| 00:00.05 | nalioth | sorry folks :( |
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| 00:00.26 | CyberMad | does anyone here can help me to dig / nslookup ayowisata.com ,what is the DNS result? |
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| 00:00.50 | CyberMad | i changing my domain nameserver, just checking if that's work |
| 00:01.19 | cafuego | CyberMad: dns[1-4].masterwebnet.com. |
| 00:01.45 | cafuego | 74.52.118.114/38.100.80.247/202.78.201.114/202.78.201.114 |
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| 00:02.09 | cafuego | And stay out! |
| 00:02.16 | CyberMad | cafuego thanks a lot :) it's already changed.. but my ISP hasn't refresh the DNS :( |
| 00:02.26 | andmalc | I have a question: how do I copy a root partition into a smaller sized partition? This would be while booted from a live CD |
| 00:02.50 | cafuego | andmalc: rsync or cp come to mind |
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| 00:03.57 | Zeelot3k | helloo |
| 00:04.09 | bolt | andmalc: given the smaller partition has enough space to begin with, and is already formatted with the file system of your choice, just copy the files like you normally would, with the tools cafuego suggested |
| 00:04.27 | bolt | !greet Zeelot3d |
| 00:04.27 | dpkg | Hi there, Zeelot3d |
| 00:04.35 | bolt | gah. 3k* |
| 00:04.40 | Zeelot3k | =P |
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| 00:04.58 | Zeelot3k | is there an easy way of moving a debian installation from one drive to another? |
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| 00:05.14 | andmalc | bolt: OK, thanks guys - it's just that simple, it seems |
| 00:05.17 | cafuego | Zeelot3k: rsync or cp come to mind |
| 00:05.46 | bolt | Zeelog3k: given the smaller partition has enough space to begin with, and is already formatted with the file system of your choice, just copy the files like you normally would, with the tools cafuego suggested |
| 00:05.50 | ApEtc | cafuego: I had to scroll back to verify that you did indeed just answer the same question twice. :) |
| 00:05.59 | bolt | why do I keep misspelling that nick? |
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| 00:06.11 | cafuego | bolt: not using tab completion? |
| 00:06.17 | andmalc | cafuego: thanks to you too. I thought maybe you couldn't copy /dev but I guess that's just when the filesystem is live |
| 00:06.25 | bolt | cafuego: don't have it atm |
| 00:06.28 | Zeelot3k | I joined right after didn't I? |
| 00:06.34 | cafuego | tssk |
| 00:06.36 | nvz | I wonder why I still have firefox on my system... seems upgrading didn't ever change that to iceweasel |
| 00:06.48 | cafuego | Zeelot3k: yep :-) |
| 00:06.50 | nvz | was sarge released with firefox as well? |
| 00:06.56 | nvz | er etch |
| 00:06.57 | cafuego | nvz: rsync or cp come to mind |
| 00:07.08 | bolt | heh |
| 00:07.13 | nvz | cafuego: I dont see what that has to do with anything |
| 00:07.16 | cafuego | That didn't work, did it |
| 00:07.28 | cafuego | nvz: I think etch has iceweasel |
| 00:07.33 | cafuego | !info firefox etc |
| 00:07.38 | nvz | I know etch has iceweasel |
| 00:07.48 | nvz | I just installed etch for my friend last night and he has it, and i |
| 00:07.49 | georgy_ | I confirm |
| 00:07.51 | ustunozgur | nvz: maybe you have to update alternatives |
| 00:07.52 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:08.14 | cafuego | firefox: (Transition package for iceweasel rename) |
| 00:08.18 | Zeelot3k | what about swap partitions? how does it know to use the one on the new drive and not the old? |
| 00:08.21 | nvz | what I am saying is I have been running etch since it was testing.. I am not understanding why new installers have iceweasel, and I have firefox still |
| 00:08.35 | cafuego | nvz: See? |
| 00:08.43 | nvz | seems debian's intelligent package management is suppose to fix this stuff |
| 00:08.48 | n3kl | Isn't conkey a system monitor? |
| 00:08.57 | cafuego | No, but conky is. |
| 00:08.59 | ustunozgur | nvz: did you install iceweasel? |
| 00:09.03 | nvz | cafuego: are you even listening to what I am saying? :P |
| 00:09.04 | n3kl | cafuego: ah, thanks |
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| 00:09.18 | nvz | ustunozgur: no, but I shouldnt have to.. firefox doesnt exist.. it should just be a meta package now |
| 00:09.22 | cafuego | nvz: should i? ;-) |
| 00:09.41 | nvz | ustunozgur: I don't think you even know what I am talking about. |
| 00:09.51 | ustunozgur | nvz: maybe the distribution doesn't want to force users to switch. |
| 00:09.58 | ustunozgur | ? |
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| 00:10.06 | nvz | ustunozgur: yeah you definatly dont know what I am talking about |
| 00:10.17 | cafuego | nvz: I expect there is a Provides: as opposed to a Conflicts: that's not making iceweasel be pulled in. |
| 00:10.39 | nvz | cafuego: I'm thinking I should file a bug |
| 00:10.50 | nvz | but its too late |
| 00:10.56 | nvz | cause etch released |
| 00:10.58 | nvz | heh |
| 00:11.04 | cafuego | nvz: I'm of the opinion the whole iceweasel rename is retarded, so I won't comment. |
| 00:11.10 | nvz | cafuego: heh |
| 00:12.47 | nvz | still it seems to me that if I am running testing and a package in it gets renamed, and then its released as stable and I upgrade it should seemlessly install the new renamed package |
| 00:12.51 | Nemoder | I think ubuntu has the right idea when it comes to trademarks and their "remix" idea |
| 00:13.12 | nvz | I'm not sure wtf the firefox metapackage is for, if it didnt facilitate the transition for me |
| 00:13.17 | nvz | being a pre-release etch user |
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| 00:13.31 | cafuego | Nemoder: Guess what, the official debian logo isn't open-licensed. |
| 00:14.11 | Nemoder | yes I know, I was thinking more along the lines that mozilla should have done that |
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| 00:14.31 | cafuego | It's really not up to debian to say what another organisation can and cannot do. |
| 00:14.58 | cafuego | Mnd you, preventing security fixes going out in a timely fashing is stupid as well. |
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| 00:15.51 | {Nathan} | Whenever I am in a text mode, it only uses a 640x480 block of the screen in the middle of the LCD panel. It's been doing this (even in the bios) since I was working with the framebuffer. Any ideas on how to fix this? |
| 00:15.55 | Nemoder | I just think we'd all be better off if mozilla allowed a 'firefox-debian-remix' instead of having to use an entirely different name like 'iceweasel' |
| 00:17.01 | {Nathan} | I think we'd all be better off if mozilla allowed a "firefox" instead of having to use an entirely different name like 'iceweasel' |
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| 00:17.14 | ustunozgur | {Nathan}: in the bios, there must be an option for that. |
| 00:17.33 | Nemoder | well I can perfectly understand mozilla not wanting to deal with debian issues |
| 00:17.35 | {Nathan} | ustunozgur: I can't change anything in the bios and havn't been able to for about 3 years. |
| 00:17.48 | cafuego | Or not, my laptop can't do that (so I use fbdev to get a 1024x768 console) |
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| 00:18.37 | {Nathan} | The thing is, it used to stretch the text out to the whole screen no matter what. |
| 00:19.02 | {Nathan} | Now it only uses 640x480, no matter what. |
| 00:19.02 | ustunozgur | {Nathan}: could it be that somehow, while in service, the bios was reset? |
| 00:19.54 | {Nathan} | ustunozgur: The bios have never been reset -- although I wish they were, because I put an admin password on them before I went on vacation and now I can't remember it -- so I can't change anything in them. |
| 00:20.45 | ustunozgur | why don't you plug out the battery? |
| 00:20.58 | Miles_Prower | {Nathan}: try fn-f5 |
| 00:20.58 | {Nathan} | it's a laptop. |
| 00:21.26 | Miles_Prower | {Nathan}: either that or FN-F7 is normally screen stretch |
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| 00:22.10 | {Nathan} | Miles_Prower: It's not doing anything when I do the FN keys, should I try it in the bios? |
| 00:22.24 | Miles_Prower | Before OS loads fully, yes |
| 00:22.28 | Miles_Prower | do it in a text mode. |
| 00:22.49 | {Nathan} | Miles_Prower: mmk, brb |
| 00:24.04 | spheard | bolt, yeah just discovered scp :-) thanks |
| 00:24.20 | bolt | spheard: np |
| 00:24.42 | {Nathan} | Miles_Prower: screen ftw. In the BIOS config screen, it's fullscreen... |
| 00:25.22 | Miles_Prower | {Nathan}: then it isn't the laptop doing it. |
| 00:25.56 | {Nathan} | But it does it in _all_ other text modes |
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| 00:26.57 | sandman | How long should a flash drive last, if it's using ext3 and is being written to often? |
| 00:27.04 | sandman | Maybe a few days? |
| 00:27.37 | ustunozgur | {Nathan}: didn't you earlier said it was not fullscreen in bios? |
| 00:28.11 | {Nathan} | ustunozgur: It's not, when it shows the dell logo and the loading bar and in grub. But it is fullscreen in the bios config screen. |
| 00:29.24 | ustunozgur | btw {Nathan} I think it is the better option to have it not expand. Maybe you should change the console resolution instead. |
| 00:29.47 | {Nathan} | ustunozgur: With fbset, eg fbset -xres 800 -yres 600 ? |
| 00:30.42 | ustunozgur | b/c it is crude interpolation. I don't know about fbset, sorry, but as far as i remember, it was something in the menu.list |
| 00:31.18 | {Nathan} | ustunozgur: Yes, I know about that -- it still just occupies the original 640x480 block in the middle of the screen. |
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| 00:32.19 | Xenguy | siimo: lspci give 'IDE interface: Intel 82801CAM IDE U100 (rev 02) |
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| 00:32.29 | Xenguy | oh, he's gone |
| 00:32.34 | live | hello can you help me with my sound card? |
| 00:32.49 | Xenguy | OK back to the channel... |
| 00:33.09 | live | i have a Creative Vibra16C ISA PNP card |
| 00:33.21 | {Nathan} | live: what is wrong with it? |
| 00:33.30 | live | i can use alsaconf to get it work |
| 00:33.52 | live | but after I reboot, i have to run alsaconf to load it again |
| 00:33.52 | Xenguy | lspci gives 'IDE interface: Intel 82801CAM IDE U100 (rev 02); Debian lenny/testing doesn't automatically detect the 'TOSHIBA MK4018GAP' hard disk in this Thinkpad laptop... |
| 00:34.14 | {Nathan} | live, are you sure the volume is up when you reboot? |
| 00:34.16 | Xenguy | ... The installer wants to know what driver to use... |
| 00:34.23 | Xenguy | Can anyone help? |
| 00:34.25 | live | what volume? |
| 00:34.43 | live | the problem is not volume |
| 00:34.53 | live | the module not loaded |
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| 00:35.04 | {Nathan} | Do you know which module it is? |
| 00:35.13 | georgy_ | live : have look in /etc/modules |
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| 00:35.20 | live | the startup log said"Setting up ALSA...none loaded" |
| 00:35.39 | {Nathan} | My video card doesn't have framebuffer modules -- it's ATI. Should I use vgastate or vfb? |
| 00:35.57 | live | after I run alsaconf, I can see many snd modules |
| 00:36.31 | live | but those modules can not remembered by the kernel after a reboot |
| 00:36.50 | georgy_ | live : put it in /etc/modules and it will work at startup |
| 00:37.43 | live | it is already written by ALSA in the file "/etc/modules.d/sound" |
| 00:38.21 | live | sorry /etc/modprobe.d/sound |
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| 00:39.12 | Swat2 | I have a random question... I have 4x 250gb hard drives. i placed them in a raid 5 arrangement, that should give me 750gb right?.. it only shows up as 688GB's in "df -h" and my 80gb hard drive shows up as 72gb's.. how the hell does that work? I copied 284gb's from another server, but it shows up as 343gb's on my server... ?!?!? any ideas.. |
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| 00:39.39 | georgy_ | live : but /etc/modules will active the module at start |
| 00:40.12 | live | georgy, do I need copy all lines in /etc/modprobe.d/sound to /etc/modules? |
| 00:40.13 | {Nathan} | live: cat /etc/modprobe.d/sound >> /etc/modules |
| 00:40.45 | georgy_ | live : no only the module , like : snd-intel8x0, but that's for My soundcard |
| 00:40.54 | live | Thank you. let me try |
| 00:41.03 | live | o i c |
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| 00:43.11 | acu | I shared a folder in a Windows Machine I went to Debian open Conqueror and type smb://192.168.0.4/sharename --- it prompts me for the password I enter the name of Administrator and password (which corresponds to the windows machine) - I can see the shared directory in Windows - however I want to transfer some files from the Debian to Windows and it tells me the Access Denied how can I solve this problem ? |
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| 00:44.05 | Miles_Prower | Q: Why does thunar store it's trash in such an obscure location as /root/.local/share/Trash |
| 00:44.26 | Miles_Prower | 2nd: Thunar apparently doesn't support deleting trash containing chars like $ and ? |
| 00:44.40 | Miles_Prower | in the filenames |
| 00:45.00 | Miles_Prower | (the relation is, I had to hunt down the folder by hand and rm -r it. |
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| 00:45.34 | CakerX | oops |
| 00:45.36 | CakerX | sup |
| 00:45.40 | live | georgy, my starting log still said"Setting up Alsa...Done(none loaded)" |
| 00:46.29 | georgy_ | live : then, I don't know how I can help you |
| 00:47.43 | live | if i run alsaconf, then i can get it work |
| 00:48.11 | live | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:49.35 | {Nathan} | What's the key combo to get X to use the numpad for mouse control? |
| 00:50.16 | en1gma | my friend has onboard video. this is what lspci reports. "Intel Corporation 82865g/pe/p Dram Conroller/Host/Hub Interface (rev 02)... i want to know how i can tell if the video card driver is installed and being used |
| 00:50.25 | en1gma | can someone tell me what i need to look for in lsmod |
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| 00:52.10 | ustunozgur | {Nathan}: ctrl-shift-num lock |
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| 00:52.52 | en1gma | hello anyone |
| 00:53.04 | ustunozgur | everybody is asleep. |
| 00:53.08 | en1gma | i guess so :) |
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| 00:53.53 | live | my lsmod reports 18 modules starting with "snd" |
| 00:54.29 | live | what can I do, if all those 18 modules disappear after a reboot? |
| 00:54.35 | live | thank you |
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| 00:55.41 | nvz | live: install alsa-base |
| 00:56.06 | nvz | or whatever that new sound base meta-package is |
| 00:56.14 | georgy_ | live : you need to know only the module for you sound card, if you don't know search on the web after the right module |
| 00:56.23 | live | nvz, u mean i have to apt-get install alsa-base, even I have alsaconf? |
| 00:56.47 | Fly-Man- | Any people familiar with configuring samba ? |
| 00:56.52 | nvz | live: I think alsaconf is part of alsa-utils not alsa-base |
| 00:56.54 | live | georgy ,i know the name |
| 00:57.07 | live | nvz, i'll try |
| 00:57.17 | nvz | live: but either way if you run alsaconf it shoud have taken care of everything such as loading the sound modules and mixer settings on boot |
| 00:57.30 | georgy_ | and if you put in /etc/modules, it will not work ? strange |
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| 00:58.16 | live | georgy, the alsa website says the vibra16c PNP's module name is 'snd-sb16'. i have put it in /etc/modules |
| 00:58.24 | nvz | georgy_: these days all that stuff is fairly automagic.. its not 1998 and this isnt slackware we are talking about |
| 00:58.47 | nvz | live: if you stop doing things manually and listen for half a second you wont have to keep doing things the hard way |
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| 00:59.07 | nvz | alsa is a fairly sentient entity these days |
| 00:59.13 | nvz | if installed properly |
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| 00:59.19 | live | nvz. i will try alsabase |
| 00:59.21 | georgy_ | nvz : okay, but it seems automatic don't work, hé ? |
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| 01:00.05 | nvz | georgy_: you havent even determined if he even installed the alsa packages or ran the config yer.. so why are you moving on to manual troubleshooting which is probably why his stuff isnt working now |
| 01:00.23 | live | nvz, my system already has the newest alsa-base installed |
| 01:00.28 | ustunozgur | live: I know it's ugly; but sometimes I find it easier to purge the packages; and reinstall. So, as a last resort, keep that in mind, too. |
| 01:00.45 | nvz | live: did you run alsaconf? |
| 01:01.09 | live | ustunozgur, purge which? |
| 01:01.17 | {Nathan} | When I boot my computer, KDM starts just fine and displays a background on both monitors. However, when I start _any_ wm, it shows a mouse for about 1 second then returns to KDM. startx does not work at all and I can't find any error messages. |
| 01:01.34 | live | nvz, i did not install any alsa-base because it is already installed |
| 01:02.06 | georgy_ | nvz : huh ? It's a simple way to do, but go your way, it's fine for me ! |
| 01:02.09 | live | i had to run alsaconf everytime I reboot |
| 01:02.12 | triplc | What I can use instead of apache2? I use apache for the production server (i think apache is good and stable), but here, in my laptop (php+mysql) i also use apache... but I think it maybe too big for the development need. Could you please suggest a light version of http for local developement of php+mysql? |
| 01:02.12 | ustunozgur | live: first try reinstalling alsa-base and alsaconf, if that doesn't work, purge them and install. |
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| 01:02.36 | nvz | georgy_: a simple way that doesnt integrate with the system and wont hold across upgrades of kernel, alsa, or hardware |
| 01:02.51 | ustunozgur | btw you are running alsaconf as root obviously, right? |
| 01:02.53 | {Nathan} | triplc: I forget what it's called, but it's in DSL and it has the word monkey in it. Try googling monkey web server. |
| 01:02.59 | nvz | georgy_: alsaconf goes WAY beyond figuring out a module and putting it in /etc/modules and loading it |
| 01:03.09 | live | ustunozgur, i will try., i did run it as root |
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| 01:04.02 | georgy_ | nvz : nopes ! But don't care, I hope He will have sound. |
| 01:04.08 | live | btw what's the command to remove a package? apt-get uninstall? |
| 01:04.16 | triplc | {Nathan}: thanks, i'll google to see. |
| 01:04.20 | georgy_ | nvz: by your way |
| 01:04.22 | {Nathan} | live: apt-get remove |
| 01:04.29 | EruditeHermit | hey, when I try to open a gzipped text file such as the READMEs in /usr/share/doc/*/*, I get Error detected while processing function gzip#read from vim |
| 01:04.32 | EruditeHermit | can anyone help? |
| 01:04.35 | live | Nathan than you |
| 01:04.49 | nvz | I'm going back to reading my book since the issue has been pulled in 10 different directions without first detemining the problem |
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| 01:05.30 | ustunozgur | live: did you try reinstall? |
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| 01:05.57 | karrotx | does anyone have any high res pictures of data centers? |
| 01:06.14 | Usuario9957 | error while loading shared libraries: libmysqlclient.so.10: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 01:06.50 | live | ustunozgur, i am reinstalling |
| 01:06.59 | ustunozgur | btw live if you want to remove, it might be better to purge it, by passing --purge parameter. |
| 01:07.02 | Nielsen | Usuario9957: did you try apt-get install libmysqlclient |
| 01:07.32 | Usuario9957 | E: Couldn't find package libmysqlclient |
| 01:07.34 | Usuario9957 | ohh |
| 01:07.52 | Nielsen | ustunozgur: err libmysqlclient14 then? |
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| 01:07.54 | live | ustunozgur, you mean apt-get remove alsa-base --purge? |
| 01:08.13 | Nielsen | Usuario9957: apt-cache search libmysqlclient |
| 01:08.19 | live | ustunozgur, you mean apt-get remove alsa-base --purge? |
| 01:08.58 | Usuario9957 | libmysqlclient10-dev |
| 01:08.58 | Usuario9957 | ? |
| 01:09.00 | ustunozgur | yes live. Sorry Nielsen, not you. |
| 01:09.04 | Usuario9957 | or libmysqlclient10? |
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| 01:09.38 | Nielsen | Usuario9957: dev is for development files, so unless you're compiling, i doubt thats what you want |
| 01:10.26 | Usuario9957 | :o |
| 01:11.20 | Usuario9957 | staminus107:/# apt-get install libmysqlclient10 |
| 01:11.21 | Usuario9957 | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 01:11.21 | Usuario9957 | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 01:11.21 | Usuario9957 | libmysqlclient10 is already the newest version. |
| 01:11.21 | Usuario9957 | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 131 not upgraded. |
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| 01:11.39 | triplc | {Nathan}: ah... i see the monkey, but it looks like Monkey webserver is not in the Etch repo... maybe it is too new (v0.9.2) |
| 01:11.54 | ustunozgur | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:14.11 | acu | can anyone tell me what I need to do so a Debian shared can be accessed from windows ? ---- I already installed smbfs shared the folder in Debian - from the windows machine I attempt to access the Debian share and it challenges me with username and password - I used both a debian user or root and it still denies me - what do I need to add in Debian so it allows windows user to access the smb shared file ? |
| 01:14.58 | stoned | acu: install samba smbclient |
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| 01:15.12 | Usuario9957 | rpm -e mysql-3.23.58-1 |
| 01:15.14 | stoned | acu: edit /etc/samba/smb.conf and edit your shares |
| 01:15.39 | stoned | acu: after you modify the file to your liking, make sure security=user |
| 01:15.45 | stoned | acu: then as root, smbpasswd -a username |
| 01:15.57 | stoned | acu: username on debian must be same as windows |
| 01:16.06 | stoned | acu: then /etc/init.d/samba restart |
| 01:16.15 | stoned | acu: then NOT as root, smbclient -L localhost |
| 01:16.27 | stoned | acu: if you connect, you're good, you can access debian through windows. |
| 01:16.46 | stoned | acu: smbfs and mounting windows shares is a seperate process |
| 01:17.26 | live | ustunozgur, still same problem |
| 01:17.49 | stoned | acu: let me know how it works out for you ok? |
| 01:17.55 | live | setting up ALSA ...done. (none loaded) |
| 01:17.57 | NefariousPrior | I've just installed a minimal system with openbox as the only window manager. Does anyone know if there is a decent icon pack that doesn't require gnome or kde libs ? |
| 01:18.11 | stoned | NefariousPrior: icons in openbox? |
| 01:18.31 | NefariousPrior | stoned: hehe, it's for pypanel and a filemanager. |
| 01:18.42 | stoned | NefariousPrior: which file manager? |
| 01:19.06 | NefariousPrior | stoned: Havn't decided yet. I just want a decent set of icons. |
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| 01:19.13 | stoned | NefariousPrior: just get whatever icons you want and put them in ~/.icons |
| 01:19.18 | ustunozgur | live: do you have an onboard soundcard too? |
| 01:19.39 | live | no, only one sound card |
| 01:19.48 | NefariousPrior | stoned: I was looking for a package in the debian repository. |
| 01:20.37 | stoned | NefariousPrior: apt-cache search icon|less |
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| 01:21.34 | NefariousPrior | stoned: that's a huge list, but I guess it couldn't hurt to look it over. |
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| 01:22.06 | linux2 | i have a cd with a data track and an audio track and i want to close the session. how can i do this? |
| 01:22.12 | linux2 | i cannot find info on it anywehre |
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| 01:24.33 | acu | stoned: thanks - it worked |
| 01:24.41 | acu | stoned: now I do not wonder why only 0.01 % of the users use linux .... |
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| 01:25.28 | Genscher | hey :) |
| 01:25.36 | Genscher | is "stable"=sarge? |
| 01:25.53 | OrangeRoot1k | Genscher: no etch |
| 01:26.08 | OrangeRoot1k | Genscher: old stable is sarge |
| 01:26.09 | Genscher | and sarge is testing? |
| 01:26.15 | Genscher | ah, ok fine :) |
| 01:26.17 | OrangeRoot1k | Genscher: lenny is testing |
| 01:26.18 | Genscher | thank you very much |
| 01:26.24 | shogunx | acu same reason 98% of people do not qualify for mensa |
| 01:26.47 | acu | shogunx: what is mensa ? |
| 01:26.59 | Genscher | and debian_version 4.0 is sarge? |
| 01:27.11 | ustunozgur | no, it's etch |
| 01:27.12 | OrangeRoot1k | Genscher: debian 4 is etch |
| 01:27.19 | ustunozgur | testing is lenny |
| 01:27.22 | live | lsmod |
| 01:27.26 | ustunozgur | unstable is sid. |
| 01:27.30 | shogunx | acu http://www.us.mensa.org/ |
| 01:28.07 | live | georgy, I made a very stupid mistake |
| 01:28.18 | georgy_ | live : tell me |
| 01:28.25 | live | georgy, you are right |
| 01:28.31 | live | it works |
| 01:28.39 | georgy_ | live: tell nvz :) |
| 01:28.52 | georgy_ | live : have Fun, Know ! |
| 01:29.08 | live | georgy, it is because of a typo iwhen i edit modules in a hurry |
| 01:29.23 | live | thank you very much |
| 01:29.27 | georgy_ | live: I make this mistake every day ;) |
| 01:29.32 | ustunozgur | hehe congrats. |
| 01:29.42 | georgy_ | live : np, |
| 01:29.54 | live | :) |
| 01:30.43 | NefariousPrior | Can someone reccomend a program similar to irfanview ? |
| 01:30.52 | georgy_ | live : /etc/modules say what module to start, and it's very handy if you have a isa soundcard per example |
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| 01:31.09 | ustunozgur | NefariousPrior: irfanview under wine :p |
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| 01:31.26 | live | georgy,ok, i should remember this |
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| 01:32.00 | NefariousPrior | ustunozgur: that had crossed my mind, but yuck. I just want a decent, small, image viewer. Right now I'm using gimp for viewing, but that is nowhere near 'small'. |
| 01:32.04 | georgy_ | live : that's the way ndiswrapper works |
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| 01:32.20 | live | does that mean it works this way only for isa card? |
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| 01:32.34 | ustunozgur | NefariousPrior: gqview |
| 01:32.38 | bbelt16ag | hi |
| 01:32.58 | bbelt16ag | hey i want something 'linux' to play with tonight |
| 01:33.02 | bbelt16ag | what can i do ?? |
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| 01:33.14 | georgy_ | live : I never see a isa card working another way, but i'm not a super-geek too |
| 01:33.15 | bbelt16ag | something fun to do not compiling from source |
| 01:33.19 | NefariousPrior | ustunozgur: perfect, thanks |
| 01:33.41 | mmlj4 | bbelt16ag: apt-get install hello |
| 01:33.54 | bobloblian | bbelt16ag: beryl |
| 01:34.24 | live | georgy, last time when I install a usb wireless network card, it has the same problem. then someone told me to use depmod to make the modules loaded |
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| 01:35.07 | ustunozgur | NefariousPrior: np. Btw, you can find more by issuing " apt-cache search image |grep viewer" |
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| 01:35.21 | georgy_ | live : yes, that's right, |
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| 01:36.02 | NefariousPrior | ustunozgur: Oh, I know, but I was looking for a reccomendation. googling for screenshots of everythign that command would turn up would be painful. |
| 01:36.33 | live | georgy, i first thought this time depmod can do the work. now i know they are two different worlds |
| 01:36.43 | bbelt16ag | hello? |
| 01:36.46 | georgy_ | bye all, it's bed time 3.36am, it's late |
| 01:36.57 | live | good night |
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| 01:37.31 | linux2 | i have a cd with a data track and an audio track and i want to close the session. how can i do this? |
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| 01:38.59 | mmlj4 | linux2: you could start be telling us which application you're using |
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| 01:39.12 | linux2 | mmlj4: cdrdao |
| 01:39.18 | linux2 | well really cdrecord |
| 01:39.27 | linux2 | which is now wodim apparently |
| 01:39.53 | mmlj4 | maybe someone knows how... |
| 01:40.05 | bbelt16ag | hmmm ok something more entertaining then hello... ?? beryl is too annoying.. |
| 01:40.39 | linux2 | mmlj4: yeah i mean i would hop so, but of course im gonna have to spend a week figureing it out |
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| 01:41.11 | Azar | hello honorables |
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| 01:43.53 | kmyst | i have an install question on etch about partitioning...is it possible to manually partition (i have a partition to save) and still do the encrypted lvm? |
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| 01:46.16 | gulars__ | after I started using fglrx, all the fonts seem alot bigger than what they where with the opensource drivers. is this normal? I've looked into text size settings and they all still are at 8pt, but menus and stuff look alot bigger.. |
| 01:46.33 | cafuego | kmyst: probabluy |
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| 01:47.25 | kmyst | cafuego: couldn't see a way if i manually partitioned, it's an option if i want to blow the whole hdd away which i don't |
| 01:47.52 | kmyst | it would let me make encrypted partitions but not that way |
| 01:48.36 | Azar | are we getting Envy from Ubuntu? |
| 01:48.56 | stoned | we are? |
| 01:49.01 | stoned | Azar: yo |
| 01:49.07 | Azar | or is rather "available" from Ubuntu to be used in Etch by whomever wants it? |
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| 01:49.16 | Azar | stoned: :) |
| 01:49.32 | stoned | am I obligated to smile in return? |
| 01:50.33 | Azar | yes |
| 01:50.50 | Azar | april's fool with that application is not a Debian package |
| 01:51.00 | Azar | http://albertomilone.com/wordpress/?p=83 |
| 01:51.01 | stoned | Azar: dude are you on drugs? |
| 01:51.07 | stoned | you seem a bit weird |
| 01:51.11 | stoned | are you talking to me? |
| 01:51.13 | stoned | :) |
| 01:51.33 | Azar | well, I am on drugs, two type of antibiotics, vicodin, excedrin and cipro |
| 01:52.06 | stoned | vicodin |
| 01:52.07 | stoned | nice |
| 01:52.21 | Azar | Debian technical : Envy 0.9.3 STABLE adds the support for Etch and Ubuntu << pandora's box |
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| 01:52.57 | Azar | next we gonna read how much Ubuntu is helping Debian with tools and applications... |
| 01:53.09 | stoned | fsck ubuntu |
| 01:53.13 | stoned | debian ftw! |
| 01:53.17 | Azar | which is a lie.... but noobs gonna believe it |
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| 01:53.26 | stoned | its propaganda |
| 01:53.28 | Azar | how you doing, stoned ? |
| 01:53.42 | stoned | Azar: people on oftc #debian claim that I'm a troll |
| 01:53.47 | stoned | I'm doing quite well thank you |
| 01:53.58 | cgriffin | STONED!!! |
| 01:54.01 | Azar | stoned: if you look like one it does not mean you are |
| 01:54.06 | stoned | Azar: true |
| 01:54.14 | stoned | Azar: myspace.com/hborger |
| 01:54.18 | stoned | I think I hardly look like a troll |
| 01:54.26 | Azar | I do not go on oftc, reminds me of constipation |
| 01:54.31 | stoned | lol |
| 01:54.34 | cgriffin | stoned: where are you? |
| 01:54.39 | stoned | cgriffin: in my bed |
| 01:54.51 | cgriffin | stoned: texas? |
| 01:55.00 | stoned | no |
| 01:55.09 | stoned | apparantly you're not smart enough to do a /whois |
| 01:55.13 | cgriffin | stoned: I am mfrisch ;-) |
| 01:55.14 | stoned | so why should I tell you where I am |
| 01:55.16 | bbelt16ag | i got a quick question peeps about beryl if i follow this howto link will beryl just 'work' or am i gonna be left with a cli interface for the next day trying to fix it back the way it was... http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Debian |
| 01:55.16 | Azar | he is under a bridge on a small carboard house in ny |
| 01:55.24 | stoned | cgriffin: I don't care |
| 01:55.39 | stoned | cgriffin: hello |
| 01:55.50 | stoned | yeh |
| 01:55.51 | cgriffin | stoned: aah. hello. |
| 01:55.57 | stoned | we get out computers setup under the bridge |
| 01:55.59 | bbelt16ag | i got the nvidia drivers installed.. so |
| 01:56.01 | stoned | and we get internet too |
| 01:56.03 | Azar | stoned: you owe me a smiley |
| 01:56.05 | stoned | my bed is under a bridge too |
| 01:56.08 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:56.11 | stoned | Azar: no i don't. scroll up |
| 01:56.19 | stoned | bbelt16ag: congrats |
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| 01:56.25 | cgriffin | stoned: I have been homeless for almost a month ;-) |
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| 01:57.05 | stoned | cgriffin: why? |
| 01:57.12 | bbelt16ag | no no stoned i have not restarted i am just saying atm that open gl works.. |
| 01:57.19 | bbelt16ag | i compiled my nvidia drivers |
| 01:57.25 | cgriffin | stoned: my apartment is toxic...I think co |
| 01:57.27 | stoned | bbelt16ag: I'm just congradulating you |
| 01:57.32 | bbelt16ag | anyways, i am fiixing to restart, |
| 01:57.33 | stoned | cgriffin: toxic? |
| 01:57.37 | bbelt16ag | wish me luck |
| 01:57.38 | stoned | bbelt16ag: why restart? |
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| 01:57.54 | cgriffin | stoned: well when it makes you high going in yeah toxic |
| 01:58.10 | stoned | cgriffin: no why the fuck is your apt toxic? |
| 01:58.34 | stoned | brb |
| 01:59.02 | cgriffin | stoned: well I think because someone hooked up a dryer and is pumping exhaust into my apartment |
| 01:59.24 | stoned | that sucks |
| 01:59.37 | stoned | your apt administration didn't do anything? |
| 01:59.37 | cgriffin | stoned: and hard to prove ;-( |
| 01:59.48 | stoned | so why homeless |
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| 02:00.10 | hatter | which file tells a program like vmware the kernel headers that match the running kernel ? |
| 02:00.13 | cgriffin | stoned: ignorant bliss is ok for the admin I have been on a futon at a friends |
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| 02:00.24 | stoned | cgriffin: cool |
| 02:00.58 | cgriffin | stoned: you have been in NYC for a while huh? Did you go to the Debian party? |
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| 02:01.26 | Azar | hey guys did you see Progeny is no more? |
| 02:01.30 | stoned | cgriffin: yes I did |
| 02:01.45 | stoned | cgriffin: I met rahul and stew and kevix and few others |
| 02:01.57 | linux2 | does anyone know how i can burn a multisession CD? |
| 02:01.57 | stoned | it was fun, though I was only there for 1 hour |
| 02:01.59 | stoned | I had to leave |
| 02:02.00 | cgriffin | stoned: cool! I wanted to go |
| 02:02.37 | linux2 | i want to create a cd with a data and audio track, however my data track happens to be from an iso and normally i would just use k3b but k3b doesn't support adding audio files to a cd i burned as an image, only data tracks |
| 02:02.39 | linux2 | anyone? |
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| 02:04.27 | stoned | no idea |
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| 02:05.01 | aidan | Is there a package to extract a dmg file? |
| 02:05.14 | stoned | osx package? |
| 02:05.18 | stoned | im not sure |
| 02:05.21 | stoned | !alien |
| 02:05.21 | dpkg | i guess alien is a program which allows one to convert from one package format to another: slackware to redhat, redhat to debian, debian to slackware, redhat to slackware, etc... it can handle stampede .slp packages as well, or some slimy, green, bug-like, creepy creature from outerspace that came to Earth to have sex with agent Scully, or at http://kitenet.net/programs/alien/ |
| 02:05.30 | stoned | hmm. nm |
| 02:05.44 | stoned | what is the format of a dmg file? |
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| 02:05.47 | stoned | how is it compressed? |
| 02:05.56 | aidan | no idea, I can't find much on google either |
| 02:06.11 | Azar | man I love this wallpaper: Debian Moment: http://www.debianart.org/cchost/?ccm=/media/files/nostromo2k3/79 |
| 02:06.17 | nvz | wtf is a dmg file? |
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| 02:06.30 | cafuego | compressed hfs(plus) image? |
| 02:06.42 | nvz | ew |
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| 02:06.49 | stoned | ok |
| 02:06.56 | stoned | you can simply mount it using mount -t hfs |
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| 02:07.03 | stoned | use the loop option |
| 02:07.04 | aidan | ah |
| 02:07.21 | stoned | like mount -t hfs -o loop blah.dmg /blah/blah |
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| 02:08.05 | nvz | yeah I was going to suggest looking it up on wikipedia instead of google.. figure out what the file structure was like |
| 02:08.12 | aidan | ah cool |
| 02:08.28 | nvz | like a deb package is basically just a gzip |
| 02:08.33 | nvz | f |
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| 02:08.35 | stoned | nvz: you're a gzip |
| 02:09.06 | nvz | in the future you should use "file" and not call things buy the last three letters of their filenames like you work for microsoft |
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| 02:09.26 | aidan | [ 8261.968000] hfs: can't find a HFS filesystem on dev loop0. |
| 02:09.50 | cgriffin | stoned: so they still have the sex shops in NYC or did they close them all ;-( |
| 02:09.59 | stoned | dude? what? |
| 02:09.59 | gordboy | dmg is VAX COFF executable |
| 02:10.02 | stoned | how the fuck would I know |
| 02:10.22 | cgriffin | stoned: I thought that was common knowledge ;-) |
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| 02:10.44 | aidan | wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0 |
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| 02:10.49 | stoned | cgriffin: I've been to one strip club EVER. 21st bday, friends took me and didn't tell me where we were going |
| 02:10.54 | stoned | I hate places like that |
| 02:11.01 | Xenguy | cgriffin: ever since the twin towers, there's no sex allowed in NYC =) |
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| 02:11.30 | cgriffin | cgriffin: aah. well I was eighteen the last time I was in NYC and we went to I think 57th or something |
| 02:11.45 | stoned | cgriffin: how old are you now? |
| 02:12.04 | cgriffin | stoned: 31? yeah 31 scary |
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| 02:16.57 | aidan | stoned: any ideas? |
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| 02:16.59 | DawnLight | good mornin' folks |
| 02:17.20 | bobesponja | http://digg.com/linux_unix/Free_drivers_for_new_Intel_965GM_chipset |
| 02:17.27 | bobesponja | oops, wrong channel again sorry |
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| 02:18.27 | cgriffin | If I do not auth to a email server would it give me a no route error?? |
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| 02:19.42 | cgriffin | none, delay=3.1, delays=0.05/0/3/0, dsn=4.4.1, status=deferred (connect to 72.49.32.1[72.49.32.1]: No route to host) |
| 02:20.07 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:20.07 | bbelt16ag | (10:15:25 PM) bbelt16ag: when i type beryl in the console it say cant open display/. now this is while i have this session of X open here |
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| 02:20.22 | cafuego | cgriffin: No, that's a routing problem, not an auth problem. |
| 02:20.24 | bbelt16ag | do i need to edit kdm? |
| 02:20.42 | Daejeo1 | how to install debian on remote machine? anyone can lead me? |
| 02:20.44 | cgriffin | bbelt16ag: who what? |
| 02:21.12 | bbelt16ag | who what? |
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| 02:21.32 | cgriffin | Daejeo1: uhm you can start sshd and connect but it is pecking at the right places (no screen to connect to the console where the install is) |
| 02:21.42 | bbelt16ag | i installed beryl bsically and edit my xorg.conf now i get from the console that it cant open a display.. |
| 02:22.19 | cgriffin | bbelt16ag: edited it wrong? You need to add one stanza. |
| 02:22.35 | OscarM | hello |
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| 02:23.05 | OscarM | somebody help me about of Debian´s repository |
| 02:23.22 | twisted | Is Beryl supposted in debian? |
| 02:23.28 | bbelt16ag | eh? |
| 02:23.31 | stoned | !beryl |
| 02:23.31 | dpkg | i guess beryl is probably a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager), How-to and links to package repositories are here: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Debian |
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| 02:23.36 | twisted | Errrr.. supported* |
| 02:23.37 | cgriffin | bbelt16ag: Section "Extensions" |
| 02:23.37 | cgriffin | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:23.37 | cgriffin | Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" |
| 02:23.37 | cgriffin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:23.38 | OscarM | i have installed Debian 4.0 in text mode , i want to install KDE |
| 02:23.39 | avtobiff | STOP MIRKING STONEDN! |
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| 02:23.47 | avtobiff | OscarM, DO IT! IT IS SO GREAT! |
| 02:23.54 | stoned | what? |
| 02:24.07 | bbelt16ag | right i did that cgriffin |
| 02:24.14 | stoned | !install kde |
| 02:24.14 | dpkg | hmm... install kde is In sarge/etch/lenny, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 02:24.16 | OscarM | whats`up avtobiff |
| 02:24.22 | avtobiff | SUP! |
| 02:24.27 | avtobiff | stoned, HAY! |
| 02:24.42 | stoned | avtobiff: who the fuck are you and what the fuck do you want from me? |
| 02:24.46 | stoned | avtobiff: hi |
| 02:25.02 | avtobiff | stoned, naaaaathing man. |
| 02:25.09 | avtobiff | stoned, or woman... |
| 02:25.17 | stoned | im both |
| 02:25.21 | OscarM | but when i put on line apt-get install x-windows-system kde-base to exit in commanda line warning: in line 2 |
| 02:25.29 | bobloblian | bbelt16ag/cgriffin: I had to put Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "true" in Section "Device" for my setup |
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| 02:25.38 | Daejeo1 | how to install Debian on a remote machine? |
| 02:25.39 | stoned | !install x |
| 02:25.39 | dpkg | [install xf4] apt-get install read-edid mdetect discover; apt-get install x-window-system-core (plus whatever window manager you like, etc.), or ask me about <set up x> or <drxx> or <xorg> |
| 02:25.41 | OscarM | maybe i have to line bad?? |
| 02:25.54 | bbelt16ag | yes we know and the link fro dpkg is the same one i linked where i got my info from.. |
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| 02:26.10 | stoned | bobloblian: #beryl / |
| 02:26.18 | bbelt16ag | i guess i should go play with it and see if it works atleast this is working now w/o beryl |
| 02:26.21 | aidan | stoned: ah |
| 02:26.22 | aidan | $ file foo.dmg |
| 02:26.23 | aidan | foo.dmg: VAX COFF executable - version 376 |
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| 02:27.13 | cgriffin | bbelt16ag: I pasted the lines you need for beryl |
| 02:27.15 | aidan | a .dmg need not contain a "Macintosh HFS data" ... it can be many things it seems |
| 02:27.38 | Azar | hahahahahahaa!! http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/200701/pup2/pastedGraphic.png |
| 02:27.41 | OscarM | i want to know , how have to be file /sources.lst |
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| 02:28.17 | Azar | OscarM: not understood the "how have" |
| 02:28.20 | cgriffin | Azar: damn that is support ;-) |
| 02:28.53 | Azar | hehe yes, darn funny |
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| 02:29.18 | cgriffin | Azar: like a school kids definition of something |
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| 02:29.40 | Azar | OscarM: the file sources.list is in /etc/apt |
| 02:29.58 | Daejeo1 | how to install Debian on a remote machine? |
| 02:30.13 | aidan | <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> |
| 02:30.14 | aidan | strings foo.dmg gives: <!DOCTYPE plist PUBLIC "-//Apple Computer//DTD PLIST 1.0//EN" "http://www.apple.com/DTDs/PropertyList-1.0.dtd" |
| 02:30.22 | aidan | how odd. |
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| 02:32.03 | OscarM | I have installed debian in way text, I want to install kde as it must be apt to be able to install it |
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| 02:32.28 | OscarM | i know |
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| 02:33.04 | avtobiff | OscarM, translate.com plx? |
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| 02:33.09 | avtobiff | kde? |
| 02:33.14 | OscarM | i know as it must go the sources |
| 02:33.16 | avtobiff | !install kde |
| 02:33.16 | dpkg | hmm... install kde is In sarge/etch/lenny, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 02:33.20 | Azar | cgriffin: another fun one: http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/200701/pup/Guernsey_wind.png |
| 02:34.03 | Azar | OscarM: which Debian you installed, which version? |
| 02:34.50 | OscarM | 4.0 |
| 02:35.17 | OscarM | then?? |
| 02:35.59 | Azar | OscarM: can you copy and paste in a paster the content of the /etc/apt/sources.list ? for me to see it if is correct? |
| 02:35.59 | Azar | !paster |
| 02:35.59 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
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| 02:35.59 | OscarM | ok |
| 02:35.59 | OscarM | wait please? |
| 02:35.59 | Azar | OscarM: ok |
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| 02:36.58 | Azar | man my medications make me do tours to restroom.. |
| 02:37.09 | sid | What is good blogging software to host via apache? I'm running etch |
| 02:37.16 | OscarM | deb http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.4.0/ ./ |
| 02:37.16 | OscarM | deb http://www.debian-desktop.org/pub/linux/debian/kde-3.4.0/ |
| 02:37.16 | OscarM | deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r0 _Etch_ - Official i386 CD Binary-1 20070407-11:55]/ etch contrib main |
| 02:37.45 | Azar | OscarM: bleh |
| 02:38.09 | Azar | ok I will show you mine and copy it in your sources.list ok? #comment all other you got |
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| 02:40.33 | hatter | i have just recompiled a kernel, now vmware thinks the kernel headers do not match, but they do, is there a file or somehwere it looks that i can change ? |
| 02:40.33 | avtobiff | OscarM, how did your sources.list get so shitty? |
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| 02:40.47 | en1gma | when i had debian-live i would give the cheatcode "live aixgl" and start beryl when i got to deskop and it would work great....how do i do that with just debian (not live) |
| 02:40.54 | Azar | OscarM: http://paste.debian.net/27859 << copy those instead |
| 02:40.56 | muhoo | i'm trying to ./configure a program, which fails, telling me "udev version 057 or later is required" |
| 02:41.11 | Azar | OscarM: mark your existent sources with a #in the front of them |
| 02:41.14 | muhoo | however! dpkg tells me i have udev version 0.103-1 |
| 02:41.16 | EdLin | en1gma: write a script. |
| 02:41.28 | en1gma | come on man |
| 02:41.28 | muhoo | how the fuck is 103 < 057? |
| 02:41.36 | thingfish | en1gma: do you use gnome? |
| 02:41.54 | live | hi, all, I am playing a XVID file, but the images are doubled, i have installed vlc, mplayer , libxvidcore4 , libavcodec and w32codec |
| 02:42.09 | OscarM | ok |
| 02:42.18 | live | how can I solve this double image? |
| 02:42.46 | EdLin | en1gma: if you don't have a problem with running it full-time, go ahead and enable AIGLX and other parameters in /etc/X11/xorg.conf for composite window manager operation. |
| 02:42.49 | en1gma | kde |
| 02:42.59 | en1gma | thingfish i used the cd1 with kde on it |
| 02:43.13 | Azar | OscarM: when you done copy all and paste in http://paste.debian.net/paste and click Send, then copy the link address and paste it here |
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| 02:43.51 | muhoo | how do i find out what version udev is??! |
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| 02:44.07 | EdLin | en1gma: once you have composite support and associated parameters enabled in xorg.conf, you should have no problem activating and deactivating beryl or compiz via their respective applets. |
| 02:44.16 | muhoo | dpkg says it is 0.103. some configure/autotools magick says it is < 057 which is it |
| 02:44.16 | dpkg | muhoo: I think you lost me on that one |
| 02:44.29 | OscarM | no more |
| 02:44.36 | muhoo | dpkg: dpkg -l udev |
| 02:44.37 | en1gma | is there a script to do this |
| 02:44.37 | EdLin | dpkg: welcome back |
| 02:44.38 | dpkg | it's good to be home :) |
| 02:44.38 | Azar | OscarM: what no more? |
| 02:44.45 | en1gma | the debian-live just did it automatically |
| 02:44.51 | en1gma | with the live aixgl chear |
| 02:44.53 | en1gma | cheat |
| 02:45.04 | EdLin | en1gma: well, obviously you'll have to do it differently now... |
| 02:45.23 | en1gma | will that script do it for me if i can get it from them |
| 02:45.26 | live | hi, all, I am playing a XVID file, but the images are doubled, i have installed vlc, mplayer , libxvidcore4 , libavcodec and w32codec |
| 02:45.45 | EdLin | en1gma: it's not a script, it's a kernel parameter. There's probably more than a script needed. |
| 02:45.52 | Azar | live: on what on your jukebox? |
| 02:46.01 | thingfish | en1gma: why don't you look in kde's control center and see if there's anything in there that allows you to specify programs you want to run when the desktop loads. |
| 02:46.15 | EdLin | !thingfish++ |
| 02:46.28 | OscarM | now I can install kde |
| 02:46.40 | Azar | OscarM: type command: aptitude install kde |
| 02:47.18 | Azar | OscarM: assuming you have installed the xserver, and the video driver... |
| 02:47.19 | OscarM | ok akar , thanks for help me, |
| 02:47.45 | Azar | ok |
| 02:47.48 | Azar | !moo |
| 02:47.48 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 02:47.58 | live | Azar, i am using vlc and mplayer to play the XVID file |
| 02:48.06 | muhoo | udev freaks me out |
| 02:48.21 | OscarM | if not , i can to type aptitude install x-windows-system kde |
| 02:48.22 | Azar | live: I was joking, good for you I never used video player on my PC |
| 02:48.33 | EdLin | muhoo: whoever invented udev will be up against the wall when the revolution comes. |
| 02:48.42 | thingfish | hehe |
| 02:48.42 | live | Azar, ok |
| 02:48.47 | Azar | OscarM: what is your video card? nvidia? ati? |
| 02:48.49 | muhoo | EdLin: thank you. |
| 02:49.00 | OscarM | yes |
| 02:49.04 | muhoo | EdLin: then again, i remember using, um, edlin, back in the day. |
| 02:49.08 | OscarM | nvidia |
| 02:49.16 | Azar | OscarM: look: |
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| 02:49.18 | muhoo | edlin wasn't a text editor. edlin was a file mangler. |
| 02:49.21 | Azar | !nvidia one-liner |
| 02:49.21 | dpkg | i guess nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
| 02:49.32 | EdLin | muhoo: it's an interesting way to implement a patch system, as a Pro-YAM script did. Hence the nick. |
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| 02:50.36 | OscarM | ok |
| 02:50.56 | Azar | OscarM: is one command: aptitude install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-, ,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 02:52.16 | en1gma | where would i look for video card settings in kde |
| 02:52.25 | en1gma | its an intel chipset |
| 02:52.37 | hatter | how do i configure kernel headers to match the running kernel ? (i.e if the kernel name has changed) |
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| 02:54.13 | OscarM | that I must do it before installing kde later or |
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| 02:54.53 | EdLin | OscarM: you can install your desktop environment or window manager before it. |
| 02:55.31 | OscarM | ok |
| 02:55.35 | OscarM | edlin |
| 02:55.39 | OscarM | thanks . |
| 02:55.50 | EdLin | !tell OscarM about enter |
| 02:55.59 | EdLin | np anyway though. :) |
| 02:56.16 | OscarM | if something bad happens we return to speak |
| 02:56.40 | EdLin | okidoki |
| 02:56.53 | live | hi, all, I am playing a XVID file, but the images are doubled, i have installed vlc, mplayer , libxvidcore4 , libavcodec and w32codec |
| 02:57.22 | EdLin | live: could be a problem with Xv. What video card do you have? |
| 02:57.44 | live | i have s3virge/gx2 |
| 02:57.57 | en1gma | is there a command to manually add a repository in debian |
| 02:58.03 | EdLin | live: hmmm, I don't know too much about that chipset. |
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| 02:58.10 | en1gma | im following a guide in opensuse and it shows their command |
| 02:58.14 | en1gma | but im in deiban |
| 02:58.31 | live | it's old,but it can do the job in windows |
| 02:58.43 | EdLin | en1gma: either do it in synaptic, or edit /etc/apt/sources.list - incidentally, SuSE is very different than Debian |
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| 02:59.50 | EdLin | live: I've never seen that problem before, have you tried restarting X? |
| 02:59.50 | twisted | Question guys.. for a duel-core processor what build of debian should I use? |
| 02:59.57 | twisted | i386? |
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| 03:00.23 | en1gma | what about the other commands for zypper and rug that are not opensuse |
| 03:00.23 | en1gma | 2. Add the additional Beryl repository, from the openSUSE build service. |
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| 03:00.23 | en1gma | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:00.25 | live | edlin, i'll try restart |
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| 03:01.05 | EdLin | twisted: depends on the dual core processor and your needs. If it's a 64 bit processor, you have the option of AMD64, but due to codec and closed-source plugin incompatibilities you may choose i386. |
| 03:01.30 | EdLin | (not to be confused with ia64) |
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| 03:01.49 | twisted | It's a 32 bit processor I think |
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| 03:02.00 | EdLin | en1gma: those are opensuse too. |
| 03:02.06 | EdLin | twisted: i386 |
| 03:02.07 | twisted | Penium D 3.0 gighertz |
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| 03:02.18 | twisted | kk ty :D |
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| 03:02.47 | en1gma | well what do i do to add it from the cli |
| 03:02.49 | EdLin | twisted: it should pick i686 kernels and glibc, which is enough optimization for most needs. |
| 03:02.50 | nn-lapyop | hi |
| 03:03.00 | EdLin | en1gma: I told you - edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:03.02 | twisted | Thanks bud :D |
| 03:03.05 | GhostlyDeath | Why doesn't scroll lock work as expected in GNOME? |
| 03:03.21 | en1gma | it dont look like i have any repositories in there anymore |
| 03:03.23 | en1gma | hmmm |
| 03:03.31 | EdLin | en1gma: very strange |
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| 03:03.52 | en1gma | man i ran some damn script and it over wrote it |
| 03:03.52 | Azar | is not Sunday yet |
| 03:03.55 | en1gma | how do i fix it |
| 03:04.07 | en1gma | all it shows in there is beryl |
| 03:04.07 | en1gma | lol |
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| 03:05.43 | EdLin | en1gma: deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free |
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| 03:06.29 | nn-lapyop | tired |
| 03:06.31 | en1gma | whats the ones for etch |
| 03:06.35 | en1gma | i installed 4.0 |
| 03:06.41 | EdLin | en1gma: stable = etch at this time. |
| 03:06.51 | en1gma | ohhh ok. cool thanks man |
| 03:07.02 | EdLin | np |
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| 03:07.19 | en1gma | well i had like 6 repositories |
| 03:24.53 | en1gma | 2 for cdrom, 2 for main and 2 for security |
| 03:24.53 | EdLin | en1gma: it's a good idea to stick to official ones. |
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| 03:29.46 | en1gma | and maybe 2 more |
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| 03:31.02 | EdLin | en1gma: yep, you need the security one too. |
| 03:31.02 | en1gma | well i cant remmember what they said in the kpackage repositores areas |
| 03:31.02 | en1gma | brb phone |
| 03:31.03 | EdLin | en1gma: deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free |
| 03:31.03 | live | edlin, i restart X and restarted PC, both have no effect |
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| 03:31.04 | EdLin | live: bummer. It's really puzzlng me. |
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| 03:31.04 | EdLin | live: have you done anything unusual in your X configuration? |
| 03:31.04 | muhoo | ah, upgrading from udev 103 to udev 105 fixed that problem |
| 03:31.04 | muhoo | !curse udev |
| 03:31.04 | dpkg | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, udev! |
| 03:31.04 | live | edlin, i just installed this system, haven't had chance to do |
| 03:31.04 | EdLin | live: with mplayer, try doing this: -vox11 |
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| 03:31.04 | bbelt16a2 | hello can somebody help me with beryl. i know i am missing something important i know there is aline i need to put into kdm but i cant seem to find the line or the place to put it.. |
| 03:31.05 | EdLin | live: er, -vo x11 |
| 03:31.05 | live | yes |
| 03:31.05 | live | thank you,edlin |
| 03:31.05 | bbelt16a2 | when i try beryl in the console to test it it says it cant open display |
| 03:31.05 | EdLin | live: np. |
| 03:31.05 | bbelt16a2 | i evern tries using --display :0.0 no workie with and without X running on another console.. |
| 03:31.05 | bbelt16a2 | i think i need a line that starts both at the same time but i cant find it on the wiki |
| 03:31.05 | live | why i can not use the gui of mplayer and gui of vlc to play it? |
| 03:31.05 | EdLin | live: maybe you can activate mplayer's gui on the command line, or make a configuration file change to make x11 video output the default. |
| 03:31.05 | n3kl | is xfs good? |
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| 03:31.06 | live | edlin,ok,i may try later |
| 03:31.06 | EdLin | n3kl: the filesystem is good only if you need it and have a UPS. The font driver is OK I suppose, but depreciated. |
| 03:31.06 | n3kl | hehe, stupid question. What are its strong points? Why use it over ext3? |
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| 03:31.06 | sid | Where is the planet.debian.org policy for what you're allowed to post? |
| 03:31.07 | EdLin | n3kl: xfs has agressive write cacheing, and is only safe, IMHO, if you have an uninterrputible power supply. |
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| 03:31.07 | n3kl | EdLin: ah |
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| 03:52.17 | EdLin | wb splitters |
| 03:52.17 | Rusty1 | bbelt16a2: there is a #beryl channel, maybe help there? |
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| 03:52.18 | en1gma | thanks |
| 03:52.18 | en1gma | just go back |
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| 03:52.19 | twisted | Okay.. so like a moron I just tried to install debian on a machine using the netinstall w/ no LAN connection... it uses a Atheros Wireless card... umm.. should I download a full install or is there a better way to go about it? |
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| 03:52.20 | live | edlin, i found with -vo x11, I can not strech the image to fullscreen |
| 03:52.20 | sid | twisted: You need build-essential subversion and linux-headers |
| 03:52.20 | sid | twisted: Than you need to svn co the madwifi trunk |
| 03:52.20 | twisted | ...? |
| 03:52.20 | EdLin | live: can you put it in some sort of full-screen mode? |
| 03:52.21 | twisted | I really dont know what that means... cant I just use the full CD to install? |
| 03:52.21 | EdLin | twisted: you can, but you may need additional kernel patches for wireless access - like sid said. |
| 03:52.22 | live | without -vo x11 , and with -fs , it can be toggled between fullscreen and window show by F key |
| 03:52.22 | EdLin | twisted: you probably want the full CD. You won't need all of them, the CDs are arranged according to popularity of package. Most people need two or three at most. |
| 03:52.22 | EdLin | live: and no double-images? |
| 03:52.22 | twisted | Cool.. thanks EdLin |
| 03:52.22 | twisted | Thank you sir :D |
| 03:52.22 | EdLin | np |
| 03:52.22 | twisted | *thank you sid |
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| 03:52.23 | live | Edlin,fullscreen no double image, but window show has double images |
| 03:52.23 | EdLin | live: odd.... |
| 03:52.23 | live | yes,odd |
| 03:52.23 | EdLin | live: try using X's vesa driver instead of your card's driver. |
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| 03:52.24 | live | Edlin, by -vo vesa? |
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| 03:52.24 | endra | hey guys |
| 03:52.25 | EdLin | live: I was thinking of X. I don't think -vo vesa does what that is. |
| 03:52.27 | endra | I'm 100% positive that dhclient does NOT work on this machine for some reason, I can't explain why.. its a wireless rt2500 card, drivers installed, it can scan and all, but when I tell it to connect, dhclient never gets an ip |
| 03:52.27 | endra | I tried doing it manually as well and no go |
| 03:52.27 | endra | Can someone help me troubleshoot? I have tried it with another computer and it works just fine |
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| 03:52.27 | EdLin | endra: were you using the same distro on the other computer? |
| 03:52.27 | endra | EdLin: no, I was using Gentoo |
| 03:52.27 | endra | And I was using dhcpcd, not dhclient |
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| 03:52.28 | endra | But now that its gone wireless, I can't get dhcpcd :( |
| 03:52.28 | EdLin | endra: it could be using a closed-source driver that's not included in Debian's kernel by default. |
| 03:52.28 | endra | Although, I doubt it would fix it because manual way isn't working either |
| 03:52.28 | endra | rt2500 is open source (called rt2500-source), it works in gentoo (same card) |
| 03:52.29 | EdLin | endra: hmm, OK. |
| 03:52.29 | endra | Any other possibilities? |
| 03:52.29 | endra | Maybe because I'm canadian? |
| 03:52.29 | endra | Do you guys have something against canadians? DO YOU!? |
| 03:52.29 | EdLin | endra: Debian doesn't work well in igloos powered by dog-sled. |
| 03:52.29 | enderxim | i am an ubuntu user, trying to switch to debian. i feel like and idiot, but i have a silly question. i use screen for the most part, and ratpoison when i need to game or whatever. whenever i boot to debian, it gives me that acpi message "unable to turn device [whatever] on". how do i disable this? |
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| 03:52.30 | EdLin | enderxim: Debian's boot process is ugly looking. Get used to it or make your own bootsplash. |
| 03:52.30 | Usuario9957 | staminus107:/# mysql |
| 03:52.30 | Usuario9957 | ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/tmp/mysql.sock' (2) |
| 03:52.30 | Usuario9957 | staminus107:/# |
| 03:52.30 | endra | everything about debian is ugly looking |
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| 03:52.31 | enderxim | no no, that's not the issue. it's that it send that message to my screen, after boot, every 6 seconds or so. |
| 03:52.31 | endra | what I liked most about gentoo is all the colors |
| 03:52.31 | gordboy | enderxim: you could try acpi=off as a boot parameter to the kernel |
| 03:52.31 | EdLin | endra: sorry you don't like it. |
| 03:52.31 | enderxim | after i've logged in. |
| 03:52.31 | Rusty1 | endra: got pump (a long shot) |
| 03:52.31 | endra | I love debian, I mean't all text :P |
| 03:52.31 | enderxim | gordboy: i've tried that, it doesn't seem to change it. |
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| 03:52.31 | EdLin | enderxim: odd. |
| 03:52.31 | endra | Rusty1: hmm? |
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| 03:52.32 | EdLin | endra: you can make the text better by telling it to use a different font and video mode. |
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| 03:52.32 | live | edlin, I tried many -vo option, all no use |
| 03:52.32 | Rusty1 | endra: pump -i ethx |
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| 03:52.33 | endra | Rusty1: what would that do? (running it now) |
| 03:52.33 | endra | (give me a minute, gotta run upstairs :-/) |
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| 03:52.33 | EdLin | live: have you tried what I mentioned, running X in vesa mode? I suspect you have a buggy driver/card. |
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| 03:52.34 | endra | Pump is a nogo :( |
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| 03:52.34 | EdLin | endra: I assume where he said ethx, you made "x" the number for your card's interface. |
| 03:52.34 | endra | EdLin: pump is not installed :P |
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| 03:52.35 | EdLin | endra: try using ifup, it should call that. |
| 03:52.35 | endra | EdLin: I do that. It is how I know that dhclient is what is failing |
| 03:52.35 | endra | ifdown eth1, ifup eth1 -> dhclient never gets ip |
| 03:52.35 | live | Edlin, I run mplayer in a tty, it generates a loop which can not be killed |
| 03:52.35 | EdLin | live: I never recommended that, so don't blame me... :-) Sorry though. |
| 03:52.35 | endra | It keeps saying: DHCPDISCOVER on eth1 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval <-- where is some number between 4 and 16 |
| 03:52.36 | live | i know |
| 03:52.36 | EdLin | live: if you're trying svga mode, you'll need to run it as root in a tty. |
| 03:52.36 | live | edlin, how to run X in vesa? |
| 03:52.36 | EdLin | !drxx live |
| 03:52.36 | dpkg | live: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 03:52.37 | EdLin | live: and change whatever driver you're using to vesa. |
| 03:52.37 | live | ok |
| 03:52.38 | EdLin | endra: are you positive that the driver for your wireless card is in the vanilla kernel? |
| 03:52.38 | EdLin | endra: try lsmod to find out. |
| 03:52.38 | endra | Well, rt2500 has to be working, I can scan with it (iwlist scan) |
| 03:52.38 | endra | It returns my access points, as well as a few others |
| 03:52.38 | EdLin | hmmm.... |
| 03:52.39 | endra | okay, I'll boot up into windows to find out if windows driver works correctly too, just to rule out the router being a problem |
| 03:52.39 | endra | be right back in a few minutes |
| 03:52.39 | EdLin | endra: nooo don't do that! Windows is evillll! (Just joking.) |
| 03:52.40 | hatter | !monkeys |
| 03:52.40 | dpkg | [monkeys] the most evil creatures in the world....damn bill gates and his monkeys DO NOT FEED THEM ! |
| 03:52.40 | EdLin | hatter: heh |
| 03:52.40 | hatter | how do i tell the system which kernel headers belong to the current kernel ? |
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| 03:52.42 | live | edlin, i changed the driver to vesa in xorg.conf, and played it in X with -fs, but it does not strech to full |
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| 03:52.42 | Wyzard | hatter: By convention, /lib/modules/<version>/build is a symlink to the headers for that kernel |
| 03:52.43 | Wyzard | hatter: Debian's linux-headers packages follow that convention |
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| 03:52.43 | EdLin | live: hmm, probably it needs video card support for it, and then there's your problem again. |
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| 03:52.44 | live | edlin, ok, anyway, it barely can work |
| 03:52.44 | EdLin | live: you might want to look into a video card upgrade. I did one for $30 with a card from NewEgg and it gave my computer a new lease on life. |
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| 03:52.44 | seshomaru123 | hi - i would like to convert a dapper to etch. my question is - if i keep my home partition will it be compatible with wtch? also ,will etch still create a home folder ? |
| 03:52.44 | endra | back! It works great on windows, still nothing on debian though |
| 03:52.44 | live | do you know why the system does not automount CD, when I insert one into the cd drive, the system has udevd running |
| 03:52.45 | azeem | seshomaru123: what do you mean with home folder? |
| 03:52.45 | EdLin | live: Debian by default doesn't automount. |
| 03:52.45 | azeem | seshomaru123: which desktop environment do you use? |
| 03:52.45 | live | o i c |
| 03:52.46 | endra | It just keeps repeating DHCPDISCOVER for eth1 on 255.255.255.255 over and over until 10 times or so, then it gives up and says cannot grab IP |
| 03:52.46 | seshomaru123 | azeem - gnome |
| 03:52.46 | EdLin | live: you might be able to apt-get something to have it. |
| 03:52.46 | azeem | seshomaru123: should be reasonably possible I guess, as long as you don't jump between the two all the time |
| 03:52.47 | EdLin | live: apt-cache search automount gives some promising candidates. |
| 03:52.47 | live | thank you |
| 03:52.47 | seshomaru123 | azeem - what i mean is get rid of dapper |
| 03:52.47 | azeem | seshomaru123: there might be some issues with some applet not existing (yet or anymore), but nothing critical I'd say |
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| 03:52.47 | azeem | seshomaru123: I assume you'll reinstall your root partition and only keep /home? |
| 03:52.48 | seshomaru123 | azeem yes |
| 03:52.48 | azeem | that's fine then |
| 03:52.48 | azeem | is /home on a different partition? |
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| 03:52.48 | seshomaru123 | yes |
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| 03:52.50 | azeem | then just tell the etch partitioner to use that partition as /home after selecting manual mode |
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| 03:52.51 | seshomaru123 | azeem so if i name my user the same as the dapper user ,etch will instantly recognise /home ? |
| 03:52.52 | azeem | hopefully, the numerical id matters, though |
| 03:52.52 | hatter | wizard: /lib/modules/2.6.18/build is pointing to /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.18 which doesnt exist, the source is not the headers is it ? |
| 03:52.52 | azeem | it should be 1000 for both if this is a single-user system |
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| 03:52.53 | azeem | hatter: if you build your own kernel, you will have to maintain your headers yourself |
| 03:52.53 | hatter | azeem: what does that mean ? |
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| 03:52.53 | azeem | hatter: what does what mean? |
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| 03:53.08 | hatter | i rebuilt a kernel the debian way to add a driver, now vmware is saying the headers dont match the runnign kernel, i imagine it is reading a file |
| 03:53.22 | seshomaru123 | azeem ,the user in question is 1000, so it should be ok, right? |
| 03:53.24 | EdLin | !vmware |
| 03:53.24 | dpkg | somebody said vmware was Not Our Problem. If it was in debian, it would be, but since it ain't, it ain't. Ask the vendor for support. |
| 03:53.28 | azeem | seshomaru123: yeah |
| 03:53.35 | azeem | hatter: ask vmware then |
| 03:53.58 | azeem | hatter: or try to trace the bash/perl script, if it is indeed a script |
| 03:54.13 | Rusty1 | endra: iwconfig , by itself, shows the router? |
| 03:54.22 | biglaughing | hatter:I am using debian under vmware.I haven't encoutnered your problem. |
| 03:54.31 | Wyzard | hatter: A configured source tree provides headers |
| 03:54.39 | endra | iwconfig: in essid, yes |
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| 03:54.48 | seshomaru123 | one more question , when i reinstall , i would like to keep my apache dir in tact , i plan to save var/www and then just copy it back after reinstalling pache , will that work? |
| 03:54.48 | hatter | edlin, azeem, yes, but the /lib/modules/2.6.18/build is pointing to /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.18 which is not there |
| 03:54.59 | EdLin | hatter: so it needs changing. |
| 03:55.02 | endra | no ip set whatoever, I just hooked it up straight to the router, im going to substitute dhclient by dhcpcd |
| 03:55.13 | Wyzard | hatter: /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.18 is where you compiled your kernel, right? |
| 03:55.15 | endra | perhaps dhclient itself is the problem (although dhclient does fine when connected wired) |
| 03:55.47 | hatter | wyzard, no, usr/src/linux-source-2.6.18-3-686 |
| 03:56.05 | azeem | seshomaru123: should probably work I guess, yeah |
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| 03:56.14 | endra | how can I tell my interfaces to use dhcpcd rather than dhclient? |
| 03:56.17 | EdLin | hatter: change the directory - it violates naming conventions. |
| 03:56.20 | Wyzard | hatter: umm... that looks like the name of a precompiled Debian kernel, not a custom-compiled one |
| 03:56.24 | seshomaru123 | azeem - thank you |
| 03:56.31 | Rusty1 | endra: wep on both ? |
| 03:56.31 | azeem | hatter: then you didn't tell make-kpkg the right versioning information probably |
| 03:56.38 | endra | Rusty1: mm? |
| 03:56.50 | endra | How can I tell eth1 that when I do 'ifup eth1' to not run dhclient but run dhcpcd |
| 03:56.50 | hatter | wyzard, i just recompiled the current running kernel |
| 03:57.07 | azeem | endra: I don't think you can; why do you want to dun dhcpcd? |
| 03:57.10 | Wyzard | hatter: What driver did you need to add, btw? |
| 03:57.14 | hatter | oops. /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-3-686 |
| 03:57.23 | endra | well, because dhcpcd worked fine on Gentoo with wireless on this same machine |
| 03:57.26 | hatter | wyzard; ide-scsi |
| 03:57.27 | azeem | hatter: install that header .deb then |
| 03:57.31 | hatter | for a sony tape drive |
| 03:57.40 | Wyzard | hatter: ...ide-scsi is already provided by the standard Debian kernels |
| 03:57.41 | azeem | hatter: it should have been built along with the linux-image-* |
| 03:58.03 | Wyzard | hatter: and you don't need it anyway -- it used to be necessary for CD burning, but not anymore |
| 03:58.03 | hatter | azeem: the .deb that got created is linux-2.6.18_2.6.18_i386.deb |
| 03:58.04 | azeem | endra: did you try manually first? |
| 03:58.07 | azeem | eh |
| 03:58.14 | endra | azeem: yes but it doesn't work so well |
| 03:58.18 | hatter | wyzard: not anymore |
| 03:58.31 | hatter | the latest etch kernel doesnt have ide-scsi |
| 03:58.31 | endra | I'll do it manually, again, and I'll tell you EXACTLY what I'm typing |
| 03:58.32 | azeem | endra: dhcpcd doesn't work so well? |
| 03:58.33 | hatter | sarge did |
| 03:58.37 | endra | so, manually does not work |
| 03:58.40 | Wyzard | hatter: Maybe it was removed because it's no longer necessary? |
| 03:58.50 | Wyzard | hatter: when 2.6.0 was released, ide-scsi didn't even work properly |
| 03:59.00 | Wyzard | hatter: wasn't a big deal because it's not important anymore |
| 03:59.03 | hatter | wyzard: yes, but the tape drive fills up the logs with errors without it |
| 03:59.28 | azeem | hatter: so try to tell klogd to ignore those |
| 03:59.28 | hatter | wyzard:ers-2.6.18-3-686/scripts/basic/Makefile: No such file or directory |
| 03:59.36 | Wyzard | hatter: What sort of errors? |
| 03:59.36 | damog | My gf wants me to play typespeed with her, she'll kill me |
| 04:00.14 | EdLin | damog: liar! #debian participants don't have girlfriends. |
| 04:00.34 | Nielsen | shit... i better leave then :P |
| 04:00.48 | biglaughing | lol.... my girl is Debian |
| 04:01.03 | endra | iwconfig eth1 essid "darpa"; ifconfig eth1 down; ifconfig eth1 192.168.1.116 broadcast 192.168.1.255 netmask 255.255.255.0 up; route add default gw 192.168.1.1 |
| 04:01.03 | azeem | EdLin: thanks for bringing that up |
| 04:01.17 | azeem | endra: that's not using dhcpcd, no? |
| 04:01.18 | EdLin | azeem: yw |
| 04:01.23 | endra | azeem: that is manually |
| 04:01.25 | hatter | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:01.41 | azeem | endra: I said, run dhcpcd manually, not through ifup |
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| 04:01.55 | endra | oh. I thought you meant do it all manually :P |
| 04:02.40 | azeem | endra: if you have no evidence that dhcpcd works better than dhclient other than gentoo experience, there is no need to worry about ifup, IMHO |
| 04:02.40 | damog | EdLin: I'm sorry. |
| 04:03.07 | EdLin | damog: heh, I had a girlfriend recently, but she broke up for my next-door neighbor. |
| 04:03.08 | Rusty1 | endra: wireshark (ethereal) available? |
| 04:03.39 | endra | Rusty1: I can get it |
| 04:03.45 | endra | I have a wired conneciton to the machine now |
| 04:04.10 | endra | azeem: I agree, dhcpcd eth1 does absolutely nothing, it just sits there |
| 04:04.18 | damog | EdLin: Dude, that's sad. And it's even sader for you to tell it on #debian :-) |
| 04:04.24 | endra | So.. either my router isn't sending or this machine isn't receiving |
| 04:04.47 | endra | And since I can rule out the router not working, it has got to be the machine not receiving |
| 04:04.48 | Rusty1 | endra: or there's a security issue |
| 04:04.55 | EdLin | damog: heh |
| 04:04.55 | endra | Rusty1: like what? |
| 04:06.14 | endra | Rusty1: I am installing wireshark now |
| 04:06.39 | endra | Gots to love the high speed bandwidth :D |
| 04:07.10 | endra | Rusty1: wireshark is complete, what would you like me to do? |
| 04:07.10 | Wyzard | hatter: At any rate, it sounds like you've done something weird and unusual with the way you compiled your custom kernel |
| 04:07.13 | azeem | Usuario9957-Away: please turn off noisy away |
| 04:08.12 | hatter | biglaughing: I have vmware on many servers, its only after installing a kernel with a new name, even though its based on the running kernel |
| 04:08.49 | Rusty1 | endra: sniff the interface , see what the router and the pc are saying to each other |
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| 04:09.16 | Wyzard | hatter: What source code did you compile your kernel from? |
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| 04:10.44 | endra | Rusty1: when doing ifup eth1? |
| 04:11.29 | hatter | wyzard: ah, i compiled the kernel on a different boc |
| 04:11.48 | hatter | but both the same kernels, |
| 04:11.51 | Wyzard | hatter: doesn't matter where you compiled it... where did you get the source code from? |
| 04:11.55 | endra | Rusty1: it does not find my interfaces, and if I run it in su it says cannot find Gtk interface |
| 04:11.55 | hatter | and the same distro |
| 04:12.00 | hatter | from apt |
| 04:12.05 | Wyzard | hatter: what package? |
| 04:12.11 | hatter | linux-source i will turn the box on a nd check |
| 04:12.19 | Wyzard | hatter: linux-source-2.6.18, right? |
| 04:12.21 | hatter | i think it was linux-source-2.6.8-3-686 |
| 04:12.26 | hatter | yes |
| 04:12.40 | Wyzard | hatter: There is no linux-source-2.6.18-3-686 |
| 04:12.50 | endra | How is it that when I run something as su that I can tell it to use my X window? |
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| 04:13.00 | Wyzard | hatter: (and btw, the supported kernel in etch is 2.6.18-4-686 -- you should update) |
| 04:13.08 | hatter | ok |
| 04:13.17 | hatter | the box is turning on, i will see |
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| 04:13.33 | Wyzard | hatter: linux-source-2.6.18 provides a tar.bz2 file in /usr/src, which extracts to create /usr/src/linux-image-2.6.18 |
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| 04:13.51 | Wyzard | hatter: That's the directory where you build the kernel |
| 04:13.52 | asarch | Hi everyone, how is it getting along? |
| 04:13.56 | asarch | How's the weather? |
| 04:13.59 | hatter | wyzard: which is what must be there |
| 04:14.07 | hatter | or i couldnt have compiled the new kernel |
| 04:14.12 | Wyzard | hatter: so if your kernel build directory was anything other than /usr/src/linux-image-2.6.18, you must have manually renamed it or done something weird |
| 04:14.25 | hatter | nothing weird happened |
| 04:14.56 | Wyzard | hatter: That directory can be used as headers |
| 04:15.11 | asarch | Cool, is fresh around here |
| 04:15.18 | Rusty1 | endra: try doing as root |
| 04:15.27 | Wyzard | hatter: but if you're building on one machine for use on another, rather than copying /usr/src/linux-image-2.6.18 over, just use make-kpkg's "kernel_headers" target to build a headers .deb |
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| 04:15.31 | endra | yes but when I do that, it says Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display |
| 04:15.31 | hatter | wyzard: ah. that would be it then, the source is not installed on the box i moved the kernel to |
| 04:15.39 | Wyzard | hatter: and install that along with the image .deb |
| 04:15.45 | Usuario9957-Away | azeem ok |
| 04:16.00 | Rusty1 | endra: log out as user , login as root |
| 04:16.06 | endra | you can login as root? |
| 04:16.22 | hatter | yep, linux-source-2.6.28 |
| 04:16.24 | hatter | oops |
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| 04:16.30 | hatter | linux-source-2.6.18 |
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| 04:16.43 | endra | Root logins are not allowed it says |
| 04:16.48 | azeem | endra: try sudo |
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| 04:17.33 | Rusty1 | endra console session, login as root, type: startx |
| 04:17.41 | endra | Rusty1: yea, figured :P |
| 04:17.44 | omry | anyone encounter a bug where after logrotate apache can't rebind to port 80 and shuts down? |
| 04:18.19 | hatter | wyzard: so the command is : make-kpkg kernel-headers from inside the linux source directory ? |
| 04:18.32 | Wyzard | hatter: should be, yes |
| 04:18.53 | Wyzard | omry: afaik, rotating logs shouldn't involve *un*-binding from port 80 |
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| 04:19.23 | omry | Wyzard, shouldn't, but this is the error email i got from /etc/cron.daily/logrotate |
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| 04:19.51 | omry | Wyzard, hmm, someone else is getting it as well: http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20070424.082025.59f72c5d.en.html |
| 04:20.17 | liam2 | Is flash 9 very unstable on debian etch? |
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| 04:21.07 | Wyzard | omry: sounds like maybe it's trying to start another instance of apache when one is already running |
| 04:21.30 | Wyzard | omry: but I have an etch box with apache2 and logrotate installed, and that doesn't happen |
| 04:21.41 | omry | Wyzard, well, possibly, only it kills the right one after that happens. so I end up with no apache. |
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| 04:22.09 | Wyzard | omry: dunno, sorry |
| 04:22.11 | omry | Wyzard, its not happening all the time. |
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| 04:22.20 | omry | Wyzard, np, thanks. |
| 04:22.57 | omry | at least now I know what cause it. before my admin mailbox was swamped by changetrack emails. |
| 04:23.43 | endra | Rusty1: ifupe th1 whenever a dhcpdiscover packet is sent, wireshark dtects it, no input whatsoever though |
| 04:23.45 | enderxim | ok, so i'm in debian. i've made peace with the acpi error that spams my screen. got x and alsa working. now. to install my graphics drivers. when i try to use nvidias installer, i get some error messages. first, is this the best way? ubuntu has the nvidia-glx package. does debian have something similar? |
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| 04:24.19 | omry | enderxim, msg dpkg nvidia |
| 04:24.58 | enderxim | omry: thanks a bunch |
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| 04:26.48 | NefariousPrior | Other than totem, is there a iceweasel(mozilla) plugin that can handle embedded video intended to be played with WMP ? |
| 04:26.57 | Rusty1 | endra is this a ubuntu gig, or straight debian? |
| 04:27.09 | endra | Rusty1: straight debian |
| 04:27.27 | endra | Rusty1: actually,, I just foudn out that the router is sending ICMPv6 'router solicitation' |
| 04:27.40 | endra | And we are sending SLL 'Sent by us' |
| 04:27.51 | sid | NefariousPrior: mozilla-mplayer |
| 04:28.06 | NefariousPrior | sid: thanks |
| 04:28.23 | endra | could it be this wireless card is trying to connect using.. ipv6? |
| 04:28.29 | liam2 | Anyone else get frequent segfalts with flash 9 in iceweasel (on etch)? |
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| 04:28.43 | sid | liam2: yes |
| 04:28.53 | sid | liam2: I installed gnash, and everything is stable and good. |
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| 04:29.06 | sid | liam2: It pretty much can do everything I wanted the proprietary flash to do. |
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| 04:29.37 | Rusty1 | endra crash time here, sorry couldnt help more |
| 04:29.44 | endra | Rusty1: thanks for trying :-) |
| 04:29.45 | sid | They're still hacking on the project quiet frequently, so every now and then I checkout the latest trunk from cvs and compile and use that. |
| 04:29.47 | endra | Take care! |
| 04:29.53 | liam2 | sid: I assume it's no good on youtube though. |
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| 04:33.21 | endra | Upgrading to lenny is as easy as replacing 'etch' in sources.list with 'lenny', right? |
| 04:33.29 | endra | I'm hoping perhaps they fixed this in lenny |
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| 04:34.03 | EdLin | endra: well, lenny isn't as stable as etch, but dist-upgrading, especially with aptitude, should give you a lenny system. |
| 04:34.25 | endra | how would I dist-upgrade? Just aptitude dist-upgrade? |
| 04:34.43 | EdLin | endra: change the sources.list, update, and dist-upgrade. |
| 04:35.00 | beap | msg dpg etch > lenny |
| 04:35.04 | EdLin | endra: if you do it with apt-get, dist-upgrade's the proper command too. |
| 04:35.27 | EdLin | beap: dpkg you mean |
| 04:36.06 | beap | msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 04:36.33 | endra | thank you |
| 04:36.37 | beap | :) |
| 04:38.09 | sid | liam2: gnash works great with youtube |
| 04:38.11 | sid | and with google video |
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| 04:40.09 | EdLin | sid: only the one in cvs or the like or the latest release(s)? |
| 04:40.17 | matehortua | hi all |
| 04:40.20 | matehortua | hi All, after a long time whitout debian, i installed on my new (at last) laptop (intel core 2 duo 5600 + 2Gb ram) |
| 04:40.20 | matehortua | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:40.20 | matehortua | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:41.57 | hatter | Wyzard: thank you |
| 04:42.02 | hatter | Wyzard: that did it |
| 04:42.05 | EdLin | btw, I'm having a problem with iceweasel locking up the machine tight on a regular basis. |
| 04:42.31 | EdLin | happens with or without flash plugins, so I know that's not the problem. |
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| 04:45.23 | Jawq | Ok, but do you think company would be better because they run the cables, and also have a software side? or the other will have someone run them, them like make them customer, remote vnc help them, setup severs manage network problems cisco, 3com, solaris, redhat, windows? |
| 04:46.14 | EdLin | !wtf Jawq |
| 04:46.15 | dpkg | Gee... I don't know what Jawq means... |
| 04:46.22 | EdLin | heh |
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| 04:48.18 | Jawq | dpkg: I mean a networking company that runs cables/phones/etc and has a software side, or one that will have soemeon run cables for them but then do the rest? like solaris unix/linux, network admin or basicaly what ever there is and remote vnc etc..? |
| 04:48.22 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, Jawq |
| 04:48.44 | EdLin | dpkg: what are you? |
| 04:48.44 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 04:49.01 | EdLin | Jawq: ^^^ |
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| 04:49.24 | Miles_Prower | dpkg: bloobot |
| 04:49.29 | Miles_Prower | dpkg: blootbot |
| 04:49.29 | dpkg | rumour has it, blootbot is a severely mutiliated infobot (right now, the code doesn't even look like infobot any more), by xk. Homepage at http://blootbot.sourceforge.net. Archive is at http://www.nyip.net/~apt/blootbot. See blootbot debs now in debian, or if you didn't already know this you probably don't want to run a blootbot unless you're very good with perl, or http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot, or the latest svn has pgsql support. |
| 04:49.31 | Miles_Prower | lol |
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| 04:49.44 | EdLin | Jawq: your question doesnt't seem to be a Debian GNU/Linux question - try another channel. |
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| 04:51.55 | exobyte | I remember when nerds had no lives and were here on saturday night |
| 04:51.58 | exobyte | *nights |
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| 04:52.29 | PumpkinPie | its too bad too |
| 04:52.32 | EdLin | exobyte: weather's warmer. |
| 04:52.34 | PumpkinPie | those were the good ol days |
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| 04:53.03 | EdLin | well technically it's... |
| 04:53.06 | EdLin | !sunday |
| 04:53.06 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
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| 04:53.14 | EdLin | in this time zone |
| 04:53.35 | exobyte | EdLin: but summer's when girls can tell if a guy works out |
| 04:53.49 | exobyte | EdLin: and the way guys on #debian work out isn't a turnon |
| 04:53.51 | hatter | mmmm, chicks |
| 04:54.16 | EdLin | apt-get install hot-babe |
| 04:54.40 | exobyte | remember when pornview came with, what else, porn? |
| 04:55.03 | EdLin | no... |
| 04:55.12 | EdLin | but I never used that one. |
| 04:55.16 | exobyte | sad |
| 04:55.29 | hatter | !girls |
| 04:55.29 | dpkg | what runs the pool system and testing and various other parts of the debian distribution. read about them at http://cvs.debian.org/dak/docs/README.names?rev=1.22&cvsroot=dak&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup |
| 04:55.42 | NefariousPrior | huh? |
| 04:56.13 | exobyte | geek girls scare me |
| 04:56.17 | NefariousPrior | aye |
| 04:56.30 | hatter | I had sex with a geek girl a few weeks ago, she was good |
| 04:56.32 | exobyte | I'm fine with renessance faire girls, though |
| 04:56.43 | exobyte | hatter: um, dude, don't brag |
| 04:56.46 | NefariousPrior | hehe, same |
| 04:57.16 | exobyte | NefariousPrior: it's like with geek girls, we can see how geeks are a turnoff |
| 04:57.22 | hatter | bragging is why we have girls |
| 04:57.36 | hatter | sometimes its about good sex, but mostly about the bragging |
| 04:57.45 | NefariousPrior | no no, geek girls are hot, but intimidating. |
| 04:57.58 | gordboy | i once slept with two geek girls in the same decade |
| 04:58.13 | NefariousPrior | lol |
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| 04:59.07 | exobyte | gordboy: since you're in #debian, by slept, I assume you meant slept |
| 04:59.29 | NefariousPrior | ? |
| 04:59.37 | NefariousPrior | oh, heh |
| 05:00.00 | exobyte | this is where nice guys hang out |
| 05:00.14 | gordboy | exobyte: they were more like zombies |
| 05:00.15 | exobyte | #ubuntu is where future 40 year old virgins hang out |
| 05:01.17 | exobyte | speaking about geek girls- meebo's founders that do technical stuff are girls |
| 05:01.22 | exobyte | it's so, weird |
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| 05:03.03 | hatter | i swore in the ununtu channel the other day and got told that its a family channel. |
| 05:03.16 | hatter | (and praise the lord) |
| 05:03.25 | exobyte | hatter: fuckin serious? |
| 05:03.32 | hatter | fucking oath mate. |
| 05:03.49 | exobyte | creepy |
| 05:03.51 | hatter | oops |
| 05:03.54 | hatter | sorry eveybondy |
| 05:04.00 | hatter | all the young children and parents |
| 05:04.00 | exobyte | ubuntu is a fanboy distro |
| 05:04.03 | hatter | I apologise |
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| 05:04.18 | exobyte | what kind of crappy parents let their kids on irc? |
| 05:04.30 | hatter | its just... so ... very.... 'nice' over there |
| 05:04.33 | exobyte | kids these days don't use irc |
| 05:04.51 | gordboy | irc is full of kids |
| 05:05.04 | hatter | who swear worse than us adults |
| 05:05.07 | exobyte | I thought that was forums and diggs |
| 05:05.09 | exobyte | *digg |
| 05:05.32 | gordboy | kid (noun) : someone under 45 |
| 05:05.45 | exobyte | lol |
| 05:05.51 | exobyte | I suppose that's I |
| 05:05.56 | gordboy | see |
| 05:06.58 | exobyte | funny digg story for the day- a guy goes to a digg party with a friend. Not knowing it's a digg party, he kept asking if he was in a gay bar. |
| 05:09.02 | acu | does anyone know where is the Linux "aproved" periferal list - I want to buy a portable video (.rm and .wav ) and mp3 player if possible with a voice recorder - however I am confused which one is Linux (Debian) compatible and recomended - any other hint besides the hyperlink to the list is appreciated |
| 05:10.47 | exobyte | acu: most are just usb drives, and the interface is mostly specified in the usb spec |
| 05:10.52 | Ru6yxx | Newbie here...whats a good site for learning terminal commands? |
| 05:11.01 | exobyte | Ru6yxx: terminal? |
| 05:11.03 | EdLin | Ru6yxx: rute.sf.net |
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| 05:11.11 | Ru6yxx | yeah |
| 05:11.18 | gordboy | kill is a terminal command |
| 05:11.22 | exobyte | Ru6yxx: you mean unix cli? |
| 05:11.32 | Ru6yxx | linux cli |
| 05:11.37 | exobyte | *niix |
| 05:11.43 | exobyte | *nix |
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| 05:11.54 | exobyte | ps is the only one with major differences |
| 05:11.59 | EdLin | exobyte: GNU's not Unix |
| 05:12.20 | dondelelcaro | lots of commands have major differences, actually |
| 05:12.37 | dondelelcaro | POSIX defines a surprisingly limited set of command options |
| 05:12.41 | exobyte | EdLin: what if it's a gnu distro with a bsd kernel? |
| 05:12.48 | gordboy | Ru6yxx: http://wooledge.org/mywiki/BashFAQ?action=show&redirect=BashFaq |
| 05:12.49 | EdLin | yep, SysV is quite a bit different command-wise. |
| 05:12.57 | dondelelcaro | exobyte: then it's GNU/kFreeBSD FE. |
| 05:13.05 | Malf | I've run into many an issue with the differences in SysV as well |
| 05:13.06 | gordboy | Ru6yxx: http://www.student.northpark.edu/pemente/awk/awk1line.txt |
| 05:13.07 | exobyte | dondelelcaro: most of the ones I frequently use are pretty similar |
| 05:13.21 | gordboy | Ru6yxx: http://www.student.northpark.edu/pemente/sed/sed1line.txt |
| 05:13.29 | dondelelcaro | exobyte: depends which unix variant you're talking about |
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| 05:13.44 | EdLin | Malf: I started on SysV, but don't miss it all that much. |
| 05:13.54 | dondelelcaro | (and there's a reason whhy a lot of the other unix variants have gnu userland ported to them) |
| 05:14.05 | exobyte | dondelelcaro: I mainly use solaris and freebsd |
| 05:14.09 | Ru6yxx | ty |
| 05:14.21 | Malf | EdLin: Heh. I had to manage some server running it for a bit. It was a good way to force me to learn a few things I'd glossed over in the linux world |
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| 05:14.27 | EdLin | exobyte: our condolences, though Solaris has some wiz-bang new features. |
| 05:14.58 | exobyte | dondelelcaro: ls, cat, grep, |, shells, find, sed, etc are all pretty close in all of thoser |
| 05:15.14 | exobyte | EdLin: e.g. zfs, which exists in the bsd world, btw |
| 05:15.21 | EdLin | exobyte: yes, I know. |
| 05:15.32 | dondelelcaro | exobyte: the basic useage, but find, for example, is about as divergent as you can get |
| 05:15.45 | EdLin | exobyte: there's even a ZFS for FUSE for Linux, but its too slow. |
| 05:15.50 | exobyte | LOL |
| 05:16.25 | EdLin | exobyte: well, it gets around the kernel-gpl-linkage problem. |
| 05:16.34 | exobyte | EdLin: I like the idea of fuse, but it would be fast enough to be usable for normal file systems only under a microkernel |
| 05:16.41 | Malf | exobyte: Yeah the changes in options start to make me cry pretty quickly |
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| 05:16.50 | Malf | exobyte: Option flags I should say |
| 05:17.07 | exobyte | EdLin: iirc, sun made their license specifically to smack gpl, stallman, and friends |
| 05:17.09 | EdLin | exobyte: it's OK for file copying from NTFS for desktop users. |
| 05:17.35 | exobyte | EdLin: and sshfs, bittorrent fs, etc |
| 05:17.50 | EdLin | exobyte: sshfs looks interesting, yep. |
| 05:18.32 | exobyte | EdLin: except when I tunnel into my home machine from work to play music, port fowarding port139 over ssh is FASTER than sshfs |
| 05:18.33 | EdLin | exobyte: I don't know enough about the CDDL to say, but it certainly does look GPL incompatible. |
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| 05:19.18 | exobyte | EdLin: I don't get the gpl- free as in freedom, you're just not free to make private changes |
| 05:19.27 | EdLin | exobyte: ssh is great for avoiding firewall faschism. |
| 05:19.39 | EdLin | fascism |
| 05:20.13 | EdLin | as well as being great for replacing insecure protocols. |
| 05:20.35 | exobyte | EdLin: e.g. smb |
| 05:20.46 | Malf | SMB ISN'T SECURE!? |
| 05:21.09 | EdLin | exobyte: look at what happened to WINE, or what happened to X11 before X386 - GPL is a good protection. |
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| 05:22.09 | EdLin | exobyte: unless your purpose is to have adoption, then there are a few advantages to BSD-like licenses. |
| 05:22.12 | dfx- | Can someone point me in a general direction of getting the artwiz fonts installed? The xfonts-artwiz package doesn't seem to be available any longer. |
| 05:22.12 | exobyte | one of my OSI model rants is that there isn't a way to simply add client-sever authentication and an encrypted tunnel. Oh, and what about when people want to create custom headers for their own programs that contain connection IDs. It sounds like UDP, to me, just another layer |
| 05:22.46 | exobyte | EdLin: bsd is for people who really just care about developing their software |
| 05:22.50 | EdLin | dfx-: download them from somewhere and put them in ~/.fonts for Xft. |
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| 05:23.08 | exobyte | EdLin: the gnu/linux people seem to be more about changin the world |
| 05:23.13 | EdLin | exobyte: and GPL isn't for people who care about developing software? |
| 05:23.23 | dfx- | EdLin: that's it? I'll give that a try |
| 05:26.21 | exobyte | EdLin: it is, but also for people with a political agenda, of sorts |
| 05:26.21 | EdLin | dfx-: some programs might need older font systems, then you'll need to create fonts.dir, fonts.scale, etc. |
| 05:26.21 | dfx- | EdLin: OK I'll do some research on that, thanks! |
| 05:26.21 | EdLin | exobyte: it doesn't have to be political, it can be simply that you care about what is done with your software... |
| 05:26.21 | EdLin | exobyte: heck, you can even dual-license if closed source is your thing. |
| 05:26.22 | exobyte | EdLin: which generally means you don't want someone cashing in on yor work |
| 05:26.22 | exobyte | *your |
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| 05:26.22 | EdLin | exobyte: no, you don't want someone embracing-and-extending it. |
| 05:26.22 | EdLin | exobyte: then keeping the new bits to themselves. |
| 05:26.23 | exobyte | EdLin: right; that's the idea behind the gpl, but what's the motive? |
| 05:26.28 | EdLin | exobyte: BSD licenses are good for promulgating standards though, in some cases. |
| 05:26.45 | exobyte | EdLin: VERY true |
| 05:26.52 | EdLin | exobyte: what the FSF's motive is and what Linus's motives are, are two different things. Licenses don't have motives. |
| 05:27.24 | exobyte | EdLin: bsd helpded tcp/ip a lot; windows used the bsd ip stack up until recently |
| 05:27.35 | exobyte | EdLin: but people do |
| 05:27.38 | EdLin | exobyte: if by very recently you mean before 1995. |
| 05:27.57 | exobyte | EdLin: uhh, I think they had some of the code in there for longer |
| 05:28.09 | EdLin | exobyte: ftp.exe doesn't count. :) |
| 05:28.24 | exobyte | EdLin: and telnet? |
| 05:28.34 | EdLin | exobyte: yeah, you said "stack" |
| 05:28.56 | exobyte | true |
| 05:29.00 | EdLin | specifically "ip stack" |
| 05:29.15 | exobyte | but by the time ip was established, ms removed the bsd code |
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| 05:30.08 | Zero` | hello |
| 05:30.10 | EdLin | I think Win3.x used third party software for TCP/IP, trumpet or something. But back then I was using a shell account with a UUCP feed. |
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| 05:30.53 | EdLin | Zero`: hello |
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| 05:30.59 | matehortua | hi all |
| 05:31.00 | exobyte | EdLin: back in the day... |
| 05:31.23 | EdLin | exobyte: when we used TCP/IP over paper-cup-and-string.... |
| 05:31.42 | exobyte | EdLin: I really wish pf got ported to linux and replaced iptables; the bsd licence allows it to spread pretty well |
| 05:31.54 | Zero` | i'need repositorys of the etch |
| 05:32.03 | EdLin | exobyte: iptables seriously is a pain compared to both ipf and pf. |
| 05:32.05 | exobyte | EdLin: I've never heard token ring described like that before |
| 05:32.12 | EdLin | exobyte: heh |
| 05:32.16 | exobyte | EdLin: YES. very |
| 05:32.24 | exobyte | EdLin: and pf is sooooo well documented |
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| 05:32.57 | EdLin | exobyte: Linux manpages are definitely deficient. |
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| 05:33.26 | exobyte | freebsd and openbsd keep their documents up to date very wel |
| 05:33.30 | exobyte | *well |
| 05:33.37 | enderxim | wheew. got myself all set. ratpoison is working, alsa is working, wine is working, etc, etc. can't get rid of that annoying acpi message but at least in x it doesn't bother me. thanks for the help guys. |
| 05:34.17 | exobyte | EdLin: linux supports a few more fun things |
| 05:34.23 | EdLin | exobyte: that's something I miss about *BSD, and even Solaris. Better manpage text. (Note I said "text" because Solaris's manpages are in SGML.) |
| 05:34.37 | EdLin | exobyte: yep, Linux's kernel has some nice features. |
| 05:35.01 | exobyte | EdLin: some... but I find myself recompiling it more than a bsd kernel |
| 05:35.28 | EdLin | exobyte: yeah, Linux's recompilation process is also a lot more complex. |
| 05:35.38 | exobyte | EdLin: (slow) |
| 05:36.11 | exobyte | and one of my points was that GNU can be unix |
| 05:36.21 | EdLin | exobyte: BSD isn't Unix(tm) |
| 05:36.43 | exobyte | EdLin: it's a re-write of unix for x86 |
| 05:36.45 | EdLin | exobyte: at least as of 4.4BSD |
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| 05:37.09 | EdLin | exobyte: no, it's a re-write of Unix(tm). Compare the titles of the 4.3BSD book and the 4.4BSD book. |
| 05:37.47 | exobyte | EdLin: so unix is to Unix(tm) as linux is to GNU/Linux? |
| 05:38.16 | EdLin | exobyte: Unix (and unix) are trademarks of the Open Group, or whatever AT&T/Novell spin-off owns the trademark now. |
| 05:38.26 | EdLin | exobyte: while Linux is a kernel. |
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| 05:39.29 | exobyte | EdLin: I'd still say freebsd has enough unix heritage to claim to be an unofficial unix rewrite |
| 05:39.48 | EdLin | exobyte: an semi-official BSD Unix re-write, yes. |
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| 05:39.56 | EdLin | s/an/a/ |
| 05:40.21 | exobyte | EdLin: linux however: no. It's a unix-like kernel |
| 05:40.32 | exobyte | sorta like |
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| 05:40.44 | EdLin | exobyte: have you looked at some of the operating systems that are called Unix(tm)? Some of them use Mach! |
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| 05:40.51 | exobyte | lol |
| 05:40.54 | Malf | hah |
| 05:41.31 | exobyte | I was actually wondering what would happen with a hurd kernel and a bsd userland, but it's probably like OS-X |
| 05:41.49 | exobyte | yay microkernels |
| 05:41.53 | EdLin | OS X... Ewww. Nice GUI, mediocre underpinnings. |
| 05:42.04 | exobyte | EdLin: the story of apple |
| 05:42.13 | exobyte | and lsd |
| 05:42.15 | EdLin | exobyte: well, it's gotten better. |
| 05:42.44 | exobyte | contrast apple to cisco |
| 05:42.49 | exobyte | lol |
| 05:43.25 | chemaja1 | i never realised how much a gtk+ theme can affect desktop responsiveness |
| 05:43.33 | EdLin | pf will hopefully be a cisco-killer. |
| 05:43.45 | exobyte | EdLin: that'd be interesting |
| 05:43.46 | chemaja1 | EdLin, what, it's coming to Debian? |
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| 05:43.51 | exobyte | but cisco is a hardware company |
| 05:44.10 | EdLin | chemaja1: Debian KFreeBSD/GNU or whatever it's called. |
| 05:44.15 | chemaja1 | EdLin, and how are the Mac OS X underpinnings mediocre |
| 05:44.17 | en1gma | when i install debian sometimes i use installgui but i cant seem to set vga= correctly |
| 05:44.21 | chemaja1 | EdLin, good point |
| 05:44.24 | EdLin | chemaja1: performance. |
| 05:44.30 | en1gma | what should it be set to (791) makes it to small |
| 05:45.43 | exobyte | EdLin: kill ethernet and you kill cisco |
| 05:45.53 | exobyte | EdLin: but not with pbx. nortel tried and failed |
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| 05:46.52 | EdLin | en1gma: can you use the text mode? it's just an installer and the two are functionally identical. |
| 05:47.04 | en1gma | its my friend and he wants gui |
| 05:47.27 | en1gma | whats the next res donw from 791 |
| 05:47.31 | en1gma | its only 1 off |
| 05:48.00 | EdLin | en1gma: 788? I don't remember. |
| 05:48.22 | chemaja1 | if anyone complains that Etch's Gnome is slow, try switching to Simple theme :) |
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| 05:51.31 | en1gma | how do you set vga=791 with a frequency |
| 05:51.43 | EdLin | en1gma: you can't. |
| 05:51.58 | en1gma | ive seen something along the lines of a cheat code with a freq |
| 05:52.03 | en1gma | is it screen |
| 05:52.23 | EdLin | en1gma: Debian is not full of cheat codes and the like. |
| 05:52.35 | en1gma | well it does quite a few |
| 05:52.38 | EdLin | en1gma: cheat codes can be cool though, I like grml. |
| 05:52.54 | en1gma | havent seen that one |
| 05:52.56 | EdLin | en1gma: what you're refering to are kernel parameters present in generic kernels for the most part. |
| 05:53.12 | EdLin | en1gma: well, grml has no graphical install, so your friend won't like it. |
| 05:53.25 | en1gma | hes done the text install a few times |
| 05:53.33 | en1gma | but im fixing it for him so its perfect |
| 05:53.43 | EdLin | en1gma: in fact, it's installer is a lot more primative than Debian's.... |
| 05:53.50 | exobyte | I have a box where when I ping the router, I get a quick responce (they're dirrectly connected), but when I ping, say, a google IP, it takes about a minute to get anything. The connection might be VERY error prone. Once packets come back, the pings start to get printed consistently. the responces say ttl=241, and time=225ms. the time seems very wrong, and windows can't even ping (it times out) |
| 05:55.21 | EdLin | en1gma: why does he need to use Debian's installer so much that it's *that* important what it looks like? You've got to use it once, even for upgrades. |
| 05:56.27 | EdLin | en1gma: it isn't like it's hard to use. Just press enter a lot. :) |
| 05:57.01 | chemaja | everyone knows the ncurses d-i is sexier then the gui one :) |
| 05:57.38 | EdLin | chemaja: the GUI one might be useful for a few laptops. There's no functional difference otherwise. |
| 05:57.59 | chemaja | EdLin, another good point. |
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| 05:58.34 | chemaja | hopefully it's just too much hair gel |
| 05:59.06 | EdLin | heh |
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| 06:06.17 | regulate_ | exobyte: anti DoS measures ? |
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| 06:07.53 | bullgard4 | How can I establish if my notebook computer has an Embedded Controller? (The module i2c_ec was installed automatically.) |
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| 06:10.04 | exobyte | regulate_: I don't see a reponse for over a minute |
| 06:10.55 | exobyte | regulate_: and just browsing a website doesn't work |
| 06:11.15 | exobyte | I think I need to bug the isp |
| 06:11.28 | exobyte | when a local ping works fie |
| 06:11.30 | exobyte | *fine |
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| 06:12.51 | regulate_ | bullgard4: modprobe i2c_dev |
| 06:13.02 | regulate_ | bullgard4: then i2cdetect |
| 06:13.35 | yumanda | Help me, i can't install flashplayer on a x86_64 machine,what can i do? |
| 06:13.53 | regulate_ | dont use flash? |
| 06:14.06 | exobyte | regulate_: DoS is something to consider, though... I'm off to bed, though |
| 06:14.33 | exobyte | yumanda: there's always the x86 version |
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| 06:15.28 | sheldonh | !exim |
| 06:15.28 | dpkg | exim is a message transfer agent developed at University of Cambridge for use on Unix systems connected to the internet. Freely available under the GPL. It is similar to Smail 3. http://www.exim.org, very much like sendmail, including security holes all over the place, consider switching to exim4 for security and speed improvements, or to clean the mail queue and delete pending e-mail, use "mailq | awk '{print $3}' | xargs exim -Mrm" |
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| 06:15.29 | regulate_ | yumanda: http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/linux-amd64.html |
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| 06:15.43 | yumanda | Thanks |
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| 06:16.57 | bullgard4 | regulate_: I did modprobe i2c_dev successfully. i2cdetect responds: "Error: No i2c-bus specified!" i2cdetect -l does not give any output. |
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| 06:18.56 | regulate_ | bullgard4: are your other i2c modules loaded? lsmod|grep i2c |
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| 06:20.56 | bullgard4 | regulate_: detlef@MD97600:~$ lsmod | grep i2c |
| 06:20.56 | bullgard4 | i2c_dev 8708 0 |
| 06:20.56 | bullgard4 | i2c_ec 5888 1 sbs |
| 06:20.56 | bullgard4 | i2c_core 22784 2 i2c_dev,i2c_ec |
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| 06:27.15 | en1gma | is debian 4.0r0 the final |
| 06:27.21 | en1gma | like 3.1 was |
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| 06:28.56 | hark | yes, it's the latest stable release |
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| 06:34.11 | en1gma | ok thanks |
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| 06:39.49 | nvz | en1gma: you mean will lenny be 4.x ? |
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| 06:42.27 | lindylex | hello all |
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| 06:43.13 | lindylex | when I type "startx" I don't see the gnome desktop. I get a blank desktop with a mouse |
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| 06:43.20 | lindylex | cursor |
| 06:43.49 | simonrvn | did you install gnome? do you have an ,xsession file in ~/ ? |
| 06:43.51 | hark | yeah, have you installed gnome? |
| 06:43.53 | nvz | surprise surprise |
| 06:43.55 | simonrvn | er, .xsession |
| 06:44.13 | nvz | to think I thought you were all sleeping at the keyboard |
| 06:44.16 | lindylex | it said it installed it during the instalation |
| 06:44.20 | lindylex | how can I check? |
| 06:44.21 | simonrvn | anyone have a handy tool to cut TCP connections? other than iptables and cutter? |
| 06:44.31 | fargiolas | hi i've posted a bug requesting a package, now after moving to itp it's been packaged and closed, what will happen next? where could i find the package? |
| 06:44.43 | simonrvn | cutter never worked here |
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| 06:44.59 | _Rubyxx | I have 2 pcs running Linux and connected by a crossover cable...Do I have to setup a server on 1 or both PCs or is it possible to network b/w them without one? |
| 06:45.48 | nvz | cut the cable.. it never fails |
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| 06:46.12 | simonrvn | true, i could just drop the conn |
| 06:46.15 | hark | tcpkill? |
| 06:46.23 | nvz | _Rubyxx: just give them both ips on the same subnet |
| 06:46.24 | xingu | simonrvn: hping3 can do it too |
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| 06:46.37 | simonrvn | oh really.. hmm |
| 06:46.50 | simonrvn | best would be something that does FIN ACK RST ;) |
| 06:46.52 | xingu | simonrvn: all you need to be able to do is craft a rst |
| 06:47.02 | _Rubyxx | OK thanks |
| 06:47.02 | en1gma | we got debian kde installed and etch is updated....when i go into console swap = 0 used (the machine only has 256mem and it says 39mb free) |
| 06:47.16 | en1gma | isnt the swap supposed to show something there being used |
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| 06:47.28 | nvz | _Rubyxx: for some reason I had a hell of a time getting mine to work with 10.0.0.1 and 10.0.0.2 but as soon as I switched to 10.0.0.2 and 10.0.0.3 it worked fine |
| 06:47.29 | simonrvn | thanks for the suggestions |
| 06:47.49 | xingu | simonrvn: and hping can do that much; you'll need to wrapper it to work out the local src and dst ports/ addresses though, it won't do that for you. |
| 06:48.16 | simonrvn | been having zombies connect on my pop3 port, and i need it open to the world :| |
| 06:48.22 | EdLin | en1gma: why would you want it to swap unless you need it? (BTW, the amount free indicates usage that will fluctuate depending upon memory needs. Lots is used by the kernel that adjusts.) |
| 06:48.30 | nvz | thats back before I got internet at when I had a small isolated network and had to use sneakernet to update the content from the internet |
| 06:48.41 | simonrvn | that's not a problem, thanks :) |
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| 06:49.01 | nvz | wasted a bunch of hd space d/l dictionaries, and crap to do offline reference |
| 06:49.05 | simonrvn | i had hping2 installed |
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| 06:49.16 | simonrvn | whoah |
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| 06:49.29 | nvz | I was trying to figure out how to mirror wikipedia.. cause they have links to d/l their database |
| 06:49.38 | nvz | but I never got too far on that |
| 06:49.40 | simonrvn | oh yeh? neato |
| 06:49.57 | redduck666 | is having /tmp on the same partition as / a security risk? i mean an unprivileged user could fill up root partition with random data? |
| 06:49.58 | _Rubyxx | nvz: that news surprised me....I thought IP addresses were like 192.168.x.x not 10.0.0.x |
| 06:50.09 | nvz | yeah but after I got internet I figured, screw it, dont need the apt repo, and all this crap anymore.. I got the real thing |
| 06:50.30 | simonrvn | redduck666: people use a tmpfs /tmp nowadays, mostly, or a separate part. |
| 06:50.39 | _Rubyxx | ok |
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| 06:50.48 | nvz | _Rubyxx: both 192.168.x.x and 10.0.0.x are reserved for private class C |
| 06:51.01 | redduck666 | simonrvn: tmpfs is ram iirc, right? isn't that a security risk as well? |
| 06:51.02 | simonrvn | _Rubyxx: er, that's just another set of non-routable IPs, that's all |
| 06:51.15 | redduck666 | separate partition is what i have considered doing |
| 06:51.25 | nvz | _Rubyxx: and if you're setting up an isolated network I don't think you have to follow the rules anyhow |
| 06:51.36 | simonrvn | no because a) you set proper perms on it (nodev nosuid, etc.) and it's limited to the size of the tmpfs fs |
| 06:51.45 | _Rubyxx | ok |
| 06:52.08 | simonrvn | and if you're really paranoid, you use pam-tmpdir |
| 06:52.35 | EdLin | simonrvn: paranoid people who use pam? |
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| 06:52.41 | nvz | _Rubyxx: you know what I mean.. if there is no connection to the internet, it doesnt matter that you got the same ip as fbi.gov of something |
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| 06:52.59 | simonrvn | EdLin: *shrug* |
| 06:53.07 | simonrvn | oh nice |
| 06:53.08 | EdLin | nvz: that's a great private domain name - fbi.gov |
| 06:53.08 | redduck666 | simonrvn: thanks will check out pam-tmpdir, but if you have tmpfs mounted on /tmp and people fill it up it still brings the system on it's knees? |
| 06:53.17 | nvz | EdLin: heh |
| 06:53.19 | xingu | simonrvn: don't forget size= ;) |
| 06:53.20 | simonrvn | why would it? |
| 06:53.39 | redduck666 | simonrvn: isn't tmpfs actually stored in ram? |
| 06:53.48 | simonrvn | if they fill up 64 MB worth of tmpfs, who cares? you've caught them by then |
| 06:53.54 | simonrvn | and? |
| 06:54.04 | simonrvn | it's in VM |
| 06:54.11 | simonrvn | not just RAM |
| 06:55.16 | simonrvn | i'd rather have a debian box connected to the 'net than windows one any day ... |
| 06:55.22 | redduck666 | simonrvn: i am not present 24/7 checking what is the usage of the /tmp, and i can't read mail's 24/7 either, so i can easily imagine someone dding /dev/urandom to /tmp/haha_gotcha_ya |
| 06:55.56 | redduck666 | but like said, thanks for the pamm-tmpdir suggestion, will check it out |
| 06:56.02 | simonrvn | then you're letting the wrong people into your machine |
| 06:56.30 | xingu | redduck666: size= mount flag. |
| 06:56.37 | redduck666 | it is not my choice who to let in the machine |
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| 06:56.54 | redduck666 | xingu: hmmm |
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| 06:59.20 | xingu | simonrvn: one potential gotcha with tmpfs - afaik it can't merge pages, so the smallest file will still chew one full arch-sized page. |
| 06:59.42 | xingu | simonrvn: not really an issue on disk backed media, possibly a problem for vm backed |
| 07:00.37 | xingu | simonrvn: also, for a while there tmpfs leaked during unlink; and finally, if something is really busy on /tmp you can wind up with your context switch rate heading for the moon |
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| 07:04.53 | cheshire314 | hi guys! does anybody of you know where i can find authentication keys of kiberpipa repos? or other repos to get cinelerra on my sid? |
| 07:05.04 | EdLin | !sid |
| 07:05.05 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 07:05.34 | EdLin | iow, IYNTAYS |
| 07:07.01 | redduck666 | cheshire314: i don't think we provide the authorization keys |
| 07:07.35 | EdLin | cheshire314: apt-get.org lists non-offical repos, but if they (or sid) breaks, you keep both pieces. |
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| 07:07.58 | cahoot | IHTAS what is IYNTAS |
| 07:08.03 | redduck666 | cheshire314: andraz@tori.si (was) the cinelerra developer try asking him, or even better gandalf@owca.info i think he was maintainging the deb packages |
| 07:08.10 | EdLin | !IYNTAYS |
| 07:08.10 | dpkg | [iyntays] If You Need To Ask You Shouldn't |
| 07:08.26 | cahoot | oh - I shouldn't then |
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| 07:09.35 | cheshire314 | thank you so much! i'll have drop a line to gandalf |
| 07:10.48 | cheshire314 | redduck666: you said "...we provide..." you mean you're involved in the project yourself? you guys are great! |
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| 07:11.48 | Usuario9957 | lalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalala, you make me wana lala in the kitchen on the floor jajajajajajajajaja |
| 07:11.51 | hark | iyhtays is more common ;) |
| 07:12.12 | EdLin | hark: old habits die hard |
| 07:12.22 | redduck666 | cheshire314: i am not involved in any way with the cinelerra packages, i am part of kiberpipa tho |
| 07:13.13 | Usuario9957 | come on |
| 07:13.27 | redduck666 | and thanks for the compliment :-) |
| 07:13.34 | hark | cheshire314: have you checked the site? |
| 07:13.42 | cheshire314 | redduck666: ah i see... is it kiberpipa only a repo? or is it a project of some kind? |
| 07:14.30 | redduck666 | cheshire314: no, it much bigger than being just a cinelerra repo |
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| 07:14.47 | cheshire314 | hark: i had a look to kiberpipa site but at first i couldn't find informations about authentication keys |
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| 07:15.32 | cheshire314 | redduck666: i see... and where are you from? i ran into some eastearn europe language, am i wrong? |
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| 07:16.16 | Miles_Prower | Random Image o' Tehday: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:H96566k.jpg |
| 07:16.17 | redduck666 | cheshire314: slovenia |
| 07:16.33 | nvz | I wonder if eating a good tablespoon of sugar at 3am will gimme a second wind |
| 07:16.38 | nvz | heh |
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| 07:17.15 | nvz | I got nothing here I can think of that will make me a little more alert for about another hour |
| 07:17.20 | cheshire314 | redduck666: not so far from here! i'm from italy |
| 07:17.47 | Vasistha | nvz: caffeine? |
| 07:18.11 | nvz | Vasistha: I dont think I have anything with caffine.. Milk, Powerade, Juice.. |
| 07:18.19 | EdLin | nvz: try powerade |
| 07:18.29 | nvz | i've been drinkin that all day :P |
| 07:18.37 | Vasistha | nvz: milk is probably not what you want ;) |
| 07:18.40 | nvz | I drink sports drinks like water |
| 07:18.41 | EdLin | nvz: Juice also carries a sugar high. |
| 07:18.48 | Vasistha | specifically warm milk. That's not gonna help you stay awake. |
| 07:18.58 | nvz | mmm I love milk |
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| 07:19.12 | EdLin | I love milk too, but my lactose intolerence hates it. |
| 07:19.34 | cahoot | I'd try sleep |
| 07:19.40 | Vasistha | EdLin: ever tried raw milk? pasteurization kills the enzyme, lactase, which digests lactose for you |
| 07:19.47 | redduck666 | cheshire314: guarda guarda, un italiano :-), e da dove sei tu? |
| 07:19.59 | nvz | my friends thought I was nuts when we went out drinkin.. I drank a whole bottle of Jagermeister before we went out, then drank all night at the bar, then went to Eat & Park and sat down and had milk and eggs for breakfast :P |
| 07:20.00 | EdLin | Vasistha: I'm in the US, where raw milk is illegal. |
| 07:20.17 | nvz | I crave milk especially after drinking |
| 07:20.32 | nvz | nothing tastes better when I'm really thirsty |
| 07:21.02 | Vasistha | EdLin: well, it varies by state, and even in states where it's illegal, one can still sometimes get it, if you're interested. realmilk.com has some good resources... I even found it in KY, where it's completely illegal |
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| 07:21.58 | EdLin | Vasistha: yeah, I'm in NYC, you can buy about anything here, legal or no, but I'm just not that interested in raw milk. |
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| 07:22.03 | peterrus | Good morning |
| 07:22.07 | cheshire314 | redduck666: abito in toscana, vicino pisa :-) |
| 07:22.12 | jeffrin | hello all |
| 07:22.25 | cheshire314 | redduck666: you know... the leaning tower... |
| 07:22.46 | peterrus | Lol |
| 07:23.38 | peterrus | I just came back from toscana |
| 07:23.39 | EdLin | cheshire314: I've thought of opening up a pizza restaurant, and calling it the Leaning Tower of Pizza. |
| 07:23.39 | peterrus | hehe |
| 07:23.39 | peterrus | so |
| 07:23.39 | peterrus | What can I do to make a user have no password, so only their username is asked? |
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| 07:24.50 | simonrvn | what's the IP of this machine? :P |
| 07:24.51 | simonrvn | j/k |
| 07:24.51 | EdLin | peterrus: run wsftp |
| 07:24.51 | simonrvn | ws? eeew |
| 07:24.51 | EdLin | simonrvn: exactly |
| 07:24.52 | peterrus | EdLin, eh, why? It is for ssh |
| 07:24.52 | peterrus | lol @ simonrvn |
| 07:24.54 | EdLin | peterrus: heh, with all the ssh bots out there? just as bad. |
| 07:25.00 | simonrvn | yup |
| 07:25.10 | simonrvn | denyhosts, iptables are your friends |
| 07:25.19 | cheshire314 | EdLin: really?! and where are you from? |
| 07:25.24 | Vasistha | peterrus: I don't know if that's possible in *general*, but I know that it's possible to allow a password-less login in KDE |
| 07:25.38 | peterrus | Vasistha, meh, it is for sshd you see |
| 07:25.45 | EdLin | cheshire314: I was joking about the pizzaria, but I'm from VA, but in Brooklyn, NY |
| 07:26.11 | peterrus | everyone should have acces to this user as the users default shell is a program to add a user for youself to the system |
| 07:26.59 | EdLin | peterrus: you might as well just run rm -r * /, because someone else is going to do that, or worse. |
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| 07:27.36 | peterrus | EdLin, not really, because the users will be put in a jail |
| 07:27.51 | peterrus | AND the only thing they can do is add theirselves |
| 07:27.58 | hark | cheshire314: sorry was away.. you're looking for the cinelerra packages right? |
| 07:28.00 | peterrus | I already have it planned |
| 07:28.27 | dfa001 | peterrus: you could always just have them use KeyFile logins |
| 07:28.38 | EdLin | !dfa001++ |
| 07:28.40 | peterrus | dfa001, whats that? |
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| 07:28.57 | peterrus | Sounds sshd like |
| 07:29.06 | cheshire314 | EdLin: i see... i guess you live in a very beautiful place, i hope i'll spend a visit there sooner or later... what about debian spreading out there? are there many jobs as computer scientists? |
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| 07:29.28 | dfa001 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:29.31 | EdLin | cheshire314: there are many jobs, and many applicants. |
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| 07:29.59 | EdLin | cheshire314: Brooklyn isn't particularly beautiful, though it has some nice things about it. |
| 07:30.01 | cheshire314 | hark: well, not exactly... i guess i can find packages on kiberpipa repos, i was just wondering if i can get apt authentication keys some where |
| 07:30.11 | dfa001 | peterrus: it is an sshd thing |
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| 07:30.52 | peterrus | dfa001, no, that makes no sense in this case |
| 07:31.03 | peterrus | I will just stick to a anounced password then |
| 07:31.08 | peterrus | brb |
| 07:31.17 | cheshire314 | EdLin: i see... i guess it's quite a hard struggle for life... (and what about debian, or linux in general?) |
| 07:31.24 | hark | cheshire314: do they require them? there's no mention of that? Does aptitude ask for a key? |
| 07:31.32 | EdLin | cheshire314: we have several LUGs here. |
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| 07:32.49 | cheshire314 | hark: my apt-get complains a little if i don't feed him with authenticated packages... and i've always been a little bit paranoyd in this kind of things :-) |
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| 07:34.24 | hark | cheshire314: ah, i see now |
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| 07:37.49 | en1gma | when picking linux-images does a p4 with HT = smp |
| 07:38.18 | hark | they're all smp enabled now |
| 07:38.34 | hark | (for etch and greater) |
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| 07:39.01 | en1gma | ohh ok |
| 07:39.09 | en1gma | there still listed seperate in etch though |
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| 07:40.17 | hark | that's a transitional package probably |
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| 07:40.31 | wedgeV | does the netinst come with ipw3945 drivers? |
| 07:40.37 | hark | no |
| 07:41.04 | Vasistha | huh, that used to be my street address -- 3945 michael ave |
| 07:41.14 | hark | but it's pretty easy to install them once you get the base (if you can mange a net connection for a few minutes :)) |
| 07:41.28 | Vasistha | manage "without" a net connection? :) |
| 07:42.04 | hark | no,i mean to download the drivers once the netinst base is installed :) |
| 07:42.33 | hark | use ethernet or something for a while |
| 07:43.41 | hark | wedgeV: /msg dpkg ipw3945 |
| 07:44.13 | wedgeV | ok, thanks! |
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| 07:45.03 | dutchfish | has 2.6.20 and/or the new libc6 migrated to lenny yet? |
| 07:45.13 | Vasistha | !p.d.o |
| 07:45.13 | dpkg | it has been said that search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see ... |
| 07:46.10 | dutchfish | i have no running lenny atm |
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| 07:47.18 | hark | packages.debian.org/libc6 or /msg dpkg info libc6 lenny :) |
| 07:47.26 | wedgeV | is it a good idea to install amd64? i suppose flash etc. are still broken for 64bit |
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| 07:47.41 | hark | it's not broken, just not available |
| 07:48.18 | dutchfish | hark, thx |
| 07:48.26 | wedgeV | any other major stuff missing from amd64? |
| 07:49.00 | en1gma | at sun javas site there is a linux binary 1.6.0.1 availible why isnt this in etch |
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| 07:49.34 | k-man_ | whenever i run apt-get, it segfaults |
| 07:49.45 | EdLin | en1gma: etch is not updated except for security updates that can be backported to existing versions whenever possible. |
| 07:49.49 | k-man_ | killed by SIGSEGV |
| 07:49.54 | k-man_ | any ideas how to fix that |
| 07:49.55 | k-man_ | ? |
| 07:49.58 | ustunozgur | wedgeV, I think you can make it work by installing 32 bit ff and flash using chroot. |
| 07:50.01 | EdLin | en1gma: that's why it's the most stable major distro. |
| 07:50.14 | en1gma | i thought etch did get updated |
| 07:50.23 | EdLin | en1gma: security updates. |
| 07:50.26 | hark | it probably was added to sid after the etch freeze |
| 07:50.27 | en1gma | do i need to change "etch" in source links to "lenny" |
| 07:50.48 | wedgeV | ok |
| 07:50.55 | en1gma | i thought etch is final like sarge 3.1 was |
| 07:51.18 | ustunozgur | !etch->lenny |
| 07:51.19 | dpkg | Edit your sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. |
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| 07:51.43 | hark | en1gma: as i said, it's the current stable release |
| 07:51.52 | hark | en1gma: /msg dpkg releases |
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| 07:51.55 | en1gma | ok i get it |
| 07:51.57 | EdLin | en1gma: Sarge, and versions of stable before them, were no different - stable means *stable*, as in unchanging except for security. |
| 07:51.57 | en1gma | thanks |
| 07:52.51 | EdLin | en1gma: incidentally, considering how much flux happens soon after a release, you probably don't want to run lenny or sid right now... |
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| 07:53.43 | en1gma | how often is stable to stable releases |
| 07:53.45 | en1gma | about |
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| 07:54.00 | dutchfish | maybe use backports (backports.org) |
| 07:54.10 | EdLin | en1gma: several years usually, though they're trying to speed things up to 18 months. |
| 07:54.16 | Vasistha | en1gma: maybe 2 years, but they're aiming to shorten it. woody->sarge was 3 years. |
| 07:54.43 | en1gma | ok i got to have lenny that settles that :) |
| 07:54.56 | Vasistha | why? the software in etch is great. |
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| 07:55.15 | EdLin | en1gma: if all you need is the latest java, you can use the java-package program to make your own debs. |
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| 07:55.18 | Vasistha | especially right now. right now, lenny is on the unstable side, and etch is rather new |
| 07:55.53 | Vasistha | etch right now is new enough that one can still report bugs, and not be laughed at by the developers for running such an old version ;) |
| 07:56.09 | siimo | lenny is quite sstable actually... not much has been imported from unstable yet |
| 07:56.14 | siimo | its mostly etch still |
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| 07:56.41 | peterrus | hey |
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| 07:56.55 | siimo | im still waiting for gtk 2.10.x to be imported into lenny :P |
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| 07:58.05 | peterrus | What do I need to put in the sudoers file to allow user 'addme' to run the adduser command, without entering its password. and no other commands, and with the NOEXEC option? |
| 07:58.06 | cokeslut | interest |
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| 07:59.16 | Vasistha | peterrus: I'm not sure, but have you consulted man sudoers ? |
| 07:59.33 | peterrus | Vasistha, yes, but I simply dont understand it hehe |
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| 07:59.43 | redduck666 | peterrus: addme ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/adduser |
| 07:59.53 | peterrus | Ah |
| 07:59.55 | peterrus | okay |
| 07:59.55 | redduck666 | (untested, from top of my headd) |
| 08:00.09 | peterrus | That looks good |
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| 08:04.02 | ustunozgur | how do I teach dpkg? "x is y" doesn't seem to work. |
| 08:04.38 | Vasistha | !x is y |
| 08:04.39 | dpkg | ...but x is already something else... |
| 08:04.45 | Vasistha | x |
| 08:04.48 | Vasistha | !x |
| 08:04.58 | Vasistha | interesting. maybe he's having trouble |
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| 08:05.22 | ustunozgur | I write things like x is y, but it doesn't seem to affect anything. Maybe some time is needed, or approval? |
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| 08:05.45 | |Zac| | Guten Morgen! |
| 08:05.45 | Vasistha | ustunozgur: it shouldn't be. but like I said, he may be having trouble. |
| 08:05.55 | Vasistha | Guten ... something. |
| 08:06.17 | Vasistha | ustunozgur: try it once in-channel? |
| 08:06.26 | peterrus | Gutenberg |
| 08:06.49 | ustunozgur | !install java is use update-java-alternatives to change default JDK and JRE. |
| 08:06.50 | dpkg | ...but install java is already something else... |
| 08:06.52 | |Zac| | *grin* oops - should be in #debian.de ... |
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| 08:07.12 | |Zac| | bit to early this monring ... |
| 08:07.16 | Vasistha | !install java |
| 08:07.16 | dpkg | [install java] First, read <java licensing>. Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". if you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main), the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about <java-package> or install the sun-java5-jdk package from non-free if you're using etch/sid. |
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| 08:08.04 | ustunozgur | !install java is Use update-java-alternatives to change default JDK and JRE. |
| 08:08.04 | dpkg | ...but install java is already something else... |
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| 08:08.14 | |Zac| | bye |
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| 08:08.26 | ustunozgur | maybe I need to add "also". |
| 08:08.28 | Vasistha | ustunozgur: no, you see, it's already programmed, you can't just overwrite it like that -- and the factoid is already good. |
| 08:08.54 | ustunozgur | I don't want to overwrite it, I want to append it. |
| 08:08.56 | Vasistha | yeah, that works -- !install java is also use update-java-alternatives to change ... |
| 08:09.04 | Vasistha | but it might be too long :P |
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| 08:09.28 | ustunozgur | !install java is also use update-java-alternatives to change default JDK and JRE. |
| 08:09.28 | dpkg | ustunozgur: that's too long |
| 08:09.37 | ustunozgur | lol |
| 08:10.07 | Vasistha | ustunozgur: so now you get to try to shorten the whole thing :P just bring the whole thing into a little text editor and shorten it. You can overwrite with !no, install java is such-and-such |
| 08:10.11 | tarzeau | ustunozgur: sen hic uyumiyomursun? |
| 08:10.35 | ustunozgur | abi odevim var, uyandım iste. :) |
| 08:10.49 | Vasistha | ustunozgur: for example, "(needs a contrib source)" could be shortened to (in contrib) |
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| 08:11.26 | ustunozgur | OK, thanks Vasistha |
| 08:11.46 | Vasistha | czech? |
| 08:12.53 | ustunozgur | turkish |
| 08:13.14 | Vasistha | now that's a language I've *never* been exposed to ... I suppose I can no longer say that now :) |
| 08:15.07 | ustunozgur | \mg dpkg Vasistha :) and you are from? |
| 08:15.18 | ustunozgur | \msg dpkg Vasistha :) and you are from? |
| 08:15.19 | Vasistha | los angeles |
| 08:15.30 | rahul | whenever she is raging, she takes all life away |
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| 08:15.39 | ustunozgur | I thought you were from India. |
| 08:15.55 | rahul | haven't you seen... haven't you seen? the ruins .. of our .... world |
| 08:16.13 | Vasistha | well, it's an Indian name, but I am not Indian... I adopted the nick after reading Vasistha's Yoga, one of the Hindu texts |
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| 08:17.46 | en1gma | what do i need to type in kpackage to get the win32codecs |
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| 08:18.12 | en1gma | like is there one option i can do to get everything all at once |
| 08:18.47 | hark | aptitude install vlc? ;) |
| 08:19.00 | hark | it's w32codecs btw |
| 08:19.13 | peterrus | en1gma, sudo apt-get install w32codecs |
| 08:19.15 | hark | !w32codecs |
| 08:19.15 | dpkg | w32codecs is probably a non-free package that is not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. The package provides codecs for several multimedia formats, such as AVI, Realmedia, and Windows Media. To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia> |
| 08:19.16 | en1gma | vlc gets all the codecs nessesary? |
| 08:19.21 | peterrus | You need the right repository though |
| 08:19.28 | peterrus | en1gma, I dont know |
| 08:19.31 | peterrus | but my way should wordk |
| 08:19.31 | en1gma | ahhhh |
| 08:19.33 | peterrus | work |
| 08:19.35 | en1gma | ok |
| 08:19.37 | en1gma | i listening |
| 08:19.49 | peterrus | en1gma, you need the following entry in your sources.list |
| 08:19.50 | hark | !vlc |
| 08:19.50 | dpkg | i guess vlc is the VideoLAN Client. It's a MPEG2 client/server program for broadcasting. It can also be used standalone as an normal MPEG2/DVD player. See http://www.videolan.org, or apt-gettable. |
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| 08:20.18 | peterrus | en1gma, |
| 08:20.20 | peterrus | deb http://debian-multimedia.org/ lenny main |
| 08:20.22 | en1gma | i listening |
| 08:20.23 | en1gma | ok |
| 08:20.26 | peterrus | or etch main if you use that |
| 08:20.29 | en1gma | im using etch |
| 08:20.30 | en1gma | shiat |
| 08:20.36 | peterrus | deb http://debian-multimedia.org/ etch main |
| 08:20.37 | en1gma | but i switching to lenny maybe |
| 08:20.40 | en1gma | ok |
| 08:20.42 | peterrus | doesnt matter |
| 08:20.44 | peterrus | do this |
| 08:20.47 | peterrus | then apt-get update |
| 08:20.54 | peterrus | and then apt-get install w32codecs |
| 08:21.17 | en1gma | do i need to install vlc first? |
| 08:21.22 | en1gma | or after i do that |
| 08:21.30 | peterrus | en1gma, only if you want to use vlc |
| 08:21.35 | peterrus | I just use kaboodle |
| 08:21.41 | en1gma | i like vlc |
| 08:21.44 | peterrus | kay |
| 08:21.44 | hark | en1gma: no, that was just a suggestion |
| 08:22.00 | en1gma | but i need to know if i need to do it first before i install the w32codecs |
| 08:22.02 | peterrus | en1gma, well, you can always install that, but first, make those codccs working |
| 08:22.08 | en1gma | ok |
| 08:22.09 | peterrus | en1gma, no, you dont |
| 08:22.49 | ustunozgur | vlc and w32codecs are not related AFAIK. |
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| 08:24.04 | en1gma | oh shiat |
| 08:24.13 | en1gma | which player works with the codecs |
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| 08:24.28 | en1gma | i kind of want to just use one media player that does everything |
| 08:24.33 | ustunozgur | vlc |
| 08:24.46 | ustunozgur | vlc only doesn't play real media. |
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| 08:25.22 | en1gma | i never liked real audio :) |
| 08:25.43 | peterrus | Someone here can help me with the sudoers file? |
| 08:25.51 | peterrus | Defaults env_reset |
| 08:25.51 | peterrus | Defaults mailto=("bla@bla.com") |
| 08:25.51 | peterrus | Defaults:mail_always true |
| 08:25.52 | peterrus | Defaults:log_host true |
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| 08:25.57 | peterrus | hmm |
| 08:26.02 | Vasistha | !paster |
| 08:26.02 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 08:26.06 | peterrus | well, thats all, now the problem is |
| 08:26.18 | peterrus | it gives synthax errors |
| 08:26.30 | peterrus | But I have no idea how to fix these |
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| 08:29.00 | peterrus | Well |
| 08:29.04 | peterrus | check the paste |
| 08:29.04 | peterrus | http://rafb.net/p/J0tIsR92.html |
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| 08:30.08 | enouf | Shorty5: over here .. |
| 08:30.24 | en1gma | do the source repositories really need added (you know where you actually get the actual source" |
| 08:30.25 | enouf | !tell shorty -about msg the bot |
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| 08:30.33 | enouf | !tell Shorty5 -about msg the bot |
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| 08:30.50 | enouf | !tell Shorty5 -about grounding |
| 08:30.56 | en1gma | do you know what i mean |
| 08:31.08 | en1gma | the binary repos are what we really use isnt it |
| 08:31.11 | en1gma | not the source |
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| 08:32.05 | ustunozgur | source repos are for compiling (for backporting) |
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| 08:32.52 | Vasistha | en1gma: most of us mostly use the binaries. But, sometimes you want to get a source. So, you can. |
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| 08:32.56 | peterrus | en1gma, not really, if you dont use them |
| 08:33.11 | en1gma | well i got 256mb mem and kpackage is killing all of it |
| 08:33.21 | en1gma | i think if i uncheck those source ones it might help |
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| 08:34.19 | EdLin | en1gma: I doubt it. try using aptitude or apt-get. |
| 08:35.06 | en1gma | well im pretty good in console thats no problem for me...but i got a windows noob right here buy my side shaking his head going do i really have to do all that |
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| 08:35.21 | en1gma | so hes staying in kpackage for the moment :) |
| 08:35.25 | EdLin | en1gma: I don't know about memory usage - try synaptic. |
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| 08:35.36 | en1gma | im in kde |
| 08:35.43 | en1gma | it cant use synaptic can it |
| 08:35.46 | EdLin | en1gma: gtk+ apps work fine in KDE. |
| 08:35.51 | en1gma | ohhhh |
| 08:35.52 | en1gma | nice |
| 08:35.59 | Vasistha | en1gma: synaptic is great. I use kde and I much prefer synaptic. |
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| 08:36.26 | Vasistha | en1gma: but yes -- taking out any and all unnecessary sources out of sources.list will speed up your package management |
| 08:36.34 | EdLin | zsh's debian packaging database support is what rocks. :-) |
| 08:36.43 | en1gma | yea it is nice |
| 08:37.02 | en1gma | thats what sets it apart from other distros in my book |
| 08:38.16 | EdLin | en1gma: what I like about Debian is that you can make it anything you want, and basic configuration tasks are automated. |
| 08:38.17 | mrfan | terminal rox |
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| 08:38.49 | EdLin | mrfan: I don't like xfce's "terminal", it doesn't support GNU screen well. |
| 08:39.03 | en1gma | debian is nice cause everything you dloaded is supported to |
| 08:39.04 | EdLin | mrfan: rox is OK though. |
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| 08:39.14 | en1gma | there is always a pkg for it |
| 08:39.28 | mrfan | EdLim, :D |
| 08:39.42 | EdLin | mrfan: ;-) |
| 08:40.04 | siimo | xfce terminal rocks |
| 08:40.18 | EdLin | siimo: it'd be nice if it wasn't broken wrt screen. |
| 08:40.26 | siimo | not broken for me |
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| 08:41.01 | EdLin | at any rate, I'm not running XFCE at the moment. |
| 08:41.32 | EdLin | though I admit its OK. |
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| 08:45.04 | Shorty5 | enouf: im installing win98 no problem, i wonder why linux wont install |
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| 08:45.40 | EdLin | Shorty5: because you have no clue. |
| 08:46.51 | Shorty5 | EdLin: i got quite a bit of help here, and i thank them for trying to help me out, but still can not install linux, not because i dont have a clue |
| 08:47.17 | EdLin | Shorty5: you need to give us more information than "wont install" |
| 08:47.32 | schme | Shorty5: Is it just Debian GNU/Linux that "won't install" or is it others too? |
| 08:47.41 | schme | and yes.. what is "won't install" :) |
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| 08:48.20 | Shorty5 | i have suse linux 10.1, all 5 cds, it just won't install, it boots up to where it askes you different types of installations such as linux, noacpi, etc |
| 08:48.41 | schme | Shorty5: What does the Debian install do? |
| 08:49.00 | Shorty5 | then it goes into a blank screen...i just realized im in the wrong chatroom lol |
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| 08:49.21 | schme | Indeed.. good luck with all that. |
| 08:50.14 | Shorty5 | but yeah, that's the problem im having, tried everything, but still can't get suse linux to install |
| 08:50.24 | EdLin | !suse |
| 08:50.24 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, suse is a linux distribution that can be found at http://www.suse.com, or german, open source, *nix. . . you do the math. the root of all that is wrong and evil, or #suse, or see http://www.omahns-home.co.uk/downloads/sles9.png |
| 08:50.28 | hark | try debian? |
| 08:50.38 | en1gma | if ive been using kpackage all this time to install pkgs if i install synaptic will it remove those pkgs ok if i told it to |
| 08:51.18 | valdyn | en1gma: no |
| 08:51.24 | valdyn | en1gma: err, yes |
| 08:51.26 | hark | yes |
| 08:51.30 | schme | Shorty5: Yeah. You really should be asking in #suse, but try downloading a Debian netinstall image and see if that boots. If that won't work.. well try some others. And maybe one of the BSDs. :) |
| 08:52.08 | en1gma | kool |
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| 08:52.27 | schme | EdLin: I thought it was the best one ever. |
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| 08:52.42 | schme | All in all an easier install than Debian even. |
| 08:52.42 | EdLin | schme: well, its powerful I suppose. |
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| 08:52.53 | Shorty5 | somebody did recommend debian, but the problem is that the computer i want to install linux on has no OS on it, does not have a dvd burner, nor my laptop, no blank cds, no usb drive either, so im left with the only linux i have on hand is suse linux cds |
| 08:52.56 | EdLin | schme: if you're making it the only thing on your hard-drive it's easy. |
| 08:53.08 | schme | Most horrible one I've seen was hrm... Either it was SuSE or Mandriva. |
| 08:53.11 | valdyn | !rube goldberg install |
| 08:53.12 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
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| 08:53.36 | schme | Shorty5: floppy drive? |
| 08:54.01 | Shorty5 | schme: i do have a floppy drive |
| 08:54.05 | EdLin | schme: NetBSD had a nice installer. |
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| 08:54.30 | schme | EdLin: had .. ? They have changed it? |
| 08:54.35 | Shorty5 | but also the computer is an older box, p2 dell optiplex gx400 |
| 08:54.37 | EdLin | schme: sorry, has. |
| 08:54.40 | LeVA | hi |
| 08:54.42 | EdLin | schme: AFAIK. |
| 08:54.51 | LeVA | how can I check which packages were installed from experimental? |
| 08:55.06 | valdyn | LeVA: you cant |
| 08:55.13 | LeVA | cool |
| 08:55.13 | tarzeau | valdyn: sure you can |
| 08:55.21 | LeVA | even better :) |
| 08:55.37 | LeVA | would you tell me how? |
| 08:55.38 | schme | Shorty5: http://ftp.egr.msu.edu/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current//images/floppy/ |
| 08:55.40 | EdLin | !tarzeau++ |
| 08:55.59 | schme | EdLin: Arrgh. |
| 08:56.18 | tarzeau | LeVA: zgrep experimental /usr/share/doc/*/changelog.Debian.gz |
| 08:56.23 | schme | EdLin: Speaking of installers I have read/heard that the Debian installer has been changed. Is the new one any good? |
| 08:56.23 | EdLin | schme: what's wrong? |
| 08:56.40 | EdLin | schme: the new one is good, IMHO. |
| 08:56.42 | tarzeau | oh wait |
| 08:56.45 | schme | EdLin: NetBSD changing their installer :) |
| 08:56.55 | EdLin | schme: now? |
| 08:57.00 | schme | huh. |
| 08:57.04 | schme | Wow the confusion. |
| 08:57.07 | schme | :D |
| 08:57.12 | EdLin | schme: the new Debian installer. |
| 08:57.17 | schme | EdLin: Oh you said HAS. |
| 08:57.19 | EdLin | schme: the old NetBSD installer |
| 08:57.21 | LeVA | tarzeau: interesting :) great, thanks! |
| 08:57.29 | EdLin | schme: and the current one, AFAIK |
| 08:57.43 | EdLin | schme: clear as mud? |
| 08:57.44 | tarzeau | LeVA: only check the first line of all those file |
| 08:57.47 | schme | Yes. |
| 08:57.47 | tarzeau | +s |
| 08:57.53 | schme | Perfectly mud clear. |
| 08:58.16 | Shorty5 | schme: checking out the link you gave me |
| 08:58.51 | Shorty5 | schme: do i download all those img files and put them on floppies? |
| 08:59.16 | enouf | !ig |
| 08:59.17 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
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| 08:59.22 | warren_ | oin #debian |
| 08:59.34 | warren_ | oups |
| 08:59.38 | tarzeau | LeVA: that's better zgrep -n experimental /usr/share/doc/*/changelog.Debian.gz | grep :1: |
| 08:59.40 | enouf | Shorty5: follow the instructions in the installation guide |
| 08:59.40 | warren_ | hello everybody! |
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| 09:00.53 | schme | Shorty5: Of course you will be needing net access on the machine you are installing it on. |
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| 09:01.43 | Shorty5 | schme: oooh there's no net access on the computer im installing linux on |
| 09:01.57 | enouf | Shorty5: do /topic , and then /msg dpkg branch .. you want Etch 4.0r0 which is the "Stable" branch now .. sarge is oldstable now |
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| 09:02.46 | EdLin | Shorty5: no net access? no cd? then you probably want slackware's floppies, either that or putting pins in your cheeks. |
| 09:03.12 | enouf | Shorty5: i guess you picked the wrong distro 5 CD set .. eh? .. unless, you still have some funky hardware settings issues |
| 09:03.26 | schme | Shorty5: Well huh.. only thing you'd be getting out of the boot floppies then is to see if the kernel actually boots. |
| 09:03.51 | schme | Slackware still has floppy sets? (: |
| 09:03.52 | Shorty5 | EdLin: the computer has no OS on it to begin with, and have suse linux 10.1 when it came out in final stage |
| 09:04.00 | EdLin | schme: for now. |
| 09:04.13 | schme | Must be like 600 of 'em :) |
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| 09:04.27 | EdLin | schme: Pat's uncertain about putting the kernel onto a boot floppy now. |
| 09:04.40 | EdLin | schme: (for the upcoming version) |
| 09:05.04 | EdLin | Shorty5: read "rube goldberg install" again. ;-) |
| 09:05.12 | enouf | Shorty5: here's an option .. install win98, then grab the iso from http://goodbye-windows.com ;-) |
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| 09:05.37 | nomad_cz | Hi from Czech Rep. ;) |
| 09:05.45 | EdLin | !enouf++ |
| 09:06.28 | EdLin | nomad_cz: #debian, where you check in but don't check out. |
| 09:06.45 | Shorty5 | enouf: okay i'll try that *crosses fingers* |
| 09:06.58 | nomad_cz | EdLin: I am aware of it ;) |
| 09:06.59 | Vasistha | Shorty5: I think that was a joke! |
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| 09:07.20 | tarzeau | damn my indigo2 has no serial console, and i don't have a 13w3 adapter |
| 09:07.20 | EdLin | Vasistha: there's really a goodbye-windows.com that does that. |
| 09:07.22 | schme | enouf: That won't work with the goodbye-windows. There is no net access on the machine so net install won't work :) |
| 09:07.24 | warren_ | does someone know a icon theme similar to ubuntu human? |
| 09:07.34 | tarzeau | tries to install the smaller alpha workstation, that has vga at least |
| 09:07.39 | Vasistha | EdLin: I know, but ... uh, didn't realize he was serious |
| 09:07.43 | enouf | schme: well hopefully he can get it some ;-) |
| 09:07.46 | Shorty5 | arghhh where did my friend keep his win98 serial number :s |
| 09:07.52 | enouf | Shorty5: does that PC have a NIC? |
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| 09:08.33 | EdLin | Shorty5: or a modem of any kind? |
| 09:08.41 | ustunozgur | warren_, tango |
| 09:08.57 | warren_ | ok |
| 09:08.59 | enouf | Shorty5: i wrote all mine right on the CD with a sharpey ;-) , but remember to jot it onto paper before installing, otherwise the numbers are stck in the drive , on the media ..lol |
| 09:09.32 | Vasistha | Shorty5: Do you have a usb flash drive that you could use to transfer data from one computer to the other? |
| 09:09.34 | EdLin | enouf: felt tip pens work better |
| 09:09.36 | warren_ | thanks, is nice :) |
| 09:09.49 | enouf | EdLin: i know, but i'm lazy ;-) |
| 09:09.50 | EdLin | but it's been a long time since I did that.... |
| 09:09.50 | Shorty5 | enouf: i dont think there's a nic |
| 09:10.13 | Shorty5 | vasistha: i wish i had it with me but i left it at home (in another city) |
| 09:10.31 | enouf | Shorty5: you should buy a $15 NIC,m as any modem in there, is likely a winmodem pos |
| 09:10.53 | EdLin | Shorty5: an externel modem would work though, assuming you have a serial port. |
| 09:11.00 | Shorty5 | enouf: why should i buy a nic? its not my computer lol |
| 09:11.02 | PingFloyd_ | but does he have broadband is the bigger question |
| 09:11.13 | enouf | Shorty5: though, you might be able to make it work .. you;ll need some net access eventually, i would think |
| 09:11.23 | enouf | Shorty5: tell your friend tpo |
| 09:11.54 | EdLin | yeah, broadband is cheap in most developed nations. |
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| 09:12.12 | Shorty5 | it looks like he took out the nic, cuz i remember last year he had a nic card in the computer |
| 09:12.33 | Shorty5 | unfortunately my friend has gone to bed and all his extra computer parts are in his room |
| 09:12.44 | EdLin | !rube goldberg install |
| 09:12.44 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 09:12.52 | EdLin | bears repeating |
| 09:12.57 | enouf | indeed |
| 09:12.59 | Vasistha | Shorty5: maybe you should just do this in the morning? |
| 09:13.14 | hark | heh |
| 09:13.36 | Shorty5 | its 5am, its already morning lol |
| 09:14.20 | Shorty5 | let me check his other junk computer that's sitting in the corner |
| 09:14.39 | PingFloyd_ | just pick the computer up and drop it on your friend's head |
| 09:14.40 | EdLin | "a love supreme, a love supreme, a love supreme, supreme supreme" |
| 09:15.06 | Shorty5 | well well found a network card |
| 09:15.33 | enouf | does anyone here recall if a Dell p2 optiplex ~circa 1998, would need a certain special boot parameter? i wonder where to even search for that .. older install docs? wiki.debian.org? google? all of the above :-P |
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| 09:15.55 | Vasistha | enouf: I know that dell has horrible bioses... |
| 09:16.07 | PingFloyd_ | Vasistha: don't all dells? |
| 09:16.20 | Vasistha | I should have used plurals .. or .. different .. numbers |
| 09:16.22 | Vasistha | I need to sleep. |
| 09:16.28 | enouf | Vasistha: and back then .. horribly proprietary PSUs and Mobo connectors |
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| 09:17.07 | PingFloyd_ | enouf: they're just slightly less proprietary these days, but still the same amount of horrible |
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| 09:17.47 | Shorty5 | so now what happens if i have the network card, .....hold on, the p2 was just sitting at the product key part of win98 setup when the screen just got all screwy |
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| 09:18.13 | EdLin | Shorty5: here's a nickle kid, get yourself a real computer. |
| 09:18.19 | enouf | PingFloyd_: i' wouldn't buy one ;-) |
| 09:18.38 | Shorty5 | its not my computer lol |
| 09:18.57 | Vasistha | Shorty5: hmm. what I would do is this: get Tom's Root Boot disk; boot with that; make a partition; install grub; get the files for a hard-drive-install; and go! |
| 09:18.59 | EdLin | Shorty5: then buy your friend a present. |
| 09:18.59 | Vasistha | !hd-media |
| 09:18.59 | dpkg | To install debian without any removable media read this: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s05.html.en You can get the vmlinuz and initrd.gz from here: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ (note these are for etch on i386) |
| 09:19.00 | Shorty5 | my friend is on permanent disability so he can't afford a decent computer |
| 09:19.26 | PingFloyd_ | you should be able to just do all that from the installer |
| 09:19.39 | enouf | Shorty5: run memtest on there .. i wonder if your knuckleball friend previously oc/ed the CPU and/or RAM somehow, or ruined it trying to .. |
| 09:19.48 | Vasistha | PingFloyd_: are there floppy installers for etch? |
| 09:20.07 | PingFloyd_ | Vasistha: afaik, I know there is one for sid and sarge for sure |
| 09:20.26 | Shorty5 | enouf: i should have tried that a long time ago lol |
| 09:20.34 | PingFloyd_ | a set of 5 floppies |
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| 09:20.50 | PingFloyd_ | both work like a charm too |
| 09:20.57 | Vasistha | enouf: well, you've got to be able to *boot* in order to run a mem test :P |
| 09:21.16 | Vasistha | PingFloyd_: ahh. see... I'm inclined towards the one-floppy solution rather than the 5-floppy solution :D |
| 09:21.25 | enouf | schme: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s01.html.en |
| 09:21.32 | Shorty5 | i think the computer is in its last days |
| 09:21.34 | Vasistha | PingFloyd_: of course, if the 5-floppy solution is *easier* ... that's probably the way to go |
| 09:21.41 | Shorty5 | now its not starting up |
| 09:21.43 | enouf | Vasistha: supposedly the suse cds do that |
| 09:21.57 | enouf | vaplus memtest86+ is available on flioppy |
| 09:22.00 | EdLin | Shorty5: take it out back and shoot it. |
| 09:22.03 | enouf | er Vasistha |
| 09:22.25 | Vasistha | Shorty5: heh, maybe that's why he took the network card *out* :) |
| 09:22.31 | enouf | EdLin: i like the "dig a deep hole in the yard, and bury it after creaming it with a sledgehammer" ;-) |
| 09:22.53 | PingFloyd_ | I wouldn't be surprised if memory ended up being the whole source of problems |
| 09:22.59 | Shorty5 | the network card is not even in the computer yet |
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| 09:23.46 | EdLin | I wouldn't even bother with memtest, what are you going to do, find RAM for proprietary SIMMs from 1998? |
| 09:24.15 | enouf | Shorty5: you did say over in ##linux that the win95/98 installation proceeded along as usual (when we were trying to se if the HDD even worked at all) |
| 09:24.29 | PingFloyd_ | crazy, they even used proprietary memory modules back then? |
| 09:24.43 | enouf | EdLin: i got my pc100/133 DIMMs here ;-P |
| 09:24.45 | EdLin | PingFloyd_: I could be wrong, but I think so. |
| 09:24.53 | PingFloyd_ | it wouldn't surprise me |
| 09:24.59 | enouf | wow .. those too? shit |
| 09:25.02 | PingFloyd_ | if they did |
| 09:25.04 | Shorty5 | enouf: but i couldn't get past the product key cuz i didn't have the product key on hand, my friend has it...somewhere in his apartment |
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| 09:25.21 | EdLin | PingFloyd_: there definitely *are* proprietary SIMMs that long ago. |
| 09:25.29 | PingFloyd_ | personally, I think a Dell is the last computer to buy |
| 09:25.37 | enouf | Shorty5: the product key doesn't come till way later usually .. is that what happens here? |
| 09:25.46 | PingFloyd_ | for many many reasons |
| 09:26.06 | enouf | er happened* |
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| 09:26.15 | Shorty5 | i was installing win98, going thru the setup process, then a window comes up with the product key asking to input the serial key in the boxes |
| 09:26.22 | omri | what's the job of /etc/alternatives? |
| 09:26.37 | hark | /msg dpkg alternatives |
| 09:26.39 | Shorty5 | this is the original win98, not se |
| 09:26.40 | ustunozgur | google windows 98 product key |
| 09:26.41 | Vasistha | PingFloyd_: the thing about dells, is there are so many cheap-cheap used ones around. think $75 for a p4 1.8 GHz and all of a sudden there's a reason to buy a dell |
| 09:26.47 | valdyn | !alternatives |
| 09:26.47 | dpkg | i heard alternatives is the way Debian manages multiple applications with the same function. For more info, man update-alternatives. |
| 09:26.48 | enouf | Shorty5: by that time, you should've been rebooted 1x or 2x already |
| 09:26.54 | omri | thanks |
| 09:27.00 | Shorty5 | enouf: havent rebooted yet |
| 09:27.25 | PingFloyd_ | Vasistha: for that, it's kind of different though, since you're probably going to just salvage the half-way decent components |
| 09:27.36 | PingFloyd_ | and trash the rest |
| 09:28.07 | Shorty5 | but i cancelled the setup, so i can shut the computer down to install the nic, then the screen went very light blue before shutting down |
| 09:28.12 | omri | cool. |
| 09:28.18 | enouf | what a mess .. |
| 09:28.30 | valdyn | omri: which program is really started when running one of for example 'editor,x-www-browser' is managed by alternatives |
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| 09:28.46 | omri | yes I understood, cool :) |
| 09:28.51 | Vasistha | PingFloyd_: well, I don't really have any spare parts, so I've used the awful things intact... what a nightmare, though. I'll think twice before I buy any more of them, no matter how cheap! |
| 09:28.55 | enouf | simmerz: maybe even your Suse CDs are damaged |
| 09:29.01 | enouf | Shorty5: |
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| 09:29.15 | omri | tell me, to replace gnome from being the default X session, all I have to do is change the x-window-session symlink in /etc/alternatives from /usr/bin/gnome-session to /usr/bin/xfce4-session ? |
| 09:29.24 | PingFloyd_ | Vasistha: that's not a bad route to go for cannibalizing parts |
| 09:29.25 | enouf | but get Debian anyways .. return next week, with good known burned CDs ;-) |
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| 09:29.32 | valdyn | omri: dont do this |
| 09:29.33 | Shorty5 | enouf: yeah i know, before it went light blue, i was typing a message then i noticed out of the corner of my eye the screen turned pink/purple/blue/green squares all over the screen |
| 09:29.35 | enouf | and armed with amny other tools |
| 09:29.35 | EdLin | omri: run update-alternatives --config foo |
| 09:29.38 | enouf | many |
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| 09:29.50 | valdyn | omri: use the program 'update-alternatives' or the GUI galternatives |
| 09:29.55 | EdLin | Shorty5: cool, colors man. |
| 09:29.58 | omri | oh, cool! |
| 09:30.27 | omri | hmm, what's the X session manager? |
| 09:31.04 | Vasistha | omri: /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 09:31.04 | valdyn | omri: xsm,gnome-session that's 2 session managers |
| 09:31.17 | omri | look |
| 09:31.18 | valdyn | mm, that is something else |
| 09:31.22 | omri | *+ 1 /usr/bin/gnome-session |
| 09:31.22 | omri | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:31.23 | Vasistha | omri: wait, I don't think that was the answer to your question ... but there you go, anyway |
| 09:31.25 | omri | I have these two... |
| 09:31.35 | EdLin | omri: nu, pick the one you want. |
| 09:31.38 | Shorty5 | well now the computer decides to boot up |
| 09:31.45 | omri | I'm asking what's the job of the session manager ... |
| 09:31.51 | valdyn | omri: pick one you want BUT it may not matter if you run a predefined session anyway |
| 09:31.55 | EdLin | omri: to fire up a desktop |
| 09:31.58 | omri | what would happen if I run XFCE4 with GNOME session manager |
| 09:32.06 | jelly-home | you can't |
| 09:32.09 | EdLin | omri: it wouldn't work right probably |
| 09:32.14 | Shorty5 | doing the memtest |
| 09:32.26 | valdyn | omri: you cant really do that. Well, you could, but mixing the alternatives you are looking at does not do that |
| 09:32.29 | omri | the session manager fires up everything? |
| 09:32.43 | jelly-home | omri: the session manager starts the rest of the DE I think |
| 09:32.47 | hark | omri: man gnome-session man xfce4-session |
| 09:32.53 | Vasistha | Shorty5: well, you *could* sleep now ... after watching it go a little while ... basically, the longer you let it run, the more accurate the results should be |
| 09:33.00 | valdyn | omri: normally the session manager will also keep track of started programs and save this state |
| 09:33.10 | omri | I see. thanks |
| 09:33.23 | omri | Vasistha, that's not relevant for me, I'm using XDM |
| 09:33.35 | EdLin | omri: xdm is not a session manager. |
| 09:33.37 | Shorty5 | how long should it run for? |
| 09:33.47 | valdyn | omri: using the gnome X session, the alternative for session manager does not affect anything |
| 09:33.48 | hark | a few days ;) |
| 09:33.48 | omri | EdLim, he told me to change /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 09:34.01 | Vasistha | I'm giving useless advice. time for bed. |
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| 09:34.17 | omri | how long has the alternatives system existsed? |
| 09:34.18 | EdLin | omri: well, he was wrong. :) |
| 09:34.29 | valdyn | long |
| 09:34.37 | valdyn | uh, more than 5 years |
| 09:34.43 | EdLin | I remember it in Woody, it could be older |
| 09:34.49 | valdyn | its not debian specific either |
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| 09:34.52 | nomad_cz | Bloody hell. It seems our country was the last in eurosong contest ;)) |
| 09:35.06 | Shorty5 | eep, is memtest really necessary? |
| 09:35.06 | Fahrenheit | Hello everybody, I'm running gnome 2.18 on Debian sid, every time I reboot I have to turn on the sound, isn't there any way to tell gnome to remember the sound configuration ? |
| 09:35.06 | EdLin | yeah, Red Hat picked it up |
| 09:35.07 | EdLin | Debian was first with alternatives though. |
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| 09:35.17 | omri | Fahrenheit, that's not a gnome issue. you're having alsa difficulties |
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| 09:35.23 | valdyn | Fahrenheit: you should install linux-sound-base |
| 09:35.37 | Fahrenheit | omri : you think ? I'v got sound |
| 09:35.51 | hark | Fahrenheit: install alsa-utils |
| 09:35.57 | Fahrenheit | valdyn : ok I wil;l try |
| 09:35.58 | EdLin | Shorty5: well, considering that if there's something wrong it may be difficult to do something about it, I'd reccomend just junking that computer. |
| 09:36.00 | omri | do what valdyn told you, it probably has the package & service that "remembers" your volume states |
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| 09:36.38 | valdyn | linux-sound-base installs the whole userspace infrastructure. Sound can work fine without it, but there would be no infrastructure to save settings etc |
| 09:36.56 | Shorty5 | yeah, its already at Pass 6% |
| 09:37.23 | hark | yes, alsa-utils handles that part (the alsactl store thing) afaik |
| 09:37.31 | Fahrenheit | valdyn : ok thank you |
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| 09:38.13 | schme | omri: Good thinking. |
| 09:38.37 | omri | heh |
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| 09:39.07 | omri | heh, I've just ran half gnome half XFCE system |
| 09:39.10 | EdLin | omri: there's a good reason why the default color of Ubuntu is brown. |
| 09:39.19 | omri | probably didn't replace enough alternatives |
| 09:39.24 | Shorty5 | im gonna stay up as long as i can cuz i gotta get up early to catch the bus to go back to my parents house before they come home |
| 09:39.35 | omri | EdLim, heh, debian people don't really like ubuntu, don't they? :P |
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| 09:39.55 | EdLin | my nick's not EdLim |
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| 09:41.06 | EdLin | omri: Ubuntu represents a brain drain to an inferior product, and a source of annoying newbies. |
| 09:41.10 | schme | I don't like Ubuntu, and I don't dislike Ubuntu. |
| 09:41.39 | EdLin | if Ubuntu was as good as the hype, it'd be tolerable. its not. |
| 09:41.46 | schme | I think it's dumb in several ways. :) |
| 09:41.47 | omri | heh |
| 09:42.09 | schme | Marketing a hack upon unstable Debian as a good OS... sheesh. |
| 09:42.12 | omri | well, it's not that I don't know how to make things work right, it's just that I don't want to. |
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| 09:42.40 | omri | if you just want a _working_ system without messing with it too much, ubuntu is ok. |
| 09:42.53 | schme | Debian is OK for that too though. |
| 09:43.14 | EdLin | omri: that's the problem, Ubuntu promises that but doesn't deliver. |
| 09:43.21 | schme | I put ubuntu in the same bag as gentoo. The bag of stuff I just don't see the point of 'cause there already is debian. :) |
| 09:44.17 | omri | why not? it works pretty well |
| 09:44.17 | schme | I remember when I was dist-upgrading my dad's ubuntu.. from some version to some other. That did not "just work". Even if I followed the guides. |
| 09:44.17 | EdLin | yeah, gentoo not too long ago filled the same niche as ubuntu. hype-for-newbies-distro *oo-sound. |
| 09:44.18 | omri | heh, that's funny you're mentioning that, I used gentoo before ubuntu :] |
| 09:44.19 | omri | now I see the light. I use debian :) |
| 09:44.34 | omri | haha |
| 09:44.40 | omri | so I guess I'm a noob then :P |
| 09:44.54 | EdLin | omri: well, you know better now, so you're not a noob. |
| 09:44.54 | schme | Cools. That's the best spot to be in. So much to learn. |
| 09:45.02 | PingFloyd_ | all these hyped distros are nothing more than flavor of the week |
| 09:45.15 | hark | there's nothing wrong with someone running ubuntu |
| 09:45.19 | schme | In a few years you can migrate to being grumpy and pissing on everything that is not the way you do it ;) |
| 09:45.29 | EdLin | schme: yeah, I had a lot of fun when I was a newbie, but that was a long time ago - when Linux 0.95 was the kernel. |
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| 09:45.49 | PingFloyd_ | just get a good mainstream distro and get good with it. |
| 09:46.00 | schme | EdLin: Speaking of that.. I found someone seeding linux 0.99 on some torrent tracker. That's Just Dumb. >< |
| 09:46.11 | EdLin | schme: yeah, it is dumb. |
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| 09:46.52 | schme | Makes me wonder what the next amazing distro will be. |
| 09:46.58 | EdLin | schme: Debian |
| 09:47.06 | schme | :) |
| 09:47.26 | EdLin | schme: actually, my vote's for grml, but its practically Debian. ;-) |
| 09:47.26 | schme | What was that I heard about Dell. They are shipping ubuntu as an alternative to XP/Vista now? |
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| 09:47.39 | lipstick_ | any windows users here |
| 09:47.43 | lipstick_ | #windows is dead |
| 09:47.54 | schme | ... |
| 09:48.00 | Shorty5 | im currently on windows |
| 09:48.08 | EdLin | lipstick_: try a different irc network |
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| 09:48.15 | lipstick_ | how I could make a network interface dial each time windows starts? |
| 09:48.18 | schme | I swear the internet was better back in 1995. |
| 09:48.35 | valdyn | !they don't know |
| 09:48.36 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 09:48.36 | EdLin | schme: it was even better before AOL got on board. |
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| 09:49.11 | schme | My connection was not as fast.. but if you count in the fact that it wasn't filled up with so much garbage it probably was faster anyway. |
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| 09:49.24 | omri | ok, gnome applications don't work with esddsp for some reason. :( |
| 09:49.24 | schme | I have heard bad things about AOL, yes. |
| 09:49.42 | EdLin | schme: Usenet before AOL was actually use-ful. |
| 09:50.15 | valdyn | omri: switch off gnome sound, dont use esd |
| 09:50.16 | schme | Hehehehe. |
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| 09:50.35 | EdLin | schme: remember the first Usenet spam? The "Turkey" was particularly funny. |
| 09:50.36 | valdyn | omri: its just for annoying sounds when logging in or pressing buttons anyway |
| 09:50.43 | valdyn | omri: no 'app' needs this |
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| 09:50.55 | schme | EdLin: I do not, no :( |
| 09:51.12 | omri | valdyn, I'm using esddsp for "forwarding" OSS sounds to a remote computer with esd |
| 09:51.16 | omri | terminal server... |
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| 09:51.25 | valdyn | omri: ah, i see |
| 09:51.28 | EdLin | schme: it wasn't that bad then, there were like two spammers. |
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| 09:51.53 | schme | Oh. The reverse of now. 2 users, 123234243 spammers. |
| 09:51.54 | EdLin | schme: an immigration lawyer and a spam-bot from Turkey. |
| 09:52.06 | EdLin | schme: yep. |
| 09:52.41 | valdyn | omri: gnome apps all use gstreamer, which in turn has plenty output methods |
| 09:53.05 | omri | yes. but what about the applications that aren't gnome? I need all the applications to run with esddsp. |
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| 09:53.14 | omri | I think the problem is esddsp not being thread-safe |
| 09:53.27 | omri | the exceptions I've seen seem to be threads related |
| 09:53.39 | valdyn | omri: there is a handful of sound 'systems', all of which can be configured somewhere in /etc/foo |
| 09:53.54 | EdLin | omri: whoever invented sound daemons will be up against the wall when the revolution comes. |
| 09:53.57 | omri | hmm... esd seems to be what I need |
| 09:54.07 | EdLin | omri: how about jackd? |
| 09:54.10 | valdyn | omri: keep esd |
| 09:54.16 | valdyn | omri: im talking about the app side |
| 09:54.19 | omri | well, what do I do when I need to forward sounds to a remote thin client |
| 09:54.40 | omri | EdLin, can it "deliver" sound over network? |
| 09:55.10 | EdLin | omri: I think so. |
| 09:55.15 | EdLin | omri: if not, there's mpd. |
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| 09:55.28 | valdyn | jack probably not the solution to this as it needs more hacks to get many apps using it |
| 09:55.43 | valdyn | ( else its great, i suppose ) |
| 09:55.52 | omri | the thing that annoys me most is that LTSP have got it working :( |
| 09:56.11 | omri | with esddsp |
| 09:56.19 | omri | and I've even tried their script, which didn't work as well. |
| 09:56.27 | EdLin | omri: I saw a how-to guide for mpd over a network at linuxgazzette or somewhere. |
| 09:56.54 | valdyn | omri: do gstreamer apps use esd directly ( w/o esd ) and work ok? |
| 09:57.12 | omri | valdyn, yes |
| 09:57.21 | omri | maybe I should remove gstreamer esd support |
| 09:57.27 | omri | make them all use OSS, and forward OSS |
| 09:57.27 | valdyn | omri: no |
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| 09:57.47 | valdyn | omri: you should make everything use alsa |
| 09:57.49 | guzu | hello all |
| 09:57.59 | valdyn | omri: and possibly use an esd clone, not esd |
| 09:58.01 | omri | I hate linux sound! |
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| 09:58.17 | EdLin | omri: you haven't used Solaris sound. |
| 09:58.25 | omri | and I won't :) |
| 09:58.48 | lindylex | what source list do I need to use to update "win32 codecs"? |
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| 09:59.01 | guzu | wich is the lightiest browser wich still 'has' java and flash plugins and tls/ssl ? |
| 09:59.01 | EdLin | heard of real-time? its imaginary-time. |
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| 09:59.14 | omri | I'm not looking to replace esd yet. I'm waiting for a reply on my mail to ltsp |
| 09:59.20 | EdLin | !tell lindylex -about marillat |
| 09:59.37 | EdLin | guzu: opera, if you want closed-source. |
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| 09:59.53 | omri | that should be !enlighten <nick> -about <something> :) |
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| 10:00.00 | xand | ew opera |
| 10:00.13 | guzu | EdLin, thnx, is it in the repo of debian 4.0? |
| 10:00.23 | omri | xand, you disgust :P |
| 10:00.24 | hark | kazehakase maybe |
| 10:00.31 | EdLin | xand: well, if you want light-weight and Java and flash, your choices are limited. |
| 10:00.35 | omri | *you seem disgust |
| 10:00.45 | xand | omri: still doesn't make sense ;P |
| 10:00.45 | EdLin | guzu: its in non-free, if not, opera has debs. |
| 10:01.01 | guzu | EdLin, thnx again, gonna check |
| 10:01.03 | xand | opera is awful |
| 10:01.04 | omri | xand, well, I'm not a native speaker, you should start getting used to it :) |
| 10:01.13 | omri | and I didn't finish 8th grade :P |
| 10:01.27 | guzu | xand, what do you recomend? |
| 10:01.56 | EdLin | guzu: I didn't see it in sid, try getting debs from opera.com (but I don't like opera....) |
| 10:01.58 | omri | alright, bbl, thanks for everything :] |
| 10:02.00 | lindylex | i don't understand this "first ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>"? what does this mean? |
| 10:02.00 | xand | I use firefox^Wiceweasel, though it's not very lightweight despite that being its intention |
| 10:02.21 | hark | s/very/at all |
| 10:02.35 | EdLin | !tell lindylex about apt-key 1F41B907 |
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| 10:02.54 | hark | lindylex: install debian-multimedia-keyring |
| 10:03.09 | Beauty | morning |
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| 10:03.43 | enouf | !dmix |
| 10:03.43 | dpkg | hmm... dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 10:03.53 | EdLin | enouf: don't do that, the "bang" makes your computer lock up. |
| 10:04.04 | enouf | heh |
| 10:04.44 | hark | enouf: so, what browser did you finally pick? |
| 10:04.48 | EdLin | btw, gunshots don't sound like they do in the movies irl |
| 10:04.54 | EdLin | (now you know I'm in Brooklyn) |
| 10:05.03 | guzu | xand my problem is an old notebook p150/48 |
| 10:05.07 | lindylex | hark, edlin thnaks |
| 10:05.12 | enouf | hark: errm .. still undecided .. i fire up konq when i need to |
| 10:05.14 | guzu | so it has to be the lightiest :) |
| 10:05.27 | hark | guzu: try kazehakase |
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| 10:06.57 | enouf | it;s amazing how javascript works fine in links2 -g, until you hit the sites that say "your browser doesn't support javascript" .. must be a redmond thing |
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| 10:07.44 | Guerin | enouf: jscript != javascript |
| 10:07.47 | guzu | hark, thnx, is there a deb somewhere for deb4.0? |
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| 10:08.12 | DaveyB | Can someone tell me a nice nub friendly ODBC database software for debian |
| 10:08.22 | EdLin | !info kazehakase etch |
| 10:08.24 | Guerin | DaveyB: no such thing |
| 10:08.25 | dpkg | kazehakase: (gecko based web browser using GTK), section web, is optional. Version: 0.4.2-1 (etch), Packaged size: 767 kB, Installed size: 2144 kB |
| 10:08.27 | hark | Guerin: he said javascript |
| 10:08.33 | Guerin | hark: yes, he did. |
| 10:08.36 | EdLin | guzu: ^^ |
| 10:08.37 | enouf | well .. i know java != javascript ... but hehe .. fuck it at this point .. the tubes are broken and clogged, like old clay piped cesspools |
| 10:09.10 | hark | ah, ok the windows thing |
| 10:09.31 | hark | there's jscript.net now too :) |
| 10:09.37 | enouf | gecko is bloat .. IMO, will not use it |
| 10:09.39 | EdLin | enouf: the tubes, you mean those things that make the internet work? |
| 10:09.47 | guzu | EdLin, cool! thnx |
| 10:09.48 | enouf | something like that |
| 10:09.57 | Guerin | EdLin: which connect up the truck stations, yeah |
| 10:10.03 | Nielsen | Tubes! i tell ya, Tubes! new from apple: iTubes! |
| 10:10.15 | Guerin | Nielsen: only $99.99 |
| 10:10.16 | hark | guzu: try it (i haven't), but flash and java does limit your choices |
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| 10:10.39 | Nielsen | Guerin: oh, i thought it was $999.999.99 |
| 10:10.42 | EdLin | Guerin: the Honerable Sen. Stevens explained it all to me when explaining the need to defeat net neutrality. |
| 10:10.48 | guzu | hark, ok, i'll do it and report back |
| 10:10.53 | Guerin | Nielsen: it depends if you want the one with extra emoticons |
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| 10:10.58 | Nielsen | Guerin: better go get one then :D |
| 10:11.05 | EdLin | but that's a US thing.... |
| 10:11.47 | EdLin | enouf: well, sometimes I think that "dump truck" describes the 'net better than tubes. ;-) |
| 10:12.03 | Guerin | Nielsen: i hope you're not serious |
| 10:12.21 | enouf | EdLin: take away the word truck for full effect ;-) |
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| 10:12.47 | EdLin | enouf: or just mail him an ubuntu CD for that effect. |
| 10:13.01 | Shorty5 | well i think im just gonna give up on linux for now and go to bed, even though i will have to get up in a few hours lol |
| 10:13.07 | enouf | EdLin: with a Splashy of a bridge to nowhere |
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| 10:13.29 | Nielsen | Guerin: i'm a collector... i'll listen to it at least once, and seed for a month or two |
| 10:13.40 | enouf | Shorty5: you're a trooper, and thank you for trying to help your disabled friend ... sincerely |
| 10:13.49 | Guerin | Nielsen: you have my condolences |
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| 10:14.09 | EdLin | !enouf+++ |
| 10:14.12 | enouf | Shorty5: it's admirable IMO |
| 10:14.16 | Nielsen | Guerin: hey, its just diskspace ... don't get me started on my complete STTNG collection |
| 10:14.21 | enouf | !Shorty5++ |
| 10:14.39 | EdLin | !Shorty5++ |
| 10:14.41 | Shorty5 | thank you all for your help, i'll come back in another day :) |
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| 10:14.58 | tenco | how can i compile liferea with mozilla support? configure doesnt detect iceape-dev |
| 10:14.59 | Nielsen | Guerin: uh, good idea :D |
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| 10:15.17 | Nielsen | Guerin: want me to download some tellytubbies too? :D |
| 10:15.30 | Guerin | Nielsen: knock yourself out |
| 10:15.33 | EdLin | tenco: liferea is a gnome app, yes? Maybe changing the default browser if you're using GNOME works. |
| 10:15.36 | Guerin | no, really ... |
| 10:15.38 | Nielsen | Guerin: i bet it would |
| 10:16.00 | EdLin | !wayc tenco |
| 10:16.00 | dpkg | tenco: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
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| 10:16.12 | tenco | EdLin: dont know how this could help configure to recognize iceape headers as mozilla headers... |
| 10:16.36 | azeem | tenco: it probably builds against xulrunner, rather? |
| 10:16.43 | tenco | my liferea config files are created by a 1.2.x version |
| 10:16.50 | tenco | and apt only has 1.0.x |
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| 10:17.30 | Perun | hi all |
| 10:17.38 | guzu | hi Perun |
| 10:17.39 | Guerin | tenco: what branch? |
| 10:17.41 | tenco | ill try xulrunner |
| 10:17.42 | EdLin | tenco: if all you need is feed lists export opml files |
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| 10:17.55 | muh2000 | hi there |
| 10:17.56 | Perun | how can I set CEST in sid? there is no tzconfig |
| 10:18.24 | muh2000 | where do i find the right 32bit libs for my amd 64bit system: http://nopaste.org/p/a3zVxQit4 |
| 10:18.51 | EdLin | Perun: I think tzselect, or ln -sf from /usr/share/zoneinfo to /etc/localtime |
| 10:18.55 | tenco | EdLin: erhm, no. it's like not reusing a .newsrc , you're losing the read status of messages |
| 10:19.02 | thedonvaughn | Perun: you can copy the whatever file represents that in /usr/share/zoneinfo to /etc/localtime |
| 10:19.11 | thedonvaughn | or what EdLin said |
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| 10:20.00 | naught101 | anyone know why named-checkconf and named-check zone are in /usr/sbin instead of /usr/bin? they aren't system binaries, are they? |
| 10:20.29 | Guerin | Nielsen: for super-user only |
| 10:20.33 | Guerin | naught101: |
| 10:20.39 | thedonvaughn | naught101: they would be considered system binaries yes |
| 10:20.56 | tenco | there's no xulrunner-dev package |
| 10:21.26 | Perun | thedonvaughn: ok thx |
| 10:22.11 | qdk | I have a AMD64 installed Debian running and im trying to run a 32bit binary, but i get "no such file", what am i missing? I have a pastebin with system and file info -> http://pastebin.ca/485929 |
| 10:22.14 | azeem | tenco: did you even look at liferea's Build-Depends? |
| 10:22.19 | naught101 | thedonvaughn: why? |
| 10:23.02 | thedonvaughn | naught101: because named is a DNS server. normal users should not need to have those binaries in their path |
| 10:23.14 | naught101 | ah, ok. |
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| 10:23.38 | naught101 | is it safe to put /usr/sbin in the global path? |
| 10:23.45 | thedonvaughn | naught101: not recommended |
| 10:23.59 | Guerin | naught101: it's not unsafe, but there's no need to |
| 10:24.47 | naught101 | except I'd like to have named-checkconf an ..zone in my path ;) |
| 10:25.10 | xand | you can add them to your path if you like |
| 10:25.11 | azeem | naught101: how often? |
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| 10:25.18 | thedonvaughn | naught101: if you are executing these system applications as a user, i'm assuming you're using sudo and i believe by default it's configured to use root's PATH while searching for the command |
| 10:25.18 | cydork | qdk: you can try it again after installing ia32-libs.. but not sure if that will work |
| 10:25.24 | Guerin | export PATH=/usr/sbin:$PATH |
| 10:25.54 | valdyn | qdk: read the first lines of that 'binary' |
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| 10:27.09 | naught101 | thedonvaughn: but named-confcheck and zone don't actually change anything. I was executing them as non sudo user, straight from /usr/sbin |
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| 10:27.59 | naught101 | azeem: I have a lot of domains that I need to set up over the next few weeks. a lot of things will get screwed up |
| 10:28.47 | dZen|n| | hello: I just didi this http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install/Debian and it returns with this error: parse error on line 130 of section dri what is wrong ? |
| 10:28.50 | guzu | hark, ive installed and teste, i can not connect to gmail, i see no flash, i see no java, but it's light indeed, and it's alittle bit old, latest is 0.4.6 and the .deb is 0.4.2, so i still have hope :) |
| 10:29.02 | EdLin | dZen|n|: #beryl |
| 10:29.05 | Maerz | omg AngusRF |
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| 10:29.46 | dZen|n| | EdLin: should I add that ? |
| 10:30.03 | guzu | hark, thnx again |
| 10:30.11 | valdyn | dZen|n|: how about you look at the offending line or at least show us? |
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| 10:32.11 | qdk | cydork: cool i was wondering what that package was called... installing right now. |
| 10:32.33 | muh2000 | what are the emul libs for amd64 called ? |
| 10:32.35 | qdk | valdyn: thx, i can see a reference to a lib file, which is probably the actual file not there. |
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| 10:33.16 | valdyn | muh2000: ia32-libs is the 'base' |
| 10:33.42 | muh2000 | valdyn thnx :) |
| 10:34.44 | valdyn | guzu: are you running gnome? |
| 10:35.13 | guzu | valdyn, no, windowmaker |
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| 10:35.53 | valdyn | guzu: supposedly _whole_ kde is lighter than _just_ a mozilla based webbrowser, which kazaha.. is too |
| 10:35.57 | dZen|n| | okey I fixed it :D |
| 10:36.17 | guzu | valdyn, thnx, i'll try |
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| 10:36.56 | valdyn | guzu: mind, you dont want to use different gui frameworks, just kde or just gtk, not both |
| 10:37.15 | guzu | to save ram and cpu, sure |
| 10:37.49 | guzu | maybe java and flash plugin can be installed with apt, too? |
| 10:38.06 | guzu | or maybe tls/ssl support? |
| 10:38.15 | valdyn | guzu: you're not going to have fun with this with 48 mb ram |
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| 10:38.24 | guzu | that's for sure :) |
| 10:38.31 | Yancho | anyone knows where is the file pg_ctl in ubuntu pls ? |
| 10:38.31 | valdyn | guzu: just forget about flash/java i would tell you |
| 10:38.44 | _Rubyxx | I have managed to share an internet connection at home with another Linux PC that is connected to the internet using a crossover cable. But I am puzzled that I can not access the files or folders there...What do I do next? |
| 10:38.48 | valdyn | Yancho: ask in a ubuntu channel |
| 10:38.53 | guzu | ok, but at least my email account ..... |
| 10:39.00 | Yancho | oki VaLouille |
| 10:39.10 | valdyn | guzu: gmail works fine in most any browser, it has a plain html mode |
| 10:39.29 | guzu | valdyn, let me check something |
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| 10:39.43 | Yancho | valdyn and u know how to restart postgresql pls? |
| 10:39.54 | EdLin | !ubuntu |
| 10:39.54 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
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| 10:40.04 | valdyn | Yancho: /etc/init.d/post* restart |
| 10:40.34 | Yancho | thanks valdyn :) |
| 10:40.39 | EdLin | valdyn: Ubuntu defaults to postfix, that might not have the effect you're recommending. |
| 10:40.52 | valdyn | EdLin: ah, funny |
| 10:41.02 | EdLin | valdyn: about the only good idea it has |
| 10:41.17 | valdyn | EdLin: why is postfix preferable to exim anyway? |
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| 10:41.35 | EdLin | valdyn: ever tried to fix exim when Debian's configuration doesn't work? |
| 10:41.45 | omri | yuck. exim stinks |
| 10:41.49 | valdyn | EdLin: yea |
| 10:42.10 | liable | the insanely retarded config is the reason enough |
| 10:42.17 | EdLin | postfix is simple, yet powerful, and a heck of a lot more secure. |
| 10:42.43 | valdyn | hmm, i found exim easy enough, but i just dont know the alternative at all |
| 10:42.46 | EdLin | liable: you got it, and Debian's implementation is even worse. |
| 10:43.09 | EdLin | liable: try to get support for Debian's configuration and the developers laugh. |
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| 10:43.25 | tarzeau | hmmm this 50pin scsi disk (2,1 gb seagate) makes funny noises |
| 10:43.29 | liable | its like they make it hard on purpose to stop people seeting up webservers, and after hearing the debian dev's take on it in here, i have to think thats almost the only reason |
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| 10:43.42 | liable | s/webservers/mailservers/ |
| 10:43.50 | tarzeau | there's not by chance anyone here from switzerland/german with a larger, working 50pin scsi disk? |
| 10:43.53 | xoz | s/seeting/setting |
| 10:44.02 | omri | of all servers, I found apache's config the best :) |
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| 10:46.15 | EdLin | liable: if they'd wanted that, they wouldn't have made the configuration automated. That way you get a half-broken setup instead of something that simply doesn't do anything. |
| 10:47.02 | omri | what pop3d do you recommand? |
| 10:47.10 | Nielsen | dovecot :D |
| 10:47.17 | xand | pop3 sucks, i'd use imap instead |
| 10:47.21 | xand | !pop3 |
| 10:47.21 | dpkg | POP3 is a really pesky way to get email, especially if you have lots of it. An evil thing most people on the internet are stuck with whether they like it or not. See <fetchmail>. telnet your.pop3.server.org pop3 |tee -a mymails; user foo; pass ****; list; retr 1; dele 1; quit. Also see RFC1939 |
| 10:47.26 | Nielsen | dovecot-imap then |
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| 10:47.59 | tenco | ok. libxul-dev did it |
| 10:48.01 | tenco | thanks! |
| 10:48.03 | tarzeau | i run a server, join #bub-n-bros or get it from http://bub-n-bros.sf.net |
| 10:48.03 | liable | EdLin: heh |
| 10:48.08 | omri | nah; I want pop3 |
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| 10:48.22 | Nielsen | dovecot-pop3 then |
| 10:48.26 | cydork | tarzeau: SPAM!! |
| 10:48.35 | omri | dovecot-pop3d, does it work with postfix? |
| 10:48.48 | Nielsen | omri: yes |
| 10:48.49 | liable | cydork: no, he's a bub'n'bros freak :) |
| 10:48.51 | omri | thanks |
| 10:49.05 | cydork | liable: heh! i know :P |
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| 10:49.45 | EdLin | all we need to do is re-implement bub'n'bros in GNUstep and tarzeau will be in Linux game heaven. |
| 10:50.01 | tarzeau | EdLin: come on, just one level |
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| 10:51.09 | Nielsen | oh and scorched3d |
| 10:51.29 | EdLin | I like scorched3d, but my 3D drivers aren't working atm. |
| 10:51.35 | tarzeau | Nielsen: check it out: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/people/bubnbros/bubtoomuch2full.png |
| 10:51.49 | tarzeau | Nielsen: in frozenbubble only two players. in bnb 10 dragons! |
| 10:51.52 | Nielsen | tarzeau: ew no thanks |
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| 10:53.14 | EdLin | I found bzflag a fun multiplayer game, until someone else blows me up. Like I said, I'm not very good with reflexes. |
| 10:53.33 | Nielsen | EdLin: it is fun, i used to play it too |
| 10:53.42 | tarzeau | EdLin: in bnb unlimited lives! and is not matter to bubble up the others, but eat the fruits |
| 10:53.51 | tarzeau | EdLin: and the fruits fly around in masses anyways |
| 10:54.05 | tarzeau | EdLin: you don't go eat them, the fruits fall on you anyways |
| 10:54.21 | dZen|n| | freaking beryl :P |
| 10:54.41 | EdLin | dZen|n|: beryl is not going to last anyway, they've merged with compiz |
| 10:54.47 | dZen|n| | I didi everything but it still don't work |
| 10:54.57 | dZen|n| | did* |
| 10:54.58 | EdLin | !doesn't work |
| 10:54.58 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 10:55.12 | dZen|n| | hehe |
| 10:55.47 | dZen|n| | so you think I should install compiz ? |
| 10:56.09 | EdLin | dZen|n|: I think you should install something sensible. |
| 10:56.33 | dZen|n| | and what could it be ? |
| 10:56.38 | EdLin | screen |
| 10:56.55 | Nielsen | yeah, screen |
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| 10:58.34 | Nielsen | in .bashrc |
| 10:59.22 | EdLin | !tarzeau++ |
| 10:59.54 | tarzeau | EdLin: you see my screen trick in it? |
| 11:00.02 | tarzeau | EdLin: it autonames screen windows |
| 11:00.03 | EdLin | I haven't fetched it. |
| 11:00.46 | Nielsen | PROMPT_COMMAND='echo -ne "\033_${USER}@${HOSTNAME%.*}:${WINDOW:+$WINDOW:}${PWD/$HOME/~}\033\\"' |
| 11:01.16 | guzu | is there a way to install a deb downloaded from the internet? (like opera*.deb) |
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| 11:01.24 | Nielsen | yes, dpkg -i |
| 11:01.25 | hark | zsh freaks ;) |
| 11:01.33 | xand | guzu: what do you think? |
| 11:01.41 | guzu | Nielsen, thank you :) |
| 11:01.43 | EdLin | tarzeau: pretty nice... My screen setup (actually grml's) gives me a pretty distinctive footer so its pretty clear when I'm in screen. |
| 11:01.54 | guzu | xand, there _must_ be :) |
| 11:02.09 | xoz | grml cli is cool |
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| 11:02.14 | SoulChild | Hey Guys, can i copy the content of my "/boot"-Partition to the root dir and then format the Boot-Ãœartition without getting Problems on boot ? |
| 11:02.20 | sheldonh | mmmmm, debian good |
| 11:02.53 | SoulChild | I think if i edit grub and change fstab everything should work, doesn't it ? |
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| 11:03.21 | guzu | SoulChild, if you preserver permissions and comment out the relevant line in /etc/fstab and reconfigure and rerun grub, etc :) |
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| 11:04.09 | tarzeau | SoulChild: if / is a filesystem grub supports |
| 11:04.15 | SoulChild | guzu: that means, i nly have to edit grum-conf and fstab,... right ? |
| 11:04.21 | SoulChild | tarzeau: yes its ext3 |
| 11:04.51 | guzu | SoulChild, imho you have to reinstall grub (on mbr), but i'm maybe wrong |
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| 11:05.11 | SoulChild | i ll try,... thanks |
| 11:05.30 | dZen|n| | okey new error ! :D |
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| 11:06.01 | dZen|n| | When I use beryl I can see desktop and it works, but only in orange color |
| 11:06.03 | dZen|n| | damn |
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| 11:06.16 | EdLin | !beryl |
| 11:06.16 | dpkg | beryl is probably probably a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager), How-to and links to package repositories are here: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Debian |
| 11:06.37 | EdLin | and for more support, /join #beryl |
| 11:06.40 | sheldonh | is passwd.client still supported in exim4? even with *:username:password, i can't get exim4 to use smtp auth against my smarthost |
| 11:07.08 | azeem | sheldonh: works for me |
| 11:07.32 | sheldonh | azeem: you using host::587 for your smarthost? |
| 11:07.55 | azeem | I guess not |
| 11:08.24 | EdLin | sheldonh: postfix > exim (IMHO) |
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| 11:09.36 | streuner | dpkg, beryl =~ s/probably/ / |
| 11:09.36 | dpkg | OK, streuner |
| 11:10.36 | sheldonh | EdLin: not for me. i'm a die-hard exim user myself. i'm just new to debianized exim, is all :) |
| 11:11.31 | EdLin | sheldonh: that's the problem with Debian's exim, the Debianizing. |
| 11:11.48 | EdLin | otoh, the debianizing of postfix is OK |
| 11:12.02 | sheldonh | EdLin: ah, i seeee. perhaps, for a laptop, i should try something new, then :) |
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| 11:12.31 | sheldonh | EdLin: i'll just install wireshark and see whether it's even attempting auth. if not, i'll give postfix a whirl |
| 11:12.42 | EdLin | sheldonh: yep |
| 11:14.19 | Buck | when I plug in my usb drive under gnome, it auto mounts it as read onlyu |
| 11:14.24 | Buck | how can I mount it as read write? |
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| 11:17.21 | hark | what fs is it? |
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| 11:24.32 | sheldonh | EdLin: exim's not even trying to auth. looks like the authenticators are misconfigured, since a debug shows "plain authenticator yielded 13", a problem raised but unanswered as far as google can see :) |
| 11:26.09 | sheldonh | EdLin: ah. AUTH_CLIENT_ALLOW_NOTLS_PASSWORDS |
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| 11:26.10 | _Rubyxx | is there a debian equivalent of yum and rpm? is it ./ ? |
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| 11:26.50 | schme | _Rubyxx: What is yum? |
| 11:26.59 | _Rubyxx | lol |
| 11:27.01 | schme | _Rubyxx: Debian uses .deb instead of .rpm . |
| 11:27.18 | ChangedNick | hello all, i tried to mount the fat partitioin with the support of cyrillic (mount -t vfat -o iocharset=utf8) but still the cyrillic is not supported, it only says that it is not recommended to use fat with cyrillic, has anyone encoutered such a problem? how was it solved? |
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| 11:27.26 | Nielsen | a package manager like apt-get, dpkg and aptitude .. i suggest deselect |
| 11:27.28 | _Rubyxx | yum is an advanced form of rpm. |
| 11:27.30 | Nielsen | err dselect |
| 11:27.48 | schme | Oh rpm the command. |
| 11:27.53 | Nielsen | or perhaps kpackage if you're using kde |
| 11:28.00 | _Rubyxx | yes |
| 11:28.00 | schme | I was thinking the file format there. |
| 11:28.21 | _Rubyxx | ok |
| 11:28.22 | schme | _Rubyxx: Aptitude is nice. Atleast if you stay away from the ncurses front end. |
| 11:29.13 | schme | _Rubyxx: there is also synaptic |
| 11:29.23 | _Rubyxx | so is (aptitude openssh) ok! |
| 11:29.33 | _Rubyxx | ok? |
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| 11:29.45 | Nielsen | _Rubyxx: server or client? |
| 11:29.45 | Hoxzer | is somebody here using xfce4? |
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| 11:29.54 | _Rubyxx | client |
| 11:30.11 | Nielsen | aptitude install openssh-client |
| 11:30.20 | _Rubyxx | ok thanks |
| 11:31.12 | tarzeau | my alpha doesn't boot, aboot: loading compressed ... unzip: unknown compression method |
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| 11:31.42 | _Rubyxx | It seems like a real pain trying to connect a Debian client to a Fedora server :( |
| 11:32.03 | _Rubyxx | they speak different languages almost |
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| 11:32.38 | Nielsen | hopefully they both speak 'linux' |
| 11:32.43 | xoz | Hoxzer: state outright your problem. |
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| 11:33.37 | xoz | _Rubyxx: dont blame linux distros if you don't know how to configure your client. |
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| 11:33.45 | sheldonh | EdLin: i give up. 10 years of exim experience, several source contributions, some ehavyweight mail cluster deployments, and i'm flumoxed by what debian's done to old faithful |
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| 11:34.33 | dutchfish | is there another way to run identd then through inetd on Etch? |
| 11:34.41 | _Rubyxx | I know I don't know |
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| 11:35.02 | asg | dutchfish: install oidentd |
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| 11:35.16 | dutchfish | asg, didnt that one use xinetd? |
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| 11:35.23 | _Rubyxx | ....but the different lingos make it difficult for me to learm |
| 11:35.29 | asg | dutchfish: it didn't the last time I used it |
| 11:35.32 | _Rubyxx | learn |
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| 11:36.05 | dutchfish | asg, will it solve performance issues related to runnnig identd through inetd? |
| 11:36.32 | xoz | there is not shortcut in certain things. it takes getting used to |
| 11:37.00 | asg | dutchfish: try it |
| 11:37.36 | dutchfish | asg, ok, does it disables the old identd on install? |
| 11:37.49 | EdLin | sheldonh: I'm a dissatisfied exim user myself, though nowhere near that expert. I liked the old exim3... Debian's bastardized implementation in Sarge, and made even worse in etch, made me switch to postfix. Now things are sane again. |
| 11:38.07 | asg | dutchfish: yes, if not, just comment it out of inetd |
| 11:38.23 | dutchfish | EdLin, i throw away exim4 a long time ago in feavor of postfix |
| 11:38.24 | asg | EdLin: you know that the silly split-config thing isn't required |
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| 11:38.36 | dutchfish | asg, ok |
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| 11:38.49 | EdLin | asg: even if they weren't split, it'd be a mess. |
| 11:38.49 | sheldonh | it's a pity debian's hurting exim this way. it's great software |
| 11:38.54 | EdLin | dutchfish: I wish I had. |
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| 11:38.59 | asg | EdLin: a mess in what way? |
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| 11:39.17 | EdLin | asg: a mess trying to get it to work with gmail.... |
| 11:39.39 | EdLin | asg: I did manage to get Sarge's to work. |
| 11:39.54 | omri | any1 remembers the old indiana jones game? http://www.dosgamesarchive.com/download/game/31 |
| 11:39.59 | omri | it works perfect on dosbox :) |
| 11:40.14 | asg | omri: yes, too funny |
| 11:40.15 | EdLin | !any1 |
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| 11:40.27 | omri | EdLin, don't piss me off :) |
| 11:40.36 | omri | that wasn't a question for my personal gain :) |
| 11:40.56 | asg | EdLin: wouldn't that be an Exim problem and not a Debian problem? Or did Debian remove some functionality for licensing reasons? |
| 11:41.11 | EdLin | asg: I have no idea. |
| 11:41.14 | sheldonh | asg: debian ship exim with a weirdified config |
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| 11:41.41 | asg | sheldonh: which is completely optional; the default config shipped with exim is available in /usr/share/doc/exim* and can be used. |
| 11:41.43 | dutchfish | asg, execellent, it installed without a glitch and did remove pident along with editing /etc/inetd.conf |
| 11:41.51 | sheldonh | asg: as in, there are things i'm used to having within minutes of configuration, which debian is making... hard :) |
| 11:42.18 | sheldonh | asg: i appreciate that. i just think debian should consider going the extra mile and making _that_ the default :) |
| 11:42.35 | sheldonh | asg: but you can't please all the people all the time :) |
| 11:43.06 | dutchfish | asg, wow apache repons is so muuuuuch faster now |
| 11:43.09 | EdLin | sheldonh: well, I'm glad you're happy now, even though I still reccomend postfix. :) |
| 11:43.29 | xoz | sheldonh: debian is a community, if you have enough voices, it will be heard. maybe, you are only a minority? |
| 11:43.39 | asg | sheldonh: the rational is discussed in /usr/share/doc/exim4/README.Debian.gz |
| 11:43.46 | sheldonh | EdLin: i'm not happy, i'm removing exim4 and trying postfix. i find postfix way to simple for the server stuff we do, but perhaps for a laptoy, it'll work out well |
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| 11:43.55 | asg | sheldonh: I personally agree that the split config this is dumb if you know what you are doing |
| 11:44.03 | EdLin | xoz: I doubt it, he's not te only one who doesn't like Debian's config. The exim developers hate it, and others hate it as well. |
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| 11:44.09 | sheldonh | xoz: i can't win. it's arrogant to agree that i'm a minority :) |
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| 11:44.30 | xoz | sheldonh: bug the maintainer |
| 11:44.38 | asg | he's often on here |
| 11:44.41 | pzn | Hi, I'm trying to use sound card (Asus on-board nvidia MCP61) in etch/amd64 without success. I already did many alsa things, installed a newer version, without success. any hint? |
| 11:44.41 | EdLin | I'd say I don't hear voices clamoring for the Debianized config here. |
| 11:44.49 | sheldonh | asg: he must be so tired of this conversation :) |
| 11:44.56 | dutchfish | if you even looked at the source-code of postfix you know why i prefer that 1 |
| 11:44.59 | asg | sheldonh: he is, I can assure you |
| 11:45.11 | sheldonh | EdLin: does debian molest postfix the way it does exim4? |
| 11:45.23 | EdLin | sheldonh: no. |
| 11:45.24 | asg | postfix is molested upstream |
| 11:45.28 | sheldonh | asg: so let's just chalk it up to a matter of taste and move along |
| 11:45.30 | sheldonh | :) |
| 11:45.51 | cahoot | pzn: it's using snd-hda-intel? |
| 11:45.55 | asg | sheldonh: sadly, there are some complex mail routing scenarios that I've only been able to get exim to handle. |
| 11:46.21 | EdLin | asg: use sendmail. >;-) |
| 11:46.49 | EdLin | j/k |
| 11:46.53 | asg | EdLin: I do on some machines but not for complex things ;) |
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| 11:47.31 | muh2000 | need help vmware install error http://nopaste.org/p/aEDILpe0O |
| 11:47.38 | sheldonh | asg: don't get me wrong. this changes nothing for my server preference, where we'll simply take your advice and use a stock config :) |
| 11:47.44 | EdLin | (paraphrasing) "No, I do not lie awake at night trying to think of ways to torture system administrators." - Eric Allman |
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| 11:48.19 | asg | sheldonh: :) |
| 11:48.38 | asg | muh2000: if you haven't run 'm-a prepare', do so now. If that doesn't fix it, someone else might know. |
| 11:48.42 | guzu | ok, on debian 4.0, my (pcmcia) ne2000 network card is taking away the irq5, how can i tell initscripts to use another irq? |
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| 11:49.24 | muh2000 | asg what is "m-a prepare" ? |
| 11:49.31 | sheldonh | phew, i must admit, as suck as debian's packaging process is compared with gentoo's ebuilds, its package _management_ is king |
| 11:49.50 | wintix | muh2000: man module-assistant |
| 11:50.35 | EdLin | sheldonh: you shouldn't have to use the packaging process much.... |
| 11:50.59 | sheldonh | EdLin: here's hoping, 'cause it's a _lot_ of work :) |
| 11:51.27 | EdLin | sheldonh: there's over 15,000 packages in stable, maybe twice that much, I've lost count. :) |
| 11:51.31 | sheldonh | EdLin: can you specify a port in postfix's relayhost param? |
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| 11:51.50 | EdLin | sheldonh: I use port 587 talking to gmail. |
| 11:51.53 | sheldonh | EdLin: oh, it's more about customization than having no package available at all |
| 11:51.55 | muh2000 | asg still "execution aborted" |
| 11:52.07 | sheldonh | EdLin: separated with a single colon? |
| 11:52.35 | EdLin | sheldonh: yep |
| 11:52.46 | BleSS | is possible append to a file owned by root using sudo with redirection?? sudo cat >> /etc/file << 'EOD' |
| 11:52.47 | sheldonh | EdLin: doh, i'm an idiot. the dialogue box _tells_ me what formats are allowed! |
| 11:53.29 | sheldonh | BleSS: interesting question. you might need to use sudo sh -c "cat ..." so that it's clear whose shell wants the heredoc |
| 11:53.43 | xingu | sheldonh: if it's any consolation I feel pretty much the same way about the direction that debian sendmail's gone down |
| 11:54.16 | xingu | sheldonh: I was perfectly happy with the upstream m4, the number of layers that have been added atop of that in recent history are frankly mystifying |
| 11:54.30 | BleSS | sheldonh: so it's any complicated, perhaps would be best to use sed to apeend text with sudo |
| 11:54.34 | sheldonh | xingu: debian seems quite up its own arse with certain packages. it gets funky with apache too, yeah? it's a head-ache for visiting admins |
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| 11:55.06 | xingu | sheldonh: haven't looked at apache2; afaik all that's happened there is breaking httpd.conf out into per-module and per-host stanzas. |
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| 11:55.23 | sheldonh | BleSS: honestly, i'd probably just use mktemp to get a temporary file, write to that, then sudo cat $tmpfile >> actualfile and clean up after myself? |
| 11:56.13 | BleSS | sheldonh: yes, you have reason, thanks |
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| 11:57.56 | sheldonh | BleSS: i usually find that the long way around is the quickest :) |
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| 11:58.31 | yettenet | hi there... is there a utility to switch my GTK theme's font |
| 11:58.32 | yettenet | ? |
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| 11:59.11 | tarzeau | yettenet: ype |
| 11:59.27 | sheldonh | EdLin: presumably, your postfix.conf has smtp_sasl_auth_enable=yes ? |
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| 11:59.37 | yettenet | tarzeau: I'm gonna give it a look, thanks |
| 12:00.25 | EdLin | sheldonh: I don't even have a postfix.conf, you mean main.cf or the like? |
| 12:00.36 | tarzeau | yettenet: switch and switch2 |
| 12:00.36 | yettenet | tarzeau: What does ype stand for? I can't find it in this name |
| 12:00.44 | tarzeau | yettenet: it was for yep, as in yes |
| 12:00.44 | sheldonh | EdLin: yes, sorry. main.cf |
| 12:00.53 | yettenet | Oopsie :P |
| 12:00.55 | tarzeau | yettenet: install gtk-theme-switch |
| 12:01.03 | EdLin | sheldonh: yep |
| 12:01.09 | sheldonh | EdLin: sorry to pester, i just want to make sure i'm headed in the right direction with smtp_sasl_auth_enable before fiddling with the rest of the options |
| 12:01.21 | yettenet | tarzeau: Ok, I have it installed... :) |
| 12:01.33 | pzn | cahoot: sorry... audio may be disabled in bios... I'll reboot to check :-( |
| 12:01.48 | EdLin | sheldonh: I did it from a slightly modified recipie on freshmeat.net |
| 12:02.07 | EdLin | sheldonh: in spite of that, I know what its doing. :-) |
| 12:02.41 | EdLin | sheldonh: actually, an article there. Also in linuxgazzette |
| 12:03.10 | EdLin | linuxgazette is apt-getable.... |
| 12:03.46 | BleSS | does snort can to protect against atacks to a web server? I know that there is a module (security2) for Apache that looks very well, but I want not use a web server as heavy (I'll use nginx) |
| 12:04.17 | EdLin | hmm, used to be apt-getable. Not in sid. :-( |
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| 12:04.45 | ogre | hi to everyone |
| 12:04.47 | EdLin | lg-### was the old nomenclature. |
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| 12:05.39 | ogre | is it possible convert .pdf to .odt |
| 12:05.48 | ogre | or .doc in linux? |
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| 12:06.19 | guzu | hi ogre |
| 12:06.32 | gejr | i think my internet connection is acting strangely..can I somehow get an overview over which processes is using bandwidth in Debian? |
| 12:06.36 | yettenet | Great, thank you very much, it worked, tarzeau |
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| 12:06.58 | dutchfish | gejr, netstat, iftop and others |
| 12:07.03 | guzu | ogre, no, afaik |
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| 12:07.11 | ogre | plz, somebody say how to convert? |
| 12:07.25 | edistar | hey... at the installation I chose not to use mirrors for the packages as I have dvds, but now I want the mirrors again, where do I find the standard sources.list? |
| 12:07.28 | guzu | ogre, although there are some pdf2* and pdfto* |
| 12:07.30 | dutchfish | gejr, nethogg also |
| 12:07.37 | gejr | dutchfish: could you please provide me with some syntax on how to use netstat for this? I can't find it in the manpages |
| 12:07.49 | dutchfish | gejr, netstat -nlp |
| 12:07.55 | xingu | gejr: jnettop |
| 12:08.00 | sheldonh | EdLin: easy peasy: http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html#client_sasl |
| 12:08.18 | gejr | netstat -nlp doesn't provide understandable info for me:) |
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| 12:08.43 | guzu | how do i list available updates in etch, console? |
| 12:08.47 | dutchfish | gejr, install nethogs |
| 12:09.02 | wols | guzu: apt-get update;apt-get upgrade |
| 12:09.22 | guzu | wols, i wanted only to list them |
| 12:09.30 | nightfreak_ | hi, i'm running an etch server with apache2 and mod_php5 and looking for a good way to run php4 parallel |
| 12:09.30 | wols | that will list them |
| 12:09.34 | guzu | wols, thnx anyway |
| 12:09.35 | hark | guzu: aptitude upgrade -P |
| 12:10.02 | gejr | allright...running nethogs gives me the error: ioctl failed while establishing local IP |
| 12:10.02 | xingu | hahahaha |
| 12:10.05 | xingu | liboobs |
| 12:10.06 | edistar | where do I get a standard sources.list? |
| 12:10.06 | xingu | sorry |
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| 12:10.17 | wols | nightfreak_: install/load both. one reacts on .php and .php5, the other on .php4 |
| 12:10.17 | tarzeau | edistar: for etch? |
| 12:10.24 | edistar | yes |
| 12:10.34 | tarzeau | edistar: telnet linuks.mine.nu | sed s,sid,etch,g |
| 12:10.35 | guzu | hark thnx |
| 12:10.40 | wintix | gejr: are you root? |
| 12:10.42 | hark | edistar: /msg dpkg sources.list /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 12:10.46 | omri | speaking of php, is it possible to work with mod_php4 and mod_php5 ? |
| 12:10.47 | gejr | ah..now i get it |
| 12:10.49 | gejr | my bad :) |
| 12:11.11 | wols | omri: I just described how |
| 12:11.17 | hark | guzu: the -P will prompt you, so you don't upgrade until you want to :) |
| 12:11.30 | hark | though you can always ^c :) |
| 12:11.31 | EdLin | sheldonh: hey, thanks for the doc. Should have looked on postfix.org :) |
| 12:11.32 | guzu | sure, i've already see it :) |
| 12:11.33 | nightfreak_ | wols: i think both versions as module in impossible |
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| 12:11.41 | gejr | i'm uploading with torrentflux (btdownload) and it isn't uploading faster than 8kb/sec although i should be able to upload almost 100kb/sec |
| 12:11.46 | omri | wols, in your way, isn't one of them working with cgi? |
| 12:11.48 | wols | nightfreak_: why do you "think" so? |
| 12:11.55 | gejr | btdownload doesn't even appear in nethogs |
| 12:12.12 | gejr | so I was wondering if something was stealing upload bandwidth |
| 12:12.16 | gejr | but it doesn't seem like it |
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| 12:12.30 | sheldonh | EdLin: is there a plaintext lookup type alternative to hash: ? |
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| 12:12.54 | gejr | some python process is sending about 8000bytes..that's probably the torrent |
| 12:12.55 | nightfreak_ | wols: thats what people say |
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| 12:13.01 | EdLin | sheldonh: I don't know, I use hash myself. It can use databases too, but that's not what you're looking for, is it? |
| 12:13.04 | gejr | damn...i'm getting permbanned from the private tracker soon :/ |
| 12:13.15 | sorsis | is there way to easily download packages of all installed packages on comp just to have those packages? |
| 12:13.25 | sheldonh | EdLin: nah, i'd rather it just worked its way through a plain textfile :) |
| 12:13.34 | sorsis | or all packages from list i have |
| 12:13.41 | EdLin | sheldonh: yeah, I hate making hashes too. |
| 12:14.09 | EdLin | sheldonh: another error-prone non-transparent step |
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| 12:14.34 | hark | guzu: actually, aptitude ~U is better :) |
| 12:15.00 | dutchfish | EdLin, referring to paostmap? |
| 12:15.13 | xingu | heh, all these pcap based tools are totally bamboozled by transport mode ipsec. |
| 12:15.21 | hark | guzu: er, aptitude search ~U |
| 12:15.29 | guzu | ah:) |
| 12:15.49 | EdLin | dutchfish: depends upon if I have dyslexia or not. ;-) |
| 12:15.51 | Gnea | who cares about ipsec? :) |
| 12:16.03 | xingu | everyone should care about ipsec. :) |
| 12:16.03 | dutchfish | EdLin, sorry for my typo |
| 12:16.19 | Gnea | er, pardon my french, but fuck ipsec :) |
| 12:16.39 | Gnea | useless and broken standard |
| 12:16.55 | EdLin | Gnea: welcome to TCP/IP |
| 12:16.57 | guzu | hark, thnx again, much better, indeed :) |
| 12:16.58 | sheldonh | Gnea: nono. useful and broken _collection_ of standards :) |
| 12:17.00 | Gnea | xingu: ssl does it just fine |
| 12:17.03 | dutchfish | Gnea, so you can refer me to a better option for ipsec? |
| 12:17.17 | xingu | Gnea: one place that crypto doesn't belong, is at the transport layer |
| 12:17.20 | sheldonh | Gnea: for limited values of "it", you are right |
| 12:17.22 | Gnea | dutchfish: openvpn.net |
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| 12:17.34 | Gnea | dutchfish: it's in apt, too |
| 12:18.03 | sheldonh | EdLin: on #postfix, they say just leave out hash: and postfix will expect plaintext, although you should use hash: for performance :) |
| 12:18.04 | Gnea | dutchfish: but if your vendor really needs the ipsec, you could get the two to play together nicely |
| 12:18.13 | dutchfish | Gnea, what that has to do with IPSec? |
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| 12:18.23 | Gnea | dutchfish: it doesn't rely on it |
| 12:18.24 | EdLin | sheldonh: I was wondering if that would work. :-) |
| 12:18.48 | Gnea | dutchfish: of course, that depends upon your application |
| 12:18.58 | hark | IPSec over TCP! |
| 12:19.01 | Gnea | dutchfish: and yes, it's cross-platform |
| 12:19.17 | sheldonh | EdLin: except, it doesn't work :) |
| 12:19.22 | tarzeau | dpkg rocks so much: * Support building binary packages with the member data.tar.lzma compressed |
| 12:19.25 | tarzeau | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:19.38 | xingu | tarzeau: so the patches went in, neat |
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| 12:19.44 | Gnea | i remember lza but not lzma |
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| 12:19.49 | tarzeau | xingu: www.linuks.mine.nu/sizematters/ |
| 12:19.53 | tarzeau | Gnea: lzma! |
| 12:20.00 | tarzeau | Gnea: lzma is new is the best |
| 12:20.01 | tarzeau | !lzma |
| 12:20.06 | xingu | tarzeau: yeah, I know, we've done this before; you were recompressing a repo last I knew |
| 12:20.13 | Gnea | tarzeau: it can't be better than bzip2... can it? |
| 12:20.13 | tarzeau | Gnea: do you mean lzh/lha? |
| 12:20.21 | tarzeau | Gnea: yes it can, 10 % better than bz2 |
| 12:20.26 | tarzeau | Gnea: and faster in uncompress!!! |
| 12:20.26 | Gnea | tarzeau: er, yeah |
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| 12:20.32 | Gnea | what |
| 12:20.37 | tarzeau | Gnea: yes |
| 12:20.42 | tarzeau | Gnea: it's out since years |
| 12:20.52 | xingu | tarzeau: have you see pbzip2? :) |
| 12:20.58 | tarzeau | xingu: no? |
| 12:21.09 | xingu | tarzeau: it's worth a look too if you have large datasets. |
| 12:21.12 | tarzeau | dpkg 1.14.0+ supports lzma pkg building |
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| 12:21.22 | EdLin | Gnea: from 7zip |
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| 12:21.46 | tarzeau | xingu: does it have anything to do with bzip2? |
| 12:21.56 | xingu | tarzeau: same algorithm, just threaded implementation |
| 12:21.59 | dutchfish | is lzma a sort of wavelet implementation? |
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| 12:22.23 | xingu | tarzeau: optimising for speed of compression on smt/smp hardware... |
| 12:23.07 | xingu | tarzeau: fired it up on a 64-way box at work; pleasantly surprised at how linearly it scaled |
| 12:23.21 | cydork | tarzeau: and very very slow while compressing.. |
| 12:23.21 | tarzeau | xingu: pity i don't have more than 2-way boxes |
| 12:23.27 | tarzeau | cydork: faster than bzip2 |
| 12:23.33 | tarzeau | cydork: ah, who cares on compression |
| 12:23.39 | xingu | tarzeau: even for dual core it's worth a look. |
| 12:23.42 | dutchfish | i meant this compression: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wavelet_compression |
| 12:23.47 | tarzeau | xingu: i really don't like bz2 |
| 12:23.50 | Gnea | and it's in the repo |
| 12:23.54 | Gnea | tight. |
| 12:23.58 | xingu | tarzeau: feel like writing a threaded lzma? :) |
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| 12:24.10 | AlteKiet | hi all, how can I let one particular hard drive have the same dedicated /dev name? Because my main hard drive switches apparently random between /dev/hda and /dev/hde... |
| 12:24.13 | tarzeau | xingu: no way, but wanna play some bub-n-bros.sf.net w/ me? |
| 12:24.14 | AlteKiet | I know I can solve problems caused by this behaviour at boot time by assigning a label, but I want it fixed this way.. |
| 12:24.17 | cydork | tarzeau: i do :P |
| 12:24.20 | Gnea | The following NEW packages will be installed: |
| 12:24.20 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:24.45 | tarzeau | cydork: you build packages? |
| 12:24.45 | tarzeau | Gnea: high five :) |
| 12:25.03 | cydork | tarzeau: yeah for some of our stuff.. |
| 12:25.05 | Gnea | tarzeau: now we just need a switch built into tar |
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| 12:25.17 | tarzeau | Gnea: there was patches around, but gnu didn't put them in afaik |
| 12:25.54 | Gnea | tarzeau: is lzma using AES? |
| 12:26.09 | tarzeau | Gnea: no i think it's something own, check their homepage for details |
| 12:26.23 | Gnea | ok, let's do a real test here. |
| 12:26.24 | dutchfish | Gnea, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lempel-Ziv-Markov_algorithm |
| 12:26.29 | Gnea | -rw-r--r-- 1 gnea gnea 43371278 2007-05-01 17:42 linux-2.6.20.11.tar.bz2 |
| 12:26.35 | tarzeau | gnu.ethz.ch/lzma/ |
| 12:26.45 | tarzeau | some more sourcefiles available in lzma |
| 12:27.05 | abchirk | what I have to tell dpkg for pubkey for multimedia staff? |
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| 12:27.18 | tarzeau | 7mb on the latest linux source |
| 12:28.29 | sheldonh | EdLin: postfix config done. postfix is cute |
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| 12:29.23 | abhi | does anyone face the theme problem when switching from kde to gnome and vice versa? |
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| 12:29.46 | Gnea | abhi: no, i stick with E17. |
| 12:29.54 | EdLin | sheldonh: glad you like it. At least for some applications. |
| 12:30.04 | quitte_ | it seems setconsole is not included in debian. what am i supposed to use instead? |
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| 12:30.17 | abhi | Gnea: ok |
| 12:30.32 | Gnea | gnome and kde are like SUVs, they require expensive resources in order to run and most people wind up getting frustrated with them in the end |
| 12:30.33 | itchi | abhi: Do you get that with the beryl stuff? Or just the plain DE? |
| 12:30.59 | abhi | itchi: I am using the plain DE.. |
| 12:31.11 | Gnea | i like fluxbox too |
| 12:31.34 | itchi | abhi: The beryl have that problem, i know |
| 12:31.38 | abhi | Gnea: but gnome and kde are more productive. |
| 12:31.40 | sheldonh | EdLin: thanks for the advice. my initial reaction was "damnit, this should work", but actually, i just want quick results :) |
| 12:31.57 | itchi | abhi: Realy not true |
| 12:32.13 | abhi | itchi: but I am facing the problem without beryl. |
| 12:32.21 | AlteKiet | why is postgresql installed in stead of mysql in a standard Debian distribution? |
| 12:32.33 | itchi | abhi: Configure fluxbox, with that i mean, define the keybindings; you control all the stuff with the keyboard, is much faster |
| 12:32.52 | EdLin | AlteKiet: it doesn't matter what the default is in standard. |
| 12:33.21 | abhi | itchi:is fluxbox given in dvd-1? |
| 12:33.39 | xand | does apache in debian honour /etc/hosts.{allow,deny}? |
| 12:33.40 | Gnea | hrm, it took real 4m57.506s to uncompress a bzip2'd tarball of the latest linux kernel source on a p4 laptop |
| 12:33.44 | itchi | abhi: What mean you? |
| 12:33.52 | Gnea | -rw-r--r-- 1 gnea gnea 250357760 2007-05-01 17:42 linux-2.6.20.11.tar |
| 12:34.03 | itchi | abhi: fluxbox sucks, with the 'default' config, theme, backgrounds and whatever |
| 12:34.14 | tarzeau | OMG * Add solaris support to ostable and triplettable. Closes: #361866 |
| 12:34.17 | tarzeau | http://changelogs.debian.net/dpkg |
| 12:34.22 | EdLin | itchi: the spiff theme is tolerable |
| 12:34.26 | abhi | itchi: ok, but I like kde. |
| 12:34.27 | tarzeau | debian gnu/solaris ? soon? |
| 12:34.28 | itchi | abhi: You need to 'tweak' it a bit, fetch 'the' themen you like of the fluxbox website |
| 12:34.34 | HymnToLife | Gnea, the latest is 2.6.21.1... |
| 12:34.39 | cydork | tarzeau: w00t! |
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| 12:34.55 | Gnea | HymnToLife: the latest... that i downloaded :) |
| 12:35.04 | EdLin | tarzeau: more like IanMurdock/Solaris |
| 12:35.17 | tarzeau | EdLin: you know there's nexenta already? |
| 12:35.19 | abhi | itchi: Is there any solution to the above problem? |
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| 12:35.21 | itchi | abhi: Once that done, you will love it much more as the other wm's and DE's :-p |
| 12:35.32 | itchi | abhi: Yup, run fluxbox :-p |
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| 12:35.35 | EdLin | tarzeau: nextenta is legally unsound and is not well updated. |
| 12:35.52 | abhi | itchi: ok I will try the fluxbox |
| 12:35.56 | EdLin | cydork: not going to happen unless Solaris ditches cddl |
| 12:35.57 | tarzeau | cydork, EdLin apropos, tried debian gnu/kfreebsd #gnu-kbsd yet? |
| 12:36.00 | AlteKiet | how can I make a certain drive to be assigned to the same /dev/xxx every time at boot? |
| 12:36.12 | tarzeau | EdLin: i know, i couldn't get it to work on real hw either :( |
| 12:36.17 | itchi | abhi: I may say to move your releted gnome or kde files. But dunno that much about gnome and kde, honesty |
| 12:36.22 | cydork | EdLin: that they will do.. :) |
| 12:36.36 | itchi | abhi: These in your ~ heh ;-) |
| 12:36.37 | cydork | tarzeau: yeah i did .. :) |
| 12:36.46 | Gnea | tarzeau: the fan on this system is crankin' |
| 12:36.53 | EdLin | cydork: they recently did a "community meeting" of some kind and the cddl fanboys won. |
| 12:36.55 | quitte_ | does debian gnu/kbsd run on top of the darwin kernel? |
| 12:37.04 | tarzeau | quitte_: no, freebsd kernel |
| 12:37.05 | itchi | abhi: Do not forget that fluxbox sucks, with the default config, theme, ... heh ;-) |
| 12:37.06 | abhi | itchi: :" |
| 12:37.07 | cydork | quitte_: nooo |
| 12:37.16 | tarzeau | quitte_: darwin kernel has not much drivers |
| 12:37.29 | cydork | quitte_: still i like the idea of darwin kernel and debian :P |
| 12:37.34 | EdLin | the darwin kernel is inferior except for MacOS compatibility and the like. |
| 12:37.38 | abhi | itchi: ok I will try to tweak it.. |
| 12:37.49 | tarzeau | EdLin: microkernels are nice |
| 12:37.49 | quitte_ | too bad. I'm seriously considering getting amac. i would love to have adebian/osx hybrid |
| 12:37.56 | Gnea | you know, i never did get around to trying out that one Display Manger that I can't remember the name of... |
| 12:38.02 | EdLin | tarzeau: yes, but Darwin uses Mach. |
| 12:38.08 | Gnea | one of you was ranting about it last year |
| 12:38.12 | tarzeau | EdLin: mach is nice |
| 12:38.15 | tarzeau | EdLin: just gnu mach not |
| 12:38.17 | quitte_ | Gnea: ion? |
| 12:38.21 | tarzeau | EdLin: nextstep and openstep had mach too |
| 12:38.27 | tarzeau | EdLin: and the shit is fucking rock solid |
| 12:38.29 | Gnea | quitte_: no... it was wired or something like that |
| 12:38.29 | itchi | abhi: Fetch a nice theme, and just define the keybindinds with 'fluxkeys' |
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| 12:38.42 | tarzeau | EdLin: remember oom on linux? |
| 12:38.42 | dutchfish | can anyone point me to a SBC that really does nice on debian and doesnt consume alot? |
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| 12:38.51 | EdLin | tarzeau: I've never had the privledge of running nextstep. |
| 12:39.03 | EdLin | tarzeau: oom? You like oom?! |
| 12:39.05 | tarzeau | EdLin: i have, albeit after the year 2000 |
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| 12:39.22 | Gnea | dutchfish: SBC is okay if you're close to the DSLAM... |
| 12:39.31 | abhi | itchi: can you give me a good theme? |
| 12:39.31 | tarzeau | this is fun, EdLin http://lwn.net/Articles/104179/ |
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| 12:39.56 | tarzeau | more precisely: http://lwn.net/Articles/104185/ |
| 12:39.57 | Gnea | dutchfish: sorry, i have no idea what you meant by 'SBC' |
| 12:40.00 | tarzeau | dpkg oom is also http://lwn.net/Articles/104185/ |
| 12:40.00 | dpkg | tarzeau: okay |
| 12:40.08 | dutchfish | Gnea, single board computer |
| 12:40.36 | itchi | abhi: See the screenshots http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/imgs/screenshots/fluxbox1.jpg up to ... |
| 12:40.52 | itchi | abhi: First are a bit hugly :-p |
| 12:40.57 | Gnea | dutchfish: mkay, still a bit vague.. do you mean with all the components built into the motherboard like video, ethernet, audio, usb, etc? |
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| 12:41.06 | itchi | ... And i lost the most beautiful fluxbox screenshots too, bah |
| 12:41.07 | dutchfish | Gnea, i am looking for one that can do native debian and doesnt consume alot of power |
| 12:41.28 | dutchfish | Gnea, only ethernet and serial (headless) |
| 12:41.29 | abhi | itchi:thanks,, I found that every debian system( ubuntu,debian) have problems when kde and gnome are installed in one system.. |
| 12:41.30 | EdLin | tarzeau: I agree wholeheartedly. :-) |
| 12:41.56 | Gnea | dutchfish: hrm, you may want to look into a risc system |
| 12:41.59 | Nielsen | itchi: can i get a copy of that wallpaper? |
| 12:42.05 | EdLin | tarzeau: oom is lousy. |
| 12:42.10 | itchi | Nielsen: Which one? |
| 12:42.13 | dutchfish | Gnea, its will be used fr home automation or alike |
| 12:42.18 | itchi | Nielsen: the left and right hands? |
| 12:42.22 | Nielsen | itchi: Linux / Windows yeah |
| 12:42.23 | EdLin | tarzeau: very funny analogy |
| 12:42.23 | sheldonh | is http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ up to date for etch? |
| 12:42.27 | h3sp4wn | dutchfish: http://www.soekris.com/net5501.htm (that has a geode) |
| 12:42.30 | Gnea | dutchfish: they use them mostly in africa to run on less power, such as off of solar panels |
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| 12:42.57 | itchi | Nielsen: Hold on |
| 12:42.59 | tarzeau | EdLin: indeed, i also had a good laugh |
| 12:43.23 | Nielsen | Gnea: try weeks |
| 12:43.26 | Gnea | not gonna happen |
| 12:43.33 | Nielsen | well, we can dream |
| 12:43.37 | EdLin | tarzeau: usually the first thing that goes is not the process eating memory, but something like X that takes everything else down with it. |
| 12:43.37 | Gnea | Nielsen: it's still unrealistic |
| 12:43.46 | Gnea | i'd rather not dream in that direction. |
| 12:43.58 | tarzeau | EdLin: x got quite much better with xorg, but still... |
| 12:44.07 | tarzeau | EdLin: remember xfree 3.3 ? |
| 12:44.15 | sheldonh | Gnea: very little solar power is used in nigeria |
| 12:44.17 | EdLin | tarzeau: modelines... ugh |
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| 12:44.27 | tarzeau | EdLin: hehe that wasn't even the worst |
| 12:44.47 | tarzeau | but don't get me started, x configuration on pc crap hardware... |
| 12:44.47 | Gnea | sheldonh: i can see why. |
| 12:44.47 | HyperDevi | i want to change the terminal screen resolution (i do not use X)... VGA in kernel header or something? |
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| 12:44.56 | tarzeau | keyboard doesn't know what layout it has. I HATE IBM! |
| 12:45.00 | sheldonh | Gnea: and in fact, it's mostly commodity x86 kit used in most african countries, because that's what's cheap |
| 12:45.08 | tarzeau | sun and apple keyboards do |
| 12:45.13 | guzu | adding nodma in menu.lst is not disabling dma so, where can i add hdparm -d0 instructions so that, after system is started, dma is disabled on ide devices? |
| 12:45.21 | dutchfish | i got my eye on this but i cant order it (wait time is more then 3 months) http://box.matto.nl/foxboard.html |
| 12:45.32 | tarzeau | !kbdbabel |
| 12:45.35 | Nielsen | oh how cute |
| 12:45.39 | Gnea | gpg: WARNING: signing subkey E6072B28 is not cross-certified |
| 12:45.48 | tarzeau | dpkg kbdbabel is http://kbdbabel.sf.net/ |
| 12:45.48 | dpkg | okay, tarzeau |
| 12:46.00 | itchi | Nielsen: http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/imgs/screenshots/Linux_Vs_Windows.jpg |
| 12:46.13 | tarzeau | EdLin: it's good x still supports modelines, i sometimes use 320x240 for games in fullscren |
| 12:46.20 | HyperDevi | i want to change the terminal screen resolution (i do not use X)... VGA in kernel header or something? |
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| 12:46.33 | sheldonh | right, now i need a sexy debianesque desktop wallpaper to impress the kids in the office tomorrow |
| 12:46.41 | Nielsen | itchi: snarfed, thanks |
| 12:46.43 | tarzeau | HyperDevi: use fbset or svgatextmode |
| 12:46.48 | itchi | Nielsen: No probs ;-) |
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| 12:46.57 | Gnea | itchi: the windows logo needs to be redone |
| 12:46.59 | tarzeau | sheldonh: kids of what age? |
| 12:47.10 | itchi | Gnea: No, cause it is on your left hand |
| 12:47.16 | sheldonh | tarzeau: 19-32 :) |
| 12:47.20 | EdLin | tarzeau: I can do that without modelines |
| 12:47.28 | Gnea | itchi: yes, because it has all of the artifacts after it :) |
| 12:47.29 | itchi | Gnea: The right hand, you put it on your hearth. With the left hand, i just clean my big ass :-p |
| 12:47.41 | Gnea | LOL |
| 12:47.44 | EdLin | tarzeau: kobodeluxe works fine here in that mode, or something similar. |
| 12:47.56 | itchi | Gnea: We need to both hands, anyway :-p |
| 12:48.01 | itchi | s/to/the/ |
| 12:48.24 | Gnea | man, i want one of those thingies that lets you type with my mind |
| 12:48.30 | Gnea | er |
| 12:48.34 | Gnea | lets me type with my mind |
| 12:48.35 | EdLin | tarzeau: you just need a monitor with a good multi frequency support |
| 12:48.45 | tarzeau | EdLin: i only have crap monitors :) |
| 12:48.56 | Gnea | i'll shave my head and use a braincap! |
| 12:48.57 | sheldonh | tarzeau: i might just use the background debian provides for kdm, actually |
| 12:49.01 | EdLin | 17" flat front CRT |
| 12:49.03 | itchi | Some dynamic brain wallpaper heh |
| 12:49.07 | tarzeau | EdLin: apropos monitors, how do you like this: http://gnu.ethz.ch/vgalamp/ |
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| 12:49.36 | tarzeau | EdLin: the three potentio meters correspond to r,g,b |
| 12:49.44 | mfrisch | sheldonh: you can use animation for backgrounds (it is easier with gdm) |
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| 12:49.56 | tarzeau | EdLin: and the vga pins for r,g,b have a limit of 0.7A i think, but you can put more on it and the screen glows bright :) |
| 12:49.59 | tarzeau | that's really funny |
| 12:50.00 | Gnea | gah, lzma is still taking a longass time |
| 12:50.34 | sheldonh | mfrisch: i don't mean the wallpaper has to impress. i just want something that says "there's debian on this laptop", so they ask "hey, how long did that take you?" and i can say "oh, a few hours" :) |
| 12:50.46 | Gnea | it's been well over 10 minutes since i started compressing that tarfile |
| 12:50.54 | Gnea | bzip2 would be done by now |
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| 12:51.13 | mfrisch | sheldonh: thats easy...the defaults just have the logo swirl |
| 12:51.26 | tarzeau | Gnea: just use lzma without -9 or a parameter |
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| 12:51.36 | tarzeau | Gnea: besides if you also unpacked it, lzma would be faster probably :)_ |
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| 12:52.05 | Gnea | tarzeau: i'm trying trying to compress a .tar of the kernel source :) |
| 12:52.17 | tarzeau | Gnea: checked my scripts? |
| 12:52.18 | Gnea | er, just trying... i can't type worth a damn today |
| 12:52.24 | tarzeau | Gnea: gnu.ethz.ch/lzma/linux/ see makefile |
| 12:52.24 | Gnea | uh, no |
| 12:52.35 | itchi | tarzeau: Heh, is the monitor still working? :-) |
| 12:52.44 | tarzeau | itchi: yes, isn't it cool? without computer |
| 12:53.00 | tarzeau | itchi: i want to build them in small , for a keyring |
| 12:53.08 | tarzeau | itchi: i mean you'd be THE MAN at parties |
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| 12:53.20 | xand | is it safe to resume a partially-scp-ed file with wget -c and http? |
| 12:53.21 | tarzeau | itchi: "hey baby what color do you want?" |
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| 12:53.26 | itchi | tarzeau: hehe |
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| 12:53.30 | Rusty1_ | http://www.picotux.com/ <<- dutchfish |
| 12:53.31 | Gnea | tarzeau: okay, well the whole time issue is what i'm going for here |
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| 12:53.41 | itchi | tarzeau: A pink for this night :-p |
| 12:53.41 | xoz | xand: yes |
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| 12:53.52 | dutchfish | Rusty1_, cool! thx |
| 12:54.00 | xoz | xand: ah. scpd? |
| 12:54.19 | tarzeau | Out of memory: Killed process 3060 (bash). THANK YOU |
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| 12:55.36 | xand | xoz: scpd? |
| 12:55.40 | Gnea | real 2m1.585s |
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| 12:55.49 | itchi | tarzeau: The http://gnu.ethz.ch/DEBIAN/ download that the package and show it the content of it? |
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| 12:55.57 | tarzeau | itchi: more or less, yes |
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| 12:56.01 | dutchfish | Rusty1_, but is has uclinux instead of debian :( |
| 12:56.04 | tarzeau | itchi: really it's just some ugly hack, don't use |
| 12:56.10 | Gnea | -rw-r--r-- 1 gnea gnea 49866792 2007-05-01 17:42 linux-2.6.20.11.tar.lzma |
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| 12:56.18 | xoz | xand: you use scp first? i doubt. if you cut the download of wget and continue it, i think it is ok. |
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| 12:56.18 | itchi | tarzeau: It is not a bad idea, i find |
| 12:56.26 | Gnea | tarzeau: this is...disturbing |
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| 12:57.04 | Gnea | tarzeau: that's nearly twice as large as the .tar.bz2 was |
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| 12:57.28 | Gnea | lzma is crap. |
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| 12:57.56 | tarzeau | Gnea: something went wrong |
| 12:57.57 | azeem | Gnea: did you make clean first? ;) |
| 12:58.09 | tarzeau | Gnea: linux-2.6.21.1.tar.lzma 28-Apr-2007 03:06 35.4M |
| 12:58.26 | liable | hrm, new dsa for .18 but no package |
| 12:58.30 | Gnea | tarzeau: i ran it like this: time lzma -1 linux-2.6.20.11.tar |
| 12:58.44 | tarzeau | Gnea: i said don't say -1 or -9, drop the -n |
| 12:58.49 | tarzeau | Gnea: read man lzma |
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| 12:58.52 | Gnea | tarzeau: the first time i ran it without any args |
| 12:59.55 | markybob | liable: of course there are |
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| 13:00.08 | markybob | liable: http://www.debian.org/security/2007/dsa-1286 |
| 13:00.21 | tarzeau | Gnea: rzip is same speed like bzip2 in compression, and 4 times faster than uncompressing, and compresses between bz2 and lzma good |
| 13:00.36 | tarzeau | Gnea: so debian defaulting to rzip or lzma would be better than bz2 |
| 13:00.40 | guzu | !irc clients etch |
| 13:00.50 | guzu | hm |
| 13:01.01 | Gnea | tarzeau: it shouldn't take 5 times as long though |
| 13:01.08 | xoz | guzu: use find |
| 13:01.15 | guzu | xoz, thnx |
| 13:01.29 | tarzeau | Gnea: lzma is just half the speed of bzip2 .. |
| 13:01.29 | HyperDevi | i want to change the terminal screen resolution (i do not use X)... VGA in kernel header or something? i need: 1280x1024 |
| 13:01.49 | tarzeau | Gnea: if bzip2 needs 1 minute to compress a fie, lzma needs 2 minutes (not exactly a bit less) |
| 13:02.04 | Gnea | tarzeau: i thought you said it was faster |
| 13:02.09 | xoz | HyperDevi: xrandr |
| 13:02.11 | xand | HyperDevi: I should think you want framebuffer |
| 13:02.12 | tarzeau | HyperDevi: fbset or svgatextmode |
| 13:02.17 | tarzeau | xoz: he don't use x |
| 13:02.26 | tarzeau | Gnea: with uncompressing, it is |
| 13:02.26 | xoz | hehe |
| 13:02.35 | tarzeau | Gnea: compressing != uncompressing |
| 13:02.47 | tarzeau | Gnea: is like when you put the stuff into a bag it takes more time |
| 13:02.52 | tarzeau | Gnea: than opening the gift packages |
| 13:02.52 | Gnea | tarzeau: ah ok |
| 13:02.53 | abhi | can anyone tell me how to wmv in kaffeine. |
| 13:03.01 | Gnea | yeah, uncompressing is massively fast |
| 13:03.11 | tarzeau | Gnea: depends what you're unpacking |
| 13:03.17 | liable | markybob: i am talking about 1289-1 |
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| 13:03.28 | Gnea | tarzeau: yeah, good analogy |
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| 13:03.57 | xoz | law of thermodynamics, distraction is more natural than construction. construction requires more energy. the tendency of things is toward decay.... |
| 13:04.21 | Gnea | brush your teeth! |
| 13:04.23 | Gnea | and floss!! |
| 13:04.25 | HyperDevi | tarzeau: that does not change the res but the size of the fonts.. |
| 13:04.33 | tarzeau | HyperDevi: that's not true |
| 13:04.33 | h3sp4wn | HyperDevi: vga=794 |
| 13:04.37 | tarzeau | HyperDevi: you're just using them wrong |
| 13:04.44 | tarzeau | HyperDevi: both can change the resolution |
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| 13:04.54 | xoz | and brushing requires more energy |
| 13:04.55 | tarzeau | HyperDevi: read the manuals |
| 13:05.06 | Gnea | shut up and eat a snickers |
| 13:05.17 | tarzeau | Gnea: i wish i had a snickers now |
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| 13:05.23 | Gnea | heh] |
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| 13:05.27 | xoz | what is the problem of this fuctard |
| 13:05.33 | markybob | liable: for what? 686? |
| 13:06.04 | liable | markybob: the new kernel is etch2 |
| 13:06.40 | markybob | liable: i dont get your point. there are deb packages for them. i see them. |
| 13:07.14 | liable | markybob: there are images, but the link you gave was an old one |
| 13:07.17 | liable | markybob: http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-image-2.6.18-4-686_2.6.18.dfsg.1-12etch2_i386.deb |
| 13:07.46 | liable | markybob: but the packages.gz must be updated yet |
| 13:07.51 | liable | mustnt |
| 13:08.05 | vyrus001 | how do i control what debian does on bootup? |
| 13:08.37 | Gnea | vyrus001: type the correct commands. |
| 13:08.37 | tarzeau | vyrus001: /etc/init.d/* |
| 13:08.45 | markybob | vyrus001: man update-rc.d |
| 13:09.34 | vyrus001 | hm, let me as a more direct question... i have a kernel that is monolithic, yet my boot sequance atempts to load sevral modules... how can i stop this? |
| 13:10.28 | markybob | not smoking weed would be a decent start. blacklisting the modules you dont want loaded would also be good |
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| 13:11.47 | vyrus001 | markybob, is there a way to black list all of them ? |
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| 13:12.39 | xoz | vyrus001: are you sure the kernel wll still function if you remove *all* of them? |
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| 13:13.13 | vyrus001 | xoz, yes |
| 13:13.19 | vyrus001 | my kernel does not use modules |
| 13:13.19 | markybob | vyrus001: you can do whatever you want... add them to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist using "install module_name /bin/true" |
| 13:13.26 | tarzeau | vyrus001: sure it's not in /etc/modules ? |
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| 13:14.25 | sn0 | hey peeps anyone using pidgin? wondering about pidgin-otr now that gaim has renaimed (gaim-otr doesnt work in pidgin) |
| 13:14.51 | wintix | sn0: ask #pidgin |
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| 13:15.07 | tarzeau | sn0: no peeps in here |
| 13:15.35 | markybob | sn0: which platform? |
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| 13:15.55 | markybob | sn0 http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=pidgin-otr |
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| 13:16.33 | guzu__ | hm |
| 13:16.41 | solemnwarning | Why does postfix require xpdf, x11-common and a ton of other stuff that has no relation to an MTA? |
| 13:16.50 | guzu__ | now i have xchat on this oldie :) |
| 13:16.56 | solemnwarning | Like emacs and gsfonts |
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| 13:17.44 | solemnwarning | erm, lemme rephrase |
| 13:17.55 | solemnwarning | Why does it need that if I use aptitude? :| |
| 13:18.14 | solemnwarning | apt-get doesn't install a load of crap with it |
| 13:18.42 | EdLin | solemnwarning: change aptiude's default to not install "reccomended" packages. |
| 13:18.54 | solemnwarning | Which config file is that? |
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| 13:19.34 | EdLin | solemnwarning: man aptitude |
| 13:19.50 | sn0 | arr when did that slip in, thanks markybob + wintix , checked at the weekend :] |
| 13:20.28 | sn0 | why does sid not find it , strange |
| 13:20.42 | sn0 | oh no i386 only, thats why |
| 13:20.53 | sn0 | ok so another question, when will that move to i386 also ? :] |
| 13:21.11 | Gnea | real 14m23.259s |
| 13:21.13 | EdLin | sn0: are you sure you're in the right channel? |
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| 13:21.32 | Gnea | tarzeau: ok, i can see the benefit now |
| 13:21.39 | sn0 | EdLim on packages.debian.org it has amd64/ia64 and kfreebsd-i386 debs, but not vanilla i386 |
| 13:21.46 | sn0 | im using sid |
| 13:22.00 | sn0 | i guess ill mail thibaut varene |
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| 13:22.04 | azeem | sn0: no |
| 13:22.07 | tarzeau | Gnea: :) |
| 13:22.09 | azeem | sn0: what package is that? |
| 13:22.20 | sn0 | azeem http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/pidgin-otr |
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| 13:22.34 | itchi | tarzeau: You was on Fosdem 2007? |
| 13:22.34 | sn0 | maybe i386 will be uploaded soon |
| 13:22.39 | azeem | sn0: it will, yes |
| 13:22.43 | azeem | be patient |
| 13:22.58 | tarzeau | itchi: sure, gnu.ethz.ch/photos/fosdem2007/ you? |
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| 13:23.03 | azeem | and Mr. Varene won't upload it anyway, so no use in mailing him |
| 13:23.04 | sn0 | azeem i am/will be :-) |
| 13:23.11 | sn0 | thx, ill save the email then |
| 13:23.13 | itchi | tarzeau: Yeah, man, you had to tell it |
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| 13:23.29 | tarzeau | itchi: man i told so in here before i went... i met RichiH there |
| 13:23.30 | sn0 | while im here, know anything about thunderbird2/icedove2 packages entering azeem ? |
| 13:23.34 | itchi | tarzeau: I have find your on a fosdem pic i think :-) |
| 13:23.36 | tarzeau | itchi: and toresbe at vcfe.org |
| 13:23.39 | azeem | no |
| 13:23.43 | itchi | wtf, shit |
| 13:23.45 | sn0 | h'ok thanks |
| 13:23.46 | tarzeau | itchi: which one are you? on what foto? |
| 13:24.02 | tarzeau | itchi: azeem was there too |
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| 13:24.16 | itchi | tarzeau: I think that this pic is you :-p http://gnu.ethz.ch/photos/fosdem2007/slides/p2250177.html |
| 13:24.43 | itchi | Man, next year, we made a irc user list heh |
| 13:24.52 | tarzeau | itchi: yes right, a horrible one. sam and his gnaa man jylam was there as well |
| 13:25.19 | itchi | tarzeau: aaaa, i cry man, i cry |
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| 13:25.56 | itchi | tarzeau: Next year, you know what heh |
| 13:26.02 | torrr | is there a way to monitor communication with the printer port? |
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| 13:26.25 | claudio` | Does rxvt-unicode-lite provide the ISO 14755 support? |
| 13:26.27 | tarzeau | itchi: there's many other meetings before, no. where are you located? |
| 13:26.43 | itchi | tarzeau: Arround Brussels |
| 13:27.56 | claudio` | yes :\ |
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| 13:28.17 | claudio` | Can't i disable this support without recompile the package ``by hand''? |
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| 13:29.06 | xoz | torrr: you mean sniff the line? |
| 13:29.32 | torrr | yes |
| 13:29.37 | torrr | xoz |
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| 13:30.31 | torrr | xoz: I have a pci LPT card, and I think maybe it is slow or something |
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| 13:30.42 | torrr | xoz I want to check it |
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| 13:31.54 | eMish | From where can I get skype that works on debian4 ? |
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| 13:32.34 | Nielsen | eMish: the one on skype.com works fine |
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| 13:32.41 | eMish | hmmm |
| 13:32.55 | eMish | i am getting problem with libstdc++.so.5 |
| 13:33.12 | Nielsen | did you install libstdc++.so.5 ? |
| 13:33.38 | markybob | apt-get install libstdc++5 |
| 13:33.45 | solemnwarning | If I send SIGHUP to syslog will any syslog clients be disconnected? |
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| 13:34.19 | markybob | eMish: for official debs, add "deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free" to sources.list |
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| 13:34.59 | markybob | hrm. guess that factoid is broken |
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| 13:35.27 | eMish | why |
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| 13:36.05 | markybob | 404 |
| 13:36.13 | Nielsen | http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-linux-deb |
| 13:36.21 | xoz | torrr: seems no tool is available for that |
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| 13:39.37 | xoz | torrr: http://www.epanorama.net/circuits/parallel_output.html |
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| 13:43.18 | _syphilis_ | how do i make fontconfig use pcf fonts from /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc? it examines that directory but finds no fonts |
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| 13:43.39 | torrr | xoz, thanks, reading |
| 13:44.19 | xoz | torrr: you'll need to do some compilation... |
| 13:44.45 | sheldonh | what does a capital A mean next to a package name in aptitude? |
| 13:45.31 | xingu | _syphilis_: have you tried reading usr/share/doc/fontconfig/README.Debian ? |
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| 13:46.27 | _syphilis_ | xingu: ah, ic. thanks |
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| 13:49.40 | guzu | thanks everybody and good luck |
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| 13:53.57 | Av1ator | how do i use apt to automatically install recommended packages? |
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| 13:55.27 | itchi | Av1ator: You should make use of aptitude and read the manual of aptitude |
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| 13:56.13 | sheldonh | man, i wish i'd found "6.4 Debian nirvana commands" a long time ago |
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| 13:57.35 | hac | I've got X setup along with e17 or gnome without desktop manager, but X isn't letting me drop to console by the use of ctrl-alt-f1-4. It just goes to a black screen and I can't even get it to go back to X after doing this. If any config files would help diagnosing the problem please let me know. |
| 13:57.46 | sheldonh | does apt have something like gentoo's depclean, which looks for packages that were installed as dependencies, but now aren't needed? |
| 13:58.23 | mutantpineapple | you could try deborphan? |
| 13:58.24 | azeem | hac: which video driver? |
| 13:58.39 | hac | <azeem> well I use ati radeon free driver |
| 13:58.39 | azeem | hac: does it work with a regular KDE or Gnome session? |
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| 13:59.33 | hac | <azeem> u mean with gdm active? |
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| 13:59.51 | azeem | hac: for example |
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| 14:00.31 | Nielsen | Have I provided enough comments? |
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| 14:01.33 | xoz | Av1ator: --recommends | --without-recommends |
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| 14:01.54 | hac | <azeem> I remember that long time ago it has worked with gdm active,but now not. |
| 14:03.08 | Av1ator | xoz: like this? sudo apt-get --recommends install package |
| 14:04.20 | xoz | Av1ator: sudo aptitude --recommends install ........ default for aptitude is install recommends, use -R to disable recomments. apt-get default is without recommends |
| 14:04.32 | DaveyB | I am having a serious blonde day. What do I need to add to my repositories to get this file? |
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| 14:04.45 | xoz | Av1ator: use apt-get install, then it will not install recommends |
| 14:04.45 | sheldonh | mutantpineapple: not bad. odd that it'd pick up libsasl2, given that postfix needs it, but other than that, i like. thanks! |
| 14:05.09 | xoz | Av1ator: but aptitude install foo, will install recommends |
| 14:05.12 | phogg | Av1ator: aptitude installs recommends by default, if I recall correctly. You can probably set apt to do this by default in apt.conf |
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| 14:05.25 | mutantpineapple | sheldonh: it isn't perfect ;) glad it's useful though |
| 14:06.17 | Av1ator | xoz: thanks |
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| 14:07.03 | xoz | Av1ator: and you may need to read this: http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/wiki/Aptitude_-_using_together_with_Synaptic_and_Apt-get |
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| 14:10.21 | Av1ator | xoz: thanks, been googling for half a day o_O |
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| 14:11.27 | athame | how do i upgrade the kernel of etch to 2.6.20.x? |
| 14:11.40 | xoz | Av1ator: in some cases, you may need feta which supports more advance cli function for package management. many tricks to clean your system from unneccessary packages/configs |
| 14:11.40 | Nielsen | compile it yourself |
| 14:12.13 | athame | Nielsen, using the 'make' method? how do i 'shift' to it after its installed? |
| 14:12.19 | marsje | I have a question... When I upgrade my kernel using a apt-get upgrade, the grub menu.lst is rebuilt. Where does this script get its information from, because it seems to be wrong (wrong partition!) |
| 14:12.22 | athame | i'm slightly on the noobish side |
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| 14:12.56 | xoz | marsje: man update-grub or grub-update |
| 14:13.25 | athame | thank you, Nielsen |
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| 14:13.41 | marsje | ok |
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| 14:16.08 | Av1ator | xoz: feta??? |
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| 14:16.37 | xoz | !feta |
| 14:16.37 | dpkg | [feta] a Front-End To Apt. (http://www.sacredchao.net/software/feta/index.shtml), or cheese made from goat's milk |
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| 14:16.58 | valdyn | marsje: its modified using content within menu.lst, see the line with #kopt |
| 14:17.22 | marsje | valdyn: I see it now.. I just thought it was a bunch of comments, but it's actually used by the script |
| 14:17.48 | marsje | let me try to reboot... |
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| 14:20.50 | henry_nicolas | Hello everybody, will we soonly get the openjdk on the apt ? is there any developpement in this way ? |
| 14:21.04 | valdyn | henry_nicolas: what's openjdk? |
| 14:21.29 | henry_nicolas | valdyn : the free version of the sun sdk |
| 14:22.00 | xoz | sun is opening up... i hope it is now for *real* |
| 14:22.01 | henry_nicolas | which has been released a few day ago |
| 14:22.22 | valdyn | as far as i know its not even complete |
| 14:22.32 | valdyn | ( or that is at least what sun said ) |
| 14:23.04 | valdyn | so im not sure packaging it makes that much sense |
| 14:23.45 | henry_nicolas | they say that java.sound and some font package aren't already free, but all the other part are |
| 14:23.54 | henry_nicolas | *javax.sound sorry |
| 14:24.01 | valdyn | i see |
| 14:25.23 | xoz | javafx is https://openjfx.dev.java.net/ |
| 14:25.30 | xoz | !javafx is https://openjfx.dev.java.net/ |
| 14:25.30 | dpkg | okay, xoz |
| 14:25.54 | _syphilis_ | what is the right way to change another package's debconf values, and configure it, from a preinst/postinst? |
| 14:26.13 | tarzeau | _syphilis_: dump the debconfs, change them, import them? |
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| 14:26.25 | tarzeau | _syphilis_: don't do this in preinst/postinst |
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| 14:26.36 | _syphilis_ | where should i do it? |
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| 14:35.14 | _syphilis_ | there doesn't seem to be much documentation on this; all the debconf docs are about configuring your own package. |
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| 14:41.58 | azeem | _syphilis_: you're not supposed to much with other package's debconf data, of course |
| 14:42.06 | azeem | s/much/muck/ |
| 14:42.21 | _syphilis_ | yeah; but in this case it's a metapackage for our site, so it doesn't seem so bad |
| 14:42.26 | _syphilis_ | (it configures a server for a particular task) |
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| 14:45.04 | tarzeau | _syphilis_: we use dphys-config for such things @werk for our site |
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| 14:48.01 | HostilePenguin | when does debian start using swap during install? after the partition is made or after reboot? |
| 14:48.06 | lassy | is there a way to download a new kernel for my debian box in binary form? |
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| 14:49.52 | Nielsen | HostilePenguin: i believe it starts using it as soon as the partition is ready for use |
| 14:50.04 | HostilePenguin | ty |
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| 14:50.29 | Nielsen | i recall swapon being called |
| 14:50.40 | tarzeau | IF you make a swap partition |
| 14:51.04 | Nielsen | quite right |
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| 14:51.45 | HostilePenguin | 64m of ram on this rig i need some swap |
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| 14:53.05 | knightwoLF | atleast anyone else getting this error :( |
| 14:53.24 | lassy | is there a way to authenticate a user using only a USB stick? |
| 14:53.44 | lassy | like dude plugs the stick in and he is authenticated |
| 14:54.39 | HostilePenguin | why not |
| 14:55.05 | HostilePenguin | like fingerprint verification |
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| 14:55.48 | tarzeau | lassy: you can run whatever you want when any usb device is in... |
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| 14:56.05 | lassy | any pointers on how to implement that? I have gotten as far as using USB sticks to contain the keys for encrypted partitions but tough luck on getting auto-athentication :( |
| 14:56.40 | asg | lassy: I'd look at the implementation of the various libpam-* smartcard type modules and hack one together |
| 14:56.40 | HostilePenguin | do you know ruby? |
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| 14:57.11 | lassy | not really :( |
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| 14:57.13 | tarzeau | lassy: i can make one on monday and show you |
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| 14:57.18 | tarzeau | lassy: are you here on monday? |
| 14:57.28 | tarzeau | lassy: today is not a work day, but join me playing bub-n-bros.sf.net if you want :) |
| 14:57.35 | lassy | yes, this can be arranged |
| 14:57.49 | lassy | i will be here monday, same time :-) |
| 14:57.56 | shingouz | tarzeau: bub-n-bros is your work? :p |
| 14:58.00 | perlmonkey | do you guys think it's possible to use an IrDA port on a laptop to change a tv channel? |
| 14:58.08 | tarzeau | shingouz: bah of course not |
| 14:58.15 | shingouz | :p |
| 14:58.17 | tarzeau | lassy: great, i'll be here 8 hours before... european time |
| 14:58.22 | perlmonkey | hi |
| 14:58.40 | tarzeau | lassy: do you somehow know what user it is, from information on the stick? |
| 14:58.55 | lassy | ok listen, this computer is aimed towards my parents |
| 14:59.06 | shingouz | perlmonkey: i am not sure but i seem to remember there was a project for just that. if you get the protocols right, it should be doable |
| 14:59.10 | lassy | so i want to save them the fuss of having to login etc |
| 14:59.40 | lassy | on the other hand, i do want this box to have some security so leaving it passwordless is a no-go option |
| 14:59.46 | perlmonkey | shingouz: cool, I have been looking at the Linux IrDA howto and the Linux Irc projects, but its all very confusing :-/ |
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| 14:59.49 | tarzeau | lassy: but that's easier done w/ kiosk mode |
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| 15:00.00 | tarzeau | lassy: www.linuks.mine.nu/kiosk/ |
| 15:00.04 | christia1 | hey there.. i got a question (not using debian) |
| 15:00.04 | perlmonkey | so far I have my driver modules installed but Irc doesnt seem to be working |
| 15:00.11 | lassy | thanks, ill have a look there |
| 15:00.26 | christia1 | when I install debian, am i then supposed to choose windowmanager myself, or is there a default one? |
| 15:00.30 | shingouz | perlmonkey: it sure is especially if you want to make it control the tv. i have absolutely no idea what kinds of protocols the remotes use |
| 15:00.31 | HostilePenguin | you dont like debian or somthing christia? |
| 15:00.52 | HostilePenguin | just do a net install |
| 15:01.01 | christia1 | didnt try it :) Only Ubuntu..which is based on debina |
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| 15:01.06 | perlmonkey | shingouz: :-/ I thought there would be a utility in Linux which can detect the codes/record them from a remote control |
| 15:01.07 | xitron | christia1, normal debian install gnome but what do you mean? |
| 15:01.08 | tarzeau | !debina |
| 15:01.08 | dpkg | debina is, like, debian when you're typing too fast, or see "debain" |
| 15:01.30 | shingouz | perlmonkey: beats me... did you try google? |
| 15:01.35 | perlmonkey | ya |
| 15:01.45 | christia1 | xitron: just asked, if in a clean install i was supposed to install windowmanager myself? |
| 15:01.53 | perlmonkey | I think I need to do my hardware setup properly first |
| 15:01.55 | shingouz | perlmonkey: and google turned op nothing useable i guess |
| 15:02.02 | tarzeau | shingouz: join, it's really fun. we're 3 dragons |
| 15:02.04 | shingouz | probably, perlmonkey |
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| 15:02.17 | xitron | christia1, if you use netinstall to install it and don't select the x then you are supossed to isntall it on your own |
| 15:02.22 | sheldonh | hmmm. dictd suggests dict-wn, which is unavailable. i take it this has been renamed to wordnet-data? |
| 15:02.35 | shingouz | tarzeau: maybe, maybe... depends on if i have time for it today. you belch fire too? |
| 15:02.37 | christia1 | xitron: okay, cool |
| 15:02.38 | christia1 | thanks |
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| 15:02.50 | tarzeau | shingouz: no just bubbles |
| 15:02.54 | xitron | christia1, if you only install the really necasery things then you don't have xorg |
| 15:02.58 | xitron | christia1, np |
| 15:03.02 | christia1 | ol |
| 15:03.03 | christia1 | ok |
| 15:03.07 | shingouz | tarzeau: hehe. neat |
| 15:03.10 | lassy | btw, i guess it is old news but if you setup a linux box properly, the end user has no problem using it for day to day tasks, like this is the first time my parents are using a computer |
| 15:03.13 | christia1 | but Xitron, didn't i see you on ArchLinux? |
| 15:03.15 | perlmonkey | i discovered something interesting, digital cameras can see infrared light from remote controls |
| 15:03.16 | christia1 | irc |
| 15:03.25 | perlmonkey | it shows as white light |
| 15:03.30 | xitron | christia1, possible :D I use alot of distro's |
| 15:03.38 | xitron | but the most is debian |
| 15:03.47 | shingouz | perlmonkey: true and they see it a lot better if you remove the ir filter from the camera |
| 15:03.48 | HostilePenguin | i tried to get arch installed today |
| 15:03.54 | christia1 | kewl, i think you helped me once ;) |
| 15:03.54 | xitron | and? |
| 15:03.56 | perlmonkey | shingouz: cool |
| 15:03.58 | christia1 | there |
| 15:04.04 | HostilePenguin | no go kernel panic |
| 15:04.09 | xitron | lol |
| 15:04.11 | tarzeau | shingouz: we only play at certain times, i might not be in later |
| 15:04.12 | HostilePenguin | old box |
| 15:04.26 | christia1 | i run arch.. runs perfectly, very great dist |
| 15:04.40 | christia1 | although it's only v 0.8 |
| 15:04.42 | xitron | but not user friendly with installation |
| 15:04.46 | perlmonkey | everything around us is giving off infrared light waves eh |
| 15:04.50 | shingouz | tarzeau: ok. right now i am seriously thinking of doing an apt-get install food on myself, i just got home from $ORK |
| 15:04.51 | perlmonkey | but we just cant see it |
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| 15:05.08 | christia1 | i found it not quite hard.. but NOT as easy as ubuntu as example |
| 15:05.18 | xitron | yea :-) ubuntu is KIDZ |
| 15:05.19 | shingouz | perlmonkey: pretty much although the cameras cannot see body heat, the frequency is quite wrong for that |
| 15:05.21 | christia1 | yeah. |
| 15:05.32 | xitron | ubuntu -> click install to install :D |
| 15:05.45 | lassy | linux is linux, flaming a popular distro is counter productive |
| 15:05.54 | christia1 | everything in ubuntu is just "point'n'click" |
| 15:06.02 | xitron | christia1, yea |
| 15:06.10 | tarzeau | christia1: that was their goal after all |
| 15:06.15 | HostilePenguin | 2mb verge video card 600mghz celeron 64m ram triple drives arch said no no |
| 15:06.17 | lassy | if you do not like it, don't use it |
| 15:06.27 | tarzeau | christia1: it's good there's ubuntu, so people don't have to waste money on suse and redhat anymore |
| 15:06.29 | christia1 | yeah.. a good goal in many ways.. ubuntu was the first distro i installed on my computer.. |
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| 15:06.47 | lassy | ubuntu is a pretty solid effort and has driven the community forward a lot in terms of getting new users |
| 15:06.55 | christia1 | true |
| 15:06.58 | xitron | yes |
| 15:07.05 | xitron | it's good for new linux users |
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| 15:07.16 | pngwn | and off topic in here |
| 15:07.24 | HostilePenguin | i uses ubuntu because i cant see ruining a debian install with games and flash and other junk |
| 15:07.26 | christia1 | i also like ubuntu pretty much, but i just prefer Arch now.. i feel i've got more control of the system now.. |
| 15:07.46 | xitron | christia1, true debian also more control of the system |
| 15:07.50 | christia1 | especially because i used Kubuntu.. that sucks, very unstable.. unfortunately.. because the gnome version is pretty stable. |
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| 15:08.41 | HostilePenguin | this rig i have ubuntu 7.04, debian etch and elive all on their own drives |
| 15:09.00 | lassy | i have an ubuntu on my main box |
| 15:09.05 | lassy | and debian on this laptop |
| 15:09.11 | christia1 | yeah.. |
| 15:09.17 | lassy | i have used other distros too, im pretty happy with both |
| 15:09.22 | gejr | arch is my "top want to try" distros. But I haven't figured out how to install X on it, so i'm pretty helpless :) |
| 15:09.46 | HostilePenguin | lol gentoo seems tough i never was even brave enough to try it |
| 15:09.47 | christia1 | last linux i had on my desktop was Mandriva.. it's okay, but i don't like all these "buy mandriva" ads :P |
| 15:09.54 | christia1 | But now i use Arch on my laptop.. |
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| 15:10.08 | xitron | christia1, you have x? |
| 15:10.14 | christia1 | xorg? yeah |
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| 15:10.19 | christia1 | running KDE right now.. |
| 15:10.19 | xitron | ok |
| 15:10.25 | xitron | ba kde |
| 15:10.31 | gejr | how do you install a running gnome on arch? |
| 15:10.38 | christia1 | pacman -S gnome |
| 15:10.43 | xitron | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:10.57 | christia1 | xitron, i also use WindowMaker or fluxbox |
| 15:11.01 | christia1 | like them a lot |
| 15:11.04 | xitron | christia1, ok :D |
| 15:11.11 | christia1 | gejr: pacman -S gnome |
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| 15:11.23 | xitron | I use ion3, wmii and if I wan't something more graphical xfce4 |
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| 15:11.38 | christia1 | xfce looks great, but i never tried it |
| 15:11.44 | gejr | christia1: that's all? :S |
| 15:11.51 | gejr | no need to download xorg first ++ ? |
| 15:11.57 | christia1 | oh, you didn't? |
| 15:12.07 | christia1 | then pacman -S xorg |
| 15:12.13 | gejr | so to get a working gnome |
| 15:12.26 | gejr | first: pacman -S xorg, and then pacman -S gnome ? |
| 15:12.31 | christia1 | and pacman -S hwd, after installing xorg.. it should make a pretty good workin xorg.conf for you. |
| 15:12.52 | gejr | what does hwd do? |
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| 15:13.08 | christia1 | or if you wanna configure xorg yourself, you say "xorgconfig".. but you need to know your hardware.. i did it in that way, and runs fine here.. |
| 15:13.26 | xitron | duh :p |
| 15:13.29 | xitron | duh :p |
| 15:13.34 | xitron | ow soz for twice |
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| 15:13.44 | shingouz | christia1: we do it with dpkg-reconfigure |
| 15:13.52 | christia1 | on deb? |
| 15:13.57 | shingouz | christia1: yes |
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| 15:14.18 | christia1 | ok.. |
| 15:14.19 | lord_rob | christia1: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 15:14.32 | sheldonh | hmmm, wordnet-data ain't it |
| 15:14.40 | sheldonh | anyone know why dict-wn has been dropped from stable? |
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| 15:14.57 | christia1 | but Xitron, i go to school with a Gentoo developer in my class.. he also uses ion3.. |
| 15:15.23 | xitron | christia1, that's nice :-) |
| 15:15.27 | christia1 | yep |
| 15:15.28 | shingouz | speaking of xfce, anyone there with the deb for i386 xfce version 3.8.18-2.1? i have apparently lost the darn package somewhere and it is not in the archives anymore? |
| 15:15.38 | xitron | christia1, where you come from? |
| 15:15.45 | christia1 | Denmark.. you? |
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| 15:15.50 | xitron | belgium |
| 15:15.53 | christia1 | ok.. |
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| 15:16.24 | asg | shingouz: snapshot.debian.net (if it's an old version you are looking for) |
| 15:17.00 | christia1 | will it be a stupid idea, having both gnome and kde installed on same dist? |
| 15:17.13 | shingouz | asg: snapshot has apparently had a disk crash and 3.8.18-2.1 which is the latest 3.8 version is completely gone |
| 15:17.16 | HostilePenguin | do you want kde and gnome? |
| 15:17.21 | xitron | christia1, no in kde there are nice programs and gnome also |
| 15:17.27 | christia1 | would like to try.. |
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| 15:17.36 | HostilePenguin | i had them both |
| 15:17.48 | HostilePenguin | im waiting for new kde oct 23 |
| 15:17.49 | christia1 | @xitron, ok |
| 15:17.58 | christia1 | me2 :) |
| 15:17.58 | asg | shingouz: ah, okay |
| 15:18.11 | christia1 | thats gonna be great |
| 15:18.12 | shingouz | xfce4 has too much bling for me |
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| 15:18.20 | christia1 | hehe |
| 15:18.25 | HostilePenguin | enlightenment has some bling |
| 15:18.27 | itchi | Is there already a fix for the error W: unsupported proxy `false' of the apt-listbugs? |
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| 15:18.35 | schme | ion3 has too much bling. |
| 15:18.36 | shingouz | bling is bad |
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| 15:18.50 | xitron | schme, wtf it's a black screen were you can open windows :s |
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| 15:19.18 | christia1 | haha bling |
| 15:19.21 | asg | xitron: compared to just running screen in console, I guess once could say it has bling |
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| 15:19.39 | schme | xitron: Yes. And you can put several windows in the same frame and whatnot. Sheesh. |
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| 15:19.45 | xitron | btw what you guys mean with bling :D |
| 15:19.56 | asg | xitron: .us slang for eyecandy |
| 15:19.57 | shingouz | xitron: blinky little things |
| 15:20.03 | krazykit | xitron, pretty effects and shiny things |
| 15:20.04 | schme | Yeah. ion3 has those. |
| 15:20.10 | xitron | aaah ok |
| 15:20.12 | schme | names on frames and stuff. |
| 15:20.46 | HostilePenguin | elive has flashing icons and flashing stars on desktop |
| 15:21.51 | shingouz | bling is bad when you happen to run a steam powered computer |
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| 15:21.51 | Outl4w` | hi, has anyone experiences with "serial laplink"? |
| 15:21.51 | shingouz | Outl4w`: no |
| 15:21.51 | schme | A serial laplink.. sounds like porn. |
| 15:21.51 | krazykit | HostilePenguin, elive is also old and out of date with e17's cvs. |
| 15:21.51 | lassy | i have experience with serial lapdance but i guess it is not the same thing |
| 15:21.51 | xitron | schme, what you surfing on the net now? |
| 15:21.51 | Outl4w` | hmmm, ok |
| 15:21.52 | phogg | schme: nah. Serial has a higher bitrate |
| 15:21.52 | christia1 | gotta go, no more battery power |
| 15:21.52 | christia1 | later, floks |
| 15:21.52 | schme | lassy: A laplink is a bit better than the lapdance. |
| 15:21.52 | christia1 | folks* |
| 15:21.53 | xitron | bya |
| 15:22.30 | schme | xitron: What I surf on the net? |
| 15:22.55 | xitron | schme, you think laplink sounds like porn so maybe you're surfing porn now on the internet |
| 15:23.01 | schme | Oooh. |
| 15:23.02 | schme | Hehehe. |
| 15:23.06 | xitron | :p |
| 15:23.07 | Outl4w` | o_O |
| 15:23.12 | schme | Touche (sic) |
| 15:23.20 | schme | It is anatomy research! |
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| 15:23.28 | xitron | :DD |
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| 15:23.52 | shingouz | schme: so playboy is "reference material"? |
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| 15:24.04 | schme | Indeed. |
| 15:24.09 | Outl4w` | ok, everybody has fun now, so bye bye |
| 15:24.13 | schme | I just read the articles, though. |
| 15:24.15 | xitron | shingouz, one word: YES |
| 15:24.17 | DawnLight | i can understand why the default kernels is configured the way they are, but why aren't there a few more precompiled kernels for every architecture? like a server kernel and a desktop kernel? |
| 15:24.17 | Nielsen | playboy is the RFC of porn :D |
| 15:24.18 | HostilePenguin | im hoping they will keep working on it e16 isnt supported by elive now |
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| 15:24.39 | schme | DawnLight: Aren't the Debian kernels kinda minimal + modules? |
| 15:24.48 | schme | Ought to work for servers and desktop. |
| 15:24.56 | xitron | schme, yes wya? |
| 15:25.15 | schme | xitron: ? |
| 15:25.34 | xitron | ow sorry you didn't ask a question :p I'm confused |
| 15:25.36 | DawnLight | twould be nice though, wouldn't it? |
| 15:25.57 | schme | DawnLight: I fail to see why it would be any nicer than minimal kernel + modules. |
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| 15:27.45 | DawnLight | schme: what about the configuration of the kernel, like the frequency thing? that's set to the in between. not optimal for server, nor desktop, as far as i understand. i must admit i did enjoy compiling my own kernel. |
| 15:28.17 | schme | What is the frequency thing? |
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| 15:28.51 | schme | I feel that unless you have a specific need to actually compile a custom kernel it is a huge waste of time, and probably will make things worse. |
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| 15:29.49 | DawnLight | i really don't know, schme, but there are three frequencies to choose from; one is reccomended for a server, one for desktop, and one is in between, the debian default. |
| 15:30.09 | schme | I see. |
| 15:30.09 | HostilePenguin | linux is about doing what ever you want and learning somthing new |
| 15:30.10 | schme | No idea. |
| 15:30.11 | DawnLight | how can it make things worse, schme? |
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| 15:30.27 | schme | It seems like a waste of ftp server space to make more kernels. :) |
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| 15:31.18 | DawnLight | schme: if you get a faster kernel, then you might end up saving server time :) |
| 15:31.19 | schme | DawnLight: Well you can fuck shit up in the first place. By excluding things you need. And all of a sudden the precompiled modules for the Debian kernel might not load and people come and ask questions about why it is not working. That's way worse than people not asking questions about it. |
| 15:31.35 | tarzeau | man so many dragons, anyone join? #bub-n-bros bub-n-bros.sf.net |
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| 15:31.55 | InitMass | when i start my usb hdd dmesg says "[17180269.516000] hdc: write_intr: wrong transfer direction!". how do i solve it so my hdd can connect? |
| 15:31.59 | Nyle | tarzeau: :) |
| 15:32.00 | DawnLight | i forgot how to call the ops |
| 15:32.04 | Nyle | tarzeau: i never really dug that game |
| 15:32.08 | Nyle | in fact i dunno even how to play it |
| 15:32.18 | Nyle | bubble bobble innit/ |
| 15:32.21 | DawnLight | oh thats not spam huh |
| 15:32.27 | Nyle | you're spam |
| 15:32.31 | schme | DawnLight: I doubt some small kernel tweaks will render much performance increase. By that logic compiling everything from source would = better. When it just isn't a real world issue. |
| 15:32.32 | tarzeau | Nyle: you klick the dragon in bottom, and it asks for key left,right,jump and bubble |
| 15:32.39 | tarzeau | Nyle: like you press, arror left,right,up and space |
| 15:32.46 | Nyle | tarzeau: i've played it |
| 15:32.46 | DawnLight | hey thats not nice Nyle |
| 15:32.48 | Nyle | i just never dug it |
| 15:32.54 | tarzeau | 7 dragons! JOIN JOIN! only 3 slots left |
| 15:32.57 | schme | DawnLight: 'course if you have a need for it, compile :) |
| 15:33.07 | tarzeau | Nyle: bubble monsters, jump into bubble, eat fruits? |
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| 15:33.24 | schme | DawnLight: Just darn annoying when people come asking about problems and it turns out it's their custom kernel that is whack :) |
| 15:33.37 | Nyle | tarzeau: yeh mindless crapola |
| 15:33.42 | gordboy | schme, i know what you mean. people spend weeks trying optimizations for compiling mplayer, only to get a whole 0.1% performance increase |
| 15:33.46 | Nyle | tarzeau: obviouly you like it, so have at it |
| 15:33.47 | tarzeau | Nyle: but fun :) |
| 15:33.50 | Nyle | i might give it a shot sometime |
| 15:33.52 | Nyle | i dunno |
| 15:34.20 | pitosga | gordboy: that's not like that |
| 15:34.24 | pitosga | tahe my word on it |
| 15:34.47 | schme | gordboy: Ya. It might hyperoptimize that one bizarre code loop that was overlooked with regular optimization.. 'course that loop is only executed once every other year, but WOW look at it go. |
| 15:34.52 | Trewas | DawnLight: each kernel version takes a lot of space in mirrors and take ages to build, it's better for debian to minimize the number of different kernel packages |
| 15:35.03 | schme | DawnLight: Check out http://openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Why and replace OpenBSD with Debian GNU/Linux :) |
| 15:35.04 | pitosga | a custom kernel can be that litle thing that makes the diference between mediocre performance and full throttle |
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| 15:35.18 | sheldonh | okay, more general question. why would aptitude say a recommended package is unavailable? |
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| 15:35.21 | schme | A custom kernel can also break your system way good. |
| 15:35.23 | DawnLight | i'd imagine schme. perhaps i'll start using that apt-build thing and slowly but surely the system will turn to locally compiled binaries |
| 15:35.36 | gordboy | pitosga, well, you sound like an honest man, so i trust you implicitly. those stats you gave to back up your argument are irrefutable |
| 15:35.37 | AntiInit | help! how/where do i configure the max concurrent tcp sessions. need to reduce to about 100. loked in /proc/sys/net/ipv4 cant find. (app doesn't allow me to configure max concurrency). |
| 15:36.03 | schme | DawnLight: Yes. Perhaps you will. |
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| 15:36.22 | schme | When did #debian turn into #gentoo ?? |
| 15:36.28 | DawnLight | lol |
| 15:36.29 | pitosga | gordboy: i had that experience with video devices |
| 15:36.41 | Nielsen | AntiInit: well you can use iptables and the connlimit module |
| 15:36.58 | DawnLight | since there's no gentoo repositories in israel, schme :) |
| 15:37.10 | pitosga | the framerate whent through the roof when stopped using modules and compiled it in |
| 15:37.19 | AntiInit | Nielse: Thanks! |
| 15:37.50 | AntiInit | I use NAT too (sees some horibe iptables config coming up) |
| 15:37.57 | Nielsen | AntiInit: something like -A OUTPUT -o eth0 -p tcp --match connlimit --connlimit-above 100 -j REJECT |
| 15:38.01 | DawnLight | can i get aptitude to build stuff? |
| 15:38.08 | AntiInit | can it be applied to a specific ip:port? |
| 15:38.18 | schme | DawnLight: But really. Debian supplies prebuilt binaries with a prebuilt kernel, and it all has been tested so it works together (atleast if you use stable). That is the system. If you change it around, start compiling custom stuff, and have problem 'cause your optimized libc suddenly breaks bash.. you are pretty much on your own. :) |
| 15:38.19 | pitosga | before that it was awfull basically like that first release of 'king kong' black and white movie, have you seen it? |
| 15:38.23 | DawnLight | apt-build-tude |
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| 15:38.26 | Nielsen | AntiInit: its iptables, it applies to whatever you like |
| 15:38.30 | AntiInit | great! |
| 15:38.33 | krazykit | sheldonh, programs my recommend stuff in non-free or contrib, which would be unavailable unless you added them manually |
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| 15:38.59 | pitosga | gordboy: but you seem honest too :) so here is the data backing up my statements :) |
| 15:39.02 | sheldonh | krazykit: okay thanks |
| 15:39.04 | Nielsen | AntiInit: something like -A OUTPUT -o eth0 -p tcp -d 192.168.1.10 --dport 100:1000 --match connlimit --connlimit-above 100 -j REJECT |
| 15:39.12 | shingouz | pitosga: the original King Kong rocks |
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| 15:39.16 | krazykit | sheldonh, or breakage from using sid. that could be too. |
| 15:39.18 | schme | DawnLight: Isreal seems like a swell place if there is no gentoo. (: |
| 15:39.26 | Nielsen | AntiInit: need more or did you get the picture? |
| 15:39.31 | AntiInit | why are using the output chain? This is a server |
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| 15:39.48 | Nielsen | AntiInit: are you limiting inbound our outbound connections? |
| 15:39.52 | AntiInit | inbound |
| 15:39.58 | AntiInit | -A IMPUT |
| 15:40.08 | AntiInit | IN* |
| 15:40.29 | pitosga | shingouz: hehehe it's a classic what can we say... |
| 15:40.47 | Nielsen | AntiInit: something like -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp -s 123.123.123.123 --dport 1:65000 --match connlimit --connlimit-above 100 -j REJECT |
| 15:40.49 | AntiInit | i remember compiling a whole list of modules so id expect conlimit to be there |
| 15:41.12 | AntiInit | think i did all available netfilter ones |
| 15:41.20 | redduck666 | Nielsen: why is the --dport good for? |
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| 15:41.48 | Nielsen | redduck666: nothing, just as an example for a range of ports |
| 15:41.52 | AntiInit | that looks perfect thanks. |
| 15:41.53 | redduck666 | ah |
| 15:41.58 | sheldonh | krazykit: looks like what i want is only available in oldstable |
| 15:42.12 | schme | HostilePenguin: And no, linux is not about doing whatever you want and learning something new ;) |
| 15:42.22 | Nielsen | AntiInit: you can add subnets or simply remove the -s ip to make it apply to all and anyone |
| 15:42.50 | AntiInit | doesnt that need to be a d for dest ip? |
| 15:42.58 | DawnLight | although you may end up learning something new. hey, this whole world is about learning for me |
| 15:43.05 | schme | Indeed. |
| 15:43.16 | sheldonh | !oldstable |
| 15:43.16 | dpkg | oldstable is, like, the previous stable version of Debian GNU/Linux, currently Sarge (3.1). Previously, Woody. Get old Sarge ISO's here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r6a/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 15:43.22 | Nielsen | AntiInit: well you are limiting incomming, and you'd want to limit who the packets come from, thats source (-s) |
| 15:43.26 | sheldonh | hmmm |
| 15:43.29 | sheldonh | !sources.list |
| 15:43.29 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sources.list is something like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free" where cc is your country code. see <mirrors>, /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list. also see <etch security> |
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| 15:44.03 | schme | I like a stable system that installs, Just Works, and is ready for use. |
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| 15:44.36 | AlteKiet | exit |
| 15:44.37 | Nielsen | AntiInit: if you require further special rules, i suggest you join #netfilter ;) |
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| 15:44.56 | DawnLight | can i tell dpkg that something is blah blah blah |
| 15:45.05 | sheldonh | okay, so it's not as simple as adding oldstable to the entry in sources.list |
| 15:45.06 | valdyn | DawnLight: yes |
| 15:45.28 | gordboy | echo "blah blah blah" | dpkg |
| 15:45.49 | AntiInit | ill do some testing, all will become clear... |
| 15:46.14 | DawnLight | i think it would be better if sources.list would be links to the mirror list and sources.list howto |
| 15:46.24 | Nielsen | AntiInit: otherwise, toss me a pm, and i'll see if i can help |
| 15:46.31 | schme | The mirror list? |
| 15:46.40 | DawnLight | there is one, isn't there? |
| 15:46.41 | schme | Oh oh. |
| 15:46.45 | schme | Yes. |
| 15:46.50 | schme | Now I understand. |
| 15:46.54 | valdyn | !sources.list |
| 15:46.54 | dpkg | from memory, sources.list is something like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free" where cc is your country code. see <mirrors>, /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list. also see <etch security> |
| 15:47.26 | DawnLight | !mirrors |
| 15:47.26 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 15:47.49 | xerophyte | is there any best book for debian which explain now to make deb's .. looking for printed books .. aware lots of documentation on the web .. just wondering if there any really good book out there |
| 15:48.02 | sheldonh | anyone know how to get dictd to use the data from wordnet-data? |
| 15:48.59 | DawnLight | xerophyte: like reading laying back, huh |
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| 15:49.25 | yettenet | How can I set the keyboard repeat rates/delay from command line? |
| 15:49.43 | Nielsen | yettenet: in x, we use xset |
| 15:49.51 | yettenet | thanks |
| 15:50.02 | DawnLight | is there a channel that can help me with apache? |
| 15:50.13 | Nielsen | !xset |
| 15:50.14 | acu | I want to buy a portable media player - is anyone out there which works with debian ? |
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| 15:50.17 | xerophyte | DawnLight, i like books because its save lots of time to get the big pictures.. they do most of the work putting together things .. it takes years to collect all and read about it |
| 15:50.31 | piztek3 | can anyone tell me how to switch to gdm from kdm |
| 15:50.40 | valdyn | piztek3: are both installed? |
| 15:50.43 | piztek3 | yes |
| 15:50.44 | xerophyte | DawnLight, #apache |
| 15:50.56 | valdyn | piztek3: run 'dpkg-reconfigure gdm' |
| 15:51.05 | Nielsen | yettenet: xset 'm' and 'r' are the ones you seek |
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| 15:51.51 | piztek3 | and how do i set metacity over kwin? |
| 15:52.06 | valdyn | piztek3: you want to use gnome? |
| 15:52.09 | tarzeau | !seen takatumi |
| 15:52.09 | dpkg | takatumi <i=nach@unaffiliated/takatumi> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 293d 3h 58m 48s ago, saying: 'imme-emosol: /msg dpkg why debian'. |
| 15:52.12 | piztek3 | yes |
| 15:52.24 | valdyn | piztek3: pick the gnome session in gdm |
| 15:52.37 | piztek3 | that's the login? |
| 15:52.44 | valdyn | piztek3: yea |
| 15:52.49 | piztek3 | cool, thanks |
| 15:52.53 | acu | piztek3: you do not need to do any dpkg ... if you have both installed kde and gdm - just log off and at the logon windows CLICK on SESSION TYPE and there you will see Gnome and KDE choose KDE |
| 15:52.55 | valdyn | piztek3: at least after you stopped kdm and started gdm |
| 15:53.16 | piztek3 | is there a tray icon for evolution? |
| 15:53.26 | valdyn | acu: you're confusing things |
| 15:53.38 | schme | xerophyte: The Debian GNU/Linux bible might have that. |
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| 15:54.33 | xerophyte | schme, looking for good book it has 3 star in amazon .. :( |
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| 15:54.35 | piztek3 | no tray icon for evolution? |
| 15:54.43 | Novus | I am using OpenBSD and want to get a list of user accounts. I looked at man users, but it only shows currently logged in users. |
| 15:54.57 | piztek3 | and what if there isn't a shutdown option on the gnome menu? |
| 15:55.03 | EdLin | Novus: #openbsd is not spelled #debian |
| 15:55.15 | valdyn | piztek3: that option depends on your *dm |
| 15:55.23 | koeien | Novus: cat /etc/passwd|cut -d':' -f1 |
| 15:55.27 | valdyn | piztek3: its also configurable for gdm, i know nothing about the others |
| 15:55.31 | piztek3 | will it come back now that i've switched back to gdm |
| 15:55.34 | Novus | EdLin: The operating systems are similar enough to answer my question. |
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| 15:55.43 | piztek3 | okay let me check |
| 15:55.54 | EdLin | Novus: so? |
| 15:56.04 | Novus | So I am going to ask here. |
| 15:56.08 | soothsay | Novus: You tried openbsd? |
| 15:56.08 | valdyn | piztek3: probably, you can configure that in gdmsetup |
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| 15:56.12 | schme | Novus: cat /etc/passwd might help. |
| 15:56.29 | Novus | #openbsd requires registering, which is a lot of bother. |
| 15:56.32 | EdLin | Novus: there's 800 people here. Maybe we should ask Windows questions too - it has a POSIX API. |
| 15:56.35 | koyas | hello |
| 15:56.38 | soothsay | Novus: Ah okay. |
| 15:56.42 | claudio` | I've a problem with (i think) bitlbee. If i try to query someone over MSN network i can chat without problems but if someone wants to start a conversation with me he/she can't: i don't receive the message and he/she get an error from his MSN client. What could be the problem? |
| 15:56.45 | schme | Novus: But I agree. It is not very polite at all to post the question here. |
| 15:56.55 | Novus | EdLim: Maybe for SFU. |
| 15:57.04 | EdLin | Novus: so SFU ;-) |
| 15:57.11 | koeien | Novus: you tried #netbsd as well i see |
| 15:57.30 | mfrisch | Novus kfreebsd ?? |
| 15:57.33 | Novus | Yeah, that was closer. |
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| 15:57.37 | koyas | anyone got a minute for a stupid question or two? |
| 15:57.40 | gordboy | i started compiling openoffice in 2005. by the time it finishes, i will be 50 and openoffice will be legacy |
| 15:57.46 | schme | Novus: Just cat /etc/passwd |
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| 15:58.04 | mfrisch | gordboy you need a cluster for that ;-) |
| 15:58.07 | Nielsen | koyas: how about just asking? |
| 15:58.11 | Novus | gordboy: **** openoffice. Go out and pick up Office 2007. |
| 15:58.21 | Novus | That's not a troll, that's good advice. |
| 15:58.23 | valdyn | koyas: one left |
| 15:58.27 | koyas | well i just installed debian base system on a pc |
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| 15:58.49 | koyas | and i've also installed the preselected "desktop" package |
| 15:58.53 | Novus | The only opensource GUI application I would consider using is gnucash. |
| 15:58.55 | schme | Novus: No. Office 2007 won't run well on Debian systems. It is bad advice. |
| 15:59.01 | shingouz | koyas: lose the enters please |
| 15:59.01 | koyas | which includes GNOME |
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| 15:59.07 | simonrvn | !troll Novus |
| 15:59.09 | Novus | schme: Obviously running on Vista. |
| 15:59.19 | valdyn | !tell koyas -about enter |
| 15:59.21 | soothsay | kick |
| 15:59.21 | schme | Novus: And again this is #debian . |
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| 15:59.38 | Novus | Sorry, didn't mean to cause trouble. |
| 15:59.40 | simonrvn | @troll Novus |
| 16:00.10 | dorfun | hello, can anyone help me installing debian etch 4.0 on a Asus a7n8x-e deluxe with a sata raid 1 (or tell me a web page tutorial)? |
| 16:00.29 | valdyn | dorfun: google etch sata raid |
| 16:00.45 | valdyn | !fgi dorfun etch+sata+raid |
| 16:00.45 | dpkg | dorfun: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=etch+sata+raid |
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| 16:01.03 | Novus | I love that site. |
| 16:01.24 | piztek3 | what can I do in gnome if it's still using kde icons in applications, and still using the domino theme |
| 16:01.42 | valdyn | piztek3: you change the theme |
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| 16:02.09 | piztek3 | but it's on clearlooks |
| 16:02.16 | Nielsen | valdyn: i think 'debian install raid' would be more usefull... better hits |
| 16:02.25 | piztek3 | valdyn: it's on clearlooks |
| 16:02.37 | dorfun | i use this link, but i had not found any useful help |
| 16:02.43 | gordboy | piztek3, menu -> system -> preferences -> theme -> customize ... -> icons |
| 16:02.44 | valdyn | Nielsen: possibly, but ive had fine results with what i gave him |
| 16:02.46 | Buck | does anyone know the package to install for bogomips? |
| 16:03.06 | koyas | ok recaP, i installed debian base system, partitioned and everything, installed the desktop package, and grub boot loader, now thing is i reboot and i get to the command prompt, login and dont know what to do next. How do I access the GUI? |
| 16:03.20 | EdLin | Buck: that reading's part of the kernel messages. |
| 16:03.29 | wintix | !tell Buck about search |
| 16:03.34 | gordboy | Buck, dmesg | grep -i bogomips |
| 16:04.16 | Buck | no joy =( |
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| 16:04.37 | valdyn | dorfun: it should be in the install guide too as the installer supports raids |
| 16:04.47 | piztek3 | gordboy: in there it's set to GNOME, what should I set it to |
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| 16:05.21 | dorfun | the sata raid is a sil 3112 and i think that it works only (raid) on windows |
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| 16:05.45 | valdyn | dorfun: debian supports none of this fakeraid stuff, you have to use linux software raid |
| 16:05.58 | piztek3 | no the scrollbars are still domino |
| 16:06.01 | valdyn | dorfun: ...which is functionally better anyway |
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| 16:06.35 | dorfun | linux software raid? do you talk about the motherboard software for linux (raid driver for linux)? |
| 16:07.07 | valdyn | dorfun: nope, i said what i mean |
| 16:07.09 | valdyn | !sata raid |
| 16:07.10 | dpkg | The FAQ for linux SATA RAID is at http://linux.yyz.us/sata/faq-sata-raid.html also a how-to for software SATA RAID can be found at http://xtronics.com/reference/SATA-RAID-debian-for-2.6.html |
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| 16:07.13 | valdyn | dorfun: ^^^ |
| 16:07.49 | valdyn | dorfun: that faq should explain to you how these raid systems work |
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| 16:08.49 | piztek3 | is it possible to use single click in gnome? |
| 16:08.58 | dorfun | ok, many thanks ...i'll read first this links |
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| 16:09.15 | koyas | ok i guess i'm dumb. |
| 16:09.22 | war | dorfun: get 3124 cards (SiI) they work good |
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| 16:10.00 | mbutUbuntu01 | ciao ragazzi avrei un problema con una partizione |
| 16:10.09 | mbutUbuntu01 | mi aiutate |
| 16:10.18 | zamuro | !it |
| 16:10.18 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là. |
| 16:10.31 | dorfun | i don't want to spen more money :) ...i would like to use this raid controller on mobo |
| 16:10.57 | gordboy | piztek3, open a nautilus window, menu -> edit -> preferences -> behaviour |
| 16:11.00 | mbutUbuntu01 | excuse me |
| 16:11.09 | hark | piztek3: check nautilus preferences |
| 16:11.11 | Novus | I am just saying that opensource stuff belongs on the server. Windows belongs on the desktop. |
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| 16:11.31 | kath`` | Anyone can recommend a good doc explaining how xen works/how to install/use it? Debian oriented would be nice but not necessary |
| 16:11.58 | schme | Novus: The software I use on my desktop seldom runs on Windows, so that would not work very good. |
| 16:11.59 | Novus | Sorry but openoffice.org and the other GUI apps like Nautilus are a joke compared to Microsoft's offerings. |
| 16:12.01 | petemc | kath``: the xen wiki explains how it works |
| 16:12.08 | wintix | Novus: go away. |
| 16:12.10 | gordboy | xen and the art of software maintenance is good |
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| 16:12.38 | yettenet | Well, thanks for the key repeating thingy, it really came handy :) |
| 16:12.42 | Novus | Gladly, fucking opensource whores. Go back to creating documents no one can use in openoffice using a 1997 interface. |
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| 16:12.52 | kath`` | petemc, ah, should've guessed there's a wiki for xen, thanks, I'll look into it |
| 16:12.57 | AntiInit | novus: Things are changing. Multimedia support has really come along in the last few years |
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| 16:13.25 | schme | Well that was fun. |
| 16:13.34 | DawnLight | why don't i have a man apache2? seems strange to me |
| 16:13.38 | wintix | schme: it could have been fun ;) |
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| 16:13.54 | gordboy | DawnLight, man httpd |
| 16:14.06 | schme | wintix: It made little sense to me. An OpenBSD user bitching about how open source is bad. |
| 16:14.32 | DawnLight | gordboy: nope don't have it |
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| 16:16.16 | DawnLight | phew, i'm glad Novus left... he almost had me convinced |
| 16:16.34 | AntiInit | for 0.00000ns? |
| 16:16.53 | gordboy | 100as |
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| 16:19.08 | schme | Office 2007 *is* a good piece of software though. Just a weird channel to suggest it in. |
| 16:19.11 | gordboy | DawnLight, try apache2-docs |
| 16:19.17 | nyty | please javascript: how to reload <object> |
| 16:19.27 | purplepenguins | I don't like Office 2007's UI, honestly |
| 16:19.27 | gordboy | *apache2-doc |
| 16:19.48 | schme | I prefer emacs and LaTeX. |
| 16:20.09 | DawnLight | man apache2-doc doesn't work. oh well, i'll browse it it. thanks gordboy |
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| 16:20.28 | gordboy | DawnLight, no, apt-get install apache2-doc |
| 16:20.41 | purplepenguins | I prefer vim and LaTeX |
| 16:20.51 | schme | :D |
| 16:20.54 | purplepenguins | vim goes well with anything |
| 16:21.01 | purplepenguins | that can be edited |
| 16:21.07 | schme | irc buffers too? |
| 16:21.08 | DawnLight | before windows, my mom used to use this DOS documents editor called einstein or something |
| 16:21.23 | purplepenguins | I don't know about that |
| 16:21.39 | schme | But really though. When I am writing papers and such I find LaTeX much more efficient than whatever word processor you can throw at me. |
| 16:21.44 | gordboy | DawnLight, then point your browser at /usr/share/doc/apache2-doc/manual/index.html |
| 16:21.49 | petemc | wordperfect is the best, anyone that disagrees is stupid |
| 16:22.08 | schme | http://www.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/wp.html There we go. |
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| 16:22.58 | schme | Now if sxemacs and a decent lisp environment ran on Windows, and I could switch that darn window manager it uses.. I would perhaps switch. |
| 16:23.26 | mptech | there's a blackbox port for windows |
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| 16:23.56 | schme | Neat. |
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| 16:24.01 | schme | Don't like blackbox though :) |
| 16:24.31 | jair | quick logic question guys: if I am trying to get the best performance on my hard disk with linux, I should partition this way in a 120GB disk---> http://rafb.net/p/9hakSC78.html |
| 16:24.38 | xoz | texmacs is a good combo of latex and wysiwyg |
| 16:25.18 | valdyn | jair: 15G swap? |
| 16:25.33 | jair | I am trying to understand how it should be configure swap and the other file systems, sicnce "swap" will be use for virtual memory, only when the machine use the 8GB that have physically... :P |
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| 16:25.42 | jair | valdyn: yes? |
| 16:25.45 | schme | jair: It really does depend on what you plan on using it for, and how often the swap space will be used compared to how often / will be accessed. |
| 16:25.52 | jair | valdyn:it is an exageration? |
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| 16:26.08 | valdyn | jair: that's way to much |
| 16:26.12 | schme | oh 8gb RAM.. |
| 16:26.19 | jair | schme: the swap will not use to much or at all. |
| 16:26.24 | schme | jair: go / swap /boot |
| 16:26.29 | schme | :) |
| 16:26.44 | jair | schme: what do you mean? |
| 16:26.45 | valdyn | jair: stuff on the outside of the disk is a little faster |
| 16:26.51 | jair | right |
| 16:26.56 | jair | that is what make sense |
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| 16:27.02 | gordboy | jair, some people swear by having swap in the lowest partition possible, cos it goes a bit faster. but schme is right. it depends on usage |
| 16:27.08 | jnguy[w] | Howdy all. I remember finding a debian unstable guide a while ago, and I can't seem to find it again.... anyone have a link handy? |
| 16:27.24 | schme | jair: put / in the fastest part. /boot in the slowest. |
| 16:27.31 | schme | swap in ze middle. 'cause of the 8gb of ram. |
| 16:27.36 | jair | gordboy: but then which of the two options are the best to have a machine that will not be using much of memory... |
| 16:27.38 | schme | Or send me 6 of those GB. |
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| 16:28.10 | jair | hahaha |
| 16:28.14 | gordboy | jair, listen to schme |
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| 16:28.22 | jair | gordboy: ok |
| 16:28.50 | jair | gordboy: schme so on this case I should go with the second opion |
| 16:28.57 | jnguy[w] | err. found it. |
| 16:29.04 | valdyn | jair: id actually put swap in the middle to have it close to the data in /, assuming you wont fill / |
| 16:29.05 | jnguy[w] | for future reference: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/44 |
| 16:29.07 | schme | Oh now I have to look at that url again >< |
| 16:29.07 | jair | where swap is in the middle and / is at the end of the disk |
| 16:29.31 | gordboy | jair, i have a 4GB swap. and i've never actually used it yet |
| 16:29.33 | schme | Ya. That sounds right. |
| 16:29.38 | jair | schme: makes sense, :) thank you everyone that helped me :) |
| 16:29.51 | Justin | jair: you'll likely get no use out of the swap partition, except for the case when it may come in handy if you need space to repartition things |
| 16:29.59 | schme | jair: You might even want to mount /bin and /usr/bin on a RAM-fs of some sort. |
| 16:30.06 | jair | gordboy: i will cut the size of the ram to 8GB in swap then |
| 16:30.14 | valdyn | ramfs? |
| 16:30.20 | valdyn | thats useless unless the kernel is broken |
| 16:30.40 | schme | True true. |
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| 16:31.32 | jair | all right thanks everyone |
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| 16:31.55 | AntiInit | whats the best way to tell in advance what you will need in a kernel before you compile it. i.e. installing kernel remotely, reboot, hope it works kind of stuff. |
| 16:32.30 | valdyn | AntiInit: experience |
| 16:32.33 | wintix | AntiInit: if you have to ask, don't do it remotely. |
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| 16:33.45 | ZathrasZ | is there a way to compile LIRC on Debian Etch with customkernel without loads of comile errors? |
| 16:34.00 | AntiInit | i got lucky the other time. Experience has taught me to be more cautious. So no obvious check list that i can be pointed to. raid cards and lvm is usually the main thing that causes problems for me. |
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| 16:34.47 | Novus | I've cooled down now, sorry. |
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| 16:35.08 | AntiInit | well, other times. The newer kernel >2.6.18 seems to be a bit trickier to get right first time |
| 16:35.18 | jair | Thank you very much schme gordboy valdyn :) |
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| 16:35.46 | valdyn | ZathrasZ: 'm-a prepare && m-a a-i lirc' does not work? |
| 16:36.00 | ZathrasZ | no. error time |
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| 16:36.36 | valdyn | ZathrasZ: you need a complete source tree , configured correctly. Done that? |
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| 16:36.56 | AntiInit | wintix: I would do it locally, but that is not an option. I'm going to be forced to do a remote kernel build next week some time. Was just hoping for a couple of useful pointers thats all. |
| 16:36.58 | ZathrasZ | yes. did so |
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| 16:38.18 | ZathrasZ | I keep getting the famous 'error: array type has incomplete element type' error on various lines |
| 16:38.37 | jnguy[w] | anyone know how to use apt-listbugs? how to hook it into apt? |
| 16:38.39 | valdyn | ZathrasZ: iirc lirc works only with 2.4 kernels |
| 16:39.30 | valdyn | ZathrasZ: ah, nm |
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| 16:44.46 | bettsp | Is there any way to get a list of installed packages sorted by size using dpkg? |
| 16:44.47 | DawnLight | schme: that link you gave about the text processing; i've heard about TeX since i've migrated to linux and now i know what it is. sounds like a great idea. next time i want to print something, it'll be like that. thanks a bunch |
| 16:45.02 | koeien | bettsp: take a loot at dpigs |
| 16:45.08 | koeien | bettsp: in debian-goodies |
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| 16:45.29 | schme | DawnLight: TeX takes some learning though. :) |
| 16:45.31 | purplepenguins | I wrote all my papers and homeworks last year in LaTeX |
| 16:45.41 | bettsp | koeien: Thanks |
| 16:45.42 | purplepenguins | my one algebra prof loved me for it |
| 16:45.49 | purplepenguins | because my handwriting is pretty bad |
| 16:45.56 | schme | Hahaha. |
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| 16:46.07 | DawnLight | i have purplepenguins to help me learn though, that's what its all about, schme :) |
| 16:46.18 | schme | :D |
| 16:46.27 | purplepenguins | and I wrote a nice 15 page paper with it |
| 16:46.32 | schme | Mmm. |
| 16:46.33 | purplepenguins | it handles math very nicely |
| 16:46.38 | purplepenguins | which is the main reason I use it |
| 16:46.47 | purplepenguins | no more Word + MathType |
| 16:47.02 | purplepenguins | I'm only in college man...150 words too much |
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| 16:47.49 | schme | :) |
| 16:47.50 | nyty | harvarde uploaduj fotky pls |
| 16:47.52 | nyty | ;-) |
| 16:47.54 | nyty | eee sorry |
| 16:47.58 | schme | Yes. |
| 16:48.09 | SoftIce | http://paste.linux-vserver.org/1788 |
| 16:48.16 | SoftIce | please can somebody tell me how to fix locales ? |
| 16:48.43 | Nielsen | dpkg-reconfigure locales ? |
| 16:48.46 | purplepenguins | move to the locale for the one you use, it's easier :P |
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| 16:48.57 | schme | I really use LaTeX for all writing that I intend to print or perhaps turn into a pdf. CV, pol. sci. papers, grocery lists for when I go shopping.. |
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| 16:49.09 | en1gma | hey all wuzzup |
| 16:49.12 | en1gma | moin |
| 16:49.12 | purplepenguins | CV wheee |
| 16:49.21 | Nielsen | SoftIce: you of all people should know :oþ |
| 16:49.22 | purplepenguins | who doesn't love LaTeX |
| 16:49.37 | purplepenguins | how many people have a picture of Don Knuth in their house? |
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| 16:49.47 | schme | Ok That is a bit sick. |
| 16:49.52 | cahoot | yes a perfect grocery list is essential |
| 16:50.04 | purplepenguins | Actually we have three and it's totally not sick |
| 16:50.05 | schme | cahoot: You have not seen my hand writing ;) |
| 16:50.07 | ustunozgur | Knuth is for TeX. Lamport created LaTeX. |
| 16:50.16 | ustunozgur | and guess where he works? |
| 16:50.19 | purplepenguins | he was once in our fraternity a long time ago |
| 16:50.38 | purplepenguins | I know that |
| 16:50.45 | purplepenguins | I've never used the original TeX |
| 16:50.53 | SoftIce | Nielsen: on ubuntu its easy, I can just echo en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8 >>/var/lib/locales/supported.d/local && local-gen |
| 16:50.56 | schme | TeX has that one cool thing.. "oh. this software needs no more development. It is Done." |
| 16:51.12 | Nielsen | SoftIce: even easier, locale-get en_US |
| 16:51.14 | schme | where does he work? |
| 16:51.18 | Nielsen | SoftIce: err gen |
| 16:51.27 | en1gma | hey all i have a few questions this morning....the other day i had dloaded the dvd which if you want kde then its kind of a pin for a new user to do...so someone gave me a link to an officailly supported cd1 that had kde for i386....well im wanting the same thing for amd64...is there one by any chance? |
| 16:51.46 | ustunozgur | microsoft |
| 16:51.51 | schme | Cools. |
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| 16:52.05 | wintix | en1gma: just use the netinstall cd and install kde manually afterwards. |
| 16:52.12 | schme | Probably a very good place to work at. |
| 16:52.17 | koeien | en1gma: does that box have internet? |
| 16:52.31 | ustunozgur | no wonder MS Word keeps on becoming better. |
| 16:52.38 | koeien | en1gma: it would be easier to use the netinst-cd |
| 16:52.39 | SoftIce | thanks Nielsen |
| 16:52.54 | mfrisch | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:52.58 | Nielsen | SoftIce: np :) |
| 16:53.28 | en1gma | yea it has the net but i would rather have the cd for amd64 if there is one |
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| 16:54.00 | en1gma | i loose my net alot and would like to have a backup just in case |
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| 16:54.26 | wintix | en1gma: download the dvds? |
| 16:54.35 | en1gma | the dvd starts in gnome |
| 16:54.43 | en1gma | and is a pain to switch to kde |
| 16:54.50 | schme | What? |
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| 16:54.54 | wintix | en1gma: just don't install gnome. |
| 16:54.59 | en1gma | if you dont want to install gnome |
| 16:55.03 | mfrisch | Does the lease on a DSL connection need to be something other than the default? It just dies sometimes. |
| 16:55.03 | en1gma | i have |
| 16:55.18 | en1gma | ive done it and it is a pain |
| 16:55.33 | schme | Since when did debian install start installing gnome by default? |
| 16:55.40 | en1gma | i know |
| 16:55.42 | en1gma | it sucks |
| 16:55.42 | wintix | en1gma: just don't install gnome and install kde after the base install. |
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| 16:55.50 | schme | en1gma: Are you using ubuntu? |
| 16:56.10 | martiancode | folks, if I |
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| 16:56.49 | martiancode | 've installed rsync on both the machines, I can rsync files remotely back and forth between them without the need to set anything else corret? |
| 16:56.56 | martiancode | s/set/configure/ |
| 16:56.58 | schme | I haven't actually seen the new debian installer... but you are saying it starts up gnome and installs it by default? |
| 16:57.11 | kath`` | en1gma, don't select anything when presented with software install questions(assuming you don't run the installer with 'expert' option), and run `aptitude install kde` after you reboot onto your new OS, it's about that easy |
| 16:57.18 | en1gma | after the install you have to boot to console and give a few commands etc... |
| 16:57.24 | hark | en1gma: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-40r0-amd64-kde-CD-1.iso |
| 16:57.26 | martiancode | may be just ports configurations and so on right, or I'll have to run an rsync daemon? |
| 16:57.33 | en1gma | ive done it...it dont turn out right |
| 16:57.37 | en1gma | stuff is missing |
| 16:57.38 | petemc | martiancode: most people use it over ssh |
| 16:57.44 | Vorbote | en1gma: use taskel then |
| 16:57.46 | schme | en1gma: Why did you install gnome in the first place? |
| 16:57.47 | purplepenguins | I like Debian because you can choose not to install X |
| 16:58.06 | martiancode | petemc: you mean starting rsync after sshing the remote machine right? |
| 16:58.09 | en1gma | is there a cd which containg the kde install for amd64 |
| 16:58.10 | Vorbote | schme: because that's the default CD1 install |
| 16:58.13 | en1gma | thats all i asking |
| 16:58.18 | schme | Vorbote: For real? |
| 16:58.19 | kath`` | Vorbote, iirc, tasksel is what installs gnome by default for 'desktop environment', or is it? |
| 16:58.25 | Vorbote | schme: yes |
| 16:58.35 | schme | Vorbote: Wow. That's insane. |
| 16:58.40 | Vorbote | Unless you don't select the desktop install |
| 16:58.43 | petemc | martiancode: no, rsync sourcefile user@remote:destinationfile |
| 16:58.45 | {Nathan} | How do I change the hostname of my computer, like if I changed it during the install? I have two "debian" computers, and it's really confusing. |
| 16:58.52 | en1gma | i know how the hell to do it |
| 16:58.53 | schme | That new installer sounds like a piece of crap. |
| 16:59.00 | Vorbote | But the installer does give you a choice... |
| 16:59.01 | en1gma | why do you think im asking for the kde install version |
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| 16:59.10 | hark | nacer: /msg dpkg hostname |
| 16:59.10 | martiancode | petemc: that's what i've been doing, it never works for me |
| 16:59.10 | en1gma | for amd64 |
| 16:59.22 | gejr- | {Nathan}: hostname <newhostname> ? |
| 16:59.26 | hark | en1gma: i have already provided you with the link |
| 16:59.27 | schme | What was wrong with the old installer anyway? |
| 16:59.28 | Vorbote | en1gma: there is a version of CD1 that installs KDE |
| 16:59.38 | Vorbote | And another for XFCE |
| 16:59.38 | en1gma | for AMD64 |
| 16:59.39 | gejr- | {Nathan}: or vi /etc/hostname |
| 16:59.39 | en1gma | ? |
| 16:59.46 | martiancode | petemc: never worked for me, no matter which machine is the DIST and which's the SRC |
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| 16:59.52 | {Nathan} | gejr-: I think the second is what I wanted, thanks! |
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| 17:00.24 | martiancode | petemc: thanks anyway, I'll keep trying till I get it right |
| 17:00.26 | en1gma | is there a cd that installs kde by default for """"AMD64"""" |
| 17:00.32 | schme | I need to download an install CD just to check this madness out. |
| 17:00.39 | hark | {Nathan}: /msg dpkg hostname |
| 17:00.43 | schme | en1gma: Didn't someone just hand you a link for that? |
| 17:00.44 | hark | nacer: sorry |
| 17:00.49 | wintix | en1gma: learn to read. hark just told you. |
| 17:00.54 | Vorbote | Lookee here: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/bt-cd/ |
| 17:01.05 | en1gma | i dont see it |
| 17:01.11 | {Nathan} | hark: I did. |
| 17:01.14 | en1gma | that is I386 |
| 17:01.15 | en1gma | omg |
| 17:01.19 | schme | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-40r0-amd64-kde-CD-1.iso |
| 17:01.31 | en1gma | nice :) |
| 17:01.35 | Vorbote | Lookee here: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/amd64/bt-cd/ |
| 17:01.36 | mfrisch | schme use a better mirror |
| 17:01.38 | en1gma | thank-you |
| 17:01.41 | Vorbote | That does the trick :-) |
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| 17:02.11 | schme | So there are several different install CDs nowadays? |
| 17:02.25 | Vorbote | five to be precise. |
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| 17:02.30 | wols | always were: full, netinst, businesscard |
| 17:02.33 | mfrisch | schme yup and some are more official |
| 17:02.45 | {Nathan} | set awl_block -15 |
| 17:02.47 | {Nathan} | oops |
| 17:02.50 | schme | wols: I mean with KDE and gnome autoinstalling. |
| 17:03.14 | epsilon | from woody? |
| 17:03.55 | schme | Yes? |
| 17:04.08 | en1gma | ok one more question yall (at least for now).....is there any auto update notification for debian etch i386 kde |
| 17:04.19 | en1gma | my friend wants it |
| 17:04.26 | schme | A what? |
| 17:04.36 | wols | en1gma: steal it from kubuntu? |
| 17:04.37 | Vorbote | en1gma: yes, install adept |
| 17:04.39 | mfrisch | en1gma many adept is one |
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| 17:04.56 | en1gma | adept is synaptic or kpackage? |
| 17:05.00 | beap | "Launcing Http Cache Cleaner" issue. nebody can help? |
| 17:05.00 | purplepenguins | woooody |
| 17:05.00 | purplepenguins | I like how the topic says THIS IS NOT #ubuntu |
| 17:05.06 | Nielsen | apt-get install adept |
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| 17:05.13 | en1gma | omg sweet will do it |
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| 17:06.07 | en1gma | isnt adept just a package manager |
| 17:06.21 | purplepenguins | adept is just a front-end to apt |
| 17:06.28 | purplepenguins | like synaptic is |
| 17:06.33 | en1gma | so i will have 3 package managers? |
| 17:06.36 | Nielsen | nah, kpackage is a package manager... adept is smart |
| 17:06.42 | en1gma | oh k |
| 17:06.43 | en1gma | kool |
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| 17:07.26 | Nielsen | my adept checks for updates and tells me about it while running hidden |
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| 17:11.02 | acu | does anyone which one is the cheapest pda in which we can install debian ? |
| 17:11.11 | en1gma | nice |
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| 17:11.38 | en1gma | my friend that is running etch roght noext to me...im telling him why would you run an auto updater just for security updates |
| 17:12.00 | en1gma | you know hes just running etch which is stable but will only get security updates in future |
| 17:12.22 | schme | Yes. |
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| 17:12.47 | schme | Good enough reason to have auto notify I suppose. |
| 17:12.54 | _fr33man_ | how can i recompile apache with higher FD_SETSIZE? |
| 17:13.08 | _fr33man_ | using apt, that is |
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| 17:16.24 | jelly-home | _fr33man_: apt-get build-dep apache2 && apt-get source apache2 && cd apache*; edit stuff around; dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc -us |
| 17:16.48 | en1gma | he just started adept and we dont see how to edit repos and start the automatic notification thing |
| 17:17.05 | jelly-home | _fr33man_: add -rfakeroot to the last command if you're not root |
| 17:17.53 | en1gma | how do you edit repos "with adept" and start the auto notification thing |
| 17:18.52 | baxter_kylie | Hi. I'm having a bit of confusion with networking. I have a machine with two nics (eth0/1 = 172.16.192.100/101). I set up an alias on eth1 (eth1:1) but when I ping from eth1:1 it's using eth0 as its source ip instead of eth1. I thought that an alias on a specific nic set a route through said nic. What am I doing wrong? |
| 17:19.53 | _fr33man_ | jelly-home, can't thank you more |
| 17:20.06 | jelly-home | _fr33man_: send money and women! |
| 17:20.20 | en1gma | hello anyone |
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| 17:20.36 | TeKnoW | Attention: private conflicts with christel lead to netwide bans. And complaints are to be taken to the PDPC lawyer. That is how your donations are used. |
| 17:20.41 | en1gma | how is it that adept is an auto notification thingy and how do you edit the repos from within adept |
| 17:21.01 | wintix | en1gma: the manual will tell you. and maybe install adept-notifier |
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| 17:21.40 | en1gma | ohhh ok |
| 17:21.43 | en1gma | thanks |
| 17:21.54 | en1gma | just tell me this |
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| 17:22.35 | en1gma | this is for my friend who is a windows user...can he manage the repos with adept (edit them and suck) he is not good at getting around with other programs for editing sources.list |
| 17:22.47 | en1gma | suck = such |
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| 17:23.19 | chemist | how do I install radeon instead of fglrx |
| 17:23.41 | hark | install xorg, purge the fglrx driver |
| 17:23.43 | valdyn | en1gma: what is 'adept' ? |
| 17:23.54 | chemist | hark: purge? |
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| 17:24.04 | DevilChaos | hi all |
| 17:24.08 | omri | what driver do I need for this wireless card 01:0a.0 Network controller: RaLink RT2561/RT61 802.11g PCI ? |
| 17:24.22 | hark | chemist: have you installed the fglrx driver yet? |
| 17:24.43 | chemist | no |
| 17:24.58 | nightfreak | i have a problem running apache2 with php4-cgi. i added "AddHandler php-script .php4" and "Action php-script /cgi-bin/php4" to a virtual host, when i try to open a test file i only get a 404 Error with the following message: "The requested URL /cgi-bin/php4/phpinfo.php4 was not found on this server." |
| 17:25.01 | jelly-home | omri: sounds like rt25xx or whatever? |
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| 17:25.19 | hac | anyone has installed ut2004? |
| 17:25.20 | omri | is there a binary package for that? |
| 17:25.31 | hark | chemist: ok, then xserver-xorg-video-ati is already part of the default Xorg. You shouldn't have to do anything extra |
| 17:25.38 | DevilChaos | i am somewhat perplext as to which torrent downloader to use and which is best ive tried 4 of them and cant get most of them to work arrrrg :( bittornado is the one that i have been using mostly but has since stopped working too any hints would be nice :) |
| 17:25.46 | chemist | hark: thanx |
| 17:25.51 | valdyn | omri: m-a prepare && m-a a-i rt2500 |
| 17:26.03 | omri | ok. I'll check |
| 17:26.03 | valdyn | omri: ( apt-get install module-assistant first if you dont have it yet ) |
| 17:26.25 | edju | bug #386552 says that rkunter warnings about certain hiddeen directories - .java, .static, .udev & .intrafms - are false alarms. true? should I edit rkhunter.conf to ALLOWHIDDENFILE for these? |
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| 17:26.42 | alaK | How can i ignore certin packages ? |
| 17:26.53 | omri | thanks valdyn, jelly :) |
| 17:27.28 | alaK | for example, i want some autoisntaller to install python 2.3, how can i ignore python 2.4 and 2.5 |
| 17:27.55 | valdyn | alaK: ignore? |
| 17:28.19 | gordboy | alaK, i use menu -> package -> lock version in synaptic. i assume that's what you mean. you have a package installed, but you don't want it updated |
| 17:28.37 | alaK | "I guess "python2.3" cannot be installed due to installed "python2.4" or "python2.5". Please downgrade it manually. |
| 17:28.42 | alaK | This is something i was told to do |
| 17:28.49 | martyn | hello, some installed Debian Etch in a laptop HP dv6208nr, where the sound the frontal panel no it works. i set my sound card with alsaconf and the sound it works in the loudspeaker, but in the frontal panel no :(, please. |
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| 17:29.09 | valdyn | alaK: debian can have multiple pythons, what are you trying to do? |
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| 17:29.36 | alaK | Trying to install Plesk, this was what Plesk support told me to do |
| 17:29.52 | alaK | gordboy: no desktop on the server, only shell |
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| 17:30.14 | omri | god I love debian |
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| 17:31.42 | tarzeau | omri: don't we all? and what particularly about it? |
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| 17:32.00 | mptech | Coming back to debian from gentoo is amazing |
| 17:32.06 | tarzeau | mptech: reasons? |
| 17:32.07 | mptech | I can install software so fast |
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| 17:32.23 | omri | tarzeau, everything. starting from /etc/alternatives to the amazing apt-get :) |
| 17:32.24 | mptech | xen was painless to install |
| 17:32.27 | gordboy | alaK, try aptitude |
| 17:32.43 | tarzeau | omri: i'm not so fond of alternatives but apt-get is killer definitely |
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| 17:32.52 | hark | omri: so decided to install Debian then? ;) |
| 17:32.53 | omri | I love the package collection |
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| 17:33.03 | tarzeau | omri: yes it's the largest i know of |
| 17:33.04 | omri | hark: I have debian on my server, not on my desktop |
| 17:33.08 | omri | which will change soon enough :) |
| 17:33.15 | alaK | My love is starting to disspeare |
| 17:33.22 | tarzeau | alaK: why so? |
| 17:33.26 | omri | and the thing I love the most about it is you can get support quickly |
| 17:33.29 | alaK | Because of mathers like |
| 17:33.30 | alaK | drweb-daemon: Depends: libidn11 (>= 0.5.13) but it is not installable |
| 17:33.32 | omri | it has a huge community |
| 17:33.35 | dimitrios | hi. does anybody know how I can find which is my generic device? |
| 17:33.36 | alaK | etc. |
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| 17:33.44 | tarzeau | alaK: etch? |
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| 17:33.51 | alaK | sarge |
| 17:33.57 | tarzeau | dimitrios: for what? |
| 17:33.59 | valdyn | alaK: not a clean sarge |
| 17:34.06 | valdyn | alaK: did you mess with /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 17:34.08 | hark | omri: ah, heh nice :) |
| 17:34.18 | omri | hark, what is? :P |
| 17:34.21 | alaK | yes |
| 17:34.26 | alaK | But i have "sarge" |
| 17:34.29 | alaK | not "stable" |
| 17:34.35 | tarzeau | alaK: and what else? unofficial stuff? |
| 17:34.41 | hark | omri: your love ;p |
| 17:34.42 | tarzeau | alaK: can you post your sources.list please? |
| 17:34.58 | alaK | deb http://security.debian.org sarge/updates main contrib non-free |
| 17:34.58 | alaK | deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-free |
| 17:34.59 | valdyn | drweb-daemon isnt in debian so uh |
| 17:35.03 | alaK | deb http://autoinstall.plesk.com/debian/PSA_8.1.1/ sarge all |
| 17:35.04 | valdyn | or is it? |
| 17:35.06 | alaK | thats all |
| 17:35.11 | tarzeau | alaK: see plesk is not debian |
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| 17:35.23 | tarzeau | alaK: you only have the real debian if all urls in sources.list end with debian.org |
| 17:35.23 | valdyn | alaK: you miss debians main repository |
| 17:35.27 | valdyn | alaK: so most packages |
| 17:35.27 | dimitrios | tarseau : to use in Grip configuration |
| 17:35.28 | tarzeau | valdyn: that too |
| 17:35.44 | tarzeau | !non-US |
| 17:35.44 | dpkg | rumour has it, non-us is where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see ... |
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| 17:35.48 | alaK | would you be so kind and share me your sources.list :D |
| 17:35.54 | valdyn | alaK: you should have a few 100 at most, from the 10000 |
| 17:35.59 | tarzeau | alaK: was that a woody machine before? |
| 17:36.04 | alaK | No |
| 17:36.15 | valdyn | !sources.list |
| 17:36.15 | dpkg | methinks sources.list is something like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free" where cc is your country code. see <mirrors>, /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list. also see <etch security> |
| 17:36.16 | tarzeau | alaK: how did you get that non-us into your sources.list? |
| 17:36.24 | alaK | i put it myself |
| 17:36.27 | omri | I'm having trobule with my wireless NIC: http://rafb.net/p/WqcCVa55.html |
| 17:36.30 | valdyn | alaK: remove it |
| 17:36.32 | tarzeau | alaK: it doesn't exist anymore |
| 17:36.34 | omri | it says it cannot load the firmware |
| 17:36.55 | valdyn | omri: you have to download the firmware and put it into /lib/firmware/ |
| 17:37.06 | omri | nope, where is it written to do so? :\ |
| 17:37.06 | alaK | ok |
| 17:37.10 | dimitrios | tarzeau: I need to use my generic scsi device in Grip configuration |
| 17:37.17 | omri | I'm going "blind", no manual in front of my eyes |
| 17:37.31 | valdyn | omri: such things are in /usr/share/doc/<packagename> |
| 17:37.36 | omri | lets see... |
| 17:38.02 | valdyn | omri: i grabbed firmware off the windows driver cd, and put it there.. |
| 17:38.10 | dimitrios | hi. does anybody know how I can find which is my generic SCSI device? |
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| 17:38.32 | tarzeau | ouch E: Unable to write mmap - msync (28 No space left on device) |
| 17:38.38 | omri | valdyn, what's the file name I should look for? |
| 17:38.50 | valdyn | omri: i dont have your card, read the documentation.. |
| 17:38.55 | omri | ok, thanks |
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| 17:39.40 | valdyn | omri: or http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/ |
| 17:41.15 | dimitrios | so, how do we find which is the generic SCSI device? |
| 17:41.18 | valdyn | dimitrios: /dev/sg0 is my guess |
| 17:41.20 | omri | I didn't understand that whole firmware thingy. why do WiFi cards need firmware besides the driver? |
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| 17:41.29 | hark | omri: how did you install the drivers? |
| 17:41.35 | valdyn | omri: most things have firmware |
| 17:42.00 | valdyn | omri: loading it saves some hardware costs for the device manufacturer |
| 17:42.04 | xingu | omri: because 802.11 needs hard realtime and no host stack can provide it. |
| 17:42.09 | dimitrios | valdyn: any idea how to make sure this is the generic SCSI device? |
| 17:42.22 | valdyn | dimitrios: any sg is a generic scsi device |
| 17:42.23 | hark | valdyn: i think this one dosen't have |
| 17:42.23 | omri | hark, that module-assistance package |
| 17:42.40 | valdyn | hark: what does not have what? |
| 17:42.50 | omri | I know devices use firmware, but why isn't the firmware on the card itself? |
| 17:42.56 | omri | why does it have to be loaded each and every time? |
| 17:43.05 | valdyn | omri: hardware costs |
| 17:43.22 | omri | heh.. are you serious ? :) |
| 17:43.28 | valdyn | omri: certainly |
| 17:43.37 | omri | why do you see it only in WiFi cards? |
| 17:43.38 | hark | valdyn: firmware (at least i thought so) |
| 17:43.57 | valdyn | hark: ah, his driver is bitching about it, its a rt61pci |
| 17:44.05 | xingu | omri: you don't, some of the newer NIC's are going that route too. |
| 17:44.15 | hark | yes, those need it |
| 17:44.16 | valdyn | hark: just the 25ers dont need firmware loading |
| 17:44.27 | omri | only cheap ones? |
| 17:44.49 | purplepenguins | fscking syslog |
| 17:44.53 | xingu | omri: there's an extra incentive in the packet radio world - regulatory approval |
| 17:45.12 | purplepenguins | how do I tell it that my processor isn't running too hot so it stops spamming my console with error message |
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| 17:45.19 | hark | valdyn: right, was thinking about the RT2500 :) |
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| 17:45.38 | valdyn | purplepenguins: tell what? |
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| 17:45.47 | purplepenguins | rather, syslog |
| 17:45.48 | valdyn | purplepenguins: are you seeing your cpu throwing exceptions? |
| 17:45.51 | purplepenguins | no |
| 17:45.54 | valdyn | purplepenguins: tell us the message |
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| 17:46.00 | valdyn | purplepenguins: syslog does not generate errors |
| 17:46.00 | omri | ok, seems like I got it up and running |
| 17:46.05 | purplepenguins | syslog keeps sending up kernel error messages saying that my proc is running too hot |
| 17:46.11 | omri | now another question, what's wmaster0 ? |
| 17:46.13 | purplepenguins | it is sending messages to the console |
| 17:46.13 | valdyn | purplepenguins: tell us the error |
| 17:46.22 | omri | I have two interfaces on iwconfig, wmaster0 and wlan0 |
| 17:46.23 | valdyn | purplepenguins: ok, read /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 17:46.24 | alaK | Ok, so i've updated my sources.list, and now instead of 50 not installable packages, there are now about 7 |
| 17:46.25 | hark | purplepenguins: /etc/sysctl.conf (kernel.printk), but you shouldn't ignore it |
| 17:46.37 | dimitrios | valdyn: my system has all devices from /dev/sg0 to sg16. Anyway to find out which is my generic one? |
| 17:46.40 | valdyn | purplepenguins: looks like a real error anyway |
| 17:46.42 | purplepenguins | penguins kernel: CPU0 is running above threshold |
| 17:46.43 | alaK | Starting with libapache2-mod-python: Depends: apache2.2-common but it is not going to be installed. |
| 17:46.45 | valdyn | dimitrios: the first, try it |
| 17:46.47 | valdyn | dimitrios: sg0 |
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| 17:46.58 | purplepenguins | I don't know how it knows it's too hot, and why it thinks it is |
| 17:47.09 | valdyn | purplepenguins: your cpu is throwing exceptions |
| 17:47.10 | purplepenguins | my proc does run hot |
| 17:47.28 | purplepenguins | when I go above 50% though it throws exceptions |
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| 17:47.46 | alaK | What should i do ? |
| 17:47.49 | purplepenguins | I've had this computer for years and it never did this before I installed Debian |
| 17:48.11 | valdyn | purplepenguins: its not debians fault that your cpu runs hot |
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| 17:48.26 | valdyn | purplepenguins: oses may inform you about this or not. This is GOOD feature |
| 17:48.29 | purplepenguins | that is true, but it's reminding me of it every minute... |
| 17:48.49 | purplepenguins | It's only running like 65 degrees celcius or so |
| 17:48.50 | hark | alaK: apache2.2 is not in sarge |
| 17:48.57 | purplepenguins | which is normal for it |
| 17:49.00 | omri | what's wmaster0 ? |
| 17:49.05 | omri | (interface) |
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| 17:49.09 | alaK | hark: I have "stable" and "sarge" in sources.list |
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| 17:49.19 | valdyn | purplepenguins: you set a threshold in your bios? |
| 17:49.30 | purplepenguins | I wish I had bought an Athlon 64 instead of the Prescott Pentium 4 |
| 17:49.36 | hark | alaK: etch is stable now, that's why... change stable to sarge |
| 17:49.39 | purplepenguins | I don't think I did |
| 17:49.58 | hark | alaK: sarge is oldstable |
| 17:50.02 | valdyn | alaK: its possible that you have apache installed and now are trying to install a package that depends on apache2 |
| 17:50.21 | valdyn | alaK: you fucked up your sources.list again btw |
| 17:50.24 | dimitrios | valdyn: I just did. Grip says it finished ripping and encoding but it actually hasn't ripped anything. I thought that maybe the problem was that I did not use the correct generic SCSI device, but maybe this is not my problem. |
| 17:50.41 | alaK | valdyn: No, i dont have apache installed.. |
| 17:50.46 | purplepenguins | hmm |
| 17:50.48 | purplepenguins | blah |
| 17:50.51 | valdyn | alaK: show your new sources.list |
| 17:50.52 | vin` | omri: http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php?title=Rt2x00_README#Interfaces: |
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| 17:51.14 | omri | thanks |
| 17:51.23 | valdyn | omri: ignore it, rt2500 has this feature to have multiple virtual nics on one 'wmaster0' |
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| 17:51.29 | valdyn | omri: that wmaster isnt used directly |
| 17:51.40 | omri | that's for more signal strength? |
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| 17:51.47 | omri | like a WiFi bridge? |
| 17:51.49 | polishkoop | can anyone send me a tutorial that explains how i can use samba to see my windows shared folder? |
| 17:51.52 | valdyn | omri: no, to do things at the same time |
| 17:51.58 | dimitrios | thanks anyway |
| 17:52.12 | alaK | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free |
| 17:52.12 | alaK | deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-free |
| 17:52.12 | alaK | deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free |
| 17:52.13 | wintix | polishkoop: you could mount it. |
| 17:52.22 | wintix | !tell alaK about paste |
| 17:52.22 | alaK | Plus i have the same with sarge |
| 17:52.31 | valdyn | alaK: sarge IS NOT stable |
| 17:52.32 | alaK | only 3 lines... |
| 17:52.35 | omri | hmm I'm planning to use it as Ad-Hoc, do I need to work on the master interfcae? |
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| 17:52.37 | polishkoop | wintix: i have no idea how to use samba or networking things. ive been looking on google and whatnot for some time now, but it just goes over my head |
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| 17:52.59 | ZathrasZ | polishkoop,: apt-get install samba-client |
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| 17:53.11 | polishkoop | ZathrasZ: i did that |
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| 17:53.16 | valdyn | alaK: remove the stable lines.. or upgrade to etch properly ( etch is stable ) |
| 17:53.22 | ZathrasZ | then use: smbclient -L nameofwindowsmachine |
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| 17:53.26 | wintix | polishkoop: mounting a samba share is simple. apt-get install smbfs after that mount -t smbfs //server/share /mnt/mountpoint |
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| 17:53.55 | valdyn | omri: no |
| 17:54.09 | omri | ok. thanks |
| 17:54.32 | alaK | Ok, i removed stable from the sources.list, apache2 disspeared, but now i have 6 instead of 7 :/ |
| 17:54.37 | valdyn | omri: you can use the package rt2500 btw, contains a GUI tool for your nic |
| 17:54.49 | ZathrasZ | it's all in the Samba howto's and in the freely downloadable O'Reilly book on the subject |
| 17:54.56 | alaK | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:55.02 | omri | nah; I want to do things "the hard way" |
| 17:55.13 | valdyn | alaK: so apt-get install psa-php4-configurator |
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| 17:55.50 | alaK | Cant |
| 17:55.53 | alaK | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:55.56 | alaK | E: Broken packages |
| 17:56.01 | valdyn | omri: your driver does not work nicely with many wlan tools, gui or not, so that tool is neat anyway to see if things work ok |
| 17:56.24 | omri | hmm... iwconfig won't work? |
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| 17:56.33 | valdyn | alaK: go on, 'apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4', want to get to the bottom of this issue |
| 17:56.56 | alaK | libapache2-mod-php4: Depends: php4-common (= 4:4.3.10-20) but 6:4.4.4-8+etch2 is to be installed |
| 17:57.06 | alaK | :O |
| 17:57.19 | valdyn | alaK: so you STILL have an etch or stable line? |
| 17:57.37 | valdyn | alaK: or you just didnt run 'apt-get update' after fixing sources.list |
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| 17:58.10 | alaK | No i dont have a stable line on sources.list, i commented them out, and yes i did run apt-get update |
| 17:58.19 | polishkoop | Zathras: i did it, it showed the stuff, but how do I acutally get in it? |
| 17:58.32 | valdyn | alaK: i dont believe you, show that file |
| 17:59.07 | alaK | Ok, this is my sources.list: |
| 17:59.08 | valdyn | !paste |
| 17:59.08 | dpkg | well, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC or if those are not working, ask me about <pastebin> for other options |
| 17:59.10 | Mazingaro | hi |
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| 17:59.15 | bbelt16a2 | hello |
| 17:59.15 | purplepenguins | wow |
| 17:59.18 | purplepenguins | I was wrong |
| 17:59.30 | alaK | I was going to, get 1 line per 5 seconds, but ok. |
| 17:59.31 | purplepenguins | turns out my proc is running a stifling 80 degrees C |
| 17:59.37 | Mazingaro | may I use lvm to make two different disks act like one and install on both them debian 4.0? |
| 17:59.40 | purplepenguins | wonder how that happened... |
| 17:59.41 | wintix | alaK: don't paste in the channel. |
| 18:00.03 | valdyn | Mazingaro: you can, but its fucking stupid |
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| 18:00.26 | gpm | aw |
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| 18:00.44 | purplepenguins | either that or my sensors are fucking stupid which is possibly |
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| 18:00.56 | yettenet | Hi there... could you recommend me an image-viewing program? |
| 18:01.02 | purplepenguins | the mobo temperature is listed as -43 C |
| 18:01.11 | purplepenguins | yettenet: gqview is a decent gtk one |
| 18:01.18 | valdyn | purplepenguins: in debian? |
| 18:01.18 | Mazingaro | valdyn: why? I got 2 4.3GB ide disks, then I'll get 8.6GB |
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| 18:01.26 | yettenet | purplepenguins: Thanks, I'm gonna try it |
| 18:01.33 | purplepenguins | yes |
| 18:01.35 | valdyn | Mazingaro: because if only one disk breaks you will loose the whole filesystem |
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| 18:01.56 | purplepenguins | but my BIOS lists the CPU temperature at the same as in sensors |
| 18:02.16 | purplepenguins | it could be that my mobo sensors are whacked |
| 18:02.21 | valdyn | purplepenguins: debian can read sensors, but it doesnt do a good job interpreting what it reads |
| 18:02.29 | purplepenguins | considering that two weeks ago it was 65 under load |
| 18:02.49 | alaK | http://pastebin.4programmers.net/2063 |
| 18:02.57 | Mazingaro | valdyn: I don't care, it isn't a critical mission pc |
| 18:03.16 | purplepenguins | fucking pentium 4 intel bullsh*t |
| 18:03.28 | purplepenguins | err fscking |
| 18:03.32 | purplepenguins | sorry |
| 18:03.51 | valdyn | purplepenguins: maybe its your cpu fan that broke |
| 18:04.08 | purplepenguins | no, I opened the side of my case, I can see it moving |
| 18:04.17 | valdyn | alaK: ok, run 'apt-get -f install', let us know if that does something |
| 18:04.18 | purplepenguins | though my main 120 fan is looking slow |
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| 18:04.45 | alaK | It gives exactly the same error |
| 18:04.50 | reiser2 | hi |
| 18:04.58 | reiser2 | i buyed a Lexmark Z810 |
| 18:05.02 | valdyn | alaK: purge offending packages till things are ok |
| 18:05.04 | wintix | !tell reiser2 about ask |
| 18:05.19 | valdyn | alaK: i think you got etch stuff into your system, which is bad |
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| 18:05.22 | reiser2 | how can i get the drivers? is there any compatible? |
| 18:05.31 | valdyn | alaK: finding and purging those would be a good idea.. |
| 18:05.45 | wintix | reiser2: check /msg dpkg printer |
| 18:05.50 | georgy28 | reiser2 : http://linuxprinting.org will tell you |
| 18:06.01 | alaK | I havent installed many packages, only "screen" that i am aware of... |
| 18:06.22 | alaK | It's my providers fuckup, they added "stable" to sources.list |
| 18:06.24 | Bogus8 | can you use bookmarks and scripts calls with lftp? like lftp *thebookmark* -f *the/script* |
| 18:06.39 | wintix | alaK: try uncommenting the plesk stuff, too. |
| 18:06.52 | valdyn | alaK: this could be _really_ hard to fix depending on what etch stuff you got |
| 18:07.18 | wols | Bogus8: I think yes, but just use ncftpget instead. it's made for scripting |
| 18:07.27 | valdyn | alaK: maybe your provider has an easy way to restore the original system.. that would be best in case you have etch packages |
| 18:07.57 | alaK | Well, i can do a fresh install in seconds :) |
| 18:08.00 | Bogus8 | wols: I'm actually just renaming files on the server |
| 18:08.14 | valdyn | alaK: neat, go ahead, fix sources.list before installing anything |
| 18:08.44 | alaK | I will try |
| 18:08.51 | alaK | I will keep you updated, brb. |
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| 18:09.00 | valdyn | alaK: and rip out the non-us junk.. |
| 18:09.07 | purplepenguins | blah stupid bios |
| 18:09.19 | purplepenguins | I think it's the sensors, I don't think the proc is really overheating... |
| 18:09.31 | valdyn | purplepenguins: that cpu sensors is on the cpu die |
| 18:09.45 | purplepenguins | unless my heatsink is falling off... |
| 18:09.55 | wols | valdyn: not necessarily |
| 18:10.02 | purplepenguins | it did get bumped around a lot |
| 18:10.04 | bbelt16a2 | hey peeps how do i find out what drivers i am using? |
| 18:10.12 | bbelt16a2 | for my nvidia card? |
| 18:10.14 | valdyn | wols: no? on which cpu is it not? |
| 18:10.14 | wols | bbelt16a2: drivers for what? |
| 18:10.27 | purplepenguins | that would piss me off to no end, I don't have my computer stuff around right now |
| 18:10.36 | valdyn | bbelt16a2: grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 18:10.37 | bbelt16a2 | nvidia drivers i want to see if my compiled drivers work. |
| 18:10.41 | wols | valdyn: on many. just cause the CPU has a sensor doesn't mean the mobo can read that sensor |
| 18:10.44 | purplepenguins | I'd have to take it off and put new thermal stuff on |
| 18:10.53 | wols | P3 and athlons don't even have sensors inside the CPU |
| 18:11.02 | bbelt16a2 | ok |
| 18:11.03 | purplepenguins | I have pentium 4 |
| 18:11.06 | purplepenguins | a* |
| 18:11.10 | wols | bbelt16a2: glxinfo |
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| 18:11.39 | wols | perlmonkey: as I said, the mobo needs to support the sensors inside the cpu. and not all do |
| 18:11.45 | purplepenguins | I wonder if I can get an amd athlon 64 x2 and a mobo for less than $100 |
| 18:11.47 | erxz_paste | "toto" at 71.6.194.243 pasted "titi" (1 line) at http://erxz.com/pb/2658 |
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| 18:11.53 | purplepenguins | probably not |
| 18:12.03 | wols | but P4 is overheating protection built in: if it gets too hot, it throttles itself (gets slower) |
| 18:12.10 | purplepenguins | yeah, it does |
| 18:12.32 | purplepenguins | but the throttling is weird, it will throttle and not get significantly cooler |
| 18:12.44 | bbelt16a2 | segment fault |
| 18:12.54 | purplepenguins | so it keeps sending error messages |
| 18:12.56 | wols | of course. it only throttles exactly so it won't gethotter/too hot |
| 18:12.57 | bbelt16a2 | glx missing on display |
| 18:13.08 | valdyn | bbelt16a2: grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 18:13.08 | bbelt16a2 | sigh i think it not working.. |
| 18:13.11 | wols | bbelt16a2: then you didn't do it right |
| 18:13.13 | purplepenguins | but it runs at 85 degrees C |
| 18:13.15 | valdyn | bbelt16a2: nv has no glx support |
| 18:13.18 | purplepenguins | according to the sensor |
| 18:13.20 | wintix | bbelt16a2: dmesg | grep NVIDIA |
| 18:13.35 | bbelt16a2 | Driver "nvidia" |
| 18:13.50 | wols | bbelt16a2: check you have libGL and it's loaded |
| 18:13.52 | alaK | YES!!! |
| 18:13.57 | alaK | So far so good |
| 18:14.00 | purplepenguins | i don't want to spend too much money on a new heatsink/fan |
| 18:14.02 | alaK | Plesk continued the install |
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| 18:14.08 | bbelt16a2 | nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel. |
| 18:14.08 | bbelt16a2 | NVRM: loading NVIDIA Linux x86 Kernel Module 1.0-7184 Tue Aug 1 18:38:58 PDT 2006 |
| 18:14.18 | regulate_ | purplepenguins: cheaper than a new cpu |
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| 18:14.25 | bbelt16a2 | libg how do i dod that wois |
| 18:14.26 | purplepenguins | I know that |
| 18:14.27 | alaK | valdyn: thank you, for clearing out what was the problem. |
| 18:14.34 | wintix | bbelt16a2: do you have nvidia-glx installed? |
| 18:14.41 | purplepenguins | but still more money than I want to spend |
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| 18:14.44 | valdyn | alaK: welcome |
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| 18:15.08 | bbelt16a2 | i use legacy is that incompatible with beryl??? |
| 18:15.10 | regulate_ | purplepenguins: how hot is it runing? |
| 18:15.18 | bbelt16a2 | nvidia-glx-legacy |
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| 18:15.28 | bbelt16a2 | i am running a AGP nvidia card |
| 18:15.43 | bbelt16a2 | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV20 [GeForce3 Ti 200] (rev a3) |
| 18:15.45 | wintix | bbelt16a2: you need a 1.0.9xxx driver for AIGLX to work, afaik. |
| 18:15.53 | bbelt16a2 | ok... |
| 18:15.54 | purplepenguins | 85C according to the BIOS |
| 18:15.56 | bbelt16a2 | how do i get it? |
| 18:16.01 | wols | bbelt16a2: irrelevant right now since before beryl you need glxinfo to work properly |
| 18:16.02 | purplepenguins | which is very unusual |
| 18:16.03 | regulate_ | bbelt16a2: lsmod|grep nv |
| 18:16.08 | valdyn | bbelt16a2: you dont if you card needs a legacy driver |
| 18:16.11 | purplepenguins | I've had it for two years and it hasn't run that hot before |
| 18:16.31 | Nielsen | regulate_: grep -i glx /var/log/Xorg* ? |
| 18:16.36 | purplepenguins | hmm, the scythe ninja is cheap-ish now |
| 18:16.42 | valdyn | bbelt16a2: cant use aiglx on that card |
| 18:16.47 | Nielsen | regulate_: i had the same problem last week |
| 18:16.47 | purplepenguins | highly doubtful I can fit it in my case though |
| 18:17.09 | bbelt16a2 | ok so is there a way to get it to work do i need a newer video card or something? or can i use XGL? |
| 18:17.19 | valdyn | bbelt16a2: you can use xgl |
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| 18:17.23 | wols | purplepenguins: thermalright > * |
| 18:17.26 | wols | but with your CPU if it |
| 18:17.29 | bbelt16a2 | ok is there a xgl how to around here? |
| 18:17.35 | wols | if it's socket 775: get a new CPU :) |
| 18:17.35 | valdyn | bbelt16a2: after you fix your driver.. glxinfo should work, glxgears should work |
| 18:17.51 | bbelt16a2 | how do i fix it? |
| 18:17.56 | bbelt16a2 | where are the proper drivers> |
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| 18:18.04 | regulate_ | nvidia' |
| 18:18.08 | regulate_ | nvidia's site |
| 18:18.17 | purplepenguins | thermalright makes huge heatsinks right? |
| 18:18.21 | bbelt16a2 | no, i am not using those cant i use |
| 18:18.22 | valdyn | regulate_: NO! |
| 18:18.24 | wols | purplepenguins: yes |
| 18:18.37 | wols | bbelt16a2: did you use the debian way to install or nvidia's installer? |
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| 18:18.51 | purplepenguins | I can't fit a large heatsink in my case |
| 18:18.57 | regulate_ | valdyn: are they bad? |
| 18:18.57 | bbelt16a2 | debian wya! |
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| 18:19.05 | purplepenguins | I have micro-atx |
| 18:19.06 | wols | scythe aren't small either afaik |
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| 18:19.11 | purplepenguins | no they aren't |
| 18:19.15 | bbelt16a2 | wois i used the debian way debian xconfig |
| 18:19.16 | valdyn | regulate_: no, but he cant mix them with debians nvidia package(s) that he already said he had installed |
| 18:19.32 | regulate_ | ok |
| 18:19.45 | Ai_Itai | Hi, I am not a debian user and I have a problem |
| 18:19.53 | Ai_Itai | I have Debian Sarge |
| 18:20.04 | Ai_Itai | and I need to get libc6-dev pkg |
| 18:20.12 | darrend | hi all. What's my best option for re-installing a machine whose CD drive is broken (and which is too awkward to reach to replace it)? Floppy disks or some kind of tftp netboot? |
| 18:20.12 | Ai_Itai | when I do |
| 18:20.15 | wols | !tell Ai_Itai about b-e |
| 18:20.15 | Ai_Itai | apt-get install libc6-dev |
| 18:20.20 | wintix | Ai_Itai: you are not a debian user but you have a debian sarge problem? |
| 18:20.25 | Ai_Itai | I get |
| 18:20.27 | wols | and make sure you have "oldstable" or "sarge" in your sources.list |
| 18:20.28 | Ai_Itai | he following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 18:20.28 | Ai_Itai | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:20.28 | Ai_Itai | E: Broken packages |
| 18:20.41 | wols | Ai_Itai: fix your sources.list |
| 18:20.43 | valdyn | Ai_Itai: you have a mixed sarge/etch environment |
| 18:20.52 | wols | oldstable or sarge. NOT stable or etch |
| 18:21.00 | regulate_ | bbelt16a2: did you verify that your driver module is loaded? |
| 18:21.15 | Ai_Itai | in /et/apt/sources.list I have |
| 18:21.17 | Ai_Itai | cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:21.17 | Ai_Itai | #deb file:///cdrom/ sarge main |
| 18:21.17 | Ai_Itai | deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sarge main contrib non-free |
| 18:21.17 | Ai_Itai | deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free |
| 18:21.21 | regulate_ | nooo |
| 18:21.24 | wols | darrend: debootstrap |
| 18:21.32 | pickcoder | Ai_Itai: apt-get update |
| 18:21.37 | pickcoder | then try again |
| 18:21.49 | pickcoder | but verify what apt is going to do before you say "yes" to anything |
| 18:22.15 | Ai_Itai | I have tried apt-get update but this does not help |
| 18:22.25 | darrend | wols: thanks.. is there a howto for that at debian.org? |
| 18:22.33 | pickcoder | has it always been sarge in sources.list/ |
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| 18:22.51 | alaK | My provider isn't probably the only one who is making the same mistake. Adding stable to sources.list. |
| 18:22.56 | wintix | darrend: /msg dpkg debootstrap |
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| 18:23.07 | pickcoder | Etch was released a little while back and if you did an update after stable changed then you have a mixed system |
| 18:23.08 | alaK | Since, they haven't heard about it. |
| 18:23.15 | valdyn | alaK: its really debian fault, probably, as that is the default, should use the codename instead |
| 18:23.39 | alaK | True |
| 18:23.44 | valdyn | alaK: at least for a while debian used the release stage, not the codename |
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| 18:24.14 | xoz_ | Ai_Itai: pastebin apt-cache show policy |
| 18:24.26 | bbelt16a2 | regulate how do i do that? |
| 18:24.35 | alaK | yes, a lot of people dont probably check debian.org everyday, so they can't be informed for issues like that |
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| 18:24.46 | xoz_ | Ai_Itai: try apt-get distupgrade |
| 18:24.46 | regulate_ | bbelt16a2: lsmod|grep nv |
| 18:24.57 | Ai_Itai | apt-cache show policy |
| 18:24.57 | Ai_Itai | W: Unable to locate package policy |
| 18:24.57 | Ai_Itai | E: No packages found |
| 18:25.14 | bbelt16a2 | nvidia 3929100 8 |
| 18:25.14 | bbelt16a2 | agpgart 29896 2 nvidia,sis_agp |
| 18:25.15 | darrend | wintix: thx |
| 18:25.22 | h3h_timo | hey all, what cd should i get to install debian?? i was looking through the list and there are like 20 |
| 18:25.28 | lindylex | hello all |
| 18:25.35 | pickcoder | !tell h3h_timo about d-i |
| 18:25.45 | xoz_ | Ai_Itai: apt-get distupgrade |
| 18:25.47 | regulate_ | bbelt16a2: are you using beryl? |
| 18:25.48 | wintix | h3h_timo: if you have broadband connectivity, get a netinstall image for your architecture. |
| 18:25.50 | bbelt16a2 | you got broadband connection h3h? use the net install if you want |
| 18:25.56 | bbelt16a2 | not ATM i want to use it :) |
| 18:26.01 | bbelt16a2 | regulate ^ |
| 18:26.08 | regulate_ | hmm |
| 18:26.08 | lindylex | how do i get knetworkmanager into 64bir encryption? I don't see it as an option. |
| 18:26.19 | h3h_timo | wintix, does it have a graphical installer? |
| 18:26.37 | Ai_Itai | xoz_: I will try, thank you, but is not that dangerous ? |
| 18:26.48 | bbelt16a2 | h3h_timo: yes it does |
| 18:26.57 | wintix | h3h_timo: never used it but i think it has. |
| 18:27.03 | regulate_ | bbelt16a2: any errors in /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? |
| 18:27.05 | h3h_timo | bbelt16a2, and its better to do net install? |
| 18:27.20 | bbelt16a2 | less cd changing |
| 18:27.24 | alaK | !tell alak about sarge |
| 18:27.24 | xoz_ | Ai_Itai: nope. just try what is the message, dont press return. just describe it to use first. |
| 18:27.25 | wintix | h3h_timo: it saves bandwidth and stress |
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| 18:27.45 | Ai_Itai | I've tried and: |
| 18:27.46 | pickcoder | h3h_timo: the new Etch installer does but you have to enable it by typing installgui at the install boot prompt |
| 18:27.47 | Ai_Itai | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 18:27.48 | Ai_Itai | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 18:27.48 | Ai_Itai | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 18:27.48 | Ai_Itai | Calculating Upgrade... Done |
| 18:27.48 | Ai_Itai | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
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| 18:28.00 | pickcoder | it's basically an X version of the ncurses installer |
| 18:28.04 | maher | i have a box that won't respond to arping - any advice? |
| 18:28.05 | pickcoder | nothing fancy yet |
| 18:28.07 | h3h_timo | pickcoder, is the etch installer stable? |
| 18:28.14 | pickcoder | h3h_timo: /topic |
| 18:28.16 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 18:28.17 | bbelt16a2 | (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to load GLX |
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| 18:28.20 | alaK | is dpkg public code, or self coded ? |
| 18:28.35 | regulate_ | bbelt16a2: does it say why |
| 18:28.35 | omri | I'm having trouble configuring my WLAN in Ad-Hoc mode :\, the commands I've used are: iwconfig wlan0 essid test-adhoc mode ad-hoc channel 3; ifconfig wlan0 192.168.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 192.168.0.255 |
| 18:28.44 | omri | the kernel hangs a few seconds afterwards |
| 18:28.48 | wols | alaK: dpkg is a blootbot |
| 18:28.55 | bbelt16a2 | i had glx commented out i am gonna restart and see.. |
| 18:29.03 | h3h_timo | wintix, debian-40r0-i386-netinst.iso ... sound right?? |
| 18:29.04 | bbelt16a2 | regulate_: BRB |
| 18:29.10 | wintix | h3h_timo: yes. |
| 18:29.10 | regulate_ | gl |
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| 18:29.32 | xoz_ | omri: kernel hangs? you cannot goto terminal? |
| 18:29.41 | pickcoder | h3h_timo: I've used it.. it's OK but I still prefer the keyboard interface for installing |
| 18:29.42 | h3h_timo | wintix, alright thanks |
| 18:29.50 | pickcoder | in case you have video card problems |
| 18:29.56 | omri | xoz_, my SSH session freezes, no ping replies |
| 18:29.59 | h3h_timo | pickcoder, well is it graphical at all? |
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| 18:30.04 | pickcoder | it's an X installer |
| 18:30.05 | pickcoder | yes |
| 18:30.08 | debianix | has there been any security patches out yet for etch ? |
| 18:30.15 | tarzeau | debianix: sure |
| 18:30.28 | pickcoder | the input prompts have been converted from ncurses input to buttons, checkboxes, etc |
| 18:30.36 | tarzeau | debianix: http://www.debian.org/security/ |
| 18:30.44 | debianix | i did a apt-get update, updated my kernel only :S |
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| 18:30.58 | xoz_ | omri: seems that there is some problem with your ip address. the comp may still be working but you lost the connection. |
| 18:31.05 | wintix | !tell Ai_Itai about pastebin |
| 18:31.05 | debianix | and for some reason i can't get usb to work for some reason |
| 18:31.09 | Ai_Itai | sorry, any help ? |
| 18:31.22 | omri | xoz_, I don't think so... |
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| 18:31.28 | omri | I'll check it though |
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| 18:31.47 | omri | just one last thing before that, I'm checking the tool for my WLAN NIC |
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| 18:32.04 | xoz_ | omri: ssh freezes because it lost the connection. you seldom can hang the kernel due to faulty network configuration. this is not windows |
| 18:32.13 | h3h_timo | pickcoder, no, without running installgui, is it graphical? |
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| 18:32.23 | pickcoder | I believe there is also an expertgui option for the "expert" ncurses installer mode |
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| 18:32.34 | xoz_ | omri: and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools |
| 18:32.35 | pickcoder | h3h_timo: it uses ncurses |
| 18:32.37 | omri | well... I got segfaults on earlier operations... |
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| 18:32.51 | pickcoder | unless you specify installgui or expertgui |
| 18:33.28 | Ai_Itai | http://pastebin.ca/486017 |
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| 18:33.40 | Ai_Itai | this is what I get after dist-upgrade |
| 18:33.43 | xoz_ | omri: place the config in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:33.43 | h3h_timo | pickcoder, so a simple gui installer? |
| 18:33.54 | pickcoder | *sigh* |
| 18:33.59 | wintix | heh |
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| 18:34.28 | pickcoder | if you let the net installer boot without specifying any boot params then you will get a text-based "gui-ized" ncurses insaller |
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| 18:34.53 | pickcoder | if you specify installgui or expertgui then you will get an X installer that works just like the ncurses one |
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| 18:35.27 | h3h_timo | pickcoder, alright |
| 18:35.28 | h3h_timo | thanks |
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| 18:35.54 | pickcoder | welcome |
| 18:35.58 | xoz_ | Ai_Itai: apt-cache policy in pastebin |
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| 18:36.01 | pickcoder | bbl.. tile grouting calls |
| 18:36.32 | JessicaLi | hello, after a recent upgrade my IBM r50e running sid completely lost the sound output. I read the FAQ of debian wiki but not helpful. I am sure 1) alsa module snd_intel8x0 has been includ Does someone give me the hint where can i find the problem, thankse the kernel 2)my normal account as been added to audio group. |
| 18:36.52 | JessicaLi | sorry |
| 18:37.05 | sepski | JessicaLi, turn up volume ? |
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| 18:37.21 | cahoot | JessicaLi: try dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base |
| 18:37.23 | Ai_Itai | xoz_: ready |
| 18:37.26 | JessicaLi | ok |
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| 18:37.55 | jzxu | which graphics card has better driver support, ati or nvidia? |
| 18:38.06 | Wyzard | JessicaLi: IIRC, that laptp has hardware volume buttons on it... make sure you didn't accidentally bump the mute button |
| 18:38.26 | wintix | jzxu: /msg dpkg polls |
| 18:39.08 | omri | xoz_, http://rafb.net/p/ijGIDJ72.html , does this seem ok? |
| 18:39.13 | JessicaLi | still not working :( |
| 18:39.15 | infester | I get kernel panic about rootfs cannot be mounted, can this be due to an invalid yaboot.conf or do i need to compile support for anything else in it? |
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| 18:39.31 | JessicaLi | however, xmms reports /dev/dsp failed |
| 18:39.34 | wintix | JessicaLi: what does alsaconf tell you? |
| 18:39.41 | perlmonkey | whos callin me |
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| 18:39.45 | cahoot | JessicaLi: run yes | aplay in a term - noise or error msg? |
| 18:39.51 | JessicaLi | Failed to open audio device (/dev/dsp): Device or resource busy |
| 18:39.56 | ma3x | you know any site with cool greetings? |
| 18:40.10 | cahoot | JessicaLi: fuser -v /dev/dsp* |
| 18:40.42 | JessicaLi | cahoot: fuser returns nothing |
| 18:40.59 | cahoot | JessicaLi: fuser -v /dev/snd/* |
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| 18:41.36 | JessicaLi | cahoot: it retuns many messages |
| 18:41.40 | bbelt16ag | ok i am back now i have no errors in my xorg config. |
| 18:41.44 | omri | I'm having troubles with my wireless lan. I've ran iwconfig and ifconfig over the interface, I want it to operate in Ad-Hoc mode; here are the outputs of iwconfig wlan0 and ifconfig wlan0: http://rafb.net/p/ijGIDJ72.html , what could be wrong here? |
| 18:41.54 | cahoot | esd or artsd or what? |
| 18:42.02 | bbelt16ag | i took out the compsite extension part and now beryl is saying it needs it.. is it used for xgl as well >? |
| 18:42.21 | JessicaLi | it says esd, gnome-alsamixer and slmodemd |
| 18:42.52 | wintix | omri: what's the problem? |
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| 18:43.06 | regulate_ | bbelt16ag: do you have xgl running? |
| 18:43.14 | omri | wintix, I can't find that network from a windows xp computer |
| 18:43.15 | wols | omri: what is the other end of the connection? |
| 18:43.18 | wintix | omri: maybe set a channel. |
| 18:43.19 | cahoot | JessicaLi: I'd suggest pkill esd and gnome-alsamixer then test sound again |
| 18:43.24 | JessicaLi | ok |
| 18:43.33 | omri | I did set a channel. it just doesn't show there |
| 18:43.51 | omri | is there a problem with me setting all the iwconfig parameters in one line?... (stupid question, but just to be sure) |
| 18:43.56 | wols | omri: have you set up the windows side as well? |
| 18:44.05 | omri | wols, it finds other networks around here... |
| 18:44.21 | wols | omri: that's not what I asked |
| 18:44.27 | bbelt16ag | regulate_: what is the command to check? xgears or something |
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| 18:44.34 | omri | then no. I haven't done anything on the windows side |
| 18:44.37 | omri | I'm just scanning. |
| 18:44.40 | wols | bbelt16ag: glxinfo is. not glxgears |
| 18:44.56 | xoz_ | omri: place the config in /etc/network/interfaces ... and you have not connected to any AP |
| 18:45.09 | wols | xoz_: ad hoc mode is what he wants |
| 18:45.14 | omri | xoz_, I want to be the AP .... |
| 18:45.22 | omri | and I didn't touch /etc/network/interfaces _yet_ |
| 18:45.23 | regulate_ | bbelt16ag: glxgears |
| 18:45.26 | omri | I want it to work first. |
| 18:45.28 | JessicaLi | cahoot: the xmms returns working, but still no sound output!!!! |
| 18:45.32 | regulate_ | bbelt16ag: and glxinfo |
| 18:45.44 | JessicaLi | what the strange problem is |
| 18:45.45 | regulate_ | bbelt16ag: also http://sonique6784.blogspot.com/ |
| 18:45.51 | cahoot | JessicaLi: test sound with aplay |
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| 18:46.04 | xoz_ | omri: ad-hoc means you want host AP? |
| 18:46.05 | bbelt16ag | ok its working i believe |
| 18:46.07 | bbelt16ag | name of display: :0.0 |
| 18:46.07 | bbelt16ag | display: :0 screen: 0 |
| 18:46.07 | bbelt16ag | direct rendering: Yes |
| 18:46.07 | bbelt16ag | server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation |
| 18:46.12 | regulate_ | bbelt16ag: good |
| 18:46.12 | omri | yes |
| 18:46.14 | bbelt16ag | that and more i dont wanna get banned |
| 18:46.24 | omri | I want this computer to act like a cheap router |
| 18:46.24 | cahoot | JessicaLi: wrt xms - you told it to use alsa output? |
| 18:46.44 | bbelt16ag | glxgears works |
| 18:46.48 | bbelt16ag | ok so now what? |
| 18:46.59 | regulate_ | bbelt16ag: beryl-manager |
| 18:47.03 | xoz_ | omri: then, you have to follow the doc how to configure it in /usr/doc/wireless-tools. also, you have to make sure the driver/card supports AP mode |
| 18:47.07 | bbelt16ag | apt-get it ? |
| 18:47.20 | omri | how do I check if it supports it? |
| 18:47.20 | regulate_ | bbelt16ag: read that url i gave you |
| 18:47.33 | omri | and the doc doesn't really say anything. I've been through it. twice. |
| 18:47.35 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 18:47.51 | JessicaLi | cahoot: aplay with no sound. But I tried to use knoppix to bootup, it works well |
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| 18:48.01 | omri | the wireless docs are treble |
| 18:48.45 | xoz_ | omri: but there is a ready-made example for cut and paste |
| 18:48.52 | cahoot | JessicaLi: esd resurfaced? |
| 18:48.53 | valdyn | omri: iwconfig wlan0 mode master |
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| 18:48.57 | valdyn | omri: tried that ^^ ? |
| 18:49.01 | omri | no. sec. |
| 18:49.09 | JessicaLi | cahoot: i killed all esd process |
| 18:49.49 | valdyn | omri: after that, try to associate. That should work, just ip stuff isnt set up yet, i suppose |
| 18:49.51 | xoz_ | omri: follow this: http://www.wlug.org.nz/WirelessSetupNotes |
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| 18:50.19 | omri | valdyn, still not working. |
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| 18:50.27 | valdyn | omri: what isnt? |
| 18:50.32 | valdyn | omri: how do you know its not working? |
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| 18:50.45 | cahoot | JessicaLi: you said you rebooted using knoppix - no? |
| 18:50.56 | omri | I'm searching for WiFi networks from my laptop (winxp) |
| 18:51.14 | krifur | hello, how can i install lame with lenny ? |
| 18:51.15 | JessicaLi | i did about 2 hours ago |
| 18:51.31 | xoz_ | omri: iwconfig wlan0 mode Ad-Hoc; iwconfig wlan0 essid "omri"; iwconfig wlan0 channel 6 |
| 18:51.36 | cahoot | JessicaLi: ok - so now it's debian etch or what? |
| 18:51.44 | JessicaLi | debian sid |
| 18:52.12 | omri | I've even added ifconfig wlan0 192.168.0.1; because I did ifconfig wlan0 down before |
| 18:52.17 | maher | krifur: yes - use marillat's debian multimedia repository |
| 18:52.20 | Nielsen | krifur: www.debian-multimedia.org |
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| 18:52.22 | cahoot | JessicaLi: and aplay just results in silence - no error? |
| 18:52.33 | bbelt16ag | regulate_: well its started up and stuff i tried clicking on the manager but no window is poping upp .... well it just did nm |
| 18:52.34 | valdyn | omri: that misses ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 18:53.09 | omri | hmm.. did that now, didn't work, but didn't do it when I changed the card to master mode |
| 18:53.10 | Dame | Ive just installed Debian on a vm and im getting message about some program might be trying to access hardware directly every 30 seconds. How do i disable this warning? |
| 18:53.11 | omri | so lets try that again |
| 18:53.13 | JessicaLi | yes, that's the strangest thing, all audio player looks work but no sound |
| 18:53.27 | krifur | hello, how can i install lame with lenny ? |
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| 18:53.30 | valdyn | omri: master is ap, ad-hoc is ad-hoc.. |
| 18:53.42 | xoz_ | omri: then, ifconfig wlan0 10.10.10.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 10.10.10.255 up |
| 18:53.52 | cahoot | JessicaLi: alsamixer shows pcm unmuted? |
| 18:54.03 | omri | xoz_, my lan is 10.0.0.0/8 |
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| 18:54.11 | omri | that's why I used 192.168 |
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| 18:54.18 | takezo | hi! |
| 18:54.22 | xoz_ | omri: then, adjust to your needs |
| 18:54.22 | valdyn | omri: setting ip addresses isnt needed to scan or associate |
| 18:54.32 | omri | valdyn, master doesn't work |
| 18:54.37 | JessicaLi | once I open alsa-mixer |
| 18:54.38 | omri | valdyn, well, just to make sure... |
| 18:54.44 | takezo | anybody can help me with apt..? i need install mplayer but i dont know i can i do.. |
| 18:54.55 | JessicaLi | the xmms does not work again ... but it should work together |
| 18:54.56 | takezo | i have amd64 |
| 18:54.58 | wols | !dell takezo about dmm |
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| 18:55.08 | JessicaLi | I opened the pcm switch |
| 18:55.12 | wols | takezo: www.debian-multimedia.org |
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| 18:55.20 | regulate_ | !tell takezo about dmm |
| 18:55.27 | cahoot | JessicaLi: alsamixer or gnome-alsamixer? |
| 18:55.34 | JessicaLi | gnome-alsamixer |
| 18:55.38 | omri | wlan0 IEEE 802.11g ESSID:"omri" |
| 18:55.38 | omri | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:55.39 | takezo | wols: but i need dependencies.. |
| 18:55.47 | takezo | who can i do to install it..? |
| 18:55.51 | cahoot | JessicaLi: then I suspect esd is resurrected |
| 18:55.53 | omri | why when I alter the mode, essid becomes "" ? |
| 18:55.58 | wols | takezo: then you haven't set up the rest of your sources.list properly |
| 18:56.07 | wols | takezo: paste it in a pastebin |
| 18:56.13 | maher | takezo: i htought they moved maplyer to main |
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| 18:56.34 | takezo | wols i dont unterstad,,?? what do you need..? |
| 18:56.44 | wols | takezo: your sources.list |
| 18:56.50 | takezo | ok! |
| 18:56.51 | wols | !tell takezo about sources.list |
| 18:56.53 | takezo | waith.. |
| 18:56.54 | wols | !tell takezo about mirrors |
| 18:56.56 | JessicaLi | cahoot: it is not opened |
| 18:57.03 | bbelt16ag | i am confused.. i dont see anything different.. |
| 18:57.11 | valdyn | omri: looks like this driver does not support master mode |
| 18:57.12 | takezo | !tell takezo about sources.list |
| 18:57.15 | cahoot | JessicaLi: ok I was wrong |
| 18:57.18 | xoz_ | omri: alter the mode and do iwconfig essid "omri" again. if you place it in /etc/network/interfaces, it will be easy. just do /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 18:57.18 | valdyn | omri: not entirely sure, but looks like it |
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| 18:57.47 | stoned | ding dong! |
| 18:57.56 | JessicaLi | cahoot: by the way, where can I check the message during the boot? |
| 18:57.57 | takezo | wols: |
| 18:58.03 | takezo | this is my sourcelist.. |
| 18:58.05 | takezo | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:58.07 | takezo | 7-12:52]/ etch contrib main |
| 18:58.09 | takezo | deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r0 Etch - Official amd64 kde-CD Binary-1 20070407- |
| 18:58.11 | takezo | 12:52]/ etch contrib main |
| 18:58.13 | xoz_ | Ai_Itai: what happened? |
| 18:58.13 | takezo | # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: |
| 18:58.15 | wols | pastebin! |
| 18:58.15 | takezo | #deb http://ftp.es.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
| 18:58.17 | takezo | deb-src http://ftp.es.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
| 18:58.19 | takezo | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 18:58.21 | takezo | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 18:58.24 | cahoot | JessicaLi: /var/log/dmesg (and boot if bootlogd enabled) |
| 18:58.26 | valdyn | omri: there's a new driver, but i dont recommend it before its in mainline, which could be linux-2.6.22 |
| 18:58.27 | takezo | its ok..? |
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| 18:58.37 | wols | takezo: uncomment #deb http://ftp.es.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
| 18:58.39 | xoz_ | !tell takezo -about pastebin |
| 18:58.40 | maher | takezo: no - run apt-setup |
| 18:58.41 | wols | then you can get mplayer |
| 18:58.43 | takezo | wols: i do not unterstadn |
| 18:58.49 | Ai_Itai | yah!!! I get it, I've put deb ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ testing main and it seems to help |
| 18:58.49 | wols | maher: there is no apt-setup |
| 18:58.51 | Ai_Itai | thanks |
| 18:58.57 | Nyle | wtf |
| 18:59.00 | Nyle | why? |
| 18:59.00 | cahoot | JessicaLi: syslog also of course |
| 18:59.06 | takezo | please private me..! i dont undestand.. |
| 18:59.08 | stoned | huh |
| 18:59.09 | takezo | :-( |
| 18:59.12 | Nyle | wait |
| 18:59.16 | stoned | wtf! |
| 18:59.18 | stoned | damn irc client |
| 18:59.22 | wols | takezo: remove the '#' |
| 18:59.39 | maher | wols: umm... try removing the # from the "#deb http://ftp.es.debian.org/debian/ etch main" line |
| 18:59.46 | edju | Anybody know what Tolkein's doing on my disk? /usr/share/doc/libdvdnav4/examples/FELLOWSHIP.map.gz? |
| 18:59.47 | stoned | wols? |
| 18:59.50 | wols | maher: don't tell me |
| 18:59.52 | JessicaLi | cahoot: syslogd shows: May 13 11:19:20 localhost kernel: intel8x0: clocking to 48000 |
| 19:00.10 | valdyn | edju: umm? |
| 19:00.12 | wols | stoned: hm? |
| 19:00.16 | stoned | huh? |
| 19:00.22 | JessicaLi | so it should in working order |
| 19:00.22 | wols | !confuse stoned |
| 19:00.22 | dpkg | No, those are their pants today, stoned? wellies of the democracy of tahiti with extra anchovies |
| 19:00.29 | stoned | pants? |
| 19:00.31 | debianix | JessicaLi, : just run alsaconf and it will modify modeprobe.d |
| 19:00.32 | stoned | wtf |
| 19:00.36 | wols | pants! |
| 19:00.36 | stoned | oh nm |
| 19:00.37 | JessicaLi | i tried panel volume botton |
| 19:00.40 | cahoot | JessicaLi: the fact that you can run alsamixer andaplay implies alsa is loaded all right |
| 19:00.45 | takezo | ready |
| 19:00.47 | takezo | and now..? |
| 19:00.58 | wols | takezo: apt-get update; apt-get install mplayer |
| 19:01.26 | JessicaLi | cahoot: i am going off the gnome session |
| 19:01.28 | bbelt16ag | regulate_: what is something easy there is too much to play with how do i get the cube thingie? |
| 19:01.30 | stoned | hey mplayer is shizboo |
| 19:01.33 | JessicaLi | and check if it works in console |
| 19:01.43 | stoned | !beryl |
| 19:01.43 | dpkg | beryl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager), HOWTO and links to package repositories are here: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Debian |
| 19:01.46 | regulate_ | bbelt16ag: look through the beryl manager settings |
| 19:01.49 | stoned | bbelt16ag: ^^ |
| 19:01.49 | hac | Anyone Has installed UT2004? |
| 19:01.54 | purplepenguins | !ut2004 |
| 19:01.54 | dpkg | i heard ut2004 is sequel of ut2003, which has improved graphics, faster framerates and cooler gameplay! And it runs on linux natively, with OpenGL. |
| 19:02.00 | wols | stoned: your brain is shizboo too |
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| 19:02.05 | takezo | s siguientes paquetes tienen dependencias incumplidas: |
| 19:02.05 | takezo | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:02.06 | takezo | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:02.06 | purplepenguins | I have |
| 19:02.06 | mdasilva | sup |
| 19:02.06 | takezo | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:02.07 | takezo | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:02.07 | stoned | wols: huh, why thank you |
| 19:02.07 | takezo | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:02.07 | purplepenguins | hac |
| 19:02.08 | takezo | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:02.09 | regulate_ | bbelt16ag: i forget what its called, but usually bound to your mousewheel , try it out |
| 19:02.09 | takezo | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:02.11 | stoned | hey |
| 19:02.12 | stoned | STOP |
| 19:02.13 | takezo | this is the error.. |
| 19:02.13 | stoned | wtf |
| 19:02.14 | Ronin | takezo: dont paste here please |
| 19:02.18 | stoned | !paster |
| 19:02.18 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 19:02.21 | takezo | sorry Ronin |
| 19:02.21 | Ronin | takezo: if you want to paste use pastebin.ca |
| 19:02.22 | wols | takezo: stop that you imebecile |
| 19:02.22 | stoned | wols: shizboo == ood |
| 19:02.24 | stoned | good* |
| 19:02.35 | stoned | bleeding imbecile |
| 19:02.39 | purplepenguins | hac, why do you ask? |
| 19:02.44 | RichiH | takezo: heh |
| 19:02.44 | stoned | ahaha |
| 19:02.47 | takezo | wols: sorry |
| 19:02.49 | mdasilva | good |
| 19:02.56 | stoned | whats going on in here man |
| 19:02.57 | stoned | im so confused |
| 19:02.58 | hac | <purplepenguins> well I need a configured ut2004.ini |
| 19:03.03 | JessicaLi | cahoot: see ya later |
| 19:03.04 | purplepenguins | you shouldn't be stoned all the time then |
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| 19:03.09 | stoned | im not |
| 19:03.12 | JessicaLi | cahoot: thanks so much anyway |
| 19:03.16 | purplepenguins | I know that, j/k |
| 19:03.17 | takezo | dont install mplayer |
| 19:03.17 | wols | stoned: less mary jane and it becomes all clearer |
| 19:03.23 | takezo | it say i need depend |
| 19:03.23 | purplepenguins | mplayer is good though |
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| 19:03.27 | stoned | going on 3 months no pot |
| 19:03.31 | takezo | who can i do..? |
| 19:03.31 | stoned | im sober as a bird |
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| 19:03.36 | stoned | if birds were sober |
| 19:03.37 | regulate_ | lies |
| 19:03.38 | stoned | whatever |
| 19:03.49 | purplepenguins | yeah, birds are fscking alcoholics |
| 19:03.51 | regulate_ | call ur mother |
| 19:03.54 | regulate_ | its mothers day |
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| 19:04.06 | bbelt16ag | ok. um enlightment is doing that not BERYL , i wanna see exploding windows and the cube thing.. |
| 19:04.08 | takezo | wols: please, help me |
| 19:04.25 | stoned | takezo: depends on what you like. men or women? |
| 19:04.29 | purplepenguins | hac: hmm I had it installed before but not right now, sorry |
| 19:04.38 | regulate_ | bbelt16ag: you have to enable that effect i think |
| 19:04.38 | purplepenguins | hac: why would you need that though |
| 19:04.39 | wols | takezo: use a different mirror then. not ftp.es |
| 19:04.41 | takezo | sotoneme |
| 19:04.46 | stoned | bbelt16ag: you have to run beryl window manager |
| 19:04.51 | stoned | bbelt16ag: ask in #beryl |
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| 19:04.54 | takezo | wols: what mirror can i put..? |
| 19:04.58 | stoned | bbelt16ag: officially it is not supported by debian |
| 19:05.09 | stoned | since it isn't packaged into debian |
| 19:05.10 | takezo | stoned: im men |
| 19:05.19 | wols | takezo: whichever you want |
| 19:05.23 | stoned | takezo: then you who can you do? you can probably do women |
| 19:05.27 | takezo | ok |
| 19:05.29 | takezo | uk |
| 19:05.38 | takezo | U.K what is ftp..? |
| 19:05.39 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:05.41 | wols | !tell takezo about apt-spy |
| 19:05.44 | stoned | hehe, |
| 19:05.46 | stoned | that was hilarious |
| 19:05.54 | DevilChaos | ok ive come to the conclusion why im getting shit downloads with my torrents is that it may be my router acording to shields up ALL ports on my router are stealthed is this either a good thing or a bad thing im not sure what i can do to solve this when i think my specified port should be open and not stealthed for receiveing connections for torrent downloads |
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| 19:06.07 | takezo | stoned: i need to install mplayer and dependencies.. |
| 19:06.09 | stoned | DevilChaos: ok, first of all, grc is full of shit |
| 19:06.22 | DevilChaos | ok |
| 19:06.22 | takezo | stoned: with apd |
| 19:06.26 | wols | DevilChaos: that is a router problem. not a debian problem. you need to portforward the port used for BT |
| 19:06.30 | stoned | DevilChaos: secondly, configure your torrent client and remember the port |
| 19:06.37 | stoned | DevilChaos: then forward that port to your internal ip |
| 19:06.49 | stoned | takezo: /msg dpkg dmm |
| 19:06.51 | DevilChaos | yup av already done this |
| 19:07.24 | Nielsen | damn, no wonder my pc has been slow all day - seti@home was running in the background |
| 19:07.26 | DevilChaos | its a netgear router im using dg834 |
| 19:07.27 | takezo | stoned: the problem is when i try to install mplayer with ap |
| 19:07.33 | stoned | takezo: what problem? |
| 19:07.34 | wols | DevilChaos: if it's really "stealthed" (what a shit name, and I wouldn't even trust grc if he said the sky is blue...) then you haven't done it properly |
| 19:07.35 | takezo | stoned: the problem is when i try to install mplayer with ap it say i need dependencies |
| 19:07.47 | stoned | takezo: which debian release are you using? |
| 19:08.00 | wols | stoned: amd64, etch |
| 19:08.10 | takezo | stoned: amd64 etch |
| 19:08.15 | takezo | thanks wols |
| 19:08.19 | wols | and ftp.es.debian.org etch main is in his sourecs.list. after an apt-get update he still has dependency problems |
| 19:08.32 | regulate_ | mixed env |
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| 19:08.35 | stoned | what is the exact output of apt? |
| 19:08.37 | stoned | !paster |
| 19:08.38 | takezo | thats its my problem..! |
| 19:08.38 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 19:08.40 | stoned | paste this takezo |
| 19:08.46 | takezo | its large.. |
| 19:08.48 | wols | stoned: not long ago he pasted it all in here... scroll up |
| 19:08.54 | stoned | i know |
| 19:08.57 | stoned | i hit /clear |
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| 19:09.11 | takezo | i pasate |
| 19:09.12 | takezo | ready |
| 19:09.14 | DevilChaos | wols so how can i find out if the port is actually accepting connections for downloading if i cant believe the grc site? |
| 19:09.15 | stoned | not here |
| 19:09.17 | stoned | in pastebin |
| 19:09.18 | regulate_ | !ready |
| 19:09.19 | takezo | where |
| 19:09.25 | stoned | !tell takezo -about paster |
| 19:09.26 | takezo | how can i paste in pastebin.? |
| 19:09.30 | wols | DevilChaos: telnet from outside to it |
| 19:09.45 | wols | takezo: dpkg has sent you many many messages. read them |
| 19:09.56 | DevilChaos | friend to do it? |
| 19:10.07 | wols | DevilChaos: if telnet gets a connection, then the port is open and BT is listening behind it |
| 19:10.12 | takezo | wols how can i paste in pastebin.? |
| 19:10.12 | wols | yes for example |
| 19:10.15 | stoned | jeez |
| 19:10.18 | wols | takezo: with a webbrowser |
| 19:10.24 | takezo | url..? |
| 19:10.29 | stoned | wtf is he blind |
| 19:10.32 | stoned | goddamn |
| 19:10.33 | takezo | please |
| 19:10.35 | xoz_ | !pastebin |
| 19:10.36 | dpkg | from memory, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.ca/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 19:10.36 | wols | takezo: dpkg gave you several. learn to read |
| 19:10.37 | stoned | im losing my patience man |
| 19:10.37 | regulate_ | stoned: tag ur it |
| 19:10.54 | takezo | ready |
| 19:10.56 | xoz_ | !sunday |
| 19:10.56 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
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| 19:11.05 | wols | xoz_: thanks for reminding me |
| 19:11.11 | takezo | http://pastebin.ca/486077 |
| 19:11.16 | takezo | my paste |
| 19:11.18 | takezo | :-P |
| 19:11.19 | stoned | takezo: go to http://channels.debian.net/paste/ in your web browser. then copy the output from th terminal and paste it there and hit submit |
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| 19:11.46 | takezo | and now..? |
| 19:11.57 | stoned | takezo: im sure you've done apt-get update/ |
| 19:12.10 | stoned | takezo: try aptitude install mplayer |
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| 19:12.14 | takezo | yes i do..! |
| 19:12.26 | stoned | lets see how that resolves the dependencies |
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| 19:13.00 | debianix | how do you apply security patches for the system in debian ? |
| 19:13.10 | wols | !security |
| 19:13.10 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade". If you're still running woody, consider "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-non-US stable non-US/contrib non-US/main non-US/non-free" for non-us security, or ask me about testing security or unstable security |
| 19:13.12 | stoned | debianix: from security.debian.org? |
| 19:13.17 | takezo | ready |
| 19:13.19 | stoned | or patching the sources of packages yourself? |
| 19:13.21 | takezo | now |
| 19:13.23 | takezo | ? |
| 19:13.33 | wols | takezo: don't ask. just paste |
| 19:13.39 | wols | and then paste in the url in here |
| 19:13.40 | stoned | on pastebin |
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| 19:13.44 | debianix | well i did and update and upgrade |
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| 19:14.03 | jzxu | which graphics card has better support in linux, nvidia or ati? |
| 19:14.10 | stoned | nvidia by far |
| 19:14.10 | regulate_ | nvidia |
| 19:14.16 | wols | jzxu: nvidia of course |
| 19:14.16 | jzxu | great, thanks |
| 19:14.21 | takezo | http://pastebin.ca/486084 |
| 19:14.22 | debianix | but i asked before on here and i saw a few vulnerabilities on the site, i guess it doesn't apply to my system |
| 19:14.23 | takezo | ready |
| 19:14.23 | stoned | radeon drivers are ok, as well as ati |
| 19:14.24 | factotum | from personal exp i would say nvidia |
| 19:14.25 | stoned | fglrx sucks |
| 19:14.28 | takezo | any idea |
| 19:14.34 | jzxu | I guess I'm getting an nvidia card for my new laptop then |
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| 19:14.44 | xoz_ | debianix: as long as you have the security site in /etc/apt/sources.list, update and upgrade should do security. |
| 19:14.57 | takezo | wols: http://pastebin.ca/486084 |
| 19:15.00 | debianix | cheers :D so i think i am up to date |
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| 19:15.03 | takezo | stoned: http://pastebin.ca/486084 |
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| 19:15.09 | factotum | i had an ati card on a freebsd box, but never had x on it |
| 19:15.15 | mick_home | anyone ever used the kmobiletools package to sync a bluetooth phone? I have a Motorola (the one that everyone and their mother has) - and i'm trying to figure out what settings to put here: http://img154.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshotcw5.png -- any help would greatly be appreciated! I can see the bluetooth device via `hcitool scan` -- so i know that bluetooth works |
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| 19:16.13 | wols | takezo: if you look closely yout apt-get update throws lots of errors |
| 19:16.18 | wols | choose another mirror |
| 19:16.29 | takezo | what mirror.. |
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| 19:16.34 | xoz_ | wow, that is a lot of translation |
| 19:16.34 | takezo | y paste to my source list.. |
| 19:16.35 | stoned | takezo: here |
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| 19:16.39 | stoned | !dmm |
| 19:16.39 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. http://debian-multimedia.org - Also see <marillat> factoid (/msg dpkg marillat) |
| 19:16.39 | wols | your ftp.es.debian mirror |
| 19:16.40 | takezo | from file |
| 19:16.42 | stoned | go here |
| 19:16.48 | stoned | use the mirror from this website |
| 19:16.51 | stoned | for amd64 |
| 19:16.54 | takezo | http://pastebin.ca/486086 |
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| 19:17.07 | xoz_ | takezo: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 19:17.15 | justin420 | anybody point me in the direction of a good howto to get beryl going with a nvidia 6800 gs with a multiheaded xinerama display? |
| 19:17.28 | wols | !beryl |
| 19:17.28 | dpkg | beryl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager), HOWTO and links to package repositories are here: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Debian |
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| 19:17.43 | stoned | justin420: you'll have to run off xinerama and use twinview |
| 19:17.50 | krifur | how can i install the lame package withe deboan lenny ? |
| 19:17.50 | krifur | sry i have much lag :/ |
| 19:17.55 | takezo | how can i writte the mirror in my file..? |
| 19:18.14 | stoned | takezo: just put it in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:18.18 | wols | takezo: nano /etc/apt/sources.list as root |
| 19:18.21 | stoned | takezo: and remove the cdrom entries |
| 19:18.26 | stoned | wols: you take it man |
| 19:18.31 | stoned | im getting a headache |
| 19:18.32 | jzxu | hmm, think there's any way I can get lenovo to sell me a laptop without any OS's preinstalled? |
| 19:18.33 | justin420 | yeah im kinda worried about the xineramamamama thingie; and i cant even get beryl to load right now; it just wants to use metacity? |
| 19:18.36 | stoned | my patience is running thing |
| 19:18.41 | takezo | ok, ready i remove the cdrom entries, now..? |
| 19:18.42 | bbelt16ag | sigh |
| 19:18.48 | wols | stoned: I certainly won't. I'm insane enough already |
| 19:18.50 | stoned | justin420: go to #beryl please |
| 19:19.04 | justin420 | 10-4 captain. |
| 19:19.08 | xoz_ | takezo: uncomment #deb http://ftp.es.debian.org/debian/ etch main .... and remove use ftp.debian.org instead of ftp.es.debian.org |
| 19:19.12 | *** mode/#debian [+l 831] by debhelper |
| 19:19.13 | wols | justin420: read what stoned told you |
| 19:19.26 | justin420 | i did |
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| 19:19.55 | wols | justin420: then try to understand it. cause your question above betrayed your total non comprehensiona of what he said |
| 19:20.07 | stoned | im gonna go take flour, put oil and water and milk in it, and make some dough so i can make homemade fried pita breads |
| 19:20.21 | takezo | sorry but i dont know i can i do. |
| 19:20.26 | justin420 | yeah sure dude, 10-4 captain. |
| 19:20.29 | takezo | what writte in source list..? |
| 19:20.34 | wols | stoned: with some meat filling? takezo and justin420 might taste good.... |
| 19:20.39 | xoz_ | takezo: do you know how to edit a file? |
| 19:20.40 | stoned | lol |
| 19:20.45 | debianix | can also ask why wine is so slow on etch |
| 19:20.55 | takezo | yes i know i can i edit with vi |
| 19:21.06 | jelly-home | debianix: was it faster before? |
| 19:21.06 | wols | debianix: you can ask but don't exepct an answer on nonsensical questions |
| 19:21.07 | debianix | when i type in the command, it take 7 mins to lod |
| 19:21.08 | xoz_ | takezo: vi /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 19:21.14 | xand | debianix: fine for me :D |
| 19:21.14 | takezo | but i dont know what remove or what add..? |
| 19:21.15 | stoned | wols: no i got a pakistani styled vege mix. its spicy thick gravey with potatoes, green peas, chopped baby carrots and colliflower |
| 19:21.30 | stoned | wols: mash it up and put it between two pitas, close it up on the sides, and fry it |
| 19:21.31 | haxality | debianix: I don't think that's a problem with Etch. I think that's a problem with something conflicting on your system. |
| 19:21.37 | wols | stoned: meat filling. think of #debian! we will be eternally grateful |
| 19:21.41 | takezo | im, in file. |
| 19:21.42 | stoned | wols: lol |
| 19:21.44 | takezo | now..? |
| 19:21.47 | debianix | yeah bloody toshidba :P |
| 19:21.51 | debianix | toshiba |
| 19:21.53 | omri | My kernel panics when use my WLAN as Ad-Hoc :\ |
| 19:22.01 | omri | what can I do? I've upgraded the firmware |
| 19:22.05 | wols | omri: borken driver tghen |
| 19:22.06 | stoned | omri: my kernel panics when i use dhcp instead of static ip |
| 19:22.08 | nightfreak | is it possible to get a simple apache php4 fastcgi setup without the need for patching and recompiling packages? |
| 19:22.09 | debianix | i was so excited to get etch working on my lappy |
| 19:22.15 | De_Mon | rawr, there has to be a way I can force /usr to remount readonly instead of giving me this 'busy' crap |
| 19:22.19 | omri | wols, blah :\ |
| 19:22.21 | solemnwarning | Is it possible to install two dhcpd's on a network with one acting as a backup incase the main one goes down? |
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| 19:22.30 | omri | I've installed it with m-a :\ |
| 19:22.36 | debianix | then when installing i found out the bios is incompatible and makes most of the system non working |
| 19:22.37 | wols | debianix: mount -o remount ? |
| 19:22.43 | debianix | and i have an ati card |
| 19:22.51 | xoz_ | takezo: use ftp.debian.org instead of ftp.es.debian.org |
| 19:22.52 | stoned | debianix: so do I. X runs great on it |
| 19:22.52 | omri | what do you recommand me to do? |
| 19:22.58 | takezo | xoz: |
| 19:23.01 | debianix | yeah x, not beryl :P |
| 19:23.05 | takezo | xoz: now..? |
| 19:23.18 | wols | debianix: XGL |
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| 19:23.24 | mptech | XGL is a waste |
| 19:23.31 | mptech | stick with AIGLX if you don't have an nvidia card |
| 19:23.32 | xoz_ | takezo: whenever you want |
| 19:23.36 | stoned | well its the only option if you want to use ati |
| 19:23.44 | De_Mon | wols mount -o remount,ro says /usr is busy |
| 19:25.01 | stoned | aiglx is not suported by intel gfx or fglrx |
| 19:25.01 | debianix | ati doesn't work with aiglx |
| 19:25.01 | mptech | I was under the impression that aiglx worked with ati cards |
| 19:25.01 | mptech | :o |
| 19:25.01 | takezo | ready |
| 19:25.01 | debianix | not 9700 series anyway |
| 19:25.01 | stoned | aiglx is only supported by nvidia drivers and radeon drivers, not even ati afaik |
| 19:25.02 | takezo | xoz: i wan install mplayer |
| 19:25.02 | jelly-home | stoned: what? i915 runs well with AIGLX. |
| 19:25.02 | stoned | jelly-home: really? |
| 19:25.03 | stoned | jelly-home: my info is proabbly outdated |
| 19:25.03 | debianix | due to phoenix bios, as well, option toshiba in the kernel and toshiba acpi are not able to load |
| 19:25.03 | jelly-home | stoned: and everything from distro. |
| 19:25.04 | takezo | xoz: but it say i need dependencies |
| 19:25.04 | stoned | hmm |
| 19:25.04 | debianix | then again, fnfx doesn't work nor do all the toshiba options |
| 19:25.05 | jelly-home | stoned: well, except beryl from git. |
| 19:25.08 | stoned | guitar institute of technology? |
| 19:25.12 | stoned | wtf is git? |
| 19:25.16 | stoned | !git |
| 19:25.16 | dpkg | git is probably version control system that was started by Linus Toravalds, which is currently used to maintain the linux kernel, http://git.or.cz/, or http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git.html |
| 19:25.19 | stoned | oh |
| 19:25.23 | jelly-home | stoned: cvs, svn, ... git |
| 19:25.27 | stoned | yeh |
| 19:25.32 | xoz_ | takezo: copy this: http://pastebin.ca/486110 |
| 19:25.44 | xoz_ | takezo: into your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 19:26.33 | takezo | xoz: ready, now..¿? |
| 19:26.41 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:27.03 | xoz_ | takezo: what are your asking? it is always now! |
| 19:27.24 | takezo | i can install mplayer..¿? |
| 19:27.35 | xoz_ | takezo: you change it already? |
| 19:27.36 | DevilChaos | a take it thats the only way round my problem then by gettin someone to port scan my connection? |
| 19:27.37 | takezo | ummm. |
| 19:27.49 | xoz_ | takezo: change it first |
| 19:27.57 | DevilChaos | or could i change the router ? |
| 19:28.07 | takezo | ok! |
| 19:28.12 | hark | !git =~ s/Toravalds/Torvalds |
| 19:28.13 | takezo | i think it work fine |
| 19:28.20 | takezo | xoz: |
| 19:28.25 | takezo | xoz: thank you..! |
| 19:28.35 | xoz_ | !beer takezo |
| 19:28.45 | takezo | ofcourse |
| 19:28.46 | takezo | ! |
| 19:28.48 | takezo | :-P |
| 19:28.57 | jelly-home | hark: you need to close the s/foo/bar/ |
| 19:29.19 | hark | yeah, i did it :) |
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| 19:29.23 | jelly-home | !git |
| 19:29.23 | dpkg | well, git is version control system that was started by Linus Torvalds, which is currently used to maintain the linux kernel, http://git.or.cz/, or http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git.html |
| 19:29.26 | jelly-home | woo |
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| 19:31.37 | xand | http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/07/05/13/1659245.shtml |
| 19:31.40 | solemnwarning | Is there a command to show memory usage in KB/MB of processes? |
| 19:32.10 | purplepenguins | xand: yay! |
| 19:32.12 | jelly-home | solemnwarning: top, but it's not very accurate |
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| 19:32.21 | hark | haha, no they won't |
| 19:32.40 | purplepenguins | except they probably won't be as good |
| 19:33.15 | xand | hark: why not? |
| 19:33.26 | jelly-home | solemnwarning: press M (uppercase) to order by RESident memory usage |
| 19:33.36 | purplepenguins | will they be 3D accelerated? will they be comparable to the closed source drivers? |
| 19:33.43 | solemnwarning | That shows in % |
| 19:34.14 | omri | http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg279458.html this is what I'm getting |
| 19:34.19 | jelly-home | solemnwarning: look at the "RES" column |
| 19:34.47 | solemnwarning | What is RES measured in? |
| 19:35.00 | xoz_ | solemnwarning: or ps axl |
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| 19:35.06 | xand | litres |
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| 19:35.20 | xingu | hogsheads |
| 19:35.22 | jelly-home | solemnwarning: KB unless it can't fit |
| 19:35.31 | jelly-home | microfortnights? |
| 19:36.14 | xingu | solemnwarning: ps -eo pid,args,vsz |
| 19:36.24 | xingu | what *do* they teach the kids these days? |
| 19:36.28 | xand | jelly-home: a microfortnight is 1.2 seconds :) |
| 19:36.33 | jelly-home | vsz sux |
| 19:36.41 | xingu | solemnwarning: nb, you might want to think about which process would "own" a shared memory mapping |
| 19:37.10 | jelly-home | xingu: they teach them to ask on irc and not consult the manuals |
| 19:37.10 | jelly-home | ? |
| 19:37.11 | mptech | why isn't libcurl3 in unstable? |
| 19:37.40 | jelly-home | xand: how much is a jiffy? I'll be back in a jiffy |
| 19:37.45 | xoz | mptech: why not? it is unstable |
| 19:37.53 | mptech | xoz, just a question -_- |
| 19:38.30 | xoz | mptech: packages.debian.org or bts may have the answer |
| 19:38.40 | mptech | ah |
| 19:38.46 | mptech | been superceded by libcurl4 |
| 19:38.48 | xingu | jelly-home: with no_hz, a jiffie can be forever! |
| 19:39.03 | mptech | a bunch of packages still depend on it though :/ |
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| 19:39.25 | xoz | mptech: enable bash.completion so that it will give you the alternative by tab-completion |
| 19:39.45 | purplepenguins | blah |
| 19:39.52 | xand | jelly-home: unknown, ERROR |
| 19:39.58 | purplepenguins | I forgot that this computer doesn't use utf8 |
| 19:39.59 | mptech | xoz, how would I got about doing that? |
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| 19:40.36 | xoz | mptech: edit /etc/bash.bashrc ... at the last part |
| 19:40.37 | dexomsrc | I'm running lenny and want to upgrade to the k3b version in sid, but doing so requires tzdata and util-linux to be uninstalled. |
| 19:40.43 | dexomsrc | Is that bad? |
| 19:40.44 | hark | xand: because of things like http://airlied.livejournal.com/31180.html |
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| 19:41.05 | xoz | mptech: or even uncomment the lines in ~/.bashrc |
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| 19:41.30 | jelly-home | dexomsrc: take a look at the contents of those packages and draw a conclusion |
| 19:41.39 | xand | hark: if it's on emojournal it must be true! |
| 19:41.49 | donaldo | anyone else notice a gdbhistory file in /etc/samba? |
| 19:41.52 | donaldo | err, gdbcommands |
| 19:41.57 | dexomsrc | jelly-home: I have and that's what I normally do |
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| 19:42.16 | dexomsrc | jelly-home: I also have a sid machine running and that one seems to have tzdata installed which concerns me |
| 19:42.22 | donaldo | it seems to be causing some Ubuntu users problems somehow |
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| 19:42.29 | xoz | mptech: then apt-get install libcur<tab> will complete it. |
| 19:42.33 | hark | xand: but this looks different, maybe so... (this was earlier http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/05/10/1424224) |
| 19:42.37 | dexomsrc | The thing is that locales will be upgraded as well as k3b and numerous other things it depends on. |
| 19:42.37 | donaldo | the file somehow got into my system too, but it isn't affecting me |
| 19:42.42 | jelly-home | dexomsrc: could be a feature/bug of apt and your pinning setup |
| 19:42.52 | dexomsrc | Not the pinning setup |
| 19:43.01 | dexomsrc | I just have sid's repos enabled and that's it |
| 19:43.14 | jelly-home | dexomsrc: oh, that's not very smart :-) |
| 19:43.32 | dexomsrc | Why's that? |
| 19:43.41 | dexomsrc | I just disabled lenny repos only to install k3b |
| 19:43.41 | xoz | mptech: of course you have to run bash or open a new terminal to have the changes reflected. |
| 19:43.50 | hark | xand: we know you don't like livejournal ;) |
| 19:43.51 | dexomsrc | THen I was going to switch back to using the lenny ones |
| 19:43.55 | donaldo | saltpit:/etc/samba# dpkg -L samba-common | grep gdbcommands etc/samba/gdbcommands |
| 19:43.59 | jelly-home | dexomsrc: apt will take all it can from sid then, instead of just the bare minimum. |
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| 19:44.09 | dexomsrc | Ah |
| 19:44.27 | jelly-home | dexomsrc: have both sid and testing enabled, it might install less sid package |
| 19:44.29 | jelly-home | *s |
| 19:44.35 | dexomsrc | Okay |
| 19:44.45 | mptech | xoz, that's incredibly useful |
| 19:44.52 | dexomsrc | So I should enable both... but do I have to deal with pinning the repos at all? |
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| 19:45.33 | jelly-home | dexomsrc: if you're going to remove sid right after that, no |
| 19:45.33 | xoz | mptech: very. not ony apt-get but all other commands. it is a smart way and makes cli usage more efficient. |
| 19:45.34 | Zeelot | helloo |
| 19:45.47 | dexomsrc | Okay cool, I'll try that, thanks jelly-home! |
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| 19:46.34 | jelly-home | dexomsrc: if wants to upgrade bits of kde, libgnutls* and libxml2* here, that sounds reasonable |
| 19:46.36 | Zeelot | I am still trying to move my debian install to a bigger drive, how can I partition it to be identical to the one I use now but with a bigger /home partition? |
| 19:46.49 | xoz | mptech: apt-get remove libcu<tab> for example will give you things that are removal in your system that starts with libcu |
| 19:47.12 | mptech | I never knew bash completion worked with apt |
| 19:47.16 | mptech | it's quite impressive |
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| 19:47.38 | jelly-home | dexomsrc: oh, after upgrading KDE and/or kde libs, it's best to log off/log on or risk having strange errors with running apps |
| 19:47.41 | Sweetandy | Anybody know of a program for leaving a little to-do list for yourself? |
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| 19:47.43 | xoz | mptech: zsh and other shells support this also |
| 19:48.10 | xoz | mptech: but not enabled by default. for me, it should be enabled by default. |
| 19:48.22 | jelly-home | dexomsrc: eg. kde services started before upgrade + amarok started after upgrade --> amarok segfaulting in bizarre ways |
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| 19:49.38 | jelly-home | xoz: the completion engine in zsh can slow down the shell quite a bit |
| 19:49.53 | ErkiDerLoony | xoz: How to enable it? |
| 19:50.02 | xoz | jelly-home: yep |
| 19:50.22 | xoz | ErkiDerLoony: in ~/.bashrc or /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 19:50.35 | h3sp4wn | I think its worth the slow down (using zsh) |
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| 19:50.56 | xoz | ErkiDerLoony: look for bash_completion |
| 19:50.58 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: that explains for not having it on by default |
| 19:51.01 | omri | ok. I solved it! :) |
| 19:51.07 | omri | new driver did the trick :) :) :) :) |
| 19:51.21 | omri | mode master is not supported in this card. I use ad-hoc instead |
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| 19:51.33 | omri | I knew I'm not an idiot :] |
| 19:51.35 | omri | well, not a total idiot at least :P |
| 19:51.36 | h3sp4wn | jelly-home: yep - I don't really notice with zstyle ':completion:*' use-cache 1 |
| 19:51.41 | ErkiDerLoony | xoz: thx! |
| 19:51.59 | xoz | ErkiDerLoony: it will save a lot in your cli world |
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| 19:52.29 | xingu | jelly-home: just throw a faster cpu at it. :) |
| 19:52.41 | jelly-home | xingu: :-P |
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| 19:53.00 | ErkiDerLoony | xoz: Yap! That's true. I formerly used Ubuntu and apt-auto-completion was enabled there. I thought I had to wait for a more recent debian-version for having the feature. |
| 19:53.04 | Debian | :/ |
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| 19:53.14 | Debian | debhelper |
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| 19:53.19 | xand | Debian: are you the owner of this channel? |
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| 19:53.35 | jelly-home | that nick is going to be highlighted a lot here |
| 19:53.46 | omri | what's the name of the bridging package? |
| 19:53.56 | xingu | bridge-utils probably |
| 19:53.58 | jose1711 | hello, i made dd backup of entire harddrive (if dd=/dev/hda of=image.iso). how do i mount a specific partition now? |
| 19:54.01 | omri | thanks |
| 19:54.01 | Debian | xand yes |
| 19:54.03 | jelly-home | apt-cache search bridge ? |
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| 19:54.39 | omry | phpmyadmin package is missing the script file create_tables_mysql_4_1_2+.sql needed to create pmadb for mysql 4.1.2+, anyone knows why? |
| 19:54.47 | xoz | ErkiDerLoony: maybe, ubuntu's default is to enable it. it is not well-advertised but in cli, it is very useful. installing and removing files where you can remember only the first few letters of the name of the package. |
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| 19:55.36 | Debian | i can`t identifyed for this nick.. |
| 19:55.43 | mptech | git-core in unstable needs to be rebuilt against libcurl4 |
| 19:55.47 | ErkiDerLoony | xoz: Why should one not enable it by default? You don't commonly have that slow machines in these days. |
| 19:55.49 | jelly-home | Debian: change it |
| 19:56.06 | Joe_Black | yep |
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| 19:56.10 | Joe_Black | i speak spanish |
| 19:56.12 | xand | good |
| 19:56.16 | Joe_Black | jelly-home where u from |
| 19:56.16 | xand | !es |
| 19:56.16 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 19:56.17 | jelly-home | !es |
| 19:56.32 | hark | for a while Debian was ot here ;) |
| 19:56.37 | Joe_Black | !es |
| 19:56.37 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 19:56.59 | DawnLight | does anyone know whether the apache2 multiviews is enabled by default or not in the debian package? |
| 19:57.03 | Joe_Black | !users |
| 19:57.03 | dpkg | it has been said that users is Mithrandi |
| 19:57.05 | Joe_Black | (?) |
| 19:57.06 | Joe_Black | :P |
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| 19:57.08 | Joe_Black | !users |
| 19:57.12 | xand | !botrape |
| 19:57.12 | dpkg | STOP!!! please... no more... |
| 19:57.21 | Joe_Black | !botrape |
| 19:57.22 | dpkg | STOP!!! please... no more... |
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| 19:57.30 | xand | sigh |
| 19:57.33 | xand | Joe_Black: stop it |
| 19:57.40 | jelly-home | Joe_Black: this is a support channel, please be nice |
| 19:57.41 | Joe_Black | :P |
| 19:57.42 | mdasilva | sup? |
| 19:57.48 | Joe_Black | okay |
| 19:57.50 | xoz | ErkiDerLoony: maybe there are security concerns but i don't know really. from my experience, it should be enabled by default. i hate to memorize packages with their complicated version numbers... in instances where you have to choose specific version. bash_completion is really helpful in that matter. |
| 19:57.54 | Joe_Black | jelly-home where u from |
| 19:58.00 | mdasilva | confidential |
| 19:58.07 | xand | u is from the alphabet |
| 19:58.27 | jelly-home | Joe_Black: um, that's not relevant. Do you have a Debian question? |
| 19:58.28 | DawnLight | !u |
| 19:58.28 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 19:58.47 | Joe_Black | !u |
| 19:58.47 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 19:58.49 | Joe_Black | :x |
| 19:58.50 | Joe_Black | !p |
| 19:58.50 | dpkg | i heard p is 1. piano (musical direction) 2. proton |
| 19:58.52 | Joe_Black | ! |
| 19:58.55 | Joe_Black | !i |
| 19:58.55 | dpkg | well, i is the imaginary unit, the square root of -1 and other nifty things, or the chemical symbol to iodine and a personal pronoun together with me, my and myself, or roman numeral for 1, or the letter between h and j, or commonly used as an iteration counter, or rapidly becomming the most tacked-on factoid. used as a block index in much of the rsync code |
| 19:59.06 | Joe_Black | !x |
| 19:59.09 | Joe_Black | !m |
| 19:59.09 | dpkg | well, m is (lower case) a metric thousandth or (upper case) a metric million or (greek) a metric millionth, or compile as a module in a kernel configuration. And also James Bond's boss. MUMPS, A programming language with extensive tools for the support of database management systems. |
| 19:59.12 | Joe_Black | :x |
| 19:59.13 | jelly-home | Joe_Black: stop |
| 19:59.14 | Joe_Black | jaja |
| 19:59.21 | Joe_Black | jelly-home why ? |
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| 19:59.31 | xoz | ErkiDerLoony: and also /etc/inputrc to enable case insensitive tab completion... so that you don't have to worry about capital letters. there are many things in inputrc that should have been the default to make cli more efficient. |
| 19:59.32 | xand | !ops Joe_Black spamming |
| 19:59.32 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: xand complains about: Joe_Black spamming |
| 19:59.46 | peterS | Joe_Black: stop |
| 19:59.51 | Joe_Black | ok |
| 19:59.53 | Joe_Black | !ops |
| 19:59.53 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
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| 20:00.02 | peterS | I said stop |
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| 20:01.35 | xoz | ErkiDerLoony: like set show-all-if-ambiguous on, set completion-ignore-case on, set mark-directories on ... in /etc/inputrc. subtle configs but very helpful |
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| 20:02.41 | lipstick_ | anyone have a CEH certification here? |
| 20:03.31 | xoz | ErkiDerLoony: and Control-r: history-search-backward, so that when you wnat to recall all command history that starts with letter l, all you have to do is type l<ctrl-r> several times until you have the command. |
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| 20:05.13 | coolzone | Hi, for some reason I cant seem to find the information about how to see what packages are installed without looking directly into /var/lib/dpkg/status. Is it not possible to get a list via aptitude or apt-get? |
| 20:05.39 | xand | coolzone: dpkg -l |
| 20:05.39 | redduck676 | coolzone: dpkg -l | grep '^ii'? |
| 20:05.42 | redduck676 | !list |
| 20:05.42 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to redduck676 |
| 20:05.47 | redduck676 | hmmm |
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| 20:06.00 | eat_life | hmm I'm getting "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!" even though i have debian-archive-keyring installed, using debian official repository |
| 20:06.10 | coolzone | Thank you very much! :-)) |
| 20:06.54 | xoz_ | !aptitude tricks |
| 20:06.54 | dpkg | To list uninstalled recommended or suggested packages: aptitude search '~RBsuggests:~i!~i'; upgradeable packages: aptitude search '~U'; manually installed packages: aptitude search '~i!~M' |
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| 20:10.47 | xoz | eat_life: tried another mirror site? |
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| 20:19.40 | x_link | Does Testing have alot more newer versions than Etch? |
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| 20:20.09 | azeem | x_link: nothing earth-shakening, AFAIK |
| 20:20.09 | takezo | hi |
| 20:20.20 | x_link | azeem: Okej. |
| 20:20.23 | regulate_ | x_link: yes |
| 20:20.30 | x_link | Okej. |
| 20:20.52 | x_link | Cause I can't get gftp to work in Testing, I was thinking that it might be caused by Testing? |
| 20:20.56 | x_link | That it crashes. |
| 20:21.00 | takezo | when i try to enter by ssh to my server it say always password error, but the user / pass its ok, |
| 20:21.21 | takezo | do i need permit connections outsite in any file ssh.? in my server |
| 20:21.24 | takezo | ? |
| 20:21.33 | donaldo | anyone else having graphical glitches with aptitude 0.4.4-4 (Etch) ?? |
| 20:21.42 | regulate_ | takezo: try with ssh -vv |
| 20:22.07 | redduck676 | takezo: do you have limited group of people which can ssh to machine? |
| 20:22.22 | x_link | regulate_: So almost everything will be/have much newer versions? |
| 20:22.38 | regulate_ | x_link: newer package versions atleast |
| 20:22.46 | takezo | it say debug2: we sent a password packet, wait for reply |
| 20:22.46 | takezo | debug1: Authentications that can continue: password |
| 20:23.02 | takezo | when i try to ssh connect |
| 20:23.09 | x_link | regulate_: Okej. |
| 20:23.27 | x_link | regulate_: Etch will stay like it is, it will not get anything new at all from now on, right? |
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| 20:23.38 | regulate_ | x_link: security updates |
| 20:23.39 | takezo | regulate_: did you say my msg...? |
| 20:23.48 | takezo | why it can continue ..? |
| 20:23.52 | x_link | regulate_: Okej. |
| 20:24.12 | redduck676 | takezo: you might want to have a look at my previous question |
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| 20:24.42 | takezo | redduck676: i can connect to my server from internet.. |
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| 20:24.45 | pygi | hi folks |
| 20:24.58 | redduck676 | anyone with the idea why www-data would have anything but /bin/false as shell? |
| 20:25.02 | takezo | always say, permission denied, please try again. |
| 20:25.02 | pygi | When trying to connect to template1 postgresql DB, I get this: psql: could not connect to server: No such file or directory |
| 20:25.03 | pygi | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:25.03 | pygi | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:25.14 | pygi | /etc/init.d/postgresql-8.1 doesn't seem to stop, run or whatever :-/ |
| 20:25.28 | pygi | and there's no /etc/postgresql |
| 20:25.30 | pygi | Debian etch |
| 20:25.33 | redduck676 | takezo: you can ssh to the server from nternet and can not ssh to it from one particular host? |
| 20:25.53 | donaldo | is it possible that i set my locale wrong? how can i check/change it? i'm seeing graphical glitches in man too |
| 20:26.10 | takezo | redduck676: i want to to connect from my work to my personal server in my home. |
| 20:26.16 | ZathrasZ | redduck: www-data has a no-shell for security purposes |
| 20:26.41 | redduck676 | donaldo: i don't think that is caused by incorect locale. dpkg-reconfigure console-data to change it, IIRC |
| 20:26.42 | regulate_ | ZathrasZ: he's saying his has a shell |
| 20:26.49 | concept10 | im having a problem mounting a ntfs disk - it doesnt return to the prompt... why would it lock up? |
| 20:26.53 | takezo | redduck676: i have debian with ssh, and i can connect inside my network by ssh very good, but if y try to connect from public ip it say this error..! |
| 20:26.56 | redduck676 | ZathrasZ: well, what regulate_ said |
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| 20:27.36 | redduck676 | takezo: you didn't set up port forwarding correctly? |
| 20:27.45 | ZathrasZ | lol. On my install too |
| 20:27.45 | donaldo | redduck676: wow, the console-based dialog (with the blue backdrop) renders terribly! |
| 20:27.46 | pygi | any idea folks? :) |
| 20:28.07 | takezo | yes, i open in my router port 22 |
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| 20:28.10 | takezo | any other port..? |
| 20:28.12 | redduck676 | pygi: reinstall packages? |
| 20:28.15 | donaldo | redduck676: it seems to render fine when i'm physically at the machine, but it seems that no matter what terminal i try from this system, there are glitches abound |
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| 20:28.36 | redduck676 | takezo: not open, but forward (assuming router and server are two different machines) |
| 20:28.39 | donaldo | redduck676: i didn't have this problem with the sarge installation though :( |
| 20:28.47 | takezo | yes |
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| 20:28.50 | pygi | redduck676, I can try |
| 20:28.56 | vvor | takezo: if you get an error from ssh the port is OK |
| 20:28.56 | redduck676 | takezo: yes? |
| 20:29.03 | takezo | i forwaard the public to my server |
| 20:29.14 | takezo | vvor: |
| 20:29.26 | redduck676 | takezo: do you actually see the ssh traffic coming to your server? |
| 20:29.28 | takezo | yes, but why i cannot connect.? |
| 20:29.36 | pygi | that did the trick, but wth o.O |
| 20:29.46 | takezo | redduck676: how can i see the traffic..? |
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| 20:29.59 | redduck676 | takezo: tcpdump, tail -f /var/log/auth.log |
| 20:30.05 | redduck676 | several others probably. |
| 20:30.14 | pygi | redduck676, thanks |
| 20:30.18 | vvor | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:31.10 | takezo | this is the error |
| 20:31.10 | S4nD3r | Is there someone free to help me make my webcam to work in amsn ? |
| 20:31.12 | takezo | ebug2: we sent a password packet, wait for reply |
| 20:31.12 | takezo | debug1: Authentications that can continue: password |
| 20:31.13 | takezo | debug2: we did not send a packet, disable method |
| 20:31.13 | takezo | debug1: No more authentication methods to try. |
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| 20:31.14 | diepes | what is good script to manage a complicated firewall setup, with dialup en vpn interface, with different rules. |
| 20:31.30 | takezo | debug1: Authentications that can continue: password |
| 20:31.30 | takezo | debug2: we did not send a packet, disable method |
| 20:31.37 | xand | takezo: stop that |
| 20:31.42 | takezo | this is the error..... |
| 20:31.45 | xand | !paste |
| 20:31.46 | dpkg | well, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC or if those are not working, ask me about <pastebin> for other options |
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| 20:32.27 | takezo | redduck676: eoe |
| 20:32.35 | takezo | redduck676: did you seen the error..? |
| 20:32.52 | redduck676 | takezo: yes, but that is not the info i asked for. |
| 20:33.11 | takezo | what info do you want |
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| 20:33.46 | takezo | from auth.log |
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| 20:33.57 | redduck676 | diepes: i would pick obsd at any given day for a complicated firewall. you might take easy way out and use pfsense or similar |
| 20:34.39 | takezo | redduck676: dont shoy message |
| 20:34.44 | takezo | redduck676: dont show message |
| 20:35.16 | S4nD3r | How do I know if my webcam is working properly ? |
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| 20:35.29 | takezo | redduck676: dont shoy message |
| 20:35.31 | takezo | wowo |
| 20:35.47 | redduck676 | takezo: if nothing shows up in auth.log when you try to ssh to machine you probably ain't sshing to that machine |
| 20:36.04 | redduck676 | and you don't need to repeat the same thing 3 times, i saw it the first time. |
| 20:36.22 | takezo | this machine has ssh, because im now connected by my intranet. |
| 20:36.23 | redduck676 | which brings me to my original point, you probbably ain't forwarding the traffic properly. |
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| 20:36.38 | redduck676 | takezo: i didn't say it doesn't have ssh. |
| 20:36.48 | vvor | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:37.13 | takezo | what is the loopback |
| 20:37.14 | takezo | ? |
| 20:37.18 | takezo | public o private ip.? |
| 20:37.21 | vvor | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:37.21 | donaldo | so is no one else having graphical glitching when logging into etch remotely? |
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| 20:37.44 | takezo | yes it answer and i connected |
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| 20:38.50 | jelly-home | donaldo: remote logins of any kind are not going to be smooth as local, and aptitude doesn't have anything to do with it. |
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| 20:39.13 | wols | takezo: something is disconnecting actively when trying to connect to port 22 on your IP |
| 20:39.20 | redduck676 | takezo: why are you choosing to ignore my suggestions? |
| 20:39.31 | stoned | because you're a red duck? |
| 20:39.32 | stoned | maybe |
| 20:39.37 | redduck676 | :-) |
| 20:39.41 | xand | quack quack |
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| 20:39.52 | peasset | hi! Is there a gui for the "top" command ? or how to manage processes easily? |
| 20:39.52 | wols | stoned: another meta filling! :) |
| 20:40.04 | wols | *meat |
| 20:40.09 | redduck676 | peasset: i like htop |
| 20:40.13 | jelly-home | donaldo: what are you using to log in remotely? XDMCP? ssh -X? vnc? |
| 20:40.15 | redduck676 | not gui tho. |
| 20:40.18 | stoned | i think i ate too much |
| 20:40.22 | stoned | my tummy hurts |
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| 20:40.25 | stoned | owie |
| 20:40.35 | peasset | redduck676, i try it ;) |
| 20:40.42 | takezo | how can i specify port by ssh? |
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| 20:40.54 | wols | takezo: man ssh |
| 20:41.07 | donaldo | jelly: just ssh, bash, aptitude, man, vim. aptitude and man have both given me graphical problems. |
| 20:41.17 | ErkiDerLoony | takezo: /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
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| 20:41.29 | peasset | redduck676, htop looks nice, thx ! |
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| 20:41.58 | jelly-home | donaldo: try stopping your downloads and see if that helps |
| 20:42.32 | rod | do you know how to get TV-Out support for Radeon Mobility 9000 with xorg 7.2 ?? |
| 20:42.38 | peasset | redduck676, htop is perfect, exactly what i was looking for! |
| 20:43.13 | donaldo | jelly: excuse me? |
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| 20:43.50 | jelly-home | donaldo: do you have other network traffic apart from the ssh sessions? stop it. |
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| 20:44.05 | vvor | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:44.25 | rod | Anyone have TV-Out working for RADEON MOBILITY 9000?? |
| 20:44.45 | jelly-home | rod: try #xorg, maybe |
| 20:44.56 | donaldo | jelly-home: you're insane. that is not going to break ssh transmissions. there aren't even any other transmissions occurring. it's clearly a terminal emulation problem, probably something in ncurses. |
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| 20:45.20 | crustylumps | YOURE NUTS |
| 20:45.21 | crustylumps | THATS CRAZY |
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| 20:45.54 | jelly-home | donaldo: Ah. You haven't exactly described the nature of "graphical glitches", so I assumed problems with network bandwidth |
| 20:46.50 | jelly-home | donaldo: which can have adverse effect on usability of telnet or ssh sessions |
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| 20:47.14 | xand | ubuntu: wrong channel? ;P |
| 20:47.27 | crustylumps | xaaaand |
| 20:47.31 | crustylumps | zzzzzzzzzand |
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| 20:47.52 | jelly-home | crustylumps: please behave :-) |
| 20:48.04 | crustylumps | ok |
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| 20:49.40 | jelly-home | donaldo: it would help if you explained a bit better or maybe provided a screenshot |
| 20:49.58 | crustylumps | what is this palce anyway |
| 20:50.13 | crustylumps | youre providing assistance for what exaclty |
| 20:50.27 | redduck676 | !whatis |
| 20:50.27 | dpkg | is is, like, the country code for iceland |
| 20:50.31 | redduck676 | !what_is |
| 20:50.40 | redduck676 | !why debian |
| 20:50.40 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ or see <overfiendsphallus> |
| 20:51.06 | crustylumps | so its an os then |
| 20:51.07 | redduck676 | well, i think there was a keyword explaining what is debian, but i can't seem to find it :/ |
| 20:51.13 | jelly-home | crustylumps: aye |
| 20:51.19 | redduck676 | crustylumps: you are joking? |
| 20:51.27 | crustylumps | yeah im a bloody comedian |
| 20:51.29 | crustylumps | ba dum tsh |
| 20:51.35 | crustylumps | ill be here all week |
| 20:51.39 | jelly-home | crustylumps: please stop |
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| 20:51.55 | crustylumps | amazing that theres so many people here for an os |
| 20:52.08 | crustylumps | computers can sometimes blow my mind |
| 20:52.36 | redduck676 | crustylumps: and you come here without your mind? |
| 20:52.38 | redduck676 | :) |
| 20:52.39 | jelly-home | !ops crustylumps is not taking his medicines |
| 20:52.39 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jelly-home complains about: crustylumps is not taking his medicines |
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| 20:52.53 | donaldo | jelly: good idea, i'll do that |
| 20:52.54 | RichiH | crustylumps: hi :) |
| 20:52.59 | RichiH | crustylumps: can we help you? |
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| 20:53.14 | crustylumps | maybe |
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| 20:53.36 | jelly-home | donaldo: I've had some fun with mismatched locales, having UTF-8 on one side and none on the other |
| 20:53.40 | crustylumps | im looking for my keys can you help me |
| 20:53.47 | crustylumps | i swear they were on the coffee table just last night |
| 20:53.52 | peterS | crustylumps: do you have anything Debian-related to discuss? |
| 20:54.22 | donaldo | jelly-home: http://metascape.afraid.org:13666/~donny/2007-05-13-170312_1024x768_scrot.png |
| 20:54.23 | crustylumps | whats the advantages of debian as to say XP, which i am using |
| 20:54.33 | peterS | crustylumps: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 20:54.54 | crustylumps | will it give me xray vision |
| 20:54.57 | crustylumps | will it give me nachos |
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| 20:55.19 | peterS | it will not give you xray vision. the nachos are an optional package. |
| 20:56.05 | donaldo | crustylumps: you should probably try ubuntu first if you are new to linux |
| 20:56.13 | {Nathan} | I'm looking for a WM that is very light. The _only_ requirement I have is that it does not have a debian menu (like the one in fluxbox and icewm) and it has an iconbar that lists all the open windows. Any ideas? |
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| 20:56.44 | redduck676 | {Nathan}: when i use gui i use ratpoison. |
| 20:56.45 | donaldo | crustylumps: not to say debian isn't pretty user-friendly, but ubuntu is based on debian with an emphasis on certain aspects that might cater to you |
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| 20:57.03 | valdyn | {Nathan}: you can remove the debian menu in any wm |
| 20:57.10 | donaldo | {Nathan}: you can remove the debian menu in fluxbox |
| 20:57.12 | donaldo | lol |
| 20:57.22 | {Nathan} | I know that, but I want something like the KDE/Gnome menu |
| 20:57.24 | jelly-home | donaldo: does the remote system have the same locales installed as the local one? can you provide output of "locale" both local and remote? |
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| 20:57.35 | biob | how can i remove a package with apt without removing the depending packages? |
| 20:57.36 | donaldo | {Nathan}: then you have... two requirements? |
| 20:57.51 | valdyn | biob: cant |
| 20:57.53 | georgy28 | {Nathan} :XFCE ? |
| 20:57.59 | valdyn | !wayttd biob |
| 20:57.59 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, biob? |
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| 20:58.05 | donaldo | {Nathan}: also you can set the fluxbox icon bar to show all the windows (in fact i just posted a url to a screen shot demonstrating that) |
| 20:58.09 | {Nathan} | georgy28: something lighter than xfce |
| 20:58.11 | biob | valdyn? |
| 20:58.15 | {Nathan} | donaldo: yes, I guess so. |
| 20:58.25 | georgy28 | {Nathan} : windowmaker |
| 20:58.27 | purplepenguins | so |
| 20:58.38 | purplepenguins | whenever I try to run nice i get permission denied |
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| 20:58.41 | {Nathan} | georgy28: there's one I havn't tried yet. |
| 20:58.43 | biob | i got apache2.2 but I use php5, they don't work together |
| 20:58.48 | crustylumps | WELL THATS NOT VERY NICE |
| 20:59.01 | xand | crustylumps: neither is trolling |
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| 20:59.29 | purplepenguins | {Nathan}: Try fluxbox, openbox, metacity, enlightenment |
| 20:59.30 | georgy28 | {Nathan} : it's light, without debian menu and show the open windows |
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| 20:59.58 | donaldo | i would use windowmaker still if it could use smaller icons |
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| 21:00.19 | purplepenguins | I am using ion for now |
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| 21:00.40 | purplepenguins | anyway...so, just running nice gives me errors |
| 21:00.41 | jelly-home | donaldo: there's also hoping that you're not setting TERM to some strange value on the remote side in dot-files :-) |
| 21:00.42 | _josh | hello? |
| 21:00.44 | redduck676 | purplepenguins: do you know ratpoison? |
| 21:00.52 | purplepenguins | Yeah, I've tried it |
| 21:00.53 | redduck676 | _josh: boo |
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| 21:01.09 | purplepenguins | it's good |
| 21:01.19 | redduck676 | purplepenguins: why do you prefer jon over ratpoison? |
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| 21:01.27 | debianix | hey guys, am trying to find some nice tool to put on my debian machine |
| 21:01.33 | redduck676 | errr, s/jon/ion/ |
| 21:01.35 | debianix | you guys know any nice tools to use ? |
| 21:01.41 | redduck676 | debianix: for what? |
| 21:01.47 | donaldo | jelly: i checked the TERM environ |
| 21:01.47 | jelly-home | debianix: a sledghammer is nice |
| 21:01.55 | purplepenguins | I don't really know, there was somehing about the way ratpoison managed windows I didn't like |
| 21:02.14 | debianix | anything ... photogrpahy, security, multimedia, anything really |
| 21:02.17 | redduck676 | purplepenguins: how does ion manage them? |
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| 21:03.00 | redduck676 | (i'm not trying to troll/convinnce you to use ratpoison, just trying to get some more-or-less unbiased opinion about ion) |
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| 21:03.30 | purplepenguins | but, google fails with the nice issue |
| 21:03.38 | purplepenguins | nice isn't a good word to search google with |
| 21:04.06 | donaldo | debianix: you aren't going to get any serious responses with such an open-ended question |
| 21:04.07 | debianix | for some reasons these packages have errors when i installed them : mysql. apache fspot |
| 21:04.08 | valdyn | purplepenguins: how are you using nice? |
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| 21:04.36 | purplepenguins | oops |
| 21:04.39 | purplepenguins | what was I doing |
| 21:04.43 | debianix | yeah, its just i want to try some new stuff ... donno if you guys experienced a nice package and would like to share it with me :) |
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| 21:04.45 | purplepenguins | I wanted to renice, not nic |
| 21:04.46 | purplepenguins | nice* |
| 21:05.01 | valdyn | purplepenguins: how, give the command |
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| 21:06.01 | purplepenguins | nice -n -20 starcraft.exe |
| 21:06.09 | valdyn | purplepenguins: geez |
| 21:06.10 | purplepenguins | err. |
| 21:06.17 | purplepenguins | nice -n -20 wine starcraft.exe |
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| 21:06.28 | valdyn | purplepenguins: users cant nice below 0 |
| 21:06.32 | purplepenguins | lame |
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| 21:06.59 | valdyn | purplepenguins: that renice command would just make your system unresponsive, maybe nearly unusable, try as root |
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| 21:07.42 | fryth | i upgraded libc6 and locales to unstable, and now my KDE won't see any timezones and displays my time as UTC -- any ideas? :( |
| 21:07.44 | purplepenguins | I tried it as root and it worked a little better |
| 21:07.57 | purplepenguins | it's not like I was doing anything else witht he computer anyway |
| 21:09.21 | debianix | any of you tried monodevelop ? |
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| 21:09.41 | donaldo | does anyone know the fstab analog to mount --bind ? |
| 21:10.03 | stew | donaldo: list 'bind' in the options column |
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| 21:10.38 | fryth | i tried regenerating the locales, but perl complains and sets it to some default one |
| 21:10.43 | fryth | regenerating with dpkg-reconfigure |
| 21:10.50 | peterS | donaldo: an old example fstab file of mine, http://p12n.org/tmp/fstab, shows some bind mounts |
| 21:10.58 | stew | donaldo: i have, for instance: /home/stew /home/roots/32-etch/home/stew auto bind 0 0 |
| 21:11.00 | donaldo | stew: what do i use for the type columb? |
| 21:11.02 | donaldo | column* |
| 21:11.07 | stew | donaldo: auto |
| 21:11.07 | donaldo | thanks |
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| 21:13.01 | fryth | i think it might be that the upgrade to libc6 means that i have to upgrade kde :( |
| 21:13.30 | peterS | fryth: that should never be necessary, upgrading libc6 should not require upgrading anything else (except libc6-related packages like 'locales' or 'libc6-dev') |
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| 21:13.56 | fryth | well I'm not sure what happened but when I installed a few things, now I have no timezones |
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| 21:14.04 | fryth | so i guess it wasn't libc6 then |
| 21:14.07 | peterS | fryth: the tzdata package provides those |
| 21:14.11 | fryth | i have that :( |
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| 21:14.18 | purplepenguins | what's a good way to test your cpu? |
| 21:14.21 | xmr74v2 | !sources |
| 21:14.22 | dpkg | from memory, sources is /etc/apt/sources.list is the file which stores a list of repositories that apt-get/aptitude use for downloading packags. "man sources.list" for a description of its format. If you are using sarge/stable you can use apt-setup to alter this file, also ask me about <mirrors>, <apt-setup>, <apt-spy> |
| 21:14.23 | purplepenguins | like, load test |
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| 21:14.30 | peterS | purplepenguins: there is a package 'cpuburn' intended for that sort of thing |
| 21:14.35 | purplepenguins | okay, thakns |
| 21:14.45 | xmr74v2 | !sid |
| 21:14.45 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
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| 21:15.38 | xmr74v2 | !mirrors |
| 21:15.38 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 21:15.54 | peterS | fryth: try 'dpkg-reconfigure tzdata', see what happens |
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| 21:16.27 | fryth | thx, i am waiting for my d-r locales to finish |
| 21:16.48 | fryth | serves me right for switching to unstable just to install openoffice 2.2 |
| 21:16.54 | fryth | should have stayed in stable :( |
| 21:17.00 | tarzeau | fryth: i think there's a backport of it |
| 21:17.08 | tarzeau | fryth: oh no a sad sid user? |
| 21:17.26 | fryth | everything is etch... except for openoffice 2.2.. |
| 21:17.27 | tarzeau | gpm: same here :) |
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| 21:17.59 | purplepenguins | hmmm |
| 21:18.01 | purplepenguins | okay |
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| 21:18.19 | daidalus | thanks for the help |
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| 21:18.42 | purplepenguins | cpuburn shows that my processor, starting from idle at 60C, will jump to about 75C under load in about ten to fifteen seconds |
| 21:18.57 | purplepenguins | and keeps rising |
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| 21:19.18 | purplepenguins | I don't remember this happening under full load before |
| 21:20.53 | fryth | purplepenguins: sounds almost as bad as my poorly cooled system |
| 21:21.03 | fryth | ok, i think i just needed to snag tzdata from unstable, rebooting now to try it :) |
| 21:21.19 | fryth | (can't just restart X, due to buggy ATI driver) |
| 21:21.26 | purplepenguins | do you have a pentium 4? |
| 21:21.30 | fryth | yeah |
| 21:21.31 | fryth | willamette |
| 21:21.32 | xmr74v2 | how do i configure /etc/apt/sources.list when i want to use debian sid sources |
| 21:21.33 | purplepenguins | yeah |
| 21:21.33 | vyrus001 | xorg is sucsessfuly running with fglrx drivers, load dri and load glx are included in my xorg.conf modules... yet my fglrxinfo sheet still shows rendering suport as mesa x11 and not direct... what am i missing? |
| 21:21.37 | purplepenguins | mine is a prescott |
| 21:21.45 | purplepenguins | 3.0 ghz |
| 21:22.04 | purplepenguins | I bought a thermaltake heatsink and fan, big ass thing |
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| 21:22.10 | purplepenguins | and it's still too hot |
| 21:22.16 | fryth | vyrus001: kernel driver? |
| 21:22.17 | purplepenguins | I think maybe I should refasten it |
| 21:22.33 | vyrus001 | fryth, its built into the kernel |
| 21:22.34 | rgsteele_home | Hey guys. I'mt rying to build a drbd .deb package using the simple sid backport method on a sarge box, but I keep getting the following error, and I'm really stumped... any ideas? http://pastebin.ca/486341 |
| 21:22.35 | purplepenguins | I don't have any paste though |
| 21:22.47 | xmr74v2 | !sid |
| 21:22.48 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
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| 21:22.56 | xmr74v2 | !sources.list |
| 21:22.56 | dpkg | [sources.list] something like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free" where cc is your country code. see <mirrors>, /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list. also see <etch security> |
| 21:23.06 | Gnea | yay |
| 21:23.07 | vyrus001 | fryth, besides... would i be able to use fglrx if the kernel mod wasnt in ? |
| 21:23.09 | Gnea | !sunday |
| 21:23.09 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 21:23.11 | ZathrasZ | is there a way to compile LIRC on Debian Etch with customkernel without loads of comile errors? |
| 21:23.19 | ZathrasZ | I keep getting the famous 'error: array type has incomplete element type' error on various lines |
| 21:23.19 | purplepenguins | !monday |
| 21:23.19 | dpkg | Looks like someone is having a case of the mondays!, or see tuesday |
| 21:23.25 | gpm | Gnea: why''s that? |
| 21:23.42 | Gnea | ZathrasZ: does it actually stop compiling because of it? |
| 21:23.48 | ZathrasZ | yes |
| 21:23.52 | purplepenguins | !cow powers |
| 21:23.57 | Gnea | ZathrasZ: are you using make or make-kpkg? |
| 21:24.19 | rgsteele_home | I'm just not sure why it's referenceing a packages called "drbd" - it's not anywhere in any of the build depends for drbd0.7-module-source |
| 21:24.29 | purplepenguins | blah |
| 21:24.32 | Gnea | gpm: hang around and find out |
| 21:24.34 | ZathrasZ | it's the 0.8.0-9.2 |
| 21:24.44 | gpm | Gnea: but I like my sanity |
| 21:25.09 | fryth | ok, looks like tzdata fixed it; another sid success story :o |
| 21:25.12 | fryth | just barely |
| 21:25.14 | ZathrasZ | regardless of method: make make-kpkg make rules/debian, module-assistant |
| 21:25.17 | ZathrasZ | it's all the same |
| 21:25.19 | fryth | :D |
| 21:25.29 | gpm | modass |
| 21:25.34 | biob | is the dotdeb package php5-pdo-pgsql out of order? |
| 21:25.50 | Gnea | ZathrasZ: we only support make-kpkg here :) but that's fine, what's the output of gcc --version ? |
| 21:26.07 | darrend | trying to re-install a box from debootstrap. After the base system is complete, it seems to be missing basic stuff like grub, console-data etc. Is that normal? |
| 21:26.28 | ZathrasZ | Debian 4.1.1-21 |
| 21:26.56 | rgsteele_home | So... any thoughts on http://pastebin.ca/486341 ? I'm happy just to know *why* I'm getting that error - that might help me figure out how to fix it. |
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| 21:27.20 | ZathrasZ | 2.6.8 homebrew kernel |
| 21:27.20 | peterS | darrend: debootstrap has different modes for the different ways you might want to use it. like in a chroot environment you wouldn't want grub, so.. |
| 21:27.33 | Gnea | ZathrasZ: forget it, you obviously don't need any help. |
| 21:27.46 | ZathrasZ | ? |
| 21:27.55 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:28.06 | ZathrasZ | sorry? |
| 21:28.13 | Gnea | nope, too late. |
| 21:28.15 | rhalff | hi any suggestions for an out of the box dmz host ? with some software that makes clear all hacking attempts etc, you know with nice graphics and such :) |
| 21:28.18 | ZathrasZ | pls explain |
| 21:28.18 | darrend | peterS: ah ok, well I'm trying to use it to re-install the machine from scratch since the CD drive is broken |
| 21:28.23 | Gnea | !pls |
| 21:28.23 | dpkg | Cud u plz spk englsh bcuz wen u spk lke ths u luk lke a moron. |
| 21:28.27 | darrend | how do I select a different mode |
| 21:28.27 | darrend | ? |
| 21:28.39 | rhalff | dmz box.. |
| 21:28.40 | peterS | darrend: debootstrap has command-line options. I don't know which mode it uses by default. |
| 21:28.50 | rhalff | distro. app thing. |
| 21:29.08 | graphys | hi |
| 21:29.16 | graphys | i have a intel video card |
| 21:29.19 | peterS | darrend: --flavour=standard, I think |
| 21:29.35 | graphys | but i don't direct rendering=yes |
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| 21:29.39 | graphys | please help me |
| 21:29.43 | ZathrasZ | You are not very polite are you? First you tell people to ignore me. Then you do not want to answer why you make such a statement and then you kind of tell me I act like a moron |
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| 21:30.14 | gpm | whoa |
| 21:30.34 | Gnea | ZathrasZ: i asked you for the version of gcc, not what version of debian, not the kernel version. you totally and completely thought on a tangent and since that tangent is not included in how troubleshooting is supposed to be done, you have therefore disrespected my help and as a result, no longer deserve it. |
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| 21:30.44 | gpm | whoa! |
| 21:30.55 | darrend | peterS: don't see that in the man page options list, but there is a "--variant=buildd|fakechroot" but it doesn't look the right thing |
| 21:31.05 | gpm | !relax |
| 21:31.07 | peterS | graphys: if you're using unstable, the 'xserver-xorg-video-intel' package should set modes automatically as needed. if not ... there used to be a utility for i9xx mode setting but I don't see it in current debian |
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| 21:31.20 | ZathrasZ | oh My God. I am not worthy..... |
| 21:31.22 | Gnea | you ask a question, i give an answer. i ask a question, you give me bullshit. |
| 21:31.34 | Gnea | damn straight you're not. |
| 21:31.35 | ZathrasZ | fyi: I usually help people instead of asking for help..... |
| 21:31.38 | peterS | darrend: ahh, I only have cdebootstrap installed, so I looked at its options, which include --flavour. I guess debootstrap without --variant is supposed to be a normal install, then |
| 21:31.51 | gpm | oooooooooooooooooooooh snap!! I smell a rumble! |
| 21:32.05 | Gnea | ZathrasZ: look, just answer with the correct answer and none of this will happen |
| 21:32.12 | rgsteele_home | Ok, well I guess I'll keep digging. |
| 21:32.28 | gpm | rgsteele_home: I read your pastebin, but I'm not smart enough |
| 21:32.34 | graphys | peterS: i build it but direct rendering = no |
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| 21:32.43 | ZathrasZ | imho kernel version, gcc version with which the kernel was compiled and the current gcc version might be an issue |
| 21:32.45 | peterS | Gnea: he did say Debian 4.1.1-21, is that not a specific enough version for you? |
| 21:32.48 | rgsteele_home | gpm: Thanks anyways - apparently I'm not either ;) |
| 21:32.48 | valdyn | ZathrasZ: lirc might very well not compile just because you are using an outdated kernel |
| 21:32.56 | valdyn | ZathrasZ: 2.6.8 doesnt fit on etch anyway |
| 21:33.02 | Gnea | peterS: i asked for gcc --version |
| 21:33.24 | Gnea | ZathrasZ: well i didn't ask for your opinion, i asked for the version of gcc, plain and simple. |
| 21:33.24 | gpm | rgsteele_home: I've never sucessfully built my own deb before ('cept for make-kpkg or checkinstall or something easy), so kudos to you for trying. |
| 21:33.27 | Gnea | now, this ends. |
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| 21:33.33 | peterS | Gnea: if you can't figure out that "Debian 4.1.1-21" is the important part of the output from "gcc --version" then you have no business getting snippy with people |
| 21:33.39 | ZathrasZ | it does. I use 2.6.8 because for this kernel version Epia patches where available. I have GCC version 4.1.2 |
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| 21:33.46 | gpm | regulation! |
| 21:34.07 | rgsteele_home | Well, the thing is I can't even do the build-dep... if you look at that paste - http://pastebin.ca/486341 - that's the first step in building a sid backport. |
| 21:34.19 | valdyn | ZathrasZ: no, does not, but it might work if you dont use any of the etch packages that need a newer kernel |
| 21:34.28 | peterS | he certainly shouldn't have pasted all 4 or 5 lines of gcc --version, and I hope you didn't expect him to |
| 21:34.31 | rgsteele_home | (at least according to /msg dpkg simple sid backport) |
| 21:34.40 | valdyn | ZathrasZ: lirc might need a newer one, i'd suggest you try that. |
| 21:34.46 | gpm | rgsteele_home: you could try asking in #debian-devel...or maybe that's not cool. i don't know |
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| 21:35.00 | Gnea | gcc (GCC) 4.0.4 20060904 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.3-7) <--- very simple. |
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| 21:35.13 | rgsteele_home | gpm: Maybe, but I'm not really building it for the community, so I'm not sure if they're be to privy to help. |
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| 21:35.24 | gpm | fair 'nough |
| 21:35.27 | rgsteele_home | I would provide it for the community, but it's a custom kernel I'm building this for :) |
| 21:35.35 | peterS | Gnea: you're being obtuse. "Debian 4.1.1-21" is sufficient information. the rest is superfluous. by insisting on it, you show that you don't understand what it is you're asking for |
| 21:35.38 | Gnea | ZathrasZ: ok, your compiler might be the issue, can you downgrade to 4.0? |
| 21:35.39 | rgsteele_home | Probably wouldn't do anybody else much good. |
| 21:36.03 | gpm | rgsteele_home: wait, so you're building a driver for a custom kernel right? |
| 21:36.26 | Gnea | peterS: at this point, i don't care anymore. |
| 21:36.28 | gpm | are you already running that kernel? |
| 21:36.29 | rgsteele_home | I'm actually trying to build a DRBD module, but using source packages from sid. |
| 21:36.33 | Gnea | ZathrasZ: look, sorry for blowing up on you. |
| 21:36.45 | gpm | rgsteele_home: but you have those sources installed? and the driver source? |
| 21:37.00 | ZathrasZ | I have tried numerious versions of packages of LIRC and numerous GCC versions. On the subject of LIRC package. When taking a look at the original LIRC distribution (of lirc.org) the version is of 21-jan-2006 |
| 21:37.07 | rgsteele_home | Well, I think that's what apt-get build-dep does - grabs whatever sources it needs to build the package. |
| 21:37.07 | ZathrasZ | so that should not be an issue |
| 21:37.17 | ZathrasZ | k. Gnea |
| 21:37.21 | mutantpineapple | anyone have fbsplash working in debian? |
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| 21:37.45 | gpm | rgsteele_home: i assume you apt-get updated after adding the sid -src line? |
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| 21:38.25 | rgsteele_home | gpm: Aye - if you take a look at the paste, that apt-cache showsrc drbd0.7-module-source is showing the source package from the sid repository. |
| 21:38.25 | ZathrasZ | gnea: do you have a GCC version in mind I should try downgrading to? |
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| 21:38.35 | gpm | rgsteele_home: huh... |
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| 21:39.00 | rgsteele_home | gpm: Yeah, that's what I say, too. Was hoping someone in here might say, "Oh, silly you!" |
| 21:39.09 | rgsteele_home | Ah well, was worth a shot :) |
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| 21:39.17 | valdyn | !info gcc-4.0 etch |
| 21:39.31 | gpm | well...i'm not sure how kosher it is to mix a sid -src with an oldstable install |
| 21:39.54 | gpm | other than that, 't should be cool...but obviously there's something i'm missing |
| 21:40.03 | Gnea | ZathrasZ: whatever 4.0 is for etch.. i'm not 100% sure, but try 2.95 if that doesn't work... if not, then 2.6.8 is simply not supported in etch... might need a patch |
| 21:40.30 | rgsteele_home | gpm: I've followed these directions before (the ones dpkg provides - /msg dpkg simple sid backport), but never for DRBD. |
| 21:40.41 | ZathrasZ | 2.6.8 was installed while it was still being Sarge. A dist upgrade did leave my kernel |
| 21:40.53 | gpm | rgsteele_home: it might be different since it's a kernel module |
| 21:41.03 | gpm | i'm just guessing |
| 21:41.10 | valdyn | ZathrasZ: its supposed to leave your kernel. That does not make it supported |
| 21:41.23 | martyn | hi, this is a test |
| 21:41.25 | ZathrasZ | I also have available gcc 3.3 |
| 21:41.44 | rgsteele_home | Maybe - that's why I was hoping someone might be able to tell me why that error was being thrown by dpkg. |
| 21:41.55 | gpm | yeah |
| 21:41.55 | Gnea | 3.3 is known to be problematic... well, you can try it anyway, but 3.2 has always worked better |
| 21:42.01 | gpm | well, like i said, i'm too dumb :( |
| 21:42.03 | ZathrasZ | yes. But this is a heavily patched kernel. A new kernel will give me headaches |
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| 21:42.28 | valdyn | ZathrasZ: there could be an older lirc src |
| 21:42.29 | rgsteele_home | gpm: Well, thanks for talking it out with me - I appreciate having another pair of eyes on it - maybe I'll have an epiphany after I grill some hot dogs for dinner. |
| 21:43.17 | valdyn | ZathrasZ: or you could check if that 2.6.8 kernel really makes sense as it is, patched etc, when things could be in new kernels sans patching |
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| 21:43.49 | Gnea | ZathrasZ: btw, what version of lirc is that? 0.81? |
| 21:43.57 | Gnea | er, 0.8.1 |
| 21:45.02 | ZathrasZ | I compiled a lirc modules on this machine before. Source of lirc is 0.8.0-1 on the source I compiled succesfully on a 2.6.8 kernel |
| 21:45.32 | Gnea | latest on their website is 0.8.1, i'd try that |
| 21:45.33 | ZathrasZ | current source is 0.8.0-9.2 |
| 21:45.54 | valdyn | ZathrasZ: so get the old source |
| 21:46.10 | ZathrasZ | the reason I want to recompile is that only serial module was compiled. I now want all modules to be compiled |
| 21:46.16 | Gnea | ZathrasZ: that way you'll be able to see if there's indeed a problem with the lirc source, the compiler, or the kernel |
| 21:46.18 | xmr74v2 | !apt-keys |
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| 21:46.34 | valdyn | !sdn |
| 21:46.35 | dpkg | [sdn] go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is largely lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 21:46.35 | ZathrasZ | the old source seems to be no longer there |
| 21:46.37 | valdyn | ZathrasZ: ^^^ |
| 21:46.42 | ZathrasZ | I will try the new one |
| 21:47.14 | valdyn | ZathrasZ: this new source should be _patched_ to support 2.6.18. That can break build against 2.6.8, and wouldnt be a bug as 2.6.8 isnt supported |
| 21:47.29 | _Rubyxx | What program do most of you guys yse to access newsgroups? |
| 21:47.34 | _Rubyxx | use |
| 21:47.42 | Gnea | ZathrasZ: there's also cvs |
| 21:47.49 | valdyn | _Rubyxx: groups.google.com |
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| 21:49.35 | Eclipser | funny |
| 21:49.44 | Eclipser | gtkmm docs got updated to 2.10 but not the library yet :) |
| 21:49.59 | valdyn | !info lirc-modules-source sarge |
| 21:50.02 | dpkg | lirc-modules-source: (Linux Infra-red Remote Control support (kernel modules)), section utils, is extra. Version: 0.7.1pre2-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 183 kB, Installed size: 276 kB |
| 21:50.42 | valdyn | haha, 0.7.2-1 is already only support 2.6.12 |
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| 21:52.44 | kombi_ | when the box says "no rules to make module", when trying to compile a module, what might be wrong? |
| 21:53.11 | valdyn | kombi_: you run 'make module' ? |
| 21:53.24 | kombi_ | actually just make |
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| 21:53.36 | valdyn | kombi_: read the INSTALL or README |
| 21:53.51 | kombi_ | hmm, did.. but will do again.. |
| 21:54.53 | kombi_ | I remember that to be something quite basic, just what was it.. |
| 21:55.09 | valdyn | kombi_: run ./configure ? |
| 21:55.11 | lokkju_wrk | I'm getting a kernel lockup whenever I insert a prism card into my pcmcia slot... running 2.6.1804 stock on Etch, and upon insertion of the pcmcia card, a bunch of messages flash by, hostap_cs loads, registyers the netdevice wifi0, and then there is an irq 112 event, followed by "unexpected irq trap at vector 70", after which the system becomes 100% unresponsive... I've seen a couple other posting/mailing that deal with this, but no answers any |
| 21:55.11 | lokkju_wrk | where - any ideas? (the system is a CF-17 laptop) |
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| 21:55.46 | kombi_ | valdyn: the only thing that driver has is ./install and that does nothing but make -C Makefile |
| 21:56.00 | Gnea | lokkju_wrk: try booting with this option yet? pci=routeirq |
| 21:56.03 | valdyn | kombi_: oh well, read the source then |
| 21:56.16 | lokkju_wrk | Gnea, trying now... |
| 21:56.18 | valdyn | kombi_: or dont use that driver |
| 21:56.27 | valdyn | kombi_: what is it anyway? |
| 21:56.40 | kombi_ | valdyn: isdn card called fritz |
| 21:56.50 | valdyn | kombi_: you dont need this |
| 21:56.59 | kombi_ | the card you mean? |
| 21:57.00 | valdyn | kombi_: fritz cards are supported perfectly fine by stock kernels |
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| 21:57.07 | kombi_ | sigh.. |
| 21:57.25 | kombi_ | thanks valdyn! |
| 21:57.32 | lokkju_wrk | Gnea, nope, same error |
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| 21:58.16 | Zeelot | hello again |
| 21:58.20 | bazz | is there a tool i can use to measure how fast i can send data on a particular port to another machine? i have control of both ends. i want to see if my traffic shapping is working as i expect |
| 21:58.35 | kombi_ | valdyn: just why did I find this extensive howto about making it work in etch, are you really sure? How would I test? |
| 21:59.08 | valdyn | kombi_: show me that howto |
| 21:59.18 | valdyn | !which driver |
| 21:59.18 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
| 21:59.30 | Zeelot | last question hopefully =P : so I finished moving my debian to a bigger drive and it all seems to work fine exept when it's first starting up I get "Unable to find SWAP space signiture", anyone know how to solve this? |
| 21:59.37 | valdyn | kombi_: is it a pci device? |
| 21:59.44 | kombi_ | yip! http://www.ico.de/supportbereich/showthread.php?t=49 |
| 22:00.02 | kombi_ | should be fcpci to my knowledge |
| 22:00.05 | valdyn | ZathrasZ: mkswap on the swap partition |
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| 22:00.19 | Gnea | lokkju_wrk: what branch+kernel? |
| 22:00.30 | lokkju_wrk | Gnea, Etch, 2.6.18-4 |
| 22:00.40 | Gnea | sec |
| 22:00.42 | kombi_ | sorry valdyn, yes it is pci, howto is here: http://www.ico.de/supportbereich/showthread.php?t=49 |
| 22:00.43 | lokkju_wrk | typing up the error to pastebin right now |
| 22:00.50 | ZathrasZ | valdyn: mkswap ? Why this hint? |
| 22:00.56 | piztek3 | does anyone know where the option is in gconf-editor to remove the trash from the desktop? |
| 22:01.04 | valdyn | ZathrasZ: sorry, didnt mean you |
| 22:01.07 | Zeelot | ZathrasZ: I think he meant me heh |
| 22:01.27 | Gnea | cool |
| 22:01.34 | Zeelot | valdyn: thanks |
| 22:01.49 | ZathrasZ | btw: I only see an archive of 2007 on snapshot.debian.net |
| 22:01.49 | valdyn | kombi_: i never used avms proprietary driver |
| 22:02.07 | valdyn | kombi_: it might be better for faxing, i wouldnt know, but stock linux kernel does have fine drivers for this |
| 22:02.59 | Gnea | lokkju_wrk: is apic on or off? |
| 22:03.00 | kombi_ | valdyn: that is good news, (who needs faxes), capinit though says "failed to load driver fcpci" |
| 22:03.15 | Gnea | lokkju_wrk: er, i'll wait for pastebin :) |
| 22:03.16 | valdyn | kombi_: that's also an avm tool |
| 22:03.22 | valdyn | kombi_: you dont need anything from avm |
| 22:03.54 | lokkju_wrk | Gnea, apic is dummy apic - I did try with noapic nolapic, but it made no differance |
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| 22:04.02 | Gnea | ZathrasZ: etch was released this year, there's not going to be anything prior |
| 22:04.04 | valdyn | kombi_: oh, i was wrong, thats one debian package i know nothing about. |
| 22:04.18 | valdyn | kombi_: lsmod | grep hisax |
| 22:04.31 | valdyn | kombi_: try searching for info about that hisax driver. I got to go. |
| 22:04.43 | kombi_ | thanks valdyn! |
| 22:04.48 | Gnea | lokkju_wrk: see if you can get dmesg and lspci up there |
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| 22:05.34 | kombi_ | valdyn: no hisax here.. |
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| 22:06.31 | lokkju_wrk | Gnea, http://www.nopaste.org/p/aado2I7b7 is the last part of the dmesg, where is errors |
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| 22:07.44 | Zeelot | hey I still get the same message (Unable to find SWAP space signiture) when starting up |
| 22:08.11 | lokkju_wrk | Gnea, lspci (actually from the CF-M34, but I've compared, and it is all the EXACT same hardware, I just did not want to re-type it all): http://www.nopaste.org/p/aJ5PQ5oMdb |
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| 22:10.01 | Gnea | lokkju_wrk: is there any chance that you could paste the entire dmesg output from the beginning? |
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| 22:10.19 | lokkju_wrk | Gnea, nope, no way to |
| 22:10.35 | lokkju_wrk | Gnea, other then setting up a serial connection between the two systems... |
| 22:10.47 | Gnea | lokkju_wrk: oic... no network? |
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| 22:11.14 | lokkju_wrk | Gnea, nope, which is why I am trying to get a wireless card working :) |
| 22:11.14 | Gnea | this thing doesn't even have ethernet? |
| 22:11.34 | concept10 | why would this process lock up? mount -t ntfs /dev/hdb1 /mnt/music-ntfsdisk/ |
| 22:11.51 | lokkju_wrk | Gnea, nope... a couple models newer did, but not this one |
| 22:12.01 | Gnea | lokkju_wrk: can you get into the bios and turn anything off? like the modem? |
| 22:12.10 | KeepWalking_ | i have installed my debian with "debian" as hostname, after that i change the hostname by editing /etc/hsotname, now i cant get proftpd start, can someone helpme? |
| 22:12.12 | lokkju_wrk | I am going to be hacking on internal ethernet and wireless, as well as GPS and bluetooth, soon |
| 22:12.20 | lokkju_wrk | Gnea, yeah, probably |
| 22:12.23 | lokkju_wrk | Gnea, hold on |
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| 22:13.50 | Gnea | lokkju_wrk: cool. also, how many pcmcia slots does it have? does it happen in both slots? what's the make/model of the card? |
| 22:14.04 | lokkju_wrk | Gnea, I think I might have found it - Serial B uses IRQ3, which I seem to remember in the first pastebin |
| 22:14.23 | Gnea | lokkju_wrk: \yeah i just saw that too heh |
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| 22:15.17 | lokkju_wrk | trying it no |
| 22:15.19 | lokkju_wrk | now* |
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| 22:16.44 | lokkju_wrk | hmf, no worky |
| 22:17.05 | KeepWalking_ | http://pastebin.ca/486476 proftpd dns problems, can someone helpme? |
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| 22:17.37 | Thorrn4 | hello, I was wonderin, how can set my video driver in xorg to the "nvidia"; its "nv" now....I tried just changin the line, but kdm wonted load |
| 22:17.46 | Gnea | lokkju_wrk: are you booting it with the card inserted or are you plugging it in after it's up? |
| 22:18.10 | lokkju_wrk | Gnea, inserted |
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| 22:18.37 | xand | !nvidia |
| 22:18.37 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 22:18.38 | lokkju_wrk | Gnea, I've done it both ways though |
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| 22:18.50 | Gnea | lokkju_wrk: after disabling irq 3? |
| 22:19.24 | Gnea | lokkju_wrk: is there a way to change the way, in the bios, that the pci interrupts are handled? |
| 22:19.38 | arcil | hey. what does debian install wenn i select "standard system" during the installation? |
| 22:19.43 | lokkju_wrk | Gnea, I got a pnp option... beyond that I don't see much |
| 22:19.55 | Gnea | lokkju_wrk: what's the card again? |
| 22:20.18 | lokkju_wrk | Gnea, Prism2 |
| 22:20.31 | lokkju_wrk | Gnea, I'm disabling everything I can in the bios, se... |
| 22:20.46 | Gnea | lokkju_wrk: right, but i mean, what's the make/model of the actual card itself? |
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| 22:21.17 | lokkju_wrk | Gnea, oh, it is a AeroCard Plus |
| 22:21.24 | lokkju_wrk | WPE-700 |
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| 22:25.45 | lokkju_wrk | I think I have another card around here I will try |
| 22:25.58 | Gnea | k |
| 22:26.48 | lokkju_wrk | very strange though |
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| 22:27.20 | Gnea | could be a non-cardbus pcmcia slot? |
| 22:27.31 | lokkju_wrk | no |
| 22:27.54 | lokkju_wrk | my bcm43xx card (broadcom 4306 chips) works fine |
| 22:27.56 | lokkju_wrk | strange |
| 22:28.26 | Gnea | huh |
| 22:28.44 | {Nathan} | lokkju_wrk: I used to have that card. |
| 22:31.38 | lokkju_wrk | ok, irritating... iwconfig shows the broadcom card, but iwconfig won't set anything but the encryption key on it |
| 22:32.07 | Gnea | lokkju_wrk: that's weird... and you know what, i just realized that you said what the kernel version was originally :/ sorry about that |
| 22:32.36 | Gnea | lokkju_wrk: try setting in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 22:32.42 | lokkju_wrk | oops, stupid me, firmware not on the drive |
| 22:34.07 | alaK | I am having problem installing DBD::mysql |
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| 22:34.55 | jelly-home | alaK: surely you mean "libdbd-mysql-perl" package? |
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| 22:35.12 | alaK | http://pastebin.4programmers.net/2069 |
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| 22:35.31 | alaK | No, exactly DBD::mysql, trying to install it via CPAN |
| 22:36.01 | jelly-home | alaK: what's wrong with the packaged version? |
| 22:36.01 | alaK | I tryed locating mysql.h, but i didnt find anything.. |
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| 22:36.38 | alaK | hlds@lvps87-230-24-207:~/stats$ ./stats.pl -v |
| 22:36.38 | alaK | PsychoStats failed initialization! |
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| 22:36.46 | alaK | DBD::mysql v3.0008 or newer |
| 22:37.15 | jelly-home | alaK: 3.00008 is in stable. |
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| 22:37.31 | piztek3 | can i set a default location for nautilus? if so, how? |
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| 22:38.04 | alaK | jelly-home: I have sarge. How can i get 3.00008 to sarge ? |
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| 22:38.21 | jelly-home | alaK: install that package |
| 22:38.31 | jelly-home | alaK: sorry, sarge? |
| 22:38.46 | alaK | I have debian 3.1 - sarge.. |
| 22:38.47 | omri | I'm having a little problem; I've configured a Ad-Hoc wireless network with bridging, everything seems to be ok, the bridge seems to function (the other bridged interface works just fine) |
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| 22:39.03 | alaK | I dont have stable |
| 22:39.07 | omri | but when it comes to the WLAN, I get an IP from the DHCP (which could be telling there's connectivity) but I can't ping the bridge's end |
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| 22:39.22 | xmr74v2 | hi, is this ok to do to upgrade to sid : http://paste.debian.net/27938 |
| 22:39.22 | jelly-home | alaK: I guess it'll be easiest to build it, then. make sure you have the appropriate libmysqlclient*-dev package installed |
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| 22:39.35 | alaK | lets see... |
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| 22:40.39 | alaK | I dont have it installed, but versions seem too old |
| 22:40.39 | jelly-home | alaK: use something like "apt-cache search libmysqlclient dev" to find out the exact package name to install. or use apt-file or packages.debian.org to find which package has the headers |
| 22:40.46 | alaK | Yeah i know |
| 22:41.02 | alaK | Versions 10 and 14, i guess it's 1.0 and 1.4 ? |
| 22:41.13 | jelly-home | you guess wrong |
| 22:41.33 | alaK | So i install the 14 ( latest ) and lets see what happens.. |
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| 22:41.37 | jelly-home | alaK: apt-cache show package-name will show more info about package-name |
| 22:42.27 | jelly-home | alaK: the libmysqlclient14-dev looks to be built from mysql 4.1 sources |
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| 22:42.44 | omri | nvm; seems it was the client's end problem |
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| 22:43.33 | alaK | jelly-home: So installing it didnt solve the problem |
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| 22:44.47 | jelly-home | alaK: you also need mysql_client binary, according to your paste |
| 22:45.09 | jelly-home | alaK: sorry, mysql_config |
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| 22:46.03 | alaK | apt-cache search mysql_config <-- It didnt find nothing |
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| 22:46.34 | jelly-home | !tell alaK about search |
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| 22:47.51 | jelly-home | alaK: that's a bit strange, apt-file shows it should be in the package you have supposedly installed: libmysqlclient14-dev: usr/bin/mysql_config |
| 22:48.20 | alaK | Yes, dpkg -S also did that. |
| 22:48.52 | jelly-home | alaK: are you sure you're stuck with the same error now? |
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| 22:49.16 | alaK | I got that problem fixed now |
| 22:49.18 | alaK | But i have a new one |
| 22:49.23 | alaK | And this one is weird. |
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| 22:50.08 | alaK | http://pastebin.4programmers.net/2070 |
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| 22:50.18 | lokkju_wrk | yeah, all working with bcm43xx... after about 6 usb key file transfers |
| 22:50.50 | Gnea | lokkju_wrk: lol |
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| 22:50.58 | lokkju_wrk | now, which of the lightwight window managers is best supported in debian? |
| 22:51.00 | jelly-home | alaK: you don't have gcc installed? :-) |
| 22:51.19 | Gnea | they all are, really |
| 22:51.23 | Gnea | fluxbox is a good one |
| 22:51.29 | alaK | jelly-home: no i dont :D |
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| 22:51.34 | lokkju_wrk | (old box, so I need lightweight - 300Mhz/192MB ram, but it has a touchscreen, woot!) |
| 22:51.36 | Gnea | or twm |
| 22:51.39 | jelly-home | alaK: apt-get install build-essential libdbi-perl |
| 22:51.40 | alaK | Fixing that problem now |
| 22:51.48 | Gnea | lokkju_wrk: try fluxbox :) |
| 22:52.01 | Gnea | works great on 486's |
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| 22:52.40 | alaK | It seems to go via cpan also |
| 22:53.05 | alaK | lets see... |
| 22:53.49 | jelly-home | alaK: if you need more Perl modules, you can first do apt-cache seach Foo::Bar to see if they're already packaged. However if you're more versed with CPAN, it might be easier on you to use it exclusively |
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| 22:54.34 | piztek3 | where can i set metacity over kwin? |
| 22:54.35 | alaK | It seems to have a problem with PurePerl now, though it hasnt ended yet |
| 22:54.39 | jelly-home | alaK: you'll need to rebuild the modules after upgrading to stable though |
| 22:54.41 | alaK | It tries to fix it or smth |
| 22:55.43 | alaK | Ok, it broke again :/ |
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| 22:56.48 | alaK | http://pastebin.4programmers.net/2071 |
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| 22:58.48 | blahdeblah | Hi. Can anyone recommend a utility to copy id3 tags from one MP3 file to another? |
| 22:58.55 | jelly-home | alaK: so if failed some tests, big deal. Force it. :-) |
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| 23:00.26 | jelly-home | alaK: and it told you why it failed too |
| 23:00.31 | piztek3 | blahdeblah: easytag |
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| 23:00.49 | alaK | yes.. |
| 23:01.10 | alaK | This is my first time using cpan |
| 23:01.12 | alaK | I look into it |
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| 23:01.47 | jelly-home | alaK: ah. I'm not good with cpan either |
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| 23:02.30 | alaK | it reminds me gentoo |
| 23:02.34 | alaK | :) |
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| 23:03.04 | alaK | I wish i had the possibility to get it installed via apt-get |
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| 23:06.16 | bzed | alaK: what are you looking for ? |
| 23:06.20 | jelly-home | alaK: what are you trying to build anyway? |
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| 23:06.40 | bzed | alaK: libdbd-mysql-perl << that package probably? |
| 23:06.51 | bzed | and yes, what are you trying to build? |
| 23:07.15 | jelly-home | bzed: the thing he's building wants DBD::mysql 3.0008+ |
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| 23:07.29 | jelly-home | sarge has 2.9006 |
| 23:07.50 | Jckf | What does it mean when I have <defunct> behind on of my procs in the ps list? |
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| 23:07.58 | alaK | Yes, but it is already installed on my box |
| 23:08.01 | Jckf | *one |
| 23:08.07 | alaK | But psychostats says, it isnt |
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| 23:08.29 | LinuxNIT-II | is there a command line app to add/remove sections in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 23:08.42 | x_link | hrmm |
| 23:08.49 | jelly-home | alaK: so you're trying to make "psychostats" work? |
| 23:08.52 | Jckf | nano ;) |
| 23:08.55 | x_link | Does Debian have more updates/upgrades for GNOME than KDE or what? |
| 23:08.59 | x_link | Seems like that. |
| 23:09.03 | alaK | woho, i got it compiled :) |
| 23:09.07 | alaK | jelly-home: Yes |
| 23:09.11 | alaK | Problem solved |
| 23:09.18 | alaK | Thanks for your help, jelly-home. |
| 23:09.33 | kombi_ | when compiling a module, where in the kernel dir does get make its rules from? |
| 23:09.37 | bzed | alaK: you could just have backported a package |
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| 23:10.07 | jelly-home | alaK: great. Just remember that things will break when you eventually upgrade to stable |
| 23:10.23 | alaK | What do you mean, i have never heard of backporting.. |
| 23:10.46 | jelly-home | !backport |
| 23:10.46 | dpkg | backport is, like, a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> Beware that if you add backports.org to your sources.list, you will get *all* backports when you upgrade. Read the instructions on how to only get ... |
| 23:11.04 | alaK | jelly-home: I am not planing to upgrade so soon..and if i eventully will, then i will probably make a fresh install to the box. |
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| 23:11.48 | kombi_ | Makefile for SuSE has KDIR /lib/modules/uname -r/build, where must it point in debian? |
| 23:11.53 | rgsteele_home | Speaking of backporting... I've had some troubles trying to do a build-dep for a package that's in a sid repository, and dpkg is throwing an error, though for the life of me I can't figure out why. Here's the paste: http://pastebin.ca/486341 -- make sense to anyone else? |
| 23:12.08 | jelly-home | alaK: eh, if you can afford fresh installs, more power to you! One of Debian's strengths is that reinstalls are almost never needed. |
| 23:12.14 | Jeanzinz | how many of the cds do we need for just a basic install? |
| 23:12.22 | kombi_ | one |
| 23:12.28 | Jeanzinz | thanks |
| 23:12.36 | Pepi | Hey |
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| 23:13.32 | Jckf | How can I figure out what application is listening to what ports? |
| 23:13.41 | stew | Jckf: /msg dpkg open ports |
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| 23:13.51 | kombi_ | What's the equivalent to SuSE's Module.symvers in Debian? |
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| 23:14.18 | talisker | is burning a DVD in wodin any different then burning a normal CD? |
| 23:14.23 | rgsteele_home | Even an explanation as to why the error references a package called "drbd", which isn't even a package, would be helpful. |
| 23:14.29 | erfdain | how do i list packages that depend on something? like if i wanted to know everything that depends on dpkg.... |
| 23:14.30 | stew | kombi_: what is Module.symvers ? |
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| 23:14.48 | Jckf | Thanks, stew |
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| 23:15.11 | talisker | s/wodin/wodim |
| 23:15.11 | jelly-home | rgsteele: it references a _source package_ called drbd |
| 23:15.18 | jelly-home | AFAICT |
| 23:15.37 | jelly-home | no, my bad |
| 23:15.48 | kombi_ | stew: file in /lib/modules/[kernel-version]/build in SuSE, I try to compile a module for Debian but don't know where to point variable KDIR |
| 23:15.56 | rgsteele_home | jelly-home: Even if it did, the paste I listed had an apt-cache showsrc on that thing. |
| 23:15.58 | kombi_ | ..instead |
| 23:16.05 | rgsteele_home | And it never depended on any package called 'drbd'. |
| 23:16.18 | rgsteele_home | Am I missing something? I just don't understand where that error is coming from. |
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| 23:18.27 | stew | kombi_: does build currently link to the linux-headers? have you installed linux-headers-$(uname -r) ? |
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| 23:19.07 | rgsteele_home | The error says that it can't find a source package for drbd, but what about the build-dep for drbd0.7-module-source needs "drbd"? Obviously, there is no source package called "drbd", but that should be irrelevant. |
| 23:19.07 | omri | why can't I change my WLAN NIC to 54Mb/s? when doing iwconfig wlan0 rate 54M nothing changes |
| 23:19.11 | omri | it stays 11M |
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| 23:19.20 | kombi_ | stew: good question, where are headers usually? |
| 23:19.37 | jelly-home | rgsteele_home: looks like the package is buggy, even on lenny+sid in deb-src lines: E: Build-dependencies for drbd0.7-module-source could not be satisfied. |
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| 23:21.05 | kombi_ | stew: sorry, kernel-headers are installed of course, I just wonder where they reside.. |
| 23:21.32 | rgsteele_home | jelly-home: Ok, I just needed some verification that I wasn't overlooking something. |
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| 23:21.42 | rgsteele_home | I thought it seemed odd that it referenced a package that didn't exist. |
| 23:21.45 | erfdain | how do i list packages that depend on something? like if i wanted to know everything that depends on dpkg.... |
| 23:22.21 | lokkju_wrk | has anyone seen something for X that support *two* or more concurrent mice? |
| 23:22.39 | bzed | erfdain: apt-cache depends |
| 23:22.41 | lokkju_wrk | (like, having two cursors, that are independant) |
| 23:23.04 | erfdain | that shows that dpkg depends on... not the other wayaround... |
| 23:23.14 | gravity | lokkju_wrk: mpx is in the Xorg tree |
| 23:23.25 | bzed | erfdain: apt-cache rdepends |
| 23:23.30 | gravity | lokkju_wrk: It works, but it's still a work in progress |
| 23:23.43 | jelly-home | efaistos: apt-rdepends |
| 23:23.45 | gravity | lokkju_wrk: Presuming you mean two or more pointers on the screen |
| 23:23.46 | jelly-home | err |
| 23:23.57 | lokkju_wrk | gravity, oh? ok, looking at it now - I bethinking since I have both a touchscreen and a touchpad, on different ports, it might be interesting |
| 23:23.57 | jelly-home | erfdain: apt-rdepends |
| 23:24.38 | gravity | lokkju_wrk: If you want two inputs to the same cursor, it should just work if you're using /dev/input/mice |
| 23:24.50 | gravity | lokkju_wrk: I run the latter (touchpad and mouse) |
| 23:25.01 | erfdain | thx a ton |
| 23:25.02 | erfdain | Z) |
| 23:25.32 | kombi_ | where are kernel-headers in the filesystem? |
| 23:25.48 | lokkju_wrk | gravity, no, I was thinking two seperate cursors... it might be fun |
| 23:26.56 | lokkju_wrk | but I'll check mpx |
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| 23:26.57 | gravity | lokkju_wrk: Cool, then mpx is exactly what you want. :-) |
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| 23:26.57 | gravity | lokkju_wrk: It's still really new, so you'll need pretty much everything in X.org's git HEAD |
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| 23:26.57 | lokkju_wrk | gravity, how fun :) |
| 23:26.57 | gravity | :-) |
| 23:26.57 | jelly-home | bzed, erfdain: apt-cache considers Recommends and Suggests as dependencies, so might not be what you want |
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| 23:27.10 | gravity | lokkju_wrk: If you have any questions about it, email the Xorg list. The mpx developer is on there, and he's really cool |
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| 23:28.31 | kombi_ | need to link to kernel-headers, just where are they? |
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| 23:30.59 | bzed | <stew> kombi_: does build currently link to the linux-headers? have you installed linux-headers-$(uname -r) ? |
| 23:32.07 | kombi_ | bzed stew: I installed linux-headers according to uname -r, build contains a file Module.symvers |
| 23:32.36 | kombi_ | Since there is no such file in etch, I wonder what to do |
| 23:33.18 | mike__1 | kombi_, install Lenny :) |
| 23:34.17 | kombi_ | mike__1: good idea but can't.. |
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| 23:34.50 | mike__1 | oh |
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| 23:35.32 | kombi_ | any of you people could check whether you have a Modules.symvers? I borough it from you..;) |
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| 23:36.11 | kombi_ | compiling this freaking module drives me up the wall.. |
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| 23:36.52 | poli | on upgrading frm sarge, is this expected? Resolving dependencies... open: 170157; closed: 104988; defer: 0; conflict: 48 |
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| 23:41.59 | quik_ | hey folks |
| 23:42.20 | quik_ | when I run commands in terminal I get "/usr/bin/tar: Input/output error |
| 23:42.23 | quik_ | why is this? |
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| 23:43.25 | yeladies | hi |
| 23:43.39 | yeladies | can i upgrade from etch to sid securely? |
| 23:44.00 | pearl | sid is unstable |
| 23:44.09 | yeladies | yes |
| 23:44.09 | pearl | u will have much problems with sid |
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| 23:44.19 | yeladies | ok :::( |
| 23:44.21 | yeladies | XD |
| 23:44.40 | pearl | mostly developers are using sid |
| 23:44.48 | triplc | What program to call to setup XDM? (like gdmsetup for GDM) |
| 23:45.06 | pearl | but if you want a debian just for tinker, then upgrade to sid :) |
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| 23:45.18 | yeladies | i'll try |
| 23:45.19 | yeladies | XD |
| 23:45.28 | pearl | it will result in a new install |
| 23:45.33 | pearl | u cant go back to etch or something |
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| 23:46.32 | pearl | triplc: look for the config file? |
| 23:46.41 | ncd | any one into making games here? |
| 23:46.44 | pearl | ive never seen a programm for setting up xdm |
| 23:46.49 | SophWise | y |
| 23:47.15 | SophWise | oops, was supposed to be on a SSH window, ignore that :-) |
| 23:47.18 | pearl | triplc: i believe u have to edit the config file for xdm |
| 23:48.10 | triplc | pearl: All I want is to automatically login without entering password (I am using laptop with Etch)... I can do that with GDM (using now)... but I think I can save some RAM if I use a smaller Display Manager... or no manager at all (if it is possible) |
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| 23:49.08 | _Rubyxx | This blackjack-vegas strip game seems to be loaded against the dealer |
| 23:49.09 | triplc | pearl: I have a look in that xdm config but there is no "auto" login option |
| 23:49.57 | nvz_ | triplc: interesting theory but I think you are mistaken. X is X and uses the same ammount of memory regardless of how its started |
| 23:50.02 | pearl | triplc: should be possible, i think u have to write a script who runs startx after boot step |
| 23:50.13 | Justin | triplc: afaik, you can always stick su user -c 'startx' in an init script |
| 23:50.29 | nvz_ | triplc: if you wanna save memory you need to slim down the things actually running, not something that disapears after you login |
| 23:50.39 | Justin | though if you do have a swap partition gdm will just get swapped out eventually if you are out of mem |
| 23:50.49 | triplc | nvz_: ok |
| 23:51.23 | pearl | can someone teach me how to calculate from decimal to binar? =) |
| 23:51.24 | CaT[tm] | and if you are really running out of ram, drop the use og gnome/kde and just use a window manager. |
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| 23:51.44 | _Rubyxx | aha I have just discoverd that I have minus dollars |
| 23:52.05 | _Rubyxx | not plus dollars |
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| 23:52.33 | seven_six_two | where does iwconfig keep it's configuration? I tried to change my wireless settings in /etc/network/interfaces but it had no effect |
| 23:52.40 | pearl | _Rubyxx: so u have to use singed ints, for displaying ur money ;D |
| 23:52.40 | jelly-home | nvz: um, but gdm keeps running even after a session is started |
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| 23:52.59 | nvz | jelly-home: not any part that is going to consume memory beyond the X server itself' |
| 23:53.34 | nvz | jelly-home: and any traces of it would be swapped out as needed |
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| 23:53.52 | nvz | jelly-home: in short, its not going to save you one bit of memory by changing DMs |
| 23:54.07 | nvz | not using X would save you memory |
| 23:54.36 | jelly-home | nvz: well, getting rid of it would save 2MB RES here :-) |
| 23:54.45 | pearl | but now i have a different login manager |
| 23:54.47 | atealtha | just use startx |
| 23:54.56 | atealtha | and edit ~/.xinitrc |
| 23:55.05 | pearl | gdm i think, i can choose which window manager i want, wmaker, blackbox, kde... :) |
| 23:55.07 | nvz | why not use xinit then |
| 23:55.08 | pearl | i like that |
| 23:55.22 | nvz | if you are gonna edit ~/.xinitrc |
| 23:55.38 | atealtha | what's the difference/ |
| 23:55.38 | atealtha | ? |
| 23:55.48 | talisker | azureus is sweet |
| 23:56.17 | nvz | yeah and I'm a highschool cheerleader |
| 23:56.32 | nvz | whose not a slut, at that |
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| 23:56.33 | talisker | Do you know a better client? |
| 23:56.51 | Gnea | nvz: show me your pom-poms :) |
| 23:56.55 | jelly-home | nvz: startx sets up xauth! |
| 23:57.06 | atealtha | usenet ftw |
| 23:57.21 | Gnea | startx is a debian standard that's been with X for quite awhile, there's no good reason to use xinit on its own |
| 23:57.28 | nvz | jelly-home: I have no idea.. mit magic cookies and all that shit is pretty much over my head |
| 23:57.38 | Gnea | unless you're doing some sort of debugging |
| 23:57.49 | nvz | I've always used xinit when not using a dm |
| 23:57.56 | Gnea | well that's fine |
| 23:58.17 | jelly-home | nvz: startx is just a small wrapper for xinit, basically the same thing |
| 23:58.26 | seven_six_two | is there something wrong with my irc client? I've asked about iwconfig in 4 channels and nobody acknowledges me. can you see my typing? |
| 23:58.28 | Gnea | but we support using startx before xinit here, because it works and it sets everything up that needs to be setup |
| 23:59.02 | Gnea | 19:57 CTCP PING reply from seven_six_two: 0.872 seconds |
| 23:59.06 | nvz | seven_six_two: nope. |
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| 23:59.18 | atealtha | why only when not using a dm? |
| 23:59.27 | nvz | seven_six_two: maybe its because you never asked a question worth answering |
| 23:59.31 | Gnea | atealtha: that's his preference. |
| 23:59.39 | atealtha | when I get a new laptop I'll probably setup gnome and use startx if I want more than the cli |
| 23:59.41 | nvz | seven_six_two: like one that gives us some idea wtf your problem is |
| 23:59.44 | atealtha | I guess |
| 23:59.59 | Gnea | !chill nvz |
