| 00:00.27 | valdyn | xitron: this looks just fine |
| 00:01.28 | xitron | valdyn, what now the error... |
| 00:01.38 | valdyn | xitron: there's no error |
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| 00:02.02 | xitron | wlan1 Interface doesn't support scanning : Resource temporarily unavailable |
| 00:02.03 | xitron | :s |
| 00:02.26 | cafuego | ramy: Suck 'em all into a version management system, I'd say |
| 00:02.36 | valdyn | xitron: you should remove and reinsert that card, just to be sure |
| 00:03.15 | xitron | I reinstert card and reload modules still doesn't support scanning |
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| 00:03.55 | valdyn | xitron: no idea, you might have to use ndiswrapper, or check out the firmware the other distro is using |
| 00:04.20 | xitron | but what was wrong beofere I renamed the file? |
| 00:04.22 | xitron | just before |
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| 00:04.33 | ramy | cafuego: is there a way to tell ssh to check the keys from such version management system ? |
| 00:04.33 | cafuego | xitron: I'll tarball my /lib/modules/($uname -r)/acx for you |
| 00:04.34 | valdyn | xitron: that it couldnt find that firmware |
| 00:04.44 | xitron | valdyn, ow |
| 00:04.54 | valdyn | cafuego: you have a different driver? |
| 00:04.55 | xitron | cafuego, can you upload it? |
| 00:04.55 | cafuego | ramy: Nothing off the shelf that i know of |
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| 00:05.42 | cafuego | valdyn: just the prepackage dubuntu one - works ok with my acx111, acx100 should be fine |
| 00:05.43 | valdyn | cafuego: i see, im wondering if his firmware could be named correct but still broken |
| 00:05.43 | stoned | dubuntuy |
| 00:05.45 | stoned | lol |
| 00:05.58 | cafuego | xitron: http://home/cafuego.net/acx.tar.bz2 |
| 00:06.10 | cafuego | home.cafuego.net even |
| 00:06.16 | xitron | ty will try it and make first backup of my now |
| 00:06.39 | cafuego | home.cafuego.net~cafuego/acx.tar.bz2 even |
| 00:06.42 | cafuego | arrrgh |
| 00:06.46 | cafuego | home.cafuego.net/~cafuego/acx.tar.bz2 |
| 00:08.16 | xitron | not gound |
| 00:08.31 | xitron | *found |
| 00:08.48 | cafuego | wtf |
| 00:09.10 | valdyn | xitron: did you really get the correct firmware? |
| 00:09.23 | valdyn | xitron: somehow your driver is asking for the wrong one |
| 00:09.28 | valdyn | xitron: somehow your driver is asking for the wrong one for your radeo |
| 00:09.29 | valdyn | xitron: somehow your driver is asking for the wrong one for your radio |
| 00:09.42 | xitron | :s:s |
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| 00:09.53 | cafuego | works now |
| 00:09.58 | valdyn | xitron: dlink_dwl650+, right? |
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| 00:10.06 | xitron | sec |
| 00:10.10 | cafuego | wrong filename :-P |
| 00:10.27 | valdyn | cafuego: nah we named it to what the driver asked for |
| 00:10.35 | cafuego | valdyn: No, my tarball |
| 00:10.52 | GhostlyDeath | Is there background seemless ext3 compression stuff? (i mean, it's like the files are non compressed but they are compressed) |
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| 00:11.32 | xitron | http://pastebin.ca/483998 this dmesg if right or the same? |
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| 00:12.15 | valdyn | xitron: this one is asking for the RIGHT radio at least |
| 00:12.23 | valdyn | xitron: so you have to rename that file again |
| 00:12.35 | xitron | no no |
| 00:12.40 | xitron | I have 2 wifi cards |
| 00:12.48 | valdyn | xitron: tiacx100r0d -> tiacx100r11 |
| 00:12.53 | valdyn | xitron: duh |
| 00:13.01 | xitron | that will work? |
| 00:13.07 | wintix | .. |
| 00:13.38 | valdyn | xitron: now you're confusing me by switching wifi cards |
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| 00:13.49 | xitron | no soz I have the dwl |
| 00:13.50 | valdyn | xitron: and by downloading firmware for the wrong card |
| 00:15.03 | valdyn | xitron: read the dmesg output yourself to see which firmware is asked for, you can ignore the stuff about just tiacx100c* |
| 00:15.25 | xitron | alredy updated it |
| 00:15.26 | xitron | citix:/lib/firmware# dmesg |
| 00:15.26 | xitron | es might occur, such as non-working firmware upload. Report them |
| 00:15.26 | xitron | running on a little-endian CPU |
| 00:15.26 | xitron | PCI module v0.3.35 initialized, waiting for cards to probe... |
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| 00:15.29 | valdyn | xitron: last number in name corresponds to names on website |
| 00:15.36 | valdyn | well deserved |
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| 00:15.39 | xitron | requesting firmware image 'tiacx100c11' |
| 00:15.41 | xitron | acx: firmware image 'tiacx100c11' was not provided. Check your hotplug scripts |
| 00:15.43 | xitron | requesting firmware image 'tiacx100' |
| 00:15.45 | xitron | acx: firmware image 'tiacx100' was not provided. Check your hotplug scripts |
| 00:15.47 | valdyn | xitron: stop it |
| 00:15.49 | xitron | acx: reset_dev() FAILED |
| 00:15.51 | xitron | ACPI: PCI interrupt for device 0000:03:00.0 disabled |
| 00:15.52 | peasset | Hello, i have that message when i try to read an audio file on amazon, with realplayer 10.0.8.805 : "a general error has occured". Do you have that error too??? |
| 00:15.53 | xitron | acx_pci: probe of 0000:03:00.0 failed with error -5 |
| 00:15.55 | xitron | USB module v0.3.35 initialized, probing for devices... |
| 00:15.57 | xitron | usbcore: registered new driver acx_usb |
| 00:15.59 | xitron | usbcore: deregistering driver acx_usb |
| 00:16.01 | xitron | acx: this driver is still EXPERIMENTAL |
| 00:16.03 | xitron | acx: reading README file and/or Craig's HOWTO is recommended, visit http://acx100.sf.net in case of further questions/discussion |
| 00:16.06 | xitron | acx: compiled to use 32bit I/O access. I/O timing issues might occur, such as non-working firmware upload. Report them |
| 00:16.07 | wintix | !ops xitron is flooding. |
| 00:16.07 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: wintix complains about: xitron is flooding. |
| 00:16.09 | xitron | running on a little-endian CPU |
| 00:16.11 | xitron | PCI module v0.3.35 initialized, waiting for cards to probe... |
| 00:16.13 | xitron | PCI: Enabling device 0000:03:00.0 (0000 -> 0003) |
| 00:16.15 | xitron | ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:03:00.0[A] -> Link [C0B9] -> GSI 11 (level, low) -> IRQ 11 |
| 00:16.19 | xitron | acx: found ACX100-based wireless network card at 0000:03:00.0, irq:11, phymem1:0x34010000, phymem2:0x34000000, mem1:0xe095a000, mem1_size:4096, mem2:0xe0c20000, mem2_size:65536 |
| 00:16.22 | xitron | initial debug setting is 0x000A |
| 00:16.24 | xitron | using IRQ 11 |
| 00:16.26 | xitron | requesting firmware image 'tiacx100cFF' |
| 00:16.28 | xitron | acx: firmware image 'tiacx100cFF' was not provided. Check your hotplug scripts |
| 00:16.30 | xitron | requesting firmware image 'tiacx100' |
| 00:16.32 | xitron | acx: firmware image 'tiacx100' was not provided. Check your hotplug scripts |
| 00:16.34 | xitron | acx: reset_dev() FAILED |
| 00:16.36 | cafuego | jesus |
| 00:16.36 | xitron | ACPI: PCI interrupt for |
| 00:16.38 | xitron | soz :s |
| 00:16.40 | xitron | wrong paste |
| 00:16.42 | xitron | valdyn, it was wrong |
| 00:16.44 | xitron | I paste a wrong thing |
| 00:16.50 | cafuego | pasting is wrong |
| 00:16.52 | xitron | cafeugo can you upload you firmwire so I can try that? |
| 00:16.53 | mentor | indeed |
| 00:17.03 | valdyn | xitron: you had the wrong firmware? |
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| 00:17.11 | xitron | yea but it was wrong I want to paste a url from pastebin |
| 00:17.12 | zamuro | *sighs* Another Ubuntu user around... |
| 00:17.22 | mentor | zamuro: Don't do that |
| 00:17.22 | valdyn | xitron: radio file needs to end in 11 now instead of 0d |
| 00:17.22 | xitron | dunno :s |
| 00:17.25 | cafuego | xitron: home.cafuego.net/~cafuego/acx.tar.bz2 |
| 00:17.31 | mentor | xitron: Have you got auto-rejoin on? |
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| 00:17.39 | zamuro | mentor: hahahahahahahah OK |
| 00:17.49 | mentor | zamuro: I mean it. |
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| 00:17.57 | xitron | mentor, no? |
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| 00:17.59 | zamuro | mentor: I know. |
| 00:18.02 | mentor | ok |
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| 00:18.24 | mentor | xitron: OK. Well, the point was that I was going to be nastier if you carried on intentionally. |
| 00:18.37 | mentor | xitron: But... don't do that. |
| 00:18.55 | xitron | you think I use autojoin :s |
| 00:18.56 | peasset | Hello, i have that message when i try to read an audio file on amazon, with realplayer 10.0.8.805 : "a general error has occured". Do you have that error too??? |
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| 00:19.41 | cafuego | I don't use realplayer, so no. |
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| 00:20.16 | cafuego | switch to fedora, did you? |
| 00:20.46 | peasset | cafuego, what player do you use for .ram, .smil.... files, and previews on Amazon? |
| 00:21.22 | xitron | cafuego, |
| 00:21.34 | xitron | firm.. doesn't work with me |
| 00:21.46 | wintix | peasset: try mplayer or vlc. one of them will work, hopefully. |
| 00:21.58 | xitron | ow soz don't read readme |
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| 00:22.09 | peasset | wintix, vlc doesn't read smil files |
| 00:22.23 | wintix | peasset: maybe mplayer does? |
| 00:22.26 | asarch | Hi everyone, how is it getting along? |
| 00:22.36 | asarch | How's the weather? |
| 00:22.38 | peasset | wintix, i'll try with mplayer |
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| 00:24.10 | cafuego | peasset: I don't use either .ram or .smil files OR amazon for that matter |
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| 00:24.46 | mentor | cafuego: No, my desktop is still a shade of not quite pink |
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| 00:26.06 | nhuis | anyone here run a bunch of debian servers? I'm curious how often you do updates, and what method you use |
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| 00:26.50 | xitron | valdyn, how do I know the chipset from my wifi car? |
| 00:27.10 | Wolfcastle | hello |
| 00:27.20 | Wolfcastle | do you recommend changing fam for gamin? |
| 00:27.35 | asg | nhuis: since they are all stable systems, we do updates when security fixes come out (after testing, of course) |
| 00:27.41 | Wolfcastle | a google-search reveals a lot of people have problems with fam consuming too much resources |
| 00:28.02 | wintix | !polls |
| 00:28.03 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
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| 00:29.13 | cafuego | nhuis: I run updates after I get mail from debian-security-announce |
| 00:29.35 | cafuego | nhuis: via ssh and a shell :-) |
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| 00:29.56 | xitron | thx everyone for helping me out, it's working now nice :-) |
| 00:30.37 | foutrelis | Hey. I am editing my /etc/sudoers to give some permissions to apache (www-data). I want it to be able to run the commands specified in STUFF, without entering a password. However with my current setup, useradd does not ask for a pass, while the other two do. What am I doing wrong? My /etc/sudoers is here: http://pastebin.us/34770 |
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| 00:31.56 | peasset | ok, amazon previex links work with totem, but not with realplayer (10.0.8) -> LOL ! |
| 00:32.02 | peasset | preview |
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| 00:36.55 | endra | hey |
| 00:37.01 | endra | can someone please troubleshoot my wireless problemw ith me |
| 00:37.17 | endra | I seem to get it connecting, but it won't grab an ip (dhcp doesn't seem to work) |
| 00:37.58 | nhuis | cafuego, thanks. I'll probably sign up to that mailing list then |
| 00:38.12 | nhuis | wtf endra? |
| 00:38.15 | nhuis | hee |
| 00:38.18 | endra | It says DHCPDISCOVER to 255.255.255.255 interval {4-16} |
| 00:38.22 | endra | nhuis: ? |
| 00:38.30 | Kalisto | iv been trying to install tor on: Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 \n \l it says it cannot find the package, i even added unstable to sources but still no luck. any help? |
| 00:38.42 | nhuis | oh, odd, my irc client spewed a bunch of stuff that made it look like you said it. |
| 00:38.46 | nhuis | nm sorry |
| 00:39.04 | endra | sure you just aren't abusing your crack addiction? |
| 00:39.07 | cafuego | nhuis: if you run production servers, you must |
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| 00:39.27 | nhuis | I guess i can write a script to run all the update commands at once too |
| 00:39.35 | nhuis | via ssh |
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| 00:39.50 | nhuis | <endra> I seem to get it connecting, but it won't grab an ip (dhcp doesn't seem to work) |
| 00:39.50 | nhuis | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:39.50 | nhuis | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:39.52 | nhuis | that's what I saw |
| 00:39.56 | nhuis | heh |
| 00:39.59 | endra | wtf lol |
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| 00:40.03 | nhuis | yeah di unno |
| 00:40.10 | nhuis | "i dunno" |
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| 00:41.09 | nhuis | cafueo did you just follow the securing debian guide for each server? |
| 00:41.18 | nhuis | or do you leave them as is |
| 00:41.28 | nhuis | i was going to go through that guide and use maybe 80% |
| 00:42.14 | endra | so.. does anyone have any idea what is going on with my rt2500 card :( |
| 00:42.37 | nhuis | um, what if you assign the ip manually? |
| 00:42.47 | nvz | endra: only you would know that |
| 00:43.14 | xitron | how do I put my self in the root file so I can use sudo program... |
| 00:43.18 | endra | nhuis: I've tried that, I don't think its working, but then again I don't always do it so I might be getting something wrong |
| 00:43.24 | xitron | *where conf file |
| 00:43.33 | endra | Actually, I only tried it with /etc/network/interfaces, didn't do it COMPLETELY manually |
| 00:43.44 | endra | xitron: /etc/sudoers ? |
| 00:43.48 | nhuis | make sure your route is set and all that |
| 00:43.49 | xitron | endra, tnx |
| 00:43.54 | nhuis | if you do it manually |
| 00:44.15 | nvz | xitron: dont edit that file, use visudo |
| 00:44.39 | nhuis | that's still editing it, just uses locks |
| 00:44.40 | endra | damn it. |
| 00:44.44 | xitron | witch line I put on it? :s |
| 00:44.45 | endra | I was putting 255.255.255.255 for my broadcast |
| 00:44.52 | nhuis | laugh |
| 00:45.07 | endra | brb |
| 00:45.35 | nhuis | lol cabal |
| 00:45.35 | nvz | nhuis: regaurdless its stupid to tell people to do things the wrong way unless you plan on spending your life here taking full responsibility for all the whining they are gonna do afterward |
| 00:46.03 | endra | ok, brb |
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| 00:46.37 | nhuisman_work | oh i wasn't saying to not use visudo. |
| 00:47.14 | nvz | nhuisman_work: no, you were nit-picking at me correcting a careless answer to the question |
| 00:47.16 | xitron | what should I write there? |
| 00:47.24 | nhuisman_work | yep, just being a jackass |
| 00:47.33 | nhuisman_work | hehe |
| 00:47.39 | nvz | xitron: you should leave it alone since you obviously have no idea what you are doing |
| 00:47.44 | nhuisman_work | just ready to leave work |
| 00:47.46 | nhuisman_work | tired |
| 00:48.20 | nvz | xitron: by default anyone can sudo, they just have to supply a password. sudo can be configured to do a plethora of things.. what you are suppose to write in sudoers is a vague question without proper context |
| 00:48.27 | xitron | nvz, I know what I'm doing it's just I have been hit bya a car and my "brains are shakken" so I'm confused a lot |
| 00:48.31 | dondelelcaro | nvz: actually, by default only root can sudo |
| 00:48.42 | endra | okay, so doing it manually does NOT work |
| 00:48.54 | dondelelcaro | (or at least, that's the default on debian machines) |
| 00:49.04 | nvz | dondelelcaro: well you can do it, its just not going to run the program you asked for after you supply the password ;) |
| 00:49.23 | nhuisman_work | hehe yeah I noticed that, I sort of though it would deny me, but nope, just nothing. |
| 00:49.30 | dondelelcaro | nvz: and it'll tell you that "user foo not authorized to run sudo; reporting to the relevant authorities" |
| 00:50.23 | endra | nvz: actually, my way is the only way I'm familiar with. |
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| 00:50.34 | endra | No need to call it stupid :-/ |
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| 00:51.16 | WarOnFoxNews | hey peoples |
| 00:51.20 | WarOnFoxNews | sysdamins |
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| 00:51.22 | SpeS | hi |
| 00:51.24 | WarOnFoxNews | er, sysadmins |
| 00:51.26 | endra | now if you'll excuse me, I have to ping out (resetting router) |
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| 00:51.31 | xitron | Night guys |
| 00:51.39 | SpeS | is there anything to access a movile device (USB port)?? |
| 00:51.40 | WarOnFoxNews | finally a stable environment |
| 00:51.51 | WarOnFoxNews | I can't compile anymore |
| 00:52.00 | WarOnFoxNews | open office isn't working but hey |
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| 00:52.05 | SpeS | I can use bluetooth to upload things there, but how can I download things from it?? |
| 00:52.08 | WarOnFoxNews | heya dennis |
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| 00:52.35 | WarOnFoxNews | I have this power cord |
| 00:52.43 | WarOnFoxNews | so strange |
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| 00:52.52 | WarOnFoxNews | it looks normal, I go to plug it in |
| 00:52.55 | WarOnFoxNews | won't fit |
| 00:54.21 | WarOnFoxNews | I know there is the european |
| 00:54.21 | WarOnFoxNews | but this looks normal |
| 00:54.21 | WarOnFoxNews | it's like someone quit and did this to fuck with me |
| 00:54.21 | nhuisman_work | is it the same pin configuration? |
| 00:54.22 | WarOnFoxNews | gonna re-install everything when we get this vox booted |
| 00:54.22 | WarOnFoxNews | yeah |
| 00:54.22 | WarOnFoxNews | it's like an optical illusion |
| 00:54.22 | WarOnFoxNews | looks like it will fit |
| 00:54.22 | WarOnFoxNews | until plugging it in |
| 00:54.22 | nhuisman_work | maybe it's just a bad mold |
| 00:54.28 | WarOnFoxNews | I am guessing so |
| 00:54.42 | WarOnFoxNews | but hey |
| 00:54.45 | WarOnFoxNews | if that's the only problem today |
| 00:54.47 | WarOnFoxNews | then this is good |
| 00:54.52 | WarOnFoxNews | no seg faults |
| 00:55.12 | WarOnFoxNews | no wine issues today either |
| 00:55.19 | WarOnFoxNews | WinMain I tell ya |
| 00:55.51 | WarOnFoxNews | I took the company Vista disks today to lunch |
| 00:55.53 | WarOnFoxNews | they did not return |
| 00:56.03 | WarOnFoxNews | if someone at McDonalds searches the trash |
| 00:56.05 | WarOnFoxNews | hats off |
| 00:56.11 | WarOnFoxNews | the codes are on the package heh |
| 00:56.15 | nhuisman_work | hehe |
| 00:56.19 | WarOnFoxNews | they won't use em |
| 00:56.22 | Swat2 | dpkg lvm ? |
| 00:56.22 | dpkg | i heard lvm is at http://www.sistina.com/products_lvm.htm, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about lvm_tutorial, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo |
| 00:56.26 | WarOnFoxNews | no idea why then sent them down to us |
| 00:56.33 | Swat2 | dpkg lvm_tutorial ? |
| 00:56.34 | dpkg | lvm_tutorial is probably ibmdevworks tutorial http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-lvm/, or http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-lvm2.html |
| 00:56.38 | nhuisman_work | what version of vista? |
| 00:56.46 | WarOnFoxNews | hmm.. ya know... |
| 00:56.50 | WarOnFoxNews | I didn't even check |
| 00:57.01 | WarOnFoxNews | someone put in Larry's box today |
| 00:57.07 | WarOnFoxNews | IT likely |
| 00:57.14 | nhuisman_work | it's pretty much only useful with the top to versions |
| 00:57.18 | WarOnFoxNews | no one told us to install it heh |
| 00:57.19 | WarOnFoxNews | so... |
| 00:57.25 | cafuego | lvm: create pv partitions, combine those partitions into a vg, create a volume on the vg. |
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| 00:57.38 | cafuego | mkfs the volume, mount, enjoy. |
| 00:57.47 | WarOnFoxNews | indeed |
| 00:57.56 | DrStroker | if i am logged in as root ... and it says 3 users are logged in how can i find out who the other two are and kill them |
| 00:57.59 | WarOnFoxNews | mounting can be so satisfactory |
| 00:58.02 | WarOnFoxNews | indeed |
| 00:58.15 | nhuisman_work | w |
| 00:58.24 | WarOnFoxNews | Drs - you could just 'watch' them |
| 00:58.25 | nvz | DrStroker: heh |
| 00:58.31 | WarOnFoxNews | see what they do |
| 00:58.39 | DrStroker | lol |
| 00:58.42 | DrStroker | how is that? |
| 00:58.42 | WarOnFoxNews | from their IP, you might be able to reconnect to them |
| 00:58.51 | nhuisman_work | reconnect? |
| 00:58.55 | nvz | DrStroker: they may not be phyisical users.. |
| 00:59.00 | WarOnFoxNews | oh |
| 00:59.01 | WarOnFoxNews | nm |
| 00:59.06 | nhuisman_work | just hit 'w' |
| 00:59.06 | WarOnFoxNews | nvz- true |
| 00:59.11 | nhuisman_work | it lists the pts they are on |
| 00:59.14 | DrStroker | nvz ... i can garentee they are not physical since i'm sitting next to the box lol |
| 00:59.20 | WarOnFoxNews | lol |
| 00:59.23 | nhuisman_work | then ps -aux | grep pts |
| 00:59.45 | nvz | DrStroker: well for instance this irssi I am running is one user, the screen it runs in is another, and the terminal screen runs on is another |
| 00:59.45 | WarOnFoxNews | I'm surprised lately how little credit I give myself |
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| 00:59.48 | WarOnFoxNews | lol |
| 00:59.53 | nvz | DrStroker: yet I am only logged it once |
| 01:00.00 | nhuisman_work | root 19179 0.0 0.0 29152 2028 ? Ss May03 0:00 sshd: nroot@pts/0 |
| 01:00.04 | nhuisman_work | then kill their pid |
| 01:00.06 | nvz | DrStroker: if I killed the other "users" I'd kill myself |
| 01:00.16 | WarOnFoxNews | I was going to say just kill the pid's |
| 01:00.18 | Swat2 | Anyone know how to remove a faulty hard drive out of a LVM volume, It wont pass error checking, is there a way to force/ignore error checking? |
| 01:00.22 | DrStroker | nvz: no no, this box is acting as my router ... the only way into it is ssh |
| 01:00.32 | nhuisman_work | hax :P |
| 01:00.37 | WarOnFoxNews | heh on last post nvz |
| 01:00.37 | nvz | DrStroker: and your point is? |
| 01:00.38 | nhuisman_work | drstroker what do you see when you type 'w' |
| 01:00.50 | DrStroker | actually i think i just left two local root accounts logged in before i pulled the keyboard out |
| 01:01.06 | nvz | DrStroker: you still got users like, mandb, nobody, root..etc that could be working jobs |
| 01:01.06 | WarOnFoxNews | ah |
| 01:01.11 | DrStroker | now |
| 01:01.13 | nhuisman_work | yeah, i was going to say, i bet it is just you logged in two more times. |
| 01:01.13 | DrStroker | 3 root users |
| 01:01.18 | DrStroker | 2 have been idle for 40 days lol |
| 01:01.24 | cafuego | one of them is me |
| 01:01.25 | WarOnFoxNews | 40 dayhs |
| 01:01.27 | WarOnFoxNews | holy crap |
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| 01:01.33 | DrStroker | cafuego, turn out the lights when your done |
| 01:01.33 | WarOnFoxNews | what happened 40 days ago |
| 01:01.37 | WarOnFoxNews | that you'd forget |
| 01:01.38 | DrStroker | i turned the routero n |
| 01:01.42 | WarOnFoxNews | oh |
| 01:01.48 | DrStroker | lol its like set it and forget it |
| 01:01.55 | WarOnFoxNews | that's my life |
| 01:01.58 | WarOnFoxNews | set it and forget it |
| 01:02.23 | WarOnFoxNews | and lots of raspberry |
| 01:02.26 | DrStroker | i'm sorry now, lol but how do i kill them again? |
| 01:02.31 | WarOnFoxNews | KILL -9 |
| 01:02.33 | WarOnFoxNews | heh |
| 01:02.34 | WarOnFoxNews | ok ok |
| 01:02.35 | WarOnFoxNews | -15 |
| 01:02.37 | WarOnFoxNews | be nice |
| 01:02.47 | DrStroker | O.o |
| 01:02.55 | WarOnFoxNews | 9 is a good feeling |
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| 01:03.01 | WarOnFoxNews | 15 is also a proper method |
| 01:03.15 | DrStroker | one sec please i don't know the parameter 9 or 15 gunna man it |
| 01:03.16 | nvz | bah I throw 11's around like they're going out of style |
| 01:03.53 | DrStroker | i don't see 11s whats that |
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| 01:04.50 | Infinitux | hey, i use pclinuxos, but i have apt installed and i want to add a repository... what is a good one I can use? |
| 01:05.15 | cafuego | what is pclinuxos and how is it relevant to debian? |
| 01:05.17 | DrStroker | hmm i'm also not seeing their pids i did w but there is no pids |
| 01:05.18 | Infinitux | do i just append it to /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 01:05.30 | Infinitux | Because it's based on Mandrake, and Debian. |
| 01:05.40 | Infinitux | Uh, etc. |
| 01:05.56 | Infinitux | I'm just wondering, what should I append to /etc/apt/sources.list for an apt-get repository |
| 01:06.01 | cafuego | Infinitux: Pick a repo that won't break the installation. |
| 01:06.07 | Infinitux | uh, ok. |
| 01:06.12 | cafuego | Infinitux: As to what that would be, ask a pclinuxos user. |
| 01:06.19 | Infinitux | uhrm, yeah. |
| 01:06.23 | Infinitux | thanks cafuego |
| 01:06.30 | Infinitux | i'll go to #pclinuxos |
| 01:06.32 | Infinitux | bye |
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| 01:06.40 | cafuego | 'riddance |
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| 01:06.52 | DrStroker | Warning: bad syntax, perhaps a bogus '-'? See http://procps.sf.net/faq.html |
| 01:07.00 | DrStroker | i did ps -aux | grep pts but got that |
| 01:07.22 | nhuisman_work | ps aux |
| 01:07.23 | ApEtc | DrStroker: Leave the - out |
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| 01:07.43 | phao | does anyone know how to antecipate subtitles using xine? |
| 01:07.46 | DrStroker | oh okay but what am i looking at now? |
| 01:08.10 | nhuisman_work | look for ssh sessions |
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| 01:08.21 | DrStroker | only got 3 |
| 01:08.26 | nhuisman_work | yeah |
| 01:08.26 | dfx- | I just installed Etch. Does anyone have a good resource on installing and patching the madwifi drivers? |
| 01:08.28 | nhuisman_work | just kill the pid on them |
| 01:08.32 | DrStroker | -bash, ps aux and grep |
| 01:08.46 | DrStroker | root 23092 0.0 2.2 2536 1408 pts/0 S 21:51 0:00 -bash |
| 01:08.49 | DrStroker | which is the pid? |
| 01:08.55 | dfx- | 23092 |
| 01:08.59 | DrStroker | okay |
| 01:09.27 | DrStroker | .... still logged in |
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| 01:10.21 | Enverex|LT | Doesn't anyone else find this mildly offensive? http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/04/27/1211211 |
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| 01:10.59 | nhuisman_work | it's obviously a parody |
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| 01:11.34 | Enverex|LT | Yeah, I read a bit more and noticed now, when skimming it just seemed hostile |
| 01:11.52 | nhuisman_work | it is afterall in the "humor" section |
| 01:12.56 | cafuego | Enverex|LT: I didn't find it offensive, just stupid. |
| 01:15.34 | DrStroker | hmm so, i got these two local users still logged in and i can't figure out how to obtain their pid to KiLl them |
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| 01:17.07 | nhuisman_work | drstroker, private message me with your 'w' results and ps aux | grep pts results |
| 01:19.53 | dfx- | I just installed Etch. Does anyone have a good resource on installing and patching the madwifi drivers for packet injection? |
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| 01:23.01 | Kevin` | dfx- from what i've seen, recent madwifi drivers don't really need those patches.. at least, i've never had to patch mine to be able to do packet injection. anyway, to build madwifi you will need to install build-essential and linux-headers-`uname -r` |
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| 01:23.50 | Kevin` | then since you want to mess with it yourself anyway, go to madwifi.org and download 0.9.3 |
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| 01:24.34 | agent | I am missing classes in module QtGui in pyqt4 (python-qt4). Is this to be expected? |
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| 01:25.21 | dfx- | Kevin`: thanks. I've been reading through the docs at madwifi.org, specificaly the debian section. I just started browsing through the aircrack-ng site to see if there's any documentation there. thanks for your help. |
| 01:26.01 | Kevin` | dfx- I don't recommend doing anything special other then (after patching it if needed) "make", "make install" |
| 01:27.18 | dfx- | Kevin`: aight. I'll let you know how it goes |
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| 01:38.04 | farmermt | any parallel printer users out there? Can cups make a printer not come online or is it the printer? |
| 01:39.15 | nhuisman_work | most old printers have buttons that need to be pressed |
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| 01:40.06 | farmermt | nhuisman it seems to be ignoring them do I set it up as a ipp url? |
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| 01:41.18 | en1gma | hey all my friend is here and we are installing debian i386 on hix box as we speak....he was asking me about limewire and im asking is there any prebuilt packages for debian |
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| 01:41.42 | farmermt | wols_: hey it is mfrisch am trying mondo and it freaked out, it quit at 37 percent and barely backed anything up ever have any problems like that? |
| 01:42.20 | farmermt | en1gma: use to be...maybe contrib or non-free |
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| 01:43.26 | en1gma | well i was browsing contrib and non-free and didnt see anything called limewire |
| 01:43.52 | farmermt | en1gma: azeurus is bittorrent (how every you spell it) |
| 01:43.53 | en1gma | maybe i didnt go deep enough i just went into /contrib/ and /non-free/ not sure if its deeper than that |
| 01:44.07 | farmermt | en1gma: search for it ? |
| 01:44.30 | en1gma | hes not installed amd im in windows so i couldnt search |
| 01:44.33 | en1gma | i had to browse |
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| 01:44.48 | nhuisman_work | can't he just use ubuntu for a workstation? |
| 01:44.54 | farmermt | en1gma: goto packages.debian.org ?? |
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| 01:45.53 | en1gma | havent tried there |
| 01:46.04 | en1gma | just checked the ftb.de.debian.org |
| 01:46.12 | en1gma | bbiam helping him update |
| 01:46.34 | nhuisman_work | god i love how fast virtual debian installs boot |
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| 01:47.01 | farmermt | nhuisman_work: xen? |
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| 01:47.05 | nhuisman_work | yeah |
| 01:47.27 | farmermt | nhuisman_work: debrootstrap rules xen-tools is great too |
| 01:47.32 | nhuisman_work | i'm using that |
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| 01:47.48 | nhuisman_work | installs a debian system in 30 seconds |
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| 01:47.57 | nhuisman_work | boots in 10 seconds |
| 01:48.03 | nhuisman_work | install my samba pdc in 2 minutes |
| 01:48.08 | farmermt | nhuisman_work: did it set up bridging correctly? |
| 01:48.13 | nhuisman_work | yes |
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| 01:48.40 | cafuego | Muaha, slack 3.0 in vmware boots in 3 seconds ;-) |
| 01:48.57 | farmermt | cafuego: he said install! |
| 01:49.06 | nhuisman_work | well i had dhcp so I think that added |
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| 01:49.14 | nhuisman_work | lets see how fast it really is |
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| 01:51.50 | farmermt | What is the WM that mimics win95? it was a while ago. |
| 01:52.03 | nhuisman_work | oh god, yuck |
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| 01:52.11 | CyberMad | sorry for dumb question.. |
| 01:52.20 | farmermt | nhuisman_work: what slow ;-( |
| 01:52.36 | nhuisman_work | trying to figure out how to time it |
| 01:52.55 | farmermt | nhuisman_work: can connect to the console |
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| 01:53.16 | nhuisman_work | yeah but besides just counting in my head |
| 01:53.18 | CyberMad | i want to chmod /var/lib/mysql/db1/ to -rw-rw---- so, what i must to do: chmod 660 /var/lib/mysql/db1/ ? is that correct? |
| 01:53.32 | cafuego | farmermt: He did not. Be silent. |
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| 01:54.05 | farmermt | cafuego: what I do already? ;-( |
| 01:54.06 | dondelelcaro | CyberMad: why do you want to do that? |
| 01:54.20 | CyberMad | i just want the chmod 660 only affect files under /var/lib/mysql/db1/ |
| 01:54.38 | dondelelcaro | CyberMad: yes; I'm asking why you want to chmod it 0660, though. |
| 01:55.02 | dondelelcaro | (there's no reason for anything but the user who mysqld is running at to have write access to those files) |
| 01:55.09 | CyberMad | dondelelcaro i tried to update the database value.. but i got #1036 - Table 'harga_user' is read only so i already did chgrp to mysql:mysql |
| 01:55.31 | dondelelcaro | CyberMad: what are the permissions on that table? |
| 01:55.32 | CyberMad | but still got the problem.. i think the problem is i haven't set the permission (chmod) |
| 01:55.40 | dondelelcaro | (they should be 0600 or similar) |
| 01:55.56 | CyberMad | -rw-r--r-- 1 mysql mysql 1024 2000-05-01 02:56 harga_workflowaction.MYI |
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| 01:56.16 | nhuisman_work | yeah something like 5 or 6 seconds |
| 01:56.20 | CyberMad | i see on mysql databse.. the permission is -rw-rw---- |
| 01:56.24 | nhuisman_work | from create to login prompt |
| 01:56.37 | dondelelcaro | CyberMad: so chmod 0660 harga_workflowaction.MYI |
| 01:56.44 | dondelelcaro | !tell CyberMad -about permissions |
| 01:56.49 | \homer | are u sure that the mysql server runs as user mysql? |
| 01:57.33 | CyberMad | dondelelcaro so from my first question.. chmod 0660 /var/lib/mysql/db1/ ? is that affect to db1 (directory) or files under db1? |
| 01:57.34 | cafuego | farmermt: You contradicted me, which was your fatal (and last) mistake! MUAHAHAHA! |
| 01:58.02 | CyberMad | i want the chmod command affect to all files under db1/ |
| 01:58.04 | cafuego | farmermt: Incidentally, you after 'icewm' ? |
| 01:58.26 | cafuego | CyberMad 0660 on a directory is not what you want. |
| 01:58.59 | dondelelcaro | CyberMad: you just want to chmod 0660 the files that have the wrong permissions, or find /var/lib/mysql/db1 -type f -print0|xargs -0 chmod 0660; |
| 01:59.03 | farmermt | cafuego: I did? I know better than that. Don't remember I think so...I am on a my friends fresh install and well he is use to win95 more right now. (too many choices) |
| 01:59.07 | cafuego | chmod 0660 /var/lib/mysql/db1/* will be fine, though |
| 01:59.12 | dondelelcaro | CyberMad: man find; man xargs; man chmod; to understand what that just did. |
| 01:59.20 | CyberMad | cafuego thanks.. |
| 01:59.51 | CyberMad | dondelelcaro thanks :) i already read the manual, but i need to make sure what i want to do is correct |
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| 02:02.10 | CyberMad | damn.. :( can i ask mysql question in this channel? i still got the problem, even already set the chgrp to mysql:mysql and set the permission... i still got #1036 - Table 'harga_user' is read only |
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| 02:40.17 | siimo | hi is there VLC video lan player avaiable in lenny |
| 02:42.57 | siimo | :-/ |
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| 02:45.05 | siimo | can someone help me with this error: http://pastebin.ca/484216 |
| 02:46.49 | be`o | siimo, install libncurses5-dev |
| 02:48.09 | siimo | thanks that worked |
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| 02:50.20 | MatthewG | Will the debian etch kernel support 4GB of memory? Or do I need some special himem support? |
| 02:50.41 | be`o | MatthewG, check your /boot/config |
| 02:50.43 | siimo | MatthewG: should do i think.. i have 2gb and its all showing |
| 02:51.47 | paroneayea_ | so, uh |
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| 02:51.56 | paroneayea_ | no more linux-headers in unstable eh |
| 02:52.06 | be`o | CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G |
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| 03:02.08 | jnguy | Howdy all. I'm having issues with hald |
| 03:02.22 | jnguy | I get S20inted: no such file or directory |
| 03:02.30 | jnguy | and S20xprint no such file or directory |
| 03:02.36 | jnguy | I can't tell where hald is getting these files from... |
| 03:02.42 | abhi | can anyone tell me a site to instructions given how to install mp3 support and mounting hdd and other settings for debian 4.0 |
| 03:04.21 | abhi | help pls |
| 03:05.29 | thingfish | abhi: I think mp3 support is already there, if you did a desktop environment install. |
| 03:05.30 | jnguy | have you tried a google search? |
| 03:05.33 | jnguy | http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/why-linux-dont-support-mp3-and-selected-wifi-cards-out-of-the-box.html |
| 03:06.00 | jnguy | mp3 isn't free, and therefore not included with debian iirc |
| 03:06.07 | thingfish | um yes it is |
| 03:06.14 | thingfish | so is ntfs read |
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| 03:06.28 | abhi | thanks ,but i have done the development env. install |
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| 03:07.02 | Ronin | then shouldnt you be able to fix it yourself? |
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| 03:08.27 | abhi | is there any wiki site like ubuntu for debian? |
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| 03:08.50 | liable | doh |
| 03:08.52 | liable | whats a development env install? |
| 03:09.02 | Ronin | ya good question abhi |
| 03:09.06 | Ronin | damn it |
| 03:09.11 | Ronin | that wasnt even close to liable |
| 03:09.16 | jnguy | anyone on hald? |
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| 03:13.40 | abhi | how to mount a file system in fstab? |
| 03:13.41 | Aviator | how do i know the contents of the etch torrent files? |
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| 03:22.14 | dondelelcaro | abhi: mount /path/to/mountpoint; or similar. |
| 03:23.08 | dondelelcaro | Aviator: the torrent file will tell you which cd/dvd it is for. |
| 03:23.08 | dondelelcaro | abhi: wiki.debian.org is the Debian wiki |
| 03:23.09 | rox | is fglrx still broken in unstable? |
| 03:23.10 | dfx- | Kevin`: thanks for your help. i ended up uninstalling the modules and such created by the debian package (using instructions from madwifi's site) and downloading the latest aircrack patch and matching version from snapshot.madwifi.org. I finally have packet injection working. Thanks for your assistance earlier. |
| 03:23.51 | dondelelcaro | rox: check the bts |
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| 03:24.12 | skyde | how do i make a script "python script.py" start when my machine boot |
| 03:25.00 | dondelelcaro | skyde: add a @reboot line in your crontab, or start it in rc.local, or make an init script for it |
| 03:25.13 | Aviator | okay, thanks |
| 03:26.59 | Rusty1 | jnguy: there is a #hal channel FWIW |
| 03:27.06 | skyde | i would like to make a init script |
| 03:27.19 | skyde | but i need to run python interpreter |
| 03:27.21 | skyde | not a bin file |
| 03:27.29 | skyde | this is what i dont understand how to do |
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| 03:27.32 | dondelelcaro | skyde: it's the same thing |
| 03:27.54 | dondelelcaro | skyde: you can either call python fooscript; or you can drop in a shebang line, make it +x, and /path/to/fooscript |
| 03:28.11 | rox | skule: there is a template init script in /etc/init.d/skeleton |
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| 03:28.17 | rox | skyde: i ment you |
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| 03:29.37 | skyde | humm |
| 03:29.42 | skyde | ./server.py |
| 03:29.43 | skyde | it work |
| 03:29.45 | skyde | thanks |
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| 03:30.26 | abhi | dondelelcaro: thanks |
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| 03:31.14 | rox | skyde: now put that command into thetemplate init script and then edit your runlevels |
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| 03:32.28 | skyde | by default what is the run level |
| 03:32.49 | dondelelcaro | skyde: 2 |
| 03:32.59 | dondelelcaro | skyde: but in Debian, 2 3 4 are equivalent |
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| 03:36.31 | geekunit | Anyone know how to change the default audio output in gnome? I need to switch it from dsp to dsp1 |
| 03:36.55 | jnguy | Rusty1: Thanks. |
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| 03:37.02 | triplc | Hi! How to enable server-side-include (SSI)? I install Etch with Apache2 default configuration... I do not know which "mod" to enable (symlink to mods-ena...) so that SSI work (so that I can use .shtml files). |
| 03:38.22 | triplc | (it tooks me a while to discover that to enable php, i need to create symblink to php5.load and php5.conf) |
| 03:40.12 | skyde | i made strange thing |
| 03:40.20 | skyde | my app dont start at boot |
| 03:40.22 | WarOnFoxNews | oh no |
| 03:40.25 | WarOnFoxNews | you people again |
| 03:40.26 | WarOnFoxNews | er, us |
| 03:40.27 | skyde | but try to start when i shutdown |
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| 03:42.40 | en1gma | what java does debian 4.0 need |
| 03:42.50 | en1gma | i dlaoded java6 but its not working on a website i goto |
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| 03:43.18 | en1gma | which java does work or do i need to reboot |
| 03:43.46 | dga | what must i install in order for my laptop's function key to work in X? |
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| 03:45.00 | siimo | hi there anyone know of videolan player is in lenny |
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| 03:50.09 | Nemoder | siimo: I use vlc in lenny |
| 03:50.27 | siimo | Nemoder: does it work with wmv video? |
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| 03:51.10 | Nemoder | siimo: yeah, although I also have debian-multimedia codecs installed |
| 03:51.37 | siimo | Nemoder: where to get those |
| 03:51.53 | Nemoder | !debian-multimedia |
| 03:51.53 | dpkg | it has been said that debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
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| 03:53.04 | skyde | i dont understand |
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| 03:58.11 | siimo | Nemoder: sweet as i dont need debian multimedia i am able to play divx mpeg and windows media player videos fine with vlc |
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| 03:58.58 | siimo | looks like vlc really is the mother of all multimedia players |
| 04:00.17 | Nemoder | it is getting pretty good |
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| 04:00.49 | Nemoder | I think mplayer handles more formats but vlc handles streaming better |
| 04:01.13 | siimo | yeah mplayer and xine can handle anything you throw at it if you compile with windows dll codec support |
| 04:01.16 | Nemoder | and I like xine best for dvds |
| 04:01.31 | siimo | but i like vlc as its the one stop shop for most things i need without requiring external codecs |
| 04:02.11 | asarch | Where is xorgconfig? |
| 04:02.33 | siimo | Nemoder: does gstreamer plugins ugly have mp3 support in debian |
| 04:02.33 | Nemoder | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:02.49 | Nemoder | siimo: not sure, don't use gstreamer |
| 04:02.56 | asarch | Nemoder: No, not the config file but the configurer instead |
| 04:03.12 | asarch | That little program to tailor you X session |
| 04:03.13 | Nemoder | asarch: dpkg-reconfigure xorg ? |
| 04:03.26 | thingfish | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 04:03.29 | asarch | Nemoder: Really? |
| 04:03.30 | Nemoder | doh ya that |
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| 04:03.46 | asarch | Deamn!!! I spend a lot of time with Slackware |
| 04:04.37 | siimo | lol asarch |
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| 04:11.46 | CaT[tm] | mischan |
| 04:12.37 | siimo | guys how do i fix this error: Failed to open sound device /dev/dsp: No such file or directory |
| 04:12.37 | siimo | Failed to connect virtual device sound. |
| 04:13.50 | Nemoder | siimo: tell the app to use alsa or install the oss-emu (or oss itself) |
| 04:14.15 | siimo | Nemoder: this is vmware.. dont think it can use alsa |
| 04:14.47 | Nemoder | vmware fails |
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| 04:19.01 | en1gma | hey all i just did a debian 4.0 i386 install on my friends computer then we updated to sid |
| 04:19.23 | en1gma | installed jave6 jre in synaptic |
| 04:19.36 | en1gma | iceweasel or epiphany are not doing java |
| 04:19.41 | en1gma | can someone help me |
| 04:20.21 | en1gma | i also dloaded from suns site jave6update1 and it also did not work |
| 04:20.36 | en1gma | i then installed java5 jre and it also did not work |
| 04:20.39 | en1gma | what is going on |
| 04:21.37 | Nemoder | en1gma: did you install sun-java6-plugin |
| 04:21.45 | en1gma | java6 jre |
| 04:21.51 | en1gma | do i need the plugin? |
| 04:22.06 | Nemoder | if you want it to work in your web browser, yes |
| 04:22.12 | en1gma | omg |
| 04:22.17 | en1gma | ok thanks will try it |
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| 04:29.04 | hunshad | somebody knows the deposit for the package qdvdauthor |
| 04:29.05 | en1gma | it worked |
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| 04:29.08 | en1gma | thanks man |
| 04:29.34 | hunshad | free non-free ? |
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| 04:31.28 | Nemoder | hunshad: I think it is only in debian-multimedia |
| 04:32.06 | hunshad | ok |
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| 04:33.49 | concept10 | im the best ever |
| 04:34.38 | Sandman_ | I'd like to run debian-arm on my Nokia N800. has anyone experience with this? |
| 04:36.07 | purplepenguins | really? |
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| 04:36.17 | purplepenguins | debian-arm, debian-leg |
| 04:36.24 | cafuego | no, metaphorically |
| 04:36.25 | hunshad | Do you know how to change a mpg into video dvd with dvdauthor? |
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| 04:37.49 | en1gma | i installed java6 jre and the plugin and it all works fine but it is only version 1.6.0 if i goto java site and verify i do not have the latest which is 1.6.0.1 so i dloaded their update and tried manually install with sh filename.bin and it installs but it still verifies at 1.6.0 and not 1.6.0.1 |
| 04:38.01 | en1gma | when i manually install the update shouldnt it work |
| 04:39.50 | hunshad | i downloaded dvdauthor but i can't downoad qdvdauthor |
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| 04:40.05 | siimo | are are debian security apt lines really needed with testing? |
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| 04:44.31 | siimo | also what is lenny-proposed-updates |
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| 04:44.49 | dondelelcaro | siimo: there are some times when security releases can't be made through unstable in the normal manner because packages are tied up on rc bugs |
| 04:44.54 | asarch | How can I enable hardware acceleration? |
| 04:45.26 | Sandman_ | of what? |
| 04:45.31 | asarch | glxgears runs tooo slow, like a Matrix effect |
| 04:45.50 | dondelelcaro | siimo: in those cases, the testing security team backports the fix to testing. lenny-proposed-updates is the way that we get packages directly into lenny without going through unstable. It's generally not used until very late in the release process |
| 04:46.29 | gordboy | asarch, you probably want to enable dri & glx in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 04:46.35 | siimo | thanks for the info |
| 04:46.42 | asarch | gordboy: Thanks |
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| 04:47.28 | gordboy | asarch, make a copy. you have to restart X, and if you mess it up, you can always restore the old config |
| 04:47.47 | asarch | gordboy: Ok. Thanks a lot |
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| 04:51.02 | williamham | during a Debian install a there is a menu to select the machine set eg: Webserver, Desktop etc is there to bring this menu up after install has been completed? |
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| 04:51.33 | dondelelcaro | williamham: it's tasksel, and you can see them in aptitude. |
| 04:55.41 | siimo | aptitude seems to install a lot more than apt-get does for same command |
| 04:57.44 | xarquid | yeah, i've noticed that too, siimo |
| 04:58.42 | siimo | xarquid: i think apt has this section called "recommended" that it doesnt install but with aptitude everything installs by default |
| 04:58.58 | siimo | 65-70mb for xfce compared to 30-40mb with apt-get |
| 04:59.08 | xarquid | aye |
| 04:59.44 | CaT[tm] | I like not sucking down every bloody package in sight |
| 05:00.05 | siimo | me too thats why im sticking to apt as it recommneds stuff for extra functionality but doesnt suck it down |
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| 05:00.57 | williamham | dondelelcaro thanks |
| 05:01.13 | siimo | really defeats the puroses of debians ultra modular packages if it forces to install them all o_X |
| 05:01.23 | rox | siimo: use synaptic and click the stuff up |
| 05:01.24 | xarquid | tis why i don't use it ;D |
| 05:01.32 | xarquid | aye, tis what i do hehe |
| 05:01.42 | xarquid | if i'm in a gui-ish mood... |
| 05:01.59 | siimo | rox: what do you mean? click stuff up... ? i dont have synaptic installed as i do most my pkg management in terminal |
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| 05:02.36 | nvz | I just noticed on the mirrors there are seperate cds for gnome, kde, and xfce on the mirrors. |
| 05:02.43 | xarquid | siimo: think rox just assumed or meant kde/aptitude users should use synaptic |
| 05:02.48 | rox | siimo: then do an apt-cache show <package> and include the recommended stuff into your apt-get install command |
| 05:03.30 | rox | siimo: i'm sorry, i foolishly assumed you used a GUI |
| 05:03.34 | siimo | rox: i just said i wasnt interested in recommended stuff thats why i stopped using aptitude as it provides no such option |
| 05:04.02 | siimo | aptitude sucks everything under the sun thats related to that package |
| 05:04.12 | nvz | heh |
| 05:04.20 | xarquid | hehe |
| 05:04.21 | rox | siimo: i misunderstood your complaint |
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| 05:05.13 | siimo | but then aptitude also remembers what was installed as a dep and removes it when removing the package but this isnt my big concert as i reinstall often |
| 05:05.36 | siimo | only if they add this feature into apt |
| 05:05.44 | rox | siimo: then use deborphan |
| 05:06.01 | nvz | siimo: why do you reinstall? thats got to get old |
| 05:06.28 | siimo | nvz: i am always jumping hoops between different distros.. maybe every 4-5 months lol |
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| 05:07.14 | rox | siimo: debian package management will keep you coming back to debian :-) |
| 05:07.15 | Nemoder | but debian is the best, you own't need to install any others ;) |
| 05:07.17 | xarquid | i do the same thing but keep my main and just chroot to a new one and try it out usually in a virtual console |
| 05:07.22 | nvz | siimo: whatever puls your bandwagon |
| 05:07.27 | purplepenguins | apt is fine and dandy |
| 05:07.41 | purplepenguins | can't think of another binary package manager so nice |
| 05:08.04 | siimo | pacman is pretty good |
| 05:08.05 | pdroy | Hi all, I just got a Dual Opteron 250 server, which is the best kernel I should use ? |
| 05:08.17 | nvz | !pacman |
| 05:08.17 | dpkg | from memory, pacman is package controller. |
| 05:08.18 | purplepenguins | never tried pacman honestly |
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| 05:08.26 | purplepenguins | it is for arch right? |
| 05:08.38 | Nemoder | siimo: actually the recommends and pulling off packages that I need for 3rd party stuff is why I still use dselect instead of aptitude |
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| 05:08.43 | siimo | yeah developed by arch and few others have adopted it too |
| 05:09.00 | foo | Hmm, noapic acpi=off as a kernel parameter does what, exactly? Does the bot have any facts on this? |
| 05:09.21 | rox | foo: ask it |
| 05:09.22 | pdroy | right now cat /proc/cpuinfo shows only one processor, uname -r gives me 2.6.18-4-486 |
| 05:09.27 | foo | dpkg: noapic? |
| 05:09.35 | foo | dpkg: acpi |
| 05:09.35 | dpkg | from memory, acpi is Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken. for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or http://acpi.sf.net/, or generally better than APM but see also swsusp |
| 05:09.46 | siimo | i really hate suse package managers rest of the others are stable... theirs that new .NET based on keeps throwing random exceptions n stuff o_X |
| 05:09.52 | rox | pdroy: that's because you are running a non-smp kernel |
| 05:10.24 | pdroy | rox: which kernel package would be ideal for my dual opteron |
| 05:10.25 | foo | Hm, that factoid doesn't make sense.. "a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken. (wha?) |
| 05:11.09 | Nemoder | multiple factoids seperated by ", or" |
| 05:11.18 | foo | dpkg: noapic |
| 05:11.19 | rox | pdroy: i'd say it's linux-<version>-k8-smp |
| 05:11.44 | nvz | foo: apic is not acpi |
| 05:11.50 | rox | rox: are you runnig etch? |
| 05:12.01 | foo | nvz: Two different things, I think. |
| 05:12.01 | nvz | foo: apic is advanced programmable inturrupt controller IIRC |
| 05:12.02 | rox | damnit |
| 05:12.17 | rox | pdroy: are you running etch? |
| 05:12.22 | foo | nvz: basically, I need those two parameters to fix this issue etch is having with the realtek chipset. |
| 05:12.24 | pdroy | rox: yes |
| 05:12.30 | foo | nvz: I'm wonder if that'll hurt anything for a server |
| 05:12.36 | nvz | foo: irq conflict probably |
| 05:12.39 | pdroy | rox: its a new server I rented |
| 05:12.57 | foo | nvz: It'll fix irq conflicts or resolve them? |
| 05:12.59 | pdroy | I just have remote access |
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| 05:14.03 | pdroy | I have lot of confusion regarding this 32 and 64 bit architecture, Can I still install all the software after installing the amd64 k8 kernel |
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| 05:14.14 | rokra | PLease what is the command lauched after an install to select source apt? |
| 05:14.22 | foo | nvz: Reading wikipedia, thanks |
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| 05:15.18 | rox | pdroy: i'm not sure about opteron, but my guess is that latest 2.6 kernel with k8-smp |
| 05:15.23 | nvz | foo: yeah it basically doubles the legacy 16 inturrupts |
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| 05:15.38 | rox | pdroy: search for packages with that extension |
| 05:16.00 | foo | nvz: I see. Is it possible that by disabling it (booting with noapic) I could run into some problems later down the road? It was suggested as a fix for my realtek card randomly going out. |
| 05:16.02 | pdroy | rox: thanks, I got this kernel-image-2.6-amd64-k8 |
| 05:16.46 | nvz | foo: shouldnt hurt anything, you could read your dmesg.log and probably tell what the problem is |
| 05:17.01 | pdroy | shall try installing that, hope the machine comes back up, other wise I will have to call for support :) |
| 05:17.07 | rox | pdroy: that would be it |
| 05:17.23 | foo | nvz: Problem with the realtek card? |
| 05:17.30 | triplc | How to make both Skype and TeamSpeak work at the same time? I am using Skype and TeamSpeak, but it looks like they "compete" using the sound device. |
| 05:18.00 | nvz | foo: yeah it would show everything about the bios, acpi, apic, and your network card |
| 05:18.05 | techrush | if they use alsa it should work triplc |
| 05:18.14 | techrush | but i think skype uses oss ....not %100 on that |
| 05:18.17 | nvz | foo: if its going out it would be reported there |
| 05:18.19 | Nemoder | triplc: I don't think it's possible since teamspeak is still using the OSS interface and can't share a mic |
| 05:18.39 | nvz | foo: you may be having irq routing problems or maybe a buggy apic |
| 05:19.00 | triplc | Nemoder: Oh my God!!! |
| 05:19.26 | Nemoder | triplc: there hasn't been a new version of teamspeak for years :( |
| 05:20.13 | triplc | Nemoder: I am using Alsa now |
| 05:20.29 | triplc | Nemoder: So I understand that TS is using OSS over Alsa, right? |
| 05:20.49 | Nemoder | triplc: ya it works with alsa's oss emulator |
| 05:21.34 | Nemoder | triplc: but as I understand it that interface locks the recording device for each program |
| 05:21.50 | triplc | Nemoder: yeah |
| 05:22.14 | foo | nvz: Some verbosity.. Gah, I'm having some issues. lshw shows this for network: description: Ethernet interface product: RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ vendor: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. ... in the midst of loading up a mysql dump via an nfs server, the network appears to go down. I get this in the log: May 11 00:08:27 debian kernel: NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out and May 11 00:08:30 debian kernel: eth0: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex, lpa 0x45E1 ... |
| 05:22.20 | foo | ... /etc/init.d/networking restart fixes the problem... but it keeps on happening. We've checked cable, switch port, replaced all hardware... same issue. It has to be something with this chipset / debian kernel, if I had to guess. Any ideas? |
| 05:23.45 | foo | nvz: Someone (as well as some forums) suggested I boot with noapic and acpi=off ... and that seems to have solved my issue. |
| 05:23.58 | nvz | foo: post the dmesg log with all the timeouts and stuff. make sure it goes all the way back to the bootparm first line |
| 05:24.47 | foo | nvz: hm, so you think there's hope. Alright, I can do this with this system. I'll let you know |
| 05:24.53 | Dewi | Is there some way I can see how fast my USB drive is writing? |
| 05:24.56 | foo | nvz: thanks |
| 05:24.57 | Dewi | it seems to have slowed down |
| 05:25.14 | Dewi | maybe I've somehow got it acting like USB1 instead of 2? |
| 05:25.28 | foo | nvz: Actually, what are the possibilities of a solution that you're thinking about? I spent about 10 hours on this until I eventually figured out it was the NIC. (we swapped all the hardware 3 times) |
| 05:26.01 | nvz | heh, I've had 3 different revisions of those cards, they seem to find strange incompatibility problems |
| 05:26.19 | foo | nvz: ahh, I see. What did you do to solve it? |
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| 05:26.34 | nvz | yours is probably something to do with your onboard timer or inturrupt controller though, but I wouldnt know without seeing the log |
| 05:26.52 | foo | nvz: ok, I can try to reiterate the problem |
| 05:28.06 | rox | foo: or you can paste the log in pastebin |
| 05:28.16 | rox | !pastebin |
| 05:28.16 | dpkg | pastebin is probably a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.ca/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 05:28.21 | foo | rox: of course :) Yeah |
| 05:28.30 | foo | nvz: Upgrading from sarge to etch now. I've only seen this problem on etch |
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| 05:28.44 | cohonen | hey guy s |
| 05:29.01 | cohonen | how do i completely remove the free java ? |
| 05:29.08 | pdroy | !k8 |
| 05:29.08 | dpkg | somebody said k8 was the 64-bit AMD processor family (Opteron). See also <amd64>. |
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| 05:29.18 | pdroy | !amd64 |
| 05:29.18 | dpkg | rumour has it, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64. for flash on amd64, ask me about nspluginwrapper |
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| 05:29.31 | Dewi | cohonen: there are a few bits of free java. Presumably you can remove the package. |
| 05:29.35 | Dewi | cohonen: packages, even |
| 05:29.52 | cohonen | Dewi: i think it installed with eclipse |
| 05:30.03 | bill_gates | Greetings. |
| 05:30.03 | nvz | either way the kernel logs show the problem you can either go off and try different options, install different kernels, change wires..and stop talking about it. |
| 05:30.12 | Dewi | cohonen: if you didn't use the debian package manager, you'd better ask eclipse |
| 05:30.13 | cohonen | so if i want to uninstall eclipse and anything installed with it |
| 05:30.23 | nvz | ..or you could post the log so someone who knows how to read one can understand what is going on |
| 05:30.29 | rox | bill_gates: welcome |
| 05:30.32 | foo | nvz: kernel logs? /var/log/messages and syslog? |
| 05:30.37 | cohonen | Dewi: i used the pkg man |
| 05:30.49 | nvz | d m e s g . l o g |
| 05:31.00 | Dewi | cohonen: if you were using aptitude, then uninstalling eclipse will probably uninstall anything that came with it |
| 05:31.15 | Dewi | cohonen: otherwise just uninstall whatever you want to uninstall |
| 05:31.40 | cohonen | mnn |
| 05:31.48 | cohonen | problem is i dunno the package name |
| 05:32.07 | foo | nvz: Gotcha. I think I need to lose network connectivity before I can get you that... |
| 05:32.19 | Dewi | cohonen: did you use aptitude to install eclipse? |
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| 05:32.19 | nvz | I want to see your bios map, your motherboard componants.. timers, controllers, i/o ports.. etc its all in there including any messages about routing issues, spurrious inturrupts. blah blah blah |
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| 05:32.45 | foo | nvz: mhmm, I see, ok |
| 05:33.27 | Dewi | so is there some way to measure the throughput to a USB device? |
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| 05:33.37 | Dewi | I'm copying a large file and I'd love to know how long this is going to take |
| 05:34.24 | rox | Dewi: give cp a verbose flag |
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| 05:35.10 | Dewi | rox: really? |
| 05:35.12 | pdroy | HI guys, after installing a AMD64-k8-amp kernel, is installing apache as easy as installing for the 32 bit one. apt-get install apache2 ? |
| 05:35.28 | pdroy | *AMD64-k8-smp |
| 05:35.32 | Dewi | rox: doesn't that just echo filenames? |
| 05:35.48 | Dewi | cohonen: there is a metapackage called 'java2-runtime' |
| 05:35.56 | cohonen | Dewi: thx |
| 05:35.58 | rox | Dewi: not sure, it was just a suggestion |
| 05:36.00 | Dewi | cohonen: and another called 'java2-compiler' |
| 05:36.09 | cohonen | but i messed around with synaptics and i think ive got it |
| 05:36.23 | Dewi | cohonen: if you look at their dependancy lists in aptitude you can see which packages you are using to satisfy |
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| 05:39.50 | Dewi | oh, great |
| 05:39.53 | Dewi | 30 MB/minute |
| 05:39.54 | cohonen | Dewi: that was exactly what i did |
| 05:40.04 | Dewi | not great USB performance |
| 05:40.08 | Dewi | what the hell is wrong with my flash disk? |
| 05:40.23 | cohonen | ohhh per minute |
| 05:40.44 | Dewi | 4GB is going to take all day |
| 05:40.57 | unix_infidel | \less than .5MB....per SECOND! |
| 05:41.04 | cohonen | later |
| 05:41.37 | unix_infidel | Dewi: will take about 2.25hours. |
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| 05:42.18 | Dewi | unix_infidel: okay, copy ctrl-c'd, and now I can't unmount the device because it's "busy" |
| 05:42.34 | unix_infidel | kill the proc that's working on the disk yo. |
| 05:42.37 | unix_infidel | this is basic nix. |
| 05:43.00 | Dewi | unix_infidel: wasn't that 'cp' ? |
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| 05:43.50 | Dewi | oh, just another bash in the directory |
| 05:44.54 | Dewi | is cp meant to leave half-completed files behind when killed? |
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| 05:48.12 | valdyn | Dewi: when killed how? |
| 05:48.33 | Dewi | valdyn: ctrl-c |
| 05:48.35 | valdyn | Dewi: suppose it is though |
| 05:48.42 | valdyn | Dewi: yea |
| 05:48.57 | Dewi | copy across network = 30 seconds |
| 05:49.03 | Dewi | copy to usb = 10 mins |
| 05:49.08 | Dewi | no, wait, 15 |
| 05:49.13 | Dewi | what the hell is going on? |
| 05:49.21 | CaT[tm] | usb drives suck at random access |
| 05:49.25 | Dewi | this flash disk is running literally 20 to 50 *times* slower than normal |
| 05:49.34 | CaT[tm] | and most suck at writes |
| 05:49.36 | Dewi | CaT[tm]: normally I can fill it in 20 mins, now it's taking nearly 3 hours |
| 05:49.47 | Dewi | and this is now from windows; it's definitely the disk :( |
| 05:49.50 | valdyn | Dewi: normal for what? flash disks can be pretty slow |
| 05:50.00 | Dewi | valdyn: normal for this same disk, until today |
| 05:50.31 | Dewi | deleting a file takes about a second |
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| 05:50.37 | valdyn | Dewi: slow without an error in dmesg under linux? |
| 05:50.59 | xoz_ | Dewi: reformat it? |
| 05:51.08 | Dewi | valdyn: yep |
| 05:51.11 | Dewi | xoz_: tried it |
| 05:51.15 | valdyn | Dewi: deleting taking time sure is an error |
| 05:51.25 | valdyn | Dewi: in hardware or driver.. |
| 05:51.28 | Dewi | it just took a minute to delete ~70 small files |
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| 05:51.45 | xoz_ | Dewi: what brand is that? |
| 05:51.51 | valdyn | Dewi: you're using a know stable fs right? |
| 05:51.58 | valdyn | Dewi: you're using a known stable fs right? |
| 05:52.19 | Dewi | valdyn: fat32 |
| 05:52.28 | Dewi | it must be failing |
| 05:52.33 | valdyn | Dewi: ok, deletion doesnt take time in fat32 |
| 05:52.40 | Dewi | but normally devices just die, they don't start running 50 times slower |
| 05:52.44 | Dewi | particularly when there are no moving parts |
| 05:53.02 | valdyn | Dewi: try a floppy, it will scratch a long time before failing |
| 05:53.04 | Dewi | oh well |
| 05:53.16 | Dewi | somebody just drove nearly an hour to come and pick up some data |
| 05:53.33 | Dewi | valdyn: a 4 GB floppy? |
| 05:53.41 | valdyn | Dewi: no, generally |
| 05:53.44 | Dewi | valdyn: you have a horrifying imagination :) |
| 05:53.56 | valdyn | Dewi: disks can waste a lot of time scratching around finding bad blocks |
| 05:53.59 | amphi | fat64? |
| 05:54.05 | Dewi | valdyn: I don't think I've ever bought a pack of 10 floppies that worked |
| 05:54.06 | foo | nvz: hm, well, after upgrading about 4 systems from sarge -> etch ... seems like this one is having an issue, heh. hmm. |
| 05:54.34 | Dewi | valdyn: and on each new write/read cycle I used to lose another 5 to 10 percent |
| 05:55.11 | valdyn | Dewi: yea, well, point was that floppies can slow down tremendously by being a little faulty, so i guess you usb thingie can too |
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| 05:55.25 | Dewi | valdyn: :( |
| 05:55.34 | Dewi | valdyn: I'd feel better if it was making crazy noises |
| 05:55.35 | Dewi | :P |
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| 05:56.55 | asarch | Does anybody here can make himself undestood in german? |
| 05:57.03 | valdyn | !de |
| 05:57.03 | dpkg | i heard de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 05:57.27 | asarch | valdyn: How do you ask: "Do you speak german?" |
| 05:58.06 | valdyn | asarch: on irc? an unknown person? |
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| 05:58.39 | balman | cannot login to mysql via phpmyadmin. |
| 05:58.44 | Dewi | asarch: you just did? |
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| 05:59.24 | grendal_prime | god this is pissing me off |
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| 05:59.28 | balman | access denied to user 'www-data@localhost' |
| 05:59.47 | asarch | Well, it was actually for a joke. A friend of mine has problems with Beryl and I found this page: http://forum.beryl-project.org/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=6088 |
| 05:59.48 | grendal_prime | i really would like it if i could use my dun server on my treo 650 to connect my laptop to the internet via bluetooth.. |
| 05:59.48 | valdyn | balman: that's good |
| 05:59.59 | grendal_prime | i mean...thats what its there for right? |
| 06:00.05 | balman | valdyn, what do yea mean? |
| 06:00.06 | grendal_prime | anyone else doing this.. |
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| 06:01.00 | turffy | hi I would like to ask whats the difference between xvnc4viewer and vncviewer? |
| 06:01.13 | valdyn | balman: you wouldnt ask a peasant "Sprichst du deutsch?", but you would a friend, a kid, or someone on irc |
| 06:01.42 | balman | balman, Heil Hitler! |
| 06:01.43 | asarch | valdyn: What about a girl you just mee |
| 06:01.45 | balman | :D |
| 06:01.45 | asarch | *meet |
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| 06:02.08 | maddash | i have a sata interface to my hard drive, but for some reason, debian insist on loading sd_mod (scsi device) and ata_piix (scsi/ata). i tested my device read timings with `hdparm -t /dev/sda` and i"m getting ~30MB/s. is this indicative of debian accessing my HD using sata, or scsi? |
| 06:02.23 | valdyn | asarch: depends on age and social circumstances |
| 06:02.29 | balman | valdyn, can't login to a newly installed mysql as root without password. |
| 06:02.38 | asarch | valdyn: On an IRC channel? |
| 06:02.40 | turffy | !info xvncviewer |
| 06:02.47 | valdyn | asarch: oh, irc has no girls |
| 06:02.52 | dpkg | xvncviewer: (Virtual network computing client software for X), section x11, is optional. Version: 3.3.7-14 (sid), Packaged size: 59 kB, Installed size: 144 kB |
| 06:02.52 | valdyn | asarch: only bots |
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| 06:03.12 | asarch | valdyn: Deamn!!! :'( |
| 06:03.14 | valdyn | asarch: you'll type "Sprichst du deutsch?" anywya |
| 06:03.28 | turffy | !info xvnc4viewer |
| 06:03.31 | asarch | valdyn: Ok, thanks a lot man. I owe you one |
| 06:03.32 | dpkg | xvnc4viewer: (Virtual network computing client software for X), section net, is optional. Version: 4.1.1+X4.3.0-21 (sid), Packaged size: 171 kB, Installed size: 440 kB |
| 06:04.01 | valdyn | asarch: which used to be wrong caps and impolite, but these things are getting 'americanised' in an environment as irc |
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| 06:04.54 | asarch | valdyn: And, how can you ask for: "Give a kiss, my heart"? |
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| 06:06.29 | Amarande | hmm, what's a good program under debian to simply test a microphone input? |
| 06:06.37 | Amarande | gnome-sound-recorder doesn't seem to be working |
| 06:06.48 | Amarande | every time I pick "microphone" as input, it changes it to "capture" and gives silence |
| 06:06.50 | valdyn | Amarande: arecord / aplay |
| 06:07.17 | balman | valdyn, after all the fun, do you have any solution for me? |
| 06:07.46 | valdyn | balman: no |
| 06:08.20 | balman | valdyn, u a Germ? |
| 06:08.34 | Amarande | ahh, no wonder |
| 06:08.38 | Amarande | Ich bin ein Dummkopf |
| 06:08.43 | Amarande | I tried testing with the SPEAKERS MUTED |
| 06:08.55 | balman | shit, a lot of Germs around. |
| 06:09.09 | valdyn | Amarande: using a microphone properly doesnt result in direct playback |
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| 06:09.18 | valdyn | Amarande: heck, the hardware doesnt even need to support that |
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| 06:13.19 | sheldonh | valdyn: don't you sleep? :) |
| 06:15.22 | Amarande | ok, debian. |
| 06:15.26 | Amarande | I added a user, where is it? |
| 06:16.09 | liable | debian eats users for breakfast |
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| 06:18.28 | claudio` | I'm trying to mount a NetBSD partition on GNU/Linux. Of course, i've compiled my own kernel enabling the UFS and FSS (for Amiga) filesystems support, but without results. I've googled a bit but all test i done didn't get any interesting results. Does anyone have an idea of how to mount this kind of filesystems? |
| 06:18.34 | claudio` | Sorry for my english and THX. |
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| 06:21.12 | asarch | claudio: Linux can't use NetBSD partitions |
| 06:21.26 | asarch | claudio`: Linux can't use NetBSD partitions |
| 06:21.48 | asarch | claudio`: The only way you can mount a NetBSD partition is through NFS |
| 06:22.14 | claudio` | champagne |
| 06:22.15 | asarch | claudio`: You need to export a part of the NetBSD filesystem and then mount it on the Linux box |
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| 06:22.49 | Amarande | odd. |
| 06:22.56 | hoodlum | hi, im wondering how i can access network sharese through terminal? |
| 06:22.59 | Amarande | you'd think the kernel would support such things by now. |
| 06:22.59 | hoodlum | shares* |
| 06:23.00 | Amarande | why not? :| |
| 06:23.07 | claudio` | I'll read something about online. THX asarch |
| 06:23.30 | asarch | claudio`: Good luck. |
| 06:23.35 | claudio` | But, there is the UFS support on Linux. NetBSD have the UFS filesystem |
| 06:23.37 | claudio` | so why i can't mount it? |
| 06:23.49 | hoodlum | what are you trying to mount claudio`? |
| 06:23.51 | asarch | claudio`: Read the FreeBSD' manual about NFS |
| 06:24.00 | asarch | claudio`: It has an excellent tutorial about this |
| 06:24.02 | cafuego | You didn't pass the correct mount option, like "ufs=44bsd" for instance? |
| 06:24.10 | claudio` | cafuego: of course i do |
| 06:24.16 | claudio` | hoodlum: a NetBSD partition |
| 06:24.19 | hoodlum | ah k |
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| 06:24.40 | Amarande | yeah, what I'm wondering is how the kernel could go so long without NetBSD filesystem support. |
| 06:25.00 | hoodlum | would anyone be able to help me with accessing networked shares through the command line? |
| 06:25.40 | asarch | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:26.18 | hoodlum | well.. i have a share on my xp machine, what i want to do is create a cron job to back up my albums folder to my linux fileserver |
| 06:26.21 | hoodlum | which is all good and well |
| 06:26.28 | hoodlum | but accessing the folder through the cli is done how? |
| 06:26.33 | asarch | hoodlum: Let's dance Samba! |
| 06:26.34 | claudio` | asarch: i'm reading about NFS but it works trough the network while i have to use an hard disk which is phisically inside my PC case |
| 06:26.41 | hoodlum | yar, i have samba installed :) |
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| 06:26.51 | asarch | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:26.53 | hoodlum | and i have a share on the file server setup |
| 06:26.53 | valdyn | hoodlum: mount -t cifs //server/share /path/to/mountpoint |
| 06:27.02 | hoodlum | ahhhhh yup thanks valdyn |
| 06:27.12 | asarch | claudio`: No, NetBSD has to be running so it can works |
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| 06:27.36 | wols_ | azeem_: then why does linux have ufs support in the kernel? |
| 06:27.48 | wols_ | claudio`: check if you have a BSD partition shown |
| 06:27.53 | wols_ | if yes, mount it |
| 06:28.05 | claudio` | hdb1: <netbsd: hdb5 hdb6 hdb7 > |
| 06:28.11 | hoodlum | valdyn how come cifs isnt in mounts man dir of vfs |
| 06:28.14 | hoodlum | types8 |
| 06:28.14 | claudio` | wols_: how? ;) |
| 06:28.29 | wols_ | cat /proc/partitions |
| 06:28.32 | wols_ | and: man mount |
| 06:28.45 | claudio` | wols_: i already did man mount |
| 06:28.52 | claudio` | i'd read the whole manual |
| 06:28.53 | valdyn | hoodlum: man mount.cifs |
| 06:28.55 | wols_ | claudio`: then do it again |
| 06:28.56 | claudio` | but withotu any results. |
| 06:28.59 | hoodlum | ok valdyn |
| 06:29.04 | wols_ | claudio`: it has a section about ufs |
| 06:29.08 | hoodlum | no man entrey valdyn? |
| 06:29.09 | asarch | claudio`: cat /proc/partitions |
| 06:29.17 | asarch | claudio`: Paste the results |
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| 06:29.26 | claudio` | wols_: i already tried with the correct parameters |
| 06:29.27 | claudio` | asarch: ok |
| 06:29.31 | nvz | hoodlum: heh thats just mount(8) for short, and its a section of the linux manual pages. |
| 06:29.40 | hoodlum | ah k |
| 06:29.41 | asarch | claudio`: Give us as much information you can so we can help you, please |
| 06:29.41 | wols_ | claudio`: how can they be correct when it didn't work apparently? |
| 06:29.51 | claudio` | wols_: because there is no kernel support |
| 06:29.52 | hoodlum | yer |
| 06:30.11 | hoodlum | i know :S |
| 06:30.27 | wols_ | claudio`: what kernel? |
| 06:30.29 | claudio` | This is the output i get: http://rafb.net/p/dPUPf372.html |
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| 06:30.55 | wols_ | claudio`: hdb is a disk, not a partition |
| 06:31.06 | claudio` | wols_: i get the same output with hdb? |
| 06:31.30 | asarch | claudio`: cat /proc/partitions |
| 06:31.35 | wols_ | claudio`: what kernel? |
| 06:31.42 | asarch | Linux |
| 06:31.48 | claudio` | of course |
| 06:31.54 | claudio` | linux 2.6.18 |
| 06:31.55 | valdyn | hoodlum: the manpage is in the 'smbfs' package |
| 06:32.03 | hoodlum | ah k |
| 06:32.16 | wols_ | claudio`: debian stock kernel? ethc? |
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| 06:32.20 | wols_ | *etch |
| 06:32.21 | claudio` | This is my /proc/partitions file: http://rafb.net/p/jlsdNr82.html |
| 06:32.27 | claudio` | wols_: etch upgraded |
| 06:32.41 | claudio` | I would like to build my own kernel with UFS support |
| 06:32.48 | claudio` | but it's already in the generic kernel, AFAIK. |
| 06:32.57 | wols_ | yes it is |
| 06:33.07 | valdyn | claudio`: why the hell is your first partition on hdb already an extended partition? |
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| 06:33.37 | claudio` | valdyn: i have an answer, sorry |
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| 06:33.39 | claudio` | *haven't |
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| 06:34.23 | asarch | claudio`: mkdir /mnt/netbsd; mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/netbsd as root |
| 06:34.34 | valdyn | hdb1 cant be mounted |
| 06:34.38 | valdyn | its an extended partition |
| 06:35.00 | valdyn | ( well, if it could be mounted then there would be some funny things wrong ) |
| 06:35.01 | claudio` | mount wants the filesystem and if i type -t ufs i get the errors above. |
| 06:35.01 | asarch | mount /dev/hdb5 /mnt/netbsd as root |
| 06:35.22 | claudio` | nothing also with 6 and 7. |
| 06:35.32 | asarch | Yeap, Linux officially doesn't support UFS |
| 06:35.58 | valdyn | claudio`: custom kernel? |
| 06:36.18 | valdyn | asarch: eh? linux supports ufs |
| 06:36.19 | claudio` | Same output. |
| 06:36.42 | claudio` | I also enabled the FSS (which was for Amiga OS) but doesn't works anyway. |
| 06:37.09 | asarch | valdyn: Yeah, I asked long time ago in http://www.justlinux.com/ about this |
| 06:37.17 | valdyn | claudio`: mount doesnt work as you use it, specify the fs |
| 06:37.42 | claudio` | sure, i use the -t flag |
| 06:37.44 | valdyn | asarch: where's the part about ufs on that site |
| 06:37.47 | valdyn | claudio`: ok |
| 06:38.00 | asarch | valdyn: Let me found it... |
| 06:40.33 | claudio` | http://www.xs4all.nl/~vhouten/mipsel/netbsd.html#bsdboot |
| 06:40.36 | claudio` | Here the dude mounted the NetBSD root partition with Linux |
| 06:40.37 | valdyn | claudio`: mount -t ufs2 |
| 06:40.38 | claudio` | so it's supported, i assume. |
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| 06:40.46 | claudio` | valdyn: unknown filesystem |
| 06:41.20 | valdyn | claudio`: ok, guess ufs2 support is within ufs |
| 06:41.33 | claudio` | guess UFS2 support doesn't exists |
| 06:41.34 | claudio` | -.- |
| 06:41.42 | hoodlum | thanks valdyn all worked :) |
| 06:41.47 | valdyn | claudio`: it is in 2.6 kernels |
| 06:42.36 | valdyn | claudio`: http://julipedia.blogspot.com/2004/11/linuxs-ufs-support.html |
| 06:42.49 | claudio` | hehe |
| 06:42.54 | claudio` | i was reading that |
| 06:42.54 | claudio` | :-) |
| 06:43.28 | en1gma | where is the place to get gnome themes or backgrouns |
| 06:43.32 | en1gma | sure looks like crap |
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| 06:43.40 | claudio` | But while installing NetBSD there is nothing about UFS, just FSS and FSSv2 |
| 06:43.53 | valdyn | en1gma: there's already nice themes in debian |
| 06:44.08 | valdyn | en1gma: there's backgrounds wherever there's pictures in the intarweb |
| 06:44.19 | en1gma | the themes dont look that great to me |
| 06:44.30 | en1gma | maybe cause sid wouldnt dload the extra gnome themes |
| 06:44.38 | claudio` | Anyway they use FSSv2 to referring to UFS2, AFAIK. |
| 06:45.16 | nomad_cz | claudio`: blogs are nice but why do not look at ufs.txt in /usr/src/linux/Documentation/filesystems ? |
| 06:45.20 | valdyn | claudio`: that's just one layer on top of ufs2, mounting an ufs2 volume implies fss support |
| 06:45.44 | valdyn | ffs even |
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| 06:46.24 | claudio` | nomad_cz: i'll give a glance, THX |
| 06:46.37 | nomad_cz | claudio`: You are welcome ;) |
| 06:46.42 | claudio` | oh, nothing of interesting |
| 06:46.46 | claudio` | all things we already known |
| 06:46.47 | claudio` | ;) |
| 06:46.59 | nomad_cz | claudio`: Sorry to hear that ;) |
| 06:47.13 | claudio` | :\ |
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| 06:48.06 | fouressence | I'm having what, to me, seems a rather odd issue; I built and installed the rt73 driver for my usb wireless adapter, modprobed it, then realized it wasn't working properly, so I tried uninstalling it using modprobe -r rt73. |
| 06:48.31 | maddash | does '2.6.20-rc6-mm2' refer to 2.6.20 or 2.6.20.6? |
| 06:48.37 | fouressence | It didn't work though. modprobe -l still lists it in there, and ndiswrapper -l is telling me that the other driver is still active. |
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| 06:48.42 | valdyn | maddash: haha |
| 06:48.54 | valdyn | maddash: you seriously want to use that kernel? |
| 06:49.08 | valdyn | maddash: it refers to neither nor |
| 06:49.27 | claudio` | fouressence: tried with the -f flag? |
| 06:49.28 | maddash | valdyn: why "haha"? |
| 06:49.35 | Vasistha | maddash: rc6 is probably *before* 2.6.20 (or 2.6.20.6) |
| 06:49.45 | fouressence | claudio: modprobe -r -f rt73? mhmm. Didn't do anything. |
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| 06:49.59 | valdyn | maddash: because you're lucky if that kernel compiles, insanely lucky if it runs somewhat decently |
| 06:50.07 | Vasistha | maddash: 'rc' means 'release candidate' -- it's essentially a beta. Why use a beta when there has been a stable release? |
| 06:50.20 | valdyn | omg no, this isnt even beta |
| 06:50.21 | fouressence | claudio: I even, as probably stupid as this is, tried just deleting the rt73.ko file. |
| 06:50.28 | valdyn | its BASED ON a beta kernel |
| 06:50.31 | Amarande | Vasistha, some people would say every linux version is technically beta. :) |
| 06:50.46 | fouressence | Tried blacklisting it as well... |
| 06:50.54 | Vasistha | Amarande: alright, sure. and some people would say every windows kernel is an alpha |
| 06:50.59 | maddash | Vasistha: because I'm trying to use a bunch of patches that are supposed to patch onto 2.6.20 |
| 06:51.01 | hoodlum | msn |
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| 06:51.26 | Amarande | well, the kernel is an ongoing development project, especially now that they don't have a separate minor branch for testing |
| 06:51.27 | maddash | Vasistha: and there's no documentation. I guess I'll grep out the patch files with "rc6-mm" in them |
| 06:51.29 | peterS | maddash: right, 2.6.20-rc6 comes before 2.6.20. |
| 06:51.32 | claudio` | fouressence: just to try, use rmmod with the -f flag |
| 06:51.34 | valdyn | maddash: mm kernels are not for users, feel free to try your luck |
| 06:51.46 | claudio` | fouressence: can't you replace the .ko file in order to check if it works properly? |
| 06:51.56 | valdyn | maddash: they havea huge diff to stable or beta kernels |
| 06:51.58 | maddash | valdyn: hell no. thanks for the heads up. |
| 06:52.20 | peterS | what does the "mm" designator mean, anyway? way back in the stone age, it meant "memory management patches", but for the last several years it hasn't meant that at all |
| 06:52.37 | claudio` | fouressence: you also should uninstall the driver with ndiswrapper before to unload the module, i think |
| 06:52.44 | Amarande | peterS, it's like all those silly letters they put after the names of car models to make the cars look better |
| 06:52.59 | fouressence | claudio: tried rmmod -f and it didn't work. Suppose I could try replacing the module... |
| 06:53.07 | valdyn | !rmmod |
| 06:53.08 | dpkg | rmmod is, like, a command that should not be used, use 'modprobe -r' instead |
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| 06:53.20 | claudio` | valdyn: what's the reason? |
| 06:53.27 | valdyn | well, and rmmod -f is just fucked |
| 06:53.33 | claudio` | ehm |
| 06:53.36 | claudio` | yes ok but.. |
| 06:53.39 | claudio` | what's the reason? :-) |
| 06:53.55 | claudio` | Did you look at the source code? |
| 06:53.59 | maddash | peterS: "morton's merge"? |
| 06:54.00 | fouressence | claudio`: I'm actually wanting to install ndiswrapper, because the other driver wasn't working as it should... |
| 06:54.00 | Amarande | peterS, or even worse, those letters that come after the number in video cards, and the same letters can mean a really good or a really crappy card depending on whether you have an nvidia or ATI card |
| 06:54.40 | fouressence | dpkg: Yuppers, tried modprobe -r first, but this pesky module absolutely will not become gone. |
| 06:54.41 | Vasistha | Amarande: reminiscent of the 486, 486 SX, and 486 DX |
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| 06:54.58 | Amarande | wait, there was a 486 without letters? |
| 06:55.04 | Amarande | I thought there was just the 486SX and 486DX |
| 06:55.04 | claudio` | fouressence: how you installed ndiswrapper? |
| 06:55.24 | valdyn | claudio`: -f needs explicit support by the kernel to be even possible and is unsafe in any case |
| 06:55.27 | peterS | Amarande: if you say 486 by itself it means 486DX |
| 06:55.35 | claudio` | valdyn: this is valid for modprobe too |
| 06:56.00 | \amethyst | Don't forget the DX/2 |
| 06:56.05 | claudio` | anyway kernel modules are evils |
| 06:56.06 | Vasistha | hum, I though the '486' was the mid-grade model, between the low-end sx and high-end dx |
| 06:56.06 | peterS | Amarande: not to be confused with the 486DX2, clocked at twice the motherboard crystal, or 486DX4, clocked at 4x |
| 06:56.07 | claudio` | -.- |
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| 06:56.25 | fouressence | claudio`: How did I install ndiswrapper? make, make install, ndiswrapper -i rt72.inf, modprobe ndiswrapper |
| 06:56.37 | claudio` | fouressence: bad |
| 06:56.38 | claudio` | :-P |
| 06:56.47 | valdyn | claudio`: its fucked using modprobe -f is fucked up too, and is something completely different |
| 06:56.50 | fouressence | claudio`: Bad how? |
| 06:56.59 | \amethyst | Vasistha: 486 was renamed 486DX after the 486SX came out |
| 06:57.11 | claudio` | fouressence: i don't know if building your own sources you can get some weird problem |
| 06:57.17 | Vasistha | \amethyst: ahh, so that's what happened! heh, I never knew. |
| 06:57.22 | claudio` | i just use apt and the m-a configuration tool |
| 06:57.28 | Nemoder | hmm I thought only 486dx had the math coprocessor |
| 06:57.32 | claudio` | in this way ndiswrapper always worked for me |
| 06:57.50 | \amethyst | Nemoder: Yeah, 486SX had a disabled coprocessor |
| 06:58.05 | peterS | Nemoder: that is correct, but it doesn't change the fact that if you refer to a plain "486" it is the same as a "486DX" |
| 06:58.07 | Vasistha | I remember saying as a kid, "SX sucks" |
| 06:58.07 | \amethyst | Nemoder: and the 487 (the coprocessor for the 486SX) was just a 486DX with different pinout! |
| 06:58.24 | fouressence | claudio`: I've done it many times before, both on Etch and Ubuntu, Fedora, etc. The only problem is this dern "native" driver; I was hoping to get the non ndis version working for my card, but I get an error when I ifconfig up it. |
| 06:58.26 | claudio` | valdyn: i don't know much about. I'll read something online, even if i suppose that to understand these differences well i need to read the code. |
| 06:58.28 | Nemoder | ahhh I always thought the sx came first, that makes sense now |
| 06:58.45 | claudio` | fouressence: what error? |
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| 06:59.39 | fouressence | claudio`: SIOCSIFFLAGS: Input/output error |
| 06:59.48 | foo | http://wiki.debian.org/?SecuringNFS - is this the recommended way to securing nfs? Anyone know of any other howtos? |
| 06:59.57 | foo | I did that, iirc, it just changes the ports a tad. |
| 07:00.03 | \amethyst | Vasistha: same thing happened with the 386---the original was renamed the DX when the less-powerful SX was released |
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| 07:00.33 | Nemoder | hehe the Celeron of yesteryear |
| 07:00.36 | fouressence | claudio`: That comes when I just "ifconfig rausb0 up", after I've loaded the rt73 driver... |
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| 07:00.55 | Vasistha | \amethyst: from one perspective, though, the DX would have been superior to the non-lettered models, because those later models would have been faster |
| 07:01.54 | claudio` | fouressence: you don't seems to be much lucky :-) |
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| 07:02.17 | intruder | nice old hardware talking |
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| 07:03.10 | fouressence | claudio`: Lol, greatly not today. |
| 07:03.31 | purplepenguins | how does one get opengl working in debian? |
| 07:03.34 | Nemoder | I kinda miss that fad where so many new systems had the clock cycle displayed on LEDs on the case |
| 07:03.57 | Vasistha | Nemoder: with a little turbo button that would double it or cut it in half? :D |
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| 07:04.03 | Nemoder | yeah :) |
| 07:04.20 | fouressence | claudio`: Strange thing though is I've gotten the rt73 driver working entirely without problems in Ubuntu. Just something about Debian is a subtle bit difference... |
| 07:04.24 | \amethyst | Nemoder: I rewired mine to say 'hI' |
| 07:04.28 | intruder | hehe turbo button, who ever wanted to slow down an already slow computer :P |
| 07:04.33 | purplepenguins | anyone? |
| 07:04.35 | claudio` | mmh.. |
| 07:04.48 | claudio` | fouressence: it's exactly the same driver/kernel/ndiswrapper/gcc version? :-) |
| 07:04.49 | Nemoder | haha, I rewired mine when I got a new cpu and then carved a 3rd digit in front of it :P |
| 07:05.11 | Vasistha | purplepenguins: have you started the process? have you hit an error you don't know how to deal with? or do you not even know how to get started? |
| 07:05.30 | fouressence | claudio`: Come to think of it, I think Ubuntu 7.04 is on kernel 2.6.19, 'stead of the stock 2.6.18 |
| 07:05.37 | claudio` | bu |
| 07:05.45 | intruder | fouressence: 2.6.20 |
| 07:05.49 | claudio` | anyway, why don't tri ndiswrapper with the debian way? |
| 07:05.58 | claudio` | Just to do another test ;) |
| 07:05.59 | purplepenguins | blah, I'm a noob, I have opengl |
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| 07:06.08 | purplepenguins | I can't get wine to recognize that though |
| 07:06.10 | fouressence | claudio`: apt-get install ndiswrapper ? |
| 07:06.13 | Nightwalker_ | hi all |
| 07:06.22 | fouressence | intruder: meaning... install 2.6.20? |
| 07:06.34 | wols_ | purplepenguins: what videocard do you have? |
| 07:06.37 | claudio` | fouressence: to be sure: apt-get install build-essential module-assistant ndiswrapper-source |
| 07:06.40 | intruder | fouressence: no, i mean, ubuntu has the 2.6.20 not .19 |
| 07:06.48 | purplepenguins | nvidia 6600GT |
| 07:06.54 | fouressence | intruder: oiff, got it. :) |
| 07:06.54 | claudio` | fouressence: you should uninstall the current compiled package first. |
| 07:07.00 | wols_ | purplepenguins: do you use the nvidia drivers? |
| 07:07.04 | Nemoder | purplepenguins: are you testing wine with a program that is known to work with it? |
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| 07:07.20 | fouressence | claudio`: Okee dokes. I'll give that a try. What's the module-assistant, btw? |
| 07:07.31 | purplepenguins | starcraft, it has worked with it before |
| 07:07.35 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:07.35 | dpkg | somebody said module-assistant was a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or aptitude install module-assistant build-essential && m-a prepare |
| 07:07.44 | wols_ | starcraft is opengl based? |
| 07:07.45 | frankr | How can I burn an MDF file, or convert it to ISO? |
| 07:07.50 | Nemoder | hmm starcraft doesn't use any 3d hardware, it's all 2d |
| 07:07.53 | purplepenguins | it just pops up an error saying that it can't find WineD3D |
| 07:07.58 | purplepenguins | that is weir |
| 07:07.58 | purplepenguins | d |
| 07:07.59 | Nightwalker_ | does any one knows how can i change language settings ( locale ) at console |
| 07:08.01 | claudio` | fouressence: from the apt-get output: ``module-assistant - tool to make module package creation easier'' |
| 07:08.02 | maddash | wols_: directx |
| 07:08.28 | purplepenguins | but wine wants opengl, which is weird |
| 07:08.35 | wols_ | !tell Nightwalker_ about locales |
| 07:08.52 | wols_ | purplepenguins: not ewird. answer my questions please |
| 07:08.58 | valdyn | purplepenguins: is libwine-gl installed? |
| 07:09.03 | purplepenguins | I do use nvidia drivers |
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| 07:09.12 | purplepenguins | 6600GT I'm using |
| 07:09.27 | valdyn | purplepenguins: that's quite irrelevant, which hardware you are using |
| 07:09.38 | Vasistha | frankr: do you know what the file is? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.mdf |
| 07:10.07 | frankr | Vasistha, always thought it was some form of CD image file.. yeah |
| 07:10.15 | purplepenguins | what do you mean which hardware am I using, using a 6600GT video card, nvidia drivers with xorg, pentium 4 proc, 1 gb ram |
| 07:10.15 | frankr | it says alchohol 120's image format |
| 07:10.30 | frankr | This one's a DVD image though |
| 07:10.38 | \amethyst | frankr: iat can convert MDF, so it says |
| 07:10.46 | \amethyst | frankr: also mdf2iso |
| 07:11.00 | purplepenguins | oh, wait, libwine-gl, don't know if I have that... |
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| 07:11.23 | fouressence | claudio`: Thanks for all you suggestions. I'll give it all a try. :) |
| 07:11.24 | \amethyst | frankr: Neither is in stable afaik |
| 07:11.42 | claudio` | fouressence: np. Just let me know if it works |
| 07:12.20 | frankr | \amethyst, ahh.. well I'll just compile iat from source then |
| 07:12.34 | Vasistha | !tell frankr -about simple sid backport |
| 07:12.36 | \amethyst | frankr: the mdf2iso from unstable should run in stable (dependencies look OK). |
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| 07:12.46 | purplepenguins | aha, working flawlessly now, thanks valdyn for your suggestion, sorry to wols if I was acting a bit ignorant |
| 07:12.55 | \amethyst | frankr: iat will have to be rebuilt, or see if someone already has a backport |
| 07:13.02 | frankr | \amethyst, I'm in sid and its not in my repo |
| 07:13.05 | frankr | amd64 |
| 07:13.30 | valdyn | frankr: it is in sid, in amd64 |
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| 07:14.18 | frankr | .. whats the package name |
| 07:14.24 | valdyn | mdf2iso |
| 07:14.27 | valdyn | !info mdf2iso sid |
| 07:14.31 | dpkg | mdf2iso: (A simple utility to convert mdf to iso / cue / toc images), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 0.3.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 28 kB |
| 07:14.31 | \amethyst | frankr: "iat" and "mdf2iso" |
| 07:15.00 | jetx | nobody knows |
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| 07:15.16 | Vasistha | ...the trouble I've seen |
| 07:15.22 | \amethyst | frankr: packages.debian.org says they're both available for amd64 |
| 07:15.37 | claudio` | mounted |
| 07:15.48 | \amethyst | claudio`: what did you have to do? |
| 07:15.53 | frankr | ah I see it but for some reason when I try to apt-get install mdf2iso I get this: http://pastebin.ca/484483 |
| 07:16.14 | claudio` | strings /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/kernel/fs/ufs/ufs.ko |grep ^ufstype |
| 07:16.19 | claudio` | i get a list of all supported filesystem |
| 07:16.26 | valdyn | frankr: that's from one of you earlier fuckups, nothing to do with mdf2iso |
| 07:16.39 | frankr | valdyn, so its not gonna fuckup more if I type yes do as I say? |
| 07:16.42 | claudio` | and i seen that ufs2 is supported (as in the link above) |
| 07:16.48 | claudio` | Finally i mounted it with: sudo mount -r -t ufs -o ufstype=ufs2 /dev/hdb5 test |
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| 07:16.49 | claudio` | -.- |
| 07:17.03 | valdyn | frankr: you're running sid, you should know these things... |
| 07:17.14 | nimak | Has anyone done anything about vim sucking on Dvorak? |
| 07:17.23 | \amethyst | frankr: also upgrade tzdata at the same time |
| 07:17.28 | valdyn | frankr: i wonder what you didnt with our libc6 that it has to be installed |
| 07:18.02 | valdyn | frankr: The following extra packages will be installed: libc6 libc6-dev libc6-dev-i386 libc6-i386 locales |
| 07:18.06 | \amethyst | nimak: It's possible to do something about it, but I don't know if anyone has made a comprehensive treatment of the problem |
| 07:18.37 | \amethyst | valdyn: he hasn't upgraded to libc6 2.5 yet |
| 07:18.57 | valdyn | \amethyst: right, be this is talking about 'INSTALL' not upgrade |
| 07:19.56 | valdyn | frankr: you should do this, but since you seem to be unqualified to fix sid issues, i cant really recommend anything but reinstalling something that isnt sid. |
| 07:21.15 | frankr | valdyn, I can fix most issues, I just like to have a confirmation when my dpkg tells me to be sure of things |
| 07:21.15 | valdyn | \amethyst: maybe its just me misreading this apt-get output |
| 07:21.16 | frankr | I don't take chances |
| 07:21.16 | Vasistha | running sid at all is taking big chances |
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| 07:22.11 | \amethyst | It's fun to unbreak sid, it's just that one is not always in the mood to have such fun *right now* |
| 07:22.43 | valdyn | frankr: try running 'apt-get install utils-linux tzdata' |
| 07:22.46 | valdyn | frankr: try running 'apt-get install util-linux tzdata' |
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| 07:23.37 | frankr | valdyn, I reinstalled those after getting mdf2iso, which isn't working btw |
| 07:23.40 | frankr | telling me unknown format |
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| 07:23.58 | \amethyst | frankr: What about iat then? |
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| 07:26.03 | frankr | \amethyst, trying it now.. seems to be working |
| 07:26.03 | \amethyst | heh |
| 07:26.03 | \amethyst | http://mdf2iso.berlios.de/ |
| 07:26.03 | frankr | its an 8 gig file so I'm assuming its gonna take a bit before I know if its gonna give me a valid iso |
| 07:26.03 | valdyn | dvd images arent isos anyway |
| 07:26.03 | \amethyst | Says in big letters "if you have problems [...] try my new program iat" |
| 07:26.03 | valdyn | beside that it probably already was what people think of as dvd iso and mdf2iso is just stupid |
| 07:26.49 | \amethyst | valdyn: DVDs can be ISO, but it's not ideal |
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| 07:27.07 | valdyn | \amethyst: yea, they could be, but they never are |
| 07:27.19 | valdyn | \amethyst: unless someone went out of their way to do this.. |
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| 07:28.28 | \amethyst | valdyn: DVDs have both ISO and UDF |
| 07:28.37 | \amethyst | valdyn: DVD-video that is |
| 07:29.09 | \amethyst | valdyn: both indexing the same underlying data, of course, so it's not duplicated |
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| 07:31.22 | frankr | iat has been just spitting out these Detect Signature RAW 2 at 17807117 and etc |
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| 07:37.45 | valdyn | frankr: couldnt you mount this directly before? |
| 07:38.03 | Amarande | blah, no wonder everyone uses unreal instead of ircu |
| 07:38.24 | Amarande | do you know how bloody long it takes to edit ircd.conf with ircu now because of the bloody admins and their bloody head_in_sand policy? |
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| 07:45.34 | liable | bloody hell\ |
| 07:45.59 | intruder | Amarande: is one of these gpl'd ? |
| 07:46.34 | Amarande | intruder, I'm pretty sure all major versions of ircd are GPL |
| 07:46.41 | purplepenguins | hmm |
| 07:46.43 | famir | hi, in which folder can i found my H.drives ? |
| 07:46.59 | purplepenguins | why is nice not working when used as a user? is this a debian thing? |
| 07:47.38 | Amarande | intruder, however, Undernet decided to make an admin decision to hide net toplogy in a fascist way |
| 07:47.46 | liable | purplepenguins: you are nicing a process you started? |
| 07:47.53 | Amarande | and reversing this decision involves changing about 40 default lines in ircd.conf from TRUE to FALSE |
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| 07:48.38 | liable | purplepenguins: it wouldnt be very good if users can nice processes they dont own |
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| 07:52.16 | intruder | Amarande: damn |
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| 07:52.38 | Alarm | goodmorning, i try to pass a key for the unofficial repo , and i get this error: alarm@rockpc:~$ gpg --export -a FBABB737 | apt-key add - , gpg: can't open `/etc/apt/trusted.gpg' |
| 07:53.22 | liable | Alarm: add sudo before apt-key add |
| 07:53.37 | Alarm | hmm didnt know i need su privilege |
| 07:53.44 | liable | if you have sudo installed and configured |
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| 07:54.28 | Amarande | intruder, there seems to be some sort of delusion among irc server admins that hiding things like /links and /map from users actually makes DDoS less likely |
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| 07:54.50 | Alarm | alarm@rockpc:~$ sudo gpg --armor --export F82E5CC04B2B2B9E | apt-key add - |
| 07:54.50 | Alarm | gpg: can't open `/etc/apt/trusted.gpg' |
| 07:54.52 | Alarm | same |
| 07:55.06 | intruder | i guess its true, but sometimes you have to trust people |
| 07:55.08 | liable | Alarm: i said to add it before apt-key add |
| 07:56.02 | Alarm | liable, it worked, but not still not 100% . the key was added, but still i get: The following signatures couldn't be verified... |
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| 07:56.26 | liable | Alarm: and you did an update forst? |
| 07:56.31 | liable | first |
| 07:56.35 | Alarm | sure |
| 07:57.35 | Alarm | let me paste it somewhere |
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| 07:58.50 | Alarm | here are my errors: http://mishu.eu.org/paste/view.php?id=3414 |
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| 08:01.06 | liable | Alarm: your paste is truncated |
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| 08:02.01 | Alarm | what would u like more to see ? |
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| 08:02.19 | liable | the whole error from apt |
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| 08:03.10 | Alarm | W: GPG error: http://ftp.debian-unofficial.org etch Release: The following signa tures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY D5 642BC86823D007 |
| 08:04.06 | liable | Alarm: they key you got doesnt seem to be the key the packages are signed with |
| 08:04.22 | Alarm | thats what i found on a webpage about the unofficial.org key |
| 08:04.23 | \amethyst | Alarm: http://www.debian-unofficial.org/faq.html |
| 08:04.32 | \amethyst | Alarm: ah, you did that? |
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| 08:05.03 | liable | obviously not... |
| 08:05.42 | Alarm | i admit that i didnt follow the instructions from the debian website , but from another forum |
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| 08:05.58 | \amethyst | actually, that doesn't work anymore |
| 08:06.15 | Alarm | ok , the instructions from the debian did help |
| 08:06.19 | Alarm | thank you for ur time |
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| 08:06.25 | purplepenguins | blah |
| 08:06.35 | purplepenguins | agpgart is loaded in my kernel |
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| 08:06.40 | \amethyst | debian-unofficial isn't debian |
| 08:06.41 | purplepenguins | and I don't want it to be |
| 08:06.59 | smoker | sry ! |
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| 08:07.32 | purplepenguins | is agpgart compiled in the default debian kernels by default? |
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| 08:07.52 | liable | almost nothing is compiled in |
| 08:07.58 | liable | its all modules |
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| 08:08.16 | purplepenguins | what is the file which lists all the modules to be loaded at boot? |
| 08:08.19 | matehortua | hi all |
| 08:08.27 | purplepenguins | I tried /etc/modules but it is empty |
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| 08:08.48 | liable | purplepenguins: udev does it, blacklist it if you dont want it loaded |
| 08:09.02 | purplepenguins | hmm |
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| 08:09.25 | liable | !blacklist |
| 08:09.25 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, do it in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist using "install module_name /bin/true". IMPORTANT: ask about blacklist-initramfs |
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| 08:11.25 | purplepenguins | hmm |
| 08:11.33 | Amarande | ok, this is odd |
| 08:11.39 | Amarande | when I do netstat without -n, it hangs |
| 08:11.43 | purplepenguins | so I just put 'install agpgart /bin/true' in the blacklist file |
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| 08:11.59 | liable | no |
| 08:12.11 | purplepenguins | his language was slightly weird |
| 08:12.11 | Amarande | ok, now it works |
| 08:12.15 | liable | i dont know who edited that |
| 08:12.29 | matehortua | its been a while since i dont play whit debian, i have just finished installing debian etch from de netinstall version and is working very nice. But as i understnad im working on the stable version ETCH, how can i change to unstable or testing ???? and what is more recommended for non produtcion and a lot of play user like me?? |
| 08:12.34 | purplepenguins | he starts talking about sarge |
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| 08:12.44 | liable | purplepenguins: just add the module to the blacklist file like the other in there |
| 08:12.46 | purplepenguins | I'm running lenny |
| 08:12.47 | purplepenguins | okay |
| 08:12.59 | liable | purplepenguins: in modprobe.d |
| 08:13.04 | formorer | matehortua: if you don't know how to change use stable |
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| 08:13.17 | matehortua | :( men i wanna learn |
| 08:13.36 | purplepenguins | time to reboot now I guess |
| 08:13.36 | formorer | matehortua: learn to use stable, after that the knowledge comes from alone |
| 08:13.43 | liable | matehortua: try lenny, you need to edit your sources.list |
| 08:13.46 | liable | \!reference |
| 08:13.50 | liable | !reference |
| 08:13.51 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/#contents . Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install it too, the packagename is "debian-reference", 'apt-get install debian-reference'. |
| 08:13.56 | liable | fat fingers... |
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| 08:14.26 | aidan | Is there a variable setting the java memory limit anywhere? |
| 08:14.31 | liable | purplepenguins: did you ask dpkg about the initramfs bit? |
| 08:15.13 | Rebecca | hey peoples. i have a Vie EPIA 5000 motherboard. i recently installed a basic deb from netinstall. my problem is that the OS does not respond to soft power button being pressed. I have tried acpid and apmd and loading 'button' module but nothing seems to do the job. soft power button presses do not appear in dmesg. anyone have any ideas? |
| 08:15.18 | formorer | liable: no. lenny without knowledge is wrong wrong wrong |
| 08:15.50 | matehortua | why is that?? formorer |
| 08:15.52 | liable | formorer: he said he want to play on a non production box. i say, let him fill his boots |
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| 08:16.16 | formorer | matehortua: because you don't have the knowledge to fix the regulary breakages |
| 08:16.42 | formorer | matehortua: also we want users for testing who are able to fill out qualified bug reports |
| 08:17.40 | matehortua | formorer: are they very common??? and are they debian-exclusively breakages?? |
| 08:17.49 | liable | Rebecca: check acpid.log |
| 08:17.59 | Rebecca | liable: ok :D |
| 08:18.15 | formorer | matehortua: it has a reason why testings name is... you know: testing |
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| 08:19.29 | matehortua | yep you're right testing is for testing purposes. i think i understand your position |
| 08:20.03 | matehortua | but alll work and no play ...... |
| 08:20.07 | matehortua | :0 |
| 08:20.11 | formorer | also testing the suite where bugfixes will arrive latest of all suites |
| 08:21.44 | cahoot | also you really shouldn't drink alcohol ... |
| 08:21.54 | liable | lies! |
| 08:21.57 | Rebecca | liable: events are logged! |
| 08:21.58 | Rebecca | [Wed Nov 15 05:05:19 2000] received event "button/power PWRF 00000080 00000003" |
| 08:21.58 | Rebecca | [Wed Nov 15 05:05:19 2000] completed event "button/power PWRF 00000080 00000003" |
| 08:22.08 | Rebecca | cool, i had no idea it had a log file |
| 08:22.37 | Rebecca | so i guess that raises the question as to why the OS ignores them |
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| 08:22.58 | liable | Rebecca: now you need a script that maps those events to shutdown. theres a package that has a few scripts, but i forget the name |
| 08:23.10 | sheldonh | woohoo! busy backing up /home /etc and /opt onto usbdisk, and then it's debian time! :) :) :) |
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| 08:23.28 | Rebecca | liable: |
| 08:23.33 | Rebecca | ok |
| 08:23.46 | liable | Rebecca: acpi-support |
| 08:24.35 | Rebecca | liable: trying now :) |
| 08:24.51 | liable | Rebecca: if it fails, restart acpid |
| 08:24.58 | streuner | Are there issues with radeon's in unstable atm? |
| 08:25.19 | cahoot | looking for a bts prompt? |
| 08:25.20 | liable | such as? |
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| 08:25.30 | formorer | streuner: mine works |
| 08:25.38 | liable | mine also |
| 08:26.04 | liable | my stupid x1300 gives me fucking headaches though |
| 08:26.31 | matehortua | one of the reasons im looking for a "next" version of debian, is a very simple one. i wanna have gnome 2.16 instead of 2.14 and if i tried to upgrade this specific package nothing happens. is there a way to do this ?? |
| 08:27.02 | liable | !backports |
| 08:27.02 | dpkg | hmm... backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 08:27.19 | Rebecca | liable: okay. didn't seem to work after restarting acpid so rebooting just in case (not my desktop machine) |
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| 08:27.33 | liable | Rebecca: check the log |
| 08:27.41 | Rebecca | liable: will do |
| 08:27.47 | liable | Rebecca: it should map the event to a script |
| 08:27.52 | Rebecca | ok |
| 08:28.15 | liable | Rebecca: have a read of the files in /etc/acpi, it should make sense just having a quick read |
| 08:28.20 | sheldonh | matehortua: see backports, since packages.debian.org says gnome-2.16 is available on experimental |
| 08:28.22 | streuner | liable: what kind of radeon is that? |
| 08:28.30 | Rebecca | liable: will do. thankyou :) |
| 08:28.41 | liable | streuner: the one that works? r200 |
| 08:28.58 | liable | mobility 7500 |
| 08:29.00 | Amarande | experimental ... you mean there's something even more on the edge than sid? |
| 08:29.02 | sheldonh | meh. should have deleted my checked out svn trees too |
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| 08:29.58 | sheldonh | Amarande: i woulda thunk |
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| 08:30.34 | sheldonh | Amarande: although i don't think it's a "real" distribution. missings deps are expected to be resolved by packages in unstable |
| 08:31.04 | liable | yeah, its not a complete version |
| 08:31.22 | sheldonh | hmmm |
| 08:31.25 | sheldonh | !experimental |
| 08:31.26 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. for an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
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| 08:42.48 | triplc | how to get nvu? |
| 08:43.36 | triplc | i am using Etch |
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| 08:45.54 | matehortua | triplc: Nvu isn't available neither in the official Debian repositories nor from Automatix, but fortunately backports.org has an Nvu package for Etch which can be found on http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/n/nvu/. Go to that address with your browser and download the latest Nvu package, e.g. nvu_1.0final-0bpo1_i386.deb, to your desktop |
| 08:46.04 | liable | it was removed from debian i think |
| 08:46.18 | triplc | matehortua: thank a lot |
| 08:47.09 | matehortua | ;) |
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| 08:48.22 | matehortua | is there a flash viewer for iceweasel in debian etch AMD64 ?? |
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| 08:50.23 | matehortua | im getting:: Your architecture, \'x86_64\', is not supported by the Adobe Flash Player installer. |
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| 08:51.23 | Amarande | matehortua, your architecture, x86_64, is not supported by the Adobe Flash Player installer |
| 08:52.07 | matehortua | Amarande: is there another flash player ? |
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| 08:54.00 | matehortua | or if i have a 64bit prcessor i just cant view Flash files? mmmm i dont think so |
| 08:55.21 | Amarande | matehortua, this is one of a number of reasons I use the 32-bit Debian with a k7 kernel on my Athlon X2 |
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| 08:55.52 | Amarande | !root |
| 08:55.52 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
| 08:56.06 | sheldonh | matehortua, triplc: does nvu add value for people who're already pro at hand-written html/css? |
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| 08:57.33 | matehortua | sheldonh: mmmm no idea |
| 08:57.46 | sheldonh | oh, you were just helping with pkg location :) |
| 08:57.58 | matehortua | yep |
| 08:58.03 | triplc | sheldonh: yeah... i am using BlueFish to do the job... but at the same time, I need to introduce Linux to friends who may switch from other OS, and sometime I just need to have something to write a quick html page |
| 08:58.33 | sheldonh | triplc: oh i see, so it's more for people who're not comfortable with html by hand |
| 08:58.34 | sheldonh | ? |
| 08:59.44 | sheldonh | triplc: i've always thought a decent wysiwyg html construction environment must be possible and could add value (particularly for the initial layout construction), but have been disappointed with the things i've tried |
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| 09:00.39 | triplc | sheldonh: oh... in fact, i never try nvu before... i just search and see that people recommend nvu... but i do not know whether it's good. |
| 09:01.29 | matehortua | Amarande: so do i have any advantage installing the 64 version?? at the time im not seeing any diference. but I supposed the AMD64 is more "friendly" whit the arch of the processor |
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| 09:03.15 | sheldonh | triplc: i've scanned the website and tuts. looks a bit naf |
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| 09:04.20 | liable | are you english? |
| 09:04.29 | sheldonh | phew, this backup looks set to consume about 20GB -- my nearest and dearest data |
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| 09:05.08 | sheldonh | when i installed my second 10MB hard drive in my 286, if someone had told me i'd one day need 20GB to back up my stuff, i'd have called the loony bin |
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| 09:05.56 | liable | yeah, but was pr0n downloadable when 286's were around? :) |
| 09:06.19 | sheldonh | liable: ha, no :) |
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| 09:06.44 | sheldonh | liable: but i only had 1.3GB of that :) |
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| 09:07.39 | sheldonh | liable: almost makes you think our machines are stashing their own shit in secret areas and lying about our own consumption |
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| 09:09.12 | liable | come again |
| 09:10.57 | sheldonh | liable: silly conspiracy theory, nevermind :) |
| 09:11.33 | liable | sheldonh: in the case of windows, yes, just look at dat files created by ie, linux i wouldnt be so paranoid about |
| 09:11.49 | sheldonh | aha! |
| 09:12.06 | sheldonh | vmware images from my hopeless attempts at inhouse release engineering |
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| 09:13.07 | dererk | <dererk> jetscreamer, welcome back |
| 09:13.15 | dererk | :) |
| 09:15.22 | famir | how can i reinstall some package ? |
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| 09:15.55 | sheldonh | cool, looks like makehuman has posing now |
| 09:15.56 | dererk | famir, apt-get --reinstall install package |
| 09:16.24 | dererk | sheldonh, whaat? |
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| 09:16.55 | sheldonh | dererk: makehuman is software for 3d modelling of humanoids |
| 09:17.03 | dererk | lol |
| 09:17.13 | dererk | sheldonh, Didn't know that, sorry :) |
| 09:17.23 | rahul | YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSs |
| 09:17.24 | sheldonh | no worries |
| 09:17.25 | rahul | got the tix |
| 09:17.38 | rahul | !seen stoned |
| 09:17.39 | dpkg | stoned is currently on #debian (10h 37m 14s). Has said a total of 28 messages. Is idling for 9h 11m 54s, last said: 'lol'. |
| 09:17.44 | rahul | arse |
| 09:18.30 | rahul | oh well. he gets none of the girls |
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| 09:18.31 | sheldonh | rahul: does he ever? :) |
| 09:19.52 | rahul | eh sometimes |
| 09:20.02 | rahul | but uh yeah |
| 09:20.06 | rahul | I better get some sleep |
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| 09:20.31 | rahul | gotta rest up for my mosh pit planning plus getting my girls out to this show now |
| 09:20.46 | famir | dererk:10x |
| 09:20.48 | sheldonh | sounds like a gas |
| 09:21.06 | dererk | :) |
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| 09:21.15 | sheldonh | is xgl support "there" with debian? i've just realized i'd miss it if it were gone |
| 09:22.19 | dererk | I've really dunno :\ |
| 09:22.37 | liable | sheldonh: no |
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| 09:22.52 | liable | sheldonh: there are no official debian packages for xgl |
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| 09:23.23 | sheldonh | liable: that's understandable. there's no official xgl support in gentoo either. is there a side project, though? |
| 09:23.40 | liable | sheldonh: beryl-project has links |
| 09:23.46 | sheldonh | liable: i'm being lame. let me google :) |
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| 09:24.05 | matehortua | i installed beryl but im always getting the same error beryl-manager[6343]: segfault at 00000000000000e0 rip 0000000000406df7 rsp 00007fff1c358c40 error 4 |
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| 09:24.28 | matehortua | my X restarts and nothing happens |
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| 09:24.32 | pitosga | hello |
| 09:24.36 | Vord | Can anybody help me out with configuring my sound card to output on the proper jacks? |
| 09:24.39 | sheldonh | right, wish me luck, i'm off to try install :) :) :) |
| 09:24.48 | pitosga | Vord: /j alsa :) |
| 09:25.02 | Vord | pitosga, come again? |
| 09:25.13 | Vord | in terminal? |
| 09:25.14 | pitosga | you have a problem with alsa |
| 09:25.18 | Vord | Oh, no |
| 09:25.22 | Vord | My sound driver works |
| 09:25.27 | pitosga | and there is a channel for it |
| 09:25.31 | Vord | Oh |
| 09:25.32 | Vord | I see |
| 09:25.35 | pitosga | but? |
| 09:25.44 | pitosga | lol |
| 09:25.49 | Vord | I just need to get it to output on all channels |
| 09:25.53 | Vord | I guess it is an alsa issue |
| 09:25.55 | Vord | I'll ask there |
| 09:25.57 | pitosga | Vord: i'm kinda new around here |
| 09:26.09 | pitosga | don't take my word for it |
| 09:26.12 | Vord | Heh |
| 09:26.18 | pitosga | what is your problem anyway? |
| 09:26.32 | Vord | Well, I have a 5.1 system |
| 09:26.37 | pitosga | cool |
| 09:26.38 | Vord | and a 5.1 soundcard |
| 09:26.51 | cahoot | Vord: run speaker-test |
| 09:26.55 | Vord | But the only ports that work on my card for output are front l/r |
| 09:27.06 | pitosga | so you have to configure it |
| 09:27.09 | Vord | Right |
| 09:27.15 | Vord | I just need to know how to go about doing that |
| 09:27.29 | pitosga | i believe alsa would be appropriate |
| 09:27.35 | pitosga | they have a good wiki |
| 09:27.37 | pitosga | :) |
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| 09:27.46 | pitosga | been around there lately |
| 09:28.18 | Vord | Seeing if anybody's active in the channel right now |
| 09:28.25 | pitosga | my tecra A8 doesn't have sound... yet! |
| 09:29.11 | cahoot | Vord: http://alsa.opensrc.org/FAQ |
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| 09:34.44 | claudio` | re |
| 09:35.25 | mark_s | hi, can I find out the MAC Adresses of the PCs I was connected to yesterday. I turned the PC of which I shouldn't have done. |
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| 09:43.01 | matehortua | bye |
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| 09:47.04 | Vord | Anybody use a logitech mouse with nav buttons on it? |
| 09:48.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | Does anyone here have experience with initng? |
| 09:48.33 | Dark_Apostrophe | Vord: I use a Razer one... It was autoconfigured, somehow. |
| 09:48.42 | Vord | Hm |
| 09:48.48 | Vord | So your back buttons automatically worked in firefox? |
| 09:49.05 | Dark_Apostrophe | Vord: Not sure, I only use the extra buttons for gaming |
| 09:49.30 | Vord | Ah, well, they automatically configure as hotkeys, I'm just not sure how to set them for use with navigation in firefox |
| 09:49.31 | Dark_Apostrophe | They don't seem to... |
| 09:49.44 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hotkeys? I see. |
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| 09:50.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | Maybe in KControl>Regional & Accessibility>Keyboard shortcuts? |
| 09:50.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | Or via http://keytouch.sf.net <-- that? |
| 09:51.11 | Vord | Eh, it doesn;t have to do with keyboard |
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| 09:54.05 | Dark_Apostrophe | Vord: Well, I'm out of suggestions. |
| 09:54.16 | Vord | Heh |
| 09:54.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | Vord: Try messing about with your xorg.conf, maybe... |
| 09:54.23 | Vord | Maybe |
| 09:54.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | Now, not to sound like a broken record, but; |
| 09:54.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | Does anyone here have experience with initng? |
| 09:54.57 | Vord | Rofl |
| 09:55.02 | Dark_Apostrophe | :) |
| 09:55.06 | Vord | I doubt you'll get an answer at this time of night |
| 09:55.07 | Dark_Apostrophe | I can't get it to work :P |
| 09:55.09 | Vord | I don't personally |
| 09:55.16 | Vord | Not even sure what it is, to tell the truth |
| 09:55.19 | Dark_Apostrophe | Night? It's the middle of thy day here |
| 09:55.23 | Vord | Lol |
| 09:55.24 | Dark_Apostrophe | (GMT+1) |
| 09:55.29 | Vord | Where are you? |
| 09:55.29 | Dark_Apostrophe | the* |
| 09:55.32 | Dark_Apostrophe | Norway |
| 09:55.35 | Vord | Ah |
| 09:55.36 | Vord | Yeah |
| 09:55.41 | siimo | night here :( |
| 09:55.46 | Vord | You'll notice most people 'round here are probably US citizens |
| 09:55.49 | Vord | It's 5am here |
| 09:55.54 | Vord | Been working on shit all night |
| 09:55.56 | siimo | gmt+12 |
| 09:55.57 | xand | Vord: are they? |
| 09:56.13 | schme | GMT+1 |
| 09:56.19 | Vord | xand: it would seem so by the amount of conversation going on amongst the 700+ users :P |
| 09:56.28 | Dark_Apostrophe | Vord: A good portion, but not necessarily most - I've seen more brits on freenode than I have americans, at least. |
| 09:56.33 | xand | Vord: most people in here never speak |
| 09:56.42 | Vord | Both good points |
| 09:56.42 | cahoot | Vord: just implies who are most talkative |
| 09:56.56 | Vord | I'm sleep deprived and drained right now, cut some slack :P |
| 09:57.08 | Vord | 's been a long night for me |
| 09:57.23 | schme | Is initng even in debian? |
| 09:57.45 | Dark_Apostrophe | schme: It is in Alioth, but just for x86... I use AMD64 |
| 09:57.52 | siimo | the dumber chattier users have switched to ubuntu lol |
| 09:58.03 | Vord | siimo, Amen :P |
| 09:58.12 | Vord | I've started heavily resenting ubuntu for it's userbase |
| 09:58.14 | schme | Oh it's in experimental. |
| 09:58.15 | cahoot | siimo: some obviously stickto debian |
| 09:58.25 | Vord | Which happens to be both it's greatest and worst point |
| 09:58.37 | Dark_Apostrophe | schme: Thus, I had to compile it, but I can't make it work, it seems... |
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| 09:58.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | http://paste.debian.net/27772 |
| 09:58.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | The error ^ |
| 09:58.56 | schme | Dark_Apostrophe: Isn't there some mailing list or something? |
| 09:59.04 | siimo | i dont like the rubbish like that restricted driver installing app or the codec installing app stuff in ubuntu... >.< |
| 09:59.07 | schme | Dark_Apostrophe: I mean it's not really a debian issue ;) |
| 09:59.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | I'm in their IRC channel, but nobody's responding |
| 09:59.19 | Vord | siimo, agreed |
| 09:59.26 | schme | Oh. |
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| 09:59.44 | schme | What good is initng any way? |
| 10:00.03 | Dark_Apostrophe | schme: I know, but you can still answer if you know it... It's not as if answering questions that aren't directly Debian related will get you capital punishment |
| 10:00.14 | xand | Dark_Apostrophe: isn't it? :P |
| 10:00.15 | Dark_Apostrophe | schme: Well, much faster booting |
| 10:00.24 | Dark_Apostrophe | xand: :) |
| 10:00.49 | schme | Dark_Apostrophe: I really have no idea about how to get it working. |
| 10:00.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | schme: It paralellizes the bootup, which is nice for me since I have a dual-core system |
| 10:00.54 | schme | booting..? |
| 10:01.00 | schme | You mean you actually reboot!? |
| 10:01.03 | schme | :D |
| 10:01.10 | Dark_Apostrophe | I'm forced to. |
| 10:01.11 | schme | Well that sounds nice. |
| 10:01.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | My dad makes me shut down the computer at night.. he's a pain in the arse. |
| 10:01.58 | Vord | Dark_Apostrophe, how old are you? |
| 10:02.10 | schme | Oh I see. initng has some sort of dependency tree for the boot scripts. |
| 10:02.14 | Vord | (Off topic, sorry) |
| 10:02.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | Vord: 18 |
| 10:02.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | schme: But I can't even install the damn thing :P |
| 10:02.45 | schme | Dark_Apostrophe: You could... run the 32bit x86 debian, and grab initng from the official site or out of experimental. |
| 10:02.50 | Vord | Probably best I don't pull you off the subject at hand seeing as you're finally getting some help :P |
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| 10:03.17 | Dark_Apostrophe | schme: Why would I run x86 Debian on an AMD64 system? |
| 10:03.51 | pitosga | Dark_Apostrophe: to avoid the 32/64 hassle |
| 10:03.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | So I can use the virtualization features of the CPU? |
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| 10:03.58 | pitosga | with libs and apps |
| 10:04.06 | schme | The 32bit is more stable, and not everything is ported to x86_64 |
| 10:04.07 | Dark_Apostrophe | It hasn't hassled me for months |
| 10:04.12 | kuru | hello -- I recently upgraded from sarge to etch and realized something very odd |
| 10:04.13 | schme | Oh. good. :) |
| 10:04.19 | kuru | the MySQL authentication module for Apache2 is gone |
| 10:04.22 | kuru | and I mean, completely gone. |
| 10:04.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | The only problem I have are binary blob codecs |
| 10:04.33 | Dark_Apostrophe | But other than that, everything works fine |
| 10:04.36 | schme | virtualization features? Ok. I know nothing about this :D |
| 10:04.36 | kuru | It doesn't even tell me that it has a conflict with the current version of Apache |
| 10:04.40 | kuru | it just _vanished_ |
| 10:04.43 | schme | well who need binary blobs anyway. |
| 10:04.48 | kuru | what gives? |
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| 10:04.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | schme: AMD-V |
| 10:05.07 | Dark_Apostrophe | schme: hardware virtualization on the CPU |
| 10:05.17 | Dark_Apostrophe | Anyway, can you help me figure out what the problem is? |
| 10:05.27 | pitosga | kuru: libapache2-mod-auth-mysql |
| 10:05.28 | Dark_Apostrophe | I was following their guide: http://www.initng.org/wiki/Installation |
| 10:06.04 | kuru | pitosga, did I mention that it is _gone_ ? |
| 10:06.16 | kuru | pitosga, it doesn't exist when I search for it |
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| 10:06.43 | kuru | pitosga, iow, 'apt-cache search apache | grep sql' doesn't come up with it |
| 10:06.55 | Dave_is_sexy | does anyone know the command to start bluez-gnome? |
| 10:07.10 | kuru | pitosga, I get this: c libapache2-mod-auth-mysql - Apache 2 module for MySQL authentication |
| 10:07.18 | kuru | when I do an 'aptitude search apache | grep mysql' |
| 10:07.21 | pitosga | /bin/sh: apt-cache search libapache2 |grep mysql: command not found |
| 10:07.28 | kuru | not sure what that means |
| 10:07.30 | kuru | ugh |
| 10:07.31 | kuru | it's a bot |
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| 10:07.38 | schme | Dark_Apostrophe: oh wow. nooo idea. |
| 10:07.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | :( |
| 10:07.46 | pitosga | libapache2-mod-auth-mysql <- this is the one |
| 10:07.56 | kuru | good god! |
| 10:08.03 | kuru | could someone tell me what's going on? |
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| 10:08.17 | schme | But really. doesn't the 32-bit provide the amd-v features? |
| 10:08.22 | schme | Just wondering here. |
| 10:08.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | Not AFAIK... |
| 10:08.29 | kuru | one of my web services is now out of commission because it relies on MySQL authentication |
| 10:08.32 | Dark_Apostrophe | Anyway, it's already installed |
| 10:08.42 | schme | Yeah. |
| 10:08.45 | Dark_Apostrophe | I don't want to mess about with it now.. everything works like a charm |
| 10:08.47 | pitosga | kuru: i don't use aptitude so ... apt-get install libapache2-mod-mysql-auth |
| 10:08.48 | schme | and initng should compile anyway. |
| 10:08.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | Except for ridiculously slow booting, that is |
| 10:09.14 | kuru | pitosga, I understand but _it does not exist_! |
| 10:09.25 | pitosga | it exists here |
| 10:09.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | But such is the case with all sysvinit systems... |
| 10:09.44 | pitosga | kuru: edit /etc/apt/sources.list~ |
| 10:09.45 | pitosga | kuru: edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 10:09.54 | schme | Dark_Apostrophe: I am amazed at the errors you got during the compile. SIGHUP undefined and what not. |
| 10:10.08 | Dark_Apostrophe | That was make install |
| 10:10.10 | Dark_Apostrophe | :/ |
| 10:10.18 | kuru | what does the 'c' in aptitude's list mean? |
| 10:10.31 | kuru | pitosga, it's okay, thanks for trying to help |
| 10:10.32 | schme | Oh. |
| 10:10.35 | kuru | anyone other takers? |
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| 10:10.47 | schme | weird. |
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| 10:12.23 | pitosga | kuru: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 10:12.27 | liable | kuru: config files remain |
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| 10:14.02 | Dark_Apostrophe | schme: Actually, it was make... nvm. |
| 10:14.07 | Dark_Apostrophe | schme: But it still produces that error |
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| 10:15.50 | schme | Dark_Apostrophe: All of the undeclared things and such really should have been declared in signal.h . Very strange that. |
| 10:15.50 | kuru | liable, eh? |
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| 10:16.05 | schme | Dark_Apostrophe: So either the source is fucked, or your libc-dev is fucked :) |
| 10:16.11 | kuru | I can't believe that no one knows _anything_ about this! |
| 10:16.20 | Dark_Apostrophe | schme: How do I see which? :P |
| 10:16.22 | kuru | I would have thought that this is a common enough package |
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| 10:18.07 | schme | Dark_Apostrophe: You could check that libinitng/signal/set.c to see if it actually includes <signal.h> I suppose. If it does, and your libc-dev is proper you'll just have to debug the source. |
| 10:18.10 | schme | I suppose. |
| 10:19.58 | omri | I'm getting 6MB/s to remote X server when the screen saver shows up; can the connection be compressed? |
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| 10:20.27 | pitosga | omri: i would disable the screensaver |
| 10:20.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | #include <signal.h> |
| 10:20.33 | kuru | There: http://www.debian-administration.org/users/chrisrend/weblog/1 |
| 10:20.36 | omri | pitosga, it's not just the screen saver |
| 10:20.39 | pitosga | omri: or better put in a blank one |
| 10:20.43 | kuru | if someone asks about it, please do direct them there -- it is really missing |
| 10:20.50 | omri | when browsing the web flash movies also cause huge traffic |
| 10:21.01 | pitosga | omri: X is known to be a network hog |
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| 10:21.11 | omri | what to do? |
| 10:21.15 | omri | no compression available? |
| 10:21.16 | pitosga | you could use vnc |
| 10:21.32 | pitosga | or if you insist on X itself, tunnel it through ssh |
| 10:21.38 | omri | hmm... shouldn't X be alot faster? |
| 10:21.54 | omri | yes I know this possibility, ssh -X -C |
| 10:22.03 | pitosga | i thought you where complayning about bandwidth? |
| 10:22.16 | omri | I am :P |
| 10:22.20 | pitosga | there is kinda a compromise there |
| 10:22.23 | omri | 6MB/s for each client is alot, don't you think? |
| 10:22.35 | pitosga | depends |
| 10:22.43 | pitosga | how many clients do you have |
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| 10:22.58 | omri | well. atm just one, but it should be around 30 and even more |
| 10:23.01 | omri | it's a thin client |
| 10:23.10 | dutchfish | i was wondering why debian choose for inetd instead of xinetd, can someone point me or explain why? |
| 10:23.12 | pitosga | and what about the server capacity? |
| 10:23.14 | omri | thin client with fat traffic :P |
| 10:23.26 | omri | well, I'm testing it right now, this won't be the production server |
| 10:23.36 | pitosga | dutchfish: xinetd is available as a dropin replacement |
| 10:23.44 | pitosga | for your convenience :) |
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| 10:23.58 | dutchfish | pitosga, yes i know, but why they choose for default inetd? |
| 10:24.18 | omri | how much bandwidth would vnc approximately eat on 1280x1024 24bits ? |
| 10:24.27 | pitosga | omri: i wou strongly recommend you to hang around the ltsp ml |
| 10:24.36 | dutchfish | pitosga, they are mutual exclusive right? |
| 10:24.38 | omri | ltsp? what's that? |
| 10:24.39 | _vol | hey |
| 10:24.53 | _vol | can it be true that debian etch only uses 1gb of ram |
| 10:25.02 | schme | What!? |
| 10:25.02 | _vol | ? |
| 10:25.05 | schme | 1 gb of ram!? |
| 10:25.09 | pitosga | dutchfish: now that i think of it i believe you could get away with both of them |
| 10:25.10 | _vol | yes |
| 10:25.15 | omri | heh, probably no highmem support in his kernel or something |
| 10:25.25 | _vol | there are 2gb installed but deb shows only 1gb |
| 10:25.26 | schme | Oh you meant like that. |
| 10:25.26 | dutchfish | pitosga, mmm... weird... |
| 10:25.31 | schme | Nevermind me then. |
| 10:25.32 | pitosga | but don't really know, apt-cache show inetd will tell you |
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| 10:25.48 | omri | pitosga, what's that mailing list? |
| 10:25.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | schme: There was a #include <signal.h> in that file... |
| 10:25.56 | pitosga | dutchfish: you could if there where no overlaps |
| 10:26.23 | dutchfish | pitosga, i am googling over 2 hours now to find out pro's & con's about inetd, so far no much info related to the WHY question |
| 10:27.01 | pitosga | dutchfish: a long time ago inetd had severe security holes in it |
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| 10:27.31 | pitosga | i don't think it is the case now |
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| 10:27.33 | pitosga | but |
| 10:27.40 | hark | _vol: you probably have the 486 kernel installed.. try with the 686/k7 one instead |
| 10:27.52 | omri | pitosga, nvm, linux terminal server project :P |
| 10:28.00 | dutchfish | pitosga, apart from that, xinetd should have more features, but so far i didnt have found any wich i could not resolve with inetd ... |
| 10:28.23 | pitosga | dutchfish: in that case, stick with it |
| 10:28.28 | pitosga | i use inetd |
| 10:28.28 | dutchfish | pitosga, performance? |
| 10:28.35 | schme | Dark_Apostrophe: I think you need to find some initng people for this. :S |
| 10:28.58 | pitosga | mainly because i know how to use it and don't have any production services on it |
| 10:29.10 | pitosga | production goes on the air standalone |
| 10:29.23 | schme | dutchfish: The fact that it has more features is a good reason to not put it in the base system. |
| 10:29.27 | dutchfish | pitosga, yes i am using it too, but some techies (they have been working with RedHat) insist on installing xinetd, but so far they couldnt dream up 1 good argument, thats why i ask |
| 10:29.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | schme: That's the problem - #initng is dead |
| 10:29.46 | schme | Dark_Apostrophe: No mailing list? |
| 10:29.57 | pitosga | omri: exactly, sorry for not answering, i just didn't saw it |
| 10:29.58 | Dark_Apostrophe | schme: 23 people, 22 of which never speak |
| 10:30.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | schme: Yeah, but it that would take even longer... :( |
| 10:30.40 | dutchfish | schme, pitosga so i am now on quest to find out the pro's and con's about those |
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| 10:31.37 | omri | pitosga, I didn't use any running project, I did everything myself |
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| 10:32.17 | schme | dutchfish: http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/tutorials/4505/2/ |
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| 10:33.05 | uwe | hello, i was wondering why apt locks the db when being used ? why not have multiple instances and have 2 databases, one for the current status of packages and one for what it will look like after upgrade, and the second on nth instance would check for compatability with the "future database" and "current database" and wont install until the first packages are installed if it depends in anyway on them, if they fail , itll fail too, and if it doesnt depend on |
| 10:33.06 | uwe | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:33.47 | liable | uwe: why dont you post your thoughts on a debian dev list. |
| 10:33.59 | uwe | i mean, for time saving, at least to download the packs |
| 10:34.22 | uwe | well, to check if im saying anything which is obviously stuped :) |
| 10:34.38 | JosefAssad | my brain just exploded, uwe |
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| 10:35.05 | JosefAssad | uwe: help an old man out; discrete sentences, full stops :) |
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| 10:36.44 | dutchfish | schme, yes, like i said i can do the same things with inetd, if i want even more i can use libwrap0 or other sec related tools |
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| 10:37.33 | dutchfish | schme, the more i read about this subject, the more i dont understand.... mmmm |
| 10:37.59 | schme | dutchfish: Ya. From what I understand the only difference is that the config files do not look exactly the same :) |
| 10:38.13 | dutchfish | schme, yes |
| 10:38.23 | ephemeros | my synaptic package manager gives an error about samba --configure; in what package should i report the bug? samba, apt or dpkg? |
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| 10:38.40 | uwe | JosefAssad, :) um ... i just read it fine :) |
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| 10:38.47 | scx | kwe kwe |
| 10:38.52 | dutchfish | schme, i was hoping to find at least 1 argument for using inetd |
| 10:39.15 | ephemeros | (samba installed, works fine, but every time i install a package there is that error) |
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| 10:39.15 | stickybit` | any console based dictonary? |
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| 10:39.19 | schme | dutchfish: good luck there :) |
| 10:39.26 | dutchfish | schme, txh :) |
| 10:39.42 | stickybit` | !console dictionary |
| 10:39.51 | Maerz | Is there a way to create 32bit packages for 64bit arch? I want to install sth. and need a 32bit-lib which does not exist in the amd64 arch of the mirrors.. |
| 10:40.12 | liable | stickybit`: dict |
| 10:40.17 | dutchfish | Maerz, wich lib? |
| 10:40.26 | stickybit` | liable: thanks |
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| 10:40.34 | Maerz | i think its pango |
| 10:40.34 | liable | yw |
| 10:40.49 | scx | Maerz: you need the source code |
| 10:41.06 | dutchfish | Maerz, libpango1.0-0? |
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| 10:42.02 | dutchfish | Maerz, that is if you are on etch? |
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| 10:42.56 | Maerz | yes libpango1.0-0. I am on lenny |
| 10:43.09 | dutchfish | Maerz, just grab the source and compile |
| 10:43.43 | mumbles | argh |
| 10:43.43 | roxy_ | what is the best mailing list to ask question about jboss packaging (http://wiki.debian.org/JBossPackaging) ? |
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| 10:43.48 | mumbles | im overdrawn by 60 quid |
| 10:44.07 | scx | jboss ? in Debian? |
| 10:44.11 | scx | :s |
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| 10:47.13 | dutchfish | Maerz, you maybe want to read this http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=libpango1.0-0 |
| 10:47.19 | Maerz | dutchfish why should the compiled packages be 32 bit then? |
| 10:47.43 | dutchfish | Maerz, i have no idee, what you try to install? |
| 10:48.09 | Maerz | i want additionally the 32bit version of libpango1.0-0 on my 64bit system |
| 10:48.16 | Maerz | i got the 64bit version. |
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| 10:48.21 | Maerz | i want both. |
| 10:48.26 | Maerz | well, i need both. |
| 10:48.27 | dutchfish | Maerz, for what (if i may ask)? |
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| 10:49.40 | omri | pitosga, mate, it seems like this project also uses X11 and not VNC; do they use some sort of compression? |
| 10:49.40 | Maerz | because the google earth installer is only 32bit and needs this lib for displaying fonts correctly: /usr/lib/pango/1.5.0/modules/pango-basic-fc.so |
| 10:49.43 | paxed | i'm trying to install nvidia drivers on testing: "nvidia-glx: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.5) but 2.3.6.ds1-13 is to be installed" |
| 10:50.39 | dutchfish | Maerz, i tried googleearth on 64 bit system, but apart from libpango, there are muchos more 32 bits issues, i finally gave up, and use it on 32 bit system wich works well |
| 10:51.22 | regulate_ | it specifically depends on 32 bit versions of libs ? |
| 10:52.03 | dutchfish | regulate_, as far as i know yes pango, video, comm |
| 10:52.26 | dutchfish | regulate_, and its not opensource |
| 10:52.35 | regulate_ | right |
| 10:52.56 | dutchfish | regulate_, otherwise it was easy to recompile.... |
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| 10:53.26 | dutchfish | regulate_, maybe bagging to goole (i did) will help? |
| 10:53.34 | dutchfish | regulate_, google* |
| 10:53.45 | dondelelcaro | if you want to use closed source 32 bit things on amd64, use them in a 32 bit chroot |
| 10:53.59 | dondelelcaro | (at least until multiarch is done properly) |
| 10:54.06 | regulate_ | dondelelcaro: this is a lib issue |
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| 10:54.14 | dondelelcaro | regulate_: yes, which is why you use it in a 32 bit chroot |
| 10:54.37 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, yes, but i tried, but got stuck in miriad of performance issues |
| 10:55.36 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, mostly video related |
| 10:55.48 | dondelelcaro | well, there's no difference between running in a 32 bit chroot and running with an entirely 32 bit userland on the same hardware, so I can't imagine what sort of performance issues are at issue |
| 10:56.33 | Maerz | dondelelcaro opera works fine without chroot |
| 10:56.45 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, at the time i tried that there where major issues with my video card driver (ATI) |
| 10:56.59 | dondelelcaro | Maerz: opera is (last time I checked) statically linked |
| 10:57.15 | Maerz | there are several versions available. shared and statical |
| 10:57.17 | regulate_ | meaning shipped libs? |
| 10:57.20 | Maerz | yea |
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| 10:57.42 | dondelelcaro | no, meaning libraries are linked directly into the executable as opposed to being dynamically linked in at runtime |
| 10:57.48 | Maerz | ok mb. |
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| 10:58.11 | regulate_ | does google earth ship libs ? |
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| 10:58.55 | dondelelcaro | no one should ship libraries; they should either dynamically link or statically link to them |
| 10:59.17 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: haha, tell that to vmware or google |
| 10:59.27 | jelly-home | regulate_: (yes) |
| 10:59.40 | dondelelcaro | in the former, you have to have the right versions available, in the latter it doesn't matter, but the executable is bigger |
| 11:00.23 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: really? Do they at least install them somewhere else and set LD_LIBRARY_PATH appropriately? |
| 11:00.51 | dondelelcaro | not that it would be all that unusual for closed source vendors to do totally insane things |
| 11:00.58 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: wrapper scripts are used in both afaict |
| 11:01.03 | Maerz | can i install the 32bit package to a different path with dpkg ? |
| 11:01.10 | dutchfish | statically means inside the executable |
| 11:01.45 | chemaja1 | vmware is sufficiently annoying (read: not smoothly installable on my favourite distros) to warrant my migration to QEMU, which is in progress |
| 11:01.55 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: and the libs are inside their own /opt/foo dirs, they don't mess with the system (much) |
| 11:01.58 | Maerz | is it possible that i install the same lib as different arch ? |
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| 11:02.03 | dutchfish | Maerz, inside a chroot yes |
| 11:02.15 | Maerz | without? |
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| 11:02.22 | regulate_ | chemaja1: any specifics? |
| 11:02.30 | chemaja1 | regulate_, wrt what |
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| 11:02.43 | regulate_ | chemaja1: vmware annoyances? |
| 11:02.58 | Maerz | kvm |
| 11:03.11 | regulate_ | vnc |
| 11:03.14 | Maerz | could even boot my already installed windows. |
| 11:03.21 | regulate_ | pxe -> vnc |
| 11:03.30 | chemaja1 | regulate_, besides the fact that vmware proper isn't in the repos (ie. VMware Server 1.0.x), i had to use that 3rd party what-the-hell-does-this "vmware-any-any-update' package, which shits me. i like being 100% repo :) |
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| 11:03.47 | regulate_ | bah |
| 11:03.49 | chemaja1 | does-this-do* |
| 11:03.54 | jelly-home | chemaja1: that's commercial software for you |
| 11:04.00 | chemaja1 | jelly-home, no shit :) |
| 11:04.00 | regulate_ | is the any-any patch vmware approved (or whatever) |
| 11:04.01 | dutchfish | Maerz, kvm wich kernel? |
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| 11:04.23 | Maerz | 2.6 |
| 11:04.33 | dutchfish | Maerz, 2.6.18-4? |
| 11:04.35 | Maerz | not sure what exactly, was some time ago.. |
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| 11:04.39 | regulate_ | chemaja1: the repos issue is all up to maintainers |
| 11:04.43 | Maerz | atm i got |
| 11:04.44 | chemaja1 | jelly-home, all i need is a win2kpro qemu to run my windows-only work stuff. i'm running FC6 now on the bare metal at work, woo! (soon to be debian Etch) |
| 11:04.49 | Maerz | 2.6.20.3 |
| 11:04.56 | Maerz | hi AngusRF |
| 11:05.04 | dutchfish | Maerz, 2.6.20.3 is buggy |
| 11:05.11 | Superkuh | I have an AlphaStation 200 4/166 I'm putting a tiny ~70mb ISO of debian 4.0.2 on, and I am partitioning. It is requesting the root partition be ext2 filesystem. I am ignorant of many things. Does this like right: http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/6629/alpha9sz5.jpg |
| 11:05.16 | Maerz | uh. |
| 11:05.17 | dutchfish | Maerz, runnig now at 2.6.20-9 |
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| 11:05.23 | regulate_ | Superkuh: a+ |
| 11:05.43 | Superkuh | I don't understand what a+ indicates. |
| 11:05.57 | chemaja1 | regulate_, i know that vmware aren't going to integrate with Debian any time soon, if that's what you mean |
| 11:05.58 | regulate_ | for installing debian on a200 |
| 11:06.08 | Superkuh | Ah. |
| 11:06.13 | Superkuh | Dumpster pick. |
| 11:06.28 | JohnGH | Superkuh: no :-( - because it has a dead rat sticker on the front of the Alpha next to the floppy drive. |
| 11:06.34 | regulate_ | chemaja1: ehh, i dont know about that. They have contracts with RH |
| 11:06.38 | chemaja1 | Etch ftw. -- FC6 is too bugy |
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| 11:06.48 | x_link | Hi |
| 11:06.51 | regulate_ | chemaja1: but i have ESX running here. very nicely too |
| 11:07.00 | Superkuh | Why would redhat being on it formerly hurt? I reformated a few times already when failing. |
| 11:07.01 | x_link | Is it better to use aptitude than apt-get? Or it doesn't matter at all? |
| 11:07.10 | Superkuh | I just haven't takent he sticker off. |
| 11:07.15 | chemaja1 | regulate_, 10-4. we ordered an ESX server for work (yea, i did recommend Xen, but meh) |
| 11:07.18 | JohnGH | Superkuh: it's the sticker that's the problem! |
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| 11:07.26 | jelly-home | chemaja1: fedora is supposed to be buggy, what with it being a playfield for new and emerging technologies |
| 11:07.34 | Superkuh | Okay. Why should I believe you? |
| 11:07.39 | regulate_ | they're not doing fedora |
| 11:07.40 | chemaja1 | jelly-home, so it shall be :) |
| 11:07.41 | JohnGH | Superkuh: you need a nice Debian one to make it sexy! :-) |
| 11:07.44 | regulate_ | rhel |
| 11:08.09 | chemaja1 | jelly-home, was fully aware of Fedora's purpose at install-time, i am a minor Fedora contributor :) |
| 11:08.11 | Superkuh | I see, mystics. To help prevent to smoke from escaping around those leaking redhat sticker seals. |
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| 11:08.41 | regulate_ | i've never even seen a redhat sticker |
| 11:08.51 | chemaja1 | redhat have sweet artwork, i must say |
| 11:08.57 | regulate_ | oh yeah |
| 11:09.00 | regulate_ | the swirl |
| 11:09.01 | chemaja1 | but who cares about art when Freedom is on the line :P |
| 11:09.06 | regulate_ | the only swirl that lived |
| 11:09.14 | tarzeau | chemaja1: amiga had that too, and NeXT |
| 11:09.16 | regulate_ | out of the 1999 swirl logo rush |
| 11:09.21 | Superkuh | It's expoxied on from another case to which it was applied. |
| 11:09.22 | JohnGH | Superkuh: nice photo, but it's a bit blurry - it's hard to read the partition sizes - could you type them? |
| 11:09.23 | chemaja1 | nah Red Hat is good, no qualms, but i dont have a RHN subscription, so yea i dont see much point |
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| 11:10.09 | chemaja1 | note, i dont necessarily want one (but am getting one for work anyway, because i am tasked with maintaining several large RHEL application servers) |
| 11:10.18 | JohnGH | chemja1: you smell like a troll. You need a shower (or some sunlight) |
| 11:10.20 | regulate_ | tell Superkuh about pastebin |
| 11:10.27 | regulate_ | !tell Superkuh about pastebin |
| 11:10.37 | regulate_ | i dont know how to work this thing |
| 11:10.46 | JohnGH | regulate_: hehehe :) |
| 11:10.52 | Superkuh | #1 1.0 MB K aboot ; #2 64 MB K F ext2 /tmp; #3876.8 MB F ext2 /; #4 109 MB F swap; |
| 11:10.56 | Superkuh | but of course no real ; |
| 11:10.57 | chemaja1 | JohnGH, sure, a troll who has been running Debian GNU/Linux the most and the longest relative to his own use of GNU/Linux |
| 11:11.07 | Superkuh | It wasn't more than a line. |
| 11:11.13 | Superkuh | No need for pastebin. |
| 11:11.25 | chemaja1 | JohnGH, if it was up to me i'd port our shit to Debian, but it doesn't work like that :) |
| 11:11.26 | JohnGH | good work Superkuh :-) mooo! |
| 11:11.57 | JohnGH | chemja1: and their artwork sucks :) |
| 11:12.02 | chemaja1 | where "it" == a certain medical software company that i work for |
| 11:12.10 | Superkuh | I have another dead copy of it around here to steal another SCSI 1.1GB HD for app space. |
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| 11:12.30 | chemaja1 | JohnGH, swirl and lamp for the winnz? :P |
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| 11:13.03 | Superkuh | http://24.245.49.197/library/meh/dumpsterdiving%2Bfewgaragesal%2Ejpg |
| 11:13.16 | chemaja1 | JohnGH, oh and by the way, i cop enough shit at work for being such a Linux fanboy, so cut that troll shit out :) |
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| 11:14.37 | Eclipser | you feeling like a crappy movieish? |
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| 11:14.47 | x_link | Can somebody tell me if it's better to use "aptitude" than "apt-get"? |
| 11:14.54 | x_link | Or it doesn't really matter? |
| 11:15.00 | JohnGH | Superkuh: unless Alpha has mega tiny binaries compared to x86 then that's not going to be anywhere near enough space for /boot - kernel images themselves are over 4.5MB at the moment, not counting the other files that go with them - and you need space for at LEAST two different kernels at a time - otherwise you'll have a tough time upgrading to a new kernel version! |
| 11:15.06 | chemaja1 | x_link, yes, if you are aware of and would like to use aptitude's features :) |
| 11:15.16 | chemaja1 | x_link, it's got quite good documentation, check it out |
| 11:15.17 | dutchfish | !aptitude |
| 11:15.17 | dpkg | aptitude is a modern frontend to libapt. For the most part, you can use it as a drop in replacement for apt-get. Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> and install aptitude-doc-en (or the aptitude-doc-* package appropriate for your locale) |
| 11:15.39 | Niklas- | Hey. Is there a way to limit apt-get downloads to like 50kb/s? |
| 11:15.50 | x_link | chemaja1: I don't understand much... not the differences either. |
| 11:15.57 | dutchfish | Niklas-, tc, conntrack |
| 11:15.57 | regulate_ | i like my 400k kernel |
| 11:16.05 | x_link | chemaja1: I stopped using apt-get for like 2 weeks ago. Now I only use aptitude. |
| 11:16.08 | jelly-home | Niklas-: for a quick workaround, you can use trickle |
| 11:16.17 | Niklas- | dutchfish: I can't use an option like --limit-rate in wget? |
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| 11:16.23 | JohnGH | x_link: I've only ever used apt-get for 7 years - I can never get my head around the keys you need to remember for aptitude :) |
| 11:16.33 | chemaja1 | x_link, the most useful two features for me are the automatic dependency handling (ie. "remove ALL of Gnome, not just the 'gnome' meta-package"), and the package/debtags browsers |
| 11:16.33 | Niklas- | ok, i'll take a look at it |
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| 11:16.52 | x_link | JohnGH: Okej. |
| 11:17.01 | jelly-home | JohnGH: aptitude has command line too, ya know |
| 11:17.09 | x_link | chemaja1: But for a newbie like me, what should I use? |
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| 11:17.17 | JohnGH | jelly-home: yeah, and? |
| 11:17.18 | regulate_ | there's gui aptitude ? ?! |
| 11:17.30 | liable | ncurses |
| 11:17.32 | jelly-home | JohnGH: so you don't need to use any keys at all |
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| 11:17.42 | regulate_ | liable: with [y/n] prompts? |
| 11:17.51 | JohnGH | jelly-hand: you can do command line without keys now? ;-) |
| 11:17.52 | Superkuh | JohnGH: /boot is going to be in / |
| 11:17.53 | liable | interactive aptitude is horrible |
| 11:18.02 | chemaja1 | you should use aptitude and/or whatever the Debian documentation tells you to use (see http://debian.org) |
| 11:18.12 | liable | regulate_: just type 'aptitude' and find out.. |
| 11:18.23 | chemaja1 | liable, not true -- i for one find it quite useful |
| 11:18.24 | jelly-home | JohnGH: s/use/remember/... while still keeping other comparative advantages of aptitude to apt |
| 11:18.29 | JohnGH | Superkuh: you're confusing me - what is aboot then? |
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| 11:18.32 | regulate_ | mine runs without captive interfaces |
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| 11:18.42 | x_link | chemaja1: I will stick to aptitude then. |
| 11:18.53 | liable | chemaja1: good for you, i dont like it |
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| 11:19.30 | chemaja1 | liable, each to his own |
| 11:20.10 | liable | exactly |
| 11:20.18 | jelly-home | liable: dunno, I find it a lot nicer than dselect |
| 11:20.23 | chemaja1 | brothers in Debian, dude :P |
| 11:20.46 | liable | jelly-home: i find having hot needles poked into my eye nicer than dselect ;) |
| 11:20.50 | scx | is it the same (chown) user:group and user.group ? |
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| 11:20.58 | scx | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:21.06 | jelly-home | scx: yes |
| 11:21.10 | scx | oki |
| 11:21.46 | JohnGH | jelly-home & regulate_: thanks, you learn something new every day :) |
| 11:22.05 | chemaja1 | the best package browser imho would be be a nice scrollable big visual representation of inter-package deps that you could "walk" and learn how the system composes it self |
| 11:23.26 | jelly-home | chemaja1: scrollable in how many dimensions? |
| 11:23.26 | JohnGH | chemaja1: Yes, that would be nice, but it might be hard to fit it in 80x24 ;) |
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| 11:23.27 | chemaja1 | note i said "browser", not "manager" :) :) |
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| 11:23.35 | chemaja1 | jelly-home, well, ultimately 4 (imagine a go back in time machine which you could trace back to a clean initial install!) |
| 11:24.28 | chemaja1 | JohnGH, it'd be for X for sure :) |
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| 11:24.29 | chemaja1 | but 2 would suffice, ie a nice big street directory |
| 11:24.37 | chemaja1 | but that would be messy and necessarily large in physical dimensions, so 3d would be more suitable from a practical point of view |
| 11:24.38 | jelly-home | chemaja1: I mean, how would it handle alternate | dependencies |
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| 11:24.53 | chemaja1 | jelly, you could toggle elements of the view, or views entirely |
| 11:25.11 | regulate_ | omg |
| 11:25.12 | jelly-home | chemaja1: care for a mashup? |
| 11:25.13 | JohnGH | is the Uncompressed Size: X when you do aptitude show -Z pkg the installed size on disk? (i.e. the space you'd save when you remove pkg)? |
| 11:25.18 | regulate_ | lets cvs co anaconda |
| 11:25.29 | chemaja1 | jelly, ideally they'd use some proper notation (i'm thinking UML but maybe something simpler, who knows, this is not my area) |
| 11:25.37 | chemaja1 | jelly-home, in like 10 years |
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| 11:25.57 | jelly-home | dpkg -L ftw :-) |
| 11:25.57 | dpkg | No packages found matching ftw :-) |
| 11:26.01 | jelly-home | er, -l |
| 11:26.04 | JohnGH | jelly-home: all it needs is some alternate parallel universes built into it :) (does universe come in plural?) ;) |
| 11:26.22 | jelly-home | JohnGH: sure they do |
| 11:26.29 | chemaja1 | jelly-home, my computing world is in dire straights wrt hardware, info organisation and sw functionality == i need to fix my s**t and clear my TODO before i get creative |
| 11:26.37 | regulate_ | whats up with universes in ubuntu |
| 11:26.49 | regulate_ | multiverse hello |
| 11:26.57 | chemaja1 | jelly-home, lolz |
| 11:27.00 | markybob | regulate_: no one here cares. ask in #ubuntu |
| 11:27.01 | JohnGH | chemaja1: take a number and join the queue with us! |
| 11:27.12 | chemaja1 | JohnGH, timeslaved. how sad we are. |
| 11:27.30 | jelly-home | regulate_: that's just a name for a part of their repo |
| 11:27.30 | regulate_ | i dont care either |
| 11:27.36 | JohnGH | chemjah1: that excuse fails for me - I'm "between" at the moment |
| 11:27.55 | chemaja1 | JohnGH, between what? |
| 11:28.03 | JohnGH | contracts |
| 11:28.09 | regulate_ | paychecks |
| 11:28.16 | chemaja1 | oh. yes, i have like 4 months to fix my company's release DVD |
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| 11:28.18 | JohnGH | mind you, I guess becoming a daddy 2 1/2 weeks ago is a good enough excuse now - not that I had that excuse up till now! |
| 11:28.19 | chemaja1 | same here |
| 11:28.32 | chemaja1 | (and i haven't even started on it) |
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| 11:29.20 | regulate_ | chemaja1: the daddy part? |
| 11:29.28 | JohnGH | I think my info org has been in disarray ever since I started writing notes on things (as a kid!) - and sw func - ever since I had a computer! |
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| 11:29.47 | chemaja1 | regulate_, no sir, but i was referring to my DVD project |
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| 11:30.02 | regulate_ | chemaja1: sorry you were wide open |
| 11:30.14 | chemaja1 | regulate_, oh i lolled, dont worry :) |
| 11:30.28 | chemaja1 | no kids for meeeee pleeease |
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| 11:30.41 | chemaja1 | not just yet. i love 'em, but you gotta be rich to have kids imho |
| 11:30.49 | logixoul | !fix klipper |
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| 11:31.45 | JohnGH | chemaja1: yeah - I thought about that first too :) I'll be 37 in 2 weeks though, so I decided I was rich enough to start now, spare money or no. |
| 11:31.51 | chemaja1 | logixoul, how'd you make it so i can't TAB-complete your nick? |
| 11:32.01 | chemaja1 | JohnGH, ok. i'm 25. |
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| 11:32.33 | chemaja1 | oh shit he left |
| 11:32.39 | chemaja1 | damnit |
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| 11:33.13 | JohnGH | people keep saying to me: it changes your lifestyle and your priorities when you have a kid - maybe for them it did - I've been psyching myself up for this for years - and stopped going out drinking with the boys about 4 years ago. |
| 11:33.19 | muh2000 | the service system-auth. what daemon controlls that? |
| 11:33.41 | omri | what could be modifying my LD_PRELOAD? I've added it to /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession |
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| 11:33.54 | JohnGH | chemaja1: would being gone explain not being able to tab-complete? ;) |
| 11:34.08 | JosefAssad | is anyone using a simple smtp like esmtp or msmtp? |
| 11:34.13 | chemaja1 | JohnGH, embarassingly, yes. i scanned for it, but missed it |
| 11:34.29 | JohnGH | chemaja1: cool trick huh? ;) |
| 11:34.36 | chemaja1 | JohnGH, heh |
| 11:34.52 | chemaja1 | oh noes me tabz r borken |
| 11:35.11 | JohnGH | is there a MUA called muahaha? |
| 11:35.19 | chemaja1 | JohnGH, there should be |
| 11:35.23 | JohnGH | hehehe |
| 11:35.28 | jelly-home | /dcc send chemaja1 /usr/share/terminfo/a/ansi+tabs |
| 11:35.28 | chemaja1 | hah |
| 11:35.35 | chemaja1 | rofl |
| 11:36.33 | JohnGH | alias muahaha='mutt' |
| 11:36.37 | JohnGH | now there is :) |
| 11:36.58 | JohnGH | I prefer m though :) |
| 11:37.07 | jelly-home | hey, mutt's no laughing matter |
| 11:37.11 | chemaja1 | JohnGH, `ln -sf $(type -p mutt) /usr/local/bin/muahaha' |
| 11:37.15 | JohnGH | especially over a slow link |
| 11:37.29 | JosefAssad | if mutt should be aliased to a single character, q is the right one. In honor of BondÅ› gadget man |
| 11:37.34 | chemaja1 | maybe quote the var in double-quotes |
| 11:37.45 | jelly-home | type -p mutt == which mutt |
| 11:37.46 | jelly-home | ? |
| 11:37.53 | chemaja1 | yea |
| 11:37.57 | chemaja1 | but type is better if you're a bash guy |
| 11:38.06 | chemaja1 | `help type' |
| 11:38.06 | jelly-home | I'm zsh all the way |
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| 11:38.22 | chemaja1 | jelly-home, i'm really curious about trying that, i hear really good things |
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| 11:39.22 | jelly-home | chemaja1: it's "type<esc>h" for me, it magically chooses whether to display a man page or shell's help |
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| 11:39.28 | chemaja1 | JohnGH, i am "forced" to use ksh on our legacy application servers, it blows. but it's better then tcsh imho |
| 11:39.45 | chemaja1 | jelly-home, i have no time for shells, i focus on GNU EMacs |
| 11:39.46 | chemaja1 | er |
| 11:39.47 | chemaja1 | Emacs* |
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| 11:40.07 | schme | M-x shell ;) |
| 11:40.12 | jelly-home | chemaja1: it has a couple of nice shorthands and loads for useless features :-) |
| 11:40.12 | chemaja1 | heh soon |
| 11:40.18 | Dave_is_sexy | unsurprisingly, debian doesn't notice my new tv card. to it's credit however, the os still starts while windows blue screens me if it is connected. does anyone know how i say "Oi, Debian! Do an automatic scan for hardware and install and configure the right drivers just like you did when i installed the os initially" ? |
| 11:40.20 | jelly-home | s/for/of/ |
| 11:40.22 | chemaja1 | jelly-home, i wouldn't say that |
| 11:40.38 | JohnGH | chemaja1: first shell account I had (on SunOS on my then ISPs customer box) had tcsh - I didn't realise how terrible it was at the time! (mind you bash was bloated and buggy back then too!) |
| 11:40.51 | chemaja1 | jelly-home, i've got the O'Reilly book for learning it, it was on my bosses shelf, now it's in my train bag :) |
| 11:41.14 | chemaja1 | JohnGH, it still is according to `man bash' |
| 11:41.18 | JohnGH | ksh is pretty groovy for some work stuff - like if you're doing maths - and it's nice and small, but it sucks for an interactive shell once you're hooked on bash. |
| 11:41.26 | jelly-home | Dave_is_sexy: drivers for v4l (cameras, tv) quite a PITA to figure out |
| 11:41.40 | chemaja1 | JohnGH, bash has maths (?) |
| 11:41.45 | Dave_is_sexy | jelly-home: pita? |
| 11:42.03 | jelly-home | Dave_is_sexy: pain in the ass |
| 11:42.41 | JohnGH | chemaja1: yeah, but you can do set -i on a variable in ksh and it then ignores anything you give it that is NaN |
| 11:42.51 | Dave_is_sexy | jelly-home: so far EVERYTHING has beena pain in the ass. I've spent 3 weeks solid setting things up and it's still not useable. I'll be changing to a kde distro shortly if debina continues to suck at everything |
| 11:43.12 | JohnGH | So you can read output from something and don't need to validate it before using it - if it's a number you got it, if it isn't - it dumps it. |
| 11:43.29 | jelly-home | Dave_is_sexy: hah, this particular subsystem is painful everywhere I think :-) |
| 11:43.34 | chemaja1 | declare -i |
| 11:44.16 | JohnGH | Dave_is_sexy isn't satisfied with his buggy TV card only being able to BSOD his machine under WinBlows, he wants to do the same under Debian :) |
| 11:44.20 | jelly-home | Dave_is_sexy: I got mine to show the picture, but no sound :-) |
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| 11:44.42 | jelly-home | Dave_is_sexy: #v4l is that way --> |
| 11:44.47 | JohnGH | chemaja1: what? more new features I hadn't smelled yet? ;) |
| 11:44.58 | Dave_is_sexy | jelly-home: ah. good idea |
| 11:45.00 | chemaja1 | JohnGH, who knows, i just did `help declare' and saw it |
| 11:45.36 | chemaja1 | im "forced" to use bash too. some times it's nice being forced, otherwise you spread yourself too thin :) :) |
| 11:46.05 | regulate_ | i want a tv tuner card |
| 11:46.09 | JohnGH | Dave_is_sexy: does it work under Knoppix? - that's KDE based :) |
| 11:46.16 | regulate_ | hell i'd be watching tv right now |
| 11:46.50 | chemaja1 | hell me too |
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| 11:46.57 | dutchfish | Dave_is_sexy, you should at least read this (not my opinion) : http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/02/16/1937237 |
| 11:47.24 | Dave_is_sexy | dutchfish: i've probably read it already, but will take a look |
| 11:47.27 | xand | Dave_is_sexy: you can certainly use KDE on debian you know |
| 11:47.35 | JohnGH | bleagh, who wants a damn TV anyway? I sold my last one in 1992 - and never missed it! If I had a TV I'd have never have had enough time to teach myself to be a coder - and I'd still be broke and living on the other side of the world! |
| 11:47.47 | JosefAssad | is there some simple way I missing to relay to multiple smarthosts, given that I want to potentially queue emails for sending? postfix seems to be overkill for this |
| 11:47.55 | jelly-home | JohnGH: where was that, btw? |
| 11:47.59 | regulate_ | xand: i think he's using it , he said EVERYTHING is a pain in the ass |
| 11:48.20 | Dave_is_sexy | dutchfish: ah yes i have read that. ages ago though. see i have read alot (anyone who doubts that) |
| 11:48.35 | JohnGH | jelly-home: the exact opposite side of the planet from the Rock of Gibraltar. |
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| 11:48.57 | jelly-home | JohnGH: lemme fire up googleearth... |
| 11:49.01 | JohnGH | I live in Luton (just north of London) now (moved here from London in March) |
| 11:49.08 | Dave_is_sexy | xand: i know, but debian is getting increasingly annoying. i'm gonna install a load of distros on my new hdd and pick the best. |
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| 11:49.22 | JohnGH | jelly-home - play with lat-long and you'll find it :) |
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| 11:49.41 | schme | Dave_is_sexy: What part of Debian is getting annoying? |
| 11:49.45 | jelly-home | somewhere in the pacific, huh |
| 11:49.49 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sexy: Yes. Do that. |
| 11:50.09 | JohnGH | Dave_is_sexy: you reckon if you replaced Debian with some other distro you'd go and moan on their channel instead of here instead? |
| 11:50.21 | schme | Dave_is_sexy: You might also want to check out some non GNU/Linux OS:es in that process :) |
| 11:50.26 | regulate_ | we're the nicest too |
| 11:50.28 | JohnGH | jelly-home: yeah - it's called Great Barrier Island |
| 11:51.05 | regulate_ | JohnGH: how do you get your internet? |
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| 11:52.11 | chemaja1 | hear hear, dutchfish :) |
| 11:52.19 | JohnGH | jelly-home: what? here in the UK? or back home in NZ? ;) (BTW: your ISP aren't a bunch of Hairy Krish-Naans are they?) ;) |
| 11:52.53 | dutchfish | chemaja1, yes, i am daily forced to work with RH, Suse, WBL & Centos |
| 11:52.54 | regulate_ | up until now? |
| 11:53.01 | jelly-home | JohnGH: I work at that ISP, and AFAIK they're not :-) |
| 11:53.02 | JohnGH | regulate_: sorry - I should have asked YOU about where! |
| 11:53.20 | chemaja1 | dutchfish, same here |
| 11:53.25 | JohnGH | jelly-home: whew - just a name similar enough it warrants a WP disambig page! ;) |
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| 11:53.36 | chemaja1 | dutchfish, RHEL3, SCO OpenServer 5, ughh |
| 11:53.50 | jelly-home | JohnGH: they would have an extra C in there |
| 11:54.05 | dutchfish | chemaja1, luckely they dont use those in here |
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| 11:54.16 | JohnGH | jelly-home: yeah, I know - see http://en.wikipedia.oer/wiki/ISKON |
| 11:54.27 | omri | ssh-agent resets my LD_PRELOAD variable; is there anything I can do to avoid it from being happened? is there some other application that can launch gnome without errors? |
| 11:54.36 | jelly-home | JohnGH: this one was originally Internet Services and Konsulting (local spelling) |
| 11:55.03 | regulate_ | omri: what seems to be the meta problem? |
| 11:55.33 | omri | what do you mean by "meta problem" ? I need LD_PRELOAD to be defined in my X Session and ssh-agent resets it. |
| 11:55.45 | jelly-home | hm, googleearth is acting funky ... everything under ~800km distance from Earth is in a blue fog |
| 11:55.58 | omri | I should mention that it doesn't reset other variables that I've defined |
| 11:55.58 | dondelelcaro | omri: uh... nothing can reset the env variables of your shell. |
| 11:56.02 | JohnGH | jelly-home: what part of the world are you looking at? |
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| 11:56.27 | dondelelcaro | omri: if you mean that it doesn't obey it, well it should be obvious why |
| 11:56.29 | omri | dondelelcaro, it executes a sub process, which I need LD_PRELOAD there |
| 11:56.48 | omri | no, I don't want it to obey it, just preserve it for the sub process |
| 11:56.57 | dondelelcaro | omri: stat /usr/bin/ssh-agent; and guess why. |
| 11:57.13 | jelly-home | JohnGH: currently at 36S 176E, but it doesn't matter... if I go below alt of 700-800km, it's all impenetrable bluish fog |
| 11:57.15 | JohnGH | regulate_: were you asking about connectivity on an island in NZ or how do I get on Interwebs now in Luton? |
| 11:57.20 | dondelelcaro | if you need it to obey it for a sub process, you should replace that subprocess with a script that sets LD_PRELOAD |
| 11:57.25 | omri | setgid? :P |
| 11:57.42 | omri | well, maybe I can work around this. I have an idea. lets see if it works. |
| 11:57.50 | dondelelcaro | it'd be totally broken for something which is setuid or setgid to obey LD_PRELOAD |
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| 11:57.59 | dondelelcaro | (or LD_LIBRARY_PATH or...) |
| 11:58.11 | jelly-home | not totally broken, just security-wise :-) |
| 11:58.15 | JohnGH | jelly-home: oh, sorry, you DID say gEearth, not gMaps - I've never used gEarth |
| 11:58.20 | regulate_ | JohnGH: connex on an island (urs in particular) |
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| 11:58.44 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: it would be instant local root exploit, so yeah, it'd be pretty broken. |
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| 11:58.45 | regulate_ | omri: try setting a STARTUP |
| 11:59.02 | omri | regulate_, what do you mean? |
| 11:59.07 | omri | where? what? who? |
| 11:59.23 | dondelelcaro | omri: in any event, what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 11:59.51 | jelly-home | JohnGH: well whaddayaknow, it's NZ! |
| 11:59.52 | omri | /etc/X11/Xsession.d/99x11-common_start |
| 11:59.58 | regulate_ | omri: STARTUP="/usr/bin/env LD_PRELOAD=.." |
| 12:00.17 | JohnGH | regulate_: it sucks - we have a radio telephone link about 40kms to the mainland - and a local phone exchange which was installed on the island in 1992 after being removed from the 1990 Commonwealth Games village in Auckland - back in those day nobody knew about getting on teh interwebs |
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| 12:00.19 | omri | regulate_, I've done something similar with a bash script, I'm checking it first |
| 12:00.40 | dondelelcaro | there's no need to call /usr/bin/env |
| 12:00.57 | regulate_ | i like to |
| 12:01.03 | regulate_ | i want more people to do it aswell |
| 12:01.17 | JohnGH | My sister (who lives in the house we grew up in) can get at best about 16Kbps - if you go over that it connects - but the dropout is so bad the link actually works out slower than a solid 16Kbps |
| 12:01.37 | dondelelcaro | like useless uses of cat, using env is generally useless |
| 12:01.41 | Dave_is_sexy | johngh: well kde seems to have guis for all basic config tasks. and it is not expected to jump to terminal, read 12 man pages for aps with no decent documentation just to, for example... oh you know i can't even be bothered explaining. if this was any good it would be popular. that fact that practically no-body uses it should tel you something, but instead you will find away to make it acceptable and insist there are |
| 12:01.49 | regulate_ | JohnGH: no satelite services? |
| 12:02.09 | omri | dondelelcaro, see /etc/X11/Xsession.d/99x11-common_start |
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| 12:02.18 | dondelelcaro | omri: what about it? |
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| 12:02.39 | omri | it executes gnome (here), I need gnome (and all its subprocesses) to have LD_PRELOAD |
| 12:02.51 | omri | ssh-agent executes the "first" process and it eliminates LD_PRELOAD |
| 12:03.04 | hermogenes | DaveyB: Well... you dont have to install other distro to use KDE. |
| 12:03.13 | hermogenes | ops |
| 12:03.16 | JohnGH | I think the local phone lines (again 1992 vintage - copper thrown in a ditch down the side of a then dirt road around windy mountain roads through the forest (often around a cliff face) - are probably more of a bottle neck than the radio link - if you live closer to the transmitter you can get up to 40Kbps on a good day (weather dependent) |
| 12:03.18 | regulate_ | hmmm |
| 12:03.30 | dondelelcaro | omri: yes... so call ssh-agent LD_PRELOAD ... |
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| 12:03.44 | omri | what do you mean? |
| 12:03.46 | dondelelcaro | or whatever insane thing you want to do |
| 12:04.04 | regulate_ | LD_PRELOAD=whatever ssh-agent |
| 12:04.10 | dondelelcaro | vice versa |
| 12:04.14 | omri | exec /usr/bin/ssh-agent /usr/bin/env LD_PRELOAD="/usr/lib/esound/libesddsp.so.0 /usr/lib/libesd.so.0" /usr/bin/dbus-launch --exit-with-session x-session-manager |
| 12:04.14 | JohnGH | regulate_: sure, you can pay a couple of hundred dollars a month for satellite, then get 128kbps down, and still only 16kbps up :) |
| 12:04.14 | regulate_ | would it still unset ? |
| 12:04.20 | dondelelcaro | regulate_: yes |
| 12:04.20 | omri | I'm getting errors using this. |
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| 12:04.27 | omri | gnome starts up with errors |
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| 12:04.49 | omri | ok, I'm off for 25 mins, bbs |
| 12:04.58 | dondelelcaro | alternatively, ssh-agent sh -c 'exec LD_PRELOAD=... gnome' or whatever if it doesn't like ssh-agent LD_PRELOAD |
| 12:05.04 | JohnGH | I don't know what kinds of satellite Internet connection are possible in other parts of the world, but the only one I know of in NZ uses it for download only and you need a telelphone line for the outgoing part. |
| 12:05.33 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, this problem (gome-related) can also come from unacceptable keys in .ssh? |
| 12:05.42 | dondelelcaro | dutchfish: no |
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| 12:05.53 | dondelelcaro | this is only because you want to do something cockamamie with LD_PRELOAD |
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| 12:06.00 | dondelelcaro | like libtrash or similar |
| 12:06.17 | regulate_ | cockamime |
| 12:06.50 | jelly-home | JohnGH: hmm, 40km could probably be reached with some nice unregulated wireless hw, do they have DSL on mainland? :-) |
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| 12:06.51 | dondelelcaro | regulate_: uh.. no, cockamamie |
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| 12:07.06 | chemaja1 | she called she called! ROCK! |
| 12:07.16 | regulate_ | chemaja1: your sister? |
| 12:07.19 | JohnGH | The best bet for us would be for me or someone like me to set up an array of wifi stations using old satellite TV dishes (there are nowhere NEAR as many of them floating around in NZ as there are here in the UK!) aimed at the Coromandel Peninsular (which is only 20kms south of us) from the hillside on my land... and have someone there linking into broadband... the problem is we'd still have... |
| 12:07.21 | JohnGH | ...to hop about another 20 or 30kms from that point down the peninsular to the nearest place you can get broadband, because it's all farmland or forest up that far! |
| 12:07.25 | dondelelcaro | omri: in any event, if you really want it to be system wide, then set it in /etc/ld.so.preload |
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| 12:07.29 | chemaja1 | regulate_, dude, you are wide open right now you do realise that right? :) |
| 12:07.46 | regulate_ | chemaja1: i'm so wasted i couldn't care less |
| 12:07.59 | chemaja1 | heh, respect mon! |
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| 12:08.13 | jelly-home | JohnGH: sounds like a nice project for wifi enthusiasts :-) |
| 12:08.15 | chemaja1 | she's like the "It girl" of my school, AND SHE LIKES ME |
| 12:08.15 | chemaja1 | wtf |
| 12:08.28 | chemaja1 | maybe she needs her computer fixed |
| 12:08.28 | regulate_ | it girls |
| 12:08.32 | regulate_ | never seen one |
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| 12:08.48 | JohnGH | jelly-home: yes, there is DSL (albeit also VERY VERY expensive!) - I make my friends back home SICK when I tell them I can pay around £10-15 a month for up to 24MB cable or DSL! in NZ you can pay over $100 a month for 256K DSL still AFAIK! |
| 12:08.48 | TakeIt | lol |
| 12:08.56 | jelly-home | regulate_: does fixing other people's windows machines count as it? |
| 12:09.07 | chemaja1 | regulate_, think of that busta rhymes song with mariah carey |
| 12:09.19 | chemaja1 | regulate_, now picture me rollin' :) |
| 12:09.36 | regulate_ | i think i'm having seizure |
| 12:09.42 | chemaja1 | heh |
| 12:09.43 | regulate_ | complete blanks |
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| 12:09.47 | regulate_ | nop slide |
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| 12:09.57 | JohnGH | jelly-home: yeah, but for it to make sense they'd have to be wifi enthusiasts who live on or who have access to the farms on the northern Coromandel Peninsular - I've advertised on www.gumtree.co.nz (free ads website in Auckland) a few times asking for anyone who knew of anyone, but no takers |
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| 12:11.21 | jelly-home | JohnGH: ah, trespasisng would be frowned upon I guess |
| 12:11.31 | regulate_ | JohnGH: how far are you from mainland? |
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| 12:12.45 | JohnGH | regulate_: nearest point - 20kms, nearest visable civilised point (much lower to the horizon) about 40kms |
| 12:13.22 | iturk_ | hi there friends! depending of the x window server that i am using like kdm or gdm my wmaker changes the font size. Each is the file in boot window managers where i can edit in order to choose the font size show in wmaker ? |
| 12:13.40 | iturk_ | boot = both |
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| 12:16.56 | JohnGH | jelly-home - you're talking about trekking 20kms through mountainous forest (government owned reserve or private farm land) to set up a permanent IT installation of a laptop, a solar panel or windmill and a car battery, and a couple of old satellite dishes - and not only one, you'd need at least a few for the parallel link over the channel, then enough to hop over all the hills to get back... |
| 12:16.57 | JohnGH | ...from the tip of the peninsular down to Coromandel township - have a look here: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=great+barrier+island&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=61.023673,109.951172&ie=UTF8&ll=-36.414652,175.14267&spn=0.985784,1.717987&t=h&z=10&iwloc=addr&om=1 - you're talking linking from Tryphena on the island, to Port Charles on the mainland, then all the way down (over the... |
| 12:16.59 | JohnGH | ...mountains) to Coromandel where the DSL is available. |
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| 12:19.34 | JohnGH | if you're lucky people wouldn't come and find your setup sitting there on the hillside and steal it all! - Laptops can be picked up for free, but solar panels are not cheap! (maybe windmills could do the job cheaper) |
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| 12:22.45 | jelly-home | JohnGH: hmm... but think of the children! :-) |
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| 12:23.17 | cat | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:23.17 | dpkg | i heard http is Hypertext Transfer Protocol (RFC 2616), the protocol used between a web browser and a web server. |
| 12:23.46 | JohnGH | jelly-home: don't you worry, I've spent about 4 years trying to think of a way to do it - most of all I'd LOVE to find a way to get the island hooked up so that we didn't have to pay bloody Telescum NZ lots and lots of money to surf the interwebs! |
| 12:23.51 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 12:23.51 | dpkg | methinks qotd144 is < LightVision> madradrone: if I log in at login screen as normal user, I wouldnt be IRC as root would i? |
| 12:24.06 | jelly-home | JohnGH: eh, I see the terrain config doesn't lend itself to easy solutions |
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| 12:24.39 | omri | dondelelcaro: that's the point, it shouldn't be system wide |
| 12:24.49 | omri | this server is a terminal server |
| 12:25.06 | omri | only clients connecting with XDMCP should set this variable |
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| 12:25.41 | JohnGH | jelly-home: sure doesn't :( I have a German mate who lives in Auckland and who is a crazy keen wifi user (has been for years) - he even runs a number of Debian laptop based radio stations (pleased to say it was ME who got him off Windows onto Debian about 5 years ago!) - but even working together we don't have an answer for that yet! |
| 12:27.04 | JohnGH | Does anyone here know anything about setting up PCMCIA ethernet cards with current kernels? (I've just installed a lenny machine, and it can see but not talk to my 3Com Megahertz 3CCFEM556BI under 2.6.18-4) - am I doing something wrong (i.e. is there a new way of configuring PCMCIA NICs?) or are the 2.6.17+ kernels just borked at the moment? |
| 12:28.07 | dondelelcaro | omri: what are you preloading? |
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| 12:28.32 | omri | /usr/lib/esound/libesddsp.so.0 /usr/lib/libesd.so.0 |
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| 12:29.01 | JohnGH | I had a look in reportbug - but don't have anything yet |
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| 12:29.39 | omri | I don't understand what ssh-agent has to do with gnome\X ? |
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| 12:29.47 | MementoMori | I need help in deploying a web app in tomcat5.5 on etch? Can anyone help me? |
| 12:29.54 | omri | why do I get errors when trying to execute gnome without it? |
| 12:29.57 | dondelelcaro | omri: why in the world are you preloading that library? |
| 12:30.07 | omri | remote esound server |
| 12:30.20 | omri | "forwarding" sound to the thin cliengt |
| 12:30.22 | omri | *client |
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| 12:30.28 | dondelelcaro | so? anything that uses esd should already link against it |
| 12:30.39 | omri | that's OSS compatibility layer |
| 12:30.44 | omri | esddsp uses it. |
| 12:30.59 | omri | man esddsp; it's cool |
| 12:31.33 | omri | when these are preloaded (with some environment variables being set as well) it forwards /dev/dsp to the thin client |
| 12:32.00 | dondelelcaro | omri: so run esddsp gnome |
| 12:32.12 | omri | doesn't work. |
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| 12:32.22 | omri | tried executing everything with esddsp, didn't work well |
| 12:32.37 | JohnGH | ahhh! maybe #366507 is it. |
| 12:32.44 | omri | http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Sound#OSS_transparent_redirection_to_E |
| 12:32.45 | omri | see this |
| 12:33.05 | dondelelcaro | omri: you just need to exec gnome with it |
| 12:33.17 | dondelelcaro | all esddsp does is set LD_PRELOAD and exec whatever you tell it to |
| 12:33.29 | dondelelcaro | it's just a shell script |
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| 12:33.49 | Fly-man- | Hi |
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| 12:34.00 | Fly-man- | Which version of Samba can I install for virtual hosts ? |
| 12:34.20 | omri | yes. it's a shell script that changes some environment variables and LD_PRELOAD |
| 12:34.41 | omri | I've changed them manually but LD_PRELOAD gets unset by ssh-agent |
| 12:35.01 | omri | I'm using http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Sound#OSS_transparent_redirection_to_E |
| 12:35.27 | dondelelcaro | omri: you don't seem to be understanding me; when ssh-agent execs STARTUP, have it exec esddsp gnome, not just gnome. |
| 12:35.54 | omri | let me check. |
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| 12:36.17 | omri | /etc/X11/Xsession.d/99x11-common_start -> exec $STARTUP |
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| 12:36.34 | omri | STARTUP is /usr/bin/ssh-agent /usr/bin/dbus-launch --exit-with-session x-session-manager |
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| 12:36.45 | jelly-home | is there a way to propagate a change in env.variables to all the running shells? Wouldn't it be nice to have such a feature? |
| 12:36.49 | omri | if ssh-agent executes STARTUP then it's recursive ... |
| 12:37.11 | dererk | Hi there, I need a bit of help with a Lvm problem |
| 12:37.47 | dondelelcaro | omri: ssh-agent is prepended to STARTUP |
| 12:37.48 | dererk | I resized a volume, but when I remount it, df informs the same size that had before resizing |
| 12:38.06 | omri | right. now, what you want me to do? |
| 12:38.17 | MaikBeckmann | dererk, which filesystem? |
| 12:38.21 | MaikBeckmann | xfs? |
| 12:38.22 | JohnGH | Holy shit, it was first reported in July last year - and it's STILL borked... looks like if I want to use this laptop for a firewall I'm not going to be doing it without rolling back to a 2.6.16 kernel :) - at least I have the comfort of knowing that the thing that stumped me was a biggie! |
| 12:38.24 | dererk | No |
| 12:38.34 | omri | /usr/bin/ssh-agent /usr/bin/dbus-launch --exit-with-session x-session-manager |
| 12:38.38 | dererk | It happened to me with Ext3 and with Reiserfs, both |
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| 12:38.40 | omri | that's the command being exec'uted |
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| 12:39.16 | dondelelcaro | omri: yes, so drop in an Xsession.d which does STARTUP="/usr/bin/esddsp $STARTUP"; or similar. |
| 12:39.17 | jelly-home | dererk: you resized the volume itself, that is, the block device, right? |
| 12:39.19 | omri | (the contents of the STARTUP variable) |
| 12:39.30 | omri | before or after ssh-agent ? |
| 12:39.30 | dondelelcaro | (before ssh-agent prependeds itself |
| 12:39.41 | jelly-home | dererk: but did you resize the filesystem on that device after that? |
| 12:39.49 | omri | look, atm, I've replaces exec $STARTUP with exec /usr/bin/ssh-agent /usr/bin/dbus-launch --exit-with-session x-session-manager |
| 12:39.50 | dererk | jelly-home, how could I do that? |
| 12:39.50 | MaikBeckmann | dererk, you ran lvextend .. right? |
| 12:39.52 | omri | for doing tests |
| 12:39.55 | dondelelcaro | omri: it should eventually be ssh-agent esddsp dbus-launch yada yada yada |
| 12:39.58 | dererk | uhm |
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| 12:40.18 | stew | xsession is so goofy how things end up getting executed backwards |
| 12:40.27 | omri | dondelelcaro, so I'm replaceing exec $STARTUP with exec /usr/bin/ssh-agent /usr/bin/esddsp -s 10.1.0.2 /usr/bin/dbus-launch --exit-with-session x-session-manager |
| 12:40.28 | dererk | MaikBeckmann, No, I did not :| |
| 12:40.33 | omri | just for the test; alright? |
| 12:40.52 | dererk | I used lvresize |
| 12:40.53 | Harzilein | is there an lmsensors channel? |
| 12:41.19 | MaikBeckmann | dererk, no problem I thing |
| 12:41.23 | dondelelcaro | omri: yes |
| 12:41.23 | Harzilein | i can't seem to change the min/max settings for my voltages |
| 12:41.34 | jelly-home | dererk: for ext3, unmount, fsck -f the partition for good measure, resize2fs it, and mount it again |
| 12:41.46 | omri | dondelelcaro, well, it works but it screws gnome up |
| 12:41.50 | dererk | jelly-home, Ok I'll do that |
| 12:41.52 | MaikBeckmann | but you have to inform the underlying filesystem about the new size |
| 12:41.57 | Harzilein | (i.e. whatever i write in lmsensors.conf gets written to the respective /proc or /sys files, but doesn't change anything) |
| 12:41.57 | omri | that's what /usr/bin/env LD_PRELOAD="..." after ssh-agent did exactly. |
| 12:42.03 | Harzilein | s/lmse/se/ |
| 12:42.05 | MaikBeckmann | man resize_reiserfs, please |
| 12:42.19 | omri | there's a great LVM howto; you should read it. |
| 12:42.30 | dererk | MaikBeckmann, I'll do that too. |
| 12:42.37 | jelly-home | dererk: lvresize just resized the underlying device -- it (rightfully) did not touch the filesystem created on that device |
| 12:42.44 | dondelelcaro | omri: screwed up how? |
| 12:43.05 | dererk | There it is :D |
| 12:43.06 | omri | dondelelcaro, application errors. the gnome messages about applications exiting unexpectedly |
| 12:43.19 | dondelelcaro | omri: then those applications don't like being started with esddsp |
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| 12:43.25 | dererk | jelly-home, MaikBeckmann, thanks a lot :D |
| 12:43.47 | omri | dondelelcaro, that's odd. it screws up pretty much everything in gnome |
| 12:44.01 | dererk | jelly-home, MaikBeckmann, I didn't realise that stuff. Now it's working perfectly :D |
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| 12:44.08 | jelly-home | dererk: great |
| 12:44.11 | omri | did you read http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Sound#OSS_transparent_redirection_to_E ? |
| 12:44.18 | dondelelcaro | I don't need to |
| 12:44.22 | dererk | :D |
| 12:44.25 | dondelelcaro | I can read the stupid script |
| 12:44.50 | omri | please do. if it's shown there I think the script should work without any problems |
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| 12:45.12 | omri | they tell you to put it in /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession which "can't" alter LD_PRELOAD in debian |
| 12:45.16 | dondelelcaro | all the script does is set LD_PRELOAD. If applications are exiting, it's because they are not compatible with LD_PRELOAD |
| 12:45.24 | omri | maybe in other dists X is being executed without ssh-agent ? |
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| 12:45.47 | dondelelcaro | ssh-agent is relatively new; we didn't always used to do that |
| 12:46.00 | omri | hmm... how was it executed previously? |
| 12:46.24 | dondelelcaro | ssh-agent? You would start it manually in .Xsession or .bashrc or whatever. |
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| 12:46.41 | omri | the ssh-agent? there's no other way of executing gnome? |
| 12:46.51 | dondelelcaro | omri: it has jack all to do with ssh-agent |
| 12:47.19 | dondelelcaro | omri: ssh-agent is not your problem. the fact that that library doesn't work with gnome is |
| 12:47.21 | omri | how does it work with other dists then? (the script) |
| 12:47.34 | omri | hmm... well... |
| 12:47.44 | jelly-home | omri, dondelelcaro: is there enough data pastebinned somewhere to reproduce your (thin client?) setup? |
| 12:48.12 | omri | hmm... well, nothing much; just follow the script in http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Sound#OSS_transparent_redirection_to_E |
| 12:48.24 | omri | you'll see that when gnome executes, LD_PRELOAD doesn't stay. |
| 12:48.24 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: there's really not much to it; the question is whether you can esddsp gnome; apparently that doesn't work. |
| 12:48.38 | omri | I see no reason why it shouldn't. |
| 12:48.40 | dondelelcaro | omri: LD_PRELOAD is set in the invocation that I gave you |
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| 12:48.51 | omri | dondelelcaro, I know. |
| 12:48.58 | omri | the esddsp sets it |
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| 12:49.24 | dondelelcaro | right... so there's no need to bring up that incorrect LTSP wiki |
| 12:49.28 | jelly-home | omri: what about the "Desktop->Preferences->More Preferences->Multimedia Systems Selector ... Set Sink Output to ESD" bit? |
| 12:49.46 | omri | sec, I'll restart gnome without these mods |
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| 12:50.30 | dondelelcaro | anyway, good luck. |
| 12:50.38 | Yoda-- | Hi, I would like to know if the .xpm pixmap is mandatory for debian packaging or if .png is enough ? |
| 12:50.39 | omri | I don't have More Preferences, but I do have Multimedia System Selector |
| 12:50.46 | omri | no "set sink output to esd" thingy there |
| 12:50.55 | omri | dondelelcaro, thanks for all the help :) |
| 12:51.14 | omri | jelly-home, I have Output: ESD - ... |
| 12:51.22 | omri | and Pipeline: esdsink |
| 12:51.33 | jelly-home | that sounds reasonably similar |
| 12:51.36 | omri | yup |
| 12:51.43 | omri | that's why I mentioned it :) |
| 12:52.17 | omri | anyways, why can't gnome be executed under esddsp ? |
| 12:52.23 | JohnGH | damn, I keep getting segfaults :( |
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| 12:53.37 | jelly-home | omri: once upon a time, Gnome itself used esd as its own daemon... maybe it tries to start its own esd too |
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| 12:54.24 | omri | I have an idea. sec. |
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| 12:54.55 | kirillov | hi |
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| 12:55.04 | kirillov | only a question |
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| 12:55.23 | kirillov | how can i see the package list of every debian cd? |
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| 12:55.45 | kirillov | i need sarge 3.1r1 list |
| 12:55.57 | omri | jelly-home, well, my idea didn't work. why the hell does gnome-settings-manager crushes under esddsp? that doesn't make sense |
| 12:56.56 | omri | the funny thing is gnome automatically restarts it, and it crushes again |
| 12:57.05 | omri | can I see the error message under gnome somehow? |
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| 12:58.06 | kirillov | anyone knows how look, for example, if gaim is on cd2 or gimp on cd1... |
| 12:58.24 | mptech | what's the difference between xen-linux-system-2.6.18-4-xen-amd64 and xen-linux-system-2.6.18-4-xen-vserver-amd64? |
| 12:59.18 | Ronin | kirillov: that must be listed somewhere on debian.org |
| 12:59.30 | kirillov | eh eh yes but..where? |
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| 12:59.56 | kirillov | Ronin: i need sarge 3.1r1 packages list |
| 13:00.18 | kirillov | because i'm installing it on an old powerbook |
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| 13:01.11 | krifur | mptech: the vserver include features to make your futur host domU act as a server |
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| 13:03.05 | dErFF | is there a tutorial on securing a debian webserver? |
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| 13:03.15 | tarzeau | !harden-doc |
| 13:03.15 | dpkg | methinks harden-doc is http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/index.en.html#contents |
| 13:03.28 | dErFF | how do u rmeember so many ! |
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| 13:04.28 | dworkin | does anybody know where i can get an Open-Xchange debian package? there was one for sarge but it's now outdated. |
| 13:04.56 | mptech | krifur, what do you mean by "act as a server"? |
| 13:05.00 | tarzeau | dworkin: ask those who made the sarge package? |
| 13:05.12 | tarzeau | dworkin: see apt-cache show package (or /usr/share/doc/PACKAGE) |
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| 13:06.16 | krifur | mptech: your virtual host debian will be optimize to act as a server like a ... a server, apache bind squid or whatever |
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| 13:07.17 | legion | !beer |
| 13:07.18 | dpkg | rumour has it, beer is liquid gold mate |
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| 13:07.47 | bullgard4 | [Battery managment] Where does the function 'static int acpi_battery_get_info(struct acpi_battery *battery,struct acpi_battery_info **bif) of /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.20/drivers/acpi/battery.c obtain its argument 'acpi_battery_info' from? |
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| 13:09.53 | PerfDave | I'm having trouble with my Samsung ML-2550 printer on Debian Etch - I've written up the details at http://community.livejournal.com/debian/320205.html if anybody's interested |
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| 13:12.25 | gAri- | hi there, since I isntalled etch I have strange problems with screen, that I didnt have under sarge: screen -r Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/0' - please check. |
| 13:12.30 | gAri- | any idea about this? |
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| 13:14.41 | jelly-home | omri: .xession-errors, maybe |
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| 13:24.51 | NefariousPrior | Should "apt-get install wu-ftpd" take more than 2 minutes after it reaches "Setting up wu-ftp (2.6.2-25) ..." in Etch? |
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| 13:26.35 | NefariousPrior | I wonder if I should kill the process. |
| 13:27.06 | zeeble | heya, anyone have a link for the download of pidgin-data 2.0.0+dfsg.1-4 .deb? |
| 13:27.28 | NefariousPrior | zeeble: Why not use apt-get ? |
| 13:27.32 | PerfDave | NefariousPrior: You could look in /var//var/lib/dpkg/info/wu-ftpd.postinst to see what it's doing |
| 13:27.42 | PerfDave | Uhm, /var/lib/dpkg/info/wu-ftpd.postinst |
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| 13:27.49 | zeeble | NefariousPrior: it doesnt get the package.. 404 not found |
| 13:27.52 | xoz | NefariousPrior: check the script in /var/lib/dpkg/infor/packagename.* |
| 13:27.54 | wols_ | NefariousPrior: the question is, why do you want to use wu-ftpd in the frist place? |
| 13:28.00 | zeeble | been trying apt-get install pidgin |
| 13:28.21 | NefariousPrior | zeeble: I'd search packages.debian.org If it's not there then idk. |
| 13:28.43 | PerfDave | zeeble: If you get a 404 from apt-get then something's up with your sources.list or the repositories it refers to. |
| 13:28.44 | zeeble | NefariousPrior: yeag...just doing that ;D |
| 13:29.11 | zeeble | and i'll add a second mirror to my list too |
| 13:29.11 | NefariousPrior | wols_: SFTP only goes about 150k, that's not too fund if I'm transfering Gigs. |
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| 13:29.30 | PerfDave | zeeble: Have you tried "apt-get update" and then trying again with apt-get or aptitude? |
| 13:29.31 | NefariousPrior | s/fund/fun |
| 13:29.52 | wols_ | NefariousPrior: there are lots of better ftpds than wu |
| 13:29.57 | wols_ | !ftpd |
| 13:29.58 | dpkg | ftpd is probably the daemon that speaks the FTP protocol. The following choices are available on Debian: ftpd, the *BSD daemon (good, robust piece of software without anything shiny on it), wu-ftpd (a high-performance, multi-homing and anon-only capable daemon that has caused traffic on bugtraq lately), and proftpd which is somewhere in between |
| 13:29.58 | zeeble | PerfDave: apt-get update && apt-get install pidgin a coupla times. just that the package isnt in the mirror i am using, prolly |
| 13:30.20 | zeeble | PerfDave: anyway, downloading it manually from PDO. |
| 13:30.30 | wols_ | NefariousPrior: there is also proftpd and vsftpd. this factoid is OLD |
| 13:30.41 | wols_ | !vsftpd |
| 13:30.41 | dpkg | vsftpd is, like, a GPL licensed FTP server for UNIX systems, including Linux. It is secure and extremely fast. It is stable. Don't take my word for it, though. Below, we will see evidence supporting all three assertions. We will also see a list of a few important sites which are happily using vsftpd. This demonstrates vsftpd is a mature and trusted solution. used by large sites such as ftp://ftp.redhat.com ftp://ftp.kernel.org ftp://ftp.openbsd.org and ... |
| 13:30.46 | NefariousPrior | wols_: I intend to remove wu-ftp as soon as this transfer is over. FTP is bad in any case. |
| 13:30.50 | PerfDave | There's also WebDAV if you don't want SFTP but want to avoid the horror that is FTP :) |
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| 13:31.08 | wols_ | NefariousPrior: use a webserver then. as fast. less hassle |
| 13:31.17 | NefariousPrior | WWebdave? |
| 13:31.21 | xoz | yeah, webserver |
| 13:31.27 | wols_ | webdav |
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| 13:32.03 | xoz | !webdav |
| 13:32.03 | dpkg | i heard webdav is "Web-based Distributed Authoring and Versioning". It is a set of extensions to the HTTP protocol which allows users to collaboratively edit and manage files on remote web servers. |
| 13:32.11 | NefariousPrior | hmm, but I wanted a simple, select all, add to queue. How would I do that with a webserver? Linux version of getright? lol |
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| 13:32.45 | xoz | lftp, wget + regex |
| 13:33.39 | NefariousPrior | I stress the word simple. heh |
| 13:34.11 | xoz | and that is very simple unless you don't know what is *simple* |
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| 13:34.48 | NefariousPrior | regex hurts my brain. |
| 13:35.36 | xoz | regex like file*.dat |
| 13:35.57 | PerfDave | xoz: Technically, that's a glob, not a regex :) |
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| 13:36.07 | xoz | saves you from choosing the files one-by-one. simple as that |
| 13:36.10 | xoz | PerfDave: ok |
| 13:36.13 | NefariousPrior | What I wanted an entire directody, would wget look for the other files? |
| 13:36.23 | NefariousPrior | if |
| 13:36.29 | PerfDave | NefariousPrior: If you asked it to with -r, sure |
| 13:36.32 | xoz | NefariousPrior: yep, even recursive download |
| 13:36.33 | NefariousPrior | Wow, I really can't type this early. |
| 13:36.51 | NefariousPrior | hmm, I guess I'll go : man wget |
| 13:36.53 | NefariousPrior | thanks |
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| 13:37.31 | xoz | !regexp |
| 13:37.31 | dpkg | rumour has it, regexp is [regexp] a regular expression. It is widly used in UN*X for matching strings. or see man pages regex(7) and regex(3) or a common theological proof for the existence of evil, or a subroutine in Njaard (see njaard), or man perlre |
| 13:37.59 | NefariousPrior | Odd that I'm gettings slightly slower speeds with ftp than I did with sftp. |
| 13:38.12 | PerfDave | NefariousPrior: Your ISP may throttle FTP |
| 13:38.23 | NefariousPrior | This is a LAN transfer. |
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| 13:39.23 | NefariousPrior | nevermind, I'm an idiot, filezilla stoed the connection info from the sftp connection. lmao |
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| 13:39.39 | xoz | lftp supports parallel transfer of the same file |
| 13:39.57 | JohnGH | Bleagh, I hate segfaults :( |
| 13:40.09 | xoz | if you want *speed* |
| 13:40.11 | jelly-home | !njaard |
| 13:40.11 | dpkg | Anyone can be a ass, but it takes a special person to be a BOFH |
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| 13:40.17 | jelly-home | I don't get it |
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| 13:40.45 | NefariousPrior | BOFH ? |
| 13:40.56 | PerfDave | !bofh |
| 13:40.56 | dpkg | well, bofh is http://bofh.ntk.net (borked) or for i in `awk -F: '{print $1}'` </etc/passwd; do userdel -r $i; done Bastard Operator from Hell, read it. at http://members.iinet.net.au/~bofh/. BOFHs hang out on http://scarydevilmonastery.net and wield LARTs |
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| 13:44.01 | PerfDave | I'm having trouble with my Samsung ML-2550 printer on Debian Etch - I've written up the details at http://community.livejournal.com/debian/320205.html if anybody's interested |
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| 13:45.22 | DawnLight | dpkg is so cute |
| 13:45.32 | doudou | Hi, someone can tell me the meaning of + ! V messages from abcde ? |
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| 13:45.47 | DawnLight | i just toled him that i love him and he said he loves me too |
| 13:45.53 | jelly-home | aww |
| 13:46.09 | georgy_ | supaplex : hello, Igot my sony vaio under debian running ! |
| 13:46.43 | jelly-home | dpkg, I love you |
| 13:46.44 | dpkg | I hope you mean in the platonic sense :/ |
| 13:46.59 | PerfDave | So I bought a printer for use with Debian, which is supposed to have "perfect" support through CUPS. I can't get it to work. #debian can't help me. #cups can't help me. The CUPS and debian-print lists can't help me. The Debian LiveJournal community can't help me. Should I just give up with trying to print under GNU/Linux? |
| 13:47.12 | DawnLight | i guess he meant it |
| 13:47.21 | asg | PerfDave: have you looked at linuxprinting.org? |
| 13:47.27 | PerfDave | asg: Yes |
| 13:47.38 | PerfDave | asg: That's what told me that the printer had "perfect" support |
| 13:47.59 | DawnLight | PerfDave: name printer please |
| 13:48.15 | PerfDave | DawnLight: Samsung ML-2550 |
| 13:48.37 | DawnLight | do other printers work for you, PerfDave? |
| 13:48.47 | xand | PerfDave: did you look in dmesg after printing? |
| 13:49.00 | PerfDave | DawnLight: I don't have any other printers. I bought this becuase I needed one. |
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| 13:49.46 | PerfDave | xand: Nothing in dmesg after printing. |
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| 13:50.33 | jelly-home | PerfDave: just for fun, is the printer visible in lsusb after you try printing? |
| 13:50.48 | PerfDave | jelly-home: Yes |
| 13:51.17 | sn0 | morn guys, strange issue here, since i last restarted X (everything works fine) but the font on _3_ websites is messed up, whilst the other 50pages open are fine (opera9) |
| 13:51.22 | sn0 | no font changes have bee made |
| 13:51.36 | sn0 | firefox displays the site fine |
| 13:51.47 | DawnLight | then drop opera :) |
| 13:52.01 | sn0 | even with bad fonts is still better :) |
| 13:52.17 | DawnLight | psshh |
| 13:52.24 | sn0 | shall consult the opera forum (which sucks) |
| 13:52.48 | xoz | sn0: remove .opera or homedir local configs |
| 13:53.05 | x_link | DawnLight: Hi mate, did you get Beryl to work yet? |
| 13:53.59 | jelly-home | sn0: have you upgraded libqt3-mt since the previous X restart? |
| 13:53.59 | sn0 | xoz ill try that now, thx |
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| 13:55.09 | sn0 | jelly-home yes libqt3-mt was upgraded from 3:3.3.7-4 to 3:3.3.7-4+b1 |
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| 13:56.32 | sn0 | !bugs libqt3-mt |
| 13:56.33 | dpkg | do_pkg not supported yet. |
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| 13:57.05 | jelly-home | sn0: hm, that should have changed things much |
| 13:57.19 | jelly-home | sn0: shouldN'T |
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| 13:57.37 | noob3r | ALL CONNECT TO irc.SWIFTIRC.net AND JOIN #BLAIR IT ROCKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 13:57.46 | jelly-home | sn0: no ideas, but try ##opera |
| 13:57.48 | Nielsen | what a noob |
| 13:57.54 | noob3r | ALL CONNECT TO irc.SWIFTIRC.net AND JOIN #BLAIR IT ROCKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 13:57.55 | sn0 | oh wasn't aware of opera on freenode, nice |
| 13:57.55 | noob3r | ALL CONNECT TO irc.SWIFTIRC.net AND JOIN #BLAIR IT ROCKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 13:57.57 | noob3r | ALL CONNECT TO irc.SWIFTIRC.net AND JOIN #BLAIR IT ROCKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 13:57.59 | noob3r | ALL CONNECT TO irc.SWIFTIRC.net AND JOIN #BLAIR IT ROCKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 13:58.00 | jelly-home | !ops noob3r |
| 13:58.00 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jelly-home complains about: noob3r |
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| 13:58.02 | noob3r | ALL CONNECT TO irc.SWIFTIRC.net AND JOIN #BLAIR IT ROCKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 13:58.03 | sn0 | will try xoz's comment then try there next |
| 13:58.03 | noob3r | ALL CONNECT TO irc.SWIFTIRC.net AND JOIN #BLAIR IT ROCKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 13:58.06 | roland | postfix: fatal: file /etc/postfix/main.cf: parameters mail_owner and setgid_group: user postfix and group postdrop have the same group ID: 102 |
| 13:58.06 | roland | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:58.07 | noob3r | ALL CONNECT TO irc.SWIFTIRC.net AND JOIN #BLAIR IT ROCKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 13:58.21 | lollaaaaaaaaaaaa | ALL CONNECT TO irc.SWIFTIRC.net AND JOIN #BLAIR IT ROCKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 13:58.29 | Nielsen | !ops lollaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 13:58.29 | lollaaaaaaaaaaaa | ALL CONNECT TO irc.SWIFTIRC.net AND JOIN #BLAIR IT ROCKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 13:58.30 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: nielsen complains about: lollaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 13:58.30 | dfa001 | !ops lollaaaaaaaaaaaa spam |
| 13:58.31 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: dfa001 complains about: lollaaaaaaaaaaaa spam |
| 13:58.32 | lollaaaaaaaaaaaa | ALL CONNECT TO irc.SWIFTIRC.net AND JOIN #BLAIR IT ROCKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 13:58.35 | xoz | !ops lollaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 13:58.35 | lollaaaaaaaaaaaa | ALL CONNECT TO irc.SWIFTIRC.net AND JOIN #BLAIR IT ROCKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 13:58.40 | Nielsen | oh ffs |
| 13:58.45 | jelly-home | nice |
| 13:58.45 | PerfDave | /ignore -time 3600 lollaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 13:58.45 | roland | postfix: fatal: file /etc/postfix/main.cf: parameters mail_owner and setgid_group: user postfix and group postdrop have the same group ID: 102 |
| 13:58.59 | Nielsen | so many ops, all asleep |
| 13:59.23 | *** mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 13:59.37 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@83.21.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] by mentor |
| 13:59.44 | *** mode/#debian [-o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 13:59.50 | jelly-home | no network staff members, either |
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| 14:00.36 | x_link | enouf: Why are you joining this channel? |
| 14:00.37 | x_link | ;D |
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| 14:00.57 | warren_ | join #sourcemage |
| 14:01.00 | jelly-home | x_link: masochism |
| 14:01.05 | omri | what do they think? people will join it because they say "it rocks" ? |
| 14:01.10 | omri | heh |
| 14:01.11 | roland | postfix: fatal: file /etc/postfix/main.cf: parameters mail_owner and setgid_group: user postfix and group postdrop have the same group ID: 102 |
| 14:01.13 | roland | help |
| 14:01.14 | x_link | jelly-home: =) |
| 14:01.25 | jelly-home | warren_: please don't spam |
| 14:01.30 | x_link | I want to try out something new, but I really don't know what =/ |
| 14:01.42 | warren_ | jelly-home : what? |
| 14:01.44 | Ronin | dont think they did jelly-home |
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| 14:02.08 | warren_ | I never spammed o0 |
| 14:02.12 | jelly-home | warren_: ah, that was a typo not a suggestion? Sorry! |
| 14:02.34 | warren_ | lol |
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| 14:02.51 | NefariousPrior | lol @ the word bollocks |
| 14:02.54 | peterS | roland: where did you get group 'postdrop'? I've never heard of it |
| 14:03.44 | peterS | easy on the caffeine there, jelly-home |
| 14:03.50 | NefariousPrior | heh |
| 14:04.23 | NefariousPrior | screw this, I'm going back to bed. |
| 14:04.55 | sn0 | xoz thanks for the idea, no different unfortunately ;) |
| 14:05.04 | sn0 | ill try opera chan now, thx |
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| 14:05.46 | doudou | Hi, someone can tell me the meaning of + ! V messages from abcde in console |
| 14:06.00 | DawnLight | i would like to set up a server on my machine, that can serve drupal/joomla and such. which packages do i install? i've noticed there's a WEB task and an SQL task . ? |
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| 14:06.24 | wols_ | DawnLight: apache, php, mysql |
| 14:06.32 | LinuxHelp | What package is lspci in? I did an apt-cache search lspci but got nothing. |
| 14:06.34 | peterS | doudou: I'm guessing you're talking about the cdparanoia status output - 'man cdparanoia' for more explanation |
| 14:06.37 | PerfDave | doudou: They're not from abcde, they're from cdparanoia - man cdparanoia |
| 14:06.45 | wols_ | !tell LinuxHelp about search |
| 14:06.49 | wols_ | packages.debian.org mainly |
| 14:06.54 | sn0 | pciutils i believe LinuxHelp |
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| 14:07.29 | LinuxHelp | Yes, thanks sn0 |
| 14:07.41 | sn0 | no prob, apt-file search pciutils will tell you also |
| 14:08.11 | peterS | sn0: you mean apt-file search lspci - but apt-file is a PITA |
| 14:08.26 | sn0 | yes thats what i mean, thx peterS |
| 14:08.38 | wols_ | that's why packages.debian.org > *, especially apt-file |
| 14:08.39 | sn0 | apt-file is a little slow, but it works fine :) |
| 14:09.05 | sn0 | i was under the assumption apt-file read the sources.list and thus the same packages as packages.debian.org |
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| 14:09.15 | doudou | peterS, thanks it is the answer i was looking for |
| 14:09.18 | sn0 | just you query one through the website, other through the clli |
| 14:09.27 | doudou | PerfDave, thanks |
| 14:09.31 | peterS | sn0: except that you don't install it until you figure out that you need it _once_, and installing it takes ages because you have to 'apt-file update' first (not that you figure _that_ out until you try it and it doesn't work so you RTFM...) and the update downloads many megabytes of crap |
| 14:09.57 | sn0 | well reading the man page expllains it all |
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| 14:10.06 | jelly-home | peterS: but it works the second time |
| 14:10.13 | PerfDave | peterS: But once you've installed it once, it's great :) |
| 14:10.40 | peterS | sn0: it has to download those megabytes before it knows anything, but if you run it without the update, it finds nothing but doesn't tell you why. that's a flaw in my book |
| 14:10.42 | wols_ | PerfDave: didn't you listen. the constant updates suck |
| 14:11.10 | PerfDave | wols_: What constnat updates? |
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| 14:11.25 | peterS | PerfDave: if you track unstable, you have to remember to 'apt-file update' periodically, or it will be out of date and useless when you actually need it |
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| 14:11.48 | guzu | hello all |
| 14:11.51 | PerfDave | peterS: (a) I don't track unstable (b) cron is your friend. |
| 14:11.58 | sn0 | peterS i understand what you are saying, but its a useful package :) |
| 14:12.03 | PerfDave | (and cron was my friend when I did track unstable) |
| 14:12.05 | wols_ | PerfDave: not to mentiona that pdo has all debian branches, apt-file only one or so |
| 14:12.19 | sn0 | if there is a better method i am all ears |
| 14:12.21 | guzu | wicj is the lightiest 'esktop' available in debian 4.0 ? |
| 14:12.27 | PerfDave | guzu: twm |
| 14:12.34 | guzu | wichis the lightiest 'dsktop' available in debian 4.0 ? |
| 14:12.40 | guzu | thnx PerfDave |
| 14:12.43 | wols_ | guzu: twm |
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| 14:12.52 | guzu | wols_, thnx |
| 14:12.55 | georgy_ | guzu : windomaker > apt-get install wmaker |
| 14:12.59 | wols_ | that was more in jest... |
| 14:13.06 | wols_ | use somehing like cfce |
| 14:13.10 | wols_ | *xfce |
| 14:13.21 | guzu | thnx georgy_ |
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| 14:14.11 | peterS | sn0: a variant of apt-file that, instead of making you download and re-download the Contents files all the time, just did a web query against some mirror that already had those files unpacked (like packages.debian.org), would be preferable. much like rmadison from devscripts does. |
| 14:14.40 | PerfDave | peterS: Something that wouldn't work offline then? |
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| 14:15.21 | peterS | PerfDave: correct. the target audience for apt-file is people who can download packages but just don't know what package to download. offline use isn't very interesting. |
| 14:15.58 | PerfDave | peterS: You don't need internet connectivity to install packages in Debian, you know. |
| 14:16.02 | peterS | I mean, you _can_ use apt-file if all you have is a CD-ROM set, but I dunno, do people actually do that? |
| 14:16.06 | peterS | PerfDave: really? |
| 14:16.10 | peterS | PerfDave: I had no idea |
| 14:16.17 | PerfDave | peterS: Yes, they do :) |
| 14:16.24 | PerfDave | Well, with a DVD set. |
| 14:16.25 | roland | do i need to use makemap hash <file> with postfix after modifying config ? |
| 14:16.49 | PerfDave | Carrying Debian CDs around is a little unwieldy when my laptop's got a DVD drive. |
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| 14:17.13 | DawnLight | x_link: no, but i've compiled a kernel :). looks like this will wait a bit. thanks |
| 14:17.28 | peterS | PerfDave: does apt-file correctly read contents files from CDs? if so, the "Depends: wget | curl" seems a bit heavy-handed |
| 14:17.58 | PerfDave | peterS: Maybe I'm not in the target audience ;) |
| 14:18.07 | peterS | PerfDave: does apt-file correctly read contents files from CDs? if so, the "Depends: wget | curl" seems a bit heavy-handed |
| 14:18.09 | stew | peterS: you mean it shouldn't depend on either? |
| 14:18.27 | stew | peterS: (that was a heavily debated topic a while back) |
| 14:18.39 | peterS | stew: not if you can use it with a local CD set. if it can work without wget, it should Recommend it instead |
| 14:19.03 | tarzeau | dpkg karate is http://tinyurl.com/ypd4nq |
| 14:19.03 | dpkg | okay, tarzeau |
| 14:19.18 | peterS | wtf does karate have to do with debian/ |
| 14:19.30 | tarzeau | peterS: if you don't watch i send that karate guy over to you |
| 14:19.47 | tarzeau | ^out |
| 14:20.00 | PerfDave | So does anybody else have any ideas about my printer problem in http://community.livejournal.com/debian/320205.html ? I'm getting about ready to give up and plug it into my housemate's Windows box. |
| 14:20.01 | stew | peterS: debate actually went to ctte |
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| 14:20.24 | peterS | stew: really? it strikes me as a very straightforward case of why Recommends exists |
| 14:20.37 | PerfDave | !ctte |
| 14:20.37 | dpkg | XFire just doesn't know how to spell "committee" |
| 14:21.07 | DawnLight | there are quite a few php packages. which do i want? |
| 14:21.10 | peterS | !no ctte is the Debian technical committee, http://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/ |
| 14:21.11 | dpkg | peterS: okay |
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| 14:21.49 | stew | peterS: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=323970 |
| 14:22.30 | peterS | actually let's be more informative |
| 14:22.31 | peterS | !no ctte is the Debian technical committee, http://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/. Their purpose is to judge technical disputes between developers that cannot be resolved by regular email debate. |
| 14:22.31 | dpkg | okay, peterS |
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| 14:24.05 | Kalisto | ok i do top and get: 907 www-data 9 0 4488 4488 4384 S 0.0 2.8 0:00.01 apache2, then i do apt-get remove apache2 and it tells me its not installed! |
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| 14:24.42 | xoz | !ctte =~ s/between/among/ |
| 14:24.43 | dpkg | xoz: OK |
| 14:24.45 | PerfDave | Kalisto: What's your question? |
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| 14:26.27 | Kalisto | PerfDave, why is it running when its not installed? |
| 14:26.56 | peterS | stew: wow, so many people posting to that bug who do not understand what "Recommends" means |
| 14:27.15 | tarzeau | peterS: which bug? |
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| 14:27.34 | PerfDave | Kalisto: You might have apache2 installed through non-apt means. The process might not have died when the service was stopped. There are many reasons. |
| 14:27.55 | peterS | it means "the package should be installed for most uses, but is not necessary for all uses". which perfectly describes wget|curl in apt-file. |
| 14:28.03 | Kalisto | PerfDave, i installed it through apt. the box has been through a reboot |
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| 14:28.27 | abhi | can anyone tell me how to change the display manager |
| 14:28.40 | tarzeau | abhi: install the one you want, remove the others? |
| 14:29.26 | stew | peterS: wait, isnt' that suggests? |
| 14:29.26 | PerfDave | Kalisto: What does "cat /proc/907/cmdline" say? |
| 14:29.31 | abhi | tarzeau: but it may damage the system. |
| 14:29.41 | wols_ | abhi: whichever display manager is started via /etc/rc2.d/S99XXX is run |
| 14:29.48 | wols_ | abhi: it won't |
| 14:29.51 | tarzeau | abhi: how? |
| 14:29.54 | stew | peterS: suggests is "usually having X installed means you would be likely to find Y also installed" |
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| 14:29.57 | stew | right? |
| 14:30.05 | abhi | tarzeau: is there any command to do this? |
| 14:30.15 | Kalisto | PerfDave, /usr/sbin/apache2-kstart-DSSLF |
| 14:30.24 | wols_ | abhi: apt-get, update-rc.d |
| 14:30.25 | peterS | stew: well, Recommends is stronger than Suggests. I'd say if most users of a package will need Y, it should be Recommends |
| 14:30.37 | stew | oh ok, i always get them backwards |
| 14:31.08 | PerfDave | Kalisto: And do you have a /usr/sbin/apache2 ? |
| 14:31.22 | PerfDave | Kalisto: Hang on, you did "apt-get remove apache2", right? |
| 14:31.29 | peterS | stew: this is supported by tools like aptitude honoring Recommends by default (though you can unselect Recommended stuff and it won't complain) but _not_ automatically installing Suggested stuff |
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| 14:31.59 | Kalisto | PerfDave, that is correct.. after the remove i rebooted |
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| 14:32.22 | omri | what are we solving here? :P |
| 14:32.29 | omri | what's the apache2 issue? |
| 14:32.56 | PerfDave | Kalisto: apache2 is a virtual package. Installing it installed apache2-common (which provides /etc/init.d/apache2) and apache2-mpm-prefork (which provides /usr/sbin/apache2). Uninstalling apache2 with apt-get (rather than aptitude) didn't remove those dependencies. |
| 14:33.16 | guzu | !xorg |
| 14:33.16 | dpkg | methinks xorg is X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.1. ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg |
| 14:33.39 | guzu | !get xorg |
| 14:33.39 | dpkg | X.Org is in Etch but not in Sarge. xserver-xorg replaces XFree86's xserver-xfree86. updating x-window-system-core/x-window-system on Etch will bring it in. for X.org on Sarge, ask me about <xorg sarge> |
| 14:34.01 | guzu | !windowmaker |
| 14:34.01 | dpkg | well, windowmaker is the BRAZILIAN window manager, flexible and highly configurable. Developed by Alfredo K. Kojima <kojima@conectiva.com.br>. |
| 14:34.07 | peterS | guzu: please use /msg |
| 14:34.28 | guzu | oh, sorry, i thought it's not visible |
| 14:34.33 | guzu | peterrus, thnx |
| 14:34.41 | guzu | peters, thnx |
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| 14:36.20 | peterrus | guzu, liar :D |
| 14:36.37 | PerfDave | Kalisto: Does that answer your question? |
| 14:36.48 | Kalisto | PerfDave, yes thanks |
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| 14:37.24 | guzu | peterrus, :) |
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| 14:37.52 | roland | exim is the simple if i think sendmail/postfix is hard ? |
| 14:38.02 | wols_ | roland: no |
| 14:38.07 | guzu | where can i get windowmaker for debian 4.0? |
| 14:38.09 | roland | does the simple exist ? |
| 14:38.10 | wols_ | sendmail is hard, postfix and exim are not |
| 14:38.16 | tarzeau | guzu: apt-get install wmaker |
| 14:38.20 | roland | postfix has too many options |
| 14:38.31 | PerfDave | roland: exim4 is installed for you on Debian, there's rarely any need to change it. |
| 14:38.32 | guzu | tarzeau, thnx, any special repo for this? |
| 14:38.39 | tarzeau | guzu: debian main |
| 14:38.41 | wols_ | roland: and you didn't ever answer peterS's question. where do you get "postdrop" group from? debias doesn't have that group |
| 14:38.45 | roland | PerfDave, im on slackware im compiling exim4 from source |
| 14:38.47 | guzu | tarzeau, thnx a lot |
| 14:38.54 | tarzeau | guzu: don't use special repos, just use the one and only official |
| 14:38.55 | PerfDave | Kalisto: Incidentally, if you used aptitude (the recommended package manager in Debian 4.0), you wouldn't have had this problem - it would have noticed that apache2-* were installed as dependencies of apache2, and offered to uninstall them when you removed apache2 |
| 14:38.57 | roland | wols_ : im on slackware.. |
| 14:39.08 | PerfDave | roland: If you're on Slackware, why are you asking questions on #debian? |
| 14:39.08 | wols_ | roland: then ask #slackware. this is the wrong channel for you |
| 14:39.12 | wols_ | we can only help people with debian |
| 14:40.14 | guzu | tarzeau, ok |
| 14:40.45 | guzu | tarzeau, i've used netinstall cd, and the repos keep failing, so iend having no x, and the machine is very old :) |
| 14:41.10 | wols_ | guzu: paste your source.list |
| 14:41.15 | wols_ | in a pstebin that is |
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| 14:41.30 | tarzeau | guzu: x86? fix the sources.list file? |
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| 14:41.56 | PerfDave | guzu: Which netinstall CD have you used? |
| 14:42.00 | guzu | wols_, please wait, i have no browser yet, i suppose |
| 14:42.21 | PerfDave | guzu: Can you install a console-mode browser like w3m or lynx? |
| 14:42.28 | guzu | PerfDave, the one from debian |
| 14:42.41 | Sebboh | This nvidia business is absolute madness. Please point me to the debian way to use 3d on my expensive video card. |
| 14:42.53 | wols_ | !nvidia one-liner |
| 14:42.53 | dpkg | nvidia one-liner is, like, apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
| 14:42.54 | PerfDave | guzu: Which one from Debian? |
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| 14:43.34 | Sebboh | Post etch? eh. :/ |
| 14:43.36 | guzu | PerfDave, 4.0 i386 if i understand your question |
| 14:43.51 | PerfDave | guzu: Thank you. |
| 14:44.11 | guzu | PerfDave, no, i thank you :) |
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| 14:44.44 | Sebboh | ?! I've already done all of the steps dpkg recommends, just in the wrong order. sigh thanks. |
| 14:44.50 | quitte_ | hi. how can i configure /dev/console to use a tty i specified? |
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| 14:45.58 | LinuxHelp | How does one change the xdm desktop from xfce to openbox |
| 14:46.01 | PerfDave | quitte_: Is "man 4 console" any use? I thought that /dev/console was a "magic" device which always referred to the current tty/pty |
| 14:46.02 | LinuxHelp | ? |
| 14:46.31 | guzu | wols i use rediris.es and it works, post-install |
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| 14:47.42 | jelly-home | LinuxHelp: I don't know about xdm, but in kdm or gdm you can choose the session type |
| 14:47.51 | quitte_ | PerfDave: im playing with aproprietary embedded device. where such a stupid but essential proprietarymodule completely steals my console |
| 14:48.06 | LinuxHelp | jelly-home, yeah there are no options on the xdm screen you see |
| 14:48.06 | xoz | LinuxHelp: ~/.xsession |
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| 14:48.40 | xoz | !xsession |
| 14:48.41 | dpkg | from memory, xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
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| 14:49.51 | jelly-home | LinuxHelp: why not install a xdm replacement, like wdm? |
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| 14:50.42 | xoz | xdm is perfectly fine |
| 14:51.13 | jelly-home | xoz: apparently there's no session/wm chooser |
| 14:51.34 | DawnLight | PerfDave: progress with the printer? |
| 14:51.48 | LinuxHelp | I'll try out wdm now |
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| 14:52.18 | PerfDave | DawnLight: None, though I've found another couple of scarcely-read fora to spam. |
| 14:52.19 | CyberRanger | Hi |
| 14:52.26 | CyberRanger | http://www.sevgimnet.com/sohbet.html /server irc.sevgimnet.com http://www.sevgimnet.com/sohbet.html /server irc.sevgimnet.com http://www.sevgimnet.com/sohbet.html /server irc.sevgimnet.com http://www.sevgimnet.com/sohbet.html /server irc.sevgimnet.com http://www.sevgimnet.com/sohbet.html /server irc.sevgimnet.com |
| 14:52.28 | kimda | Hi |
| 14:52.28 | CyberRanger | Hi |
| 14:52.32 | CyberRanger | http://www.sevgimnet.com/sohbet.html /server irc.sevgimnet.com http://www.sevgimnet.com/sohbet.html /server irc.sevgimnet.com http://www.sevgimnet.com/sohbet.html /server irc.sevgimnet.com http://www.sevgimnet.com/sohbet.html /server irc.sevgimnet.com http://www.sevgimnet.com/sohbet.html /server irc.sevgimnet.com |
| 14:52.33 | CyberRanger | http://www.sevgimnet.com/sohbet.html /server irc.sevgimnet.com http://www.sevgimnet.com/sohbet.html /server irc.sevgimnet.com http://www.sevgimnet.com/sohbet.html /server irc.sevgimnet.com http://www.sevgimnet.com/sohbet.html /server irc.sevgimnet.com http://www.sevgimnet.com/sohbet.html /server irc.sevgimnet.com |
| 14:52.37 | CyberRanger | come on |
| 14:52.44 | PerfDave | /ignore -time 3600 CyberRanger |
| 14:52.45 | xoz | !ops CyberRanger is spamming |
| 14:52.45 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: xoz complains about: CyberRanger is spamming |
| 14:52.56 | RichiH | thanks |
| 14:52.59 | kimda | i've replaced two ide disks in an 3ware raid array. now i am trying to get the data off one off the disks without the 3ware card. it says it cannot find any partitions. is there a way that i can the data off the old disk without the 3ware card? |
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| 14:54.09 | darrh00 | How to view the content of the file /boot/initrd.img-2.6.20-1-686?why can not I mount it using -0 loop? |
| 14:54.24 | h3sp4wn | darrh00: uncompress with cpio |
| 14:54.25 | PerfDave | DawnLight: I've never had this much difficulty trying to get help with something before. |
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| 14:54.57 | h3sp4wn | darrh00: gunzip < initrd.img-2.6.20-1-686 | cpio -i --make-directories |
| 14:54.58 | tarzeau | darrh00: what says file /boot/initrd.img-2.6.20-1-686 ? |
| 14:56.38 | jel | PerfDave: you're having printer troubles? |
| 14:56.50 | DawnLight | PerfDave: what about the right packages? are they installed? |
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| 14:57.14 | ribnitz | heyas there. |
| 14:58.02 | ribnitz | How do you recover a JFS filesystem (on LVM) if both copies of the superblock of that FS are corrupt? |
| 14:58.15 | darrh00 | h3sp4wn:thanks,that works!I have read "info cpio" for almost half an hour but to no avail,just don't know how to use cpio. |
| 14:58.53 | vanksi | why isn't this 'sed s/.//' stripping dots? |
| 14:59.07 | PerfDave | DawnLight: Which packages did you mean? I've got CUPS installed, I can use the web interface, upload the PPD for the printer etc. |
| 14:59.14 | ribnitz | vanksi: dot might be a special char. |
| 14:59.32 | PerfDave | jel: Yes, my Samsung ML-2550 isn't happy on my Etch box - see http://community.livejournal.com/debian/320205.html for details |
| 14:59.49 | jelly-home | vanksi: you just told it to strip a single character, not a literal dot. "." has special meaning in regular expression, so one has to esacpe it: \. |
| 14:59.57 | PerfDave | vanksi: sed 's/\.//' |
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| 15:00.09 | DawnLight | PerfDave: hmm... what about the driver, where did you get it from? |
| 15:00.11 | robz | <RichiH> 50 West Loop South - Suite 500, Bellaire, Texas, 77401. Thanks!;/kline_proper 5000 $T Please direct all correspondence to Elyssa M. Schnurr - Law Offices of Elyssa |
| 15:00.12 | robz | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:00.14 | robz | think twice before you sponsor such people and their strange philosophy: IRC is a priviledge. we ban you whenever we feel like it! |
| 15:00.41 | jelly-home | robz: well, of course |
| 15:01.12 | ribnitz | robz: Lawyers makeing money on IRC.. |
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| 15:01.20 | xand | what does that have to do with debian? |
| 15:01.25 | robz | a lot |
| 15:01.28 | robz | just open your eyes |
| 15:01.32 | PerfDave | DawnLight: I've used the manufacturer-supplied PPD from their driver CD, and the LinuxPrinting.org-provided one from http://openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Samsung-ML-2550 |
| 15:01.57 | PerfDave | DawnLight: I've had the same error with both of them. |
| 15:02.16 | Sebboh | I have gcc 4.1.2.. how can I rollback to 4.1.1? |
| 15:02.17 | tarzeau | ribnitz: hey riby! |
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| 15:02.41 | vanksi | thanks guys |
| 15:02.43 | tarzeau | Sebboh: debian is not a database |
| 15:02.52 | Sebboh | ;P |
| 15:02.54 | tarzeau | Sebboh: you can install the older gcc deb packages using dpkg |
| 15:03.00 | jelly-home | PerfDave: I suspect a more general cups <-> usb issue |
| 15:03.04 | xoz | PerfDave: http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Samsung-ML-2552W |
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| 15:03.21 | tarzeau | Sebboh: downgrades aren't supported |
| 15:03.47 | PerfDave | jelly-home: Could be. I can print text to the printer using "cat file > /dev/usb/lp0" |
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| 15:04.16 | jelly-home | PerfDave: hm, try newer/older cups? :-) |
| 15:04.22 | roland | make[1]: *** No rule to make target `lookups/lookups.a', needed by `exim'. Stop. |
| 15:04.22 | roland | make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/pkgs/mail/exim-4.67/build-Linux-pentium4' |
| 15:04.22 | roland | make: *** [go] Error 2 |
| 15:04.27 | roland | pls |
| 15:04.28 | xand | !paste |
| 15:04.28 | dpkg | well, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC or if those are not working, ask me about <pastebin> for other options |
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| 15:04.39 | asg | roland: ask #exim |
| 15:04.53 | Sebboh | tarzeau: can I use something like apt-get install gcc/4.1.1 ? Isn't that what the / notation is for? |
| 15:04.55 | PerfDave | jelly-home: I'm using the one in Etch. |
| 15:04.58 | xand | roland: apt-get install exim4 |
| 15:05.04 | PerfDave | xoz: What about it? I'm not using a 64-bit system. |
| 15:05.09 | tarzeau | Sebboh: i never heard of that notation, try it if it works you can |
| 15:05.22 | jelly-home | Sebboh: you can do apt-get install foo/distro-release or apt-get install foo=version |
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| 15:05.24 | Sebboh | looking up the right version string.... |
| 15:05.25 | tarzeau | Sebboh: you can certainly use apt-get moo |
| 15:05.31 | dererk | Have any of you experimented Icedove crashing a minute after starting, since last update? |
| 15:05.43 | tarzeau | dererk: was icedove open while you upgraded? |
| 15:05.53 | Sebboh | = ? ahhh! |
| 15:05.56 | tarzeau | open as in running |
| 15:05.57 | dererk | I certainly don't know |
| 15:06.01 | jel | PerfDave: this IS a problem with etch's cups and USB. I ran into it a while back. I think I had to modify cups's config to use a new usb path format, matching the output of lsusb or something like that. I'll check further now. |
| 15:06.04 | Sebboh | thanks jelly, tarzeau. |
| 15:06.09 | dererk | But, I think It could be possible |
| 15:06.17 | tarzeau | dererk: then it's possible it crashes also |
| 15:06.17 | jelly-home | Sebboh: also, you really shouldn't use unstable until you're well versed with packaging utilities and fixing problems, but you probably already know that |
| 15:06.19 | PerfDave | jel: Thanks. |
| 15:06.21 | dererk | tarzeau, why? |
| 15:06.23 | xoz | PerfDave: what about the steps there? |
| 15:06.33 | tarzeau | dererk: because it partly reloads stuff (code), and when that changes it's possible it just crashes |
| 15:06.37 | tarzeau | dererk: crap software? |
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| 15:06.39 | hjustice | <RichiH> 50 West Loop South - Suite 500, Bellaire, Texas, 77401. Thanks!;/kline_proper 5000 $T Please direct all correspondence to Elyssa M. Schnurr - Law Offices of Elyssa |
| 15:06.42 | hjustice | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:06.45 | hjustice | think twice before you sponsor such people and their strange philosophy: IRC is a priviledge. we ban you whenever we feel like it! |
| 15:06.47 | tarzeau | dererk: look mozilla is a huge monster of ugly code |
| 15:06.54 | tarzeau | dererk: why should it not crash? |
| 15:07.01 | jelly-home | !ops hjustice is spamming |
| 15:07.01 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jelly-home complains about: hjustice is spamming |
| 15:07.01 | PerfDave | xoz: Which steps? The comments there refer to problems with paper trays. |
| 15:07.10 | tarzeau | dererk: no extra care was taken it doesn't crash. can anyone die if that piece of shit browser crashes? |
| 15:07.16 | dererk | tarzeau, No no, I asked "Why" refering to your first question |
| 15:07.26 | dererk | I understand why software crashes :P |
| 15:07.32 | kimda | is there a way to restore a disk which was in a 3ware array without the card? |
| 15:07.39 | tarzeau | dererk: because it does funny things |
| 15:07.42 | Sebboh | jelly-home: I become closer to well versed every day, of course. Hmm, the version I want isn't in the repos. |
| 15:07.46 | tarzeau | dererk: do you know how mozilla works? |
| 15:07.56 | tarzeau | dererk: it's "rendering engine" own language shit? |
| 15:07.58 | asg | kimda: restore from backups? |
| 15:08.17 | tarzeau | dererk: go figure why the scrollbar can only be on the right side, and always look ugly (as in inconsistent) |
| 15:08.23 | dererk | tarzeau, not at all :\ |
| 15:08.23 | dererk | tarzeau, do you think in any posibility for me to repare/fix this? |
| 15:08.29 | tarzeau | dererk: no wonder apple didn't take it for their system |
| 15:08.41 | tarzeau | dererk: impossible, nobody can fix a huge mess of code |
| 15:08.44 | jelly-home | Sebboh: apt-cache policy foo should give you all the versions available using your current sources.list |
| 15:08.44 | kimda | asg: yes. i have backups but there are still stuff on it which i want to get off. |
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| 15:08.50 | dererk | :( |
| 15:08.57 | dererk | tarzeau, Any possible solution? |
| 15:09.04 | tarzeau | dererk: you could use links2 -g , a browser that doesn't crash |
| 15:09.14 | asg | kimda: I'd be very surprised if you could. I'm sure the algorithms that 3ware uses for hardware raid are not publicly avaialble. |
| 15:09.15 | dererk | hehe |
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| 15:09.35 | kimda | asg: :( |
| 15:09.39 | guzu | how do i disable dma for ide at boot time? |
| 15:09.52 | tarzeau | guzu: nodma maybe, check the linux kernel Documentation ? |
| 15:10.08 | asg | guzu: man 7 bootparam |
| 15:10.15 | talisker | Does anyone know a guide that explains how to easily run a very minimalist web server? I need it to hold a single webpage |
| 15:10.16 | jelly-home | kimda: use another 3ware card? |
| 15:10.20 | Sebboh | jelly, I forgot that I already added testing. Btw, tarzeau, apt has at least heard of concept of downgrading... "The following packages will be DOWNGRADED:\n gcc" |
| 15:10.33 | tarzeau | talisker: apt-get install thttpd |
| 15:10.37 | guzu | tarzeau, asg thnx |
| 15:10.42 | kimda | jelly-home: unfortunately i do not have another |
| 15:10.49 | tarzeau | Sebboh: it's not supported |
| 15:10.56 | kimda | i was hoping to get it off without the card... :S |
| 15:11.12 | tkr_ | hola |
| 15:11.24 | Sebboh | ... it's not downgrading the rest of the GCC family, I noticed that. :/ |
| 15:11.42 | PerfDave | jel: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=383091 looks... interesting. I'll try purging and reinstalling since that worked for someone. |
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| 15:12.32 | jelly-home | kimda: sounds like a single point of failure to me... |
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| 15:13.05 | PerfDave | Hmm. "apt-get --purge remove" will purge the package plus anything which depends on it. "aptitude purge" purges the named package, but just removes the dependents. |
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| 15:14.36 | kimda | thanks guys for your input. i will restore the backups i made. |
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| 15:14.49 | tarzeau | !backups |
| 15:14.49 | dpkg | I don't need no steenkin backups However, I'm sure at least two other mes in parallel dimensions do, so I'm probably good to go. Hopefully the other mes in the other dimensions aren't counting on me to keep backups. Those idiots. <SlayerXP> there are two types of people in this world, those who take my advice regarding RAID and backups, and those who cry when they lose their data |
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| 15:15.50 | redax | hi. |
| 15:16.01 | talisker | tarzeau, where's the webserver directory? It's not mentioned in the man page for some reason |
| 15:16.14 | tarzeau | talisker: /var/www |
| 15:16.29 | talisker | thanks |
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| 15:16.45 | PerfDave | jel: Oh, FFS, purging and reinstalling seems to have fixed it :) |
| 15:16.54 | talisker | last one before I go looking for a howto... where can I define another directory? |
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| 15:17.43 | PerfDave | talisker: in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/* |
| 15:17.45 | jel | PerfDave: Yeah, I guess it was just keeping old config. I had to change /etc/cups/printers.conf from "DeviceURI usb://Lexmark International/Lexmark T520" to "DeviceURI usb://Lexmark/T520". |
| 15:17.48 | abhi | when i log into kde fonts of applications of gnome changed and vice versa. help |
| 15:17.56 | talisker | thanks |
| 15:18.01 | asg | talisker: the apache-doc package should help also |
| 15:18.07 | PerfDave | jel: I don't know about keeping old configs - I didn't dist-upgrade cups. |
| 15:18.13 | talisker | asg thx |
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| 15:18.41 | redax | please help, how to turn off the default UTF8 stuff in etch? is it enought to set /etc/default/locale: LANG="en_US" ? |
| 15:18.54 | asg | redax: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 15:19.59 | PerfDave | redax: What problem is the UTF-8 giving you OOI? |
| 15:20.00 | tarzeau | !OOI |
| 15:20.00 | jel | PerfDave: yeah, it's some sort of bug I think. Even deleting and re-adding the printer seemed to keep the old config, but changing that line sorted it out straight away. |
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| 15:20.00 | redax | PerfDave: loggin in from openbsd ;-) |
| 15:20.00 | asg | tarzeau: out of interest |
| 15:20.19 | PerfDave | jel: Hmm, my /etc/cups/printers.conf now has DeviceURI usb://Samsung/ML-2550 which is exactly what it had when I was having problems. I'll diff the configs and check what's changed. |
| 15:20.28 | redax | asg: thanks. |
| 15:20.37 | PerfDave | # Printer configuration file for CUPS v1.2.7 |
| 15:20.37 | PerfDave | # Written by cupsd on 2007-04-25 19:46 |
| 15:20.38 | PerfDave | <Printer Samsung> |
| 15:20.38 | PerfDave | Info Samsung ML-2550 Mono Duplex Laser |
| 15:20.38 | PerfDave | Location Next to Tandoor |
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| 15:20.49 | PerfDave | Oops, wrong konsole! Sorry! |
| 15:21.02 | jelly-home | next to Tandoor? :-) |
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| 15:21.36 | PerfDave | jelly-home: tandoor is my desktop, dhansak is my laptop, jalfrezi is my firewall :) |
| 15:21.40 | xoz | PerfDave: tried this? http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/OpenPrinting/Database/LPDDocumentation |
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| 15:22.08 | liable | funky names |
| 15:22.19 | jel | PerfDave: Ohh, OK. That's strange. Let me know what you find out :) |
| 15:22.22 | PerfDave | liable: Taken from the menu for my local curry house :) |
| 15:24.14 | PerfDave | jel: OK, there's no noticable difference in printers.conf |
| 15:24.14 | liable | PerfDave: excellent! :) |
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| 15:24.15 | redax | may I have an other question. temporary I need mysql-4.1 for a specific project. but seems like etch has mysql-5. |
| 15:24.15 | redax | how can I force to have mysql-4.1 |
| 15:24.15 | PerfDave | xoz: Thanks to jel and http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=383091 I've got it working by purging and reinstalling. |
| 15:24.15 | elfens | i am horny. i could do this (proxy) thing for hours! *BOOM* *BOOM* *BOOM* *BOOM* *BOOM* *BOOM* *BOOM* *BOOM* *BOOM* *BOOM* *BOOM* *BOOM* *BOOM* *BOOM* *BOOM* |
| 15:24.15 | liable | oh, really.. |
| 15:24.15 | asg | redax: there is no 4.1 in etch. You will likely need to run sarge (though you could run a sarge chroot in etch) Beware though, security updates for sarge will not be around for more than a year or so. |
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| 15:25.16 | redax | asg: too bad. I tried to fore-port ;) the sarge source |
| 15:25.18 | tarzeau | anybody play bub-n-bros.sf.net now? |
| 15:25.20 | jel | PerfDave: ahh, after reading the bug report, it's quite a different problem with similar symptoms. Glad you got it sorted though :) |
| 15:25.26 | redax | but had serious name-confict (dependency) |
| 15:25.38 | PerfDave | jel: Yeah, I've been trying for a *month* to get that working. |
| 15:25.46 | redax | if I change the names of the source package that would help me ? |
| 15:25.46 | xoz | PerfDave: ah, purge and reinstall seems to be the typical step for troubleshooting. |
| 15:26.02 | jelly-home | xoz: unfortunately |
| 15:26.16 | PerfDave | redax: One option might be to grab the upstream MySQL 4.1 source and compile it into /usr/local so it won't interfere with your apt-installed 5.0 |
| 15:26.17 | xoz | PerfDave: i thought you said this is the first printer, so never thought you have old configs |
| 15:26.26 | jel | PerfDave: I know the feeling. I just spent hours fighting with django to make its template system tell me the value of a variable :) |
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| 15:26.45 | PerfDave | xoz: I don't know why I would have old configs. I didn't have CUPS installed before buying this printer. |
| 15:27.14 | redax | PerfDave: yah. sounds better than hacking 4.1 debs. |
| 15:27.21 | xoz | PerfDave: yep. that's why purge and reinstall never came accross in the suggestions. |
| 15:27.22 | redax | PerfDave: thanks, will do |
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| 15:28.04 | PerfDave | OK, printing from Konqui works, now to check OOo |
| 15:28.21 | xoz | PerfDave: or maybe because of update in CUPS. are they the same version? |
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| 15:28.59 | Sebboh | by the way, when compiling the nvidia kernel module the debian way, "failed to determine PATCHLEVEL" means, "can't find some kernel header files, even though the right packages are installed, because you deleted some stuff, apparently" |
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| 15:29.23 | Sebboh | Add that to the oneliner. =P |
| 15:29.30 | x_link | DawnLight: Np. =) |
| 15:29.32 | PerfDave | xoz: Unless CUPS has been upgraded since Etch released... |
| 15:29.53 | PerfDave | Sebboh: Why not just add "don't delete random stuff" to the factoid? ;) |
| 15:29.54 | xoz | PerfDave: yep. that is the logical explanation. |
| 15:30.24 | Sebboh | it was source files, who needs those? =) |
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| 15:31.45 | PerfDave | Sebboh: When compiling stuff? |
| 15:31.55 | Sebboh | shush |
| 15:32.07 | x_link | Damn it |
| 15:32.13 | diepes | bogus |
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| 15:32.25 | x_link | Do I have to reboot when I change from "testing" to "sid" in my sources.list? |
| 15:32.46 | jel | x_link: nope |
| 15:32.54 | h3sp4wn | x_link: No (unless you want to loads sid's 2.6.20) |
| 15:33.01 | redax | thanks for the help |
| 15:33.02 | redax | see you |
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| 15:33.12 | schme | x_link: all you need is aptitude update :) |
| 15:33.27 | Sebboh | For some reason I failed to tell the difference between installing a source pakage and installing the source of a package... I mean, if you do apt-get source foo, and then delete the results.. that's not going to break anything, right? Source like that is stateless, right? I mean, you don't install it, it's just downloaded.. If I understand correctly.. |
| 15:33.33 | asg | x_link: /msg dpkg sid faq |
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| 15:33.42 | jel | x_link: yep, you need to update your list of packages, is all. aptitude update, or hit update in synaptic, or whatever |
| 15:33.56 | x_link | I changed to "sid" then I have done sudo aptitude update, sudo aptitude upgrade and now I'm doing sudo aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 15:34.10 | jel | Sebboh: yep |
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| 15:34.58 | Sebboh | Yeah can't imagine why I failed to grasp that obvious difference between source packages and source of packages. ;) |
| 15:35.02 | ManuP | how do i install ghostscript? |
| 15:35.05 | x_link | jel: Okej. |
| 15:35.09 | Sebboh | apt-get install gs maybe |
| 15:35.28 | ManuP | Sebboh, ah, thanks |
| 15:35.29 | Sebboh | erm, apt-cache search ghostscript |
| 15:35.39 | ManuP | i searched for the full name only |
| 15:35.39 | Sebboh | will reveal the correct name of the package |
| 15:35.58 | Sebboh | Really? Then you'll be happy to learn about apt-cache search. ;) |
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| 15:36.17 | f_B_I | alquem ae ? |
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| 15:36.54 | cusco | oi f_B_I |
| 15:38.05 | f_B_I | cusco sabe quem e admin aque na rede ? |
| 15:38.23 | cusco | !pt |
| 15:38.23 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 15:38.46 | cusco | network admin would be lilo |
| 15:39.03 | Sebboh | .. uh |
| 15:39.15 | f_B_I | xD |
| 15:39.21 | cusco | f_B_I: http://freenode.org |
| 15:40.00 | Sebboh | cusco: I'm afraid that lilo passed away some time ago |
| 15:40.16 | cusco | ?! |
| 15:40.17 | roland | no |
| 15:40.24 | roland | lilo works now and will work in 10 years |
| 15:40.41 | Sebboh | http://freenode.net/news-2006-09-16.shtml |
| 15:40.44 | cusco | some dude passed away, I remember. that wasn't lilo |
| 15:40.56 | JoshH | ya it was |
| 15:41.00 | cusco | ouch |
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| 15:41.11 | Sebboh | Well raise your glass in any case. =) |
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| 15:41.21 | roland | why did he die? |
| 15:41.28 | JoshH | click the link |
| 15:41.28 | Sebboh | read the damned press release |
| 15:41.32 | jelly-home | roland: rtf link |
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| 15:43.00 | LinuxHelp | Which mpeg-2 decoding program has the best de-interlacer? |
| 15:43.08 | tarzeau | LinuxHelp: audio only? |
| 15:43.16 | LinuxHelp | For video I mean |
| 15:43.21 | LinuxHelp | I'm currently using vlc |
| 15:43.43 | LinuxHelp | But it's de-interlacer doesn't look that good |
| 15:43.52 | jelly-home | LinuxHelp: none of them do? |
| 15:44.10 | jelly-home | LinuxHelp: I mean, none of the options in vlc are satisfactory? |
| 15:44.45 | LinuxHelp | jelly-home, well performance wise I could only get "Disable" and "Discard" working, and they both look quit bad |
| 15:44.52 | Sebboh | when I do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, it auto-fills in values that are from last year.. I've changed video cards since then.. it's specifying values that correspond to a card that I don't have any more. How can I make it, like, auto-probe? |
| 15:45.13 | LinuxHelp | I'm gonna try the other ones again with 1200 mhz quickly |
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| 15:45.30 | jelly-home | LinuxHelp: ah, you have a slow machine? |
| 15:45.31 | tarzeau | LinuxHelp: like mplayer? |
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| 15:48.41 | ccct | hi all |
| 15:48.43 | x_link | I just changed everything in my repo from "testing" to "sid" |
| 15:48.51 | LinuxHelp | Okay, so "X" deinterlace mode looks the best, but I can't get a decent framerate on my 500mhz |
| 15:48.55 | x_link | But when I do "cat /etc/debian_version" it says lenny/sid |
| 15:48.55 | SoftIce | hi, what free control panels would 1 recomend in a hosting network, something like cpanel or plesk, i've looked at webcp, and ispconfig |
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| 15:49.28 | LinuxHelp | What exactly does the "X" mean? |
| 15:49.41 | jel | SoftIce: none; they're all crap, sadly. |
| 15:49.46 | citral | it's to deinterlace pr0n |
| 15:50.59 | x_link | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20506/ |
| 15:51.07 | LinuxHelp | I just thought that, maybe some players would have better deinterlacers than others |
| 15:51.32 | x_link | That's how my sources.list looks, change it from "testing" to "sid. But it still says "lenny/sid" when I do "cat /etc/debian_version" |
| 15:51.36 | x_link | Can somebody please help me? |
| 15:51.38 | LinuxHelp | tarzeau Is mplayer's one better? |
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| 15:51.44 | citral | LinuxHelp: not really, there are cheap and heavy deinterlacing methods |
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| 15:52.29 | mutante | i think i remember having used a command "rl" to get a random line out of a text file on bash before, but on this debian box it doesnt exist. Do you happen to know it ? cant seem to find the package |
| 15:52.55 | citral | LinuxHelp: for example, linearblend uses more cpu than bob |
| 15:53.09 | tarzeau | LinuxHelp: i like mplayer better than vlc |
| 15:53.25 | LinuxHelp | tarzeau, because of performance, or for other reasons? |
| 15:53.31 | tarzeau | LinuxHelp: but then if you ask me firefox is the worst browser too |
| 15:53.39 | tarzeau | LinuxHelp: because i hate gtk |
| 15:53.40 | LinuxHelp | I agree |
| 15:54.00 | x_link | tarzeau: Can you help me a bit, please? |
| 15:54.01 | tarzeau | except maybe hotjava, this is really the worst ever browser |
| 15:54.01 | hark | mutante: randomize-lines |
| 15:54.03 | mutante | randomize-lines , got it |
| 15:54.06 | mutante | ah;) heh |
| 15:54.16 | hark | x_link: there's nothing wrong with that |
| 15:54.21 | tarzeau | x_link: so you have sid now, what's the problem? |
| 15:54.31 | x_link | Do I really have sid? |
| 15:54.42 | x_link | Why does cat /etc/debian_version say lenny/sid? |
| 15:54.43 | tarzeau | x_link: did you successfully run apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 15:54.51 | tarzeau | x_link: it always says that in testing/unstable |
| 15:54.51 | citral | LinuxHelp: anyway mplayer compiled for your cpu is the best at cpu consumption, I can watch divx on a 366MHz ibook |
| 15:54.58 | x_link | I did sudo aptitude update, sudo aptitude upgrade and sudo aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 15:55.05 | x_link | tarzeau: Ohh okey |
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| 15:55.32 | x_link | tarzeau: Ahhh now I looked in Help --> About KDE. And the version number is KDE 3.5.6. 3.5.6 is only in Sid, so it's right. |
| 15:55.33 | LinuxHelp | citral, I have an Amd Duron 500mhz |
| 15:55.35 | x_link | Thanks for your help. |
| 15:55.43 | hon | wine wraps windows api. is there a similar wrapper for osx software? |
| 15:55.45 | LinuxHelp | citral, you mean I would benefit from compiling from source? |
| 15:55.49 | tarzeau | x_link: wow and kde wasn't broken? |
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| 15:55.58 | tarzeau | x_link: isn't kde 4 like out soon? |
| 15:55.59 | x_link | When? |
| 15:56.05 | tarzeau | x_link: now, in sid |
| 15:56.05 | SoftIce | jel: got disc, can you think of any? |
| 15:56.06 | x_link | tarzeau: Maybe, I don't know. |
| 15:56.13 | jelly-home | LinuxHelp: for that machine, it might be worthwhile to try compiling a custom mplayer binary |
| 15:56.13 | x_link | tarzeau: Well KDE is working for me now. |
| 15:56.16 | tarzeau | x_link: must be your lucky day :) |
| 15:56.16 | PerfDave | tarzeau: KDE 4 betas are in Experimental IIRC |
| 15:56.20 | x_link | tarzeau: Why should KDE 3.5.6 be broken? |
| 15:56.23 | tarzeau | PerfDave: cool |
| 15:56.24 | x_link | tarzeau: hhehe |
| 15:56.26 | jel | x_link: I can't imagine what else it would say, as lenny is fairly new, and sid doesn't have another name apart from unstable. |
| 15:56.27 | SoftIce | tarzeau: heh, thanks for your great script it worked nicely :) oh, and the extra bit of help you did for me! |
| 15:56.30 | tarzeau | x_link: i mean the dependencies in sid |
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| 15:56.34 | tarzeau | x_link: not the software itself |
| 15:56.39 | hon | kde4 is not usable yet |
| 15:56.41 | asarch | Hi everyone, how is it getting along? |
| 15:56.44 | tarzeau | SoftIce: ubuntu/uncurse ? |
| 15:56.45 | x_link | jel: I thought it would only say Sid. |
| 15:56.45 | asarch | How's the weather? |
| 15:56.47 | jelly-home | PerfDave: umm... isn't kde4 in alpha (or are you referring to _package_ betas) |
| 15:56.52 | LinuxHelp | jelly-home, never (successfully) done that before, do I just install the source packages and then build? |
| 15:56.58 | citral | LinuxHelp: apt-get build-dep mplayer; apt-get source --build mplayer ;) |
| 15:57.23 | SoftIce | tarzeau: ye |
| 15:57.24 | asarch | Is there any way to speed up Etch? |
| 15:57.35 | PerfDave | jelly-home: Not sure, I don't pay much attention to debian-kde :) |
| 15:57.39 | PerfDave | asarch: Buy a faster computer |
| 15:57.43 | jel | asarch: many. |
| 15:57.43 | PerfDave | asarch: What "speed up" do you mean? |
| 15:57.50 | hon | or appropriate kernel maybe |
| 15:57.51 | LinuxHelp | citral, I find that X shares some of my cpu usage |
| 15:58.03 | asarch | PerfDave: It is tooo slow |
| 15:58.10 | PerfDave | asarch: What is too slow? |
| 15:58.13 | asarch | PerfDave: It looks like Windows with a lot of worms |
| 15:58.17 | hon | is your kernel lower than your hardware? |
| 15:58.20 | LinuxHelp | citral, does this mean I've configured something wrong? Or must I rebuild X too? |
| 15:58.26 | PerfDave | !tell asarch about smart questions |
| 15:58.36 | feral | im having a problem with my audio, my card (hda-intel realtek chipset) is recognized, but im not getting any audio to my speakers. any ideas? |
| 15:58.44 | hon | maybe his kernel is generic? |
| 15:59.01 | Hoxzer | does somebody know repo that has freenx 0.6.0 ? |
| 15:59.04 | jelly-home | LinuxHelp: I haven't done it in a long time, so I'm not sure what would be the best method. I'd try adding debian-multimedia deb-src to sources.list, doing apt-get build-dep mplayer, apt-get source mplayer, then see what's the way to build the "mplayer-custom" package |
| 15:59.12 | PerfDave | feral: Have you run alsamixer to make sure that the volumes are up and non-muted? |
| 15:59.22 | x_link | The experimental repo, isn't that the sid repo? |
| 15:59.32 | PerfDave | x_link: No |
| 15:59.36 | PerfDave | !experimental |
| 15:59.36 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. for an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 15:59.47 | jelly-home | asarch: first try a leaner desktop environment |
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| 15:59.57 | feral | perfdave yes i have |
| 16:00.01 | jelly-home | asarch: which DE are you using? |
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| 16:00.12 | asarch | jelly-home: GNOME |
| 16:00.12 | x_link | PerfDave: Okej. |
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| 16:00.29 | jelly-home | asarch: try XFCE or even a simple window manager like fluxbox |
| 16:00.41 | jelly-home | asarch: cpu, memory? |
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| 16:01.19 | x_link | Now when I changed to Sid, shouldn't the kernel change too? |
| 16:01.30 | xand | no |
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| 16:01.35 | PerfDave | x_link: Not necessarily |
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| 16:01.38 | x_link | PerfDave: Okej. |
| 16:01.50 | x_link | Now I will see if Beryl will start, the last time I changed to Sid it didnät |
| 16:01.53 | x_link | didn't |
| 16:02.18 | jelly-home | asarch: to be honest I find even XFCE somewhat sluggish, esp. in low memory conditions (less than say 256 or 512MB) |
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| 16:02.26 | jel | x_link: it depends on how close testing's kernel is to sid's at the time, and what kernel you had selected, etc. |
| 16:02.29 | RA3OR | hmm, i dont have mysql installed on my debian, i have apache with php support, i need to connect (from a forum script) to a mysql db which is on another server (with mysql installed); what do i need to apt-get install ? |
| 16:02.49 | x_link | jel: Okej. |
| 16:02.58 | Wyzard | RA3OR: php5-mysql |
| 16:03.01 | schme | Okej? |
| 16:03.18 | PerfDave | x_link: If you have a package like linux-image-2.6-686 installed, then you will automatically install new kernels as dependencies of that package. |
| 16:03.20 | Wyzard | RA3OR: The client doesn't care whether the database is local or remote |
| 16:03.27 | jelly-home | RA3OR: mysql support for the installed version of php ... php5-mysql most probably, or maybe php4-mysql |
| 16:03.42 | asarch | jelly-home: Linux lucy 2.6.18-4-686 #1 SMP Wed Apr 18 09:55:10 UTC 2007 i686 |
| 16:04.13 | jelly-home | asarch: that doesn't say anything about your cpu or memory size? |
| 16:04.23 | jel | jelly-home: don't tell him to downgrade his desktop if he can't identify the problem he's having. He probably needs more memory or better video drivers, or something. |
| 16:04.27 | RA3OR | i just need my scripts to be able to connect to the remote mysql db, not run it in localhost |
| 16:04.32 | asarch | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:04.34 | LinuxHelp | asarch: free -m |
| 16:04.44 | Wyzard | RA3OR: That's what php5-mysql is for |
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| 16:04.50 | jel | jelly-home: oh, you're addressing that now, sorry. |
| 16:04.51 | jelly-home | jel: Gnome and KDE are known memory hogs. |
| 16:05.01 | Wyzard | RA3OR: It's the mysql client for php, for connecting to mysql databases |
| 16:05.01 | RA3OR | Wyzard: how do i check if its installed ? |
| 16:05.07 | tarzeau | jelly-home: and openoffice and mozilla |
| 16:05.10 | PerfDave | jel: This is why I asked asarch to give a more sensible definition of "too slow" :/ |
| 16:05.11 | RA3OR | Wyzard: ty |
| 16:05.15 | feral | any ideas about my audio problem? |
| 16:05.16 | jel | jelly-home: yep, but they also have functional reasons for that. |
| 16:05.23 | jel | PerfDave: yep |
| 16:05.24 | tarzeau | jel: huh? |
| 16:05.25 | jelly-home | tarzeau: yeah, but they don't need to run all the time |
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| 16:05.35 | xand | TOO MUCH jel(ly)! |
| 16:05.51 | tarzeau | jel: there's other software achiving the same with less than half of what those memory monsters do |
| 16:05.54 | jelly-home | jel: IMHO they just have too many layers of cruft -- Windows does it better |
| 16:06.29 | PerfDave | Yes, Windows doesn't have nay cruft or redundancy or multiple copies of the same DLL all oer the system or anything ;) |
| 16:06.35 | tarzeau | jelly-home: ack! |
| 16:06.43 | jel | tarzeau: other software? KDE and GNOME are integrated desktops. The only thing to compare them with is other desktops with the same range of apps with the same look, feel, clipboard sharing, filesystem layers, etc. |
| 16:06.49 | tarzeau | PerfDave: but gnome and kde aren't any better |
| 16:06.58 | tarzeau | jel: say OPENSTEP.. |
| 16:07.06 | tarzeau | jel: that's at least consistently integrated |
| 16:07.12 | PerfDave | tarzeau: KDE runs more nicely on lower-spec hardware than Windows does, and is more configurable. |
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| 16:07.31 | jelly-home | asarch: I think there's no need to paste much stuff yet, just report which cpu (and possibly its speed) and how much memory you have |
| 16:07.38 | PerfDave | Oh, wait, it's tarzeau talking shit about KDE, there's no point even trying to argue ;0 |
| 16:07.47 | tarzeau | PerfDave: heh :) exactly |
| 16:07.52 | jelly-home | PerfDave: um, in my book XP performs better than KDE. |
| 16:07.55 | xand | KDE-- :) |
| 16:07.56 | jel | tarzeau: openstep isn't very functional yet, has an old look and feel (even if there's nice tech in there) and requires deamons running system-wide just to install one openstep game. It's hardly much better. |
| 16:08.09 | tarzeau | jel: yet? it is. it's not developped anymore though |
| 16:08.19 | tarzeau | jel: you mean gnustep, yes it's true not much software in it |
| 16:08.25 | PerfDave | jelly-home: Your book clearly differs from mine :) |
| 16:08.42 | tarzeau | jel: the daemons aren't required, but debian runs them (ask the maintainer to not run them) |
| 16:08.45 | jelly-home | PerfDave: I tried KDE on this 1.5GHz laptop, and went back to afterstep 1.8... using XFCE now. |
| 16:09.00 | jel | tarzeau: ahh, that's interesting. |
| 16:09.04 | tarzeau | jel: the sound server isn't used by any software imho. and for the rest... it's not run systemwide at all, only on startup |
| 16:09.17 | tarzeau | jel: i really mean the REAL openstep from the company NeXT |
| 16:09.31 | tarzeau | jel: it runs perfectly smooth and fast w/ just 32mb memory |
| 16:09.35 | jel | tarzeau: oh, OK. Never had the opportunity to play with that. |
| 16:09.35 | LinuxHelp | PerfDave, weren't P3's just the worst cpu's ever made? |
| 16:09.37 | jelly-home | PerfDave: wow :-) |
| 16:09.40 | tarzeau | jel: faster than mac os x on current hardware |
| 16:09.45 | wols_ | LinuxHelp: no |
| 16:09.49 | jelly-home | LinuxHelp: P3 are rather good |
| 16:09.52 | PerfDave | LinuxHelp: *shrug* This one's just fine in my lappy. |
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| 16:09.55 | LinuxHelp | Well |
| 16:10.05 | tarzeau | jel: check http://www.paullynch.org/NeXTSTEP/MacWorld.97.html |
| 16:10.10 | asarch | jelly-home: Here is: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20508/ |
| 16:10.15 | LinuxHelp | They certainly didn't compare to AMD's offerings at the time |
| 16:10.19 | jel | tarzeau: if we're talking about unsual desktops, amigas ran most of a GUI in 2mb of rom. BeOS was nice, too. |
| 16:10.19 | tarzeau | jel: and these http://gnu.ethz.ch/www.levenez.com/ |
| 16:10.21 | wols_ | LinuxHelp: wrong |
| 16:10.30 | tarzeau | jel: well ok :) |
| 16:10.31 | jelly-home | PerfDave: Celeron M is crippled P-M, and P-M is based on P3, right |
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| 16:10.38 | Wyzard | LinuxHelp: Maybe you're thinking of the dead-end NetBurst architecture used in the P4? |
| 16:10.44 | tarzeau | jel: openstep is still half-alive in mac os x |
| 16:10.50 | tarzeau | jel: with the other crap half of "Mac OS" |
| 16:10.55 | PerfDave | Early P4s were cral, and shat on by Athlons. |
| 16:10.59 | h3sp4wn | I thought celeron M was based on the P4-M (hence its poor powersavings) |
| 16:11.00 | PerfDave | s/cral/crap/ |
| 16:11.07 | tarzeau | apple made a frankenstein out of mac os and openstep |
| 16:11.08 | wols_ | LinuxHelp: and when the P4 had the northwood core, the AMDs sucked at that time. so even then it was (sometimes) better than AMDs offerings |
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| 16:11.33 | wols_ | h3sp4wn: P-M, not P4 based |
| 16:11.57 | jelly-home | asarch: for future reference, "cat /proc/cpuinfo" will provide more info about the processor, and "free" about memory |
| 16:12.05 | asarch | Ok |
| 16:12.27 | jelly-home | asarch: I see you have 256MB memory. I would definitely stay away from Gnome and KDE on that machine. |
| 16:12.37 | PerfDave | KDE's fine in 256MB RAM. |
| 16:12.46 | PerfDave | 128 is a bit trickier. |
| 16:12.56 | bts3685|work | fluxbox ftw |
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| 16:13.00 | LinuxHelp | model name : mobile AMD Athlon(tm) 4 Processor Oh I thought I had a duron.. |
| 16:13.00 | PerfDave | You might want to disable some of the eyecandy, perhaps. |
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| 16:13.14 | jel | PerfDave: for real multitasking use, with apps like RSS readers and IM running, you need more than that. |
| 16:13.21 | jelly-home | PerfDave: how much pain does the user have to go through to configure it to behave, starting from Debian defaults? |
| 16:13.23 | asarch | jelly-home: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20509/ |
| 16:13.23 | padd173 | How do I get the referer with PHP on Debian? $HTTP_REFERER and $HTTP_referer don't exist! :/ |
| 16:13.23 | cyzie | where do i set the buffer for history ? |
| 16:13.42 | PerfDave | jelly-home: None at all, they just move the eyecandy slider to the left on their first login :) |
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| 16:13.58 | h3sp4wn | wols_: doesn't have - clock-varying SpeedStep technology (from wikipedia) |
| 16:14.02 | simonrvn | padd173: same as any other PHP, go see #php |
| 16:14.08 | padd173 | OK |
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| 16:14.14 | PerfDave | jel: I'm running Kopete, Konqui, Konsole, Akregator, xmms and ksudoku right here on my 256Mb P3 :) |
| 16:14.32 | RA3OR | Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() in /var/www/forum.servus.ro/db/mysql4.php on line 48 |
| 16:14.35 | RA3OR | how do i solve this ? |
| 16:14.35 | jelly-home | asarch: at least it's a decent cpu. :-) Buy more memory, or use something like XFCE. :-) |
| 16:14.42 | Wyzard | padd173: Debian's PHP has register_globals turned off because it's a security risk |
| 16:14.48 | asarch | jelly-home: Ok |
| 16:14.57 | tarzeau | PerfDave: amiwm on a 48mb memory sparc classic: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/screenshots/amiwm.png |
| 16:14.58 | simonrvn | RA3OR: install php*-mysql maybe ? ;) |
| 16:15.03 | padd173 | Wyzard: aha.... I found the $_SERVER thing... I guess that should work |
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| 16:15.07 | wols_ | h3sp4wn: there are many celery-Ms. different ones |
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| 16:15.11 | asarch | About this, do I need to buy an specific module or can I a "generic" one? |
| 16:15.29 | simonrvn | register_globals is crap anyway. rewrite your code |
| 16:15.30 | padd173 | Wyzard: ok |
| 16:15.37 | RA3OR | simonrvn ? |
| 16:15.57 | jel | tarzeau: amiwm on a sparc... now there's an interesting beast :) |
| 16:16.02 | Wyzard | RA3OR: That error message means you don't have the mysql module for PHP installed |
| 16:16.08 | tarzeau | jel: it's very damn fast! |
| 16:16.09 | x_link | I don't get Beryl to work in Sid. |
| 16:16.10 | simonrvn | RA3OR: debian's php doesn't have mysql built-in, comes modular |
| 16:16.14 | RA3OR | i just installed it |
| 16:16.17 | Wyzard | RA3OR: i.e. the php5-mysql I mentioned earlier (or php4-mysql if you're using php4) |
| 16:16.25 | simonrvn | then restart apache |
| 16:16.33 | LinuxHelp | I was wondering whether compiling a kernel for my cpu might improve mplayer's performance? |
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| 16:16.46 | tarzeau | LinuxHelp: possibly |
| 16:16.53 | PerfDave | LinuxHelp: Unlikely |
| 16:16.55 | tarzeau | LinuxHelp: what kernel do you have, and what cpu? what memory? |
| 16:17.03 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: Celeron-M doesn't have "Advanced SpeedStep". The one I have can vary the freq, but not voltage, and it doesn't have some deep-sleep states that a P-M of the same generation (Banias) has. |
| 16:17.05 | wols_ | LinuxHelp: unlikely. use videolan. it cn display videos when pmlayer could not on my PII 300 |
| 16:17.27 | wols_ | jelly-home: there are dothan and merom celerys |
| 16:17.34 | tarzeau | PerfDave: i386 kernels perform like crap compared to 686,k7,k8,p3,p4 ones.... |
| 16:17.39 | PerfDave | My Thinkpad has a neat CPU frequency stepping - if you power it on with no mains, it underclocks itself to 550MHz |
| 16:17.42 | LinuxHelp | mobile AMD Athlon(tm) 4 Processor, 230 MB ram, Linux debian 2.6.18-4-486 #1 Mon Mar 26 16:39:10 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 16:17.58 | wols_ | LinuxHelp: this is more than enough for mplayer |
| 16:18.01 | jelly-home | RA3OR: you also have to restart the web server, and check that extension=mysql.so is present in the relevant php.ini |
| 16:18.11 | PerfDave | tarzeau: I've not noticed much difference. But even so, you'd want to install an arch-optimised Debian-packaged kernel rather than compile your own. |
| 16:18.13 | jel | LinuxHelp: nope. Installing a better video driver, choosing a better video output module in mplayer, choosing a different audio module (as the sync can slow down video!), lower resolution, dropping frames harder, etc. will probably help more. |
| 16:18.21 | LinuxHelp | wols_ I'm currently using vlc |
| 16:18.49 | LinuxHelp | jel, Yes I've been through all the video outs, and I settled on Xvideo |
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| 16:19.13 | jel | LinuxHelp: xv is usually right. Check the other stuff too, though. |
| 16:19.16 | RA3OR | jelly-home: i cant f**k up that server, i installed php4-mysql after installing php5-mysql, restarted apache2 3 times, the mysql on the other sv is mysql5 |
| 16:19.30 | simonrvn | jelly-home: old way. new way is dropping a conf in /etc/php5/conf.d |
| 16:19.35 | Mitja | Hi, how do I kill daemons of which I know only the ports they keep open, but not their names/pids? |
| 16:19.53 | simonrvn | RA3OR: you can't mix 4 and 5 like that |
| 16:19.54 | PerfDave | LinuxHelp: You might want to try installing linux-image-2.6-k7 and libc6-686 |
| 16:19.59 | h3sp4wn | jelly-home: That is what I saw when I was thinking of buying one (so didn't) |
| 16:20.25 | LinuxHelp | PerfDave, no libc-k7 then? |
| 16:20.26 | wols_ | Mitja: netstat -anp as root |
| 16:20.27 | RA3OR | jelly-home: now apache gives me the .php files, instead parsing them with the pre-processor |
| 16:20.30 | simonrvn | Mitja: netstat -pluant |
| 16:20.50 | RA3OR | simonrvn: ty for that info |
| 16:20.57 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: I did. It has 2.5 hours on-battery time vs. about 4h on a P-M model, same series. |
| 16:21.06 | PerfDave | LinuxHelp: The 686 instruction set is a subset of k7. There don't seem to be performance improvements from a k7-specific libc. |
| 16:21.15 | LinuxHelp | ah |
| 16:21.45 | wols_ | PerfDave: mobile athlons. between thunderbird and athlon XP |
| 16:21.54 | wols_ | !pal simonrvn |
| 16:21.58 | PerfDave | simonrvn: I hope you washed your hands thoroughly. |
| 16:22.03 | Mitja | wols_, simonrvn: thanks |
| 16:22.19 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: and there was the $250 price difference, which made the Celery model (barely) enter my designated price range |
| 16:22.35 | simonrvn | PerfDave: yes, and always mindful of security when i'm writing anything |
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| 16:23.02 | RA3OR | jelly-home: i need to have php working again |
| 16:23.09 | jelly-home | PerfDave: please convert to euros or $ :-) |
| 16:23.35 | xand | $600 |
| 16:23.36 | simonrvn | RA3OR: stick with all php4 or php5 for starters |
| 16:23.45 | jelly-home | RA3OR: first, which php version do you have installed? |
| 16:23.46 | PerfDave | jelly-home: US$8,000,000 ;) |
| 16:23.48 | xand | erm |
| 16:23.50 | xand | $400 |
| 16:24.04 | xand | heading toward 8000000 :) |
| 16:24.04 | jelly-home | PerfDave: is it platinum plated? |
| 16:24.15 | ustunozgur | hi, I am trying to use "apt-get build-dep" to get required dependencies for building a program (vlc), but it says "Build-dependencies for vlc could not be satisfied.". What might be the reason? Another related question: I have unstable src deb in my sources.list; do I really need that or testing src rep's would suffice? |
| 16:24.18 | h3sp4wn | but its not comparible like that really as often they just s/$/£ |
| 16:24.30 | MK77491 | hi. i just made a Netinstall of the current stable version, is it possible by changing my sources.list to make it testing |
| 16:24.40 | PerfDave | MK77491: Yes |
| 16:24.43 | simonrvn | hell 0.50 CDN is 1 USD nowadays ;p |
| 16:24.51 | MK77491 | Great!! thanks!! |
| 16:25.04 | PerfDave | simonrvn: So C$1 is 1UKP? :) |
| 16:25.07 | jelly-home | canadian dinar? |
| 16:25.22 | valdyn | ustunozgur: you only need sid sources to build / backport sid packages |
| 16:25.31 | LinuxHelp | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:25.32 | PerfDave | 1 British pound = 2.20 Canadian dollars according to Google |
| 16:25.38 | xand | simonrvn: rubbish |
| 16:25.54 | xand | 1 U.S. dollar = 1.10709972 Canadian dollars |
| 16:25.59 | simonrvn | PerfDave: not sure, many years ago it was something like 2.55 CDN per uk pound. now i dunno, probably 1.50-2.00 |
| 16:26.02 | jelly-home | 1 British pound = 1.9898 U.S. dollars |
| 16:26.04 | jelly-home | nice |
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| 16:26.27 | DawnLight | PerfDave: how's it going? perhaps the printer's support service? |
| 16:26.31 | jelly-home | so 200 quid is 400 bucks |
| 16:26.31 | simonrvn | xand: i know, it was a joke on the USians |
| 16:26.47 | valdyn | ustunozgur: testing is often incomplete, so packages required to build other stuff can go missing |
| 16:26.53 | jelly-home | DawnLight: he did it! |
| 16:27.01 | simonrvn | ah ok, 2.20 |
| 16:27.03 | PerfDave | DawnLight: Fixed thanks to jel and http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=383091 - for some reason (and I don't understnad why) purging and reinstalling fixed it :/ |
| 16:27.13 | ustunozgur | valdyn: Ok. thanks. |
| 16:27.30 | PerfDave | DawnLight: I contacted Samsung, never heard back from them. |
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| 16:27.34 | jelly-home | a recursive build-dep would be nice |
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| 16:27.42 | valdyn | ustunozgur: '/msg dpkg why is <packagename> not in testing' |
| 16:28.04 | en1gma | hey all i really want kde instead of gnome. what is the correct way to install kde from a fresh install of debian |
| 16:28.18 | tarzeau | !installkde |
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| 16:28.19 | valdyn | !install kde |
| 16:28.19 | dpkg | hmm... install kde is In sarge/etch/lenny, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 16:28.19 | xand | en1gma: guess |
| 16:28.30 | xand | en1gma: it's a real tricky one ;) |
| 16:28.33 | RA3OR | jelly-home: atm its 4, over 5 (which was uninstalled by php4) look here: http://paste.prco23.org/5849 |
| 16:28.35 | ustunozgur | valdyn, Ok, I think I will try manually installing what apt-cache showsrc vlc | grep '^Build-Depends' yields and see which package gives the error. |
| 16:28.42 | en1gma | i know cause ive tried with no success |
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| 16:28.51 | xand | en1gma: that was sarcasm. |
| 16:28.54 | xand | apt-get install kde |
| 16:29.07 | DawnLight | congrats PerfDave, enjoy printing! |
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| 16:29.16 | en1gma | well im talking with no gnome preferably |
| 16:29.26 | PerfDave | !remove gnome |
| 16:29.27 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
| 16:29.39 | xand | gnome > kde :) |
| 16:29.49 | PerfDave | xand: Troll ;p |
| 16:29.51 | en1gma | and how do i install it |
| 16:29.58 | PerfDave | !tell en1gma -about install kde |
| 16:29.58 | valdyn | haha |
| 16:29.59 | en1gma | without gnome being installed |
| 16:30.10 | purplepenguins | no noes, trolling kde vs. gnome |
| 16:30.14 | valdyn | en1gma: kde does not install gnome |
| 16:30.16 | jelly-home | RA3OR: purge libapache-mod-php5, install php4-mysql (if php4 had worked previous to installation of php5-mysql), and _use common sense_ -- don't install stuff named php5-* if you're running php4 |
| 16:30.17 | purplepenguins | oh noes even |
| 16:30.22 | dfa001 | !flamewar |
| 16:30.22 | dpkg | from memory, flamewar is that thing between vi and emacs.... Perl vs Python |
| 16:30.33 | dfa001 | need to add kde vs gnome to that list |
| 16:30.33 | RA3OR | jelly-home: im installing php5-mysql again |
| 16:30.36 | purplepenguins | we all know that xfce4 > gnome though |
| 16:30.36 | en1gma | valdyn how do i do it? |
| 16:30.39 | xand | PerfDave: a troll with good taste ;P |
| 16:30.43 | valdyn | en1gma: do what? |
| 16:30.51 | PerfDave | !start a wm war |
| 16:30.51 | dpkg | twm blows! |
| 16:30.54 | xand | valdyn: we already told you |
| 16:30.59 | RA3OR | jelly-home: i cant purge nothing |
| 16:31.02 | valdyn | xand: ! |
| 16:31.08 | jelly-home | RA3OR: you didn't say which php version you had running before? |
| 16:31.11 | purplepenguins | that is a campaign we can all get behind, hating twm |
| 16:31.12 | RA3OR | jelly-home: its a production server |
| 16:31.36 | jelly-home | RA3OR: sure you can, you've _just installed it_. |
| 16:31.47 | en1gma | say im a bout ready to do a fresh install of debian (nothing is on the hd) now i cant do it if i deselect "Desktop" and only install "System" with booting and then doing "apt-get install kde" |
| 16:31.48 | ustunozgur | valdyn, but is there a way to see which package is missing by giving apt-get params? |
| 16:31.48 | PerfDave | Admittedly, that occasion is usually xdmcp over vpn over the Atlantic Ocean. |
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| 16:32.02 | xand | en1gma: why can't you? |
| 16:32.07 | RA3OR | jelly-home: i just need to have php working again on that apache2 |
| 16:32.08 | valdyn | ustunozgur: runnig the build script will show missing deps |
| 16:32.17 | valdyn | ustunozgur: like 'apt-get -b source <packagename>' |
| 16:32.18 | xand | en1gma: you'll need to install X as well |
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| 16:32.26 | ustunozgur | valdyn, ok thanks :) |
| 16:32.35 | en1gma | KDE should install X as it is a despendency isnt |
| 16:32.39 | jelly-home | RA3OR: I can't help you if you don't answer my questions. |
| 16:32.40 | PerfDave | en1gma: No, it shouldn't. |
| 16:32.41 | xand | en1gma: no it's not |
| 16:32.42 | valdyn | en1gma: no |
| 16:32.45 | PerfDave | KDE does not require an X server. |
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| 16:32.52 | PerfDave | en1gma: You probably want "aptitude install kdebase kdm xserver-xorg-core" |
| 16:32.55 | valdyn | en1gma: X is a networked system |
| 16:32.57 | xand | en1gma: you could be using an X server on another machine |
| 16:32.58 | purplepenguins | that is one of the weird thing about kde |
| 16:33.03 | valdyn | en1gma: X is a network-transparent system |
| 16:33.20 | xand | en1gma: there's an alternative installer that installs kde instead of gnome I think, probably not official |
| 16:33.22 | en1gma | ohhh didnt know that |
| 16:33.28 | xand | (and thus not supported here) |
| 16:33.35 | en1gma | omg that is what we need |
| 16:33.39 | en1gma | or i need at least |
| 16:33.40 | jelly-home | PerfDave: he didn't say "KDE should install an X server" |
| 16:33.45 | PerfDave | xand: Aren't there three official Etch installers, one for KDE, XFCE, Gnome just like Ubuntoy? |
| 16:33.55 | xand | PerfDave: I don't know, maybe |
| 16:33.57 | PerfDave | jelly-home: This is true. I was paraphrasing what he said into what he meant ;) |
| 16:34.05 | xand | I thought they were unofficial ones |
| 16:34.11 | valdyn | PerfDave: at least for kde there is |
| 16:34.13 | PerfDave | en1gma: You probably want "aptitude install kdebase kdm x-window-system-core" sorry |
| 16:34.14 | simonrvn | there's 3 cd1s, each with kde, gnome, or xfce |
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| 16:34.28 | RA3OR | Forcing reload of web server: Apache2Warning: DocumentRoot [/usr/share/IlohaMail/source/] does not exist |
| 16:34.33 | purplepenguins | my install decided I wanted gnome... |
| 16:34.34 | RA3OR | f^% |
| 16:34.59 | en1gma | ok so if i want KDE i would need to do a "aptitude install kdebase kdm xserver-xorg-core" ? |
| 16:34.59 | simonrvn | purplepenguins: default cd1 |
| 16:35.00 | valdyn | RA3OR: very nice error, wish all were like that |
| 16:35.00 | en1gma | and that will take care of everything? |
| 16:35.05 | valdyn | en1gma: no |
| 16:35.10 | valdyn | en1gma: x-window-system-core |
| 16:35.12 | purplepenguins | I should have disabled it, I don't want any of the above |
| 16:35.18 | RA3OR | i need to kill some1 right now, who volunteers? |
| 16:35.26 | PerfDave | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r0-i386-kde-CD-1.iso is an official iso apparnetly. |
| 16:35.38 | simonrvn | /ig -replies RA3OR |
| 16:35.41 | xand | purplepenguins: it's an option in the installer whether you want a "desktop" install or whatever |
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| 16:35.54 | en1gma | "aptitude install kdebase kdm xserver-xorg-core x-window-system-core" ? |
| 16:35.57 | en1gma | xand thanks |
| 16:36.04 | purplepenguins | I know, forgot that when you say "desktop" install that installs a WM |
| 16:36.14 | valdyn | en1gma: you can forget about that xserver-xorg-core, but it does not hurt |
| 16:36.14 | PerfDave | en1gma: No, "aptitude install kdebase kdm x-window-system-core" |
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| 16:36.34 | jel | tarzeau: what's gnustep's support for unicode and fonts like? |
| 16:36.39 | PerfDave | valdyn: Won't aptitude fail because xserver-xorg-core doesn't exist? |
| 16:36.50 | valdyn | PerfDave: oh it will, i thought it did |
| 16:36.51 | jelly-home | RA3OR: kill the sysadmin who messes up the production server based on what questionably informed folks on irc tell 'im? |
| 16:36.58 | tarzeau | jel: interlally utf16, otherwise utf8. fonts are all supported (like type1, truetype, otf) |
| 16:37.08 | PerfDave | valdyn: Oh, wait, it does. Sorry, I ran "apt-cache show" on the Sarge box, not the Etch box ;) |
| 16:37.10 | en1gma | PerfDave way will work ok? |
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| 16:37.17 | tarzeau | jel: x11 bitmapped fonts are not supported, because gnustep works also without x11 |
| 16:37.26 | RA3OR | jelly-home: all i needed was the module that allowed php to connect to a remote mysql db |
| 16:37.29 | en1gma | which one will work ok guys |
| 16:37.31 | PerfDave | en1gma: It's what I did - disable the "desktop" task in the installer, then run that comman dby hand. |
| 16:37.32 | RA3OR | for a forum |
| 16:37.42 | xand | RA3OR: it's the same as the one that'll connect to a local mysql db |
| 16:37.45 | valdyn | en1gma: go try |
| 16:37.45 | PerfDave | PHP sucks, web forums suck even more :) |
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| 16:37.47 | en1gma | well im going to install with no "Desktop" |
| 16:37.50 | RA3OR | [RA3OR] Hmm, i dont have mysql installed on my debian, i have apache with php support, i need to connect (from a forum script) to a mysql db which is on another server (with mysql installed); what do i need to apt-get install ? |
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| 16:37.56 | en1gma | when im install debian |
| 16:37.59 | purplepenguins | there has only been two new stables since I started with debian |
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| 16:38.06 | PerfDave | purplepenguins: n00b ;) |
| 16:38.07 | RA3OR | [RA3OR] I just need my scripts to be able to connect to the remote mysql db, not run it in localhost |
| 16:38.11 | tarzeau | PerfDave: true, because also webbrowsers suck, and all people who try to rape the web to more than just the web |
| 16:38.11 | en1gma | so all this will be from console; |
| 16:38.17 | purplepenguins | woody went stable back in the dark ages though |
| 16:38.27 | vin` | en1gma: so? |
| 16:38.29 | xand | RA3OR: the answer depends on what version of apache and php |
| 16:38.33 | jel | tarzeau: hmm.. not missing much there :) OK, thanks |
| 16:38.43 | en1gma | Valdyn was your way more correct then PerfDaves? |
| 16:38.49 | purplepenguins | I received an old debian server not touched in years, it was running woody with a 2.2 kernel... |
| 16:38.55 | jelly-home | RA3OR: you _still_ haven't answered which version of php was running prior to your installing php5-mysql |
| 16:38.57 | xand | RA3OR: sorry, just which version of php |
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| 16:39.13 | xand | RA3OR: either php4-mysql or php5-mysql... |
| 16:39.14 | RA3OR | jelly-home: its apache2 |
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| 16:39.24 | xand | RA3OR: that's not the php version |
| 16:39.26 | jelly-home | RA3OR: WHICH PHP? |
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| 16:39.36 | RA3OR | xand: now its php5... |
| 16:39.44 | jelly-home | RA3OR: not now, before |
| 16:39.45 | jinzo | is pppoe installed by defoult in debian 4.0 ? |
| 16:39.47 | tarzeau | !nickometer RA3OR |
| 16:39.48 | dpkg | 'RA3OR' is 82.000% lame, tarzeau |
| 16:39.54 | RA3OR | lol |
| 16:39.57 | jelly-home | tarzeau: it's off by 18% |
| 16:40.06 | purplepenguins | from 2004, two new debian stables, compared to like six or something ubuntu versions |
| 16:40.08 | xand | if you have php5, you install php5-mysql... I guess if you installed that without php5 installed it would install php5 for you too :P |
| 16:40.10 | tarzeau | !nickmeter jelly-home |
| 16:40.10 | dpkg | jelly-home is 100% lame with a cherry on top! |
| 16:40.16 | tarzeau | jelly-home: :) |
| 16:40.18 | PerfDave | jinzo: No, pppoe is optional. |
| 16:40.18 | jelly-home | tarzeau: hehe |
| 16:40.20 | xand | purplepenguins: it's called QA |
| 16:40.32 | xand | purplepenguins: how many windows releases? ;P |
| 16:40.34 | PerfDave | purplepenguins: This demonstrates how much better Debian is than Ubuntu ;) |
| 16:40.36 | RA3OR | seriously, you guyz are .... |
| 16:40.41 | xand | purplepenguins: damn, that defeats my argument |
| 16:40.47 | jinzo | PerfDave, is it on the install cd ? |
| 16:40.50 | purplepenguins | feisty fawn, edgy eft, dapper drake, breezy badger, hoary hedgehog... |
| 16:40.58 | en1gma | Valdyn is this way correct "aptitude install kdebase kdm xserver-xorg-core x-window-system-core" OR "aptitude install kdebase kdm x-window-system-core" |
| 16:40.58 | xand | purplepenguins: what's your point? |
| 16:41.00 | purplepenguins | forgetting one in there |
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| 16:41.14 | purplepenguins | just pointing out the obvious, that stable doesn't change much |
| 16:41.15 | valdyn | en1gma: both does the same, xserver-xorg-core is redundant |
| 16:41.17 | PerfDave | jinzo: No idea |
| 16:41.22 | en1gma | ok |
| 16:41.27 | purplepenguins | not saying that's a bad thing |
| 16:41.30 | jinzo | a friend is looking for it :/ |
| 16:41.34 | xand | purplepenguins: stable changes plenty between versions |
| 16:41.38 | en1gma | thanks and i can do this with a no "Desktop" when i install debian right? |
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| 16:41.43 | en1gma | so this will work at console? |
| 16:41.45 | purplepenguins | change very often, I should say |
| 16:41.48 | PerfDave | en1gma: Yes |
| 16:41.52 | en1gma | sweet |
| 16:41.53 | en1gma | thanks |
| 16:41.56 | xand | en1gma: whatever options you choose then, you can always change later |
| 16:42.05 | PerfDave | valdyn: Though with aptitude, you don't want to specify redundant packages on the command line. |
| 16:42.17 | en1gma | so what should i put |
| 16:42.19 | purplepenguins | I remember when I installed woody when it was stable, it had a 2.4 kernel in it and it hated my hardware |
| 16:42.28 | RA3OR | jelly-home: Apache/2.0.54 (Debian GNU/Linux) PHP/4.3.10-16 configured |
| 16:42.33 | RA3OR | that was in the logs |
| 16:42.45 | xand | php4(-mysql) then |
| 16:42.47 | purplepenguins | sarge with 2.6 worked swimmingly though |
| 16:42.48 | jelly-home | RA3OR: that's something. That's php4 from sarge. |
| 16:42.50 | PerfDave | RA3OR: So you're running PHP4, not PHP5 |
| 16:42.52 | RA3OR | jelly-home: now it says: Apache/2.0.54 (Debian GNU/Linux) configured -- resuming normal operations |
| 16:42.58 | xand | oh wait |
| 16:43.05 | PerfDave | RA3OR: And now, no PHP at all :) |
| 16:43.07 | RA3OR | PerfDave: not anymore |
| 16:43.14 | xingu | gneat ... http://www.linuxpowertop.org/powertop.php |
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| 16:43.21 | RA3OR | obviously |
| 16:43.33 | xand | this isn't a sarge box with "stable" in source.list is it? |
| 16:43.34 | jelly-home | RA3OR: it seems you had a sarge installation, and kept "stable" deb lines in your sources.list |
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| 16:43.40 | jelly-home | !win xand |
| 16:43.41 | dpkg | Congratulations, xand! You have won a one way ticket to Charlotte, North Carolina ... YeeHaw!! |
| 16:43.44 | RA3OR | question IS: how do i run it, and i need the lib to connect to a REMOTE mysql |
| 16:43.49 | jelly-home | xand: http://paste.prco23.org/5849 |
| 16:44.02 | wols_ | RA3OR: php4-mysql |
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| 16:44.14 | purplepenguins | knowing debian isn't helpful for talking on #ubuntu, I realized |
| 16:44.20 | wols_ | it it doesn't matter at all if mysql is remote or local |
| 16:44.23 | tarzeau | purplepenguins: why not? |
| 16:44.26 | RA3OR | jelly-home: Linux ns.x.ro 2.6.8-2-686 #1 Tue Aug 16 13:22:48 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 16:44.29 | purplepenguins | !fail purplepenguins |
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| 16:44.40 | PerfDave | purplepenguins: Nor vice-versa, which is why Ubuntu users on #debian confuse and frustrate themselves and others :) |
| 16:44.41 | wols_ | RA3OR: an outdated srge even |
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| 16:45.04 | purplepenguins | because when you say you have to whip out gedit someone says "but should I use this GUI app with Gnome that does X" and I say "GUI IS FOR WEAKLINGS" |
| 16:45.05 | RA3OR | yeah, its a production sv |
| 16:45.12 | RA3OR | i cant mess up with it |
| 16:45.20 | purplepenguins | also I hate gnome |
| 16:45.21 | wols_ | RA3OR: software with exploits is not "production sv" |
| 16:45.27 | wols_ | esepcailly year old holes |
| 16:45.28 | purplepenguins | and all the problems seem to be gnome problems |
| 16:45.32 | AegNuddel | I have a knoppix, hdd install, and I have read that once knoppix on HDD, it basically becomes Debian. |
| 16:45.37 | schme | purplepenguins: Why are you on #ubuntu in the first place? (: |
| 16:45.39 | jelly-home | RA3OR: you have already messed it up quite a bit, installing packages from etch (= stable) on sarge (= oldstable) |
| 16:45.41 | RA3OR | wols_: hey, i didnt install it, i just run it for 2 weeks |
| 16:45.42 | purplepenguins | no good reason |
| 16:45.44 | PerfDave | AegNuddel: You heard wrong, sorry :) |
| 16:45.50 | schme | purplepenguins: The best of reasons :) |
| 16:45.50 | cyzie | where do i set the buffer for history ? |
| 16:45.54 | purplepenguins | I found out mark shuttleworth visited there before |
| 16:46.01 | RA3OR | untill i know all about it, i cant do ... |
| 16:46.05 | purplepenguins | wanted to see if it was true |
| 16:46.24 | purplepenguins | also to maybe help people, didn't work |
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| 16:46.46 | jelly-home | RA3OR: I guess installing php4-mysql from etch won't hurt much. |
| 16:46.50 | purplepenguins | no one wanted my help, or I couldn't help them because it was ubuntu-specific |
| 16:46.56 | AegNuddel | PerfDave, okay |
| 16:47.08 | PerfDave | RA3OR: The server you're using is an out-of-date Debian 3.1 install. It has security holes in its kernel and presumably elsewhere. You're trying to install packages from Debian 4.0 without upgrading the rest of your server. This is not going to end well. |
| 16:47.29 | RA3OR | jelly-home: so, how do i fix php4 ? |
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| 16:47.54 | wols_ | RA3OR: since you installed packages frm all over: by upgrading to etch first |
| 16:47.56 | en1gma | in the future will debian have an option for KDE install as opposed to GNOME |
| 16:47.58 | wols_ | to get a propre baseline |
| 16:48.01 | en1gma | or has it always been this way |
| 16:48.12 | jelly-home | RA3OR: it's not php4 that is the problem here. The best thing to do would be to restore from backups before you installed any packages from "stable" |
| 16:48.17 | valdyn | RA3OR: restore from backup or upgrade the whole system, or downgrade manually, that's hard. |
| 16:48.21 | wols_ | en1gma: it already has an option. didn't we talk about this yesterday already? |
| 16:48.25 | PerfDave | en1gma: It's varied across Debian releases. IIRC Woody installed KDE by default, Sarge installed both and defaulted to GDM. |
| 16:48.36 | AegNuddel | just trying to find someone who can help me get my sound back! argh! |
| 16:48.42 | PerfDave | AegNuddel: You want #knoppix |
| 16:49.02 | maddash | gui's are for weaklings? I didn't know that. |
| 16:49.10 | RA3OR | jelly-home: i installed php4-mysql |
| 16:49.10 | valdyn | AegNuddel: it does not basically become debian at all |
| 16:49.21 | en1gma | wols_ there is a fawked up way of installing KDE for nooB....i know there is a workaround....im talking about a proper way to install kde just like "Desktop" should say "Gnome" and have another option in there for "KDE" |
| 16:49.36 | PerfDave | en1gma: Or just use the KDE install CD |
| 16:49.47 | wols_ | RA3OR: you mixed shit from sarge and etch. on a production machine. it WILL blow up sooner or later. do a proper etch install/upgrade or restore from backups and only use oldstable. |
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| 16:49.49 | valdyn | en1gma: that won't happen as both dont seem to fit on the first CD |
| 16:49.58 | en1gma | i have the dvd though |
| 16:50.01 | valdyn | en1gma: and will fit much less the next release |
| 16:50.02 | en1gma | and they are both there |
| 16:50.09 | valdyn | en1gma: true |
| 16:50.13 | RA3OR | wols_: how do i restore ? |
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| 16:50.28 | wols_ | RA3OR: by using your backups. and if you doN#t have backups: it is no productions server |
| 16:50.37 | jelly-home | harsh |
| 16:50.45 | PerfDave | valdyn: Actually, the Catholics have a concept of "transdistribution", whereby the act of laying down your Knoppix onto a hard drive changes it into Debian... |
| 16:50.47 | wols_ | jelly-home: but true |
| 16:50.57 | RA3OR | wols_: i have 'some' backups |
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| 16:51.31 | talisker | ...I'm stuck on caps... |
| 16:51.37 | AegNuddel | from www.knoppix.net ... Issues relating to HDD Installs. Once you have installed Knoppix, it basicly becomes debian, so you should check out www.debian.org for information. That's where I got that idea, so don't think I formulated it on my own |
| 16:51.52 | wols_ | AegNuddel: they lie |
| 16:51.55 | wols_ | !knoppix |
| 16:51.55 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unoffical: https://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-knoppix/ http://debian-knoppix.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 16:52.09 | AegNuddel | they're so...quiet |
| 16:52.28 | PerfDave | AegNuddel: Have you considered installing Debian? It's very nice. |
| 16:52.32 | jelly-home | RA3OR: even if you make apache[2] and php4-mysql from etch work, there's no telling whether your local php apps will work with php 4.4.4 like they worked with php 4.3.10 from sarge |
| 16:52.40 | AegNuddel | I didn't do the install |
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| 16:52.58 | purplepenguins | debian is excellent, it's like ubuntu without the unnecessary stuff |
| 16:53.00 | wols_ | AegNuddel: we don't care. it's not dbeian, so we can't support it |
| 16:53.12 | rahul | whahahaha |
| 16:53.13 | abhi | can anyone tell me how to add a application to the system startup? |
| 16:53.13 | PerfDave | purplepenguins: Like Mark Shuttleworth ;) |
| 16:53.15 | jelly-home | purplepenguins: haha |
| 16:53.25 | tarzeau | AegNuddel: www.linuks.mine.nu/ubuntu/uncurse |
| 16:53.26 | RA3OR | jelly-home: it was a iloha webmail, no other php software i've seen |
| 16:53.32 | rahul | just figured out who told me a month ago about free tickets to webster hall |
| 16:53.35 | wols_ | !tell abhi about rc.local |
| 16:53.35 | AegNuddel | I have everything I want except something happened to my sound - I have considered changing sometime in the future, but all the backups... |
| 16:53.39 | rahul | it was the manager of my local bar |
| 16:53.42 | \amethyst | AegNuddel: The knoppix web site even says "Something to note is that Debian developers/users/mentors do not consider Knoppix installed to a hard drive to truly be Debian. They will not support Knoppix users & will tell them to go to Knoppix.net for support" |
| 16:53.46 | purplepenguins | wonder when debian will support beryl out of the box... |
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| 16:54.01 | rahul | anyway, I will be seeing the hottest chicks in metal tonight :D |
| 16:54.04 | tarzeau | purplepenguins: matter of time |
| 16:54.05 | rahul | FOR FREE |
| 16:54.15 | tarzeau | rahul: post photos! |
| 16:54.16 | AegNuddel | and those idiots won't give me an answer worth sh!t... |
| 16:54.20 | rahul | and bringing another hot metal chick with me ;) |
| 16:54.22 | \amethyst | s/The kn/That kn/ |
| 16:54.23 | purplepenguins | I don't like the uselessness of glitzy interfaces |
| 16:54.24 | RA3OR | ok, anyone tell me the adress of wizard, so i ca murderise him ? |
| 16:54.27 | rahul | heh |
| 16:54.37 | rahul | if only I had a camera |
| 16:54.40 | rahul | maybe I'll buy one :P |
| 16:54.50 | PerfDave | purplepenguins: Depends what you mean by "support out of the box". Beryl mostly rquires non-Free software, and it'll be a cold day in hell (I hope) before Debian works with non-Free software out of the box. |
| 16:54.51 | jelly-home | RA3OR: well, if you're lucky it'll still work with new php4-mysql |
| 16:54.55 | liable | rahul: why do you think we care about your rantings about women? |
| 16:54.59 | abhi | wols_:what |
| 16:55.05 | h3sp4wn | purplepenguins: I thought it was to be re merged with compiz anyway |
| 16:55.13 | purplepenguins | it would be great if nvidia drivers were open sourced... |
| 16:55.16 | wols_ | abhi: dpkg messaged you something |
| 16:55.16 | rahul | liable: because that's what people talk to me about in here |
| 16:55.38 | PerfDave | purplepenguins: Unlikely to ever happen. Intel seems to be releasing Free drivers which is nice. |
| 16:55.39 | wols_ | PerfDave: there are the intel drivers and there is ati |
| 16:55.44 | rahul | !seen stoned |
| 16:55.44 | dpkg | stoned is currently on #debian, last said: 'lol'. |
| 16:55.46 | abhi | i want to add a application to the system startup? |
| 16:55.48 | PerfDave | Hopefully others will follow. |
| 16:55.54 | RA3OR | jelly-home: if im lucky, lol |
| 16:55.57 | PerfDave | abhi: What sort of application? |
| 16:56.04 | wols_ | abhi: and dpkg told you how |
| 16:56.08 | jelly-home | RA3OR: you shouldn't have installed _anything_ without checking which version of Debian is on the server, and which is in sources.list |
| 16:56.20 | RA3OR | jelly-home: .... |
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| 16:56.41 | xingu | PerfDave: save me some clicking? what nonfree does beryl depend on? |
| 16:56.45 | jelly-home | RA3OR: especially if you're new admin and the last one has gone AWOL |
| 16:56.48 | wols_ | jelly-home: what he wanted to tell you nicely: "you are not qualified for administering a server" |
| 16:57.02 | PerfDave | xingu: It requires 3D stuff, which mostly requires non-Free software. |
| 16:57.04 | wols_ | xingu: 3d accelerated drivers which often are non free |
| 16:57.09 | jelly-home | wols_: tip-toeing around that, but yes |
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| 16:57.25 | abhi | wols_,perfDave:gnome-theme-manager, because without it my font becomes small in kde. |
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| 16:58.03 | jelly-home | wols_: I've done my share of stupid mistakes |
| 16:58.04 | wols_ | RA3OR: so now you're up shit-creek. your two alternatives are: a) restore the serve to sarge and install php stuff or b) upgrade to etch and install the php stuff |
| 16:58.08 | wols_ | RA3OR: your choice |
| 16:58.15 | PerfDave | abhi: Does that need to be run every boot? |
| 16:58.35 | wols_ | jelly-home: everyone did. 95% of my problems are my own idiocy |
| 16:58.40 | RA3OR | wols_: php4, where do i enable that for apache ? |
| 16:58.43 | gkahla | question: do we have to install individual packages for building software (gcc, make, autoconf, etc), or is there a meta-package in etch? |
| 16:58.51 | PerfDave | gkahla: build-essential |
| 16:58.57 | wols_ | RA3OR: /etc/apache/ |
| 16:59.01 | gkahla | PerfDave, you rock! |
| 16:59.03 | DawnLight | is there a GUI for apache2 configuration? (don't yell at me! i like GUIs!) |
| 16:59.08 | wols_ | DawnLight: no |
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| 16:59.20 | tarzeau | !trivia |
| 16:59.22 | tarzeau | #trivia |
| 16:59.26 | Alledala | Hello there |
| 16:59.33 | wols_ | tarzeau: stop spammin other channels :P |
| 16:59.42 | abhi | PerfDave: yes, because i tested that when i started the gnome-theme-manager manually themes of gnome applications become normal. |
| 16:59.52 | tarzeau | wols_: other channels? that was the only one , i swear |
| 16:59.58 | PerfDave | abhi: You can probably invoke gnome-theme-manager from ~/.xsession and it'll be started every time you start KDE |
| 16:59.59 | Alledala | Do you know of any good channel for server and hosting talk? |
| 17:00.02 | wols_ | abhi: as dpkg told you. create a rc.local and put the call to that gnome thing in there |
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| 17:00.12 | jelly-home | RA3OR: purge libapache-mod-php5, a2enmod php4, and restart apache. |
| 17:00.15 | {Nathan} | Whenever I start X, I get the error "Waiting for X server to shutdown FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc" refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing." That happens every time and I don't get that as root. Any ideas? |
| 17:00.30 | PerfDave | Alledala: This is a good channel for talking about my Debian server ;) |
| 17:00.46 | abhi | okk thanks , i will test it |
| 17:00.50 | jelly-home | RA3OR: if that doesn't work, you might get away with "only" upgrading apache2 and php4. |
| 17:00.56 | Alledala | PerfDave: Ok, what about your debian server? |
| 17:01.14 | Alledala | Im having trouble understanding how DNS works. |
| 17:01.18 | tarzeau | !dns |
| 17:01.21 | Alledala | Especially Zone transfers. |
| 17:01.37 | tarzeau | Alledala: http://www.rscott.org/dns/ |
| 17:01.39 | RA3OR | jelly-home: i preffer upgrading, but will it keep my current settings? |
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| 17:01.49 | jelly-home | RA3OR: probably :-) |
| 17:02.04 | TTT | hi, um, i have debian/amd64 (sid), how do I install skype, which is x86 .deb ? |
| 17:02.07 | Alledala | tarzeau: thank you! |
| 17:02.08 | PerfDave | Alledala: #dns may help |
| 17:02.14 | abhi | PerfDave: no such directory.. |
| 17:02.19 | gkahla | thanks again PerfDave - later! |
| 17:02.25 | PerfDave | abhi: It's a file, and you may need to create it. |
| 17:02.35 | abhi | wols_: could you please explain? |
| 17:02.55 | jelly-home | RA3OR: I haven't testing sarge->etch upgrades that much, apache 2.0.54 -> apache 2.2 shouldn't be much trouble but one never knows |
| 17:02.56 | Alledala | Thank you for all answers, i love you! |
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| 17:03.11 | abhi | PerfDave: what to write in it? |
| 17:03.11 | PerfDave | abhi: It's .Xsession actually, see "man xsession" |
| 17:03.22 | abhi | PerfDave: thanks |
| 17:03.57 | RA3OR | jelly-home: you read this ? http://paste.prco23.org/5849 |
| 17:03.59 | DawnLight | wols_: shame... |
| 17:04.14 | purplepenguins | 1.3 is ancient by now |
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| 17:04.27 | jelly-home | RA3OR: yes |
| 17:04.28 | HardDisk_WP | how do I disable in Webalizer the "TopSite"? |
| 17:04.32 | purplepenguins | does apache still support the 1.3.x line? |
| 17:04.51 | liable | jelly-home: you wont do that automagically without some amazing sed/awk foo |
| 17:04.56 | jelly-home | RA3OR: install libapache2-mod-php4, a2enmod php4, restart apache and cross finger |
| 17:05.05 | purplepenguins | yeah, they changed configuration files since then... |
| 17:05.08 | RA3OR | jelly-home: so, if i purge the lib, then a2enmod php4 and restart apache, should work ? |
| 17:05.35 | jelly-home | liable: I already have some amazing Perl using Apache::Config :-) |
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| 17:05.51 | RA3OR | jelly-home: what has apache2 to do with the debian version ? |
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| 17:06.20 | RA3OR | jelly-home: i really dont get it, apache is apache, should serve pages, what can it do to deb build ? |
| 17:06.28 | xingu | tarzeau: that page has some interesting policy choices in it. :) |
| 17:06.37 | jelly-home | RA3OR: it's apache 2.2 in etch, different libraries, it's anyone's guess whether new php4 module will work with apache2 from sarge |
| 17:07.10 | xingu | tarzeau: I've never used a dns implementation that required more than one soa definition per zonefile (the article says must have two, being first and last record in zonefile) |
| 17:07.11 | RA3OR | jelly-home: aha, the modules are build regarding new changes |
| 17:07.11 | RA3OR | ? |
| 17:07.16 | jelly-home | RA3OR: uh... you need to learn about ABI, and ABI incompatibilites :-) |
| 17:07.29 | jelly-home | RA3OR: yes. |
| 17:07.44 | RA3OR | jelly-home: i need to learn alot, but then, we all need that |
| 17:08.09 | {Nathan} | RA3OR: We all need to learn a lot, such as the fact that a lot is two words ^^ |
| 17:08.16 | xingu | tarzeau: also, I'm not sure where they get the "mname must be master" from; typically mname describes a cluster, or a service on a cluster, and not an individual node |
| 17:08.37 | tarzeau | xingu: no idea, but i like the for rocked scientists part :) |
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| 17:08.39 | RA3OR | [jelly-home] RA3OR: install libapache2-mod-php4, a2enmod php4, restart apache and cross finger |
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| 17:09.37 | RA3OR | jelly-home: i did apt-get update, is that bad |
| 17:09.52 | jelly-home | RA3OR: you've already done that before, the damage is done |
| 17:10.01 | RA3OR | jelly-home: http://paste.prco23.org/5849 line 1 |
| 17:10.06 | earthian | hello, there is that package called "tipa" that does not want to get upgraded somehow. Even with apt-get dist-upgrade. any idea what to do? how to get rid of it as it annoys me while i update other packages? I use Lenny. |
| 17:10.12 | liable | an update wont do anything harmfull |
| 17:10.18 | jelly-home | RA3OR: e-yup. I've taken that into consideration. |
| 17:10.27 | Alledala | Hmm, im having a hard time here. |
| 17:10.30 | Alledala | Debian or Freebsed? |
| 17:10.33 | RA3OR | jelly-home: so how do i 'UNDO' that ? |
| 17:10.34 | RA3OR | :D |
| 17:10.35 | TTT | earthian, either remove it, or do apt-get install tipa, and see what's broken with it |
| 17:10.41 | jelly-home | RA3OR: restore from backups |
| 17:10.41 | Alledala | FreeBSD |
| 17:10.47 | tarzeau | Alledala: debian gnu/kfreebsd , #gnu-kbsd |
| 17:11.01 | TTT | earthian, or just ignore it, and it will get fixed after some time (hopefully) |
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| 17:11.11 | {Nathan} | Alledala: Debian all the way. |
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| 17:11.34 | Alledala | Why? |
| 17:11.39 | tarzeau | !why debian |
| 17:11.39 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ or see <overfiendsphallus> |
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| 17:11.46 | jelly-home | RA3OR: there's no telling what else you have upgraded to etch in the meantime, so just editing sources.list to oldstable wouldn't help |
| 17:11.46 | Alledala | And please, remove those brackets. |
| 17:11.46 | {Nathan} | Alledala: apt. |
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| 17:12.41 | Alledala | But FreeBSD have packages to? |
| 17:12.44 | RA3OR | jelly-home: http://paste.prco23.org/5851 |
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| 17:12.45 | {Nathan} | Alledala: installing software is as easy as "sudo apt-get install <packagename>" most of the time. Also, upgrade your packages with a simple "sudo apt-get update" then "sudo apt-get upgrade" |
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| 17:13.01 | purplepenguins | Alledala: yeah |
| 17:13.05 | Alledala | Hmm, well itÅ› just as easy on FreebSD |
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| 17:13.19 | purplepenguins | they have a pretty good package manager on freebsd |
| 17:13.31 | {Nathan} | Alledala: I've also seen much more software for linux than bsd |
| 17:13.36 | tarzeau | purplepenguins: their packages suck |
| 17:13.40 | jelly-home | RA3OR: yeah, I thought something like that might happen |
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| 17:13.41 | tarzeau | purplepenguins: only the ports are nice |
| 17:13.50 | earthian | TTT, apt-get -f install tipa worked just fine. then why apt-get dist-upgrade did not work ? i think dist-upgrade is supposed not only upgrade current files but also install the needed ones? |
| 17:13.52 | earthian | :S |
| 17:13.58 | RA3OR | jelly-home: strategy ? |
| 17:14.03 | smcavoy | can anyone foresee a problem with moving from i386 etch to amd64 etch by doing a dpkg --get-selections / dpkg --set-selections and backing up / restoring /etc ? |
| 17:14.05 | tarzeau | purplepenguins, Alledala you know you can have debian gnu/kfreebsd ? |
| 17:14.07 | jelly-home | RA3OR: install apache2 |
| 17:14.13 | Alledala | Yeah, im split because ive used ubuntu now as operating system for more than a year. And now have server on Debian. But. Ive only run FreeBSD in a live enviroment and i know i can totaly depend on it. |
| 17:14.15 | RA3OR | jelly-home: didnt purge |
| 17:14.23 | acu | I want to buy a mobile device on which I can view realmedia movie, play mp3, have a capacity of ~ 1Gb - and which works with Debian Linux - any recomendations ? |
| 17:14.50 | RA3OR | jelly-home: installed php5-mysql, then php4-mysql, then php4-mysql ontop each other |
| 17:14.53 | {Nathan} | acu: Do you have a Nintendo DS? |
| 17:15.02 | Alledala | tarzeau: Why do their packages suck? |
| 17:15.19 | RA3OR | jelly-home: cant i just use wget a php4 ? |
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| 17:15.29 | peterS | acu: I don't have any suggestions, but you might want to clarify: by "works with Debian Linux" do you mean you can install Debian on it, or just that you can read and write data from a Debian machine? |
| 17:15.34 | jelly-home | RA3OR: remove libapache-mod-php5 and php5-mysql |
| 17:15.45 | jelly-home | RA3OR: wget from where? oldstable? |
| 17:15.57 | RA3OR | jjelly-home: yeah, for my build |
| 17:16.15 | jelly-home | RA3OR: why the fuck would you want to build it now? |
| 17:16.21 | RA3OR | ns:/# locate libphp |
| 17:16.31 | RA3OR | .. /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp5.so |
| 17:16.36 | RA3OR | wtf |
| 17:16.42 | {Nathan} | acu: if you have a DS, buy an R4. It plays mp3s, oggs, all sorts of other media files, and can watch videos / movies on it. Pictures too. Homebrew on it is great. You can get ROMs and run them on there too. It all runs from a micro SD card. |
| 17:16.46 | wols_ | earthian: apt-get install tipa |
| 17:16.53 | RA3OR | .. /usr/sbin/apache2 |
| 17:17.41 | jelly-home | RA3OR: your machine is half-way to etch. You either want to upgrade it fully, or restore from backups. Anything else is silly. |
| 17:17.41 | mnvl | does anyone know why various startup scripts (nfs-common, apache) are failing and apparently crashing init.d with error message 'eth0: no IPv6 routers present' ?? |
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| 17:17.42 | RA3OR | jelly-home: my bro says the php installed for apache, not apache2 |
| 17:17.42 | acu | peterS: just to connect to a Debian machine - I am asking because I bought before a mp3 player and voice recorder which connects only trough a proprietary software which runs only in Windows - so I want to get something which allows me to conect to linus |
| 17:17.55 | jelly-home | RA3OR: yes, that's why there's no harm in removing it |
| 17:18.02 | RA3OR | jelly-home: bro says 'apt-get remove apache' |
| 17:18.14 | acu | Nathan: I do not have a Nintendo DS - is this a playstation ? |
| 17:18.21 | tarzeau | acu: no |
| 17:18.22 | {Nathan} | acu: no |
| 17:18.51 | jelly-home | RA3OR: has your brother ever dealt with half-way upgraded debian distros? |
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| 17:18.56 | {Nathan} | acu: It's nintendo's dual-screen portable gaming system, like the Gameboy only much better and with a touch screen and normal screen, |
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| 17:19.34 | RA3OR | jelly-home: i dont even know how to anser to that |
| 17:20.32 | RA3OR | jelly-home: http://paste.prco23.org/5852 |
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| 17:20.40 | {Nathan} | I just got a perfectly round peanut M&M that had no peanut in it. |
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| 17:20.50 | jelly-home | RA3OR: if you want to let me help, ok. But don't listen to two people at the same time, taking your pick from both sources |
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| 17:20.58 | tarzeau | {Nathan}: PHOTO! |
| 17:21.09 | {Nathan} | tarzeau: I ate it. |
| 17:21.24 | quitte_ | how do i start a shell from a shellscript instead of init? |
| 17:21.25 | RA3OR | jelly-home: ok |
| 17:21.28 | cusco | dudes |
| 17:21.31 | tarzeau | {Nathan}: X-RAY-PHOTO! |
| 17:21.32 | cusco | what is that site |
| 17:21.33 | {Nathan} | tarzeau: that's how I found out there was no peanut in it -- I alway bite off the chocolate around the peanut. |
| 17:21.36 | cusco | goodbye microsoft |
| 17:21.42 | cusco | or soemthing... debian instaler for windows |
| 17:21.44 | cusco | lol |
| 17:22.03 | RA3OR | jelly-home: so, whats the next step |
| 17:22.29 | jelly-home | RA3OR: pastebin "apt-cache policy apache2 apache2-mpm-prefork", "COLUMNS=150 dpkg -l \*apache\*", and "COLUMNS=150 dpkg -l \*php\*" |
| 17:23.00 | acu | NathanS: so I have to buy a DS an R4 and an SD which it will reach $200 ... |
| 17:23.09 | {Nathan} | no |
| 17:23.31 | hark | cusco: /msg dpkg debian.exe |
| 17:23.34 | {Nathan} | acu: if you get an old DS, that's 50. An R4 + 1gb SD card is $60 + shipping. |
| 17:23.38 | RA3OR | jelly-home: that server has only 2.6g left on /dev/rd/c0d0p1 |
| 17:23.50 | cusco | hark: cheers |
| 17:24.01 | {Nathan} | acu: I got one last week and I'm in love with it. |
| 17:24.06 | acu | Nathan: so it is connecting to Linux just fine |
| 17:24.43 | jelly-home | RA3OR: please stick to the relevant bits |
| 17:24.45 | RA3OR | jelly-home: cant upgrade yet, need to get permission for that, and also need to fix php first |
| 17:24.54 | RA3OR | that relevant? |
| 17:25.03 | {Nathan} | acu: yes, no special software. you just plug in a reader it comes with to the USB port and put the micro SD card in the reader. KDE then pops up konqueror and I can put videos, mp3s, pictures, homebrew, etc on there. I even have linux on my DS. |
| 17:25.05 | jelly-home | RA3OR: you can't fix php without upgrading. |
| 17:26.03 | RA3OR | jelly-home: its a line in a conf file, that says where php is, and another one, where it says php files are handled with PHP, wtf is so hard ? |
| 17:26.05 | asarch | Is there any frostwire program alike without the Java? It is too slow. |
| 17:26.22 | valdyn | !frostwire |
| 17:26.29 | valdyn | asarch: what is frostwire? |
| 17:26.53 | RA3OR | jelly-home: dont get me wrong, im asking because i dont know how to fix it under unix, im at the point where im learning |
| 17:26.54 | asarch | valdyn: Is Limewire for Linux. Check Automatix |
| 17:27.31 | {Nathan} | asarch: you can use torrents... |
| 17:27.51 | valdyn | torrents are better.. just for big files |
| 17:28.05 | {Nathan} | valdyn: what are you using it for? |
| 17:28.14 | asarch | {Nathan}: I have problem with torrent, they make my conection disconnect every two or three minuts |
| 17:28.16 | valdyn | {Nathan}: big files |
| 17:28.31 | valdyn | asarch: who does? |
| 17:28.35 | {Nathan} | valdyn: nm, wrong person |
| 17:28.39 | wols_ | asarch: get a proper router |
| 17:28.42 | asarch | {Nathan}: FYO you can also download with Frostwire |
| 17:29.05 | {Nathan} | asarch: what do you usually use frostwire for? |
| 17:29.13 | asarch | wols_: Somebody told me that it was because the stack get overflow (or something like that) |
| 17:29.24 | asarch | {Nathan}: Download music |
| 17:29.24 | jelly-home | RA3OR: I can't teach integral calculus to someone whos very good in middle school, so trust me: you CAN'T fix it without upgrading, or without _very_ good experience in building from source, debian dependencies and general sysadmin troubleshooting |
| 17:29.28 | wols_ | asarch: the tcpip stack maybe |
| 17:29.28 | valdyn | asarch: that is silly |
| 17:29.34 | wols_ | basically, your router is too weak |
| 17:29.43 | asarch | It happend with Azureus |
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| 17:29.50 | {Nathan} | asarch: you might want to look at g2p.org -- google to peer. It's an interesting site that does nothing more than search google. Check it out. |
| 17:29.53 | valdyn | asarch: use a different tool |
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| 17:29.57 | jelly-home | RA3OR: the current state of your machine is "in the middle of an upgrade" |
| 17:30.09 | mikeyman77 | is anyone using debian lenny as a dekstop? |
| 17:30.09 | wols_ | asarch: what rouer or broadband modem do you have? |
| 17:30.10 | valdyn | asarch: rtorrent or whatever, i dont believe this is your router only and necessarily |
| 17:30.19 | asarch | ...and with ktorrent, and the other torrent clients |
| 17:30.19 | wols_ | !tell mikeyman77 about ask |
| 17:30.21 | asarch | 2WIRE |
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| 17:30.33 | asarch | mikeyman77: Me |
| 17:30.34 | wols_ | asarch: get a proper router |
| 17:30.39 | valdyn | not like torrents really load the tcp stack necessarily |
| 17:30.50 | jelly-home | RA3OR: whether you like it or not, there is no sane way of keeping it that way and making your apache/php/mysql app work again |
| 17:30.53 | purplepenguins | I can read unicode, hooray |
| 17:30.57 | wols_ | valdyn: consumer routers going tits up due to torrents is very vrey common |
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| 17:31.17 | RA3OR | jelly-home: i need another solution, upgrading - cant do atm |
| 17:31.18 | valdyn | wols_: so people can reduce the amount of connections their program makes |
| 17:31.38 | jelly-home | RA3OR: the other solution is to restore the machine from backups |
| 17:31.38 | Coweater | streaming stuff like to kill them to, useless junk routers |
| 17:31.40 | valdyn | wols_: or maybe they cant, being clueless |
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| 17:31.54 | SoftIce | please can somebody tell me on their point of view, why would anyone use ubuntu over debian? what is the actual point of ubuntu if its a mimic of debian? |
| 17:32.07 | purplepenguins | it is easier for people who need gui's to use |
| 17:32.08 | valdyn | SoftIce: it isnt a mimic |
| 17:32.08 | wols_ | SoftIce: wrong channel to ask |
| 17:32.14 | jelly-home | SoftIce: it's not a mimic, it's built upon Debian. |
| 17:32.17 | purplepenguins | that is my idea anyway |
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| 17:32.21 | purplepenguins | also faster release cycle |
| 17:32.38 | purplepenguins | ask #ubuntu for more details |
| 17:32.44 | valdyn | SoftIce: ubuntu adds to debian and removes from debian at the same time. You have to evaluate for yourself if this is what you want |
| 17:32.48 | SoftIce | well i'm asking debian people :) |
| 17:33.05 | purplepenguins | I don't see why someone would use Ubuntu...Debian is a good distro |
| 17:33.06 | jelly-home | RA3OR: FWIW, you've already started upgrading it and there's no going back |
| 17:33.20 | wols_ | SoftIce: but we cannot tell you why someone would use ubuntu over debian. we already made the choice for debian |
| 17:33.21 | acu | Nathan: where did you buy your Nintendo DS - I found it at BestBuy with $120 (which is more than I want to pay) |
| 17:33.24 | RA3OR | jelly-home: http://paste.prco23.org/5853 |
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| 17:33.29 | h3sp4wn | SoftIce: At this moment I cannot see a reason (unless you really wanted gnome 2.18) |
| 17:33.30 | wols_ | if you want a argument for ubuntu, ask ubuntu people |
| 17:33.45 | purplepenguins | i actually run windows, I just hang out here for the giggles |
| 17:33.47 | wols_ | !tell acu about OT |
| 17:33.48 | SoftIce | i'm not in favour of ubuntu |
| 17:34.02 | purplepenguins | what is this apt that people talk about ? :P |
| 17:34.03 | wols_ | SoftIce: but you ask a in favour of ubuntu question |
| 17:34.27 | jelly-home | RA3OR: I can't tell you anything that wasn't already said, sorry |
| 17:34.43 | valdyn | SoftIce: go into a windows channel and ask them the same question |
| 17:34.58 | purplepenguins | good idea |
| 17:35.02 | purplepenguins | let's spam #windows |
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| 17:35.43 | valdyn | or ask a mercedes vendor why you should buy a bmw ;) |
| 17:35.45 | pngwn | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:35.57 | DawnLight | no purplepenguins, we don't want to get ourselves banned from #windows! |
| 17:35.58 | SoftIce | no, i'm unsure of their product, as alot of packages are missing, aswell as the fact, that anything other than what is in main archive isn't supported. and then I have to rely on people that are busy to keep security up to date on universe, etc |
| 17:36.21 | HyperDevi | i have done a apt-get install gnome on a etch machine, but x is not installed.. .. |
| 17:36.27 | wols_ | SoftIce: that's all nice and well but totally OT in debian |
| 17:36.33 | valdyn | HyperDevi: that's expected, gnome doesnt need X |
| 17:36.36 | purplepenguins | my sarcasm generator isn't powerful enough.. |
| 17:36.42 | valdyn | HyperDevi: apt-get install x-window-system-core |
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| 17:36.48 | wols_ | HyperDevi: apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 17:37.05 | purplepenguins | apt-get install vista-desktop |
| 17:37.11 | wols_ | purplepenguins: more like your "jokes" are shit and not funny |
| 17:37.13 | HyperDevi | haha ok thanks.. |
| 17:37.19 | DawnLight | ultimate... |
| 17:37.25 | purplepenguins | that is harsh |
| 17:37.36 | wols_ | truth hurts |
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| 17:37.52 | DawnLight | truth is the most wonderful |
| 17:37.52 | RIAA_ | Get the filthy stinking refugees out of Ireland. Scum Romanians and Pakis are plague of society. Go home you scum. 88. |
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| 17:37.59 | RIAA_ | Get the filthy stinking refugees out of Ireland. Scum Romanians and Pakis are plague of society. Go home you scum. 88. |
| 17:38.05 | DawnLight | whats that? |
| 17:38.06 | h3sp4wn | !ops RIAA_ |
| 17:38.06 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: h3sp4wn complains about: RIAA_ |
| 17:38.07 | RIAA_ | Get the filthy stinking refugees out of Ireland. Scum Romanians and Pakis are plague of society. Go home you scum. 88. |
| 17:38.07 | wols_ | !ops RIAA_ is a racist |
| 17:38.07 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: wols_ complains about: RIAA_ is a racist |
| 17:38.11 | RIAA_ | Get the filthy stinking refugees out of Ireland. Scum Romanians and Pakis are plague of society. Go home you scum. 88. |
| 17:38.15 | RIAA_ | Get the filthy stinking refugees out of Ireland. Scum Romanians and Pakis are plague of society. Go home you scum. 88. |
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| 17:38.16 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@sense-sea-MegaSub-1-209.oz.net] by peterS |
| 17:38.16 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
| 17:38.21 | wols_ | thank you |
| 17:38.32 | RichiH | klined |
| 17:38.36 | RA3OR | anyone bother if i ping -f -s 10000 216.39.144.209 ? |
| 17:38.40 | xingu | wow, that was pretty hard core |
| 17:38.46 | Kensome | 2 laptops 400 ea. 1 xbox 360 for 300, 1 ps3 with 3 games, extra controller 500, 1 nintendo ds with game 100$ livraiison/shiiping incl msn: mberrelley@telusmail.net |
| 17:38.46 | wols_ | RA3OR: yes. don't do it |
| 17:38.49 | purplepenguins | don't know what ip is that |
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| 17:38.54 | *** mode/#debian [-b %*!*@sense-sea-MegaSub-1-209.oz.net] by peterS |
| 17:38.55 | DawnLight | is that a racism-bot? |
| 17:38.57 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
| 17:39.01 | DawnLight | can i download one? |
| 17:39.08 | RA3OR | its riaa's ip |
| 17:39.14 | purplepenguins | oh |
| 17:39.24 | purplepenguins | probably won't do anything |
| 17:39.24 | wols_ | RA3OR: that's still no reason |
| 17:39.33 | DawnLight | whats RIAA remind me? |
| 17:39.39 | wols_ | and if you do it, you should be klined as well |
| 17:39.40 | peterS | DawnLight: a troll, apparently |
| 17:39.57 | RA3OR | wols_: i was just kidding, dude |
| 17:40.08 | purplepenguins | hmm, with such a pleasant nick to evoke sympathy |
| 17:40.08 | HyperDevi | how can i configure x, it wont start? |
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| 17:40.13 | asarch | What version of kde does testing have? |
| 17:40.24 | wols_ | asarch: check pdo |
| 17:40.26 | RA3OR | seems that installing php*, deleted my iloha documentroot |
| 17:40.32 | wols_ | !tell HyperDevi about drxx |
| 17:40.33 | asarch | wols_: PDO? |
| 17:40.39 | wols_ | !pdo |
| 17:40.39 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 17:40.43 | DawnLight | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RIAA |
| 17:40.49 | jelly-home | !nickometer G03bb3l5 |
| 17:40.50 | dpkg | 'G03bb3l5' is 67.000% lame, jelly-home |
| 17:40.56 | xingu | not only a troll, but one that needs to do a little light reading; I'd suggest starting with history, irish potato famine, european effects on imigration and emigration |
| 17:40.57 | asarch | wols_: Thanks!!! |
| 17:41.28 | jelly-home | xingu: what's history for, if not to be repeated? |
| 17:41.32 | purplepenguins | trolls are not usually well-versed in the object of their troll, being that one who has a decent argument usually doesn't resort to racist remarks |
| 17:41.33 | peterS | DawnLight: why is that useful? |
| 17:41.41 | xingu | jelly-home: history doesn't repeat, but it does rhyme |
| 17:41.44 | DawnLight | and perhaps to chill out a bit, relax... spam?? |
| 17:42.22 | {Nathan} | acu: You still here? |
| 17:42.24 | smcavoy | HyperDevi: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 17:43.03 | HyperDevi | no screens found? :\ |
| 17:43.10 | peterS | also, posting a wikipedia link that is actually a redirect proves you didn't put much thought into it |
| 17:43.19 | buscon | Hi, I need to modify the updating of grub that apt does when you install a new kernel - in other words I wanna append some stuff to menu.lst as a default behaviour when I install a new kernel |
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| 17:43.39 | peterS | buscon: fortunately, menu.lst has comments in it that indicate exactly how to do that |
| 17:43.49 | smcavoy | HyperDevi: paste the output to #flood or pastebin.ca |
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| 17:44.22 | purplepenguins | there is a #flood on freenode? |
| 17:44.33 | xand | yes, a silly channel imo |
| 17:44.39 | purplepenguins | I don't see the point |
| 17:44.44 | purplepenguins | it would get abused pretty easily |
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| 17:44.47 | buscon | peterS, now I take a look |
| 17:44.53 | xand | abused? it's designed for abuse ;) |
| 17:44.58 | smcavoy | purplepenguins: better #flood then here :) |
| 17:45.00 | purplepenguins | pastebin is a nice place to put things |
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| 17:46.30 | HyperDevi | VESA: No matching modes, screens found but none have a usable configuration ... |
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| 17:46.57 | D1S4ST3R | !de |
| 17:46.57 | dpkg | somebody said de was deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 17:47.01 | cusco | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 17:47.13 | jelly-home | lotsa klines today |
| 17:47.17 | HyperDevi | already done that 3 times, still it wont work |
| 17:47.30 | asarch | Is debian pkg's compiled for i686? |
| 17:47.32 | en1gma | im doing the debian install without the "Desktop" option...my question is what is the proper way to get to the console with the debian dvd mounted |
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| 17:47.51 | mnguyen | Anybody here using Beryl and the latest Nvidia drivers? Beryl keeps on freezing my system =| |
| 17:47.53 | en1gma | do i reboot with debian install dvd in and somehow continue to the console |
| 17:47.53 | jelly-home | asarch: no, most of them are for 486 |
| 17:47.58 | jetscreamer | alt f2 en1gma |
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| 17:48.11 | en1gma | or do i remove the dvd and boot to console then mount the dvd to continue to install kde desktop |
| 17:48.13 | jetscreamer | or ctrl alt f2 if graphical installer |
| 17:48.37 | en1gma | alt-f2 with dvd in? |
| 17:48.39 | jetscreamer | sometimes just the left side works |
| 17:48.39 | en1gma | on reboot |
| 17:49.00 | acu | {Nathan} Can you look on private chat - I am back |
| 17:49.03 | en1gma | cause when i get to console with no dvd on reboot...then insert the dvd and try to mount it i get errors |
| 17:49.09 | jelly-home | is there a way to install a different arch with debootstrap? |
| 17:49.14 | cusco | mnguyen: your system or X only? |
| 17:49.26 | cusco | mnguyen: are you using fglrx? |
| 17:49.31 | mnguyen | cusco: it freezes the whole system, but i SSH in and kill beryl and it works again |
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| 17:49.48 | cusco | then its not the whole system (if you can ssh) |
| 17:49.48 | mnguyen | cusco: yah |
| 17:49.48 | en1gma | right now im at the console login screen with no debian dvd in dvdrom |
| 17:49.58 | m3t3or | hi |
| 17:50.09 | mnguyen | cusco: well i can't do ctrl-alt-f1 - f6 |
| 17:50.26 | cusco | mnguyen: next time press ctrl + alt + backspace |
| 17:50.26 | mnguyen | cusco: tried that too... no go |
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| 17:50.46 | mnguyen | cusco: but either way... i really want to use beryl... i just can't figure out why it's freezing on me |
| 17:51.05 | cusco | I just installed Xgl and beryl too.. Im having the same exept I can kill X by pressing ctrl + alt + backspace |
| 17:51.12 | cusco | me neither |
| 17:51.13 | cusco | :( |
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| 17:51.55 | jelly-home | my beryl from svn works... but I don't see the point in it :-) |
| 17:52.03 | RA3OR | can some1 tell me where is my ilohamail sources? |
| 17:52.42 | wols_ | RA3OR: dpkg -L. man dpkg |
| 17:53.43 | wols_ | en1gma: simply fix your sources.list then apt-get update;apt-get install kde |
| 17:53.43 | wols_ | done |
| 17:53.49 | cusco | jelly-home: yea.. I was using it all happy.. and feeling like "I need to tell everyone about it" but nobody cares...! :P |
| 17:53.55 | cusco | so there is just no use for it |
| 17:55.06 | en1gma | so what is the correct way to install KDE when i installed debian without the "Desktop" option? right now im sitting at the console login screen with no dvd in drive |
| 17:55.30 | xand | en1gma: didn't we tell you that already? |
| 17:55.35 | en1gma | do i just use aptitude to get kde and other compnents to make it work and then it will ask me for debian dvd |
| 17:55.43 | en1gma | yes i am doing it right now |
| 17:55.43 | jelly-home | cusco: that might have been a subtle hint to try a newer version... I've has some strange problem with refreshing windows until I installed Xorg 7.2 |
| 17:55.53 | xand | so why are you asking again? :P |
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| 17:56.09 | en1gma | im getting ready to use aptitude right now...im just wondering do i need to mount the debian dvd |
| 17:56.10 | D1S4ST3R | hello |
| 17:56.24 | en1gma | cause i get errors when i try to mount it |
| 17:56.29 | D1S4ST3R | i think that i uninstalled my soundcard |
| 17:56.31 | xand | what errors? |
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| 17:56.38 | D1S4ST3R | alexander@debian:/proc$ cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 17:56.38 | D1S4ST3R | --- no soundcards --- |
| 17:56.40 | en1gma | something about hdc buffer errors |
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| 17:56.49 | en1gma | if my memory serves me correctly |
| 17:56.58 | mnguyen | Also anybody else who has problems with the gnome-screensaver freezing their computer? =| |
| 17:57.00 | cusco | jelly-home: you're using aiglx? Im using Xgl |
| 17:57.04 | en1gma | or do i do the aptitiude command and wait for it to ask for the debian dvd |
| 17:57.06 | peterS | hmmm, he is 99.3 percent |
| 17:57.16 | wintix | en1gma: debian will automount the dvd if it's needed by apt-get/aptitude. |
| 17:57.17 | jelly-home | cusco: aiglx, sotty |
| 17:57.29 | en1gma | so i wait for it to ask me right |
| 17:57.33 | jelly-home | tr/t/r/ ;-) |
| 17:57.35 | en1gma | then insert it. |
| 17:57.38 | cusco | mnguyen: I had that on the past, I thought it was for the screensaver going random. I just selected one that did not freeze and stuck with it |
| 17:57.42 | D1S4ST3R | lspci | grep -i audio |
| 17:57.42 | D1S4ST3R | 00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation nForce3 250Gb AC'97 Audio Controller (rev a1) |
| 17:57.49 | en1gma | i dont insert the debian dvd before i run aptitude |
| 17:57.52 | en1gma | and try to mount it |
| 17:57.54 | D1S4ST3R | how can i install the soundcard |
| 17:57.55 | {Nathan} | KDM starts and runs just fine on both monitors, but once I log in I see the mouse and a black screen, then it returns to KDM. Any ideas on how to fix this? |
| 17:57.57 | wintix | en1gma: you could of course just get rid of the dvd and tell apt in the /etc/sources.list to only use online mirrors. |
| 17:58.07 | asarch | D1S4ST3R: apt-get install alsa? |
| 17:58.17 | en1gma | well i would like that but i dont know how to use VI in consoles |
| 17:58.27 | cusco | en1gma: apt-cdrom add |
| 17:58.27 | en1gma | if mc would work i would use that maybe |
| 17:58.30 | cusco | and insert the dvd |
| 17:58.34 | D1S4ST3R | it is installed |
| 17:58.35 | cusco | done! |
| 17:58.36 | jelly-home | cusco: the guys here at work have just bought nvidia cards for the machines at work to have compiz/beryl running decently |
| 17:58.37 | wintix | en1gma: quite simple. and. install vim :) |
| 17:58.37 | peterS | D1S4ST3R: try loading the 'snd-intel8x0' module |
| 17:58.39 | en1gma | well i think the dvd is added already |
| 17:58.42 | en1gma | i used it to install |
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| 17:58.54 | D1S4ST3R | where do iget that? |
| 17:59.01 | peterS | D1S4ST3R: type 'modprobe snd-intel8x0' |
| 17:59.02 | en1gma | lol |
| 17:59.05 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:59.07 | peterS | /\ |
| 17:59.08 | peterS | oy |
| 17:59.19 | D1S4ST3R | bash: modprobe: command not found |
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| 17:59.29 | jelly-home | peterS: is that a lolman? |
| 17:59.29 | cusco | jelly-home: at work? LOL what do you work on? taking pictures of computer screens? :p |
| 17:59.35 | peterS | jelly-home: yeah but my space key stuck |
| 17:59.37 | wintix | D1S4ST3R: get root and type alsaconf (only if alsa is installed) |
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| 17:59.56 | wintix | dimm0k: that will take care of the sound setup |
| 17:59.56 | wols_ | dimm0k: you must be root |
| 18:00.00 | peterS | D1S4ST3R: you have a problem. either you aren't logged in as root or you don't have the module-init-tools package installed |
| 18:00.02 | wintix | dimm0k: err. |
| 18:00.10 | D1S4ST3R | No supported PnP or PCI card found |
| 18:00.20 | liable | peterS: i think your lolman has hemaroids |
| 18:00.20 | jelly-home | cusco: no, but it's really nice when X apps don't need to refresh when you switch desktops |
| 18:00.23 | wintix | D1S4ST3R: does alsaconf tell you that? |
| 18:00.26 | peterS | D1S4ST3R: what kernel version are you running? 'uname -r' will tell. |
| 18:00.28 | D1S4ST3R | yes |
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| 18:00.37 | wols_ | dimm0k: debian etch? |
| 18:00.40 | D1S4ST3R | 2.6.18-4-amd64 |
| 18:00.47 | RA3OR | wols_: i mean, /Ilohamail/sources/ were my webmail DocumentRoot folder |
| 18:00.49 | leafw | how can one capture the PID of a launched job in a shell script, so that after a second job the first one that was in the background can be killed? |
| 18:00.50 | RA3OR | and now its gone |
| 18:00.59 | peterS | D1S4ST3R: so did you try the modprobe again, running as root? |
| 18:01.14 | purplepenguins | sounds like a job for fork |
| 18:01.16 | wols_ | RA3OR: how did you install ilohamail? from a .deb? |
| 18:01.20 | purplepenguins | heh, not really |
| 18:01.23 | jelly-home | cusco: it was actually useful (contradicting my previous statement about the uselessness of beryl) |
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| 18:01.32 | RA3OR | wols_: it was already there |
| 18:01.34 | purplepenguins | is beryl useful? |
| 18:01.45 | wintix | purplepenguins: if you like 3d desktops, yes. |
| 18:01.51 | peterS | I'm sure beryl is useful - if you don't have access to any other window manager |
| 18:01.53 | purplepenguins | I thought it was pretty, but I didn't think it was really useful |
| 18:01.54 | wols_ | RA3OR: ilohamail didn't install on its own. so it was "not already there" |
| 18:01.58 | D1S4ST3R | yes |
| 18:02.03 | D1S4ST3R | modprobe works |
| 18:02.05 | wols_ | RA3OR: anyways: reinstall it |
| 18:02.10 | cusco | jelly-home: ok.. I don't really undertand the use bt ok.. X apps won't get refreshed.. whatever that counts to! |
| 18:02.11 | D1S4ST3R | what do i have to do now? |
| 18:02.26 | wols_ | RA3OR: btw: it's not just gone either. your actions deleted it, no one else |
| 18:02.28 | peterS | D1S4ST3R: ok then. so your sound probably works now. if so, add the line "snd-intel8x0" to your /etc/modules file, so it will get loaded next time you boot |
| 18:02.37 | jelly-home | purplepenguins: it's a marked usability improvement if you use virtual desktops/multiple workspaces |
| 18:02.43 | RA3OR | wols_: what actions? i just installed php5-mysql |
| 18:02.51 | D1S4ST3R | FATAL: Module snd_intel8x0 not found |
| 18:02.58 | RA3OR | MY actions, your tellings |
| 18:03.02 | purplepenguins | That is nice, I don't use those though |
| 18:03.09 | wols_ | RA3OR: how should we know what you did to fuck up your install? we're not psychic |
| 18:03.12 | jelly-home | cusco: it means they don't blink when you change workspace, they're instantly available |
| 18:03.16 | peterS | D1S4ST3R: oh you said it worked. that is odd, I wonder why kernel 2.6.18-4-amd64 doesn't have that module |
| 18:03.16 | wols_ | RA3OR: your actions |
| 18:03.19 | wols_ | nothing else |
| 18:03.29 | xingu | jelly-home: that stuff is *really* nice on the quadro's; the hw is designed for each window to be a discrete viewport and gl context. |
| 18:03.50 | wols_ | peterS: it's renamed. snd-ac97 or so IIRC |
| 18:03.52 | RA3OR | so, let me guess, a php* install in debian deletes a ilohamail folder? |
| 18:03.54 | D1S4ST3R | maybe i deleted them.... |
| 18:03.54 | wols_ | intel8x0 is the old name |
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| 18:04.14 | peterS | wols_: eh? it is not. snd-ac97-codec is a separate module |
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| 18:04.19 | wols_ | RA3OR: no. idiots who mix different debian vresions fzuck up their systems |
| 18:04.26 | peterS | wols_: run 'modinfo snd-intel8x0' if you don't believe me |
| 18:04.29 | wols_ | peterS: my bad then |
| 18:04.40 | cusco | jelly-home: what good is it then? :/ |
| 18:04.43 | purplepenguins | my hardware is a simple lot, I like simple but powerful WM's |
| 18:04.46 | D1S4ST3R | modinfo: could not find module snd-intel8x0 |
| 18:04.49 | RA3OR | wols_: i think you've offended alot of ppl here, but not me |
| 18:05.06 | jelly-home | cusco: that's one thing I found nice. |
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| 18:05.14 | wols_ | RA3OR: have fun fixing your problems |
| 18:05.22 | RA3OR | wols_: you should type something helpfull, not tell me i fucked up, already know that |
| 18:05.32 | RA3OR | wols_: thank you, now go away |
| 18:05.43 | wols_ | RA3OR: I and sevreal other people told you what to do. you ignore our advice for hours now |
| 18:05.46 | cusco | jelly-home: ok ok.. dont interpret me wrong! |
| 18:05.55 | jelly-home | RA3OR: he's already suggested two sensible courses of action - restore, or upgrade. |
| 18:05.57 | peterS | D1S4ST3R: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=linux-image-2.6.18-4-amd64&version=stable&arch=amd64&page=31&number=50 lists snd-intel8x0 as being present |
| 18:06.10 | pickcoder | petemc: it is |
| 18:06.12 | wols_ | RA3OR: and since we know you don't have backups: upgrade to etch properly |
| 18:06.13 | pickcoder | gah |
| 18:06.17 | pickcoder | ~peterS |
| 18:06.29 | apt | i heard peters is tired |
| 18:06.29 | RA3OR | jelly-home: cant restore, cant upgrade |
| 18:06.29 | xingu | jelly-home: the expose-a-like and window previews are pretty nice too; and the cube is a quite functional way to manage a desktop pager |
| 18:06.29 | jelly-home | cusco: can't go wrong with eyecandy! |
| 18:06.35 | purplepenguins | why can't you upgrade though? |
| 18:06.38 | purplepenguins | hello apt |
| 18:06.46 | pickcoder | it's on my AMD64 box |
| 18:06.47 | RA3OR | anyway, i dont get how a whole dir is gone |
| 18:06.54 | purplepenguins | our favorite getting and caching friend |
| 18:07.02 | D1S4ST3R | ok i will try to reinstall the kernel |
| 18:07.04 | jelly-home | xingu: my current workspaces are arranged in a 3x3 grid, the cube can't handle that :-| |
| 18:07.19 | purplepenguins | do you have a monitor for each? that would be hawt |
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| 18:07.22 | peterS | D1S4ST3R: also, are you running Debian i386 or Debian amd64? (to find out: dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH) |
| 18:07.33 | D1S4ST3R | amd64 |
| 18:07.41 | schme | Does it have to be a cube? Can't you make it into a 9-sided thingie? |
| 18:07.45 | jelly-home | xingu: the alt-tab stuff is nice, but not really necessary for me |
| 18:07.48 | xingu | jelly-home: true; I've only ever used 2x2 squares myself anyway |
| 18:07.58 | wols_ | D1S4ST3R: grep CONFIG_SND_INTEL8X0 /boot/config-2.6.1* |
| 18:08.01 | xingu | jelly-home: I rather like the window previews on taskbar hover |
| 18:08.04 | purplepenguins | it would cease to be a triangle if it had 9 sides |
| 18:08.18 | jelly-home | xingu: heh, I've gone from 2x2 fvwm to 2x2 and 2x3 afterstep and now I'm at 3x3 xfce. :-) |
| 18:08.19 | peterS | what's wrong with a 9-sided triangle? |
| 18:08.22 | xingu | jelly-home: nice way to check for progress |
| 18:08.28 | D1S4ST3R | CONFIG_SND_INTEL8X0=m |
| 18:08.29 | D1S4ST3R | CONFIG_SND_INTEL8X0M=m |
| 18:08.29 | xingu | jelly-home: or completion in a term |
| 18:08.39 | purplepenguins | I want my desktop on a spherical surface |
| 18:08.43 | pickcoder | peterS: nothing as long as you don't call it a triangle |
| 18:08.44 | purplepenguins | not a cube |
| 18:08.47 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 18:08.47 | peterS | D1S4ST3R: right, so that module _should_ be around. yeah, try 'aptitude reinstall linux-image-2.6.18-4-amd64' |
| 18:08.56 | purplepenguins | then I can drag windows around so that they meet themselves again |
| 18:09.00 | jelly-home | xingu: maybe I should have less things opened at the same time. :-) |
| 18:09.07 | schme | I don't want windows to start off with. |
| 18:09.12 | D1S4ST3R | i did ;) |
| 18:09.15 | schme | Just stuff full screen and eas switching between 'em. |
| 18:09.16 | D1S4ST3R | I was faster :P |
| 18:09.17 | schme | Great. |
| 18:09.18 | peterS | argh. less _stuff_, fewer _things_. |
| 18:09.36 | D1S4ST3R | modprobe snd_intel8x0 doesn't give an errror |
| 18:09.38 | purplepenguins | I need to see my background though |
| 18:09.42 | {Nathan} | KDM starts and runs just fine on both monitors, but once I log in I see the mouse and a black screen, then it returns to KDM. Any ideas on how to fix this? |
| 18:09.43 | xingu | jelly-home: nb; per a link I found a while back, popping __GL_SYNC_TO_VBLANK=1 into /etc/environment can give your cpu a real breather |
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| 18:09.47 | jelly-home | RA3OR: well, then you're fucked. :-) |
| 18:09.48 | D1S4ST3R | so i think that i will work |
| 18:09.53 | wols_ | D1S4ST3R: that is good. that means it's loaded. no message = success |
| 18:09.54 | peterS | D1S4ST3R: good deal - does it show up in /proc/asound/cards etc now? |
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| 18:09.56 | schme | purplepenguins: Why do you want to see your background? :) |
| 18:10.01 | wols_ | D1S4ST3R: you can check with "lsmod" |
| 18:10.09 | purplepenguins | because I like my wallpapers |
| 18:10.17 | schme | Good one. |
| 18:10.17 | purplepenguins | also I use conky and leave myself notes on it |
| 18:10.18 | Alledala | Anyone with a good movietip? |
| 18:10.34 | D1S4ST3R | debian:/home/alexander# cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 18:10.34 | D1S4ST3R | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:10.34 | D1S4ST3R | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:10.41 | D1S4ST3R | yes it is ;) |
| 18:10.42 | cusco | killall -9 beryl |
| 18:10.43 | D1S4ST3R | thx |
| 18:10.43 | peterS | wols_: not quite - in today's world, a module will successfully load even if it doesn't find hardware. (this was not always true, but it is true today, because there is always the possibility of loading a module which will be needed _later_ when you hot-plug hardware) |
| 18:10.59 | Alledala | guess not |
| 18:11.15 | purplepenguins | add modules you don't want to your handy dandy udev blacklist |
| 18:11.25 | schme | Hrm.. All I find is some system monitor named conky. |
| 18:11.26 | wols_ | peterS: why can't modprobe then load the equireed module when it's actually needed? |
| 18:11.31 | peterS | cusco: why would you use -9? does beryl not die with a regular TERM signal? if so, that would be a bug |
| 18:11.33 | xingu | jelly-home: some of the eyecandy stuff will run the cpu full throttle without it; no point setting up >60Hz worth of scenes for your desktop... |
| 18:11.35 | mnguyen | Anybody here using Debian Etch and got Beryl 0.2.0 w/ nvidia drivers working? |
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| 18:11.48 | wols_ | mnguyen: ask your real question |
| 18:11.50 | peterS | wols_: it can. but the point is, module loading and hardware detection are no longer tightly linked |
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| 18:12.22 | wols_ | peterS: the more I find out about udev, the more I hate :) |
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| 18:12.30 | jelly-home | RA3OR: my opinion is, if "making things work" is preferred to "can't upgrade", then an upgrade of important pieces of the system (apache and php packages, maybe some dependencies) would be the way I'd go |
| 18:12.37 | D1S4ST3R | ok i will do a restart |
| 18:12.39 | mnguyen | wols_: well basically beryl is freezing my comp =| |
| 18:12.55 | purplepenguins | hmm, my computer is using 300 megs of memory |
| 18:12.56 | jelly-home | mnguyen: it might just freeze the display |
| 18:12.56 | wols_ | jelly-home: did he say why he can't upgrade? |
| 18:13.00 | purplepenguins | this doesn't bode well |
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| 18:13.19 | RA3OR | jelly-home: I need permission to upgrade the operating system |
| 18:13.30 | jelly-home | RA3OR: well, you already broke it |
| 18:13.37 | RA3OR | jelly-home: in order to do that, i need it in running shape |
| 18:13.43 | wols_ | by upgrading I might add |
| 18:13.49 | mnguyen | jelly-home: you're probably right |
| 18:13.49 | peterS | wols_: I am not a fan of udev, but it gets a lot of flack that is not really its fault. udev merely implements the kernel device model, and it is the kernel device model that people really dislike. that is: the fact that module loading and device detection/initialisation are not synchronized, so you can't know a device is actually ready for use just because modprobe finished, you have to be notified in some separate step ... |
| 18:13.56 | peterS | ... (or hard-code a short sleep that you assume will be long enough) |
| 18:13.56 | RA3OR | jelly-home: apache2 + php (either one) |
| 18:14.12 | RA3OR | jelly-home: seems /usr/share/IlohaMail/ is gone |
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| 18:14.27 | wols_ | peterS: udev -could_ be a nice thing and a great bread slicer and all. but in its current incarnation, I think it's shit. period. not so much a design thing but mostly the implementation |
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| 18:14.50 | peterS | it's a hard thing to get right |
| 18:15.08 | jelly-home | RA3OR: that's a new problem, apache & php packages don't have anything to do with /usr/share/IlohaMail |
| 18:15.10 | wols_ | yes, but the clusterfuck that is dev, devfs and now udev is simply a disgrace, period |
| 18:15.27 | peterS | forcing the world to rely on asynchronous notifications when the world cares about stuff being ready is quite an uphill battle |
| 18:15.42 | peterS | since the world thinks it can just call modprobe and then immediately start using the disk or the network or whatever |
| 18:15.43 | jelly-home | wols_: udev works in RHEL4... I didn't even know it was there. |
| 18:15.47 | RA3OR | jelly-home: i know that, but my webmail docroot points to that and .. its gone |
| 18:15.56 | wols_ | but then. Linux hw handling is still better than how windows handles it all... |
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| 18:16.47 | jelly-home | wols_: the RH folks might have been smart to exclude udev from df output |
| 18:16.52 | jelly-home | :-) |
| 18:17.02 | wols_ | RA3OR: you changed php. ilohamail dependoned on that old php package which was removed. apt told you that it will remove ilohamail and you didn not notice it. so now it's gone. So you removed ilohamail and no one else |
| 18:17.21 | vezult | why isn't php5-cgi in etch built with fastcgi support? |
| 18:17.22 | wols_ | xingu: what is picld? another abomination? |
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| 18:17.36 | xingu | wols_: it's a sunos 8+ thing. |
| 18:17.52 | wols_ | solaris is dying :P |
| 18:18.05 | jelly-home | wols_: not really... but Sun might be |
| 18:18.12 | peterS | yeah, some days after BSD dies, no doubt Solaris will die |
| 18:18.18 | wols_ | if sun dies, so will solaris. look at irix |
| 18:18.34 | jelly-home | wols_: they have the nifty zsf and DTrace tools, and a decent OpenSolaris community |
| 18:18.40 | en1gma | hey all i did this command at console to install kde aptitude install kdebase kdm xserver-xorg-core x-window-system-core" and i noticed when i do a 'df -h' swap isnt showing any usage |
| 18:18.42 | wols_ | it will be a zombie for a long time of ocurse, but it will also be dead. see irxi, vms, etc |
| 18:18.44 | jelly-home | I'm confident Slaris won't die any time soon |
| 18:18.45 | wols_ | all the same fate |
| 18:19.01 | en1gma | is the command for swapon 'swapon /dev/hda5 |
| 18:19.01 | jelly-home | wols_: IRIX wasn't open sources |
| 18:19.02 | jelly-home | s/s$/d/ |
| 18:19.08 | peterS | wols_: those are only "dead" if you count a userbase numbering many many thousands as "dead" |
| 18:19.15 | wols_ | solaris is open sourced since it can't survive otherwise. basically it's desperation |
| 18:19.25 | wols_ | same reason why novell bought suse |
| 18:19.25 | jelly-home | no argument there |
| 18:19.37 | peterS | and why are we talking about Solaris, anyway? |
| 18:19.45 | wols_ | peterS: I am sure there are lots of amigaos users still. or C64 users. those OSes are still dead tho |
| 18:19.52 | en1gma | how do i turn swap on for /dev/hda5 |
| 18:19.53 | jelly-home | peterS: um, Debian GNU/Solaris? :-) |
| 18:19.56 | purplepenguins | I agree with the argument that Solaris would die otherwise, but I don't necessarily see Solaris dying after being opensourced |
| 18:19.59 | wols_ | peterS: cause it's fun to gloat :P |
| 18:20.00 | xingu | because at some point all unix hotplug begins to turn into grey goo |
| 18:20.02 | peterS | dead, meaning, wols_ no longer cares about them |
| 18:20.26 | wols_ | peterS: I never ever cared about c64, amiga or solaris. and that was back when they were the king of the hills |
| 18:20.29 | peterS | jelly-home: that would be Nexenta, and it is plagued with fundamental GPL violations |
| 18:20.48 | DawnLight | can anyone say these are? 111/tcp open rpcbind 2 (rpc #100000) |
| 18:20.48 | DawnLight | 113/tcp open ident OpenBSD identd |
| 18:20.48 | jelly-home | peterS: I know, and yet they seem to gleefully ignore them |
| 18:20.50 | purplepenguins | gpl violations? |
| 18:21.00 | xingu | having said that I don't have any issues at all with udev; it's a typically linux thing, it'll always be part broken and getting better. |
| 18:21.12 | wols_ | DawnLight: portmapper and ident. chances are you don#t need them (unless you do e.g. NFS) |
| 18:21.28 | peterS | purplepenguins: yes. the Nexenta people seem to believe they can ignore them because, well, who cares anyway. the only people who care are some of the copyright holders of dpkg, which Nexenta uses |
| 18:21.57 | wols_ | xingu: some things on linux are vrey vrey good and done right(tm). udev is not one of them imho :) |
| 18:22.13 | DawnLight | thanks wols_ |
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| 18:22.17 | peterS | purplepenguins: the GNU General Public License does not allow you to distribute dpkg with OpenSolaris. that's kind of a problem if you're building a Debian fork based on OpenSolaris |
| 18:22.28 | RA3OR | jelly-home: check apache - > http://paste.prco23.org/5855 |
| 18:22.37 | jelly-home | purplepenguins: dpkg being a crucial part of the OS, and GPL-licensed, which doesn't mix well with incompatibly licensed libc and kernel |
| 18:22.45 | RA3OR | jelly-home: so, it will work with php4? |
| 18:22.48 | DawnLight | what packages are these things, wols_? |
| 18:22.49 | wols_ | peterS: will dpkg and the rest of debian stuff go GPL3? |
| 18:23.12 | purplepenguins | hmm |
| 18:23.15 | wols_ | DawnLight: there are many packages that provide identd support. all have "ident" in rheir name. portmapper is portmapper |
| 18:23.15 | purplepenguins | didn't think of that |
| 18:23.17 | peterS | wols_: I don't know. doesn't matter for this issue, however, the GPL3 isn't likely to be any more permissive than the GPL2 in this regard |
| 18:23.39 | xingu | wols: the problems folk seem to have with udev begin and end with devices that are not attached to busses; that's the part broken bit; the getting better bit is that gradually all devices /will/ be attached to busses |
| 18:23.43 | jelly-home | RA3OR: try to enable php4 now (a2enmod php4 I think) |
| 18:23.48 | wols_ | peterS: I thought Sun's CDDL is mainly in violation of the patent caluse stuff since GPL2 doesn't care about patents? |
| 18:23.57 | wols_ | and: sun is GPLing more and more of their stuff too |
| 18:23.58 | RA3OR | ns:/# a2enmod php4 |
| 18:23.59 | RA3OR | This module is already enabled! |
| 18:23.59 | RA3OR | ns:/# |
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| 18:24.05 | jelly-home | RA3OR: and restart apache |
| 18:24.06 | xingu | wols: busses let you do sane things with probe ordering and power management |
| 18:24.12 | peterS | wols_: it's based on the mozilla public license, which has various problems, but I believe patent handling is the big one, yes |
| 18:24.18 | jelly-home | RA3OR: ah, funny |
| 18:24.47 | RA3OR | can that docroot be a shortcut for a folder somewhere else ? |
| 18:25.04 | wols_ | xingu: a big gripe I have with udev is it's black magic. complicated, powerful and really undocumented afaik |
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| 18:25.08 | ustunozgur | http://ianmurdock.com/2007/03/19/joining-sun/ |
| 18:25.19 | xingu | wols: who needs documentation ;) |
| 18:25.26 | RA3OR | jelly-home: http://paste.prco23.org/5856 |
| 18:25.28 | wols_ | and that big udev bug in etch r0 is with harddisks on a nice (sorta) libata bus |
| 18:25.30 | peterS | ustunozgur: uh, what is that link? |
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| 18:25.43 | ustunozgur | Murdock joined Sun |
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| 18:25.50 | jelly-home | RA3OR: hm, is php4 working now? |
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| 18:25.50 | peterS | ustunozgur: what does murdock have to do with debian? |
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| 18:26.03 | wols_ | peterS: nothing anymore |
| 18:26.04 | {Nathan} | KDM starts and runs just fine on both monitors, but once I log in I see the mouse and a black screen, then it returns to KDM. Any ideas on how to fix this? |
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| 18:26.06 | purplepenguins | he founded it once upon a time |
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| 18:26.18 | purplepenguins | but that is kind of irrelevant now |
| 18:26.24 | wols_ | nooneelse: kde or your X server crashes |
| 18:26.37 | wols_ | (nathan): check your logs |
| 18:26.45 | peterS | yeah, ian murdock used to be involved with debian, but that was a long time ago |
| 18:26.46 | wols_ | nathan: and your nick totally sucks |
| 18:26.58 | RA3OR | jelly-home: how can i see? seems its working, forum is working |
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| 18:27.05 | wols_ | !nickometer (Nathan) |
| 18:27.06 | jelly-home | RA3OR: then it's working. |
| 18:27.06 | dpkg | '(Nathan)' is 10.000% lame, wols_ |
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| 18:27.14 | {Nathan} | wols_: The log has nothing in it. |
| 18:27.15 | peterS | I guess Progeny didn't officially fold until last month, but I don't think they've done much for Debian for years now |
| 18:27.17 | xingu | wols: the problem there has more to do with confusing bus and device id's with logical namespace. |
| 18:27.34 | wols_ | xingu: tell this to people who can't boot anymore :) |
| 18:27.34 | RA3OR | jelly-home: php is working, hold on, will see if i can connect to remote sql |
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| 18:28.08 | xingu | wols: "always a little broken and getting better" :) |
| 18:28.10 | wols_ | peterS: is there anyone who can make a decent living off debian support or customization? |
| 18:28.22 | ustunozgur | peterS, I just pasted it so that maybe Sun's policies might be following a different path now. |
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| 18:28.47 | wols_ | xingu: call me pampered but I expect Linux to work on the first try. just like it used to in the past |
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| 18:28.55 | apt-apt | Hi Just installed debain. Now all I need to do is replace /home with my original. I loged out of x, went into a terminal and tryed to mv /home to oldhome but I get a message saying resource device busy. I just want to rename the old /home and then replace it with the my backup copy. |
| 18:28.56 | jelly-home | wols_: I get paid for mostly Debian administration here. |
| 18:29.05 | wols_ | if I want the broken stuff I can go back to windows: XP is a lot better than wintendo but ti's still borken |
| 18:29.07 | xingu | wols: linux has never in all my days ever let you get away with not keeping your knowledge current |
| 18:29.09 | wols_ | but it is better |
| 18:29.12 | peterS | ustunozgur: I rather doubt ian murdock will have anything to do with Sun's policies, and if so, it's anyone's guess which direction he would push them |
| 18:29.16 | xingu | wols: there's no qa dept. |
| 18:29.35 | jelly-home | wols_: me and the rest of the unix sysadmins team, 'cept for the Solaris guy :-) |
| 18:30.08 | wols_ | jelly-home: you're inhouse. I meant a biggie company like say RH |
| 18:30.09 | ustunozgur | I am pretty new to Debian (about 1 year). One question I have: From your reactions, it seems that Debian people don't like him anymore, is it the casE? |
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| 18:30.27 | xingu | wols: the bad thing about linux is that sometimes broken things get fixed; the good thing about linux is that sometimes broken things get fixed |
| 18:30.38 | ustunozgur | I mean, a specific thing happened in the past, or so? |
| 18:30.48 | xingu | wols: and however traditional it might be, the blending of bus##device id's with mount namespace is broken |
| 18:31.04 | peterS | huh? I've never met him. but if I did, I think I would like him just fine. he just isn't part of the Debian project, and his words and actions don't really seem to further the Debian project |
| 18:31.05 | jelly-home | wols_: I'm wondering if ubuntu's LTS edition and their commercial support will take hold, that might be the best bet |
| 18:31.10 | RA3OR | jelly-home: saw the second part of the paste? with the favicon.ico ? |
| 18:31.13 | RA3OR | =/ |
| 18:31.18 | wols_ | jelly-home: I guess. even when it's not really debian :) |
| 18:31.18 | ephemeros | apt-apt: i don't know if that's the right way to do that, but did you try to do that as root? |
| 18:31.25 | xingu | wols: that's why every single storage vendor everywhere uses a layer of insulation betwixt the vfs and the block layer; because that precise assumption is busted from the get-go |
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| 18:31.49 | wols_ | jelly-home: but I'm stll skeptical if ubuntu can make a proper profit from it |
| 18:31.50 | anthony_ | !etch->lennt |
| 18:31.50 | peterS | it's not a matter of like/dislike, it's a matter of opinion on what Debian should be and how Debian should interact with the rest of the world. I don't agree with Mr. Murdock on those issues. |
| 18:31.54 | anthony_ | !etch->lenny |
| 18:31.54 | dpkg | Edit your sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. |
| 18:31.56 | apt-apt | ephemeros, ya I did it as root. Is there another way? |
| 18:32.11 | ephemeros | apt-apt: and try to copy, first, than delete the backup, for any trouble |
| 18:32.16 | jelly-home | RA3OR: that's just a 404, figuring out where your sources have gone is a new problem |
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| 18:32.33 | wols_ | peterS: can I read up on his views? I doubt I will be in accord ewith them but always an interesting new PoV to look at |
| 18:32.35 | DawnLight | If i install apache2 and PHP5 and mySQL and set the mysql password - is there any security issues? is there anything i need to configure for it to be safe? |
| 18:32.40 | jelly-home | wols_: aol |
| 18:32.41 | ustunozgur | peterS: btw he is chief OS platform strategist in Sun, so his decisions will affect Sun I guess. Which issues for example? |
| 18:32.41 | peterS | xingu: except sun with zfs, the filesystem and the layers below it are positively living in sin |
| 18:32.45 | ephemeros | apt-apt: i don't know, i never did that myself, i prefer a clean home and copy the settings i'm interested in |
| 18:32.48 | peterS | wols_: he has a blog |
| 18:33.27 | purplepenguins | !remove gnome |
| 18:33.27 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
| 18:33.32 | xingu | peterS: that's the wrong way to fix things - by giving in to your public, and wrapping each previous mistake inside a brand new bandaid. :) |
| 18:33.40 | tarzeau | sun should release the lighthouse design software |
| 18:33.43 | peterS | ustunozgur: pretty much anything he has to say vis-a-vis platform compatibility and standardization between Debian and not-Debian |
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| 18:33.57 | tarzeau | and they should put dpkg/apt-get into their solaris |
| 18:34.08 | tarzeau | and stop that pkg crap |
| 18:34.13 | apt-apt | ok thanks |
| 18:34.17 | peterS | tarzeau: too bad about the GPL violations inherent in shipping dpkg with solaris, eh? |
| 18:34.27 | tarzeau | peterS: really that's the problem? |
| 18:34.28 | HyperDevi | i cannot seem to install etch on my machines anymore, it fails when installing the desktop-environment... |
| 18:34.32 | QuickieQ | has anyone successfully imported local debs in to an apt-proxy with apt-proxy-import? I get skipped - no suitable backend found for each package |
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| 18:34.42 | xand | peterS: because there's no other gpl software shipped with solaris? |
| 18:34.44 | tarzeau | peterS: they can put dpkg/apt-get into their product and ship the sources of dpkg/apt-get if someone wants them? |
| 18:34.44 | jelly-home | RA3OR: was the application installed from debian package? |
| 18:34.46 | {Nathan} | HyperDevi: Does it stop at 5%? |
| 18:35.02 | HyperDevi | Nathan: it stops at libnean |
| 18:35.03 | HyperDevi | neon |
| 18:35.10 | {Nathan} | HyperDevi: Dunno then. Sorry. |
| 18:35.16 | HyperDevi | libneon26 |
| 18:35.26 | RA3OR | jelly-home: hold on, checking if php actually runs |
| 18:35.26 | xingu | tarzeau: there's plenty of gpl source shipping with sol10 - look under /usr/sfw on a SUNWCall or whatever system. |
| 18:35.35 | ustunozgur | peterS, ok I can give you one more reason why you should disagree :p here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/imurdock/361637268/ |
| 18:35.35 | purplepenguins | maybe they should have tried integrating Solaris with BSD tools instead of GNU tools |
| 18:35.36 | peterS | xand: if you read the GPL you will note that shipping GPL software together with your OS libraries, which you ship together, is a problem unless your OS libraries can also be distributed under the GPL. which is, umm, not the case for Solaris |
| 18:35.41 | tarzeau | xingu: i know, but not dpkg/apt-get |
| 18:36.19 | xingu | purplepenguins: have you ever used solaris? do you know what the B in /usr/ucb stands for? :) |
| 18:36.25 | purplepenguins | no |
| 18:36.26 | peterS | xand: there is an "OS exception" to the GPL derivative works requirements, but it explicitly does _not_ apply if your GPL work is actually distributed as part of your OS |
| 18:36.35 | RA3OR | jelly-home: http://paste.prco23.org/5859 |
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| 18:36.50 | purplepenguins | so they use BSD stuff in Solaris already/ |
| 18:36.52 | jelly-home | RA3OR: eh, just put a phpinfo.php file with something like "<?php phpinfo(); ?> somewhere in the DocumentRoot and try accessing |
| 18:36.53 | peterS | ustunozgur: eh, nice office, a decent view |
| 18:36.57 | xand | you mean a core part of the OS as opposed to additional software? |
| 18:38.45 | wols_ | purplepenguins: SunOS is derived from BSD |
| 18:38.45 | peterS | xand: read it |
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| 18:38.45 | jelly-home | RA3OR: nothing serious |
| 18:38.45 | quitte_ | is there a ftp client that can be used from a shellscript? |
| 18:38.45 | ustunozgur | peterS, no, Windows XP :) |
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| 18:38.46 | wols_ | quitte_: nfctpput/ncftpget |
| 18:38.46 | RA3OR | jelly-home: http://paste.prco23.org/5859 |
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| 18:38.46 | xand | peterS: CBA |
| 18:38.46 | peterS | ustunozgur: I don't get it ... you mean the fact that he has XP running on one of his computers? I don't get why that's a problem |
| 18:38.46 | quitte_ | wols_: thanks. will have a look |
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| 18:38.47 | jelly-home | RA3OR: I was referring to that... and it looks like it's loaded |
| 18:38.48 | RA3OR | jelly-home: looks like, but i can save index.php ... :( |
| 18:38.49 | xingu | quitte_: see also netrc(5) |
| 18:38.49 | ustunozgur | peterS, OK if you don't see it as a problem. I don't either. Sent it just in case you would. |
| 18:39.16 | project9 | how do i find all mp3 files on system and save them as a tar file |
| 18:39.23 | wols_ | ustunozgur: I am sure billg or rather one of his underlings runs linux on one of his ÜC: always look what the other guy is doing in the marketplace |
| 18:39.26 | peterS | you seem to think I would be religious about people's choice of OS. that strikes me as a waste of time. I mean, use whatever you want to use, don't expect me to praise you for using Debian or judge you for using Slackware, y'know? |
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| 18:39.51 | wols_ | peterS: stop that heretic babble. praise debian! |
| 18:39.52 | wols_ | sheesh |
| 18:40.09 | QuickieQ | has anyone successfully imported local debs in to an apt-proxy with apt-proxy-import? I get skipped - no suitable backend found for each package |
| 18:40.18 | peterS | people who spell Microsoft "M$" or talk about the Beast of Redmond or how Ubuntu is of Satan or whatever just make me tired |
| 18:40.30 | xand | QuickieQ: yes, but it was ages ago |
| 18:40.32 | ustunozgur | OK. |
| 18:40.50 | wols_ | peterS: if you keep up this talke the debian inquisition will visit your with their pillows. then you will sing a different tune |
| 18:40.57 | QuickieQ | Any help with the suitable back end bit? The rest of the stuff (package caching) seems to worth fine |
| 18:41.02 | jelly-home | RA3OR: have you purged bits of php5 yet? |
| 18:41.05 | ustunozgur | Just wanted to know if the things you disagree with him involve things like these. |
| 18:41.12 | QuickieQ | And it doesn't run under -v, although I've got a patch for that |
| 18:42.01 | peterS | ustunozgur: his operating system ecumenism certainly contributes to the overall picture that he wouldn't fit into the Debian project too well, but it's more a symptom than a cause |
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| 18:42.09 | RA3OR | jelly-home: no, look --- > PHP Version 4.4.4-8+etch1 |
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| 18:42.34 | jelly-home | RA3OR: purge them |
| 18:42.38 | RA3OR | jelly-home: but webmail is not working |
| 18:42.44 | RA3OR | jelly-home: how :) |
| 18:43.12 | wols_ | !purge |
| 18:43.12 | dpkg | from memory, purge is to completely wipe away a package, including its config files. Use apt-get remove --purge [package] or if you already removed package with apt-get remove, and forgot config files you can use 'dpkg -P <package>' to remove configs. To purge all config files of all removed packages: aptitude purge '~c', or see <confmiss> about restoring individual config files |
| 18:43.29 | wols_ | RA3OR: have you reinstalled ilohamail? |
| 18:43.38 | jelly-home | RA3OR: aptitude purge all the php5 packages that were installed in http://paste.prco23.org/5849 |
| 18:44.22 | RA3OR | wols_: no, the directory is 'somewhere'... when i go to http://.../webmail/ i can save the index.php, and its a iloha index |
| 18:44.31 | RA3OR | so, its there, somewhere |
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| 18:44.45 | wols_ | RA3OR: locate iloha |grep index |
| 18:44.46 | RA3OR | just not working or enabled php for THAT host |
| 18:45.00 | RA3OR | ns:/# locate iloha |grep index |
| 18:45.00 | RA3OR | ns:/# |
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| 18:45.06 | jelly-home | could be Iloha |
| 18:45.09 | RA3OR | uppercase I ? |
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| 18:45.17 | jelly-home | aye |
| 18:45.19 | wols_ | find / -name index.php |less |
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| 18:45.59 | Nielsen | locate -i iloha |grep -i index |
| 18:46.04 | RA3OR | find: WARNING: Hard link count is wrong for /proc/1/task: this may be a bug in your filesystem driver. Automatically turning on find's -noleaf option. Earlier results may have failed to include directories that should have been searched. |
| 18:47.31 | jelly-home | Nielsen: wow, when did locate gain useful features like case insensitivity? |
| 18:47.40 | ustunozgur | peterS, where can I read more about these issues, namely where and when Debian moved apart from Murdock's ideas? The manifesto on debian.org is last revised by him. |
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| 18:48.19 | Nielsen | jelly-home: i think enough users begged for it.. like all wanted features, we have to beg for a few years to get them.. like 64 bit java plugin from sun |
| 18:48.21 | Beauty | night |
| 18:48.44 | ustunozgur | On the outside, Linux seems as one unit. As one delves deeper, one finds more and more clashes within. GNU/Linux vs Linux, Torvalds vs Stallman etc etc |
| 18:48.56 | Ronin | ustunozgur: people will be people |
| 18:49.02 | jelly-home | Nielsen: apparently it was in 2004 :-) |
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| 18:49.15 | Nielsen | hehe |
| 18:49.16 | peterS | ustunozgur: Debian never stops moving. Ian Murdock has done some moving of his own. Debian had already evolved away from his manifesto by the time I first looked at the project, around 1996. |
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| 18:50.10 | peterS | ustunozgur: as for the view of linux, I think it's the opposite. I think it looks like a lot of clashes from the outside, whereas from the inside those don't seem terribly important, we mainly just go about our business and do our work and let others do their work |
| 18:50.30 | kuvkir | hi all! |
| 18:50.39 | jelly-home | you're talking about GNU/Linux, really :-) |
| 18:50.47 | peterS | what makes you think that? |
| 18:51.06 | purplepenguins | stallman says it's so, we have to blindly follow him because he's RMS that's why |
| 18:51.12 | jelly-home | the OS, not the kernel |
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| 18:51.34 | amphi | what version of libc is in testing at the moment? |
| 18:51.41 | peterS | why do you think I'm talking about the OS and not the kernel? and why do you think I'm talking about the GNU portion of the OS as opposed to the many other portions that have nothing to do with the free software foundation? |
| 18:51.51 | peterS | amphi: 2.3.6 |
| 18:52.00 | purplepenguins | all the testers are napping at them moment so no libc testing right now, call back later |
| 18:52.03 | amphi | peterS: thanks |
| 18:52.23 | kuvkir | i'm using debian 4.0 on powerpc, and for some reason ssh daemon doesn't accept incoming connections |
| 18:52.24 | jelly-home | peterS: it was in context of Debian, therefore, the OS |
| 18:52.37 | purplepenguins | kuvkir: firewall? |
| 18:52.54 | peterS | jelly-home: that wasn't really the context. if I meant to say Debian, I would have said Debian. |
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| 18:53.03 | amphi | peterS: I'm having a problem on etch building something that wants inotify - any solution that you are aware of? I read that libc 2.4 is required |
| 18:53.07 | kuvkir | purplepenguins: no, definitely. i did try to connect it locally by "ssh localhost" but this failed too. |
| 18:53.11 | jelly-home | peterS: oh, so you really meant the kernel? |
| 18:53.14 | purplepenguins | hmm |
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| 18:53.23 | purplepenguins | did you try 'pgrep ssh'? |
| 18:53.23 | ustunozgur | peterS: that's because people like to follow leaders (I am no exception) when people talk about Linux or GNU/Linux, they tend to follow what the leaders say. And the leaders don't seem to fit nicely. For me, RMS stands more philosophical and the others, more pragmatical. |
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| 18:53.31 | peterS | jelly-home: I meant the entire free software community, which self-identifies with Linux much much more than it does with the FSF. |
| 18:53.32 | purplepenguins | to make absolutely sure it is running? |
| 18:53.47 | kuvkir | i got "debug1: An invalid name was supplied error" when I ran "ssh -v localhost" |
| 18:53.47 | RA3OR | jelly-home: working, i hate firefox cache =/ |
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| 18:54.41 | jelly-home | peterS: I see, I use GNU/Linux to distinguish the OS (with full knowledge there are non-GNU bits in there) |
| 18:55.01 | peterS | jelly-home: if I were to say "GNU/Linux" it would denote that very small subset of the free software community who believes the FSF is the most important part and needs to stick their own name in everywhere. since I was really talking about lots of people who don't believe that, there's no need to use that term. |
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| 18:57.14 | peterS | the only case to be made that "GNU/" belongs in the name of an OS more than "Xorg/" or "KDE/" or "TeX/" is squeaky wheel theory. that is, the only person whining about getting enough credit for his work is RMS, so you have to shut him up, everyone else is content with what they have |
| 18:57.21 | schme | A GNU-free linux would be nice. |
| 18:57.34 | peterS | schme: google://mastodon+linux |
| 18:57.35 | ustunozgur | peterS, you are right in many aspects, but RMS on the other hand has some sound reasons for the counter. Naming GNU/Linux is not only for his ego satisfaction, that's to put more emphasis on all people working on free software. |
| 18:57.45 | ustunozgur | he says. |
| 18:57.49 | aadil | ? |
| 18:58.01 | xand | ?? |
| 18:58.25 | peterS | ustunozgur: no, it really is all about him. I don't think a name would cause anyone to think more about software freedom. it sure doesn't make me think more about it, it makes _me_ think he's a whiner. |
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| 18:58.32 | purplepenguins | how could you have Linux GNU-free, considering that the kernel is GPL... |
| 18:58.59 | peterS | purplepenguins: what has that to do with anything? releasing your software under the terms of the GNU GPL does not make your software a GNU project |
| 18:59.04 | wols_ | purplepenguins: linux the kernel has nothing to do with GNU at all |
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| 18:59.12 | wols_ | all they did was using the same license as GNU |
| 18:59.30 | peterS | purplepenguins: the P in GPL stands for "public". it's intended for other people to be able to use, without being associated with the Free Software Foundation |
| 18:59.33 | jelly-home | I couldn't live without GNU wget! :-) |
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| 18:59.38 | purplepenguins | but technically if you have Linux it is still a system with GPL software |
| 18:59.48 | wols_ | jelly-home: I think gcc is more important. and libc :) |
| 18:59.50 | schme | peterS: Hey that looks nice. Thx. |
| 18:59.50 | ustunozgur | He responds to this by: "I don't want people name it Stallmanix. I want it GNU/linux" |
| 19:00.03 | tarzeau | jelly-home: i like gnu awk a lot |
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| 19:00.16 | purplepenguins | that was what I interpreted by saying a non-GNU Linux, is one that doesn't use GPL software |
| 19:00.17 | jelly-home | tarzeau: mawk works... ;-) |
| 19:00.17 | schme | purplepenguins: Yes, it is GPL software. That does not make it GNU. |
| 19:00.26 | tarzeau | jelly-home: crap! crap! and don't get me started with sun awk |
| 19:00.47 | schme | purplepenguins: I don't mind GPL so much. It is gnu userland I don't dig. :) |
| 19:00.50 | jelly-home | tarzeau: there had been a script or two where I had to fix GNU awkisms :-) |
| 19:00.54 | peterS | ustunozgur: let him say what he wants. he's just annoyed that the project he put his heart and soul into from 1984 to 1992 got upstaged by some one-man upstart OS and that's what the world will think |
| 19:01.05 | tarzeau | jelly-home: bad awk authors then |
| 19:01.06 | ustunozgur | peterS, but then I find it annoying when Torvalds goes out and says "Use KDE" and many believe him because Linus wrote all Linux. |
| 19:01.17 | blub | hi, i got a problem with my webserver (debian 4, apache2) - the machine is part of my own lan and from time to time apache doesnt answer (at the same time i cant connect with putty aswell). i can ping the machine |
| 19:01.28 | jelly-home | tarzeau: not really, both mawk and gawk Provide: awk |
| 19:01.36 | ustunozgur | peterS, OK; I like his emacs :) |
| 19:01.44 | peterS | ustunozgur: indeed, I don't think Linus's opinion on things that don't directly involve the Linux kernel and low-level C programming are worth much more, if any more, than my own opinions |
| 19:01.52 | purplepenguins | Just because he's Linus, doesn't add or detract from the the validity of his views, or his arguments against Gnome/for KDE |
| 19:01.58 | tarzeau | jelly-home: ever processed very long lines with sun awk? |
| 19:02.07 | tarzeau | jelly-home: it's got a limit, the shitness |
| 19:02.26 | jelly-home | tarzeau: I don't talk much, my lines are short :-) |
| 19:02.53 | xand | choosing KDE over Gnome is just crazy ;) |
| 19:02.54 | peterS | ustunozgur: however, his opinions on the kernel and low-level C programming, I take with great weight, not only because of what he has accomplished - he's earned my respect directly, just by his writing and his reasoning in those subjects |
| 19:02.58 | tarzeau | jelly-home: i wasn't processing irc logs |
| 19:03.19 | jelly-home | tarzeau: i wasn't making a bad pun! |
| 19:03.26 | jelly-home | tarzeau: yes I was. |
| 19:03.33 | purplepenguins | I think Gnome is inferior in some ways, that's my opinion |
| 19:03.37 | ustunozgur | peterS: I do respect him obviously too, but it affects the community, namely the majority of people who are less informed. |
| 19:03.37 | peterS | ustunozgur: you have to admit, though, Linus fanboys are less annoying than ESR fanboys |
| 19:03.49 | ustunozgur | I don'T like ESR. |
| 19:03.50 | mnguyen | Does apt-get have a cleanup tool? to get rid of packages not in use? |
| 19:03.58 | ustunozgur | he is the worst of those figures I think. |
| 19:04.00 | purplepenguins | didn't know that people liked ESR that much |
| 19:04.00 | schme | mnguyen: try deborphan |
| 19:04.04 | jelly-home | mnguyen: there are several. |
| 19:04.11 | ustunozgur | RMS>Linus>>>>ESR for me :p |
| 19:04.13 | peterS | mnguyen: aptitude, properly used, handles that for you pretty much automatically |
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| 19:04.20 | schme | mnguyen: and just use aptitude instead of apt-get :) |
| 19:04.23 | tarzeau | ustunozgur: about the same here |
| 19:04.48 | ustunozgur | :) |
| 19:04.52 | schme | Theo>RMS . Yeah, baby. |
| 19:04.57 | mnguyen | schme: can aptitiude still do cleanup even though i haven't been using it? |
| 19:04.57 | jelly-home | mnguyen: deborphan can remove some obvious (to it) packages. debfoster removes _everything_ but what you explicitely tell it to |
| 19:04.59 | purplepenguins | heh theo |
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| 19:05.08 | ustunozgur | who is theo? |
| 19:05.17 | purplepenguins | theo de raadt, the creator of OpenBSD |
| 19:05.22 | tarzeau | ustunozgur: a moron |
| 19:05.26 | mnguyen | jelly-home: thanks |
| 19:05.34 | jelly-home | schme: I see your Theo and raise you a DJB! |
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| 19:05.45 | purplepenguins | very vocal and sometimes downright assholish |
| 19:05.54 | schme | jelly-home: a WhatWho!? |
| 19:06.00 | peterS | I don't think RMS and Linus can be compared on the same scale, really. Linus is a programmer who writes really complex software really well ... and dabbles in being a political figurehead. RMS is a figurehead who used to be a programmer and still dabbles in it. |
| 19:06.05 | jelly-home | !djb |
| 19:06.05 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, djb is an arrogant jerk, or Daniel J. Bernstein, author of qmail, djbdns, etc., or at http://cr.yp.to/djb.html, or a UNIX coding and mathematics genius, or an ego-maniac. See "wanker". |
| 19:06.16 | schme | Oh. |
| 19:06.27 | jelly-home | that factoid is a bit overdone |
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| 19:06.36 | purplepenguins | I like djbdns |
| 19:06.39 | tarzeau | peterS: rms doesn't code anymore? |
| 19:06.43 | ustunozgur | Tanenbaum>Linus :D |
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| 19:06.55 | peterS | tarzeau: not much. he still maintains emacs, but you know how fast _that_ development goes these days |
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| 19:06.57 | sheldonh | tan tara! i've migrated my laptop from gentoo to debian :) |
| 19:06.58 | tarzeau | ustunozgur: i wish linux kernel had less in the kernel |
| 19:07.14 | sheldonh | not too painful |
| 19:07.15 | aadil | sheldonh, u mean downgraded? |
| 19:07.17 | aadil | ;) |
| 19:07.17 | tarzeau | peterS: emacs goes faster than debian |
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| 19:07.24 | purplepenguins | if it had less it would run on fewer systems |
| 19:07.30 | tarzeau | peterS: i've tried to get some emacs software into debian, no go, getting it into emacs is easier |
| 19:07.31 | sheldonh | aadil: depends on your perspective. cross-graded, i'd say :) |
| 19:07.36 | aadil | hehe |
| 19:07.37 | jelly-home | tarzeau: FUSE is a step in that direction, so are userspace USB drivers |
| 19:07.40 | ustunozgur | if only emacs had a kernel... |
| 19:07.48 | peterS | tarzeau: you've gotten a _lot_ of software into debian. so I don't know what you're talking about. |
| 19:07.49 | tarzeau | jelly-home: it's a mess already |
| 19:07.56 | tarzeau | peterS: emacs.app :) |
| 19:08.04 | tarzeau | peterS: but yes you're right |
| 19:08.19 | n3kl | l |
| 19:08.26 | tarzeau | peterS: btw tried funguloids.sf.net yet? or blockality? |
| 19:08.29 | yumanda | list |
| 19:08.30 | peterS | no |
| 19:08.31 | schme | I am actually curios about emacsen in Debian. How would I go by getting sxemacs in? |
| 19:08.32 | jelly-home | tarzeau: apparently fuse/ntfs-3g performs comparable to ext3 and better in some things :-) |
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| 19:08.41 | tarzeau | jelly-home: please! PLEASE. NTFS IS CRAP |
| 19:08.41 | peterS | schme: what is sxemacs? |
| 19:08.56 | schme | peterS: fork of xemacs. |
| 19:08.59 | purplepenguins | why do we want ntfs on linux... |
| 19:09.04 | jelly-home | tarzeau: is very good for deleting files |
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| 19:09.14 | peterS | schme: oh dear. so why would we be interested? |
| 19:09.15 | jelly-home | tarzeau: intentionally :-) |
| 19:09.17 | schme | peterS: and my main OS ;) |
| 19:09.37 | tarzeau | jelly-home: ever made 10000 files in a directory w/ ntfs? then have them removed? is slower than starting emacs |
| 19:09.44 | sheldonh | does the installation manual cover security updates, or would that be discussed elsewhere? |
| 19:09.59 | schme | peterS: I suppose you would be interested because it is free software and such. |
| 19:10.17 | jelly-home | tarzeau: no, but I've tried deleting 25GB sized files on ext3 and it's slower than installing and running emacs! |
| 19:10.20 | sheldonh | aadil: i've known and loved gentoo for a few years now, but it was too much release engineering work for us to maintain as a server build |
| 19:10.30 | tarzeau | jelly-home: heheh, that's a point |
| 19:10.39 | tarzeau | jelly-home: what kind of files were that? |
| 19:10.45 | jelly-home | tarzeau: backup dumps |
| 19:10.47 | sheldonh | aadil: i'm taking debian for a spin on my own assets to gain familiarity before pushing the team to use it for servers |
| 19:10.49 | tarzeau | jelly-home: and doing echo 1> thefile ? |
| 19:10.50 | RA3OR | jelly-home: so, installing mysql5 on that machine is absolutely NO ? |
| 19:10.54 | tarzeau | jelly-home: would that be faster than a rm? |
| 19:10.55 | peterS | schme: debian's goal is not to package every last byte of software in the world that is free. I mean, some people try to do that. but I'm more concerned about what is actually useful. if you can't name any reasons sxemacs is a useful alternative to emacs21 and xemacs21, then it would be a waste of ftp mirror space |
| 19:10.57 | purplepenguins | debian is nice and easy compared to gentoo |
| 19:11.04 | tarzeau | jelly-home: i wonder why rm on large files should be slow |
| 19:11.09 | tarzeau | jelly-home: it just unlinks files? |
| 19:11.11 | jelly-home | tarzeau: same thing, updating the bitmaps all over the disk |
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| 19:11.21 | tarzeau | i see |
| 19:11.28 | peterS | schme: in other words, especially for stuff as big as emacs, "because it's there" is not a good enough reason for me |
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| 19:11.36 | purplepenguins | my hard drive is full of uncompressed image files? |
| 19:11.54 | ehc | is there a way through ssh to copy http://code.djangoproject.com/browser/djangoproject.com/django_website/templates/base.html?format=txt to a file? |
| 19:11.58 | jelly-home | tarzeau: but that's one specific thing ext3 is bad at and I guess it's not very common |
| 19:11.59 | sheldonh | !security |
| 19:12.00 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade". If you're still running woody, consider "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-non-US stable non-US/contrib non-US/main non-US/non-free" for non-us security, or ask me about testing security or unstable security |
| 19:12.14 | tarzeau | jelly-home: i hardly have files > 1,2 gb |
| 19:12.18 | peterS | ehc: eh? ssh doesn't speak http. I think you mean wget or snarf or curl |
| 19:12.36 | jelly-home | tarzeau: I might try copying some maildirs to ntfs to see how it fares with lots of files |
| 19:12.41 | ehc | peterS, yeah wget worked thanks |
| 19:12.43 | aadil | sheldonh, bribing the team makes debian adoption easier |
| 19:12.47 | aadil | or blackmailing |
| 19:12.49 | aadil | :3 |
| 19:12.50 | tarzeau | jelly-home: played with inode size? |
| 19:13.06 | tarzeau | jelly-home: i mean very large for large and less files,and very small for alot of small files? |
| 19:13.10 | sheldonh | aadil: i'm finding that being the boss helps too :) |
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| 19:13.16 | schme | peterS: Very good point. I basically just want it in because I use it myself. Partly because of the multimedia support and bloom filters and what not. :) But ya, it is a big chunk of ftp space. |
| 19:13.26 | aadil | heh |
| 19:13.33 | aadil | sheldonh, pointy haired boss? |
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| 19:13.40 | jelly-home | tarzeau: I haven't, changing inode size is hard to do on a production machine :-) |
| 19:13.55 | tarzeau | jelly-home: only when it's already productive :) |
| 19:14.10 | peterS | schme: debian does have an emacs policy, with the emacsen-common package, such that at installation time, an emacs module is byte-compiled for all supported emacsen on your system. adding sxemacs to the mix is mainly a matter of modifying the emacsen-common package to know about it |
| 19:14.11 | tarzeau | jelly-home: i've used smalles indoe sizes on very small harddisks... many years ago |
| 19:14.12 | sheldonh | aadil: ha, no :) |
| 19:14.20 | ustunozgur | schme: could you elaborate on that multimedia issues more? |
| 19:14.40 | aadil | :) |
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| 19:15.15 | peterS | schme: though I suppose a lot of emacs .el packages have hard-coded knowledge about which emacsen they support.. |
| 19:15.29 | sheldonh | right. time to get eclipse, rails and apache installed |
| 19:15.39 | schme | peterS: Ya. I have been reading through the package maintainer documentations and such, but I figured there was some workaround for all the bits of elisp floating around to get it to work for the xemacs or gnu emacs. |
| 19:16.19 | schme | ustunozgur: "SXEmacs has support for a wide variety of sound servers, backends, drivers, and formats. Audio outputs supported include: ALSA, aRts, ao, ESD, NAS, OSS, PulseAudio, and Jack. Media stream handlers supported include: FFmpeg, gstreamer, Mad, sndfile, SoX, xine, as well as the pre-existing (from XEmacs days) internal audio support." |
| 19:16.20 | peterS | schme: right, that's all handled by the emacs policy (which governs how to package an emacs as well as how to package an elisp module), featuring the emacsen-common package in the center of it all |
| 19:17.21 | schme | peterS: That's quite brilliant actually. :) |
| 19:17.33 | peterS | schme: if you haven't found it already: /usr/share/doc/emacsen-common/debian-emacs-policy.gz |
| 19:18.01 | schme | peterS: Oh nice. Thanks. |
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| 19:19.03 | peterS | schme: I see that file gives a list: "xemacs20 xemacs21 emacs19 emacs20 emacs21". that shows you how long the policy has been around (: since debian only ships the 21 generation anymore (: |
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| 19:19.27 | schme | peterS: But really I have no other reason to want it "in" than I use the software myself. :) |
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| 19:21.10 | n3kl | module assistant failes to build the nvidia driver on amd64 kernel with i386 installation. |
| 19:21.11 | peterS | schme: too bad xemacs doesn't have a binary module loading mechanism such that sxemacs A/V stuff could be build as plugins |
| 19:21.12 | xingu | the dreaded waiting for root filesystem disease; and yes, I'm using label mounts so it's not that before anyone gets clever. :) |
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| 19:21.12 | setog3 | !xorg |
| 19:21.12 | dpkg | rumour has it, xorg is X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.1. ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg |
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| 19:21.51 | peterS | !xorg =~ s/7.1/7.2/ |
| 19:21.52 | dpkg | OK, peterS |
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| 19:21.53 | jelly-home | pardon my ignorance, but what does emacs need audio support for? |
| 19:22.00 | schme | To play mp3s! |
| 19:22.00 | setog3 | hmm don't find how to disable a module in xorg 7.2 .. on 7.1 I only remove the line.. but now.. dont find (try disable "glx" but seem to don't works) |
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| 19:22.15 | peterS | jelly-home: so you can run your elisp audio apps, of course |
| 19:22.35 | peterS | you don't want to have to go _outside_ emacs to play your music or your games-with-sound, do you? |
| 19:22.50 | jelly-home | of course I dont... I guess |
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| 19:23.16 | peterS | schme: does sxemacs have a 'play-region-as-wav' function? (: |
| 19:23.17 | jelly-home | why not just release EmacsOS or a Live XEmacs CD? |
| 19:23.41 | schme | peterS: I believe it was originally forked because someone thought it was too annoying to get new stuff into xemacs. Much like the original xemacs fork from gnu emacs. Heh. :) |
| 19:24.01 | schme | play-region-as-wav :D |
| 19:24.18 | schme | jelly-home: We need a kernel first ;) |
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| 19:24.29 | jelly-home | schme: I expect a GNU fork of sxemacs soon... GSXemacs |
| 19:24.33 | peterS | schme: it's for if you open a .wav file then want to select just part of it (: |
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| 19:24.57 | schme | peterS: Hahahaha! And no, it does not have that (; |
| 19:25.18 | peterS | jelly-home: maybe Apple could release OSXEmacs? |
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| 19:25.40 | ustunozgur | iemacs |
| 19:26.19 | jelly-home | and a simplified version, Gnomacs, which has no command line, you don't need it. |
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| 19:26.29 | schme | Personally what I would like is to turn emacs into a full cl environment.. elisp is a bit limiting and annoying at times. |
| 19:26.42 | peterS | there are CL emulation packages aren't there? |
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| 19:26.49 | sheldonh | can anyone recommend adept (apparently a synapticalike for kde) |
| 19:26.59 | peterS | the other thing you need sound support in emacs for would be emacspeak (a version of emacs intended for sight-impaired users) |
| 19:27.00 | schme | There is, yes. But it's far from complete. |
| 19:27.01 | Ankman | how can i set permissions of a symblink that any user may read it? i have a link, say from a file owned by "ankman" and want the link to it that a different user has access to it |
| 19:27.37 | jelly-home | emacspeak makes sense, but it had been there a long time ago |
| 19:27.37 | peterS | Ankman: symlinks have no permissions - everyone can always read a symlink if they can get to the directory the symlink is in |
| 19:27.54 | Ankman | seems not to work for me |
| 19:28.09 | Ankman | well a perl script can't |
| 19:28.15 | peterS | Ankman: _following_ the symlink and getting to the file it points to - you can't change _those_ permissions with the symlink itself |
| 19:28.29 | schme | jelly-home: ALSA ? |
| 19:28.41 | jelly-home | schme: does it work over ssh -X? |
| 19:28.48 | peterS | schme: alsa doesn't include jack or nas or mas functionality, though. other than that, it's fine |
| 19:28.54 | Ankman | also changed symb link permission of the user executing the perl script, no luck |
| 19:28.58 | schme | jelly-home: I have no idea :S |
| 19:29.00 | peterS | I guess it includes some jack functionality |
| 19:29.12 | peterS | but it doesn't even pretend to do nas/mas type stuff |
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| 19:29.51 | jelly-home | esd? arts? er, PulseAudio? |
| 19:30.06 | schme | Weird though. Why make an audio system for a unix-like system that isn't made for networks. |
| 19:30.16 | sheldonh | peterS: i use jack on an alsa-driven box |
| 19:30.21 | peterS | esd and arts can go away, alsa can do multiplexing. but nas or mas still have their place. |
| 19:30.42 | sheldonh | arts should be shot |
| 19:30.44 | peterS | assuming mas ever goes anywhere, last I heard freedesktop wasn't really doing much with it |
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| 19:30.57 | jelly-home | peterS: hm, can alsa do separate volume managing of each muxed signal? |
| 19:31.08 | ustunozgur | schme, does it have gtk support? |
| 19:31.13 | peterS | sheldonh: yeah, arts has the dubious distinction of being even worse than esd. or so I've heard. and that is an accomplishment. |
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| 19:31.30 | jelly-home | peterS: currently, each of my apps has to do software volume on its own |
| 19:31.40 | mnguyen | What's a good UML tool for linux? |
| 19:31.50 | sheldonh | peterS: well it's worth noting that the original arts developer now thinks it's a bad idea |
| 19:31.58 | peterS | jelly-home: I don't know, that's something I would expect the alsa library to be able to handle, but I haven't really written audio apps in C |
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| 19:32.24 | RainbowW | the default cgi-bin for apache2 is /usr/lib/cgi-bin/. how do i adjust it so that it's user-specific, eg ~/public_html/cgi-bin? |
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| 19:32.36 | n3kl | Anyone know why nvidia fails to build? I get message ld: relocatable linking with relocation from format elf32-i386 to format elf64-x86-64. |
| 19:32.41 | schme | ustunozgur: To be honest I have no idea. gtk1 support I am guessing. |
| 19:32.49 | schme | ustunozgur: like xemacs. |
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| 19:33.13 | peterS | RainbowW: everything's in /etc/apache2/ somewhere. /etc/apache2/sites-available/default, to be exact |
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| 19:33.51 | schme | ustunozgur: I don't really use gtk meself :) |
| 19:34.01 | jelly-home | n3kl: sounds like your script is trying to link a 32bit and a 64bit object file |
| 19:34.36 | hynek | Hi, I've got a very strange and hard problem: I have freshly installed debian-etch-servers at disposal with two NICs. Both are configured inside /etc/network/interfaces (or alike). The first nic (eth0) isn't connected to the network yet, the second one (eth1) is but has a wrong IP (wrong /24-net). When I change the address in /etc/network/interfaces and _nothing_ else and do a /etc/init.d/restart - I ljsut see a "reconfiguring networjk devices" and the s |
| 19:34.45 | n3kl | jelly-home: its just module-assistant. |
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| 19:35.05 | hynek | the last eth1 must be a eth0 of course |
| 19:35.08 | ustunozgur | schme, hmm so sxemacs has its own wm. cool. |
| 19:35.41 | peterS | a minibuffer for every X window? |
| 19:35.49 | ustunozgur | so, the firefox in those screenshots run in emacs?? |
| 19:36.07 | ephemeros | question: the current version of gaim is 2.0.0 in debian testing, why my gaim package is 2.0.0beta5 and doesn;t upgrade? |
| 19:36.24 | jelly-home | n3kl: maybe it doesn't handle 32bit userspace with an x86-64 kernel |
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| 19:37.15 | schme | ustunozgur: XWEM yes. And I believe there is some screenshot of ff running in it. I don't actually use it meself :) |
| 19:37.17 | peterS | ephemeros: maybe you aren't on debian testing? |
| 19:37.25 | hynek | Unfortunately, I don't have lcoal hardware to test it out. :( |
| 19:37.30 | peterS | ephemeros: 2.0.0beta5 is what is in debian stable (etch) |
| 19:37.46 | ephemeros | peterS: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 19:37.56 | ephemeros | result: lenny/sid |
| 19:38.05 | ephemeros | i remember i installed lenny |
| 19:38.14 | omri | do DYNAMODE\NETBIT WLAN NICs work with linux? |
| 19:38.18 | peterS | ephemeros: actually, gaim no longer exists. the package is now named pidgin, and version 2.0.0 is not in testing yet |
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| 19:38.51 | peterS | ephemeros: it is stuck behind glibc and gnome library transitions |
| 19:38.51 | schme | peterS: I think each window gets it's own buffer in XWEM, yes. |
| 19:39.04 | ephemeros | peterS: i know it is pidgin now, but anyway, i think my packages aren't at the latest versions (i'll check now) |
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| 19:39.18 | peterS | ephemeros: as I said, pidgin 2.0.0 is in debian unstable, but is not in lenny yet |
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| 19:39.21 | jelly-home | ephemeros: apt-cache policy gaim should show available versions |
| 19:39.36 | ephemeros | ok, thank you |
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| 19:40.10 | ustunozgur | this one is for emacs lovers who use firefox : http://conkeror.mozdev.org/ |
| 19:40.33 | tarzeau | ustunozgur: and what about the emacs lovers that hate firefox? |
| 19:40.33 | schme | ustunozgur: Here's a nice one of XWEM :) http://www.xwem.org/xwem-xnest.jpg |
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| 19:40.51 | ustunozgur | tarzeau, opera :D |
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| 19:40.56 | schme | tarzeau: there's always emacs-w3m :) |
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| 19:41.36 | ustunozgur | I played with it for one day, really liked it, but then again it's firefox, so i switched back to opera. |
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| 19:42.54 | sphear1 | hi, whats the tar command for backing up a whole file system? Im using "tar -cvvf foo.tar foo/" but the file size is really small |
| 19:42.55 | n3kl | jelly-home: Ouch. I was running the amd64 port, but it was too unstable. So I came back to i368, but the amd64 kernel is sooo much faster than running the i686 kernel on this machine. |
| 19:44.21 | ustunozgur | tarzeau, do you really use links2 -g for everyday browsing? |
| 19:44.27 | tarzeau | ustunozgur: yes |
| 19:44.45 | tarzeau | ustunozgur: i've got my bookmarks in there, i can start it with one mouse click |
| 19:45.24 | schme | links2 -g is a heckuva lot faster than ff and opera, isn't it? |
| 19:45.32 | tarzeau | schme: yes |
| 19:45.32 | ustunozgur | which features are missing? last time I checked, fonts didn't look that nice. |
| 19:45.51 | tarzeau | ustunozgur: yes it has builtin fonts, i render them 0.9 of the normal vertical size |
| 19:46.01 | jelly-home | n3kl: well, if you're running a -amd64 kernel found in i386 distro, then you have reasons to file a bug report :-) |
| 19:46.04 | hynek | Web 2.0!!11! i'm sure rounded corners suck! |
| 19:46.05 | tarzeau | ustunozgur: setup, video options, aspect ratio 0.8 or 0.9 |
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| 19:48.09 | ustunozgur | schme, btw when you connect ff and opera with an and in a sentence involving speed, people might get the false impression that they are of same speed scale :) |
| 19:48.10 | n3kl | jelly-home: will do. thanks |
| 19:48.46 | RainbowW | w00t got it working. okay NEXT CRISIS ... |
| 19:48.59 | schme | ustunozgur: Aren't they? |
| 19:49.09 | schme | ustunozgur: They both felt really slow when I tried 'em. |
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| 19:49.18 | schme | Opera crashed less though :) |
| 19:49.41 | ustunozgur | well, compared to links2, maybe, but it's unfair IMHO. Opera is way way ahead. |
| 19:49.51 | purplepenguins | wow, the version of Ion in apt is really old |
| 19:49.53 | peterS | you know, they should have used the singular noun for that software, Opus, instead of the plural, Opera |
| 19:50.05 | ustunozgur | yes, the name sucks. |
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| 19:50.15 | jelly-home | ustunozgur: well, opera with 50-ish tabs and firefox with 5 tabs are about the same speed here |
| 19:50.16 | ustunozgur | Opus is more charismatic. |
| 19:51.02 | ustunozgur | but ff implemented session recovery finally in 2.0, great! LOL. |
| 19:51.06 | peterS | purplepenguins: you mean ion3? you don't want a newer snapshot, the upstream author started removing features like xinerama support, because he thinks dual head is a toy nobody really needs |
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| 19:51.52 | schme | Why would anyone remove xinerama support!? |
| 19:52.02 | peterS | ustunozgur: what?!? firefox didn't have session recovery until 2.0? that surprises me, I've been using it in galeon for _years_ |
| 19:52.25 | peterS | schme: he said it's half-broken and he'd rather just remove it than fix it, since nobody really needs it anyway |
| 19:52.44 | purplepenguins | I didn't want like 2007 new, but I expected better than fall of 2004 |
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| 19:53.04 | setog3 | haaaa don't understand why my nvidia won't be install .. get failed to determine patchlevel in m-a .. |
| 19:53.15 | peterS | schme: we are not talking about an entirely sane person here. he also threatened to relicense ion3 to forcibly _prevent_ debian from shipping it in a stable release - basically adding a clause that requires anyone distributing it to update it at least every 30 days or some such. (debian cannot follow that policy in stable.) |
| 19:53.22 | ustunozgur | peterS, yes, that was their big invention this year :) |
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| 19:54.05 | peterS | schme: this is why ion3 is not in debian 4.0 |
| 19:54.20 | schme | peterS: I feel leaving it half broken and letting someone fix it (if he can't be bothered) is more sane than removing it alltogether. |
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| 19:54.29 | schme | update it every 30 days!? what the heck. |
| 19:54.38 | peterS | schme: yes, well, that's because you see some value to dual head support. he doesn't. |
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| 19:55.34 | peterS | schme: as for the update thing: ion3 is technically not released yet, there are only development snapshots. so if we ship a devel snapshot, he'll hear about that version for the next couple years, even long after development has moved on. he's tired of such bug reports. so he decided to force distributors to keep up or drop it |
| 19:55.36 | schme | Oh well. It is his software so he could do that I suppose. I am sure it would make quite a few people stop using it, or fork off the old code. |
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| 19:55.52 | schme | Oh. |
| 19:55.54 | xingu | wow, 80x25 console text is really huge on a 1680x1050 dfp |
| 19:56.20 | peterS | schme: forking off the old code is somewhat likely to happen. it is a rename situation, similar to firefox - he doesn't seem to mind us shipping an older snapshot so long as it isn't named ion |
| 19:56.48 | schme | peterS: I can very much understand him getting annoyed by bug reports though. :) |
| 19:56.55 | ustunozgur | schme: btw, it was the same author who wrote ratpoison and conkeror afaik |
| 19:57.13 | schme | "darn people using old code and bugging me about it" |
| 19:57.20 | peterS | schme: the correct response to _that_ is to have a form letter response, telling them to talk to http://bugs.debian.org/ instead |
| 19:57.21 | schme | ustunozgur: It was ya. and stumpwm too. |
| 19:57.31 | purplepenguins | blah, this is restrictive and annoying and I don't like the keybindings at all |
| 19:58.08 | peterS | schme: that is one of debian's functions: as a distributor, we serve to insulate authors and users from each other, handling user bug reports and collating them for upstream authors. at least, that's what we aim to do, some people do it much better than others |
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| 19:58.32 | purplepenguins | what is a good wm like ion that isn't ion |
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| 19:58.44 | omri | http://www.nirox.co.il/dynamode/www/details.asp?id=128 - is this WLAN NIC supported? |
| 19:58.45 | setog3 | purplepenguins: wmii |
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| 19:58.48 | schme | peterS: Yeah.. That was actually one of the issues with the sxemacs core team when I asked them about how they felt about getting sxemacs into the debian repositories. "sure. You do that if you think it's fun, but we don't want all the debian users sending us bug reports":) |
| 19:59.17 | jelly-home | schme: wait, they _don't_ want users sending bug reports? |
| 19:59.18 | alexIdoia | hi is there a way to have a volume in read and write mode for debian AND macOSX ? |
| 19:59.19 | schme | peterS: Not that they do not enjoy bug reports.. but yeah. |
| 19:59.27 | peterS | purplepenguins: wait ... 2004? ion3 in unstable is version 20070318. ion3 in stable does not exist. ion3 in sarge (the old stable) is of course from 2005, since sarge itself is from 2005. |
| 19:59.38 | peterS | schme: ha |
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| 19:59.45 | purplepenguins | I found ion2 |
| 19:59.54 | purplepenguins | ion3 isn't in etch or lenny |
| 20:00.04 | alexIdoia | At the moment I have an external disk that I used on MAC, I mouted right on debian but it is readonly |
| 20:00.10 | purplepenguins | and this ion2 said something like 2004, maybe it was 2005 |
| 20:00.10 | Ankman | isn't the ion by Staurn? ;-) |
| 20:00.14 | Ankman | saturn |
| 20:00.15 | schme | jelly-home: Of course they want bug reports. But a debian package of sxemacs would not be the latest release and such. They just want the bug reports to go to the package maintainer or however that works, and then have 'em channeled to them. |
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| 20:00.23 | purplepenguins | this dwm looks somewhat intersting |
| 20:00.23 | peterS | purplepenguins: oh ... the ion author hasn't done much with ion2, considering it a finished product. so yes, it will seem old. ion3, as I've been explaining, has been removed from debian stable because the author had a fit |
| 20:00.24 | alexIdoia | can I change it so I can also write in it ? |
| 20:00.39 | jelly-home | schme: well, that's how debian works anyway! |
| 20:00.48 | schme | jelly-home: I guess so, yes. |
| 20:01.05 | setog3 | don't understand why all people speak about ion when wmii exist .. |
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| 20:01.17 | schme | Some people don't like wmii |
| 20:01.46 | alexIdoia | can anyone give me a hint ? |
| 20:01.47 | LinuxHelp | Hi erm, I've just done a apt-get build-dep vlc && apt-get source --build vlc # what do I do next? (If I want to install this new build) |
| 20:01.56 | purplepenguins | hmm, this one doesn't work like expected |
| 20:02.00 | schme | setog3: I don't enjoy wmii ;) |
| 20:02.04 | peterS | LinuxHelp: install packages with dpkg -i |
| 20:02.11 | purplepenguins | this is dwm, which is supposedly like wmii |
| 20:02.19 | purplepenguins | but one window is big and the others are small |
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| 20:02.58 | peterS | purplepenguins: screw it, install lesstif-bin, use mwm |
| 20:03.14 | purplepenguins | what is it? |
| 20:04.26 | peterS | purplepenguins: oh, you must be young. back in the olden days, everyone used the motif window manager |
| 20:04.26 | purplepenguins | ohnoes, not motif |
| 20:04.26 | purplepenguins | anything but that |
| 20:04.26 | schme | purplepenguins: Or you could, you know, use stumpwm ;) |
| 20:04.26 | purplepenguins | dont know it |
| 20:04.27 | peterS | purplepenguins: in that case, I sentence you to olvwm. (google a screenshot if you want to be horrified) |
| 20:04.27 | schme | purplepenguins: If you could live with the slowness and random freezes and crashes :) |
| 20:04.27 | purplepenguins | it sounds lispy |
| 20:04.27 | purplepenguins | from their webpage |
| 20:04.28 | schme | It is, ya. |
| 20:04.36 | CharminTheMoose | what about w9wm? |
| 20:04.39 | schme | It is a lispy ratpoison. |
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| 20:04.44 | purplepenguins | hmm |
| 20:04.45 | CharminTheMoose | pretty damn small |
| 20:04.52 | solar_sea | how do I instruct deb. etch i.386 with kernel 2.6.18 not to load any video modules on start |
| 20:04.57 | peterS | ol (OpenLook) was one of Sun's worst ideas ever |
| 20:04.59 | xingu | schme: one thread ought to be enough for anyone |
| 20:05.19 | schme | xingu: And that thread ought to fit into 640kb of RAM. |
| 20:05.34 | schme | darn spoiled kids with their 256 colour screens and several megabytes of harddrive space. |
| 20:05.38 | tarzeau | peterS: and java. |
| 20:05.39 | solar_sea | the nvidia prop. driver fails to load because apparently there is another nvidia driver loaded [nvidia_agp]. I've tried with rmmod -f nvidia_agp but it lead to seg. fault |
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| 20:05.53 | Vasistha | !tell solar_sea -about blacklist |
| 20:05.54 | peterS | tarzeau: compared to openlook, I think java was a _good_ idea |
| 20:06.03 | purplepenguins | yay, wmii stacks windows |
| 20:06.03 | CharminTheMoose | solar_sea, blacklist it in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 20:06.24 | solar_sea | thanks |
| 20:06.26 | purplepenguins | I just want one window at a time really |
| 20:06.43 | Vasistha | solar_sea: or, preferably, in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.custom (you'll need to create the file, and it *will* be read ;) |
| 20:07.03 | setog3 | I hate me, when I do an upgrade.. I broke my system .. now nvidia won't install .. can't run x anymore .. I hate me |
| 20:07.05 | solar_sea | I'll try it now. |
| 20:07.05 | jelly-home | peterS: what about Display PostScript? That seemed nice |
| 20:07.17 | peterS | setog3: dude, ME is years old. upgrade to Windows 2000 already |
| 20:07.18 | tarzeau | setog3: that's why i have www.linuks.mine.nu/nvidia/nvidia-driver |
| 20:07.27 | tarzeau | jelly-home: that's what i was trying to say |
| 20:07.27 | peterS | jelly-home: DPS was a great idea. OpenLook, not so much. |
| 20:07.35 | tarzeau | jelly-home: but sun ditched it |
| 20:07.42 | tarzeau | jelly-home: because of their marketing idiots |
| 20:07.58 | tarzeau | jelly-home: NeXT went to IBM and SUN for them to license it all |
| 20:08.05 | tarzeau | jelly-home: but both were idiots |
| 20:09.33 | jelly-home | tarzeau: that's the way it goes! We're all scraping for some sort of vector-using scaled stuff now... |
| 20:09.33 | tarzeau | jelly-home: and it all looks different, on the screen, on a system, printed... it's all shit |
| 20:09.33 | alexIdoia | I found a driver hfsplus that is suppose to give me fullk acces and RW permission on my MAC volumes, I have installed it, and remounted my volume but it is still in read only, am I missing something ?> |
| 20:09.33 | tarzeau | jelly-home: oh and printers that only do postscript half assed |
| 20:09.33 | tarzeau | jelly-home: thank you adobe for not making postscript free |
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| 20:09.39 | tarzeau | alexIdoia: forget it |
| 20:09.43 | tarzeau | alexIdoia: just fucking forget it |
| 20:09.48 | tarzeau | alexIdoia: you can't do it w/ linux |
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| 20:09.58 | tarzeau | alexIdoia: that's mac os HFS/HFS+ crap, you'll just hose it |
| 20:10.04 | setog3 | tarzeau: links don't works .. (404 when downloading nvidia driver) |
| 20:10.14 | purplepenguins | okay, ratpoison looks like what I'd like but it has nasty keybindings |
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| 20:10.24 | tarzeau | setog3: which link? |
| 20:10.25 | jelly-home | tarzeau: good thing is postscript is the only reasonable way to have printers running on Linux, so there's a good number of printers for small-business+ that have decent PS3 |
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| 20:10.44 | alexIdoia | tarzeau: what about this : http://www.ardistech.com/hfsplus/ |
| 20:10.47 | schme | purplepenguins: I remappade those a bit. I use C-z instead of C-t |
| 20:11.04 | schme | purplepenguins: 'course I live in emacs so control is the key I use the most :) |
| 20:11.06 | setog3 | tarzeau: the wget on debian.ethz.ch |
| 20:11.08 | tarzeau | alexIdoia: did you build that? |
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| 20:11.18 | tarzeau | setog3: look at the url and update the nvidia driver version |
| 20:11.33 | setog3 | yes I will do |
| 20:11.41 | alexIdoia | no I apt-get it |
| 20:11.43 | schme | purplepenguins: You need to swap caps lock and control around :) |
| 20:11.46 | peterS | geekbr: in English please |
| 20:11.46 | tarzeau | alexIdoia: ha ha ha |
| 20:11.52 | tarzeau | alexIdoia: you didn't even read the web page, right? |
| 20:11.55 | jelly-home | geekbr: away messages are frowned upon |
| 20:12.06 | purplepenguins | I already swapped caps lock and esc |
| 20:12.17 | tarzeau | alexIdoia: i think you'll want to build your own kernel with that beta release stuff |
| 20:12.17 | schme | arrgh |
| 20:12.22 | alexIdoia | tarzeau: well yes I did, the few lines there are |
| 20:12.24 | schme | Who needs esc? :) |
| 20:12.30 | tarzeau | alexIdoia: it'd be great it gets into linux mainstream |
| 20:12.33 | peterS | schme: anyone who doesn't have a meta key? |
| 20:12.34 | purplepenguins | Vi needs escape |
| 20:12.39 | alexIdoia | tarzeau: I see |
| 20:12.47 | LinuxHelp | Well just by eyeballing it, I would say that switching to a k7 kernel and recompiling vlc has moved me from about 8 fps to 14 fps. Which is still not quite watchable. I wonder, during compile it kept on saying "mtune=pentium2" but I have a "mobile AMD Athlon(tm) 4 Processor", would changing this mtune value help? |
| 20:12.53 | purplepenguins | control isn't useful in vim, but esc is |
| 20:13.05 | tarzeau | alexIdoia: but the stuff is from 2002 and didn't make it still... |
| 20:13.07 | schme | peterS: That's what windows keys are for :) |
| 20:13.14 | tarzeau | alexIdoia: why didn't you use UFS ? |
| 20:13.24 | purplepenguins | my keyboard doesn't have a windows key |
| 20:13.25 | peterS | schme: I don't have windows keys, so my left-alt is meta. it's all good. |
| 20:13.26 | schme | purplepenguins: I tried vi some years ago. It kept beeping at me, so I got scared :( |
| 20:13.33 | jelly-home | LinuxHelp: i'd try custom compile of mplayer and see how it fares |
| 20:13.43 | peterS | purplepenguins: ah right, ESC gets you from non-beep mode to beep mode. |
| 20:13.43 | purplepenguins | I just wish that not every keyboard shortcut was with control |
| 20:14.04 | schme | peterS: Oh yes, you said meta. I was thinking hyper there. |
| 20:14.15 | peterS | schme: hyper is for the foot pedal |
| 20:14.18 | tarzeau | peterS: and i thought it switches from randomly textdestroy mode to input textmode with broken arrow keys |
| 20:14.28 | peterS | I keed, I keed, I don't have a foot pedal for emacs |
| 20:14.29 | setog3 | thx tarzeau |
| 20:14.31 | alexIdoia | tarzeau: hfs works ? |
| 20:14.32 | jelly-home | LinuxHelp: what's max MHz of the cpu, btw? |
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| 20:14.37 | schme | peterS: Oh foot pedals. I have been looking into those. Any recommendations? |
| 20:14.39 | tarzeau | alexIdoia: no, UFS works |
| 20:14.43 | peterS | schme: no |
| 20:14.49 | nvz | anyone know what that word is for things occuring in groups of 3 in literature? |
| 20:14.52 | alexIdoia | tarzeau: so why do you ask me to use it ? |
| 20:14.59 | LinuxHelp | jelly-home, I'm not really sure I should tell you this, but it's 1200 mhz, and I'm running it at 500mhz |
| 20:15.06 | tarzeau | alexIdoia: i said one should use UFS, ufs works |
| 20:15.12 | tarzeau | alexIdoia: i didn't say hfs, or hfs+ |
| 20:15.20 | doudou | hi, where should i go to know what is "port 8000 http-alt" ?* |
| 20:15.21 | jelly-home | LinuxHelp: um... run it at full MHz? :-) |
| 20:15.29 | LinuxHelp | jelly-home, its just that it can't cool itself down properly at that speed |
| 20:15.32 | alexIdoia | ah ok sorry, but will that volume be read and write accessible from a mac ? |
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| 20:15.47 | schme | purplepenguins: Things uses control because the world wants you to stop using vim ;) |
| 20:15.52 | jelly-home | LinuxHelp: continue with custom mplayer then, please :-) |
| 20:15.53 | schme | -s |
| 20:16.04 | purplepenguins | I think it actually is true |
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| 20:16.17 | purplepenguins | either that or they think everyone uses emacs |
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| 20:16.29 | purplepenguins | I don't want to learn emacs |
| 20:16.31 | _josh | herry |
| 20:16.33 | _josh | herro |
| 20:16.38 | _josh | how do you install .deb packages |
| 20:16.43 | peterS | with dpkg -i |
| 20:16.44 | nvz | _josh: dpkg -i |
| 20:16.44 | purplepenguins | I have a perfectly functional operating system, I don't need a new one that runs elips |
| 20:16.45 | alexIdoia | tarzeau: the thing is that I have a mac at work and a linux at home and I am working with heavy file so I have to find a way to share a mobile volume with full access read and write permissions, is it possible with ufs ? |
| 20:16.47 | jelly-home | nvz: tercet? threesome? trio? |
| 20:16.48 | iturk_ | hi there friends i would like to change console resolution. Each files should i edit ? |
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| 20:17.19 | alexIdoia | tarzeau: ? |
| 20:17.20 | sheldonh | hooray. rails working |
| 20:17.21 | tarzeau | alexIdoia: linux has ufs read support, not sure for apples ufs |
| 20:17.24 | schme | purplepenguins: It's mostly emacs users that think everyone uses emacs. .. I am guessing it's a windows thing that somehow transfered to the linux world. The Control thing. |
| 20:17.38 | tarzeau | alexIdoia: i'd use a fileserver w/ rsync. hfs/hfs+ has the extra stuff that all the others don't have, i'd try to avoid them |
| 20:17.40 | Vasistha | iturk_: perhaps you want either the svgatextmode package, or vga=791 in your kernel boot params |
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| 20:18.30 | nvz | jelly-home: na.. its a word that describes a writer constantly using things occuring in groups of 3.. like the 3 little pigs nursery rhyme.. it has nothing to do with the syntax, its just 3 little pigs, 3 little houses.. etc :P |
| 20:18.32 | iturk_ | Vanistha: so maybe vga in boot parameter will more look like knoppix boot section right ? |
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| 20:18.48 | nvz | jelly-home: I'm gonna go get a damn text book.. I can't believe I forgot this |
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| 20:19.19 | vezult | is it possible to allow sftp only on a per-user basis? |
| 20:19.49 | iturk_ | Vanistha: really thanks !!! |
| 20:19.58 | Vasistha | iturk_: try typing vas<TAB> |
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| 20:20.48 | iturk_ | Vasistha: ok it works in bitchx also great |
| 20:20.50 | Vasistha | vezult: do you mean, you are running an sftp server and you want to only allow certain logins, or, you only want to allow certain users to execute the stfp binary to connect to an external server? |
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| 20:21.24 | alexIdoia | tarzeau: ok I will try to build it then |
| 20:21.26 | Vasistha | iturk_: I don't really know what knoppix looks like, but there's a good chance it would be similar |
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| 20:22.11 | iturk_ | ok friends i would like to unsinstall gdm and kdm and xdm and all the other be turn off. But without installing them. After i boot i and only a login shell. How can i do that ? |
| 20:22.26 | tarzeau | !nodm |
| 20:22.26 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 20:22.28 | iturk_ | without unsintalling them i mean |
| 20:22.42 | iturk_ | ok |
| 20:22.46 | tarzeau | iturk_: see the ls /etc/rc2.d/*dm |
| 20:22.56 | nvz | ugh the only text book I see is a damn chemistry book.. I dont know where the hell all my text books are |
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| 20:24.52 | nvz | I don't know why I bother with text books.. I rarely reference them or read em, and I usually just end up losing em.. heh |
| 20:25.30 | sheldonh | !multiverse |
| 20:25.39 | vezult | Vasistha: I found scponly. I think it should do what I need. |
| 20:25.44 | sheldonh | dpkg: you suck :) |
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| 20:27.30 | vezult | sheldonh: why does the fact that dpkg doesn't give you information about an ubuntu specific repository cause it to suck? |
| 20:28.09 | sheldonh | vezult: note the smiley. anything that doesn't instantly do what i want sucks :) |
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| 20:28.57 | orian | can I replace my /home from my debian system with one from my ubuntu system. If so How should I do it? |
| 20:29.17 | Vasistha | orian: it may be rather unwise... |
| 20:29.20 | sheldonh | vezult: didn't know it was an ubuntu-specific repo. was googling for debian limewire and found instructions that suggested it |
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| 20:29.50 | orian | Vasistha, why's that? |
| 20:30.11 | Vasistha | orian: the problem is, if you were using newer versions of some packages, the config files might be quite incompatible. I would recommend copying only the things you want to preserve, by hand, carefully |
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| 20:30.46 | orian | ic thank you very much that would indeed be a problem |
| 20:31.20 | Vasistha | orian: you could try it, though -- first back up your present /home (cp -a /home /bkup-home) and then copy the ubuntu stuff in. you'll want to be in single-user mode (init 1, or boot single-user or rescue mode from grub) |
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| 20:31.55 | peterS | Vasistha: why not just mount the filesystem on top of your /home? that seems simpler |
| 20:31.58 | enouf | iturk: /msg dpkg sysv-rc-conf for easy on/off switching in an ncurses inerface |
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| 20:32.46 | Vasistha | peterS: indeed, I suppose that would save the need to back up -- orian, take note ;) |
| 20:32.47 | orian | thanks Varsistha, it's worth a try |
| 20:32.59 | Vasistha | although it would also make the old home rather inaccessible :P |
| 20:33.39 | iturk_ | friends my system sometimes hangs after some time that i make a login in console. No log files. No key can be pressed. What could be the problem ? |
| 20:34.13 | orian | ok i'm not sure how to do that --'mount the file system on top of /home'? |
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| 20:34.54 | vezult | orian: mount -t <fs type> /device/thingy /home |
| 20:34.59 | sheldonh | fakeroot is cool |
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| 20:35.13 | orian | ok thanks |
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| 20:36.17 | Vasistha | iturk: can you switch vt's with ctrl-alt-f2 or ctrl-alt-f3 ? |
| 20:36.34 | enouf | he's off atm Vasistha |
| 20:36.40 | Vasistha | yeah, I just noticed :P |
| 20:36.53 | Aviator | i've installed debian kde and want to load kde automatically during startup, how do i do this? |
| 20:37.02 | LinuxHelp | I must say, vlc's "X" deinterlacer really isn't worth the cpu cost, "Discard" produces results almost as good with about double the fps. I think I'm gonna stick with 650Mhz and "discard". |
| 20:37.10 | Vasistha | although perhaps his alternate identity will notice it |
| 20:37.13 | enouf | and wouldn't that mounting on /home assume /home is it's own partition? |
| 20:37.49 | doudou | where can i ask questions about security? |
| 20:37.58 | enouf | Vasistha: ahh .. didn't notice, but did notice frequent off/ons, as in attempting diff scenarios, trying out stuff |
| 20:38.01 | Vasistha | that particular mount command would assume that ubuntu's /home is its own partition |
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| 20:38.42 | enouf | right .. thought so .. hope orian realizes that |
| 20:38.46 | Vasistha | doudou: you can ask debian security questions here, we might be able to help you |
| 20:39.09 | enouf | Aviator: in K Control Center |
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| 20:39.31 | Vasistha | iturk_: can you switch vt's with ctrl-alt-f2 or ctrl-alt-f3 ? |
| 20:39.43 | iturk_ | Vasistha: no |
| 20:39.49 | enouf | Aviator: system admin area, you need root(admin mode) to change those settings there, it'll tell you |
| 20:39.54 | vezult | doudou: I think there's a #debian-security on oftc |
| 20:39.55 | Vasistha | iturk_: and you're not in single user mode, I gather |
| 20:40.06 | iturk_ | Vasistha: it has hang now three time when i was displaying the login name |
| 20:40.20 | iturk_ | Vasistha: i am using only console |
| 20:40.28 | enouf | iturk_: KDM starts x differently than a straight startx or whatever |
| 20:40.34 | iturk_ | Vasistha: and i can only unplug the laptop |
| 20:40.52 | iturk_ | enouf: i am not using X |
| 20:40.56 | Vasistha | iturk_: well, can you boot single-user mode? there should be a boot option in grub to boot into single user mode, aka rescue mode ... hopefully there is one in lilo, too |
| 20:41.16 | Aviator | enouf: how do i do this, im in the command line terminal? |
| 20:41.16 | iturk_ | Vasistha: ok i understand i will do it now |
| 20:41.25 | enouf | i really don't want to get involved though , as kdm and whoever really brokw that whole console login interface |
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| 20:41.35 | vezult | iturk_: those allow you to switch between your various _virtual_ terminals. you should have about 6 by default. |
| 20:41.41 | doudou | vasistha i have this log with libpcap : Packet 20369: From: 27.187.192.168: 0 To: 206.207.0.0: 0 ttl 0 -1076710216 * Invalid IP header length: 0 bytes |
| 20:41.45 | enouf | Aviator: startkde |
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| 20:41.55 | iturk_ | vezult: ok i will boot now |
| 20:41.57 | Vasistha | doudou: don't ask me ;) ask the chan |
| 20:42.52 | enouf | Vasistha: be sure and ask iturk how he funally disabled kdm ... ;-P |
| 20:42.54 | Aviator | enouf: i've tried that, but the shell barfs on about startkde doesnt exist |
| 20:43.03 | enouf | Aviator: startx? |
| 20:43.15 | doudou | is there good channels for questions about libpcap or security in general? |
| 20:43.41 | Aviator | enouf: ok, startx works |
| 20:43.48 | Vasistha | doudou: someone earlier mentioned to you #debian-security on irc.oftc.net |
| 20:44.27 | Aviator | and there is no window border, i suspect a window manager is nut running? |
| 20:44.27 | doudou | Vasistha oh sorry i tried here and had no answer, i try |
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| 20:45.00 | Vasistha | doudou: that's alright. good luck to you. and, patience is your friend ... you may have to wait a little while to find the right person who can help you |
| 20:45.06 | doudou | vezult, sorry thanks |
| 20:45.28 | iturk_ | Vasistha: it has done the same in single user! right when i was writting the login: name |
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| 20:45.54 | iturk_ | Vasistha: i cannot press any key and where can i find any log ? |
| 20:46.18 | Vasistha | iturk_: well, that's certainly not good. I'm suspicious of your hardware. is your box clean & free of dust? have you been able to run other OS's on this box recently? |
| 20:46.45 | iturk_ | Vasistha: i have windows without problems |
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| 20:47.02 | iturk_ | Vasistha: it's a LW20 Express from LG |
| 20:47.09 | vezult | iturk_: can you ssh into the machine? |
| 20:47.18 | enouf | Aviator: so this is a new install? used the debian kde cd? do apt-get update && apt-get upgrade .. i wonder what a "update-alternatives --list x-window-manager" says |
| 20:47.25 | iturk_ | vezult: no i just have this machine |
| 20:47.35 | iturk_ | vezult: but i understand your point |
| 20:47.44 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 20:47.44 | dpkg | <kbrooks> i'm taking debian and making a distro out of it |
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| 20:47.51 | Vasistha | teehee |
| 20:47.57 | iturk_ | most of time it happens when i am doing login |
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| 20:48.01 | Aviator | enouf: yes, installed from debian-kde cd |
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| 20:48.09 | iturk_ | and sometimes when i am just writing in console |
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| 20:49.07 | vezult | iturk_: so it works some times, but not others? |
| 20:49.09 | iturk_ | i am afraid to open a console |
| 20:49.23 | iturk_ | vezult: yes right now it's not hanging |
| 20:49.32 | Vasistha | iturk_: are you using X? |
| 20:49.38 | iturk_ | Vasistha: no |
| 20:49.38 | Aviator | enouf: so i need to have an internet connection? |
| 20:49.48 | enouf | Aviator: would be nice ;-) |
| 20:50.19 | Vasistha | iturk_: well, there's /var/log/messages and the other logs in that directory ... I'm not really sure where to look, unfortunately |
| 20:50.24 | iturk_ | it's when i switch doing ctrl+Alt+Fx and then writing on login: |
| 20:51.06 | enouf | Aviator: the 1st cd might not have all that you need .. i don't know what it has exactly, nor what you desire .. an Internet conn eliminates both those possible unknowns |
| 20:51.08 | Vasistha | might it be a loose keyboard connection? |
| 20:51.49 | Aviator | enouf: thanks, ill try |
| 20:51.52 | enouf | remote? |
| 20:51.56 | enouf | Aviator: ok |
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| 20:52.46 | vezult | iturk_: have you ruled out any hardware issues? run memtest86, badblocks, etc? |
| 20:53.30 | Vasistha | iturk_: if you want to give us your ip address, one of us could try to ssh into your box -- just to see if it at least displays a password: prompt |
| 20:53.59 | enouf | maybe low overall system mem ...maybe hitting swap |
| 20:54.12 | enouf | since x is still up , iiuc |
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| 20:55.34 | enouf | er maybe x isn't up .. might mean just switching between the various vts |
| 20:55.42 | iturk_ | Vasistha: looks that in X takes more time to hang |
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| 20:56.04 | iturk_ | Vasistha: it will only happen if i open a console and i start to write |
| 20:56.13 | GeorgeWBushRules | Hi. |
| 20:56.29 | Vasistha | iturk_: if you want to give us your ip address, one of us could try to ssh into your box -- just to see if it at least displays a password: prompt |
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| 20:56.52 | iturk_ | Vasistha: ok i will just add a new user |
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| 20:57.19 | Vasistha | iturk_: heh, if you can get it done before it hangs, right? :P |
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| 20:57.33 | nvz | GeorgeWBushRules: blah |
| 20:57.43 | iturk_ | Vasistha: :P |
| 20:57.57 | doudou | hi |
| 20:57.58 | vezult | iturk_: have you ruled out any hardware issues? run memtest86, badblocks, etc? |
| 20:58.17 | Vasistha | vezult: he said that windows runs fine on the box |
| 20:58.28 | Vasistha | vezult: not that that rules out hardware issues :P |
| 20:58.31 | vezult | Vasistha: ah. yeah, I forgot that. |
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| 20:59.12 | iturk_ | Vasistha: user: irctest pass: irctest |
| 20:59.19 | iturk_ | vezult: no |
| 20:59.41 | iturk_ | vezult, it's really new the system i just installed 3 days ago |
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| 21:00.04 | iturk_ | Vasistha, each ip will you need to connect to my machine ? |
| 21:00.42 | Vasistha | iturk_: well, you probably shouldn't put it in the channel -- you can pm me -- but, run ifconfig. a 192.168 address is not it. |
| 21:01.04 | iturk_ | Vasistha: i have a root here |
| 21:01.13 | vezult | iturk_: are you behind a firewall? |
| 21:01.27 | vezult | iturk_: or do you have sshd running? |
| 21:01.41 | vezult | iturk_: i get "connection refused" |
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| 21:01.46 | Vasistha | iturk_: yeah, like I said -- that 192.168 address is not going to be helpful. that's your local address. |
| 21:01.51 | iturk_ | vezult, i have sshd running i already made some ssh |
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| 21:02.09 | Vasistha | iturk_: are you using a router? |
| 21:02.13 | Curalton | since now aptitude is preferred over apt-get, how do i get the source or the build-deps of a package with it? |
| 21:02.15 | sputnick | hi there! |
| 21:02.24 | iturk_ | Vasistha, yes. ok there is a way to check it's IP ? |
| 21:02.27 | vezult | Vasistha: thet IP that he's connecting to IRC with doesn't work for me. |
| 21:02.28 | Vasistha | Curalton: I think you still do that with apt-get |
| 21:02.29 | h3sp4wn | Curalton: You still use apt-get for that |
| 21:02.48 | Vasistha | vezult: that's probably because the router's blocking the port |
| 21:02.54 | Curalton | meh, so all the nice extended info aptitude writes doesnt help me uninstall build-deps again |
| 21:02.59 | Curalton | ok, thanks |
| 21:03.26 | iturk_ | Vasistha, ok i am acceing router now |
| 21:03.35 | Vasistha | iturk_: you're going to need to log into the router and forward the ssh port. Of course, this is become complex enough that I wonder if it's even worth the trouble, just for this silly little test that isn't really going to give us *that much* useful information :P |
| 21:04.28 | h3sp4wn | Curalton: next time you run aptitude it will clean all the build-deps up (as they were not installed with it) |
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| 21:05.01 | Vasistha | iturk_: it's further complicated by the fact that you're probably using dhcp, and would thus probably need to change to static ip to have that port forwarding work properly. There are all kinds of obstacles to doing this test, and I don't know that it's even going to teach us anything interesting, regardless of the result :( |
| 21:05.12 | Curalton | h3sp4wn: err, also when i use it from cmdline only, not the ncurses intercace |
| 21:06.08 | h3sp4wn | Curalton: Yep |
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| 21:06.55 | h3sp4wn | Curalton: (for the same reason people complain about when aptitude uninstalls programs that were installed with apt-get - in this case it is a benefit) |
| 21:06.56 | Curalton | not seen it do that so far |
| 21:07.01 | wintix | nvz: thanks for recommending eyeq :) (i hope i remember correctly) |
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| 21:07.33 | Curalton | h3sp4wn: does running dist-upgrade make all programs aptitude-alike? |
| 21:07.39 | h3sp4wn | Curalton: definately next time dist-upgrade is done anyway |
| 21:08.15 | Curalton | not ran into problems yet..., but ill keep it in mind |
| 21:08.44 | jirochi | Is it possible to install debian to a usb pendrive and boot it everywhere, not also as unchangable liveusb but as a system that can me modified...? |
| 21:08.46 | rahul | time is mine, I got the blade |
| 21:08.53 | rahul | change your mind, I'll make you ... STAY |
| 21:09.36 | Curalton | jirochi: if the bios supports it, yes |
| 21:09.52 | jirochi | Curalton, just like it installs on hd and runs from it |
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| 21:10.18 | Curalton | yes, my bios lists a USB stick under harddrives if one is plugge in on boot |
| 21:10.20 | iturk_ | Vasistha, it had just hang again :( |
| 21:10.27 | jirochi | Curalton, my bios does support |
| 21:10.30 | iturk_ | two times :o |
| 21:11.31 | jirochi | Curalton, any guide ? |
| 21:12.21 | iturk_ | Vasistha, if you want you can try to do login now |
| 21:12.52 | Vasistha | iturk_: perhaps you should boot a livecd and test for badblocks |
| 21:13.23 | Curalton | jirochi: sorry, no. try a cdinstaller? |
| 21:13.43 | iturk_ | Vasistha, ok each one should i run i have latest knoppix |
| 21:13.48 | rahul | where IS everyone? |
| 21:13.49 | Curalton | jirochi: id just run debootstrap on it and then install a bootloader on it |
| 21:13.53 | rahul | oh, they're enjoying the nice weather |
| 21:13.56 | tarzeau | rahul: switzerland |
| 21:14.16 | rahul | everyone in europe seems to be watching the TV |
| 21:14.27 | rahul | some crappy music contest |
| 21:14.45 | rahul | while I'm going to see two of the best european bands here in nyc tonight :P |
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| 21:16.13 | rahul | oh well, gotta finish getting ready for this moshfest |
| 21:16.41 | Vasistha | iturk_: I have a feeling we're not going to get anywhere testing with ssh. Probably the way to go is to do a badblocks test with knoppix ... and, see how knoppix runs, in general. |
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| 21:17.49 | rogier | Hello there, does somebody know which package provides /usr/bin/gs ? dpkg -S shows me nothing. I'm trying to debug a printing problem. An etch system has no problem, while a sid system does. |
| 21:18.11 | tarzeau | rogier: packages.debian.org |
| 21:18.11 | iturk_ | Vasistha, ok i will do it how can i run that tests ? |
| 21:18.11 | Vasistha | rogier: ghostview or ghostscript probably |
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| 21:18.22 | iturk_ | Vasistha, after i boot with knoppix |
| 21:18.42 | Vasistha | iturk_: man badblocks, and figure out which partition is your root partition; run it on that. |
| 21:18.51 | Vasistha | !badblocks |
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| 21:18.53 | h3sp4wn | Is there a faster backend for apt-file ? (maybe similar to dlocate but for uninstalled stuff) |
| 21:18.56 | rogier | tarzeau, Vasistha, well yes probably. I have to systems (1 ethc, 1 sid) and on both it is not registered by apt. Strange. |
| 21:19.07 | Vasistha | "two" systems? :) |
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| 21:20.30 | iturk_ | Vasistha, so i should check if the disk where my linux it's installed if it has any badblock with that |
| 21:20.41 | rogier | Yes, two computers. Two boxes. On one I have etch installed. On the other sid. Somehow if I print with the sid system, the printer spits out blank pages endlessly. |
| 21:20.54 | Vasistha | iturk_: yeah, that'd be a good test. I'm not sure what else to do |
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| 21:21.14 | sheldonh | !ioquake3 |
| 21:21.58 | iturk_ | Vasistha, live cd's are also nice to work. :P |
| 21:22.08 | soothsay | How can I list all packages that come from a particular component (e.g. non-free or main) |
| 21:22.52 | iturk_ | Vasistha, ok it's in my cd i will boot now |
| 21:23.39 | Oins | Hello. I want to count the printed pages for every user in CUPS. Anyone a clue how I can do this? |
| 21:23.55 | tarzeau | Oins: some printers have a built-in counter |
| 21:25.06 | Vasistha | rogier: looks like /usr/bin -> /etc/alternatives/gs -> /usr/bin/gs-gpl (part of the gs-gpl package) |
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| 21:25.23 | Oins | tarzeau: I want to count the pages seperately for every user. I think my printer doesn't have this feature :( |
| 21:25.38 | Blissex | Oins: log and summarize the log. The problem is that «printed pages» are very difficult to count. |
| 21:26.08 | Blissex | Oins: you may have to write a little script for the specific printer driver that reads the printed page counter at the beginning and end of each job and logs that. |
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| 21:30.15 | Oins | Blissex: do u know a already finished script for that? |
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| 21:31.15 | Miles_Prower | "Welcome to the Sonic and Knuckles TurnPike.","http://members.tripod.com/~PrincessEnigma/","" |
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| 21:31.29 | Blissex | Oins: no... Seen some, but mostly for PostScript printers. If you print via GhostScript it might be also applicable. |
| 21:31.52 | rogier | Vasistha, good point. packages.debian.org couldn't find it either |
| 21:31.55 | ctp | anyone here can give me a hint where to find the .deb for win32codecs? |
| 21:32.11 | Vasistha | !tell ctp about debian-multimedia |
| 21:32.15 | tarzeau | ctp: debian doesn't have one |
| 21:32.18 | nvz | ctp: its w32codecs, and its on debian-ultimedia.org |
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| 21:32.52 | ctp | ok, thx ;-) |
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| 21:44.27 | alien_ | can someome tell me what i need to do to enable XML in apache |
| 21:45.24 | alien_ | anyone? |
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| 21:46.04 | cua0 | sorry |
| 21:46.08 | cua0 | i don't know the answer |
| 21:46.23 | cua0 | its a comfort to know that i read it and responded though, isn't it? |
| 21:46.37 | alien_ | yes |
| 21:46.47 | alien_ | =) |
| 21:46.49 | Vasistha | there's always #apache |
| 21:46.53 | alien_ | mm sure |
| 21:46.56 | alien_ | ill go there |
| 21:47.00 | cua0 | :) |
| 21:47.13 | cua0 | what's the X channel on this network |
| 21:47.28 | cua0 | i've tried #xfree and #xwindow and #x86 |
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| 21:47.49 | jelly-home | cua0: #xorg ? |
| 21:48.05 | cua0 | jelly-home: will try that. thank you |
| 21:48.08 | jelly-home | for a particular implementation of X |
| 21:48.15 | axolx | hey guys -- how can i add the public key of an apt repository so that i can do an apt-get update |
| 21:48.16 | axolx | ? |
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| 21:48.33 | Vasistha | alien_: you can also search for apache- or apache2- on p.d.o ... I see, e.g., libapache2-mod-xmlrpc2 |
| 21:49.25 | Vasistha | axolx: see the /topic ... /msg dpkg no public key |
| 21:50.09 | alien_ | Vasistha: what in the world is p.d.o im noob to linux |
| 21:50.17 | Vasistha | !p.d.o |
| 21:50.17 | dpkg | well, search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
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| 21:50.31 | axolx | Vasistha: how can i tell what key i need? .... public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A70DAF536070D3A1 NO_PUBKEY B5D0C804ADB11277 |
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| 21:51.03 | Vasistha | axolx: well, you need keys for the repositories you are using. the repos should make those keys available for download |
| 21:51.06 | Vasistha | !secure apt |
| 21:51.06 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, secure apt is http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt |
| 21:51.15 | Vasistha | axolx: you can read more there ^^^ |
| 21:51.51 | en1gma | ok my friend just installed http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r0-i386-kde-CD-1.iso and we are updateing to sid as we speak....he watns to know if there is any kind of auto notifier for updates like gnome and other distros |
| 21:52.01 | axolx | Vasistha: i run apt through sudo, so what user should i import the keys as? |
| 21:52.06 | regulate_ | good day |
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| 21:52.54 | Vasistha | axolx: what version of debian are you using |
| 21:53.03 | axolx | Vasistha: sarge |
| 21:53.23 | en1gma | debian 4.0 but updated so sid |
| 21:53.27 | en1gma | i386 version |
| 21:53.52 | Vasistha | axolx: uh oh ... does your sources.list say "stable" or "sarge" in it? Because you may have accidentally half-upgraded to etch |
| 21:54.37 | GeorgeWBushRules | I still run Debian Woody and don't plan on upgrading. Are there any problems with doing this? |
| 21:54.57 | axolx | Vasistha: i thought that was the problem. now i all want to do is update fully to etch, but i cant use apt because of the key thing |
| 21:55.00 | Vasistha | GeorgeWBushRules: well, there are no security updates, so your system may become vulnerable to attack |
| 21:55.19 | GeorgeWBushRules | It is just a httpd and mail server. |
| 21:55.21 | Vasistha | axolx: well, I believe the secure apt wiki page has instructions... |
| 21:56.01 | axolx | Vasistha: ok thanks. last question: if im hlaf upgraded to etch, whats the best way to complete the upgrade? |
| 21:56.11 | Vasistha | GeorgeWBushRules: well, you may want to keep track of any security vulnerabilities in those servers, but I believe you'll have to patch them yourself |
| 21:56.33 | Vasistha | axolx: apt-get dist-upgrade (or aptitude dist-upgrade) |
| 21:56.39 | axolx | Vasistha: thanks |
| 21:56.43 | Vasistha | np |
| 21:56.45 | GeorgeWBushRules | Thanks. |
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| 21:58.49 | Vasistha | en1gma: cat /etc/debian_version should tell you what version you're using |
| 21:59.05 | Vasistha | en1gma: (b/c you're not using debian 4.0) |
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| 22:03.14 | axolx | Vasistha: i think im stuck. i've imported the missing keys but apt-get update still complains about them. i think it's stuck in between releases. can i force it to run in non-secure mode? |
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| 22:06.36 | eat_life | if i build from a pkg-source, how do i apply the debian patches? |
| 22:07.00 | en1gma | did someone say there was an auto notification for updates with debian-40r0-i386-kde-CD-1 updated to sid |
| 22:07.50 | vezult | eat_life: from a debian source package? the patches get applied as part of the process. |
| 22:08.03 | en1gma | or does kde just not use any kind of auto notification |
| 22:08.21 | eat_life | vezult: yes, ok. because once the package is made they don't attach the suffix to signify a patch |
| 22:08.32 | Naib | hi, is there anyway to force-install all the deps of a package? |
| 22:08.35 | eat_life | so debian keeps complaining my pkg built from deb-src is old |
| 22:11.08 | epotash | does anyone know why changing my desktop resolution (actually taking away my second screen) would make xine play videos that are squished in the horizontal direction |
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| 22:11.53 | epotash | im restarting the app in between playing, too |
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| 22:16.40 | x_link | I'm in the directory that I have some music, is it possible to start an mp3 file when I'm in console? |
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| 22:17.33 | Naib | depends on the media player |
| 22:17.38 | LLcoolM | hi, any idea which irda-usb (infrared) devices are compatible with linux? |
| 22:17.55 | x_link | Naib: I use xmms. |
| 22:18.23 | vezult | eat_life: I'm not sure I follow. the standard packages is foo-1 and yours should be foo-2? |
| 22:18.31 | Naib | x_link, don't think so |
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| 22:18.44 | x_link | hmm ok |
| 22:18.51 | Naib | others can |
| 22:18.54 | Naib | bpmx |
| 22:18.57 | Naib | xmms2 |
| 22:19.03 | Naib | mpd |
| 22:19.10 | x_link | Okej |
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| 22:19.16 | x_link | I will download xmms2 then |
| 22:19.21 | vezult | eat_life: try updating the pkg changlog. |
| 22:19.30 | Naib | xmms hasn't been supported in quite some tim |
| 22:19.43 | Naib | got forked to Audacious to carry on with that project |
| 22:20.09 | Naib | well xmms was picked up by bmp and when bmp re-wrote, audacious was born to keep old player going |
| 22:20.19 | tarzeau | why do they always make such horrible airplane+blizzard movies |
| 22:20.26 | x_link | Naib: I just installed xmms2 now, how do I play the song with it now then? |
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| 22:20.39 | vezult | tarzeau: because you're willing to go watch them ;o) |
| 22:20.49 | Naib | xmms2 is purely command-line |
| 22:21.00 | Naib | so try at the command-line to get the options (I don't use sorry) |
| 22:21.07 | Naib | there are GUI clients for it |
| 22:21.09 | tarzeau | vezult: no way, i'm now watching an even worse fighter film |
| 22:21.16 | h3sp4wn | I thought it was a daemon |
| 22:21.19 | tarzeau | vezult: i should sell my tv card... |
| 22:21.43 | Nielsen | is it any good, tarzeau? |
| 22:21.50 | tarzeau | !karate |
| 22:21.51 | dpkg | it has been said that karate is http://tinyurl.com/ypd4nq |
| 22:22.02 | tarzeau | Nielsen: pretty crappy |
| 22:22.03 | x_link | h3sp4wn: Do you know if it's possible for me to start/play a song from my console? |
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| 22:22.29 | Nielsen | never mind then |
| 22:22.42 | tarzeau | Nielsen: kill bill was ok |
| 22:22.50 | tarzeau | but this is so way bad |
| 22:22.53 | h3sp4wn | x_link: almost certainly |
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| 22:23.09 | vezult | tarzeau: I liked the knife fight at the beginning of kb2, but the rest sucked. |
| 22:23.18 | x_link | h3sp4wn: Do you know how to do it? |
| 22:23.47 | h3sp4wn | x_link: Not with xmms2 |
| 22:24.02 | x_link | Which program do you use then? |
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| 22:25.39 | ustunozgur | mpg123 |
| 22:25.54 | Nielsen | uhm is xmms2 any improvement over xmms? |
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| 22:26.03 | Naib | yes |
| 22:26.07 | x_link | Naib: Xmms2 doesn't seem to be GUY |
| 22:26.10 | x_link | err |
| 22:26.11 | x_link | GUI |
| 22:26.22 | x_link | I just installed it and I don't find any icon or anything for it |
| 22:26.24 | tarzeau | ustunozgur: tried opencubicplayer now? |
| 22:26.25 | Naib | no it is the command-line prog/daemon |
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| 22:26.30 | x_link | Okej. |
| 22:26.33 | Naib | there are gui's for it |
| 22:27.01 | ustunozgur | no, not yet, will tell you when I try them all :) gnustep and others too. |
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| 22:28.24 | h3sp4wn | euphoria is the only gui I tried for xmms2 (not that complete either so stopped using it) |
| 22:28.41 | tarzeau | ustunozgur: opencubicplayer is a music player without gnustep from 1994 :) |
| 22:29.33 | ustunozgur | yeah, I meant I'm going to try your packages in batch. |
| 22:29.38 | cua0 | lol |
| 22:29.42 | cua0 | i totally read that wrong |
| 22:31.47 | x_link | Now I fixed it |
| 22:32.12 | x_link | How to open .mp3s in konsole. I installed mplayer and then just type --> mpley "filename" |
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| 22:32.34 | ustunozgur | x_link, mpg123. |
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| 22:33.24 | x_link | ustunozgur: I don't know what that is. |
| 22:33.25 | Trewas | audacious is a decent winamp/xmms lookalike with gtk2 |
| 22:33.27 | x_link | Is that a progam or what? |
| 22:33.40 | ustunozgur | yes, a program. |
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| 22:33.58 | tarzeau | x_link: you can also use opencubicplayer for mp3 |
| 22:34.04 | tarzeau | x_link: and ogg, and any music file |
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| 22:34.18 | x_link | tarzeau: Alright. Thanks! |
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| 22:39.45 | mike__ | Go Lenny |
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| 22:41.07 | cusco | hello dudes |
| 22:41.09 | Alledala | Hi there |
| 22:41.17 | n3kl | How much time does it take for testing to go stable? |
| 22:41.20 | cusco | I can't seem to make xrootconsole show |
| 22:41.23 | Alledala | Question, do any of you use any hosting panel for you server? |
| 22:41.24 | cusco | Im using gnome |
| 22:41.26 | tarzeau | n3kl: two years |
| 22:41.30 | cusco | I wonder why.. |
| 22:41.35 | tarzeau | Alledala: no |
| 22:41.42 | mike__ | cusco: 12-18 mnths |
| 22:41.43 | Alledala | Ok, how come? |
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| 22:42.03 | cusco | mike__: I beg your pardon? |
| 22:42.11 | tarzeau | Alledala: what for? |
| 22:42.19 | tarzeau | Alledala: they can learn html and scp |
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| 22:42.31 | Alledala | scp? |
| 22:42.36 | tarzeau | Alledala: man scp |
| 22:43.11 | Alledala | What has that got to do with a hosting panel? |
| 22:43.33 | tarzeau | Alledala: a hosting panel is not needed when people can make their webpage and transfer it to the hosting place |
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| 22:44.25 | Alledala | tarzeau: A hosting panel simplifies administration and putting up new domains. DNSÅ›, email and user settings. |
| 22:44.48 | Alledala | Why would it not be needed? |
| 22:44.52 | tarzeau | Alledala: ah you mean for the administrators? |
| 22:44.58 | Alledala | Yes, of course. |
| 22:45.16 | tarzeau | Alledala: make some scripts, then make a graphice frontend using the scripts |
| 22:45.16 | Alledala | Maybe im in the wrong channel. |
| 22:46.15 | ZathrasZ | you can use WebMin for that |
| 22:46.26 | ZathrasZ | but not all modules are all that mar=ture |
| 22:46.37 | ZathrasZ | *mature |
| 22:46.38 | Alledala | ZathrasZ: Im using ISPconfig right now. |
| 22:46.42 | Alledala | Seems to be mature. |
| 22:46.58 | cusco | nobody that can tell me about xrootconsole then... |
| 22:47.02 | Alledala | But im not shure about security though, wouldv been nicer to run it on freebsd. |
| 22:47.08 | ZathrasZ | but if you want clicky-clicky(tm) why then use Debian |
| 22:47.23 | Alledala | cusco: What about it? |
| 22:47.25 | ZathrasZ | Redhat Windows sounds more appropriate then |
| 22:47.53 | cusco | Alledala: somehow gnome hides it! |
| 22:48.25 | Alledala | cusco: Maybe its out of the screen? |
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| 22:48.47 | cusco | Alledala: hold on gonna check that |
| 22:48.51 | Alledala | ZathrasZ: Guess you are not running a hosting buissiness. |
| 22:48.59 | ZathrasZ | true |
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| 22:49.21 | Alledala | ZathrasZ: i like doing things manually, but it takes to much time. |
| 22:49.30 | ZathrasZ | But on hosting businesses Plesk is kind if the default standard |
| 22:49.34 | Alledala | ZathrasZ: need to set up accounts in just a few minutes. |
| 22:49.41 | cusco | Alledala: no thats not it |
| 22:49.46 | cusco | do you use gnome? |
| 22:49.46 | Alledala | ZathrasZ: Yes, but it aint that good. |
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| 22:49.54 | ustunozgur | tarzeau: I installed gnustep, how do I start it? |
| 22:50.01 | Alledala | cusco: yes, used it for a few months. |
| 22:50.10 | ZathrasZ | I have automated such tasks for the same reason on some occasions |
| 22:50.11 | tarzeau | ustunozgur: are you in window maker? |
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| 22:50.27 | Alledala | I need to sleep. |
| 22:50.28 | ZathrasZ | but that was by making customized scripts with a php frontend |
| 22:50.29 | tarzeau | ustunozgur: gnustep is like gtk or qt, you don't start it, some programs use it |
| 22:50.29 | Alledala | see ya |
| 22:50.37 | ZathrasZ | bye |
| 22:50.39 | cusco | if I put xrootconsole under the .xsession file, I can see it when I login, just before gome kicks in |
| 22:50.39 | tarzeau | ustunozgur: you can try Terminal.app, or GNUMail.app... |
| 22:50.47 | ustunozgur | OK, thanks. |
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| 22:50.51 | zophy | how do i bind thttpd to a particular ether interface ? |
| 22:51.52 | Nielsen | zophy: -h |
| 22:52.03 | Nielsen | i think |
| 22:53.32 | ZathrasZ | zophy: that depends on the httpd in question. Check the docs for your particular httpd |
| 22:54.03 | LLcoolM | i want to transcode video files for use on a pocketpc. what program can i use for that? |
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| 22:57.24 | mnguyen | how do i figure out how my petitioning scheme looks like? |
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| 22:57.37 | mnguyen | like is there a command to view all partitions and their sizes? |
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| 22:58.02 | cusco | mnguyen: fdisk -l |
| 22:58.14 | cusco | mnguyen: cfdisk |
| 22:58.18 | cusco | mnguyen: or isntall gparted |
| 22:59.36 | nihraguk | yargh! |
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| 23:05.00 | tarzeau | jazbo2185: haha |
| 23:05.03 | Ru6yxx | what is bzflag? A game? |
| 23:05.09 | tarzeau | Ru6yxx: yeah, tanker |
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| 23:07.09 | Ru6yxx | Probably means the army should be looking to recruit someone else |
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| 23:10.36 | cafuego | jazbo2185: lacking leet skillz eh? |
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| 23:10.55 | ustunozgur | tarzeau: ocp is actually very nice. I liked how it pauses :) I couldn't understand gnustep, I will try the livecd. |
| 23:11.11 | tarzeau | ustunozgur: yeah the live cd is very good, try that |
| 23:11.34 | Ru6yxx | Ingenuity may be required......sleep on it, maybe and try again tomorrow, but don't give up |
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| 23:12.23 | stoned | hey |
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| 23:12.27 | stoned | whats up |
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| 23:13.06 | georgy_ | supaplex |
| 23:13.17 | diepe1 | ? |
| 23:13.41 | diepe1 | a sumo wrestling move ? |
| 23:14.03 | stoned | what |
| 23:14.12 | stoned | thats a suplex |
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| 23:15.01 | diepe1 | maybe a supaplex is a big suplex ? |
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| 23:15.23 | stoned | maybe |
| 23:15.56 | setog3 | hmm I don't understand I try all .. and get this failed to determine PATCHLEVEL when I want to build nvidia kernel module on debian sid with module assistant, if someone can help me please |
| 23:16.15 | karsten | diepe1: It's a cluster of 'em. |
| 23:16.21 | stoned | karsten: yo |
| 23:16.28 | bugster | büdäää |
| 23:16.30 | bugster | ups |
| 23:16.34 | stoned | buda? |
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| 23:18.31 | bugster | nope krishna |
| 23:18.42 | bugster | krishna++ |
| 23:18.52 | bugster | lol |
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| 23:26.12 | bugster | now i can play a round of bridge |
| 23:26.16 | bugster | heh |
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| 23:27.09 | diepe1 | bugster: where do you play bridge ? online |
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| 23:27.48 | bugster | diepe1: yes |
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| 23:30.58 | spheard | Hi, I'm currently in the middle of migrating an openvz virtual server. Its all ready transferred far more than the size of the server image. any idea how I can check whats going on? any way I can see what disk activity is happening maybe? |
| 23:31.12 | spheard | I think its got trapped in some kind of loop |
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| 23:37.49 | mnguyen | how do i add a user to a group without having him lose his previous group associations? |
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| 23:38.21 | dondelelcaro | mnguyen: adduser user group; man adduser; |
| 23:39.15 | mnguyen | dondelelcaro: i don't want to create a new user... i want to add the existing user to a new group |
| 23:39.40 | embrace | can anyone help me in configuring a bandwidth limitation on a debian server using trickle and apache2? |
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| 23:41.09 | siimo | damn i was getting some random disk read error null pointer exceptions and thought it was my hdd issue turns out its cause i was using gcj instead of sun-jre |
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| 23:43.31 | Xenguy | Hi - I bought a Thinkpad laptop today and am trying to install debian... |
| 23:43.43 | dondelelcaro | mnguyen: yes... which is why you use adduser user group; |
| 23:43.52 | dondelelcaro | mnguyen: man adduser; for details. |
| 23:43.59 | siimo | Xenguy: good |
| 23:44.07 | Xenguy | Unfortunately the hard disk is not detected and the installation routine is now asking me to choose (drivers?) from a list... |
| 23:44.16 | tarzeau | Xenguy: etch? |
| 23:44.24 | Xenguy | tarzeau: lenny |
| 23:44.41 | Xenguy | The hard drive is a TOSHIBA MK4018GAP |
| 23:44.57 | Xenguy | I have STFW but am coming up empty :-( |
| 23:45.12 | siimo | what is STFW |
| 23:45.26 | Xenguy | search the fine <ahem> web |
| 23:45.28 | Xenguy | :-) |
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| 23:45.45 | Xenguy | I need to know what driver to use for this hard disk |
| 23:45.50 | Xenguy | (I think) |
| 23:45.52 | mike__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:46.05 | mike__ | :) |
| 23:46.13 | siimo | Xenguy: i suggest you get the latest and gratest of some live CD like ubuntu or knoppix or something and boot with it and see if it detects it |
| 23:46.25 | siimo | choose one with newest kernel |
| 23:47.15 | edju | any console app that can recognize id3 tags in mp3s, extract files with tag of "foo" and mv/cp them to directory "bar"? too many to do one-by-one. |
| 23:47.16 | Xenguy | siimo: I tried a debian live CD and it worked fine; the install CD I'm using is 'lenny' which is the latest weekly build of Debian Testing |
| 23:47.32 | tarzeau | Xenguy: which debina live cd did you try? |
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| 23:47.34 | bolt | there's a weird graphics card in a box i got here... Number Nine Imagine 128 II. Do any of you happen to know what the heck that is? I know it's not really on topic, but with so many computer people, there might be a chance? |
| 23:47.38 | tarzeau | Xenguy: you could cdebootstrap install it |
| 23:47.58 | siimo | Xenguy: well it still has .18 kernel doesn't it... also with the live CD what was the driver did you check lspci / lsmod |
| 23:48.00 | tarzeau | bolt: yeah i heard of those cards |
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| 23:49.09 | Xenguy | siimo tarzeau sorry I don't know offhand what the specs are on the Debian Live CD; I think it would be simplest if I could just find out the right driver for this hard disk? |
| 23:49.27 | Xenguy | tarzeau: what is a cdebootstrap? |
| 23:49.34 | siimo | Xenguy: yeah well go boot with it again and look at lspci |
| 23:49.45 | tarzeau | Xenguy: Bootstrap a Debian system |
| 23:50.13 | Xenguy | tarzeau: can you explain generally what this means? |
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| 23:50.24 | bolt | tarzeau: all i can seem to find on google is various lists of supported hardware for different things. do you happen to know if this is actually a decent card that i should bother getting the proper drivers for, or if I should just replace it with some standard nvidia card? |
| 23:50.25 | tarzeau | Xenguy: install debian manually |
| 23:50.43 | tarzeau | bolt: just pick the right driver for x? |
| 23:50.44 | Xenguy | siimo: will lspci identify the hard disk driver? Or is there some other reason you suggest 'lspci' ? |
| 23:50.50 | vladuz976 | does anybody know how i can sort data to plot with gnuplot? |
| 23:51.02 | siimo | Xenguy: it will tell you what your ide or sata controller is |
| 23:51.27 | Xenguy | siimo: OK, I will boot up the Live Debian CD, run lspci, and report back |
| 23:51.32 | andmalc | Xenguy: If you're looking for a good live CD, grml is pretty cool and uses 2.6.20 |
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| 23:53.17 | en1gma | hey all as some of you know we upgraded debian 4.0 kde to sid....now i want my friend to be able to get the new kernel with no problems....what does he need to type in kpackage to get it to list all he needs |
| 23:53.39 | Xenguy | andmalc: can I install off that live CD also? |
| 23:53.41 | en1gma | linux-image or kernel |
| 23:53.59 | Xenguy | andmalc: and is it debian? |
| 23:54.25 | spheard | sorry, basic question. Whats the best way to wrap up a directory structure for transmission? I tried tar but It was being weird. |
| 23:54.33 | andmalc | Xenguy: yes, it is. Lots of cool hardcore shell stuff like zsh |
| 23:54.38 | vladuz976 | is R the name of the package? |
| 23:55.18 | bugster | meEeEeEeE |
| 23:55.30 | bugster | anyshephard |
| 23:55.32 | andmalc | Xenguy: grml is at grml.org |
| 23:55.35 | bugster | meEeEeEeE |
| 23:55.38 | Xenguy | andmalc: I don't think this will help me install debian, and so is a blind alley AFAICT |
| 23:55.45 | Xenguy | andmalc: tx anyway |
| 23:55.48 | bugster | someone wanna lamb me ? |
| 23:57.08 | andmalc | Xenguy: I mentioned it as someone suggested booting with a live CD with a new kernel - you can actually install it to harddisk too BTW. Anyway ... |
| 23:57.27 | bolt | spheard: tar generally concidered is the best way, given you actually *need* to wrap it up at all. i usually just use scp recursively to transfer directories from one box to another |
| 23:57.47 | Xenguy | andmalc: thank you again, but I am focussed on a debian install right now; not interested in other distributions ATM |
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| 23:58.57 | andmalc | Xenguy: maybe you missed my response - it is a Debian-based rescue and sys-admin CD, FWI - sorry this didn't help, though. |
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