| 00:01.03 | lfs | are you yanking my chain? |
| 00:01.18 | Overflow-debian | so anyone? B,A instead of up down in vim (edit mode) |
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| 00:01.22 | lfs | what about cat /dev/null > /dev/sdc? |
| 00:01.26 | lfs | Will that work? |
| 00:01.34 | JohnGH | I found chatting on IRC and MSN was the best thing to get me to touch type after YEARS of using a keyboard... and years of H&P |
| 00:01.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | if sdc is present and you are work, it will do what I expect it to do :) |
| 00:01.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | er |
| 00:01.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/work/root |
| 00:01.55 | JohnGH | lfs: don't do it unless you want to wipe your card... |
| 00:02.12 | lfs | I need room |
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| 00:02.35 | derchris^ | I have an appartment for rent, plenty of room :) |
| 00:02.37 | lfs | I'll end up wiping out my HDD. |
| 00:02.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | lfs - so 244480/1024=238, your stick is reported to be 238MB? |
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| 00:03.03 | JohnGH | but if you're trying to put the image onto the card... are you putting it on the card to write to somewhere else, or putting it there to boot off? in which case surely you need to write the raw image to the device with dd or cat rather than using cp which would copy it into the filesystem on the card. |
| 00:03.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | do cfdisk /dev/sdc |
| 00:03.14 | scarface | hm I remember doing a host -l domain.com and got a full list of subdomains... this doesnt work anymore - how come? |
| 00:03.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps he just want to carry the iso to a different machine :) |
| 00:03.47 | lfs | fatal error |
| 00:03.53 | lfs | bad primary partition |
| 00:04.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 00:04.13 | JohnGH | if your image is just small enough to fit the card it's unlikely to be small enough to fit in a filesystem on the card - too much overhead in the disk space that the filesystem itself takes up - inode table and block maps etc. |
| 00:04.29 | kiba | argh |
| 00:04.29 | lil_cain | what should utmp's gid be? |
| 00:04.47 | JohnGH | CMOT: that's why I asked if he was putting it there to write to somewhere else. |
| 00:05.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | I already said I'm too tired :) |
| 00:05.24 | lfs | I am going to /dev/null it |
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| 00:05.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm... wonder how to get back to a working partition table |
| 00:05.59 | kiba | dpkg-reconfigure method failed |
| 00:06.02 | kiba | what else? |
| 00:06.12 | JohnGH | lil_cain: mine is utmp ( 43 ) on lenny |
| 00:06.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | or do USB sticks need none? |
| 00:06.28 | lil_cain | JohnGH: cool, tahnks |
| 00:06.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | you're lucky, i have an sd-card in an usb adapter, I can compare |
| 00:06.53 | JohnGH | lil_cain: you're welcome - same on Sarge/Etch box too |
| 00:07.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | kiba: what do you mean 'failed' |
| 00:07.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyways, i gave you alternatives |
| 00:07.31 | lfs | Debian:/home/lfs# cat /dev/null > /dev/sdc It didnt zero it out |
| 00:07.32 | kiba | I can't set it to 1024 by 768 |
| 00:07.35 | JohnGH | CMOT: depends what you want to use it for - you can always write files to the raw device with tar or CPIO (fit more on it that way) ;) |
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| 00:07.58 | kiba | if only fricking dad properly shut down the computer |
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| 00:08.56 | kiba | than I would not have to ask you guys in the first place! |
| 00:09.17 | JohnGH | lfs: nah - that would just screw up the filesystem on it - if you really want to zero it use dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdc - but do you need to? you probably want to ether dd the raw image to it (if you want to boot off it) or mkfs.ext[23] it and then mount it and cp the file into the filesystem. |
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| 00:09.55 | JohnGH | once you've dd'ed the file to it - it didn't matter whether it was all zeros or not, because now it's got the file (unless you're worried about knowing where the file ends) |
| 00:10.23 | JohnGH | if you mkfs it that will put data where it needs it and not worry about pre-existing zeros either. |
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| 00:10.51 | lfs | Debian:/home/lfs# zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdc I already did this |
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| 00:10.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | kiba: what didnt work? |
| 00:11.07 | kiba | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 00:11.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | and why? |
| 00:11.25 | kiba | don't see any effects |
| 00:11.44 | kiba | can't set resolution higher than 800 by 600 |
| 00:11.45 | jarjar26 | I have issue with xen on Debian Sid : /bin/sh error while loadin shared librairie librcypt.so.1 .. my Dom0 wan't start, any solution ? |
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| 00:11.46 | JohnGH | CMOT: you don't need a partition table on a USB stick - you don't need one on a hard disk or a loopback file for that matter either - a partition table just gives you more flexibility as to what you can put on the device |
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| 00:11.53 | dogmeat | after running ssh-keygen, where do i put the info generated in the id_rsa.pub file? |
| 00:12.02 | killux | I need some php help. I installed debian with the the webserver package which includes apache2 and php4 support. i even checked in the mods-enabled php4 was listed but when i test a php script it still doesnt work |
| 00:12.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | kiba: what did you answer to the questions regarding horizontal/vertical sync? |
| 00:12.12 | lfs | How come Debian:/home/lfs# zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdc doesnt give me room? |
| 00:12.18 | lfs | Do I have a bad stick? |
| 00:12.21 | kiba | hmm |
| 00:12.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | JohnGH: I figured... mine doesnt have one either... so the stick just contains a bare filesystem? |
| 00:13.05 | kiba | I can't seem to change |
| 00:13.16 | JohnGH | dogmeat: you want to use it to ssh into another box? copy the .pub file to the other machine, and add it's contents to the authorized_keys file on the other machine - and remember not to let anyone else have access to the id_rsa file - that's as bad as giving them your password (or worse!) |
| 00:13.23 | JohnGH | its |
| 00:13.32 | dogmeat | thanks |
| 00:13.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | JohnGH: so as his disk size is obviously smaller than what it should be - what determinse the disk size without a partition table? |
| 00:13.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | kiba: ? |
| 00:13.57 | JohnGH | dogmeat: you're welcome. if there is no authorized_keys file yet, that's ~/.ssh/authorized_keys on the other machine |
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| 00:14.40 | JohnGH | CMOT: the partition table doesn't determine the disk size - it's entirely possible to have a PT that is wrong and either too small or (as is often the case) too big for the device |
| 00:14.41 | kiba | CuteMeOwnThroat: I can't seem to be able to set refresh rate in desktop configure in KDE |
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| 00:14.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | dogmeat: nah, don't listen to him - publish it here along with the ip of your machine ;) |
| 00:14.55 | Sazpaimon | how do i turn on word wrapping in nano |
| 00:15.01 | Sazpaimon | while IN nano |
| 00:15.13 | Wyzard | On a system using udev, with the z25_persistent-net.rules file to name network interfaces based on their MAC address, is there a way to configure the system to then *change* the MAC address to something else, after it's been recognized and renamed based on its original address? |
| 00:15.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | kiba: not in desktop configure in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 00:15.34 | kiba | what do Horztional sync and verterical sync rate should be? |
| 00:15.39 | JohnGH | the partition table just lets you put multiple partitions on the same device, and tells anyone who needs to know, where the partition boundaries are - i.e. where each partition starts and finishes, and also what kind of partion it is (i.e. what kind of data it's likely to have in it) that's what the partition ID is for |
| 00:15.41 | eurowerke | 67], running version hyperion-1.0.2b (from |
| 00:15.41 | eurowerke | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:15.41 | eurowerke | [freenode] *** Your host is kubrick.freenode.net[kubrick.freenode.net/6667], running version hyperion-1.0.2b |
| 00:15.41 | eurowerke | -:- This server was created Thu May 3 18:08:10 UTC 2007 (from kubrick.freenode.net) |
| 00:15.41 | eurowerke | -:- kubrick.freenode.net hyperion-1.0.2b aAbBcCdDeEfFGhHiIjkKlLmMnNopPQrRsStTuUvVwWxXyYzZ01234569*@ |
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| 00:16.02 | kiba | I set hor sync to 23-60 |
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| 00:16.15 | kiba | and vertical one to 43-60 |
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| 00:16.25 | JohnGH | if you only want one partition on your USB key, and want a smidgeon extra disk space - just do mkfs /dev/sda instead of fdisk /dev/sda then mkfs /dev/sda1 |
| 00:16.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | kiba: the rates should be what the manual of your monitor allows :) |
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| 00:17.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | kiba: er... what the monitor allows // what the manual of it lists |
| 00:17.08 | JohnGH | Windows would mount it the same - on Linux you'd just have to remember it's called /dev/sda on that USB stick when you go to mount it instead of being called /dev/sda1 |
| 00:17.20 | kiba | CutMeOwnThroat: well..I don't know |
| 00:17.51 | kiba | fucking annoying |
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| 00:18.06 | JohnGH | I've got one stick which I did that on, and it's a shit because I have a script that mounts my USB keys for me so I only ever type usb-mount - and never have to do the rest - but it doesn't work for that key - because it's /dev/sda instead of /dev/sda1 like all the rest are. |
| 00:18.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | kiba: you can google for your monitor or use 'Simple' // 'Medium' options to specify resolutions |
| 00:18.40 | lfs | I cant believe I have two bad sticks. |
| 00:18.52 | lfs | Debian:/home/lfs# zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdc |
| 00:18.52 | lfs | zcat: stdout: No space left on device |
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| 00:19.29 | Sazpaimon | so no one knows how to enable word wrapping in nano? |
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| 00:19.59 | wintix | Sazpaimon: maybe read the manual? |
| 00:20.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | JohnGH: use usbmount - that mounts it automatically - you only need to (p)umount then |
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| 00:20.12 | Sazpaimon | wintix, I did |
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| 00:20.15 | Sazpaimon | I didnt see anything about it |
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| 00:20.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | Sazpaimon: the config file is pretty well commented, i think... |
| 00:20.41 | lfs | Debian:/home/lfs# mount /dev/sdc /mnt |
| 00:20.41 | lfs | mount: /dev/sdc is not a block device (maybe try `-o loop'?) |
| 00:20.50 | nn-main | how do i make somthing rw to all dirs without changeing the x flags |
| 00:20.52 | JohnGH | Sazpaimon: I wouldn't get your hopes up too high for doing things like that on the fly in nano... the reason they have nano is not because it's super configurable - they have it because A) you don't have to know how to drive the real programmer's editor to use it (i.e. to know vi keys) and secondly it's tiny (hence the name!) and so fits on a bare bones tiny system - tiny often comes at the... |
| 00:20.54 | JohnGH | ...expense of nice features like word wrap, or word wrap that's adjustable on the fly. |
| 00:21.07 | lfs | How can I have two bad sticks? I am really confused |
| 00:21.24 | wintix | Sazpaimon: by default it wraps long lines. you can turn that off with -w |
| 00:21.32 | Sazpaimon | that's odd |
| 00:21.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | lfs: if you mess up the stick with that zcat, you can't mount it anymore :) |
| 00:21.48 | Sazpaimon | when i open a file with long lines it cuts them off at the end, with or withouw -w |
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| 00:21.57 | kiba | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 00:21.57 | kiba | Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 00:22.02 | kiba | what does that mean? |
| 00:22.02 | JohnGH | fls: I'll swap you for the smegging 4GB stick I bought of eBay in March, which then decided to corrupt and loose me a whole lot of data that I really didn't want to loose! :( |
| 00:22.07 | JohnGH | off |
| 00:22.21 | lfs | I thought these sticks were RW? |
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| 00:22.37 | JohnGH | lfs: that was... not fls |
| 00:22.41 | CompWizrd | um, the sticks should have partitions on it |
| 00:22.43 | wintix | Sazpaimon: maybe you have something weird in ~/.nanorc ? or maybe just use vim. |
| 00:22.59 | JohnGH | wintix++ vim :) |
| 00:23.08 | Sazpaimon | I'd rather just use notepad :P |
| 00:23.27 | wintix | Sazpaimon: have fun with it :) |
| 00:23.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | JohnGH: how can I have sdg1, when there's no partition table on sdg? |
| 00:23.36 | JohnGH | Sazpaimon: if you're in X try mousepad - but vim is still WAY better |
| 00:23.51 | Sazpaimon | Nah, this is over SSH on a server |
| 00:24.00 | JohnGH | CMOT: it depends :) |
| 00:24.06 | Sazpaimon | Im not about to install X on a production server |
| 00:24.20 | JohnGH | Sazpaimon: good mooove |
| 00:24.25 | wintix | Sazpaimon: vim is actually quite simple to use. (if you don't want to do crazy things ;) ) |
| 00:24.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | kiba: means you lost the right to connect to your X server - i.e. cant open new windows |
| 00:24.42 | Sazpaimon | I know how to use vim |
| 00:24.45 | Sazpaimon | I just choose not to |
| 00:24.47 | kiba | CutMeOwnThroat: that is bad? |
| 00:24.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | kiba: dunno :) depends what caused it |
| 00:25.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | kiba: would e.g. happen when you erased .Xauthority |
| 00:25.22 | lfs | It was on /dev/sdd. Imagine that. |
| 00:25.40 | kiba | hmm |
| 00:25.43 | lfs | I still cant figure what was wrong with the other stick. |
| 00:25.45 | kiba | one last attempt |
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| 00:25.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | kiba: should be fixed, after you restart the X server the next time and log in |
| 00:26.00 | kiba | restart the computer... |
| 00:26.03 | scarface | can anyone tell me, why I cant do a host -l whatever.domain.com ? |
| 00:26.21 | OA1 | OA_ I have asked you before, please do not do it again |
| 00:26.38 | JohnGH | CMOT: after all a device file name has no bearing on what it points to ;) - you could always do mknod /dev/HUGE_DISK c 1 3 and copy a 10 terrabyte file to it :P |
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| 00:27.00 | abrotman | OA_: that was easy :) |
| 00:27.11 | amphi | OA_: you can ghost 'em ;) |
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| 00:27.30 | wintix | scarface: maybe you want whois tld.org ? |
| 00:27.43 | OA_ | abrotman; yep. Just prefer it if people respected the fact nicks are registered. That's why I ask people to change first, before I ghost them :) |
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| 00:27.53 | JohnGH | wintix: vim is also quite easy to use when you DO want to do crazy things once you grow to love it and become as crazy about it as it is about you! :) |
| 00:28.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | JohnGH: but it was... dunno probably created by udev - so it reflects what is actually on the stick |
| 00:28.15 | abrotman | OA_: i think it's because he's french! |
| 00:28.17 | wintix | JohnGH: but you actually have to read the manpage to do crazy things :) |
| 00:28.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | JohnGH: but how can there be partitions without a partition table? |
| 00:28.26 | OA_ | abrotman; lol |
| 00:28.27 | scarface | wintix: no. I remember doing this host listing and got a list of all subdomains I specified |
| 00:28.32 | OA_ | have a good day folks |
| 00:28.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | JohnGH: well, actually one partition - but still |
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| 00:28.50 | JohnGH | CMOT: a partition is a map of where partitions are - you can have a road without a roadmap right? |
| 00:28.51 | abrotman | wtf |
| 00:29.02 | DawnLight | does the kernel come with the module nvidia? |
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| 00:29.27 | abrotman | no |
| 00:29.27 | wintix | DawnLight: no. |
| 00:29.27 | JohnGH | OA_: you came in here to assert your right to your nick, wish us a good day, and then leave? |
| 00:29.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | JohnGH: yes - but so how the fsck did my system find the road without the map? :) |
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| 00:30.17 | JohnGH | CMOT: if it starts at block 0 that really wouldn't be too hard :) |
| 00:30.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 00:30.43 | DawnLight | so after i build a module it just stays there even after i remove the package? |
| 00:30.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | but why isn't it sdg, then? |
| 00:31.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | I also have a stick that would not have sdX1, but just the filesystem on sdX |
| 00:31.21 | JohnGH | CMOT: did you get my point about mknod /dev/HUGE_DISK c 1 3 ? |
| 00:31.23 | wintix | DawnLight: if you build it the debian way, you can uninstall it. |
| 00:31.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps not :) |
| 00:31.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | my point was, that the devices reflect the structure found on the stick... |
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| 00:32.23 | JohnGH | well not that you can "write" files to a character device... needs a block device... but what would that file be if you made it? |
| 00:32.28 | DawnLight | wintix: i did build it the debian way. m-a. i've uninstalled all packages that have nvidia in their name and i can still modprobe nvidia |
| 00:32.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | and so why should udev create... /dev/sdg99 |
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| 00:33.10 | JohnGH | CMOT: there are endless possibilities *grin* - what happens if the BIOS on the stick is wonky? |
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| 00:33.13 | Supaplex | how to you choose your default de/wm/etc when multiple are installed? |
| 00:33.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno... what would it be |
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| 00:33.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | I dont really create devices on a daily basis |
| 00:33.37 | wintix | DawnLight: you need to uninstall the deb manually since apt-get doesn't know about it. something like dpkg -r nvidia-kernel-2.6.something |
| 00:33.54 | wintix | DawnLight: don't know the exact name right now. |
| 00:34.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | it should be the 3rd partition on the 1st disk (or the other way around) |
| 00:34.11 | DawnLight | can i see the list somehow, wintix? |
| 00:34.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | but if there is none, the device would kind of point into nowhere |
| 00:34.18 | JohnGH | CMOT: that's the same as /dev/null - read about major and minor numbers... it doesn't matter that it's not called /dev/null - it would still work exactly the same. |
| 00:34.32 | xoz | if i have a cd iso image of etch and burn it to dvd, will it work? |
| 00:34.49 | abrotman | try it and see!~ |
| 00:35.11 | DavidProck1981 | does any one have a problem after installing beryl, When they go to resize a window it being supper laggy |
| 00:35.12 | xoz | abrotman: what's your guess? |
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| 00:35.19 | abrotman | yes? :) |
| 00:35.28 | abrotman | DavidProck1981: beryl is NOT in debia |
| 00:35.29 | abrotman | debian |
| 00:35.30 | JohnGH | xoz: do you know about burning raw iso images rather than putting in filesystems? (otherwise it DEFINITELY wouldn't work!) |
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| 00:35.39 | stew | and it looks like beryl never will be in debian |
| 00:35.50 | DavidProck1981 | stew, why? |
| 00:35.52 | gravity | Yeah, we need to fix that |
| 00:35.54 | gravity | Or something |
| 00:36.02 | lfs | I ran my install and it said that there were no kernel modules |
| 00:36.07 | Supaplex | dpkg: test |
| 00:36.09 | lfs | What the hell is that about? |
| 00:36.16 | Supaplex | apt: test |
| 00:36.18 | apt | Test Failed! |
| 00:36.18 | xoz | abrotman: if it will not work, you gonna pay me back a blank dvd :) |
| 00:36.18 | gravity | Ideally, beryl and compiz will merge, and it won't be an issue any more |
| 00:36.19 | abrotman | gravity: why? slacker is the packager ? |
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| 00:36.27 | gravity | abrotman: Yeah. We need a new one. |
| 00:36.27 | abrotman | oh yeah .. that'd be better |
| 00:36.27 | stew | gravity: shawn said he's not going to bother since its dead upstream and getting merged with compiz |
| 00:36.35 | amphi | DavidProck1981: set the resize type to something other than normal, like 'filled outline' or 'stretch' |
| 00:36.39 | gravity | stew: I know what shawn said. I'd like someone else to work on it though. |
| 00:36.42 | gravity | No one has stepped up. |
| 00:36.49 | gravity | I don't have time to do it myself unfortunately |
| 00:36.50 | scarface | can anyone of you do a host -l yourfavoritedomain.any and see if you get an error message saying connection refused? |
| 00:36.53 | stew | abrotman: he's not a slacker, he has had it in NEW for months, he just missed some non-free icons |
| 00:36.55 | JohnGH | lfs: are there any files in /lib/modules/(VERSION)/kernel/ ? |
| 00:36.57 | amphi | DavidProck1981: because bery is merging back into compi |
| 00:37.02 | abrotman | oh |
| 00:37.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | JohnGH: well, of course the name in /dev doesnt matter - just major and minor, still I dont get your point |
| 00:37.06 | gravity | stew: I don't know that I'd go that far... |
| 00:37.09 | stew | gravity: how quickly is it actually getting merged with compiz? |
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| 00:37.20 | gravity | stew: I don't know. I don't follow it upstream. |
| 00:37.23 | stew | gravity: oh, i'm just going by hearsay, i don't really know |
| 00:37.32 | gravity | I still can't believe no one has stepped up to work on beryl though. |
| 00:37.38 | stew | gravity: it is a suprise |
| 00:37.42 | DavidProck1981 | xoz: not for a linux distro, but i have taken an iso for cd and made it on a dvd and it worked |
| 00:37.49 | gravity | I've asked twice on debian-devel. No replies. |
| 00:38.09 | cafuego | I expect it's hideous. |
| 00:38.10 | JohnGH | anyone here using a PCMCIA ethernet card on a 2.6.17 or 2.6.18 kernel? |
| 00:38.20 | wintix | DawnLight: dpkg -l nvidia or dpkg -s nvidia - dpkg -r nvidia-kernel-`uname -r` might just do the trick. |
| 00:38.24 | lfs | Is the netinstall iso sid? |
| 00:38.39 | gravity | Even when beryl merges in to compiz, there's still a ton of apps that the beryl team wrote that are independent of the wm. Those are useful and need a maintainer. |
| 00:38.42 | DawnLight | i get it wintix. thanks |
| 00:38.46 | gravity | So we do need those parts of beryl to get in to debian. |
| 00:38.49 | xoz | DavidProck1981: one way to find out.... |
| 00:38.58 | gravity | Our compiz maintainer has been busy with work too, so we clearly need another volunteer |
| 00:39.02 | gravity | I don't know how to find one. |
| 00:39.04 | DavidProck1981 | burn baby burn, lol |
| 00:39.35 | DavidProck1981 | gravity i notice something about beryl |
| 00:39.40 | stew | gravity: get sam to start xfs-tank |
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| 00:39.50 | stew | err xsf |
| 00:39.51 | gravity | heh |
| 00:39.57 | lfs | OK where are the testing iso images? |
| 00:40.05 | wintix | lfs: debian.org |
| 00:40.14 | stew | lfs: debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
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| 00:40.32 | wintix | stew: oooh. that could have been fun. |
| 00:40.42 | gravity | DavidProck1981: What? |
| 00:40.48 | DavidProck1981 | if i open beryl before i do LimeWire for linux, the window on LimeWire will be solid white |
| 00:40.56 | gravity | oh |
| 00:41.07 | stew | hrm, cdimage.debian.org is still pointing at etch rc2 as testing |
| 00:41.11 | DavidProck1981 | but if i open LimeWire first then beryl limewire will run just fine |
| 00:41.15 | stew | i guess i need to mail -boot about that |
| 00:41.48 | DavidProck1981 | solid white* as if it licked up |
| 00:41.55 | DavidProck1981 | locked* |
| 00:42.07 | wintix | DawnLight: seems like a beryl bug. maybe complain in #beryl ? |
| 00:42.13 | wintix | err. DavidProck1981. |
| 00:42.16 | lfs | Daily build #2 for amd64, using installer build from sid |
| 00:42.16 | xoz | DavidProck1981: messed up beryl memory leak |
| 00:42.26 | lfs | Should I be using sid |
| 00:42.29 | DavidProck1981 | ? |
| 00:42.29 | lfs | ? |
| 00:42.31 | wintix | lfs: no. |
| 00:42.31 | stew | lfs: no |
| 00:42.43 | lfs | I cant find anything else. |
| 00:43.08 | regulate_ | ! |
| 00:43.13 | DawnLight | getting used to me, eh wintix |
| 00:43.31 | wintix | DawnLight: ;) |
| 00:43.35 | stew | lfs: http://debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 00:43.47 | lfs | that has the full cd set, not the installer cd |
| 00:44.05 | nn-main | how do i use the chmod command to change all flags to rw but not tuch the x flag |
| 00:44.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | JohnGH: fun - my 'stick' starts with "no valid partition table" strings, loads of 00's and then at some time the start of a FAT16 fs (it's not a stick, but an SD card in an SD->usb converter - cant find my stick anymore :( )) |
| 00:44.22 | DawnLight | i see there's a p state and a u state... so once i install a package it will never be u again? |
| 00:44.28 | abrotman | nn-main: man chmod is useful |
| 00:44.31 | BUMBACL0T | man chmod |
| 00:44.34 | stew | nn-main: chmod -R +rwX files |
| 00:44.59 | JohnGH | CMOT: sounds kinda like a raw partition to me. |
| 00:45.04 | stew | lfs: there are netinst images on that pasge |
| 00:45.09 | martiancode | guys help refine this /* ps aux | awk '{ print$2, $11 $12 $13 }' | grep vmware | awk '{ print$1 }' */ and redirect it's output to kill -9 |
| 00:45.09 | DawnLight | don't send him to man chmod :O |
| 00:45.12 | DavidProck1981 | and one time before (just once so far) it made my Kmenu (for kde) and Gaim (the multi messenger) Solid black, but it was not locked up cause i was getting chimes from when i would get a personal message |
| 00:45.38 | stew | people that have read the chmod page dozens of times never seem to find the X switch |
| 00:45.39 | wintix | DawnLight: why should we do his work? |
| 00:45.41 | abrotman | martiancode: you're just looking for the vmware PIDs ? |
| 00:45.45 | JohnGH | abrotman: throw a man a fish and give him fish stew for a day... throw a man a recipie book and he'll ...? |
| 00:46.05 | abrotman | die from starvation because he spent all day reading |
| 00:46.05 | nn-main | sew i need the files rw for all flags |
| 00:46.08 | DavidProck1981 | so what does Gaim and the Kmenu have imn comman |
| 00:46.23 | nn-main | sew except other |
| 00:46.32 | martiancode | abrotman: not really just wanted to kill all it's PIDs and I thought it's a good oportunity to continue learning |
| 00:46.39 | DawnLight | there are man pages only a chosen few should read |
| 00:46.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | martiancode: ps aux | grep bin/vmware | awk '{print $2}" |xargs kill -9 |
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| 00:47.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | martiancode: dunno exactly what to grep for, but the 1st awk is rather pointless |
| 00:47.11 | abrotman | martiancode: pidof ? |
| 00:47.35 | DavidProck1981 | WHO here uses beryl and LimeWire, any one by chance? |
| 00:47.47 | martiancode | abrotman: thanks for the hint :-) I know pidof i just forgot |
| 00:47.49 | abrotman | martiancode: pidof vmware | xargs kill -9 ? |
| 00:47.57 | abrotman | martiancode: do i get a cookie ? |
| 00:48.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | martiancode: anyways, it wouldnt work - you don't have spaces included between your $2 $3 etc output, so there will be no $2 :) |
| 00:48.07 | stew | or pkill -9 vmware |
| 00:48.08 | abrotman | oh wait |
| 00:48.14 | stew | or kill -9 $(pgrep vmware) |
| 00:48.16 | martiancode | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah if you don't know why I did sure it doesn't make sense, I did it cause I wanted to see those PIDs listing heh |
| 00:48.17 | abrotman | kill -9 `pidof vmware` |
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| 00:48.22 | martiancode | CutMeOwnThroat: kinda crazy |
| 00:48.52 | lfs | Daily build #2 for amd64, using installer build from sid THis is only netinstall image I can find |
| 00:48.53 | martiancode | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah true and I can echo a space between them right? |
| 00:49.13 | abrotman | lfs: are you trying to install etch ? |
| 00:49.13 | martiancode | using a one liner I can't remember to the file ps2kill.txt |
| 00:49.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | awk '{print $2 " " $3}' |
| 00:49.42 | stew | lfs: try http://debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 00:49.55 | martiancode | stew: if you know perl did you consider it's one liner contest? |
| 00:49.58 | martiancode | :D |
| 00:50.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | martiancode: well, pkill sounds like der bees knees for what you wanted... didnt know it, though |
| 00:50.20 | martiancode | CutMeOwnThroat: it didn't work for me |
| 00:50.24 | DawnLight | "dpkg -l nvidia*" shows me that all nvidia* is either u or p. so how can that be while i can "modprobe nvidia" lsmod shows me the module is loaded? |
| 00:50.24 | martiancode | CutMeOwnThroat: but now I know why |
| 00:50.27 | lfs | OK so where are the netinstall images? |
| 00:50.27 | stew | lfs: oh, the installer from sid? yeah that is fine, you just don't want to actually install sid. that installer will install lenny |
| 00:50.40 | stew | lfs: if you don't want use the sid installer, install etch then upgrade to testing |
| 00:50.44 | lfs | BUt that installer says I have wrong headers |
| 00:50.45 | martiancode | it's because I did it like awk '{ print $1+" "+$11 }' |
| 00:50.46 | martiancode | heh |
| 00:50.52 | stew | lfs: why not install etch? |
| 00:51.03 | lfs | Maybe I should |
| 00:51.17 | lfs | INstalling testing is apparently a real bitch |
| 00:51.49 | lfs | I had troubles before with it reading my network card. |
| 00:52.05 | stew | lfs: it uses the same kernel as testing, so it should detect the same network cards |
| 00:52.09 | martiancode | CutMeOwnThroat: that's cool |
| 00:52.17 | stew | lfs: err same kenrel as stable i mean |
| 00:52.45 | martiancode | CutMeOwnThroat: got to go through the channel log to see all of those alternatives I got !! |
| 00:53.03 | lfs | I have a testing cdrom, I burned the other day. I cant figure out where I got it. |
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| 00:53.25 | dijkstra | hi there friends |
| 00:53.45 | dijkstra | is it possible to make a bootable cdrw ? |
| 00:53.57 | lfs | why not? |
| 00:54.11 | DavidProck1981 | can someone that uses beryl and likes to use fileshare programs message me |
| 00:54.15 | martiancode | abrotman: here's your cookie (:;) |
| 00:54.19 | DawnLight | "dpkg -l nvidia*" shows me that all nvidia* is either u or p. so how can that be while i can "modprobe nvidia" lsmod shows me the module is loaded? should i just delete the module manually? |
| 00:54.24 | DavidProck1981 | or lrt me know here |
| 00:54.25 | abrotman | not funny |
| 00:54.31 | abrotman | !lart DavidProck1981 |
| 00:54.53 | DavidProck1981 | abrotman? |
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| 00:55.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | martiancode: don't need to go through the log - I read them when they appeared :) |
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| 00:55.45 | DavidProck1981 | abrotman what is lart |
| 00:55.53 | amphi | DavidProck1981: what do you mean? I use beryl and rtorrent |
| 00:56.15 | lfs | Daily build #2 for amd64, using installer build from sid It says this but then the name of the cd is testing |
| 00:56.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | martiancode: guess pkill -9 vmware is the best one... but as I said - didnt know there was a pkill yet |
| 00:56.29 | lfs | Very confusing |
| 00:56.29 | DavidProck1981 | i was going to ask u if u will get limewire and see if it messes up when u run beryl |
| 00:56.33 | DavidProck1981 | amphi? |
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| 00:56.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | martiancode: the system V machines I started on definitely didnt have that :) |
| 00:56.53 | stew | DavidProck1981: lots of people have reported this type of problem with java and beryl |
| 00:56.59 | amphi | DavidProck1981> can someone that uses beryl and likes to use fileshare programs message me |
| 00:57.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | how was that |
| 00:57.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | ~u |
| 00:57.09 | apt | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1.. See http://wooledge.org/~greg/uf20041201.png |
| 00:57.19 | amphi | DavidProck1981: I have no idea what limewire is |
| 00:57.37 | regulate_ | why does limewire cause problems for beryl? |
| 00:57.53 | stew | regulate_: becuase it is written in java |
| 00:58.01 | cafuego | coz it's a piece of [DELETED] |
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| 00:58.08 | DavidProck1981 | beryl cause problem for limewire, regulate_ |
| 00:58.17 | cafuego | stew: nah, azureus is fine, not a java issue |
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| 00:58.40 | stew | cafuego: oh, i thought it was some interaction with the jvm |
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| 00:58.58 | cwheeler | what's the best option for java on debian? |
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| 00:59.20 | DavidProck1981 | amphi: http://www.limewire.com/english/content/beta.shtml and get the one for Other (OS/2, Solaris, Linux) and see if u can use it when beryl is iopen first |
| 00:59.21 | stew | cwheeler: how do you define best? |
| 00:59.31 | cafuego | stew: DavidProck1981 Fimple fix: don't use limewire. |
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| 00:59.40 | cafuego | grr |
| 00:59.41 | stew | cafuego: that will be easy for me |
| 00:59.44 | amphi | DavidProck1981: why do I want it? |
| 00:59.50 | farseer_ | hello, anyone know why tmpfs is set up to use 95% of my ram? it might be correct, but to me it sounds weird..... |
| 00:59.51 | DawnLight | wintix: "dpkg -l nvidia*" shows me that all nvidia* is either u or p. so how can that be while i can "modprobe nvidia" lsmod shows me the module is loaded? should i just delete the module manually? |
| 01:00.01 | DavidProck1981 | i use it but i have to close beryl to use it |
| 01:00.05 | cwheeler | best performance vs ease of installation? |
| 01:00.15 | regulate_ | DawnLight: rmmod nvidia |
| 01:00.19 | stew | heh, it has different builds for different OSs? whats the point of writing it in java then? :) |
| 01:00.30 | regulate_ | DawnLight: and man modprobe |
| 01:00.35 | amphi | DavidProck1981: so use limewire, or use berul, make up your mind ;) |
| 01:00.48 | amphi | stew: heh |
| 01:00.48 | regulate_ | DawnLight: nevermind all that. |
| 01:01.00 | DawnLight | huh? |
| 01:01.09 | lfs | Debian:/home/lfs# grub-install /dev/sdc |
| 01:01.09 | lfs | /dev/sdc does not have any corresponding BIOS drive. |
| 01:01.23 | lfs | So you can't install grub to usb stick? |
| 01:01.37 | DawnLight | rmmod is like modprobe -r only not as good, right? |
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| 01:01.44 | abrotman | use modprobe -r |
| 01:01.46 | mnguyen | Ohhh... the new debian etch is sooo sexy |
| 01:01.46 | stew | cwheeler: best performance is probably one from ibm. easiest to install is any of the free ones, apt-cache showpkg java-virtual-machine |
| 01:01.52 | mnguyen | Adding a printer was sooo easy! |
| 01:01.52 | mnguyen | =D |
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| 01:01.58 | amphi | mnguyen: it's so _old_ |
| 01:02.01 | JohnGH | BBL - trying to fix PCMCIA problems |
| 01:02.15 | martiancode | CutMeOwnThroat: i didn't know that there's pkill yet either, but looks like you're old man :p my first PC which's my current as well is a PIV 1.6GHz got it like 5 years ago |
| 01:02.18 | DawnLight | abrotman, this is my issue: "dpkg -l nvidia*" shows me that all nvidia* is either u or p. so how can that be while i can "modprobe nvidia" lsmod shows me the module is loaded? should i just delete the module manually? |
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| 01:02.37 | lfs | that sucks, you can install grub to a flopppy |
| 01:02.39 | farseer_ | shouldn't tmpf be set up to use 50% of RAM ? no? i got two. at /mnt/shm and /lib/init/rw .... |
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| 01:02.44 | martiancode | CutMeOwnThroat: you're lucky, you didn't have to start on Windblows 98 heh |
| 01:02.46 | lfs | I dont have a stinking floppy |
| 01:02.53 | abrotman | DawnLight: you didn't use the debian isntaller ? |
| 01:03.00 | DawnLight | STINKIN' floppy |
| 01:03.16 | farseer_ | any ideas? |
| 01:03.22 | mnguyen | amphi, old? are you using lenny? |
| 01:03.24 | farseer_ | mnguyen, was it? :) cool |
| 01:03.29 | DawnLight | i think i did but it was a long time ago. about the time i first appeared here, abrotman. |
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| 01:03.45 | amphi | mnguyen: I joke |
| 01:03.48 | DavidProck1981 | also , it just happen once thow, beryl make my Kmenu and gaim messenger go solid black, So what does Kmenu (=to start button on windows as compairsion) & Gaim have in common |
| 01:03.51 | mnguyen | oh... |
| 01:03.52 | martiancode | CutMeOwnThroat: but you know what, I saw the green dotted screens, it's just i've never had the chance to get a PC at that time |
| 01:03.52 | mnguyen | heh |
| 01:03.55 | amphi | mnguyen: and no, I'm on etch still |
| 01:04.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | martiancode: I started with IRIX, which is a System V type Unix, unlike Linux(well, we'll not mention the DOS era before that, because DOS is not really an OS :)) |
| 01:04.02 | martiancode | s/saw/used/ |
| 01:04.10 | mnguyen | iono i was formally a gentoo user... and then a ubuntu user... and now a debian user |
| 01:04.11 | mnguyen | yay |
| 01:04.17 | mnguyen | things are so easy now in debian :) |
| 01:04.24 | abrotman | they were hard before ? |
| 01:04.40 | mnguyen | mhmm... not really |
| 01:04.40 | mnguyen | heh |
| 01:04.44 | mnguyen | gentoo was a pain |
| 01:04.44 | martiancode | CutMeOwnThroat: huh? what's DOS !! |
| 01:04.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | martiancode: in the time of the green dotted screens there was no linux around yet... |
| 01:04.49 | farseer_ | !dpkg tmpfs |
| 01:04.51 | mnguyen | it was like having an extra girlfriend for maintenance |
| 01:04.58 | abrotman | farseer_: bot dead |
| 01:05.01 | abrotman | ~tmpfs |
| 01:05.04 | apt | cd /usr/src/linux/Documentation; grep -r tmpfs * |
| 01:05.09 | stew | &gentoosmite mnguyen |
| 01:05.09 | DavidProck1981 | brb |
| 01:05.15 | farseer_ | abrotman, oh ... |
| 01:05.22 | mnguyen | rofl |
| 01:05.27 | mnguyen | emerge -Uvh world |
| 01:05.28 | mnguyen | sigh |
| 01:05.30 | martiancode | CutMeOwnThroat: exactly I used to use LOGO, now I don't remember how LOGO is, since I couldn't practice it was only at school |
| 01:05.33 | mnguyen | no more!!! apt-get upgrade!!! |
| 01:05.34 | mnguyen | =D |
| 01:05.34 | farseer_ | abrotman, if i don't recall it wrong, u are one debian guru ;) |
| 01:05.41 | mnguyen | apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 01:06.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | martiancode: hm... 'disc operating system'? The first great Microsoft "operating" system (which was actually stolen, afair) |
| 01:06.07 | farseer_ | mnguyen, apt-get bring_me_beer now |
| 01:06.10 | DawnLight | anyway, abrotman: i think i did. i just follow instructions and try to understand what i am doing. so should i delete manually? |
| 01:06.16 | abrotman | farseer_: que pasa your cereal sugar bear ? |
| 01:06.26 | abrotman | DawnLight: that's an option |
| 01:06.38 | mnguyen | farseer_, apt-get pisses_in_a_bottle_and_hands_it_over |
| 01:06.39 | DawnLight | other options? |
| 01:06.42 | mnguyen | :) |
| 01:06.42 | mnguyen | jk |
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| 01:06.45 | martiancode | CutMeOwnThroat: yup heh, from the Seatle software Company's "poor" owner |
| 01:07.05 | farseer_ | abrotman, haha -- erhm... right ;) |
| 01:07.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | :) |
| 01:07.14 | amphi | !tell mnguyen about why aptitude |
| 01:07.17 | farseer_ | mnguyen, fruit |
| 01:07.26 | abrotman | why am i the only one that ever gets the "sugar bear" thing |
| 01:07.28 | abrotman | amphi: dead bot |
| 01:07.35 | DawnLight | aptitude is the real thing |
| 01:07.55 | lfs | So I should use parted to get my usb stick fixed? |
| 01:08.00 | martiancode | CutMeOwnThroat: can't figure out how does Bill sleeps at night, if he does sleep heh anyway |
| 01:08.08 | martiancode | CutMeOwnThroat: so you program? |
| 01:08.14 | mnguyen | yah ive used aptitiude and synaptic... pretty sweet apps |
| 01:08.19 | farseer_ | abrotman, i don't really get that part.. sounds a bit gay if u ask me :D |
| 01:08.21 | amphi | abrotman: so it seems :( |
| 01:08.22 | mnguyen | hey how can I share a printer to my MAC? |
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| 01:08.38 | martiancode | CutMeOwnThroat: or Admin and just playing with codes when needed? :-) |
| 01:08.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | martiancode: nope... what do you do? |
| 01:08.47 | gravity | sugar bear? |
| 01:08.47 | abrotman | farseer_: it's an old commercial |
| 01:08.51 | xoz | abrotman: you guessed it right. burning etch iso cd image to dvd boots and installs with no problem. |
| 01:08.52 | cpuobsessed | how do i turn off ipv6? |
| 01:08.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | martiancode: post-doc in chemistry right now |
| 01:08.54 | DawnLight | if i have a module and use m-a to build it. will it run over it? |
| 01:09.01 | farseer_ | abrotman, ooh, but see--- i |
| 01:09.03 | farseer_ | crap |
| 01:09.16 | farseer_ | abrotman, i mean, i'm not in the US |
| 01:09.24 | martiancode | CutMeOwnThroat: trying to learn as much as possible, i wasted alot of time behind windows |
| 01:09.28 | abrotman | farseer_: ok |
| 01:09.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | martiancode: not "waste" ... say "learned the hard way" :) |
| 01:09.51 | martiancode | CutMeOwnThroat: that's great !! |
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| 01:10.07 | farseer_ | abrotman, anyways.. do know know anything about tmpfs? |
| 01:10.20 | abrotman | how to spell it |
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| 01:10.49 | martiancode | CutMeOwnThroat: it's just kind of making your mind rusty that's why it feels like a waste |
| 01:12.16 | martiancode | heh |
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| 01:12.16 | farseer_ | abrotman, other than that ;) |
| 01:12.16 | abrotman | ask a better qeustion |
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| 01:12.17 | martiancode | CutMeOwnThroat: using your mind as less as possible isn't a very nice thing "click, drag & drop" |
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| 01:12.17 | farseer_ | abrotman, i did.. i u look above. i was woundering why tmpfs is using 95% of my ram |
| 01:12.17 | stew | &tmpfs |
| 01:12.17 | aptitude | cd /usr/src/linux/Documentation; grep -r tmpfs *, or under Sid at least tmpfs is automatically mounted at boot time by /etc/init.d/mountvirtfs (no need to add it to fstab). you can change the default size of it by editing /etc/default/tmpfs. For performance reasons you can also mount temporary filesystems there such as /tmp with a line like "tmpfs /tmp tmpfs defaults 0 0" in fstab |
| 01:12.40 | stew | i'm guessing te "under sid at least" is probably outdated |
| 01:12.51 | martiancode | CutMeOwnThroat: well it's very nice talking to you, I got to run for now and thanks again :-) |
| 01:13.08 | DavidProck1981 | back, so any one got an answer |
| 01:13.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | lfs: so... sorry, I dont think your sticks are necessarily broken - but it seems I dont grok filesystems enough to advise you what to do with them... doing something like mkreiserfs /dev/sdX should restore it |
| 01:13.11 | farseer_ | stew, so if it's set up automaticly, then i shouldn't bother? |
| 01:13.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | martiancode: bye... |
| 01:13.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | martiancode: bye... |
| 01:13.23 | stew | farseer_: i have no idea |
| 01:13.29 | DawnLight | isn't screen great |
| 01:13.36 | martiancode | CutMeOwnThroat: unfortunately I'm still in a place where you have to shutdown your PC heh |
| 01:13.45 | cpuobsessed | how do i turn off ipv6? |
| 01:14.03 | DawnLight | cpuobsessed: punch it |
| 01:14.03 | stew | farseer_: though it looks like you could set a maxiumum size in /etc/default/tmpfs |
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| 01:14.08 | farseer_ | stew, what does your df read? |
| 01:14.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | lfs: restore it to something with a filesystem on it... actually wanted to say 'mkfatfs' but that doesnt exist anymore? uh.. I dunno :) |
| 01:14.19 | martiancode | night... |
| 01:14.19 | farseer_ | steve, ok :) |
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| 01:14.33 | stew | farseer_: tmpfs 517980 4 517976 1% /dev/shm |
| 01:14.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | lfs: ah.. there it is mkfs.vfat :) |
| 01:14.55 | stew | cpuobsessed: blacklist the ipv6 module: /msg aptitude blacklist |
| 01:15.02 | jair | anyone has been lucky installing the latest java in iceweasel? |
| 01:15.15 | jair | I normally install it on firefox and it just work |
| 01:15.24 | farseer_ | steve, nothing on /lib/init/rw ? |
| 01:15.29 | yeonhoo | question : my other computer's hd bad sector problem. I used badblocks command but the problem persists |
| 01:15.37 | yeonhoo | what i should do/? |
| 01:15.38 | jair | but now in the iceweasel, which suppouse to be the same as firefox |
| 01:16.00 | stew | farseer_: oh, yeah tmpfs 517980 0 517980 0% /lib/init/rw |
| 01:16.49 | DavidProck1981 | jair: i got java installed for iceweasle |
| 01:16.50 | farseer_ | stew, oh ok.. u got like... 1GB of ram? |
| 01:17.01 | DawnLight | how is it possible that i can load the nvidia module while "find / vidia doesn't find anything?? |
| 01:17.03 | hermogenes | jair: iceweasel is not firefox |
| 01:17.08 | DavidProck1981 | was easy to do |
| 01:17.15 | stew | farseer_: yes |
| 01:17.36 | nn-main | how do a add and option to a mounted mount |
| 01:17.43 | stew | DawnLight: becuase the module name is probably 'nvidia.ko' not 'vidia' |
| 01:18.07 | farseer_ | stew, then u got just about the same setup as me. i got confused then "top" said i only hade 25MB of ram free, and 1,2GB used |
| 01:18.10 | stew | DawnLight: '/sbin/modinfo nvidia' would tell you where exactly it is located |
| 01:18.12 | yeonhoo | how to mount primary hd ? |
| 01:18.14 | yeonhoo | nono |
| 01:18.41 | stew | farseer_: its normal to not have free memory, /msg dpkg free memory |
| 01:18.42 | yeonhoo | how to unmount primary HD ?? because i already tried umount /dev/hdb1 |
| 01:18.58 | farseer_ | stew, ok :) thanks |
| 01:19.04 | yeonhoo | but doesnt umont |
| 01:19.07 | yeonhoo | umount |
| 01:19.12 | DawnLight | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:19.18 | stew | farseer_: err, dpkg is sleeping: /msg aptitude free memory |
| 01:19.33 | Komsip | DawnLight: why would you want to delete it? |
| 01:19.44 | stew | yeonhoo: does it give you an error? what do you mean by "primary hd"? |
| 01:19.51 | DawnLight | Komsip: because i want to build it again |
| 01:19.56 | farseer_ | stew, both are |
| 01:20.01 | Komsip | it'll be overwritten |
| 01:20.10 | Komsip | but sure...delete it |
| 01:20.25 | DawnLight | magnificant |
| 01:20.27 | jair | DavidProck1981: may I know how you did it? |
| 01:20.31 | hermogenes | jair: just add the non-free repositories to your sources.list and do aptitude install sun-java5-plugin sun-java5-jdk |
| 01:20.33 | Komsip | but you won |
| 01:20.34 | yeonhoo | stew, i have two partitions one hdb1 and other |
| 01:20.41 | jair | hermogenes: hmmm |
| 01:20.57 | DavidProck1981 | i just installed it, and tell it to load the plug in |
| 01:20.58 | farseer_ | yeonhoo, boot from a live cd then |
| 01:20.58 | yeonhoo | steve, i used badblocks command to fix |
| 01:20.59 | Komsip | t be able to run x when it's gone of course |
| 01:21.00 | jair | DavidProck1981: you did it the way hermogenes is telling me to do it? |
| 01:21.08 | psykidellic | hi, is there any shorter way to do this: head -n file1 | tail -1 >> file2 : i am trying to append the nth line of file1 to file2 |
| 01:21.21 | DavidProck1981 | i did not read what he say |
| 01:21.28 | yeonhoo | farseer_, im trying to fix my hd |
| 01:21.37 | Komsip | well unless you use nv in hte mean time |
| 01:21.43 | DavidProck1981 | ./jre-6-linux-i586.bin and set it up |
| 01:21.48 | nn-main | how do a add and option to a mounted mount with out umounting it the drive is bisy and i need to add user to the opitions |
| 01:21.49 | stew | farseer_: linux uses any free memory as disk cache in order to speed things up. it will release this memory immediately if it is needed. look at the "+/- buffers/cace" line in output of "free" |
| 01:22.05 | yeonhoo | farseer_, my hd has alot of problem i used badblocks command to fix |
| 01:22.06 | hermogenes | jair: my way is better |
| 01:22.13 | yeonhoo | but no effect |
| 01:22.23 | DavidProck1981 | hermogenes, what is your way? |
| 01:22.28 | jair | DavidProck1981: how??? |
| 01:22.29 | stew | nn-main: what would adding user to an already mounted drive do? |
| 01:22.36 | DawnLight | depmod is short for what? |
| 01:22.41 | DavidProck1981 | how what, just download it |
| 01:22.44 | jair | DavidProck1981: following the instructions on teh java site? |
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| 01:22.48 | stew | nn-main: in any case: mount -o remount,user /mountpoint |
| 01:22.49 | nn-main | allow a user to write to the drive |
| 01:22.52 | jair | DavidProck1981: that is what i did |
| 01:22.57 | yeonhoo | because of the hd problem i cant write information to hd |
| 01:23.00 | hermogenes | DavidProck1981: install the non-free repositories packages for sun's java |
| 01:23.05 | jair | hermogenes: i will try the way you are telling me ;) |
| 01:23.07 | yeonhoo | and its not booting from hd |
| 01:23.13 | stew | nn-main: that's not what user does, that's what uid/gid/umask do |
| 01:23.26 | yeonhoo | i want to fix hd but i dont know how anybody can give me advice? |
| 01:23.29 | jair | hermogenes: I am just upset because I could not installed when I always cxan using the one from the java site |
| 01:23.30 | stew | nn-main: user is about who is allowed to mount it, not who is allowed to use it |
| 01:23.30 | DavidProck1981 | hermogenes: oh |
| 01:23.50 | DavidProck1981 | jair: https://sdlc6a.sun.com/ECom/EComActionServlet;jsessionid=97B6DFF0E5C5D50FDD73A36958FB69D1 |
| 01:23.55 | nn-main | ? |
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| 01:24.13 | farseer_ | yeonhoo, i use fsck.ext3 (or what filesystem u use) |
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| 01:24.51 | DavidProck1981 | jair: aptitude search java |
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| 01:25.01 | nn-main | well what is the option then to allow a user to use it??????????? |
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| 01:25.21 | stew | !wb |
| 01:25.23 | dpkg | thanks, stew. It's good to be back. |
| 01:25.33 | stew | nn-main: as i said, uid/gid/umask |
| 01:25.43 | jair | let me try couple of things |
| 01:25.57 | farseer_ | nn-main, is the drive mounted rw? |
| 01:26.05 | dvs | dpkg: shut up |
| 01:26.05 | dpkg | No, I won't, and you can't make me. :P |
| 01:26.15 | yeonhoo | farseer_, yes i already tried after using badblocks command but it said partition in using. then i used umount /dev/hdb1 <---file partition but i couldnt unmount it |
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| 01:26.34 | stew | yeonhoo: why couldn't you. do you get an error? |
| 01:26.39 | DavidProck1981 | dpkg: bend over |
| 01:26.39 | stew | yeonhoo: where is it mounted? |
| 01:26.43 | nn-main | stew, um that dosent give me the comand i need |
| 01:26.49 | farseer_ | yeonhoo, umount -f ? |
| 01:26.52 | DavidProck1981 | lol |
| 01:26.55 | stew | nn-main: the command you need is "man mount" |
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| 01:27.28 | yeonhoo | farseer_, i didnt try this yet i didint know this command thank you farseer_ im going to try know |
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| 01:27.32 | yeonhoo | farseer_, i didnt try this yet i didint know this command thank you farseer_ im going to try *ow |
| 01:27.36 | hermogenes | !tell jair about install java |
| 01:27.40 | stew | yeonhoo: where is it mounted? |
| 01:27.55 | tvynr | Does anyone know where I can find some resources on how to create a Debian package out of some source for an Apache server module? I could use apxs2 to build and install the module, but then it wouldn't be packaged and that would be naaaasty. |
| 01:28.12 | stew | tvynr: /msg dpkg mg |
| 01:28.13 | yeonhoo | stew, sorry i didnt understood |
| 01:28.28 | yeonhoo | stew, its mounted /etc/fstab ?? |
| 01:28.28 | stew | yeonhoo: what directory is /dev/hdb1 mounted to? |
| 01:28.47 | stew | yeonhoo: is it / ? /home? /usr? /tmp? |
| 01:28.53 | yeonhoo | stew, didint catch yet... ahh root |
| 01:28.54 | farseer_ | yeonhoo, if i't your "/" partition then i guess u need a live cd to boot from........ |
| 01:29.05 | farseer_ | err it's |
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| 01:29.17 | yeonhoo | farseer_, yes i have only one system partition |
| 01:29.26 | tvynr | stew: Yep; I have a little bit of experience with packaging stuff for Debian. I was hoping that there was some Debian-specific tool for auto-packaging Apache module sources, since apache2-dev has the apxs2 tool that compiles and installs custom modules. |
| 01:29.35 | nn-main | aug |
| 01:29.41 | yeonhoo | stew, one partition i have |
| 01:29.57 | yeonhoo | farseer_, and then have to boot from live cd and ? fix? |
| 01:30.12 | farseer_ | yeonhoo, yup. that will work |
| 01:30.23 | WALoeIII | How do I untar something and skip the directory that it is packaged in? foo.tar.gz has the folder foo/ archived, I don't want to unarchive it and have everything in foo/ I want the files to come out and overwrite everything right where I'm untaring |
| 01:30.29 | stew | yeonhoo: you can't unmount your / partition, you'll have to boot a livecd or and install cd or something |
| 01:30.44 | stew | tvynr: out of curiosity, which module? |
| 01:31.07 | yeonhoo | farseer_, stew thank you !! im going to try this now!! |
| 01:31.18 | farseer_ | np |
| 01:31.19 | stew | tvynr: i just packaged one recently and didn't really find any shortcuts. i just copied some other module's packaging |
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| 01:31.23 | tvynr | stew: mod_bw. I'm trying to get traffic shaping on a per-file or per-directory basis on my little tin-can-and-string website and I don't want people downloading my .iso to kill my bandwidth. |
| 01:31.56 | tvynr | stew: mod_bw seems to be the only one with the fine-grainedness that I want. I'd really prefer to ToS mark the packets and let Shorewall do the work, but apparently mod_iptos isn't ported to Apache2 yet. |
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| 01:32.47 | DawnLight | does anyone else take netinst everywhere with him? |
| 01:32.50 | nn-main | Please just tell me how to tell mount to allow user nn to rw the drive? |
| 01:33.16 | farseer_ | nn-main, add "user" |
| 01:33.41 | nn-main | ? mount add nn |
| 01:33.41 | yeonhoo | one more question : after i boot from livecd have I execute badblocks command again and wait several hours ? |
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| 01:36.24 | nn-main | what |
| 01:36.29 | nn-main | how ? |
| 01:36.31 | farseer_ | nn-main, /dev/hdXn /mnt/foo ext3 auto,defaults 0 1 |
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| 01:37.19 | nn-main | ? that wont give nn rw access? farseer_ |
| 01:37.36 | lfs | so what is the command for mkfs -t /dev/sdd to make vfat 16? |
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| 01:37.52 | lfs | mkfs.vfat isnt there |
| 01:37.58 | DawnLight | why do i have /usr/src/linux? |
| 01:38.12 | lfs | y not |
| 01:38.12 | farseer_ | nn-main, depends. i mean, if you create a dir logged in as root... then it wont.. |
| 01:38.34 | DawnLight | i mean, which package did it come from? |
| 01:38.43 | simonrvn_ | ffs, what is this? |
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| 01:38.50 | lfs | kernel headers |
| 01:39.05 | Mr_Dave | lfs: have you installed the dosfstools package? |
| 01:39.14 | abrotman | simonrvn_: Sunday: Part II: Return of the Idjits ? |
| 01:39.21 | wladston | hey guys, I would like to install debian on my kurobox device, it's a PowerPC. Can anyone help me ? |
| 01:39.29 | DawnLight | linux linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686 linux-source-2.6.18.tar.bz2 rpm |
| 01:39.29 | DawnLight | linux-headers-2.6.18-4 linux-kbuild-2.6.18 nvidia-kernel-source.tar.gz |
| 01:39.32 | simonrvn | no, my constant getting disconnected. :( |
| 01:39.51 | abrotman | simonrvn: oh :) |
| 01:39.57 | DawnLight | what a mess |
| 01:40.03 | lfs | The libraries need to know the kernel headers |
| 01:40.09 | DawnLight | all looks the same to me :) |
| 01:40.11 | lfs | That is why it is there. |
| 01:40.20 | lfs | Dont mess with it. |
| 01:40.45 | DawnLight | thanks |
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| 01:43.47 | lfs | aDebian:/home/lfs# mkfs.vfat /dev/sdd |
| 01:43.48 | lfs | mkfs.vfat 2.11 (12 Mar 2005) |
| 01:43.48 | lfs | mkfs.vfat: /dev/sdd contains a mounted file system. |
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| 01:43.57 | lfs | WHere is it mounted at? |
| 01:44.21 | Mr_Dave | lfs: type mount and it'll list all mounted devices |
| 01:44.39 | Mr_Dave | also, you generally don't want to create a FS on the whole device |
| 01:44.51 | stew | nn-main: what filesystem are you trying to mount? |
| 01:44.51 | lfs | usb stick |
| 01:45.05 | s0undt3ch | for all of you interested -> http://blog.ufsoft.org/index.php/2007/05/10/irssi-notification/ |
| 01:45.15 | lfs | Anything, I really want to put grub on the stinking thing |
| 01:45.16 | Mr_Dave | you almost always want to create a partition that fills the entire disk, and then mkfs.vfat -F[16|32] /dev/sdd1 |
| 01:45.39 | lfs | I was having trouble with parted |
| 01:45.48 | nn-main | /mnt/e |
| 01:45.53 | Mr_Dave | lfs: fdisk is fairly straightforward |
| 01:45.53 | lfs | I cant figure out this usb stick |
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| 01:47.00 | DavidProck1981 | is there a way i can have one program start brfore the other does in the /.kde/autostart/ |
| 01:47.26 | abrotman | ask #kde |
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| 01:50.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | how stupid |
| 01:50.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | debconf says: The kernel version running is the same as the one being installed |
| 01:51.09 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: and why is that stupid? |
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| 01:51.29 | DawnLight | wow, the dependencie resonving engine that aptitude uses is neat! i can just play with it for hours... 8-) |
| 01:51.34 | lfs | I used fdisk to give it a parttion table |
| 01:51.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | debconf says:[...] The modules list is quite likely to have been changed, and the x modules dependency file /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-k7/modules.dep needs to be re-built. It can not be built correctly right now, since the module list for the running kernel are likely to be different from the kernel installed. |
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| 01:52.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok - so I am tired and might be missing something... |
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| 01:52.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | but that's just bullshit - if the new kernel is the same as the current one, why should I need to reboot? |
| 01:52.46 | termitor | http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070507-record-shops-used-cds-ihre-papieren-bitte.html it's amazin , it's incredible it's crazy , sorry for, but , i'ts .... |
| 01:52.54 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: becuase its not the same as the current one. you are replacing the current one |
| 01:52.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | and why is ist doing this anyways - I was doing apt-get upgrade to etch |
| 01:53.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I was running a current unstable kernel before, so they stay the same |
| 01:53.21 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: becuase there were a bunch of security fixes for your kernel, so the security team uploaded a fixed one |
| 01:53.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
| 01:53.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | cant be |
| 01:53.43 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: what can't be? |
| 01:53.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | they are both 2.6.18-4 |
| 01:53.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | nothe the -4 |
| 01:53.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | note the -4 |
| 01:54.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | that means: exactly the same |
| 01:54.16 | dvs | CutMeOwnThroat: not in this case |
| 01:54.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | ?? |
| 01:54.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | why not |
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| 01:54.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | what is versioning *for*, when you dont use it |
| 01:54.45 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, you are replacing linux-image-2.6.18-4-k7 version 2.6.18.dfsg.1-12 with linux-image-2.6.18-4-k7 version 2.6.18.dfsg.1-12etch1 |
| 01:54.58 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: the package name is the same, but it is a new version of that package |
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| 01:55.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 01:55.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | but that should mean it has the same contents |
| 01:55.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | gah |
| 01:55.37 | dvs | CutMeOwnThroat: no, they have different version numbers |
| 01:55.38 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: if it had the same contents, there would be no point in releasing a new version |
| 01:55.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | :( |
| 01:55.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | sigh |
| 01:56.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | now the kernel modules I gave my blood for are gone, you want to say? |
| 01:56.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | grmp... didnt _plan_ to do a kernel update |
| 01:56.34 | lfs | So like what does grub-install /dev/sdd do? |
| 01:57.07 | stew | lfs: copies files to /boot/grub , installs a boot loader to the first sector of /dev/sd |
| 01:57.08 | lfs | I'll find out |
| 01:57.16 | lfs | Is that all I need? |
| 01:57.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew: well, there would be a point - if all etch packets had the etch postfix, that would explain why this one also needs it |
| 01:57.33 | stew | lfs: is /boot/grub located on /dev/sdd? |
| 01:57.55 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: what do you mean by "etch packet" and "etch postfix"? |
| 01:58.02 | lfs | grub-install doesnt work on usb device |
| 01:58.08 | stew | lfs: yes it does |
| 01:58.18 | lfs | Debian:/home/lfs# grub-install /dev/sdd |
| 01:58.19 | lfs | /dev/sdd does not have any corresponding BIOS drive. |
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| 01:59.12 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: if you mean "all etch packages need an 'etch???' string appended to their version string, that would be incorrect |
| 01:59.26 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: those are generally only for updates to etch packages done after the release |
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| 02:16.49 | dotCOMmie | Hello, when you update a package it prompts you what you want to do if config file has been changed.. is there an easy way to get this dialogue after you told it to do nothing during update |
| 02:17.11 | dotCOMmie | in other words how do I install a config file fresh from a package? |
| 02:18.13 | abrotman | !tell dotCOMmie about confmiss |
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| 02:18.21 | abrotman | dotCOMmie: movethe current one out of the way first |
| 02:18.40 | stew | dotCOMmie: you want to replace all of the conf files from this package with new ones, or just one of the conffiles? |
| 02:19.20 | dotCOMmie | stew: I'll try what abrotman suggested |
| 02:19.24 | dotCOMmie | seems like a simple option |
| 02:19.29 | dotCOMmie | abrotman: thanks |
| 02:19.54 | abrotman | dotCOMmie: stew might have a better idea |
| 02:20.41 | dotCOMmie | stew: please do share |
| 02:20.43 | dotCOMmie | d: |
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| 02:21.36 | stew | dotCOMmie: if you want to replace all the conffiles of the package with new ones, dpkg --force-confnew -i /var/cache/apt/archives/packagename-$version.deb |
| 02:23.05 | dotCOMmie | stew: and if I want just one I'd go with abrotman's method? |
| 02:23.09 | Harzilein | hmm |
| 02:23.44 | Harzilein | can someone help me come up with a pipe that'll replace the first occurence of something and after that prints the rest without having to match anything? |
| 02:23.45 | stew | dotCOMmie: yeah move it and run my command with force-confmiss instead of force-confnew |
| 02:23.52 | Harzilein | harzi@tor:~$ awk '!flag && /^<html>/ {print "<html>"; flag = 1} {print}' |
| 02:23.57 | Harzilein | prints one <html> too much |
| 02:24.11 | dotCOMmie | stew: thanks |
| 02:24.21 | Harzilein | harzi@tor:~$ awk '!flag && /^<html>/ {print "<html>"; flag = 1} !/^<html>/ {print}' |
| 02:24.33 | Harzilein | still has to match for every line |
| 02:24.49 | Harzilein | s/match/search/ |
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| 02:25.50 | stew | Harzilein: awk '!flag && /^<html>/ { gsub("^<html>","<replacement>"); print ; flag=1 }' ? |
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| 02:27.43 | stew | Harzilein: err, get remove print from that block, and add {print} as a separate block |
| 02:27.50 | wlnet | i have set up my Debian PC to use Mandarin, with many links to Mandarin sites. anyone interested to know how it is done is free to look it up at http://wlaoye.no-ip.biz/Chinese.html. |
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| 02:28.48 | epsilon | is there any plan, how long the security support will be available for Sarge? |
| 02:29.05 | Harzilein | stew: but won't the print from the separate block still match as the line hasn't been advanced? |
| 02:29.12 | stew | epsilon: for one year or until lenny is released, whichever is shorter |
| 02:29.13 | peterS | epsilon: probably the same as the security team has done in recent releases: support it for a year or so after etch was released (i.e., until April 2008) |
| 02:29.23 | Harzilein | stew: that's what my "one <html> to many" statement was about |
| 02:29.41 | stew | Harzilein: awk '!flag && /^<html>/ { gsub("^<html>","<replacement>"); flag=1 }{print}' |
| 02:29.52 | stew | Harzilein: there is only one print statement, so every line is printed once |
| 02:29.53 | abrotman | stew: isn't that the same guy from earlier today? (.sg) ? |
| 02:29.54 | epsilon | wished it'd be little longer :-/ |
| 02:30.23 | Harzilein | stew: ah, now i get it |
| 02:30.28 | Harzilein | stew: nice, thx |
| 02:30.59 | Harzilein | stew: my earlier solution with print did not change the line's contents, gsub does of course |
| 02:31.02 | peterS | epsilon: see this way we leave room for aftermarket security support contracts, like fedora legacy was gonna do |
| 02:31.08 | Harzilein | stew: :)= |
| 02:31.21 | peterS | I have no idea if they're still around, but that's the principle |
| 02:31.22 | abrotman | i work for beer! :) |
| 02:32.09 | peterS | though of course this isn't really about third-party support vendors, but about how much work the volunteers are willing to do |
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| 02:32.51 | Harzilein | yayay |
| 02:33.06 | Harzilein | if anyone's interested, this is the script stew's help made work: |
| 02:33.07 | Harzilein | harzi@tor:~$ curl -s -F do=edit http://help.epicsol.org/~help/admin | tidy -n -q -asxhtml | awk '!flag && /^<html/ { gsub("^<html.*","<html>"); flag=1 } {print}' | xmlstarlet sel -t -v "/html/body/div[1]/div[2]/div/form[@id='dw__editform']/textarea[@id='wiki__text']" |
| 02:33.22 | stew | i'm sorry to be a part of that |
| 02:33.29 | Harzilein | will print source of dokuwiki pages |
| 02:33.32 | Harzilein | stew: hrhr |
| 02:34.37 | mixman_ | its so 1337 |
| 02:34.39 | mixman_ | lol |
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| 02:37.54 | wlnet | 1337? what's that suppose to mean? |
| 02:38.20 | Sweetandy | Leet |
| 02:38.21 | tuvwx | what fonts does gnuplot's postscript terminal see? /usr/share/fonts/type1, /usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1 or neither? |
| 02:38.43 | wlnet | and what's Leet? |
| 02:39.04 | peterS | wlnet: kiddie slang for "elite" |
| 02:39.16 | abrotman | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=1337 |
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| 02:39.49 | peterS | i.e., "superior in terms of hacker values" - the term is usually inaccurate (: |
| 02:39.50 | wlnet | all this strange way of talking makes me feel old and left-out. |
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| 02:40.26 | abrotman | i like #5 on that URL :) |
| 02:40.40 | wlnet | is there a stats on the age profile of people who chats here? |
| 02:40.53 | dexomsrc | How would that be collected? |
| 02:40.53 | abrotman | there isn't one |
| 02:40.55 | peterS | wlnet: no, there is no way to collect that information |
| 02:41.21 | abrotman | though i do suspect that peterS is about seven or eight years old |
| 02:41.37 | peterS | I turn nine next month |
| 02:41.44 | abrotman | w00t? :) |
| 02:41.45 | wlnet | i guess the dominant lot will be below twenty? |
| 02:41.52 | Sweetandy | abrotman: Yes, that reminds me of a friend poking fun of me... "LAWL WINDOZZZEEEE RULEZORXEZ! |
| 02:42.02 | dexomsrc | I'm 19 |
| 02:42.04 | peterS | wlnet: I've heard from a lot of people in here who claim to be in their 30s and 40s. this surprises me. |
| 02:42.05 | dexomsrc | But I could be lying. |
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| 02:42.44 | stew | peterS: maybe you can take off the training wheels for your next 150 mile ride |
| 02:42.44 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:42.44 | peterS | stew: now that's a thought. might cut down on friction, even |
| 02:42.44 | abrotman | peterS: do you ahve a bell or a horn on that thing ? |
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| 02:42.53 | wlnet | peterS: you of the age as abrotman suspect? |
| 02:43.10 | abrotman | peterS: cheetah girls or hannah montanna ? |
| 02:43.13 | Sweetandy | !pwn |
| 02:43.19 | peterS | wlnet: perhaps |
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| 02:43.47 | peterS | abrotman: I used to have a cool (rather loud) bell on a previous bike, someone unscrewed and stole the top half for no reason. current bike has no communication aid |
| 02:44.11 | Stevie-O | just yell really loud |
| 02:44.19 | abrotman | peterS: you could get one of those deer whistling devices that they used to strap on cadillacs |
| 02:44.23 | peterS | Stevie-O: that's what I have to do. and make threatening hand signals |
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| 02:44.46 | peterS | abrotman: what I want is a portable emp generator |
| 02:44.49 | sgeigerbot | peterS: If you share personal stuff like that, expect it to become an oft-repeated factoid for the rest of your life. |
| 02:45.00 | abrotman | peterS: i'll buy it if you can find it! |
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| 02:45.07 | stew | i've thought about getting one of those pumpable compressed air horns for my bike |
| 02:45.27 | abrotman | stew: couldn't you mount mrs stew on the handlebars as a substitute? |
| 02:45.31 | stew | the bell just doesn't cut it now that all the other fools in the park all are blaring ipods |
| 02:45.34 | peterS | stew: something that sounds like a toy or something that sounds like a semi truck horn? |
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| 02:45.57 | Sweetandy | stew: blaring ipods through their headphones is bad enough, don't you think? |
| 02:46.25 | stew | peterS: dunno, it looks like it should be loud |
| 02:46.29 | abrotman | stew: you mean people running/riding have ipods and ignore what's going on around them ? |
| 02:46.30 | peterS | Sweetandy: ipods at least don't annoy everyone else at the stoplight, like pimpwoofers do. nobody has to know your crappy taste in music. |
| 02:46.36 | wlnet | why not just use a loudspeaker? |
| 02:47.08 | abrotman | it's hard to mount the power source on a bike ? |
| 02:47.19 | wlnet | battery operated. |
| 02:47.33 | wlnet | portable type. |
| 02:47.33 | abrotman | not going to be very loud then |
| 02:47.52 | abrotman | i've used a pignose amp .. the sound couldn't fill a closet |
| 02:48.01 | Sweetandy | peterS: Perhaps is is personal preference then... I like the sound of nature... the birds singing... the motorcycles grinding... |
| 02:48.30 | peterS | Sweetandy: oh, I don't use an ipod. but I'd rather someone else did, than buy $4000 worth of car stereo equipment just to show off his lack of taste in music |
| 02:48.52 | CompWizrd | it's almost neough to make you wish it was legal to wear headphones while driving, eh |
| 02:49.00 | abrotman | it is ? |
| 02:49.07 | Sweetandy | peterS: steely dan, woot |
| 02:49.08 | abrotman | peterS: you call that music? :) |
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| 02:49.12 | stew | peterS: http://www.nashbar.com/profile.cfm?sku=4897 |
| 02:49.18 | peterS | Sweetandy: if they could stick to steely dan I wouldn't complain |
| 02:49.33 | wlnet | Sweetandy: motorcycles are no nature and their grinding sounds spoil those of nature. |
| 02:49.53 | Sweetandy | wlnet: Yes, it was a joke. |
| 02:49.57 | Sweetandy | alnet: Albeit a bad joke. |
| 02:50.15 | wlnet | i know, we are all joking here. :) |
| 02:50.16 | abrotman | stew: it looks like a bong gone wrong :) |
| 02:50.30 | peterS | stew: oh that does look interesting |
| 02:50.43 | stew | abrotman: it probably easily converts to one |
| 02:50.44 | Sweetandy | wlnet: In that case, WINDOZE RULEXOZRZ! |
| 02:50.49 | abrotman | stew: i wonder if it's really be loud enough though |
| 02:51.03 | peterS | abrotman: claims to be 115 dB, you don't need much more than that to make a point |
| 02:51.08 | wlnet | pls, i can't follow those kiddie talk. |
| 02:51.16 | CompWizrd | if that doesn't work, the "Halt" product to the right should |
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| 02:51.25 | wlnet | let's talk debian. is debian pre-installed by any vendor? |
| 02:51.32 | abrotman | peterS: dunno .. i've walked/rode next to people with their mp3 players up pretty damn loud |
| 02:51.45 | abrotman | here we go again |
| 02:51.54 | Sweetandy | A friend called me earlier asking a computer question. He was making a video for a project at school, and Windows MovieMaker wouldn't take his camera's video format. He had been up until 4:30am, so I decided not to give him the Linux rant. |
| 02:51.55 | peterS | wlnet: HP offers it on some server lines, I believe |
| 02:52.31 | abrotman | Sweetandy: if my friend called at 430AM .. he'd get a sleep rant |
| 02:52.36 | JW | How can I add a second gateway to eth1, so that "ping -I eth1 www.google.com" works as well as through the default gw on eth0? |
| 02:52.39 | wlnet | i heard Dell is going to pre-install ubuntu on its box. |
| 02:52.51 | abrotman | wlnet: try #ubuntu |
| 02:52.53 | Sweetandy | abrotman: Naw, he has just been up trying to get Windows to accept his video to no avail. He called me this afternoon. |
| 02:53.02 | peterS | wlnet: that's possible, but that has nothing much to do with Debian |
| 02:53.09 | irule | I made /boot /usr /var /home and swap partitions all separatelly, is /boot the only one that should have the bootable flag? I am at cfdisk thanks |
| 02:53.18 | abrotman | Sweetandy: ah ok |
| 02:53.35 | wlnet | ubuntu is a derivative of debian. wonder why it doesn't choose debian. |
| 02:53.41 | abrotman | irule: IIRC it doesn't even need that .. but you can |
| 02:53.41 | peterS | wlnet: ask Dell |
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| 02:54.19 | wlnet | i did, it says debian sucks. |
| 02:54.24 | abrotman | nice troll |
| 02:54.24 | Sweetandy | I heard that the Ubuntu founder was mad at the project for having evolved into something so completely un-debian to the point of utter incompatibility. |
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| 02:55.04 | wlnet | abrotman: anything unpleasant to your ears is troll. |
| 02:55.05 | peterS | wlnet: I bet they said no such thing. don't repeat that kind of lie, especially if you're from singapore, because we're getting pretty tired of people from your country being stupid in this channel. just a reminder |
| 02:55.25 | stew | wlnet: drop it. you've been warned about this line of conversation and subsequently removed from the channels already once today |
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| 02:56.29 | wlnet | peterS: stew: stupid pair. generalise a lot. knows only one Singaporean. Go fuck yourselves. |
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| 02:56.48 | abrotman | what the hell |
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| 02:57.07 | irule | phone support servieces @ dell may change radically because they may have to start fixing computers for non-linux savvy home users who simply chose the linux version whatvever distro because it was cheaper heh |
| 02:57.12 | peterS | I'm pleased that he didn't get to pull off a proper parting shot |
| 02:57.22 | abrotman | he'll be back i'm sure |
| 02:57.33 | abrotman | with a string of "MFSOB"s or some crap |
| 02:57.56 | peterS | probably. but he should be annoyed that he got a +q before he could leave in a huff (: |
| 02:57.56 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:57.56 | irule | what is an MFSOB? |
| 02:58.05 | tuvwx | err.. once i saturate my download bandwidth, my adsl modem gives up and the speed drops to about 10% or less |
| 02:58.08 | peterS | irule: ask the singtards who love our channel for some reason |
| 02:58.29 | peterS | irule: and if you know any real people in singapore, please have them join this channel so we can get a more balanced impression of that country |
| 02:58.33 | tuvwx | i have to power-cycle the modem to get back my bandwidth, which i can't use all of it :( |
| 02:58.42 | abrotman | peterS: let's get phated back! |
| 02:59.26 | peterS | abrotman: yeah no kidding. she's like the biggest reason I have for resisting the urge to ban *!*@*.sg. an existence proof that they're not all like that |
| 02:59.37 | abrotman | and timgoh0 isn't bad :) |
| 02:59.52 | abrotman | peterS: phated hasn't been around in awhile though |
| 02:59.58 | peterS | I know. but still. |
| 03:00.12 | irule | ooooooooohhhh lol http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mfsob |
| 03:00.12 | abrotman | even changed nicks to dwu |
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| 03:00.42 | peterS | abrotman: oy, you're right, I didn't know |
| 03:00.58 | abrotman | i only know because she dropped by #-ot a few times |
| 03:01.31 | peterS | did she turn ubunt on us or something? |
| 03:01.54 | abrotman | OSX i think .. maybe ubuntu also |
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| 03:02.13 | Sweetandy | what does "ot" stand for? I've seen it everywhere. |
| 03:02.17 | abrotman | !ot |
| 03:02.17 | peterS | off-topic |
| 03:02.17 | dpkg | #debian-offtopic is not a place where nolife from #debian can come at will and feel at home. find another place ffs |
| 03:02.29 | Sweetandy | Gah, I'm such a newblian. |
| 03:02.43 | abrotman | doesn't the jargon dictionary list all this stuff ? |
| 03:02.58 | abrotman | !jargon |
| 03:02.58 | dpkg | methinks jargon is at http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon or apt-get install jargon |
| 03:03.16 | CompWizrd | i had to google tl;dr , i felt non geeky for awhile after. |
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| 03:08.41 | dotCOMmie | hmm mysql-server-4.1 depends on mysql-server-5.0... that seems weird |
| 03:08.48 | abrotman | metapackage |
| 03:08.52 | abrotman | there's no 4.1 in etch |
| 03:08.58 | abrotman | erm .. transitional package |
| 03:09.02 | dotCOMmie | gah! |
| 03:09.04 | dotCOMmie | damn it |
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| 03:09.14 | dotCOMmie | looks like I have to upgrade kernel |
| 03:09.23 | abrotman | to use mysql? |
| 03:09.27 | dotCOMmie | yes! |
| 03:09.39 | dotCOMmie | 5.0 doesnt suppor 2.4.x |
| 03:10.11 | dotCOMmie | in debian |
| 03:11.28 | peterS | weird - was this known at release time? sounds like an RC bug to me |
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| 03:11.28 | peterS | (we went to some trouble to fix apache2 to work properly with kernel 2.4 before the etch release) |
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| 03:11.29 | dotCOMmie | Yeah I recall the apache bug |
| 03:11.29 | dotCOMmie | took me 2 hours to get my server back up |
| 03:11.35 | dotCOMmie | peterS: this is testing |
| 03:11.35 | abrotman | peterS: but there's no 2.4 in etch .. so how is it an RC bug ? |
| 03:11.52 | peterS | abrotman: 'cause people upgrade from sarge to etch and we never told them they _had_ to switch to 2.6 kernels |
| 03:12.00 | abrotman | ah .. i guess |
| 03:12.02 | peterS | abrotman: lenny, however, will require 2.6 right from the startt |
| 03:12.04 | peterS | start |
| 03:12.05 | stew | peterS: we did in the release notes |
| 03:12.18 | abrotman | you two need to get your story straight! |
| 03:12.20 | Heston | when i go to install etch, it complains about not find an active swap partition even though i specifically made one and appears to work after install. any idea why this is happening? |
| 03:12.30 | dotCOMmie | I'd love to upgrade the kernel.. but I am not sure this damn box will come back up after a reboot |
| 03:12.36 | dotCOMmie | and its 2000 miles away |
| 03:12.40 | peterS | abrotman: people in virtualised environments (xen, etc.) sometimes don't have a choice about what kernel to run, so continuing to support 2.4 was quite reasonable. we can hope nobody really needs this in another 18 months |
| 03:12.48 | CompWizrd | #418838 mentions 2.4 and mysql 5.0 |
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| 03:13.57 | talisker | Hi, I'm looking for a website/article collection/FOSS book that can teach me about how E-mail works. I mean something deep enough to cover the behaviour of common mail servers, the differences and structures of the different common protocols [POP, SMTP, Imap, exchane, etcetera] and such. Does anyone happen to have a recommendation? |
| 03:14.01 | peterS | CompWizrd: well, bug 416841 was filed on 30 March 2007, just days before the release. I guess it was too late to fix it then. maybe it will be fixed in the next etch point release. |
| 03:14.01 | abrotman | peterS: you're only seven .. what do you know? :)_ |
| 03:14.13 | CompWizrd | 416841 too |
| 03:14.18 | peterS | abrotman: I said I was about to turn nine, give me that extra year of credit, willya? |
| 03:14.19 | CompWizrd | oops |
| 03:14.31 | abrotman | peterS: doh .. sorry man .. erm .. boy |
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| 03:14.48 | Sweetandy | You should have just seen what happened in #ubuntu |
| 03:14.51 | Swat2 | whats the task package for installing xwindows/gnome? |
| 03:15.44 | Sweetandy | I'm speechless |
| 03:15.45 | dotCOMmie | hmm so what are people like me supposed to do? |
| 03:15.45 | abrotman | Swat2: aptitude install gnome xorg |
| 03:15.46 | stew | Swat2: the 'desktop' task. or install the xorg and gnome packages |
| 03:15.46 | dotCOMmie | not live with mysql for couple of months.. assuming this will be fixed.. or install from source? |
| 03:15.46 | Swat2 | whats xorg ? :/ |
| 03:15.47 | Swat2 | dpkg xorg? |
| 03:15.47 | dpkg | hmm... xorg is X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.1. ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg |
| 03:15.47 | stew | dotCOMmie: i wouldn't assume it would be fixed |
| 03:15.47 | abrotman | dotCOMmie: or migrate to pgsql! |
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| 03:16.50 | Swat2 | stew: the get xwindows installed as easily as possible task for apt-get ;) |
| 03:17.12 | scrillaz_ | whenever I try to access a folder in a windows partition from linux it says too many arguments |
| 03:17.30 | dotCOMmie | hmm I guess debian isn't the distro for great uptimes.. |
| 03:17.30 | scrillaz_ | how can I rectify that? |
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| 03:17.39 | abrotman | dotCOMmie: really ? |
| 03:17.48 | dotCOMmie | abrotman: If you have to update the kernel ever 2 years or so.. |
| 03:18.09 | abrotman | dotCOMmie: only if you run mysql apparently :) |
| 03:18.14 | stew | Swat2: the task is "desktop" the packgae is "xorg" |
| 03:18.33 | dotCOMmie | abrotman: or apache.. soon something else will also hit the same problem |
| 03:18.33 | abrotman | dotCOMmie: and there are enough kernel vulns .. that you probably have to go more often than every two years |
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| 03:18.43 | Swat2 | beefcake:~# apt-cache search xorg |
| 03:18.43 | Swat2 | beefcake:~# |
| 03:18.45 | Swat2 | :/ |
| 03:18.56 | abrotman | Swat2: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 03:19.04 | dotCOMmie | abrotman: I wish I could reload kernel on a running system |
| 03:19.11 | stew | Swat2: what version of debian are you running? |
| 03:19.17 | peterS | dotCOMmie: oh hrrrm - according to the bug log, the etch version of mysql-server-5.0 works fine on 2.4 kernels, it is only the post-etch version that fails. so there you go. |
| 03:19.17 | Swat2 | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 03:19.28 | stew | Swat2: for sarge, use x-window-system-core instead of xor |
| 03:19.29 | abrotman | Swat2: ah okay .. |
| 03:19.30 | stew | xorg |
| 03:19.35 | peterS | dotCOMmie: since we don't support 2.4 kernels at all, post-etch, that's pretty much that |
| 03:19.35 | abrotman | Swat2: aptitude install gnome x-window-system |
| 03:19.41 | Swat2 | cheers :) |
| 03:19.49 | dotCOMmie | peterS: I'll buy that |
| 03:19.58 | dotCOMmie | I guess I'll have to upgrade |
| 03:20.07 | dotCOMmie | there goes my 700 day uptime ): |
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| 03:20.37 | abrotman | dotCOMmie: do you subscribe to the security.debian.org stuff ? |
| 03:20.45 | abrotman | dotCOMmie: do you even run a debian kernel? |
| 03:20.49 | Sweetandy | Off-Topic and not necessarily welcome: There are such noobs in #ubuntu. GASDF |
| 03:20.57 | peterS | dotCOMmie: hmmm - reading further down the bug log - the etch version _installs_ ok on a 2.4 kernel, but doesn't _work_ properly. |
| 03:21.02 | abrotman | Sweetandy: so don't tell us ? |
| 03:21.03 | CompWizrd | some people value uptime over security *shrug* |
| 03:21.17 | Sweetandy | abrotman: I was uncontrollably compelled to... my deepest apologies. |
| 03:21.25 | dotCOMmie | abrotman: This is the only machine on which I use a debian kernel.. |
| 03:21.51 | abrotman | dotCOMmie: i'm pretty sure that the 2.4 series in sarge has had an update in the last two years |
| 03:21.52 | xjkx | is lazarus PASCAL in apt-get of debian? in ubuntu theres a lazarus which is not the pascal thing ;o |
| 03:22.20 | dotCOMmie | abrotman: I'm sure of that I havent had a scheduled reboot for about 3 years |
| 03:22.28 | abrotman | xjkx: apt-cache search pascal |
| 03:22.42 | xjkx | abrotman: i am not in debian |
| 03:22.42 | abrotman | dotCOMmie: that's not what i said :) |
| 03:22.48 | abrotman | packages.debian.org ? |
| 03:22.58 | abrotman | i don't see lazarus |
| 03:22.58 | xjkx | my search (on ubuntu) returns a lazarus that is not the pascal editor |
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| 03:23.21 | tuv | i managed to use latex computer-modern-roman font in gnuplot, but the - (negative) sign looks like a dash rather than a negative sign. anyone knows a fix? |
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| 03:23.41 | xjkx | lazarus might have been overwritted by another one |
| 03:23.48 | dotCOMmie | abrotman: I'll try to upgrade kernel next week.. We'll see what happends d: |
| 03:23.48 | abrotman | tuv: does it look like - or - ? |
| 03:23.54 | xjkx | dont you know another graphical pascal maker? |
| 03:24.05 | dotCOMmie | Untill then mysql will be dead |
| 03:24.07 | abrotman | pascal is a programming language |
| 03:24.23 | peterS | xjkx: I don't see lazarus in debian stable. it exists in testing/unstable, though. |
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| 03:24.44 | peterS | (and yes, it is the pascal editor) |
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| 03:25.03 | tuv | abrotman, a math. negative sign is a bit thinner and noticably longer than a dash. it looks like a dash |
| 03:25.21 | abrotman | tuv: looked like a minus sign to me :) |
| 03:25.32 | abrotman | tuv: i'll stop messing with you now :) |
| 03:25.42 | tuv | abrotman, well.. i wish i'm going to publish using IRC :) |
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| 03:26.05 | peterS | hyphen, minus, em dash - three different glyphs, and yes, I understand why you want the one you want, and no, I have no idea how to tell gnuplot which one to use |
| 03:26.08 | tuv | s/i'm/i was |
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| 03:29.13 | De_Mon | aside from quicktime and flash, what the other popular multimedia web tech? |
| 03:29.41 | Heston | java |
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| 03:30.19 | abrotman | De_Mon: or ask #web |
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| 03:46.24 | unlink | is it possible to have a hostname with multibyte characters? |
| 03:47.19 | dondelelcaro | unlink: it should be now, but I wouldn't suggest it |
| 03:47.25 | unlink | why not? |
| 03:47.31 | peterS | unlink: I haven't tried it, but I'm guessing it would cause problems with DNS, since probably not all system functions use IDN |
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| 03:49.25 | peterS | libc /lib/libnss_dns.so.2, which is probably what matters here, does not use IDN |
| 03:49.33 | dondelelcaro | unlink: the number of things that use hostname and may not be capable of handling utf8 or whatever is probably large; unless you have a real compelling reason to do so, I'd suggest not using it |
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| 03:50.42 | dondelelcaro | (you can always make a cname that points at your machine0 |
| 03:50.56 | unlink | right |
| 03:52.16 | unlink | well, it seems moot anyhow, since xterm/gnome-terminal won't start with a hostname with mbyte chars |
| 03:52.52 | peterS | oh, nifty |
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| 03:53.36 | unlink | or anything graphical seemingly |
| 03:53.51 | unlink | (iceweasel, gvim, nautilus, sylpheed, vlc) |
| 03:54.36 | lkthomas | guys |
| 03:54.56 | lkthomas | is there have any program that allows me to check which ip is overloading our server ? |
| 03:57.27 | JW | tcpdump? |
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| 03:57.43 | JW | Yggdrasil - wow |
| 03:57.47 | Yggdrasil | hello, whats the cmd to see what process is using a drive, losf if i ral ? |
| 03:58.00 | Yggdrasil | aye i am the tree, not the distro and not the spaceship |
| 03:58.27 | JW | Ah - I was thinking distro :-) |
| 03:58.35 | JW | anyway - how about lsof? |
| 03:58.36 | Yggdrasil | mhmm |
| 03:58.39 | Yggdrasil | lsof |
| 03:58.41 | Yggdrasil | thats it thanks |
| 03:58.41 | peterS | lsof is the usual way, yes |
| 03:58.42 | Yggdrasil | haha |
| 03:58.42 | JW | and grep for the mount point |
| 03:59.10 | Yggdrasil | jw thanks |
| 03:59.19 | Yggdrasil | you are familiar with the tree at all ? |
| 03:59.20 | JW | sure. |
| 03:59.26 | JW | No, I was just looking it up. |
| 03:59.34 | Yggdrasil | mhmm i htink youll be surprised |
| 03:59.38 | JW | Didn't know Norse mythology belived in 9 worlds. |
| 03:59.39 | Yggdrasil | perhap even say wow |
| 03:59.42 | peterS | you're sure you aren't Free Software for the Rest of Us? |
| 03:59.49 | Yggdrasil | peters, |
| 04:00.06 | Yggdrasil | yes, i became self away october 19th 2003 |
| 04:00.33 | benje | hello the netboot image for ia64 is invalid :/ |
| 04:00.33 | Yggdrasil | uh aware even |
| 04:00.45 | benje | the kernel image |
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| 04:01.13 | benje | and why there two kind amd64 an ia64 ? |
| 04:01.30 | peterS | benje: because there are two CPU types, amd64 and ia64. there are actually 9 other CPU types supported in Debian too |
| 04:01.59 | peterS | benje: if you have an ia64 machine (i.e., you paid at least $3000 and it isn't all that fast), you want ia64, if you have an x86-64 machine, you want amd64 |
| 04:02.01 | benje | peterS, i know but for xeon elilo doen't work |
| 04:02.10 | benje | yes dell 1800 |
| 04:02.17 | peterS | it's probably amd64 then |
| 04:02.27 | benje | xeon cpu |
| 04:02.32 | peterS | right. Intel is in the AMD clone business now, that tends to confuse people |
| 04:02.44 | benje | and the ia64 doesn't work i have just try now |
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| 04:02.56 | peterS | if you had an Itanium architecture machine, you'd know it |
| 04:03.10 | benje | no i doesn't think :) |
| 04:03.25 | benje | so i get amd64 for xeon ? |
| 04:03.37 | peterS | yes |
| 04:03.41 | benje | thanks |
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| 04:11.59 | rdz | how can i find the biggest file withing a directory recursively? |
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| 04:12.22 | rdz | and also by checking hidden directories/files |
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| 04:17.25 | DawnLight | does anyone know how to configure the bootsplash-debian-theme? debconfing it doesn't seem to be enough for it to be set up |
| 04:17.30 | Sweetandy | Anybody have any suggestions for simple Wiki software such as WikiWikiWeb? |
| 04:18.16 | DawnLight | there are wikis for specific purposes, Sweetandy |
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| 04:20.18 | peterS | isn't most of the world using mediawiki, moinmoin or ikiwiki by now? |
| 04:21.08 | rdz | how can i find the biggest file within a directory recursively? |
| 04:21.12 | Swat2 | random question numner 1999: Is it possible to setup xwindows etc remotely via ssh and then be able to either use XDMCP or vnc to finish the rest off? |
| 04:21.15 | peterS | well, except me, I follow a vigorous policy of "the best wiki is no wiki" |
| 04:21.46 | peterS | Swat2: what "the rest" are you talking about? you can set up anything in debian without a local GUI |
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| 04:22.06 | Swat2 | peterS: well, i need to get xwindows running and working |
| 04:22.19 | Swat2 | then i need to be able to remotely get on to xwindows so i can install vmware :/ |
| 04:22.28 | peterS | you can do that from ssh, yes. it's just a matter of installing packages and answering configuration questions |
| 04:22.34 | peterS | as for vmware, I don't know what its installer requires.... |
| 04:22.50 | peterS | but you don't need to set up an X server on your remote machine in order to run X clients |
| 04:23.15 | Swat2 | you dont? |
| 04:23.16 | peterS | if you install 'xbase-clients' on both ends, and run an X server on your local end, you can use 'ssh -X' to do anything X-related |
| 04:23.31 | peterS | (xbase-clients is required for the 'xauth' program, which ssh needs to run at each end) |
| 04:23.54 | peterS | well, and on the remote end you need /etc/ssh/sshd_config to say "X11Forwarding yes" in it somewhere |
| 04:25.40 | Swat2 | mmm my problem is i only have access to windows at the remote location |
| 04:26.25 | peterS | you can run an X server in windows. I guess one is available from cygwin and/or x.org, not that I've tried it. back in the xfree86 days you could install xfree86 via cygwin. |
| 04:27.03 | peterS | or, I dunno, if VNC is easier for you, I guess you could go that route. I don't know which ends up being less trouble, between installing stuff on Windows and installing VNC + X on Debian |
| 04:29.04 | Swat2 | mm |
| 04:29.12 | Swat2 | i dont know much about vnc on linux :/ |
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| 04:29.46 | peterS | nor do I, actually. I've only really used it to access windows machines a few thousand km away, not unix machines |
| 04:29.50 | peterS | for unix machines I just use X |
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| 04:30.12 | chemaja | is it just me or does QEMU not support VMware 2GB-split disks? |
| 04:30.30 | ^TangoDev^ | hallo why ERROR 17 occurs in GRUB booting ?? |
| 04:30.57 | ^TangoDev^ | i seen there is the root(hd0,0) is anyhow ommited |
| 04:31.08 | ^TangoDev^ | is may be the reason ? |
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| 04:32.12 | NetGangsta_ | hi how can I rename a file.to to file.lol on linux? |
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| 04:32.24 | Alam_Debian | mv file.to file.lol |
| 04:32.32 | Swat2 | peterS: do you know what ports need to be open for xmdcp/xauth etc.. ? |
| 04:32.48 | ^TangoDev^ | hallo why ERROR 17 occurs in GRUB booting ?? |
| 04:32.53 | ^TangoDev^ | i seen there is the root(hd0,0) is anyhow ommited |
| 04:32.53 | ^TangoDev^ | hallo why ERROR 17 occurs in GRUB booting ?? |
| 04:32.59 | ^TangoDev^ | is may be the reason ? |
| 04:33.35 | peterS | Swat2: well, if you're just using ssh -X, all you need is port 22, everything else is contained in that. XDMCP uses TCP 177, I think, but if you're doing this over VNC, all you really care about is the VNC port, which I don't know offhand |
| 04:34.04 | Alam_Debian | 5900 |
| 04:34.13 | peterS | 5900, right |
| 04:34.23 | Alam_Debian | but it would be better to tunnel TCP 5900 thur SSH |
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| 04:35.37 | chops | Hey all |
| 04:35.42 | chops | I have an odd samba problem |
| 04:35.44 | peterS | if you're doing raw X without any tunneling, that would be TCP 6000, but we generally recommend ssh -X instead |
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| 04:36.42 | chops | I'm using samba as my WINS server, setting "wins support = yes", "dns proxy = yes", and "name resolve order = host". |
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| 04:37.04 | chops | And yet 'nmblookup -U localhost breakout' returns no results, even though 'dig @localhost breakout' does return results. |
| 04:37.34 | chops | This configuration used to work, and then our organization's Information Technology Professionals got turned loose on it, and now it doesn't. |
| 04:37.43 | chops | Does anyone have any ideas what could be wrong? |
| 04:37.57 | chops | The /etc/resolv.conf file contains only 127.0.0.1. |
| 04:38.00 | Swat2 | peterS: I got x-win32 program and it allows me to connect via ssh etc.. but it's asking for a command? what do i type? |
| 04:38.15 | chops | I am using dnsmasq for name resolution, if that matters at all. |
| 04:38.15 | peterS | Swat2: I dunno, try xterm |
| 04:38.30 | peterS | assuming you have xterm installed on your debian machine |
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| 04:39.09 | peterS | chops: do you mean nmblookup -r -U localhost? |
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| 04:39.19 | peterS | I'm assuming you're trying to query a local wins server? |
| 04:39.53 | peterS | chops: errr, I mean -R, I should have looked it up first (haven't used nmblookup in years) |
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| 04:40.18 | chops | peterS: Ah, yes, it is -R. Thanks. |
| 04:40.31 | peterS | does that work, then? |
| 04:40.38 | chops | peterS: That one works (I didn't remember that I needed an extra parameter). |
| 04:40.53 | chops | peterS: ... and I do get an IP address for breakout from the WINS server. |
| 04:40.58 | peterS | yeah - I think -U should imply -R, you almost always want to use them together - but whatever |
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| 04:41.26 | chops | Sigh. Now my only task is to figure out what our Information Technology Professionals did to the Windows server to make it stop understanding hostnames from my Debian machine... thanks Peters. |
| 04:41.30 | foo | hm, /w 24 |
| 04:43.25 | DawnLight | in the http://www.bootsplash.org/Downloads i don't see a version for 2.6.18. why is that? do i have to upgrade my kernel? |
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| 04:44.22 | lfs | seek=BLOCKS |
| 04:44.22 | lfs | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:44.32 | lfs | What is an obs-sized block? |
| 04:44.47 | peterS | lfs: obs defaults to 512, same as ibs and bs. you can change it with obs=nnnnn |
| 04:45.05 | DawnLight | Official Block Standard |
| 04:45.08 | lfs | tks |
| 04:45.09 | peterS | lfs: it stands for 'block size for output' |
| 04:45.44 | NetGangsta_ | hi how can I rename a file.to to file.lol on linux? |
| 04:45.53 | peterS | NetGangsta_: mv |
| 04:45.59 | NetGangsta_ | ok good |
| 04:46.07 | asarch | NetGangsta_: mv file.to file.lol |
| 04:46.31 | DawnLight | doesn't it have to use -T? |
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| 04:46.57 | asarch | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:46.59 | peterS | DawnLight: eh? why? |
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| 04:47.24 | DawnLight | sometimes i missunderstand those manuals.. :P |
| 04:47.26 | peterS | that's only useful if file.lol is already a directory and you want an error message instead of just moving file.to inside it |
| 04:47.50 | DawnLight | oh nice |
| 04:47.58 | DawnLight | i like files |
| 04:48.12 | DawnLight | i like directories too |
| 04:48.21 | DawnLight | i like this whole thing |
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| 04:49.01 | peterS | I'm rather in favor of files and directories too |
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| 04:49.16 | peterS | systems like EROS that attempt to get rid of them don't turn me on |
| 04:49.20 | asarch | In Unix EVERYTHING is a file |
| 04:50.55 | DawnLight | even my monitor? |
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| 04:52.20 | maddash | feck, it doesn't work |
| 04:52.35 | asarch | DawnLight: Yeap |
| 04:52.47 | DawnLight | my dad counts flies for a living. something agriculture. anyway, he has this portable data terminal with a small screen and some keys, which he puts in the number of flies into |
| 04:53.45 | DawnLight | one day he came to me showing me that the thing doesn't work. it had ascii all over the three or four lines of the screen |
| 04:54.17 | DawnLight | so i started punching keys when i realized i was in cli |
| 04:54.55 | DawnLight | then i found the enter key and realized it was unix |
| 04:55.20 | DawnLight | so you see, in unix, even flies are files |
| 04:55.40 | DawnLight | i mean, especially flies are files |
| 04:55.45 | techrush | lol |
| 04:55.48 | DawnLight | lol |
| 04:56.24 | DawnLight | true story, though, couldn't make that one up |
| 04:56.31 | DawnLight | flies are files... |
| 04:56.41 | DawnLight | i'm saving this |
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| 04:57.48 | endra | hey |
| 04:57.53 | DawnLight | hey hey |
| 04:57.56 | endra | how do I enable this whole universe/multiverse thing |
| 04:58.01 | endra | DawnLight: how you doing |
| 04:58.13 | peterS | endra: universe/multiverse is a concept from Ubuntu, not Debian |
| 04:58.18 | peterS | endra: maybe you want #ubuntu? |
| 04:58.25 | endra | peterS: oh. no, I'm using debian |
| 04:58.27 | DawnLight | tired, man, how are you |
| 04:58.38 | endra | I want to get this ipodvidenc script to work |
| 04:58.51 | Swat2 | peters: i got tightvnc working, just dont know how to get it to listen on the session as what the gdm etc runs on or what the console sees, any ideas? |
| 04:58.52 | peterS | endra: then what you think of as 'universe' is already on your system, I guess - the Debian archive. I don't know what Ubuntu multiverse is |
| 04:58.57 | endra | It is from a ubuntu faq though so.. meh |
| 04:59.07 | endra | DawnLight: i'm great, trying to get a few things working |
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| 05:00.22 | peterS | Swat2: wait, you're running X-Win, what need do you have for VNC at all? |
| 05:01.03 | DawnLight | aren't we all |
| 05:01.06 | chops | peterS: universe is main, multiverse is non-free, basically |
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| 05:02.12 | DawnLight | so if i'm upgrading my kernel now, which shall i choose? 20? 21? |
| 05:02.22 | endra | where can I put a bash script accessible by all users? /usr/local/bin ? |
| 05:02.39 | peterS | DawnLight: last I checked, debian has 2.6.20 packages in unstable, but not 2.6.21, so I'd go with what's provided if I were you |
| 05:02.45 | peterS | endra: that works |
| 05:02.49 | endra | .. or where would be the 'correct' place to place it |
| 05:03.02 | peterS | that's the correct place |
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| 05:03.06 | endra | okay, thanks |
| 05:03.07 | DawnLight | will do |
| 05:04.07 | endra | Now I get 'unknown codec: aac' |
| 05:04.52 | DawnLight | dalia:/home/dawnlight# aptitude |
| 05:04.52 | DawnLight | Ouch! Got SIGSEGV, dying.. |
| 05:04.52 | DawnLight | Segmentation fault |
| 05:05.19 | endra | I can't locate the correct AAC codec with aptitude search |
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| 05:06.02 | DawnLight | endra: is this an audio codec for an audio player? |
| 05:06.12 | endra | DawnLight: for ffmpeg |
| 05:06.18 | DawnLight | what is this message i got btw? |
| 05:07.01 | endra | Its an invalid memory location problem afaik (sigsegv) |
| 05:07.05 | DawnLight | endra: i use mplayer. with the binary_codec. it played everything i asked of it |
| 05:07.07 | peterS | the biggest cause for segfaults in apt tools, in my experience, is corrupt package cache files. rm /var/cache/apt/*.bin and try again. (it will regenerate those files) |
| 05:07.59 | DawnLight | rm: cannot remove `/var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin': Permission denied |
| 05:08.16 | Guerin | DawnLight: be root |
| 05:08.20 | DawnLight | is there another aptitude somewhere around here...? |
| 05:08.26 | Guerin | no |
| 05:08.51 | peterS | DawnLight: yeah you have to run 'rm' as root. you often want to run aptitude as root, too, though this is only required if you want to actually make changes |
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| 05:09.21 | peterS | (i.e., you want to install, remove, upgrade or downgrade stuff. you can run aptitude without being root, if all you want to do is browse packages and play its minesweeper game.) |
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| 05:09.25 | DawnLight | oh i am...oh common |
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| 05:09.57 | DawnLight | jok it worked |
| 05:10.10 | DawnLight | what would i have done without you guys |
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| 05:11.41 | peterS | it is amazing how the same simple answer ("your cache files might be corrupt") works so often. |
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| 05:12.01 | jzxu | what the hell is with this obsession of these dockapp developers with LEDs? |
| 05:12.30 | jzxu | every other dockapp looks like an LED display |
| 05:12.36 | jzxu | they're impossible to read |
| 05:12.43 | peterS | better than simulating fluorescent light signs |
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| 05:13.17 | jzxu | I think this whole thing about emulating real world objects in computer interfaces has got to stop |
| 05:13.30 | peterS | agreed. we have fancy fonts that are easy to read, why not actually ... _use_ them |
| 05:14.10 | peterS | the original decision way back in the 70s to make a mouse cursor look like an arrow instead of, you know, looking like a real mouse - that was a stroke of genius, even if they didn't know it at the time |
| 05:14.22 | jzxu | hahaha |
| 05:16.10 | DawnLight | how is it that after changing sources.list to unstable the build-essential doesn't have an upgrade? |
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| 05:16.11 | peterS | DawnLight: build-essential is just a list of packages. that list hasn't changed since stable. the packages themselves have changed, but the set of package names hasn't |
| 05:16.14 | DawnLight | shouldn't it be? |
| 05:16.30 | peterS | no, the list is the same as ever. gcc, g++, make, dpkg-dev, libc6-dev |
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| 05:16.38 | peterS | if you want to upgrade those, feel free |
| 05:16.43 | simonrvn | why would it change? |
| 05:17.09 | simonrvn | it's just to make it easy to pull in various deps, nothing more. |
| 05:17.10 | peterS | though note that upgrading gcc may not do what you want, as the meat of that package is actually in "gcc-4.1" |
| 05:17.12 | DawnLight | wow, so many upgrades in unstable... tempting |
| 05:17.23 | peterS | (likewise g++ and g++-4.1) |
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| 05:19.00 | scx | Konnichiwa |
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| 05:19.13 | DawnLight | konnichiwa |
| 05:19.18 | simonrvn | kwe kwe |
| 05:19.33 | DawnLight | shalom |
| 05:20.18 | peterS | mbote na bino |
| 05:20.48 | sgeigerbot | Guten Tag. |
| 05:20.50 | stew | bonan postnoktomezon |
| 05:21.29 | peterS | esperanto? |
| 05:21.35 | stew | jes |
| 05:21.41 | sgeigerbot | hey |
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| 05:22.54 | scx | peterS: Czech? |
| 05:23.10 | peterS | scx: lingala. |
| 05:23.23 | scx | ^^ |
| 05:24.25 | alleyoopster | good morning |
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| 05:34.38 | DawnLight | well the kernel works :) |
| 05:36.52 | DawnLight | since i am going to compile me a kernel for bootsplash and i'm going to compile the nvidia driver, i was thinking: if i compile the nvidia now, will i be able to use that after i compile the kernel for bootsplash? |
| 05:37.16 | DawnLight | my hunches tell me to compile the kernel first |
| 05:37.56 | DawnLight | wake up peeps |
| 05:38.07 | DawnLight | i'll go with my hunches |
| 05:38.34 | scx | DawnLight: compile first |
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| 05:40.04 | DawnLight | hope this goes well. first time to compile a kernel |
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| 05:41.12 | intruder | is it a problem is an ext3 partition is labeled W95 FAT32(LBA) in cfdisk ?, can i just change the type with cfdisk without any data loss/corruption ? |
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| 05:41.21 | intruder | 2nd is = if |
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| 05:41.54 | scx | intruder: You can but do it with care |
| 05:42.13 | scx | intruder: and don't forget to umount reboot mount |
| 05:42.14 | Nemoder | I would think changing the type would destroy anything in that partition |
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| 05:42.42 | scx | Nemoder: Yes, if you tell the partition is something it is not |
| 05:42.49 | intruder | scx: but is it a problem if the label is wrong ? |
| 05:42.58 | scx | so unless you are REALLY sure don't do it |
| 05:43.35 | intruder | in fact, the partition is a mountable and usable ext3, and is only labelled W95 FAT32 in cfdisk |
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| 05:43.41 | Nemoder | why would cfdisk report it wrong? I assume it's reading the table and not just the volume label |
| 05:44.15 | intruder | Nemoder: it was first formatted fat32, then i just mkfs.ext3 over it, and the label didnt changed |
| 05:44.25 | scx | intruder: Well I recently delete a partition that system told me was mounted but I didn't believe it, formated and afterthat realized that it was me who was in a mistake and delete whole / |
| 05:44.31 | daya | how do I allow active ftp connection from the client behind the Natted server, |
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| 05:45.09 | Nemoder | intruder: are you sure it is mounting as ext3? |
| 05:45.17 | intruder | Nemoder: yep |
| 05:45.18 | scx | intruder: That just to say something: If the system sais something it is probable that it is right, check why it sais that before you change something |
| 05:45.20 | federicocamilo | Hello, I'm going to be using a dedicated server to host a website. This server has debian installed. What guidelines should i follow to make sure i don't get into any trouble security wise. I was planning to keep my software updated implement a horribly restrictive firewall using ipchains and make sure permissions are set correctly and watch the logs. Am i on the right track? is there anything else you would like to recomend? (th |
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| 05:45.34 | DawnLight | how do i list the groups i am in? |
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| 05:45.43 | scx | intruder: bad bad |
| 05:45.50 | intruder | scx: it says that because it was first formatted in this type (fat32) |
| 05:45.52 | purplepenguins | I am considering switching to debian, but I don't have the time to migrate everything |
| 05:45.54 | scx | intruder: you change the label and after that you format |
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| 05:46.08 | purplepenguins | and get my configuration the way I like it |
| 05:46.15 | DawnLight | debian is da bomb, purplepenguin |
| 05:46.26 | scx | intruder: change the label format it and reboot, it'll be better |
| 05:46.28 | purplepenguins | I used it back in the sarge testing days |
| 05:46.30 | intruder | well usually the formatting process changes the label no ? |
| 05:46.41 | purplepenguins | I've been on gentoo for a while and enjoying it but I've grown bored |
| 05:46.49 | Nemoder | federicocamilo: http://www.debian.org/security/ |
| 05:46.51 | scx | intruder: no |
| 05:46.54 | purplepenguins | also tired of the compiling rigamarole |
| 05:46.59 | intruder | ill try just changing the type |
| 05:47.01 | federicocamilo | cool thanx |
| 05:47.08 | purplepenguins | so I want to try debian again but it'll take forever to get everything working |
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| 05:47.15 | purplepenguins | the way I like |
| 05:47.17 | scx | intruder: do it again 'cause system could get corrupteds |
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| 05:47.35 | basanta | i run debian/etch kde but I have a gtk based gui installer, which is working in kde but the font (devanagari) is not rendered, what package do I need to install |
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| 05:47.43 | scx | necios... |
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| 05:47.58 | Nemoder | intruder: I would highly recommend backing up any important data elsewhere before doing that |
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| 05:48.16 | intruder | i've noticed something weird about this |
| 05:48.37 | scx | intruder: http://www.doingitwrong.com/wrong/2818_aXX13X.jpg |
| 05:48.43 | zenwryly | Is there some sort of system wide setting `for the default browser? |
| 05:48.44 | intruder | when i first created another partition and labeled 83 Linux before formatting ext3 |
| 05:48.51 | intruder | the label in cfdisk changes for Linux ext3 |
| 05:49.07 | intruder | and this kind of label is not availabe in the type list |
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| 05:49.29 | scx | you'r doing it wrong! |
| 05:49.30 | purplepenguins | I'd really just like a computer to mess around with debian that isn't my main comp |
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| 05:49.38 | intruder | well, ok, labelling first is mandatory |
| 05:49.42 | purplepenguins | my server is lacking components though |
| 05:50.22 | DawnLight | purplepenguins: either migrate now in grace or later out of pain |
| 05:50.35 | purplepenguins | out of pain? |
| 05:50.50 | DawnLight | well, not physical |
| 05:51.04 | Nemoder | zenwryly: update-alternatives --config www-browser |
| 05:51.08 | purplepenguins | it's not really that I dislike gentoo, just that I'm bored with it |
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| 05:52.00 | Nemoder | zenwryly: or update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 05:52.07 | DawnLight | bored with gentoo.. huh. i wish i was there. migrated to linux a couple months ago |
| 05:52.13 | zenwryly | Nemoder: awesome, thanks |
| 05:52.30 | purplepenguins | gentoo does things differently in many ways |
| 05:52.51 | purplepenguins | but it's essentially the same deep down |
| 05:53.02 | purplepenguins | except for a few things |
| 05:53.23 | Nemoder | purplepenguins: is this for a desktop system or server? |
| 05:53.24 | purplepenguins | I don't entirely get the debian way of doing initscripts |
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| 05:53.39 | purplepenguins | It's my desktop system which is also a server |
| 05:54.03 | purplepenguins | not a "real" server, but it runs torrents and such |
| 05:54.30 | Nemoder | ah, well as long as the software versions aren't too different you may be able to get away with copying over most of your ~/.* files to keep your user settings the same |
| 05:54.32 | purplepenguins | I'm scraping together another box for a server |
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| 05:55.05 | Nemoder | setting up the core system in debian doesn't take long at all really |
| 05:55.06 | purplepenguins | it's mostly finished except it lacks RAM and a hard drive |
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| 05:55.31 | purplepenguins | my problem is finding all the apps I have installed and getting their debian equivalents configured |
| 05:55.38 | intruder | scx: hehe, i changed the type to 83 Linux and rewrote the table without unmounting the partition and i just rebooted and now it is labelle Linux ext3 |
| 05:55.44 | intruder | without any loss |
| 05:55.52 | intruder | pretty great |
| 05:56.02 | scx | :| |
| 05:56.11 | purplepenguins | apps that I use regularly would be easily set up |
| 05:56.20 | intruder | even if i do it all wrong it works! |
| 05:56.26 | intruder | :) |
| 05:56.32 | Nemoder | just install apps as you need them, you don't have to wait for them to compile with debian :) |
| 05:56.34 | purplepenguins | pidgin, rtorrent, firefox, irssi |
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| 05:57.12 | purplepenguins | I wonder how debian and gentoo compare on speed |
| 05:57.13 | Guerin | purplepenguins: those packages are *all* trivial to install in debian |
| 05:57.17 | jzxu | gaim became pidgin? when did this happen? |
| 05:57.22 | Guerin | !gentoosmite purplepenguins |
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| 05:57.41 | purplepenguins | I compared gentoo and kubuntu on KDE and it always felt like kubuntu was slower |
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| 05:57.53 | Nemoder | jzxu: when they finally settled with AOL's lawyers |
| 05:57.54 | purplepenguins | that is just KDE though, which I don't use anymore |
| 05:58.01 | purplepenguins | going lightweight |
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| 05:58.46 | purplepenguins | I want to try out root partition encryption too |
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| 05:59.00 | DawnLight | what are all of these /usr/src/linux-OLDVERSION.1178765286 ? |
| 05:59.23 | purplepenguins | on my not-too-far-in-the-future laptop |
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| 05:59.31 | purplepenguins | which will run debian |
| 06:01.11 | Nemoder | purplepenguins: if you're curious about init scripts you may want to read the manpage for debian's update-rc.d |
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| 06:11.11 | DawnLight | debian makes me want to program scripts to make things easier and more comfortable |
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| 06:11.43 | kairu0 | DawnLight, now thats motivation! |
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| 06:14.39 | scx | DawnLight: Debian just makes my head spin |
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| 06:15.51 | DawnLight | i guess thats explains the logo |
| 06:16.21 | Swat2 | lol |
| 06:16.27 | DawnLight | i wonder if my box can build linux and irc at the same time |
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| 06:18.01 | regulate_ | the question is not whether it can, because it can, but how long it will take |
| 06:18.36 | DawnLight | i've been lazy to check the documentation, i know, but can anyone tell me, in vim, how do i save the current file? i've been typing :save FULLPATH all this time |
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| 06:19.21 | salviadud | hi guys |
| 06:19.24 | salviadud | i'm installing |
| 06:19.25 | scx | DawnLight: Ctrl + z && emacs |
| 06:19.38 | salviadud | and i just got to the part, where i add options to gcc |
| 06:19.45 | salviadud | i dunno what flags to put in |
| 06:19.50 | salviadud | i've searched google |
| 06:19.55 | salviadud | no luck... |
| 06:20.13 | scx | DawnLight: or ESC : wq |
| 06:21.17 | DawnLight | wonder what wq stands for.... probebly nothing, just comfy |
| 06:22.50 | DawnLight | salviadud dude, i don't know what you are talking about but i'm sure someone would wake up here and help you |
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| 06:25.23 | dimir | Moin! |
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| 06:25.27 | scx | write quit |
| 06:25.29 | ederaam | Hi! |
| 06:25.33 | scx | wq |
| 06:25.34 | ederaam | I hava a problem |
| 06:26.10 | ederaam | with sarge to etch I have this problem |
| 06:26.12 | ederaam | http://rafb.net/p/M9K92021.html |
| 06:26.24 | JosefAssad | DawnLight: "write" for w and "quit" for q. Mnemonics. |
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| 06:26.41 | ederaam | I am searchin about this two packaages but I dont now :( |
| 06:26.44 | DawnLight | whats wrong with this: tar -xzf bootsplash-3.1.6-2.6.20.diff.gz and why is it like this in the debian wiki? |
| 06:26.51 | scx | JosefAssad: no mnemonics, simple weed smooking |
| 06:27.08 | formorer | DawnLight: its wrong, use only gunzip |
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| 06:27.12 | formorer | DawnLight: you are free to fix it |
| 06:27.34 | DawnLight | gunzip bootsplash-3.1.6-2.6.20.diff.gz ? |
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| 06:28.27 | Falkom | hi, do you know if exist any tuning debian manual, please? |
| 06:29.15 | DawnLight | check the wiki maybe, Falkom |
| 06:29.26 | DawnLight | formorer, gunzip bootsplash-3.1.6-2.6.20.diff.gz ? |
| 06:29.38 | JosefAssad | scx: I once had to teach a class of 14 where the average age was 45 and the average computer literacy was "umm, how do you use this mouse thing" to use linux. mnemonics like those are incredibly intuitive, as is in fact the modal editing way |
| 06:29.40 | streuner_ | "Switching-Debian-like-Gentoo-HOWTO" ? ;-) |
| 06:29.42 | formorer | DawnLight: yes |
| 06:30.02 | DawnLight | do i have to register to edit the debian wiki? |
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| 06:30.45 | streuner_ | !ubuntusmite Falkom |
| 06:30.58 | streuner_ | !gentoosmite Falkom |
| 06:31.00 | Falkom | thx |
| 06:31.20 | streuner_ | Falkom: "tuning" in which way, speed? |
| 06:31.36 | Falkom | I refer manage resource like memory or others, I have a problems to identificate a crash problem |
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| 06:33.22 | DawnLight | i don't understand this part of the linux building process: "cp /boot/config-2.6.20-1-686 .config" what does this copy, where and why? |
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| 06:33.56 | formorer | DawnLight: it copies the config of the actual running kernel to your kernel tree |
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| 06:34.45 | DawnLight | and if my running kernel wasn't 2.6.20, formorer? |
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| 06:35.15 | formorer | DawnLight: then you can use the config of the running kernel |
| 06:36.42 | peterS | wait ... is someone building a kernel without knowing what a .config file is? ph34r.... |
| 06:36.59 | DawnLight | what is this: make menuconfig |
| 06:37.00 | DawnLight | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here add the bootsplash option, also add / remove modules if necessary. |
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| 06:37.04 | peterS | I mean, that seems rather pointless |
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| 06:37.28 | DawnLight | i am not someone |
| 06:37.48 | DawnLight | and the point is bootsplash |
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| 06:37.57 | Guerin | bootsplash is pointless |
| 06:38.07 | DawnLight | hey you are stepping on my point |
| 06:38.19 | formorer | I don't care about bootsplash and not everything in the debian wiki is officially debian, hey - its a wiki - you are free to fix it |
| 06:38.24 | peterS | the point is, building a kernel without knowing even basic things about kernel configuration is unlikely to end well |
| 06:38.27 | Guerin | DawnLight: it doesn't matter, you're not someone, therefore you're not anyone, therefore you don't exist |
| 06:39.03 | DawnLight | good point |
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| 06:39.37 | DawnLight | common peterS, give me some good vibes here, i'm building a kernel |
| 06:39.39 | peterS | "This is a story about four people named Everbody, Somebody, Anybody and Nobody. There was a big job to be done and Everybody was asked to do it. Everybody thought Somebody would do it. Anybody could have done it, but Nobody did it....." |
| 06:39.51 | scx | well someone and anyone are not correlative |
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| 06:41.27 | scx | peterS: ^^ |
| 06:41.55 | dondelelcaro | surely somebody is a subset of anybody |
| 06:42.09 | JosefAssad | em, recompiling a kernel to get a bootsplash? |
| 06:42.17 | DawnLight | "make menuconfig" gave me nothing but errors :( |
| 06:42.29 | dondelelcaro | !tell DawnLight -about kp |
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| 06:43.02 | DawnLight | yes, josefAssad |
| 06:43.15 | DawnLight | how nice, thanks dondelelcaro |
| 06:43.29 | JosefAssad | DawnLight: when you want to change the wallpaper in gnome, do you alo recompile KDE? |
| 06:43.32 | Nemoder | hmm Nobody did it, but did he do a good job? |
| 06:43.36 | streuner_ | "Josef Stalin"? |
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| 06:43.45 | JosefAssad | streuner_: hardly. |
| 06:43.50 | streuner_ | oh |
| 06:43.56 | salviadud | is there a way to scroll back on BitchX? |
| 06:44.05 | JosefAssad | streuner_: Though I would have been had I stayed on ubuntu longer |
| 06:44.07 | DawnLight | josefAssad: wtf are you talking about |
| 06:44.09 | peterS | salviadud: if it's like most real IRC clients, the PgUp key |
| 06:44.15 | JosefAssad | salviadud: try pageup |
| 06:44.24 | salviadud | how about bitchx behind putty... |
| 06:44.30 | salviadud | sorry guys, hehe |
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| 06:47.18 | endra | what irc client do you guys mostly use |
| 06:47.29 | Supaplex | Irssi 0.8.10 (20051211) - http://irssi.org/ |
| 06:47.29 | endra | I'm stuck with KSIrc now |
| 06:47.53 | endra | irssi.. thats the text one? |
| 06:49.11 | DawnLight | ircII |
| 06:50.40 | Supaplex | yup. runs great in screen. |
| 06:52.09 | scx | wow my comuter is onfire |
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| 06:52.25 | salviadud | scx, really? |
| 06:52.55 | salviadud | you better get some gear dude |
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| 06:53.00 | salviadud | them computers can blow up |
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| 06:54.30 | scx | well there was smoke and smell like burn plastic... |
| 06:54.48 | DawnLight | wow |
| 06:55.02 | DawnLight | what did you do |
| 06:55.32 | DawnLight | okay, i will compile the kernel another day :) |
| 06:55.33 | scx | donno, lemme close this por site and I'll tell you |
| 06:56.04 | salviadud | was it running debian? |
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| 06:57.22 | scx | ah... it was a plug... |
| 06:58.53 | scx | well after rading about a guy that made his monitor explode, it is nothing |
| 06:59.08 | salviadud | i screwed up on the install, i halfway, and want to go back a couple of screens |
| 06:59.18 | salviadud | is it possible |
| 06:59.27 | salviadud | or is debian based on slackware? |
| 06:59.52 | Supaplex | debian is its own. |
| 07:00.01 | ederaam | this is a debian etch |
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| 07:00.44 | salviadud | you see, i can't go back on slack |
| 07:00.48 | salviadud | can't go back on debian |
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| 07:00.52 | salviadud | then, it |
| 07:00.53 | Supaplex | scx: heh a plug? is it a dell? ;) |
| 07:01.14 | Supaplex | salviadud: can you be anymore vague? What part of the install are you at? |
| 07:01.25 | omri | any1's got any experience setting up a netboot with debian? I want the debian to be the terminal server and I want a few thin clients netbooting; is there any howto around? |
| 07:01.38 | Supaplex | !pxe |
| 07:01.38 | dpkg | i guess pxe is a network boot protocol. http://syslinux.zytor.com/pxe.php, or see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/478 |
| 07:01.44 | omri | thanks |
| 07:02.02 | salviadud | sorry |
| 07:02.17 | salviadud | Supaplex i'm at the part that says "Debian configuration" |
| 07:02.25 | salviadud | i missed a screen |
| 07:02.28 | endra | irssi is weird, it has no nickname list lol |
| 07:02.29 | salviadud | so, i want to go back |
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| 07:02.34 | salviadud | something about X |
| 07:02.34 | Supaplex | endra: /names |
| 07:02.39 | JosefAssad | endra: /names |
| 07:02.43 | salviadud | i forgot to select the possible resolutions |
| 07:02.50 | salviadud | hit ok by mistake |
| 07:03.00 | Supaplex | salviadud: you can reconfigure X. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 07:03.06 | endra | http://f0rked.com/articles/irssi <-- good article, just read it |
| 07:03.13 | Supaplex | salviadud: did it install all the way yet? |
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| 07:03.27 | salviadud | no |
| 07:03.29 | Daveman | Supaplex :p |
| 07:03.35 | salviadud | i'm still going through the config |
| 07:04.07 | Supaplex | salviadud: you might have to answer all the x related questions before you can restart the x questions. |
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| 07:04.40 | Supaplex | Daveman: '''sup man? :) |
| 07:05.10 | Daveman | :) |
| 07:05.16 | salviadud | Supaplex if I reconfigure, I have to go through the same config screens, but just the X part, is that what you're saying? |
| 07:05.52 | Supaplex | yea. the dpkg-reconfigure commandline is if you already had a shell after installing everything. |
| 07:06.02 | Supaplex | which, doesn't really apply right now. |
| 07:06.35 | bobloblian | is there a webmin-like program in etch? |
| 07:06.43 | Supaplex | !webmin |
| 07:06.43 | dpkg | i heard webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
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| 07:07.22 | omri | heh |
| 07:07.25 | bobloblian | right, but is there a similar kind of tool that is more 'acceptable'? |
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| 07:07.49 | Supaplex | a shell prompt ;-D |
| 07:07.52 | streuner_ | $editor? |
| 07:07.54 | bobloblian | been googling, but not finding one |
| 07:08.12 | jzxu | if I have dri turned on, should I still see CPU usage go way up when I opaque-drag windows around? |
| 07:08.24 | streuner_ | well, there was "linuxconf" - its history too... |
| 07:08.33 | bobloblian | haha, sure, that works for me, but this box isn't for me ;) |
| 07:08.34 | Supaplex | yea, that's a relic |
| 07:08.44 | tarzeau | yast! yast! |
| 07:08.48 | endra | screen should have the ability to alias pids, like.. 'irssi' for 18212 |
| 07:08.50 | salviadud | i screwed up with bitchx |
| 07:08.55 | endra | Then you can do screen -r irssi |
| 07:08.59 | salviadud | Supaplex |
| 07:09.05 | scx | tarzeau: : |
| 07:09.08 | tarzeau | endra: #screen |
| 07:09.09 | salviadud | did you answer that last question? |
| 07:09.23 | salviadud | i um, got out the chan by accident |
| 07:09.24 | endra | tarzeau: just commenting :) |
| 07:09.35 | salviadud | when i reconfigure xorg |
| 07:09.44 | salviadud | do i get the same questions as in the config? |
| 07:09.53 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 07:09.54 | dpkg | hmm... qotd147 is <alcros> sorry, I was trying to read the guidelines |
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| 07:10.22 | omri | tarzeau, #screen is detached |
| 07:10.25 | Supaplex | salviadud: http://rafb.net/p/QnjZKu24.html |
| 07:10.56 | ctx144k | hello all |
| 07:10.57 | Supaplex | salviadud: pretty much, yes. |
| 07:11.18 | ctx144k | i want see under debian-etch how the postgres-database was build (via initdb) after installation |
| 07:11.48 | salviadud | Supaplex , thanx man :D |
| 07:12.09 | ctx144k | i wanna rebuild it with a iso8859-1 charset |
| 07:12.21 | Supaplex | ctx144k: apt-get source <package> will download the sources. the .diff is what debian has made changes on. the .tar.gz is the origional upstream release. |
| 07:12.39 | ctx144k | ok ill look for it |
| 07:12.40 | ctx144k | thx |
| 07:12.43 | Supaplex | ctx144k: hold up |
| 07:12.51 | omri | can I test netboot with vmware or something? |
| 07:12.54 | Supaplex | ctx144k: you want to make that the default charset for new databases? |
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| 07:13.06 | Supaplex | omri: vmware support pxe. |
| 07:13.11 | omri | cool; thanks |
| 07:13.12 | ctx144k | ok, that i have already via createdb |
| 07:13.27 | ctx144k | but i wanna change it for error-mesages in the client and the logfiles too |
| 07:13.33 | Supaplex | omri: well, more correctly, vmware-server provides pxe support in the guest nic. |
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| 07:13.54 | omri | how about that open source project; I forgot its name |
| 07:13.57 | omri | vmware-like ... |
| 07:14.23 | ctx144k | and in the postgresql.conf i founded the follow lines: |
| 07:14.24 | ctx144k | # These settings are initialized by initdb -- they might be changed |
| 07:14.24 | ctx144k | #lc_messages = 'de_DE.UTF-8' # locale for system error message |
| 07:14.28 | olspookishmagus | hello there... is there any guide somewhere on how to get Lenny installed directly from the netinst.iso? |
| 07:14.31 | Supaplex | ctx144k: if it's just a database specific thing, you can change template0 and/or template1 (I don't completely recall), and it'll affect all newly created databases. even schemas get copied if you created any. |
| 07:14.41 | endra | is there a reason why pidgin isn't in the repo? |
| 07:14.48 | ctx144k | so i think i can only change it via a new initdb |
| 07:14.50 | Supaplex | omri: qemu? |
| 07:14.55 | omri | yes; qemu |
| 07:14.58 | omri | does it support pxe? |
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| 07:15.14 | Supaplex | no idea. vmware-server is $0 now (not FOSS though) |
| 07:15.27 | omri | oh; I thought the server isn't free |
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| 07:15.31 | omri | thanks; I'll check |
| 07:15.32 | ctx144k | i mean the displayed error-messages, not the data in the database |
| 07:17.28 | Supaplex | ctx144k: I'm unfamilar with that teritory. English is my native tounge. |
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| 07:17.29 | omri | Supaplex, thanks alot for that article; worked like a charm :) |
| 07:17.46 | omri | now I have to figure out how to get something working there :) |
| 07:18.04 | omri | I got debian install running from netboot :] :) |
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| 07:21.06 | eshaase | so what does it mean when my system freezes and my hard disk starts clicking? |
| 07:21.16 | omri | that you'r hd is dying |
| 07:21.21 | omri | replace it asap |
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| 07:22.55 | DawnLight | MODPOST 1 modules |
| 07:22.55 | DawnLight | FATAL: modpost: GPL-incompatible module nvidia.ko uses GPL-only symbol 'paravirt_ops' |
| 07:23.10 | DawnLight | what is this? |
| 07:23.13 | DawnLight | hi omri |
| 07:23.19 | omri | hi :) |
| 07:24.22 | eshaase | i have two hard drives, what can i use to determine which hard drive is bad? |
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| 07:24.37 | omri | eshaase, check S.M.A.R.T |
| 07:24.48 | omri | if you can't, disconnect one of them |
| 07:25.26 | eshaase | whats S.M.A.R.T? |
| 07:25.33 | omri | google :) |
| 07:25.53 | RA3OR | got an error: http://paste.prco23.org/5805 - any idea why ? |
| 07:26.06 | RA3OR | broken pipe isnt connection reset ? |
| 07:26.27 | streuner_ | eshaase: smartmontools |
| 07:26.28 | omri | No space left on device |
| 07:26.32 | RA3OR | SMART tell when the hdd will die, aka lifespan of hard drive |
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| 07:26.45 | omri | you should enable SMART in your BIOS |
| 07:26.49 | omri | if not already enabled... |
| 07:26.55 | eshaase | is S.M.A.R.T. a linux app or what/ |
| 07:27.01 | omri | hd capability |
| 07:27.11 | eshaase | so how do i access it? |
| 07:27.16 | RA3OR | i got some acpi errors on both debian vmware stations |
| 07:27.18 | omri | streuner_ told you :) |
| 07:27.33 | omri | smartmontools |
| 07:27.56 | RA3OR | [omri] No space left on device ? for me? i enabled quotas |
| 07:28.04 | omri | RA3OR, check the message ... |
| 07:28.20 | omri | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libfreetype6_2.2.1-5_i386.deb (-- unpack): |
| 07:28.20 | omri | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:28.20 | omri | dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) |
| 07:28.30 | RA3OR | heh |
| 07:28.33 | omri | err; 3 lines :\ |
| 07:29.25 | salviadud | how do i start x? |
| 07:29.32 | formorer | omri: read |
| 07:29.33 | salviadud | startx don't work... |
| 07:29.33 | omri | see FAQ |
| 07:29.37 | salviadud | ok |
| 07:29.38 | salviadud | will do |
| 07:29.41 | salviadud | where is faq? |
| 07:29.45 | omri | topic ^^ |
| 07:29.47 | formorer | omri: what do you think "no space left on device" may mean? |
| 07:29.53 | salviadud | oh |
| 07:29.55 | salviadud | the msg part |
| 07:29.56 | salviadud | thanx |
| 07:30.07 | omri | formorer, that there's no space on device? quota? disk is full?... |
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| 07:30.15 | RA3OR | http://paste.prco23.org/5806 hehe filled it |
| 07:30.17 | kantor | how can I use my gameport with a joystick on my PCI c-media soundcard |
| 07:30.19 | formorer | omri: yeah :) |
| 07:30.30 | omri | what's the idea? :P |
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| 07:31.15 | RA3OR | man, was so close to finish, well, reboot, bigger hdd space |
| 07:31.45 | JosefAssad | no live-f1 in the sources? Heathens! |
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| 07:32.12 | omri | is there a PXE image (kernel, initrd) for thin X client? |
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| 07:34.32 | foo | I installed bind9 and set /etc/resolv.conf to be nameserver 127.0.0.1 ... it has been reported that some sites take 5-10 seconds to resolve ... anyway to speed this up? Hm |
| 07:34.35 | NefariousPrior | Does anyone know of a gui SFTP app? |
| 07:35.00 | RA3OR | lol got warn partition with mysql is too full |
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| 07:36.17 | omri | NefariousPrior, I use nautilus |
| 07:36.18 | streuner_ | are you using a separate partition for /var ? |
| 07:36.46 | omri | oh, sorry, not for SFTP, I use it for scp |
| 07:36.51 | Guerin | NefariousPrior: gftp |
| 07:36.56 | Guerin | omri: sftp is scp |
| 07:37.07 | streuner_ | clean the cache then (man apt-get - option clean, autoclean) |
| 07:37.12 | omri | hmm, weird. |
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| 07:39.17 | NefariousPrior | hmmm |
| 07:39.28 | RA3OR | how do i resize hda1 ? |
| 07:39.40 | RA3OR | cfdisk doesnt help me |
| 07:39.46 | omri | (g)parted |
| 07:39.57 | streuner_ | make a backup before that |
| 07:40.16 | Sazpaimon | it'd be nice if gzip had a progress bar or something |
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| 07:42.17 | Coweater | Sazpaimon: use -v |
| 07:42.23 | Sazpaimon | for one file? |
| 07:42.32 | RA3OR | backup? nah, on vmware |
| 07:42.34 | RA3OR | <-- learning |
| 07:43.02 | RA3OR | on the other hand, learn how-to backup |
| 07:43.03 | RA3OR | :D |
| 07:43.10 | streuner_ | so you are using windows actually? |
| 07:43.20 | omri | RA3OR, on vmware, just copy the disk image :P |
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| 07:44.21 | RA3OR | cant resize the image from vmware |
| 07:44.22 | RA3OR | =/ |
| 07:44.36 | RA3OR | too bad |
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| 07:44.39 | RA3OR | oh well |
| 07:44.52 | omri | hmm... you can't resize the HD? |
| 07:44.56 | omri | not the partition, just the HD |
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| 07:45.35 | Guerin | wtf |
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| 07:45.44 | Guerin | omri: you could try using a file |
| 07:45.51 | Guerin | or an angle grinder would be better |
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| 07:46.06 | omri | what? lost you there; what does this relate to? |
| 07:46.19 | Guerin | omri: resizing your drive |
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| 07:46.31 | Guerin | angle grinders are good fir resizing things |
| 07:46.31 | NefariousPrior | thanks all, gftp works nicely. |
| 07:46.38 | Guerin | they only go in one direction, though |
| 07:46.41 | omri | I'm not trying to resize anything; I'm happy with my sizes |
| 07:46.45 | omri | :] |
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| 07:47.03 | Guerin | oh, RA3OR was doing it |
| 07:47.05 | Guerin | my bad |
| 07:47.10 | NefariousPrior | omri: That's not what I heard. |
| 07:47.20 | omri | would you like to enlarge your DVD? |
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| 07:47.55 | RA3OR | i wanna enlarge my hda under vmware, any ideas welcome |
| 07:48.13 | RA3OR | gonna del it in like 5 mins, so think fast :") |
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| 07:49.02 | RA3OR | hmm |
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| 07:54.15 | purplepenguins | whee |
| 07:54.31 | jzxu | if I download the kernel sources with apt-get, will the default options be the options the pre-compiled debian kernel uses? |
| 07:54.34 | purplepenguins | I was feeling serendipity so I randomly installed debian |
| 07:54.40 | cydork | RA3OR: ask #vmware? |
| 07:54.55 | purplepenguins | I forgot to turn off Gnome, which annoys me slightly |
| 07:55.01 | cydork | jzxu: yes |
| 07:55.07 | purplepenguins | and some things aren't working right |
| 07:55.13 | jzxu | cydork, thanks |
| 07:56.23 | purplepenguins | like conky |
| 07:56.37 | purplepenguins | it flickers and doesn't update correctly |
| 07:57.22 | jzxu | cydork, what's the package name? |
| 07:58.14 | cydork | jzxu: linux-source-2.6.version |
| 07:58.25 | jzxu | cydork, thanks again |
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| 07:59.21 | cydork | jzxu: no probs :) |
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| 08:03.12 | gn00b | i just installed debian for the first time. i'm amazed at how easy it was. i thing i'm finally gonna ditch m$ |
| 08:03.27 | JosefAssad | gn00b: welcome aborad |
| 08:03.41 | gn00b | :-) |
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| 08:06.08 | makk1ntosh | hi all |
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| 08:07.06 | JosefAssad | ah, sweet. My mission to Beirut (to contract a good open source company) is coming together! |
| 08:07.15 | jzxu | the output of fglrxinfo shows that the OpenGL renderer is MOBILITY/RADEON 9000 DDR Generic, and glxinfo says direct rendering is supported, but when I run glxgears I still get 100% cpu usage. What's up? |
| 08:07.43 | makk1ntosh | i want to ask. I have very expensive bandwith at office and i need to download some amout of packages from reposirory. but how to get list of links to files that apt-get wants to download to make me able to get them via cheaper internet? |
| 08:07.44 | makk1ntosh | thanx |
| 08:07.56 | david | jzxu: what about fgl_glxgears? |
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| 08:08.13 | david | jzxu: Will that result in 100% cpu usage also? |
| 08:08.17 | jzxu | david, same thing |
| 08:08.35 | david | hrmmm |
| 08:09.25 | JosefAssad | makk1ntosh: in the apt-get manpage, have a look at what the -s option does. Dry run |
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| 08:10.24 | JosefAssad | en, that doesn't give you urls; sorry |
| 08:10.47 | formorer | JosefAssad: read the manpage |
| 08:11.14 | cydork | makk1ntosh: take a look at apt-zip, that should help you with that. |
| 08:11.25 | makk1ntosh | ty |
| 08:11.51 | JosefAssad | formorer: to...? |
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| 08:12.13 | formorer | JosefAssad: find the parameter that print uris |
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| 08:12.35 | JosefAssad | formorer: yeah, jsut found that |
| 08:12.47 | JosefAssad | formorer: was for makk1ntosh though, not myself :) |
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| 08:13.16 | JosefAssad | formorer: but thanks |
| 08:13.18 | Overflow-debian | hello ppl.. |
| 08:13.37 | JosefAssad | makk1ntosh: got that? --print-uris is what you want |
| 08:13.57 | makk1ntosh | yeah reading manuals:) thanx a lot |
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| 08:14.33 | Overflow-debian | got a tiny problem, every time i play something in mplayer he says "alsa init: resources busy" but works correctly.. |
| 08:15.17 | Overflow-debian | how can i remove anniying msg. |
| 08:15.27 | Overflow-debian | annoying* |
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| 08:16.03 | makk1ntosh | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:16.04 | makk1ntosh | hehe |
| 08:16.30 | NefariousPrior | Overflow-debian: Is that your nick or some strange bot response? |
| 08:16.56 | cydork | makk1ntosh: also check apt-zip that will make your life easy :) |
| 08:16.58 | Overflow-debian | my nick lol |
| 08:17.39 | be`o | anyone tried with snmpd proxy? |
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| 08:17.50 | tux75 | hello |
| 08:17.58 | cydork | !anyone |
| 08:17.58 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 08:18.27 | be`o | :) |
| 08:18.37 | be`o | I have problem with snmpd |
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| 08:19.12 | be`o | just one line "proxy -m /usr/share/squid/mib.txt -v 1 -c public localhost:3401 .1.3.6.1.4.1.3495.1" in snmpd.conf |
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| 08:19.47 | be`o | I also check by snmpwalk directly to squid snmp port and it's fine |
| 08:20.21 | be`o | but when I try to "walk" on udp:161 of snmpd then .. nothing |
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| 08:21.42 | Overflo1 | ohi |
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| 08:21.52 | Overflo1 | /nicm Overflow |
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| 08:28.27 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 08:28.28 | dpkg | <veleno> Guerin: i don't know what a moron is. |
| 08:28.40 | tarzeau | liable: that's a good one |
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| 08:29.03 | streuner_ | hehe, Guerin, hehe |
| 08:29.04 | liable | tarzeau: ironic innit :) |
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| 08:29.27 | Begasus | can I as again how I can close the x-session? |
| 08:29.27 | streuner_ | poor Guerin :-) |
| 08:29.32 | cydork | streuner_: heh |
| 08:29.33 | liable | Begasus: how did you start it? |
| 08:29.42 | liable | poor Guerin?? |
| 08:29.44 | liable | lol |
| 08:29.44 | Begasus | it starts automaticly liable |
| 08:29.58 | liable | poor people that guerin helps :P |
| 08:29.59 | Begasus | need to install the nvidia driver |
| 08:30.01 | streuner_ | well, i wonder what kind of answer you could give to such question.... |
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| 08:30.12 | Begasus | but can't do that with the x server running |
| 08:30.15 | hark | you are! |
| 08:30.24 | liable | Begasus: gnome or kde? |
| 08:30.36 | Begasus | gnome |
| 08:30.49 | hark | Begasus: ctrl+alt+Backspace |
| 08:30.57 | liable | Begasus: in a terminal, as root, /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 08:31.00 | hark | /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 08:31.03 | purplepenguins | is there an easy way to get pidgin on etch? |
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| 08:31.14 | Begasus | k thnx! |
| 08:31.48 | Begasus | that did the trick ;) |
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| 08:32.08 | Begasus | the backspace thing only restarts X hark .. that I knew ;) |
| 08:32.13 | liable | streuner_: it was a question? |
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| 08:32.17 | hark | !info pidgin |
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| 08:32.23 | dpkg | pidgin: (multi-protocol instant messaging client), section net, is optional. Version: 2.0.0+dfsg.1-3 (sid), Packaged size: 1718 kB, Installed size: 4840 kB |
| 08:32.40 | purplepenguins | guess it's kind of new |
| 08:32.42 | liable | heh, i was thinking about PNG when you said pidgen |
| 08:32.51 | hark | purplepenguins: backport it i guess |
| 08:32.59 | hark | !pidgin |
| 08:32.59 | dpkg | pidgin is probably formerly gaim, but due to trademark issues with AOL over the acronym AIM, had its name changed to Pidgin. libgaim is now libpurple and gaim-text is now Finch. |
| 08:33.09 | streuner_ | !kill liable |
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| 08:33.15 | liable | i meant PNG the country btw |
| 08:33.26 | purplepenguins | hmm, murrine doesn't like working correctly |
| 08:33.36 | liable | !penixstike streuner |
| 08:33.42 | liable | bah |
| 08:33.44 | hark | !typosmite liable |
| 08:33.52 | liable | i hate it when i misspell a factoid |
| 08:34.04 | liable | or cmd |
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| 08:34.21 | liable | doing the second time just loses the fun |
| 08:34.24 | hark | the best one is the comfort factoid for typos :) |
| 08:34.38 | hark | !confort liable |
| 08:34.38 | dpkg | There, there, hark. liable will give a spelling checker for your birthday. |
| 08:34.41 | purplepenguins | is there a nice package for gtk engines |
| 08:34.50 | liable | hah |
| 08:34.55 | cydork | heh that's a good one :P |
| 08:34.58 | liable | i havent seen that one before |
| 08:35.09 | streuner | purplepenguins: /msg dpkg search |
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| 08:35.46 | purplepenguins | I found some engines |
| 08:35.50 | purplepenguins | but not the one I wanted... |
| 08:36.00 | liable | i found some penguins! |
| 08:36.16 | streuner | wth is pidgin, anyway? |
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| 08:36.19 | liable | not the colour i wanted... |
| 08:36.22 | xand | streuner: gaim |
| 08:36.23 | streuner | !find pidgin |
| 08:36.24 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'pidgin' (4): pidgin ;; pidgin-data ;; pidgin-dbg ;; pidgin-dev. |
| 08:36.25 | crolle17 | concerning vi: how to mark a string or some characters and copy them in to buffer and then paste into a new line? |
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| 08:36.42 | cydork | oh it's in sid .. |
| 08:36.46 | JosefAssad | crolle17: tmtowtdt |
| 08:36.50 | streuner | purplepenguins: its in debian |
| 08:36.53 | hark | yeah, and gaim is too |
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| 08:37.14 | olspookishmagus | while installing Debian Etch if you <Go Back> on one step, the installation proccess is no longer automated... is there away to turn it back to automated? |
| 08:37.38 | purplepenguins | pidgin is in debian but it's an unstable package |
| 08:37.42 | hark | no, i think you are stuck in expert mode then, but not sure |
| 08:37.43 | crolle17 | JosefAssad, what does it mean? |
| 08:37.48 | purplepenguins | is there a nice way to install unstable packages in stable? |
| 08:37.55 | cydork | purplepenguins: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 08:37.58 | hark | purplepenguins: yeah, /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 08:38.05 | cydork | purplepenguins: or check if backports.org have it |
| 08:38.32 | JosefAssad | crolle17: <mark text> -- y (copies) -- p (pastes) ; then you got to work out how you want to mark. 'v' starts visualmode which is probably the most intuitive |
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| 08:39.21 | omri | man, PXE is cool! |
| 08:39.25 | crolle17 | JosefAssad, great! thank you. |
| 08:40.03 | JosefAssad | crolle17: bitte |
| 08:40.32 | omri | Supaplex, things start looking brighter :) got the netboot working, I'm making it run on debian, then I'll make it connect to my X server somehow :) |
| 08:40.48 | liable | completely out of the blue, is anyone having any issues with modprobe? |
| 08:41.09 | NefariousPrior | Where can I get a complete list of the archs debian supports? |
| 08:41.23 | Supaplex | omri: kewl. |
| 08:41.39 | Supaplex | NefariousPrior: www.debian.org/ports/ |
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| 08:41.42 | cydork | NefariousPrior: debian.org/ports? |
| 08:42.07 | NefariousPrior | cool, idk why that was so hard to find. |
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| 08:42.10 | streuner | NefariousPrior: or just checkout /msg dpkg d-i or /msg dpkg ig |
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| 08:42.39 | liable | the debian site needs some redisigning. its damn hard sometimes to find what your looking for |
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| 08:42.42 | crolle17 | JosefAssad, ;) |
| 08:43.02 | streuner | liable: feel free to help in #debian-www (OFTC) |
| 08:43.04 | cydork | liable: do you use iceweasel? |
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| 08:43.35 | liable | cydork: yes, why's that? |
| 08:43.40 | hark | greasemonkey? |
| 08:43.43 | cydork | liable: http://cydork.mine.nu/~vihang/test/debian.xul |
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| 08:43.56 | liable | cydork: whats that do? |
| 08:44.25 | liable | cydork: spiffy! |
| 08:44.25 | cydork | liable: check it :) |
| 08:44.46 | hark | http://code.google.com/p/debian-monkeys/ |
| 08:44.49 | purplepenguins | blah |
| 08:44.53 | purplepenguins | murrine isn't working right |
| 08:45.01 | Supaplex | cydork: cool =) |
| 08:45.09 | Supaplex | what's enpp? |
| 08:45.10 | liable | cydork: it searches pdo only? |
| 08:45.15 | Supaplex | er wnpp |
| 08:45.23 | Begasus | "Unable to find the development tool 'cc' in your path; please make sure that you have the package 'gcc' installed. etc" ... |
| 08:45.30 | Begasus | does anyone had this also? |
| 08:45.35 | NefariousPrior | If I wanted to make a mirror of just Etch(i386), what would be the best tool to do this? |
| 08:45.41 | Supaplex | !build-essential |
| 08:45.41 | dpkg | methinks build-essential is If you do not plan to build Debian packages, you don't need this package. This package contains an informational list of packages which are considered essential for building Debian packages. or apt-get install build-essential; to be able to compile shit |
| 08:45.43 | cydork | liable: nope manythings.. |
| 08:45.57 | cydork | liable: it has a google coop search engine too :P |
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| 08:46.22 | __bmgz__ | Hi all, I have a sarge mail server, after a recent security update, I have a problems sending mail from clients, thunderbird hangs for like 10 seconds before sending mail? I can telnet into smtp port fine, I thing this has something to do with dns as dnsmasq is still reporting AAAA lookups (ipv6) as for as I know i have disabled ipv6 on the server, clients and relevant client programs? |
| 08:46.35 | liable | cydork: thats pretty cool :) |
| 08:46.40 | __bmgz__ | using postfix |
| 08:46.59 | cydork | Supaplex: liable : yep :P |
| 08:47.07 | cydork | liable: check this too http://cydork.mine.nu/~vihang/dpkg/debian.html :P |
| 08:47.16 | __bmgz__ | I am using postfix for smtp. |
| 08:47.56 | liable | cydork: i see you have much too much time on your hands! :P |
| 08:48.10 | C64Freak | I'd like to mount NTFS partition in debian. When I do it with mount -t ntfs -o umask=0000,uid=1000 /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1 I get the mount point read-only. How to change it to writeable? |
| 08:48.31 | cydork | liable: hahahaha |
| 08:48.53 | petemc | C64Freak: unless you set up ntfs-3g, you cant |
| 08:48.54 | liable | cydork: why dont you see that channel that struener mentioned and show the guys this stuff? |
| 08:48.56 | hark | C64Freak: the default write support for NTFS is extremely limited |
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| 08:49.12 | perlmonkey | mornin guys |
| 08:49.19 | cydork | liable: yeah i guess :P |
| 08:49.24 | C64Freak | yeah - I read about it, but just wanted to make sure... thx |
| 08:49.41 | liable | cydork: the dpkg one doesnt do cmd's |
| 08:49.44 | hark | C64Freak: ntfs-3g works, though it's not in etch |
| 08:49.49 | perlmonkey | here's a strange one... whenever I copy and paste in terminal my session locks up (just the terminal session) |
| 08:49.52 | cydork | liable: nope just factoids. |
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| 08:50.18 | liable | cydork: i like it though, nice work. |
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| 08:51.52 | Sazpaimon | anyone here have any issue with libmysql15off? |
| 08:51.59 | Sazpaimon | or rather libmysqlclient15off |
| 08:52.13 | omri | what issues? |
| 08:52.37 | Sazpaimon | well, it's looking for mysql.sock in /tmp |
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| 08:52.53 | omri | check your /etc/my.cnf |
| 08:52.58 | omri | or is it /etc/mysql/my.cnf? :P |
| 08:53.01 | Sazpaimon | and the mysql command is looking for its config file in /etc/ rather thatn /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| 08:53.19 | Sazpaimon | whereas the server wants it in /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| 08:53.25 | cydork | liable: thanks. :) |
| 08:53.35 | omri | hmm... the server's my.cnf has [client] ini section |
| 08:53.42 | Sazpaimon | i realize that |
| 08:53.47 | Sazpaimon | and it's set accordingly |
| 08:53.50 | omri | check mysql --help |
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| 08:53.54 | omri | see the variables at the bottom |
| 08:53.57 | Sazpaimon | but the client is still looking for it in /etc/ rather than /etc/mysql |
| 08:54.23 | perlmonkey | if I change a userid and group what else needs doing apart from editing group and passwd? |
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| 08:55.01 | Sazpaimon | in the meantime, I'll just change my.cnf to put the sock in /tmp/ |
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| 08:55.06 | omri | perlmonkey, why don't you use the command line tools rather than editing the files by hand |
| 08:55.09 | Sazpaimon | but i have no idea what these guys did to the debs |
| 08:55.14 | xoz | perlmonkey: /etc/shadow |
| 08:55.19 | perlmonkey | oh |
| 08:55.20 | omri | Sazpaimon, wait a second |
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| 08:55.28 | perlmonkey | omri: i didnt know such tools existed |
| 08:55.35 | omri | usermod ? :P |
| 08:55.38 | perlmonkey | xoz: thanks |
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| 08:56.23 | xoz | perlmonkey: all files created will have to be change ownership... chown -R <dir> |
| 08:56.27 | omri | open("/etc/mysql/my.cnf", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 3 |
| 08:56.31 | xoz | *changed |
| 08:56.38 | omri | Sazpaimon, see? |
| 08:56.46 | perlmonkey | cool |
| 08:57.06 | omri | Sazpaimon, strace -e open mysql --help > /dev/null |
| 08:57.14 | xoz | perlmonkey: why change the id? |
| 08:57.47 | perlmonkey | xoz: I needed to sync my userid with the one on my nfs /home server |
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| 08:58.08 | omri | I: Configuring debconf... |
| 08:58.08 | omri | W: Failure while configuring required packages. |
| 08:58.16 | xoz | perlmonkey: you can configure nfs to do that |
| 08:58.18 | omri | why am I getting this while debbootstrapping? |
| 08:58.20 | Sazpaimon | omri, open("/etc/my.cnf", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 3 |
| 08:58.21 | perlmonkey | oh |
| 08:58.24 | Sazpaimon | I'm getting this |
| 08:58.25 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 08:58.28 | omri | Sazpaimon, O_o |
| 08:58.29 | Sazpaimon | what version of debian |
| 08:58.33 | omri | etch |
| 08:58.41 | Sazpaimon | x86? |
| 08:58.56 | Sazpaimon | I'm etch x86_64 |
| 08:59.05 | omri | 5.0.32-7etch1 |
| 08:59.29 | omri | hmm.. I have etch x86_64 installation too. let me check |
| 08:59.29 | Sazpaimon | 5.0.32-7etch1 |
| 08:59.31 | Sazpaimon | same as you |
| 08:59.38 | Sazpaimon | that's pretty bizzare |
| 08:59.44 | omri | open("/etc/mysql/my.cnf", O_RDONLY) = 3 |
| 08:59.53 | omri | let me check the version |
| 09:00.00 | salviadud | i just finished downloading xorg from aptitude, does it take forever sometimes? |
| 09:00.03 | perlmonkey | my systems are totally screwed since moving to nfs :-/ |
| 09:00.07 | omri | 5.0.32-7etch1 |
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| 09:00.11 | omri | heh, really odd :P |
| 09:00.20 | omri | maybe something with your environment variables? |
| 09:00.21 | perlmonkey | cant run kde apps, cant paste in terminal |
| 09:00.28 | Sazpaimon | not sure |
| 09:00.35 | omri | or your /usr/lib/libmysqlclient.so.15 |
| 09:00.38 | Sazpaimon | i tried purging and reinstalling everything |
| 09:00.41 | omri | could be that too |
| 09:00.46 | jzxu | when I run fglrxinfo with LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose, I get this line: |
| 09:00.48 | jzxu | fglrx: libGL version does not match - OpenGL module is using glapi fallback |
| 09:01.01 | xoz | perlmonkey: http://metalab.unc.edu/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/NFS-HOWTO |
| 09:01.08 | perlmonkey | xoz: thanks |
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| 09:01.26 | Sazpaimon | ii libmysqlclient15off 5.0.32-7etch1 |
| 09:01.29 | omri | Sazpaimon, what's the version of your libmysqlclient? |
| 09:01.30 | Sazpaimon | :/ |
| 09:01.31 | omri | sec. |
| 09:01.35 | jzxu | could this by why fgl_gears is using 100% of my cpu even though dri seems to be enabled? |
| 09:01.45 | omri | let me send you my mysql binary |
| 09:01.48 | omri | just for the sport |
| 09:01.50 | liable | jzxu: old version mismatch? try removing it via the scripts then reinstall |
| 09:01.51 | purplepenguins | this doesn't make any sense |
| 09:01.59 | Peer | Knows one of you the glx paketquelle? For Debian? |
| 09:02.06 | omri | ii libmysqlclient15off 5.0.32-7etch1 mysql database client library |
| 09:02.10 | mandingo | omri means just for the hacks |
| 09:02.11 | Sazpaimon | couldn't hurt |
| 09:02.12 | mandingo | hahaha |
| 09:02.16 | jzxu | liable, what do you mean removing via the scripts? |
| 09:02.43 | omri | I'll send it to you and I gtg |
| 09:02.48 | Sazpaimon | omri |
| 09:02.55 | Sazpaimon | when you strace mysql --help |
| 09:02.57 | Sazpaimon | does it say [ Process PID=993 runs in 32 bit mode. ] |
| 09:03.01 | Sazpaimon | or whatever PID |
| 09:03.11 | mandingo | mmm, libmysqlclient.15.so? forgive me not scrolling up, what's the exact problem? I hit a hell of a problem with that exact file yesterday |
| 09:03.12 | purplepenguins | none of the gtk themes are working... |
| 09:03.18 | liable | jzxu: how did you install it? |
| 09:03.30 | omri | Sazpaimon, nope |
| 09:03.34 | Sazpaimon | mandingo, it's looking for the my.cnf file in /etc/ rather than /etc/mysql |
| 09:03.38 | Sazpaimon | omri, that's bizzare |
| 09:03.48 | jzxu | liable: not sure |
| 09:03.54 | omri | wget gold.live4all.co.il |
| 09:03.55 | Sazpaimon | it might be my mirror |
| 09:03.56 | omri | err |
| 09:03.58 | omri | wget gold.live4all.co.il/mysql |
| 09:03.58 | RichiH | what is the name of the package i need to install to get this view of directories by their relative size in konqueror? |
| 09:04.05 | omri | Sazpaimon, wanna compare MD5s? |
| 09:04.09 | jzxu | liable: anyway, I removed the file by removing the fglrx driver now |
| 09:04.10 | Sazpaimon | sure |
| 09:04.14 | Sazpaimon | give me the command |
| 09:04.18 | omri | 1a709bfb446b1ee23f6fdac455408ec7 /usr/bin/mysql |
| 09:04.22 | omri | md5sum /usr/bin/mysql |
| 09:04.34 | Sazpaimon | 1a709bfb446b1ee23f6fdac455408ec7 /usr/bin/mysql |
| 09:04.39 | Sazpaimon | they match |
| 09:04.51 | Sazpaimon | let's md5sum the library |
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| 09:05.12 | purplepenguins | how do you change color schemes in gtk? |
| 09:05.13 | Sazpaimon | 626d883fd13691b40b3c293ffe653da1 /usr/lib/libmysqlclient.so.15 |
| 09:05.45 | omri | 626d883fd13691b40b3c293ffe653da1 /usr/lib/libmysqlclient.so.15 |
| 09:05.52 | Sazpaimon | damn |
| 09:05.56 | Sazpaimon | something is seriously wrong here |
| 09:06.01 | omri | indeed |
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| 09:06.39 | Sazpaimon | wait a second |
| 09:06.49 | liable | times up! |
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| 09:06.53 | Sazpaimon | 6c44ebe6a3491594be17a6a311caa12d /usr/local/bin/mysql |
| 09:06.56 | purplepenguins | anyone? |
| 09:06.59 | ROBOd | hello guys |
| 09:07.01 | Sazpaimon | zing! |
| 09:07.24 | liable | mmm chicken |
| 09:07.24 | ROBOd | how do i configure apt/dpkg to automatically download and install updates for certain packages? |
| 09:08.00 | tarzeau | ROBOd: apt-get update and apt-get install certainpackages in some cronjob? |
| 09:08.01 | Sazpaimon | /usr/local/bin/mysql Ver 14.7 Distrib 4.1.10, for pc-linux-gnu (i686) |
| 09:08.07 | Sazpaimon | vs /usr//bin/mysql Ver 14.12 Distrib 5.0.32, for pc-linux-gnu (x86_64) using readline 5.2 |
| 09:08.08 | tarzeau | ROBOd: make sure to add --force-yes -uy |
| 09:08.18 | Sazpaimon | now how the hell did a 32 bit mysql binary make its way into my distro |
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| 09:08.46 | ROBOd | tarzeau: that's not my coup of tea, but yes, that would work |
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| 09:09.07 | ROBOd | tarzeau: i was thinking that the system automatically download and installs security updates |
| 09:09.26 | ROBOd | i'd like this automatic download and install to also include *some* packages |
| 09:09.35 | ROBOd | (some packages i want) |
| 09:09.46 | cydork | ROBOd: cron-apt, or apticron can do that i suppose but i still dont think it's safe.. |
| 09:10.12 | ROBOd | cydork: yes, it's not very safe... true |
| 09:10.18 | ROBOd | i get daily language pack updates |
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| 09:10.28 | ROBOd | and ... eh ... i'd enable automatic update for them |
| 09:10.57 | purplepenguins | feel like trashing my /home |
| 09:11.05 | purplepenguins | too much garbage config files |
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| 09:11.52 | cydork | ROBOd: then check cron-apt or apticron.. |
| 09:12.01 | tarzeau | cydork: we do automated security/sotware updates on about 150 workstations, but it's all monitored, using dphys-config/dphys-admin |
| 09:12.27 | ROBOd | cydork: hmm... synaptic as a checkbox "install automatically" |
| 09:12.33 | liable | purplepenguins: just delete your dot files |
| 09:12.34 | ROBOd | i'll see how that works |
| 09:12.35 | tarzeau | cydork: however there's sometimes bit-switchers in dpkg available file, dependency problems on single hosts (even all are configured the same) and other unexplainable problems needing manual intervention |
| 09:12.39 | tarzeau | cydork: generally it works fine though |
| 09:12.42 | cydork | tarzeau: link?? |
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| 09:12.51 | tarzeau | cydork: packages.debian.org/dphys-config |
| 09:13.02 | tarzeau | cydork: and http://nic.phys.ethz.ch/projects/dphys-admin/ |
| 09:13.12 | tarzeau | cydork: monitoring is at http://bb.phys.ethz.ch |
| 09:13.28 | cydork | tarzeau: oh i didn't know it was included .. :) |
| 09:13.28 | purplepenguins | what happen when you do rm -R ~/.* |
| 09:13.55 | cydork | tarzeau: hey that's big brother is commertial right? |
| 09:13.56 | tarzeau | cydork: yeah i'm so glad i got it into stable, becuase it simplified the automatic installation of our workstations terribly! |
| 09:13.58 | ROBOd | thanks guys |
| 09:14.02 | ROBOd | i have to go now |
| 09:14.03 | ROBOd | bye |
| 09:14.08 | tarzeau | cydork: only for commercial use, but yes, it's not really free |
| 09:14.28 | tarzeau | cydork: we have a very simple fully automatic installer (not based on fai) |
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| 09:14.42 | cydork | tarzeau: then based on preseed? |
| 09:14.50 | tarzeau | cydork: basically a dhcp/tftp server, one preseed file (pretty small) and some hostconfig files |
| 09:14.58 | tarzeau | cydork: yep |
| 09:15.09 | cydork | tarzeau: google for quattor. they were trying to port it for debian. |
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| 09:16.50 | giupy | hi all, i have installed phpmyadmin and mysql server 5, i want to use "real estate management", i have created db and user, but i don't know how to start the software, is the a file named, "site.xml", do i need to open it ? |
| 09:16.55 | crolle17 | is it possible to send a little popup-message via command? |
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| 09:18.44 | tarzeau | cydork: i'm having big problems with kde and kde software on etch though :( (well not me, but the users) |
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| 09:19.32 | purplepenguins | yay, when you delete enough config files things start working again |
| 09:19.50 | cydork | !bless purplepenguins |
| 09:19.50 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child purplepenguins, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 09:19.51 | tarzeau | purplepenguins: of what software? |
| 09:20.03 | cydork | tarzeau: problems like? |
| 09:20.16 | tarzeau | cydork: k3b doesn't start. login is slow or doesn't work (black screen) |
| 09:20.28 | tarzeau | cydork: logout doesn't work, sofwtare locks sound device (arts? arts is shit) |
| 09:20.34 | tarzeau | oh and esd/esound is shit too |
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| 09:20.48 | cydork | crolle17: wall?? |
| 09:20.49 | crolle17 | i mean something like netsend for windows |
| 09:20.59 | crolle17 | but just for linux... |
| 09:21.09 | tarzeau | crolle17: there's samba? |
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| 09:21.23 | cydork | tarzeau: you dont need esd now since alsa has dmix enabled now afaik. |
| 09:21.33 | tarzeau | cydork: me not, but xchat and some users |
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| 09:24.59 | crolle17 | tarzeau, yes |
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| 09:28.22 | Swat2 | is there some kind of program like alcohol120% for linux? |
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| 09:28.50 | Swat2 | to mount ISO's and make them appear as if they were cdroms w/ cd's in them |
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| 09:29.24 | Swat2 | or can you just mount an iso to a folder or something |
| 09:29.34 | Thms | Swat2: qemu |
| 09:29.41 | Swat2 | gracias |
| 09:30.03 | cydork | !mount cdrom |
| 09:30.03 | dpkg | mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdX /cdrom |
| 09:30.18 | cydork | Swat2: ^^ |
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| 09:30.32 | cydork | no wait you want loop mount |
| 09:30.42 | Swat2 | cydork: can that mount a .iso? |
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| 09:31.02 | crolle17 | tarzeau, it is not easy sending it via samba, right? |
| 09:31.17 | cydork | !iso mount |
| 09:31.17 | dpkg | iso mount is, like, mount -t iso9660 -o loop <path_to_iso> <mount_point> |
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| 09:31.26 | cydork | Swat2: ^^ |
| 09:31.37 | Swat2 | excellent! |
| 09:31.39 | Swat2 | gracias |
| 09:31.55 | perlmonkey | im unable to run kde apps in xfce4 (they just wont start, and starting from terminal reveals nothing, just hangs), im not sure whether this is due to an nfs problem/permissions, or whether I am missing some files.. what is needed to run kde apps outside kde? |
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| 09:32.43 | wintix | perlmonkey: nothing except their dependencies which should have been installed along with the package |
| 09:32.59 | crolle17 | cydork, tarzeau it must be possible via smbclient... |
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| 09:33.05 | perlmonkey | I've noticed after a while, this pops up on the terminal: kbuildsycoca running... |
| 09:33.18 | perlmonkey | which suggests it may well be permission issue eh |
| 09:33.21 | crazy_penguin | Hi! |
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| 09:33.34 | perlmonkey | wintix: thanks I thought so |
| 09:33.40 | cydork | perlmonkey: try asking #debian-kde too. |
| 09:33.43 | perlmonkey | ok |
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| 09:34.22 | wintix | crolle17: apt-cache search winpopup |
| 09:35.21 | crolle17 | wintix do you run it? |
| 09:35.32 | wintix | crolle17: no. |
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| 09:36.10 | crolle17 | did you used it? |
| 09:36.18 | crolle17 | use |
| 09:36.21 | wintix | crolle17: no. just suggested it to you. |
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| 09:36.26 | crolle17 | alright |
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| 09:38.04 | crolle17 | wintix, there is some trouble downloading it... no good proc... |
| 09:38.10 | wintix | perlmonkey: sometimes i hvae that problem with amarok. killing the app and restarting it works for me. if that doesn't help it really seems like some permission problem |
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| 09:38.26 | wintix | crolle17: have you tried apt-get update before downloading it? |
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| 09:39.18 | crolle17 | yes |
| 09:39.50 | crolle17 | but i wanted to use a simple command... |
| 09:39.51 | vyrus001 | is there a way to include kernel moduel source directly into the kernel? (i.e. if i have module src for a kernel mod, can i put that folder in the src/linux tree somwhere and compile it into the kernel staticly?) |
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| 09:40.33 | perlmonkey | wintix: thanks |
| 09:44.01 | basanta | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:44.21 | JosefAssad | basanta: try katoob |
| 09:44.58 | JosefAssad | basanta: friend wrote that for Arabic, which requires RTL, shaping, etc. Pretty sure it does other complicated languages well |
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| 09:45.20 | basanta | JosefAssad, let me see |
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| 09:48.43 | basanta | JosefAssad, i real target is not the text editor. Its actually a gtk-based gui installer I am trying to make work in kde |
| 09:49.45 | yang | any idea why the command "tail -f logfile" stops at some point and doesnt paste the results untill I restart it? |
| 09:50.00 | petemc | yang: use -F |
| 09:50.08 | petemc | log files rotate |
| 09:50.13 | yang | ok |
| 09:50.45 | JosefAssad | basanta: and the labels aren't rendering correctly? |
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| 09:51.45 | basanta | JosefAssad, the title on the widget is rendering but the text are not |
| 09:51.54 | lewis | what are some packages for web proxies? |
| 09:52.12 | cydork | lewis: /msg dpkg search |
| 09:54.11 | JosefAssad | basanta: try changing the font used. aptitude install gtk-theme-switch |
| 09:54.31 | JosefAssad | basanta: use a font you know renders your language correctly. |
| 09:55.07 | basanta | JosefAssad, I have used the proper font also |
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| 09:56.26 | JosefAssad | basanta: if run from a terminal, does it throw up any particularly indicative error or warning messages? |
| 09:56.27 | basanta | JosefAssad, let me see |
| 09:57.55 | basanta | JosefAssad, not even a single warning |
| 09:58.22 | JosefAssad | basanta: is this something which can be downloadedfrom somewhere? |
| 09:58.33 | JosefAssad | basanta: does it work in other complex languages? |
| 09:58.50 | timba | where can i set the maximum message size top be received in postfix? |
| 09:58.55 | basanta | JosefAssad, it used to render perfectly in gnome |
| 09:58.57 | timba | *to |
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| 09:59.18 | basanta | JosefAssad, it works in kde without a hitch but the rendering |
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| 10:00.13 | basanta | JosefAssad, its morphix installer and customized |
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| 10:01.07 | JosefAssad | basanta: I might have a look atthat once I'm done with work |
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| 10:03.23 | basanta | JosefAssad, thankx |
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| 10:04.31 | sorsis | what are the tools to install systems by using reference system? |
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| 10:05.38 | sorsis | ah it was about stateless linux |
| 10:06.22 | dondelelcaro | !aptitude clone |
| 10:06.22 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favorite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude upgrade; on the other machine. |
| 10:07.09 | JosefAssad | em, not sure I'd call it cloning when you're just really reproducing the state of installed packages |
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| 10:07.21 | niru | how to convert png to svg |
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| 10:08.38 | sorsis | JosefAssad: close enough is exactly what i'm looking for |
| 10:09.01 | sorsis | dondelelcaro: thank you very much |
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| 10:10.20 | Trewas | niru: draw the same picture with some vector drawing program :) automagic conversion from a bitmap to vector format is not easily done |
| 10:10.32 | zophy__ | what do i need to put in a chroot jail so i can read from stdin ? |
| 10:10.33 | jzxu | so after failing miserably with the fglrx drivers, I went back to the radeon drivers and am getting better performance |
| 10:10.49 | zophy__ | /dev/??? |
| 10:10.54 | jzxu | but with the radeon driver, is glxgears supposed to be taking 30-50% of the cpu? |
| 10:11.05 | dondelelcaro | zophy__: you can always read from stdin |
| 10:11.09 | JosefAssad | inkscape will trace that for you, though it gives you overlays and not discrete shapes on the same layer |
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| 10:11.55 | dondelelcaro | bitmaps can easily be imported into svg |
| 10:11.58 | zophy__ | dondelelcaro, it doesn't seem so with thttpd cgi and popen in a chroot |
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| 10:12.33 | lewis | anything wrong with 'tinyproxy' for very basic HTTP requests? |
| 10:12.39 | dondelelcaro | zophy__: uh... stdin is always fd 0 |
| 10:12.49 | dondelelcaro | zophy__: you don't popen it; it's already open. |
| 10:13.15 | zophy__ | whelp things work when it isn't chroot'ed |
| 10:13.22 | zophy__ | it's gotta be somethin' |
| 10:14.08 | zophy__ | i see reference to /dev/stdin for freebsd |
| 10:14.19 | dondelelcaro | zophy__: it probably is something, but you're being far to vague as to what you're trying to do and what exactly is failing when you're trying to do it. |
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| 10:14.33 | dondelelcaro | zophy__: /dev/stdin is a shell only extension. It is not a real device. |
| 10:14.52 | dondelelcaro | (well, I lie; it's often a symlink to /proc/self/fd/0, but...) |
| 10:14.58 | zophy__ | fgets returns null when i read from a popen stream in a chroot |
| 10:15.19 | jelly-home | jzxu: it depends on your card and cpu, probably |
| 10:15.19 | dondelelcaro | zophy__: which stream are you reading from? |
| 10:15.46 | jelly-home | jzxu: does glxinfo say direct rendering is enabled? |
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| 10:16.11 | dondelelcaro | zophy__: and moreover, what is it that is trying to read from fd0? what exactly are you running in the chroot? |
| 10:17.38 | jzxu | jelly-home, yup |
| 10:18.03 | jelly-home | zophy_, dondelelcaro: well, mounting /proc and making the symlink to /proc/self/fd/0 ought to work |
| 10:18.08 | jzxu | jelly-home, but it was also saying that with the fglrx driver, although when I was using that driver glxgears was taking 100% cpu |
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| 10:18.37 | zophy__ | dondelelcaro, http://rafb.net/p/mwhNPL66.html |
| 10:18.45 | zophy__ | that is my test code |
| 10:18.47 | jelly-home | jzxu: you might just have a slow machine? |
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| 10:19.43 | zophy__ | popen("pwd","r") is the turkey i wabt to cook |
| 10:19.53 | jzxu | jelly-home, perhaps, but it has a decent gfx card - a firegl mobility 9000 |
| 10:20.41 | jzxu | at least it should be able to handle glxgears ... |
| 10:20.42 | jelly-home | jzxu: sounds oldish to me |
| 10:21.22 | jzxu | jelly-home, 2 years old |
| 10:22.50 | jelly-home | jzxu: if it works with the free radeon driver, the chip must be even older |
| 10:24.10 | dondelelcaro | zophy__: so check what errno is set to |
| 10:24.25 | Trewas | jzxu: glxgears draws as fast possible, so a faster card means more cpu-load because the program feeds more often new data for the card to draw (but there maybe other factors and glxgears is way too simple to really measure anything) |
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| 10:25.44 | astronaute | hello guys |
| 10:25.55 | h3sp4wn | jzxu: If you need to run fglrx from in a chroot (wouldn't recommend radeon is the nicest driver I have used) then you need to LD_PRELOAD the 32 bit libGL |
| 10:26.55 | jzxu | h3sp4wn, oh, that actually sounds like it could have been my problem |
| 10:27.13 | jzxu | h3sp4wn, is there a webpage that talks about this in more detail? |
| 10:27.43 | h3sp4wn | jzxu: Certainly (I don't know where though) haven't used fglrx in a long time |
| 10:27.55 | h3sp4wn | jzxu: (but I read it from one) |
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| 10:37.40 | cat | good morning to everyone |
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| 10:38.48 | JosefAss1d | meow |
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| 10:40.24 | cat | =) |
| 10:40.52 | JosefAss1d | we're trying to freak you out |
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| 10:41.00 | massctrl | hellowz, how can I disable the package configuring when installing a package? I would rather do that manually,... |
| 10:41.01 | cat | You already did trust Me. |
| 10:41.09 | cat | massctrl: ? |
| 10:41.46 | massctrl | cat: for example when installing postfix with "apt-get install postfix" halfway the package configuration tool starts to configure postfix, I don't want that, how can I disable that? |
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| 10:42.10 | cat | massctrl: what do you mean? |
| 10:42.29 | cat | perhaps when you download big important packaged the COnfiguration will automaticly asked you.. |
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| 10:44.09 | massctrl | cat: do you know dpkg-reconfigure ? |
| 10:45.07 | cat | indeed dpkg-reconfigure package |
| 10:45.08 | cat | why? |
| 10:45.38 | massctrl | well when intalling a package this configuration tool sometimes pops up, depending the program you intall |
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| 10:46.04 | massctrl | and I don't want that, I want to do configure things manually, |
| 10:46.21 | basanta | JosefAssad, it actually is font issue, but very weired one |
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| 10:46.38 | cat | massctrl: man dpkg-reconfigure and man debconf |
| 10:46.38 | perlmonkey | what is drwxr-xr-x in number? |
| 10:46.48 | xand | 755 |
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| 10:46.53 | bart | hi, i downloaded some new fonts, how can i install them into Xserver (Xorg 7.1) |
| 10:47.03 | perlmonkey | xand: thanks |
| 10:47.07 | cat | bart: mkdir .fonts and put them there and then restart X |
| 10:48.25 | tarzeau | on etch, man install shows ginstall - copy... instead of just install. gnome fan? |
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| 10:49.10 | Coweater | i see install's page |
| 10:49.20 | perlmonkey | why do I hate the dcop server so much |
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| 10:49.32 | h3sp4wn | massctrl: You could do a force confnew with -o -but I think there should be a cleaner way to do it |
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| 10:50.14 | Mmike | There is the 'sleep' shell command wich sleeps for entered number of seconds... is there a similair tool wich could sleep certain number of miliseconds? |
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| 10:50.40 | perlmonkey | There was an error setting up inter-process communications for KDE. The message returned by the system was: Could not read network connection list. /home/paul/.DCOPserver_laptop__0 Please check that the dcopserver program is running. |
| 10:50.52 | cat | nice |
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| 10:50.57 | cat | no wonder kde sucks ;X |
| 10:51.06 | h3sp4wn | Mmike: Just use a (i.e) sleep 0.001 |
| 10:51.25 | massctrl | d3sp4wn: not bad i'll look into it thanks |
| 10:51.42 | massctrl | h3sp4wn that is |
| 10:52.00 | perlmonkey | how to start the dcop server? I dont see anything resembling it in ps |
| 10:52.12 | h3sp4wn | massctrl: the thing is if it is done on an already installed package then it would overwrite the config |
| 10:52.24 | h3sp4wn | already configured sorry |
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| 10:53.11 | massctrl | that's not such an issue |
| 10:53.18 | Mmike | h3sp3wn: thnx :) didn't thing it could accept anything other than integer :) |
| 10:54.11 | Mmike | thnx :) |
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| 10:55.07 | EmleyMoor | One of my systems appears to have lost all the system usernames - exim, for example, is running as a numbered user |
| 10:55.14 | EmleyMoor | Why would that happen? |
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| 10:55.35 | xand | EmleyMoor: is /etc/passwd intact? |
| 10:56.39 | EmleyMoor | It appears to be |
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| 10:57.49 | h3sp4wn | EmleyMoor: Using sid (my dbus and hal is running as a number even though the account exist - atm) |
| 10:57.52 | vorsprung | EmleyMoor, something is wrong with /etc/passwd or it's little pals |
| 10:58.17 | EmleyMoor | vorsprung: I sort-of-know that - but I can't see anything |
| 10:58.23 | EmleyMoor | This has occurred in etch |
| 10:58.28 | perlmonkey | seem to spend half my life fixing debian/linux problems :( |
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| 10:58.56 | vorsprung | perlmonkey, hint: to avoid debian/linux problems ignore the #debian irc channel |
| 10:59.28 | vorsprung | EmleyMoor, pam? shadow? There are several things to check |
| 10:59.45 | perlmonkey | apps are taking an age to start, and when they do start they disappear off the desktop/crash |
| 10:59.46 | jelly-home | hmm... nanosleep(3) references timer_create(2), but apt-file can't find timer_create.2 ... where's the man page hidden? |
| 10:59.51 | EmleyMoor | vorsprung: They shouldn't have broken, really... |
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| 11:00.11 | perlmonkey | ICE default IO error handler doing an exit(), pid = 2977, errno = 0 |
| 11:00.22 | xand | perlmonkey: I blame kde ;) |
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| 11:00.46 | perlmonkey | yes |
| 11:00.46 | perlmonkey | but unfortunately I need it :( |
| 11:01.02 | jelly-home | perlmonkey: .xsession-errors? |
| 11:01.02 | wintix | perlmonkey: i bet it works as root? |
| 11:01.10 | perlmonkey | it does indeed |
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| 11:01.15 | perlmonkey | everything works ok in root |
| 11:01.39 | perlmonkey | wintix: yes (lots) |
| 11:01.53 | h3sp4wn | jelly-home: there is man 3 timer_create (in posix-manpages-dev) |
| 11:02.01 | jelly-home | perlmonkey: dcop server is started by kdeinit here |
| 11:02.06 | h3sp4wn | jelly-home: manpages-posix-dev (sorry) |
| 11:02.13 | perlmonkey | oh |
| 11:02.36 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: thanks |
| 11:02.42 | wintix | perlmonkey: is your user allowed to read/write ~/.ICEauthority ? |
| 11:02.51 | perlmonkey | I'm getting a whole host of errors when kmail finally crashes after failing to load and hanging for 6 mins |
| 11:02.52 | EmleyMoor | Is it necessary for /etc/passwd to be "in order"? |
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| 11:03.05 | xand | EmleyMoor: in order of what? |
| 11:03.08 | xand | uid? |
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| 11:03.29 | bart | can anyone tell me what app is running on the bottom of this picture, it's something like Mac OS docker (not kxdocker) http://www.beryl-themes.org/content/preview.php?preview=3&id=57441&file1=57441-1.jpg&file2=57441-2.jpg&file3=57441-3.jpg&name=H-K+Suite+-+Beryl+Settings |
| 11:03.36 | xand | EmleyMoor: no, ordering doesn't matter |
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| 11:03.38 | EmleyMoor | Yes |
| 11:03.39 | jelly-home | perlmonkey: I bet there are some leftover sockets or whatnot from previous sessions messing up kde startup |
| 11:03.42 | xand | um |
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| 11:03.53 | xand | EmleyMoor: well, maybe, not sure :D |
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| 11:04.00 | EmleyMoor | Well, I didn't think so anyway |
| 11:04.06 | EmleyMoor | As I say, I have this breakage |
| 11:04.08 | xand | EmleyMoor: looking at some passwd files, I'd say not |
| 11:04.28 | perlmonkey | jelly-home: I think you're right, it seems to be related to /tmp/ |
| 11:04.32 | xand | EmleyMoor: can you still login using ssh etc? |
| 11:04.47 | EmleyMoor | xand: Yes - the machine is 15 miles away |
| 11:04.52 | cydork | bart: gdesklet? |
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| 11:05.03 | perlmonkey | wintix: .ICEauthority in /home/user has rw for the user |
| 11:05.06 | xand | in that case it's probably not /etc/passwd |
| 11:05.12 | wintix | perlmonkey: that's ok. |
| 11:05.15 | xand | check the logs? |
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| 11:05.44 | perlmonkey | DCOP aborting while waiting for answer from 'kmail' ** (xfce4-session:3366): WARNING **: ICE connection 0x8403648 rejected |
| 11:05.45 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 11:05.56 | hark | bart: engage maybe? or even avant-something which gnome has |
| 11:06.05 | scx | Hi, can I make a .crt out from a pem (and .key) ? |
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| 11:06.56 | perlmonkey | mythtv: could not connect to socket. lirc_init failed for mythtv, see preceding messages |
| 11:07.27 | perlmonkey | xscreensaver: 11:56:46: 0: unrecognised ClientMessage "_NET_ACTIVE_WINDOW" received. xscreensaver: 11:56:46: 0: for window 0x1600102 (gaim / Gaim) |
| 11:07.35 | EmleyMoor | Nothing obvious in logs |
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| 11:08.43 | perlmonkey | kmail giving less errors now, weaverThreadLogger: thread (ID: [1-4]) suspended. |
| 11:09.05 | EmleyMoor | This is affecting mail and I have someone some distance away in panic about it |
| 11:09.20 | perlmonkey | ICE default IO error handler doing an exit(), pid = 3059, errno = 32 |
| 11:09.52 | perlmonkey | heh |
| 11:09.58 | perlmonkey | f'kin useless |
| 11:10.15 | EmleyMoor | How do I choose, on a machine I'm miles away from, which kernel to boot next time, using grub? |
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| 11:10.57 | scx | :( |
| 11:10.57 | jelly-home | perlmonkey: meh, log out, log in at console, rm -rf /tmp/{kde,ksocket,orbit,gconfd}* |
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| 11:11.16 | jelly-home | perlmonkey: ... kill all the leftover processes for good measure |
| 11:11.43 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 11:11.48 | perlmonkey | jelly-home: thanks |
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| 11:12.23 | jelly-home | perlmonkey: a windows solution, log out and log in again :-) |
| 11:12.40 | EmleyMoor | What would cause the loss of the system usernames? |
| 11:12.41 | perlmonkey | hehe |
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| 11:12.57 | perlmonkey | any solution is good right now |
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| 11:13.29 | jelly-home | EmleyMoor: something tampering with the passwd database? |
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| 11:15.22 | EmleyMoor | jelly-home: I'm surprised this seems not to have happened to anyone else |
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| 11:17.01 | yetifoot | anyone played the balazar game thats in debian? |
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| 11:17.53 | jelly-home | EmleyMoor: you might be confused by numbers in ps output |
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| 11:18.24 | yettenet | Is there a way to execute a program for xterm but leave the terminal open for other commands? (if I simply execute xchat from xterm, for instance, I can't use that xterm terminal until I close xchat) |
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| 11:19.01 | yettenet | *for xterm --> from xterm |
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| 11:19.19 | yetifoot | yettenet, add & to the end of the command |
| 11:19.23 | jelly-home | EmleyMoor: eg. the user "Debian-exim" might actually exist, but ps shows only a number because the username does not fit in 8 character column |
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| 11:19.29 | yettenet | yetifoot: Thanks :P |
| 11:20.00 | yettenet | btw yetifoot: my nick yettenet evolved from my nick "yeti" :) |
| 11:20.07 | yettenet | so hello, mate :P |
| 11:20.31 | yetifoot | yettenet, are you a big hairy ape like creature too? :P |
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| 11:20.41 | yettenet | yetifoot: Bigger than an ape :D |
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| 11:21.00 | yettenet | yetifoot: Apes do I rape though :P |
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| 11:21.12 | anapivirtua | Hi / Ola / Hello |
| 11:21.16 | alleyoopster | what is the correct way to change all my locale variables to another locale. dpkg-reconfigure does not change the locale |
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| 11:21.20 | yettenet | Salut, anapivirtua |
| 11:21.25 | yetifoot | yettenet, are you in the UK? that reminds me of a spoof TV show 'rape an ape' ! |
| 11:21.27 | psyco-obiwan | does anybody know a tool to export users from passwd with possibly more information from mail config (email address and alias) etc. to a .csv file ? |
| 11:21.39 | yettenet | yetifoot: Nope, I haven't ever been there |
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| 11:22.27 | alleyoopster | i have 3 locales installed, US, GB and FR, GB default, but locale still reads US as default, any ideas please? |
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| 11:22.51 | h3sp4wn | alleyoopster: what is in /etc/environment ? |
| 11:22.52 | EmleyMoor | I have reverted to my old kernel and the user names are still missing |
| 11:22.55 | yettenet | Well, thanks for the help... see ya |
| 11:23.10 | alleyoopster | h3sp4wn: US |
| 11:23.28 | h3sp4wn | alleyoopster: so change it to the one you want |
| 11:23.45 | h3sp4wn | alleyoopster: (all the debconf thing does is change that file) |
| 11:23.47 | alleyoopster | h3sp4wn ah ha, that easy eh |
| 11:23.59 | EmleyMoor | jelly-home: I am not confused. This problem has broken my mail |
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| 11:24.23 | alleyoopster | h3sp4wn: i set UK default with debconf, but it doesnt seem to change |
| 11:24.25 | h3sp4wn | alleyoopster: logout and backin (so its get re sourced that is it) |
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| 11:25.39 | jelly-home | EmleyMoor: oh, so you actually don't have the Debian-exim user in /etc/passwd (or wherever you store the passwd db)? |
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| 11:25.44 | alleyoopster | h3sp4wn voila, thanks man |
| 11:26.00 | EmleyMoor | The user is there - hang on, maybe I am confused |
| 11:26.00 | harpi | hello. i have one box running ubuntu and on the other i just set up debian stable. debian dos not reconise my atheros bassed wifi cart. i have ssh on both machines working. i know i can download the drivers on ubuntu , burn them to cd and the install in debian. the question is can it be done using ssh from debian to ubuntu doing apt-get install on the debian machine? |
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| 11:27.13 | perlmonkey | sheesh |
| 11:27.30 | perlmonkey | no change :( |
| 11:27.33 | jelly-home | EmleyMoor: this is normal output of eg. ps -fe |grep hald: 115 4146 1 0 May08 ? 00:00:06 /usr/sbin/hald |
| 11:27.35 | EmleyMoor | I am getting this: 2007-05-10 12:27:16 1Hm6nk-00016r-Qo malware acl condition: unable to connect to sophie UNIX socket (/var/run/sophie). errno=2 |
| 11:27.46 | EmleyMoor | (in the exim log) |
| 11:27.47 | perlmonkey | ok, i'm about to ready to fuk kde off for good |
| 11:27.50 | EmleyMoor | Why would I get that? |
| 11:28.02 | jelly-home | EmleyMoor: that's not related to the ps issue |
| 11:28.12 | EmleyMoor | jelly-home: The ps issue is now a non-issue |
| 11:28.17 | wols_ | EmleyMoor: cause /var/run/sophie does not exist |
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| 11:29.12 | perlmonkey | DCOPClient::attachInternal. Attach failed Could not open network socket |
| 11:29.21 | perlmonkey | bah |
| 11:30.02 | EmleyMoor | wols_: OK - how do I rectify that?> |
| 11:30.11 | jelly-home | EmleyMoor: start sophie? |
| 11:30.25 | perlmonkey | whats a good mail client alternative to kmail which is portable/allows access from different client machines to a single sync'd mbox? |
| 11:30.38 | EmleyMoor | I can't find sophie at all |
| 11:30.44 | EmleyMoor | Is it part of something else? |
| 11:31.05 | jelly-home | !info sophie |
| 11:31.11 | jelly-home | hmm |
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| 11:31.33 | EmleyMoor | I don't know where any reference to it at all came from |
| 11:31.33 | petemc | perlmonkey: you want to use one client on multiple machines? |
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| 11:31.57 | jelly-home | EmleyMoor: something in your exim configuration is trying to use sophie |
| 11:32.01 | EmleyMoor | I either need to get it going, whatever it is, or stop it using it |
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| 11:32.22 | perlmonkey | petemc: well I have one sync'd /home folder with my mbox in and i want to be able to access it from different clients |
| 11:32.31 | harpi | (13:26:00) harpi: hello. i have one box running ubuntu and on the other i just set up debian stable. debian dos not reconise my atheros bassed wifi cart. i have ssh on both machines working. i know i can download the drivers on ubuntu , burn them to cd and the install in debian. the question is can it be done using ssh from debian to ubuntu doing apt-get install on the debian machine? |
| 11:32.32 | perlmonkey | I use nfs to mount the /home see |
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| 11:32.41 | jelly-home | EmleyMoor: an antivirus filter of some sort probably -- sophie is a wrapper for Sophos AV |
| 11:32.43 | petemc | perlmonkey: at the same time? |
| 11:32.51 | petemc | nfs + mbox == :( |
| 11:33.00 | perlmonkey | well not intentionally, but I guess that could happen occasionally |
| 11:33.08 | perlmonkey | oh :( |
| 11:33.14 | jelly-home | perlmonkey: run an imapd on the machine? |
| 11:33.33 | perlmonkey | maybe pop3 is not good anymore for this setup and i should now switch to imap? |
| 11:33.52 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 11:33.55 | jelly-home | imap is more suited for remote mailbox access |
| 11:34.04 | perlmonkey | seems more logical then |
| 11:34.05 | EmleyMoor | jelly-home: How did it get in there and how do I get it out? |
| 11:34.08 | wols_ | perlmonkey: run an imapd. pretty much all of them allow pop access too |
| 11:34.14 | wols_ | at least the good ones |
| 11:34.15 | jelly-home | EmleyMoor: that's for you to find out! |
| 11:34.24 | EmleyMoor | I NTK! |
| 11:34.25 | RA3OR | hey jelly-home :) |
| 11:34.26 | petemc | dovecot is now the one true... |
| 11:34.31 | liable | harpi: debian has drivers for it |
| 11:34.34 | perlmonkey | excellent, that wont cause any probs for my few internet users then |
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| 11:34.37 | liable | harpi: they are in non-free |
| 11:34.44 | jelly-home | RA3OR: um, hi |
| 11:34.59 | perlmonkey | are you guys mostly running xfce4 now? |
| 11:35.01 | hark | harpi: can't you use an ethernet connection for a little while? |
| 11:35.28 | EmleyMoor | I am in desperate need of fixing this |
| 11:35.49 | perlmonkey | I've switched to xfc4 from gnome for my desktop now and it seems really cool, much more faster but still looks the business |
| 11:35.55 | liable | harpi: http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian/MadWifi |
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| 11:36.12 | harpi | liable: i kow but difficult to install if there is no internet hark: i use ssh on......ahh i see......cool....i'll try |
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| 11:36.39 | hark | harpi: /msg dpkg madwifi install |
| 11:37.10 | jelly-home | perlmonkey: I've switched to xfce from afterstep 1.8 (vintage '98) |
| 11:37.41 | EmleyMoor | I don't know where reference to sophie came from, nor how to either install it or configure it out |
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| 11:37.59 | jelly-home | EmleyMoor: ask whoever configured the system? |
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| 11:38.08 | harpi | hark: /msg no such file or directory |
| 11:38.16 | jelly-home | EmleyMoor: grep for sophie in exim config files? |
| 11:38.18 | abrotman | msg who ? |
| 11:38.20 | EmleyMoor | *I* configured it |
| 11:38.21 | hark | harpi: heh, that's the bot here :) |
| 11:38.26 | EmleyMoor | sophie is not in there |
| 11:38.27 | jelly-home | EmleyMoor: haha |
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| 11:38.29 | liable | harpi: in your irc client |
| 11:38.36 | harpi | oeps |
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| 11:39.04 | liable | but really, the madwifi page explains it all |
| 11:39.37 | jelly-home | EmleyMoor: well, I guess you're using a AV/antispam filter that looks for sophie among other things |
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| 11:39.46 | XeN-Lo | hello anybody know where i can find some doc on expert_recipe of partman in the debian-installer |
| 11:39.48 | XeN-Lo | ? |
| 11:39.53 | EmleyMoor | So how do I GET sophie? |
| 11:40.11 | jelly-home | probably google |
| 11:40.24 | hark | wtf is sophie? |
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| 11:40.32 | jelly-home | EmleyMoor: sophie is NOT useful if you don't have sophos av. |
| 11:40.33 | EmleyMoor | This was a breakage last night, as far as I can tell |
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| 11:40.46 | EmleyMoor | It has rendered exim broken |
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| 11:41.28 | perlmonkey | pheweee, just started xfce4 on laptop mounted /home on scsi raid and its like someone has taken away my old lappy and replaced it with a P4 :D |
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| 11:42.12 | hark | ah, the sophos av |
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| 11:44.05 | xand | perlmonkey: you have scsi raid on your laptop?! |
| 11:44.52 | abrotman | xand: you don't? |
| 11:45.18 | perlmonkey | xand: no on my server, but i mounted it as /home on my laptop over nfs and the performance difference its incredible, i guess theres no comparison to a slow laptop hdd |
| 11:45.47 | liable | i wish i had scsi raid on my sever, no less the laptop.. |
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| 11:46.08 | perlmonkey | my laptop is only a P3-600 |
| 11:46.09 | abrotman | sell more sheep! |
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| 11:46.27 | liable | mmm |
| 11:46.28 | jelly-home | liable: get a bunch of old 9-18GB disks and whip something up |
| 11:46.41 | abrotman | liable: you missed my backside! |
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| 11:46.55 | perlmonkey | thats what I did, I bought 6 x 18GB didnt cost very much |
| 11:46.59 | abrotman | jelly-home: still need a decent controller |
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| 11:47.10 | liable | abrotman: too .. much .. inform.. <vomit> |
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| 11:47.19 | abrotman | liable: i was joking! |
| 11:47.27 | liable | sure sure |
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| 11:47.36 | jelly-home | abrotman: softraid... those old hw raids don't perform that well |
| 11:47.42 | k31th | WHat locales do i want to install for GB UK ? ISO or UTF ? |
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| 11:47.51 | abrotman | jelly-home: no thanks .. i'll take the card :) |
| 11:48.04 | k31th | en_gb even |
| 11:48.06 | perlmonkey | jelly-home: I am running soft raid-5 |
| 11:48.10 | abrotman | k31th: most likely UTF .. but really up to you |
| 11:48.11 | jelly-home | abrotman: not in the $10 ebay price range |
| 11:48.22 | abrotman | jelly-home: spend a little .. jeez |
| 11:48.22 | k31th | abrotman: wat is the difference? |
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| 11:48.29 | k31th | i know nothing about locales tbh |
| 11:48.45 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm... qpsmtpd was needed |
| 11:48.47 | xand | I use en_gb.UTF8 or whatever it's called |
| 11:49.07 | abrotman | k31th: then go with utf locales |
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| 11:49.45 | perlmonkey | hmm... how to access my old kmail inbox |
| 11:51.44 | Maerz | hmm what could that be? ping answeres take long time, but the answere time is only 23 ms |
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| 11:52.13 | Maerz | like the system has to wait to send the ping.. |
| 11:52.30 | yetifoot | Maerz, maybe slow DNS lookup? i had something like that |
| 11:52.37 | Maerz | nah its an ip |
| 11:52.43 | Maerz | thought the same first.. |
| 11:53.23 | liable | why do i have to keep exporting CC on a new install?? |
| 11:53.36 | liable | make cant find it if i dont |
| 11:54.01 | RichiH | wrong path? |
| 11:54.13 | liable | as root |
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| 11:54.32 | cydork | wrong $PATH? |
| 11:54.50 | liable | ^^ |
| 11:54.56 | liable | it has all the paths |
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| 11:55.35 | jelly-home | /usr/bin/cc -> /etc/alternatives/cc ... cc alternative missetup? |
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| 11:56.55 | JosefAssad | em. Shouldn't ~/.fonts/ be in /etc/X11/xorg.conf somewhere? |
| 11:56.59 | liable | could be i guess |
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| 11:57.27 | vin` | jelly-home: #422979? |
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| 11:58.26 | jelly-home | vin`, not me, him's liable |
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| 11:59.03 | jelly-home | liable: you wouldn't be running testing or unstable, would ya |
| 11:59.05 | liable | !dbugs 422979 |
| 11:59.08 | dpkg | DONE:#422979:[dpkg] dpkg: update-alternatives doesn't create the symlink; Wed, 9 May 2007 08:03:01 UTC |
| 11:59.14 | liable | jelly-home: why yes, i would be |
| 11:59.14 | omri | I'm netbooting to a readonly debian system; why can't I login? |
| 11:59.22 | liable | ah, very good |
| 11:59.42 | omri | is a readonly root filesystem un-loginable? |
| 11:59.51 | omri | (default startup) |
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| 12:00.02 | omri | not single user or something... |
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| 12:00.25 | hark | JosefAssad: no, no need to |
| 12:00.25 | xand | omri: what happens when you try? |
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| 12:00.34 | omri | Login incorrect |
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| 12:00.56 | omri | maybe I should netboot to a single user |
| 12:00.57 | jelly-home | vin`: is funny how that got into testing |
| 12:01.46 | vin` | jelly-home: I don't think it did |
| 12:02.35 | jelly-home | vin`: nm, I'm an idiot |
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| 12:05.46 | omri | xand, well, that's not a ro problem, it's something else; can't figure out what... |
| 12:06.10 | xand | look in /var/log/auth.log ;) |
| 12:06.32 | omri | it's empty |
| 12:06.38 | RA3OR | debian rullz :"> |
| 12:06.44 | omri | hmm.. I've removed some rcS.d services; maybe it has something to do with it? |
| 12:07.02 | omri | some that complained about ro fs |
| 12:07.15 | RA3OR | vreun roman p-aici ? |
| 12:07.21 | xand | RA3OR: english please |
| 12:07.27 | ekimus | hi, is there a problem with autofs, i have "/mnt/data shares:/srv/nfs/data" in auto.master /mnt exists in the local tree but not /mnt/data, as I understand in "ls -l /mnt/data" should mount it and display contents but I just get "no such file or directory"... any hints? |
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| 12:07.53 | xand | !ro |
| 12:08.01 | omri | read only... |
| 12:08.07 | xand | no, romanian :P |
| 12:08.21 | RA3OR | i was just checking |
| 12:08.36 | RA3OR | some1 i can 'relate' to |
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| 12:09.08 | RA3OR | xand, are you ? |
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| 12:09.14 | jelly-home | ekimus: does it help if you create the mountpoint and restart autofs? |
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| 12:10.06 | RA3OR | where can i see the login failures on the root ? |
| 12:10.14 | RA3OR | .../var/log ? |
| 12:10.19 | petemc | auth.log |
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| 12:11.28 | Maerz | my ping sending takes much to long, now i straced ping, and it hangs here: -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 12:11.39 | RA3OR | petemc: ty |
| 12:11.44 | Maerz | now, what can i do to get rid of this ? |
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| 12:12.26 | jelly-home | Maerz: stracing ping won't work correctly unless you're root |
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| 12:12.56 | Maerz | i was.. |
| 12:13.26 | Maerz | jelly-home i was root. |
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| 12:14.04 | jelly-home | Maerz: the whole line would help too, that's just the exit code of the last traced syscall |
| 12:14.09 | Maerz | k |
| 12:14.34 | jelly-home | Maerz: probably pastebin last 50 lines or so |
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| 12:14.48 | Maerz | ok |
| 12:15.00 | jelly-home | Maerz: do you have any iptables rules active? |
| 12:15.37 | Maerz | no |
| 12:15.55 | Maerz | http://paste.debian.net/27616 |
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| 12:17.12 | ekimus | jelly-home: nope doesn't change a thing |
| 12:17.57 | the-erm | I was thinking about installing debian, does it use sudo, or su? |
| 12:18.12 | h3sp4wn | the-erm: either |
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| 12:18.24 | h3sp4wn | su unless you configure sudo |
| 12:18.34 | the-erm | h3sp4wn: ok just checking. |
| 12:18.42 | the-erm | I prefer using su over sudo. |
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| 12:21.03 | combotfighter | I've got connection problems to my OpenVPN Server. I've posted the Server-Logfile - can anybody tell me whats wrong? http://paste.debian.net/27619 |
| 12:21.29 | jelly-home | Maerz: could it just be network problems? |
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| 12:21.59 | Maerz | wouldn't then be then answere time very high instead of always 24 ms ? |
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| 12:22.28 | jelly-home | Maerz: there's all sorts of network problems :-) |
| 12:22.52 | h3sp4wn | Maerz: are you using pppoe or pppoa ? (mtu set right ?) |
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| 12:23.04 | jelly-home | Maerz: does ifconfig show any unusual errors on the nic? |
| 12:23.08 | Maerz | neither nor.. using a router |
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| 12:23.52 | h3sp4wn | well is the router doing either of the above |
| 12:24.01 | jelly-home | Maerz: I'd use tcpdump to see if those packets are coming back... if they're not, it's not ping's fault |
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| 12:24.04 | tty|-0 | hola |
| 12:24.07 | tty|-0 | hi |
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| 12:26.07 | Maerz | its a t-com router, no linux :( |
| 12:26.14 | combotfighter | My openVPn Client connects but aborts with "TLS handshake failed". What does that mean??? |
| 12:27.29 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: anyway, those default ping packets are sufficiently small to get through even with insanely small mtu |
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| 12:28.30 | h3sp4wn | jelly-home: ack |
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| 12:29.51 | Grim76 | Mornin everyone |
| 12:29.58 | Grim76 | doh wrong window sorry |
| 12:30.21 | Maerz | <jelly-home> Maerz: I'd use tcpdump to see if those packets are coming back... if they're not, it's not ping's fault <--------- But thats the point, all packet do come back |
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| 12:30.28 | Maerz | even if it takes 15 sek |
| 12:30.32 | Maerz | and answere time is always <50 ms |
| 12:30.44 | Maerz | network issues would effect the answere time or ping would say no answere.. |
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| 12:31.27 | liable | Grim76: lol, arent we worthy of a good morning? ;) |
| 12:31.37 | combotfighter | could anybody help me with my openVPN? |
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| 12:31.52 | fireba11 | combotfighter: be more specific |
| 12:32.01 | sgeigerbot | combotfighter: Make your questions UDP-like (all info in one packet/line), not TCP-like...which requires a handshake like "I have a question" "What is it?" "Well you see, it's like..." That's unnecessary overhead in IRC. |
| 12:32.27 | Grim76 | liable: True....Mornin everyone....lol |
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| 12:32.27 | fireba11 | sgeigerbot: haha |
| 12:33.27 | omri | sgeigerbot, also, if you're using UDP, I can always pretend I didn't hear your question :P |
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| 12:33.38 | sgeigerbot | omri: What? |
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| 12:33.44 | Maerz | lol |
| 12:33.48 | Grim76 | lol |
| 12:34.01 | omri | nvm :P |
| 12:34.12 | omri | !enter |
| 12:34.12 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. (Remember, the less you annoy us, the more help you're likely to get.) |
| 12:34.14 | sgeigerbot | omri: Keep your tongue to yourself. |
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| 12:35.24 | sgeigerbot | People like you need to have their enter keys removed. |
| 12:35.58 | omri | people like you should have their **** removed |
| 12:36.09 | Maerz | you always <3 each other ? |
| 12:36.13 | sgeigerbot | omri: What? |
| 12:36.17 | omri | face... |
| 12:37.15 | the-erm | Once debian is installed, and a new version comes out can you upgrade to the new version, or is that just automatically done when you apt-get update ? |
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| 12:37.51 | h3sp4wn | seems to me sgeigerbot was right (see !lol) |
| 12:37.54 | the-erm | I guess what I'm asking is do you have to download the iso and reinstall ... or is it just an apt-get update situation? |
| 12:37.59 | zophy_ | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 12:38.04 | the-erm | good |
| 12:38.12 | petemc | the-erm: update just updates the package lists, dist-upgrade is what you want, and you'll want to use aptitude, and read the release notes for the new version |
| 12:38.15 | zophy_ | debian is good |
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| 12:38.25 | seans | the-erm: you will have to possibly edit you sources.list file |
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| 12:38.38 | the-erm | That's to be expected seans. |
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| 12:38.49 | vin` | not if you leave it at 'stable' or 'testing' |
| 12:39.11 | the-erm | I just wanted to make sure I wasn't getting into another mandriva situation where everything was removed. |
| 12:39.13 | sgeigerbot | the-erm: yes, but dist-upgrade can easily cause dist-fuckup. Don't use this command lightly. |
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| 12:39.30 | sgeigerbot | the-erm: I would suggest changing only what you need to change. |
| 12:40.22 | psbase | hey guys. I just saw that my apache server is down. I went checking why, and I noticed that the jboss and mysql services are not running as well. I then checked my apache logs and saw that the process was killed ([Thu May 10 01:09:18 2007] [notice] caught SIGTERM, shutting down). However, it was not me. Is there a way to check who killed the process, or who was logged in from which IP ? |
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| 12:41.34 | petemc | psbase: could be the OOM killer |
| 12:41.47 | psbase | petemc: Should I google that? |
| 12:41.50 | liable | petemc: check auth.log for users |
| 12:41.50 | petemc | check messages, syslog, dmesg |
| 12:41.58 | omri | check last as well |
| 12:42.06 | zophy_ | lastlog |
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| 12:44.24 | psbase | dmesg and messages are 0 bytes big |
| 12:44.49 | petemc | thats not good... |
| 12:44.51 | liable | eek |
| 12:45.03 | psbase | they wheere last changed: May 10 01:18 dmesg, and May 10 02:09 messages |
| 12:45.09 | psbase | just after the server was shut down |
| 12:45.21 | spyroboy | what's the difference between rlogin and ssh? |
| 12:45.31 | psbase | could it be someone got hold of my password logged in and delete his presence |
| 12:45.36 | petemc | psbase: what about syslog.0 ? |
| 12:45.51 | psbase | petemc: where do I find that file? |
| 12:45.57 | petemc | same place.. |
| 12:46.30 | psbase | no file with that name in /var/log |
| 12:46.39 | psbase | am I in the right folder`? |
| 12:46.42 | petemc | yes |
| 12:46.49 | markybob | psbase: cat /etc/debian_version says what? |
| 12:46.53 | petemc | thats all very suspicious |
| 12:47.02 | psbase | 3.1 |
| 12:47.10 | saintiss | hi all |
| 12:47.13 | psbase | petemc: it is indeed |
| 12:47.41 | psbase | how can I check if that guy created a new user, if he happen to log in with my password? |
| 12:47.43 | saintiss | is it possible to download the source package of a package which was installed through security updatesM |
| 12:47.43 | saintiss | ? |
| 12:48.11 | markybob | saintiss: if you have a security deb-src line in sources.list, yes |
| 12:48.48 | maatttt | hi all |
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| 12:49.08 | maatttt | I'm having a hell of a time getting sound to work on my deb v4. |
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| 12:49.34 | psbase | markybob and petemc: any other ideas for me please? I am worried |
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| 12:49.54 | markybob | i would be, too |
| 12:50.00 | maatttt | alsa detects the card, alsamixer seems to work, but I get no sound from the speaker socket or headphone socket. and recording from the mic socket doesn;t seem to work. |
| 12:50.05 | maatttt | any ideas ? |
| 12:50.23 | liable | maatttt: are you in audio group? |
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| 12:50.33 | psbase | markybob: I will change my password, but I need to be sure, that he did not created any user with my root account |
| 12:50.42 | maatttt | as root, my bad, but true. |
| 12:50.44 | omri | try cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp as root, lower down the volume before you do that |
| 12:50.56 | markybob | psbase: check your passwd/shadow file to see if there are new users that you dont know about |
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| 12:51.48 | omri | you stop it with ctrl+c btw ... |
| 12:51.51 | saintiss | markybob, hmm, indeed... then how come the libncurses package was upgraded to 5.4-9 (in sarge), but when I download the source package I get 5.4-4? |
| 12:51.58 | saintiss | are these out of sync sometimes? |
| 12:52.06 | maatttt | omri, no sound. no errors either. |
| 12:52.08 | saintiss | in which case, can I get the correct source package somehow? |
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| 12:52.25 | maatttt | any logs I can check ? |
| 12:52.36 | markybob | saintiss: did you apt-get update after adding the deb-src line? |
| 12:52.43 | markybob | !alsa install |
| 12:52.43 | dpkg | alsa install is probably apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils , or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to alsa, so "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and "echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules" to provide the oss compatibility layer |
| 12:53.10 | psbase | markybob: I don't think there are any new. at the bottom there are the users I added, so I guess, his name will figure underneath, which is not the case |
| 12:53.27 | saintiss | markybob, sure, that's not it.. |
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| 12:55.30 | markybob | !info libncurses5 sarge |
| 12:55.33 | dpkg | libncurses5: (Shared libraries for terminal handling), section base, is required. Version: 5.4-4 (sarge), Packaged size: 269 kB, Installed size: 512 kB |
| 12:55.34 | h3sp4wn | saintiss: what does - apt-cache madison libncurses5 (say) (I presume libncurses is still a virtual in sarge) |
| 12:56.09 | markybob | saintiss: i dont see a -9 available. and i dont see anything in security.debian.org that says about a security update. ? |
| 12:56.17 | markybob | saintiss: are you mixing distros? |
| 12:56.36 | tarzeau | abrotman: could you package lapackpp ? |
| 12:56.37 | maatttt | found this in dmesg : cs46xx: failure waiting for FIFO command to complete |
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| 12:56.55 | tarzeau | hey markybob |
| 12:57.01 | markybob | hey |
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| 13:00.04 | saintiss | markybob, I almost can't believe I would have been mixing distro's somehow... I've got debian-multimedia repo's as well, but they shouldn't be responsible either |
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| 13:00.48 | h3sp4wn | psbase: I would build a statically linked version of lsof (if it has been rooted they will be trojaned binaries around) won't help if he has added a kernel rootkit though |
| 13:01.30 | psbase | h3sp4wn: it is a virtual private server. No access to kernels there |
| 13:02.20 | saintiss | I downgraded to libncurses 5.4-4 now |
| 13:02.25 | saintiss | that seems to help |
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| 13:02.42 | saintiss | I can't imagine where this 5.4-9 came from if not from a security update though :( |
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| 13:03.38 | combotfighter | how can i find out the adress of my serial port? |
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| 13:04.29 | perlmonkey | openoffice and firefox wont start on my system, any ideas? :-/ |
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| 13:05.03 | markybob | !doesnt work |
| 13:05.03 | dpkg | methinks doesnt work is Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 13:05.15 | perlmonkey | starting them from the terminal reveals absolutely nothing, they just hang |
| 13:05.27 | snirks | maybe read logs |
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| 13:05.55 | perlmonkey | nothing in logs either (syslog/messages) |
| 13:06.07 | h3sp4wn | perlmonkey: checked bts ? (I saw that openoffice has issues on sid atm) firefox not in debian |
| 13:06.20 | snirks | might be elsewhere. not sure where mozilla puts stuff |
| 13:06.21 | Sebboh | I'm having trouble using find(1). I want to find all directories that don't contain .svn in the path. I've got find . -type d \! -wholename /.svn/ .. What am I doing incorrectly? |
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| 13:06.33 | snirks | perlmonkey: did you try iceweasel |
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| 13:07.42 | perlmonkey | thanks guys |
| 13:07.49 | snirks | it was iceweasel? |
| 13:07.49 | Nosferatu | How can I see, in seconds, the time a process was started? |
| 13:08.01 | perlmonkey | yes |
| 13:08.13 | perlmonkey | I think firefox has been replaced by the weasel |
| 13:08.27 | snirks | its so that they include it with distros or something.. |
| 13:08.28 | Nosferatu | Not replaced; it's still firefox. |
| 13:08.30 | snirks | not quite sure |
| 13:08.33 | Nosferatu | It's just a name change. |
| 13:08.36 | perlmonkey | oh |
| 13:08.44 | abrotman | tarzeau: you can't ? |
| 13:08.48 | perlmonkey | well lets see if the weasel starts |
| 13:08.53 | tarzeau | abrotman: no |
| 13:08.57 | abrotman | ok |
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| 13:09.11 | Nosferatu | perlmonkey, Firefox's trademark policy is too restrictive to allow debian to bundle it with the OS. |
| 13:09.11 | h3sp4wn | It has some patches that are not in the official firefox (and its compiled differently) |
| 13:09.48 | perlmonkey | Nosferatu: oh i see, so what is iceweasel then, how does that get around it? |
| 13:09.50 | psbase | h3sp4wn: I am installing lsof through apt-get now |
| 13:09.51 | snirks | too restrictive is unfair to say |
| 13:09.55 | Sebboh | By the way, debian's switch to iceweasle completely broke dozens of apps that depend on the mozilla libs... |
| 13:09.56 | snirks | rather say its being done correctly now |
| 13:10.10 | Nosferatu | perlmonkey, it's a different name, different artwork. |
| 13:10.15 | perlmonkey | Fedora doesn't provide mp3 support due to similiar issues with licensing |
| 13:10.20 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 13:10.31 | Nosferatu | It was a /trademark/ issue, not terms of use or something that would prevent debian from using it. |
| 13:10.35 | Nosferatu | Firefox is still GPL. |
| 13:10.45 | perlmonkey | cool |
| 13:10.53 | h3sp4wn | Mozilla public license (not GPL) |
| 13:10.56 | Sebboh | iceweasel is the "firefox" source code, minus the firefox name and artwork, which are copyrighted in a way that debian can't make use of. |
| 13:11.08 | perlmonkey | who came up with iceweasel then? |
| 13:11.11 | perlmonkey | the name and artwork |
| 13:11.32 | Sebboh | you can google for iceweasel history... I did. =) |
| 13:11.39 | perlmonkey | seriously? |
| 13:11.43 | perlmonkey | oh |
| 13:11.48 | snirks | :P |
| 13:11.49 | Sebboh | Yes, that's how I know anything about it.. |
| 13:11.56 | perlmonkey | well |
| 13:12.02 | Coweater | /msg dpkg iceweasel /msg dpkg why iceweasel |
| 13:12.19 | perlmonkey | iceweasel does not start on my system either, so the same problem with firefox must be affecting it |
| 13:12.21 | snirks | you can also use wikipedia to read about boolean satisfiability problem |
| 13:12.27 | snirks | but thats for another day |
| 13:12.34 | humbolto | should there be a boot log in /var/log ? |
| 13:12.36 | perlmonkey | im so sick of all these problems |
| 13:12.43 | Coweater | perlmonkey: do you have any instances running? check ps |
| 13:12.50 | Sebboh | Speaking of knowing stuff, I'd like to use find to locate all the files in the current directory that aren't .svn directories or their children... |
| 13:12.54 | h3sp4wn | perlmonkey: are you using etch ? |
| 13:12.55 | humbolto | what do I need to do to get a log of all boot messages? |
| 13:13.02 | Sebboh | dmesg |
| 13:13.13 | asg | humbolto: enable bootlogd (/etc/default/bootlogd) |
| 13:13.21 | snirks | perlmonkey: i do suggest maybe starting off with ubuntu/kubuntu if you need stuff to "just work", and then rather do backwards-learning (finding out how it "just works") |
| 13:13.23 | snirks | its great for learning |
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| 13:13.32 | perlmonkey | firefox-bin is loaded on ps, i tried killall before i started it |
| 13:13.51 | snirks | if you catch my driftz0r |
| 13:13.57 | perlmonkey | h3sp4wn: yes |
| 13:14.04 | Coweater | perlmonkey: work? |
| 13:14.41 | perlmonkey | something is seriously messed up with my system since i switched to nfs mounted /home |
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| 13:14.53 | snirks | does the d in dmesg stand for anything special or "debug"? |
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| 13:14.56 | perlmonkey | i hate how you try and make a small change and everything craps out |
| 13:15.27 | perlmonkey | everything was working fine previously |
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| 13:16.09 | snirks | thats what backups are for =( |
| 13:16.38 | perlmonkey | waste of time eh, half a day lost now so far |
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| 13:17.11 | asg | snirks: diagnostic message |
| 13:17.24 | perlmonkey | I think probably kde is causing the problems |
| 13:17.34 | perlmonkey | maybe I should just purge my system of it completely |
| 13:17.37 | humbolto | does this mean something went wron during boot? /dev/sda2 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) [I am not at location, so I can't follow the console output or interact with the boot process] |
| 13:17.45 | snirks | asg: thanks man |
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| 13:19.26 | perlmonkey | how do I remove all the kde crap? |
| 13:19.27 | tarzeau | perlmonkey: apt-get --purge remove kde.* ? |
| 13:19.27 | humbolto | "/dev/sda2 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)" Does that indicate it wanted to do a fsck on boot? |
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| 13:19.27 | perlmonkey | sheesh, after like 10 mins nearly iceweasel puts up a window "session closed unexpectedly, restore/start new session" and then does nothing |
| 13:19.27 | tarzeau | perlmonkey: then hand remove what ever is listed w/ dpkg -l | grep kde , and maybe dpkg -l | grep qt |
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| 13:19.27 | perlmonkey | wtf |
| 13:19.28 | perlmonkey | tarzeau: thanks |
| 13:19.28 | asg | perlmonkey: /msg dpkg remove kde |
| 13:19.28 | omri | humbolto, that doesn't say that; your fstab has two numbers on the end of each line; they indicate it. |
| 13:19.29 | cydork | Sebboh: what about this find . -type d ! -path '*.svn*' ?? |
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| 13:20.55 | humbolto | omri: fstab numbers indicate what? The system does not touch them on boot, does it? |
| 13:21.04 | omri | it "looks" in them |
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| 13:21.05 | h3sp4wn | psbase: lsof -i -n -P (as root) see whats listening on a port (some script kiddies are not very good) |
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| 13:21.28 | Mase | hi guys, will debian-40r0-powerpc-kde-CD-1.iso give me a full working distro + X/KDE |
| 13:21.31 | psbase | h3sp4wn. thanx =) I was just about to leave. I will check that now |
| 13:21.36 | Mase | or is that purely the KDE packages |
| 13:21.42 | Mase | and i need another CD with it ? |
| 13:22.21 | h3sp4wn | Mase: That is all you need (base system with kde) |
| 13:22.40 | psbase | h3sp4wn: it looks fine, only jboss apache ssh syslog running there |
| 13:22.43 | humbolto | I tried several times to apt-get dist-upgrade my sarge installation. Always stops with a size mismatch error. |
| 13:22.52 | Mase | h3sp4wn: thank you |
| 13:22.55 | tarzeau | humbolto: try another mirror? |
| 13:22.58 | h3sp4wn | psbase: still very strange |
| 13:23.00 | tarzeau | humbolto: to etch, right? |
| 13:23.00 | psbase | h3sp4wn: except if syslog is actually not syslog. maybe I should telnet that... |
| 13:23.17 | humbolto | tarzeau: no to sarge |
| 13:23.31 | h3sp4wn | psbase: why is syslog listening on a port ? |
| 13:23.33 | tarzeau | humbolto: but aren't you on sarge already? |
| 13:23.36 | psbase | h3sp4wn: UDP *:514 |
| 13:23.43 | tarzeau | humbolto: you know sarge is old-stable? |
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| 13:23.53 | psbase | h3sp4wn isn't that syslog? |
| 13:23.59 | humbolto | tarzeau: yes, but I don't remember if I installed that system prior to sarge being stable |
| 13:24.21 | tarzeau | humbolto: i don't know either |
| 13:24.30 | humbolto | tarzeau: for now, I am happy if it is back up and running again. |
| 13:24.40 | h3sp4wn | psbase: My syslog here is not listening on a port - but it could be that the people who setup the vps have it setup to log remotely to their syslog server |
| 13:24.57 | h3sp4wn | psbase: I would ask the isp to take a look |
| 13:25.21 | snirks | how does a syslog recieve logs if its not listening on a port? |
| 13:25.28 | tarzeau | snirks: udp |
| 13:25.33 | petemc | socket |
| 13:25.41 | psbase | h3sp4wn: ok thanx man, I appreciate your input. |
| 13:25.43 | snirks | socket as in local? |
| 13:25.53 | tarzeau | snirks: udp is connectionless |
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| 13:26.12 | snirks | yes but it would still need a "port", wouldnt it? |
| 13:26.36 | snirks | maybe i need to read more |
| 13:26.45 | petemc | read up on unix sockets |
| 13:26.57 | snirks | i will |
| 13:27.05 | petemc | great! |
| 13:27.16 | petemc | have a paper on my desk by 9am tomorrow |
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| 13:27.48 | Sebboh | cydork, yes! thank you. |
| 13:27.49 | snirks | i 1/2'ly understand that it doesnt need a port since its connectionless, but then i dont quite understand why |
| 13:27.49 | Sebboh | =) |
| 13:27.49 | Sebboh | bye all |
| 13:28.00 | sn0 | heyho, just a little question, when is icedove 2 going to be in debian ? icedove 1.5 is in experimental and unstable at the mo |
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| 13:29.44 | combotfighter | is there any possibility to suspend my hdd when inactive? hdparm or so? |
| 13:29.58 | MatBoy | does nmap has some cache or something ? On one host I get that ports are open that are closed... nmap is scanning the whole host with -P0 in some seconds... from another host it it takes forever and it shows me the ports that are really open... what can be wrong in NMAP ? |
| 13:29.59 | wols_ | combotfighter: yes |
| 13:30.02 | asg | combotfighter: the hdparm manpage has an option. |
| 13:30.07 | wols_ | sleep command after X time of inactivity |
| 13:30.13 | h3sp4wn | sn0: Is icedove a GNU thing ? |
| 13:30.22 | sn0 | h3sp4wn its thunderbird free'd :) |
| 13:30.25 | h3sp4wn | sn0: Or is it done by debian |
| 13:30.33 | sn0 | its done by debian i believe |
| 13:30.40 | snirks | i was wondering about some TV/radio thing.. is there some law stating compatibility with multicasting? like in the case of incoming nuclear missile (or whatever, V for Vendetta too) every TV would show the same pictures |
| 13:30.40 | sn0 | same with iceweasel |
| 13:30.45 | combotfighter | wols_ & asg: "man hdparm"? |
| 13:30.46 | h3sp4wn | sn0: (there is 2 iceweasels) |
| 13:30.52 | snirks | ? |
| 13:30.53 | wols_ | yes |
| 13:30.55 | h3sp4wn | sn0: one based on 1.5 (done by gnu) |
| 13:31.21 | sn0 | yes i have iceweasel 2, thats fine |
| 13:31.26 | sn0 | just wondering about the mail side |
| 13:31.27 | combotfighter | hdparm not installed? is that pollible? |
| 13:31.32 | combotfighter | *possible |
| 13:31.46 | stew | combotfighter: certainly |
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| 13:31.58 | stew | combotfighter: it is generally not needed |
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| 13:32.33 | combotfighter | okay, it wasn't installed :)# |
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| 13:33.16 | snirks | tarzeau: but UDP being connectionless, the syslog needs to know what belongs to his service, and what is a packet for the http service |
| 13:33.27 | snirks | tarzeau: and you can run both on the same system |
| 13:33.31 | snirks | tarzeau: so you would need a port |
| 13:33.40 | snirks | tarzeau: this is why i dont get it |
| 13:33.51 | stew | snirks: are you asking about syslog receiving log messages from another machine? or receiving messages from other processes on the same machine? |
| 13:33.51 | h3sp4wn | sn0: Ask the maintainer ? |
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| 13:34.00 | snirks | steve: im talking not locally, yes |
| 13:34.11 | snirks | network |
| 13:34.44 | stew | snirks: then it does need a port. and the -r switch |
| 13:34.46 | sn0 | h3sp4wn found him on packages.qa.debian, thanks |
| 13:34.59 | snirks | stew: thanks for clarify :) |
| 13:35.04 | snirks | ing |
| 13:35.17 | stew | snirks: if you need that set, do that in /etc/default/syslogd |
| 13:36.39 | snirks | steve: was more a clarifying matter and you clarified it, so thanks :) |
| 13:36.40 | stew | snirks: 'man 8 sysklogd' and read the 'SUPPORT FOR REMOTE LOGGING' section |
| 13:36.54 | omri | why am I getting permission denied when trying to write to NFS mounts? my exports file looks like this: /var/nfsnetboot 10.0.0.0/8(rw) |
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| 13:37.17 | snirks | ACLs on the destination? |
| 13:37.31 | omri | snirks, you're talking to me? |
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| 13:37.34 | snirks | y |
| 13:37.37 | christianp | hi * |
| 13:37.39 | snirks | yes |
| 13:37.44 | stew | omri: who are you tring to write as? and what are the permissions on the remote directory? |
| 13:37.49 | omri | hmm.. I'm new to NFS; didn't know there are ACLs; how do I do that? |
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| 13:37.58 | omri | stew; root |
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| 13:38.25 | stew | omri: right, root is not allowed by default |
| 13:38.57 | stew | omri: 'man exports' and search for root and read about root squash |
| 13:39.02 | christianp | does anyone can help me in configuring my touchpad? all was right in ubuntu, but now i installed etch and it seems not to work correctly: the cursor is very slow and it doesn't recognize the click when i push on it |
| 13:39.02 | sn0 | mail sent, thx all <3 |
| 13:39.07 | snirks | omri: its like permissions to write to a random service, but the random service needs the right permissions to write to something further (e.g. a disk) |
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| 13:39.40 | omri | ok; I'll read about that |
| 13:39.44 | omri | thanks |
| 13:39.53 | sn0 | christianp im not sure but maybe you need to install xserver-xorg-input-synaptics or configure synaptics correctly |
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| 13:39.55 | snirks | its easiest to understand with windows and NTFS (in my opinion) |
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| 13:40.08 | snirks | you can set full rights on a group |
| 13:40.10 | sn0 | there is a package called gsynaptics that can change settings on the fly |
| 13:40.14 | snirks | and finetune it with NTFS rights |
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| 13:40.30 | h3sp4wn | snirks: NTFS acl's is one of the worst things I ever had to do its horrible to get them right |
| 13:40.48 | snirks | its not easy, no :/ |
| 13:40.54 | snirks | and if you asked me to do it now i wouldnt be able to |
| 13:40.59 | snirks | i just know the principle :p |
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| 13:42.26 | snirks | i wish i knew less about everything and more in-depth about a few things |
| 13:42.46 | snirks | but life does not have enouygh time |
| 13:42.54 | sn0 | snirks indeed :) |
| 13:42.54 | snirks | + the moron that invented day/night |
| 13:43.11 | snirks | and the clock |
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| 13:43.58 | iturk | hi there friends what should put in the options in fstab file in order for a user to be able to mount a partition ? |
| 13:44.07 | jelly | hm, can someone on sid try "aptitude changelog proftpd"? I smell a bug. |
| 13:44.11 | iturk | and not only root ! |
| 13:44.39 | snirks | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fstab |
| 13:44.42 | stew | iturk: 'user' |
| 13:44.58 | christianp | sn0: it's installed... how can i configure it? |
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| 13:45.02 | sn0 | jelly E: Couldn't fetch URL http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/p/proftpd-dfsg/proftpd-dfsg_1.3.0-22+b1/changelog |
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| 13:45.17 | jelly | sn0: thanks |
| 13:45.27 | sn0 | christianp use the tool i mentioned, and check the man page ;) |
| 13:45.33 | liable | anyone good with git/cogito? |
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| 13:45.34 | iturk | stew: and permissions to access it ? |
| 13:45.48 | stew | iturk: what filesystem is it? |
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| 13:46.16 | iturk | stew: ntfs |
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| 13:46.24 | stew | iturk: uid/gid/umask |
| 13:46.29 | christianp | ok, i'll try... thanks |
| 13:46.35 | stew | iturk: read 'man mount' for their meanings |
| 13:46.47 | stew | iturk: or /msg dpkg ntfsro |
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| 13:47.56 | bykte | what do i do if apt-get update fails? |
| 13:48.22 | chops | bykte: How does it fail? |
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| 13:48.29 | asg | bykte: /msg dpkg dynamic mmap |
| 13:48.45 | beap | nebody successfull compiling/installing xchat-2.8.xx? |
| 13:49.05 | beap | in etch? |
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| 13:50.13 | maci | hmm is alioth.debian.org down ? |
| 13:50.14 | markybob | it's being upgraded |
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| 13:50.45 | yage | How can i create an authoritative server for 10.in-addr.arpa. without being authoritative for the root "." level? |
| 13:51.03 | xand | ##networking |
| 13:51.05 | bykte | asg, do i include the ' ? |
| 13:51.37 | asg | bykte: no |
| 13:51.42 | bykte | ok thanks got it |
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| 13:52.09 | concept10 | Wyzard, 2.8 is nice, but not much difference |
| 13:52.18 | sgeigerbot | yage: whata are you trying to do? |
| 13:52.25 | maci | markybob: ok, thanks. any idea when it will be up again ? |
| 13:52.54 | Wyzard | concept10: Tell that to beap, who's trying to compile it |
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| 13:53.34 | concept10 | The only difference I really see is the tray icon |
| 13:53.42 | yage | i have an authoritative dns for my domain foo.com and for foo.loc, i'd like to provide also reverse dns lookups on internal network for foo.loc which is in 10.0.0.0/8 subnet. I've successfully created ".loc" zone, but i can't create "10.in-addr.arpa" zone because root servers map them to 2 iana NS |
| 13:53.58 | markybob | maci you'll have better luck asking in #alioth on irc.debian.org |
| 13:54.17 | maci | markybob: ok, i guess ill just wait. im not in a rush :) |
| 13:54.22 | Wyzard | concept10: 2.6 already has a tray icon... did it change somehow? |
| 13:54.27 | beap | concept10, u succed compiling/installing under etch? |
| 13:54.42 | maci | bye |
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| 13:55.14 | sn0 | http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.announce/1083 |
| 13:55.16 | sn0 | ah hes gone :) |
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| 13:55.33 | concept10 | beap, I have it on a ubuntu box, i didnt compile it |
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| 13:56.32 | beap | :( debian etch hav diffrnt issue on xchat 2.8 |
| 13:56.51 | Wyzard | beap: Why are you trying to compile 2.8? |
| 13:57.08 | concept10 | Wyzard, maybe it flashes? I dont use it.. windows made me hate tray icons |
| 13:57.26 | beap | Wyzard, i just need to try |
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| 13:58.28 | Wyzard | beap: It's best to avoid compiling things from source unless you have a specific need for them and you know what you're doing |
| 13:58.42 | beap | Wyzard, :) |
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| 13:59.12 | Wyzard | beap: since non-packaged stuff is just a bunch of files dumped on your system -- doesn't satisfy package dependencies, can't be automatically upgraded or removed by dpkg, and doesn't get security fixes from the Debian security team |
| 13:59.28 | iturk | stew: ok thanks |
| 13:59.42 | Wyzard | beap: Unless you have some compelling need for xchat 2.8 rather than 2.6, stick with the packaged 2.6 |
| 14:00.07 | beap | Wyzard, ic. thnx for the info |
| 14:00.08 | iturk | hey guys i am trying to play some mp3 in xmms but no sound is comming out. I just install debian etch. What it could be the problem ? |
| 14:00.21 | h3sp4wn | beap: or just wait until 2.8 gets into lenny (and ask the maintainer to upload it to backports.org - if its possible) |
| 14:00.29 | sn0 | itchi you need to install the gstreamer ugly package |
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| 14:00.34 | sn0 | and possibly more, for other codecs |
| 14:00.41 | beap | h3sp4wn, lenny is based on etch |
| 14:01.09 | beap | still cant install :( |
| 14:01.09 | sn0 | gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly |
| 14:01.09 | beap | but neways im enlightnd! lol |
| 14:01.12 | h3sp4wn | beap: Its in unstable but they won't do a backport until it is in testing |
| 14:01.25 | h3sp4wn | beap: takes minimum 10 days |
| 14:01.30 | asg | h3sp4wn: he could attempt a simple sid backport |
| 14:01.31 | Wyzard | h3sp4wn: I'm running unstable and I don't see it here... |
| 14:01.47 | Wyzard | I have 2.6.8 |
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| 14:01.48 | asg | !info xchat sid |
| 14:01.49 | dpkg | xchat: (IRC client for X similar to AmIRC), section net, is optional. Version: 2.6.8-0.3 (sid), Packaged size: 281 kB, Installed size: 748 kB |
| 14:02.01 | h3sp4wn | sorry (got confused) just saw the .8 |
| 14:02.21 | Wyzard | understandable |
| 14:02.28 | beap | :P |
| 14:02.30 | Yvonne | beap: you'll need gtk2.10.x to be able to compile xchat 2.8.x in etch |
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| 14:02.52 | beap | Yvonne, i installed that but failed still |
| 14:03.01 | beap | maybe its unsupported |
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| 14:03.10 | Wyzard | and that's an upgrade that's not worth doing |
| 14:03.17 | illo | iturk, try to see if your user is in group audio, esp if you can play mp3s as root (not recommended). Else i'd see what alsamixer says |
| 14:03.18 | beap | ok |
| 14:03.20 | Yvonne | beap: which errormessages are you getting? |
| 14:03.22 | Wyzard | gtk 2.10 needs rebuilds of the theme engines, etc. |
| 14:04.04 | h3sp4wn | Is it possible gtk 2.10 is part of the gnome 2.16 backport |
| 14:04.21 | beap | Yvonne, "make --disable-perl" works but during "make install" it made some errors |
| 14:04.21 | Wyzard | maybe, but I doubt such a backport exists yet |
| 14:04.22 | iturk | illo: no sound on root |
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| 14:04.44 | beap | Yvonne, im scared trying more |
| 14:04.49 | Yvonne | beap: which errors? |
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| 14:04.58 | illo | iturk, so try running alsamixer maybe it gives out useful error |
| 14:04.58 | Wyzard | beap: Don't bother with compiling it |
| 14:05.05 | Wyzard | beap: Just use 2.6 |
| 14:05.11 | beap | k |
| 14:05.13 | Wyzard | beap: That's the supported version in etch |
| 14:05.25 | iturk | illo: i am installing alsa-utils now |
| 14:05.40 | beap | Yvonne, sorry i cant recompile coz i already deleted the source |
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| 14:06.00 | Yvonne | beap: ok, I don't have any problems with it |
| 14:06.06 | illo | iturk, those should have been installed by etch IIRC. Maybe etch installer didn't get your audio card right |
| 14:06.20 | beap | Yvonne, maybe somehow u can help me :P |
| 14:06.40 | illo | iturk, so i guess you'll have to do alsaconf and stuff yourself. |
| 14:06.52 | iturk | illo: actually i dont have any audio controller in lspci |
| 14:07.01 | Yvonne | beap: yeah, but it would be handy to know which error messages you are getting then :) |
| 14:07.02 | illo | iturk that might be a hint :) |
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| 14:07.55 | illo | iturk, but i can't help down to the hw recognition level :) |
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| 14:09.08 | iturk | illo: alsamixer says Card: HDA Intel Chip: Realtek ALC880 |
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| 14:10.01 | iturk | illo: ok i push the bars up now it's comming out sound |
| 14:10.06 | iturk | great thanks |
| 14:10.09 | illo | iturk, are the volume bars for master and pcm set somewhere around h... yes |
| 14:10.11 | illo | hehe |
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| 14:10.40 | illo | you're welcome, iturk |
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| 14:13.11 | Xsnoopy | are there at the moment some problems with some dhcp servers and the netinstall? it doesn't find a route to internet and it uses the lan ip of the host computer (i want to install debian into a vm) |
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| 14:13.59 | Xsnoopy | can i define a route to the internet manually? |
| 14:14.22 | Xsnoopy | cause i configured the eth0 manually too |
| 14:14.40 | liable | sure, man route, has examples |
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| 14:15.10 | liable | route add -net default gw xxxxx dev foo |
| 14:15.30 | Xsnoopy | at debug shell? |
| 14:15.43 | liable | whats debug shell? |
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| 14:15.56 | Xsnoopy | the shell i can use while netinstall is running |
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| 14:16.21 | Xsnoopy | but route seems to work, thanks :) |
| 14:16.23 | liable | if its got ifconfig, route should be available |
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| 14:17.36 | iturk | guys any w(aplication) for wmaker for showing the battery level ? |
| 14:17.50 | panthera | wmacpi |
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| 14:20.31 | iturk | panthera: thanks |
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| 14:20.41 | mattwalston | anyone have a suggestion for a commercially supported directory service for Linux? |
| 14:20.55 | asg | mattwalston: redhat has one |
| 14:21.31 | mattwalston | asg, thanks, i expected there to be more players... i was trying to avoid rolling around in rpm hell |
| 14:21.42 | asg | mattwalston: Novell also has their EDirectory |
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| 14:21.53 | mattwalston | asg, thanks, I will look into it |
| 14:22.26 | asg | mattwalston: also, since HP provides Debian support, it might be possible to propose the use of OpenLDAP. You might want to verify with them first though. |
| 14:23.00 | schme | I think Novell has one too. |
| 14:23.18 | mattwalston | asg, ok, definitely worth investigating... i have had issues with the openldap package before but it has been a long time |
| 14:24.14 | asg | mattwalston: depending on your requirements, it's pretty trivial to integrate Linux systems with Active Directory these days |
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| 14:24.53 | mattwalston | asg, we have no windows systems anymore |
| 14:25.10 | asg | mattwalston: cool |
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| 14:25.29 | asg | mattwalston: Sun also has directory services if you want to go the Solaris route |
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| 14:26.18 | mattwalston | asg, honestly our computers are pretty simple, we have 45 workstations and 12 thin clients that do internet and openoffice type apps, zimbra mail, and in-house developed erm for our construction company |
| 14:26.33 | mattwalston | asg, erm is php based |
| 14:27.02 | asg | mattwalston: ah, okay. Then anything above will fit the bill. Depending on your security posture, you could even use NIS |
| 14:27.48 | mattwalston | asg, nis would not allow for single sign-on with zimbra though, or i would... much easier |
| 14:27.57 | h3sp4wn | there is the one forked from the netscape directory server also |
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| 14:28.07 | h3sp4wn | (by redhat) |
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| 14:28.51 | mattwalston | asg, not to mention all equipment is locked up with only mouse, kbd, lcd, and scanner accessable |
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| 14:29.48 | asg | mattwalston: does zimbra not support using PAM or only raw LDAP? |
| 14:30.12 | mattwalston | asg, zimbra allows for ldap and ad via ldap |
| 14:30.22 | asg | mattwalston: ah, pity. |
| 14:31.01 | mattwalston | asg, ironically it runs its own openldap, perhaps i could just add schema for other info to the zimbra openldap and auth against it |
| 14:31.29 | asg | mattwalston: possibly |
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| 14:39.20 | LinkinTurk | hi to everyone. |
| 14:39.42 | LinkinTurk | i need debian 3.1 (sarge) minimal boot cd (netinstall) where i can get it= |
| 14:39.44 | LinkinTurk | ? |
| 14:41.35 | epsilon | ftp://ftp.<countrycode>.debian.org |
| 14:41.36 | LinkinTurk | !dpkg sarge installer |
| 14:41.44 | Ronin | !tell LinkinTurk about sarge |
| 14:41.44 | LinkinTurk | dpkg: sarge installer |
| 14:41.45 | dpkg | methinks sarge installer is http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ |
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| 14:41.51 | FJ_Sanchez | Someone can tell me if mod_tidy is in debian? |
| 14:41.54 | LinkinTurk | thank you dpkg ;) |
| 14:41.54 | dpkg | de rien, LinkinTurk |
| 14:41.57 | FJ_Sanchez | For apache2 |
| 14:42.47 | agent | Anyone know of a good tutorial on touch-typing with modifier keys? I already touch-type, but noticed that I am not very efficient when using modifiers (like screen or emacs or whatnot). |
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| 14:44.07 | eMish | WHich pkg has /usr/bin/bunzip2 ? |
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| 14:44.30 | JosefAssad | apt-cache search bunzip2 |
| 14:44.37 | eMish | no putput |
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| 14:44.52 | h3sp4wn | bzip2 |
| 14:45.13 | LinkinTurk | apt-cache search *zip* |
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| 14:47.09 | SoulChild | why am i not able to unmount devices, that are automaticly mounted on boot ? |
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| 14:47.53 | xand | SoulChild: like what? what happens when you try? etc |
| 14:47.54 | thepumpkin1979__ | hi. |
| 14:48.03 | xand | why hello ther |
| 14:48.05 | xand | r |
| 14:48.07 | xand | bah |
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| 14:48.49 | thepumpkin1979__ | I install ssh in ubuntu and from windows I can upload files to my folder. how I do that with debian? |
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| 14:49.12 | SoulChild | xand: i get error message that only root can unmount ... although i put user to fstab |
| 14:49.16 | Ronin | thepumpkin1979__: the same way |
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| 14:49.38 | xand | SoulChild: if the user didn't mount it, they can't unmount it |
| 14:49.39 | thepumpkin1979__ | Ronin, WinSCP gives me a error: "Connection Refused" |
| 14:49.44 | xand | SoulChild: try changing it from user to users |
| 14:49.50 | Ronin | thepumpkin1979__: is ssh running on the debian machine? |
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| 14:50.07 | thepumpkin1979__ | Yes Ronin, it is running. |
| 14:50.37 | Ronin | and you're not doing it as root? correct port? |
| 14:50.49 | xand | using root wouldn't affect that |
| 14:50.50 | Ronin | thepumpkin1979__: what do the ssh log files say as well? |
| 14:50.59 | xand | !connection refused |
| 14:50.59 | dpkg | When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running on the specified ip address at all (apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things. |
| 14:51.29 | Ronin | xand: can one winscp as a root user? |
| 14:51.29 | xand | Ronin: see above |
| 14:51.34 | xand | Ronin: connection refused means it doesn't get as far as authentication |
| 14:52.39 | thepumpkin1979__ | xand, the port was wrong. no i'm connecting the in correct port but the following error is showed: Received too largue |
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| 14:52.39 | thepumpkin1979__ | Max supported package size is... |
| 14:52.39 | xand | Ronin: and by default on debian, root can login to ssh unfortunately |
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| 14:52.39 | Ronin | xand:one of the first things i fix |
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| 14:53.28 | SoulChild | xand: thanks that worked |
| 14:53.40 | xand | Ronin: me too |
| 14:53.44 | thepumpkin1979__ | I solve the problem: my .bashrc has a greeting message. |
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| 14:53.59 | thepumpkin1979__ | i remove it and it works.t ahnks Ronin and xand. |
| 14:54.03 | xand | right |
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| 14:54.08 | vchrizz | hi |
| 14:54.19 | vchrizz | what is better, have more highmem or more lowmem? |
| 14:54.21 | xand | Ronin: I might file a bug report about it one day, as it's a stupid setting |
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| 14:55.54 | FJ_Sanchez | I need help installing a apache2 module... |
| 14:56.00 | FJ_Sanchez | It's mod_tidy |
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| 14:56.14 | FJ_Sanchez | I've compiled it, but install fails... |
| 14:56.34 | Bruno_ | where can i download lenny? |
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| 14:56.46 | stew | Bruno_: http://debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 14:56.56 | M4lloc | thanks |
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| 14:57.34 | asg | save the whales, free the m4llocs |
| 14:58.08 | GaiaX11 | Hi. I have I server here that has a big problem with its linux kernel. I can't access the system. So, can I install the kernel again with a debian cd without loosing my data? |
| 14:58.42 | asg | GaiaX11: yes, boot with the cd, chroot into the existing system, fix your kernel. |
| 14:59.29 | GaiaX11 | asg: which is the command to fix it? |
| 14:59.56 | asg | GaiaX11: it depends on why it's broken. Did it work at one point? If so, what did you change? |
| 15:00.20 | snirks | does the various new live CDs (especially debian based stuff) have problems on Dell laptops with 1900x1200 widescreen monitors? |
| 15:00.47 | snirks | both debian etch and ubuntu/kubuntu only displays blarghle |
| 15:00.49 | GaiaX11 | asg: It was working normally and then I cannot access the system now |
| 15:01.13 | asg | GaiaX11: are there any error messages on console? |
| 15:01.25 | h3sp4wn | snirks: intel video card ? |
| 15:01.27 | asg | GaiaX11: and how are you trying to access the system? |
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| 15:01.37 | snirks | h3sp4wn: no, nv gf go 7900 gs |
| 15:02.03 | GaiaX11 | asg: trying to access in the normal way (grub) |
| 15:02.04 | iturk_ | hi there friends the icons in my wmaker after i reiniciate X they get very little. How can i correct the situation ? |
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| 15:17.03 | *** topic/#debian is ETCH IS NOW STABLE: /msg dpkg etch | /msg dpkg sarge->etch ! Lenny is the new testing! | /msg dpkg lenny | /msg dpkg etch->lenny | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC | /msg dpkg bts | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java |
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| 15:17.28 | GaiaX11 | asg: version numbers |
| 15:18.02 | asg | GaiaX11: apt-cache policy <pkg> will show you. After a reboot, uname -a will tell you what version is installed. |
| 15:18.45 | GaiaX11 | asg: great! thx |
| 15:18.47 | rgsteele | Hm. Anybody know of a good Debian systems administration certification program? |
| 15:18.53 | GaiaX11 | asg: I will have a go |
| 15:18.53 | rgsteele | I dunno why that occurred to me today. |
| 15:19.09 | rgsteele | But it seems like good resume fodder. |
| 15:19.11 | asg | GaiaX11: good luck. There are lots of people in here that can help if you still encounter errors. |
| 15:19.12 | wols_ | rgsteele: easy, become a DD :) |
| 15:19.22 | rgsteele | wols_: DD? |
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| 15:19.29 | wols_ | debian developer :) |
| 15:19.42 | asg | wols_: he'd like to get the credential on his resume this century though |
| 15:19.48 | rgsteele | Heh. |
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| 15:20.25 | wols_ | asg: details, details... |
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| 15:21.57 | DawnLight | no one is paying attention to me today :( |
| 15:22.02 | peeks | hi all |
| 15:22.22 | GaiaX11 | Now. How do I see only my lines for printing |
| 15:22.26 | abrotman | !kp |
| 15:22.26 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
| 15:22.29 | peeks | i have a small problem on my laptop ... if i unplug the power chord and plug it in again, battery stops charging - the battery applet says "fully charged" whatever the percentage is - does anyone have any idea what the problem might be ? |
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| 15:24.42 | DawnLight | thanks abrotman! that readme is from 2003. is it still good? |
| 15:24.47 | GaiaX11 | I talked above with asg and I'd like to see only my talk for printing the infos. Now how do I see it? With is the irc command for that? |
| 15:24.59 | abrotman | DawnLight: should be |
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| 15:27.00 | stoned | GaiaX11: depending on your IRC client, /lastlog asg |
| 15:27.01 | stoned | maybe |
| 15:27.01 | ftp3 | is it possible to have my debian box send all outgoing mail by authenticating with my work smtp server? |
| 15:27.01 | asg | ftp3: yes |
| 15:27.01 | Ronin | ftp3: yes assuming your work admins aprove |
| 15:27.01 | GaiaX11 | stoned: Great. Many thx. Got it! |
| 15:27.01 | ftp3 | asg/ronin, yeah, I have my own login/pw for smtp and they want me to use it when sending from home. Can you guys point me in a direction to learn to do it? |
| 15:27.01 | Ronin | ftp3: they dont have webmail set up? |
| 15:27.01 | asg | ftp3: which MTA are you using? |
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| 15:27.18 | ftp3 | asg, at home, exim, but i can put anything on it |
| 15:27.45 | asg | ftp3: look at the exim spec for smtp auth and starttls (/usr/share/doc/exim*/spec.txt.gz or similar) |
| 15:27.59 | ftp3 | asg: thanks |
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| 15:31.41 | dutchfish | i am installing (again) a new debian etch gnome system, i have 1280x960 24bit res, but setting it to 1400x900 makes HRez 57khz and it should be 56khz, how can i solve this? Is there a modeline wich i can force it for that resolution to 56Khz HRez? |
| 15:31.45 | gniretar_work | does anyone know of any documentation for the perl debconf module? |
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| 15:32.29 | Thms | when I changed my internet connection form eth0 to wlan0, how to set all things to use wlan0 instead of eth0 ? |
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| 15:32.51 | asg | gniretar_work: if you run perldoc on the module, does it return anything interesting? |
| 15:32.53 | sgeigerbot | Thms: "all things" means what? |
| 15:33.01 | n3kl_ | Hi. I keep reading all this stuff about being about to install debian on a raid array with the new deb installer, but I downloded the latest disk last night and try to install this morning and I could not figure it out. Anyone know where I could find more information? |
| 15:33.05 | wols_ | Thms: edit /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 15:33.11 | gniretar_work | asg: it does but its pitiful and useless |
| 15:33.27 | tarzeau | is there any mcedit fans? |
| 15:33.33 | sgeigerbot | Thms: perhaps you are wondering about the routing table? |
| 15:33.44 | asg | gniretar_work: you might find which package installed it and see if there is anything in the /usr/share/doc/<pkg>/* directory |
| 15:33.47 | wols_ | tarzeau: not here. but someone who gave me a shell does |
| 15:33.49 | stew | is mcedit a dope lyricist? |
| 15:33.57 | wols_ | his "editor" is mcedit |
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| 15:34.03 | wols_ | *shudder* |
| 15:34.04 | sgeigerbot | tarzeau: Is anyone using that software? Yes...or very likely...or otherwise you wouldn't be trying to use it. Why are you conducting a software-usage poll instead of just asking your question? Are you asking to ask? Don't ask to ask...just ask. The Ask-To-Ask Protocol v 1.0 wastes more bandwidth than any version of the Ask Protocol. |
| 15:34.10 | tarzeau | wols_: really? can you find out if he can make emacs act like mcedit? i've got a good start here: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/conf/dotemacs |
| 15:34.28 | tarzeau | sgeigerbot: i want my emacs to be like mcedit |
| 15:34.33 | sgeigerbot | tarzeau: how's it going? :-) |
| 15:34.34 | abrotman | so write it |
| 15:34.41 | tarzeau | sgeigerbot: fine and you? |
| 15:34.43 | stew | wols_: if you isntall mcedit, i believe it has a good chance of becoming your editor alternative without action from you (depending on what else you have installed) |
| 15:34.48 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm working on it |
| 15:34.53 | tarzeau | stew: it's an editor |
| 15:34.58 | abrotman | or ask #emacs ? |
| 15:35.00 | stew | it's a joke |
| 15:35.02 | wols_ | stew: I asked. he did it deliberately... |
| 15:35.08 | dutchfish | or: ho can i calculate a modeline for device in xorg? |
| 15:35.11 | archangelpetro | How does one tell if theyre actually using their NVIDIA driver? |
| 15:35.12 | wols_ | and uninstalled vi(m). the horror |
| 15:35.44 | Maerz | my networkdriver seem to be unavailable for some times, what could that be? it effects e.g pinging, surfing taking up to 2 min to get a response |
| 15:35.49 | wols_ | archangelpetro: glxinfo |
| 15:36.03 | Thms | when I changed my internet connection form eth0 to wlan0, how to set all things to use wlan0 instead of eth0 ? |
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| 15:36.23 | asg | Thms: ifdown eth0 ; ifup wlan0 |
| 15:36.27 | archangelpetro | wols_, i dont have that command? |
| 15:36.47 | h3sp4wn | Maerz: what driver is it ? |
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| 15:36.54 | stew | archangelpetro: its in mesa-utils |
| 15:36.57 | wols_ | !tell archangelpetro about search |
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| 15:37.28 | endr[a] | hey |
| 15:37.33 | endr[a] | how can I take a screenshot? |
| 15:37.35 | dutchfish | i am installing (again) a new debian etch gnome system, i have 1280x960 24bit res, but setting it to 1400x900 makes HRez 57khz and it should be 56khz, how can i solve this? Is there a modeline wich i can force it for that resolution to 56Khz HRez? Its a screen HP w19 |
| 15:37.37 | asg | !screenshot |
| 15:37.37 | dpkg | hmm... screenshot is 'import -window root screenshot.jpg' (requires imagemagick), or The Gimp's 'acquire -> screenshot' feature. The package scrot does a nice job too, command line, date & size shot at and png format. or man xwd |
| 15:37.38 | stew | !ss |
| 15:37.38 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ss is screenshot is 'import -window root screenshot.jpg' (requires imagemagick), or The Gimp's 'acquire -> screenshot' feature. The package scrot does a nice job too, command line, date & size shot at and png format. or man xwd |
| 15:38.00 | omri | how can I connect to a remote X server? what special options does the server need? |
| 15:38.03 | h3sp4wn | dutchfish: using any binary drivers ? |
| 15:38.12 | endr[a] | can't I just enable the print screen key somehow |
| 15:38.20 | chops | omri: ssh -X should work for most needs |
| 15:38.27 | Maerz | h3sp4wn how to get that informtion ? |
| 15:38.35 | stew | endr[a]: that would depend on your desktop environment |
| 15:38.36 | dutchfish | h3sp4wn, not sure its a fresh default grapichal desktop |
| 15:38.45 | h3sp4wn | dutchfish: You are not then |
| 15:38.46 | endr[a] | I assume I have to go ask in their channel |
| 15:38.51 | omri | hmm... I'm making a thin client; I want the server to run X and the clients to connect to it |
| 15:38.52 | Hoxzer | is it possible to replace testing packages with stable ones? |
| 15:38.56 | omri | when they connect XDM will appear |
| 15:39.03 | stew | endr[a]: someone here may know |
| 15:39.04 | liable | Hoxzer: depends |
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| 15:39.14 | h3sp4wn | Maerz: ethtool -i eth0 (for example) as root (aptitude install ethtool if you don't have it) |
| 15:39.15 | liable | Hoxzer: on their depends ;) |
| 15:39.17 | endr[a] | My desktop envo is KDE |
| 15:39.17 | dutchfish | h3sp4wn, i dont care about hardware accelaration, just want native res for the screen |
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| 15:39.21 | stew | Hoxzer: probably, but why? |
| 15:39.46 | Hoxzer | stew: :P I had testing settings in my source and my system kinda sneaked to the lenny |
| 15:39.51 | dutchfish | h3sp4wn, its working ok, on 1280x960 |
| 15:39.56 | h3sp4wn | dutchfish: I only know about how to deal with that issue with nvidia-glx (which you are definately not using) |
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| 15:40.08 | Hoxzer | THere is no real reason for me to use testing |
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| 15:40.11 | dutchfish | h3sp4wn, ati 200 card |
| 15:40.18 | Hoxzer | as etch is now stable |
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| 15:41.00 | dutchfish | h3sp4wn, all i want to know is how to calculate a modeline for the device section of /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 15:41.20 | stew | dutchfish: if you google, you'll find online modeline generators |
| 15:41.37 | dutchfish | h3sp4wn, ok, ill try that |
| 15:41.41 | |ericsson| | With two network cards in a workstation, would I be able to connect a second machine and use that one as a server? |
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| 15:42.01 | chops | |ericsson|: You would be able to do that even without two network cards in your workstation |
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| 15:42.13 | chops | |ericsson|: :-) |
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| 15:42.34 | |ericsson| | chops: I only have one extension from the wall socket for netaccess |
| 15:42.47 | chops | |ericsson|: Buying a switch would be the ordinary solution to that problem |
| 15:42.48 | |ericsson| | chops: and no hub/router ;) |
| 15:43.05 | Gerat | blah |
| 15:43.14 | chops | |ericsson|: But you can also do it with two network cards, and forwarding/bridging (or not do forwarding, and leave your server unable to communicate with the external network) |
| 15:43.52 | h3sp4wn | |ericsson|: If you want to bridge you might need proxy_arp |
| 15:44.04 | felipe_ | hello good morning how can i specify more than one ip adress in a iptables rule, for example something like this, iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 80 -d ! 200.21.86.226, ! $my_local_web_server -j REDIRECT --to-port 3128 |
| 15:44.06 | |ericsson| | chops: but adding two n/w cards in the server and use it as gateway for the workstation, that would give both access? |
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| 15:44.25 | chops | |ericsson|: The easiest way is to change your existing eth0 (or whatever) configuration to be for br0, add eth0 and eth1 to br0 using brctl, plug in the server to eth1 (or whatever), and be good to go |
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| 15:44.35 | chops | |ericsson|: Make sure not to give eth0 and eth1 their own IP addresses |
| 15:44.51 | dutchfish | stew, i found some but they are wrong about the Hfreq they also produce 57Khz while it should be 56Khz for my resolution, can you point me to 1 that is suitable for xorg? |
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| 15:45.10 | |ericsson| | chops: I thought they needed separate ip's to operate? |
| 15:45.24 | |ericsson| | chops: or is it only when bridging the should be the same? |
| 15:45.31 | chops | |ericsson|: Your server and your workstation will have different IPs |
| 15:45.43 | stew | dutchfish: i dunno |
| 15:45.44 | chops | |ericsson|: eth0 and eth1 will have no IP addresses, only br0 will have an IP address |
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| 15:45.57 | chops | |ericsson|: Google for 'linux bridging' |
| 15:46.16 | jelly | hi, is there an easy way to pin all the packages built from one source? |
| 15:46.20 | stew | bridging would work if he has multiple ip addresses, if not he needs masquerading |
| 15:46.29 | |ericsson| | chops: ok that makes sense, I'll read up on that, cheers mate |
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| 15:47.30 | chops | |ericsson|: np |
| 15:47.30 | |ericsson| | stew: I only have one designated currently, the others are simply dynamic ones and wouldn't really work, would they? |
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| 15:47.55 | Maerz | k |
| 15:48.10 | stew | |ericsson|: in that case you should look at having the machine with two ethernet cards masquerade for the other. look up masquerading and the ipmasq pacakge |
| 15:48.13 | Maerz | driver: eth1394 \n version: \n firmware-version: \n bus-info: ieee1394 @ h3sp4wn |
| 15:48.21 | Maerz | ups |
| 15:48.23 | Maerz | nah |
| 15:48.25 | Maerz | i use eth1 |
| 15:48.27 | Maerz | so its:# |
| 15:48.33 | Maerz | driver: forcedeth version: 0.59 firmware-version: bus-info: 0000:00:08.0 |
| 15:48.41 | |ericsson| | ok, thank's a million to you aswell stew, now I've got something to read for my bedtime story ;) |
| 15:48.49 | felipe_ | hello good morning, please, how can i specify more than one ip adress in a iptables rule, for example something like this, iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 80 -d ! 200.21.86.226, ! $my_local_web_server -j REDIRECT --to-port 3128 |
| 15:48.52 | TonyRad | I always forget this.. What's the command to check my version? |
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| 15:49.21 | Daveman | felipe :D |
| 15:49.22 | snirks | felipe: maybe wildcards. i dunno |
| 15:49.26 | jelly | What's the best way to disable ipv6 with Debian kernels? |
| 15:49.43 | stew | felipe_: ask #iptables |
| 15:49.56 | iturk | hi there friends i am opening some documents with gvim and it shows some characters with a ?. By the way they are from latin keyboard like é! what can i do to gvim in order for him to display it correctly ? |
| 15:50.01 | valdyn | jelly: blacklist the ipv6 module and reboot |
| 15:50.10 | felipe_ | thanks a lot |
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| 15:50.15 | mattwalston | I have gotten a working openldap server working on a debian box, but when I bind to it, my users prompt shows "I have no name!" |
| 15:50.16 | valdyn | !blacklist |
| 15:50.16 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, do it in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist using "install module_name /bin/true". IMPORTANT: ask about blacklist-initramfs |
| 15:50.23 | felipe | Daveman: different felipe |
| 15:50.30 | mattwalston | Any ideas what could cause this? It does authenticate. |
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| 15:51.20 | valdyn | felipe: make three rules from this |
| 15:51.28 | mattwalston | Also a vdir shows UID's not name |
| 15:51.40 | asg | mattwalston: did you modify /etc/nsswitch.conf to include ldap? |
| 15:51.59 | mattwalston | asg, yeah, files ldap on passwd, group and shadow |
| 15:52.12 | asg | hmmm |
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| 15:52.36 | DavidProck1981 | !pastebin |
| 15:52.36 | dpkg | well, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.ca/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 15:52.53 | liable | thanks for spamming, come again |
| 15:52.58 | felipe | Daveman: but busy, if you want my attention either highlight or privmsg |
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| 15:53.45 | mattwalston | asg, auth.log output if interested: May 10 11:52:36 hydrogen su[10612]: Successful su for first.last by mwalston |
| 15:53.45 | mattwalston | May 10 11:52:36 hydrogen su[10612]: + pts/0 mwalston:first.last |
| 15:53.45 | mattwalston | May 10 11:52:36 hydrogen su[10612]: (pam_unix) session opened for user first.last by (uid=1000) |
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| 15:54.17 | jelly | valdyn: that's quite convoluted, why does simply adding "blacklist ipv6" not work? |
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| 15:54.23 | asg | mattwalston: did you restart openldap after changing the nsswitch.conf? |
| 15:54.50 | mattwalston | no, on client? |
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| 15:55.26 | valdyn | jelly: because that wont make 'modprobe ipv6' not load that module |
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| 15:55.52 | Mark17 | hello |
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| 15:56.12 | jelly | valdyn: but, I'd like modprobe ipv6 to work if I run it manually (which I wont, but...) |
| 15:56.18 | liable | jelly: theres an alias in modutils as well that you can uncomment |
| 15:56.44 | Mark17 | is it possible to install mysql-server-4.1 using apt-get? apt-get install mysql-server-4.1 will install mysql server 5.0 |
| 15:56.44 | valdyn | jelly: you could still use insmod, i dont know if that is safe |
| 15:56.58 | liable | jelly: even when you blacklist it, you can still modprobe it of course |
| 15:57.07 | liable | jelly: it only stops udev loading it |
| 15:57.22 | jelly | valdyn: hm, blacklisting it worked. :-) |
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| 15:57.42 | jelly | liable: oh, alias net-pf-10 off did not work |
| 15:58.41 | jelly | liable: at least, not by itself |
| 15:58.41 | valdyn | jelly: there may only be a specific application doing this 'modprobe ipv6', so you might just not need the 'convoluted' way |
| 15:58.41 | valdyn | jelly: i dont know which program makes the convoluted way necessary |
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| 15:58.41 | liable | jelly: i added an extra line, alias ipv6 off |
| 15:58.42 | jelly | valdyn: thankfully, I didn't need the /bin/true hack, I'm happy with this solution. |
| 15:58.42 | stouse2 | Is there a quick and easy way to "live" edit a GPG-encrypted file? |
| 15:59.18 | stouse2 | Hmm...maybe vipe... |
| 15:59.22 | abrotman | might get more luck in #gnupg |
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| 15:59.36 | AdamPal | Is there any way to dist-upgrade backwards from unstable to stable? |
| 15:59.40 | abrotman | no |
| 15:59.45 | AdamPal | Oh god |
| 15:59.53 | AdamPal | Is there any way at all to get an unstable system to stable? |
| 15:59.57 | jelly | AdamPal: "restore from backups" |
| 16:00.00 | abrotman | god won't be any help |
| 16:00.03 | cydork | !downgrade |
| 16:00.04 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 16:00.18 | stouse2 | AdamPal: Install CD, reformat, keep your /home and /srv partitions, plus wherever else you stored important data. Also, backup your gpg selections. |
| 16:00.22 | AdamPal | I knew it |
| 16:00.24 | AdamPal | I'm such a tard |
| 16:00.28 | AdamPal | wtf was I doing with unstable anyway |
| 16:00.39 | stouse2 | AdamPal: Unstable isn't all that bad. |
| 16:00.40 | liable | AdamPal: thats what we try and tell people |
| 16:00.50 | liable | stouse2: shuddup |
| 16:00.51 | AdamPal | stouse2: It is on a 'production' desktop |
| 16:00.56 | AdamPal | Segfaults and glibc errors all over the place |
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| 16:01.03 | stouse2 | liable: Errr... |
| 16:01.08 | AdamPal | It was a stupid clueless thing for me to do heh and I've learned my lesson |
| 16:01.09 | valdyn | AdamPal: you should reinstall. |
| 16:01.12 | AdamPal | Im going to |
| 16:01.24 | valdyn | AdamPal: that said, those segfaults are unlikely because you are using unstable |
| 16:01.39 | valdyn | AdamPal: more likely because of incomplete upgrade |
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| 16:01.58 | AdamPal | This is also true; also there are some broken package dependancies because some packages just dont exist in the repository afaik |
| 16:02.13 | jelly | AdamPal: if what you really wanted was more recent versions of stuff, testing might be more appropriate, and it does not break as often (or as hard) as unstable |
| 16:02.15 | valdyn | AdamPal: that very well might be |
| 16:02.22 | Catoptromancy | Isnt it possible to have a sort of Live CD, but on USB but only has a fully functional shell and ability to add libs onto USB so they can be used with gcc? |
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| 16:02.29 | liable | stouse2: we have an eternal struggle in this channel trying to stop people using sid, and its great if you know what your doing, but dont encourage people to try it |
| 16:02.47 | DawnLight | make menuconfig is very nice, explaining about the various kernel features |
| 16:02.48 | AdamPal | Also I realise that I'm in #debian... Ive used debian for a few years and I've got no problem with it but I'm being told by various sources to use ubuntu. Is there any real reason for me to use ubuntu? |
| 16:02.51 | valdyn | AdamPal: for new versions of any package use backports.org or /msg dpkg simple sid backport to backport it yourself |
| 16:02.57 | Catoptromancy | So I can script at school, without installing and everything runs off the USB |
| 16:03.02 | AdamPal | valdyn: Got it.. Thank you |
| 16:03.02 | valdyn | AdamPal: NEVER ever install new binary packages |
| 16:03.22 | stouse2 | liable: I wasn't encouraging. If it's a production box that's one thing, but if there _weren't_ any problems and he was just panicking because there's not a "reset button" on dist-upgrade, then I was trying to assure him it's not all bad. |
| 16:03.28 | jelly | AdamPal: there are some comparative advantages, but there are also some disadvantages :-) |
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| 16:03.39 | AdamPal | I thought as much... I'm going to stick with deb |
| 16:03.44 | chops | AdamPal: If you're having difficulty with Debian, Ubuntu is a good alternative... the learning curve is a lot gentler, and the release cycle and general focus is more towards an easy-to-use desktop system |
| 16:03.52 | AdamPal | Oh no, I've used debian forever |
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| 16:04.05 | AdamPal | Although I'm a kernel programmer by profession.. I really don't know anything about packages, and xorg etc |
| 16:04.11 | abrotman | chops: don't do that |
| 16:04.23 | chops | abrotman: Start a flame war, you mean? |
| 16:04.41 | DawnLight | do i want CONFIG_BSD_PROCESS_ACCT_V3 ? |
| 16:04.43 | jelly | AdamPal: eh, stay with the good olde OS then :-) |
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| 16:05.01 | liable | why is debina so olde? |
| 16:05.23 | Supaplex | !start a distro war |
| 16:05.23 | dpkg | Debian Rulz |
| 16:05.28 | Supaplex | no argument. |
| 16:05.31 | jelly | liable: it's been around since what, 10-11 years ago? |
| 16:05.41 | valdyn | !bo |
| 16:05.41 | dpkg | [bo] Debian 1.3, released on June 2, 1997, for the i386 architecture.. Little Bo Peep... as in, the one with the sheep. Bolivia |
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| 16:05.56 | liable | it was a joke! |
| 16:06.04 | Supaplex | and so are you :) |
| 16:06.10 | liable | ffs, why do people not understand my humour |
| 16:06.15 | jelly | liable: thou shalt not joke with that |
| 16:06.24 | valdyn | !sarcasm |
| 16:06.24 | dpkg | methinks sarcasm is when you say something that you don't entirely mean in order to gain some sort of dramatic effect or other er something;; for example "that's a really good definition" |
| 16:06.25 | liable | Supaplex: thanks.. |
| 16:06.36 | abrotman | liable: maybe if you put the sheep down ... |
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| 16:06.50 | Supaplex | yea, them sheep are old to ya know |
| 16:06.52 | asg | abrotman: baaah |
| 16:06.54 | liable | abrotman: then i'll have to come after our wooly ass! |
| 16:07.00 | liable | your* |
| 16:07.04 | jelly | Supaplex: so I can assume you always keep that tag open? |
| 16:07.20 | stouse2 | Ah. |
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| 16:07.27 | AdamPal | Oh how am I going to reinstall all the cross-* tools that took me days to get working! |
| 16:07.38 | Supaplex | jelly: irc is far less strict. :) |
| 16:07.43 | abrotman | AdamPal: with TLC ? |
| 16:07.44 | stouse2 | gpg --decrypt foo | vipe | gpg --armor --encrypt -r user@foo.bar | sponge pwd |
| 16:07.45 | valdyn | AdamPal: where are those cross- tools? |
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| 16:08.02 | valdyn | AdamPal: i mean, you DO have the source tree of those somewhere still? |
| 16:08.02 | abrotman | stouse2: wouldn't exactly call that "live" |
| 16:08.30 | jelly | hmm, /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist is a conffile |
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| 16:08.44 | Supaplex | AdamPal: like the cross-dresser one? ;) |
| 16:08.47 | AdamPal | valdyn: Of course :-) |
| 16:08.56 | AdamPal | All the mipsel stuff |
| 16:09.16 | AdamPal | I put debian 4.0 stable +2.6.19-7 on a 65$ routerboard |
| 16:09.17 | valdyn | AdamPal: when you reinstall debian, you can keep anything that is on a seperate partition easily, like /home |
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| 16:09.21 | h3sp4wn | AdamPal: Do you have a cross gdb for mipsel ? |
| 16:09.31 | h3sp4wn | (or know you to build one ?) |
| 16:09.42 | AdamPal | h3sp4wn: Yes, on my deb machine |
| 16:09.45 | AdamPal | I built it from src iirc |
| 16:09.57 | h3sp4wn | debian source or just the gdb source ? |
| 16:09.59 | AdamPal | I had to use it for the custom code I wrote for it |
| 16:10.04 | AdamPal | gdb src I think |
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| 16:10.27 | AdamPal | I didnt use packages for mipsel-cross-* I built it in /usr/local/ from src |
| 16:10.38 | AdamPal | And one thing I do remember was that it was an incredibly painful process |
| 16:10.41 | jelly | !info apt-cross sid |
| 16:10.49 | dpkg | apt-cross: (retrieve, build and install libraries for cross-compiling), section utils, is extra. Version: 0.1.0 (sid), Packaged size: 11 kB, Installed size: 76 kB |
| 16:10.58 | valdyn | AdamPal: so, backup your /usr/local and copy that back once debian is installed, unless /usr/local/ already is a seperate partition |
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| 16:11.28 | h3sp4wn | AdamPal: I know its a painful process |
| 16:11.55 | AdamPal | hm.. Im going to do it when I leave the office |
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| 16:11.58 | AdamPal | Reinstall the whole thing |
| 16:12.04 | AdamPal | It shouldnt be too bad I hope |
| 16:12.14 | AdamPal | Backup kernel src and all other src code |
| 16:12.16 | penguin | Can I put grub on a USB memory stick to boot Debian and Vista? |
| 16:12.20 | cblack0 | I'm trying to add apt repos by using the /etc/apt/sources.list.d. I made a text file that contains a regular repo path (like a snipped from sources.list) yet it doesn't seem to be honored (even after an apt-get update). Any clues? |
| 16:12.30 | stew | penguin: yes |
| 16:12.48 | cblack0 | penguin, if your motherboard supports botting from usb sticks anyway |
| 16:12.53 | stew | penguin: well i don't know anything about booting vista, but certainly debian |
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| 16:13.07 | AdamPal | penguin: Don't boot vista. XP is one thing but vista is just disgusting |
| 16:13.28 | Supaplex | stew: booting vista's easy. it's finding the right shoe that's the hard work. *kick* |
| 16:13.29 | penguin | It does, I need to reinstall Vista. A memory stick seems like the best way to go. |
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| 16:15.29 | penguin | I am having a bitch of a time getting Vista to dual boot. |
| 16:15.29 | AdamPal | penguin: Why? What's wrong with regular grub on your MBR? |
| 16:15.29 | jelly | penguin: don't they have a boot.ini? |
| 16:15.29 | penguin | Vista will nuke it when I reinstall it |
| 16:15.29 | AdamPal | Oh.. figures, MS have probably put more "anti-other-technologies" into vista |
| 16:15.29 | Supaplex | no boot.ini in vista |
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| 16:15.29 | Supaplex | AdamPal: yea, it's called DRM |
| 16:15.30 | Supaplex | http://badvista.fsf.org/ |
| 16:15.30 | jelly | Supaplex: wow |
| 16:15.45 | jelly | Supaplex: boot.ini is one useful thing in NT windows, i have a _very_ funny BIOS that can boot only from the first partition, and boot.ini comes in very handy |
| 16:16.09 | Supaplex | bootmgr ala bcdedit is their so called replacement |
| 16:16.45 | jelly | Supaplex: well, if it can chainload another partition, it would be good enough for me |
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| 16:17.15 | Supaplex | however, the beta build at http://www.goodbye-windows.com is designed to work with that, but it's untested. please test it on vista :) |
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| 16:20.25 | jelly | does anyone have -ck patchset kernel packages for i386 with debian's .config? |
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| 16:21.58 | jelly | how can I list all the binary package names that are built from a single source package? |
| 16:22.36 | h3sp4wn | apt-cache showsrc |
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| 16:23.18 | cblack0 | has anybody successfully added a repo to apt using /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ files rather than editing sources.list itself? |
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| 16:23.50 | cblack0 | it does not seem to be working for me, apt-get update isn't seeing the new repos |
| 16:24.00 | cblack0 | same repos work fine when added to sources.list manually |
| 16:24.08 | jelly | cblack0: which version of Debian's apt knows about sources.list.d? |
| 16:24.15 | omri | any1 has any experience with xdm and XDMCP ? |
| 16:24.29 | omri | sorry; let me rephrase that :) |
| 16:24.32 | jelly | cblack0: I don't even have the directory on my lenny |
| 16:24.39 | omri | how do I get xdm to work with XDMCP? |
| 16:25.03 | cblack0 | jelly, ubuntu has it at least, I was hoping it was universal |
| 16:25.16 | omri | I've changed the config on the server, changed DisplayManager.requestPort to be XDMCP port; how do I configure the client? |
| 16:25.16 | h3sp4wn | My etch and sid both have the directory |
| 16:25.54 | jelly | cblack0, h3sp4wn: ah, my bad, was looking at the wrong machine |
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| 16:26.24 | cblack0 | I haven't been able to get it to work, even with a text file that has the same snippet that used to work in sources.list |
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| 16:28.11 | xand | cblack0: why don't you put them in sources.list? |
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| 16:28.54 | slakmagik | what is responsible for my pager being screwed up? When used as the manual pager, case insensitivity is turned on. I've looked through the 'alternatives' junk and the 'man{,-db}' junk and rtf man and less m's and stfw. Working around it by appending "-+i" to either LESS or PAGER is simple enough, but I'd like to remove the root cause. |
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| 16:29.33 | jelly | xand: a better question is, why does a documented feature not work? |
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| 16:29.50 | jelly | slakmagik: locales? |
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| 16:30.04 | cydork | cblack0: does sources.list exist? |
| 16:30.10 | xand | jelly: where's it documented? |
| 16:30.15 | cydork | xand: man page |
| 16:30.16 | slakmagik | not installed - just using 'C' |
| 16:30.22 | xand | cydork: which? |
| 16:30.24 | jelly | xand: sources.list(5) |
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| 16:30.28 | xand | I see |
| 16:31.06 | bobloblian | I need a gui interface like webmin for an ftp server, so the user can add and delete users as required |
| 16:31.10 | DawnLight | i get the message "Xsession: warning: unable to write to /tmp; x session may exit with an error" whenever i try to login with kdm. this is after i've tried the "switch user" thing |
| 16:31.14 | bobloblian | any suggestions other than webmin? |
| 16:31.21 | cblack0 | cydork, yep, of course |
| 16:31.28 | michelp | hi guys, i have a question about making a debian package. There is some existing code I am just getting to know that is written in python and has a 'debian' subdirectory. it has the right structure and functionality to build the system into a debian package, what i'm trying to figure out is, how to add a man page (the page is written, just how to actually make it installed when the package is installed) any pointers? |
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| 16:31.36 | jelly | cblack0, cydork: yeah, seems like sources.list has not to exist in /etc/apt for the entries in .d/ to be used |
| 16:31.43 | cblack0 | jelly, ah |
| 16:31.54 | cydork | cblack0: remove it, put the files directly in the sources.list.d |
| 16:31.55 | jelly | cblack0, cydork: mv source.list sources.list.d/ makes it work |
| 16:31.56 | slakmagik | DawnLight: ls -ld /tmp - should be 1777 |
| 16:31.57 | cblack0 | so, next q: does anyone have a working syntax for a dir-based repo |
| 16:32.09 | cydork | jelly: yeah that's wht i thought. |
| 16:32.13 | cblack0 | jelly, sweet. Which is was a bit more obvious tho |
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| 16:32.18 | cblack0 | jelly, thanks tho! |
| 16:32.24 | jelly | cblack0: "deb file:/home/jelly/packages ./" ? |
| 16:32.29 | asg | michelp: /msg dpkg mg |
| 16:32.36 | cblack0 | jelly, that is what I was using, I must have something wrong... |
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| 16:32.51 | DawnLight | its 4096, slakmagik |
| 16:32.53 | babilen | hi there! how can i set my default release to "sarge"? |
| 16:32.58 | jelly | cblack0: WFM! |
| 16:33.09 | xand | babilen: why sarge? |
| 16:33.10 | asg | babilen: as opposed to what? |
| 16:33.31 | babilen | xand: because my server is running sarge |
| 16:33.41 | babilen | asg: and as opposed to "oldstable" |
| 16:33.47 | asg | babilen: change references to 'stable' in /etc/apt/sources.list to 'sarge' |
| 16:33.48 | slakmagik | DawnLight: that's may be the size - look at the first column - drwxrwxrwt |
| 16:33.57 | xand | babilen: change the word "olstable" to "sarge" |
| 16:33.59 | xand | +d |
| 16:34.05 | babilen | it seems like aptitude is ignoring my line in /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 16:34.13 | jelly | cydork: to be honest, that sources.list{,.d} behaviour is not really intuitive |
| 16:34.19 | Groundy | help - i upgraded erlang (1:10.b.5-1 -> 1:11.b.4-2), and now it's giving me : Fatal, could not get clock_monotonic value!, errno = 22 |
| 16:34.34 | babilen | asg: i am talking about a default release, not mu sources.list |
| 16:34.34 | jelly | cydork: I'd expect it to catch all the available files |
| 16:34.36 | stew | michelp: add the manpage to the debian directory, then call dh_installman debian/yourmanpage.section in the install: target |
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| 16:34.52 | Groundy | (kernel is 2.4.26-1um) |
| 16:34.59 | babilen | it just seems that release names are ignored in /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 16:35.02 | DawnLight | drwxrwxrwt, slakmagik |
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| 16:35.08 | asg | babilen: /msg dpkg pinning (not sure what effect that has on aptitude though) |
| 16:36.03 | Groundy | is there a min kernel version required for erlang do you think? |
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| 16:36.39 | Supaplex | aptitude relies on dpkg, so pinning works fine. |
| 16:36.49 | slakmagik | DawnLight: hm, then I don't know - I don't suppose the partition /tmp is on is full? Otherwise, I suspect it's something specific to the 'switch user' which I don't know anything about. |
| 16:36.56 | stew | Groundy: 2.4 kenrels are not supported in etc |
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| 16:37.20 | DawnLight | damn |
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| 16:37.38 | cydork | jelly: yeah true.. |
| 16:37.52 | babilen | i completely understand pinning. my problem is that i do not _want_ to write "oldstable" in /etc/apt/apt.conf... due to reasons discussed at length at debian-devel |
| 16:37.57 | Groundy | stew: eh? |
| 16:38.00 | cydork | jelly: they should have atleast mentioned a line or two about it in the man page. |
| 16:38.06 | cblack0 | anyone have clues on why my local repo is not working? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20201/ |
| 16:38.20 | abrotman | cblack0: ask #ubuntu |
| 16:38.25 | babilen | shall i file a bug against aptitude, for acepting only oldtable, stable, testing, ... in apt.conf? |
| 16:38.31 | Ronin | cblack0: becasue your in the wrong channel |
| 16:38.42 | babilen | is there any way i can circumvent this problem? |
| 16:39.04 | asg | babilen: can't hurt to file a bug |
| 16:39.17 | stew | Groundy: what version of debian are you running? |
| 16:39.28 | Groundy | stew: this is testing atm, |
| 16:39.37 | Groundy | stew: upgraded from stable I think |
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| 16:39.50 | suppaman | hi |
| 16:40.18 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 16:40.19 | Hoxzer | geez |
| 16:40.26 | stew | Groundy: right. 2.4 kenrels are no longer supported. there is a decent chance that your 2.4 kenrel is the problem and the fix would be installing a 2.6 kernel |
| 16:40.27 | HardDisk_WP | does anyone have a thing like ACDSee for debian? |
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| 16:40.32 | HardDisk_WP | some image managing stuff |
| 16:40.49 | stew | HardDisk_WP: apt-cache search acdsee |
| 16:40.50 | Groundy | stew: crap, this is a hosted UML kernel, so I note even sure how to go about that |
| 16:41.15 | Overflow | hello all.. i need some help. my iceweasel halts on some java web pages.. anyone? |
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| 16:41.54 | alexcamilo | Hello, Does anyone know how tu use GNU Parted 1.7.1 to resize a ntfs partition? |
| 16:42.00 | HardDisk_WP | steve, thats not that sort what i need...i need something which lets me see thumbnails for the pictures |
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| 16:42.03 | alexcamilo | without toasting it |
| 16:42.06 | Groundy | stew: so for now, downgrade erlang till it works again? |
| 16:42.08 | HardDisk_WP | gtksee does that, but only for one file at a moment |
| 16:42.16 | Groundy | stew: where can I find old packages? |
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| 16:42.29 | shingouz | HardDisk_WP: pornview maybe? |
| 16:42.35 | stew | Groundy: dunno. i don't even know if that is really the problem. if it is calling epoll it is the problem (which strace would tell you) |
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| 16:42.41 | stew | Groundy: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 16:42.44 | DawnLight | how do i check disk space? |
| 16:42.49 | stew | DawnLight: df |
| 16:42.51 | xand | DawnLight: df -h |
| 16:42.51 | shingouz | df -h |
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| 16:43.13 | HardDisk_WP | shingouz, yepp, seems good. but it dont support drang'n'drop of files |
| 16:43.26 | Groundy | stew: it's checking for clock_monotonic I think |
| 16:43.45 | Amarande | "df = 'Show Ama that he's a dummy for allocating all this space to /var and /usr'" |
| 16:43.46 | shingouz | HardDisk_WP: mv, ln, cp and m are your friends ;) |
| 16:43.49 | Amarande | I have a 28G /usr partition and a 37G /var, of which I use 10% and 7% respectively. :| |
| 16:43.53 | Amarande | m? |
| 16:43.54 | DawnLight | i seem to have filled up my hd! what can i delete? perhaps pkg cache? is there a command for that? |
| 16:44.04 | HardDisk_WP | shingouz, ^^. I have to sort 400 photos :X |
| 16:44.10 | xand | I either have /usr and /var as part of /, or seperate disk |
| 16:44.11 | Amarande | amarande@alviarin:~$ man m |
| 16:44.11 | Amarande | No manual entry for m |
| 16:44.14 | shingouz | HardDisk_WP: ouch |
| 16:44.15 | Groundy | stew: ta, I knew it existed, I just couldn't remember where |
| 16:44.18 | Amarande | What's mv? :) |
| 16:44.19 | HardDisk_WP | DawnLight, sudo apt-get clean |
| 16:44.20 | shingouz | Amarande: typo. rm |
| 16:44.20 | Amarande | er, m :) |
| 16:44.23 | Amarande | oh heh |
| 16:44.27 | HardDisk_WP | shingouz, yepp |
| 16:44.35 | cblack0 | my problem was the Packages.gz file |
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| 16:44.42 | Amarande | remember though, rm is forever. |
| 16:44.47 | Amarande | and really is forever, unlike diamonds. :) |
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| 16:45.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | rm is not a *friend*... only an aquaintance |
| 16:45.35 | DawnLight | wow that was one point eight gigabytes i didn't need |
| 16:45.48 | Nakkar | Hello, I am using Debian with Gnome, and my sound does not work |
| 16:46.02 | DawnLight | Nakkar: install ALSA |
| 16:46.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | DawnLight: try out gdmap for your home directory |
| 16:46.32 | abrotman | !alsa one-liner |
| 16:46.32 | dpkg | it has been said that alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils , or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to alsa, so "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and "echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules" to provide the oss compatibility layer |
| 16:46.34 | Amarande | 1.8G? I still only have 889M used in /var/cache/apt |
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| 16:46.40 | Nakkar | says alsa-base is already the newest version |
| 16:46.55 | bobloblian | nakkar: try running killall esd when you log in, assuming you have alsa installed |
| 16:46.59 | Amarande | heh, I still remember the days when there was no ALSA and OSS was a non-free driver |
| 16:47.07 | Amarande | and you pretty much had to use esd |
| 16:47.09 | abrotman | !tell Nakkar about alsa checklist |
| 16:47.27 | Groundy | stew: clock_gettime(CLOCK_MONOTONIC, 0xbffff9bc) = -1 NENOSYS |
| 16:47.31 | DawnLight | ALSA rocks |
| 16:47.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | DawnLight: ha - at some time you will notice one of the new packages doesnt work and the old one is not available from anywere and you would wish you still had the older and working version in your cache :) |
| 16:48.08 | Nakkar | killall esd --> no process killed. |
| 16:48.24 | dogmeat | how do i get more package information about what is displayed from apt-cache search ? |
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| 16:48.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | apt-cache show pkgname |
| 16:48.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | man apt-cache would have told you that, you know? |
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| 16:48.58 | stew | Groundy: you'd have to patch a 2.4 kernel to support that |
| 16:49.00 | marsswell | I am trying to rescue my debian kernel. I am in konsole rescue mode. So, do I have to mount anything? How to? |
| 16:49.07 | Overflow | hello all.. i need some help. my iceweasel halts on some java web pages.. anyone? |
| 16:49.07 | Nakkar | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 16:49.20 | Nakkar | it doenst find my sound device (i think) |
| 16:49.37 | stew | Groundy: if you google for "clock_gettime" and "2.4 kernel" you'll find confirmation of this |
| 16:49.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | marsswell: rescue a kernel? I think the kernel is pretty safe from destruction :) |
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| 16:50.54 | Groundy | stew: changing the kernel is difficult, becuase it's a hosted UML machine, so I'll look into downgrading erlang instead |
| 16:51.07 | marsswell | CutMeOwnThroat, I know. But how do I reinstall it? |
| 16:51.23 | stew | Groundy: realize that other stuff will probably break. for instance mysql-server and postfix are known to not work |
| 16:51.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | marsswell: what is the problem? |
| 16:52.01 | Groundy | stew: gees is 2.6 that well intrenched that 2.4 is nolonger-good-enough |
| 16:52.10 | combotfighter | stew, can i make samba-shares avaible especially by interface xy? |
| 16:52.18 | Groundy | stew: I run 2.6 on my server personal server, but I thought it was still 'new' |
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| 16:53.04 | Amarande | Groundy, I've heard of someone who still runs a redhat box with 2.2 |
| 16:53.28 | Amarande | and apparently the box gets insane uptimes, I think it hasn't been booted in over a year now |
| 16:53.28 | stew | Groundy: yes. 2.4 is no longer supported by debian starting with the current stable |
| 16:53.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | marsswell: I just meant... your way of describing the problem was not only lacking quite a bit of information, it also contained some incorrect info because you tried to shorten your sentence |
| 16:53.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | marsswell: so now nobody knows what you really meant :) |
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| 16:53.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 16:53.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | nice |
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| 16:54.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 16:54.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:54.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 16:54.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | so much for upgrading to etch :( |
| 16:54.17 | jelly | cblack0, cydork: it also works when there is a /etc/apt/sources.list _if_ the files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ are named *.list |
| 16:54.20 | marsswell | CutMeOwnThroat, I have a server and I am unable to access it. It was working fine but I decided to upgrade the kernel and when I rebooted the machine I was locked |
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| 16:54.42 | DawnLight | http://technowizah.com/2005/12/debian-how-to-custom-kernel-compile.html this looks promising! new, n00b friendly and long. |
| 16:54.47 | Amarande | marsswell, does it use lilo, or grub? |
| 16:54.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | marsswell: do you sit in front of the console, if yes, what was the error |
| 16:54.58 | OrangeRoot1k | anybody know anything about compiz in here or would it be best to try the compiz channel |
| 16:55.07 | marsswell | Amarande, grub |
| 16:55.20 | Amarande | ok, it's not LIL- then. :) |
| 16:55.34 | Amarande | or was that LIL? that you get when you don't remember to rerun lilo after installing the new kernel? |
| 16:55.36 | HardDisk_WP | how can I force Konqueror to render thumbnails for all files in a directory? |
| 16:55.37 | Amarande | or was that even L or LI? |
| 16:55.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | OrangeRoot1k: looks kind of nice, but is pretty useless? (and GL apps dont work anymore) :) |
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| 16:55.59 | Amarande | I think it was LIL-, but I forget |
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| 16:56.05 | HardDisk_WP | currently it looks like http://harddisk.homedns.org/kcc28.png |
| 16:56.10 | marsswell | CutMeOwnThroat, Lots of. But one of them is kernel failure |
| 16:56.15 | Amarande | yeah, compiz doesn't seem all that good to me, mostly because of a lack of good themes |
| 16:56.17 | HardDisk_WP | but the files itself are correct images.. |
| 16:56.29 | Amarande | seems like all the themes lately are for KDE, GTK+/Gnome, and WindowMaker |
| 16:56.29 | cblack0 | jelly, thanks for clearing up the mysterious sources.list.d for me :) |
| 16:56.34 | BSM | hi, how do I stop USB with debian 4.0 before I suspend? /etc/init.d/dbus, udev, whatever? |
| 16:56.38 | Amarande | and even GTK+/Gnome and KDE don't have as many themes as WM |
| 16:56.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | marsswell: well, the last one... something like "cannot find image, kernel panick@" or somesuch |
| 16:56.52 | jelly | cblack0: had to look into the source for that. :-) |
| 16:57.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | Amarande: well, if you do this cube-thingy, why not use all 6 sides as virtual desktops? |
| 16:57.33 | Amarande | cube thingy? |
| 16:57.37 | Amarande | wait, is compiz a 3D wm? |
| 16:57.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 16:57.52 | OrangeRoot1k | CutMeOwnThroat: well i have my xorg.conf file configured and i have the compiz package installed.... i get an extension glx not found error |
| 16:57.58 | BSM | not a real 3d wm |
| 16:58.10 | Amarande | neat, sorry Vista but you've just gotten owned on another level I guess lol |
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| 16:58.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | OrangeRoot1k: glxinfo |grep -i render |
| 16:58.41 | Amarande | let's see, be able to run as a normal user and be prompted for the root password as needed? I can do that with Debian |
| 16:58.48 | Amarande | and apparently even now I can have a 3D desktop with Debian, too. |
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| 16:59.05 | combotfighter | How can i make samba-shares avaible especially by interface xy? |
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| 16:59.22 | jelly | Amarande: there's also beryl which has different window decorators with more themes |
| 16:59.23 | cblack0 | jelly, any insight into how apt would prioritize repos added via sources.list.d? |
| 16:59.58 | marsswell | CutMeOwnThroat, Udev requires - kernel failure! |
| 16:59.59 | cblack0 | jelly: I'm trying to make a local repo with my own packages plus mirror a few selected packages and have it be used instead of the inet ones if the versions are the same |
| 17:00.08 | jelly | cblack0: files in rc.d style directories are usually parsed in alphabetical order |
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| 17:00.35 | OrangeRoot1k | CutMeOwnThroat: extension glx missing on display 0.0 |
| 17:00.44 | jelly | cblack0: and if package numbers are the same and there's no pinning involved, I think it's a first match |
| 17:00.44 | cblack0 | jelly, yeah, I was thinking like init files, just name them like 10myrepo.list 50stdrepos.list 90lowpriority.list |
| 17:01.00 | Amarande | jelly, I haven't seen beryl at all in debian yet |
| 17:01.08 | cblack0 | jelly, yeah, with sources.list (not .d) it says it goes in sources.list order for first match |
| 17:01.17 | Amarande | even apt-cache showsrc beryl doesn't work, and I have my deb-src pointed at sid |
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| 17:01.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | marsswell: hm, good one... I'm not 100% sure how to fix that - google for that error... that should give you solutions |
| 17:01.27 | stew | Amarande: beryl isn't in debian |
| 17:01.42 | Amarande | stew, odd, I would have thought at least sid would have it by now :) |
| 17:01.42 | cblack0 | jelly, altho I have my local repo up there first and it isn't grabbing from there so I gotta figure out what's up |
| 17:01.52 | cblack0 | using just sources.list for now |
| 17:01.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | OrangeRoot1k: look in /etc/X11/xorg.conf if the module glx should be loaded |
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| 17:01.59 | stew | Amarande: yes. currently nobody is volunteering to maintain it |
| 17:02.01 | Amarande | then again, sid still has wine 0.9.31 |
| 17:02.07 | Amarande | which doesn't play WoW or GW properly. :| |
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| 17:02.18 | dogmeat | which package can i use to view system docs via web browser? |
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| 17:02.28 | OrangeRoot1k | CutMeOwnThroat: ya i have it loaded in xorg.conf... at least by command |
| 17:02.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | OrangeRoot1k: if it is, look in /var/log/X11/xorg*.0.log why it isnt |
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| 17:02.54 | jelly | cblack0: apt-cache policy <package> might clear it up, maybe |
| 17:02.57 | muh2000_ | i have a problem with NFS :( mount: RPC: error with authentication; why = Failed (no specified errorcode) |
| 17:03.10 | stew | dogmeat: iceweasel? links? elinks? w3m? konqueror? |
| 17:03.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | marsswell: and i guess it was 'required' |
| 17:03.25 | cblack0 | yeah, could be bc I installed once from remote repo and then wanted to reinstall (killed the /var/cache copy to test) |
| 17:04.13 | jelly | cblack0: also, when I did some local builds with same package number, it usually preferred the remote version, not sure why |
| 17:04.41 | dogmeat | stew, does w3m provide a search interface? |
| 17:04.47 | jelly | cblack0: the easiest thing to solve that is to add a changelog entry with a somewhat incremented version number when building |
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| 17:05.17 | jelly | cblack0: eg. if Debian has foo 1.2-3, you build 1.2-3cblack1 |
| 17:05.19 | cblack0 | jelly, I am not even building, just copying right from the remote repo, putting in my repo, regenerating Packages.gz, running apt-get update and then trying an install again |
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| 17:05.39 | dogmeat | mainly i was looking for a package that would allow me to view docs stored in /usr/share/doc, i used it in the past |
| 17:05.41 | marsswell | How do I reinstall my kernel from debian cd installer accessing konsole root mode (#)? |
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| 17:05.45 | cblack0 | and I have my local repo at the top of sources.list |
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| 17:05.52 | DawnLight | why would i want to use the debial linux kernel patch? |
| 17:05.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | is there some software which will monitor which programs are executed and which packets they belong to, so one can remove unused packages? |
| 17:05.57 | jelly | cblack0: hm, no idea then |
| 17:06.07 | cblack0 | do I need to add something special to my repo line to make it consider that repo ok for main stable packages? |
| 17:06.08 | muh2000_ | i havent changed anything related to rpc or nfs :( out of nowhere it doesnt work anymore :( (mounting nfs) |
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| 17:06.30 | cblack0 | something other than my "deb file:/data/ubuntu/repo ./" |
| 17:06.31 | stew | dogmeat: what do you mean by search interface? |
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| 17:06.43 | cblack0 | like add etch on there or something? |
| 17:06.48 | jelly | cblack0: uhh, you said the naughty word :-) |
| 17:06.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | marsswell: you should first select the old kernel on boot-up if that is possible... then you can fix stuff from a working system |
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| 17:06.57 | simonrvn | there's a new package in sid to access local repos directly |
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| 17:07.18 | neocon | hello guys, how can I create a default /etc/profile again ? |
| 17:07.33 | DawnLight | hey, what does the debian linux kernel patch do for me |
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| 17:07.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | DawnLight: it provides extra-magic :) |
| 17:08.06 | cblack0 | performs infinite loops a bit faster |
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| 17:08.13 | DawnLight | so i'd want to use it? |
| 17:08.15 | maddash | DawnLight: I think they contain debian-specific bug fixes |
| 17:08.21 | cblack0 | DawnLight, if you are running debian, definitely |
| 17:08.29 | DawnLight | right on |
| 17:08.42 | simonrvn | they do |
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| 17:09.09 | r0otz | for some reason when i open a webpage the first page opens fine, but when want to browse other pages it trys to connect webpages with my internal ip (network ip) whats it casuing to do that? any idea |
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| 17:09.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | DawnLight: I guess there is some kind of changelog accompanying the patches... that should tell you in great detail what the difference is |
| 17:09.15 | r0otz | mila.kicks-ass.net/~alien/cms/ |
| 17:09.18 | dogmeat | stew, was thinking of something like dhelp |
| 17:09.22 | r0otz | http://mila.kicks-ass.net/~alien/cms/ |
| 17:09.24 | marsswell | CutMeOwnThroat, It is not possible. This is the problem. I have to boot with a cd and access the command line from it and after that install the kernel which is in the cd pool. |
| 17:10.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | r0otz: perhaps you are using a proxy that doesnt support keep-alive? |
| 17:10.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | r0otz: tell iceweasel to use http/1.0 protocol and no keep-alive and see if it goes away |
| 17:10.39 | DawnLight | the linux-patch-debian doesn't come with instructions... only that changelog |
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| 17:11.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | marsswell: well, the old kernel should still be present... you said you use grub - so the old kernel should still be in your bootup menu |
| 17:11.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | marsswell: so ALL kernels give you the same error? |
| 17:11.21 | maddash | iwconfig eth1 txpower 2 |
| 17:11.24 | tnks | Hi, I just realize there was something about groups I don't understand. What's the colon mean when I do a "groups root"? |
| 17:11.40 | tnks | There's no colon when I do a "groups myuser" |
| 17:11.56 | valdyn | tnks: there is |
| 17:12.00 | r0otz | well CutMeOwnThroat: this is done from windows machine |
| 17:12.05 | maddash | fecking southbridge |
| 17:12.06 | simonrvn | tnks: there is one for me |
| 17:12.12 | r0otz | CutMeOwnThroat: i view the page with fire fox on win xp... |
| 17:12.14 | tnks | valdyn: sorry, I take that back. |
| 17:12.16 | r0otz | CutMeOwnThroat: ..grrr |
| 17:12.19 | simonrvn | tnks: simply an aesthetic thing |
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| 17:12.36 | tnks | let me rephrase. I was reading something about an "initial group" and got confused. |
| 17:12.48 | valdyn | tnks: the name before the colon is the user who's groups you are querying |
| 17:14.02 | simonrvn | you get that from id |
| 17:14.03 | simonrvn | do id someluser and it'll show their primary group |
| 17:14.03 | marsswell | CutMeOwnThroat, I have only one kernel (normal and rescue) but the two gives me the same error. Thats why I have to access via cd installer |
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| 17:14.18 | DawnLight | you guys are great, did i tell yous that? |
| 17:14.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | r0otz: well... that means a) wrong channel and b) I still think it might be the same problem as I said... switch iceweasel for firefox in what I suggested |
| 17:14.33 | simonrvn | always have at least one other known working kernel when you install one |
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| 17:14.44 | Tay | do you speak portugues? |
| 17:14.45 | tnks | okay, I was getting confused with the -g and -G switches of useradd, thinking there was something fancy about the "initial group" |
| 17:14.50 | stew | !pt |
| 17:14.50 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 17:15.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | marsswell: hm, strange... is your current root partition the 'real' partition or did the CD drop you in a ramdisk? |
| 17:16.03 | draeath | I need to install wine on an offline machine, I can sneaker-net the files over that aptitude wants but msttcorefonts downloads files from sourceforge. Anyone know where i can manually drop the files, in this case? |
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| 17:16.13 | maddash | amphi: my 2.6.21 undervolting patch isn't working...everything compiles fine, and I can even cat the op_points_table from inside 2.6.21, but as soon as I execute an echo to the op_points_table, speedstep-centrino goes haywire. |
| 17:16.33 | simonrvn | maddash: :( |
| 17:16.56 | maddash | good thing I haven't submitted the patch yet. |
| 17:17.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | marsswell: you probably have to mount or remount / in rw mode (mount / -o remount,rw) and also /boot if that is a separate partition - maybe you additionally need /usr if you require to acces programs in /usr |
| 17:17.14 | simonrvn | draeath: you can store them in some dir, and tell the debconf dialogue where it is |
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| 17:17.35 | simonrvn | mounting /proc is also useful |
| 17:17.58 | draeath | simonrvn: I've examined the script that msttcorefonts uses and I cant figure out where it downloads them to... all i can see is that after trying all the servers it will give up and fail. |
| 17:18.15 | simonrvn | /var/cache/somedir iirc |
| 17:18.23 | draeath | thats not helping |
| 17:18.30 | tarzeau | abrotman: please port this http://moppi.inside.org/eskimo |
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| 17:18.42 | draeath | i need to know explicitly where to drop the files msttcorefonts downloads, so that it does not try to download. |
| 17:18.48 | brotherJohn1234 | msg dpkg no public key |
| 17:19.08 | simonrvn | how hard is ls -l /var/cache? |
| 17:19.10 | draeath | OR, i can copy ttf files directly into the wine install if i can figure out how to force wine to install without that package dependency... |
| 17:19.24 | draeath | simonrvn: the files are not there!!!! i need to put them there. |
| 17:19.38 | draeath | but i do not know where the script expects them |
| 17:19.51 | abrotman | tarzeau: license ? |
| 17:20.25 | phorce1 | OK, I'm obviously not putting the right search terms into Google. I need to scan the class C at the company I just bougt every few hours for a week or so and log which IP addresses are in use during each scan. Right now if I add a new machine it's "guess an IP and hope some other machine that's currently offline doesn't try to grab it later". Anybody know of a pre-wrtiien script/package? |
| 17:20.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | marsswell: but that heavily depends if you booted from the CD completely of if you just used the kernel from the CD, but everything els from your harddisk |
| 17:21.03 | asg | phorce1: nmap |
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| 17:22.31 | muh2000_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:22.38 | tarzeau | abrotman: gnu gpl |
| 17:22.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | marsswell: for the latter you can normally use "linux-XX root=/dev/hda1" on bootup - where linux-XX should be replaced by the label of the kernel on CD and /dev/hda1 should be replaced by the device wich contains your system |
| 17:22.43 | muh2000_ | havent change anything... |
| 17:22.45 | abrotman | tarzeau: i see |
| 17:22.45 | phorce1 | asg: the whole class C? Yeah, I guess so because some of the "specialty" machines have all but one or two ports turned off and do things like ssh on oddball ports. I was trying to avoid a full portscan bashing the network but now that I think about it |
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| 17:24.05 | marsswell | CutMeOwnThroat, From konsole I can access the system if I mount /hda and there is a linux image in the cdrom but neither dpkg -i nor apt-get install work for me installing the kernel! |
| 17:24.14 | shadebob | hi, I have a problem with vlan in debian |
| 17:24.18 | asg | phorce1: it's only a class C, that shouldn't be too much trouble. Try doing a class B ;) |
| 17:24.43 | abrotman | need more dtails! |
| 17:24.52 | asg | abrotman: duck tails, whoohoo |
| 17:25.00 | shadebob | I have 2 vlan (401 for voice, 2338 for data) on eth1 and a eth2 for localnet without vlan |
| 17:25.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | marsswell: to run YOUR system withe the kernel from CD use "linux-XX root=/dev/hda1" on bootup - where linux-XX should be replaced by the label of the kernel on CD and /dev/hda1 should be replaced by the device wich contains your system |
| 17:25.15 | abrotman | they have huey, dewey, louie stuffed animals at the disney store |
| 17:25.16 | phorce1 | asg: ouch. No thanks. This little net is a big enough mess |
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| 17:25.35 | abrotman | tarzeau: build instructions might help |
| 17:25.36 | asg | stew: you mumble more, the more CIDR you have had |
| 17:25.36 | stew | a class B network would take no longer than a class C network as long as the networks are similarly sized |
| 17:25.50 | stew | but, of course, i'm being pedantic |
| 17:25.56 | abrotman | tarzeau: it's done in VC++ .. port it yourself :) |
| 17:26.11 | asg | stew: they aren't, trust me |
| 17:26.13 | combotfighter | How can i make samba-shares avaible especially by interface xy? |
| 17:26.16 | gnagis | anyone know what "CRITICAL ERROR: Module [MIME::Entity] WAS NOT FOUND !" can be? i cant find anny pakage that i can guess it can be |
| 17:26.26 | stew | asg: well you didn't say anythign about the size of the class b network |
| 17:26.57 | tarzeau | abrotman: bah! |
| 17:26.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | funny, how dpkg finds modified configuration files on files that I never touched :) |
| 17:26.57 | stew | asg: nor did he say anything about the size of the class c network he's working with |
| 17:26.57 | asg | stew: true. I have way more than 255 nodes, though quite a bit less than 65,535 |
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| 17:27.10 | gnagis | [MIME::Parser] is also same error on |
| 17:27.20 | gnagis | and i dont know what package i need to fix it :S |
| 17:27.25 | abrotman | asg: you work for the gov't .. you probably 257 |
| 17:27.27 | abrotman | probably have |
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| 17:27.54 | asg | abrotman: ours go to 11 |
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| 17:28.03 | Quibus | Hi |
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| 17:28.33 | Quibus | ANy idea why aptitude installs a package from unstable, just like that? I have testing and unstable in my sources.list, but apt.conf says I want testing.... |
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| 17:29.10 | abrotman | because it's only available in unstable ? |
| 17:29.13 | Groundy | asg: you can tune nmap to only check with ping, (i.e. it won't check indiviual ports, etc) |
| 17:29.27 | asg | Groundy: sure |
| 17:29.28 | rgsteele | Quibus: Did you ever have testing in your sources.list? If you did, have you run an apt-get update since? |
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| 17:29.29 | alien_ | can someone check this address for me and see if its workign properly and its pages, http://mila.kicks-ass.net/~alien/cms/ |
| 17:29.39 | Groundy | asg: assuming they have icmp unfirewalled |
| 17:29.53 | asg | Groundy: it was phorce1 that was asking |
| 17:29.58 | Groundy | asg: if you have access to the switch/router of the infrastructure, you could monitor usage that way too |
| 17:30.03 | Groundy | asg: woops |
| 17:30.07 | asg | Groundy: :) |
| 17:30.09 | Groundy | phorce1: :-) see above |
| 17:30.16 | Thms | alien_: don't work, white page |
| 17:30.22 | gnagis | anyone know anything on my problem ? :S |
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| 17:30.44 | alien_ | Thms: oki thanks.. hahai just figred out to.. everythign is screwed =) |
| 17:30.51 | asg | gnagis: what program are you running to generate that? |
| 17:30.54 | Groundy | phorce1: step 1, unplug everything, step 2, wait for people to complain, step 3, catalog IP's as you plug stuff back in :-) |
| 17:31.00 | gnagis | im trying to install VHCS2 |
| 17:31.01 | Quibus | rgsteele: I have testing and unstable in sources.list since ages and I update always before I dist-upgrade |
| 17:31.11 | Quibus | abrotman: it was a dist-upgrade |
| 17:31.19 | DawnLight | i don't understand how to apply the debian kernel patch to the kernel source. there's no documentation. help anyone? |
| 17:31.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | funny, how dpkg finds modified configuration files on files that I never touched :) |
| 17:31.26 | abrotman | Quibus: that might explain it |
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| 17:31.44 | asg | gnagis: and what is vhcs2? |
| 17:31.46 | Quibus | abrotman: why would it just upgrade stuff from unstable?? Normally it just waits until stuff hits testing |
| 17:31.54 | abrotman | Quibus: which package ? |
| 17:31.57 | gnagis | asg: its a hosting controllpannel |
| 17:32.04 | abrotman | asg: like that web console crap because they can't figure out vi |
| 17:32.11 | abrotman | webmin-ish |
| 17:32.16 | asg | gnagis: then Mime::Entry is most likely a pearl module |
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| 17:32.21 | amphi | maddash: oh dear... what do you mean, 'haywire'? |
| 17:32.28 | asg | gnagis: er, Perl |
| 17:32.30 | gnagis | its becouse some others on the server dont even know how to use phpmyadmin.. lol |
| 17:32.34 | rgsteele | Quibus: Try an apt-cache policy <packagename> |
| 17:32.39 | rgsteele | Quibus: What does it say? |
| 17:32.53 | abrotman | gnagis: then they shouldn't be messing with your databases |
| 17:32.54 | gnagis | asg okay i will try to check if i miss some perl libs then |
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| 17:33.00 | Quibus | rgsteele: well, it's already installed now, does that matter? |
| 17:33.17 | gnagis | abrotman you re right.. but its not mine.. im just installing the server and get paied for it... lol |
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| 17:33.32 | rgsteele | Quibus: Might give you more information as to why it installed that. |
| 17:33.47 | Quibus | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:33.47 | Quibus | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:33.48 | abrotman | gnagis: then they should keep paying to keep it running right |
| 17:33.49 | rgsteele | Quibus: It will let you know what the priority of it was, for example. |
| 17:33.51 | Quibus | these are the last 2 lines |
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| 17:34.16 | cy_ | moin |
| 17:34.21 | thelostbutler | hello folks, i am getting the error "could not open default font 'fixed' would appreciate if some one can help me. i am using etch. with ati card on piii system |
| 17:34.24 | Quibus | this is localization-config by the way |
| 17:34.28 | cy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:34.29 | gnagis | abrotman hehe yeh |
| 17:34.32 | valdyn | !fixed |
| 17:34.32 | dpkg | if you have a problem XFree86 it not finding 'fixed' font, see fonts.alias, or /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz, or make sure xfonts-base is installed, or purge and reinstall it, or see fontfix, or if you are having trouble with xorg r7, see http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7, or a bad remix of a good ep |
| 17:34.38 | cy_ | *some* as in 250 .. |
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| 17:35.00 | thelostbutler | thanks valdyn |
| 17:35.00 | valdyn | thelostbutler: apt-get install xfonts-base |
| 17:35.24 | valdyn | thelostbutler: or apt-get install xorg, i suppose |
| 17:35.24 | Quibus | rgsteele: what do you conclude? :-) |
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| 17:35.38 | DawnLight | please tell me if i got the point: the patches i apt-get install are in /usr/src/kernel-patches and i can type in a certain command that will apply them all to the linux source. right? what is that command? |
| 17:35.58 | Hoxzer | is somebody here experienced with fujitsu hibernation? |
| 17:35.58 | rgsteele | Quibus: Nothing, yet. What makes you sure it was from testing? |
| 17:36.16 | Quibus | rgsteele: it was from unstable, while I expected testing |
| 17:36.23 | Quibus | This makes me sure: |
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| 17:36.44 | Quibus | Get:3 http://ftp.nl.debian.org unstable/main localization-config 1.02 [51.9kB] |
| 17:36.45 | thelostbutler | valdyn |
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| 17:36.55 | thelostbutler | it was xfonts-base :) thanks |
| 17:37.11 | hayp | Hi, could it be possible that there isn't a compiler installed at default on debian? |
| 17:37.12 | bonez39 | what might this error mean: portmap: server localhost not responding, timed out RPC: failed to contact portmap (errno -5). |
| 17:37.32 | stew | hayp: there isn't, you probably want to install "build-essential" |
| 17:37.39 | hayp | build-essential? |
| 17:37.45 | abrotman | Hoxzer: well .. when it starts getting cold .. they consume a lot more stuff .. then they sleep until it's warm again! |
| 17:37.47 | stew | hayp: yes, build-essential |
| 17:37.48 | hayp | does that package include the most common installers, stew ? |
| 17:37.53 | hayp | erm |
| 17:37.55 | hayp | compilers I mean |
| 17:37.59 | stew | hayp: it includes gcc |
| 17:38.00 | abrotman | yes |
| 17:38.15 | hayp | build-essential can be apt-get'ed ? :D |
| 17:38.23 | rgsteele | Quibus: Well, something is telling it to look in an unstable repository: 500 http://ftp.nl.debian.org unstable/main Packages |
| 17:38.24 | stew | hayp: yes |
| 17:38.27 | hayp | ok, thanks guys |
| 17:38.46 | rgsteele | Quibus: What's does your sources.list look like? |
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| 17:38.52 | Quibus | rgsteele: yes, I wonder what, as I'd expect it not to upgrade a package if it is only in unstable |
| 17:39.08 | h3sp4wn | Quibus: does apt-cache policy anything state testing at 990 ? |
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| 17:39.46 | Quibus | h3sp4wn: yes, and unstable at 500 |
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| 17:40.29 | maddash | amphi: the echo command used to write to op_points_table doesn't return, and the rxvt container for that echo command doesn't respond to SIGTERM. same goes for any subsequent `cpufreq-{info|set}` commands, though the rest of the system works fine. this is quite odd, because the vanilla speedstep-centrino.c is identical across 2.6.20 and 2.6.21. |
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| 17:42.18 | Quibus | rgsteele: http://paste.debian.net/27645 |
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| 17:43.10 | n3kl_ | What is the difference between package snort and snot-mysql? The config? |
| 17:43.19 | formorer | guess it |
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| 17:43.23 | formorer | the mysql support |
| 17:43.50 | n3kl_ | formorer: so the actual package 'snort' will not be compiled with mysql support? |
| 17:44.02 | n3kl_ | Also, why is frag3 not supported? |
| 17:44.13 | formorer | n3kl_: or it is a module which is not included in the normal package |
| 17:44.14 | asg | n3kl_: look at the version |
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| 17:44.45 | stew | n3kl_: 'apt-cache show snort'. if it were compiled with mysql support, it would depend on libmysqlclientfoo |
| 17:44.45 | n3kl_ | asg: ah, sorta old |
| 17:45.23 | asg | n3kl_: yes. It was still 2.3 in unstable last I checked. |
| 17:45.23 | Quibus | so, everyone baffled? :-) |
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| 17:45.54 | thelostbutler | hello folks, i have this problem where the mouse drags with a jerky motion. it is an old ati 3d card with a lcd 21 monitor 1074x800 32bit ps2 protocol at /dev/psaux port |
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| 17:45.56 | n3kl_ | asg: why so old? |
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| 17:46.27 | rgsteele | Quibus: deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib non-free |
| 17:46.32 | asg | n3kl_: I'm not sure why the maintainer hasn't pushed to 2.4 or higher. Might be worth looking at bugs.debian.org/snort and see if there are any comments on wishlist bugs asking about upgrades. |
| 17:46.41 | rgsteele | Quibus: deb http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
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| 17:46.48 | rgsteele | Both of those are in your sources.list |
| 17:47.02 | n3kl_ | asg: will do |
| 17:47.11 | Quibus | rgsteele: does that explain it? |
| 17:47.12 | rgsteele | Quibus: It's not baffling at all - you explicitly told it to use a testing repository |
| 17:47.17 | Idle | when I apt-get install gnome, it complains that it cant meet deps, why wont it resolve the deps itself? |
| 17:47.20 | rgsteele | o.O |
| 17:47.29 | rgsteele | Yes. |
| 17:47.31 | Quibus | rgsteele: As I'm trying to tell you, I *want* to use testing. And testing only. |
| 17:47.34 | EmleyMoor | Is there a way I can rebuild kqemu-modules against my current kernel? |
| 17:47.40 | stew | Quibus: please show us the output of ' apt-cache policy ' use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 17:47.41 | Quibus | I was surprised it pulled a package from unstable |
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| 17:47.55 | stew | Quibus: if you want to use testing only, remove the non-testing sources from sources.list |
| 17:48.01 | rgsteele | Quibus: deb http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
| 17:48.09 | rgsteele | You have a line in there for unstable. |
| 17:48.15 | bonez39 | what's that browser add-on called, that lets you spoof the site you visit, make it think you are using IE or something else? |
| 17:48.27 | rgsteele | Quibus: In fact, you have several references to unstable repositories. |
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| 17:48.32 | Quibus | stew and rgsteele : I want to have unstable there just in case I want to explicitly install something from unstable. But unstable is all lower prio than testing. |
| 17:48.56 | stew | Quibus: show us the output of "apt-cache policy |
| 17:48.56 | rgsteele | Quibus: Then you're not pinning it correctly. |
| 17:48.56 | valdyn | thelostbutler: that shouldnt have a thing to do with your gfx card or your mouse port. |
| 17:49.12 | valdyn | thelostbutler: but your error description doesnt ring a bell anyway |
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| 17:49.14 | Quibus | stew: http://paste.debian.net/27646 |
| 17:49.17 | Amarande | thelostbutler, the mouse jerks? |
| 17:49.23 | Amarande | sounds like you might need more CPU or RAM |
| 17:49.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | bonez39: don't think it needs one - can be changed in about:config, afaik - but try prefbar |
| 17:49.32 | Amarande | sounds like your system is overloaded, and the mouse lags as a result |
| 17:49.40 | stew | Quibus: yeah, you have testing pinned at 990, that all looks correct |
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| 17:49.45 | xand | or it's a ball one with a dirty ball ;) |
| 17:52.00 | rgsteele | stew: But if the package isn't in testing, it'll go to the unstable repos |
| 17:52.00 | stew | Quibus: if there is a pacakge that you think isn't being treaated correctly, show use "apt-cache policy packagename" |
| 17:52.00 | Quibus | stew: I think so,I haven't changed it in a while |
| 17:52.00 | stew | rgsteele: yes |
| 17:52.00 | Amarande | Especially things like GNOME tend to drain resources, particularly on slower boxen |
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| 17:52.00 | rgsteele | Quibus: Are you sure the package you want is in testing? |
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| 17:52.00 | Quibus | stew: http://paste.debian.net/27647 |
| 17:52.01 | valdyn | thelostbutler: disk accesses can, sometimes, make gfx jerky |
| 17:52.01 | dbe | Is Debian 4.0r0 (etch) for AMD64 stable enough to try? |
| 17:52.01 | Quibus | rgsteele: It got pulled in at a dist-upgrade |
| 17:52.01 | valdyn | dbe: yes |
| 17:52.01 | Quibus | I didn't explicitly install it right now |
| 17:52.01 | EmleyMoor | I have downloaded the source package for kqemu-modules and want to build it against my current kernel - how do I do that? |
| 17:52.01 | dbe | valdyn: Great! |
| 17:52.01 | rgsteele | Quibus: Well, then the answer is probably no, judging by the information you've given us. |
| 17:52.01 | valdyn | EmleyMoor: apt-get install module-assistant; m-a prepare; m-a a-i kqemu |
| 17:52.02 | n3kl_ | asg: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=320920 |
| 17:52.02 | rgsteele | Quibus: Which would explain why you got an unstable package. If you don't want unstable packages, don't put unstable repositories in your sources.list. |
| 17:52.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | !prefbar |
| 17:52.07 | dpkg | [prefbar] at http://prefbar.mozdev.org/ it is the The Preferences Toolbar for SeaMonkey, Mozilla, and Firefox allows for quick changes of frequently accessed preferences. |
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| 17:52.10 | Quibus | rgsteele: I don't know if it's in testing, but packages not in testing anymore should not be upgraded to unstable ones automatically, I think. DIdn't happen before either. |
| 17:52.31 | bonez39 | CutMeOwnThroat, I am browsing a site, using iceweasel, and it says it wants my browser to be Firefox..... |
| 17:52.38 | stew | Quibus: right, so its pulling that package from unstable, becuase unstable is the only repo that has it |
| 17:52.58 | Amarande | say, any idea why iceweasel just dies sometimes for no obvious reason |
| 17:52.59 | Quibus | stew: but this happens all the time when packages disappear from testing |
| 17:53.10 | Amarande | no error message, I just go and find my iceweasel window is missing |
| 17:53.12 | Quibus | stew: I mean, it didn't install from unstable any time before |
| 17:53.13 | rgsteele | Regardless, the solution doesn't change. If you don't want unstable packages, don't list unstable repositories. |
| 17:53.29 | Amarande | and when I restart it, I get asked if I want to restore session |
| 17:53.53 | asg | n3kl_: ah, that makes sense. I'm planning to build my own packages of 2.6 anyway. |
| 17:53.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | bonez39: and it is already firefox? |
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| 17:54.12 | Quibus | rgsteele: until a year ago, I had to change testing to unstable if I wanted to pull one from unstable expliciltly every time. That's very inconvenient |
| 17:54.22 | valdyn | Amarande: your error description is useless for fixing it. Firefox will optionally restore the last session after any crash. |
| 17:54.30 | valdyn | s/Firefox/Iceweasel/ |
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| 17:54.53 | valdyn | Amarande: common iw crash issue are faulty plugins |
| 17:54.57 | bonez39 | CutMeOwnThroat, like I say, I am using either iceweasel or iceape..and the site www.win4lin.com protests and demands that I be running Firefox... |
| 17:55.04 | Amarande | valdyn, I was more wondering what most often causes iw to die without an error message |
| 17:55.11 | nhuisman2 | how often do you folks patch your debian servers? |
| 17:55.13 | Quibus | Amarande: a segfault |
| 17:55.15 | Amarande | I guess it's not SIGSEGV, since I don't find a core dump anywhere |
| 17:55.17 | nhuisman2 | once a week? |
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| 17:55.36 | valdyn | Amarande: how would you know there was no error message? did you run it from a shell? |
| 17:55.37 | n3kl_ | asg: what command do I need to read the manpage for to build my own package? |
| 17:55.43 | xand | nhuisman2: at least every month or so usually |
| 17:55.52 | n3kl_ | asg: er, should I ask, is there a betterway than ./configure && make && make install ? |
| 17:55.55 | putridp | is it possible to 'nice' already running processes? |
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| 17:56.04 | xand | putridp: yes |
| 17:56.05 | Amarande | putridp, 'renice' |
| 17:56.05 | Nemoder | putridp: renice |
| 17:56.06 | valdyn | putridp: yes |
| 17:56.06 | gniretar_work | i am creating a debian package. certain files that this package will be installing will be installed in places that depend on the answer to questions presented to the user in the preinst script. Where should i stash these files in the package structure? Is there a place in /usr/share or will /tmp do? |
| 17:56.07 | asg | n3kl_: /msg dpkg mg ; or, use checkinstall to build a deb out of the standard ./configure .. steps |
| 17:56.08 | nhuisman2 | I wante to build in some host file monitoring system but not sure which is decent |
| 17:56.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | bonez39: doesnt protest for me - are you maybe using a proxy that clouds your identity? |
| 17:56.22 | nhuisman2 | like tripwire but one that knows what is going on when I do an update |
| 17:56.23 | xand | nhuisman2: to monitor files? |
| 17:56.24 | putridp | thanks! |
| 17:56.30 | n3kl_ | asg: funny thing, checkinstall was not even apt last I checked =] |
| 17:56.31 | xand | right |
| 17:56.34 | valdyn | gniretar_work: that's fucked up, trying to do this |
| 17:56.41 | nhuisman2 | tripwire os seems dead though |
| 17:57.08 | gniretar_work | valdyn: if there is a better way to do it then please tell me. i've never made packages with interactive install scripts before. |
| 17:57.15 | asg | n3kl_: not in etch because of http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=58875&sid=80f33f6e8e3089dbd87513e9ca941775 |
| 17:57.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | bonez39: where does it complain? It doesnt even complain when I set the UA to Lynx |
| 17:57.27 | valdyn | gniretar_work: i didn't talk about the method |
| 17:57.32 | hayp | I'm using an install script which is wanting to detect openssl ("It would appear that you do not have openssl installed." -> "The installation will continue, but TLS support will not be installed." -> "To add SSL/TLS support (required), install openssl and read README.TLS."), would there be a handy way to install openssl on debian? |
| 17:57.44 | bonez39 | CutMeOwnThroat, I can load win4lin.com...and I can log in at main gate, but I try to log in to support help desk..to check on submitted items and THAT's where it give the error 404 |
| 17:57.53 | gniretar_work | valdyn, then what is screwed up? |
| 17:58.18 | valdyn | gniretar_work: making file locations dependent on user inpuit |
| 17:58.24 | bonez39 | CutMeOwnThroat, I installed user agent and it only allows switching to IE, netscape or Opera |
| 17:58.25 | n3kl_ | asg: cool, thanks for the tip. I am downloading the source right now. |
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| 17:58.54 | gniretar_work | valdyn: well, i need to place files in the homedir of a user that that is selected at install time. what else should i do? |
| 17:58.56 | nhuisman2 | is there a way to block dependencies somehow? |
| 17:58.59 | nhuisman2 | like if I don't want X installed |
| 17:59.06 | nhuisman2 | but yet some package I install has a dependency to it |
| 17:59.08 | valdyn | gniretar_work: uuh |
| 17:59.21 | valdyn | gniretar_work: debian packages dont touch users ~/ |
| 17:59.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell bonez about prefbar |
| 18:00.05 | abrotman | nhuisman2: what package is it trying to install ? |
| 18:00.06 | valdyn | gniretar_work: maybe deb is really the wrong way to do this |
| 18:00.18 | nhuisman2 | i'm just using that as an example |
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| 18:00.23 | gniretar_work | so what, i install a external script that makes the mods? |
| 18:00.26 | nhuisman2 | say I don't want xorg on my server |
| 18:00.28 | jelly | hayp: If you're building from source, you have to install appropriate -dev package(s), in this case libssl-dev |
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| 18:00.45 | abrotman | nhuisman2: yes .. but which package .. it might be installing X libs .. not actually X |
| 18:00.55 | gniretar_work | i'm installing a KDE theme. i need to tweak the ~ to change the splash screen and desktop background |
| 18:00.57 | nhuisman2 | ah |
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| 18:01.17 | nhuisman2 | ok in general, is there a way to create a package block lsit |
| 18:01.18 | nhuisman2 | list |
| 18:01.19 | valdyn | gniretar_work: why cant the user select that theme by himself? |
| 18:01.29 | jelly | hayp: a preferred solution is to used ready made packages if they exist in Debian :-) |
| 18:01.32 | abrotman | nhuisman2: you can force it .. but it's not recommended |
| 18:01.39 | hayp | jelly |
| 18:01.42 | Begasus | trying to install the flash plugin for iceweasel/firefox ... getting complaints about a valid path to give up ... |
| 18:01.43 | nhuisman2 | ah ok |
| 18:01.47 | abrotman | nhuisman2: they're called dependencies for a reason :) |
| 18:01.54 | hayp | jelly: I was thinking about apt-get, could that be possible for openssl? |
| 18:02.02 | asg | abrotman: you can still off your children if you want though |
| 18:02.14 | abrotman | asg: only in WV :) |
| 18:02.19 | stew | Quibus: if you don't want it to install from usntable unless you specificly request unstable, pin unstable to -1 instead of 500 |
| 18:02.24 | DawnLight | it says in the description that the linux-source-2.6.20 include the debian kernel patch. so i don't need to patch it using the debian kernel patch, right? dumb question, i know, but i am not sure |
| 18:02.33 | asg | abrotman: dpkg-fondle |
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| 18:02.44 | abrotman | ew |
| 18:02.44 | valdyn | DawnLight: right |
| 18:02.49 | DawnLight | thanks |
| 18:03.11 | jelly | hayp: yes, aptitude install <package> or apt-get install <package> is used to, well, install packages, even when they're called "libssl-dev" |
| 18:03.32 | gniretar_work | valdyn: because i'm creating this as a set of packages for fast installation of a custom software set. My target audience isnt necessarily savvy enough to do it themselves. i dont want them to have to |
| 18:03.54 | Quibus | stew: aha, that's a good hint :) How do I do that? |
| 18:04.02 | hayp | jelly: I only see these 2 packages listed when I do a search on apt-cache: "libssl0.9.8 - SSL shared libraries" and "libssl0.9.8-dbg - Symbol tables for libssl and libcrypt" which of the two should I install? (there's no -dev ending package) |
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| 18:04.18 | valdyn | gniretar_work: use an extra shell script to modify stuff that deb packages have no business modifying |
| 18:04.27 | Mark17 | what is the standard password used for mysql server 4.1 (installed using apt-get install mysql-server-4.1)? |
| 18:04.28 | jelly | !info libssl-dev etch |
| 18:04.55 | dpkg | libssl-dev: (SSL development libraries, header files and documentation), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 0.9.8c-4 (etch), Packaged size: 2037 kB, Installed size: 5644 kB |
| 18:04.55 | asg | Mark17: there isn't one, you need to set it (check /var/log/syslog) |
| 18:04.56 | concept10 | whats that command that tells you filetype (forgot) for example ... cmd foo.deb "This is a debian 2.0 packagefile" |
| 18:04.56 | gniretar_work | valdyn: gotchya, i'l just use debconf to throw up a note about it. |
| 18:04.57 | abrotman | concept10: file |
| 18:05.02 | hayp | jelly: I'm sorry, I did an update and I can "libssl-dev - SSL development libraries, header files and documentation", I'll install this one! |
| 18:05.11 | hayp | I can see* :) |
| 18:05.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | oops :( |
| 18:05.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | bonez39: was talking... |
| 18:05.22 | Mark17 | asg how can i set it? |
| 18:05.25 | concept10 | abrotman, dammit, my memory is getting worse by the day :) thanks |
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| 18:05.34 | abrotman | concept10: no more drugs .. mmkay? :) |
| 18:05.35 | valdyn | gniretar_work: that script could be placed into /usr/share/doc/ by that package, for instance |
| 18:05.47 | stew | Quibus: man apt_preferences |
| 18:05.49 | jelly | hayp: what are you trying to build, btw? |
| 18:05.59 | hayp | I'm trying to build glftpd jelly |
| 18:05.59 | asg | Mark17: if you just installed, look in /var/log/syslog (instructions are printed there.) If not, they should also be printed in /usr/share/doc/mysql*/README* |
| 18:06.10 | hayp | but I doubt you know that |
| 18:06.10 | abrotman | note that etch doesn't have 4.1 |
| 18:06.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | bonez39: well, try this one - afaik, you can add every useragent you like |
| 18:06.14 | wildflower | I installed debian on a laptop with Vista preinstalled. GRUB recognized Vista and put it in the menu.lst, but I am not able to boot to Vista now. When I mount the ntfs partition when in linux I can see all directories and staff, everithing is there. |
| 18:06.20 | hayp | anyway, thanks for your help :) |
| 18:06.25 | wildflower | What do you think is a problem? |
| 18:06.38 | Mark17 | abrotman i'm running debian 3.1 (sarge) |
| 18:06.39 | wildflower | I installed debian on a laptop with Vista preinstalled. GRUB recognized Vista and put it in the menu.lst, but I am not able to boot to Vista now. When I mount the ntfs partition when in linux I can see all directories and staff, everithing is there. What do you think is a problem? |
| 18:06.46 | abrotman | Mark17: ah ok |
| 18:06.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | bonez39: but if you ARE already using firefox/iceweasel, then probably the site is just broken - of course I can't log in to their support site... |
| 18:07.37 | Amarande | wildflower, is the Vista partition set active? |
| 18:07.46 | Amarande | I think Windows still requires such silliness |
| 18:08.06 | wildflower | I think it is |
| 18:08.32 | wildflower | One more thing I resiezed ntfs with gparted |
| 18:08.38 | wildflower | before installing debian |
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| 18:09.11 | alien_ | can someone help me figure this out... i had to set localhost in my phpmyadmin because if i set it to the ISP ip i cant access it localy because i have a network, and a router wont let me view it for some reason... ig uess thats normal.. how the hell can i make it so i can set my phpmyadmin to internet ip and still access it localy? |
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| 18:09.58 | Quibus | stew: it seems it doesn't say where to put these settings |
| 18:10.03 | valdyn | wildflower: the beginning of that vista partition move when resizing? |
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| 18:10.11 | valdyn | wildflower: did the beginning of that vista partition move when resizing? |
| 18:10.22 | wildflower | I think it did |
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| 18:10.47 | alien_ | anyone? |
| 18:10.48 | stew | Quibus: in /etc/apt/preferences |
| 18:11.04 | stew | Quibus: "The APT preferences file /etc/apt/preferences can be used to control which versions of packages will be selected for installation" |
| 18:11.10 | DawnLight | i'm building a kernel. any funky patches i might want to consider? |
| 18:11.13 | valdyn | wildflower: if that was true, you'd have to reinstall or ask a windows support channel on how to fix the windows boot loader |
| 18:11.19 | jelly | DawnLight: dekstop machine? |
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| 18:11.29 | DawnLight | yes, jelly |
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| 18:11.57 | wildflower | valdyn: reinstall Linux or Vista? |
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| 18:12.00 | stickybit` | which is `reminder application' in kde? |
| 18:12.03 | DawnLight | hasta la vista |
| 18:12.04 | chops | So I'm running a sarge system, and after the Information Technology Professionals some people may remember from last night were turned loose on it, it's now bouncing incoming emails. |
| 18:12.06 | valdyn | wildflower: vista |
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| 18:12.17 | mith | so how do I tell debian's version of sudo to allow an environment variable? |
| 18:12.18 | jelly | DawnLight: desktop --> -ck patchset (esp. if you're playing games) |
| 18:12.30 | mith | since the security guys decided to add a useless patch to strip them all |
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| 18:12.46 | mith | I just want VISUAL to pass on damn it |
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| 18:13.01 | h3sp4wn | jelly: which ck would use use at the moment - the one with staircase for CFQ or the one with SD ? |
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| 18:13.04 | jelly | DawnLight: the latest has some bugs though |
| 18:13.19 | Amarande | mith, no you don't. :) |
| 18:13.20 | DawnLight | thanks jelly |
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| 18:13.35 | mith | Amarande: yes, I do |
| 18:13.37 | Amarande | what if someone hacks your sudoer user account and sets VISUAL to "rm -rf /" |
| 18:13.38 | jelly | h3sp4wn: TBH I'm running vanilla at present, haven't had time to check out the SD one |
| 18:13.40 | valdyn | latest ck, which uses sd has some excellent reviews |
| 18:13.42 | Amarande | or even just to "/bin/rm" |
| 18:13.50 | chops | The /var/log/exim/mainlog log contains messages of the form "refused relay (host) to <lists@some.sanitized.host.com> from <lists+caf_=lists=some.sanitized.host.com@demiurgestudios.com> H=nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.233]" |
| 18:13.52 | h3sp4wn | I am using ck with SD |
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| 18:13.59 | chino | hey whats the minimal install size ? |
| 18:14.01 | mith | Amarande: the software it's being passed to do sanity checking, it only allows a couple values |
| 18:14.07 | mith | s/do/does/ |
| 18:14.15 | mith | Amarande: trust me, I *want* this |
| 18:14.16 | h3sp4wn | DawnLight: If you are using -ck (latest) change the default scheduler to deadline |
| 18:14.22 | nhuisman2 | do you folks have any suggestions for configuration change management? |
| 18:14.35 | chops | Yet, I can't figure out why it is trying to relay these messages... /etc/exim.conf contains "local_domains = localhost some.sanitized.host.com". Shouldn't that make it accept those messages always? |
| 18:14.43 | asg | nhuisman2: keep your configs in svn or cvs |
| 18:14.48 | xingu | nhuisman2: that's a pretty wide ranging field; of what is the natural question |
| 18:14.58 | nhuisman2 | ok let me specify a little more clearly |
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| 18:15.25 | jelly | mith: um, does man sudo -> discussion of -e arg help? |
| 18:15.26 | hayp | jelly: the installscript still isn't detecting openssl, eventhough I installed libssl-dev as you advised me. |
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| 18:15.48 | nhuisman2 | mostly workstation configs, settings in /etc, adding new packages to all my workstations at once, that sort of thing. |
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| 18:16.26 | jelly | hayp: I suppose you already have installed "openssl" package? |
| 18:16.28 | gpm | poor chino, i just found the answer (http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch02s05.html.en) |
| 18:16.31 | mith | jelly: there is a special patch in debian's sudo that strips like EVERYTHING it happened in sarge and i guess the patch is still applied even though sudo povides a way to do that in the config without patching it |
| 18:16.38 | mith | jelly: i hate the person who added that patch |
| 18:17.21 | xingu | nhuisman2: for fs change auditting aide does a pretty competant job; semantic is snapshot metadata, then compare to snapshot |
| 18:17.28 | jelly | mith: you reported the bug, right? |
| 18:17.33 | torrr | what is the equivalent here to /proc/pci? |
| 18:17.50 | stew | torrr: /proc/bus/pci |
| 18:17.54 | mith | jelly: no, I just need the env variable to propigate, they aren't actually editing the files as the user, I want to log what VISUAL was set to in the part that's wrapped by sudo, you see :P |
| 18:18.13 | mith | jelly: I didn't, someone else did, and it was closed saying "stfu you dont want to really do that" basically |
| 18:18.18 | torrr | stew, thanks |
| 18:18.39 | hayp | [20:16:25] <jelly> hayp: I suppose you already have installed "openssl" package?, I didn't, are you pointing at the libssl0.9.8 or the libssl0.9.8-dbg package? (I'm unsure on which to install) |
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| 18:18.45 | xingu | nhuisman2: for overlays you probably have two requirements; automated rebuild from scratch, and, push delta overlay; a custom pxeboot and some investent in scripting is usually required for the former because it's usually site-local/ bespoke |
| 18:18.46 | nhuisman2 | I want a way to do my changes on one box, and have them propogate to all the boxes |
| 18:18.52 | smash | hi |
| 18:18.53 | xingu | nhuisman2: for the latter, rsync. |
| 18:19.02 | nhuisman2 | yeah xingu i kind of do kickstart for the beginning build |
| 18:19.03 | mith | jelly: no because it was already reported |
| 18:19.10 | smash | hi any one know about tuxtype |
| 18:19.11 | mith | err ignore that last line |
| 18:19.27 | jelly | mith: I don't see VISUAL or EDITOR in sudo -V output (which is supposed to dump the list of cleaned env.vars), so it might be a real bug |
| 18:19.27 | smash | typing tutor |
| 18:19.39 | Xsnoopy | pstree should be availble on debian, right? |
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| 18:19.45 | stew | hayp: if you are trying to compile something you want a package ending in -dev, like libssl-dev |
| 18:19.46 | dnanar | hi all ! |
| 18:19.58 | hayp | stew I already installed that one |
| 18:19.59 | xingu | nhuisman2: rsync is a reasonable approximation for keeping remote filesystems lockstep with a local one |
| 18:20.02 | dnanar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:20.13 | nhuisman2 | even if i'm changing binary packages? |
| 18:20.14 | smash | hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 18:20.31 | gpm | Xsnoopy: it should. maybe file a wnpp bug (bugs.debian.org/wnpp)? |
| 18:20.31 | Idle | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:20.31 | jelly | hayp: when I say "openssl package" I _mean_ a package named openssl |
| 18:20.31 | smash | any one know any thing about tux type |
| 18:20.36 | Idle | when I am trying to install gnome, I get that error |
| 18:20.36 | smash | helppppppppppppppppp me pllzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| 18:20.37 | hayp | ok jelly, sorry |
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| 18:20.39 | Idle | and a few similar others :( |
| 18:20.50 | stew | hayp: what are you trying to do? |
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| 18:20.54 | xingu | nhuisman2: it'll make sure that a given file at a given path on the source is the same as that on the target |
| 18:20.56 | gpm | Xsnoopy: nevermind...check out psmisc |
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| 18:20.59 | nhuisman2 | will the package manager on the client workstation know it has the new version of the package now, or do I now just have the binaries for that package |
| 18:21.01 | gpm | !info psmisc |
| 18:21.05 | dpkg | psmisc: (Utilities that use the proc filesystem), section admin, is optional. Version: 22.5-1 (sid), Packaged size: 82 kB, Installed size: 480 kB |
| 18:21.11 | smash | hiiiiiiiiiiiiii heeeeeeeeelp |
| 18:21.17 | xingu | nhuisman2: nb it doesn't /merge/ changes, it computes a binary diff needed to duplicate the source on the target. |
| 18:21.23 | smash | hi gpm |
| 18:21.32 | abrotman | !ask |
| 18:21.33 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 18:21.33 | xingu | nhuisman2: no, this is under the skin of your package manager |
| 18:21.39 | sn0 | smashpop from quakenet? |
| 18:21.40 | smash | do you know anything about tuxtype |
| 18:21.41 | gpm | smash: hi |
| 18:21.45 | xingu | nhuisman2: for clustered package management I'd suggest learning about expect. |
| 18:21.47 | tarzeau | abrotman: that's fun http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=30323 |
| 18:22.04 | nhuisman2 | k i'll check it out |
| 18:22.17 | asg | nhuisman2: also look at cfengine2 |
| 18:22.21 | xingu | nhuisman2: ... welcome to the bleeding edge; nb expect is just a driver for scripting terminal sessions... |
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| 18:22.26 | jelly | puppet? |
| 18:22.27 | abrotman | smash: ask a better question |
| 18:22.33 | gpm | smash: i don't |
| 18:22.37 | k_vv | hello...I'm new in debian (not in linux) and just wanna know 2 things...why to install packages I have to insert CD with install iso image and how to change fonts in my fluxbox because changing in xorg.conf doesn't do a thing |
| 18:24.01 | k_vv | ? |
| 18:24.01 | abrotman | smash: though i suspect you're failing because you're holding in your vowel keys |
| 18:24.01 | smash | hi abrotman |
| 18:24.01 | mith | jelly: here's the bug |
| 18:24.01 | dnanar | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:24.01 | mith | jelly: it's not in the -V output, like i said this is a backassward debian patch |
| 18:24.01 | mith | jelly: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=349729 |
| 18:24.02 | gpm | k_vv: you don't have to use a cd |
| 18:24.02 | gpm | k_vv: the fonts for fluxbox should be configurable via the fluxbox menu |
| 18:24.02 | asg | k_vv: 1) change your cd sources to network or other sources (man sources.list) 2) edit ~/.fluxbox/styles/* files |
| 18:24.02 | k_vv | gpm:I have to |
| 18:24.02 | gpm | k_vv: no, you don't |
| 18:24.02 | k_vv | insert a cd |
| 18:24.02 | xingu | nhuisman2: cfengine2 is a reasonable framework if you're into such things; I usually find them to be stone soup - the framework is rarely the issue, the fiddly bits are the site-local customisations required to make the site work. |
| 18:24.02 | gpm | no |
| 18:24.02 | gpm | you don't |
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| 18:24.02 | gpm | if you don't want to use the cd, you need to reconfigure apt |
| 18:24.02 | nhuisman2 | yeah I didn't want something so complex as cfengine |
| 18:24.03 | jelly | mith: AFAICT the documentation (man page) says there's an explicit list of envvars that are cleaned. anything else might be considered a bug |
| 18:24.10 | babilen | k_vv: install sources are configured in /etc/apt/sources.list. You can enter a network mirror there. Read documentstion on apt-get/aptitude |
| 18:24.18 | nhuisman2 | yuck expect uses tcl |
| 18:24.20 | mith | jelly: the man page is wrong, look at that bug, it was a patch by the "security team" |
| 18:24.22 | gpm | either edit sources.list |
| 18:24.27 | k_vv | so why after apt-get install mplayer i get insert '/cdrom/' and press enter |
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| 18:24.33 | smash | abrotman do you know any thing about tux typing |
| 18:24.42 | xingu | nhuisman2: there's a net::telnet and net::ssh perl module that'll get you from here to there too. |
| 18:24.42 | mith | jelly: but apparently there's been more activity on that bug since i last looked and it has the instructions for whitelisting variables now |
| 18:24.50 | abrotman | smash: ask a real question .. don't ask me if i know anything about it .. ask your real question |
| 18:24.50 | nhuisman2 | k_w you need to remove the cdrom as a source in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:24.50 | gpm | k_vv: probably because your sources.list only has a CD source |
| 18:24.56 | xingu | nhuisman2: but expect is pretty damn robust - it's pretty widely used. |
| 18:25.02 | jelly | mith: which is kinda dumb, but better than nothing I guess |
| 18:25.10 | gpm | smash: what do you want to know about it, exactly? |
| 18:25.13 | k_vv | no...it has http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing/main |
| 18:25.18 | k_vv | for example |
| 18:25.26 | gpm | k |
| 18:25.49 | xingu | nhuisman2: perl scripting wrappers tend to need additional love in the way of internal watchdogs/keepalives to make sure that the foreign perl module itself doesn't lock up or go nuts. |
| 18:25.54 | mith | jelly: ya the patch is fucking retarded, if you look at the bug it's basically a bunch of sysadmins going "wtf is wrong with you revert this patch, sudo can already do this" |
| 18:26.01 | dnanar | may anyone help me please ? |
| 18:26.18 | gpm | k_vv: well, that's not how it's supposed to be entered, it should be: http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing main |
| 18:26.26 | mith | jelly: in fact, you can force sudo to act like the patch does by just setting env_reset, it's just dumb |
| 18:26.28 | mith | jelly: :) |
| 18:26.40 | gpm | and you'll want a deb in front |
| 18:26.42 | xingu | nhuisman2: if your question is - "is there a cluster-aware package manager" - the answer is no. :) |
| 18:26.45 | jelly | mith: dunno, if you feel you can provide a better explanation, maybe you should reopen it |
| 18:26.47 | babilen | read up on apt here: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html |
| 18:26.48 | gpm | deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing main |
| 18:26.51 | smash | gpm i heard that in the latest tuxtyping they used utf8 encoding is it right? |
| 18:26.57 | nhuisman2 | yeah I guess i'll just need to research it some more |
| 18:27.04 | gpm | smash: well i don't know anything about it, but that's a better question |
| 18:27.07 | xingu | nhuisman2: feel free to write one; there's nothing about f.e. debconf that says it couldn't be an ldap map |
| 18:27.12 | babilen | k_vv: but the proposed fix, should help with your immediate needs.. |
| 18:27.18 | gpm | smash wants to know if they use utf in the latest tuxtyping |
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| 18:27.26 | mith | jelly: oh fucking shit, you can't have a variable with a '/' in it passed through env_check so this wont even work for my problem |
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| 18:27.50 | jelly | mith: heh. UTSL? :-) |
| 18:28.03 | mith | ? |
| 18:28.20 | jelly | mith: use the Source, Luke (rebuild without the patch) |
| 18:28.22 | k_vv | ok...my mistake...there was one cd annotation ;] (what a shame):) |
| 18:28.25 | xingu | mith: base64 encode it and decode it again in .profile ;) |
| 18:28.35 | jelly | xingu: o.O |
| 18:28.40 | mith | haha, no |
| 18:28.43 | smash | yes gpm |
| 18:28.46 | stickybit` | which application is similar to `microsoft terminal services client' ? |
| 18:28.53 | jelly | stickybit`: rdesktop |
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| 18:29.11 | jelly | stickybit`: krdc if you're using KDE |
| 18:29.11 | gpm | smash: sorry i can't help |
| 18:29.23 | asg | stickybit`: it's broken in etch though, sadly |
| 18:29.23 | stickybit` | jelly: does it creates sessions? |
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| 18:29.33 | gpm | i'm sure someone in here might know...have you searched google for this info? |
| 18:29.38 | stickybit` | asg: ? krdc? |
| 18:29.40 | smash | oky do you know any other channel where i can ask this question |
| 18:29.47 | jelly | stickybit`: um, no, that's litreally to connect to Windows machines |
| 18:29.48 | asg | stickybit`: no, rdesktop |
| 18:30.06 | jelly | stickybit`: you want something for Linux <-> Linux? |
| 18:30.09 | stickybit` | jelly: krdc doesent creates sessions |
| 18:30.17 | mith | jelly: also, sudo env - VISUAL=/usr/bin/vim /usr/sbin/visudo; is fucking annoying is another reason this needs to be fixed, ha |
| 18:30.20 | stickybit` | jelly: yeah |
| 18:30.33 | mith | because i don't want to use nano goddamn it |
| 18:30.48 | asg | mith: update-alternatives --config editor |
| 18:30.54 | jelly | stickybit`: I do it with vnc when I have to |
| 18:30.55 | stickybit` | jelly: which one is for linux <> windows |
| 18:30.57 | babilen | nhuisman2: there are a plethora of options to setup a cluster of computers, check out beowolf, cfenginde, FAI, DCC (debian cluster components), OSCAR, .... |
| 18:31.01 | xingu | nhuisman2: take a look at /etc/debconf.conf - it can use an ldap map these days |
| 18:31.02 | stickybit` | jelly: ok |
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| 18:31.19 | gpm | smash: i don't know, you could try ##linux |
| 18:31.24 | jelly | stickybit`: linux client -> windows server == rdesktop (or grdesktop for a wrapper) |
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| 18:32.12 | Mark17 | is it possible to stop a mysql server without using kill when i did install it using apt-get? |
| 18:32.14 | Amarande | mith, you don't want to do that. |
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| 18:32.28 | Amarande | you *really* don't want sudo visudo to be usable ... :| |
| 18:32.28 | alien_ | http://pastebin.ca/481221 |
| 18:32.30 | stickybit` | jelly: ok |
| 18:32.30 | alien_ | can someone help me out |
| 18:32.38 | asg | Mark17: /etc/init.d/mysql stop |
| 18:32.41 | gpm | Mark17: /etc/init.d/mysql stop (or mysqld or whatever the script is) |
| 18:32.48 | gpm | damn, beat me |
| 18:32.55 | Amarande | you might as well just allow 'sudo bash' :| |
| 18:32.56 | alien_ | /etc/init.d/mysql stop |
| 18:32.57 | xingu | nhuisman2: that'll allow the debconf choices to be held centrally at least; the next bit is clustered package manager; fai does look pretty promising :) |
| 18:32.58 | alien_ | would be correct |
| 18:32.59 | stickybit` | jelly: you know there is option `remote x' on kdm |
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| 18:33.05 | stickybit` | jelly: how to use it? |
| 18:33.06 | gpm | sudo -i? |
| 18:33.08 | claudio` | hola |
| 18:33.14 | alien_ | http://pastebin.ca/481221 |
| 18:33.15 | Amarande | mith, have you read the security warnings at *all* in the sudo manpage? |
| 18:33.16 | alien_ | can someone help me out |
| 18:33.27 | claudio` | Can't configure pppoe from a netinst? |
| 18:33.38 | gpm | alien_: i'm sure someone can |
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| 18:33.46 | mith | Amarande: I know full well what I'm doing. I understand the implications. I need this overriden for a paticular script being run through sudo. |
| 18:33.56 | mith | Amarande: that was just an offhand comment |
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| 18:34.08 | gpm | oh i see |
| 18:34.14 | gpm | you asked your question on pastebin |
| 18:34.16 | gpm | interesting |
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| 18:34.34 | asg | mith: can't you just set the environment in the script itself? |
| 18:34.45 | alien_ | gpm: mm i think i found another phpmyadmin config file |
| 18:34.50 | funtable | claudio: probaly you ll need to install pppoe pachage |
| 18:34.56 | alien_ | one is located at /etc/phpmyadmin/config.inc.php |
| 18:34.56 | mith | asg: no |
| 18:35.08 | alien_ | and the second is at /var/lib/phpmyadmin/config.inc.php damn thing |
| 18:35.21 | gpm | alien_: i don't know anything about that program, sorry :( |
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| 18:35.30 | claudio` | funtable: i need to configure pppoe for the connection, how can i install that package? ;) |
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| 18:35.33 | hayp | What's the proper way to restart inetd in debian? |
| 18:35.39 | alien_ | hhehe ok gpm |
| 18:35.40 | asg | hayp: /etc/init.d/inet restart |
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| 18:35.43 | hayp | thanks |
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| 18:35.50 | asg | hayp: or /etc/init.d/inetd |
| 18:35.58 | hayp | ok |
| 18:35.58 | funtable | claudio , lol ... i understand u |
| 18:36.11 | claudio` | funtable: yes.. i kwno |
| 18:36.12 | claudio` | :\ |
| 18:36.45 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 18:36.47 | gpm | pppoeconf |
| 18:36.48 | gpm | right |
| 18:36.52 | HardDisk_WP | how do I change my MySQL password |
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| 18:37.03 | claudio` | gpm: not from netinst |
| 18:37.08 | gpm | HardDisk_WP: this is VERY well documented |
| 18:37.14 | gpm | you're just lazy |
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| 18:37.15 | gpm | seriously |
| 18:37.26 | gpm | claudio`: oh yeah |
| 18:37.27 | gpm | haha |
| 18:37.29 | gpm | shit |
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| 18:37.40 | gpm | :( |
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| 18:38.00 | hayp | asg: inetd is not in that directory |
| 18:38.06 | asg | hayp: or inet? |
| 18:38.15 | claudio` | how can i get only the .deb with apt-get? |
| 18:38.20 | hayp | nope |
| 18:38.20 | claudio` | I need pppoeconf with all dependencies |
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| 18:38.31 | hayp | asg: it is in /usr/sbin/inetd |
| 18:38.40 | xingu | mith: sudoers(5), env_keep, env_check |
| 18:38.43 | asg | hayp: oh, if this is etch, it's openbsd-inetd |
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| 18:39.14 | hayp | asg: aah, I see thank you! |
| 18:39.14 | asg | hayp: or the venerable 'pkill -HUP inetd' |
| 18:39.14 | stickybit`_ | jelly: thanks for the information |
| 18:39.17 | karsten | hayp: ls /etc/init.d/*inet* |
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| 18:39.25 | karsten | hayp: Use your flippin' shell, dude. |
| 18:39.37 | hayp | karsten: yes I should use it more, thanks :) |
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| 18:40.02 | funtable | claudio : apt-get install pppoe |
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| 18:40.20 | claudio` | funtable: i can't install pppoe in that way |
| 18:40.24 | claudio` | because i have no connection. |
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| 18:40.30 | asg | karsten: like openntpd? :) |
| 18:40.44 | funtable | claudio : http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/r/rp-pppoe/pppoe_3.8-1.1_i386.deb |
| 18:40.45 | funtable | ? |
| 18:40.46 | claudio` | I need to fetch the packages and move there with an USB key, or so |
| 18:40.53 | karsten | asg: ? |
| 18:40.54 | claudio` | funtable: oh, ok |
| 18:40.55 | claudio` | THX |
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| 18:41.00 | asg | karsten: more OpenBSD involvement |
| 18:41.04 | gpm | !tell claudio` about pdo |
| 18:41.05 | jelly | stickybit`_: np. btw, the remote X bit is used when there remote server is accepting X connections from network. This is usually disabled as the protocol is not encrypted |
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| 18:41.51 | Mark17 | is there an option to change the root password when you don't know the password off a mysql server (on debian, mysql server 4.1)? |
| 18:41.59 | jelly | stickybit`: I'd suggest something like "/msg dpkg sshx" for running single X apps from the remote server |
| 18:42.01 | lfs | My grub does not have tab completion? |
| 18:42.02 | asg | Mark17: /msg dpkg i forgot mysql's password |
| 18:42.15 | lfs | I am using etch |
| 18:42.18 | gpm | hahaha |
| 18:42.21 | gpm | nice, asg |
| 18:42.25 | lfs | Debian:/home/lfs# grub --version |
| 18:42.25 | lfs | grub (GNU GRUB 0.97) |
| 18:42.28 | asg | hmmm |
| 18:42.31 | asg | gpm: someone erased it |
| 18:42.35 | slakmagik | I was afk for a bit - didn't see anything in the buffer, though - did anyone ever come up with what causes debian's man pager to search case insensitively by default? |
| 18:42.41 | asg | Mark17: /msg dpkg forgot mysql root password |
| 18:42.43 | gpm | i can't believe that was a real factoid |
| 18:42.58 | asg | gpm: it was. So is "i forgot root's password" |
| 18:43.02 | lfs | Can someone please check if tab completion works on their grub? |
| 18:43.06 | gpm | asg: nice |
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| 18:45.28 | jelly | !i forgot mysql password |
| 18:45.40 | gpm | you're dumb |
| 18:45.57 | jelly | gpm: no, that was the previous one |
| 18:46.02 | gpm | !forgot mysql root password |
| 18:46.02 | dpkg | If you've forgotten the mysql root password, /etc/init.d/mysql stop; mysqld --skip-grant-tables; mysql -u root; use mysql; UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('mynewpassword') WHERE User='root'; FLUSH PRIVILEGES; C-d; stop mysqld; /etc/init.d/mysql start, or http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/resetting-permissions.html |
| 18:46.16 | gpm | jelly: oh, you were making sure it doesn't work? |
| 18:46.32 | gpm | i'm an asshole, btw |
| 18:46.36 | jelly | gpm: tried without 's |
| 18:46.50 | gpm | see? i'm dumb. |
| 18:47.04 | lfs | So why would I have no tab completion with my grub? |
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| 18:47.23 | gpm | lfs what do you want that for? |
| 18:47.30 | gpm | just curious |
| 18:47.34 | claudio` | pppoe wants ppp but i can't find ppp in the packages list |
| 18:47.35 | jelly | lfs: hmm, you don't have menu? |
| 18:47.40 | lfs | It is really nice feature on grub |
| 18:47.41 | stew | claudio`: pppd |
| 18:47.58 | claudio` | stew: there isn't pppd too |
| 18:47.59 | claudio` | Does it have another weird name? |
| 18:48.06 | stew | oh, wait, it is ppp |
| 18:48.10 | stew | !info ppp |
| 18:48.13 | jelly | lfs: are you talking about filename completion for kernel and initrd commands? |
| 18:48.13 | dpkg | ppp: (Point-to-Point Protocol (PPP) daemon), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.4.4rel-9 (sid), Packaged size: 326 kB, Installed size: 1012 kB |
| 18:48.15 | lfs | Do you have it on Etch? |
| 18:48.20 | gpm | claudio`: if you check out packages.debian.org/pppoe, it will list all the dependenacies and link to their pacakges page |
| 18:48.31 | gpm | claudio`: this will greatly ease your current struggle |
| 18:48.31 | lfs | No you type in grub as root |
| 18:48.39 | claudio` | gpm: this is an interesting notice. THX |
| 18:48.53 | gpm | claudio`: YW |
| 18:48.53 | lfs | and then for example type root (hd{tab} |
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| 18:48.59 | stew | claudio`: please post the output of ' apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy ppp ' use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 18:49.00 | lfs | ANd you get your bootable drives. |
| 18:49.11 | lfs | which is very nice. |
| 18:49.25 | jelly | lfs: works for me! |
| 18:49.26 | gpm | lfs: i guess....or you could just configure menu.lst right and never have to deal with the grub shell |
| 18:49.37 | lfs | It does. So How do I fix mine? |
| 18:49.40 | gpm | jelly: is it a package or a config? |
| 18:49.46 | gpm | jelly: or maybe you have grub2? |
| 18:49.57 | claudio` | stew: i have to copy that output into a file, move it into the usb key, move it again here and post it |
| 18:50.00 | gpm | i've been meaning to try that out |
| 18:50.02 | jelly | gpm: is grub2 even in Debian? |
| 18:50.03 | lfs | Debian:/home/lfs# grub --version |
| 18:50.03 | lfs | grub (GNU GRUB 0.97) |
| 18:50.05 | claudio` | :) |
| 18:50.23 | gpm | jelly: jelly in testing/unstable |
| 18:50.26 | lfs | If I boot a knoppix disk I have it. |
| 18:50.27 | gpm | jelly: not in etch |
| 18:50.36 | jelly | gpm: I don't use crappy untested software unless it has serious eyecandy value, so no grub2 for me |
| 18:50.43 | slakmagik | okay, let me ask another question instead - is there a way to file a bug without providing an email address? |
| 18:50.45 | lfs | So how to fix a broken Debian package? |
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| 18:50.49 | gpm | jelly: haha, unstable's stable enough for me |
| 18:50.51 | funtable | claudio`: so http://packages.debian.org/stable/net/pppoe shows dependencies too :) |
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| 18:51.10 | Amarande | yeah, I wouldn't want to risk upgrading the bootloader unless necessary |
| 18:51.15 | mystic_source | i'm sorry but i'm having here a litle trouble try to install ati kernel driver to have compiz and dri enable |
| 18:51.15 | Amarande | it might make my system not do certain things |
| 18:51.18 | Amarande | like, say, boot |
| 18:51.27 | jelly | gpm: there was a guy with some critical dpkg/unstable breakage just today |
| 18:51.28 | lfs | I Need to fix my grub it is necessary |
| 18:51.42 | jelly | lfs: maybe your devices.map is misconfigured? |
| 18:51.58 | gpm | Amarande: while i agree, this guy's boner for grub tab-completion is never-ending |
| 18:51.58 | mystic_source | to enable direct rendering ... someone can give me a litle help please |
| 18:52.02 | gpm | and throbbing |
| 18:52.06 | lfs | devices.map? |
| 18:52.08 | lfs | Dont think so. |
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| 18:52.20 | lfs | what would that have to do with tab completion? |
| 18:52.26 | Amarande | lfs, maybe grub is too complicated for you |
| 18:52.30 | Amarande | perhaps you should use lilo. :) |
| 18:52.30 | jelly | lfs: also, grub in command line acts differently from grub when booted... maybe the real one works? |
| 18:52.39 | gpm | mystic_source: don't you just want to add the dri option? |
| 18:52.47 | lfs | IT works, i dont have tab completion |
| 18:52.54 | mystic_source | gpm yes i want that the problem lol |
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| 18:53.03 | mystic_source | gpm i don`t have it lol |
| 18:53.08 | lfs | So I have Debian package that doesnt work right. How to fix it??????????????? |
| 18:53.10 | jelly | lfs: are you asking what trying to complete hd* has to do with hd* enumeration in devices.map? |
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| 18:53.26 | jelly | lfs: a lot, I'd guess |
| 18:53.30 | mystic_source | gpm i allready try to compile the kernel and everything and nathing :| |
| 18:53.34 | lfs | I am asking how to fix a Debian package that does not work right. |
| 18:53.39 | mystic_source | the kernel modole to fglrx |
| 18:53.39 | jelly | lfs: which one? |
| 18:53.55 | lfs | grub!!!!!?????!!!!! |
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| 18:53.56 | foo | hmm, it's taking a while for a domain name to resolve. Like, 4 seconds. Tested with time wget http://somedomain.com ... when I change the nameserver from 172.0.0.1 to 4.2.2.1 (bind9 is installed locally, btw)... it resolves in < 1 second. Any ideas? |
| 18:53.56 | gpm | mystic_source: http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/DriTroubleshooting |
| 18:53.59 | sepski | lfs, usualy you write a bug report |
| 18:54.01 | gpm | mystic_source: i know nothing about fglrx though |
| 18:54.09 | gpm | jesus |
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| 18:54.16 | stew | lfs: did you check the your device.map and groot are set appropriately? |
| 18:54.22 | gpm | it's tab-completion on something you should hopefully never have to use |
| 18:54.22 | lfs | But if someone else is using etch and it works. What is sense of that? |
| 18:54.26 | gpm | why is it necessary? |
| 18:54.33 | lfs | I dont have tab completion |
| 18:54.39 | mystic_source | gpm i'm been allready there and nathing ... i think it is becausesome mistake ... when i try to compile the module from fglrx |
| 18:54.46 | Amarande | foo, perhaps 172.0.0.1 isn't your localhost IP |
| 18:54.48 | jelly | lfs: you're repeating yourself |
| 18:54.52 | Amarande | did you really type it that way? |
| 18:54.53 | gpm | mystic_source: i use nvidia...sorry |
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| 18:55.03 | gpm | maybe his keyboard is broken |
| 18:55.05 | lfs | Because people keep mentioning device.map |
| 18:55.09 | mystic_source | gpm ok np thanks anyway :) |
| 18:55.11 | lfs | It works with knoppix |
| 18:55.17 | jelly | lfs: MAYBE BECAUSE IT'S RELEVANT |
| 18:55.21 | stew | easy |
| 18:55.22 | jelly | *phew* |
| 18:55.24 | mystic_source | anyone here that use ati driver?! |
| 18:55.30 | gpm | yes they do |
| 18:55.32 | stew | mystic_source: sure. lots |
| 18:55.37 | gpm | but you should say what your problem is |
| 18:55.44 | gpm | not ask if anyone uses the driver....lots of people do |
| 18:55.52 | foo | Amarande: whoops, 127.0.0.1 I meant. |
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| 18:56.19 | lfs | What does devices.map have to do with tab completion in grub? |
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| 18:56.31 | Amarande | foo, try testing it again |
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| 18:56.44 | lfs | Let me try a reinstall. What is command to reinstall grub? |
| 18:56.45 | gpm | lfs: probably because grub uses it to complete those tabs |
| 18:56.47 | jinzo | hello, my friend installed gnome on one box, and i want to remove it, apt-get remove gnome gnome-desktop didn't unistall nautilus and other gui packages, how can I unistall them ? |
| 18:56.47 | Amarande | it could quite possibly be that 4.2.2.1 already had that hostname in its cache, while your local one had to go out and search for it |
| 18:57.03 | mystic_source | gpm well if i know what the problem is ... i can fix it i think |
| 18:57.03 | lfs | no it doesnt |
| 18:57.03 | gpm | lfs: apt-get install --reinstall grub |
| 18:57.04 | lfs | you can type grub |
| 18:57.10 | lfs | and then hit tab and it gives a list of commands. |
| 18:57.18 | arijit | i was using etch. then installed few softwares through automatix. yesterday, i upgraded myself to lenny. after that while starting automatix, it says "debian version not found". |
| 18:57.22 | mystic_source | the oly thing i see is that .. when i compile the module from fglrx gives me one mistake |
| 18:57.24 | chops | In case anyone cares, my exim troubles stemmed from local_domains being space-separated instead of colon-separated |
| 18:57.25 | arijit | what can i do? |
| 18:57.30 | jelly | lfs: when you reboot the machine, and try completion there, does it work? |
| 18:57.41 | Amarande | chops: pebkac? :) |
| 18:57.43 | lfs | I get a menu |
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| 18:58.04 | chops | It's actually been wrong for years, but yesterday something changed about the hostname-/etc/hosts-ifconfig configuration, which finally exposed the lack of a correct exim configuration |
| 18:58.04 | gpm | arijit: automatix is for ubuntu, plus it sucks |
| 18:58.07 | jelly | lfs: there are some instructions under hte menu. |
| 18:58.22 | chops | Amarande: pebkac indeed |
| 18:58.23 | jelly | lfs: I believe one of them is on how to get the prompt. |
| 18:58.26 | arijit | i know it now:( |
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| 18:58.35 | gpm | lfs: yes...and... |
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| 18:58.50 | gpm | i think now that he's talking about shell completion |
| 18:58.54 | gpm | for commands |
| 18:58.56 | chops | Amarande: peb MY ka MY, sadly |
| 18:58.59 | stew | gpm: no, he's talking about grub, not shell |
| 18:59.00 | jelly | gpm: hush! |
| 18:59.00 | arijit | actually i recently switched from ubuntu to debian. i found it better than *buntu |
| 18:59.02 | stew | gpm: the grub shell |
| 18:59.14 | gpm | ok |
| 18:59.20 | jelly | ;-) |
| 18:59.20 | lfs | right no shell completion in grub shell |
| 18:59.33 | lfs | and still not there after reinstall |
| 19:00.00 | mystic_source | i'm follow http://technowizah.com/2006/10/debian-how-to-ati-drivers.html |
| 19:00.00 | mystic_source | this to compile the ati drivers kernel |
| 19:00.00 | stew | lfs: i think we all thought you were talking about tab completion when you, for instnace, hit 'e' from the grub menu which booting |
| 19:00.03 | mystic_source | ermm module kernel |
| 19:00.13 | gpm | he's on etch right? |
| 19:00.20 | stew | mystic_source: which radeon chipset do you have? |
| 19:00.30 | mark_s | hi, I am installing etch on an older PC at the moment. |
| 19:00.30 | gpm | does it say "TAB lists possible command completeions"? |
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| 19:00.38 | mystic_source | stew i'm using one gigabyte x1600 ati |
| 19:00.39 | gpm | when you start the shell? |
| 19:00.45 | stew | lfs: yeah, the grub shell doesn't tab complete for me either |
| 19:00.48 | n3kl_ | When I try to install a package compiled with checkinstall, I get trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/ld', which is also in package binutils. Any ideas on how to correct this? |
| 19:00.50 | stew | gpm: yes |
| 19:00.54 | lfs | It doesnt |
| 19:00.57 | gpm | stew: but it doesn't complete for you? |
| 19:00.58 | lfs | THat is good news |
| 19:01.00 | gpm | oh, weird |
| 19:01.00 | foo | Amarande: 4 seconds... uh, it was a typo here, not in my resolv.conf |
| 19:01.01 | stew | gpm: correct |
| 19:01.03 | gpm | mine does |
| 19:01.08 | gpm | 0.97 right? |
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| 19:01.09 | ofir | anyone knows how to install STLab PCI:parallel_port card? |
| 19:01.13 | lfs | Debian:/home/lfs# grub --version |
| 19:01.13 | lfs | grub (GNU GRUB 0.97) |
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| 19:01.27 | mark_s | I want to use raid. but etch doesn't see the drieves as raid. which I configured in the bios (MSI KT880 Delta) |
| 19:01.27 | mystic_source | that bored because i can`t run googleearth and nathing :x |
| 19:01.29 | stew | lfs: i haven't, however, run grub-install on this machine |
| 19:01.31 | gpm | yeah, we're all on 0.97, but different debian revision |
| 19:01.32 | gpm | s |
| 19:01.33 | stew | lfs: (i use lilo on this machine) |
| 19:01.42 | Begasus | wtg ;) |
| 19:01.46 | mystic_source | neither the secondlife the famose game that is now to linux to |
| 19:01.48 | Bushmills | 'morning |
| 19:01.51 | gpm | stable and testing are at -27, while unstable's at -28 |
| 19:01.56 | regulate_ | your grub> shell should tab comp |
| 19:01.58 | gpm | maybe they fixed it at -28 |
| 19:01.59 | lfs | what does Debian:/home/lfs# grub --version bring? |
| 19:02.05 | regulate_ | the boot: prompt doesn't |
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| 19:02.46 | gpm | no |
| 19:02.50 | stew | gpm: no, i have another machine here where it tab completes with -27 |
| 19:02.51 | gpm | it would've made the changelog |
| 19:02.53 | gpm | yeah |
| 19:03.02 | gpm | plus it's not in changelog.Debian |
| 19:03.06 | gpm | for -28 |
| 19:03.07 | stew | lfs: it works for me on another machine that acutally is running grub |
| 19:03.10 | jelly | lfs: please pastebin the complete output of these commands: "dpkg -l grub", "echo $TERM", "grub" (up to and including the prompt) |
| 19:03.12 | regulate_ | mystic_source: what seems to be the problem? |
| 19:03.17 | stew | gpm: it woudlnt' be if it were an upstream fix |
| 19:03.20 | evilgeek | grub has tab-completed since the dawn of time. |
| 19:03.30 | gpm | stew: good call, but we're all using the same upstream version |
| 19:03.37 | gpm | just different debian packagings |
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| 19:03.50 | ofir | There are instructions for FC but some stuff aren't like what I have |
| 19:03.55 | stew | lfs: is grub working on this machine? have you run grub-install? |
| 19:04.00 | gpm | it must be a configuration |
| 19:04.05 | gpm | try purging and reinstalling |
| 19:04.05 | lfs | grub works |
| 19:04.09 | mystic_source | regulate_ well i'm try to fix my direct rendering to use secondlife the game goodlearth compiz ... but i can`t and i don`t know why i think it is osmething about some error thati have when i try to compile the module fglrx |
| 19:04.13 | mystic_source | to the kernel |
| 19:04.15 | stew | lfs: is /boot a separate partition? |
| 19:04.19 | lfs | no |
| 19:04.21 | gpm | stew: but you had the same issue, right? |
| 19:04.29 | stew | gpm: on one machine yes, on the other now |
| 19:04.32 | regulate_ | mystic_source: whats the error |
| 19:04.33 | stew | ^now^no |
| 19:04.38 | lfs | How to pastebin? |
| 19:04.43 | gpm | stew: you don't remember the fix? |
| 19:04.43 | stew | !pastebin |
| 19:04.44 | dpkg | pastebin is, like, a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.ca/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 19:05.13 | mystic_source | regulate_ i'm nt a shure if it is only from there :x give me one minute please to i copy paste the errror please thanks :) |
| 19:05.18 | stew | gpm: no, i didn't realize it was broken. i just tried it on two diffferent machines with the same version of grub, and they behave differently |
| 19:05.34 | gpm | stew: and you don't meddle with grub config too much right? |
| 19:05.39 | stew | gpm: the only differences i can think of is that the non-working one doesn't actually run grub, but lilo, and the non-woroking one is amd64 |
| 19:05.47 | stew | gpm: i don't have any grub config on this machine |
| 19:05.54 | gpm | huh |
| 19:06.00 | stew | gpm: i don't use grub on this machine |
| 19:06.12 | stew | gpm: i only have it installed from installing grub to a usb key |
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| 19:06.27 | lfs | http://pastebin.ca/481268 |
| 19:06.29 | gpm | stew: even if it's only because grub-install hasn't been run, it's still worth sending to the bts |
| 19:07.38 | gpm | there's nothing in there about tab-completion |
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| 19:07.38 | lfs | Should I do a purge? WHat is command for that? |
| 19:07.38 | stew | lfs: no, it won't matter |
| 19:07.38 | stew | lfs: what arch are you on? |
| 19:07.39 | gpm | lfs: yeah, i thought it might be config, but i was wrong |
| 19:07.40 | lfs | amd64 |
| 19:07.50 | stew | lfs: could be an amd64 releated problem |
| 19:07.53 | h3sp4wn | Not working for me on amd64 either |
| 19:08.02 | gpm | ahh |
| 19:08.07 | gpm | the new arch |
| 19:08.08 | lfs | that is good to hear. |
| 19:08.13 | gpm | haha |
| 19:08.15 | gpm | is it? |
| 19:08.20 | gpm | i guess for you it is |
| 19:09.31 | gpm | for debian it isn't |
| 19:09.31 | gpm | :p |
| 19:09.31 | mystic_source | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:09.31 | mystic_source | there i sno makefile |
| 19:09.31 | gpm | well someone should file a bug |
| 19:09.32 | gpm | not me, works fine on i386 |
| 19:09.32 | gpm | naturally |
| 19:09.32 | regulate_ | mystic_source: did you use the ati installer? |
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| 19:09.44 | mystic_source | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:09.47 | mystic_source | another error |
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| 19:10.37 | regulate_ | mystic_source: dont use make.sh |
| 19:10.44 | regulate_ | mystic_source: use m-a a-i fglrx |
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| 19:11.38 | stew | lfs: are you going to reportbug? |
| 19:11.39 | mystic_source | regulate_ i try this to but don`t looks it is not working :X |
| 19:11.39 | lfs | I will do it later |
| 19:11.43 | mystic_source | regulate_ sh ati-driver-installer-8.36.5-x86.x86_64.run --buildpkg Debian/etch -> i use ... ./ati-driver-installer-8.36.5-x86.x86_64.run directly and nathing ... |
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| 19:12.32 | tvynr | Anyone know where I can get my hands on a list of wireless PCI cards that support master mode in Linux? |
| 19:12.46 | regulate_ | mystic_source: sh ati ...... --builddpkg Debian/etch gives you nothing? |
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| 19:13.20 | regulate_ | mystic_source: it should create 4 .deb files |
| 19:13.37 | tvynr | Just bought a D-Link DWL-G510 and, in my ignorance, failed to ensure that it can be put into master mode. I'm now getting 'Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) : SET failed on device ath0 ; Invalid argument.' which I understand to mean that the card doesn't support Master. |
| 19:14.02 | stew | lfs: got confirmation from two other amd64 users, i'm reporting it |
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| 19:14.02 | mystic_source | regulate_ nathing it simple install it ok ... install the source and everything in the right palace then i go to use the m-a a-i fglrx and says -> makefile this file don`t is there |
| 19:14.20 | mystic_source | regulate_ correct it creates .deb files and install it ok ... i got bether colors and everything in the display ... the problema is really the module i think :| |
| 19:14.33 | Quibus | stew: thanks, this works indeed fine, it now says -1, in stead of 500. Thanks for the advice :-) |
| 19:14.38 | mystic_source | or some bad configurations here i don`t know that why i asking :x |
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| 19:15.57 | slakmagik | okay, let me ask another question instead - can someone else try searching for '/ hist' in bash(1) and tell me if they get hits on hist and HIST or just hist? Is this a debian issue, or my setup? |
| 19:15.58 | regulate_ | mystic_source: do you have fglrx.tar.bz2 in your /usr/src |
| 19:16.23 | slakmagik | I can find all sorts of stuff on case-sensitivity regarding searching *for* man pages, but nothing about searching *in* man pages |
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| 19:16.39 | chops | slakmagik: That's up to whatever pager man is using, I would think |
| 19:16.56 | mutantpineapple | is there any way of forcing dpkg to upgrade non-dpkg owned files? |
| 19:17.05 | mystic_source | regulate yes i have ... i try to use the make.sh and everything and nathing to |
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| 19:17.06 | asg | slakmagik: what 'pager' are you using? |
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| 19:17.12 | slakmagik | well, that's my point - less is case-sensitive by default and that's how I have it configured - something seems to be gratuitously throwing in an '-i' flag |
| 19:17.17 | mystic_source | give other mistake |
| 19:17.22 | slakmagik | asg: less |
| 19:17.28 | regulate_ | mystic_source: use the pastbine service to show me your error |
| 19:17.32 | mark_s | hwo do I get etch to recognize my onboard raid controller. I use a MSI board with a via VT8237 chipset |
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| 19:17.36 | regulate_ | pastebin* sorry |
| 19:17.39 | chops | slakmagik: My less is case insensitive (just tested in man bash(1)), and I haven't told it to be that way that I remember |
| 19:17.42 | asg | slakmagik: doing a '/hist' matches both hist and HIST |
| 19:17.42 | mystic_source | regulate when i use make.sh? |
| 19:17.45 | regulate_ | yes |
| 19:17.46 | mystic_source | ok |
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| 19:18.02 | slakmagik | right - I consider this either a bug or an undocumented configuration - in which case it's a different bug |
| 19:18.04 | tarzeau | !seen azar |
| 19:18.04 | dpkg | azar <i=macondo@h-66-166-120-11.lsanca54.covad.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1d 5h 36m 5s ago, saying: 'ahhhhh dual monitors.. sorry'. |
| 19:18.18 | tarzeau | anyone play some bub-n-bros.sf.net with me, if so come to #bub-n-bros? |
| 19:18.23 | chops | slakmagik: Why would it be a bug? I like case insensitive search in less. |
| 19:18.26 | slakmagik | chops, asg - thanks - so I know it's not just me |
| 19:18.45 | slakmagik | chops: doesn't matter if you like it or not - something is doing it without your telling it in an undocumented way |
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| 19:19.27 | slakmagik | less is the pager, less is case-sensitive by default, searching in man pages is case-insensitive - why? No documentation on it. That's buggy. |
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| 19:19.48 | slakmagik | -+i fixes when appended to PAGER, but I shouldn't need to do that |
| 19:20.05 | chops | slakmagik: less is case insensitive by default in debian. 'echo THREE > /tmp/foo; less /tmp/foo' |
| 19:20.06 | slakmagik | -i should need to be appended if you want case-insensitive searches |
| 19:20.15 | mystic_source | regulate_ is here -> http://pastebin.ca/481288 |
| 19:20.28 | asg | slakmagik: from the manpage, if the search param is all lower case, it will match on both lower and upper |
| 19:20.38 | asg | slakmagik: if you search for HIST, it should only match on uppercase |
| 19:20.39 | slakmagik | that;s with the i flag |
| 19:20.48 | slakmagik | unless with the I flag |
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| 19:21.37 | slakmagik | chops: my less is case-sensitive on debian unless I'm using it as a man pager |
| 19:21.39 | mystic_source | regulate_ i think ... i'm see the problem ... or i'm mistake :X |
| 19:21.53 | aphexer | when i run locale i see it's set to en_US.UTF8, when i sudo su - and then run locale, it's to 'POSIX', how is this possible? |
| 19:22.20 | regulate_ | mystic_source: try m-a update |
| 19:22.30 | asg | slakmagik: that is true, I wonder if man is changing the pager conf |
| 19:22.31 | mystic_source | regulate_ ok |
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| 19:23.09 | mystic_source | regulate_ done it |
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| 19:23.15 | slakmagik | asg: right, I think it must be, but I've looked through all docs and scripts, alternative stuff, man-db, less stuff, stfw and so on, and can't find what's doing it |
| 19:23.19 | regulate_ | mystic_source: now try m-a a-i fglrx |
| 19:23.47 | slakmagik | like I say, it's easy to fix, but it bugs me that I can't figure why it needs to be fixed ;) |
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| 19:24.28 | asg | slakmagik: agreed, that is odd. Does bugs.debian.org say anything about the man* packages in this regard? |
| 19:24.31 | mystic_source | regulate_ same problema thta i tell to you in the first -> makefile no such file ordirectory |
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| 19:24.52 | regulate_ | mystic_source: and you've installed the kernel-headers package ? |
| 19:24.55 | mattwalston | Anyone else having issues with sky2 drivers loosing connectivity and regaining on network restart? |
| 19:24.56 | slakmagik | not that I could find - I'm not real familiar with the BTS interface, but I turned up lots of less and man-db bugs and nothing on this |
| 19:25.04 | mystic_source | regulate_ i bealiver the software is try to look the kernel in diferente pleaces ... |
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| 19:25.27 | regulate_ | mystic_source: what kernel are you running? |
| 19:25.28 | mystic_source | regulate_ yes i have it i do everything that is here ... -> http://technowizah.com/2006/10/debian-how-to-ati-drivers.html |
| 19:25.37 | stew | lfs: #423235 |
| 19:25.51 | mystic_source | regulate_ is in the pastebin .... 2.6.18-4-amd64 |
| 19:25.57 | slakmagik | also, it didn't occur to me at first to look through the changelog.Debian.gz files, but then I did, hoping it would be noted when this was introduced, but nothing there either |
| 19:26.00 | mystic_source | cat: /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-amd64/build/include/linux/version-*.h: No such file or directory |
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| 19:26.27 | mystic_source | what this coud be :x |
| 19:26.33 | asg | slakmagik: If a recent version of less is used as the pager, man will attempt to set its prompt and some sensible options. (from the manpage. Perhaps -i is what is considered a *sensible* option?) |
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| 19:26.57 | gpm | i like most |
| 19:27.01 | gpm | it's more than more and less |
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| 19:27.37 | gpm | lol |
| 19:27.39 | mystic_source | make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-4-amd64' |
| 19:27.41 | mystic_source | make[1]: Makefile: No such file or directory |
| 19:27.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | YOU say so - but less is more than more so... |
| 19:27.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | that doesnt prove anything |
| 19:27.47 | slakmagik | ah - I noticed that about the prompt string, but didn't think of it as applying to search. Perhaps it is. But how does it do this? Is this in the code itself, and not scriptable or configurable? |
| 19:27.54 | mystic_source | i have the directorythere urggggggggggggggGGGggggGggg o0 0o :x |
| 19:28.02 | gpm | CutMeOwnThroat: most is more than less |
| 19:28.02 | regulate_ | mystic_source: one sec |
| 19:28.03 | gpm | and more |
| 19:28.06 | gpm | it's true |
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| 19:28.24 | slakmagik | I mean, -r is for overriding it, but they don't mention overriding anything else |
| 19:28.25 | stew | mystic_source: what are you trying to do? |
| 19:28.35 | stew | oh, hm, he's installing fglrx |
| 19:28.39 | asg | slakmagik: looks like you can override with $MANLESS or $LESS variables. I need to dig a little more though. |
| 19:28.44 | mystic_source | stew loll :) |
| 19:29.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | gpm this conversations has quite a tendency towards the cryptic :) |
| 19:29.03 | slakmagik | right, just append '-+i' to either PAGER or LESS - hadn't thought about/tried MANLESS |
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| 19:29.13 | stew | and now the tounge is hanging out |
| 19:29.14 | gpm | CutMeOwnThroat: yessir |
| 19:29.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 19:29.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | !most |
| 19:29.37 | dpkg | it has been said that most is more or less the same. a pager(1). apt-get install most |
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| 19:29.50 | xand | most has pretty colours! |
| 19:29.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | so has less |
| 19:30.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh |
| 19:30.02 | gpm | i like |
| 19:30.03 | xand | it does? |
| 19:30.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, it hasnt |
| 19:30.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | vi has :) |
| 19:30.11 | gpm | lol |
| 19:30.14 | xand | I think you mean vim |
| 19:30.18 | slakmagik | argh - 'By default man sets the -ix8 options' - that's it - how did I miss that? |
| 19:30.19 | xand | vi doesn't have colours AFAIK |
| 19:30.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, yes :) |
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| 19:30.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I call it vi |
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| 19:30.23 | gpm | lol |
| 19:30.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | when calling it |
| 19:30.30 | gpm | i call it vim |
| 19:30.36 | stew | xand: update-alternatives --auto vim ; and vi will have colors :) |
| 19:30.56 | slakmagik | asg: thanks - I muz be blind because it is documented a bit further down. |
| 19:30.57 | xand | stew: no it won't :P |
| 19:31.03 | stew | xand: no? |
| 19:31.09 | mes | hey there |
| 19:31.14 | xand | `vi` might, but the real vi won't ;P |
| 19:31.14 | mes | i need help there |
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| 19:31.39 | stew | xand: you mean the one that isn't in debian? no :) |
| 19:31.48 | abrotman | that's vim.tiny |
| 19:31.51 | Begasus | how do I edit sources.lst when I'm logged in as a user? |
| 19:31.58 | xand | mes: where? |
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| 19:32.04 | agent | I cannot believe most exists... less, more, most... at least least does not exist ;) |
| 19:32.06 | mes | im having a trouble detecting a ipaddress in my network |
| 19:32.06 | stew | mes: if you have a question, just ask it |
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| 19:32.08 | xand | argh lag |
| 19:32.11 | lu-bao | hello debian fans :D |
| 19:32.15 | lu-bao | good evening |
| 19:32.18 | stew | mes: be more specific |
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| 19:32.32 | mystic_source | hummmmmmmm .... |
| 19:32.32 | mystic_source | let's me try ... |
| 19:32.32 | mystic_source | here :x |
| 19:32.34 | mes | i have a computer who has a video network broken but all else works |
| 19:32.36 | asg | slakmagik: :) |
| 19:32.53 | regulate_ | maybe you need a modules image |
| 19:32.53 | regulate_ | installed |
| 19:32.53 | xand | a "video network broken"? |
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| 19:32.54 | xand | mes: what does that mean? |
| 19:32.55 | mes | now what is my trouble , i dont remember what is the network card address of the computer |
| 19:32.58 | mes | video card |
| 19:32.59 | agent | lu-bao: You colors are set wrong. |
| 19:33.05 | mes | video card broken |
| 19:33.12 | regulate_ | mystic_source: whats in your /lib/modules/ |
| 19:33.14 | lu-bao | what is wrong ? i cant read your name xD |
| 19:33.15 | xand | mes: are you havint two problems or what? |
| 19:33.22 | xand | *having |
| 19:33.23 | lu-bao | yellow eew my eyes X.x |
| 19:33.28 | mes | having |
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| 19:33.47 | chops | mes: If video and network are broken, how do you know the computer works? |
| 19:33.54 | lu-bao | agent: i dont know how to setup that i use irssi through terminal (gnome one with white background) |
| 19:33.58 | xand | chops: serial console? :) |
| 19:34.05 | chops | xand: Perhaps |
| 19:34.17 | mes | well |
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| 19:34.29 | mes | i dont remember what was the ip address of that computer |
| 19:34.33 | gpm | lu-bao: try a black background |
| 19:34.37 | lu-bao | how to remove every color in irssi (text and name not taskbars) |
| 19:34.39 | mes | and i dont know how i can detect that |
| 19:34.43 | gpm | right click in the terminal and edit current profile |
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| 19:34.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | aargh... damn dpkg |
| 19:34.48 | mes | because the video card is broken |
| 19:34.50 | xarquid | mes: Do you have a router you can open up in a browser window and see what IP address it is assigned? |
| 19:34.53 | lu-bao | agent: i dont have a black its a terminal and its white with black text and i love it :( |
| 19:34.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | 1000 questions about config files |
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| 19:35.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | whos gonna answer them? me |
| 19:35.05 | gpm | really? |
| 19:35.05 | xand | mes: you could try a broadcast ping |
| 19:35.06 | gpm | ugh |
| 19:35.13 | lu-bao | i wont change a whole terminal for an application XD |
| 19:35.13 | gpm | i hate white backgrounds |
| 19:35.13 | mes | broadcast ping ? |
| 19:35.15 | chops | mes: sudo nmap -sP 192.168.1.0/24, and look up the IPs for every other computer on the network by going to them manually :-) |
| 19:35.26 | agent | lu-bao: I believe that irssi by default uses white for your nick... hence using a white terminal background = you cannot see it. |
| 19:35.28 | chops | mes: sudo ping 192.168.1.255 |
| 19:35.29 | lu-bao | gpm: really :) white with black text is best to see i think |
| 19:35.30 | gpm | then you have to configure irssi |
| 19:35.31 | xand | lu-bao: you can get different themes for irssi, or you can turn colour off |
| 19:35.36 | gpm | yea |
| 19:35.42 | gpm | agent: you are right i think |
| 19:35.50 | lu-bao | xand: how to turn colour off ? |
| 19:36.01 | agent | lu-bao: Just change the theme or just change the single color yourself via the config. |
| 19:36.03 | lu-bao | i wont have color in irssi only taskbars should have this blue |
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| 19:36.19 | stew | lu-bao: /set colors off |
| 19:36.32 | lu-bao | ah nice :D thank you very much stew |
| 19:36.33 | lu-bao | is this saved? |
| 19:36.33 | regulate_ | mystic_source: dpkg -l 'linux-source*' do you have the right package installed? |
| 19:36.37 | stew | lu-bao: /save |
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| 19:36.48 | dazjorz | Hello |
| 19:36.55 | dazjorz | How do I rescan my IDE bus for new devices? |
| 19:36.56 | mes | mm |
| 19:36.56 | lu-bao | okay that was easy thanks to know these commands didnt knew for them before :) |
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| 19:37.10 | olaff | hello all, dumb noob question but how do i stop the user being shown in the command line, and also how do i stop it beeping when i enter a command? |
| 19:37.14 | gpm | does /help work? |
| 19:37.15 | mes | yeah but the trouble is that i dont know what is the ip address |
| 19:37.29 | gpm | yeah it does |
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| 19:37.36 | xand | martianc1de: do you mind? |
| 19:37.36 | lu-bao | gpm: i didnt knew either that /help exists i dont know irssi well *shamed* |
| 19:37.38 | mes | i need a way to find the real ip address of that computer |
| 19:37.47 | gpm | lu-bao: 's ok, i'm just getting used ot it |
| 19:37.48 | gpm | to |
| 19:37.49 | dazjorz | mes: http://whatismyip.com, I wonder if that does IPv6 yet though |
| 19:37.56 | gpm | i like the colors though |
| 19:38.00 | mystic_source | regulate_ i think so ... i just detect here something |
| 19:38.03 | lu-bao | gpm: okay :) |
| 19:38.10 | gpm | hehe |
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| 19:38.12 | mes | im going to try using nmap , but i think ther must be other way to detect the ip of the network card |
| 19:38.14 | gpm | i like black background with white text too though |
| 19:38.15 | martianc1de | xand: mind what? |
| 19:38.19 | xarquid | for ping broadcast you could also just try sudo ping -b 255.255.255.255 |
| 19:38.21 | stew | mes: if you ping either the network address of the broadcast address, many machines should respond, and give you some possible ip addresses |
| 19:38.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | does anyone know what happened to digikam in etch? |
| 19:38.25 | olaff | anyone any idea? |
| 19:38.41 | xarquid | windows boxes probably will not respond |
| 19:38.43 | xand | martianc1de: you keep quitting and joining |
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| 19:38.45 | lu-bao | i just didn't knew any of the commands except "/connect" and "nick" and "/join" cause they are included in mIRC (windows software) too where i have experience with :) other commands i didnt knew ^^" |
| 19:38.48 | mystic_source | regulate_ i think so ... i just detect here something don`t know ifit help /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-4-amd64 i make gedit to Makefile and there is no code there |
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| 19:38.58 | gpm | CutMeOwnThroat: it's there |
| 19:39.01 | martianc1de | xand: trying to fix a little problem |
| 19:39.03 | gpm | !info digikam |
| 19:39.06 | dpkg | digikam: (digital photo management application for KDE), section graphics, is optional. Version: 2:0.9.1-3 (sid), Packaged size: 5899 kB, Installed size: 14712 kB |
| 19:39.07 | xand | martianc1de: right |
| 19:39.11 | martianc1de | xand: but I don't see the problem though ! |
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| 19:39.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | so why does apt-get distupgrade say it wants to remove it? |
| 19:39.16 | abrotman | learn how to use the bot |
| 19:39.21 | abrotman | !info digikam etch |
| 19:39.24 | dpkg | digikam: (digital photo management application for KDE), section graphics, is optional. Version: 2:0.8.2-4 (etch), Packaged size: 4215 kB, Installed size: 10040 kB |
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| 19:39.37 | awk | hi please can someboidy tell me what the string is to import these keys |
| 19:39.38 | awk | W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A70DAF536070D3A1 |
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| 19:39.43 | xingu | mes: do you know what its ethernet address is? |
| 19:39.45 | stew | awk: /topic |
| 19:39.55 | xingu | mes: sometimes it's handily on a barcode sticker on the card itself. |
| 19:40.06 | regulate_ | mystic_source: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=14139&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30 |
| 19:40.14 | martianc1de | xand: would that be why I'm baned from #bash !! lol |
| 19:40.17 | martianc1de | brb |
| 19:40.25 | olaff | hello all, dumb noob question but how do i stop the user being shown in the command line, and also how do i stop it beeping when i enter a command? |
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| 19:40.26 | ghata1 | I am trying to customize aterm, i have set all the settings in .Xdefaults, and started aterm, it still starts with default settings |
| 19:40.29 | ghata1 | help please |
| 19:40.33 | stew | abrotman: we found that a local pub is a sox pub and has every game on multiple screens. we're going tonight to watch some knuckleballs |
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| 19:40.37 | gpm | !topic |
| 19:40.40 | abrotman | stew: the lighthouse! |
| 19:40.41 | mes | mm |
| 19:40.42 | warnk | i am getting a journal commit error regularly on my laptop, tried two seperate hard drives, is this signs of maybe motherboard going? kernel error? |
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| 19:40.46 | stew | abrotman: ahh, i guess you heard |
| 19:40.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, that doesnt help - apt-get distupgrade wants to remove it - but I want to keep it |
| 19:40.59 | xand | martianc1de: no idea |
| 19:41.00 | mes | and try to detect the arp of the network card? |
| 19:41.03 | abrotman | stew: i showed mrs a site with a large list of pubs in your area that show the game |
| 19:41.08 | stew | ahh |
| 19:41.13 | mystic_source | regulate_ no i don`t have it :) |
| 19:41.25 | abrotman | stew: but that place looks nice |
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| 19:41.49 | dazjorz | mes: oh, do you want the network IP or the internet IP ? (If that's different, that is) |
| 19:41.54 | stew | abrotman: it had a bit of a rough start, but its good now |
| 19:42.03 | abrotman | stew: hehe |
| 19:42.12 | ofir | I have this pci card with parallel port, but the installation instruction are for FC, and I don't see stuff there |
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| 19:42.22 | abrotman | stew: ask mrs stew for the list if she retained it |
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| 19:42.36 | stew | i could probably just scrub her irc logs :) |
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| 19:42.46 | abrotman | hehe |
| 19:42.46 | xand | ofir: did you try plugging it in and see if it works? |
| 19:42.46 | RichiH | abrotman: his weiner? |
| 19:42.48 | xingu | mes: more precisely, if you look at the arp cache of whatever its default gateway is likely to be, you'll probably find its ip address there. |
| 19:42.48 | mystic_source | regulate_ i'm gona try to folllow this to thanks |
| 19:43.05 | ofir | xand: yes |
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| 19:43.13 | abrotman | RichiH: stop it now! |
| 19:43.18 | RichiH | ;) |
| 19:43.23 | abrotman | stew: http://www.redsoxconnection.com/fans/hangouts.html |
| 19:43.28 | ofir | xand I think it doesn't, I tried to install a printer and print |
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| 19:43.34 | abrotman | stew: dunno how current it is though |
| 19:43.37 | ofir | xand: but it didn't print |
| 19:43.46 | asg | abrotman: isn't that the Sam Adams Brewery? |
| 19:43.53 | mes | or conecting the cable to an other computer ? |
| 19:44.04 | abrotman | asg: which one ? |
| 19:44.13 | mes | i m going to try conectinh one cable to computer 2 computer |
| 19:44.20 | mes | and them do a ping to broadcast |
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| 19:44.22 | asg | abrotman: just being a prick, I didn't look at the link :p |
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| 19:44.29 | x_link | Baah |
| 19:44.32 | abrotman | oohj |
| 19:44.34 | xingu | mes: a simple traffic sniff should do it at that point |
| 19:44.36 | mes | the posivl must be more probably |
| 19:44.44 | x_link | I can't change from Testing or Etch to Sid and then change back to Etch or Testing, right? |
| 19:44.45 | mes | a simple ? |
| 19:44.59 | mes | well there is one detail |
| 19:44.59 | x_link | I'm talking with a guy and he says you can. |
| 19:44.59 | xingu | mes: odds are it'll emit an arp who-has tell ... within a few minutes. |
| 19:44.59 | xand | ofir: are you using CUPS? |
| 19:44.59 | mes | i dont know what is the ip adrr |
| 19:45.01 | gpm | o/o guys |
| 19:45.10 | ofir | xand: someone said that I need module parport_serial... but I don't see such module. I am not using cups |
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| 19:45.11 | mes | because i receibe that computer from a donation |
| 19:45.14 | xingu | mes: irrelevant; tcpdump, look at what it's emitting. |
| 19:45.20 | asg | x_link: it can be done, if you know what you are doing, but often fails depending on the nature of testing/sid at any given time. It isn't supported though. |
| 19:45.29 | mes | and is configured with an ip that i dont know |
| 19:45.30 | xand | mes: do you know the MAC address? |
| 19:45.36 | mes | nope |
| 19:45.46 | x_link | asg: Alright. |
| 19:45.47 | mutantpi1eapple | is there a way of getting dpkg to stop trying to remove packages which it has failed to remove before? |
| 19:45.48 | stew | abrotman: well the lighthouse has only been there for 2-3 years, so it can't be THAT old |
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| 19:45.51 | x_link | I thought that was not possible. |
| 19:45.51 | asg | x_link: if you attempt it, I'd suggest having a staticly compiled busybox somewhere |
| 19:45.53 | xand | have you looked to see if it's printed on the network card, mes? |
| 19:45.55 | mes | is a SUM server |
| 19:46.11 | abrotman | stew: so maybe you can find a few places nearby that are worth going to |
| 19:46.19 | mutantpi1eapple | like --forget-everything-i-told-you |
| 19:46.24 | xingu | mes: if you plug it in on a crossover cable and run tcpdump, you'll likely as not see it emit traffic in fairly short order. |
| 19:46.25 | x_link | asg: I don't want to do it, a guy keeps telling me that he did it. |
| 19:46.30 | x_link | asg: And I didn't trust him. |
| 19:46.47 | mes | mmm?? |
| 19:46.48 | asg | x_link: I wouldn't trust him if he says it's easy |
| 19:46.51 | mes | tcpdump? |
| 19:47.04 | mystic_source | regulate_ i got diferente error now looks the missing of linux-source resolves me the last mistake :) |
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| 19:47.07 | ghata1 | my mouse acceleration is very high, can i tune it ? I am running core x and flux only also the center button scroll does not work. How do i fix it ? |
| 19:47.20 | mystic_source | lets me see what i can do :x |
| 19:47.23 | mystic_source | o0 0o |
| 19:47.30 | stew | abrotman: well there is only one in brooklyn |
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| 19:47.36 | x_link | asg: He didn't. =) |
| 19:47.46 | asg | x_link: also, the times I did do it took longer than if I'd backed up my volatile data and re-installed from scratch. |
| 19:47.51 | mes | mm |
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| 19:47.58 | abrotman | stew: i didn't know where the others were in relation .. such as maybe a 15min walk etc |
| 19:48.10 | x_link | asg: ok |
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| 19:48.25 | mes | you mean , crossover (unix computer network card ---------cable--------- SUM server network card ) |
| 19:48.35 | xingu | yes. |
| 19:48.47 | mes | doing that i can detect the real ip of the sum server ? |
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| 19:48.51 | wietz0r | Is there any real reason I should use a 2.4 kernel instead of 2.6 on an old pc ? (Pentium 4 old) |
| 19:48.55 | xingu | it's in caps, must be important |
| 19:48.57 | mes | typing tcpdump |
| 19:49.00 | xand | wietz0r: no, and that's not very old. |
| 19:49.08 | wietz0r | xand: Ok, thanks :) |
| 19:49.13 | xingu | mes: if you need a gui, use wireshark. |
| 19:49.22 | liquid_raven | Hello, I'm preparing to try to get my USB WLAN dongle running under debian, it's a D-link DWL-G122 rev. C1. According to a couple of sources it's either using some sort of ralink chipset |
| 19:49.33 | mes | wireshark |
| 19:49.41 | stew | abrotman: anything in manhattan means we have to spend an hour on trains and $8 for a round trip |
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| 19:50.00 | liquid_raven | Now, my question is: is there anywhere I can read either about general hardware configuration or specifically about wireless network adapters? |
| 19:50.11 | regulate_ | mystic_source: did you get module to compile? |
| 19:50.38 | abrotman | stew: might be worth it! |
| 19:51.12 | irule | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free what else do I need to have kernel sourfces available? |
| 19:51.16 | mes | brb im going to try now |
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| 19:51.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free |
| 19:53.20 | mystic_source | regulate_ yes i download and try it again whith -> m-a a-i fglrx "butgives diferent mistake now" |
| 19:53.35 | mystic_source | whith make.sh whith m-a a-i fglrx gives the same mistake |
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| 19:54.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | irule: and you might use 'stable' instead of etch - the name of stable will change again in 3 years :) |
| 19:54.20 | Feto | cool I just installed debian |
| 19:54.39 | lu-bao | Feto its awesome isnt it? :D |
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| 19:55.07 | Feto | well it's ok |
| 19:55.07 | DawnLight | i've just installed splashy and it works nicely. it draws the picture and the progress bar, but at some point in the boot the picture gets all black and there's only a progress bar until x starts. i suspect this has to do with the launching of the console, since i know the timing of that approximately. any ideas? |
| 19:55.13 | Feto | :P |
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| 19:55.21 | lu-bao | i am so happy that my connexant chip Hauppauge DVB-T Nova-T PCI works now on the fly without kernel builds or modules needed cause theyre included :d |
| 19:55.24 | Feto | gotta get vmware working now for it to be of any use |
| 19:55.25 | Feto | :P |
| 19:55.30 | lu-bao | Feto: haaa haaa haaa :p |
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| 19:56.11 | Feto | now I have a problem |
| 19:56.18 | Feto | it won't let me add a user with capital letters |
| 19:56.21 | regulate_ | mystic_source: you may need to install dh-make |
| 19:56.22 | Feto | how can i go about that? |
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| 19:56.51 | lu-bao | Feto what is a capital letter? :) |
| 19:56.51 | Feto | oh i think i know |
| 19:56.52 | iturk | hi there friends i just install debian etch in a recent laptop and i am using wmaker and it's freezing without generating any error and then i have to reboot it manully. what it could be the problem ?? |
| 19:57.06 | Feto | lu-bao: oposite to lower-case letter :) |
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| 19:57.26 | lu-bao | Feto show me :/ *isnt native english* sorry dont know what a lower-case is XD |
| 19:57.29 | irule | what is the kernel compiling mantra? |
| 19:57.29 | kamiro87 | Hello, I'm having some trouble getting X started.the error i get is 'cou8ld not poen default font 'fixed' ' |
| 19:57.32 | irule | please |
| 19:57.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | iturk: try changing to the console with ctrl-alt-F1 when it happens |
| 19:57.40 | stew | kamiro87: aptitude install xorg ; |
| 19:57.44 | kamiro87 | thanx |
| 19:57.45 | mystic_source | regulate_ i'm here se something strange ... that i think that can be something lets me install this to one minute please |
| 19:57.52 | Feto | lu-bao: lower case 'a', capital 'A' |
| 19:57.57 | iturk | CutMeOwnThroat: the keyboard stops working |
| 19:58.01 | stew | kamiro87: (assuming you are on stable or testing) |
| 19:58.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | iturk: also try accessing it from the net... |
| 19:58.05 | lu-bao | Feto aaah i see bit keys :) |
| 19:58.07 | tkr_ | any ideas? |
| 19:58.08 | tkr_ | (EE) GARTInit: Unable to open /dev/agpgart (No such device) |
| 19:58.09 | tkr_ | (WW) intel(0): /dev/agpgart is either not available, or no memory is available |
| 19:58.09 | tkr_ | for allocation. Using pre-allocated memory only. |
| 19:58.09 | Feto | aparently it worked |
| 19:58.09 | *** kick/#debian [tkr_!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 19:58.11 | Feto | brb |
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| 19:58.31 | tkr_ | root@tkr:/dev# ls -l /dev/agpgart |
| 19:58.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | iturk: that will give you a clue if the whole machine hangs or only X |
| 19:58.31 | stew | !tell tkr_ about paste |
| 19:58.36 | tkr_ | crw-r--r-- 1 root root 10, 175 2007-05-10 22:56 /dev/agpgart |
| 19:58.38 | lu-bao | Feto: case and capital omfg how hard to remember X.x why not small and big :/ |
| 19:58.46 | regulate_ | tkr_: lsmod| grep agp |
| 19:58.49 | tkr_ | happened after I upgrade to lenny |
| 19:58.52 | x_link | Is it possible for me to download KDE 3.5.6 from Sid even if I use Debian Testing? |
| 19:59.02 | tkr_ | root@tkr:/dev# lsmod|grep agp |
| 19:59.02 | tkr_ | agpgart 29896 1 drm |
| 19:59.03 | stew | tkr_: stop pasting in here |
| 19:59.16 | kamiro87 | Does anyone know how to install lspci. Ether i dont have it or bash cant find it. |
| 19:59.18 | tkr_ | stew, sorry |
| 19:59.20 | iturk | CutMeOwnThroat: ok so when i will be with some friends i will ask them to ssh to it |
| 19:59.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | tkr_: dmesg | grep -i agp |
| 19:59.21 | Feto | yay it worked! |
| 19:59.22 | Feto | :) |
| 19:59.25 | xand | kamiro87: as root? |
| 19:59.25 | stew | kamiro87: /msg dpkg search |
| 19:59.33 | Feto | now to theelte the old account |
| 19:59.35 | kamiro87 | yes, as root |
| 19:59.36 | Feto | delete |
| 19:59.36 | stew | its in /usr/bin |
| 19:59.36 | n3kl_ | Is there a good way to format a group of photos to the same size, format, watermark, those sorts of things? |
| 19:59.39 | tkr_ | CutMeOwnThroat, its also loaded there |
| 19:59.42 | lu-bao | Feto: congratulation *g* |
| 19:59.53 | iturk | CutMeOwnThroat: what else can i do ? what is can freeze a computer like this ?! |
| 19:59.55 | lu-bao | i only use "case?" keys :) |
| 20:00.01 | regulate_ | tkr_: modprobe -v intel_agp |
| 20:00.05 | xand | kamiro87: well it's in the pciutils package |
| 20:00.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | tkr_: without errors? strange... try cat >/dev/agpgart |
| 20:00.06 | mystic_source | regulate_ i install dh-make and nathing ... |
| 20:00.11 | tkr_ | regulate_, doesnt work |
| 20:00.13 | iturk | CutMeOwnThroat: usually it's unpredictable |
| 20:00.17 | Feto | how do i delete a user? |
| 20:00.18 | tkr_ | regulate_, or nonexistent, I mean |
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| 20:00.31 | regulate_ | tkr_: what card do you have/ |
| 20:00.35 | abrotman | tkr_: /j #flood |
| 20:00.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | iturk: dunno mostly it is just the graphical interface that freezes while the kernel runs on |
| 20:00.40 | lu-bao | Feto inside account management in gnome :) |
| 20:00.46 | tkr_ | regulate_, its integrated on the motherboard on my work desktop |
| 20:00.49 | tkr_ | regulate_, i915 |
| 20:00.51 | Feto | lu-bao: how about a command in terminal? |
| 20:00.51 | Feto | :P |
| 20:00.55 | mystic_source | regulate_ check this ... make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-4-amd64' --> then --> make[1]: Makefile: No such file or directory |
| 20:01.07 | lu-bao | Feto: eew *fg* no dont count that i make fun xD |
| 20:01.09 | kamiro87 | sorry, i forgot to jot down that apt command (i'm using IRC in CLI and cant scroll up. XD) |
| 20:01.16 | iturk | CutMeOwnThroat: yes i also think that X it's causing all the freezing |
| 20:01.23 | stew | kamiro87: aptitude install xorg |
| 20:01.27 | h3sp4wn | kamiro87: page up doesn't work ? |
| 20:01.27 | Feto | huh? |
| 20:01.28 | kamiro87 | i got that one |
| 20:01.32 | mystic_source | regulate_ the true is that when i make -> gedit /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-4-amd64/Makefile --> the file is there just don`t have nathing write there |
| 20:01.35 | kamiro87 | page up? lemme try that |
| 20:01.37 | abrotman | tkr_: okay .. |
| 20:01.46 | kamiro87 | nope |
| 20:01.47 | mystic_source | there are nathing there |
| 20:01.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | iturk: what X server module do you use? you could try to switch to 'vesa' for now |
| 20:01.47 | mystic_source | :x |
| 20:01.50 | lu-bao | Feto just use gnome menu there and delete it through it :P |
| 20:01.56 | lu-bao | dont use the hard way when you have a easy *g* |
| 20:02.10 | Feto | lu-bao: terminal is the easy way |
| 20:02.15 | Feto | i don't find the menu |
| 20:02.22 | lu-bao | you can write "deluser username" :) |
| 20:02.27 | abrotman | tkr_: you might want to mention the xinerama bit |
| 20:02.27 | Feto | use windows if you want menus |
| 20:02.27 | lu-bao | adduser and deluser works i think ^^ |
| 20:02.28 | regulate_ | mystic_source: reinstall the linux-headers package |
| 20:02.44 | mystic_source | regulate_ ok lets me try |
| 20:02.44 | Feto | yup deluser |
| 20:02.45 | Feto | :) |
| 20:02.46 | lu-bao | Feto linux doesnt say that you dont have to have menus.... |
| 20:02.48 | lu-bao | -.- |
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| 20:02.59 | Feto | i say :) |
| 20:03.01 | krifur | hello, is it normal that my network interface got an ipv6 adress and a regular ipv4 one ? |
| 20:03.01 | krifur | inet adr:192.168.0.57 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Masque:255.255.255.0 |
| 20:03.02 | mystic_source | regulate_ i'm giving you much work lol i'm getting one bored user lol sorry :x |
| 20:03.03 | krifur | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:03.07 | krifur | i never configure that o_0... |
| 20:03.10 | lu-bao | xD i do like you :p |
| 20:03.10 | tkr_ | abrotman, xinerama mentioned ;) |
| 20:03.14 | abrotman | tkr_: ah ok |
| 20:03.17 | Feto | brb |
| 20:03.23 | abrotman | tkr_: don't use the ones from intel.com .. use the ones in debian |
| 20:03.41 | stew | kamiro87: its normal |
| 20:03.58 | kamiro87 | yay, i have a GUI. thanx guys! |
| 20:04.01 | tkr_ | abrotman, xserver-xorg-video-intel - X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display driver ? |
| 20:04.06 | lu-bao | kamiro87: grats :) |
| 20:04.08 | abrotman | yep |
| 20:04.33 | irule | I can only see kernel-source-2.4.18 in dselect, I want one with 2.6.x, what should I add to the sources? thanks |
| 20:04.41 | Feto | ok back :) |
| 20:04.45 | lu-bao | Feto: wb xD |
| 20:04.50 | Feto | thanks :P |
| 20:04.52 | Feto | now i need vmware |
| 20:04.58 | tkr_ | irule, which distro? |
| 20:05.05 | irule | etch |
| 20:05.06 | lu-bao | Feto: i do like your humor *g* |
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| 20:05.23 | Feto | thanks :) |
| 20:05.30 | Feto | i actually had to log out then log back in |
| 20:05.37 | irule | tkr_ this is all I have atm deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free |
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| 20:06.02 | abrotman | irule: you need the security line |
| 20:06.07 | lu-bao | Feto: here :) http://www.vmware.com/ |
| 20:06.09 | abrotman | see security.debian.org for an example |
| 20:07.11 | irule | abrotman this is there too, but I need kernel 2.6 sources to compile with SCSI modules deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 20:07.59 | abrotman | irule: apt-cache search linux-source |
| 20:08.02 | stew | irule: linux-source packages are binary packages not source pacakges. so you don't need a deb-src line, just a deb line |
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| 20:08.54 | Feto | shite |
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| 20:09.07 | mystic_source | regulate_ i complectçy unistall and remove and install it again .. and nathing lol :x o0 0o |
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| 20:09.21 | Feto | i just realized something |
| 20:09.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | !shit |
| 20:09.23 | dpkg | rumour has it, shit is fecal matter.. scratch your ass, sniff your finger. Smell that? Shit. |
| 20:09.31 | mutantpi1eapple | is there any way of forcing dpkg to install libc6 when the files it is replacing are not owned by dpkg? |
| 20:09.35 | lu-bao | CutMeOwnThroat: rofl |
| 20:09.39 | mutantpi1eapple | currently it tells me it would be dangerous |
| 20:09.42 | Feto | i installed i686 version |
| 20:09.44 | tkr_ | stew, "linux-source package are binary packages"? |
| 20:09.44 | mutantpi1eapple | dangerous or not, i need it done |
| 20:09.57 | Feto | now do you recommend me to install amd64 version if i got amd64? |
| 20:10.04 | lu-bao | Feto: nooooo :D |
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| 20:10.13 | lu-bao | Feto 64bit = no codecs :) |
| 20:10.15 | stew | tkr_: yes. the linux-source-$version pacakges are binary pacakges not source packages |
| 20:10.19 | mystic_source | regulate_ but i got now something in the Makefile ... now is something about the -> /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-4-amd64/scripts/ |
| 20:10.24 | tkr_ | atperez, ahaa. new info to me |
| 20:10.31 | Feto | no codecs? |
| 20:10.35 | Feto | for video and stuff? |
| 20:10.38 | lu-bao | Feto: with 64bit you dont have some functions of java or some codecs like these w32 ones |
| 20:10.41 | irule | thanks abrotman |
| 20:10.44 | tkr_ | s/atpeterz/stew/ |
| 20:10.45 | Feto | oh |
| 20:10.48 | irule | that was all I needed |
| 20:10.53 | iturk | hey guys suddenly my fonts get too big in my X environment any idea to lower them ? |
| 20:10.54 | lu-bao | Feto: and maybe issues with graphic drivers |
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| 20:11.02 | Feto | so for compatibility issues you recommend me to stick to 686? |
| 20:11.05 | lu-bao | depending on your card ofcourse :) |
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| 20:11.14 | stew | mutantpi1eapple: it does sound rather dangerous. can you show us the exact warning you are looking at, and the output of ' apt-cache policy libc6 ' use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 20:11.17 | x_link | Is it possible for me (running Testing) to download KDE 3.5.6 from Sid? |
| 20:11.22 | irule | what is the kernel compiling mantra? |
| 20:11.31 | lu-bao | Feto: right i still use 32bit at my amd64 machine its okay and fine today its used at most so its standard and best (today) |
| 20:11.32 | stew | irule: /msg dpkg kp mantra |
| 20:11.40 | Feto | ok |
| 20:11.46 | atperez | tkr_: info, what info? |
| 20:12.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | ahaha |
| 20:12.13 | Feto | ok now to install vmware :) |
| 20:12.14 | x_link | Anybody? |
| 20:12.35 | iturk | hey guys any way to lower my X fonts ? |
| 20:12.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | so what happened to my sources.list? |
| 20:12.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | !sources.list |
| 20:12.35 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sources.list is something like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free" where cc is your country code. see <mirrors>, /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list. also see <etch security> |
| 20:12.38 | x_link | stew: Is it possibl for me to download KDE 3.5.6 from Sid, I use Testing. |
| 20:12.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | :( |
| 20:12.55 | lu-bao | omfg i wonder why my playback (dvb-t at kaffeine) is lagging like hell and my mousecursor too lol now i found out that i did have "vesa" instead of "radeon" in xorg.conf :> eeww |
| 20:13.27 | irule | thanks stew |
| 20:13.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | ARGH, nothing - but what happened to vim? it seems to show black charaters on a black background now |
| 20:14.00 | lu-bao | brb |
| 20:14.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | any ideas? |
| 20:14.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 20:14.19 | stew | x_link: it depends on libc6 from sid which hasn't made it to lenny yet |
| 20:14.36 | stew | x_link: you'd have to backport it |
| 20:14.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | vi /etc/vim/vimrc (-> again black on black... old habits die hard :( ) |
| 20:14.45 | x_link | stew: Okej, is it hard to backport? |
| 20:15.05 | stew | x_link: probably not, but it would probably be tedious as there are so many pacakges involved |
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| 20:15.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | aha... what crap - vi now suddenly points to elvisnox instead to vim |
| 20:15.52 | lu-bao | nice now video playback is nice xD *loves 'radeon' open driver for debian* |
| 20:15.54 | mystic_source | AHhhhhhhhhhhHHhHhhh o0 0o don`t work don`t work don`t work don`t work :x |
| 20:16.01 | x_link | stew: Okej. |
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| 20:16.06 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: update-alternatives --auto vim |
| 20:16.12 | lu-bao | mystic_source: uhm...what doesn't work? Oo |
| 20:16.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | !don't work |
| 20:16.13 | x_link | stew: I would want to change. But I don't know how to do everything. |
| 20:16.13 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 20:16.22 | stew | x_link: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 20:16.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew: guess I just get rid of elvis :) but thx, I'll remember that one |
| 20:16.43 | mystic_source | lu-bao my direct rendering and my ati modules when compile have erros errors and errors ... |
| 20:16.55 | lu-bao | mystic_source: do you use 32bit or 64bit debian4.0 ? |
| 20:17.29 | DawnLight | i've decided to learn how to build kernel the debian way after all. now. |
| 20:17.39 | mystic_source | lu-bao i have one amd 64 x2 using 32 bits operating system |
| 20:17.49 | mystic_source | debian etch since was testing |
| 20:17.58 | h3sp4wn | Has anyone noticed issues with dash in sid (specifically that when its dpkg-reconfigured that it doesn't actually make /bin/sh -> dash (although it does the divert sh.distrib -> bash) would it be a bug with dash or dpkg or debhelper ? |
| 20:18.08 | lu-bao | mystic_source: ah i see mh etch is stable now so you updated to that? or new installed it ? |
| 20:20.40 | mystic_source | lu-bao no install it frow new make one format here to organize and never can have the direct rendering enabled here :X |
| 20:20.40 | mystic_source | google earth secondlife the game ... neither compiz :x |
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| 20:20.41 | stew | h3sp4wn: in dash the dash maintainer scripts, i'd think (/var/lib/dpkg/info/dash.{postinst,config}) |
| 20:20.41 | gejr | in gconf-editor i need to use <Control><Alt>Next to reach <Control><Alt>Page Down...does anyone know the equivalent for Page Up? |
| 20:20.41 | lu-bao | mystic_source: mmmh wait |
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| 20:21.11 | mystic_source | ok thanks :) |
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| 20:21.20 | h3sp4wn | stew: I had a look in there but didn't know how to determine whether it was the dash script or /usr/share/debconf/confmodule (which is included) |
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| 20:22.18 | gejr | I've tried Prev, Previous and last |
| 20:22.20 | gejr | Last |
| 20:22.30 | gejr | can't think of other things to put in there...:) |
| 20:22.44 | rahul | Prior |
| 20:23.11 | gejr | ooh |
| 20:23.12 | ofir | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:23.22 | gejr | thank you..I've searched everywhere for that word :D |
| 20:23.23 | ofir | insmod: can't read 'parport_pc': No such file or directory |
| 20:23.39 | stew | ofir: use modprobe, not insmod |
| 20:23.41 | gejr | rahul: do you know a way to find out keys like this if i need it later? |
| 20:23.48 | gejr | and thanks a lot rahul :) |
| 20:24.28 | rahul | they're just the standard X names for the keys... hrm |
| 20:24.31 | rahul | xev maybe |
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| 20:25.18 | DawnLight | can i reattach "root 4292 2.4 8.3 66964 21476 ? Sl 23:10 0:10 aptitude -S /tmp/aptitudeGHeudM/pkgstatesWwxUP2 -u" to a konsole? |
| 20:25.22 | ofir | stew: OK. Do I leave the parameters the same? |
| 20:25.35 | lu-bao | mystic_source: lol i found an easy howto what worked but i dont have it in english xD |
| 20:25.39 | ofir | stew: if the module is already loaded? |
| 20:26.15 | mystic_source | lu-bao what the language? |
| 20:26.30 | lu-bao | mystic_source: german |
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| 20:26.39 | DawnLight | ofir: how do you like the weather? |
| 20:26.43 | stew | ofir: yes, leave the options the same. if it is already loaded, run "modprobe -r modulename" first to unlaod it |
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| 20:26.53 | gejr | you're right rahul ...xev is perfect :) |
| 20:26.56 | gejr | thank you a million |
| 20:27.03 | mystic_source | lu-bao is this one website? |
| 20:27.03 | cwheeler | weather is nice here DawnLight |
| 20:27.13 | lu-bao | mystic_source: yep |
| 20:27.17 | ofir | DawnLight: It is hot |
| 20:27.32 | DawnLight | especially for us cave-dwellers, huh |
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| 20:27.37 | mystic_source | lu-bao great i translate to english from altavista :) |
| 20:27.43 | mystic_source | what the link? |
| 20:27.53 | lu-bao | mystic_source: youre german? Oo |
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| 20:28.11 | mes | hi again |
| 20:28.14 | mystic_source | lu-bao no ... but i can tanslate him ... |
| 20:28.20 | lu-bao | cool :> |
| 20:28.25 | mystic_source | portugal here :) |
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| 20:28.53 | mystic_source | tuga man tuga power lol :) |
| 20:28.53 | mes | im back i have now connected my computer to a switch and the SUN server to the same swicth , now how can i detect the ip address ? |
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| 20:29.04 | DawnLight | if i closed a terminal by mistake when a process was open in it, how do i attach that process to another terminal? |
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| 20:29.15 | wietz0r | DawnLight: screen -dr |
| 20:29.21 | mystic_source | lu-bao what the link? |
| 20:29.22 | lu-bao | mystic_source: this one worked for me look at kernel 2.6.8 (Debian) start with this and nothing other and um at first time it wont run directly it bugs a bit but you have to write "fglrx" into xorg.conf you know where :) and then reboot http://wiki.unixboard.de/index.php/ATI-Howto |
| 20:29.36 | mes | i have installed the wireshark but he does detect anithing |
| 20:29.53 | lu-bao | mystic_source: first time i had no DirectRendering but after 2nd try to start X it worked well :) |
| 20:30.06 | mystic_source | lu-bao lot's of thanks i will try it :) |
| 20:30.12 | mes | the network card of the sun server is a big card with 5 connectors |
| 20:30.13 | lu-bao | np :D |
| 20:30.14 | DawnLight | are you saying to use screen to attach it? screen -dr PID? |
| 20:30.21 | DawnLight | wietz0r? |
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| 20:30.27 | mes | any ideas ? |
| 20:30.31 | mes | sos please |
| 20:30.34 | Justin | mes: connect to the console of the server |
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| 20:30.51 | mes | console of the server ? how? |
| 20:30.53 | ofir | stew; it say fatal: module parport_pc is in use |
| 20:30.53 | stew | mes: yes, a switch is not conducive to sniffing. you'd have to use a hub or directly connect to the machine in quesiton and wait for it to send an arp request or something |
| 20:31.09 | stew | ofir: you'll have to stop whatever is using the module then |
| 20:31.11 | ofir | stew when I try modproble -r |
| 20:31.17 | lu-bao | umm i have a question why is suse9.0 *now is 10.2 actually out* at kernel 2.6.15.4 but the new Debian4.0 only at 2.6.8 ? any reasons? ^^ |
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| 20:31.21 | Justin | mes: http://www.google.com/search?q=sun+console |
| 20:31.34 | ofir | stew: I don't know what it is :( |
| 20:31.35 | stew | lu-bao: debian 4.0 comes with 2.6.18-4 not 2.6.8 |
| 20:31.41 | stew | ofir: i don't either |
| 20:31.41 | mes | let me check |
| 20:31.59 | ofir | stew: I'll reboot then |
| 20:32.04 | lu-bao | stew: ah in this howto i read it was 2.6.8 okay thx :) |
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| 20:32.21 | mes | well i dont know what ip adress is how im going to connect to the sun server? |
| 20:32.25 | stew | lu-bao: debian sarge aka 3.1 which released in 2005 came with 2.6.8 |
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| 20:32.34 | Justin | mes: http://www.google.com/search?q=sun+console |
| 20:32.39 | lu-bao | stew: *nods* |
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| 20:33.11 | stew | mes: connect a crossover cable directly between the machine in question and the machine running wireshark. adn wait for the machine in question to send an arp request |
| 20:33.13 | mes | okok let me read |
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| 20:33.36 | lu-bao | mh better dont use project names like etch or sarge i prefer version numbers like 3.0 3.1 4.0 and so on :) |
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| 20:33.43 | mystic_source | lu-bao looks have some stuff there i don`t try yet :X |
| 20:34.12 | stew | lu-bao: ok, how should one refer to lenny aka testing or sid aka unstable which don't have version numbers? |
| 20:34.21 | silensius | hy does anyone help me for a raid 1 etch install or have a how-to ? |
| 20:34.30 | lu-bao | mystic_source: yep :D and this tutor worked but first load of modules will *maybe* make problems but they worked after some trys to restart X :) |
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| 20:35.10 | mystic_source | lu-bao ok thanks :) |
| 20:35.19 | mystic_source | lets me try o0 0o :x |
| 20:35.24 | lu-bao | stew: um why not give them version numbers like for lenny (testing) 5.0b (b for beta) and sid (unstable) 6.0a (a like alpha) ? :) |
| 20:35.28 | raz0 | stew, Like you just did? |
| 20:35.55 | lu-bao | so that one alpha one beta and one final (stable) is there :) |
| 20:36.02 | Feto | gcc is only the gcc compiler, not the whole GCC collection... |
| 20:36.02 | stew | lu-bao: becuase the version number for lenny hasn't been decided yet. since unstable is never going to be released, it doesn't make sense to give it ia version number |
| 20:36.08 | Feto | is there a way to install all of them at once? |
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| 20:36.29 | gniretar_work | dang, i cant find ANY good docu on using debconf with the bash extensions |
| 20:36.29 | lu-bao | stew: i thought unstable turns stable in a few months after testings? |
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| 20:36.38 | stew | lu-bao: no, unstable is always unstable |
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| 20:36.41 | Justin | Feto: most likely you just want gcc and g++ |
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| 20:37.05 | mes | mm |
| 20:37.09 | stew | lu-bao: individual packages move from usntable to testing daily, and then when its time to make a release, testing becomes stable and a new testing is created, leaving unstable as unstable |
| 20:37.09 | Feto | Justin: most likely, but I may have to use more in the future |
| 20:37.10 | raz0 | lu-bao, The packages from unstable go into testing after a few weeks. That's not the same though. Unstable will always be unstable. |
| 20:37.19 | lu-bao | stew: um but how will debian (stable) get new functions when no unstable stuff will get fixed and included to give new functions at next version ? :/ |
| 20:37.26 | Justin | Feto: you planning on picking up fortran anytime soon? |
| 20:37.30 | stew | raz0: not always a few weeks, sometimes as short as 3 days |
| 20:37.41 | mes | you mean i can connect to the sum server from my computer via parallel port just like connecting to Sisco ROUTER ? |
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| 20:37.48 | mes | sory sun server |
| 20:37.50 | Feto | Justin: I may run into other people's programs that I may have to compile |
| 20:37.52 | raz0 | Yeah ok, it varies a bit. |
| 20:37.59 | Justin | mes: uh, SERIAL port |
| 20:38.00 | Feto | oh and how do I install the kernel sources? |
| 20:38.08 | Justin | mes: and yes, just like a Cisco router |
| 20:38.10 | mes | exactly serial port |
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| 20:38.20 | mes | are ypou sure of that ??? |
| 20:38.21 | stew | lu-bao: stable doesn't get new functionality. it gets security fixes and major bugs fixed by having patches to the versions in stable uploaded directly from stable. stable will never get a new package from testing or unstable |
| 20:38.24 | lu-bao | raz0: ah i see testing turns stable but unstable sid stays sid um but then sid stuff comes to lenny and later lenny will turn 5.0 as stable next Oo so sid stuff will come in 5.0 as stable |
| 20:38.34 | mes | if i can do that them im going to be happy happy |
| 20:38.39 | mes | if i make it of course |
| 20:38.43 | en1gma | how do you dlaod the latest debian lenny dvd |
| 20:38.48 | stew | lu-bao: not necessarily 5.0. it could be 4.1 |
| 20:39.29 | lu-bao | stew: mh but that can't be true sorry but my tv card didn't work (on the fly) at 3.1r2 but now at 4.0 the driver modules are included and it works directly after fresh install |
| 20:39.49 | vanksi | anyone here using lftp? is there any way to skip empty directories when using it? |
| 20:39.57 | stew | lu-bao: what can't be true? |
| 20:40.12 | stew | en1gma: http://debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 20:40.20 | lu-bao | stew: that no new stuff comes in since new hardware will be produced so new stuff has to come in that it gets supported :) |
| 20:40.27 | vin` | lu-bao: new kernel, better hardware support.. etc. |
| 20:40.41 | en1gma | thanks |
| 20:40.45 | lu-bao | vin`: ah thats what changes? okay |
| 20:40.49 | Feto | how do I install the kernel sources? :S |
| 20:41.01 | lu-bao | Feto: look in tutorial xD |
| 20:41.06 | lu-bao | theres a command :P |
| 20:41.15 | stew | lu-bao: etch might be the first debian release to get a new kernel after release. debian has not done that in the past though |
| 20:41.23 | Feto | lu-bao: can you tell me the name of the package? |
| 20:41.27 | stew | Feto: aptitude install linux-source-$version |
| 20:41.34 | stew | Feto: apt-cache search -n linux-source |
| 20:41.35 | lu-bao | Feto: um wait o.o |
| 20:41.38 | mes | ok |
| 20:41.58 | stew | lu-bao: sarge never got a new version of the kernel after it released, neither did woody, ... |
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| 20:42.50 | Feto | linux-source-2.6.18 |
| 20:42.50 | Feto | :P |
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| 20:43.10 | lu-bao | Feto: just type "apt-cache search linux-source" then it searches the fitting one :) |
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| 20:43.49 | lu-bao | stew: mh...that is good at one side (no new configs at graphic driver modules) but at other side mh :/ newer pc´s wont get support then :/ |
| 20:44.18 | Feto | lu-bao: that's what apt-cache told me |
| 20:44.31 | lu-bao | Feto: then get it *g* |
| 20:44.46 | mes | mm |
| 20:44.47 | Feto | it's there |
| 20:44.48 | Janos | hi, there used to be a file /etc/network/options in sarge, where i could enable forwarding and other proc stuff, in etch this file is gone, is there a new way to do this, or i can just create the file ? |
| 20:44.49 | Feto | i'm uncompressing |
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| 20:44.50 | mes | i have a trouble |
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| 20:44.57 | mes | i dont have a serial port |
| 20:45.43 | lu-bao | Feto: this way with alien (build a deb package out of this rpm) is an easy way :) |
| 20:45.51 | lu-bao | my way was another i wonder that it isnt there Oo |
| 20:46.00 | h3sp4wn | Janos: You can set some /proc options from /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 20:46.01 | irule | http://pastebin.ca/481448 ....what else do I need to install so that make menuconfig will run correctly? |
| 20:46.03 | cwheeler | when will ext? have data journaling? |
| 20:46.03 | irule | thanks |
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| 20:46.16 | mes | i am reading in the url about serial port a to serial port b , is not a way to detect the network address of the sun server ? |
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| 20:46.23 | tkr_ | christof, ext3 is journaling |
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| 20:46.27 | ofir | what is the simplest way to print to lpt port? |
| 20:46.27 | Janos | h3sp4wn: yeah just found it, thanks :) |
| 20:46.34 | tkr_ | s/christof/cwheeler/ |
| 20:46.38 | tkr_ | whats wrong with me today |
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| 20:46.49 | ofir | /dev/lp0 |
| 20:46.50 | cwheeler | ext3 has metadata journaling I believe i read |
| 20:47.01 | leafw | is there any standard tool to safely remove files, that is, to ovewrite the space taken by them in the HD several times with noise? |
| 20:47.07 | cwheeler | perhaps I need to look again |
| 20:47.28 | cwheeler | leafw yes look in packages or on freshmeat |
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| 20:47.35 | tkr_ | cwheeler, yes. its not journaling enough for you? :) |
| 20:47.43 | chovy | leafw: rm ? |
| 20:47.52 | leafw | cwheeler : any hints on its name ? |
| 20:47.54 | Janos | another question, where is the right place on debian to set static routes ?, interfaces ? |
| 20:47.58 | cwheeler | well data journaling would be even better |
| 20:48.02 | mes | any other ideas ? |
| 20:48.06 | cwheeler | leafw nope I don't recall |
| 20:48.06 | mes | join #sun |
| 20:48.11 | leafw | ok |
| 20:48.13 | leafw | thanks |
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| 20:48.42 | leafw | rmrm |
| 20:48.42 | tkr_ | lws, dd is the safest I think, or just burn the hd :) |
| 20:48.42 | leafw | oops |
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| 20:49.00 | tkr_ | sigh. lws = leafw |
| 20:49.05 | irule | http://pastebin.ca/481448 ....what else do I need to install so that make menuconfig will run correctly? |
| 20:49.07 | leafw | tkr_ : I need this drive man |
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| 20:49.18 | leafw | it's just a mild safety, that's all I need |
| 20:49.27 | tkr_ | leafw, use dd then to write it from /dev/zero or /dev/random or something |
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| 20:49.50 | iturk | hey guys i am getting this message and my computer it's freezing. I am using etch! May 10 22:37:03 duro kernel: ACPI: Critical trip point |
| 20:49.50 | iturk | May 10 22:37:03 duro kernel: Critical temperature reached (90 C), shutting down. |
| 20:49.50 | iturk | May 10 22:37:05 duro kernel: Critical temperature reached (80 C), shutting down. |
| 20:50.06 | leafw | tkr_ : the entire drive? Just some files should be deleted |
| 20:50.06 | cwheeler | irule ncurses and readline i believe |
| 20:51.25 | tkr_ | leafw, I dont know if its safe enough to use dd of=myfile |
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| 20:51.26 | chops | iturk: Install some cooling? |
| 20:51.26 | leafw | some level of safeness is fine |
| 20:51.27 | tkr_ | leafw, if "they" want they can recover quite a lot |
| 20:51.30 | leafw | I know |
| 20:51.42 | leafw | I just want to make it difficult, not impossible |
| 20:51.50 | iturk | chops: it's a laptop |
| 20:51.54 | cwheeler | shooting the drive makes it 100% secure |
| 20:52.02 | chops | iturk: Is it actually getting that hot? Does it feel hot? |
| 20:52.03 | tkr_ | leafw, try of, or then some util where you write to specific inode and use stat to find it out |
| 20:52.12 | iturk | chops: it is |
| 20:52.20 | chops | iturk: And it happens more often under heavy load? |
| 20:52.34 | lu-bao | debian4.0 uses xorg7.1 ? |
| 20:52.51 | iturk | chops: yes it will happen if i load open gl plugin of xmms |
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| 20:53.53 | chops | iturk: I don't have a good answer for that that doesn't involve hardware modifications, unfortunately :-( |
| 20:54.09 | en1gma | why is it when i try and dload the iso-dvd it is only saying under 400MB when it is supposed to be 4.fGB |
| 20:54.16 | en1gma | 4.4GB |
| 20:54.17 | chops | iturk: It's possible that there's a dynamic fan speed or something that etch isn't properly updating, but it's also possible that the hardware is just prone to overheating |
| 20:54.38 | en1gma | this has happened from 3 different servers |
| 20:54.47 | vin` | iturk: is the thermal module loaded? |
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| 20:55.03 | iturk | chops: when i was in windows it was also getting hot like this |
| 20:55.25 | iturk | vin`: i will check that module it's the first time i eard about it |
| 20:56.06 | groton | which is the file who sets the dns whilst attempting a ppp connection, /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/0000usepeerdns or 0dns-up? i have both and they seems to conflict |
| 20:56.07 | Idle | can someone check which libstdc++ debian uses for me? is it 5 or 6? |
| 20:56.38 | stew | Idle: both |
| 20:56.46 | Idle | hmmm |
| 20:56.48 | iturk | vin`: thermal 13608 0 |
| 20:56.54 | Idle | then why is my fcc client borking :( |
| 20:57.08 | en1gma | why is it when i try to download the debian i386 iso dvd it is only grabbing 400MB when it says its File Size is 4.4GM on the https or FTP servers |
| 20:57.16 | Idle | I'll have to dig tomorrow, when I'm at the machine |
| 20:57.16 | ofir | i did echo "This is a test." > /dev/lp0 |
| 20:57.23 | vin` | iturk: could be dirt covering the vents, fan not working etc. |
| 20:57.45 | ofir | and : echo "^L" > /dev/lp0 |
| 20:57.49 | stew | Idle: http://pacakges.debian.org/libstc++5 http://pacakges.debian.org/libstc++6 |
| 20:57.59 | en1gma | "debian-40r0-i386-DVD-1.iso 07-Apr-2007 07:49 4.4G " = under 400MB when i dload |
| 20:58.02 | ofir | and the data light blinked but nothing was printed |
| 20:58.24 | iturk | vin`: yes but i just install etch on it and before in windows never happen |
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| 20:58.56 | ofir | what does that mean? |
| 20:59.15 | vin` | iturk: any errors in dmesg? |
| 20:59.44 | en1gma | <en1gma> "debian-40r0-i386-DVD-1.iso 07-Apr-2007 07:49 4.4G " = under 400MB when i dload |
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| 20:59.59 | iturk | vin`: i get the message from cat /var/log/kern.log | grep Critical |
| 21:00.04 | en1gma | i cant even get it to dlaod correctly so i can burn it |
| 21:00.06 | penguin | Does amd64 have a different place to file bugs then stable? |
| 21:00.17 | chops | penguin: No |
| 21:00.33 | en1gma | what is wrong why cant i dload 4.4 GIGS |
| 21:00.40 | awk | hmm, package telnetd doesn't seem to contina the daemon telnetd? |
| 21:00.48 | chops | en1gma: 4gig boundary in whatever program you're trying to use, perhaps |
| 21:01.00 | en1gma | 400MB to 4.4GB? |
| 21:01.03 | iturk | vin`: it was showing me that message milisecound in terminal mode before it reboots the machine |
| 21:01.08 | stew | awk: telnetd: usr/sbin/in.telnetd |
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| 21:01.11 | en1gma | k 1 sec |
| 21:01.21 | awk | stew: thanks |
| 21:02.04 | xand | penguin: amd64 and stable aren't mutually exclusive |
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| 21:02.17 | iturk | vin`: right now it's not doing nothing why is it so hot ? |
| 21:02.20 | vin` | iturk: yes, once the temp hits the trip point, that's what usually happens. paste your dmesg on a pastebin |
| 21:02.26 | xand | en1gma: using what program? and when does it stop? |
| 21:02.58 | vin` | iturk: also check top to see if there's heavy load on the cpu |
| 21:03.20 | valdyn | en1gma: use a different mirror for this large file |
| 21:03.43 | iturk | vin`: it's more when i load the graphical card hardware accelaration feature |
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| 21:03.52 | en1gma | 384 MB (403,449,856 bytes) and i have tried 3 different mirrors |
| 21:03.56 | en1gma | i was using firefox |
| 21:04.06 | valdyn | en1gma: all wrong mirrors |
| 21:04.20 | en1gma | where are the correct mirrors |
| 21:04.25 | valdyn | en1gma: show us which URL you are using |
| 21:04.26 | xand | what happens when it stops? does it just hang? |
| 21:04.26 | en1gma | i got these off debian.org |
| 21:04.32 | en1gma | it finishes |
| 21:04.39 | en1gma | looks like a complete iso |
| 21:04.46 | xand | url(s) please |
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| 21:05.19 | valdyn | en1gma: old apache(2) cant deal with large files, that's one issue you are seeing. You need to use a different mirror or ftp |
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| 21:05.29 | vin` | en1gma: do you really need the whole DVD? |
| 21:05.40 | en1gma | http://www.us.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ the last 5 mirrors at bottom of page |
| 21:05.49 | en1gma | i would prefer the whole dvd |
| 21:05.54 | iturk | vin`: http://pastebin.ca/481482 |
| 21:06.07 | valdyn | en1gma: the FTP or HTTP link? |
| 21:06.09 | xand | en1gma: can you provide a sample complete url? |
| 21:06.09 | en1gma | try 6th from bottom now |
| 21:06.26 | en1gma | tried with ftps unless no ftp option |
| 21:06.41 | iturk | vin`: i send you a snapshot around the critical error |
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| 21:07.30 | rgsteele | Is there any way to get the module-assistant to grab source files, not packages, and build the specified package from those sources? I've got a deb-src line for a sid repository, which has the source files for the package I want, but m-a tries to get the packages from the Etch repository. Or, am I barking up the wrong tree, and I should just go with the simple-sid-backport method? |
| 21:07.30 | vin` | iturk: that doesn't say much, paste the whole output of 'dmesg' on pastebin |
| 21:07.30 | valdyn | en1gma: try wget <url> |
| 21:07.30 | en1gma | ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/iso-dvd/debian-40r0-i386-DVD-1.iso |
| 21:07.31 | grendal_prime | latest version of rdesktop sucks balls, basically segfaults all the time. i dont want to apply the patch that is out there, i want to just install the previouse version..how would i do that in apt? |
| 21:07.43 | valdyn | en1gma: which filesystem are you downloading to btw? |
| 21:08.08 | en1gma | http://ftp.gtlib.gatech.edu/pub/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/iso-dvd/debian-40r0-i386-DVD-1.iso |
| 21:08.11 | vin` | grendal_prime: if you had it installed, it might be in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 21:08.17 | en1gma | which FS am i dlaoding? |
| 21:08.33 | en1gma | im vista right now so ntfs |
| 21:08.33 | valdyn | en1gma: you got to save that file somewhere, where are you saving it? |
| 21:08.48 | iturk | vin`: http://pastebin.ca/481488 |
| 21:09.29 | grendal_prime | i can put the old repo in there, but i dont know how to flag that pacakge and force a certain version to install is the problem |
| 21:09.29 | Nemoder | grendal_prime: there is no way to downgrade with apt other than to purge what is installed and find an older version to install manually |
| 21:09.29 | iturk | vin`: all the dmesg it's there |
| 21:09.29 | valdyn | en1gma: ok, you should probably ask a vista support channel about that issue. Though i cant verify any of these urls right now with limited bandwidth |
| 21:09.29 | xand | bah that mirror's too slow |
| 21:09.29 | lu-bao | what do i have to type to build a .deb package out of ati drivers ? ./ati-driver-installer-8.36.5-x86.x86_64.run --buildpkg <--what comes behind here to build a package for debian4.0 |
| 21:09.29 | grendal_prime | ? |
| 21:09.30 | en1gma | im dloding another image right now and im at 320MB so well see what happens when it reaches 384 |
| 21:09.30 | grendal_prime | that doesnt seem right |
| 21:09.41 | en1gma | vista is fine |
| 21:09.44 | en1gma | its the iso |
| 21:09.49 | regulate_ | lu-bao: Debiant/etch |
| 21:09.52 | regulate_ | lu-bao: Debian/etch |
| 21:10.02 | valdyn | en1gma: no its not the iso |
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| 21:10.10 | lu-bao | regulate_: nothing needed like -IA32 behind or so ? |
| 21:10.13 | en1gma | yes it is...i dload ISOs all day long |
| 21:10.21 | en1gma | got a suse iso dvd right here |
| 21:10.30 | Nemoder | grendal_prime: something like apt-get remove --purge rdesktop; dpkg -i someoldversion.deb |
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| 21:11.08 | grendal_prime | hmm werid..why do apps like synaptec allow you to do that..i could have sworn there was a force version on it.. |
| 21:11.08 | en1gma | just made it to 400MB and still dloading....think it had to do with "Falshgot" addon for firefox |
| 21:11.10 | grendal_prime | werid |
| 21:11.11 | xand | well, this download url works > 400MB 0.60M/s |
| 21:11.13 | xand | erm |
| 21:11.14 | en1gma | uninstalled that addon |
| 21:11.22 | xand | ftp://ftp.ukc.mirrorservice.org/sites/cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/iso-dvd/debian-40r0-i386-DVD-1.iso |
| 21:11.41 | grendal_prime | ok what if i remove the etch repos, add the stable repos, then install then revers the repos. |
| 21:12.18 | Nemoder | It won't matter, if newer versions of packages are installed it won't ever downgrade them. |
| 21:12.28 | aldin | hi how can i take screenshot of movie, al i have is black windows if i screenshot it? |
| 21:13.33 | Nemoder | aldin: try a different video output method or movie player |
| 21:13.34 | iturk | vin`: any idea ? |
| 21:14.27 | aldin | Nemoder: i tried vlc kaffeine mplayer same... i take screenshot all other is captured but the movie not it is blank/black |
| 21:14.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok, gonna reboot after dist upgrade to etch - anyone feel free to cross their fingers for me or whatever it is one does at these occasions :) |
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| 21:15.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | would hate to go back to the console for the next few hours |
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| 21:15.19 | vin` | iturk: ACPI: Fan [FAN0] (off) , that could be the problem. |
| 21:15.21 | lkthomas-home | guys, does procmail use any default config file when ~/.procmailrc does not exists ? |
| 21:15.22 | lu-bao | ati installer build 4 packages for debian/etch fglrx-driver fglrx-driver-dev fglrx-kernel-src fglrx-amdcccle what one do i have to install now ? |
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| 21:15.47 | aldin | lu-bao: install all, AFAIK dpkg -i *.deb |
| 21:15.51 | regulate_ | lu-bao: all |
| 21:15.58 | lu-bao | ok :) |
| 21:15.59 | Nemoder | aldin: try 'mplayer -vo help' to see the different output methods |
| 21:16.03 | lu-bao | just wanted to get sure |
| 21:16.13 | iturk | vin`: any idea to turn it on ? |
| 21:16.37 | Nemoder | aldin: I prefer sdl myself |
| 21:16.40 | lu-bao | regulate_: and after that i have to type "aticonfig --initial --input=/etc/X11/xorg.conf" at init 3 mode ? |
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| 21:18.02 | aldin | Nemoder: hey thanks tried xv dosnt work but mplayer -vo x11 works!!! |
| 21:18.15 | Nemoder | cool |
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| 21:19.32 | iturk | vin`: cat /proc/acpi/fan/FAN0/state |
| 21:19.32 | iturk | status: off |
| 21:19.38 | aldin | Nemoder: thanks, one more, what should i put in xorg.conf to have this problem solved |
| 21:19.46 | iturk | vin`: i only have one fan |
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| 21:20.07 | Nemoder | aldin: try editing /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf |
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| 21:20.09 | foo | Hm, this system basically just runs mysql and inetd is running. I don't think I need that. In /etc/inetd.conf, I see a line with ident. Is this for identification lookups for an FTP server or something? |
| 21:21.04 | aldin | Nemoder: i dont prefer mplayer... i like kaffeine and vlc but mlayer is good alternative (at least for me) |
| 21:21.07 | lu-bao | i cant switch to init 3 Oo |
| 21:21.08 | potolo | foo: that's controls what starts up. sort've. |
| 21:21.26 | iturk | hey anyone knows how to switch one a FAN ?? |
| 21:21.30 | foo | potolo: right, I know proftpd has an inetd version... but I don't think I need it for anything. |
| 21:21.32 | Nemoder | aldin: I'm not sure how to fix that for the other players, look through their options |
| 21:21.41 | aldin | Nemoder: ok |
| 21:21.42 | potolo | Hi. Symlink help needed; am confused. I know ln -s is the right command to symlink directories. How do I find out whether /var/www is linked to subdirectories under /home, or vice versa? |
| 21:22.34 | Nemoder | potolo: ls -ld /var/www |
| 21:22.38 | foo | potolo: time for wikipedia :) |
| 21:22.45 | potolo | Nemoder: Thanks - will try that now. |
| 21:23.34 | Nemoder | potolo: if it's a symlink it will show something like /var/www->/home/somedir |
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| 21:24.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | cohee - back to the console :( |
| 21:24.26 | potolo | Nemoder: can a directory be symlinked to multiple subdirectories at once? e.g. /var/www to /home/foo, /home/bar, /bar/qux ? |
| 21:24.39 | Nemoder | potolo: no |
| 21:24.43 | vin` | iturk: anything in the bios? what other dir/files are there in /proc/acpi/fan/? |
| 21:24.54 | potolo | Nemoder: Hmm. OK. :/ |
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| 21:25.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | X segfaults since update to etch - any random thoughts |
| 21:25.10 | Nemoder | multiple directories can be linked to one though |
| 21:25.30 | potolo | Nemoder: So I'd have to symlink /var/www to /home. (assuming subdirectories under home contains what I wanna serve. |
| 21:25.34 | potolo | Nemoder: ah good |
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| 21:26.03 | iturk | vin`: only FAN0 |
| 21:26.03 | pdbogen | Anybody have any advice on creating an MDF/MDS-type CD image from Linux? |
| 21:26.10 | pdbogen | (Without, like, using Wine to run Alcohol 120%) |
| 21:26.30 | Nemoder | pdbogen: why not just create a standard iso? |
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| 21:27.31 | iturk | vin`: hey it's really burning now and i am just talking in xchat and with a konsole next side and firefox in another windows |
| 21:27.31 | vin` | iturk: try 'echo 0 > /proc/acpi/fan/FAN0/state' |
| 21:27.51 | potolo | ls -ld /var/www doesn't seem to be working? :/ No symlinks are shown with that directory or if I change it to /home or /home/foo etc. Yet, subdirectories under home are definitely symlinked with /var/www since Apache happily serves pages |
| 21:27.54 | pdbogen | Nemoder : Reasons I'd rather not get into. |
| 21:27.57 | Feto | hmmm |
| 21:28.01 | Feto | i need prebuilt modules |
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| 21:28.48 | Nemoder | potolo: might need to check your apache configuration then |
| 21:28.51 | potolo | Feto: kernel modules? for what? either try manufacturer site or a repository? first debian's own and then third-party repositories such as those listed at apt-get.org |
| 21:28.59 | foo | potolo: Yeah, this system is just a mysql master. No need for identd, I don't think |
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| 21:29.39 | iturk | vin`: i have done this -> "echo -n 0 > /proc/acpi/fan/FAN0/state" but status it's still off |
| 21:29.48 | potolo | foo: you can make stuff you don't wanna startup during boot non-executable too I guess via chmod -x or whatever the syntax is. |
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| 21:30.00 | regulate_ | pdbogen: mds is alcohol specific. alcohol supports the ISO standard. burn isos |
| 21:30.00 | potolo | foo: and, I agree with yr view |
| 21:30.12 | iturk | vin`: when i do "cat /proc/acpi/fan/FAN0/state" |
| 21:30.19 | Feto | potolo: i'm trying to install vmware, and i need the kernel sources to install some kernel modules... i can't seem to be able to install/compile the kernel... |
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| 21:30.51 | foo | potolo: Yup, just don't want to make sure I go disabling stuff I need :D |
| 21:30.56 | potolo | Nemoder: Are you 100%sure that the symlink list command is ls -ld $ DIRECTORY ? |
| 21:31.24 | potolo | Feto: vmware modules for debian at fbriere.net I believe! |
| 21:31.38 | Nemoder | potolo: that simply shows if the directory specified is a real directory or a symlink |
| 21:31.43 | potolo | foo: google.com/linux each command ;) |
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| 21:31.56 | foo | potolo: Hehe, thanks, I know what I'm doing |
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| 21:32.09 | potolo | foo: heh, no offence intended then |
| 21:32.14 | foo | potolo: I HATE YOU! |
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| 21:32.19 | foo | potolo: :P Just kidding, no worries. |
| 21:32.24 | foo | potolo: Thanks for the help |
| 21:32.39 | potolo | foo: Oh NOEZ! :p | You're welcome |
| 21:32.44 | potolo | Nemoder: Oh. :/ Well all the directories are real. It's just that some of them may be symlinked also |
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| 21:33.04 | AnyFile | Can I delete (an how) all the file in /var/cache/apt/archives ? |
| 21:33.06 | iturk | vin`: so let us understand this first "echo -n 3 > /proc/acpi/fan/FAN0/state" turns off the FAN that's is what says in internet but are you shore "0" will turn it on ??? |
| 21:33.08 | Nemoder | potolo: oh.. well I don't think you can trace it backwards |
| 21:34.03 | vin` | iturk: yes, 0 is supposed to turn in on, try 'echo on > /proc/acpi/fan/FAN0/state' as well. |
| 21:34.03 | potolo | Nemoder: ah. shame. I'll see if there's a separate tool/software out there instead |
| 21:34.03 | Nemoder | potolo: maybe with the find command there's a way to search |
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| 21:34.14 | potolo | Nemoder: thanks, I'll look into that |
| 21:34.21 | Nemoder | potolo: but creating a symlink to a file doesn't effect the file, only the linkfile being created |
| 21:35.14 | potolo | Nemoder: Yes, but I don't want to manipulate the existing symlinks. Just need to check how they're set up and add any missing. |
| 21:35.19 | iturk | vin`: in dmesg i am getting "ACPI: Transitioning device [FAN0] to D0" |
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| 21:36.04 | iturk | vin`: but still i am getting "cat /proc/acpi/fan/FAN0/state status: off" |
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| 21:36.58 | DawnLight | hey, where do i get expanded information on the kernel options? |
| 21:37.17 | xarquid | google.com/linux? |
| 21:37.23 | Nemoder | potolo: 'find -type l' will search for all symlinks, that might be a good start |
| 21:37.27 | xarquid | any specific information you need, DawnLight ? |
| 21:37.35 | iturk | vin`: did D0 means to be "turn on" ? |
| 21:37.46 | awk | how do you do a apt-get upate --exlucde= ? |
| 21:38.09 | awk | exclduing file X |
| 21:38.18 | DawnLight | xarquid: i am compiling for the first time and the menuconfig gives some info but i'd rather have more. |
| 21:38.18 | potolo | Nemoder: thank you |
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| 21:38.43 | xarquid | DawnLight: Check out some of the results for "kernel compiling" in google.com/linux -- there are some good ones there, tis where I learned too :) |
| 21:38.49 | vin` | iturk: I think so |
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| 21:39.30 | DawnLight | xarquid: if you like helping, then CONFIG_AUDIT. do i need it if i don't know what that is? |
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| 21:39.43 | AnyFile | awk, with update you update just the packaging list, and you can not pass parameter whith this command |
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| 21:39.52 | Feto | potolo: can you help me configure vmware? or at least install the kernel sources properly? |
| 21:40.15 | xarquid | It's required by SELinux, in the long run I would just recommend enabling it |
| 21:40.17 | AnyFile | Can I delete (an how) all the file in /var/cache/apt/archives ? |
| 21:40.19 | cheshire314 | hi guys |
| 21:40.55 | potolo | Feto: sorry no I haven't done it yet. I've downloaded the modules from fbriere.net and vmware itself but haven't set it up. so it'd be blind leading the blind! |
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| 21:41.21 | potolo | AnyFile: apt-get clean and apt-get autoclean / |
| 21:41.54 | Feto | fbriere.net |
| 21:41.56 | potolo | AnyFile: actually, try: apt-get clean && apt-get autoclean |
| 21:41.58 | Feto | that can probably help |
| 21:41.59 | Feto | brb |
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| 21:42.15 | AnyFile | thanks |
| 21:42.21 | madriss | hi :) when I boot into debian (desktop with gdm) my monitor goes black and says OVER RANGE, then a few seconds later everything loads up... however, the edge of my screen on the right is too far over so i can only see half of scroll bars etc. its at the same resolution i use windows at so it should work, is there a way to adjust it? |
| 21:42.23 | zamaliphe | i get this error when i tray ed to commpile nvidia driver : any help this is the installer log -->> file http://pastebin.ca/481549 <-- pleases help |
| 21:43.39 | zamaliphe | by the way i use unstable with 2.6.20.1 686 kernel :D |
| 21:43.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | X segfaults since update to etch.card is a GeForce6150, the nvidia (binary) kernel module is loaded, xserver-xorg is now 7.1.0.16, kernel is 2.6.18-4-k7, according to strace, the last thing it tries to write that it's initializing glx (without doing strace, it only reports 'using /etc/X11/xorg.conf' gdb backtrace doesnt yield anything useful - any suggestions what to look for? |
| 21:43.44 | cheshire314 | i've lenny, i'm trying to "apt-get install libc6-dev", but i'm told there're some "unmet dependencies" ("libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.3.6.ds1-13) but 2.5-7 is to be installed"). i only used sid repository once today, but i only took one package from sid, then i removed the repo... any ideas? maybe my lenny is now broken? |
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| 21:44.22 | vin` | iturk: in your dmesg you have "ACPI: Transitioning device [FAN0] to D3", 3 is off, 0 is on. you could try to boot without acpi, try another kernel and google some more. ;) |
| 21:44.46 | lu-bao | gdm cant load fglrx_drv.so module in /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/ and crashes giving me that error (i looked into that dir fglrx_drv.so exists and other error is it cant load module "fglrx" but why :( |
| 21:45.08 | vin` | iturk: also check if there's anything related to the fan in the bios. |
| 21:45.16 | foo | Looks like rpc.statd is running on port 803. This is for the nfs client or server? I think it might have been installed by default on debian. |
| 21:45.20 | iturk | vin`: ok i find that 0 it's really to turn it on |
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| 21:46.24 | duryodhan2 | hey. .. how do I go about installing debian on my comp which already has linux . lilo/grub .. I have the CD images and blank space and I dont want to burn the images to an actual CD... I googled and most links are for doing this through windows ... |
| 21:46.39 | h3sp4wn | cheshire314: seems likely you have sid's libc6 |
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| 21:46.48 | regulate_ | lu-bao: pastebin your error |
| 21:46.51 | solemnwarning | Does CUPS support per-user quotas? |
| 21:47.09 | jelly-home | cheshire314: have you removed the sid repo since? |
| 21:47.09 | solemnwarning | I'm trying to build a CUPS printserver for a windows network |
| 21:47.09 | potolo | duryodhan2 the installer should detect the other linux install present and tell you it's found it on partition $foo |
| 21:47.14 | regulate_ | lu-bao: check the kernel module lsmod| grep gl |
| 21:47.23 | hermogenes | duryodhan2: do you have "blank space" or an empity partition? |
| 21:47.27 | Feto | potolo: how do you download the package from there? :P |
| 21:47.34 | hermogenes | empty* |
| 21:47.39 | jelly-home | cheshire314: dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1 will confirm whether you have libc6 from sid too |
| 21:48.10 | lu-bao | regulate_: i said what this window gives me out as error theres nothing other |
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| 21:48.11 | duryodhan2 | hermogenes: could make it blank .. I am a reasonably advanced linux user ... just am not sure how to go about here for debian .... |
| 21:48.20 | potolo | Feto hold on a mo, I'll give you the /etc/apt/sources.list line - I'm on winxp @ the mo but I should be able to browse to the file fine |
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| 21:49.57 | Nemoder | duryodhan2: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s05.html.en |
| 21:49.58 | Feto | potolo: i already mixed that line in |
| 21:50.07 | potolo | Feto: I'm on Lenny, so you may need to adapt it dependent on whether you use stable/testing etc: deb http://www.fbriere.net/debian/dists/lenny/ / |
| 21:50.08 | cheshire314 | jelly-home: i'm afraid so: "ii libc6 2.5-7 GNU C Library: Shared libraries" |
| 21:50.09 | Feto | what i don't know now is what to do now |
| 21:50.14 | rosabl | hello. i have a Pentium with 400 MHertz Ram around 180 MB HDD1 2.5 and HDD2 500 MB for swap, i try to install ---> debian-40r0-i386-netinst.iso but it always throughs out an error message : Debootstrap missing will attempt 5 more times |
| 21:50.20 | lu-bao | regulate_: libstdc++5.so cant get loaded no such file or directory |
| 21:50.30 | potolo | Feto: then apt-get update and apt-get install $packagename ? |
| 21:50.31 | rosabl | package missing |
| 21:50.34 | jelly-home | cheshire314: yay! |
| 21:50.37 | rosabl | error |
| 21:50.41 | duryodhan2 | hermogenes: aww shit ... why didn't google gimme that? |
| 21:50.50 | Feto | apt-get update |
| 21:50.54 | iturk | vin`: by what i have search if i boot with acpi=off the fan wil always be on |
| 21:51.11 | kamiro87 | HEllo i'm having a problem getting my '00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801CA/CAM AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02)' to work under linux.I installed alsa-base using apt-get and i still dont have sound. Does anyone have any suggestions? |
| 21:51.13 | cheshire314 | jelly-home: i'm afraid i stupidly made dirt in my lenny... how do you think i can get back? |
| 21:51.27 | h3sp4wn | cheshire314: be along time before it goes into testing http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=libc6 |
| 21:51.30 | potolo | Feto you can browse thru the repositories via a web browser on his server :p to find the packagename. yeah, apt-get update will download the file list from the new repository. you can always use the synaptic frontend if you prefer |
| 21:51.31 | duryodhan2 | hermogenes: thanks a lot. ... and sorry about not RTFM ... |
| 21:51.33 | rosabl | alsaconf |
| 21:51.37 | stew | cheshire314: you can wait for libc6 to transition to lenny, or you can reinstall |
| 21:51.39 | iturk | vin`: this is related to acpi that is not controlling the FAN !! if you find any topic considering that let me know !! thanks till now |
| 21:52.02 | hermogenes | duryodhan2: you meant Nemoder |
| 21:52.03 | rosabl | kamiro87 try à lsaconf |
| 21:52.14 | rosabl | #alsaconf |
| 21:52.15 | jelly-home | cheshire314: I'd take a look at dpkg.log and aptitude.log to see what packages exactly got upgraded, then forcibly downgrade them to versions fom lenny |
| 21:52.24 | kamiro87 | ok |
| 21:52.30 | DawnLight | is there a manual for the different kernel compile options? there are so many that i don't remotely understand... |
| 21:52.42 | h3sp4wn | DawnLight: look in the Documentation directory |
| 21:52.44 | regulate_ | lu-bao: aptitude install libstdc++5 |
| 21:52.48 | cheshire314 | jelly-home: that's good, i'll have a look immediately |
| 21:52.49 | kamiro87 | tried 'alsaconf' as root and its not there |
| 21:52.51 | duryodhan2 | Nemoder has left the building ... |
| 21:52.56 | Feto | None of the pre-built vmmon modules for VMware Workstation is suitable for your |
| 21:52.57 | Feto | running kernel. |
| 21:52.59 | Feto | =( |
| 21:53.01 | rosabl | oh |
| 21:53.01 | Nemoder | duryodhan2: I did? |
| 21:53.10 | kamiro87 | oh |
| 21:53.15 | Kevin` | Feto that's to be expected in most situations. let it build one |
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| 21:53.22 | Feto | ah ok |
| 21:53.25 | Nemoder | kamiro87: install alsa-utils |
| 21:53.28 | Feto | but i don't have the kernel sources... |
| 21:53.33 | Kevin` | Feto get.. them |
| 21:53.37 | Feto | how? |
| 21:53.37 | duryodhan2 | Nemoder : Stupid auto complete! :( |
| 21:53.42 | DawnLight | of the source? good idea h3sp4wn |
| 21:53.42 | Nemoder | :) |
| 21:53.46 | lu-bao | omg i give up stupid 3D .... |
| 21:53.48 | potolo | the debian kernel sources are all in the debian repository |
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| 21:53.49 | duryodhan2 | Nemoder : Thanks but ... |
| 21:53.54 | potolo | ok, time for me to go. |
| 21:54.10 | Kevin` | I think you can install linux-headers-yourversion |
| 21:54.16 | HymnToLife | Feto, apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 21:54.24 | HymnToLife | should be all you need to build the vmware modules |
| 21:54.36 | seth1248 | I keep getting the error: EXT3-fs: Unrecognized mount option "umask=0000" or missing value |
| 21:54.43 | seth1248 | What am I doing wrong? |
| 21:54.49 | smcavoy_ | I have a perl script that works on other distros but on debian I'm seeing "Undefined sibroutine &main::getaddrinfo ..." any suggestion as to why the script using POSIX is generating this error? |
| 21:54.58 | stew | seth1248: ext3 doesn't support umask/uid/gid |
| 21:55.00 | HymnToLife | seth1248, why are you using umask in the first place ? |
| 21:55.06 | Feto | E: Couldn't find package linux-headers-s2.6.18-4-k7 |
| 21:55.06 | stew | seth1248: they use regular filesystem permissions |
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| 21:55.21 | stew | Feto: try linux-headers-2.6.18-4-k7 |
| 21:55.25 | Feto | oh n/m |
| 21:55.25 | regulate_ | Feto: typo |
| 21:55.26 | Feto | thanks :) |
| 21:55.47 | Kevin` | Feto if you don't have it installed already, also install build-essential |
| 21:55.53 | hermogenes | smcavoy_: this script surely ins't using POSIX... :-) |
| 21:56.09 | smcavoy_ | hermogenes, use POSIX; |
| 21:56.10 | madriss | how do i reconfigure xorg? my monitor isnt aligning my screen correctly |
| 21:56.24 | stew | madriss: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 21:56.25 | smcavoy_ | hermogenes, I assumed getaddrinfo was a part of that |
| 21:56.30 | madriss | thanks |
| 21:56.32 | Feto | ahh it seems to be going now |
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| 21:57.22 | hermogenes | smcavoy_: It may be POSIX compliant |
| 21:57.29 | Feto | and it went |
| 21:57.30 | Feto | :) |
| 21:57.51 | Feto | yay it's running! :D |
| 21:57.55 | regulate_ | smcavoy_: getaddrinfo is provided by Net::addrinfo |
| 21:58.56 | Feto | now to set up a vm |
| 21:58.59 | Feto | for winxp |
| 21:59.03 | Feto | and another one for winvista |
| 21:59.10 | seth1248 | So is umask only for filesystems like ntfs and vfat (filesystems that do not use permissions)? |
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| 21:59.50 | cheshire314 | jelly-home: thanks to you, i found the problem while reading dpkg.log. i forgot to comment out sid repos while fetching these two packages: kernel-package and fakeroot |
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| 22:00.14 | smcavoy_ | regulate_, any idea why the same script would work on other distro's without including use Net::addrinfo; in it? |
| 22:00.35 | DawnLight | i don't want any SMP stuff when compiling for an old Pentium 4, right? |
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| 22:00.49 | smcavoy_ | DawnLight, nope |
| 22:00.54 | Feto | and now, play |
| 22:00.55 | DawnLight | thanks |
| 22:00.57 | Feto | see how it goes |
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| 22:01.13 | AnyFile | seth1248, you can use the umask option only for those filesystem that allow it (see man mount for details) |
| 22:01.14 | meezyfuh | hi. does anyone know how to handle a kgb file? |
| 22:01.25 | cheshire314 | jelly-home: so it seems i have a few packages from sid (but now i'm more calm cause i can read dpkg and _exactly_ know who tey are) |
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| 22:01.36 | Artimus | Are there any prebuilt kernel packages with APM support? |
| 22:01.51 | cheshire314 | is there a way to downgrade libc6 package from sid to lenny? |
| 22:02.16 | sytimax | can someone tell me how do i add a nic to start at boot that doesnt have a ip adress associated to it? |
| 22:02.17 | cheshire314 | well i guess i can rtfm |
| 22:02.24 | cheshire314 | you're right |
| 22:02.29 | jelly-home | cheshire314: you can do apt-cache policy package-name to see which version is in lenny, and apt-get install package-name=version |
| 22:02.43 | meezyfuh | it seems kgb is a windows-only compressor/archiver. |
| 22:02.51 | meezyfuh | can anyone tell me how to uncompress a kgb file in linux? |
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| 22:03.22 | pdbogen | In Soviet Russia, KGB uncompresses YOU. |
| 22:03.54 | jelly-home | !win pdbogen |
| 22:03.55 | dpkg | Congratulations, pdbogen! You have won the US presidency! |
| 22:04.02 | xingu | uncompress, repress, what is difference, ah hah hah ha |
| 22:04.03 | meezyfuh | very amusing, but seriously. i need some help |
| 22:04.21 | meezyfuh | i've tried googling, sourceforging, and it seems like the only thing possible is using windows. which is not an option. |
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| 22:04.47 | pdbogen | http://sourceforge.net/projects/kgbarchiver/ |
| 22:05.00 | jelly-home | meezyfuh: have you heard of this thing called "wine"? |
| 22:05.28 | meezyfuh | pdbogen: yes i went there but it's all windows. and i found a bzip file but i don't know how to handle a .cpp file. i know it's source but without ./configure and make i am clueless. |
| 22:05.28 | regulate_ | jelly-home: why would you say such things |
| 22:05.35 | meezyfuh | jelly-home: no, what would getting drunk do? |
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| 22:05.43 | jelly-home | regulate_: I'm trying to get him drunk! |
| 22:05.45 | cheshire314 | jelly-home: you've been a great help to me! thank you sooo much |
| 22:05.45 | pepse | does anyone by chance know how to use Ez-IpUpdate behind NAT (with local IPs)? |
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| 22:06.27 | jelly-home | !wine |
| 22:06.28 | dpkg | from memory, wine is packaged in the wine package. http://www.winehq.com/ or #winehq. Stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator. A buggy alternative win32 API, or a tasty alcoholic beverage. |
| 22:07.03 | karsten | Except for the cheap stuff. |
| 22:07.15 | Feto | windows is not booting :( |
| 22:07.21 | regulate_ | good. |
| 22:07.22 | meezyfuh | so, does that mean i should download this wine and try to use kgb that way? |
| 22:07.22 | xingu | how could you tell the difference between a generic, buggy win32 api and the real, buggy win32 api? |
| 22:07.25 | omri | wow; I've just finished setting up thin client with debian and an X server with gnome; this sh*t is F-A-S-T |
| 22:07.26 | karsten | Feto: Feature! |
| 22:07.36 | Feto | yeah |
| 22:07.56 | omri | I have to change the resolution though and fix some more stuff, but it WORKS :) |
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| 22:08.05 | meezyfuh | i guess i will give it a shot. thanks guys. |
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| 22:08.14 | Feto | i'm gonna se if the phys machine still boots it |
| 22:08.15 | Feto | brb |
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| 22:08.27 | jelly-home | xingu: they're buggy in different ways |
| 22:08.37 | xingu | differently buggy |
| 22:08.49 | regulate_ | what a slogan |
| 22:08.51 | jelly-home | buggy trousers |
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| 22:09.11 | xingu | lots of smells and lots of noise, that's for sure |
| 22:09.23 | regulate_ | hrm |
| 22:09.30 | regulate_ | i haven't tried wine with ck1 yet |
| 22:10.21 | DawnLight | do i want the anticipatory i/o scheduler, the deadline one, or both, for my desktop? |
| 22:10.32 | regulate_ | you want cfs |
| 22:10.42 | rahul | xingu: someone's farting? |
| 22:10.51 | rahul | xingu: or is it a group farting session? |
| 22:10.59 | karsten | rahul: Need you ask? |
| 22:11.00 | h3sp4wn | DawnLight: If you are using -ck then you want deadline |
| 22:11.24 | DawnLight | CFQ, you mean, regulate_? |
| 22:11.27 | regulate_ | cfq |
| 22:11.31 | h3sp4wn | DawnLight: (that is 2.6.21-ck1) |
| 22:11.37 | regulate_ | oh |
| 22:11.41 | regulate_ | ck1 patches? |
| 22:12.12 | Feto | hmm winxp does boot |
| 22:12.22 | Feto | any reason why it may not boot inside the vm? |
| 22:12.48 | DawnLight | oh that patch... i decided as a first compile, to not use any of them patches (except bootsplash and debian) |
| 22:12.49 | regulate_ | you configured your vm incorrectly |
| 22:13.00 | h3sp4wn | DawnLight: use cfq then |
| 22:13.11 | DawnLight | and unmark the other two? |
| 22:13.38 | h3sp4wn | Yeah |
| 22:13.43 | DawnLight | nice thanks |
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| 22:14.43 | en1gma | does debian have like an auto update feature that lets you know when updates are available? like windows update notifications? |
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| 22:14.48 | madriss | when i boot debian my monitor goes black and says OVER RANGE, then flickers back on and is fine, but my screen is slightly too far to the right. any ideas? |
| 22:15.27 | jelly-home | en1gma: cron-apt? |
| 22:15.45 | en1gma | im not sure...im still dlaoding but getting prepped to burn |
| 22:15.46 | xarquid | en1gma: : also you choose that upon installation iirc |
| 22:15.48 | en1gma | and install |
| 22:15.52 | en1gma | nice |
| 22:16.07 | xarquid | en1gma: in x windows (gnome for example) it does notify you in the interval you select (1 day, 1 week or whatever) |
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| 22:16.15 | ghatak12 | Hi, how do i find out which process is talking to an IP 192.168.5.9 on my lan ? |
| 22:16.27 | en1gma | does kde have something like that |
| 22:16.34 | xarquid | en1gma: yes same thing |
| 22:16.38 | jelly-home | ghatak12: netstat |
| 22:16.41 | en1gma | ok kool |
| 22:16.42 | tminos | ghatak12: lsof -i |
| 22:16.46 | en1gma | thanks |
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| 22:17.51 | jelly-home | ghatak12: netstat -tupan |grep 192.168.5.9: , even |
| 22:18.18 | ghatak12 | thanks |
| 22:18.52 | tminos | sorry, lsof -i @<address> |
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| 22:19.31 | nazgjunk | is there any way for me to check if my network hardware is supported by the network install? |
| 22:19.37 | ghatak12 | thanks |
| 22:19.41 | nazgjunk | before downloading and trying, that is |
| 22:20.03 | regulate_ | what is your network hardware? |
| 22:20.26 | sleekmountaincat | hello, i noticed my pcmcia wireless card (netgear wg511t, using the madwifi drivers) consistantly finds far less networks (3 as opposed to 15) and has very bad link quality and signal strength compared with my onboard broadcom wireless nic. i have exhacnged card and got new one, a netgear wpn511, but the problem is still present. the two cards do have the same version of atheros chipset. is... |
| 22:20.29 | sleekmountaincat | ...it worth exchanging card for another manufacturer (d-link, belkin, etc), or is there some inherent conflict between madwifi drivers and debian etch on my 3 yr old laptop? |
| 22:20.30 | nazgjunk | sitecom wl-113 usb adapter, zd1211 chipset |
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| 22:21.13 | karmatronic | hi there |
| 22:21.33 | karmatronic | will gnome 2.16 be in debian soon ? |
| 22:21.50 | stew | karmatronic: probably never |
| 22:21.56 | DawnLight | how do i know if my system can do HPET?.. a look in wikipedia suggests that this is new technology, so my old pentium 4 doesn't know about it? |
| 22:21.58 | karmatronic | how come ? |
| 22:22.11 | stew | karmatronic: 2.6.18 will probably go in soonish |
| 22:22.20 | jelly-home | karmatronic: 2.18 will be newer and better? :-) |
| 22:22.22 | stew | err |
| 22:22.25 | stew | 2.18 is already in |
| 22:22.26 | nazgjunk | regulate_, any idea? |
| 22:22.29 | stew | !info gnome-session |
| 22:22.31 | dpkg | gnome-session: (The GNOME 2 Session Manager), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.18.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 543 kB, Installed size: 2628 kB |
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| 22:22.42 | karmatronic | stew: yeah simply beautiful :) |
| 22:23.00 | pepse | anyone know how to use ez-ipupdate with local IPs (behind NAT)? |
| 22:23.05 | jelly-home | stew: hmm, the metapackage is not there yet |
| 22:23.25 | stew | jelly-home: yeah, it must only be partially uploaded |
| 22:23.33 | Feto | i can't create a virtual machine |
| 22:23.43 | karmatronic | stew: ok i ll pass to testing then |
| 22:24.01 | Feto | it says it can't access the file |
| 22:24.07 | en1gma | is there a kernel pkg for 2.6.20.x |
| 22:24.10 | Feto | but it's in my directory and the permissions are fine |
| 22:24.12 | Feto | =/ |
| 22:24.24 | DawnLight | pepse: you need to look at the documentation and edit the configuration file. one common mistake is to take ip from eth0 instaed of ppp0 when you have dial-up |
| 22:24.24 | karmatronic | pepse: yeps , i have a script to do that |
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| 22:24.56 | DawnLight | pepse: ddclient works for me |
| 22:25.06 | karmatronic | DawnLight: he has a private address on eth0 and he wants to send his public address |
| 22:25.08 | pepse | i'm on dsl, behind nat.. it requires pppoa, so I have to use the modem in router mode |
| 22:25.24 | Feto | is it because i want to access /dev/sda? |
| 22:25.26 | pepse | so eth0 is the only interface on the machine i'm trying to run it on |
| 22:25.37 | Feto | i want vmware to use my physical disk |
| 22:25.40 | pepse | karmatronic: right |
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| 22:25.55 | DawnLight | pepse: there are services that check your ip. you can use that option |
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| 22:26.33 | DawnLight | but i don't know if ez-ipupdate does that. ddclient does |
| 22:26.39 | iturk | hi there friends! how can i add a boot parameter to grub ? |
| 22:26.41 | pepse | yi.org only has a config for ez-ipupdate so that's the one i tried with. i'll check if ddclient supports yi.org |
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| 22:27.02 | karmatronic | epsilon: i use that |
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| 22:27.07 | DawnLight | iturk: the file is /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 22:27.14 | pepse | karmatronic: can i take a peek at your script? |
| 22:27.23 | creature | Hello. I can mount my iPod if I plug it directly into the back of my PC, but if I plug it in via a USB hub it isn't mountable - it doesn't show up as a block device. How do I fix this? |
| 22:27.24 | karmatronic | pepse: http://checkip.dyndns.org will give you yuor public address |
| 22:27.31 | iturk | DawnLight: if i do update-grub my boot parameter goes out !! |
| 22:27.35 | cheshire314 | jelly-home: i suppose there ain't a way to do a massive downgrade from sid to lenny (remember? i'm the guy with a few packages from sid which make dirt in my lenny, i wish to downgrade them, but i'm a little bit afraid i can miss some of them) |
| 22:27.41 | en1gma | anyone have a gf 8800 gtx and installed debian? just wanting to know if im going to have any problems....note i have a 21" lcd with DVI hookeup |
| 22:27.48 | karmatronic | pepse: http://paste.debian.net/27666 |
| 22:27.48 | regulate_ | nazgjunk: i say give it a try |
| 22:27.53 | pepse | karmatronic: yeah but how do I have ez-ipupdate use that? |
| 22:27.55 | iturk | DawnLight: what should i do in order to do like in lilo /sbin/lilo ??? |
| 22:28.02 | pepse | ah, thanks |
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| 22:28.28 | karmatronic | pepse: script is mine so it s not perfectr |
| 22:28.56 | iturk | DawnLight: any idea ? |
| 22:29.01 | DawnLight | that's the end of my knowledge, iturk. sorry. stick around, someone will pick you up |
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| 22:29.24 | rvsjoen | where to change which JRE is using by tomcat55 on debian ? |
| 22:29.26 | omri | when connecting to a remote X server, is it possible to hear sounds locally? |
| 22:29.34 | h3sp4wn | cheshire314: use apt-show-versions |
| 22:29.45 | jelly-home | cheshire314: if you only did one install there should only be that package and the related dependencies |
| 22:29.48 | xand | creature: unsufficient power? |
| 22:29.57 | xand | *in |
| 22:30.03 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: wtf is apt-show-versions? |
| 22:30.18 | iturk | DawnLight: i have add the boot parameter to that file like acpi=off then i reboot and still my kernel was using acpi. So what should i do in order to active it ? |
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| 22:30.25 | karmatronic | omri: yes you can |
| 22:30.25 | creature | xand: Hmm. Could be. But I doubt it. |
| 22:30.32 | iturk | by the way any one knows how to add a boot parameter to grub ?? |
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| 22:30.57 | creature | xand: The only thing plugged into the hub is the iPod, a USB cable with nothing on the other end, and my Palm dock. But the dock has its own power adaptor and the palm isn't in it, so it shouldn't be drawing any power anyway. |
| 22:30.57 | xand | creature: does dmesg mention it at all? |
| 22:30.58 | karmatronic | omri: launch esd -nobeeps locally |
| 22:31.02 | h3sp4wn | jelly-home: program (you can see things that are in repos currently not in sources.list) |
| 22:31.15 | omri | I'll check; thanks |
| 22:31.17 | karmatronic | omri: then on the remote server , launch your console sound client with esd option |
| 22:31.21 | pepse | karmatronic: do you have that running in cron or something? |
| 22:31.26 | karmatronic | pepse: yes |
| 22:31.27 | jelly-home | hmm |
| 22:31.29 | creature | xand: it says "usb 1-1.1: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 6" and "usb 1-1.1: no configuration chosen from 2 choices". |
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| 22:31.34 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: ah, I see it |
| 22:31.40 | pepse | karmatronic: how often? |
| 22:32.11 | h3sp4wn | cheshire314: apt-show-versions | grep 'No available version in archive' (if nothing is there then you should be ok) |
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| 22:32.22 | xand | plug usb hub into different port |
| 22:32.29 | cheshire314 | jelly-home: yes, but you know... i'm one of those anxious guys... :-) anyway, you're right, i'll do it by hand |
| 22:32.47 | karmatronic | pepse: every hour , since i m a neurotic :) |
| 22:32.52 | pepse | hehe |
| 22:32.56 | creature | xand: That's what I get when I plug the ipod into the hub, not the hub into the computer. |
| 22:33.18 | omri | karmatronic, thanks :) |
| 22:33.36 | omri | thin clients are awesome :) |
| 22:34.00 | Feto | i can't boot winxp under vmware =( |
| 22:34.32 | karmatronic | omri: actually on client , you have to launch esd -tcp -port your_port |
| 22:34.58 | xand | creature: have you tried connecting the usb hub to the same port on your PC that works with the ipod? |
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| 22:35.20 | creature | xand: It is connected to that port. |
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| 22:35.38 | xand | have you tried others? |
| 22:35.53 | pepse | karmatronic: ok, this is what I get with address.. |
| 22:35.54 | pepse | karmatronic: warning: for GNUDIP the "address" parameter is only used if set to "0.0.0.0" thus making an offline request |
| 22:36.11 | pepse | and in daemon.log I see May 10 15:30:05 clamps ez-ipupdate[15504]: failed to update eth0->192.168.0.2 |
| 22:36.15 | pepse | with "invalid login attempt" |
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| 22:36.27 | omri | karmatronic, how the server knows where to connect to? |
| 22:36.39 | pepse | if I omit interface=, it complains |
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| 22:37.09 | putridp | I've got an ide disk in an external enclosure. Parted is struggling to delete a partition that was previously created by a mac (it crashes). Is there another utility I can try? |
| 22:37.19 | sinizzl | hi there |
| 22:37.45 | Feto | i'm gonna install it in a vdisk |
| 22:37.47 | Feto | :S |
| 22:38.22 | creature | xand: Other ports? |
| 22:38.43 | regulate_ | Feto: were you trying to use a real physical disk? |
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| 22:39.07 | karmatronic | mpg321 -o esd -a client_ip your_fic.mp3 |
| 22:39.11 | rahul | !penixstrike stoned |
| 22:39.11 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking stoned to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 22:39.17 | sinizzl | i have the following network setup: client -> wlan router -> printserver. how can i connect to the printserver (samba) ? smbclient -L <ip adress> lists all the shared, but unfortunately when im looking (using mac os x) for other printers the entire SMB workgroup doesnt show up |
| 22:39.18 | karmatronic | pepse: mpg321 -o esd -a client_ip your_fic.mp3 |
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| 22:39.33 | en1gma | i have 4 sata drives in a raid0 stripe (bios-raid) anyhow that is my windows ntfs drive...i set it as first boot device in bios....now i also have one ide hd on pri-master but its not set as first boot device...so when i install debian is it going to want to write grub to hd0,0 which is actually my raid0 or will it figure out where to put grub on the ide....when i switch my bios to have ide as first boot drive it should boot debian...and when |
| 22:39.44 | en1gma | can someone tell me what i need to do |
| 22:40.03 | xand | creature: not all usb ports are equal |
| 22:40.04 | karmatronic | pepse: did that work |
| 22:40.18 | en1gma | do i have the ide set to boot in bios when i install debian? or can i have raid0 as first boot device when i install debian |
| 22:40.19 | omri | karmatronic, can't the default gnome output be something? |
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| 22:40.42 | karmatronic | omri: didnt understand you |
| 22:40.45 | xand | creature: if the hub isn't powered, that could cause problems... I think it's a hardware issue unless it works with another OS on the same setup |
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| 22:41.04 | omri | I want all the sounds to /dev/dsp be heard on the local machine |
| 22:41.04 | creature | xand: This hub is powered, supposedly, but I haven't plugged the adaptor in. Could that be it? Surely I can run a 4 port hub and an iPod off one USB port on my motherboard. |
| 22:41.10 | karmatronic | omri: on the server you can also launch mplayer -ao esd:your_host your_fic.mp3 |
| 22:41.15 | creature | Doesn't a USB port provide something like 700 mA of power? |
| 22:41.54 | xand | 500 |
| 22:42.00 | xand | plug it in and try again |
| 22:42.02 | pickcoder | en1gma: grub can reside anywhere but your MBR still launches the boot loader |
| 22:42.11 | sinizzl | how can i connect to a samba network that's behind a router? |
| 22:42.16 | omri | hmm.. the mpg123 doesn't work |
| 22:42.25 | pickcoder | en1gma: google for dual-boot Debian Windows |
| 22:42.27 | omri | something with the -o esd |
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| 22:42.30 | xand | and 0.5A at 5V isn't that much |
| 22:42.40 | cheshire314 | h3sp4wn: apt-show-versions doesn't work: it gives me back nothing, while libc6 is still the wrong (sid) version |
| 22:42.52 | creature | xand: Will do. |
| 22:42.52 | en1gma | so if i have boot drive = raid0 then sda = hd0,0 and it will still boot the ide where debian will be? |
| 22:43.05 | h3sp4wn | cheshire314: I guess you are not using it correctly then |
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| 22:43.35 | hermogenes | en1gma: No. |
| 22:43.44 | en1gma | hmmm |
| 22:43.44 | pickcoder | en1gma: Windows prefers to own it's own MBR. if you install grub on your boot device (BIOS drive 0) then Windows won't load |
| 22:43.57 | h3sp4wn | cheshire314: run it without arguments |
| 22:44.01 | Feto | how do I change virtual desktops using the keyboard? |
| 22:44.05 | rahul | pickcoder: huh?? |
| 22:44.11 | pickcoder | you really should check out the dual-boot how-tos |
| 22:44.14 | rahul | pickcoder: that's bull shit. |
| 22:44.14 | en1gma | crap so i need to set bios to boot ide as 1st device so it will become hd0,0? |
| 22:44.19 | pickcoder | rahul: ok |
| 22:44.22 | rahul | with a capital space |
| 22:44.27 | pepse | sorry was on the phone |
| 22:44.28 | pickcoder | rahul: how so |
| 22:44.35 | pepse | karmatronic: i'm not sure what you meant by the mpg321 one thing :) |
| 22:44.35 | creature | xand: Yeah, that got it. Damn. I was hoping I wouldn't have to power the hub. |
| 22:44.40 | omri | karmatronic, mplayer worked :) |
| 22:44.47 | rahul | pickcoder: windows works perfectly with other bootloaders chaning to it |
| 22:44.48 | omri | what about "default sound output" ? |
| 22:44.50 | hermogenes | en1gma: Just tTo install? No. |
| 22:44.53 | h3sp4wn | cheshire314: and look its packagename/archive (maybe it would say libc6/sid uptodate 2.5-7) |
| 22:44.55 | hermogenes | to* |
| 22:45.04 | en1gma | to my understanding grub likes to install to hd0,0 and the bios boot order can change what device is hd0,0 |
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| 22:45.06 | karmatronic | omri: yeah that s a tough one , i m thinking |
| 22:45.06 | pickcoder | rahul: yes.. but you have to configure the boot loader to load Windows too |
| 22:45.19 | rahul | uh |
| 22:45.22 | rahul | pickcoder: duh. |
| 22:45.29 | omri | thanks alot :) |
| 22:45.41 | rahul | if you don't configure it to load windows, then windows doesn't have a chance to complain, anyway |
| 22:45.49 | pickcoder | rahul: it's not that obvious to everyone who installs operating systems |
| 22:46.01 | rahul | pickcoder: it doesn't need to be |
| 22:46.16 | rahul | either you have the bootloader set up or you don't |
| 22:46.31 | hermogenes | en1gma: I don't think the bios can do that... |
| 22:46.32 | pickcoder | I didn't see you offering information |
| 22:46.35 | pickcoder | get off my back |
| 22:46.44 | Feto | is there some keyboard shortcut to switch desktops? |
| 22:46.45 | putridp | Can anyone help with this, please? http://www.edsplace.me.uk/parted-pastebin.txt . Parted is crashing when trying to delete a partition on an ide disk in an external enclosure. |
| 22:46.56 | omri | esddsp Reroute non-esd audio data through esd. This permits you to control all the audio on the system using only esd. |
| 22:47.01 | cheshire314 | h3sp4wn: ok, your hint is veeery good! (though i had to use "grep 'newer than version in archive'" instead of "grep 'No available version in archive'") |
| 22:47.11 | omri | that probably created a fake /dev/dsp device, right? |
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| 22:47.16 | omri | *creates |
| 22:47.21 | hermogenes | en1gma: even if you change the boot device on the bios the hard drives names wont change |
| 22:47.23 | en1gma | well windows already has a bootloader when it was installed and i imagine in my case that would be sda and not sdb sdc or sdd....now if i add the ide and still leave bios option to boot raid as first device when i install grub it will write to sda...now im just not sure if it will pick up the windows info there and add the debian drive or not |
| 22:47.35 | en1gma | or maybe it will write over the windows mbr and screw it up |
| 22:47.36 | omri | the only problem that esound package doesn't have it :) |
| 22:47.57 | penguin | You can do a map to trick windows into thinking it is on hd0 |
| 22:47.58 | h3sp4wn | cheshire314: ah I run sid so didn't know about that |
| 22:48.12 | en1gma | ahhh |
| 22:48.17 | penguin | I havent got it to work yet though |
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| 22:48.39 | karmatronic | omri: maybe this thing could work |
| 22:48.48 | omri | I think it will |
| 22:48.51 | en1gma | so what should i have bios boot order to be when i install debian...do i set it as ide? |
| 22:48.55 | omri | http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/linux/cmd/cmd.csp?path=e/esddsp -> see this |
| 22:49.00 | creature | xand: Thanks for the help. |
| 22:49.02 | pepse | karmatronic: was that not meant for me? :) |
| 22:49.02 | karmatronic | omri: cat /dev/dsp | mplayer -ao esd your_client |
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| 22:49.15 | xand | :) |
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| 22:49.19 | omri | nah, won't work |
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| 22:49.22 | omri | you can't cat /dev/dsp |
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| 22:49.49 | penguin | I dont think bio boot order will matter much |
| 22:49.52 | hermogenes | en1gma: you want to install debian on the ide and keep windows on the raid one, right? |
| 22:50.23 | omri | there's no esddsp for debian? :\ |
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| 22:51.21 | penguin | The bios will just skip HDDs with no bootable MBR |
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| 22:51.33 | anapivirtua | Hi \ Ola \ Bonjour |
| 22:51.36 | pepse | karmatronic: does your ez-ipupdate complain with a warning about address? |
| 22:51.55 | jelly-home | omri: sure there is |
| 22:52.00 | karmatronic | omri , sox -t ossdsp -c 2 -r 44100 -w -s /dev/dsp -t wav | mplayer -ao esd the_client |
| 22:52.09 | karmatronic | pepse: no |
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| 22:52.22 | jelly-home | !info esound-clients stable |
| 22:52.24 | dpkg | esound-clients: (Enlightened Sound Daemon - clients), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.2.36-3 (etch), Packaged size: 34 kB, Installed size: 124 kB |
| 22:52.42 | pepse | karmatronic: what version are you using? |
| 22:52.42 | omri | sec sec |
| 22:52.42 | jelly-home | omri: that package there ^^ |
| 22:52.56 | omri | thanks |
| 22:53.11 | karmatronic | pepse: 3.0.11b8-11.1 |
| 22:53.39 | pepse | that's what i've got |
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| 22:54.28 | omri | oh, I should launch gnome with esddsp |
| 22:54.33 | omri | then it'll work, I guess |
| 22:54.47 | pepse | karmatronic: warning: for GNUDIP the "address" parameter is only used if set to "0.0.0.0" thus making an offline request |
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| 22:54.50 | omri | yup, that's the solution probably |
| 22:54.53 | omri | lets see... |
| 22:55.23 | pepse | May 10 15:49:12 clamps ez-ipupdate[15619]: invalid login attempt |
| 22:55.24 | pepse | May 10 15:49:12 clamps ez-ipupdate[15619]: failed to update eth0->192.168.0.2 |
| 22:55.28 | omri | that's a little problematic; I'm executing X remotely and each client will have a different IP; any idea? |
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| 22:55.52 | omri | s/executing/accessing/ |
| 22:55.56 | Muisje | set a password? |
| 22:56.46 | cheshire314 | h3sp4wn: thank you veeery much! it worked! (i tried to reach you in a room but it seems you can't hear me) |
| 22:56.52 | omri | ok, I can get the IP from the DISPLAY environment variable, now I have to figure out how to execute gnome with esddsp |
| 22:57.16 | h3sp4wn | cheshire314: np |
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| 22:58.33 | omri | how XDM executes the X session? |
| 22:58.57 | karmatronic | omri: oh i found something really cool about your problem |
| 22:59.12 | omri | cooler than esddsp? :) |
| 22:59.31 | Vasistha | omri: that's a pretty complicated process that I don't know the answer to. But perhaps you need to make use of ~/.xsession ? Have you read about dotfiles? |
| 22:59.34 | omri | I just need to get gnome to be executed with esddsp; I have everything else figured out |
| 22:59.47 | omri | I know what dotfiles are :) |
| 22:59.53 | omri | I think XDM works a little different |
| 22:59.55 | Vasistha | !dotfiles |
| 22:59.55 | dpkg | hmm... dotfiles is http://wiki.debian.org/DotFiles |
| 23:00.16 | omri | I'll check that again |
| 23:00.31 | Vasistha | omri: the .xsession section in particular may be of interest |
| 23:00.41 | karmatronic | omri: launch esd on the client with tcp option |
| 23:00.54 | omri | karmatronic, already running |
| 23:01.35 | karmatronic | omri: then on the server , launch also esd |
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| 23:01.47 | karmatronic | omri: and then esdmon | esdcat -s your_client |
| 23:02.35 | omri | karmatronic, what will happen when there are more than 1 client? |
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| 23:03.32 | karmatronic | omri: maybe you can launch last command several times and have the sound on the server sent to several clients |
| 23:03.46 | chovy | can someone help me debug a cpan install problem I'm having? It complains that xml2 is not found, although it is installed and is in my path. |
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| 23:03.55 | chovy | dh-make-perl --install --cpan XML::LibXML |
| 23:03.58 | omri | I think this will be problematic |
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| 23:05.30 | omri | does VNC forward sounds? |
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| 23:05.41 | omri | and is it slower than remote X client? |
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| 23:05.54 | xand | omri: no, and varies |
| 23:06.03 | chovy | omri: i think it can. |
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| 23:06.19 | spheard | hey, how can I check network I/O |
| 23:06.21 | omri | I guess I have to use a sound server then :\ |
| 23:06.34 | omri | spheard, there are lots of tools; I personally like iptraf |
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| 23:07.44 | pepse | karmatronic: can i see your ez-ipupdate.conf without your user/pass? :) |
| 23:07.46 | karmatronic | omri: vnc cant forward sound ! |
| 23:07.49 | cblack0 | spheard, many ways depending on what you want to check |
| 23:08.01 | omri | RDP can; damn you microsoft |
| 23:08.03 | cblack0 | spheard, netstat, tcpdump, wireshark, mrtg, ntop, etc |
| 23:08.07 | chovy | karmatronic: i seem to remember tightvnc supporting sound. |
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| 23:08.13 | spheard | Im migrating virtual machines |
| 23:08.24 | karmatronic | pepse: service-type=dyndns |
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| 23:08.38 | karmatronic | pepse: user=your_user:your_password |
| 23:09.23 | karmatronic | pepse: host=love.dyndns.org |
| 23:09.23 | karmatronic | pepse: and that s it |
| 23:09.25 | pepse | karmatronic: so you have no interface=? |
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| 23:10.49 | pepse | i'm trying to run it from commandline and it just keeps giving invalid login |
| 23:11.01 | pepse | ez-ipupdate Version 3.0.11b8 |
| 23:11.02 | pepse | Copyright (C) 1998-2001 Angus Mackay |
| 23:11.02 | pepse | solemnwarning: for GNUDIP the "address" parameter is only used if set to "0.0.0.0" thus making an offline request |
| 23:11.02 | pepse | connected to gnudip2.yi.org (64.15.155.86) on port 3495 |
| 23:11.02 | pepse | invalid login attempt |
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| 23:11.23 | karmatronic | pepse: well it takes eth0 as default i guess |
| 23:11.43 | omri | how I can I redirect stdout and stderr of a script to a file? (when already running, not command > file ...) |
| 23:11.54 | karmatronic | pepse: pastebin relevant part of your conf file |
| 23:12.07 | karmatronic | omri: !tee |
| 23:12.13 | omri | no, not like that |
| 23:12.16 | karmatronic | !tee |
| 23:12.17 | omri | you didn't get me |
| 23:12.30 | omri | lets say I have a script: echo foo; echo bar |
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| 23:13.00 | omri | I want the script to redirect his own stdout to /tmp/test so foo is printed out to the real stdout and bar is redirected to /tmp/test |
| 23:13.04 | omri | something like |
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| 23:13.15 | omri | echo foo; <command_to_redirect_stdout>; echo bar |
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| 23:13.25 | omri | I remember there is a command like this |
| 23:13.29 | pepse | karmatronic: http://paste.debian.net/27671 |
| 23:13.33 | omri | just don't remember what it is ... |
| 23:13.44 | sytimax | can someone tell me how do i add a nic to start at boot that doesnt have a ip adress associated to it? |
| 23:13.56 | lewis2 | how come when I do a 'ls /home/*/Maildir', I get a list of users with Maildir: cur new tmp for each one. I just want a list of /home/user/Maildir for a script, without the extra bit at the end - what am I doing wrong? |
| 23:14.00 | xingu | omri: probably, exec |
| 23:14.02 | cblack0 | sh -c 'echo foo; echo bar;' maybe? |
| 23:14.13 | omri | xingu, how do I use it? |
| 23:14.18 | omri | cblack0, no, not like this |
| 23:14.24 | omri | I think it was exec... |
| 23:14.46 | jelly-home | omri: it is exec |
| 23:15.19 | xingu | omri: see bash "help exec"; but essentially - exec >/tmp/test |
| 23:15.19 | omri | thanks :) |
| 23:15.19 | omri | and exec 2>/tmp/stderr ? |
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| 23:15.19 | xingu | omri: or whatever tickles your fancy. |
| 23:15.29 | omri | thanks alot :) |
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| 23:15.55 | geostigma | hey can i ask a quick question ? |
| 23:16.00 | dvs | no |
| 23:16.02 | dvs | ;-) |
| 23:16.05 | pickcoder | you just did! |
| 23:16.07 | jelly-home | modem |
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| 23:16.10 | geostigma | lol |
| 23:16.25 | karmatronic | pepse: i think the problem is from gnudip , not from the script |
| 23:16.39 | geostigma | im running ubuntu , im new to linux, i dont like ubuntu , it annoys me, what way is debian better than ubuntu??? |
| 23:16.54 | lewis2 | why does ls list the sub directories of Maildir? |
| 23:16.55 | xingu | it's one louder |
| 23:17.01 | pickcoder | what way isn't it? |
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| 23:17.09 | geostigma | no seriously |
| 23:17.13 | geostigma | im a linux newb |
| 23:17.16 | jelly-home | lewis2: why shouldn't it? |
| 23:17.20 | geostigma | so is anyone gona give me an answer? |
| 23:17.25 | Vasistha | geostigma: the discussion is a little off-topic, but what don't you like about ubuntu? debian isn't necessarily going to be any better |
| 23:17.33 | geostigma | well |
| 23:17.36 | jelly-home | geostigma: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 23:17.40 | pickcoder | Ubuntu release stuff more often so the packages are newer.. That also means stuff changes often and things break. |
| 23:17.54 | geostigma | a lot of software i install wont do certain thinks as admin rights arent there an stuff |
| 23:18.07 | karmatronic | geostigma: i think things are better packaged under debian |
| 23:18.14 | pickcoder | I find that Debian is a really stable O/S |
| 23:18.21 | Vasistha | geostigma: things like what? |
| 23:18.25 | geostigma | thanks for the advice anyways |
| 23:18.31 | geostigma | like i installed avg |
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| 23:18.36 | Vasistha | !enter |
| 23:18.36 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. (Remember, the less you annoy us, the more help you're likely to get.) |
| 23:18.37 | geostigma | and it would not let me update it |
| 23:18.44 | karmatronic | geostigma: ansd there s a better documentation |
| 23:19.30 | lewis2 | when I run 'ls /home' - I see a list of each home, if I run 'ls /home/*/Maildir', I get a list of users with a Maildir, but also Maildir: cur new tmp for each one |
| 23:19.30 | geostigma | is it a responsive os? |
| 23:19.30 | lewis2 | I just want a list of users with a Maildir |
| 23:19.30 | omri | exec 2>/tmp/stderr hangs; why? :\ |
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| 23:19.31 | Vasistha | lewis2: ls -d |
| 23:19.31 | lewis2 | in the form: /home/user1/Maildir, /home/user5/Maildir, etc - is this possible? |
| 23:19.31 | jelly-home | lewis2: try adding -d |
| 23:19.31 | lewis2 | ah |
| 23:19.31 | karmatronic | geostigma: ther e s a lot of ubuntu manuals but there all about setting your wifi card or sound card |
| 23:19.33 | pepse | ubuntu and debian aren't different OSes :) |
| 23:19.36 | geostigma | lol i noticed |
| 23:19.40 | lewis2 | genius! |
| 23:19.58 | geostigma | has anyone used fedora core? |
| 23:20.11 | karmatronic | geostigma: fc sucks |
| 23:20.12 | jelly-home | geostigma: try #fedora |
| 23:20.21 | geostigma | i did |
| 23:20.29 | dvs | geostigma: they didn't use it? |
| 23:20.37 | geostigma | ther all idiots in there |
| 23:20.42 | pepse | bingo :) |
| 23:20.47 | geostigma | like wouldnt answer me |
| 23:20.56 | Vasistha | geostigma: well, we're probably all idiots in here, too. |
| 23:20.59 | karmatronic | geostigma: we are idiots too and we re not answering you see |
| 23:21.07 | jelly-home | I'm not |
| 23:21.10 | jelly-home | <g> |
| 23:21.16 | geostigma | people are answering lol |
| 23:21.24 | jelly-home | no we're not |
| 23:21.26 | Vasistha | jelly-home: I'm still wondering what kind of jelly you are, though! |
| 23:21.28 | xingu | but are they telling the truth? |
| 23:21.29 | maddash | goddamnit! `cpufreq-info` hangs at "analyzing cpu 0:" |
| 23:21.41 | jelly-home | Vasistha: you'll have to come here to find out! |
| 23:21.51 | geostigma | well i think i will go download debian and try it now |
| 23:21.55 | dvs | ewwwwwwww |
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| 23:22.15 | Vasistha | geostigma: net install cd is the one you want; good luck |
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| 23:23.03 | claudio` | hola |
| 23:23.33 | sphear1 | hi, sorry my irc client died |
| 23:23.46 | sphear1 | can someone give me that list of network monitors agin? |
| 23:24.04 | itchi | If i put a dvd burner in a computer. Should i need to do somethings to get the /dev/dvd device? |
| 23:24.04 | karmatronic | sphear1: nessus and nagios |
| 23:24.13 | karmatronic | s/nessus/snort |
| 23:24.20 | Vasistha | geostigma: btw, if you expect to get an answer to your question, within 5 minutes of the first time you ask it -- you are expecting a lot for *any* channel. You got lucky here, today. |
| 23:24.32 | geostigma | i know |
| 23:24.36 | geostigma | thanks guys anyhow |
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| 23:24.44 | lewis2 | I have a list of entries with '/foo/bar/var1/foofoo/var2/barbar'. I want to use awk to change the list to solely a list of var2. How do I do this? |
| 23:24.54 | sphear1 | oh balls, it wants the CD |
| 23:24.56 | Vasistha | sphear1: you don't have a log?? |
| 23:25.00 | karmatronic | itchi: if it doesnt , you should check dmesg and update /etc/fstab |
| 23:25.15 | sphear1 | Vasistha: I want to see it live |
| 23:25.21 | Vasistha | [16:07] <cblack0> spheard, netstat, tcpdump, wireshark, mrtg, ntop, etc |
| 23:25.27 | geostigma | why do i need net install cd? |
| 23:25.32 | geostigma | not the 3 dvd version? |
| 23:25.40 | sphear1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:25.49 | Vasistha | geostigma: you're only going to install on one computer, correct? |
| 23:25.52 | karmatronic | geostigma: net install does the same ,and without any burning |
| 23:25.57 | itchi | karmatronic: dmesg tell me that it is loaded. I have look on another computer where the DVD RW work and have compared the /etc/fstab file. But it's the same |
| 23:26.01 | geostigma | ahh |
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| 23:26.23 | lewis2 | should I use '/' as the field separator, then extract the sixth field? |
| 23:26.37 | Vasistha | geostigma: there's no point in downloading 5 GB of software, when you're only going to use maybe 10% of it. Better to use the net install, which will only download the software that you want |
| 23:26.41 | karmatronic | under which device does the /dev/hd* representing you dvd appear in dmesg ? |
| 23:26.46 | geostigma | kk |
| 23:26.57 | geostigma | ty |
| 23:26.58 | geostigma | bye |
| 23:27.09 | itchi | karmatronic: hdc |
| 23:27.15 | Vasistha | lewis2: try #awk |
| 23:27.36 | lewis2 | okies |
| 23:27.50 | cheshire314 | hey guys, how can i know what packages depend on a specific one? |
| 23:28.04 | Vasistha | cheshire314: apt-rdpends may be useful to you |
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| 23:28.18 | pepse | aptitude tells you, doesn't it? |
| 23:28.22 | pepse | or apt-cache |
| 23:28.25 | Vasistha | cheshire314: erm, apt-rdepends, that is. you can install the package by that name |
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| 23:28.32 | jelly-home | cheshire314: apt-cache showpkg |
| 23:28.40 | lewis2 | :) |
| 23:28.47 | simonrvn | s,sudo,pseudo, |
| 23:28.53 | pepse | yeah, showpkg |
| 23:28.58 | sudo_maddash | simonrvn: :P |
| 23:29.02 | simonrvn | teehee |
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| 23:29.16 | karmatronic | lewis2: awk -F/ '{ print $5}' |
| 23:29.24 | embrace | hi all...does anyone know how to use 'echo' command in bash to write the beginning of a file and not the end? |
| 23:29.43 | jelly-home | karmatronic: $6, yes |
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| 23:30.00 | pepse | embrace: i don't think you can do that just with 'echo' |
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| 23:30.05 | Vasistha | embrace: I don't believe it's possible. You could ask #bash where people will probably tell you the same thing |
| 23:30.30 | sudo_maddash | embrace: no. but this is a hack: `cat [string] | dd of =[file]` |
| 23:30.48 | sudo_maddash | embrace: no. but this is a hack: `cat [string] | dd of=[file]` <--- no spaces in the equal sign |
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| 23:31.01 | jelly-home | or even {echo foo; cat file} > other-file |
| 23:31.04 | Vasistha | !uuoc |
| 23:31.04 | dpkg | UUOC is the Useless Use of Cat Award. Given out for years by Randal Schwartz on the newsgroup comp.unix.shell. Basically, most constructions that look like "cat filename | grep pattern" can be more easily written as "grep pattern filename". Works for grep and most other Unix utilities. Easier to type and marginally more efficient. |
| 23:31.10 | pepse | you can do it with sed, innit |
| 23:31.16 | sudo_maddash | Vasistha: it's not useless. |
| 23:31.20 | jelly-home | pepse: that's not fun! |
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| 23:31.31 | pepse | :) |
| 23:31.32 | Vasistha | sudo_maddash: dd <input |
| 23:31.34 | embrace | thank guys i'll try |
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| 23:31.43 | sudo_maddash | Vasistha: it is useless. |
| 23:31.48 | cheshire314 | you guys drive me crazy: you do know everything, and you're so quick. "apt-cache showpkg" did the work, anyway i was wondering why i'm allowed to remove a package (locales) while its reverse dependencies are still present (e.g. mutt) |
| 23:31.48 | Vasistha | :) |
| 23:31.56 | jelly-home | !uuuoc Vasistha |
| 23:32.12 | Vasistha | haha |
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| 23:32.48 | jelly-home | cheshire314: if you take a look at mutt, you'll see it only Recommends: locales |
| 23:34.18 | Vasistha | cheshire314: that's the trouble with apt-cache showpkg: it doesn't differentiate between vital dependencies, recommends and suggests. That's why I started using apt-rdepends |
| 23:34.57 | cheshire314 | jelly-home and Vasistha: i see... that's good |
| 23:36.03 | xarquid | does something need to be reloaded after visudo (editing /etc/sudoers) takes places? |
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| 23:37.23 | omri | how come the gnome processes don't have a parent? (ps auxf shows this) |
| 23:37.24 | DawnLight | is there any chance that i need Kernel support for a.out and ECOFF binaries? |
| 23:37.35 | omri | hey DawnLight |
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| 23:37.42 | DawnLight | hey hey |
| 23:37.49 | jelly-home | DawnLight: no |
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| 23:38.03 | cheshire314 | jelly-home and Vasistha: i tried apt-rdepends either. that's good. now i'm going to sleep, i learned a lot of things, good night |
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| 23:38.09 | diskus | DawnLight: if you have to ask, then probably no |
| 23:38.18 | DawnLight | thought so |
| 23:38.21 | Vasistha | either =? too |
| 23:38.55 | DawnLight | omri: what do you say about this weather? |
| 23:39.05 | omri | hot; too hot. |
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| 23:39.27 | Vasistha | now you've got it, huh? we had the hot weather on mon/tues |
| 23:40.29 | omri | we're having it like a week now |
| 23:40.31 | omri | so damn hot |
| 23:40.40 | omri | and the most annoying thing is that I got a cold |
| 23:41.03 | omri | I slept with two fans on |
| 23:41.04 | rox | could the message "SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such device" for a network device on ifup mean anything other then that i don't have the correct driver loaded? |
| 23:41.11 | omri | rox, lspci; is your NIC there? |
| 23:41.25 | rox | omri: it is, it's a USB wireless |
| 23:42.05 | omri | then how could it be on lspci? :P |
| 23:42.05 | pepse | we have a Heat Advisory here |
| 23:42.05 | omri | it should be on lsusb |
| 23:42.05 | rox | omri: it's on lsusb |
| 23:42.05 | pepse | until friday may 11th |
| 23:42.05 | pepse | it's 100F right now |
| 23:42.05 | lewis2 | what does this mean: Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at |
| 23:42.05 | omri | iwconfig -a; do you have wlan0 or so? |
| 23:42.05 | pepse | possibly more |
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| 23:42.07 | rox | omri: indeed |
| 23:42.12 | Vasistha | pepse: yow, where are you?? that sounds awful |
| 23:42.20 | omri | pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:42.30 | pepse | Arizona :) |
| 23:42.32 | DawnLight | the weather tells me things are changing |
| 23:42.49 | Vasistha | pepse: ahha, so this is not too terribly surprising, I suppose. |
| 23:43.07 | omri | DawnLight, did it rain in kfar saba? |
| 23:43.08 | Vasistha | lewis2: depends on the context. what did you do to trigger such a message? |
| 23:43.10 | lewis2 | open (HOME,"ls -d /home/datastore/*/user/*/Maildir | grep web | awk -F '/' '{print $6}'|"); |
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| 23:43.37 | lewis2 | the command within the quotes on its own runs fine |
| 23:43.45 | rox | omri: http://rafb.net/p/LI40kD71.html |
| 23:43.49 | pepse | Vasistha: na :/ but i'm not from here, and even after 20 years I'm still not used to this heat |
| 23:44.09 | Vasistha | lewis2: I don't think open (a,b) is proper syntax |
| 23:44.11 | omri | rox, ifconfig -a; do you have eth0 eth1 eth2 ? |
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| 23:44.19 | omri | oh, nvm |
| 23:44.29 | omri | the message you're getting is because you don't have wlan0 on your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:44.31 | rox | omri: yes |
| 23:44.34 | omri | ifup configures it from there |
| 23:44.43 | lewis2 | that has worked before, I have just changed the command within the "" |
| 23:44.49 | omri | I think this message occures because you don't have it there |
| 23:44.55 | omri | (or maybe wlans are not listed there?) |
| 23:44.55 | lewis2 | oh |
| 23:44.56 | rox | omri: i got the message with wlan0 too, i renamed wlan0 to eth2 in udev |
| 23:45.12 | omri | hmm... try not renaming it |
| 23:45.17 | rox | omri: i did |
| 23:45.22 | omri | maybe the ifup script uses iwconfig when it's wlanX |
| 23:45.24 | Vasistha | lewis2: hum, okay -- I assume this is c code or something, not bash. Maybe the trouble is that pipe at the end? |
| 23:45.40 | omri | well, try configuring it manually |
| 23:45.42 | DawnLight | it rained slightly, drops of "can't stay like this forever" |
| 23:45.44 | omri | with iwconfig |
| 23:46.06 | lewis2 | it is something to do with the awk statement |
| 23:46.08 | omri | DawnLight, how annoying is that? it's like 35 deg. and it's raining |
| 23:46.43 | anothervisitor | How do I start using an unformatted cd? I have tried fdisk and it gives me a message telling me that I will not be able to write to the disc. |
| 23:46.58 | rox | omri: how di i give it an IP then? |
| 23:47.05 | omri | what does fdisk have to do with CDs? |
| 23:47.10 | rox | s/di/do/ |
| 23:47.11 | Vasistha | lewis2: the awk looks fine to me, but it's odd that you have that hanging pipe at the end |
| 23:47.15 | anothervisitor | using 3.1 partly upgraded to 4.0 |
| 23:47.39 | omri | rox, I'm not familiar with wlans. read the man page or the wireless howto |
| 23:48.02 | lewis2 | simplifying the awk statement to: awk '{print $6}' still has the error, taking it away removes the error. taking the pipe away doesn't help. |
| 23:48.08 | mystic_source | you shure the ati drivers work in debian? |
| 23:48.12 | DawnLight | omri: i don't know why everyone is annoyed by this. i just feel at home when its like this :) |
| 23:48.14 | mystic_source | the direct rendering |
| 23:48.14 | anothervisitor | I was told to initialize cd's with fdisk. as odd as it sounded I tried it |
| 23:48.15 | mystic_source | ? |
| 23:48.16 | Vasistha | anothervisitor: why have you only partially upgraded? That doesn't sound like a very stable system; I wouldn't be surprised if all sorts of unexpected problems popped up |
| 23:48.23 | rox | omri: did so before i came bugging people in this channel. Thank you for your help anyway. |
| 23:48.32 | omri | sorry... |
| 23:48.39 | omri | probably someone else has wireless experience |
| 23:48.42 | anothervisitor | I can access a pre-formatted cd |
| 23:48.50 | Vasistha | !enter |
| 23:48.50 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. (Remember, the less you annoy us, the more help you're likely to get.) |
| 23:48.52 | lewis2 | should I be escaping the '? |
| 23:49.06 | omri | anothervisitor; I think someone pulled a joke on you :P |
| 23:49.22 | omri | fdisk doesn't have anything to do with CDROMs |
| 23:49.35 | anothervisitor | you can't believe how hard I'm laughing |
| 23:49.48 | omri | heh |
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| 23:50.07 | omri | next time they'll tell you to fdisk your sister instead of beating her up for eating your food |
| 23:50.18 | omri | fdisk /dev/pizza :P |
| 23:50.23 | anothervisitor | or maybe they didn't know any better...in any sense you want to take that |
| 23:50.38 | DawnLight | rox: perhaps i can help? |
| 23:50.40 | omri | fdisk /dev/pizza -> slice it up |
| 23:50.54 | rox | DawnLight: i would be delighted if you could :-) |
| 23:51.03 | anothervisitor | I would rather send my sis to /dev/null |
| 23:51.15 | Heston | fsck /dev/anothervistitor/sister |
| 23:51.17 | DawnLight | i'd be happy to - whats the problem, rox? |
| 23:51.34 | omri | I'm still laughing for rm -rf /bin/laden |
| 23:51.42 | DawnLight | lol |
| 23:51.56 | DawnLight | OS=ama |
| 23:52.04 | wintix | heh. |
| 23:52.07 | rox | DawnLight: here is the situation: i have a crap asus wireless nic, driver is rt73usb udev reckognizes it, but i can't bring ip up |
| 23:52.25 | claudio` | brb |
| 23:52.27 | DawnLight | rox: where is the driver from? |
| 23:52.43 | rox | DawnLight: trying to bring it up always gives me SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such device |
| 23:52.43 | wintix | rox: does iwconfig show the card? |
| 23:52.50 | anothervisitor | or /bin/laden with crap |
| 23:52.53 | rox | DawnLight: driver is fromdebian repository |
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| 23:53.00 | omri | wintix, scroll up, we've been there |
| 23:53.03 | rox | DawnLight: i got it with module-helper |
| 23:53.24 | rox | DawnLight: module-assistant that is |
| 23:53.30 | DawnLight | rox: you can try using the windowsxp driver with ndiswrapper and see if it works |
| 23:54.07 | rox | DawnLight: you think it's the driver? |
| 23:54.08 | anothervisitor | now, how do I get my cd working> |
| 23:54.10 | anothervisitor | ? |
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| 23:54.25 | omri | anothervisitor, what are you trying to do? read it? |
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| 23:54.43 | rox | DawnLight: ok, i'll try that, it never crossed my mind so far :P thank you for the suggestion |
| 23:54.53 | anothervisitor | initialize it - I can read one that is started |
| 23:55.05 | DawnLight | rox: would be nice to rule it out. it could be. many drivers are reverse angineered |
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| 23:55.23 | anothervisitor | it is new, unformatted, etc |
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| 23:55.37 | DawnLight | and asus are not so open sourced, rox... |
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| 23:56.16 | DawnLight | rox:don't forget to remove the current driver |
| 23:56.21 | rox | DawnLight: sure |
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| 23:57.06 | diclophis-work | hello all |
| 23:57.22 | diclophis-work | how would i take the output of 2 commands, and put into into 1 spot |
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| 23:57.30 | diclophis-work | ideally i would like this to happen in one terminal |
| 23:57.32 | omri | command1 > file |
| 23:57.36 | omri | command2 >> file |
| 23:57.38 | nn-main | The following packages have unmet dependencies. |
| 23:57.38 | nn-main | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:57.48 | diclophis-work | omri: yea, but i need to terms for that |
| 23:57.56 | diclophis-work | oir i could do command1 > file & |
| 23:58.03 | diclophis-work | but then i couldnt terminate the whole shebang at once |
| 23:58.06 | Vasistha | nn-main: perhaps with aptitude -f or apt-get -f |
| 23:58.45 | Vasistha | diclophis-work: what have you got so far that's not working? |
| 23:58.48 | nn-main | Vasistha: that is what the error is from |
| 23:59.10 | *** mode/#debian [+l 732] by debhelper |
| 23:59.11 | nn-main | there is no xlibs package |
| 23:59.12 | diclophis-work | Vasistha: i have 2 windows (two ssh connections, to 2 diff. machines) tail -f /var/log/file |
| 23:59.13 | rox | diclophis-work: try like this -> connamd > file && command2 >> file |
| 23:59.15 | wintix | nn-main: how did you get there? |
| 23:59.20 | diclophis-work | i want to be able to watch that in one swoop |
| 23:59.23 | rox | diclophis-work: try like this -> command > file && command2 >> file |
| 23:59.28 | Vasistha | nn-main: maybe you need to check your sources.list and do an update. |
| 23:59.40 | diclophis-work | rox: yea but then if i hit ctrl-c, it wont kill the first command |
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| 23:59.50 | nn-main | Vasistha: it isnt there |
| 23:59.57 | nn-main | where do i get it |
