| 00:00.04 | Vasistha | !sources.list |
| 00:00.04 | dpkg | it has been said that sources.list is something like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free" where cc is your country code. see <mirrors>, /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list. also see <etch security> |
| 00:00.06 | rox | diclophis-work: ming the double ampersand |
| 00:00.25 | inflex | hi there, I'm trying to compile some C programs in Debian etch but I'm missing all the linux headers / libc headers ... I've installed 'gcc' and 'make' etc - but is there perhaps a 'complete' dev package that I need to install? |
| 00:00.25 | wintix | diclophis-work: command1 && command2 runs command2 only if command1 returns no error. |
| 00:00.25 | rox | diclophis-work: it will run the commands consecutively |
| 00:00.31 | Vasistha | inflex: install build-essential |
| 00:00.36 | inflex | thankyou Vasistha |
| 00:00.49 | rox | diclophis-work: and it willnot run command2 at all if command1 fails |
| 00:01.14 | DawnLight | is there any reason i would want to compile my desktop kernel with IPv6? |
| 00:01.15 | rox | diclophis-work: or you really need to have them run concurrently? |
| 00:01.16 | Vasistha | diclophis-work: well, you can kill the first with kill %1 |
| 00:01.27 | diclophis-work | ming? |
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| 00:01.41 | Vasistha | diclophis-work: help jobs, help fg, help bg |
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| 00:02.00 | rox | diclophis-work: mind |
| 00:02.21 | spheard | heh, that took me a moment to work out, I was getting loads of traffic over ssh between my client machine and my server. |
| 00:03.05 | spheard | who'd think all those spinning numbers could generate so much traffic |
| 00:03.20 | diclophis-work | what about screen |
| 00:03.31 | wintix | spheard: and cpu load :) |
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| 00:04.54 | rox | diclophis-work: what is it exactly you are trying to do? |
| 00:05.38 | mystic_source | you shure the debian tuturials to install ati drivers are correct?! |
| 00:05.40 | diclophis-work | take the output of tail -f /var/log/file (on two machines) and view it in 1 window on a third machine |
| 00:05.54 | Vasistha | KABOOM! aspell doesn't like the spelling, 'shure'. A few suggestions: shire, share, shore, shirr, shrew, Sheree, Sherie, [...] |
| 00:05.56 | spheard | wintix: I was looking at that for too long, maybe time for bed |
| 00:06.04 | Vasistha | hehe, it doesn't even recommend 'sure' |
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| 00:06.22 | mystic_source | lol thta why many users don`t use linux lol |
| 00:06.29 | jelly-home | Vasistha: shure as hell it doesn't |
| 00:06.56 | DawnLight | no, you have to use linux to be called a user |
| 00:07.24 | DawnLight | otherwise, you're just a... |
| 00:07.25 | Vasistha | oh ... it does recommend it ... my script just chops it off. Sheree, Sherie, sharer, sure, Sheri, Chere, [...] |
| 00:07.48 | spheard | linux users are jedi, adrift in a sea of slightly ambiguous howto's |
| 00:07.48 | sn0 | mystic_source after installing fgrlx package it documents it in /usr/share/doc/fglrx*/README.Debian |
| 00:07.53 | rox | diclophis-work: i think this would require some ssh/netcat wizardry |
| 00:07.57 | anothervisitor | what f I only use part of it? |
| 00:08.02 | sn0 | i believe the latest envy script works for debian etch now |
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| 00:08.07 | diclophis-work | surely its possible |
| 00:08.09 | Dewi | man, for a system almost totally without games, we sure care about 3d a lot |
| 00:08.32 | wintix | mystic_source: did you try the fglrx one-liner ? |
| 00:08.46 | spheard | Dewi, I got through god knows how many installs just to play that tux slidy game |
| 00:09.02 | wintix | mystic_source: /msg dpkg fglrx one-liner |
| 00:09.40 | diclophis-work | what about cat |
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| 00:09.42 | DawnLight | is there any reason i would want to compile my desktop kernel with IPv6? |
| 00:09.47 | diclophis-work | where the inputs are backticked cmds |
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| 00:10.10 | sn0 | DawnLight if you use ipv6 yes :) |
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| 00:10.54 | jelly-home | !tell DawnLight -about repeat |
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| 00:11.10 | gpm | jelly-home: you don't need -about, about will suffice |
| 00:11.15 | mystic_source | wintix yes i try allmost everything i really don`t know what is going on here |
| 00:11.16 | Dewi | spheard: I'm not some kind of anti-game snob... I'm just resigned to booting into windows to do it. I guess now that vista is out though, beryll would be a cool thing to have working well |
| 00:11.27 | jelly-home | gpm: I don't want it to tell me too |
| 00:11.31 | Vasistha | gpm: -about is less annoying than about |
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| 00:11.34 | gpm | whoa |
| 00:11.36 | en1gma | sup all |
| 00:11.37 | gpm | you guys |
| 00:11.40 | rox | DawnLight: only if you like looking at the disconfigured sit0 interface all the time when you'r configuring network |
| 00:11.48 | gpm | good to kno |
| 00:11.51 | gpm | w |
| 00:12.10 | Vasistha | gpm: I use both -- I use 'about' when I'm not absolutely certain what the factoid says |
| 00:12.22 | gpm | haha |
| 00:12.29 | gpm | why not just /msg dpkg before using !tell |
| 00:12.30 | gpm | ? |
| 00:12.38 | Vasistha | gpm: sometimes I do that, too |
| 00:12.53 | gpm | that seems like it would be less likely to confuse the helpee |
| 00:13.08 | wintix | what's the difference between -about and about? |
| 00:13.12 | gpm | lol |
| 00:13.16 | DawnLight | thanks sn0, ox |
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| 00:13.41 | en1gma | i just installed debian and have a couple questions...im pretty much at default settings....i noticed it boots in gnome...should have at least been a way to pick KDE if i wanted it.....anyhow. when i use synaptic to get something off net it keeps asking for the the install dvd....how do i get it to stop doing that AND do i need to do something similar to 'apt-get update' with synaptic |
| 00:13.45 | gpm | wintix: are you serious? |
| 00:14.03 | jelly-home | wintix: that's just what was discussed |
| 00:14.05 | mystic_source | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:14.07 | mystic_source | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:14.11 | mystic_source | ermm |
| 00:14.19 | gpm | lose the space before /msg |
| 00:14.20 | mystic_source | sorry |
| 00:14.30 | sn0 | en1gma edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and comment out the dvd line |
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| 00:14.40 | sn0 | to 'update' in synaptic you click the reload button |
| 00:14.51 | en1gma | sn0 thanks very much |
| 00:15.00 | maddash | what's wrong with aptitude? |
| 00:15.04 | sn0 | as for installing kde, search for it in synaptic, then choose it when logging in at gnome session > |
| 00:15.09 | jelly-home | maddash: it works! |
| 00:15.13 | wintix | jelly-home, gpm: well yes. about and -about will do the same thing. but since Vasistha pointed out that he uses about only if he isn't sure what the factoid actually says i was wondering if there is a difference to -about, since i always use about. |
| 00:15.34 | jelly-home | wintix: -about doesn't tell you (the invoked) the contents |
| 00:15.34 | maddash | jelly-home: so why bother with synaptic? |
| 00:15.36 | gpm | -about doesn't tell you what the factoid says |
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| 00:15.44 | jelly-home | maddash: GUI! |
| 00:15.48 | gpm | about tells you "told so-and-so <the factoid>" |
| 00:15.51 | gpm | -about doesn't |
| 00:15.52 | gpm | cleaR? |
| 00:16.08 | maddash | jelly-home: er, isn't aptitude's ncurses interface a GUI? |
| 00:16.20 | jelly-home | maddash: I don't see any graphics |
| 00:16.21 | wintix | gpm: no need to be rude. clear? |
| 00:16.24 | wintix | jelly-home: tanks. |
| 00:16.24 | maddash | jelly-home: oh, nvm...it has to be a gtk gui. heh. |
| 00:16.27 | Dewi | maddash: I consider it to be, but most people go blank when I talk like that |
| 00:16.35 | gpm | wintix: i'm not trying to be rude, it was an honest question. |
| 00:16.37 | Dewi | jelly-home: I see lines all over, and windows |
| 00:16.46 | jelly-home | Dewi: I must be blind |
| 00:16.46 | Dewi | jelly-home: except when I mess up my unicode configuration :P |
| 00:16.57 | en1gma | it goes "stable" && "unstable"" && "testing" right? i just installed the stable i believe....is there somehting i need to add to the repositories so i can get unstable? |
| 00:17.00 | wintix | gpm: oh. sorry then :) yes, it's clear, now. |
| 00:17.08 | gpm | wintix: what was sorta borderline rude was when i asked you if you were serious |
| 00:17.14 | mystic_source | sn0 wintix just give me errors when try to compile the source ... |
| 00:17.18 | amphi | maddash: did you sort out your patch yet? |
| 00:17.21 | jelly-home | Dewi: I don't call mutt or slrn GUI apps either |
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| 00:17.27 | anothervisitor | thanks for all the help...I'm still laughing |
| 00:17.29 | sytimax | am about to pay someone to help me |
| 00:17.29 | sn0 | mystic_source compiling what from source? |
| 00:17.35 | en1gma | and "contrib non-free" do i add those to the lines that are in repositores already? |
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| 00:17.42 | maddash | Dewi: haha. mrxvt makes aptitude diseased. |
| 00:17.42 | mystic_source | sn0 compile the module |
| 00:17.47 | mystic_source | to the kernel |
| 00:17.47 | wintix | gpm: i thought you were trying to make fun of me. but nevermind. thank you for your explanation. |
| 00:17.58 | Dewi | jelly-home: as somebody who rarely uses X-windows and loves screen, they are the best kind :) |
| 00:18.05 | sn0 | en1gma non-free contrib are useful for non main packages, you can add it to the end of the deb line |
| 00:18.11 | Dewi | jelly-home: although aptitude doesn't seem to support my mouse |
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| 00:18.16 | gpm | wintix: no, i'm not mean like that. |
| 00:18.31 | en1gma | k |
| 00:18.38 | sn0 | im not sure why you are compiling the module mystic_source , there are debian packages for fglrx |
| 00:18.47 | en1gma | non-free will show nvidias binary drivers? |
| 00:18.51 | maddash | amphi: no. I know nothing about how speedstep-centrino or the rest of the kernel works, so I'm basically stuck with dynticks XOR undervolting. |
| 00:18.54 | gpm | man, mystic_source has been at this all day |
| 00:19.07 | gpm | on a more pathetic note, i've been in here all day |
| 00:19.10 | sn0 | en1gma indeed |
| 00:19.13 | en1gma | sweet |
| 00:19.20 | en1gma | ok got the ball rolling...thanks |
| 00:19.35 | sn0 | np |
| 00:19.40 | mystic_source | sn0 i'm been here for weeks loll |
| 00:19.59 | jelly-home | mystic_source: wow, are you using a catether? |
| 00:20.05 | sn0 | O_o |
| 00:20.30 | mystic_source | sn0 that something i never can do it whith debian don`r know why |
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| 00:20.56 | mystic_source | ok forget it thanks i give up |
| 00:21.06 | sn0 | never give up :) |
| 00:21.08 | sn0 | else it wont work |
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| 00:21.16 | en1gma | sri0 you said add it to the end of the "deb" line...are you talking every repository listed in synaptic that has the url with debian in it? |
| 00:21.16 | sn0 | what do you want to achieve |
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| 00:21.27 | DawnLight | aaaaah! wikipedia is driving me crazy with all those IEEEEEEEEEs. do i want ANSI/IEEE 802.2 LLC type 2 Support in my desktop? |
| 00:21.34 | mystic_source | sn0 i'm here for mouths try to make direct rendeirng working here |
| 00:21.51 | menace | 802.2 is ethernet afaik .. |
| 00:21.54 | DawnLight | are we talking about fglrx? |
| 00:21.56 | mystic_source | allays 1 or 2 days ofthe weeks i came here try it again i give up for today |
| 00:21.58 | en1gma | sri0 = sn0 |
| 00:22.00 | sn0 | en1gma for me its deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free and deb-src http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free |
| 00:22.02 | mystic_source | when the winds want to came that they came |
| 00:22.11 | sn0 | if you installed 4.0 then yours will be 'etch' instead of sid |
| 00:22.15 | en1gma | ok thanks |
| 00:22.18 | sudo_maddash | [sigh] network problems. |
| 00:22.21 | mystic_source | when the fish wants to came i give up |
| 00:22.26 | en1gma | i would prefer sid |
| 00:22.31 | menace | is debian java now changed to the new free java? atm it's a specific debian distribution.. |
| 00:22.35 | sn0 | en1gma well im no expert but if you describe what you have done then its possible to fix :) |
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| 00:22.43 | en1gma | ok |
| 00:22.44 | en1gma | :) |
| 00:22.45 | sn0 | err mystic_source * even sorry |
| 00:22.57 | mystic_source | well thanks anyway :) |
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| 00:24.00 | sn0 | if you want sid en1gma , baring in mind its called unstable for a reason |
| 00:24.16 | sn0 | saying 'it works for me' doesn't mean it wont make your computer explode for you |
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| 00:24.50 | sn0 | i replaced etch with testing in my sources.list, dist-upgraded to testing, reboot, replaced testing with unstable in sources.list and dist-upgraded again |
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| 00:25.10 | Heston | sn0, and all is borked? |
| 00:25.18 | sn0 | all works great :-) |
| 00:25.19 | en1gma | sid dont have security updates does it |
| 00:25.24 | sn0 | it doesn't |
| 00:25.26 | crazybyte | night to all! |
| 00:25.28 | en1gma | k |
| 00:26.10 | sn0 | nvidia-glx did not work for me on sid |
| 00:26.45 | sn0 | had to use patched ones from nvidia.com , a problem with 2.6.20 kernel + some virtualisation module in kernell |
| 00:26.56 | sn0 | -l |
| 00:27.09 | en1gma | im pretty sure i got the repositories done...is there a "dist-upgrade" for synaptic |
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| 00:27.30 | sn0 | don't know of one |
| 00:27.40 | en1gma | ok |
| 00:27.46 | sn0 | i did it logged out in console :) |
| 00:28.10 | en1gma | should i just do an 'apt-get update' then 'apt-get dist-upgrade' ? |
| 00:28.43 | en1gma | probably be a good idea |
| 00:28.48 | en1gma | brb |
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| 00:28.53 | sn0 | aptitude is preferred, but i used apt-get |
| 00:28.59 | sn0 | *boom* |
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| 00:30.33 | smacnay | How do I make my sane scanner usable by me (user) rather than just root? It is a usb scanner. |
| 00:31.09 | sn0 | smacnay check you are added to the scanner group |
| 00:31.29 | smacnay | sn0: I believe I am already.... |
| 00:32.05 | sn0 | are you using devfs? check /etc/devfs/perms that its set to root.group instead of root.root |
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| 00:32.19 | sn0 | as per the man pagee |
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| 00:32.40 | smacnay | sn0: thanks - I will look into that. I am using udev. |
| 00:33.19 | BUMBACL0T | what does "debian-40r0-i386-DVD-3.iso" contain? |
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| 00:33.41 | sn0 | ah there will be a /etc/udev/rules.d/ rules file then maybe smacnay |
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| 00:34.05 | smacnay | sn0: ah, that might explain it - I don't have a /etc/defs/perms file |
| 00:35.01 | sudo_maddash | amphi: care for a screenshot? http://img514.imageshack.us/my.php?image=200705102028401400x1050ap8.png ..note that `uname -r`=2.6.21.1 when that png was created, and the right side rxvt was only launched after the last command on the left side was executed. |
| 00:35.17 | MatBoy | guys is there a way to fill up my RAM with a command so I can check how my Distro is running when it's getting full ? |
| 00:35.20 | sn0 | BUMBACL http://atterer.net/jigdo/jigdo-search.php?list |
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| 00:35.46 | ofir | hi |
| 00:35.56 | BUMBACL0T | sn0, and? |
| 00:35.57 | ofir | I don't want module lp to load |
| 00:36.37 | ofir | how do I make it not to be autoloaded? |
| 00:36.37 | centrx | MatBoy you could write a small C program to do it |
| 00:36.41 | DawnLight | how "experimental" is the linux kernel QoS? should i use it on my desktop? will it make webcams better? |
| 00:36.48 | amerej | doesn't debian use udev rather than devfs ? |
| 00:36.48 | MatBoy | centrx, I have to check on that... I'm not good on C |
| 00:37.11 | sn0 | cllick on the dvd :) BUMBACL0T |
| 00:37.25 | sn0 | 'list contents' |
| 00:37.35 | DawnLight | what is that module ofir? |
| 00:37.38 | BUMBACL0T | so do i need debian-40r0-i386-DVD-3.iso, debian-40r0-i386-DVD-2.iso, and debian-40r0-i386-DVD-1.iso to get etch working? or one dvd will do it? |
| 00:38.16 | ofir | DawnLight: lp |
| 00:38.20 | sn0 | it depends BUMBACL0T , if you have decent internet and don't mind installing packages using the internet, then the first cd is actually fine, the dvd is maybe for people on lower bandwidth or like a local copy |
| 00:38.28 | centrx | ofir edit /etc/modutils/aliases |
| 00:38.32 | amerej | if you got a decent internet connection you dont need to dl all of them |
| 00:38.36 | DawnLight | ofir: what does it do? |
| 00:38.46 | sn0 | if you prefer xfce or kde to gnome, then you can grab the xfce / kde based cd iso too |
| 00:38.54 | amphi | sudo_maddash: hmm, I didn't know about that info thing, I've just used cat |
| 00:39.05 | ofir | DawnLight: it brakes something else, its about printing I think |
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| 00:39.17 | BUMBACL0T | sn0, im not trying to netinstall |
| 00:39.25 | sn0 | the 1 cd is not a net install |
| 00:39.26 | amphi | sudo_maddash: that echo never returned? |
| 00:39.29 | sn0 | its the full desktop system |
| 00:39.44 | sn0 | the 100~ meg iso is a netinstall yes, the desktop cd is a full disk |
| 00:39.45 | ofir | centrx: I don't have that aliases file |
| 00:39.50 | BUMBACL0T | i see |
| 00:39.56 | DawnLight | ofir: if its about printing then you canperhaps uninstall the printing packages if you don't need to print. what does it brake/? |
| 00:40.19 | ofir | DawnLight: vmware printing |
| 00:40.21 | centrx | MatBoy try http://ltp.sourceforge.net/ |
| 00:40.30 | centrx | ofir are you using debian |
| 00:40.42 | ofir | centrx: yes. etch |
| 00:40.47 | sn0 | amerej etch and sarge use udev, woody used devfs |
| 00:41.04 | sn0 | sarge may have been too actually, not sure |
| 00:41.06 | centrx | ofir do you have the modutils package installed? |
| 00:41.09 | DawnLight | oh... then find out what lp is exactly, if it's about printing, you may need it for vmware printing |
| 00:41.40 | centrx | ofir actually nm |
| 00:41.51 | centrx | ofir for 2.6 the file is /etc/modprobe.d/aliases |
| 00:41.52 | ofir | centrx: yes I have the folder /etc/modutils |
| 00:42.14 | ofir | centrx: ah |
| 00:42.18 | ofir | centrx: right |
| 00:42.26 | ofir | centrx: I have that file |
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| 00:42.53 | centrx | ofir so you comment out the line for the module you don't want |
| 00:42.59 | centrx | ofir save that file, then run update-modules |
| 00:43.04 | centrx | then done |
| 00:43.16 | smacnay | sn0: well, I am a member of scanner group and most of the files in udev/rules.d/ shows the permissions as root:scanner. |
| 00:44.31 | ofir | centrx: I don't find lp there |
| 00:44.31 | sn0 | smacnay silly question but have you logged in/out? |
| 00:44.31 | sn0 | not sure if it matters, other than that no ideas |
| 00:44.32 | sudo_maddash | amphi: yep. |
| 00:44.32 | sudo_maddash | amphi: subsequent cats of the op_points_table hang as well. |
| 00:45.09 | centrx | ofir and the module is called "lp" if you do lsmod ? |
| 00:45.38 | centrx | are you sure there is an lp module? |
| 00:45.48 | ofir | centrx: yes |
| 00:45.59 | ofir | centrx: yes |
| 00:46.14 | centrx | what if you do grep -ri lp * while in that directory |
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| 00:47.29 | smacnay | sn0: thanks - I will look into it. |
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| 00:48.20 | ofir | centrex: no output |
| 00:50.00 | centrx | ofir is it listed in /etc/modules.conf ? |
| 00:50.09 | centrx | that is the file used by the boot system |
| 00:50.20 | centrx | the modprobe.d directory is the debian configuration that generates module.conf |
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| 00:50.54 | ofir | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:51.08 | barack | Hi ofir |
| 00:51.11 | ofir | centrx: someone in #vmware had an Idea to blacklist it |
| 00:51.17 | ofir | hi barack |
| 00:51.31 | centrx | modules.conf |
| 00:51.33 | sytimax | can someone tell me how do i add a nic to start at boot that doesnt have a ip adress associated to it? |
| 00:51.34 | centrx | not modprobe.conf |
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| 00:52.20 | skyde | hello |
| 00:52.24 | ofir | centrx: there isnt an /etc/modules.conf |
| 00:52.35 | skyde | can some one say wich of these kernel is smp |
| 00:52.36 | skyde | http://download.openvz.org/kernel/debian/etch/ |
| 00:52.47 | skyde | i have two pentium 500mhz |
| 00:52.52 | sudo_maddash | centrx: man interfaces |
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| 00:55.03 | Dantenix | hi all, has someone worked with axis cameras? |
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| 00:56.06 | ofir | centrx: maybe this lp is built in the kernel? |
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| 00:59.34 | lepton | just upgraded to etch. my wan port used to be eth1, now it's eth3. it doesn't come up at boot time. if I "ifconfig eth3 down; ifup eth3" it's working. what needs to change? |
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| 01:01.25 | Wyzard | lepton: cat /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
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| 01:02.59 | lepton | Wyzard: so I can just map it back to eth1 and be done with it? |
| 01:03.16 | Wyzard | lepton: yeah, just change the name to eth1 |
| 01:03.23 | lepton | thanks |
| 01:03.28 | rox | guys, maybe i'm getting something wrong here. If i configure two static wireless interfaces to the same network (192.168.xxx.), should they simply ping each other? |
| 01:03.33 | Wyzard | lepton: If there's already an eth1 in that file, figure out what interface has that MAC address and decide what you want it to be called if not eth1 |
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| 01:04.55 | rox | let me rephrase |
| 01:05.48 | centrx | ofir quite possible |
| 01:06.04 | rox | is it sufficient for successful network communication to have two wireless interfaces statically configured with IPs in the same subnet? |
| 01:06.20 | mystic_source | i can't baiver i $ so many money to this grafic card to have som shit driver |
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| 01:06.53 | regeya | o_O |
| 01:07.01 | Wyzard | rox: No, they also have to be connected to the same wireless network |
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| 01:07.45 | rox | Wyzard: what do you mean by network? |
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| 01:07.59 | Wyzard | rox: Do you know what a wireless access point is? |
| 01:08.20 | rox | Wyzard: i do, but i don't have one and i don't want one |
| 01:08.51 | Wyzard | rox: Well, without an access point you can do "ad-hoc" wireless networking, which is sort of peer-to-peer |
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| 01:09.02 | rox | Wyzard: that's what i was after |
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| 01:09.09 | Wyzard | rox: but you still have to configure the wireless interfaces to use the ad-hoc network |
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| 01:09.23 | Wyzard | rox: You've configured things at the IP level, but not at the radio level |
| 01:09.32 | rox | Wyzard: so simply using wireless-mode ad-hoc should do it? |
| 01:09.56 | regeya | heh, I helped my parents set up an ad-hoc network. winxp machines. my eyelid starts twitching at the thought of being asked to insert a disc to copy an .exe to install on all the participating machines |
| 01:10.02 | Wyzard | rox: You need to choose a channel and SSID for your ad-hoc network, and configure both computers to use it |
| 01:10.05 | ofir | any idea who loads lp? |
| 01:10.09 | Kevin` | some linux network drivers can work in real ap mode. |
| 01:10.52 | Kevin` | if yours can, use it, it makes things easier |
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| 01:10.52 | rox | Wyzard: any documentation you know about this? |
| 01:10.58 | Wyzard | rox: man iwconfig |
| 01:11.09 | Wyzard | rox: Why don't you want an access point, btw? |
| 01:11.10 | rox | Wyzard: iwconfig is all i need? |
| 01:11.17 | Kevin` | rox which wirelss driver are you using? |
| 01:11.21 | rox | Wyzard: because i don't have one, i just have 2 NICs |
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| 01:11.25 | en1gma | sup all |
| 01:11.36 | rox | Kevin`: rt73usb |
| 01:11.44 | Kevin` | hm i'm not sure what that supports. try it |
| 01:11.48 | Kevin` | iwconfig device mode Master |
| 01:11.51 | Wyzard | rox: It's all you need for one-shot configuration, analogous to ifconfig; to make it persist across reboots you'll need to do more but I don't know offhand of a way to configure iwconfig stuff at boot time |
| 01:12.04 | en1gma | just installed debian stable and updated to sid....im doing a search for "nvidia" in synaptic to get a driver for this geforce 8800gtx and not sure which one to get |
| 01:12.10 | en1gma | there are quite a few in there |
| 01:12.26 | rox | Wyzard: /etc/network/interfaces seems toaccept some wireless options too |
| 01:12.31 | ofir | any idea who loads module lp? |
| 01:12.38 | Wyzard | rox: Anyway, ad-hoc networks are meant for occasional light use; they don't perform as well as networks with access points, and you can't use strong encryption on an ad-hoc network |
| 01:12.46 | ofir | any idea how to find out who loads module lp? |
| 01:13.33 | Wyzard | rox: An access point is the usual, and preferred, way to set up a wireless network |
| 01:13.33 | Kevin` | Wyzard psst: a linux computer can work as an access point |
| 01:13.33 | rox | Wyzard: so it would be better to make one nic an access point and the other one to use the access point? |
| 01:13.33 | sn0 | en1gma i mentioned earlier a problem with nvidia-glx on sid with 2.6.20 |
| 01:13.33 | Wyzard | rox: If you can, yes |
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| 01:13.55 | Wyzard | rox: alternatively you can get a device that acts as an access point, such as the inexpensive "wireless router" devices that you see in computer stores |
| 01:14.01 | en1gma | also when i boot i can see verbose text and i can even get to X just fine...but if i want to go back to real console "cntrl-alt-backspace" i cant see any text....i think i need to add 'vga=0' in menu.1st is this correct or ok to do |
| 01:14.08 | en1gma | sn0 crap |
| 01:14.20 | Kevin` | I strongly recommend you NOT get a cheap wireless router |
| 01:14.28 | sn0 | you can either compile a 2.6.20 kernel with para virtualisation disabled, or patch the nvidia.com driver |
| 01:14.29 | Wyzard | Kevin`: why not? |
| 01:14.30 | en1gma | i think im still using keren 2.6.18.xx |
| 01:14.31 | Kevin` | look before you buy, and get a cheap wireless router that can run linux |
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| 01:14.46 | sn0 | oh in that case just install nvidia-glx then :] |
| 01:14.51 | Kevin` | they do exist, and are fairly easy to find with research |
| 01:14.57 | en1gma | whats a quick way to check |
| 01:15.00 | Kevin` | and will give you a LOT more functionality |
| 01:15.08 | rox | Wyzard: right, the only problem is that i really don't want one because i already have a hub and two switches and i only have 2 computers on the network |
| 01:15.10 | Wyzard | Kevin`: OpenWRT and friends are useful for doing advanced stuff, but they're not absolutely mandatory for someone who just wants a basic wlan |
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| 01:15.16 | sn0 | and read /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/README.Debian |
| 01:15.22 | Strom_M | hey guys, I'm having trouble disabling the "vga16fb" and "vesafb" drivers on a sarge install with kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686; I've googled for an hour and tried all sorts of things, and the frame buffer keeps loading at boot. Is there any way to disable this? |
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| 01:15.39 | Wyzard | rox: If you have a hub and two switches (and presumably, some cables), why do you need wireless networking for just two computers? |
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| 01:16.09 | rox | Wyzard: so my girlfriend doesn't have to drag a cable out on the balcony when she goes out for a cigarette |
| 01:16.12 | rox | Wyzard: convenience |
| 01:16.47 | lepton | Wyzard: thank you very much for the pointer to z25_persistent-net.rules. |
| 01:16.56 | Kevin` | an actuall access point, or a minipci or pci card with an antenna, will provide much greater range and performance then a usb card |
| 01:16.57 | Wyzard | rox: Alternatively, if both computers have wireless cards, you don't need all that equipment; just get an access point and use wireless all the time |
| 01:17.06 | en1gma | how can i see what kernel im running |
| 01:17.11 | Wyzard | en1gma: uname -r |
| 01:17.16 | en1gma | crap..ok thanks |
| 01:17.24 | Kevin` | Wyzard wired is (currently) minimum twice as fast as wireless |
| 01:17.24 | en1gma | i was thinking --version |
| 01:17.35 | rox | Wyzard: that's the easy way out. I want to make this work with the equipment i have :P |
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| 01:17.57 | Wyzard | Kevin`: and one can plug in on the occasions when one needs speed, which isn't most of the time |
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| 01:18.22 | en1gma | sn0 im using "2.6.18-4-k7" and i edited the repositories to use sid....what im wondering is why it didnt update to a newer kernel when i did 'apt-get dist-upgrade' |
| 01:18.35 | en1gma | im glad it didnt but im wondering why it didnt |
| 01:18.35 | Wyzard | en1gma: because 2.6.18 is the current default kernel in sid |
| 01:18.41 | en1gma | ohh ok |
| 01:18.43 | Wyzard | en1gma: 2.6.20 is available but not the default yet |
| 01:18.46 | sn0 | en1gma kernels are never upgraded |
| 01:18.47 | en1gma | sweet |
| 01:19.01 | sn0 | so you shouldn't have any problem installing nvidia-glx :) |
| 01:19.15 | Wyzard | sn0: They are if you install the metapackage which is meant for that purpose |
| 01:19.30 | en1gma | ahhh ok well....hold on when i fist booted debian (hadnt editied repositories yet) the first thing the updater showed me when i booted was a new kernel |
| 01:19.31 | sn0 | which is not installed by default, yes |
| 01:19.40 | en1gma | i updated it but it said it was same kernel and updated anyhow |
| 01:19.45 | sn0 | en1gma thats different, etch gets security updates only |
| 01:19.50 | Wyzard | sn0: Doesn't etch install it by default? |
| 01:19.53 | sn0 | or serious fixes |
| 01:19.57 | en1gma | ah ok |
| 01:20.04 | Wyzard | sn0: linux-image-k7 or whatever |
| 01:20.16 | en1gma | when i did the apt-get dist-upgrade i seen the "metapackage" updated |
| 01:20.31 | en1gma | does that mean 2.6.20.xx will appear in the updater soon |
| 01:20.32 | sn0 | oh indeed it does Wyzard |
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| 01:20.50 | Wyzard | en1gma: That linux-image-k7 package doesn't actually contain a kernel, but it depends on whatever the current default kernel is -- in this case, linux-image-2.6.18-4-k7 |
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| 01:21.24 | Wyzard | en1gma: At some point, when the kernel maintainers decide to make 2.6.20 (or maybe 2.6.21) the default, linux-image-k7 will be updated to depend on that instead, so a normal dist-upgrade will cause the new kernel to be installed |
| 01:21.39 | en1gma | ok i get it now :) |
| 01:21.42 | en1gma | thanks |
| 01:21.45 | en1gma | both you all |
| 01:21.52 | sn0 | thx for clearing it up Wyzard |
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| 01:22.20 | en1gma | getting the nvidia-glx AND still need to know if i can add "vga=0' to the grub menu.1st |
| 01:22.28 | stoned | technical |
| 01:22.32 | stoned | umm |
| 01:22.33 | stoned | oops |
| 01:22.57 | Wyzard | en1gma: What would the purpose of "vga=0" be? |
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| 01:23.10 | Wyzard | en1gma: I believe mode 0 is 80x25 text mode, which is the default anyway |
| 01:23.12 | DawnLight | how can i know which IDE chipset driver to compile with the kernel? |
| 01:23.20 | Wyzard | DawnLight: lspci |
| 01:23.43 | en1gma | well ive had lots of problems (not just debian) with my DVI....like if i dont give the cheat code on boot of "vga=0" when i leave X and goto console i just get a black screen |
| 01:23.54 | Wyzard | en1gma: That's kinda weird |
| 01:23.58 | en1gma | i have a widescreen monitor using dvi |
| 01:24.06 | en1gma | it is wierd but lots of ppl have this problem |
| 01:24.11 | Wyzard | en1gma: so do I, and I never needed that option |
| 01:24.15 | rahul | STONED |
| 01:24.17 | en1gma | whats your monitor |
| 01:24.20 | rahul | holy shit |
| 01:24.25 | rahul | msg |
| 01:24.27 | en1gma | i have samsung 215tw |
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| 01:24.39 | Wyzard | en1gma: though I use a framebuffer console now, vga=791 video=vesa:mtrr,ywrap |
| 01:24.43 | Wyzard | en1gma: Dell 2007WFP |
| 01:24.44 | en1gma | maybe it just the vcard then...gf 8800gtx not handling it correct |
| 01:24.54 | Wyzard | en1gma: with a gf7600gs |
| 01:25.00 | Wyzard | DVI, of course |
| 01:25.00 | en1gma | i used to have to use xmodule=vesa |
| 01:25.11 | en1gma | how can i add that line in grub |
| 01:25.22 | en1gma | vga=792 maybe |
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| 01:25.40 | en1gma | but i dont want to use vesa if i install nvidia-glx right? |
| 01:25.51 | Wyzard | 791 is 1280x1024, which is the biggest mode available that fits on my 1680x1050 screen |
| 01:25.53 | DawnLight | Wyzard: okay, so how do i know which driver is using it? |
| 01:25.54 | Wyzard | dunno offhand what 792 is |
| 01:26.04 | Wyzard | You don't want to use VESA in X, but for the console it's fine |
| 01:26.13 | rahul | !penixstrike stoned |
| 01:26.13 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking stoned to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 01:26.13 | en1gma | 1680x1050 here too so prob vga=791 too |
| 01:26.19 | rahul | !penixstrike rahul |
| 01:26.19 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking rahul to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 01:26.19 | Strom_M | I've got the opposite question: how do I turn /off/ the framebuffer? |
| 01:26.25 | rahul | en1gma: that's not a vga mode |
| 01:26.33 | rahul | oh, you want closest |
| 01:26.36 | Wyzard | You *might* be able to find an actual 1680x1050 mode -- it depends on the video card |
| 01:26.42 | Wyzard | I was able to find a 1280x800 mode on my laptop |
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| 01:26.44 | rahul | why don't you use fbcon? |
| 01:26.51 | en1gma | so if i tell grub "vga=791" and "video=vesa" my vcard will still use nvidia-glx in X right? |
| 01:26.56 | Wyzard | right |
| 01:27.12 | rahul | y'all are tools |
| 01:27.15 | Wyzard | but if you use "video=vesa", you actually want "video=vesa:mtrr,ywrap" for better performance, particularly when scrolling |
| 01:27.18 | en1gma | whats fbcon...is that a kernel module? |
| 01:27.30 | en1gma | ahhh okm |
| 01:27.32 | rahul | video=radeonfb:840x525MR-32@60 |
| 01:27.49 | Wyzard | rahul: Good luck using radeonfb on an nVidia card |
| 01:27.55 | en1gma | lol |
| 01:27.55 | rahul | I like it at double res because I can't get it to use a font that's big enough to be comfortable at full res |
| 01:27.59 | en1gma | i was thinking same thing |
| 01:27.59 | rahul | uh |
| 01:28.01 | Wyzard | rahul: and nvidiafb conflicts with the nVidia xorg driver |
| 01:28.01 | rahul | tools |
| 01:28.07 | rahul | Wyzard: seriously |
| 01:28.08 | rahul | ? |
| 01:28.11 | en1gma | yep it always has |
| 01:28.23 | rahul | wow, the toolage goes deeper than I thought |
| 01:28.34 | Wyzard | rahul: can't start X if you're using nvidiafb... so we use vesafb since the console doesn't really matter much anyway |
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| 01:28.52 | rahul | and it's not the kind that involves maynard |
| 01:29.05 | stoned | rahul: i |
| 01:29.06 | stoned | hey |
| 01:29.10 | rahul | HERESY |
| 01:29.12 | stoned | http://myspace.com/hborger |
| 01:29.14 | pepse | karma: care to do something silly as a favor? |
| 01:29.16 | pepse | doh |
| 01:29.21 | stoned | heresy was a damn good pantera song |
| 01:29.24 | stoned | where am I |
| 01:29.26 | stoned | oh #debian |
| 01:29.28 | pepse | anyone else here run ez-ipupdate? |
| 01:29.28 | stoned | goddamit |
| 01:29.35 | Wyzard | pepse: I do |
| 01:29.37 | rahul | heresy was a damn good NiN song, too |
| 01:29.38 | stoned | rahul: msg |
| 01:29.38 | rahul | whoa |
| 01:29.42 | rahul | you changed it up |
| 01:29.46 | stoned | yeh |
| 01:29.48 | Grim76 | !enter |
| 01:29.48 | pepse | Wyzard: I'm trying to figure out why it's giving me invalid login. |
| 01:29.48 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. (Remember, the less you annoy us, the more help you're likely to get.) |
| 01:29.55 | en1gma | one more thing i didnt see any irc clients installed with gnome default install....can gaim hide joins/parts |
| 01:29.57 | stoned | Grim76: fuck off |
| 01:30.00 | en1gma | like a setting somewhere |
| 01:30.03 | rahul | Grim76: off fuck |
| 01:30.06 | Grim76 | Just a joke man |
| 01:30.08 | Wyzard | en1gma: Anyway, to add that to GRUB, open menu.lst and find the line that begins with "# kopt=", and add the options there |
| 01:30.12 | Wyzard | en1gma: then run update-grub |
| 01:30.12 | stoned | !stoned |
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| 01:30.15 | stoned | what |
| 01:30.16 | pepse | Wyzard: i just ran a sniffer while i was starting it, and it shows me sending username:<big encrypted password>:hostname:0.. I dunno what that 0 is |
| 01:30.18 | stoned | word |
| 01:30.20 | rahul | heh |
| 01:30.27 | pepse | Wyzard: happen to have a sniffer installed to check what yours says? :) |
| 01:30.45 | en1gma | omg i always forget you have to do that no wonder it never works |
| 01:30.45 | rahul | stoned: so yeah, listen to that SX. I'm out |
| 01:30.45 | en1gma | update-grub has to be done? |
| 01:30.45 | chass | anyone have any hints on what to do to get my binary nvidia drivers working again on sid? |
| 01:30.48 | rahul | got a party to attend |
| 01:30.57 | chass | a recent upgrade made them not work, and i am guessing this is common |
| 01:31.11 | rahul | chass: use the drivers that debian packages already? |
| 01:31.14 | Wyzard | pepse: What's in your config file? |
| 01:31.19 | Strom_M | should I continue asking my question politely, or should I become an irritating twit to get you guys' attention? :) |
| 01:31.20 | chass | the package nvidia-glx requires nvidia-kernel-1.0.9755 which is not available' |
| 01:31.22 | P_Kable | Hi guys. I need help on apache configuration. I would like to share 2 hard drive using apache. How would you do this ? |
| 01:31.40 | pepse | Wyzard: http://paste.debian.net/27671 |
| 01:31.41 | Wyzard | pepse: Make sure you've set the "host=" line correctly so dyndns knows what hostname you're actually trying to update |
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| 01:31.49 | rahul | chass: you need to use modass to compile the kernel module |
| 01:31.50 | pepse | Wyzard: I am |
| 01:31.56 | P_Kable | My website is in /var/www and the harddrives are /sda1 and /sda2 |
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| 01:32.05 | rahul | ass being the operative word |
| 01:32.06 | chass | and, if i try to compile them myself, i get an odd error when trying to insert it into the kernel, but i forget what it is and i'm not at home so i can't check |
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| 01:32.14 | chass | rahul thanks i'll google that |
| 01:32.17 | rahul | chass: you need to use the same compiler for the kernel and the module |
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| 01:32.22 | chass | rahul yes, i know |
| 01:32.30 | chass | this must be a common problem.. |
| 01:32.37 | pepse | Wyzard: someone else suggested not having an interface and doing --address, but ez-ipupdate complains that address is only used with 0.0.0.0 |
| 01:32.39 | Wyzard | pepse: hmm... that looks OK to me, but I've never used gnudip, only dyndns.org |
| 01:32.50 | Wyzard | pepse: interface= works for me |
| 01:33.03 | pepse | Wyzard: yeah but i'm on a machine with a local ip |
| 01:33.16 | Wyzard | !tell chass about nvidia one-liner |
| 01:33.16 | pepse | so I'm trying eth0:0 and setting that as the external ip |
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| 01:33.32 | pepse | Wyzard: happen to have a sniffer installed to see if yours sends that 0 at the end? |
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| 01:33.54 | Saar | hey any idea how to configure exim4 to use smtp authentication? |
| 01:33.56 | pepse | i get a response of '1' |
| 01:33.58 | pepse | heh |
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| 01:34.04 | pepse | i dunno why that means invalid login to ez-ipupdate |
| 01:34.05 | Wyzard | pepse: I run it on my router, which is headless, so sniffing is kinda inconvenient |
| 01:34.17 | Wyzard | pepse: and gnudip probably uses a different protocol than dyndns anyway |
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| 01:34.26 | pepse | i spoze. |
| 01:34.41 | pepse | my router runs linux, but it's not a fancy wrt or anything |
| 01:34.44 | chass | man, you guys don't listen. the required dependencies are not available in sid |
| 01:34.46 | pepse | it's an Actiontec dsl modem |
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| 01:35.04 | chass | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:35.27 | Wyzard | pepse: I have an Actiontec router that I got from Verizon for my fiber broadband service, but it's not something I can install custom software on |
| 01:35.30 | chass | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/nvidia-glx <-- also says not available |
| 01:35.34 | Wyzard | pepse: The router I actually use is a Linux PC |
| 01:35.34 | DawnLight | this is my first time compiling linux kernel. how do i know which drivers to choose? can i see the list of drivers that are being used now? |
| 01:35.49 | rahul | ok, I'm out |
| 01:35.54 | pepse | Wyzard: i was hoping to use a pc myself but i can't seem to find drivers for my adsl modem |
| 01:36.00 | Wyzard | chass: nvidia-kernel-<version> is built from nvidia-kernel-source, locally on your system -- that's why it's not in the repository |
| 01:36.05 | pepse | and it's pppoa service |
| 01:36.10 | Wyzard | chass: The usual way to build it is with module-assistant |
| 01:36.14 | pepse | though, i really should try pppoe just for kicks, to see if it works |
| 01:36.22 | rahul | anybody wants crazy partyage, call me. I'll be at 27th and 10th. |
| 01:36.22 | Wyzard | DawnLight: Why are you compiling a custom kernel? |
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| 01:36.32 | Wyzard | pepse: What's the 'a' in "pppoa"? |
| 01:36.44 | DawnLight | Wyzard: much fun |
| 01:36.46 | pepse | ppp over atm |
| 01:36.49 | Wyzard | pepse: ah, ok |
| 01:37.00 | Wyzard | pepse: and... drivers for your modem? |
| 01:37.05 | Wyzard | pepse: Can't you just connect to it with ethernet? |
| 01:37.06 | pepse | i have a pci dsl modem |
| 01:37.11 | Wyzard | oh, eww |
| 01:37.12 | chass | Wyzard, okay, that makes more sense. I have usually installed from the nvidia package but it says a feature is not supported in the kernel or something now. I'll look into module assistant |
| 01:37.13 | pepse | which would allow me to connect pppoa |
| 01:37.19 | pepse | but only in windows |
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| 01:37.31 | Wyzard | !tell chass about nvidia one-liner |
| 01:37.36 | Wyzard | chass: Follow those directions |
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| 01:37.59 | tin_nqn | hello people. |
| 01:38.03 | chass | Wyzard, i did and I showed you the error i got |
| 01:38.09 | pepse | i thought about just letting windows do the nat, and have a dhcp server on another machine (like the one i'm trying to run ez-ipupdate on) |
| 01:38.14 | tin_nqn | I need mount /dev/hdc1 (ext3 format) into a dir.... I've edited fstab and the partition is mounted, but in read-only mode. How can I mount it writable? Here my fstab http://rafb.net/p/Aj6Ciq38.html |
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| 01:38.23 | lkundrak | ello |
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| 01:38.37 | lkundrak | anyone alive? |
| 01:38.44 | Wyzard | chass: I didn't see you mention an error message |
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| 01:39.09 | Wyzard | lkundrak: No, we're all dead |
| 01:39.09 | en1gma | does gnome have a super-user file manager |
| 01:39.09 | chass | Wyzard, nvidia-glx: Depends: nvidia-kernel-1.0.9755 but it is not installable |
| 01:39.09 | en1gma | i cant save menu.1st |
| 01:39.15 | chass | thats what got us to this conversation |
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| 01:39.27 | pepse | en1gma: sudo vi /boot/grub/menu.lst? :) |
| 01:39.44 | en1gma | oh god no not vi |
| 01:39.45 | lkundrak | # LC_ALL=cs_CZ cat nonexistent |
| 01:39.45 | lkundrak | cat: nonexistent: No such file or directory |
| 01:39.45 | Wyzard | chass: hmm, interesting, the one-liner doesn't seem to have the module-assistant stuff anymore |
| 01:39.46 | lkundrak | # |
| 01:40.01 | lkundrak | any ideas why isn't the message in czech? |
| 01:40.14 | chass | Wyzard, i think i found some google articles with people having the same problem |
| 01:40.15 | Wyzard | chass: Anyway, use module-assistant to build and install nvidia-kernel, *then* install nvidia-glx |
| 01:40.17 | lkundrak | the locales package is configured for czech package, so is the right coreutils.mo in right place |
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| 01:40.19 | en1gma | i mean can i start a file manager with root privlages so i can edit/save docs |
| 01:40.19 | gn00b | i've got a brand new installation and gnome is freezing on me. mouse works, but keys won't work. i have to reboot each time. what could be wrong? |
| 01:40.22 | chass | ok |
| 01:40.39 | en1gma | ill just grab mc |
| 01:40.40 | en1gma | 1 sec |
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| 01:41.33 | predder | Should I be using mkinitramfs or mkinitrd to gererate my initrds? |
| 01:41.48 | Wyzard | predder: mkinitrd is obsolete and does not work anymore |
| 01:41.52 | en1gma | well crap i cant copy and paste from a txt file to mc edit file can i |
| 01:42.01 | predder | Wyzard, thanks. |
| 01:42.03 | en1gma | is there a super-user file manager somewhere |
| 01:42.10 | Wyzard | predder: Current kernels use mkinitramfs (or yaird, if you prefer, but mkinitramfs is the default) |
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| 01:42.30 | en1gma | i cant right click the file manager and select "run as" |
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| 01:42.56 | nvz | gn00b: what version of debian? and can you type at the login screen (gdm I suppose?)? |
| 01:42.56 | ofir | hi |
| 01:43.18 | Wyzard | en1gma: Just use sudo to run an editor in a shell |
| 01:43.18 | ofir | eventualy I moved lp.ko to ~/ |
| 01:43.32 | ofir | is this the only solution? |
| 01:43.34 | Wyzard | en1gma: It doesn't have to be vi... "sudo -e /boot/grub/menu.lst" will run sensible-editor, which is probably nano |
| 01:43.37 | en1gma | i would prefer to start a file manager from shell if thats possible |
| 01:43.48 | ofir | to prevent it from auto loading? |
| 01:43.55 | Wyzard | en1gma: Running GUI stuff as root is generally discouraged |
| 01:43.55 | en1gma | what is file manager name in gnome and ill just run it from root |
| 01:44.02 | en1gma | hmmmm |
| 01:44.07 | n3kl | How can I install debian on a raid array? |
| 01:44.21 | Wyzard | n3kl: using the installer, which supports that |
| 01:44.31 | gn00b | nvz, 2.6.18-4-686 and 'yes' i can login thru gdm |
| 01:44.34 | nvz | en1gma: nautilus but running it as root is not a good idea. for one thing root wont have xauth for your display |
| 01:44.46 | n3kl | Wyzard: yeah, but how? |
| 01:44.52 | en1gma | ahh ok |
| 01:44.53 | en1gma | well crap |
| 01:44.55 | nvz | gn00b: so the keyboard doesnt stop working until after gnome is done loading? |
| 01:44.57 | Wyzard | n3kl: You can create software RAID arrays using the "manual partitioning" option in the installer |
| 01:45.03 | en1gma | it would be nice to have a super-user file manager |
| 01:45.09 | en1gma | its needed for lots of things |
| 01:45.29 | Strom_M | hey guys, I'm having trouble disabling the "vga16fb" and "vesafb" drivers on a sarge install with kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686; I've googled for an hour and tried all sorts of things, and the frame buffer keeps loading at boot. Is there any way to disable this? |
| 01:45.29 | Wyzard | n3kl: Put your /boot somewhere that isn't on the array, or you'll end up having to use LILO rather than GRUB |
| 01:45.29 | nvz | gn00b: and that version number is a linux kernel version, not a debian versio.. I assume you mean 4.0 Etch? |
| 01:45.34 | en1gma | ill just log-out and login as root |
| 01:45.46 | en1gma | thanks and will be back in a minute |
| 01:45.46 | en1gma | :) |
| 01:45.47 | Wyzard | en1gma: Logging into GNOME as root is also discouraged |
| 01:45.50 | nvz | en1gma: you are foolish :P |
| 01:45.56 | gn00b | how do i find that out |
| 01:45.57 | en1gma | then KDE is foolish |
| 01:46.02 | nvz | you are gonna fuck your system all up |
| 01:46.05 | Wyzard | en1gma: In fact, it's the main reason why Ubuntu disables root logins, so newbies don't do that |
| 01:46.05 | n3kl | Wyzard: Oh, I have gone in here a couple times now and I have not seen the giat 'sotware raid' option at the top. |
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| 01:46.12 | n3kl | feeling sheepish. Thanks |
| 01:46.16 | en1gma | KDE has super-user file manager |
| 01:46.29 | en1gma | super-user file manager is needed |
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| 01:46.40 | nvz | en1gma: no, its really not :P |
| 01:46.41 | Wyzard | en1gma: You're free to use KDE |
| 01:46.42 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:46.47 | Guerin | it's not at all |
| 01:46.56 | en1gma | well i got to have super-user file manager |
| 01:46.57 | Wyzard | en1gma: I've never really seen that much need for a superuser file manager, though |
| 01:47.10 | en1gma | i was going to give gnome a chance but hey i cant live with out that |
| 01:47.12 | nvz | en1gma: you need windows from what I am hearing |
| 01:47.16 | Guerin | en1gma: then you have your permissions set up wrong. |
| 01:47.23 | regulate_ | i've never had need for a file manager . |
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| 01:47.33 | nvz | regulate_: heh, seriously |
| 01:47.41 | en1gma | KDE shows it right in the list "super-user file manager" |
| 01:47.42 | Wyzard | en1gma: You're trying to edit one line in one text file and you're looking for an entire GUI file manager that you can run as root |
| 01:47.47 | en1gma | you just type root pass yo use it |
| 01:47.47 | nvz | gn00b: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 01:47.54 | Wyzard | en1gma: You could've made the change ten times already if you'd just used su |
| 01:47.55 | Guerin | en1gma: yes, and it's retarded. |
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| 01:48.17 | en1gma | well of course thats what im doing right now...but what i do later is use super-user file mager extensively |
| 01:48.26 | Guerin | en1gma: why? |
| 01:48.26 | gn00b | nvz, 4.0 |
| 01:48.27 | Guerin | i mean |
| 01:48.34 | Wyzard | en1gma: For what? Why do you need to move lots of root-owned files around? |
| 01:48.35 | Guerin | what do you manipulate with it? |
| 01:48.39 | nvz | en1gma: you shouldnt be doing file management extensively as root |
| 01:49.27 | en1gma | because i like too (why does KDE have it) |
| 01:49.27 | regulate_ | en1gma needs a super user irc client -_- |
| 01:49.27 | Guerin | en1gma: no, that's not a reason. What files require you to be root? |
| 01:49.27 | Wyzard | en1gma: because KDE has everything regardless of whether it's needed or not |
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| 01:49.28 | Guerin | regulate_: at least then he'd be devoiced |
| 01:49.28 | en1gma | ex: if i send files to my usb stick from windows |
| 01:49.28 | Wyzard | en1gma: same reason KDE's dialogs all have a million checkboxes and entry fields |
| 01:49.28 | en1gma | you have to be root in linux to delete em |
| 01:49.39 | Guerin | en1gma: only if you set your fstab up wrong |
| 01:49.41 | nvz | en1gma: your configuration is wrong then |
| 01:49.59 | Wyzard | en1gma: Take your USB stick out of fstab and let GNOME mount it automatically |
| 01:50.00 | en1gma | i havent got that far yet |
| 01:50.00 | Wyzard | en1gma: It'll set up the permissions correctly so that normal users can access the files |
| 01:50.01 | en1gma | im still setting up |
| 01:50.03 | nvz | en1gma: you should be trying to figure out how to do the things you need without root privlage, not figuring out how to get that privlage |
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| 01:50.27 | en1gma | im not a million dollar business...i reinstall prob 2x a week |
| 01:50.31 | en1gma | format etc.. |
| 01:50.38 | Wyzard | umm... why? |
| 01:50.46 | en1gma | matter as a fact ill prob delete the user acct and just be root |
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| 01:50.51 | tin_nqn | I need mount /dev/hdc1 (ext3 format) into a dir.... I've edited fstab and the partition is mounted, but in read-only mode. How can I mount it writable? Here my fstab http://rafb.net/p/Aj6Ciq38.html |
| 01:51.05 | Guerin | tin_nqn: man mount |
| 01:51.06 | en1gma | for real |
| 01:51.18 | tin_nqn | Guerin: I've read it |
| 01:51.21 | NefariousPrior | For a cron job, would " 07000 " be everyday at 7 am? |
| 01:51.25 | chass | Wyzard, thanks for your help. the module-assistant gave me the same errors as the nvidia installer. I am currently working on a workaround: http://www.debianhelp.org/node/6880 in case someone else asks |
| 01:51.33 | Wyzard | en1gma: Why in the world do you need to reinstall Debian every three days? |
| 01:51.54 | nvz | Wyzard: because he runs filemanagers as root.. haha |
| 01:51.59 | en1gma | well lets see...i install kanotix, kubuntu, suse, sidux |
| 01:52.02 | en1gma | last 3 days |
| 01:52.02 | Wyzard | chass: That's a known incompatibility with 2.6.20 |
| 01:52.10 | Wyzard | chass: use 2.6.18, which is sid's default anyway |
| 01:52.19 | en1gma | im not a noob....just new to debian and gnome |
| 01:52.35 | Wyzard | en1gma: OK, so you're evaluating distros, that's fine |
| 01:52.38 | chass | oh? really. i should downgrade the kernel, or i recompile the .20 kernel. I think i'll downgrade.. |
| 01:52.41 | nvz | gn00b: so what kind of keyboard is this.. the interface.. ps2, usb? |
| 01:52.45 | chass | but then I have to recompile my webcam driver ;) oh well |
| 01:52.49 | chass | Wyzard, Thanks i'll try that later at home |
| 01:52.50 | Wyzard | en1gma: Evaluating them with bad habits like circumventing the permissions system isn't a good way to go |
| 01:52.52 | n3kl | Wyzard: cool, it worked. Thanks |
| 01:52.56 | en1gma | well playing around...but ive tried debian long time ago and liked it |
| 01:53.03 | Guerin | tin_nqn: then you know what to do |
| 01:53.11 | gn00b | ps2 |
| 01:53.19 | en1gma | i was a slacker for long time...since 1998 |
| 01:53.24 | Wyzard | chass: If you're comfortable with custom-compiling, you could compile 2.6.20 and leave the paravirtualization stuff out, but my recommendation would be to just downgrade to 2.6.18 |
| 01:53.25 | en1gma | till couple years ago |
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| 01:53.53 | chass | Wyzard, i think 2.6.18 was the first time I DIDNT compile my own kernel, but it got to be just such a hassle |
| 01:54.00 | nvz | en1gma: setting up a distro and seeing its immediate differences doesnt take long at all.. you'll know from using slack I am sure.. for the most part they are all somewhat the same and its the configuration you do that makes each setup unique and you'll spend the rest of your life reconfiguring things |
| 01:54.10 | en1gma | i did notice that at gnome desktop i was only using 140MB memory |
| 01:54.15 | Wyzard | chass: I used to custom-compile all my kernels but stopped a few months ago because it's not really worth the trouble... the stock ones work fine |
| 01:54.18 | en1gma | thats pretty good....way lower then KDE |
| 01:54.33 | nvz | gn00b: have you tried doing any troubleshooting other than rebooting? |
| 01:54.37 | Wyzard | en1gma: GNOME used to be a memory hog so the developers put a lot of focus on slimming it down |
| 01:54.52 | n3kl | chass: save your .config files and write a script. Cake |
| 01:54.55 | gn00b | no |
| 01:54.57 | chass | aah, 2.6.18 is still installed, great |
| 01:54.59 | en1gma | yea i cant believe it cause i compared it like 4 years ago and it was even with KDE |
| 01:55.03 | nvz | gn00b: cause rebooting is classic Microsoft diagnostic technique and rarely works in the real world(tm) |
| 01:55.06 | en1gma | is it really only using 140megs |
| 01:55.13 | en1gma | and im talking 0mb swap |
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| 01:55.32 | tin_nqn | Guerin: I've read. If I use options "defaults" like I have for my /home mountpoint (ext3 partition) it should be in rw mode, but it isn't |
| 01:55.36 | nvz | gn00b: so even upon rebooting.. you have keyboard working up until logging into gnome, then it doesnt work, and its been this way ever since install I take it? |
| 01:56.34 | nvz | gn00b: we're going to have to narrow down what exactly is causing the problem because the login screen and gnome are using the same exact X settings.. so logic suggests that some application that starts with gnome-session is the problem here |
| 01:56.39 | chass | Wyzard, sigh i think i'll just custom compile. I can't install the kernel-headers for 2.6.18 which I think i need to compile the module |
| 01:56.42 | gn00b | i'm allowed to work for a few mins and then it freezes |
| 01:56.46 | chass | package not available |
| 01:56.52 | en1gma | 140megs b4 i updated to sid...havent checked it since then |
| 01:56.57 | Wyzard | chass: What specific package is not available? |
| 01:57.12 | nvz | gn00b: hmm.. keyboard randomly stops working shortly after login then? this is even more strange :P |
| 01:57.27 | Wyzard | chass: sid definitely has the headers package for its default kernel |
| 01:57.35 | chass | linux-headers-2.6-k7 depends on linux-headers-2.6.18-4-k7, -- does not appear to be avilable |
| 01:57.42 | nvz | gn00b: are you certain that none of your keys on your keyboard are stuck, and that there is no short in the cable? |
| 01:57.43 | en1gma | eww 330megs now |
| 01:57.52 | en1gma | that looks more like it..but i do have gaim opened too |
| 01:58.05 | gn00b | cable and keyboard good |
| 01:58.21 | nvz | gn00b: have you tried reinitializing the keyboard BIOS by unplugging it and plugging it back in to see if the lights on the keyboard flash and if that makes it work again? |
| 01:58.33 | en1gma | ok brb goona update nvidia-glx do i need to use nvidia configurer? |
| 01:58.47 | nvz | gn00b: is your mouse also PS/2? |
| 01:58.56 | en1gma | or is there a debian script that handles it |
| 01:59.00 | Wyzard | chass: hmm, maybe it did get removed from sid -- but you can grab it from stable |
| 01:59.10 | en1gma | im grabbing nvidia 100.14.xx driver |
| 01:59.12 | Wyzard | chass: http://packages.debian.org/stable/devel/linux-headers-2.6.18-4-k7 |
| 01:59.28 | nvz | gn00b: sometimes if a modifier or special key like enter sticks the keyboard will be rendered seemingly useless |
| 01:59.28 | Wyzard | en1gma: Use the packages, not nvidia's installer script |
| 01:59.40 | chass | Wyzard, great idea. |
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| 02:00.08 | Wyzard | chass: I'd also suggest installing linux-headers-2.6-k7, so you always have the headers corresponding to the default kernel |
| 02:00.14 | en1gma | i dont know if there is a package for that driver |
| 02:00.18 | nvz | gn00b: do you currently have access to this system while on IRC? or are you dual booting and not currently in debian? |
| 02:00.35 | en1gma | 100.14.03 |
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| 02:00.50 | Wyzard | chass: oops, make that linux-headers-2.6-k7 -- dunno why there's no linux-headers-k7 |
| 02:00.54 | en1gma | the 100.14.03 prob works with 2.6.20.xx |
| 02:01.04 | gn00b | nvz, the install finished about 5 minutes before i logged into irc. sinced then, i've had to reboot 3 times |
| 02:01.23 | nvz | gn00b: hmm.. so is the mouse ps/2 as well? |
| 02:01.27 | gn00b | nvz, this is an xp box sitting right next to the debian box |
| 02:01.39 | gn00b | right now the debian is in cli |
| 02:01.45 | en1gma | oh AND hey i noticed a big problem with dmraid....very very poor perf with hdparm -tT reporting 28MBs when it should be 200MBs |
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| 02:01.51 | gn00b | nvz, yes, mouse is ps/2 also |
| 02:01.54 | en1gma | maybe new kernel will fix that |
| 02:02.12 | nvz | gn00b: ok. so the mouse continues to respond in X even after they keyboard input freezes? |
| 02:02.19 | gn00b | yes |
| 02:02.33 | Wyzard | en1gma: The nVidia driver in sid is 1.0.9755-1, and (as chass recently discovered) does not work with 2.6.20 |
| 02:02.36 | nvz | gn00b: no jittery movement or strange behavior from the mouse at all? |
| 02:02.42 | gn00b | no |
| 02:02.49 | Wyzard | en1gma: but 2.6.18 is the default kernel in sid, and it works fine with that |
| 02:03.10 | nvz | gn00b: do you know how and/or can you still get to a text console from X or use a Ctrl+Alt+Backspace to kill X when the keyboard stopps working? |
| 02:03.12 | gn00b | i thought it might be a resolution problem, but i guess not |
| 02:03.13 | en1gma | yea i used the the 97.55 driver and its not near as good as the 100.14.03 |
| 02:03.20 | en1gma | i bet it works with 2.6.20.xx |
| 02:03.23 | en1gma | ill test it out |
| 02:03.24 | Wyzard | en1gma: "not nearly as good" in what way? |
| 02:03.27 | en1gma | where i get 2.6.20.xx |
| 02:03.33 | gn00b | tried that. keyboard doesn't work |
| 02:03.36 | en1gma | beryl was a pain in the azz |
| 02:03.41 | regeya | kernel.or |
| 02:03.44 | regeya | g |
| 02:03.56 | Wyzard | en1gma: Neither nVidia 100.14.03 nor beryl are currently packaged in Debian |
| 02:03.57 | en1gma | isnt there a debian kernel pkf |
| 02:04.07 | en1gma | i add non-free |
| 02:04.18 | Wyzard | en1gma: 2.6.20 is available in sid but is not the default yet, probably for reasons like the nVidia one |
| 02:04.22 | chass | i was fine running nv for now, but i need to bring compiz back up for a paper deadline comming up |
| 02:04.38 | en1gma | i bet it fixed the problem and 100.14.03 works fine |
| 02:04.40 | Wyzard | chass: compiz conflicts with the current GNOME stuff, btw |
| 02:04.43 | en1gma | ill test it and report |
| 02:05.01 | chass | in what way? |
| 02:05.03 | en1gma | how do i get the deb pkg for 2.6.20 |
| 02:05.08 | Wyzard | en1gma: maybe, but it's not worth using non-packaged stuff for |
| 02:05.11 | chass | i know I can't install it using apt, some things are missing |
| 02:05.20 | chass | but i still have a source tree lying around from Oct that I was using |
| 02:05.23 | en1gma | btw i know it works cause i had kanotix installed with 2.6.20.xx and the 100.14.03 |
| 02:05.24 | Wyzard | en1gma: Why do you need 2.6.20 so badly that you want to install a non-packaged non-free driver just to be able to use it? |
| 02:05.25 | en1gma | so it does work |
| 02:05.27 | gn00b | this is the pc specs if it helps at all: http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c00497067&lc=en&cc=us&dlc=en&product=1152514&lang=en |
| 02:05.31 | nvz | gn00b: hmm.. well we still havent ruled anything out or located the source of the problem.. you are going to have to try booting the machine and just using console, or perhaps just starting X without GDM Login or gnome.. just running plain X with an xterm to see if the problem still occurs |
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| 02:05.39 | en1gma | i just said dmraid = 28MBs |
| 02:05.46 | en1gma | it needs to be close to 200 |
| 02:06.01 | Wyzard | en1gma: Did you get full performance under kanotix's 2.6.20? |
| 02:06.06 | gn00b | nvz, that makes sense. i'll give that a try |
| 02:06.13 | nvz | gn00b: what might help a great deal in troubleshooting considering your setup and prevent you from having to reboot so much would be to download putty on that windows box so you can ssh in from there when the keyboard stops responding |
| 02:06.14 | en1gma | yea it was the best i had ever for reall |
| 02:06.15 | DawnLight | it just came to me that the debian linux kernel comes with a gazillion billion stuff i won't use |
| 02:06.21 | en1gma | someone has done a good job with that kernel |
| 02:06.29 | en1gma | md must have been updated |
| 02:06.37 | Wyzard | DawnLight: yes, drivers for lots of hardware you don't have |
| 02:06.47 | nvz | gn00b: because easier than trying to narrow it down by removing programs from the setup is to let it fuck up normally then observe the system in that state |
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| 02:06.56 | DawnLight | my god... |
| 02:07.02 | Wyzard | DawnLight: which take up a few megabytes of disk space, never get loaded, and are completely harmless |
| 02:07.11 | chass | DawnLight, but they never get loaded into memory unless needed so who cares? |
| 02:07.16 | nvz | gn00b: if ssh doesnt work at that point then we know its more than just keyboard problems, and if it does work we have more options |
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| 02:07.28 | en1gma | i dont know if its md or some bios-raid driver that is inc in kernel now but yea 2.6.20 gives me great raid perf....plus i can write to my ntfs partition |
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| 02:07.29 | gn00b | ok |
| 02:07.33 | DawnLight | nice point |
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| 02:07.48 | Wyzard | DawnLight: You don't really have much need to compile a custom kernel |
| 02:08.10 | gn00b | btw..this is the monitor: http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/prodinfoCategory?lc=en&cc=us&dlc=en&product=324213&lang=en |
| 02:08.12 | en1gma | with synaptic will it show the 2.6.20.xx kernel |
| 02:08.27 | Wyzard | en1gma: yes, 2.6.20 packages are in sid |
| 02:08.33 | en1gma | it will prob fix my monitor problem from going from X to console too |
| 02:08.40 | en1gma | ok checking |
| 02:08.41 | en1gma | thanks |
| 02:08.48 | Wyzard | en1gma: and you can make a mess of your xorg/OpenGL problem by using nvidia's installer if you really want to |
| 02:09.16 | Wyzard | en1gma: or you could custom-compile 2.6.20 and leave out the paravirtualization support, which should fix the nvidia problem |
| 02:09.21 | nvz | gn00b: your monitor or system spec should have little to do with this issue I was just asking about the keyboard/mouse ports because it might help narrow down the problem.. ps2 ports are directly connected, so if it was hardware issues the mouse would probably mess up too.. if on ps2 as well.. and there are a plethora of known issues with usb keyboards :P |
| 02:10.27 | Wyzard | en1gma: The newer nVidia driver won't necessarily fix the problem anyway, btw -- it's really a kernel issue, not an nVidia issue |
| 02:10.27 | en1gma | has anyone ever installed debian i386 and then later updated to i686 amd x64 |
| 02:10.27 | Wyzard | en1gma: It might be fixed in 2.6.21, though I'm not sure |
| 02:10.31 | en1gma | i mean is it going to break anything with the software i have installed |
| 02:10.35 | nvz | gn00b: this seems like a software bug to me. google for putty and install it on the windows box so you don't have to keep rebooting you will be able to use putty to get a shell on the debian box from windows and maintain troubleshooting without loss of time |
| 02:10.48 | Wyzard | en1gma: The "i386" port of Debian covers all 32-bit x86 systems -- you can install 686-optimized kernels and libc, sure |
| 02:10.59 | en1gma | might as well do it |
| 02:11.03 | en1gma | ok thanks |
| 02:11.04 | gn00b | ok |
| 02:11.15 | Wyzard | en1gma: For a 64-bit system you need to reinstall with the "amd64" port instead |
| 02:11.18 | nvz | gn00b: its a small single file program there is actually no installation other than downloading and running it |
| 02:11.28 | gn00b | used it before |
| 02:11.33 | nvz | great |
| 02:12.12 | en1gma | now when i click on the kernel i want it grabs the headers too? |
| 02:12.22 | Wyzard | en1gma: no, those are packged separately |
| 02:12.28 | en1gma | ok looking now |
| 02:12.34 | Wyzard | en1gma: linux-headers |
| 02:12.46 | nvz | gn00b: you will want to login from putty and restart the login manager /etc/init.d/gdm restart right away and login locally and try get it to lockup again.. then you will want to look at the X logs, kernel messages /var/log/messages and dmesg output for anything obvious for starters |
| 02:12.58 | en1gma | and they have to match perfect right? |
| 02:13.02 | Wyzard | yes |
| 02:13.08 | gn00b | ok |
| 02:13.48 | en1gma | when using synaptic to search for "kernel-image" it dont say the exact kernel number |
| 02:13.49 | nvz | gn00b: you will want to read the end of the logs for starters then if nothing jumps out at the time of the incident might need to pastebin those logs and have someone help you look through them for hardware or configuration anomalies |
| 02:13.50 | en1gma | just 2.6 |
| 02:14.27 | en1gma | kernel-image-2.6-amd64-k8 |
| 02:14.27 | Wyzard | en1gma: The one that just mentions "2.6" is a metapackage which depends on the default version, currently 2.6.18 |
| 02:14.36 | Wyzard | en1gma: There should also be a 2.6.18 and 2.6.20 one |
| 02:14.39 | en1gma | ah ok i dont want that |
| 02:15.10 | Wyzard | en1gma: It's a good idea to have that installed anyway, since it'll cause your system to automatically install new kernel versions when they become the default |
| 02:15.41 | Wyzard | en1gma: currently it depends on 2.6.18, but in the future it'll depend on 2.6.20 or 2.6.21 instead, and then future versions as time goes on |
| 02:15.42 | nvz | I've gotta run down to the bar and meet my father.. gn00b has just installed debian 4.0 w/ 2.6.18-4-486 he is having fairly random keyboard freezes when using gnome.. he's got a windows box handy for ssh diagnostics.. so help him out people :P |
| 02:15.47 | Wyzard | en1gma: It's linux-image, btw, not kernel-image |
| 02:15.53 | en1gma | ahh ok |
| 02:16.00 | gn00b | thanx |
| 02:16.09 | regulate_ | gn00b: only gnome? |
| 02:16.09 | Wyzard | en1gma: kernel-image stuff is backward-compatibility stuff for upgrades from sarge |
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| 02:16.20 | regulate_ | gn00b: have you tried other window managers |
| 02:16.21 | en1gma | i put in search "2.6.20" and it shows the headers and images but i see quite a bit of other stuff too |
| 02:16.23 | gn00b | so far. it's a brand new installation |
| 02:16.29 | gn00b | only a few minutes old |
| 02:16.30 | en1gma | do i need to grab anthing in there |
| 02:16.35 | gn00b | not yet |
| 02:16.50 | Wyzard | en1gma: You need the linux-image and the linux-headers for whatever your processor type is |
| 02:16.52 | nvz | regulate_: he's told me no troubleshooting other than just rebooting to get a few minutes more use so far |
| 02:16.56 | en1gma | ok |
| 02:17.04 | en1gma | thats easy enough |
| 02:17.10 | en1gma | i seen some aes stuff and wasnt sure |
| 02:17.12 | regulate_ | gn00b: special keyboard? |
| 02:17.15 | gn00b | i just sshd'd in, and now i'm using gnome waiting for the keyboard to freeze up on me so that i can read the log files |
| 02:17.15 | en1gma | grabbing now |
| 02:17.18 | nvz | regulate_: he has a windows box handy next to it so i suggested installing putty on it to diag through ssh instead of rebooting all the time |
| 02:17.28 | gn00b | hp keyboard |
| 02:17.33 | Wyzard | en1gma: Do you understand what I said earlier, btw, that the newer nVidia driver won't necessarily fix the incompatibility with 2.6.20? |
| 02:18.08 | en1gma | i think it ran great in kanotix 2.6.20-10 |
| 02:18.11 | Wyzard | en1gma: but it will, however, screw with your OpenGL libraries if you install it with nVidia's installer script rather than a package |
| 02:18.17 | gn00b | regulate_, are any other wm's installed by default or only gnome? |
| 02:18.23 | Wyzard | en1gma: Kanotix's kernel probably had paravirtualization disabled |
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| 02:18.35 | en1gma | yea "Kano" had a special installer script |
| 02:18.38 | regulate_ | by default nothing is installed |
| 02:18.41 | en1gma | wonder if it will work with this |
| 02:18.48 | gn00b | just froze |
| 02:18.54 | Wyzard | en1gma: The bug is in 2.6.20's paravirtualization support being marked GPL-only when it shouldn't be -- it's not an nVidia driver bug, it's a kernel bug |
| 02:19.17 | en1gma | well it did work |
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| 02:19.28 | en1gma | i can always revert |
| 02:19.33 | en1gma | wont delete it yet |
| 02:19.37 | regulate_ | turn off paravirt |
| 02:19.39 | Wyzard | en1gma: You can revert the kernel, sure |
| 02:19.47 | regulate_ | you really dont need it |
| 02:19.57 | Wyzard | en1gma: but it's not so easy to revert a manual non-packaged installation of nVidia's driver |
| 02:19.58 | en1gma | i never even heard of that option for vcards |
| 02:20.08 | regulate_ | its not a vcard option |
| 02:20.11 | Wyzard | regulate_: Is it a module that can be unloaded? |
| 02:20.17 | regulate_ | uhh |
| 02:20.23 | Wyzard | regulate_: Or does it require a rebuild? |
| 02:20.30 | en1gma | you think the script Kano made for kanotix will work with this install? it is debian based after all and works great |
| 02:20.33 | regulate_ | rebuild afaik |
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| 02:21.01 | sn0 | en1gma no joy yet? |
| 02:21.09 | en1gma | yea i having fun |
| 02:21.10 | en1gma | :) |
| 02:21.20 | sn0 | there is a patched installer to get around that 2.6.20 bug/feature |
| 02:21.29 | en1gma | nice* |
| 02:21.34 | Wyzard | en1gma: Having no idea what the script actually *does*, and knowing that Kanotix is not supported in #debian, I have no opinion on whether it'll work but personally I wouldn't use it |
| 02:21.48 | sn0 | but its not nvidia-glx, its the nvidia.com one so its not as "clean" as a deb file |
| 02:22.07 | Wyzard | en1gma: my choice would be to custom-compile 2.6.20 with paravirt disabled |
| 02:22.26 | en1gma | crap i just installed it and havent restarted |
| 02:23.01 | sn0 | i used the method on http://www.debianhelp.org/node/6880 |
| 02:23.09 | en1gma | sn0 thanks for link |
| 02:23.41 | sn0 | not the actual kernel compile but the patched link in the comments underneath |
| 02:23.47 | sn0 | its up to you which you want to do |
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| 02:24.17 | sn0 | indeed Wyzard |
| 02:24.29 | sn0 | "at least its not ati" ;/ |
| 02:24.29 | en1gma | isnt there an option in xorg that i can disable that paravirt |
| 02:24.34 | en1gma | :) |
| 02:24.39 | sn0 | its a kernel feature |
| 02:24.53 | gn00b | regulate_, now i'm stuck. the logs look ok to me, but i don't really know what i'm looking for. but the keyboard has frozen and the mouse will still move, but not responding to anything clicked |
| 02:24.58 | sn0 | so asit says you can edit/hack at the kernel source, or edit/hack at the installer to get around it |
| 02:25.05 | en1gma | debian lets you make adjustments to kernel from that same running kernel dont it |
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| 02:25.23 | sn0 | not sure what you mean but to change kernel is recompile |
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| 02:26.04 | en1gma | ok let me reboot with this kernel...synaptic dloaded and installed that kernel...do i need to do "update grub" or did it do it |
| 02:26.19 | sn0 | it should update/say in the details |
| 02:26.35 | en1gma | crap i didnt look |
| 02:26.36 | en1gma | 1 sec |
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| 02:27.19 | lil_cain | I have a problem, screen can no longer write to /var/run/utmp on my system... |
| 02:27.37 | lil_cain | any ideas where I'd go about looking for some kind of a fix for this? |
| 02:27.47 | en1gma | it dont say anything about grub |
| 02:28.27 | en1gma | ill just reboot |
| 02:28.29 | en1gma | brb |
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| 02:31.31 | NefariousPrior | Is trolling allowed in here? |
| 02:31.56 | gravity | no |
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| 02:32.54 | en1gma | sup |
| 02:32.59 | NefariousPrior | shucks |
| 02:34.53 | en1gma | well dmraid still dont have the perf that i was getting with kanotix but it is better with the 2.6.20 then the 2.6.18 |
| 02:35.04 | en1gma | was getting 28MBs now gettin 70MBs |
| 02:35.10 | en1gma | should be getting 200MBs |
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| 02:35.46 | en1gma | and it would be nice to turn joins/parts off with gaim |
| 02:35.52 | en1gma | is it easy to do |
| 02:36.38 | Ronin | en1gma: very easy, dont use gaim |
| 02:37.01 | Ronin | at least not for irc |
| 02:37.28 | karsten | kIs ther anything which does at the commandline what the Repaginate plugin does for firefox? |
| 02:37.45 | en1gma | i dont see an irc client that comes with debian/gnome default install |
| 02:37.47 | en1gma | so i just used it |
| 02:38.00 | Ronin | en1gma: irssi, scrollz, bitchx, xchat,ummmmmm |
| 02:38.03 | en1gma | i usually use konversation but i figure hey...lets give gaim a try |
| 02:38.06 | karsten | Look through a given HTML page and stitch together a bunch of "next" links into one page. |
| 02:38.08 | DawnLight | hhmmm.... i'm done configuring my kernel. now i understand i should use make-kpkg? |
| 02:38.12 | karsten | !tell en1gma about search |
| 02:38.16 | en1gma | i like it so far |
| 02:38.18 | karsten | !tell en1gma about installit |
| 02:38.23 | karsten | DawnLight: Yes. |
| 02:38.25 | Ronin | en1gma: gaim is decent though for things like msn and icq |
| 02:38.33 | sn0 | pidgin is in sid en1gma , now that gaim has renamed |
| 02:38.33 | karsten | en1gma: irssi here. |
| 02:38.50 | en1gma | well its working (gaim) great so far...just dont like the joins/parts |
| 02:38.53 | karsten | Ronin: gaim is mostly really fucking annoying, until you install the "remove the annoying features" stuff. Sec... |
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| 02:38.56 | en1gma | fix that and id be happy |
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| 02:39.13 | Ronin | karsten: same as all im clients though i find |
| 02:39.14 | karsten | en1gma: /ignore #debian joins parts |
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| 02:39.36 | en1gma | copying and pasting that into my linux commands. thanks |
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| 02:40.43 | nvz | gn00b: its not responding to clicks but it moves? |
| 02:41.03 | en1gma | also trying out the epiphany web browser...im usually a firefox guy but i like to try new stuff....can it do flash and java pretty good |
| 02:41.22 | NefariousPrior | Anyone have any idea when etch will replace Gaim with Pidgin ? |
| 02:41.33 | nvz | NefariousPrior: never |
| 02:41.45 | en1gma | will pidgin have myspace IM support |
| 02:42.02 | nvz | en1gma: nothing in the works that I've heard of.. |
| 02:42.15 | karsten | en1gma: http://gaim-extprefs.sourceforge.net/ep.shtml Extended preferences. I kill pretty much everything for using GAIM w/ IM/YIM, AIM, Jabber. |
| 02:42.18 | en1gma | kool...checking for a friend that im converting to linux |
| 02:42.20 | NefariousPrior | nvz: Umm, Pidgin is stable, gaim is beta. I couldn't imagine debian using beta software forever. |
| 02:42.36 | en1gma | but i like it too |
| 02:42.38 | nvz | NefariousPrior: Etch is frozen no additions can be made other than security fixes.. its policy |
| 02:42.53 | karsten | en1gma: I want: Text of the channel. An edit box. Maybe an indication as to who's present and/or what channel I'm in. Everything else iss jusp ;lain fucking annlying. |
| 02:42.59 | nvz | NefariousPrior: Pidgin would be brought into Sid, and more than likely released with Lenny |
| 02:43.01 | gn00b | nvz, yes |
| 02:43.03 | karsten | erm. Is just plain ... |
| 02:43.14 | en1gma | thnx for that link |
| 02:43.16 | NefariousPrior | nvz: Frozen. I didn't know debian did that with etch being so new to stable. |
| 02:43.17 | en1gma | nice |
| 02:43.29 | nvz | gn00b: beginning to sound like a hardware problem.. this is what I meant by strange mouse behavior |
| 02:43.31 | gn00b | nvz, ssh'd in, nothing looks weird, but then again, i don't know what i'm looking for |
| 02:43.33 | karsten | en1gma: http://diveintomark.org/archives/2006/06/26/essentials-2006 |
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| 02:43.59 | karsten | en1gma: That's Mark Pilgrim's page for his switch to Ubuntu (an ancient African word meaning ?can?t install Debian?), but the apps he lists are ones you might want to take a look at. |
| 02:44.00 | nvz | NefariousPrior: once something is stable its archives are frozen packages cannot be added, version numbers cannot be changed, only appended with security revision numbers |
| 02:44.00 | en1gma | yea its definately not a full featured irc client but hey it beats chatzilla |
| 02:44.01 | en1gma | :) |
| 02:44.25 | karsten | en1gma: Swap Kontact Mozilla Thunderbird (cedove in Debian) and you're set. |
| 02:44.33 | karsten | s/cdedove/icedov). |
| 02:44.38 | NefariousPrior | Couldn't replacing gaim with Pidgin be a security issue beign that gaim is beta?... and therefore a candidate for security updates? |
| 02:44.52 | nvz | gn00b: well now that you know the mouse is in fact acting strange I'd cat the mouse device node and see if the clicks are in fact registering in the kernel and X is ignoring them or if they are never being recieved |
| 02:44.54 | en1gma | yea will make note of that too |
| 02:45.35 | en1gma | man i always hated gnome...ive tried it a few times here and there over the years but last time i tried it was prob (really 4-5 years ago) it has come along way |
| 02:45.40 | en1gma | its actually nice |
| 02:45.52 | en1gma | i used to use fluxbox |
| 02:45.55 | en1gma | then KDE |
| 02:45.58 | nvz | gn00b: /dev/input/mice should be common for all mice, but the legacy node is /dev/psaux |
| 02:46.15 | Ronin | you left fluxbox for kde?? on purpose? |
| 02:46.20 | Ronin | NefariousPrior: then tweak it |
| 02:46.21 | karsten | en1gma: I prefer KDE to GNOME, point n00bs at xfce4, and run WindowMaker myself. |
| 02:46.21 | xarquid | lol |
| 02:46.27 | sn0 | nite |
| 02:46.32 | karsten | NefariousPrior: I'd think about it if it didn't suck and hate smart people. |
| 02:46.33 | en1gma | well to tell the truth copy and pasting drove me nuts in fluxbox |
| 02:46.35 | xarquid | enlightenment ftw |
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| 02:46.53 | en1gma | i like to copy and paste from app to app to app |
| 02:47.05 | NefariousPrior | <-- openbox all the way |
| 02:47.10 | en1gma | and from term to text file in flux sucked |
| 02:47.52 | Ronin | en1gma: pardon? |
| 02:48.00 | nvz | NefariousPrior: packages cannot be removed or added.. thats not a security update, thats replacing one package with another.. if a security patch for something in gaim or libgaim in debian is released upstream, there will be a security bullitn, and the corresponding changes to libpurple and pidgin will be put onto Etch's libgaim and gaim respectivly and the security revision number will be incremented by one |
| 02:48.02 | karsten | en1gma: Do you grok X11 copy/paste yet? Just highlight to copy, middle-mouse click to paste. |
| 02:48.02 | Ronin | so to speak |
| 02:48.26 | en1gma | sometimes that works (i like it) but sometimes have to select "Paste" also |
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| 02:48.49 | NefariousPrior | nvz: Seems logicl, but I have never heard of a beta getting an update. They just move to the next version. |
| 02:48.59 | nvz | NefariousPrior: thats how debian security policy works.. do you seriously thing etch is using Mozilla-Firefox 1.5.0? hell no.. it just says that because thats policy.. it has countless fixes from upstream versions but debian policy states the version number stay the same |
| 02:49.17 | en1gma | have you ever noticed that "clipboard" has (2) buffers? |
| 02:49.27 | en1gma | one for middle mouse and other for right click paste... |
| 02:49.32 | NefariousPrior | hmm |
| 02:49.38 | karsten | en1gma: There are multiple clipboards with slightly varying interfaces to them. I haven't fully sorted that myself, just know that some apps bridge thee gap, so to speak. I'll ocasionally fire up ned(which does C-c/C-v and X copy/paste) to transfer between some apps (usually OpenOffice) and terms. |
| 02:49.40 | nvz | NefariousPrior: debian's policy doesnt work that way.. our idea is that if something is stable, changing it aside from fixing critical security issues found, is risking making it unstable again |
| 02:49.43 | en1gma | you can actually have to different things in the clipboard mem |
| 02:50.10 | en1gma | to = two |
| 02:50.27 | karsten | en1gma: There are *multiple* clipboards. |
| 02:50.47 | nvz | NefariousPrior: why do you think Etch has Firefox when we changed the name to Iceweasel.. etch was already too close to being released, the repos were already frozen and bug squishing for release had already begun at the time that decision was made |
| 02:50.51 | en1gma | ahhh...well i hate it when i close the app after i "copy" then i go to try and paste and its not there |
| 02:51.01 | en1gma | im just nit picking of course |
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| 02:51.31 | karsten | en1gma: I've got enough 'Nix habits that going to Windows is insanely annoying. |
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| 02:51.37 | en1gma | lol |
| 02:51.39 | en1gma | :) |
| 02:51.59 | karsten | en1gma: Similarly, enough bash habits that using csh or tcsh (or Bourne or ksh) is also a PITA. Given that four of thsoe are standard on several platforms we use here ... |
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| 02:52.16 | Ronin | karsten: try working all day on xp then going home to debian, or sshing into a linux box |
| 02:52.21 | en1gma | if someone would hurry up with that dx10 wrapper then i would be in linux "ALL" the time |
| 02:52.32 | Buck | how can I install a source of an installed package? |
| 02:52.38 | Buck | or the source even |
| 02:52.46 | nvz | NefariousPrior: once a debian release becomes frozen it will continue to be squashed until all release critical bugs are closed, then it is released, and no futher changes are made without sole discression of the debian security team.. which as I stated only serves to patchup critical security flaws.. and this will happen for some time after its moved into old-stable then the distro becomes obsolete. |
| 02:52.52 | en1gma | im a gamer so at this point i have to have windows...i know about winex/cedega....but hell DX10 games are coming and thats going to be a while |
| 02:53.46 | nvz | only commercial games I play are console games. |
| 02:53.53 | en1gma | does debian use "fix-res 1680x1050" ? |
| 02:53.54 | NefariousPrior | nvz: Might you happen to know the stability of lenny? e.g. Will it even install ? |
| 02:54.04 | karsten | en1gma: Debian annoys me least out of any OS I've used. And I've used lots. CPM, DOS, MVS (TSO/ISPF), CM, VMS, Win3x, Mac from the early days on, Mac 8/9, OS X, SunOS, Solaris, HPUX, AIX, Irix, Linux (RH, Debian, SuSE, others), OpenBSD, BSD 4.3 (or was it 3.4?), others probably. |
| 02:54.09 | Ronin | NefariousPrior: it will certainly install |
| 02:54.13 | karsten | Ronin: No. Thank. You. |
| 02:54.14 | nvz | NefariousPrior: sure |
| 02:54.47 | karsten | Ronin: Wiped Windows off the work-issued laptop Real Quick. |
| 02:54.48 | NefariousPrior | Is there anything I should know about Leny before I try to install it? Major issues to look out for? |
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| 02:55.18 | nvz | NefariousPrior: what happens is new packages like the one you mentioned Pidgin, have to be added at the top, Sid/Unstable then after like 10 days I think it is without release critical bugs they can be moved into the current testing branch (lenny) as long as it hasn't been frozen for bug squishing pendnig release |
| 02:55.19 | en1gma | debian is a little to nice...i like to get my hands dirty sometimes and slackware does that pretty good...never heard of a pre-compiled kernel until the first time i tried debian....it was nice but kind of takes a little fun out of building |
| 02:55.46 | en1gma | i do like grub 10x better then lilo |
| 02:55.48 | en1gma | :) |
| 02:55.57 | Ronin | en1gma: nothings stopping you from getting jiggy with debian |
| 02:56.06 | karsten | Ronin: When I absolutely _must_ use it, Cygwin goes on Right Quick. And PuTTY. |
| 02:56.17 | nvz | NefariousPrior: what I think you should understand is how the process of debian development works.. at least the basics I have explained to you so far.. and also how to use the BTS and how to resolve basic package breakage.. dependancy loops..etc |
| 02:56.19 | DawnLight | Do i need to "Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd" ?? |
| 02:56.36 | nvz | NefariousPrior: if yu are going to try testing/unstable that is |
| 02:56.44 | karsten | Ronin: ... and a number of other things. Prefer to keep it at at least an arm's length using rdesktop these days. |
| 02:56.46 | NefariousPrior | nvz: You had me all the way up to BTS. |
| 02:56.48 | en1gma | yea ill need to read some of the readmes and do it..right now though i got to test that vcard driver out so ill be back in a min |
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| 02:56.52 | en1gma | brb |
| 02:56.56 | karsten | DawnLight: Yes. |
| 02:56.59 | nvz | NefariousPrior: bugs.debian.org the Bug Tracking System |
| 02:57.01 | brazil | fuck all |
| 02:57.04 | NefariousPrior | ahh |
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| 02:57.08 | DawnLight | thanks karsten! |
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| 02:57.26 | nvz | NefariousPrior: how you will report the errors you find, after of course looking up the package and making sure there isnt already a bug open for that issue |
| 02:57.33 | CaT[tm] | is there a package that'll convert utf8 output into, say iso8859-1 (and the reverse for input)? |
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| 02:57.51 | brazil | fuck all |
| 02:57.54 | NefariousPrior | nvz: Of course, duplicate bug reports hurt evelopment. |
| 02:58.00 | NefariousPrior | d* |
| 02:58.08 | brazil | NefariousPrior fuck you |
| 02:58.12 | karsten | CaT[tm]: iconv, part of glibc |
| 02:58.18 | nvz | NefariousPrior: yeah they do.. you can append a bug report, and if you dont, the maintainer will just merge them anyway |
| 02:58.23 | NefariousPrior | Did someone say Troll? lol |
| 02:58.27 | karsten | brazil: NefariousPrior Cool it. |
| 02:58.34 | Ronin | NefariousPrior: brazil play nice kids |
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| 02:58.51 | nvz | NefariousPrior: you will also probably want to install apt-listbugs before upgrade.. this nifty tool will automagically query the bts for each package apt tries to fetch and will warn you before agreeing to install them of known issues filed against those packages |
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| 02:59.22 | karsten | Ronin: rdesktop is an implementation of remote desktop. It counts as an access concurrence. I've used it both as remote desktop (takes over console) and on a terminal server (uses a CACL instance). |
| 02:59.27 | NefariousPrior | nvz: wow, that is cool. |
| 02:59.30 | brazil | Ronin Wht? |
| 02:59.31 | nvz | NefariousPrior: then of course you will have to lookup those bug numbers and make sure that the version numbers match the package you are installing and are relevant to your architecture..etc.. becasue apt-listbugs only shows the bug number and a breif description |
| 02:59.31 | CaT[tm] | karsten: close. that's for static files unfortunately. I was hoping for an ssh wrapper of sorts. |
| 02:59.50 | Buck | how can I install the sqlite source code via apt-get ? |
| 02:59.54 | DawnLight | is "kernel_image" literal, or does it stand for something i need to type in? |
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| 03:00.11 | NefariousPrior | karsten, Ronin: I don't recall ever speaking to brazil before you insulted me. I don't see how it is I that should "cool it". but whatever. |
| 03:00.12 | karsten | CaT[tm]: That's why Ghod invented pipes. |
| 03:00.15 | Ronin | karsten: nice, that should mess up my coworkers nicely when they use the lapto and go huh??? |
| 03:00.31 | nvz | NefariousPrior: some people may have filed a bug that only applies to them, because they are mixing woody, etch, sarge, breezy, lenny, sid, and experimental sources.. heh.. so you actually have to read the reports and use your own judgment to figure out if you want to update that package or hold it |
| 03:00.33 | Ronin | NefariousPrior: i insulted you? trust me you'd know if i did that |
| 03:00.34 | CaT[tm] | karsten: point. lets see how well that works out. |
| 03:00.47 | geostigma | hey i just installed debian, when i try to use the sudo command it says my user is not listed in the sudoers? |
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| 03:00.53 | NefariousPrior | Ronin: err, s/you/he |
| 03:00.56 | geostigma | how can i get my user name to use sudo? |
| 03:00.58 | Ronin | heh |
| 03:01.02 | nvz | NefariousPrior: you want to update&upgrade as frequently as possible when using testing/unstable however you want to do so wisely. |
| 03:01.08 | karsten | NefariousPrior: We'll assume that if the reprimand wasn't needed it won't be misinterpreted. |
| 03:01.14 | brazil | NefariousPrior Ronin Brazil, better place of the world its nerd's |
| 03:01.15 | karsten | geostigma: man visudo |
| 03:01.39 | CaT[tm] | karsten: that don't work so well. oh well. |
| 03:01.40 | geostigma | is that a command? |
| 03:01.42 | nvz | NefariousPrior: this is why you need to know the BTS, and helps to know how to pin and hold packages that you do not want to upgrade.. the BTS will give you clues as well as hanging out in IRC as to what upgrades might break your system |
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| 03:02.14 | karsten | q!ops brazil troll |
| 03:02.25 | karsten | !ops brazil troll |
| 03:02.25 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: karsten complains about: brazil troll |
| 03:02.34 | NefariousPrior | nvz: So am I to write down what packages I find to be borken to remember notto install them or is there some software mechanism? |
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| 03:02.45 | brazil | dpkg ? |
| 03:03.14 | karsten | brazil: if you've got something positive to contribute, or a relevant question |
| 03:03.17 | karsten | to Debian, please do so. Else behave yourself or leave. |
| 03:03.25 | Ronin | brazil: do you have a debian question? |
| 03:03.34 | nvz | NefariousPrior: well generally speaking you have to have a fairly good balance of how avoid problems, how to solve problems, and how to get more help |
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| 03:03.54 | nvz | NefariousPrior: how to use the mailing lists, how to contact and interact with the maintainers.. |
| 03:04.11 | Ronin | NefariousPrior: how to ask a smart question, no insult intended |
| 03:04.12 | karsten | CaT[tm]: I don't know that theres' a wrapper but you could probably write one pretty trivially. Explain your need more clearly might help. |
| 03:04.18 | karsten | CaT[tm]: Anyhow, it's quitting time. |
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| 03:04.40 | xarquid | hey karsten |
| 03:04.44 | CaT[tm] | karsten: I need to go from aterm on sarge to an etch server |
| 03:04.56 | NefariousPrior | nvz: Aye, that I understand. It's a lot of work, but helps debian in the long run if done correctly. |
| 03:05.03 | CaT[tm] | karsten: aterms lack of utf8 support is getting in the way. :/ |
| 03:05.03 | brazil | karsten Ronin NefariousPrior Personal excuse, I mook a mistake myself here |
| 03:05.09 | nvz | NefariousPrior: using testing/unstable distros you should be thinking along the lines that you are now working for debian.. you are now a tester.. so you have to be acting like one.. people will still help you in here, but they are not only going to expect you to know more, but they are going to expect you to be more patient cause nobody developers or the users here ever claimed that testing/unstable software packages were going to work. |
| 03:05.40 | Ronin | nice nvz :) |
| 03:06.09 | NefariousPrior | nvz: I know. My questions would be "how do I do this", not "why won't thi work". hehe |
| 03:06.11 | brazil | :)))))))))) |
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| 03:06.29 | Ronin | !beer stew |
| 03:06.36 | karsten | CaT[tm]: Ah. Set your locale appropriately on the remote (or local) side. 'C' should be a safe default. |
| 03:06.37 | Ronin | and one for me too |
| 03:06.44 | stew | brazil: i've silenced you for 10 minutes for being off-topic. in the future please keep it strictly on topic |
| 03:07.05 | rokra | Please the mail log are coming in mail.log and syslog file , how to remove them from the syslog? |
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| 03:07.10 | NefariousPrior | Yuengling happens to be from my home town and only made here. |
| 03:07.41 | Ronin | NefariousPrior: courier me some :) |
| 03:07.55 | nvz | NefariousPrior: yeah well they drink it all over the place.. its pretty popular |
| 03:08.01 | NefariousPrior | i know |
| 03:08.17 | karsten | CaT[tm]: 'LC_ALL=C' in your .bashrc or something like that. I do this with a hostname check or OS check here since we've got a gazillion different platforms with varying locale support |
| 03:08.24 | NefariousPrior | Ronin: Come down here and you can have a free tour with all the beer you want. |
| 03:08.31 | nvz | I didn't particularly care for it.. but then I don't really like drinking alcohol much anyhow |
| 03:08.49 | karsten | CaT[tm]: You might also need to remap your $TERM variable to something generic like 'xterm' or 'vt100'. And export those for best effect. |
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| 03:09.15 | geostigma | how do i put my user in the sudoers file? |
| 03:09.18 | geostigma | with visude? |
| 03:09.42 | nvz | geostigma: visudo, yes |
| 03:09.57 | geostigma | where do i put the user name ? |
| 03:10.07 | Guerin | geostigma: man sudoers |
| 03:10.15 | karsten | geostigma: Yes. You'll need root's password initially to do that, or assistance of someone with exsiting root access/perms/privs. |
| 03:10.34 | geostigma | i have it |
| 03:10.34 | Guerin | don't be adding sudoers without understanding the consequences |
| 03:10.39 | nvz | geostigma: on a line by itself you might want to look around for a howto online if you're new.. that sudoers manpage is rather confusing if you dont already know how sudoers works |
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| 03:10.58 | geostigma | its just am not aloud to use apt-get or anything? |
| 03:11.09 | timthelion | is there a command line scanner utility? I want to pass a file name, and have the scanner scan to that file. |
| 03:11.09 | karsten | geostigma: Should be an existing root line. Copy that and substitute your username for the simplest config. Eg: your_usernameALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 03:11.11 | nvz | geostigma: and as Guerin said.. tooling with sudoers without at least a green belt in sudo isnt wise |
| 03:11.54 | karsten | Guerin: You find me a box and I'll let you own it periodically. |
| 03:12.24 | karsten | Guerin: ... and with that I think I've overstayed my welcome.... |
| 03:12.30 | Guerin | nvz: it is, if you configure it like karsten advises |
| 03:12.32 | karsten | NefariousPrior: It's a tool, use it for better or worse. |
| 03:12.32 | nvz | geostigma: how would you like it to work? use your user password for apt-get, or you can have a ticket system where you sudo -v (verify) to allow you to run sudo apps, then when you're done doing administration you can sudo -k to cash in your ticket.. or you can just have nopassword at all |
| 03:12.35 | Guerin | karsten: you had a welcome? |
| 03:12.46 | Guerin | NefariousPrior: used properly it's fine. |
| 03:12.51 | karsten | Guerin: Hush, sweetheart. |
| 03:13.51 | geostigma | having no password at all, is tht a security risk? |
| 03:13.51 | Guerin | geostigma: not if you're rms |
| 03:13.51 | nvz | geostigma: well you are only supplying no password for that single application |
| 03:13.51 | nvz | geostigma: and they have to compromise your account first |
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| 03:13.51 | NefariousPrior | Guerin: Kinda like jugling chainsaws? |
| 03:13.51 | nvz | geostigma: its up to you how much of a risk that is for the ease and comfort |
| 03:13.51 | Guerin | NefariousPrior: I can't think of a sensible use for juggling chainsaws |
| 03:14.16 | xarquid | Entertainment. |
| 03:14.16 | NefariousPrior | hehe, true |
| 03:14.16 | geostigma | i just want to be able to use commands without putting a password in all the time |
| 03:14.16 | Guerin | but sudo is a bit like a chainsaw, yes |
| 03:14.17 | nvz | geostigma: personally I allow myself to run apt-get, aptitude, or synaptic without a password anytime |
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| 03:14.18 | geostigma | i want to do that |
| 03:14.30 | Guerin | it's very dangerous, most people using one don't really know how it works, and while it can be used with delicate control, it's normally not |
| 03:14.32 | geostigma | how do i do that? |
| 03:14.40 | Guerin | geostigma: read man sudoers |
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| 03:14.52 | NefariousPrior | I just always login as root. j/k |
| 03:15.00 | Guerin | geostigma: you need to understand what it is you're doing before you do it., Go read. Now. |
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| 03:15.22 | en1gma | when i try to add "vga=791" to menu.1st and then i update-grub its not staying in there |
| 03:15.28 | xarquid | or go to www.debian-administration.com/articles/33 <--- sudoers |
| 03:15.36 | Guerin | that works too |
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| 03:15.41 | xarquid | sorry, .org* |
| 03:15.50 | Guerin | en1gma: because you didn't actually read the comments in menu.list |
| 03:16.02 | nvz | geostigma: here's an example "nvz ALL=NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/apt-get" now you can list more than one command there you are allowed to run without a password.. use which to figure out the path to the application.. ie. which apt-get returns /usr/bin/apt-get |
| 03:16.03 | en1gma | do i need to do "knopt=vga=791" ? |
| 03:16.07 | en1gma | kopt* |
| 03:16.16 | Guerin | en1gma: suck it and see |
| 03:16.21 | en1gma | brb |
| 03:16.24 | en1gma | thanks |
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| 03:16.48 | nvz | geostigma: I think comma seperation is fine, for multiple commands |
| 03:16.57 | Guerin | !think |
| 03:17.15 | dpkg | Don't think. KNOW. |
| 03:17.15 | geostigma | and i put tht in sudoers? |
| 03:17.16 | nvz | geostigma: visudo does error checking so it'll let you know |
| 03:17.16 | harpi | don't go to Berlin!!!! |
| 03:17.16 | harpi | do NOT run away. |
| 03:17.16 | harpi | make your stand. |
| 03:17.16 | harpi | don't fear. |
| 03:17.16 | harpi | ......!? |
| 03:17.16 | harpi | j.p. |
| 03:17.16 | Guerin | ffs |
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| 03:17.16 | nvz | geostigma: you use visudo, to do so.. |
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| 03:17.27 | geostigma | kk |
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| 03:17.29 | xarquid | well that was interesting |
| 03:18.04 | NefariousPrior | aye, interesting |
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| 03:19.56 | en1gm1 | alright what i need to do |
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| 03:20.04 | en1gm1 | its not staying when i update-grub |
| 03:20.16 | Guerin | en1gm1: you need to read the fucking comments in menu.lst |
| 03:20.25 | en1gm1 | and you dont think i fucking did? |
| 03:20.29 | Guerin | do it again |
| 03:20.33 | en1gm1 | fuck you |
| 03:20.34 | Guerin | it's not rocket science |
| 03:20.39 | harpi | how the hell did i end up here |
| 03:20.56 | Guerin | !htfswk harpi |
| 03:20.56 | dpkg | harpi: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 03:21.10 | en1gm1 | ive used grub before and it never acted like this |
| 03:21.23 | en1gm1 | i was always able to just "vga=ask" then update |
| 03:21.27 | Guerin | en1gm1: yeah, because debian secretly makes grub broken just to piss you off |
| 03:21.33 | Guerin | the maintainer went to all that trouble |
| 03:21.41 | en1gm1 | your an asshole |
| 03:21.43 | en1gm1 | did you notice |
| 03:21.48 | harpi | you mean you dint see my mail to my girlfrind? |
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| 03:21.57 | geostigma | i have edited the sudoers |
| 03:22.03 | Guerin | en1gm1: debian's grub does make auto-magic entries. These are *thoroughly* documented in the file |
| 03:22.07 | geostigma | now i can use sudo with apt-get and it works |
| 03:22.13 | geostigma | but does not ask me for a password |
| 03:22.14 | Guerin | en1gm1: and you are a fuckwit, though you clearly haven't noticed. |
| 03:22.23 | Guerin | better an asshole than a fuckwit, I say |
| 03:22.27 | en1gm1 | i seen it for alternate saves you moron |
| 03:22.55 | Guerin | i seen? |
| 03:23.05 | harpi | cool i'm off |
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| 03:23.10 | en1gm1 | and an asshole cant identify a fuckwit cause your just some shit on someones smelly ass |
| 03:23.17 | en1gm1 | lol |
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| 03:23.31 | Guerin | my just shit? |
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| 03:23.40 | Guerin | how can shit be just? |
| 03:23.44 | amphi | dear ghod,it's not sunday is it? |
| 03:23.56 | Guerin | amphi: rolls around quick, huh? |
| 03:24.05 | amphi | heh |
| 03:24.10 | en1gm1 | what you want a better descriptor? |
| 03:24.25 | Guerin | en1gm1: no, i want you to fuck off and sort your shit out |
| 03:24.29 | en1gm1 | lol |
| 03:24.30 | en1gm1 | ha |
| 03:24.32 | Guerin | if you can |
| 03:24.43 | en1gm1 | i CAN do alot |
| 03:24.47 | en1gm1 | its if i want to |
| 03:25.03 | Guerin | !alot |
| 03:25.03 | dpkg | Yeah, I'd like to allot a lot of time for the slow killing of dumb motherfuckers who think alot is a word. |
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| 03:25.24 | en1gm1 | please dont tell me you are one of those grammer nerds |
| 03:25.35 | Guerin | grammar |
| 03:25.38 | peterS | en1gm1: please use the enter key less often. you can say the same things in fewer lines, and our IRC windows will scroll more slowly, and we'll be happier |
| 03:25.38 | thingfish | it's "grammar" |
| 03:25.39 | en1gm1 | omg its true |
| 03:25.50 | Guerin | yes, I value the ability to read and write |
| 03:25.58 | thingfish | en1gm1: we like literacy in this channel. |
| 03:26.00 | Rusty1 | spelling nerd as well |
| 03:26.06 | Guerin | Rusty1: speling |
| 03:26.09 | peterS | also, en1gm1, Guerin, you're trolling each other, both of you stop it |
| 03:26.14 | en1gm1 | yes you are far superior to all us non grammAr experts |
| 03:26.15 | peterS | in here, at least |
| 03:26.38 | en1gm1 | can do |
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| 03:27.34 | nvz | !yinzersmite en1gm1 |
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| 03:27.45 | nvz | en1gm1: heh, my personal smite :P |
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| 03:28.32 | NefariousPrior | "Gian Iggle Buggy" ? |
| 03:28.38 | nvz | I really gotta come up with some better smites for yinzersmite.. that one there is probaby the hardest of all for people to understand who never been here |
| 03:28.54 | peterS | NefariousPrior: honestly we prefer the +q flag over kickban, no need for troublemakers to actually leave, so long as they can't talk. we do kick spambots, since their problem is having a list of people in the channel to spam |
| 03:29.05 | Guerin | yeah, i can't figure out what a Gian Iggle buggy might be |
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| 03:29.25 | nvz | NefariousPrior: yeah Giant Eagle is a grocery store in north eastern US and around Pittsburgh, PA all the bums dahntahn walk around pshing thier life's belonging s in a buggy fro there |
| 03:29.30 | NefariousPrior | All made perfect sense except "Gian Iggle Buggy" |
| 03:29.44 | Guerin | nvz: holy fuck, you just can't break out of it |
| 03:30.02 | nvz | if you ever been to downtown pittsburgh, especially the northside, near the bus station you will see people pushing em around |
| 03:30.03 | peterS | nvz: ahhh, I was thinking Gian was pronounced 'John'.. |
| 03:30.11 | Guerin | as soon as you start into the yinz, it takes hold! |
| 03:30.32 | nvz | peterS: na.. the company actually recognizes the term Iggle.. they called their video department 'Iggle Video |
| 03:30.41 | Guerin | heh |
| 03:30.42 | NefariousPrior | Giant Eagle, weird. Here we have Publix, Wal-mart, Winn-Dixie, Wal-mart, SweetBay, Wal-mart, Albertson's, and Wal-mart. |
| 03:30.45 | nvz | heh |
| 03:30.47 | peterS | I just got back from spending an evening at a guy's house, he's from picksburg, I could've asked him about gian iggle |
| 03:31.15 | nvz | NefariousPrior: yeah there are lots of Albertson's in Mid-West or southern US |
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| 03:31.23 | nvz | and wal-marts are fucking everywhere |
| 03:31.28 | NefariousPrior | <-- Tampa, Florida |
| 03:32.03 | nvz | there was an Albertsons in Lake Dallas when I was there.. I thought about getting a job there, then I took a look at the employment kiosk and said fuck it |
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| 03:32.21 | peterS | we used to have some albertson's stores, they left town maybe 4 years ago, sold to a cheaper chain (who themselves got sold to another chain since) |
| 03:32.26 | nvz | I hate sitting at a damn kiosk answering the same question phrased 50 different ways |
| 03:32.32 | nvz | I feel like a jackass |
| 03:33.03 | NefariousPrior | I keep seeing ads for "red Robin" on TV here, but there isn't a "Red Robin" anywhere in florida. I had to google it to find out wtf it was. |
| 03:33.27 | peterS | is red robin related to red rover? |
| 03:33.33 | NefariousPrior | nvz: I worked AOL Tech Support. Don't talk to me about feeling like a jackass. |
| 03:34.03 | nvz | peterS: as you might notice. if a syllable ends with a T in pittsburghese we don't pronounce it like a T.. and if its the last syllable we just don't pronounce it at all |
| 03:35.03 | nvz | peterS: hence why we say Picksburgh, but yet they stress on something like dahntahn.. the T is pronounced hard in that word |
| 03:35.07 | dondelelcaro | nvz: yeah, but you should clue everyone in, so it's Gian' |
| 03:35.26 | nvz | dondelelcaro: hmm I thought I did that.. I guess not |
| 03:35.33 | NefariousPrior | Jyin Egul |
| 03:35.37 | nvz | dondelelcaro: last I tried the regex thing wasnt working |
| 03:36.00 | nvz | dpkg, yinzersmite (.*?) ~= s/Gian/Gian'/ |
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| 03:36.09 | nvz | oops :P |
| 03:36.16 | nvz | dpkg, cmd: yinzersmite (.*?) ~= s/Gian/Gian'/ |
| 03:36.24 | nvz | yeah see it ignores it I think |
| 03:36.40 | NefariousPrior | Jyin Egul <-- looks better. heh |
| 03:36.57 | peterS | Iggle Pop |
| 03:37.18 | NefariousPrior | iggle pop ? |
| 03:37.37 | nvz | dondelelcaro: another thing I was wondering.. I tried to get it to call up an nvidia howto factiod the other day, and it wouldnt do it.. the listkeys showed "nvidia howto, _default nvidia howto, #debian nvidia howto, #debian-bots nvidia howto...etc" wtf is with that stuff? |
| 03:38.11 | peterS | NefariousPrior: are you related to RichardPryor? |
| 03:38.21 | NefariousPrior | I'm from the south. bout as south as you can get. If anyoneknows hoe to bastardize the English language it's me. |
| 03:38.27 | nvz | yeah it definatly ignored that regular expression though |
| 03:38.28 | NefariousPrior | peterS: no, heh, why? |
| 03:38.33 | dondelelcaro | nvz: it's the per-channel factoid support |
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| 03:38.51 | nvz | dondelelcaro: ah I wasnt aware of that feature.. it seems to be broken |
| 03:38.52 | NefariousPrior | oooh, the nick |
| 03:39.15 | jmd | It seems that the etch upgrade to emacs21 is broken. |
| 03:39.28 | en1gma | i edited the grub file...strange to leave comments on...anyhow if i "cntrl-alt-backspace" i see the console for a split second then it takes me to the gnome login screen so i login and it takes me back to desktop |
| 03:39.31 | Guerin | jmd: upgrade to emacs21 from what? |
| 03:39.33 | NefariousPrior | peterS: Nefarious(Evil)Prior(Head Preist) |
| 03:39.35 | en1gma | how do i stay in console |
| 03:39.41 | nvz | dondelelcaro: I havent touched my blootbot in ages.. I couldnt get it to work with variables like the yinzersmite.. it was prining $who and $1 and such literally |
| 03:39.51 | Guerin | en1gma: do nothing, there you stay. |
| 03:39.55 | amphi | en1gma: alt-ctrl-f1 or whatever |
| 03:40.00 | jmd | Guerin: presumably from the previous version. |
| 03:40.02 | NefariousPrior | Guerin: You beat me to that one. |
| 03:40.11 | jmd | Or perhaps the problem is with x11-common. |
| 03:40.15 | nvz | dondelelcaro: the reason I say that feature must be broken, is because it won't call up that factoid at all |
| 03:40.25 | nvz | dondelelcaro: and there seems to be 4 versions of it |
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| 03:40.44 | jmd | But whatever, "apt-get install emacs21" refuses to complete. |
| 03:40.53 | en1gma | amphi thanks...but X is still running and i need to isntall nvidia binary driver and X shouldnt be running |
| 03:40.57 | en1gma | just do an init 3? |
| 03:41.04 | Guerin | jmd: the error on paster |
| 03:41.10 | jmd | and "apt-get -f install" doesn't help either. |
| 03:41.11 | Guerin | en1gma: /etc/init.d/?dm stop |
| 03:41.17 | amphi | en1gma: stop whatever ?dm you run with its init script |
| 03:41.19 | jmd | Guerin: http://pastebin.ca/482039 |
| 03:41.30 | Guerin | en1gma: init 3 doesn't do what you think in debian |
| 03:41.32 | en1gma | k thanks both |
| 03:41.32 | amphi | en1gma: eg. /etc/init.d/xdm stop |
| 03:41.36 | en1gma | ok |
| 03:41.45 | en1gma | brb |
| 03:41.52 | en1gma | thanks again both yall |
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| 03:42.20 | Guerin | jmd: what files remain in /usr/X11R6/bin ? |
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| 03:43.01 | jmd | Guerin: #flood |
| 03:43.12 | Guerin | jmd: i don't do #flood |
| 03:43.23 | jmd | ls -l /usr/X11R6/bin/ |
| 03:43.24 | jmd | total 1748 |
| 03:43.24 | jmd | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 8152 2005-06-01 14:03 gtf |
| 03:43.24 | jmd | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 10096 2005-06-01 14:03 ioport |
| 03:43.24 | jmd | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 5152 2005-06-01 14:03 mmapr |
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| 03:43.31 | regulate_ | tsk |
| 03:43.31 | Guerin | ggrr. |
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| 03:43.55 | jmd | Guerin: See? That 's why you should do #flood. |
| 03:44.13 | xarquid | Guerin just means use the site |
| 03:44.17 | xarquid | And not the channel, I think? |
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| 03:44.38 | Guerin | jmd: no, that's why you should read the fucking topic. |
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| 03:45.08 | Guerin | jmd: ok, so either: the old package isn't removing all the files, or there are some files from another package in there |
| 03:45.17 | jmd | Guerin: No. You should. The topic says "USE #flood" |
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| 03:46.07 | Guerin | jmd: i suggest commenting the appropriate lines in whatever script is failing - /var/lib/dpkg/info/x11-common*.preinst |
| 03:46.23 | Guerin | jmd: fuck off and die. I don't do flood. Deal. |
| 03:46.41 | Guerin | jmd: that filename is a guess, but it's something similar to that. |
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| 03:48.38 | jmd | NefariousPrior: It seems not to case how many lines, but how fast you type. |
| 03:48.40 | en1gma | where was xdm stop / dm stop located at |
| 03:48.47 | en1gma | i looked in /etc/rcS.d |
| 03:48.55 | Guerin | NefariousPrior: two is fine. Three gets you snarled at. four gets you kicked. |
| 03:48.59 | amphi | en1gma: /etc/init.d/ |
| 03:49.01 | en1gma | grrr |
| 03:49.03 | en1gma | ok thanks |
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| 03:49.31 | NefariousPrior | Jmd: I could post a multiple line paragraph anf hit "Enter, UP, Enter, etc" |
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| 03:50.16 | jmd | NefariousPrior: Yeah. I once pasted something I thought was very short, and got kicked. |
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| 03:50.36 | NefariousPrior | Would "@reboot startx" work in a crontab ? |
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| 03:50.46 | Guerin | NefariousPrior: eew |
| 03:50.50 | Guerin | why would you? |
| 03:50.58 | NefariousPrior | I knew I'd hear from that one. |
| 03:51.00 | NefariousPrior | lol |
| 03:51.05 | peterS | NefariousPrior: the problem with _that_ is that it won't restart your session if you exit the session |
| 03:51.18 | NefariousPrior | I don't want gnome or kde libs installed and xdm is ugly. |
| 03:51.25 | Guerin | and it'll run as root |
| 03:51.31 | peterS | NefariousPrior: whereas setting up a display manager (xdm or whatever) _will_ restart the session. if you want the display manager to automatically log you in, that can be arranged |
| 03:51.40 | peterS | Guerin: no you could do it in a user crontab |
| 03:51.41 | Guerin | NefariousPrior: put a frob in your profile |
| 03:51.46 | Guerin | peterS: this is true. |
| 03:51.51 | NefariousPrior | frob ? |
| 03:52.11 | Guerin | NefariousPrior: an otherwise-useless snippet of code which tests if X is running, and if not, starts it |
| 03:52.18 | peterS | also, if you think xdm is ugly, you should have seen xdm in vanilla X11R6 before debian got hold of it |
| 03:52.24 | _Rubyxx | I am new to Debian. I want to update my Grub, but have found several files with the same name...should I edit the executable one located in /usr/sbin? |
| 03:52.34 | peterS | it was uglier. though I have to admit, I liked it |
| 03:52.36 | Guerin | _Rubyxx: absolutely not. |
| 03:52.42 | Guerin | !wayttd |
| 03:52.42 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do? |
| 03:53.23 | NefariousPrior | peterS: I havn't used xdm since woody |
| 03:53.57 | peterS | there is something pure about the root_weave background with a plain grey box in the middle (no window decoration of any kind) and a "Welcome to $host" label and a "login:" prompt and _nothing else_ |
| 03:54.01 | _Rubyxx | I want to change the default system....I have a wireless keyboard that I can only configure with Windows |
| 03:54.25 | Guerin | _Rubyxx: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 03:54.34 | Guerin | _Rubyxx: it is self-documenting |
| 03:54.40 | _Rubyxx | thanx |
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| 03:58.54 | DawnLight | I get many warnings when compiling a kernel like this one "drivers/video/matrox/matroxfb_maven.c:718: warning: 'h2' may be used uninitialized in this function" |
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| 04:01.38 | peterS | DawnLight: those kinds of warnings are usually harmless. they're caused by someone doing something clever enough that gcc can't figure out whether it's safe, so it warns that it might not be |
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| 04:02.14 | jmd | Or to put it another way, its caused by sloppy programming. |
| 04:02.29 | peterS | not necessarily |
| 04:02.41 | jmd | almost always. |
| 04:02.51 | peterS | initialising a variable just to shut up gcc is introducing a slight inefficiency. kernel people sometimes care about such things. |
| 04:03.02 | jmd | if nothing else, it shows that the author didn't bother to check his own work. |
| 04:03.07 | peterS | not necessarily |
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| 04:03.18 | peterS | the author probably knows very well that the warning exist but isn't valid |
| 04:03.48 | DawnLight | i don't like warning messages. what about me, huh? i like to see processes going smoothly! |
| 04:04.05 | amphi | jmd: note that the warning says '_may_ be used uninitialized' |
| 04:04.20 | peterS | there are many situations where you need to declare a variable, but it is only initialised and used in certain code paths, and you happen to know that the conditions under which it is used, it is also initialised - but gcc can't see that. |
| 04:04.21 | asg | DawnLight: then send the output to /dev/null. You won't see a thing |
| 04:04.23 | jmd | peterS: int a=0; is costs no more than int a; |
| 04:04.33 | jmd | int a; a=0; however is another matter. |
| 04:04.37 | peterS | jmd: not true, have you looked at the asm? |
| 04:04.53 | jmd | I'm talking about C. |
| 04:04.55 | peterS | int a; a=0; is identical to int a=0; except that it takes an extra source line |
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| 04:05.19 | peterS | you seem to believe the efficiency of your code is related to how many source lines it takes up. that is nonsense. |
| 04:05.27 | jmd | peterS: Only if you're talking about automatic variables. |
| 04:05.37 | peterS | and we _are_ talking about automatic variables |
| 04:05.54 | jmd | are we? I missed that bit. |
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| 04:06.00 | peterS | "may be used uninitised" _always_ means an automatic variable, I believe |
| 04:06.02 | DawnLight | dudes. how will i know if something did went wrong? |
| 04:06.24 | peterS | ...since static variables are always initialised |
| 04:06.53 | DawnLight | then perhaps them programmers should give the compiler some wits |
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| 04:07.07 | jmd | peterS: Not true. Uninitialised static variables are the ones that get put in the bss block. |
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| 04:07.27 | \amethyst | jmd: they're initialized to an all-zero bit pattern |
| 04:07.34 | peterS | jmd: but they are implicitly initialised to zero, so gcc does not warn about that |
| 04:07.48 | asg | DawnLight: you'll know if something went wrong if the build failed |
| 04:07.58 | DawnLight | to me its all magick |
| 04:08.00 | peterS | because gcc knows that you probably know the rule about being initialised to zero, so you're probably doing it on purpose |
| 04:08.25 | jmd | DawnLight: My advice would be to initialise them all, then send a patch to the maintainer. |
| 04:09.04 | DawnLight | jmd: i'm surprised i understood what you just said |
| 04:09.06 | peterS | jmd: well, that's in the category of "add code just to shut up the compiler", and kernel people don't always agree with that approach |
| 04:09.27 | peterS | Linux kernel hackers have a long tradition of arrogance with regards to whether they're smarter than gcc (: |
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| 04:10.04 | DawnLight | they probebly are. isn't there a way for gcc to unserstand the tricks? |
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| 04:10.34 | DawnLight | will this kernel compile take hours? |
| 04:10.43 | pearl | maybe |
| 04:10.48 | peterS | DawnLight: consider this: int temp; if (something) { temp = foo(something); ... } .. ... ... if (something) { make_use_of(temp); } |
| 04:11.00 | xjkx | my mp4 player (a hardware such as ipod, which isnt popular all over the world, but you can guess an ipod) understands a amv format, ok, i couldnt find an avi to amv converter, but what about play? I have w32codecs/mplayer and i cant play |
| 04:11.10 | peterS | DawnLight: gcc will warn you that temp might be used uninitialised, because of the second block. it doesn't notice that the conditions for using temp are the same as the conditions for initialising it |
| 04:11.10 | jmd | peterS: It's true that kernel code and the like requires an extra special diligence with regard to optimisation. However I like to think of the compiler as a tool, rather than a barrier. GCC has many attributes that can be set so that it warns ONLY when it's appropriate to do so. |
| 04:12.03 | DawnLight | why doesn't it notice that? is it stupid? |
| 04:12.28 | jmd | yes. It's stupid. All compilers are. |
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| 04:12.45 | peterS | DawnLight: yes, it is stupid. the alternative answer is "writing compilers that does that kind of deep code path analysis is Really Hard" |
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| 04:13.02 | jmd | If they were clever, then they'd be artificial intelligence engines. |
| 04:13.18 | peterS | right, also known as common lisp compilers/runtimes |
| 04:13.22 | DawnLight | or just really heavy |
| 04:13.37 | asg | DawnLight: if they get too smart, they will eat your head |
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| 04:13.42 | jmd | However in that example, I would use temp as the condition so the warning would never arise. |
| 04:13.44 | DawnLight | xjkx: what format can't you play? |
| 04:14.06 | peterS | DawnLight: also, note that the two if(condition) statements might not use exactly the same condition. the second condition might be a _subset_ of the first. which is still safe, but even harder to analyse |
| 04:15.22 | jmd | If any of my students wrote code like that, then I'd refuse to mark it. |
| 04:15.41 | peterS | jmd: right, well, you could suppress the warning by initialising temp unnecessarily. the question is whether you want to add code whose only purpose is to reduce the warning noise from the compiler, at the expense of generating extra instructions. for most applications, it's a reasonable tradeoff, since cleaning up warnings makes the remaining warnings easier to notice. but it's not the right tradeoff all the time |
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| 04:16.14 | DawnLight | especially when talking about kernel? |
| 04:16.18 | peterS | jmd: the second if statement can't use temp as the condition, since it might or might not be initialised. so you'd still have to add an unnecessary initialisation for your approach to work |
| 04:16.26 | xjkx | DawnLight: .amv, "128x128.amv: RIFF (little-endian) data" |
| 04:16.40 | xjkx | i can play it in my hardware similar to ipod |
| 04:16.43 | xjkx | but not in computer |
| 04:16.55 | xjkx | which is funny, that small thing plays what my machine doesnt |
| 04:17.27 | DawnLight | xjkx: do you have reasonably up to date mplayer+binary_codecs? |
| 04:17.28 | peterS | RIFF is a container format that can contain a lot of types of audio/video data. the most common RIFF-based codec is "wav", PCM data, but there are others |
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| 04:18.27 | xjkx | DawnLight: yes, thats not version thing |
| 04:18.36 | Wyzard | peterS: RIFF WAVE doesn't necessarily contain plain PCM... you can have things like MP3-encoded .wav files |
| 04:18.43 | Wyzard | peterS: afaik, it's just a container for an arbitrary audio codec |
| 04:19.10 | peterS | Wyzard: dude of course you could call any file you want "*.wav", same as you could call it *.jpg and have it be a RIFF file with an mp3 in it. that's a meaningless statement. |
| 04:19.31 | xjkx | DawnLight: i mean, w32codecs, dont know what you mean with binary codecs |
| 04:19.46 | Wyzard | peterS: No, I don't mean renaming an .mp3 to .wav, I mean files with an actual proper RIFF header but whose audio content is encoded with an MP3 codec |
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| 04:20.03 | peterS | Wyzard: .wav is the traditional filename convention for RIFF with PCM in it. if you have a RIFF file with some other codec in it, you give it a different filename. |
| 04:20.51 | Wyzard | peterS: A RIFF file with MP3 audio is not a valid MPEG stream and shouldn't be named ".mp3", though I've come across a few files that were mis-named that way |
| 04:21.08 | peterS | Wyzard: yeah I don't know the right name for that sort of file. but I don't think .wav is any more correct than .mp3 |
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| 04:21.13 | Wyzard | peterS: My point is, it's like .avi but audio-only -- the .wav format can really contain anything' |
| 04:21.22 | peterS | Wyzard: I believe I said that already |
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| 04:21.33 | peterS | the sense that RIFF is a container format |
| 04:21.37 | jnguy | any xfce users here? |
| 04:21.44 | DawnLight | xjkx: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/design7/dload.html |
| 04:21.52 | peterS | but the reason to name something .wav is not just to denote that it is RIFF format |
| 04:22.34 | Wyzard | peterS: I've never seen any other extension used for RIFF files regardless of content (aside from those aforementioned mis-named ".mp3" files) |
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| 04:23.42 | peterS | that does make me wonder why PNG didn't just use the TIFF container format, btw |
| 04:23.52 | peterS | the PNG container and the TIFF container are not all that different |
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| 04:24.08 | Wyzard | peterS: not-invented-here syndrome, I guess :-) |
| 04:24.23 | Wyzard | though I don't know much in detail about TIFF |
| 04:24.25 | peterS | (and indeed I believe TIFF and RIFF aren't all that different, either) |
| 04:25.04 | Wyzard | wouldn't surprise me... I know RIFF can contain multiple "chunks" of different types of data |
| 04:25.15 | peterS | yeah |
| 04:25.40 | peterS | now all we need is an ogg pcm codec |
| 04:25.52 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 04:26.20 | Wyzard | I've seen Vorbis-encoded .wav files, btw |
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| 04:26.35 | peterS | you mean a vorbis stream inside riff? |
| 04:26.38 | Wyzard | yeah |
| 04:26.40 | DawnLight | it's finished building my first kernel :) |
| 04:26.45 | Wyzard | I think they were sound effects for some game, though I'm not sure |
| 04:26.46 | peterS | that's odd. can anything actually read those? |
| 04:27.04 | Wyzard | There's a plugin pack for DirectShow that provides Ogg container and Vorbis codec support |
| 04:27.12 | Wyzard | It's called OggDS |
| 04:27.28 | DawnLight | it's time to reboot! |
| 04:27.43 | Wyzard | People use it for playing OGM files on Windows... it'd probably enable those .wav files to play too |
| 04:28.17 | peterS | only if the directshow plugin knows how to identify a vorbis stream in a riff file. presumably there is an ad hoc standard for that, but whether the software knows this standard, who can say |
| 04:28.49 | Wyzard | Well, the codec is identified by a fourcc |
| 04:28.50 | peterS | riff uses a 32-bit 'type' ID for each stream, right? so the question is allocating a 32-bit type for vorbis audio |
| 04:28.52 | Wyzard | both in AVI and RIFF |
| 04:28.56 | Wyzard | yeah |
| 04:29.00 | Wyzard | There's apparently an established one |
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| 04:29.11 | peterS | but whether this type is unique across _multiple_ container formats - I wouldn't assume that |
| 04:29.48 | Wyzard | I think it is |
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| 04:30.18 | Wyzard | PCM audio in an .avi file works the same way, I believe |
| 04:30.27 | Wyzard | same fourcc (the 32-bit "type" code) |
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| 04:37.00 | Swat2 | any ideas why my /dev/md0 exists but /dev/md1 doesnt |
| 04:37.10 | Swat2 | trying to create a new raid device for md0 |
| 04:37.12 | Wyzard | Swat2: You only have one RAID array? |
| 04:37.12 | Swat2 | but it wont let me |
| 04:37.32 | Swat2 | Wyzard: using mdadm wont let me create md1 |
| 04:37.41 | Swat2 | i got md0 working fine |
| 04:38.07 | Swat2 | but when i trying assemble md1 it complains that /dev/md1 doesnt exist |
| 04:38.12 | Swat2 | have i missed a step? |
| 04:38.29 | Wyzard | Take a look at the --auto option in the mdadm manpage |
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| 04:41.45 | Swat2 | excellent |
| 04:41.48 | Swat2 | cheers! :) |
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| 04:45.35 | DawnLight | well i am running my first home made kernel! |
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| 04:45.50 | amphi | !prize DawnLight |
| 04:46.00 | DawnLight | i want to thank everyone who has helped me |
| 04:46.18 | DawnLight | my parents |
| 04:46.58 | DawnLight | can i call dpkg too? |
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| 04:49.55 | CaT[tm] | gnargh. even if I set LANG to a non utf-8 language dpkg-reconfigure still ouitputs in utf-8 |
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| 04:51.00 | eshaase | my system freezes once every few days and I notice a strange noise that happens everytime (I'm assuming its a broken harddrive as /var/log/messages indicates errors with /dev/hda and /dev/hdc). So I was told to checkout smartmontools which I've used to run three different tests (offline, short and long) on both harddrives and I'm getting no errors, don't know how to further debug this issue, any ideas? |
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| 04:52.49 | hunshad | Hello everyone, I would like to know how to engrave a dvd with k3b on Cd-R |
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| 04:53.35 | Wyzard | hunshad: You can't burn a DVD image on a CD-R... it won't fit |
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| 04:54.08 | CaT[tm] | unless the dvd image is smaller then 800meg ;) |
| 04:54.11 | hunshad | dvd movie * |
| 04:54.13 | DawnLight | eshaase: perhaps the power supply isn't stable? |
| 04:54.29 | Wyzard | hunshad: oh, you mean rip a video DVD and recompress it to something that'll fit on a CD |
| 04:54.41 | hunshad | iyes |
| 04:55.04 | en1gma | which is newer processor k7 or 686....im thinking k7 but not sure |
| 04:55.15 | eshaase | DawnLight: stable enough to provide power to teh hard disks? |
| 04:55.31 | hunshad | it is possible with k3b? |
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| 04:56.12 | Wyzard | hunshad: k3b only handles burning the disc |
| 04:56.25 | Wyzard | hunshad: Most of the work is in preparing what you want k3b to burn -- ripping the video and recompressing it |
| 04:56.39 | hunshad | how i can do that |
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| 04:56.50 | peterS | and k3b doesn't include that functionality? I believe it _does_ include some mastering functionality, like building/copying an audio CD and such things |
| 04:57.14 | Wyzard | peterS: Copying an audio CD, sure, but not recompressing DVD-Video to XviD |
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| 04:57.44 | Wyzard | hunshad: Look into mencoder for the recompression part... other than that, dunno |
| 04:58.06 | hunshad | ok |
| 04:58.09 | hunshad | i will try |
| 04:58.59 | DawnLight | eshaase: it has to stabilize the occasional surges from the line. generic PSUs don't do that well |
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| 04:59.54 | eshaase | DawnLight: so its common to cause hard drive issues? |
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| 05:01.16 | Agrajag- | Wyzard: k3b does do video encoding |
| 05:01.21 | Wyzard | oh? |
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| 05:01.59 | Agrajag- | http://k3b.plainblack.com/videoencoding (i haven't followed the whole conversation to see if that's the functionality what you mean, but i think it is) |
| 05:02.14 | Wyzard | yeah, looks like it |
| 05:02.15 | Wyzard | interesting |
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| 05:05.57 | DawnLight | eshaase: it can do some crazy shit. if the hard-drive gets a surge it may shut down causing a system freeze. a good PSU keeps the flow smooth |
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| 05:06.45 | kirihito | i was wondering why etch is using glibc-2.3.6...are there problems with newer versions? slackware uses an older glibc too. |
| 05:06.50 | eshaase | DawnLight: would that explain it hapenning every few days? |
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| 05:06.54 | eshaase | DawnLight: not sure how common this is |
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| 05:07.40 | Guerin | kirihito: libc is a Big Fucking Deal |
| 05:07.51 | litage | any recommendations as to which encrypted filesystem to use? i'm looking into EncFS, LoopAES, CryptoLoop, etc but haven't used any of them before. i want to use it only for encrypting /home/*/ |
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| 05:07.57 | Guerin | kirihito: new versions (at least, new major versions) are adopted very slowly indeed |
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| 05:09.44 | Wyzard | kirihito: It's not that new versions *have* problems, but that they *might* have problems, and glibc problems have the potential to break the entire system |
| 05:09.56 | Wyzard | kirihito: so glibc is upgraded only very cautiously |
| 05:10.53 | kirihito | i'm just curious cause i saw rhel5 using smething newer..not to say it's any better/worse |
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| 05:11.27 | hunshad | when I finished downloading movie, what it is necessary to make |
| 05:11.39 | hunshad | ok stepby step |
| 05:12.10 | Supaplex | kirihito: all packages in sid/unstable offer only enough assurance to know the package (most likely) built ok. There's a hold off period before it's accepted into testing. when testing goes into a freeze, only security updates and critical bug fixes are accepted, after they are all fixed, we have stable. that's the quick 1m explination on why stable isn't brand-spaking-new. because it's solid and tested. |
| 05:12.21 | Wyzard | kirihito: FC6 and lenny both have version 2.5 |
| 05:12.50 | Wyzard | well, sid has 2.5; dunno if it's propagated to lenny yet, but it will eventually |
| 05:13.02 | Vasistha | I am using etch, and would like to get one small group of packages from the lenny repos. The packages in question -- the fp compiler and a couple units -- are interdependent, having no dependencies outside of their little family. Is it possible to direct apt-get update to only grab udpates for these packages, so my package db doesn't have to be that much bigger? |
| 05:13.38 | Supaplex | Vasistha: you could use pinning, but backports is generally more reliable. |
| 05:13.54 | peterS | Wyzard: lenny doesn't have 2.5 yet |
| 05:14.00 | Vasistha | Supaplex: is pinning going to effect what 'apt-get update' updates in the db, though? |
| 05:14.34 | Supaplex | Vasistha: pinning applies a kind of scoreing to packages, based on what you specify. |
| 05:14.40 | Supaplex | !tell Vasistha -about pinning |
| 05:14.40 | DawnLight | eshaase: well, you can check the memory, too. sometimes it can do wierd things. but i'd go with the PSU first. here is israel the power supply is unstable and motherboards end up toast often. |
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| 05:15.42 | nvz | Vasistha: you would first pin all to etch, then specify each package you want from lenny |
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| 05:15.43 | en1gma | alright...gdm stop is being a bitch |
| 05:15.43 | en1gma | what do i need to do to boot to console |
| 05:15.43 | en1gma | i dont want to boot to X |
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| 05:15.43 | Supaplex | !tell en1gma -about nodm |
| 05:15.47 | Vasistha | en1gma: well, you can take S99?dm out of /etc/rc2.d |
| 05:15.56 | hbasria | I m testing |
| 05:16.21 | en1gma | thats fucking bullshit |
| 05:16.38 | en1gma | you mean to tell me DEBIAN dont want users in console? |
| 05:16.41 | Vasistha | en1gma: maybe you want 'init 1' -- to change your runlevel on the fly to single-user mode |
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| 05:16.50 | Supaplex | en1gma: installing *dm is optional. |
| 05:16.53 | en1gma | i just want to get to a damn console |
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| 05:17.00 | maddash | update-grub keeps resetting my custom kernel parameters inside menu.list everytime I run it. how do I tell it to leave those options alone? |
| 05:17.01 | en1gma | gdm stop is a piece of shit |
| 05:17.07 | Wyzard | en1gma: If you don't ever want to use gdm, uninstall gdm |
| 05:17.14 | nvz | Vasistha: how do you expect to get partial package dbs ? |
| 05:17.15 | en1gma | no i want to use gmd |
| 05:17.16 | Vasistha | en1gma: ctrl+alt+f2 ? |
| 05:17.20 | Supaplex | en1gma: C+A+F1 |
| 05:17.24 | en1gma | no X |
| 05:17.27 | Wyzard | en1gma: If you just want to use a console a the moment, use the function keys |
| 05:17.28 | en1gma | X cant be running |
| 05:17.37 | en1gma | no X |
| 05:17.40 | Vasistha | nvz: I don't know ... actually, I even should have known better, considering I myself have set up a trivial repository :P |
| 05:17.53 | en1gma | i want to build nvidia binary drivers |
| 05:17.58 | en1gma | no X can be running |
| 05:18.03 | Wyzard | en1gma: Switch to a text console, log in and su to root, and "/etc/init.d/gdm stop" |
| 05:18.11 | maddash | en1gma: kill off X manually. |
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| 05:18.21 | Wyzard | en1gma: btw, having X running doesn't prevent you from building nvidia drivers |
| 05:18.21 | Supaplex | en1gma: I know, we'll make a package management system for that. Oh wait, we did that a decade ago. uninstall your unwanted software... |
| 05:18.23 | en1gma | gdm stop is a piece of shit |
| 05:18.30 | nvz | Vasistha: yeah either you have to build your own, or the server would have to dynamically read your mind |
| 05:18.31 | maddash | en1gma: #: `killall X` |
| 05:18.37 | eshaase | DawnLight: ok, thanks |
| 05:18.38 | Vasistha | nvz: I'd like the latter! |
| 05:18.39 | maddash | en1gma: #: `killall X<tab>` |
| 05:18.43 | en1gma | ok let me try that |
| 05:18.45 | Wyzard | en1gma: What would you prefer, a magic "stop GDM" key on your keyboard? |
| 05:18.47 | en1gma | thanks maddash |
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| 05:18.53 | nvz | Vasistha: you could just fetch the packages with wget and dpkg -i |
| 05:19.00 | Wyzard | en1gma: I doubt killing xorg will help... gdm will restart it |
| 05:19.06 | Vasistha | nvz: yeah, I've done that a bit, but it's rather tedious :P |
| 05:19.10 | en1gma | i prefer not to jump through 20 hoops to get to damn console |
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| 05:19.33 | evilgeek | '/etc/init.d/gdm stop' is one hoop, not 20. |
| 05:19.36 | Wyzard | en1gma: Getting to a console consists of pressing Ctrl-Alt-F1 |
| 05:19.37 | Supaplex | well use two brain cells |
| 05:19.39 | en1gma | there should be a shutdown to console icon |
| 05:19.48 | en1gma | no X |
| 05:19.48 | Vasistha | en1gma: so make one. |
| 05:19.50 | Wyzard | en1gma: Stopping GDM is a secondary thing that isn't even necessary |
| 05:19.50 | en1gma | init 3 |
| 05:19.53 | Supaplex | !sucks |
| 05:19.53 | dpkg | Blow me! oh my bad. Were you considering contributing a patch, or filing a wishlist bug for that? |
| 05:19.55 | kirihito | thanks all |
| 05:19.57 | evilgeek | en1gma: why do you even have X installed? |
| 05:20.02 | en1gma | i want X |
| 05:20.06 | en1gma | i just dont want it now |
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| 05:20.15 | evilgeek | okay, so stop X. /etc/init.d/gdm stop. |
| 05:20.29 | en1gma | ok again...gdm stop is a piece of SHIT! |
| 05:20.30 | evilgeek | or killall -9 X. or do the inverse of however you started X. |
| 05:20.36 | evilgeek | how is it "a piece of shit"? |
| 05:20.47 | en1gma | it dont stop and keeps on trying to restart |
| 05:20.48 | evilgeek | it stops gdm. this is what you want, is it not? |
| 05:20.50 | en1gma | and logs me in |
| 05:20.57 | en1gma | and goes to X again |
| 05:21.00 | Supaplex | en1gma: did you stop it as root? |
| 05:21.01 | evilgeek | eek. this sounds like a bug in gdm. |
| 05:21.13 | en1gma | gdm stop can not be stopped as non-root |
| 05:21.14 | evilgeek | (or a user error. most probably a user error.) |
| 05:21.25 | evilgeek | of ocurse you can't stop a system daemon as a normal user. |
| 05:21.34 | en1gma | like i freaking said |
| 05:21.54 | nvz | Vasistha: well in theory I suppose apt could be programmed to have another source type that it doesnt actually get package info for.. but then how could you search or get info on packages before installing them? |
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| 05:22.04 | evilgeek | sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop doesn't seem very hard, either. |
| 05:22.05 | Wyzard | en1gma: Only root can start and stop system services... that's true on any Unix, and even Microsoft is trying to head in that direction |
| 05:22.08 | en1gma | it just came to my attn (thats all) that your not supposed to get to a real console...with no X |
| 05:22.20 | en1gma | Wyzard yes i know |
| 05:22.20 | evilgeek | you're not? |
| 05:22.29 | Wyzard | en1gma: Once again, Ctrl-Alt-F1 |
| 05:22.34 | Wyzard | en1gma: and then stop GDM |
| 05:22.46 | en1gma | ohh let me try that one |
| 05:22.49 | Vasistha | nvz: yeah, yeah... I know what I want is impossible :P actually, if I only had a faster computer, that would probably resolve my problem quite well! |
| 05:22.51 | en1gma | hang on 1 sec |
| 05:22.55 | Wyzard | en1gma: There is absolutely nothing saying you're "not supposed to get to" the console |
| 05:22.57 | evilgeek | finish your tantrum and run /etc/init.d/gdm stop. if it really does what you say, file a bug. |
| 05:23.05 | Supaplex | en1gma: why not deinstall gdm, and use 'startx' when you want to start it. |
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| 05:23.14 | Wyzard | en1gma: You're just whining that a few simple steps is "jumping through 20 hoops" and too difficult for you |
| 05:23.19 | hunshad | how I can change the form Microsoft .avi to engrave it on Cd-R |
| 05:23.29 | Vasistha | hunshad: ask #mplayer |
| 05:23.39 | nvz | Vasistha: just download the damn packages :P |
| 05:23.42 | hunshad | ok |
| 05:23.48 | hunshad | #mplayer |
| 05:23.52 | en1gma | pieceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee of shit |
| 05:24.05 | Vasistha | interesting. I would have said piiiiiiiiiece |
| 05:24.08 | Wyzard | en1gma: How old are you? |
| 05:24.11 | maddash | die update-grub die! it even overwrites kopt! |
| 05:24.15 | Supaplex | en1gma: dpkg -l gdm what version? |
| 05:24.18 | Guerin | Wyzard: fucktard and three months |
| 05:24.28 | en1gma | flcikting me bbbback and fourth |
| 05:24.30 | en1gma | grRRRRRR |
| 05:24.30 | Vasistha | maddash: I back up my menu.lst for that reason :P |
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| 05:25.10 | maddash | Vasistha: that's a fucking hack. one should be able to tell update-grub the default boot options manually. |
| 05:25.11 | en1gma | ii gdm 2.18.1-2 GNOME Display Manager |
| 05:25.11 | en1gma | 2.18.1-2 |
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| 05:25.24 | Guerin | en1gma: we don't care |
| 05:25.44 | dondelelcaro | maddash: uh.. it shouldn't be overwritting the kopt in the menu.lst |
| 05:25.55 | dondelelcaro | maddash: give us your menu.lst so we can see what you're doing |
| 05:25.56 | en1gma | it flicked me back and fourth like 6 times between this blue screen and red highlighted thing that said X appears to be running |
| 05:25.58 | CaT[tm] | ok. possibly a dumb question but is there any way to turn off utf8 use in etch? it's really fscking up when accessed from a sarge terminal |
| 05:26.04 | Vasistha | maddash: backing up is a hack? I *guess* ... I just know that when I realized what update-grub was doing, I decided I needed a backup of my rather complex menu.lst hierarchy |
| 05:26.05 | en1gma | do you want to start another X server |
| 05:26.13 | en1gma | i say no and it keeps on going and going |
| 05:26.15 | dondelelcaro | CaT[tm]: just change your locale |
| 05:26.44 | maddash | Vasistha: no offense. |
| 05:26.45 | CaT[tm] | doesn't work |
| 05:26.45 | dondelelcaro | plus, if you don't like update-grub, you can always disable it |
| 05:26.45 | dondelelcaro | CaT[tm]: yes, it does. |
| 05:26.45 | en1gma | its still doinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng it |
| 05:26.51 | nvz | en1gma: could you stop being a fool? |
| 05:26.55 | Vasistha | someone needs to slap that kid |
| 05:26.56 | en1gma | still |
| 05:27.01 | CaT[tm] | dond: I changed it to en_AU from en_AU.UTF-8 and it still gave me utf8 |
| 05:27.03 | maddash | dondelelcaro: erm, which one? the one update-grub it kills off, or the one it excretes? |
| 05:27.13 | en1gma | if you could see it |
| 05:27.25 | maddash | en1gma: kill off gdm manually, then kill off X |
| 05:27.26 | dondelelcaro | CaT[tm]: the default is UTF-8; you want en_AU.iso8859-1 or similar |
| 05:27.34 | nvz | en1gma: little less key reparting, capital letters, and use of the enter key without compleating a semi-coherant thought. |
| 05:27.39 | CaT[tm] | oh bugger. |
| 05:27.46 | dondelelcaro | CaT[tm]: it'd also help if you told us what locale reported |
| 05:27.50 | dondelelcaro | maddash: both |
| 05:27.59 | en1gma | "the display server has been shutdown at least 6times in last 90 seconds...it appears something bad is going on" |
| 05:28.03 | en1gma | thats what it tells me |
| 05:28.11 | CaT[tm] | dond: lemme try again first. |
| 05:28.13 | dondelelcaro | en1gma: that means that X won't start for whatever reason |
| 05:28.13 | Guerin | en1gma: WE DO NOT CARE |
| 05:28.18 | en1gma | im typing when its flcking |
| 05:28.23 | dondelelcaro | en1gma: check your X log, and figure out why that's happening. |
| 05:28.30 | Guerin | en1gma: if you want help with a specific problem, explain it in detail |
| 05:28.34 | en1gma | Guerin you were warned by an op for trolling please stop |
| 05:28.36 | dondelelcaro | en1gma: if you don't want it to flicker, stup gdm |
| 05:28.41 | en1gma | im not biteing into it |
| 05:28.45 | nvz | en1gma: then stop starting a init.d script |
| 05:28.51 | Guerin | en1gma: bollocks, YOU were warned for trolling, twat. |
| 05:28.52 | en1gma | i did it once |
| 05:28.59 | dondelelcaro | en1gma, Guerin: can both of you stop bickering, please? |
| 05:29.12 | dondelelcaro | use /ignore; it exists for a reason |
| 05:29.13 | en1gma | someone can please read up and see what Guerin is trying to do...just trolling |
| 05:29.16 | Supaplex | namecalling won't make it go away. |
| 05:29.19 | Guerin | yeah, that's me |
| 05:29.23 | CaT[tm] | dond: no matter what I sat LANG to I still get UTF-8. |
| 05:29.29 | Guerin | #debian's number-one troll |
| 05:29.36 | en1gma | Wyzard what you think |
| 05:30.15 | dondelelcaro | CaT[tm]: tell us what locale; reports. |
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| 05:30.34 | CaT[tm] | dond: or to put it another way, output of dpkg-reconfigure is all screwed up irrespective of what I do. for each border char I get 3 chars back. - re locale, by default? |
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| 05:30.50 | en1gma | "waiting for 2minutes before trying to start X again" |
| 05:30.56 | maddash | dondelelcaro: I think I fixed it...the *opt lines are recognized by debian's automagic kernels list, and require a single "# " header |
| 05:31.01 | en1gma | and then it tries 6more times and i get same error |
| 05:31.07 | dondelelcaro | maddash: yes... that's correct. |
| 05:31.08 | en1gma | i got to shut down |
| 05:31.09 | en1gma | brb |
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| 05:31.13 | Wyzard | en1gma: I think you're either doing something wrong or not telling the whole story, because I just ran "/etc/init.d/gdm stop" as root from a text console on my laptop, and X stopped immediately and uneventfully |
| 05:31.42 | maddash | dondelelcaro: I initally assumed that the "#" meant a comment. let me reboot to test it. |
| 05:31.44 | Guerin | the problem is that he doesn't know what he's doing and has fucked up half of his init scripts |
| 05:31.55 | Guerin | if it's the same guy as yesterday |
| 05:31.55 | dondelelcaro | maddash: in general, you just change those and rerun update-grub. You can of course decide to do it all manually and totally disable update-grub |
| 05:32.04 | Wyzard | Guerin: yeah, and this whole thing is because he wants to install a non-packaged newer nVidia driver |
| 05:32.07 | CaT[tm] | dond: locales output changes to whatever I set LANG to (if I set it to C then all but LC_ALL (which remains empty) is set to C, for example). |
| 05:32.09 | Guerin | right |
| 05:32.18 | Wyzard | Guerin: because he thinks it'll fix the incompatibility with paravirt in 2.6.20 |
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| 05:32.31 | Wyzard | and he doesn't even need to stop X anyway |
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| 05:32.44 | maddash | dondelelcaro: meh. no need to reboot. debian automagically appended the contents of "defoptions=" into each kernel entry. |
| 05:32.49 | infernal_jesus | How to leave messages for users? |
| 05:33.04 | Vasistha | god, I wish you two could have had that exchange while en1gma was still in here |
| 05:33.04 | Supaplex | email |
| 05:33.04 | dondelelcaro | infernal_jesus: /msg memoserv help |
| 05:33.10 | infernal_jesus | no.. not on irc |
| 05:33.16 | infernal_jesus | on a debian system |
| 05:33.19 | dondelelcaro | infernal_jesus: then send them e-mail |
| 05:33.20 | maddash | infernal_jesus: wall |
| 05:33.20 | infernal_jesus | internally to users |
| 05:33.31 | Vasistha | infernal_jesus: put it in the motd? :P |
| 05:33.35 | Supaplex | infernal_jesus: mail? write? |
| 05:33.49 | infernal_jesus | doesn't write send to a certain tty when the user is connected? |
| 05:33.51 | Supaplex | sticky notes on the monitor! |
| 05:33.58 | Vasistha | infernal_jesus: yes, it does |
| 05:34.05 | Vasistha | carrier pigeons! |
| 05:34.10 | indraveni | hi |
| 05:34.18 | dondelelcaro | generally, although most people run with mesg n |
| 05:34.25 | Wyzard | Vasistha: I did tell him he doesn't need to stop X, but he seemed intent on stopping it anyway |
| 05:34.29 | indraveni | in debian gnome 2.14 , there was a meta-gnome2 package |
| 05:34.32 | maddash | what's wrong with wall? |
| 05:34.42 | dondelelcaro | maddash: it's annoying when misused? |
| 05:34.52 | valdyn | indraveni: no? that's a source package |
| 05:34.53 | indraveni | but in the latest gnome 2.16 of debain, with which package is it replaced? |
| 05:34.55 | dondelelcaro | (about the only time it's useful is when you're using it in shutdown) |
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| 05:35.20 | en1gma | omg at least thats stopped now |
| 05:35.22 | infernal_jesus | it tells me wall is only for files |
| 05:35.29 | dondelelcaro | indraveni: the package is called gnome. |
| 05:35.30 | infernal_jesus | I can't leave messages for other users :P |
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| 05:35.49 | dondelelcaro | infernal_jesus: uh... man wall; and read more carefully |
| 05:35.50 | hunshad | DeVeDe is it good ? |
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| 05:35.53 | Wyzard | en1gma: A few minutes ago I ran "/etc/init.d/gdm stop" as root from a text console on my laptop, and X stopped, immediately and uneventfully |
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| 05:35.55 | MM2_ | How to find out which directories are biggest in my server? |
| 05:35.57 | Wyzard | en1gma: none of the flickering you describe |
| 05:36.06 | dondelelcaro | MM2_: du -hs foodir; |
| 05:36.07 | Wyzard | en1gma: anyway, as I said earlier, you didn't need to stop GDM in the first place |
| 05:36.08 | en1gma | omfg i wish i had a video camera |
| 05:36.11 | en1gma | i would upload it |
| 05:36.15 | MM2_ | dondelelcaro: ty |
| 05:36.29 | en1gma | i want to get to a console just like other distros would with init 3 |
| 05:36.33 | en1gma | thats all |
| 05:36.36 | dondelelcaro | !nodm |
| 05:36.36 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 05:36.39 | infernal_jesus | dondeelcaro: ah |
| 05:36.39 | Supaplex | en1gma: nopaste the output of history. :) |
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| 05:36.45 | dondelelcaro | en1gma: see above. |
| 05:36.48 | MM2_ | dondelelcaro: it just gives size of that directory |
| 05:36.50 | indraveni | thankyou dondelelcaro |
| 05:36.58 | Wyzard | en1gma: I understand that's what you wanted to do, but I'm saying you didn't need to do it |
| 05:36.59 | Supaplex | dondelelcaro: I told him that lasttime. :) |
| 05:37.09 | Wyzard | en1gma: You could've installed the nVidia driver from within X, even |
| 05:37.10 | dondelelcaro | MM2_: yes... if you want to know about more directories, list more directories |
| 05:37.18 | en1gma | i know but it should be simple to get there shouldnt it |
| 05:37.19 | Wyzard | en1gma: and then restarted X afterward to make it take effect |
| 05:37.22 | MM2_ | I want to list all directories :) |
| 05:37.32 | en1gma | you forget i come from slack |
| 05:37.34 | Vasistha | MM2_: so use a glob, like du * -hsc |
| 05:37.35 | en1gma | i love the console |
| 05:37.46 | en1gma | but i dont want to get rid of X just to get there |
| 05:37.52 | dondelelcaro | MM2_: well, that's kind of stupid, but, find / -type d -print0|xargs -0 du -hs |
| 05:37.55 | Supaplex | MM2_: man du. I the -s only prints summaries for the directories you specify. |
| 05:37.58 | Vasistha | en1gma: so, set up one of your runlevels, perhaps as the default, that doesn't have gdm in its init!!! sheesh! |
| 05:38.04 | Wyzard | en1gma: You can open terminal windows in GNOME, you know |
| 05:38.19 | infernal_jesus | Wall broadcasts a message, is there something that could be read later? |
| 05:38.26 | dondelelcaro | MM2_: man du; man xargs; man find; for more infomration. (and no, I don't suggest running the command that I gave you.) |
| 05:38.30 | Supaplex | MM2_: w/o -s, it'll print summaries for each subdirectory (more noise) |
| 05:38.32 | en1gma | omg Wyzard with every comment you make it just re-afirms debian dont want you in console |
| 05:38.33 | MM2_ | is there something that will stay in debians server and consume after long period of time lot of hard disk? |
| 05:38.33 | dondelelcaro | infernal_jesus: yes. It's called e-mail. |
| 05:38.33 | Vasistha | MM2_: if you happen to be using kde, I cannot recommend enough the FSView plugin for konqueror |
| 05:38.39 | en1gma | im starting to get scared |
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| 05:38.46 | en1gma | i dont know how to do runlevels |
| 05:38.48 | MM2_ | Vasistha: I use console only |
| 05:38.50 | Supaplex | infernal_jesus: yea, /etc/motd or e-mail. |
| 05:38.58 | en1gma | i just know i used to do a cheat init 3 to get where i wanted |
| 05:38.58 | Wyzard | en1gma: no, Debian doesn't "not want" you in console... Debian doesn't care whether you spend your time in the console or not |
| 05:39.00 | infernal_jesus | dondelelcaro: that's no fun :) |
| 05:39.09 | valdyn | en1gma: you should probably use something you are used to if you are not prepared to learn a few _simple_ things on how debian works |
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| 05:39.10 | MM2_ | And just found out that / if full :/ |
| 05:39.12 | infernal_jesus | I was thinking of something internal on a system, amongst users |
| 05:39.12 | dondelelcaro | en1gma: can you please read the nodm; comment that dpkg said a while ago? It explains exactly what you have to do |
| 05:39.20 | Vasistha | en1gma: guess what? you still can! you just have to configure /etc/rc3.d for that! |
| 05:39.25 | dondelelcaro | en1gma: if you're not willing to read it, then please, go elsewhere. |
| 05:39.25 | en1gma | i tried what everyone said and cant get there |
| 05:39.27 | DawnLight | bootsplash is sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeet |
| 05:39.31 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 05:39.31 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@12-219-50-87.client.mchsi.com] by dondelelcaro |
| 05:39.32 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 05:39.38 | Wyzard | en1gma: but when I see you trying to do something that there's no need for you to do, of course I'm going to tell you you don't need to do it |
| 05:39.46 | Supaplex | dondelelcaro: he's blind I tell you! :-D |
| 05:39.49 | dondelelcaro | en1gma: here; allow me to time you out so you can read what dpkg said and not bother responding to anyone |
| 05:39.52 | dondelelcaro | !nodm |
| 05:39.52 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 05:39.56 | Supaplex | now he's mute and blind |
| 05:40.13 | Vasistha | or, in the older not-so-pc terms, deaf & dumb |
| 05:40.22 | Guerin | definitely dumb |
| 05:40.23 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: He wasn't trying to remove GDM permanently, just quit X temporarily |
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| 05:40.35 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: (because he thought he needed to do that to install the nVidia driver, apparently) |
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| 05:40.39 | reber | hi all |
| 05:40.44 | foo | Hm, having some issues with debian etch. I lost network connectivity on a server... restarting the interface fixed it. |
| 05:40.47 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: yes... option #4 and /etc/init.d/gdm stop; will all do that |
| 05:40.53 | Supaplex | nodm can be reversed at will. :) |
| 05:41.01 | reber | is it a way to install the package phppginstall for etch and postgres 8.x ? |
| 05:41.12 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: and we told him that, and the ctrl-alt-fN thing too |
| 05:41.16 | reber | *phppgadmin |
| 05:41.17 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: yes... I know |
| 05:41.54 | Supaplex | Wyzard: en1gma is 'special', aka short-bus special. |
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| 05:42.16 | maddash | :O short-bus? aren't shorter buses faster? |
| 05:42.17 | dondelelcaro | !+info phppgadmin etch |
| 05:42.18 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 05:42.20 | Wyzard | nah, just immature |
| 05:42.23 | Supaplex | my bad. no need to state the obvious. |
| 05:42.24 | CaT[tm] | oh mother fsck. |
| 05:42.44 | dpkg | phppgadmin: (Set of PHP scripts to administrate PostgreSQL over the WWW), section web, is extra. Version: 4.0.1-3.1 (etch), Packaged size: 678 kB, Installed size: 3812 kB |
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| 05:42.46 | dondelelcaro | CaT[tm]: if you're having a problem with dpkg-reconfigure not showing things correctly, switch to the readline frontend instead of the dialog |
| 05:42.59 | dondelelcaro | reber: is there any reason why apt-get install phppgadmin; isn't sufficient? |
| 05:43.10 | reber | dondelelcaro, yep course. |
| 05:43.18 | reber | I wouldn't ask if not. |
| 05:43.39 | Vasistha | reber: so, do you want to tell us that reason? |
| 05:43.50 | reber | phppgadmin/etch even with postgres8.x wants to install 7.x. |
| 05:43.54 | CaT[tm] | dondel: whee. there's something weirder happening |
| 05:44.10 | CaT[tm] | dondel: changing LANG in the current shell does not work |
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| 05:44.20 | CaT[tm] | dondel: changing LANG in /etc/environemnt does not work |
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| 05:44.30 | maddash | CaT[tm]: use tab autocompletion |
| 05:44.31 | dondelelcaro | CaT[tm]: my nick is dondelelcaro, not dondel |
| 05:44.38 | CaT[tm] | madd: client doesn't support it |
| 05:44.42 | dondelelcaro | reber: it just recommends postgresql. You don't have to install it |
| 05:44.47 | Vasistha | CaT[tm]: type like this: dondel<TAB> |
| 05:44.57 | maddash | dongle el carro. haha. |
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| 05:45.06 | maddash | dondelelcaro: don't hurt me... :( |
| 05:45.11 | CaT[tm] | supa: oi! I need that for other things |
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| 05:45.31 | CaT[tm] | 8( |
| 05:45.33 | reber | dondelelcaro, False. The following NEW packages will be installed: |
| 05:45.34 | reber | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:45.34 | reber | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:45.46 | dondelelcaro | !recommends phppgadmin etch |
| 05:45.49 | dpkg | phppgadmin: has nothing about recommends |
| 05:45.54 | Supaplex | CaT[tm]: do you want that back on the keyboard? |
| 05:46.04 | Vasistha | reber: you might consider using the aptitude front-end ... it will give you better control over this stuff |
| 05:46.26 | reber | Vasistha, I did. No way, it's a dependancy problem. |
| 05:46.36 | dondelelcaro | reber: uh... no, that just is because you're automatically installing the recommends. You don't need to do that |
| 05:46.59 | reber | Supaplex, and, yes, i know about backports, doesn't solve anything here. |
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| 05:47.17 | dondelelcaro | reber: you 1) don't need the backport 2) don't have to install postgresql-7.4 |
| 05:47.22 | reber | dondelelcaro, I did used the aptitude frontend. It didn't changed anything as i said. |
| 05:47.30 | dondelelcaro | reber: so tell it not to install postgresql |
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| 05:47.36 | dondelelcaro | not exactly difficult |
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| 05:48.29 | dondelelcaro | reber: it recommends postgresql because in the most typical case you'd want postgresql installed, but since it's not actually required, it's Recommends: postgresql, not Depends: postgresql. apt-cache show phppgadmin; if you don't believe me. |
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| 05:48.44 | bingyman | i want to make an mp3 file downloadable or executable when i open my site.. |
| 05:48.49 | bingyman | https://cat2.dynu.ca/bingyman/ << what do you think is the problem? |
| 05:48.56 | dondelelcaro | Depending: on the database would be stupid, because there's no requirement for the database to actually be on the same machine as phppgadmin |
| 05:49.08 | reber | dondelelcaro, my bad. You're right. |
| 05:49.10 | ekimus | hello, too little coffee to long awake, i can't for the h*** of it figure out why i wont find autodir in the non-free repos, this is my sources list "http://ftp.at.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free" |
| 05:49.12 | reber | sorry about noise :/ |
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| 05:49.51 | Vasistha | ekimus: did you do an apt-get update ? |
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| 05:50.05 | ekimus | Vasistha: yup, twice |
| 05:50.16 | reber | i thought postgresql was provided by pg8.x (sounds natural doesn't it ?) But in fact it doesnt. |
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| 05:50.31 | Vasistha | ekimus: hmm, maybe your mirror is having trouble. try another mirror? |
| 05:50.56 | reber | dondelelcaro, but phppgadmin still depends on php4, and i have php5 :/ |
| 05:50.59 | dondelelcaro | reber: postgresql is just a meta package which depends on whatever the postgresql maintainer feels is the current version of postgresql |
| 05:51.22 | hunshad | which format of dvd is necessary to have to engrave a dvds (iso?) because the format present is avi |
| 05:51.22 | reber | dondelelcaro, looks like a similar problem unavoidable here ... |
| 05:51.23 | dondelelcaro | reber: look very carefully at the Depends: line again |
| 05:52.14 | Vasistha | hunshad: this conversion is somewhat more complicated than you might realize .. you're probably going to want to convert to udf, but there are several steps involved. Was noone around #mplayer ? |
| 05:52.26 | dondelelcaro | (not that I recommend using phppgadmin anyway, but at least the maintainer has packaged it correctly) |
| 05:52.35 | ekimus | Vasistha: ok i tried at de us mirrors, could you do me a favor and try to find that package in non-free? can't believe i'm too dumb to get that... |
| 05:52.52 | Vasistha | ekimus: I already did, I can see it in aptitude |
| 05:52.52 | dondelelcaro | ekimus: I don't see the package myself, actually. |
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| 05:53.12 | dondelelcaro | ekimus: wait, which architecture are you using? |
| 05:53.21 | hunshad | on #mplayer they said :you-re not at the good place |
| 05:53.24 | ekimus | Vasistha: solved, i have amd64 and its i386 only..... getting another BOWL of coffee... |
| 05:53.27 | hunshad | >_< |
| 05:53.30 | shkuba | hello. is it possible to make hard reboot (like the reset but) from cmdline??? |
| 05:53.33 | Vasistha | ekimus: hehheh |
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| 05:54.20 | Wyzard | shkuba: Possibly, but if you have a working command line, why would you do a hard reset instead of a clean shutdown? |
| 05:54.24 | Vasistha | shkuba: the definition of a hard reboot precludes doing it with software |
| 05:54.39 | Wyzard | shkuba: The reset button is generally used only when the system is completely hung |
| 05:54.44 | shkuba | Wyzard i have fscked up rc.6 directory (disk error) |
| 05:55.03 | shkuba | Wyzard: my ext3 went crazy and i cannot remove them |
| 05:55.20 | shkuba | so i thought rather not starting them would be good |
| 05:55.25 | dondelelcaro | shkuba: well, then before you even think about rebooting, you should back up everything. |
| 05:55.30 | shkuba | i did |
| 05:55.36 | Vasistha | shkuba: badblocks? |
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| 05:55.49 | shkuba | not sure... and installed a new system on another disk - but i have only 1 try... |
| 05:55.51 | Wyzard | shkuba: The shutdown command's '-n' option might help, though I'm not sure |
| 05:55.52 | shkuba | (remote server) |
| 05:56.01 | dondelelcaro | shkuba: then call reboot and have it reboot directly |
| 05:56.07 | shkuba | i ahve to be sure it will finish |
| 05:56.19 | reber | dondelelcaro, indeed. Thanks and a bit tricky. |
| 05:56.23 | dondelelcaro | shkuba: however, if it's a remote server, it may not come back up at all. |
| 05:56.25 | CaT[tm] | fun. debians ssh has 'AcceptEnv LANG LC_*' which is good but the pam config overrides it with the local setting regardless. |
| 05:56.26 | shkuba | i am afraid init might get lost while running it |
| 05:56.31 | CaT[tm] | a cunning plan for compatability foiled |
| 05:56.49 | shkuba | dondelelcaro: it will boot well. i am only worried about going down |
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| 05:57.10 | shkuba | i would love to 'press the button' in software way :D |
| 05:57.38 | shkuba | i cannot even delete scripts in /etc/rc6.d ( some of them have 2000+ MB) |
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| 05:57.57 | dondelelcaro | shkuba: so call reboot yourself |
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| 05:58.14 | Vasistha | shkuba: my /etc/rc6.d only has softlinks in it. is yours different? Also, could you rename them so they don't start with K or S so they won't run? |
| 05:58.22 | dondelelcaro | shkuba: reboot -d -f -i; is what is called at the very end of the reboot process, as you could see if you read /etc/rc.6/S90reboot |
| 05:58.24 | Wyzard | shkuba: Try "reboot -f" -- that looks like it'll bypass the shutdown command that's trying to run those scripts |
| 05:58.30 | shkuba | Vasistha my rc.6 is 'crazy' (disk crash) |
| 05:58.41 | Vasistha | well, it sounds like you have your answer, anyway |
| 05:59.09 | shkuba | hmm i just found sysrqd... anyone tried this one? :D |
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| 06:00.53 | shkuba | hehe. see how it looks: ls -l /etc/rcS.d/S01glibc.sh |
| 06:00.55 | shkuba | -r-s-w-r-x 9284 3888869 2298513908 13684451939420203091 Dec 6 1908 /etc/rcS.d/S01glibc.sh |
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| 06:09.28 | jasta | Will the Debian packages for OpenOffice.org ever contain the patches to enable full font hinting or are there nonfree forces at work here? |
| 06:09.44 | Guerin | jasta: see the changelog |
| 06:09.47 | jasta | I found an external repository offering the packages, but they are an older version so apt is not wanting to "upgrade" to them. |
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| 06:10.34 | jasta | Guerin: for the package in unstable? |
| 06:10.42 | Guerin | jasta: sure |
| 06:11.26 | jasta | Oh, apparently yes it has been fixed in the 2.1 packages in unstable. |
| 06:11.35 | Guerin | hurrah! |
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| 06:13.14 | foo | May 10 22:34:03 debian kernel: NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out |
| 06:13.14 | foo | May 10 22:34:06 debian kernel: eth0: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex, lpa 0x45E1 |
| 06:13.14 | zenwryly | I've heard that some ubuntu kernel patches might fix a sleep issue on my laptop. Is there a way I can use a ubuntu kernel on my debian unstable system? It would be great if I could setup apt sources for the kernel too. |
| 06:13.22 | foo | Getting a ton of those in /var/log/messages... any ideas? |
| 06:13.43 | jasta | Bugger all. OpenOffice.org from unstable is not likely to install gracefully :) |
| 06:13.48 | jasta | oh well, i'll get the sources |
| 06:14.10 | CaT[tm] | ah poo. I was wrong but the intent is still broken when sarge is in play. |
| 06:14.35 | jasta | Guerin: It is curious, though, that this patch was not backported to Etch prior to release. Do you know why that happened? |
| 06:14.56 | Guerin | jasta: no clue. I'd guess because it's Prone To Breakage |
| 06:15.02 | shkuba | i just run reboot. soon we will see :D |
| 06:15.11 | Guerin | !bless shkuba |
| 06:15.12 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child shkuba, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 06:15.27 | _Rubyxx | I installed debian yesterday. On boot I get an "ide failed opcode was unknown " error relating to hda task-intr: status 0 x 59...Does any one know what this means? |
| 06:15.36 | jasta | Guerin: Hmm, never heard of that happening. I'll read bug #385798. |
| 06:16.05 | k-man_ | how do i get exim to only accept tls connections on one port, but allow open connections on another port? |
| 06:16.10 | shkuba | ty... |
| 06:17.20 | shkuba | its up.... grrr i forgot the password ! (oooh) |
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| 06:18.05 | EdwardElric | this is o/t, but i know that someone here knows about this, so ill ask....has anyone here used TrueCrypt or something similar, or have any other recommendations for encrypted partitions? |
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| 06:18.40 | en1gma | is there a deb installer script for the nvidia 100.14.03 x64 drivers |
| 06:19.02 | shkuba | heh, finally made it! thanks for your support... it was really scary reboot for me :D |
| 06:19.28 | EdwardElric | updated? |
| 06:19.35 | Wyzard | en1gma: No, there is no package of that version yet |
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| 06:20.00 | shkuba | EdwardElric: looken on tc, but didnt like it enough to try. |
| 06:20.04 | shkuba | i looked* |
| 06:20.08 | Vasistha | EdwardElric: dm-crypt ... worked great for me |
| 06:20.26 | en1gma | how often do those kind of things become avail....i mean is there a rule that they dont do it for beta drivers? |
| 06:20.27 | EdwardElric | cool, ill check that one out too |
| 06:20.30 | EdwardElric | ty |
| 06:20.31 | en1gma | the 100.14.03 is a beta |
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| 06:20.52 | shkuba | EdwardElric: http://www.debianhelp.org/node/1116 |
| 06:21.03 | Wyzard | en1gma: Betas are less likely to be packaged, though the 9xxx-series beta was available in experimental |
| 06:21.04 | EdwardElric | :) |
| 06:21.07 | jasta | ohhh, it's in backports.org, hooray :) |
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| 06:21.16 | shkuba | EdwardElric: btw new debian isntaller imho allows encrypted install |
| 06:21.17 | EdwardElric | shkuba that helps ALOT!!! ty :) |
| 06:21.22 | en1gma | ok so it could possible happen even though its beta...thats good news |
| 06:21.24 | Wyzard | en1gma: I think that was mostly because the 9xxx-series driver enabled AIGLX and people wanted to try it out |
| 06:21.38 | en1gma | ahh so a special occasion |
| 06:21.41 | Wyzard | en1gma: Possible, yes, but it's more likely that it won't be packaged until it's out of beta |
| 06:21.41 | EdwardElric | oh, i havent tried the new installer yet |
| 06:21.46 | shkuba | try :D |
| 06:21.53 | EdwardElric | i just updated from sarge |
| 06:21.54 | shkuba | its easy as installing debian, hehe |
| 06:21.58 | Wyzard | en1gma: and as I said earlier, it's not all that likely that the new driver will fix the paravirt thing anyway |
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| 06:22.09 | Wyzard | en1gma: since the problem is really in the kernel, not the nVidia driver |
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| 06:22.24 | Wyzard | en1gma: It's not nVidia's bug to fix |
| 06:22.25 | en1gma | well i not going to update to the 2.6.20 so that shouldnt be a prob |
| 06:22.29 | CaT[tm] | whee. |
| 06:22.42 | jasta | wow, that happened as of like 3 days ago. |
| 06:22.42 | EdwardElric | shkuba ty, ill give it a try too :D |
| 06:23.08 | CaT[tm] | so you can go with iso8859-1 as the default and then switch to utf-8 when sshing in but not in the other direction. |
| 06:23.25 | shkuba | see you later :D |
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| 06:23.32 | EdwardElric | this article is a good read too btw ;) |
| 06:23.33 | EdwardElric | heheh |
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| 06:23.58 | EdwardElric | In some of those checkpoints, I'm instructed by the (sometimes not too nice) underpaid, poorly educated, and clueless security person to boot my computer to show the world that it is indeed a computer and not some nefarious evildoing device. |
| 06:24.01 | EdwardElric | lmao |
| 06:24.23 | EdwardElric | that has not happened to me |
| 06:24.29 | CaT[tm] | that's common |
| 06:24.40 | EdwardElric | i dont travel a lot |
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| 06:25.01 | CaT[tm] | every sucker with a laptop had to take it apart at the minimum |
| 06:25.01 | EdwardElric | i would find that very amusing though |
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| 06:25.36 | Vasistha | CaT[tm]: what do you mean, "take it apart"? |
| 06:25.52 | cheshire314 | hi guys! |
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| 06:26.21 | blenna | are there any requirements on putting custom scripts in /etc/init.d? |
| 06:26.26 | CaT[tm] | vasi: all bits that are removable need to b removed. battery etc |
| 06:26.41 | intruder | blenna: no, but you should follow the skeleton |
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| 06:26.54 | Vasistha | blenna: if you want them to run, you're going to need to link them in /etc/rc[2-5].d |
| 06:27.32 | blenna | oh right. thx |
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| 06:27.42 | Vasistha | CaT[tm]: heh, that's a far cry from "taking it apart" from the perspective of a laptop owner who has removed and replaced probably every single screw inside this thing |
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| 06:28.27 | CaT[tm] | asis: yes. true. sorry. kinda busy beating my head against the locale thing. I'd really like to leave etch as utf8 by default but it's not gonna let me. |
| 06:28.37 | CaT[tm] | vasis: yes. true. sorry. kinda busy beating my head against the locale thing. I'd really like to leave etch as utf8 by default but it's not gonna let me. |
| 06:28.39 | cheshire314 | my debian lenny crashed because of a blackout. at reboot i got some complainings about ext3 filesystem "EXT3-fs: INFO: recovery required on readonly filesystem." and then: |
| 06:28.39 | cheshire314 | EXT3-fs: sda3: orphan cleanup on readonly fs |
| 06:28.39 | cheshire314 | ext3_orphan_cleanup: deleting unreferenced inode 114048 |
| 06:28.39 | cheshire314 | [...] |
| 06:28.39 | cheshire314 | ext3_orphan_cleanup: deleting unreferenced inode 342050 |
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| 06:29.52 | blenna | another question, i can hear sounds & everything but i can't hear the sound when gdm is ready (login screen) |
| 06:29.59 | Vasistha | CaT[tm]: yeah, you're the one with the dysfunctional irc client, huh? "vasis" highlights me ;) heh ... maybe you can set it up so just sshd has the locale change |
| 06:31.36 | CaT[tm] | vasis: I keep meaning to code nick completion in it but I never get around to it. :/ - I suppose doing that is possible. just seems like a fugly kludge. |
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| 06:33.29 | Vasistha | CaT[tm]: well ... I mean, it sounds like you're down to a choice between the lesser of two evils -- setting the whole system to iso, or just sshd .. right? |
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| 06:34.24 | CaT[tm] | vasis: yeah. I just like the idea of a more... better ;) solution. |
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| 06:34.48 | Vasistha | you can say "elegant", it won't hurt our ears in here... |
| 06:35.45 | blenna | Vasistha: sorry, do i need a hard or soft link to /etc/rcX.d |
| 06:35.46 | mnguyen | I want to install gtk2 murrine-engine.... but I can't find it in the repository... is there another repository I can add to my source list? |
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| 06:35.55 | abrim | hi all, can someone point me to instructions on setting up boot to auto run fsck if comp was not shut down properly (i.e. so don't have to run fsck manually)? |
| 06:35.58 | Vasistha | blenna: softlinks are preferred |
| 06:36.21 | Vasistha | blenna: just imitate what you already see there |
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| 06:36.46 | Vasistha | mnguyen: seems like I advised you yesterday to check out apt-get.org |
| 06:37.00 | mnguyen | Vasistha: i didn't find it there |
| 06:37.26 | cheshire314 | hi guys! sorry! i'm such a lamer, i've been kicked out for flooding, i'll try to be more polite with my cut&paste |
| 06:37.27 | Vasistha | abrim: I believe that's done with the last column of digits in /etc/fstab |
| 06:37.49 | Vasistha | !tell cheshire314 -about paste |
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| 06:38.01 | DawnLight | if i type reboot in console, will that close down kde violently? |
| 06:38.07 | CaT[tm] | vasis: yes. elegant. I was toying with words there. :) |
| 06:38.11 | cheshire314 | Vasistha: that helps |
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| 06:38.33 | Nemoder | I managed to get sarge installed on a 486 laptop but xfree86 only wants to run in 320x200 :( |
| 06:39.06 | abrim | Vasistha: thanks. |
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| 06:39.22 | Vasistha | DawnLight: hmmm, hard to say. it's ideal to use the reboot feature from within kde/kdm ... I'm not sure if your session will be saved otherwise, and if you have unsaved documents open in kde, then doing the kde reboot will prompt you to save them |
| 06:40.18 | intruder | Nemoder: have you verified if the HorizSync and VertRefresh values are right ? |
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| 06:40.32 | Vasistha | !tell mnguyen about dpkg-buildpackage |
| 06:40.34 | Nemoder | intruder: I've been trying but I have no idea what to set them to! |
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| 06:40.47 | DawnLight | then i need remote desktop... and i need to activate it when i currently only have ssh open on that box |
| 06:41.11 | Vasistha | DawnLight: ohh, you're restarting a box remotely, which is running kde? |
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| 06:41.21 | DawnLight | exactomundo |
| 06:41.52 | intruder | Nemoder: i guess 30-60 50-100 would be safe |
| 06:42.02 | Wyzard | DawnLight: Install the "x11vnc" package on the remote host, and some sort of VNC viewer on the local one |
| 06:42.17 | Wyzard | DawnLight: then: ssh -C -L 5900:localhost:5900 <remotehost> |
| 06:42.26 | Wyzard | DawnLight: On the remote host, run: x11vnc -localhost -display :0 |
| 06:42.36 | Wyzard | DawnLight: and on your local machine, run: vncviewer localhost |
| 06:42.46 | foo | Hm, the debian etch kernel is stable, right? Someone is saying it's kind of buggy. |
| 06:42.56 | Wyzard | DawnLight: You get to see the remote machine's desktop, securely tunneled through your SSH session :-) |
| 06:43.44 | Vasistha | foo: there are a few problems, but for most people the etch kernel is fine. Do you have a particular setup that there's a bug with? |
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| 06:44.40 | Nemoder | intruder: screen is just blank now :( |
| 06:44.47 | DawnLight | thanks alot a bunch of thanks |
| 06:45.13 | foo | Vasistha: Some network issues. May 10 22:34:06 debian kernel: eth0: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex, lpa 0x45E1 May 10 22:34:18 debian kernel: NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out ... mainly those 2 |
| 06:46.29 | intruder | Nemoder: no errors in Xorg.0.log ? |
| 06:46.57 | Vasistha | Wyzard: how's this for a factoid? vnc setup is Install x11vnc on the remote host and a vnc viewer on the local computer; Locally: ssh -C -L 5900:localhost:5900 <remotehost>; Remote run: x11vnc -display :0; Locally: vncviewer localhost; that's it! vnc securely tunneled over ssh! |
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| 06:47.11 | intruder | Nemoder: can you pastebin your xorg.conf? |
| 06:47.19 | intruder | sorry xf86config |
| 06:47.25 | Wyzard | Vasistha: hehe, sure :-) |
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| 06:48.00 | Nemoder | !pastebin |
| 06:48.00 | dpkg | it has been said that pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.ca/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 06:48.02 | foo | Vasistha: Weird, eh? Hoping it was a bad cable / something on the switch (swapped cable / port) ... but, we'll see. |
| 06:48.05 | Vasistha | !vnc setup is Install x11vnc on the remote host and a vnc viewer on the local computer; Locally: ssh -C -L 5900:localhost:5900 <remotehost>; Remote run: x11vnc -display :0; Locally: vncviewer localhost; that's it! vnc securely tunneled over ssh! |
| 06:48.05 | dpkg | okay, Vasistha |
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| 06:49.05 | cheshire314 | i use gaim, so i don't think -about stuff works for me. is there some kind of faq to learn a little irc netiquette? (eg cut&paste howto's) |
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| 06:50.54 | CaT[tm] | whoever decided that just because I set a locale I want my filenames sorted in a case-insensitive manner and mixed with .* files should be poked in the eyes until they admit they were wrong. |
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| 06:55.45 | Swat2 | *Sigh* |
| 06:55.53 | Swat2 | why isnt this bloody thing remembering my raid setup |
| 06:57.33 | Swat2 | why is it i cant mount /dev/md0 to / but i cant see it in /proc/mdstat as a raid device :/ |
| 06:57.44 | cheshire314 | here i'm, now pastebin powered :-). my computer crashed. at boot i ran into some ext3 filesystem errors "EXT3-fs: INFO: recovery required on readonly filesystem." then i'm told some inodes are going to be deleted: http://pastebin.ca/482351 the question is: i possibly lost some of my files? |
| 06:57.58 | Nemoder | intruder: http://pastebin.ca/482357 |
| 06:58.36 | Nemoder | heh sorry that took awhile, installing new software on a 486 aint zippy |
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| 06:59.18 | nvz | Nemoder: what kind of cpu/ram you got in that thing? |
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| 06:59.32 | Nemoder | dx100 with 16mb ram :( |
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| 06:59.47 | intruder | Nemoder: if its a really old laptop i would suggest removing DPMS |
| 06:59.49 | nvz | Nemoder: ah well at least you got the dx100 "overdrive" |
| 06:59.52 | DawnLight | i don't know if i can write this question down but i'll try: i open a terminal, open screen, ssh somewhere, open screen there. now, if i want to start a new screen there and press [ctrl][c], it opens a new session locally, not in the remote box. -?) |
| 07:00.02 | Nemoder | math co-processor yay |
| 07:00.07 | Nemoder | intruder: ok i'll try that |
| 07:00.08 | nvz | Nemoder: you need more ram.. at least 64mb |
| 07:00.08 | intruder | and are you aware that your DefaultDepth is set to 4 |
| 07:00.32 | intruder | nvz: for a plain xfree ? |
| 07:00.40 | Nemoder | intruder: yes the vga driver says that's required for anything more than 320x200 |
| 07:00.53 | Swat2 | dpkg raid? |
| 07:00.54 | dpkg | it has been said that raid is Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks. See RAID{0-5}, [Software Raid], http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_RAID_levels |
| 07:01.00 | nvz | intruder: to not be running slow as hell.. you're lucky if you can play an mp3 and do anything at the same time :P |
| 07:01.06 | Swat2 | dpkg software raid? |
| 07:01.07 | dpkg | rumour has it, software raid is commonly used to describe RAID facilities in the Linux kernel. This means that you can RAID with any disks, with no need for a "special" (read winmodem) hardware controller. http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html, also see http://linux.yyz.us/why-software-raid.html |
| 07:01.18 | intruder | nvz: yea, it should be ok for single-tasking |
| 07:01.26 | Nemoder | nvz: ya it's a bit slow but I trimmed it down really good |
| 07:01.57 | intruder | Nemoder: you mean DefaultDepth 4 is required for anything over 320x200 ?! |
| 07:01.58 | nvz | there is no such thing as single tasking .. you gonna run in single user mode ? heh |
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| 07:02.08 | nvz | thats still multi-tasking |
| 07:02.15 | intruder | nvz: i mean.. on app at a time |
| 07:02.46 | intruder | arent you confusing with multi-users ? |
| 07:02.50 | wols | intruder: unless you have a dualcore/SMP machine, you always run one app at a time, never more |
| 07:03.17 | Nemoder | intruder: yes |
| 07:03.24 | intruder | wols: ok.. one app at a few times |
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| 07:04.01 | intruder | Nemoder: i guess you misread, you can easily go over this, at least at DefaultDepth 16 |
| 07:04.17 | Nemoder | intruder: at least that's what I found googling, the video is a cirrus 6440, and all I can find online says to use the vga driver |
| 07:04.50 | Nemoder | intruder: http://www.xfree86.org/4.3.0/vga.4.html |
| 07:05.11 | intruder | Nemoder: have you tried X -configure |
| 07:05.30 | wols | intruder: not in debian |
| 07:05.35 | wols | Nemoder: tried VESA? |
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| 07:06.46 | intruder | Nemoder: from what im reading, this is exactly your problem, set it to DefaultDepth 16 |
| 07:06.58 | Nemoder | hm |
| 07:07.48 | Nemoder | (EE) VGA(0): Depth 16 not supported by this driver |
| 07:08.16 | intruder | let's say DefaultDepth 8 |
| 07:08.22 | intruder | no |
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| 07:08.49 | intruder | Nemoder: try the vesa driver as wols suggested |
| 07:08.52 | Nemoder | 8 will only do 320x200, 4 tries the higher res but the sync is wrong |
| 07:08.55 | Nemoder | ok |
| 07:09.20 | intruder | sync can't be wrong with this kind of range |
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| 07:09.43 | Nemoder | erm, it was wrong with the defaults, now the picture is just blank |
| 07:10.03 | Nemoder | I'll try vesa |
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| 07:10.10 | intruder | the default were probably right |
| 07:10.28 | intruder | they were the first ones ? |
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| 07:10.37 | _tnorth | hi * |
| 07:10.37 | intruder | you have 3 ranges |
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| 07:10.55 | suppaman | how I like to upgrade |
| 07:11.06 | Nemoder | intruder: yes, and they both had tons of errors in the log for sync out of range |
| 07:11.22 | intruder | Nemoder: i can try things like 1-60 1-60 |
| 07:11.25 | suppaman | actually dist-upgrading |
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| 07:11.59 | Nemoder | ahh I think i got 640x480 with vesa |
| 07:12.09 | intruder | that would be nice |
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| 07:12.19 | intruder | at least, better than vga |
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| 07:13.37 | Nemoder | ya it looks ok, a few weird lines on the screen tho |
| 07:13.43 | intruder | horizontal lines ? ;P |
| 07:13.48 | Swat2 | Is it possible to go from no software raid to softwareraid level 1 without too much problems? |
| 07:14.00 | Nemoder | horizontal and vertical |
| 07:14.04 | suppaman | intruder: is vga a video format ? |
| 07:14.10 | alleyoopster | i just removed nfs-common with aptitude remove and libgssapi2 was flagged as no longer needed. It is in fact needed as after removing things broke. |
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| 07:14.28 | DukeDrake | hi |
| 07:14.34 | intruder | suppaman: in our case we're talking about vga the video driver |
| 07:14.35 | alleyoopster | this has happened a few times now with aptitude, is it a bug ? |
| 07:14.53 | cydork | Swat2: level 1 should not be much trouble! |
| 07:15.23 | cydork | Swat2: /msg dpkg raid1howto |
| 07:15.49 | alleyoopster | why is aptitude removing packages that are still needed? |
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| 07:16.45 | suppaman | alleyoopster: maybe it's a bad boy |
| 07:17.12 | alleyoopster | suppaman: should we punish him? |
| 07:17.23 | suppaman | it's your binary.. |
| 07:18.25 | foo | Vasistha: Around? |
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| 07:18.35 | Vasistha | foo: yes, but you should just ask the channel, anyway. |
| 07:18.36 | alleyoopster | suppaman: can you expand on that? |
| 07:18.45 | DukeDrake | I somehow can't wget generated webpages within a bash script... |
| 07:18.57 | DukeDrake | Anyone know why? |
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| 07:19.14 | suppaman | alleyoopster: I meant it's up to you to punish it or not |
| 07:19.33 | suppaman | alleyoopster: I don't really know why it's flagging for remove needed packages |
| 07:19.38 | Vasistha | DukeDrake: like twkm told you in #bash - it's probably something to do with the environment. |
| 07:19.44 | cydork | DukeDrake: what does wget say? any errors? |
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| 07:19.58 | cydork | oh he asked in bash too! |
| 07:20.02 | Nemoder | intruder, wols: thanks for help, vesa is a bit wonky but anything is better than 320x200 :) |
| 07:20.14 | foo | Gah, I'm having some issues. lshw shows this for network: description: Ethernet interface product: RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ vendor: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. ... in the midst of loading up a mysql dump via an nfs server, the network appears to go down. I get this in the log: May 11 00:08:27 debian kernel: NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out and May 11 00:08:30 debian kernel: eth0: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex, lpa 0x45E1 ... ... |
| 07:20.20 | foo | ... /etc/init.d/networking restart fixes the problem... but it keeps on happening. We've checked cable, switch port, replaced all hardware... same issue. It has to be something with this chipset / debian kernel, if I had to guess. Any ideas? |
| 07:20.34 | alleyoopster | suppaman: its crap really, it can easily break the system |
| 07:21.52 | tarzeau | can someone build this? http://ovh.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/funguloids/funguloids-linux-1.05f.tar.bz2 |
| 07:21.54 | DukeDrake | cydork: no errors... |
| 07:22.09 | DukeDrake | however I don't get any output either >.> |
| 07:22.58 | _Rubyxx | I have noticed that a red line periodically comes across the screen here. What does this mean? |
| 07:24.26 | cydork | _Rubyxx: huh? |
| 07:24.26 | cydork | DukeDrake: exist status of wget? |
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| 07:25.07 | _Rubyxx | I see a redline right across the screen under foo's last comment....Don't you....I use Xchat |
| 07:26.32 | Vasistha | tarzeau: how big is it? |
| 07:26.45 | tarzeau | Vasistha: 10mb |
| 07:26.47 | cydork | Vasistha: 10mb |
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| 07:27.20 | blenna | what log file contains the last log of a shutdown? |
| 07:27.32 | Vasistha | tarzeau: heh, that'd probably take me an hour to compile :D if noone else volunteers, I suppose I could fire up the fast box for it |
| 07:28.07 | tarzeau | Vasistha: doesn't matter i got time, or does it help if i paste the error msg? |
| 07:28.29 | Vasistha | tarzeau: oh ... I'm no expert with this stuff, I prolly won't be able to help you debug :( |
| 07:28.41 | cydork | tarzeau: fmod.hpp: No such file or directory |
| 07:28.43 | Vasistha | tarzeau: but someone else here might very well be able to if you paste the error msg |
| 07:28.47 | cydork | tarzeau: and apt-file cant find it. |
| 07:28.51 | intruder | is transcode supposed to take more time than the video duration time to rencode ? |
| 07:28.57 | alleyoopster | ok found it, when removing a package meta and automatically installed packages aptitude tries to clean up other packages, but the package may still be in use, it can break things |
| 07:29.07 | tarzeau | cydork: i can fix that, but can you get it to build with the www.fmod.org nonfree lib? |
| 07:29.29 | Vasistha | intruder: it's not "supposed to" be either faster or slower. transcode goes as fast as your box can go, it's dependent on your processor, etc. |
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| 07:29.34 | cydork | tarzeau: let me check |
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| 07:30.06 | tarzeau | cydork, Vasistha http://80.219.79.221/fungu.txt |
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| 07:31.13 | yos87 | Hi |
| 07:31.15 | intruder | Nemoder: wait a moment, you should use the svga driver with this video card |
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| 07:31.43 | intruder | see, i saw this : Manfred Brands, mb@oceonics.nl |
| 07:31.44 | intruder | Cirrus 64xx SVGA driver |
| 07:31.46 | intruder | hehe :) |
| 07:31.53 | Vasistha | tarzeau: looks like a question for the devs, really |
| 07:31.53 | Nemoder | intruder: isn't that only for xfree86 3.3? |
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| 07:32.22 | Nemoder | intruder: I don't even see an svga driver in 4.3 |
| 07:32.25 | waveshaper | this is probably obvious, but what do I download to start installing debian? I find something like 4 dvd iso's and 30 CD iso's |
| 07:32.32 | waveshaper | on the ftp |
| 07:32.35 | Vasistha | waveshaper: get the net install cd |
| 07:32.44 | intruder | Nemoder: its a sarge right ? |
| 07:32.51 | Nemoder | intruder: ya |
| 07:32.52 | waveshaper | Vasistha:ok |
| 07:33.15 | Vasistha | waveshaper: that should be all you need ;) good luck! |
| 07:33.24 | waveshaper | cool :) |
| 07:34.11 | DukeDrake | cydork: ok - it works when invoked from the command line... |
| 07:34.14 | intruder | Nemoder: should try |
| 07:34.17 | intruder | Nemoder: :P |
| 07:34.29 | DukeDrake | cydork: only when invoked as a CGI it fails >.> |
| 07:35.04 | Nemoder | intruder: (EE) Failed to load module "svga" (module does not exist, 0) |
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| 07:35.25 | Vasistha | DukeDrake: are you sure the user running the cgi script has permission to write to the file you're specifying? |
| 07:35.26 | Nemoder | intruder: unless it's in a seperate package but I couldn't find one |
| 07:35.29 | cydork | DukeDrake: permissions? |
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| 07:36.21 | DukeDrake | Vasistha: it works with any url I want to wget except for generated pages |
| 07:36.49 | intruder | Nemoder: no its not |
| 07:36.49 | DukeDrake | cydork: s.a. |
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| 07:36.55 | Vasistha | DukeDrake: oh, now that's weird. let's see the exact command you're using. |
| 07:36.59 | intruder | Nemoder: but you got a driver named "cirrus" |
| 07:37.06 | Nemoder | intruder: ya that doesn't work at all |
| 07:37.18 | cydork | DukeDrake: just pastebin the whole script. |
| 07:37.37 | cheshire314 | did anybody of you deal with apple mighty mouse? (the bluetooth one, with a little trackball on top of it) |
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| 07:38.10 | Vasistha | cheshire314: just ask your real question. |
| 07:38.55 | maddash | wohooo, a blue screen |
| 07:39.15 | Vasistha | hehe, in another os that's not usually welcomed with cheers |
| 07:39.22 | intruder | Nemoder: well, i guess the best you can do is stay with vesa, maybe you can fix those screen bugs by playing with the Horiz and Vert settings |
| 07:39.51 | maddash | Vasistha: that's my bootsplash. a life-sized blue screen. |
| 07:40.18 | cheshire314 | my mighty mouse track ball doesn't work in my debian lenny with kernel 2.6.20 from sid, everything works except the trackball |
| 07:41.01 | maddash | Vasistha: death-sized. blue screen of _death_. |
| 07:41.06 | _Rubyxx | Where do you go to check the version of the graphics driver that is installed on a PC? |
| 07:41.23 | maddash | _Rubyxx: modinfo [name of driver] |
| 07:41.23 | Vasistha | maddash: hehe, like the mysterious 6 grams, right? |
| 07:41.32 | _Rubyxx | ty |
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| 07:41.39 | maddash | Vasistha: 6 grams? |
| 07:42.21 | DawnLight | i got it Wyzard. i got it to work :) |
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| 07:42.57 | Vasistha | maddash: erm, I meant 21 grams. From wikipedia: Dr. Duncan MacDougall, who in the early 1900s sought to measure the weight purportedly lost by a human body when the soul departed the body upon death. MacDougall weighed dying patients in an attempt to prove that the soul was material, tangible and thus measurable. These experiments are widely considered to have had little if any scientific merit, and although MacDougall's results varied |
| 07:42.57 | Vasistha | considerably from 21 grams, for some people this figure has become synonymous with the measure of a soul's mass. |
| 07:44.13 | suppaman | what pain, it's sill configuring packages.. |
| 07:44.19 | suppaman | maybe I should buy a faster hd |
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| 07:45.56 | tarzeau | Vasistha, cydork the problem is libogre in debian being very old! |
| 07:46.10 | Guerin | Vasistha: is it not 27 grams? |
| 07:46.25 | cydork | tarzeau: hmm i am getting the same error as you. |
| 07:46.43 | Vasistha | Guerin: frack if I know. looks like bunk research, anyway; and 27.5 g = 1 oz, so I wonder if you're getting the two numbers confused? :P |
| 07:46.48 | tarzeau | cydork: you need later libogre http://www.ogre3d.org/ |
| 07:46.55 | cydork | tarzeau: what about sid? |
| 07:47.03 | suppaman | I remember a film with that title |
| 07:47.04 | tarzeau | cydork: in sid you have 1.0.x and there's 1.4.1 |
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| 07:47.14 | tarzeau | cydork: i'll file a bug |
| 07:47.20 | cydork | tarzeau: aah ok |
| 07:47.36 | Guerin | Vasistha: I don't think in ounces, I grew up in a civilised, modern country. I'm thinking of the movie by Alejandro Inarritú |
| 07:47.38 | Vasistha | suppaman: yeah, it was the wikipedia entry for that film that got me on track to finding this wacky stuff :) |
| 07:47.51 | tarzeau | cydork: ouf libogre is 28mb :) |
| 07:47.52 | suppaman | :-) |
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| 07:48.03 | suppaman | oh my, I'm still at 'p' |
| 07:48.15 | Vasistha | Guerin: uh, the one called 21 grams? :D http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/21_grams |
| 07:48.25 | Guerin | Vasistha: heh, fair enough ;) |
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| 07:49.07 | Vasistha | Guerin: are you implying that the only civilized people in the US are the heavy drug users who measure all of their most important things in grams? |
| 07:49.18 | Guerin | heh |
| 07:49.19 | cydork | tarzeau: heh i am not getting it then :P |
| 07:49.30 | tarzeau | cydork: i do :) |
| 07:49.33 | Guerin | the irony being that drug-dealers in this civilised country measure in ounces |
| 07:49.47 | maddash | haha, I just issued `iwconfig eth1 txpower 0` -- set my transmitting power to 0 -- and I'm still connected. weird. |
| 07:49.48 | suppaman | Vasistha: funny, is drugs measured in grams in us ? |
| 07:50.04 | Vasistha | suppaman: depends on the quantity and the drug |
| 07:50.08 | suppaman | Guerin: ah, where are you from ? |
| 07:50.11 | DawnLight | maddash: some drivers don't support that |
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| 07:50.16 | itom | hi all any know where I can download in live.debian.net a livecd for powerpc? |
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| 07:50.22 | Guerin | suppaman: planet whois |
| 07:50.27 | tarzeau | itom: try their irc channel? |
| 07:50.30 | suppaman | btw how are televisions size measured in your country ? |
| 07:50.34 | Guerin | itom: live.d.n isn't a debian project |
| 07:50.41 | Guerin | suppaman: inches |
| 07:50.42 | maddash | DawnLight: I think ipw2200 -- `iwconfig` shows that the txpower really is 0 dBm |
| 07:50.55 | maddash | DawnLight: s/ipw2200/ipw2200 does/ |
| 07:51.03 | suppaman | Guerin: and what system do you use for daily length measurement ? |
| 07:51.45 | Vasistha | here are a few examples for quality marijuana in Los Angeles: $20/gram, $60 for 1/8 oz (= 3.5 g) or $55 or $50 if you have a good hookup. In Berkeley, $50 or $45 for the 1/8 oz; in Canada, $20-$25 for the 1/8 oz (and it's better quality, too) |
| 07:52.12 | suppaman | Vasistha: you're pretty well informed |
| 07:52.13 | Vasistha | so, as you can see, we interchange the measurements |
| 07:52.31 | Vasistha | suppaman: not necessarily ... those prices might have changed in the last 6 years since I smoked :P |
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| 07:52.42 | suppaman | lol 6 years |
| 07:52.45 | suppaman | I think they did |
| 07:52.58 | maddash | DawnLight: only down side here is that the wlan chip isn't cooling down at all |
| 07:53.03 | Vasistha | when you talk about white powder, all the measurements are gonna be in grams, unless they're in milligrams |
| 07:53.36 | DawnLight | the wlan chip gets warm? |
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| 07:54.07 | maddash | DawnLight: the wlan chip gets HOT. 54-56C kind of hot. |
| 07:54.57 | Nemoder | only 40mg of caffeine in this Dr. Pepper. I think I've been had. |
| 07:55.03 | Guerin | suppaman: we use metric for everything except height |
| 07:55.25 | Guerin | ask most people how tall they are, and they'll tell you 5'7" |
| 07:55.28 | DawnLight | oh now i get it. my friend's box is in one of them tiny htpc cases. it gets warm inside to a level we don't understand why. perhaps thats the reason |
| 07:55.35 | Guerin | then ask their weight and they'll tell you 62kg |
| 07:55.55 | suppaman | Guerin: so most ppl are of the same height, amazing.. |
| 07:55.59 | Vasistha | Guerin: what is that place, uk? |
| 07:56.01 | DawnLight | if someone would tell me 5'7" i wouldn't know what to make of it |
| 07:56.11 | suppaman | Vasistha: don't think so |
| 07:56.13 | Guerin | suppaman: yes, they kill us at birth if we're not properly standardised |
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| 07:56.20 | suppaman | DawnLight: I think it's about 180 cm |
| 07:56.27 | Vasistha | 67 * inch = 170.18 cm |
| 07:56.50 | DawnLight | is that yours? |
| 07:56.57 | maddash | DawnLight: this is a laptop. and it's supposed to be a top-grade business machine. fast. cool. quiet. thinkpad t43. |
| 07:57.06 | suppaman | so ' stands for feet and '' for inches, right ? |
| 07:57.18 | Guerin | suppaman: frightfully perceptive of you |
| 07:57.28 | suppaman | Guerin: I'm a smart guy |
| 07:57.32 | maddash | suppaman: nope. ' " ' stands for inches. |
| 07:58.07 | Vasistha | ((12 * 6) + 1.5) * inch = 186.69 cm |
| 07:58.13 | Vasistha | (my height) |
| 07:58.16 | DawnLight | "'" or """? |
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| 07:58.29 | cheshire314 | my lenny crashed. at boot i ran into some ext3 filesystem errors "EXT3-fs: INFO: recovery required on readonly filesystem." then i'm told some inodes are going to be deleted: http://pastebin.ca/482351 the question is: did i possibly loose some of my files? may the system be broken? (/lost+founds/ dirs appear to be empty) |
| 07:58.30 | maddash | DawnLight: "\"" |
| 07:58.37 | Vasistha | 6'2" = 6 feet 2 inches |
| 07:59.06 | DawnLight | "~"|"~" |
| 07:59.07 | themill_ | I'm finding that network connections drop out after a few bytes are transferred. Box was working the other day on another network but have moved to another network and it's hosed. Any clues? |
| 07:59.26 | suppaman | here tv sizes are in inches and I somehow always found it funny |
| 07:59.44 | suppaman | then I read that in UK sizes were in centimeters, is anyone from UK to confirm this ? |
| 07:59.57 | themill_ | suppaman: inches |
| 08:00.06 | _Rubyxx | maddash, my system says there is no modinfo command |
| 08:00.08 | DawnLight | what could ""debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process"" be? |
| 08:00.10 | suppaman | themill_: ah, nice |
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| 08:00.28 | themill_ | suppaman: no, PITA :) |
| 08:00.36 | suppaman | themill_: never seen a centimeters diagonal? |
| 08:00.40 | suppaman | themill_: why ? |
| 08:00.57 | Vasistha | DawnLight: you're trying to run two debconf processes at once? |
| 08:01.24 | DawnLight | i most certainly am not! |
| 08:01.25 | Guerin | well well, a guy I went to skool with just got life without parole for murdering his girlfriend about 200m from my mother's house |
| 08:01.34 | maddash | given the location of the wifi chip and the tendency of one to use wifi (in the spirit of mobility), it's easy to see how the thinkpad t43 could neuter its businessmen: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Image:T43-thermal-sensors.jpg |
| 08:01.36 | Vasistha | uhh |
| 08:01.42 | Vasistha | that's kinda creepy, Guerin |
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| 08:01.55 | themill_ | suppaman: no, not even in Oz which is fully metric. Not sure about europe though. (silly old english units are a pain..... but try this one..... http://www.google.com/search?q=speed+of+light+in+furlong%2Ffortnight&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a |
| 08:01.57 | Guerin | Vasistha: he was always a bad egg |
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| 08:02.04 | maddash | _Rubyxx: how can that be? try `lsmod` |
| 08:02.04 | suppaman | ok a debian question, I have only a deb entry in sources.list, I'm trying to just copy it for sources, has it a differen syntax or should I just change deb to deb-src ? |
| 08:02.24 | themill_ | suppaman: s/deb/deb-src/ and all is good |
| 08:02.28 | Vasistha | suppaman: copy the line, make an identical one with deb-src at the beginning |
| 08:02.35 | suppaman | themill_: Oz ? |
| 08:02.45 | maddash | _Rubyxx: dpkg -l |grep modutils |
| 08:02.46 | Guerin | suppaman: just deb-src |
| 08:02.54 | themill_ | suppaman: .au |
| 08:03.01 | suppaman | ok that's what I did, funnily my isp provides a deb mirror but it speaks not about sources |
| 08:03.08 | maddash | _Rubyxx: if the above returns no output, then issue `aptitude install modutils`, and you'll be fine. |
| 08:03.23 | Vasistha | suppaman: well, does apt-get update give errors? |
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| 08:03.28 | DawnLight | suppaman: wouldn't hurt nothing to just try |
| 08:03.37 | suppaman | nice it's updating |
| 08:04.00 | suppaman | good thing is that I reach even 500Kb/s with my isp's mirrors |
| 08:04.11 | _Rubyxx | lsmod works...but no driver info there....I guess I'll install modutils |
| 08:04.14 | maddash | _Rubyxx: btw, my shift button wants to know if you could trim off the underscore from your nickname |
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| 08:05.03 | Vasistha | maddash: have you tried tab-completing ruby? my client does that, I don't have to type the _ at all |
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| 08:05.36 | _Rubyxx | Rubyxx is taken,,,,,it used to be mine but somehow the password doesn't work anymore and it seems to much hassle to contact sysadmin |
| 08:05.47 | _Rubyxx | too |
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| 08:05.59 | N`Kr1pt | I have 3 files in a dir: gray, grey and graay, now I want to learn some regex, but why doesn't this work: ls | grep "^gr\?[a|e]y" |
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| 08:06.23 | maddash | _Rubyxx: Rubyxx_ |
| 08:06.39 | DawnLight | what is this process here: """/bin/sh -c /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt || true""" |
| 08:06.40 | litage | do modifications to /etc/pam.d/* come into effect immediately? |
| 08:06.41 | suppaman | do you know a wxwidgets 2.8 repository ? |
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| 08:07.12 | DawnLight | and this """[dpkg-preconfigu] <defunct>""" |
| 08:07.15 | formorer | litage: egrep '^gr[ae]{1,2}y$' /tmp/foo |
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| 08:07.36 | Vasistha | N`Kr1pt: http://regular-expressions.info/ |
| 08:07.47 | aFlag | hey, I had a swap partition on /dev/hda4, I deleted it and created an extended partition on /dev/hda4, but when I boot like that I get this error: http://rafb.net/p/XJuai127.html If I simple remove the /dev/hda4 partition and have no swap it boots fine, it just won't work if I have the extended partition on /dev/hda4 |
| 08:07.58 | formorer | or much better O'Reillys "Mastering Regular Expressions" |
| 08:08.12 | Vasistha | N`Kr1pt: also, I would advice using 'single quotes' in your shell so that there are no other surprises; and ask in #regex |
| 08:08.24 | Vasistha | dammit! s/advice/advise/ |
| 08:08.41 | N`Kr1pt | allright tx |
| 08:08.46 | Vasistha | (earlier today I typed advise when I meant advice :) |
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| 08:10.09 | suppaman | aFlag: you should tell the kernel not to swap there |
| 08:10.21 | aFlag | how? |
| 08:10.37 | aFlag | I can't find anything with /dev/hda4 in any file on /etc |
| 08:10.38 | Vasistha | aFlag: take the entry out of /etc/fstab |
| 08:10.51 | aFlag | Vasistha, i've already done that |
| 08:11.03 | suppaman | did you compile the kernel ? |
| 08:11.07 | aFlag | NO |
| 08:11.08 | suppaman | by your own I mean |
| 08:11.09 | aFlag | ops |
| 08:11.10 | aFlag | no |
| 08:11.16 | aFlag | I'm using the stock kernel |
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| 08:11.37 | aFlag | I'm using etch |
| 08:11.39 | suppaman | maybe a --reconfigure of some package would help but I don't really know what |
| 08:11.48 | suppaman | and I'm getting hungry |
| 08:12.24 | aFlag | I've seen on google I should add noresume and then do an update-grub |
| 08:12.25 | themill_ | aFlag: it's a resume/suspend setting that you have somewhere |
| 08:12.26 | Vasistha | aFlag: swsusp is "software suspend" -- although in this case it's attempting to recover from a hibernated disk image. |
| 08:12.28 | aFlag | but it didn't work |
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| 08:13.20 | suppaman | ok I have to start dropping packages now |
| 08:13.20 | themill_ | aFlag: initramfs? |
| 08:13.22 | suppaman | 300 Mb free |
| 08:14.04 | DukeDrake | re |
| 08:14.11 | DukeDrake | ~pastebin? |
| 08:14.23 | apt | somebody said pastebin was a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste, or http://rafb.net/paste/, or http://pastebin.com is usually painfully too slow and unresponsive to use, use one of the other pastebin sites, or dpaste.com is a very nice pastebin as well |
| 08:15.30 | aFlag | themill_, what's that? |
| 08:15.47 | suppaman | I have repository for sid, should I backdrop to etch (just read the topic)? |
| 08:15.53 | DukeDrake | non of those works >.> |
| 08:16.05 | suppaman | DukeDrake: rafb.net |
| 08:16.29 | aFlag | hm, I've tried dpkg-reconfigure initramfs-tools |
| 08:16.38 | aFlag | let me see if this works |
| 08:16.53 | Vasistha | damn |
| 08:17.03 | Vasistha | aflag: /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume |
| 08:17.09 | themill_ | aFlag: when you first boot, initial settings for the system are read from the initramfs (used to be called initrd) |
| 08:17.12 | DukeDrake | http://rafb.net/p/7t8fG923.html |
| 08:17.28 | DukeDrake | doesn't work with generated pages (.php) |
| 08:17.53 | Vasistha | wow, that took an incredibly long time |
| 08:18.12 | Guerin | DukeDrake: what doesn't? |
| 08:18.42 | DukeDrake | Vasistha: was afk |
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| 08:19.29 | DukeDrake | Guerin: you can fetch (plain) websites with that cgi. I tjust doesn't work with .php ones |
| 08:19.49 | Vasistha | DukeDrake: now we need to know how you are calling it: what *exactly* is $1 |
| 08:19.55 | DukeDrake | On the command line it _does_ work however... |
| 08:20.04 | themill_ | Why can I ssh off my box to anything else, and even use netcat for simple things, but wget or fetchmail (let along firefox etc) gives me hung connections? |
| 08:20.15 | Vasistha | DukeDrake: I would even advise writing $1 out to a file so you can see it |
| 08:20.19 | suppaman | themill_: firewall ? |
| 08:20.34 | suppaman | I'm hungrier |
| 08:20.43 | suppaman | is "hungrier" a word at all ? |
| 08:21.00 | Vasistha | According to aspell, 'hungrier' is spelled correctly. |
| 08:21.13 | DukeDrake | Vasistha: hm.. it seems to work with 'some' php pages >. |
| 08:21.14 | DukeDrake | >.> |
| 08:21.23 | themill_ | suppaman: been looking into that... if I try to tunnel a connection through ssh then the ssh session becomes unresponsive too. |
| 08:22.22 | themill_ | suppaman: can connect to my work vpn, but then get the same problems still which implies not a local firewall problem |
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| 08:24.10 | DukeDrake | ok... it obviously just doesn't work with certain sites... |
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| 08:25.02 | Vasistha | what's that bug that has to do with tcp frame size and broken routers? |
| 08:25.26 | DukeDrake | however: it doesn't work with http://www.augusta.de/~skynet/index.php for example: I can wget that page from command line but not via script |
| 08:25.35 | themill_ | Vasistha: oooo... that sounds like a promising lead... |
| 08:26.12 | ender__ | Can somebody tell me how to enable secure authentication with netatalk? |
| 08:26.23 | ender__ | or point me to a how-to perhaps :) |
| 08:26.31 | Vasistha | themill_: at some point, the 2.6 kernel default began using larger tcp frame sizes, but some internet servers are broken and just throw stuff away, making connections completely broken |
| 08:27.47 | suppaman | bye |
| 08:28.16 | Vasistha | DukeDrake: one thing you might want to do is quote your param: "$1" |
| 08:29.01 | themill_ | Vasistha: you legend.... that's worked a treat. The in-law's old cable modem obviously doesn't like them which is why hand-typed (slow) connections with netcat work but automatic "fast" connections from wget don't. |
| 08:29.15 | themill_ | Vasistha: thanks for your help! |
| 08:29.24 | Vasistha | themill_: it's fixed? awesome |
| 08:29.54 | themill_ | Vasistha: yep looks like... I just dropped the MTU down to 512 instead of 1500 and fetchmail is now sucking in all my email :) |
| 08:30.02 | Vasistha | I was still looking around for that damn link that gives instructions for changing it |
| 08:30.34 | themill_ | Vasistha: google then man ifconfig.... "ifconfig eth0 mtu 512" worked :) |
| 08:31.07 | themill_ | Vasistha: 512 is probably not a sensible number but I don't care about optimising performance.... 1byte/sec is faster than I was getting :) |
| 08:31.08 | Vasistha | nice. not how I would have gone about it, but if it works, it works. And if they get a newer modem, you'll probably be installing it anyway :) |
| 08:32.13 | themill_ | Vasistha: I guess there's probably a sysctl flag to prod it directly or a config file to stick that in, but since I only visit once every couple of years it's not worth configuring, really. |
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| 08:33.04 | themill_ | Vasistha: And yes, I'm likely to be the installer :) |
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| 08:41.31 | uti | hello. where i can get iptables_1.3.7 for Debian Unstable? |
| 08:41.41 | uti | anyone build it? |
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| 08:45.03 | Vasistha | uti: are you sure it's not already installed? /sbin/iptables --version |
| 08:45.49 | Vasistha | uti: oh, er, excuse me -- I see unstable is still using 1.3.6 |
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| 08:46.15 | uti | Vasistha iptables v1.3.6 |
| 08:46.23 | Vasistha | uti: you can either run experimental or roll your own. but you would know that if you're running unstable, because only people who know what they're doing run unstable |
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| 08:46.31 | m4lu6 | ok, so when I plug my usb ipod into this freshly-installed sid box, magic things happen. I'm not used to this kind of magic, so I'm at a loss as to a) which app, system, etc is auto-mounting my ipod. b) firing up this "rhythmbox" app... |
| 08:47.18 | uti | Vasistha im in debian unstable. i know about porblems and so.. just need iptables 1.3.7 deb |
| 08:48.12 | RA3OR | question: how do i delete from iptables this rule : -A PREROUTING -d 80.x.x.1x7 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 2000 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.0.54:2000 ? |
| 08:48.21 | Vasistha | m4lu6: I know that kde is now running an automounting daemon by default; gnome may as well... |
| 08:48.39 | RA3OR | dont tell me by rule number |
| 08:48.41 | Vasistha | RA3OR: you might ask #iptables |
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| 08:49.11 | Vasistha | uti: you'll probably need to roll your own |
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| 08:49.30 | uti | Vasistha ok |
| 08:50.15 | _Rubyxx | Does anybody here use the ATI driver bcos I'm looking at a the website and it seems to have a long list of software that has to be installed as a pre-requisite for using the driver. Like 'POSIX Shared Memory' for instance. Is this true? |
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| 08:50.41 | iturk | hi there friends i having a problem with the boot of my system. I was using grub and then sunddetly i deceive to try lilo so i just made apt-get install lilo but the lilo.conf hasnt created!! now i dont have any bootloader working and i can only access the disk using a live CD. What can i do in order to recover GRUB ???? |
| 08:50.46 | m4lu6 | Vasistha "that something" is running is implied, i would assume it's udev, hal related ... but "what" exactly? I'm wanting to change the mountpoint, and know not where to look. |
| 08:52.39 | Vasistha | iturk: run grub-install from that livecd |
| 08:52.44 | tkr_ | ok. I officially gave up with lenny/sid with my intel i915 and xinerama. downloaded ubuntu and burning it onto cd. |
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| 08:52.50 | tkr_ | its a desktop computer anyways. |
| 08:53.04 | Vasistha | tkr_: have fun in #ubuntu, see ya round |
| 08:53.24 | tkr_ | Ill be here also. Running debian on servers (of course). |
| 08:53.25 | iturk | Vasistha: actually it's being difficult to detect the device |
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| 08:53.57 | Vasistha | iturk: well... can you mount the device in your livecd environment? |
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| 08:54.36 | iturk | Vasistha: this is a laptop with a scsi disk each one should be the device key in /dev/ ? |
| 08:54.50 | Vasistha | iturk: just run fdisk -l |
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| 08:55.15 | iturk | Vasistha: nothing |
| 08:55.29 | Vasistha | iturk: when you say "nothing", you mean there was no output? |
| 08:55.34 | iturk | Vasistha: maybe i need i more updated livecd |
| 08:55.42 | iturk | Vasistha: yes |
| 08:56.03 | Vasistha | iturk: it didn't say something like command not found or anything, right? And you are in a shell, right/ |
| 08:56.05 | iturk | Vasistha: this one it's running a 2.4 kernel |
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| 08:56.22 | iturk | Vasistha: yes i am and doesnt says nothing |
| 08:56.34 | Vasistha | a laptop with a scsi disk? 2.6 sounds like a good idea |
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| 08:56.42 | iturk | all the time it's displaying scandir: No such device or address |
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| 09:00.20 | AnyFile | If I use a program like play or sox I get a message that says Can't open output file '/dev/dsp' , actually this file does not exist. What device should I use (using alsa)? |
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| 09:00.38 | simonrvn | oss emulation |
| 09:00.43 | simonrvn | in alsa |
| 09:00.59 | Nemoder | or try aplay instead of play |
| 09:01.10 | simonrvn | that works too =) |
| 09:01.23 | Vasistha | m4lu6: wish I knew which service was doing that automounting :P I don't like automounting, myself |
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| 09:01.36 | AnyFile | to use oss emulation what should I do? |
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| 09:02.19 | dondelelcaro | AnyFile: load the snd_oss module |
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| 09:04.01 | AnyFile | Module snd_oss not found, in which package is it? |
| 09:04.37 | Nemoder | try snd_pcm_oss |
| 09:04.39 | liable | snd-pcm-oss |
| 09:06.10 | AnyFile | thanks |
| 09:06.36 | RainbowW | in logrotate's apache2 setup, the command is "create 640 root adm" ... if I change this to 644, that will have the (desired) effect of giving www-data read access to the logs, will it not? |
| 09:06.58 | sep | RainbowW, and the rest of the world yes |
| 09:07.16 | RainbowW | sep, considerably less worried about the rest of the world. |
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| 09:09.00 | AnyFile | RainbowW, if www-data is an user add it to the adm group or create a new group |
| 09:09.08 | liable | RainbowW: why not make group www-data? |
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| 09:09.41 | lewis2 | what would this do: $user =~ s/\n//gsm; |
| 09:09.57 | AnyFile | but who write the file root or apache? |
| 09:09.58 | RainbowW | AnyFile, apache runs as www-data. I don't want Apache to have the ability to execute stuff in the adm group. To me that presents the possibility of a remote hole. |
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| 09:11.34 | AnyFile | in that case create a different group |
| 09:11.34 | liable | RainbowW: awstats config is it? |
| 09:11.34 | RainbowW | liable, bingo |
| 09:11.35 | AnyFile | pheraphs www-data gropu already exist too, and use "create 640 root www-data" |
| 09:11.35 | liable | RainbowW: change adm to www-data |
| 09:12.26 | RainbowW | ya makes sense. okay. will awstats chew through old gzipped logs, or am i going to have to drive that manually? |
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| 09:13.27 | sep | manually i belive |
| 09:13.38 | liable | RainbowW: i think you need to run it from the cli to get it to read old logs |
| 09:13.51 | lewis2 | what does '/gsm' mean? |
| 09:13.56 | Vasistha | lewis2: that looks like an odd combination of bash and sed regular expression syntax. afaik, that statement as it stands is nonsense |
| 09:14.12 | Vasistha | lewis2: I might be wrong, though |
| 09:14.21 | liable | lewis2: for a bot? |
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| 09:14.55 | lewis2 | it is in a perl script |
| 09:15.09 | lewis2 | it looks like it removes newlines |
| 09:15.26 | RainbowW | that's fine. and then will not apache create new logs as root.adm and then logrotate will move them to root.www-data later? |
| 09:15.55 | Vasistha | lewis2: maybe ask in #perl |
| 09:15.56 | liable | RainbowW: no, logrotate creates the logs |
| 09:16.07 | liable | the perms anyway |
| 09:16.25 | AnyFile | g stands for change all occurences in the line, not just the first, the other two letters should be similarly two option of the searc/substitute command |
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| 09:16.48 | RainbowW | liable, and apache is running as root (the logging process anyway) so it doesn't matter anyway? |
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| 09:17.50 | liable | RainbowW: apache will be able to write the logs |
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| 09:18.02 | RainbowW | cool ty |
| 09:18.08 | RainbowW | okay next crisis. back to the docs ty :) |
| 09:18.42 | liable | yikes, the wpasupp dev doc is 1008 pages long.. |
| 09:19.09 | RainbowW | liable, print it duplex. |
| 09:19.27 | liable | does that mean both sides? |
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| 09:19.32 | RainbowW | yes |
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| 09:20.29 | smhar | does lenny have any new 'major' features than etch yet? |
| 09:20.37 | chemaja | hate to be a noob, but can someone help me with setting my max [vr]sync on my RIVA TNT on some 15" no-name, no-spec (but seemingly ddc compliant) monitor? i tried xvidprobe and ddcprobe and xvidtune, to no avail. what gives? |
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| 09:20.45 | liable | define "major feature" |
| 09:20.58 | chemaja | the hardware is capable as i've seen other systems handle it |
| 09:21.12 | chemaja | also tried dpkg-reconfigure for the xserver |
| 09:21.14 | Nemoder | chemaja: try hwinfo --monitor |
| 09:21.18 | liable | !hwinfo |
| 09:21.18 | dpkg | somebody said hwinfo was your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
| 09:21.25 | chemaja | Nemoder, thanks, one sec |
| 09:21.27 | smhar | liable, ie, major X changes |
| 09:21.51 | liable | smhar: xorg 7.2, or sson to have |
| 09:21.55 | liable | soon |
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| 09:22.06 | liable | what else is there? |
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| 09:22.46 | smhar | liable, I don't really know, I just want to switch to lenny, but as now it is just the same as etch |
| 09:23.19 | liable | smhar: dont worry, soon it will have shiny stuff, with new shiny bugs ;) |
| 09:23.52 | iturk | Vasistha: block device should be a /dev/sda1 or a mount point like /mnt/sda1! this is because it's saying Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device. |
| 09:23.55 | chemaja | Nemoder, and liable -- what in your humble opinion would have been the "canonical" way to have discovered hwinfo (as opposed to asking a human)? |
| 09:24.08 | smhar | liable, a small bug here and there that will normally be solved with a day, at max is like salt to food :-) |
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| 09:25.33 | liable | chemaja: good question. no idea. |
| 09:25.58 | liable | smhar: hahaha, a small bug here and there solved in a day |
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| 09:26.43 | liable | smhar: you obviously didnt run etch after sarge was released.. it had some serious bugs for quite some time |
| 09:27.14 | liable | and x was one of em |
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| 09:27.38 | _Rubyxx | I have just discovered that my newly installed system has not been set up to access online updates bcos I wasn't online when I installed Debian....How can I fix this now? |
| 09:27.49 | sep | !security |
| 09:27.49 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade". If you're still running woody, consider "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-non-US stable non-US/contrib non-US/main non-US/non-free" for non-us security, or ask me about testing security or unstable security |
| 09:27.50 | smhar | liable, well, that was the case with testing since sarge was in testing,... the first couple of months are hectic but after that it is generally stable |
| 09:28.06 | maddash | how is "Linux" pronounced? I've always spoken, "LIE-nuks," but the characters in mac vs. pc spoofs call it "LIN-icks" |
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| 09:28.32 | petemc | maddash: both ways seem acceptable |
| 09:28.33 | XeN-Lo | hello every body |
| 09:28.36 | liable | smhar: not really, etch had some very bad bugs about half way through the cycle. it really had a bad run for a while there |
| 09:28.37 | sep | _Rubyxx, basicaly it's "edit /etc/apt/sources.list" |
| 09:28.52 | liable | smhar: i would go as far to say that sid was less buggy |
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| 09:29.24 | dondelelcaro | maddash: linus pronouces it LIN-UCKS. |
| 09:29.31 | maddash | petemc: [gasp] but it's LinUx, not LinIx! |
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| 09:29.48 | maddash | dondelelcaro: how do you know that? |
| 09:29.48 | XeN-Lo | i've got a problem with my preseed.cfg file for the automating debian install |
| 09:29.58 | dondelelcaro | maddash: because you can listen to him pronouncing it if you want |
| 09:30.00 | xand | maddash: it's lin-ucks |
| 09:30.07 | xand | there is no lie sound |
| 09:30.08 | liable | and debian? |
| 09:30.13 | petemc | xand: sure there is |
| 09:30.19 | dondelelcaro | liable: DEB-IAN |
| 09:30.22 | xand | not in "linux" there isn't! |
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| 09:30.25 | maddash | liable: DEB- ian |
| 09:30.41 | xand | I used to be naughty and say "deeb-ian" :( |
| 09:30.44 | petemc | POH - TAY - TOE |
| 09:30.47 | smhar | liable, never tried sid before.. but I was happy of the level of testing.. plus... you don't have to apt-get upgrade everything every time |
| 09:30.56 | XeN-Lo | this ligne is visibly not used, ... d-i netcfg/get_domain string myDom |
| 09:30.57 | maddash | liable: I think... I usually pronounce the female part like "Dweeb" w/o the "w" |
| 09:30.59 | liable | i like dee bian |
| 09:31.22 | dondelelcaro | well, ian's girlfriend (now wife) was not named dee, nor was he named bian. |
| 09:31.23 | liable | petemc: tamato |
| 09:31.40 | maddash | dondelelcaro: xand: thanks, I can sleep comfy tonight |
| 09:31.40 | liable | thats what people say, yeah |
| 09:31.44 | Nemoder | well now she has a new nickname ;) |
| 09:32.09 | dondelelcaro | *shrug*; almost no DD pronounces it the wrong way, so go figure. |
| 09:32.12 | iturk | anyone can help me with grub-install i am always getting Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device. |
| 09:32.17 | maddash | Nemoder: yes, because of her great packages. |
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| 09:32.23 | Nemoder | heh |
| 09:32.35 | XeN-Lo | nobody for my the debian installer problem? |
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| 09:33.25 | maddash | iturk: initrd problems? |
| 09:34.09 | iturk | maddash: no when i am getting that error when i do grub-install /dev/sda from a live-cd ? |
| 09:34.19 | liable | clause 193 part B section 7 of the debian devel docs states - though shall pronounce the distro deb-ian! |
| 09:34.34 | maddash | :O |
| 09:34.38 | iturk | maddash: i am doing it because by grub stop working |
| 09:35.21 | maddash | iturk: er, are you grub-installing -ing because of that error, or do you get the error as a result of grub-install? |
| 09:35.24 | liable | iturk: how are you invoking grub? |
| 09:35.39 | iturk | i want grub back to work |
| 09:35.54 | iturk | and it was accidently replaced by lilo during my last time on boot |
| 09:36.11 | iturk | but lilo it wasnt configured |
| 09:36.14 | peterS | grub-install has to tell the boot sector where to find stage 1.5. as such, you really want to run it from inside a chroot where /boot is the correct location |
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| 09:36.23 | iturk | so my boot fuck out |
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| 09:36.29 | liable | up |
| 09:36.29 | iturk | no i am running a live cd |
| 09:36.41 | iturk | in order to get grub back |
| 09:36.50 | iturk | yes thats right liable |
| 09:36.50 | maddash | liable: hah, "feck out" |
| 09:37.21 | iturk | so any idea how to recover grub using a live cd |
| 09:37.23 | iturk | ? |
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| 09:38.06 | magnet | hello |
| 09:38.10 | maddash | iturk: if I were in your situation, I would boot from an install CD and skip to "Install GRUB" |
| 09:38.20 | peterS | iturk: mount your real root filesystem somewhere, like /mnt: 'mount /dev/sda1 /mnt' for example. then 'chroot /mnt /usr/sbin/grub-install /dev/sda' |
| 09:38.27 | magnet | is there a way to set a package as deleted, but without really deleting it ? |
| 09:38.32 | XeN-Lo | 2 sec iturk, ... i read my note on this work |
| 09:38.33 | sep | !fixmbr |
| 09:38.34 | dpkg | So you installed windows after debian, huh? Tssk. Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub" |
| 09:38.36 | iturk | maddash: i already have done that it told me that i need to install the base cd first |
| 09:39.01 | iturk | maddash: base system |
| 09:39.13 | iturk | maddash: so it wanted to format my partion again |
| 09:39.50 | XeN-Lo | what's your liveCD ? |
| 09:39.52 | maddash | iturk: no clue, then. try peterS ' advice. |
| 09:39.59 | iturk | sep: hmm i will follow that |
| 09:40.03 | peterS | better yet, try the more complete version dpkg quoted |
| 09:40.04 | liable | magnet: why do you ask? |
| 09:40.28 | peterS | though the final 'update-grub' shouldn't really be needed |
| 09:40.42 | magnet | liable: we got a old paquet install, my boss doesn't want me to remove it ( it's useless ) but still other softwares try to remove it. |
| 09:40.55 | sep | peterS, but it dosn't hurt either ? |
| 09:40.58 | peterS | correct |
| 09:41.06 | magnet | so if I could set it as 'deleted', it would remain and I could install other stuff |
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| 09:42.13 | XeN-Lo | iturk, i've 2 ways, one with the grub tool and de second with the grub-install tool |
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| 09:43.03 | liable | magnet: trying to go against apts built in smarts isnt really a good idea, you'll probably end up with several broken packages |
| 09:43.09 | iturk | peterS: that one has made: /usr/sbin/grub-install: line 488: /dev/null: Permissions denied |
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| 09:44.06 | liable | magnet: if you really must, and want to try, see /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 09:44.07 | magnet | liable: yea it's not nice, but I don't choose. |
| 09:44.15 | magnet | liable: thanks |
| 09:44.20 | XeN-Lo | i've the same error. like you iturk |
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| 09:44.29 | liable | magnet: theres a big fat warning with doing that |
| 09:44.36 | peterS | iturk: bah, that sounds like something udev-related, I can't help much with that as I don't use udev |
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| 09:44.44 | maddash | magnet: er, `whereis [name of package] > [list of files from package]; whereis [name of package] | sed s/[name of package]://g | xargs rm -r` |
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| 09:45.12 | liable | magnet: you can get yourself into a world of hurt, but its your choice |
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| 09:45.14 | XeN-Lo | iturk, so i've try an other solution |
| 09:45.17 | iturk | XeN-Lo: so maybe it may work |
| 09:45.29 | iturk | XeN-Lo: ok say |
| 09:45.35 | maddash | maddash: oh, shit, don't use that -- it does the opposite of what you want (keeps apt entry, deletes the files) |
| 09:45.40 | XeN-Lo | iturk, do you undestand french ? |
| 09:45.41 | _Rubyxx | dpkg ty.....I discovered that the installer had commented out all my depositories, so I just had to delete the comments |
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| 09:45.46 | maddash | magnet: ^^ |
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| 09:46.11 | iturk | XeN-Lo: no only portuguese spannish and english |
| 09:47.37 | iturk | can i give permissions to /dev/null in order to not get a Permissions denied ? |
| 09:47.38 | cheshire314 | hi! my bluetooth mighty mouse works fine on my lenny, except the mini trackball on top of it. how can i understand if the problem is xorg.conf, bluetooth devices, kernel...? |
| 09:47.57 | maddash | that sounds familiar |
| 09:48.03 | peterS | iturk: you can do 'mkdir -p /dev; mknod /dev/null c 1 3; chmod 666 /dev/null' |
| 09:48.07 | xoz | iturk: did you mount /proc inside chroot? |
| 09:48.17 | iturk | xoz: yes |
| 09:48.18 | mnvl | does debian come with shockwave flash? because it seems to be working on my new install, yet i would have thought it wasn't 'free' enough to come bundled. |
| 09:48.48 | peterS | iturk: but this shouldn't really be necessary ... and if other device files are also missing I don't know what to do about all of them |
| 09:48.52 | xoz | iturk: you need /dev to be the same with /chroot/dev |
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| 09:49.20 | iturk | pererS: it says /dev/null file exists |
| 09:49.41 | peterS | iturk: the bind mount that dpkg mentioned earlier is a way around all of this |
| 09:52.14 | CyberMad | how to allow user "bob" to create directory, rename, etc (full access) to /var/www/ ? |
| 09:52.43 | iturk | !fixmbr |
| 09:52.43 | dpkg | So you installed windows after debian, huh? Tssk. Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub" |
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| 09:53.21 | CyberMad | i mean.. from FTP |
| 09:53.24 | CyberMad | i use FTPd |
| 09:53.31 | CyberMad | sorry, proFTPd |
| 09:53.51 | maddash | if I had my way, Dell would ship its PCs with optimized Gentoo setups... |
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| 09:54.39 | xand | maddash: no swearing in here ;) |
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| 09:55.21 | liable | magnet: thats would add 45 days to the manufacturing process, to compile the OS! |
| 09:55.28 | maddash | oops, wrong channel |
| 09:55.30 | xand | haha |
| 09:55.39 | Gnea | what the fuck? :) |
| 09:55.43 | mike__ | Gentoooooo |
| 09:55.49 | foo | How do I know if the system booted with noapic? |
| 09:55.52 | xand | a gentoo spy ;o |
| 09:56.11 | Gnea | foo: it should say in the beginning of dmesg |
| 09:56.14 | maddash | liable: yeah, but it would be *their* 45 days and *their* cpu cycles that produce *my* optimizations |
| 09:56.31 | maddash | xand: yeah, larry the cow is my roommate |
| 09:56.41 | xand | maddash: your "optimizations" |
| 09:56.44 | xoz | gentoo is not environment/energy friendly. |
| 09:56.44 | CyberMad | so, i got.. Response:550 New folder: Permission denied when creating a directory from FTP with user bob, i don't want set chmod -R 777 to /var/www/ but i just want to allow user "bob" |
| 09:56.56 | liable | we really need to get someone to do some serious benchmarking one day about gentoo and a binary distro |
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| 09:57.09 | liable | its really all heresay from gentoobies |
| 09:57.39 | RainbowW | it doesn't make much difference to me if debian runs 4 microns slower than gentoo, if gentoo takes nine weeks to compile. =) |
| 09:57.54 | honschu | ;-) |
| 09:57.59 | maddash | liable: all I saw in your msg was the fragment, "oobies" |
| 09:58.00 | Gnea | lol |
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| 09:58.17 | foo | Gnea: thanks |
| 09:58.19 | xand | what are "oobies"? |
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| 09:58.28 | xoz | microns is a measure of size not speed |
| 09:58.30 | liable | maddash: that about somes it up ;) |
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| 09:58.37 | Gnea | xand: whatever you wanna put in front of them ;) |
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| 09:59.10 | maddash | haha "4 microns" |
| 09:59.22 | magnet | liable: heh I finally made my boss change his mind |
| 09:59.44 | magnet | I'm going for an upgrade. |
| 09:59.57 | liable | magnet: good for you, congratulate him for being sensible |
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| 10:00.33 | iturk | ok guys thanks for the help the boot from the channel had the right moves. 5 hurrays for the boot !!! |
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| 10:01.40 | liable | did all of you only see oobies or just maddash ?? |
| 10:01.54 | xand | liable: I think it was a joke. |
| 10:01.57 | Ronin | he's pulling your leg liable |
| 10:02.17 | magnet | liable: hehe. |
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| 10:02.47 | cheshire314 | hi! my bluetooth mighty mouse works fine on my lenny, except the mini trackball on top of it. how can i understand if the problem is xorg.conf, bluetooth devices, kernel...? |
| 10:03.34 | maddash | hm, I wonder why ssh doesn't do -C by default |
| 10:03.35 | spheard | hi, Im trying to use ssh keys but my Ip address keeps changing due to a dodgy adsl connection, is there an easy way to reset the existing key to a new IP? |
| 10:03.36 | liable | i have a sense of humour, i just didnt realise it was a joke.. |
| 10:03.47 | maddash | liable: :P |
| 10:04.24 | xoz | spheard: defeats the purpose of security |
| 10:04.42 | spheard | xoz, bugger security |
| 10:04.59 | spheard | Im just testing to get it to work |
| 10:05.37 | spheard | they said, no! you cant migrate virtual machines over a domestic adsl |
| 10:06.05 | liable | use a free dynamic host service |
| 10:06.21 | spheard | liable, now that is a good idea |
| 10:06.33 | xand | dyndns.org |
| 10:06.46 | dutchfish | hi, can someone help me with a modeline for xorg? I have a friends computer running ATI-card, and HP w19 (widescreen), it needs 56Khz Hsync at 60Hz for 1440x900, but xorg defaults to 57Khz no matter what i do, resulting in image that starts 10 cm from left,but is complete (compressed) |
| 10:06.54 | XeN-Lo | or no-ip.org |
| 10:07.05 | mike__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:07.06 | maddash | dutchfish: drxx |
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| 10:07.18 | dutchfish | Madd_Matt, drxx? |
| 10:07.52 | maddash | use the "Advanced" option to manually set up the refresh rate |
| 10:08.01 | xand | !drxx |
| 10:08.01 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
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| 10:09.31 | dutchfish | i did run it but there is no option (not even in advanced) to alter Hsync to 56Khz, i even tried manually adding a modeline calculated from a website modeline calculator at 108 Mhz but that even wont get me to the 56Khz Hsync |
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| 10:10.23 | xand | dutchfish: is it a TFT? |
| 10:10.29 | dutchfish | xand, yes |
| 10:11.01 | xand | dutchfish: how is it connected to the pc? |
| 10:11.02 | maddash | dutchfish: man xorg.conf|grep HorizSync |
| 10:11.12 | dutchfish | xand, vga cable |
| 10:11.14 | xoz | dutchfish: did you cycle through different resolutions? ctrl-alt-+ |
| 10:11.25 | dutchfish | xoz, of coarse |
| 10:12.00 | RainbowW | wow. awstats is ... slow. |
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| 10:12.09 | smhar | I am changing my website host, and I am awaiting for the dns changes to complete. I want to access my site now, so I added my site entry to my /etc/hostes along with its dns.. but it is still loading from the old host! |
| 10:12.22 | dutchfish | max i can get is 1280x900 @60Hz, thats displaying well, but not nice fonts of coarse because its not native res |
| 10:12.25 | xand | smhar: it's /etc/hosts not hostes |
| 10:12.27 | thomas_bayes | hi. I have a problem with emacs |
| 10:12.41 | xand | smhar: and what program is this? you may need to restart it |
| 10:12.43 | RainbowW | smhar, /etc/hosts, and hold down the shift key and reload your page. |
| 10:12.44 | xoz | !xrandr |
| 10:12.44 | dpkg | methinks xrandr is a command-line interface to the RandR extension; used to set the screen size, orientation and/or reflection; |
| 10:12.58 | thomas_bayes | I get Fatal error (11).Segmentation fault when I try to run it |
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| 10:13.25 | dutchfish | xoz, didnt know that one, ill try thx! can it change Hsync to 56Khz also? |
| 10:13.34 | smhar | xand, RainbowW that was a spello |
| 10:13.39 | smhar | and it is firefox |
| 10:13.50 | JunoDewar | I'm wondering, what's the general course of action when debian hangs on you? I can think of only switching tty ctrl-alt-f1 loggin in as root and killing the offending process, but it feels kinda unright |
| 10:14.01 | xand | smhar: did you restart it after changing hosts? |
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| 10:14.44 | xoz | JunoDewar: what app? |
| 10:14.45 | smhar | no, but I will now |
| 10:15.02 | JunoDewar | xoz: generally |
| 10:15.22 | RainbowW | i wonder how many centures this will take to run. |
| 10:15.22 | hon | is there a simple way to recompile all the packages installed on my machine using the gcc and optimization parameters specific to my machine? (you can also ask me why would someone do that, but please do so if you know the answer to the first question) |
| 10:15.24 | dutchfish | last q, crtl-alt-backspace also restarts xorg and reread config? |
| 10:15.29 | xoz | JunoDewar: you can just run xterm, no need to really goto console |
| 10:15.51 | RainbowW | centuries |
| 10:16.03 | JunoDewar | xoz: I've meant hangs on you completely |
| 10:16.04 | XeN-Lo | aaaah i'll become crazy |
| 10:16.24 | xoz | JunoDewar: you mean Xwindows? |
| 10:16.47 | XeN-Lo | how we have to specified the domain in pressed file for the debian installer ??? |
| 10:16.49 | xoz | JunoDewar: if it hangs completely, you cannot even goto console. |
| 10:16.55 | maddash | hon: possibly `apt-get source` on each package, and compile it yourself? or run gentoo? |
| 10:17.01 | RainbowW | how can i bump the priority of a process slightly? |
| 10:17.09 | maddash | hon: why would you need to recompile? |
| 10:17.14 | xand | hon: debian isn't gentoo |
| 10:17.22 | dutchfish | HorizSync 56Khz in section screen or section device? |
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| 10:17.32 | xand | hon: the answer is "no" |
| 10:17.33 | maddash | dutchfish: man xorg.conf |
| 10:17.57 | Super_Cat_Frog | hi - im getting this error trying to mount an nfs share: mount to NFS server 'ww1' failed: possible invalid protocol - ww1 is in my hosts and is correct |
| 10:18.03 | RainbowW | hon: theoretically, yes. is debian designed to permit it? no. are you begging for a concussive fuckup? absolutely. NEXT! |
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| 10:18.14 | JunoDewar | xoz: just some nasty application or games don't let you switch app or anything, and if they hang, what should I do? |
| 10:18.16 | Super_Cat_Frog | and im using this comand to open the ports: rpcinfo -p | awk '{print $4}' | grep -v 'port' | sort -u | awk '{print "iptables -A INPUT -i eth1 -p tcp --destination-port "$1" -j ACCEPT" }' | sh |
| 10:18.16 | petemc | maddash: how useful do you think saying "man xorg.conf" is? |
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| 10:19.50 | hon | RainbowW: I know it is stupid why someone wants to do that (or why someone wants to run gentoo), but the mere existence of such a thing allows me to direct the f**kup to another guy insisting to install gentoo. |
| 10:19.50 | maddash | petemc: in answering dutchfish's question? quite. just search for 'horizsync' inside the man page. |
| 10:19.50 | xoz | JunoDewar: ctrl-alt-backspace? are you running X? |
| 10:20.09 | liable | there is an dpkg-buildpkg world option somewhere |
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| 10:20.24 | RainbowW | hon: let him fuck his own machine up and send him to #gentoo. |
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| 10:20.34 | maddash | hon: why don't you optimize your kernel first? then figure out the next few packages that are creating a performance bottleneck and optimize them. |
| 10:20.36 | JunoDewar | yea it works |
| 10:20.36 | RainbowW | hon: assuming he can get bitchx running. |
| 10:21.58 | dutchfish | i think its the option HTimings but i have no clue how to calculate the parameters |
| 10:22.03 | peterS | maddash: ...but that would require actually _thinking_ and maybe _measuring_ performance problems. which I don't think people of that mindset are prepared to tackle |
| 10:22.21 | hon | there are several machines at _our_ disposal. sure, it's ok for me that he runs gentoo on one of the machines. but the other machines? no! |
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| 10:22.45 | JunoDewar | but me thinks is there a way to force every application to accept alt-tab or something, because it's usually only the process which hangs, and restarting xorg is overkill |
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| 10:22.58 | thomas_bayes | "thomas@estranged:~/dtu/02601/opg3$ emacs21 |
| 10:22.58 | thomas_bayes | Fatal error (11).Segmentation fault" |
| 10:23.06 | hon | I don't care about --optimize bullsh*t. I just to show him the option |
| 10:23.18 | xoz | JunoDewar: blame the game whatever it is to trap alt-tab to something else |
| 10:23.25 | thomas_bayes | I'have tried to remove and install emacs |
| 10:23.33 | thomas_bayes | what can be wrong? |
| 10:23.38 | dondelelcaro | JunoDewar: alt-tab has nothing to do with the applications, and everything to do with the window manager |
| 10:23.42 | jepp | synaptic cannot update |
| 10:23.43 | peterS | JunoDewar: presumably you mean alt-tab as a means of switching your keyboard focus between applications? that is not an application's job to accept, that is the window manager's job. if the window manager has been configured to do this, it will do it, regardless of whether your apps are responding |
| 10:23.44 | jepp | why? |
| 10:23.47 | JunoDewar | xoz: so no way of forcing? |
| 10:24.12 | xoz | JunoDewar: inside the game, it owns you |
| 10:24.15 | dondelelcaro | thomas_bayes: which version of emacs? have you analyzed the coredump to see why it is segfaulting? |
| 10:24.20 | dondelelcaro | thomas_bayes: have you checked the bts? |
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| 10:24.47 | thomas_bayes | how do I check that? |
| 10:24.49 | hon | and it's a pain in the a** and elsewhere to run gentoo, he sets a schedule for updating and installing software. I might aptitude dist-upgrade daily |
| 10:24.49 | jepp | gibt es hier deutschen support? |
| 10:24.55 | xoz | thomas_bayes: might be the config? rename .emacs to something |
| 10:24.59 | dondelelcaro | !de |
| 10:24.59 | dpkg | [de] deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 10:26.22 | JunoDewar | peterS: what xoz said, you can't do shit then game takes over, it's specificly annoying when it's downloading something and you have to wait like a fool |
| 10:26.28 | thomas_bayes | it's not the .config |
| 10:26.28 | thomas_bayes | sorry, .emacs |
| 10:26.31 | dondelelcaro | thomas_bayes: dpkg -l emacs21; strace emacs21; gdb emacs21; etc. |
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| 10:26.44 | suppaman | hi |
| 10:26.49 | peterS | JunoDewar: report a bug in the game, it shouldn't try to take over window manager functionality |
| 10:26.56 | suppaman | I cannot find wxwidgets 2.8 in unstable, am I searching bad ? |
| 10:27.10 | thomas_bayes | estranged:/home/thomas/dtu/02459/beat detect# emacs --version |
| 10:27.10 | thomas_bayes | GNU Emacs 21.4.1 |
| 10:27.10 | jepp | I have a gaim-problem: I can't click on links since I changed my default web browser (Epiphany --> Iceweasle) |
| 10:27.32 | jepp | what can I do for solving that problem? |
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| 10:28.19 | xoz | thomas_bayes: are you running etch? |
| 10:28.29 | thomas_bayes | yes etch |
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| 10:28.50 | xoz | thomas_bayes: what about purge and reinstall? |
| 10:29.09 | hon | btw, another situation regarding building software: there are a several machines I cannot be root on. I have to compile a few things on them. is there a way to pull a package from e.g. unstable (the machines run etch), with its dependencies, and make them install themselves in e.g. $HOME/.local rather than /usr ? |
| 10:29.15 | thomas_bayes | I've used emacs with no problem for a long time, but today i wan't start |
| 10:29.17 | suppaman | thomas_bayes: what did you expect instead ? |
| 10:29.23 | suppaman | xoz: hi |
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| 10:30.06 | suppaman | xoz: do you remember the other day you tried to help with WPA ? |
| 10:30.15 | xoz | thomas_bayes: show us the output of apt-cache policy |
| 10:30.15 | hon | in short, how can I use debian pkg management for non-root installation? |
| 10:31.12 | xoz | suppaman: what happened? |
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| 10:31.13 | peterS | hon: you can't. debian package management was not designed to allow packages to be installed anywhere but where they were built for |
| 10:31.13 | maddash | jepp: this is probably redundant, but what does `update-alternatives --list x-www-browser` say? |
| 10:31.13 | suppaman | xoz I managed to switch the damn router to WPE :-) |
| 10:31.13 | suppaman | xoz my nic driver seemed not to work with wpasupplicant |
| 10:31.14 | suppaman | I mean even with wext driver I had problems |
| 10:31.14 | peterS | hon: even if you could install packages elsewhere, because this is not a supported operation, many packages have hard-coded assumptions about where their data files will be |
| 10:31.14 | xoz | suppaman: yep, much easier to configure |
| 10:31.14 | thomas_bayes | estranged:/home/thomas/dtu/02459/beat detect# apt-cache policy |
| 10:31.14 | thomas_bayes | Package files: |
| 10:31.14 | thomas_bayes | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:31.14 | thomas_bayes | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:31.14 | thomas_bayes | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:31.14 | jepp | /usr/bin/epiphany |
| 10:31.14 | jepp | /usr/bin/iceweasel |
| 10:31.23 | smhar | xand, RainbowW I did restart firefox after the /etc/hosts change and it is still pointing to my old host |
| 10:32.05 | maddash | jepp: does it specify that iceweasel, not epiphany, is selected? |
| 10:32.16 | RainbowW | if you don't know how to refresh firefox's cache i ain't gonna tell you again. |
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| 10:32.37 | smhar | RainbowW, I did that too |
| 10:32.50 | hon | peterS: so I guess there is no way other than ./configure and friends. can I at least pull the source of a package and its dependencies? |
| 10:33.03 | jepp | maddash, I don't think so |
| 10:33.41 | peterS | hon: you want 'apt-get source' and 'apt-get build-dep' |
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| 10:34.05 | peterS | hon: 'apt-get build-dep' needs to be run as root because it installs packages, but 'apt-get source' just downloads stuff and unpacks it in place, so you don't need to be root for that |
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| 10:34.27 | xoz | hon: and perhaps auto-apt |
| 10:34.35 | maddash | jepp: `update-alternatives --config x-www-browser` |
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| 10:34.52 | hon | I know both of apt-get build-dep and apt-get source. |
| 10:35.02 | peterS | hon: then what was your question? |
| 10:35.10 | suppaman | I think there's still no wxgtk 2.8 |
| 10:35.11 | suppaman | too bad |
| 10:35.18 | suppaman | this computer is taking forever to compile it |
| 10:35.26 | hon | I want a non-root apt-get get-dep |
| 10:35.32 | maddash | suppaman: distcc |
| 10:35.40 | suppaman | i.e.? |
| 10:35.50 | peterS | hon: ummm, I don't think you understand how the build dependencies work. they are regular packages which need to be installed in the system locations. |
| 10:35.51 | hon | I cannot have root access on those machines at all |
| 10:35.54 | suppaman | distributed cc ? |
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| 10:36.07 | xoz | hon: fakeroot? |
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| 10:36.25 | jepp | maddash, I've changed it. It stillt doesn't work |
| 10:36.26 | honschu | q |
| 10:36.32 | xoz | hon: ah, ignore |
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| 10:36.46 | suppaman | maddash: seems nice |
| 10:36.57 | jepp | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:36.57 | jepp | * 2 /usr/bin/iceweasel |
| 10:37.10 | suppaman | maddash: but I have only to machines, the ibook and the debian box (p2) |
| 10:37.42 | thomas_bayes | /flood apt-cache policy |
| 10:37.42 | thomas_bayes | Package files: |
| 10:37.42 | thomas_bayes | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:37.42 | thomas_bayes | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:37.42 | thomas_bayes | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:37.47 | maddash | suppaman: you have more than just one machine. distcc would be useful to you. |
| 10:37.53 | suppaman | he didn't learn |
| 10:38.02 | xoz | suppaman: or you can use -j <number of parallel compiles> |
| 10:38.10 | suppaman | maddash: but the ibook is running OS X :-) |
| 10:38.25 | maddash | jepp: gaim preferences, maybe? |
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| 10:38.34 | suppaman | xoz I don't think it's a matter of parallelizing, it's a 400Mhz machine |
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| 10:38.42 | peterS | hon: also, rebuilding a package with different compiler flags is a way of claiming that you know more about how to build a package than the package maintainer does. which I'm willing to bet is usually false. alternatively it is saying that your pentium 4 is so different from everyone else's CPU that you think the compiler will do something significantly different if it knows what your CPU is. which, btw, it won't. |
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| 10:39.26 | maddash | jepp: under Preferences > browser check to see that gaim uses "x-www-browser" |
| 10:39.33 | thomas_bayes | #flood apt-cache policy |
| 10:39.33 | thomas_bayes | Package files: |
| 10:39.33 | thomas_bayes | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:39.33 | thomas_bayes | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:39.33 | maddash | jepp: that's all I can think of |
| 10:39.42 | maddash | wow. |
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| 10:40.03 | maddash | !tell thomas_bayes about pastebin |
| 10:40.06 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@port1006.ds1-vbr.adsl.cybercity.dk] by peterS |
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| 10:40.18 | maddash | !tell thomas_bayes about pastebin |
| 10:40.20 | hon | peterS: well, are the packages build for pentium 4 or for the bare minimum (e.g. compatible with all older pentiums) |
| 10:40.31 | peterS | thomas_bayes: I've set a +q flag on your username, you can spend some time learning not to flood our channel |
| 10:40.44 | hon | *built |
| 10:41.06 | jepp | maddash, I can't see the option "browser check" |
| 10:41.10 | peterS | hon: compatible back to i486. but tuned for generic i686, I believe. how much gain do you expect to get from tuning a package between generic i686 and your specific pentium 4? be honest, now. |
| 10:41.33 | jepp | or anything compareable |
| 10:41.54 | dondelelcaro | you'll have far better luck spending your time on algorithmic improvements than compiler optimization |
| 10:41.59 | peterS | yeah no joke |
| 10:42.14 | maddash | jepp: under Preferences > browser, check to see that gaim uses "x-www-browser" |
| 10:42.27 | maddash | punctuation matters, folks. |
| 10:42.28 | hon | peterS: what if the machines are quad-core xeons does it matter (I hope not) |
| 10:42.35 | vyrus001 | is there a way to merge kernel module src into kernel src and compile it with the kernel monolithlicly? |
| 10:42.43 | dondelelcaro | hon: it doesn't really make enough of a difference to matter |
| 10:42.46 | Swat2 | anyone know how i can delete my gnome profile, it keeps loading up in 800x600 and i cant stop it |
| 10:43.01 | peterS | hon: I still doubt you'll see any difference at all. if you want to take advantage of multiple cores, a compiler can't help you there, you need to write a multi-threaded program (or run several copies of it) |
| 10:43.05 | xoz | !tell thomas_bayes -about confmiss |
| 10:43.10 | dondelelcaro | hon: plus, the actual compiler flags which make a specific program faster differ depending on the program and what you're doing with it, as well as the state of the machine on which things are running |
| 10:43.14 | maddash | vyrus001: it's called selecting "Y" instead of "M" in your kernel config. |
| 10:43.36 | jepp | maddash, I can't see this kind of option in gaim. |
| 10:43.36 | vyrus001 | maddash, the mod src i want to compile is not in the linux kernel by default |
| 10:43.56 | dondelelcaro | (a classical example of this are cases where -Os makes things run much faster than -O2 et al.) |
| 10:44.06 | peterS | dondelelcaro: I've always thought people who look at compiler flags but ignore prelink have a serious perspective problem |
| 10:44.09 | suppaman | bye |
| 10:44.12 | suppaman | lunch time for me |
| 10:44.12 | vyrus001 | maddash, i wanted to know if there was for example a place i could put the src for the module and have it be recognized and included in my config? |
| 10:44.35 | dondelelcaro | peterS: yeah... although, prelink is really only useful for things which are shortlived |
| 10:44.42 | maddash | vyrus001: ah, sorry. in that case, probably not. |
| 10:44.48 | peterS | I mean given the computation you might expect to save for an average program with each |
| 10:45.03 | peterS | dondelelcaro: which would be most processes that you run, really |
| 10:45.03 | hon | great, thanks. It's another guy who inists on gentoo --optimize. I just want to persuade him |
| 10:45.31 | vyrus001 | maddash, damn... ive got a monolithic going and i didnt wana re enable mod suport :)... guess ill have to <_< |
| 10:45.56 | Swat2 | argh stupid Gnome!, gdm displays at 1024x768 which i can see fine, but when i log in it goes to 800x600, how can i change this?!? |
| 10:46.04 | xoz | hon: to persuade him, run both programs in gentoo and debian. im sure the difference is miniscule. you don't need to compile source. the difference is negligible. |
| 10:46.19 | maddash | jepp: press ctrl+p. if you still can't get it, then use google, or some gaim-oriented irc channel. |
| 10:46.26 | hon | and it's kinda hard to keep several machines (not yours) up-to-date when they run gentoo and they are doing actuall work |
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| 10:46.34 | dondelelcaro | hon: oh; if you really care, have him benchmark the differences. Remind him that he needs to calculate standard error. It'll keep him busy for months, and you can get on to real work. |
| 10:46.41 | maddash | vyrus001: what's wrong with "mod support"? |
| 10:47.00 | hon | good idea! |
| 10:47.02 | vyrus001 | nothing... i just have it off because at the moment my kernel uses no modules |
| 10:47.13 | vyrus001 | maddash, i just didnt wana go and turn it on |
| 10:47.38 | peterS | by standard error do you mean standard deviation? |
| 10:47.45 | dondelelcaro | no, I mean standard error |
| 10:47.45 | xoz | running same programs in different distros won't make a big difference. it is not similar to comparing g++ vs java |
| 10:47.46 | peterS | or is this a separate metric? |
| 10:47.54 | dondelelcaro | SE=SD/N^0.5 |
| 10:48.01 | peterS | oh, ok |
| 10:48.04 | maddash | vyrus001: one of the fundamental principles of UNIX is modularity. why the fuck wouldn't you turn on module support? |
| 10:48.21 | dondelelcaro | SE tells you how accurate the mean is; SD tells you how wide the distribution is |
| 10:48.27 | vyrus001 | maddash, cus im not using modules :D |
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| 10:49.28 | dondelelcaro | it's more correctly SEM, but I speak in lab-lingo too much. |
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| 10:49.48 | SlayerXP | good morning hash dweebians |
| 10:50.01 | dondelelcaro | xoz: yes... |
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| 10:50.14 | peterS | morning, Slayer Experience |
| 10:50.22 | RainbowW | how can i bump the priority of a process slightly? |
| 10:50.34 | hon | or eXtraa P** |
| 10:50.37 | peterS | RainbowW: renice -n-3 or so? |
| 10:50.45 | hon | (if it means windows) |
| 10:50.57 | peterS | errr, I mean, renice -3 or so |
| 10:51.02 | RainbowW | peterS, ty |
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| 10:51.18 | maddash | dondelelcaro: you get to use an SEM? |
| 10:51.55 | peterS | he didn't mean scanning electron microscope in this context |
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| 10:52.00 | RainbowW | cat filename >> filename2 appends, correct? |
| 10:52.01 | xoz | sampling distribution theory is too good to be true |
| 10:52.05 | peterS | RainbowW: correct |
| 10:52.21 | jepp | no network devices could be found. What is the problem? |
| 10:53.10 | maddash | jepp: ifconfig; ifconfig -a |
| 10:53.13 | xoz | jepp: kernel module for your network was not loaded or network device no detected |
| 10:53.47 | maddash | jepp: if you can see your device in ifconfig -a, issue `ifconfig [name of device] up` |
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| 10:54.06 | xoz | jepp: lspci |
| 10:54.10 | maddash | jepp: otherwise, do what xoz suggests first and reissue `ifconfig -a` |
| 10:55.09 | jepp | Ispci --> 02:06.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10) |
| 10:55.09 | jepp | 02:08.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): VIA Technologies, Inc. IEEE 1394 Host Controller (rev 80) |
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| 10:55.56 | hon | lsmod now |
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| 10:56.43 | dondelelcaro | maddash: there's an SEM around, but I don't use it |
| 10:57.02 | lewis2 | in php, how do you fix a variable to three decimal places? |
| 10:57.10 | maddash | dondelelcaro: which lab is this? |
| 10:57.21 | dondelelcaro | lewis2: ask #php |
| 10:57.51 | dondelelcaro | maddash: the lab in which I work; rzlab.ucr.edu |
| 10:58.17 | lewis2 | some overflow system active at the moment theer |
| 10:58.38 | jepp | maddash/oxz: I don't know what to do |
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| 10:59.58 | jepp | however, it could be detected |
| 11:00.24 | jepp | but it isn't activated |
| 11:01.10 | maddash | dondelelcaro: haha, cool professor. |
| 11:01.25 | maddash | dondelelcaro: what cells do you use? |
| 11:02.14 | maddash | jepp: reread my msgs, dude. |
| 11:02.30 | dondelelcaro | maddash: we don't actually do work with cells here; we use model membranes primarily. At USC we do work with huvecs and some cell lines |
| 11:03.18 | maddash | dondelelcaro: err, 'USC'? I thought you worked at riverside. and 'model membranes'? so you do computer sims and such? |
| 11:03.30 | maddash | dondelelcaro: we use FRT cells |
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| 11:03.55 | dondelelcaro | maddash: I work at UCR, but we collaborate at USC, since they have a hospital and can get samples from patients |
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| 11:05.07 | dondelelcaro | maddash: no, I actually make membranes using POPC/POPS, et al.; they're model since they're primarily synthetic, and don't contain anywhere near the variety of lipids in human cells... 'course, this means that we can actually kind of understand what is happening in our system |
| 11:05.11 | jepp | maddash, I don't know which name I had to use, this here? ipconfig 02:06.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10) up |
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| 11:05.32 | jepp | doesn't work |
| 11:06.36 | petemc | theres a number of reasons why that is... |
| 11:06.49 | maddash | jepp: geez. it's ifconfig, not ipconfig. and by "device name" I meant the name of your interface. like eth0, eth1, wlan0, wlan1, etc |
| 11:07.32 | maddash | dondelelcaro: if you're using models, then why would you need to collect samples? |
| 11:08.59 | hon | how do you use a pastebin without using a web browser? (is there something like: upload ~/file.txt http://<some pastbin> ?) |
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| 11:10.05 | petemc | hon: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 11:10.51 | jepp | maddash, there still is a sign in the panel, which says, that the network device couldn't be found. |
| 11:11.05 | hon | petemc: thanks |
| 11:11.43 | maddash | jepp: well, does `ifconfig` output your device now? if it does, and you intend to use dhcp, then issue `dhclient3 [name of device]` |
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| 11:12.11 | maddash | jepp: and test your network connectivity with "ping" |
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| 11:14.03 | dondelelcaro | maddash: that's for the lipid membrane work that I do; we also do work on lupus, as well as angiogenesis |
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| 11:15.01 | maddash | dondelelcaro: omg cancer? I knew it -- all the fun stuff happens in Cali. |
| 11:15.11 | xoz | dondelelcaro: my sister is in molecular biology. |
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| 11:15.42 | dondelelcaro | maddash: yeah; they're primarily interested in angiogenesis of cancer |
| 11:16.19 | dondelelcaro | xoz: cool |
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| 11:18.34 | xoz | dondelelcaro: i think we need more computational biologists, stat modeling... have ou hear michael jordan in berkely? i thought 'ts a joke the he is a scientist: http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~jordan/ |
| 11:19.19 | maddash | :O michael jordan is a michael jackson wannabe! |
| 11:19.35 | dutchfish | got my 1440x900 desktop running but now i am stuck at fglrx-driver, when i run glxgears i get Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0" |
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| 11:19.52 | maddash | dutchfish: what video hardware do you have? |
| 11:20.13 | maddash | dutchfish: never mind. make sure the composite extension is disabled. |
| 11:20.33 | jepp | No DHCPOFFERS received. |
| 11:20.33 | jepp | I don't understand, why could the network device could not be found allthough I'm online. |
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| 11:20.38 | dutchfish | madclicker, ati: VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS480 [Radeon Xpress 200G Series] |
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| 11:21.00 | dutchfish | madclicker, where to config that? |
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| 11:21.07 | maddash | dutchfish: man xorg.conf |
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| 11:21.21 | maddash | dutchfish: and type in the extra "d" before pressing <tab> |
| 11:21.54 | dutchfish | madclicker, strange thing is it runs about 3 - 5 seconds on full speeds, then falls back to ultra slow with the mentioned error |
| 11:22.50 | RainbowW | if i take a bunch of apache logs and cat them together, should that not result in a single coherent log? or is there something that would cause a log analyzer to barf on later logs as "corrupt"? |
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| 11:24.57 | endr[a] | hey |
| 11:25.20 | endra | back when I was using gentoo, they'd be dozains of updates a day.. and here I get no updates over a period of days.. am I doing something wrong? |
| 11:25.45 | RainbowW | endra, depends. which version are you using? |
| 11:25.50 | endra | Etch |
| 11:26.15 | RainbowW | then no, you're not. that's the current, stable release. updates to stable are made very infrequently. |
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| 11:26.25 | endra | I meant applications though |
| 11:26.29 | RainbowW | so do i. |
| 11:26.39 | endra | What if.. lets say.. KSIrc decided to release an update.. that'd have to wait for lenny? |
| 11:26.48 | peterS | endra: stable means does not change often. you are running debian stable. you get exactly what you asked for. |
| 11:27.20 | peterS | endra: if you want a lot of churn so you can feel like your computers are doing something interesting other than whatever you actually use them for, run unstable instead |
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| 11:27.45 | endra | peterS: hehe, for the past 3-4 days I've done aptitude update/upgrade and.. nothing lol |
| 11:27.51 | endra | Was just wondering what was going on :-) |
| 11:28.00 | peterS | that would be why, then |
| 11:28.06 | RainbowW | endra, pretty much. many people run lenny as their default distribution (including me). sarge had only 6 update refreshes during its entire life, aside from security fixes. |
| 11:28.36 | RainbowW | you'll want to run aptitude often to catch the security fixes, but in general major updates will be rare if you're sticking with stable. |
| 11:28.36 | peterS | hey, sarge isn't dead yet. sarge r7 is still planned. (: |
| 11:29.08 | endra | Why would they continue updating sarge when they have Etch now? |
| 11:29.17 | petemc | endra: people still use it |
| 11:29.25 | RainbowW | endra, a Debian release is supported for one year after its successor release. |
| 11:29.36 | endra | Ah. okay |
| 11:29.48 | dutchfish | sudo_maddash, you mean add Composit Off into the modeline of my desired resolution? and what about +CSync & -CSync? |
| 11:29.49 | RainbowW | if Sarge needs a security update within the next few months, it will be pushed out through apt |
| 11:29.56 | peterS | endra: because a lot of Debian users, unlike you, cannot just upgrade stuff on a whim. upgrading an installation at a large company means months of research and testing and planning before you deploy. it's not just a matter of "oh look, new release, let's whip it out to everyone" |
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| 11:30.10 | RainbowW | for woody of course, that meant being the supported release for, what, 14 years? or was it 15? |
| 11:30.23 | xoz | debian is known for stability |
| 11:30.24 | petemc | eons |
| 11:30.41 | endra | Woody was before Sarge? |
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| 11:31.06 | peterS | yes |
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| 11:31.37 | endra | So debian is only on its third stable version? |
| 11:31.45 | peterS | endra: if you can believe it, some people _complained_ that Microsoft stopped supporting Windows 98 after only like 6 years. 6 years! big companies simply _cannot_ move fast on software updates. or, at least, there is little incentive for them to want to bother. |
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| 11:32.19 | RainbowW | aye, windows 2000 is still actively supported for security fixes |
| 11:32.28 | peterS | endra: no, debian releases so far have been: buzz (0.9), rex (1.1), bo (1.2), hamm (1.3), slink (2.0), potato (2.1), woody (3.0), sarge (3.1), etch (4.0) |
| 11:32.31 | endra | peterS: it is understandable, getting the environment back the way it was, hiring technicians to do the updates, etch |
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| 11:32.52 | ole | I have made a script to shutdown remotely a machine without having to make slogin, and I have put the script on a taskbar button. Any ideas on how to make some confirmation to avoid accidental clicks on the button? |
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| 11:32.56 | peterS | I might have a couple of those numbers wrong. the names are correct. |
| 11:33.17 | endra | hmm, they've still got alot of toy story characters to go :P |
| 11:33.27 | RichiH | peterS: now you made me feel old :/ |
| 11:33.27 | endra | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Toy_Story_characters |
| 11:33.44 | MoDaX | ole: gnome/kde? |
| 11:33.49 | ole | MoDaX, gnome |
| 11:34.09 | peterS | endra: not in the original toy story movie, not characters who had speaking lines. there are only a couple of those left - Andy and the remote-controlled dune buggy known as RC Buggy. "debian buggy" just doesn't have a nice sound to it, though. |
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| 11:34.55 | MoDaX | ole: kde has kdialog, don't know about gnome |
| 11:35.01 | endra | 'etch' doesn't sound too nice either, sounds like a canadian saying H |
| 11:35.15 | peterS | yes, well, better to be called etch than for everyone to think your release is buggy |
| 11:35.16 | ole | MoDaX, I could use the one kde provides, what's his name? |
| 11:35.28 | MoDaX | ole: kdialog |
| 11:35.33 | petemc | at least the pronunciation of H isnt contentious in canada like it is in northern ireland |
| 11:35.52 | peterS | petemc: oh? what's the issue in NI? |
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| 11:36.15 | RainbowW | there is also andy's mom and sister, no? |
| 11:36.24 | RainbowW | no, sid's sister |
| 11:36.25 | petemc | peterS: catholics and protestants pronounce it differently - aych vs haych |
| 11:36.33 | peterS | RainbowW: I actually don't know, I never saw Toy Story. but I doubt they will use any of the humans' names anyway |
| 11:36.50 | endra | peterS: toy story was a good movie, I'd recommend it. |
| 11:36.52 | RainbowW | peterS, you should rent it. it's actually a pretty cool movie. |
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| 11:37.04 | endra | I think they should go with Toy Soldiers next |
| 11:37.04 | peterS | I saw the sequel, I did like that |
| 11:37.13 | peterS | endra: we had sarge already |
| 11:37.19 | war | Anyone here use a 3ware card but use mdadm instead of the HW raid? therefore exporting each drive to the OS individually/JBOD/how does it work? |
| 11:37.57 | xoz | monster inc is also cool |
| 11:38.07 | endra | hmm I don't think the movie I'm refering too is toy soldiers.. I can't find it on imdb |
| 11:38.08 | peterS | war: errr ... can 3ware cards even do that? |
| 11:39.02 | war | peterS: afaik yes |
| 11:39.11 | tdn | How do I get the hostname of the running machine from a shellscript? |
| 11:39.15 | tdn | (zsh) |
| 11:39.29 | formorer | tdn: guess ist: `hostname` |
| 11:39.30 | peterS | well, the reason to use Toy Story characters was that Debian's dictator at the time was employed by Pixar. he left Debian in the late 90s, I think he left Pixar even before then, so there isn't much reason to stick with a Toy Story theme after the current names run out |
| 11:39.32 | formorer | eh it |
| 11:39.45 | peterS | tdn: uname -n |
| 11:39.50 | ofer | endra, http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0122718/ |
| 11:39.56 | ofer | endra, perhaps this one ? |
| 11:40.04 | endra | Yea! Small Soldiers! |
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| 11:40.12 | endra | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_Soldiers#Characters |
| 11:40.26 | ofer | this is actually a very good movie for kids. |
| 11:40.36 | endra | Chip, Butch, Link, Brick, Nitro, Kip |
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| 11:40.53 | RainbowW | my fav line of the entire movie: "Whaddaya lookin at, ya hockey puck!" |
| 11:41.10 | tdn | formorer, some times I have had problems using the hostname command. |
| 11:41.15 | sudo_maddash | dondelelcaro: just out of curiosity, what sterilization procedure does rz use? |
| 11:41.16 | tdn | peterS, good idea! THanks. |
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| 11:42.04 | endra | I don't recall that line, I watched it at the opening of a major theater where I live, I was 3rd person inside the theater, it was amazing. They had huge models of the small soldiers hanging above you |
| 11:42.05 | peterS | endra: I think the next debian releases should be named for notorious tropical storms. Debian releases considerably less frequently than God releases those storms, so the names shouldn't run out |
| 11:42.24 | peterS | debian andrew, debian rita, etc. |
| 11:43.10 | endra | If we could take a vote on that won, I'd vote no :P |
| 11:43.13 | Swat2 | dpkg raid5? |
| 11:43.13 | dpkg | -- I heard raid5 is see raid or http://www.adaptec.com/worldwide/product/markeditorial.html?prodkey=quick_explanation_of_raid -- also see http://www.acnc.com/04_01_05.html and click the various levels (0 ... 50, 0+1) on the page's RAID LEVEL: bar |
| 11:43.25 | cydork | there was andrew?? i thought they have female names? |
| 11:44.01 | endra | Andrea maybe? |
| 11:44.33 | sudo_maddash | 'debian katrina' |
| 11:44.39 | peterS | cydork: 50 years ago they had female names. then someone decided it was sexist, so now tropical storm names alternate gender. whether the ones that turn out to be big are male or female is a matter of chance |
| 11:44.46 | peterS | sudo_maddash: too obvious |
| 11:44.57 | endra | Arlene, bret, cindy, dennis, emily, franklin, gert, harvey, irene, jose, katrina, lee, maria, nate, ophelia, philippe, rita, stan, tammy, vince, wilma, { all of the greek stuff here, alpha, beta, .. } |
| 11:45.00 | sudo_maddash | 'obvious'? |
| 11:45.14 | Swat2 | dpkg software raid5? |
| 11:45.19 | cydork | peterS: aah ok. |
| 11:45.46 | peterS | sudo_maddash: "obvious" in this context means "the first name everyone will think of when they think about the proposed theme". you never want to pick the first thing everyone will think of. like naming your computer gandalf. |
| 11:46.20 | endra | peterS: actually, the names are preapproved |
| 11:46.36 | endra | http://geography.about.com/od/physicalgeography/a/2008names.htm <-- 2008 |
| 11:46.42 | endra | You can browse through 2004-2009 |
| 11:46.45 | itchi | I have put a DVD burner in a computer. Should i need to do somethings to get a /dev/dvd and be able to burn? On another box, that work out of the box |
| 11:46.47 | sudo_maddash | peterS: wtf is 'gandalf'? |
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| 11:46.58 | peterS | it isn't a tropical storm |
| 11:47.31 | peterS | gandalf is a literary character that far too many people name themselves or their computers for |
| 11:47.44 | sudo_maddash | 'sound like a nazi |
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| 11:48.06 | endra | lol.. naming debian releases after nazies |
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| 11:48.18 | sudo_maddash | oh, no wait -- that was adolf |
| 11:48.28 | nick108 | Hi there, I want to start the svnserver daemon with as non root, but I can't switch to the desired user with su. How can this be accomplished? |
| 11:48.47 | peterS | why can't you switch to the desired user with su? |
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| 11:49.22 | peterS | also, the daemon is svnserve, if you type svnserver you will not get very far |
| 11:49.29 | nick108 | if I do a simple su vu2022 and then id I still get uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root) |
| 11:49.47 | peterS | maybe vu2022 does not have a valid shell |
| 11:49.56 | endra | I think its su -l login -c command |
| 11:50.00 | endra | You wouldn't need a shell in that case |
| 11:50.08 | endra | (I could be wrong) |
| 11:50.16 | nick108 | endra: will try that |
| 11:50.36 | endra | Also, no relative paths (env changes) |
| 11:51.00 | peterS | endra: and what shell will be used to run 'command'? |
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| 11:51.44 | endra | peterS: I don't know, but I recall creating an svn user for svn+ssh without a shell (so they can't login) and I needed to test my post-commit files, so I used that command and it worked fine |
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| 11:52.24 | nick108 | endra: the -l option does not exisit with su |
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| 11:52.40 | peterS | nick108: it does in Debian, what is your OS? |
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| 11:52.53 | cusco | hello dudes |
| 11:53.04 | nick108 | peterS: Debian Sarge |
| 11:53.05 | cusco | I just debootstrapped a amd46 port |
| 11:53.06 | endra | Could be -u for user, not too sure really.. it was a while ago |
| 11:53.13 | cusco | installed the amd64 kernel first |
| 11:53.22 | cusco | I can chroot to it no problems |
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| 11:53.42 | cusco | how can I make that chroot bootable? can I choose to boot from it, from grub? |
| 11:53.45 | endra | Actually, I may have used sudo :P |
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| 11:54.58 | nick108 | endra: Usage: su [OPTS] [-] [username [ARGS]] |
| 11:55.03 | endra | sudo -u user command |
| 11:55.14 | endra | I really am confusing you, sorry :P |
| 11:55.55 | itchi | If dmesg detect my DVD burner, should he not automagically create a /dev/dvd ? |
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| 11:56.34 | peterS | itchi: dmesg indicates the kernel's opinion, the program that manages /dev doesn't necessarily have the same opinions on everything |
| 11:56.36 | xand | itchi: who? :) |
| 11:57.15 | peterS | itchi: it should have created /dev/cdrom, /dev/cdrw or /dev/dvdrw, possibly all three |
| 11:57.26 | nick108 | endra: sudo -u user command works fine, thx! |
| 11:57.52 | itchi | I have put an old DVD toaster in my old P3 500MHz, heh, is he not to old for it? I only have /dev/cdrom :-( |
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| 11:58.01 | endra | nick108: no problem |
| 11:58.02 | peterS | su doesn't document a -u flag, I wonder what it does |
| 11:58.14 | endra | peterS: I meant sudo :-) |
| 11:58.37 | peterS | ahh |
| 11:59.03 | peterS | you actually did say sudo -u, I just wasn't paying attention |
| 11:59.10 | xand | itchi: create the symlinks manually... it shouldn't affect operation |
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| 11:59.33 | itchi | xand: /dev/dvd to /dev/cdrom ? |
| 11:59.46 | xand | ln -s /dev/hdX /dev/dvd |
| 11:59.47 | peterS | itchi: IT DOES NOT MATTER. refer to your drive however you wish. the name is only a name. |
| 11:59.56 | xand | but yes, it doesn't really matter |
| 12:00.11 | itchi | I plan to use it to burn some dvd-rw's a backup machine |
| 12:00.19 | xand | it doesn't matter |
| 12:00.22 | peterS | why, back in my day, we were astonished when the debian installer created a /dev/cdrom link for us |
| 12:00.52 | RainbowW | peterS, it is not necessary to remind us that Jesus was still Joseph's wet dream back in your day. :) |
| 12:01.17 | peterS | kids these days, they think every name they might dream up for a /dev node, udev will already have thought of |
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| 12:01.31 | itchi | So, that is justa symlink? :-) |
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| 12:01.39 | endra | Is there a way I can improve latency on my dedicated server? |
| 12:01.50 | itchi | Honesty, i dunno, i not yet have lock to these things :-) |
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| 12:02.07 | endra | I have a dedicated server (100mbit) and it can handle a gameserver with a bunch of users no problem, but their latency is high (even though they play very smoothly) |
| 12:02.10 | wols | endra: get a faster pipe |
| 12:02.34 | endra | Yea, okay :-/ |
| 12:03.01 | wols | endra: do a traceroute anbd check which server takes so much time |
| 12:03.04 | wols | then kick your ISP |
| 12:03.15 | peterS | itchi: if /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/info is accurate, wodim will find your drive anyway, no matter what links you have to it in /dev |
| 12:03.18 | itchi | Cool, i'm toasting a dvd on my old computer :-) |
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| 12:04.25 | itchi | peterS: hhhm, nice info too |
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| 12:04.25 | mandingo | ugh, /etc/network/if-up.d/mountnfs is the bane of my existence |
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| 12:05.18 | itchi | Thanks guys! |
| 12:05.31 | peterS | itchi: most of that info is the same as you'd get with 'wodim -prcap', btw |
| 12:06.05 | itchi | So now i should understand why that ln -s /dev/hdX /dev/dvd is not made default. Or is that normal? |
| 12:06.14 | kth``laptop | I have an old MB with onboard duron 950, it overheats if under load and there's nothing helpful in bios, I'd like to programmatically slow down cpu clock/fsb under linux, is it possible? |
| 12:06.17 | YoG | hi, I just installed 4.0-r0 and I'm trying to configure wifi usb dongle, I've installed linux-wlan-ng (which worked with ubuntu for me) but I don't get wlan0 interface (or any other), can someone help me please? |
| 12:06.22 | peterS | it is not made default because there is not much use for that link |
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| 12:07.19 | wols | kth``laptop: not really for a CPU that old |
| 12:07.25 | wols | cpufreqd and the like won't work with it |
| 12:07.50 | itchi | peterS: I use the command growisofs -dvd-compat -allow-limited-size -speed=1 -Z /dev/dvd -R -J -udf /mnt/data/tmp/home/david/my_pictures.tar to burn the stuff. I dunno much about cli tools to burn CD/DVD. I just started to do that stuff in cli some days ago |
| 12:08.24 | claudio` | Does Debian provide a package for xlockmore? |
| 12:08.26 | itchi | YoG: Which hardware? |
| 12:08.43 | peterS | claudio`: ask our old friend 'apt-cache search' |
| 12:08.58 | kth``laptop | wols; I was looking into cpucool(works by changing jackass PLL values or some such), it did work on windows and kept the temperature okay, is there no such thing for linux? |
| 12:09.03 | claudio` | peterS: nothing to do, xlockmore is not in the mirrors |
| 12:09.06 | itchi | claudio`: ... and you get the good output, what you want |
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| 12:09.18 | claudio` | .. |
| 12:09.20 | itchi | claudio`: I have it here |
| 12:09.31 | peterS | claudio`: well, it isn't in debian stable, true. a matter of a serious bug nobody could nail down before the release |
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| 12:09.55 | claudio` | itchi: i'm on etch and in my repositories xlockmore doesn't exists |
| 12:09.56 | claudio` | peterS: ah |
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| 12:09.59 | YoG | itchi: I don't remeber, how can i check? |
| 12:10.00 | claudio` | interesting notice. |
| 12:10.10 | itchi | YoG: lspci, lsusb |
| 12:10.18 | peterS | claudio`: (in some circumstances, it wouldn't accept your password, so you were effectively locked out of your machine entirely. this was a bad interaction with some PAM module.) |
| 12:10.23 | jepp | how can I make a Kernel downgrade. NVIDIA drivers don't work with that new one :( |
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| 12:11.01 | YoG | itchi: Bus 001 Device 007: ID 0967:0204 Acer (??) WarpLink 802.11b Adapter |
| 12:11.08 | claudio` | peterS: uhm.. is it possible to use xlockmore without PAM, of course |
| 12:11.13 | YoG | itchi: this is lsusb |
| 12:11.16 | claudio` | so this is a relative problem. |
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| 12:11.40 | peterS | claudio`: well, unless you use the specific pam module that caused the problem (not a module most people install anyway), it wouldn't affect you. but the bug was still serious enough for someone to decide it was best to release debian without the package |
| 12:12.11 | claudio` | Yes, i understand. There is an alternative (non xscreensaver please) to xlockmore which is in the etch repository? |
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| 12:12.18 | XMR2F77 | can i upgrade to linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 with this cpu --->http://paste.debian.net/27724 |
| 12:12.46 | peterS | claudio`: well - you could download the xlockmore package from lenny, it was built before the etch release so it should work on etch. |
| 12:12.53 | Kevin` | XMR2F77 that looks like a modern x86 cpu to me.. |
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| 12:13.04 | Kevin` | (yes) |
| 12:13.45 | XMR2F77 | well it an older VAIO Sony PCG-FX101 |
| 12:14.07 | XMR2F77 | does it depend on RAM |
| 12:14.10 | peterS | older, perhaps, but still a couple generations newer than the oldest machine that runs that kernel |
| 12:14.25 | Kevin` | XMR2F77 does what depend on ram? |
| 12:14.31 | peterS | I'd say you should probably have at least 32 MB of RAM to run Debian, these days |
| 12:14.38 | XMR2F77 | :D |
| 12:14.40 | XMR2F77 | ok |
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| 12:14.50 | Kevin` | http://voidmain.is-a-geek.net/redhat/what_does_386_586_686_mean.html - here's some info about the x86 numbers |
| 12:15.31 | peterS | XMR2F77: the line to look at in your paste is "cpu family : 6", that means 686 |
| 12:15.50 | itchi | How can i create an iso image file of a directory? |
| 12:16.06 | peterS | itchi: genisoimage -o filename.iso directory |
| 12:16.08 | itchi | With cli tools, |
| 12:16.12 | itchi | peterS: Thanks! :-) |
| 12:16.28 | YoG | itchi: lsusb: Bus 001 Device 007: ID 0967:0204 Acer (??) WarpLink 802.11b Adapter |
| 12:16.43 | peterS | itchi: you probably want -r as well, that allows rock ridge (long filename support for Unix). the iso-9660 standard has severe filename length limits |
| 12:16.48 | XMR2F77 | nice thanx for the help |
| 12:17.03 | itchi | YoG: Yeah, sorry, i dunno about that hardware :-( I hope that you talked about a dlink one, one that i have. But for this one, i may not of that much help :-s |
| 12:17.38 | YoG | itchi: I think it's a prism2 chipset, I don't think the brand matters... |
| 12:17.49 | peterS | itchi: and of course genisoimage has a zillion other options, one interesting one being -J (Microsoft long filenames - they couldn't just use Rock Ridge, now, could they) |
| 12:18.31 | peterS | thus a lot of people always use 'genisoimage -r -J' so that all operating systems can read the CD with filenames that haven't been truncated to fit into ISO-9660 |
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| 12:19.10 | itchi | peterS: Good tip! Like usual :-) |
| 12:19.24 | itchi | peterS: That was btw my problem too :-) |
| 12:19.26 | Miles_Prower | I am attempting to install pidgin, and it requires libpurple.so etc... I used alien on the rpm to get it to install on my debian system. I did a find to locate libpurple, it's nowhere on my system |
| 12:19.39 | Miles_Prower | I would like assistance locating/installing libpurple. |
| 12:19.59 | itchi | YoG: I may suggest to do a search on linux + brandname, got some little info. Maybe go that way |
| 12:20.23 | peterS | Miles_Prower: it is part of pidgin. the packages in question are named 'pidgin' and 'pidgin-data' in Debian unstable. |
| 12:20.32 | YoG | itchi: thanx for the tip |
| 12:20.47 | Miles_Prower | peterS: I'm not running unstable. |
| 12:21.06 | Miles_Prower | peterS: I know well that it's part of pidgin, that's what i am trying to install. |
| 12:21.54 | peterS | Miles_Prower: if you aren't using debian packages, why ask us about them? I told you it's part of pidgin, you can track it down from there |
| 12:21.55 | itchi | Miles_Prower: I have compile that from source, got no probs on my Testing box |
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| 12:22.24 | itchi | Miles_Prower: I made use of 'paco' as source package manager to track the installed stuff down |
| 12:22.25 | Miles_Prower | itchi: I tried to compile it, got an error that the XML::Perl wasn't configured |
| 12:22.35 | peterS | Miles_Prower: also, if you don't want to run unstable, the package in debian stable is named 'gaim' |
| 12:22.37 | itchi | Miles_Prower: On a Lenny box? |
| 12:22.45 | Miles_Prower | itchi: yes |
| 12:22.49 | Miles_Prower | wait. |
| 12:22.53 | Miles_Prower | no. =P |
| 12:23.25 | itchi | Anyway, i just installed it cause i friend of my absolutely wanted it heh, and i just have install it as test too. Heh time for a paco -r now :-p |
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| 12:23.56 | Miles_Prower | peterS: I am attempting to get pidgin as it supposedly handles file transfers without segfaulting every single time, unlike gaim |
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| 12:24.30 | itchi | Miles_Prower: Look maybe for another client?? |
| 12:24.56 | Miles_Prower | itchi: All the others I've tried are worse than GAIM. so it's a choice between bad and worse. |
| 12:25.11 | itchi | Miles_Prower: amsn? |
| 12:25.27 | itchi | Miles_Prower: Honesty, i not use that much these msn things |
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| 12:25.41 | peterS | Miles_Prower: did you test gaim 2.0 beta, or gaim 1.x? I'm guessing the difference between gaim 2.0 beta5 (in etch) and pidgin 2.0.0 (in unstable) is relatively small. I'd expect the difference between gaim 1.x and gaim 2.0 beta to be a lot bigger. but what do I know, my only use of IM is IRC |
| 12:25.43 | itchi | irc rocks much more :-p |
| 12:26.13 | Miles_Prower | peterS: There is no GAIM 2.0, it has been renamed Pidgin. |
| 12:26.26 | peterS | Miles_Prower: ummm. I know that. did you read what I wrote? |
| 12:26.38 | Miles_Prower | peterS: Yes. |
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| 12:26.50 | peterS | Miles_Prower: then I wonder why you thought that I thought there was a gaim 2.0 |
| 12:27.08 | Miles_Prower | peterS: Due to you asking if I tested it. |
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| 12:27.21 | peterS | Miles_Prower: I asked if you tested gaim 2.0 beta. I didn't say anything about gaim 2.0 |
| 12:28.35 | peterS | the gaim package in debian is labeled as 2.0.0 beta 5. (and beta 6 was packaged later, but is not in debian stable.) I gather that 2.0.0 beta 6 was not long before pidgin 2.0.0. |
| 12:29.07 | Miles_Prower | peterS: That helps. Thank you for deobfuscating that for me. |
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| 12:30.05 | peterS | anyway. go ahead and install pidgin from some other source if you want. but gaim 2.0.0 beta5 is likely to be similar, and is already in debian, so that just might be easier for you. I guess that's what I was saying. |
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| 12:30.28 | Miles_Prower | peterS: so if I apt-got GAIM and are currently doing ~weekly apt-get updates.. I should already have it, yes? |
| 12:30.39 | peterS | Miles_Prower: see for yourself: dpkg -l gaim |
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| 12:30.51 | Miles_Prower | Yep.. my about in gaim says 2.0.5 beta |
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| 12:31.43 | itchi | Now, burning a CD from an image ... :-p |
| 12:31.50 | itchi | In cli! heh |
| 12:32.09 | vchrizz | ive got 4 ide disks for my system and a pci ide controller for a fifth disk and my dvdrom, ive got these device files: /srv/game-data/_STUFF/MP3/_FAV/_TopChrits-BestFav/core/Muffler-Embrace.mp3 |
| 12:32.13 | peterS | itchi: 'wodim filename.iso'. the options I use are -v -eject. -v for verbose output as it is working, -eject to eject the disc after it is done. |
| 12:32.13 | vchrizz | /srv/game-data/_STUFF/MP3/_FAV/_TopChrits-BestFav/core/muffler-embrace_(spl_remix).mp3 |
| 12:32.17 | vchrizz | oops |
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| 12:32.19 | vchrizz | /srv/game-data/_STUFF/MP3/_FAV/_TopChrits-BestFav/core/Narkotek-Adieu.mp3 |
| 12:32.27 | Wyzard | peterS: pidgin is in unstable, btw |
| 12:32.31 | itchi | peterS: You are so great! :-) |
| 12:32.32 | peterS | Wyzard: I said that already |
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| 12:32.44 | peterS | Wyzard: he isn't running unstable |
| 12:32.55 | mandingo | pidgin still doesnt do sexy message clustering ala adium, why bother? :) |
| 12:33.07 | Wyzard | peterS: ok -- I wasn't following the conversation, just saw you mention getting it from some other source |
| 12:33.21 | peterS | mandingo: I don't see adium in debian, are you still working on packaging it? |
| 12:33.34 | Miles_Prower | mandingo: Adium is a different frontend for the same engine. |
| 12:33.35 | mandingo | peterS: the why bother being the upgrade from gaim |
| 12:33.40 | vchrizz | ive got 4 ide disks for my system and a pci ide controller for a fifth disk and my dvdrom, ive got these device files: block special: hda(3/0),hdb(3/64),hdc(22/0),hdd(22/64),hde(33/0) - hdf should be my dvdrom but there is no hdf, so i tried creating /dev/hdf via mknod /dev/hdf b 33 64 but it doesnt work...? |
| 12:33.55 | mandingo | Miles_Prower: yes, which is why I'm amazed no one has made a plugin |
| 12:34.44 | Wyzard | vchrizz: hdf should've been created automatically if the device was detected, so maybe it isn't connected properly |
| 12:35.02 | Wyzard | vchrizz: Check that you don't have a loose cable, or both drives set as master, or something like that |
| 12:35.06 | vchrizz | the dvdrom is recognized at boot up.. |
| 12:35.20 | wols | and if ti is, what devce is it? |
| 12:35.33 | peterS | vchrizz: if the drive is on a separate cable as a master, it will be hdg, not hdf |
| 12:35.48 | vchrizz | i can access to my disk at hde but not mount any cd/dvd from hdf |
| 12:36.10 | wols | if the kernel recognizes it you see a device file associated with it too |
| 12:36.13 | wols | what is it? |
| 12:36.15 | vchrizz | hde = harddisk, primary master |
| 12:36.21 | peterS | vchrizz: check /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/info to see if it's detected by the kernel |
| 12:36.22 | vchrizz | hdf = dvdrom, primary slave |
| 12:36.51 | vchrizz | peterS: no such file |
| 12:37.04 | peterS | vchrizz: oh, try 'modprobe ide-cd' |
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| 12:38.28 | vchrizz | kate:~# grep NEC /var/log/messages |
| 12:38.30 | vchrizz | May 10 19:42:12 kate kernel: [ 35.671912] hdf: _NEC DVD_RW ND-3540A, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive |
| 12:39.06 | peterS | never mind then. listen or don't listen, but I'm not going to repeat myself |
| 12:41.51 | vchrizz | i compiled my kernel by myself, got no ide-cd module... sec, im checking my kernel conf |
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| 12:41.51 | vchrizz | but do i need this module if the dvd drive is beeing recognized by pdc202xx_new (mod for pci ide card) |
| 12:42.00 | Wyzard | yes, you do |
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| 12:42.42 | Wyzard | pdc202xx_new recognizes the drive as connected, and can ask it what it is -- that's the "grep NEC" line you pasted |
| 12:43.00 | Wyzard | but it cannot actually speak the ATAPI protocol to it, to utilize it as a CD-ROM drive |
| 12:43.15 | Wyzard | ide-cd provides that |
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| 12:45.06 | pingouin | i look to change cpu/mobo and go for intel core2duo / quad, anyone own a kind of mobo and tell me on wich an Etch cd will boot and install without trouble - still have DVD player/burner in IDE and 2 hard drive in ATA 100/133) ? any feedback would be great to make the good choose....thanks you very much |
| 12:45.07 | vchrizz | ah, i see ... |
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| 12:46.09 | Wyzard | pingouin: I use an Abit AB9 Pro motherboard with a Core 2 Duo E6600 processor, and etch supports the onboard SATA just fine |
| 12:46.43 | vchrizz | Wyzard: do you know the symbol to enable in kernel config? |
| 12:47.13 | Wyzard | pingouin: In the BIOS, I put the SATA controller into AHCI mode -- this is a good idea to do if your controller supports it (Intel's built-in controllers in their chipsets, plus some JMicron controllers and a few others) because it gives you NCQ and hotplug support |
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| 12:47.41 | Wyzard | pingouin: but my Intel and JMicron SATA controllers would be supported even if they weren't in AHCI mode |
| 12:47.52 | Wyzard | vchrizz: "IDE CD-ROM support" or something like that |
| 12:48.13 | peterS | Wyzard: indeed, these days so many vendors are doing AHCI chips, you get the feeling that only a few vendors _aren't_ |
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| 12:48.19 | Wyzard | vchrizz: You came here asking why your CD-ROM drive doesn't show up in /dev after compiling a custom kernel which lacks CD-ROM support? :-P |
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| 12:51.34 | Wyzard | peterS: I was pleasantly surprised when a BIOS update added AHCI support to the JMicron controller |
| 12:51.34 | peterS | nice |
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| 12:51.35 | maddash | amphi, simonrvn: wooot I found the tickless patch for 2.6.20! now I can finally undervolt AND have dynamic ticks! |
| 12:51.35 | Wyzard | peterS: or at least, added a BIOS option for enabling it... I guess the hardware was capable of it already |
| 12:51.35 | maddash | amphi, simonrvn: http://www.tglx.de/projects/hrtimers/ |
| 12:51.35 | vchrizz | Wyzard: well, IDE_GENERIC is enabed but i dont see IDE_CD or something similar using 2.6.21 .. |
| 12:51.35 | pingouin | Wyzard: good, thanks for the mobo references, and the tips |
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| 12:51.35 | peterS | vchrizz: 'ide generic' is not at all the same thing as ide-cd |
| 12:51.36 | Noborusan | can anyone tell me in etch installation where to select file system ? |
| 12:51.36 | Wyzard | peterS: Unfortunately, there don't seem to be any AHCI controllers available as PCI add-in cards... I went looking but everything seems to be Silicon Image 3112, which is useless because that's what I'm trying to replace |
| 12:51.36 | Noborusan | such as xfs and etc,i don't find this option |
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| 12:52.49 | peterS | vchrizz: seriously, if you can't find "Include IDE/ATAPI CDROM support", you should rethink this plan you have of building a custom kernel. it's not like Debian kernel binaries don't _work_. |
| 12:52.57 | Wyzard | Noborusan: In the partitioning step, when you're in the partition editor -- either if you choose "manual partitioning", or I think you get a chance to confirm the layout if you use the automatic option |
| 12:53.08 | vchrizz | peterS: ya, sure .. but i cant find any other additional options for cd/dvd .. i enabled everything what got to do with the drive, the pci ide controller, ide stuff, cd/dvd filesystems ... im searching for ide-cd but cant find it? |
| 12:53.17 | Wyzard | Noborusan: Choose your partition and press Enter to see its details, and look at the "Use As:" line |
| 12:53.19 | peterS | it's there |
| 12:53.23 | Noborusan | Wyzard, Thanks ! let me check |
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| 12:54.24 | peterS | it is named CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDECD if the menu entry I just gave you isn't helping |
| 12:54.26 | vchrizz | peterS: i dont want to say that im like a pro or something, but i know custom kernel compiling :) standard debian kernels dont have patches like -rt and are overloaded with modules i dont need |
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| 12:54.52 | Wyzard | vchrizz: Custom patches are one thing, but unnecessary modules are harmless |
| 12:54.58 | mkl1525 | Hi, is there a way to go back after an apt-get upgrade if I notice that something goes wrong with the new packages? |
| 12:55.10 | Wyzard | vchrizz: They never get loaded, so aside from a few megabytes of disk space they make no difference at all |
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| 12:55.58 | vchrizz | i dont get it, cant find BLK_DEV_IDECD in make menuconfig.. sec ill grep the .config |
| 12:56.23 | Wyzard | vchrizz: In the menu titled "ATA/ATAPI/MFM/RLL support" |
| 12:56.24 | peterS | Wyzard: there is the small matter of making sure they _don't_ get loaded. IDE modules in particular are troublesome - some initrd generators load a pile of those that you don't need, and you can't unload them later, because they mark themselves as permanent |
| 12:56.34 | Wyzard | vchrizz: The option is called "Include IDE/ATAPI CDROM support" |
| 12:56.42 | peterS | Wyzard: I already told him what the option was called |
| 12:56.53 | peterS | maybe he's using a different 2.6.21 than I am |
| 12:56.58 | Wyzard | vchrizz: and it seems to be on line 10 in that menu |
| 12:57.25 | cafuego | Note that 2.6.21 with the new ata drivers wopuld do via via scsi cdrom and ide-scsi |
| 12:57.31 | Wyzard | vchrizz: (though I'm not actually using 2.6.21, I'm using a snapshot of Linus's git tree, so there's a chance the line numbers might be different) |
| 12:57.50 | Wyzard | cafuego: It can, but legacy ide-cd is still available |
| 12:57.57 | peterS | cafuego: well, we know he isn't using the ata drivers, or he would have reported different device names |
| 12:58.00 | vchrizz | yep, got it ... strange it doesnt show up in make menuconfig... |
| 12:58.35 | Wyzard | cafuego: and I don't think ide-scsi would be used in that case... the entire IDE controller would just show up as SCSI |
| 12:58.43 | vchrizz | ok, you |
| 12:58.43 | cafuego | peterS: he probably faked them using udev |
| 12:58.50 | vchrizz | ok, you're right, it wasnt enabled |
| 12:59.00 | vchrizz | enabled it and building kernel again |
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| 13:01.38 | Noborusan | Wyzard, hi,would you tell me if i want to install a very very basic system rather than 'base system',how to do ? |
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| 13:02.33 | peterS | Noborusan: the simple way is to install the base system, then after it is up and running, go into aptitude and start removing stuff you don't want |
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| 13:02.37 | Wyzard | Noborusan: The base system is a small set of core packages that every system has, and many of which are absolutely necessary |
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| 13:02.49 | Wyzard | Noborusan: You can install other stuff afterward |
| 13:02.53 | fengor | Noborusan: install base-system and then aptitude install the additional stuff you need for your very basic system |
| 13:02.57 | maddash | Noborusan: the "base system" tasksel is already a basic system. if it's not basic enough for you, then try LFS |
| 13:03.14 | maddash | Noborusan: or debootstrap |
| 13:03.34 | Noborusan | I see,thanks for you all :) |
| 13:04.09 | RainbowW | i have old apache logs from logrotate that i've un-gz'd and catted into a single file. awstats says that the first of these is okay but all the remaining entries are corrupt. what gives? |
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| 13:05.25 | Noborusan | by the way,if i would create only 3 partitions,that is /boot, swap and / ,i should set /boot and / all as primary and as beginning ? |
| 13:05.26 | amphi | maddash: oh rabjous day! BTW, why do you need dynamic ticks? |
| 13:05.27 | TraceGreen | Hello, Does linux support Intel's DQ965WC motherboard? Or where shall i get the info of motherboard linux supported? |
| 13:05.53 | Kevin` | Noborusan there's no need for / to be primary or at the beginning |
| 13:06.06 | Kevin` | boot should be both, for maximum compatability on old crap |
| 13:06.12 | Noborusan | kevin`I see |
| 13:06.16 | Kevin` | swap should be at the beginning for performance reasons |
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| 13:06.37 | xoz | Noborusan: good idea not to place /boot in another partition. |
| 13:07.04 | Wyzard | Kevin`: unless you have lots of RAM and won't be using swap much, in which case it's better to have filesystems getting that performance benefit, rather than unused swap space |
| 13:07.08 | petemc | Noborusan: why do you think you need a seperate boot partition? |
| 13:07.57 | krifur | how can change the default browser associate with thunderbird (i want to switch from konqueror to firefox) thx |
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| 13:08.02 | petemc | isnt the idea of different areas of the disk being faster a tad.. anachronistic? |
| 13:08.53 | Wyzard | petemc: No, it's still true... take a look at disk benchmarks on a review site such as tomshardware |
| 13:08.53 | maddash | amphi: I don't know the details, but basically, it allows the kernel to stop (or lower the frequency of [?]) the timer whenever the cpu is in idle. this makes for additional power conservation. |
| 13:08.54 | Noborusan | kevin`but when im doing partiting swap and /,it still asks me 'primary or logic' ? |
| 13:08.58 | amphi | maddash: ah - I wasn't aware of that, thanks |
| 13:08.59 | Kevin` | Noborusan doesn't matter |
| 13:09.03 | Noborusan | okay |
| 13:09.24 | maddash | amphi: I don't "need" it, per se, but it's getting harder and harder to keep up the 3.5 hr battery life what with the li-ion aging and all |
| 13:09.27 | amphi | maddash: do you see any perceptible difference? |
| 13:09.40 | maddash | amphi: yeah. +.5 hrs. |
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| 13:09.45 | Wyzard | petemc: It has to do with angular velocity vs. linear velocity -- the outside edge of the disk surface can be read faster |
| 13:10.03 | amphi | maddash: that's perceptible ;) |
| 13:10.22 | petemc | Wyzard: i was vaguely aware of that - i still dont think its hugely relevant... |
| 13:10.29 | xoz | faster by 0.00001 seconds |
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| 13:10.32 | maddash | amphi: note that most of the time during my benchmark was spent reading pdfs [read: studying for finals :( ] |
| 13:10.45 | vchrizz | uhm, i get some warnings at kernel compiling like: include/asm/xor.h:523: warning: ‘xor_block_p5_mmx’ defined but not used - kernel works though, im just interested what i can do to get no warnings? |
| 13:10.52 | Wyzard | petemc: It's not a huge difference, but it's a difference nonetheless, and it doesn't hurt to be aware of it |
| 13:11.13 | xoz | vchrizz: gcc compiler switch |
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| 13:11.52 | Wyzard | vchrizz: Fix that piece of code so it doesn't define a variable and then never use it |
| 13:12.00 | Wyzard | vchrizz: and then contribute your fix back to the kernel developers :-) |
| 13:12.13 | xoz | vchrizz: it is there for a reason but if you are not into testing, you can disable it. |
| 13:12.32 | magnet | heh guys, after updating I noticed I have port 56009/tcp listening, anyone know how I can know what process use it ? I tried with fuser/lsof, it don't show up... |
| 13:12.41 | omg0_ | Does anyone here have all these: REQUIREMENTS 1. 4 years of hands on network engineering experience; 2 years Layer 2/Switching; 2 years Layer 3/Routing 2. 3 years Linux network engineering 3. 3 years Open Source tools and technologies experience 4. Knowledge of firewalls from multiple vendors. 5. Ability to analyze customers existing network and collaboratively determine the appropriate placement of the appliance. 6. Ability t |
| 13:12.44 | Noborusan | hmm,it automatically installs 'base system',seems it is as a default |
| 13:12.56 | vchrizz | Wyzard: i thought of that already, but my coding ability is not that good yet ;) |
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| 13:13.21 | Wyzard | omg0_: This isn't a place to recruit |
| 13:13.31 | xoz | omg0_: /topic |
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| 13:13.44 | omg0_ | Not recruiting |
| 13:13.46 | Wyzard | Noborusan: The base system is core stuff like libc, init, login, the startup scripts, etc. |
| 13:13.47 | iwkse | hi all, isn't opera in debian repo? |
| 13:13.59 | Noborusan | Wyzard, yeah |
| 13:14.02 | Wyzard | vchrizz: then don't worry about the warning -- it's harmless |
| 13:14.18 | Wyzard | Noborusan: What's wrong with installing those things by default? |
| 13:14.19 | omg0_ | wyzard: Just trying to see if that was an unfair requirement |
| 13:14.50 | xoz | omg0_: just a guideline, you can bargain for it i think. |
| 13:14.58 | vchrizz | xoz: how do i disable it? do you mean commenting the stuff out in the code? |
| 13:14.58 | Noborusan | Wyzard, i meant,in old debian releases,they allowed me to choose what to install during installation,in this etch it auto starts installing base system |
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| 13:15.30 | xoz | vchrizz: yep or man gcc about the switch to disable warning. |
| 13:15.30 | Wolfcastle | Noborusan: try expert mode |
| 13:15.44 | vchrizz | Wyzard: i know its harmless, i worry about it though :P |
| 13:15.47 | Wyzard | Noborusan: The base system is the core stuff that essentially everyone needs, and that's always been installed first afaik |
| 13:16.02 | Wyzard | Noborusan: When that's done, you get to the tasksel step, where you can choose additional things to install |
| 13:16.04 | Noborusan | Wolfcastle, i didnt meet that menu and it already installs base system now |
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| 13:16.19 | Noborusan | oh i see |
| 13:16.43 | xoz | vchrizz: if you are programming the code, you will worry that because you have an unused variable... warning is to remind the programmer he might have forgotten to use it. |
| 13:17.03 | stew | iwkse: its would not be legal for debian to redistribute opera. the opera license does not in any way allow redistribution |
| 13:17.59 | vchrizz | xoz: ah! so better commenting the variable or rather use it? |
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| 13:18.18 | iwkse | stew: ok! thanks for your reply |
| 13:18.19 | Noborusan | Does debian have a static steam to mantance the core debian system and accept and verify packages subscribed from the users world wild ? |
| 13:18.31 | Noborusan | s/steam/team |
| 13:18.40 | DJGlooM | hello everybody |
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| 13:19.03 | peterS | vchrizz: you keep contradicting yourself. experienced at building kernels ... can't find the IDE CD option. you know the warning is harmless ... but you don't actually know what the warning means or how to disable it. at some point you should decide on which truth to tell |
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| 13:19.13 | xoz | vchrizz: it is more of preemptive warning. the idea is if you defined/declared a variable, you will use it. otherwise, dont define/declare it. but defining or declaring a variable will not produce error. |
| 13:19.20 | vchrizz | im like a little bit bored and while learning/using linux, im looking to fix errors or report problems .. :) whatever im able too |
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| 13:19.53 | Noborusan | vchrizz, i learn linux that i will need it for my server :) |
| 13:19.55 | liable | weird, acroread was just connected to 204.152.186.63, which is internet systems consortium.. |
| 13:20.12 | liable | wtf it was accessing the web i dont know |
| 13:20.20 | Wyzard | Noborusan: Debian doesn't take packages from "just anyone" out on the world, only from approved people called Debian Developers |
| 13:20.31 | peterS | really though, 'unused variable' in kernel land usually looks worse after you "fix" it than before. otherwise someone would've fixed it already. |
| 13:20.35 | Wyzard | Noborusan: but the people who control what actually goes into the archive are called ftp-masters |
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| 13:21.04 | Noborusan | Wyzard, so how many of them belong to that ftp-masters ? |
| 13:21.05 | xoz | vchrizz: for example you declared, it and its, as two different variables. if you used it and there are part of the code that you should use its but forgot to, the warning can help you... |
| 13:21.26 | vchrizz | peterS: im still learning so i know already some things but not everything.. :) and im always open to learn even more! |
| 13:21.36 | Wyzard | Noborusan: dunno offhand... I don't think it's a large team, because the task is mostly automated and doesn't need lots of human intervention |
| 13:21.54 | Noborusan | I see |
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| 13:22.11 | Wyzard | Noborusan: New versions of packages are uploaded by developers and get moved into the archive automatically by scripts that run once or twice a day |
| 13:22.20 | Wyzard | Noborusan: Completely new packages have to be approved by ftp-masters |
| 13:22.43 | vchrizz | Noborusan: i began with linux using it for my servers lond time, now i use it as a replace for windows .. ;) |
| 13:23.05 | Wyzard | Noborusan: The first line of defense against people uploading unwanted stuff is that only approved developers can upload packages... that's why ftp-masters don't have to manually check every upload |
| 13:23.24 | Noborusan | Wyzard, i understand,thanks for telling |
| 13:23.37 | xoz | alioth is the server for upload i think and it will be upgraded to etch this weekend. |
| 13:23.45 | Noborusan | I have a maybe implite question about linuz |
| 13:23.52 | Noborusan | impolite |
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| 13:24.01 | Wyzard | xoz: Some people here were saying last night that it was being upgraded already |
| 13:24.06 | vchrizz | xoz: understood, thx :) |
| 13:24.30 | Noborusan | I mean, what if linuz leaves us away ....you know...by then who will take it over to keep develop kernel for us all ? |
| 13:24.53 | wols | enough people. there are several who could take over development |
| 13:24.57 | Wyzard | Noborusan: Linus doesn't actually do that much coding these days... he mostly just integrates work done by others |
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| 13:25.13 | stew | Wyzard: yes, i'm on it now, its already been upgraded |
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| 13:25.18 | peterS | alioth isn't "the server for upload". it is a semi-independent software hosting service run by the debian project |
| 13:25.19 | Wyzard | Noborusan: and this topic has been discussed many times before -- it's jokingly referred to as "what if Linus gets hit by a bus?" |
| 13:25.23 | wols | the "hit by a bus" scenario has been covererd for ages |
| 13:25.26 | stew | xoz: alioth is not the server for upload, gluck is |
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| 13:25.35 | lewis2 | It seems that the etch version of proftpd doesn't prompt my FTP client to overwrite when the file already exists on the server. Is this a known issue and what can be done to resolve it? |
| 13:25.38 | xoz | ah, wrong info |
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| 13:25.56 | peterS | xoz: but it _is_ going to be upgraded to etch on Sunday, that part of your information is correct |
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| 13:26.12 | mandingo | lewis2: the etch version of proftpd stores it's conf file in a different directory |
| 13:26.14 | Kevin` | lewis2 i'm pretty sure that's a client issue to handle the prompting |
| 13:26.14 | stew | peterS: it looks like it already happened |
| 13:26.19 | xoz | it is used by debian-developers |
| 13:26.24 | Noborusan | I see |
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| 13:26.29 | mandingo | /etc/proftpd/proftpd.conf instead of /etc/proftpd.conf |
| 13:26.41 | xoz | debian-devel announce said weekend |
| 13:26.43 | lewis2 | Kevin`: I haven't changed anything on the client. |
| 13:26.55 | lewis2 | mandingo: ok - but is there an option to prompt? |
| 13:26.58 | peterS | stew: ssh alioth 'cat /etc/debian_version' says 3.1 |
| 13:26.58 | vchrizz | since i applied the -rt patch to my kernel, linux works really noticable faster! got no errors or any problems.. i dont understand why the patch isnt added to mainstream kernel? |
| 13:27.11 | xoz | http://debian-news.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2615 |
| 13:27.13 | lewis2 | AllowOverwrite on |
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| 13:27.17 | stew | peterS: dpkg -l libc6 says 2.3.6 |
| 13:27.28 | Kevin` | vchrizz noticably more responsive, not necessarily faster |
| 13:27.28 | maddash | vchrizz: b/c the rt patch is in appropriate for servers |
| 13:27.47 | maddash | vchrizz: s/in appropriate/inappropriate |
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| 13:28.26 | peterS | stew: I'm guessing that's something backported earlier, then. they weren't running _pure_ sarge. |
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| 13:29.09 | mandingo | lewis2: sorry man, completely misread what you were asking |
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| 13:29.22 | lewis2 | ok - any ideas now then? ;) |
| 13:29.26 | Rebecca | anyone know what needs to be installed to have debian function with APM. i have installed apmd but hitting the soft power button does not initiate shutdown |
| 13:29.41 | vchrizz | Kevin`, maddash: well, desktop(gdm) works "faster"(more responsive) and even dd copies my hda2 with 29mb/s now! (before applying -rt patch 21mb/s) |
| 13:29.52 | stew | peterS: oh, yeah, it looks like you are right |
| 13:30.11 | peterS | Rebecca: if your machine is less than about 6 years old, it's probably using acpi rather than apm. (you can't use both, and if the kernel loads its acpi support, it automatically disables apm). so you want acpid, probably |
| 13:30.13 | Noborusan | Wyzard, now im on the 'tasksel' window, shall i uncheckmark 'standard system' ? |
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| 13:30.33 | Noborusan | Wyzard, this window appears right after the base system installation was finished |
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| 13:30.39 | Rebecca | peterS: ahhh, i knew there was another relevant acronym i was forgetting. thanks, ill try :D |
| 13:30.56 | vchrizz | well, everywhere i noticed some great speedup since applying the patch.. |
| 13:30.58 | jngu1 | Hello. /sbin/getty appears to be missing... does anyone know if this is a part of a package or will I have to do a fresh debian install? |
| 13:31.10 | Wyzard | Noborusan: yes, if you don't want any additional stuff installed out-of-the-box, uncheck "standard system" |
| 13:31.19 | {cyborg} | jngu1: it's part of util-linux |
| 13:31.27 | Wyzard | Noborusan: and then you can manually install whatever packages you need |
| 13:31.34 | jngu1 | {cyborg}: thanks. |
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| 13:31.58 | Rebecca | peterS: hmmm.. acpid already latest version... |
| 13:32.08 | peterS | jngu1: right it's in util-linux, but note that there are other getty implementations - I personally use the mingetty package (with /sbin/mingetty) - this requires editing /etc/inittab for that, though |
| 13:32.16 | jngu1 | yeah |
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| 13:32.22 | jngu1 | I just found a tutorial on using fgetty |
| 13:32.25 | lewis2 | bah - does anyone else use proftpd with etch? do you get prompted to overwrite a file? |
| 13:32.27 | jngu1 | is mingetty better? |
| 13:32.30 | Noborusan | Wyzard, Thanks :) |
| 13:32.36 | Wyzard | Noborusan: Also, once you're done installing, you might find it useful to go into aptitude and press 'M' on the "installed packages" heading, which will mark everything as having been installed automatically for dependencies |
| 13:32.39 | makk1ntosh | hello.can anyone tell me how big is debian repository? i just need to make a local mirror and i dwonloaded already 7 gig. how much left? |
| 13:32.56 | peterS | jngu1: since I run 24 copies of it, I figure if it uses even a little bit less memory it's probably worth it for me |
| 13:32.59 | Wyzard | Noborusan: This will have the side effect of marking everything for removal, so then you go through the list of installed packages and press '+' on the ones you actually need, to mark them to be kept |
| 13:33.05 | jngu1 | makk1ntosh: I'm guessing close to 17 gigs |
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| 13:33.13 | xoz | makk1ntosh: need 3 dvds |
| 13:33.15 | makk1ntosh | okay. so i have 10 left? |
| 13:33.18 | jngu1 | peterS: Thanks for the suggestion. |
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| 13:33.26 | Noborusan | Wyzard, i will try that one soon,thanks again |
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| 13:33.38 | makk1ntosh | ty folks |
| 13:33.39 | stew | makk1ntosh: binary only or source + binary? |
| 13:33.40 | Wyzard | Noborusan: When you're done, anything that's installed but not actually needed by the things you manually chose to keep, will be marked for removal -- even stuff in the base system |
| 13:33.53 | makk1ntosh | im just downloading /pool/ |
| 13:33.58 | jngu1 | also, on bootup tty1 seems to stall on /etc/rc.local |
| 13:34.07 | mkl1525 | Hi, just installed plone-site to have a look at plone, I'm on the zope admin interface but can't find the "add a plone site" entry stated in the README.Debian - any hint? |
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| 13:34.25 | peterS | Rebecca: you need the 'button' kernel module to be loaded - beyond that, I'm not sure, as I don't use those particular acpi capabilities (I shutdown with the shutdown command, and I don't have a laptop anyway) |
| 13:34.32 | makk1ntosh | ty bb all |
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| 13:34.35 | makk1ntosh | have nice weekend |
| 13:34.49 | xoz | makk1ntosh: apt-mirror |
| 13:34.59 | stew | makk1ntosh: oh that would include source, so it would be quite a bit larger than 17 gigls |
| 13:35.02 | stew | gigls! |
| 13:35.09 | Wyzard | makk1ntosh: I downloaded the CDs and DVDs for both i386 and amd64, and it totals 55GB |
| 13:35.14 | Noborusan | Wyzard, i see,by the way,how come there has not a 'grub' optional choice but just a lilo ? |
| 13:35.25 | Wyzard | makk1ntosh: and that's binary only, no source |
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| 13:35.28 | iturk_ | hey guys i just apt-get install swf-player and now when i try to load a flash page with firefox i get -> "the swf file caused a fatal error in the swf decoder" and nothing is displayed !!! |
| 13:35.30 | stew | oh and pool would be stable+test+unstable |
| 13:35.34 | JosefAss1d | em. |
| 13:35.34 | iturk_ | can someone help ? |
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| 13:35.42 | Wyzard | Noborusan: You probbly put your /boot on something other than a plain partition |
| 13:35.48 | Wyzard | Noborusan: like LVM or software RAID or something |
| 13:35.49 | JosefAss1d | is there a package which pulls in all language specific files? |
| 13:36.02 | makk1ntosh | okay. apt-mirror will not help me because the machine that is downloading is win32 |
| 13:36.09 | JosefAss1d | Meaning, I need to add Danish and Arabic to this box... only en_US.UTF8 right now |
| 13:36.11 | makk1ntosh | with wget -r on it |
| 13:36.15 | Wyzard | Noborusan: GRUB is preferred but it can't be used if /boot isn't on a plain partition, so the installer uses LILO in that case |
| 13:36.19 | xoz | Noborusan: told you not to place /boot in another partition |
| 13:36.29 | Noborusan | Wyzard, you mean etch will install grub as default in most of cases ? im now trying in wmvware,forgot to mention,sorry |
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| 13:36.44 | Noborusan | vmware* |
| 13:36.46 | Wyzard | Noborusan: Yes, it'll use grub by default wherever possible |
| 13:36.46 | MalMen | hello, i not understud what thats means -> Copy from the directory you apt-move'd to to the pool directory (you could just do this first, but if you realize you missed something the first time around, you'll need to do this). |
| 13:36.58 | MalMen | what i've to do ? |
| 13:36.59 | makk1ntosh | see u later |
| 13:36.59 | Noborusan | I see |
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| 13:37.27 | xoz | MalMen: more info. what are you reading? |
| 13:37.33 | Wyzard | Noborusan: It might also be that your /boot is on a plain partition, but using a filesystem that GRUB doesn't support |
| 13:37.40 | MalMen | xoz http://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD |
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| 13:38.25 | Wyzard | Noborusan: though GRUB does support all the common filesystems -- ext2/3, reiser, XFS, JFS, and a few others |
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| 13:38.56 | Noborusan | strange,it says lilo intalltion failure,i remember i did it succesfully few days ago when was trying etch in vmware |
| 13:39.26 | Wyzard | Noborusan: What's your partition layout? |
| 13:40.03 | vyrus001 | isnt there a package that merges the paste clipboards of console and x? |
| 13:40.17 | vyrus001 | i.e. shift insert and crt+v == same thing? |
| 13:40.40 | Noborusan | Wyzard, i was trying to install grub,same error,says failure to install grub/lilo into /target/. |
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| 13:41.08 | Noborusan | Wyzard, /boot 100MB , swap then rest of space for /,xfs file system |
| 13:41.26 | Wyzard | Noborusan: What filesystem is /boot? |
| 13:41.31 | Noborusan | xfs |
| 13:41.33 | n3kl | Noborusan: do you like xfs? |
| 13:41.41 | xoz | Noborusan: grub will not work. xfs will not allows that |
| 13:41.42 | Noborusan | last time i didnt select xfs but using the default one |
| 13:41.47 | Wyzard | Noborusan: XFS for /boot is ridiculous... use ext3 for that |
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| 13:41.58 | xoz | Noborusan: you need jfs or ext3 |
| 13:42.10 | Wyzard | Noborusan: (and yes, GRUB claims to support XFS, but I've never tried it so I don't know if it actually works) |
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| 13:42.32 | Noborusan | oh |
| 13:42.34 | Wyzard | Noborusan: ext3 /boot should work regardless of what filesystem the rest of your installation uses |
| 13:42.40 | xoz | !grub |
| 13:42.40 | dpkg | i guess grub is the Grand Unified Bootloader at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ . It's an extremely powerful boot loader that can boot a lot of OSes, understands a lot of filesystems including reiserfs.. Go here for an excellent step-by-step description of setting up grub on your system: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=4622, or a distributed internet crawler.. NOT recommendend with JFS |
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| 13:42.54 | xoz | grub =~ s/JFS/XFS/ |
| 13:43.11 | xoz | grub ~= s/JFS/XFS/ |
| 13:43.18 | xoz | heh |
| 13:43.32 | xoz | !grub =~ s/JFS/XFS/ |
| 13:43.32 | dpkg | OK, xoz |
| 13:44.33 | RichiH | the fun thing is that the upstream version of grub is supposed to play nicely with xfs |
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| 13:45.40 | Wyzard | RichiH: My installed grub has an xfs_stage1_5, so I'd say even Debian's version is supposed to |
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| 13:46.01 | RichiH | Wyzard: the debian installer will no let you install grub on a xfs partition, htough |
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| 13:47.19 | n3kl | sep: none |
| 13:47.31 | Wyzard | Noborusan: btw, XFS isn't recommended on systems that don't have UPS power and good backups... it has a tendency to corrupt files when an unclean shutdown occurs |
| 13:47.37 | sep | n3kl, it was a joke :) |
| 13:47.47 | n3kl | sep: i know =] |
| 13:48.42 | xoz | jfs is best if you have large movie files. deleting it takes seconds. |
| 13:49.06 | Noborusan | n3kl, sorry ,but i selected xfs due to this report http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/388 |
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| 13:49.37 | cydork | !fs comparison |
| 13:49.37 | dpkg | it has been said that filesystem comparison is http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ or http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html |
| 13:49.43 | cydork | Noborusan: there is this also ^^ |
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| 13:50.08 | solemnwarning | Hi all |
| 13:50.17 | Wyzard | Noborusan: XFS is pretty good performance-wise, but it gets that performance by doing a lot of caching in RAM |
| 13:50.26 | solemnwarning | The irssi session I run on my server keeps crashing, has anyone else had this problems? |
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| 13:50.43 | Wyzard | Noborusan: If the system is uncleanly shut down so it doesn't get a chance to flush those caches, you can find that random files are full of zeros instead of whatever they're supposed to contain |
| 13:50.51 | rvsjoen | what backup tools are good for copying selected folders to a network share regularly ? |
| 13:51.02 | Rebecca | does anyone know how to get a motherboard softpower button working with deb? i have tried both acpid and apmd with no luck. motherboard is a via epia 5000 |
| 13:51.04 | solemnwarning | rvsjoen: rsync |
| 13:51.17 | rvsjoen | thanks, i'll have a look |
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| 13:52.01 | n3kl | Noborusan: I meant no offense, but think about it. After the couple sencond period where your kernel is loaded, your / is initilized and then /boot is no longer used. afaik |
| 13:52.15 | Rebecca | and loading the 'button' module does not help either so far |
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| 13:52.38 | Noborusan | n3kl, well ? |
| 13:52.52 | Noborusan | no need to create a /boot manually you mean? |
| 13:53.26 | n3kl | Noborusan: if you don't seperate / and /boot, than it makes sense, sure |
| 13:53.39 | Noborusan | hmm |
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| 13:54.29 | Noborusan | n3kl, so if i dont create /boot, after install will this folder be created by etch installer ? |
| 13:54.52 | xoz | Noborusan: that's common knowlege |
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| 13:55.28 | xoz | Noborusan: the /etc /boot /var ,etc are all created during install |
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| 13:55.34 | n3kl | Also, I don't know about xfs, but I know that reiser has a lot more information that it uses for the file allocation, so it takes up more space. 100mb reiser /boot is not enough. but thats reiser, I don't know anything about xfs |
| 13:56.00 | bzed | you don;t want to use reise at all |
| 13:56.03 | bzed | *reiser |
| 13:56.06 | Wyzard | Noborusan: You'll always have a /boot; the question is just whether it gets its own partition or not |
| 13:56.36 | Wyzard | Noborusan: If your root filesystem is XFS, you need /boot on a separate partition so that it can use a filesystem other than XFS -- preferably ext3 |
| 13:56.46 | n3kl | Noborusan: do you have any other oses loaded on this machine? |
| 13:56.48 | xeihin | wawawa |
| 13:56.50 | bzed | Noborusan: most of the cases you want to give /boot it's own partition, for example when you're uing LVM or software raid |
| 13:56.54 | Wyzard | or even ext2, but I see no harm in using a few megabytes of space for a journal |
| 13:57.04 | iturk_ | hey guys why instead of real firefox i can only install iceape browser and iceweasel browser ? this via apt-get |
| 13:57.06 | Noborusan | n3kl, im now trying in vmware |
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| 13:57.15 | bzed | Wyzard: grub boots just fine from xfs. |
| 13:57.15 | Wyzard | bzed: how about when the root filesystem is one that the installer doesn't support using GRUB with? |
| 13:57.19 | cydork | iturk_: /msg dpkg iceweasel |
| 13:57.27 | n3kl | Noborusan: oh |
| 13:57.58 | Noborusan | Maybe when i do it on my server,this grub/lilo with xfs confliction will be gone ? |
| 13:58.11 | Wyzard | bzed: It claims to, and has a stage1.5 for it, but xoz said it's not supported by the installer, and indeed, Noborusan found the installer was trying to use lilo |
| 13:58.22 | bzed | Noborusan: again: you probably don;t want to use xfs at all |
| 13:58.50 | Noborusan | hmm |
| 13:58.58 | bzed | Wyzard: I could imagine that it's not supported by the installer as grub has a ton of bugs :\ |
| 13:59.04 | Eclipser | ,f,.,mnasdf§ |
| 13:59.06 | Eclipser | whops |
| 13:59.08 | Eclipser | sorry |
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| 13:59.16 | piti | Hi everyone, I'm on etch, an I've installed java 1.6, done a symlink to iceweasel, and about:plugins tells me that it is already ok. But when I have an applet, the process take a great part of cpu usage, and browser is freezed. |
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| 13:59.35 | bzed | Noborusan: if you're not having a rock solid, LARGE storage device, and a well working UPS, you do not want to use xfs. just use ext3 |
| 14:00.14 | iturk_ | cydork: ok i am trying to install flash player manually but i get the message that /usr/lib/mozilla is not a valid installation path of the Mozilla, SeaMonkey, or Firefox browser !! what can i do ? |
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| 14:00.32 | cydork | iturk_: install flash from non-free |
| 14:00.36 | Noborusan | bzed, that is implying that using xfs is a chanlenge when lose power supply all of a sudden ? |
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| 14:00.56 | xoz | !XFS |
| 14:00.56 | dpkg | rumour has it, xfs is the filesystem developed by SGI for high-performance journalling and large disk support. see http://linux-xfs.sgi.com/projects/xfs/ or http://www.lwfug.org/debian/ for xfs deb tools and deb kernels, or far better and more mature than reiserfs, but not as mature (in linux) as ext3. It notoriously loses data if you have unexpected power failures. |
| 14:01.04 | iturk_ | cydork: can you give me some steps in order to achieve that ? |
| 14:01.34 | Noborusan | bzed, the server will be put on the data center,yes they have good UPS and stuff. |
| 14:01.57 | cydork | iturk_: enable non-free repo in your sources.list and then install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 14:02.29 | iturk_ | cydork: i just have one line there -> install flash from non-free |
| 14:02.32 | bzed | Noborusan: that imples that xfs is a heavy big piece of code, which - usually - works very well if you don't use the latest development version, but it definitely doesn;t like to crash |
| 14:02.32 | iturk_ | ops |
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| 14:02.37 | iturk_ | deb http://ftp.uevora.pt/debian etch main |
| 14:02.56 | iturk_ | cydork: so i put non-free after main ? |
| 14:02.57 | bzed | Noborusan: you want to use ext3 for your root device, as I doubt you want to store a huge amount of data within the root device. |
| 14:03.33 | cydork | iturk_: yes. you can even add contrib if you want |
| 14:03.49 | rahul | why does the bot still have that misinformation? |
| 14:03.51 | Noborusan | bzed, okay,never mind,let me google ,thank you. |
| 14:03.53 | bzed | Noborusan: if you can boot fine (because your root device's FS just works well), there's enough time to run xfs_repair on a crashed storage |
| 14:04.21 | iturk_ | cydork: till now only non-free it's ok |
| 14:04.24 | rahul | XFS has never been notorious for losing data compared to other filesystems except for one bug that was fixed about 5 years ago |
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| 14:04.37 | bzed | Noborusan: if you need to store a huge amount of data, and need to have a very high FS speed, then use xfs |
| 14:04.57 | Wyzard | rahul: I've seen the "files filled with zeros" problem as recently as three years ago, the last time I used XFS |
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| 14:04.58 | claudio` | brb |
| 14:05.01 | bzed | rahul: it doesn't like it if a machine or power dies |
| 14:05.04 | cydork | rahul: what about power problems? |
| 14:05.10 | Wyzard | rahul: and I've heard (here in #debian) of it happening within the past few months |
| 14:05.28 | rahul | Wyzard: that happens on any FS that isn't configured to data journal |
| 14:05.32 | bzed | rahul: xfs_repair works well usually, but chances that you have to runi it are pretty high with a simple crash |
| 14:05.37 | Noborusan | bzed, I see,let me try different parititing method now |
| 14:05.38 | rahul | Wyzard: and there are fixes for it in recent kernels |
| 14:05.48 | mandingo | coraid uses XFS |
| 14:05.50 | rahul | 2.6.19, I believe, has data syncing |
| 14:05.57 | mandingo | and coraid sucks, thus I hate XFS :) |
| 14:06.02 | bzed | Noborusan: I think you wanna learn a bit more about partitioning and linux in general? |
| 14:06.02 | rahul | wtf, I got two messages on myspace :\ |
| 14:06.11 | Wyzard | rahul: I know, but with XFS it seems to happen consistently -- files that were recently modified before the crash come back full of nulls |
| 14:06.13 | rahul | haha, from chicks |
| 14:06.17 | Ronin | why are you even on myspace rahul? ack |
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| 14:06.29 | rahul | Ronin: mostly to track bands |
| 14:06.42 | rahul | and now girls track me :P |
| 14:06.52 | iturk_ | cydork: ins't it more libflash-swfplayer - GPL Flash (SWF) Library - stand-alone player |
| 14:07.12 | jepp | How can I install NVIDIA-Driver correctly? |
| 14:07.16 | iturk_ | cydork: i cannot find any package called flashplugin-nonfree |
| 14:07.17 | rahul | fucking canadians |
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| 14:07.55 | MementoMori | hi all |
| 14:08.05 | cydork | iturk_: which version of debian? did you update the sources? |
| 14:08.15 | Noborusan | bzed, yeah maybe |
| 14:08.29 | iturk_ | cydork: deb http://ftp.uevora.pt/debian etch main non-free |
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| 14:08.35 | rahul | hmm, reminds me. I gotta fuck around with my bar's myspace page :\ |
| 14:08.38 | MementoMori | how can I prevent a package installed with dpkg -i --force-all to be removed by apt-get install -f ? |
| 14:08.55 | iturk_ | cydork: yes i told dselect to update |
| 14:09.08 | cydork | iturk_: dselect??? oh the horror |
| 14:09.33 | cydork | !info flashplugin-nonfree etch |
| 14:09.35 | dpkg | flashplugin-nonfree: (Adobe Flash Player plugin installer), section contrib/web, is optional. Version: 9.0.31.0.1 (etch), Packaged size: 12 kB, Installed size: 124 kB |
| 14:09.45 | Wyzard | MementoMori: apt-get refuses to operate if you have dependency conflicts... remove the package with dpkg --purge |
| 14:09.58 | iturk_ | cydork: ok it's in contrib not non-free maybe |
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| 14:10.00 | MementoMori | Wyzard: but I need it |
| 14:10.12 | cydork | iturk_: yeah just saw that. sorry :) |
| 14:10.34 | MementoMori | should I find another way to put the files I need in the system? |
| 14:10.48 | blehhh | I think i got a rootkit on my other computer, how to verify it and fix everything |
| 14:10.57 | iturk_ | cydork: ok thanks |
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| 14:12.18 | petemc | blehhh: chkrootkit is one tool |
| 14:12.26 | petemc | blehhh: but theres no magic fix, if your machine was compromised you wont know what to trust |
| 14:12.38 | blehhh | ok |
| 14:12.52 | blehhh | is knoppix have chrootkit |
| 14:12.58 | petemc | probably |
| 14:12.59 | blehhh | i need a live distrib |
| 14:13.01 | blehhh | thx |
| 14:13.48 | cydork | blehhh: what makes you think it has rootkit. if you are sure then just scratch the damn thing.. |
| 14:15.01 | blehhh | cydork i lost my internet connection, im not at my home now, and my debian cd is a netinstall |
| 14:15.10 | blehhh | so i need to know and fix it |
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| 14:16.15 | ole | just how stable currently is write access to ntfs partitions from linux? |
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| 14:16.42 | mandingo | I think it's extremely stable if you're not changing the file size :) or something like that |
| 14:16.43 | petemc | ole: the native kernel stuff is next to useless, 3rd party ntfs-3g seems ok |
| 14:16.44 | Noborusan | I hope etch installer can recognize intel ich7 to get to know the sata2 hdd no problem |
| 14:17.15 | Wyzard | Noborusan: It should... in its default mode the ICH7 uses the ata_piix driver, which works fine |
| 14:17.20 | ole | petemc, how do I know what alternative is using gparted? |
| 14:17.22 | xoz | ole: /msg dpkg ntfs-3g |
| 14:17.29 | Noborusan | Wyzard, cool :) |
| 14:17.48 | Wyzard | Noborusan: If possible, change the controller to AHCI mode in your BIOS -- you get NCQ (if the drive supports it) and hotplug support that way |
| 14:17.52 | petemc | ole: gparted is for resizing partitions |
| 14:17.55 | Noborusan | Wyzard, huh ? it is not a dedicated driver for sata ? |
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| 14:18.16 | ole | well, I works as a front-end to format them aswell |
| 14:18.19 | ole | it* |
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| 14:18.33 | Noborusan | Wyzard, thanks,but my mobo doesnt support ncq |
| 14:18.42 | Noborusan | nor my hdd,it is wd 1600ys |
| 14:18.48 | petemc | ole: thats creating filesystems, which is different again.. |
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| 14:19.11 | Wyzard | Noborusan: NCQ support isn't a "motherboard" thing, it's a SATA controller thing |
| 14:19.19 | Wyzard | Noborusan: and AHCI controllers support it |
| 14:19.37 | Noborusan | oh |
| 14:19.40 | Wyzard | Noborusan: Of course you don't get the benefit if your drive doesn't support it, but AHCI does still give you hotplug support |
| 14:19.42 | ole | petemc, ok I understand |
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| 14:19.54 | Noborusan | Wyzard, :) I see |
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| 14:20.21 | Wyzard | Noborusan: On this system (using ICH8 in AHCI mode) I've unplugged a SATA DVD-RW drive, plugged in a hard drive, scanned it for errors, partitioned it, copied data to it, unplugged it, and plugged in a different DVD-RW drive -- all without shutting down :-) |
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| 14:20.50 | aacevedo | why after i edit updatedb.conf with NETPATHS="/media/mp3j/hda1 /media/mp3j/hdb1/ /media/mp3j/hdc1 /media/mp3j/hdc2 /media/mp3j/hdd1/ /media/mp3j/sda1/ /media/mp3j/sdb1/ " iwheni do updatedb--netpaths is not including those in the updatedb.conf nethpaths parameter? |
| 14:20.57 | Noborusan | Wyzard, under linux ? |
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| 14:21.28 | bzed | Noborusan: a LOT of sata controllers do not support hot plug at all |
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| 14:22.09 | Noborusan | well i will not need to do hot plug at all by then it is sit in the data center,anyway,thanks for the info |
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| 14:22.40 | Wyzard | Noborusan: I'd use AHCI anyway |
| 14:23.00 | Wyzard | Noborusan: It just makes sense to use your ICH7 in its native mode rather than in legacy ICH6-compatible mode :-) |
| 14:23.02 | wwallace | help anyone? |
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| 14:23.44 | Noborusan | Wyzard, I see |
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| 14:24.47 | Wyzard | bzed: ICH8 supports it, and there's a good chance ICH7 does too |
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| 14:25.16 | wwallace | why after i edit updatedb.conf with NETPATHS="/media/mp3j/hda1 /media/mp3j/hdb1/ /media/mp3j/hdc1 /media/mp3j/hdc2 /media/mp3j/hdd1/ /media/mp3j/sda1/ /media/mp3j/sdb1/ " when do updatedb--netpaths is not including those in the updatedb.conf nethpaths parameter? but if i do it manually it works any ideas? |
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| 14:25.42 | bthornton | Anyone know if text-based dummy terminals are still used/sold today? I.e. something I could hook up to my otherwise-headless Linux box's serial/parallel port for a console? |
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| 14:26.29 | petemc | bthornton: you can pick up a wyse terminal for next to nothing |
| 14:26.41 | petemc | i have some here, if you're in or around belfast.. |
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| 14:26.58 | Wyzard | Noborusan: and to answer your other question that I overlooked, yes, it was under Linux |
| 14:27.00 | iturk_ | !info acroread |
| 14:27.04 | bthornton | oh thanks! hehe, unfourtinately I'm nowhere near |
| 14:27.05 | Wyzard | Noborusan: etch's 2.6.18-4 kernel, specifically |
| 14:27.09 | iturk_ | !info acroread etch |
| 14:27.11 | bthornton | but I'll look them up |
| 14:27.13 | Noborusan | Wyzard, cool |
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| 14:28.09 | Noborusan | Wyzard, now it hangs at installing grub :(,this time i only partition swap and / ,xfs file system |
| 14:28.10 | Wyzard | Noborusan: The DVD-RW drives were Lite-On SH-201AS, and the hard drive was a Seagate 7200.10, but I've read that all SATA drives support hotplug |
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| 14:28.28 | bthornton | petemc: out of curiosity, is the use of such terminals still something that is in use in "modern" server rooms? or is that considered antiquated now? |
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| 14:28.48 | bthornton | just wondering, 'cause I've never seen a dummy terminal that looks like it was made after 1991 :p |
| 14:29.00 | claudio` | re |
| 14:29.03 | petemc | bthornton: perhaps i gave you a bum steer, wyse terminal arent text based, rather they're "thin clients" |
| 14:29.18 | petemc | you can get a graphical desktop etc |
| 14:29.26 | bthornton | petemc: yeah, I'm on their site now and am seeing those words tossed around a lot |
| 14:29.32 | Wyzard | A friend of mine has a Wang terminal... he keeps it around mainly so he can make jokes about his Wang |
| 14:29.35 | bthornton | petemic: so these will run an X session then? |
| 14:29.42 | petemc | sure will |
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| 14:29.51 | bthornton | I fully support Wang-related jokes. |
| 14:30.01 | Begasus | 'lo peeps |
| 14:30.02 | claudio` | Does anyone have an idea on how can i mount FSS/UFS on GNU/Linux? |
| 14:30.21 | bthornton | petemc: cool. I'm seeing what info I can pull off their site... |
| 14:30.41 | endr[a] | claudio`: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Mount_UFS_partitions |
| 14:30.50 | claudio` | THX endr[a] |
| 14:30.55 | endr[a] | (simple result from googling "how to mount UFS partitions" :P) |
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| 14:34.05 | msingh | yo. i want to assign some keycodes. used to be you edited /etc/X11/Xmodmap but now with this new xorg thing i just dont know who i am anymore. what's the way to go? |
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| 14:35.56 | wwallace | why after i edit updatedb.conf with NETPATHS="/media/mp3j/hda1 /media/mp3j/hdb1/ /media/mp3j/hdc1 /media/mp3j/hdc2 /media/mp3j/hdd1/ /media/mp3j/sda1/ /media/mp3j/sdb1/ " when do updatedb--netpaths is not including those in the updatedb.conf nethpaths parameter? but if i do it manually it works any ideas? |
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| 14:40.01 | msingh | there is a tool to get scancodes, isnt therer? |
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| 14:40.27 | amphi | msingh: showkey |
| 14:43.22 | msingh | argh. nah thats not it |
| 14:43.25 | msingh | it was someting else |
| 14:43.46 | Groundy | is there an easy way to make a package depend on a kernel version? |
| 14:44.28 | Groundy | only problem is that kernel images need to be installed |
| 14:45.01 | amphi | msingh: you mean for X? |
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| 14:45.21 | msingh | yeah |
| 14:45.28 | msingh | it totally locked up my keyboard input there |
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| 14:45.59 | amphi | msingh: as it says, it terminates after 10 seconds without a key press |
| 14:46.13 | amphi | msingh: for X, try running xev from a term |
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| 14:46.34 | amphi | msingh: not that those are not scancodes (at least not AFAIK) |
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| 14:46.45 | msingh | gotta love unix with its intuitive naming |
| 14:47.18 | amphi | msingh: xev for 'x events'? doesn't seem so bad to me |
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| 14:47.35 | Hoxzer | what is correct runlvl for non graphical stata? |
| 14:47.39 | Hoxzer | state |
| 14:47.49 | msingh | nice app though. very handy |
| 14:48.09 | amphi | Hoxzer: in debian, runlevels 2-5 are the same, by default |
| 14:48.25 | liable | Hoxzer: debians default runlevel is 2 for non-x and x |
| 14:48.25 | Hoxzer | :\ |
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| 14:48.50 | liable | Hoxzer: if you want to have either, remove your dm, and just start x when you need to |
| 14:48.51 | iturk_ | hi there i get a .chm file from a lapton scpecification from official LG website. How can i read this file on Linux ? |
| 14:49.05 | amphi | iturk_: xchm, I believe |
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| 14:50.33 | iturk_ | amphi: ok really thanks |
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| 14:51.04 | Begasus | anyone running Debian 4.0 with nVidia ? |
| 14:51.11 | wintix | Begasus: many do. |
| 14:51.22 | wintix | Begasus: ask your real question. |
| 14:51.30 | Begasus | well with hardware accelaration? |
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| 14:51.41 | wintix | Begasus: well. yes. what is your question? |
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| 14:51.45 | sobersabre | hi... is there an ia64 specific irc chan ? |
| 14:51.46 | Begasus | haven't been able to install the nvidia driver here |
| 14:51.47 | amphi | iturk_: you're welcome |
| 14:51.56 | wintix | Begasus: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
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| 14:52.28 | Begasus | it tells me that it needs to compile a kernel module? .. and it doesn't find one while checking ftp |
| 14:52.30 | sobersabre | hm, I don't see one. |
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| 14:52.42 | wintix | Begasus: the binary driver from nvidia.com? |
| 14:52.53 | Begasus | yes wintix |
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| 14:52.58 | sobersabre | I have efi related problem. I am running itanium based hp's zx6000 workstation. |
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| 14:53.07 | sobersabre | ( rackmount form factor ) |
| 14:53.17 | sobersabre | I have upgraded my sarge |
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| 14:53.22 | Begasus | I've been searching and testing a lot yesterday without luck so far |
| 14:53.31 | Begasus | still uses vesa .... |
| 14:53.33 | wintix | Begasus: we don't support that driver. use the debian driver. out of curiosity: why do yuo use the binary driver from nvidia.com? |
| 14:53.38 | sobersabre | to etch, but I don't succeed to run the new kernel. this sux |
| 14:53.41 | wintix | you* |
| 14:53.59 | sobersabre | the error I get is mount: 'vfat' unknown filesystem |
| 14:54.08 | sobersabre | more precisely: |
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| 14:54.17 | Begasus | because synaptic didn't list any 'real' driver afaik wintix |
| 14:54.50 | sobersabre | mount: unknown filesystem type 'vfat' |
| 14:54.51 | sobersabre | elilo: An error occured mounting /dev/sda1 |
| 14:55.47 | sobersabre | maybe I need to use the efibootmgr instead of elilo. |
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| 14:56.20 | wintix | Begasus: sicne we don't know what the driver from nvidia.com does to your system we can't support it. try what dpkg tells you. /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner if you don't use a debian kernel, /msg dpkg nvidia_post_etch |
| 14:56.41 | wintix | Begasus: and get rid of the stuff from nvidia.com prior to installing the debian driver. |
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| 14:57.18 | cahoot | wintix: debian driver for nividia? |
| 14:57.21 | Begasus | k will try wintix |
| 14:57.25 | Begasus | thnx ! |
| 14:57.32 | wintix | cahoot: well the thing from non-free. you know what i mean. |
| 14:58.00 | cahoot | wintix: i e nvidias driver |
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| 14:58.29 | Begasus | I've downloaded the latest Debian last week wintix so should be pretty up to date |
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| 14:58.43 | wintix | cahoot: yes. |
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| 14:59.47 | Groundy | anyone know how debian handles not having a kernel installed? (because it's external - like loadlin or uml) |
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| 15:01.07 | Begasus | they should split those lines in a few ones wintix ;) |
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| 15:01.27 | Begasus | not easy typing them on another pc ;) |
| 15:01.43 | wintix | Begasus: hehe. |
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| 15:02.16 | Bega | plop |
| 15:02.29 | iturk_ | guys after i reboot the X all my fonts get extremelly big and the icons in wmaker extremelly little!! can someone tell me how to correct them ? |
| 15:02.57 | amphi | iturk_: perhaps you need to change your dpi setting? |
| 15:03.16 | iturk_ | amphi: ok where can i change it ? |
| 15:03.37 | amphi | iturk_: /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc |
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| 15:04.05 | iturk_ | amphi: exec /usr/bin/X11/X -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp |
| 15:04.05 | claudio` | i'm trying to compile the kernel but i get this error about curses library. I've installed libncurses5. What could be the problem? |
| 15:04.10 | claudio` | This is the output: http://rafb.net/p/60StNw12.html |
| 15:04.17 | amphi | iturk_: try s/100/75 perhaps |
| 15:04.28 | cahoot | claudio`: you want -dev |
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| 15:04.34 | claudio` | cahoot: i thought about that |
| 15:04.37 | claudio` | i'm trying, THX cahoot |
| 15:04.47 | wintix | claudio`: apt-get install ibncurses5-dev |
| 15:04.50 | iturk_ | amphi: like you say instead of 100 i put s/100/75 |
| 15:05.00 | claudio` | wintix: yes i know.. |
| 15:05.06 | claudio` | just a thing: so can i remove libncurses5? |
| 15:05.11 | amphi | iturk_: er, no - instead of '100', put '75' |
| 15:05.17 | claudio` | uhm.. i don't think so |
| 15:05.19 | claudio` | THX |
| 15:05.39 | itchi | Hi, when i start xcdroast as root user i get the follow error in a console http://pastebin.ca/483019 How can i allow root user to start that tool? root user need to be are used the first time to make the config file |
| 15:05.40 | amphi | claudio`: you need the ncurses dev package |
| 15:05.50 | iturk_ | amphi: ok i will reboot X |
| 15:05.53 | claudio` | amphi: yes already installed. Now works |
| 15:05.56 | claudio` | thx to you too |
| 15:05.56 | claudio` | :-) |
| 15:06.09 | Begasus | so .. started the line from dpkg ... |
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| 15:07.25 | iturk_ | amphi: still the same |
| 15:07.28 | iturk_ | size |
| 15:07.39 | iturk_ | i think i bit bigger |
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| 15:08.09 | xeihin | guys can some one help me with openvz on debian? I have a server with 512M of ram and two VE's, when I set the privvmpages to 128M I get 1167 for the value privvmpages in /proc/user_beancounters on the hardware node, if I set the value to 224M I get 3, If I set 512 I get 7, all values in /proc/user_beanconuters should be 0 for the column failcnt, can some one help me please? |
| 15:08.11 | amphi | heh - perhaps it's being set somewhere else - you use some display manager? that may fiddle with it |
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| 15:08.38 | iturk_ | amphi: i use wmaker |
| 15:08.57 | amphi | iturk_: you start X with startx? |
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| 15:09.09 | iturk_ | amphi: with xdm |
| 15:09.13 | iturk_ | wdm i mean |
| 15:09.14 | amphi | iturk_: wmaker is a window manager, not a display manager |
| 15:09.26 | amphi | iturk_: perhaps look at wdm's congfig |
| 15:09.38 | iturk_ | i will exchange it with gdm |
| 15:09.40 | iturk_ | now |
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| 15:11.27 | Bega | apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-686 | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 15:11.27 | Bega | that's what I just did ... |
| 15:11.27 | Bega | doesn't really give me any output atm |
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| 15:11.41 | Begasus | only thing I see in the Terminal session after that is ">" |
| 15:12.39 | wintix | Begasus: you have a typing error. |
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| 15:13.07 | wintix | Begasus: use the exact line. don't replace the uname -r part with something else if you don't know what you are doing. |
| 15:13.11 | Begasus | ow? |
| 15:13.26 | Begasus | I only cp'd the stuff from dpkg ... |
| 15:13.37 | Begasus | ah ... |
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| 15:14.05 | ctx144k | hello all |
| 15:14.15 | itchi | Hi, when i start xcdroast as root user i get the follow error in a console http://pastebin.ca/483019 How can i allow root user to start that tool? root user need to be are used the first time to make the config file. The same troulbe happend for all other gui tools. So root is not allowed to start gui tools |
| 15:14.31 | Begasus | still no package for nvidia-kernel-2.6.686 ... :s |
| 15:14.37 | ctx144k | are there exist any mysql-4 packages for debian etch? |
| 15:14.37 | Begasus | 'lo |
| 15:14.38 | cahoot | itchi: use sux |
| 15:14.48 | ctx144k | perhaps an alternative package like backports? |
| 15:15.02 | itchi | cahoot: Thanks, i'm looking for the it :-) |
| 15:15.07 | liable | itchi: why are you trying to run it as root anyway? |
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| 15:15.34 | ctx144k | i need mysql4 cause we have an older program wich dont work with newer odbc-drivers. bur the old odbc-driver doesent work with mysql5 |
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| 15:15.50 | en1gma | moin all |
| 15:15.55 | itchi | liable: When i start it as normal user, it say me that i need to start it as root user the first time, to create that config file |
| 15:16.08 | itchi | liable: The docs too |
| 15:16.46 | liable | itchi: dpkg-reconfigure xcdroast? enable suid? |
| 15:17.03 | liable | or cdrecord |
| 15:17.08 | en1gma | i have a couple questions about how to use gnome on debian sid......1st: how do you edit (no VI`s please) a txt document that has root permissions as you browse to it with a file manager? |
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| 15:17.10 | liable | or wodim..... |
| 15:17.22 | liable | haha |
| 15:17.32 | sepski | en1gma, use your favorite editor ? |
| 15:17.49 | en1gma | 2nd: is there a guide to install nvidias binary driver on debian...(no dpkg driver please) |
| 15:17.49 | en1gma | well i havent got to edit yet |
| 15:17.53 | itchi | liable: Wait, gona look with configure-debian cause it's not these ^ |
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| 15:18.37 | wintix | Begasus: do you have non-free added to you sources.list? |
| 15:18.38 | vin` | iturk_: fixed the fan? |
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| 15:19.03 | wintix | Begasus: /msg dpkg non-free |
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| 15:19.37 | Begasus | haven't touched the sources.lst yet wintix |
| 15:19.48 | iturk_ | vin`: youuu |
| 15:20.00 | iturk_ | vin`: no still problems |
| 15:20.03 | en1gma | help to my questions please |
| 15:20.09 | en1gma | questions 1 and 2 |
| 15:20.29 | iturk_ | vin`: i try to get the LG specification about laptop temperature |
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| 15:20.39 | iturk_ | vin`: but nothing |
| 15:20.51 | SoulChild | Hey Guys, do i need some mudles to get suspend2ram to work??? |
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| 15:20.59 | SoulChild | Hey Guys, do i need some modules to get suspend2ram to work??? |
| 15:21.01 | en1gma | you use the file manager to browse to the txt document with root permissions |
| 15:21.05 | en1gma | how do you edit it |
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| 15:21.11 | en1gma | shouldnt be that hard |
| 15:21.12 | itchi | cahoot & liable: Anyway, with sux, it is fixed. Nice tool btw. But looking around for that other way too |
| 15:21.28 | iturk_ | vin`: just like .. keep it in a normal temperature environment |
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| 15:21.35 | simonrvn | you install sid and don't want to use vi/m? |
| 15:21.55 | vin` | iturk_: so how hot is it now? |
| 15:21.59 | simonrvn | en1gma: don't run GUI stuff as root |
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| 15:22.03 | iturk_ | vin`: but the fan it's working |
| 15:22.04 | en1gma | omg (it clearly states in my question) "no VI`s" please |
| 15:22.07 | simonrvn | en1gma: don't run X as root |
| 15:22.10 | iturk_ | vin`: it just has one |
| 15:22.15 | en1gma | and it clearly states in my question with a file manager |
| 15:22.25 | iturk_ | and it is not stooped |
| 15:22.31 | S4nD3r | Which software may I use to record MP3 CD ???? |
| 15:22.33 | en1gma | im waiting to hear "it cant be done" |
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| 15:22.36 | liable | simonrvn: lost cause |
| 15:23.06 | simonrvn | and i'm clearly stating you want to do dumb things, and you should stick to windows, and make sure the windows machine is NOT connected to the internet |
| 15:23.13 | en1gma | dont troll |
| 15:23.23 | en1gma | i have a question please answer it the way i asked |
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| 15:23.42 | en1gma | i will repeat the question if you dont understand my syntax |
| 15:23.48 | Groundy | en1gma: what about running the file manager as root? |
| 15:24.04 | iturk_ | vin`: cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/TZ1/temperature ; cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/TZ2/temperature |
| 15:24.04 | iturk_ | temperature: 40 C |
| 15:24.05 | iturk_ | temperature: 59 C |
| 15:24.07 | Groundy | en1gma: or run kwrite or gedit or whatever it is as root |
| 15:24.08 | en1gma | that would be nice. could you tell me what i type to do that |
| 15:24.11 | simonrvn | i understood you perfectly, and i'm suggesting to you that they're not wise things to do |
| 15:24.14 | liable | en1gma: if you paid any attention to the channel you might have noticed someone alreay mentioned 'sux' to another user |
| 15:24.24 | en1gma | gedit cant select the file from within gedit |
| 15:24.31 | en1gma | open does not let you browse to file |
| 15:24.39 | iturk_ | vin`: but i would like to compare this values with what LG consider to be normal |
| 15:24.46 | simonrvn | !tell en1gma -about nvidia one-liner |
| 15:24.52 | Groundy | en1gma: you need to run gedit as root |
| 15:24.58 | simonrvn | !tell en1gma -about nvidia sux |
| 15:25.04 | vin` | iturk_: ok |
| 15:25.08 | dockane | hi all.. i ve got a question regarding proftpd/filename character encoding. currently i fix corrupted characters in filenames with detox.sourceforge.net on the shell. i dont want to use pathdenyfilter to generate a "Forbidden filename". how do i automatize the detoxing after upload? |
| 15:25.08 | en1gma | gedit dont let you "Browse" to the file |
| 15:25.11 | simonrvn | woops, sorry about that one |
| 15:25.13 | jelly | I have a working i386 setup. Is there a way to install a second instance of Debian, arch adm64, using debootstrap only and no bootable media? |
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| 15:25.15 | simonrvn | !tell en1gma -about sux |
| 15:25.18 | Groundy | en1gma: I' not sure if there's a menu option for that, you could probably drop to terminal, and use sudo or su |
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| 15:25.37 | simonrvn | and lastly, |
| 15:25.54 | en1gma | Grundy i can start gedit as su....thats a good idea...i was going to try it until i went in gedit and seen there was no browse to file. |
| 15:25.55 | simonrvn | putting you on ignore for calling me a troll |
| 15:26.13 | iturk_ | vin`: so i have a LW20 model 22DP i went to LG official web site and the specifications there dont speak about temperature levels should i email them ? |
| 15:26.13 | S4nD3r | jk |
| 15:26.29 | Groundy | en1gma: there should be browse, sometimes it's hidden behind an 'expand' button |
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| 15:26.36 | Begasus | so ... running DVD fullscreen is a lot better with the correct drivers ;) |
| 15:26.37 | en1gma | let me recheck |
| 15:26.42 | Groundy | en1gma: or you can type the full path |
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| 15:27.01 | SoulChild | What do i need to suspend to ram ? |
| 15:27.04 | pheonix | hello everyone |
| 15:27.11 | pheonix | this in pheonix |
| 15:27.11 | en1gma | i do not want to type the full path just to edit a file, espicially just a txt file |
| 15:27.16 | pheonix | this is pheonix |
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| 15:27.33 | pheonix | anyone from mumbai |
| 15:27.34 | Groundy | en1gma: then check for an expand option to find files, |
| 15:27.35 | en1gma | nano has a browse (thank god |
| 15:27.51 | en1gma | ok that will work |
| 15:27.53 | en1gma | :) |
| 15:27.56 | simonrvn | nope, turtle island here |
| 15:27.57 | Begasus | wintix thnx for the tips ... but seems it didn't find (without touching the sources.list file) any nvidia file in the repo ... went with the tips arijt gave me and installed the nvidia driver now |
| 15:27.57 | pheonix | ghello |
| 15:27.58 | Groundy | en1gma: does gedit use the standard gnome open dialog? like gimp? |
| 15:28.00 | pheonix | hello |
| 15:28.14 | pheonix | is there anyonr from mumbai here |
| 15:28.20 | pheonix | anyone* |
| 15:28.30 | liable | pheonix: we arent a mumbai chat channel |
| 15:28.40 | en1gma | wait gedit has browse to...crap how did i miss that |
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| 15:29.11 | en1gma | ok kool...i was going to say that i hope i dont have to type the full path to the file just to edit it |
| 15:29.16 | Begasus | where is mumbai even? ;) |
| 15:29.27 | en1gma | i can live with (barely) typing su -e gedit |
| 15:29.36 | liable | oh dear |
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| 15:29.51 | en1gma | should have a "Run As" |
| 15:30.02 | S4nD3r | Which software may I use to record MP3 CD ???? |
| 15:30.03 | liable | !be an editing barbie |
| 15:30.04 | dpkg | editing config files by hand is so HARD! |
| 15:30.09 | haxality | hey, is there anything I should be doing with dpkg/apt to make sure they stay in top running order? |
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| 15:30.24 | en1gma | this is going to be the OS for a complete noob to linux |
| 15:30.28 | simonrvn | don't install crap with crap deps |
| 15:30.31 | vin` | iturk_: since the trip point is pretty high (90C?), if the temp stays at about 55-65, should be fine. mine averages 57C |
| 15:30.37 | en1gma | so watch what you think.,..i can do just about anything from console |
| 15:30.49 | haxality | simonrvn: ok, cool, I think I've got that one down :) |
| 15:30.59 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 15:31.24 | simonrvn | India, BTW, just in case you don't know where Mumbai is |
| 15:31.37 | en1gma | or maybe a "Save As Root" |
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| 15:32.29 | liable | en1gma: you are loading a box with sid for a noob? thats a good idea... |
| 15:32.31 | Begasus_bbl | food .. |
| 15:32.42 | en1gma | what is the file managers name in gnome |
| 15:32.51 | en1gma | i would prefer to use it as su |
| 15:32.53 | wols | autilus |
| 15:32.57 | en1gma | thnx |
| 15:33.01 | wols | *nautilus |
| 15:33.14 | wols | running it as root is a bad idea |
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| 15:33.56 | gordboy | how to find which package a file belongs to ? |
| 15:34.05 | xand | gordboy: dpkg -S /path/to/file |
| 15:34.06 | simonrvn | dpkg -S file |
| 15:34.06 | dpkg | Dingos ate my file! |
| 15:34.22 | en1gma | when i open a root term then 'cd /' then 'nautilus' when it starts up it locks me in the /home/user/ dir |
| 15:34.25 | simonrvn | dpkg: they did? that's too bad |
| 15:34.25 | en1gma | wtf is that |
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| 15:34.55 | gordboy | simonrvn, thx |
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| 15:35.27 | wols | en1gma: nautilus& then |
| 15:35.31 | en1gma | i got to get out of gnome....thats it...how do i replace the gnome DE with KDE |
| 15:35.54 | gordboy | i actually typed "rpm -qf /path/to/file" before i realised i wasn't in kansas :) |
| 15:35.54 | en1gma | i cant take it :) |
| 15:35.54 | wols | en1gma: install it |
| 15:35.57 | en1gma | omg i thought it was installed and i just needed to switch |
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| 15:36.12 | simonrvn | nope, not in kansas, nope. more like $FAVOURITE_PLACE_TO_BE |
| 15:36.13 | wols | en1gma: if it is installed, start kde when logging in via gdm |
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| 15:36.29 | xeihin | hi friends, I have debian etch with openvz and I can't start apache, the /var/log/apache2/error.log sayd [Fri May 11 10:35:22 2007] [alert] (12)Cannot allocate memory: apr_thread_create: unable to create worker thread |
| 15:36.35 | en1gma | so i just start GDM in console? |
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| 15:36.50 | en1gma | i mean i need to open a term and type "GDM" ? |
| 15:37.01 | foutrelis | Hello and sorry for my stupid question :( In a guide it says "Set the screen binary (/usr/bin/screen) setuid root." How to I do that? |
| 15:37.10 | foutrelis | *do I |
| 15:37.26 | simonrvn | info chmod |
| 15:37.34 | simonrvn | or, chmod --help |
| 15:37.37 | foutrelis | thanks simonrvn :) |
| 15:37.52 | wols | foutrelis: why would you? apt-get install screen. don |
| 15:37.52 | h3sp4wn | foutrelis: You shouldn't need to do that with Debian |
| 15:37.53 | wols | e |
| 15:37.55 | xand | why do you want to do that? doesn't sound very wise |
| 15:38.11 | simonrvn | bit maze-like that info page, so you gotta be patient with it :/ |
| 15:38.19 | foutrelis | I want to enable multiuser in screen |
| 15:38.23 | wols | xand: screen has to be setuid root. but it is by default |
| 15:38.33 | simonrvn | debian install you'd get the option to do so or not, IIRC |
| 15:38.42 | en1gma | wols how do i get to gdm |
| 15:38.44 | simonrvn | maybe not |
| 15:38.48 | gordboy | simonrvn, you sound like a chap who knows a thing or two. is it better to convert rpms with alien, or just install them with rpm ? there are a couple that i need, that don't come any other way. i did alien -d on them, so as to only have one package database and not confuse things. what do you think ? |
| 15:38.56 | simonrvn | alien |
| 15:38.57 | vin` | en1gma: ctrl-alt-del |
| 15:39.00 | wols | en1gma: how do you get into X? is there a greaphical login? |
| 15:39.10 | en1gma | nope |
| 15:39.11 | gordboy | simonrvn, cool |
| 15:39.14 | en1gma | oh yes there is |
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| 15:39.20 | simonrvn | don't fuq with rpms otherwise, they'll fuq you |
| 15:39.35 | wols | simonrvn: even with alien, it will break sooner or leater |
| 15:39.42 | en1gma | yea its a gui login that first asks me for my user name then i type it and hit enter then it asks me for pass |
| 15:39.52 | simonrvn | yeh. deps, build environment, etc. |
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| 15:40.24 | wols | en1gma: if it's gdm (there are several different ones) you can change DEs there |
| 15:40.32 | h3sp4wn | convert to tgz and install manually is safer |
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| 15:40.34 | en1gma | i dont think its GDM |
| 15:40.39 | simonrvn | i stay away from rpms whenever possible... i build it myself, and build it as debs, or install theirs |
| 15:40.44 | en1gma | i think its just gnome login screens |
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| 15:40.49 | simonrvn | if they have any debs |
| 15:40.55 | gordboy | simonrvn, i'm wearing protective goggles, i'll be ok :) |
| 15:40.58 | claudio` | CYA |
| 15:40.58 | claudio` | * |
| 15:41.22 | en1gma | i guess i should first check to see if i even have kde installed |
| 15:41.52 | en1gma | well that answers that (i dont) |
| 15:42.05 | en1gma | omg debian should ask you what you want to use |
| 15:42.13 | en1gma | i cant believe we are FORCED to use damn gnome |
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| 15:42.23 | wols | Sunbow: don't do this in here please |
| 15:42.33 | wols | en1gma: you are not. |
| 15:42.41 | en1gma | if you dont have internet you are |
| 15:42.44 | en1gma | offline install |
| 15:42.55 | wols | debian runs fine without any DE or X |
| 15:43.02 | en1gma | ha |
| 15:43.06 | en1gma | if you can get to it |
| 15:43.07 | wols | en1gma: you saw tasksel? |
| 15:43.11 | en1gma | i had those troubles yesterday |
| 15:43.12 | wols | when installing? |
| 15:43.14 | simonrvn | oh he's still here? |
| 15:43.15 | h3sp4wn | there is cd1 for kde / gnome or xfce |
| 15:43.18 | liable | en1gma: there are kde and xfce cd's |
| 15:43.19 | petemc | en1gma: so what would you choose? |
| 15:43.36 | en1gma | if i had to pick between gnome and X |
| 15:43.37 | en1gma | hmmm |
| 15:43.42 | petemc | erm, what? |
| 15:43.45 | en1gma | that is actually pretty togh |
| 15:44.32 | simonrvn | i put him on ignore a while ago ;) |
| 15:44.34 | gordboy | "gnome or X, which should i choose ?" |
| 15:44.36 | en1gma | did debian just start using gnome only as its defualt install (like in last year or so) cause i have installed debian in past and i would think i would remember that |
| 15:44.40 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 15:44.58 | wols | en1gma: debian has no default DE or WM |
| 15:45.01 | petemc | en1gma: they put the most popular packages on the first cd |
| 15:45.21 | wols | but yes, debian always was slightly more partial to gnome. but not much |
| 15:45.24 | en1gma | it never asked me when i installed the dvd if i wanted to use gnome or kde or xfce |
| 15:45.31 | simonrvn | gnome == DE, desktop environment; X == gnome, kde, etc. run in it |
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| 15:45.44 | en1gma | ohhh |
| 15:45.45 | wols | en1gma: it did ask if you want to install a desktop system |
| 15:45.47 | en1gma | didnt know that |
| 15:45.54 | simonrvn | !x |
| 15:45.58 | en1gma | yea i picked desktop thats true |
| 15:46.03 | en1gma | didnt know that meant gnome |
| 15:46.03 | simonrvn | bah |
| 15:46.07 | simonrvn | !x11 |
| 15:46.07 | dpkg | it has been said that x11 is a protocol used by X servers and clients X11 stands for the eleventh version of the X window system. |
| 15:46.29 | gordboy | !gnome |
| 15:46.29 | dpkg | somebody said gnome was a desktop environment - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, see #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org, or - to get gnome, ask about <install gnome>, or the human G-nome |
| 15:46.42 | en1gma | ok so when i get to that install option where i pick "Desktop" wout i pick other to install kde? |
| 15:47.00 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:47.06 | en1gma | fair enough |
| 15:47.07 | wols | CD1 with kde instead of cd12 with gnome |
| 15:47.17 | wols | *cd1 with gnome |
| 15:47.18 | en1gma | i figured the dvd would have i tall |
| 15:47.21 | en1gma | it all* |
| 15:47.34 | en1gma | well at least gnome and kde i figured |
| 15:47.52 | en1gma | i actually like gnome...but its to restrictive |
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| 15:48.03 | en1gma | unless you want to be in the cli all the time |
| 15:48.46 | en1gma | i dont know if i can get used to that....man the desktop seams more clean though |
| 15:48.48 | en1gma | the layout |
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| 15:49.01 | en1gma | but damn i like to be root in gui sometimes |
| 15:49.24 | en1gma | how can i login as root if i wanted too |
| 15:49.36 | signuts | is there a friendly vim config packaged in debian somewhere? |
| 15:49.40 | en1gma | there has to be something i can be root at login |
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| 15:50.31 | chops | en1gma: apt-cache search sux |
| 15:50.32 | concept10 | en1gma, you may log in as root.. whats the problem? |
| 15:50.47 | en1gma | it says debian does not allow root login when i try |
| 15:51.04 | en1gma | chops checking now |
| 15:51.19 | seans | chops: what would you recommed for searching for packages then? Ive always used apt-cache search |
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| 15:51.54 | amphi | chops: whiskey tango fotrot? |
| 15:51.55 | chops | seans: I generally use google, and I also keep a semi-recent copy of Contents-i386.gz in my home directory for quick zgrepping |
| 15:52.01 | en1gma | chops i just installed sux. that will allow me to login as root at the gui login screen? |
| 15:52.06 | chops | en1gma: No |
| 15:52.10 | en1gma | shiat |
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| 15:52.17 | chops | en1gma: But it will let you run GUI apps as root |
| 15:52.21 | chops | en1gma: Which is nice too |
| 15:52.22 | en1gma | oh ok |
| 15:52.22 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:52.24 | en1gma | that will work |
| 15:52.27 | en1gma | thats good enough |
| 15:52.30 | en1gma | ok let me test |
| 15:52.36 | chops | amphi: ? |
| 15:52.41 | lepton | so does sudo |
| 15:52.43 | gordboy | i've got fedora, gentoo, ubuntu & debian here. i have to say that dpkg/apt* is the king of package management. gentoo emerge/portage is ok. yum/rpm is even ok. but apt-get is so *fast* and nice |
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| 15:53.00 | en1gma | chops i could already do that |
| 15:53.05 | en1gma | i just opened a root term |
| 15:53.07 | chops | en1gma: Oh, okay |
| 15:53.10 | chops | en1gma: Carry on then |
| 15:53.19 | concept10 | what's wrong with apt-cache search? |
| 15:53.21 | en1gma | sux dont let you right click the app and select "Run As" |
| 15:53.23 | jelly | gordboy: if apt is fast, I shudder to think about the other's performance |
| 15:53.24 | amphi | chops: I misunderstood you, forget it |
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| 15:53.50 | chops | amphi: Oh, I see :-) |
| 15:53.53 | chops | amphi: heh |
| 15:54.02 | amphi | ;) |
| 15:54.06 | en1gma | ok to all. is there ANY way possible to login as root at the gui login screen |
| 15:54.16 | gordboy | amphi, nice to see you again, old chap |
| 15:54.17 | chops | amphi: I realized that just saying 'en1gma: sux' wouldn't get my point across, but I guess I didn't think it 100% through |
| 15:54.18 | xeihin | can some one help me with openvz? |
| 15:54.41 | amphi | g'day gordboy |
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| 15:54.47 | en1gma | is there anyway to boot to just console and login as root then startx |
| 15:54.50 | en1gma | as root |
| 15:55.04 | en1gma | come on i been using root since 1998 |
| 15:55.05 | en1gma | be real |
| 15:55.16 | jelly | chops: so say gksu or gksudo instead :-) |
| 15:55.29 | xuser | en1gma: chmod 644 /etc/init.d/gdm |
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| 15:55.41 | jelly | en1gma: why? |
| 15:55.52 | concept10 | en1gma, in a console run su -c telinit 1 |
| 15:55.54 | en1gma | xuser that will allow me to login as root at gui login |
| 15:56.05 | en1gma | ? |
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| 15:56.17 | xuser | en1gma: you are using gnome? |
| 15:56.20 | jelly | en1gma: what's the purpose of that? |
| 15:56.20 | en1gma | yepo |
| 15:56.21 | gordboy | en1gma, you probably have to log in as punter, and do menu -> system -> admin -> login window -> security -> allow local admin login. or just edit the gdm.conf file directly :) |
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| 15:56.47 | en1gma | ok all checking those ideas...hope one works good |
| 15:56.50 | en1gma | thanks |
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| 15:57.09 | xuser | en1gma: that disables gmd. |
| 15:57.17 | xuser | s/gmd/gdm |
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| 15:57.31 | xeihin | I love your kind of help ('¬.¬) |
| 15:57.31 | en1gma | gordboy i think i love you |
| 15:57.40 | en1gma | thats what i been looking for NICE! |
| 15:57.44 | en1gma | gonna try it |
| 15:57.49 | gordboy | you guys are so mean. give the poor lamer a chance |
| 15:58.08 | en1gma | its nice to have root access every once in a while |
| 15:58.17 | en1gma | i dont mean run in root all the time |
| 15:58.17 | gordboy | O.o |
| 15:58.21 | concept10 | no ones been mean, everyone has given him options. |
| 15:58.21 | en1gma | bbaim gonna test this |
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| 15:58.45 | en1gma | yes the channel was kind and very helpfull...cant believe it this early in the morning and people are nice |
| 15:58.46 | en1gma | :) |
| 15:58.54 | gordboy | concept10, i think you missed my subtle opportunity to insult him further :) |
| 15:59.03 | en1gma | brb |
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| 15:59.24 | concept10 | Im going to stop helping people who dont listen. I gave this guy install instructions three frigging times yesterday...im not doing that again |
| 15:59.27 | liable | gordboy: no, for a start, he claims to be setting up a sid box for a noob, and secondly wants to edit files using a gui editor. |
| 15:59.42 | lepton | can't one login as root on the console and just 'startx' ? |
| 15:59.50 | concept10 | some people want you to hand them the world in a one line irc chat |
| 15:59.51 | simonrvn | NO |
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| 16:00.02 | concept10 | lepton, yes, you can. |
| 16:00.03 | liable | cant one just learn to use a text editor? |
| 16:00.11 | simonrvn | DO NOT RUN X AS ROOT |
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| 16:00.20 | hark | liable: but, he's been using root since 98! |
| 16:00.25 | chops | Look, just because he's an idiot is no reason not to help him. He doesn't seem to mean any harm. |
| 16:00.28 | concept10 | simmerz, x runs at root every time you boot |
| 16:00.43 | simonrvn | "root" |
| 16:00.44 | gordboy | concept10, been there. done that. i know. some people are *so* annoying |
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| 16:00.44 | simonrvn | concept10: as the root user, dumbass |
| 16:00.44 | liable | hark: yes, among other things. |
| 16:00.55 | concept10 | simonrvn, whats the difference? |
| 16:00.57 | simmerz | concept10: ??? |
| 16:01.04 | simonrvn | i.e., exactly as lepton described |
| 16:01.07 | chops | "How do I run as root?" "Don't do that." "Yeah, but I want to." "Okay, here's how." might plant a seed that five years later blossoms into "Hey, wow, those IRC people were right, I was an idiot." |
| 16:01.25 | concept10 | simmerz, ?? What?? |
| 16:01.32 | chops | "How do I run as root?" "Here, do [how to disable gdm from running]" will just make him think #debian is a bunch of jerks. |
| 16:01.47 | chops | That's my opinion. |
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| 16:01.55 | gordboy | i'm gonna change my name to hadron. i'm a fat b'stard |
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| 16:01.59 | liable | and your entitled to it |
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| 16:02.08 | simonrvn | chops: i said the former to him probably 20 -30 min ago, and he chose to call me a troll |
| 16:02.17 | en1gma | that worked perfect |
| 16:02.26 | en1gma | that keeps gnome on :) |
| 16:02.37 | simonrvn | also told him to go back to windows and make sure it wasn't connected to the internet |
| 16:02.38 | concept10 | dammit, I say let him run root if he wants. People may be ignorant but not stupid, they know the risks |
| 16:02.53 | chops | concept10: Agreed |
| 16:02.58 | concept10 | GDM runs as root everytime you boot into runlevel 2 |
| 16:03.08 | chops | en1gma: We've been discussing what a bad idea it is for you to be running as root. Have fun :-). |
| 16:03.08 | simonrvn | he doesn't seem to know the risks |
| 16:03.20 | en1gma | ok someone sent me a dpkg message awhile ago about isntalling nvidias binary driver (howto) could someone do that again or tell me how to msg the bot for that |
| 16:03.26 | simonrvn | no it does not. gdm has a user:group called gdm |
| 16:03.42 | simonrvn | kdm does |
| 16:03.46 | en1gma | chops i been on linux since 1998 (just never used gnome over a day or two in that lifespan |
| 16:03.46 | chops | en1gma: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 16:03.52 | n3kl_ | How can I cat a local file into a remote file through ssh? I thought something like: cat .ssh/id_rsa.pub > - | ssh host cat - >> .ssh/authorized_keys2 would do the trick. Any ideas? |
| 16:03.52 | en1gma | chops thanks |
| 16:03.54 | lepton | simonrvn: the only way he's going to learn is the hard way |
| 16:04.03 | en1gma | gnome is a bit different then kde or even flux |
| 16:04.14 | concept10 | ahem: root 9379 0.0 0.1 12212 664 ? Ss May10 0:00 /usr/sbin/gdm --config=/etc/gdm/gdm-cdd.conf |
| 16:04.16 | h3sp4wn | X has to run as root (root 5312 5311 0 11:44 tty7 00:02:48 /usr/bin/X11/X -dpi 96 -nolisten tcp) |
| 16:04.45 | simonrvn | concept10: see /var/lib/dpkg/info/gdm.postinst |
| 16:05.00 | mandingo | my gdm is running as root as well |
| 16:05.06 | gordboy | en1gma, 1998 you say ? hmmmm. haven't learned much in 9 years , have you ? i've been doing debian 2 days and i know a good bit more than you do |
| 16:05.12 | simonrvn | maybe it doesn't anymore, but last time i had it installed, it created the gdm user and group |
| 16:05.12 | Begasus | w00t ... nvidia server settings runnign ;) |
| 16:05.21 | en1gma | that nvidia one liner is not what i need |
| 16:05.34 | en1gma | i need a howto on installing the nvidia binary driver not a pkg |
| 16:05.37 | mandingo | n3kl: why not just scp the file? |
| 16:05.38 | n3kl_ | gordboy: twist the knife man |
| 16:05.50 | chops | en1gma: Why not a pkg? |
| 16:05.55 | en1gma | cause there isnt one |
| 16:06.00 | concept10 | simonrvn, what do you want me to see in that script? |
| 16:06.03 | en1gma | i want to use the beta drivers 100.14.03 |
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| 16:06.12 | chops | en1gma: Ah, okay. Good luck. |
| 16:06.15 | simonrvn | concept10: nah, just ignore that, pointless now |
| 16:06.29 | n3kl_ | mandingo: well, I am trying to cat the public key from multiple boxes, so scp would overwrite it. I have like 20 boxes that I need to manage keys on and I am just trying to find a faster way to do it. |
| 16:06.30 | en1gma | well i figure there porb is a howto that you all might know of...ill go read it |
| 16:06.37 | concept10 | simonrvn, I see create gdm user |
| 16:06.41 | en1gma | like a recommended howto |
| 16:06.44 | simonrvn | i haven't had gdm installed for a while ;) |
| 16:06.51 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 16:06.58 | en1gma | i know there are tons on google most likely but you all might have a fav |
| 16:07.04 | h3sp4wn | en1gma: giving a new user a per trashed system is not nice |
| 16:07.05 | simmerz | concept10: I didn't say anything before, but you said something to me. konversation was flashing at me |
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| 16:07.11 | h3sp4wn | en1gma: *pre |
| 16:07.14 | simonrvn | simmerz: bad tab completion |
| 16:07.29 | concept10 | simmerz, sorry, was talking to someone else |
| 16:07.35 | simmerz | concept10: np |
| 16:07.42 | en1gma | well i got 2 systems im doing (the 100.14.03) driver is for my system with a GF 8800gtx |
| 16:07.44 | simmerz | simonrvn: aye. |
| 16:08.00 | en1gma | other system is for friend that has only recently tried suse |
| 16:08.04 | h3sp4wn | en1gma: and you will manually deal with setting up diverts ? |
| 16:08.07 | en1gma | he didnt like it so we going to try debian |
| 16:08.11 | gordboy | en1gma, is that the 3.5 litre twin v16 ? |
| 16:08.16 | en1gma | :) |
| 16:08.19 | concept10 | en1gma, you can run your box into runlevel 1 and do that startx stuff. for what? its non-sense |
| 16:08.21 | en1gma | when it runs yes |
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| 16:08.41 | en1gma | concept10 we got past that with allow local logins |
| 16:08.56 | tomdick | i've got etch as a webserver and was wondering if it's possible to set up apache to serve based on hostnames and on port numbers... |
| 16:08.57 | concept10 | en1gma, well good. |
| 16:08.59 | en1gma | now we are on to a tut/howto install nvidia binarys |
| 16:09.16 | chops | tomdick: Google 'apache virtual host' |
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| 16:09.48 | h3sp4wn | en1gma: nvidia's installer is not supported here try #nvidia |
| 16:10.03 | mandingo | n3kl: ahh, got ya! |
| 16:10.32 | mandingo | n3kl: since you dont have the keys yet a nifty for loop with scp wouldn't do the trick either! :( |
| 16:10.36 | Begasus | en1gma .. did you get the priv msg's? |
| 16:10.39 | en1gma | ok i pretty much know how to install nvidia binarys and run its config....just tell me, what is the correct way to get to a root console (with no X running anywhere) so i can sh nvidia.pkg |
| 16:10.56 | gordboy | en1gma, just change to ubuntu feisty. all the repos and shit are all set up for you. all i had to do was add medibuntu. pure debian is an acquired taste, not for the casual drive-by user |
| 16:10.58 | en1gma | i got the private message for debian installer |
| 16:11.35 | en1gma | that will change me from debian sid to ubuntu fiesty? |
| 16:11.48 | h3sp4wn | en1gma: If you are using the default sid kernel you have more to think about (because of paravirtual ops won't build) |
| 16:11.54 | gordboy | i give up |
| 16:11.57 | Begasus | en1gma "Ctrl-Alt-F1" |
| 16:11.59 | en1gma | im using 2.6.18 |
| 16:12.01 | YoG | can anyone help me setting a usb prism2 wifi card? |
| 16:12.08 | n3kl_ | mandingo: will this will copy the first set, for x in a b c d e ; do scp .ssh/id.pub $x:.ssh/authorized_keys;done, but then what happens when I want that host to accept multiple keys, scp overwrites, ya with me? Do you know of a better way to do this? |
| 16:12.16 | Begasus | eek |
| 16:12.17 | en1gma | Begasus that will "kill" all X sessions? |
| 16:12.22 | h3sp4wn | en1gma: Should be ok with 2.6.18 |
| 16:12.29 | stew | n3kl_: use ssh-copy-id |
| 16:12.33 | Begasus | ubunt* :/ |
| 16:12.33 | Begasus | hehe |
| 16:12.36 | n3kl_ | stew: qua |
| 16:12.37 | concept10 | does gnome on debian have a link to root console? |
| 16:12.49 | tomdick | chops: what is this 'google' you speak of? i've done that, i've been reading the apache docs, i just want to see if someone with experience can tell me if i'm doing this in an unnecessarily difficult fashion. |
| 16:12.57 | Begasus | no en1gma .. only get's you to the bash ... |
| 16:13.00 | stew | n3kl_: don't use scp to copy keys around, use ssh-copy-id |
| 16:13.03 | gordboy | "i've been doing linux for nearly 10 years, and i don't know what a virtual console is" |
| 16:13.07 | mandingo | n3kl: for i in a b c d e; do scp .ssh/id.pub $i:~/.ssh/authorized_keys.$i; done |
| 16:13.14 | n3kl_ | stew: dope, I think that will do. Thanks |
| 16:13.16 | Begasus | then do /etc/init.d/ stop |
| 16:13.17 | Begasus | etc ... |
| 16:13.22 | en1gma | i need all X sessions killed and gmd stop has a bug where it keeps restarting gdm |
| 16:13.23 | chops | tomdick: If you pastebin your apache config I can take a look at it |
| 16:13.30 | concept10 | heh |
| 16:13.32 | mandingo | or ssh-copy-id! |
| 16:13.32 | mandingo | haha |
| 16:13.52 | chops | en1gma: /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 16:13.57 | Begasus | I've been messing and 'stressing' enough with ubuntu ... that story ended for me |
| 16:14.03 | mandingo | but yeah, you can always append a the bash var to the end of the filename, then do another for loop on the other end |
| 16:14.06 | mandingo | type dealio |
| 16:14.06 | en1gma | yep it "TRIES" to kill it but keeps restarting |
| 16:14.08 | scoopex | hi....ist there a comfortable way to create packages of my own python-scripts directly from my checked out subversion repositories ? |
| 16:14.16 | Begasus | Debian was pretty nice to setup here |
| 16:14.25 | en1gma | i get the "X has tried to stop 6 times in 90 seconds error" |
| 16:14.29 | concept10 | en1gma, it probably has a restart flag |
| 16:14.41 | en1gma | and will wait 2 minutes to try again then it starts all over |
| 16:14.53 | Begasus | yep |
| 16:14.53 | Begasus | forgot that one ;Ã |
| 16:14.57 | Begasus | ;) * |
| 16:15.29 | en1gma | so how do i really kill X |
| 16:15.29 | Begasus | en1gma .. are you running X as user or as root? |
| 16:15.29 | concept10 | en1gma, dude what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 16:15.29 | en1gma | its like those trick candles |
| 16:15.30 | en1gma | install the nvidia binary BETA driver |
| 16:15.37 | Begasus | if as root log out first! |
| 16:15.49 | Begasus | :S |
| 16:15.49 | concept10 | en1gma, why do you have to kill X? |
| 16:15.57 | Begasus | you shoot it ;) |
| 16:16.05 | n3kl_ | mandingo: so does ssh include all authorized_keys* files? |
| 16:16.06 | en1gma | that is the proper way to install nvidia binary drivers without someones script |
| 16:16.30 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 16:16.31 | dpkg | <jetscreamer> should be doable though, even if it's not |
| 16:16.33 | Begasus | running the 1.0.9755 driver on the pc here now in etch |
| 16:16.39 | en1gma | 100.14.03 |
| 16:16.43 | en1gma | geforce 8800 gtx |
| 16:16.48 | en1gma | i need the betas |
| 16:16.53 | mandingo | n3kl: no, then you can do another for loop on the other end. something like for i in a b c d; do cat authorized_keys.$i >> authorized_keys; done |
| 16:16.57 | Begasus | hehe |
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| 16:17.12 | en1gma | so far i havent heard to get to a non-X console |
| 16:17.16 | en1gma | is there a way |
| 16:17.30 | mandingo | ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 16:17.32 | stew | en1gma: ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 16:17.36 | en1gma | X is still running |
| 16:17.39 | amphi | en1gma: alt-ctrl-f1 - as I told you many hours ago, IIRC |
| 16:17.41 | n3kl_ | mandingo: good point |
| 16:17.41 | en1gma | i cant have X running anywhere |
| 16:17.45 | en1gma | NO X |
| 16:17.57 | Begasus | en1gma ... hit "Ctrl-Alt-F1" |
| 16:17.58 | chops | en1gma: sudo telinit 1 |
| 16:18.02 | concept10 | en1gma, su -c telinit 1 |
| 16:18.03 | amphi | heh |
| 16:18.05 | stew | en1gma: /etc/init.d/?dm stop |
| 16:18.20 | Begasus | that's 3 times ;) |
| 16:18.22 | mandingo | en1gma: shutdown -h now |
| 16:18.23 | mandingo | :D |
| 16:18.25 | en1gma | ok thanks chops and concept10 will try that and stew gdm stop dont work |
| 16:18.33 | stew | en1gma: why doesn't it work? |
| 16:18.35 | chops | Begasus: He doesn't want to have X running anywhere |
| 16:18.36 | Begasus | :S |
| 16:18.39 | en1gma | it restarts |
| 16:18.43 | Begasus | I know chops |
| 16:18.57 | Begasus | but he has to get to the console first ;) |
| 16:18.59 | concept10 | I told him earlier |
| 16:19.07 | en1gma | a console with no X running ;) |
| 16:19.17 | Begasus | then do a '/etc/init.d/gdm stop' |
| 16:19.17 | concept10 | and he hit me back with a fucking ? |
| 16:19.29 | en1gma | does anyone not hear me when i say gdm stop dont work |
| 16:19.29 | Begasus | whel you could do that in a x terminal also |
| 16:19.34 | mandingo | en1gma: your login manager is restarting it, which is why you have to get to a console and turn your login manager off, hence the gdm stop |
| 16:19.37 | Begasus | but as 'root' |
| 16:19.46 | en1gma | gdm stop does not work |
| 16:19.48 | amphi | !doesn't work |
| 16:19.49 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 16:19.49 | mandingo | then you can kill X without it restarting |
| 16:20.01 | en1gma | i open a term in X and have done the gdm stop |
| 16:20.04 | en1gma | it restarts |
| 16:20.17 | Begasus | en1gma even in X |
| 16:20.17 | Begasus | just use a root terminal session |
| 16:20.17 | stew | en1gma: kill the gdm process, then kill x with ctrl-atl-bksp |
| 16:20.20 | amphi | en1gma: what command did you use, exactly? |
| 16:20.23 | concept10 | en1gma, did you listen to what me and others said? |
| 16:20.36 | Begasus | en1gma did you 'su' in a terminal? |
| 16:20.37 | Begasus | hehe |
| 16:20.45 | stew | en1gma: if you kill gdm with `kill` it won't restart x (obviously) |
| 16:20.47 | en1gma | i used /etc/init.d/gdm stop as ROOT |
| 16:20.56 | Begasus | as root?? |
| 16:21.07 | en1gma | well do you mean i actually have to kill a process id just to stop X |
| 16:21.07 | en1gma | omg |
| 16:21.14 | stew | en1gma: yes |
| 16:21.17 | Begasus | don't think he get's the bigger picture ;) |
| 16:21.24 | stew | en1gma: or debug the gdm init script |
| 16:21.31 | mandingo | actually, en1gma, it might be best to just remove gdm altogether |
| 16:21.37 | stew | en1gma: you can put "set -x" at the top of the init script and try to debug it |
| 16:21.37 | Begasus | en1gma do 'su' in a terminal |
| 16:21.38 | mandingo | it may help with your confusion |
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| 16:21.50 | amphi | where is mwilson when you need him? ;) |
| 16:21.55 | en1gma | will these commands work |
| 16:21.57 | Begasus | lol |
| 16:21.59 | en1gma | (06:17:48 AM) chops: en1gma: sudo telinit 1 |
| 16:21.59 | en1gma | (06:17:52 AM) concept10: en1gma, su -c telinit 1 |
| 16:21.59 | mandingo | stew: woah man, we're having a hard enough time with stopping GDM |
| 16:22.01 | stew | !be mwilson barbie |
| 16:22.01 | dpkg | What in the world does that have to do with barbie? Other than nothing, of course. |
| 16:22.02 | mandingo | haha |
| 16:22.07 | concept10 | all he has to do is boot into runlevel 1. what part of this conversation doesnt he understand? |
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| 16:22.10 | ole | how can I rename volume disks as show by gnome-volume-manager? |
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| 16:22.17 | amphi | stew: hehehe |
| 16:22.36 | Begasus | or 'su <pswd> shutdown now' ;) |
| 16:22.45 | en1gma | concept10 i have been told many times that debian does not use runlevels |
| 16:22.49 | en1gma | in here |
| 16:22.53 | chops | en1gma: You have been lied to |
| 16:22.57 | mandingo | en1gma: you ahve been told many times wrong! |
| 16:22.59 | stew | en1gma: that is incorrect. debian uses runlevels |
| 16:23.08 | en1gma | then why cant i do init 3 |
| 16:23.13 | amphi | en1gma: no; you've been told that 2-5 are the same, by default |
| 16:23.16 | concept10 | en1gma, no, it doesnt use runlevels. it runs on squirrel levels 1-25 |
| 16:23.17 | en1gma | thats what i always did before |
| 16:23.22 | stew | en1gma: you can. by default it is the same as runlevel 2 though |
| 16:23.37 | Begasus | sudo?? |
| 16:23.37 | Begasus | en1gma you are running ubuntu?? |
| 16:23.40 | en1gma | debian |
| 16:23.43 | jenn1 | Hello! What I have to do for installing nvidia. I have a Asus 7600 GS. |
| 16:23.44 | en1gma | sid |
| 16:23.46 | amphi | en1gma: I know, because I told you |
| 16:24.02 | stew | en1gma: you need to either kill gdm, or figure out why /etc/init.d/gdm stop isnt' killing gdm |
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| 16:24.09 | en1gma | ive never been told runlevel 2-5 is default |
| 16:24.22 | gordboy | runlevel 7 ftw |
| 16:24.24 | en1gma | do these lines work |
| 16:24.28 | en1gma | (06:17:48 AM) chops: en1gma: sudo telinit 1 |
| 16:24.28 | en1gma | (06:17:52 AM) concept10: en1gma, su -c telinit 1 |
| 16:24.35 | concept10 | probably because you never cracked open a man page |
| 16:24.35 | stew | en1gma: runlevel 2 is default. in debian 2-5 are all oging to be identical until you change them. 0 is halt 1 is singleuser and 6 is reboot |
| 16:24.51 | amphi | en1gma: can you not read? |
| 16:25.00 | amphi | en1gma: no; you've been told that 2-5 are the same, by default |
| 16:25.01 | en1gma | omg on the boot up screen it says i can pick single user (that is run level 1)? |
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| 16:25.08 | mandingo | yes |
| 16:25.20 | en1gma | amphi only a few mins ago did anyone tell me that 2-5 are default |
| 16:25.27 | stew | en1gma: 2 is default |
| 16:25.31 | en1gma | all night long people told me debian does not have run levels |
| 16:25.40 | en1gma | ok wll shit that should take care of that |
| 16:25.42 | amphi | en1gma: I don't believe you |
| 16:25.47 | en1gma | single user mode NICE* |
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| 16:25.53 | en1gma | read the logs they are ther |
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| 16:26.05 | Begasus | seems like the nvidia is a thing more peeps need ;) |
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| 16:26.30 | amphi | gordboy: heh |
| 16:26.30 | jenn1 | Is it working on debian or not? |
| 16:26.32 | en1gma | if there was a dpkg script for the nvidia beta driver i would just just synaptic |
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| 16:26.42 | en1gma | ok brb |
| 16:26.46 | en1gma | and thanks for the patience |
| 16:26.52 | h3sp4wn | !nvidia jenn1 |
| 16:27.00 | en1gma | debian is a bit diff then a few other distros...so please bare with me |
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| 16:27.24 | gordboy | ew |
| 16:27.24 | en1gma | thanks again |
| 16:27.24 | en1gma | brb |
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| 16:27.38 | jenn1 | h3sp4wn, what do mean? |
| 16:27.44 | gordboy | sometimes they richly deserve it tho |
| 16:27.57 | Begasus | I'm using the nvidia driver 1.0.9755 here just from a while back |
| 16:28.15 | h3sp4wn | jenn1: looks like the bot is down |
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| 16:28.27 | concept10 | there is no difference |
| 16:28.27 | concept10 | I dont understand kids today |
| 16:28.34 | S4nD3r | How to install a DVD ? |
| 16:28.35 | h3sp4wn | jenn1: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
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| 16:29.01 | gordboy | concept10, how old are you, gramps ? |
| 16:29.15 | concept10 | gordboy, im 33 |
| 16:29.16 | amphi | jenn1: try the dpkg in oftc perhaps |
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| 16:29.44 | gordboy | concept10, i'm 47. you are a mere stripling |
| 16:29.44 | stew | what is wrong with the dpkg here? |
| 16:29.53 | versaffer | #cisco |
| 16:29.53 | concept10 | gordboy, heh |
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| 16:30.15 | jenn1 | I have tried a lot but installing nvidia driver on debian is very difficult. In fact it didn't work... :( |
| 16:30.16 | Begasus | 44 |
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| 16:30.30 | Begasus | :P |
| 16:30.30 | Begasus | lol gordboy ;) |
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| 16:30.55 | n3kl_ | Is there a way to allow root ssh by key buy not by password? |
| 16:30.57 | gordboy | this is a way cool channel btw. plenty of backchat, but plenty good advice too |
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| 16:31.16 | Begasus | jenn1 can you take private msg? |
| 16:31.21 | Nergar | !netinstall |
| 16:31.21 | dpkg | methinks netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection. see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst If you use a dialup connection, ask me about dialup install. |
| 16:31.24 | jenn1 | I have instaled debian new and I don't want to mess my system up.... |
| 16:31.35 | stew | n3kl_: yes, man sshd_config |
| 16:31.42 | jenn1 | I think so |
| 16:31.43 | Begasus | pasting ... jenn1 |
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| 16:31.49 | concept10 | gordboy, I mean, I wish, I only wish when I was young, you had a platform such as this.. you have access to a free powerful OS with all of the documentation and source code you can chew on. But in the end, many people do not want to listen or learn. |
| 16:31.54 | chops | jenn1: Welcome to the unpleasant world of binary drivers |
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| 16:32.22 | n3kl_ | stew: k |
| 16:32.36 | chops | jenn1: I used the nvidia binary driver once, because I was doing 3d development. It worked for one kernel revision, showed an ugly logo on startup, crashed if I tried to use dual monitors, and broke as soon as I upgraded my kernel (notwithstanding a recompile, of course). |
| 16:32.39 | S4nD3r | My DVD doesnt work, what to do ? |
| 16:32.46 | chops | jenn1: I was extremely happy when I was able to switch back to nv |
| 16:32.57 | Begasus | ;) |
| 16:32.57 | Begasus | jenn1 got the msg's? |
| 16:33.06 | jenn1 | no |
| 16:33.11 | gordboy | concept10, ain't that the truth. and they don't have to learn jcl and ibm 360 assembler, either |
| 16:33.22 | xitron | jenn1, you get any error msg's? |
| 16:33.36 | mandingo | it must have been hard walking uphill in the snow both ways to school |
| 16:33.39 | mandingo | hahaha |
| 16:33.46 | gordboy | lol |
| 16:33.47 | jenn1 | sorry yes of course... |
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| 16:34.08 | xitron | jenn1, can you paste it on pastebin.. |
| 16:34.10 | tomdick | chops: i'm aware that i have little idea of what i'm doing here, but currently this configuration works: it serves up different pages based on the port number requested. |
| 16:34.14 | tarzeau | anyone join play #bub-n-bros w/ me? |
| 16:34.30 | chops | tomdick: Did you put it on pastebin? |
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| 16:34.44 | tomdick | chops: see http://pastebin.ca/483194 and then http://pastebin.ca/483188 |
| 16:34.47 | tomdick | for more info |
| 16:34.52 | S4nD3r | My DVD doesnt work, what to do ? |
| 16:34.53 | Raaku | can anyone help please |
| 16:35.01 | mandingo | haha |
| 16:35.01 | mandingo | wow |
| 16:35.07 | xitron | Raaku, what the problem? |
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| 16:35.24 | mandingo | Raaku: you have to describe a problem before anyone can possibly know whether or not they can help :) |
| 16:35.25 | Raaku | i have 2.4.26 kernel |
| 16:35.25 | xitron | S4nD3r, you install libdvdcss? |
| 16:35.30 | Raaku | and |
| 16:35.45 | stew | Raaku: if you have a quesiton, just ask it |
| 16:35.51 | Raaku | and i'm just wondering if there is an irc chan that can assist me |
| 16:35.55 | Raaku | i know you guys wont |
| 16:35.57 | Novell | hello, since ldbm support have been removed from etch, do I have to compile my own openldap to use my database after an upgrade from sarge ? |
| 16:35.58 | S4nD3r | xitron: no that i remember |
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| 16:36.02 | stew | Raaku: are you running debian? |
| 16:36.04 | Raaku | yep |
| 16:36.07 | jenn1 | http://pastebin.ca/483197 |
| 16:36.07 | mandingo | Raaku: assist you with WHAT? |
| 16:36.10 | xitron | S4nD3r, try install vlc with me it just works |
| 16:36.17 | stew | Raaku: if you ask a question, we'll try to help |
| 16:36.48 | Raaku | alright |
| 16:36.48 | gordboy | S4nD3r, what does dmesg say ? are you in gnome ? if you are, you can turn automount on for removables & optical disks. but xitron is right. vlc rocks |
| 16:36.48 | S4nD3r | Im installing vlc right now |
| 16:36.48 | Raaku | i have a usb-serial cable that uses the prolific pl2303 driver |
| 16:36.48 | jenn1 | Sorry but I have only a log from old ubuntu times. But it is the same on Debian. |
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| 16:36.50 | xitron | gordboy, tnx :-)) |
| 16:37.01 | Raaku | only on 2.4 the usbserial driver |
| 16:37.06 | Raaku | only allows for 64k |
| 16:37.09 | Raaku | transfer |
| 16:37.16 | S4nD3r | will be necessary to reboot my box? |
| 16:37.20 | jenn1 | I hope somebody can help. |
| 16:37.34 | Raaku | i'm wondering if where i would increase the buffer size |
| 16:37.46 | h3sp4wn | !nvidia one-liner |
| 16:37.46 | dpkg | it has been said that nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
| 16:37.50 | Raaku | i've looked in usb.c, usb-serial.c pl2303.c |
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| 16:37.58 | Raaku | devio.c |
| 16:38.03 | Raaku | and i can't find it |
| 16:38.06 | xitron | S4nD3r, no :D ofc not |
| 16:38.06 | h3sp4wn | jenn1: take a look at the nvidia one-liner (seems it responded this time) |
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| 16:38.46 | S4nD3r | Ok, I have DVD disc in drive, I will try it |
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| 16:39.30 | xitron | gota eat brb |
| 16:39.37 | Begasus | h3sp4wn ... one should add a line that you need the non free repo also in the sources list for that ... |
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| 16:39.38 | Raaku | i'm just wondering if there is a patch for 2.4.26 something |
| 16:39.50 | Raaku | that would allow to increase the buffer |
| 16:39.56 | Begasus | atleast I think so ... |
| 16:40.02 | sphenxes | i have a dual boot system. It takes only few seconds to decide between debian and windows. my question how can I change the time interval for GRUB and where? (newbie) |
| 16:40.03 | Begasus | using the nvidia one here ... since the one liner didn't work ... |
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| 16:40.29 | Fuwex | Hey guys |
| 16:40.35 | jenn1 | why does the originial driver doesn't work? |
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| 16:40.56 | Begasus | deppends on the bootloader I think .... |
| 16:40.58 | h3sp4wn | Begasus: Probably (I haven't got the grips with the s~ syntax to do it though :/) |
| 16:41.00 | jenn1 | it is much simplier to click und run....:( |
| 16:41.05 | stew | jenn1: which driver is the original driver? |
| 16:41.50 | Begasus | but haven't played with that yet as grub is a pain in the * |
| 16:41.50 | Begasus | you're not running windows jenn1 ;° |
| 16:41.52 | Begasus | ;) * |
| 16:41.57 | Begasus | also ;) |
| 16:41.58 | jenn1 | http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_1.0-9755.html |
| 16:41.59 | EmleyMoor | When I boot up my machine, I need to make sure that qpsmtpd starts. That in turn feeds exim - would I need to start exim in such a case? If so, what links do I actually need in the relevant rc.d? |
| 16:42.01 | jenn1 | no |
| 16:42.06 | jenn1 | :) |
| 16:42.30 | chops | tomdick: I think you need to uncomment those NameVirtualHost directives |
| 16:42.40 | chops | See the example at http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/vhosts/name-based.html |
| 16:43.08 | S4nD3r | Its impossible to mount DVD drive |
| 16:43.16 | Begasus | jenn1 ... did you get my private messages?? |
| 16:43.29 | jenn1 | no didn't get it |
| 16:43.46 | S4nD3r | I installed vlc |
| 16:43.56 | Begasus | it mounts automaticly here ... |
| 16:44.00 | jenn1 | did you get mine? |
| 16:44.00 | S4nD3r | but the DVD is not working properly yet |
| 16:44.46 | S4nD3r | I dont know what to do |
| 16:44.57 | Begasus | no jenn1 |
| 16:44.57 | Begasus | are you registrated on the irc server ? |
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| 16:45.03 | jenn1 | no |
| 16:45.06 | jenn1 | am not |
| 16:45.17 | Begasus | they should be obligated to register on a irc chan ;) |
| 16:45.37 | Begasus | S4nD3r .. regular dvd or copyright protected? |
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| 16:45.57 | Begasus | not sure if I can paste in the chan here ... |
| 16:45.57 | S4nD3r | regular |
| 16:46.10 | jenn1 | I tried envy also, but even this didn't work. |
| 16:46.16 | Begasus | as I'm only online here for a few days ;) |
| 16:46.20 | en1gma | when i run the nvidia driver it keeps telling me i need the libc dev header files |
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| 16:46.30 | PaSurf | How would I copy a file over and existing file? I am getting the error |
| 16:46.31 | claudio` | re |
| 16:46.33 | en1gma | what package is that for 2.6.18-4-k7 |
| 16:46.54 | S4nD3r | I have a DVD recorder |
| 16:47.02 | S4nD3r | But its not working as DVD drive |
| 16:47.04 | jenn1 | PaSurf cp /directory/file /directory/file2 |
| 16:47.27 | amphi | en1gma: easiest is to install build-essential, perhaps |
| 16:47.35 | en1gma | oh ok |
| 16:47.45 | en1gma | i was thinking it was called bin-utils |
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| 16:47.59 | Begasus | so here goes nothing ... could be that I'm kicked but the person that gave me this really helped me there ... |
| 16:48.05 | stew | Begasus: don't paste in here |
| 16:48.05 | PaSurf | jenn1: The file already exists, but this is a upgrade (patch) for the program. Is there a switch to use to copy just the info this is different? |
| 16:48.05 | Begasus | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:48.05 | Begasus | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:48.05 | Begasus | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:48.05 | Begasus | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:48.05 | Begasus | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:48.14 | amphi | heh |
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| 16:48.24 | amphi | !pastebin |
| 16:48.24 | stew | !tell Begasus about paste |
| 16:48.24 | dpkg | somebody said pastebin was a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.ca/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 16:48.26 | tomdick | chops: when i include them, i get errors like: [warn] NameVirtualHost 12.34.56.78:80 has no VirtualHosts. only i get the message twice for each NameVirtualHost directive |
| 16:48.33 | S4nD3r | where do i find a tutorial to install my dvd drive |
| 16:48.35 | Begasus | sorry :s |
| 16:48.37 | S4nD3r | ? |
| 16:48.41 | en1gma | Begasus will add that to a text file THANKS ALOT |
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| 16:49.05 | Begasus | asked first but got no reply ... |
| 16:49.23 | en1gma | someone should add that as a bot reply |
| 16:49.29 | en1gma | that is very nice instructions |
| 16:49.37 | Begasus | it's no official doc or anythin en1gma ... so use at your own risk |
| 16:49.41 | chops | tomdick: Well, that is bizarre |
| 16:49.45 | jenn1 | Thanks Begasus. |
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| 16:49.59 | stew | en1gma: it is not in the bot becuase it is not recommended to use the nvidia installer |
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| 16:50.01 | en1gma | it looks good to me. and i think it could be official real easy...prob needs someones stamp of approval |
| 16:50.04 | Begasus | sorry stew ... I asked earlier if I could paste ... and announced it also ... (won't happen again) ;) |
| 16:50.05 | chops | tomdick: All I can think to tell you is that maybe some of the hostnames don't resolve on that system to the exact IP addresses that are specified for them |
| 16:50.11 | chops | tomdick: But I'm not really sure :-( |
| 16:50.12 | en1gma | stew aww ok |
| 16:50.19 | stew | Begasus: chanserv also told you not to when you joined |
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| 16:50.32 | en1gma | stew he was just trying to help me |
| 16:50.42 | liable | S4nD3r: heres a quick one: plug drive in; boot box; udev assigns it a /dev; watch pr0n; profit? |
| 16:50.48 | jenn1 | Begasus, this is all to install the offical nvidia-driver? |
| 16:50.50 | en1gma | sorry Begasus if you got in trouble for helping me |
| 16:51.07 | S4nD3r | Its plugged |
| 16:51.16 | en1gma | jenn1 its been a pain so far but with those instructions im sure it will be easeir |
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| 16:51.37 | Begasus | my fault stew |
| 16:51.37 | Begasus | np |
| 16:51.39 | liable | S4nD3r: check /var/log/kern.log |
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| 16:51.44 | jenn1 | well, I will try |
| 16:51.50 | en1gma | brb |
| 16:52.00 | en1gma | will let you know how it works Begasus |
| 16:52.02 | en1gma | brb |
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| 16:52.18 | S4nD3r | May 11 11:52:37 localhost kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev hda, sector 118741024 |
| 16:52.29 | S4nD3r | May 11 11:52:38 localhost kernel: hda: dma_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error } |
| 16:52.32 | S4nD3r | May 11 11:52:38 localhost kernel: hda: dma_intr: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=118741035, high=7, low=1300523, sector=118741032 |
| 16:52.58 | amphi | S4nD3r: bad news (assuming that's a hard disk) |
| 16:52.59 | xoz | S4nD3r: symptoms of a dying disks |
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| 16:53.05 | xoz | *disk |
| 16:53.17 | nicolah | is it possible to remote-login (I'm talking about opening a new gdm session) from a windows pc to ubuntu (ora other distros) ? thanks |
| 16:53.18 | liable | S4nD3r: does it have a dvd in it? |
| 16:53.22 | stew | S4nD3r: either your hard disk is dying or you have a bad cable. unfortunately is almost alwyas the former |
| 16:53.22 | xoz | give a year or two |
| 16:53.27 | S4nD3r | /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0 |
| 16:53.34 | S4nD3r | this is in my fstab |
| 16:53.42 | S4nD3r | this is my dvd |
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| 16:53.57 | S4nD3r | In Windows it works properly |
| 16:54.04 | S4nD3r | I was reading many CDs |
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| 16:54.12 | S4nD3r | recording CDs too ! |
| 16:54.14 | jenn1 | Begasus: "modprobe nvidia", what if it is not? |
| 16:54.22 | S4nD3r | but, Its impossible to read a DVD disc |
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| 16:55.15 | xoz | S4nD3r: yes but it will b0rk eventually. |
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| 16:55.16 | h3sp4wn | nicolah: It has been possible for a long time |
| 16:55.17 | nicolah | is it still possible ? |
| 16:55.17 | liable | S4nD3r: if your dvd drive is hdc, then your hard drive is fucked |
| 16:55.17 | nicolah | I've got a lot of different answers |
| 16:55.19 | jnguy | Greetings all. |
| 16:55.20 | h3sp4wn | Yes - easy with a commercial windows xserver or freenx |
| 16:55.26 | S4nD3r | liable: hun ? |
| 16:55.27 | liquid_raven | I'm trying to get a wifi adapter running using ndiswrapper, but there seems to be some kind of problem wih the WPA authentication |
| 16:55.37 | Begasus | that step I skipped ;) |
| 16:55.40 | jnguy | My machine is stalling on /etc/rc.local on bootup after an apt-get dist-upgrade... |
| 16:55.44 | S4nD3r | my hard disk |
| 16:55.45 | S4nD3r | ? |
| 16:55.45 | Begasus | just started X again ... |
| 16:55.47 | jnguy | anyone have any ideas on why? |
| 16:55.47 | liable | S4nD3r: your kernel messages were for hda, your fstab says hdc |
| 16:55.50 | nicolah | h3sp4wn, is there something free? |
| 16:55.51 | h3sp4wn | nicolah: slightly more complicated with the free x server |
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| 16:55.59 | jenn1 | ok |
| 16:55.59 | nicolah | ok |
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| 16:56.09 | jenn1 | thanks a lot. |
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| 16:56.14 | nicolah | h3sp4wn, where can I start from ? |
| 16:56.25 | S4nD3r | mount /media/cdrom0/ |
| 16:56.29 | S4nD3r | midia not found |
| 16:56.54 | xoz | S4nD3r: what are you doing? hda is the problem |
| 16:57.06 | S4nD3r | is the problem ? |
| 16:57.08 | S4nD3r | Oh my |
| 16:57.10 | h3sp4wn | nicolah: depends what you want to do have a look at http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Xming and http://freenx.berlios.de/ (decide which you want to do) |
| 16:57.14 | S4nD3r | What to do ? |
| 16:57.29 | xoz | S4nD3r: backup and get a new hd |
| 16:57.44 | S4nD3r | really ? |
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| 16:58.23 | nicolah | h3sp4wn, I don't care about performance, I need to do just some stupid operations. do you know which one is the more easy to install ? |
| 16:58.27 | xoz | S4nD3r: apt-cache search smart. choose a diagnostic package. run it. and check how many errors you get with that drive. |
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| 16:59.03 | xoz | S4nD3r: the more errors, the less is its lifespan |
| 16:59.11 | h3sp4wn | nicolah: freenx isn't in debian (so you would have to find some unofficial packages somewhere) you can using Xming with stuff already in debian |
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| 16:59.33 | nicolah | I'll choose Xming |
| 16:59.33 | en1gma | are there kernel-sources for 2.6.18-4-k7? |
| 16:59.40 | en1gma | nvidia installer wants em |
| 17:00.03 | en1gma | i did a search with apt-cache and it didnt list em |
| 17:00.15 | sepski | en1gma, search for linux-headers |
| 17:00.19 | nicolah | h3sp4wn, do you think that nx windows client/linux server would easy the process ? |
| 17:00.21 | en1gma | k 1 sec |
| 17:00.28 | Alam_Debian | what would be a good font to use in a terminal that look good even when the font size is turn down? |
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| 17:01.12 | h3sp4wn | nicolah: If you can find well made freenx packages it would be reasonably easy - hard to know about quality with unofficial repositories though |
| 17:01.13 | S4nD3r | I dont know which diagnostic package to install |
| 17:01.18 | liable | yes, its obvious he has been using linux since 98 |
| 17:01.25 | en1gma | spski it says it depends on kbuild-2.6.18 and thats not avail when i try to install the linux-headers |
| 17:01.55 | en1gma | i didnt say exclusively |
| 17:01.57 | tomdick | chops: thanks for looking. i'll see about that |
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| 17:02.20 | sepski | en1gma, are you sure it dont say linux-kbuild-2.6.18 ? |
| 17:02.22 | xoz | Alam_Debian: what do you mean? |
| 17:02.31 | en1gma | sepski yes thats it |
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| 17:02.35 | en1gma | its not avail |
| 17:02.37 | sepski | so install it ? |
| 17:02.38 | en1gma | so it wont install |
| 17:02.41 | h3sp4wn | en1gma: 2.6.18 is not in sid anymore |
| 17:02.52 | en1gma | well i need it |
| 17:02.55 | gordboy | en1gma, nice to see you back. whose patience are you trying now ? |
| 17:02.57 | en1gma | how do i get it |
| 17:02.57 | amphi | en1gma: you're running sid? |
| 17:03.02 | en1gma | yep |
| 17:03.13 | Vasistha | !bless en1gma |
| 17:03.13 | dpkg | O $DEITY, we beseech you to bless your child en1gma, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 17:03.14 | amphi | !penixsmite en1gma |
| 17:03.16 | Begasus | take care all ... |
| 17:03.16 | Begasus | cya tomorrow ;) |
| 17:03.24 | amphi | damn |
| 17:03.31 | jnguy | anyone? |
| 17:03.49 | sepski | en1gma, if you run sid you know better then me, i only use testing since using sid require both knowledge and reading skills. |
| 17:04.01 | gordboy | ouch |
| 17:04.13 | en1gma | so if i run sid it uses linux-kbuild-2.6.20 and therefore (which would break my vcard driver if i installed it right?) so i use 2.6.18-4-k7 which i cant get linux-kbuild-2.6.18 |
| 17:04.26 | en1gma | cause its not in sid |
| 17:04.26 | wrs | After upgrading Sarge--Etch, my cdrecord/wodim refuses to cooperate with my burner (Philips CDD-522). Output, Input, boot params on the case: http://paste.debian.net/27751 |
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| 17:04.37 | wrs | Any ideas? |
| 17:04.57 | en1gma | fawk it i just gonna run 2.6.20-1-k7 and try to install the driver anyhow |
| 17:04.59 | en1gma | brb |
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| 17:05.06 | liable | who deleted penixstrike! |
| 17:05.28 | endr[a] | w00t, my brother just found a p2 400mhz, server time! |
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| 17:05.37 | amphi | liable: I mistyped it |
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| 17:06.01 | liable | amphi: no you didnt |
| 17:06.08 | amphi | liable: it appears to be alive and well |
| 17:06.12 | S4nD3r | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:06.19 | h3sp4wn | its penixstrike not smite |
| 17:06.21 | S4nD3r | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:06.26 | amphi | liable: yes I did, I had 'smite' |
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| 17:06.46 | amphi | !penixstrike liable |
| 17:06.46 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking liable to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 17:07.17 | amphi | wrs: why are you using ide-scsi? |
| 17:07.20 | klim_ | hi, is there a way to kill or remove zombie process? |
| 17:07.46 | Vasistha | klim_: how do you identify a "zombie process"? |
| 17:07.57 | wrs | amphi: uhm, because I am used to use it. It's there since Woody, iirc. |
| 17:07.58 | klim_ | top: |
| 17:08.01 | klim_ | or ps |
| 17:08.02 | endr[a] | hey |
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| 17:08.11 | endr[a] | can I install debian over the network somehow? |
| 17:08.14 | nicolah | h3sp4wn, unfortunately xming can't run on windows 2000, it starts from windows 2003 ... |
| 17:08.16 | klim_ | Z - for zombie |
| 17:08.17 | nicolah | thanks anyway |
| 17:08.19 | amphi | wrs: try without it |
| 17:08.41 | S4nD3r | xoz Are you sure that I must buy a new HD ? |
| 17:09.02 | Vasistha | klim_: check out htop, it can kill things. You also might be able to select such processes with a ps parameter, pipe the process numbers to xargs+kill |
| 17:09.19 | wrs | amphi: iirc I did so, few hours ago, but since then I wasn't in irc, I do so for you, now and life, :-) |
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| 17:09.28 | amphi | wrs: ide_cd is probably what you should be using; ide-scsi is deprecated since sarge IIRC, at least with a 2.6 kernel |
| 17:09.47 | h3sp4wn | nicolah: That is the only free one (other than cygwin that you don't really want if you can help it) |
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| 17:12.06 | S4nD3r | Are you there xoz |
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| 17:12.31 | wrs | amphi: I try that ide_cd next. ... You're sure, it's ide_cd not ide-cd? (Just to make sure) |
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| 17:12.59 | jenn1 | Begasus, didn't worked. XServer didn't start... :( |
| 17:13.01 | amphi | wrs: the module is called ide_cd |
| 17:13.26 | amphi | wrs: it'll probably be loaded automatically - don't worry about the kernel cmd line IMHO |
| 17:13.33 | wrs | amphi: thanks for the confirmation |
| 17:14.03 | wrs | amphi: if it were loaded automatically, then why wasn' |
| 17:14.21 | wrs | t it in place when I needed it? |
| 17:14.24 | amphi | wrs: because your ide-scsi got in the way, I would think |
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| 17:14.53 | amphi | wrs: if it doesn't load automatically, you can always modprobe it |
| 17:14.54 | VolkerH | hi |
| 17:15.17 | h3sp4wn | nicolah: And the only debian repositories of freenx are for sid |
| 17:15.32 | xeihin | can some one help me with openvz? |
| 17:15.33 | wrs | amphi: okay, currently the only boot param active is "dma". Hence, the ide-scsi shouldn't be in the way ... or is there any other location I should have a look at for the ide-scsi? modconf? |
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| 17:15.58 | h3sp4wn | nicolah: You could try the nomachines version http://www.nomachine.com/download.php |
| 17:16.11 | amphi | wrs: I'd get rid of 'dma' too - see what the kernel does off its own bat ;) |
| 17:16.12 | jenn1 | I think nvidia will only work, if my graphic card would be older then 10 years... |
| 17:16.18 | VolkerH | does kde support dualscreen with nvidia cards? |
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| 17:16.35 | xitron | back |
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| 17:16.57 | nicolah | the linux server and the windows client ? |
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| 17:17.21 | h3sp4wn | nicolah: Its commercial but it looks like there is a free version for non commercial use |
| 17:17.28 | nicolah | yes there is |
| 17:17.46 | nicolah | I already installed the windows client, and I'll force the 32bit package to my 64 bit distributions |
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| 17:17.58 | en1gma | well the 100.14.03 trys to build at least....but i get an error saying it cant build |
| 17:18.20 | wrs | amphi: so let me see first, what happens if I only replace the ide-scsi by an ide_cd ... slow machine, boot lasts a while... |
| 17:18.24 | h3sp4wn | nicolah: I wouldn't force it |
| 17:18.30 | en1gma | i have a pastebin file of the nvidia-installer.log if anyone wants to look at it http://pastebin.ca/483264 |
| 17:18.39 | xitron | mhh I just installed Acx100 sucsefully and kwifimanager doesn't see my card iwconfig also not.... any idea? |
| 17:18.49 | nicolah | h3sp4wn, it's the only way, since I'm using the 64 bit version. |
| 17:18.51 | nicolah | I'll try |
| 17:18.57 | nicolah | it worked a lot of times |
| 17:19.00 | en1gma | im in the #nvidia channel now as this might have moved to that area |
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| 17:19.44 | S4nD3r | heloooowwww |
| 17:19.45 | xitron | S4nD3r, yes? |
| 17:19.57 | h3sp4wn | nicolah: I have only ever used freenx (not the commercial one) |
| 17:19.57 | xitron | S4nD3r, yes? |
| 17:20.00 | S4nD3r | xitron: tell me, |
| 17:20.01 | gordboy | xitron, is there firmware needed ? is the module loaded ? |
| 17:20.10 | S4nD3r | I will need to buy a new hard disc ? |
| 17:20.18 | h3sp4wn | nicolah: (but with the commercial nx client) |
| 17:20.20 | xitron | gordboy, no firmware, I think module is loaded how do I check |
| 17:20.35 | gordboy | xitron, lsmod | grep modname |
| 17:20.41 | xitron | S4nD3r, sorry don't folow it, I was going to dinner |
| 17:21.13 | nicolah | so I can install the freenx server to ubuntu, right ? |
| 17:21.13 | nicolah | and use the windows client |
| 17:21.13 | S4nD3r | May 11 11:52:37 localhost kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev hda, sector 118741024 |
| 17:21.17 | S4nD3r | May 11 11:52:38 localhost kernel: hda: dma_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error } |
| 17:21.24 | S4nD3r | May 11 11:52:38 localhost kernel: hda: dma_intr: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=118741035, high=7, low=1300523, sector=118741032 |
| 17:21.25 | xitron | gordboy, firmware_class 9600 2 acx,pcmcia, firware. |
| 17:21.40 | amphi | S4nD3r: your hd is not long for this world |
| 17:21.45 | h3sp4wn | nicolah: ask someone who uses ubuntu - this is #debian - try to find freenx packages for ubuntu |
| 17:21.51 | S4nD3r | is not long ? |
| 17:22.03 | xitron | gordboy, what now? |
| 17:22.03 | S4nD3r | It means that it will fail soon ? |
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| 17:22.11 | amphi | S4nD3r: it's pinig for the fjords |
| 17:22.14 | amphi | *pining |
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| 17:22.20 | en1gma | S4nD3r i get those errors every start up |
| 17:22.44 | en1gma | i have raid though so thats not uncommon |
| 17:22.44 | amphi | S4nD3r: I would say it's falling now |
| 17:22.44 | S4nD3r | No. Only in this startup |
| 17:22.44 | gordboy | xitron, not sure. seek medical advice if the symtoms persist :) |
| 17:22.44 | amphi | *failing dammit |
| 17:22.46 | S4nD3r | I need to restart to check it ? |
| 17:22.53 | xitron | gordboy, ok will search on google tnx for help |
| 17:22.56 | en1gma | i get those errors for all 4 my sata drives in a raid0 |
| 17:23.04 | en1gma | sda sdb sdc sdd |
| 17:23.15 | Supaplex | S4nD3r: UncorrectableError is bad. :) |
| 17:23.16 | en1gma | and also for hda because it really is failing |
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| 17:23.28 | amphi | S4nD3r: run smartctl on it - such messages can mean the drive has run out of realloc blocks |
| 17:23.30 | gordboy | 4 satas in a raid0. cool |
| 17:23.31 | S4nD3r | hummmm.... |
| 17:23.49 | jnguy | is xbase-clients still necessary for X11? |
| 17:23.55 | en1gma | gordboy it jammed with kanotix (200MBs) |
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| 17:24.04 | en1gma | im only getting 70 with debian sid |
| 17:24.19 | S4nD3r | THis smartctl is installed by download? |
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| 17:24.27 | S4nD3r | not in apt, right |
| 17:24.37 | amphi | S4nD3r: smartmontools |
| 17:24.42 | Supaplex | !installit |
| 17:24.43 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
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| 17:26.09 | jzxu | does dri affect window redrawing in fluxbox? |
| 17:26.38 | gordboy | en1gma, i'm curious. is it dmraid, lvm or hardware raid ? promise sata or via ? motherboard or add-in card ? sata2 or sata1 ? |
| 17:26.45 | en1gma | dmraid |
| 17:26.46 | wintix_ | jzxu: ask #fluxbox but personally hadn't ever problems with that. |
| 17:26.51 | en1gma | its easy to setup now |
| 17:27.10 | jzxu | wintix_: right, sorry |
| 17:27.12 | en1gma | you just do dmraid -ay then make a mnt point and mount what shows in /dev/mapper |
| 17:27.20 | en1gma | the partition that has a (1) in it |
| 17:28.43 | S4nD3r | Error: AMNF 128 sectors at LBA = 0x03ae4336 = 61752118 |
| 17:28.44 | nvz | it took me this long to finally realize I can multi-task a whole lot better if I figure out a way to prevent new windows from poping up in front or stealing focus of what I am working on. |
| 17:28.50 | S4nD3r | some errors about AMNF |
| 17:29.00 | S4nD3r | Error: UNC 128 sectors at LBA = 0x03a02836 = 60827702 |
| 17:29.30 | nvz | would be nice to say, if using gimp on another workspace opening like 10 photos I can switch back to another and still have those windows sent to that workspace as they are created. |
| 17:29.31 | Vasistha | nvz: I find that kwin is great for that |
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| 17:29.45 | amphi | nvz: what windows 'pop up'? |
| 17:29.52 | nvz | that I am not sure I can do without hacking, but as for placement and focus I can handle |
| 17:30.02 | S4nD3r | ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE |
| 17:30.07 | S4nD3r | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:30.31 | nvz | amphi: yeah happens most frequently when asking gimp-remote to open a bunch of images.. the gimp splash, toolbar windows, loading image windows, and the images themselves after they load |
| 17:30.41 | nvz | amphi: i have to stop whatever I am doing while all that is happening |
| 17:30.56 | amphi | nvz: aye, I see what you mean - that has irked me too |
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| 17:32.20 | endr[a] | hey |
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| 17:32.35 | endr[a] | what do you guys generally use for filesystem on /boot ? |
| 17:32.41 | endr[a] | ext2/3 reisier, etc? |
| 17:32.53 | wintix_ | ext3 will do just fine. |
| 17:32.55 | Vasistha | ext2 |
| 17:32.57 | nvz | amphi: well for gimp anyhow I think I am gonna match gimp image windows and tell them to stack on top of each other.. cause another common operation I do is cropping and cropping 10 or more photos all cascaded in windows.. they overlap the crop setting box that comes up which I need to keep an eye on the size and ratio as I am cropping so having them all stacked on top of each other to the right would be ideal |
| 17:32.59 | cahoot | endr[a]: no point having a journal on /boot |
| 17:33.05 | nicolah | h3sp4wn, I found the repository, sadly those .deb aren't suitable to 64 bit system |
| 17:33.17 | nvz | amphi: its ridculous how little of my window managers features I use to my advantage |
| 17:33.18 | endr[a] | is 40 megs ok? |
| 17:33.58 | wintix | endr[a]: depends on how much kernels you are goint to have installed and if you are using xen or such with really big kernels. |
| 17:34.09 | moth_ | cahoot: making everything journaled winds up being simpler, operationally |
| 17:34.14 | h3sp4wn | nicolah: I think its 32 bit only at the moment unfortunately |
| 17:34.20 | endr[a] | just default debian stable |
| 17:34.22 | wintix | endr[a]: i didn't have problems with 50mb until i started fiddling with xen |
| 17:34.29 | endr[a] | okay thank you |
| 17:34.38 | endr[a] | .. it wont let me resize it anyways |
| 17:34.41 | nicolah | 64 bit linux and old windows os aren't suppoted yet/anymore |
| 17:35.08 | cahoot | moth_: why? ext2 seems to be the perfect one |
| 17:35.13 | h3sp4wn | nicolah: I suppose you could run a 32bit under user mode linux if you did alot of reading |
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| 17:35.55 | nvz | actually even in cases like that where loading multiple windows takes time I'd not mind waiting to create and place them until its finished.. but that would require change of the programs themself not the wm |
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| 17:36.00 | nicolah | h3sp4wn, fortunately the computer where I'll need this feature will run a 32bit version of my os |
| 17:36.08 | nicolah | I was just making some tests |
| 17:36.15 | nicolah | I really thank you for your help |
| 17:36.42 | moth_ | cahoot: well, depends on the size of the thing and what else you have going on, but personally I prefer fsync to eat into my console time as little as I can get away with. Also, if you're building a lot of kernels, having a journal on /boot just seems prudent |
| 17:37.22 | Vasistha | is it possible to set up apt-get to look within a user's home directory, in order to find an alternate sources.list, so the user can download sources and/or packages from different repos that I don't want in my /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 17:37.29 | nvz | I guess I never really realized the bottleneck in productivity that something as simple as window placement and focus models could cause. |
| 17:37.53 | endr[a] | Vasistha: wouldnt he have to be root for that anyways? |
| 17:38.06 | nvz | but its a serious issue in many cases.. how an action you request is carried out on your screen in a graphical environment is really a big deal |
| 17:38.07 | Vasistha | endr[a]: normal users can apt-get source |
| 17:38.23 | endr[a] | they can install a program ? |
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| 17:38.53 | Vasistha | endr[a]: nope, but that's not what I'm trying to do. I'm thinking a chroot jail is the way to go :| |
| 17:39.12 | nvz | the ability to have some control over this stuff is one of the unspoken reasons I was driven away from windows(r) but I never realized it |
| 17:39.19 | nentis | Does tar|tar preserve hardlinks? I'm trying to copy a 109G backuppc repository to a USB drive. |
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| 17:40.04 | Vasistha | endr[a]: I just want to be able to download a few packages from lenny, and install them manually with dpkg -- they are completely self-sufficient, without any dependencies, forward or reverse -- so it's completely save, from the perspective of apt system integrity, to install them. But I don't really want to deal with apt pinning, et al. |
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| 17:40.29 | Vasistha | nentis: better read up on man tar; I'm pretty sure it can be configured to do so, but it may not do so by default |
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| 17:41.25 | endr[a] | ah. okay. |
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| 17:44.22 | Vasistha | so I guess I just need to figure out how les chroot jails work |
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| 17:44.27 | nvz | this is why I use imagemagick scripts whenever possible :( however cropping the area of interest from a group of photos properly requires interaction of human elemants |
| 17:45.03 | nvz | I'm half tempted to make a special program just for this purpose.. the ideal batch cropper |
| 17:45.17 | en1gma | i want to use testing so i can get a kernel above 2.6.20-1-k7. im using sid right now do i just change it to testing |
| 17:45.21 | en1gma | or is sid testing |
| 17:45.33 | bts3685|work | en1gma: sid is always testing |
| 17:45.39 | bts3685|work | (from what i understand) |
| 17:45.47 | en1gma | where are all the kernels above 2.6.20-1 then |
| 17:45.55 | en1gma | hell there are like 15 |
| 17:46.04 | nvz | bts3685|work: sit is always unstable |
| 17:46.08 | wintix | nvz: many people could use such a program :) |
| 17:46.11 | regulate_ | testing is lenny atm |
| 17:46.11 | wrs | amphi: On the wodim issue.. I tried all the boot params "hdc=ide-scsi dma", "ide_cd dma", "ide_cd", "hdc=ide_cd". Still the burn doesn't happen and /var/log/messages continues to show the prementioned msgs. Further ideas? What about the IRQ timeout? |
| 17:46.22 | nvz | and there should not be a case where testing has something that unstable does not |
| 17:46.25 | en1gma | i thought sid was testing |
| 17:46.34 | nvz | en1gma: lenny is currently testing |
| 17:46.37 | wintix | en1gma: /msg dpkg sid |
| 17:46.38 | nvz | en1gma: sid is always unstable |
| 17:46.48 | en1gma | sid = unstable and lenny = testing |
| 17:46.49 | en1gma | ok |
| 17:47.03 | en1gma | im going to change sid to lenny in repositories then |
| 17:47.06 | en1gma | hope that works |
| 17:47.07 | en1gma | brb |
| 17:47.08 | gpm | no |
| 17:47.08 | amphi | wrs: I didn't suggest you used any boot params |
| 17:47.09 | wintix | nvz: out of curiosity, what windowmanager are you using? |
| 17:47.09 | nvz | en1gma: we just call them testing/unstable as far as version goes in /etc/debian_version because they have no real version number only code names |
| 17:47.13 | gpm | you can't downgrade i think |
| 17:47.18 | nvz | wintix: sawfish, I wouldnt use anything else |
| 17:47.27 | en1gma | yea the code names are strange |
| 17:47.42 | en1gma | it should be called final/beta and alpha really |
| 17:47.55 | wrs | amphi: I think that's less important. The important part is which modules are active, isn't it? |
| 17:47.55 | nvz | wintix: I fell in love with sawfish and its parenthesis loving interpreter a long long time ago |
| 17:47.56 | gpm | sid is the only one that is absolutely synonymous with a moving target (unstable) |
| 17:48.05 | Vasistha | en1gma: the names are all toy story characters. We really enjoy them. |
| 17:48.08 | stew | gpm: testing changes daily as well |
| 17:48.09 | gpm | yeah |
| 17:48.10 | gpm | haha |
| 17:48.13 | gpm | stew: i know |
| 17:48.14 | en1gma | ahhh ok |
| 17:48.15 | wintix | nvz: hmm. i was always using fluxbox. since i use beryl i'm stuck with xfce4 and those crappy desktop icons. |
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| 17:48.28 | en1gma | so the very latest avail is always sid? |
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| 17:48.30 | gpm | stew: but if you say lenny, eventually (in a long time) you'll be referring to "oldstable" |
| 17:48.34 | en1gma | like for bleeding edge |
| 17:48.35 | gpm | in actuality |
| 17:48.36 | jnguy | doing an apt-get dist-upgrade results in X11 not working... I'm using i810 as the X driver... anyone hear of similar problems? |
| 17:48.45 | gpm | en1gma: yeah, but it's also the most likely to cause you trouble |
| 17:48.48 | gniretar_work | does anyone have any experience writing scripts that use debconf? I cant get my preinst script runnin right |
| 17:48.54 | gpm | en1gma: apt-get install apt-listbugs |
| 17:48.57 | en1gma | well why dont sid have the newest kernels |
| 17:49.02 | gpm | en1gma: it does |
| 17:49.04 | en1gma | 2.6.20-1 is pretty old |
| 17:49.07 | gpm | oh |
| 17:49.08 | gpm | well |
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| 17:49.13 | gpm | you could always build your own |
| 17:49.23 | en1gma | i was using 2.6.20-10 like 2 weeks ago with kanotix |
| 17:49.30 | en1gma | maybe thats what i need to do |
| 17:49.35 | gpm | use kanotix? |
| 17:49.39 | wintix | nvz: thanks for the point to sawfish. google thinks it's compatible with beryl. i might actually have a look at it. :) |
| 17:49.40 | en1gma | i have |
| 17:49.50 | en1gma | kanotix is what made me come to debian |
| 17:49.58 | en1gma | wanted a real hd install |
| 17:50.01 | nvz | wintix: well sawfish does it for me in 3 basic ways, its highly configurable, its language it was written in makes changing settings and them taking effect happen seemlessly instantanious.. and the design of sawfish-ui which gives you a very easy way to interact with instant effects with the window managers key features.. my favorites being the context-based bindings that until recently no wm even came close to, and the matched window support w |
| 17:50.02 | Vasistha | gniretar_work: just ask your question... pastebin your script and tell us what's wrong. I don't have any experience with debconf, but that doesn't mean, e.g., I couldn't catch a bash error |
| 17:50.02 | stew | en1gma: you were using 2.6.20.10, not 2.6.20-10 |
| 17:50.06 | amphi | !lart kanotix |
| 17:50.26 | gniretar_work | Vasistha: OK, paste on its way |
| 17:50.27 | en1gma | stew isnt 2.6.20.10 newer then 2.6.20-10 |
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| 17:50.33 | en1gma | omg |
| 17:50.36 | en1gma | its the same thing |
| 17:50.37 | en1gma | :) |
| 17:50.42 | wintix | nvz: to, and the matched window support w[cut] |
| 17:50.47 | gpm | no |
| 17:50.56 | nvz | wintix: eh? |
| 17:51.06 | wintix | nvz: seems like it was cut off? |
| 17:51.25 | en1gma | where is 2.6.20.10 for debian sid |
| 17:51.25 | nvz | wintix: ah.. I said I still havent seen it elsewhere |
| 17:51.25 | gpm | not packaged yet, i think |
| 17:51.32 | gpm | they're still at 2.6.20 |
| 17:51.34 | gpm | right? |
| 17:51.40 | valdyn | gpm: no |
| 17:51.44 | wintix | nvz: thanks for your input :) |
| 17:51.47 | nvz | wintix: there are many ancient sawfish-ui wishlist bugs asking for better features in the matched window configuration |
| 17:52.01 | en1gma | well i running 2.6.20-1 right now |
| 17:52.02 | valdyn | gpm: read the changelog |
| 17:52.08 | VolkerH | !dvb |
| 17:52.08 | dpkg | from memory, dvb is DigitalVideoBroadcast.MPEG2 Streams are sent to TV and decoded digitally.See http://www.linuxtv.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVB for more infos |
| 17:52.17 | en1gma | i would like the next kernel cause it fixes the nvidia bug |
| 17:52.32 | gpm | valdyn: oh, 2.6.20.7? |
| 17:52.43 | valdyn | gpm: dont ask me, its in the changelog |
| 17:52.53 | gpm | valdyn: i'm reading, i want to make sure i understand it right |
| 17:52.58 | nvz | wintix: like it has a "grab" function in the bindings, as well as for window info.. you can "grab" the window handle, command that created it..etc but you can;t just "Grab" its current position and state you have to enter those manually.. would be nice to just set the window up the way you want and "grab" all those settings into the sawfish-ui |
| 17:53.12 | gpm | i'm pretty sure i do |
| 17:53.16 | stew | en1gma: well 2.6.20-10 doesn't exist. i dont' know what version 2.6.20-1 is exactly it could be 2.6.20.10 |
| 17:53.29 | stew | en1gma: and the 2.6.20-1 in sid is only a few days old iirc |
| 17:53.29 | en1gma | it might be |
| 17:53.36 | endr[a] | hey |
| 17:53.38 | gniretar_work | OK, this preinst script does NOT echo wassup but it doesnt display the decired note either: http://paste.debian.net/27754 The template file is here: http://paste.debian.net/27755 |
| 17:53.44 | en1gma | 1 sec let me mount my raid and ill look to see what it is 1 sec |
| 17:53.53 | endr[a] | is there an official online sources.list for etch? |
| 17:53.58 | gpm | maybe a week old |
| 17:53.59 | stew | actually 2.6.20-3 was uploaded 2 weeks ago |
| 17:54.00 | endr[a] | like.. aptitude update sources.list or something |
| 17:54.01 | nvz | wintix: but now other window managers like openbox are offering context-based bindings.. but you still have to edit an xml file, and restart the window manager.. sawfish you just make a change in sawfish-ui and its already applied |
| 17:54.05 | valdyn | endr[a]: no |
| 17:54.36 | valdyn | endr[a]: every official mirror is equal, there's no primary source that you can access |
| 17:54.39 | wintix | nvz: that might actually be quite usefull. |
| 17:54.43 | wintix | useful* |
| 17:54.47 | nvz | wintix: most window managers today the keybindings still have no context which I couldnt imagine living without now that I know how it works |
| 17:55.18 | endr[a] | can I see someones sources.list ? |
| 17:55.21 | gpm | haha |
| 17:55.26 | gpm | that's what i thought he wanted |
| 17:55.51 | en1gma | vmlinuz-2.6.20-10-kanotix |
| 17:55.52 | Nemoder | endr[a]: cat /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 17:55.56 | nvz | wintix: the context based bindings depend on the location of the mouse pointer.. if its on the root window, a normal window, a title bar, the close button, the window boarder..etc I can bind the same keystrokes to different commands based on the context |
| 17:55.57 | gpm | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main [non-free] |
| 17:55.58 | en1gma | thats what is in the /boot |
| 17:56.01 | gpm | or that |
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| 17:56.16 | endr[a] | yea but I want to see someone elses sources.list |
| 17:56.22 | gpm | why? |
| 17:56.28 | gpm | what's in yours? |
| 17:56.33 | endr[a] | I have the official sources.list straight from a new debian, and mine is different than that lol |
| 17:56.34 | concept10 | en1gma, youve been in here for hours working on kanotix? |
| 17:56.39 | wintix | nvz: :) |
| 17:56.43 | valdyn | !lol |
| 17:56.43 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 17:56.45 | nvz | wintix: plus some wms dont even really support all the key combinations that could arise between a keyboard and mouse.. like window maker where the mouse bindings are really really basic |
| 17:56.58 | en1gma | concept10 nothing out of the ordinary |
| 17:57.06 | concept10 | heh |
| 17:57.06 | gpm | endr[a]: ok, so change it to the official one, apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 17:57.14 | en1gma | :) |
| 17:57.18 | gpm | valdyn: who cares? |
| 17:57.21 | nentis | what about rofl? ;) |
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| 17:57.29 | endr[a] | why dist-upgrade? |
| 17:57.32 | wintix | nvz: can it distinguish over which application the mouse pointer is? e.g. firefox or thunderbird. |
| 17:57.39 | endr[a] | .. and why apt-get :P |
| 17:57.42 | concept10 | en1gma, this channel is for debian support only. no based-on-debian |
| 17:57.44 | nvz | wintix: like I said openbox is catching up in the area of bindings which is great.. but it will never match sawfish cause sawfish is based on a lisp.. and it can update dynamically.. and it has a ui for configuration which is pretty slick, even though its outdated |
| 17:57.52 | en1gma | in one of the irc channels i used to goto i got the privlage of being the user who had typed the most text in one month |
| 17:57.54 | en1gma | :) |
| 17:57.59 | gpm | endr[a]: because it will update everything, even if that means substituting one package for another...which happens sometimes. |
| 17:58.06 | sheldonh | hi. i'm downloading the 4.0 netinst and was hoping someone could confirm that ipw2200 driver is included? |
| 17:58.07 | gpm | endr[a]: you can also just upgrade |
| 17:58.12 | gpm | endr[a]: which is "safer" i guess |
| 17:58.17 | nvz | wintix: na, but it could be implemented by speaking directly to the rep interpreter no doubt. |
| 17:58.25 | valdyn | sheldonh: no |
| 17:58.29 | stew | sheldonh: it is, but the non-free firmware needed to use it is not |
| 17:58.38 | sheldonh | dang |
| 17:58.39 | valdyn | sheldonh: not in the sense that its functional, the driver is probably there |
| 17:58.40 | concept10 | en1gma, i can believe it. You seem to have an affinity for asking questions and not reading docs |
| 17:58.45 | mstrobert | Is there an equivalent Debian tool to the Fedora setarch? (setarch tells the kernel to report a different architecture and runs a program in that environment.) |
| 17:58.48 | valdyn | sheldonh: but its useless w/o firmware |
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| 17:58.56 | endr[a] | okay, thanks. Why would I want deb-src ? |
| 17:58.56 | sheldonh | valdyn: so i'll need to put the firmare on a usb drive? |
| 17:58.58 | nvz | wintix: I have a command Ctrl+Alt+Button1-Release1 that when in the context of a window kills the client.. heh .. my version of the 3 finger salute |
| 17:59.04 | gpm | endr[a]: if you want source code |
| 17:59.11 | endr[a] | no other reason? |
| 17:59.12 | valdyn | sheldonh: something like that i guess |
| 17:59.20 | sheldonh | yikes. here's hoping :) |
| 17:59.35 | wintix | nvz: :D |
| 17:59.37 | nvz | wintix: I've not had to fire up xkill in years. |
| 17:59.38 | gpm | endr[a]: no |
| 18:00.13 | gpm | endr[a]: i don't have one |
| 18:00.14 | valdyn | sheldonh: i'd rather grab the first cd and fix that driver after installing debian, but... whatever you prefer |
| 18:00.14 | Vasistha | hmm. I'm looking for a simple chroot howto ... I'd just like to run an instance of apt-get --download-only within a chroot jail -- which uses a different sources.list |
| 18:00.46 | endr[a] | what parameters do you guys use for your 'deb' line? I have etch main contrib non-free |
| 18:00.51 | sheldonh | valdyn: ah, so it's available as a deb? is the installer flexible enough for me to install the firmware deb before getting going with the bulk of the install? |
| 18:00.57 | gpm | endr[a]: that's what i use |
| 18:01.05 | Vasistha | endr[a]: looks good |
| 18:01.07 | endr[a] | Even for the security.debian.org one? |
| 18:01.09 | valdyn | sheldonh: no, the firmware isnt in a debian package |
| 18:01.12 | gpm | endr[a]: yeah |
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| 18:01.30 | endr[a] | fair enough, thanks. |
| 18:01.42 | Vasistha | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 18:01.55 | sheldonh | valdyn: okay. then does the netinst give me a shell from which to mount auxiliary storage and load kernel modules? |
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| 18:02.02 | valdyn | sheldonh: you can do anything at almost any point while the instaler runs |
| 18:02.09 | sheldonh | great |
| 18:02.24 | valdyn | sheldonh: let it run - alt-f2 gives a shell |
| 18:02.32 | sheldonh | valdyn: thanks |
| 18:02.40 | gpm | Vasistha: couldn't you just chroot in, backup the sources.list, use the other one you want and apt-get? |
| 18:03.05 | Vasistha | gpm: that sounds great. But I've never used chroot, and am not sure how to get it started |
| 18:03.20 | gpm | Vasistha: oooh. well, you probably want a livecd with chroot on it |
| 18:03.23 | gpm | d-i will do iirc |
| 18:03.25 | nvz | wintix: I will say though sawfish leaves a lot to be desired if ony because of the imagination it sparks from its unique approach to managing windows |
| 18:03.37 | gpm | then you mount your root partition |
| 18:03.44 | gpm | and chroot [mountpoint] |
| 18:03.49 | nvz | wintix: if only more people understood the languge it was coded in it would be implementing new features |
| 18:03.58 | gpm | then you're basically inside your system (but you're still on d-i's kernel) |
| 18:03.59 | endr[a] | debian is nice. |
| 18:04.07 | gniretar_work | OK, i already posted this but i'l do it once more. Can anyone help me with this debconf issue: this preinst script does NOT echo wassup but it doesnt display the decired note either: http://paste.debian.net/27754 The template file is here: http://paste.debian.net/27755 |
| 18:04.13 | Vasistha | gpm: would it be possible (or easier) to just do a bind mount of a couple of my system folders? or is that dangerous? |
| 18:04.16 | endr[a] | if debian supported use flags, it'd be much better :P |
| 18:04.23 | endr[a] | other than that, debian is nice. |
| 18:04.26 | gpm | Vasistha: i dunno about that |
| 18:04.41 | gpm | Vasistha: i've had to chroot before though to re-run update-grub and stuff like that |
| 18:04.51 | gpm | Vasistha: it was pretty painless and intuitive |
| 18:04.59 | Vasistha | gpm: I mean, if there was an official debian livecd image... :P |
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| 18:05.36 | gpm | Vasistha: well any installer image can function as a livecd |
| 18:05.40 | gpm | just go over to the shell |
| 18:05.45 | gpm | and you're good to go |
| 18:05.58 | gpm | no shiny X like ubuntu, but hey, you're doing all CLI stuff anyway |
| 18:06.00 | Vasistha | gpm: hmm, I have a net install iso here, I guess that would probably work, eh? |
| 18:06.08 | gpm | Vasistha: couldn't hurt to try |
| 18:06.13 | endr[a] | do you guys recommend etch or lenny for a family computer? |
| 18:06.14 | sheldonh | where can i find out what kernel version 4.0 comes with? i need to check what version of the ipw2200 driver it comes with, so i can download the right firmware version |
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| 18:06.42 | gpm | endr[a]: depends...start with etch...if you feel like you need newer software, upgrade to lenny |
| 18:06.42 | Vasistha | endr[a]: depends who's maintaining it. probably etch, unless an experienced lenny user will be taking care of it. |
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| 18:07.27 | endr[a] | probably not. just k3b, iceweasel, gaim, the usual stuff. its not my pc, but family.. I tell you, ever since I put linux on this (gentoo before, now debian), I've yet to see them break it |
| 18:07.34 | Nemoder | sheldonh: I believe it's 2.6.18 but there are ipw2200 packages in contrib to do that for you |
| 18:07.38 | endr[a] | Before it was virus scans every day, adware, spyware, sheesh. |
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| 18:07.51 | sheldonh | Nemoder: oic |
| 18:08.19 | crm__ | guys.. how do i force a ntfs-3g mount? |
| 18:08.23 | en1gma | does the installer cd let you pick your kernel for x86 or x86_x64 |
| 18:08.24 | gpm | etch is probably fine then |
| 18:08.47 | Nemoder | !ntfs-3g |
| 18:08.47 | dpkg | hmm... ntfs-3g is a new driver for NTFS with write support, see http://packages.debian.org/ntfs-3g for release status. Read the FAQ at http://www.ntfs-3g.org/support.html, also ask me about <ntfs> |
| 18:08.59 | chops | en1gma: If you want x86, use an i386 installer. If you want amd64, use an AMD64 installer. That's my advice. |
| 18:09.06 | en1gma | ahh ok |
| 18:09.07 | gpm | !ntfs |
| 18:09.07 | dpkg | [ntfs] Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. Start reading at http://www.linux-ntfs.org/. For the kernel driver, you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html or ask me about <ntfsrw>, <ntfs-3g> or <captiventfs> ... the latter is obsoletish. |
| 18:09.18 | en1gma | can i use the installer to also select sid |
| 18:09.32 | chops | en1gma: I would strongly recommend that you run testing instead of sid |
| 18:09.35 | gpm | i think you need to pass expert to the boot prompt |
| 18:09.44 | en1gma | well im needing to many things from sid |
| 18:09.53 | en1gma | like my dmraid and geforce 8800 |
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| 18:09.57 | chops | en1gma: What things? Can you wait a couple of weeks? |
| 18:10.09 | en1gma | they both perform way better with the new additions |
| 18:10.18 | chops | en1gma: *shrug* it's up to you |
| 18:10.21 | gpm | weeks are eternities |
| 18:10.25 | gpm | for this guy |
| 18:10.30 | gpm | use apt-listbugs, en1gma |
| 18:10.37 | gpm | apt-get install apt-listbugs |
| 18:10.43 | en1gma | let me try this first...is there an easy howto to build my own kernels from kernel.org |
| 18:10.51 | gpm | en1gma: absolutely |
| 18:10.55 | gpm | there's a debianized way |
| 18:10.58 | gpm | !kernel-package |
| 18:10.58 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
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| 18:11.08 | en1gma | nice |
| 18:11.09 | gpm | you have to know what you're doing though |
| 18:11.11 | nvz | en1gma: install screen, kernel-package, fakeroot, and build essential |
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| 18:11.17 | en1gma | thats prob what i should have done in the first place |
| 18:11.25 | endr[a] | say, how's wireless support on debian? I have a card but I don't know if its been installed correctly or not, any way to check? |
| 18:11.32 | gpm | if you're confident about compiling your own kernel |
| 18:11.33 | gpm | yeah |
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| 18:11.36 | en1gma | copying that info to text file thanx...damn that text file is getting big |
| 18:11.49 | en1gma | i used to compile kernels all the time in slackware |
| 18:11.52 | valdyn | en1gma: run iwconfig |
| 18:11.57 | en1gma | edited the .config file too |
| 18:12.05 | valdyn | endr[a]: run iwconfig |
| 18:12.22 | gpm | en1gma: you know about menuconfig, right? |
| 18:12.22 | nvz | en1gma: open up a screen window with something along the lines of (as non-root) make-kpkg --config=menuconfig --roorcmd=fakeroot buildpackage, and then open up other screens with dmesg | less and lspci to use as a reference on what options to choose in menuconfig |
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| 18:12.48 | nvz | en1gma: once you exit menuconfig it will go to work compiling and building you debian packages for source, headers, image, and docs |
| 18:12.55 | chops | en1gma: Use --rootcmd, not -roorcmd :-) |
| 18:13.03 | nvz | hah |
| 18:13.05 | nvz | typos |
| 18:13.12 | endr[a] | what package is iwconfig located in again? wireless-tools? |
| 18:13.15 | chops | nvz: Typos are nasty |
| 18:13.17 | Nemoder | make xconfig is soo much friendlier |
| 18:13.18 | en1gma | i thought libcurses was libcurses6 not 5 |
| 18:13.37 | nvz | Nemoder: bah.. requires extra dev packages, and doesnt run in screen |
| 18:13.46 | gpm | en1gma: menuconfig? |
| 18:13.50 | gpm | it should run in screen |
| 18:13.54 | Nemoder | nvz: I didn't say better, just friendlier :P |
| 18:13.58 | nvz | Nemoder: when configuring in make-kpkg i want to assure my configure will not end accidentally |
| 18:14.00 | en1gma | yea i used to use menuconfig |
| 18:14.01 | en1gma | :) |
| 18:14.06 | gpm | i don't trust myself to edit .config |
| 18:14.17 | Vasistha | gpm: well, here's what I've done so far. mkdir /root/apt-jail /root/apt-jail/bin; mount --bind /bin /root/apt-jail/bin; chroot /root/apt-jail ... but I get chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory |
| 18:14.21 | gpm | these days i just use the debian kernels though |
| 18:14.41 | Vasistha | maybe that's just an indication that the bind mount is not suitable |
| 18:14.45 | valdyn | Vasistha: chroot needs your login shell |
| 18:14.46 | gpm | Vasistha: that's because your shell is bash and there's no bash in your chroot |
| 18:15.01 | gpm | Vasistha: you need to have a shell to run in the chroot environment |
| 18:15.02 | nvz | I find that swamping through the tree of options in menuconfig is best for me.. insures if I check all categories that I am through.. and the help sections saves unneeded references to kernel docs in most cases |
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| 18:15.15 | gpm | Vasistha: in your case, you need bash |
| 18:15.21 | Vasistha | that's why I did the bind-mount to the jail /bin directory? |
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| 18:15.43 | Vasistha | bash: ERROR: cannot open `bash' (No such file or directory) |
| 18:15.56 | Vasistha | hum, that was interesting |
| 18:16.06 | gpm | Vasistha: you see the bash when you run ls /root/apt-jail/bin/bash? |
| 18:16.21 | Vasistha | gpm: yeah. |
| 18:16.35 | h3sp4wn | Vasistha: you need the libs that it requires |
| 18:16.38 | nvz | i take great care in fine tuning my configuration and keep as much reference material on hand to help me decide as possible.. which is why I use screen when compiling, and keep my dmesg log open to address any errors in there with the new config |
| 18:16.50 | gpm | Vasistha: weird...i don't know then...that shouldn't happen |
| 18:16.56 | Vasistha | h3sp4wn: ahha! alright, so I'll do the same with /lib I suppose |
| 18:16.56 | xoz | Vasistha: bash uses libraries in /lib |
| 18:17.06 | gpm | xoz: but it says it can't find /bin/bash |
| 18:17.09 | gpm | not a library error |
| 18:17.12 | gpm | that's just weird |
| 18:17.21 | nvz | Nemoder: I only used xconfig once to see if I was missing naything.. and I determined I wasnt |
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| 18:17.47 | Nemoder | nvz: I just find it easier to work with, and I've never had it die on me |
| 18:17.52 | Vasistha | teehee ... "I have no name!@scooter:/# " |
| 18:18.23 | nvz | Nemoder: I'm not worried about it dying.. a buggy display driver or anything could crash the whole X server |
| 18:18.24 | gpm | Vasistha: may the force be with you...i have to go to starbuck's like now. good luck. |
| 18:18.24 | Vasistha | maybe that's because I forgot /etc/passwd ! |
| 18:18.28 | Vasistha | gpm: thanks!! have a great day |
| 18:18.40 | nvz | Nemoder: hell I accidentally click quit in the sawfish menu at least once a month |
| 18:18.43 | gpm | Vasistha: you should mount the whole / if you can |
| 18:18.48 | gpm | i don't know what you're trying to do though |
| 18:18.49 | Nemoder | nvz: 0.o |
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| 18:18.57 | gpm | if you mount the whole / you'll probably have less problems |
| 18:18.58 | Vasistha | gpm: well, the point is to have a different /etc |
| 18:19.01 | gpm | oh |
| 18:19.02 | gpm | i see |
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| 18:19.13 | Vasistha | but I'll piece it together. thanks. |
| 18:19.17 | gpm | so mount everything but etc and mount the different etc |
| 18:19.22 | gpm | do all that before chrooting |
| 18:19.31 | nvz | Nemoder: x sessions can end sometimes unexpectedly, and its clients die with it |
| 18:20.03 | Nemoder | nvz: I haven't had X crash on me for years.. |
| 18:20.15 | nvz | Nemoder: even if you ran in screen, your compile would proceed if the xconfig died with and incomplete config |
| 18:21.03 | Nemoder | nvz: oh I often compile in screen or in a console but I like to genereate the .config from the xconfig ui |
| 18:21.11 | sheldonh | valdyn: i think your cd1 idea is probably gonna be best -- netinst doesn't come with module-assistant and some other goodies i'd need to get going |
| 18:21.21 | pickcoder | Does anyone know why ghostpcl doesn't exist in the repos? |
| 18:22.01 | valdyn | sheldonh: you dont need m-a, ipw22000 should be part of the standard kernel |
| 18:22.17 | sheldonh | valdyn: hmmm, good point |
| 18:22.22 | valdyn | sheldonh: cd1 is better though anyway |
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| 18:23.23 | wwallace | !factoids |
| 18:23.23 | dpkg | My factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ They are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. there is a searchable database of my factoids at http://dpkg.vireo.org/ |
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| 18:26.45 | ryx | Does anyone know a workaround to get the Super-key to work in xfce (on lenny)? |
| 18:26.53 | en1gma | when i go to build this kernel is there any options for widescreens...i mean is that where widescreen support will be added someday? |
| 18:27.02 | en1gma | and DVI |
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| 18:28.08 | ryx | en1gma: on my system, DVI worked out of the box with lenny (which can't be said about windows btw...) |
| 18:28.32 | en1gma | well when im not in X i cant see my monitors screen unless i do the vga=791 |
| 18:28.34 | sheldonh | valdyn: hmmm... surely cd1 _also_ won't come with the firmware? |
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| 18:31.46 | Alarm | hello, how can i detect my webcam on debian ? i pluged it in but i dont see any action on the leds of my cam |
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| 18:33.24 | valdyn | sheldonh: that firmware is nowhere in debian |
| 18:33.54 | valdyn | !ipw2200 |
| 18:33.54 | dpkg | from memory, ipw2200 is a driver for Intel wireless cards. It's built into kernels >= 2.6.15 and only compiles on a 2.6 kernel. If you need to build, you'll need module-assistant, build-essential and kernel-headers-$(uname -r) packages, and contrib sources (ask me about <contrib>). To install: m-a prepare && m-a a-i ieee80211 ipw2200. Ask me about <ipw2200 firmware>. Project page: http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net |
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| 18:34.11 | valdyn | !ipw2200 firmware |
| 18:34.11 | dpkg | it has been said that ipw2200 firmware is If your kernel is < 2.6.15, make sure you have the ipw2200 module installed. Run "/sbin/modinfo ipw2200" to get your driver version. Go to http://ipw2200.sf.net/firmware.php and download firmware that matches your driver version. Put the firmware into /lib/firmware. You will need to have udev or hotplug installed to load the firmware. |
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| 18:34.54 | solars | shouldn't aptitude install postgresql-8.1 create a dir /etc/postgresql/8.1/ containing all the config files? |
| 18:35.19 | chops | solars: dpkg -L postgresql-8.1 | grep etc |
| 18:35.35 | haxality | hello, I installed firestarter with aptitude and I can't remove it. |
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| 18:36.10 | haxality | I get an error when aptitude tries to stop the firewall. |
| 18:36.21 | haxality | it simply says 'an unknown error occured' |
| 18:36.44 | solars | chops, hm ok its not listed in there, how can I find out which packages creates the config there? |
| 18:37.35 | chops | solars: postgresql-common, maybe? |
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| 18:38.57 | solars | chops, thats already installed, but no config |
| 18:39.17 | chops | solars: Hm |
| 18:39.34 | chops | solars: This may sound like a silly question, but are you sure postgresql has config files in /etc? |
| 18:39.46 | chops | solars: sudo find /etc -iname '*postgre*' |
| 18:39.59 | lwilke | dpkg -S /etc/postgresql/8.1 |
| 18:39.59 | dpkg | There is no record of a /etc/postgresql/8.1 package |
| 18:40.20 | solars | chops, yes |
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| 18:40.49 | S4nD3r | which is the command to discover my HD size? |
| 18:40.50 | solars | chops, I have the files on another machine, but don't see any differences in installed packages, I thought that was contained in the postgresql-8.1 package |
| 18:40.51 | chops | solars: All I can tell you is to dpkg -L the server package and/or the common package, and see what's in there |
| 18:41.07 | chops | solars: You can say dpkg -S /etc/postgresql-8.1/whatever on the other machine then |
| 18:41.32 | purplepenguins | fdisk /dev/hd* will tell you how much space a disk has |
| 18:41.41 | purplepenguins | you need to know which disk it is |
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| 18:41.55 | purplepenguins | if it is SATA it will be given as /dev/sd* |
| 18:42.11 | solars | chops, hm that results in "not found", weird |
| 18:42.18 | valdyn | solars: the package is more likely postgresql-common |
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| 18:42.23 | tomdick | how can i assign different ip addresses to the same ethernet adapter? will i have to include the gateway etc, if the address is on the same network? |
| 18:42.38 | chops | solars: Perhaps they came from somewhere other than the Debian package (someone's by-hand installation, for example) |
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| 18:42.53 | chris77 | Hi everybody. |
| 18:42.55 | solars | chops, hm no I installed it by packages |
| 18:43.00 | solars | valdyn, its not in there.. |
| 18:43.01 | S4nD3r | which is the command to discover my HD size? |
| 18:43.03 | chops | solars: If you dpkg -L the Debian packages, you'll see all you need to run the server; if there are config files they'll be there. The Debian package does presumably work, after all :-) |
| 18:43.07 | chops | S4nD3r: df -h |
| 18:43.11 | purplepenguins | I think you have to spoof two MAC addresses tomdick, not sure though |
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| 18:43.25 | chris77 | How do I specify the root device for a kernel+initrd image generated with mkvmlinuz? |
| 18:43.28 | purplepenguins | this is one adapter? |
| 18:43.34 | solars | chops, yeah, sure, but I'm wondering where those config files come from then, I don't remember generating anything |
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| 18:43.53 | tomdick | chops: would it be easier to accomplish what i'm trying to do with apache if i used a different ip address instead of NameVirtualHost? |
| 18:43.58 | tomdick | purplepenguins: yes |
| 18:44.07 | S4nD3r | chops: I will need to sum all partitions |
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| 18:44.20 | valdyn | tomdick: if both are on the same network then linux cant just like that use both interfaces for outgoing traffic |
| 18:44.23 | chops | tomdick: NameVirtualHost should certainly work; I'd recommend using that. That said, I won't promise that it'll be easier that way. |
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| 18:44.41 | lwilke | S4nD3r: fdisk -l /dev/... |
| 18:44.44 | chops | valdyn: He can use aliases though |
| 18:44.48 | chops | S4nD3r: bc? :-) |
| 18:45.05 | gpm | lol |
| 18:45.21 | gpm | i've only used bc once |
| 18:45.22 | S4nD3r | great lwilke |
| 18:45.29 | tomdick | valdyn: so if i'm on a /29 i can't just use two addresses that are in that same subnet? |
| 18:45.35 | valdyn | tomdick: so it would be pointlesstp set a gw |
| 18:45.39 | purplepenguins | I shouldn't have switched to debian without backing up some config files first... :X |
| 18:45.49 | valdyn | tomdick: sure you can |
| 18:45.54 | didas | hello. Does anybody have any good discussion board to use for posting Linux/Debian - Skype problems? I posted on the relevant Skype forum but I did not get any feedback. |
| 18:46.13 | chops | purplepenguins: You shouldn't have "switched" to Debian, it sounds like... you should have installed it on a new partition. |
| 18:46.19 | valdyn | tomdick: but routing will only use the first entry fitting, not the 2nd |
| 18:46.34 | purplepenguins | I wanted it on my main comp |
| 18:46.44 | purplepenguins | which ran gentoo |
| 18:46.59 | purplepenguins | installing debian was easy but getting it the way I want is hard |
| 18:47.00 | haxality | ok, how do I force aptitude to remove a package even if it can't run all the deinstallation scripts? |
| 18:47.18 | valdyn | haxality: you fix or delete the scripts |
| 18:47.30 | purplepenguins | I forgot to back up my xorg.conf so I have to go edit it by hand trying to remember all the little options |
| 18:47.35 | haxality | ok. the problem is that one of the scripts is trying to stop firestarter, but it's not started |
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| 18:47.47 | Vasistha | it's occurring to me that I could seriously hose my system here ... mount --bind is not a good way to go about creating a chroot environment |
| 18:47.49 | valdyn | haxality: so start it |
| 18:47.58 | didas | you know any good discussion board about Linux/Debian - Skype problems? |
| 18:48.11 | valdyn | Vasistha: why not? |
| 18:48.13 | gpm | i don't think so |
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| 18:48.22 | xoz | haxality: start firestarter |
| 18:48.29 | haxality | valdyn: it doesn't matter if it's started, if I do for instance 'etc/init.d/firestarter stop' it fails |
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| 18:48.35 | valdyn | Vasistha: you can probably even ro that bind, i didnt try that |
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| 18:48.55 | valdyn | haxality: so remove that broken script |
| 18:48.59 | haxality | ok |
| 18:49.06 | haxality | what's the flag for aptitude to be verbose |
| 18:49.07 | haxality | -v? |
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| 18:49.14 | Vasistha | valdyn: well, what I'd like to do is create an environment where I can download a few lenny packages, without having to deal with pinning and a larger packages db on my main system ... I'll try the ro mount, although I don't think it works... we'll see |
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| 18:49.19 | xoz | haxality: look into /var/lib/dpkg/info/ ... package.postinst or package.preinst or package.postrm or package.prerm |
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| 18:49.46 | xoz | haxality: one of those scripts contain firestarter |
| 18:49.56 | tomdick | valdyn: let me back up a bit: i want to have apache listen on two addresses, as well as multiple ports on each address. is there likely to be a problem if i added a second ip and subnet mask entry for eth0? |
| 18:49.59 | didas | any idea why when I use Skype on debian my voice is heard slower than normal and broken? |
| 18:50.03 | xoz | haxality: uncomment the line |
| 18:50.18 | roxy_ | hi, this: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Binary-Package-Building-HOWTO/ is from 2005. Is it still relevant or is there better source of info as a first tutorial on building debian package ? |
| 18:50.23 | valdyn | tomdick: nope,. its all fine |
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| 18:51.06 | valdyn | tomdick: just adding the same gateay twice on the same subnet is pointless |
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| 18:51.36 | tomdick | valdyn: if i drop offline, i blame you. :P |
| 18:51.46 | stickybit` | !hibernate |
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| 18:51.50 | Vasistha | valdyn: so it occurred to me that if I was to accidentally apt-get install something, forgetting to pass the --download-only option or whatever it is, that it could do some serious damage overwriting stuff in /usr |
| 18:51.57 | didas | any idea why when I use Skype on debian my voice is heard slower than normal and broken? I hear the other side perfectly well. |
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| 18:52.01 | valdyn | Vasistha: aye |
| 18:52.07 | stickybit` | Vasistha: |
| 18:52.24 | gpm | shitty microphone? |
| 18:52.42 | stickybit` | Vasistha: how to hibernate system? |
| 18:52.45 | Vasistha | so I guess the next best alternative is to find a nice live CD that includes apt-get or aptitude ... I wonder if Timo's rescue cd does |
| 18:52.54 | gpm | Vasistha: toldya |
| 18:52.58 | didas | gpm: no I have checked this. I record and play back my voice all right |
| 18:53.04 | Vasistha | gpm: yes, you did :) |
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| 18:53.08 | valdyn | Vasistha: there's deboostrap for setting up a minimal debian system |
| 18:53.10 | haxality | ahhh thanks xoz :) |
| 18:53.22 | gpm | Vasistha: yeah, the debian livecd will do |
| 18:53.24 | gpm | er |
| 18:53.25 | valdyn | !debootstrap |
| 18:53.25 | dpkg | from memory, debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
| 18:53.25 | gpm | install cd |
| 18:53.26 | gpm | lol |
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| 18:53.51 | gpm | or the netboot kernel and associated stuff |
| 18:53.53 | gpm | right? |
| 18:54.23 | S4nD3r | Which software I need to record MP3 in CDs ?? |
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| 18:55.01 | Vasistha | S4nD3r: you have mp3's and you want to make an old-fashioned audio cd out of them? |
| 18:55.30 | S4nD3r | I have many mp3, I like to record a CD to listen in my car |
| 18:55.31 | chops | S4nD3r: I used mpg123+cdrecord myself |
| 18:55.32 | S4nD3r | !! |
| 18:55.32 | dpkg | No sóc el teu puto indicador de csh |
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| 18:55.49 | mith | is there something weird i have to do now that debian's using udev to create /dev/md1 before calling mdadm --create /dev/md1 <other options>; because it just keeps saying 'mdadm: error while opening /dev/md1: no such device' |
| 18:56.07 | gpm | S4nD3r: yeah, decode them, i would use lame, and then burn the wavs using wodim or cdrecord or whatever |
| 18:56.09 | xeihin | guys can you help me with openvz on debian? I can't start apache because privvmpages its saying failcnt=2 in /proc/user_beacounters ... look http://rafb.net/p/ctE8bh21.html |
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| 18:56.54 | Vasistha | S4nD3r: although if your car cd player supports mp3, that might be a better way to go |
| 18:57.04 | gpm | less wasteful |
| 18:57.15 | gpm | nobody can hear the difference after 256 anyway |
| 18:57.16 | Vasistha | S4nD3r: but to create an audio cd ... you know, k3b can probably do that natively |
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| 18:57.28 | gpm | or that gnome one |
| 18:57.33 | S4nD3r | I will try it |
| 18:57.40 | gpm | what's the gnome one that does that? |
| 18:57.41 | Vasistha | gpm: well, and the files are already in mp3 format; it's not like the audio quality is going to *improve* when he converts to wav :D |
| 18:57.43 | gpm | starts with an S |
| 18:57.50 | crm__ | errwwweh |
| 18:57.54 | crm__ | gnome |
| 18:57.59 | xeihin | some one here use openvz? |
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| 18:58.05 | gpm | Vasistha: you get some back when you convert mp3 to wav, don't you? |
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| 18:58.22 | gpm | not as much as the original wav |
| 18:58.36 | h3sp4wn | You don't get any back its impossible |
| 18:58.45 | gpm | serpentine! |
| 18:58.50 | gpm | that's the one |
| 18:58.51 | Novell | is there a 3rd party non-broken apache2 package where Order and Action works ? |
| 18:58.51 | gpm | really!? |
| 18:58.52 | Vasistha | gpm: where are you expecting that audio quality to come from? Why should it be any different converting mp3 -> wav than converting with your car cd player? |
| 18:58.55 | mith | gpm: no you don't get anything back |
| 18:59.01 | gpm | whoa |
| 18:59.03 | gpm | i'm dumb |
| 18:59.04 | gpm | oh well |
| 18:59.07 | mith | gpm: you can't create new data out of nothing you know |
| 18:59.08 | mith | :P |
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| 18:59.11 | gpm | well yeah |
| 18:59.18 | Vasistha | especially intelligently! |
| 18:59.38 | mith | but seriously, how am I supposed to create a raid device on an already running etch system? |
| 18:59.43 | gpm | but i thought some of the compression mp3 does is lossless...not all of it, but i thought some of it was, so that you get something back uncompressing it |
| 18:59.51 | sepski | man mdadm |
| 18:59.51 | mith | nope |
| 18:59.55 | schme | gpm: flac is lossless. |
| 18:59.58 | gpm | silly me |
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| 19:00.02 | gpm | schme: yeah, i'm aware |
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| 19:00.12 | gpm | unfortunately i have an ipod and i can't get linux on it |
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| 19:00.23 | mith | sepski: is there something weird i have to do now that debian's using udev to create /dev/md1 before calling mdadm --create /dev/md1 <other options>; because it just keeps saying 'mdadm: error while opening /dev/md1: no such device' |
| 19:00.24 | gpm | i haven't tried that other firmware |
| 19:00.27 | gpm | rockbox or whatever |
| 19:00.28 | Vasistha | gpm: whatever you get -- you get it back no matter how you uncompress it -- whether that be on-the-fly with an mp3 player, or in your mp3->wav conversion program |
| 19:00.29 | mith | sepski: I know how to use mdadm |
| 19:00.53 | gpm | what a helper |
| 19:01.07 | slav0nic | can anybody help: i try generate utf8 locales do locale-gen, but in say ru_RU.UTF-8...memory exhausted, exist another way for do this? |
| 19:01.19 | nvz | however since you didnt actually capture the original audio, you sampled it, you cant ever get it all back |
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| 19:02.01 | sepski | mith, i dont know. have never done that on a udeb system |
| 19:02.03 | gpm | so once i compress a wav into an mp3, i can only get back as much quality as is in that mp3, right? |
| 19:02.06 | war | mith: having some serious issues eh? |
| 19:02.11 | war | mith: its simple |
| 19:02.15 | war | mith: you use mdadm and --scan --examine |
| 19:02.20 | war | mith: that creates your mdadm.conf |
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| 19:02.26 | war | mith: then debian creates it upon boot (the array) for you |
| 19:02.49 | mith | war: um, I'm still trying to create it initially, all I have right now are two partitions set to type fd |
| 19:03.06 | gpm | i was always really suspicious of easytag, but now i see that it's awesome |
| 19:03.13 | mith | war: do I need to define it in mdadm.conf before creating it? I thought it was the other way around (and this device isn't needed for booting anyways) |
| 19:03.18 | h3sp4wn | gpm: basically yes (unless you get into remastering) |
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| 19:03.37 | roxy_ | I got a how to that says a .deb should contains: debian-binary, control.tar.gz and data.tar.gz. However, when I look into a .deb with mc I don't see that(it has /CONTENT, /DEBIAN, INFO and INSTALL.) |
| 19:03.38 | nvz | stoffellw: I dont think the system comes with a method.. you have to install it.. eg apt-get install hibernate |
| 19:03.42 | gpm | h3sp4wn: that sucks. now i really hate mp3 |
| 19:03.47 | gpm | time to move to flac |
| 19:03.48 | gpm | for realz |
| 19:03.49 | war | mith: you create it |
| 19:03.50 | Y0da^ | anyone know how to install gnome-rdp on 4.0? |
| 19:03.52 | war | mith: then make the mdadm.conf |
| 19:03.57 | war | mith: I make mdadm raids all the time ;P |
| 19:04.02 | nvz | stoffellw: the process for hibernation is different than shutting down.. state has to be saved to ram or hd |
| 19:04.04 | Y0da^ | I've looked everywhere |
| 19:04.05 | gpm | if i conver an mp3 to flac, i don't lose anymore quality since it's lossless right? |
| 19:04.24 | nvz | bah |
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| 19:04.37 | mith | war: i'm getting an error from: mdadm --create /dev/md1 --level=1 --raid-devices=2 --spare-devices=0 /dev/sda4 /dev/sdb4; "mdadm: error opening /dev/md1: no such file or directory" |
| 19:04.37 | nvz | stoffellw: sorry. :P |
| 19:04.39 | atealtha | gpm why do you hate mp3 because of that? this goes for anything lossy |
| 19:04.40 | h3sp4wn | gpm: You don't lose anymore but there is no reason to not just leave it as mp3 really |
| 19:04.50 | Coweater | gpm: you'll just waste space, don't waste time transcoding things |
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| 19:05.03 | mith | war: that's why I'm wondering if I'm missing some udev fuckery i need to do first |
| 19:05.12 | gpm | ok ok |
| 19:05.13 | mith | because obviously /dev/md1 doesn't exist, I'm bloody trying to create it :P |
| 19:05.16 | crm__ | lol |
| 19:05.17 | gpm | triple attack! |
| 19:06.05 | mith | war: i've built and re-assembled arrays with mdadm many times in the past, and never run across this :( |
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| 19:06.30 | gpm | but flac from now on |
| 19:06.39 | gpm | does flac do tags? |
| 19:06.43 | mith | meh, 192kbit vbr aac is just fine |
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| 19:07.00 | nvz | gpm: it really all depends on what you do with your audio. people who exclusivly listen through headphones with a half decent amplifier of some kind.. the ipod for example has pretty good sound hardware.. wont notice any difference in the quality of encoding |
| 19:07.40 | gpm | no i use speakers at home |
| 19:07.53 | mith | it depends on the headphones/amp or speakers/reciever whether flac is worth it or not |
| 19:08.01 | mith | 98% of the time, it's not |
| 19:08.20 | gpm | you need good hardware to tell the difference, right? |
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| 19:08.27 | nvz | gpm: yeah if you're not spending a fortune on sound equipment and have surround sound and whatnot then its not a big deal |
| 19:08.28 | h3sp4wn | depends on what type of music also |
| 19:08.34 | gpm | ok |
| 19:08.34 | purplepenguins | whee |
| 19:08.35 | mith | h3sp4wn: definitely |
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| 19:08.45 | gpm | then i guess i'll keep saving harddrive space |
| 19:08.50 | mith | so no ideas on that mdadm question? |
| 19:09.02 | sussudio | %mithsmite mith |
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| 19:09.05 | h3sp4wn | techno loses the bass very easily |
| 19:09.12 | nvz | gpm: you can tell the difference in quaity between say a 96kbps sample rate and a 196kbps sample rate.. the latter will be much more crisp and loud |
| 19:09.13 | gpm | mithsmit? |
| 19:09.15 | gpm | e |
| 19:09.23 | sussudio | ah. something killed it. |
| 19:09.27 | gpm | nvz: yeah, i can tell that |
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| 19:09.36 | badgers | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of sussudio) |
| 19:09.40 | sussudio | %mithsmite mith |
| 19:09.43 | gpm | nvz: i stick to at least 192 these days |
| 19:09.50 | sussudio | hrm. |
| 19:09.54 | gpm | it ain't happenin' |
| 19:10.06 | gpm | is this a bot call? who answers to %? |
| 19:10.07 | gpm | %hi |
| 19:10.08 | badgers | hello, gpm |
| 19:10.11 | gpm | oh hi |
| 19:10.12 | nvz | gpm: I think around 128k mp3 is fine for portable audio through headphones.. but if you got a decent amp with sub woofers and whatnot.. you might want it a little higher |
| 19:10.14 | gpm | :) |
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| 19:10.29 | gpm | nvz: yeah, at home i can tell...not with ipod |
| 19:10.30 | sussudio | ah. |
| 19:10.35 | sussudio | %mith mith |
| 19:10.37 | nvz | gpm: that was ravenbird's trigger at one time |
| 19:10.44 | sussudio | ... |
| 19:10.54 | gpm | nvz: @ was for apt, is that right? i can't remember anymore |
| 19:11.00 | gpm | dpkg just got so popular |
| 19:11.00 | mith | sussudio: it used to be !mith or ~mith |
| 19:11.04 | mith | sussudio: not mithsmite |
| 19:11.05 | Y0da^ | anyone use gnome-rdp? |
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| 19:11.08 | nvz | gpm: last i checked apt is ~ and dpkg is ! |
| 19:11.11 | sussudio | there was a mithsmite. |
| 19:11.15 | mith | sussudio: but the bots ignore me, so, I can't test :P |
| 19:11.18 | sussudio | someone's been purging factoids. |
| 19:11.22 | gpm | nvz: there was a bot who answered to @ |
| 19:11.25 | gpm | i remember |
| 19:11.32 | rahul | !penixstrike mith |
| 19:11.32 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking mith to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 19:11.33 | nvz | gpm: yeah that was probably ravenbird |
| 19:11.37 | mith | !mith rahul |
| 19:11.40 | mith | ~mith rahul |
| 19:11.53 | gpm | yeah, dpkg stopped talking to me once |
| 19:12.00 | gpm | it was a dark period |
| 19:12.05 | nvz | @hello |
| 19:12.07 | ravenbird | HI, nvz! |
| 19:12.12 | xoz | dpkg, are you alive? |
| 19:12.16 | nvz | ravenbird: how are you? |
| 19:12.17 | ravenbird | nvz: you know how it is... |
| 19:12.19 | gpm | oh it work |
| 19:12.20 | nvz | yeah |
| 19:12.21 | gpm | ed |
| 19:12.28 | sussudio | dpkg: test |
| 19:12.28 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 19:12.34 | gpm | lol |
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| 19:12.37 | gpm | that's a good one |
| 19:12.37 | purplepenguins | lol |
| 19:12.45 | gpm | ~hi |
| 19:12.47 | apt | hello, gpm |
| 19:12.54 | nvz | the bots all seem to be working |
| 19:13.04 | gpm | apt was the head hauncho before dpkg took over |
| 19:13.06 | gpm | iirc |
| 19:13.27 | nvz | gpm: well apt was originally owned by the creator of blootbot IIRC |
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| 19:13.54 | gpm | whoa |
| 19:13.58 | gpm | story time! |
| 19:14.04 | nvz | gpm: now I think Tim Riker owns it, and Andrew Suffield is the new maintainer for debian |
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| 19:14.15 | gpm | dpkg you mean? |
| 19:14.47 | nvz | na, dondelelcaro runs dpkg, I am talking about apt |
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| 19:14.52 | gpm | so what do you mean when you say Andrew Suffield is the new maintainer for debian? |
| 19:14.59 | nvz | !maint blootbot |
| 19:15.03 | dpkg | blootbot: Neil McGovern <neilm@debian.org> |
| 19:15.10 | nvz | hmm I guess not.. |
| 19:15.18 | gpm | oooooh |
| 19:15.19 | gpm | i get it |
| 19:15.24 | nvz | I think it was asuffield at one point |
| 19:15.29 | gpm | probably |
| 19:15.35 | gpm | i've never needed/used it |
| 19:15.39 | nvz | I think Tim Riker was even maintaining it at some point |
| 19:15.41 | gpm | or looked it up |
| 19:15.49 | nvz | I can imagine nobody wants to maintain it.. |
| 19:16.02 | nvz | the code is like FUBAR and it has no documentation |
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| 19:16.12 | gpm | :( |
| 19:16.15 | nvz | if you arent hacking it, you arent using it is about the state of it |
| 19:16.16 | gpm | but bots are fun |
| 19:16.53 | nvz | cause I got one and I cant get it to work properly.. I'd probably have to spend hours swamping through the code to figure out what the problems are |
| 19:17.05 | Vasistha | hum. So, I've downloaded Timo's rescue CD, and it's got this file, which I'm fairly certain I ought to be able to loopback-mount to get a nice chroot environment. But I'm not sure what "type" of mount it is, and it's not autodetecting :P any ideas? |
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| 19:17.12 | Vasistha | -rw------- 1 root root 82118841 2004-12-30 00:48 /mnt/T/rootfs.cloop.img |
| 19:17.20 | Wisdom07 | hi |
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| 19:17.27 | gpm | Vasistha: why don't you just boot into the CD? |
| 19:17.30 | regulate_ | Vasistha: -t iso9660 |
| 19:17.33 | tomdick | valdyn: do i add the additional static ip to eth0 or to eth0:1 in my interfaces? |
| 19:17.48 | regulate_ | Vasistha: with -o loop |
| 19:17.55 | gpm | regulate_: i think he knows that |
| 19:18.03 | Vasistha | regulate_: no such luck ... wrong fs type |
| 19:18.10 | gpm | it's not a cd image |
| 19:18.19 | gpm | did you run file on it? |
| 19:18.21 | regulate_ | what is it |
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| 19:18.28 | gpm | file rootfs.cloop.img |
| 19:18.31 | wwallace | !kernel |
| 19:18.32 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.21.1, snapshot: 2.6.21-git15, 2.4: 2.4.34.4, prepatch: 2.4.35-pre4, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.21-mm2 |
| 19:18.38 | stew | wwallace: please /msg the bot |
| 19:18.44 | Vasistha | /mnt/T/rootfs.cloop.img: writable, regular file, no read permission |
| 19:18.44 | wwallace | sorry |
| 19:18.46 | purplepenguins | 2.6.21 is stable now? |
| 19:18.50 | gpm | yeah |
| 19:18.57 | purplepenguins | I was running gentoo last week |
| 19:18.58 | Vasistha | hmm, that's not what it did in the shell |
| 19:19.03 | Vasistha | T/rootfs.cloop.img: Bourne shell script text executable |
| 19:19.06 | purplepenguins | and I swear that 2.6.18 was stable |
| 19:20.33 | Vasistha | that's odd |
| 19:20.33 | purplepenguins | so this means that debian is more up-to-date than gentoo |
| 19:20.33 | stew | purplepenguins: what do you mean by stable? |
| 19:20.33 | purplepenguins | it was the default for the stable x86 setting |
| 19:20.33 | stew | purplepenguins: no, that is 2.6.18-4 |
| 19:20.34 | stew | purplepenguins: that above factoid was referring to the fact that it was tagged as stable by kernel.org |
| 19:20.34 | purplepenguins | yeah, 2.6.18-4 |
| 19:20.34 | purplepenguins | oh |
| 19:20.34 | purplepenguins | I thought that mean that it was what etch used |
| 19:20.46 | gpm | 's ok |
| 19:20.52 | Vasistha | oh, well this is interesting ... it starts, modprobe cloop file=$0 && mount -r -t iso9660 /dev/cloop $1 |
| 19:21.09 | Vasistha | so now I just need to figure out what is making the call to this image, what those params should be |
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| 19:21.09 | purplepenguins | lol, uname -a tells me I'm running 2.6.18-4, the same I used in gentoo |
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| 19:21.12 | gpm | Vasistha: i think you need to boot the CD to use it properly |
| 19:21.13 | gpm | seriously |
| 19:21.29 | gpm | i mean, it would save you a lot of trouble |
| 19:21.50 | Vasistha | gpm: probably. hum. yeah. Well ... hum. |
| 19:22.22 | Vasistha | now, I'm starting to think the debootstrap will be easier -- I had thought this would be a simpler approach, but it's turning out not to be :P oh well, it's time to go to lunch, anyway. |
| 19:22.30 | Vasistha | thanks for all the help! |
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| 19:23.01 | roxy_ | is that true: 'prerm' and 'postinst' seem to take care of removing old documentation files and adding a link from doc to share/doc. ? |
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| 19:23.14 | en1gma | sup all |
| 19:23.33 | roxy_ | isn't it dpkg that take care of removing old file ? |
| 19:23.46 | roxy_ | and shouldn't link be done in data.tar.gz ? |
| 19:23.55 | en1gma | im about ready to start making a kernel the debian way and was wondering if i can do this all from an X enviroment |
| 19:24.08 | xoz | roxy_: depends on how it was program... dpkg calls these scripts |
| 19:24.08 | gpm | np |
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| 19:24.34 | en1gma | /ignore joins parts |
| 19:24.52 | roxy_ | xoz: there is a comment saying: # Automatically added by dh_installdocs |
| 19:24.55 | en1gma | /hide joins parts |
| 19:24.59 | roxy_ | what is dh_installdocs ? |
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| 19:25.07 | gpm | en1gma: do you have a space before those commands |
| 19:25.08 | gpm | ? |
| 19:25.15 | gpm | because we can see them, and we shouldn't |
| 19:25.17 | en1gma | no |
| 19:25.20 | en1gma | am i supposed to |
| 19:25.23 | gpm | no |
| 19:25.30 | xoz | roxy_: /usr/share/doc/debian_ |
| 19:25.35 | xoz | roxy_: /usr/share/doc/debian/ |
| 19:25.36 | roxy_ | xoz: I am reading the how to: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Binary-Package-Building-HOWTO/x60.html |
| 19:25.37 | en1gma | yea i seen that come on there and was wondering if you all could see those |
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| 19:25.55 | gpm | en1gma: which irc client? |
| 19:25.59 | en1gma | i dont know what gaim wants |
| 19:26.02 | en1gma | gaim* |
| 19:26.06 | gpm | hah |
| 19:26.10 | drwahl | i am trying to install the ieee80211 and ipw3945, but i am having issues, is there any easy way (walkthrough maybe) to do this? |
| 19:26.11 | gpm | me neither :( |
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| 19:26.17 | en1gma | if i could get those out i would be happy with it |
| 19:26.32 | xand | apt-get install irssi :D |
| 19:26.32 | gpm | en1gma: i prefer xchat or irssi |
| 19:26.39 | gpm | xand: indeed |
| 19:26.40 | en1gma | i might have to switch to konversation but hell this is here and it dont look bad...but the damn parts/joins mess it all up |
| 19:26.56 | gpm | en1gma: google |
| 19:26.56 | xoz | roxy_: yep, postinst and prerm takes care of removing docs |
| 19:27.01 | gpm | worth a try |
| 19:27.02 | purplepenguins | irssi!irssi! |
| 19:27.10 | en1gma | i tried it but first couple results didnt have what i needed |
| 19:27.18 | en1gma | let me see if there is a #gaim |
| 19:27.20 | en1gma | one sec |
| 19:27.24 | gpm | there is |
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| 19:27.32 | purplepenguins | it might be called pidgin soon though :P |
| 19:27.46 | gpm | why's that? i'm not hip to the news |
| 19:27.57 | roxy_ | xoz: thanks. I found man dh_installdocs :-) |
| 19:28.03 | purplepenguins | they switched the name of gaim to pidgin because AOL kept sueing them |
| 19:28.18 | purplepenguins | and they didn't want to bother with near constant litigation |
| 19:28.20 | solemnwarning | AOL owns the name "gaim"? |
| 19:28.33 | en1gma | ok: well onto building a kernel the debian way....there isnt any reason i cant do it in X right |
| 19:28.35 | purplepenguins | no, they said that gaim is too close to AIM |
| 19:28.40 | solemnwarning | ... |
| 19:28.43 | gpm | wow |
| 19:28.48 | purplepenguins | and therefore it violated their trademark |
| 19:28.54 | drwahl | i am trying to install the ieee80211 and ipw3945, but i am having issues, is there any easy way (walkthrough maybe) to do this? |
| 19:29.08 | Coweater | 'apt-cache show' lists a bunch of tags for an app, is there any way to search based on these tags? the man page has no mention of tags |
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| 19:29.17 | purplepenguins | I don't know if they won or not, but the name change avoids all issues of that |
| 19:29.29 | purplepenguins | pidgin for gaim, libpurple for libgaim |
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| 19:29.50 | gpm | you're purple _penguins_ though |
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| 19:32.34 | Elrohir | hello |
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| 19:32.39 | Supaplex | greetings |
| 19:32.43 | Elrohir | how change locale in debian ? in what file ? |
| 19:32.59 | Supaplex | !locale |
| 19:32.59 | dpkg | locale is, like, something to help you using an application you don't understand because it's written in a language you don't know, by making you not understand it in a language you know. <man 7 locale> for real information. |
| 19:33.04 | gpm | Elrohir: i think you should just dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 19:33.12 | gpm | Supaplex: i don't think that's what he wants |
| 19:33.20 | Supaplex | I know |
| 19:33.43 | drwahl | is there any walkthroughs for ieee80211 install? |
| 19:33.44 | gpm | oh |
| 19:33.54 | Elrohir | thx gpm :) |
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| 19:35.24 | gpm | unlucky with the factoid? |
| 19:35.25 | gpm | or just screwing around (fine by me)? |
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| 19:36.39 | mkl1525 | Hi, trying to do a basic kde installation so I install xorg, kdebase xfonts-base and xfonts-75dpi but some users complain about not aliased fonts. In kde control center "use anti-aliasing" is enabled but still the font doesn't seem to be anti-aliased. So any hint how to get a better anti-aliasing? |
| 19:36.39 | Supaplex | just a lame factoid. yeah. |
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| 19:37.16 | perlmonkey | evening |
| 19:37.29 | gpm | !locale is also To change your locale, dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 19:37.29 | dpkg | gpm: okay |
| 19:37.32 | gpm | !locale |
| 19:37.32 | dpkg | from memory, locale is something to help you using an application you don't understand because it's written in a language you don't know, by making you not understand it in a language you know. <man 7 locale> for real information.. To change your locale, dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 19:37.37 | perlmonkey | icemonkey takes ages to start, really slow :( |
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| 19:37.56 | gpm | the weasel's quicker |
| 19:38.04 | perlmonkey | oh that's what i mean |
| 19:38.12 | gpm | it's iceape |
| 19:38.16 | gpm | for the suite |
| 19:38.16 | gpm | i think |
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| 19:38.24 | holymoomoo | test |
| 19:38.26 | perlmonkey | I'm having probs starting apps |
| 19:38.33 | holymoomoo | hey guys |
| 19:38.38 | gpm | hola |
| 19:38.53 | perlmonkey | openoffice 2.0 starts up slow, but then its all weird..looks big, and i cant click on any of the menus, then it white screens me and locks up sys |
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| 19:38.56 | perlmonkey | any ideas |
| 19:39.15 | perlmonkey | could be permission |
| 19:39.18 | holymoomoo | i setup a /skel file for creating new users ... but the default permissions for their /~ dirs is wrong. how do i setup default 660 or something for home dirs so everyones files are private? |
| 19:39.40 | perlmonkey | hello |
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| 19:39.59 | perlmonkey | iceweasel takes 10 mins to start nearly |
| 19:40.09 | gpm | whoa, you waited that long? |
| 19:40.12 | perlmonkey | ya |
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| 19:40.16 | perlmonkey | i have to each time |
| 19:40.21 | gpm | i would've given up after 2 mins. |
| 19:40.22 | gpm | tops |
| 19:40.24 | jair | guys I am having an error configuring a DHCP server |
| 19:40.25 | perlmonkey | hehe |
| 19:41.09 | tkr_ | jair, congratulations! |
| 19:41.09 | gpm | jair: that sucks |
| 19:41.09 | jair | I have three Nicks on this server |
| 19:41.09 | gpm | tkr_: we're jerks |
| 19:41.09 | perlmonkey | im having curry and rice |
| 19:41.09 | Coweater | holymoomoo: run dpkg-reconfigure adduser |
| 19:41.09 | tkr_ | Im a dork. |
| 19:41.09 | perlmonkey | with naan breads |
| 19:41.09 | tkr_ | do I fit? |
| 19:41.10 | gpm | hehe |
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| 19:41.19 | perlmonkey | i dont give a fuk about slow ass iceweasel |
| 19:41.24 | jair | I have a eth0 configured with the ip 10.66.2.10 sm 255.255.255.0 and gw=10.66.2.1 |
| 19:41.24 | perlmonkey | can wait |
| 19:41.36 | gpm | jair: k |
| 19:41.42 | gpm | perlmonkey: wish i had an answer for ya |
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| 19:41.47 | gpm | it's always been that slow? |
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| 19:42.00 | perlmonkey | gpm: thanks, at least you are routing for me, in spirit |
| 19:42.09 | jair | gpm: have you configure a dhcp3-server before? |
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| 19:43.13 | Schuindt | Alguém poderia me dar assistência? |
| 19:43.28 | gpm | jair: no, but we're all still waiting to hear your problem |
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| 19:43.33 | dfa001 | !br |
| 19:43.33 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 19:43.34 | Supaplex | jair: that's still not a description of the problem. are you trying to set it up for the first time? |
| 19:43.46 | jair | Supaplex: yes |
| 19:44.04 | gpm | the suspense is killing me |
| 19:44.04 | Supaplex | jair: the sample configs are pretty generic. |
| 19:44.04 | gpm | _killing_ |
| 19:44.08 | jair | ok I will paste the error and if you guys see the config file you will smak me for been so stupid :( |
| 19:44.21 | jair | Supaplex: I will paste mine and my error |
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| 19:44.42 | mzilikazi | having a problem building an app from source: $ apt-cache policy libtool |
| 19:44.44 | mzilikazi | libtool: |
| 19:44.45 | mzilikazi | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.47 | mzilikazi | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.49 | mzilikazi | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.51 | mzilikazi | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.53 | mzilikazi | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.55 | mzilikazi | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.57 | mzilikazi | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.59 | mzilikazi | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:45.01 | mzilikazi | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:45.03 | mzilikazi | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:45.05 | mzilikazi | glenn@hestviken ~/Downloads/eq-audacious-0.8 |
| 19:45.07 | mzilikazi | $ apt-cache policy autoconf |
| 19:45.08 | perlmonkey | wtf |
| 19:45.09 | mzilikazi | autoconf: |
| 19:45.10 | xand | !ops mzilikazi flood |
| 19:45.10 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: xand complains about: mzilikazi flood |
| 19:45.11 | Catoptromancy | wow the whole compile? |
| 19:45.11 | mzilikazi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:45.13 | mzilikazi | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:45.15 | gpm | why isn't he booted yet? |
| 19:45.15 | mzilikazi | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:45.16 | perlmonkey | never heard of pastebin |
| 19:45.17 | mzilikazi | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:45.19 | mzilikazi | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:45.21 | mzilikazi | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:45.21 | dfa001 | !tell mzilikazi about flood |
| 19:45.23 | mzilikazi | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:45.24 | perlmonkey | jesus christ |
| 19:45.28 | mzilikazi | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:45.28 | mzilikazi | oops |
| 19:45.28 | gpm | xand: thanks |
| 19:45.28 | Alam_Debian | ... |
| 19:45.29 | mzilikazi | yeah why am i not booted yet? |
| 19:45.31 | mzilikazi | it was a misclick! |
| 19:45.35 | gpm | haha |
| 19:45.37 | jair | here is my configuration file gpm Supaplex http://rafb.net/p/9oxzT221.html |
| 19:45.54 | gpm | jair: i was just trying to get you to say what the problem is |
| 19:45.59 | gpm | jair: i really can't help, sorry :( |
| 19:46.03 | gpm | but Supaplex probably can |
| 19:46.08 | RichiH | mzilikazi: please use a paste site |
| 19:46.16 | gpm | RichiH: he already 'splained himself |
| 19:46.21 | gpm | misclick apparently |
| 19:46.31 | gpm | _allegedly_ |
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| 19:46.49 | mzilikazi | gpm: have i ever lied to you before? ;) |
| 19:47.06 | jair | Supaplex: here is the error http://rafb.net/p/zZwiZx93.html |
| 19:47.07 | gpm | mzilikazi: there's a first time for everything |
| 19:47.45 | jair | Supaplex: can I configure this DHCP server with only one network card? |
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| 19:47.49 | mstrobert | Is there an equivalent Debian tool to the Fedora setarch? (setarch tells the kernel to report a different architecture and runs a program in that environment. eg "setarch i386 command") |
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| 19:48.02 | jair | Supaplex: I have thre physical network cards |
| 19:48.03 | tkr_ | jair, of course you can |
| 19:48.08 | mzilikazi | having some probs compiling - not sure if this is a debian prob or a prob w/ the source |
| 19:48.16 | h3sp4wn | mstrobert: linux32 |
| 19:48.24 | jair | tkr_: did you check my configuration? and my error :( http://rafb.net/p/zZwiZx93.html |
| 19:48.25 | mzilikazi | libtool.m4 & ltmain.sh have a version mismatch |
| 19:48.30 | tkr_ | jair, and the cards wont help a lot unless you got an rj45 connected to them ;) |
| 19:48.39 | mzilikazi | http://paste.debian.net/27758 |
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| 19:48.57 | tkr_ | jair, sec |
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| 19:49.15 | tkr_ | jair, is that ISC dhcpd? |
| 19:49.43 | jair | tkr_: http://rafb.net/p/y8GfuP75.html |
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| 19:49.59 | jair | tkr_: this is debian 4.0 with dhcp3-server |
| 19:50.35 | jnguy | !kernel |
| 19:50.37 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.21.1, snapshot: 2.6.21-git15, 2.4: 2.4.34.4, prepatch: 2.4.35-pre4, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.21-mm2 |
| 19:50.53 | tkr_ | jair, subnet 10.66.2.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {ignore bootp; ignore booting; } ? |
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| 19:51.08 | jair | Supaplex: this is the current configuration and the error ---> by the way i think I have the ipv6---ipv4 compatibility or setting and also the ip address of the server eth0 is 10.66.2.10 |
| 19:51.11 | Supaplex | jair: you have to indicate what networks dhcpd will see on your cards, but you don't have to use dhcp on all of them. This goes for multiple networks on the same card (if you bind multiple ips per card), or ips bound on other cards. |
| 19:51.14 | xoz | jair: you have to specify eth0 |
| 19:51.15 | jair | Supaplex: http://rafb.net/p/y8GfuP75.html |
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| 19:51.30 | xoz | jair: in the dhcp.conf |
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| 19:52.02 | jair | xoz: If I knew how to do that I will not be asking in the channel |
| 19:52.12 | Supaplex | jair: there's also /etc/default/ which has interfaces that dhcpd might only use. |
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| 19:52.14 | purplepenguins | hmm |
| 19:52.19 | ekimus | hello, anyone could tell my why this script (http://paste.debian.net/27760) says the ] is missing? |
| 19:52.21 | jair | for some reason the configuration did not ask me to specify that :( |
| 19:52.28 | tkr_ | jair, did you try what I told you? |
| 19:52.33 | xoz | jair: man dhcp.conf |
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| 19:52.38 | jair | tkr_: what did you tell me? |
| 19:52.41 | drwahl | are there any walkthroughs or suggestions for installing ieee80211 on Lenny? |
| 19:52.43 | tkr_ | jair, subnet 10.66.2.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {ignore bootp; ignore booting; } ? |
| 19:53.00 | jair | xoz: do not trust to much on the man pages |
| 19:53.00 | tkr_ | jair, if thats the netmask |
| 19:53.02 | jnguy | anyone have a debian kernel upgrade howto link handy? |
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| 19:53.19 | gpm | ekimus: i think you want that fi before the else |
| 19:53.22 | Supaplex | jair: you can file a documentation bug if there's not one. |
| 19:53.27 | tkr_ | jnguy, apt-get install kernel-iamge-2.x.x? |
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| 19:53.38 | jair | tkr_: it is not a problem because my ip is: 10.66.2.10? |
| 19:53.46 | dfa001 | !tell jnguy about kernel-upgrade |
| 19:53.49 | jnguy | yes |
| 19:53.53 | jnguy | thats what I'm looking for, thanks. |
| 19:53.56 | dfa001 | np |
| 19:53.57 | jair | Supaplex: I think I am missing something on the configuration that is all |
| 19:54.02 | gpm | ekimus: or try if [blah] elseif [blah] fi |
| 19:54.02 | tkr_ | jair, wellthats what the error is about |
| 19:54.05 | gpm | that shouldn't work |
| 19:54.07 | gpm | ekimus: for sure |
| 19:54.10 | MoDaX | tkr_, drwahl: aptitude install linux-image-2.6.18-4-<arch> |
| 19:54.12 | tkr_ | jair, you have to local net |
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| 19:54.20 | gpm | ekimus: or re-read on if-else in bash |
| 19:54.21 | jair | local net??? |
| 19:54.22 | MoDaX | (for etch) |
| 19:54.33 | Supaplex | like 28 says 'subnet decleration' - I'm not reading the man page for you, my dhcp server isn't accessible from here. |
| 19:54.37 | jnguy | dfa001: The link is dead, are there any mirrors? |
| 19:54.43 | tkr_ | jair, what is the local net and mask? 10.66.2.0 255.255.255.0? |
| 19:54.47 | Supaplex | jair: s/like/line/ - from your paste |
| 19:54.51 | mstrobert | h3sp4wn: thanks! |
| 19:54.56 | tkr_ | jair, if so, then add to the top of the config |
| 19:54.58 | tkr_ | jair, subnet 10.66.2.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {ignore bootp; ignore booting; } ? |
| 19:55.29 | dfa001 | jnguy: just saw that, im trying to hunt it down right now |
| 19:55.29 | gpm | ekimus: sorry, it's if [blah] then [blah] elif [blah] then blah fi |
| 19:55.30 | h3sp4wn | drwahl: http://intellinuxwireless.org/?p=mac80211 |
| 19:55.31 | jair | tkr_: in what like you want me to add that line? subnet 10.66.2.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {ignore bootp; ignore booting; } |
| 19:55.31 | gpm | with the appropriate semicolons etc. |
| 19:55.32 | gpm | o/o all |
| 19:55.39 | gpm | i gotta go |
| 19:55.39 | purplepenguins | what's a good terminal font |
| 19:55.39 | tkr_ | jair, dhcpd.conf? :)= |
| 19:55.42 | tkr_ | jair, isnt that what you are talking about? what the heck? :) |
| 19:55.47 | jair | tkr_: but at the end, beggining ? |
| 19:55.47 | tkr_ | Ill go have a ciggie. |
| 19:55.48 | gordboy | purplepenguins, xterm or console ? |
| 19:55.48 | Supaplex | jair: order doesn't matter. just keep it to its own block. |
| 19:55.54 | tkr_ | jair, beginning :) |
| 19:55.56 | purplepenguins | xterm |
| 19:55.58 | perlmonkey | my gimp crashes when I attempt to open a png file thats only 76kb |
| 19:55.58 | Supaplex | eg, don't nest it. |
| 19:55.58 | h3sp4wn | purplepenguins: terminus is nice for xterm |
| 19:56.00 | jair | ok |
| 19:56.03 | jnguy | I know how to upgrade a kernel from source... I just don't know the ins and outs of debian kernel upgrades. |
| 19:56.08 | purplepenguins | I used terminus before but it isn't working |
| 19:56.11 | perlmonkey | my puter is so fuked |
| 19:56.13 | purplepenguins | in debian |
| 19:56.16 | jair | tkr_: and I have to do that just because the ip on my eth0 is different? |
| 19:56.27 | Supaplex | perlmonkey: did you grab a backtrace? |
| 19:56.33 | perlmonkey | i dunno how :( |
| 19:57.11 | scruffy | perlmonkey: run `strace gimp` and watch the console output to see what might be going on with the png. |
| 19:57.11 | Supaplex | perlmonkey: run "gdb gimp" type "set args myfile.png" then "run" when it crashes, type "bt full" |
| 19:57.13 | h3sp4wn | !font guide purplepenguins |
| 19:57.15 | perlmonkey | thanks |
| 19:57.22 | gordboy | purplepenguins, i use lucida console in xterm. xterm has nice anti-aliasing |
| 19:57.34 | perlmonkey | you guys have the knowledge |
| 19:57.40 | tomdick | hello |
| 19:57.51 | scruffy | tomdick: where's harry? |
| 19:57.52 | tomdick | sorry, wrong window |
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| 19:58.04 | gordboy | purplepenguins, but i sometimes use bitsream vera sans mono |
| 19:58.06 | xand | tomdick: yes, we'll have no greetings in this channel! :P |
| 19:58.12 | jair | tkr_: the config have an error it does not like the "}" |
| 19:58.16 | Coweater | jnguy: /msg dpkg compile kernel |
| 19:58.26 | purplepenguins | wait a sec, I found out what I did wrong |
| 19:58.26 | xoz | jair: precisely... it cannot provide subnet to machines not reachable from the same network |
| 19:58.27 | jair | I will paste the error: |
| 19:58.32 | purplepenguins | I installed the wrong package |
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| 19:58.46 | Coweater | jnguy: the other factoids it references should tell you everything you need |
| 19:59.00 | purplepenguins | the one thing I don't like about debian is that it's too easy to install the wrong package sometimes |
| 19:59.10 | jair | xoz: so i can not give addresses to machines on 10.66.23.xxx from my eth0=10.66.2.10? |
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| 19:59.24 | Supaplex | perlmonkey: the backtrace might not be descriptive to you, but it's very helpful in a bug report. /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 19:59.35 | dfa001 | jnguy: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
| 19:59.39 | perlmonkey | im fed up :( |
| 19:59.45 | dfa001 | jnguy: the guide for kernel building in the debian way |
| 19:59.51 | perlmonkey | think I might just install Ubuntu |
| 19:59.55 | tkr_ | jair, did you have it in the beginning also? ;) |
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| 19:59.56 | xoz | jair: nope. it should be within the same network. im not sure. |
| 20:00.08 | jair | tkr_: here is the error: http://rafb.net/p/3JpWA323.html |
| 20:00.14 | perlmonkey | too many things don't work for me |
| 20:00.19 | Supaplex | perlmonkey: what if it crashes in ubuntu? |
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| 20:00.22 | purplepenguins | I prefer to just download kernel source, configure using 'make menuconfig' and make, make modules_install, and copy my bzImage |
| 20:00.24 | h3sp4wn | perlmonkey: That break will break more than it fixes |
| 20:00.38 | perlmonkey | why, people say Ubuntu is more reliable? |
| 20:00.41 | purplepenguins | but that is what I'm used to from my gentoo background |
| 20:00.44 | Supaplex | perlmonkey: there will be other problems in ubuntu you haven't seen yet either. |
| 20:00.51 | perlmonkey | oh |
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| 20:00.54 | h3sp4wn | purplepenguins: why does it get so many updates all the time then |
| 20:00.54 | jair | tkr_: here is the configuration how it looks now: #Here is the configuration for TEC Chicago DHCP ;) |
| 20:00.57 | jair | subnet 10.66.2.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {ignore bootp; ignore booting; } ? |
| 20:01.00 | jair | ddns-update-style none; |
| 20:01.02 | jair | option domain-name-servers 12.127.16.67, 12.127.17.71; |
| 20:01.05 | jair | default-lease-time 86400; |
| 20:01.07 | jair | max-lease-time 604800; |
| 20:01.09 | jair | sorry |
| 20:01.12 | jair | authoritative; |
| 20:01.14 | Coweater | purplepenguins: it's a lot nicer to let make-kpkg build you an easy to install and remove package |
| 20:01.14 | perlmonkey | what about FreeBSD is that better? |
| 20:01.14 | jair | subnet 10.66.23.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { range 10.66.23.2 10.66.23.101; option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0; option broadcast-address 10.66.23.255; option routers 10.66.23.1; |
| 20:01.17 | jair | } |
| 20:01.19 | jair | I am sorry pasted in the wrong place |
| 20:01.24 | tkr_ | jair, dont paste here. but it under the authorative |
| 20:01.33 | jair | ok |
| 20:01.33 | bts3685|work | perlmonkey: bsd is more geared towards servers |
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| 20:01.39 | jair | ok |
| 20:01.44 | Supaplex | perlmonkey: freebsd is more complicated. have fun with ports :) |
| 20:01.46 | jair | tkr_: did you see the file? |
| 20:01.54 | perlmonkey | ok that rules that out |
| 20:01.57 | tkr_ | jair, what file? |
| 20:01.58 | Xsnoopy | hi |
| 20:02.00 | purplepenguins | whee, terminus works now |
| 20:02.00 | perlmonkey | OpenSolaris? |
| 20:02.00 | h3sp4wn | perlmonkey: bsd is fine |
| 20:02.08 | jair | tkr_: http://rafb.net/p/9PgqBk29.html |
| 20:02.11 | Xsnoopy | are there some easier command line text editors availble? |
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| 20:02.26 | purplepenguins | I like hand-configuring kernels though |
| 20:02.35 | h3sp4wn | joe , nano, pico |
| 20:02.43 | Supaplex | Xsnoopy: what have you tried? |
| 20:02.44 | purplepenguins | freebsd is nice, in my experience |
| 20:02.44 | perlmonkey | I've been using Debian for nearly 10 years now so I'm quite sad to be changing to a new distro |
| 20:02.50 | xoz | jair: why yhou have a question mark at the end? |
| 20:03.03 | tkr_ | jair, yes. put it between the authorative and first subnet declaration and try again |
| 20:03.04 | purplepenguins | freebsd has binary and source packages |
| 20:03.26 | tkr_ | jair, and yes. REMOVE the question mark :) |
| 20:03.29 | perlmonkey | but whenever I try anything a bit of our ordinary in Debian I always come up against major obstacles and problems which takes days and often weeks to sort out |
| 20:03.41 | tkr_ | jair, that was just originally my question :) |
| 20:03.57 | purplepenguins | ports is a bit like gentoo's portage and their binary package manager is similar to dpkg I think |
| 20:03.58 | jair | tkr_: ahhh |
| 20:03.58 | jair | ok |
| 20:03.58 | Xsnoopy | supaplex: i tried to edit a text file but it didn't worked, no i'm trying vim ^^ |
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| 20:04.03 | purplepenguins | vim is the best |
| 20:04.13 | scruffy | perlmonkey: fc6/7 is pretty good, but the upgrade path completely sucks. I've had the same debian install since 2001. |
| 20:04.15 | purplepenguins | but it is not easy |
| 20:04.20 | purplepenguins | nano is your bet for easy |
| 20:04.21 | tkr_ | jair, any better? :) |
| 20:04.29 | tkr_ | vim is easy |
| 20:04.34 | perlmonkey | scruffy: i like debian too |
| 20:04.50 | Xsnoopy | how can i save a file with vim? ^^ |
| 20:04.51 | perlmonkey | ive only had to install it like twice |
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| 20:04.52 | thelostbutler | hello folks i have reiserfs auto,exec,user,rw as the options for /home in fstab but when /home ismounted it mounts with these options (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev), would appreciate some help with thi |
| 20:05.08 | purplepenguins | debian, gentoo are the only distros I like |
| 20:05.21 | perlmonkey | does anyone like OpenSolaris |
| 20:05.22 | jair | tkr_: :D whooohoooo! it start without errors at least. http://rafb.net/p/H9EbBR43.html |
| 20:05.25 | tkr_ | Xsnoopy, :wq! |
| 20:05.28 | tkr_ | jair, :) |
| 20:05.37 | jair | tkr_: but i do not understand why I have to do that though |
| 20:05.42 | jair | I will test now |
| 20:05.50 | tkr_ | jair, you have to have a declaration for the local net also |
| 20:05.52 | jair | I will plug a machine on the switch |
| 20:05.58 | Xsnoopy | tkr_: thanks :) |
| 20:05.58 | purplepenguins | ubuntu is like debian's bastard child with lots of glitzy stuff added |
| 20:06.03 | jair | how do i declare it? |
| 20:06.07 | Supaplex | Xsnoopy: :wq I would look for a vim tutorial, it has a learning curve, but I don't live w/o it =) |
| 20:06.11 | tkr_ | jair, you just did :) |
| 20:06.14 | purplepenguins | vim comes with a tutorial |
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| 20:06.20 | h3sp4wn | Xsnoopy: vimtutor (run that) |
| 20:06.33 | perlmonkey | my system is just extremely unstable |
| 20:06.52 | perlmonkey | crashing every 5 mins, apps slow to start up |
| 20:06.57 | h3sp4wn | More likely to be hardware problems |
| 20:07.00 | perlmonkey | many apps no longer functional |
| 20:07.07 | Supaplex | perlmonkey: are you using lenny or sid? |
| 20:07.23 | Supaplex | perlmonkey: try adding a new user, isolate your own profile. |
| 20:07.24 | perlmonkey | gimp starts up but minus the taskbar and no apps can be started up at all |
| 20:07.26 | purplepenguins | I guess I'm running lenny now |
| 20:07.28 | tomdick | perlmonkey: create a new user account, see if the app crashes continue |
| 20:07.33 | perlmonkey | Supaplex: lenny |
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| 20:07.42 | bts3685|work | perlmonkey: use gentoo? (teehee) |
| 20:07.46 | Supaplex | perlmonkey: well, it's not stable. that's by design. |
| 20:07.54 | purplepenguins | I started with etch and I accidentally put testing in my sources.list and I updated/upgraded |
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| 20:08.01 | bts3685|work | NOOOO |
| 20:08.05 | bts3685|work | that'll break it |
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| 20:08.18 | purplepenguins | break it? |
| 20:08.20 | ^rob^ | hello |
| 20:08.27 | perlmonkey | Supaplex: that's a good idea, becuz root is fine.. so I'm guessing it's a dumb permission issue of some sort, all these probs started as soon as i moved my /home folder to nfs mounted partition |
| 20:08.35 | bts3685|work | yeah. running an etch and then adding sid to the repo sourcelist? |
| 20:08.38 | bts3685|work | bad idea |
| 20:08.44 | purplepenguins | no, it's testing not unstable |
| 20:08.45 | nvz | purplepenguins: yeah you need to dist-upgrade asap. you are partially runnning lenny |
| 20:08.46 | bts3685|work | (without at least doing a dist-upgrade) |
| 20:08.49 | bts3685|work | OH |
| 20:08.52 | tkr_ | ok pizza time now. no food at home. and jair, you are welcome. :) |
| 20:08.54 | bts3685|work | sorry. mis-read:) |
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| 20:08.58 | ^rob^ | I ahve a problem - dpkg return segmentation fault |
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| 20:09.00 | Supaplex | perlmonkey: HAHAHA now you tell us. - but yeah, try a new user. :) |
| 20:09.07 | perlmonkey | :-/ sorry |
| 20:09.12 | jair | tkr_: Thank you for helping me with htis |
| 20:09.13 | purplepenguins | well, I'll run dist-upgrade then |
| 20:09.14 | jair | this |
| 20:09.27 | Supaplex | perlmonkey: that's ok. nfs just adds another layer of complexity. |
| 20:09.29 | ^rob^ | but dpkg --help show the help = i think my db is corrupt |
| 20:09.34 | perlmonkey | it sure does |
| 20:09.41 | nvz | bts3685|work: first of all its lenny, sid is unstable.. I told you this earlier.. and a plain upgrade wouldnt upgrade certian things .. dist-upgrade would be more thorough |
| 20:09.41 | ^rob^ | is there any way to fix it? |
| 20:09.43 | purplepenguins | hmm, where is dist-upgrade |
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| 20:10.02 | Supaplex | ^rob^: there are db backups, but what operations cause the issue? |
| 20:10.02 | perlmonkey | Supaplex: my laptop doesnt seem to have any probs, its running superfast! much faster than it did before |
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| 20:10.15 | purplepenguins | wait, nvm, I was being silly |
| 20:10.16 | perlmonkey | its just my workstation is misbehaving |
| 20:10.17 | nvz | bts3685|work: but yes an upgrade from stable to testing would likely break things that may not have broken if you did a full dist-upgrade |
| 20:10.20 | purplepenguins | apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 20:10.25 | ^rob^ | Supaplex: i am pretty shure. |
| 20:10.29 | nvz | purplepenguins: yes |
| 20:10.30 | jair | tkr_: I have a quick question though: |
| 20:10.37 | purplepenguins | it only gives two packages to install |
| 20:10.44 | xoz | jair: i doubt dhcp will work in different network |
| 20:10.48 | purplepenguins | I already upgraded most everything |
| 20:10.58 | jair | xoz: even with what I did? |
| 20:10.59 | Supaplex | ^rob^: cat /etc/issue |
| 20:11.00 | h3sp4wn | I don't think it would make much difference until there is a new libc etc in testing |
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| 20:11.05 | ^rob^ | Supaplex: how do I fix backup? |
| 20:11.13 | jair | xoz: http://rafb.net/p/H9EbBR43.html |
| 20:11.18 | ^rob^ | Debian GNU/Linux lenny/sid \n \l |
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| 20:11.31 | Supaplex | ^rob^: did you check bts? |
| 20:11.36 | bts3685|work | wtf? |
| 20:11.38 | ^rob^ | bts? |
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| 20:11.45 | Supaplex | !btssmite ^rob^ |
| 20:11.48 | bts3685|work | did i check what? |
| 20:11.48 | jnguy | dfa001: a bit late, but I got distracted. Thanks! |
| 20:11.49 | xoz | jair: the routing will be an issue |
| 20:12.04 | dfa001 | jnguy: np |
| 20:12.07 | jair | xoz: routing? |
| 20:12.21 | purplepenguins | but I've never actually run stable anyway |
| 20:12.22 | jair | tkr_: what does that last two lines mean? http://rafb.net/p/AesaUo12.html |
| 20:12.24 | ^rob^ | !btssmite |
| 20:12.31 | purplepenguins | I ran sarge back when it was testing |
| 20:12.33 | mutantpineapple | fail |
| 20:12.34 | jair | xoz: http://rafb.net/p/AesaUo12.html the last two lines means something |
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| 20:12.46 | nvz | purplepenguins: the difference between an upgrade and a dist-upgrade is in the dependency resolution an upgrade wont effect the status of installed packages.. this is often nessicary to change from one dist to another.. would never happen in stable because things arent allowed to change the way they can in testing/unstable |
| 20:12.48 | Supaplex | ^rob^: backups are in /var/backups/ - but I'm unsure what you're doing is the best corse of action. |
| 20:12.58 | Supaplex | course* |
| 20:13.18 | purplepenguins | now that I've run dist-upgrade everything should be fine then right? |
| 20:13.24 | xoz | jair: yeah, routing problem |
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| 20:13.29 | ^rob^ | Supaplex: dpkg -l goes core dump - dpkg --help show the help message |
| 20:13.35 | nvz | purplepenguins: yep |
| 20:13.45 | jair | xoz: so what do you think I should do then? |
| 20:13.47 | ^rob^ | so it's not dpkg guilty - i am pretty shure it's the db. |
| 20:13.51 | nvz | purplepenguins: next you might want to install apt-listbugs since you are no longer running stable |
| 20:13.56 | jair | tkr_: I think i am still having issues |
| 20:14.08 | ^rob^ | i got power failure while apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 20:14.16 | xoz | jair: install dhcp within the same network |
| 20:14.45 | Supaplex | nvz: yea, seems to be a fued today huh? *grumble* |
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| 20:15.16 | purplepenguins | blah, hungry |
| 20:15.29 | nvz | Supaplex: I gave a good lecture on it last night.. the person seemed to be intelligent enough to know there would be a significant difference |
| 20:16.12 | nvz | Supaplex: I just try to explain to people the unspoken prequisites of knowledge and understanding for using testing/unstable. and try to make them think as though they are working for debian as testers and act accordingly |
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| 20:16.19 | Supaplex | nvz: I'm in no rush to use testing. I backported a few widgets, but I'm prepared for the fallout if those break :) |
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| 20:16.49 | purplepenguins | I want to backport pidgin |
| 20:17.06 | nvz | Supaplex: nothing is worse than users who run testing/unstable because they suffer from SNS Syndrome, and then come in here complaining like little cry babies about breakage and demand hand-holding support |
| 20:17.06 | dfa001 | purplepenguins: just build it from source |
| 20:17.10 | Supaplex | wish I knew it sooner :) |
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| 20:17.34 | mutantpineapple | nvz: sns? |
| 20:17.40 | nvz | !sns syndrome |
| 20:17.40 | dpkg | methinks sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shite Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 20:17.48 | mutantpineapple | aha |
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| 20:18.10 | ^rob^ | Supaplex: any method to fix or at least to ck what is the segfault problem? |
| 20:18.22 | nvz | mutantpineapple: the bot has a random in that factiod.. might say Shite, or Software |
| 20:18.48 | mutantpineapple | nvz: subtle ;) |
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| 20:19.07 | purplepenguins | wow, I didn't actually expect it to pass ./configure |
| 20:19.08 | tvynr | I'm trying to get wireless set up between my router (which I'm setting up as an access point via hostap) and a laptop. Both are using Atheros chipset cards and the wireless devices show up fine, but when I try to run wpa_supplicant on the laptop, I get this mess: http://paste.debian.net/27763 |
| 20:19.11 | nvz | mutantpineapple: its the kind of people who want the highest possible version numbers regaurdless of the actual changes or the problems with upgrading |
| 20:19.17 | tvynr | Anyone have a guess as to what I'm doing wrong? |
| 20:19.31 | xoz | jair: just imagine if dhcp server can provide ips accross different networks, you will have dhcp competing. |
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| 20:19.32 | tvynr | wpa_supplicant is claiming that two packets don't have identical data but I'm not sure I understand the problem. |
| 20:19.45 | dfa001 | pruplepenguins: pidgin should build just fine under all current debian releases |
| 20:19.54 | dfa001 | haha i cant type =( |
| 20:20.01 | purplepenguins | I meant, I was suprised I had all the deps |
| 20:20.01 | GNUtoo-laptop | does anyone know how to use LD_DEBUG with uclibc... |
| 20:20.02 | GNUtoo-laptop | ? |
| 20:20.04 | bts3685|work | dfa001: you couldn't tab-complete that? haha |
| 20:20.14 | dfa001 | tab key is broken =P |
| 20:20.16 | mutantpineapple | nvz: well when you put it like that, i could count myself among them. hopefully you differentiate between those who are willing to rtfm and those who aren't? |
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| 20:20.35 | purplepenguins | blah |
| 20:20.41 | purplepenguins | I keep getting kernel messages |
| 20:20.47 | purplepenguins | saying that my CPU is too hot |
| 20:20.51 | bts3685|work | lol, poor dfa001 |
| 20:21.12 | purplepenguins | how does it know that my cpu is too hot? |
| 20:21.17 | Supaplex | ^rob^: I already told you what I know. if you want, use gdb to catch a backtrace. file a bugreport at anyrate. include the backtrace if you have it. I'm not sure if dpkg will produce a reliable one, there might be some scripts burried inbetween or something. |
| 20:21.18 | purplepenguins | it does this about every time I compile |
| 20:21.23 | tvynr | purplepenguins: mbmon, possibly? |
| 20:21.30 | mutantpineapple | purplepenguins: the cpu keeps singing "don't you wish your ram was hot like me" |
| 20:21.39 | Supaplex | purplepenguins: ksensors :) /proc/acpi/ ... |
| 20:21.43 | nvz | mutantpineapple: oh of course.. these sns sufferers don't have a clue.. they don't know what BTS stands for, they don't know how to resolve package system breakage, they've never contacted a developer, maintainer, or wrote a line of code in their life.. and they come in here and hold ordanary users with the will to support software free of cost responsible for thier stupidity |
| 20:21.55 | gpm | purplepenguins: you may want to check your fans and stuff for dust too...i speak from experience |
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| 20:22.11 | dfa001 | and crackers, damn kids |
| 20:22.11 | shadowarts | is there any information on what default user accounts/groups arent really needed, as i would like to clean up my /etc/passwd and /etc/group files |
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| 20:22.19 | nvz | mutantpineapple: that shit might fly in #gentoo.. but it doesnt here :P |
| 20:22.21 | purplepenguins | I know that my CPU runs hot |
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| 20:22.33 | purplepenguins | I just want to get rid of the damn error messages |
| 20:22.38 | gpm | oh |
| 20:22.40 | ^rob^ | Supaplex: how do i figure what's the real problem with dpkg? |
| 20:23.27 | Supaplex | ^rob^: welcome to testing. it broke. you get to keep the extra pieces. |
| 20:23.34 | nvz | ^rob^: examine the connections between the keyboard and chair :P |
| 20:23.53 | Supaplex | we have stable for a reason. |
| 20:23.57 | dfa001 | nvz: PEBKAC? |
| 20:23.59 | nvz | seriously. |
| 20:24.05 | nvz | dfa001: ;) |
| 20:24.14 | ^rob^ | Supaplex: so i am not the only one with this problem? |
| 20:24.24 | mutantpineapple | nvz: hm, i haven't seen much of #gentoo but i seem to remember the most common answer to a problem was a link to the relevant wiki page |
| 20:24.31 | purplepenguins | so how do you disable these damn messages |
| 20:24.43 | Supaplex | ^rob^: HELLO! if you looked at bts, you already know the answer to that. |
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| 20:24.49 | nvz | ^rob^: no lots of people have the problem of running software that is in a testing phase without the experience to handle the inevitable breakage |
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| 20:24.51 | purplepenguins | would killing sysloghelp |
| 20:24.53 | bts3685|work | mutantpineapple: that's because the gentoo wiki is VERY extensive |
| 20:25.07 | purplepenguins | the gentoo wiki is very nice |
| 20:25.12 | mutantpineapple | bts3685|work: it's certainly impressive |
| 20:25.13 | bts3685|work | Supaplex: are you talking about me? becuase i don't HAVE ANY PROBLEMS. |
| 20:25.13 | dfa001 | the debian one is slowing getting better |
| 20:25.19 | Supaplex | purplepenguins: setterm -msglevel 1 "might" make them go away. |
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| 20:25.24 | dfa001 | s/slowing/slowly |
| 20:25.26 | mutantpineapple | i don't use gentoo but i find its wiki invaluable |
| 20:25.29 | Supaplex | !tell bts3685|work -about bts |
| 20:25.31 | ^rob^ | nvz: my problem is dpkg - it worked untill i got a power failure... |
| 20:25.42 | purplepenguins | everytime I compile something it keeps telling me my CPU is too hot |
| 20:25.50 | nvz | ^rob^: during an update or something? |
| 20:25.57 | ^rob^ | nvz: yes |
| 20:26.03 | purplepenguins | and then spams my console with error messages |
| 20:26.15 | ^rob^ | nvz: i was installing nvidia packages. |
| 20:26.18 | nvz | ew, this is why they invented UPS and I don't mean the United Parcel Service |
| 20:26.20 | bts3685|work | dfa001: the debian wiki is definitely growing the fasted i've ever seen a support tool grow... |
| 20:26.23 | purplepenguins | saying kernel: CPU0: temperature above threshold |
| 20:26.25 | tvynr | Has anyone here succeeded in getting WPA2 to work under Debian between wpa_supplicant and hostapd? I'm having rather a lot of difficulty with this encryption step but I'd really like to use WPA2. |
| 20:26.41 | tvynr | I've not managed to find anything useful on Google, sadly. |
| 20:26.45 | Supaplex | ^rob^: how did you install those? |
| 20:26.49 | bzed | purplepenguins: fix your fan then |
| 20:26.55 | eeyore- | bts, what's that? |
| 20:26.55 | ^rob^ | Supaplex: apt-get install ... |
| 20:26.56 | eeyore- | :-) |
| 20:26.56 | purplepenguins | I don't think it's a fan problem |
| 20:27.07 | dfa001 | purplepenguins: use the cpufreq tools to increase the threshold |
| 20:27.10 | purplepenguins | I'm fairly sure it's a problem with my mobo's temp sensors |
| 20:27.15 | mutantpineapple | google never fails |
| 20:27.15 | Supaplex | purplepenguins: did you see my setterm hint? does the bios have the right values? |
| 20:27.20 | mutantpineapple | shun the unbeliever |
| 20:27.24 | eeyore- | tvynr: haven't tried wpa2, sorry |
| 20:27.26 | purplepenguins | I missed most of the hints, sorry |
| 20:27.30 | Supaplex | purplepenguins: what cpu? what board? |
| 20:27.33 | purplepenguins | it was keeping spamming me |
| 20:27.39 | Supaplex | purplepenguins: setterm -msglevel 1 |
| 20:27.50 | purplepenguins | it's a Pentium 4 prescott 3.0 ghz, on an msi board socket 775 |
| 20:28.04 | tvynr | eeyore-: 'kay. Thanks, though. :) At this point, I'm starting to consider an open wireless network that leads to a VPN server and nothing else. |
| 20:28.04 | Supaplex | purplepenguins: oem heatsink? |
| 20:28.07 | nvz | ^rob^: I don't see anywhere you pasted a specific error.. try running apt-get -f install, make sure anything apt was doing is finished and see if that returns any errors |
| 20:28.20 | purplepenguins | it's a thermaltake heatsink/fan |
| 20:28.28 | ^rob^ | Reading package lists... Done |
| 20:28.28 | ^rob^ | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 20:28.28 | ^rob^ | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 20:28.37 | eeyore- | purplepenguins: boot into bios, turn the temp at which fan will come on to something lower (so fan comes on more often), and maybe run "ondemand" acpi cpufreq driver |
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| 20:28.51 | ^rob^ | nvidia is installed - as i can see. |
| 20:28.52 | eeyore- | tvynr: why not happy with wpa-psk? |
| 20:28.56 | ^rob^ | i am using it. |
| 20:29.07 | Supaplex | purplepenguins: well, if it is a sensor issue, I'd ask your vendor. this section of the kernel is well tested. zillions of linux webservers depend on it, on variying hardware. |
| 20:29.21 | nvz | ^rob^: so what happens when you try using dpkg, or apt-get'ing something and it in turn calls up dpkg? use a pastebin |
| 20:29.23 | ^rob^ | dpkg -l nvidia* |
| 20:29.23 | ^rob^ | Segmentation fault |
| 20:29.23 | dpkg | No packages found matching nvidia* |
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| 20:29.34 | eeyore- | purplepenguins: could be you put too much / too little heatsink paste |
| 20:29.37 | purplepenguins | I should have gone athlon 64 |
| 20:29.37 | ^rob^ | seg fault |
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| 20:29.47 | tvynr | eeyore-: From what I read, WPA-PSK is essentially a retune of WEP. It's not exactly as moronic as WEP, but it's not too much of a step up. My understanding is that WPA2 is a significant improvement and I should use it if I can. |
| 20:29.51 | nvz | ^rob^: no, seriously.. use a pastebin :P and thats too vague.. an strace might help |
| 20:29.59 | purplepenguins | I had it put together myself with artic silver |
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| 20:30.12 | eeyore- | tvynr: try again, wpa-psk is not easy to crack ... |
| 20:30.13 | purplepenguins | I might have messed up but I don't think I did |
| 20:30.16 | ^rob^ | i am calling dpkg with any option you want - and goes seg fault |
| 20:30.23 | Supaplex | ^rob^: strace -o stracelog.txt -fF dpkg -l |
| 20:30.24 | ^rob^ | if i call dpkg with --help |
| 20:30.33 | tvynr | eeyore-: That and I'd like to get it working if at all possible just because I want to understand it. |
| 20:30.39 | mnguyen | I'm trying to install a theme on my debian etch system, and it's referring to a compiz themer app... I installed compiz and it's working.... but I can't find the themer at all. Anybody know where I can find the package? |
| 20:30.41 | ^rob^ | it shows the help msg |
| 20:30.42 | nvz | ^rob^: strace -olog.file dpkg --help, then |
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| 20:31.05 | nvz | ^rob^: we're going to need more info about why its catching a SIGSEGV |
| 20:31.07 | tvynr | eeyore-: You use WPA, do you? Any luck finding a nice, simple GUI tool for configuring your access to a WPA-enabled wireless network? |
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| 20:31.31 | ^rob^ | mmap2(NULL, 20840448, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0xb54c7000 |
| 20:31.34 | eeyore- | tvynr: nah, i use /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf file directly (my card sucks anyway, ipw2200) |
| 20:31.35 | nvz | Supaplex: a plain dpkg -l is going to make the strace a lot larger than it needs to be :P |
| 20:31.38 | ^rob^ | goes --- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) --- |
| 20:31.38 | tvynr | eeyore-: I've got a couple friends running Debian that aren't exactly technologically adept. It'd be nice if they had a GUI. :-P |
| 20:31.46 | Supaplex | nvz: I'd hate to introduce obsticles to testing, but maybe a small mandatory configuration question with a list of reasons someone should consider not using testing/unstable would push back the tide. |
| 20:31.51 | ^rob^ | memory problem? |
| 20:32.04 | jnguy | anyone familiar with creating .tar.bz2 with tar? |
| 20:32.06 | Supaplex | ^rob^: memtest86 |
| 20:32.07 | tvynr | eeyore-: 'kay. I'll have to take a look back through the WPA protocol. The error I'm getting from WPA2 is really bizarre. |
| 20:32.15 | ^rob^ | hmm |
| 20:32.18 | tvynr | jnguy: Most if not all of us are. What's the real question? :) |
| 20:32.20 | Supaplex | jnguy: just like with .tar.gz, but no -z use -j |
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| 20:32.23 | ^rob^ | i'll go memtest. |
| 20:32.26 | nvz | Supaplex: yeah I said that many times before.. a little quiz before upgrading.. heh |
| 20:32.28 | ^rob^ | brb |
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| 20:32.38 | mutantpineapple | Supaplex: for someone to even know of the existence of testing/unstable, they would probably have come across something like that |
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| 20:32.47 | nvz | whatever pulls your bandwagon.. that single call from an strace is completly useless |
| 20:32.50 | jnguy | if I use an exclude pattern, do things that are supposed to be excluded still get printed to screen? |
| 20:32.55 | Supaplex | mutantpineapple: you'd "assume" as much. |
| 20:32.57 | tvynr | eeyore-: Thanks for the responses, though. It's nice to chat directly with someone else who's gotten it working if only for optimism. :) |
| 20:33.08 | tvynr | jnguy: Not AFAIK. |
| 20:33.25 | Supaplex | nvz: yea, he left w/o showing us the other facts we were looking for... |
| 20:33.28 | tvynr | jnguy: It won't print excluded files because it's not even looking at them. |
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| 20:33.41 | jnguy | err. I'm using an exclude pattern, but the files that *should* be excluded still shows up. |
| 20:33.47 | nvz | Supaplex: signals are called shorthand.. you have to see the whole signal log to know wtf it means |
| 20:34.03 | purplepenguins | blah |
| 20:34.13 | tvynr | jnguy: For instance, tar --exclude="Trash" -cjf somefile.tar.bz2 some/path will not display the directory some/path/Trash or anything in it. |
| 20:34.14 | Supaplex | nvz: I'm talking about the strace log. he only pasted the signal, we know it segfaulted from previous questions. |
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| 20:34.25 | tvynr | jnguy: Paste the command you're running here along with the path of the file you think should be excluded? |
| 20:34.25 | Supaplex | nvz: but he never gave us the log. right? |
| 20:34.38 | nvz | Supaplex: yeah he posted a single mmap call before the SIGSEGV |
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| 20:34.58 | nvz | but I have no idea what that call was doing.. I dont have access to his ram |
| 20:35.02 | eeyore- | tvynr: no prob. pick your secret carefully though |
| 20:35.05 | Supaplex | nvz: ahh. there's little context. |
| 20:35.22 | Supaplex | nvz: I distracted him too easy. my bad. :P |
| 20:35.31 | eeyore- | tvynr: my secret is 64 hex digits ... just have to type it in once for each client ... |
| 20:35.32 | nvz | Supaplex: thats what I am saying like a read() call only uses a file handle.. if you can't see the open() call you don't know wtf is going on |
| 20:35.37 | jnguy | tar -cvjf -X exclude /home/jnguy/root_`date + %F`.tar.bz2 / |
| 20:35.45 | jnguy | exclude has two lines |
| 20:35.48 | nvz | Supaplex: you need to see what the calls before that were and what they returned |
| 20:35.51 | jnguy | home/jnguy/* |
| 20:35.54 | jnguy | and tmp/* |
| 20:35.56 | Supaplex | yeah, you hae to catch the = 4 descriptor. |
| 20:35.57 | jnguy | doing all of this from / |
| 20:36.24 | tvynr | eeyore-: For tests, I've been using eight randomly selected words from the dictionary. Is there a max length on the secret or is it hashed somehow? |
| 20:36.26 | nvz | Supaplex: if it segfaults on --help that is what I want the log of.. cause it would be considerbly less to go through than listing all packages like dpkg -l |
| 20:36.54 | h3sp4wn | it doesn't segfault on --help (he said that earlier) |
| 20:37.07 | Supaplex | nvz: I agree. I didn't realise you were after alternative tests to get a shorter output. |
| 20:37.14 | nvz | ah well either way I want to minimize the output of the trace as much as possible |
| 20:37.20 | eeyore- | tvynr: it'll be hashed later. don't use words from dictionary :-) that's the first attack in any book ... |
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| 20:37.45 | eeyore- | tvynr: dude :-) dictionary attack is the most basic attack ... |
| 20:37.47 | tvynr | jnguy: And I take it that the exclusion isn't working at all? You're getting everything in /tmp, for instance? |
| 20:37.50 | nvz | Supaplex: just the dpkg -l nividia* he was doing should be much smaller.. but then again.. if its segfaulting before it reads the db it would be the same either way |
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| 20:38.37 | jnguy | its printing it out |
| 20:38.44 | jnguy | not sure if its actuall yin the archive. |
| 20:39.01 | tvynr | jnguy: Quickest way to find out: tar tjf archive.tar.bz2 | grep filename |
| 20:39.13 | jnguy | thats what I was looking for |
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| 20:39.16 | jnguy | I was doing tar tj |
| 20:39.17 | `DoM` | hi all |
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| 20:39.50 | `DoM` | a question: is it better a sarge version or a stable version for server use ? |
| 20:39.50 | DDubya | how can I list all the services that are running in debian? |
| 20:40.01 | tarzeau | DDubya: netstat -plunt ? ps -ef ? |
| 20:40.04 | nvz | DDubya: netstat might help |
| 20:40.10 | snorks | ps aux |
| 20:40.12 | MoDaX | `DoM`: stable (aka etch) |
| 20:40.14 | DDubya | hrrmm.. makes sense |
| 20:40.17 | DDubya | thanks! |
| 20:40.18 | nvz | DDubya: if you are only concerned with the ones that are listening |
| 20:40.28 | dfa001 | `DoM`, sarge is oldstable |
| 20:40.31 | tvynr | eeyore-: Well, indeed. Lessee... half a million words in the English language, eight words... that's roughly equivalent to a 141 bit key in terms of number of possible outcomes. |
| 20:40.42 | eeyore- | tvynr: http://www.ciscopress.com/articles/article.asp?p=370636&seqNum=2&rl=1 |
| 20:40.45 | `DoM` | ye psarge is old stable |
| 20:40.48 | DDubya | well i was running a "top" command but I don't really see all of the services |
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| 20:40.53 | tvynr | eeyore-: But I'll take a look at the random hex string. |
| 20:40.54 | DDubya | i guess its top 20? |
| 20:40.54 | eeyore- | tvynr: he seems to concentrate on cracking the psk |
| 20:41.00 | jnguy | err. I accidently created some files... how can I do anything with a file that begins with -? |
| 20:41.08 | dfa001 | `DoM`, etch was released as stable a couple weeks ago |
| 20:41.17 | h3sp4wn | jnguy: rm -- -file |
| 20:41.18 | tvynr | jnguy: iirc, like so: rm -- -file |
| 20:41.23 | nvz | DDubya: I dunno I never used top.. its fugly. I like htop though its pretty cool |
| 20:41.24 | snorks | jnguy: what do you want to do |
| 20:41.28 | jnguy | thanks guys. |
| 20:41.53 | jnguy | just curious, what does -- do? |
| 20:41.54 | Supaplex | jnguy: or rm ./-file |
| 20:41.55 | tvynr | jnguy: Many utils accept '--' as "no, really... this is the last flag and everything else is a normal parameter" |
| 20:42.08 | nvz | DDubya: htop is a nifty curses based top which also can feature many different status indicators.. for cpu usage, memory, load average..etc |
| 20:42.13 | `DoM` | dfa001, i would like just to know if sarge packages will be forgotten and will be old and not mantained anymore |
| 20:42.17 | Supaplex | jnguy: treats everything as literals (not commands) |
| 20:42.41 | MoDaX | `DoM`: yes, after a year sarge won't get security updates anymore |
| 20:42.44 | `DoM` | dfa001, try to forgive my poor english elementar school like :P |
| 20:42.44 | jnguy | did't know that at all... pretty useful thing to know. |
| 20:42.51 | dfa001 | `DoM`, sometimes it happens |
| 20:42.58 | nvz | DDubya: just seems logical to be able to actually monitor things and explore them in a tree view if nessicary or kill them.. if you are gonna use a top program.. otherwise I just use ps |
| 20:43.05 | dfa001 | `DoM`, but most packages should be in etch that were in sarge |
| 20:43.05 | `DoM` | oh thanks bot dfa001 and MoDaX |
| 20:43.16 | `DoM` | *both :d |
| 20:43.32 | DDubya | nvz: yeah top is fugly.. never seen htop. |
| 20:43.33 | snorks | jnguy: sometimes just knowing what stuff stands for, like "lsof", explains the whole application |
| 20:43.41 | snorks | jnguy: i had that problem when i started out |
| 20:43.44 | jnguy | :) |
| 20:44.02 | jnguy | yeah, I don't consider myself a newbie, but I learn stuff everyday. |
| 20:44.06 | DDubya | nvz: PS! thats it. Couldn't remember that.. I remember piping it to grep or something along those lines |
| 20:44.10 | snorks | yep |
| 20:44.11 | snorks | same here |
| 20:44.17 | snorks | im not a newbie but im far from pr0 |
| 20:44.22 | eeyore- | tvynr: i'm not convinced that it would be feasible to brute-force the PSK if the PSK is random characters |
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| 20:44.37 | rahul | !seen stoned |
| 20:44.37 | dpkg | stoned <n=stoned@cpe-24-193-147-226.nyc.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 19h 14m 19s ago, saying: 'word'. |
| 20:44.38 | Gnea | what's pr0? |
| 20:44.45 | snorks | "professional" |
| 20:44.49 | snorks | its leetspeak |
| 20:44.56 | snorks | its for retards |
| 20:44.57 | Gnea | !leetspeak |
| 20:44.57 | dpkg | rumour has it, leetspeak is http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/children/kidtalk.mspx |
| 20:44.59 | eeyore- | tvynr: if you read specifically that there is a technique for cracking WPA-PSK without brute-forcing, i would be interested to know. do you remember where you read that "WPA-PSK is little better than WEP"? |
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| 20:45.21 | Gnea | snorks: i wouldn't use that word 'retards', and i would watch your tongue with it. |
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| 20:45.38 | purplepenguins | is wep really that bad? |
| 20:45.39 | perlmonkey | adding a new user did not help, same problems existed |
| 20:45.41 | snorks | Gnea: sup? i targeted myself here... |
| 20:45.43 | DDubya | yeah.. WEP is getting cracked hardcore. |
| 20:45.44 | tvynr | eeyore-: I'll take the recommendation to heart. I guess what I really want to know is whether or not the WPA2 on my hostAP not working is because of a mistake I made or some bug. 'cause if it's the prior, I want to know. |
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| 20:46.01 | purplepenguins | that is what we used at home |
| 20:46.01 | DDubya | WAP is actually more secure than WEP now |
| 20:46.01 | tvynr | eeyore-: I may have misinterpreted, but I know I read whatever I'm remembering today. One moment whilst I shuffle through my browser history. |
| 20:46.02 | ekimus | purplepenguins: it's worse |
| 20:46.07 | pickcoder | 128-bit WEP is getting cracked? |
| 20:46.09 | Gnea | snorks: FYI, this is a non-leetspeaking channel. |
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| 20:46.15 | perlmonkey | when you change the uid on a system, do you need to anything apart from edit group and passwd? |
| 20:46.16 | purplepenguins | then again, we lived near six other wireless networks and none of those were encrypted at all |
| 20:46.19 | Supaplex | htop is cool. thanks for mentioning it |
| 20:46.19 | rahul | associating retardation with leetspeak is an insult to retards. |
| 20:46.24 | wintix | pickcoder: long ago. |
| 20:46.31 | Gnea | rahul: thank you |
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| 20:46.32 | snorks | Gnea: Stop it. I said pr0. Get over it. |
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| 20:46.43 | Supaplex | !aolify snorks |
| 20:46.49 | Supaplex | ;) |
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| 20:46.58 | snorks | haha |
| 20:46.58 | DDubya | pickcoder: yeah 128 bit isn't shit anymore.. aparantly |
| 20:46.58 | rahul | I like to distinguish between retards and willful retards. |
| 20:46.58 | Gnea | snorks: no, show some respect or get the fuck out. |
| 20:47.06 | purplepenguins | hmm |
| 20:47.14 | snorks | Gnea: In this channel we don't cuss. Please refrain from using such language. |
| 20:47.17 | purplepenguins | maybe we should switch to WPA at home then |
| 20:47.18 | rahul | snorks, for example, would be a willfil retard. |
| 20:47.19 | nvz | the things people will try and do to your webserver are just stupid.. heh.. I have an ancient dmesg.log on there and it seems to be one of the more popular hits on my logs that doesnt return a 4xx error code :P |
| 20:47.26 | DDubya | pickcoder: Apparently WEP has some kind of algorithm problems that are easily caught |
| 20:47.26 | Gnea | snorks: yes, yes we do cuss. |
| 20:47.31 | grendal_prime | hey i need to send an snmptrap anyone have some advice on this? |
| 20:47.54 | Gnea | snorks: cussing is okay, there's no written rule that is stated otherwise. |
| 20:47.56 | purplepenguins | but they use windoze machines and I don't know how wpa works with those |
| 20:48.00 | eeyore- | Gnea: "retard" was/is a perfectly acceptable word ... there is a book titled "Teaching the Retarded Child to Talk" by Julia S. Molloy |
| 20:48.01 | pickcoder | if you use a WEP key generator.. sure |
| 20:48.03 | tarzeau | perlmonkey: basic is easy, www.freebasic.net |
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| 20:48.09 | perlmonkey | thanks |
| 20:48.16 | eeyore- | http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a355/zoc/retardedtalk.jpg |
| 20:48.23 | snorks | Gnea: Do something better with your time than biting the head off the guy that said pr0 instead of pro |
| 20:48.24 | pickcoder | anything based on dictionary words is a bad idea |
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| 20:48.39 | snorks | Gnea: clearly you have nothing to do on this friday |
| 20:48.39 | tdonahue-laptop | hi all |
| 20:48.39 | tvynr | eeyore-: http://hostap.epitest.fi/hostapd/: "WPA is an intermediate solution for the security issues. It uses Temporal Key Integrity Protocol (TKIP) to replace WEP. TKIP is a compromise on strong security and possibility to use existing hardware. It still uses RC4 for the encryption like WEP, but with per-packet RC4 keys." |
| 20:48.41 | purplepenguins | what size key does wpa use? |
| 20:48.41 | rahul | snorks: stfu and stop being willfully retarded. |
| 20:48.45 | tvynr | eeyore-: I didn't find that encouraging. |
| 20:48.46 | stew | rahul: stop |
| 20:48.52 | stew | everyone, please drop this sillyness |
| 20:48.54 | omri | is there a command line tool for generating ascii figlets? (other than banner) |
| 20:49.03 | tarzeau | omri: yes |
| 20:49.04 | DDubya | doesn't matter pickcoder.. it's the algorithms |
| 20:49.05 | omri | (not like cowsay) |
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| 20:49.11 | perlmonkey | how soon will WPA be replaced? |
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| 20:49.16 | tarzeau | omri: the one of sam, toilet |
| 20:49.25 | omri | I'll check; thanks |
| 20:49.26 | purplepenguins | apt-get moo |
| 20:49.38 | DDubya | WPA is FINE for now. Just don't make your password dictionary |
| 20:49.47 | eeyore- | tvynr: but if you can't get your foot in the door, it's game over. and you can't re-use captured packets because of TKIP ... |
| 20:49.54 | ekimus | lol aptitude moo is nice :) |
| 20:50.04 | perlmonkey | i've used 63 hex characters for my WPA pw |
| 20:50.10 | perlmonkey | is that ok? |
| 20:50.12 | wintix | ekimus: try -v , -vv , ... |
| 20:50.33 | purplepenguins | -vvvvv |
| 20:50.37 | jnguy | !seen laserlights2000 |
| 20:50.37 | dpkg | jnguy: i haven't seen 'laserlights2000' |
| 20:50.45 | purplepenguins | !seen dpkg |
| 20:50.45 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'dpkg', purplepenguins |
| 20:50.54 | nvz | perlmonkey: that depends.. what are your other methods of security.. |
| 20:50.57 | eeyore- | perlmonkey: you and me :-) |
| 20:51.10 | perlmonkey | if the US gov allows 2048bit encryption that means they can crack it easy right? |
| 20:51.10 | jnguy | purplepenguins: clever :) |
| 20:51.12 | tdonahue-laptop | if i'm using apt-proxy, can I use a single server for i386 and amd64? |
| 20:51.19 | perlmonkey | eeyore- :-> |
| 20:51.21 | purplepenguins | !seen apt |
| 20:51.21 | dpkg | apt is currently on #debian #debian-bots. Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 1h 38m 33s, last said: 'hello, gpm'. |
| 20:51.28 | ekimus | wintix: i wish i had the time make easter eggs, on the other hand im crating our new auth source now... better no easter eggs in there :) |
| 20:51.31 | wintix | purplepenguins: msg the bot. |
| 20:51.31 | DDubya | yeah perl.. As soon as its easy for them that means they can watch us |
| 20:51.33 | rahul | the government doesn't 'allow' 2048 bit crypto |
| 20:51.39 | jnguy | !seen laserlight2000 |
| 20:51.39 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'laserlight2000', jnguy |
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| 20:51.41 | tvynr | eeyore-: *nods* I guess I'm just being a bit overly paranoid. RC4, IIRC, is pretty... well, sad. I liked the Blowfish encryption algorithm when we went over it in Crypto. But I'll take the assurance for the time being if only because I don't feel like fighting with wireless anymore. I have a webpage to write. :) |
| 20:51.42 | rahul | they don't restrict it at all |
| 20:51.44 | wintix | ekimus: heh |
| 20:51.45 | jnguy | !seen jnguy[w] |
| 20:51.46 | dpkg | jnguy[w] <n=jnguy@mrjack.ucsd.edu> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 164d 15h 40m 47s ago, saying: 'bmp might be what I'm looking for though.'. |
| 20:51.52 | stew | jnguy: please /msg the bot |
| 20:51.55 | DDubya | Yes they do rahul |
| 20:52.01 | jnguy | stew: sorry. |
| 20:52.04 | nvz | perlmonkey: any encryption that doesnt use rotating cleartext is subject to brute force, and yes the NSA has computers powerful enough to break million char keys in a matter of hours |
| 20:52.07 | rahul | DDubya: only in France. |
| 20:52.07 | jnguy | just messing around with the sucker. |
| 20:52.08 | eeyore- | tvynr: you can have WPA-PSK with TKIP + AES :-) |
| 20:52.08 | perlmonkey | rahul: they allow it to be exported freely, traditionally the US gov considers crypto a military weapon eh and prohibits exports |
| 20:52.12 | tvynr | tdonahue-laptop: I did for a while. But we just go direct to the mirrors anymore. apt-proxy kept seizing up during concurrent access. |
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| 20:52.20 | rahul | crypto is illegal in france |
| 20:52.21 | tvynr | eeyore: Oh? I should take a look at that. |
| 20:52.25 | omri | tarzeau, I remember there was something else |
| 20:52.28 | rahul | perlmonkey: that's a different issue |
| 20:52.32 | nvz | perlmonkey: now having a fail-to-ban or a timeout on retries significantly hinders progress ona brute force attack |
| 20:52.37 | rahul | perlmonkey: they still allow USE of crypto |
| 20:52.37 | eeyore- | tvynr: openwrt, dd-wrt, etc. cheap router, saves juice |
| 20:52.48 | stew | tdonahue-laptop: you can use a single server for multiple arches |
| 20:52.58 | purplepenguins | if you get a good router and put one of those on there it can do what you need |
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| 20:53.01 | perlmonkey | rahul: i know, but they dont want people outside the USA who may be a threat to them using it eh |
| 20:53.06 | perlmonkey | so its banned frome export |
| 20:53.09 | tdonahue-laptop | tvynr, how many concurrent sessions were you talking about when it was seizing? |
| 20:53.12 | tvynr | perlmonkey: Here's a fun question for you... if it's encrypted, how do they know how big the key was you used to encrypt it? :-P |
| 20:53.17 | purplepenguins | crypto is necessary for privacy |
| 20:53.17 | omri | tarzeau, http://www.draac.com/ascii.html something like that |
| 20:53.18 | DDubya | rahul: I always understood the US didn't allow high level encryption into or out of the US |
| 20:53.19 | tvynr | tdonahue-laptop: Two. :( |
| 20:53.28 | eeyore- | i'm debating whether i should set up a honeypot wifi hotspot, and transparently redirect all HTTP traffic to the "upside-down" script or "blur" script :-) |
| 20:53.33 | purplepenguins | no govt. can say that it respects privacy but also ban crypto |
| 20:53.38 | rahul | DDubya: you understand wrong. |
| 20:53.42 | perlmonkey | tvynr: they know by whether they can crack it or not ;-) |
| 20:53.43 | nvz | perlmonkey: the govt is only attacking encryption because it makes you think that they are not able to read your shit.. this makes you oblivious to the fact that the NSA exists, and has capabilites to do so, and in fact does read your shit |
| 20:53.46 | rahul | perlmonkey: sure |
| 20:53.48 | purplepenguins | Dubya done wrong? |
| 20:53.50 | wintix | eeyore-: :D |
| 20:54.00 | eeyore- | there's a guy that set up "public" wifi hotspot like that, and if you connect anonymously all your web images (jpeg, gif, etc.) are all upside down or blurry :-))))) |
| 20:54.07 | purplepenguins | but he's the president of the united states, he is never wrong |
| 20:54.10 | perlmonkey | nvz: phew |
| 20:54.10 | mutantpineapple | i have an advantage, my shit is unreadable |
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| 20:54.14 | DDubya | rahul: It's been said to me multiple times (teachers none the less) |
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| 20:54.15 | tdonahue-laptop | tvynr, thanks... i'll have to keep an eye out for that... we are more worried about the unnecessary bandwidth at this point though |
| 20:54.21 | jnguy | the US government does not explicitly state it respects privacy. |
| 20:54.24 | mutantpineapple | in fact, it makes marginally more sense when encrypted |
| 20:54.28 | eeyore- | http://www.ex-parrot.com/~pete/upside-down-ternet.html |
| 20:54.29 | rahul | DDubya: teachers say the darndest things |
| 20:54.32 | tvynr | perlmonkey: Well, *can* crack it and *want* to crack it are very different things. If the U.S. Gov't can crack a 2048-bit key, it'd cost them a *lot* of cash to do it. :) |
| 20:54.36 | jnguy | it is merely an implied right. |
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| 20:54.40 | perlmonkey | what about that guy in the 1990s who wrote the PGP and got around the export ban by sending it printed and using the constitution |
| 20:54.47 | perlmonkey | he didnt go to jail he |
| 20:54.48 | DDubya | rahul: tis true hahah but they are techies, not HS teachers |
| 20:54.49 | purplepenguins | 2048 bit key? that would be difficult |
| 20:54.50 | eeyore- | http://www.ex-parrot.com/~pete/shot1.png |
| 20:54.54 | tvynr | tdonahue-laptop: Understandable. I was using apt-cacher for a while, too, but I think it was dropped from support or something. |
| 20:54.56 | rahul | jnguy: uh, restructions on unfair search and seizure? |
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| 20:55.19 | eeyore- | that is just so freaking hilarious it makes me want to do it :-) |
| 20:55.21 | rahul | DDubya: probably VB coders |
| 20:55.26 | tvynr | tdonahue-laptop: Although since the Debian mirrors run over HTTP, I understand that it's possible (worst case scenario) to use a simple HTTP caching proxy. |
| 20:55.44 | purplepenguins | what does it take to run a debian/ubuntu mirror? |
| 20:55.48 | tarzeau | omri: yes toilet |
| 20:55.49 | tdonahue-laptop | tvynr, its still in etch.. |
| 20:55.57 | rahul | DDubya: import of crypto is allowed completely. use of crypto is allowed completely. |
| 20:55.58 | stew | eeyore-: i've thought about doing that. especially now that i'm running openvpn over my wireless, i could do it for all other connections |
| 20:56.01 | perlmonkey | tvynr: woah are you saying they cannot crack 2048bit? I thought that would be easy for them |
| 20:56.02 | purplepenguins | like, disk space-wise |
| 20:56.03 | tvynr | tdonahue-laptop: apt-cacher? Hmm... might want to take a look at it, then. |
| 20:56.07 | omri | how? with fonts? I've checked the fonts under /usr/share/figlets .. |
| 20:56.12 | omri | *figlet |
| 20:56.14 | eeyore- | stew: *evil* :-) |
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| 20:56.18 | rahul | DDubya: export is limited based on size of the key. |
| 20:56.19 | tarzeau | omri: apt-get install toilet |
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| 20:56.21 | tdonahue-laptop | tvynr, thanks for the pointers |
| 20:56.26 | omri | I did. toilet is installed |
| 20:56.26 | tarzeau | omri: man figlet is not free, try toilet |
| 20:56.37 | ^rob^ | back |
| 20:56.39 | tvynr | perlmonkey: Well, I have no idea what they *can* do. Just saying that I doubt it'd be "easy." They'd have to be motivated to try. |
| 20:56.43 | DDubya | rahul:AAHH that must be it then. key size. I guess I misunderstood. Thanks for the slap =) |
| 20:56.57 | tvynr | tdonahue-laptop: np - glad to help :) |
| 20:56.58 | omri | hmm... is in in the non-free tree? |
| 20:57.00 | rahul | DDubya: but ONLY with export |
| 20:57.01 | omri | *it |
| 20:57.05 | rahul | DDubya: import is completely allowed |
| 20:57.06 | purplepenguins | can you brute-force a 2048-bit key? |
| 20:57.13 | rahul | you can do anything you want |
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| 20:57.20 | DDubya | hahah |
| 20:57.23 | purplepenguins | in a reasonable amount of time |
| 20:57.25 | eeyore- | tvynr: FPGA are getting cheaper and faster all the time ... |
| 20:57.28 | ^rob^ | Supaplex: memtest went smooth - no errors |
| 20:57.30 | rahul | see you in 10^15 years :P |
| 20:57.33 | stew | eeyore-: or it might be fun to just dedicate a machine to displaying a slideshow of images, to see what people are using the connection for |
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| 20:57.51 | perlmonkey | we're all safe then |
| 20:57.51 | dfa001 | haha run driftnet on the AP |
| 20:57.57 | eeyore- | stew: come on, you know it's for pr0n :-) |
| 20:58.16 | purplepenguins | hmm |
| 20:58.19 | perlmonkey | our pr0n collections are safe for the time being |
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| 20:58.28 | stew | ooh driftnet is apt-gettable |
| 20:58.32 | purplepenguins | what is it? |
| 20:58.33 | dfa001 | yah it is |
| 20:58.38 | tarzeau | stew: was so for years |
| 20:58.40 | grendal_prime | snmptrap anyone? |
| 20:58.41 | stew | purplepenguins: apt-cache show driftnet |
| 20:58.42 | dfa001 | capture images from tcp streams |
| 20:58.43 | jair | tkr_: are you there? |
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| 20:58.53 | nvz | perlmonkey: only if you keep em to yourself. |
| 20:58.54 | jair | tkr_: everything is working nicely now :) |
| 20:59.11 | purplepenguins | lol |
| 20:59.11 | jair | thank you very very much |
| 20:59.11 | rahul | damn it. where the hell is stoned? |
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| 20:59.19 | wintix | driftnet. hehe. might give it a try. |
| 20:59.19 | rahul | I might have free tix to the hottest chicks in metal show |
| 20:59.27 | jair | xoz_: for the other networks all i did was add them to the file dhcp.conf and they work |
| 20:59.28 | nvz | perlmonkey: and if you dont have a savvy g/f who snoops around |
| 20:59.30 | purplepenguins | I don't know if I want to use that on the router in my house |
| 20:59.44 | stew | oh, interesting driftnet is hosted on the same site as the one eeyore- just posted. but a different account |
| 21:00.03 | rahul | I have to figure out whether I'm bringing another one of the hot chicks in metal there or another guy who appreciates a hot chick who has talent |
| 21:00.09 | nvz | though it seems tempting I think I'd rather have a g/f that doesnt care about technology much less understand it |
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| 21:00.31 | purplepenguins | my SO is not tech adept at all |
| 21:00.35 | perlmonkey | :) |
| 21:00.51 | nvz | though I do occationally feel the need to talk technical.. I think I can resist doing that with my gf |
| 21:01.16 | dfa001 | heh i taught my EX z80 assembler =P |
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| 21:01.36 | DDubya | nvz: thanks for that htop tip. quit a nice little proggy |
| 21:01.41 | wintix | dfa001: maybe that's why she's your ex ;) |
| 21:01.49 | dfa001 | wintix: =P |
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| 21:02.02 | nvz | though reading these dan brown books depicting relationships between two very intelligent minds.. does seem interesting.. |
| 21:02.04 | purplepenguins | my ex taught me how to use PHP |
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| 21:02.15 | eeyore- | thumb assembly to rule the world! |
| 21:02.18 | dfa001 | purplepenguins, i so read that as PCP |
| 21:02.26 | DDubya | ahahaha |
| 21:02.27 | eeyore- | (ok, thumb2) |
| 21:02.30 | tvynr | eeyore-: Out of curiosity... if my hostapd configuration file contains "wpa_pairwise=CCMP", do I take that to mean WPA2? |
| 21:02.32 | DDubya | you like to get wet? |
| 21:02.41 | nvz | nothing like talking dirty to a woman using metaphores from physics or cryptography or something |
| 21:02.58 | purplepenguins | sending me some THC packets |
| 21:03.17 | eeyore- | tvynr: i wish i could answer, but i can't. i don't have any hardware that hostap likes, so i didn't try it. |
| 21:03.20 | nvz | I'm one of those weirdo's who is attracted to a woman's mind.. a friend of mine once said, I need a girl who likes gettin it in the ear, cause I like women for their mind. |
| 21:03.36 | purplepenguins | that isn't that weird is it? |
| 21:03.39 | ^rob^ | I FIX IT |
| 21:03.41 | ^rob^ | :) |
| 21:03.41 | rahul | I would like to collide my muon stream with your target of charged helium atoms |
| 21:03.43 | DDubya | purplepenguins: are you White Widow compatible? |
| 21:03.43 | Supaplex | purplepenguins: use CONFIG_IP_THC in .config ;) |
| 21:03.44 | wintix | nvz: :) |
| 21:03.53 | purplepenguins | white widow? |
| 21:03.57 | grendal_prime | stew: do yo uknow anything about how to send and snmptrap from a debian box? |
| 21:03.59 | tvynr | eeyore-: Oh? What difficulty did you have with hostap? Getting the card into master mode? |
| 21:03.59 | DDubya | the stickiest of the icky |
| 21:04.00 | ^rob^ | Supaplex: the magic code: dpkg --clear-avail |
| 21:04.08 | nvz | but I rather have one whose interests and knowledge are in a field I am not familiar with.. that way we learn from each other instead of arguing to a moot point about things we both already know |
| 21:04.09 | grendal_prime | this is makeing us crazy seems like it should be simplier that it is |
| 21:04.24 | purplepenguins | yeah |
| 21:04.24 | stew | grendal_prime: no idea |
| 21:04.27 | ^rob^ | Supaplex: thnx for showing me the strace line... |
| 21:04.38 | stew | grendal_prime: i know what snmp stands for. that's about where it ends |
| 21:04.44 | dfa001 | grendal_prime, http://wiki.debian.org/SNMP?highlight=%28snmp%29 |
| 21:04.50 | Supaplex | ^rob^: np. consider "stable" btw :) |
| 21:04.55 | eeyore- | tvynr: well, at the time i tried it i didn't have prism card, and then when i got one it was atheros and i had to get it working fast and i didn't have any other card, so i just flashed my router with dd-wrt and forget about the whole hostapd thing |
| 21:05.06 | mutantpineapple | nvz: imagine marrying someone who disagreed with you on vi vs. emacs |
| 21:05.19 | dfa001 | emacs is a bloated pile of feces |
| 21:05.28 | mutantpineapple | it would be like a flamewar every day |
| 21:05.32 | purplepenguins | heh, how could you fall in love with someone who likes emacs though |
| 21:05.40 | ^rob^ | Supaplex: Stable use too old packages - i need gimp, inkscape inotekVirtualBox etc... |
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| 21:05.42 | mutantpineapple | haha true |
| 21:05.42 | dfa001 | purplepenguins, exactly |
| 21:05.44 | tarzeau | purplepenguins: emacs is great |
| 21:05.47 | eeyore- | (NC allows :^& and other characters in license plate, i'm gonna go for some obscure vi command :-)) |
| 21:05.49 | purplepenguins | I was joking |
| 21:05.59 | purplepenguins | it's harder to fall in love with someone who loves IE |
| 21:06.02 | purplepenguins | and I did |
| 21:06.06 | nvz | mutantpineapple: ugh.. I couldnt even go there. I despise vi.. I like this one girl cause she knows when to agree to disagree. |
| 21:06.08 | ^rob^ | Supaplex: i am not using sid |
| 21:06.17 | ^rob^ | I am on lenny |
| 21:06.19 | mutantpineapple | oh dear, what have i started? |
| 21:06.54 | tvynr | eeyore-: Ah, okay. I'm running hostAP on my router/firewall/everything-server. |
| 21:07.05 | tvynr | eeyore-: Atheros chipset. Came up like a dream. |
| 21:07.11 | dfa001 | !flamewar |
| 21:07.11 | dpkg | well, flamewar is that thing between vi and emacs.... Perl vs Python |
| 21:07.16 | nvz | mutantpineapple: I've spent so many years comming to understand her in those ways.. how she acts when she's mad, scared, confused..etc and how to compromise |
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| 21:07.25 | purplepenguins | perl and python are too different |
| 21:07.38 | wintix | flamewars can be fun :) |
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| 21:07.47 | wintix | (if you are not involved in it.. ) |
| 21:07.49 | purplepenguins | don't understand the need for a flamewar between them |
| 21:07.57 | nvz | mutantpineapple: that is the most important thing with anyone regaurdless of intelligence is knowing how to compromise |
| 21:08.02 | DDubya | with this "apt-get" (which by the way is beautiful) can I run a, say, "check for upgrades" on a particular proggy (e.g. exim, spamassassin, etc) |
| 21:08.18 | DDubya | *updates* i menat |
| 21:08.21 | dfa001 | DDuya, you can just apt-get name |
| 21:08.26 | dfa001 | and it will update it if it needs to |
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| 21:08.39 | purplepenguins | apt-get update, apt-get upgrade will check all your packages up to the newest version |
| 21:08.40 | DDubya | you mean install -name |
| 21:08.44 | dfa001 | s/apt-get name/ apt-get install name |
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| 21:08.51 | eeyore- | night! |
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| 21:09.00 | mzilikazi | DDubya: apt-cache policy <package-name> |
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| 21:09.14 | DDubya | that might be what I'm looking for mzilikazi |
| 21:09.18 | omri | is there a TFTP server that executes scripts? I want a dynamic boot.txt for PXE |
| 21:09.22 | nvz | DDubya: you still have to update first |
| 21:09.44 | DDubya | Is that a version check on my machine? |
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| 21:09.57 | nvz | DDubya: if you dont update your cache there is no method that will work.. doing apt-get install foo, apt-get upgrade or apt-cache policy.. its all the sae |
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| 21:10.11 | nvz | DDubya: yes, of course |
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| 21:10.34 | DDubya | I see. So I have to upgrade my package list then and then run a apt-get install |
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| 21:10.46 | nvz | DDubya: that would work, yes |
| 21:10.57 | DDubya | Deal. |
| 21:11.18 | nvz | DDubya: actually I am not so sure that would tell you anything but its already installed |
| 21:11.28 | nvz | DDubya: I am not sure if the install command is allowed to upgrade or not |
| 21:11.33 | dfa001 | nvz: that will install updates |
| 21:11.39 | DDubya | yeah it does.. just ran it |
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| 21:11.49 | whaq | Here I come, to save the dayyyy |
| 21:11.49 | DDubya | tells you update packages |
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| 21:13.33 | en1gma | hey all i just attempted to compile my own kernel the debian way with these instructions |
| 21:13.36 | en1gma | apt-get install screen fakeroot kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev |
| 21:13.36 | en1gma | cd to the sources (as non-root) |
| 21:13.36 | en1gma | make-kpkg --config=menuconfig --rootcmd=fakeroot buildpackage |
| 21:13.59 | en1gma | then i did an update-grub and shutdown and turn computer back on but new kernel is not listed |
| 21:14.26 | nvz | en1gma: because you never installed it? |
| 21:14.29 | mutantpineapple | en1gma: did you install the package |
| 21:14.32 | en1gma | omg what i need to do |
| 21:14.35 | DDubya | hehheh |
| 21:14.36 | nvz | en1gma: all that does is compile and create the packages :P |
| 21:14.38 | en1gma | i seen it saying installing |
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| 21:14.44 | cydork | en1gma: install the created deb.. |
| 21:14.49 | en1gma | omg |
| 21:14.49 | nvz | en1gma: you need to dpkg -i the package to install |
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| 21:15.04 | en1gma | ok so it should be located where i did those commands right? |
| 21:15.11 | nvz | en1gma: no, in the parent dir |
| 21:15.15 | en1gma | ok brb |
| 21:15.16 | mutantpineapple | /usr/src |
| 21:15.16 | en1gma | thanks |
| 21:15.22 | nvz | np |
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| 21:15.58 | nvz | mutantpineapple: kernel-package (make-kpkg) puts the packages in the parent dir of where it was run by defauly |
| 21:16.24 | nvz | s.y.t. |
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| 21:16.52 | perlmonkey | when you change a users uid, do you need to anything to update the files on system, after you edit the group/passwd files? i know about chown, but is there one command or something which it does it system wide? |
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| 21:17.06 | mutantpineapple | nvz: i'm assuming it was run in /usr/src/linux or similar |
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| 21:17.26 | mutantpineapple | "cd to the sources" |
| 21:17.38 | en1gma | i did 'apt-get install the image.deb and it dont find it |
| 21:17.43 | nvz | mutantpineapple: you assumed wrong and there was context to suggest that assumption was wrong |
| 21:17.52 | mzilikazi | en1gma: dpkg -i .deb |
| 21:17.56 | perlmonkey | I think I broke my system by messing with uid |
| 21:18.01 | en1gma | one of these days ill get the jargon down |
| 21:18.04 | mzilikazi | *.deb |
| 21:18.04 | en1gma | :) thanks again |
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| 21:18.59 | nvz | mutantpineapple: I told him to run it non-root and use fakeroot, which is a good habbit.. and if he did so, he would not have been able to build in /usr/src/ but in his $HOME |
| 21:18.59 | nvz | mutantpineapple: he mentioned in his question he didnt run it as root |
| 21:19.00 | nvz | mutantpineapple: so the correct answer is better than assumptions is the moral to this story :P |
| 21:19.04 | DDubya | what is fakeroot as opposed to sudo'ing? |
| 21:19.06 | nvz | especially if your assumptions ignore context and truth |
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| 21:19.56 | nvz | DDubya: well fakeroot allows you to create the compiled files with root ownership, but prevents an error like a . in the wrong place in a makefile from doing nasty damage to your system because you ran it unprivlaged |
| 21:20.11 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 21:20.12 | dpkg | i guess qotd93 is <sussudio> greycat: oil will just drip off, i used vaseline but the hamster keeps licking it off. |
| 21:20.30 | nvz | DDubya: it is your responsibility not only as an admin, but especially if you are both admin and user of the system.. to minimize need and use of super-user privlages whenever and wherever possible |
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| 21:20.49 | mutantpineapple | nvz: fair enough, i thought from the sound of it he was following a howto or something |
| 21:20.54 | endr[a] | hey |
| 21:21.40 | endr[a] | I can't seem to have my machine find any wireless networks with iwlist scan |
| 21:21.40 | nvz | DDubya: unless you are going to inspect all the code you are compiling for errors, you want to avoid compiling as root, cause its completly unnessicary |
| 21:21.40 | nvz | mutantpineapple: he was following my suggestion, actually :P |
| 21:21.40 | endr[a] | The driver is installed successfully, I did ifconfig eth1 up, iwconfig eth1 txpower 15, still doesnt hit anything |
| 21:21.41 | mutantpineapple | nvz: as i now see |
| 21:21.46 | DDubya | nvz: why would it compile wrong if you sudoed it? |
| 21:21.53 | nvz | DDubya: nope |
| 21:21.55 | nvz | DDubya: but |
| 21:21.59 | nvz | damn enter |
| 21:21.59 | nvz | ke |
| 21:22.01 | nvz | y is |
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| 21:22.03 | nvz | stuck |
| 21:22.07 | nvz | heh sorry |
| 21:22.09 | DDubya | hahah |
| 21:22.11 | mptech | since when does apt download two files at once? |
| 21:22.54 | nvz | DDubya: but you risk potential damages to the system.. say it runs a 'clean' operation and the file is errored and it does a rm -rf / instead of what it was suppose to do |
| 21:23.13 | nvz | DDubya: its just foolish to take risks when you dont have to |
| 21:23.26 | DDubya | you lost me at rm -rf ;) |
| 21:23.38 | mzilikazi | DDubya: that will nuke your entire system in short order |
| 21:23.39 | DDubya | whats the f |
| 21:23.43 | mzilikazi | don't ever type that |
| 21:23.46 | mutantpineapple | i'm not really into all this avoid-root-wherever-possible stuff. i have relatively recent backups, no important files and plenty of time to spend mopping up after myself if i ever make the sort of horrible mistake people are certain you will make if you have too many privileges |
| 21:23.51 | wintix | DDubya: force |
| 21:23.51 | nvz | DDubya: heh. -rf = recursive and force |
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| 21:24.01 | DDubya | aah. |
| 21:24.04 | nvz | DDubya: which is what the kernels 'clean' target does in fact |
| 21:24.12 | DDubya | ooooooh. |
| 21:24.16 | nvz | DDubya: wouldnt take a catastrophic typo to make it do damage |
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| 21:24.34 | nvz | DDubya: but if you run it unprivlaged the most you could loose is your homedir |
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| 21:25.00 | DDubya | So don't do it root if the summary.. but don't do sudo.. |
| 21:25.10 | DDubya | is* |
| 21:25.11 | nvz | DDubya: which is why I keep most of my music and vidoe and such catalogged in /srv/samba/ owned by smbguest |
| 21:25.41 | DDubya | nvz: point taken. But what about sudo? Are there sec issues there as well? |
| 21:25.54 | nvz | DDubya: sudo still makes you root |
| 21:26.10 | mptech | why would the kernel's "make clean" run rm -rf? |
| 21:26.12 | sepski | how can i detect the installed architecture on the machine ? eg i386/amd64/powerpc |
| 21:26.22 | mptech | that sounds absurd |
| 21:26.31 | mptech | sepski, does it run windows? |
| 21:26.33 | nvz | mptech: it wouldnt it would rm -rf the stuff its suppose to unless there was a typo |
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| 21:26.51 | gpm | or you could just think before you type |
| 21:26.52 | DDubya | nvz: so fakeroot is better than sudo? Everything is blurry now |
| 21:26.53 | sepski | debian ofcourse... |
| 21:27.00 | mptech | yes yes, but *can* it run windows? |
| 21:27.09 | mptech | if so, it's not PPC |
| 21:27.11 | nvz | DDubya: fakeroot and sudo dont even come close to doing the same things |
| 21:27.28 | mzilikazi | sepski: arch ? |
| 21:27.38 | sepski | mptech, i'm writing a script that have to automagicaly detect what arch it's running on in order to do things the riight way |
| 21:27.46 | DDubya | nvz: so how can you update with fakeroot without root privlidges? |
| 21:27.51 | nvz | DDubya: su and sudo make you become another user.. when compiling there is NO REASON WHAT SO EVER to be root.. you only need to create files tht are owned by root, which fakeroot allows you to do without actually having to be root |
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| 21:28.07 | wintix | sepski: uname -a |
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| 21:28.08 | nvz | DDubya: you only need to become root to INSTALL the compiled program |
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| 21:28.16 | sepski | wintix, only returns the kernel |
| 21:28.19 | nvz | DDubya: you should never compile (ANYTHING) as root |
| 21:28.23 | DDubya | nvz: Ooooh. |
| 21:28.34 | sepski | i can run a i686 kernel, but the installed system is a i386 architecture |
| 21:28.35 | DDubya | whooopsie |
| 21:28.42 | DDubya | ;) |
| 21:28.42 | jason_ | "apt-get install python-glade" doesn't work.... any idea? |
| 21:28.57 | xitron | jason_, use aptitude to search for it |
| 21:29.02 | mutantpineapple | define doesn't work |
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| 21:29.18 | DDubya | nvz: so for commands like "apt-get" its OK to sudo? |
| 21:29.27 | nvz | wintix: this is what I was talking about.. minimizing root usage. |
| 21:29.30 | mptech | sepski, /proc/cpuinfo might have that information |
| 21:29.31 | nvz | blah wrong nick |
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| 21:29.43 | nvz | DDubya: yeah its required in that case |
| 21:29.44 | wintix | nvz: np. |
| 21:30.04 | nvz | DDubya: because apt-get is installing things which requires root privlage |
| 21:30.13 | mzilikazi | sepski: man arch: - print machine architecture |
| 21:30.17 | DDubya | nvz: Ok, I figured. So fakeroot is used for compiling mainly |
| 21:30.34 | sepski | mzilikazi, i checked that, it returns i686 if you have a i686 kernel |
| 21:30.43 | nvz | DDubya: pretty much all its good for.. it doesnt give you root privlage, it just lets you create files with the UID=0 |
| 21:30.47 | sepski | while the arch it i386 |
| 21:30.49 | en1gma | well my kernel didnt work...wouldnt be the first time....let me ask this. i picked K7 architecture cause the official nvidia binary wont work with a x64 kernel ontop of a 32bit distro install so i have to do non x64 |
| 21:30.58 | en1gma | can i pick K8 and still not use x64 |
| 21:31.01 | DDubya | nvz: Oh. Ok that makes more sense now. |
| 21:31.08 | DDubya | nvz: Thanks teacher =) |
| 21:31.12 | Kalisto | when i use top is there a flag i can use to display data size in MB? I found silch on the man page. |
| 21:31.14 | jason_ | xitron: dpkg -l python-glade gives me some output.. |
| 21:31.17 | mptech | sepski, wtf are you on about? |
| 21:31.20 | nvz | DDubya: heh, no problem |
| 21:31.36 | xitron | jason_, what output, pastebin |
| 21:31.49 | mptech | an i386 machine won't run an i686 kernel unless it's i686... |
| 21:31.52 | mptech | it's quite simple |
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| 21:32.10 | en1gma | what about my q |
| 21:32.17 | sepski | mptech, i am talking about the debian supported architectures |
| 21:32.18 | jason_ | xitron: un python-glade none no available description |
| 21:32.18 | nvz | DDubya: now sudo is a whole different ballgame.. and learning to configure sudo properly can work wonders on providing sane ways to avoid abuse of superuser privlage |
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| 21:32.24 | DDubya | nvz: If you are in the teaching mood, could you explain running programs as root? Are there certain ones that need to? Is it best to minimize running processes as root? |
| 21:32.32 | xitron | jason_, you instaled it? |
| 21:32.55 | DDubya | nvz: Are you talking about end-users in that case? |
| 21:32.59 | sepski | mptech, debian supports 11 (or 12?) architectures and i'd like to detect witch one my script is running on |
| 21:33.04 | DDubya | nvz: or protecting yourself from yourself? |
| 21:33.07 | nvz | DDubya: yeah you want to avoid running anything as root at all costs because the root user has the power to potentially damage the system.. you just have to exercize caution.. sudo is a good way to do that |
| 21:33.08 | mzilikazi | Kalisto: htop can do that - not sure about top |
| 21:33.14 | jason_ | xitron: no i haven't, I can't .... |
| 21:33.15 | mptech | sepski, and? |
| 21:33.16 | nvz | DDubya: accidents happen, its a human condition |
| 21:33.27 | en1gma | how can i pick K8 architecture in menuconfig and NOT build it x64 |
| 21:33.27 | mptech | i686 will always be an i386 or amd64 machine |
| 21:33.27 | mutantpineapple | but is it worth being so paranoid? |
| 21:33.28 | xitron | jason_, sec |
| 21:33.40 | jason_ | xitron: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20414/ it is portuguese sorry.. |
| 21:33.50 | mptech | if the amd64 machine is running a x86 kernel, the fact that its x64 is irrelevant |
| 21:33.52 | sepski | mptech, and i'd hope to avoid haveing to check all possible sub arches and cpu types |
| 21:33.54 | en1gma | i would think you would pick K7 instead of i686 for an amd64 |
| 21:34.06 | en1gma | mptech no its not |
| 21:34.15 | DDubya | nvz: when you say has the potential to damage your system, do you mean from outside attacks or from the program itself |
| 21:34.17 | mptech | yes it is |
| 21:34.19 | en1gma | the nvidia officail binary driver will not install |
| 21:34.22 | en1gma | nope! |
| 21:34.33 | en1gma | and it says it in their notes |
| 21:34.34 | jason_ | xitron: it seems it's not available from repository even though it is in the package database.. |
| 21:34.37 | Kalisto | mzilikazi, wow thanks that looks like a brilliant tool! |
| 21:34.38 | xitron | jason_, python-glide has no installtion canditate you need to download the source or a .deb package from somewhere and compile it |
| 21:34.39 | nvz | DDubya: I used to have my sudoers setup so that when I was doing maint heavily.. I could sudo -v and type the root password.. then I could sudo anything I wanted without having to supply a password each time, and still not have a full root shell (like su) where I could make extra typos.. and then when I was done I'd sudo -k and it would require a password again |
| 21:34.45 | mptech | en1gma, please read what I said |
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| 21:34.53 | mptech | I'm talking about an x64 computer running in x86 mode |
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| 21:34.56 | jason_ | xitron... hmm |
| 21:34.58 | mzilikazi | Kalisto: it's my favorite :) |
| 21:34.59 | mptech | nvidia installs fine |
| 21:35.05 | xitron | jason_, sec I search it for you |
| 21:35.17 | nvz | DDubya: from the program itself.. but say for example you IRC as root, and someone finds a vulernability in that program to make it execute commands locally.. then that program is a remote security issue |
| 21:35.28 | en1gma | mptech i did. now you rad what i wrote |
| 21:35.31 | en1gma | read |
| 21:35.38 | jason_ | xitron: I found one here.. http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/python-gnome/ |
| 21:35.46 | en1gma | it is not irrelevany |
| 21:35.49 | jason_ | xitron: but it cause dependency problems |
| 21:35.52 | xitron | jason_, http://packages.debian.org/unstable/python/python-glade-1.2 |
| 21:35.54 | en1gma | irelevant* |
| 21:35.56 | mptech | seeing as I have an x64 processor, and I use nvidia drivers without a hitch, you're clearly wrong |
| 21:35.58 | gpm | en1gma: yeah, the nvidia stuff is broken |
| 21:36.06 | en1gma | mptech you are wrong |
| 21:36.08 | gpm | en1gma: how old's your card? |
| 21:36.13 | DDubya | nvz: thats what I always understood it to be; outside attacks taking control and running local commands.. didn't know the actual program itself could cause something |
| 21:36.16 | en1gma | geforce 8800gtx |
| 21:36.25 | xitron | jason_, what you exactly trying to do? |
| 21:36.25 | mptech | en1gma, same card I have |
| 21:36.30 | en1gma | ok then listen |
| 21:36.31 | gpm | there's a patched version |
| 21:36.36 | gpm | mptech: he's running 2.6.20 |
| 21:36.39 | en1gma | if you installed an x64 distro then you are ok |
| 21:36.44 | gpm | you probably are on 2.6.18 somethin' |
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| 21:36.53 | mptech | gpm, yep |
| 21:36.57 | en1gma | if you installed the i386 then tried to switch to x64 it wont work |
| 21:36.58 | mptech | what happened in 2.6.20? |
| 21:37.00 | nvz | DDubya: well this is why you run programs unprivlaged so that even if they had bugs remote exploitable or otherwise.. they couldnt do harm to the whole system, only the user running them |
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| 21:37.17 | en1gma | so it is not irelevanty |
| 21:37.24 | DDubya | nvz: Yeah, that logic was coming together in my brain =) |
| 21:37.26 | gpm | en1gma: hold on |
| 21:37.30 | gpm | en1gma: i got a fix for ya |
| 21:37.33 | gpm | you could be nicer you know |
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| 21:37.37 | wintix | !enter |
| 21:37.37 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. (Remember, the less you annoy us, the more help you're likely to get.) |
| 21:37.38 | en1gma | i trying |
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| 21:37.38 | jason_ | one of my python program uses gtk.glade module, but it is not availeable in my system. I thought python-glade has that module in it.. |
| 21:37.41 | nvz | DDubya: in the case mentioned earlier.. you are compiling over 500MB of source that is a contributed effort of countless developers you dont know.. so why the hell would you start crunching all that code as root? |
| 21:37.42 | gpm | especially since you're looking for help |
| 21:37.47 | jason_ | xitron: one of my python program uses gtk.glade module, but it is not availeable in my system. I thought python-glade has that module in it.. |
| 21:37.48 | sepski | mptech, wintix mzilikazi the answer was 'dpkg --print-architecture' :) |
| 21:37.49 | en1gma | well i trying to help alsoi |
| 21:38.02 | gpm | en1gma: is this what you're talkin' about? there's a fix in there |
| 21:38.05 | gpm | one's easy |
| 21:38.06 | mzilikazi | sepski: noted! |
| 21:38.07 | gpm | one's hard |
| 21:38.09 | gpm | http://www.debianhelp.org/node/6880 |
| 21:38.11 | gpm | that's it |
| 21:38.12 | gpm | sorry |
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| 21:38.15 | nvz | DDubya: its highly unlikely compiling a kernel from kernel.org is going to hose your system, but you never know.. thats no reason to excuse yourself to continue practicing bad habbits |
| 21:38.17 | en1gma | looking now...and thnx |
| 21:38.18 | xitron | jason_, http://www.gnu.org/software/guile-gtk/docs/guile-gtk/Glade-Module.html |
| 21:38.19 | DDubya | nvz: I wouldn't want to... The problem is I'm not entirely sure how to make certain programs run as other users |
| 21:38.27 | kth``laptop | Hmm... What's the worst kill -signal you can do? -15? |
| 21:38.35 | wintix | sepski: ah. ok. |
| 21:38.35 | gpm | en1gma: grab the patched version of the installer |
| 21:38.36 | purplepenguins | is there a way to copy links from irssi? |
| 21:38.38 | mptech | nvz, there's nothing wrong with compiling a kernel from kernel.org |
| 21:38.42 | gpm | en1gma: i think that works for most people |
| 21:38.50 | mptech | Linus is *very* picky |
| 21:38.50 | DDubya | unless the proggy has a .conf file that lets you give it UID |
| 21:38.50 | wintix | purplepenguins: to where? |
| 21:38.50 | nvz | mptech: I didn't say there was |
| 21:38.51 | gpm | purplepenguins: yeah, what do you mean...are you in X? |
| 21:39.03 | purplepenguins | yeah |
| 21:39.08 | purplepenguins | using rxvt-unicode |
| 21:39.09 | gpm | just select it |
| 21:39.15 | gpm | then middle click to paste |
| 21:39.25 | en1gma | that one is not the problem |
| 21:39.30 | nvz | mptech: I said that trusting the kernel devs is no excuse to practice bad habbits of escalating privlages unnessicarily. |
| 21:39.31 | en1gma | there is another problem |
| 21:39.31 | jason_ | xitron: thanks for the help.. My program works on other distros.. So.. |
| 21:39.38 | gpm | en1gma: sorry, that's the one i ran into |
| 21:39.41 | xitron | jason_, ok :-) |
| 21:39.44 | gpm | en1gma: that's all i know |
| 21:39.50 | gpm | you may want to ask in #nvidia |
| 21:39.55 | nvz | mptech: there is absolutly no advantage or reason to ever compile as root.. and doing so is just a bad habbit that you shouldnt get used to doing |
| 21:40.06 | mptech | Do you guys recommend running an x64 or x86 version of debian on an x64 processor |
| 21:40.06 | gpm | s/habbit/habit |
| 21:40.11 | en1gma | it says you CAN NOT install the x64 nvidia binary driver ontop of a distro install that was i386 to begin with even if you changed your kernel to x64 |
| 21:40.12 | gpm | or hobbit |
| 21:40.15 | gpm | :P |
| 21:40.17 | DDubya | mptech: how in the world did you read nvz's message that way? |
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| 21:40.38 | wintix | mptech: depends on what you whant do do with the system. |
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| 21:40.50 | en1gma | there is something bad about switching to an x64 kernel when the distro installed was i386 to begin with |
| 21:40.52 | Alam_Debian | can I add a TTF font by user by put them in ~/.fonts/? |
| 21:41.12 | mptech | wintix, general use, some coding, a small bit of video and audio encoding, toying with xen |
| 21:41.23 | BabyBee | #nicksetup |
| 21:41.24 | nvz | DDubya: people speed read and often dont think as fast as they read :P |
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| 21:41.34 | mzilikazi | Alam_Debian: I think so yes |
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| 21:41.40 | wintix | mptech: you might want to have 64bit for video and audio encoding. |
| 21:41.57 | en1gma | that is why i was asking is there someway to disable x64 in menuconfig even if i pick the K8 architecture |
| 21:42.03 | DDubya | nvz: True. true. So making programs run as other users.. How is this possible? I've only seen it in .conf files I think |
| 21:42.07 | mptech | wintix, is Xen compatible with x64? |
| 21:42.12 | wintix | mptech: yes. |
| 21:42.15 | mptech | :D |
| 21:42.45 | nvz | DDubya: I for one took many clases in speed reading techniques.. I've also tried programs like the commecial windows app EyeQ which I honestly believe works in increasing reading speed and habbits from my experience.. but I seldom use the speed reading because of its lower rate of comprehension due to the bottleneck in my though speed |
| 21:42.47 | en1gma | im gonna ask in #nvidia brb |
| 21:42.49 | DDubya | nvz: do you have to create that user and assign directory rights to the programs files? |
| 21:42.51 | nvz | thought speed that is |
| 21:43.20 | dmilith | hey, i've got little question.. in which emulator do you suggest to try running mac os x (x86 version) |
| 21:43.24 | DDubya | nvz: I always speed read.. but I am a redundant speed reader ;) |
| 21:43.29 | nvz | DDubya: no, you just open them as that user.. I am logged in as nvz, I started this terminal and this screen session, and this irssi client as nvz.. they are running unprivlaged |
| 21:43.43 | mptech | DDubya, whatever you use, Xen won't work most likely |
| 21:43.48 | mptech | VMware is probably your best bet for that |
| 21:43.55 | mptech | but a native install is probably best tbh |
| 21:44.11 | nvz | DDubya: I have thought of trying to make a FOSS version of that EyeQ program cause I found it to be quite effective.. I nearly doubled my speed each time I used it |
| 21:44.56 | DDubya | nvz: please do! |
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| 21:44.56 | nvz | DDubya: cant say any speed reading tool, technique, or class I ever taken really helped with comprehension |
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| 21:45.24 | DDubya | nvz: never taken a class |
| 21:45.31 | nvz | DDubya: thats where you gotta do other things to increase your thinking speed.. I always liked that game "24" in highschool which helped keep your "gears" moving quickly. |
| 21:45.34 | DDubya | nvz: i just grew up reading thats all |
| 21:45.47 | DDubya | nvz: whats 24? |
| 21:46.03 | mptech | speed reading is a waste imho |
| 21:46.10 | mptech | when I read a book, I like to take the most I can from it |
| 21:46.17 | nvz | DDubya: you have cards with 4 numbers on them, and you lay them down on the table and everyone has to figure out how to make "24" out of those numbers using standard math |
| 21:46.22 | wintix | mptech: but maybe not from irc ;) |
| 21:46.27 | nvz | DDubya: good mental exercize |
| 21:46.39 | nvz | DDubya: not going to help reading comprehension though |
| 21:46.43 | markybob | is the current goal to stray as far away from the channel topic as possible? |
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| 21:46.49 | DDubya | heh heh |
| 21:46.51 | wintix | markybob: yes :) |
| 21:46.52 | mptech | markybob, yes |
| 21:46.58 | DDubya | yes =) |
| 21:47.04 | mptech | we will now move to UFOs |
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| 21:47.07 | DDubya | hahah |
| 21:47.13 | DDubya | And kittens |
| 21:47.13 | wintix | hehe |
| 21:47.13 | mptech | followed by cuts of meat |
| 21:47.28 | DDubya | then back to Debian |
| 21:47.32 | DDubya | only for a little =P |
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| 21:48.14 | nvz | DDubya: the idea of speed reading is based upon mostly rhythm, and training your muscles..which is what EyeQ does.. helps you exercize your eye muscles and train them to keep rythm.. the other things classes teach you is to overlook words to help maintain rhythm.. like google does.. removes common keywords like "The" from a search query unless its quoted. |
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| 21:48.58 | ustunozgur | I just stumbled across http://ianmurdock.com/?p=388 where Ian Murdock talks about how hard it can be to install software on Linux'es. One of the comments was very funny: Dear god - why does this article sound like it was written in 1999? Has the author ever used Ubuntu? Has the author ever even heard of Ubuntu???!!! I install software all the time without ever having to open a shell, and that IS the state of linux so |
| 21:48.58 | ustunozgur | ftware installation today. |
| 21:48.58 | nvz | DDubya: if you skip over any word less than 3 letters your mind will fill it in because of the understanding of grammar |
| 21:48.58 | DDubya | nvz: I'm usually to high for that sort of stuff =) |
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| 21:49.10 | wintix | ustunozgur: you know. you are in #debian. |
| 21:49.23 | tarzeau | ustunozgur: you know who ian is? |
| 21:49.26 | mptech | ustunozgur, synaptic is horrible software though |
| 21:49.27 | ustunozgur | yes. |
| 21:49.33 | tarzeau | ustunozgur: and not all linux is ubuntu |
| 21:49.33 | ustunozgur | the comment is funny |
| 21:49.36 | mptech | synaptic is slow, bloated, and unusable |
| 21:49.37 | ustunozgur | not ian. |
| 21:49.41 | tarzeau | ustunozgur: there's a lot of gentoo and rpm |
| 21:49.45 | ustunozgur | I know Ian. |
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| 21:49.52 | tarzeau | ustunozgur: it's nice when you can always have ubuntu whenever you want |
| 21:49.53 | nvz | DDubya: one exercize in a class I took had well known nursery rhymes printed out, but only the first and last letters were there for each word.. this too makes you recognise language as forms instead of words and letters |
| 21:49.58 | tarzeau | ustunozgur: not everyone has the choice |
| 21:50.02 | endr[a] | Guys? Anyone know why it can't detect any networks in iwlist scan? |
| 21:50.15 | tarzeau | ustunozgur: besides installing software on ubuntu can be a pain, it doesn't have many software that debian has |
| 21:50.23 | _Rubyxx | Hmm! I saw a one page document once about installing Java RE on Linux ....My heart almost failed |
| 21:50.36 | mzilikazi | endr[a]: iwconfig shows your card as up? |
| 21:50.47 | endr[a] | mzilikazi: yes. UP BROADCAST |
| 21:50.51 | ustunozgur | It was the commenters ignorance that made it funny. You understood me wrong. |
| 21:50.54 | DDubya | nvz: you ever seen that study they did with words where tehy tepyd lkie tihs and envn thuogh all the wrods are msesed up you can still raed it? |
| 21:51.07 | mzilikazi | ustunozgur: that is rich with irony :) |
| 21:51.19 | endr[a] | fhihfjsd |
| 21:51.23 | mzilikazi | asking Ian if he knows about apt-get hehe |
| 21:51.24 | endr[a] | wrong card. |
| 21:51.26 | DDubya | nvz: as long as the firt and last letter is in the right position you can read it like it was properly spelled |
| 21:51.26 | wintix | _Rubyxx: there even is a one liner. apt-get install sun-java5-jre :) |
| 21:51.28 | endr[a] | ifconfig eth1 up; fixed |
| 21:51.32 | nvz | DDubya: yeah.. thats the kind of thing I am talking about.. some people will just read what you mean and not what you wrote.. others will nit-pick |
| 21:51.36 | endr[a] | why doesn't it put it up on boot |
| 21:51.57 | DDubya | nvz: We are such monkeys with our high tech brains hahah |
| 21:52.00 | mzilikazi | endr[a]: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:52.01 | nhuis | does debian work ok on sparc? |
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| 21:52.05 | markybob | endr[a]: because you having read man interfaces |
| 21:52.05 | tarzeau | nhuis: yes |
| 21:52.07 | ustunozgur | I mean, that's like saying, you know Ian, there is a distribution called Debian. |
| 21:52.09 | nhuis | i have some sunblade 100's i need to install |
| 21:52.11 | markybob | endr[a]: s/having/havent |
| 21:52.12 | en1gma | hey all i need some help here |
| 21:52.14 | nhuis | so sick of using solaris on them |
| 21:52.23 | tarzeau | nhuis: yeah solaris is a major pita |
| 21:52.38 | endr[a] | markybob: so after reading man interfaces, it'll put it up on boot? |
| 21:52.38 | nhuis | i was going to upgrade from solaris 8 to 10 but screw that i'll just goto deb |
| 21:52.43 | mzilikazi | ustunozgur: from what I can tell alot of Ubuntu users think Ubuntu invented apt |
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| 21:52.51 | nhuis | lol mzilikazi |
| 21:52.52 | wintix | !tell endr[a] about ask |
| 21:52.56 | markybob | endr[a]: are you really that stupid? |
| 21:52.57 | en1gma | i installed debian i386 sid. i am going to build a new kernel and is it ok to pick K8 and then the install nvidias official x86 driver |
| 21:52.59 | nvz | DDubya: heh. yeah well I consider my inability to understand something to be my problem not someone else's.. so I try making my mental processes as adaptable as possible |
| 21:53.17 | endr[a] | markybob: yes, yes. |
| 21:53.19 | en1gma | eventhough its an x64 kernel |
| 21:53.31 | ustunozgur | mzilikazi: yeah, right :) |
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| 21:53.47 | _Rubyxx | wintix I was using Fedora |
| 21:54.09 | wintix | _Rubyxx: ;) |
| 21:54.31 | nvz | DDubya: I am very self aware of the inner workings of my mind.. and I have developed many thought processes which allow me to do the things I do.. I don't ever remember something I don't have to which I think contributes to my ability to remember long strings of random data for long periods of time when I need to.. like all my insanely long passwords.. |
| 21:55.02 | nvz | DDubya: yet I don't know any of my friend's phone numbers.. cause I just flip open my phone say "Name" followed by their name, and "Mobile, Home, Work..etc" |
| 21:55.04 | mptech | If I want to install sid, can I use the etch installer? |
| 21:55.12 | mptech | or do I have to use a daily image of the installer? |
| 21:55.15 | mzilikazi | w00t quitting time on friday! my favorite time |
| 21:55.24 | purplepenguins | you probably don't want sid.... |
| 21:55.27 | en1gma | i just noticed something....debian only has i386 and next step up is amd64? |
| 21:55.31 | en1gma | there is no i686? |
| 21:55.32 | mptech | purplepenguins, I'm running sid right now |
| 21:55.40 | DDubya | nvz: you need to smoke a joint! calm down that overworked brain ;) |
| 21:55.42 | mptech | purplepenguins, I just want to install an x64 version |
| 21:55.44 | tarzeau | mptech: etch is fine to install sid |
| 21:55.50 | sepski | en1gma, install the linux-kernel-2-6-i686 |
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| 21:56.01 | rahul | en1gma: 686 uses the 386 instruction set |
| 21:56.03 | purplepenguins | you can just install etch, and replace your sources with unstable and update |
| 21:56.06 | en1gma | sepski but every pkg in debian is still i386 isnt it |
| 21:56.15 | en1gma | so an i686 kernel dont do shit |
| 21:56.16 | mptech | purplepenguins, why waste the time? |
| 21:56.18 | purplepenguins | I don't think it would make sense to have a sid installer because the packages are always changing |
| 21:56.22 | en1gma | who in the hells idea was that |
| 21:56.26 | rahul | en1gma: you think it actually makes a difference? |
| 21:56.28 | wols | !gentoosmite en1gma |
| 21:56.29 | mptech | purplepenguins, which is why I'd use a netboot image... |
| 21:56.30 | tomdick | ok, so i've got two addresses on my servers network card. my iptables script only filters on one of them. there shouldn't be any freaky problem duplicating the existing entries and changing the destination ip? |
| 21:56.30 | markybob | en1gma: much smarter people than you |
| 21:56.31 | sepski | yes, since the benefit of recompiling everything into i386 is almost nill. |
| 21:56.35 | wols | en1gma: more like you don't know shit |
| 21:56.39 | sepski | but the disadvantages are many |
| 21:56.45 | purplepenguins | in any case i'm new here |
| 21:56.51 | pngwn | !wols++ |
| 21:56.56 | nvz | DDubya: heh I'm about to shortly.. a gf of mine tells me all the time that I think too much.. I think she's crazy.. my mind thinks even when I'm not willing it to.. if I dont supply suffecient input that I deem appropriate.. it wanders off on sociopathic thoughts of its own :P |
| 21:56.57 | purplepenguins | gentoo gets a lot of flak here |
| 21:56.57 | en1gma | well what gains does it do to have a distro that is i386 with an i686 kernel |
| 21:56.58 | en1gma | lol |
| 21:57.01 | en1gma | that is dumb |
| 21:57.10 | sepski | en1gma, no it's sane, and wise. |
| 21:57.17 | concept10 | no one knows shit in here |
| 21:57.20 | en1gma | why not just use an i386 kernel |
| 21:57.23 | purplepenguins | is there a real difference between i386 and i686? |
| 21:57.23 | wols | en1gma: can you inform yourself a bit more before you make a fool out of yourself? |
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| 21:57.30 | wintix | en1gma: why not just google? |
| 21:57.47 | en1gma | well i could be making a fool out of myself (i not attacking anyone) just wondering the logic |
| 21:57.49 | mptech | purplepenguins, very little |
| 21:57.52 | Alarm | purplepenguins, thats what i also would like to know, or 586 |
| 21:57.54 | DDubya | nvz: haha man I can relate to that... Until drugs found there way into my life (only once I might add.. Acid). Kinda made me not really care about that shit |
| 21:57.56 | wols | besides: debian is not compiled optimized for i386 |
| 21:58.01 | mptech | not noticeable |
| 21:58.11 | en1gma | so if someone would be kind enough to explain it to me i would appreciate it...please dont says cause i386 is stable so we stick with it |
| 21:58.12 | purplepenguins | in any case debian feels as fast to me as gentoo |
| 21:58.19 | concept10 | Hey guys, he is using kanotix FWIW |
| 21:58.20 | Alarm | well for what cpus is 686 and 386 meant to be ? |
| 21:58.30 | wols | concept10: en1gma is? |
| 21:58.30 | DDubya | en1gma cause i386 is stable and we stick with it |
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| 21:58.36 | Alarm | seems that more than 1 have that question |
| 21:58.38 | concept10 | wols: yes |
| 21:58.38 | en1gma | omg |
| 21:58.47 | wols | en1gma: go away |
| 21:59.05 | en1gma | sorry all i have to move on....i tried debian but i386 architecure is freaking 15 years old |
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| 21:59.11 | nvz | DDubya: well its occured to me.. that thoughts of illegal stuff are only trumped by the consequence.. and if you have enough intelligence to get away with it, then the only way to avoid doing it is to occupy your thoughts with something else. |
| 21:59.13 | en1gma | thanks to all who have helped me |
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| 21:59.20 | Vasistha | concept10: http://www.forwardedfunnies.com/jack_schitt_000664.html |
| 21:59.20 | tarzeau | en1gma: debian x86 doesn't support i386 |
| 21:59.27 | en1gma | what do you mean |
| 21:59.29 | DDubya | en1gma: whats wrong with i386. Age is a virtue my friend ;) |
| 21:59.30 | nvz | DDubya: when I get bored, I'm a crime waiting to happen |
| 21:59.34 | tarzeau | en1gma: the install kernel is a 486, then you can get an optimized kernel |
| 21:59.34 | Alarm | tarzeau, i also didnt get it |
| 21:59.36 | Vasistha | concept10: so, yes, we actually do know shit in here, believe it or not |
| 21:59.42 | tarzeau | DDubya: age? i386 is not old |
| 21:59.44 | en1gma | i386 dont even do sse or 3dnow |
| 21:59.46 | DDubya | nvz: hahah man me too |
| 21:59.47 | nvz | DDubya: so I keep my mind focused all the time.. which is why I sit in here supporting debian |
| 21:59.50 | wols | tarzeau: if you destroy his misconceptions, we might have to suffer another kanotix user. is that really worth it? |
| 22:00.07 | DDubya | tarzeau: i was referring to architech |
| 22:00.07 | markybob | i say let him leave |
| 22:00.17 | tarzeau | DDubya: so was i |
| 22:00.34 | Alarm | with names? would for example a prescot or nothrwood be a 686 , 586 or 386 series ? |
| 22:00.35 | en1gma | well if im mis-understanding something i would appreciate if you share your knowledge |
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| 22:00.39 | tarzeau | DDubya: 80386 computers are 32bit machines, there were 16 bit ones before, and heck 8bitters |
| 22:00.46 | sepski | en1gma, almost no software, talks directly to the cpu. the software use api's and the kernel. so recompiling them gives you no gain, but adds the need for huge amounts of storage. buildd time and complexity. the one place that cpu optimizations might make a difference is on the kernel. so the kernel is provided in the various flavours you'd might have. |
| 22:00.47 | wols | Alarm: it's a i686 |
| 22:00.53 | wintix | markybob: someone stopped him ;) |
| 22:01.08 | sepski | en1gma, now i saved you the need of googleing, |
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| 22:01.10 | purplepenguins | just saying that it is i386 doesn't mean that the software is written only for i386 |
| 22:01.13 | nvz | well I haven't heard from my buddy in like 4 hours.. he said he was down to do something hours ago.. so I am leaving to go find his ass.. heh |
| 22:01.26 | DDubya | tarzeau: Oh i know this.. but i386 is still getting pushed out.. eventually |
| 22:01.29 | tarzeau | nvz: hehe |
| 22:01.42 | purplepenguins | x86 is an ancient architecture by now, doesn't mean that there is anything wrong with it |
| 22:01.55 | wols | purplepenguins: there is a LOT of things wrong with it |
| 22:02.01 | wols | basically there is nothing right with it actually |
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| 22:02.02 | en1gma | sepski thanks...so sse, sse2, sse3 ,sse4, !3dnow, and think the new 3dnow are nut utilized by apps programmed for i386 right? |
| 22:02.03 | purplepenguins | I didn't say there weren't |
| 22:02.09 | sepski | the only thing right about it is it's market share :P |
| 22:02.30 | en1gma | compilied for i86 i should say |
| 22:02.35 | en1gma | i386* |
| 22:02.36 | purplepenguins | well, everyone uses it... |
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| 22:02.49 | wols | en1gma: debian will not run on a i386. at least etch won't |
| 22:02.51 | purplepenguins | except those silly sun people |
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| 22:03.11 | purplepenguins | and the itanium |
| 22:03.15 | en1gma | wols then its not a true i386 arch per say? |
| 22:03.25 | tarzeau | en1gma: it's a linux problem |
| 22:03.27 | wols | Pinnen: or the silly IBM people. or the silly freescale people, or the sill ARM people or the silly hitachi people, or the... need I go on? |
| 22:03.35 | purplepenguins | the original debian would have |
| 22:03.36 | h3sp4wn | I only know of imlib2 that uses any of those multimedia extensions properly - compilers aren't good enough |
| 22:03.41 | tarzeau | en1gma: the linux kernel stopped supporting i386 because of some fpu security thing i think |
| 22:03.44 | Alarm | when installing lets say a generic kernel , what architecture is that one based one ? 386 ? |
| 22:03.47 | purplepenguins | debian was started in like 1994 |
| 22:03.50 | valdyn | purplepenguins: depending on which class of 'computers' you look at, 386 is a tiny minority |
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| 22:04.01 | purplepenguins | I meant x86 in general |
| 22:04.13 | wols | Alarm: debian (and the kernel) supports about a dozen architectures |
| 22:04.15 | valdyn | purplepenguins: and x86 is a tiny minority just the same |
| 22:04.16 | purplepenguins | and yeah, I did exclude ARM and other things like that |
| 22:04.20 | wols | there is no "generic kernel" |
| 22:04.22 | XLV | anyhow all x86 cpus now just use decoders to decode x86 commands into other risc like commands that can be highly parallelized, so the disadvantages of original x86 arch have little importance |
| 22:04.25 | en1gma | omg i am confused more then ever.....not your fault im still just taking it all in... |
| 22:04.25 | ChangedNick | hello all |
| 22:04.26 | tarzeau | wols: don't forget debian gnu/kfreebsd |
| 22:04.28 | purplepenguins | alpha is obsolete isn't it? |
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| 22:04.34 | en1gma | cant even think of my next question to say |
| 22:04.46 | tarzeau | purplepenguins: i've got one under my desk, and mips, sparc, powerpc, hppa too |
| 22:04.48 | ChangedNick | is ADSL usb modem supported in Etch? |
| 22:04.55 | sepski | en1gma, the kernel talks to the hardware. the programs to api's so if the kernel utilizes them, they are used. |
| 22:04.56 | tarzeau | purplepenguins: when is a computer obsolete? |
| 22:04.58 | purplepenguins | there is powerpc, which isn't popular now that mac uses intel |
| 22:05.03 | xand | ChangedNick: depends on what model etc |
| 22:05.11 | wols | ChangedNick: rarely. depends on the modem. get a ethernet based one |
| 22:05.13 | purplepenguins | I mentioned sparc, forgot about mips |
| 22:05.15 | ChangedNick | xand Zyxel |
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| 22:05.18 | purplepenguins | pesky mips |
| 22:05.21 | endr[a] | I created my /etc/networks/interfaces file for 'eth1' but when I do ifdown eth1 it says eth1 isn't configured, how come? |
| 22:05.28 | wols | purplepenguins: ALL current game consoles use PPC. and you say it's not popular? |
| 22:05.33 | en1gma | does selecting which processor you have in menuconfig change the sse and 3dnow settings |
| 22:05.45 | valdyn | en1gma: you'd have to 'ifup' it first |
| 22:05.53 | valdyn | endr[a]: you'd have to 'ifup' it first |
| 22:05.56 | purplepenguins | I thought they used mips now |
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| 22:06.07 | en1gma | !ifup |
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| 22:06.17 | wols | purplepenguins: you're about 10-15 years too late. PS1 used MIPS |
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| 22:06.30 | purplepenguins | but I don't know that many people who install linux on game consoles |
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| 22:06.47 | XLV | purplepenguins, on xbox 1 it was common |
| 22:06.49 | purplepenguins | though admittedly it will be more popular now |
| 22:06.56 | purplepenguins | with the ps3 |
| 22:07.01 | en1gma | i just want to know do we have all the new features avail to us when we install i386 distro then switch our processor in menuconfig to the processor in our box |
| 22:07.02 | XLV | purplepenguins, the best low cost media player |
| 22:07.17 | purplepenguins | $600 isn't that low cost though |
| 22:07.20 | valdyn | en1gma: sure |
| 22:07.29 | endr[a] | valdyn: okay, if I did iface eth1 inet dhcp, it should automaticly get the ip, correct? |
| 22:07.30 | XLV | purplepenguins, xbox 1 not the 360 |
| 22:07.37 | pickcoder | they're taking a huge loss on all the PS3s |
| 22:07.39 | en1gma | valdyn thanks |
| 22:07.40 | valdyn | endr[a]: yea |
| 22:07.46 | xand | purplepenguins: plenty of linux installations on xboxes, including mine :P |
| 22:07.48 | pickcoder | bad planning in general on that whole deal |
| 22:07.48 | purplepenguins | oh, I thought you meant the PS3, the xbox is cheap, and quite nice |
| 22:08.33 | purplepenguins | the best thing to do with an xbox is mod it and put linux or xmpp or whatever it's called on it |
| 22:08.33 | endr[a] | valdyn: I don't think it is. dhclient seems to run but.. it just repeats with a different interval, and I still see no ip |
| 22:08.49 | en1gma | if all packages are built as i386 in the i386 distro then they dont take advantage of alot of features....that is why you can build firefox with i686 or x64 |
| 22:08.53 | valdyn | endr[a]: that isnt dhclient's fault |
| 22:08.54 | en1gma | or i586 |
| 22:09.07 | valdyn | en1gma: meaning that your dhcp server might not be there answering |
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| 22:09.26 | valdyn | en1gma: ops |
| 22:09.26 | en1gma | firefox (i686) does run better then (i386) |
| 22:09.27 | valdyn | endr[a]: meaning that your dhcp server might not be there answering |
| 22:09.27 | tarzeau | en1gma: crap software doesn't get better when it's compiled with some more optimizations on |
| 22:09.34 | tarzeau | en1gma: firefox? it crawls like shit |
| 22:09.35 | en1gma | yes it does espicially sse |
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| 22:09.47 | en1gma | multimedia extensions help alot |
| 22:09.52 | valdyn | en1gma: debian software is optmised for 586 |
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| 22:10.02 | tarzeau | valdyn: is it? |
| 22:10.02 | en1gma | ok thats what i was looking for |
| 22:10.21 | en1gma | so when we install i386 all apps are still optimized for i586 at minimum |
| 22:10.23 | valdyn | en1gma: multimedia extensions usually require more than just compilation but explicit assembler in the code. few programs have that |
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| 22:10.38 | valdyn | en1gma: right |
| 22:10.43 | en1gma | ok than all is good |
| 22:11.02 | en1gma | wow i thought i was learning deibian in vain for a minute there |
| 22:11.16 | valdyn | en1gma: mplayer would be one example, you'll see when you start it and read the first few lines of output |
| 22:11.20 | tarzeau | valdyn: assembler in the code? and what about portability? |
| 22:11.43 | en1gma | is there a "PURE x64" version of debian? |
| 22:11.51 | tarzeau | en1gma: yes? |
| 22:11.53 | en1gma | and if there is, is it maintaned pretty good? |
| 22:12.00 | tarzeau | en1gma: yes |
| 22:12.01 | valdyn | tarzeau: that's just more work for the mplayer devs |
| 22:12.05 | en1gma | i got to get that |
| 22:12.10 | en1gma | :) |
| 22:12.10 | valdyn | tarzeau: having to write pieces of code several times |
| 22:12.26 | en1gma | is debian pure x64 supported here? |
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| 22:12.32 | tarzeau | en1gma: sure |
| 22:12.34 | en1gma | nice |
| 22:12.41 | valdyn | en1gma: amd64 |
| 22:12.49 | valdyn | en1gma: x64 just confuses |
| 22:12.54 | en1gma | is it PURE x64 where there are no linkers |
| 22:13.05 | en1gma | and libs that are x86 |
| 22:13.10 | valdyn | en1gma: now you are confused |
| 22:13.21 | en1gma | i used to run slamd64 too |
| 22:13.24 | xand | 128-bit is where it's at |
| 22:13.31 | _Rubyxx | sorry can I have that one line apt-get instruction for Java re again...I got disconnected |
| 22:13.41 | en1gma | so i know about apps that are actually x86 with linkers to x64 calls |
| 22:13.54 | wintix | _Rubyxx: are you on etch? |
| 22:13.55 | valdyn | en1gma: debian does not do that trickery |
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| 22:14.02 | claudio` | 'night * |
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| 22:14.13 | valdyn | en1gma: ( except for wine, and explicit 32bit libraries ) |
| 22:14.21 | en1gma | so in pure 64 there is no way to run divx or avi even if you dload the codec pack right |
| 22:14.41 | valdyn | en1gma: umm, there's 64 bit support for all those things now |
| 22:14.54 | en1gma | gawd has it been that long since i ran it :) |
| 22:15.17 | valdyn | en1gma: you cannot use w32codecs running debians amd64 mplayer. but that has not been an issue for me lately as anything was supported |
| 22:15.24 | en1gma | there should be no /usr/libs only /usr/lib64 right |
| 22:15.31 | valdyn | en1gma: no |
| 22:15.32 | _Rubyxx | I just installed Debian yesterday so I am not familiar with the package yet....but I d o not think I am on Etch, but how can I double check this |
| 22:15.40 | wintix | _Rubyxx: 'apt-cache search java sun' will show you some nice java packages you can install. normally you only want to have sun-java5-jre or sun-java6-jre. and you probably will need to have non-free added to you sources.list |
| 22:16.40 | wintix | _Rubyxx: 'cat /etc/debian_version' will tell you which version you have. |
| 22:16.41 | valdyn | en1gma: /usr/lib is the place for the libraries fitting your system architecture. its the place for 64-bit libraries on a 64-bit distro |
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| 22:16.49 | en1gma | wow slamd64 must have done it, its own way then cause it was like windows with "Program files" and "Program Files x64" |
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| 22:17.00 | endra | brb rebooting router |
| 22:17.18 | en1gma | but with libs instead |
| 22:17.29 | _Rubyxx | ok |
| 22:17.32 | valdyn | en1gma: most distros used 32-bit packages of various software even on the 64-bit distro. Debian never did this |
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| 22:17.42 | en1gma | omg i never new that |
| 22:17.49 | en1gma | debian x64 sounds freaking sweet then |
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| 22:18.39 | valdyn | en1gma: only revently debian/amd64 got wine, which runs only on 32-bit |
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| 22:19.57 | frankr | I'm trying to compile wine in amd64 debian and I keep getting this error: configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 22:20.24 | stew | frankr: you need to install build-essential |
| 22:20.26 | en1gma | i remember in kernel menuconfig there was an option to disable backwards compatability with x86 |
| 22:20.31 | en1gma | i dont know if its still there or not |
| 22:20.38 | stew | frankr: however, i didn't think running wine on amd64 was possible |
| 22:20.42 | frankr | stew, its installe,d and has been installed |
| 22:20.45 | frankr | for a very long time |
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| 22:20.59 | frankr | I used to have wine working then I setup a 32bit chroot and everything broke into tiny pieces |
| 22:21.04 | valdyn | frankr: what's wrong with 'apt-get install wine' ? |
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| 22:21.05 | stew | frankr: then you are probably specifying a compiler flag that is invalid for your compiler |
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| 22:21.08 | frankr | old version |
| 22:21.18 | en1gma | cant wine be compiled as x64 |
| 22:21.21 | frankr | en1gma, no |
| 22:21.23 | en1gma | everything can cant it |
| 22:21.24 | frankr | only as 32bit |
| 22:21.42 | en1gma | i thought as long as we had the sources we can compile what ever we want to x64 |
| 22:21.49 | valdyn | frankr: you will certainly need to patch the build system or at least give plenty of hints to ./configure wine to build wine on debian/amd64 |
| 22:22.21 | XMR2F77 | what is the difference between sid and testing? |
| 22:22.30 | en1gma | sid is unstable |
| 22:22.32 | valdyn | en1gma: wine has to run 32-bit code, its not a cpu emulator |
| 22:22.44 | tarzeau | XMR2F77: sid has more and newer software |
| 22:22.54 | wintix | XMR2F77: /msg dpkg testing and /msg dpkg sid |
| 22:22.57 | en1gma | ok so how does wine install then if its x86 on a x64 system |
| 22:22.57 | karsten | XMR2F77: http://www.debian.org/releases |
| 22:23.04 | wintix | tarzeau: don't make him want it ;) |
| 22:23.06 | valdyn | en1gma: and in order to run 32-bit ( windows binaries ) it has to be a 32-bit only app, even if it compiled cleanly on amd64 it would not do anything useful |
| 22:23.13 | tarzeau | wintix: :) |
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| 22:23.33 | en1gma | so it can be a x64 package that runs in 32bit mode? |
| 22:23.36 | valdyn | en1gma: an amd64 system runs 32-bit binaries just fine |
| 22:23.51 | pickcoder | with ia32-libs |
| 22:23.54 | en1gma | yea but i thought you said there was none with debian amd64 |
| 22:24.08 | stew | XMR2F77: sid gets packages uploaded to it daily that have had little or no testing, and therefore could be very broken. after a package has been in unstable for a few days to a few weeks it moves to testing if its less buggy than what it is replacing in testing |
| 22:24.10 | valdyn | en1gma: i said a few times that wine is the first and only program |
| 22:24.12 | en1gma | yes those ia32-libs im remembering |
| 22:24.18 | xitron | pff I have a weir problem, I build an installed correctly the acx100 driver but when I put in my card is doesn't see my card.... anyone have solution? |
| 22:24.19 | en1gma | those were what slamd64 used |
| 22:24.29 | en1gma | just double checking :) |
| 22:24.29 | valdyn | en1gma: there have been libraries for 3rd party applications for a long time |
| 22:24.42 | en1gma | ok but debian amd64 dont come with em |
| 22:24.45 | en1gma | that is still sweet |
| 22:24.54 | en1gma | so it actually is pure x64 |
| 22:24.56 | valdyn | en1gma: umm |
| 22:25.21 | valdyn | en1gma: debian/amd64 includes optionally quite some 32-bit libraries, but NO 32-bit applications, EXCEPT wine |
| 22:25.26 | xitron | ... |
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| 22:25.47 | en1gma | when it gets installed it dont create a dir for x86 and one for x64 for the libs? that would be created when wine or some 32bit app installs? |
| 22:26.06 | en1gma | oh so it does install a 32bit dir |
| 22:26.08 | en1gma | ok |
| 22:26.11 | en1gma | same as slamd64 |
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| 22:26.45 | en1gma | but you can a script in slamd64 to remove all that so it effectively does become true x64 |
| 22:26.45 | purplepenguins | hmm |
| 22:26.51 | valdyn | xitron: how do you know your card is not seen? |
| 22:27.17 | xitron | valdyn, try to see it with kwifimanager and iwconfig |
| 22:27.29 | valdyn | xitron: but it is in lspci ? |
| 22:27.36 | XMR2F77 | the packages are upgrading to fit newer hardware? |
| 22:27.40 | xitron | valdyn, no |
| 22:27.51 | valdyn | xitron: what is it? usb? |
| 22:27.51 | xitron | valdyn, debian just don't see my card |
| 22:27.55 | xitron | PCMI |
| 22:28.01 | xitron | valdyn, PCMIA |
| 22:28.02 | valdyn | xitron: cardbus? |
| 22:28.11 | en1gma | anyone know that option in menuconfig to disable backward compatability with x86 in the x64 kernel |
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| 22:28.38 | xitron | valdyn, http://computer-reviews.net/wp-content/uploads/D-Link%20DWL-650%2011Mbps%20802.11b%20Wireless%20LAN%20PCMCIA%20Card.jpg |
| 22:29.00 | valdyn | xitron: most likely cardbus, but from that picture i can hardly see that |
| 22:29.10 | xitron | valdyn, it's cardbus |
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| 22:29.45 | valdyn | xitron: if it doesnt show in lspci, that means that you have no functional driver for your pcmcia interface |
| 22:29.50 | wintix | en1gma: Executable file formats / Emulations - IA32 Emulation |
| 22:29.59 | valdyn | xitron: acx100 only works ON TOP of that |
| 22:30.11 | ravn | anyone have exp. with scanners? I tried xsane with a Canon USB. But the scanners only sounds alot and the program craches. And I have to be root to fins the scanner at all... |
| 22:30.13 | xitron | valdyn, on ubuntu I build and installed the acx100 (the same) and it works |
| 22:30.16 | en1gma | so if that is disabled then NO x86 app will work right |
| 22:30.23 | valdyn | xitron: thats useless info |
| 22:30.23 | en1gma | wintix btw thanks |
| 22:30.25 | valdyn | xitron: uname -r |
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| 22:30.37 | wintix | en1gma: try reading the helptext in menuconfig. |
| 22:30.46 | xitron | valdyn, debian kernel is 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 22:30.57 | en1gma | i think i did (along time ago) and it said no 32bit app will work |
| 22:31.02 | en1gma | dont disable is recommended |
| 22:31.03 | valdyn | xitron: lsmod | grep yenta |
| 22:31.27 | xitron | valdyn, pcmcia_core 36852 3 pcmcia,yenta_socket,rsrc_nonstatic |
| 22:31.51 | valdyn | xitron: ok, 'lspci', paste the output |
| 22:31.52 | en1gma | valdyn you have amd64 with x64 debian right? |
| 22:32.02 | xitron | valdyn, paste, use pastebin .. |
| 22:32.08 | valdyn | en1gma: there's debian/amd64, x64 is your invention |
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| 22:32.24 | en1gma | well yea |
| 22:32.29 | en1gma | you know what i mean |
| 22:32.31 | valdyn | en1gma: yes i do |
| 22:32.48 | en1gma | is there a way (an option) to not install that ia32-libs |
| 22:32.49 | xitron | valdyn, http://pastebin.ca/483842 |
| 22:32.58 | en1gma | just a straight everything = x64 |
| 22:33.10 | valdyn | en1gma: that's default |
| 22:33.23 | en1gma | thats why i was saying an option |
| 22:33.43 | valdyn | xitron: so your card is seen: 03:00.0 Network controller: Texas Instruments ACX 100 22Mbps Wireless Interface |
| 22:33.51 | en1gma | or are you saying the 32bit libs do not get installed until you install wine |
| 22:33.54 | xitron | valdyn, ow sorry :s |
| 22:33.55 | en1gma | or similar app |
| 22:34.07 | valdyn | en1gma: wine is the only app |
| 22:34.14 | xitron | valdyn, ok it is the right driver now? :s |
| 22:34.28 | valdyn | en1gma: i32-libs is not installed unless you install those explicitely or a package that depends on ia32-libs |
| 22:34.43 | en1gma | wine is a 32bit app yes....but does it install the 32bit libs when you install IT or are the 32bit libs installed at the time you install the amd64 distro |
| 22:34.45 | valdyn | xitron: this has nothing to do with a driver yet |
| 22:34.55 | en1gma | ok then thats the perfect distro |
| 22:34.59 | valdyn | xitron: is acx100 currently loaded? |
| 22:35.00 | xitron | valdyn, pff but iwconfig doesn't see it |
| 22:35.05 | en1gma | i going to disable that 32bit emulation in kernel too |
| 22:35.08 | xitron | valdyn, how do I check thaht |
| 22:35.18 | xitron | lsmod .. |
| 22:35.29 | valdyn | xitron: because iwconfig queries information provided by drivers, lspci does not |
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| 22:35.46 | xitron | valdyn, ow |
| 22:36.04 | xitron | valdyn, how do I see the drivers are loaded? |
| 22:36.11 | valdyn | xitron: with lsmod |
| 22:36.13 | xitron | lsmod | grep acx? |
| 22:36.16 | valdyn | xitron: lsmod | grep acx |
| 22:36.20 | xitron | ok |
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| 22:36.37 | xitron | valdyn, usbcore 112644 5 acx,usbhid,ehci_hcd,ohci_hcd |
| 22:36.42 | valdyn | en1gma: disabling that emulation isnt good for anything really |
| 22:36.51 | xitron | valdyn, firmware_class 9600 2 acx,pcmcia |
| 22:37.05 | xitron | valdyn, acx 127880 0 |
| 22:37.15 | valdyn | xitron: the acx100 driver is actually called acx then? |
| 22:37.19 | en1gma | valdyn if thats disabled then if i tried to install wine (it wouldnt let me right)( |
| 22:37.21 | en1gma | ? |
| 22:37.29 | wintix | !tell en1gma about enter |
| 22:37.31 | en1gma | or if i tried to install some 32bit app |
| 22:37.31 | xitron | valdyn, no just acx100 |
| 22:37.59 | valdyn | xitron: what's acx then? i think you might be wrong |
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| 22:38.27 | valdyn | !acx100 |
| 22:38.27 | dpkg | methinks acx100 is wireless internet card chipset that is a royal pain to install, but if you go to http://www.houseofcraig.net/acx100_howto.php you will be able to have your card up and running in an hour (hopefully). http://acx100.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 22:38.42 | xitron | valdyn, I download this source : ACX100/ACX111 wireless network drivers from apt then use modules-assistant to build and install |
| 22:39.03 | valdyn | xitron: 'modinfo acx100' |
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| 22:39.23 | en1gma | is there anyway to get restriction on apt-get or synaptic to only install 64bit packages |
| 22:39.27 | xitron | valdyn, didn't find :s |
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| 22:39.41 | valdyn | en1gma: you dont get 32-bit packages by mistake |
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| 22:39.48 | valdyn | xitron: ok, its acx |
| 22:39.48 | en1gma | yea thats true |
| 22:39.51 | en1gma | :) |
| 22:40.04 | wintix | en1gma: what's your problem with the 32bit stuff? |
| 22:40.07 | xitron | valdyn, that strange wya apt called it acx100/acx111 :s |
| 22:40.14 | en1gma | idk...i think i have OCD |
| 22:40.18 | valdyn | xitron: i already know your error, but, run "modprobe -r acx && modprobe acx" and also run "dmesg" and read |
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| 22:40.30 | en1gma | or is it the penus thing |
| 22:40.40 | en1gma | either way it sounds cool |
| 22:40.47 | stoned | dude |
| 22:40.48 | stoned | wtf |
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| 22:41.10 | stoned | I comein here and I see people talking about penises |
| 22:41.12 | stoned | wtf is going on |
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| 22:41.15 | en1gma | lol |
| 22:41.16 | wintix | :D |
| 22:41.20 | en1gma | my car is better then your car |
| 22:41.32 | en1gma | im going to get a ferrrari someday .... :) |
| 22:41.33 | valdyn | stoned: just someone being honest on why he needs debian/amd64 |
| 22:41.34 | stoned | this is not the place for it |
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| 22:41.50 | en1gma | ok ill be back in a bit |
| 22:41.54 | en1gma | thanks alot everyone |
| 22:42.03 | xitron | valdyn, acx: this driver is still EXPERIMENTAL |
| 22:42.03 | xitron | acx: reading README file and/or Craig's HOWTO is recommended, visit http://acx100.sf.net in case of further questions/discussion |
| 22:42.03 | xitron | acx: compiled to use 32bit I/O access. I/O timing issues might occur, such as non-working firmware upload. Report them |
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| 22:42.34 | valdyn | xitron: that's all? |
| 22:42.46 | xitron | yea and lots of other information of my px |
| 22:42.58 | xitron | valdyn, acx_pci: probe of 0000:03:00.0 failed with error -5 |
| 22:43.20 | xitron | valdyn, acx: firmware image 'tiacx100' was not provided. Check your hotplug scripts |
| 22:43.20 | xitron | acx: reset_dev() FAILED |
| 22:43.34 | xitron | valdyn, acx: found ACX100-based wireless network card at 0000:03:00.0, irq:11, phymem1:0x34010000, phymem2:0x34000000, mem1:0xe095a00 |
| 22:43.41 | valdyn | xitron: stop |
| 22:43.52 | xitron | valdyn, yea I know too much :-) |
| 22:44.02 | valdyn | xitron: you need to download the firmware and copy it to /lib/firmware |
| 22:44.10 | xitron | valdyn, ok tnx |
| 22:44.36 | valdyn | xitron: dpkg mentioned a HOWTO above. You dont need anything but the stuff about firmware from that HOWTO |
| 22:44.51 | xitron | valdyn, ok tnx |
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| 22:52.37 | krekon | my famd works for two hours using the whole cpu. Is it normal or I have to kill the process? |
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| 22:53.29 | krekon | do you know anything about famd? |
| 22:54.22 | tarzeau | it's the processes i need to kill, that hang around |
| 22:54.23 | purplepenguins | i'm hungry |
| 22:54.31 | tarzeau | purplepenguins: nothing in the fridge or kitchen? |
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| 22:55.15 | purplepenguins | has anyone ever used the pizza party package? |
| 22:55.18 | valdyn | krekon: are you running kde? |
| 22:55.23 | krekon | yes |
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| 22:55.30 | purplepenguins | http://www.beigerecords.com/cory/pizza_party/ |
| 22:55.36 | malv2 | where can I find the boot log? |
| 22:55.43 | valdyn | krekon: check the bts and repot a bug if you cant find your issue there |
| 22:55.44 | malv2 | I need to see why my services did not start up properly |
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| 22:56.03 | valdyn | malv2: which service? |
| 22:56.05 | krekon | valdyn bts? |
| 22:56.08 | valdyn | !bts |
| 22:56.09 | dpkg | bts is probably the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 22:56.28 | bts3685|work | rofl purplepenguins, was this an april fool's prank? |
| 22:56.31 | malv2 | for some reason autofs isn't starting properly |
| 22:56.40 | malv2 | and I need to see why that is |
| 22:57.01 | malv2 | I am using ubuntu, but my question is more general |
| 22:57.06 | purplepenguins | I installed it once I think |
| 22:57.10 | krekon | ok. the famd probably triggerd from the clamAV scanning |
| 22:57.11 | malv2 | which is how do I see the boot log |
| 22:57.14 | valdyn | malv2: read the standard log files |
| 22:57.22 | valdyn | malv2: the boot log is pointless for this |
| 22:57.24 | malv2 | valdyn: which ones? |
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| 22:57.35 | valdyn | malv2: is autofs a daemon? |
| 22:57.38 | en1gma | in the amd64 kernel is there a setting for smp? the reason i ask is because amd64 doesnt mean amd64 x2 |
| 22:57.45 | malv2 | dunno |
| 22:57.57 | valdyn | malv2: boot log would only show 'starting autofs....failed', not more |
| 22:58.09 | en1gma | i dont ever remember a setting for smp |
| 22:58.16 | malv2 | right, but its failing due to nis not starting properly |
| 22:58.18 | valdyn | en1gma: it's there |
| 22:58.21 | purplepenguins | currently it is giving me perl errors |
| 22:58.25 | en1gma | ok |
| 22:58.29 | en1gma | dont remember it though |
| 22:58.33 | en1gma | maybe its called somehting else |
| 22:58.36 | valdyn | en1gma: and all debian kernels have it enabled because the overhead is small |
| 22:58.36 | malv2 | but nis is timing out or something |
| 22:58.54 | purplepenguins | it is real though |
| 22:58.55 | valdyn | malv2: /var/log/daemon.log |
| 22:59.07 | en1gma | yea i figured it was but dont ever remember coming across it |
| 22:59.12 | purplepenguins | you have to be signed up to quickaccount with dominos, but if you are, it will log in and order your pizza |
| 22:59.24 | tarzeau | dominos pizza is best! |
| 22:59.46 | en1gma | dominos is good but i do like pizza hut non-delivery |
| 22:59.57 | mumbles | no no no - dominos is crap |
| 23:00.10 | mumbles | they keep on dropping there leaflets here and they then wont deliver |
| 23:00.12 | rokra | please someone already used john the ripper? |
| 23:00.23 | tarzeau | rokra: yes |
| 23:00.46 | malv2 | valdyn: thanks |
| 23:00.52 | xitron | valdyn, just download the firmwire in /lib/firm.. still doesn't work |
| 23:01.03 | xitron | valdyn, with the craig.. |
| 23:01.15 | valdyn | xitron: and the error is still the same? |
| 23:01.17 | purplepenguins | pizza hut has nice pizza too |
| 23:01.20 | bts3685|work | ! |
| 23:01.23 | bts3685|work | bitchin |
| 23:01.32 | valdyn | xitron: what did you do to make it work? reloaded the module? |
| 23:01.33 | bts3685|work | maybe there'll be a pizza hut fork of the project |
| 23:01.33 | xitron | valdyn, that's the weird thing I just get none error |
| 23:01.49 | xitron | valdyn, mhh that's and idea how do I reload modules? |
| 23:01.55 | en1gma | wow....all this talk about different arches got me thinking....if any of you have ran win x64 then you know IE comes in 2 flavors...32bit and 64bit....i was just wondering how many of the windows apps are not true x64bit |
| 23:02.11 | valdyn | xitron: 'modprobe -r acx && modprobe acx' after that check dmesg again |
| 23:02.21 | wintix | en1gma: go away. |
| 23:02.22 | en1gma | i guarantee its backwards compatible too cause ie is 32bit or 64bit |
| 23:03.09 | en1gma | well it was just a thought... |
| 23:03.15 | xitron | valdyn, still the same |
| 23:03.36 | valdyn | en1gma: ls -l your firmware |
| 23:03.39 | rokra | tarzeau: I l trying to decrypt a file ( htpasswd) but it s not working error : No password hashes loaded |
| 23:03.45 | rokra | tarzeau: have u an idea? |
| 23:03.47 | valdyn | !acx100 |
| 23:03.47 | dpkg | methinks acx100 is wireless internet card chipset that is a royal pain to install, but if you go to http://www.houseofcraig.net/acx100_howto.php you will be able to have your card up and running in an hour (hopefully). http://acx100.sourceforge.net/ |
| 23:03.57 | purplepenguins | http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2004/May/0347.html |
| 23:03.59 | en1gma | valdyn? |
| 23:04.07 | purplepenguins | hmm, the pizza_party app has poor security |
| 23:04.08 | en1gma | my bios? |
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| 23:04.28 | valdyn | en1gma: sorry, wrong target |
| 23:04.33 | valdyn | xitron: ls -l your firmware |
| 23:04.36 | tarzeau | rokra: no idea |
| 23:04.43 | en1gma | :) |
| 23:04.44 | tarzeau | rokra: never used it for something like that |
| 23:04.52 | rokra | tarzeau: ok |
| 23:04.55 | en1gma | i didnt even know you could ls -l firmware |
| 23:04.58 | xitron | valdyn, all root |
| 23:05.02 | tvynr | I think I may have been mistaken earlier when I claimed that I got anything to work wireless-wise. I can't get any clients to associate with my hostAP daemon. Anyone have a moment? |
| 23:05.04 | valdyn | xitron: paste the output |
| 23:05.20 | xitron | valdyn, citix:/lib/firmware# ls -l |
| 23:05.20 | xitron | total 164 |
| 23:05.20 | xitron | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 42324 2007-05-12 00:56 ACX100_USB.bin |
| 23:05.20 | xitron | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 936 2007-05-12 00:56 RADIO0d.BIN |
| 23:05.20 | xitron | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 964 2007-05-12 00:56 RADIO11.BIN |
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| 23:05.32 | wintix | tvynr: don't ask to ask. |
| 23:05.33 | en1gma | ok just burnt amd64 see you all in about 45mins or so |
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| 23:05.58 | tvynr | wintix: Er... I'm not exactly sure what to ask. This seems to be part of the problem. |
| 23:05.59 | xitron | that's the reasdon wya I don't like pasting :-) |
| 23:06.00 | GhostlyDeath | !damn asking |
| 23:06.02 | valdyn | xitron: now compare that filename to the one in your error in dmesg |
| 23:06.09 | irule | hi I got 2 nics and I can ping to one of them but the other one does not respond, but when I put on the cable the screen does say link up, and if I disconnect I see the link down message, how may this be fiexed? thanks |
| 23:06.19 | karsten | !tell xitron about paster |
| 23:06.25 | xitron | valdyn, wich filename? |
| 23:06.26 | karsten | xitron: paste to a pastebin. |
| 23:06.37 | valdyn | xitron: its just 3 |
| 23:06.39 | xitron | karsten, I know but valdyn says to paste it here sorry |
| 23:07.04 | tarzeau | STINKY PETE |
| 23:07.13 | tarzeau | i want debian "stinky pete" |
| 23:07.23 | xitron | valdyn, witch 3? :s |
| 23:07.38 | purplepenguins | IRC steals soul |
| 23:07.48 | purplepenguins | I have been up for six hours and I haven't left the computer |
| 23:07.49 | wintix | xitron: the first three lines got in here. use pastebin.ca or something to paste. |
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| 23:08.03 | wintix | purplepenguins: common problem ;) |
| 23:08.07 | xitron | oow sorry :s confused |
| 23:08.40 | xitron | http://pastebin.ca/483907 |
| 23:08.42 | purplepenguins | but I almost have debian configured now |
| 23:09.10 | irule | hi I got 2 nics and I can ping to one of them but the other one does not respond, but when I put on the cable the screen does say link up, and if I disconnect I see the link down message, how may this be fiexed? thanks, PLUS! if I connect the cable to the eth0 I can ping and get a response from both eth0 and eth1, but if I put the cable on eth1, I get network unreachable from both eth0 and eth1 |
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| 23:09.29 | purplepenguins | fixed xorg, configured conky, iptables, pidgin, iceweasel, and I'm trying to get madwifi to work |
| 23:09.49 | wintix | irule: man interfaces |
| 23:09.57 | irule | ok thanks |
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| 23:10.30 | wintix | purplepenguins: /msg dpkg madwifi-install |
| 23:10.43 | valdyn | xitron: read the HOWTO again. You have no usb device, still you seem to have renamed the firmware image to _usb.bin |
| 23:10.44 | purplepenguins | I installed it but the configuration is annoying |
| 23:10.57 | xitron | valdyn, :s ok |
| 23:12.08 | valdyn | xitron: For the acx100 they are named: RADIO0d.BIN, RADIO11.BIN, RADIO15.BIN, and WLANGEN.BIN |
| 23:12.33 | xitron | so wya I just don't remove the usb bin? |
| 23:12.53 | xitron | valdyn, root@Slack91:/home/craig/acx100-0.2.0pre8_plus_fixes_43# ls /usr/share/acx |
| 23:12.53 | xitron | ACX100_USB.bin RADIO0d.BIN RADIO11.BIN RADIO15.BIN TIACX111.BIN WLANGEN.BIN |
| 23:12.56 | valdyn | xitron: sure, remove it, you need the other files |
| 23:13.03 | xitron | valdyn, ok |
| 23:13.08 | purplepenguins | no big deal because I don't need wireless for my desktop |
| 23:13.23 | xitron | and it then set permision to normal user? |
| 23:13.28 | purplepenguins | anymore |
| 23:13.40 | valdyn | xitron: leave permissions alone |
| 23:13.45 | xitron | valdyn, ok |
| 23:14.07 | purplepenguins | whee, pidgin died |
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| 23:14.10 | valdyn | xitron: i saw taicx111.bin there in your list, but you need taicx100.bin, dont you? |
| 23:14.14 | xitron | valdyn, I remove it still card not found |
| 23:14.33 | valdyn | xitron: no one said that removing the usb firmware will accomplish more than freeing diskspace |
| 23:14.36 | xitron | just download the firmwire ftom the howto page |
| 23:15.06 | DawnLight | buenos noches |
| 23:15.31 | tarzeau | !dir |
| 23:15.31 | dpkg | wrong OS, foo. CONFIG.SYS AUTOEXEC.BAT TEMP WINDOWS My Documents PROGRA~1 |
| 23:15.37 | purplepenguins | guess there might be a reason why pidgin isn't in stable |
| 23:15.53 | purplepenguins | !fsck |
| 23:15.53 | dpkg | methinks fsck is a file system integrity checker, or a visually-similar euphemism for fuck |
| 23:15.57 | stoned | beuno nacho |
| 23:16.11 | stoned | nacho supreme mucho bueno! |
| 23:16.18 | purplepenguins | you are stoned |
| 23:16.23 | tarzeau | stoned: they were after you today |
| 23:16.29 | stoned | tarzeau: who was? |
| 23:16.32 | purplepenguins | the FBI was in here looking for you |
| 23:17.03 | stoned | tarzeau: hey did i tell you I spoke to Muammar El Khatib and will be co-maintaining the SMC packages |
| 23:17.04 | tarzeau | stoned: nobody that i know, so it was just some unimportant person, certainly not a tall blonde good looking woman |
| 23:17.17 | stoned | tarzeau: i don't like blondes |
| 23:17.30 | tarzeau | stoned: yes, did i tell you the online ubuntu/deb package is herebely outdated and broken, and that i tried it from source myself today? |
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| 23:17.36 | phogg | purplepenguins: pidgin isn't in stable because it was released after the current stable was released. |
| 23:17.40 | stoned | tarzeau: no you did not |
| 23:17.44 | tarzeau | stoned: send them over to me ;) |
| 23:17.49 | purplepenguins | that too |
| 23:17.53 | stoned | tarzeau: well we're still working on it |
| 23:17.55 | purplepenguins | it also isn't in testing yet either |
| 23:18.01 | valdyn | xitron: that howto sucks for your card too |
| 23:18.07 | tarzeau | purplepenguins: man testing is old stuff! |
| 23:18.14 | xitron | valdyn, acx111 firmware 1.2.1.34(down) mirror it's down |
| 23:18.59 | purplepenguins | it's in unstable though |
| 23:18.59 | tarzeau | purplepenguins: heck even sid is old, considering stuff hangs in new queue several months |
| 23:18.59 | stoned | tarzeau: you can grab the one from ftp-master, which is his copy actually. We are trying to seperate the game code from the media/data |
| 23:19.00 | tarzeau | purplepenguins: the software goes around from private repos |
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| 23:19.01 | valdyn | xitron: try cd renaming TIACX111.BIN to TIACX100.BIN and reload the module and read the new error |
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| 23:19.11 | Jmax | what's that debian package that installs all necessary compilation utilities? |
| 23:20.51 | wintix | Jmax: build-essential |
| 23:20.51 | Jmax | thanks |
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| 23:20.51 | tarzeau | telnet 80.219.79.221 27015 |
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| 23:20.52 | xitron | valdyn, Bareword "TIACX111" not allowed while "strict subs" in use at (eval 1) line 1. |
| 23:20.53 | xitron | Bareword "BIN" not allowed while "strict subs" in use at (eval 1) line 1. |
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| 23:21.42 | purplepenguins | how do they decide what the next version will be called? |
| 23:21.47 | valdyn | xitron: where's that error from? |
| 23:21.59 | xitron | valdyn, to rename the file |
| 23:22.09 | stoned | purplepenguins: they are named after toystory1/2 characters |
| 23:22.26 | stoned | purplepenguins: I guess they just put all the name in a basket and pick one out |
| 23:22.29 | valdyn | xitron: you dont know how to rename files? |
| 23:22.34 | stoned | xitron: mv |
| 23:22.37 | stoned | man mv |
| 23:22.58 | xitron | ow I tought it only move files |
| 23:23.03 | stoned | yeh |
| 23:23.08 | stoned | it only moves files |
| 23:23.09 | valdyn | xitron: checkout http://www.ilport.com.ua/linux/acx_patches/acx_fw/acx1xx.htm for firmware |
| 23:23.10 | stoned | you're correct |
| 23:23.16 | irule | hi I got 2 nics and I can ping to one of them but the other one does not respond, but when I put on the cable the screen does say link up, and if I disconnect I see the link down message, how may this be fiexed? thanks, PLUS! if I connect the cable to the eth0 I can ping and get a response from both eth0 and eth1, but if I put the cable on eth1, I get network unreachable from both eth0 and eth1 |
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| 23:23.28 | valdyn | xitron: unless that rename operation fixes your issue completely, which i doubt, but do it anyway |
| 23:23.29 | stoned | but you can move file1.ext to file2.ext and you will no longer have file1.ext |
| 23:23.44 | stoned | thats renaming/moving |
| 23:23.50 | stoned | same thing |
| 23:23.51 | purplepenguins | I knew the former, I just wondered if they have a commitee that says, 4.x will be called etch, lenny, etc. |
| 23:24.00 | stoned | purplepenguins: no clue |
| 23:24.13 | purplepenguins | how many toy stories characters are there left |
| 23:24.23 | xitron | valdyn, ok just rename the file |
| 23:24.38 | valdyn | xitron: and your firmware is in /lib/firmware, right? |
| 23:24.46 | xitron | yes |
| 23:24.54 | stoned | purplepenguins: a good bit |
| 23:24.58 | valdyn | xitron: now reload the module.. |
| 23:25.00 | purplepenguins | i can't think of one |
| 23:25.10 | stoned | purplepenguins: google for it |
| 23:25.11 | xitron | valdyn, done.. |
| 23:25.13 | purplepenguins | the rc car thing |
| 23:25.21 | valdyn | xitron: check dmesg.. |
| 23:25.27 | karsten | "luke", "r2d2", "vader". |
| 23:25.37 | purplepenguins | slinky has been used right? |
| 23:25.39 | karsten | And there's always the clone wars episode. |
| 23:25.57 | xitron | valdyn, still all the same |
| 23:26.12 | karsten | clone1, clone2, clone3, ... , clone28798 |
| 23:26.22 | karsten | Never be out of names. |
| 23:26.24 | xitron | valdyn, maybe firmwire is wrong.... |
| 23:26.30 | valdyn | xitron: check the website i gave you, it lists working firmware |
| 23:26.33 | mumbles | hang on - my laptop just took less time to install debian than my server did |
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| 23:26.50 | archville | Hi. |
| 23:26.58 | valdyn | xitron: acx is sooo fucked with firmware issues.. |
| 23:27.13 | xitron | valdyn, :-) |
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| 23:27.17 | valdyn | xitron: that site lists just your card though, so you could get lucky |
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| 23:27.41 | xitron | valdyn, only this 2 file's [ ] RADIO11.BIN 21-Oct-2004 23:09 1k |
| 23:27.42 | xitron | [ ] WLANGEN.BIN_1.9.8.b |
| 23:27.51 | valdyn | xitron: yea, try those |
| 23:27.54 | purplepenguins | what will they do when they run out of characters... |
| 23:28.09 | xitron | just replcae those 2 in lib/firm.. |
| 23:28.16 | valdyn | xitron: yea |
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| 23:29.23 | xitron | valdyn, remove others right? |
| 23:29.41 | valdyn | xitron: yea, read what's written on that webiste's bottom |
| 23:30.16 | karsten | valdyn: "Made in Japan"? |
| 23:30.36 | valdyn | karsten: hah |
| 23:30.53 | karsten | valdyn: ... which reminds me of a story about this girl I knew and a tattoo she had.... |
| 23:31.04 | valdyn | oo |
| 23:31.15 | wintix | tarzeau: did you play that? |
| 23:31.33 | karsten | valdyn: What website, BTW? |
| 23:31.40 | dkr | karsten: "exit only"? |
| 23:31.48 | valdyn | karsten: http://www.ilport.com.ua/linux/acx_patches/acx_fw/acx1xx.htm |
| 23:31.49 | tarzeau | wintix: nethack? yes |
| 23:31.58 | wintix | tarzeau: nice :) |
| 23:31.58 | karsten | dkr: black background, white (well, flesh-colored) font. |
| 23:31.59 | xitron | valdyn, still same errors in dmesg |
| 23:32.02 | valdyn | karsten: from that acx100 README.Debian that no one reads |
| 23:32.10 | tarzeau | wintix: no, that was another early death |
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| 23:32.25 | karsten | valdyn: Oh, that one. Yeah, I didn't read it. |
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| 23:32.41 | wintix | tarzeau: well. nicer than anything i ever accomplished ;) |
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| 23:33.21 | anapivirtua | Hi all \o/ |
| 23:33.48 | valdyn | xitron: you did reload the module, didyou? |
| 23:33.54 | xitron | valdyn, yes |
| 23:34.28 | sebell | Hmm. In linux-libc-dev 2.6.20-3 LINUX_VERSION_CODE is blank in /usr/include/linux/version.h |
| 23:35.08 | xitron | valdyn, my whole dmesg output http://pastebin.ca/483950 |
| 23:36.07 | valdyn | xitron: these howtos suck |
| 23:36.16 | xitron | valdyn, you clearly |
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| 23:36.36 | valdyn | xitron: i'd rename that bigger file ( wlangen.bin ) to tiacx100.bin and the smaller one to tiacx100c11 |
| 23:36.39 | valdyn | xitron: i'd rename that bigger file ( wlangen.bin ) to tiacx100.bin and the smaller one to tiacx100c11.bin |
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| 23:36.55 | valdyn | xitron: those 2 files are requested by name |
| 23:37.01 | xitron | ow :s |
| 23:37.15 | valdyn | xitron: caps may matter or not, wish i knew |
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| 23:37.49 | xitron | valdyn, this is my /lib/fi.. no ACX100_USB.bin RADIO11.BIN RADIO15.BIN TIACX100.BIN WLANGEN.BIN_1.9.8.b |
| 23:37.54 | xitron | *now |
| 23:38.02 | valdyn | xitron: oh, remove all that are not from that website |
| 23:38.11 | mumbles | i had forgotten how much of a bitch installing wireless cards are |
| 23:38.17 | valdyn | xitron: after that do the renaming |
| 23:38.24 | wintix | mumbles: depends on the card |
| 23:38.43 | mumbles | onbord one on my acer aspire 3610 |
| 23:38.55 | mumbles | though i do have a dlink wireless one i know works |
| 23:38.55 | xitron | valdyn, now I have RADIO11.BIN WLANGEN.BIN_1.9.8.b |
| 23:38.58 | mumbles | somewhere |
| 23:39.19 | mumbles | bugger i guess im going to have to grab the binerays now |
| 23:39.40 | valdyn | xitron: mv WLANGEN.BIN_1.9.8.b TIACX100.BIN |
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| 23:39.52 | xitron | okay |
| 23:40.01 | tapas | i found that the time required to install packages is roughly the same as the time required to download these pacages on my box |
| 23:40.11 | xitron | and RADIO to.? |
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| 23:40.23 | tapas | i wonder if thus both parts of the package installation process can be parallelized |
| 23:40.32 | tapas | [in the case that many packages have to be installed] |
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| 23:40.56 | tapas | [i.e. installing packages already downloaded while others still download] |
| 23:40.58 | valdyn | xitron: not yet |
| 23:41.07 | valdyn | xitron: cp TIACX100.BIN tiacx100.bin |
| 23:41.17 | valdyn | xitron: to have to high and low capped |
| 23:41.26 | peasset | hi, i can't read the smil files from Amazon with realplayer (general error...). Is there a solution for that issue? |
| 23:41.30 | xitron | ok |
| 23:41.38 | valdyn | xitron: now reload the driver |
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| 23:42.25 | xitron | acx: firmware image 'tiacx100c11' was not provided. Check your hotplug scripts |
| 23:42.32 | karsten | valdyn: That sounds like Paris's problem. |
| 23:42.42 | xitron | valdyn, still the same |
| 23:42.59 | valdyn | xitron: not the same yet, read on |
| 23:43.20 | peasset | i have realplayer 10.0.8.805 (debian etch) |
| 23:43.21 | xitron | acx: firmware image 'tiacx100' was not provided. Check your hotplug scripts |
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| 23:43.35 | xitron | valdyn, the same :s |
| 23:43.38 | ivan_83 | I have a working debian printserver with CUPS and SAMBA installed. Any ideas how to make user and password authentification for every single print job from Windows XP clients? |
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| 23:44.14 | wintix | valdyn: maybe copy the files to some other locations? there are more potential firmware folders around. not sure, just a thought. |
| 23:44.29 | xitron | /usr/share/acx ... |
| 23:45.13 | valdyn | xitron: no you dont need that directory |
| 23:45.24 | valdyn | xitron: remove the .bin suffix from your tiacx100 file |
| 23:45.29 | xitron | ok |
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| 23:46.16 | xitron | done |
| 23:46.29 | xitron | YEEAAAAY! it works |
| 23:46.44 | xitron | wlan0 IEEE 802.11b+ ESSID:"STA071555" Nickname:"acx v0.3.35" |
| 23:47.01 | valdyn | xitron: you should need the radio module still |
| 23:47.08 | xitron | valdyn, ow :-( |
| 23:48.00 | xitron | valdyn, so now? |
| 23:48.31 | valdyn | xitron: trying using your nic |
| 23:48.35 | valdyn | xitron: try using your nic |
| 23:48.42 | valdyn | xitron: iwlist scan or somesuch |
| 23:48.43 | xitron | my nic? |
| 23:48.45 | xitron | aah |
| 23:49.55 | valdyn | xitron: radio file should be named tiacx100r11, but if its not needed, the better |
| 23:50.11 | xitron | I try scanning with airodump to networks: |
| 23:50.13 | xitron | Unsupported hardware link type 0 - expected ARPHRD_IEEE80211 |
| 23:50.15 | xitron | etc... |
| 23:50.27 | xitron | or ARPHRD_IEEE80211_PRISM instead. Make sure RFMON is enabled: |
| 23:50.34 | valdyn | xitron: use 'iwlist scan' |
| 23:50.52 | xitron | wlan1 No scan results |
| 23:51.00 | valdyn | xitron: airodump is more chipset specific and doesnt even work on all chipsets |
| 23:51.21 | valdyn | xitron: i cant tell if you have a wireless ap nearby |
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| 23:51.40 | xitron | valdyn, I know it works on this card I use it on a other laptop before |
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| 23:51.48 | xitron | valdyn, I'm near a ap |
| 23:52.05 | valdyn | xitron: show your dmesg output again |
| 23:52.50 | xitron | valdyn, this is my last line starting radio scan |
| 23:53.24 | xitron | everything is right |
| 23:53.52 | valdyn | xitron: where? in dmesg? |
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| 23:53.57 | xitron | valdyn, yes |
| 23:54.05 | xitron | sec I paste in pastebin |
| 23:54.47 | xitron | http://pastebin.ca/483974 |
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| 23:56.01 | xitron | ...? |
| 23:56.16 | ramy | is there any convinient and clean way for maintaning ssh host keys for a farm of debian servers, so that adding a new server or reinstalling an exiting server does not cause too much headache |
| 23:56.18 | valdyn | xitron: rename your radio file to tiacx100r0D |
| 23:56.24 | xitron | ok |
| 23:57.05 | xitron | done |
| 23:57.22 | xitron | wlan1 Interface doesn't support scanning : Resource temporarily unavailable |
| 23:57.23 | xitron | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:57.28 | valdyn | xitron: reload module, paste dmesg output, test functionality by yourself.. |
| 23:57.49 | xitron | just reload module that error with iwlist scan |
| 23:58.59 | xitron | http://pastebin.ca/483980 |
| 23:59.05 | jnguy | oy. |
| 23:59.07 | jnguy | I'm an idiot. |
| 23:59.10 | jnguy | took all day to fix that. |
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