08:21.00 | fanen | hi |
| 08:21.10 | fanen | can anyone help me with using gnome2.16 on etch? |
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| 08:21.18 | Vasistha | fanen: just ask your question |
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| 08:23.38 | Azar | ouch hahaha news for the irc : http://www.infodrom.org/~joey/log/?200705090824 |
| 08:23.39 | fanen | http://www.inittab.de/ |
| 08:23.54 | fanen | says that there's gnome2.16 avail for etch, but i can't use it. |
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| 08:24.11 | yettenet | fanen: sudo apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment gdm |
| 08:24.14 | Vasistha | fanen: how about packages.debian.org ? what does that say? |
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| 08:24.20 | fanen | <a href='http://www.inittab.de/'>inittab</a> |
| 08:24.30 | fanen | debian etch has 2.14 on packages.debian.org |
| 08:24.32 | Azar | fanen: try using debian packages |
| 08:24.48 | fanen | if you look here http://people.debian.org/~nobse/etch/gnome2.16/ |
| 08:24.55 | fanen | you'll find 2.16 packages for etch |
| 08:24.55 | Azar | fanen: try backports maybe you can get it from lenny |
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| 08:24.58 | sigterm | ouch is right, damn akill on *@* hah |
| 08:25.04 | liable | Azar: heh, thats quite amusing |
| 08:25.13 | fanen | i added backports |
| 08:25.19 | Azar | liable: well sh** happens :) |
| 08:25.20 | aussie_hatter | how do i tell udev not to load ide-tape but to load ide-scsi on boot ? |
| 08:25.25 | fanen | only a newer kernel showed up, and some other stuff i don't need |
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| 08:26.03 | Azar | "including operators" hahaha |
| 08:26.20 | Vasistha | aussie_hatter: in /etc/modprobe.d make a blacklist.custom file and put ide-tape in it; and add ide-scsi to /etc/modules |
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| 08:26.41 | aussie_hatter | vasishta: thx |
| 08:26.50 | Vasistha | !blacklist |
| 08:26.50 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, do it in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist using "install module_name /bin/true". IMPORTANT: ask about blacklist-initramfs |
| 08:26.52 | P_Kable | I need to convert a vob file to a mov file, ffmpeg -i inputfile.vob outfile.mov gives me very bad quality. How should I tweak that ? |
| 08:27.00 | misreckoning | who is "Steve Harris" ? I found this name as an author of some audio packages ... |
| 08:27.08 | misreckoning | I hope it is not the one from Maiden XD |
| 08:27.23 | liable | !blacklist-initramfs |
| 08:27.23 | dpkg | it has been said that blacklist-initramfs is If your kernel uses an initramfs image (most recent ones do), you need to run update-initramfs in order to refresh its copy of blacklist table. Otherwise, early bootup won't follow your blacklist requests in e.g. /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 08:27.30 | Azar | fanen: ah from backports from etch.. |
| 08:27.54 | fanen | azar: eh? |
| 08:28.00 | liable | misreckoning: i somehow find that quite unlikely :P |
| 08:28.11 | Azar | fanen: the link you showed... is about backports |
| 08:28.33 | Azar | !backports |
| 08:28.33 | dpkg | [backports] a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 08:28.40 | misreckoning | liable: :) |
| 08:28.52 | fanen | http://people.debian.org/~nobse/etch/gnome2.16/ |
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| 08:29.08 | fanen | what do you suggest? |
| 08:29.11 | fanen | azar |
| 08:29.19 | Vasistha | !enter |
| 08:29.19 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. (Remember, the less you annoy us, the more help you're likely to get.) |
| 08:29.47 | Azar | fanen: learn what dpkg tells you about backports, editing your /sources.list then you can "backport" from lenny the gnome version you want (if lenny has it) |
| 08:29.51 | ais | hello guys |
| 08:29.58 | yettenet | Hello, ais |
| 08:30.01 | yettenet | How do you do? |
| 08:30.02 | fanen | hmmm |
| 08:30.14 | ais | how can I see whic version perl i have installed on my debian |
| 08:30.29 | Vasistha | ais: dpkg -l '*perl*' |
| 08:30.33 | ais | yettenet, iam fine. and you? |
| 08:30.33 | Azar | fanen: http://www.inittab.de/blog/backports/20070508_etch-backports.html |
| 08:30.35 | hark | apt-cache policy perl |
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| 08:30.44 | martoss | hi there |
| 08:30.46 | ais | iam still installing RT :-) |
| 08:30.54 | yettenet | ais: Fine, thanks, only I'm a bit tired... :| |
| 08:30.58 | Vasistha | ais: or you can just cut out the glob |
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| 08:31.10 | martoss | what could be wrong, if i have my hostname "192.168.x.x myhostname" in /etc/hosts |
| 08:31.20 | martoss | but a "host myhostname" returns |
| 08:31.30 | martoss | does not exist, try again |
| 08:31.32 | martoss | ? |
| 08:31.40 | hark | !hostname |
| 08:31.40 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' |
| 08:32.04 | fanen | so how do i get lenny backports for etch on my system? |
| 08:32.07 | ais | brb |
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| 08:32.18 | martoss | /etc/hostname is set to the same |
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| 08:32.39 | hark | fanen: there are no lenny backports |
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| 08:32.55 | Vasistha | !tell fanen about simple sid backport |
| 08:32.59 | martoss | and my problem is that i can't restart, cause i am using debian in a chroot |
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| 08:33.24 | Azar | fanen: http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
| 08:33.33 | fanen | i seen that, done that. |
| 08:34.10 | Azar | fanen: so what else do you want? |
| 08:34.19 | fanen | gnome2.16 doesn't show up |
| 08:34.31 | Vasistha | did you run gdm or startx? |
| 08:34.35 | Azar | fanen: because maybe the 2.16 is not yet in the backports repositories |
| 08:34.38 | fanen | what i'm saying is that on this page |
| 08:35.07 | fanen | http://people.debian.org/~nobse/etch/gnome2.16/ |
| 08:35.23 | fanen | there's gnome216 packages for etch |
| 08:35.27 | Azar | fanen: it might be there but it did not "made it" to backports yet, maybe is buggy |
| 08:35.28 | fanen | how can i use them? |
| 08:35.35 | formorer | its work in progress |
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| 08:35.51 | formorer | as nobse statet: the backport is not finished yet |
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| 08:35.59 | fanen | pls read this http://www.inittab.de/blog/backports |
| 08:36.05 | Azar | fanen: so install it, break the system then reinstall etch and wait for the package to be ready |
| 08:36.18 | fanen | i can't even install in the first place. |
| 08:36.36 | formorer | wait until they are ready. |
| 08:36.40 | Azar | ok so wait until is verified , fixed and put on the backports |
| 08:36.51 | Azar | stop stomping :) |
| 08:37.08 | fanen | hmmm |
| 08:37.21 | fanen | lemme take a look at lenny then. |
| 08:37.21 | fanen | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:37.28 | fanen | is lenny stable enough for day to day use? |
| 08:37.32 | formorer | no |
| 08:37.39 | Azar | lenny is not stable |
| 08:37.40 | formorer | don't expect that |
| 08:37.53 | fanen | what kind of faillures will i expect? |
| 08:38.05 | Azar | crash, reinstall, crash , reinstall.. |
| 08:38.05 | fanen | but i hear people running unstable for that matter |
| 08:38.08 | hark | use nobse's 2.16 backport if you must |
| 08:38.21 | fanen | exactly. show me how to use nobse's backports |
| 08:38.29 | liable | depends whether you dont mind some stuff breaking and can be flexible enough to fix it or if need to use something else |
| 08:38.47 | Azar | he's not patient enough to fix something |
| 08:38.49 | fanen | hark? |
| 08:38.54 | hark | eh, just add it to your sources.list, and do an upgrade? |
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| 08:39.01 | fanen | add what? |
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| 08:39.15 | fanen | pls give me the url |
| 08:39.25 | hark | fanen: man sources.list |
| 08:39.33 | liable | !reference |
| 08:39.33 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/#contents . Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install it too, the packagename is "debian-reference", 'apt-get install debian-reference'. |
| 08:39.35 | hark | fanen: what have you been pasting all along? |
| 08:39.39 | fanen | i can do the adding, i just don't know what to add |
| 08:39.40 | liable | fanen: ^^^ read it |
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| 08:39.59 | Azar | fanen: add the links you have been pasting here |
| 08:40.00 | fanen | one moment |
| 08:40.06 | yetifoot | if a program crashed multiple times a day like konqueror does, should it really be allowed in stable? |
| 08:40.17 | fanen | deb http://people.debian.org/~nobse/etch/gnome2.16/ etch main |
| 08:40.19 | Vasistha | fanen: here's the thing. the way you have been asking questions all evening indicates that you are not, shall we say, an expert debian user. That being the case, you should not be running an unstable or mixed system, because it is plain that you will not be able to get yourself out of the hole that you'll dig yourself into. |
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| 08:40.28 | nhuisman | is there a place that the /dev/mapper is setup? |
| 08:40.33 | nhuisman | like list them? |
| 08:40.38 | hark | fanen: instead of etch main, try ./ |
| 08:40.42 | yettenet | Bash.org :D |
| 08:40.51 | fanen | k. one moment |
| 08:40.58 | yettenet | (what kind of failures should I expect? - crash, reinstall, crash, reinstall) |
| 08:40.58 | Vasistha | fanen: thus, we strongly recommend that you *wait* a couple months for the official backports.org package to be *ready* before you BREAK YOUR SYSTEM -- we advise you this for your own good ;) |
| 08:40.58 | yettenet | nc |
| 08:40.59 | yettenet | :P |
| 08:41.04 | xeQter | I'll soon find out |
| 08:41.19 | nhuisman | how are the labels set? |
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| 08:42.22 | XeN-Lo | hello |
| 08:42.35 | yettenet | Hello, Xenlo |
| 08:42.42 | yettenet | (fantastic rhyming9 |
| 08:42.56 | ais | back again |
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| 08:43.30 | ais | after dpkg -l perl I got this version 5.8.8-7 |
| 08:43.32 | hark | wow, more simonrvn flood |
| 08:43.47 | ais | but that not 1 or 2 |
| 08:43.50 | fanen | hark, you're the man!!! |
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| 08:43.56 | fanen | i have the packages ow. |
| 08:44.07 | Vasistha | ais: huh? what were you expecting, exactly? |
| 08:44.16 | fanen | vas: i dont' mind reinstalling |
| 08:44.27 | fanen | how am i going to get better if i don't try? |
| 08:44.39 | simonrvn | hark: i'll post you my xorg.conf in /query if you think that's flooding |
| 08:44.42 | fanen | i just put ./ instead of 'etch main' |
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| 08:44.47 | Vasistha | fanen: alright, good luck with it, then! |
| 08:44.56 | hark | fanen: yeah, i guess it's better than upgrading to lenny |
| 08:45.07 | Azar | fanen: what you want to do is not compatible with a Stable Debian system. If you want packages that are not in Debian consider moving to ubuntu |
| 08:45.26 | ais | right now iam reading documentation for RT. There is a step for mod_perl1 and mod_perl2. I dont know whic version iam running |
| 08:45.40 | Azar | :) hi simonrvn |
| 08:45.45 | nhuisman | ah yes rt, that's close on my list of things to setup in the next few days |
| 08:45.50 | simonrvn | hello |
| 08:45.58 | c0nf | Hi! I got amd64 version of etch (with Xfce4) ... And I got a question - Will the system update itself? I mean, does it have some updating daemon or something? Or I need to download some something in order to get latest system updates? |
| 08:46.02 | fanen | i also have ubuntu |
| 08:46.05 | Azar | simonrvn: I thought for a moment your connection dies |
| 08:46.07 | XeN-Lo | i'm creating my first preseed.cfg file, ... but i don't understand the values of the 3 numbers in the first line of a partition entry |
| 08:46.08 | hark | simonrvn: heh, just a harmless comment :) |
| 08:46.08 | Azar | died* |
| 08:46.11 | fanen | debian just feels more like the *real* thing |
| 08:46.12 | Vasistha | ais: ah, then perhaps you want my first suggestion, dpkg -l '*perl*' |
| 08:46.19 | nhuisman | conf apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 08:46.23 | nhuisman | will update your packages |
| 08:46.31 | Azar | fanen: then go with the program |
| 08:46.38 | XeN-Lo | anyone have an idee of the sens of this 3 numbers ? |
| 08:46.43 | ais | Vasistha: thanks, but I can only see perl version 5.1. .. |
| 08:46.58 | nhuisman | does anyone know how /dev/mapper entries are set? |
| 08:47.01 | c0nf | nhuisman: thx, but isn't there some daemon which automatically checks for updates, and pops-up, if there are any? |
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| 08:47.35 | XeN-Lo | certainly size and start block, ... but ... |
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| 08:47.47 | nhuisman | oh you mean in X |
| 08:47.52 | c0nf | yea |
| 08:48.00 | nhuisman | there is probably a synaptics thing you can launch |
| 08:48.03 | Vasistha | ais: huh. when I do that, it lists 87 packages. although d.p.o doesn't seem to have a mod_perl package ... I'm really not sure what package you're referring to |
| 08:48.10 | nhuisman | i haven't used debian with X yet, just ubuntu which does pop up |
| 08:48.11 | c0nf | synaptic package manager? |
| 08:48.12 | Azar | fanen: if you want packages not existent on your Debian Stable, download them, and compile them on your own. There is no Debian help here for people who want to break their Debian "just because" want to toy with non-debian packages |
| 08:48.17 | nhuisman | that's what apt-get is |
| 08:48.41 | c0nf | ;) okay, thanks |
| 08:49.03 | hark | simonrvn: but, you did have a problem with your connection ( for the past 5 hours or so ;)) |
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| 08:49.43 | MementoMori | hi all |
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| 08:50.01 | CyberMad | Vasistha so chmod -R 777 test/ will work recursive to all directory and files under test/ ? |
| 08:50.07 | TiGZ | hello |
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| 08:50.09 | Vasistha | CyberMad: yes |
| 08:50.15 | CyberMad | Vasistha thanks.. |
| 08:50.20 | Vasistha | CyberMad: however ... why do you want to do that?? |
| 08:50.36 | MementoMori | what's the line I have to add in sources.list to use http://download.opengroupware.org/releases/stable/opengroupware-1.0.0-finally/sarge/binary-i386/ as repository? |
| 08:50.46 | jzxu | is there an easy and clean way for me to uninstall the entire gnome environment, including gnome apps? |
| 08:50.57 | CyberMad | hehe actually i really dumb with permission.. i think i should give permission to www-data, correct? but i don't know how to do it |
| 08:50.58 | Vasistha | CyberMad: setting the executable bit on all your files is generally considered unwise. why not chmod a+rw instead |
| 08:51.01 | hark | /msg dpkg remove gnome |
| 08:51.12 | jzxu | hark: thanks |
| 08:51.13 | Vasistha | CyberMad: okay, let's work on that instead. |
| 08:51.26 | tigz | Do you think this is possible: Installing Debian on a new world PPC and downloading xfce and running a minimal desktop on my G3 266Mhz Mac :) |
| 08:51.35 | MementoMori | deb http://download.opengroupware.org/releases/stable/opengroupware-1.0.0-finally sarge (and here what?) |
| 08:51.49 | CyberMad | Vasistha what do you mean? so use chmod -R a+rw test/ ? |
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| 08:52.14 | Vasistha | CyberMad: what you should do is this: use chgrp to change the group ownership to www-data. Then, set the sticky bit, so anyone creating files in those directories will create them with the group ownership www-data. And also make sure everyone is using a umask of 002 instead of 022 |
| 08:52.21 | CyberMad | Vasistha actually there is smarty script that write a cache into folder test/views_c/ |
| 08:52.41 | cat | su |
| 08:52.43 | cat | blah |
| 08:53.14 | Vasistha | tigz: maybe. I run kde on a 333 MHz pc with 192 mb ram |
| 08:54.21 | jzxu | also, is there a way to get xscreensaver to blank the screen every hour or so, to force me to take a break? |
| 08:54.43 | c0nf | ./Floola: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory <- anyone know how to fix this? btw, i got libgtk 2.0 installed |
| 08:54.47 | Vasistha | jzxu: you mean, *while* you're working? maybe with cron |
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| 08:55.04 | XeN-Lo | nobody to explain me the partman-auto/expert_recipe in my preseed.cfg file? |
| 08:55.08 | jzxu | Vasistha: yes, while I'm working |
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| 08:55.46 | yettenet | http://haxor.hu/~toxyc/perverse.jpg |
| 08:55.48 | yettenet | HAhlol |
| 08:55.48 | yettenet | :D |
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| 08:56.24 | tigz | Vasistha: if I wanted to download the least, could I download the minimal install cd then apt-et xfce? |
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| 08:56.50 | Vasistha | tigz: to keep downloads to a minimum, use the net install cd, or even the business card cd |
| 08:57.08 | tigz | And then apt-get xfce? |
| 08:57.42 | Vasistha | tigz: I think so, that'd probabl work. Although, since it's a new system, I'd advise trying out aptitude's front-end. It's wonderful, and will streamline your system in the longrun |
| 08:57.50 | yettenet | tigz: apt-get install xfce4 |
| 08:58.01 | Vasistha | heh, I didn't even detect that |
| 08:58.19 | Vasistha | jzxu: check out xset dpms force off |
| 08:58.26 | yettenet | :P |
| 08:58.59 | Vasistha | jzxu: if you can't get the screen back, go to a VT via ctrl+alt+f2 and do: chvt 7 && xset -display :0 dpms force on |
| 08:59.19 | tigz | Vasistha: will it auto start xfce or will I type "xstart" or something similar |
| 08:59.28 | yettenet | tigz: startx, instead |
| 08:59.34 | yettenet | But you can apt-get install gdm |
| 08:59.46 | tigz | ok |
| 08:59.49 | yettenet | And it'll automatically start the desktop manager at system boot |
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| 09:00.13 | Vasistha | (or xdm ... is xdm or gdm better for xfce?) |
| 09:00.24 | jzxu | Vasistha: ha, a bit complicated |
| 09:00.27 | yettenet | Vasistha: I never used xdm, I don't know :P |
| 09:00.33 | tigz | Wel its based on kde |
| 09:00.41 | tigz | If thats and of any help :P |
| 09:00.47 | optraz1 | hello, how do i determine user that is connected to an AP using snmp ? |
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| 09:02.32 | c0nf | hey, i'm using amd64 version of etch and xfce4, in xorg.conf, i have set resolution at 1680x1050, but it doesn't work at it? it works at 1600x1200, and shows some other modes (except for 1680x1050) ... why's that? |
| 09:03.11 | yettenet | Have you tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? |
| 09:03.18 | scx | I am using Cyrus + Postfix + saslauth --- When conctacting POP complains that: The server said: "[AUTH] authenticating: user not found" |
| 09:03.31 | scx | what could be missing here? |
| 09:03.56 | scx | I added the mailbox with cyradm and set passwd with saslauth |
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| 09:05.17 | tigz | Does the buisnesscard cd come with an installer? |
| 09:05.33 | argonic | scx: Cyrus appears to be looking in its own authentication database rather than passwd |
| 09:05.35 | Vasistha | tigz: what do you mean? it's meant to be used as an installer |
| 09:05.44 | argonic | scx: There's probably something under /etc/pam.d/ that applies |
| 09:05.46 | Azar | wtf is madduck elogiating #debian_women? been there and nobody talks (helps) |
| 09:05.59 | tigz | Ok :P |
| 09:06.18 | Vasistha | KABOOM! aspell doesn't like the spelling, 'elogiating'. A few suggestions: elongating, legating, ligating, elating, [...] |
| 09:06.18 | yettenet | wtf is #debian_women |
| 09:06.26 | scx | argonic: ok, looking... |
| 09:06.49 | Vasistha | yettenet: turns out there are a number of female debian devs who take pride and take on certain projects |
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| 09:06.56 | Azar | Vasistha: sorry I ment "petting" |
| 09:07.04 | scx | yettenet: a vil try to see who logs in |
| 09:07.05 | nhuisman | WOOT |
| 09:07.05 | nhuisman | hehe |
| 09:07.17 | nhuisman | whoah wtf is #debian,010 |
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| 09:07.37 | Vasistha | Azar: heh, well I'm sure he'll get himself banned if he's persistent enough, right? :D |
| 09:07.42 | foo | Can a server's user@this be different than this.mydomain.com for the hostname (with rdns setup) ? |
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| 09:07.58 | yettenet | Vasistha: I thought it might be somewhat decieving |
| 09:08.06 | va | is there a program that i could run from terminal to scale lots of images to some defined size? |
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| 09:08.15 | Vasistha | va: imagemagick |
| 09:08.19 | yettenet | Vasistha: I have once entered a #debian channel that had nothing to do with Debian GNU/Linux |
| 09:08.31 | Vasistha | yettenet: heh ... what was it about? |
| 09:08.50 | yettenet | Vasistha: Dunno, some completely other sort of thing... a club, maybe |
| 09:08.59 | assasukasse | hi everyone |
| 09:09.04 | yettenet | Hi assasukasse |
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| 09:09.28 | assasukasse | i was reading a big review about debian and ubuntu |
| 09:09.45 | va | Vasistha: thanks |
| 09:09.48 | yettenet | Well, anyway... if #debian_women is a Debian GNU/Linux channel for women, I bet that there are almost twice as much men than women |
| 09:10.08 | nhuisman | i'll bet you ther are 90% men |
| 09:10.17 | assasukasse | but for what they can say, i can only think about ubuntu as a debian less stable with a different name.. |
| 09:10.27 | scx | well /etc/pam.d/imap looks normal to me |
| 09:10.33 | assasukasse | debian women :D |
| 09:10.44 | assasukasse | i should put my mom there |
| 09:10.46 | optraz1 | hello, how do i determine user that is connected to an AP using snmp ? |
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| 09:10.48 | yettenet | nhuisman: You might be right |
| 09:10.48 | yettenet | :D |
| 09:11.03 | scx | shut up misogin |
| 09:11.04 | yettenet | assasukasse: I should put a womanizer there |
| 09:12.00 | assasukasse | yettenet: change the topic to: free less of makeup |
| 09:12.00 | udos | how do I modify the default global environment (system variables) for /bin/sh? |
| 09:12.00 | assasukasse | lession |
| 09:12.00 | Vasistha | assasukasse: the ubuntu folks do a lot of work to make certain things work, e.g. the ubuntu kernel works wonderfully on many sony vaios, where you won't get the debian kernel to work. But ubuntu's generally not as stable, and doesn't have as many packages |
| 09:12.00 | Azar | well there is a channel like that but is small and very quiet. No help for newbies like me there |
| 09:12.00 | scx | women won't tell anybody they are girls to avoid morrons |
| 09:12.01 | udos | bash.bashrc only works for bash login |
| 09:12.01 | Vasistha | !tell udos about dotfiles |
| 09:12.01 | yettenet | assasukasse: I can't change the topic :P |
| 09:12.18 | assasukasse | Vasistha: do u know why the hell they don't make ubuntu totally compatible with debian...soemtime i want to install a nice deb from experimental and it doesn't like :D |
| 09:12.29 | udos | Vasistha: dot files are local |
| 09:12.36 | udos | I wantr global |
| 09:12.37 | Vasistha | assasukasse: it's not as easy as you think, otherwise they might do it |
| 09:12.38 | Azar | assasukasse: because the mentality is not compatible |
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| 09:13.04 | Vasistha | udos: so use the local dot-file to source a global one in /etc |
| 09:13.13 | udos | no |
| 09:13.19 | udos | no user |
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| 09:13.21 | udos | from boot |
| 09:13.42 | utrrrongeeb | I'm using Etch, and some Xfce4 panel applets aren't working. |
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| 09:13.56 | udos | I want to modify the environment that things like kdm get srated in |
| 09:14.00 | udos | started |
| 09:14.08 | udos | not just kdm but that's an example |
| 09:14.11 | Vasistha | udos: oh, maybe you want to source a special one on boot, and put it in your init scripts |
| 09:14.32 | udos | Vasistha: I know that |
| 09:14.53 | udos | I want to modify just one file |
| 09:14.59 | Azar | assasukasse: debian is leaning toward a real quality operating system and new users are to learn administering it or quit. Ubuntu is less about system stability, more for "latest" packages buggy or not, and the ease of gui point/click witout forcing the users to read much |
| 09:15.05 | udos | not everything in /etc/init.d |
| 09:15.09 | yettenet | utrrrongeeb: Which apps? |
| 09:15.37 | assasukasse | Azar: what about mandriva then :D a bunch of gui tools with a system that is impossible to upgrade and very DAMN very buggy? :D |
| 09:15.55 | Azar | assasukasse: never used mandriva.. |
| 09:16.00 | utrrrongeeb | yettenet: Generic Monitor. And a Disk Performance one. There's a few others, too. |
| 09:16.17 | yettenet | utrrrongeeb: I'm gonna give them a look :P |
| 09:16.55 | utrrrongeeb | yettenet: Try Generic Monitor, and set it up to run time or date. |
| 09:17.10 | Azar | assasukasse: with each new release, I feel sorry to leave the "old stable" since it works so good - never breaks (speaking of Debian ofcourse) |
| 09:17.12 | assasukasse | Azar: i used many distro, started with redhat 6...thank god, now i don't have to fiddle with rpm |
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| 09:17.21 | yettenet | utrrrongeeb: I don't have it installed :P |
| 09:17.33 | tigz | I can't wait to throw mac os 9 out the door :) |
| 09:17.43 | assasukasse | Azar: another thing i don't like in ubuntu is they drop support after 18 months.. |
| 09:17.47 | tigz | And put debian on my old, worn out mac |
| 09:18.00 | yettenet | utrrrongeeb: I'll pass it |
| 09:18.05 | utrrrongeeb | yettenet: I'm using Etch. What are you on? |
| 09:18.07 | Vasistha | udos: it sounds like what you want is for the init process to source a file with your vars |
| 09:18.12 | yettenet | utrrrongeeb: The same |
| 09:18.17 | yettenet | utrrrongeeb: Etch/xfce4 |
| 09:18.30 | udos | Vasistha: yes |
| 09:19.02 | udos | so that every app and spawned app (not just a shell) is modifed by thos settings |
| 09:19.10 | yettenet | utrrrongeeb: HAve you tried to google it? |
| 09:19.13 | Azar | assasukasse: not wanting to criticize any other distro: I picked and sticked with Debian because I needed to get a basic knowledge in effectively and efficiently administering my system. All I learned here makes sense, and works. |
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| 09:19.42 | Vasistha | I wonder if rc.local, etc., is sourced by init, or if it's run as a seperate process... hmm. interesting questions here |
| 09:19.43 | udos | I discovered that was, for example, why my ODBC connections would work from command line but not from OpenOffice |
| 09:19.53 | Azar | maybe other distros are working ok but not delivering the education for their users. For free ofcourse :) |
| 09:19.57 | assasukasse | Azar: when is started to look at linux, i didn't know there was a debian, there was only a redhat, however because that i was away from linux for years.. |
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| 09:20.05 | nhuisman | redhat can die on fire for servers |
| 09:20.21 | nhuisman | debians package manager is way better |
| 09:20.24 | ronr | I'm trying to install openoffice on an unstable debian box, it fails on dictionary-common with: No alternatives for ispell-dictionary.hash. anyone a clue how to fix this? |
| 09:20.34 | udos | Vasistha: I thought it would be at least as easy as it is to do in NT ;P |
| 09:20.49 | Vasistha | udos: well, wait a second. now you're talking about gui stuff. do you need this only in the gui? |
| 09:20.57 | udos | no |
| 09:21.02 | utrrrongeeb | yettenet: Trying to [google it]. The package is xfce4-genmon-plugin. |
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| 09:21.17 | udos | Vasistha: that was a sign of only a bigger issue |
| 09:21.20 | Azar | we got a RH server at my work, in fact the only linux server... and I can say it works ok, and the developers are cool guys... unlike "you know who-what".. |
| 09:21.39 | udos | I realize the environment that I set only affects the shell |
| 09:21.47 | udos | the *login* shell |
| 09:21.58 | udos | but gui apps, daemons, etc |
| 09:22.05 | udos | all are ignorant of those changes |
| 09:22.13 | Vasistha | udos: well, if you read that dotfiles link I gave you, you'll see that it gives instructions for gui apps as well. |
| 09:22.16 | udos | which is a source of repeated problems |
| 09:22.44 | udos | no I just want to change on *global file* for all environments |
| 09:22.44 | Azar | udos: because those gui apps have their own optimization settings... they don't belong to the OS.. |
| 09:22.50 | yettenet | utrrrongeeb: Well, I don't think I can help :( |
| 09:23.14 | utrrrongeeb | yettenet: Okay, you did see the package that contains it? |
| 09:23.18 | udos | Azar: but they are still affected by their environment. moot point |
| 09:23.25 | Vasistha | udos: can you name a couple specific examples of environments that need these vars, which are not either gui or login environments? |
| 09:23.29 | Azar | so udos, I guess you understood: gui apps that you install are not part of your base system |
| 09:23.31 | jzxu | Vasistha: just so you know, there's a program called xwrits that does basically what I want |
| 09:23.44 | yettenet | utrrrongeeb: I have found this: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/source/xfce4-genmon-plugin |
| 09:23.45 | udos | Azar: yes |
| 09:23.51 | Vasistha | jzxu: nice, thanks for sharing your solution |
| 09:24.01 | Azar | udos: maybe only some applications that are tools for your system |
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| 09:24.34 | utrrrongeeb | yettenet: Yes. Is there a Stable version? I have it installed... |
| 09:24.37 | Azar | Open Office for example is not a Debian package and does not belong to the Debian system. It will come with its own tools |
| 09:24.47 | yettenet | utrrrongeeb: Dunno... |
| 09:24.53 | udos | Azar: that's not the point |
| 09:24.59 | Vasistha | udos: if you didn't know *how* to do it in windows, it'd be awfully difficult there, too. I just can't think of when I've ever needed such a thing |
| 09:25.41 | udos | Vasistha: uhm ... maybe if you have a daemon that requires ODBC access? |
| 09:25.48 | udos | for example |
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| 09:26.05 | sinizzl | hi |
| 09:26.10 | Vasistha | sure, great example. thanks. I just wanted to get a feeling for what you're trying to do. |
| 09:26.40 | sinizzl | does anyone have any suggestions for a _basic_ hostapd.conf file? no wep, no wpa.... i'm really struggling with it.... sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't and whatever it does i'm not sure about what i'm actually doing... |
| 09:26.53 | Azar | udos: non-gui apps, that run on shell can be configured by setting up environments... apps that run from "gnome" or "kde" upwards no |
| 09:27.04 | ronr | is there a dpkg force options to tell the package to shut the **** up if the pre-installation script fails (--force-all doesn't seem to work) |
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| 09:27.43 | Vasistha | udos: hmm, maybe /etc/inittab ? |
| 09:27.47 | udos | Azar: :( |
| 09:27.54 | Azar | ronr: I guess there might be an opposed to -v to run things there.. |
| 09:28.11 | udos | Vasistha: OK will have a look |
| 09:28.23 | wols | udos: you do that inthe start/sctop script fo the daemon |
| 09:28.28 | assasukasse | sinizzl: i had the same problem, i suppose there is some interference around there, here was a cordless phone, when on i couldn't make it work.. |
| 09:28.29 | wols | there you can set a env variable |
| 09:28.40 | sinizzl | assasukasse: the problem is the config file itself. |
| 09:28.45 | udos | wols: I just got done explaining why I don"t want to do that |
| 09:28.46 | assasukasse | ah |
| 09:28.51 | argonic | ronr: You could always just fix the install script in /var/lib/dpkg/info/<pkg>.preinst |
| 09:29.08 | sinizzl | more disconcerting, i can't connect to it with mymacbook... when it used to work it was only with my neighbours windows notebook~ |
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| 09:29.27 | argonic | ronr: I've been known, in times of GREAT frustration, to put "exit 0" as the second line =) |
| 09:29.32 | ronr | argonic: I'll take a look at that (I'll probably be able to fix itthat way) |
| 09:29.42 | ronr | :) |
| 09:30.11 | argonic | It's not much of a fix, I know, but sometimes it lets you get past dpkg long enough to let the package manager sort things out more permanently |
| 09:30.19 | tigz | Vasistha: Doesn't buisness card installation = bad drivers support? |
| 09:30.24 | Vasistha | udos: I did a google.com/linux search for: change init environment |
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| 09:30.41 | wols | tigz: no. the kernel is always the same. same support |
| 09:30.48 | tigz | ok |
| 09:31.06 | ronr | just too bad the preinst script isn't there, how do I keep the deb from deleting the script if it fails? |
| 09:31.08 | tigz | So eg usb drivers like thumb drives etc |
| 09:31.17 | Azar | udos: we get the base system setup by installing Debian and on that complete base set, we have the freedom to install all eye-candy we want from the repositories that contain also other gpl-ed applications: gnome, kde, beryl, openoffice. From that moment up I would assume the "desktops" take care of their area of configurations... |
| 09:31.22 | sinizzl | problem being, i somehow screwed up my hostapd.conf and don't know how i got it working after all..... |
| 09:31.35 | Vasistha | tigz: the difference is that the 160 MB net install cd actually contains an entire base system, so you can install a working debian system without using an internet connection. The business card cd requires a net connection, just to set up a base system. |
| 09:31.52 | humboldt | I have a disk space problem, which I would like to solve using gzip. |
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| 09:32.20 | Vasistha | humboldt: what kinds of files are taking up all your space? |
| 09:32.25 | binfalse | unsure |
| 09:32.31 | humboldt | I have 50GB of uncompressed logs on the one machine. |
| 09:32.38 | humboldt | now |
| 09:32.52 | wols | humboldt: logs created over what period of time? |
| 09:32.53 | tigz | ok |
| 09:33.07 | udos | Azar: I understand. But I really want to modify the environment for all apps in one file |
| 09:33.10 | Vasistha | humboldt: keep in mind bzip2 can compress better, and 7zip may be even better (although not as universally supported) |
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| 09:33.38 | humboldt | (can't get rid of the logs, need them) I can't rw on the disk the logs reside. So I want to scp them on another system. But there I don't have 50GB of space. |
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| 09:34.22 | humboldt | Is there a way, I can compress the logs on the fly while scp-ing them to the other machine? |
| 09:34.23 | udos | Vasistha: still reading through that google query... looks like warm... cool... warm again... getting warmer... |
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| 09:35.17 | humboldt | Actually, I have about 30GB of space over there, so I could use this for temp storage. Copy the logs one by one somehow and compressing them right after. |
| 09:35.42 | humboldt | Is there a tool that does that for me (or an easy command line) or do I have to script that? |
| 09:35.46 | wols | udos: initscript |
| 09:35.46 | Vasistha | humboldt: you might be able to set up a tar+gzip pipe |
| 09:35.47 | udos | well, at least debian isn't the royal mess that gentoo seems to be when it comes to environment |
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| 09:36.03 | wols | humboldt: logrotate |
| 09:36.24 | wols | udos: look for /etc/initsript, it's what you need |
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| 09:36.33 | humboldt | wols: yes, I know. But it was not setup so I have to deal with that now. |
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| 09:36.42 | udos | wols. I don"t have one |
| 09:36.49 | udos | I'll make one\ |
| 09:36.49 | sinizzl | its weird that a windows notebooks can actually see the ssid (but not connect to it) and the macbook doesnt see anything (except my neighbours wlan) |
| 09:36.49 | tigz | Im botting into debian buisness card ftw |
| 09:36.51 | Vasistha | udos: man initscript and create it |
| 09:36.56 | humboldt | The system went down, and I want to backup everything, before I start to rebuild it. |
| 09:36.57 | udos | yes |
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| 09:37.59 | udos | wols scores 10. I think this is what I want. Thanks Vasistha for additional info |
| 09:38.26 | Vasistha | udos: well, there ya go. knock yourself out |
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| 09:39.20 | Vasistha | humboldt: the idea that comes to my mind is to mount the other drive and make that the tar save-file .. mount either by nfs or sshfs or whatever |
| 09:39.39 | Azar | udos: I am sure you are not a newbie at it, but I thought you might get a hint at something you might need among these lines: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-tutorial/ch-shell.html |
| 09:39.50 | fireba11 | anyone can point me to a good how-to to set up ssh auth via certificate ? my old bookmark vanished ... |
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| 09:40.13 | Azar | ah wols is a wizard of os |
| 09:40.13 | humboldt | Vasistha: not so bad an idea! |
| 09:40.34 | ronr | it should be impossible for a package instalation to crash on a pre-installation script if there's no preinst script for that package in /var/lib/dpkg/info right? |
| 09:40.58 | Vasistha | heh, we could talk all day about "should" |
| 09:41.28 | Vasistha | Azar: was the heat pretty awful for you today and yesterday? |
| 09:41.35 | ronr | :) |
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| 09:42.03 | ronr | ok, apparently it is not impossible, anyone knows a place where the script could be? |
| 09:42.05 | Azar | reading through aptitude, I am not sure if I understand well, is there a way "-s" to virtually install a package without exactly installing it, right? or I misunderstood? |
| 09:42.26 | nhuisman | so debian boostrap just gives me a super minimal install of debian right? |
| 09:42.27 | Azar | Vasistha: watching the fires on Griffith Park ... |
| 09:42.34 | vorsprung | fireba11, use ssh-keygen to make a cert pair. Install the private key on the client. Install the text of the public key in the "authorised_keys" file on the server |
| 09:42.50 | vorsprung | fireba11, use the options to make a DSA key pair |
| 09:42.51 | Vasistha | Azar: are they still a-blazin'? |
| 09:42.59 | Azar | Vasistha: the zoo and the observatory were spared.... for now |
| 09:43.11 | liable | nhuisman: yes, just base |
| 09:43.12 | Azar | Vasistha: only 20% contained, lots of evacuations |
| 09:43.13 | Vasistha | god, they just finished the observatory, I haven't even been there yet |
| 09:43.27 | vorsprung | fireba11, the perms need to be quite restrictive on everything |
| 09:43.32 | Vasistha | there was a fire in the hollywood hills a few weeks ago... |
| 09:43.35 | humboldt | Vasistha: since sshfs uses fuse (=userspace) can I still preserve the original uids and gids? |
| 09:43.43 | Azar | yeah... |
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| 09:43.50 | Azar | 97F around here today |
| 09:44.05 | fireba11 | vorsprung: i need it to rsync a backup box .. so i need to do it with root access anyway .. :-/ |
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| 09:44.22 | Vasistha | Azar: yow. man. I'm glad I'm closer to the ocean ... but it was hot enough that I was just lying on the floor at 3pm |
| 09:44.48 | xand | vorsprung: authorized_keys not authorised_keys :) |
| 09:44.59 | Azar | Vasistha: eh no aircond here where I live, summertime I have to shut down the boxes for cooling |
| 09:45.00 | xand | american spelling required |
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| 09:45.14 | Vasistha | humboldt: hmm .. I'm really not sure. nfs would probably be better. but you can do a little test, of course |
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| 09:45.25 | jamey-uk | I'm trying to install some packages using apt-get but I keep getting this error: "libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.4-1ubuntu12.3) but 2.5-0ubuntu11 is to be installed". Can anyone help me? |
| 09:45.38 | xand | jamey-uk: are you using ubuntu? |
| 09:45.47 | markybob | jamey-uk: this is not #ubuntu. read the topic. go to #ubuntu |
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| 09:45.48 | liable | jamey-uk: the people in #ubuntu can help |
| 09:45.56 | jamey-uk | they don't though! |
| 09:46.00 | markybob | we dont care |
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| 09:46.06 | Azar | jamey-uk: we dont have those packages man |
| 09:46.11 | Azar | you asking in the wind |
| 09:46.14 | xand | !based on debian |
| 09:46.14 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 09:46.15 | jamey-uk | gotcha np |
| 09:46.21 | Vasistha | Azar: thankfully, my old lappy runs pretty cool, so I don't worry too much about it. But I get overheated myself :P |
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| 09:46.51 | liable | applying liberal amounts of beer usually helps |
| 09:47.01 | Azar | yah no lappy here, never had one I allways thought of one as of a toy |
| 09:47.10 | Azar | haha |
| 09:47.20 | Azar | beer... haven't had one in 2 months |
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| 09:47.34 | liable | my laptop kicks my servers ass |
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| 09:47.56 | Vasistha | Azar: it's so nice. on some hot days it'll be bearable to sit outside in the shade, thanks to the fresh air, and I can take my lappy out there and work, instead of just lying on the floor |
| 09:48.31 | Azar | liable: everytime I hear about laptops, notebooks, wifi, I get the picture of a remote controlled toy running on battery and dying pretty fast.. |
| 09:48.50 | ronr | :) figured it out (just added exit 0 to /usr/sbin/update-alternatives to keep it from complaining) |
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| 09:49.06 | Vasistha | and then there are the beautiful gorgeous days, where I just want to be outside anyway ... I'll run an extension cord into the house so I have plenty of power :D |
| 09:49.16 | sinizzl | ok, i can now again connect to my selfmade access point with my windows notebook. but still my macbook keeps losing the connection every two seconds.... it diesnt have that issue with other access points.... |
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| 09:49.36 | Azar | it's not only the PC heating up.. the router too... I had one router dying of heat... |
| 09:49.41 | fireba11 | vorsprung: why dsa ? |
| 09:50.02 | sinizzl | im going to boot my macbook with an ubuntu cd to see if it has that issue under ubuntu too |
| 09:50.05 | Vasistha | Azar: I actually should be concerned about that. we keep the router in the attic, where it gets *really* hot |
| 09:50.37 | Azar | yeah, the coolest areas I can find is the bathroom and the kitchen floors.. |
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| 09:53.03 | Skaag | what's a good way to run debian inside debian, virtualized? |
| 09:53.11 | js_ | Skaag: i recommend xen |
| 09:54.02 | Skaag | js_: will this require kernel patches? |
| 09:54.26 | js_ | Skaag: nope, jsut install xen-linux-system |
| 09:54.32 | js_ | or whatever the package is called, i forgot |
| 09:54.35 | js_ | apt-cache search -n xen |
| 09:54.38 | Skaag | cool :) |
| 09:54.40 | Skaag | yes I see the list of them |
| 09:55.23 | js_ | Skaag: its actually very easy to get it running in debian... check out #xen as well |
| 09:55.42 | Skaag | cool! :) |
| 09:55.47 | Skaag | sounds good |
| 09:55.49 | Skaag | thanks mate |
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| 09:59.04 | humboldt | how can I make bzip2 write the files it compresses to the dir I am in not the dir it is reading from? |
| 09:59.30 | markybob | man bzip2 |
| 09:59.46 | humboldt | markybob: no option in there |
| 10:00.22 | wols | humboldt: outpit to stdout, redirect that to wherever |
| 10:00.23 | Azar | http://www.howtoforge.com/debian_etch_xen_from_debian_repository |
| 10:00.30 | Azar | ah he left |
| 10:01.01 | Dewi | humboldt: bzip2 is often used with tar, and obviously you can name any file you like for the archive |
| 10:01.39 | humboldt | wols: the problem is, I want to compress multiple files at once but not to one archive ( bzip2 -kv /media/logs/w* ) |
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| 10:02.28 | xand | humboldt: . ? |
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| 10:05.05 | spheard | hello, I want to extend the partition size that my debian install is on |
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| 10:05.13 | humboldt | xand: if I would pipe to standard output with "-c" wouldn't I have to pipe it to one file like that: bzip2 -kvc /media/logs/wXY.log > /somewhere/wXY.log.bz2 |
| 10:05.37 | humboldt | or do something like that: find /media/logs/ -name "w*" -exec bzip2 -kvc \{\} > \{\}.bz2 \; |
| 10:05.55 | humboldt | xand: while residing in a different dir? |
| 10:06.34 | humboldt | xand: ah "." you mean? |
| 10:07.08 | humboldt | xand: so just like 'bzip2 -kvc /media/logs/w* .' ?? |
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| 10:07.31 | Azar | spheard: http://wiki.kartbuilding.net/index.php/Resize_&_Create_Partitions_in_Debian |
| 10:07.51 | RA3OR[psy] | anyone know postfix? how can i block user/email by ESMTP id ? |
| 10:08.13 | RA3OR[psy] | i know the pc ip, i did "-A INPUT -s 192.168.0.39 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 25 -j DROP |
| 10:08.17 | Jaszbo | Hi room. I'm running a Debian-based distro called 64 studio, and after I loging at the graphical manager, it just hangs at a blue screen. What do I do to get it to go into GDM? |
| 10:08.22 | RA3OR[psy] | .." but useless |
| 10:08.23 | humboldt | xand, wols: would that work? 'bzip2 -kvc /media/logs/w* .' |
| 10:08.23 | spheard | Azar thanx |
| 10:08.39 | markybob | Jaszbo: you go to that distro's channel and ask them |
| 10:08.45 | Azar | Jaszbo: if you install Debian we can help.. |
| 10:08.45 | Jaszbo | OK |
| 10:09.11 | humboldt | xand, wols: I mean 'bzip2 -kvc /media/logs/w* > .' |
| 10:09.25 | Vasistha | humboldt: no, that won't work, at least it shouldn't |
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| 10:09.46 | humboldt | Vasistha: so what did xand mean with '.'? |
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| 10:10.02 | humboldt | Vasistha: you remember waht I am trying to do? |
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| 10:10.11 | Vasistha | humboldt: I'd do a for loop if you want to glob: for i in w*; do bzip2 -c $i >$i.bz2; done |
| 10:10.30 | Vasistha | err, bzip -c $i >/some/other/path/$i.bz2 |
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| 10:10.52 | deconvolution | Hi, my nfs volume has a sub-dir which is a mount point to another file-system on different partition. From the client side I only can seen that mount point is empty. Is there any solution to solve this problem? |
| 10:10.54 | spheard | Azar |
| 10:11.03 | Azar | Vasistha: I assume I have a good reason to be up at 3am but you? |
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| 10:11.09 | spheard | Azar: I need to unmount it first |
| 10:11.21 | spheard | but I get device is busy |
| 10:11.29 | Vasistha | Azar: no, no good reason at all. I ought to be in bed. Of course, it's so nice and comfortable and cool now... |
| 10:11.36 | Azar | spheard I never practiced that, I just had the howto handy for you |
| 10:12.00 | Azar | Vasistha: yeah.. I can't sleep I got gum surgery tomorrow morning.. |
| 10:12.06 | Azar | nervous |
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| 10:12.18 | Vasistha | Azar: as in, you're not allowed to, or ... just nervous, huh? wow. hum. |
| 10:12.26 | humboldt | Vasistha: I think to complicated |
| 10:12.31 | Azar | yeah.. nervous |
| 10:12.40 | humboldt | Vasistha: that's great thanks |
| 10:13.03 | Vasistha | humboldt: you're welcome ... you might want to do a test-run where you echo the bzip command first |
| 10:13.12 | Vasistha | humboldt: you might also want to try one file before you do the batch |
| 10:13.19 | Azar | spheard: I would assume that you closed all other upper applications, exited x and work in terminal mode as root... |
| 10:13.27 | spheard | oh god! |
| 10:13.32 | Azar | :) |
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| 10:14.07 | Azar | you are trying to operate on the disk while the disk is keeping busy with other things? use anesthetic man |
| 10:14.24 | Vasistha | Azar: why so nervous about it, anyway? |
| 10:14.46 | Azar | Vasistha: gonna cut my gum to the bone man! im not gonan be able to eat for at least one day |
| 10:15.17 | Vasistha | Azar: not even liquids? seems like a good time to go for a smoothie or protein shake or whatever |
| 10:15.30 | Vasistha | or soup ... yum ... I love soup |
| 10:15.35 | Azar | :) I wish I could feed on beer |
| 10:15.39 | spheard | I have a server (old pc) chuntering away bout 80 clicks from me with a couple of virtual servers on top of sarge. I'm running out of space on the partition so need to extend it. can anyone give me an idea of the procedure I need to follow to do this? |
| 10:15.40 | Vasistha | haha |
| 10:15.44 | Vasistha | Azar: ice cream? |
| 10:15.54 | Vasistha | that's it!! beer and ice cream. |
| 10:16.05 | spheard | Azar, what're they doing to your gum man? |
| 10:16.23 | Azar | spheard: I guess the best way to free up is save on CDs or on an usb stick stuff you don't use every day/week.. |
| 10:16.56 | spheard | Azar: Getting to the pc means an hours drive |
| 10:16.56 | Azar | I got a 2 month old infection under the gum..coming from my sinus infection... no antibiotic helped |
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| 10:17.02 | spheard | ouch |
| 10:17.10 | spheard | and I dont have a car" |
| 10:17.11 | spheard | ! |
| 10:17.35 | Azar | spheard: well hmmm shrink some unused files.. ask Vasistha he just guided someone on that |
| 10:17.43 | anapivirtua | Ola |
| 10:17.52 | spheard | maybe I could just have a good clean |
| 10:17.56 | Vasistha | spheard: well, if you need to grow the root partition ... hey, might it be an option to move /usr or /var to another partition? You can probably do that remotely |
| 10:17.56 | Ponyboy | hi ya. I need help with pure-ftpd-mysql. PAM login works, but not via mysql-backend, and I have no clue why |
| 10:18.13 | Ponyboy | neither does pure-ftpd give me enough error logs to find the problem |
| 10:18.26 | spheard | its all weird with these virual servers |
| 10:18.32 | Vasistha | Azar: hey, I need to go to bed!! :D |
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| 10:18.42 | spheard | Vasistha: but that is the best Idea I think |
| 10:18.54 | Azar | spheard: I use ProShield a small console application, it allways offers to cleanup leftover from apt... not sure if that would help |
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| 10:19.08 | Azar | Vasistha: ok good night man :) |
| 10:19.13 | massctrl | how can I make the man viewer to be able to scroll up and down, (or use less instead of more) |
| 10:19.22 | Vasistha | Azar: hope everything goes smoothly tomorrow! |
| 10:19.28 | Azar | yah.... |
| 10:19.52 | hark | massctrl: install less? |
| 10:20.06 | Vasistha | massctrl: /etc/alternatives/pager should be a softlink to less ... and less must be installed ;) |
| 10:20.15 | spheard | its basically the web directory thats getting big |
| 10:20.31 | Vasistha | massctrl: oh, and pager.1.gz to /usr/share/man/man1/less.1.gz |
| 10:20.41 | Azar | massctrl: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-tutorial/ch-shell.html |
| 10:20.48 | Vasistha | g'night all! |
| 10:20.57 | Azar | night Vasistha |
| 10:21.24 | massctrl | thanks all that's nice, got it |
| 10:21.39 | massctrl | horrible more to handle man files |
| 10:21.43 | Azar | spheard: zip them somewhere |
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| 10:22.28 | spheard | Azar, its all live stuff |
| 10:22.48 | massctrl | anyhow, is it normal that on my console tty1 messages appear that only should appear when in the dmesg ringbuffer? |
| 10:23.13 | spheard | how do I list all mounted drives, space available/used |
| 10:23.14 | hark | massctrl: /etc/sysctl.conf (look for the kernel.printk line) |
| 10:23.33 | hark | spheard: mount, df -h |
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| 10:23.45 | hark | massctrl: sysctl -p then |
| 10:24.06 | hark | massctrl: or /msg dpkg klogd |
| 10:24.20 | spheard | hark: ?? |
| 10:24.38 | massctrl | hark: thanks, these are these little annoyances,... |
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| 10:25.05 | massctrl | I'm new to Debian coming from gentoo, ... need to handle these detail |
| 10:25.08 | scx | talking about easy questions: how do I check my cpu temp? |
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| 10:25.47 | D_STAR | hello. i got a problem when i install ut2003.it stops reading the cd if u dont brows the cd :S does some one know the problem? |
| 10:26.39 | Azar | ok the heck if I know what's going on.... once in a while my system fan starts so hard I don't even need a/c in this room. For no reason, system is just sitting idle... any suggestions of what might be? |
| 10:26.47 | spheard | hark: could you clarify that for me $mount gives me a list of all the stuff |
| 10:26.58 | spheard | hark:how bout getting the numbers out of it |
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| 10:28.11 | Azar | D_STAR: what the heck did you just asked? no clue what you say.. |
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| 10:30.27 | D_STAR | hehe ok when i install ut2003 it stops. but when i brows the cd the installation starts and takes around 10 files then stops |
| 10:30.51 | Azar | what is ut2003 ? |
| 10:30.51 | Ponyboy | or in which chan can I find help? |
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| 10:31.07 | D_STAR | unreal tournament 2003 |
| 10:31.26 | Azar | gah, does it say on the CD or on the case : for windows only? |
| 10:31.33 | D_STAR | no |
| 10:31.39 | D_STAR | it has a linux installatin |
| 10:31.40 | Azar | does it say runs on linux? |
| 10:31.43 | D_STAR | installation |
| 10:31.48 | D_STAR | yepp |
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| 10:32.02 | c0nf | ut2003 runs on linux :p |
| 10:32.06 | Azar | ok might be that Debian will not install non .deb packages? |
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| 10:32.26 | juice` | what was the name of linux command that was comparing two files and showing entries from one file that are not in the other? not diff |
| 10:32.51 | Azar | it might be a linux install but not for Debian... dependency hell.. |
| 10:33.42 | D_STAR | but it goes if i brows the cd :S... for around 10 files then stops |
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| 10:34.23 | infester_ | Can i patch a kernel image? |
| 10:34.29 | Shadur | No. |
| 10:34.43 | juice` | or maybe you know names of packages in debian that are for manipulating files |
| 10:34.47 | infester_ | So there is no way i can get bootsplash working with 2.6.8-4 without compiling from source? |
| 10:34.55 | juice` | that are default installed |
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| 10:37.25 | itom | hi all, in live.debian.net powerpc live cd are disappear, any know why? |
| 10:38.20 | infester_ | Shadur did i get you right? :P |
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| 10:39.18 | D_STAR | some one that know how to change input in teamspeak? |
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| 10:40.39 | D_STAR | i got 2 soundcards and teamspeak using the wrong one. some one know how to change it? |
| 10:40.44 | screenn | hi all |
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| 10:41.53 | infester_ | hiya =) |
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| 10:43.06 | NisoDaemon | I want to answer dpkg-reconfigure questions from a script, any recommended reading on how to do this? |
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| 10:43.52 | D_STAR | in debian cant you use 2 sounds at the same time?like xmms and a game running? |
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| 10:44.14 | xand | D_STAR: yes |
| 10:44.20 | xand | or rather, no |
| 10:44.33 | rocketmagnet | hi, does someone know how to install the python package statgrab ? |
| 10:44.33 | xand | (you can) |
| 10:44.39 | D_STAR | ok :D how? |
| 10:44.46 | xand | D_STAR: it "just works" |
| 10:44.54 | infester_ | D_STAR are you using alsa or oss? |
| 10:44.56 | xand | rocketmagnet: apt-get install python-statgrab |
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| 10:45.09 | D_STAR | infester_ how to see that? |
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| 10:45.58 | D_STAR | i know that teamspeak using oss. |
| 10:46.07 | D_STAR | but i dont know in general |
| 10:47.02 | infester_ | i suppose you use oss then |
| 10:47.17 | nhuisman | pretty sure oss is just emulated by alsa these days |
| 10:47.24 | infester_ | oss has no support for multiple sound sources as far as i know, dont know if they support mutliplecards |
| 10:47.31 | infester_ | maybe |
| 10:48.00 | Azar | hmm Debian Etch comes with alsa... strange |
| 10:48.02 | D_STAR | i got alsa and oss i see |
| 10:48.18 | D_STAR | one sound card on oss and one on alsa |
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| 10:49.07 | D_STAR | infester_: ah ok thx. |
| 10:49.41 | endra | hey, how can I tell aptitude to clean up my system? |
| 10:49.52 | denken | apt-get clean ? |
| 10:50.02 | endra | Like, complete cleanup, all but the simplest form of debian |
| 10:50.06 | Azar | endra: usually just do an aptitude update and aptitude upgrade |
| 10:50.16 | Azar | denken: aptitude not apt-get |
| 10:50.33 | endra | Well, I want it to remove all packages too, except bash and aptitude itself :P |
| 10:50.38 | nhuisman | don't think it matters does it |
| 10:50.41 | endra | As if I just installed it without any extra features |
| 10:50.48 | nhuisman | why not just start over |
| 10:50.50 | endra | nhuisman: afaik, apt-get isn't 'smart' like aptitude |
| 10:50.50 | nhuisman | it is pretty quick |
| 10:51.00 | nhuisman | what kind of 'smart' do you get? |
| 10:51.19 | endra | nhuisman: dependency resolution and whatnot, its what stew and the rest of the guys said this morning |
| 10:51.21 | Azar | endra: why so? it would take you one week to line up all packages you want to remove... for good reason or not |
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| 10:51.42 | nhuisman | endra i'd just reinstall debian if I were you |
| 10:51.44 | Azar | endra: aptitude will remove packages it finds "not good" |
| 10:51.51 | endra | Azar: on its own? |
| 10:52.02 | endra | Azar: even when some were installed with apt-get? |
| 10:52.07 | Azar | endra: yes, just run aptitude update and aptitude upgrade |
| 10:52.22 | endra | Yes already done so, I have a feeling my system is.. not good :-/ |
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| 10:52.28 | Azar | endra: those installed with apt-get and found "not ok" will be removed |
| 10:52.58 | Azar | endra: depends also on how clean your /sources.list is |
| 10:53.15 | endra | Azar: my sources.list is only Etch |
| 10:53.16 | Azar | aptitude works based on your sources.list |
| 10:53.26 | endra | .. this morning it was Sarge, etch, and sid |
| 10:53.34 | endra | .. this is why I dont feel my system is good :P |
| 10:53.53 | Azar | comment backports on your sources.list |
| 10:54.02 | endra | I have no backports |
| 10:54.07 | nhuisman | ah yeah i'll start using aptitude |
| 10:54.08 | Azar | sure? |
| 10:54.10 | liable | bah, an old etch installer is being a complete pain in the ass |
| 10:54.16 | D_STAR | does some one know where alsa is? like oss is oss /dev/dsp. |
| 10:54.28 | Azar | liable: expectable, rc1 ? |
| 10:54.36 | endra | All I have in my sources.list is deb etch main contrib non-free, and security etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 10:54.37 | endra | nothing else |
| 10:55.02 | Azar | endra: ok so run aptitude update aptitude upgrade |
| 10:55.06 | nhuisman | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:55.08 | martoss | how can i import a .crt file with openssl? |
| 10:55.24 | xand | import it to where? |
| 10:55.30 | endra | Azar: I also noticed if I removed a package, and reinstalled it, the config files remain.. how can I tell it to COMPLETELY remove everyone? |
| 10:55.39 | endra | everything* |
| 10:56.06 | Azar | endra: no need, after removing it you can install it back with aptitude install (if you need it) |
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| 10:56.21 | nhuisman | still, its nice not to see junk in your /etc |
| 10:56.31 | nhuisman | mmm yeah for binary distro's |
| 10:56.33 | endra | okay, im still feeling insecure about this system |
| 10:56.42 | nhuisman | mumbles something about gentoo |
| 10:56.51 | Azar | endra: remove it with --purge but that is you will have to do that for 1000000 packages.. |
| 10:57.05 | endra | can't I just do aptitude update --purge ? |
| 10:57.05 | nhuisman | pretty sick of how much of a pain in the ass it is |
| 10:57.11 | nhuisman | i like it too but god |
| 10:57.37 | nhuisman | not very useful for a production server if you skip updates for a few months and try to update your sysetm. |
| 10:57.54 | Azar | endra: do you like to read and learn why this and why that and what if? |
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| 10:58.30 | Azar | endra: ? |
| 10:58.35 | Azar | gah he left |
| 10:58.47 | nhuisman | so if you were using virtual machines, would you separate every service? |
| 10:59.09 | wols | nhuisman: no |
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| 10:59.36 | nhuisman | i mean should each lamp server have a mysql installation |
| 10:59.39 | nhuisman | or should I just have one mysql box |
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| 10:59.51 | wols | nhuisman: only if different services need different OSes or if you need to compmartmentalize different customers |
| 11:00.32 | marsje | I just noticed my /opt is empty... could this be normal for a desktop-less console-only debian server? |
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| 11:00.55 | xand | marsje: yes |
| 11:00.59 | wols | marsje: yes |
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| 11:01.12 | wols | inf fact why /opt at all? isn't that more of s suse thing? |
| 11:01.14 | Azar | ofcourse endra was baffled at the simplicity of apt compared with his beloved gentoo: http://www.bash.org/?464385 |
| 11:01.18 | marsje | wols: was just scared I acidently deleted something |
| 11:01.27 | xand | the only thing I have in /opt on my desktop is an mpd directory |
| 11:01.28 | rogier | Can anybody suggest an easy way to filter out duplicates in the evolution contacts ? I tried to sync evolution's contacts with my phone, but it got into a mess ;-) Evolution doesn't seem to support filtering duplicates..... |
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| 11:01.45 | nhuisman | I have the following services: dns, dhcp, software license manager, nis, samba domain controller, wikis, cacti installation, syslog server, splunk install, internal web pages, external web pages, outgoing/incoming mail, cups print server, svn repository, and probably a few more |
| 11:01.57 | nhuisman | i was thinking of grouping up dns, dhcp, and nis and making that one virtual machine |
| 11:02.10 | nhuisman | then one lamp for internal, one for external |
| 11:03.15 | nhuisman | it would probably be easier to just have one mysql server |
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| 11:06.37 | raqamy | hi! |
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| 11:07.57 | raqamy | is there any command that returns my cpu temeprature? |
| 11:08.58 | Azar | raqamy: lmsensors package I think it usually goes with gkrellm package |
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| 11:09.51 | raqamy | Azar, nice! |
| 11:09.58 | raqamy | Azar, thanks |
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| 11:10.18 | wols | raqamy: lm_sensors and mbomon both |
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| 11:10.27 | wols | ,bmon is easier to use, less ways to display |
| 11:10.31 | maatttt | Hi all |
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| 11:11.11 | maatttt | running Etch, no gui, I'd like to get he onboard sound to work on an old celeron. |
| 11:11.20 | maatttt | ALSA is the way to go ? |
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| 11:11.35 | Azar | !alsa one-liner |
| 11:11.35 | dpkg | well, alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils , or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to alsa, so "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and "echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules" to provide the oss compatibility layer |
| 11:13.35 | wols | maatttt: yes it is. ac97 most probably |
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| 11:16.32 | maatttt | my aim is get python working with sound, to record. |
| 11:16.58 | maatttt | using the examples in python-alsoaudio, test.py doesn't error. |
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| 11:18.19 | maatttt | but it's doesn't record anything. |
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| 11:27.33 | RichiH | Failed to fetch http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/x/xserver-xorg-video-ark/xserver-xorg-video-ark_0.6.0-6_i386.deb Size mismatch |
| 11:27.44 | RichiH | i have been getting this for more than a week, now |
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| 11:27.52 | RichiH | any guess when the maints will fix that? |
| 11:27.56 | RichiH | it's.. annoying |
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| 11:30.03 | liable | whats the xorg core package these days without all the video drivers for every card known to mankind? |
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| 11:31.07 | hark | RichiH: heh, you're still facing this problem? |
| 11:31.17 | hark | liable: xserver-xorg? |
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| 11:31.59 | yettenet | liable: Try to compile it from source with specific options |
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| 11:32.02 | RichiH | hark: yes |
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| 11:32.21 | liable | hark: nope, that still wants to install the whole kaboodle |
| 11:33.16 | liable | sheesh, even just -core installs em all |
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| 11:33.39 | liable | thats stupid |
| 11:33.46 | RichiH | hark: so you do _not_ have those issues? |
| 11:33.50 | hark | liable: try installing just one of them ( a single xserver-xorg-video-ati say) first, then install xorg |
| 11:33.58 | wols | liable: GUI without input is kinda useless no? |
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| 11:34.11 | liable | hark: i'll try that |
| 11:34.19 | liable | wols: you didnt read what i wrote.. |
| 11:34.41 | hark | RichiH: didn't have them before as well |
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| 11:34.49 | RichiH | bleh |
| 11:34.52 | RichiH | suggestions? |
| 11:34.54 | RichiH | hmm |
| 11:34.58 | RichiH | i will remove the files |
| 11:35.00 | RichiH | richih++ |
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| 11:35.36 | liable | its impossible |
| 11:35.49 | humboldt | When running a Debian Sarge Xen virtual machine guest (domU) on a Feisty host (dom0), which kernel would I use for Sarge? |
| 11:36.06 | hark | liable: because i just have that one AND the xorg metapackage as well installed |
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| 11:36.18 | liable | hark: hrm |
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| 11:37.03 | RichiH | hark: what servers are you using, again? |
| 11:37.09 | maatttt | what logs would I check to see if my audio hardware was being detected ok ? |
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| 11:38.22 | hark | !sources.list |
| 11:38.22 | dpkg | from memory, sources.list is something like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free" where cc is your country code. see <mirrors>, /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list. also see <etch security> |
| 11:38.31 | tarzeau | if i want a debian incoming repository that's just an ftp server right? |
| 11:38.36 | hark | RichiH: the .us or .de ones normally |
| 11:38.52 | RichiH | hark: bleh, then :/ |
| 11:38.56 | tarzeau | what or how are those files put onto a server, i mean the subdirs l/links2/links2*.deb etc? |
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| 11:39.20 | streuner | !own repo |
| 11:39.21 | dpkg | Custom-Package-Repository-HOWTO: [1, as root] apt-get install dpkg-dev; [2, as user] mkdir -p ~/public_html/foo; cd ~/public_html/foo; [3] cp /your/packages.deb .; [4] dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip > Packages.gz; [5, as root] echo >> /etc/apt/sources.list "deb http://localhost/~username/foo ./"; [OR, if no local web server set up] echo >> /etc/apt/sources.list "deb file:///home/username/public_html/foo ./"; |
| 11:39.55 | hark | just get borky Release file behavior sometimes |
| 11:40.12 | hark | liable: it still wants to install them? |
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| 11:41.04 | liable | hark: yes, i have given in. i'll see if i can remove video-all later |
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| 11:44.10 | humboldt | Concerning XEN: I try to run a Debian Sarge DomU guest on a Ubuntu Feisty Dom0 host. Everything is pretty much clear to me, except the kernel issue. Which kernel would I use for the Sarge guest? It can't be wise to use the Ubuntu kernel! |
| 11:44.51 | dutchfish | humboldt, i would use same kernel if available the xen-vserver version |
| 11:45.15 | dutchfish | humboldt, it depends what you want to with the dom-Us |
| 11:45.46 | dutchfish | humboldt, what kernel is dom-0? |
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| 11:46.15 | petemc | i just use the dom0 kernel, i mix debian & ubuntu domUs |
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| 11:48.01 | humboldt | dutchfish: dom0 is 2.6.20 (ubuntu feisty) |
| 11:48.26 | humboldt | I am just afraid that things could break if I use the more modern feisty kernel with sarge. |
| 11:48.28 | dutchfish | humboldt, then you are on your own, xen is not production ready for that kernel [period] |
| 11:49.03 | humboldt | I have been told to purge hotplug and use static dev |
| 11:49.16 | abrotman | devfs doesn't exist anymore |
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| 11:49.41 | dutchfish | humboldt, sure i have it running in testbed, but there are major issues atm |
| 11:49.52 | humboldt | dutchfish: like? |
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| 11:51.04 | dutchfish | humboldt, network issues, security, the fastchanges in the kernel 2.6.20, the bugs < 2.6.20-9, timer issues, more then fit in a oneliner |
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| 11:52.22 | dutchfish | humboldt, 2.6.20 xen just hitted unstable in debian, so why you want that? |
| 11:52.30 | humboldt | dutchfish: you are running sarge as domU in a testbed, that's what you were refering? Or even on a feisty dom0? |
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| 11:53.58 | dutchfish | humboldt, i wouldnt dream ubuntu using for xen, but the lernel issues remain the same, i use debian xen etch 2.6.18-4 and a mix of alot of os-es, sage included on 2.6.18-4-xen-vserver, unless you want hardware to be available under dom-U's |
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| 11:54.49 | dutchfish | humboldt, my main goal is stability and security |
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| 11:54.53 | humboldt | The problem is: My old machine broke down. I remember having issues with installing Sarge with 2.6 on the machine I want to move it to. Feisty installs fine, did not try etch. |
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| 11:55.18 | dutchfish | humboldt, stronly advise you to use etch for xen! |
| 11:55.26 | humboldt | I want to migrate the old installation to a new machine with the least amount of changes to the original installation |
| 11:55.31 | humboldt | I have no HW access. |
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| 11:56.03 | dutchfish | humboldt, etch 2.6.18-4 and 2.6.814-xen-vserver are you friends then |
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| 11:56.38 | dutchfish | humboldt, takes me ~20 min to install a running xen from scratch with them |
| 11:57.15 | humboldt | dutchfish: I am afraid, they are not on my system. Since I upgraded one of my test systems from sarge 2.4 to etch 2.6 I have problems booting! Seems to be due to some HW RAID issues. |
| 11:57.48 | humboldt | Why again you don't recommend feisty for dom0? |
| 11:57.55 | dutchfish | humboldt, all my machines have HW raid (mostly 3ware) no problems at all so far |
| 11:58.01 | humboldt | because 2.6.20 sucks? |
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| 11:58.53 | dutchfish | humboldt, because of the good stability overall in etch and the sec policy debian uses, ubuntu is a nice toy for servers, not more not less |
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| 11:59.34 | dutchfish | humboldt, about 2.6.20, its promising but not ready, thats it |
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| 12:03.35 | liable | !aw |
| 12:03.38 | liable | !aww |
| 12:03.38 | dpkg | *snuggles* |
| 12:03.40 | Ronin | eww |
| 12:04.31 | PerfDave | humboldt: Your hardware raid problems are probably pretty easy to sort. |
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| 12:04.46 | dutchfish | PerfDave, he left ~.~ |
| 12:04.57 | PerfDave | dutchfish: He came back |
| 12:05.06 | PerfDave | dutchfish: And left again |
| 12:05.11 | dutchfish | PerfDave, the yes |
| 12:05.11 | liable | he left! |
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| 12:05.23 | abrotman | and he's back! |
| 12:05.35 | dutchfish | abrotman, :) |
| 12:06.45 | xand | ha |
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| 12:08.22 | abrotman | wait for it .. wait for it |
| 12:08.48 | comsa | how do i make winxp default on dual boot |
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| 12:09.09 | comsa | winxp debian etch |
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| 12:10.48 | liable | hrm, xorg doesnt even run through a config any more at install.. |
| 12:11.04 | wols | comsa: edit your menu.lst |
| 12:11.09 | dutchfish | comsa, default=[no] in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 12:11.34 | dutchfish | comsa, no = number |
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| 12:12.14 | packadal | hi |
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| 12:12.26 | packadal | i'm trying to compile KDE4 alpha from svn, and so i am following the instructions at http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4#Setting_up_the_environment |
| 12:12.39 | packadal | but i can't seem to find the openssl-devel package |
| 12:13.06 | packadal | i looked with apt-cache search, and there was no openssl-dev of any sort :( |
| 12:13.14 | packadal | anyone got the solution ? |
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| 12:14.35 | abrotman | libssl-dev |
| 12:14.38 | abrotman | or similar |
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| 12:15.24 | abrotman | and he's back! |
| 12:15.47 | dutchfish | libssl-dev_0.9.8c-4_alpha.deb ? |
| 12:15.52 | packadal | libssl-dev is already installed |
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| 12:16.06 | packadal | that's why i don't understand |
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| 12:17.05 | packadal | cmakekde tells me : CMake Error: KDE Requires Qt to be built with SSL support |
| 12:17.26 | packadal | and on the page it tells that if you get this error, you need to install openssl and then recompile qt |
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| 12:17.32 | c0nf | ./Floola: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory - anyone know how to fix this? i have libgtk installed :/ |
| 12:17.47 | packadal | but i've already installed libssl-dev and i compiled qt after |
| 12:18.18 | wols | packadal: check Qt configure options |
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| 12:18.54 | comsa | sarge had a nice boot configure |
| 12:20.59 | dutchfish | anyone knows by accident how to let xtail look at subdirs without multiple invokes? |
| 12:21.04 | comsa | ahhh got it thanks for the help |
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| 12:21.06 | Super_Cat_Frog | hi - anybody know why i would get this error from fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage: dpkg-checkbuilddeps: error: source paragraph in control info file is missing Source line |
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| 12:27.33 | combotfighter | hello, can anybody help me by configuring openVPN? |
| 12:27.42 | yettenet | How can I enable javascript in Firefox? |
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| 12:28.22 | PerfDave | combotfighter: I already configured OpenVPN, didn't it help you? |
| 12:28.28 | mosty | yettenet: check the preferences |
| 12:28.28 | c0nf | yettenet, option - content - enable javascript |
| 12:28.39 | c0nf | options* |
| 12:28.49 | yettenet | c0nf: It is enabled |
| 12:28.51 | combotfighter | PerfDave, the Server doesn't run |
| 12:28.56 | yettenet | It doesn't have effect though |
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| 12:29.05 | c0nf | mh |
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| 12:29.20 | PerfDave | combotfighter: What are you trying to do to make the server run, and what do the OpenVPN logs say? |
| 12:29.21 | Grub | make: dh_testdir: Command not found |
| 12:29.24 | Grub | what do i need/ |
| 12:29.47 | hark | yettenet: make sure you haven't got something like noscript installed then |
| 12:29.53 | c0nf | ./Floola: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory - anyone know how to fix this? i have libgtk installed :/ |
| 12:30.04 | yettenet | hark: I don't have any blockers installed |
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| 12:30.44 | combotfighter | PerfDave, firstly i want to say that i am a beginner ;-) Okay for installing i've used "http://www.online-tutorials.net/security/openvpn-tutorial/tutorials-t-69-209.html" - When trying to start it does not start |
| 12:30.45 | PerfDave | c0nf: Look for the package which contains libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 on http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 12:30.52 | nakee | c0nf, do you have /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 ? |
| 12:30.57 | hark | c0nf: install libgtk2.0-0 |
| 12:31.10 | c0nf | narke: yes i do have it |
| 12:31.17 | c0nf | hark: i already installed it |
| 12:31.17 | PerfDave | combotfighter: What are you trying to do to make the server run, and what do the OpenVPN logs say? |
| 12:31.40 | c0nf | PerfDave: i know which package contains it, and i installed it - libgtk2.0-0 |
| 12:31.45 | combotfighter | PerfDave, where are the Logs for openVPN? /var/logs? |
| 12:31.45 | c0nf | but still.. the same error |
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| 12:32.20 | PerfDave | combotfighter: They'll be wherever you configured them to be in your config file. |
| 12:32.29 | yettenet | http://stepien.com.pl/2006/11/26/java-on-debian-including-firefox-plugin/ |
| 12:32.32 | yettenet | Ah, I've got it :P |
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| 12:33.00 | hark | yettenet: java... |
| 12:33.11 | combotfighter | PerfDave, i will look for them, Please wait |
| 12:33.25 | yettenet | hark: ? |
| 12:33.32 | PerfDave | combotfighter: Have you read /usr/share/doc/openvpn/ ? |
| 12:33.45 | combotfighter | no, sorry |
| 12:33.46 | hark | yettenet: well, java is not javascript fyi ;) |
| 12:33.50 | Dewi | anyone got any tips for setting xterm colours to resemble those in putty or console? |
| 12:33.57 | Dewi | I had a file once... but I think it's long lost by now |
| 12:33.59 | yettenet | Oh, I didn't know |
| 12:34.03 | PerfDave | combotfighter: Or http://openvpn.net/howto.html which will walk you through setting up keys etc.? |
| 12:34.09 | yettenet | "Bad-bad yettenet" |
| 12:34.19 | stew | combotfighter: openvpn will log to /var/log/syslog |
| 12:34.24 | PerfDave | Bad bad yettenet, using Java like that. |
| 12:34.30 | hark | yettenet: and it's already in etch (in non-free), install sun-java5-plugin |
| 12:34.32 | yettenet | PerfDave: I feel ashamed |
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| 12:34.51 | combotfighter | PerfDave, all is installed but the server doesn't start up until end |
| 12:35.00 | c0nf | can anyone suggest itunes alternative for amd64 version of etch? (i need it to transfer mp3's to ipod) |
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| 12:35.15 | yettenet | hark: Strange, I have it installed |
| 12:35.24 | stew | yettenet: that stepien.com.pl link is way out of date |
| 12:35.30 | PerfDave | combotfighter: A minute ago you said it didn't start up until the end! |
| 12:35.39 | yettenet | stew: Ahm...Thanks |
| 12:36.21 | combotfighter | yes, it didn't start up until the end. INstallation is already completed, within Certificates and so |
| 12:36.53 | combotfighter | sorry for my bad english |
| 12:37.10 | PerfDave | combotfighter: So is openvpn running or not? |
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| 12:37.52 | combotfighter | i am using "cd /etc/openvpn/ && openvpn --config /etc/openvpn/server.conf" to start my server, but there is No final Message "Initialization Sequence Completed" |
| 12:38.28 | stew | combotfighter: you should be starting it with "/etc/init.d/openvpn start" |
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| 12:38.28 | mosty | c0nf: amarok is ok |
| 12:38.42 | PerfDave | combotfighter: Why are you doing that? To start the server, use "/etc/init.d/openvpn start" |
| 12:39.04 | combotfighter | PerfDave, this was written in the german HowTo |
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| 12:39.27 | yettenet | Well then... I have Java installed, enabled as well in firefox, but it's still not working |
| 12:39.28 | yettenet | Any idea? |
| 12:39.33 | DawnLight | a beutiful day |
| 12:39.45 | PerfDave | combotfighter: I'd pay attention to the OpenVPN howto rather than your random German article :) |
| 12:39.46 | c0nf | mosty: it has only basic features of itunes, no? |
| 12:40.07 | PerfDave | yettenet: It sounds like you've installed it correctly. If Java's not working, that's how you know it's working ;) |
| 12:40.30 | stew | yettenet: which java packages did you install? |
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| 12:40.42 | yettenet | sun-java5-plugin for sure |
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| 12:40.50 | yettenet | stew: Mom, I'll check it |
| 12:40.54 | mosty | c0nf: no actually amarok is a big fat kde music player also |
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| 12:40.58 | stew | yer mom |
| 12:41.00 | yettenet | Is there a command btw to do so? |
| 12:41.04 | combotfighter | Well... i think i should delete it and reinstall it with your howto, before getting on your nerves any more ;-) |
| 12:41.10 | stew | yettenet: what arch are you on? |
| 12:41.13 | yettenet | steve: Mom = Moment |
| 12:41.23 | yettenet | arch? It's a new word for me |
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| 12:41.24 | stew | i'm sure steve was wondering about that :) |
| 12:41.25 | socketERR | witch package must i install, for building the vmware-tools kernel modules? |
| 12:41.32 | stew | yettenet: i386? amd64? |
| 12:41.33 | c0nf | mosty: gah.. not good :p i want to try 'Floola' (seems to be good), but it doesn't work |
| 12:41.34 | mosty | yettenet: you know java and javascript are completely different right? |
| 12:41.36 | yettenet | i386 |
| 12:41.42 | yettenet | mosty: I know |
| 12:41.53 | yettenet | mosty: For about 5 minutes now |
| 12:41.54 | mosty | c0nf: try gtkpod if you want a specialised util |
| 12:41.56 | xand | yettenet: the abbreviation of moment is "mo" :P |
| 12:41.59 | PerfDave | combotfighter: How did you install openvpn in the first place? |
| 12:42.07 | PerfDave | combotfighter: With apt-get or some other mechanism? |
| 12:42.08 | yettenet | xand: Sry :P |
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| 12:42.24 | c0nf | mosty: is it good? i've heard bad reviews about it .. :o |
| 12:42.35 | combotfighter | PerfDave, i've used apt-get |
| 12:42.53 | PerfDave | combotfighter: OK |
| 12:43.10 | stew | yettenet: you might try "update-alternatives --config firefox-javaplugin.so" |
| 12:43.12 | combotfighter | this is ok, isn't it? |
| 12:43.24 | yettenet | stew: java-common, java-package, sun-java5-bin, sun-java5-jre, sun-java5-plugin |
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| 12:43.59 | yettenet | There is only 1 program which provides firefox-javaplugin.so |
| 12:43.59 | yettenet | (/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so). Nothing to configure. |
| 12:44.18 | mosty | c0nf: it's very minimal, but that's what you said you wanted |
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| 12:44.32 | J_P | hi all |
| 12:44.34 | PerfDave | combotfighter: Using an apt-type package manager is the correct way to install software on a Debian system, yes. |
| 12:44.34 | stew | yettenet: and if you go to "about:plugins" in your browser, is java listed anywhere on that page? |
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| 12:44.54 | c0nf | mosty: well yea.. other feature that i need is the thing that allows you sort your music by artist/genre etc.. (on ipod) .. do you know if it supports it? |
| 12:45.12 | yettenet | stew: Yup, a whole bunch of java entries |
| 12:45.26 | stew | yettenet: its installed then |
| 12:45.31 | combotfighter | PerfDave, installing with apt-get is ok? |
| 12:45.37 | stew | combotfighter: yes |
| 12:45.45 | combotfighter | Okay |
| 12:45.48 | yettenet | stew: Then why the hack can't I access any java thingy? :D |
| 12:45.54 | mosty | c0nf: yes |
| 12:46.00 | stew | yettenet: like what? |
| 12:46.12 | yettenet | Hm |
| 12:46.13 | stew | yettenet: do you get an error? |
| 12:46.19 | hark | yettenet: http://www.java.com/en/download/help/testvm.xml |
| 12:46.20 | seans | yettenet: go to http://www.javatester.org/version.html well tell you if its installed/waht version |
| 12:46.22 | c0nf | mosty: thx man :) just installed it, seems to be great |
| 12:46.50 | hark | yettenet: you should see the dancing duke on the page |
| 12:46.56 | PerfDave | combotfighter: So you have a file called /etc/openvpn/something.conf ? |
| 12:47.32 | combotfighter | My apt-get can't find the Packages # lzo |
| 12:47.32 | combotfighter | # pam |
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| 12:47.58 | combotfighter | My apt-get can't find the Packages # lzo and pam - why? |
| 12:48.04 | PerfDave | combotfighter: Sorry, what are you trying to do now? |
| 12:48.13 | SoftIce | good day, in bind how do I get bind to 'bind' to 2 ips only and not * ? |
| 12:48.23 | PerfDave | combotfighter: If you've installed openvpn with "apt-get install openvpn", it will pull in all the dependencies it needs. |
| 12:48.25 | combotfighter | PerfDave, reinstalling with your HowTo |
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| 12:48.36 | stew | combotfighter: which howto is that? |
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| 12:48.48 | stew | combotfighter: debian doesnt' have packages named "lzo" or "pam" |
| 12:48.56 | combotfighter | stew: http://openvpn.net/howto.html |
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| 12:49.09 | PerfDave | combotfighter: http://openvpn.net/howto.html#install is talking about the binary dependencies for RPM-based systems, it's totally irrelevant. |
| 12:49.22 | combotfighter | PerfDave, okay then its all right |
| 12:49.57 | PerfDave | combotfighter: OK, what have you done to your system as part of this "reinstalling"? |
| 12:49.57 | dutchfish | lzop ? |
| 12:50.30 | combotfighter | apt-get remove openvpn, apt-get install openvpn |
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| 12:50.49 | nash-20 | hi |
| 12:50.52 | combotfighter | nothing alse @ PerfDave |
| 12:50.52 | yettenet | Might be some other prob then |
| 12:50.53 | yettenet | LoL... this page locked up iceweasel :P |
| 12:50.56 | nash-20 | have this problem anyone? |
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| 12:51.05 | yettenet | Goddamn net |
| 12:51.09 | nash-20 | The application cannot be started. |
| 12:51.10 | nash-20 | The component manager is not available. |
| 12:51.10 | nash-20 | /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice: line 361: 8629 Fallo de segmento "$sd_prog/$sd_binary" "$@" |
| 12:51.10 | nash-20 | ** (process:8611): WARNING **: Unknown error forking main binary / abnormal early exit ... |
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| 12:51.10 | Appiah | ? |
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| 12:51.13 | yettenet | re |
| 12:51.15 | Appiah | pastebin |
| 12:51.17 | Appiah | please |
| 12:51.17 | yettenet | Nah, I don't see dancing people |
| 12:51.23 | nash-20 | trying to run oowriter |
| 12:51.25 | stew | !tell nash-20 about paste |
| 12:51.44 | nash-20 | sorry |
| 12:51.52 | PerfDave | combotfighter: Have you got a config file for openvpn? What is it called and where is it? |
| 12:52.20 | stew | combotfighter: is it running now? what happens when you try to start it with /etc/init.d/openvpn restart ? |
| 12:52.30 | stew | combotfighter: (make sure you kill any you've started by hand first)( |
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| 12:53.05 | saftsack_ | i did an apt-get update and now i want to install a package but i dont want that other packages are updated, too |
| 12:53.08 | saftsack_ | is this possible? |
| 12:53.16 | combotfighter | nothing is running now @ stew |
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| 12:53.38 | stew | saftsack_: are you trying to mix stable with testing or unstable? |
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| 12:53.43 | combotfighter | PerfDave, i made a config file in /etc/openvpn |
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| 12:53.52 | PerfDave | combotfighter: What did you call that file? |
| 12:53.53 | grub_ | mplayer is not in repos for sarge? |
| 12:53.58 | combotfighter | mom |
| 12:54.02 | grub_ | !mplayer |
| 12:54.02 | dpkg | mplayer is probably in Debian beginning with Etch. See README.Debian in the Debian package for details. You may want to use a player based on xine-lib or vlc instead. Unofficial packages are available on <debian-multimedia>. The Debian and mplayer FAQ is at http://people.debian.org/~mjr/mplayer.html |
| 12:54.02 | stew | combotfighter: what happens when you run "/etc/init.d/openvpn start" |
| 12:54.04 | PerfDave | saftsack_: If you do "apt-get install foo" then it will install your package and install / upgrade any dependencies it needs. |
| 12:54.10 | PerfDave | combotfighter: So it's /etc/openvpn/mom ? |
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| 12:54.20 | stew | grub_: no, but it is in the current stable. |
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| 12:54.30 | combotfighter | No sorry i mentioned one moment please^^ |
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| 12:54.35 | stew | PerfDave: /etc/init.d/server.conf |
| 12:54.37 | saftsack_ | PerfDave, but i have the dependencies already installed .... |
| 12:54.45 | saftsack_ | it will remove an old kernel image for install apache2 ... Oo |
| 12:54.52 | combotfighter | PerfDave: /etc/init.d/server.conf |
| 12:55.00 | stew | saftsack_: what exactly are you trying to install? what version? |
| 12:55.03 | PerfDave | combotfighter: OK, it needs to be /etc/openvpn/server.conf |
| 12:55.11 | saftsack_ | apt-get install apache2 |
| 12:55.14 | stew | err, my mistake |
| 12:55.34 | stew | saftsack_: please show us the output of " apt-cache policy libc6 apache2 " use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 12:55.37 | combotfighter | PerfDave, okay thats exactly what i have |
| 12:55.41 | PerfDave | combotfighter: When you start openvpn, it will look for files called /etc/openvpn/*.conf |
| 12:55.54 | PerfDave | combotfighter: You just said it was /etc/init.d/server.conf |
| 12:56.13 | combotfighter | PerfDave, should i try to start it by using the init-script? |
| 12:56.25 | saftsack_ | http://nopaste.php-q.net/293657 |
| 12:56.29 | PerfDave | combotfighter: Where is your configuration file? |
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| 12:56.37 | combotfighter | PerfDave, jes, its server.conf |
| 12:56.41 | saftsack_ | does it need a newer libc6? i think so .... :( |
| 12:57.00 | PerfDave | combotfighter: *Where* is your configuration file? |
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| 12:57.17 | combotfighter | its /etc/openvpn/server.conf |
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| 12:57.29 | combotfighter | sry |
| 12:57.31 | PerfDave | combotfighter: You're sure? It's not /etc/init.d/server.conf as you said above? |
| 12:57.42 | stew | saftsack_: you are running sarge (aka 3.1 aka oldstable), but your sources.list is pointing to etch (aka 4.0 aka stable). you need to either change your sources to point to sarge, or you need to upgrade to etch: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 12:57.42 | Super_Cat_Frog | hi - anybody know why i would get this: dpkg-checkbuilddeps: error: source paragraph in control info file is missing Source line |
| 12:57.50 | Super_Cat_Frog | from fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage |
| 12:57.51 | combotfighter | sure. |
| 12:57.56 | saftsack_ | stew, oops ;) |
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| 12:58.26 | PerfDave | combotfighter: OK, run "/etc/init.d/openvpn restart" and paste the output to http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 12:58.34 | combotfighter | okay |
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| 12:59.16 | combotfighter | PerfDave, No Errors, but also No output^^ |
| 12:59.36 | PerfDave | combotfighter: I'm not seeing you pasting the output to http://paste.debian.net |
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| 12:59.52 | combotfighter | okay wait |
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| 13:01.06 | combotfighter | http://paste.debian.net/27520 |
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| 13:02.06 | PerfDave | combotfighter: That's very unusual. Can you paste /etc/default/openvpn for me? |
| 13:02.09 | stew | combotfighter: what does "grep AUTO /etc/default/openvpn" return? |
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| 13:03.32 | combotfighter | PerfDave, No Permission |
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| 13:03.50 | PerfDave | combotfighter: What do you mean, "no permission"? |
| 13:04.09 | stew | combotfighter: we just want to see the contents of that file, we are not asking you to execute it as a script |
| 13:04.21 | combotfighter | the bash says No permission |
| 13:04.37 | stew | combotfighter: what command did you type? |
| 13:04.37 | PerfDave | combotfighter: Please paste the contents of the file /etc/default/openvpn to http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 13:04.50 | PerfDave | Not the output of the script, because it's not a script. |
| 13:04.58 | stew | well it kinda is :) |
| 13:05.00 | PerfDave | Use "cat /etc/default/openvpn" |
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| 13:05.08 | combotfighter | : /etc/default/openvpn |
| 13:05.34 | _Konky | anyone an idea why my rsa key (i always create new ones to test) sometimes works and sometimes not with openssh ? |
| 13:05.42 | PerfDave | stew: No, it's a file which contains commands which can be used in a script, but it's not executable and doesn't have a shebang line :p |
| 13:05.44 | _Konky | < frustrated after 3 hours of fucking with ssh |
| 13:06.01 | combotfighter | http://paste.debian.net/27521 |
| 13:06.05 | stew | _Konky: /msg dpkg debug sshd |
| 13:06.11 | yettenet | See ya |
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| 13:06.16 | _Konky | 20-30% of the cases my keypair works for authentification, the other times it doe snot work |
| 13:06.30 | _Konky | what's that stew ? |
| 13:06.33 | _Konky | i tried the -v flag |
| 13:06.39 | _Konky | i just get permission denied |
| 13:06.50 | stew | dpkg: tell _Konky about debug sshd |
| 13:07.00 | PerfDave | combotfighter: Have you made any changes to /etc/init.d/openvpn ? |
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| 13:07.07 | combotfighter | No |
| 13:07.08 | Super_Cat_Frog | _Konky: ssh -v user@host |
| 13:07.30 | PerfDave | combotfighter: Can you please paste the output of "ls -l /etc/openvpn" to http://paste.debian.net/ ? |
| 13:07.32 | Super_Cat_Frog | _Konky: permission denied on your id_rsa.pub ? |
| 13:07.45 | stew | combotfighter: did you originatlly install this from source? or did you originally install it via apt-get ? |
| 13:07.59 | _Konky | oh that really helps stew |
| 13:08.09 | _Konky | Authentication refused: bad ownership or modes for directory |
| 13:08.13 | combotfighter | http://paste.debian.net/27522 |
| 13:08.28 | combotfighter | stew: apt-get |
| 13:08.28 | stew | _Konky: how did you copy your key to the server? you should, in general, use ssh-copy-id |
| 13:08.56 | _Konky | i'm finally developing for a very tiny distribution, i need basic tools |
| 13:09.01 | _Konky | (i used ftp) |
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| 13:10.04 | stew | _Konky: well the .ssh directory should be chmod 700, authorized keys should be 600 and the home directory must not be world writable, and all of those must be owned by the user |
| 13:10.04 | _Konky | i didn't know it's group sensitive |
| 13:10.08 | stew | _Konky: ssh-copy-id is in the openssh-client package, so if you have ssh, you have ssh-copy-id |
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| 13:10.32 | PerfDave | combotfighter: I'm not seeing why /etc/init.d/openvpn wouldn't notice /etc/openvpn/server.conf |
| 13:11.05 | combotfighter | i dont know |
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| 13:11.26 | combotfighter | i could paste you an ls of /etc/openvpn ?¿? |
| 13:11.29 | kuene | i am running etch. i have installed mdadm it makes a raid one out of /dev/hdd and /dev/hdg. wen i run fdisk i see /dev/md0 and one partition /dev/md0p1. but /dev/md0p1 does not exist in /dev/. how can i create it and mount my raid? |
| 13:11.45 | stew | combotfighter: you already did |
| 13:12.00 | PerfDave | combotfighter: Which version of Debian are you running? |
| 13:12.39 | stew | combotfighter: can you pastebin the output of "grep -i ovpn /var/log/syslog" ? |
| 13:12.39 | combotfighter | hmmmmm i dont know |
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| 13:12.55 | combotfighter | stew, Yes |
| 13:13.03 | PerfDave | combotfighter: Which version of Debian did you install? |
| 13:13.13 | combotfighter | stew, its clear |
| 13:13.28 | combotfighter | PerfDave, where can i find this out? |
| 13:13.53 | stew | combotfighter: how about "ps -ax | grep openvpn" ? |
| 13:14.09 | stew | combotfighter: what does "apt-cache policy libc6 | grep Installed" return? |
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| 13:14.59 | combotfighter | stew: http://paste.debian.net/27523 |
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| 13:16.13 | combotfighter | stew: "apt-cache policy libc6 | grep Installed" => clear |
| 13:16.46 | stew | combotfighter: you aren't running debian at all then |
| 13:16.46 | combotfighter | ??? |
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| 13:16.54 | PerfDave | stew: Or at least, not Debian GNU/Linux... |
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| 13:17.06 | stew | combotfighter: what does "cat /proc/version" return? |
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| 13:17.15 | combotfighter | PerfDave, i've installed the netinstall-cd |
| 13:17.21 | _Konky | stew: do you nkow if sshd can be made less strict on modes ? |
| 13:17.30 | PerfDave | combotfighter: Which netinstall CD? |
| 13:17.32 | _Konky | i've a shared home directory for multiple users |
| 13:17.38 | stew | _Konky: dunno, check "man sshd_config" |
| 13:17.42 | _Konky | ^^ k |
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| 13:17.51 | combotfighter | PerfDave, debian.org |
| 13:17.51 | PerfDave | _Konky: That's deeply, deeply wrong. |
| 13:17.58 | Super_Cat_Frog | hi - anybody know why i would get this: "dpkg-checkbuilddeps: error: source paragraph in control info file is missing Source line" from fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage |
| 13:18.08 | _Konky | always depends on the environment perfdave |
| 13:18.15 | PerfDave | combotfighter: That doesn't help me, there are at least 30 different netinstall CDs |
| 13:18.15 | combotfighter | http://paste.debian.net/27524 |
| 13:18.21 | wols | Super_Cat_Frog: a broken source package? |
| 13:18.29 | combotfighter | i will look up, one moment Please |
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| 13:18.39 | stew | combotfighter: try this again: "apt-cache policy libc6 | grep Installed" |
| 13:18.43 | stew | combotfighter: you must have made a typo |
| 13:19.08 | stew | combotfighter: or just "apt-cache policy libc6" |
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| 13:19.42 | combotfighter | PerfDave: debian-40r0-i386-netinst.iso |
| 13:20.11 | combotfighter | stew: clear again |
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| 13:20.42 | stew | combotfighter: can you paste the output of 'apt-cache policy libc6' ? |
| 13:21.42 | combotfighter | of course i can - here it is: http://paste.debian.net/27525 |
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| 13:21.57 | stew | oh |
| 13:22.05 | PerfDave | stew: German > you! :) |
| 13:22.23 | combotfighter | Yes |
| 13:22.56 | Super_Cat_Frog | wols: ./configure works when i do it manually |
| 13:23.16 | PerfDave | combotfighter: OK, all my OpenVPN servers are running Debian 3.1 - I'm assuming there's some difference between 3.1 and 4.0 which is causing your problem. Can you paste /etc/init.d/openvpn for me, and set the language to "bash"? |
| 13:23.42 | combotfighter | how? |
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| 13:25.12 | wols | Super_Cat_Frog: but that won't make you a .deb. your debian meta info is wrong |
| 13:25.35 | combotfighter | PerfDave: http://paste.debian.net/27526 |
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| 13:25.47 | slav0nic | in debian dbus version 0.61? |
| 13:25.58 | rommel | PerfDave, hey thanks for helping yesterday |
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| 13:28.13 | PerfDave | combotfighter: http://paste.debian.net/27527 has syntax highlighting ;) |
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| 13:28.26 | combotfighter | PerfDave, that means??? |
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| 13:29.19 | PerfDave | combotfighter: It looks pretty! |
| 13:29.24 | combotfighter | okay^^ |
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| 13:30.05 | PerfDave | combotfighter: Can you please run "DEBIAN_SCRIPT_DEBUG=1 /etc/init.d/openvpn restart" and paste the output? :) |
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| 13:31.22 | combotfighter | http://paste.debian.net/27528 |
| 13:31.32 | PerfDave | rommel: No worries :) |
| 13:32.00 | PerfDave | combotfighter: That DEBIAN_SCRIPT_DEBUG thing is awesome! |
| 13:32.17 | combotfighter | that means? |
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| 13:32.24 | PerfDave | combotfighter: Hang on a sec |
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| 13:32.48 | PerfDave | combotfighter: What does "ls -l /usr/sbin/openvpn" tell you? |
| 13:33.37 | Super_Cat_Frog | wols: can you have a look at my control file: http://rafb.net/p/eZrbxx62.html |
| 13:33.44 | combotfighter | PerfDave > not found |
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| 13:34.08 | PerfDave | combotfighter: OK, that's what's wrong. Somehow you've ended up with a system where the openvpn initscript is installed, but the openvpn binary isn't. |
| 13:34.14 | archville | Hi. |
| 13:34.26 | shajra | Does anyone know if vnc4server can dynamically resize desktops? |
| 13:34.31 | PerfDave | combotfighter: I suggest running: "apt-get --purge remove openvpn; apt-get install openvpn" |
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| 13:35.36 | combotfighter | okay, can we test it again? |
| 13:35.39 | neocon | hello guys, I booted into runlevel 3 and now I get the console. The size of the fonts are bigger than the default size in slackware 11.0, how can I change that ? |
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| 13:36.01 | PerfDave | combotfighter: Once you purge and reinstall openvpn, sure. |
| 13:36.12 | combotfighter | ready^^ |
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| 13:36.33 | PerfDave | combotfighter: OK, try doing "DEBIAN_SCRIPT_DEBUG=1 /etc/init.d/openvpn restart" and pasting the output again? |
| 13:37.26 | PerfDave | neocon: On Debian you generally don't need to play around with runlevels. |
| 13:37.26 | stew | neocon: what version of debian are you running? |
| 13:37.32 | neocon | etch last stable |
| 13:37.40 | neocon | PerfDave: just for fun |
| 13:37.49 | combotfighter | :D too long, i have to paste it firstly in a file |
| 13:37.50 | ofer | how do I seperate between the instrumental and the acapella in an mp3 song ? |
| 13:38.27 | PerfDave | combotfighter: OK :) |
| 13:38.45 | stew | combotfighter: DEBIAN_SCRIPT_DEBUG=1 /etc/init.d/openvpn restart >/tmp/openvpn.log 2>&1 ; will dump all the output to /tmp/openvpn.log ; http://pastebin.ca/upload.php will let you upload this file |
| 13:38.49 | fanti | i want a different resolution on my notebook's vga-output? on notebook screen i use 1400x1050, is it possible to define a second resolution for vga-output? |
| 13:38.56 | PerfDave | ofer: I don't think you can. You could do so in a Vorbis file with multiple ogg streams perhaps. |
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| 13:39.51 | fanti | cd /join #linux.de |
| 13:39.55 | fanti | eh |
| 13:39.57 | Azar | fanti |
| 13:40.09 | Azar | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 13:40.09 | wols | fanti: yes. but usually you have to treat it as you had 2 monitors. meaning you have to edit org.conf manually |
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| 13:41.05 | combotfighter | PerfDave: http://paste.debian.net/27529 |
| 13:41.17 | fanti | Azar: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg just asks me for the resolution of the notebook-screen, not for the vga-output |
| 13:41.28 | combotfighter | enjoy reading :) |
| 13:41.34 | Azar | fanti: ah... because I have 3 resolutions set.. |
| 13:41.35 | Trewas | ofer: if you meant splitting mp3 to several separate files there are about million programs for that, mp3splt seems to be one of the debian packaged ones |
| 13:41.37 | wols | fanti: yes it won't deal with dual mon setups |
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| 13:41.57 | ofer | Trewas, nah, that isn't what I mean. but thanks anyway |
| 13:41.58 | Azar | ahhhhh dual monitors.. sorry |
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| 13:42.08 | fanti | wols: hmm is there any howto which tells what i need to do? |
| 13:42.27 | fs-a | hello, i want to start using kmail and remove mutt. is it safe to remove exim? |
| 13:42.27 | ofer | PerfDave, yeah, that's why I said an MP3 file. are you sure it's not possible? the acapella is only heard in some frequencies |
| 13:42.32 | wols | a!laptop |
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| 13:42.34 | wols | !laptop |
| 13:42.34 | dpkg | hmm... laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, see http://www.thinkwiki.org/ |
| 13:42.44 | niru | I want to create source cd |
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| 13:42.48 | niru | how to do that |
| 13:43.00 | niru | is it just copying the sources and putting in cd |
| 13:43.01 | devian | hallo what is LBA in filesystem ?? |
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| 13:43.20 | nvz | fanti: basically you setup a section for each piece of hardware then add it to the server layout section |
| 13:43.29 | blase | you tell me ;) |
| 13:43.33 | nvz | fanti: just look at the config /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 13:43.46 | fanti | nvz: thx |
| 13:43.48 | fs-a | hi, is it safe to not have an MTA if using a mail reader fetching its own? |
| 13:43.48 | Super_Cat_Frog | can somebody have a look at my control file for a deb im trying to build: http://rafb.net/p/eZrbxx62.html - the error im getting is dpkg-checkbuilddeps: error: source paragraph in control info file is missing Source line |
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| 13:44.05 | PerfDave | combotfighter: OK, that looks like it's working fine now - if you do just "/etc/init.d/openvpn restart" you should see your "server" config shutting down and startingup. |
| 13:44.24 | PerfDave | fs-a: If you don't have an MTA, it makes it hard for your system to deliver mail to you. |
| 13:44.35 | nvz | fanti: actually the monitors get added to a "screen" section and the "screen" is added to the server layout. |
| 13:44.38 | fs-a | PerfDave, "hard"? |
| 13:44.41 | devian | hallo what is LBA in filesystem ?? |
| 13:44.45 | fs-a | PerfDave, is it right or not |
| 13:44.59 | combotfighter | YEAH, it works :) |
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| 13:45.03 | PerfDave | fs-a: I believe that all Unix-type systems should have at least a minimal MTA. |
| 13:45.08 | nvz | fanti: you should have no problem finding a howto or sample config online |
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| 13:45.22 | fs-a | PerfDave, if i try to remove it there's no warning from apt |
| 13:45.25 | PerfDave | ofer: If you want to split an existing MP3 based on frequency, you might be able to do that with audacity or something. I don't think the MP3 file format can store multiple streams as seperate logical antities though. |
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| 13:45.57 | combotfighter | PerfDave, does the Server use my configfile right now? |
| 13:45.57 | PerfDave | fs-a: This may be because the Debian package maintainers have a different opinion from me, or becuase they want to be more like Ubuntoy. |
| 13:46.12 | fs-a | .. |
| 13:46.18 | PerfDave | combotfighter: The reason it says "server" is because that's the name of your server.conf file. |
| 13:46.19 | fs-a | it's not bad wanting to use kmail |
| 13:46.26 | Super_Cat_Frog | hi - i was disconnected - can somebody have a look at my control file for a deb im trying to build: http://rafb.net/p/eZrbxx62.html - the error im getting is dpkg-checkbuilddeps: error: source paragraph in control info file is missing Source line |
| 13:46.34 | niru | How to create a source cd? |
| 13:46.35 | PerfDave | fs-a: I didn't say anything about kmail. I use it myself. |
| 13:46.44 | Super_Cat_Frog | hi - i was disconnected - can somebody have a look at my control file for a deb im trying to build: http://rafb.net/p/eZrbxx62.html - the error im getting is dpkg-checkbuilddeps: error: source paragraph in control info file is missing Source line |
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| 13:47.13 | fs-a | well i was using exim and mutt for years i'm sick of them, i want a idiot's proof solution now:p |
| 13:47.16 | combotfighter | PerfDave, that means it should run now? |
| 13:47.22 | PerfDave | combotfighter: It should do yes. |
| 13:47.23 | Narada | hi guys in the default debian kernel is smp enabled? |
| 13:47.34 | PerfDave | fs-a: Using kmail doesn't mean that you can't have an MTA |
| 13:47.38 | fbeyer | Does debian modify the source code of the packages it is distributing? Is there a policy about how they handle it? |
| 13:47.38 | combotfighter | that would be wonderful |
| 13:47.45 | PerfDave | Narada: In Etch, all kernels are SMP-enabledI believe. |
| 13:47.53 | PerfDave | fbeyer: Yes, and yes :) |
| 13:47.56 | Narada | PerfDave: Cool and before? |
| 13:48.02 | nvz | fbeyer: yes and of course |
| 13:48.10 | PerfDave | Narada: In Sarge, you need a special -smp variant |
| 13:48.12 | fs-a | PerfDave, i want to use isp's pop on it |
| 13:48.29 | PerfDave | fs-a: The MUA you use has nothing to do with the MTA you use! |
| 13:48.30 | fs-a | PerfDave, so i was wondering if debian needs a whole exim4 for anything else |
| 13:48.48 | PerfDave | fs-a: If your system doesn't have an MTA, it can't deliver mail to you or for you. |
| 13:48.51 | fs-a | er.. pop, i meant smtp |
| 13:48.55 | fbeyer | PerfDave: In what extend do they change it? Is it realistic that they cause security issues that do not exist with compiling manually? |
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| 13:49.17 | fs-a | PerfDave, yes, i know, the errors for example, but does it need a whole exim4 for it? |
| 13:49.21 | PerfDave | fbeyer: Are you suggesting that Debian put security holes in their binary packages? |
| 13:49.26 | nvz | fs-a: mail is the traditional means of delivering messages on a system such as errors and logs |
| 13:49.38 | fs-a | nvz, does it need a whole exim4 for it? |
| 13:49.42 | PerfDave | fs-a: It needs an MTA. There are smaller MTAs than exim4, but exim4 isn't exactly huge if it's not being used much. |
| 13:49.59 | nvz | fs-a: a whole exim4? heh |
| 13:49.59 | fs-a | yes it's not like it's huge.. |
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| 13:50.09 | fs-a | but still i don't want it:p |
| 13:50.14 | nvz | !nullmailer |
| 13:50.14 | dpkg | methinks nullmailer is a minimal mta for hosts which just send directly to smart relays and is at http://em.ca/~bruceg/nullmailer/, or now a Debian package. |
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| 13:50.34 | fs-a | i dont even want a smart relay |
| 13:50.34 | PerfDave | fbeyer: Debian usually modifies software to make it fit in with the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard, to integrate well with other Debian software and to fix bugs which haven't been integrated by upstream. |
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| 13:50.54 | Narada | PerfDave: Okay thanks. |
| 13:50.56 | PerfDave | fs-a: You don't have to have an MTA, but then your system won't be able to mail you. It's up to you. |
| 13:51.11 | fs-a | PerfDave, the errors won't be sent at all? |
| 13:51.14 | fs-a | hm.. |
| 13:51.16 | fs-a | bAD |
| 13:51.32 | fbeyer | PerfDave: I am not but i had a heated discussion with my boss on that topic and he argued that compiling manually would be more secure since once a debian security issue is made public hackers could try to pick debian systems for their attacks |
| 13:51.39 | PerfDave | fs-a: That's what an MTA does. It transports mail. |
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| 13:52.15 | nvz | fbeyer: anyone who uses the word hacker in that tone is an idiot |
| 13:52.22 | fs-a | PerfDave, i was wondering if for basic things such as debian's cron jobs mail was directly written in case of no mta |
| 13:52.33 | PerfDave | fs-a: No, that's what an MTA does. |
| 13:52.35 | nono31 | How do I know who is using bandwith on my network? (i have my debian with 2 network interfaceS: eth0 for internet and eth1 for local networking) |
| 13:52.37 | joaozinho | hi, im having problem with apt-get dist-upgrade and apt-get -f, they both say something about e2fsprogs |
| 13:52.38 | fs-a | k |
| 13:52.40 | ahlfors | Is GCC4 considered stable enough to compile the kernel? |
| 13:52.42 | combotfighter | PerfDave, it seems to run but my Windows-Client cant connect. is there any Possibility to test it? |
| 13:52.53 | nvz | fbeyer: debian is being 'hacked' round the clock thats why its programs have security fixes |
| 13:52.53 | PerfDave | fbeyer: I can't think of the last time a Debian security announcement involved the way software was packaged by Debian, rather than a problem in the upstream package. |
| 13:53.26 | PerfDave | fbeyer: Bear in mind that if you compile stuff by hand, you also lose out on the sterling work of the Debian Security Team, who have between them more time, energy and skills to fix security problems than you do ;) |
| 13:53.32 | fbeyer | PerfDave: Yeah, I said the same thing. But it is not totally unrealistic, is it? |
| 13:53.39 | jelly-home | ahlfors: Debian has been compiling its own kernels with 4.1 for a while |
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| 13:54.01 | MementoMori | hi all |
| 13:54.07 | PerfDave | fbeyer: The infinitessimal risk of Debian introducing its own security holes into its binary packages is far outweighted by the benefit of the Debian security infrastructure. |
| 13:54.30 | joaozinho | hi, im having problem with apt-get dist-upgrade and apt-get -f, they both say something about e2fsprogs, how do i remove e2fsprogs so i can update it and resolve the problem? this is a known problem..! thx |
| 13:54.41 | PerfDave | combotfighter: You can check whether openvpn is running with: netstat -plunt | grep openvpn |
| 13:54.42 | MementoMori | how can I add http://download.opengroupware.org/releases/stable/sope-4.4.0-cell/sarge/binary-i386/ (which contains Packages.gz) to sources.list? |
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| 13:55.03 | fbeyer | PerfDave: Thanks a lot. |
| 13:55.07 | PerfDave | combotfighter: And you can check the openvpn logs. |
| 13:55.08 | nvz | joaozinho: be more specific.. version of debian? pastebin with the error? |
| 13:55.26 | combotfighter | PerfDave, thank you for helping me - it runs :) |
| 13:55.28 | PerfDave | fbeyer: Security is all about risk management. Everything you do will have benefits and risks. |
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| 13:55.43 | PerfDave | combotfighter: Cool. Now you can check your openvpn logs for information about your Windows client's problem. |
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| 13:55.58 | jelly-home | MementoMori: deb stuff://path/to/dir ./ |
| 13:55.58 | abrotman | MementoMori: if i had to guess .. "deb http://download.opengroupware.org/releases/stable/sope-4.4.0-cell/ sarge main" .. but double check `man sources.list` .. it might help |
| 13:56.04 | combotfighter | where can i find these??? @ PerfDave |
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| 13:56.11 | abrotman | MementoMori: or ask them ... |
| 13:56.22 | joaozinho | nvz it is not really a debian, but is old ... |
| 13:56.38 | nvz | joaozinho: what? |
| 13:56.43 | PerfDave | combotfighter: Check your log settings in /etc/openvpn/server.conf |
| 13:56.44 | jelly-home | abrotman: yeah, but consider that Packages is _in_ binary-arch/ dir, which is unusual |
| 13:56.55 | satan | Everytime gdm first starts it flashes then eventually I can barely see a login text box. I have to ctl+alt+f1 then restart gdm to make it work. Any ideas? |
| 13:56.55 | joaozinho | nvz: lol |
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| 13:57.22 | PerfDave | satan: When you ctrl-alt-f1, is there anything in /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? |
| 13:57.28 | joaozinho | this is knoppix, wich use debian`s packages, so, here i am asking for help |
| 13:57.34 | combotfighter | PerfDave, there are No Log settings |
| 13:57.37 | PerfDave | joaozinho: Knoppix is not Debian. |
| 13:57.39 | satan | PerfDave: Maybe something. Not much tho. |
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| 13:57.47 | joaozinho | PerfDave: omg |
| 13:57.53 | xoz_ | mementomori reminds me of the K of C byword |
| 13:57.53 | jelly-home | joaozinho: uhm... #knoppix is that way --> |
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| 13:57.59 | abrotman | jelly-home: that's where it should be IIRC |
| 13:58.05 | PerfDave | combotfighter: In that case, look in /var/log/messages or /var/log/daemon.log or somewhere? |
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| 13:58.28 | combotfighter | :) where can i set a file for logging? |
| 13:58.30 | PerfDave | combotfighter: Or add a line which says "log-append /var/log/openvpn.log" to your server.conf and restart OpenVPN :) |
| 13:59.24 | combotfighter | better choice :) |
| 13:59.24 | satan | http://rafb.net/p/lxmVwX50.html |
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| 13:59.26 | joaozinho | there is no one availabel to help 2 |
| 13:59.28 | Noborusan | hi abrotman,how are you lately ? |
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| 13:59.43 | PerfDave | joaozinho: That doesn't mean that #debian is the right place to ask #knoppix questions. |
| 13:59.44 | joaozinho | @ knnopix channel, and whats different? this is a known debian problem too |
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| 13:59.53 | PerfDave | joaozinho: Go ask #fedora |
| 13:59.54 | minus | hi. Can someone tell me why i cant install Debian Etch 4.0 r0 on my computer? I have a Gigabyte GA-965P-DS4, Intel E6600, 2GB DDR2 800MHz RAM, XFX 7950GT?? |
| 13:59.55 | nvz | joaozinho: in #knoppix. we dont resolve other distro's dependency problems here |
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| 14:00.18 | PerfDave | minus: Why do you think you can't install it? |
| 14:00.32 | nvz | joaozinho: if it was a known debian problem I would have pulled a known closed bug number for you |
| 14:00.54 | minus | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:01.00 | joaozinho | it is a depdencies problem, from 2004`s debian i think |
| 14:01.17 | joaozinho | a small problem with e2fsprogs |
| 14:01.49 | PerfDave | minus: OK, you need to go back to the beginning. For starters, how did you install Debian? |
| 14:01.52 | MementoMori | abrotman: I think you are wrong... but thank you anyway... a wrong answer is better than no answer ;) |
| 14:02.15 | satan | Is there a good tutorial for setting up nvidia? I might have done it wrong. I used m-a and nvidia-glx. |
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| 14:02.30 | minus | PerfDave, NetInstall |
| 14:02.35 | minus | -.- |
| 14:02.39 | nvz | !nvidia howto |
| 14:02.47 | minus | Can someone else help me then? |
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| 14:03.33 | nvz | !_default nvidia howto |
| 14:03.46 | nvz | dpkg, hello |
| 14:03.46 | dpkg | privet, nvz |
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| 14:04.03 | jelly-home | !nvidia |
| 14:04.03 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 14:04.04 | joaozinho | when i run apt-get -f install, it says: E: Internal Error, |
| 14:04.12 | joaozinho | when i run apt-get -f install, it says: E: Internal Error, Could not early remove e2fsprogs |
| 14:04.19 | fbeyer | One more thing: Can anyone point me to a document describing the policy on in what extend debian changes the original source code of its packages? Is there some way to see the differences/changes to the original source? |
| 14:04.21 | nvz | dpkg, nvidia howto |
| 14:04.30 | nvz | hmm |
| 14:04.45 | xoz | fbeyer: Changelogs |
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| 14:05.10 | jelly-home | joaozinho: remove it with dpkg? |
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| 14:05.27 | minus | So no one knows why i cant boot debian etch on my comp then? |
| 14:05.31 | xoz | fbeyer: and diff patch file |
| 14:05.43 | tarzeau | someone with etch and kde and wdm? |
| 14:05.55 | xoz | minus: we are not mind readers |
| 14:05.55 | joaozinho | how do i force a uninstall of a essential package? dpkg --force-remove-essential didnt work |
| 14:05.55 | fbeyer | xoz: how can i find those files? |
| 14:05.55 | tarzeau | can you tell me what it says bottom left? kwin? kdestart? how to start kde? |
| 14:05.56 | jelly-home | joaozinho: no guarantees of not messing up your pre-sarge non-debian system |
| 14:05.56 | irule | where can I download woody from? or, what is the exact file name? thanks! |
| 14:06.13 | minus | xoz, What do you want to know then? |
| 14:06.22 | minus | I've said all the stuff thats in my comp |
| 14:06.28 | xoz | fbeyer: Changelogs in /usr/share/doc/<package>/ |
| 14:06.31 | joaozinho | actually d.p.k.g knows what im talking about, :p |
| 14:06.34 | liable | minus: did you install grub to the mbr? |
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| 14:06.48 | minus | liable, Yes |
| 14:06.54 | xoz | fbeyer: in the source file. you must have deb-src in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 14:07.21 | liable | minus: well, looks like it didnt work. boot the install cd and use the rescue option and reinstall grub |
| 14:07.40 | liable | minus: or your hard drive has suddenly failed. |
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| 14:07.56 | minus | liable, I've install Debian about 5 times. And is has failed when booting debian all times |
| 14:07.58 | nvz | or you have some generic bios "virus protection" |
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| 14:07.59 | liable | thats the only time i have seen that error |
| 14:08.17 | minus | liable, it works under Windows right now.. But i dont want windows. |
| 14:08.18 | combotfighter | PerfDave, how can i make gdm not to start up automatically with my system? |
| 14:08.38 | liable | minus: so you can still boot windows?? |
| 14:08.40 | JosefAssad | debian not booting? What kind of machine is that, ENIAC? |
| 14:08.40 | xoz | minus: no special config like are you using raid? is this just a normal install? |
| 14:08.42 | minus | nvz, Yes. I checked in bios and i saw som kind of virusblabla |
| 14:08.48 | nvz | minus: turn it off |
| 14:08.55 | minus | xoz, just a normal install |
| 14:09.01 | liable | virus shit in bios? |
| 14:09.05 | nvz | minus: monitors changes in the MBR and prevents them |
| 14:09.09 | minus | nvz, I'll do that :) |
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| 14:09.15 | xoz | minus: disable virus protection in mbr in bios |
| 14:09.30 | nvz | liable: yeah some bios will prevent you from writing to mbr |
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| 14:09.36 | joaozinho | with -o APT::Force-LoopBack=1 -f install it seens to be installing, ill go for coffe, thx for help |
| 14:09.38 | minus | But later.. In the weekend. I got a big Math test tomorrow |
| 14:09.43 | minus | Thanks guys |
| 14:09.51 | liable | jesus christ, now bios coders need to protect people from windows |
| 14:09.58 | nvz | liable: heh |
| 14:10.37 | nvz | liable: its been going on for a long time.. I havent seen a bad breakout of those kinds of viruses in years though. |
| 14:10.52 | JosefAssad | bios boot sector protection is pretty common from what I've seen |
| 14:11.05 | nvz | commonly stupid |
| 14:11.24 | nvz | but hey.. I don't think they ever made a cure for monkey.b |
| 14:11.39 | nvz | oh wait its called debian |
| 14:12.00 | joaozinho | how do i copy something to clipboard cache? control+c doesnt work :> i know to paste its shift+insert heh |
| 14:12.18 | liable | half way there! |
| 14:12.40 | nvz | joaozinho: you highlight it.. duh |
| 14:12.40 | liable | just the wrong half ;) |
| 14:13.13 | joaozinho | nvz: i know it, i guess it happens because this is not debian, right? |
| 14:13.43 | nvz | joaozinho: blah |
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| 14:14.09 | nvz | joaozinho: I'm serious all you do is highlight it |
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| 14:14.39 | joaozinho | lol, i know it, im using debian since 2005, but it doesnt work here in the old box |
| 14:14.39 | nvz | and paste is button2 or button3 not shift+ins |
| 14:14.40 | JosefAssad | heh |
| 14:14.59 | joaozinho | actually shift+ins is pasting :> |
| 14:15.32 | liable | how do you use screen from within screen |
| 14:15.41 | liable | erm, lemme explain |
| 14:15.49 | petemc | press a twice |
| 14:15.56 | Ronin | liable: ctrl a to bounce between if you're doing what i think you are |
| 14:15.59 | nvz | I've been using debian since 2000 and last time I used shift+ins and ctrl+ins to copy/paste I was like 10 years old and using qbasic |
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| 14:16.26 | joaozinho | lol |
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| 14:16.34 | Jawq | does an accountant or something in business make as much as enginener or it degree? |
| 14:16.35 | liable | ssh to box one, screen -> box two screen |
| 14:16.49 | joaozinho | im using a distro, wich is based on kurumin, wich is based on knoppix |
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| 14:17.11 | nvz | sounds disgusting.. what are you trying to do make us puke? |
| 14:17.16 | Ronin | joaozinho: then boy are you in the wrong channel |
| 14:17.17 | liable | petemc: let me try that |
| 14:17.29 | joaozinho | haha, Nope. |
| 14:17.42 | nvz | Ronin: we all told him that an hour ago |
| 14:17.50 | Ronin | nvz: figures |
| 14:17.53 | jelly-home | liable: ctrl-a a stuff |
| 14:18.01 | nvz | Ronin: well 20 minutes |
| 14:18.07 | DawnLight | anyone know of a full screen front end to iptables? |
| 14:18.31 | liable | hrm, this could get confusing |
| 14:18.34 | nvz | DawnLight: bash? vi? heh |
| 14:18.42 | jelly-home | liable: or define some other escape key... eg. start screen with -e^Bb param |
| 14:18.44 | DawnLight | common |
| 14:18.54 | liable | i managed to get back by mashing ^a :) |
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| 14:19.12 | Ronin | liable: like we said ctrl a to bouce between them |
| 14:19.26 | jelly-home | liable: ctrl-b in da outer and ctrl-a in the inner screen! |
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| 14:19.43 | nvz | I use ^a^a to toggle between two screen windows without nested screens |
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| 14:19.54 | nvz | I never really bothered to nest screens on purpose |
| 14:19.56 | liable | it is nested |
| 14:20.03 | petemc | screen within screen is a bollocks |
| 14:20.12 | jelly-home | petemc: is not! |
| 14:20.17 | cydork | DawnLight: what do you mean by full screen frontend? |
| 14:20.18 | liable | well, its the only way to ssh to second box |
| 14:20.19 | petemc | i find it awkward |
| 14:20.33 | jelly-home | amateurs |
| 14:20.46 | DawnLight | cydork: a cli gui |
| 14:20.54 | nvz | cydork: whats a wysiwyg rule editor it seems preferably in ncurses |
| 14:21.00 | Ronin | i use it all the time petemc, once you get used to it its fine |
| 14:21.24 | nvz | cydork: how much is it gonna cost for you to write one :P |
| 14:21.31 | liable | bah, now its lost somewhere in the tubes |
| 14:21.38 | cydork | nvz: :) |
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| 14:22.21 | cydork | DawnLight: for what? check shorewall if your setup is simple or just use firestarter (though i hate it ) |
| 14:22.35 | DawnLight | before linux "frontend" used to have a much sexier meaning to me |
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| 14:22.42 | noark | Dell chooses Ubuntu. Is this a death knell for Debian? |
| 14:22.46 | liable | ah, its not so hard, its just fucking confusing :) |
| 14:22.54 | nvz | cydork: I already suggested using a shell and an editor |
| 14:24.11 | nvz | noark: blah |
| 14:24.11 | jelly-home | a full screen editor! |
| 14:24.11 | nvz | noark: go troll stupid unintersting news somewhere else |
| 14:24.12 | cydork | nvz: yeah i know i still think if he doesn't know the rules he should not touch iptables :P |
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| 14:24.12 | liable | hrm, but a c creates a new window in the first screen |
| 14:24.12 | Super_Ca1_Frog | hi - i was disconnected - can somebody have a look at my control file for a deb im trying to build: http://rafb.net/p/eZrbxx62.html - the error im getting is dpkg-checkbuilddeps: error: source paragraph in control info file is missing Source line |
| 14:24.12 | nvz | cydork: heh |
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| 14:24.12 | noark | nvz: it is stupid mfsob like you that will be the cause of debian's demise, if it ever happen. |
| 14:24.12 | nvz | liable: you're nuts change the damn esc char on one of those |
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| 14:24.18 | jelly-home | liable: what are you trying to do anyway? " ctrl-a a " sends ctrl-a down |
| 14:24.24 | cydork | noark: ubuntu is off-topic here. and this is a support channel. |
| 14:24.29 | liable | nvz: i like to drive myself crazy, its kinda a hobby of mine :) |
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| 14:24.35 | nvz | noark: haha.. you are dumb. do you even realize the group of people you are talking to? |
| 14:24.42 | xand | noark: no, ubuntu would cease to exist without debian :P |
| 14:24.43 | noark | cydork: STFU. |
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| 14:24.58 | nvz | noark: this isnt some secret debian decision making group here.. we are humble users supporting other users |
| 14:25.12 | noark | xand: any reason why ubuntu is chosen over debian by dell? |
| 14:25.20 | neocon | how can I change the default runlevel so that next time I boot the system X doesn't start automatically ? I edited /etc/inittab and changed from '2' to '3' but nothing happened really |
| 14:25.21 | formorer | money |
| 14:25.28 | formorer | neocon: you can't |
| 14:25.30 | xand | because it's n00b-friendly? |
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| 14:25.36 | formorer | neocon: debian does not control X via runlevel |
| 14:25.38 | abrotman | !nodm |
| 14:25.38 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 14:25.39 | xand | and it's backed by a commercial company |
| 14:25.42 | cydork | Super_Ca1_Frog: you need to read /msg dpkg nm guide |
| 14:25.42 | nvz | noark: and debian is the leading non-commercial distro out there and ubuntu is thriving on debian's progress but taking it in different directions, we dont care |
| 14:25.45 | liable | jelly-home: second box on the lan running ssh. i need to have screen running on it |
| 14:25.49 | neocon | formorer: what if I uninstall X ? |
| 14:25.50 | Yggdrasil | hello, can somone point me in the right direction regarding background images for my virtual terminals |
| 14:26.00 | formorer | neocon: then you don't have X anymore... |
| 14:26.07 | liable | jelly-home: and thus i need to run screen from within screen on the first box |
| 14:26.11 | jelly-home | liable: so change the escape character on one of the screens. |
| 14:26.26 | jelly-home | liable: screen -e^Bb |
| 14:26.27 | liable | jelly-home: cant be done otherwise? |
| 14:26.46 | abrotman | noark: please go ask Dell or #ubuntu .. this channel is not for discussion that topic |
| 14:26.48 | noark | nvz: after dell put ubuntu in its PCs, ubuntu will be the leading non-comm distro. |
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| 14:26.53 | nvz | noark: learn a thing or two about how the free world works, then learn about irc nettiquitte and come back. Read "Free For All" by Peter Wayner it'll get you all excited about the "big war" of software giants |
| 14:26.58 | jelly-home | liable: sure it can. Like I said, "ctrl-a a" sends ctrl-a to the app in screen |
| 14:26.59 | abrotman | noark: GO AWAY |
| 14:27.07 | cydork | nvz: stop feeding damn TROLL! |
| 14:27.30 | liable | jelly-home: ah, right, got it. ta |
| 14:27.34 | abrotman | discussing even :) |
| 14:27.49 | noark | you bunch of stupid MFSOBs, you are the reason why Dell chooses Ubuntu over Debian. |
| 14:27.49 | nvz | noark: we don't care. we're not a commercial distro and we dont want to be distributed with commercial pc's we have more important things to think about like supporting debian and telling idiots like you to get an education |
| 14:27.51 | abrotman | !ops noark OT |
| 14:27.51 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: abrotman complains about: noark OT |
| 14:28.01 | abrotman | and abusive |
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| 14:28.17 | jelly-home | !sg |
| 14:28.18 | dpkg | sg is Singapore -- don't tell me you didn't know that! |
| 14:28.30 | jelly-home | dpkg, I didn't ;-) |
| 14:28.31 | abrotman | !singlishsmite jelly-home |
| 14:28.31 | dpkg | jelly-home: Ah, shaddup lah. You all fart and no shit only. |
| 14:28.31 | liable | jelly-home: this should give me hours of tearing my hair out :) |
| 14:28.40 | RichiH | noark: please take it elsewhere :) |
| 14:28.41 | peterS | noark: tone it down |
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| 14:28.47 | noark | nvz: you don't know what you are talking about, you dumbass. |
| 14:28.52 | abrotman | oh come on |
| 14:28.58 | nvz | noark: bye |
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| 14:29.19 | jelly-home | allez'op! |
| 14:29.35 | liable | cheat! |
| 14:29.39 | humbolto | I had an autodetectable software raid. I had to move the 2 disks to a new system and ran into problems booting up. I thing the disks were switched. So I booted with a rescue cd. how can I verify now, which disk was which before? |
| 14:29.43 | humbolto | Is there a way? |
| 14:29.48 | RichiH | liable: iddqd, babey |
| 14:29.49 | neocon | I tried echo "false" > /etc/X11/default-display-manager and it worked :-) thanks guys |
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| 14:29.57 | dnanar | hi all ! |
| 14:30.07 | Ankman | hi |
| 14:30.15 | neocon | another thing, how can I make sshd start at boot ? |
| 14:30.15 | nvz | so whats the deal with dpkg not pulling up this "nvidia howto" factoid when the listkeys shows "nvidia howto, _default nvidia howto, #debian nvidia howto" .. ? |
| 14:30.45 | liable | !iddqd |
| 14:30.45 | liable | RichiH: explain yourself! |
| 14:30.45 | cydork | neocon: man update-rc.d |
| 14:30.45 | jelly-home | !literal nvidia howto |
| 14:30.45 | dpkg | "nvidia howto" is "<reply> see nvidia-howto" |
| 14:30.45 | peterS | liable: not something dpkg would know about, it's a cheat code for the original Doom game |
| 14:30.45 | jelly-home | haha |
| 14:30.46 | nvz | i've never seen all this stuff before.. there are countless entries with _default, #debian, #debian-bots |
| 14:30.46 | liable | oh |
| 14:30.46 | peterS | liable: turns on invulnerability |
| 14:30.52 | neocon | I've done update-rc.d ssh defaults 20 |
| 14:30.55 | liable | no wonder i dont get it |
| 14:31.10 | dnanar | i have a broken .zip archive on a cd (cd scratched). does anyone know a tool to extract what it can be extracted under linux please ? |
| 14:31.15 | peterS | so people used to refer to it as 'god mode' |
| 14:31.16 | RichiH | peterS: i thought it was noclip |
| 14:31.31 | jelly-home | nvz: apparently bot gets confused with recursive factoids |
| 14:31.37 | peterS | RichiH: pretty sure it was god mode. I haven't tried it in a very long time. noclip was idspispopd, I think |
| 14:31.42 | liable | time to see if i remembered all the right magic modules on my old box for a kernel compile |
| 14:31.48 | cydork | noclip was for walking thourgh walls? |
| 14:31.50 | nvz | jelly-home: no way, blootbot doesnt have bugs! |
| 14:31.51 | RichiH | peterS: wikipedia says god mode |
| 14:31.51 | peterS | yeah |
| 14:32.03 | jelly-home | dpkg, no, nvidia howto is <reply> see nvidia one-liner |
| 14:32.03 | dpkg | okay, jelly-home |
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| 14:32.59 | liable | grub still sucks ass on it for some reason.. |
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| 14:33.26 | nvz | grubs like to suck ass I guess |
| 14:33.27 | liable | looks like i didnt remember right.. |
| 14:33.32 | infester | wols: there? :) |
| 14:33.36 | jelly-home | liable: remember? what are .configs for? |
| 14:33.38 | infester | ols even |
| 14:33.41 | dnanar | anyone has an idea for my problem plse ? |
| 14:33.45 | dnanar | *please |
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| 14:33.47 | liable | jelly-home: i just reinstalled it |
| 14:33.54 | wols | infester: hopefully? |
| 14:34.10 | jelly-home | dnanar: copy what you can to disk, then run zip -FF on it. |
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| 14:34.36 | infester | wols: yoo! :) sry to bother you but just wanted to see if i got my stuff right... I cannot patch a kernel image right? So i cannot get bootsplash working without compiling my own kernel and patching from source? |
| 14:34.47 | jelly-home | infester: right |
| 14:34.50 | sgeigerbot | A little help woudl be nice: It's been a long time since I dealt with this. My PHP site is down (thanks to a problem with a PHP upgrade.) What do I need to do? (Apache is still working fine.) |
| 14:34.52 | irule | where can I download woody from? or, what is the exact file name? thanks! |
| 14:34.55 | infester | great, thanks |
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| 14:35.03 | carston | hey, you stupid bunch of kids, get off the chat, go home and suck your mums' tits, its dinner time. |
| 14:35.05 | jelly-home | irule: look at archive.debian.org |
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| 14:35.09 | wols | infester: pretty much |
| 14:35.09 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@cm116.omega146.maxonline.com.sg] by peterS |
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| 14:35.22 | sgeigerbot | (Help!) (See above) |
| 14:35.34 | infester | cus i remember you telling me i didn't need to compile my own from source before,, but in this case i do... jaja, thanks guys |
| 14:35.34 | irule | thanks jelly-home |
| 14:35.39 | jelly-home | peterS: hey! preemptive banning! |
| 14:35.51 | sgeigerbot | peterS: Could you give me a hand? |
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| 14:35.58 | peterS | jelly-home: not preemptive at all. I had my finger on that trigger, waiting to see if he was a singtard or a real person |
| 14:35.58 | liable | what was preemptive about it? |
| 14:36.12 | peterS | jelly-home: as expected, he was a singtard |
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| 14:36.16 | jelly-home | peterS: oh, I missed his line, sorry |
| 14:36.17 | wols | sgeigerbot: describe your problem a little more |
| 14:36.21 | wols | what error exactly |
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| 14:37.04 | irule | great, so woody is 2.2 or 2.1? |
| 14:37.04 | wols | peterS: good to see I'm not the only one with a prejudice against .sg :) |
| 14:37.04 | xoz_ | what's up with .sg? |
| 14:37.08 | zir0faive | seesh, i think i should stop using vim: my openoffice documents get full of :w commands |
| 14:37.09 | wols | irule: 3.0 |
| 14:37.11 | peterS | xoz_: I do not know. only that most people from there who join #debian seem to be morons who troll poorly |
| 14:37.11 | sgeigerbot | PHP pages are not getting parsed by PHP before Apache serves them. |
| 14:37.29 | jelly-home | sgeigerbot: a2enmod php5 (or php4)? |
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| 14:37.41 | xoz_ | peterS: ill be working in sg maybe next month. ill spy on this phenomenon :) |
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| 14:38.45 | peterS | xoz_: yeah, find out what it is about that country that causes everyone who wants to IRC on our channel to be stupid |
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| 14:39.07 | peterS | xoz_: with the exception of Phated, who never comes around here anymore anyway |
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| 14:39.19 | sgeigerbot | jelly-home: Cannot load /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so into server: /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 14:39.35 | xoz_ | peterS: yeah, whatever happened to her... |
| 14:40.04 | jelly-home | sgeigerbot: sounds like something is misinstalled or just missing, reinstall libapache2-mod-php5 ? |
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| 14:40.44 | jelly-home | sgeigerbot: or try ldd /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so to see if there's a required library missing |
| 14:40.44 | handon | abrotman, nvz, peterS: stupid MFSOBs, go home and fuck your mothers. they are all waiting for it. |
| 14:40.58 | Yggdrasil | they are not |
| 14:41.00 | Yggdrasil | liar |
| 14:41.07 | peterS | xoz_: definitely find that out, will you |
| 14:41.19 | joaozinho | debian ftw |
| 14:41.28 | joaozinho | ololol |
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| 14:42.09 | Yggdrasil | debain-linux perkinen |
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| 14:42.31 | abrotman | what the hell |
| 14:42.40 | joaozinho | abrotman: what your mouth |
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| 14:42.59 | xoz | peterS: ok. last time i was in sg, the place is relatively as peaceful as tokyo. i hope that these are just noisy minority.... is it possible, we are dealing with just one guy? |
| 14:43.05 | abrotman | joaozinho: my mouth is a small opening in my face |
| 14:43.17 | joaozinho | really? |
| 14:43.18 | GhoSt_DoG | Hi, when i install one program debian say: E: Impossivel encontrar o pacote subversion (impossobile find the packet subversion) what i need to do ? |
| 14:43.19 | peterS | xoz: I think it's more than one guy, maybe 5 guys, they seem to be 14 years old, with unusually small penises |
| 14:43.19 | neocon | when I apt-get install a program, how can I see where it was installed ? like the binaries |
| 14:43.22 | GhoSt_DoG | for working ? |
| 14:43.22 | abrotman | joaozinho: you asked "what" |
| 14:43.25 | jelly-home | another new one for me, what is pk? |
| 14:43.30 | joaozinho | lol forget it |
| 14:43.48 | peterS | jelly-home: pakistan, where else |
| 14:43.48 | joaozinho | jelly-home: pk means professional killer |
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| 14:44.04 | abrotman | xoz: the yough of .sg are a bunch of damn idiots |
| 14:44.07 | GhoSt_DoG | joaozinho .. joazinho.. porta-te bem ;) |
| 14:44.08 | abrotman | youth |
| 14:44.17 | cydork | neocon: mand dpkg look for -L |
| 14:44.22 | joaozinho | GhoSt_DoG: sorry i dont speak spanish |
| 14:44.24 | abrotman | xoz: we had a repeat troll from .sg here for a while |
| 14:44.25 | cydork | s/mand/man/ |
| 14:44.32 | neocon | cydork: ok thx |
| 14:44.48 | abrotman | jelly-home: pakistan? |
| 14:44.52 | xoz | peterS: indeed. considering that sg is one of the countries in asia with strict laws, they can be disciplined... will see when i get there. |
| 14:45.25 | xoz | abrotman: im just surprised because for no reasons, he just talked *shit* |
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| 14:46.09 | liable | !win me |
| 14:46.09 | dpkg | Congratulations, liable! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 14:46.20 | peterS | xoz: maybe they have to take out their aggression on irc since they aren't allowed to spit on sidewalks or whatever |
| 14:46.28 | abrotman | xoz: might very well be the same guy that caused problems before |
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| 14:46.42 | abrotman | !pt |
| 14:46.43 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 14:47.06 | joaozinho | hwo to safely remove IceWM and install Fluxbox instead ? |
| 14:47.22 | abrotman | install fluxbox first .. then uninstall icewm |
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| 14:47.45 | xoz | peterS: i think we are dealing with just a very small group. i hope the people there are ok because it will be my home for 3 years. |
| 14:47.46 | joaozinho | abrotman: how lol |
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| 14:48.07 | abrotman | joaozinho: with knoppix ? |
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| 14:48.13 | joaozinho | nope. |
| 14:48.16 | nvz | abrotman: heh |
| 14:48.25 | abrotman | odd .. hostmask is a lying son of a bitch |
| 14:48.33 | JosefAssad | knoppix takes a boot parameter to chane desktop IIRC |
| 14:48.40 | xoz | abrotman: i hope so. |
| 14:48.40 | JosefAssad | s/chane/change/ |
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| 14:48.53 | MementoMori | in which package can I find dpkg-scanpackages ? |
| 14:48.55 | suppaman | xox_ hi |
| 14:48.56 | abrotman | xoz: we could ask dkyu if they're all like that |
| 14:48.59 | peterS | MementoMori: that's in dpkg-dev I think |
| 14:49.00 | abrotman | !telll MementoMori about search |
| 14:49.11 | joaozinho | MementoMori: try apt-cache search dpkg-scanpackage |
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| 14:49.27 | abrotman | apt-file search ? |
| 14:49.28 | peterS | joaozinho: did you try it? |
| 14:49.40 | joaozinho | peterS: huh no |
| 14:49.47 | XLV | i have installed both ubuntu and debian on one machine, and i want to change the default operating system in grub, i have changed both menu.lst files on both installations, still it loads the first one. anyone knows how to fix it? |
| 14:49.48 | peterS | it won't find it |
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| 14:50.24 | billy-jo_ | is there any way to reinstall all package, like apt-get --reinstall install ... ? |
| 14:50.32 | abrotman | billy-jo_: are you missing a conf file ? |
| 14:50.36 | cydork | billy-jo_: why do you want to? |
| 14:50.43 | xoz | abrotman: i have no choice. will have to learn to live there no matter what. |
| 14:50.45 | abrotman | billy-jo_: oh .. all package s? |
| 14:50.48 | billy-jo_ | no, after reboot, files missing |
| 14:50.55 | abrotman | lost+found! |
| 14:51.04 | dkyu | abrotman, ? |
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| 14:51.20 | tech13 | I'm unable to get ssh to x11forward. on the local "ssh -X user@remote" connects, but doesn't give an error or set the DISPLAY variable. on the remote X11Forward is set to yes in /etc/ssh/sshd_config. what else should I check? |
| 14:51.24 | xoz | XLV: perhaps the grub you are changing is not the grub installed in MBR? |
| 14:51.26 | cydork | tech13: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 14:51.37 | jelly-home | billy-jo_: btw, which filesystem are you using? |
| 14:51.40 | peterS | tech13: needs to be X11Forwarding, not X11Forward |
| 14:51.43 | liable | hrm, e100 is not in newer kernels |
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| 14:51.58 | nvz | billy-jo_: non-volitile fixed storage shouldn't loose files on reboots.. i'd get to the bototm of that first |
| 14:52.11 | peterS | liable: it's in mine (2.6.20-1-k7) |
| 14:52.13 | jelly-home | liable: is here, in 2.6.20-1-686 |
| 14:52.30 | jelly-home | not sure about eepro100 though |
| 14:52.32 | joaozinho | 2.4.20-xfs here |
| 14:52.35 | joaozinho | hahaha |
| 14:52.43 | liable | not in wireless-dev |
| 14:52.45 | peterS | yes, eepro100 is still built as a module in 2.6.20 too |
| 14:52.51 | billy-jo_ | ext2 |
| 14:52.51 | XLV | xoz, i have changed both, is there some command i should enter after changing menu.lst? like update-grub or something? in some other installation with only one of each it wasnt needed though. |
| 14:53.06 | tech13 | cydork, thank you. I was missing xbase-client |
| 14:53.15 | joaozinho | pentium 233 64mb ram, im very happy |
| 14:53.28 | xoz | XLV: if you change both, then one of them should work without grub-install... but you can try. |
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| 14:54.04 | jelly-home | joaozinho: I guess that's ok if the machine isn't live on the internets |
| 14:54.19 | joaozinho | what do u mean |
| 14:54.27 | kanedaddy | no |
| 14:54.35 | peterS | please don't use the Dutch word "u" when you mean the English word "you" |
| 14:54.49 | joaozinho | what do u mean with dutch? |
| 14:55.03 | peterS | "u" is not an English word. so naturally, I assume you mean the Dutch word. |
| 14:55.19 | joaozinho | dutch = ? |
| 14:55.27 | peterS | if you aren't sure how to spell "you", you can cut and paste it from places where I'm using it |
| 14:55.38 | nvz | !dutch |
| 14:55.38 | dpkg | from memory, dutch is soome straangje laanguaage daat sussudio kjeeps spjeeaaking, or #debian.nl |
| 14:55.40 | cydork | what does "u" mean in dutch? :P |
| 14:55.47 | peterS | cydork: apparently it means "you" |
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| 14:56.15 | joaozinho | oh ok, dutch is a language, |
| 14:56.32 | sgeigerbot | jelly-home: I have already enabled php5 but the Apache server still isn't using PHP to process the page before sending the file to the client |
| 14:56.37 | xoz | the text messaging shortcut is terrible. it destroys grammar, spelling, etc. imagine, one college student submitted his thesis written in text messaging shortcuts. very awful! |
| 14:56.44 | liable | i think i am going crazy again |
| 14:57.10 | nvz | xoz: just now realized dutch is a language.. probably never graduated 6th grade |
| 14:57.19 | jelly-home | sgeigerbot: did you ldd the module? |
| 14:57.26 | xoz | nvz: hahe |
| 14:57.30 | liable | netconsole: device eth0 not up yet, forcing it <-- how does that work?? |
| 14:57.31 | sgeigerbot | jelly-home: it was simply not installed. |
| 14:57.35 | joaozinho | xoz: this is internet, and i am brazilian, im really bad talking in english since no one teached me |
| 14:57.41 | cydork | peterS: aah ok :) |
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| 14:57.57 | jelly-home | sgeigerbot: oh |
| 14:58.18 | xoz | joaozinho: you are ok because you try. others are good, but very lazy. |
| 14:58.25 | jelly-home | sgeigerbot: and after installing, enabling it and restarting apache it still does not work> |
| 14:58.29 | jelly-home | ? |
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| 14:59.01 | sgeigerbot | jelly-home: correct |
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| 14:59.10 | nvz | portosqueeze.. now there's a language for ya |
| 14:59.36 | nvz | !portugese |
| 14:59.36 | dpkg | Por favor, fale em ingles quando estiver no #Debian, assim todos poderão entender. Se você quiser usar um outro idioma, entre em #debian-rs. Para ser ajudado em portugues, use o canal #Debian-BR |
| 14:59.50 | nvz | na that wasn't it |
| 14:59.51 | sgeigerbot | peterS: I still have the PHP problem. Help! |
| 15:00.00 | peterS | sgeigerbot: why would I know anything about your problem? |
| 15:00.17 | nvz | I guess someone programmed the bot to be less ignorant |
| 15:00.21 | nvz | heh |
| 15:00.43 | sgeigerbot | nvz: a polite "fuck off" is in order here. My main server is down, and I don't deal with this often. |
| 15:00.50 | Hoxzer | does somebody here have suspend2 configured? |
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| 15:01.45 | peterS | sgeigerbot: apache modules don't spontaneously combust. presumably you did something to make it stop working. figure out what you did and undo it, I guess. |
| 15:02.03 | Dunedan | When I try to start aptitude it is consuming >95% of the cpu time, according to top for iowait and doesn't start up. Does somebody know this problem and knows how to get rid of it? |
| 15:02.06 | sgeigerbot | peterS: yes, I did apt-get install php-db |
| 15:02.08 | joaozinho | i have another question, is it possible to detect wich resolution, hor. and vert. rates my monitor support? |
| 15:02.14 | sgeigerbot | peterS: And a bunch of stuff was installed. |
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| 15:02.26 | nvz | joaozinho: your monitor? no |
| 15:02.30 | liable | boohoo, i think my ethernet card just shat itself |
| 15:02.42 | nvz | joaozinho: if your pc is that old chances are your monitor isnt plug and play :P |
| 15:02.51 | xoz | joaozinho: nowadays, monitor rates are very forgiving |
| 15:03.02 | joaozinho | this monitor is from 2004 |
| 15:03.15 | nvz | !read-edid |
| 15:03.16 | dpkg | it has been said that read-edid is hardware information-gathering tool for VESA PnP monitors |
| 15:03.21 | xoz | joaozinho: perhaps google for specs? |
| 15:03.27 | nvz | !sync |
| 15:03.27 | dpkg | for monitor sync ranges and refresh rates, see http://monitorworld.com/monitors_home.html |
| 15:03.37 | joaozinho | why? windows detects automatically all supported modes |
| 15:03.45 | jelly-home | joaozinho: 2004 is new enough |
| 15:03.46 | nvz | apt, person |
| 15:03.59 | apt | person is probably like a bot, but squishier, or a meat popscicle |
| 15:04.04 | stljim | Hi.. Is anyone here familiar with creating .deb packages? I'm having trouble getting postinst.debhelper script to work. When I install the new .deb package I need it to run update-rc, I need it to update logrotate.conf and I need it to run ldconfig. I'm sure the script code is good (I tested it) but it's not getting run when i 'dpkg -i' install the package. |
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| 15:04.40 | jelly-home | joaozinho: but it also depends on the graphic card I think |
| 15:04.43 | noorul | !etch |
| 15:04.43 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of debian stable |
| 15:04.55 | noorul | !install debian |
| 15:04.55 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 15:05.07 | nvz | stljim: nope, nobody is familiar with creating deb packages *hides the 20,000+ packages of etch floating around the internet* |
| 15:05.21 | sgeigerbot | jelly-home: Okay, the page seems to be getting processed with PHP now, but the HTTP header seems to be wrong: www.ncee.net |
| 15:05.32 | nvz | !dstats etch |
| 15:05.34 | jelly-home | joaozinho: eg. my 17" TFT was well detected with a Radeon 9200, but its properties were not detected at all with the newer Radeon xpress 200M |
| 15:05.39 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on etch... 18601 packages, 1728 maintainers, 41697 MB installed size, 13733 MB compressed size. |
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| 15:05.53 | stljim | nvz: Funny.. |
| 15:05.55 | nvz | hmm I guess etch was only around 18,000 |
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| 15:06.02 | nvz | !dstats sid |
| 15:06.09 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 20706 packages, 1829 maintainers, 48456 MB installed size, 16313 MB compressed size. |
| 15:06.28 | xoz | wow, 20000 and counting... |
| 15:06.36 | joaozinho | VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. 86c775/86c785 ]Trio 64V2/DX or /GX] (rev 16) |
| 15:06.44 | nvz | ha! hahaha |
| 15:06.48 | jelly-home | hmm, 48GB installed size. I wonder how much is actually possible to install |
| 15:07.15 | sgeigerbot | peterS: What do you make of this: It works fine in lynx but not in firefox. www.ncee.net |
| 15:07.24 | nvz | I throw S3 Trio's at the neighbors dog for shitting in my yard |
| 15:07.28 | nvz | fight shit with shit |
| 15:07.29 | joaozinho | jelly-home: actually it is 47.3GB, not 48 |
| 15:07.29 | jelly-home | joaozinho: eh, just forget it and manually edit the specs |
| 15:07.46 | joaozinho | meh, windows does it, linux should :> |
| 15:07.50 | stljim | Alright, well I guess I came to the right place for flippant comments and the to the wrong place for help |
| 15:07.52 | jelly-home | joaozinho: that's 47.3 GiB, mister! and 48.4GB :-) |
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| 15:08.03 | Fly-Man- | Evening all |
| 15:08.25 | Fly-Man- | How can I get a overview of all installed packages |
| 15:08.26 | peterS | sgeigerbot: dunno, seems to work with libwww-perl |
| 15:08.36 | Fly-Man- | and how to upgrade from php4 to php5 |
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| 15:08.43 | sgeigerbot | peterS: hmm. It seems I was reloading an old page. |
| 15:08.44 | Fly-Man- | running Apache 2.2 |
| 15:08.44 | jelly-home | sgeigerbot: looks fine in Opera |
| 15:08.57 | joaozinho | what is different between gibibytes and gigabytes? wth |
| 15:09.04 | cydork | Fly-Man-: what do you mean by overview? |
| 15:09.10 | sgeigerbot | jelly-home: okay, I think it's fix. Thanks for the help. |
| 15:09.15 | sgeigerbot | peterS: Thanks for the help. |
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| 15:09.21 | Fly-Man- | cydork, I think the standard installation |
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| 15:09.24 | Chris-NB | hi |
| 15:09.26 | nvz | stljim: maybe you should have posted your script somewhere and asked a better question than if _anyone_ had created a deb package |
| 15:09.26 | Fly-Man- | has installed php4.4 for me |
| 15:09.29 | Fly-Man- | and I need php 5 |
| 15:09.30 | peterS | joaozinho: gibibyte is a silly term some people use to mean 2^30 (1073741824) bytes, as opposed to 1000000000 bytes |
| 15:09.33 | sgeigerbot | nvz: Moo. :-) Sorry, man, you know I was stressing. |
| 15:10.10 | cydork | Fly-Man-: sarge? |
| 15:10.10 | peterS | joaozinho: most of us just say gigabyte for 1073741824, and we have no term for 1000000000 bytes |
| 15:10.10 | Fly-Man- | cydork, yup |
| 15:10.10 | cydork | Fly-Man-: backports.org should have php5 |
| 15:10.10 | Fly-Man- | cydork, I know bp |
| 15:10.11 | nvz | stljim: there is also a #debian on irc.debian.org fewer people but sometimes its easier to get help in smaller crowds |
| 15:10.11 | Chris-NB | how can I print the last 5 fileds of an input with awk, If I don't know how many fields the input contains? |
| 15:10.11 | Fly-Man- | but how to get the old php4.4 out |
| 15:10.12 | peterS | Fly-Man-: mainly a matter of installing libapache2-mod-php5 instead of libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 15:10.24 | Fly-Man- | more an apt person |
| 15:10.25 | Chris-NB | something like |awk '{print $3" "$4" " ...}' |
| 15:11.16 | joaozinho | omg, Err http://ftp.us.debian.org stable/main mp3blaster 1:3.2.3-3, 403 fobidden |
| 15:11.39 | joaozinho | apt says to run apt-get update, but it is already up2date |
| 15:11.41 | apt | joaozinho: what are you talking about? |
| 15:11.54 | nvz | apt: nevermind |
| 15:11.59 | jelly-home | stljim: stupid question, is the script executable? |
| 15:13.24 | jelly-home | joaozinho: I hope you're not trying to install stable packages on your woody-ish machine. |
| 15:13.56 | Fly-Man- | and is it possible to run php4 and php5 seperatly on 1 machine ? |
| 15:14.05 | joaozinho | jelly-home: that is exactly what im doing |
| 15:14.16 | joaozinho | im running dist-upgrade :> |
| 15:14.21 | jelly-home | joaozinho: you're in for a world of pain, then. |
| 15:14.44 | peterS | Fly-Man-: I assume so - but you'd have to configure apache to know which one to use for a given script. either by naming the scripts differently, or something |
| 15:14.50 | stljim | jelly-home: It seems postinst exists in <package>/DEBIAN/ and it is executable, but I wrote my script stuff in <package>.postinst.debhelper. |
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| 15:15.27 | peterS | Fly-Man-: but it may be that the php4 and php5 apache2 modules cannot both be enabled - it's not like I've ever tried this! |
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| 15:15.31 | jelly-home | joaozinho: you have to upgrade distro-releases one-by-one, not skipping all of them, so: woody -> sarge -> etch |
| 15:15.39 | JosefAssad | Chris-NB: try {print $NF, $(NF-1)} and so on |
| 15:16.00 | jelly-home | stljim: then it's in wrong place I guess |
| 15:16.12 | Fly-Man- | peterS, I know |
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| 15:17.20 | joaozinho | so, i have to change souces.list to woody instead of stable? if stable, it will download packages from etch? |
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| 15:17.22 | chops | joaozinho: Don't try to upgrade directly from woody to etch |
| 15:17.22 | cydork | Fly-Man-: it seems possible http://www.howtoforge.com/apache2_with_php5_and_php4 |
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| 15:17.22 | joaozinho | -_- |
| 15:17.22 | chops | joaozinho: First go to sarge, then etch |
| 15:17.22 | jelly-home | joaozinho: you'll need to upgrade to sarge first. |
| 15:17.22 | stljim | jelly-home: It looks like dh_installdeb is responsible for the postinst part. I wonder if I should include a command to copy what I want postinst to be in the rules files> |
| 15:17.25 | Fly-Man- | Cool :D |
| 15:17.28 | stljim | err rules file? |
| 15:17.43 | liable | hrm, e100 is nowhere to be seen :( |
| 15:17.49 | joaozinho | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/sarge stable main? |
| 15:17.50 | xoz | joaozinho: try to remove unnecessary packages so that upgrade will not take a long time |
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| 15:17.53 | liable | that makes life difficult |
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| 15:18.21 | jelly-home | joaozinho: no, something like deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian sarge main |
| 15:18.38 | joaozinho | oh right, thx |
| 15:18.40 | jelly-home | joaozinho: then read sarge release notes and don't just blindly dist-upgrade |
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| 15:19.42 | joaozinho | update-rc.d not found in PATH |
| 15:19.52 | jelly-home | stljim: if you have a ready postinst script, just put it in source as .../debian/postinst |
| 15:19.52 | joaozinho | dpkg error code 2 |
| 15:20.25 | jelly-home | stljim: debhelper should pick it up |
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| 15:22.04 | stljim | jelly-home: It looks like debhelper creates <package>.postinst.debhelper each time your run dpkg-buildpackage and my script code was over written. I've been reading the New Package Managers guild but this aspect doesn't seem to be covered very well. |
| 15:22.34 | stljim | err New Package Managers guidE |
| 15:22.48 | xoz | peterS: estena is trolling in irc.debian.org #debian |
| 15:23.06 | jelly-home | stljim: you build multiple package from a single source? |
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| 15:25.08 | stljim | jelly-home: no it's a single package |
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| 15:25.39 | Bleupomme | does anyone know how to use a pressed file with debconf to automate an installation of a package? |
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| 15:25.48 | Bleupomme | s/pressed/preseed |
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| 15:26.36 | krifur | hello , i try to compil a 2.6.16 kernel (i am actually running a 2.6.18.3) but eveytime i get this error:collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 15:26.44 | jelly-home | stljim: so don't use the package.postinst system, just name it "postinst" |
| 15:26.50 | joaozinho | i need to unpack a deb package, |
| 15:27.02 | krifur | then make[2]: *** [arch/i386/kernel/vsyscall-syms.o] Erreur 1 |
| 15:27.16 | jelly-home | stljim: TBH I'm not good with debhelper, only toyed around a bit with |
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| 15:27.44 | joaozinho | how should i proceed to unpack a .deb package using ar? |
| 15:27.49 | Bleupomme | joaozinho: use ar or dpkg-deb |
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| 15:28.18 | xoz | joaozinho: man ar |
| 15:28.23 | krifur | someone know where this error came from? |
| 15:29.23 | joaozinho | you guys helped me a lot |
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| 15:29.27 | joaozinho | im going for lunch now, bye hthx |
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| 15:31.11 | jelly-home | LUNCH! I knew I've been missing something |
| 15:31.31 | xeihin | guys how can I get the total use of cpu that a process its using? without top ... |
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| 15:31.58 | cydork | !tell stickybit` -about away |
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| 15:32.32 | cydork | xeihin: ps? |
| 15:33.04 | xeihin | shure |
| 15:33.14 | xeihin | now I can get the pid with ps |
| 15:33.22 | xeihin | using: ps -C python -o pid= |
| 15:33.28 | liable | whats wrong with top anyway? |
| 15:33.42 | peterS | pgrep was invented for just that sort of thing |
| 15:33.45 | xeihin | but I wanna get the cpu usage of a pid |
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| 15:33.51 | xeihin | nothing wrong with top |
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| 15:34.12 | xeihin | but I will use this with zabbix so I can't use top |
| 15:34.14 | peterS | though I think the name pgrep should have stayed with the utility now known as pcregrep. that would have been more useful to me. |
| 15:34.39 | peterS | (pcregrep is hard enough to type that I rarely use it, but if it were named pgrep I'd use it a lot more) |
| 15:34.50 | liable | alias! |
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| 15:34.58 | xeihin | I tryed this: ps -C python -o %C |
| 15:35.10 | xeihin | but it return the same value all the time and ... |
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| 15:35.24 | xeihin | well jeje can some one help me? |
| 15:35.38 | Overflow | 65% to debian |
| 15:35.44 | Overflow | hi all |
| 15:36.00 | Overflow | -=reinstalling debian=- |
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| 15:36.24 | Overflow | soon ill be needing your help |
| 15:36.35 | cydork | xeihin: ps -p 31718 -o pid,pcpu |
| 15:36.38 | Overflow | if thats ok.. ;) |
| 15:36.41 | stew | xeihin: /proc/$pid/stat would tell you, i'd think |
| 15:37.08 | xeihin | stat show a lot of numbers xD |
| 15:37.11 | cydork | xeihin: bahh s/31718/your pd/ :) |
| 15:37.15 | xeihin | without headers or something xD |
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| 15:37.25 | humbolto | I am having a weird problem with my RAID disks. |
| 15:37.38 | xeihin | tnks guys let me try and I will tell you in a few moments :P |
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| 15:39.12 | Overflow | guys what prog platform you recommend for developing gui apps for thy debian(gnome). |
| 15:39.36 | Overflow | c++ based.. |
| 15:39.58 | ehird` | gtkmm? |
| 15:40.02 | peterS | Overflow: eh, I'd just use glade, emacs, libgtk2-perl, libgtk2-gladexml-perl. it's not C++ based, it's more sane |
| 15:40.26 | Overflow | im a bit new at this so.. |
| 15:40.40 | humbolto | I moved the disks to another machine because the machine broke. They are SATA devices. Now on boot I get the message: md0 stopped; mdadm: cannot open device /dev/sda2; /dev/sda2 has wron uuid - and the same for sdb2 |
| 15:40.53 | humbolto | I have no clue what is going on. |
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| 15:41.39 | humbolto | Can this have something to do with initrd? |
| 15:41.39 | xeihin | guys ps -p 3869 -o pid,pcpu show 17% but top say 72, 30, 38, 53 ... |
| 15:41.47 | xeihin | and ps -p 3869 -o pid,pcpu allways show 17% |
| 15:42.10 | humbolto | Do I need initrd if I have a software RAID? |
| 15:42.12 | Overflow | i'm 2nd year comp science, my unix/linux project was to make a shell (bash like).. |
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| 15:42.21 | humbolto | boot is on a non RAID device |
| 15:42.24 | xoz | xeihin: because the time is dynamic... depends on specific microseconds when the value was computed |
| 15:42.27 | peterS | humbolto: yeah, for some reason the initrd has hard-coded the name sda2 and _also_ hard-coded the UUID. that doesn't make much sense to me, why would you do both - but anyway |
| 15:42.46 | xeihin | yes but ps -p 3869 -o pid,pcpu show 17% and 17% and 17% :P |
| 15:42.49 | peterS | Overflow: a shell doesn't require GUI components, so your question doesn't seem related....? |
| 15:42.50 | Overflow | finished it and now i want to make some gui stuf. |
| 15:42.54 | humbolto | peterS: so how can I get around that? |
| 15:42.57 | Overflow | i know i know |
| 15:43.08 | xoz | xeihin: then, dont believe it |
| 15:43.17 | xeihin | xD |
| 15:43.19 | xoz | xeihin: it should change due to time slice |
| 15:43.20 | rgsteele | Is it silly that I chuckle when I see: WARNING: drivers/net/sunhme.o - Section mismatch: reference to .init.text: from .text between 'happy_meal_pci_probe' (at offset 0x2778) and 'happy_meal_pci_remove' |
| 15:43.23 | humbolto | the UUID is the RAID UUID or the partition UUID? |
| 15:43.24 | xeihin | well |
| 15:43.31 | humbolto | And why does the UUID change? |
| 15:43.34 | xeihin | now how can I get the %CPU like top but con ps? |
| 15:43.41 | Overflow | if theres a tool paralel to MSvisual studio |
| 15:43.55 | liable | rgsteele: heh |
| 15:43.58 | rgsteele | xeihin: try hitting 'c' when you're in top |
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| 15:44.03 | humbolto | peterS: Nobody did rewrite the UUID or is it different on every machine? |
| 15:44.06 | peterS | rgsteele: well, happy meal is the code name for the hme, so.. yeah, the name is a bit funny. the sun Big Mac ethernet chip likewise |
| 15:44.07 | liable | htop ftw |
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| 15:44.26 | peterS | humbolto: I'm guessing it found a different disk to call sda |
| 15:44.27 | rgsteele | liable: Silly pointy-clicky things ;-D |
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| 15:44.45 | liable | rgsteele: pointy clicky? |
| 15:45.08 | Supaplex | my dog has a gui, he just points and drools. no clicking. |
| 15:45.14 | xoz | xeihin: top -ocpu -FR -l2 -n20 |
| 15:45.15 | xeihin | this is the c in top output : |
| 15:45.15 | xeihin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:46.06 | rgsteele | liable: Yup. In htop, I can click on the text at the bottom to change the view. |
| 15:46.09 | xeihin | xoz top -ocpu -FR -l2 -n20 don't work it sayd top: unknown argument 'o' |
| 15:46.11 | humbolto | peterS: but when I boot from a bootable CD, sda is sda! |
| 15:46.12 | Medulla | Pons: you're my bridge. |
| 15:46.24 | Pons | yeah! |
| 15:46.31 | peterS | Overflow: all I can say is what I would do (indeed, what I did): learn perl, then use libgtk2-perl and libgtk2-gladexml-perl to build your apps. I use emacs and glade as my IDEs |
| 15:46.52 | Overflow | ok mate |
| 15:46.53 | xoz | xeihin: what about top -l2 -n20? |
| 15:46.57 | Overflow | ill try it |
| 15:46.59 | Overflow | thx |
| 15:47.07 | peterS | I have no experience with gtk-- (the C++ bindings for Gtk), maybe it's usable too |
| 15:47.09 | Overflow | dont go i have some more questions |
| 15:47.10 | xeihin | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:47.20 | Overflow | ohh |
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| 15:47.40 | liable | rgsteele: ncurses based is hardly pointy clicky |
| 15:47.40 | Overflow | ill do waht i always do,, try and error |
| 15:47.43 | Overflow | :) |
| 15:48.03 | peterS | liable: sure it is, assuming you enable the ncurses mouse interface |
| 15:48.05 | Overflow | more error than success.. lol |
| 15:48.14 | humbolto | Can I use the RAIDs UUID instead of /dev/md0 in grub? |
| 15:48.21 | xeihin | well how can I get the %CPU of a process without top? |
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| 15:48.39 | liable | peterS: not in the usual sense of it |
| 15:48.57 | peterS | liable: why not? pointy clicky just implies using a mouse to point at things and click on them |
| 15:49.30 | peterS | ncurses with its libgpm support would seem to qualify for that definition. run aumix in an xterm for instance, it supports pointy clicky just fine |
| 15:49.31 | rgsteele | liable: Yeah, I know :) |
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| 15:51.00 | liable | peterS: yes but in the normal sense of the term, you cant use a gui interface without a mouse whereas ncurses you can |
| 15:51.39 | peterS | liable: also not true. keyboard shortcuts for GUI apps were invented ... I dunno, 20 years ago? ... and GUI apps have been allowing them ever since |
| 15:51.49 | Overflow | my god i love my debian |
| 15:51.52 | peterS | some better than others, to be sure |
| 15:52.02 | xeihin | can some one help me to get the %CPU of a PID? |
| 15:52.20 | liable | i knew i should'nt have bothered with an argument i would never win by what i was defining |
| 15:52.26 | maddash | xeihin: ps aux |
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| 15:53.01 | humbolto | So what can I do to fix may RAID? |
| 15:53.13 | Appiah | what did you do to it humbolto ? |
| 15:53.24 | Overflow | lol my debian thinks my intelPRO/wireless is eth.. |
| 15:53.33 | stew | Overflow: that's normal |
| 15:53.35 | xeihin | ps aux show that the process 3869 its ussing 17% and 17% and 17% all the time, top say that its ussing 40%, 38%, 55%, 32% ... |
| 15:53.41 | Appiah | Overflow: eeeh whats wrong with that? |
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| 15:53.47 | peterS | xeihin: maybe top -n1 -p$pid | awk...? |
| 15:53.55 | Appiah | Overflow: usally ethX and wlanX |
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| 15:54.00 | Overflow | he doesnt scan.. |
| 15:54.01 | Overflow | lol |
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| 15:54.17 | Overflow | happend before |
| 15:54.24 | liable | Overflow: udev does that |
| 15:54.27 | Overflow | need to build it.. |
| 15:54.28 | cydork | xeihin: with ps CPU usage is currently expressed as the percentage of time spent running during the entire lifetime of a process. from the man page |
| 15:54.31 | stew | liable: no, the driver does that |
| 15:54.39 | humbolto | Appiah: move it to a new system. Have you been around long enough to see my initial problem report or should I repeat it? |
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| 15:54.52 | Appiah | dont repeat |
| 15:54.58 | peterS | xeihin: oh yeah, you probably want -b as well |
| 15:55.02 | xeihin | oks I wanna get the %CPU that top its showing |
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| 15:55.59 | Overflow | ive started a fresh debian now, can i configue the PRO/Wireless from eth device to wireless without installing ieee and IPW2200? |
| 15:56.07 | torrr | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:56.36 | xand | spamassassin |
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| 15:57.07 | jelly-home | "good"? |
| 15:57.12 | stew | Overflow: yes, those are part of the debian kernel. you will have to get the firmware from ipw2200.sf.net and put it into /lib/firmware though. the firmware is non-free and not distributable by debian |
| 15:57.16 | xeihin | can some one help me to get the %CPU of a PID? |
| 15:57.23 | stew | xeihin: ps -o%cpu pid |
| 15:57.24 | peterS | xeihin: I told you already what to do |
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| 15:57.44 | jelly-home | torrr: I hear crm114 is very nice if you care to teach it. |
| 15:57.54 | Overflow | yeah that i know, so all i need is to put the fw files there?? |
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| 15:58.08 | xeihin | trying ... |
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| 15:58.16 | stew | oh, that's already been covered |
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| 15:58.46 | humbolto | Appiah: any idea? Can I change the initrd by hand somehow? |
| 15:58.48 | torrr | jelly-home, do you know a white list based program? |
| 15:58.51 | Overflow | niiice ill try |
| 15:58.54 | Overflow | brb |
| 15:58.56 | Appiah | no ideas on moved raids sorry |
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| 15:59.17 | Appiah | I would have to be onsite and look at everything and dig deeply |
| 15:59.24 | xeihin | I tryed ps -o%cpu 3869 10 times but it show 18.1 ... |
| 15:59.28 | Appiah | and now im a bit short on time too |
| 15:59.36 | xeihin | in top 3869 its changing from 40% to 50% ... |
| 15:59.50 | jelly-home | torrr: pretty much all antispam solutions have black- and whitelists these days |
| 15:59.57 | humbolto | Appiah: Why is it not able to find sda2 anyhow? I have no problem assembling the array when I boot from a CD! |
| 15:59.57 | stew | xeihin: if you want the output of top, use top then, the -n1 would make it print once and stop |
| 16:00.19 | Appiah | proper modules loaded humbolto ? |
| 16:00.23 | Appiah | oh wait |
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| 16:00.30 | stew | xeihin: or use /proc/$PID/stat and /proc/stat to calculate it yourself, but you'd have to look up the format of those files |
| 16:00.35 | jelly-home | torrr: are you looking to protect a single user, a machine, an MX server? |
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| 16:00.53 | torrr | jelly-home, a server |
| 16:01.04 | Appiah | I have an idea |
| 16:01.11 | xeihin | isra@www:~$ top -nl |
| 16:01.11 | xeihin | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:01.13 | jelly-home | torrr: which MTA? |
| 16:01.54 | torrr | jelly-home, currently I have apache james. but I am willing to switch to something else... any recomendation? |
| 16:02.04 | Appiah | baah |
| 16:02.10 | Appiah | I need a linux box to check |
| 16:02.14 | stew | xeihin: it takes a number -n1 |
| 16:02.20 | Appiah | hold on |
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| 16:02.23 | stew | xeihin: you'll prbably want -p $pid |
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| 16:02.31 | jelly-home | torrr: dunno, postfix + amavisd-new (+ spamassassin) works here |
| 16:02.48 | humbolto | Appiah: it is a root raid, so I can't load modules for md0 to be mounted. But the proper modules should be in initrd. |
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| 16:04.26 | humbolto | will try to check /etc/mkinitrd/mkinitrd.conf |
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| 16:07.06 | xeihin | how can I get the sampling time of a pid without top? |
| 16:07.30 | peterS | what do you mean by sampling time? |
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| 16:08.48 | lu-bao | modprobe -v fglrx gave me following out: insmod /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-k7/misc/fglrx.ko [fglrx] Maximum main memory to use for locked dma buffers: 1899MBytes. [fglrx:firegl_init_module] *ERROR* firegl_stub_register failed FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-k7/misc/fglrx.ko): Operation not permitted after this and a few seconds i get a black screen with a black X mousecursor but nothing other comes up |
| 16:09.30 | irule | how can I create a boot disk from my sarge? it is compiled with dell raid so no regular floppy works for me |
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| 16:11.20 | apol | hi! could anybody tell me why sid wants to delete my kde when dist-upgrading? :S |
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| 16:11.48 | lu-bao | apol yeah cause its unstable :) |
| 16:12.08 | apol | but unstable means unusable? I need my kde! :) |
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| 16:12.28 | lu-bao | apol unstable = usable with alot of problems *g* |
| 16:12.44 | apol | is there any way to do it without installing the testing one? |
| 16:12.52 | Skaag | how can I increase the size of my ramdrive /dev/ram0 from 8mb to 32mb? |
| 16:12.54 | stew | apol: are you using aptitude or apt-get or what? you should be using aptitude. you can put packages on hold which are not upgradable |
| 16:12.56 | Skaag | without rebooting? |
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| 16:13.19 | lu-bao | stew can you help me with this module problem ? |
| 16:13.23 | apol | stew: I am using aptitude but i'm not doing any strange trick |
| 16:14.10 | stew | lu-bao: sorry, no |
| 16:14.29 | Overflow | how do i disable the DHCPDISCOVER on startup? |
| 16:14.45 | Overflow | oh my god stew you are KING |
| 16:14.52 | Overflow | just FirmWare |
| 16:14.54 | stew | Overflow: remove "auto xxxx" for that interface from /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:14.54 | Overflow | lololl |
| 16:15.04 | aadil | heh |
| 16:15.06 | stew | Overflow: or switch it from dhcp to static in the same file |
| 16:15.21 | Overflow | ok |
| 16:15.26 | Overflow | will do |
| 16:15.28 | Overflow | thx |
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| 16:16.23 | Overflow | lol reguarding the intel/pro thx it was FW copy paste, i always followed the full install.. very easy now |
| 16:16.30 | Overflow | thanks again |
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| 16:18.54 | combotfighter | can anybody tell me how to find out the directory openvpn is installed to? |
| 16:19.04 | combotfighter | (running) |
| 16:19.18 | apol | anybody has kde in sid (working)? |
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| 16:19.29 | cydork | combotfighter: dpkg -L openvpn |
| 16:19.30 | stew | combotfighter: dpkg -L openvpn |
| 16:19.47 | cydork | apol: check bts? |
| 16:20.00 | apol | what is bts? |
| 16:20.08 | cydork | !btssmite apol |
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| 16:20.27 | combotfighter | stew, and how can i found out where it loads its config from? |
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| 16:21.05 | stew | combotfighter: /etc/openvpn/*conf |
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| 16:21.28 | combotfighter | Yes i know but is there any Posibility to make this sure? |
| 16:21.43 | combotfighter | that it really loads the file? |
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| 16:22.26 | stew | combotfighter: strace -f -o /tmp/openvpn.strace /etc/init.d/openvpn restart ; the grep open /tmp/openvpn.strace ; or post that file somewhere that we can see it |
| 16:23.39 | stew | combotfighter: or you might try running bash -x /etc/init.d/openvpn start |
| 16:24.40 | edju | compiling the kernel, 2.6.18-4-k7. dwnloaded linux-source-2.6.18.tar.bz2, untarred it in /usr/src/, copied and renamed config-blah to .config, ran make menuconfig and got a screenful of error msgs. ??? |
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| 16:26.18 | combotfighter | stew: http://paste.debian.net/27546 |
| 16:26.29 | combotfighter | it is loaded, isn't it? |
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| 16:27.02 | stew | combotfighter: well that shows you that its definately looking at your config file |
| 16:27.22 | combotfighter | good work, thank you |
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| 16:27.51 | stew | combotfighter: if its not starting, the rest of the /tmp/openvpn.strace should have clues as to why |
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| 16:28.44 | combotfighter | stew: it works fine now :-) |
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| 16:29.03 | DawnLight | i what file did pppoeconfig put the command "pon" to run at bootup? |
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| 16:29.55 | DawnLight | or is it pppoeconf |
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| 16:32.22 | S4nD3r | just a question, which software do you recommend to use to resize my windows partition, Im using etch box! |
| 16:32.48 | aadil | gparted? |
| 16:33.17 | torrr | anyone knows a good challenge responce email verification system? |
| 16:33.21 | humbolto | the kernel modules are part of the kernel-image package, are they? |
| 16:33.41 | maxdoubt | could i get an example of mac filtering by vendor id in dhcpd.conf? |
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| 16:34.08 | S4nD3r | Its easy to use ? aadil |
| 16:34.16 | xand | torrr: no, they're a stupid idea |
| 16:34.22 | xand | torrr: they just create more spam |
| 16:34.25 | sepski | torrr, i think thats a contradiction |
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| 16:34.44 | torrr | xand: I think thats just what the spammers want you to think |
| 16:34.44 | humbolto | when I do update-initrd 2.6.8-3-686 it tells me /usr/sbin/update-initrd: could not find any kernel modules in /lib/modules/2.6.8-3-686 |
| 16:34.45 | aadil | S4nD3r, i dont know |
| 16:34.47 | DawnLight | i what file did pppoeconf put the command "pon" to run at bootup? |
| 16:34.47 | shwag | !ubuntu |
| 16:34.47 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 16:34.54 | xand | torrr: BS |
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| 16:35.19 | xand | torrr: you're generating an extra (spam) message for every one you receive |
| 16:35.25 | torrr | xand, I read a "why CR is bad" web site, and the writer seem to be biased |
| 16:35.34 | xand | torrr: also, what happens if two people are using such a system? you'd never get any mail |
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| 16:35.40 | yeonhoo | hi |
| 16:35.55 | xand | torrr: and would create a loop |
| 16:36.00 | torrr | xand, you don't understand the subject too. |
| 16:36.15 | xand | too what? |
| 16:36.17 | xand | explain then |
| 16:36.21 | yeonhoo | question : im trying to open program or install but system says that the file system is only to read |
| 16:36.34 | yeonhoo | whats happen to computer? |
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| 16:36.46 | torrr | xand, if you send someone an email, then your cr system automatically adds him to your whitelist |
| 16:36.46 | Szeraax | is it ntfs fs? |
| 16:36.52 | yeonhoo | not |
| 16:36.55 | DawnLight | which files have commands to run at bootup? |
| 16:36.56 | yeonhoo | not ntfs |
| 16:37.02 | torrr | xand, and so if he has cr too, you will get his verification note |
| 16:37.05 | Szeraax | ext3? |
| 16:37.07 | humbolto | how can I update the initrd-s for all kernels installed? |
| 16:37.11 | torrr | xand, very simple |
| 16:37.13 | yeonhoo | i think is ext3 |
| 16:37.34 | h3sp4wn | humbolto: update-initramfs -k all -u |
| 16:37.36 | xand | torrr: fine, but it still generates loads of spam for other people |
| 16:37.37 | Szeraax | does your fstab mount it as read only? or can you write files in that same dir? |
| 16:37.42 | stew | DawnLight: /etc/rcS.d/S* and /etc/rc2.d/S* are symlinks to startup files |
| 16:37.51 | sepski | torrr, it's a pain in the ass. use with CR recives spam, he sends a mail to a faked up user (1 extra useless mail) it wont be delivered becouse it's a fake address and must be bounced (2 extra userless mail) one can only hope that the user have whitlisted postmaster. if he did not it'd would loop and generate yet another mail. and in any case make trouble for postmaster. |
| 16:37.53 | torrr | xand, not if they have cr too |
| 16:37.58 | xand | torrr: in case you didn't know, spam is generally sent with other people's email addresses... they'll get billions of bounces |
| 16:37.59 | yeonhoo | Szeraax, im linux starter |
| 16:38.05 | Szeraax | yeonhoo: ok |
| 16:38.07 | xand | torrr: why should they have to use it just to stop your crap? |
| 16:38.11 | xand | torrr: you become a spammer |
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| 16:38.29 | Overflow | ppl what irc prog to use?? |
| 16:38.31 | sepski | so the mailques on the servers fill with useless confirm requests and the bounces |
| 16:38.31 | S4nD3r | gparted is fantastic |
| 16:38.34 | yeonhoo | Szeraax, could you please speak easly? |
| 16:38.40 | Szeraax | i will |
| 16:38.52 | sepski | i just blacklists people that use CR systems since they obviously dont want any mail |
| 16:38.55 | yeonhoo | Szeraax, im trying to install some program |
| 16:38.59 | torrr | xand, I don't think so |
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| 16:39.11 | Szeraax | yeonhoo: are you in a console or in a graphical part? |
| 16:39.18 | xand | torrr: you'll be generating as much spam as you receive |
| 16:39.27 | Overflow | guys, can you recommend a good irc client for my new debian? |
| 16:39.31 | S4nD3r | I have another question, lol |
| 16:39.33 | torrr | sepski, It sounds like you are sorry for making the machines work for you |
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| 16:39.40 | yeonhoo | but is says var/lib/dpkg/lock |
| 16:39.41 | xand | when other C-R systems receive your spam, they'll generate even more |
| 16:39.52 | yeonhoo | Szeraax, im in graphical part |
| 16:39.58 | Overflow | •stew• thx again... |
| 16:40.02 | sepski | torrr, the postmaster have to manualy remove the mails that are stuck in que. you can't automagicaly remove them in case there was a important mail there |
| 16:40.03 | S4nD3r | Is possible to use a ISO file that is a setup installing software for windows ??? How? |
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| 16:40.12 | Overflow | guys, can you recommend a good irc client for my new debian? |
| 16:40.19 | Szeraax | what is the exact error it gives you, yeonhoo? |
| 16:40.21 | yeonhoo | Szeraax, for now im using other computer that run correctly.. |
| 16:40.22 | xand | Overflow: irssi |
| 16:40.23 | sepski | torrr, CR systems generate a shitload of problems for the mail server admins. |
| 16:40.27 | Overflow | k |
| 16:40.29 | Overflow | thx |
| 16:40.47 | torrr | sepski, spam cause problem for all the rest |
| 16:40.53 | xand | torrr: and you make it worse |
| 16:40.55 | sepski | torrr, spam is just 1 mail. |
| 16:40.59 | Ronin | better spam then taht cr crap |
| 16:41.06 | sepski | with a CR mail and the bounce thats 3 mails for each spam |
| 16:41.08 | Szeraax | yeonhoo: you are trying to install a prog, or just write a file to a hard drive, right? |
| 16:41.09 | yeonhoo | Szeraax, when im trying to install using aptitude install name it says i didnt lock the file /var/lib/dpkg/lock |
| 16:41.13 | sepski | and that's assuming it dont loop |
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| 16:41.26 | cactusbin | hello |
| 16:41.29 | Szeraax | that you didnt lock it, or that it is locked? |
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| 16:41.38 | yeonhoo | Szeraax, i didnt lock the file |
| 16:41.53 | yeonhoo | Szeraax, yesterday it was running without problem |
| 16:41.58 | Szeraax | wierd. what are you trying to get? |
| 16:42.01 | yeonhoo | Szeraax, i dont know what happend ..hum |
| 16:42.10 | xand | we have a policy here of advising people not to respond to CR email, as they can be used to harvest addresses |
| 16:42.15 | Szeraax | or rather, have you dont a full reboot and tried again? |
| 16:42.33 | Szeraax | i know that's dumb, but it really does work a lot of times |
| 16:42.49 | torrr | sepski, I don'st see how a wrong address email is a problem |
| 16:42.50 | cactusbin | I just installed debain etch. I have a wired connection to the router, but it doesn't connect to it at all! I know the router works because I'm using the wireless for this computer |
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| 16:43.03 | sepski | torrr, are you administrating mail servers ? |
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| 16:43.13 | torrr | sepski, yes |
| 16:43.18 | Szeraax | cactusbin: do you have dhclient installed? |
| 16:43.26 | sepski | so you must have experienced backscatter spam ? |
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| 16:43.38 | torrr | sepski, ? |
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| 16:43.41 | tarzeau | abrotman: still at werk? |
| 16:43.53 | humbolto | I think I found the source of my RAID problem. |
| 16:43.55 | xand | torrr: you realise that most of the CR mail sent from your system will go to innocent people; why should they get spammed just because you are? |
| 16:43.57 | torrr | sepski, for me bad address go to an error folder |
| 16:44.29 | torrr | xand, why would it get to innocent people |
| 16:44.34 | humbolto | man mdadm says for the -u UUID option found in the initrd md script: uuid of array to assemble. Devices which don't have this uuid are excluded |
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| 16:44.50 | xand | torrr: I already said. spam is sent using fake From: addresses. |
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| 16:45.09 | xand | so the CR message will go to an innocent third party, not the spammer |
| 16:45.14 | torrr | xand, fake From is not a real address |
| 16:45.17 | xand | therefore you're creating spam |
| 16:45.19 | xand | torrr: bs |
| 16:45.21 | humbolto | well, the UUID of the RAID is not the same as the UUID of the devices sda2 and sdb2! |
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| 16:45.28 | sepski | torrr, for me i reject it so i dont queue it at all, but it wastes huge amounts of bandwith that i am payting for |
| 16:45.34 | purpleh | hi all, anyone had that problem before ? battery meter always says that the battery is fully charged, even if it isnt - and doesn't charge the battery |
| 16:45.36 | cactusbin | sorry |
| 16:45.44 | humbolto | should this be like that or it this an error of some sort? |
| 16:45.47 | cactusbin | its working now, my router was blocking IDENT for some reason |
| 16:45.52 | xand | torrr: at work we get tonnes of users complaining about messages like that... the From: addresses are often real |
| 16:45.54 | torrr | sepski, for my system it would be grate |
| 16:45.56 | Szeraax | cactusbin: tis fine |
| 16:46.07 | sepski | torrr, then you can implement it, and we can blacklist you. everyone happy :) |
| 16:46.10 | Szeraax | cactusbin: so you are having no prob no? |
| 16:46.26 | Szeraax | now*? |
| 16:46.41 | torrr | xand, then put a cr on your system and they will never get this unless they have originated the email |
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| 16:47.04 | cactusbin | Sz: nope |
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| 16:47.18 | xand | torrr: what, so we can get blacklisted for SPAMMING?> |
| 16:47.29 | cactusbin | but I am wondering which is better for an apache2 server: ReiserFS or ext3 (or one of ther other ones) |
| 16:47.34 | sepski | torrr, altho i only have 5-600 domains on my mailserver i still get a few periods of backscatter a month. |
| 16:47.55 | sepski | cactusbin, ext3! |
| 16:47.59 | sepski | !reiserfs |
| 16:47.59 | dpkg | i heard reiserfs is a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See ext3, xfs, or jfs for safer filesystems. like the Dharma Initiative: government-sponsered, highly scientific and secretive. |
| 16:48.00 | cactusbin | really? |
| 16:48.16 | sepski | !ext3 |
| 16:48.16 | dpkg | methinks ext3 is the One True Filesystem. If you have to ask what filesystem you should be using, use ext3. Ask me about "ext2->ext3", "xfs" and "ricerfs". |
| 16:48.24 | xand | torrr: read http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Rants/challenge-response.html |
| 16:48.26 | tarzeau | does someone know what "julfisk o brodmies" means? |
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| 16:48.45 | cactusbin | well I installed ReiserFS since I have alot of small css files |
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| 16:49.01 | sepski | cactusbin, make sure you have good backups |
| 16:49.13 | HostilePenguin | i installed reiserfs because i thought it was the thing to do |
| 16:49.14 | sepski | cactusbin, maks sure you have a ups that shutdown when powergoes |
| 16:49.16 | HostilePenguin | damn it |
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| 16:49.48 | sepski | cactusbin, and keep long history for your backups |
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| 16:51.35 | itchi | Hi, i have some troubles on a computer with my hdd or the controller. After some (random) time the computer lock himself and the light of the hdd stay on. How can i debug this trouble? It's a brand new hdd btw, the previous have die a very few ago |
| 16:51.52 | sepski | xand, actualy a dns BL for domains that use CR would be convinient. :) |
| 16:51.53 | tarzeau | itchi: run badblocks on it? |
| 16:52.06 | xand | sepski: yeah |
| 16:52.10 | humbolto | The UUIDs of the partitions in a RAID and the RAID itself should be the same, right?! |
| 16:52.19 | itchi | tarzeau: I gona look for that now |
| 16:52.37 | DawnLight | i what file did pppoeconf put the command "pon" to run at bootup? |
| 16:53.01 | bzed | humbolto: no, you'll see that if you ahve a look into /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf |
| 16:53.23 | tarzeau | haha this is really funny http://bbspot.com/News/2000/4/linux_distros.html |
| 16:53.55 | xand | torrr: why don't you just setup spamassassin properly instead |
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| 16:54.45 | torrr | xand, because I think cr is better |
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| 16:54.56 | xand | torrr: I think you're very wrong |
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| 16:55.11 | torrr | xand, we shall see |
| 16:55.19 | itchi | Sorry, it have again lock up. A bit faster now, that may be some sad news i guess :-( |
| 16:55.27 | torrr | xand, being wrong is the way to learn |
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| 16:55.41 | itchi | tarzeau: Did i miss somethings after you msg of the badblocks? |
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| 16:55.48 | Ronin | well not exactly torrr but whatever works |
| 16:56.06 | itchi | I'm running irssi on the laptop, in awaiting ... |
| 16:56.44 | itchi | Anyway, i have heard a little noise, a feeling that my hdd was shut down, before my computer have hang |
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| 16:56.54 | xand | torrr: fine |
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| 16:57.12 | tarzeau | itchi: no |
| 16:57.37 | itchi | tarzeau: I did a apt-cache search badblocks on my main computer and that have lock him :-( |
| 16:58.10 | itchi | tarzeau: It's now the 4 time it happend |
| 16:58.37 | tarzeau | itchi: badblocks is a command you already have, just run it as root with the right options |
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| 16:59.04 | itchi | tarzeau: I'm looking in the docs right now, before i power on my main computer |
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| 16:59.19 | Overflow2 | help "debian" channel does not exist in my linux irc |
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| 16:59.52 | Octopssy | how can I alter my max bash_history logging? |
| 16:59.52 | rcbarnes | Where on *EARTH* is mencoder? It doesn't come with mplayer, apparently, and apt-cache search mencoder returns nothing. |
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| 17:00.41 | itchi | rcbarnes: Have you been the multimedia repo? |
| 17:00.51 | Overflow2 | help "debian" channel does not exist in my linux irc.. |
| 17:00.55 | stew | rcbarnes: its not in debian and never has been. it cannot be distributed by debian because it contains code covered by patents |
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| 17:01.10 | rcbarnes | stew: I see. |
| 17:01.16 | penguin | Does anyone here know where Vista puts the stinking Bootmgr so I can dual boot with Debian? |
| 17:01.20 | rcbarnes | itchi: where's the multimedia repo? |
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| 17:03.53 | Overflow2 | guys, why #debian does not exist in my linux? |
| 17:03.53 | itchi | rcbarnes: http://debian-multimedia.org |
| 17:03.53 | Overflow2 | help.. |
| 17:03.53 | itchi | rcbarnes: You want somethings like: deb http://debian-multimedia.org stable main |
| 17:03.54 | abrotman | tarzeau: duh |
| 17:03.54 | infester | Overflow2: eh? |
| 17:03.54 | MindCr | Overflow2, sure you connect to other server |
| 17:04.05 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm playin' the mana world... |
| 17:04.05 | abrotman | hehe |
| 17:04.17 | Overflow2 | conected to kubrick.freenode.net |
| 17:04.36 | xeihin | guys I have this string 3869 isra 15 0 346m 298m 3948 S 33.8 3.7 142:00.51 python and I wanna get only the 33.8, how can I do it with cut? |
| 17:04.38 | infester | Overflow2: you are in #debian now? |
| 17:04.51 | Overflow2 | win box calvino.free.... linux box kubrick.free.... |
| 17:05.04 | rcbarnes | Thanks itchi, I got it now. |
| 17:05.05 | Overflow2 | funny |
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| 17:05.07 | Overflow2 | lol |
| 17:05.12 | infester | oh ;o |
| 17:05.23 | infester | maybe there is a netsplit... doubt it though XD |
| 17:05.41 | infester | 18:51 >>>> Netsplit anthony.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: |
| 17:05.44 | stew | xeihin: use awk or cut |
| 17:05.49 | infester | there you'll go Overflow2 |
| 17:06.00 | tarzeau | abrotman: and it's not that nice :( |
| 17:06.01 | xeihin | the easy way? awk or cut? |
| 17:06.12 | stew | xeihin: yes |
| 17:06.24 | Overflow2 | funny stuff, i need some alsa help, but i need to get in debian chan from linux. |
| 17:06.48 | Ronin | Overflow2: so start a linux irc client and /join #debian ? |
| 17:06.56 | Overflow2 | yup |
| 17:07.30 | Odinn | !dpkg i love you! |
| 17:07.38 | Odinn | O_O |
| 17:07.43 | Odinn | is he dead or something? |
| 17:08.05 | Ronin | union break |
| 17:08.10 | Odinn | ??? |
| 17:08.11 | Odinn | lol |
| 17:08.28 | abrotman | tarzeau: okay |
| 17:08.30 | tarzeau | abrotman: i just entered into a bub-n-bros network play with 4 dragons finished one level and the other players quit :( |
| 17:08.31 | itchi | xeihin: With awk that is peace of cake |
| 17:08.38 | Overflow2 | nope no use.. lol, never heard of such a thing |
| 17:09.00 | abrotman | Overflow2: what do you need help with? installing an irc client in Debian ? |
| 17:09.09 | *** mode/#debian [+l 807] by debhelper |
| 17:09.09 | Overflow2 | installed 3 |
| 17:09.23 | Ronin | Overflow2: then join freenode server and /join #debian |
| 17:09.26 | Overflow2 | none can join the debian cahnnel |
| 17:09.32 | Ronin | Overflow2: why not? |
| 17:09.32 | Overflow2 | did that |
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| 17:09.49 | itchi | xeihin: If you want my hint, i did echo 3869 isra 15 0 346m 298m 3948 S 33.8 3.7 142:00.51 python | awk '{ print $9}' |
| 17:09.54 | Overflow2 | response: "no such channel" |
| 17:09.56 | Overflow2 | lol |
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| 17:10.02 | abrotman | tarzeau: maybe you should handicap yourself |
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| 17:10.13 | tarzeau | abrotman: i rather play nethack |
| 17:10.15 | abrotman | ok |
| 17:10.18 | Ronin | Overflow2: niven.freenode.net /j #debian |
| 17:10.21 | Overflow2 | tried through gaim also |
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| 17:10.26 | Overflow2 | ill try] |
| 17:10.28 | Overflow2 | brb |
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| 17:11.54 | Overflow2 | lol, no use |
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| 17:12.18 | Ronin | then your doing somethign wrong, obvoiusly :) |
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| 17:12.25 | Overflow2 | im laughing my a** off now, cant join.. |
| 17:13.04 | Overflow2 | what is that "netsplit" youve talked about? |
| 17:13.15 | Ronin | !netsplit |
| 17:13.15 | dpkg | rumour has it, netsplit is A deliberate disconnection between (at least) two servers on one IRC network. Usually occurs when the output-queue for the link has filled up too much to make a timely (re)sync likely, so it's preferred to maintain sanity (and lag-freeness) for both parts of the network. Occurs anywhere where links between IRC-servers have too little bandwidth (available/allocated). |
| 17:13.25 | Overflow2 | !netsplit |
| 17:13.26 | Ronin | doh, sorry should have done !tell Overflow2 |
| 17:13.43 | Overflow2 | !tell |
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| 17:14.17 | Overflow2 | nice |
| 17:14.20 | Overflow2 | lol |
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| 17:14.48 | Overflow2 | ill go fix my ddebian |
| 17:14.49 | Overflow2 | brb |
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| 17:15.02 | itchi | So, to use badblocks i should use a live cd? my / may not be mounted? |
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| 17:16.58 | itchi | tarzeau: heh, i not understand how i should use badblocks |
| 17:16.59 | valdyn | itchi: no |
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| 17:17.53 | itchi | Honesty, i not want to test that much, on this stage, the hdd of my main comp heh :-s Bah, i have 2 DVD backups here anyway, but still want to avoid to break my lovely toy :-p |
| 17:17.53 | valdyn | itchi: you can use badblocks on a mounted device just fine |
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| 17:18.06 | tarzeau | itchi: badblocks -svn /dev/hda |
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| 17:18.31 | itchi | Gona power on the beast |
| 17:18.36 | valdyn | itchi: it *may* happen that badblocks finds errors where none are on a rw mounted device |
| 17:18.38 | DawnLight | pppoeconf has set something to dial on bootup. how do i cancel it? |
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| 17:19.20 | valdyn | itchi: if badblocks finds no errors, all is fine, if it finds some and those are real you need a new disk anyway |
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| 17:20.00 | valdyn | DawnLight: you edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:20.05 | itchi | valdyn: Bah, it is a new, cause the previous have die the last week. I hope it is not my onboard controller |
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| 17:20.47 | humbolto | Is the UUID shown by blkid the same as the one shown by mdadm? I mean, can I use the one from blkid in my mdadm.conf file? |
| 17:20.49 | itchi | wait |
| 17:20.57 | itchi | My hdd is seen as sda, wtf |
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| 17:21.16 | valdyn | itchi: so? |
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| 17:21.28 | valdyn | itchi: on which kernel? |
| 17:21.30 | itchi | valdyn: I need pink magie to get it to /dev/hda |
| 17:21.38 | valdyn | itchi: why? |
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| 17:22.02 | valdyn | itchi: libata should be superior, hdx is nearly obsolete |
| 17:22.02 | itchi | valdyn: 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 17:22.25 | itchi | valdyn: Weird, cause that was years /dev/hda before, it's still hda |
| 17:22.45 | valdyn | itchi: on the same kernel? |
| 17:22.56 | Odinn | ~dpkg |
| 17:23.00 | apt | [dpkg] a bot, or the low-level command to install and manipulate Debian package files (.debs). |
| 17:23.00 | Odinn | !dpkg |
| 17:23.00 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dpkg is a program. you have to expect some confusion if you name yourself after a program |
| 17:23.34 | itchi | valdyn: Eeuhm, maybe got i an upgrade heh, euhm, dunno honesty |
| 17:24.12 | valdyn | itchi: lsmod | grep pata |
| 17:24.20 | penguin | Is it possible to boot debian from Knoppix disk using grub command line? |
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| 17:24.46 | itchi | valdyn: But i'm sorry, the food is hot and there, i need to go off 20 mins. I directly come back after eating |
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| 17:26.50 | humbolto | How do the UUIDs from the partitions (the ones blkid shows) correspond with the ones shown by mdadm --examine --scan? |
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| 17:31.13 | DawnLight | valdyn: what does the script put in that file to connect on bootup? |
| 17:31.31 | scarface | does apt-purge clean remove all the already downlaoded .debs on current machine? |
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| 17:31.59 | valdyn | DawnLight: all stuff for the ppp0 interface and ppp0 in the auto line to automagically bring it up |
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| 17:34.05 | densin | apt-build have debug mode? |
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| 17:34.45 | DawnLight | valdyn: is there a script to just undo everything pppoeconf did? or do i have to understand everything and do it manually if i want? |
| 17:35.01 | valdyn | DawnLight: why would you bother? |
| 17:35.15 | DawnLight | i know, i can just cancel the bootup connect |
| 17:35.31 | valdyn | DawnLight: right, by removing ppp0 from the auto line |
| 17:36.19 | DawnLight | but isn't it a little dirty to write a script that configures something without an option to undo? |
| 17:36.19 | valdyn | DawnLight: that's what debian usually does |
| 17:36.19 | DawnLight | dirty debian |
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| 17:36.25 | valdyn | DawnLight: not really |
| 17:36.38 | valdyn | DawnLight: there's no point in removing the ppp configuration |
| 17:36.48 | valdyn | DawnLight: unless you care about a few saved kb |
| 17:36.50 | xeihin | how can I read a file who have 5 lines one per one to build a shell script? |
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| 17:36.58 | DawnLight | it doesn't harm anyone i guess |
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| 17:37.23 | n3kl_ | Hello |
| 17:37.29 | valdyn | DawnLight: the generated files are all in /etc/ppp, mind, its just few files in there, not all |
| 17:37.40 | stew | xeihin: while read line ; do something with $line ; done |
| 17:37.44 | enouf | xeihin: readline? |
| 17:37.52 | n3kl_ | How often to the scripts in /etc/cron.d/ run? |
| 17:37.53 | xeihin | readline? |
| 17:37.55 | xeihin | let me try |
| 17:38.03 | xeihin | I don't have a readline command |
| 17:38.06 | valdyn | n3kl_: that's up the each script |
| 17:38.26 | valdyn | n3kl_: and its not 'scripts' there, its cron configuration files, or crontabs |
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| 17:39.17 | enouf | xeihin: http://wooledge.org/mywiki/BashFAQ |
| 17:39.39 | xeihin | tnks let me try |
| 17:39.59 | enouf | xeihin: if you look up, stew gave you a solution |
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| 17:40.53 | n3kl_ | valdyn: ok, but the files in /etc/cron.daily/ could be scripts, yes? |
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| 17:41.30 | DawnLight | oh now i get the connection between ifup -a and auto... |
| 17:41.41 | valdyn | n3kl_: that's shell scripts |
| 17:42.01 | DawnLight | gotta love this brain thing when you use it :-) |
| 17:42.02 | valdyn | n3kl_: #!/path/to/whatever - like scripts |
| 17:42.08 | humbolto | h3sp4wn: you said to use "update-initramfs -k all -u" to update all initrds. but this script is not installed in sarge by default! |
| 17:42.42 | simonrvn | humbolto: sarge is oldstable now, please update if possible |
| 17:43.34 | valdyn | n3kl_: well, actually, its just executable files.. doesnt need to be scripts, they just usually are |
| 17:43.35 | xeihin | tnks |
| 17:43.35 | DawnLight | does debian do ifup -a at bootup? |
| 17:43.35 | humbolto | simonrvn: have to get it back up first! |
| 17:43.35 | valdyn | DawnLight: read /etc/init.d/networking |
| 17:43.35 | simonrvn | of course |
| 17:43.35 | humbolto | simonrvn: I am having problems with my RAID! |
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| 17:44.02 | perlmonkey | hi guys |
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| 17:44.29 | perlmonkey | how do I get my sys to mount a partition on bootup, and does the procedure vary if you are mounting over nfs? |
| 17:44.51 | h3sp4wn | humbolto: No idea about sarge - all I know is it (can ?) use yaird |
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| 17:45.09 | enouf | humbolto: iinm, doing a dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r) should update your initrd, but not so sure if that applies to the older cramfs initrds(Sarge) |
| 17:45.18 | perlmonkey | hi enouf |
| 17:45.20 | n3kl_ | valdyn: right, thanks. I just figured ( incorectly ) that cron.d was the same way. Thanks |
| 17:45.30 | enouf | humbolto: i guess that might even be kernel-image-... for sarge |
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| 17:45.46 | simonrvn | that may work, what enouf said |
| 17:45.46 | dfa001 | anyone know how to disable esmtp in sendmail? |
| 17:45.46 | enouf | perlmonkey: yo |
| 17:45.47 | maddash | amphi et al.: w00t i just ported linux-phc-2.6.20 to 2.6.21. now I can undervolt AND have a tickless kernel! |
| 17:46.05 | humbolto | enouf: it is kernel image |
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| 17:46.21 | enouf | right .. still using 2.6.8 i gather |
| 17:46.26 | itchi | valdyn: Sorry, i'm back |
| 17:46.41 | perlmonkey | anyone know what causes a panel error when starting gnome? I get "detected panel already running, i will now close down" only happens when I'm mounted on nfs /home |
| 17:46.52 | itchi | valdyn: lsmod | grep pata do not output somethings |
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| 17:46.58 | simonrvn | maddash: tickless? what use could that be? mind explaining briefly? |
| 17:47.09 | valdyn | itchi: you should have a pata_something modules loaded if your parallel ata disks are shown as sd* |
| 17:47.44 | xeihin | can some one help me? http://rafb.net/p/AerGWD10.html |
| 17:47.54 | perlmonkey | hi |
| 17:48.00 | itchi | valdyn: Weird, i is not loaded |
| 17:48.06 | xeihin | it say top: failed tty get |
| 17:48.07 | xeihin | 28967 |
| 17:48.09 | {cyborg} | Hi all. I have a security-related question : how come my /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/* symlinks have 777 rights by default ? |
| 17:48.17 | maddash | simonrvn: slaps on about an extra hour of battery life. |
| 17:48.28 | perlmonkey | "i've detected a panel already running, and will now exit" |
| 17:48.37 | simonrvn | perlmonkey: probably not getting a lock (probably not all or a proper one) |
| 17:48.54 | DawnLight | how do i actually do this from grub? : -b, emergency |
| 17:48.54 | DawnLight | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:49.16 | Throat | {cyborg}: all symlinks normally have 777 :) it doesnt mean anything, only the permission of the files matter |
| 17:49.19 | xand | {cyborg}: symlink permissions have no effect |
| 17:49.21 | simonrvn | maddash: ah, so it doesn't tick, therefore saving power |
| 17:49.28 | DawnLight | it sounds like its going to be useful |
| 17:49.35 | simonrvn | plus the undervolting |
| 17:49.45 | Tsarin | hi all - is there user-space way to determine if my running kernel was configured with HIGHMEM ? I'm running Debian, vmlinuz-2.4.27-3-686-smp in a machine with 2G of RAM. I'm trying to make sure that the machine will really use all the memory. |
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| 17:49.47 | perlmonkey | simonrvn: oh, could be a file missing eh |
| 17:49.48 | enouf | perlmonkey: start it from a xterm |
| 17:49.49 | {cyborg} | xand: but that means everybody can remove the symlink thus disable an apache module ! |
| 17:49.50 | itchi | valdyn: It is a fresh install btw, maybe did i somethings wrong, but i can not believe it |
| 17:49.56 | simonrvn | DawnLight: all bootloaders do that |
| 17:49.57 | perlmonkey | simonrvn: i just moved my /home to nfs you see |
| 17:49.59 | xand | {cyborg}: no it doesn't |
| 17:49.59 | enouf | perlmonkey: sounds like a DCOP server issue |
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| 17:50.14 | xand | {cyborg}: you need write permission on the directory they're in |
| 17:50.19 | simonrvn | gnome doesn't run dcop stuff |
| 17:50.22 | {cyborg} | xand: ok thanks |
| 17:50.23 | Xsnoopy | can you recommend me a mirror server in germany for netinstall? |
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| 17:50.33 | Xsnoopy | or is it all the same? |
| 17:50.35 | xand | Xsnoopy: ftp.de.debian.org |
| 17:50.43 | Tsarin | or alternately, is there a place that I can see the compile options used to build the kernel from a particular package? |
| 17:50.44 | enouf | perlmonkey: check output of ps aux | grep -i dcop |
| 17:50.44 | perlmonkey | enouf: ok, is there a magic key combo to open xterm? as I can't start a failsafe xterm from gdm |
| 17:50.46 | Xsnoopy | fand: thanks :) |
| 17:50.47 | {cyborg} | Throat: thanks |
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| 17:50.55 | enouf | perlmonkey: erm you need to login |
| 17:50.56 | maddash_ | argh. |
| 17:51.01 | humbolto | I have to ask again: Can anybody imagine a reason why my ROOT RAID1 is not detected anymore? mdadm: /dev/sda2 has wrong UUID. |
| 17:51.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | fun |
| 17:51.05 | perlmonkey | i hate gdm |
| 17:51.09 | perlmonkey | i just need a shell |
| 17:51.16 | enouf | perlmonkey: setup up gdm correctly, i don;t use gdm, so don't know |
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| 17:51.20 | simonrvn | humbolto: bug? |
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| 17:51.21 | enouf | heh |
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| 17:52.16 | mastermi | would this be the place to ask what the "Replaces" field does in a deb control file? |
| 17:52.18 | simonrvn | humbolto: i seem to remember reading something about uuids not getting read properly on certain partitions in a chagelog recently |
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| 17:52.26 | mastermi | I'm getting mixed signals googling |
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| 17:52.51 | Tsarin | Is there way to determine if my running kernel was configured with HIGHMEM ? I'm running Debian, vmlinuz-2.4.27-3-686-smp in a machine with 2G of RAM. I'm trying to make sure that the machine will really use all the memory. |
| 17:53.00 | xand | mastermi: probably |
| 17:53.10 | maddash | Tsarin: look in /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 17:53.28 | Tsarin | maddash thanks - will look |
| 17:54.03 | mastermi | Some sites say that "Replaces" will remove the package, others say it will allow overwrite of the files that conflict. |
| 17:54.13 | Tsarin | thank you |
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| 17:54.53 | mastermi | But I swear that you can overwrite the files anyway, so I'm trying to figure out if I need to use "Replaces" when I've got a file I'm just overwriting. |
| 17:54.54 | Tsarin | bingo: CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y |
| 17:55.04 | xand | I thought that only applied to 4GB or more, not 2GB |
| 17:55.50 | alleyoopster | mine is set the same on a less than 1GB machine |
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| 17:56.25 | Tsarin | "Due to limitations in the 32-bit address space of the x86 architecture, a kernel with default configuration can only support up to 896mb RAM. If your system has more memory, only the first 896mb will be visible, unless you enable high memory support." http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/kernel-config.xml |
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| 17:56.29 | amphi | maddash: cool ;) |
| 17:56.29 | maddash | !ops |
| 17:56.29 | dpkg | Please invoke '!ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 17:56.33 | maddash | !ops spam |
| 17:56.33 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: maddash complains about: spam |
| 17:56.46 | amphi | maddash: what porting was required? |
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| 17:57.20 | Tsarin | alleyoopster: "High memory support is not enabled by default, because it introduces a small system overhead." |
| 17:57.24 | RichiH | maddash: i klined, thanks |
| 17:57.34 | maddash | RichiH: :) |
| 17:57.45 | maddash | amphi: I tried a straightforward `patch -p1 < [linux phc 2.6.20]` on the 2.6.21 sources, but hunk 3 of 4 failed |
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| 17:57.50 | DawnLight | how about !cops |
| 17:57.58 | amphi | maddash: uhuh... |
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| 17:58.06 | humbolto | simonrvn: do you know how the raid UUIDs and the partition UUIDs correspond? |
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| 17:58.50 | maddash | amphi: there was some changes in arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/Kconfig between .6.20 and .6.21, so I did patched the patch to adapt to the changes. |
| 17:58.58 | alleyoopster | Tsarin: highmem4G=yes is saying that it is enable yes? I also have highmem=y |
| 17:59.08 | enouf | simonrvn: heh .. dcop is a kde thing? didn't know .. then perhaps an xauthority issue, or dbus one -- wonder how one is already running, unless he forgot to logout, and did a lazy umount or someshit |
| 17:59.41 | maddash | amphi: I was lucky, because the PHC 2.6.20 patch applied cleanly to the other files (speedstep-centrino.c, Makefile [eek]) |
| 17:59.46 | Tsarin | alleyoopster: yes, this means is is enabled, and (i think) this means the kernel will support up to 4G of memory |
| 17:59.50 | xand | Tsarin: I beleive it is enabled by default in recent debian kernels, at least for some CPUs |
| 17:59.51 | humbolto | can I make apt-get dist-upgrade ignore one package? |
| 18:00.06 | enouf | humbolto: what's udevtest /block/sda/sda2 say about it |
| 18:00.06 | Tsarin | xand: yup, seems to be |
| 18:00.18 | simonrvn | not really, no, but i do remember havign this problem on another machine a couple of years ago, i thought i did something wrong, so didn't think of filing a bug report/checking the BTS for something |
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| 18:00.28 | amphi | maddash: yeah, speedstep-centrino shouldn't change, at least not in a way that affects that patch, with any luck |
| 18:00.30 | OverFlow | hello all |
| 18:00.35 | OverFlow | finally joined |
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| 18:00.39 | OverFlow | again |
| 18:00.42 | humbolto | enouf: I am on sarge! |
| 18:01.09 | enouf | humbolto: oh .. forgot :-( |
| 18:01.12 | amphi | maddash: did you submit the updated patch to the phc people? |
| 18:01.28 | maddash | amphi: do you think I should? |
| 18:01.34 | OverFlow | guys i need help, alsa installed, mixer ok (not muted) but still no sound.. help... |
| 18:01.48 | humbolto | enouf: I am still trying to find out if a partition being part of a raid should have the same UUID as the RAID |
| 18:01.52 | mastermi | turns out "Replaces" is required if a file needs to be overwritten that was provided by another package. Answered my own question. Thanks though. |
| 18:01.54 | enouf | humbolto: erm please see http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-mdadm/mdadm/trunk/debian/FAQ?op=file&rev=0&sc=0 anyways, also find the doc called rootraiddoc.97.html on your hdd |
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| 18:02.18 | maddash | amphi: the dedigentoo site says that there's some upcoming "major release," so wouldn't 2.6.21 be trivial to them? |
| 18:02.22 | amphi | maddash: sure (if it works ;) |
| 18:02.31 | maddash | amphi: heh. cool. |
| 18:02.31 | enouf | cat /proc/mdstats? humbolto ? i don' know offhand |
| 18:02.42 | OverFlow | guys i need help, alsa installed, mixer ok (not muted) but still no sound.. help... |
| 18:02.45 | amphi | maddash: does no harm to submit it, it's all handy |
| 18:03.07 | amphi | maddash: I submitted my trivial init script |
| 18:03.14 | Nemoder | OverFlow: try running alsaconf |
| 18:03.16 | humbolto | enouf: this does not show any uuids |
| 18:03.23 | maddash | amphi: heh, I noticed. brb, rebooting into my new custom voltages. |
| 18:03.25 | enouf | humbolto: also check to see that ls -al /dev/disk/by-uuid matches with /etc/blkid.tab |
| 18:03.34 | OverFlow | did that.. no luck |
| 18:03.55 | OverFlow | i had it running once |
| 18:04.01 | S4nD3r | Id like to have a desktop with icons flying (I think karamba allows it ) |
| 18:04.01 | enouf | humbolto: and that those symlinks point to the correct partitions |
| 18:04.10 | S4nD3r | Is it hard to setup? |
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| 18:04.15 | enouf | humbolto: check using file -s /dev/sda2 |
| 18:04.19 | OverFlow | but alsa chose a slightly different card |
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| 18:04.25 | enouf | also |
| 18:05.26 | OverFlow | now its the intel 82801DB-ICH4, and it use to be intel bla bla ac97 |
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| 18:06.54 | OverFlow | changed my nick to Overflow-debian |
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| 18:07.47 | humbolto | enouf: there is no /dev/disk/by-uuid on my sarge system. maybe that's the problem. |
| 18:08.08 | enouf | humbolto: i can't recall if that's a newer incantation |
| 18:08.49 | n3kl_ | I am toying with a syslog server... is there a way to make a host have a consistant name in the logs? |
| 18:08.52 | Xsnoopy | how can i access the debug shell in the netinstaller? |
| 18:08.58 | Overflow-debian | guys help pls, alsa installed, mixer ok but no sound.. |
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| 18:09.28 | enouf | and my bad about the file -s output, it doesn't reveal uuids, just FStypes .. humbolto |
| 18:09.30 | humbolto | enouf: does the UUID shown by mdadm --detail have to be the same as shown by blkid? They are not. |
| 18:09.38 | abrotman | !alsa checklist |
| 18:09.38 | dpkg | [alsa-checklist] 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 18:09.59 | enouf | humbolto: i don't think so , but i could be mistaken .. i think they get created once you make your /dev/md0 |
| 18:10.04 | enouf | or whatever |
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| 18:10.51 | humbolto | They look different, the ones are seperated by : the others by - on different locations |
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| 18:11.53 | Xsnoopy | how can i access the debug console of the netinstaller? :/ |
| 18:12.08 | humbolto | enouf: I can assemble the RAID when I boot from a CD with no problem! Just when I boot into sarge, it does not work. |
| 18:12.08 | abrotman | alt-f2 or f3 |
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| 18:12.16 | Xsnoopy | abrotman: thanks ^^ |
| 18:12.48 | maddash | hm, which way is the canonical way for generating a patch? is it `diff -Naur [new] [old]` or vice versa (swap new and old)? |
| 18:13.23 | h3sp4wn | maddash: you don't need the a (unless you are diffing 2 directories) |
| 18:13.34 | enouf | humbolto: please read those docs i threw out earlier and search your HDD for docs also in /usr/share/docs/mdadm perhaps, and man pages .. here's that online rootraiddoc.97.html version http://alioth.debian.org/frs/?group_id=30283&release_id=288 |
| 18:13.38 | n3kl_ | Why when I have a relayhost setup in postfix, does it not send the mail to the host? |
| 18:14.00 | abrotman | does the host allow it ? |
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| 18:14.30 | enouf | humbolto: hrm .. an initrd issue? .. did dpkg-reconfig the kernel help?, guess not... Superblock issues? (svn doc talks about that) |
| 18:14.32 | Overflow-debian | !alsa-checklist |
| 18:14.32 | dpkg | i heard alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 18:15.09 | n3kl_ | abrotman: I believe so, there is nothing in the logs that indicate otherwise. Also there is nothing in mailq to make me think that the satellite system is still trying. |
| 18:15.10 | humbolto | enouf: I am on it. Maybe just the devs in /dev are not setup correctly or hotplug is not installed |
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| 18:15.57 | enouf | humbolto: hrm .. yes .. hotplug and udev don't play nice, and yet Sarge used hotplug, but IIRC, udev can be there, but not any version above 0.65 or something |
| 18:16.14 | Xsnoopy | how can i switch back to the netinstaller from debug shell? :/ |
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| 18:16.35 | enouf | check output of dpkg -l | grep hotplug udev hal dbus perhaps |
| 18:16.54 | n3kl_ | If I send to the host using user@fqdn it works, but if I send to just the user account, it only gets delivered locally. Por que? |
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| 18:17.10 | Overflow-debian | cant find 'audio' group for alsa checklist |
| 18:17.30 | enouf | !dbse |
| 18:17.30 | dpkg | rumour has it, dbse is well; 'dbse' is Differences Between Sarge and Etch: what's New In Etch? see http://wiki.debian.org/NewInEtch. Etch is now Stable! (4.0r0) ; ask me about <Today> for more (be sure to check out the "errata" too). Etch errata/docs/images here http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ ..also see http://www.ducea.com/2006/10/10/debian-etch-kernels/ for some other major diffs betwen Sarge and Etch |
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| 18:18.34 | Overflow-debian | !alsa |
| 18:18.34 | dpkg | rumour has it, alsa is http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA? or see <alsa-checklist> or <alsa install> |
| 18:18.34 | enouf | humbolto: see that last url perhaps ^^^^ |
| 18:18.34 | Overflow-debian | !tell alsa |
| 18:18.34 | enouf | Overflow-debian: you can also /msg dpkg yourself directly ;-) |
| 18:18.34 | Overflow-debian | k |
| 18:18.34 | Overflow-debian | thx |
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| 18:18.34 | humbolto | enouf: checking the urls |
| 18:18.35 | enouf | Overflow-debian: do a /msg dpkg selftell |
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| 18:18.57 | abrotman | Xsnoopy: alt-f1 :) |
| 18:19.49 | Xsnoopy | abrotman: ah, well, thanks again ^^ |
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| 18:20.33 | concept10 | is there some equivalent app to the service system oh RedHat based systems? (I know about /etc/init.d/( |
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| 18:20.58 | enouf | humbolto: http://packages.debian.org/oldstable/admin/udev it's 0.056-3 version |
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| 18:21.26 | enouf | remember Sarge is oldstable now |
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| 18:21.44 | abrotman | concept10: to what ? |
| 18:21.45 | enouf | i forget many times.. heh |
| 18:21.56 | PumpkinPie | sarge kicks etch's ass |
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| 18:22.01 | PumpkinPie | etch blows |
| 18:22.02 | enouf | hehe |
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| 18:22.08 | naitram | best system backup and restore? |
| 18:22.18 | abrotman | depends on your needs |
| 18:22.19 | enouf | naitram: many ways |
| 18:22.38 | humbolto | is there some meta package that installs everything that needs to be there? |
| 18:22.44 | abrotman | humbolto: for what ? |
| 18:22.52 | naitram | single machine backup to CD |
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| 18:22.54 | abrotman | !vague |
| 18:22.54 | dpkg | Hi, I've got a problem but I'm not going to explain it to you in a coherent way. I'm also going to annoy you by using contractions like "ur" and "ne", furthermore I'm going to make up my own abbreviations of technical phrases and terms |
| 18:22.58 | concept10 | abrotman, on redhat systems, you could do something such as service query all and it will output running services/daemons |
| 18:23.08 | humbolto | abrotman: to make sure everyting needed is there |
| 18:23.15 | abrotman | concept10: man update-rc.d? sysconf? rcconf ? |
| 18:23.19 | enouf | HookEcho: i think the kernels meta-pkg is kernel-image-2.6-686 for ex |
| 18:23.23 | abrotman | humbolto: everything needed TO DO WHAT? |
| 18:23.27 | enouf | erm humbolto |
| 18:23.56 | abrotman | humbolto: i don't have all the software needed to make eggs .. could you tell me which package that is ? |
| 18:23.56 | enouf | the kernel needed a metapkg for transitioning for security reasons IIRC |
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| 18:24.03 | concept10 | abrotman, i read man update-rc.d this morning. will the others output? |
| 18:24.11 | enouf | humbolto: specifics |
| 18:24.13 | abrotman | concept10: i don't use them .. dunno |
| 18:24.14 | naitram | single machine manual backup of Machine for system restore like Ghost. |
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| 18:24.21 | abrotman | !g4l |
| 18:24.23 | abrotman | bah |
| 18:24.24 | humbolto | abrotman: base system |
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| 18:24.28 | concept10 | dammit I hate when people block their phone numbers and call |
| 18:24.31 | abrotman | humbolto: if you've done the install .. should be there |
| 18:24.33 | PumpkinPie | better change my name before I say something stupid |
| 18:24.35 | enouf | concept10: /msg dpkg sysv-rc-conf |
| 18:24.37 | mohkohn | Is anybody here using both OSX and debian on an iMac? |
| 18:24.44 | Pieeeee | what happened to the "lets wait 5 years and release something" was etch just a effort to speak to upset debian users (ubuntu users) and say "see we put out releases and use new kernels too!" was that the whole point.. |
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| 18:24.50 | Overflow-debian | guys i cant find the 'audio' group |
| 18:24.53 | Overflow-debian | help |
| 18:25.02 | Overflow-debian | all ok |
| 18:25.24 | abrotman | PumpkinPie: it wasn't five years .. evr |
| 18:25.25 | abrotman | ever |
| 18:25.25 | Overflow-debian | alsa installed, mixer ok (not muted)... no sound..help |
| 18:25.28 | abrotman | !release history |
| 18:25.29 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06) and Etch (4.0; 2007-03-08). The next release will be lenny. See also <http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html>. |
| 18:26.01 | Xsnoopy | is there a possibility to abort in netinstaller? |
| 18:26.04 | Xsnoopy | :& |
| 18:26.11 | h3sp4wn | concept10: I haven't found anything on linux that is as good for information as - 'svcs' is on Solaris 10 - (maybe there is a clone of that program for linux) |
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| 18:26.41 | humbolto | abrotman: I have to track down ghosts now! Why did it work before but not anymore. So I follow every possible lead! |
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| 18:26.55 | abrotman | what didn't work? |
| 18:26.56 | concept10 | h3sp4wn, yeah, im thinking that there has to be some clone app or something close.. |
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| 18:27.05 | abrotman | Xsnoopy: turn the machine off ? :) |
| 18:27.27 | abrotman | humbolto: fill me in a bit |
| 18:27.40 | Overflow-debian | alsa installed, mixer ok (not muted)... no sound..help |
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| 18:28.42 | abrotman | !tell Overflow-debian about alsa checklist |
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| 18:29.03 | abrotman | !il |
| 18:29.03 | dpkg | methinks il is Israel, home of some truly great people |
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| 18:29.10 | abrotman | bah .. no hewbrew channel |
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| 18:29.41 | Overflow-debian | did checklist |
| 18:29.50 | Overflow-debian | gives this: /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy |
| 18:30.00 | humbolto | Still the same. soft ROOT RAID1 moved to new system. Does not boot anymore: Cannot open device /dev/sda2: No such device ; /dev/sda2 has wron UUID. |
| 18:30.06 | humbolto | abrotman: Still the same. soft ROOT RAID1 moved to new system. Does not boot anymore: Cannot open device /dev/sda2: No such device ; /dev/sda2 has wron UUID. |
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| 18:30.22 | dZen|n| | what does this mean: the following packages have inment dependencies ? |
| 18:30.32 | c5jr | unmet? |
| 18:30.32 | dZen|n| | unmet* |
| 18:30.33 | abrotman | humbolto: okay .. so how are you trying to solve this? |
| 18:30.36 | h3sp4wn | concept10: parts of what upstart should be able to do (but no one has implimented yet) are directly ripped off from svcs |
| 18:30.37 | stew | Overflow-debian: sounds like something is already using your soundcard. "fuser /dev/dsp /dev/snd/*" should tell you the pid |
| 18:30.38 | abrotman | !unmet |
| 18:30.38 | humbolto | mdadm: no devices found for /dev/md0 |
| 18:30.40 | abrotman | bah |
| 18:30.49 | Overflow-debian | help alsa driver. /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy |
| 18:30.50 | abrotman | dZen|n|: you screwed something up .. paste the whole error |
| 18:30.50 | abrotman | !paster |
| 18:30.51 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 18:30.51 | c5jr | dZen|n|, it means they have dependencies that can not be met |
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| 18:31.29 | c5jr | so whatever youre trying to do you cant because of dependencies on another package |
| 18:31.29 | humbolto | abrotman: No idea! recreated initrds, tried to boot from sda2 instead of md0, ... |
| 18:31.30 | dZen|n| | well I am trying to install linux headers |
| 18:31.46 | dZen|n| | apt-get install linux-headers-2.6-k7 |
| 18:31.50 | stew | dZen|n|: /msg dpkg bat |
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| 18:32.22 | enouf | concept10: but a ls -al /etc/rc?.d/ | grep S should show you the startup script symlinks . but not sure if it's to be trusted, since some act/run in shutdown runlevels (0,6) .. check hte files manually .. all symlinks point to /etc/init.d/ , and there's also the /etc/rcS.d file as well |
| 18:32.46 | Overflow-debian | this i know, help pls.. what should i do? |
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| 18:32.55 | enouf | well , when i say all, i mean they should i guess |
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| 18:33.25 | perlmonkey | how do I get my system to mount a partition automatically |
| 18:33.34 | eeyore- | howdy |
| 18:33.37 | humbolto | abrotman: maybe I have to MAKEDEV? |
| 18:33.48 | perlmonkey | I thought it was just a matter of making an entry in /etc/mtab, but everytime I reboot the entry gets removed |
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| 18:34.10 | Overflow-debian | stew, help pls.. i did the alsa checklist. i cant find the group 'audio'.. |
| 18:34.12 | stew | perlmonkey: add it to /etc/fstab (man fstab) |
| 18:34.29 | dZen|n| | okey new wrror: E: broken packages |
| 18:34.31 | perlmonkey | stew: ahh thanks, i got confused :-/ |
| 18:34.32 | stew | Overflow-debian: what does "getent group audio" return? |
| 18:34.32 | enouf | humbolto: what's output of dpkg -l | grep hotplug udev hal dbus <-- pastebin that |
| 18:34.33 | abrotman | humbolto: you sohuld |
| 18:34.38 | dZen|n| | error* |
| 18:34.50 | stew | dpkg: tell dZen|n| about bat |
| 18:34.54 | perlmonkey | gnome can be a pain in the ass |
| 18:34.56 | abrotman | dZen|n|: do any aptitude update first |
| 18:35.01 | Overflow-debian | audio:x:29:myname |
| 18:35.07 | enouf | perlmonkey: you shouldn;'t have to touch mtab |
| 18:35.14 | perlmonkey | i wont touch it |
| 18:35.15 | stew | Overflow-debian: that is the audio group |
| 18:35.18 | enouf | heh |
| 18:35.19 | Overflow-debian | ok |
| 18:35.29 | stew | Overflow-debian: so what did you mean by "i can't find the group 'audio'"? |
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| 18:36.09 | Overflow-debian | i went to 'users and groups' in gnome btw, and couldnt find it.. lol silly me |
| 18:36.14 | concept10 | enouf, i know how to check whats actually going on in the current runlevel (by default), i was looking for a tool that more or less says "Hey, these services are currently running" |
| 18:36.23 | Overflow-debian | but still no sound |
| 18:36.25 | dZen|n| | upfated succesfull but stilll same error |
| 18:36.26 | humbolto | abrotman: when doing MAKEDEV in /dev: .udevdb presence implies active udev. Aborting MAKEDEV invocation. |
| 18:36.28 | dZen|n| | damn :D |
| 18:36.31 | Overflow-debian | silence is bliss |
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| 18:36.34 | humbolto | where to pastebin? |
| 18:36.36 | concept10 | enouf, not a big deal though, it was for someone else. I was just wondering the best way to do it |
| 18:36.36 | abrotman | humbolto: damn udev |
| 18:36.39 | abrotman | !paste |
| 18:36.39 | dpkg | paste is, like, Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC or if those are not working, ask me about <pastebin> for other options |
| 18:36.44 | stew | Overflow-debian: does /dev/dsp exist? |
| 18:36.54 | eeyore- | humbolto: ok then, load the proper kernel module? |
| 18:37.14 | Overflow-debian | yes exists |
| 18:37.20 | naitram | if my machine dies, what do I need to have backed up to restore it? What sort of backup provisions would one normally take? |
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| 18:37.43 | c5jr | naitram, that is a very open ended question. |
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| 18:37.45 | enouf | Overflow-debian: cat /etc/group | cut -d: -f1 | sort does that show an audio group? |
| 18:37.58 | eeyore- | naitram: "normally"? most people don't back up. |
| 18:38.17 | Overflow-debian | yes |
| 18:38.24 | c5jr | if we are talking about a server, there are best practices |
| 18:38.29 | humbolto | eeyore-: I am running from some bootable CD chrooted (not debian) since I can't boot into debian |
| 18:38.36 | enouf | concept10: well .. i use sysv-rc-conf to see what's set, and ps aux, pstree -lunap, and htop |
| 18:38.37 | c5jr | that most people tend to think you should adhere to |
| 18:38.45 | stew | Overflow-debian: what happens when you run "cat /dev/random > /dev/dsp"? |
| 18:38.58 | stew | Overflow-debian: err, use /dev/urandom not /dev/random |
| 18:39.02 | eeyore- | humbolto: so why you want devices when you're in chroot environment? |
| 18:39.10 | Overflow-debian | /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy |
| 18:39.13 | naitram | c5jr: ok so close the gap. yes what is the best practices for server backup |
| 18:39.29 | Overflow-debian | k 1 sec |
| 18:39.32 | humbolto | eeyore-: I want to regenerate the device files for the next boot |
| 18:39.41 | humbolto | eeyore-: just in case |
| 18:39.46 | eeyore- | naitram: everything, full and incremental. full every week, incremental every night. four to six weeks rotation. |
| 18:39.52 | Overflow-debian | same.. busy |
| 18:39.54 | enouf | humbolto: paste? did i miss it? |
| 18:39.56 | humbolto | eeyore-: have no clue what do try anymore |
| 18:39.56 | stew | 13:30 < stew> Overflow-debian: sounds like something is already using your soundcard. "fuser /dev/dsp /dev/snd/*" should tell you the pid |
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| 18:39.59 | concept10 | enouf, yeah, me too, exact same |
| 18:40.00 | humbolto | enouf: |
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| 18:40.10 | humbolto | enouf: seems you did |
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| 18:40.11 | c5jr | thats reasonable, eeyore- |
| 18:40.15 | enouf | eeyore-: he may have a too new version of udev |
| 18:40.19 | c5jr | for a server backup, it really depends on the server |
| 18:40.32 | humbolto | http://paste.debian.net/27559 |
| 18:40.33 | Overflow-debian | got pid |
| 18:40.38 | enouf | heh |
| 18:40.44 | naitram | eeyore: and what package do you use |
| 18:40.44 | enouf | you never pasted that yet |
| 18:40.48 | c5jr | some people would consider losing 5hrs or 5mins of data unacceptable |
| 18:40.51 | Overflow-debian | how do i see the job? |
| 18:41.08 | eeyore- | naitram: but really, different situation have different requirements :-) your data dictate what you do |
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| 18:41.31 | Overflow-debian | sorr |
| 18:41.40 | Overflow-debian | got this: '/dev/dsp: 16959' |
| 18:41.41 | naitram | eeyore: and what package do you use, tar? |
| 18:41.49 | eeyore- | naitram: e.g., if you have "most important" and "not so important" and "crap" then you don't want to back up "crap" ... so you end up having different policies for different type of data |
| 18:42.04 | stew | Overflow-debian: ps u 16959 |
| 18:42.05 | eeyore- | naitram: if i had to do this on linux i would use amanda, no question about it |
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| 18:42.34 | Overflow-debian | esd |
| 18:42.34 | perlmonkey | sheesh, finally got my gnome-panel starting up again, but now its empty/blank, nothing loaded on it :-/ |
| 18:42.39 | lepine | Can someone walk me through setting up a remote sysklogd ? |
| 18:42.46 | naitram | eeyore-: well of course its linux or I wouldn't be asking this here:) Thanks |
| 18:42.53 | eeyore- | naitram: and if you have, e.g., large installation of software (hundreds of gigs or maybe even a terrabyte) then you don't wanna back THAT up to tape :-))))) |
| 18:42.55 | lepine | i want to log a csco router |
| 18:42.56 | Overflow-debian | is it the volume applet? |
| 18:43.00 | humbolto | what happens if I remove the /dev/.udevdb ? |
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| 18:43.03 | c5jr | i dont like amanda, i like using tar and rsync for backups, some people like bacula, depends on the use case |
| 18:43.17 | enouf | humbolto: your udev and hotplug versions look fine as well as the others |
| 18:43.17 | humbolto | to be able to run MAKEDEV |
| 18:43.22 | lepine | in /etc/syslog.conf ... facility.level ... |
| 18:43.25 | cydork | perlmonkey: sid? |
| 18:43.27 | humbolto | enouf: hal is not installed |
| 18:43.29 | lepine | how does facility behave in this case? |
| 18:43.31 | eeyore- | naitram: amanda + dump works nicely (for filesystems that "dump" can handle) |
| 18:43.33 | humbolto | enouf: do I need that? |
| 18:43.37 | lepine | does facility become the host name? |
| 18:43.38 | eeyore- | naitram: which means, ext2/ext3 |
| 18:43.39 | enouf | humbolto: ii libhal0 0.4.7-3sarge1 Hardware Abstraction Layer - shared library |
| 18:43.41 | perlmonkey | cydork: etch |
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| 18:43.53 | naitram | c5jr: why didn't you just say that 10 minutes ago? |
| 18:43.55 | eeyore- | naitram: you have tape drives? |
| 18:43.56 | cydork | perlmonkey: how did you manage to do that? :P |
| 18:43.56 | Overflow-debian | got "myname 16959 0.0 0.0 2044 620 ? S 21:22 0:00 /usr/bin/esd -n" |
| 18:43.59 | enouf | humbolto: whatever part of hal that is |
| 18:44.01 | naitram | eeyore-: ext3 |
| 18:44.04 | c5jr | say what, naitram ? |
| 18:44.10 | eeyore- | naitram: how much data? |
| 18:44.14 | enouf | humbolto: not really .. afaik |
| 18:44.14 | humbolto | but the hal package is not |
| 18:44.19 | enouf | right |
| 18:44.22 | perlmonkey | cydork: i mounted my /home on nfs |
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| 18:44.48 | enouf | humbolto: hve you been able to do a fsck? |
| 18:44.55 | humbolto | maybe the sata modules are not loaded |
| 18:44.56 | enouf | humbolto: are they ext3 partitions?> |
| 18:45.04 | cydork | perlmonkey: strange. |
| 18:45.06 | naitram | c5jr: I dont like Amanda... some people use bakula, i like rsync...... But thanks |
| 18:45.11 | perlmonkey | its very annoying |
| 18:45.12 | ephemeros | **question: what is the fastest way to submit debian testing general bugs? (not specific to gnome, or something) |
| 18:45.14 | c5jr | hah sure :) |
| 18:45.18 | perlmonkey | i have no problems with xcfe |
| 18:45.19 | humbolto | enouf: I can access them via bootable CD |
| 18:45.27 | perlmonkey | only gnome is being a pain |
| 18:45.31 | humbolto | enouf: no problem whatsoever! |
| 18:45.31 | stew | ephemeros: apt-cache show reportbug |
| 18:45.32 | perlmonkey | xfce |
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| 18:45.51 | enouf | perlmonkey: can you ciompare what the livecd reports as uuids vs what your FS thinks? |
| 18:45.55 | ephemeros | stew: ok |
| 18:46.08 | stew | ephemeros: (and /msg dpkg bts) |
| 18:46.13 | perlmonkey | i dont have a live cd :-/ |
| 18:46.24 | eeyore- | c5jr: well, amanda lets you implement rotation and policies natively without any wrapper scripts |
| 18:46.38 | ephemeros | stew: what is the last command for? |
| 18:46.41 | Overflow-debian | no help guys, still no sound |
| 18:46.47 | c5jr | yeah, thats one advantage of amanda |
| 18:46.49 | stew | dpkg: tell ephemeros about bts |
| 18:46.52 | enouf | humbolto: even the mdadm stuffs .. do a dumpe2fs -h /dev/sdXX from livecd as well to see perhaps some block or superblock borkage , if it's even possible |
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| 18:47.07 | naitram | eeyore: the original question was how to back up a single machine manually, just really looking for software choices figured tar was clunkiest way and that someone knew of packages to do it more easily. New to linux, hence my appearance here. Thanks |
| 18:47.08 | ephemeros | oh! :) |
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| 18:47.30 | c5jr | depending on the nature of the data, you might get better results with rsync |
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| 18:47.38 | eeyore- | naitram: i was asking about how much data, and whether you have tape drive, etc. |
| 18:47.59 | eeyore- | c5jr: but, amanda dumper can also compress on client end or server end ;-) |
| 18:48.02 | enouf | humbolto: now, i don't know about this, but sdo you have this installed? http://packages.debian.org/oldstable/libs/uuid |
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| 18:48.28 | eeyore- | c5jr: if you have fast client, you might as well let dump client compress, but if you have i.e. fat pipe and fast server, might as well let server compress |
| 18:48.35 | c5jr | yeah, amanda can compress, but the linking doesnt work the same as rsync afaik |
| 18:48.52 | eeyore- | c5jr: "linking"? |
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| 18:49.08 | humbolto | enouf: don't have uuid installed |
| 18:49.34 | RobNyc-work | hello, im new to this stuff.. and i want to know where can I go to edit my network configurations.. i need to change from DHCP to manual |
| 18:49.34 | c5jr | if you have a backup rotation, rsync can link to previous versions of static data |
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| 18:49.45 | robin_sz | amanda is not really trying to do the same as rsync at all |
| 18:49.46 | c5jr | which can save you lots of storage space |
| 18:49.51 | enouf | humbolto: ok .. but root on raid is always risky business :-< .. you still using 2.6.8? or have you upgraded the kernel? |
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| 18:49.57 | r0otz_ | man im freaking pissed.. stupid router and its stupid DHCP.. how can i make this sucker stay at one stinkin ip |
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| 18:50.06 | xand | !tell RobNyc-work about interfaces |
| 18:50.20 | r0otz_ | 5 days static then it changes.. then 20 days static then it changes... its freakin unpredictable |
| 18:50.31 | stew | r0otz_: is this router running debian? |
| 18:50.33 | robin_sz | a debain based router? |
| 18:50.35 | sepski | r0otz_, "this sucker" ? the router, or a host on your lan ? |
| 18:50.38 | r0otz_ | enouf: yes sir |
| 18:50.39 | Overflow-debian | !tell me about interfaces |
| 18:50.40 | eeyore- | r0otz_: that's up to your ISP, no? |
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| 18:50.46 | enouf | humbolto: and there's no way you been through that whole rootraiddoc document |
| 18:50.46 | r0otz_ | oh no isp.. router |
| 18:50.49 | chovy | how do i tell if a pkg is installed or not? |
| 18:50.53 | r0otz_ | router keeps chaning my network ip address for this box |
| 18:50.58 | eeyore- | r0otz_: or, you mean the DHCP that the router hands out to local clients on the WAN |
| 18:51.04 | r0otz_ | yes sir |
| 18:51.06 | humbolto | enouf: I know the doc! |
| 18:51.10 | r0otz_ | eeyore-: that would be correct |
| 18:51.16 | RobNyc-work | no interfaces |
| 18:51.20 | eeyore- | r0otz_: if router's DHCP to clients on the LAN, then read up on how to change its "lease time" |
| 18:51.22 | r0otz_ | wan.. or lan.. in this case its lan |
| 18:51.26 | stew | r0otz_: is this router running debian? |
| 18:51.30 | xand | RobNyc-work: what? |
| 18:51.30 | eeyore- | r0otz_: or, assign specific IP to specific MAC address |
| 18:51.30 | humbolto | enouf: how do you think I set up my root raid? |
| 18:51.33 | r0otz_ | stew: yes |
| 18:51.34 | pickcoder | r0otz_: you can't dictate the lease time if the ISP owns it |
| 18:51.34 | sepski | r0otz_, assign a static ip in the dhcp config. |
| 18:51.37 | enouf | !congratulate humbolto |
| 18:51.37 | dpkg | Hugs & Puppies humbolto, you did it! |
| 18:51.38 | stew | r0otz_: which dhcp server? |
| 18:51.40 | infester | chovy: dpkg -l package |
| 18:51.41 | humbolto | enouf: It worked but does not anymore! |
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| 18:51.50 | r0otz_ | pickcoder: dont put isp into this.. isp has nothign to do with it |
| 18:51.53 | eeyore- | r0otz_: what kind of router? |
| 18:51.56 | enouf | humbolto: upgraded kernel? |
| 18:52.01 | humbolto | enouf: all this does not get me any further |
| 18:52.02 | r0otz_ | sepski: ..i think hes going in the right drection |
| 18:52.05 | enouf | humbolto: upgraded kernel? |
| 18:52.09 | r0otz_ | mm |
| 18:52.11 | humbolto | enouf: have the latest stable sarge kernel |
| 18:52.12 | r0otz_ | router is D LINK |
| 18:52.13 | robin_sz | r0otz_, you need to assing specific IP addresses to specific MAC addresses .. you can set this up the dhcpd config |
| 18:52.18 | RobNyc-work | xand, nothing i am just trying to ge tinto the eth0 setup to manually add gateway ip, ip addy |
| 18:52.21 | stew | r0otz_: which dhcp server are you running? |
| 18:52.24 | r0otz_ | mm i got dhcp3 |
| 18:52.32 | xand | RobNyc-work: did you read what dpkg told you? |
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| 18:52.40 | pickcoder | r0otz_: didn't you said it was an isp router? |
| 18:52.40 | Overflow-debian | cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp takes too long |
| 18:52.41 | stew | r0otz_: wait, its a dlink router running debian? |
| 18:52.44 | r0otz_ | i got dhclient.config |
| 18:52.47 | r0otz_ | conf |
| 18:52.51 | robin_sz | r0otz_, a D LINK router .. running debian? really? |
| 18:52.52 | Overflow-debian | is it normal |
| 18:52.56 | xand | r0otz_: either your router has a crap dhcp server, or your client isn't asking for the same address |
| 18:52.59 | humbolto | what about the /dev/.udevdb dir, can I remove it? |
| 18:53.06 | eeyore- | r0otz_: well then, either increase the lease time or hand out static IP based on MAC address (you can reserve up to <n> static IP's on most standalone boxes) |
| 18:53.07 | RobNyc-work | he ddntt tel me anything |
| 18:53.15 | xand | !interfaces |
| 18:53.15 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
| 18:53.19 | RobNyc-work | there u go |
| 18:53.24 | xand | it should have PMed it |
| 18:53.27 | r0otz_ | ill assgn it a static ip... |
| 18:53.32 | RobNyc-work | man this is hard but thanks |
| 18:53.35 | eeyore- | r0otz_: if you have a linksys router (WRT54G and other buffalo's, etc.) you can load dd-wrt and have a nice, non-buggy router :-) |
| 18:53.41 | eeyore- | (linksys firmware = crap) |
| 18:53.47 | r0otz_ | yeah dlink router.. bring all my computers together (windows) and this ONE debian 4.0 and of course connects a dsl modem |
| 18:53.51 | r0otz_ | to distribute internet |
| 18:53.52 | stew | r0otz_: dhclient.config is the client config, you are looking for the server config |
| 18:53.59 | robin_sz | eeyore-, not always true, sadly |
| 18:54.01 | eeyore- | (loads of bugs, runs out of memory, goes comatose every few days, etc.) |
| 18:54.01 | r0otz_ | stew: ok |
| 18:54.09 | h3sp4wn | dd-wrt is very buggy |
| 18:54.14 | enouf | humbolto: no idea, i only have a /dev/.udev Dir, but this is not Sarge |
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| 18:54.37 | robin_sz | and dd-wrt will only run on a very limited subset of linksys routers |
| 18:54.38 | sepski | eeyore-, openwrt is muuch better then dd-wrt |
| 18:54.55 | robin_sz | likewise openwrt |
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| 18:55.22 | xand | the newer models don't run linux anymore, and haven't different hardware |
| 18:55.24 | humbolto | is raid support compiled as a module in sarge? |
| 18:55.27 | xand | erm, have |
| 18:55.33 | eeyore- | stew: i think he's running DHCP on his dlink box, no? |
| 18:55.36 | Overflow-debian | what is the command to see groups? |
| 18:55.37 | sepski | xand, the wrt54gl works |
| 18:55.39 | stew | eeyore-: yes |
| 18:55.49 | eeyore- | sepski: oh sure, i like the GL version |
| 18:55.50 | xand | sepski: yes |
| 18:55.59 | eeyore- | sepski: and the older GS (before vxworks conversion) |
| 18:56.01 | xand | sepski: but not the non-L ones |
| 18:56.09 | xand | (non-L new ones that is) |
| 18:56.12 | sepski | yes |
| 18:56.19 | eeyore- | anything that's got vxworks on it = crap |
| 18:56.22 | xoz | Overflow-debian: same |
| 18:56.57 | robin_sz | I always find it amusing where people set their networks up to use DHCP and then set the client up to accept DHCP and then bitch that its address keeps changing ... like DUH! ... what dod you expect. Set it up with a static ip if you want to keep it locked down to an ip dude |
| 18:57.23 | xand | robin_sz: true, but it should rarely change |
| 18:57.43 | stew | and dhcp is a perfectly legit way to distribute static ips |
| 18:57.50 | eeyore- | robin_sz: it *is* pretty funny isn't it? but if implemented properly with caching and stuff, even after lease expires you should still be able to renew and get the old IP |
| 18:58.12 | robin_sz | it is , IFF you take the time to assign staic ips to mac addresses |
| 18:58.13 | stew | and his should be doing that for sure |
| 18:58.20 | enouf | humbolto: not sure about this either but man kernel-img.conf, and note the mkimage option .. use at your own risk, make backups |
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| 18:59.04 | xand | robin_sz: such things can be automated :() |
| 18:59.05 | xand | ;) |
| 18:59.05 | xand | bah, :) |
| 18:59.05 | eeyore- | stew: you know it's for more than that but people overlook what DHCP is really for, sadly |
| 18:59.05 | eeyore- | stew: s/most people/most newbies |
| 18:59.05 | robin_sz | heh |
| 18:59.27 | eeyore- | robin_sz: i do, for machines that need PXE booting and kickstart install ... i take the time, yes |
| 18:59.40 | robin_sz | there are some problems with bpxes with DHCP though ... |
| 18:59.52 | robin_sz | for example ... :) |
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| 18:59.54 | eeyore- | robin_sz: boot up computer, write down mac, walk over to edit file, reboot computer, etc. lots of work, but that's what it's for, and you do it once |
| 18:59.54 | hall_ | hi i have a package (apache2) installed, i would like it to automatically start after a reboot. How can i do this please? |
| 18:59.55 | stew | sepski: i have been infuriated when i couldn't configure monowall to give out the same ip on multiple mac addresses so i could keep the same ip on wireless or wired |
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| 19:00.27 | Overflow-debian | HELP, no sound.... alsa frustrate me... |
| 19:00.29 | sepski | hall_, it should do that automagicaly when you installed it. unless you have conflicting packages installed or you have edited /etc/defaults/apache2 |
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| 19:00.56 | robin_sz | say you have a server handing out addresses over DHCP ...a dn 4 more servers set to use DHCP for network info, and the DHCP server is configured to hand out specific, fixed ips to certain macc addresses OK? |
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| 19:00.57 | xoz | hall_: update-rc.d |
| 19:01.05 | robin_sz | and then ... one day ,the power goes off ... |
| 19:01.18 | robin_sz | and all 5 boxen come up together? OK |
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| 19:01.26 | eeyore- | robin_sz: /var/lib/dhcp/leases or some such |
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| 19:01.41 | robin_sz | except ... the DHCP server decides today is the day to run a really long fdisk on boot |
| 19:01.42 | eeyore- | robin_sz: (besides, UPS + generator) |
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| 19:02.18 | eeyore- | robin_sz: dude, you can always dream up special corner cases :-) |
| 19:02.38 | robin_sz | the other 4 boxes come up, failt o get a DHCP response, and sit there, unconfigured, ,the DHCP server comes up 5 minutes later .. but by then no one is asking it anything |
| 19:02.46 | rocketmagnet | hi, does someone know how to select a normal verdana font with the xfontsel tool ? i just get a Verdana_Bold_Italic.ttf, i just need the normal verdana =(in the -*-* style for conkyrc file) |
| 19:02.53 | robin_sz | eeyore-, no, this is what happened to me at work a few months ago |
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| 19:03.09 | eeyore- | robin_sz: well then, plan better. tune2fs -c0 -C0 -i0 /dev/... |
| 19:03.31 | robin_sz | eeyore-, sorry, nasty kludge, rejected. |
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| 19:03.45 | eeyore- | robin_sz: well then quit yer complaining |
| 19:03.56 | robin_sz | no, its a valid point ... |
| 19:04.01 | enouf | humbolto: someone didn't install dmraid, (or dmsetup) did they?, do you have an LVM over raid? |
| 19:04.04 | eeyore- | robin_sz: what, that you don't have UPS? |
| 19:04.09 | \amethyst | robin_sz: So you want none of the machines to depend on any of the others while booting? |
| 19:04.22 | robin_sz | eeyore-, sure I do, an hours worth |
| 19:04.26 | \amethyst | robin_sz: What happens if the NFS server has to fsck? same problem |
| 19:04.41 | eeyore- | ameth: by that logic, he *can't* have NFS server :-) |
| 19:04.58 | robin_sz | \amethyst, no I think the interfaces should ask for dhcp again after $someTime |
| 19:05.12 | robin_sz | if they fail to find it first time arouns |
| 19:05.14 | robin_sz | d |
| 19:05.14 | eeyore- | robin_sz: oh but they do. dhcp timeout? |
| 19:05.17 | SphereZ | Hi Someones know how to check probleme between dvd & libdvdcss ? |
| 19:05.38 | humbolto | enouf: don't need that for my software raid |
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| 19:06.09 | robin_sz | eeyore-, well, they didnt seem to for me ... after an hour I drove to the office and ifup/dn eacjh one by hand |
| 19:06.29 | enouf | i know it's not needed,.. was asking about whether it's installed |
| 19:06.33 | \amethyst | robin_sz: What DHCP client? |
| 19:06.34 | xeihin | hi guys, I have this script on debian etch http://rafb.net/p/CPrGme58.html |
| 19:06.53 | xeihin | but when I run it I get ./python_cpu: line 9: let: cpu=0+0.0: syntax error in expression (error token is ".0") |
| 19:07.13 | robin_sz | \amethyst, whatever Sarge uses when you set a network interface as dhcp |
| 19:07.47 | simonrvn_ | robin_sz: whatever's installed |
| 19:08.08 | robin_sz | im not aware of isntallign anything "special" ... |
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| 19:08.12 | Harzilein | hi there |
| 19:08.16 | Harzilein | i want to capture from an audio device (microphone now, virtual pulseaudio device later) and have the signal forwarded to a soundcard... is there a command line tool that does just that? |
| 19:08.21 | simonrvn_ | there's 3 dhcp clients i know of in debian. pick one. one by default is dhclient from isc |
| 19:08.43 | eeyore- | robin_sz: again, if you want to avoid that situation, plan ahead. use some sort of remote-controlled power distribution to remote reboot, or even KVM over IP |
| 19:08.59 | simonrvn_ | kvm over ip? wow neato |
| 19:09.08 | robin_sz | terminal server |
| 19:09.09 | \amethyst | xeihin: because bash doesn't do floating point |
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| 19:09.42 | eeyore- | robin_sz: http://cgi.ebay.com/MGE-SWCHD-PDU-208VAC-VRT-0U-I-PL6-20P-O-P-16-IEC-C13_W0QQitemZ320106499327QQihZ011QQcategoryZ16184QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem?refid=store |
| 19:09.56 | robin_sz | eeyore-, I just think the ifup thing that tries to bring up an interface, faisl and just leaves it there dead is a pit crap, thats all |
| 19:10.00 | eeyore- | simonrvn_: friggin expensive, though (kvm over IP) |
| 19:10.11 | simonrvn_ | yeh, i figured it would be =) |
| 19:10.20 | jair | quick question guys, it is ok to have a server running DHCP3 and BIND9 simultaneously? three NICs? |
| 19:10.35 | abrotman | yes |
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| 19:10.43 | simonrvn_ | why wouldn't it be? |
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| 19:11.12 | epsilon | what partitiontype should I choose for dm-crypt? |
| 19:11.12 | robin_sz | eeyore-, nah that ebay item is a windows thing |
| 19:11.12 | eeyore- | robin_sz: what? |
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| 19:11.12 | robin_sz | its for windows machines |
| 19:11.12 | eeyore- | robin_sz: it's a power distribution unit ... 208 volts, IEC 320 C-13 |
| 19:11.16 | robin_sz | its for windows machines |
| 19:11.17 | jair | abrotman: I will need three network adapters correct? unless I configure the virtual one eth0:0 |
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| 19:11.34 | madriss | i have a debian desktop and was wondering if its recommended to use a firewall and antivirus as i dont have them at the moment? |
| 19:11.35 | abrotman | jair: why? |
| 19:12.00 | robin_sz | eeyore-, like when did you ever have to pull the power on a Linux box? |
| 19:12.29 | jair | abrotman: is because I will have the ip of then server, eth0, eth1 ip of the dns server, and eth2 ip for the dhcp and range |
| 19:12.40 | hall_ | ok thanks |
| 19:12.49 | eeyore- | robin_sz: it can happen. ever heard of stuck NFS? then there'll be no remote login |
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| 19:13.07 | eeyore- | robin_sz: saying that just tells me you never push your linux boxes hard enough ... |
| 19:13.18 | jair | abrotman: so I should use the three NIcs and that's it |
| 19:13.22 | enouf | madriss: as long as you're behind a router that does NAT, you should be ok, for general uses .. not like wintendo ;-) |
| 19:13.23 | abrotman | why? |
| 19:13.27 | abrotman | jair: you don't need all that |
| 19:13.38 | robin_sz | eeyore-, I try not to build systems that fail |
| 19:13.41 | jelly-home | jair: separate nics are only needed if you have separate network segments |
| 19:13.46 | jair | abrotman: this server will be serving one network but connected to two. |
| 19:13.56 | madriss | thanks, im using it for general use. duno what wintendo is lol. and yeah i have a NAT router. what about antivirus? |
| 19:13.59 | \amethyst | jair: So you want to have three IP addresses on one server? You can do that with aliases eth0:0 eth0:1 eth0:2 etc |
| 19:14.09 | eeyore- | robin_sz: you can also run into kernel bugs where ... oh nevermind, i give up. it's not what *you* do sometimes, it's what's in the kernel, nevermind :-) |
| 19:14.16 | \amethyst | jair: Aha, so you want two network cards |
| 19:14.28 | jair | \amethyst: yes |
| 19:14.30 | jair | ;) |
| 19:14.35 | \amethyst | jair: It will be serving DHCP to one network and bind to the same network? |
| 19:14.55 | jair | because if I use the eth0:0 the trafic will go still running on one physical adapter |
| 19:15.04 | abrotman | jair: draw a picture .. and think about it |
| 19:15.07 | jair | it is that possible? |
| 19:15.18 | enouf | madriss: i have no firewall setup (and if i did, i'd use the kernels built-in IPtables), and no antivirus whatsosever ,, however if you're going to network to boxes running wintendo, and doing mail, better checkout Clamav (antivirus) |
| 19:15.53 | robin_sz | eeyore-, its usually only production machines that are remote, and production machiens run stable .... the desktops and dev boxes run testing, and thats where you find problems, |
| 19:15.54 | jair | abrotman: I am creating a diagram |
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| 19:16.06 | enouf | madriss: windows==wintendo .. in my warped mind |
| 19:16.07 | madriss | ah ok lol |
| 19:16.12 | x_link | Hi enouf! |
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| 19:16.23 | madriss | ok, just normally use windows and so naturally feel a bit unprotected when i switch on my linux box :P i use it on its own for general stuff with a router though so guess itll be ok |
| 19:16.26 | x_link | enouf: It's possible to change from Testing to Unstable/sid right? |
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| 19:16.40 | rohde_ | hi, how do I get my freshly installed Debian over to unstable? |
| 19:16.47 | enouf | madriss: fine |
| 19:16.48 | abrotman | !iyhtays |
| 19:16.48 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 19:16.50 | tarzeau | rohde_: telnet linuks.mine.nu |
| 19:16.51 | jelly-home | rohde_: why? |
| 19:16.56 | abrotman | tarzeau: STOP THAT |
| 19:17.00 | x_link | rohde_: Change to sid in your sources.list |
| 19:17.01 | enouf | x_link: yes, but not recommended |
| 19:17.03 | madriss | thanks :) |
| 19:17.05 | abrotman | tarzeau: stop fucking up people's machines |
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| 19:17.07 | mkl1525 | Hi, is there a recommendable document managment system for linux? |
| 19:17.10 | jair | jelly-home: I have two separate network segments :| but I want to know if is ok run the dhcp and dns server on the same server. |
| 19:17.23 | robin_sz | tarzeau, telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl |
| 19:17.26 | x_link | enouf: I know. I should only change the all "testing" to "sid" right? |
| 19:17.28 | rohde_ | jelly-home: I need some packages that seems to be in unstable |
| 19:17.33 | x_link | enouf: Or should I write "unstable" ? |
| 19:17.42 | madriss | mkl1525: you mean like a file/folder manager? |
| 19:17.43 | simonrvn_ | !lart tarzeau |
| 19:17.46 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 19:17.47 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead. |
| 19:17.51 | xoz | mkl1525: what specific features you want? |
| 19:18.01 | enouf | x_link: are you sure you want to upgrade the wole machine to unstable? or do you just neeed a backported package? |
| 19:18.09 | enouf | er whiole* |
| 19:18.12 | enouf | bah |
| 19:18.14 | simonrvn_ | IT'S NOT A FRICKING UPGRADE |
| 19:18.15 | jelly-home | jair: you can run whatever services you want, I don't see why it should be a problem |
| 19:18.20 | madriss | mkl1525: if so , up to your preference of course but i recently tried Thunar and love it |
| 19:18.28 | x_link | enouf: I just made a backup on this Testing machine, I want want to try out Sid. |
| 19:18.31 | enouf | er move? |
| 19:18.34 | x_link | enouf: Just so try it out. Nothing more. |
| 19:18.35 | enouf | uh add? |
| 19:18.40 | enouf | maybe release |
| 19:18.42 | \amethyst | simonrvn_: It's an upgrade of the packages :) |
| 19:18.50 | \amethyst | not necessarily of the system |
| 19:18.51 | jair | jelly-home: ok, Thank you, you and abrotman aggre in that Debian can have both services without issues. :) |
| 19:18.55 | x_link | enouf: So I should just change all "tesing" to "unstable" or "sid" ? |
| 19:18.58 | abrotman | x_link: please don't do it |
| 19:18.59 | enouf | ahhh .. "jump" .. yeah that's it! |
| 19:18.59 | jelly-home | simonrvn_: it's a perpetual upgrade! |
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| 19:19.09 | enouf | x_link: jump to sid |
| 19:19.14 | cydork | x_link: DONT DO IT!! |
| 19:19.14 | simonrvn_ | perpetual updates... |
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| 19:19.33 | jair | jelly-home: eth0 will be configure for the server, eth1=dhcp and eth2=bind9 |
| 19:19.37 | enouf | x_link: that's just a term, and not serious .. do not _______ to sid |
| 19:19.39 | abrotman | enouf: stop |
| 19:19.41 | jair | jelly-home: sounds good? |
| 19:19.47 | enouf | !aolify abrotman |
| 19:19.55 | enouf | pstfu |
| 19:19.58 | simonrvn_ | !lart enouf |
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| 19:20.08 | jelly-home | jair: I thought you said you only have two physical segments |
| 19:20.11 | tarzeau | you can send them over to #debian-sid if they annoy you, abrotman |
| 19:20.12 | enouf | what the fuck? pussy time? |
| 19:20.12 | abrotman | tarzeau: why .. because you're in the same class as enouf? |
| 19:20.13 | simonrvn_ | er? |
| 19:20.17 | abrotman | tarzeau: no .. |
| 19:20.21 | abrotman | tarzeau: you annoy me :) |
| 19:20.23 | eeyore- | enouf: play nice |
| 19:20.23 | tarzeau | abrotman: i never said i was so |
| 19:20.29 | abrotman | you are |
| 19:20.38 | jair | jelly-home: physical segments are physical networks? |
| 19:20.40 | tarzeau | abrotman: sure, i'm a happy sid user |
| 19:20.44 | eeyore- | hey, guys, relax :-) |
| 19:20.46 | abrotman | tarzeau: good for YOU .. |
| 19:20.47 | stew | can you guys take the lover's quarrel elsewhere |
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| 19:20.51 | tarzeau | abrotman: for nothing on earth i'd use stable, or testing |
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| 19:20.56 | eeyore- | i'm in the sid camp too ... |
| 19:20.57 | jair | there are three though and three network cards |
| 19:20.58 | enouf | i get jumped on for using the term upgrade? .. hehe.. i AM being nice eeyore- ;-) |
| 19:21.06 | SoftIce | has anyone been able to migrate a ubuntu system to a debian system through a simple apt-get / aptitude? |
| 19:21.11 | \amethyst | jelly-home: Three physical networks? |
| 19:21.13 | abrotman | SoftIce: you can't |
| 19:21.16 | \amethyst | oop |
| 19:21.16 | tarzeau | SoftIce: yes, using this script |
| 19:21.20 | \amethyst | jair: Three physical networks? |
| 19:21.23 | stew | SoftIce: its not something we'd support |
| 19:21.24 | x_link | enouf: Okej, so I will just change it to "unstable". |
| 19:21.34 | x_link | I was just wondering if I should write "unstable" or "sid". |
| 19:21.36 | tarzeau | SoftIce: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ubuntu/uncurse |
| 19:21.41 | eeyore- | SoftIce: yeah, we hardly support anything but that's besides the point ;-) |
| 19:21.42 | abrotman | SoftIce: you'll end up with a bad mix .. which neither ubuntu or debian will support |
| 19:21.43 | stew | x_link: they are identical |
| 19:21.45 | jair | jelly-home: actually, I think that eth0 is in the same segment as the dns |
| 19:21.55 | tarzeau | eeyore-: it really works, i did so :) |
| 19:22.00 | simonrvn_ | SoftIce: not with apt-get, and not simple with aptitude. might as well not do it if you lack experience |
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| 19:22.06 | jair | \amethyst: I mean I have three nics on my server |
| 19:22.06 | x_link | stew: Yeah I know, but I didn't know which one I should write. |
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| 19:22.09 | eeyore- | tarzeau: well i like sid, except when it breaks :-) |
| 19:22.16 | tarzeau | simonrvn_: it really works http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ubuntu/uncurse |
| 19:22.19 | \amethyst | jair: And you're going to be using all three? |
| 19:22.19 | stew | SoftIce: if you use that script, you should not ask for help in here. you should only seek help directly from tarzeau |
| 19:22.22 | tarzeau | eeyore-: it ever broke? |
| 19:22.28 | simonrvn_ | ...and i wouldn't trust a script to do it either... |
| 19:22.31 | jair | let me try to figure out the network configuration here. |
| 19:22.31 | eeyore- | tarzeau: usually it's most annoying when packages aren't all uploaded to the repository yet (so you get unsatisfiable updates) |
| 19:22.34 | solemnwarning | Can programs licensed under the BSD be included in GPL distributions like Debian? |
| 19:22.43 | abrotman | solemnwarning: see postgresql |
| 19:22.43 | tarzeau | eeyore-: make them yourself? :) |
| 19:22.48 | \amethyst | solemnwarning: Debian isn't a "GPL distribution" |
| 19:22.49 | tarzeau | SoftIce: yes |
| 19:22.50 | eeyore- | tarzeau: ha! |
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| 19:22.55 | SoftIce | tarzeau: how many pakages did you have on the box before you ran the script? |
| 19:22.55 | jair | \amethyst: I will see, do you need one ;) |
| 19:23.01 | Hyperi | I'm having problem with my time, which NTP package should I be installing? |
| 19:23.04 | tarzeau | SoftIce: i don't know, it wasn't my box :) |
| 19:23.04 | eeyore- | tarzeau: *THAT* my friend is why i run gentoo on my personal machines now |
| 19:23.06 | \amethyst | jair: I don't know what your network looks like |
| 19:23.07 | abrotman | SoftIce: please don't use that script |
| 19:23.15 | xoz | solemnwarning: yes |
| 19:23.18 | \amethyst | solemnwarning: GPL doesn't apply to "mere aggregation" |
| 19:23.20 | solemnwarning | k |
| 19:23.33 | xeihin | how can I handdlep floating point numbers in a bash script? |
| 19:23.37 | eeyore- | tarzeau: work machines are still RHEL3/4 and sid ... oh and one gentoo, but that's the exception |
| 19:23.52 | jair | \amethyst: I am drawing a diagram as soon as I finish it I will give you the link |
| 19:23.52 | SoftIce | well I can't get the box re-installed |
| 19:23.56 | tarzeau | eeyore-: i'm so glad i don't need to use rpm... |
| 19:23.57 | SoftIce | and im sick of the lack of packages ubuntu has |
| 19:24.03 | EdLin | eeyore-: gentoo is abandonware |
| 19:24.04 | jair | or to anyone that wanted to collaborate |
| 19:24.06 | mkl1525 | xoz, I'd need: easy way to "import" documents, access rights, web-interface for cross platform use |
| 19:24.09 | stew | xeihin: http://wooledge.org/mywiki/BashFAQ |
| 19:24.11 | tarzeau | SoftIce: go ahead and use my script, rest in #debian-sid |
| 19:24.11 | abrotman | bah .. pgsql changed the license |
| 19:24.12 | eeyore- | EdLin: huh? |
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| 19:24.22 | EdLin | eeyore-: well, if it's not, it should be. ;-) |
| 19:24.37 | x_link | enouf: Should I restart my computer after changing to Sid? |
| 19:24.40 | SoftIce | tarzeau: so you have not used this script yourself? |
| 19:24.44 | EdLin | but that's OT |
| 19:24.45 | tarzeau | SoftIce: yes of course i have |
| 19:24.57 | stew | SoftIce: tarzeau: please take it to #ubuntu |
| 19:24.59 | EdLin | x_link: if you want to use a sid kernel |
| 19:25.03 | xoz | mkl1525: explain more. |
| 19:25.06 | tarzeau | SoftIce: but i only had one ubuntu machine where the owner didn't lock the machine |
| 19:25.16 | x_link | EdLin: I'm using 2.6.18-4-k7 right now. Is that okey? |
| 19:25.21 | SoftIce | k there |
| 19:25.22 | \amethyst | xeihin: cpu=`echo $cpu + $proceso_cpu | bc` maybe |
| 19:25.34 | EdLin | x_link: depends upon if udev and so on still work with the old kernel. |
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| 19:25.44 | x_link | EdLin: hmm ok. |
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| 19:26.35 | jelly-home | xeihin: wcalc is nice too, wcalc -q 2.3+3.4 |
| 19:26.58 | r0otz_ | stew: nothing in my dhcpclient.conf that says static.. i got alias and lease though .. and supercede and prepend |
| 19:26.59 | xoz | xeihin: use bc -l for floating point |
| 19:27.02 | simonrvn_ | wait 7 years, and that won't even matter anymore |
| 19:27.10 | jelly-home | EdLin: I'm with you on the xml part |
| 19:27.10 | simonrvn_ | EdLin: ^^^ |
| 19:27.12 | enouf | abrotman: you got a personal issue with me man? |
| 19:27.13 | xeihin | ley mi try |
| 19:27.23 | jelly-home | EdLin: udev is a nice idea though |
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| 19:27.28 | enouf | abrotman: same "class"? |
| 19:27.30 | stew | r0otz_: that is the client configuration, you should be changing the server configuration in /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf |
| 19:27.30 | EdLin | simonrvn_: it will take 7 years to get rid of udev, or XML? Hopefully both. |
| 19:27.38 | simonrvn_ | udev got better... but i still won't use it on a server |
| 19:27.39 | x_link | Does Sid crash really often or what? |
| 19:27.46 | mkl1525 | xoz, I've many documents for different projects that I'd like to have archived for my colleagues (pdf, pictures, doc), there should be access controls so I can permit a group of users to access only specific documents and a powerful search function to find the docs again would be nice too |
| 19:27.47 | r0otz_ | stew: there isnt dhcpd.conf |
| 19:27.57 | \amethyst | EdLin: Replacing XML with what? |
| 19:28.04 | stew | r0otz_: did you remove it? you said you were running the dhcp3 dhcp server |
| 19:28.04 | solemnwarning | simonrvn_: Why? |
| 19:28.06 | simonrvn_ | x_link: no. crash? crash how? |
| 19:28.07 | EdLin | \amethyst: compressed s-expressions |
| 19:28.09 | r0otz_ | no |
| 19:28.22 | stew | r0otz_: how did you install the dhcp server? |
| 19:28.23 | r0otz_ | stew: only /etc/dhcp3/dhcpclient.conf |
| 19:28.23 | xoz | mkl1525: have you tried plone? |
| 19:28.27 | simonrvn_ | x_link: this isn't windows ;) |
| 19:28.27 | abrotman | enouf: personal .. no |
| 19:28.29 | x_link | simonrvn_: Well...hrmm. I don't know hehe ;D |
| 19:28.31 | x_link | simonrvn_: I know ;D |
| 19:28.39 | xeihin | how can I fix this? let c=2.2+2 |
| 19:28.39 | xeihin | bash: let: c=2.2+2: syntax error in expression (error token is ".2+2") |
| 19:28.42 | \amethyst | EdLin: there are faster ways to serialize a tree :) |
| 19:28.42 | r0otz_ | stew: aptitude |
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| 19:28.50 | r0otz_ | stew: debian lamp server tutorial |
| 19:29.02 | stew | r0otz_: what version of dhcp3-server is installed? |
| 19:29.03 | enouf | abrotman: ok, what sort of class isi it you think i am in? |
| 19:29.04 | eeyore- | x_link: "crash often" = not that i know of. it's the "other things" about sid that breaks. but, usually not crash, ever |
| 19:29.10 | abrotman | enouf: knock it off |
| 19:29.19 | x_link | eeyore-: Okej, which stuff is that breaks? |
| 19:29.22 | mkl1525 | xoz, no but I'll have a look thanks (using mediawiki atm) |
| 19:29.28 | eeyore- | x_link: and for the record, i use sid to serve files to paying and eval customers --- that's about as mission critical as you can get :-) |
| 19:29.29 | r0otz_ | stew: ahh how can i check ? |
| 19:29.37 | mattl | mkl1525: come to #plone :) |
| 19:29.47 | x_link | eeyore-: hehe ok. |
| 19:29.55 | eeyore- | x_link: sometimes it's (for me anyway) in the php/apache modules compatibility, sometimes it's in unmet dependencies |
| 19:29.57 | r0otz_ | ok cache policy |
| 19:30.02 | r0otz_ | stew: .. dhcp3-server not instaleld |
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| 19:30.08 | \amethyst | EdLin: Ideally you want a format that you can perform xpath (or its equivalent) on without having to process the whole file |
| 19:30.10 | r0otz_ | stew: thats what it says for dhcp3-server |
| 19:30.10 | x_link | eeyore-: I'm the worst Linux newb you can meet. I don't know much about Linux at all. |
| 19:30.18 | x_link | eeyore-: Okej. |
| 19:30.20 | stew | r0otz_: uhh, then what makes you say you are running the dhcp3 server? |
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| 19:30.29 | xeihin | how can I sum this? |
| 19:30.30 | xeihin | let c=2.2+2 |
| 19:30.30 | xeihin | bash: let: c=2.2+2: syntax error in expression (error token is ".2+2") |
| 19:30.36 | eeyore- | x_link: but, so far, in neary ten years of sid, i can't say it has ever "crashed" on me |
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| 19:30.38 | jelly-home | \amethyst: but really, _anything_ is more readable than xml, complicated parsers or not |
| 19:30.40 | r0otz_ | stew: cuz its located in /etc/dhcp3 |
| 19:30.51 | stew | r0otz_: how did you install it? |
| 19:30.54 | r0otz_ | stew: i got no clue.. now im all screwewd up |
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| 19:30.54 | \amethyst | xeihin: c=`echo 2.2+2 | bc` |
| 19:30.55 | eeyore- | x_link: the *closest* call i can blame sid on is the upgrade of mysql. but that is special case. |
| 19:30.58 | streuner | xeihin: #bash |
| 19:30.59 | x_link | eeyore-: Okej. |
| 19:31.03 | xeihin | xD |
| 19:31.03 | r0otz_ | stew: some dhcp is installed now i dont know what |
| 19:31.12 | stew | r0otz_: which dhcp server do you have installed? |
| 19:31.25 | x_link | eeyore-: Well I'm not a very advanced user like I just said. So when something happens I don't know how to fix it good. |
| 19:31.37 | r0otz_ | stew: i dont know, how can i check? other then apt-cache policy daemon |
| 19:31.44 | eeyore- | x_link: i hadn't updated in a *long* time and when i upgraded, mysql dropped support for my old table format so i have no access to old data. but the fix was simple. go grab old mysql, do the table conversion, update mysql, and off it went. THAT was the only time i got stressed upgrading sid ... |
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| 19:31.58 | eeyore- | x_link: then sid is NOT for you :-) |
| 19:32.01 | \amethyst | jelly-home: relational DBs are less readable than xml :) |
| 19:32.01 | Overflow-debian | stew pls help i still got no sound |
| 19:32.10 | EdLin | \amethyst: yeah. It's too bad the W3C stuck their nose in the data business. |
| 19:32.12 | r0otz_ | stew: if i have /etc/dhcp3/ wouldnt that be installed? |
| 19:32.14 | Overflow-debian | i did anything possible |
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| 19:32.27 | x_link | eeyore-: I know, I just want to try it out. |
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| 19:32.28 | EdLin | \amethyst: basically XML is a hack based on a hack |
| 19:32.35 | jelly-home | \amethyst: at least you have none of those stuck in /etc |
| 19:33.02 | EdLin | \amethyst: based on a *document* format. |
| 19:33.02 | x_link | eeyore-: I have a backup on my Testing system, so it's okej. |
| 19:33.02 | eeyore- | x_link: for what conceivable purpose? latest software? |
| 19:33.02 | stew | r0otz_: are you looking at the dhcp client or the dhcp server? you said that you had /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf |
| 19:33.02 | enouf | abrotman: just watch what you say man ... and do not refer to me when dealing with others .. Full Stop |
| 19:33.02 | x_link | eeyore-: Well I honestly can't say |
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| 19:33.03 | x_link | eeyore-: Just want to try =) |
| 19:33.08 | abrotman | enouf: right .. knock it off :) |
| 19:33.15 | r0otz_ | stew: yes i have /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf |
| 19:33.45 | stew | r0otz_: "netstat -plunt | grep :67" on the dhcp server should tell you which dhcp server you are running |
| 19:33.46 | EdLin | jelly-home: yes, you do. some email servers use db files. |
| 19:33.59 | \amethyst | jelly-home: not in /etc, but some people do have configuration kept in such places :) |
| 19:34.41 | r0otz_ | stew: that wont work.. |
| 19:34.48 | stew | r0otz_: huh? why not? |
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| 19:35.01 | jelly-home | EdLin: well binary hashes are not meant for human consumption and usually have readable equivalents |
| 19:35.08 | EdLin | jelly-home: true. |
| 19:35.28 | eeyore- | OK here's how i see it (WRT sid): it's nice, it's shiny, and honestly it doesn't break very often. But, is it for beginners? No. Is it for lazy people who can't figure out problems on their own? No. Is it really all that bad like people make it out to be? No. |
| 19:35.30 | abrotman | but when it breaks .. i can break horribly |
| 19:35.39 | EdLin | jelly-home: I'm not sure if you'd call XML "readable", it's certainly not humanely editable, which is what I was refering to. |
| 19:35.48 | jelly-home | abrotman: don't break horribly! |
| 19:35.55 | eeyore- | abrotman: for me, once in nearly ten years? Come on, that doesn't even register on my radar :-) |
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| 19:36.07 | abrotman | eeyore-: define "horribly" :) |
| 19:36.15 | \amethyst | EdLin: What do you mean by "editable" |
| 19:36.29 | \amethyst | EdLin: I guess you mean it's no fun to edit as a stream of bytes? |
| 19:36.30 | eeyore- | abrotman: if i had to get anxious about it, it's "breaking horribly" (see above for mysql update that doesn't support old table format) |
| 19:36.39 | EdLin | \amethyst: anything in /etc or dot-files in general should be editable. |
| 19:36.46 | abrotman | eeyore-: that's horrible for some |
| 19:36.52 | \amethyst | EdLin: You mean editable by a text editor, right? |
| 19:37.00 | eeyore- | abrotman: but, that's only ONE time in all these years :-) |
| 19:37.03 | EdLin | \amethyst: well, this is Unix, isn't it? |
| 19:37.18 | eeyore- | abrotman: and the fix was pretty much available ... so no, that doesn't really count |
| 19:37.20 | damog | Uni* |
| 19:37.28 | damog | *nix |
| 19:37.30 | r0otz_ | stew: no idea it doesnt return antying ot me |
| 19:37.32 | r0otz_ | stew: even as root |
| 19:37.36 | EdLin | damog: Unix(tm), sorry. |
| 19:37.43 | stew | r0otz_: then you are not running a dhcp server |
| 19:37.47 | damog | EdLin: Correct. |
| 19:37.56 | chop1 | eeyore-: I've had sid break a few times where it was wedged into a state where I had to manually hack packages around in order to get it into an updatable state again |
| 19:37.59 | r0otz_ | stew: coban:/etc/dhcp3# netstat -plunt | grep :67 |
| 19:38.00 | r0otz_ | coban:/etc/dhcp3# |
| 19:38.22 | r0otz_ | stew: damn i thought i did. i need dhcp server in order to turn this dhcp to static? |
| 19:38.28 | EdLin | damog: heaven forbid that AT&T lose their trademark. |
| 19:38.30 | chop1 | eeyore-: That's nothing you want to spring even a relatively skilled Linux user unless you educate them about the danger first |
| 19:38.38 | damog | Heh. |
| 19:38.40 | xoz | using sid means you have to play around /var/lib/dpkg/ files some of the time |
| 19:38.44 | eeyore- | abrotman: now contrast that with this: i have Veritas netback shit that breaks like once a month. Either that or the SpectraLogic spectra2k robotic tape library we paid good money for. Commercial junk like this that breaks. THAT gives me more anxiety than sid breaking :-) |
| 19:38.51 | stew | r0otz_: is this really the router you are running these commands on? |
| 19:39.09 | damog | xoz: But once in a very long while. |
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| 19:39.11 | damog | Sometimes. |
| 19:39.16 | r0otz_ | stew: i dont understand ur queston stew... yes D-Link router |
| 19:39.17 | \amethyst | EdLin: I'm pretty sure it hasn't been AT&T's trademark in a long time |
| 19:39.17 | stew | r0otz_: your original question was about your getting different ips from your dhcp server. so you must be running a dhcp server already |
| 19:39.23 | Overflow-debian | how do i foce alsa to use a different soundcard |
| 19:39.34 | EdLin | \amethyst: true, it's Open Group or something. |
| 19:39.36 | abrotman | eeyore-: because you know your way around sid .. newbs don't .. |
| 19:39.43 | r0otz_ | stew: well the thing is i have arouter k.. and every once in a while it changes internal (network) ip addres on em |
| 19:39.47 | eeyore- | chop1: pre/post install script and "exit 0" are your friends :-) |
| 19:39.48 | SoftIce | does anyone have any working tested preseed files for a remote re-instllation to a debian installation with ip configuration, ssh instalation ,etc |
| 19:39.51 | \amethyst | EdLin: and Novell before that |
| 19:39.56 | r0otz_ | stew: then my ass has to loginto the modem. and forward every stinkin port all over again |
| 19:39.59 | Overflow-debian | how do i force alsa to use a different soundcard? |
| 19:40.01 | chop1 | eeyore-: Right, and if the Debian project handed stuff like that to its users without warning them... we'd feel bad about ourselves :-) |
| 19:40.07 | r0otz_ | stew: so i can connect to ftp, ssh etc daeomons via my house =)) |
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| 19:40.16 | EdLin | \amethyst: yeah, and Novell's rights with Unix(tm), though not that one, have been useful in the SCO case. |
| 19:40.36 | \amethyst | EdLin: it's (R) btw |
| 19:40.39 | eeyore- | chop1: right, so it's not for newbies necessarily but i can't possibly agree that it's really as bad as you all make it out to be :-) |
| 19:40.40 | r0otz_ | stew: but if im at home and in the mean time router applys a different network ip to this debian box.. i gota go mess with modem port forwarding |
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| 19:40.54 | \amethyst | ® |
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| 19:40.55 | r0otz_ | stew: i hope that clear it up a bit |
| 19:40.55 | stew | r0otz_: oh is the modem the thing that is running the dhcp server? |
| 19:40.59 | xoz | and novell is kissing ass of microsoft now |
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| 19:41.16 | stew | r0otz_: becuase your router clearly isn't. and some machine is clearly running a dhcp server |
| 19:41.16 | EdLin | xoz: I think Novell didn't know what they were getting in to. |
| 19:41.17 | purplepenguins | hello |
| 19:41.20 | r0otz_ | stew: .. dsl modem? im not sure.. but something keeps chaning my Network IP .. i know about the ISP ip .. itsn ot static |
| 19:41.28 | purplepenguins | is etch available on a single DVD? |
| 19:41.34 | xoz | novell + sco + microsoft ... eewww |
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| 19:41.48 | xoz | EdLin: making pact with the *devil*, heh |
| 19:41.51 | EdLin | xoz: Novell has continued going against sco in their suit against IBM. |
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| 19:42.09 | r0otz_ | stew: something changes my internal IP address once ina while.. sometimes twice a day sometetimes once in a month |
| 19:42.12 | stew | r0otz_: is the ISP ip the one that is changing, is that the one you are asking about? |
| 19:42.13 | grendelson | what is the cmd to check the superblock on partitions - I have some LVM LVs that I can see but cant mount due to bad superblock... |
| 19:42.14 | purplepenguins | the debian torrent tracker lists three different dvd's |
| 19:42.19 | EdLin | xoz: I think Novell made a big mistake with making a deal with MS, but wrt SCO they've been consistent. |
| 19:42.21 | r0otz_ | stew: no sir |
| 19:42.25 | purplepenguins | can you install with just one? |
| 19:42.38 | r0otz_ | stew: isp ip is not static.. not unless i buy so that one i know about.. but its the other ip the network ip |
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| 19:42.44 | stew | r0otz_: yes, its your dhcp server, which you said was running on your router which runs dhcp3, but that is aparantely not the case |
| 19:42.46 | xoz | EdLin: well, it is still remains to be seen at the end. money speaks |
| 19:42.46 | r0otz_ | stew: the local ip address.. even if u dont have isp |
| 19:42.49 | chop1 | eeyore-: I think it's a matter of communication expectations... no one at Debian thinks "sid is awful, we are ashamed" that I know of. The "stay away from sid unless you can handle breakage" is more a warning to keep people from innocently installing sid and then thinking bad of Debian because they have to do awful hackery to recover their system when it trips over a postinst and dies. |
| 19:43.00 | stew | r0otz_: you need to figure out which of your machines is running a dhcp server then |
| 19:43.04 | r0otz_ | stew: what shall i do to it then? yes hdcp running on router ur right |
| 19:43.05 | chop1 | eeyore-: Lord knows we get enough people using sid and bitching about bugs as it is |
| 19:43.18 | xoz | EdLin: what do you think is the motivation behind ms deal? |
| 19:43.18 | stew | r0otz_: hdcp? you mean dhcp? |
| 19:43.22 | purplepenguins | I remember installing sarge back in the day |
| 19:43.27 | EdLin | xoz: easy money. |
| 19:43.28 | r0otz_ | stew: how do i do that? i mean this one is theo nly one thats linux the rest of the network is all wndows |
| 19:43.32 | r0otz_ | stew: dhcp sorry |
| 19:43.38 | xoz | EdLin: yep |
| 19:43.39 | chop1 | eeyore-: I like to see them on IRC -- proudly announcing that some package or other is misbehaving as if they expect us to spring into action and fix it in real time for them :-) |
| 19:43.50 | \amethyst | EdLin: actually, what would be nice would be to model an XML document as a filesystem |
| 19:43.55 | purplepenguins | so, anyone? |
| 19:44.04 | stew | r0otz_: no, your router is not running dhcp, or else "netstat -plunt | grep :67" would tell you |
| 19:44.12 | EdLin | \amethyst: you've been playing with FUSE, eh? :-) |
| 19:44.16 | alleyoopster | purplepenguins: you can get an install from just cd1 if you need to. DVD I have never used |
| 19:44.25 | purplepenguins | okay, that is what I thought |
| 19:44.28 | purplepenguins | 1 CD it is |
| 19:44.34 | \amethyst | EdLin: Yeah. I think "everything is a filesystem" might be a better model than "everything is a file" |
| 19:44.35 | r0otz_ | stew: damn.. so windows has dhcp?? |
| 19:44.36 | purplepenguins | thanks :) |
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| 19:44.50 | EdLin | \amethyst: could be. |
| 19:44.54 | r0otz_ | stew: so one of the computers on the network is running dhcp? |
| 19:45.06 | r0otz_ | stew: its not this one? (running irssi + screen on debian 4.0) |
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| 19:45.08 | EdLin | \amethyst: but then you lose some transparancy and simplicity. |
| 19:45.11 | alleyoopster | purplepenguins : there are alternative CD 1 for xfce or kde |
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| 19:45.35 | \amethyst | EdLin: in the simple cases, a filesystem would provide just a single file as its root :) |
| 19:46.34 | stew | r0otz_: i dont' know. some machine on your network is running a dhcp server. it is definately not your router. if the only other thing you have on the network on your side of the router is windows machines, then yes, windows is running a dhcp server |
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| 19:46.45 | stew | r0otz_: personnaly, i think you are probably confused |
| 19:47.17 | r0otz_ | stew: cant be confused.. something keeps chaning internal ip .. it has been for a while |
| 19:47.20 | stew | r0otz_: for instance. you are the first person i've ever heard of running debian on a dlink router |
| 19:47.42 | stew | r0otz_: how did you get debian onto it? |
| 19:47.43 | r0otz_ | stew: why? haha |
| 19:47.55 | stew | i just didn't know it was possible |
| 19:47.57 | anonymouz666 | anyone know how to use udev to automatically detected when the USB hard drive got disconnect and umount it? |
| 19:48.01 | r0otz_ | stew: i dont get it.. running debian on a d link router.. i had a windows network already.. |
| 19:48.10 | r0otz_ | stew: took one of my best machiens and dual booted debian 4.0 |
| 19:48.27 | r0otz_ | stew: still got windows installed on the same machine where debian is installed.. network was already there connected with d link router... |
| 19:48.40 | \amethyst | EdLin: you would gain a lot more simplicity... echo, rm, mkdir, and rmdir to modify gconf schemas for example |
| 19:48.48 | stew | r0otz_: wait you only have one machine running debian? |
| 19:49.03 | r0otz_ | stew: yes |
| 19:49.04 | stew | r0otz_: and that machine is NOT the dlink router? |
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| 19:49.33 | perlmonkey | hi guys |
| 19:49.56 | r0otz_ | stew: im confused now.. what do u mean this machine is not the dlink router? its a computer of course its not a router |
| 19:49.56 | stew | becuase i know you didn't install windows on your dlink router |
| 19:50.05 | stew | ugh wtf. i asked him like 3 times if he was running debian on his router and he said yes |
| 19:50.13 | perlmonkey | i'm unable to start apps in xfce since switching to a mounted/shared /home user folder... is it a bad idea to do that? |
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| 19:50.23 | stew | 13:51 < stew> r0otz_: is this router running debian? 13:51 < r0otz_> stew: yes 13:52 < stew> r0otz_: which dhcp server are you running? 13:52 < r0otz_> mm i got dhcp3 14:38 < stew> r0otz_: is this really the router you are running these commands on? 14:39 < r0otz_>...yes D-Link router |
| 19:50.48 | stew | what a waste of my time |
| 19:51.14 | sepski | so he's running 2 dhcp servers? one on the dlink and one on his host, and complains his box changes ip address ? |
| 19:51.14 | CharminTheMoose | stew, isn't everything a waste of time? |
| 19:51.17 | CharminTheMoose | ;) |
| 19:51.40 | stew | sepski: he's not running 2 dhcp servers |
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| 19:58.00 | sepski | where did dhcp3 come from then ? |
| 19:58.00 | stew | sepski: his client |
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| 19:58.02 | perlmonkey | hi |
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| 19:58.02 | perlmonkey | sepski :) |
| 19:58.02 | sepski | ahh -client :) |
| 19:58.04 | r0otz_ | haha... |
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| 19:58.07 | r0otz_ | its not a waste of time.. we are trying to figre it out |
| 19:58.09 | sterling | What's everyone's favorite cli irc client? |
| 19:58.09 | sterling | ls |
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| 19:58.10 | reber | hi |
| 19:58.10 | r0otz_ | now im fuckedu p and totaly confused |
| 19:58.10 | jmf | irssi |
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| 19:58.11 | r0otz_ | running 2 dhcp servers |
| 19:58.11 | stew | r0otz_: your probablem has nothing to do with debian |
| 19:58.11 | reber | how can i install phppgadmin with *postgresql-8.x* on etch ? |
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| 19:58.12 | r0otz_ | stew: ok |
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| 19:58.12 | stew | r0otz_: which you lied about before, causing me to waste my time trying to diagnose the non-existant dchp3 server on your non-existant debian router |
| 19:58.12 | sterling | what makes irssi better than bitchx for example? |
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| 19:58.13 | xand | sterling: easier to use etc |
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| 19:58.13 | alleyoopster | ampex: many like screen i use urxvt |
| 19:58.14 | _Rubyxx | I am new to debian......My Iso install images for Debian seem to take up three 4.3 GB DVDs. Is all of that necessary? Nothing I have ever loaded b4 has required so much. |
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| 19:58.14 | ampex | _Rubyxx: just download the net install iso |
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| 19:58.15 | alleyoopster | ampex: and i realised i am answering the wrong question, irssi is the real answer |
| 19:58.17 | scarface | is it neccessary to configure anything after installing ktorrent like firewalls or forward ports on my local machine? |
| 19:58.20 | sepski | _Rubyxx, no thats just extra software that you may (or may not) install if you need it use the netinstall instead |
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| 19:58.25 | x_link | scarface: I didn't configure anything when I installed Ktorrent. |
| 19:58.26 | EdLin | \amethyst: you could gain that simplicity without making gconf into a filesystem. |
| 19:59.33 | _Rubyxx | Em! I want to install a dual boot system, so I am worried that a net install may leave me out of control of the process. Besides my other PC is on a Windows network - so the net connection may fail |
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| 19:59.33 | scarface | x_link: ok good, I just needed to set the ports correctly but I thought maybe there are some certain things internally to set |
| 19:59.33 | x_link | scarface: I just configured my Max. Upload limit and so on and which dir. I wanted all downloads to go to. That's all. |
| 19:59.33 | x_link | scarface: Not for me anyway- |
| 19:59.33 | x_link | I use Firestarter as firewall. |
| 19:59.33 | x_link | And I didn't have to do anything. |
| 19:59.34 | EdLin | _Rubyxx: use a full CD then, you don't have to download all of them. |
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| 20:01.10 | _Rubyxx | Well I already have DVDs 1 and 2. I'm waiting for no3.....but does 3 X 4.3 GB DVDs mean I need about 15 GB space on my Hard drive? |
| 20:01.17 | Overflow-debian | how do force alsa to use "alalog devices" sound card instead of "intel ICH4" |
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| 20:01.42 | sepski | _Rubyxx, you only need the first dvd in any case. |
| 20:01.51 | _Rubyxx | ok |
| 20:02.01 | sepski | _Rubyxx, and that's all packaged files it will take a lot more space then that on your harddrive unpacked |
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| 20:02.28 | xjkx | i want to install lazarus is it free? |
| 20:02.34 | sepski | and it's not even possible to install all of it, becouse there are multiple versions of the same tools that you can not install at the same time. |
| 20:02.58 | h3sp4wn | Overflow-debian: options snd-hda-intel index=-2 (presuming alalog devices is a seperate card) (replace snd-hda-intel with whatever intel ich4 is) add to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base |
| 20:03.01 | sepski | that's why the netinstall is the best option, that way you only download the packages you need. and not all the other packages you dont need on the dvd's |
| 20:03.15 | x_link | hrmm |
| 20:03.30 | x_link | I just changed to Sid and did aptitude update, aptitude upgrade and dist-upgrade. |
| 20:03.43 | x_link | Then I did deborphan | xargs aptitude purge. |
| 20:03.56 | x_link | It removed KControl, so I can't open Control Center anyway. |
| 20:04.06 | x_link | How is it possible that it removes Control Center? |
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| 20:04.21 | Overflow-debian | sorry, can you elaborate? |
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| 20:04.42 | h3sp4wn | Overflow-debian: maybe if you do so I know what you are talking about first |
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| 20:06.02 | hall_ | what should i add to my sources list to get packages listed as 'oldstable' eg webmin? |
| 20:06.22 | Overflow-debian | is options a command? |
| 20:06.42 | h3sp4wn | Overflow-debian: no |
| 20:06.53 | h3sp4wn | Overflow-debian: look at /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base |
| 20:07.37 | Overflow-debian | it is options snd-intel8x0m index=-2 |
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| 20:07.54 | Overflow-debian | sorr for tha ignorance |
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| 20:08.24 | h3sp4wn | If that is the one you don't want to be the main soundcard yes (presuming the analog devices one is another card) |
| 20:08.35 | Overflow-debian | yes |
| 20:09.05 | Overflow-debian | how do i fix that? |
| 20:09.11 | _Rubyxx | Ok thanks all |
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| 20:09.18 | Overflow-debian | to use a different card. |
| 20:09.32 | perlmonkey | what happens if the same linux user logs in twice |
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| 20:09.50 | h3sp4wn | Overflow-debian: It will be fixed if that doesn't grab index 0 |
| 20:10.12 | h3sp4wn | Overflow-debian: just add that line to the bottom of /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base - maybe you should read some alsa documentation |
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| 20:10.49 | Overflow-debian | i read some.. tried all sort |
| 20:10.51 | gniretar_work | does anyone have any good documentation on how to use debconf and perl? |
| 20:10.54 | Overflow-debian | no luck |
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| 20:11.32 | E-bola | Is there no top utility for io, mainly disk io im concerned about |
| 20:11.35 | Overflow-debian | it was working one upon a time, with different settings, but i cant remember what card. |
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| 20:11.43 | E-bola | how can i see which processes is generating the io? |
| 20:12.03 | perlmonkey | has anyone had any experience of DCOP problems while running NFS? |
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| 20:12.35 | h3sp4wn | Overflow-debian: That will work (you would have to reload the alsa modules or reboot though0 |
| 20:12.58 | frank | E-bola: maybe dstat? |
| 20:13.04 | perlmonkey | fukin dcop :-{} |
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| 20:14.07 | Overflow-debian | ok rebooting |
| 20:14.07 | Overflow-debian | brb |
| 20:14.09 | Overflow-debian | thx h3 |
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| 20:14.32 | E-bola | frank: dstat dont allow you to see the info per process does it? |
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| 20:15.05 | enouf | _Rubyxx: the DVD sizes are compressed, so if you installed all the software from them, you need almost ~50GB of HDD space |
| 20:15.06 | h3sp4wn | E-bola: atop is nice (but for that functionality you would need the kernel patches) |
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| 20:15.25 | munxx | Hi, just a question: How can I change the motd? I change it, but after a shutdown it comes to show the original message, why? |
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| 20:15.38 | gniretar_work | /etc/motd? |
| 20:15.52 | enouf | _Rubyxx: erm.. the files are .. just like regular .debs, there's a d/l size and an installed size |
| 20:15.57 | munxx | yes, i change with root the /etc/motd |
| 20:16.03 | gniretar_work | hmmm |
| 20:16.04 | gniretar_work | no idea |
| 20:16.15 | munxx | but after a shutdown it shows the original message |
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| 20:17.36 | _Rubyxx | Hmm! then in that case it seems a limited install from DVD 1 is the only choice...I only have a 36GB hard drive on my second PC |
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| 20:18.01 | enouf | perlmonkey: the dcop thing, as noted by another earlier is only supposedly kde related, but i have some of both ghere , so i don'y know for sure |
| 20:18.08 | sepski | _Rubyxx, what is a limited install ? |
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| 20:18.35 | perlmonkey | enouf: yes, I think it's only kde apps which is affected |
| 20:18.42 | _Rubyxx | I am not sure ..... I hope that means I do not need to use the other DVDs |
| 20:18.53 | sepski | you never even install pacakges you dont need it's pointless, wasteful, gives conflicts etc etc etc. install what you need and not everything and the toothpicks |
| 20:19.06 | _Rubyxx | ok |
| 20:19.13 | enouf | _Rubyxx: right .. most only install 1.7GB (tasksel Desktop env) , and allocate say a few gigs for root, some Swap, and the rest a /home |
| 20:19.20 | eeyore- | why in the world does sun want to put java everywhere? (slashdot, Sun's answer to 'iphone') |
| 20:19.25 | eeyore- | i'm so sick of java |
| 20:19.39 | munxx | java wants to marry cocacola |
| 20:19.51 | eeyore- | it's probably because of java that my phone works as badly as it does. slow response time, dropped digits ... |
| 20:20.18 | perlmonkey | I'm fairly sure it's something really dumb I have overlooked, everything worked fine, until I decided to move my /home folder onto a server and mount it over NFS |
| 20:20.26 | eeyore- | why can't they learn from sony PSP. THAT has a very nice UI for having no keyboard buttons |
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| 20:20.29 | enouf | _Rubyxx: IOW, a typical desktop installation with X and either kde/gnome ends up being a bit under 2G, after that, it's all whatever you want .. and you don't even need all that (full desktop, nor any X) if you don't want |
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| 20:21.18 | eeyore- | perlmonkey: what's the problem? |
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| 20:21.27 | klim_ | hi, does any know if there an issue with 2.4 kernel have usb automounting or not? |
| 20:21.46 | eeyore- | klim_: kernel doesn't automount anything usb ... |
| 20:21.49 | enouf | perlmonkey: perhaps see the various nfs man pages -> nfs nfsd nfsservctl nfsstat |
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| 20:21.52 | ccvp`WORK | Islam is spreading throughout the world. THey have a long term goal to try to corrupt the earth w/ their bullshit Satan religoun: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17874369/ - - - Hamas has a $3billion base in Paraguay, south america. |
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| 20:22.31 | eeyore- | nutjob |
| 20:22.46 | enouf | perlmonkey: perhaps pastbin your /etc/fstab for others to view |
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| 20:23.00 | klim_ | eeyore: you saying automounting does work on usb devices? |
| 20:23.15 | enouf | klim_: sure it does |
| 20:23.24 | enouf | klim_: using kde or gnome? |
| 20:23.28 | stew | klim_: how are you trying to automount them? with autofs? with gnome? |
| 20:23.29 | Overflow-debian | h3: no luck mate.. |
| 20:23.32 | perlmonkey | eeyore: problem is, when I start xfce4 i cant run kde apps, I get dcop related error "DCOP aborting (delayed) call from 'kded' to 'klauncher'" and other stuff, I moved my /home folder to a centralised server and now use NFS to mount it on my clients, everything worked fine before I did that :-/ |
| 20:23.38 | klim_ | autfs |
| 20:23.41 | eeyore- | klim_: no. you asked "does kernel 2.4 have problems automounting usb devices" ... if you had problem, doubtful it would be related to kernel 2.4 |
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| 20:23.43 | enouf | klim_: there's gnome-volume-manager |
| 20:23.50 | x_link | deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib |
| 20:23.51 | enouf | man autofs then |
| 20:23.51 | _Rubyxx | Does Debian have a recovery disk? |
| 20:23.52 | x_link | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib |
| 20:23.57 | Overflow-debian | h3: still no sound.. |
| 20:23.57 | x_link | Sorry |
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| 20:24.07 | enouf | klim_: i think there's 2 separate man pages IIRC |
| 20:24.12 | eeyore- | perlmonkey: probably coincidental. exactly WHY does kde fail? it's got to tell you something. see ~/.xsession-errors |
| 20:24.19 | enouf | Overflow-debian: using alsa? |
| 20:24.23 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 20:24.24 | Overflow-debian | yes |
| 20:24.25 | eeyore- | perlmonkey: i know the general "it doesn't work" but i was hoping for more specifics |
| 20:24.30 | enouf | Overflow-debian: got alsamixer and alsutils installed? |
| 20:24.33 | perlmonkey | sorry |
| 20:24.36 | Overflow-debian | yes |
| 20:24.39 | enouf | Overflow-debian: using kde? |
| 20:24.44 | Overflow-debian | nope |
| 20:24.46 | Overflow-debian | gnome |
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| 20:25.01 | enouf | Overflow-debian: ps aux | egrep 'esd|arts' show anythign? |
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| 20:25.34 | Overflow-debian | yes |
| 20:25.36 | stew | Overflow-debian: does "fuser /dev/dsp /dev/snd/*" still return a number? |
| 20:25.42 | perlmonkey | eeyore: I will try to gather more info and come back shortly with a pastebin |
| 20:25.52 | Overflow-debian | root 3670 0.0 0.0 2852 708 pts/0 R+ 23:25 0:00 grep -E esd|arts |
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| 20:26.35 | enouf | Overflow-debian: you're trying to use /dev/dsp ? IIRC ...yes? |
| 20:26.46 | enouf | Overflow-debian: youdidn't have to paste that |
| 20:26.57 | enouf | but ok, my fault |
| 20:27.02 | Overflow-debian | lol |
| 20:27.24 | Overflow-debian | what do you mean by use /dev/dsp? |
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| 20:27.33 | Seanfeld | hi I have a php cronjob that removes old sessions that is using up a lot of my cpu and bringing my debian server to a crawl. I looked at the cron and read some things about. When I try to look for the /php/maxlifetime dir there isn't one. Shouldn't there be one? If I just mkdir maxlifetime will that solve the problem? Can I just comment out the cronjob or will this cause other problems eventually? Anyone know something about this? |
| 20:28.07 | enouf | Overflow-debian: forget about /dev/dsp |
| 20:28.13 | Overflow-debian | ok |
| 20:28.18 | Overflow-debian | forgotten |
| 20:28.19 | eeyore- | Seanfeld: first, take a chillpill ... you're getting far too overexcited |
| 20:28.26 | enouf | Overflow-debian: in alsamixer, are you certain that the volumes are unmuted? |
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| 20:28.33 | Overflow-debian | yes |
| 20:28.34 | Seanfeld | :) |
| 20:28.40 | ghata1 | Hi, I am ETCH installed, i want start using fluxbox on it, there is not X or any GUI on my box, what should I do in order to get minimal fluxbox+X on my system without any other crap which comes as standard if install a full desktop environment ? |
| 20:28.44 | enouf | Overflow-debian: please make sure there's not more mixer stuffs to the right of your screen |
| 20:28.45 | eeyore- | Seanfeld: second, no script should "bring debian server to a crawl" unless you wrote one that is so horrible |
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| 20:29.12 | enouf | it scrolls rioght, because it's big |
| 20:29.12 | abrotman | ghata1: aptitude install x-window-system-core fluxbox (and add xdm if you want it) |
| 20:29.12 | eeyore- | Seanfeld: third, what the hell is a "maxlifetime" directory? (a variable, maybe. but, a directory?!?!) |
| 20:29.12 | enouf | Overflow-debian: it scrolls rioght, because it's big |
| 20:29.21 | Seanfeld | sorry just was in the php room and they didn't know much about it and said it had something to do with how debian handles php sessions |
| 20:29.22 | drewh_ | I have one of those POS intel fakeraid controllers, is there anyway to get etch to see the disks as a raid volume and not individual disks during the install? |
| 20:29.25 | ghata1 | abrotman: ok thanks. |
| 20:29.26 | eeyore- | Seanfeld: so, take a deep breath ... show me the script |
| 20:29.29 | Overflow-debian | yeah i know, everything is up |
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| 20:29.34 | Overflow-debian | and unmuted |
| 20:29.57 | stew | Seanfeld: you are talking about /etc/cron.d/php[45] ? |
| 20:30.05 | Seanfeld | eeyore-: (root) CMD ( [ -d /var/lib/php5 ] && find /var/lib/php5/ -type f -cmin +$(/usr/lib/php5/maxlifetime) -print0 | xargs -r -0 rm) |
| 20:30.06 | enouf | Overflow-debian: speakers are plugged into the speaker mini out , and not the mic, or line in? |
| 20:30.10 | Seanfeld | yeah |
| 20:30.29 | Overflow-debian | laptop |
| 20:30.29 | enouf | Overflow-debian: oh .. see |
| 20:30.29 | Overflow-debian | ll |
| 20:30.29 | enouf | !laptop |
| 20:30.34 | Overflow-debian | !laptop |
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| 20:30.40 | enouf | Overflow-debian: see tuxmobile.org |
| 20:30.44 | stew | Seanfeld: and you are saying that /usr/lib/php5/maxlifetime doesn't exist? |
| 20:30.51 | RainbowW | Where is the active php.ini located? Or, how might one find it? |
| 20:30.57 | enouf | Overflow-debian: and linux-laptop.net |
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| 20:31.04 | Seanfeld | stew: yeah it's not there and not sure why not |
| 20:31.06 | enouf | Overflow-debian: ir thinkwiki.org if a stinkpad ;-) |
| 20:31.23 | stew | Seanfeld: do you have the php5-common pacakge installed? |
| 20:31.32 | eeyore- | Seanfeld: that maxlifetime is a script |
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| 20:31.45 | Overflow-debian | i can write a shell like program in c/c++ but cant get the fricking sound... LOL |
| 20:31.47 | eeyore- | Seanfeld: it just output the value of maxlifetime in the php ini file |
| 20:31.59 | stew | Overflow-debian: does "fuser /dev/dsp /dev/snd/*" still return a number? |
| 20:32.08 | klync | i just removed apache2, but I was hoping aptitude would also ask me about anything it installed as a dependency for the pkg; how can I clean out pkgs I didn't explicitly install which nothing else depends on? |
| 20:32.11 | eeyore- | Seanfeld: $( ... ) construct = launch this in a subshell |
| 20:32.14 | Overflow-debian | nope |
| 20:32.18 | Overflow-debian | no # |
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| 20:32.20 | Hyperi | I can't get my time set right. How do I set up NTP right? It's currently giving me -3h real time :/ |
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| 20:32.31 | chop1 | Hyperi: Is your timezone set correctly? |
| 20:32.45 | Hyperi | chop1: Where do I set that? |
| 20:32.53 | chop1 | Hyperi: tzconfig |
| 20:33.13 | sgeigerbot | !+timezone |
| 20:33.19 | sgeigerbot | extra, extra, read all about it, timezone is "ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/<timezone> /etc/localtime", or tzconfig |
| 20:33.51 | x_link | Isn't KDE 3.5.6 in Sid? |
| 20:33.51 | eeyore- | Hyperi: set your timezone |
| 20:33.51 | sgeigerbot | dpkg, you are a lazy bot |
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| 20:33.51 | Hyperi | chop1: Done, works now. Thanks :) |
| 20:33.55 | eeyore- | Hyperi: then, shut down ntpd, ntpdate <ntp-server>, restart ntpd, run "ntpq" and query it every now and then |
| 20:34.05 | stew | Overflow-debian: what happens when you run "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp"? |
| 20:34.24 | Seanfeld | stew: I'm pretty sure it's just the php5 not the common package |
| 20:34.25 | eeyore- | Hyperi: run ntpq, then type in "pe" (peers) every few minutes to see its progress (as it synchronizes with peers) |
| 20:34.29 | Overflow-debian | nothing |
| 20:34.38 | nn-main | um someone tell !tell darcs address |
| 20:34.42 | stew | Seanfeld: php5-common: /usr/lib/php5/maxlifetime |
| 20:34.43 | Overflow-debian | waiting endless time |
| 20:34.52 | eeyore- | Seanfeld: dude ... |
| 20:34.52 | stew | Seanfeld: that script is from the php5-common package |
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| 20:34.56 | nn-main | !tell darcs address |
| 20:35.01 | nn-main | aug |
| 20:35.04 | eeyore- | Seanfeld: looks like you didn't update your sid properly |
| 20:35.05 | Overflow-debian | writing to dsp? what exactly? |
| 20:35.09 | enouf | Overflow-debian: cycle the tab button and makesure playback is selected, and cycle through the pothers too |
| 20:35.11 | stew | nn-main: what are you trying to do? |
| 20:35.51 | Seanfeld | eeyore-: that is a possibility my friend updated a couple of months ago but not sure what he did |
| 20:35.54 | stew | Overflow-debian: you should hear static when you run that command. the last time you ran it it failed so you've made progress, but now it seems to be muted or the volume is turned way down |
| 20:36.00 | nn-main | get source for dpkg |
| 20:36.03 | stew | Seanfeld: is php5-common installed? |
| 20:36.11 | klync | anyone? on how i can un-install pkgs from my system that aren't needed? |
| 20:36.14 | Overflow-debian | pothers? |
| 20:36.20 | stew | nn-main: dpkg the bot? dpkg the package manager? |
| 20:36.24 | Seanfeld | stew: I don't think so I'll give that a try |
| 20:36.35 | nn-main | ? |
| 20:36.37 | stew | Seanfeld: do you mean to have php5 installed? |
| 20:36.50 | Hyperi | eeyore-: "Name or service not known |
| 20:36.53 | stew | Seanfeld: if you don't have php5 installed, that cron job is *certainly* not making your machine any slower |
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| 20:37.02 | nn-main | !dpkg darcs |
| 20:37.07 | stew | nn-main: what are you trying to do? |
| 20:37.10 | shazam | http://undo-software.com/ <--does this violate the gpl? |
| 20:37.16 | enouf | Overflow-debian: take a look at http://pastebin.ca/479620 and see if you think uyou need anything else installed |
| 20:37.18 | nn-main | !source address |
| 20:37.26 | enouf | Overflow-debian: like alsa-tools |
| 20:37.28 | nn-main | !get dpkg |
| 20:37.47 | Hyperi | eeyore-: Ah got it. I put 'host fi.pool.ntp.org' and after that worked nicely :) |
| 20:37.51 | nn-main | ACCCCCKKKKKK! |
| 20:37.56 | Hyperi | eeyore-: Thanks :) |
| 20:38.03 | enouf | Overflow-debian: lines 9 and 10 as well |
| 20:38.03 | stew | nn-main: stop. what are you trying to do? |
| 20:38.04 | Seanfeld | stew: not using it for much but yeah I wanted it installed. I'm pretty sure it's that because when I kill cron the server runs fine |
| 20:38.05 | nn-main | !dpkg respond |
| 20:38.17 | enouf | Overflow-debian: others* |
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| 20:38.25 | Overflow-debian | oooh silly me |
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| 20:38.27 | Overflow-debian | lol |
| 20:38.29 | stew | nn-main: if you want to play with the bot, please do it in /query |
| 20:38.44 | nn-main | stew, i want source so i can put dpkg on my irc |
| 20:38.44 | stew | nn-main: if you are having trouble finding some information just tell us what exactly you are after |
| 20:38.45 | Overflow-debian | made some changes.. brb.. reboot |
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| 20:39.01 | stew | nn-main: its a blootbot, you can "aptitude install blootbot" |
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| 20:40.59 | scrillaz_ | where can i find repos to add to lenny sources list? |
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| 20:41.28 | chop1 | scrillaz_: http.us.debian.org, where "us" is your country code |
| 20:41.44 | scrillaz_ | thnx chop1 |
| 20:41.45 | stew | scrillaz_: are you wanting to upgrade completely to testing? or to install some testing packages onto stable? |
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| 20:42.12 | scrillaz_ | i have already upgraded to testing stew |
| 20:42.18 | stew | scrillaz_: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 20:42.31 | scrillaz_ | thnx stew |
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| 20:44.16 | sgeigerbot | nn-main: You dont' want my source? |
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| 20:44.40 | drewh_ | has anyone been able to install etch w/ one of those fakeraid intel controllers? Etch see it as seperate disks. |
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| 20:45.01 | stew | drewh_: see if dmraid supports your hardware |
| 20:45.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | <-- bush_ has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) |
| 20:46.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | was that some comment on the war in iraq... one wonders.... "Operation timed out" |
| 20:46.35 | drewh_ | stew: is the dmraid module on the install cd? |
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| 20:46.47 | stew | drewh_: i don't know |
| 20:46.54 | jmf | CutMeOwnThroat, haha |
| 20:47.01 | alleyoopster | how do i change kb mapping? |
| 20:47.07 | stew | alleyoopster: /msg dpkg keymap |
| 20:47.15 | Suprano | how to find out which program is reading my HD all the time ? |
| 20:47.59 | EdLin | Suprano: FAM is often a culprit |
| 20:48.13 | nn-main | ? |
| 20:48.34 | alleyoopster | stew: thanks, but dpkg must be sleeping |
| 20:48.42 | stew | !keymap |
| 20:48.53 | EdLin | dpkg: test |
| 20:49.02 | stew | alleyoopster: http://dpkg.vireo.org/keymap |
| 20:49.06 | alleyoopster | thanks |
| 20:49.07 | EdLin | apt: test |
| 20:49.11 | apt | Oh, no! There's a test and I haven't studied! |
| 20:49.11 | Caelum | how do I convert a text file to tif? |
| 20:49.25 | EdLin | ~keymap |
| 20:49.26 | apt | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data" (or in potato, /usr/sbin/kbdconfig from the console-tools package). To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps |
| 20:49.32 | nn-main | !moo |
| 20:49.39 | nn-main | is the bot down |
| 20:50.04 | EdLin | nn-main: dpkg is down, apt is not. apt's database could be outdated/different though. |
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| 20:50.31 | aptitude | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of stew) |
| 20:50.42 | drewh_ | stew: so how do I use dmraid if it's not on the cd? |
| 20:50.45 | nn-main | is there a irc log bot |
| 20:50.54 | stew | drewh_: i don't konw. is it not on the cd? |
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| 20:52.17 | JordiGH | This is rather strange. KDM now looks like GDM. Moreover, it ignores my attempts to change its appearance via kcontrol. |
| 20:52.25 | drewh_ | stew: I would assume the d-i would load all modules it had and I don't see my disks...I'll mount the cd and see what it's got. |
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| 20:52.34 | Overflow-debian | hello |
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| 20:52.50 | lilino | ciao |
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| 20:53.20 | stew | drewh_: dmraid is not a kernel module |
| 20:53.28 | lilino | !list |
| 20:53.46 | drewh_ | stew: then how can you boot off it? |
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| 20:53.53 | stew | drewh_: with an initrd |
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| 20:54.23 | stew | drewh_: (just like any other software raid) |
| 20:54.24 | drewh_ | drewh_: ok so dl/compile/create a new initrd w/ mkinitrd? |
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| 20:54.30 | lilino | ciao |
| 20:54.47 | Overflow-debian | stew.. help i messed up with the card, now when trying to alsamixer it says "alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 20:54.48 | Overflow-debian | " |
| 20:54.57 | madriss | hi :) I've been trying to install a copy of debian as a partition on my windows box, and whenever i boot into ANYTHING other than windows it works for a second and then just reboots the system. i just tried the debian disc and it said Unknown fault or interrupt at EIP. any ideas how to get it to boot? |
| 20:55.10 | stew | Overflow-debian: are the drivers for your card loaded? |
| 20:55.18 | Overflow-debian | yes |
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| 20:55.30 | Overflow-debian | alsaconf them again, no luck |
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| 20:55.43 | stew | Overflow-debian: what drivers are you using? |
| 20:55.52 | drewh_ | stew: happen to know of any docs I could read? |
| 20:55.53 | Overflow-debian | intel ICH4 |
| 20:56.06 | JordiGH | Ew, Beryl doesn't work that well with the nvidia blob. :-( |
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| 20:56.20 | stew | Overflow-debian: if it is alsa, the module name would start with snd- |
| 20:56.26 | Overflow-debian | i think i messed up with the /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base file |
| 20:56.27 | JordiGH | And I just managed to freeze the blob by trying to do real-time lighting in Nexuiz. |
| 20:56.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | gah, there's more of those damn robots.... |
| 20:56.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | finally dpkg shuts up and ... apt creeps up |
| 20:56.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | damnit |
| 20:56.47 | stew | drewh_: other than /usr/share/doc/dmraid/* i don't know |
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| 20:56.52 | JordiGH | madriss: What do you mean with "works for a second"? Do you see kernel messages? |
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| 20:57.23 | madriss | yeah i get the boot screen andi press enter to start intallation, then it says loading kernel etc... then a second later i get that error and reboot |
| 20:57.26 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: if someone/something in this channel is annoying you, /help ignore |
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| 20:57.53 | Ursinha | hi all |
| 20:58.02 | Overflow-debian | snd-pcm-oss |
| 20:58.07 | madriss | i think it could be the same bug as on this page https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/71594 but if so.. doesnt help solve it |
| 20:58.19 | Ursinha | beuno, i have a metapackage, and i want to change one dependency |
| 20:58.23 | Ursinha | oops |
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| 20:58.33 | Ursinha | i have a metapackage, and i want to change one dependency |
| 20:58.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew: :) |
| 20:58.43 | JordiGH | madriss: What error? |
| 20:58.44 | Overflow-debian | how can i revert the settings, i tried reinstalling alsa |
| 20:58.59 | stew | Overflow-debian: snd-pcm-oss is not a hardware driver |
| 20:59.03 | stew | Overflow-debian: run alsaconf again |
| 20:59.04 | madriss | i get the same thing as on that link : Unknown Interrupt or fault at EIP 00000060 |
| 20:59.08 | klync | is there a way to list all the installed pkgs that no other installed package depends on? |
| 20:59.08 | Overflow-debian | did that |
| 20:59.12 | Overflow-debian | no luck |
| 20:59.23 | madriss | think it said 00000060 anyway |
| 20:59.26 | Overflow-debian | i messed with the alsa-base file |
| 20:59.38 | JordiGH | madriss: Hm. Is this a 64bit Debian? |
| 20:59.47 | Ursinha | when i repackage with debuild, it runs lintian, and it says that i have to name it as a non-maintainer update |
| 20:59.49 | stew | Overflow-debian: what did you change? |
| 20:59.54 | Ursinha | the original version is 0.8 |
| 21:00.01 | JordiGH | madriss: And what was your fix? You attempted to install Ubuntu? :-) |
| 21:00.13 | Overflow-debian | options =-2 to =-0 and back to =-2 |
| 21:00.18 | Ursinha | my version, as a nmu, should be 0.8-0bla1 or something, right? |
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| 21:00.27 | Ursinha | but lintian complains, saying that is not the correct version number |
| 21:00.30 | madriss | hm shouldn't be 64 bit :P i downloaded the i386 minimal debian installer and ive used it successfully on my 32 bit laptop |
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| 21:00.47 | stew | Ursinha: no, if it is a nmu, it should be 0.8-0.1 |
| 21:00.56 | JordiGH | Ursinha: Future questions of the sort are probably best directed to #debian-devel on OFTC. |
| 21:00.57 | Ursinha | oh thanks!! |
| 21:01.00 | madriss | i havn't fixed it. not tried ubuntu recently but i had same problem with ubuntu ages ago |
| 21:01.02 | Ursinha | thank you |
| 21:01.12 | madriss | im trying to install debian but the bug seems similar to that ubuntu link |
| 21:01.18 | Ursinha | JordiGH, thank you very much |
| 21:01.42 | JordiGH | madriss: Yeah, but the only fix on that link was to use the alternate Ubuntu CD. What fix did YOU try? |
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| 21:01.55 | JordiGH | Ursinha: np |
| 21:01.58 | namit_laptop | hey anyone converted form sarge to etch and had no problems? |
| 21:02.05 | JordiGH | namit_laptop: Many people. |
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| 21:02.26 | madriss | oh right, ive tried ubuntu before, ive tried the debian disc, tried a debian sarge disc and a damn small linux disc and none have ever loaded on this machine lol it just says nope ur not windows and reboots |
| 21:02.30 | namit_laptop | JordiGH: is it easy ? I am scared |
| 21:02.39 | drewh_ | ok, say I don't care about using dmraid and my fakeraid card, but just wanted to run a sw raid 0 on my two disks and have the OS inside that....could someone point me to some docs on howthat's done? |
| 21:02.45 | Ursinha | stew, thanks too |
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| 21:03.04 | namit_laptop | madriss: what you using the machine for? |
| 21:03.06 | madriss | i dont think there is another disc i can download other than the i386 is there |
| 21:03.09 | JordiGH | namit_laptop: It should be ok. aptitude dist-upgrade. Go have some lunch and come back later to possibly answer a few configuration questions. |
| 21:03.24 | madriss | its my general purpose windows machine but wanted a debian partition to play with |
| 21:03.33 | namit_laptop | JordiGH: Might do a system backup first |
| 21:03.34 | stew | JordiGH: uh no |
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| 21:03.38 | JW | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:03.40 | stew | namit_laptop: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 21:03.45 | stew | namit_laptop: don't just dist-upgrade |
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| 21:03.55 | Dave_is_sexy | madriss: how far does the installer take you? all the way? |
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| 21:04.11 | madriss | i press enter.. it says starting kernel then reboots |
| 21:04.18 | madriss | with some other discs it doesnt even get that far |
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| 21:04.18 | namit_laptop | stew: yes I thought as much dist-upgrde is bit of pain |
| 21:04.25 | stew | drewh_: the installer would set that up for you |
| 21:04.34 | JordiGH | Is dpkg dead? |
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| 21:04.36 | Overflow-debian | help, "alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device" |
| 21:04.38 | JordiGH | !test |
| 21:04.38 | enouf | Overflow-debian: /msg dpkg which driver |
| 21:04.42 | JordiGH | :test |
| 21:04.43 | drewh_ | stew: so parition drives are "for raid"? |
| 21:04.54 | namit_laptop | JordiGH: just need to buck up and get down to doing it some weekend |
| 21:04.58 | stew | namit_laptop: oh dpkg is sleeping, /msg apititude sarge->etch |
| 21:04.59 | Dave_is_sexy | madriss: oh that's not far at all. i would assume it's missiing a vital driver for your hardware. that's a guess |
| 21:05.03 | stew | drewh_: yes |
| 21:05.04 | Gnea | w |
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| 21:05.19 | madriss | yeah could be |
| 21:05.21 | drewh_ | stew: Thanks! I'll try that |
| 21:05.25 | madriss | seems no distro works on this box lol |
| 21:05.28 | enouf | Overflow-debian: lsmod should show snd_pcm_oss as well as snd_mixer_oss or similar .. why on earth would you mess with /etc/modutils/alsa* |
| 21:05.30 | madriss | good job i got a working windows :P |
| 21:05.55 | Dave_is_sexy | madriss: if you're not too bothered about using a debian based distribution, have a look at Mandrivia. Mandrivia has worked on every pc I have put it on, while Debian and DSL seldom do |
| 21:06.05 | Dave_is_sexy | madriss: yes it is. be careful not to loose that |
| 21:06.07 | enouf | correction --> <Overflow-debian> i think i messed up with the /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base file |
| 21:06.09 | namit_laptop | aptitude: what you up ta are you not replying to me messages |
| 21:06.10 | aptitude | namit_laptop: I think you lost me on that one |
| 21:06.17 | madriss | ah thanks for the tip |
| 21:06.30 | stew | &sarge->etch |
| 21:06.30 | aptitude | from memory, sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the release notes. also ask me about <security> |
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| 21:06.46 | enouf | madriss: laptop? |
| 21:06.52 | madriss | http://tinyurl.com/2r5jpe the first post on there hes got a PC very similar to mine with very similar problem so its not just me |
| 21:06.54 | namit_laptop | is aptitude is just a bot? |
| 21:06.58 | madriss | nope its a normal computer |
| 21:07.09 | madriss | mine is compaq presario sr1109 |
| 21:07.24 | enouf | namit_laptop: /msg dpkg aptitude |
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| 21:07.36 | stew | enouf: dpkg is not working |
| 21:07.37 | Gnea | compaqs are hardly 'normal' :) |
| 21:07.39 | madriss | might try that acpi=off option again |
| 21:07.42 | stew | namit_laptop: yes |
| 21:07.43 | madriss | lol |
| 21:08.10 | enouf | ok .. yep |
| 21:08.10 | Gnea | in fact, compaq mostly makes pure crap |
| 21:08.10 | vyrus001 | is there a .deb for kernel 2.6.21 out there? |
| 21:08.10 | madriss | you cant buy ANY computer and it be normal these days :P |
| 21:08.10 | namit_laptop | aptitude does not seam to be working either |
| 21:08.10 | madriss | every computer i ever bought has been dubbed crap |
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| 21:08.25 | Gnea | that's why i build my own, unless the computer that's been purchased has been well tested |
| 21:08.27 | enouf | Gnea: why the complement? ;-) |
| 21:08.29 | Dave_is_sexy | madriss: lol. |
| 21:08.35 | Gnea | these days, the only company that seems to bother with testing is dell |
| 21:08.47 | madriss | everyone tells me dell hardware is crap too lol |
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| 21:08.57 | enouf | Gnea: they make pure crap (as far as consumer grade models go) |
| 21:08.57 | madriss | and cant b bothered with making my own i just wana buy one |
| 21:09.02 | stew | namit_laptop: it is working, you are not /msging apititude |
| 21:09.03 | Dave_is_sexy | madriss: yes dell hardware is crap. avoid it in future |
| 21:09.07 | madriss | apart from this linux thing my compaq has never been a problem anyway |
| 21:09.15 | enouf | madriss: them too |
| 21:09.17 | Gnea | Dave_is_sexy: how is dell hardware crap? |
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| 21:09.18 | shogunx | well, one could argue that all x86 are crap... |
| 21:09.22 | Kisom | "checking security/pam_misc.h usability... no" - How do I get this header the easiest way? |
| 21:09.22 | war | Anyone here own a Lian Li 2000 or 2100 case? (the ones that can hold 12-22 hdds+?) |
| 21:09.24 | madriss | one could lol |
| 21:09.34 | enouf | madriss: they got no business using a cow :-P |
| 21:09.42 | madriss | lol |
| 21:09.44 | streuner | !tell Kisom about search |
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| 21:09.53 | Overflow-debian | how? |
| 21:09.55 | Gnea | Dave_is_sexy: that's like a sweeping statement - not ALL compaq hardware is really crap, it's just a matter of perception |
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| 21:10.07 | streuner | apitude, tell Kisom about search |
| 21:10.11 | Overflow-debian | enouf: LOL, so how do i fix it? |
| 21:10.12 | Dave_is_sexy | gnea: you're on a dell aren't you? here in the uk, dell sell crap, and flash good brand names over there commercials then in small priint say (none of this stuff is in thsi pc) |
| 21:10.26 | Overflow-debian | restoring it? |
| 21:10.28 | madriss | lol dave |
| 21:10.29 | enouf | Overflow-debian: huh? .. erm where were we |
| 21:10.40 | streuner | &tell Kisom about search |
| 21:10.45 | madriss | at least u can put linux on dells i spose |
| 21:10.45 | Overflow-debian | alsa-base file |
| 21:10.49 | stew | streuner: (aptitude has two t's) |
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| 21:11.01 | Gnea | Dave_is_sexy: nope, and based upon what you've told me, you've fallen into the typical if-it's-on-tv-then-it-has-to-be-true mentality that isn't just in the UK |
| 21:11.05 | shogunx | madriss you can put linux on anything if you try hard enough. |
| 21:11.07 | streuner | stew: yes, i regonised that |
| 21:11.14 | enouf | Overflow-debian: reinstall the pkg? not sure .. see if /etc/default/* has an alsa entry .. what did you do anyways? |
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| 21:11.45 | jmf | im quite pleased with my dell 505 |
| 21:11.55 | madriss | ok im gona do that acpi=off thing, if im not back in a few minutes then u can assume its working :P |
| 21:11.57 | S4nD3r | Is there any software similar ksnapshot for GNOME ??? |
| 21:12.09 | Overflow-debian | changed options bla bla =-2 to options bla bla =-0 and back to =-2 |
| 21:12.11 | Dave_is_sexy | gnea: go back and read again. i have first hand experience will Dell. Them and Maxtor are on my black list for lots of reasons |
| 21:12.13 | xand | S4nD3r: what does that do? |
| 21:12.15 | stew | Overflow-debian: for which module? |
| 21:12.15 | jmf | forgot to mention I got it free |
| 21:12.16 | drewh_ | stew: in the partitioner do I manual -> set for raid, or guided-> use for lvm? |
| 21:12.17 | S4nD3r | a software to copy screen in images |
| 21:12.18 | streuner | S4nD3r: /msg aptitude ss |
| 21:12.23 | Overflow-debian | all |
| 21:12.25 | Overflow-debian | lol |
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| 21:12.32 | Overflow-debian | i have l5 |
| 21:12.34 | drewh_ | stew: if I use guided for lvm it only lets me select one disk at a time |
| 21:12.36 | Gnea | Dave_is_sexy: they couldn't replace the hardware? or did you not have a warranty? |
| 21:12.37 | Overflow-debian | 5* |
| 21:12.37 | xand | S4nD3r: yes, in the Accesories menu "Take Screenshot" |
| 21:12.45 | Gnea | Dave_is_sexy: i couldn't be bothered to scrollback at this rate |
| 21:12.54 | stew | drewh_: i don't remember, check the install guide: /msg aptitude ig |
| 21:13.04 | S4nD3r | oh... |
| 21:13.07 | S4nD3r | xand: |
| 21:13.08 | S4nD3r | sorry |
| 21:13.10 | S4nD3r | sorry |
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| 21:13.27 | Overflow-debian | makig complete removal... |
| 21:13.34 | Overflow-debian | making* |
| 21:13.39 | N1ckR | More exspensive Dell stuff is not bad and the servers are as good as anyone elses - depends how good a ?/$ deal you get. |
| 21:13.46 | Gnea | wow, it looks like no one's gotten linux to work on the sr1109 |
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| 21:13.50 | stew | Overflow-debian: what happens when you run "modprobe snd-intel8x0"? |
| 21:13.51 | maatttt | I've bought hundreds of Dells, they have good kit. anyone who says different is a poor judge, ignore them. |
| 21:14.21 | Dave_is_sexy | gnea: well, in the first dell instnace, my friend had a warantee. becaus eshe knew nothing about computers they told her she was simply unable to use it and the hardware was fine. and they would not even check it for her. The cdrom, was infact completely screwed and never worked in the 4 years that followed. Dell insisted that was impossible |
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| 21:14.39 | Overflow-debian | nothing |
| 21:14.40 | enouf | Overflow-debian: go to kmuto.jp/debian/hcl and enter your lspci -n as it says, then modprobe those for your card |
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| 21:14.48 | S4nD3r | Is possible to use ADSL as telephone to call to another phone??? |
| 21:14.48 | Gnea | Dave_is_sexy: ok, that's your friend's experience, not yours. |
| 21:14.50 | madriss | wow :O acpi=off works |
| 21:14.52 | S4nD3r | voip ? |
| 21:14.54 | Gnea | Dave_is_sexy: try again, that doesn't count. |
| 21:14.59 | stew | Overflow-debian: now try alsamiser again |
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| 21:15.05 | stew | Overflow-debian: err alsamixer |
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| 21:15.25 | maatttt | Dell's consumer customer support is not the best, granted. |
| 21:15.37 | stew | can you guys please take the dell discussion to #dell or #hardware or somewhere? |
| 21:15.40 | vyrus001 | ok so.. i cant get 2.6.21 to work, ive been chaning config options fo the better part of 2 weeks now.. stil cant get it to kick over.. the error im looking at now looks like "waiting $foobar seconds for /sys/block/sda/sda1/dev to show up"... it counts from 1 to 16 or so, then init dies. hits? common mistakes? help of any kind? |
| 21:15.42 | JordiGH | In switching from apt-get to aptitude, aptitude thinks that a lot of packages are unused and it also wants to automatically remove another crapload. Is there a way to tell it that everything currently installed is used? |
| 21:15.43 | Gnea | Dave_is_sexy: the fact is is that if a customer is unwilling to go through troubleshooting steps over the phone, then the problem isn't going to be solved, plain and simple. it's in the small print, i suggest you and your friend go and read it. |
| 21:15.52 | maatttt | Their corporate hardware is very good. very very reliable. |
| 21:15.53 | Dave_is_sexy | Gnea: no, this is a debian channel. You want #dell. and I have been smart enough to avoid dell and maxtor. but I repair pcs and those 2 brands pop up time after time |
| 21:16.02 | stew | JordiGH: man aptitude ; look at 'unmark' |
| 21:16.21 | streuner | vyrus001: why not just using an official kernel (less headaches) |
| 21:16.33 | Gnea | Dave_is_sexy: that's fine, perhaps you should call dell's tech support next time you try to help repair a dell system that's under warranty and be a better judge for yourself instead of relying on the word of someone else. |
| 21:16.37 | maatttt | and are they more common brands ? yes. |
| 21:16.40 | N1ckR | IMHO all "high street" brand pcs are as good/bad as one another |
| 21:16.44 | Dave_is_sexy | gnea: you are obviously too small minded to bother talking to, since the number of assumptions you just made, to be convenient to you, is unbelievable. now: OFF TOPIC! |
| 21:16.46 | JordiGH | stew: Do I really need to give unmark the list of 400+ packages it wants to delete? |
| 21:16.59 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: Gnea: please take this elsewhere |
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| 21:17.29 | Dave_is_sexy | gnea: FFS. I didn't repair that one, it was under warantee!! |
| 21:17.29 | Gnea | Dave_is_sexy: and now you're being abusive and calling me names. i'm done, now stop yourself. |
| 21:17.29 | vyrus001 | streuner, because i want a lean monolithic kernel |
| 21:17.29 | enouf | madriss: did you use an older debian Sarge installer? |
| 21:17.29 | madriss | ok a little help here :P can i install this without destroying windows lol. i click use the largest continuous free space? |
| 21:17.29 | vyrus001 | streuner, and because i cant find a .deb of 2.6.21 :D |
| 21:17.30 | madriss | i dont want it to use ALL my free space! |
| 21:17.40 | xand | we have hundreds of dell machines at work, they aren't too bad |
| 21:17.41 | stew | JordiGH: possibly. running the frontend might be the best way to sort it out |
| 21:17.47 | madriss | sorry no im using etch |
| 21:17.55 | enouf | madriss: go get the weekly debian Etch netinstall and use that |
| 21:17.57 | streuner | if you want play, play with something which don't give you headaches |
| 21:17.58 | enouf | oh |
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| 21:18.05 | madriss | i got it working |
| 21:18.06 | stew | enouf: weekly? etch? |
| 21:18.12 | enouf | bah |
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| 21:18.24 | stew | obnauticus: are you a disco ball? |
| 21:18.24 | madriss | just need to know if using latgest continuous free space is gona use all my space or if i can choose a little partiion |
| 21:18.30 | enouf | Stable ..stbale stable, repeat afteer me |
| 21:18.36 | madriss | and it wont ruin windows right |
| 21:18.57 | streuner | that's bad :-) |
| 21:19.00 | shogunx | no. windows comes pre-ruined for your convenience. |
| 21:19.05 | madriss | lol ;) |
| 21:19.08 | JordiGH | largest continous free space shouldn't trash Windows, since contrary to my personal belief, a Windows partition doesn't count as free space. |
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| 21:19.10 | enouf | madriss: if you install grub correctly no, it should not .. let me point you to some nice tutorial about that |
| 21:19.13 | madriss | oh i just noticed thers a manual option never mind lol |
| 21:19.23 | madriss | im dumb somtimes |
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| 21:19.28 | Dave_is_sexy | madriss: if you are unsure, stop, think, do you know how to fix it if things go wrong? |
| 21:19.35 | enouf | madriss: http://users.bigpond.net.au/hermanzone/p15.htm |
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| 21:19.58 | N1ckR | Anyone run debian on virtual PC ? I installed it, worked a treat installing with the gui installer, but when the system rebooted I got display corruption loading x/gnome, has anyone got any hints/tips to try ? |
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| 21:20.25 | streuner | vyrus001: /msg aptitude kp ; and read the fine URL (newbiedoc.sf.net) Section KERNEL-HOWTO, but don't whine here if your hardware is broken then. |
| 21:20.59 | xoz_ | dpkg is taking vacation? |
| 21:21.07 | streuner | seems so, yes. |
| 21:21.14 | coolzone | Hi, is there a general way to change where all the configuration files and directories which start with a piriod goes? F.x its possible to change KDE related stuff with the KDEDIRS variable. |
| 21:21.59 | enouf | madriss: do you have any ext'd partitions already? you should really think about if you can squeeze everything into 4 primaries only, 3 for lnux ;-) .. one '/' , one '/home' , and one '/swap' |
| 21:22.14 | madriss | i just have one 80GB NTFS partition |
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| 21:22.22 | enouf | madriss: but you likely have soem Comcrud Recovery partition |
| 21:22.25 | madriss | i can go on resize.. that will be ok? |
| 21:22.34 | enouf | madriss: are you certain? |
| 21:22.43 | madriss | it says it needs to write previous changes to disc and then resizing could take a long time |
| 21:22.48 | enouf | madriss: those recovery partitions are hidden |
| 21:22.52 | madriss | i dont hav a recovery partition |
| 21:22.55 | madriss | i destroyed it |
| 21:23.00 | enouf | madriss: and do you have a windows CD? or |
| 21:23.06 | enouf | oh.. hehe |
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| 21:23.10 | madriss | yeah have a windows disc but would prefer not to use lol |
| 21:23.14 | enouf | !pony madriss |
| 21:23.18 | enouf | ~pony madriss |
| 21:23.30 | enouf | apt doesn't know about ponies .. lol |
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| 21:23.39 | madriss | lol |
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| 21:23.47 | madriss | is it likely that resizing my 80gb partition is gona mess up windows then |
| 21:23.55 | epsilon | in etch's dm crypt filesystem, which crytpsetup options are used, -c aes -s 256? |
| 21:23.58 | enouf | madriss: as long as that's done, some systems/OEMs don't give you a disk |
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| 21:24.21 | madriss | i didnt get a windows disc with mine either, i had to aquire my own |
| 21:24.26 | enouf | madriss: look over that url carefully .. and yes you can resize .. is it Vista or Xpoop? |
| 21:24.33 | madriss | xpoop |
| 21:24.38 | enouf | ok .. you're fine |
| 21:24.44 | madriss | cool lol |
| 21:24.49 | Daveman | need more daves |
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| 21:24.56 | madriss | really dont wana mess up my windows install :P |
| 21:25.05 | Dave_is_sexy | daveman: i'm a dave |
| 21:25.11 | Daveman | Yes... |
| 21:25.19 | Daveman | So it would appear :) |
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| 21:25.40 | x_link | When will KDE 3.5.6 be in Testing? |
| 21:25.44 | JordiGH | Maybe I'm confused. "Packages are unused and will be REMOVED" means that those packages were marked as automatically installed at some point, right? aptitude wants to remove them even when I tell it to unmarkauto them. |
| 21:25.46 | enouf | madriss: have another drive? it's a desktop after all .. but it should be fine, but i can't guarantee it, plus it's easier to recover when you ahve a backup plan and experience |
| 21:26.03 | madriss | i hav a USB external hard drive |
| 21:26.09 | enouf | madriss: backup all you crucial info/data/docs first |
| 21:26.11 | Dave_is_sexy | madriss: I would advise you take a time out and don't mess up your windoes install. if you do, and you know what you're doing you can most likely get everything back, but if you don't know how to get it back, find this out before you loose the ability to (ie your OS) |
| 21:26.16 | enouf | madriss: you should always ahve backups |
| 21:26.25 | streuner | &rube goldberg install |
| 21:26.27 | aptitude | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 21:26.31 | madriss | ok ill make sure its all backed up lol |
| 21:26.45 | x_link | enouf: I just changed back to Testing, some things just got messed up right away in Sid. |
| 21:26.48 | enouf | aptitude: no floppy drive? or |
| 21:26.59 | streuner | no |
| 21:26.59 | x_link | enouf: Do you know if/when KDE 3.5.6 will be in Testing? |
| 21:27.02 | enouf | x_link: hrm .. to be expected |
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| 21:27.18 | enouf | what's with you fast typers!!! |
| 21:27.33 | enouf | are you pasting shit? |
| 21:27.36 | x_link | Me? |
| 21:27.38 | JordiGH | rube goldberg? |
| 21:27.42 | streuner | enouf: that factoid seems funny, but we had such questions here... ;-) |
| 21:27.43 | JordiGH | enouf: You realise aptitude is a bot? |
| 21:27.53 | streuner | sure |
| 21:28.01 | stew | JordiGH: run the front end. the ones that you don't want removed, hit 'm' to mark them as manually installed, and hit '+' for "install" |
| 21:28.05 | streuner | its enouf's sense of humor |
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| 21:28.12 | N1ckR | sounds like one of our helpdesk drones... |
| 21:28.12 | x_link | enouf: Am I typing fast or did you mean somebody else? |
| 21:28.14 | JordiGH | stew: It's over 400 packages... :-/ |
| 21:28.17 | stew | JordiGH: read rube goldbergs wikipedia page if that factoid didn't make sense |
| 21:28.45 | enouf | x_link: not you .. no worries |
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| 21:28.49 | x_link | Does anybody know if/when KDE 3.5.6 will be in Debian Testing/Lenny? |
| 21:28.50 | N1ckR | and not very fast at both. |
| 21:28.50 | x_link | enouf: Okej =) |
| 21:29.01 | enouf | JordiGH: no .. but now i do ;-) |
| 21:29.09 | streuner | x_link: folks in #debian-kde might know better |
| 21:29.31 | x_link | streuner: Alright. But they are berly online. |
| 21:29.37 | x_link | But okej. |
| 21:29.43 | streuner | have some patience |
| 21:29.46 | enouf | JordiGH: she's also doubles as an application ;-P, but aptitude wasn't being overly fast typing |
| 21:30.07 | x_link | streuner: Is 2 hours enough? =) |
| 21:30.10 | streuner | aptitude, info konqueror unstable |
| 21:30.12 | aptitude | konqueror: (KDE's advanced file manager, web browser and document viewer), section web, is optional. Version: 4:3.5.6.dfsg.2-2 (sid), Packaged size: 1975 kB, Installed size: 5304 kB |
| 21:30.13 | x_link | streuner: I will wait. |
| 21:30.19 | streuner | x_link: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 21:30.25 | x_link | I will see |
| 21:30.35 | enouf | streuner: ahhh .. joke's onme .. it's cool ;-) |
| 21:30.40 | enouf | rube |
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| 21:30.47 | x_link | streuner: sedde@sedde:~$ dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 21:30.47 | x_link | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 21:30.52 | streuner | hm, etch |
| 21:30.59 | x_link | Me? |
| 21:31.02 | x_link | I'm not using etch. |
| 21:31.03 | streuner | sure |
| 21:31.08 | JordiGH | stew: Sorry, did I say over 400? It's actualy 609 packages it wants to remove. :-/ |
| 21:31.21 | stew | JordiGH: are you sure that you know why it wants to remove them? |
| 21:31.29 | streuner | x_link: well, this libc6 is surely etch/stable |
| 21:31.32 | enouf | streuner: etch and lenny, diff versions? |
| 21:31.35 | JordiGH | Is there a limit with how big a bash line can be? Maybe I'm running into some problem there. |
| 21:31.36 | madriss | lol |
| 21:31.41 | lws | Anybody noticing particularly bad tar performance since upgrading from sarge -> etch? |
| 21:31.41 | stew | JordiGH: do they have a "A" next to them in the frontend |
| 21:31.41 | madriss | i shouldnt be trying to do any of this |
| 21:31.42 | hark | JordiGH: well,another way would be to just copy the package list which aptitude wants removed and add them to the install line |
| 21:31.48 | streuner | aptitude, info libc6 lenny |
| 21:31.50 | cblack0 | hey all, I am working on a preseed file and am having some issues. Previously it worked, but this time I get an error: debconf-set-selections: shift: 56: can't shift that many" |
| 21:31.53 | cblack0 | no google hits |
| 21:31.55 | madriss | i was just wondering why my hard drive wasnt showing up, until i noticed it wasnt plugged in |
| 21:31.56 | lws | Tar backups that usually took a few hours and now taking days. |
| 21:31.58 | cblack0 | other than the source |
| 21:32.00 | JordiGH | stew: Unused. That means they were marked as automatically installed, right? |
| 21:32.06 | streuner | aptitude, info libc6 testing |
| 21:32.13 | enouf | madriss: /msg aptitude grounding |
| 21:32.13 | aptitude | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6.ds1-13 (etch), Packaged size: 4590 kB, Installed size: 11032 kB |
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| 21:32.20 | stew | streuner: doh, maybe i need to 'svn update' to make it know about lenny |
| 21:32.21 | x_link | streuner: I'm 100% sure I'm using Debian lenny. |
| 21:32.23 | x_link | streuner: |
| 21:32.24 | x_link | sedde@sedde:~$ cat /etc/debian_version |
| 21:32.24 | x_link | lenny/sid |
| 21:32.26 | x_link | See |
| 21:32.32 | x_link | I'm not on etch. |
| 21:32.36 | streuner | stew: no, not really |
| 21:32.39 | streuner | ok |
| 21:32.45 | JordiGH | hark: Oh, dumb me. Yeah, looks like that works. |
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| 21:33.09 | streuner | What version of libc6 is now in testing, i cannot believe its still the version out of etch |
| 21:33.24 | enouf | looks like it |
| 21:33.42 | JordiGH | streuner: Yep. Methinks that it's gonna be a while before the unstable libc6 trickles down to testing. :-/ |
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| 21:33.48 | x_link | First when I changed to Testing last week I thought that KDe 3.5.6 would be in it. |
| 21:34.15 | streuner | yes, lenny/testing has still the version out of stable |
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| 21:34.17 | ustunozgur | why did the bot change? |
| 21:34.23 | JordiGH | Btw, I've never understood this. Why is it libc6 but the version number is at 2? |
| 21:34.27 | x_link | streuner: People woke up in #Debian-KDE now. They told me to ask here. |
| 21:34.34 | streuner | ustunozgur: dpkg is in vacation ;-) |
| 21:34.39 | x_link | So there is nobody that knows if/when KDE 3.5.6 will be in Testing? |
| 21:34.40 | streuner | haha |
| 21:35.04 | ustunozgur | are you adding new functionality? |
| 21:35.13 | JordiGH | ustunozgur: Probably net issues. |
| 21:35.21 | JordiGH | dpkg, hello! |
| 21:35.23 | obnauticus | arw/join #computers,#dreamweaver,#hardware |
| 21:35.30 | obnauticus | stew! |
| 21:35.36 | obnauticus | you knew! |
| 21:35.38 | obnauticus | About the disco ball?! |
| 21:35.58 | stew | obnauticus: i would have thought it would be "orbnauticus" though, as a disco ball is an orb of sorts |
| 21:36.25 | obnauticus | have you seen that aqua teen hunger force episode or soemthing? |
| 21:36.35 | stew | obnauticus: every episode |
| 21:36.40 | obnauticus | ya |
| 21:36.41 | obnauticus | LEET |
| 21:36.58 | obnauticus | "Just before we get started here....I have to let everyone know that I'm a registered sex offender..." |
| 21:37.05 | obnauticus | "100% all natrual tar." |
| 21:37.28 | obnauticus | stew the replicant episode is the funniest though |
| 21:37.28 | obnauticus | imp |
| 21:37.30 | obnauticus | imo* |
| 21:37.37 | obnauticus | the movie was so lame, like it was retarded. |
| 21:37.37 | streuner | x_link: to tell you the truth, i thought that packages come usually after a short period from unstable to testing, but after we figured out that libc6 is still the version from stable, i say, just have some patience then. |
| 21:37.54 | JordiGH | So why *is* it called libc6? |
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| 21:38.08 | JordiGH | What's the 6? |
| 21:38.18 | streuner | version? |
| 21:38.24 | obnauticus | it's the 6th library with a c in it |
| 21:38.25 | obnauticus | duh. |
| 21:38.27 | stew | JordiGH: soname |
| 21:38.32 | stew | JordiGH: read about sonames |
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| 21:39.02 | lws | JordiGH: it's the 6th binary incompatible release of libc? |
| 21:39.02 | JordiGH | obnauticus: So why is its version number 2.*? I'll read about sonames. |
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| 21:39.55 | obnauticus | It feels like it |
| 21:39.59 | Overflow-debian | guys,,,,, guesss who got SOUND working..... yay me...... |
| 21:40.07 | obnauticus | .. |
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| 21:40.10 | obnauticus | Guess what? |
| 21:40.13 | obnauticus | I have HAD sound working |
| 21:40.16 | enouf | Overflow-debian: no .. you're fibbing |
| 21:40.19 | obnauticus | (Operating system) Microsoft® Windows Vista™ Ultimate , version 6.0.6000 (69 processes running, 690.94MB free RAM, installed 4d 15h 52m 59s ago, 33m 58s uptime, 11h 8m 5s uptime record) |
| 21:40.27 | obnauticus | That's right, im on my lame partition |
| 21:40.28 | Overflow-debian | got it mate |
| 21:40.31 | enouf | ewww .. Blistas |
| 21:40.34 | obnauticus | ROFL |
| 21:40.35 | obnauticus | I have umm |
| 21:40.37 | obnauticus | FreeBSD |
| 21:40.38 | obnauticus | Gentoo |
| 21:40.43 | enouf | Overflow-debian: please do tell |
| 21:40.46 | obnauticus | debian and slackware partitioned on here... |
| 21:40.48 | streuner | aptitude, tell obnauticus about enter |
| 21:40.59 | JordiGH | Or about offtopic. |
| 21:41.01 | obnauticus | streuner this is the third time this has happened |
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| 21:41.10 | Overflow-debian | ok your sitting?? |
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| 21:41.29 | Overflow-debian | youw're* |
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| 21:41.49 | Overflow-debian | getting dislecia |
| 21:41.51 | muh2000 | hi there |
| 21:41.51 | Overflow-debian | lol |
| 21:42.14 | muh2000 | i need a good ipsec tutorial. does anybody has a link for me? |
| 21:42.26 | JordiGH | "Version 6 of the Linux C Library is version 2 of the GNU C Library; the confusion is because Linux has had multiple C library versions." |
| 21:42.29 | JordiGH | Huh? |
| 21:42.51 | Overflow-debian | ok.. there are the line jack sence.. and the headphone jack sence... |
| 21:42.53 | vulture | JordiGH: Linux's C library was perhaps not always GNU's C library. |
| 21:42.59 | vulture | perhaps version 1-4 were Bob's C library |
| 21:43.09 | JordiGH | vulture: I don't get it. I thought Linux was built for GNU. |
| 21:43.14 | Overflow-debian | i'v just needed to disable them... how stupid |
| 21:43.15 | x_link | streuner: Okej, cause I just changed to Sid, and it was still KDE 3.5.5. I tried it for like 5 minutes then I changed back To Testing |
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| 21:43.30 | Overflow-debian | sense* |
| 21:43.52 | Overflow-debian | stew and enouf: thx for your paciance...... |
| 21:43.54 | JordiGH | x_link: Wait, what? You easily downgraded KDE? |
| 21:44.10 | Overflow-debian | i love you guys(not in a gayish way) LOL |
| 21:44.14 | x_link | JordiGH: No, I didn't downgrade. |
| 21:44.30 | enouf | Overflow-debian: my pleasure .. now see http://goodbye-windows.com |
| 21:44.45 | x_link | JordiGH: I'm using Debian Testing, for like 40 minutes ago i just changed to Sid quick. Just wanted to try it out. When i was on Sid I looked which KDE version it had, and it was KDE 3.5.5 as well. |
| 21:44.52 | Overflow-debian | i got 1 more problem before that LOL |
| 21:44.52 | x_link | I changed back to Testing like 15 minutes ago. |
| 21:44.56 | JordiGH | x_link: You can keep track of what's in unstable without installing anything from unstable. |
| 21:45.10 | x_link | JordiGH: Okej, I don't know how to do that. |
| 21:45.12 | Overflow-debian | ati mobility radeon catalyst |
| 21:45.16 | JordiGH | x_link: I still don't understand. How did you check out unstable? You just saw the version numbers but didn't install anything from unstable? |
| 21:45.18 | enouf | uh oh .. |
| 21:45.19 | Overflow-debian | lol |
| 21:45.37 | Overflow-debian | ill leave it to tommorrow maybe |
| 21:45.46 | enouf | Overflow-debian: /msg aptitude laptop |
| 21:45.46 | stew | Overflow-debian: i haven't been paying close attention to your sound problem. but if you identified modules that need to be loaded for your sound to work, list them in /etc/modules |
| 21:45.53 | x_link | JordiGH: I wanted to try it out, so I changed "testing" to "sid" in my sources.list |
| 21:46.05 | x_link | But Beryl didn't work, so I changed back to Testing again., |
| 21:46.09 | JordiGH | x_link: And that's all you did? How did you try it out? aptitude upgrade? |
| 21:46.29 | x_link | JordiGH: Since Beryl didn't work I didn't want to use it. |
| 21:46.32 | enouf | Overflow-debian: best i can do http://technowizah.com/2006/10/debian-how-to-ati-drivers.html |
| 21:46.40 | x_link | JordiGH: Yes I did aptitude update, aptitude upgrade, aptitude dist-upgrade. |
| 21:47.13 | JordiGH | x_link: So you're still running unstable. You can't just change your sources.list down to testing and have testing again. |
| 21:47.30 | x_link | JordiGH: I don't run Unstable now, I run Testing. |
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| 21:47.55 | JordiGH | x_link: Nope, you're not. Try it. apt-cache policy libc6, it will be the unstable libc6 (2.5.something) |
| 21:47.57 | x_link | JordiGH: I have made a backup on my Debian Testing system with Acronis. |
| 21:48.05 | x_link | JordiGH: Yes I'am. |
| 21:48.11 | x_link | I just put in the CD and made a recover. |
| 21:48.12 | JordiGH | Oooohhh... You made a backup. Smart. |
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| 21:48.15 | x_link | =) |
| 21:48.22 | x_link | JordiGH: Otherwise I wouldn't change to Unstable. |
| 21:48.31 | x_link | JordiGH: Acronis is such a NICE program. |
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| 21:48.36 | x_link | I really really like it alot. |
| 21:48.37 | DawnLight | a stable guy |
| 21:48.58 | hark | sid does have 3.5.6 afaik |
| 21:48.59 | JordiGH | So what was the problem with Beryl? |
| 21:49.04 | x_link | DawnLight: Didn't you help me the other day? |
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| 21:49.13 | x_link | JordiGH: I didn't get it running, I don't know. |
| 21:49.27 | x_link | JordiGH: When it was on it's way to start loading my whole screen got white. |
| 21:49.32 | JordiGH | hark: Indeed it does. |
| 21:49.40 | JordiGH | x_link: Running the nvidia blob? |
| 21:49.45 | x_link | blob? |
| 21:49.48 | JordiGH | !blob |
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| 21:49.55 | JordiGH | %blob |
| 21:49.56 | x_link | JordiGH: I'm using nVIDIA 9755, the latest nvidia driver |
| 21:49.58 | JordiGH | &blob |
| 21:49.59 | aptitude | well, blob is a data type used in a relational database that can contain any type of binary data, including sound,video, graphics, etc. or a closed-source binary only driver that may not work properly or expose security threats that the community cannot fix. See: http://www.techspot.com/news/23217-nvidia-binary-linux-drivers-security-exploit.html |
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| 21:50.04 | Overflow-debian | a simple one, how do i make mplayer my default |
| 21:50.06 | JordiGH | x_link: Yes, you're running the blob. |
| 21:50.07 | x_link | JordiGH: I actually don't want to use Unstable, since I'm a newbie. |
| 21:50.19 | x_link | Okej. |
| 21:50.41 | JordiGH | The blob sucks. I just managed to get Beryl working on it right now, and it looks worse than the Beryl running on the free Intel drivers. |
| 21:50.50 | Overflow-debian | i cant belive it was such a stupid thing, with the alsa and all.. |
| 21:50.59 | hark | Overflow-debian: are you running a DE? |
| 21:51.16 | JordiGH | And I had tried to get Beryl working with the blob before and it never worked. I hate the blob, as I hate hell, all Capulets, and thee. |
| 21:51.49 | x_link | JordiGH: You didn't get Beryl to work with the 9755 driver? |
| 21:51.56 | jelly-home | JordiGH: :-( |
| 21:52.26 | jelly-home | JordiGH: I thought we were good for each other! |
| 21:52.38 | x_link | JordiGH: You mean that Beryl looks better on the Intel driver than the nvidia driver? How is that possible? |
| 21:52.39 | JordiGH | x_link: I've always had a lot of problems getting Beryl working with the nvidia blob, no matter what card it actually was. |
| 21:52.44 | Overflow-debian | debian you mean? yes gnome. |
| 21:52.44 | JordiGH | jelly-home: You're a Capulet? |
| 21:52.48 | anapivirtua | Ola / Hi / Bonsoir |
| 21:52.52 | x_link | JordiGH: Then you must have done something wrong=) |
| 21:52.56 | jelly-home | JordiGH: you said thee |
| 21:52.58 | Overflow-debian | gnome on Etch |
| 21:53.05 | x_link | JordiGH: If I can installit easily then EVERYBODY can install Beryl ;D |
| 21:53.18 | JordiGH | x_link: The nvidia blob sucks. Yes, it looks better on the free Intel drivers. |
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| 21:53.54 | jelly-home | DRI stopped working here on i915 after upgrading to xorg 7.2 / X server 1.3.0.0 / unstable :-( |
| 21:53.55 | hark | Overflow-debian: right click the file, go to properties and in the open with tab, set it to mplayer |
| 21:54.01 | JordiGH | Well, for some effects. Transparent cube works better on nvidia, but the wobbly windows and the snapping is slow with the blob. |
| 21:54.25 | JordiGH | The maximise effect looks terrible. |
| 21:54.44 | x_link | JordiGH: Okej... I think it works good for me. |
| 21:54.45 | JordiGH | And it's really hard to crash the blob with Nexuiz. |
| 21:54.50 | JordiGH | Er, really easy. |
| 21:54.55 | x_link | But I have never tried with the Intel driver so I can't tell. |
| 21:55.09 | JordiGH | Just enable some effects, disable a few others... After a while, Nexuiz manages to crash it. |
| 21:55.09 | x_link | Nexuiz =) |
| 21:55.12 | x_link | That game is really fas |
| 21:55.14 | x_link | fast |
| 21:55.21 | x_link | ok |
| 21:55.44 | x_link | JordiGH: It's a bit annoying that you can't use JAVA applications under Beryl. |
| 21:56.13 | JordiGH | x_link: I've seen that. Why is that? Do you know? I sorta managed to get it working by starting the java application before starting Beryl. |
| 21:56.23 | x_link | Yeah |
| 21:56.26 | x_link | That way it works. |
| 21:56.49 | x_link | I can stop Beryl --> start Limewire --> load beryl again. |
| 21:56.57 | x_link | But you shouldn't have to do like that. |
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| 21:57.10 | x_link | JordiGH: I knew why before, but I forgot. |
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| 21:57.15 | JordiGH | I do wonder what the problem is. Perhaps java is using the X server in a way that confuses Beryl. |
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| 21:57.24 | x_link | It's something with GPL and java if I remember it right. |
| 21:57.38 | x_link | JordiGH: I will ask, hold on. |
| 21:58.00 | x_link | DawnLight: Are you the guy that helped me the other day? |
| 21:58.32 | JordiGH | x_link: Looks like it's a complicated answer: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Java |
| 21:58.36 | grendelson | I have a USB disk I partitioned , created LVM partitions on sda3 and formatteed all partitions on machine A, I then used this disk on Machine B(n NSLU2) and chose mount points but to NOT format. Now when I move the drive bak to the original machine A I can access sda1 and see thesda2 swap but all the LVs are not accessible on the LVM partition (3) |
| 21:58.45 | hark | there's something in the wiki about fixing the java problem. I believe xingu had it working |
| 21:58.50 | Sph | Hi is existing some bug on Debian about Dvd |
| 21:58.59 | grendelson | Even though I created and formatted them on A, They are all active and avaialbel according to LVM |
| 21:59.03 | Overflow-debian | thx |
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| 21:59.11 | grendelson | But when I tryt mount I get bad superblock or 0 byta partition errors. |
| 21:59.19 | JordiGH | Sph: DVD CSS isn't in Debian for patent-related reasons. |
| 21:59.21 | x_link | JordiGH: I will take a look now. |
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| 21:59.23 | grendelson | Any ideas on why the volumes are inaccessible? |
| 21:59.33 | Sph | Like libdvdcss |
| 21:59.57 | x_link | JordiGH: Did you do as the site says? |
| 21:59.59 | JordiGH | Sph: Yes, I like it. |
| 22:00.10 | JordiGH | x_link: No, I just found it. And I don't have any Java applications here. |
| 22:00.32 | x_link | Okej. |
| 22:00.47 | x_link | Looks like alot of work just to get java apps working |
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| 22:01.04 | x_link | JordiGH: Why doesn't Debian have the latest nvidia driver in the repo? |
| 22:01.16 | JordiGH | x_link: Because it's bad enough that it has it at all. |
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| 22:01.58 | x_link | JordiGH: I didn't understand that, but ok |
| 22:02.55 | JordiGH | x_link: Debian *shouldn't* have an nvidia blob. It's a big smear on the DFSG. The non-free section of Debian isn't officially part of Debian. If you run into problems with it, you're not supposed to expect the DDs to fix it. |
| 22:03.45 | x_link | JordiGH: Alright mate. |
| 22:05.35 | JordiGH | x_link: http://openbsd.org/lyrics.html#39 |
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| 22:08.13 | x_link | JordiGH: Thanks! |
| 22:08.44 | fouressence | Hi, I'm getting and error when I try to boot into Etch: I/O error reading swsusp |
| 22:08.48 | stew | debian supports non-free, you should expect that a maintainer that has a package in non-free should support it just as he would a package in main |
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| 22:09.20 | fouressence | Any ideas how to fix this problem? |
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| 22:09.55 | ghata1 | how do i install sun java on debian.... apt-cache does not return any results.... ? |
| 22:09.55 | madriss | does it check the hard drive for errors or anything or give you a command prompt, or is it just stuck on that error? |
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| 22:10.11 | loesh|home | !java |
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| 22:10.33 | fouressence | madriss: Nope, afraid it's just stuck there. |
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| 22:10.48 | signuts | Why does lmsensors never work for me! |
| 22:10.50 | JordiGH | stew: Should I file bugs for the blob for crashing with Nexuiz? |
| 22:10.55 | stew | JordiGH: yes |
| 22:11.00 | dort | fouressence can you boot into single user mode? |
| 22:11.02 | ghata1 | loesh|home: what does that mean ? |
| 22:11.06 | madriss | hmmm im no expert im afraid, quite new to linux myself, but sounds like your hard drive is failing to me |
| 22:11.13 | loesh|home | &java |
| 22:11.14 | aptitude | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in etch/sid in non-free. Ask me about <install java>. ask me about <non-free> |
| 22:11.21 | loesh|home | ghata1, there you go :) |
| 22:11.26 | ghata1 | ahhh... |
| 22:11.38 | JordiGH | stew: Alright, then I don't get it. "Debian is 100% free". |
| 22:11.41 | loesh|home | is dpkg tired? O_o |
| 22:12.04 | fouressence | madriss: Lol, hope not (duh). I did plug in two other drives after installing, so perhaps those are causing issues... |
| 22:12.05 | dort | JordiGH what don't you get? |
| 22:12.09 | ghata1 | !install java |
| 22:12.14 | JordiGH | dort: What's 100% free about non-free? |
| 22:12.26 | dort | non-free isn't debian |
| 22:12.28 | stew | JordiGH: yes, but read the last sentence of the social contract. we provide our facilities "bts / mailinglists" for non-free software configured to run with debian as well |
| 22:12.38 | stew | JordiGH: non-free is not part of debian. we support it however |
| 22:12.50 | JordiGH | stew: what does it mean that it's not part of Debian, then? |
| 22:12.51 | dort | if you included those in your sources.list then that's outside of debian proper |
| 22:12.58 | JordiGH | stew: How does Debian treat it differently? |
| 22:13.04 | JordiGH | Besides giving it the branding, I mean. |
| 22:13.05 | madriss | can u try ctrl + c to get a command prompt |
| 22:13.12 | madriss | might stop it doing whatever its trying to do |
| 22:13.33 | SmallR2002 | anyone got any suggestions on how i could copy any data i had held in id3v1 over to id3v2 if there is nothing already present in that field? |
| 22:13.34 | stew | JordiGH: it doesn't put non-free on the cds for instance. and doesn't configure apt to pull packcages from non-free, for some examples |
| 22:13.37 | fouressence | madriss: ctrl+c at the error? |
| 22:13.46 | madriss | yeah |
| 22:14.03 | fouressence | K. I'll give that a try next, |
| 22:14.09 | madriss | im assuming this is during bootup |
| 22:14.17 | fouressence | Yups |
| 22:14.25 | JordiGH | stew: Hm... ok. Is it at least low priority? I mean, should a DD feel obligated to handle bugs from main before she handles bugs from non-free? |
| 22:14.43 | signuts | Ahhhh! papaya kernel: CPU0: Running in modulated clock mode, sensors never works for me, it doesn't say there is a problem |
| 22:14.58 | madriss | it might not work, but sometimes if its trying to do something and its causing an error itll keep trying to do it and u have to ctrl + c to cancel, then u get command prompt, then u can check ur hard disk or something like using e2fsck |
| 22:15.07 | stew | JordiGH: a DD should not feel obligated to do anything |
| 22:15.13 | fouressence | madriss: It is a SCSI 10k drive I've installed to, so that might be some of the issue... Don't know really. |
| 22:15.16 | signuts | Anyone have any lm-sensors experience? |
| 22:15.19 | stew | JordiGH: (as per the constitution) |
| 22:15.32 | madriss | don't know anything about specific drives sorry :( |
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| 22:16.38 | fouressence | Lol, maybe I'll just go back to installing on my sata drive. I never had issues there. :) |
| 22:17.01 | madriss | lol |
| 22:17.04 | signuts | fouressence, what error? |
| 22:17.33 | signuts | more for curiosity sake, I doubt I can fix it :) |
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| 22:17.44 | fouressence | signuts: I was getting an "I/O error reading swsusp" |
| 22:17.57 | hark | JordiGH: http://www.debian.org/vote/2004/vote_002 |
| 22:18.08 | fouressence | signuts: It happened after I plugged in two additional drivers after installing. |
| 22:18.20 | signuts | ahh |
| 22:18.26 | agent | Doing LVM2 + LUKS netinstall results in device-mapper error. Anyone have any ideas? |
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| 22:19.41 | signuts | fouressence, I have had similar problems. Seems that devices are detected in different orders. I have 6 drives in one machine, 5 in a raid. Sometimes the system drive comes in the beginning (sda), middle (sd?) or end (sdf) and I fail to boot. Can you read the drive ID strings in the boot to see if it is in fact the same disk? |
| 22:19.52 | agent | How do I "decrypt" an "encrypted" pdf (one that is blocking editing and printing)? Using pdf2ps works, but the file is not all intact. |
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| 22:20.18 | psykidellic | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:20.23 | Odinn | virtual memory exhausted: Cannot allocate memory |
| 22:20.23 | Odinn | <Odinn> make: *** [qrc_qfgres.o] Error 1 |
| 22:20.26 | Odinn | help? O_O |
| 22:20.29 | JordiGH | hark: I always seem to emerge a little annoyed by those votes. But then again, if Debian didn't distribute non-free at all, I wouldn't be able to get the GFDL docs (and I disagree very strongly with the outcome of the GFDL vote). |
| 22:20.31 | psykidellic | something like ls > file |
| 22:21.09 | signuts | psykidellic, taht sounds more like a #bash question, but dirname, readlink -f and find might be of help |
| 22:21.10 | Nemoder | psykidellic: 'find' might work better than ls |
| 22:21.22 | fouressence | signuts: Not sure. That does sound a bit like the problem though; my IDE drive always seems to like taking over as the first drive, even if I've told the system otherwise. |
| 22:22.05 | psykidellic | aaah... i guess bash question |
| 22:22.09 | psykidellic | i will search the docs then |
| 22:22.23 | hark | JordiGH: yeah, and if you read the link in that page(rationale for the argument), they do try to justify it |
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| 22:22.48 | daag | psykidellic, find . -name "*" |
| 22:22.56 | JordiGH | hark: Reading it already. Distributing GFDL docs is one reason they cite. :-/ |
| 22:23.09 | Odinn | anyone? |
| 22:23.20 | psykidellic | daag. hmm interesting let me try |
| 22:23.35 | madriss | ummm |
| 22:23.55 | madriss | i just resized my partition and now when i boot my computer it just says Press Ctrl+Alt+Del to restart :| |
| 22:23.55 | JordiGH | So why isn't the Marillat archive in an illegal section or whatever? :-) |
| 22:23.56 | xoz | how long does it take for memtest to finish in a 512mb ram, 1.4 GHZ computer? |
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| 22:24.07 | stew | JordiGH: out of curiosity what would you rather have come out of the GFDL vote? allowing non-free docs in main? |
| 22:24.07 | xoz | !marillat |
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| 22:24.23 | xoz | ~marillat |
| 22:24.24 | apt | [marillat] an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ |
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| 22:24.29 | JordiGH | stew: I disagree that the GFDL is non-free. I don't think you need a right to put words in RMS's mouth. |
| 22:24.31 | psykidellic | daag, hmm should work with some changes specific to my needs |
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| 22:24.54 | fouressence | madriss: This must be the day for HDD issues. I've had the same problem before with resizing partitions, but, unfrotunately, I can't remember how (if I did at all) I fixed it. |
| 22:25.00 | JordiGH | stew: I also think that it's reasonable to expect non-technical sections to be unmodifiable and that there is a clear distinction between software and documentation. |
| 22:25.05 | xoz | JordiGH: ^^^ |
| 22:25.10 | madriss | :( |
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| 22:25.29 | JordiGH | xoz: Yeah, I know what Marillat is. I'm just curious why it isn't treated the same way non-free is. |
| 22:25.29 | signuts | How do you read what file an inode points to? |
| 22:25.32 | hark | JordiGH: marillat's archive is not part of Debian at all, and don't think he has anyhing to worry about w.r.t patent issues |
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| 22:26.03 | JordiGH | hark: Oh, he has no patent problems? So why can't we put Marillat's stuff in Debian? |
| 22:26.19 | xoz | JordiGH: non-free has no patent issues |
| 22:26.29 | JordiGH | xoz: Neither does Marillat, according to hark. :-) |
| 22:26.53 | cydork | JordiGH: no he said marillat doesn't have to worry about it. |
| 22:26.56 | xoz | JordiGH: tell it to the manufacturers of dvd |
| 22:27.09 | stew | JordiGH: so you don't think that being modifiable is an important attribute to free software? |
| 22:27.19 | aphexer | I installed postfix on my debian server. When it accepts utf8 mails it stores them in some wrong format in the queue... So utf8 mails just get through wrong. When I use another mailserver it works fine. How can I setup debian to correctly use utf8? |
| 22:27.27 | fouressence | madriss: Wait a second... Something is seeping back into memory. I believe that the way I fixed the problem was to use 7tools boot corrector to repair the MBR. I'd imagine there's something OSS that could do this though. |
| 22:27.55 | JordiGH | stew: Yes, but I don't think documentation is software. And before you bring up the Emacs reference card example, let me say that small excerpts are almost surely covered under Fair Use anyways. |
| 22:28.08 | madriss | hmm not sure how to do that but at least there should be a way to fix it lol |
| 22:28.25 | hark | JordiGH: he's not in the US/Germany which has problems with it.. i guess that's probably the reason (kindof like non-us earlier) |
| 22:28.27 | stew | JordiGH: so can we make an except that contains everything but the manifesto? |
| 22:28.36 | madriss | thanks :) at least i have an idea its probably the MBR now |
| 22:28.50 | stew | JordiGH: do you realize that many if not most dictionaries definte software as explicitly including documentation? |
| 22:29.18 | madriss | perhaps if i go ahead and install debian to the new partition it will install grub and then i can boot into my windows partition from that |
| 22:29.19 | fouressence | madriss: Yup, that's exactly what I did, now that I'm remembering --resized the partition. So definitely it can be fixed. |
| 22:29.19 | madriss | risky though lol |
| 22:29.34 | JordiGH | stew: Saying that a 500+ page document is non-free because it includes an unmodifiable section worth of ten pages (eight of which are license texts which Debian considers to be unmodifiable anyways) is damn silly. The technical part of the manual, the part that matters, is modifiable. The non-free sections only have to be included when you create a substantial copy of the original manual. |
| 22:29.55 | xoz | JordiGH: without proper documentation, software is good for nothing |
| 22:29.58 | fouressence | madriss: That'd work, I believe. |
| 22:30.00 | JordiGH | xoz: Agreed. |
| 22:30.15 | JordiGH | xoz: Which is why it's so annoying to get "man gcc" and be told it's undocumented. |
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| 22:30.40 | madriss | hm might try it then :P |
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| 22:31.04 | JordiGH | stew: If you make an "excerpt" of everything (hundreds of pages) what's the harm in including two unmodifiable pages in a sea of modifiable pages? |
| 22:31.24 | fouressence | madiss: (Don't know if it's allowed to post URLS here, but ehh) http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2005/11/how-to-repair-corrupt-mbr-and-boot.html Has instructions on how to fix the MBVR |
| 22:31.28 | fouressence | **MBR |
| 22:31.56 | madriss | thanks! :P |
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| 22:31.56 | madriss | so glad you're here lol |
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| 22:32.18 | madriss | hmm useful to know i cant use hibernate too lol |
| 22:32.23 | xoz | JordiGH: im sure debian-legal and debian dds have carefully deliberate about it. |
| 22:32.33 | BUMBACL0T | !lol |
| 22:32.33 | stew | JordiGH: the harm is that I dont' want to include them |
| 22:32.37 | xoz | *deliberated |
| 22:32.41 | BUMBACL0T | dpkg |
| 22:32.48 | madriss | brb ill try these instructions |
| 22:32.49 | JordiGH | xoz: They have. And I disagree with their conclusions anyways. |
| 22:33.32 | madriss | looks like theyr just using a dist cd to install grub, so maybe installing debian will fix it |
| 22:34.09 | JordiGH | stew: Btw, I only see one dictionary who includes documentation as part of the definition of "software": http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/software |
| 22:34.26 | BUMBACL0T | why's dpkg dead? |
| 22:34.45 | JordiGH | stew: And you don't need to modify people's opinions. It's illegal to do that anyways: that's called slander. |
| 22:34.47 | madriss | BUMBACLOT: yeah i noticed that.. dunno why though |
| 22:35.24 | JordiGH | stew: To me Debian arguing that the GFDL is non-free is akin to BSD zealots saying that the GPL is non-free. |
| 22:35.36 | madriss | fouressence: good news is its still showing as 32GB of stuff is on the other partition so its not destroyed completely yet lol |
| 22:35.47 | stew | JordiGH: i'm sorry you think i have slandered anybody. i don't know what I might have said to make you think that> |
| 22:36.08 | fouressence | madriss: Always a good thing. :) |
| 22:36.29 | madriss | ah |
| 22:36.37 | madriss | oh nm |
| 22:36.52 | JordiGH | stew: You want to modify an RMS rant. Or perhaps you'd like to change the MOTIVATION newspaper article that was distributed with Emacs in order to make it seem like the results reported in the article occurred otherwise. Both of those are not rights you need nor even should have. |
| 22:37.24 | stew | JordiGH: i want to do no such thing. I never said i wanted to do such a thing |
| 22:37.38 | JordiGH | stew: Good. Then the GFDL is good enough for you. |
| 22:37.43 | stew | JordiGH: no it isn't |
| 22:37.54 | JordiGH | stew: Why not? You don't want to do the things it prohibits. |
| 22:38.03 | stew | JordiGH: i want to remove the manifesto |
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| 22:38.23 | madriss | writing to the new partition now... omg its scary ive never partitioned anything before its like im destroying my computer lol |
| 22:38.28 | JordiGH | stew: Why? It's insignificant in size compared with the rest. Why would you want to remove it? |
| 22:38.38 | stew | JordiGH: it doesn't matter why |
| 22:38.48 | karsten | JordiGH: How many do you see who include it in their definition of hardware. |
| 22:39.00 | JordiGH | stew: Would you like to remove the copyright statement too or the acknowledgment clauses? You're gonna argue the BSD licenses are non-free because they make you keep attributions? |
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| 22:39.29 | karsten | JordiGH: And BSD folks (the smart ones at any rate, which is to say most of those involved in actually managing distros) don't argue that GPL is non-free, but that they don't agree with its philosophy. |
| 22:39.36 | karsten | JordiGH: ... which is entirely fair. |
| 22:39.38 | stew | JordiGH: i don't want to do any of those things |
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| 22:40.17 | JordiGH | stew: So why are attributions free but a manifesto that's incomparable in size with te rest of the document non-free? |
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| 22:40.42 | karsten | JordiGH: attributions of authorship? |
| 22:40.47 | x_link | BAAAAAAAAHHH! |
| 22:40.53 | JordiGH | karsten: True. I was talking about BSD zealots, though. It's rather funny how OpenBSD wouldn't include GPL code in the kernel, though. |
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| 22:40.59 | x_link | I helped DawnLight for 30 minutes |
| 22:41.10 | x_link | I wrote shitload of stuff for him and now he quits |
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| 22:41.19 | x_link | ahh |
| 22:41.20 | x_link | DawnLight: =) |
| 22:41.25 | JordiGH | DawnLight: We were just talking about you. |
| 22:41.27 | JoshH | inane license arguments put me to sleep |
| 22:41.42 | karsten | JordiGH: I can see why they wouldn't include it in the kernel, it's an incompatible license. Fact is OpenBSD has a stated goal (policy) of replacing GPL'd code with non-GPL'd equivalents wherever possible. |
| 22:41.45 | DawnLight | you were |
| 22:41.50 | x_link | DawnLight: Yeah |
| 22:41.59 | x_link | DawnLight: You missed everything I wrote for you now |
| 22:42.01 | karsten | JordiGH: Main exceptions these days are likely gcc and libc, though I haven't checked. |
| 22:42.06 | x_link | Did you get disconnected? |
| 22:42.14 | DawnLight | had to restart x |
| 22:42.17 | x_link | ok |
| 22:42.18 | x_link | I must go now |
| 22:42.20 | x_link | Good night! |
| 22:42.21 | JordiGH | karsten: OpenBSD also distributes bash, iirc. |
| 22:42.25 | DawnLight | bye |
| 22:42.26 | x_link | DawnLight: good luck mate! |
| 22:42.28 | xoz | JordiGH: BSD is a subset of GPL |
| 22:42.31 | DawnLight | thanks |
| 22:42.33 | bonez39 | how would I move my /usr, which now resides on /dev/sda5 to a different partition, /dev/sda9? I am booted up from Knoppix disc... |
| 22:42.50 | karsten | JordiGH: As for attributions, those are a right of authorship and teypically are required by copyright law. Misrepresentation of same is violation of US law. |
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| 22:43.13 | karsten | JordiGH: Not as part of the base system. It's roughly equivalent to Debian's non-free. |
| 22:43.33 | aphexer | I installed postfix on my debian server. When it accepts utf8 mails it stores them in some wrong format in the queue... So utf8 mails just get through wrong. When I use another mailserver it works fine. How can I setup debian to correctly use utf8? |
| 22:43.46 | madriss | im installing debian and i wana use XFCE, is it as simple as doing apt-get install xfce4 when its installed or should i install the "Desktop Environment" to begin with so i get GDM login manager and GNome etc |
| 22:43.47 | JordiGH | karsten: Misrepresentation of personal opinions is also illegal. Why does Debian want do it anyways? |
| 22:44.08 | daddyio | any idea how to fix gnome-system-tools / system-tools-backends dep problem in sid? |
| 22:44.24 | karsten | JordiGH: Sorry, was that a specific statement of misrepresentation? And it's illegal where and under what statute? |
| 22:44.31 | JordiGH | madriss: xfce4 should be enough. |
| 22:44.33 | wintix | madriss: the standard debian install won't install something graphical unless you tell it to. install xfce4 and x-window-system to get started. |
| 22:44.38 | karsten | JordiGH: Bullshit arguments are, unfortunately, not illegal. Merely time-wasting. |
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| 22:44.51 | karsten | madriss: Should work. |
| 22:45.06 | madriss | ok thanks everyone :) |
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| 22:45.21 | JordiGH | karsten: Under most laws, slander and libel are illegal. Modifying one of the non-technical personal opinion unmodifiable sections of GFDL docs would constitute slander. |
| 22:45.24 | hark | madriss: install xorg too |
| 22:45.33 | madriss | ok |
| 22:45.35 | wintix | hark: x-window-system will do that. |
| 22:45.45 | dmlb2000 | Anyone know how one can become a debian developer? |
| 22:45.56 | karsten | JordiGH: And...? |
| 22:46.01 | karsten | dmlb2000: Petition. |
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| 22:46.22 | wintix | .oO( is the bot down? ) |
| 22:46.24 | stew | JordiGH: yeah, this is why the opinion probably doesn't belong in debian |
| 22:46.29 | JordiGH | karsten: And Debian labels GFDL docs because it can't do something that's illegal to do anyways and because it whines about including something as relatively small as attributions. |
| 22:46.29 | PyL | Hello all, it is not difficult to study linux and programming in C++, but what is difficult is that i can't keep the right mood (state) for constantly studying them, what do you guys do for this? how do you manage or you don't have such a problem? |
| 22:46.31 | dmlb2000 | karsten: meh? get enough debian devs to say you are okay then you're in? |
| 22:46.50 | wintix | who is responsible for the bot? |
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| 22:47.03 | madriss | probably another bot :P |
| 22:47.15 | karsten | holdenSK: Having the right to legally modify a document doesn't give you pass on all other laws. Modifying a document freely allowing same to include realistic C-notes on every page would still be counterfeiting. That's a completely straw-man argument. |
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| 22:47.28 | karsten | holdenSK: Erm, misfire. |
| 22:47.31 | karsten | JordiGH: ^^ |
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| 22:47.42 | stew | JordiGH: it would be illegal for me to modify the microsoft nt kernel. that doens't mean it belongs main. that means it belongs in non-free |
| 22:47.51 | stew | (if anywhere, that is) |
| 22:48.09 | karsten | dmlb2000: https://nm.debian.org/ http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 22:48.12 | JordiGH | karsten: What's a C-note? |
| 22:48.16 | madriss | fouressence: whew i think its detected windows.. will see in a minute lol |
| 22:48.22 | EdLin | stew: there might be slight copyright problems... |
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| 22:48.30 | karsten | JordiGH: Franklin. 100 dollar bill. C == 100 in roman numerals. |
| 22:48.50 | DawnLight | is it really illegal to modify the microsoft nt kernel? |
| 22:48.51 | EdLin | ~lol |
| 22:48.52 | apt | extra, extra, read all about it, lol is stands for Laughs Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead. |
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| 22:49.47 | JordiGH | karsten: Huh? I don't follow what you're saying. I'm saying that Debian doesn't need a right to modify the unmodifiable sections of non-free docs, since it's illegal to do so anyways, just as it would be illegal to put C-notes in every page of a doc. |
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| 22:49.55 | dmlb2000 | karsten: interesting thanks |
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| 22:50.44 | stew | JordiGH: and the slander argument is not really valid in my mind becuase of the following. i could take some gpl software, and make it so that when you start the program, it pops up a dialog box that says, "RMS said the following, 'blahblahblah'" this would not violate the license, but might be slanderous. Becuase this possibility for slaner exists, it does not mean that the gpl'ed software is not fit for inclusion in debian |
| 22:51.30 | karsten | JordiGH: There are plenty of ways to modify documents in legal ways w/o distorting original meaning or misattributing it. |
| 22:51.30 | DawnLight | there should be an "illegal" repository |
| 22:51.35 | r0otz | stew: any idea how i can check for mysql version? |
| 22:51.50 | DawnLight | main contrib non-free illegal |
| 22:51.57 | stew | r0otz: apt-cache policy mysql-server |
| 22:52.02 | karsten | JordiGH: Debian takes a strong view of not including functional works which are encumbered against modification, including both programs and docs. |
| 22:52.06 | r0otz | ahh yess |
| 22:52.06 | r0otz | crap |
| 22:52.25 | stew | DawnLight: there is debian-multimedia.org and debian-unofficial.org for that |
| 22:52.26 | karsten | JordiGH: Anyhow, I'm done with this. |
| 22:53.10 | JordiGH | stew: Huh? My point with the slander is that the GFDL forbids an action that's forbidden anyways. It doesn't add any extra restrictions. You would have to treat the unmodifiable section the same way even if the GFDL didn't explicitly forbid its modification. |
| 22:53.29 | Ronin | karsten: indeed |
| 22:53.33 | stew | JordiGH: i want to remove it, and i'm not allowed |
| 22:53.43 | stew | JordiGH: and removing it is not slander |
| 22:53.50 | Ronin | karsten: isnt there a #debian-supergeeks they can go? ;) |
| 22:53.57 | JordiGH | stew: As far as them being unremovable, it makes about as big a dent as attribution clauses being unremovable. |
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| 22:55.11 | karsten | Ronin: There's #debian-offtopic |
| 22:55.34 | JordiGH | Maybe we should go to #debian-tired-of-this-shit |
| 22:55.44 | stew | karsten: however debian is offtopic there |
| 22:56.06 | karsten | stew: How can something be offtopic in an offtopic channel? |
| 22:56.24 | stew | karsten: dunno |
| 22:56.25 | vin` | it's like copyleft |
| 22:56.27 | karsten | http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/773.html |
| 22:56.30 | bonez39 | how does one SAFELY move /usr to bigger partition? |
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| 22:57.02 | karsten | bonez39: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Hard-Disk-Upgrade/index.html |
| 22:57.05 | stew | bonez39: with it mounted readonly |
| 22:57.12 | Fly-Man- | HELP |
| 22:57.32 | karsten | dpkg disk upgrade is http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Hard-Disk-Upgrade/index.html |
| 22:57.42 | karsten | Fly-Man-: Press <F1> |
| 22:57.42 | wintix | !tell Fly-Man- about ask |
| 22:57.42 | stew | dpkg is still sleeping |
| 22:57.46 | karsten | Feh. |
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| 22:57.49 | Fly-Man- | How do I set my Apache 2.2 to use the right directory for wildcard sites |
| 22:58.11 | wintix | stew: well. thought maybe that apt thing would work. |
| 22:58.11 | karsten | Fly-Man-: /join #apache |
| 22:58.17 | bonez39 | stew, ok, I have my system booted up right now from knoppix cd..... |
| 22:58.20 | Fly-Man- | karsten, thanx |
| 22:58.22 | karsten | Fly-Man-: Generally: mod-rewrite and aliasing. |
| 22:58.42 | Fly-Man- | karsten> a2enmod vhost_alias |
| 22:58.43 | Fly-Man- | already done that |
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| 22:58.56 | Fly-Man- | but for some reason, it can't find the right dire |
| 22:58.57 | stew | bonez39: then moving stuff around should be safe. make sure, of course, to edit fstab |
| 22:58.59 | karsten | Fly-Man-: Then ask at #apache. |
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| 23:00.25 | bonez39 | stew, ok, the partition I want to move /usr to is my /home partition...which is over 50 gb... anything special I need to do in moving it there? |
| 23:00.55 | usr_rob | ironic, http://www.openbsd.org/ |
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| 23:01.28 | JordiGH | usr_rob: Ha! Nice find. :-) |
| 23:01.29 | stew | no, just make, for instance a /home/usr ; then cp -a /usr/* /home/usr/ ; then umount /usr ; ln -s /home/usr /usr ; and remove /usr from /etc/fstab |
| 23:01.34 | usr_rob | :P |
| 23:01.51 | bonez39 | stew, thanks... |
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| 23:02.18 | Ronin | JordiGH: it went on long enough to be one |
| 23:02.24 | usr_rob | JordiGH, did take a screencapture on it, hehe .. |
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| 23:02.50 | usr_rob | JordiGH, "geeky" .. |
| 23:03.02 | JordiGH | Ronin: Really? It's been like that for a while? |
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| 23:03.40 | lfs | Can I put grub on a USB memory stick? |
| 23:03.46 | stew | lfs: yes |
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| 23:03.59 | JordiGH | lfs? Linux from scratch? |
| 23:04.03 | Soccrmastr | hey guys just real quick whats the user-specific config file for X? |
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| 23:04.11 | lfs | How to do it. Just run grub-install /dev |
| 23:04.19 | DrthHmstr | I'll soon find out |
| 23:04.29 | stew | lfs: yes, you'll probably need to specify --root-directory |
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| 23:04.46 | JordiGH | Soccrmastr: User specific? .Xauthority? |
| 23:05.01 | Soccrmastr | i thought it was somethign like .xinitrc in ~? |
| 23:05.16 | stew | Soccrmastr: .xsession |
| 23:05.20 | karsten | Soccrmastr: You're probably thinking of .xinitrc, .xsession, or .Xsession, which are pretty-much interchangeable. |
| 23:05.39 | vanksi | i upgraded my kernel from 2.6.18 to 2.6.21 and compiled loop-aes again and all of the sudden i can't execute any of the binaries on my encrypted hdd anymore |
| 23:05.41 | karsten | Soccrmastr: man startx, search ^FILES |
| 23:06.00 | bonez39 | stew, your last comment about moving things around...is that live, at init level 1 or , booted from knoppix disc? |
| 23:06.09 | vanksi | how is this possible, it just says that file or directory does not exist |
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| 23:06.30 | stew | bonez39: from the knoppix disk or with /usr mounted readonly (from any runlevel) |
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| 23:08.09 | vanksi | the binaries and all the files that were there are still there and i can edit them, just can't execute them |
| 23:09.13 | Soccrmastr | thanks JordiGH, stew, karsten ;) |
| 23:10.01 | JordiGH | I wasn't helpful, but you're welcome anyways. |
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| 23:11.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | grmp, my 1st name is 'karsten', this is very irritating :( |
| 23:11.37 | Soccrmastr | Yeah, I thought I had some setting wrong because I could run X in root, but not as user even with sudo it would just crash after it showed the grid screen. I just went to a new outlet in my wal and it worked, but I doubt thats really what fixed it heh |
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| 23:11.54 | runa | how can i change the hostname; when i do "hostname asdfsdf" i have problems with adresses like localhost |
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| 23:12.16 | epsilon | is it a good idea to run shred on /dev/hdX (without partition number)? |
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| 23:12.50 | stew | runa: after you change you hostname, make sure to update /etc/hosts ; does /etc/hosts contain an entry from localhost? |
| 23:12.50 | epsilon | or should I create a partition first and shred inside |
| 23:13.00 | nati | Just a quick question, do the regular installation discs allow you to just install a base system much like the netinst ones? |
| 23:13.33 | stew | nati: yes, they are the same installer, only differing in where they fetch packages from |
| 23:13.43 | nati | Ah, alright -- shivy. |
| 23:13.51 | runa | i do not have /etc/hosts |
| 23:14.01 | stew | runa: that would be the source of your localhost problem |
| 23:14.04 | JordiGH | epsilon: You want to shred an entire hard drive? Yes, that's fine. |
| 23:14.26 | JordiGH | epsilon: But the only spook-safe way to destroy data is to destroy the medium it's in. ;-) |
| 23:14.53 | stew | what if he has the GNU manifesto on the drive he can't delete that! |
| 23:15.07 | JordiGH | Alright, you made me laugh. :-) |
| 23:15.10 | stew | JordiGH: :) |
| 23:15.18 | cafuego | !info php5 etch |
| 23:15.30 | stew | &info php5 etch |
| 23:15.34 | aptitude | php5: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (meta-package)), section web, is optional. Version: 5.2.0-8+etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 20 kB |
| 23:15.35 | stew | cafuego: dpkg is sleepy |
| 23:16.24 | DavidW2 | What is the correct way to start a daemon as another user in an /etc/init.d script? |
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| 23:17.07 | cafuego | aptitude isn't up tod ate though (or isn't listing security versions) |
| 23:17.10 | stew | DavidW2: with start-stop-daemon |
| 23:17.27 | stew | cafuego: lemme check |
| 23:17.37 | cafuego | I already have 5.2.0-8+etch3 |
| 23:17.56 | streuner | doesn't matter much |
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| 23:18.15 | streuner | 'dpkg' should be back again soon... |
| 23:18.43 | DaveyB | How do I zip files in debian? |
| 23:18.58 | cafuego | 's ok, it's just missing security |
| 23:18.59 | Soccrmastr | tar |
| 23:19.01 | xand | DaveyB: the "zip" command maybe> |
| 23:19.01 | DaveyB | Is there an application for Gnome? |
| 23:19.04 | streuner | DaveyB: man zip |
| 23:19.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | with zip? :) |
| 23:19.06 | cafuego | DaveyB: file-roller |
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| 23:19.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok, 3 people, 5 opinions |
| 23:19.30 | cafuego | but you'll still need to install 'unzip' (which comes with `zip') |
| 23:19.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | fine... shows I'm still in the same universe |
| 23:19.35 | Soccrmastr | zip works yeah I dont think you need file-roller |
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| 23:20.35 | DaveyB | thanks cafuego |
| 23:20.36 | Soccrmastr | oh nevermind |
| 23:21.04 | JordiGH | stew? |
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| 23:23.03 | aptitude | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of stew) |
| 23:23.12 | kiba | hello |
| 23:23.17 | stew | JordiGH: yeah? |
| 23:23.19 | kiba | how do you set the resolution size? |
| 23:23.35 | JordiGH | stew: I asked you a question privately... Oh, never mind. |
| 23:24.03 | kiba | I can't seem to reach that apply button so I am wondering if there are other way |
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| 23:24.48 | cruxeternus | kiba: Tried CTRL-ALT-+/-? |
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| 23:25.10 | vanksi | what could have happened that messed up some of my executables during kernel upgrade? can't execute them anymore, just says file or folder does not exist, but it's there. even redownloading the whole thing does not work |
| 23:25.21 | kiba | hmm...control and alt...than + or minus? |
| 23:25.30 | kiba | doesn't seem to work |
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| 23:26.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | Duh... |
| 23:26.23 | xDCDx | I added 'PATH=$PATH:/usr/sbin/heura' to /etc/bash.bashrc and rebooted. This new path has the scripts, foo.sh, that works by typing 'foo.sh' when I'm a regular user. When I do 'sudo -i', I can do foo.sh and works fine. But 'sudo foo.sh' says: 'foo.sh: command not found', but 'sudo /usr/sbin/heura/foo.sh' works fine. |
| 23:26.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | learned something |
| 23:26.39 | xDCDx | what's the problem? |
| 23:26.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | how do you call the time it needs to install Windows on a computer? |
| 23:26.57 | kiba | hmm ctrl-alt-+/- doesn't seem to work |
| 23:26.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | ---> incubation time <--- |
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| 23:28.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | xDCDx: root doesnt normally load the same pathes as normal users - I dont use sudo much, but guess one keeps the path of the user, the other loads the path for root |
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| 23:29.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | xDCDx: e.g. root normally doesnt execute programs in '.' and e.g. also not in /usr/games/bin |
| 23:30.17 | xDCDx | mmh, I thought /etc/bash.bashrc was executed by all users including root |
| 23:30.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | xDCDx: perhaps sudo -i loads a bash and therefore bash.bashrc, while the normal sudo does not |
| 23:30.27 | xDCDx | oh, I see |
| 23:30.37 | xDCDx | yeah, that's a good idea |
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| 23:30.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | xDCDx: try sudo /bin/echo $PATH |
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| 23:31.13 | kiba | hmmm |
| 23:31.20 | xDCDx | /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games:/usr/sbin/heura |
| 23:31.28 | xDCDx | weird, the path I added is there |
| 23:31.30 | kiba | I can't seem to be able to set any resolution higher |
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| 23:31.35 | kiba | but it is much more sane |
| 23:32.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 23:32.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | xDCDx: sorry, that was stupid :)) |
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| 23:32.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | $PATH expands before sudo is executed |
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| 23:32.35 | xDCDx | ah |
| 23:32.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm too tired :) |
| 23:32.58 | kiba | how to enable 1024 by 768? |
| 23:33.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | xDCDx: sudo /bin/env could work |
| 23:33.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | kiba: probably change horizontal and vertical refreshrates in the configuration |
| 23:33.38 | unlink | how do i set a sort of "fallback locale", so that if for example a man page or application doesn't have a zh_HK l10n, it falls back on a zh_TW one for example |
| 23:34.27 | kiba | CutMeOwnThroat: and what this configuration thingie you speak up? |
| 23:34.30 | xDCDx | CutMeOwnThroat, that worked: PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin |
| 23:34.39 | xDCDx | my path isn't there :P |
| 23:35.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | kiba: you can probably just do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 23:35.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | kiba: the file which should be changed by that is /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 23:36.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | R$ egrep -i 'oriz|ert' /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 23:36.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:36.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:36.20 | DavidW2 | stew: yeah I think I tried start-stop-daemon --user and it still starts as root |
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| 23:36.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | these lines determine which modes are valid (because they will work with your monitor) and which aint |
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| 23:37.32 | aviad | hello all |
| 23:37.36 | centrx | hello |
| 23:38.04 | aviad | my GNU stuck now on fullscreen game thingy |
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| 23:38.19 | aviad | how do i interrupt it? |
| 23:38.22 | lfs | How to find out what device the usb port corrresponds? |
| 23:38.32 | lfs | I dont want to write all over my hard drive. |
| 23:38.56 | aviad | i did alt+ctl+F1 to use ircII |
| 23:38.56 | dvs | lfs: try looking at your /var/log/messages file |
| 23:38.56 | aviad | lol |
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| 23:39.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | aviad: ps aux | grep programname |
| 23:39.13 | lfs | There must be an easier way. |
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| 23:39.27 | aviad | ok |
| 23:39.31 | aviad | brb |
| 23:39.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | aviad: pick out the PID of the process, then kill -9 PID |
| 23:39.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | aviad: pick out the PID of the process, then do 'kill -9 PID' |
| 23:40.00 | dvs | JordiGH: no, he owns a GNU! ;-) |
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| 23:40.42 | JordiGH | dvs: I usually only see people in #gnu shortening GNU/Linux to GNU instead of Linux. |
| 23:40.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | aviad: actually you can try without the '-9' option first |
| 23:41.03 | JordiGH | CutMeOwnThroat: Don't step out of line, or else it's kill dash nine! |
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| 23:41.26 | aviad | lets see.. mm lol |
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| 23:42.36 | aviad | lol great that did it... thx |
| 23:42.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | aviad: if neither works, you can switch to the graphical console and do Ctrl+Alt+Backspace, which will terminate the X server... |
| 23:42.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, ok |
| 23:42.49 | aviad | thx |
| 23:43.01 | aviad | funny stuff |
| 23:43.04 | JordiGH | Terminate. With extreme prejudice. |
| 23:43.17 | aviad | lol |
| 23:43.20 | aviad | yup |
| 23:43.28 | aviad | bb for now |
| 23:43.42 | aviad | im overflow-debian here btw |
| 23:43.59 | amphi | aviad: ? |
| 23:44.04 | aviad | yes |
| 23:44.08 | karsten | aviad: /join #debian then |
| 23:44.13 | karsten | aviad: ... and no you're not. |
| 23:44.31 | aviad | yes i am |
| 23:44.32 | JohnGH | Is there a new way to get PCMCIA ethernet cards working with the 2.6.18 kernel? or are they just broken? (I've got a 3ccfem556b and have just done a netinstall of lenny, and the card is not recognised anymore. |
| 23:44.53 | aviad | i just got gnome stuck so i used tty1 |
| 23:45.03 | aviad | see ya soon |
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| 23:46.58 | Overflow-debian | hello |
| 23:47.14 | dvs | Overflow-debian: get your own channel! ;-) |
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| 23:48.27 | JohnGH | and where has /etc/modules.conf gone in Lenny? |
| 23:48.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh - what's the best game in debian? |
| 23:48.52 | dvs | JohnGH: It's no longer necessary. The files are in /etc/modprobe.d |
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| 23:49.20 | lfs | Debian:/home/lfs# zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdc I did this and then |
| 23:49.29 | JohnGH | thanks dvs |
| 23:49.37 | lfs | Debian:/home/lfs# cp debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso /mnt |
| 23:49.37 | lfs | cp: writing `/mnt/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso': No space left on device |
| 23:49.45 | lfs | How did this happen? |
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| 23:49.57 | dvs | lfs: you can't write to an iso |
| 23:50.12 | Overflow-debian | in vim i got 'B' instead of "down arrow" and 'A' instead of up.. how can i fix that? |
| 23:50.21 | lfs | /dev/sdc is usb stick |
| 23:50.23 | dvs | lfs: oh wait. Whatever is mounted on /mnt is out of room |
| 23:50.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | lfs: that's up to you to guess :) |
| 23:50.28 | JohnGH | lfs: df /mnt ; ls -l debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso :) |
| 23:50.47 | lfs | How can it be out of room after the first command? |
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| 23:50.57 | dvs | lfs: You tell us. |
| 23:51.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | lfs: Karma |
| 23:51.11 | lfs | crap |
| 23:51.18 | dvs | lfs: JohnGH has got a point |
| 23:51.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, what does 'df -h /mnt; du -h debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso' tell? |
| 23:51.59 | lfs | Debian:/home/lfs# zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdc WHat does this do? |
| 23:52.05 | dvs | lfs: That USB stick better have at least 256MB free |
| 23:52.29 | dvs | lfs: That overwrites everthing on your USB stick with a boot sector. |
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| 23:52.44 | lfs | So how come I can't add iso image after that? |
| 23:52.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | not everything |
| 23:53.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | only up to the size of the file written :) |
| 23:53.10 | dvs | lfs: I bet your USB stick is less than 256MB in size |
| 23:53.16 | lfs | 2 gig |
| 23:53.17 | JohnGH | Overflow-debian - the safe way is to use the correct keys... ignore the arrow keys and use hjkl instead - that will work with ANY terminal settings - and it's a better habit to get into |
| 23:53.20 | dvs | o_O |
| 23:53.53 | lfs | SO does this make any sense? |
| 23:53.57 | Overflow-debian | when in edit mode?? |
| 23:53.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | JohnGH: but it's horrible:) |
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| 23:54.20 | lfs | Maybe the stick is bad. How to test the stick? |
| 23:54.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno, you do not listen to what we say |
| 23:54.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | so where's the point of saying more |
| 23:54.51 | lfs | Im all ears. WHat did you say? |
| 23:55.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | <JohnGH> lfs: df /mnt ; ls -l debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso :) |
| 23:55.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | <CutMeOwnThroat> well, what does 'df -h /mnt; du -h debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso' tell? |
| 23:55.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's equivalent... |
| 23:55.28 | lfs | It will tell me that there is no stinking room on the USB stick. |
| 23:55.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | 1st step is to see how much space there is |
| 23:55.37 | lfs | So how to make room? |
| 23:55.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | what does it say? |
| 23:55.49 | JohnGH | I once worked on the Police National HQ main login machine in my country (it was a DEC Alpha runing OSF 3.0 DEC Unix), and stoopid SAs who didn't know enough Unix had been editing /etc/passwd in vi and were using the arrow keys, not realising they were putting [A [B into the file instead of moving the cursor up or down or across - and the nice terminal program was displaying the cursor more... |
| 23:55.50 | JohnGH | ...or less where they expected it to be - man did THAT passwd file get fragged up! |
| 23:56.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | JohnGH: hehe |
| 23:56.24 | JohnGH | CutMeOwnThroat - horrible because it doesn't have arrows painted on it? can't you type without looking at the KB? |
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| 23:56.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | JohnGH: i'm used to arrow keys |
| 23:56.55 | Ronin | JohnGH: not everyone can touch type |
| 23:56.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | can't teach an old dog new tricks |
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| 23:57.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | I can.. just dont like to do it for moving arouhd |
| 23:57.19 | JohnGH | It took me ages to clean the file - lots of it you had to deduce by logic - [A means go that way, so go that way one, look at the next character and figure where to go from there... where do I insert the text now? |
| 23:57.44 | lfs | lfs@Debian:/mnt$ df /mnt |
| 23:57.44 | lfs | Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 23:57.44 | lfs | /dev/sdc 244480 163996 80484 68% /mnt |
| 23:57.51 | JohnGH | Ronin: easy to learn if you make yourself do it for one week :) - then you never have to worry for the rest of your life :) |
| 23:58.03 | Overflow-debian | so ppl,, making arrows work in edit(i) mode..? |
| 23:58.05 | JohnGH | What could be more logical or natural than L to go right anyway? |
| 23:58.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | so... is that the size you expect for the stick? |
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| 23:58.34 | lfs | is that 2 gig? |
| 23:58.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | I like my du -h && df -h version better (-h == human-readable) |
| 23:58.39 | Overflow-debian | i cant move.. lol |
| 23:59.12 | Ronin | JohnGH: ive seen hunt and peckers type faster and more accurate then touch typers |
| 23:59.29 | JohnGH | Ronin: I'd take them on :) ;) |
| 23:59.31 | lfs | OK so how do I install Debian with this stinking used up USB memory stick? |
| 23:59.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | do df -h /mnt instead |
| 23:59.40 | stoned | I saw Johnny-5 type and he was the fastest typer ever! |
| 23:59.57 | stoned | like a gazillion words a second |
| 23:59.59 | JohnGH | lfs: cat /dev/free-disk-space > /dev/sdc :) |
