| 00:00.05 | Gnea | hrm |
| 00:00.11 | seven_six_two | nvz: thanks. I suppose that could be true. all I want to know is where iwconfig pulls it's config from. I' |
| 00:00.27 | seven_six_two | I' |
| 00:00.28 | nvz | strace it then *shrug* |
| 00:00.28 | Gnea | nvz: go shove your head in a snowdrift for a few hours |
| 00:00.42 | nvz | if you've got an actual problem with wireless setup it would serve you better to say so |
| 00:01.19 | Gnea | iwconfig will only tell you what the settings are, unless you tell it to do something |
| 00:01.25 | seven_six_two | I've modified /etc/network/interfaces and iwconfig displays different settings. BTW nvz, you don't have to be an A hole |
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| 00:01.50 | nvz | I'm just telling you how to get help on irc |
| 00:01.54 | Gnea | seven_six_two: can you paste /etc/network/interfaces to a paster site please? |
| 00:02.01 | Gnea | !pastebin |
| 00:02.01 | dpkg | i guess pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.ca/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 00:02.04 | nvz | we dont bite on issues we arent aware of |
| 00:02.49 | mcmillen | does anyone know of a way to wake up a blank screen from the command-line? i've tried setterm -blank 0 and setterm -powersave off, but the first doesn't work and the latter says "cannot (un)set powersave mode" |
| 00:02.54 | seven_six_two | Gnea: yes I know. and if I want to change the settings I want to vim a text file. ifconfig mirrors settings in interfaces, but iwconfig doesn't. |
| 00:03.22 | seven_six_two | Gnea: I will paste it for you. |
| 00:03.22 | Gnea | seven_six_two: that's nice, but can you make the pastebin please? |
| 00:03.24 | jelly-home | mcmillen: X or console? |
| 00:03.26 | Gnea | thanks |
| 00:03.59 | jelly-home | mcmillen: setterm would maybe work on console |
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| 00:04.31 | mcmillen | jelly: well, ideally, both, but X preferred :) |
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| 00:04.39 | jelly-home | mcmillen: something like xset dpms force on |
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| 00:05.34 | mcmillen | jelly-home: hm, that doesn't seem to work either |
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| 00:05.45 | mcmillen | nor xset s off |
| 00:06.09 | mcmillen | i wonder if the BIOS is blanking the screen, and won't wake up unless i physically hit the keyboard |
| 00:06.22 | jelly-home | xset dpms force off; sleep 2; xset dpms force on works here |
| 00:07.03 | seven_six_two | http://paste.debian.net/27941 |
| 00:07.15 | seven_six_two | i included output from iwconfig |
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| 00:08.42 | mcmillen | jelly-home: agreed, that works for me on my desktop... but not on my laptop |
| 00:08.49 | mcmillen | jelly-home: very odd |
| 00:08.54 | seven_six_two | oh, and nvz, thanks for your concern, but I'm not really a newbie. I |
| 00:09.11 | tvynr | Anyone have any idea if there is a package anywhere (official repo or otherwise) that has a 32-bit Firefox package for AMD64 linked against ia32-libs? |
| 00:09.23 | tvynr | I'm sick to death of dealing with this chroot and Firefox is the only thing I run under it. |
| 00:09.24 | seven_six_two | I've been using irc for over a decade and linux for 4 years. I am new to wireless though |
| 00:10.11 | Gnea | seven_six_two: what wireless card is that? |
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| 00:10.17 | tvynr | seven_six_two: Same here. I just managed to get my router to play WPA-PSK WAP after fighting with it for a few hours the other day. Are you having difficulties? |
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| 00:10.43 | seven_six_two | Gnea: it's a linksys wireless g |
| 00:10.47 | seven_six_two | pcmcia |
| 00:10.51 | Gnea | oh |
| 00:11.01 | Gnea | you're using the wrong driver then. i'm using one of those right now. |
| 00:11.09 | Gnea | it should show up as wlan0 not eth1 |
| 00:11.14 | seven_six_two | tvynr: only changing the settings. |
| 00:11.23 | tvynr | seven_six_two: 'kay :) |
| 00:11.30 | seven_six_two | Gnea: it works though |
| 00:11.38 | jelly-home | tvynr: I think ubuntu has one O:-) (32bit ff package for amd64 distro) |
| 00:11.41 | Gnea | seven_six_two: apparantly not :) |
| 00:11.46 | Gnea | sec |
| 00:12.00 | Gnea | seven_six_two: what module is loaded for it? |
| 00:12.02 | seven_six_two | Gnea: I'm using it right now. It may be wrong, but I'm connected |
| 00:12.02 | tvynr | jelly-home: Somehow I think installing an Ubuntu package under Lenny would be a bad career move for my box. :-P |
| 00:12.10 | seven_six_two | Gnea: one sec |
| 00:12.22 | Gnea | seven_six_two: if it's connected... then... what's the problem? |
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| 00:12.41 | jelly-home | tvynr: weeeeell... maybe taking their sources and making a "backport" would be a bit easier on the poor system |
| 00:13.25 | tvynr | jelly-home: I'm hoping for something low maintenance, since I've already got plenty on my plate right now. :) It's just that I've helped a couple friends with installing AMD64 Debian and the only thing any of them really use the 32-bit chroot to do is run 32-bit Firefox. |
| 00:13.35 | seven_six_two | Gnea: bcm43xx |
| 00:13.54 | tvynr | jelly-home: I could force-install the IA32 Debian Firefox package, I guess... but that strikes me as less than a good plan as well. |
| 00:14.16 | jelly-home | tvynr: I doubt that'd work... you need a host of other ia32 libs that may or may not be in debian amd64 |
| 00:14.23 | seven_six_two | Gnea: I want to edit the text file containing the settings. It's connected with dhcp and wireless b |
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| 00:14.41 | Gnea | seven_six_two: try unloading that and loading hostap instead |
| 00:14.44 | seven_six_two | I want to make it static and g |
| 00:14.59 | tvynr | jelly-home: I was kinda hoping that ia32-libs would provide them. ;) |
| 00:15.18 | jelly-home | tvynr: libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.4.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.2), libgcc1 |
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| 00:15.18 | jelly-home | l3c2, libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.14.8), libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.13-4), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1-12), lib |
| 00:15.18 | jelly-home | x11-6, libxft2 (>> 2.1.1), libxinerama1, libxp6, libxrender1, libxt6 |
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| 00:15.23 | seven_six_two | hostap? ok I'll give that a try. |
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| 00:15.32 | mcmillen | jelly-home: debugging some more, it seems i can "xset dpms force off" or "suspend", but can never "force on" after that. i'm going to try xset -dpms and hope that prevent the screen from blanking in the future :) |
| 00:15.33 | jelly-home | tvynr: ... I don't think so :-) |
| 00:15.34 | Gnea | !wireless |
| 00:15.34 | dpkg | The Linux Wireless LAN resource page is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux or try asking #wireless, or see http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/net/wireless/cards.html, or Linksys WPC11: http://rtl-wifi.sourceforge.net/ |
| 00:15.42 | tvynr | jelly-home: Because I can see where this is headed. Everyone will say "but what about my one other little package I use in my chroot? I want that packaged as 32-bit under AMD64 as well." |
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| 00:15.55 | tvynr | jelly-home: Yet at the same time, the 32-bit chroot is really ugly. |
| 00:15.57 | mcmillen | jelly-home: but only two hours of waiting will tell me for sure :) thanks for the help! |
| 00:16.18 | jelly-home | tvynr: yes, and ubuntu guys do what's easy on users, and really package that stuff. |
| 00:16.26 | tvynr | jelly-home: But thanks for the info. I'll take a closer look into it and probably wind up just accepting the status quo. :) |
| 00:16.57 | tvynr | jelly-home: Ah. But I'm running Debian, so that doesn't help much. Unless I'm missing something. |
| 00:17.09 | jelly-home | mcmillen: um, set it to shut the screen off earlier :-) |
| 00:18.06 | gordboy | "how do u delete the grub.conf.swp file?" |
| 00:18.16 | seven_six_two | Gnea: why hostap? I don't want my laptop to be an access point |
| 00:18.36 | jelly-home | tvynr: TBH there's not that many packages that deserve to be run in a 32bit chroot... only the ones that have no alternative (firefox for 32bit non-free flash, maybe wine) |
| 00:18.37 | Gnea | seven_six_two: hostap isn't solely for an AP |
| 00:19.19 | seven_six_two | Gnea: no, I just did a quick google |
| 00:19.20 | jelly-home | tvynr: I'm staying at i386 precisly because I don't want to deal with that crap. :-| |
| 00:19.31 | seven_six_two | I'll give it a shot though |
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| 00:20.17 | jelly-home | Is there a d-i image with sid 2.6.20 kernel? |
| 00:20.26 | tvynr | jelly-home: Ah. And, of course, all the vendors say "we won't support 64-bit because no one runs it"... |
| 00:20.54 | tvynr | jelly-home: Thanks for the chat, though. I was just kinda hoping I'd walk in here and someone would say "well, of course - install iceweasel32... didn't you know that?" |
| 00:21.00 | tvynr | jelly-home: ;) |
| 00:21.18 | jelly-home | tvynr: 64bit works well on servers, thank you for asking! :-) |
| 00:22.21 | mcmillen | jelly-home: good point ;) |
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| 00:28.08 | aFlag | hello, sfdisk tells me "Warning: partition 4 does not start at a cylinder boundary" is there a way to fix that? |
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| 00:33.05 | aFlag | j #unix |
| 00:33.08 | aFlag | ops |
| 00:33.26 | Nielsen | aFlag: i don't know if it's the right way, but last i had that problem, parted fixed it for me |
| 00:34.07 | aFlag | hm, I'm using parted, but it didn't do anything to fix that |
| 00:34.31 | Nielsen | aFlag: try resizing the partition by a mb or two |
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| 00:35.02 | Nielsen | parted usually puts it right, if you use it from the beginning |
| 00:35.12 | jelly-home | aFlag: there's no need to fix it if everything wors |
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| 00:35.20 | Nielsen | so true |
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| 00:35.27 | jelly-home | Nielsen: also, parted can mess it up. :-| |
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| 00:35.46 | Zeelot | hello again ^_^ |
| 00:35.57 | Nielsen | any partition tool can mess stuff up. ;) |
| 00:36.08 | jelly-home | true |
| 00:36.11 | aFlag | jelly-home, I don't know if everything will work once I install the whole system |
| 00:36.35 | jelly-home | aFlag: are you just installing? |
| 00:36.47 | aFlag | besides, I wan't that other systems like solaris and windows refuse to install because of this |
| 00:36.59 | aFlag | jelly-home, yes, but there's this one partition I want to keep |
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| 00:37.05 | jelly-home | aFlag: did the partition exist previously to your setup? |
| 00:37.07 | Zeelot | so now I moved my Debian to my new drive and fixed all the errors thanks to you guys, but now the amount of free space it says is way off(says I only have 12gigs free of a 700gig partition), anyone know why? |
| 00:37.32 | jelly-home | aFlag: is it a laptop's "rescue" partition? |
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| 00:38.29 | claudio` | re |
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| 00:39.15 | anapivirtua | Hi all. |
| 00:39.17 | aFlag | No, it's a /home partition. I started debian's installer and it was working, but when I took a look on sfdisk it said "start: (c,h,s) expected (1023,15,63) found (1023,254,63)" for every extended partition and for the /dev/hda4 partition (that's the primary partition that hold the extended ones) |
| 00:39.46 | aFlag | then I deleted the partitions I made during installation and that stop showing up |
| 00:39.51 | Lycus | Ok, perhaps I'm an idiot, but I don't see what qualifies I should add in sources.list for non-free non-us/non-free non-us/main etc, as I do with contrib, by simply adding "contrib" after the deb line. |
| 00:39.58 | Lycus | qualifiers * |
| 00:40.11 | aFlag | but "Warning: partition 4 does not start at a cylinder boundary" is still being printed to the screen |
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| 00:40.32 | Lycus | Can anyone help me out? |
| 00:40.43 | jelly-home | aFlag: sounds like sfdisk got the geometry wrong |
| 00:41.26 | aFlag | cfdisk won't start when I have those other extended partitions |
| 00:41.46 | jelly-home | aFlag: pastebin your sfdisk -d /dev/hda |
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| 00:42.26 | Lycus | Anyone? |
| 00:43.08 | aFlag | http://rafb.net/p/gCEGM336.html |
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| 00:43.54 | jelly-home | aFlag: also "sfdisk /dev/hda" please, you can just ctrl-c it right after it starts |
| 00:44.09 | aFlag | http://rafb.net/p/mhaLci83.html |
| 00:44.17 | aFlag | this is what sfdisk -lV prints |
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| 00:44.48 | aFlag | it's the same as sfdisk /dev/hda |
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| 00:45.40 | litage | i just upgraded one of my servres to Etch. it's running the latest 2.6.18 kernel with security updates. if i run ``scp bigfile etchBox:'' from one of several workstations, the transfer's speed averages 30KB/s. however, if i run ``scp etchBox:bigfile .'' from one of several workstations, the transfer averages 7MB/s . how can i figure out what's going on? |
| 00:49.10 | jelly-home | aFlag: that beginning of the extended partition (hda4) is funny, it doesn't correspond either to X/16/63 geometry or Y/255/63 (LBA) geometry |
| 00:49.47 | aFlag | I think parted created it |
| 00:50.14 | aFlag | I've used cfdisk and parted to generate partitions so far (assuming the debian installer uses parted) |
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| 00:53.34 | aFlag | is there a way to fix it though? |
| 00:55.31 | jelly-home | aFlag: well, you can just align the beginning of hda4 |
| 00:56.26 | aFlag | how do I do that? |
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| 00:57.21 | CaT[tm] | they be broke. |
| 00:57.27 | CaT[tm] | oopsies |
| 00:58.38 | jelly-home | aFlag: http://rafb.net/p/ej8eON86.html, cat that | sfdisk /dev/hda |
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| 00:59.14 | jelly-home | aFlag: note that I haven't touched hda5, so the actual partition with data will not be harmed |
| 01:00.46 | aFlag | yeah, I see what you did, how do you know 142465680 is aligned, though? |
| 01:01.02 | jelly-home | aFlag: after that, try running cfdisk with explicitely telling it the geometry: cfdisk -c 238216 -h 16 -s 63 /dev/hda |
| 01:02.18 | jelly-home | aFlag: beginning of the partition mod (16*63) == 0 |
| 01:02.38 | jelly-home | aFlag: (using sectors as units) |
| 01:03.19 | DawnLight | does anyone know how i can list which apache2 mods are working? is "ln -s ../mods-available/rewrite.load" enough to load a mod at startup? |
| 01:03.32 | DawnLight | hi jelly |
| 01:03.56 | jelly-home | aFlag: so, it's nicely aligned with the cylinder beginning. and the first logical partition starts 63 sectors later, which is normal |
| 01:04.20 | jelly-home | DawnLight: hi |
| 01:05.27 | DawnLight | is there a web development channel? a channel where people would know apache? |
| 01:05.29 | jelly-home | aFlag: I'd guess parted didn't guess the geometry correctly, which happened to me on this machine too (I'd been using gparted though) |
| 01:05.34 | _Rubyxx | Is there anybody here using the proprietary ATI driver? |
| 01:05.37 | epsilon | DawnLight: there must be tool, like a2enmod |
| 01:06.12 | _Rubyxx | not the packaged one |
| 01:06.47 | jelly-home | DawnLight: a2enmod/a2dismod can do symlink management for you |
| 01:07.10 | epsilon | DawnLight: #apache |
| 01:07.30 | DawnLight | thanks peeps |
| 01:07.47 | jelly-home | epsilon: um, a2enmod and the nice /etc/apache2 setup are Debian's additions I think |
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| 01:08.31 | jelly-home | might be wrong, I haven't ever built apache2 from source :-) |
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| 01:08.51 | aFlag | I had to add "unit: sectors" at the begining of the file you told me, but it seems to work :) |
| 01:09.28 | epsilon | build apache is easy, but building php is real pain, you need like 2 pages of ./Configure options |
| 01:09.49 | aFlag | 16*63 is the amount of sectors I have? |
| 01:10.05 | jelly-home | aFlag: nice. I bet if you use Debian installer, it'll mess it up again :-) |
| 01:10.28 | jelly-home | aFlag: 16*63 is number of sectors per cylinder |
| 01:10.33 | aFlag | yes, I'll use cfdisk for parting it :) |
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| 01:11.45 | aFlag | this knoppix is being very handful :). I just wish it was a little more lightweight, perhaps not using kde |
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| 01:12.29 | jelly-home | aFlag: I like grml. |
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| 01:13.37 | aFlag | grml seems nice, thanks for the help :) |
| 01:13.37 | piztek3 | what version of gnome is lenny on? |
| 01:13.41 | epsilon | in gnome or KDE? |
| 01:13.44 | jelly-home | aFlag: it's yet another livecd distro, but has a lot of sysadmin-ish tools, and fluxbox as a wm should you choose to start X |
| 01:13.45 | piztek3 | gnome |
| 01:13.58 | piztek3 | epsilon: gnome! |
| 01:13.59 | epsilon | there should be a key setting menu somewhere n gnome |
| 01:14.10 | piztek3 | i think that only allows for one key combination |
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| 01:14.25 | jelly-home | piztek3: 2.14 |
| 01:14.35 | piztek3 | and what version of gnome is etch? |
| 01:14.36 | jelly-home | piztek3: 2.18 is trickling into unstable |
| 01:15.03 | epsilon | piztek3: http://packages.debian.org |
| 01:15.23 | epsilon | search for a gnome package in alls debian versions |
| 01:15.27 | jelly-home | piztek3: and take a look at available versions of eg. gnome-session and gnome packages |
| 01:15.36 | piztek3 | does evolution have a tray icon? |
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| 01:15.54 | piztek3 | is there an osx like kicker for gnome? |
| 01:16.04 | epsilon | apt-cache search |
| 01:16.14 | piztek3 | kxdocker |
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| 01:17.24 | piztek3 | any others |
| 01:17.27 | piztek3 | anyone uses? |
| 01:17.29 | jelly-home | piztek3: try #gnome on irc.gimp.org |
| 01:17.56 | piztek3 | k, thanks |
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| 01:18.26 | Justin | piztek3: AWN? |
| 01:19.07 | piztek3 | awn? |
| 01:19.09 | piztek3 | what is awn? |
| 01:19.34 | helix84 | hello. i have rebuilt (customized config options) a package using apt-get source, apt-get build-dep and debuild. how do i install this package _with dependencies_? (i'm not sure if the dependencies were rebuilt, too, but they've been created where debuild put my custom .deb) |
| 01:19.41 | jelly-home | piztek3: there's also #gnome-debian there |
| 01:20.23 | jelly-home | helix84: create a local repository and add it to sources.list |
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| 01:20.42 | jelly-home | helix84: then install using apt |
| 01:20.54 | helix84 | jelly-home: there isn't a simpler way? |
| 01:21.11 | jelly-home | helix84: that's the simplest I know |
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| 01:21.32 | jelly-home | helix84: making a local one-dir repo is about 2-3 commands |
| 01:22.27 | helix84 | jelly-home: the problem is when i will be distributing the modified deb(s) users will have to do it too... |
| 01:23.12 | jelly-home | helix84: make the repo available via http or ftp, and tell them too add your repo and install using apt |
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| 01:25.18 | ice63 | :) |
| 01:25.26 | helix84 | jelly-home: thanks, i'll try some more and see |
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| 01:29.18 | jelly-home | sure. In the meantime, lemme put some local backports into /home/pkg, and run a single alias that updates the repository which is already available via apache. :-) |
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| 01:32.10 | helix84 | jelly-home: english please? :) |
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| 01:33.34 | helix84 | jelly-home: i solved it _somehow_ using apt-get -f install. i'll have to do it again to understand what i did. |
| 01:33.38 | jelly-home | helix84: the setup I suggested already works for me here :-) |
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| 01:34.22 | jelly-home | helix84: oh, you did dpkg -i some.deb, it failed because of the dependencies, and then you ran "apt-get -f install" |
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| 01:34.40 | helix84 | yes |
| 01:34.48 | helix84 | is that ok? |
| 01:34.49 | jelly-home | helix84: that works _if_ all the dependencies are available in Debian |
| 01:35.03 | helix84 | yes, i just rebuilt a source package |
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| 01:35.25 | jelly-home | helix84: might fail for some more complicated packages that have more that one binary package as a result |
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| 01:35.46 | helix84 | let me worry about that later :) |
| 01:35.54 | helix84 | thanks |
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| 01:36.15 | jelly-home | hey, if it works... ;-) |
| 01:37.50 | helix84 | one more detail - when i rebuild it and distribute it should i some things like the name of the package? |
| 01:38.29 | inFw | Er.. How can I check if I have a package installed? |
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| 01:38.39 | helix84 | dpkg -l | grep packagename |
| 01:38.39 | dpkg | ii | grep packagename 2.6-12.1 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 01:38.54 | inFw | thanks helix84 |
| 01:39.15 | DawnLight | does anyone know where do i put the "AllowOverride All" in the apache2 configuration files? if i put it in httpd.conf it tells me that it's not allowed... |
| 01:39.19 | jelly-home | helix84: in general no, you might want to increment the debian revision number a bit |
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| 01:39.56 | jelly-home | helix84: eg. if Debian has 0.90.2-1, you can add a changelog entry for 0.90.2-1helix1 |
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| 01:40.45 | jplastin | is there a way to reread and apply changes to /etc/fstab without rebooting? |
| 01:40.48 | helix84 | ok i'll look into that |
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| 01:41.02 | sid | $ cat /etc/cron.d/planet |
| 01:41.05 | sid | */60 * * * * www-data /usr/bin/planetplanet /etc/planet.conf |
| 01:41.11 | sid | Is that a proper cron line? |
| 01:41.21 | jelly-home | helix84: if you change the name and don't have control over the installations, someone might try to install both your package and the original... you'd need to add some Conflicts: in that case |
| 01:41.30 | xoz_ | DawnLight: insider <Directory ... > </Directory> |
| 01:41.56 | damog | sid: I'm not pretty sure www-data can actually do that |
| 01:42.35 | sid | damog: Besides the user, is the cron line proper? I've never had to mess with cron before. |
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| 01:42.40 | xoz_ | jplastin: mount -a |
| 01:43.07 | helix84 | jelly-home: so changing the control file is enough? is that where debuild takes the name from? |
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| 01:43.24 | jelly-home | helix84: yup |
| 01:43.37 | helix84 | jelly-home: good. gonna try |
| 01:44.07 | jelly-home | although I don't know what's debuild, I hope it's a wrapper for dpkg-buildpackage :-) |
| 01:44.13 | helix84 | it is |
| 01:44.15 | damog | sid: It is, which is the same as * */1 * * *, every hour = every 60 minutes |
| 01:44.21 | damog | sid: but wait, no |
| 01:44.34 | damog | sid: That's incorrect, no need to put the user there |
| 01:44.41 | jelly-home | damog: that's every minute |
| 01:45.01 | damog | jelly-home: Wasn't the first column for minutes? |
| 01:45.09 | damog | I think it is. |
| 01:45.13 | jelly-home | damog: and you have * there |
| 01:45.46 | damog | jelly-home: Right, then: 0 * * * *, every hour :-) |
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| 01:46.12 | jelly-home | damog: right |
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| 01:46.27 | jelly-home | or even 42 * * * * |
| 01:46.39 | damog | Correct. |
| 01:47.09 | damog | sid: You can swith user and then `crontab -e` to setup cron for that user |
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| 01:47.18 | DawnLight | thanks xos_ |
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| 01:47.36 | damog | sid: or do some kind of `su` trick under root |
| 01:47.36 | jelly-home | damog: crontab -u username -e :-) |
| 01:47.49 | damog | jelly-home += 2; |
| 01:47.52 | damog | :) |
| 01:48.19 | jelly-home | nothing like a cup of rtfm! |
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| 01:49.15 | damog | Ditto. |
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| 01:51.02 | ryx | what's the way to get a japanese input method (in gnome-terminal)? |
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| 02:02.03 | damog | ryx: No idea :( |
| 02:02.08 | muhoo | auugh, i hate it when people talk about a kernel config option without specifying the CONFIG_FOO name of it, or the location of it in make menuconfig |
| 02:02.12 | muhoo | http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0609.2/2293.html |
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| 02:02.13 | GomoX | Hey |
| 02:02.17 | muhoo | where is "bandwidth allocation" specified in usb? |
| 02:02.57 | GomoX | I am growing a bit tired of debian sid atm, is there a reason I should use etch instead of ubuntu? |
| 02:03.06 | GomoX | (desktop use) |
| 02:03.16 | muhoo | isn't ubuntu etch anyway? ;-) |
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| 02:03.39 | GomoX | dunno, precisely my point :/ |
| 02:03.42 | muhoo | GomoX => #ubuntu |
| 02:04.22 | muhoo | i doubt that anyone here will want to get into a debian vs ubuntu flamewar. |
| 02:04.26 | ryx | what a shame. I tried quite a bit already, including reading howtos, installing stuff left and right |
| 02:04.40 | damog | GomoX: What do you mean by 'tired' |
| 02:04.43 | GomoX | it's not a flamewar it's a real question |
| 02:04.59 | GomoX | I have been running sid for a while now |
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| 02:05.37 | Superkuh | I have debian 4.02 on an alphastation 2/166, it's all fine and dandy, can ping the 'net, etc, but I can't get the main HD sda3 to boot read-rwrite, ala "type ext2 (rw,errors=remount-ro)" |
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| 02:06.17 | ryx | but there's gotta be a simple gnome way to get a japanese input method |
| 02:06.18 | Superkuh | The CDROM SCSI works fine. |
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| 02:06.19 | ryx | the right-click menu of gnome-terminal includes such exotic stuff like vietnamese and thai |
| 02:06.19 | ryx | why not japanese |
| 02:06.19 | ryx | r |
| 02:06.27 | ryx | or rather, what's the package for it |
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| 02:07.27 | skaterboy2007 | hey |
| 02:07.27 | muhoo | ah, it is USB_BANDWIDTH |
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| 02:08.33 | StarScream | hey guys, i was wondering if there was a trick to getting network manager to work. With my ibook, my card is detected, it works via iwconfig, i have comented out the interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces. |
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| 02:08.45 | StarScream | it works for my wired networks |
| 02:08.59 | StarScream | just not wireless . |
| 02:09.09 | Vasistha | StarScream: have you restarted NM since you commented /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 02:09.10 | Vasistha | (and the dispatcher?) |
| 02:09.10 | StarScream | Vasistha: yes |
| 02:09.20 | StarScream | Vasistha: well restarted the machine |
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| 02:09.36 | Vasistha | StarScream: yeah, that would do it, although it's a bit of overkill |
| 02:09.50 | StarScream | Vasistha: the restart was not for that :) |
| 02:09.50 | Vasistha | StarScream: what does it do when it's trying to connect? |
| 02:10.07 | GomoX | I don't know, sid creates crust on the system, it kinda feels like windows |
| 02:10.09 | StarScream | Vasistha: it doesn't "see" my wireless card. |
| 02:10.13 | GomoX | I installed maybe 3 years ago |
| 02:10.17 | StarScream | i don't get any option to connect |
| 02:10.23 | GomoX | I'd like for the system to just work (TM) for a while |
| 02:10.52 | GomoX | So i thought "hey ubuntu sounds like that" but then etch came out |
| 02:10.56 | StarScream | Vasistha: the card is 100% supported by the kernel and has been for a while. |
| 02:11.01 | GomoX | And i thought "maybe stable wouldn't kill me for a while" |
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| 02:11.15 | GomoX | then I /j'ed #debian and here i am |
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| 02:12.05 | litage | i just upgraded one of my servres to Etch. it's running the latest 2.6.18 kernel with security updates. if i run ``scp bigfile etchBox:'' from one of several workstations, the transfer's speed averages 30KB/s. however, if i run ``scp etchBox:bigfile .'' from one of several workstations, the transfer averages 7MB/s . how can i figure out what's going on? |
| 02:12.11 | GomoX | you know, plug in a USB keychain and have it work OOB and such stuff |
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| 02:12.44 | Vasistha | StarScream: NM has a menu for enabling/disabling wireless -- I assume you've made sure wireless is enabled? You might try disabling / enabling |
| 02:13.19 | StarScream | Vasistha: yes i have tried that. It doesn't seem to do anything. |
| 02:13.45 | StarScream | Vasistha: also my user is part of the network manager group |
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| 02:14.04 | Vasistha | StarScream: damn. hmm, have you made sure your card/radio is supported by NM ? There are a handful of kernel-supported cards that don't work with NM |
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| 02:14.37 | StarScream | Vasistha: no i haven't. I will see if i can find a list. Thank you for your help. |
| 02:14.55 | helix84 | jelly-home: how exactly do i change the package name? when i changed "Package:" in control file it broke stuff. |
| 02:14.58 | sid | I just did apt-get install kde, and I started kde.. wheN I play this movie I have no sound. How can I adjust sound? There is no alsamixer commadn |
| 02:15.14 | abrotman | install alsa-base |
| 02:15.15 | Vasistha | StarScream: sorry I can't really offer much in the way of actually valuable suggestions ;) good luck, though. You also might try running the NM tool as root |
| 02:15.43 | StarScream | Vasistha: apparently it's suportted :( ..i'll try the root idea. Thanks |
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| 02:16.09 | fabfab | Hi |
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| 02:16.23 | Vasistha | GomoX: one of the nicest things about debian stable is that it's low-maintenance. It just runs. You can count on it. |
| 02:16.29 | sid | Should I install alsa-utils and alsa-base? |
| 02:16.35 | sid | or does kde not use that stuff? |
| 02:16.41 | ryx | bug: aptitude remove apt-listbug does not remove /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10apt-listbugs (breaking aptitude in the process) |
| 02:16.44 | sid | ahh, ok abrotman |
| 02:16.55 | sid | hmm, konsole has white background, I can't see stuff with irss |
| 02:16.55 | GomoX | Vasistha: the thing is, how is the release cycle looking like? Because I installed this machine during the woody times |
| 02:16.56 | sid | i |
| 02:17.09 | ryx | (on lenny) |
| 02:17.10 | GomoX | Sarge took a looong time |
| 02:17.17 | GomoX | But then etch was quick like the quick brown fox that jump over the lazy do |
| 02:17.17 | GomoX | g |
| 02:17.32 | abrotman | GomoX: won't know til it gets closer |
| 02:17.48 | GomoX | But, there was a decision at some point to have things going faster, right? |
| 02:17.56 | GomoX | It's not like etch just "was ready" faster |
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| 02:18.43 | Vasistha | GomoX: sarge took 3 years, etch took just under 2 years; they're aiming for 18 months (although they were also so aiming for etch) |
| 02:19.11 | dvs | Vasistha: ha! |
| 02:19.22 | GomoX | really? 2 years? it felt like 1.little year |
| 02:19.35 | GomoX | and what's ubuntu like? 6 months? |
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| 02:19.58 | dvs | GomoX: About that. And you see the quality in that. ;-) |
| 02:20.01 | Vasistha | GomoX: when I was using sarge, it was really starting to feel old by the time etch was released. In fact, I upgraded when etch froze. One other thing is that by the time sarge released, it had been frozen for so long, it was already pretty old when it released. |
| 02:20.28 | Vasistha | etch is not so ancient right now :) |
| 02:20.39 | GomoX | yeah, i recall, I couldn't stand sarge when it was in testing so I moved to sid |
| 02:20.55 | GomoX | etch is brand new atm so it might be a good time to install that |
| 02:21.31 | GomoX | but then again it will be old by the time $NEW_RELEASE is ready |
| 02:21.40 | GomoX | that's why i'm considering ubuntu |
| 02:21.44 | GomoX | i'd like to have sid, without the pains in the ass |
| 02:22.01 | Vasistha | GomoX: yeah, it is a nice time to be using etch. of course, you'll probably have to reinstall -- downgrading isn't really supported, if you've used sid at all recently. But, you know, lenny should be much easier than sid |
| 02:22.14 | StarScream | Vasistha: i am really happy with etch. For ages i had to run ubuntu b/c i wanted a stable debian like system but debians packages were so old that i wasn't compatible with the software we ran at work |
| 02:22.27 | GomoX | yeah I have to reinstall anyway, the system is pretty crufty and I need to repartition |
| 02:22.35 | Vasistha | StarScream: heh, better than running another os ;) |
| 02:22.50 | ryx | solved my japanese im problem. Apparently uim together with uim-canna and canna and uim-gtk2.0 helps |
| 02:22.50 | GomoX | oh, yeah, and then there's *that* option |
| 02:22.53 | ryx | not to mention uim-utils |
| 02:23.03 | GomoX | but i don't feel like going 'doze atm |
| 02:23.16 | StarScream | Vasistha: yeh. I didn't mind, but everyone has their preferences and debian is usually mine :) |
| 02:23.19 | GomoX | maybe a mac but i don't feel like buying new hardware |
| 02:23.37 | Vasistha | ryx: as for the apt issue, try purging the package |
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| 02:23.47 | Vasistha | ryx: and if necessary, do an aptitude -f |
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| 02:23.51 | GomoX | meh |
| 02:24.04 | GomoX | How's etch like from a desktop POV? |
| 02:24.14 | Vasistha | !distrowatch |
| 02:24.14 | dpkg | hmm... distrowatch is http://www.distrowatch.com -- a website that estimates the popularity of different distros, and lists versions of some of the software they include. There's a nice debian page here: http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=debian |
| 02:24.19 | Vasistha | GomoX: ^^^ check it out |
| 02:24.58 | GomoX | i meant stuff lke "will it load a usb drive automatically" and such |
| 02:25.21 | GomoX | I know ubuntu will have all the hotpluggish things setup |
| 02:25.39 | Vasistha | GomoX: I know kde's got a mounting daemon, now, and I think gnome may as well. And, there *is* an automount package, I believe, that you can install |
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| 02:26.12 | GomoX | Yeah but automount and hotplug are one of those things that don't apt-get as well as everything else |
| 02:26.16 | abrotman | the staff all use the same server ? |
| 02:26.36 | ryx | Vasistha: hmm, for one I can' |
| 02:26.42 | ryx | t reproduce it |
| 02:26.57 | ryx | after having removed it once manually, it doesn't seem to reinstall that file when reinstalling apt-listbugs |
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| 02:27.11 | GomoX | especially if you installed in the pre-udev days |
| 02:27.18 | Vasistha | how strange, a netsplit, and the only people who were split were all staff |
| 02:27.42 | GomoX | i installed in the XFree and static /dev days |
| 02:27.52 | GomoX | built my own kernel |
| 02:28.05 | srepfler | hi, I'm trying to install java and I'm having problems with the path, I actually see java with the normal user and can't get it on the path for the superuser, can someone give me a hand? |
| 02:28.09 | GomoX | so any hope of magical hardware detection procedures is lost |
| 02:28.21 | Vasistha | GomoX: well, so did I -- sarge! and the sarge->etch upgrade worked wonderfully. udev was installed, and hotplug/discover were removed |
| 02:28.43 | GomoX | but i run sid!! SID!! |
| 02:28.52 | Vasistha | srepfler: why would you want to run java as root? That sounds like a bad idea. |
| 02:28.54 | GomoX | meh |
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| 02:29.18 | GomoX | I'll just glue a debian cd and an ubuntu cd together, toss in the air and then install whatever ends up on top |
| 02:29.28 | GomoX | I'll tell you how that worked |
| 02:29.33 | Vasistha | heh |
| 02:29.53 | GomoX | i'll probably do etch, then at some point get sick of old stuff and go to sid again |
| 02:30.04 | NefariousPrior | Has anyone seen any debian based firefox/iceweasel themes around? I haven't found even one. |
| 02:30.06 | GomoX | in the oh-so-wonderfully-repeating cycle of operating system installs |
| 02:30.13 | srepfler | ok, but even if it's a bad idea can you help me add the java dir to the rood path? |
| 02:30.21 | GomoX | thanks people |
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| 02:34.04 | abrotman | srepfler: which version of debian ? |
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| 02:34.29 | Vasistha | srepfler: well, it probably is set up not to be there for a good reason, and I wouldn't want to mess with that, myself. |
| 02:34.29 | CaT[tm] | grep is a wonderful tool... except when it decides to search /dev/null |
| 02:34.46 | Vasistha | CaT[tm]: yeah, you should exclude /dev and /proc from your searches |
| 02:34.49 | dvs | grep 1 /dev/zero |
| 02:35.02 | dvs | heh |
| 02:35.02 | sn0 | nn |
| 02:35.03 | Vasistha | CaT[tm]: and /sys |
| 02:35.06 | CaT[tm] | vas: actually... I misread something |
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| 02:35.41 | CaT[tm] | it actually is trying to search a fscking pipe despite being told not to. I so hate that. |
| 02:35.47 | Vasistha | GomoX: when's the last time you ran an update/upgrade? |
| 02:35.59 | srepfler | how can I tell the debian version? |
| 02:36.06 | Vasistha | srepfler: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 02:36.26 | srepfler | testing/unstable |
| 02:36.35 | abrotman | srepfler: how did you install java ? |
| 02:36.38 | abrotman | !install java |
| 02:36.38 | dpkg | i guess install java is First, read <java licensing>. Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". if you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main), the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about <java-package> or install the sun-java5-jdk package from non-free if you're using etch/sid. |
| 02:36.44 | abrotman | ah ... |
| 02:36.46 | abrotman | that needs to be updated |
| 02:36.57 | abrotman | or install the sun-java5-jdk package from non-free if you're using etch/sid. |
| 02:37.00 | abrotman | that's the part you want |
| 02:37.13 | srepfler | apt-get install sun-java6-jdk |
| 02:37.25 | srepfler | I need the 6 release |
| 02:37.36 | smi | What is the default chmod for home dir ? |
| 02:37.44 | abrotman | i think 6 is in sid |
| 02:37.44 | dvs | smi: cd ~ |
| 02:37.46 | abrotman | smi: depends |
| 02:37.50 | dvs | abrotman: and lenny |
| 02:37.50 | abrotman | dvs: ? |
| 02:37.56 | abrotman | dvs: i know |
| 02:38.02 | srepfler | the jdk is installed |
| 02:38.08 | Vasistha | smi: /home or ~ ? /home should be writable only by root |
| 02:38.08 | dvs | doh. |
| 02:38.08 | abrotman | how does cd ~ relate to chmod ? |
| 02:38.09 | srepfler | this is not a problem |
| 02:38.16 | smi | Vasistha: like, /home/user |
| 02:38.18 | srepfler | it's just that I can't run java stuff as root |
| 02:38.36 | smi | Vasistha: I think I've messed the chmod for my user |
| 02:38.45 | CaT[tm] | you can't tell grep to skip pipes. sigh. |
| 02:39.03 | Vasistha | smi: mine is drwx-r-sr-x |
| 02:39.17 | CaT[tm] | thgat so totally bites. |
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| 02:39.30 | nzk | How do I make nano show line numbers |
| 02:39.34 | nzk | and do syntax hilighting? |
| 02:39.39 | karsten | CaT[tm]: You can tell find to skip pipes though. |
| 02:39.40 | Vasistha | smi: which is interesting, actually. I think the sarge->etch upgrade must have turned the group sticky bit on |
| 02:39.51 | smi | ok |
| 02:40.00 | CaT[tm] | karsten: nothing more entertaining then using xargs to start a process up a few million times. |
| 02:40.11 | smi | Vasistha: I'll try that, thanks |
| 02:40.12 | Vasistha | nzk: I dunno if you can get line numbers, but I do remember finding a nano syntax highlighting nanorc ... have you googled for it? |
| 02:40.18 | karsten | CaT[tm]: You can tell xargs not to do that. |
| 02:40.25 | karsten | CaT[tm]: What are you searching for, where, and in how many files? |
| 02:40.39 | stoned | i hate windows |
| 02:40.40 | CaT[tm] | karsten: a string, /, everything |
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| 02:40.40 | karsten | CaT[tm]: ... you can also generate the filelist first then feed bits of it to grep. |
| 02:40.58 | karsten | CaT[tm]: Any time window to what you're searching on? |
| 02:41.05 | FuzzyB | could someone point me in the direction of using apt to compile unstable packages from source? |
| 02:41.05 | Vasistha | nzk: I remember it took me kind of a while to find it :P I also remember that it's kinda slow. nano wasn't really written with syntax highlighting in mind, and it's really poorly optimized ... the editor will become quite slow (of course I'm running on a pretty old, slow box, here) |
| 02:41.20 | CaT[tm] | karsten: see, now you're getting into the starting grep a few million times category. |
| 02:41.22 | karsten | CaT[tm]: Sounds like an indexing scheme (swish++, beagle) might be your friend if this is regular practice. |
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| 02:41.28 | Vasistha | !tell FuzzyB about simple sid backport |
| 02:41.41 | CaT[tm] | karsten: it's not. I need to find something ona mismanaged server that I retired. |
| 02:43.21 | stoned | tell Vasistha about stoned |
| 02:43.22 | stoned | la de da |
| 02:43.22 | FuzzyB | thx |
| 02:43.22 | stoned | Vasistha: im proud of you |
| 02:43.22 | stoned | Vasistha: 3 months here |
| 02:43.22 | stoned | :D |
| 02:43.22 | dvs | stoned: got a job yet? |
| 02:43.23 | stoned | dvs: I've had one |
| 02:43.23 | Vasistha | stoned: heh. well, it's not something I set out to do. I just lost the desire for it; it became unappealing. |
| 02:43.23 | dvs | cool! |
| 02:43.23 | stoned | dvs: i have a solid job history.. I can find work anytime |
| 02:43.23 | stoned | thanks for askin :) |
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| 02:43.23 | stoned | Vasistha: I'm feeling the same way |
| 02:43.23 | karsten | CaT[tm]: xargs -L and -P options may be of interest. |
| 02:43.23 | dvs | stoned: the last time we talking you were in the process of getting one. |
| 02:43.24 | nzk | How do I use Gedit over ssh? |
| 02:43.24 | stoned | dvs: took me only 1/2 hour to get a job |
| 02:43.26 | dvs | o_O |
| 02:43.30 | stoned | I know how to get interviews |
| 02:43.31 | Vasistha | stoned: ...but you've mentioned that you were on the job hunt ... so, naturally, we're curious if there are any bites ... actually, interestingly, a good buddy of mine just got a new job, and is starting monday |
| 02:43.33 | jelly-home | !tell nzk about sshx |
| 02:43.41 | karsten | CaT[tm]: I'd also start the search say within some known time window (past quarter, year, two years) before scanning absolutely *everything*. There are also trees which are more likely to be targets than others. |
| 02:43.47 | stoned | Vasistha: I have a job, I just don't like it |
| 02:43.52 | stoned | I'm always looking for something better |
| 02:43.57 | karsten | CaT[tm]: Frankly, having to stat() every file itself is going to be expensive. |
| 02:43.58 | stoned | so yeah.. still on the hunt |
| 02:43.59 | Vasistha | stoned: heh. yeah, he was in the same boat. he was looking for like a year |
| 02:44.00 | dvs | stoned: I hear ya. |
| 02:44.02 | Superkuh | Okay. I have condensed my debian 4.02 apt-get problem with my 4/166 alphastation into a pastebin: http://pastebin.ca/486836 (I had to use netcat to get the text to avoid retyping) |
| 02:44.10 | CaT[tm] | karsten: these systems aren't new enough for that. |
| 02:44.13 | stoned | I've applied for a few federal and state and city IT jobs |
| 02:44.15 | Vasistha | debian 4.02? |
| 02:44.16 | CaT[tm] | karsten: -L and -P I mean |
| 02:44.18 | Superkuh | I think? |
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| 02:44.27 | karsten | CaT[tm]: If you've got multiple filesystems, you might want to try grepping the raw devices then refining your search. |
| 02:44.28 | stoned | they got good benefits |
| 02:44.31 | jelly-home | nzk: or you could try sshfs and edit as if it were local files |
| 02:44.34 | karsten | CaT[tm]: Um. Boot Knoppix and search from that. |
| 02:44.35 | Vasistha | nzk: I'd advise against it, but you could use sshfs |
| 02:44.44 | karsten | CaT[tm]: ... or relocate the disks onto a modern system. |
| 02:44.47 | CaT[tm] | karsten: I'd rather not travel the 10k :) |
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| 02:44.58 | karsten | Well, you didn't mention *that*. |
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| 02:45.12 | FuzzyB | could someone give me an example of a deb-src line for sid? |
| 02:45.15 | CaT[tm] | karsten: hehe. hasn't come up as something that needed mentioning until now :) |
| 02:45.18 | karsten | CaT[tm]: How old are these boxen? |
| 02:45.21 | jelly-home | Vasistha: I've been using sshfs to edit files on a Windows server for about a year now. :-) |
| 02:45.36 | stoned | jelly-home: I'm on windows atm |
| 02:45.39 | Vasistha | stoned: it's interesting how long thc & other chemicals stay in your system. it took probably a full year after the *last* time I smoked (even a little bit) for all of the long-term effects to wear off. perhaps even longer! |
| 02:45.46 | stoned | jelly-home: xming with xdmcp into my laptop |
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| 02:45.48 | Superkuh | No, I am an idiot. debian-40r0-alpha-businesscard.iso |
| 02:45.49 | srepfler | I know you don't like this but still can someone tell me how to change the $PATH variable of the root user |
| 02:45.57 | CaT[tm] | karsten: the backup server is sarge (it has -P I've just noticed). the other one is fc3. |
| 02:46.06 | stoned | Vasistha: i know man |
| 02:46.12 | stoned | Vasistha: I still have the desire to smoke |
| 02:46.15 | Vasistha | jelly-home: awesome! well, then I guess it's probably safe enough. I tried editing a file in kate using ftpfs, and kate hung when I tried to save the file :P |
| 02:46.18 | stoned | bashelier: but not as much |
| 02:46.20 | karsten | CaT[tm]: If you've got glimpse or swish on these boxen you might try building an index first. |
| 02:46.23 | stoned | er.. Vasistha |
| 02:46.30 | abrotman | srepfler: you could put it in /etc/profile |
| 02:46.32 | stoned | man I love weed dude |
| 02:46.34 | stoned | i can't help it |
| 02:46.42 | stoned | but im trying to stay clean |
| 02:46.42 | karsten | CaT[tm]: It's going to take longer the first time through, but if you end up having to re-search the systems, it's going to be tons and tons faster. |
| 02:46.47 | jelly-home | Vasistha: it has problems, but is good enough to edit shortish text files I guess |
| 02:46.55 | stoned | fish:// |
| 02:46.57 | stoned | :D |
| 02:47.06 | stoned | i wonder what fish uses |
| 02:47.08 | stoned | sshfs or what |
| 02:47.15 | stoned | i never bothered to find out, its a kde thing i think |
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| 02:47.21 | nzk | I did everything the bot told me to |
| 02:47.22 | srepfler | actually I tried that and it still doesn't work for root |
| 02:47.27 | Master_Medic | is there a debian package for freeimage? |
| 02:47.27 | Superkuh | http://pastebin.ca/486840 , I'm SOO close, I started all the way back at figuring out SRM and then aboot and the 2MB space to leave...etc, etc. |
| 02:47.27 | Vasistha | stoned: I totally know what you mean. Actually, probably the only reason I stopped is because I really got into a meditation practice ... the Art of Living. They teach a great course, and I slowly realized that it was better to do those things and never use pot |
| 02:47.32 | nzk | But now how do I use gedit with ssh if I did -x |
| 02:47.33 | jelly-home | Vasistha: mplayer doesn't work well, for example. but strace -o /dev/null mplayer does ... there be races in the code |
| 02:47.33 | CaT[tm] | karsten: yeah. fun and joy. :) maybe it'll complete by lunch. |
| 02:47.37 | karsten | CaT[tm]: Alternatively, run find, build a list of files, and string together the ones to be searched yourself up to max shell args. |
| 02:47.52 | karsten | CaT[tm]: Hey, it's not as if you've got to sit there picking your nose while it runs. |
| 02:48.01 | Vasistha | !tell Master_Medic about pdo |
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| 02:48.09 | srepfler | http://rafb.net/p/hHdEQU78.html |
| 02:48.25 | CaT[tm] | karsten: yeah. it just seems like a clumsy way to get around grep doing something silly, which is what's annoying me. |
| 02:48.29 | srepfler | does this make sense? |
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| 02:48.37 | stoned | Vasistha: I deleted 300+gigs of porn, and stopped smoking and drinking and doing coke. I started working out and jogging in the mornings. I feel so much better and alive now. I somehow picked up tobacco :( I only smoke maybe one cig a week if that you know, but its nice to be able to smell the grass in the morning and the smell of flowers |
| 02:48.44 | stoned | Vasistha: as a smoker my nose was dead |
| 02:48.46 | abrotman | nzk: what's wrong with vi ? |
| 02:48.56 | nzk | not vi |
| 02:48.58 | nzk | nano |
| 02:48.59 | nzk | nano sucks. |
| 02:49.02 | stoned | nano > * |
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| 02:49.05 | stoned | you suck! |
| 02:49.05 | nzk | I like gedit MUCH better |
| 02:49.06 | abrotman | uhm |
| 02:49.08 | stoned | bah |
| 02:49.09 | Vasistha | stoned: yeah, I hear ya. well, if you want to feel even better ... check out the Art of Living. they're in NYC |
| 02:49.11 | nzk | No offense to anyone |
| 02:49.36 | stoned | nzk: http://youfuck.mypets.ws/screenshots/nano.png |
| 02:49.38 | karsten | stoned: Congrats, that's a good start. |
| 02:49.49 | stoned | yeh, thanks dude |
| 02:50.17 | stoned | I'm proud of myself |
| 02:50.24 | stoned | 3+ months of no toke |
| 02:50.25 | CaT[tm] | stoned: that /was/ your adsl connection I assume? :) |
| 02:50.26 | Vasistha | Superkuh: could it be that you already have an instance of aptitude or apt-get or dpkg running? |
| 02:50.38 | stoned | CaT[tm]: adsl? |
| 02:50.45 | stoned | CaT[tm]: cable dude, i fucking despise dsl |
| 02:50.47 | Vasistha | or cable? |
| 02:50.58 | Vasistha | stoned: it's still async, though, huh |
| 02:51.03 | CaT[tm] | stoned: same thing, different aroma. upload speed crippled and now worse :) |
| 02:51.13 | stoned | well i just wanted to show my nano |
| 02:51.23 | stoned | .nanorc is highly fuxord in my box |
| 02:51.26 | stoned | I love nano |
| 02:51.31 | stoned | from big to small file ediitng |
| 02:51.34 | stoned | coding etc. |
| 02:51.35 | jelly-home | !start an editor war |
| 02:51.36 | dpkg | emacs bites |
| 02:51.37 | stoned | its great man |
| 02:51.40 | stoned | nano is the bomb |
| 02:51.45 | jelly-home | joe ftw |
| 02:51.52 | CaT[tm] | stoned: I've learnt to hate it from the number of times it almost broke config files by default. |
| 02:52.05 | srepfler | what I don't understand is that the above code modifies the path for the normal user and not the superuser |
| 02:52.06 | stoned | CaT[tm]: umm, you probably don't know how to use it |
| 02:52.20 | srepfler | isn't /etc/profile global? |
| 02:52.33 | Superkuh | I don't. |
| 02:52.36 | Vasistha | did y'all hear? the OLPC project made its first release in Uruguay! hurrah!! |
| 02:52.54 | CaT[tm] | stoned: probably the defaults need changing before it becomes useful. |
| 02:53.32 | Vasistha | srepfler: it has to be sourced explicitly in /root/profile |
| 02:53.40 | karsten | stoned: You running dual-head or what? |
| 02:53.57 | stoned | karsten: yessir |
| 02:53.58 | abrotman | Vasistha: it should be sourced already |
| 02:53.59 | srepfler | how is that done? |
| 02:54.03 | stoned | 1600x1200 times two |
| 02:54.07 | stoned | 19" flats |
| 02:54.08 | stoned | side by side |
| 02:54.12 | karsten | stoned: Dig. |
| 02:54.12 | srepfler | sorry, I'm not a full time unix user |
| 02:54.15 | CaT[tm] | stoned: squinty, no? |
| 02:54.21 | stoned | not at all |
| 02:54.28 | stoned | I sit 3 feet away in my recliner |
| 02:54.30 | Vasistha | srepfler: ". /etc/profile" (without the quotes) you can try that at a command prompt to test |
| 02:54.31 | stoned | i see it fine |
| 02:54.42 | karsten | stoned: Got a 24" at work, dual head that with the 1024x768 on my stinkpad. |
| 02:54.54 | stoned | hehe |
| 02:55.00 | stoned | two 24" would be nice |
| 02:55.02 | Vasistha | stoned: recliner!! that's what I'm talkin' about!! I've gotta get me one o' those |
| 02:55.10 | stoned | Vasistha: o yeah man |
| 02:55.22 | stoned | I can just go to sleep with my hand down my pants while I watch pro... movie |
| 02:55.23 | stoned | :D |
| 02:55.33 | Vasistha | I'm so sick of this old chair. It's comfy enough, but after a few hours ... heck, I just wanna be lying down |
| 02:55.46 | srepfler | ok, that is ok for a session, can I make this permanent? |
| 02:55.46 | stoned | wireless keyboard and mice. one side of my recliner holds mouse, and on e side holds keyboard |
| 02:55.52 | stoned | sides are thick and wide |
| 02:55.58 | karsten | srepfler: config file changes in general aren't retroactively applied to current processes unless there's some mechanism for doing so (eg: GNOME's gconf). |
| 02:56.00 | stoned | and you just sink into the recliner like a cloud |
| 02:56.05 | stoned | its sweet man |
| 02:56.12 | Vasistha | srepfler: look in /root/profile and see if it's sourced there, in the same manner |
| 02:56.13 | karsten | srepfler: so you've got to source /etc/profile to have it take effect in a current shell. |
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| 02:56.30 | abrotman | Vasistha: you want at least a . |
| 02:56.42 | srepfler | . /root/profile or /root/.profile ? |
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| 02:56.58 | abrotman | it's either /root/.profile or /root/.bashrc |
| 02:57.09 | Vasistha | srepfler: edit /root/.profile and make sure ". /etc/profile" is in there |
| 02:57.17 | srepfler | ok |
| 02:57.18 | Superkuh | Vasistha: None of those programs are running, but I can't get ps aux or top to go over netcat, so I won't retype them. |
| 02:57.31 | srepfler | thanks, let's hope it works |
| 02:57.32 | abrotman | Vasistha: why would he do that ? |
| 02:58.22 | nzk | So how do I use gedit over ssh? |
| 02:58.29 | Vasistha | abrotman: I believe it's the right thing to do in this case, is it not? |
| 02:58.42 | abrotman | i wouldn't think so |
| 02:58.47 | abrotman | !tell nzk about sshx |
| 02:58.51 | jelly-home | nzk: did that sshx factoid not help |
| 02:58.52 | nzk | I did that |
| 02:59.03 | nzk | the factoid; i did that |
| 02:59.03 | abrotman | then it should work |
| 02:59.05 | Vasistha | abrotman: well, I did initially discourage him from letting root run java |
| 02:59.09 | jelly-home | nzk: so ssh -X to the remote machine, and run gedit some-file |
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| 02:59.29 | abrotman | srepfler: why do you want to run java apps as root ? |
| 03:00.21 | h3h_timo | hey all, i was wondering if anyone could help me with installing ati drivers... particularly configuring the, whenever i do an aticonfig --initial, it gives me an error on reboot, saying fglrx.so cannot be found |
| 03:00.24 | srepfler | because I have already some demons that run as root and I can't change that at this moment |
| 03:00.43 | srepfler | and this update completely changed my system |
| 03:00.56 | srepfler | before java ran quite fine as root |
| 03:00.56 | Vasistha | !tell h3h_timo -about ati |
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| 03:01.24 | srepfler | now I've got services that stopped running and thats not good |
| 03:01.36 | Vasistha | srepfler: are you sure it's related to java? |
| 03:01.43 | abrotman | srepfler: try setting the JAVA_HOME in /etc/profile |
| 03:02.09 | Vasistha | he pastebin'd his /etc/profile - it's there |
| 03:02.10 | srepfler | it's in there |
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| 03:02.59 | h3h_timo | Vasistha, i cant even install those packages |
| 03:03.22 | Vasistha | h3h_timo: what version of debian are you using? |
| 03:03.34 | nzk | It says cannot open display: (null) |
| 03:03.35 | h3h_timo | Vasistha, the newest |
| 03:03.42 | nzk | I have no DE on that computer |
| 03:03.47 | Vasistha | h3h_timo: ...and that would be...? |
| 03:03.53 | h3h_timo | umm... etch? |
| 03:03.55 | Vasistha | h3h_timo: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 03:03.56 | nzk | I just want to edit a file on another computer using ssh on this computer |
| 03:04.17 | h3h_timo | Vasistha, 4.0 |
| 03:04.41 | Vasistha | h3h_timo: so, when you tried to install them, what happened? |
| 03:04.42 | abrotman | srepfler: resource /etc/profile |
| 03:04.55 | h3h_timo | Vasistha, it just doesnt find them |
| 03:04.59 | jelly-home | nzk: if you installed xbase-clients, enabled stuff in sshd_config on the server, and all that jazz, it should work |
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| 03:05.15 | Vasistha | h3h_timo: did you add contrib non-free to your sources.list ? |
| 03:05.24 | jelly-home | nzk: what does "echo $DISPLAY" say on the remote machine? |
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| 03:05.32 | h3h_timo | Vasistha, i dont know is there anywhere i can find a good sources.list ??? |
| 03:05.36 | srepfler | what do you mean by resource /etc/profile? |
| 03:05.41 | nzk | jelly-home, no output |
| 03:05.56 | jelly-home | nzk: then you didn't configure sshx correctly |
| 03:05.56 | Vasistha | h3h_timo: you have one. just add to it so it says at the end of the line: etch main contrib non-free |
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| 03:06.12 | rokra | is there a prob with ddclient? I have the error message WARNING: caught SIGTERM; exiting ? |
| 03:06.22 | h3h_timo | Vasistha, i mean, is there any other sources i should add? |
| 03:06.23 | Superkuh | What does it mean when a blue install screen in aboot turns red? |
| 03:06.24 | nzk | jelly-home, but can't i use ftp or sftp or something to just be able to edit a remote file |
| 03:06.35 | Superkuh | Er, wrong channel I suppose. |
| 03:06.44 | Vasistha | h3h_timo: depends on your needs. you might want to check out the mirror list and find one that's local to you |
| 03:06.55 | jelly-home | nzk: you can use sshfs, but it's alpha quality software |
| 03:07.32 | Vasistha | h3h_timo: for media stuff, there's debian-multimedia ... you can /msg dpkg mirrors (and) /msg dpkg debian-multimedia |
| 03:07.35 | jelly-home | nzk: or you can copy the file locally, edit, and put back |
| 03:07.53 | nzk | Thats way too annoying |
| 03:07.54 | h3h_timo | Vasistha, where exactlyis my sources.list file?? |
| 03:08.05 | Vasistha | !tell h3h_timo -about sources.list |
| 03:08.05 | nzk | !tell nzk about sshfs |
| 03:08.19 | Vasistha | !tell nzk -about msg the bot |
| 03:08.30 | jelly-home | nzk: it's a package. |
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| 03:08.46 | nzk | which computer do i need to install it on |
| 03:09.03 | Vasistha | the one on the left |
| 03:09.05 | jelly-home | nzk: local one. |
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| 03:09.18 | xoz_ | nzk: /etc/init.d/sshd restart in the remote computer |
| 03:09.31 | nzk | xoz, oh...yeah |
| 03:09.58 | nzk | Theres no sshd just ssh |
| 03:10.07 | h3h_timo | Vasistha, that is the list that is in use? |
| 03:10.21 | xoz_ | nzk: restart it |
| 03:10.27 | Vasistha | h3h_timo: yes. however, it needs to be reread with apt-get update |
| 03:10.41 | h3h_timo | ok |
| 03:10.49 | nzk | do i have to login and out |
| 03:11.03 | xoz_ | nzk: nope. |
| 03:11.14 | nzk | That didnt change anything |
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| 03:11.19 | xoz_ | nzk: reestablish ssh -x to the remote |
| 03:11.20 | nzk | because i didnt have to edit any files |
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| 03:11.55 | jelly-home | xoz_, nzk: not ssh -x, ssh -X |
| 03:12.11 | xoz_ | nzk: did you enable forwarding in the remote. and restart ssh there? |
| 03:12.17 | jelly-home | xoz_: ssh -x does exactly the opposite effecdt |
| 03:12.27 | xoz_ | jelly-home: ok |
| 03:13.23 | Yggdrasil | hello, can somone tell me if there is some sort of compatible web cam software under linux ? |
| 03:13.36 | jelly-home | nzk: after you log out, and ssh -X remote again, confirm that it works... echo $DISPLAY should show something like localhost:10 |
| 03:13.44 | xoz_ | -x and -X seems to a stupid option |
| 03:14.03 | Vasistha | Yggdrasil: I think there's quite a bit, but I don't know what it's called myself. You could search pdo for camera or webcam or cam |
| 03:14.13 | Yggdrasil | hmm ok |
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| 03:14.26 | Yggdrasil | ill do it, jsut figured there might be one that everyone but me knew about |
| 03:14.30 | jelly-home | xoz_: not that much, case always matters in unix |
| 03:14.39 | jelly-home | er, Unix(TM) |
| 03:14.53 | Vasistha | Yggdrasil: heh, I'm sure some people here have their preferences... maybe someone will speak up sooner or later |
| 03:15.08 | xoz_ | jelly-home: i know... but for x to be negative of X is quiet not straightforward |
| 03:16.05 | jelly-home | xoz: what about xterm -opt to enable, and xterm +opt to disable an option? :-) |
| 03:16.22 | Vasistha | xoz_: well... it's in widespread use. ctrl-z is undo, ctrl-shift-z is redo. in less, 'n' finds next, 'N' previous. So, there's lots of examples. And it's rather natural once you get used to it |
| 03:16.27 | xoz_ | jelly-home: that makes more sense |
| 03:16.47 | jelly-home | Vasistha: g / G in vi! |
| 03:17.14 | Vasistha | jelly-home: indeed, I'm sure you can think of many vi keys that I don't use since I don't use vi ;) *jab* hehe |
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| 03:17.39 | jelly-home | Vasistha: I don't use it either :-) |
| 03:17.53 | xoz_ | jelly-home: you mean gg vs G |
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| 03:18.32 | xoz_ | Vasistha: oh well, for keyboard... but for option, not very common i think to use caps and nocaps |
| 03:18.42 | jelly-home | xoz_: didn't know it was double g |
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| 03:19.52 | xoz_ | jelly-home: g is goto, so it needs another char to be specific for the location |
| 03:20.26 | Rusty1 | Yggdrasil: http://www.linux.com/howtos/Webcam-HOWTO/index.shtml fwiw |
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| 03:20.38 | xoz_ | +opt vs -opt makes more sense |
| 03:20.56 | jelly-home | xoz_: some commands have too many options to afford only lowercase... start with ls |
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| 03:21.07 | Yggdrasil | thanks |
| 03:21.25 | Vasistha | xoz_: there are a few examples with grep ... H/h, L/l ... it kinda makes sense, really. the more commonly used option is lowercase, and to reverse it you go uppercase. esp. for a util that has a lot of options, it's easier that way |
| 03:21.32 | xoz_ | jelly-home: yes... like ls -l, to negate it like ls -L for width makes no sense |
| 03:21.34 | jelly-home | xoz_: yeah, esp. when + disables, and - enables |
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| 03:22.04 | srepfler | well there's soemthing strange about java 1.6.0 deb release |
| 03:22.40 | srepfler | it's behaviour is different from 1.5 |
| 03:22.40 | Vasistha | *its |
| 03:22.51 | srepfler | I've removed it and put back 1.5 and it works normally |
| 03:23.01 | xoz_ | Vasistha: like ls -a is totally different from ls -A |
| 03:23.03 | abrotman | it is a new version of java |
| 03:23.37 | Vasistha | xoz_: well, not *totally* different ... I mean, I tend to think of them as identical with the exception of the treatment of '.' and '..' |
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| 03:23.53 | srepfler | I think it's more of an issue of how the system variables are setup by the package |
| 03:24.07 | srepfler | not an issue with java per se |
| 03:24.16 | xoz_ | Vasistha: ok ls -c vs ls -C |
| 03:24.30 | xoz_ | Vasistha: this is totally different |
| 03:24.39 | tchmnkyz | hey all, i need to reconfigure a package that is installed on my system (re-run the initial config script... i messed up a part and want to go back... how would one do that? |
| 03:24.49 | jelly-home | xoz_: point is you have to rtfm anyway, and _can't_ assume case. |
| 03:24.54 | srepfler | where are the .deb files stored (is there a package cache)? |
| 03:24.59 | xoz_ | jelly-home: yep |
| 03:25.00 | Vasistha | xoz_: I'm not trying to say that this paradigm is by any means the norm ;) hehe ... there are just quite a few examples |
| 03:25.04 | srepfler | found it |
| 03:25.23 | abrotman | srepfler: thought to ask #java possibly ? |
| 03:25.25 | xoz_ | it should have been standardized |
| 03:25.35 | xoz_ | anyway, we move on |
| 03:25.41 | Vasistha | srepfler: I think by default the package cache gets wiped out on repeat. you can disable that automatic cleaning, if you like |
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| 03:25.50 | jelly-home | srepfler: if you installed with apt/aptitude, /var/cache/apt/archive |
| 03:26.06 | tchmnkyz | anyone? |
| 03:26.09 | xoz_ | nzk: so, is it working? |
| 03:26.25 | nzk | Yeah |
| 03:26.26 | nzk | sorry |
| 03:26.26 | srepfler | in fact I'm there |
| 03:26.27 | jelly-home | tchmnkyz: did it ask questions? |
| 03:26.28 | nzk | i was int eh showe |
| 03:26.31 | tchmnkyz | yea |
| 03:26.32 | nzk | *shower |
| 03:26.33 | nzk | thanks |
| 03:26.34 | tchmnkyz | but not now |
| 03:26.41 | tchmnkyz | i want to go back to those questions |
| 03:26.43 | jelly-home | tchmnkyz: dpkg-reconfigure foo |
| 03:26.43 | Vasistha | s/wipsed out on repeat/wiped out periodically (like on reboot)/ |
| 03:26.52 | Vasistha | damn it. |
| 03:27.19 | tchmnkyz | i tried that it dont work... |
| 03:27.22 | Vasistha | tchmnkyz: dpkg-reconfigure |
| 03:27.24 | jelly-home | Vasistha: it's not. only with explicit {apt-get,aptitude} (auto)?clean |
| 03:28.14 | Vasistha | jelly-home: huh. I have a strong memory of manually disabling it. maybe another distro |
| 03:28.22 | tchmnkyz | [Sun May 13][root@Sati][/etc]$ dpkg-reconfigure smbldap-tools |
| 03:28.22 | tchmnkyz | [Sun May 13][root@Sati][/etc]$ |
| 03:28.27 | tchmnkyz | it does not do it |
| 03:28.34 | jelly-home | Vasistha: probably a helpful one :-) |
| 03:28.36 | Vasistha | tchmnkyz: you'll have to run it as root |
| 03:28.48 | Vasistha | oh, it says you are root |
| 03:28.49 | tchmnkyz | i am as root ignore the prompt |
| 03:28.54 | Vasistha | the '$' prompt threw me |
| 03:28.56 | tchmnkyz | i do that to mess with someone |
| 03:29.05 | Vasistha | you were successful |
| 03:29.24 | srepfler | good night |
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| 03:31.32 | jelly-home | tchmnkyz: use -p argument for dpkg-reconfigure; everything else failing, you can always purge and reinstall |
| 03:31.33 | tchmnkyz | i tried that too |
| 03:31.33 | tchmnkyz | lol |
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| 03:31.35 | Vasistha | tchmnkyz: are you certain that was the package that needed reconfiguring and that it wasn't, e.g., another smb or ldap package? |
| 03:31.36 | jelly-home | tchmnkyz: might it have been some dependency package that asked you those questions, and not the actual pkg. you wanted? |
| 03:31.36 | zeelot | hello |
| 03:31.36 | tchmnkyz | i am getting that idea now |
| 03:31.37 | tchmnkyz | lol |
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| 03:31.37 | Vasistha | great minds think alike? |
| 03:31.38 | Vasistha | or is it just that mechanics think alike? |
| 03:31.42 | jelly-home | sleepy minds think alike |
| 03:32.09 | zeelot | right aftera clean debian install I get Grub error 21 when it reboots after installing...what gives? |
| 03:32.39 | jelly-home | !grub error 21 |
| 03:32.43 | jelly-home | hm |
| 03:33.13 | xoz_ | mr dpkg is dead |
| 03:33.18 | be`o | hi * |
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| 03:34.00 | jelly-home | I've seen that one when I did something stupid |
| 03:34.01 | Vasistha | zeelot: have you googled grub error 21 ? |
| 03:34.01 | be`o | is there any solution with desktop sharing in linux ? |
| 03:34.01 | zeelot | yea something about the drive not being there? but how is that possible |
| 03:34.01 | Vasistha | be`o: could you be more specific? what are you trying to do? |
| 03:34.26 | be`o | Vasistha, I want to allow another user to see what I do on my box |
| 03:34.31 | Vasistha | zeelot: well, have you followed the links to find out what other people found? because their circumstances were probably similar to yours, believe it or not |
| 03:34.36 | jelly-home | be`o: x11vnc? |
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| 03:34.42 | xoz_ | ~grub errors |
| 03:34.46 | apt | extra, extra, read all about it, grub errors is http://linuxselfhelp.com/gnu/grub/html_chapter/grub_13.html |
| 03:35.03 | xoz_ | zeelot: ^ |
| 03:35.05 | zeelot | they has issues trying to install on external media |
| 03:35.10 | zeelot | alright ill look at that |
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| 03:35.30 | be`o | jelly-home, but I want something have nice features like FreeNX |
| 03:35.48 | jelly-home | be`o: I have no idea what nice feature they are |
| 03:35.52 | lepton | be`o vncserver, tightvncserver. each can be easily installed with aptitude or apt-get |
| 03:36.14 | zeelot | Selected disk does not exist |
| 03:36.34 | xoz_ | zeelot: on grub during prompt, type e and edit the partition. it may have used a wrong partition of the disk |
| 03:36.41 | be`o | since we have limited bandwidth and vnc seem not works well |
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| 03:37.06 | zeelot | alright just a second |
| 03:37.11 | Vasistha | be`o: if you have limited bandwidth, sharing your desktop is going to be slow! |
| 03:37.20 | xoz_ | zeelot: remember hd(0,0) means hda1 while hd(1,1) means hdb2 |
| 03:37.35 | Vasistha | be`o: have you tried limiting the color depth? |
| 03:37.37 | jelly-home | be`o: I'm connecting to x11vnc over ssh from my 1024/256 kbps DSL line |
| 03:37.54 | be`o | Vasistha, yes |
| 03:38.41 | jelly-home | be`o: oh, btw, why not just use freenx? |
| 03:38.47 | zeelot | but I couldn't even edit it...this happens right out of the debian install |
| 03:39.14 | xoz_ | zeelot: what do you mean? |
| 03:39.14 | jelly-home | zeelot: do you get to grub menu? |
| 03:39.18 | Vasistha | zeelot: sounds like you're not even getting to the menu |
| 03:39.26 | zeelot | right this is before the menu |
| 03:39.46 | xoz_ | zeelot: then something is wrong. what is your hardware? |
| 03:39.49 | zeelot | boot from debian cd -> installs -> reboots -> error 21 |
| 03:39.50 | jelly-home | zeelot: I _think_ you need to reinstall grub. |
| 03:39.52 | Vasistha | zeelot: which disk did you install debian on? |
| 03:39.53 | xoz_ | zeelot: and is this etch? |
| 03:40.07 | zeelot | yes etch |
| 03:40.40 | zeelot | it's a raid card but it has worked all the other times...this just happened tonight |
| 03:40.48 | zeelot | 3ware 9650 |
| 03:41.01 | smi | When someone is using ftp on my ftp server, I'd like hide everything else but the users own home folder, is that possible ? |
| 03:41.07 | xoz_ | zeelot: no special things like lvm? separate /boot partition, xfs filesystem? |
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| 03:41.15 | zeelot | nope |
| 03:41.53 | Vasistha | smi: I'm pretty sure it is possible. I'm also pretty sure the ftpd we recommend in here is vsftpd |
| 03:42.02 | zeelot | xoz: I made a 40 gig that I let it auto setup as / and a 700 gig partition for my things |
| 03:42.03 | xoz_ | zeelot: try lilo for raid. im not sure though if it will work. |
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| 03:42.14 | fdczin | HostHP:~# mysql -u root -p Enter password: ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/tmp/mysql.sock' (2) |
| 03:42.54 | zeelot | can I select lilo from anywhere during the debian install? |
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| 03:43.12 | zeelot | it seems to do grub by itself |
| 03:43.54 | xoz_ | zeelot: you can do to alt-f2 and install or enable lilo before reboot |
| 03:44.10 | zeelot | alright thanks |
| 03:44.20 | xoz_ | zeelot: and check the bootparam of installer. |
| 03:44.55 | jelly-home | fdczin: that's a bit suspicious. Debian keeps the mysql-server socket in /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock |
| 03:45.15 | jelly-home | fdczin: not /tmp/mysql.sock |
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| 03:45.25 | xoz_ | unless he is not running debian |
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| 03:46.20 | jelly-home | xoz_: sure he is, why else would he come here? :-) |
| 03:46.38 | xoz_ | jelly-home: yep. i stand corrected :) |
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| 03:50.14 | jelly-home | xoz_, zeelot: that's a nice hw raid controller, lilo's ability to handle softraid1 won't help much |
| 03:51.43 | xoz | jelly-home: hw problem maybe? |
| 03:52.23 | zeelot | hope not o.O |
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| 03:57.02 | jelly-home | xoz: don't think so, maybe a mixup in d-i |
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| 03:58.28 | jelly-home | xoz: I've seen that error when I installed grub with messed up devices.map (removed one disk after setting up grub), rerunning grub-install helped |
| 03:59.17 | jelly-home | xoz: it wasn't a clean install though, I was transferring a setup to a bigger disk |
| 03:59.32 | xoz | jelly-home: yep. one possibility is messed up device map |
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| 03:59.51 | unlink | how do i get hald running? |
| 04:00.09 | jelly-home | xoz: having a cd or a floppy with grub handy would help |
| 04:00.49 | zeelot | transfering my os to larger drive actually went smoothly |
| 04:01.06 | xoz | Zeelot: ok |
| 04:01.22 | zeelot | so im a little confused =P |
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| 04:01.42 | xoz | Zeelot: you may have a flaky hw... |
| 04:01.50 | jelly-home | zeelot: I'd try this: boot the install cd in rescue mode, go to a free console, mount your root on eg. /target and proc on /target/proc, chroot to it and rub grub-install again |
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| 04:03.42 | zeelot | jelly-home: alright |
| 04:03.44 | unlink | gnome-volume-manager is complaining that hal isn't running. yet i don't see any init scripts which are supposed to bring up hal. |
| 04:03.46 | xoz | it may be easier to pass root=/dev/<device> to use it instead of chroot. |
| 04:04.11 | xoz | pass it in kernel during boot |
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| 04:05.13 | be`o | jelly-home, since I want both of us can share the same desktop |
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| 04:06.29 | jelly-home | be`o: ah, I thought freenx could do that |
| 04:10.05 | donaldo | anyone know why i'm getting these kinds of graphical glitches from curses programs in Etch? http://metascape.afraid.org:13666/~donny/2007-05-13-170312_1024x768_scrot.png |
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| 04:11.22 | donaldo | i've checked my term environ, tried multiple terminals implementing specs rxvt and vt220 |
| 04:11.33 | be`o | jelly-home, http://www.nomachine.com/fr/view.php?id=FR12D01567 |
| 04:12.02 | xoz | donaldo: change your font? |
| 04:12.24 | jelly-home | be`o: I have no experience with nx, sorry |
| 04:12.25 | donaldo | xoz: well this didn't happen with Sarge, i just installed Etch and it has begun happening |
| 04:12.28 | xoz | donaldo: or try another term program like rxvt or xterm |
| 04:12.45 | donaldo | xoz: i've tried several terminals, i'd much rather fix the problem at the source |
| 04:13.08 | xoz | donaldo: something with your char config like did you specify utf-something? |
| 04:13.14 | xoz | locales? |
| 04:13.20 | donaldo | hmm, i should try the "Linux" term spec by logging in remotely from the virtual console on this machine, brb one sec.. |
| 04:13.49 | jelly-home | be`o: what I do is: on the local session side, run "x11vnc -display :0 -rfbauth .vnc/passwd -localhost", on the side of the remote client, an ssh session with a tunnel for vnc, so that vnc goes encrypted and compressed thru the ssh tunnel: "ssh -XC -L 5900:localhost:5900 your-machine", and start a vnc client on :0 |
| 04:14.46 | donaldo | yep, looks terrible there too. xoz: someone told me it didn't seem like a locale problem (although that's what i thought at first since i conceivably might have entered the wrong info at installation) i suppose i should try dpkg-reconfigure whatever and try to find a setting that works |
| 04:15.37 | donaldo | i'm trying dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
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| 04:16.35 | donaldo | this seems to ask me for a keymap, i think this is more of a character encoding problem |
| 04:16.46 | jelly-home | be`o: this yield a (barely) acceptable session with 256 colors on my 1mbps DSL. 24bit depth is too slow. |
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| 04:17.39 | xoz | donaldo: yeah. in my case, i simply use rxvt -fn <font> |
| 04:18.42 | donaldo | xoz: i use aterm which is based off of rxvt, and i haven't changed my font from the "6x10" raster font in ages |
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| 04:20.20 | xoz | donaldo: are you sure it is still the same font? it may have changed. you can force it to use that font instead of relying on dpkg-reconfigure which is overkill for that issue. |
| 04:20.34 | donaldo | xoz: i really don't think this is a font problem. my fonts haven't been changed. it's clearly that the terminal is not associating the same character stream with various line-drawing characters (which as i understand it are not always supplied by fonts since many special "drawing"-type characters use more space (generally one more row and one more column) than one character is usually accorded) as the ncurses in the my new Etch |
| 04:20.36 | donaldo | installation is |
| 04:21.26 | xoz | but having [] is like just failing to map the correct character. |
| 04:21.45 | xoz | donaldo: try -fn 6x10 and see what happens |
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| 04:22.42 | donaldo | xoz: but you'll notice there's also a lower-case "a" with an accent grave over it just before each sequence of "[]" type characters. the "[]" type characters are NOT being properly mapped. but they were never meant to be. they are part of a longer escape sequence which generates various "drawing"-type characters for the terminal. |
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| 04:22.50 | donaldo | xoz: ok i'll try that |
| 04:23.17 | donaldo | wait i'm already using that font |
| 04:23.23 | donaldo | are you sure that's what you meant? |
| 04:23.44 | xoz | donaldo: or try another font |
| 04:24.24 | donaldo | how many would you like me to try? :\ i've tried a few they all show the same problem. i really don't think it has anything to do with my font. |
| 04:24.39 | donaldo | as i explained the a-grave character precedes all instances of the "[]" type character |
| 04:24.57 | xoz | donaldo: what about another term like rxvt? it maybe aterm issue. |
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| 04:25.25 | xoz | donaldo: if rxvt -fn 6x10 works, i think you should blame aterm. |
| 04:25.32 | donaldo | xoz: aterm afaik has not modified the actual terminal-emulation of the program it spawned from, which is rxvt. but i have tried other terminals, and they reproduce the same result. |
| 04:25.49 | xoz | donaldo: echo $TERM? |
| 04:25.54 | donaldo | rxvt |
| 04:25.58 | donaldo | when using aterm anyhow |
| 04:26.04 | xoz | donaldo: try linux |
| 04:26.11 | donaldo | ok |
| 04:26.13 | donaldo | capital L? |
| 04:26.16 | xoz | or xterm |
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| 04:26.21 | xoz | no, small |
| 04:27.05 | donaldo | even worse |
| 04:27.26 | donaldo | xterm provided the same behavior as rxvt |
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| 04:27.53 | donaldo | i ought to have just given you a login to try it out for yourself, would have saved some time ;) |
| 04:28.38 | xoz | donaldo: goto console. it should work, right? |
| 04:28.50 | donaldo | xoz: excuse me? i don't understand what you mean |
| 04:29.09 | xoz | donaldo: alt-f1 get out from windows |
| 04:29.17 | xoz | ctrl-alt-f1 |
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| 04:29.42 | donaldo | i just tried this a minute ago, i mentioned it. i get identical behavior. |
| 04:30.12 | donaldo | except from the actual system producing the problems. when i login locally this problem does not happen. |
| 04:30.32 | xoz | donaldo: you mean you do ssh? or telnet? |
| 04:31.23 | donaldo | when logging in locally? i mean walking up to the machine which, for the time being, has a CRT and keyboard, and login from the text-mode console. |
| 04:31.37 | donaldo | the host in question has no xwindows installation |
| 04:32.01 | xoz | donaldo: that is what i mean with ctrl+alt+f1 |
| 04:32.33 | Gnea | donaldo: hrm, that's more likely a font issue - what font are you using? |
| 04:32.52 | donaldo | xoz: i know, but i assumed you meant to try that from my client machine. i have tried it at my client machine, with the same poor results. but as i have said multiple times, logging in locally at the server does not produce these problems. |
| 04:32.55 | Gnea | donaldo: or it could be UTF-8 |
| 04:33.11 | donaldo | Gnea: the a-grave does strike me as being UTF-8ish |
| 04:33.39 | Gnea | donaldo: a-grave? what does that mean? |
| 04:33.40 | donaldo | i don't think aterm supports unicode :( |
| 04:33.46 | xoz | donaldo: both server and client use etch? |
| 04:33.53 | donaldo | Gnea: a lowercase letter "a" with an accent grave (like `) |
| 04:34.01 | Gnea | oh ok |
| 04:34.01 | donaldo | xoz: no the client is sarge |
| 04:34.20 | xoz | donaldo: and the server is what? |
| 04:34.25 | donaldo | etch |
| 04:34.34 | donaldo | the server used to be sarge |
| 04:34.48 | donaldo | i did a clean installation from scratch (new machine) |
| 04:35.16 | donaldo | when it was sarge i didn't have this problem.. but obviously more things have changed than just the debian revision |
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| 04:35.27 | donaldo | i can't imagine how this could be related to the machine though |
| 04:35.35 | donaldo | so i assume it must be some kind of change in etch |
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| 04:35.59 | Gnea | donaldo: ok, i'm on sid and i see the same issue even with an ansi font loaded...hrm |
| 04:36.42 | xoz | donaldo: aptitude locally to your machine has the same problem? |
| 04:36.51 | xoz | client machine |
| 04:37.22 | donaldo | xoz: i have not had this problem running any curses program locally on either my client machine nor locally on the server. |
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| 04:37.36 | piztek3 | can anyone help me get compiz working |
| 04:37.49 | piztek3 | I've installed all the packages |
| 04:37.49 | donaldo | piztek3: move on up to beryl |
| 04:38.01 | Gnea | !compiz |
| 04:38.01 | dpkg | compiz is probably a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on Xgl and AIGLX. It is now in Debian and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server.. Check http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz |
| 04:38.06 | xoz | donaldo: then, sarge vs etch version then |
| 04:38.20 | donaldo | xoz: i don't understand what you mean |
| 04:38.25 | piztek3 | donaldo how do i get beryl working after installing the packages |
| 04:38.37 | Gnea | xoz: you're way off base - it doesn't matter what branch |
| 04:38.39 | xoz | donaldo: can you try another machine? |
| 04:38.50 | Gnea | xoz: i get the same problem in sid. |
| 04:39.01 | donaldo | Gnea: why is compiz in debian and not beryl? beryl is not only more advanced, but it's all GPL. i think compiz is licensed a little differently |
| 04:39.14 | Gnea | !beryl |
| 04:39.15 | dpkg | beryl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager), HOWTO and links to package repositories are here: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Debian |
| 04:39.27 | Gnea | donaldo: i don't know what you're talking about. |
| 04:39.33 | piztek3 | okay but how do i get compiz working? |
| 04:39.44 | Gnea | piztek3: read the URL. |
| 04:39.56 | donaldo | Gnea: your invocation of the Compiz definition from the dpkg bot said that Compiz was in Debian |
| 04:40.05 | piztek3 | Gnea: i have compiz not beryl |
| 04:40.15 | donaldo | piztek3: beryl is significantly better |
| 04:40.23 | piztek3 | but not in repos |
| 04:40.29 | Gnea | donaldo: it also provides a URL to obtain further information. |
| 04:40.34 | donaldo | fair enough |
| 04:40.35 | piztek3 | i'm on amd64 |
| 04:40.42 | piztek3 | how can i get it |
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| 04:41.11 | xoz | donaldo: what about vnc? |
| 04:41.26 | Gnea | !amd64 |
| 04:41.26 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64. for flash on amd64, ask me about ... |
| 04:41.28 | donaldo | xoz: for what purpose? |
| 04:41.34 | xoz | donaldo: not really a solution though. |
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| 04:42.14 | Gnea | piztek3: we don't do amd64 here, but dpkg just told you the channel that does. you'll need to actually read those websites, since they have all of the documentation to help you get it up and running, at least somewhat |
| 04:42.34 | piztek3 | well can you help me with compiz? |
| 04:42.39 | xoz | donaldo: you goto console of your local machine and ssh there to server instead of using aterm. |
| 04:42.55 | donaldo | xoz: good thinking |
| 04:43.00 | donaldo | i'm thinking my problem is that Etch may have moved on to bigger and better character encoding schemes, abandoning the use of dated escape-sequences in favor of unicde |
| 04:43.02 | piztek3 | Gnea: what about compiz? |
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| 04:43.15 | Gnea | piztek3: i'm not going to tell you again. |
| 04:43.45 | xoz | donaldo: possibly. |
| 04:43.51 | Gnea | donaldo: ok, i kind of figured it out |
| 04:43.52 | donaldo | xoz: still draws fine |
| 04:44.05 | Gnea | donaldo: did you say you're using aterm or xterm? |
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| 04:44.38 | donaldo | Gnea: aterm. but i've also tried other terminals, the problem is identical. |
| 04:44.48 | Gnea | donaldo: it seems fine with xterm |
| 04:45.15 | donaldo | yeah i think xterm does support unicode |
| 04:45.20 | Gnea | donaldo: are you running aptitude as user, root or through sudo? |
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| 04:46.22 | donaldo | Gnea: aptitude is not the only program which causes the problem, it seems to be any curses program which draws special characters (including the "underline" feature of many terminal emulators) but i've run it as both root and non-root users, but not through sudo |
| 04:46.49 | donaldo | Gnea: for instance the "dialog" menu system of dpkg-reconfigure also has lots of problems |
| 04:47.57 | donaldo | i'll install xterm and try that |
| 04:48.44 | donaldo | ugh, it requires a few packages i haven't dealt with |
| 04:48.57 | donaldo | oh, only one. the other is just suggested. |
| 04:49.11 | Gnea | donaldo: yes, that's a known problem with many terminals, since they were originally coded back in the day when UTF-8 was till a pipedream. Since then, xterm has kept up with it, but aterm and Eterm have issues. have you tried running it in screen? |
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| 04:49.40 | donaldo | Gnea: no i haven't. would i get the same problem? or is screen actually maintained these days? |
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| 04:51.03 | dondelelcaro | screen has been maintained continously |
| 04:51.24 | dondelelcaro | it's fairly mature and feature complete, but it is still being worked on |
| 04:51.35 | Gnea | donaldo: screen is nicely maintained and is fully UTF-8 compliant, although you will probably need to set a few things in .screenrc |
| 04:51.38 | donaldo | dondelelcaro: yeah i suppose i shouldn't be surprised, it's "detach" ability is kind of a requirement a lot of the time. |
| 04:52.11 | donaldo | i'm just holding out for the day i find a vim plugin that lets vim do the same things screen does ;) |
| 04:52.14 | jelly-home | donaldo: rxvt-unicode is also utf-8 capable |
| 04:52.33 | donaldo | jelly-home: is that package in the debian repository? |
| 04:52.37 | cafuego | donaldo: You can write a file, close vim, and then reopen the file with vim later! |
| 04:52.55 | Gnea | damnit, every dvd player except for mplayer is playing this dvd back wrong |
| 04:53.08 | Gnea | and mplayer won't play the titles in proper sequence |
| 04:53.14 | donaldo | cafuego: haha, well for that matter i can also use vim sessions, but rather i was referring to the ability to split my display into multiple windows. |
| 04:53.25 | jelly-home | donaldo: yes. there are two builds, one with truetype support and one without. I prefer rxvt-unicode-lite, it's much faster |
| 04:53.30 | Gnea | ogle, totem and xine all playback garbled video - audio is fine, though |
| 04:53.40 | donaldo | jelly-home: amen |
| 04:53.56 | cafuego | donaldo: Um, vim does that |
| 04:54.13 | donaldo | jelly-home: is that in Sid? this new unicode-capable aterm? |
| 04:54.15 | cafuego | donaldo: ... on the same screen, but still. |
| 04:54.25 | Gnea | vlc crashes and burns, won't even run... argh |
| 04:54.33 | jelly-home | donaldo: it's replaced aterm for me -- it has all the transparency features (a bit different settings), plus utf-8 |
| 04:54.36 | donaldo | cafuego: i don't mean just documents. i just mean i'd like a vim plugin that allows me to run a shell (or any program) in a document window. |
| 04:54.45 | jelly-home | donaldo: it's in stable too |
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| 04:55.11 | cafuego | donaldo: :!bash |
| 04:55.15 | jelly-home | !info rxvt-unicode-lite stable |
| 04:55.22 | dpkg | rxvt-unicode-lite: (RXVT-like terminal emulator with basic Unicode support), section x11, is optional. Version: 7.9-2 (etch), Packaged size: 1028 kB, Installed size: 2250 kB |
| 04:55.23 | cafuego | donaldo: oogly, but it doe work ;-) |
| 04:55.27 | donaldo | jelly: i tend to stay away from transparency unless i'm going the whole distance and installing a hardware-accelerated compositer like compiz or beryl. i never trust the alpha blending to be fast enough... |
| 04:56.12 | donaldo | cafuego: that doesn't run it in a document window though, it just spawns a child process and vim waits until it dies to resume functioning |
| 04:56.33 | donaldo | jelly-home: huh.. i can't find it... OH because this is sarge, i'm retarded... |
| 04:56.36 | DawnLight | can anyone help me get clean urls in apache2? i'm trying to configure it, but alas! |
| 04:56.36 | jelly-home | donaldo: aterm is IME fast enough, this one is comparable. (it supports ARGB style true alpha channels of compiz/emerald) |
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| 04:56.56 | jelly-home | s/emerald/beryl/ |
| 04:57.56 | donaldo | wow, xterm didn't work either |
| 04:58.07 | donaldo | >:( |
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| 04:58.33 | victori | not sure what happened |
| 04:58.49 | victori | updated to the newest unstable/kernel and legacy glx nvidia drvers |
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| 04:59.06 | victori | now XORG won't start, nvidia_drv.o is in modules/drivers |
| 04:59.06 | jelly-home | donaldo: env LANG=en_US.UTF-8 xterm -u8 |
| 04:59.10 | victori | says it can't find it |
| 04:59.13 | victori | what hell? |
| 04:59.37 | jelly-home | donaldo: (or whatever UTF-8 locale you have installed) |
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| 05:00.25 | donaldo | that is indeed the locale i have set, jelly-home, but even with those options xterm still renders improperly... and im noticing now that isn't a grave, it's that... pointy thing |
| 05:01.36 | donaldo | has anyone else noticed that the samba-common package contains a gdbcommands file? |
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| 05:07.25 | nvz | donaldo: oh? and what is it for :P |
| 05:08.28 | donaldo | apparently the file found its way into ubuntu, and though it doesn't seem to cause problems in Debian, it seems to be messing some Ubuntu users' samba servers |
| 05:08.30 | nvz | victori: you just installed the nvidia drivers? |
| 05:08.51 | nvz | donaldo: heh |
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| 05:09.45 | nvz | donaldo: that's one of the topics that doesnt appear in our why debian? document |
| 05:09.57 | nvz | but its still funny |
| 05:10.02 | donaldo | heh |
| 05:11.12 | donaldo | i think there's a little tension between ubuntu and debian, maybe best not to put ideas like that out there -- after all ubuntu might just fire back that it's debian's fault the file was there to begin with :\ |
| 05:11.51 | nvz | donaldo: heh, yeah whatever.. its their fault for not doing all the work themselves |
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| 05:12.16 | trollboy | how big is a minimum debian install with apt, shell and that's about it? |
| 05:12.30 | nvz | donaldo: the live distros are good but its too much stress for us little soldiers who arent directly affiliated but are dedicated to supporting debian |
| 05:12.31 | trollboy | how much hdd space? |
| 05:12.54 | donaldo | nvz: eh, i think it's kind of a good development plan. if there are linux distributions out there that cater to those with technical aptitudes, why not build a distribution that isn't meant to cater to such people on top of one of those distributions? |
| 05:13.16 | donaldo | nvz: yeah, i hear that |
| 05:13.17 | weasel00 | trollboy - the net-install iso is about 160 i believe |
| 05:13.24 | nvz | donaldo: the live distros take debian and give it wider exposure while taking seperate directions on just how that should be done.. which gives us valuable feedback and ideas on how to direct debian |
| 05:13.35 | trollboy | 160mb? |
| 05:14.03 | nvz | donaldo: its just too much for a humble little group like the debian community to try and spread their efforts that far |
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| 05:14.14 | weasel00 | yeah... i know thats not the minimun.. i just know that number from the cd i just made friday |
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| 05:14.34 | CaT[tm] | troll: one sec |
| 05:14.42 | trollboy | does anyone know the min? |
| 05:14.50 | trollboy | danke |
| 05:15.06 | trollboy | I'm building something with itx and cf card hd's |
| 05:15.11 | donaldo | trollboy: the size of the net install CD does not reflect the size of a linux system with the debian base system installed |
| 05:15.34 | donaldo | trollboy: you might want to try a system designed for a small storage capacity on your target installation media then |
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| 05:15.51 | trollboy | I know of DamnSmall Linux |
| 05:16.00 | trollboy | but was just hoping to rock the debian |
| 05:16.00 | CaT[tm] | troll: 269M foetus/ |
| 05:16.24 | CaT[tm] | troll: this includes /var |
| 05:16.24 | CaT[tm] | troll: subtract 91M for /var |
| 05:16.24 | CaT[tm] | troll: that has ssh, sshd and rsync aswell :) so there's a few meg :) |
| 05:16.42 | nvz | its benefit to debian that tools like dpkg, apt, and boot-cd has allowed so many to spinoff in different directions.. but in places like this is where the negitive effects are seen the most.. when we are holding the burden of trying to understand the new bugs introduced into our sanitary cycle |
| 05:17.17 | bbelt16ag | so peeps who has played with sabayon?? |
| 05:17.40 | bbelt16ag | since i am getting annoyed with debian atm. something is screwing up |
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| 05:18.34 | nvz | its like people using debian, but mixing between the branches.. they are finding various anomalies in our packages that we never really intended to work together in the first place, are wasting resources by filing bugs, and pestering volenteer support on irc with their complex problems |
| 05:18.36 | amphi | !blame debian |
| 05:18.43 | donaldo | bbelt16ag: i used sabayon once. neither glx nor aiglx worked. but i heard it has come a long way since then. |
| 05:18.43 | amphi | heh |
| 05:18.49 | donaldo | bbelt16ag: for what it's worth i was trying it on a dell inspiron |
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| 05:19.09 | hark | !info sabayon |
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| 05:19.15 | dpkg | sabayon: (system administration tool to manage GNOME desktop settings), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.18.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 343 kB, Installed size: 2352 kB |
| 05:19.18 | hark | ;) |
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| 05:20.37 | donaldo | what i find interesting is that i don't know where ubuntu users get the impression that debian support structures are a good place to get support for ubuntu |
| 05:20.37 | bbelt16ag | well what i will prolly end up doing when i have the time slot for it is do a dual install and use the same /home directory so i can get my customizations and see which works better first |
| 05:20.37 | bbelt16ag | for me |
| 05:20.37 | bbelt16ag | aye donaldo |
| 05:20.37 | weasel00 | im suprised there isnt an oscommerce pkg for debian in apt |
| 05:20.37 | bbelt16ag | why they come here i dunno . |
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| 05:21.13 | weasel00 | donaldo - perhaps because the ubuntu support has been found...lacking? |
| 05:21.26 | bbelt16ag | i cant seem to figure out the bottle neck on why my pc is sluggish and it was anything but on the live cd.. |
| 05:21.30 | bbelt16ag | hehe |
| 05:21.33 | donaldo | heh, yeah i suppose that is bound to happen |
| 05:21.58 | donaldo | bbelt16ag: maybe you have a really slow hard drive and a super-fast optical drive? :P |
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| 05:22.34 | shogunx | a small monkey with a chisel and stone tablets carving out 0's and 1's |
| 05:22.37 | bbelt16ag | i doubt that.. |
| 05:22.44 | bbelt16ag | there both pata ide |
| 05:22.49 | donaldo | i actually had this idea for an dual-actuation optical drive that could break the current speed barrier on existing optical media.. but it's not my field even remotely, i have no way to implement it or formalize it for patent |
| 05:23.40 | xoz | what makes debian more proficient in the long run is the fact that the system does not provide a false sense of security like in ubuntu. the fact that the installer is not full gui means that it is not for too casual users. |
| 05:23.54 | xoz | *debian users* |
| 05:24.00 | bbelt16ag | i agree xoz |
| 05:24.26 | donaldo | bbelt16ag: [p]ata ide is a very old bus. it is stille extremely capable, but when it originally hit the market, the bus itself was MUCH faster than the drives. for all i know your drives from from the early 90s :P |
| 05:24.26 | bbelt16ag | i used mepis at first and then i switched to debian and went hardcore.. well as hard core as a ditzy blonde gal can be i suppose |
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| 05:24.42 | bbelt16ag | hmm |
| 05:24.45 | bbelt16ag | coourld be donaldo |
| 05:24.47 | bbelt16ag | could |
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| 05:24.59 | bbelt16ag | i know some of these drives were in my old box. |
| 05:25.06 | xoz | slakware is easy to install |
| 05:25.13 | bbelt16ag | how about gentoo? |
| 05:25.15 | donaldo | bbelt16ag: at any rate, you could run some benchmarks on your drives. *shrugs* |
| 05:25.15 | bbelt16ag | hehe |
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| 05:25.44 | weasel00 | start counting sectors to install openbsd... :) |
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| 05:25.46 | DawnLight | question about apache2: what can i do to disable multiviews altogether? how do i reckognize these things in the configurations? |
| 05:25.54 | xoz | weasel00: hehe |
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| 05:26.43 | donaldo | DawnLight: have you tried #apache? |
| 05:27.05 | dondelelcaro | DawnLight: why do you want to do that? |
| 05:27.12 | weasel00 | xoz : fried a 20gig messing up the count.. the drive reads as a 1+TB drive now.. i have a twenty dollar bill taped to it for anyone who can fix it lol |
| 05:27.35 | donaldo | weasel00: whoa what kind of drive was this? |
| 05:28.03 | weasel00 | donaldo - nothing special 20 gig seagate |
| 05:28.21 | donaldo | weasel00: you know a lot of drives out there have their capacity set below what its real capacity is -- it would be really nice to know how to convince it a hard drive it had some arbitrary capacity of one's choosing |
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| 05:28.35 | DawnLight | don*: i've just figured it out. thanks! |
| 05:29.10 | donaldo | weasel00: i have two maxtors here (weren't they acquired by seagate recently?) which reportedly have a capacity of 200GB, but their firmware won't let you use more than 160GB (and moreover, will only report 160GB of storage capacity) |
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| 05:29.44 | nas1 | where can i get a already build java package for itch? |
| 05:29.45 | donaldo | donstar.. i have become an in-dash navigational console |
| 05:29.59 | weasel00 | donaldo - check for a firmware update for the drive, drive loader soft, mobo firmware? |
| 05:30.20 | donaldo | nas1: Burt's Bees makes an all-natural Columbian Anti-Itch Lotion, is that what you want? |
| 05:30.59 | nvz | donaldo: heh |
| 05:31.01 | donaldo | weasel00: nah i haven't bothered to check, i don't really have the time to search too much. |
| 05:31.03 | nvz | !java |
| 05:31.03 | dpkg | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in etch/sid in non-free. Ask me about <install java>. ask me about <non-free> |
| 05:31.46 | naught101 | sendmail vs. post fix. what are people's preferences? |
| 05:32.07 | weasel00 | older boards need an update.. my fastest mobo was a first gen with sata.. damn thing doesnt support optical sata drives.. talk about being upset lol |
| 05:32.13 | xoz | !start an MTA war |
| 05:32.13 | dpkg | courier sucks |
| 05:32.28 | CaT[tm] | naught: exim4 :) |
| 05:32.30 | sandman | What should I on the other system after doing a deboostrap --foreign? |
| 05:32.36 | bbelt16ag | oh no donaldo... please tell me no |
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| 05:32.45 | sandman | Just run the debootstrap script under debootstrap/? |
| 05:32.54 | donaldo | nas1: in case a language- or cultural-barrier has obscured this from you: i was kidding about the anti-itch lotion. what java package do you want specifically? do you want to develop java? or run java applications? |
| 05:32.55 | naught101 | hrmm |
| 05:32.55 | bbelt16ag | i love maxtor they cant be gobbled up by evil seagate :( |
| 05:33.31 | weasel00 | west digital for me... |
| 05:33.35 | nas1 | run java applications |
| 05:33.36 | donaldo | bbelt16ag: i'm pretty sure they have |
| 05:33.43 | shogunx | bbelt16ag why is seagate evil in your opinion? |
| 05:33.53 | nvz | donaldo: I don't see the package for it in my list even though dpkg says its in etch non-free |
| 05:33.59 | donaldo | bbelt16ag: check out maxtor.com |
| 05:34.09 | donaldo | bbelt16ag: the <title> of the page is "Seagate Acquired Maxtor" |
| 05:34.31 | shogunx | i guess they wanted a low end line, eh? |
| 05:34.58 | donaldo | shogunx: i think it was more just general anti-competitive enterprise consolidation |
| 05:35.05 | weasel00 | quantum fire* series were fast |
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| 05:35.44 | shogunx | donaldo oh, the old "corner the $FOO market," eh? |
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| 05:35.51 | donaldo | what would the world be like if companies actually had to compete for business... *dreams* |
| 05:35.58 | intruder | weasel00: fire series ? was there anything else than fireballs ? |
| 05:36.02 | shogunx | solid state storage... now thats pretty fast. |
| 05:36.28 | bbelt16ag | that sucks |
| 05:36.31 | weasel00 | intruder : i wanna say there was something else before they got bought and lost many of the models |
| 05:36.33 | shogunx | remember the quantum bigfoot drives? |
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| 05:36.43 | weasel00 | shogunx *cheer |
| 05:36.44 | bbelt16ag | maxtor was the best now seagate it gonna destroy the only hard drive i would ever buy. |
| 05:36.53 | bbelt16ag | now what should i do? buy up all the old ones? |
| 05:37.10 | bbelt16ag | i have drives that hav survived 10 years of constant use. |
| 05:37.15 | Nielsen | shogunx: yeah, we got a bigfoot at the office, taking up space and looking pretty |
| 05:37.23 | donaldo | trollboy: how fast is CF readtime anyway? i've always wondered about installing static data to some kind of flash memory |
| 05:38.12 | weasel00 | 16gig corsair flash drives for 144.. just an FYI =) |
| 05:38.13 | donaldo | bbelt16ag: don't worry, you'll store all your files on google in a year or two anyway ;) |
| 05:38.13 | bbelt16ag | like heck i am donaldo |
| 05:38.13 | weasel00 | donaldo : laugh |
| 05:38.20 | bbelt16ag | i dont trust google that much, |
| 05:38.31 | shogunx | donaldo i use a flash drive in a 2.5" ata form factor in my ltsp servers for the os only. it smokes. |
| 05:38.37 | bbelt16ag | no no i will store it on some zombie network somewhere.. |
| 05:38.53 | Gnea | bbelt16ag: i've seen and heard more maxtor drives fail than WD or Seagate |
| 05:38.54 | trollboy | the dsl guys are running it off thumbdrives |
| 05:38.58 | trollboy | cf4 = 133MB/sec |
| 05:39.06 | donaldo | bbelt16ag: well if you wait long enough the fed will burn all your non-DRM machines and google (*cough*cia*cough*) will have copied and indexed all your files anyway |
| 05:39.09 | nvz | thats pretty cool I hadn't realized all the sun-java5-* packages in etch |
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| 05:39.21 | Gnea | bbelt16ag: it's possible that all of your maxtor drives had made it, but then that would put you in a thin-minority |
| 05:39.25 | nvz | I might just remove my java-package'd one and install those |
| 05:39.48 | nas1 | thank |
| 05:39.55 | donaldo | trollboy: what's a good PCI card with CF slots for linux these days? |
| 05:40.00 | weasel00 | replace all your maxtor drives with solid state next year =) |
| 05:40.05 | bbelt16ag | well in my ex0perience, never had one fail that was not terribly old. |
| 05:40.11 | trollboy | donaldo: just get an ide - cf converter |
| 05:40.22 | trollboy | they're about like those 3.5" to 2.5" hdd converters |
| 05:40.30 | Gnea | bbelt16ag: what's the oldest maxtor drive that you've had? |
| 05:40.35 | bbelt16ag | these are working fine now i got a 40 gig and a 120 |
| 05:40.36 | Gnea | bbelt16ag: and how old is it? |
| 05:40.38 | nvz | What's up Gnea, I took a nap I don't have my cranky pants on anymore :P |
| 05:40.43 | bbelt16ag | and now two sata 300 gig |
| 05:40.59 | bbelt16ag | not sure. |
| 05:41.00 | Gnea | nvz: heh, not much, went and did some laundry |
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| 05:41.14 | bbelt16ag | its been around since atleast 2002 |
| 05:41.23 | donaldo | nas1: sorry i didn't see your response. if you want to run java applications there are a number of free java virtual machines in the debian repository for you to choose from. just run aptitude and look around for java if you want. |
| 05:41.23 | Gnea | 5 years? |
| 05:41.26 | bbelt16ag | running pretty much non stop |
| 05:41.27 | nvz | Gnea: yeah I wish I could just dispose of my clothes.. and get new ones |
| 05:41.36 | Gnea | bbelt16ag: that's indeed VERY rare. |
| 05:41.48 | nvz | Gnea: but I'm just lazy I guess.. I dream of paving my yard so all I gotta do is hose it off.. so.. |
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| 05:41.57 | donaldo | trollboy: ha, i'll have to buy a PCI card with more another IDE controller first :( |
| 05:42.05 | trollboy | Fair enough |
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| 05:42.16 | trollboy | I'm building something dedicated |
| 05:42.18 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:42.20 | donaldo | more another... supplementary.. aditional.. |
| 05:42.29 | trollboy | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820171091 <-- sexy |
| 05:42.35 | trollboy | I'm only rocking a 2GB now |
| 05:42.37 | bbelt16ag | well what i want is a hive of linux pcs. blade servers from ceriling to floor. |
| 05:42.41 | Gnea | nvz: just get some river rock or volcano cinders, dig up the grass and dump it all there |
| 05:42.45 | nvz | donaldo: I pointed him to sun-java5-jre and sun-java5-plugin already now that I realized they were in etch/non-free |
| 05:42.53 | bbelt16ag | and some nice plasma displays and i will just drool in my over stuffed chair.. |
| 05:43.03 | donaldo | bbelt16ag: you know i want the same thing! |
| 05:43.12 | trollboy | who doesn't? |
| 05:43.14 | donaldo | bbelt16ag: but instead of computers: sex |
| 05:43.17 | bbelt16ag | and you can be darn sure i am gonna get it |
| 05:43.17 | shogunx | hmm? did someone say cluster? |
| 05:43.20 | Gnea | plasma are such crap. |
| 05:43.27 | bbelt16ag | i said hive not cluster, |
| 05:43.30 | bbelt16ag | hive |
| 05:43.48 | bbelt16ag | and if openmosix would hurry up on the 2.6 kernel module i would have my a cluster.. |
| 05:43.52 | donaldo | nvz: oh thanks. i saw him say "thank" and i looked to see who responded... for some reason i have a very difficult time conversing in this client |
| 05:43.59 | shogunx | oh? no parallel processing, or even load balancing? |
| 05:44.07 | donaldo | what exactly differentiates a "hive" from a "cluster?" |
| 05:44.09 | bbelt16ag | well ofcourse. but |
| 05:44.17 | bbelt16ag | prolly nothing just being annoying :L) |
| 05:44.24 | shogunx | my 2.4 om is still rinning strong. |
| 05:44.47 | bbelt16ag | how hard is oscar anybody play with it? its cluster software too |
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| 05:46.05 | sandman | Does debian have a graphical keyboard package available anywhere? |
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| 05:47.10 | xoz | sandman: what is that? |
| 05:47.26 | sandman | Well |
| 05:47.27 | donaldo | trollboy: i think i may take your advice for an ata-cf adapter in my xbox. if it booted up more instantaneously i'd be more inclined to shut it off when i'm not watching anything |
| 05:47.28 | Nielsen | onscreen click-to-type keyboard |
| 05:47.49 | sandman | I want to use my Debian box via an vncviewer on my N800 |
| 05:48.04 | trollboy | allot of the new 2.5" hdd manufactuers are throwing flash partitions on thier drives now |
| 05:48.07 | xoz | kde or gnome |
| 05:48.11 | trollboy | vista takes advantage of it |
| 05:48.13 | sandman | And since the n800 fits in my palm, it doesn't have room for a keyboard |
| 05:48.22 | trollboy | loads the os on flash, and ~home on the hdd |
| 05:48.34 | Gnea | xvkbd - software virtual keyboard for X11 |
| 05:48.58 | Gnea | hahaha |
| 05:49.00 | trollboy | given |
| 05:49.11 | markybob | i didnt know we beeped in #debian |
| 05:49.11 | trollboy | didn't say that to get calls of "vista love" |
| 05:49.16 | ice63 | :0) |
| 05:49.20 | trollboy | but rather just illustrating |
| 05:49.28 | trollboy | it would be easier to do in linux |
| 05:49.35 | trollboy | if the fs supported it |
| 05:49.39 | trollboy | dunno if it does yet |
| 05:49.48 | trollboy | haven't heard of any *nix guys getting ahold of one yet |
| 05:49.59 | ice63 | vista jest suck's lol |
| 05:50.07 | shogunx | i've been using those solid state drives for a year now. no problems at all. |
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| 05:50.17 | trollboy | really? |
| 05:50.20 | trollboy | how you digging them? |
| 05:50.25 | shogunx | they rock. |
| 05:50.30 | trollboy | fast? |
| 05:50.47 | shogunx | program load is about 3-4 times as fast. |
| 05:50.54 | trollboy | schweet |
| 05:51.03 | shogunx | boot in about 20 seconds |
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| 05:51.15 | trollboy | I'm considering running berkleydb or some such on here |
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| 05:52.02 | markybob | fuck. i got drunk again on mother's day. if only she had hugged me |
| 05:52.19 | trollboy | markybob: that's why you have booze instead |
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| 05:52.32 | louis_ | I noticed since I installed debian that all of my compiles fail with errors that are not english |
| 05:52.38 | louis_ | here is one example |
| 05:52.41 | louis_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:52.51 | louis_ | I am confused as to what that means |
| 05:52.58 | weasel00 | markybob : *shivers at horrible thoughts |
| 05:53.03 | markybob | i'm confused as to what language that's in |
| 05:53.10 | louis_ | I've tried compiling dnsmasq, and mplayer, and get the same gist of errors |
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| 05:53.28 | markybob | louis_: really...what language? |
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| 05:53.52 | louis_ | gcc |
| 05:53.58 | louis_ | is what I am using to compile this |
| 05:54.02 | peterS | eh? that is english |
| 05:54.09 | louis_ | the error isn't :( |
| 05:54.31 | markybob | peterS: thank god...someone who i know cares. hold me! |
| 05:54.32 | peterS | that error is known to occur with a development snapshot of gcc 4.3 |
| 05:54.38 | peterS | I hope you aren't using _that_ for real work? |
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| 05:55.53 | louis_ | it's what I got from apt-get install. perhaps I should tell it to download more stable packages |
| 05:55.53 | peterS | what version is the compiler that gives the error? type 'gcc --version' or 'g++ --version' to find out |
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| 05:55.54 | louis_ | gcc (GCC) 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21) |
| 05:55.55 | Tidus | question... what's the package to turn a debian system into a router without much fuss? |
| 05:56.01 | louis_ | prerelease doesn't sound good |
| 05:56.05 | peterS | louis_: oh so it's a different error than what I was thinking of (the thing with gcc 4.3) |
| 05:56.17 | peterS | prerelease is fine, it just means it's in between 4.1.1 and 4.1.2 |
| 05:56.20 | louis_ | Tidus: I recommend dhcpcd/iptables/dnsmasq. |
| 05:56.36 | markybob | Tidus: uh...route is installed by default...so is iptables, i think...so... read an iptables tutorial? |
| 05:56.45 | louis_ | it's what I used on gentoo, that I am(currently attempting) use in debian |
| 05:56.47 | Tidus | i know how to set it up manually |
| 05:56.50 | Tidus | but every time i say i did that, someone flames me for doing it by hand |
| 05:57.06 | valdyn | !masq |
| 05:57.06 | dpkg | i heard masq is See: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Masquerading-Simple-HOWTO/index.html by JohnFlux :), or do "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o <output interface device, such as eth0> -j MASQUERADE ; echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" and view the rules with iptables -t nat -L |
| 05:57.08 | louis_ | who cares what other people say, if the box works? |
| 05:57.15 | valdyn | !ipmasq |
| 05:57.15 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), apt-get install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html |
| 05:57.25 | Tidus | that's what it is |
| 05:57.28 | Tidus | ty valdyn |
| 05:57.33 | louis_ | peterS: what gcc compiler version is decent? |
| 05:57.45 | markybob | tidus really? by routing, you meant nat? |
| 05:57.51 | louis_ | I'm linking this to the compiler since it seems to do it with any general software I can think of |
| 05:57.52 | peterS | louis_: nothing wrong with the 4.1.1-21 you are using. I don't know what is triggering those errors, though |
| 05:57.56 | Tidus | i know how to set it all up by hand, having memorized the gentoo guide for it |
| 05:58.02 | Tidus | markybob, that's what i meant, yes |
| 05:58.08 | Tidus | basically, a wired nat router |
| 05:58.09 | markybob | kids these days |
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| 05:58.31 | louis_ | Hmm. |
| 05:58.59 | peterS | louis_: so it's the same error each time? what source file does gcc blame for this? |
| 05:59.44 | Tidus | ty for your help |
| 06:00.04 | louis_ | I tried another small package, x264, and get lines like this |
| 06:00.06 | louis_ | http://pastebin.ca/486996 |
| 06:00.26 | louis_ | it loses me when it starts making up characters |
| 06:00.42 | valdyn | louis_: the weird letters are just " or ' |
| 06:00.57 | valdyn | louis_: this could be your specific font |
| 06:01.21 | donaldo | lol |
| 06:01.31 | peterS | louis_: yeah those are just gcc trying to be cute with quoting characters. can you also paste the 'gcc' compile line that causes the errors you pasted? |
| 06:01.33 | nvz | hmm gdebi is pretty cool, resolves deps like apt for locally installed packages.. neat littly python hack |
| 06:01.42 | louis_ | make? |
| 06:01.54 | peterS | 'make' normally shows the compiler invocations |
| 06:01.55 | Gnea | !debian multimedia |
| 06:01.55 | dpkg | somebody said debian multimedia was apt-get install debian-multimedia-keyring |
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| 06:02.15 | nvz | hah, they are packaging the keyrings now? |
| 06:02.21 | Gnea | they have been |
| 06:02.23 | louis_ | it isusing -O4 |
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| 06:02.26 | nvz | !be apt-key barbie |
| 06:02.26 | dpkg | apt-key is hard! |
| 06:02.27 | markybob | nvz: we're cool like that |
| 06:02.29 | louis_ | that doesn't seem good at all |
| 06:02.30 | nvz | haha |
| 06:02.41 | nvz | there is actually a factiod for that |
| 06:02.50 | donaldo | wow, aptitude displays nothing except its status line the TERM environ = dumb |
| 06:02.52 | markybob | nvz: (nspluginwrapper/ia32-libs-gtk, etc) |
| 06:03.03 | Gnea | nvz: have you ever played a dvd that played back garbled video in every player except for mplayer? |
| 06:03.05 | donaldo | when* the TERM environ = dumb |
| 06:03.08 | nvz | !factinfo apt-key |
| 06:03.08 | dpkg | nvz: there's no such factoid as apt-key |
| 06:03.20 | nvz | !factinfo be apt-key barbie |
| 06:03.20 | dpkg | nvz: there's no such factoid as be apt-key barbie |
| 06:03.20 | donaldo | Gnea: defined garbled |
| 06:03.23 | louis_ | I'm not sure what the compiler invocations are, peterS |
| 06:03.39 | markybob | louis_: it should be printed right after make |
| 06:03.41 | peterS | louis_: make should spit out lines that start with the name of the compiler, just before the compiler error messages |
| 06:03.41 | nvz | hmm dondelelcaro must have patched dpkg to do the barbie thing |
| 06:03.47 | Gnea | donaldo: frames are shifts horizontally and vertically every other pixel |
| 06:03.53 | Gnea | *shifted |
| 06:04.04 | nvz | I guess that cuts down on the database usage |
| 06:04.26 | sciencesloth | http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/05/28/100033867/index.htm?section=money_latest |
| 06:04.36 | louis_ | I can't see up more than a page or two |
| 06:04.38 | donaldo | Gnea: wow really? i have neeeevvver heard of that happening in dvd playback |
| 06:04.45 | peterS | !find debian-multimedia-keyring |
| 06:04.46 | louis_ | I will try to read them as it compiles |
| 06:04.53 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'debian-multimedia-keyring' returned no results. |
| 06:04.57 | donaldo | Gnea: oh wait, maybe i misunderstand... do you have a screenshot? |
| 06:05.00 | peterS | !forget debian multimedia |
| 06:05.00 | dpkg | peterS: i forgot debian multimedia |
| 06:05.00 | Gnea | donaldo: neither have i until i popped this one DVD in... could just be the DVD |
| 06:05.08 | Gnea | donaldo: sure, one sec |
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| 06:05.18 | Gnea | peterS: pardon? |
| 06:05.28 | Gnea | peterS: it really does exist. |
| 06:05.34 | peterS | Gnea: see what dpkg said a moment ago. whoever created the 'debian multimedia' factoid was obviously confused |
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| 06:05.57 | nvz | hmm I have the debian-archive-keyring and didnt even realize it |
| 06:06.09 | Gnea | peterS: i created it, and i'm not confused. |
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| 06:06.15 | Gnea | The following NEW packages will be installed: |
| 06:06.16 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:06.21 | nvz | damn.. I entered the damn keys manually a while back when I first started using apt 0.6x |
| 06:06.28 | dondelelcaro | nvz: apt depends on it |
| 06:06.30 | peterS | Gnea: show me the link to that package on packages.debian.org then |
| 06:06.45 | Gnea | peterS: it's not. |
| 06:06.48 | peterS | Gnea: like I said. |
| 06:06.50 | nvz | dondelelcaro: now it does apparently.. I recall doing it manually when I first started testing etch |
| 06:06.51 | Gnea | Get:1 http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid/main debian-multimedia-keyring 2007.02.14 [13.5kB] |
| 06:06.58 | dondelelcaro | nvz: probably |
| 06:07.05 | Gnea | peterS: people ask about that ALL the time in here. |
| 06:07.19 | Gnea | peterS: most of the time, most people never know what to say about it. |
| 06:07.21 | dondelelcaro | nvz: the key management was a bit sketchy for a while |
| 06:07.29 | dondelelcaro | (well, it still is, IMO, but it's getting better) |
| 06:07.33 | peterS | Gnea: if someone asks for information about 'debian multimedia', it isn't very helpful to tell them to run a command that doesn't even work unless you've already changed your sources.list. much more useful to tell them how to change their sources.list |
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| 06:07.51 | nvz | dondelelcaro: seems like its pretty straight-forward now |
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| 06:08.05 | nvz | dondelelcaro: keys can be distributed as security updates |
| 06:08.05 | Gnea | peterS: 100% of the time, if someone is asking about it, then they've obviously already changed their sources.list |
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| 06:08.14 | nvz | dondelelcaro: pretty slick |
| 06:08.19 | peterS | that is patently false |
| 06:08.35 | markybob | patently false...that's an interesting way of putting it |
| 06:08.35 | peterS | people ask about getting multimedia codecs _often_ without having changed their sources.list files |
| 06:08.36 | Gnea | peterS: provide a patent URL that proves it so. |
| 06:08.50 | louis_ | perhaps I can just apt-get dnsmasq and forego compiling it manually, if gcc wants to be like that |
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| 06:08.54 | peterS | I don't have a URL because we don't publicly log this channel |
| 06:08.54 | louis_ | bbl |
| 06:08.55 | louis_ | thanks for the help |
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| 06:09.10 | Gnea | we don't or you don't? |
| 06:09.21 | Gnea | oh, right. |
| 06:09.21 | peterS | do you know what publicly means? |
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| 06:09.26 | nvz | heh |
| 06:09.30 | Gnea | yes, do you? |
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| 06:09.39 | peterS | I weary of your uninformed word games |
| 06:09.41 | dondelelcaro | just fix the factoid already |
| 06:09.51 | donaldo | markybob: it's an obscure phraseology. it just means "clearly false," the implication is that it's so unmistakably false that it must be false by design |
| 06:09.55 | Gnea | the factoid was fine |
| 06:10.22 | peterS | it wasn't fine, it provided no context but assumed that one is asking a very specific question |
| 06:10.27 | dondelelcaro | donaldo: no. patent just means open |
| 06:10.39 | markybob | donaldo: wow. you made me wish i was high |
| 06:10.54 | Gnea | peterS: and you would have it say what? |
| 06:11.17 | dondelelcaro | (or openly, in this case) |
| 06:11.26 | donaldo | you guys are no fun |
| 06:11.55 | Vasistha | donaldo: too much hostility beneath what might otherwised be confused with good fun, huh? :( |
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| 06:12.14 | markybob | it's not hostility. most of it is just sarcasm |
| 06:12.16 | peterS | Gnea: it should say exactly what !debian-multimedia already says. by which I mean, there is no need to duplicate that one |
| 06:12.17 | nvz | what are we even debating here the debian-multimedia factiod |
| 06:12.35 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: debian multimedia is <reply> see debian-multimedia |
| 06:12.35 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
| 06:12.35 | donaldo | Vasistha: eh, not so much. but i was hoping they'd just nod their heads and absorb patently false information |
| 06:12.44 | Gnea | peterS: oh, i didn't know that !debian-multimedia even existed. |
| 06:13.14 | nvz | dondelelcaro: isnt there a way to explicitly link factoids to multiple keys? |
| 06:13.21 | peterS | nvz: that's how you do it |
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| 06:13.33 | nvz | peterS: it does it automatically? |
| 06:13.35 | peterS | nvz: the bot actually parses "<reply> see" and redirects for you |
| 06:13.41 | nvz | ah |
| 06:13.44 | dondelelcaro | !debian multimedia |
| 06:13.44 | dpkg | i guess debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
| 06:13.53 | Gnea | !beer dondelelcaro |
| 06:13.58 | Gnea | thank you |
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| 06:14.21 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: debian-multimedia =~ s/patent-related/various legal/ |
| 06:14.21 | dpkg | OK, dondelelcaro |
| 06:14.25 | piztek3 | are there any other file managers besides nautilus? |
| 06:14.31 | markybob | thunar |
| 06:14.42 | Vasistha | alright, anyone ever played the card game, "apples to apples"? It's *so* *much* *fun* :D I highly recommend it. |
| 06:14.43 | peterS | Gnea: now if you think the 'multimedia keyring' factoid is so useful, you should mention it in one of the other factoids, like I suppose debian-multimedia.etch |
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| 06:14.50 | donaldo | aw... i noticed dondelelcaro address dpkg directly, and i saw its response before i realized he was invoking actual functionality, and not simply getting a humorous response from the bot for addressing it in such a way |
| 06:14.52 | dondelelcaro | piztek3: gentoo, a shell... apt-cache search file manager; try using debtags too |
| 06:15.04 | Vasistha | piztek3: midnight commander, konqueror, rox |
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| 06:15.22 | peterS | donaldo: bots love it when you remember their name, not just their punctuation mark |
| 06:15.31 | Gnea | peterS: are you done? |
| 06:15.37 | donaldo | peterS: hehe |
| 06:15.51 | nvz | piztek3: thunar might be worth checking out |
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| 06:15.59 | peterS | I was done when I deleted the factoid I considered misleading and redundant. and that was like 5 minutes ago. |
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| 06:16.28 | piztek3 | thunar is for xfce? |
| 06:16.31 | markybob | yes |
| 06:16.43 | nvz | piztek3: nautilus is designed to be a bit more than a filemanager.. it and konqueror are the most rounded, but nautilus steps out to be a desktop as well, and konqueror steps out to be a web browser |
| 06:16.48 | dondelelcaro | TAKE THAT YOU HORSE |
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| 06:17.02 | Vasistha | what is done to combat vandalism of bot factoids? |
| 06:17.04 | markybob | dondelelcaro: how'd you know my last name was pinto? |
| 06:17.22 | dondelelcaro | Vasistha: when I notice it, I ban people |
| 06:17.31 | piztek3 | well i have a problem in nautilus, when i browse, i don't have a location bar or the buttons on top |
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| 06:17.36 | dondelelcaro | Vasistha: the bot also has a few protections built into it to avoid it, and I have backups of the factoids |
| 06:17.39 | piztek3 | and the option is checked in preferences |
| 06:17.49 | nvz | piztek3: I think so, yes.. I had a look at it recently.. wasnt too bad.. did better thumbnailing (read faster) than nautilus |
| 06:18.00 | Vasistha | dondelelcaro: nice. I guess I'll report it directly to you if I find any, which I haven't yet... |
| 06:18.01 | nvz | piztek3: are you using etch? |
| 06:18.04 | piztek3 | yes |
| 06:18.17 | dondelelcaro | Vasistha: best to just fix them unless it's pervasive |
| 06:18.34 | Vasistha | sounds good |
| 06:18.39 | dondelelcaro | (or fix them, and tell me about it) |
| 06:18.48 | nvz | piztek3: in the preferences there is an "always open in browser windows" but I noticed the other night when I installed for my friend, that there didnt seem to be a way to get the real location bar anymore |
| 06:18.49 | piztek3 | how can I fix this? |
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| 06:19.02 | nvz | piztek3: the location bar is now just like buttons that show your current path |
| 06:19.08 | nvz | I am not too fond of it either |
| 06:19.19 | piztek3 | nvz: well how do i get the buttons? |
| 06:19.23 | nvz | i've noticed several packages remove features that I didnt like |
| 06:19.25 | piztek3 | nothing is displayed |
| 06:19.59 | dondelelcaro | nvz: gnome seems to have that problem |
| 06:20.04 | donaldo | piztek3: are you sure there isn't a small control you can click that expands into the toolbar? *just a guess* |
| 06:20.09 | nvz | piztek3: goto the preferences and set that option to always open in browser windows instead of the new "spatical" view or whatever they are calling it |
| 06:20.33 | piztek3 | i'm sure, i've been looking for days, or i can't find it |
| 06:20.42 | nvz | dondelelcaro: yeah I just notice the "auto" function in gaim's account manager is gone.. just has a check box for enabling accounts, but not to choose which are auto enabled |
| 06:20.56 | dondelelcaro | heh |
| 06:21.07 | nvz | dondelelcaro: I agree though, its mostly damn gtk apps.. useful options are just dissapearing left and right |
| 06:21.17 | donaldo | what i think is funny about file browsers is that the ONLY feature i really want that would be much better in a graphical environment than a text-based environment is visualizing my hard drive usage -- and that isn't a feature i've seen in most graphical filesystem browsers |
| 06:21.32 | piztek3 | oh now it's fixed, thank you |
| 06:21.34 | dondelelcaro | nvz: yeah... the most anoying for me was tab complete in normal dialogs; you now have to use the C-l location thingie |
| 06:21.44 | nvz | dondelelcaro: I haven't either.. I just installed for that nas1, that was in here a moment ago.. installing over peoples windows makes me more aware of software I wouldnt use myself |
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| 06:21.55 | Vasistha | donaldo: well, you can usually see, it, but you have to go somewhere *else* to see it. The one thing that I love is konqueror's FSView plugin |
| 06:21.57 | dondelelcaro | nvz: ah |
| 06:21.59 | piztek3 | what's the good package manager to use with gnome? |
| 06:21.59 | nvz | dondelelcaro: he just told me about gdebi tonight when I sent him some gift plugins |
| 06:22.04 | nvz | dondelelcaro: I never seen that before |
| 06:22.05 | dondelelcaro | nvz: yeah, I pretty much just let other people deal with that |
| 06:22.11 | Vasistha | donaldo: wait, that's exactly what you were talking about, isn't it |
| 06:22.12 | dondelelcaro | piztek3: aptitude is what I recommend |
| 06:22.13 | markybob | piztek3: nautilus or thunar |
| 06:22.27 | piztek3 | nautilus for repo package management |
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| 06:22.39 | nvz | dondelelcaro: one thing I think is cool.. its seems universially now gtk listboxes have inline search function |
| 06:22.57 | donaldo | Vasistha: by hard drive usage i meant ... a visualization which helps the user quickly understand which components of the directory hierarchy consume the most space |
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| 06:23.02 | dondelelcaro | nvz: ah; didn't notice that |
| 06:23.09 | nvz | dondelelcaro: I dont know when that happened but I first spotted it in synaptic.. its slick.. way faster than doing a db search in that case on many older systems |
| 06:23.35 | donaldo | Vasistha: more advanced ones might even try to find usage patterns beyond simple tree-like interpretation of your directory hierarchy, but the usefulness tapers off there i think |
| 06:23.39 | Patrick2 | What's the difference between a ".so" and a ".so.2" file ? |
| 06:23.39 | Vasistha | donaldo: yeah, konqueror's FSView plugin is exactly that. It's *wonderful* :-) I'll give you a screenshot, if you like |
| 06:23.41 | nvz | dondelelcaro: makes the name search in synaptic much less useful |
| 06:24.21 | donaldo | Vasistha: sure |
| 06:24.29 | nvz | dondelelcaro: well not really.. just makes it less desireable if your computer is slow on searching the database.. which strangely my friends computer was, even thought its like 1300mhz.. |
| 06:24.43 | nvz | I suspect his hd might be the key bottleneck in his system |
| 06:24.43 | donaldo | Patrick2: you can run "file somefile.so.2" to find out, but it's probably just another .so file |
| 06:24.46 | dondelelcaro | nvz: that's wierd; aptitude searches the db almost instantly |
| 06:24.50 | nvz | and it was making some strange noises |
| 06:24.53 | Vasistha | what I *don't* like about the gtk inline search function, is that it often tries to do it in real time, rather than waiting for me to type the whole word -- which can cause major lag on my old, slow box |
| 06:24.55 | piztek3 | does anyone find that the acceleration curve for gnome's mouse is annoying? |
| 06:24.58 | dondelelcaro | nvz: esp. since that sort of stuff has to be loaded into memory anyway |
| 06:25.01 | nvz | I think his hd might be dying |
| 06:25.22 | dondelelcaro | nvz: could be; I've seen some kind of wierd IO behavoir lately |
| 06:25.24 | donaldo | to paraphrase: All our hard drives are dying. |
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| 06:25.41 | nvz | dondelelcaro: well you can probably imagine synaptic being a gtk app probably has other concerns for its address space |
| 06:25.48 | Gnea | peterS: would you consider http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt to be a decent resource for people to read when re-evaluating their package sources? |
| 06:25.59 | Patrick2 | donaldo: OK - Thank you. Indeed it is just a .so file. |
| 06:26.32 | peterS | Gnea: probably, but the nature of a wiki is that nobody can give a definitive opinion on its contents as they are subject to random editing |
| 06:26.34 | nvz | dondelelcaro: yeah its an old HP he got Intell i8xx series I think.. only 128mb ram but I was figuring etch with gnome to be a little faster at loading and db access than it was performing on that 1300mhz |
| 06:26.39 | Vasistha | donaldo: konqueror's FSView plugin screenshot: http://david9.freepgs.com/i/du-root.png |
| 06:26.46 | piztek3 | where can i get xgl for x86_64 amd64 etch? |
| 06:26.49 | donaldo | lol, i like the idea of "random editing" |
| 06:26.58 | nvz | dondelelcaro: it was a hell of a sight better than XP was doing. I had like a 2 minute wait on drawing the start menu |
| 06:27.02 | donaldo | wikipedia should have a bot that just ad-libs pages at random |
| 06:27.22 | dondelelcaro | nvz: ah; yeah, 128M is nothing |
| 06:27.28 | nvz | dondelelcaro: have you ever seen the ammount of registry access it takes just to click the start button in windows? heh |
| 06:27.44 | Gnea | peterS: is there not a mechanism to lock it down and to have a filter of some sort in order to submit changes? |
| 06:27.59 | dondelelcaro | nvz: not recently; I've been avoiding windows for quite a while now |
| 06:28.04 | nvz | dondelelcaro: I suggested a ram upgrade but I dont really think I have any on hand to give hi |
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| 06:28.33 | Vasistha | dondelelcaro: do tell... if you're able... |
| 06:28.35 | markybob | wtf |
| 06:28.36 | piztek3 | hello? where can i get xgl for amd64 |
| 06:28.40 | nvz | dondelelcaro: I think that whole registry thing is one of the major setbacks of windows.. seems like they got way too many eggs in one basket so to speak |
| 06:29.11 | piztek3 | what's *thee* email app to use? |
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| 06:29.20 | dondelelcaro | mutt |
| 06:29.31 | piztek3 | mutt? |
| 06:29.35 | Vasistha | piztek3: that's very subjective! |
| 06:29.36 | markybob | yeah, mutt |
| 06:29.38 | donaldo | yes, mutt |
| 06:29.38 | nvz | dondelelcaro: when I used to sit there with a real-time registry monitor trying to debug issues.. it just felt like I was accessing a poorly coded webpage with a really slow db |
| 06:30.23 | piztek3 | something with a gui |
| 06:30.48 | Vasistha | evenin' dondelelcar* |
| 06:30.52 | nvz | piztek3: kmail, xaimin |
| 06:31.03 | nvz | I cant for the life of me remember how to spell that |
| 06:31.07 | markybob | no one's gonna say evolution, eh? |
| 06:31.13 | Guerin | no |
| 06:31.13 | donaldo | piztek3: xbiff :P |
| 06:31.15 | nvz | ah evolution |
| 06:31.18 | Guerin | because evolition is evil |
| 06:31.19 | nvz | that was what I was thinking of |
| 06:31.21 | formorer | mutt |
| 06:31.22 | Vasistha | nvz: isn't it ximian ? |
| 06:31.25 | markybob | no |
| 06:31.28 | Guerin | use thunderbird if you must have !mutt |
| 06:31.32 | markybob | it hasnt been ximian in many, many years |
| 06:31.36 | piztek3 | does thunderbird have a calendar |
| 06:31.38 | Vasistha | blech, thunderbird |
| 06:31.38 | nvz | Vasistha: yeah I guess its more commonly known as evolution now |
| 06:31.40 | Gnea | apt-cache search mail client |
| 06:31.49 | formorer | piztek3: is has an extension yes |
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| 06:31.59 | Gnea | piztek3: thunderbird is email-only, sunbird is calendar |
| 06:32.02 | donaldo | why would someone want a calendar in their mail client? |
| 06:32.22 | Vasistha | donaldo: it's for people who make lots of appointments via email |
| 06:32.23 | donaldo | Vasistha: is that also your experience with Outlook? |
| 06:32.27 | nvz | I got gmail.. I dont bother with MUIs |
| 06:32.33 | Vasistha | donaldo: thankfully, I've never used outlook ;) |
| 06:32.57 | nvz | outlook is worse than outlook express last I checked |
| 06:32.59 | donaldo | outlook is actually alright. much more stable than any other windows program, save notepad/calculator/solitaire |
| 06:33.01 | Vasistha | donaldo: to be perfectly honest, I haven't been happy with a mail client since I left windows and eudora |
| 06:33.03 | shogunx | telnet to 25 and 110 is my vote for a mail client. |
| 06:33.19 | donaldo | lol |
| 06:33.23 | Vasistha | donaldo: although honestly, I'm beginning to wonder if I shouldn't give mutt a try |
| 06:33.27 | nvz | donaldo: oh sure, stable.. thats why its one of the top 10 virus portals on windows |
| 06:33.29 | donaldo | i suppose pop and smpt were invented in the era of telnetting those things |
| 06:33.31 | piztek3 | why haven't all my applications changed fonts? |
| 06:33.37 | Gnea | peterS: you know what? i'm just gonna leave the factoids regarding the multimedia the way they are. sorry for wasting your time again. |
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| 06:33.45 | Vasistha | piztek3: you usually need to restart the apps :P |
| 06:33.52 | piztek3 | i've done that |
| 06:33.56 | shogunx | mutt's threading is its most compelling feature. |
| 06:34.02 | donaldo | nvz: we can't have a virus portal that crashes all the time. how would the viruses get their work done? |
| 06:34.46 | nvz | IE, Outlook, and Office are the key virus portals, then you got windows scripting host..etc.. hey wait.. these are all Microsoft technologies.. |
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| 06:35.05 | donaldo | too be fair, nvz |
| 06:35.12 | Vasistha | microsoft, keeping crime rings in business since the mid-90's |
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| 06:35.53 | nvz | Vasistha: you're kidding right? you don't see anyhing criminal about the Seattle Computing-Microsoft-Ibm thing that took place before that? |
| 06:35.54 | piztek3 | Vasistha: no seriously, why did they only change fonts in some areas |
| 06:35.58 | donaldo | microsoft products tend to be the most popular products in their respective fields |
| 06:36.11 | intruder | piztek3: you need to restart apps |
| 06:36.14 | Guerin | donaldo: thank you, Captain Obvious |
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| 06:36.22 | piztek3 | does restarting the computer not count? |
| 06:36.27 | nvz | donaldo: they're branching out into home appliances now.. I've seen the phones.. I'm waiting on the toaster oven.. |
| 06:36.32 | Vasistha | shogunx: I'll tell you what, though -- after learning aptitude, which I've come to really enjoy, and then learning that some of aptitude's keybindings are mutt-based, I've begun to think that there may very well be something I'm missing in my mail client |
| 06:36.33 | piztek3 | intruder: ? |
| 06:36.43 | intruder | piztek3: yes :P restarting the computer does restart the applications |
| 06:36.48 | donaldo | Guerin: well i'm just saying, nvz is saying they're the most popular sources of viruses, but that's not ALL incompetence, some of it is market dominance |
| 06:36.50 | nvz | donaldo: pretty soon, you'll literally have microsoft windows.. in your house |
| 06:36.51 | Vasistha | nvz: well, I meant other crime rings, not their own :) |
| 06:36.59 | piztek3 | so where else do i need to change these fonts? |
| 06:37.01 | donaldo | hahaha |
| 06:37.10 | Guerin | donaldo: yes. But the `market dominance' argument has a flaw: apache |
| 06:37.22 | Vasistha | piztek3: alright. what apps are you using, what DE are you using, and how did you change the fonts? |
| 06:37.34 | donaldo | i think the "Windows" trademark will come under fire if that happens |
| 06:37.43 | Guerin | donaldo: if market dominance was a causative factor in security breaches, we'd see thousands of apache webservers pwn3d every day |
| 06:37.55 | shogunx | Vasistha, mutt is pretty good. pine is also, but its not gpl'd. i can't remember using a gui mail client in the last 7-8 years. |
| 06:38.16 | intruder | mutt rocks |
| 06:38.23 | donaldo | Guerin: it doesn't cause security breaches, or even unknown vulnerabilities. it just means more virus activity. |
| 06:38.31 | intruder | shogunx: do you use it through screen ? |
| 06:38.31 | donaldo | Guerin: that's really all i'm saying |
| 06:38.51 | Guerin | donaldo: yes, but the point is: if it wasn't shit, it wouldn't be owned, regardless of how popular it was |
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| 06:38.53 | piztek3 | Vasistha: Gaim, Gnome |
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| 06:38.56 | piztek3 | on etch |
| 06:38.58 | Vasistha | donaldo: I think the best example of the flaw in the market dominance theory is that there were windows-vista virii found in the wild when it was in beta, with 20,000 users -- and at the same time, there has never been a mac virus found in the wild -- with a million users. |
| 06:39.08 | Vasistha | piztek3: and what DE? |
| 06:39.14 | Vasistha | piztek3: err, duh |
| 06:39.16 | Guerin | donaldo: loath as I am to agree with nvz, he's right about this one. |
| 06:39.17 | Vasistha | piztek3: sorry. |
| 06:39.23 | donaldo | Guerin: eh, i get the impression you think i'm defending microsoft.. i'm really not. haven't used windows personally in five years. |
| 06:39.32 | Vasistha | piztek3: perhaps gaim has its own font settings :P have you checked the gaim config? |
| 06:39.39 | piztek3 | no |
| 06:39.44 | Guerin | donaldo: ok. |
| 06:40.00 | shogunx | intruder. on my main workstation, i log in, run screen, startx, then drop back to the console and exit the screen, leaving the x session intact. i have a range of apps, several mail clients from different accounts, etc. active. when i walk away, i xlock the session. |
| 06:40.04 | donaldo | Vasistha: ha, that's awesome |
| 06:40.13 | donaldo | Vasistha: how do the vista systems find each other? |
| 06:40.39 | piztek3 | where might this config be? |
| 06:40.55 | shogunx | donaldo they look for each others distinctive blue mating screens of course. |
| 06:41.05 | Guerin | heh' |
| 06:41.14 | Vasistha | donaldo: frack if I know. you know, other systems might be able to carry the virii, without actually being infected. e.g. I can receive and re-send a windows virus through my own email (although of course I wouldn't) but the point is I could carry it |
| 06:41.18 | nvz | gaim has its own font settings for your message text, and to override incomming message text, but otherwise it would use gtk2 font settings for the actuall program |
| 06:41.38 | Vasistha | piztek3: open up the gaim preferences? |
| 06:41.41 | donaldo | piztek3: the gaim (and gnome in general) have taken to hiding most options so it won't intimidate users. but the options might be found someplace in ~/.gaim, or perhaps using gnome's windows-style registry equivalent |
| 06:41.42 | piztek3 | and where can i set gtk2 fonts? |
| 06:42.03 | victori | kernel must be loaded before booting? when I try boot /boot/tokernel-image |
| 06:42.07 | Guerin | piztek3: switch2 in gtk-theme-switcc |
| 06:42.08 | Vasistha | gah, why do people use gnome? *sigh* |
| 06:42.09 | Guerin | piztek3: switch2 in gtk-theme-switch |
| 06:42.09 | victori | what amI missing? |
| 06:42.09 | piztek3 | even the window list is unchanged |
| 06:42.15 | nvz | donaldo: gconf scares me when I think of how much it looks like regedit |
| 06:42.29 | piztek3 | gtk-theme-switch in terminal? |
| 06:42.39 | Guerin | piztek3: it's a package; switch2 is a command |
| 06:42.43 | Guerin | or was, last I used gnome |
| 06:42.57 | piztek3 | oh |
| 06:42.58 | donaldo | nvz: i've never used the graphical interface, is it that bad? |
| 06:43.05 | Vasistha | victori: want to pastebin your menu.lst ? |
| 06:43.11 | victori | can't |
| 06:43.22 | victori | can't get into it |
| 06:43.23 | victori | so |
| 06:43.24 | Guerin | donaldo: nowhere near as bad as the registry |
| 06:43.26 | piztek3 | i'll try |
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| 06:43.35 | victori | root(hd0,0) boot /boot/myfsckkernel |
| 06:43.39 | victori | should work!? |
| 06:43.58 | piztek3 | can i remove this ethernet icon in the systray somehow? |
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| 06:44.01 | nvz | donaldo: not really.. its far less cluttered than the windows registry.. but in the same sense its so far relativly useless.. in the windows registry you can drastically change the system, gconf there is almost nothing of interest using it as far as I've seen |
| 06:44.15 | Thasp | Hello. dnsmasq doesn't seem to recognize my config file in debian, but it does in gentoo |
| 06:44.22 | weasel00 | piztek3 : what gui? |
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| 06:44.29 | piztek3 | no icon |
| 06:44.36 | Thasp | if I use dnsmasq -C /etc/dnsmasq.conf wth the exact same conf file, and hardware configuration, I get nothing on the LAN interface |
| 06:44.43 | donaldo | i've always thought a better answer to a gconf/registry type of system would just be a small filesystem with indexes to make access fast and a permissions/chroot-jail system that was simple but appropriate |
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| 06:44.44 | piztek3 | ethernet icon |
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| 06:45.01 | Thasp | is there a way for dnsmasq to work in debian as it does in gentoo? |
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| 06:45.26 | nvz | Thasp: install the one from gentoo? |
| 06:45.37 | donaldo | a small optional API layer to make it easy to load data quickly and painlessly and voila, better than registry/gconf |
| 06:45.57 | Thasp | nvz, I can't compile software |
| 06:46.14 | Thasp | apt-get works though, so I am using the dnsmasq I got from there |
| 06:46.16 | donaldo | Thasp: you should get a compiler then, nobody compiles manually anymore :P |
| 06:46.21 | nvz | Thasp: I guess thats why you're not using gentoo.. hah |
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| 06:46.42 | donaldo | aw, nvz's joke was better >:( |
| 06:46.50 | Thasp | I wanted to solve the dnsmasq issue before the gcc one |
| 06:47.03 | Thasp | so I could look into the gcc one on the machine with a graphical web browser |
| 06:47.27 | donaldo | Thasp: you need dnsmasq to access the web? |
| 06:47.28 | nvz | I wanted to get paid before I did any work, but I still havent figured that one out.. which is why I am getting into politics :P |
| 06:47.39 | Thasp | donaldo: so I can access the web on PCs but the router |
| 06:47.58 | donaldo | Thasp: but the router? i don't understand |
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| 06:48.17 | Thasp | donaldo: the router is the debian computer |
| 06:48.22 | wols_ | Thasp: define how it works in gentoo |
| 06:48.25 | Thasp | it was formerly a gentoo computer |
| 06:48.46 | Thasp | dhcpcd connected to the WAN on eth0, dnsmasq was the dhcp server on eth1 for the home network |
| 06:48.47 | donaldo | Thasp: i grokked that, i don't understand why you don't just configure some other computer to use a different dns server |
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| 06:49.04 | wols_ | Thasp: so what's the problem? |
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| 06:49.08 | Thasp | I am not using dnsmasq as a dns server I am using it as a dhcp server for my home network |
| 06:49.08 | donaldo | Thasp: temporarily i mean |
| 06:49.16 | Thasp | I use something else for dns |
| 06:49.25 | donaldo | that's... interesting... |
| 06:49.31 | Thasp | indeed. |
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| 06:49.46 | wols_ | Thasp: you still haven't explained your problem properly |
| 06:49.52 | wols_ | Thasp: is it still sunday where you are? |
| 06:50.01 | shogunx | hehe |
| 06:50.14 | nvz | I don't really know what the hell dnsmasq does, but it doesnt sound like its for dhcp :P |
| 06:50.26 | nvz | I would have installed a dhcp server for that :P |
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| 06:50.30 | wols_ | nvz: it's a dns caching proxy and a dhcp server both |
| 06:50.32 | Thasp | nvz: it fnctioned like that for 8 months before |
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| 06:50.48 | Thasp | the problem is the same options don't seem to work in gentoo |
| 06:50.51 | wols_ | together with ipmasq you get a nice little easyNAT router |
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| 06:51.00 | Thasp | I start dnsmasq and point it at the config file, and I check ifconfig |
| 06:51.07 | nvz | Thasp: so why does it _have_ to now.. you could try a different method that might be simpler |
| 06:51.10 | wols_ | Thasp: talk less about gentoo and more aboutyour actual problem |
| 06:51.11 | Thasp | and eth1 isn't being used at all |
| 06:51.17 | Thasp | wols_: I just did |
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| 06:51.37 | wols_ | Thasp: we still don't know what exactly doesn't work |
| 06:51.43 | Thasp | dnsmasq. |
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| 06:52.14 | Thasp | I have stated my problem |
| 06:52.30 | wols_ | Thasp: no you did no. no one in here knows what your problem actually is |
| 06:52.44 | Thasp | dnsmasq doesn't work as a dhcp server in debian, as eth1 doesn't show up in ifconfig with an address |
| 06:53.07 | wols_ | Thasp: you need to edit the config file. dnsmasq only works as a dns proxy by default in debian |
| 06:53.18 | wols_ | if you edit the config file it will be a dhcp server too |
| 06:53.34 | nvz | yeah we have a crapload of other programs that are specifically for dhcp |
| 06:53.35 | bzed | Thasp: also if you think you could configure an interface on the same host ans dnsmasq runs on, you're wrong. |
| 06:53.39 | wols_ | and you don't point dnsmasq to any config file: you already have a default config file /etc/dnsmasq.conf |
| 06:54.06 | Thasp | I pointed it to a config file because I figured it wasn't seeing /etc/dnsmasq.conf when eth1 wasn't doing anything |
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| 06:54.21 | Penggu | hi all |
| 06:54.30 | wols_ | Thasp: eth1 has a static IP? |
| 06:54.37 | nvz | Penggu: not so much anymore, I just ate a bunch of pretzels |
| 06:54.38 | bzed | Thasp: ever had a look onti /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 06:54.51 | Thasp | eth1 is usually 192.168.0.1, the gateway the rest of the network connects through |
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| 06:55.05 | Penggu | with apt-proxy, does the proxy itself use the local machine's sources.list ? |
| 06:55.12 | wols_ | Thasp: that's not what I asked |
| 06:55.13 | CaT[tm] | I really wish I could keep my language locale AND get ls to sort properly for its context. :/ |
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| 06:55.21 | Thasp | wols_: eth1 has no IP now |
| 06:55.29 | Penggu | or can/should i point the local machine's source.list to 127.0.0.1:9999 ? |
| 06:55.42 | nvz | Penggu: read the manpage? I've only used apt-cacher |
| 06:55.45 | wols_ | Thasp: do what bzed suggested |
| 06:55.45 | bzed | Penggu: no, it saves what other machines' apt s have asked for |
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| 06:56.24 | Vasistha | piztek3: the ethernet icon is probably put there by a NetworkManager tool. You could run it on the command line, or in the background, or not use NM at all |
| 06:56.25 | bzed | Penggu: and yes, you can. |
| 06:56.25 | Penggu | so the local machine (which is hosting apt-proxy) uses a sep. resp and everything? |
| 06:56.32 | Thasp | /etc/network interfaces makes mention of eth0 as the primary network interface(the one that connects to the internet), and none of eth1(the LAN interface) |
| 06:56.42 | Thasp | perhaps if I edit this, something will work. thanks |
| 06:56.51 | bzed | Penggu: you can use the apt-proxy on your local machine... |
| 06:57.08 | nvz | in apt-cacher you point the sources.list at the http://apt-cacher-host/regular-debian-source-url and if the apt-cacher-host has the file it sends it, but if the regular-apt-host has a newer version or its not cached, then it fetches it from there |
| 06:57.19 | wols_ | Thasp: eth1 needs a static IÜ |
| 06:57.22 | wols_ | *IP |
| 06:57.38 | nvz | I am not sure about apt-proxy.. but I know its somehow different from apt-cacher |
| 06:57.39 | Penggu | bzed: thx. i see the apt-proxy file having 'backend servers' |
| 06:57.44 | bzed | Penggu: as nvz said, I think apt-cache is thebetter way to go |
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| 06:57.59 | Penggu | fair nuff |
| 06:58.06 | bzed | Penggu: but ymmv. and apt-proxy works definitely. |
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| 06:58.32 | Penggu | nvz: so apt-cacher uses /var/cache/apt/archives ? |
| 06:58.40 | Vasistha | !wayttd Penggu |
| 06:58.40 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Penggu? |
| 06:58.42 | wols_ | Penggu: yes |
| 06:58.48 | nvz | Penggu: it can, you can configure it |
| 06:59.10 | Thasp | wols_: would you give it a static IP in the dhcp daemon, or prior to setting up a dhcp daemon |
| 06:59.20 | Crypticfortune | where should i set environment variables that i want to be available in for programs launched from the gnome panels stuff? apparently .bashrc doesn't cut it. .profile? (note: i log in from gdm) |
| 06:59.35 | nvz | Penggu: out of the box I think it just uses that.. and you only really have to configure sources.lists for boxes that want to use the cacher to prepend the cachers host to its sources that you want cached.. its really easy |
| 06:59.40 | Vasistha | !tell Crypticfortune about dotfiles |
| 06:59.57 | wols_ | Thasp: prior of course. in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 07:00.08 | Thasp | awesome, thanks |
| 07:00.10 | Penggu | dpkg: many machines, including the 'proxy' running apt-stuff without re-downloading downloaded stuff. i tried using squid, but for some reason it keeps pulling stuff down. may be the file sizes are too large. but yeh - i'm just trialling apt-proxy as we speak, we we'll see |
| 07:00.10 | dpkg | Penggu: what are you talking about? |
| 07:00.18 | wols_ | !tell Thasp about interfaces |
| 07:00.22 | nvz | Penggu: like if you dont want your security updates cached, you can easily do that |
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| 07:00.35 | nvz | Penggu: on a per-box basis even |
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| 07:01.12 | nvz | Penggu: dpkg is a bot |
| 07:01.21 | Penggu | heh |
| 07:01.37 | nvz | Penggu: apt-cache will do what you want, and its really simple to use |
| 07:01.42 | nvz | er apt-cacher |
| 07:01.46 | donaldo | maybe you're a bot, nvz |
| 07:01.53 | nvz | apt, person? |
| 07:02.04 | apt | it has been said that person is like a bot, but squishier, or a meat popscicle |
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| 07:02.05 | Vasistha | Penggu: it sounds like apt-proxy is the appropriate tool for you, yeah. |
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| 07:02.19 | nvz | donaldo: I'm like a bot, but squishier |
| 07:03.16 | MolePrince | Hello. Could someone suggest a utility that could format a text file such that line breaks are connected back together? That is, it has line breaks inserted after every 79 characters or so from using nano, and I'd like to remove the line breaks but not paragraph breaks. |
| 07:03.18 | piztek3 | does anyone find gnome's mouse acceleration curve annoying? |
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| 07:03.33 | Crypticfortune | Vasistha: interesting. more helpful than i expected ^^ |
| 07:03.40 | nvz | piztek3: man xset, check the gnome control center's mouse properties |
| 07:03.52 | Penggu | ahh absoloutely crazy. apt-proxy rox. ill prolly look at apt-cacher if/when apt-proxy breaks |
| 07:03.52 | Vasistha | Crypticfortune: fascinating, how convoluted it all is, huh? :D |
| 07:03.55 | piztek3 | nvz can you tell me how to do that? |
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| 07:04.14 | piztek3 | oh xset, yeah it's set fine |
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| 07:04.48 | nvz | piztek3: on your gnome-panel where it says Desktop you goto Preferences and there is a "Mouse" |
| 07:05.08 | piztek3 | yeah but i'm talking about the acceleration curve |
| 07:05.25 | Vasistha | that's settable in the mouse settings |
| 07:05.38 | Vasistha | well, unless the gnome people decided it was too confusing and that noone should see that control |
| 07:05.39 | nvz | piztek3: [Motion] > Speed > Accelleration: |
| 07:05.49 | nvz | piztek3: its right there in the mouse preferences |
| 07:06.04 | piztek3 | no i'm wondering if you find it not as smooth as kde's |
| 07:06.30 | nvz | I wouldnt use kde if it was the only DE on earth |
| 07:06.37 | piztek3 | lol |
| 07:06.42 | nvz | I only partially use gnome |
| 07:06.56 | nvz | custom xsession.. no gnome-session |
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| 07:07.40 | nvz | xset s off xset -dpms #synergys -n E gnome-settings-daemon & nautilus -n & gnome-panel & sawfish |
| 07:07.50 | nvz | thats my session file |
| 07:07.56 | Vasistha | nvz: believe it or not, it's actually possible to minimize kde's footprint and make it a relatively lightweight DE |
| 07:08.11 | nvz | Vasistha: so I dont like QT or any kde apps :P |
| 07:08.22 | Vasistha | nvz: well, that would be a deeper grudge :) |
| 07:08.35 | nvz | Vasistha: which is why my custom session makes use of GTK like most my apps |
| 07:08.52 | Penggu | thanks all |
| 07:08.57 | nvz | Vasistha: what I wanna know is are QT apps still made with Gimp.. heh |
| 07:09.20 | piztek3 | why does the computer sometimes power off on boot |
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| 07:09.26 | nvz | Vasistha: cause I know where GTK came from.. where's QT's graphic editor? |
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| 07:09.57 | nvz | Vasistha: thats rhetorical.. if you answer that I am just gonna laugh at your response of a QT editor |
| 07:10.03 | Vasistha | nvz: well, one interesting thing to keep in mind is that kde's paint program, called krita, is intentionally *not* an imitation of the gimp. They decided not to reinvent it, and rather, to make a very different paint program |
| 07:10.34 | Vasistha | nvz: I don't know how far along it is, though. I've never used it, myself. |
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| 07:10.49 | Avochelm | so what's the point of /etc/cron.d ? I put a cron file in thar and it didn't pick up the configuration... |
| 07:10.58 | nvz | I love the gimp.. its one of the most used graphical user interfaces on my pc.. cause some things are just really hard to do in a screen terminal |
| 07:11.41 | nvz | I still have hacked scripts for imagemagic tools laying around, but I still use gimp frequently cause certain operations just need to be Gimped |
| 07:12.42 | piztek3 | i love iceweasel |
| 07:12.56 | Gnea | i love bash |
| 07:13.03 | concept10 | I love zsh |
| 07:13.08 | Crypticfortune | i hate gnome =( |
| 07:13.11 | Gnea | lol |
| 07:13.13 | nvz | I still say I need to make a special image tool specifically for basic batch manipulations. basically a graphical imagemagic frontend.. that will make it much easier to crop, rotate, adjust brightness.. basic shit than waiting for 20 or so images to load in gimp and then fiddle with save dialogs..etc |
| 07:13.26 | Gnea | Crypticfortune: i prefer E17 or fluxbox |
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| 07:14.02 | piztek3 | what causes power off problems on bootup? |
| 07:14.12 | nvz | even if I could just tell gimp to batch load things and only display one at a time then batch save them it would suit me I guess |
| 07:14.19 | piztek3 | it usually does it when it get to sdb1 |
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| 07:14.44 | concept10 | piztek3: kernel panic maybe due to pata drivers? |
| 07:14.53 | piztek3 | what is pata? |
| 07:14.59 | Gnea | !pata |
| 07:15.04 | Gnea | uh |
| 07:15.16 | nvz | I just wanna select a shitload of files to work on and be able to move from one to the next without the aggrivation of gimps load/save proceedure |
| 07:15.16 | concept10 | piztek3: parallel ata |
| 07:15.17 | Gnea | it's parallel ata |
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| 07:15.28 | piztek3 | so how can i fix it? |
| 07:15.29 | Gnea | not as good as sata |
| 07:15.35 | Gnea | but still functions |
| 07:15.41 | Vasistha | nvz: yeah, see -- that's one of the things I hate about gtk. qt's load/save dialogs are so much smoother |
| 07:15.43 | piztek3 | they are sata drives |
| 07:15.57 | IdahoEv | can anyone tell me how to get rid of packages that fail to configure? I tried to apt-get install an experimental package that unpacked but failed to configure due to a database error (it seems the .deb had a hard-coded mysql password that doesn't match mine). Now I cant install, remove, or purge it ... all commands try to run the config script, which fails. |
| 07:16.12 | piztek3 | Gnea: please help, will a bios setting cure it |
| 07:16.14 | piztek3 | anything? |
| 07:16.17 | Vasistha | nvz: but that's a small criticism for a wonderful app like the gimp. And I can't blame the gimp people for choosing gtk ... sucks to have to program in c++ |
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| 07:16.34 | Gnea | piztek3: no idea, depends what sort of system you've got |
| 07:16.44 | piztek3 | dual core |
| 07:16.49 | piztek3 | what does it depend on? |
| 07:16.52 | nvz | Vasistha: its not a matter of smoothness.. its a matter of opening 30 files, having 30 windows, each poping up that damn load dailog, then having to go through the annoying save dailog shit.. when I am batch editing I only need one image at a time.. I just want to perform my edits, and hit next and have it save and the next one appear |
| 07:16.53 | concept10 | piztek3: what kind of drive is sdb1 |
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| 07:17.00 | Gnea | that's a cpu type, that tells me nothing |
| 07:17.05 | piztek3 | sata western digital |
| 07:17.10 | piztek3 | 80gb |
| 07:17.16 | nvz | Vasistha: I feel like I am filling out a damn US Census servey when I am trying to batch edit in gimp |
| 07:17.22 | piztek3 | sata2 |
| 07:17.25 | Gnea | is it intel or amd? who makes the motherboard? hell, who made the system? does it have a model #? |
| 07:17.28 | concept10 | piztek3: is that your system (bboot drive) ? |
| 07:17.33 | Gnea | what's the model # of the hard drive? |
| 07:17.36 | Vasistha | nvz: yeah, I totally understand what you're saying you want. And I gather it's too tricky to do with IM, huh. too bad. |
| 07:17.43 | Gnea | piztek3: don't be vague, you'll get nowhere that way |
| 07:17.52 | piztek3 | amd x2, gigabyte board, i built it |
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| 07:17.57 | makk1ntosh | hi all |
| 07:18.15 | piztek3 | concept10: yes |
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| 07:18.37 | concept10 | piztek3: does this happen with all kernels you have installed? |
| 07:18.44 | piztek3 | yes! |
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| 07:18.54 | Gnea | piztek3: well i have no idea, i don't own a gigabyte board, but i'm sure someone else here might own the same one if they knew what the model # the board is |
| 07:19.13 | nvz | Vasistha: if you seen WindowsXP's image viewer.. I want it like that.. or like my image viewer gqview.. just easily rolling through selected images and performing simple edit actions.. and having it save them seemlessly. I guess what I need to do is suggest the idea of a batch operations function in the gimp that lets you work easier on batch jobs |
| 07:19.16 | concept10 | piztek3: oh, in that case, Gnea will help you get it straightened out. |
| 07:19.25 | Gnea | i will? |
| 07:19.29 | concept10 | heh |
| 07:19.40 | piztek3 | aw shoot |
| 07:19.45 | gholm | can anyone suggest a good file manager that doesn't need an X server? |
| 07:19.46 | piztek3 | i thought i might have had another lead |
| 07:19.50 | simonrvn | nvz: i do that with display sometimes - in imagemagick |
| 07:19.54 | Vasistha | gholm: midnight commander ? |
| 07:19.55 | concept10 | piztek3: well, at least you know it's a common problem |
| 07:19.56 | Gnea | a lead? heh |
| 07:19.57 | simonrvn | really simple stuff |
| 07:20.02 | ColdFyre | piztek3: i have a gb amd x2 64.. |
| 07:20.07 | gholm | Vasistha: needs an X server running don't it? |
| 07:20.12 | simonrvn | afk |
| 07:20.18 | Vasistha | gholm: uhh, I believe mc is a textmode app |
| 07:20.21 | nvz | simonrvn: display lets you access the rest of imagemagic's tools visually? |
| 07:20.30 | piztek3 | concept10: so is the problem labeled pata or kernel panic or what? |
| 07:20.41 | piztek3 | ColdFyre: do you have this boot poweroff problem ever? |
| 07:20.58 | ColdFyre | i did, but i replaced my power supply |
| 07:21.02 | concept10 | piztek3: have you looked at dmesg or syslogs? |
| 07:21.16 | piztek3 | i looked at syslogs before |
| 07:21.18 | piztek3 | no help |
| 07:21.42 | ColdFyre | wait, what exactly is the issue? |
| 07:21.46 | concept10 | piztek3: what about dmesg when it probes the harddrives |
| 07:21.48 | ColdFyre | too much text to look through |
| 07:21.50 | Vasistha | gholm: from http://packages.debian.org/stable/utils/mc : GNU Midnight Commander is a text-mode full-screen file manager. |
| 07:21.56 | piztek3 | concept10: where can i check |
| 07:22.00 | ColdFyre | i misread |
| 07:22.03 | gholm | Vasistha: cool |
| 07:22.09 | nvz | simonrvn: usually I just want to crop or rotate a bunch of photos and telling gimp to load em all up and then having to go through all the dialogs of saving and all the popups of load/save dialogs and progress meters and shit just makes the task take 3 times longer than I feel I could do it if I had the right software |
| 07:22.11 | piztek3 | ColdFyre: the problem is that the computer powers off sometimes during boot |
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| 07:22.26 | concept10 | dmesg |
| 07:22.27 | gholm | Vasistha: excellent stuff thanks |
| 07:22.41 | piztek3 | yeah |
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| 07:22.48 | ColdFyre | if dmesg is clean, and its random, i'd really swap your power supply |
| 07:22.49 | nvz | simonrvn: but usually I am cropping out the person in the photo so I need to see it, I cant just script it with imagemagic commands cause each one is different |
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| 07:23.08 | Vasistha | nvz: as for the opening, have you tried doing a batch open from the command line with shell globs? Or a mass drag-n-drop from a graphical file browser? |
| 07:23.12 | optraz1 | yes, i think my freind turn on the snmp-agent in the Wireless Access Point |
| 07:23.13 | IdahoEv | please help: how do I get rid of an apt package that is broken because it failed to configure? I tried to apt-get install an experimental package that unpacked but failed to configure due to a database error (it seems the .deb had a hard-coded mysql password that doesn't match mine). Now I cant install, remove, or purge it ... all commands try to run the config script, which fails. |
| 07:23.44 | tarzeau | IdahoEv: fix the post/pre scripts? |
| 07:23.54 | piztek3 | ColdFyre: where do i check dmsg |
| 07:23.57 | IdahoEv | tarzeau: where do i find the scripts? |
| 07:24.06 | Vasistha | IdahoEv: if you don't know this stuff, then why on earth are you using experimental packages? |
| 07:24.08 | ColdFyre | piztek3: type dmesg |
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| 07:24.16 | nvz | Vasistha: I select the ones I will be working on and right click them in gqview and tell it to open in gimp. but when the first one comes up I am ready to go.. but the next ones and their damn load dailogs prevent me from getting started.. same with the save questions and shit.. stop me from getting on with the next image.. |
| 07:24.16 | ColdFyre | and look through anything that looks funny |
| 07:24.21 | ColdFyre | during the time of the boot |
| 07:24.23 | tarzeau | IdahoEv: /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 07:24.27 | optraz1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:24.45 | IdahoEv | tarzeau: grazie! |
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| 07:25.04 | piztek3 | ColdFyre: i can't read this |
| 07:25.06 | nvz | Vasistha: I have other scripts in gqview that I use on the images to make them all the same size.. simple mogrify options I use after I edit them in the gimp.. to minmize the time spent in gimp.. I have batch scripts for the operations I can script |
| 07:25.11 | piztek3 | i dont know what i'm looking for |
| 07:25.12 | IdahoEv | Vasistha: because i knew if somehing went wrong, I would be able to figure out how to fix it one way or another, this is how I learn. |
| 07:25.18 | Vasistha | nvz: hm. well, I know with kwin, one can use window-specific settings to keep load/save dialogs from stealing focus. Maybe your wm can do something similar? |
| 07:25.26 | Vasistha | IdahoEv: well, that's good :) |
| 07:25.26 | ColdFyre | pastebin it |
| 07:25.27 | nvz | Vasistha: but the crop/rotate to get the subject of interest out of a photograph is definatly a manual thing |
| 07:25.48 | ColdFyre | look for the time when your computer failed to boot |
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| 07:26.08 | nvz | Vasistha: yeah I just realized that the other day.. with sawfish I could use said options (matched windows) to solve the load problem.. but I still got that time wasted on saving |
| 07:26.15 | piztek3 | ColdFyre: http://pastebin.ca/487062 |
| 07:26.17 | ColdFyre | piztek3: i hate to jump the gun, but i am realy leaning leaning towards you have a faulty power supply |
| 07:26.18 | concept10 | i forgot, how do you list all filesystems supported in the current kernel? |
| 07:26.38 | Vasistha | nvz: does it force you to go through a bunch of dialogs just to do a simple save-overwrite ? |
| 07:26.40 | piztek3 | this never happened on windows though |
| 07:26.41 | piztek3 | never |
| 07:26.46 | piztek3 | and still never does |
| 07:28.10 | Vasistha | nvz: oh yes -- yes, it does. I remember now. saving a jpg in the gimp is a time-consuming process. |
| 07:28.10 | nvz | Vasistha: I just hit the X to close the image to save time, and it asks me do I want to save. .and I say yes, then if I rotated, I gotta wait for the stupid dialog about exporting and flatenning the image.. then I gotta mess with comression ratios and interlacing..etc |
| 07:28.12 | concept10 | piztek3: when did it start happening? did you just install this? did you set up a dual boot system? |
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| 07:28.12 | nvz | Vasistha: I know exactly what I am going to do when I do this batch editing, and I know exactly how I am going to respond to each dialog.. so I see them as a waste of my time when I got a shitload of images to go through |
| 07:28.13 | piztek3 | it happened the first time i installed etch |
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| 07:28.13 | piztek3 | and kubuntu |
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| 07:28.13 | piztek3 | and sarge |
| 07:28.13 | piztek3 | and etch again |
| 07:28.16 | ColdFyre | hmm |
| 07:28.16 | piztek3 | it's been going on forever |
| 07:28.26 | piztek3 | but if i plug the windows drive in, it's fine |
| 07:28.28 | ColdFyre | boot the amchine |
| 07:28.37 | ColdFyre | make sure you disable quiet in grub |
| 07:28.45 | piztek3 | how do i do that? |
| 07:28.47 | nvz | Vasistha: I crop my photos at the same horiz:vert ratio around the subject of the image, if nessicary rotate to fit, and then mogrify it to the right size.. same operation over and over and over |
| 07:28.49 | ColdFyre | see what the last thing you can see on the screen is |
| 07:28.53 | ColdFyre | um |
| 07:29.05 | ColdFyre | select the kernel in the grub menu, hit e |
| 07:29.25 | ColdFyre | select the kernel and backspace the quiet and logo if present |
| 07:29.26 | piztek3 | what does quiet do? |
| 07:29.40 | ColdFyre | quiet suppreses allt he messages on boot |
| 07:29.42 | Vasistha | nvz: and I guess it would be quick, if the saving wasn't such a bitch. do you at least master the keyboard shortcuts to speed it up? But then -- oh yeah -- the f'ing gtk people don't keep their hotkeys unique! So you get screwed there, too |
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| 07:29.47 | nvz | Vasistha: only variables are the orientation point of the crop, the size of the crop, and the rotation if nessicary to make it fit within the ratio without distorting the ratio of the image |
| 07:29.51 | piztek3 | okay brb |
| 07:29.56 | ColdFyre | taking quiet out shos exactly what is going on |
| 07:29.59 | Thasp | hey wols_ , I read the manual for interfaces from your /query |
| 07:30.04 | piztek3 | okay brb |
| 07:30.06 | Thasp | I gave eth1 a static IP and now it works |
| 07:30.07 | Thasp | thanks a lot |
| 07:30.08 | piztek3 | will you be here? |
| 07:30.16 | ColdFyre | maybe, dont know |
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| 07:30.20 | nvz | Vasistha: I try to leave the keyboard out of the whole deal, since I am doing mouse-based editing |
| 07:30.20 | Thasp | To you and the other gentleman who assisted me |
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| 07:31.10 | nvz | Vasistha: at least doing the mogrify from gqview in batch after doing the crop/rotating in gimp saves me that one step I'd have to repeat on each image |
| 07:31.20 | Thasp | debian sure did breathe some life into this PII :] |
| 07:31.28 | Thasp | windows XP with ICS was a joke |
| 07:31.45 | nvz | Vasistha: the batch mogrify is slow, but at least its no stress on me.. its doing it automagically.. heh |
| 07:31.50 | Vasistha | Thasp: heh, mine too -- 333 MHz here, with 192 MB ram. for me, it's either this or win 98 |
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| 07:31.54 | concept10 | ColdFyre: I just thought about it.. he says this happens when he unplugs drives.. its probabbly a problem with his grub drive assignment. |
| 07:32.06 | IdahoEv | tarzeau: thanks for the info. I fixed the problem, and now I know what that fool package maintainer's mysql root password is, since he hardcoded it into his config script! |
| 07:32.07 | Thasp | Vasistha: windows XP took 30-35% CPU doing network transfers, at 11 MBps |
| 07:32.07 | claudio` | Does anyone have an idea of why usin GMail other users can't start conversation with me, while i can with them? I use bitlbee as MSN gateway. |
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| 07:32.12 | claudio` | *using |
| 07:32.42 | Vasistha | claudio`: ask #bitlbee ... uhm, I think they're on irc.oftc.net |
| 07:32.43 | ColdFyre | concept10: he said it was during boot? |
| 07:32.55 | claudio` | ah, OFTC.. right! THX Vasistha |
| 07:32.55 | nvz | as long as I do the crop the right and its the correct ratio, I can assure they will all look right doing a batch mogrify to the same size |
| 07:32.59 | concept10 | ColdFyre: yeah, I believe so. |
| 07:33.08 | tarzeau | IdahoEv: you are ONE 1337 HAX0R!!1 |
| 07:33.09 | claudio` | Vasistha: anyway don't seems to be a bitlbee problem |
| 07:33.14 | IdahoEv | :-) |
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| 07:33.28 | ColdFyre | and if anything, grub would spit an error |
| 07:33.32 | ColdFyre | or the kernel |
| 07:33.35 | concept10 | ColdFyre: yeah, thats the problem |
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| 07:33.38 | Vasistha | claudio`: firewall? |
| 07:33.43 | IdahoEv | yeah, well, not quite so 1337, but I'm amused anyway. |
| 07:33.48 | nightfreak | hi, i try to both php versions parallel like explained here http://www.howtoforge.com/apache2_with_php5_and_php4, but this does not work for etch, any idea whats wrong? |
| 07:33.52 | claudio` | Vasistha: nono.. it's to exclude ;) |
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| 07:34.02 | concept10 | ColdFyre: because he said if he plugs in the windows drive its fine, so its drive letter assignment |
| 07:34.09 | ColdFyre | i use custom kernel on my box, i started with an old ubuntu |
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| 07:34.28 | ColdFyre | hm |
| 07:34.42 | ColdFyre | but still, that shouldnt change anything |
| 07:35.06 | ColdFyre | i suppose maybe when the box tries to mount it |
| 07:35.10 | nvz | Ideally I would select my images, and there would be arrows to click on and flip through them... there would be a crop box fixed to my ratio setting that I could move, grow or shrink with the ratio in tact, and could also rotate the image if nessicary to get the area of interest to fit within the crop, then I'd hit the arrow to go to the next image and it'd rotate, crop, save, and close automatically no questions asked,. if that were the case I |
| 07:35.14 | jetscreamer | grub starts counting at 0 and doesn't skip |
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| 07:35.25 | Vasistha | IdahoEv: are you gonna report to him? :) |
| 07:35.29 | concept10 | ColdFyre: yes, it does |
| 07:35.31 | IdahoEv | Vasistha |
| 07:35.31 | Vasistha | (the maintainer, that is) |
| 07:35.38 | concept10 | Im taking all bets |
| 07:35.38 | IdahoEv | Vasistha: yes, I have already done so |
| 07:35.46 | ColdFyre | i have almost the same setup though... |
| 07:35.48 | Raging_Hog | can I find the number of memory slots(used/available) somewhere in the bowels of /proc? |
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| 07:35.49 | jetscreamer | (hd0) |
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| 07:35.55 | Vasistha | poor guy's probabl gonna jump out of his seat |
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| 07:36.15 | nvz | just switching to rotate in gimp, and back to crop is a major setback.. seems to me operations like move, crop, rotate..etc are all the same kind of manipulations and should all be gestures of the same tool |
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| 07:36.34 | Vasistha | nvz: honestly, it sounds like another tool, not the gimp |
| 07:36.38 | ColdFyre | he's back! |
| 07:36.42 | nvz | Vasistha: yeah I know :P |
| 07:36.43 | piztek3 | ColdFyre: hey |
| 07:36.46 | concept10 | ColdFyre: see he most likely set up his system with the windows drive plugged in, and removed it and the assignment is screwed |
| 07:36.54 | piztek3 | it didn't happen this time, and no quiet command |
| 07:37.07 | concept10 | piztek3: is this with the windows drive plugged in? |
| 07:37.22 | piztek3 | no, just the boot drive and my backup drive |
| 07:37.26 | nvz | Vasistha: I suck at gui programming and know very little about image editing under the hood.. heh |
| 07:37.43 | ColdFyre | piztek3: for the hell of it, want to try my .config? |
| 07:37.49 | piztek3 | boot drive is first on the boot list and in sataII0 slot and backup drive is in sataII1 slot |
| 07:37.50 | concept10 | piztek3: so you plugged in another drive? |
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| 07:38.00 | Vasistha | nvz: yeah ... although if you did, in theory, you could probabl use some of gimp's tools to make your own tool. oh well. |
| 07:38.04 | ColdFyre | i have a working .config for 2.6.20 |
| 07:38.12 | nvz | Vasistha: I can outline the way a batch image editor should work.. cause I've never seen one that facilitated batch image editing for your shrewed power-user.. but I couldnt actually program it :P |
| 07:38.16 | Vasistha | I seem to be missing the 'y' of 'probably' pretty consistently |
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| 07:38.18 | piztek3 | yeah, let me see it |
| 07:38.20 | wols_ | Raging_Hog: dmidecode might show you |
| 07:38.20 | ColdFyre | for a gig board, same as yours really |
| 07:38.25 | ColdFyre | one sec |
| 07:38.39 | concept10 | piztek3: did you just plug the backup drive in? |
| 07:38.47 | claudio` | Yes, it's not a bitlbee problem.. uff :-( |
| 07:39.00 | piztek3 | concept10: it's been in for a while |
| 07:39.01 | Vasistha | nvz: have you really taken a close look at all the software out there? is it possible that such a program might exist, which you haven't yet found? |
| 07:39.11 | peterS | Vasistha: you mean prett consistentl? |
| 07:39.11 | Vasistha | nvz: (and by that, I mean software in debian) |
| 07:39.12 | piztek3 | concept10: it's mounted and all |
| 07:39.26 | piztek3 | second on the boot list |
| 07:39.30 | piztek3 | i don't see the problem |
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| 07:39.40 | Vasistha | peterS: something like that! clearl hardl consistentl enough |
| 07:39.41 | wols_ | Raging_Hog: yes it does for me (it's a bit board dependent. k7s5a here) |
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| 07:39.57 | piztek3 | concept10: any ideas? |
| 07:40.21 | concept10 | piztek3: Basically, what im getting at, is that you said it acts differently with another drive in, I was thinking that you have drive assignment wrong in grub.. |
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| 07:41.20 | ColdFyre | piztek3: http://cfdigital.com/.config |
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| 07:41.20 | nvz | Vasistha: searching for software gets tiring.. one of the reasons I liked debian so much.. tons of it easily accessible from one place.. but even in debian I try do less searching and more working with what I got.. I am very effecient in my use of a computer.. and I just like to get my tasks done as fast as the computer can handle.. usually my fingers are shouting commands at a computer faster than it can produce output |
| 07:41.20 | piztek3 | concept10: where do i change that in grub? |
| 07:41.21 | concept10 | piztek3: if it works, you dont have to change anything. |
| 07:41.32 | nvz | Vasistha: thats why I've been 100% microsoft free for like 6 years.. their technologies are way too damn crippling for mine and my machines abilities |
| 07:41.36 | concept10 | piztek3: but its /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 07:41.56 | piztek3 | and what would i edit? |
| 07:42.04 | nvz | Vasistha: when I see that both myself and my machine can go faster than the software is allowing, that aggrivates me.. |
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| 07:42.06 | smi | Is there a command to see computers 'specs' like memory, cpu? |
| 07:42.21 | ColdFyre | piztek3: does this happen when grub loads or when the kernel is loading |
| 07:42.29 | ktwilight | smi, maybe cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 07:42.32 | Vasistha | smi: well, there's several. cat /proc/cpuinfo; lspci; lsusb |
| 07:42.35 | wols_ | !hardware |
| 07:42.35 | dpkg | Before buying -any- hardware, make sure it's supported by all operating systems you want to use. See: the hardware howto. Ask me about howtos. or if you ask "Hey, why does my card suck so much in Linux," we have to say, "because your card manufacturer can't decide whether they're in the hardware or software business.", or check http://lhd.datapower.com/, http://linuxhardware.net/ and http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO.html |
| 07:42.49 | concept10 | theres no fun in that |
| 07:42.49 | wols_ | smi: dmidecode |
| 07:42.59 | piztek3 | i would say kernel |
| 07:43.22 | piztek3 | like around the time it detects the all-in-one card reader and the hard drives |
| 07:43.33 | ColdFyre | concept10: how could it be grub realted in this phase? |
| 07:43.51 | concept10 | ColdFyre: you trying to prove me wrong? |
| 07:43.53 | ColdFyre | maybe it is just a bad driver shipped? |
| 07:43.59 | ColdFyre | concept10: maaaybe |
| 07:44.14 | Vasistha | nvz: I hear ya, man. so, have you bothered expressing these desires in a forum where people might listen, and either create things, or point you in the right direction? (e.g. #gimp) |
| 07:44.19 | piztek3 | this hd ran xp fine |
| 07:44.26 | concept10 | ColdFyre: remember, you started off with power supply... I started with kernel :) |
| 07:44.38 | ColdFyre | i did not have the info at that point |
| 07:44.47 | concept10 | heh |
| 07:44.47 | ColdFyre | well, enough info i mean |
| 07:44.50 | concept10 | its cool |
| 07:44.51 | piztek3 | ColdFyre: but how could my config be replaced by yours so simply? |
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| 07:45.05 | ColdFyre | piztek3: get that kernel version |
| 07:45.07 | ColdFyre | extract it |
| 07:45.07 | wols_ | piztek3: what kernel? debian kernel= |
| 07:45.20 | ColdFyre | wols_: its 2.6.20.2 |
| 07:45.28 | concept10 | did he post his dmesg? |
| 07:45.29 | wols_ | ColdFyre: not yours |
| 07:45.29 | piztek3 | but i need an nvidia driver with it right? |
| 07:45.40 | ColdFyre | after extracting the kernel source, repalce the .config with that |
| 07:45.43 | wols_ | piztek3: what kernel do you run? |
| 07:45.49 | ColdFyre | yes, get the nvidia driver fromt he site |
| 07:45.53 | athame | ColdFyre, are there debian packages for 2.6.20.x? |
| 07:45.56 | piztek3 | 2.6.17-3? |
| 07:45.57 | wols_ | ColdFyre: don't. just stop |
| 07:46.05 | Vasistha | piztek3: uname -r |
| 07:46.05 | wols_ | piztek3: that is no debian kernel? |
| 07:46.27 | concept10 | heh, ColdFyre he can copy that kernel .config all over his system, without recompiling, it does nothing :) |
| 07:46.30 | piztek3 | 2.6.18-3-amd64 |
| 07:46.41 | ColdFyre | and recompile |
| 07:46.47 | ColdFyre | i was getting there |
| 07:47.17 | concept10 | that was a good'n |
| 07:47.34 | Vasistha | piztek3: hum, you should update/upgrade your system and get 2.6.18-4 |
| 07:47.53 | piztek3 | every kernel has done this so far |
| 07:47.56 | concept10 | he says it happens on all kernels.. |
| 07:48.08 | piztek3 | plus i don't think there is an nvidia driver for it yet |
| 07:48.16 | ColdFyre | there is |
| 07:48.17 | Vasistha | well, n/m |
| 07:48.38 | wols_ | piztek3: if all kernels do it: check hardware. like memory |
| 07:48.48 | concept10 | does .18 include those backports for the screwy pata/sata/shmata stuff? |
| 07:48.50 | piztek3 | i've tried like every setting possible |
| 07:48.53 | wols_ | piztek3: you're not running the current etch stable kernel. etch certainly has nvidia drivers |
| 07:49.24 | concept10 | did he paste his dmesg? |
| 07:49.28 | ColdFyre | yes he did |
| 07:49.34 | concept10 | url? |
| 07:49.51 | piztek3 | no matching nvidia kernel |
| 07:50.07 | ColdFyre | http://pastebin.ca/487062 |
| 07:50.38 | wols_ | piztek3: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=nvidia&searchon=names&subword=1&version=stable&release=all |
| 07:50.43 | wols_ | there are nvidia drivers |
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| 07:50.59 | sep | does debian have a internet print tool. similar to iprint on novell ? |
| 07:51.29 | ColdFyre | wols_: the problem is the stock drives cant be used for anything great(i'm not sure if he's a gamer) |
| 07:51.35 | ColdFyre | drives/drivers |
| 07:51.48 | piztek3 | should i run the k8 or the generic |
| 07:52.11 | wols_ | sep: what is a internet print tool? there is CUPS as everywhere |
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| 07:52.35 | concept10 | why is this crap in dmesg? nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel. |
| 07:52.38 | Vasistha | piztek3: it's best to run the one that's built for your system, if you have a system that there's a kernel for |
| 07:52.59 | ColdFyre | http://packages.debian.org/stable/x11/nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-amd64 |
| 07:53.03 | wols_ | concept10: cause it always was and cause proprietary shit taints a kernel? |
| 07:53.10 | ColdFyre | concept10: i get that too |
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| 07:53.23 | piztek3 | why are these driver not in my repos? |
| 07:53.31 | concept10 | dmesg is for debugging, not politics! |
| 07:53.37 | Vasistha | piztek3: do you have non-free in your sources.list ? |
| 07:53.41 | ColdFyre | what repos do you have enabled? ;) |
| 07:53.45 | piztek3 | i'm not sure |
| 07:53.45 | sep | wols_, cups works ok as a backend. i was more thinking about the iprint part that alows the user to browse to a page, and print there without any drivers |
| 07:53.48 | wols_ | piztek3: cause you have no "non-free" or "contrib" in your sources.list |
| 07:54.01 | piztek3 | where is sources.lst |
| 07:54.06 | Vasistha | !sources.list |
| 07:54.06 | dpkg | hmm... sources.list is something like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free" where cc is your country code. see <mirrors>, /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list. also see <etch security>, or run "apt-get update" after editing sources.list in order to refresh your database |
| 07:54.07 | sheldonh | apt-get update on my etch box complains about a bad signature on http://security.debian.org stable/updates Release. is the solution to apt-key add http://ftp-master.debian.org/archive-key-4.0.asc |
| 07:54.25 | ColdFyre | its in /etc/apt/ |
| 07:54.25 | sheldonh | ? |
| 07:54.36 | Vasistha | damn, that factoid is missing that crucial piece of info |
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| 07:54.39 | wols_ | concept10: yes it's for debugging. and no kernel developer will look at your kernel if you run non free software in the kernel cause the developer cannot know what bullshit the closed source driver does |
| 07:54.50 | wols_ | concept10: and that is why the tainted message must be in dmesg |
| 07:54.54 | piztek3 | and what do i add? |
| 07:55.03 | wols_ | !tell piztek3 about non-free |
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| 07:55.06 | wols_ | !tell piztek3 about contrib |
| 07:55.11 | piztek3 | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
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| 07:55.41 | wols_ | piztek3: ftp.us.debian.org. not ftp.debian.org |
| 07:56.00 | hark | and add contrib non-free at the end |
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| 07:56.59 | ColdFyre | then make sure you do apt-get update |
| 07:57.04 | concept10 | wols_: so, the nvidia module is a blob or wrapper around blob? |
| 07:57.11 | wols_ | concept10: yes |
| 07:57.39 | wols_ | anytime your kernel is "tainted" you have closed source in your kernel memory space. which means no kernel dev can debug your kernel problem |
| 07:57.40 | piztek3 | how do i install this .deb drive i downloaded |
| 07:57.46 | wols_ | dpkg -i |
| 07:57.47 | wols_ | man dpkg |
| 07:58.07 | wols_ | !tell piztek3 about nvidia one-liner |
| 07:58.44 | ColdFyre | !tell ColdFyre about nvidia one-liner |
| 07:58.52 | wols_ | !tell ColdFyre about msg the bot |
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| 07:59.15 | ColdFyre | i had no idea what that was |
| 08:00.25 | wols_ | sheldonh: careful. apt can growl better _and_ can take your PC hostage |
| 08:00.31 | concept10 | Well, all... good luck, keep your kernels clean and mouths howling.. im going to sleep |
| 08:00.43 | hark | ~lart sheldonh |
| 08:00.43 | apt | takes out sheldonh with the trash |
| 08:00.46 | sheldonh | wols_: fair enough |
| 08:00.47 | Nielsen|Work | sheldonh: nothing like a good klingon warcry to get apt up and running ;) |
| 08:00.50 | sheldonh | haha |
| 08:01.23 | piztek3 | can i click install it somehow? |
| 08:01.34 | sheldonh | could someone else with "deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free" in sources.list try an apt-get update and tell me if you get a BADSIG error on the etch key? |
| 08:01.41 | concept10 | piztek3: if you have gdebi |
| 08:01.43 | hark | piztek3: there's gdebi |
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| 08:01.57 | concept10 | !info gdebi |
| 08:02.00 | dpkg | gdebi: (Simple tool to install deb files), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.2.4debian1 (sid), Packaged size: 29 kB, Installed size: 224 kB |
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| 08:02.12 | sheldonh | simpler than dpkg -i? |
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| 08:02.32 | concept10 | sheldonh: nothing is more simple than the command line. |
| 08:02.34 | piztek3 | i'm still willing to bet this doesn't fix the poweroff problem |
| 08:02.37 | piztek3 | what do you think? |
| 08:02.53 | sheldonh | anyone re my gpg error? ^^^ |
| 08:02.56 | hark | what are you installing? |
| 08:02.57 | concept10 | sheldonh: its a nice little app honestly |
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| 08:04.00 | sheldonh | 'cause to me, this looks like a bad Release file on the server, not a local problem on my etcher sketch |
| 08:04.15 | ColdFyre | how did that get so sidetracked? we are having him install the nvidia kernel module for a power on issue? lol |
| 08:04.17 | concept10 | sheldonh: I use it from time to time, it's basically a scaled down synaptic, but it allows you to view the contents of the pkg before you install it |
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| 08:04.48 | concept10 | Ive been meaning to write an article on that |
| 08:05.20 | sheldonh | hark: me? just wanted to do an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 08:05.24 | cydork | sheldonh: BADSIG. afaik that is related to bad release.gpg.. |
| 08:05.36 | piztek3 | ColdFyre: do you think it's usb related? |
| 08:05.45 | UKPbz | Can anyone help with an rsync query on etch? how do I have a line with a source directory WITH spaces become recognised (example rsync -au -q -e ssh pedro@193.191.2.30:/var/vm/Trixbox 2.0 Prod/ /backup_voice) |
| 08:05.52 | ColdFyre | piztek3: i dont think so |
| 08:05.54 | sheldonh | cydork: and that's just a case of waiting for someone to fix the sig on the debian server? |
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| 08:06.25 | sheldonh | UKPbz: can't you just single-quote the path? |
| 08:06.36 | cydork | sheldonh: well if it was badsig. many others will face the same problem. |
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| 08:07.04 | UKPbz | sheldonh: where would the quote start? after the : |
| 08:07.34 | ColdFyre | piztek3: in that situation id build my own kernel |
| 08:07.46 | sheldonh | UKPbz: sure. it could start before pedro too |
| 08:07.47 | piztek3 | too hard |
| 08:07.54 | bzed | UKPbz: you could use foo\ bar\ fizzle |
| 08:07.55 | piztek3 | let me reboot and see if this fixes anything |
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| 08:08.16 | piztek3 | brb |
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| 08:08.37 | ColdFyre | concept10: we had him install the nvidia driver...why......? |
| 08:08.39 | sheldonh | UKPbz: this is about how the shell passes arguments to commands, not rsync in particular. if you're interested in learning how that works for the future, check out your shell's manual or info page |
| 08:08.59 | sheldonh | UKPbz: but right now, just wrap quotes around the thing that represents one argument |
| 08:09.36 | UKPbz | thanks Sheldonh, I have tried quotes in most places, using my example could you show me please |
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| 08:10.28 | sheldonh | UKPbz: rsync may be special, given that it fires off a child process on the remote end. but i'd have tried this: rsync -au -q -e ssh 'pedro@193.191.2.30:/var/vm/Trixbox 2.0 Prod/' /backup_voice |
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| 08:10.54 | konerd | phpbb2 |
| 08:11.10 | sheldonh | UKPbz: ah no |
| 08:11.18 | sheldonh | UKPbz: rsync has weird handling of spaces in arguments |
| 08:11.23 | sheldonh | UKPbz: see the rsync manual page |
| 08:11.52 | konerd | problem with installation phpbb2. don't know how to do this: "Make sure you include /etc/phpbb2/apache.conf in the apache config of your |
| 08:11.54 | konerd | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:12.35 | UKPbz | checking |
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| 08:12.51 | piztek3 | xserver didn't start properly |
| 08:12.56 | piztek3 | it gave me a blue screen |
| 08:13.15 | konerd | if i am using /etc/apache2/apache2.conf, how to link this to /etc/phpbb2/apache2 or the other way round? |
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| 08:13.24 | simonrvn | sounds like a debconf screen. read the info |
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| 08:13.39 | piztek3 | it wouldn't configure properly |
| 08:13.44 | XMR2F77 | !source |
| 08:13.45 | dpkg | To work with Debian source packages, cd to a location with free space. as root: 'aptitude install build-essential fakeroot devscripts' and 'apt-get build-dep {packagename}'. as any user: 'apt-get source {packagename}', cd into the directory it creates, edit 'debian/rules' to suit, run 'debuild -us -uc'. |
| 08:13.55 | XMR2F77 | !sources |
| 08:13.55 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sources is /etc/apt/sources.list is the file which stores a list of repositories that apt-get/aptitude use for downloading packags. "man sources.list" for a description of its format. If you are using sarge/stable you can use apt-setup to alter this file, also ask me about <mirrors>, <apt-setup>, <apt-spy> |
| 08:14.12 | simonrvn | konerd: read apache2 docs on config option for "Include" |
| 08:14.17 | XMR2F77 | mirrors |
| 08:14.21 | XMR2F77 | !mirrors |
| 08:14.22 | dpkg | hmm... debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 08:14.31 | konerd | simonrvn: k, thks. |
| 08:14.36 | simonrvn | !tell XMR2F77 about msg the bot |
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| 08:15.22 | XMR2F77 | where can sorry |
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| 08:15.28 | XMR2F77 | sorry |
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| 08:15.44 | ColdFyre | piztek3: what was the error |
| 08:15.49 | ColdFyre | they broke it! |
| 08:15.52 | XMR2F77 | where can i find the source.s.list for sid |
| 08:15.55 | konerd | simonrvn: not in /usr/share/doc it seems. |
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| 08:16.20 | piztek3 | i think it was because i installed the legacy on accident |
| 08:16.24 | piztek3 | hold on, brb |
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| 08:16.42 | HISITECH | do y know any thing about the proper working of Linksys access points and its NICs |
| 08:17.48 | HISITECH | linksys NIC are not recognise automatically |
| 08:17.55 | simonrvn | package is apache2-doc |
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| 08:18.31 | piztek3 | she booted a lot faster |
| 08:18.45 | wols_ | HISITECH: what WLAN chip? |
| 08:19.08 | piztek3 | what should I do if it happens again? |
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| 08:19.18 | piztek3 | or what could i investigate further? |
| 08:19.22 | HISITECH | the accesspoint mark is WRTN300 |
| 08:19.43 | piztek3 | ColdFyre: ? |
| 08:19.59 | wols_ | HISITECH: your NICs chip |
| 08:20.23 | wols_ | XMR2F77: same place as alwaqys: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 08:20.46 | piztek3 | are there any repos just full of sweet gnome apps? |
| 08:20.58 | wols_ | piztek3: yes, main is |
| 08:21.14 | ColdFyre | piztek3: honestly not sure off han |
| 08:21.15 | ColdFyre | d |
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| 08:21.44 | HISITECH | there is just the model num wmp300N and it is not recognized |
| 08:21.55 | Guerin | HISITECH: why do we care? |
| 08:22.03 | ColdFyre | i like when people trigger my nick highlight, xhcat wobbles and it makes water splash waves |
| 08:22.22 | Guerin | ColdFyre: beryl? |
| 08:22.26 | HISITECH | why are y here? |
| 08:22.27 | wols_ | HISITECH: your NIC! |
| 08:22.32 | wols_ | network card. not AP |
| 08:22.34 | Guerin | HISITECH: mostly to talk about beer |
| 08:22.37 | ColdFyre | Guerin: yup |
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| 08:22.54 | wols_ | HISITECH: you are obviously here to confuse people with meaningless babble |
| 08:22.58 | Gnea | mmm beer |
| 08:23.03 | Gnea | !confuse HISITECH |
| 08:23.03 | dpkg | Yes, how was their gouda today, HISITECH? breeches of the people's republic of micronesia with extra cheese |
| 08:23.05 | wols_ | !beer Gnea |
| 08:23.05 | ColdFyre | it makes me very less productive but its fun |
| 08:23.08 | Guerin | !irritate HISITECH |
| 08:23.08 | dpkg | HISITECH: Y iz debain so old? where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol U FUX0RZ |
| 08:23.20 | Guerin | Gnea: you stole my thunder! |
| 08:23.42 | Gnea | Guerin: no way, i only borrowed it for a sec |
| 08:24.02 | jerome | Good morning all. I'm having some print quality issue with muttprint (depends on latex) since tetex 2 texlive migration. The fonts are pretty ugly. Any good tip ? |
| 08:24.29 | simonrvn | Guerin: you stole his letter! :P |
| 08:24.34 | jerome | I can't find any bug report, but I am surely not looking at the good place |
| 08:24.35 | Guerin | jerome: have you checked the BTS? |
| 08:24.37 | Nielsen|Work | me grins |
| 08:24.40 | Nielsen|Work | err |
| 08:24.43 | Nielsen|Work | damn keyboard |
| 08:24.50 | Guerin | Gimonrvn: i did not! |
| 08:24.58 | piztek3 | sorry, was afk, what if the poweroff happens again? |
| 08:24.58 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 08:25.06 | piztek3 | ColdFyre: ? |
| 08:25.28 | ColdFyre | piztek3: i'd do the kernel :p |
| 08:25.28 | jerome | Guerin: can't find the incriminated package :/ |
| 08:25.46 | piztek3 | no way it could be the kernel if it happens again |
| 08:25.51 | piztek3 | theres just no way |
| 08:26.13 | wols_ | piztek3: you really sure your hardware is fine? |
| 08:26.18 | wols_ | e.g. memory for example? |
| 08:26.23 | Nielsen|Work | aaw jeez - you know it's monday morning when you have to read the daily dilbert three times before you get it... i think i need more coffee |
| 08:26.39 | cydork | yay! BTS subscription fixed! |
| 08:26.42 | piztek3 | yeah, memory is good |
| 08:26.51 | wols_ | piztek3: how do you know? |
| 08:27.02 | piztek3 | because it runs fine with a windows disk |
| 08:27.12 | wols_ | that's no proof at all |
| 08:27.25 | wols_ | ie. it's meaningless |
| 08:27.27 | simonrvn | windows just hides the nitty gritty from you |
| 08:27.46 | piztek3 | well so does grub |
| 08:27.48 | wols_ | piztek3: it's basically anecdotal evidence |
| 08:27.54 | piztek3 | because it's not telling me the problem anywhere |
| 08:28.01 | wols_ | grub doesn't need any memory. grub is a real mode program for chrissakes |
| 08:28.02 | piztek3 | it must have been a kernel panic |
| 08:28.08 | simonrvn | ...talks dwon to you with meaningless error "messages", and doesn't give you a decent hand job |
| 08:28.11 | wols_ | one that fits in 64kB even |
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| 08:28.21 | simonrvn | oops, did i say that? |
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| 08:28.27 | piztek3 | lol |
| 08:28.38 | wols_ | piztek3: the question is: why does the kernel panic? |
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| 08:28.53 | piztek3 | improper hardware violations |
| 08:28.54 | simonrvn | check kern.log, dmesg |
| 08:28.56 | wols_ | if it were only one kernel that does it: bad kernel version. but since several do it, it's unlikely the kernel |
| 08:29.02 | wols_ | which pretty much only leaves hardware |
| 08:29.06 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 08:29.22 | piztek3 | so then it's the crappy psu i bought |
| 08:29.26 | piztek3 | :D |
| 08:29.29 | wols_ | possible yes |
| 08:29.32 | piztek3 | $50? |
| 08:29.46 | wols_ | price doesn't mean it has to be crappy |
| 08:29.52 | simonrvn | or, bad kernel configuration at build time. seen that happen... but more often than not it's the h/w |
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| 08:30.14 | wols_ | simonrvn: he has the problem with several kernels from different distros, or so he said |
| 08:30.28 | simonrvn | h/w |
| 08:31.08 | simonrvn | one of these days i'll have to get the db server up again... |
| 08:31.40 | saintiss | hi all |
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| 08:31.50 | piztek3 | okay so psu or memory |
| 08:31.55 | saintiss | is there a way to unmount an nfs filesystem if the according host is offline? |
| 08:32.08 | saintiss | It keeps saying device busy |
| 08:32.14 | simonrvn | saintiss: ick, i hate that when it happens |
| 08:32.28 | simonrvn | i usually wait |
| 08:32.48 | saintiss | simonrvn, that doesn't work apparently... it's been like this for days now, and it just doesn't seem to timeout |
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| 08:32.57 | saintiss | I'd like to avoid rebooting |
| 08:33.05 | simonrvn | erm, has it come back up yet? |
| 08:33.12 | simonrvn | the nfsd |
| 08:33.42 | saintiss | simonrvn, no, because the terminal is broken... I did try bringing another host online with the same ip, but that didn't help either |
| 08:33.45 | simonrvn | as soon as the share is exported again, it usually goes back to normal |
| 08:33.48 | saintiss | unless maybe I should start an nfsd there? |
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| 08:35.05 | simonrvn | translation, "that would be a good idea ;)" |
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| 08:36.47 | piztek3 | brb |
| 08:37.23 | XMR2F77 | wols_ i am looking for the sourcelist for sid |
| 08:37.46 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:37.46 | wols_ | there |
| 08:38.27 | cydork | !iyhtays XMR2F77 |
| 08:38.27 | dpkg | XMR2F77: If You Have To Ask, You Shouldn't. |
| 08:38.50 | saintiss | simonrvn, ah, seems to help |
| 08:38.51 | saintiss | thanks :) |
| 08:39.00 | wols_ | cydork: laudable but you know it's pointless |
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| 08:41.24 | cydork | wols_: yeah, seems so.. i don't get it. why the hell people go after sid? |
| 08:44.44 | Gnea | hrm, looks like sid is really broken right now |
| 08:45.24 | simonrvn | saintiss: np |
| 08:45.41 | tarzeau | Gnea: really? what about it? |
| 08:45.47 | hark | it is? |
| 08:45.58 | Gnea | tarzeau: nvidia+Xorg is borked |
| 08:46.03 | Gnea | at least, nvidia-legacy anyway |
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| 08:46.28 | saintiss | simonrvn, hmph, 4 day's cronjobs were blocked due to this problem, so they're running all at once now :) |
| 08:46.33 | tarzeau | i'm glad i use the nvidia binary driver :) |
| 08:46.36 | Gnea | ;l |
| 08:46.40 | kuribas | Does anyone know a good program for converting from audio CD's to mp3 or wma? |
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| 08:46.53 | tarzeau | how can i find out which of these packages are in sid and which not? http://www.phys.ethz.ch/~sengun/allfiles (it's a find on the main part of a debian mirror) |
| 08:47.00 | tarzeau | kuribas: cdda2wav ? |
| 08:47.05 | tarzeau | kuribas: jack does so? |
| 08:47.17 | hark | was the paravirt issue fixed for nvidia? |
| 08:47.25 | kuribas | tarzeau: alright, I'll look at that, thanks! |
| 08:47.44 | Gnea | Nielsen|Work: saves time? you must run gentoo. |
| 08:48.37 | Gnea | hrm, i wonder if there are any console-based dvd players |
| 08:48.58 | Nielsen|Work | ascii-xine ;) |
| 08:49.08 | kuribas | tarzeau: I have to pipe it through an mp3 decoder then? |
| 08:49.18 | tarzeau | kuribas: for example, or just use jack |
| 08:49.28 | tarzeau | Gnea: mplayer |
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| 08:49.36 | Nielsen|Work | http://xinehq.de/images/releases/aaxine.jpg |
| 08:49.37 | tarzeau | Gnea: it has cacalib and aalib output |
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| 08:50.02 | Gnea | (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 08:50.18 | Gnea | tarzeau: i find this highly amusing, it looks like a linker isn't finding it...ugh |
| 08:50.38 | tarzeau | Gnea: was that upgraded to etch? |
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| 08:50.46 | kuribas | tarzeau: Isn't jack for playing music? |
| 08:50.50 | tarzeau | kuribas: no |
| 08:51.16 | jmd | After upgrading to etch, ssh with keyboard/interactive authentication no longer works. |
| 08:51.19 | Gnea | tarzeau: uh, no, i'm running sid on this system |
| 08:51.33 | Gnea | tarzeau: trying to determine if i need to file a bug report or not |
| 08:51.40 | tarzeau | Gnea: same here was it upgraded from xfree to sid? |
| 08:51.47 | jmd | Which is rather troublesome, since most users use that kind of authentication. |
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| 08:52.05 | jmd | The log says pam_setcred(): permission denied |
| 08:52.17 | tarzeau | Gnea: i have sid too and the latest xorg, nvidia binary drivers work, could be a packaging problem (would'nt be the first time with nvidia debian packages) |
| 08:52.27 | Gnea | tarzeau: i haven't run xfree in close to a year, if that |
| 08:52.42 | tarzeau | Gnea: but do you have left overs? |
| 08:52.48 | tarzeau | Gnea: /usr/X11R6 stuff? |
| 08:53.00 | Gnea | tarzeau: i'm actually using legacy nvidia drivers - i held onto the .deb files and just reinstalled them after the upgrade |
| 08:53.08 | Gnea | oic |
| 08:53.22 | Gnea | apparantly so, how the hell?! |
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| 08:53.28 | tarzeau | Gnea: really i don't know, i install nvidia binary drivers, it works |
| 08:53.39 | tarzeau | Gnea: you didn't clean up after your dist-upgrade :) your bug |
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| 08:53.57 | Nemoder | nvidia.com script searches system and renames conflicting .so files |
| 08:53.59 | Gnea | mostly i see manfiles |
| 08:54.03 | Gnea | manpages even |
| 08:54.10 | tarzeau | Nemoder: it also fails on a xfree/xorg mixed system |
| 08:54.14 | Nemoder | yup |
| 08:54.17 | Gnea | Nemoder: we don't support that in debian. |
| 08:54.30 | Gnea | and i haven't used an nvidia .sh in years |
| 08:54.36 | Gnea | so that's way out of the equation |
| 08:55.02 | Nemoder | sorry, I thought that's what tarzeau meant when he said he installed the binary driver |
| 08:55.10 | Gnea | no. |
| 08:55.18 | Gnea | there's an nvidia-kernel-source package |
| 08:55.50 | Nemoder | yeah, I just misread |
| 08:55.53 | Gnea | but there's also an nvidia-kernel-legacy-source for older nvidia cards that nvidia has stopped supporting |
| 08:55.56 | Gnea | :) |
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| 08:58.01 | kuribas | tarzeau: jack is exactly what I was looking for, thanks! |
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| 08:58.39 | xoz | wow, microsoft has 230 patents in linux, http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=39584 |
| 08:58.44 | tarzeau | Gnea: the debian nvidia driver never breaks right? so i wonder if you'll get it to work... |
| 08:59.21 | Gnea | xoz: *in* linux? |
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| 08:59.38 | xoz | yep |
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| 08:59.52 | Gnea | that's bullshit :) |
| 09:00.05 | sheldonh | Gnea: in other words, microsoft hold patents that cover things done in FOSS |
| 09:00.09 | xoz | they want to get money from linux |
| 09:00.19 | sheldonh | Gnea: what makes you think it's bullshit? |
| 09:00.20 | Gnea | sheldonh: yes, i read the original article, thanks. |
| 09:00.30 | Gnea | sheldonh: did you read the article all the way through? |
| 09:00.35 | Gnea | apparantly not. |
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| 09:00.49 | sheldonh | Gnea: what makes you think it's bullshit that microsoft holds patents that cover things done in FOSS? |
| 09:01.10 | Gnea | sheldonh: gah, shut up. |
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| 09:01.51 | sheldonh | as i thought |
| 09:02.11 | Gnea | sheldonh: what makes YOU think that those patents are 100% accurate? |
| 09:02.15 | nomad_cz | Gnea: I think Ms is not stupid. He probably owns those patents :/ |
| 09:02.32 | cydork | apparently they patented _sudo_ after 20 years. i wonder if all the patents are like that.. well enought OT :P |
| 09:02.39 | sheldonh | Gnea: patents are patents. the fact that the USPTO is a joke doesn't change the fact |
| 09:02.54 | nomad_cz | Gnea: And even if not - damage has been done. It will have impact on decision makers :/ |
| 09:03.06 | sheldonh | Gnea: the problem is that the burden of proof lies with the defendant in patent litigation |
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| 09:03.16 | sheldonh | Gnea: you have to prove prior art |
| 09:03.16 | Gnea | sheldonh, nomad_cz: have either of you even read those patents? are you on the same page as MS on this issue? |
| 09:03.33 | sheldonh | Gnea: i can't claim to be on the same page as microsoft |
| 09:03.38 | xoz | this will be interesting in case MS goes public about patent issues. it may be possible there is none and companies paying for MS like novell are simply *stupid* |
| 09:03.47 | nomad_cz | Gnea: Nope. I hate MS. But as I said - it will hurt Linux in any case |
| 09:03.50 | sheldonh | Gnea: but it really doesn't matter whether the patents would be upheld in court. the threat of litigation is serious |
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| 09:04.23 | jmd | The threat of litigation is always present. |
| 09:04.42 | xoz | linux dev is very open so if in case there are patent issues, it will not be intentional and can easily be removed. |
| 09:04.44 | jmd | Patents are only relevant after a court case. |
| 09:04.45 | Slike | hi, how can I check whether PAE support is enabled or not? |
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| 09:06.57 | Gnea | litigation ain't shit, lawsuits ain't shit - the point is that as a result, Linux will take on MS - and there will be less of a monopolistic hold on the desktop - there will be choices. |
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| 09:07.31 | jmd | There is a patent on floating point numbers. Could the kernel function if they were removed? |
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| 09:08.00 | sheldonh | Gnea: no, the point is that vendors who use open source software have cause for concern that microsoft may cause them considerable legal costs |
| 09:08.01 | Gnea | and the stupid people who don't know the difference between a screwdriver and a floppy drive will be able to "oooo" and "aaah" at something other than Vista. |
| 09:08.04 | nomad_cz | jmd: I would say many of those patents could be invalidated in court |
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| 09:08.07 | wols_ | Slike: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 09:08.16 | sheldonh | Gnea: there's a reason novell's marketing people push so hard on their indemnity program. it's a real concern for some serious players |
| 09:08.16 | jmd | nomad_cz, That's true. But who can afford the most expensive lawyer? |
| 09:08.17 | Gnea | sheldonh: if they aren't used to dealing with legal costs in the first place, then they won't be as likely to sink. |
| 09:08.17 | nomad_cz | jmd: Ibm + rh + novell (if it is going to stick with community) |
| 09:08.17 | Gnea | sheldonh: er, then they WILL be likely to sink - sorry, mis-typed that. |
| 09:08.17 | wols_ | sheldonh: novell is pushing that so hard since it's their ONLY perceived trump card against RH |
| 09:08.19 | nomad_cz | jmd: Most hw companies profit from Linux as well |
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| 09:08.20 | Slike | wols_: what should i look for? |
| 09:08.21 | sheldonh | Gnea: exactly. in other words, they're concerned (with good reason) that open source exposes them to new business risks |
| 09:08.21 | wols_ | Slike: PAE |
| 09:08.21 | nomad_cz | jmd: So basically it is politacial issue - they have to choose sides |
| 09:08.21 | Slike | wols_: in the flags section? |
| 09:08.21 | Slike | ok |
| 09:08.21 | Slike | must have looked over it |
| 09:08.22 | Slike | thank you! |
| 09:08.22 | sheldonh | wols_: the point, though, is that it's a perceived trump card at all. gnea seems to be suggesting that microsoft's patent claims are of no concern |
| 09:08.22 | wols_ | Slike: you do use a -686 krenel? |
| 09:08.38 | wols_ | sheldonh: they aren't. at least not legally |
| 09:08.51 | wols_ | all they are is FUD. fud can be of course very effective too however |
| 09:09.20 | wols_ | MS will only really play the lawsuit card if they are in really dire straits (losing money) |
| 09:09.27 | Gnea | sheldonh: i didn't say they are of no concern, i'm just saying that the whole FOSS will, at this point in time, not be as likely to fall as it would have about, oh, say 8 years ago. |
| 09:09.30 | nomad_cz | wols_: They will have no effect on me ;) |
| 09:09.31 | wols_ | you can only play the patent game offensively if you are already losing |
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| 09:09.40 | wols_ | so I hope MS plays this card soon, real soon |
| 09:09.50 | sheldonh | wols_: if the patents exist and cover techniques in software you distribute, they are more than fud. they are a threat |
| 09:10.02 | wols_ | sheldonh: an empty one |
| 09:10.06 | sheldonh | wols_: not a threat of cataclysm, but a threat of legal costs and time |
| 09:10.06 | nomad_cz | wols_: It depends whater their alligations have matter or not |
| 09:10.11 | sheldonh | wols_: no. real |
| 09:10.27 | wols_ | sheldonh: if they were a real threat, the other palyers would already pay money. e.g. RH |
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| 09:10.38 | wols_ | and IBM. but surprise: they don't |
| 09:10.48 | Gnea | sheldonh: but we're not talking about nationwide, this is a global thing now - remember that there are software patent issues in the UK that have set some precedent. |
| 09:10.57 | nomad_cz | wols_: Anyway - we are at war ;) |
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| 09:11.13 | Gnea | nomad_cz: you're only figuring this out now? :) |
| 09:11.31 | sheldonh | wols_: nonsense. it's much cheaper to wait and hope :) |
| 09:11.33 | nomad_cz | Gnea: Nope. But this time I am really upset ;) |
| 09:11.39 | Gnea | hahaha |
| 09:11.47 | wols_ | sheldonh: basically MS really doing something on the patent fronbt (as opposed to the blustering they do now), means they are losing |
| 09:11.55 | sheldonh | Gnea: indeed. my only interest is the global one :) |
| 09:12.08 | wols_ | and: everyone knows this that the patents would be enforced only if the company is already losing in the marketplace |
| 09:12.19 | wols_ | so MS really, really doesn't want to actually wage a patent war |
| 09:12.22 | sheldonh | wols_: microsoft have been losing for quite some time. but they're hurting a lot of businesses along the way |
| 09:12.32 | wols_ | sheldonh: MS hasn't lost shit |
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| 09:12.36 | sts | hello folks |
| 09:12.40 | sheldonh | wols_: you must be joking :) |
| 09:12.41 | Nemoder | so I wonder what novell now thinks of their special deal now that MS is trying so hard to make patent deals with other linux vendors |
| 09:12.42 | wols_ | they get more and more money every qwuarter |
| 09:12.52 | sts | is there a way to keep the created date when copying a file? |
| 09:13.03 | Gnea | wols_: uhm, bill whatshisface (not gates) wants to wage it. |
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| 09:13.05 | wols_ | the only "loss" so far has been vista and that will change over time. since surprise; themarket has no choice but buy it |
| 09:13.06 | guast | hi |
| 09:13.09 | Gnea | or bob |
| 09:13.11 | nomad_cz | wols_: Because they are pushing customers more and more |
| 09:13.20 | sheldonh | wols_: i'm not talking about revenue. revenue as an indicator trails behind consumer perception and market share |
| 09:13.22 | Gnea | or whateve rhis name is (i can't remember because it hurts my brain so much) |
| 09:13.25 | guast | x=0; while [ $x -lt 10 ]; do $x = (( $x+1 )) ; done |
| 09:13.32 | guast | why is wrong? |
| 09:13.39 | wols_ | Gnea: that's BS prep talk mostly |
| 09:13.46 | wols_ | aka "PR" |
| 09:13.51 | sheldonh | guast: take the $ away in $x = |
| 09:13.57 | guast | uhm |
| 09:14.04 | guast | why? |
| 09:14.06 | Gnea | wols_: just about as BS as the PR that comes from SCO |
| 09:14.15 | xoz | more interesting piece: http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/05/28/100033867/index.htm |
| 09:14.18 | guast | to access to the variable |
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| 09:14.23 | guast | is necessary to use $ |
| 09:14.29 | wols_ | Gnea: one distinction: SCO really means it (cause they are desperate), MS doesn't |
| 09:14.31 | Gnea | xoz: isn't that the /. one? |
| 09:14.35 | guast | Doesn't it? |
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| 09:15.04 | Gnea | wols_: then why has MS CEO been on a FUDdy PR campaign about it for years now? |
| 09:15.10 | wols_ | Gnea: cause Linux eats the old Unix share. Linux doesn't eat MS' lunch |
| 09:15.20 | wols_ | basically, Linux kills Solaris, not Windows |
| 09:15.21 | guast | x=0; while [ $x -lt 10 ]; do x= (( $x+1 )) ; done |
| 09:15.23 | nomad_cz | wols_: It does. |
| 09:15.26 | guast | not work |
| 09:15.29 | sheldonh | guast: not to assign to it |
| 09:15.31 | guast | *works |
| 09:15.36 | guast | ah ok |
| 09:15.39 | sheldonh | guast: now you have a space after the assignment operator |
| 09:15.39 | nomad_cz | wols_: We use Linux instead of MS |
| 09:15.45 | guast | ok |
| 09:15.48 | Gnea | wols_: well if SCO would've gotten up off of its ass and innovated instead of crying like a little bitch.... |
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| 09:15.51 | xoz | half of fortune 500 companies are using linux. that's a cow-generating income for MS |
| 09:15.54 | wols_ | Gnea: cause MS wants the Unix share, but linex denis MS this |
| 09:15.59 | Gnea | wols_: and no, Solaris is thriving, so is AIX |
| 09:16.14 | wols_ | Gnea: this is not about SCO. sco never was a player, ever |
| 09:16.19 | sheldonh | guast: in the shell, assignments take the form var=value -- no whitespace. so much so, that whitespace in the value must be quoted or escaped |
| 09:16.28 | guast | doesen't work:s :( x=0; while [ $x -lt 10 ]; do x = (( $x+1 )) ; done |
| 09:16.36 | Gnea | wols_: Sun and IBM got smart - Gates knew that and took advantage of it |
| 09:16.37 | wols_ | Gnea: yeah right.... Solaris is dying. which is why Sun wants to open it |
| 09:16.37 | guast | ahh okkk |
| 09:16.45 | wols_ | they don't open it out of the pure of their hearts |
| 09:16.49 | Gnea | wols_: exactly, SCO just never 'got it' |
| 09:17.03 | guast | x=0; while [ $x -lt 10 ]; do x=(( $x+1 )) ; done |
| 09:17.05 | wols_ | and neither does IBM embrace Linux instead of AIX: they all saw that their proprietary shit is at an end |
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| 09:17.15 | sheldonh | guast: there you go |
| 09:17.17 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 09:17.17 | dpkg | <PerfDave> scooper: You're running XP on your firewall? <scooper> PerfDave kind of, XP is my desktop, it has the ADSL and shares this with the rest of the network |
| 09:17.21 | guast | bash: syntax error near unexpected token `(' |
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| 09:17.40 | sheldonh | guast: no wait. while [ $x -lt 10 ]; do x=$(( $x+1 )) ; done |
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| 09:17.52 | Gnea | wols_: i disagree. AIX has taken a strong position in Australia recently over Linux... or did I read some FUD? |
| 09:17.54 | guast | uhm |
| 09:17.55 | sheldonh | guast: what shell documentation have you been reading? throw it away :) |
| 09:18.07 | tarzeau | guast: you can do for x in {0..9}; do echo $x; done ? |
| 09:18.16 | wols_ | Gnea: then why is IBM emrbacing Linux instead of AIX? |
| 09:18.21 | tarzeau | guast: in zsh :) |
| 09:18.21 | sheldonh | tarzeau: but that's a bashism |
| 09:18.39 | guast | I'm reading Bash teach yourself shell programming in 24 H |
| 09:18.40 | tarzeau | sheldonh: no bash can't do it :) |
| 09:18.40 | guast | ok :)) |
| 09:18.40 | sheldonh | guast: ah. well you're bound to make mistakes in 24 hours :) |
| 09:18.40 | tarzeau | sheldonh: and seq doesn't exist on freebsd |
| 09:18.45 | sheldonh | tarzeau: even worse, then :) |
| 09:18.47 | guast | lool |
| 09:18.47 | tarzeau | sheldonh: i'd just use seq 0 9 |
| 09:18.50 | sheldonh | tarzeau: freebsd has jot instead |
| 09:18.52 | Gnea | wols_: because they still have shareholder investment in AIX. |
| 09:18.56 | tarzeau | sheldonh: wrong name |
| 09:19.04 | sheldonh | tarzeau: jot 10 |
| 09:19.05 | tarzeau | sheldonh: that's freebsdism |
| 09:19.09 | tarzeau | sheldonh: jot my ass :) |
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| 09:19.22 | sheldonh | tarzeau: yes. neither seq nor jot or SUSv2 |
| 09:19.22 | guast | thanks guys :) |
| 09:19.27 | sheldonh | tarzeau: yes. neither seq nor jot _are_ SUSv2 |
| 09:19.32 | wols_ | Gnea: they mebrace Linux instead of AIX cause they have shareholder investement in AIX. SYNTAX ERROR |
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| 09:19.43 | Gnea | wols_: did you honestly think that IBM dropped AIX altogether and simply went with Linux all at once? |
| 09:19.50 | nomad_cz | guast: for i in $(seq 0 10);do echo $i; done |
| 09:19.58 | sheldonh | tarzeau: what guast is learning is a portable way to iterate in a shell script |
| 09:20.10 | guast | the problem is this: |
| 09:20.12 | sheldonh | nomad_cz: not portable |
| 09:20.14 | wols_ | Gnea: you don't make sense. of course they keep AIX around for quite some time, especially since they are IBM. |
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| 09:20.30 | wols_ | but read what you said: you make no sense |
| 09:20.31 | nomad_cz | sheldonh: Hmm ;) |
| 09:20.37 | guast | why while [ $x -lt 10 ]; do x=$(( $x+1 )) ; done works and x=(( 4+5 )) |
| 09:20.37 | guast | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:20.49 | Gnea | wols_: don't tell me i don't make sense without giving a concrete reason. |
| 09:21.02 | sheldonh | guast: because $(( )) is the arithmetic evaluation syntax and (( )) is not |
| 09:21.08 | guast | uhm |
| 09:21.10 | wols_ | Gnea: then why is IBM emrbacing Linux instead of AIX? Gnea> wols_: because they still have shareholder investment in AIX. |
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| 09:21.11 | fargiolas | how long does packages.debian.org take to reflect new packages in the pool? |
| 09:21.14 | xoz | IBM doesnt want to spend money innovating AIX, linux got the world of developers for free |
| 09:21.20 | azeem | fargiolas: 1-3 days or so |
| 09:21.21 | sheldonh | guast: you may find more help on #bash |
| 09:21.27 | wols_ | they embrace Linux cause they have investment in AIX? that is nonsensical |
| 09:21.30 | fargiolas | azeem: tnx |
| 09:21.30 | azeem | fargiolas: at least 12-24 hours I think |
| 09:21.30 | peterrooney | guast: maybe should start with x=1 somewhere? |
| 09:21.39 | guast | thanks |
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| 09:21.50 | guast | x=$(( 4+5 )) |
| 09:21.58 | guast | it's ok |
| 09:21.59 | guast | now |
| 09:22.05 | guast | thanks very much |
| 09:22.12 | nomad_cz | I wonder what's the Novell's role in it :/ |
| 09:22.13 | fargiolas | azeem: and to pass from unstable to testing? |
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| 09:22.16 | wols_ | xoz: yes. they saw that AIX is not cost effective so they are dropping it long term. same for Sun with solaris (they try it a little different by opening solaris directly) |
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| 09:22.25 | sheldonh | guast: enjoy |
| 09:22.31 | guast | :)) |
| 09:22.34 | Gnea | wols_: get with the program - shareholders VOTE on shit that they know WORKS. AIX has had very strong support long before Linux came along. It hasn't gone away yet and it won't go away for quite awhile. |
| 09:22.36 | wols_ | but both is happening cause Linux (and BSD to a lesser extent) is eating their lunch in OSes |
| 09:22.45 | azeem | fargiolas: that depends on the package |
| 09:22.57 | azeem | fargiolas: usually at least 10 days |
| 09:22.57 | xoz | wols_: without communit support, there dev is nothing. open source model WINS hands down |
| 09:23.10 | fargiolas | azeem: ok thanks again |
| 09:23.17 | Gnea | wols_: why do you think Apple embraced FreeBSD? Because their shareholders helped vote it in. |
| 09:23.30 | xoz | java is opening, flash is opening.... soon more to come |
| 09:23.35 | Gnea | "hi, we want to go in a direction." "okay." |
| 09:23.37 | wols_ | Gnea: I am sure there are some VAXen with VMS out there chugging along. so VMS still exists. but VMS is still a zombie |
| 09:23.48 | Gnea | wols_: so? |
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| 09:24.01 | wols_ | Gnea: long term, AIX exists int he same way as VMS |
| 09:24.06 | Gnea | wols_: that's stability. |
| 09:24.21 | sheldonh | Gnea: if you think shareholders steer companies, i urge you to read The Economics of Innocent Fraud |
| 09:24.30 | sheldonh | Gnea: excellent book, quick read |
| 09:24.35 | wols_ | Gnea: yes, but it's also NO MONEY for IBM. just like VMS is basically no money for HP |
| 09:24.42 | Gnea | sheldonh: thanks, i'll check it out |
| 09:25.18 | sheldonh | wols_: you said vms. we have to kill you now, sorry |
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| 09:25.37 | wols_ | sheldonh: why? |
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| 09:26.02 | wols_ | it's a perfectly cromulent OS. just a bit wordy... |
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| 09:26.11 | solemnwarning | Hi all |
| 09:26.20 | sheldonh | wols_: what does cromulent mean? |
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| 09:26.39 | solemnwarning | I want to setup a machine which starts services when another server goes down, namely dhcp3-server |
| 09:26.43 | wols_ | sheldonh: I'd still want the VMS filesystem with versioning on my linux box |
| 09:27.02 | wols_ | sheldonh: drove me batty those ;1 ;2, etc things back then until I figured them out |
| 09:27.17 | sheldonh | wols_: even after i figured them out :) |
| 09:27.49 | wols_ | sheldonh: but for certain directories like ~, it would be oh so handy |
| 09:28.06 | Gnea | solemnwarning: you need something like heartbeat then |
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| 09:29.46 | AbdusSalam | does debian support SATA ATAPI dvd/cd optical drives |
| 09:29.47 | AbdusSalam | ? |
| 09:30.02 | Gnea | AbdusSalam: yes, that's kernel-level. |
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| 09:30.41 | AbdusSalam | thanks Gnea |
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| 09:31.39 | Gnea | i thought i had it all cleaned out months ago |
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| 09:33.23 | orbin | hi, my laptop's cpu doesn't seem to be scaling down to conserve power. it's an amd sempron. any ideas on where to begin please? |
| 09:34.08 | AbdusSalam | my hardware: http://pastebin.ca/487170 am i going to have any trouble installing debian? |
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| 09:35.24 | AbdusSalam | it took forever to get my soundcard and graphic cards to work under freebsd , now i found out that freebsd doesnt support SATA ATAPI dvd/cd optical drives |
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| 09:35.47 | Gnea | AbdusSalam: should be fine. did you build that yourself? |
| 09:35.51 | AbdusSalam | how does an operating system use a drive it doesnt support to install itself? |
| 09:35.59 | AbdusSalam | Gnea yes |
| 09:36.03 | yettenet | Hi there... when I try to install libgnutls11, it says that there is no installation candidate |
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| 09:36.13 | yettenet | What could be the problem? |
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| 09:36.54 | sheldonh | orbin: install laptop_mode, set CONTROL_CPU_FREQUENCY=1 in /etc/laptop_mode/laptop_mode.conf, add cpufreq_conservative and speedstep_centrino (or whatever) to /etc/modules, modprobe those modules and /etc/init.d/laptop_mode restart |
| 09:36.57 | Gnea | AbdusSalam: Etch should support it just fine |
| 09:37.31 | Gnea | AbdusSalam: the beautiful thing about sata is that linux sees it and thinks "SCSI!!!" |
| 09:37.34 | harpi | O dear gods of the unspoken language of linux. i deperly seek your audience as i am not know in unspoken languages. i have a internal network problem (debian trying to talk to ubuntu) and it acquires PM to somewhat protect my privacy. who is in for it? i tried http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-alpha.xml?part=1&chap=3 and http://www.linuxheadquarters.com/howto/networking/networkconfig.shtml and (desperate) i installed firestarter b |
| 09:37.37 | AbdusSalam | Gnea Intel Core 2 Duo amd64 or i386? |
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| 09:38.14 | Gnea | AbdusSalam: tough call. i'd split the HD in half and install i386 on one half and amd64 on the other half. |
| 09:38.16 | yettenet | Re... sorry, I crashed |
| 09:38.33 | yettenet | so, about my installation candidate problem - anyone with any idea? |
| 09:38.36 | FuzzyB | Harpi: no one is going to pm with you over a network problem |
| 09:38.42 | AbdusSalam | : -p i need to choose one |
| 09:38.57 | FuzzyB | amd64 if your using a core 2 duo |
| 09:39.22 | harpi | FuzzyB: you think it is oke to post my ip in here? |
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| 09:39.31 | Gnea | harpi: we are human beings, not gods. |
| 09:39.32 | orbin | sheldonh: thanks very much. will have a crack at that. |
| 09:39.38 | FuzzyB | it doesn't matter we can just whois you and get it anyways |
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| 09:40.05 | Gnea | harpi: you mean this one? 82.170.230.167 |
| 09:40.07 | FuzzyB | 82.170.230.167 |
| 09:40.12 | FuzzyB | that ring a bell? |
| 09:40.12 | harpi | FuzzyB:oh oke |
| 09:41.05 | FuzzyB | it's just dsl |
| 09:41.05 | FuzzyB | not like it's some oc-48 atm link |
| 09:41.05 | harpi | oke :-[ |
| 09:41.06 | Gnea | and we know you're in the netherlands |
| 09:41.30 | FuzzyB | and we know who to contact if you start to abuse it |
| 09:41.42 | Gnea | that doesn't entitle us to 'god' status |
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| 09:42.01 | harpi | FuzzyB: no worrys mate |
| 09:42.06 | FuzzyB | abuse@tiscali.nl |
| 09:42.09 | sheldonh | orbin: you could try cpufreqd/cpufrequtils instead, but laptop_mode does other cute things than just control scaling |
| 09:42.30 | harpi | i am talking to you tru my ubuntu machine with has a wireless cart set up. so far it is fine. it also has a buildin networkkart eth0 |
| 09:42.30 | harpi | inet addr:169.254.95.243 Bcast:169.254.255.255 Mask:255.255.0.0 wich is connected to the "uplink" on my hub |
| 09:42.30 | harpi | ifconfig on the debian machine show eth1 as my buildin cart from here i can not ping 169.254.95.243 "network unreachable" |
| 09:42.44 | sheldonh | orbin: be sure to use conservative instead of ondemand. ondemand drops freq too aggressively. should be a simple s/ondemand/conservative/ in /etc/laptop_mode/laptop_mode.conf |
| 09:42.52 | Gnea | harpi: try not to paste either, it's rude and you will get kicked for it. |
| 09:42.53 | FuzzyB | that's because |
| 09:42.57 | Gnea | !pastebin |
| 09:42.57 | dpkg | it has been said that pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.ca/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 09:43.05 | FuzzyB | 169.254 is a special block |
| 09:43.10 | FuzzyB | that you should not be using |
| 09:43.15 | FuzzyB | read rfc 1918 and rfc 2054 |
| 09:43.43 | AbdusSalam | debian-40r0-amd64-netinst.iso ?? |
| 09:43.52 | FuzzyB | sure |
| 09:43.54 | harpi | sory, sory. i am all new to this so... |
| 09:44.04 | Gnea | harpi: 169.254.x.x is a temporary-placement IP that's put there in the event that the interface cannot reach anything. |
| 09:44.13 | FuzzyB | harpi: find a basic networking guide and start there |
| 09:44.21 | Gnea | harpi: it's okay, no need to apologize, just... don't apologize :) |
| 09:44.24 | FuzzyB | Gnea: which is defined in rfc 2054 |
| 09:44.28 | Gnea | FuzzyB: yup |
| 09:44.55 | harpi | but i did the basic networking guide (see links above) |
| 09:45.10 | FuzzyB | yes |
| 09:45.13 | AbdusSalam | has anyone managed to get two (dual sli) nvidia cards working together under debian? |
| 09:45.18 | FuzzyB | but you don't understand networking |
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| 09:45.37 | harpi | FuzzyB: that is treu |
| 09:45.42 | FuzzyB | you need to keep reading |
| 09:45.49 | FuzzyB | even more now |
| 09:45.54 | Nemoder | harpi: if you are trying to share a single internet connection with multiple computers you will have to setup a proxy or NAT |
| 09:45.59 | FuzzyB | http://linux-ip.net/html/index.html |
| 09:46.02 | Gnea | harpi: keep reading - and try things out as you go - experiment |
| 09:46.08 | FuzzyB | http://lartc.org/howto/index.html |
| 09:46.20 | FuzzyB | read both of thowe |
| 09:46.22 | FuzzyB | those |
| 09:46.31 | Gnea | harpi: make sure you're using the correct ethernet cables as well |
| 09:46.56 | FuzzyB | and if both your cards are gbE you can safely ignore that |
| 09:46.58 | Gnea | harpi: the links that FuzzyB just posted are excellent. |
| 09:47.12 | harpi | FuzzyB: i can not break anything as i keep trying? |
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| 09:47.29 | FuzzyB | you might break something sure |
| 09:47.33 | FuzzyB | but then you'll learn to fix it |
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| 09:47.49 | FuzzyB | breaking and fixing are a part of life |
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| 09:47.50 | Gnea | you don't learn if you don't try. |
| 09:47.56 | FuzzyB | what makes you think that stops when it comes to computers |
| 09:48.00 | Gnea | reading won't get you anywhere if you don't apply it |
| 09:48.13 | harpi | oke i dig in to it |
| 09:48.28 | Gnea | !beer FuzzyB |
| 09:48.34 | Nemoder | harpi: if you only need web access a proxy is simple to setup and won't break anything, if you need full net access on the 2nd computer then you'll need NAT which is a bit more complicated |
| 09:49.15 | harpi | Nemoder: yes i need full internet |
| 09:49.55 | harpi | Nemoder: and file sharing as well |
| 09:49.55 | Nemoder | harpi: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Masquerading-Simple-HOWTO/intro.html this may help |
| 09:50.26 | Gnea | :) |
| 09:50.32 | orbin | sheldonh: right, thanks. i can't seem to modprobe the equivalent speedstep_centrino module. i think i need powernow_k7, but i'm guessing i don't have it as it spits out a no such device error |
| 09:50.44 | vyrus001 | what is the name of the program that synchs the xclip board and the conole clip board? i forgot the name of the package? |
| 09:51.06 | harpi | oke i have enough reading for now. better get to it....thanks |
| 09:51.38 | Gnea | harpi: good luck |
| 09:51.45 | sheldonh | orbin: yeah, i'm not sure what freqmod module you need on your hardware, hence the "or whatever" :) |
| 09:52.24 | sheldonh | orbin: maybe acpi-cpufreq ? |
| 09:52.52 | orbin | sheldonh: dunno. :) searching around now. |
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| 09:56.39 | tarzeau | AIX is dead |
| 09:57.37 | hark | heh, no it is not! |
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| 09:59.09 | hark | http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/01/30/209247 |
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| 10:00.14 | solemnwarning | I want to configure heartbeat for running a script when a server goes up/down, should I use heartbeat or heartbeat2? |
| 10:00.31 | athame | how do i change the links to my hdd parittions i see under the 'computer' icon on my debian etch desktop? |
| 10:01.18 | pwnt | athame: gconf-editor for nautilus |
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| 10:03.31 | athame | chemaja, where from there? |
| 10:04.22 | solemnwarning | anyone? |
| 10:04.32 | solemnwarning | Would writing some kind of ping script be easier? |
| 10:04.42 | hark | just saying gconf-editor alone is not helpful |
| 10:05.22 | athame | hark, could you help please? |
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| 10:05.40 | sheldonh | sometimes, debian is just weird. executables from ruby gems are installed in /var/lib/gems/1.8/bin -- on other platforms, they go somewhere sensible |
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| 10:05.56 | Gnea | solemnwarning: dunno, maybe you should read the heartbeat howto |
| 10:06.05 | hark | it probably picks it from /media, but dunno :) |
| 10:06.15 | solemnwarning | There's a v1 and v2 howto |
| 10:06.47 | Gnea | i would go with the latest |
| 10:07.03 | athame | okay. thanks hark |
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| 10:07.18 | orbin | sheldonh: if i go by this: http://technowizah.com/2007/01/debian-how-to-cpu-frequency-management.html i should be using powernow_k7, but: http://pastebin.ca/index.php?a=n ... as you can see, the apparently more generic module won't add either. |
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| 10:08.08 | orbin | sheldonh: sorry, pastebin link is here: http://pastebin.ca/487214 |
| 10:08.49 | hark | chemaja: oops, didn't read nautilus there :) |
| 10:10.07 | athame | hark, then should it be "gconf-editor nautilus" ? |
| 10:10.43 | hark | athame: no, he probably meant to look under /apps/nautilus using gconf-editor |
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| 10:11.37 | hark | athame: what do you want to change exactly? |
| 10:11.58 | athame | hark, the icons visible inside the 'computer' container on the desktop |
| 10:12.06 | athame | the links to which they point |
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| 10:12.45 | tarzeau | can you open this url in firefox? http://links.twibright.com/project.html |
| 10:13.09 | athame | because i have my ntfs partitions mounted directly under / |
| 10:13.16 | solemnwarning | Is there a way I can make ping exit after 10 seconds of no replies? |
| 10:13.35 | tarzeau | xand: it crashed also for you? and restore session doesn't work as well? |
| 10:13.51 | xand | i dont use restore session, but it made firefox-bin use 100% CPU |
| 10:14.01 | tarzeau | xand: should i file a bug? |
| 10:14.26 | xand | if you like |
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| 10:14.33 | tarzeau | xand: i don't care :) |
| 10:15.12 | athame | solemnwarning, its ping -W <timeinseconds> |
| 10:15.24 | hark | it's another one of anti FF tarzeau links :) |
| 10:15.35 | tarzeau | hark: heh :) |
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| 10:15.56 | sheldonh | orbin: sorry, mate. you're out of my range on this one :( |
| 10:16.34 | orbin | sheldonh: nah, no sweat. i think i may have a stab at it being i'm not running the k7 kernel perhaps. |
| 10:17.22 | orbin | i'll hunt around a bit more. thanks for your help anyways. |
| 10:17.24 | Gnea | hey has anyone tried any of those off-the-shelf VoIP phones with debian? Like the ones at Walmart in the electronics department? |
| 10:17.53 | koyas | simple question: when the debian installer asks if i have more than one cd available, and i have only one DVD, should I say i have more than one cd or no? |
| 10:17.56 | sheldonh | any eclipse users? i've migrated from gentoo to debian, and now eclipse won't show me failure traces in unit tests |
| 10:18.20 | frank | koyas: no |
| 10:18.26 | koyas | thanks |
| 10:18.40 | cydork | sheldonh: which version were you using in gentoo? |
| 10:18.48 | Gnea | sheldonh: been awhile... did you migrate your ~/.eclipse dir? |
| 10:19.01 | sheldonh | Gnea: yeah. perhaps i should have started fresh? |
| 10:19.05 | sheldonh | cydork: 3.2.1 |
| 10:19.10 | cydork | tarzeau: wtf was that? java with 100% cpu :P |
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| 10:19.23 | tarzeau | cydork: not my web page! |
| 10:19.33 | Gnea | sheldonh: give it a shot and see what happens |
| 10:19.40 | sheldonh | *gulp(* |
| 10:19.41 | tarzeau | Gnea: i hate asterisk |
| 10:19.45 | sheldonh | by by vi plugin :) |
| 10:19.46 | Gnea | sheldonh: i usually just mv .eclipse dot_eclipse |
| 10:20.11 | Gnea | tarzeau: that's not what i asked :) |
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| 10:26.50 | niru | what is the equivalent of times new roman in linux as of windows |
| 10:27.09 | niru | addict, what is the equivalent of times new roman in linux as of windows |
| 10:27.14 | Eclipser | .. |
| 10:27.22 | Eclipser | times new roman |
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| 10:29.03 | niru | Eclipser, I nned an equivalent of Times new roman in linux |
| 10:29.08 | niru | that is openoffice |
| 10:29.12 | niru | font |
| 10:30.38 | hark | hmm, even noscript did not stop that :\ |
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| 10:31.45 | Eclipser | niru, msttcorefonts package |
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| 10:32.24 | hark | yeah, but he wants a similar font probably |
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| 10:32.53 | niru | hark, yup |
| 10:32.54 | Eclipser | hark, what's more similar to times new roman than times new roman itself? |
| 10:32.59 | Eclipser | (times new roman is a horrible font imo, but then again, openoffice is a horrible program... real men use LaTeX) |
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| 10:33.56 | Gnea | okay, this is pissing me off now. X still won't run. |
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| 10:34.54 | hark | niru: i think Nimbus Roman or something.. |
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| 10:35.14 | Nemoder | niru: ttf-bitstream-vera is pretty good |
| 10:35.17 | hark | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Times_New_Roman |
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| 10:35.33 | karmatronic | hi buddies |
| 10:35.34 | gb00ix | hi , are there in linux life-cycle events which you can use ? |
| 10:35.38 | Trewas | niru: redhat's liberation fonts have a times new roman substitute, but I don't think it is packaged yet in debian, https://www.redhat.com/promo/fonts/ |
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| 10:36.38 | niru | Trewas, Nemoder Hark,ok thank you |
| 10:37.15 | hark | http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/08/18/1847218 |
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| 10:37.43 | XMR2F77 | hi, is this an install iso and do i only need this one ---->debian-40r0-i386-kde-CD-1.iso |
| 10:38.12 | XMR2F77 | just that one instead of all the rest of iso cds |
| 10:38.15 | hark | yes, you can get by with a netinst too |
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| 10:39.27 | XMR2F77 | netinstall is default *desktop gnome i thought |
| 10:39.50 | FuzzyB | it is |
| 10:39.53 | petemc | is it? |
| 10:39.58 | Nielsen|Work | yeah |
| 10:39.58 | FuzzyB | far as i know |
| 10:39.59 | hark | yeah, maybe, but you can install gnome manually later on too |
| 10:40.00 | petemc | how so, its just the base system |
| 10:40.02 | FuzzyB | i don't ever install kde |
| 10:40.06 | hark | er, KDE :) |
| 10:40.09 | Nemoder | does the net installer even have a desktop environment? |
| 10:40.16 | FuzzyB | petemc: it's just the base system on the cd |
| 10:40.18 | hark | tasksel |
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| 10:40.20 | Nemoder | just choose the de you want on install |
| 10:40.20 | XMR2F77 | :) |
| 10:40.24 | Nielsen|Work | i just use it to install a barebone, change to unstable and then apt-get install kde kdm |
| 10:40.32 | hark | the desktop-base is gnome |
| 10:40.35 | FuzzyB | it will go over the net and get the desktop packages if you ask it to |
| 10:40.52 | FuzzyB | use businesscard iso then |
| 10:40.55 | petemc | thats stretching the use of the word "default" |
| 10:40.58 | FuzzyB | and install only the base system |
| 10:41.12 | Nemoder | does tasksel have an option for kde? |
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| 10:41.38 | hark | not for the netinst afaik |
| 10:41.38 | petemc | does etch have tasksel? |
| 10:41.45 | hark | heh, yes |
| 10:42.06 | FuzzyB | for for net or business card |
| 10:42.12 | FuzzyB | i don't know about the cd or dvd sets |
| 10:42.16 | FuzzyB | i never use them |
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| 10:42.54 | Ch0Hag | I cannot get apt to trust the keys it has. |
| 10:42.54 | liable | Nemoder: depends on the cd |
| 10:42.56 | Nemoder | oh well, just run the net installer and choose to run aptitude instead of tasksel and select kde |
| 10:43.04 | Ch0Hag | Or maybe it just doesn't accept that they're there. |
| 10:43.08 | liable | Nemoder: thats the best bet |
| 10:43.14 | Ch0Hag | I know this is likely to be an FAQ, but I have read the various things I can find on it and it won't go away. |
| 10:43.21 | liable | petemc: yeah |
| 10:43.27 | gb00ix | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:43.37 | AbdusSalam | is richard stallman gay? |
| 10:43.45 | tarzeau | AbdusSalam: no |
| 10:43.47 | AbdusSalam | and what happened to that eric raymond character? |
| 10:44.01 | petemc | AbdusSalam: very much not, he loves the ladies |
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| 10:44.30 | AbdusSalam | do you know him personally ? |
| 10:44.37 | petemc | ive met him |
| 10:45.19 | XMR2F77 | Nielson|Work what about x or does apt-get install kde kdm take care of the rest? |
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| 10:45.29 | hark | !install kde |
| 10:45.29 | dpkg | i guess install kde is In sarge/etch/lenny, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 10:45.31 | Nemoder | ya kde depends on x |
| 10:45.34 | AbdusSalam | peace im out |
| 10:45.47 | hark | XMR2F77: aptitude install xorg kdm kdewhatever |
| 10:46.30 | hark | XMR2F77: that kdewhatever as per the factoid above :) |
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| 10:55.43 | Tricc | Can anybody suggest howto fix my compiler? Current error is: configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
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| 10:56.16 | petemc | Tricc: libc6-dev fixed that, i think - or just install build-essential |
| 10:57.04 | Tricc | Thanks, i'll give it a try. |
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| 10:57.36 | amerej | will my old laptops 10gb be enough for etch+lamp+gnome or kde ? |
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| 10:58.07 | EdLin | amerej: depends on what you're doing with lamp |
| 10:58.37 | EdLin | amerej: you may want something different than KDE/GNOME. I think it will fit, but it would be a close one perhaps |
| 10:58.41 | amerej | want to use it for developing |
| 10:58.42 | hark | how much ram? |
| 10:58.48 | amerej | im a php developer |
| 10:59.08 | amerej | 192mb ram |
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| 10:59.37 | Nielsen|Work | ctp: did you check kuser ? |
| 10:59.37 | hark | yeah, will be manageable.. just don't run iceweasel ;) |
| 11:00.42 | amerej | hark: how much space could it take ? |
| 11:00.42 | hark | gnome has a reduced resources option or you can use another wm. and you can disable all gui effects in KDE |
| 11:00.45 | Gnea | okay, got a bad problem with Xorg+nvidia-legacy in sid: http://pastebin.ca/487259 |
| 11:01.05 | Gnea | it says it can't find nvidia.. and yet... it's installed! |
| 11:01.23 | EdLin | amerej: I'd reccomend running something different than gnome or KDE if you are concerned about space. |
| 11:01.51 | Nielsen|Work | Gnea: did you install from nvidia.com or with apt-get? |
| 11:01.59 | amerej | yeah thats what i think too |
| 11:02.07 | Gnea | Nielsen|Work: apt-get of course |
| 11:02.08 | amerej | but i would like to know numbers :P |
| 11:02.35 | amerej | a simple kde installation how space could take ? |
| 11:02.41 | hark | amerej: you shouldn't have to worry about that.. 3GB maybe |
| 11:02.46 | amerej | k |
| 11:02.47 | amerej | :) |
| 11:02.48 | Nielsen|Work | Gnea: did you check 'lsmod nvidia' ? |
| 11:02.51 | Gnea | gcc (GCC) 4.1.3 20070429 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-6) <-- if that helps |
| 11:02.52 | lhadji | Do you need some help Gnea ? |
| 11:03.02 | Nielsen|Work | Gnea: or modinfo nvidia |
| 11:03.16 | EdLin | amerej: well, that *is* one-third of your 10G drive... |
| 11:03.21 | Gnea | Nielsen|Work: i can load it just fine via cli and unload it - i get the same error message either way |
| 11:03.34 | Gnea | Nielsen|Work: yeah, modinfo works |
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| 11:03.59 | hark | amerej: that's including Gnome as well.. anyway you can install core packages for each if you want to reduce bloat) |
| 11:04.01 | Nielsen|Work | Gnea: find /usr/lib/xorg | grep -i nvidia |
| 11:04.09 | Nemoder | XFCE is a pretty nice DE for older systems |
| 11:04.12 | Gnea | Nielsen|Work: if i switch it to the standard "nv" driver, X will load |
| 11:04.20 | hark | amerej: /masg dpkg install gnome and /msg dpkg install kde |
| 11:04.23 | Nielsen|Work | Gnea: well we don't want that ;) |
| 11:04.39 | Gnea | Nielsen|Work: well, at least we know that X is able to load ;) |
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| 11:05.35 | Gnea | Nielsen|Work: http://pastebin.ca/487263 |
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| 11:05.40 | EdLin | dpkg: welcome back |
| 11:05.40 | dpkg | it's good to be home :) |
| 11:06.03 | Nielsen|Work | Gnea: looks very much like mine... |
| 11:06.14 | Gnea | Nielsen|Work: are you using sid? |
| 11:06.48 | Nielsen|Work | Gnea: unstable, lenny |
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| 11:06.58 | Gnea | !branch |
| 11:06.59 | dpkg | methinks branch is what version of Debian you're using; etch/stable, lenny/testing, sid/unstable |
| 11:07.10 | Gnea | Nielsen|Work: negatory, lenny is testing. sid is unstable. |
| 11:07.33 | Gnea | so if unstable is in /etc/apt/sources.list then yes, you're using sid |
| 11:07.41 | Nielsen|Work | oh well, i got both in my sources.list |
| 11:07.46 | Gnea | uh |
| 11:07.49 | Gnea | that ain't right |
| 11:07.58 | Gnea | you should have one or the other |
| 11:08.00 | Nielsen|Work | its my bitch, it makes it right |
| 11:08.08 | Gnea | rofl |
| 11:08.13 | Nemoder | using apt pinning? |
| 11:08.42 | Nielsen|Work | i got testing and unstable in my sources.list, and then update, dist-upgrade, and thats where i am |
| 11:08.56 | tarzeau | you can't mix them |
| 11:09.03 | Gnea | well, you can |
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| 11:09.15 | Gnea | but if something breaks, that's on you |
| 11:09.18 | Nielsen|Work | i'm not, it favours unstable |
| 11:09.27 | tarzeau | Gnea: it's not supported, it's not normal |
| 11:09.35 | tarzeau | it's wrong |
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| 11:09.44 | Gnea | i don't give a flying fuck - i X to work |
| 11:09.44 | tarzeau | don't do that! |
| 11:09.48 | Nielsen|Work | well, let me have my fun ;) |
| 11:09.55 | tarzeau | Nielsen|Work: it's not supported |
| 11:10.02 | hark | http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Debian/2007-05/msg02026.html |
| 11:10.05 | Nielsen|Work | tarzeau: well it still works |
| 11:10.06 | Nemoder | Nielsen|Work: http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html |
| 11:10.08 | Gnea | tarzeau: hey, i'm the one with the problem here. ME ME ME |
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| 11:10.12 | tarzeau | Nielsen|Work: it's broken |
| 11:10.34 | Nemoder | granted it's a little late for pinning |
| 11:10.36 | Nemoder | but good info anyway |
| 11:10.45 | hark | !dbugs 421028 |
| 11:10.48 | dpkg | #421028:I[nvidia-glx-legacy] nvidia-glx-legacy: doesn't include nvidia_drv.so, which makes the driver unloadable by X; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 22:27:01 UTC |
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| 11:11.05 | Nielsen|Work | i don't care if its broken or not, i still works, and it doesnt complain when i dist-upgrade |
| 11:11.06 | tarzeau | !bobbitt |
| 11:11.07 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system. |
| 11:11.20 | Nielsen|Work | lol |
| 11:11.21 | tarzeau | Nielsen|Work: i hope lorena bobbitt visits you in the night |
| 11:11.46 | tarzeau | Gnea: what's the problem? |
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| 11:12.32 | Nielsen|Work | tarzeau: is she hot? |
| 11:12.49 | tarzeau | Nielsen|Work: http://images.google.com/images?q=lorena%20bobbitt&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi |
| 11:13.36 | tarzeau | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorena_Bobbitt |
| 11:13.38 | jatt | !lol |
| 11:13.38 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 11:14.18 | hark | tarzeau: ha, client=firefox ;) |
| 11:14.28 | tarzeau | hark: i'm at work |
| 11:14.37 | hark | ah, yes :) |
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| 11:19.48 | perlmonkey | I moved my /home/user file to nfs and tried to sync uid on 3 machines and now my system is screwed/very unstable... cant run kde/gnome at all, running xfce at present, but some apps (openoffice, thunar etc) just lock up and wont run properly |
| 11:20.17 | perlmonkey | is there a quick fix/simple solution to this? I have a feeling it's related to permissions/leftover files from before |
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| 11:20.49 | hauppage | hi, is it possible to install debian4 on a usb pendrive or usb ext. disk? |
| 11:20.50 | perlmonkey | hi hauppage |
| 11:20.56 | xand | hauppage: yes |
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| 11:21.04 | xand | hauppage: so long as your PC supports booting from such a device |
| 11:21.09 | xand | which most do these days |
| 11:21.46 | hauppage | <xand> yes my pc has usb booting, but how do i install linux on the pendrive ? just install it on hdd then make an iso img of the hdd and burn on the usb drive ? |
| 11:21.53 | xand | no |
| 11:21.58 | xand | you just install it to the usb drive |
| 11:22.10 | xand | which'll be sda1 or something |
| 11:22.20 | hauppage | ah fine thx |
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| 11:29.02 | nescius | hi, i would like to know how to make a package from package's source, i've installed it with build dependencies and tried dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -b in /usr/src but without succes, is there some special stuff for iptables? like in kernel case? |
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| 11:37.51 | nescius | i need a custom iptables because of imq (QoS) patches for linux |
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| 11:39.47 | nescius | it seems that the IMQ patch only made two files and patched nothing |
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| 11:42.50 | yeladies | hi, |
| 11:42.53 | yeladies | can anybody help me install xgl with fglrx? i'm usind debian etch |
| 11:42.53 | lhadji | Do you need some help yeladies ? |
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| 11:44.24 | nescius | RPMs have spec files for making packages, and they can be made by rpmbuild with only patch of the spec files |
| 11:44.58 | nescius | oh, i got it, i have to be in directory of the source |
| 11:45.09 | nescius | which is not mentioned in documentation imo |
| 11:45.14 | fargiolas | does cc-share alike license meet dfsg? |
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| 11:49.09 | dexomsrc | Two Debian machines on a network with NFS on both, one mounts another's NFS share rw no problems |
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| 11:49.41 | dexomsrc | The transfer of any large (multigigabyte) file between the two systems via NFS yields very odd transfer rate consistency |
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| 11:50.18 | dexomsrc | It will go at appropriate LAN speeds of ~25MiB/s for a bit, then throttle suddenly all the way down to just a few KiB/s |
| 11:50.24 | dexomsrc | Then back up again... |
| 11:50.58 | dexomsrc | Is there a reason for this? Is anything I can do to improve NFS transfer speed performance so it's consistent? |
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| 11:51.16 | AbdusSalam | i need to install kernel-source to install the nvidia driver |
| 11:51.38 | AbdusSalam | E: Package kernel-source has no installation candidate |
| 11:52.14 | AbdusSalam | what do i need to add to the apt source list? |
| 11:52.15 | cusco | !tell AbdusSalam about nvidia one-liner |
| 11:53.48 | AbdusSalam | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:53.58 | AbdusSalam | cusco |
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| 11:54.20 | cusco | AbdusSalam: no |
| 11:54.25 | cusco | use default options |
| 11:54.30 | nescius | /usr/bin/dpkg-buildpackage: line 193: fakeroot: command not found |
| 11:54.32 | cusco | pre selected |
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| 11:55.34 | nescius | bad deps imho, but working now! |
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| 11:59.07 | claudio` | brb |
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| 11:59.29 | Zap-W | what ver of deboostrap allows installation of new stable release |
| 11:59.54 | azeem | Zap-W: don't use debootstrap to install Debian, only use it to make chroots |
| 12:00.04 | triplc | How to automatically start X? I am using a laptop with Etch and I do not need to login (just push and run). But I do not know how to start X automatically. I remove gdm and then get in text-based login. After login, I can run X (or startx). However, it does not allow me to run X (startx) from script. I can only run it when I type after login in. Without scripting, I do not know how to make it start automatically. |
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| 12:00.17 | Zap-W | azeem: yes to use chroot |
| 12:00.26 | Zap-W | azeem: for booting from a diskless machine |
| 12:00.37 | fengor | triplc: use gdm, kdm or xdm |
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| 12:00.46 | sheldonh | any idea how long they usually take to fix bad Release signatures on sdo? |
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| 12:01.21 | triplc | fengor: ah... I know GDM has autologin but I want to play with Linux a bit. |
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| 12:01.53 | fengor | triplc: you mean doing it the wrong way just because you can?> |
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| 12:02.50 | Zap-W | ... |
| 12:02.50 | triplc | fengor: you know, I can run X when enter commands on the command promt... in fact, I am using X now. However, the same command, when it run from the script, it does not work. |
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| 12:05.55 | fengor | then checkl the startx script |
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| 12:06.26 | fengor | propably soemthign in there isnt set at the point where you want to call the script |
| 12:07.57 | AbdusSalam | the debian nvidia installer didnt work properly |
| 12:08.14 | AbdusSalam | because my cards are new and only supported in the latest release |
| 12:08.26 | AbdusSalam | where can i find kernel-source ? |
| 12:08.33 | abrotman | linux-source |
| 12:08.39 | abrotman | but you only need the headers IIRC |
| 12:09.43 | AbdusSalam | E: Package linux-source has no installation candidate |
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| 12:10.31 | Beauty | Evening |
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| 12:11.35 | Zap-W | is amd64 also for pentiumm? |
| 12:11.58 | lindenle | I have a job that is accessing an nfs file system and is in the D state I cannot unmount the file system or kil the job. What can I do to fix this? |
| 12:13.13 | lindenle | more info: looks like it might have been a kernel nfs problem that caused it |
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| 12:16.15 | tarzeau | Zap-W: no |
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| 12:18.32 | itchi | lindenle: Try with umount -l |
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| 12:19.53 | lindenle | itchi: nice that got the mount working again...but process is still hung |
| 12:20.07 | itchi | lindenle: Try to kill it now |
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| 12:20.29 | itchi | lindenle: Maybe with -9 too |
| 12:20.38 | lindenle | itchi: tried seems to still be D |
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| 12:21.57 | itchi | lindenle: What's the 'job'? |
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| 12:23.09 | lindenle | a duplicity backup |
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| 12:24.52 | lindenle | ichi: ^^ |
| 12:24.57 | lindenle | itchi: ^^ |
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| 12:25.47 | Caeies[taff] | hi all |
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| 12:26.18 | lewis222 | anyone know anything about DHCP scope options for RIS/boot servers? I get 'TFTP open timeout' at the moment. |
| 12:26.43 | itchi | lindenle: I dunno what there may happend :-s |
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| 12:27.08 | Caeies[taff] | I just finish a sid upgrade on an AMD64 with the free ati drivers ... but it looks like something is broken, since X is freezing my computer when launched ... Others people having this problem ? |
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| 12:27.58 | tarzeau | do you also get shell-init: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory when you install rexima? |
| 12:28.16 | tarzeau | should i report this to bugs.debian.org/rexima ? |
| 12:28.18 | azeem | who is "you"? |
| 12:28.27 | tarzeau | anyone in here? |
| 12:28.38 | azeem | well, check the postinst |
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| 12:28.45 | azeem | how do you install it? |
| 12:28.51 | tarzeau | apt-get install rexim |
| 12:28.52 | tarzeau | apt-get install rexima |
| 12:29.00 | azeem | and your current directory exists? |
| 12:29.01 | xand | does xfs not support acls? or do i not need to specify it when mounting? |
| 12:29.05 | tarzeau | azeem: yes |
| 12:29.19 | azeem | xand: xfs does support acls, though I'm not sure how exactly |
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| 12:29.38 | xand | hmm, when I mount it it says "XFS: unknown mount option [acl]" |
| 12:29.45 | DavidProck1981 | can comeone tell me how to get my ip |
| 12:29.53 | azeem | xand: then read the mount manpage |
| 12:29.59 | azeem | DavidProck1981: /sbin/ifconfig |
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| 12:30.26 | xand | I did |
| 12:30.29 | Peanut | Hi all - I have fubared my Etch install in a curious way. I installed it on the second hard drive in my server. Then found out that the server doesn't understand F8 boot selection, so I have to change the order the disks are detected in to have it boot from the Debian disk. This confused Grub of course, but I fixed that. But now, apt-get upgraded my kernel (to the same version??) and the grub menu got rewritten - and it thinks it's on the second disk again instea |
| 12:31.38 | DavidProck1981 | azeem, im on a router, it is just showing the 192.168.*.* |
| 12:31.43 | Peanut | Or, where does the utility that sets up the grub menu store it ? |
| 12:31.52 | azeem | DavidProck1981: then ask your router |
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| 12:32.26 | DavidProck1981 | it dont seem to be telling the truth for some reason |
| 12:32.28 | seans | DavidProck1981: go to whatsmyip.org |
| 12:32.59 | DavidProck1981 | heh thanks seans |
| 12:33.52 | seans | DavidProck1981: no problem, I use that quite often at work to figure out what my IP is, becasue it would be nearly impossible to find out otherwise |
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| 12:34.41 | DavidProck1981 | did it show 71.71.61.207 when i log in |
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| 12:35.38 | DavidProck1981 | did it? |
| 12:35.54 | xand | doesn't your client say? |
| 12:36.00 | xand | 2007-05-14 13:35:11 -!- DavidProck1981 [n=prock@cpe-071-071-061-207.triad.res.rr.com] has joined #debian |
| 12:36.10 | Gnea | OMFG.... |
| 12:36.25 | xand | ? |
| 12:36.44 | Gnea | tarzeau: heh, the nvidia.com solution appears to be the only valid one for my current situation, since the nvidia maintainer totally screwed the pooch |
| 12:37.07 | tarzeau | Gnea: oh no the debian nvidia maintainer? totally screwed up the pooch? |
| 12:37.14 | Gnea | tarzeau: totally. |
| 12:37.24 | tarzeau | Gnea: AGAIN? |
| 12:37.37 | Gnea | he must've thought it'd be a fun joke to throw nvidia legacy users under the bus |
| 12:37.48 | abrotman | so does nvidia :) |
| 12:37.54 | tarzeau | abrotman: never happened to me |
| 12:37.59 | Gnea | oh it's okay, he'll get his ;) |
| 12:38.03 | abrotman | you're special .. in so many ways |
| 12:38.13 | h3sp4wn | if you need 9631 snapshot.debian.net has it |
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| 12:38.36 | abrotman | does the maintainer's people.d.o site have something that works ? |
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| 12:39.46 | h3sp4wn | did he break nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx ? |
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| 12:40.23 | abrotman | see .. this is why you shouldn't buy nvidia crap :) |
| 12:41.13 | tarzeau | abrotman: crap |
| 12:41.18 | tarzeau | abrotman: how would you play bloboats? |
| 12:41.32 | abrotman | who does ? |
| 12:41.46 | tarzeau | or brutalchess? briquolo? |
| 12:42.06 | abrotman | i can play briquolo fine |
| 12:42.37 | xand | so how do I enable ACLs for xfs then |
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| 12:43.12 | Nielsen|Work | Gnea: so today i should be glad i use the nvidia.com driver? ;) |
| 12:43.19 | xand | let me guess, it's not enabled in the kernel |
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| 12:43.34 | abrotman | Nielsen|Work: or you don't update your sid/unstable box every day ? |
| 12:43.41 | Nielsen|Work | also true |
| 12:43.55 | Nielsen|Work | more like once a week/monht |
| 12:43.55 | abrotman | or you know how to use apt-listbugs |
| 12:44.39 | xand | hmm CONFIG_XFS_POSIX_ACL=y |
| 12:45.33 | tarzeau | Gnea: were we talking about lzma? |
| 12:47.22 | abrotman | there is an acl package |
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| 12:47.58 | en1gma | hey all: moin\ |
| 12:49.03 | en1gma | i got a question about etch...i know there is no more updates for it except security....say i changed to lenny or sid....does it still get the security updates? i mean if the files are changed from etch to lenny/sid, how could it update them? |
| 12:49.05 | hark | what now en1gma? ;p |
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| 12:50.31 | en1gma | ello |
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| 12:50.42 | en1gma | hark who goes there |
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| 12:51.00 | Chris_abyi | hey! How can I highlight different filetypes in my shell? is this shell- or terminal-dependent? |
| 12:51.06 | stew | en1gma: sid does not get security updates. lenny on rarely gets security updates when a fix cannot be migrated from unstable within a number of days |
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| 12:51.17 | Nielsen|Work | en1gma: there are security updates for etch too |
| 12:51.20 | stew | en1gma: but in general, you are on your own security wise in testing/unstable |
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| 12:51.40 | Nielsen|Work | Chris_abyi: do you mean colors? like ls -al -color=auto ? |
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| 12:51.47 | en1gma | no i mean the security updates that were for etch...do they carry over to lenny/sid |
| 12:51.58 | xand | abrotman: the acl package doesn't enable ACLs, and I have that already |
| 12:52.00 | Chris_abyi | Nielsen: yep, I mean colors |
| 12:52.01 | Chris_abyi | :) |
| 12:52.13 | xand | (and it's working fine on ext3) |
| 12:52.16 | abrotman | xand: /me grunts and points at #xfs :) |
| 12:52.23 | stew | en1gma: the DSA will tell you |
| 12:52.24 | hark | no, they do however have a separate security team for testing, or they wait for updates from sid to trickle in |
| 12:52.27 | en1gma | the etch security repos we always leave the same when we change the other repos to lenny/sid |
| 12:52.40 | Nielsen|Work | Chris_abyi: well, now you know.. ls -al --colors=auto |
| 12:52.57 | stew | en1gma: yes, but you will not find many uploads (if any) to lenny's security repo, and you will find none in sid's |
| 12:52.58 | xand | Nielsen|Work: it's --color not --colors |
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| 12:53.18 | Chris_abyi | Nielsen: in which kind of shell? doesn't work for my bash here |
| 12:53.29 | DavidProck1981 | hay any one know about the one-way wall, is that a glitch or not? i like it thow? |
| 12:53.46 | abrotman | wtf |
| 12:53.49 | en1gma | i still dont know if the repos for debian etch security install....if the other repos have been changed to lenny and sid |
| 12:54.11 | en1gma | i mean how could they since the files arent the same |
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| 12:54.20 | stew | en1gma: huh? |
| 12:54.24 | edju | something is accessing my hard drive every few seconds. googled, and it seems perhaps the culprit may be hald, perhaps hald-addon-storage, which acc/to top, is "polling". however, I seem not to have hald.conf. /usr/lib/hal/hald-addon-storage is an executable. any advice on what to do with it? |
| 12:54.45 | DavidProck1981 | OPPS WRONG ROOM, take's back what asked LOL |
| 12:54.49 | hark | en1gma: sid dosen't have a security repos, testing has another one. You don't use the etch security repository for lenny |
| 12:54.54 | DavidProck1981 | oops* |
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| 12:55.14 | stew | hark: sid has security repos |
| 12:55.32 | en1gma | i have like 6 repos in sources.list. if i leave the etch security repos on BUT install debian lenny/sid....how can the etch secrity repos install software at all |
| 12:55.44 | abrotman | stew: but does it actually get updates ? |
| 12:55.48 | stew | abrotman: no |
| 12:55.57 | en1gma | my Q please |
| 12:56.04 | en1gma | still no one answers it |
| 12:56.08 | hark | en1gma: http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/ |
| 12:56.23 | en1gma | im talking about the etch security repo |
| 12:56.29 | Zaggynl^Laptop | Hi I'm trying to use kwlan for wifi, but it keeps requesting an ip address, and the configuration tab after 'edit network' is greyed out |
| 12:56.30 | stew | en1gma: they can if a version is uploaded into the etch security repository which is newer than a version from any other repository |
| 12:56.32 | en1gma | how can it update lenny/sid |
| 12:56.35 | stew | hark: NO, that is old |
| 12:56.40 | en1gma | ahhh |
| 12:56.41 | stew | hark: that is no longer to be used |
| 12:56.45 | en1gma | now we getting somewhere |
| 12:56.49 | hark | ah, guess i'll stop now then |
| 12:56.51 | stew | en1gma: in general, it can't update lenny/sid |
| 12:57.14 | en1gma | yea thats what i was just wondering...as i was thinking about installing lenny/sid |
| 12:57.15 | stew | en1gma: it is rare that there would be a newer version available from stable security updates that is newer than the version in sid |
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| 12:57.33 | stew | en1gma: if you install lenny or sid, you should not use etch's security repositories |
| 12:57.35 | solemnwarning | Does Linux support framebuffer on nvidia TNT2? |
| 12:57.36 | en1gma | so sid does get some security updates? how about lenny |
| 12:57.49 | stew | en1gma: sid does not get security updates, lenny does rarely |
| 12:57.51 | capiira | hmm still just 2.14 in testing |
| 12:57.56 | en1gma | ohhh |
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| 12:58.16 | en1gma | so sid dont get security updates...they just make a new version if its fubar? |
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| 12:58.26 | stew | en1gma: hopefully they do |
| 12:58.38 | stew | en1gma: if you are going to install lenny/sid, you should be prepared to subscribe to lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce and be ready to patch and recompile things yourself |
| 12:58.50 | en1gma | in general is sid more secure then lenny? |
| 12:58.51 | capiira | sid get security updates from app developers |
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| 12:59.15 | stew | en1gma: yes, but more buggy |
| 12:59.22 | capiira | like app 1.04 fixes stuff from 1.03 etc. |
| 12:59.22 | en1gma | ok i get it |
| 12:59.30 | solemnwarning | I've got a pile of spare video cards: nvidia TNT2, S3 savage 4, some ATI thing |
| 12:59.41 | solemnwarning | What would be best for a server with a framebuffer console? |
| 12:59.43 | en1gma | is it going to be another year until stable sees java6? |
| 12:59.44 | D_STAR | hello,is there some one that knows how to acess one of my ntfs disks? when i mount it it says that i doesnt have any rights. |
| 12:59.51 | en1gma | or another 18months |
| 13:00.20 | stew | capiira: sure but there is no way to ensure that 1.04 actually gets uploaded, you have to wait for the (possibly lazy) maintainer (or someone) to upload it. with stable there is a seucirty team to make sure a fixed version gets uploaded |
| 13:00.25 | fireba11 | en1gma: if you want java 6 as a debian package in stable .. probably |
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| 13:00.31 | infester | i made fdisk /dev/hda on my ibook and it turned out my rootpartition were of type "Apple_UNIX_SVR2" what is that type called when i make "make menuconfig" i cant find any similar |
| 13:00.32 | hark | stew: so there's no testing security team now? |
| 13:00.40 | stew | hark: there is |
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| 13:01.10 | stew | hark: they rarely make uploads, they just try to get fixed packages moved from sid to testing in 2 days |
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| 13:01.28 | capiira | yeah but in stable you also dont get a lot of other stuff fixed |
| 13:01.43 | hark | as in high priority? |
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| 13:01.45 | en1gma | man this is kind of confusing....there are some pretty big updates that we wont see in stable for a long time |
| 13:01.45 | stew | hark: i think in the entire time that etch was testing they made 4 or 5 uploads |
| 13:01.47 | stew | hark: ye |
| 13:01.48 | capiira | because it runs older software |
| 13:02.08 | lhadji | it runs stable software. |
| 13:02.15 | capiira | depends |
| 13:02.24 | doudou | How do i know the name of my nic? how do i tell to bochs to use it? google show that i must compile bochs so it can use it, what about tuntap and debian? |
| 13:02.26 | capiira | stable for some and for some not |
| 13:02.36 | stew | en1gma: etch will never get updates except for security and major bugs (major being something like the app is no longer installable). you won't see 'big updates' in stable until lenny becomes stable |
| 13:02.41 | RA3OR | question: where does iptables saves the rules ? file location |
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| 13:03.18 | stew | RA3OR: what do you mean? what command are you running to save them? |
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| 13:05.03 | doudou | iptables saves rules in memory, you can bacup them to file with a command and restore them |
| 13:05.56 | capiira | for example etch stable displays me drives double mounted because of a gnome 2.14 bug/feature/what ever that is fixed in 2.16+ |
| 13:06.07 | D_STAR | how to change so i get all the rights to brows a ntfs disk? |
| 13:06.09 | doudou | stew, tell me tuntap, howto where? |
| 13:06.24 | stew | doudou: tuntap, howto where |
| 13:06.45 | stew | D_STAR: /msg dpkg ntfsro |
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| 13:06.52 | faber4 | hi everybody |
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| 13:07.06 | faber4 | is there a 0-configuration ftp server (for anonymous uploads) in debian? |
| 13:07.11 | capiira | so unstable is kinda stable too :) |
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| 13:07.30 | stew | capiira: huh? |
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| 13:07.56 | capiira | depends how people define stable |
| 13:08.01 | capiira | there is no stable software |
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| 13:08.21 | stew | !meaning of stable |
| 13:08.21 | dpkg | ok, listen up. "Stable" in debian terminology means "doesn't change". Stable is stable. Unstable, by definition is not, unless you don't update it, which means you're not up-to-date with security fixes. Either way, you're wrong, and you sound stupid, and you're giving a false impression of what sid is REALLY like. See <sid evangelism>. http://www.us.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-getting.en.html#s-updatestable |
| 13:08.35 | stew | that's how we define stable ^^ |
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| 13:08.58 | tarzeau | faber4: vsftpd is nice |
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| 13:09.19 | infester | I get following error at startup "VFS: Cannot open root device "hda4" or unknown-block(0,0) Please append a correct "root=" boot option. Is this because ive forgot support for my file system or can it be that my yaboot.conf is not configured correctly? |
| 13:09.38 | doudou | stew, how can i make tuntap work with debian? i found http://bochs.sourceforge.net/doc/docbook/user/config-tuntap.html but seems different for debian |
| 13:09.45 | D_STAR | ok thx stew |
| 13:10.25 | stew | doudou: i have no idea |
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| 13:11.04 | infester | guys? please! :/ |
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| 13:11.16 | XMR2F77 | msg bot |
| 13:11.20 | PumpkinPie | infester: what the hell kindof person gets that kindof error |
| 13:11.40 | infester | PumpkinPie: uhm, what do you mean with that? =p |
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| 13:11.47 | paozinho | Someone know a voice changer to LNUX in real time ????????? |
| 13:12.04 | XMR2F77 | MSG bot java |
| 13:12.05 | RA3OR | stew: iptables-save |
| 13:12.11 | XMR2F77 | !java |
| 13:12.11 | dpkg | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in etch/sid in non-free. Ask me about <install java>. ask me about <non-free> |
| 13:12.17 | RA3OR | stew: are you in #iptables ? |
| 13:12.21 | paozinho | !br |
| 13:12.21 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 13:12.28 | tarzeau | shouldn't !java be updated? |
| 13:12.32 | paozinho | !jp |
| 13:12.32 | dpkg | [jp] Japan |
| 13:12.36 | dererk[work] | lol |
| 13:12.38 | doudou | stew, you know i get the name of my nic? i read dmesg but dit not found any serious name |
| 13:12.39 | RA3OR | !moo |
| 13:12.39 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 13:12.51 | RA3OR | !kiss |
| 13:12.51 | dpkg | somebody said kiss was Keep It Simple Stupid!!! |
| 13:12.51 | doudou | !nic |
| 13:12.51 | dpkg | nic is, like, (Network Interface Card) The NIC is an add-in board that enables a computer to connect to some form of computer network.. Network Information Center |
| 13:12.52 | tarzeau | please use #debian-bots |
| 13:12.53 | dererk[work] | RA3OR, don't abuse ;) |
| 13:13.01 | XMR2F77 | ok, thanks |
| 13:13.11 | RA3OR | dererk[work] ;) |
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| 13:13.24 | doudou | !my nic |
| 13:14.02 | Peanut | Does anyone know how grub-install determines the order the drives are found in? Because I have a mismatch between how the system reports the drives, and the device.map file created by grub, which results in an unbootable system. |
| 13:14.04 | faber4 | tarzeau: i installed vsftpd, it is working, but i dont know which directory it is serving. its seems to be no in the config ??? |
| 13:14.10 | hark | /sbin/ifconfig ? |
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| 13:14.29 | tarzeau | Peanut: which version of grub ? |
| 13:14.38 | tarzeau | faber4: really check the manual, i don't know off mind |
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| 13:14.54 | paozinho | Someone know a voice changer to LNUX in real time ????????? |
| 13:15.05 | stew | doudou: what do you mean by name? something like eth0? |
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| 13:15.23 | Peanut | tarzeau: Debian Etch, let me look what version it comes with. |
| 13:15.48 | tarzeau | paozinho: /msg dpkg repeat |
| 13:15.49 | stew | RA3OR: iptables-save dumps to stdout, so if you want to save it to a particular file, run 'iptables-save > /path/to/some/file' |
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| 13:16.35 | RA3OR | stew: i was thinking I could edit the rules file, then restart iptables |
| 13:16.44 | doudou | stew, by name i want to know what driver is used to make it work in the kernel (you know ne2000 3com tulpip ...) |
| 13:16.44 | stew | RA3OR: sure |
| 13:16.44 | Peanut | grub 0.97-27 |
| 13:16.46 | PumpkinPie | RA3OR: dont do that |
| 13:16.58 | tarzeau | Peanut: can you paste the strings that don't sort right? |
| 13:17.00 | kth`` | paozinho, are you going to kidnap someone and ask for ransom? |
| 13:17.14 | paozinho | kth``, hehehe like this ; ) |
| 13:17.18 | paozinho | kth``, from the Phone =P |
| 13:17.57 | Peanut | tarzeau: device.map shows (hd0) /dev/hda and (hd1) /dev/sda |
| 13:17.57 | doudou | stew, it is probably stupid question, before used to compile my kernel without modules so i lack some background |
| 13:18.25 | paozinho | tarzeau, /msg dpkg noob |
| 13:18.37 | stew | doudou: do you need to figure it out once? or programatically? |
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| 13:19.25 | tarzeau | paozinho: you could use sox, but that requires 1337 skills |
| 13:19.42 | paozinho | tarzeau, =O |
| 13:19.48 | paozinho | tarzeau, dont speak with me please |
| 13:19.51 | doudou | stew, in tuntap with bochs they said you should pass some parameters to bochs so it can handle the nic, they said that you should compile bochs so it can do this, i dont know what happens when i do aptitude install bochs |
| 13:19.52 | hark | doudou: you mean for your custom kernel or with the Debian kernel? |
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| 13:20.06 | vchrizz | hi |
| 13:20.07 | doudou | hark, before using debian |
| 13:20.26 | doudou | hark, http://bochs.sourceforge.net/doc/docbook/user/config-tuntap.html |
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| 13:20.55 | stew | doudou: so you are just trying to figure out which module you should use for your network card? or what? |
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| 13:21.47 | vchrizz | is it possible to change/raise the size of kernel write-ahead cache? im trying to optimize my system.. |
| 13:21.48 | doudou | stew, yes i would like to know which module is used to handle my nic, i looked in /proc/ but did not find where to look |
| 13:22.02 | tarzeau | vchrizz: something in /proc maybe? |
| 13:22.23 | hark | doudou: ah, so does it show up with ifconfig? |
| 13:22.44 | stew | !which module for 0200|0680 |
| 13:22.44 | dpkg | to find which modules supports 0200|0680, run this command: grep `lspci -n |awk '/0200|0680/{sub(":",".*",$3);print $3}'` /lib/modules/`uname -r`/modules.pcimap |
| 13:22.50 | stew | doudou: run that command ^^^ |
| 13:23.09 | paozinho | Someone know a voice changer to LNUX in real time ????????? |
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| 13:23.34 | stew | paozinho: what is LNUX? |
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| 13:23.55 | dererk[work] | a fashion way to say Linux? |
| 13:23.57 | paozinho | stew, is a abreviation for Linux |
| 13:24.06 | stew | paozinho: what does it mean to change ones voice to linux? |
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| 13:24.12 | dererk[work] | lol, it does indeed abreviate a lot :P |
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| 13:24.26 | CaT[tm] | those 8 bits take up a lot of space |
| 13:24.29 | itchi | paozinho: Anyway, it's not written in caps :-p |
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| 13:24.41 | CaT[tm] | lets keep talking about it so that we can make it totally futile :) |
| 13:24.45 | paozinho | itchi, stew stop....and help me |
| 13:24.45 | lhadji | Do you need some help paozinho ? |
| 13:24.46 | fengor | paozinho: you might have better luck to ask in the channel of $favouriteaudioapplication |
| 13:25.00 | dererk[work] | lol |
| 13:25.07 | paozinho | lhadji, hi ...thanks to speak with me..like a gentleman |
| 13:25.10 | paozinho | lhadji, i need |
| 13:25.40 | doudou | stew, thanks i found it sis900 "lspci" it was so simple |
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| 13:26.48 | stew | does anyone actually understand what paozinho is trying to do? |
| 13:27.02 | tarzeau | stew: i have an idea, but i'm not sure |
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| 13:27.26 | tarzeau | 0. |
| 13:27.27 | fengor | stew it seems he has kidnapped someone and needs an audiofilter to change his voice for making the demands ;p |
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| 13:27.33 | stew | ahh |
| 13:27.45 | tarzeau | fengor: heh, exactly my thoughts |
| 13:27.47 | itchi | stew: I guess that he want to change some voice to some robotic voice?? |
| 13:27.54 | fengor | thats why i pointed out he might have more luck asking for input filters in the channel of his favourite audio application |
| 13:28.04 | itchi | fengor: Heh, your right :-p |
| 13:28.17 | fengor | paozinho: next time get your setup together before the kidnapping ;) |
| 13:28.34 | vchrizz | tarzeau: well and what should i change where? in /proc when searching *cache* it finds only disk cache and /proc/sys/vm/[drop_caches,vfs_cache_pressure] |
| 13:28.35 | paozinho | fengor, vai toma no seu cuh seu filho da puta..eu comi sua mãe com a buceta arregaçada |
| 13:28.55 | tarzeau | vchrizz: read the kernel Documentation/ i'm not sure it's possible |
| 13:29.12 | tarzeau | !ops paozinho is rude |
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| 13:29.12 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: tarzeau complains about: paozinho is rude |
| 13:29.22 | stew | paozinho: english only in here, please |
| 13:30.02 | paozinho | stew calaboca seu filho da puta |
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| 13:30.09 | itchi | And not fair at all, someone understand that crap? Bah, i just understand what i should not :-s |
| 13:30.16 | itchi | Good! :-) |
| 13:30.20 | fengor | i only understand filho de puta |
| 13:30.26 | tarzeau | itchi: he said he's gay and wants to sleep with you |
| 13:30.27 | itchi | Mee too =-s |
| 13:30.34 | stew | paozinho: i've silenced you for 10 minutes. in the future, please keep it 1) in english, 2) constructive, 3) on-topic |
| 13:30.36 | bugster | yeah filho da puta |
| 13:30.41 | itchi | tarzeau: There's a ticket to take first :-p |
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| 13:30.47 | kth`` | <kth``> paozinho, are you going to kidnap someone and ask for ransom? <- |
| 13:30.47 | kth`` | You can see his/her reply a bit below :) |
| 13:30.49 | stew | bugster: english only in here please |
| 13:31.00 | bugster | da puta mio |
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| 13:31.11 | doudou | stew, Otherwise, recompile the kernel, including the configuration option |
| 13:31.16 | doudou | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:31.20 | bugster | da puta da puta |
| 13:31.23 | bugster | puta puta |
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| 13:31.34 | itchi | bugster: And how feel it now?? |
| 13:31.36 | AbdusSalam | what do i add to /etc/apt/sources.list to get libdvdcss2 and other multimedia ? |
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| 13:31.39 | AbdusSalam | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:31.39 | lhadji | i still can't work out what paozinho wanted |
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| 13:32.28 | fengor | lhadji: a realt ime audio filter for the input of his microphone |
| 13:32.28 | fengor | at least thats what i think he wanted |
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| 13:32.29 | tarzeau | fengor: that's what i also thought he wants |
| 13:32.34 | ErkiDerLoony | AbdusSalam: www.debian-multimedia.org. |
| 13:32.42 | itchi | there's a app that can speak some text, i remmeber |
| 13:32.54 | tarzeau | itchi: say on amiga :) |
| 13:32.55 | lhadji | im sure thered be linux sequencers out there, that can enable you to download vsts with inputs |
| 13:32.59 | stew | itchi: festival, but its not going to be realtime, like he wants |
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| 13:33.03 | itchi | festival |
| 13:33.07 | itchi | stew: Yes! |
| 13:33.14 | AbdusSalam | ErkiDerLoony for some reason libdvdcss2 from there didnt work for me |
| 13:33.40 | doudou | stew, debian do not propose it yet? |
| 13:33.40 | lhadji | maybe he wanted to do prank calls |
| 13:33.43 | DeadBird | i just installed Kaffeine... but every channel lags as if it really sucks power out of my computer |
| 13:33.53 | stew | doudou: propose what? |
| 13:33.57 | ErkiDerLoony | AbdusSalam: Then add "deb http://download.videolan.org/pub/videolan/debian sarge main". |
| 13:34.32 | itchi | That do me remember that i not yet have an inversed festival, write some stuff about what he hear |
| 13:34.32 | lhadji | prank calls in a non english language with a robot voice |
| 13:34.32 | doudou | stew, tun/tap |
| 13:34.32 | ErkiDerLoony | AbdusSalam: And also the deb-src. |
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| 13:34.34 | DeadBird | the channel are really slow |
| 13:34.35 | itchi | DeadBird: Audio software mixing?? |
| 13:34.36 | DeadBird | almost slow motion |
| 13:34.44 | stew | doudou: waht do you mean. debian certainly supports tun/tap. i use it all the time with openvpn |
| 13:34.50 | DeadBird | missing or mixing |
| 13:35.00 | DeadBird | could be that missing |
| 13:35.01 | doudou | stew, how do i install it? |
| 13:35.09 | itchi | doudou: vmware too and AFIAK qemu and such |
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| 13:35.24 | DeadBird | thanx!! |
| 13:35.29 | itchi | doudou: Just load the tun module? |
| 13:35.33 | doudou | sorry i am only reading hs.sourceforge.net/doc/docbook/user/config-tuntap.html |
| 13:35.41 | itchi | doudou: Sorry i not have followed the whole conversation |
| 13:35.58 | stew | doudou: its enabled in the debian kernels already |
| 13:36.10 | ma3x | why when I run skype from chroot (32 bit), the sound starts getting cut-cut after a while? |
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| 13:36.23 | stew | doudou: its either CONFIG_TUN=m or CONFIG_INET_TUNNEL=m, i'm not sure which |
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| 13:38.03 | doudou | stew, /dev/net/tun exists, i go on reading, thanks |
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| 13:44.03 | edju | How might I configure hald? |
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| 13:44.31 | Cyorxamp | Lo, I just installed leafnode but not given it details of any larger NNTP server as I want to make the groups myself - where would I create new groups? |
| 13:44.36 | stew | edju: the configuration is in /etc/hal |
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| 13:45.20 | Ankman | Cyorxamp: i guess you start a news reader and sign upfor a local group |
| 13:45.33 | Ankman | next fetch leafnode should take care of this new group |
| 13:45.37 | Cyorxamp | well there are no groups yet - thats what I mean |
| 13:45.56 | Ankman | what news reader do you use? |
| 13:45.58 | Cyorxamp | I don't have leafnode fetching anything from anywhere... I don't want it to |
| 13:46.02 | Cyorxamp | Thunderbird |
| 13:46.10 | Ankman | ic |
| 13:46.54 | Cyorxamp | never had to 'create' a new group before :D |
| 13:46.54 | Ankman | dunno |
| 13:47.23 | Cyorxamp | I'm making an NNTP powered forum you see... I don't like to see good protocols die :D |
| 13:47.44 | edju | stew, Yes, but I don't see any configuration file there - am I supposed to have hald.conf? |
| 13:50.07 | xand | Cyorxamp: not sure if leafnode supports that |
| 13:50.08 | Cyorxamp | grr! what would then? |
| 13:50.11 | Cyorxamp | it was #debian on OFTC that recommended leafnode in the first place! after I carefully described what I needed it for |
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| 13:50.13 | blackba55 | does anyone know where can i find a converter from pnm to jpg ? |
| 13:50.30 | Ankman | blackba55: convert command line program |
| 13:50.48 | xand | Cyorxamp: that's a crap channel ;) |
| 13:50.57 | Cyorxamp | it's official |
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| 13:51.17 | x_link | I got a file called xlink.tar. If I want to unpack it, should I do "unrar e xlink.tar" ? |
| 13:51.17 | frank | convert is part of imagemagick |
| 13:51.22 | xand | Cyorxamp: this one was official until someone had silly ideas... and this channel is still better |
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| 13:51.50 | frank | x_link: why use unrar vor a tar? |
| 13:51.55 | xand | Cyorxamp: anyway, maybe inn would be what you're want... leafnode is designed just to proxy really |
| 13:52.01 | frank | s/vor/for/ |
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| 13:52.25 | x_link | frank: Sorry, I was mistaking |
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| 13:52.57 | itchi | x_link: A 'tar' file is just an archive |
| 13:53.05 | PingOs | When 'apt-get install' finds a package but refuses to install it, what is this called ? "On hold" ? How do I flip this status to allow the install ? |
| 13:53.28 | itchi | x_link: Use tar to extract it or see the 'unp' tool for an universal extractor |
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| 13:55.40 | sheldonh | are there binary packages for extra netfilter modules like nth and random, or do you have to build a custom kernel and compile userland iptables by hand? |
| 13:55.48 | x_link | itchi: Okej. |
| 13:56.15 | itchi | sheldonh: Check the kernel config?? |
| 13:56.33 | sheldonh | itchi: oh, they're definitely not there. nth isn't in stock linux |
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| 13:57.55 | ironfroggy | Does anyone know where I can find information on the exif utility? |
| 13:58.07 | ironfroggy | im trying to find ports for it, but google searches find tons of _other_ exif tools |
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| 13:58.35 | sheldonh | i still can't believe nth hasn |
| 13:58.43 | sheldonh | 't made it into netfilter core |
| 13:59.02 | sheldonh | how the hell else do people load balance their web traffic over multiple dsl links? |
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| 13:59.31 | ktwilight | dns round robin, and some other load balancing apps, like pound and hproxy (?) |
| 13:59.41 | ktwilight | or dedicated load balancer |
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| 13:59.53 | itchi | sheldonh: libexiv2-doc ?? |
| 14:00.03 | xand | sheldonh: most people dont? :P |
| 14:00.09 | itchi | oeps, ironfroggy i mean |
| 14:00.12 | sheldonh | itchi: i um... what? |
| 14:00.14 | sheldonh | oh. lol |
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| 14:00.20 | sheldonh | xand: most people suck, then :) |
| 14:00.27 | ironfroggy | itchi: i thought it used libexif |
| 14:00.50 | itchi | ironfroggy: I dunno honnesty, i'm looking for curiousity :-) |
| 14:01.29 | ironfroggy | oh i found it |
| 14:01.33 | ironfroggy | its actually at the libexif site |
| 14:01.41 | ironfroggy | err.. sf page, anywayt |
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| 14:04.04 | tarzeau | someone with dual cpu can look at xosview and htop and tell me also that the cpu load is shown not the same in both programs? |
| 14:04.22 | tarzeau | htop shows it like 2 x 50 %, and xosview 100 % switching between the cpus from time to time |
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| 14:07.39 | tarzeau | azeem: it was a onetime error, no idea why (the cwd thing installing rexima) |
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| 14:13.18 | itchi | tarzeau: With a duo is that good too? |
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| 14:18.50 | en1gma | !kernel |
| 14:18.52 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.21.1, prepatch: 2.6.22-rc1, snapshot: 2.6.22-rc1-git1, 2.4: 2.4.34.4, prepatch: 2.4.35-pre4, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.21-mm2 |
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| 14:19.45 | ironfroggy | what packages do i need to install to cross-compile to windows? |
| 14:19.54 | xand | wtf |
| 14:20.06 | en1gma | what packages do i need to build my own kernels |
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| 14:20.22 | tarzeau | en1gma: kernel-package |
| 14:20.38 | tarzeau | itchi: a duo to do what? |
| 14:20.40 | ironfroggy | xand: wtf at me? |
| 14:20.46 | tarzeau | itchi: yes any... can you try? |
| 14:21.28 | en1gma | can someone tell me what packages i need to build my own kernels or a simple howto for the debian way |
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| 14:22.17 | itchi | tarzeau: Sure, i'm looking with htop, each is different here, works fine. I have added a bar to be sure. The second cpu is at 100% and the first 6.6% |
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| 14:23.04 | tarzeau | itchi: and in xosview? |
| 14:23.15 | debianix | can anyone tell me what are the default groups a user is added it when you create a user account please? |
| 14:23.19 | CalebRipley | I have a problem with my networkcard (PCMCIA-Card by Xircom; 10/100+modem), when i try to start the network-device with "cardctl insert" i get the error-message "xirc2ps_cs: no ports available". How can i fix this problem? |
| 14:23.25 | itchi | tarzeau: I quick install it |
| 14:23.28 | tarzeau | debianix: type id user to find out |
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| 14:23.39 | debianix | huh yeah i did |
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| 14:23.50 | debianix | the fact is i am only in www-data :S |
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| 14:24.09 | debianix | i was reading a tutorial and doing some changes and i completely forgot which other gorups i was in |
| 14:24.11 | tarzeau | debianix: and you want to be in whirlpool too? |
| 14:24.47 | debianix | no i've just installed apache, but for some reason i can't accesst host 127.0.1.1 |
| 14:24.59 | fengor | try 127.0.0.1 |
| 14:25.08 | debianix | it keeps saying connecting to host in the browser and after 5 mins it is still connecting |
| 14:25.27 | itchi | tarzeau: Both does it like expected here |
| 14:25.37 | debianix | fengor: when i restarted apache it said 127.0.1.1 as servername |
| 14:25.43 | itchi | tarzeau: Heh, is that normal? Or have you some troubles? |
| 14:25.46 | tarzeau | itchi: interesting... |
| 14:26.07 | tarzeau | itchi: i don't know, maybe my xosview config? see www.linuks.mine.nu/conf/ (stolen from suse) |
| 14:26.35 | fengor | debianix try 127.0.0.1 and probably you want to go over your httpd.conf again |
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| 14:27.27 | debianix | humm is that normal for httpd.conf to be empty ?> |
| 14:27.37 | fengor | no |
| 14:27.38 | piztek3 | what's a good package manager? |
| 14:27.45 | fengor | aptitude |
| 14:28.02 | piztek3 | no gui? |
| 14:28.19 | CalebRipley | yes piztek3 |
| 14:28.23 | fengor | you asked for a good package manager, not for a gui packet manager ;) |
| 14:28.32 | piztek3 | lol |
| 14:28.40 | itchi | tarzeau: It is just a fraction of a seconde? |
| 14:28.43 | piztek3 | well, what is one? |
| 14:28.48 | piztek3 | synaptic? |
| 14:28.54 | fengor | dont know i dont use guis for package management |
| 14:29.01 | tarzeau | itchi: in xosview, it switches between 1 and 5 seconds |
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| 14:29.13 | sts | hello folks |
| 14:29.19 | fengor | i find command line quicker and mor intuitive than the gui ones |
| 14:29.33 | en1gma | how do i share a network connection so another debian computer can get out while connecting through this debian box |
| 14:29.37 | en1gma | i hope its easy |
| 14:29.40 | sts | is there a way to escape the output of a find, so any paths printed are escaped for use with the shell? |
| 14:29.42 | piztek3 | is anyone aware of a gnome *osx* like dock or kicker? |
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| 14:29.53 | atealtha | piztek3: AWN |
| 14:30.05 | itchi | tarzeau: It's the program that have a troulbe i think |
| 14:30.05 | piztek3 | atealtha: is it in repos? |
| 14:30.09 | fengor | en1gma: google for linux ip masquerading |
| 14:30.10 | atealtha | there isn't a package yet though |
| 14:30.16 | tarzeau | itchi: i agree |
| 14:30.18 | atealtha | it's still alpha or something like that |
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| 14:30.24 | tarzeau | itchi: htop ? |
| 14:30.24 | piztek3 | atealtha: how would i get it? |
| 14:30.29 | atealtha | dust off that compiler and get going |
| 14:30.31 | itchi | tarzeau: htop work fine here |
| 14:30.40 | en1gma | fengor isnt there a program that can do this already with debian so ist user friendly |
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| 14:30.43 | vin` | tarzeau: tried both with normal and heavy cpu load, seems ok |
| 14:30.45 | tarzeau | itchi: i think it's htop which shows it wrong, but it could be the other way around |
| 14:30.46 | atealtha | forgot the site, but google for avant window navigator or something like that |
| 14:30.52 | en1gma | i dont want to spend 3-5hrs learning this right now |
| 14:30.54 | tarzeau | vin`: both show it the same way? |
| 14:31.11 | Noborusan | hi guys |
| 14:31.15 | vin` | tarzeau: yes |
| 14:31.16 | tarzeau | vin`, itchi what kind of thing did you run? i am running heavy file compression (lzma) |
| 14:31.21 | itchi | tarzeau: Heh, yeah your right, who is right? :-p |
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| 14:31.45 | vin` | tarzeau: compiled a kernel |
| 14:31.45 | tarzeau | itchi: maybe check the source, then linux documentation |
| 14:31.59 | itchi | tarzeau: I'm not that good at this stage for that :-s |
| 14:31.59 | tarzeau | vin`: yes compiling stuff is good |
| 14:32.15 | en1gma | can someone tell me if there is an EASY way to ebable internet connection sharing for linux |
| 14:32.40 | itchi | en1gma: Use 'firestarter' as firewall? There is a option to share |
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| 14:32.48 | en1gma | thanks |
| 14:32.48 | tarzeau | en1gma: install iptables, and enable port forwarding |
| 14:33.03 | en1gma | is there a gui for firestarter or iptables? |
| 14:33.17 | itchi | en1gma: firestarter is a gui for iptables ;-) |
| 14:33.21 | en1gma | oh ok |
| 14:33.22 | en1gma | sweet |
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| 14:33.23 | wols_ | en1gma: apt-get install ipmasq |
| 14:33.23 | en1gma | thanks |
| 14:33.26 | itchi | en1gma: Anyway, later, try to learn iptables ;-) |
| 14:33.27 | wols_ | en1gma: all you need |
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| 14:33.59 | piztek3 | when will awn be out? |
| 14:34.02 | en1gma | wols_ just installed it what i need to do now |
| 14:34.03 | talisker | Hi, what's the easiest way to share files with windows over LAN? |
| 14:34.21 | atealtha | piztek3: no idea on that. I don't even use it myself. At least not yet |
| 14:34.22 | itchi | en1gma: Read the docs about it :-p But you not should do anything for ipmasq |
| 14:34.22 | tarzeau | talisker: ftp/http or smb |
| 14:34.23 | wols_ | en1gma: nothing. you told it to use one interface as WAN interface |
| 14:34.25 | fluxdude | when running Sid, do I need to put all package repositories in my sources.lst or just Sid's sources? |
| 14:34.27 | wols_ | the other will be the LAN one. done |
| 14:34.31 | talisker | http is a good idea... |
| 14:34.38 | tarzeau | fluxdude: only sid |
| 14:34.46 | piztek3 | i might compile it later |
| 14:34.50 | tarzeau | fluxdude: experimental can be added, but really only if you know what you do |
| 14:34.53 | fluxdude | do the source package lists contain all the packages of the most stable branches as well ? |
| 14:36.20 | wols_ | fluxdude: no |
| 14:36.20 | tarzeau | fluxdude: source is only for the source packages |
| 14:36.20 | en1gma | wols_ well i just installed it and the other networked comp cant connect |
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| 14:36.20 | wols_ | source package lists only contain packages of that brnach. nothing else |
| 14:36.21 | talisker | How do I change the home directory for apache? |
| 14:36.21 | itchi | en1gma: You need to setup the routing table on the 'client' |
| 14:36.21 | fluxdude | wols: what I mean is that is it possible there is a program in say testing that is not in unstable? |
| 14:36.21 | itchi | en1gma: See route |
| 14:36.21 | wols_ | en1gma: you also need to set IPs, DNS, gateways |
| 14:36.22 | fluxdude | ie should i have all repos listed in order to get all the packages... |
| 14:36.22 | en1gma | dang i wanted something easy you all |
| 14:36.22 | en1gma | isnt there a little gui i can just hit enable ics |
| 14:36.23 | en1gma | and bam it work |
| 14:36.23 | wols_ | en1gma: no |
| 14:36.23 | piztek3 | can powersaved be removed without any problems? |
| 14:36.23 | itchi | en1gma: It is easy, just cause it 'vage' right now for you |
| 14:36.24 | tarzeau | en1gma: i shall write one |
| 14:36.31 | fluxdude | tarzeau: I meant sources.lst or sources for downloading the list, not source code |
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| 14:36.42 | tarzeau | fluxdude: it's for both |
| 14:36.54 | tarzeau | fluxdude: if the line starts with deb it's for binaries, with deb-src it's for source code |
| 14:36.54 | en1gma | well im not new i actually have used iptables and setup a box just to be a 4 port router before but the newb i have here right next to me is really hating linux i think |
| 14:36.58 | wols_ | fluxdude: no. you only need sid as you've been already told |
| 14:36.58 | itchi | en1gma: Use your gnome network GUI manager or whatever, if you want to avoid cli at this stage |
| 14:36.59 | en1gma | something has to be easy for hiom |
| 14:37.01 | tarzeau | fluxdude: and if the line starts with # it's for cowards |
| 14:37.06 | en1gma | i have kde |
| 14:37.17 | itchi | en1gma: Same thingy |
| 14:37.20 | wols_ | en1gma: if you really did that you wouldn't have to ask. ergo: you did not |
| 14:37.24 | piztek3 | wols_: is up already? |
| 14:37.25 | piztek3 | nice |
| 14:37.28 | fluxdude | wols_: what you say seems to indicate that I if I am running unstable and want all possible packages in case one appears in stable or testing but not in unstable then I should put all repos in my sources.lst |
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| 14:38.00 | wols_ | fluxdude: what I'm saying is you try to construct very strange, theoretical scenarios |
| 14:38.00 | fluxdude | tarzeau: yeah thanks I know that basic bits, I'm just not sure if testing has all programs that testing/stable have |
| 14:38.09 | en1gma | ok so from just installing "apt-get install ipmasq" what is next step |
| 14:38.15 | fluxdude | no it's not strange, I run unstable. |
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| 14:38.22 | en1gma | for the gateway machine or the networked comp |
| 14:38.27 | wols_ | en1gma: set up your LAN properly |
| 14:38.31 | fluxdude | is it possible that I try to apt-get install a program but it's only it testing or unstable? |
| 14:39.12 | itchi | en1gma: Configure your client to use the right gateway, dns with a KDE gui tool |
| 14:39.13 | en1gma | whats the kde gui tool |
| 14:39.13 | fluxdude | or will it stay in testing even if it is deemed stable enough to go into testing |
| 14:39.13 | simmerz | does the debian distribution of iceweasel show up in the useragent as iceweasel or firefox? |
| 14:39.18 | wols_ | fluxdude: of course. but that is no problem since you said you run sid aka unstable |
| 14:39.18 | Szeraa1 | like kwifimanager |
| 14:39.18 | itchi | en1gma: Dunno, i use fluxbox |
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| 14:39.23 | Szeraa1 | or knetworkmanager |
| 14:39.23 | en1gma | ok checking |
| 14:39.23 | en1gma | thanks |
| 14:39.24 | wols_ | en1gma: the tool is man interfaces |
| 14:39.39 | en1gma | ok will have a looksey |
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| 14:39.52 | fluxdude | wols_: so unstable has everything stable/testing has but newer versions and packages not yet deemed stable enough for the other two, ie a superset of all packages and latest versions |
| 14:39.59 | itchi | en1gma: Look to the both, cli and gui ;-) |
| 14:40.16 | wols_ | fluxdude: no. unstable is unstable, testing is testing and stable is stable |
| 14:40.23 | liable | nm is causing a few headaches with certain drivers |
| 14:40.23 | tarzeau | fluxdude: unstable isn't a warranty for the latest versions, but often it is |
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| 14:40.29 | rvilera | Hi all. |
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| 14:40.35 | tarzeau | wols_: it's just strings of letters |
| 14:41.09 | rvilera | Quick question, which was the last debian release to be based on 2.0 =< glibc => 2.2 ?? |
| 14:41.35 | wols_ | rvilera: potato probably |
| 14:41.36 | fluxdude | tarzeau: so back to the original question, I should keep stable, testing and unstable to get all possible packages for my sid machine, right? |
| 14:41.44 | rvilera | err I think I inverted the symbols but you get what I mean |
| 14:41.53 | tarzeau | i mean i don't fear sid, an arachnid or centipede aside an imp or minor demon aside a little dog |
| 14:41.54 | en1gma | i dont see an " knetworkmanager" |
| 14:41.55 | rvilera | wols_: thanks, I'll check potato |
| 14:42.02 | tarzeau | fluxdude: no |
| 14:42.05 | Szeraa1 | what are you using aptitude? |
| 14:42.11 | tarzeau | fluxdude: don't mix, you pick one of these three and stay with that |
| 14:42.15 | tarzeau | fluxdude: this is not a #harem |
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| 14:42.24 | Szeraa1 | en1gma: what about kwifimanager |
| 14:42.29 | Szeraa1 | ? |
| 14:42.36 | en1gma | wifi is there but im not wifi |
| 14:42.43 | orbin | i installed ntpdate. but i'm still getting ntp support is not installed when i try enable synching in the time and date settings. any ideas on what it's asking for? |
| 14:42.46 | Szeraa1 | it does networks |
| 14:42.51 | en1gma | ok ill check it |
| 14:42.52 | en1gma | 1 sec |
| 14:43.00 | Szeraa1 | however, i dunno how well it does dns and gateway though... |
| 14:43.00 | rvilera | wols_: any idea if I can potato a dir via debootstrap? |
| 14:43.04 | wols_ | orbin: ntpd. |
| 14:43.13 | wols_ | orbin: ntpdate pool.ntp.org is how ntpdate is used |
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| 14:43.24 | wols_ | rvilera: not really, sorry |
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| 14:43.35 | en1gma | kwifimanager dont show my nics |
| 14:43.46 | Szeraa1 | hmm, wierd |
| 14:43.50 | Szeraa1 | wait |
| 14:43.59 | itchi | en1gma: Maybe is it not yet installed |
| 14:44.05 | en1gma | wierd or wired ? |
| 14:44.06 | Szeraa1 | if you go to config, does it have any of them in autodetect? |
| 14:44.06 | en1gma | lol |
| 14:44.12 | en1gma | ok ill check apt |
| 14:44.26 | itchi | en1gma: dpkg -l knetworkmanager to check if it's installed |
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| 14:44.45 | itchi | en1gma: And look to the first 2(3) characters |
| 14:44.52 | Szeraa1 | i think he couldnt find networkman and has kwifiman |
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| 14:45.09 | vin` | en1gma: use kde control center, internet/network |
| 14:45.11 | en1gma | E: Couldn't find package kdenetworkmanage |
| 14:45.27 | krifur | hello what s the difference vetween bind, and bind 9 ? |
| 14:45.35 | krifur | between * |
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| 14:45.54 | wols_ | krifur: a version number |
| 14:45.58 | itchi | en1gma: It is knetworkmanager |
| 14:46.04 | wols_ | !tell en1gma about search |
| 14:46.06 | chops | krifur: You want bind9, probably |
| 14:46.09 | Szeraa1 | en1gma: what about "dpkg -l knetwifimanager" |
| 14:46.27 | krifur | wols_: yes but i have both already install on my debian lenny , can i remove bind ? |
| 14:46.30 | itchi | Szeraa1: It's a wired one |
| 14:46.32 | Szeraa1 | ok |
| 14:46.44 | Szeraa1 | ohhhhhhh |
| 14:46.55 | Szeraa1 | soooo much more sense now... |
| 14:47.01 | chops | krifur: bind is bind 8, which is now pretty old |
| 14:47.01 | wols_ | krifur: do you actually know why you use bind (or bind9)? |
| 14:47.08 | Szeraa1 | and why isnt he using ifconfig btw? |
| 14:47.10 | krifur | wols_: yes |
| 14:47.21 | wols_ | krifur: then why are you asking? |
| 14:47.32 | fengor | Szeraa1: because he wants to enable ip forwarding and masquerading |
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| 14:47.37 | krifur | wols_: i don t understan why aptitude dont update my bind vesion |
| 14:47.40 | fengor | not setting up the nic i suppose |
| 14:47.41 | wols_ | fengor: that's no valid reason |
| 14:47.42 | en1gma | no apt-cache searches for "kdenetworkm" or "kdewifim" |
| 14:47.44 | Szeraa1 | and did anyone point him toward iptables? |
| 14:47.48 | bbelt16ag | ok peeps i am gonna try sabayon some time soon |
| 14:47.58 | fengor | wols_: ? |
| 14:48.01 | en1gma | or kdenetwifi |
| 14:48.05 | wols_ | Szeraa1: ew already pointed him to ipmasq and firestarter |
| 14:48.10 | chops | krifur: aptitude generally won't increase major versions of software; you're assumed to decide when you want to make the switch for yourself |
| 14:48.12 | orbin | wols_: issuing that command does a manual sync. i'm guessing i have to do something further? i thought i could just tick the checkbox and let ithe gui tool sort it out for me? |
| 14:48.16 | fengor | Szeraa1: yes it was pointed out to him |
| 14:48.17 | vin` | Szeraa1: he's on a wild goose chase, will finally read man interfaces |
| 14:48.19 | Szeraa1 | ok |
| 14:48.23 | chops | krifur: But at this point, upgrading to bind9 is almost certainly what you want |
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| 14:48.36 | tarzeau | bbelt16ag: stop calling people peeps here, motherhugger! |
| 14:48.38 | Szeraa1 | so he just didnt want to do it the hard way... |
| 14:48.38 | wols_ | fengor: forwarding and masq has nothing to do with setting up the netwokr interfaces in the first palce, which is what he's trying to do now |
| 14:48.39 | itchi | en1gma: Try to listen ;-) |
| 14:48.48 | en1gma | well i was just wanting simple to show the guy im with who has ran windows forever that he can do it in linux too |
| 14:48.51 | krifur | chops: ok , thx |
| 14:48.52 | en1gma | i know iptables |
| 14:48.57 | Szeraa1 | well, they said he wanted to setup forwarding and such... |
| 14:49.01 | chops | krifur: np |
| 14:49.02 | fengor | oh ok overread the he is trying to set them up now |
| 14:49.07 | wols_ | en1gma: your continous questions show otherwise :P |
| 14:49.12 | fengor | i was mentally still at his first question |
| 14:49.15 | en1gma | i really dont want to show this guy he has to go into cli AGAIN to do something |
| 14:49.26 | en1gma | wols_ you are wrong |
| 14:49.30 | itchi | en1gma: Listen ;-) |
| 14:49.40 | wols_ | en1gma: you set it up once and then he never has to touch it again |
| 14:49.41 | en1gma | i told you i made a 4 port router/gateway box before |
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| 14:49.48 | wols_ | if you knew about iptables, you knew that |
| 14:49.55 | itchi | en1gma: If realy, use a gui tool, there are that much |
| 14:49.57 | Szeraa1 | this is why i give people no gui for 2 weeks with lin at first, and teach them how to use it... |
| 14:49.57 | en1gma | first its him who will have to set it up |
| 14:50.02 | en1gma | and he hates cli |
| 14:50.02 | Szeraa1 | linux* |
| 14:50.20 | en1gma | what is the gui tool |
| 14:50.35 | itchi | en1gma: Scroll up, i'm not a repeater :-p |
| 14:50.39 | fengor | apt-cache search networkmanager perhabs? |
| 14:50.51 | en1gma | well 4 people were telling me 4 different things |
| 14:50.52 | wols_ | en1gma: if he hates CLI so totally, it's all your fault for telling him to use debian. you chose the wrong tool for him |
| 14:50.58 | Szeraa1 | no, i doubt its in there |
| 14:51.02 | en1gma | i have networkmanager i think |
| 14:51.14 | fengor | then use that |
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| 14:51.26 | wols_ | en1gma: since you obviosuly know evreything already, why did you have to ask? and why couldn't you evalutate other people's suggestions with your superior knowledge? :) |
| 14:51.28 | itchi | en1gma: You just got 'all' the ways, that's is |
| 14:51.37 | en1gma | well i had suse there for him (figured that would be the most user friendly to him) but he didnt like it |
| 14:51.39 | itchi | near all* |
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| 14:51.49 | Szeraa1 | give him ubuntu |
| 14:51.51 | fengor | en1gma: give hhim a winbox and be done with it |
| 14:51.52 | Szeraa1 | or kubuntu |
| 14:52.00 | wols_ | fengor: you got it right |
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| 14:52.23 | fengor | chances are that particular user wont liek ANY linux distribution |
| 14:52.26 | en1gma | wols_ its been a while since i had that 4 port router/gateway going...so i obviously would need to freshin up....i really dont want him to see me reading alot of info |
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| 14:52.41 | fengor | no matter hw user friendly or gui capable (which are 2 seperate thigns btw) it is |
| 14:52.45 | en1gma | yea i see it in his eyes....hes wanting windows already |
| 14:53.03 | wols_ | en1gma: apart from understanding how to set up a LAN, you only need two packages: ipmasq and dnsmasq (and dnsmasq is optional) |
| 14:53.03 | Szeraa1 | sad... |
| 14:53.22 | Ronin | doesnt want to be seen reading? heh |
| 14:53.23 | wols_ | dnsmasq needs a litttle bit of config editing (one file, commented), to make it work as a dhcp server |
| 14:53.25 | en1gma | i understand about masquerade |
| 14:53.27 | wols_ | that's it |
| 14:53.32 | en1gma | i understand bout port forwarding |
| 14:53.44 | fengor | en1gma: you probably done a good job of scaring that user back to windows already by not using hte cli to set everything up instead of searchign frantically for winlike solution |
| 14:53.50 | en1gma | i know this...is there a gui tool for him that would make it easy is what i was wanting to know |
| 14:54.02 | wols_ | en1gma: that is nothing to do with prot forwardiong. evreything you say here shows further that you don't have a clue. so please stop pretending. other people here can tell |
| 14:54.14 | en1gma | wols_ quit attacking me |
| 14:54.22 | en1gma | i told you what i know please dont call me a liar |
| 14:54.26 | fengor | wols_: is just telling the truth |
| 14:54.31 | Szeraa1 | i believe that kubuntu has one |
| 14:54.37 | wols_ | en1gma: if you don't want to be a liar, stop lieing |
| 14:54.38 | en1gma | he is telling WHGAT HE THINKS is the truth |
| 14:54.43 | en1gma | and im telling him he is wrong |
| 14:54.44 | gpm | lying |
| 14:54.55 | wols_ | gpm: thank you |
| 14:54.58 | gpm | np |
| 14:55.05 | Szeraa1 | and calm down time... |
| 14:55.09 | fengor | en1gma: your words speak otherwise |
| 14:55.15 | en1gma | in your opinion |
| 14:55.20 | Szeraa1 | well, time for work. see you alls |
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| 14:55.38 | en1gma | i already said its been a while and i would have to freshin up |
| 14:55.40 | wols_ | en1gma: let's just say, we already have a NAT router running under linux/debian. you don't :) |
| 14:55.41 | en1gma | gawd |
| 14:55.47 | fengor | btw en1gma let me give you an advice a friend in scuba diving always adheres to: stop breathe think and then take action not the other way around |
| 14:55.53 | en1gma | i didnt say i did it damn yesterday |
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| 14:56.06 | gpm | it might be time to /ignore |
| 14:56.12 | en1gma | whatever |
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| 14:56.31 | wols_ | en1gma: the sad truth is, there is no way you can set up a NAT under linux without any knowledge. and from what I remember of windows, it doesn't work there without any knowledge either |
| 14:56.35 | rvilera | fengor: it should be "breathe, stop to think and then take action" if you stop breathing during scuba you can be severely injured |
| 14:56.54 | gpm | hehe |
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| 14:57.11 | wols_ | hoever it's not a whole lot you need to set one up and the good news is: you only need to do it once and then not care about it for ages (except if you need a new port forward) |
| 14:57.27 | en1gma | wols_ its been awhile since i did it (prob 3 years) i could right now go and read a couple hours and have it up and running....but i would really like a gui tool to do it |
| 14:57.31 | en1gma | that is all im asking |
| 14:57.39 | fengor | sorry i forgot to add commatas stop (doing whatever panicked action you are currently doing), breathe (get some fresh oxygen up in those brain cells), think (calm down and use the head instead of panicking), and then take action |
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| 14:57.53 | fengor | thanks fr pointing out the missing commata rvilera |
| 14:58.02 | gpm | whoa, i like orbin's exit message! |
| 14:58.04 | DeadBird | how do i get my cound card configured and running |
| 14:58.04 | wols_ | en1gma: debian doesn't have that and debian is the wrong kind of distro for that kindo of tool. use ubuntu. bigger chance of getting what you want |
| 14:58.08 | rvilera | say, I'm setting a debian potato chroot dir under ubuntu newest (don't ask) to use for a chroot jail, and I see I have dchroot and schroot to help run stuff in the jail. are they usefull and wich is your favorite? or should I whip my own scripts? what do you say? |
| 14:58.08 | lhadji | Do you need some help rvilera ? |
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| 14:58.22 | DeadBird | sound card |
| 14:58.25 | gpm | really? |
| 14:58.25 | wols_ | !tell DeadBird about alsa one-liner |
| 14:58.38 | gpm | surely debian has most all of the packages ubuntu does |
| 14:58.47 | en1gma | ok ill just restart into windows share that connection and let him update through there |
| 14:58.48 | yettenet | Where can I set locales for my terminal? |
| 14:58.50 | en1gma | that will work too |
| 14:58.55 | en1gma | ok bbiab |
| 14:58.56 | rvilera | gpm: ... yes |
| 14:58.57 | wols_ | rvilera: I am not really sure if that old a libc6 can handle a 2.6 kernel... |
| 14:58.58 | en1gma | thanks for the help |
| 14:58.59 | lhadji | Do you need some help en1gma ? |
| 14:59.03 | gpm | rvilera: right? |
| 14:59.10 | rvilera | wols_: it'll be a matter of trying :) |
| 14:59.13 | wols_ | yettenet: environment. |
| 14:59.16 | en1gma | well ill just reboot into windows it will be the quickest |
| 14:59.22 | en1gma | brb |
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| 14:59.27 | gpm | oh noes! |
| 14:59.32 | rvilera | trouvle is, I need to run a program in this machine that needs an older libc |
| 14:59.40 | itchi | What is a reboot? |
| 14:59.43 | itchi | :-p |
| 14:59.44 | wols_ | rvilera: I already presumed that |
| 14:59.48 | yettenet | Thanks, wols_ |
| 14:59.58 | wols_ | itchi: something windows users do periodically. also happens when power goes out |
| 15:00.06 | fengor | itchi: when the power company goes longer down than you ups can support ;) |
| 15:00.11 | wols_ | !tell yettenet about locales |
| 15:00.22 | itchi | wols_: Yeah, i remember these days, when i worked on it, 4 times a day, reboot :-s |
| 15:00.31 | rvilera | wols_: I pray it works, sigh otherwise I'm severely fucked... unles.... |
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| 15:00.53 | rvilera | I could always setup a vmware/bochs machine for this. |
| 15:00.53 | wols_ | yettenet: that will change it system wide howerver. to change it for your user only, there are env vars like LANG; LC_ALL, etc |
| 15:00.53 | rvilera | hackish, but cleaner |
| 15:00.58 | wols_ | rvilera: qemu |
| 15:01.02 | rvilera | yeah qemu |
| 15:01.06 | wols_ | rvilera: UML |
| 15:01.07 | rvilera | with a kernel accelerator |
| 15:01.09 | rvilera | hmm |
| 15:01.11 | itchi | My UPS only stay up for 20 mins :-( |
| 15:01.12 | rvilera | UML? |
| 15:01.16 | wols_ | user mode linux |
| 15:01.20 | rvilera | doh ok |
| 15:01.26 | rvilera | qemu is cleaner. more contained. |
| 15:01.35 | rvilera | that's a really good option |
| 15:01.36 | fengor | itchi: be glad you have one at least. mine is still on the wish lsit :( |
| 15:01.44 | wols_ | rvilera: yes, but newer, less "stable" |
| 15:01.46 | DeadBird | wols_ what is a alsa one-liner |
| 15:01.49 | fengor | s/lsit/list/ |
| 15:01.52 | rvilera | thanks for the idea wols_ |
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| 15:02.01 | wols_ | DeadBird: what dpkg messaged you |
| 15:02.02 | itchi | fengor: I have buy a very cheap one, arround 100 euro |
| 15:02.02 | rvilera | oh qemu has so far worked well for me |
| 15:02.17 | DeadBird | oh now i see it |
| 15:02.19 | DeadBird | thanx |
| 15:02.25 | rvilera | I wonder where I can get potato isos.... ah the archive. |
| 15:02.41 | fengor | hehe well ill keep my eyes open after i come back from the holydays. fisrt one ill go abraod for over 10 years ;p |
| 15:02.44 | wols_ | DeadBird: alsaconf if the stuff is already installed |
| 15:03.04 | wols_ | rvilera: what evil software is this you need to run? |
| 15:03.25 | yettenet | wols_: Do I need to restart after setting it? :P |
| 15:03.32 | rvilera | wols_: old informix database |
| 15:03.36 | rvilera | wols_: to use as a client |
| 15:03.42 | talisker | How do I restart apache? |
| 15:03.44 | wols_ | yettenet: no :) |
| 15:03.54 | wols_ | talisker: /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 15:04.15 | wols_ | yettenet: you might have to log out and log in again tho |
| 15:04.20 | wols_ | yettenet: depending what you do |
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| 15:05.17 | rvilera | Holy gods! potato wasn't even shadow based! |
| 15:05.19 | DeadBird | i tried alsaconf but doesnt showup |
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| 15:05.40 | wols_ | DeadBird: as root? |
| 15:05.45 | DeadBird | yes |
| 15:05.47 | yettenet | wols_: I'm trying to make my terminal accept iso-8859-2 characters |
| 15:06.00 | DeadBird | got it came with utils |
| 15:06.00 | wols_ | yettenet: did you dpkg-reconfigure locales? |
| 15:06.04 | DeadBird | thanx again |
| 15:06.07 | yettenet | wols_: Nope :) |
| 15:06.21 | wols_ | yettenet: dpkg told you what to do |
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| 15:07.08 | DeadBird | i still cannot get my DVB-T in Kaffeine not to lag anymore |
| 15:07.16 | simmerz | does anyone know if awstats knows about iceweasel? |
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| 15:08.23 | rvsjoen | is it normal that netstat show 19 connected unix streams to /dev/log ? |
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| 15:10.09 | rvsjoen | I also seem to have serious amounts of unix streams to the postfix master process |
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| 15:11.07 | tabris|away | rvsjoen: yes, that is rather normal. |
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| 15:11.48 | rvsjoen | alright, no worries then :) |
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| 15:13.25 | pmd | AhrAsyL ^^ |
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| 15:13.58 | yettenet | wols_: I did dpkg-reconfigure but I still don't see some characters :( |
| 15:14.04 | rvilera | wols_: I have an informix based error but so far the glibc on the chroot seems to work |
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| 15:15.34 | rvilera | altough if I'm going to do this... I can do it all the way |
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| 15:16.04 | el_mexicano | hi there |
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| 15:16.25 | el_mexicano | Postfix not automaticcally starts on system start since I am installed policyd-weight. Error message: postfix/postfix-script: fatal: usage: postfix start ... |
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| 15:16.45 | putridp | i'm running a Pentium 500Mhz with 128MB ram diskless. It's getting periodic 'oom-killer' events in the syslog, presumably due to memory problems. Obviously putting in more memory is required, but is it possible to run swap over nfs? |
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| 15:17.49 | chops | putridp: Swap over nbd is better, I've done that before |
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| 15:18.57 | chops | putridp: I would suspect that swap over nfs would work, but it might be susceptible to deadlocks... |
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| 15:20.19 | jeward | So do sarge boxes still get security updates? |
| 15:20.36 | putridp | chops: thanks, i'll look into that. |
| 15:20.36 | fengor | yes |
| 15:20.36 | fengor | jeward: yes |
| 15:20.50 | jeward | fengor: So I should be expecting a new kernel this week? |
| 15:20.53 | chops | jeward: Yes, for a year or so after etch's release (or until lenny releases, whichever comes first) |
| 15:20.56 | fengor | for at least a year if i'm not mistaken |
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| 15:21.05 | fengor | jeward: on sarge? of course not |
| 15:21.16 | chops | jeward: Not for a 2.6.18 kernel :-) |
| 15:21.19 | tabris|away | a kernel every week? that'll be annoying. |
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| 15:21.37 | jeward | fengor: But they've found holes... because my kernel is older? |
| 15:22.01 | nisur | hi, my sound card isn't working correctly. when I want to play an mp3 on xmms says: Your soundcard is configured properly. You have the correct output plugin selected... but with movie player works fine |
| 15:22.19 | jeward | Do those holes not exist in the 2.6.8-2-686-smp kernel? |
| 15:22.22 | js_ | how come debian uses grub 0.97 when 1.95 has been out since 2006-10-15? |
| 15:22.22 | nisur | what should I do to fix this problem? |
| 15:22.31 | fengor | jeward: url please |
| 15:23.03 | jeward | fengor: I get it in e-mail: Subject: [SECURITY] [DSA 1289-1] New Linux 2.6.18 packages fix several vulnerabilities |
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| 15:25.09 | chops | jeward: I was actually wondering the same thing... presumably there will be a separate advisory for the 2.6.8 kernels that come with sarge |
| 15:25.20 | chops | jeward: But if you find out one way or another, please let me know :-) |
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| 15:25.29 | jeward | chops: ;-) |
| 15:25.31 | fengor | hmm could be that hte problem existed in 2.6.8 already but could be that it was introduced atlater time |
| 15:25.47 | n3kl_ | Anyone know a good thumbnail gallery application? |
| 15:25.49 | fengor | if it existed i think there will be security upgrades available via apt |
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| 15:26.15 | Coweater | js_: because 1.95 is a development version leading up to grub 2 |
| 15:26.16 | fengor | n3kl_: perl? |
| 15:26.36 | chops | n3kl_: 'gallery' is one I've seen used a couple of places |
| 15:26.49 | js_ | Coweater: i see |
| 15:26.49 | n3kl_ | fengor: yeah, I have been working on learning perl the past few days for exactly that |
| 15:27.28 | n3kl_ | chops: I have used gallery, but it does not embed nicely. I tries to take over the site and I don't know php well enough to keep it from happening. |
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| 15:27.46 | chops | n3kl_: Sadly, no web applications really embed nicely... |
| 15:27.51 | pdbogen | Is there a package I can use that will simply list which packages need to be updated in apt? |
| 15:29.44 | n3kl_ | chops: probably true =] |
| 15:29.44 | chops | n3kl_: You could use twiki, move your whole site to it, and then use the ImageGalleryPlugin. Then it would integrate nicely. |
| 15:29.44 | fengor | n3kl_: i might have a link to a perl; snipept handy which you could extend probably. let me check my bookmarks |
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| 15:29.46 | n3kl_ | fengor: that would be awesome, as I am trying to learn perl at this moment. So far, I am about halfway through converting my bash backup script into perl. That would be a good second task. |
| 15:29.47 | nisur | hi, my sound card isn't working correctly. when I want to play an mp3 on xmms says: Your soundcard is configured properly. You have the correct output plugin selected... but with movie player works fine. What should I do to fix this? |
| 15:29.47 | chops | n3kl_: I think the existing "best practices" approach is to hack the templates until your custom app looks approximately like the rest of your site, call it a day, and let the navigation on each app slowly migrate away from the "real site" navigation. |
| 15:29.47 | n3kl_ | chops: twiki huh? Googleing... |
| 15:29.47 | pdbogen | nisur : Change your output plugin in xmms. |
| 15:29.58 | n3kl_ | chops: I am running wordpress right now, which seems similar. |
| 15:30.18 | fengor | n3kl_: http://perlmonks.org/?node_id=53402 i used that as a base for a mini gallery once |
| 15:30.18 | pdbogen | n3kl_ : Twiki is a wiki. Wordpress is blogging software. Not quite the same. |
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| 15:30.30 | fengor | maybe it helps you out as it did for me |
| 15:30.30 | lhadji | Do you need some help fengor ? |
| 15:30.37 | fengor | lhadji: no |
| 15:30.54 | n3kl_ | pdbogen: true, but it works for my purposes. |
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| 15:31.07 | chops | n3kl_: Yeah. What is really required is separate package management for web applications -- store metadata about each webapp's template format, navigation, and searching requirements, and have a separate subsystem to keep everything in sync by rewriting the app's configuration files based on a universal site configuration. |
| 15:31.08 | n3kl_ | fengor: ah, I see... |
| 15:31.18 | chops | n3kl_: Also everyone should get a pony ride |
| 15:31.55 | xoz_ | nisur, max the volume? |
| 15:32.13 | xoz_ | nisur: try aumix and max all volume |
| 15:32.21 | n3kl_ | chops: ha, pretty true. I need to learn php so I can build my own to interface with mysql |
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| 15:33.37 | n3kl_ | fengor: so when using perl, you specify file names with <> ? I have only seen the open filehandle <>, not used directly as <>. |
| 15:33.52 | nisur | pdbogen: still not working |
| 15:34.12 | n3kl_ | nisur: do you have sound in any other application? |
| 15:34.37 | nisur | n3kl_: when I play something on the web I don't |
| 15:34.43 | n3kl_ | fengor: I think this will help a bunch, thanks. |
| 15:34.44 | lhadji | Do you need some help n3kl_ ? |
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| 15:35.10 | n3kl_ | lhadji: I don't think so, but perhaps I am biased. =] |
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| 15:35.34 | xoz_ | nisur: give more info. we are not prophets |
| 15:36.10 | n3kl_ | nisur will travel to the mountains of OIHDSWN and .... |
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| 15:36.43 | Assargadon | good day |
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| 15:37.05 | yumanda | How to install ia32-libs-gtk on a 64bit machine, one apps needs this pkg,but i cannt find it |
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| 15:37.17 | Zap-W | hi , do i need to compile custom kernel images if i want to dump them on a tftp server for diskless clients or can i use the ones in the packages repository |
| 15:37.23 | nisur | xoz_, when I play a flash game or something on the web I don't have sound, anyway I've got volume 100%, don't know what could be the problem |
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| 15:37.59 | fengor | n3kl_: no problem the thank goes to merlyn not me ;) |
| 15:38.08 | nisur | xoz_: I've checked all over the place but still dont get it |
| 15:38.09 | Assargadon | After PHP5 installing I cannot boot my linux box. I obtain grub miniloader only...what can I do? |
| 15:38.17 | xoz_ | Zap-W: there is a doc for that in debian.org including what kernel to use |
| 15:38.25 | itchi | Assargadon: You probably messed up somethings |
| 15:38.34 | itchi | Assargadon: But not about PHP anyway |
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| 15:38.55 | xoz_ | nisur: but other apps like a player such as vlc / xmms works? |
| 15:38.58 | Assargadon | itchi: this PHP installation replace my kernel for some reason |
| 15:39.07 | cahoot | nisur: what's FIREFOX_DSP set to? |
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| 15:39.38 | fengor | Assargadon: what distro and what version of the distro are you running? |
| 15:39.38 | n3kl_ | chops: is twiki better than mediawiki |
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| 15:39.39 | nisur | xoz_: no.. |
| 15:39.45 | nisur | cahoot: i'm using iceweasel |
| 15:39.47 | chops | n3kl_: It depends on what you want |
| 15:39.57 | Assargadon | fengor: Debian 3.1 Sarge |
| 15:40.05 | chops | n3kl_: mediawiki is a better wiki IMO, but twiki has more add-ons and extensions that can easily be added |
| 15:40.16 | fengor | and what is lsited in your sources.list? |
| 15:40.26 | cahoot | nisur: so what's ICEWEASEL_DSP set to? |
| 15:40.30 | Zap-W | xoz_: can you show me |
| 15:40.33 | chops | n3kl_: I was mostly joking about switching to twiki and using ImageGalleryPlugin, BTW :-/ |
| 15:40.44 | n3kl_ | chops: oh |
| 15:41.12 | n3kl_ | chops: you got a website? What are you using? Homebrew? |
| 15:41.15 | Assargadon | fengor: I cannot tell you, what listed in my sources list - as far as I cannot boot linux. |
| 15:41.17 | itchi | Assargadon: Check you /etc/apt/sources.list i guess it point to 'stable' and not to 'Sarge' |
| 15:41.25 | chops | n3kl_: It's true that switching to twiki and using add-ons is a halfway feasible solution to the "I need apps but then my web site becomes a frankensteinish concoction" problem, though... |
| 15:41.27 | n3kl_ | Assargadon: time to reinstall man |
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| 15:41.32 | fengor | itchi: thats what i think too |
| 15:41.36 | nisur | cahoot: where is that? |
| 15:41.51 | itchi | Assargadon: I guess that you have upgraded your system |
| 15:41.58 | itchi | dist upgraded* |
| 15:41.59 | cahoot | nisur: in /etc/icewaesel/iceweaselrc |
| 15:42.02 | n3kl_ | chops: I think I just need to learn php. |
| 15:42.05 | chops | n3kl_: Both of the websites I maintain use twiki for most content, but they also both have other apps installed and not very well-integrated (mailing list archives, bugzilla, search) |
| 15:42.19 | n3kl_ | chops: right... |
| 15:42.31 | Assargadon | fengor: but there are 2 Sarge DVDs, two russian mirrors (one marked as SRC) and Debian's update site |
| 15:42.34 | chops | n3kl_: I do like installing twiki plugins much better than doing the hackwork required to install separate apps, though |
| 15:42.34 | nisur | cahoot: "none" |
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| 15:42.50 | nisur | cahoot: ICEWEASEL_DSP="none" |
| 15:43.01 | cahoot | nisur: ok no further questions |
| 15:43.11 | fengor | Assargadon: that info doesnt help is there explicitly sarge listed or stable unstable testing? |
| 15:43.11 | itchi | Assargadon: Use a rescue cd and check you /boot/grub/menu.lst maybe |
| 15:43.11 | lhadji | Do you need some help fengor ? |
| 15:43.19 | chops | n3kl_: I wasn't kidding at all about package management for web apps. The state of the art in maintaining complex websites is shockingly poor, but this problem has already been solved for general-purpose software. |
| 15:43.21 | x_link | If I want to see how many files there is in my Wallpaper dir. which command should I use then? |
| 15:43.25 | fengor | lhadji: no ffs. are you some kind of freaky bot? |
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| 15:43.30 | Assargadon | itchi: yes, I add some memory - if you talk about this. But i remove it already, hoping this is a problem. But it doesn't help me. |
| 15:43.30 | lhadji | Do you need some help Assargadon ? |
| 15:43.38 | cydork | test |
| 15:43.46 | itchi | Assargadon: Should be not a problem that |
| 15:43.58 | itchi | cydork: Failed! |
| 15:44.00 | Assargadon | itchi: I think so too. |
| 15:44.08 | cydork | itchi: so it's not a bot? :P |
| 15:44.09 | chops | n3kl_: Like I said, I generally make do with hacking templates and accepting imperfections. |
| 15:44.13 | Assargadon | lhadji: yes, I need :) |
| 15:44.37 | Assargadon | itchi: is it possible to view this list using grub functionality itself? |
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| 15:45.14 | itchi | Assargadon: You need to boot with a rescue cd, mount you hdd and look what there may happend. I suggest that you reboot on that live cd and then come back here for feedback$ |
| 15:45.34 | HyperDevi | i have installed postfix, but mail is not available?? |
| 15:45.34 | itchi | The '$' is a glitch heh |
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| 15:45.56 | Zap-W | xoz_: i cant find it |
| 15:45.57 | itchi | HyperDevi: Wait, i power on the cristal ball |
| 15:46.06 | n3kl_ | chops: cool, thanks for the advice. |
| 15:46.15 | Assargadon | itchi: I have no rescue CD, if only first DVD from distribution worcs as rescue... |
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| 15:46.24 | HyperDevi | itchi: i mean the mail commando |
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| 15:47.10 | cydork | HyperDevi: you mail command? /msg dpkg search |
| 15:47.10 | itchi | Assargadon: Sure, then switch to another vt |
| 15:47.10 | cydork | HyperDevi: you want mail command? |
| 15:47.10 | HyperDevi | cydork: yes i want the mail command :P postfix is already installed |
| 15:47.39 | xoz_ | Zap-W: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s06.html.en |
| 15:47.54 | Assargadon | itchi: and then I must try to mount my harddrive, yes? |
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| 15:48.08 | cydork | HyperDevi: it should be in mailx and mailutils.. anyways /msg dpkg search |
| 15:48.23 | itchi | Assargadon: Yeah |
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| 15:49.13 | HyperDevi | mailx did the trick, thanks... |
| 15:49.33 | hase_ | hello |
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| 15:49.55 | HyperDevi | :) now i have another question: does anybody here use MC, why does it crash when using file copy/move when you have a info window on the right side of your screen? |
| 15:50.06 | chops | n3kl_: np |
| 15:50.20 | hase_ | is there an way to find out wich packages are installed with the selection of standard system in tasksel |
| 15:50.27 | Assargadon | itchi: i don't see nothing appropriate in /dev.... |
| 15:50.39 | Assargadon | itchi: nothing like HD0 :) |
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| 15:50.52 | itchi | Assargadon: /dev/hda probably |
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| 15:51.12 | itchi | Assargadon: sda too |
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| 15:51.35 | itchi | Assargadon: Look with cat /proc/partitions |
| 15:51.38 | Assargadon | itchi: sda for sata drives? |
| 15:51.52 | itchi | Assargadon: Yup |
| 15:52.05 | cydork | hase_: tasksel --task-packages <taskname> |
| 15:52.10 | cydork | hase_: man tasksel |
| 15:52.39 | hase_ | i'll try out |
| 15:52.42 | hase_ | :) |
| 15:52.47 | cydork | hase_: hmm wait |
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| 15:52.59 | HyperDevi | where can i report bugs? |
| 15:53.04 | cydork | hase_: "standard system" is not in tasksel. |
| 15:53.05 | hase_ | netinstall has no man |
| 15:53.08 | Assargadon | itchi: one second, I switch to console before hardware detection process ;) |
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| 15:53.37 | Zap-W | xoz_: |
| 15:53.39 | Zap-W | 10x |
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| 15:53.44 | ejabns | -ChanServ- [#ubuntu] Welcome to #ubuntu! Please read the channel topic and consider spending some time on the FAQ mentioned there |
| 15:53.47 | ejabns | <ecl> master_metal_ja_: se for a lib. mysql, você tem mysql_fetch_assoc() e varios outro |
| 15:53.49 | ejabns | -ChanServ- [#ubuntu] Welcome to #ubuntu! Please read the channel topic and consider spending some time on the FAQ mentioned there |
| 15:53.52 | ejabns | <ecl> master_metal_ja_: se for a lib. mysql, você tem mysql_fetch_assoc() e varios outro |
| 15:53.55 | ejabns | ##php-br |
| 15:53.58 | ejabns | ##php-br |
| 15:54.00 | ejabns | ##php-br |
| 15:54.02 | ejabns | ##php-br |
| 15:54.05 | itchi | Assargadon: I'm not sure about the Debian install cd |
| 15:54.06 | ejabns | ##php-br |
| 15:54.08 | ejabns | ##php-br |
| 15:54.13 | itchi | stew: What's up?? |
| 15:54.14 | ejabns | ##php-br |
| 15:54.20 | chops | !op ejabns, please... |
| 15:54.22 | ejabns | ##php-br |
| 15:54.26 | ejabns | ##php-br |
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| 15:54.28 | ejabns | ##php-br |
| 15:54.29 | chops | !ops help us with ejabns |
| 15:54.29 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: chops complains about: help us with ejabns |
| 15:54.30 | lhadji | Do you need some help chops ? |
| 15:54.30 | lhadji | Do you need some help dpkg ? |
| 15:54.30 | ejabns | ##php-br |
| 15:54.34 | ejabns | ##php-br |
| 15:54.36 | ejabns | ##php-br |
| 15:54.38 | ejabns | ##php-br |
| 15:54.39 | Zap-W | er |
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| 15:54.40 | ejabns | ##php-br |
| 15:54.42 | hase_ | i sit in front of an computer , installing etch an i have the choise for installing desktop webf ile prin dns database mail server or laptop or standard system |
| 15:54.46 | itchi | ejabns: Anyway, that's i never gona go there! |
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| 15:55.04 | ejabns | -ChanServ- [#ubuntu] Welcome to #ubuntu! Please read the channel topic and consider spending some time on the FAQ mentioned there |
| 15:55.04 | ejabns | <ecl> master_metal_ja_: se for a lib. mysql, você tem mysql_fetch_assoc() e varios outro |
| 15:55.08 | ejabns | ##php-br |
| 15:55.10 | ejabns | ##php-br |
| 15:55.12 | ejabns | ##php-br |
| 15:55.16 | ejabns | ##php-br |
| 15:55.18 | cydork | !ops ejabns is spamming |
| 15:55.19 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: cydork complains about: ejabns is spamming |
| 15:55.20 | ejabns | ##php-br |
| 15:55.22 | ejabns | ##php-br |
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| 15:55.24 | ejabns | ##php-br |
| 15:55.26 | ejabns | ##php-br |
| 15:55.28 | ejabns | ##php-br |
| 15:55.30 | ejabns | ##php-br |
| 15:55.34 | itchi | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:55.34 | Assargadon | itchi: now I see couple of partitions |
| 15:55.34 | ejabns | ##php-br |
| 15:55.40 | ejabns | ##php-br |
| 15:55.42 | ejabns | ##php-br |
| 15:55.46 | ejabns | ##php-br |
| 15:55.53 | itchi | Assargadon: You need to figure out which one is the right one :-) |
| 15:55.54 | ejabns | ##php-br |
| 15:56.10 | HyperDevi | where can i report bugs? |
| 15:56.14 | sepski | !bts |
| 15:56.14 | dpkg | somebody said bts was the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 15:56.15 | Assargadon | itchi: they all linux partitions |
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| 15:56.18 | ejabns | ##php-br |
| 15:56.22 | ejabns | ##php-br |
| 15:56.24 | ejabns | ##php-br |
| 15:56.24 | Assargadon | itchi: what I need? Root one? |
| 15:56.26 | ejabns | ##php-br |
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| 15:56.36 | itchi | Assargadon: /boot/ |
| 15:56.38 | ejabns | ##php-br |
| 15:56.40 | ejabns | ##php-br |
| 15:56.42 | ejabns | ##php-br |
| 15:56.57 | itchi | Assargadon: To verify the /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 15:57.03 | dfa001 | !ops ejabns |
| 15:57.03 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: dfa001 complains about: ejabns |
| 15:57.06 | ejabns | ##php-br |
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| 15:57.08 | ejabns | ##php-br |
| 15:57.13 | itchi | dfa001: We know but ... |
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| 15:57.25 | master_metal_ja_ | NOOB #PHP |
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| 15:57.26 | itchi | dfa001: The ops got 3 times a report about it :-) |
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| 15:57.39 | srand | SlayerXP: are you stupid?! |
| 15:57.49 | dfa001 | =P never hurts to make the point to them |
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| 15:58.20 | Assargadon | itchi: one named "hdd" looking very attractive, but how can I mount it, as far as I don't see device like "hdd" in /dev ? |
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| 15:58.50 | chops | Assargadon: Generally you want to mount partitions (e.g. /dev/hdd1) instead of disks (e.g. /dev/hdd) |
| 15:58.54 | SlayerXP | for some reason ##php-br seem to object to us spamming their channel |
| 15:58.56 | SlayerXP | well, by 'us' I mean 'me' |
| 15:59.15 | chops | SlayerXP: What happened? |
| 15:59.16 | hase_ | anybody know what the phrasse standartsystem at install means? |
| 15:59.18 | itchi | Assargadon: Are you sure there is not some devices in /dev/ ? Maybe is it sda?? |
| 15:59.25 | Assargadon | chops: of course... |
| 15:59.44 | itchi | Assargadon: I not have test that with the install cd, but i thought it should work for that |
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| 16:00.31 | cydork | SlayerXP: huh?? |
| 16:00.49 | irule | how can I install ip? apt-get install ip does not find anything, this is for running "ip route list " thanks |
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| 16:01.23 | sn0 | irule install iproute |
| 16:01.28 | itchi | no |
| 16:01.32 | itchi | irule: hold on |
| 16:01.53 | Assargadon | itchi: I have directory /dev/discs and something called disc0 there... |
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| 16:02.24 | itchi | wtf |
| 16:02.29 | itchi | sn0: Sorry heh :-p |
| 16:02.33 | en1gma | is there a beryl testing or sid |
| 16:02.38 | sn0 | :-) np |
| 16:02.42 | en1gma | i mean is it on the debian repos |
| 16:02.53 | Assargadon | what is the option for ls to look some more info? For example, to determine what entries is directories, and what is files |
| 16:02.57 | en1gma | in contrib or non-free |
| 16:02.59 | itchi | splitting screen make me crazy |
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| 16:03.15 | Pupeno | Hello. |
| 16:03.17 | Pupeno | Is it possible to check that two files refeer to the same data (that is, they are hard links)? |
| 16:03.33 | thingfish | en1gma: /msg dpkg beryl |
| 16:03.40 | sn0 | en1gma not in debian repos not, im using tuxfamily.org unofficial repos for sid |
| 16:03.44 | sn0 | not=no |
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| 16:05.46 | irule | /etc/network/interfaces or /etc/network/interface in debian etch? :s |
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| 16:05.57 | xand | irule: the latter, always has been |
| 16:05.58 | xand | erm |
| 16:06.00 | xand | the former |
| 16:06.17 | xand | well maybe not always, but as far as I can remember :) |
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| 16:10.12 | Begasus | is there an official chan for the guys doing the svg etc icons? |
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| 16:11.13 | itchi | Begasus: There is the debianart website, AFIAK |
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| 16:11.44 | Begasus | checking .. thnx itchi |
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| 16:12.14 | piti | Hi everyone, I have a problem using iceweasel and a recent jvm (Sun 1.6), I have installed the jvm, make symulated links to the browser (libjavaplugin_oji.so), and when I launch an applet (through iceweseal), the browser freezes and I have to kill it manualy... any idea ? |
| 16:12.44 | Begasus | checked if the plugin is installed correctly? |
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| 16:12.53 | sn0 | piti it sounds like you installed java manually? ooO |
| 16:12.56 | Begasus | "about: plugins" iirc |
| 16:13.07 | Begasus | hehe |
| 16:13.11 | itchi | piti: You should not need to manually symlink the stuff |
| 16:13.24 | AgentSmith | sn0... |
| 16:13.32 | untitled | hi, what can i remove in minimal debian system to have ~300MB more? |
| 16:13.35 | AgentSmith | It appears you have been leading two lives. |
| 16:13.38 | untitled | now it is ~1,2G |
| 16:13.45 | piti | About:plugins tells me that java is enabled (from 1.1 to 1.6) |
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| 16:13.56 | sn0 | untitled deb files are kept in /var/cache/apt/archives , you could clear those to free up some space |
| 16:13.56 | itchi | untitled: Your downloaded deb packages |
| 16:14.07 | untitled | thx |
| 16:14.12 | sn0 | AgentSmith i am leading 3 lives, how did you find me |
| 16:14.16 | AgentSmith | In one you are a successful person, respected by your peers .... while in the other you are sn0.. a homosexual spreading nazi propoganda among the innocent users of the internet |
| 16:14.23 | itchi | untitled: Use the right command for that heh, no do it be the hand, use apt-get clean |
| 16:14.30 | AgentSmith | One of these lives has a future... |
| 16:14.36 | untitled | itchi: ok thx |
| 16:15.03 | sn0 | AgentSmith you must have me mixed up with someone else |
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| 16:15.27 | AgentSmith | sn0 |
| 16:15.35 | AgentSmith | How can you speak... when you have no mouth! |
| 16:15.44 | sn0 | with my keyboard :-) |
| 16:15.53 | untitled | itchi: that made ~100M :) are there some more ways? :) |
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| 16:16.41 | itchi | untitled: Uninstall unwanted software |
| 16:16.45 | itchi | untitled: Did you install X ? |
| 16:17.03 | untitled | i am doing that right now..but it is minimal installation and i do need X.. |
| 16:17.10 | piti | Sn0 I've installed java manually, because I need a 1.6 jvm, and (I'm a begginer with debian) I didn't manage with synaptic... |
| 16:18.09 | sn0 | piti ah ia32-sun-java6-bin is only in lenny/sid, not in etch |
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| 16:18.24 | itchi | untitled: Gnome or kde? These both take much space, install and use only fluxbox maybe?? |
| 16:18.39 | AgentSmith | NO |
| 16:18.53 | AgentSmith | USE ICEWM |
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| 16:19.09 | AgentSmith | and rox |
| 16:19.09 | itchi | ... or whatever light thingy :-p |
| 16:19.18 | AgentSmith | icewm > all |
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| 16:19.22 | AgentSmith | and use rox with it |
| 16:19.40 | infester | whats rox? |
| 16:19.43 | AgentSmith | desktop |
| 16:19.50 | infester | icic |
| 16:19.51 | AgentSmith | you can use icons |
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| 16:19.53 | AgentSmith | n all that |
| 16:19.57 | infester | yea =P |
| 16:20.05 | itchi | With fluxbox too |
| 16:20.13 | itchi | See the grlm rescue cd for example |
| 16:20.16 | AgentSmith | fluxbox < icewm |
| 16:20.20 | untitled | itchi: i do use fluxbox :) decided to remove X anyway, locate the file i need, move it somethere and then install X again :) |
| 16:20.23 | infester | i like pekwm :] |
| 16:20.46 | piti | Sn0 : http://pastebin.ca/487681 you can find the output of about:plugins. |
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| 16:21.13 | itchi | s/grlm/grml/ |
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| 16:22.14 | sn0 | piti what applet causes it to crash? |
| 16:22.22 | yettenet | Damn, I have set my locale to an ISO-compatible one... now I can't type 2 special characters in the terminal windows |
| 16:22.39 | yettenet | Can anyone help? |
| 16:22.39 | lhadji | Do you need some help yettenet ? |
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| 16:22.46 | yettenet | lhadji: Sort of :P |
| 16:23.36 | itchi | yettenet: Set it again back heh. dpkg-reconfigure locales probably |
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| 16:23.52 | piti | Sn0: I saw it first with an applet I wrote (which does work in eclipse), but I test with other applets, and it is the same : iceweasel is frozen and I can't do anything expect killing it! |
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| 16:24.49 | yettenet | itchi: But I need those special characters both in tty (it works there since I did the above mentioned locale setting with dpkg-reconfigure) and in the normal terminals (which doesn't work since then) |
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| 16:24.58 | sn0 | not sure what to say piti , maybe try and grab the version from lenny but i haven't tried so please check |
| 16:25.02 | mozzz | hi |
| 16:25.08 | mozzz | i need help |
| 16:25.08 | lhadji | Do you need some help mozzz ? |
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| 16:25.09 | mozzz | yes |
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| 16:25.20 | itchi | yettenet: Oh, did you reload the stuff? logout and login back |
| 16:25.21 | mozzz | i'm not online |
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| 16:25.30 | yettenet | itchi: I even restarted |
| 16:25.42 | mozzz | ifconfig gives me only lo, where i have also eth0 and eth1 |
| 16:25.48 | itchi | yettenet: Did you difine it for a user maybe?? |
| 16:26.00 | yettenet | itchi: I ran sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 16:26.02 | Nielsen | mozzz: try ifconfig -a |
| 16:26.06 | yettenet | itchi: I don't think so therefore |
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| 16:26.27 | sheldonh | any word on when the release signature for sdo is going to be fixed? |
| 16:26.40 | mozzz | Nielsen, ifconfig -a gives me just lo |
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| 16:27.08 | Nielsen | mozzz: then you need to figure out what netcard you have and load the linux driver for it |
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| 16:27.44 | mozzz | Nielsen, the two netcard are supposed to be already installed |
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| 16:28.10 | irule | http://pastebin.ca/487691 someone please help me, this is a routing error |
| 16:28.10 | lhadji | Do you need some help irule ? |
| 16:28.20 | mozzz | Nielsen, they were installed and working until I rebooted |
| 16:28.25 | Nielsen | mozzz: clearly ifconfig doesn't agree |
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| 16:28.32 | irule | lhadji yes |
| 16:28.35 | infester | I've patched my kernel with the bootsplash patch from the package linux-patch-bootsplash, how do i know what to add in my kernel now? |
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| 16:29.21 | mozzz | Nielsen, so what should I do to check whether the're installed or not? |
| 16:29.26 | mozzz | maybe lsmod? |
| 16:29.33 | cydork | help |
| 16:29.34 | lhadji | Do you need some help cydork ? |
| 16:29.40 | cydork | !ops lhadji is a bot |
| 16:29.40 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: cydork complains about: lhadji is a bot |
| 16:29.40 | AKX^ | Uhm |
| 16:29.50 | AKX^ | Any sane explanation for the following: |
| 16:29.50 | AKX^ | box:~# touch foo |
| 16:29.50 | AKX^ | box:~# mv foo bar |
| 16:29.51 | AKX^ | Segmentation fault |
| 16:29.51 | Nielsen | mozzz: first find out what type of card it is, then load the drivers for it |
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| 16:29.58 | AKX^ | ... sorry. |
| 16:30.20 | Nielsen | AKX^: the uhm was the straw ;) |
| 16:30.28 | AKX^ | Likely, yes. |
| 16:30.38 | AKX^ | But still - any sane explanation for "mv" always causing a segfault? |
| 16:31.03 | Nielsen | AKX^: maybe it's linked to a missing or broken shared object |
| 16:31.19 | AKX^ | Nielsen: ideas to fix this? |
| 16:31.32 | sn0 | AKX^ ram? |
| 16:31.36 | itchi | AKX^: I may say that you have broke your toy |
| 16:31.40 | Nielsen | sn0: good point |
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| 16:31.47 | itchi | AKX^: The question may, what did you? |
| 16:31.54 | AKX^ | Other services work perfectly, there's no changes done |
| 16:31.55 | sn0 | last week someone had a problem with apt-get update segfaulting |
| 16:32.01 | sn0 | turned out to be RAM was faulty |
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| 16:32.18 | rvsjoen | upgrade coreutils maybe = |
| 16:32.54 | sheldonh | are the instructions for truetype fonts here still good for etch? file:///usr/share/doc/Debian/reference/ch-tune.en.html#s-xfs-tt |
| 16:33.06 | Nielsen | AKX^: give your ram a test: apt-get install memtest86+ ;update-grub;reboot |
| 16:33.17 | AKX^ | Nielsen: Can't, production server machine :F |
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| 16:33.24 | yoshio | AKX^: try "ltrace mv foo bar", and see where it segfaults |
| 16:33.35 | Nielsen | AKX^: apt-get install memtester |
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| 16:34.11 | AKX^ | yoshio: no ltrace, tried to install... |
| 16:34.15 | AKX^ | got a segfault with rm. |
| 16:34.16 | Nielsen | yoshio: what is the difference between ltrace and strace? |
| 16:34.19 | yoshio | AKX^: or try strace if you don't have ltrace. try also "ldd /bin/mv", and make sure you have all of the *.so files installed |
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| 16:34.49 | rvsjoen | strace traces system calls while ltrace traces library calls |
| 16:34.56 | yoshio | Nielsen: don't know, but ltrace is less verbose, easier to follow |
| 16:34.56 | Nielsen | cool |
| 16:35.05 | yettenet | itchi: Isn't it possible to set it separately for terminal? |
| 16:35.08 | yoshio | rvsjoen: ah! |
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| 16:35.26 | Noborusan | does it use mpm-worker by default by using apt-get install apache2 ? |
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| 16:35.28 | rvsjoen | strace also traces signals I think |
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| 16:36.16 | piztek3 | where else can I change fonts in gnome, i'm coming from kde and have changed all the fonts I can, but a lot of fonts are still my old fonts. |
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| 16:36.44 | endra | hey |
| 16:36.56 | piztek3 | hey |
| 16:36.57 | endra | how can I tell aptitude to install a certain package (rt2500) from cvs? |
| 16:37.08 | endra | I really have a problem with my wireless, can't get it working |
| 16:37.15 | endra | Hope that the latest version can resolve my problem :-/ |
| 16:37.29 | fengor | endra: you cant |
| 16:37.41 | fengor | at least not that i would be aware of it |
| 16:38.01 | endra | okay, so it has to be done manually |
| 16:38.09 | fengor | seems so |
| 16:38.09 | Noborusan | strange, type in rehash,says command not found ? |
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| 16:38.17 | rvsjoen | you can use module-assistant |
| 16:38.29 | yoshio | AKX^: if you can download the ltrace .deb file via your web browser, you can use "dpkg -i filename.deb" to install it manually (but it doesn't pull in dependencies, I think) |
| 16:38.31 | endra | rvsjoen: I have already used module-assistant to install 'rt2500-source' |
| 16:38.41 | endra | But I'm not sure if the source it pulled is from cvs |
| 16:39.15 | sheldonh | Noborusan: yes |
| 16:39.20 | rvsjoen | have you tried pulling the source from cvs and using module-assistant to compile it ? |
| 16:39.31 | endra | No, I am going to try that now |
| 16:39.36 | endra | How can I remove the old source? |
| 16:39.46 | Noborusan | sheldonh, hmm,i do not understand |
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| 16:40.16 | sheldonh | Noborusan: i thought you asked whether apache2 used mpm-worker by default |
| 16:40.37 | rvsjoen | I just delete the folder, no idea if debian has a better way :) |
| 16:40.45 | Noborusan | yeah,that one i just checked,yes it uses mpm-worker |
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| 16:46.53 | irule | http://pastebin.ca/487691 someone please help me, this is a routing error |
| 16:46.53 | lhadji | Do you need some help irule ? |
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| 16:49.17 | Noborusan | btw,im quite enjoying the way that debian is installing stuff :) |
| 16:49.33 | Noborusan | very very friendly |
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| 16:50.24 | MFen | does anyone here have pure-ftpd working in TLS mode? |
| 16:50.29 | MFen | i'm getting gnutls_handshake errors |
| 16:50.39 | MFen | i'm trying to figure out whether debian's pure-ftpd is broken or i'm configuring it wrong |
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| 16:52.16 | assasukasse | hi, is there any tightvnc user? |
| 16:52.53 | tarzeau | any comments on these songs? http://gnu.ethz.ch/pp1.it http://gnu.ethz.ch/pp2.it http://gnu.ethz.ch/pp3.it |
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| 16:53.31 | chops | !tell assasukasse about ask |
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| 16:56.38 | omri | what's the difference between an AP and Ad-Hoc networks? |
| 16:57.11 | assasukasse | ok i am running a small desktop, which i need to control the display 0 with a vnc program |
| 16:57.16 | liable | omri: ad-hoc is peer to perr |
| 16:57.19 | assasukasse | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:57.21 | liable | peer |
| 16:57.26 | assasukasse | i started it by adding load module vnc in xorg.conf |
| 16:57.33 | omri | can't ad-hoc have several computers in one network? |
| 16:57.34 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps i wanna do a du -hs *.rar in side a folder.. but i keep getting a list of files instead of one file sisze for a total.. |
| 16:57.35 | assasukasse | and restricted it to localhost connections |
| 16:57.42 | assasukasse | but requests too much band |
| 16:57.44 | liable | omri: no |
| 16:57.49 | assasukasse | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:57.55 | liable | omri: two afaik |
| 16:57.58 | assasukasse | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:58.07 | omri | then how come I have 3 computers on a Ad-Hoc network? |
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| 16:59.21 | omri | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_ad-hoc_network |
| 16:59.52 | assasukasse | is that possible with tightvnc or i have to stay with vnc4 |
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| 17:01.09 | rvsjoen | bbelt16ag: use -c |
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| 17:02.06 | irule | http://pastebin.ca/487691 someone please help me, this is a routing error |
| 17:02.06 | lhadji | Do you need some help irule ? |
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| 17:03.04 | gniretar_work | hi unreal-dude |
| 17:03.07 | unreal-dude | yo |
| 17:03.13 | gniretar_work | the command you want is apt-cache search packagename |
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| 17:03.26 | unreal-dude | kk |
| 17:03.48 | unreal-dude | ty |
| 17:03.48 | gniretar_work | and consider piping it to grep for a more detailed search |
| 17:03.48 | unreal-dude | yea ok |
| 17:04.26 | piti | Oops! I unfortunaly upgraded to sid! (I addeddeb http://ftp2.fr.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free to my source.list) how can I downgrade to testing/lenny ? does I just have to remove it from sources.list ? (I need some packages from sid) |
| 17:04.57 | gniretar_work | piti: you cant really. just change your sources and in a few weeks you will be mostly back to testing |
| 17:05.04 | Gnea | piti: reinstall |
| 17:05.09 | unreal-dude | well, when i had a 5200 i really didn't do much with linux, cept knoppix, but it gave no probs with the simple stuff i did |
| 17:05.24 | gniretar_work | unreal-dude: i just want good dual head support |
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| 17:05.43 | unreal-dude | ok |
| 17:05.46 | Gnea | piti: well, if you wait, testing will catch up |
| 17:05.48 | gniretar_work | and some acceleration on my desktop. transparency and crap |
| 17:05.58 | unreal-dude | well, i only ran single monitor till last week |
| 17:06.06 | unreal-dude | and thats on win, so.......... |
| 17:06.11 | gniretar_work | i am on a PCI vid card right now |
| 17:06.20 | gniretar_work | i've been using XFCE because its so lightweight |
| 17:06.26 | piti | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:06.31 | gniretar_work | i might stick with it and just add more eye candy |
| 17:06.43 | Gnea | fluxbox is lighter than xfce |
| 17:06.55 | ustunozgur | piti: did you run upgrade, or did you only change the sources.list |
| 17:07.01 | gniretar_work | yes it is but fluxbox is slightmy more minimal then i want |
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| 17:07.14 | Gnea | but if you want to get really fancy, E17 is very resource-friendly |
| 17:07.22 | gniretar_work | i do like flux tho. XFCE is my happy place between Flix and KDE/Gnome |
| 17:07.29 | gniretar_work | Flux* |
| 17:07.30 | itchi | gniretar_work: Just add some eye candy in fluxbox if you want that, like conky for example |
| 17:07.46 | Gnea | ah ok |
| 17:08.05 | Pepi | Good evening. |
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| 17:09.39 | unreal-dude | so gniretar_work, how do i change the mirror for apt-get |
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| 17:10.16 | Pepi | Any Debian Etch Mac/PPC User around that could point me to a download location of the "linux.bin" and "ramdisk.image.gz" files for Etch? |
| 17:10.21 | gniretar_work | unreal-dude it is in your /etc/apt/sources.list file |
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| 17:10.35 | unreal-dude | kk, cool |
| 17:10.39 | AKX^ | How can I force apt-get to install or at least download a package? |
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| 17:10.48 | piti | Ustunozgur I really run upgrade... |
| 17:10.56 | Pepi | I've already googled every tube on the interweb an, yet was unable to find them. |
| 17:11.01 | gniretar_work | AKX^ why do you need to force it? |
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| 17:11.05 | chops | AKX^: Why is it refusing the install the package in question? |
| 17:11.08 | ustunozgur | unreal-dude: try apt-spy |
| 17:11.17 | peterS | Pepi: you mean for the installer, or what? |
| 17:11.18 | AKX^ | Because it think it's already up to date, which it isn't, due to file corruption. |
| 17:11.25 | AKX^ | And I can't afford an attempt to remove it first. |
| 17:11.27 | chops | AKX^: --reinstall? |
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| 17:11.36 | SamuraiDio | is this the same channel as #debian@irc.debian.org? |
| 17:11.40 | unreal-dude | ustunozgur, don't got that |
| 17:11.43 | chops | SamuraiDio: no |
| 17:11.45 | peterS | SamuraiDio: no, this is irc.freenode.net |
| 17:11.46 | AKX^ | I'll try, chops. |
| 17:12.00 | SamuraiDio | hmm.. |
| 17:12.04 | peterS | irc.debian.org is a different network now |
| 17:12.16 | SamuraiDio | sure |
| 17:12.16 | ustunozgur | unreal-dude: then install it. :) |
| 17:12.31 | Pepi | peterS: Yes, the ones I put into the Kernels folder in the Mac OS Systemfolder for starting with BootX |
| 17:12.31 | SamuraiDio | this is the old debian channel. right? |
| 17:12.36 | ustunozgur | piti: for the next time you need a package from sid, try backporting. |
| 17:12.36 | unreal-dude | lol |
| 17:12.44 | unreal-dude | i need to change mirror first |
| 17:13.07 | ustunozgur | ah you can't install anything now :D |
| 17:13.21 | peterS | Pepi: you can copy the files from the minimal CD image, I guess |
| 17:13.35 | SamuraiDio | is gnuzilla.gnu.org having problens? i cannot connect from here |
| 17:13.54 | gpm | SamuraiDio: no |
| 17:13.56 | gpm | works here |
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| 17:13.59 | unreal-dude | so now i gotta find a mirror thats up |
| 17:14.06 | unreal-dude | cause mine are down for some reason |
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| 17:14.13 | Pepi | peterS: They aren't on the Netinstall image and not on the Business Card image. |
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| 17:14.30 | peterS | Pepi: those certainly have kernels and initrd images on them. I don't know the exact filenames. |
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| 17:15.01 | Pepi | They were called linux.bin and ramdisk.image.gz |
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| 17:15.18 | Pepi | with Woody, in den documentation they are referred the same for Etch. |
| 17:15.37 | peterS | that's not what Debian usually calls kernels and initrd images. the documentation is apparently out of date. |
| 17:15.45 | Pepi | I remember finally finding the woody files with the BootX Mac Download back then. |
| 17:15.58 | Pepi | But there are no files for Etch yet. |
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| 17:16.18 | Pepi | Did I mention or Mac/PPC, I guess I did. |
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| 17:17.00 | peterS | Pepi: you mentioned it. check the floppy images (boot.img, root.img) in http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-powerpc/current/images/powerpc/floppy/ |
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| 17:17.57 | SnrWup | hey guys. i need to connect to my debian box and do some stuff on it |
| 17:18.04 | SnrWup | i have root user/pass |
| 17:18.15 | gpm | you have sshd on the box? |
| 17:18.27 | sheldonh | anyone know when this is going to be fixed? GPG error: http://security.debian.org stable/updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG ... |
| 17:18.31 | SnrWup | and i can connect from its internal network bypassing the iptables which excludes internet access |
| 17:18.38 | gpm | oh, |
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| 17:18.42 | gpm | multipart question |
| 17:18.44 | gpm | my favorite |
| 17:18.56 | dererk[work] | Handle with care: http://enterpriselinuxlog.blogs.techtarget.com/2007/05/09/amd-will-deliver-open-graphics-drivers/ |
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| 17:19.21 | SnrWup | gpm as far as i know i dont have any remote admin stuff on it, but is there some way i can just telnet to it from windows 2000 server (which is on its local network) and administer it? |
| 17:19.31 | dererk[work] | jetscreamer, http://enterpriselinuxlog.blogs.techtarget.com/2007/05/09/amd-will-deliver-open-graphics-drivers/ |
| 17:19.46 | SnrWup | gpm its just that i left the city without specifically configuring it for remote access =] |
| 17:19.59 | Pepi | peterS: Those are for Newworld Macs that can use yaBoot only. I certainly orgot to mention that I want to boot an Oldworld Mac, which can only use BootX. |
| 17:20.02 | peterS | dererk[work]: please stop spamming. one reference to a URL that has nothing to do with debian is plenty |
| 17:20.33 | jetscreamer | peterS: he was typing at me, not spamming |
| 17:20.35 | peterS | Pepi: root.img seems to actually be the initrd file itself - just rename it. boot.img is an HFS filesystem that should contain a kernel. |
| 17:20.39 | jetscreamer | imo |
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| 17:20.50 | jetscreamer | peterS: esta mi amigo |
| 17:20.54 | gpm | SnrWup: i don't think so...you need to have a telnet or ssh server running/installed |
| 17:20.56 | jetscreamer | es |
| 17:21.02 | gpm | otherwise it's not listening for logins |
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| 17:21.08 | gpm | and you're f'd |
| 17:21.16 | gpm | there may be some other way i don't know though |
| 17:21.18 | dererk[work] | peterS, I think it indeed has to do with debian |
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| 17:21.36 | jetscreamer | the daily i386 root floppy doesn't seem to be being built btw |
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| 17:21.45 | SnrWup | gpm if it had something like that running and listening, what port would it be on? |
| 17:21.45 | jetscreamer | errors out i think |
| 17:21.53 | jetscreamer | from the log |
| 17:22.01 | peterS | dererk[work]: it really doesn't. and even if it did, it's some statement by some marketroid that means nothing until they actually follow through. they didn't follow through last time they said this, why should we believe them now? |
| 17:22.08 | sheldonh | dererk[work]: exciting news |
| 17:22.11 | gpm | SnrWup: that info is in /etc/services...21 for ssh i'm pretty sure. i don't know for telnet |
| 17:22.14 | peterS | talk is cheap |
| 17:22.14 | Pepi | peterS: Thanks a lot for the info, I will try that. |
| 17:22.19 | SnrWup | ok thanks |
| 17:22.25 | gpm | np |
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| 17:22.37 | gpm | it might be 22 |
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| 17:22.48 | peterS | sheldonh: it would be exciting if they'd actually committed to anything and if we had reason to believe we could trust them when they commit to stuff. neither is particularly true |
| 17:22.58 | dererk[work] | peterS, then, Forgive this poor guy to botter you |
| 17:23.15 | sheldonh | peterS: well then here's hoping |
| 17:23.16 | kaeles | is the tg3 driver broke in the 2.6 kernel or am i just having bad luck? |
| 17:23.29 | FuzzyB | port 22 sshd |
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| 17:24.11 | jetscreamer | hey i'll just log onto my amd reseller account thingy and find out |
| 17:24.30 | jetscreamer | if i can remember the pw |
| 17:24.42 | gpm | FuzzyB: thanks |
| 17:24.45 | FuzzyB | np |
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| 17:24.48 | gpm | SnrWup: it's 22, not 21! |
| 17:24.57 | FuzzyB | 21 is ftp i think |
| 17:25.04 | FuzzyB | 23 is telnet i think |
| 17:25.07 | gpm | i would grep /etc/services, but i'm remote and i forgot to run screen before starting irssi |
| 17:25.15 | peterS | why _guess_ at ports? just read /etc/services and know for sure |
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| 17:25.23 | gpm | read above |
| 17:25.28 | FuzzyB | because i just woke up and i'm pulling it from memory |
| 17:25.29 | gpm | that |
| 17:25.31 | dererk[work] | jetscreamer, what are you fighting with ? |
| 17:25.31 | gpm | plus, i'm lazy |
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| 17:25.43 | kaeles | 20 and 21 are ftp |
| 17:26.20 | os_x_hates_me | anybody installed debian on an intel mac (iMac)? |
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| 17:26.29 | peterS | you mean TCP 20 and TCP 21. UDP 21 is fsp, the file stealing protocol |
| 17:26.59 | peterS | well, technically, file service protocol, but I first heard it called the other, because of its prevalence in warez trading |
| 17:27.12 | FuzzyB | i've done alot of warez |
| 17:27.12 | gpm | the other name is better |
| 17:27.17 | FuzzyB | and i've never heard of fsp |
| 17:27.19 | FuzzyB | i know fxp |
| 17:27.30 | peterS | yeah, fsp was before your time |
| 17:27.36 | FuzzyB | somehow i doubt that |
| 17:27.40 | FuzzyB | unless it was pre 90's |
| 17:27.46 | peterS | it was early 90s |
| 17:27.55 | FuzzyB | i got into warez like 92 |
| 17:28.00 | gpm | they had warez in the early 90s? |
| 17:28.01 | FuzzyB | got out in like 02 |
| 17:28.12 | gpm | over dailup |
| 17:28.14 | FuzzyB | gpm: know what a real bbs is? |
| 17:28.29 | peterS | the main point seemed to be, because it was UDP, it was a bit harder to track connections, i.e., who was getting what warez from whom - I guess someone thought this might be a form of protection |
| 17:28.31 | gpm | well no...we were too poor to have computers when i was little |
| 17:28.35 | gpm | let alone the internet |
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| 17:28.55 | Assargadon | w\What is the difference between *-smp kernel and non-smp one ? |
| 17:29.03 | FuzzyB | one can support multi processors |
| 17:29.08 | gpm | smp can |
| 17:29.09 | gpm | specifically |
| 17:29.21 | Assargadon | thanks |
| 17:29.22 | gpm | anyway, i more than made up for the lack of internet time when i got to college |
| 17:29.25 | kaeles | mmm or maybe my nics are just overhearing |
| 17:29.32 | Assargadon | MP mean Multi Processor |
| 17:29.36 | Assargadon | And S ? |
| 17:29.39 | gpm | symmetric |
| 17:29.41 | FuzzyB | symmetric |
| 17:29.44 | kaeles | symmetric |
| 17:29.46 | Assargadon | heh |
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| 17:30.00 | FuzzyB | and it's processing |
| 17:30.01 | gpm | not simultaneous |
| 17:30.02 | FuzzyB | not processor |
| 17:30.04 | kaeles | meaning it "kinda" runs two copies of the linux kernel iirc, one for each proc |
| 17:30.08 | peterS | symmetric means it's the same type of CPU in all the slots. as opposed to a coprocessor, which is more specialised than the main processor |
| 17:30.09 | Assargadon | More interesting question is - why Debian ask me for kernel to install :) |
| 17:30.27 | raz0 | Basicly without the need for SMP, you can make certain algorithms a lot less complicated, like process scheduling. |
| 17:30.29 | gpm | Assargadon: so you can pick one |
| 17:30.43 | gpm | some people like to be able to choose |
| 17:30.44 | Assargadon | gpm: yup, but last time he don't ask |
| 17:30.53 | gpm | Assargadon: the installer you mean? |
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| 17:31.21 | gpm | i always boot with the expert option, does it ask if you don't supply it? |
| 17:31.27 | Assargadon | gpm: yes |
| 17:31.31 | gpm | oh |
| 17:31.42 | gpm | well, i guess that might be confusing a little |
| 17:31.49 | gpm | but i'd still rather decide for myself |
| 17:32.10 | Assargadon | gpm: confusing is kernel modification until PHP5 installation :) |
| 17:32.21 | gpm | you sound like yoda |
| 17:32.27 | kaeles | yea, im pretty sure my nics were overheating, now that theres a boxfan next to my server, network speed is good :P |
| 17:32.31 | gpm | 'scuse me, sound like yoda you do |
| 17:32.33 | Assargadon | gpm: and system crash after this, needing reinstall :) |
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| 17:32.42 | gpm | i see |
| 17:32.47 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps |
| 17:33.10 | gpm | yo! |
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| 17:33.15 | bbelt16ag | what if i wanted 6 partitons on two different drivers.. |
| 17:33.28 | gpm | drivers? |
| 17:33.34 | schme` | bbelt16ag: Then you want fdisk. |
| 17:33.37 | bbelt16ag | drives |
| 17:33.40 | gpm | oh |
| 17:33.42 | gpm | cfdisk |
| 17:33.44 | gpm | fdisk |
| 17:33.46 | gpm | gparted |
| 17:33.52 | gpm | make the partitions |
| 17:34.01 | gpm | then mk[fs] [device] |
| 17:34.03 | valdyn | bbelt16ag: then you set up those partitions. What is really your question? |
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| 17:34.11 | gpm | mkfs.[fs] i should say |
| 17:34.13 | bbelt16ag | i dunno.. |
| 17:34.27 | gpm | go for it you crazy man! |
| 17:34.30 | kaeles | anyone know where i can get the cpqarray.o and ccciss.o for 2.4, i tried copying the ones from my 2.6 but its a no go. |
| 17:34.45 | bbelt16ag | well for some reason when i tried to do this partition i could only make 4 instead of six. |
| 17:35.01 | bbelt16ag | i know it wierd. |
| 17:35.05 | valdyn | bbelt16ag: you can only make 4 primary partitions on one disk |
| 17:35.05 | bbelt16ag | its |
| 17:35.08 | gpm | bbelt16ag: oh, because you were making all primary partitions |
| 17:35.10 | bbelt16ag | ok |
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| 17:35.16 | gpm | you need to do logical if you want more than 4 |
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| 17:35.23 | bbelt16ag | so is there a option in debian install to make logical ones? |
| 17:35.26 | gpm | yeah |
| 17:35.28 | gpm | in fdisk |
| 17:35.30 | gpm | or cfdisk |
| 17:35.32 | gpm | or gparted |
| 17:35.35 | bbelt16ag | no the installer? |
| 17:35.36 | nvz | or neither |
| 17:35.37 | bbelt16ag | not |
| 17:35.44 | gpm | nvz: 'splain yourself? |
| 17:35.45 | nvz | bbelt16ag: yes its in the guided installer |
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| 17:35.49 | valdyn | bbelt16ag: certainly in the installer too |
| 17:35.50 | bbelt16ag | ok cxool |
| 17:36.00 | bbelt16ag | just wondering i will be on the look out for it |
| 17:36.06 | bbelt16ag | how many logicals can i make? |
| 17:36.12 | gpm | a ton |
| 17:36.13 | nvz | gpm: he's talking about d-i partitioner which asks you when you make the partition if you want it primary or logical |
| 17:36.14 | gpm | right? |
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| 17:36.16 | JordiGH | Why is Xara Xtreme in non-free? Word on the net is it's GPLed, yet it's on Debian's non-free... Oh, never mind. I see that parts of it are not free yet, but getting there. Kinda like Java, I guess... |
| 17:36.19 | nvz | bbelt16ag: more than you will need |
| 17:36.31 | bbelt16ag | ok cool |
| 17:36.33 | gpm | nvz: oh |
| 17:36.39 | bbelt16ag | like i could make amillion if i wanted>? |
| 17:36.43 | nvz | bbelt16ag: otherwise use lvm |
| 17:36.59 | valdyn | more than linux supports, actually |
| 17:37.11 | valdyn | or debian, even |
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| 17:37.15 | gpm | how many can linux handle? |
| 17:37.18 | ErkiDerLoony | !de |
| 17:37.18 | dpkg | hmm... de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 17:37.20 | h3sp4wn | You can only have 15 on scsi or sata |
| 17:37.48 | valdyn | gpm: there's no device node for partitions past 15 or somesuch |
| 17:38.07 | gpm | that seems like a silly restriction, but somehow i'm sure there's a very good reason |
| 17:38.23 | gpm | but hows about the hurd? |
| 17:38.27 | valdyn | gpm: i doubt it, its just a limitation that no one cares about |
| 17:38.39 | nvz | gpm: the reason is there is lvm :P if your system is that complex you want lvm anyhow |
| 17:38.39 | valdyn | gpm: since people already use lvm for its various advantages |
| 17:39.00 | gpm | yeah, well i certainly don't have anything that complex |
| 17:39.03 | gpm | i'm just here to learn |
| 17:39.04 | peterS | gpm: it's only silly if you like to install 25 OSes and reboot all day long playing with them. most people who bought SCSI hardware, historically, had much better things to do with their time |
| 17:39.22 | gpm | peterS: good call |
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| 17:39.50 | peterS | and yes, if you need lots of filesystems on a _single_ OS install, you generally want to use LVM |
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| 17:40.18 | doudou | how do i install ip tools (I dont know the name) like : "ip route add ..." |
| 17:40.26 | peterS | doudou: the package is named 'iproute' |
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| 17:41.17 | en1gma | how do you do an apt-get uninstall |
| 17:41.19 | en1gma | :) |
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| 17:41.23 | peterS | apt-get remove |
| 17:41.26 | en1gma | ok thnx |
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| 17:41.31 | doudou | peterS, thanks it is that one, how can i do a fake eth1? i have only one nic |
| 17:41.31 | nvz | en1gma: remove or --purge remove |
| 17:41.40 | gpm | if you want to purge config files |
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| 17:41.52 | peterS | doudou: errrr ... _why_ do you want a fake eth1? |
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| 17:43.04 | en1gma | thnx |
| 17:43.12 | doudou | peterS, i would like to route traffic into my computer, just to make beleive that i have a big network |
| 17:43.12 | peterS | doudou: I ask because what you need it for would determine the properties you want it to have |
| 17:43.16 | _Rubyxx | Since I installed Debian last week there have been no online updates....Is this normal or is something wrong with my setup? |
| 17:43.24 | mick_home | i was just reading Debian Planet and I came across this: http://www.hezmatt.org/~mpalmer/blog/general/wanted_a_telco_that_doesnt_suck.html -- it reminds me of a problem that I have been having.... anyone know of a telco in the U.S. that was NOT involved in the AT&T scandal? |
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| 17:43.35 | peterS | _Rubyxx: do you have security.debian.org in your /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 17:43.50 | mick_home | Bellsouth was bought by AT&T, Comcast also did the illegal wiretaps |
| 17:43.53 | _Rubyxx | yes |
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| 17:43.58 | mick_home | and so did Verizon |
| 17:44.20 | mick_home | what cell + land line providers are left? |
| 17:44.30 | mick_home | Cingular is now AT&T |
| 17:44.42 | kanpachi | hello, is Debian 4.0r0 = stable etch? |
| 17:44.47 | gpm | kanpachi: yes |
| 17:44.53 | kanpachi | thank you |
| 17:44.54 | kanpachi | :) |
| 17:44.56 | gpm | np |
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| 17:45.02 | gpm | that info is on debian.org |
| 17:45.02 | gpm | btw |
| 17:45.19 | gpm | oh |
| 17:45.21 | gpm | he's gone |
| 17:45.25 | doudou | peters, i trust you, i have some strange traffic going into eth0 with ttl=0, i put a iptable rule to change ttl, but i would like to do much more strange thinks |
| 17:46.06 | peterS | _Rubyxx: I think there have been a couple of security updates in the past week - but maybe you don't have those packages installed - so I wouldn't worry too much |
| 17:46.26 | doudou | peters, i can build virtual like eth? seems i saw that in kernel doc |
| 17:46.38 | peterS | doudou: I still can't figure out what you want eth1 to actually _do_, so I don't think I can be of much help |
| 17:46.38 | lhadji | Do you need some help peterS ? |
| 17:46.38 | valdyn | _Rubyxx: i got none either, that's common |
| 17:47.02 | nvz | the recent upgrades I have available are: gdk-imlib1 grip libggi2 nautilus nautilus-data tidy |
| 17:47.07 | _Rubyxx | ok |
| 17:47.10 | _Rubyxx | ty |
| 17:47.25 | doudou | peters, i will with iptable send traffic to eth1 or eth2 from eth0 |
| 17:47.42 | nvz | not sure why I even have 'tidy' |
| 17:47.53 | doudou | peters, acting like my computer is a router? |
| 17:48.12 | peterS | doudou: and then do what with it? anyway, I think creating virtual interfaces is outside the scope of iproute |
| 17:48.48 | doudou | peters, i think it is a kernel feature, aim is only education |
| 17:48.59 | peterS | we don't need no education |
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| 17:51.45 | xand | argh, plug printer in = kernel panic |
| 17:51.45 | doudou | peters, we need lot of education and lot of truth, truth is compiled in humans, and lies destroy them |
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| 17:51.46 | nvz | xand: must be an aweful intimidating printer, to make the kernel panix |
| 17:51.46 | Ronin | no thats not confusing doudou |
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| 17:51.47 | YodaYoda | doudou: Put auto <ifname> \n iface <ifname> inet static address <internalip> netmask 255.255.255.0 in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:51.53 | xand | ffs I hadn't saved the file I was gonna print |
| 17:51.57 | peterS | YodaYoda: can that really create <ifname> ex nihilo? |
| 17:52.06 | Ronin | sort of like making work for the sake of making work instead of fixing a real problem |
| 17:52.21 | doudou | i can explain why truth is in human, because logic is unique (all humans can use same computer) and truth is close to logic, babys knows that |
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| 17:52.52 | peterS | your statement, unfortunately, is _not_ close to logic |
| 17:52.53 | en1gma | is beryl supported in this channel |
| 17:52.57 | nvz | yeah and ignorance is bliss, idiots know that |
| 17:53.08 | pickcoder | or do they? |
| 17:53.11 | peterS | en1gma: insofar as it's supported at all, I guess so |
| 17:53.20 | YodaYoda | peterS: Replace <ifname> with what you want to call it and <internalip> with an ip that your computer will route not through eth0. |
| 17:53.28 | en1gma | well if someone could help us out it would be nice |
| 17:53.28 | lhadji | Do you need some help en1gma ? |
| 17:53.41 | peterS | YodaYoda: I'm asking, can that really create the interface ex nihilo? |
| 17:53.57 | en1gma | in debian etch/sid if i add these lines to the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file it crashes |
| 17:54.00 | en1gma | Section "Extensions" |
| 17:54.00 | en1gma | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:54.00 | en1gma | EndSection |
| 17:54.08 | YodaYoda | peterS: It is how vservers work. |
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| 17:54.10 | doudou | humans have always fight lies, yes it is very coherent |
| 17:54.13 | wols_ | en1gma: what videocard driver? |
| 17:54.24 | en1gma | my friend has the i865g onboard video and it works great with debian-live-beryl edition |
| 17:54.29 | peterS | I thought vservers had to create their interfaces through some other kernel mechanism |
| 17:54.54 | en1gma | i think it is supposed to use the i810 but i could have sworn when i lsmod one time i seen i915 |
| 17:55.21 | bbelt16ag | um you can boot from a logical partition? |
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| 17:55.29 | gpm | no |
| 17:55.32 | YodaYoda | peterS: I'm not sure how they work precisely, but if doudou is wanting to create a fake device then it will work for that purpose. |
| 17:55.42 | en1gma | yea when im in X i see i915 when i do an lsmod |
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| 17:55.49 | en1gma | i dont think its supposed to use that |
| 17:55.51 | wols_ | bbelt16ag: yes |
| 17:55.56 | gpm | wols_: you can? |
| 17:56.17 | wols_ | gpm: all a function of the bootloader. stuff like grub can just fine |
| 17:56.24 | gpm | lilo? |
| 17:56.27 | peterS | there exist 3 kernel drivers, yes: i810, i830, i915. |
| 17:56.29 | wols_ | gpm: shitty windows bootloader of course can't |
| 17:56.33 | gpm | meh |
| 17:56.37 | gpm | what about lilo? |
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| 17:56.39 | wols_ | lilo can do. any linux can |
| 17:56.41 | bbelt16ag | ah ok |
| 17:56.41 | gpm | cool |
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| 17:56.48 | bbelt16ag | thats freaking cool |
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| 17:56.59 | doudou | YodaYoda, i wrote what you told me, but do you know the command that /etc/interface will launch? |
| 17:56.59 | wols_ | gpm: linux is no great on artificial barriers without any tech reason |
| 17:57.00 | bbelt16ag | i love linux rocks and windowz droolsss |
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| 17:57.12 | wols_ | *linux is not big on |
| 17:57.44 | YodaYoda | doudou: When you use /etc/init.d/networking start, it will be created. |
| 17:57.45 | chops | wols_: Yes, it much prefers artificial barriers with a technical or historical reason :-) |
| 17:57.52 | peterS | gpm: logical partitions are a hairy hack invented to get around the limited size of the primary partition table (4 entries) |
| 17:58.02 | peterS | gpm: other than being a hairy hack, they do work just fine |
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| 17:58.04 | wols_ | chops: rarely if ever |
| 17:58.04 | nvz | gpm: an "extended partition" is just a logical construct to get around the legacy partition limits |
| 17:58.16 | gpm | oh |
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| 17:58.30 | gpm | so, unless you have to deal with the shitty windows loader, there's no reason to not use logical? |
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| 17:58.46 | wols_ | gpm: yes |
| 17:58.48 | nvz | gpm: when you create a logical partition, you are actually creating an extended partition that contains logical partitions. |
| 17:58.53 | peterS | the primary partition table is a set of 4 entries. an extended partition, OTOH, is more like a linked list of partition tables, one "logical partition" for each table. it's awful. |
| 17:59.12 | nvz | gpm: so if you want to use logical partitions, you can have no more than 3 primaries besides your extended partition which is also primary |
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| 17:59.16 | karsten | peterS: Any way you slice it? |
| 17:59.21 | peterS | yes |
| 17:59.24 | gpm | haha |
| 17:59.24 | gpm | nice |
| 17:59.25 | gpm | ok |
| 17:59.37 | karsten | peterS: And just what do you have against BSD slices? |
| 18:00.03 | peterS | nothing much, except that they're gratuitously different from ms-dos logical partitions |
| 18:00.20 | nvz | gpm: the first logical partition for this reason is number 5 because 1-4 are primary |
| 18:00.52 | peterS | 'logical' is a misnomer, that layout is anything but |
| 18:00.57 | nvz | this is regaurdless of how many primary partitions you actually have IIRC |
| 18:01.17 | nvz | peterS: heh |
| 18:01.41 | wols_ | peterS: it's a PC thing from way back, what did you expect? |
| 18:02.09 | doudou | YodaYoda, i look into /etc/init.d/networking and i am not able to see what command will be launch |
| 18:02.28 | peterS | wols_: oh I know why it is what it is. though the linked list with _one_ logical drive in each 4-entry partition table still seems excessive |
| 18:02.28 | wols_ | peterS: I mean it's better than A20 gate and other assorted crimes against humantiy :) |
| 18:02.54 | peterS | you dissin' my keyboard controller? |
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| 18:03.12 | wols_ | A20 gate is something else |
| 18:03.25 | peterS | no, it's related to the keyboard controller. it's just _used_ for something else |
| 18:03.41 | wols_ | on 8086 address ffff:ffff mapped back to the first 64k of memory |
| 18:03.51 | wols_ | on 286 and bigger this only worked with trickery |
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| 18:04.27 | os_x_hates_me | anybody installed debian on an intel mac (iMac)? |
| 18:04.43 | wintix | !anyone |
| 18:04.45 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 18:04.45 | lhadji | Do you need some help dpkg ? |
| 18:05.15 | peterS | lhadji: are you a bot? |
| 18:05.30 | YodaYoda | doudou: The comments at the top indicate mountkernfs and ifup are used. |
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| 18:06.08 | peterS | seems so |
| 18:06.38 | wols_ | os_x_hates_me: iirc the only thing you need to do is to use a EFI capable bootloader like elilo |
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| 18:07.46 | os_x_hates_me | wols_ Thank you. Do you know of hardware that is/isn't supported? Bluetooth, DVD-+RW Drive, ... |
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| 18:09.05 | doudou | YodaYoda, ifup seems doing same job as ifconfig |
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| 18:09.31 | azeem | doudou: no, ifup also sets the default route, which ifconfig doesn't AFAIK |
| 18:09.55 | ustunozgur | peterS: seems so, whenever the word help is written, it responds. |
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| 18:11.08 | doudou | azeem, you are right, but if i am not able to create a nic with ifconfig why /etc/init.d/interfaces config will be? |
| 18:11.18 | azeem | eh? |
| 18:11.26 | azeem | what do you mean with "create a nic"? |
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| 18:12.01 | peterS | ustunozgur: yeah. well, it's +q now. |
| 18:12.02 | wols_ | os_x_hates_me: nope. since the imac is a bog standard intel based PC notebook |
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| 18:12.38 | doudou | anyway, it is a pleasure to surf into true bash files from the 60's (you know the ages when they people only one octect and where forced to share it) |
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| 18:12.55 | Zmanu_ | hello |
| 18:12.56 | azeem | doudou: are you ranting? |
| 18:13.05 | azeem | bash has been written in the 80s |
| 18:13.20 | Zmanu_ | must i use by default for my core pointer in xorg.conf for a mouse PS/2 |
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| 18:13.36 | doudou | azeem, most here were not born |
| 18:13.39 | valdyn | Zmanu_: /dev/input/mice should work.. for any mouse |
| 18:13.39 | Zmanu_ | i try /dev/input/mice and /dev/psaux and i have error every time |
| 18:13.49 | valdyn | !psmouse |
| 18:13.55 | valdyn | uh |
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| 18:14.08 | mutantpineapple | fail ;) |
| 18:14.08 | peterS | Zmanu_: depending on your kernel version, you may need to load the 'mousedev' kernel module |
| 18:14.10 | doudou | azeem, is there a distrib without bash? with all controled not by perl but python? |
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| 18:14.18 | azeem | doudou: why do you ask me? |
| 18:14.21 | Zmanu_ | peterS: i have a 2.6.8 |
| 18:14.32 | Zmanu_ | maybe update kernel before config xorg |
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| 18:14.34 | doudou | azeem, you are only five letters |
| 18:14.35 | peterS | Zmanu_: so you probably do need to load that. also the 'psmouse' module, for PS/2 mouse support |
| 18:14.35 | sepski | Zmanu_, use /dev/input/mice. and load the kernel modules mousedev and psmouse |
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| 18:14.44 | valdyn | doudou: there's many distros w/o perl |
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| 18:14.53 | peterS | valdyn: such as? |
| 18:14.55 | azeem | doudou: if you're going to harrass random people with questions in here, you'll be quieted sooner or later |
| 18:15.00 | doudou | valdyn, without bash too? |
| 18:15.00 | valdyn | doudou: just usually that's small distros, im not sure if any big distro can cope w/o |
| 18:15.13 | valdyn | peterS: those 1 disk 'distros' |
| 18:15.14 | Zmanu_ | thanks for help, i try |
| 18:15.16 | azeem | doudou: ask ##linux |
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| 18:15.33 | n3kl_ | Can I allow root access to ssh from one interface but not another without running two daemons? |
| 18:15.41 | valdyn | doudou: debian offers bash as default, it doesnt need bash. You can remove it |
| 18:15.43 | doudou | azeem, you are right i apologize hurting you, but bash is too difficult to catch |
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| 18:15.59 | azeem | doudou: that's fine, but itÄÄ's also off-topic here |
| 18:16.14 | peterS | n3kl_: I can't think of a way to do that |
| 18:16.17 | sheldonh | valdyn: hey. look. debianized :) |
| 18:16.18 | doudou | valdyn, but all the init.d and etc and many things will work without bash? |
| 18:16.29 | Zmanu_ | that's work thanks a lot |
| 18:16.29 | abhi | what are using mates: kde or gnome? |
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| 18:16.35 | azeem | Ubuntu uses dash instead of bash for /bin/sh now |
| 18:16.36 | doudou | azeem, you are right again |
| 18:16.37 | peterS | valdyn: have you tried removing bash? try it |
| 18:16.37 | valdyn | doudou: those scripts are supposed to be posix shell scripts, not bash |
| 18:16.48 | peterS | valdyn: I think you'll find that dpkg complains very loudly if you try |
| 18:16.55 | valdyn | peterS: uh |
| 18:17.20 | os_x_hates_me | wols_ Thanks. I just don't have any experience installing Debian on Macs. I found promising info (http://sowerbutts.com/linux-mac-mini/ andhttp://wiki.onmac.net/index.php/Triple_Boot_via_BootCamp), but thought it worthwile to inquire if anybody knew of obstacles. |
| 18:17.27 | peterS | valdyn: there is a very, very big difference between "bash does not need to be your /bin/sh" and "bash does not need to be on your system" |
| 18:17.34 | valdyn | peterS: yea, funny, as no important package seems to depend on it |
| 18:17.37 | mutantpineapple | peterS: it only asks you for confirmation |
| 18:17.39 | valdyn | peterS: seems so, yep |
| 18:17.44 | doudou | valdyn, i must stop complain, i lack too much knowledge, but even a baby could tell this system is too strange |
| 18:17.58 | xoz_ | os_x_hates_me: just install ppc debian in mac. it is straightforward. |
| 18:18.10 | peterS | valdyn: it is marked as an "essential" package, which means, according to debian policy, packages do not have to explicitly depend on it, they can just assume it will be present |
| 18:18.11 | os_x_hates_me | *g* |
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| 18:18.17 | doudou | thanks all |
| 18:18.19 | os_x_hates_me | not on intel mac, xoz_ |
| 18:18.26 | valdyn | peterS: yea |
| 18:18.31 | valdyn | peterS: i thought that was changed |
| 18:18.36 | xoz_ | os_x_hates_me: oh, you have intel mac? |
| 18:18.45 | os_x_hates_me | yes |
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| 18:18.49 | peterS | there has been talk. but it would take a lot of effort and time, and not everybody agrees that it's important |
| 18:18.52 | xoz_ | os_x_hates_me: do you have parallel? |
| 18:19.11 | abhi | dpkg: could you pls tell me how to add application to my system startup processes? |
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| 18:19.37 | xoz_ | os_x_hates_me: or bootcamp? |
| 18:20.04 | wols_ | abhi: /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/ |
| 18:20.04 | os_x_hates_me | yes, debian does fine with parallels, but it does not deal with hibernation very well, also not all the hardware is accessable from the vm |
| 18:20.15 | os_x_hates_me | I am goint to try bootcamp |
| 18:21.13 | abhi | wols_: could you pls explain? |
| 18:21.20 | xoz_ | os_x_hates_me: your link about triple boot via bootcamp is ok |
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| 18:21.29 | shazam | hello |
| 18:21.38 | shazam | i put my kicker on autohide |
| 18:21.46 | shazam | and now its hidden all the time |
| 18:21.46 | xoz_ | os_x_hates_me: i doubt that your hibernate support will work... just a feeling |
| 18:21.56 | wols_ | abhi: rfead the docs |
| 18:21.59 | wols_ | *read |
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| 18:22.06 | os_x_hates_me | hibernate is not so important to me, since it is a desktop machine |
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| 18:22.27 | n3kl_ | shazam: that will happen =] |
| 18:22.29 | Zap-W | is there a kernel with CONFIG_ROOT_NFS compiled in? |
| 18:22.34 | shazam | i lost my kicker!! |
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| 18:22.45 | Zap-W | is there a kernel with CONFIG_ROOT_NFS compiled in? |
| 18:22.46 | abhi | wols_: all of them. |
| 18:22.50 | os_x_hates_me | however, if os x goes into hibernation, debian running in parallels sometimes won't continue |
| 18:22.54 | azeem | Zap-W: you just said that |
| 18:23.00 | Zap-W | azeem, i did? |
| 18:23.17 | shazam | how do i get it backZ |
| 18:23.17 | azeem | yes |
| 18:23.35 | n3kl_ | shazam: vi ~/.kde/share/config/kickerrc |
| 18:24.00 | wols_ | !tell abhi about runlevel |
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| 18:25.12 | Zap-W | is there a better alternative for diskless systems to boot images from servers |
| 18:25.22 | shazam | n3kl_, what thenZ |
| 18:25.36 | n3kl_ | shazam: read |
| 18:25.42 | xoz_ | Zap-W: have you tried pxe? |
| 18:25.46 | n3kl_ | shazam: or rm ~/.kde/share/config/kickerrc |
| 18:25.51 | Zap-W | xoz, yes , pxe with NFS |
| 18:26.00 | xoz_ | Zap-W: and? |
| 18:26.01 | sepski | Zap-W, ltsp |
| 18:26.08 | shazam | thx |
| 18:26.20 | n3kl_ | shazam: np |
| 18:26.35 | sepski | Zap-W, and you dont need to compile it in the kernel. just have it in the initrd |
| 18:26.45 | n3kl_ | Zap-W: since you are looking for an alternative, I take it its not too nice? |
| 18:27.27 | sepski | Zap-W, ofcourse ltsp uses pxe+nfs too. but it makes the creation of the chroot easy. and provide scripts to help you with pxe config, dhcp config etc etc |
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| 18:30.12 | Zap-W | sepski, you sur ei dont need what it's called "Root file system on NFS (CONFIG_ROOT_NFS). " support compiled in the kernel? |
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| 18:31.04 | gejr | How do I get make-kpkg? It says no such command. Do you know which package I need? |
| 18:31.21 | chops | gejr: kernel-package |
| 18:33.09 | sepski | Zap-W, not if you have it in the initrd |
| 18:33.13 | gejr | thanks chops |
| 18:33.34 | gejr | while i'm at it, is there a way to get my current kernel source too? other than grabbing it manually from kernel.org ? |
| 18:33.37 | holycow | does anyone know how i msg a freenode irc op? |
| 18:33.45 | sepski | Zap-W, i am netbooting linux clients with the stock debian kernel packages. without recompiling any kernel. |
| 18:33.59 | chops | gejr: If you're running a Debian kernel, you want to install the linux-headers package for your kernel, not the kernel source |
| 18:34.10 | chops | gejr: If you're compiling some new kernel module or something |
| 18:34.21 | chops | gejr: If you're compiling a new kernel, I think linux-source-2.6 is what you want |
| 18:34.47 | Zap-W | can i messege you? |
| 18:34.49 | gejr | i have kernel 2.6.18 yes |
| 18:34.51 | chops | gejr: It's best to keep Debian kernel tools well away from kernel.org kernels -- the two approaches do not play nicely with each other |
| 18:35.01 | azeem | Zap-W: don't /msg people in here, pelase |
| 18:35.04 | gejr | i want to comile a kernel module |
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| 18:35.07 | azeem | please* |
| 18:35.09 | bbelt16ag | well i am moving my stuff from one pc to another.. |
| 18:35.12 | sepski | Zap-W, it's better if you talk in the channel, so others may learn too |
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| 18:35.35 | dkr | holycow: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#helpfromstaff |
| 18:35.35 | chops | gejr: Very well, then, install linux-headers-BLAH, compile against it, and you should be good to go. Are you compiling using m-a, or by hand? |
| 18:35.38 | bbelt16ag | so i can make a logical partiton and install sabayon |
| 18:35.41 | Zap-W | sec |
| 18:35.43 | holycow | dkr, oh! danke |
| 18:35.47 | holycow | i'm a retard |
| 18:35.52 | wols_ | gejr: kernel-package |
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| 18:35.54 | Roey | hi |
| 18:36.00 | wols_ | oops. kinda late |
| 18:36.04 | gejr | chops: Module-assistant would probably be my best friend here. |
| 18:36.10 | gejr | Trying to get a lirc module |
| 18:36.12 | Roey | http://rafb.net/p/J47sju51.html <--- I thought this was fixed, according to bugs.kde.org? (wajig installation problem) |
| 18:36.12 | gejr | running |
| 18:36.13 | gpm | haha |
| 18:36.28 | chops | gejr: m-a should do all the setup and installation, then... which module are you compiling? |
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| 18:36.35 | chops | Oh, lirc |
| 18:36.40 | gejr | i need lirc_mceusb2 |
| 18:36.41 | wols_ | !find lirc |
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| 18:36.47 | Zap-W | sepski, do you use initramfs-tools ? |
| 18:36.57 | chops | gejr: Yeah, just install the Debian module source and follow the instructions to build a module .deb against your current kernel |
| 18:37.10 | gejr | i've run apt-get install lirc-modules-source |
| 18:37.23 | wols_ | gejr: try lirc-modules-source |
| 18:37.26 | gejr | and run dpkg-reconfigure lirc-modules source to pick the ones i need |
| 18:37.37 | gejr | and the next step is problematic for me ;) |
| 18:37.46 | n3kl_ | Is there any way to make a distributed nfs share or something similar? |
| 18:37.51 | chops | gejr: Try the docs in /usr/share/doc/lirc-modules-source, there should be a one-step way to compile and install the module using m-a |
| 18:38.07 | sepski | Zap-W, i think so. i use what's in ltsp defaults |
| 18:38.16 | chops | n3kl_: google "coda", not sure if it's stable for Debian yet |
| 18:38.38 | gejr | module-assistant is really friggin sweet |
| 18:38.46 | chops | gejr: Yes. Yes it is. :-) |
| 18:38.52 | gejr | i just ran m-a and i think it just built and installed the whole thing for me :) |
| 18:38.58 | sheldonh | okay, so i'm starting to worry that i'm the only person with this apt-get update BADSIG problem, since nobody else is whining about it. but it really doesn't look like a local problem |
| 18:38.58 | chops | gejr: It did. |
| 18:39.00 | n3kl_ | chops: neat, thanks |
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| 18:39.26 | gejr | so now..i've modprobed the lirc_mceusb2 |
| 18:39.30 | Zap-W | sepski, what is ltsp , a bunch of scripts for automating things? |
| 18:39.31 | gejr | wonder if my remote will work now |
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| 18:39.58 | Zap-W | sepski, do you have /etc/initramfs-tools/modules ? |
| 18:40.03 | sepski | Zap-W, more or less. yes, the packages with the scripts also have dependencies on the packages you need to netboot things |
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| 18:40.12 | chops | gejr: That's probably a touch optimistic :-). I bet it'll require some futzing with the userland lirc configuration before it'll work properly. That's been my experience with lirc, at least... |
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| 18:40.21 | grendal_prime | hey got a situation where the kernel got uninstalled on an etch system? |
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| 18:40.31 | grendal_prime | whats the quickest way to get a kernel back on the machine? |
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| 18:40.45 | chops | grendal_prime: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686 or whatever |
| 18:40.51 | sepski | Zap-W, ltsp also adds file in /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d to get the initrrd right |
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| 18:41.07 | grendal_prime | there is no kerel on the machine to even boot up to to run aptitude |
| 18:41.17 | gejr | chops: indeed..i tried the volume button. It didn't do my much good |
| 18:41.19 | chops | grendal_prime: Boot from rescue disk, chroot, see above |
| 18:41.42 | grendal_prime | chroot to what? |
| 18:41.50 | gejr | chops: a guide im reading at the mythtv wiki says the volume buttons and the power button should work out of the box :S |
| 18:41.50 | chops | grendal_prime: Remember to mount --bind both /dev and /proc into the target system |
| 18:42.01 | chops | grendal_prime: chroot to the broken system |
| 18:42.11 | chops | gejr: Sorry :-( |
| 18:42.29 | chops | gejr: The one time I played with lirc, it required quite a bit of configuration before it did what I wanted |
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| 18:42.41 | Zap-W | sepski, i need to know how to set everything with this ltsp |
| 18:43.04 | RA3OR | if only girls had a turn on/off button |
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| 18:44.08 | sepski | Zap-W, install the package and read the docs with it ? |
| 18:44.45 | Zap-W | sepski, of ltsp ? |
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| 18:45.25 | dkr | they do, but it is invisible, changes form, and has a counter-intuitive interface (and occasionally pushing it results in explosions) |
| 18:45.26 | mutantpineapple | RA3OR: there are buttons to turn them on, you just have to know where they are |
| 18:45.29 | sepski | Zap-W, yes |
| 18:45.41 | bnjmn | hey, i want to delete part of the beginning of a file, it's a really big file, like 5G and i want to chop off the first 1-2G... how should I best go about doing that |
| 18:45.42 | sepski | in /usr/share/doc/ltsp* |
| 18:45.48 | inFw | mutantpineapple: but not to turn off |
| 18:45.54 | RA3OR | mutantpineapple: the right anser :) |
| 18:46.05 | sepski | bnjmn, i think split |
| 18:46.22 | Zap-W | sepski, ok . the good thing is that it works with stock kernel yes? just dump stock kernel in tftp |
| 18:46.25 | sepski | bnjmn, or use dd + seek |
| 18:46.39 | mutantpineapple | inFw: no buttons needed, i can turn them off with impressive speed |
| 18:46.52 | sepski | Zap-W, ltsp should automaticaly update the kernel in tftp when you install the kernel in the chroot |
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| 18:47.02 | sepski | Zap-W, (if you let it) |
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| 18:47.24 | dpkg | abrotman <n=abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 5h 51m 39s ago, saying: 'stew: but does it actually get updates ?'. |
| 18:47.39 | Zap-W | sepski, ah , so it DOES recompile the kernel |
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| 18:47.56 | sepski | Zap-W, it does not recomile the kernel, but it does generate the initrd |
| 18:47.59 | grendal_prime | ok this binding of the dev proc? |
| 18:48.08 | sepski | Zap-W, just like any other debian kernel you ever used |
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| 18:48.23 | kth`` | Does lenny need security updates? |
| 18:48.28 | bnjmn | with dd, what's the effective difference of skip vs. seek |
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| 18:48.58 | sepski | but instead of updating grub, it copies kernel+initrd into the tftp area. |
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| 18:49.42 | Zap-W | sepski, do i need both ltsp on both client and server? |
| 18:49.52 | Zap-W | sepski, one of the boxes isnt debian |
| 18:50.53 | sepski | Zap-W, ltsp will automatically install the same distro in the chroot as the nfs host server. but you can override i belive. |
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| 18:51.24 | sepski | ofcourse all of the chroot functionality comes from the ltsp-client packages that you install inside the chroot. |
| 18:52.07 | gejr | chops: i'm trying to run irrecord and i get the message that i need more arguments, but i don't know what driver to use or how to find out:/ can you give me a hint? |
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| 18:52.39 | gejr | chops: ah...irrecord <configfile> :) |
| 18:52.43 | chops | gejr: Sorry, I can't :-(. It's been too long since I played with lirc, and I don't have time right now to dig it all up |
| 18:52.53 | gejr | chops: no worries :) |
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| 18:52.58 | chops | gejr: You might also try asking for help from an lirc channel, now that you're down to lirc-specific difficulties :-) |
| 18:53.02 | kth`` | Does lenny need security updates repository? |
| 18:53.11 | DDubya | when I have multiple instances of a proggy running (say exim), when I want to send a HUP to it, how do I know which PID to send the kill command to? |
| 18:53.20 | sn0 | kth`` yes |
| 18:53.29 | sn0 | well they are available, its wise to use them |
| 18:53.35 | azeem | DDubya: you don't? |
| 18:53.41 | sepski | kth``, does not hurt,. but giving testings nature providing security support for it is hard |
| 18:53.41 | DDubya | ?? |
| 18:53.44 | sepski | !testing security |
| 18:53.44 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Etch. |
| 18:53.54 | DDubya | azeem: what do you mean? |
| 18:53.55 | sepski | outdated factoid |
| 18:54.05 | azeem | DDubya: maybe check which port they are bind to with netstat or so |
| 18:54.10 | galilley | äÏÂÒÏÇÏ ×ÒÅÍÅÎÉ ÓÕÔÏË! ÐÏÄÓËÁÖÉÔÅ, ÞÅÍ ÍÏÖÎÏ ÐÒÏÞÉÔÁÔØ pkglist ÞÔÏÂÙ ÉÚ ÎÅÇÏ ÍÏÖÎÏ ÂÙÌÏ ×ÙÔÑÎÕÔØ ÐÏÌÑ ÔÉÐÁ FileName É ÐÒ.. |
| 18:54.12 | Zap-W | sepski, ah , i see what it is , it runs the apps from the server , i dont want that , |
| 18:54.17 | azeem | and send the signal to the appropriate PID |
| 18:54.21 | sepski | Zap-W, not nessecarily |
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| 18:54.41 | RichiH | galilley: please speak english |
| 18:54.41 | Zap-W | sepski, "Applications typically run on the server and accept input and display their output on the thin client display." |
| 18:54.44 | sepski | it's the default, but you can use the ltsp framework to do diskless clients too |
| 18:54.44 | DDubya | azeem: would it just be easier to send it a restart command from init.d? |
| 18:54.53 | sepski | i use it for both |
| 18:54.55 | azeem | DDubya: how would you do "it"? |
| 18:55.09 | azeem | DDubya: oh, you mean restart both? |
| 18:55.24 | DDubya | azeem: im wanting to reinvoke the exim conf file |
| 18:55.26 | dave_ | ciao 4 nao |
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| 18:55.43 | kth`` | sepski, Hmmkay... I thought lenny pretty much gets updates at a good frequency for it not to need security updates? |
| 18:56.07 | azeem | kth``: yes, it doesn't get much dedicated security updates |
| 18:56.08 | kth`` | sepski, Or am I wrong and security updates are something diffirent from package updates? |
| 18:56.38 | DDubya | azeem: when I run htop, I see multiple instances of exim |
| 18:56.47 | sepski | kth``, correct. i would not think you'd get many updates from the testing security. |
| 18:57.02 | sepski | kth``, but if you did get a update from there. i'm pretty sure it would be important |
| 18:57.06 | azeem | DDubya: servers may choose to spwan helper processes |
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| 18:57.22 | doudou | i got this :From: 27.187.192.168: 0 To: 206.207.0.0: 0 ttl 0 * Invalid IP header length: 0 bytes with lpcap, how this packets can arrive? |
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| 18:57.29 | sepski | Zap-W, you just chroot into the chroot. and install whatever packages you need |
| 18:57.32 | sheldonh | sepski: maybe deb http://security.debian.org lenny/updates main contrib non-free ? |
| 18:57.33 | azeem | DDubya: unless you configured exim4 manually to start twice on different ports, just do the obvious, i.e. /etc/init.d/exim4 reload |
| 18:57.41 | DDubya | azeem: spwan or spawn? i dont know what spwan is.. |
| 18:57.49 | azeem | spawn |
| 18:57.51 | DDubya | k |
| 18:58.10 | DDubya | azeem so If i just look at which port exim is binded to, thats the PID to kill |
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| 18:58.55 | azeem | DDubya: did you configure exim4 manually to listen on two different ports? |
| 18:59.04 | kth`` | Although... I'm considering removing the lenny/updates from apt... This is a laptop for personal use, not a server... Doubt I need as much failsafe's as a server or some such.... Or is it a bad idea(tm)? |
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| 18:59.59 | azeem | kth``: as I said, there aren't many updated via lenny/updates anyway |
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| 19:03.08 | tarzeau | stew: admit it, that was you: http://gentoo.istheshit.net/ |
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| 19:06.37 | _vol | hey |
| 19:07.01 | _vol | has the current stable kernel a problem to use more than 1gb ram? |
| 19:08.04 | tarzeau | _vol: what says grep HIGHMEM /boot/config-`uname -r` ? |
| 19:08.05 | chops | _vol: Surely not |
| 19:08.54 | chops | _vol: I would be pretty surprised if the current stable kernel had problems with any amount of RAM <= 4gb; 1gb I'm sure is okay. |
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| 19:09.08 | nikin | hy |
| 19:09.38 | sepski | _vol, i have 16 GB on the stable linux-image-2.6-smp |
| 19:09.49 | _vol | hmm ok |
| 19:09.50 | tarzeau | sepski: 64bit cpu? |
| 19:09.53 | sepski | yes |
| 19:09.56 | _vol | but where could be the problem |
| 19:10.01 | _vol | tarzeau: yes |
| 19:10.10 | sepski | and i use the amd64 port |
| 19:10.17 | tarzeau | sepski: how many cpus? |
| 19:10.25 | nikin | i have a little problem... some of my window managers .. like TWM and BLACKBOX have a wery big panel, and menu lines.. and window title.. and all that stuff |
| 19:10.26 | chops | _vol: Oh, then forget it. 64bit kernels are fine with any amount of RAM you can afford :-) |
| 19:10.31 | tarzeau | sepski: how do you use the 16 gb memory? what applications? |
| 19:10.32 | sepski | tarzeau, 2x xeon dual core |
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| 19:10.36 | nikin | how can i set it to a normal size? |
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| 19:10.46 | sepski | tarzeau, virtual hosts. |
| 19:10.49 | chops | nikin: What's your DPI? |
| 19:10.58 | tarzeau | sepski: that's all? how many of them? |
| 19:11.01 | nikin | chops : where to see that? |
| 19:11.10 | chops | nikin: Hm, xdpyinfo IIRC |
| 19:11.23 | sepski | 5 atm, but hopefully 8 at the end of the week |
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| 19:12.34 | nikin | chops: xdpyinfo dumps a lot of data |
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| 19:13.21 | nikin | chops: any idea what to grep out of it? |
| 19:13.32 | chops | nikin: xpdyinfo | grep -i dpi |
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| 19:14.31 | nikin | chops: nothing is displayed on that |
| 19:14.39 | chops | nikin: Hm |
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| 19:14.49 | chops | nikin: xdpyinfo should definitely indicate your DPI... |
| 19:14.59 | cahoot | nikin: just read the first screenful |
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| 19:16.00 | nikin | 86*84 dots per inch .... |
| 19:16.10 | cahoot | nikin: xdpyinfo | grep-i dos |
| 19:16.10 | chops | nikin: That sounds right |
| 19:16.16 | cahoot | nikin: xdpyinfo | grep-i dots |
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| 19:16.50 | nikin | my fonts are good in size to... just the height of the menu items and panels are huge |
| 19:17.30 | nikin | cahoot: i get 86x84 dots per inch on that |
| 19:18.21 | chops | nikin: Hm, is it possible they're set to a bitmapped font of the wrong size? |
| 19:18.26 | tarzeau | !seen penix |
| 19:18.26 | dpkg | penix <n=wenas@unaffiliated/penix> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 54d 9h 35m 15s ago, saying: 'cafuego_: check it out. ppp161-133.lns4.syd6.internode.on.net. 1.5mbit line. only took me about 5 years :)'. |
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| 19:18.43 | nikin | chops: i dont think.. couse my font sizes are allright |
| 19:19.17 | chops | nikin: Oh, I see what you mean |
| 19:19.20 | Eclipser | hmmh |
| 19:19.38 | chops | nikin: Not sure what to tell you, sorry |
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| 19:20.08 | Eclipser | this is weird... all my network cards give me ~10kBps from ftp.fi.debian.org which is in the same network!... I tried three different cards and it says that it's 100Mbps on the router also |
| 19:20.12 | Eclipser | pft |
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| 19:20.59 | nikin | i ame back |
| 19:21.04 | Eclipser | hdparm says that it's able to read/write from my disks and memory faster than that so that can't be it... |
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| 19:22.37 | Eclipser | I wonder if the kernel does something funny here |
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| 19:24.31 | nikin | back again :D |
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| 19:25.25 | nikin | isnt there any config file wich sets some default options for standard WM s like TWM and BLACKBOX? |
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| 19:25.44 | mick_home | how can i read HFS+ home directories? there is a lock on most of the folders. Does this have to do with journaling or security on the disk? (i think the later) |
| 19:26.00 | Narada | is there a wrapper package that installs all compilation tools like gcc and make like ubuntu has? |
| 19:26.11 | mick_home | i'm trying to access my OSX partition from Debian |
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| 19:28.34 | vin` | Narada: build-essential |
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| 19:32.43 | Narada | vin`: k thanks |
| 19:33.15 | Narada | vin`: does that actually compile those things or use binaries? |
| 19:33.29 | valdyn | !gentoosmite Narada |
| 19:33.41 | tarzeau | valdyn: nothing beats http://moshgirl.istheshit.net/ |
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| 19:34.03 | Narada | oh really; i didn't think that was the debian way but hey ... |
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| 19:34.22 | Narada | the reason i ask is that the package is called "build"-essential |
| 19:34.34 | xand | essentials for building |
| 19:34.39 | xand | not building of essentials |
| 19:34.52 | Narada | another question i have is which package do i install to get the apache portable runtime library and nothing else |
| 19:35.16 | eeyore- | Narada: install apache, copy the lib elsewhere, remove the package? |
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| 19:35.28 | Narada | eeyore-: no that seems ugly :( |
| 19:35.30 | eeyore- | Narada: or, grab the apache .deb file and "ar x" it? |
| 19:35.44 | Narada | Well there is one called libapr0-dev. |
| 19:35.47 | valdyn | Narada: libapr1 depends on apache? |
| 19:35.53 | Eclipser | how to disable acpi on boot? |
| 19:36.04 | eeyore- | not if you "ar" it :-) |
| 19:36.05 | Narada | valdyn: I don't even have libapr1-dev which would be perfect. |
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| 19:36.09 | gpm | Eclipser: update-rc.d -f acpi remove ? |
| 19:36.14 | Cooner750 | I think my system time may be wrong --- how can I check it? |
| 19:36.23 | gpm | look at a clock |
| 19:36.23 | valdyn | !info libapr1 etch |
| 19:36.26 | dpkg | libapr1: (The Apache Portable Runtime Library), section libs, is optional. Version: 1.2.7-8.2 (etch), Packaged size: 106 kB, Installed size: 240 kB |
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| 19:36.38 | valdyn | Narada: on which debian release? |
| 19:36.47 | Narada | valdyn: sarge i think |
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| 19:37.16 | valdyn | Narada: so libapr0-dev, nothing wrong with it? |
| 19:37.24 | valdyn | !info libapr0-dev sarge |
| 19:37.29 | dpkg | libapr0-dev: (development headers for libapr), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 2.0.54-5sarge1 (sarge), Packaged size: 254 kB, Installed size: 1112 kB |
| 19:37.34 | Eclipser | gpm, any non-permanent option in boot? :) |
| 19:37.38 | Eclipser | I want to test stuff |
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| 19:38.08 | Narada | valdyn: http://rafb.net/p/A2IBMG72.html |
| 19:38.36 | valdyn | Narada: at least your /etc/apt/sources.list should be broken |
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| 19:38.45 | eeyore- | Eclipser: boot with "acpi=off" option? |
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| 19:38.56 | Eclipser | eeyore-, thanks I'll try |
| 19:39.13 | eeyore- | Eclipser: /usr/src/<...>/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt |
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| 19:39.34 | Narada | valdyn: http://rafb.net/p/s4memm52.html |
| 19:40.13 | valdyn | Narada: ok, thats easy to fix fortunately, unless you already install etch security updates on your sarge system |
| 19:40.20 | valdyn | Narada: replace the stable with 'sarge' |
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| 19:41.08 | valdyn | Narada: add a line 'deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free' |
| 19:41.33 | AKX^ | Errrh |
| 19:41.48 | AKX^ | I have a couple files that belong to a user that doesn't exist |
| 19:41.54 | AKX^ | 122:114 to be exact |
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| 19:42.09 | AKX^ | If I try to remove these files with rm, I get "operation not permitted", as root |
| 19:42.17 | AKX^ | How can I remove 'em? |
| 19:42.36 | valdyn | AKX^: on which fs are those files, show the output of 'mount' for this |
| 19:42.55 | AKX^ | Well, as it happens, they are in /bin |
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| 19:43.22 | AKX^ | Just tell me what commands to issue, valdyn :) |
| 19:43.24 | gpm | Eclipser: you can add it back with update-rc.d acpi defaults |
| 19:43.25 | gpm | i think |
| 19:43.32 | freetos | what's the best webcam debian supports? |
| 19:43.32 | valdyn | AKX^: 'mount' |
| 19:43.45 | valdyn | gpm: nope |
| 19:43.47 | freetos | a video camera with a capture card? |
| 19:43.50 | AKX^ | valdyn: /dev/hda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) |
| 19:44.14 | gpm | valdyn: i can for other stuff |
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| 19:44.30 | gpm | like gdm for example...is acpi different? |
| 19:44.34 | valdyn | gpm: you can _do_ this, but its wrong, it adds default priority for the service |
| 19:44.46 | gpm | valdyn: oh, that's what's wrong |
| 19:44.52 | valdyn | gpm: some serives will be ok at ( 25? not sure ), some wont |
| 19:44.53 | gpm | valdyn: what priority should acpi be? |
| 19:44.59 | Narada | valdyn: hmm now it gives proper output; what was that change? |
| 19:45.12 | valdyn | gpm: acpid you mean? |
| 19:45.14 | gpm | yes |
| 19:45.17 | gpm | 'scuse me |
| 19:45.30 | eeyore- | freetos: there are two kinds of camera, generally speaking. the ones that dumps data directly via usb, and ones that you need to capture frames via NTSC |
| 19:45.37 | AKX^ | valdyn: Any ideas? |
| 19:46.09 | eeyore- | freetos: your choice would depend on what you want to do. if you want smooth video, try the NTSC one |
| 19:46.09 | gpm | do you know? |
| 19:46.09 | valdyn | Narada: you had no real debian repository in there, only security fixes and backports |
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| 19:46.10 | valdyn | AKX^: right now i cant imagine how that file should have popped up there |
| 19:46.10 | eeyore- | freetos: if you want small form factor, convenient setup, try the usb ones (pwcc?) |
| 19:46.13 | Narada | valdyn: hmm interesting; okay; networks really should have given me etch :( |
| 19:46.20 | SerajewelKS | is there some setting i can change to keep seahorse from being my ssh agent? it keeps crashing. |
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| 19:46.43 | valdyn | AKX^: read the manpage to chattr, im not familiar with this myself |
| 19:46.55 | AKX^ | valdyn: will do, thanks for that |
| 19:47.49 | eeyore- | AKX^: files don't have to belong to users with account. uid and gid are 16-bit integers after all |
| 19:47.56 | valdyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:48.07 | eeyore- | AKX^: you can "chown 12345:6789 /bin/ls" if you wanted |
| 19:48.13 | valdyn | AKX^: you _really_ want to know why itsw there |
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| 19:48.23 | AKX^ | valdyn: I know, I'm suspecting a rootkit |
| 19:48.31 | valdyn | AKX^: reinstall |
| 19:48.36 | AKX^ | If I only could |
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| 19:48.46 | eeyore- | valdyn: but we haven't established there's anything wrong :-) |
| 19:48.55 | valdyn | eeyore-: true |
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| 19:49.03 | valdyn | eeyore-: just that files like this dont pop up randomly |
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| 19:49.20 | freetos | eeyore-, thanks i want the driver in the kernel for whatever one i choose, mainley video confrencing |
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| 19:49.39 | eeyore- | valdyn: corrupted filesystem can do that ... |
| 19:50.10 | AKX^ | valdyn: chattr worked, thank you so much |
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| 19:50.17 | AKX^ | They had "immutable, append-only" on |
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| 19:50.32 | eeyore- | wait that doesn't make sense :-) |
| 19:50.35 | Narada | valdyn: thanks |
| 19:50.37 | eeyore- | you can't append to immutable |
| 19:50.58 | AKX^ | eeyore-, seems whoever did this (oh, how dramatic).. well |
| 19:51.21 | b0rg | hi i have a question |
| 19:51.28 | valdyn | Narada: i've seen a few people with just your sources.list lately, in here, all the same evil hosting service, maybe |
| 19:51.32 | chops | !tell b0rg about ask |
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| 19:53.53 | Narada | valdyn: well it's my company |
| 19:54.02 | freetos | does being a patriot require pleging your alligance to something other that Jesus Christ? |
| 19:54.09 | Narada | valdyn: strangely after all that; there is /usr/bin/apr or apr anywhere else |
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| 19:54.34 | freetos | what year did the pledge start? |
| 19:54.36 | Narada | valdyn: I need to do something like this: ./configure --with-apr=/usr/bin/ --with-java-home=/usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun/ but I cannot find apir. |
| 19:54.40 | valdyn | Narada: strangely? |
| 19:54.40 | Narada | s/apir/apr/ |
| 19:54.43 | b0rg | i`m a debian newbie... I just installed debian etch on a dell inspition with a broadcom 1390 wireless, used ndiswrapper and now I can scan for wireless networks, and thats about it... i can`t connect to any wifi network, my home wifi is using wpa tkip encryption. i want to use network manager to setup my wifi as i did with my previous open suse, but whatever i do knetworkmanager always gives me the same message ... networkmanager is not running |
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| 19:54.57 | valdyn | Narada: libapr0 provides libraries, not runnables |
| 19:55.00 | sheldonh | freetos: in many countries, pledging allegiance to jesus christ is incredibly unpatriotic |
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| 19:55.16 | valdyn | !find bin/apr |
| 19:55.18 | freetos | sheldonh, sorry thought i was in politics |
| 19:55.24 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/apr' (5): (/usr/bin/apropos) in doc/man-db ;; (/usr/bin/apreq2-config) in perl/libapreq2-dev ;; (/usr/sbin/aprsd, /usr/bin/aprspass) in hamradio/aprsd ;; (/usr/sbin/{aprsdigi|aprsmon}) in hamradio/aprsdigi ;; (/usr/bin/{apr-1-config|apr-config}) in libdevel/libapr1-dev. |
| 19:55.32 | yoshio | AKX^: do a "find / -uid 122" to find all files with owner uid 122 |
| 19:55.41 | AKX^ | yoshio, will do |
| 19:56.17 | Narada | valdyn: I see; which package is it in? Hope not apache. |
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| 19:56.38 | valdyn | Narada: why do you think a program named 'apr' ( which doesnt exist ) is needed? |
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| 19:57.10 | Mustang_Matt | What should I backup before trying to move from sarge to etch? Just /etc or more? |
| 19:57.15 | eeyore- | b0rg: install the wpa_supplicant package? |
| 19:57.20 | chops | Mustang_Matt: Everything is best |
| 19:57.27 | b0rg | yep |
| 19:57.32 | Narada | valdyn: Hmm you're right; maybe it isn't. Maybe --with-apr=/usr/bin is actually referring to libraries ... I'm not really sure. |
| 19:57.38 | b0rg | but knetwork manager is the problem |
| 19:57.43 | Narada | valdyn: http://javablog.fi/blog/default/Java/2007/03/05/Using-Tomcat-with-Apache-Portable-Runtime (this is what I'm trying to do) |
| 19:58.01 | yoshio | Cooner750: type "date" and "date -u" (-u gives you UTC time, what used to be called GMT) - are they OK? |
| 19:58.03 | valdyn | Narada: --with-apr=/usr/include/apr ( or something like that ) would make sense to me |
| 19:58.05 | sheldonh | i like that so many debian docs can be installed as packages |
| 19:58.06 | Mustang_Matt | chops: Yah you're probably right. Everything of value anyway. Actually I have a spare drive I suppose I could dd |
| 19:58.35 | Narada | valdyn: /usr/include/apr-0/ is present on my system |
| 19:58.40 | Cooner750 | Ugh, it's in 24HR format |
| 19:58.43 | b0rg | cd lugola |
| 19:58.57 | Cooner750 | Subtract 12... 2:58.. it's an hour off |
| 19:59.20 | Cooner750 | More than that |
| 19:59.23 | Cooner750 | it's way off |
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| 19:59.28 | valdyn | Narada: what are you trying to compile anyway? |
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| 20:00.07 | valdyn | Narada: tomcat is in debian |
| 20:00.11 | Narada | valdyn: Doing ./configure --with-apr=/usr/include/apr-0/ --with-java-home=/opt/java gives checking for APR... configure: error: the --with-apr parameter is incorrect. It must specify an install prefix, a build directory, or an apr-config file. |
| 20:00.26 | Narada | valdyn: I know but I need my own version. |
| 20:00.33 | Narada | valdyn: I am not trying to compile tomcat. |
| 20:00.36 | valdyn | Narada: /usr/bin/apr<tab><tab> |
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| 20:00.56 | Narada | valdyn: apr-1-config apr-config apropos |
| 20:01.18 | valdyn | Narada: so --with-apr=/usr/bin/apr-config |
| 20:01.21 | Narada | valdyn: apr-config apropos (sorry previous was wrong machine) |
| 20:01.32 | Narada | okay let me try |
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| 20:02.01 | CharminTheMoose | can gmplayer play .mkv files out of the box? |
| 20:02.04 | valdyn | !info libapr1 sarge |
| 20:02.32 | Narada | valdyn: yeah that configure passes :) |
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| 20:03.20 | valdyn | Narada: so that howto is broken |
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| 20:03.32 | Narada | valdyn: but then make fails; |
| 20:03.49 | Narada | valdyn: Well the howto has worked for me many times on ubuntu but first time on sarge |
| 20:03.55 | valdyn | Narada: you might really need libapr1 |
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| 20:04.11 | Narada | :( |
| 20:04.21 | b0rg | well.. anyone here, can you help me with my problem?? |
| 20:04.22 | bnjmn | whats the command to just send raw data over a tcp port? |
| 20:04.31 | valdyn | Narada: Tomcat recommends version 1.1.4 |
| 20:04.46 | Narada | valdyn: Oh crap :( |
| 20:04.53 | valdyn | Narada: upgrading to etch isnt to hard. |
| 20:05.02 | valdyn | Narada: at least if this is a virgin system.. |
| 20:05.21 | Narada | valdyn: Is there any way to just get libapr1-dev and then skip the rest? |
| 20:05.30 | valdyn | !simple sid backport |
| 20:05.30 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly. |
| 20:05.39 | sheldonh | has etch dropped apt-setup? (it's refererred to here: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-woody.en.html#s-testing-transition |
| 20:05.42 | tarzeau | !HELP |
| 20:05.46 | valdyn | Narada: you can try this ^^, for etch instead sid |
| 20:05.53 | tarzeau | help really should be http://hlr.istheshit.net/ |
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| 20:06.24 | yoshio | bnjmn: netcat or socat ? |
| 20:06.36 | Narada | valdyn: hmmm k |
| 20:06.42 | valdyn | Narada: that's not improper as dpkg suggests |
| 20:06.55 | yoshio | Cooner750: is /etc/timezone correct for you? |
| 20:06.56 | valdyn | Narada: it just doesnt work nicely for everything. |
| 20:07.34 | Narada | valdyn: Hmm i might ask networks for etch tomorrow |
| 20:07.46 | yoshio | Cooner750: try "ntpdate pool.ntp.org" as root to set the date |
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| 20:08.03 | CharminTheMoose | can gmplayer play .mkv files out of the box? |
| 20:09.07 | b0rg | CharminTheMoose i think so .. :) but not 100% sure.. more like 98% |
| 20:09.13 | Cooner750 | /etc/timezone is correct |
| 20:09.14 | Cooner750 | EST |
| 20:09.36 | Cooner750 | ntupdate: command not found |
| 20:09.38 | chops | bnjmn: nc (the package is netcat) |
| 20:09.42 | Cooner750 | whoops |
| 20:09.45 | Cooner750 | mis-spelled |
| 20:10.04 | _vol | does the kernel of debian etch supports dm-crypt? |
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| 20:10.43 | chops | _vol: I believe so -- etch certainly supports some encrypted block devices, I'm not sure if dm-crypt is the approach that's supported |
| 20:10.59 | yoshio | Cooner750: mine says "US/Pacific", but I guess EST is OK, because I see it in /usr/share/zoneinfo |
| 20:11.12 | Cooner750 | It's US/Eastern, I just say EST |
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| 20:12.07 | Cooner750 | Installed ntpdate |
| 20:12.11 | Cooner750 | Ran the command |
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| 20:12.19 | Cooner750 | it returned the correct date and time. |
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| 20:12.23 | Cooner750 | But, does it set that? |
| 20:12.42 | yoshio | Cooner750: try "date" and "date -u" |
| 20:12.49 | Cooner750 | seemed to work :P |
| 20:12.59 | KiPSeRoN | somone can tell me from where i can get the source code of bash |
| 20:12.59 | KiPSeRoN | ? |
| 20:13.12 | chops | KiPSeRoN: apt-get source bash |
| 20:13.41 | KiPSeRoN | oo ok |
| 20:14.14 | Cooner750 | schmidtsmikey needs to update his quit message :P |
| 20:14.25 | yoshio | Cooner750: just in case, make sure the file /etc/localtime is the same as /usr/share/zoneinfo/US/Eastern, use the "diff" command |
| 20:14.41 | Cooner750 | Seems fine. |
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| 20:14.58 | sheldonh | right now, there's no difference between etch/updates and stable/updates on an sdo line in sources.list, right? |
| 20:15.15 | chops | sheldonh: "etch" is a better thing to say, in general |
| 20:15.35 | chops | sheldonh: "stable" has a nasty habit of changing when people (maybe your successor, for example) don't expect it to |
| 20:15.42 | chops | sheldonh: But yes |
| 20:16.04 | yoshio | Cooner750: I have "UTC=yes" in my /etc/default/rcS, so my hardware time is UTC. I used to have to change my time twice a year when I had it set to localtime |
| 20:16.10 | sheldonh | chops: ta |
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| 20:16.37 | sheldonh | chops: so stable on my laptoy, etch on servers, then :) |
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| 20:17.09 | sheldonh | anyone here done an apt-get update recently, using deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free ? |
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| 20:17.45 | sheldonh | if so, did it complete successfully for you without a signature verification failure? |
| 20:18.14 | DeadBird | when i boot there is a message ---> IPv6 over IPv4 tunneling.... |
| 20:18.22 | shazam | http://rafb.net/p/e0ktbW15.html <---can anyone helpZ |
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| 20:19.00 | claudio` | uhm.. i can't listen sound with iceweasel flash plugin |
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| 20:19.20 | claudio` | how can i solve this problem? |
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| 20:19.33 | dworkin | how do i stop a particular module to load into kernel during bootup? (without erasing/renaming it) |
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| 20:20.02 | yumanda | claudio: are u have a amd64 arch? |
| 20:20.25 | claudio` | no, x86 |
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| 20:23.17 | KiPSeRoN | can somone help me where i add the /dev/tcp in bash |
| 20:23.25 | yoshio | shazam: does "apt-get -f dist-upgrade" do anything different? |
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| 20:25.24 | yoshio | claudio`: did you use the volume control applet to increase the volume? default is set very low. If you load plugins with mozilla, you have to restart mozilla in order to use the plugin |
| 20:25.25 | DeadBird | with what command can i view the stuff that comes up when i boot up |
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| 20:25.33 | claudio` | yoshio: i've already restarted iceweasel after plugin installation. I also set the volume to max with rexima but without results |
| 20:25.48 | claudio` | i can listen audio file without problems but flash movies won't works. |
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| 20:26.04 | stew | shazam: can you paste the output of ' apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy libpth20 ' use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 20:26.04 | Begasus | g'night peeps |
| 20:26.23 | sheldonh | dworkin: take a look at the modprobe.conf manpage. looks like you can configure modprobe to ignore certain modules |
| 20:26.49 | dworkin | sheldonh, thank you |
| 20:28.09 | ktwilight_ | claudio`, try opening iceweasel with aoss |
| 20:28.09 | ktwilight_ | i.e aoss iceweasel |
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| 20:28.39 | yoshio | DeadBird: dmesg |
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| 20:28.40 | claudio` | Kwitschibo: sorry what's aoss? |
| 20:28.40 | claudio` | Are you talking about alsa-oss? |
| 20:28.41 | scud | which filesystem should I use a for a clustered environment where I need two machines to access the same datastore? |
| 20:28.49 | scud | gfs or openafs? |
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| 20:29.35 | claudio` | nothing, the same thing |
| 20:29.47 | infester | I've patched my kernel with the bootsplash patch, but i cannot seem to enter the bootsplash-configuration part, any ideas? |
| 20:30.35 | claudio` | ktwilight_ not Kwitschibo |
| 20:30.36 | claudio` | -.- |
| 20:30.37 | Decepticon | hallo, one day i could not log into my machine via ssh. so i locally logged into hte computer and i saw this message at the login prompt saying: "eth0: Setting full-duplex based on MII #24 link partner capability of 45e1." after login i could not access the internet or ping any machine. so did some trouble shooting and eventually i ran the command dhclient after which ifconfig eth0 showed my natural ip address.... why did this happen and ho |
| 20:30.49 | ktwilight_ | yes alsa-oss |
| 20:30.55 | claudio` | ktwilight_: can you give me a flash movie which you are sure it have audio? |
| 20:31.02 | ktwilight_ | go to youtube |
| 20:31.09 | ktwilight_ | there are lots there |
| 20:31.12 | claudio` | yes |
| 20:31.20 | claudio` | i'm trying with alsa-oss |
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| 20:31.26 | ktwilight_ | and it didn't work? |
| 20:31.41 | claudio` | no, it's mute |
| 20:31.46 | ktwilight_ | ? |
| 20:31.55 | ktwilight_ | can you play audio from xmss/amarok/etC? |
| 20:31.55 | DeadBird | thanx yoshio |
| 20:32.20 | claudio` | ktwilight_: i always use mplayer without problems |
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| 20:32.40 | HostilePenguin | this editor is telling me to ^QN to wq i use vi it came with out vi what does ^QN mean? |
| 20:32.43 | ktwilight_ | claudio`, did you restart iceweasel? |
| 20:32.55 | claudio` | ktwilight_: a lot of things but not before to run it with aoss |
| 20:33.01 | claudio` | let me try again |
| 20:33.01 | xand | HostilePenguin: ctrl-qn |
| 20:33.04 | xand | I should think |
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| 20:33.43 | claudio` | ok, i've restarted iceweasel and still doesn't work |
| 20:33.52 | ktwilight_ | what did you type to open iceweasel? |
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| 20:34.03 | claudio` | i get this messages from aoss iceweasel: ALSA lib conf.c:3500:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_concat returned er |
| 20:34.06 | claudio` | ror: No such device |
| 20:34.09 | claudio` | ktwilight_: i just type aoss iceweasel ;) |
| 20:34.13 | ktwilight_ | scud, depends on your needs, there are alot of distributed filesystem out there |
| 20:34.23 | ktwilight_ | just checking claudio` ;) |
| 20:34.30 | ktwilight_ | what does google tell ya about that error message? |
| 20:34.39 | claudio` | ktwilight_: this is the 1st time i see that error |
| 20:34.44 | claudio` | i haven't google, yet |
| 20:34.45 | claudio` | -.- |
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| 20:35.19 | ktwilight_ | it's my 1st time too ;) |
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| 20:35.22 | yoshio | claudio`: what version of flashdo you have? type "about:plugins" in iceweasal |
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| 20:36.02 | claudio` | yoshio: 9.0 r31 |
| 20:36.58 | HostilePenguin | ty that was crazy |
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| 20:37.25 | tarzeau | damn where's the badgers? |
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| 20:39.02 | cydork | %test |
| 20:39.02 | _ericb | hi all |
| 20:39.03 | badgers | Test Failed. |
| 20:39.09 | chalcedony | can ayone make any suggestions of a program for webadministration, to add users to ftp accoundts etc? |
| 20:39.14 | claudio` | ktwilight_: it's not the same of use aoss? http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=2568720#post2568720 |
| 20:39.57 | sheldonh | chalcedony: i've never used it, but i've seen people using webmin |
| 20:40.14 | azeem | sheldonh: please don't recommend webmin |
| 20:40.15 | azeem | !webmin |
| 20:40.15 | dpkg | webmin is probably a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 20:40.39 | chalcedony | hmmm |
| 20:40.54 | chalcedony | that sounds like something to stay away from |
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| 20:41.04 | chalcedony | azeem: got a better idea? |
| 20:41.06 | sepski | chalcedony, learn to do it the real way |
| 20:41.06 | ktwilight_ | claudio`, it's the same AFAIK |
| 20:41.15 | ktwilight_ | am using etch here, and it works fine. |
| 20:41.28 | _ericb | is there any work done right now to setup a x86-x64 distribution ? From what I read the current x64 port is a "pure" x64 distro and you need to setup a chroot to run openoffice and stuffs... is there work being done to have a more hybrid distro with better 32 bits support ? |
| 20:41.34 | claudio` | i'm on etch too... uff :\ |
| 20:41.42 | Vasistha | is there any way I can get aptitude autoclean to warn me before it removes packages? An interactive mode? |
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| 20:41.57 | chalcedony | sepski: how is that? |
| 20:42.33 | azeem | chalcedony: maybe gosa, dunno whether it's in Debian yet though |
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| 20:43.21 | sepski | chalcedony, youll understand more about what's going on, if you do your administration in a shell. |
| 20:43.42 | x_link | I once asked if KDE 3.5.6 will be in Sid, it is now. But will it ever be in Testing? |
| 20:43.44 | yoshio | Vasistha: there must be an option you can set in /etc/apt/apt.conf - see /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/apt.conf |
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| 20:44.11 | Vasistha | x_link: yes, once it's been in sid for 10 days without any showstopper bugs |
| 20:44.24 | Decepticon | hallo, one day i could not log into my machine via ssh. so i locally logged into hte computer and i saw this message at the login prompt saying: "eth0: Setting full-duplex based on MII #24 link partner capability of 45e1." after login i could not access the internet or ping any machine. so did some trouble shooting and eventually i ran the command dhclient after which ifconfig eth0 showed my natural ip address.... why did this happen and ho |
| 20:44.32 | x_link | Vasistha: Okej, but hasn't KDE 3.5.6 been in Sid fr 10 days already? |
| 20:44.43 | Vasistha | x_link: note the second clause of my statement |
| 20:44.48 | chalcedony | sepski: ty for making that suggestion |
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| 20:44.58 | sepski | x_link, http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=kdebase |
| 20:45.19 | x_link | Vasistha: Ohh sorry mate |
| 20:45.22 | x_link | sepski: Thanks man |
| 20:45.25 | Decepticon | is dhclient supposed to load up everytime i start my computer, is that what happened wrong? |
| 20:45.44 | Vasistha | yoshio: thanks, will check it out |
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| 20:46.09 | x_link | sepski: hehe didn't understand much of that. But thanks |
| 20:46.12 | yoshio | Vasistha: oops, look at /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz |
| 20:46.18 | x_link | sepski: I'm the worst newbie you can meet. |
| 20:46.25 | Vasistha | heh, alright :) |
| 20:46.35 | sepski | x_link, it lists the requirement needed before kdebase can enter testing |
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| 20:48.09 | Vasistha | yoshio: hey, DSelect { Clean "prompt"; } that looks like a nice one! |
| 20:48.14 | chalcedony | azeem: we are going to try gosa ty for your very helpful suggestion |
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| 20:49.42 | farmermt | Vasistha: Yo |
| 20:49.54 | comex | I'm having trouble with opacity in firefox, in which setting it is ridiculously slow on non-images. Same versions of firefox under windows and mac (and friends' linuxes) work fine. |
| 20:50.02 | Vasistha | farmermt: mfrisch's buddy? |
| 20:50.26 | farmermt | Vasistha: mfrisch...but yes this is his nick |
| 20:50.28 | sheldonh | x_link: i think the worst kind of newbie is the one who thinks he _does_ understand everything and won't hear otherwise :) |
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| 20:50.39 | farmermt | Vasistha: you use dsl? |
| 20:50.51 | Vasistha | farmermt: no, cable, thank goodness |
| 20:51.34 | farmermt | Vasistha: it keeps dropping the connection and I think it may not be getting leases |
| 20:51.50 | Vasistha | "ugh" -- hell for irc |
| 20:51.56 | chalcedony | sheldonh: it's good to ask questions and have them answered |
| 20:52.29 | farmermt | Vasistha: I need to ask abrotman ;-) he just switched to dsl I think. |
| 20:52.37 | sheldonh | chalcedony: i wasn't describing you :) |
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| 20:54.16 | Vasistha | farmermt: I had some problems, perhaps because the phone line that was connected to the dsl modem was just too long -- I think when the phone rang, the inductance (or something) was just too much on that long wire, and it disconnected me |
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| 20:54.46 | farmermt | Vasistha: I think filters on the lines also help but they got those too |
| 20:54.51 | Vasistha | farmermt: good filters on all the phones, and short phone cords, wherever possible, will probably help |
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| 20:55.49 | farmermt | Vasistha: The worst hard times by timothy eagin is the book you want to read..by the way |
| 20:55.51 | pingouin | what is the directory selinux ? |
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| 20:55.58 | gejr | I get failed whenever i try to unrar a rar file...what could be wrong? |
| 20:56.00 | pingouin | i dont remember created it |
| 20:56.13 | gejr | i do "sudo unrar x file.rar" |
| 20:56.36 | sheldonh | bleh |
| 20:56.47 | Vasistha | farmermt: oh? [checks amazon] |
| 20:57.22 | Assargadon | I try install "php5" packet, and apt want to delete my kernel for this. Wtf? And how can I install php5 ? |
| 20:58.01 | farmermt | Vasistha: is it there? |
| 20:58.20 | Vasistha | farmermt: yes, amazon has it -- now to check the public library ;) |
| 20:58.37 | farmermt | Vasistha: that is were he found it (my friend) |
| 20:58.55 | Vasistha | Assargadon: what version of debian are you using? cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 20:59.27 | Assargadon | Vasistha: 3.1 |
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| 21:00.15 | Vasistha | Assargadon: does your /etc/apt/sources.list say "stable" rather than "sarge" by any chance? If "stable" then it's possible that you've half-upgraded your system to etch without realizing it, in which case you need to finish by doing a proper dist-upgrade |
| 21:00.49 | farmermt | Vasistha: catch you on the flip side ;-) |
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| 21:02.03 | dsd_ | does debian have a historical archive of some kind? i'm looking for the source of the old miscutils package.. nowadays replaced by util-linux |
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| 21:02.28 | Vasistha | !snapshot |
| 21:02.28 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian snapshot is http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
| 21:02.34 | Vasistha | dsd_: ^^^ |
| 21:02.38 | Assargadon | Vasistha: "PHP 5.2.0-8+etch3 installed"..."etch" is modern Denian distrib? |
| 21:02.40 | xand | dsd_: yes |
| 21:02.46 | StevenHarperUK | Hi I have my first python project : its a GUI and has icons and stuff, I have no knowledge of how to get this firstly into src.gz source package then finally into a .deb package : I have a SVN repository : can anyone help? |
| 21:02.51 | xand | http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/dists/ has all the old ones |
| 21:03.02 | Vasistha | Assargadon: yes, etch is the new stable. You should /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 21:03.25 | infester | does anybody know if the 2.6.18 kernel has issues with bootsplash? i cannot seem to enter the bootsplash section :S |
| 21:03.28 | dsd_ | xand: thanks.. any pointers as to which part of the directory tree i should look under? |
| 21:03.37 | xand | dsd_: hmm maybe it doesn't have it all |
| 21:04.07 | xand | try Vasistha's url |
| 21:04.20 | Assargadon | Vasistha: "dist-upgrade" is "distributive upgrade" ? |
| 21:04.37 | Vasistha | Assargadon: it means, upgrade your distribution |
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| 21:05.30 | Vasistha | Assargadon: the difference is, dist-upgrade is more aggressive about temporarily breaking things during the dependency resolution process, which is necessary in order to make the major changes needed during a distro upgrade |
| 21:05.30 | yoshio | StevenHarperUK: http://www.debian.org/devel/ - see the developer's guide, new maintainer's guide, policy and python policy |
| 21:05.58 | StevenHarperUK | ta |
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| 21:07.12 | Assargadon | And one newbie question: I need pgsql.so installed, but it not a package. How can I determine package with pgsql.so? Google? |
| 21:07.58 | yoshio | Assargadon: if you had apt-file installed, you can type "apt-file find pgsql.so" |
| 21:08.00 | azeem | Assargadon: apt-file, or the search box at the bottom of packages.debian.org |
| 21:08.15 | dsd_ | xand: that archive doesnt seem to go far back enough.. it only contains the 'blank' miscutils stub package from 2004 |
| 21:08.28 | dsd_ | xand: im hoping to track the origin of setterm.c which is probably back 1999 or so |
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| 21:08.47 | azeem | dsd_: did you read the ChangeLog? |
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| 21:08.56 | dsd_ | azeem: the ChangeLog for what? |
| 21:09.00 | azeem | coreutils? |
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| 21:09.29 | dsd_ | azeem: nowadays its in util-linux, and the changelog isn't very informative |
| 21:09.43 | Andy_CARP | hi all, I need to send tcp or udp packet to a networked plc, those must have a special format or payload, are there a standard tool that do that work? |
| 21:09.48 | azeem | why do you think it used to be in miscutils then? |
| 21:10.01 | Assargadon | yoshio:, azeem: thanks, I perform "apt-cache search pgsql" and find what I search for |
| 21:10.02 | dsd_ | azeem: some old mailing list posts seem to suggest that |
| 21:10.19 | dsd_ | azeem: i may be wrong, but i wont know unless i can find a miscutils tarball :) |
| 21:10.25 | azeem | dsd_: hrm, right |
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| 21:10.36 | azeem | coreutils doesn't include miscutils |
| 21:10.56 | azeem | dsd_: well, if it's a Linux tool, there probably won't be a useful ChangeLog |
| 21:10.57 | scruffy | is it possible to turn down the quality for pages printed through cups? |
| 21:11.22 | yoshio | assargadon: postgresql-7.4: /usr/lib/postgresql/7.4/lib/plpgsql.so postgresql-8.1: usr/lib/postgresql/8.1/lib/plpgsql.so |
| 21:11.46 | xand | scruffy: I believe you can adjust settings like that yes, |
| 21:11.48 | dsd_ | azeem: i guess i'll email the author, who holds 1996 copyright on the file, heh |
| 21:12.07 | dsd_ | oh wait, 1990 |
| 21:12.09 | xand | scruffy: "Set printer options" |
| 21:12.17 | Assargadon | yoshio: thanks, I already install one, and it's work. Rare thing, heh (when something work, I mean) |
| 21:12.28 | azeem | dsd_: there's archive.debian.org, btw |
| 21:12.29 | amerej | on my old laptop when i boot debian it displays the screen on half the monitor, in the middle (console and x), any ideas? |
| 21:12.39 | donaldo | how reliable is NTFS in Etch? |
| 21:12.45 | AKX^ | yoshio, eeyore-, valdyn: It was indeed a rootkit |
| 21:12.46 | tarzeau | donaldo: read? write? both? |
| 21:12.50 | xand | donaldo: you don't want to write to it |
| 21:12.54 | donaldo | tarzeau: both |
| 21:12.55 | xand | donaldo: but reading should be ok |
| 21:13.01 | donaldo | xand: thanks xand |
| 21:13.03 | xand | !ntfs |
| 21:13.04 | dpkg | ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. Start reading at http://www.linux-ntfs.org/. For the kernel driver, you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html or ask me about <ntfsro>, <ntfsrw>, <ntfs-3g> or <captiventfs> ... the latter is obsoletish. |
| 21:13.08 | peyote | why not writing with ntfs? |
| 21:13.13 | xand | !ntfsrw |
| 21:13.14 | dpkg | from memory, ntfsrw is for beta-quality write support on i386, amd64 and possibly others, see <ntfs-3g>. For stable read-only support, ask me about <read-ntfs> |
| 21:13.14 | amerej | donaldo: it has to do with the driver you use not etch itseld |
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| 21:13.19 | yoshio | Andy_CARP: apt-cache show scapy |
| 21:13.40 | donaldo | amerej: i know but i assumed there was only one NTFS module shipped with Etch |
| 21:13.48 | peyote | writing with ntfs-3g should be safe... |
| 21:14.24 | eeyore- | AKX^: how did you manage to get that? :-) |
| 21:14.39 | amerej | yeah i think ntfs-3g do decent job |
| 21:14.49 | Andy_CARP | yoshio: thanks |
| 21:14.50 | amerej | i used it myself to write with no troubles |
| 21:14.54 | AKX^ | eeyore-, that's what I'm wondering. Via some hole in qmail, I suppose, since all other software was updated via apt |
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| 21:15.42 | scruffy | xand: just resolution and output mode (e.g. grayscale). |
| 21:16.20 | xand | what other kinds of "quality" would you adjust? |
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| 21:17.19 | dsd_ | thanks for the help |
| 21:17.22 | eeyore- | AKX^: i take it you don't run fingerprinting software? |
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| 21:17.29 | scruffy | xand: how much ink it uses... at this rate, I'll be out of ink in about an hours worth of printing |
| 21:17.38 | AKX^ | eeyore-, no.. But will start running, from this day forth. |
| 21:17.40 | eeyore- | AKX^: do you have the "usual suspects" like wu-ftpd, telnet, rsh? |
| 21:17.44 | AKX^ | No, no, no |
| 21:17.45 | xand | scruffy: dunno then |
| 21:17.55 | xand | scruffy: I get a "toner saving" option |
| 21:18.01 | eeyore- | AKX^: if you suspect qmail, try postfix ;-) |
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| 21:18.12 | scruffy | xand: probably my HP cups driver then. :( |
| 21:18.21 | eeyore- | i run postfix, proftpd, apache + php, mysql, and haven't been broken into in nine years running |
| 21:18.27 | enderxim | is there a link to d/l sid? or do you just install testing or stable and upgrade? |
| 21:18.36 | AKX^ | eeyore-, yeah.. Thanks =) |
| 21:18.37 | xand | and for my inkjet there's loads of printout mode options |
| 21:18.39 | eeyore- | either that or they were crafty, really crafty, and didn't make a big stink enough for me to see :-) |
| 21:18.42 | xand | scruffy: what printer? |
| 21:18.54 | tarzeau | enderxim: telnet linuks.mine.nu is sid sources.list |
| 21:19.05 | tarzeau | enderxim: you download it w/ apt or not at all |
| 21:19.08 | enderxim | tarzeau: thank you |
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| 21:19.13 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 21:19.13 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 21:19.27 | eeyore- | of course there's hardly any port opened besides ssh / 80 / 443 / 25 <- but that's chroot postfix and 21 <- chrooted proftpd |
| 21:19.38 | scruffy | xand: HP OfficeJet v40 |
| 21:19.42 | Assargadon | What is default postgresql account's password ? |
| 21:19.50 | xand | scruffy: do you have the "proper" driver? |
| 21:19.56 | xand | or a generic |
| 21:19.59 | xand | +one |
| 21:20.17 | Assargadon | I have some of links by google, but nothig usefull - just same question :) |
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| 21:20.38 | AKX^ | Also, eeyore- : They had been craftier than I thought. They had replaced md5sum. :P |
| 21:20.46 | scruffy | xand: I'm using hpijs |
| 21:21.11 | enderxim | How far behind unstable is testing? I read that it was only a couple of weeks. Is that accurate? |
| 21:21.15 | xand | scruffy: umm is that one specific to the printer or what? |
| 21:21.25 | tarzeau | enderxim: 10 days, sometimes months |
| 21:21.31 | Assargadon | I tried empty password, "postgres" and "password"...and everyone fail |
| 21:21.33 | tarzeau | enderxim: sometimes just 5 or 2 days, or less (seldom) |
| 21:21.42 | tarzeau | enderxim: depends on the dependencies and upload speed |
| 21:21.49 | enderxim | tarzeau: awesome, thanks again. |
| 21:21.55 | tarzeau | enderxim: err not upload speed, update speed |
| 21:22.01 | rahul | enderxim: and depends on bugs in the packages in unstable |
| 21:22.10 | tarzeau | and yes what rahul says |
| 21:22.24 | rahul | badly buggy packages are kept out of testing. that's the point :) |
| 21:22.25 | enderxim | gotcha, that is understandable, but it's typically between a couple days and a week or so? |
| 21:22.29 | rahul | yeah |
| 21:22.34 | tarzeau | rahul: only if someone files the bug |
| 21:22.41 | rahul | tarzeau: well, yeah |
| 21:23.01 | rahul | so if you're using unstable, don't whine here, FILE IT IN THE BTS! |
| 21:23.17 | tarzeau | and don't file wrong bug reports! |
| 21:23.20 | rahul | and then come to Fontana's on Wed for some PORTABLE MOSH PIT ACTION |
| 21:23.33 | xand | O.o |
| 21:23.41 | enderxim | rahul: yeah, i hear that. i won's whine i promise. ;-) |
| 21:23.42 | rahul | heh |
| 21:23.43 | tarzeau | xand: take this http://peniscandy.istheshit.net/ and this http://yoda.istheshit.net/ |
| 21:24.01 | xand | peniscandy? |
| 21:24.03 | scruffy | xand: I looked, and I came across something that might fix my problem. The description for that package has a blurb about installing hplip. Gonna try that here in a second. |
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| 21:25.02 | eeyore- | talking about that p word ... guess the name of the new NAR president ... "Dick Gaylord" ... must have interesting childhood |
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| 21:26.32 | tarzeau | xand: hah a tux: http://poke_me.istheshit.net/ |
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| 21:27.17 | nyty | ati will create open source drivers |
| 21:27.19 | nyty | :-) |
| 21:27.22 | nyty | it`s GREAT! |
| 21:27.29 | tarzeau | nyty: in 5 years? |
| 21:27.44 | tarzeau | nyty: and what license really? having the source doesn't give you any rights, right? |
| 21:28.36 | nyty | no |
| 21:28.40 | nyty | manager of amd |
| 21:28.50 | tarzeau | haha http://srsly.istheshit.net/ |
| 21:28.56 | xand | sales manager :) |
| 21:28.57 | nyty | said today - ati `ll open their drivers |
| 21:29.08 | cwheeler | open source drivers for ati video cards? |
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| 21:29.21 | tarzeau | nyty: they won't work w/ my nvidia card :( |
| 21:29.23 | cwheeler | so nvidia will be next? |
| 21:29.25 | xand | cwheeler: so AMD claim |
| 21:29.30 | tarzeau | cwheeler: hopefully :) |
| 21:29.36 | cwheeler | my feelings exactly tarzeau :( |
| 21:29.44 | shogunx | haha how the mighty fall! |
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| 21:30.00 | cwheeler | is nvidia still ultimatly better than ati? |
| 21:30.02 | nyty | hmm |
| 21:30.07 | nyty | it`s very good for linux |
| 21:30.11 | nyty | and for us |
| 21:30.12 | cwheeler | for hw 3d accelerated graphics? |
| 21:30.17 | tarzeau | cwheeler: ati binary fgrlx drivers are crap |
| 21:30.18 | nyty | yes |
| 21:30.18 | shogunx | isn't matrox better than both of them |
| 21:30.26 | cwheeler | not for 3d |
| 21:30.28 | xand | 3dfx is best! |
| 21:30.32 | tarzeau | cwheeler: they crash linux systems, they have bugs (mouse traces) |
| 21:30.33 | nyty | ati fglrx is shit |
| 21:30.45 | cwheeler | i've heard ati linux drivers suck |
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| 21:30.49 | xand | they do |
| 21:30.50 | tarzeau | cwheeler: that's right |
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| 21:30.59 | cwheeler | therefore I have nvidia |
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| 21:31.06 | cwheeler | who's drivers do not suck |
| 21:31.08 | tarzeau | cwheeler: same here |
| 21:31.09 | xand | though... my radeon works fine for what i want |
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| 21:31.16 | shogunx | cwheeler kernel dri supported... that makes matrox better. |
| 21:31.19 | tarzeau | cwheeler: and at work about 40 more machines w/ nvidia |
| 21:31.23 | rahul | nvidia's drivers don't suck?? |
| 21:31.33 | tarzeau | rahul: they work |
| 21:31.39 | cwheeler | twice the frame rate and better same hardware and app linux vs windoze |
| 21:31.40 | tarzeau | rahul: 'course they suck too, just less |
| 21:31.43 | rahul | tarzeau: not if you care about console |
| 21:31.48 | peyote | the intel drivers are open source... but the hardware sucks ;) (for advanced gaming) |
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| 21:31.51 | AKX | eeyore-: the rootkit in question was a t0rn 8 variant |
| 21:31.53 | cwheeler | I have had no issues with nvidia drivers |
| 21:31.55 | tarzeau | rahul: console don't work? |
| 21:31.57 | rahul | you either get decent console or 3d |
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| 21:32.16 | tarzeau | rahul: i have a nice console and nice 3d... what's the problem? |
| 21:32.19 | cwheeler | except a slight clash with debian packages but that's an operator issue |
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| 21:32.42 | rahul | so everyone here was making an elaborate joke |
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| 21:32.52 | karsten | rahul: What's that, ATI? Or nvidia? |
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| 21:32.57 | esaym | anyone use kate? The text editor |
| 21:33.07 | cwheeler | no XEmacs |
| 21:33.08 | rahul | about the whole nvidiafb thing not working with nvidia X driver |
| 21:33.12 | xand | !anyone |
| 21:33.12 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 21:33.12 | tarzeau | i use kate, not the text editor |
| 21:33.27 | rahul | where do I get a kate to use? |
| 21:33.31 | karsten | rahul: I've got the problem that my ATI card won't do dual-head and console (con is blank), bu it's fine using just the onboard monitor (thinkpad t30). |
| 21:33.33 | rahul | I only have a julia |
| 21:33.37 | tarzeau | rahul: http://kate.istheshit.net/ |
| 21:33.52 | karsten | esaym: vim ftw! |
| 21:33.52 | esaym | rofl |
| 21:33.54 | cwheeler | hahaha |
| 21:33.58 | rahul | karsten: hrm, I do that all the time |
| 21:34.02 | tarzeau | http://vi.istheshit.net too! |
| 21:34.18 | rahul | karsten: at least, DID... don't have space for a second monitor with my laptop open... |
| 21:34.48 | esaym | well I can't figure out why multiple instances of kate are not staying in the same tab in one instance |
| 21:35.06 | esaym | instead they fill up my task bar |
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| 21:35.23 | cwheeler | are nvidia gforce mobile the best 3d chipsets for laptops? |
| 21:35.26 | xand | hmm, etch installed to 512MB CF card... only 112MB free after apt-get cleaning :( |
| 21:35.33 | rahul | that's why real linux users don't use a task bar |
| 21:35.39 | tarzeau | xand: you can safely remove aptitude and dselect |
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| 21:36.06 | cwheeler | can i get rid of the task bar and just have a window pager? |
| 21:36.10 | cwheeler | in metacity? |
| 21:36.13 | tarzeau | xand: this is cool too: localepurge - Automagically remove unnecessary locale data |
| 21:36.16 | maddash | "[fglrx:MCIL_AllocateMemory] *ERROR* MCIL_AllocateMemory system memory failed" <--- *gasp8 |
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| 21:36.25 | rahul | cwheeler: you can in metacity's predecessor :) |
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| 21:36.42 | tarzeau | maddash: at least you're still on irc |
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| 21:37.04 | xand | OMG ferret is breeding |
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| 21:37.06 | vchrizz | eek! dd does on my raid0 just 16,8 kB/s .. does someone know what this causes? |
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| 21:37.12 | maddash | tarzeau: no, that *bug* killed off my ability to suspend to ram |
| 21:37.14 | cwheeler | your ferrets are having sex? |
| 21:37.19 | abelle | hi |
| 21:37.19 | rahul | vchrizz: using IDE? |
| 21:37.21 | cappicrd | Hi |
| 21:37.30 | vchrizz | rahul: yep |
| 21:37.40 | rahul | vchrizz: so you expected something different? |
| 21:37.55 | ferret | o.o |
| 21:37.59 | xand | c.c |
| 21:38.01 | rahul | vchrizz: I bet you're even using slave drives |
| 21:38.03 | rahul | q.q |
| 21:38.15 | maddash | rahul: what does IDE have to do with it? |
| 21:38.18 | vchrizz | rahul: well, i usually got about 80mb/s |
| 21:38.24 | cappicrd | ? |
| 21:38.31 | rahul | maddash: babysitting |
| 21:38.37 | Bartman_0023 | hi to all my question is that i have a bash script and i need to get more cpu to process this script any know how can i do this ? |
| 21:38.55 | tarzeau | Bartman_0023: can we see the script? |
| 21:39.23 | Bartman_0023 | yes its only for let me put |
| 21:39.32 | vchrizz | Bartman_0023: what do you mean by more cpu? more mhz? go and buy a faster one ;) more cpus for testing smp? try qemu ;) |
| 21:39.33 | scruffy | xand: didn't work. the target system will be a windows machine, so I can control the ink setting there. its retarded that barcode scanners don't read barcodes created with heavy ink very well. -_- |
| 21:39.45 | tarzeau | domo SO ROCKS http://surfing_domo.istheshit.net/ |
| 21:39.47 | maddash | rahul: huh? |
| 21:40.03 | rahul | vchrizz: you better not have irq sharing with your ide drives |
| 21:40.12 | rahul | and master/slave is worse than irq sharing |
| 21:40.18 | vchrizz | rahul: how many joints did you have today? seems like there was at least one too much, huh? :D |
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| 21:40.28 | xand | scruffy: laser ftw |
| 21:40.44 | rahul | maddash: the cpu needs to do at least 2x as much work for ide |
| 21:40.51 | Bartman_0023 | vchizz : yes because when a monitoring the script i see on top that only have 9% of CPU usage |
| 21:40.59 | vchrizz | rahul: my setup is hda1 and hdc1 to raid0 .. |
| 21:41.05 | rahul | and the irq issues are just icing on the shitcake |
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| 21:41.23 | maddash | rahul: oh, because of the interrupts? |
| 21:41.24 | EvilDin | hi, how could i make cron srcipt that would restart apache2 every 2 hours ? |
| 21:41.33 | xand | Bartman_0023: maybe it only needs that much, or there are other bottlenecks |
| 21:41.39 | tarzeau | EvilDin: yuck |
| 21:41.58 | xand | man crontab |
| 21:42.11 | vchrizz | rahul: /dev/md0: Timing cached reads: 530 MB in 2.00 seconds = 264.93 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 420 MB in 3.01 seconds = 139.56 MB/sec |
| 21:42.30 | vchrizz | but with dd i get only 16,8kb/s |
| 21:42.42 | Bartman_0023 | [xand] : nop only this script runs in a crontab every our but dont finish at time and need to kill all process to restart agian |
| 21:42.51 | sheldonh | vchrizz: what are you dd'ing from? |
| 21:42.53 | EvilDin | am could please someone tell me how to make "/etc/init.d/apache2 restart" be executed every 2 hours |
| 21:43.02 | tarzeau | EvilDin: man crontab |
| 21:43.06 | EvilDin | :( |
| 21:43.30 | tarzeau | you didn't even try |
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| 21:43.36 | maddash | amphi: bdz released a patch for 2.6.21. i'm curious as to how he fixed the freezing problem I had. check it out. |
| 21:43.42 | tarzeau | this guy at least tried it: http://alcoholresearch.istheshit.net/ |
| 21:43.52 | vchrizz | sheldonh: from md0 (raid0) to md1 (raid1) |
| 21:43.58 | amphi | maddash: I'm on 2.6.18... |
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| 21:44.13 | wintix | tarzeau: heh |
| 21:44.14 | sheldonh | vchrizz: check /proc/mdstats, perhaps one of them is rebuilding? |
| 21:44.23 | sheldonh | vchrizz: /proc/mdstat, even |
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| 21:44.31 | maddash | amphi: oh. heh. caveman. :P. |
| 21:44.38 | amphi | heh |
| 21:44.43 | rahul | vchrizz: erm, do md0 and md1 share disks? |
| 21:44.54 | EvilDin | i try this cron many time, but never didn't work as it should :S |
| 21:45.00 | kombi | c programmes, where does #include <linux/config.h> actually look for config.h? |
| 21:45.02 | vchrizz | sheldonh: nope, checked that already ... also checked top for any processes taking too much sys ressoucres.. nothing |
| 21:45.09 | vchrizz | i even got enough mem free |
| 21:45.33 | sheldonh | EvilDin: use a nopaste service to show us something you've tried, and the error messages you got instead of success |
| 21:45.35 | tarzeau | kombi: /usr/include ? |
| 21:45.39 | chops | kombi: Generally, /usr/include + any paths included in -I is a good bet |
| 21:45.40 | deadcat | EvilDin: 0 */2 * * * /etc/init.d/apache2 restart <-- dont work? |
| 21:45.45 | rahul | free memory is not relevant if you tell your computer not to use it |
| 21:45.50 | EvilDin | i tried 00 * * * * root /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 21:46.17 | sheldonh | EvilDin: in /etc/crontab or root's crontab? |
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| 21:46.22 | kombi | tarzeau: that's what I thought, but linux/config.h is plain there, still make complains about it not being there.. |
| 21:46.34 | tarzeau | kombi: what software? |
| 21:46.37 | EvilDin | in /etc/crontab |
| 21:46.42 | EvilDin | i looked into there |
| 21:46.49 | EvilDin | while apache must be started by root |
| 21:46.50 | tarzeau | EvilDin: ever tried crontab -e ? |
| 21:46.51 | chops | kombi: You have /usr/include/linux/config.h, and gcc #include <linux/config.h" doesn't work? |
| 21:46.56 | kombi | EvilDin: why root? |
| 21:47.18 | kombi | chops: ahm.. yes.. |
| 21:47.27 | deadcat | EvilDin: if your apache dies every 2 hours. you have a problem. |
| 21:49.15 | EvilDin | when i wan't to start apache2 normally i have to be loged as root, so i asume it must be runed cronjovb as root |
| 21:49.16 | EvilDin | it doesn't |
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| 21:49.16 | EvilDin | i just want to make clean restarts of apache |
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| 21:49.16 | kombi | chops: main.c:25:26: error: linux/config.h: file not found |
| 21:49.17 | EvilDin | would this work in crontab: 0 */2 * * * root /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 21:49.17 | chops | kombi: Does cat /usr/include/linux/config.h get you anywhere? |
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| 21:49.17 | frank | apache needs root priviliges on startup to open port 80 (<1024) |
| 21:49.17 | chops | kombi: Perhaps it's a dead symlink |
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| 21:49.17 | kombi | EvilDin: do crontab -e as root and put your line in without the word root |
| 21:49.18 | sheldonh | EvilDin: should do, yes |
| 21:49.18 | kombi | chops: let me see.. |
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| 21:50.04 | EvilDin | i will try this with crontab |
| 21:50.11 | EvilDin | and if work, fine for me :) |
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| 21:50.23 | sheldonh | EvilDin: most likely, you'll have the same problem |
| 21:50.34 | EvilDin | what problem |
| 21:50.54 | sheldonh | EvilDin: if it ain't working out of /etc/crontab, it ain't gonna work out of a user crontab (unless your cron implementation doesn't support a system crontab) |
| 21:51.05 | kombi | chops: cat /usr/include/linux/config.h does show a file, being fairly short though and saying something along the lines of "This file is no longer in use.." |
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| 21:51.30 | chops | kombi: What are you compiling? |
| 21:51.41 | chops | kombi: Can you pastebin your exact gcc line that fails? |
| 21:51.44 | sheldonh | EvilDin: check /var/log/messages for errors, make sure you've arranged delivery of root's email to somewhere and inspect that for errors |
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| 21:52.08 | kombi | chops: a driver, wait, I put it on pastebin.ca |
| 21:52.11 | rvsjoen | it seems like config.h is deprecated |
| 21:52.19 | EvilDin | am can i test that statement for 2 hours interval, that i see if works ok ' |
| 21:52.35 | schasi | Someone using the IBM T40 in here and can say something about battery runtime with linux? |
| 21:52.35 | EvilDin | or i have to wait 2 hours :) |
| 21:52.46 | chops | EvilDin: Add (date >> /tmp/test-apache-restart) to the crontab line |
| 21:52.46 | tarzeau | schasi: like w00t? http://woot.istheshit.net/ |
| 21:52.57 | chops | EvilDin: You can also start running it every two minutes instead, for testing |
| 21:53.01 | schasi | omg |
| 21:53.05 | schasi | spam everywhere |
| 21:53.17 | kombi | chops: http://pastebin.ca/488223 |
| 21:53.51 | EvilDin | ok let see |
| 21:54.34 | chops | kombi: Hm, do you know how to make kernel gcc emit the actual gcc call it's making? |
| 21:54.42 | tarzeau | EvilDin: you miss a person |
| 21:54.47 | chops | kombi: That "CC [M]Â /usr/src/fritz/src/main.o" isn't terribly useful |
| 21:54.55 | tarzeau | EvilDin: ok let us see, or me... |
| 21:54.56 | cat | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:54.58 | chops | kombi: That said, have you installed the appropriate linux-headers package? |
| 21:54.59 | EvilDin | :) |
| 21:55.01 | cat | how do you installed that package? |
| 21:55.14 | EvilDin | sorry my english |
| 21:55.32 | kombi | chops: hand compiled that kernel actually, how do make kernel gcc the call? |
| 21:55.35 | tarzeau | EvilDin: are you http://canadian.istheshit.net/ ? |
| 21:55.38 | sheldonh | tarzeau: i think you're going too far with the whole hanging out on #debian to give n00bs a hard time thing when you start criticising their english |
| 21:55.48 | chops | kombi: I don't know, sorry :-( |
| 21:56.05 | tarzeau | sheldonh: but #debian always were grammal nazis |
| 21:56.28 | tarzeau | sheldonh: it's just to have them learn grammatics, not to annoy them, really |
| 21:56.39 | rvsjoen | what's the version of gcc ? |
| 21:56.41 | sheldonh | tarzeau: nonsense |
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| 21:56.52 | kombi | chops: no problem, I just wonder what to try next |
| 21:56.54 | chops | kombi: If you hand compiled the kernel and installed headers into /usr/src, you're on your own, sorry. You should either install Debian kernels and compile against linux-headers, or hand-compile kernels from your home directory and point the modules to the correct source. |
| 21:57.05 | chops | kombi: Preferably the Debian-kernels way :-) |
| 21:57.19 | tarzeau | sheldonh: you been here how long? |
| 21:57.37 | kombi | chops: I confess.. did it with kpkg though |
| 21:58.37 | sheldonh | tarzeau: 27 minutes |
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| 21:58.38 | streuner | !moo |
| 21:58.38 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 21:58.38 | karsten | rahul: I guess you'll need a bigger lap. |
| 21:58.38 | tarzeau | sheldonh: so how can you know if #debian wasn't grammar nazis? |
| 21:58.38 | drwahl | i am having issues using the net install. is there any known issues right now? i try to select a mirror (i have tried a dozen or so mirrors) and it says it cant find the release file. |
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| 21:58.39 | holycow | hmmm |
| 21:58.39 | rahul | oh no |
| 21:58.39 | sheldonh | tarzeau: what's rubbish is that you're trying to help |
| 21:58.39 | rahul | what did I miss? |
| 21:58.40 | streuner | hehe |
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| 21:58.40 | sheldonh | tarzeau: you're making him look bad to make you look good |
| 21:58.40 | holycow | does anyone know the scp command for downloading a file via ssh from remote system to local? |
| 21:58.43 | chops | kombi: Nothing to confess, it's just a lot harder to debug when you've done stuff by hand. It makes it harder for us to know what's going on and how things _ought_ to look :-/ |
| 21:58.58 | rahul | sheldonh: you're making him look bad to make you look good. |
| 21:59.01 | sheldonh | tarzeau: community supported projects can do without that |
| 21:59.01 | kombi | chops: point taken! |
| 21:59.02 | chops | holycow: scp user@host:remotefile localfile |
| 21:59.03 | stew | holycow: scp user@remotehost:/path/to/remote /path/to/local |
| 21:59.04 | scruffy | xand: it *is* a laser barcode scanner |
| 21:59.12 | holycow | danke! |
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| 21:59.13 | karsten | rahul: xdpyinfo | grep dimensions: dimensions: 2944x1200 pixels (997x406 millimeters) |
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| 21:59.20 | sheldonh | rahul: and round we go :) |
| 21:59.34 | karsten | holycow: man scp |
| 21:59.41 | scruffy | xand: unless you mean laser printer, which you probably do hehe I guess I'm slow today |
| 21:59.47 | karsten | holycow: scp <options> user@remote:file . |
| 22:00.08 | karsten | holycow: Or consider using lftp's fish protocol, or shell mode in mc. |
| 22:00.19 | EvilDin | am it seem to not write anything into the messages, does this mean that works ? |
| 22:00.34 | rahul | karsten: poo |
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| 22:00.43 | sheldonh | EvilDin: check apache's log? |
| 22:00.46 | rahul | karsten: I use synergy with my laptop |
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| 22:00.52 | EvilDin | wich apache log |
| 22:00.54 | Mage_ | hello |
| 22:00.55 | EvilDin | which |
| 22:01.05 | sheldonh | EvilDin: hunt around in /var/log |
| 22:01.14 | Mage_ | which package do I need to install to have the manpage of fcntl ? |
| 22:01.15 | tarzeau | sheldonh: look "ok let see" is just not a sentence |
| 22:01.24 | tarzeau | sheldonh: "ok let see" is just nonsense, get it? |
| 22:01.37 | EvilDin | i have only access.log and error.log |
| 22:01.37 | tarzeau | sheldonh: this #debian channel is english, not garbage |
| 22:01.38 | karsten | rahul: The actual effective res is really 1920x1200 + 1024x768 |
| 22:01.48 | streuner | Mage_: i would guess, the same package which you need for all other man-pages, the package itself? |
| 22:01.50 | EvilDin | in apache log dir |
| 22:02.02 | sheldonh | tarzeau: oh, english. not just a teenage angst outlet? |
| 22:02.18 | sheldonh | EvilDin: be adventurous and check both :) |
| 22:02.26 | Mage_ | streuner: which one .. ? I've installed glibc-doc and freebsd-man and it's not in |
| 22:03.24 | sheldonh | with reference to the debian reference, 6.4.10 Port a package to the stable system. do most folks really use source packages as the preferred method of tracking a few testing packages on a mostly stable box? |
| 22:03.27 | yoshio | Mage_: manpages-dev |
| 22:03.46 | Mage_ | thanks |
| 22:03.50 | tarzeau | sheldonh: yes i do (but not from testing but from sid or sources) |
| 22:04.09 | streuner | Mage_: yeah, that sounds useful, its one of the dev man-pages |
| 22:04.17 | EvilDin | it works |
| 22:04.17 | EvilDin | :D |
| 22:04.20 | sheldonh | tarzeau: phew, isn't that a lot of effort |
| 22:04.25 | tarzeau | sheldonh: people that maintain many debian machines probably do more often than others |
| 22:04.26 | sheldonh | EvilDin: congrats :) |
| 22:04.40 | tarzeau | sheldonh: no, i do about 100-200 such packages for our site (half of them not in debian) |
| 22:04.41 | amerej | on my old laptop when i boot debian it displays the screen on half the monitor, in the middle (console and x), any ideas? |
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| 22:04.51 | EvilDin | thank you for help |
| 22:05.04 | AKX | Is there a way to find out which package installs which binary? |
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| 22:05.22 | streuner | AKX: apt-get -s <package> |
| 22:05.23 | tarzeau | AKX: dpkg -L pkg |
| 22:05.29 | tarzeau | AKX: add | grep bin |
| 22:05.36 | sheldonh | AKX: bookmark this: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-debian-package |
| 22:05.38 | yoshio | amerej: check your bios options - there may be one called "expand", don't remember exactly |
| 22:05.45 | AKX | Wow, that's many an orange line... |
| 22:05.48 | solemnwarning | How can I make apt reinstall the default syslog.conf? |
| 22:05.54 | Gromgull | Has anyone else had problems with pure svg icon sets not showing up in SVG? It wasn't working in oldstable, stable or now in testing... |
| 22:06.01 | Gromgull | ah - showing up in KDE |
| 22:06.02 | Gromgull | i mean |
| 22:06.21 | sheldonh | AKX: step away from the LSD |
| 22:06.33 | streuner | hehe |
| 22:06.40 | tarzeau | AKX: you can send it to me |
| 22:06.59 | AKX | tarzeau, via e-mail or is DCC send ok? |
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| 22:07.06 | tarzeau | AKX: postal mail only |
| 22:07.26 | AKX | Meh. Knowing what will inevitably happen - that is, the package will get somehow lost - I'd be best off with tftping it to you |
| 22:07.54 | tarzeau | AKX: just write "NOT LSD INSIDE" on the envelope |
| 22:08.09 | AKX | Better yet, /* no lsd here */ |
| 22:08.21 | AKX | In green courier new bold on black background. |
| 22:08.32 | tarzeau | AKX: don't forget the blinkin' cursor |
| 22:08.38 | yoshio | solemnwarning: type "mkdir solemn; cd solemn; ar x /var/cache/apt/archives/sysklogd-whatever.deb, you will see two gzip files, unzip them, the default file is in one of them, the data.tar.gz |
| 22:08.46 | AKX | Hard to do on postal mail, tarzeau |
| 22:08.56 | solemnwarning | yoshio: thanks |
| 22:08.58 | streuner | heh |
| 22:09.00 | streuner | no |
| 22:09.28 | streuner | blinkin cursor would be hard :-) |
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| 22:12.27 | EvilDin | am what can i do about appache complain: apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using ... domain... |
| 22:12.43 | tarzeau | EvilDin: fix your /etc/hosts |
| 22:12.44 | sheldonh | tarzeau: the envelope _is_ the LSD :) |
| 22:12.51 | EvilDin | am i don't have this file |
| 22:12.54 | tarzeau | sheldonh: the stamp is? |
| 22:13.05 | sheldonh | EvilDin: i think that's an apache faq |
| 22:13.12 | sheldonh | tarzeau: soft core :) |
| 22:13.36 | tarzeau | sheldonh: give me all your stamps: http://feathers.istheshit.net/ |
| 22:14.07 | sheldonh | tarzeau: http://theshit.istheshit.net/ |
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| 22:15.21 | terr_ | DOes anyone know anything about running linux on the new xbox? |
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| 22:17.46 | streuner | no, if you find someone here who running Debian on xbox you're lucky |
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| 22:18.09 | doudou | bash |
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| 22:18.29 | AKX | Alright, let me rephrase... I have a file, let us say, /bin/xyzzy, and I want to know which package owns it. How? |
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| 22:18.51 | rox | AKX: packages.debian.org |
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| 22:18.53 | Elive_user64 | hi guys. |
| 22:18.59 | sheldonh | AKX: dude! didn't you get that link i sent? |
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| 22:19.09 | Elive_user64 | can someone help me setup a dual display please? |
| 22:19.10 | AKX | sheldonh, I did, but I didn't habeeb it |
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| 22:19.21 | AKX | ... |
| 22:19.28 | AKX | Riiiiight, sheldonh |
| 22:19.30 | terr_ | Does anyone know anything about running liux onthe new xbox? |
| 22:19.39 | wintix | !anyone |
| 22:19.39 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 22:19.54 | cafuego | I know you need to have given MS money to run Debian on a new Xbox. |
| 22:19.55 | rvsjoen | AKX: what about apt-file ? |
| 22:20.01 | mandingo | anyone have any clue why inetd wouldn't be listening to accept connections? config is fine (at least it works on another server with the same openbsd-inetd package) |
| 22:20.08 | tarzeau | AKX: just say gurkan, brugg, switzerland, it'll find its way to me |
| 22:20.09 | cafuego | AKX: dpkg -S /path/to/file |
| 22:20.14 | eSa| | hi, a process retain lock on the status database (synaptic crashed). How to unlock without rebooting? |
| 22:20.24 | cafuego | eSa|: remove the lock file |
| 22:20.35 | sheldonh | mandingo: use netstat -nlp to confirm that it's listening on the expected port |
| 22:20.36 | rox | mandingo: because inetd doesn't do that, it just runs services that listen and wait for connections |
| 22:20.37 | eSa| | easy |
| 22:20.44 | mandingo | sheldonh: it's not :( |
| 22:20.44 | terr_ | cafuego: do you mena just to buy it or for some other reason? |
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| 22:20.56 | cafuego | terr_: just to buy it |
| 22:21.07 | sheldonh | mandingo: then the config can't be correct, or something else is hogging the desired port, i'd think :) |
| 22:21.10 | tarzeau | You found kitten! Way to go, robot! |
| 22:21.13 | terr_ | cafuego: I hear they lose money on the manufacturing. |
| 22:21.15 | tarzeau | haha apt-get install robotfindskitten |
| 22:21.17 | Elive_user64 | Does anyone know how to setup a dual display? |
| 22:21.26 | mandingo | hrmm, something else could be hogging the port |
| 22:21.30 | tarzeau | this game is the shit, if you like nethack, you'll have fund with it 5 seconds |
| 22:21.35 | mandingo | didn't think about that, will dig further. thanks! |
| 22:21.36 | cafuego | terr_: they grow market share |
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| 22:21.41 | terr_ | cafuego: I also hear it has 3 G5 processors. So it should do ok if linux will drive it. |
| 22:21.48 | rox | Elive_user64: you have to edit your xorg.conf file |
| 22:21.59 | sheldonh | tarzeau: i reckon i lost about 8 man months to nethack and 2 man years to angband |
| 22:22.04 | terr_ | cafuego: I'm looking for a small form factor machine. I can buy an xbox for $200 bux. |
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| 22:22.07 | stew | Elive_user64: you are running elive? |
| 22:22.09 | Elive_user64 | is there a samble config file I can use ? |
| 22:22.10 | rox | Elive_user64: if you have an ati card, then fglrx config tool can do it for you |
| 22:22.11 | Elive_user64 | yes, its elive |
| 22:22.12 | tarzeau | sheldonh: did you ascend in nethack? |
| 22:22.19 | Elive_user64 | I have an nvidia PCIE card |
| 22:22.20 | stew | Elive_user64: please ask in #elive or #elive-unstable |
| 22:22.28 | Elive_user64 | I did... |
| 22:22.30 | Elive_user64 | it wasn't helpful ;) |
| 22:22.34 | sheldonh | tarzeau: nope. couldn't get past the fake bottom level |
| 22:22.42 | stew | Elive_user64: then try to find a elive mailing list. sorry we're unable to help you |
| 22:22.43 | rox | Elive_user64: i don't have one, but google should be able to find one for you |
| 22:22.52 | tarzeau | sheldonh: old world? % lookalike < > stairs? |
| 22:23.06 | tarzeau | sheldonh: not bad, but far from the end (like 20 % of the game) |
| 22:23.08 | Elive_user64 | alright... thanks |
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| 22:24.39 | omri | can a bash script be setuid? |
| 22:24.45 | rox | Elive_user64: just google for "dual head xorg.conf" or something similar |
| 22:24.52 | Elive_user64 | alright |
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| 22:25.05 | terr_ | Elive_user64: what's your question? |
| 22:26.03 | sheldonh | omri: i'm pretty sure the answer is no |
| 22:26.19 | omri | well, that's for all scripts, I guess? |
| 22:26.28 | Elive_user64 | I'm looking for an easy way to configure xorg config for dual display |
| 22:26.35 | Elive_user64 | is there a program that will do it? |
| 22:26.47 | sheldonh | omri: dunno. not sure how suidperl works |
| 22:26.49 | terr_ | I run dual heads. I don't know about xorg |
| 22:26.49 | Elive_user64 | or easy tutorial that you know? |
| 22:26.53 | rox | Elive_user64: if you have an ati card then fglrx config will do it for you |
| 22:26.59 | Elive_user64 | its nvidia |
| 22:27.01 | omri | sheldonh, thanks |
| 22:27.16 | rox | Elive_user64: then google for nvidia |
| 22:27.37 | rox | Elive_user64: man, snow some initiative, it's not rocket science |
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| 22:30.04 | Elive_user64 | rox, stfu, I'm trying to save time. Thats smart. |
| 22:30.14 | Elive_user64 | asking for help, is also smart |
| 22:30.32 | wintix | Elive_user64: don't be insulting. and go away. we won't support elive. |
| 22:30.49 | x_link | So when stuff have been in Unstable for 1 days without any problems it goes to Testing? |
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| 22:31.22 | rox | Elive_user64: you are in a debian channel and i was being kind enough to help you anyway, so it's not very kind of you to insult me for it |
| 22:32.17 | cafuego | And in the 5 minutes it took to be here, you cvould have found approximately 10 or so sample Xorg cfg files with Xinerama. |
| 22:32.17 | rox | Elive_user64: we are not paid support, we're just friendly guys who hang around and help each other |
| 22:33.00 | tarzeau | Elive_user64: www.linuks.mine.nu/sftu-noob.jpg |
| 22:33.08 | x_link | Elive_user64: Can you not use nvidia-settings? |
| 22:33.09 | Elive_user64 | well, you told me to google, which I could do anyway. I guess you have to be a rocket scientist to use google too... So thanks for referring me to google, genius. Yes, I did find sample config files, but NO I'm not using xinerama. I think its great you help each other, but you were less than helpful... so I will do it myself. I was looking for software that would configure x for me. Witix, btw, you are a deushe |
| 22:33.14 | x_link | Or maybe I'm thinking of soemthing else. |
| 22:33.19 | rox | Elive_user64: and if you googled for "nvidia dual head xorg.conf", the first hit gives you a sample xorg.conf file |
| 22:33.22 | tarzeau | Elive_user64: www.linuks.mine.nu/stfu-noob.jpg heh |
| 22:33.37 | Elive_user64 | oooh great job tarzeau. |
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| 22:33.44 | pickcoder | heh |
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| 22:34.32 | RvGaTe | morons |
| 22:34.40 | x_link | So when stuff have been in Unstable for 1 days without any problems it goes to Testing? |
| 22:34.42 | Muisje | http://snappoll.com/poll/192691.php (We are trying to determine the Male VS Female ratio, please help us by telling us what gender you are.) |
| 22:34.48 | x_link | err |
| 22:34.50 | pickcoder | that link has a 404 on it |
| 22:34.50 | x_link | I mean 10 days |
| 22:35.11 | tarzeau | pickcoder: i had a typo stfu (not sftu) |
| 22:35.11 | amphi | Muisje: how can I know? |
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| 22:35.22 | pickcoder | oh |
| 22:35.26 | tarzeau | x_link: no |
| 22:35.29 | x_link | tarzeau: Okej. |
| 22:35.48 | tarzeau | x_link: yes 10 days |
| 22:35.57 | x_link | Okej |
| 22:35.59 | tarzeau | x_link: but it can have problems, it depends on the severity of the bug |
| 22:36.06 | x_link | wow |
| 22:36.07 | pickcoder | poll trolling is annoying |
| 22:36.13 | x_link | And does Sid has all new versions of programs? |
| 22:36.16 | tarzeau | x_link: and if it has very bad problems (but no bug report about it) it goes into testing anyways |
| 22:36.19 | mandingo | argh |
| 22:36.19 | x_link | have even |
| 22:36.23 | tarzeau | x_link: most, but sometimes not |
| 22:36.27 | x_link | ok |
| 22:36.34 | streuner | x_linke: /msg dpkg sid faq ; Don't listen to tarzeau |
| 22:36.39 | cafuego | Muisje: Did you research whether defaulting to 'Female' would skew the results? |
| 22:36.45 | x_link | Then Debian Testing has as new versions of programs etc. as all other distros I guess? |
| 22:36.47 | tarzeau | streuner: WTF what was wrong that i said now? |
| 22:37.02 | tarzeau | x_link: don't listen to streuner |
| 22:37.06 | x_link | hehe |
| 22:37.12 | x_link | I don't know how to listen to ;D |
| 22:37.12 | Muisje | cafuego that would only affect 3% on a result group of 1000 |
| 22:37.18 | streuner | its NOT wrong sometimes what you saying, its wrong that you say to random users unstable is fine |
| 22:37.24 | Muisje | so, that is a minority risk |
| 22:37.26 | cafuego | Muisje: Well, you have 12 <heh> |
| 22:37.31 | tarzeau | streuner: WHERE HAVE I SAID UNSTABLE IS FINE? |
| 22:37.34 | mandingo | I cant even telnet localhost, haha, running inetd w/ debugging I get "someone wants telnet accept, ctrl 3 979 execv /usr/sbin/tcpd reaping asked for 979 reaped, status 0" google is *not* being helpful here. any ideas? |
| 22:37.35 | pickcoder | there's lots of census info provided by most gov agencies |
| 22:37.43 | Muisje | cafuego the poll just started like 1 min ago |
| 22:37.43 | tarzeau | streuner: don't put funny sentences into my mouth that i NEVER SAID |
| 22:37.44 | Muisje | :P |
| 22:37.48 | cafuego | tarzeau: Please do not be using of the capitals, thankyou. |
| 22:37.51 | azeem | tarzeau: please chill |
| 22:37.55 | streuner | tarzeau: i can smell it, you're going to in the next sentence ;-) |
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| 22:37.59 | x_link | streuner: I'm using Testing. |
| 22:38.01 | tarzeau | streuner: BULLSHIT |
| 22:38.05 | tarzeau | FUCK OFF K THX |
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| 22:38.16 | x_link | Wow |
| 22:38.17 | sheldonh | streuner: that was easy :) |
| 22:38.18 | cafuego | touchy |
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| 22:38.20 | x_link | He got mad cause of me =/ |
| 22:38.23 | shogunx | that calls for a: |
| 22:38.24 | streuner | hm |
| 22:38.28 | shogunx | !bongswat |
| 22:38.28 | dpkg | bongswat is, like, "Hit the bong, man!" |
| 22:38.42 | daeos | quick question.. how would i , via console, change x to load blackbox and not gnome? |
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| 22:38.47 | amphi | heh, #155873 is indeed horrible |
| 22:38.50 | cafuego | !petasmite rahul |
| 22:38.56 | daeos | xfree86 ++ |
| 22:39.06 | cafuego | dammit |
| 22:39.09 | rahul | heh |
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| 22:39.27 | shogunx | daeos, edit your ~/.xinitrc and make sure it has 755 permissions |
| 22:39.41 | cafuego | And I've even forgotten what I was going to do next! |
| 22:39.59 | vlt|home | Hello. How can I find out what speed a USB port is running on? |
| 22:40.08 | streuner | buh |
| 22:40.16 | daeos | shogunx: thanks, i tried to find it, but got an error saying the folder doesn't exist |
| 22:40.24 | streuner | find out if its USB1 or USB2 |
| 22:40.37 | daeos | shogunx: how can i make sure that , even thought xfree is install, that i am infact using it? and not xorg? |
| 22:40.37 | vlt|home | streuner: ;-) How? |
| 22:40.43 | pickcoder | 1.0 or 1.1? |
| 22:40.43 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 22:40.57 | streuner | usually the module which is running says to you what kind of version it uses... |
| 22:41.11 | sheldonh | shogunx: but... isn't gnome started with /etc/init.d/gdm? as in, his .xinitrc will be ignored, no? |
| 22:41.37 | terr_ | test |
| 22:41.45 | sheldonh | terr_: you fail |
| 22:41.45 | shogunx | daeos, fisrt, if .xinitrc does not exist, create it. second, check /var/log to see which xserver you are loading via the log files. |
| 22:41.58 | shogunx | sheldonh, with a *dm, that is correct. |
| 22:42.08 | daeos | ok |
| 22:42.14 | rox | daeos: X -version |
| 22:42.32 | shogunx | that works too |
| 22:42.37 | vlt|home | streuner: There are 3 modules matching "usb": usblp, usbhid and usbcore running. |
| 22:42.38 | terr_ | sheldonh: I do not follow. Something crazy is going on anyways. |
| 22:42.45 | Coweater | vlt|home: if you cat /proc/bus/usb/devices, each stanza has a spd with the corresponding mbps, there's probably a nicer way of finding this out |
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| 22:43.24 | sheldonh | terr_: life on planet earth :) |
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| 22:44.02 | terr_ | sheldonh: lets start over. What were you saying? |
| 22:44.41 | sheldonh | terr_: nothing. you said "test", and i thought "you fail" would be cuter than "we got your test" |
| 22:45.11 | terr_ | sheldonh: Ohhh. The server was screwed. What I was posting was not showing up. Its working now. |
| 22:45.24 | streuner | vlt|home: nah, that's not the ones which are for performance releavant... |
| 22:45.32 | sheldonh | terr_: you pass :) |
| 22:46.17 | streuner | vlt|home: ehci_hcd and uhci_hcd |
| 22:46.33 | terr_ | sheldonh: thanx |
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| 22:47.11 | streuner | vlt|home: ehci_hcd is 2.0 (USB) |
| 22:47.13 | vlt|home | streuner: uhci_hcd is loaded |
| 22:47.24 | vlt|home | streuner: That seems to be usb 1.x |
| 22:47.58 | streuner | should be ok for printers |
| 22:48.09 | daeos | shogunx: it looks to be im using xorg as xorg's log shows my current kernal version and xFree86 shows when i used to have sarge back in feb |
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| 22:48.38 | streuner | vlt|home: its important for HD's... |
| 22:48.46 | sobersabre | hi. I am having trouble with NFS. |
| 22:49.05 | vlt|home | streuner: It's a scanner connected to the machine, so I need ehci (2.0) ... :/ |
| 22:49.08 | rox | sobersabre: please describe your trouble and maybe somebody cangive you some advice |
| 22:49.19 | sobersabre | can you ask me questions of the setup ... and I maybe discover I've done some error. |
| 22:49.20 | sobersabre | :) |
| 22:49.26 | streuner | vlt|home: hehe :-) |
| 22:49.29 | sobersabre | I have about 40 cliets. |
| 22:49.33 | sobersabre | LAN |
| 22:49.37 | sobersabre | same VLAN. |
| 22:49.39 | wintix | !enter |
| 22:49.39 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. (Remember, the less you annoy us, the more help you're likely to get.) |
| 22:49.49 | sobersabre | wintix, thanks. |
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| 22:50.11 | vlt|home | streuner: Aah, ok, the port seems to be a 1.1 only. `lspci` tells me "0000:00:11.2 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 1e)" .... hmmm |
| 22:50.11 | sobersabre | the DNS functions ok vice-versa. |
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| 22:50.19 | sobersabre | I think time is in sync. |
| 22:50.37 | sobersabre | the thing is that clients and the server hang. |
| 22:50.44 | streuner | vlt|home: well, find out if the controller supports 2.0 |
| 22:50.58 | rox | sobersabre: which server are you runing? |
| 22:50.59 | daeos | shogunx: so how would i reconfigure Xorg to load blackbox instead? |
| 22:51.08 | sheldonh | sobersabre: portmap running on both? firewalls are nfs-aware? |
| 22:51.13 | sobersabre | kernel one... if that's the question. |
| 22:51.22 | streuner | daeos: /msg dpkg xsession |
| 22:51.23 | sobersabre | sheldonh, iptables is not up |
| 22:51.37 | sobersabre | rox, have I answered your question ? |
| 22:51.54 | sobersabre | I have 10 instances of kernel's nfsd's |
| 22:51.58 | rox | sobersabre: on what operation does the hang take place? |
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| 22:52.27 | cafuego | sobersabre: just 10 threads, that should not be a problem |
| 22:52.30 | sobersabre | I cannot tell. It seems on any io. |
| 22:52.35 | rox | sobersabre: is the problem realiably reproducible? |
| 22:52.52 | sobersabre | rox, ... :) I have 40 lagging clients. |
| 22:52.58 | rox | sobersabre: so you can mount but you can not do any io? |
| 22:53.05 | rox | sobersabre: not even a ls? |
| 22:53.05 | sobersabre | It takes ages. |
| 22:53.16 | sobersabre | ls can be fast or lag. |
| 22:53.19 | cafuego | portmapper installed & running? |
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| 22:53.26 | sobersabre | cafuego, indeed, sir. |
| 22:53.37 | vlt|home | streuner: I bought the machine as 2.0 capable ... any chance to get it running on high speed? I mean, is it possible that the controller actually can work in 2.0 speed but the kernel just recognized 1.1? Or didn't the seller "remember" correctly? |
| 22:53.54 | sobersabre | is there a possibility the nfs version 3 is "heavier" ? |
| 22:54.03 | sobersabre | or maybe shall I somehow disable TCP ? |
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| 22:54.36 | streuner | vlt|home: 2.0 is really much more faster than 1.0, if you get low speed your settings are wrong... |
| 22:55.13 | CaT[tm] | I love it when things are much more faster rather then much faster. it r0x0rs. |
| 22:55.24 | sobersabre | if I post nfsstat on server... would that ease the diagnosis ? |
| 22:55.26 | Nielsen | vlt|home: usb2 could be a bios setting you need to enable. |
| 22:55.47 | vlt|home | streuner: Erm, I still don't know if I really *have* a 2.0 controller ... |
| 22:55.51 | streuner | vlt|home: the transfer should be fast, fast in that way that you don't regnonizes the transfer at all (2.0) |
| 22:55.55 | sheldonh | sobersabre: have you used something like vmstat to confirm that this isn't just an io starvation problem (i.e. the disks are just too busy) or iptraf to confirm it's not a network starvation problem? |
| 22:56.13 | streuner | vlt|home: no manual? |
| 22:56.17 | sheldonh | sobersabre: 40 nfs clients can generate a lot of packets and a lot of disk activity :) |
| 22:56.24 | wintix | vlt|home: lspci might tell you. |
| 22:56.53 | vlt|home | wintix: lspci tells me "1.1 USB" |
| 22:56.54 | streuner | <vlt|home> streuner: Aah, ok, the port seems to be a 1.1 only. `lspci` tells me "0000:00:11.2 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 1e)" .... hmmm |
| 22:57.29 | streuner | well, that's a piece of crap then |
| 22:57.51 | sobersabre | sheldonh, this server served these clients before upgrade to etch |
| 22:58.03 | sobersabre | but it had a very old OS (RH9) |
| 22:58.11 | cafuego | My scanners works fine over usb 1.1 - it does move ~ 900K/sec - is that a problem? |
| 22:58.21 | streuner | no |
| 22:58.25 | wintix | cafuego: if you have time, no. |
| 22:58.28 | streuner | its a problem with HD's |
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| 22:58.53 | sheldonh | sobersabre: starting to sound like nfs interoperation trouble. i think your idea of dropping to udp nfsv2 is the way i'd go |
| 22:59.06 | cafuego | wintix: the scanhead takes 12 seconds to do an A4, which is 12Mb ~ 150dpi. |
| 22:59.39 | mandingo | there a debian util for adding entries to /etc/services? |
| 22:59.40 | daeos | streuner: this doesn't make sense... if x is working... without the file required,'~.xinitrc' then why would it be working to beginwith? |
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| 22:59.44 | cafuego | vlt|home: ehci-hcd is loaded, which is a usb 2.0 driver - so maybe you have some 1.1 ports and some 2.0 ports |
| 23:00.45 | streuner | daeos: Debian uses by default GNOME (without using xsession), just create an xsession file and put 'exec blackbox' in that file |
| 23:00.56 | asg | mandingo: your favorite editor |
| 23:01.44 | sobersabre | pasetbin.ca is dead... |
| 23:02.03 | sobersabre | any pastebins ? |
| 23:02.13 | streuner | daeos: read the factoid again (/msg dpkg xsession) |
| 23:02.20 | streuner | !paste |
| 23:02.20 | dpkg | it has been said that paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC or if those are not working, ask me about <pastebin> for other options |
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| 23:03.13 | streuner | daeos: and make sure, that no (x)dm is running (/msg dpkg nodm) |
| 23:03.43 | sobersabre | http://pastebin.ca/488325 |
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| 23:04.44 | streuner | holy bullshit |
| 23:06.29 | Insolit | anyone here got problems running aticonfig ? |
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| 23:06.43 | wintix | Insolit: ask your real question. |
| 23:06.50 | KeepW | hi |
| 23:07.06 | KeepW | when i plug a usb disk, users cant access |
| 23:07.32 | wintix | KeepW: you have to mount it. |
| 23:07.33 | streuner | !tell KeepW about vfatrw |
| 23:07.39 | Insolit | i run aticonfig --initial and get "*** glibc detected *** aticonfig: munmap_chunk():invalid pointer: " |
| 23:08.12 | azeem | Insolit: then report the bug with ATI |
| 23:08.14 | KeepW | wintix: kde try to mount automatically |
| 23:08.15 | sheldonh | anyone know when the bad Release signature for etch is going to be fixed on sdo? |
| 23:08.46 | daeos | streuner: you lost me there, but ok....... >.> |
| 23:09.13 | cwheeler | again? |
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| 23:09.22 | streuner | daeos: you want to run blackbox, don't you? |
| 23:09.43 | sheldonh | sorry, i mean stable, not etch |
| 23:09.57 | sheldonh | argh. both, same difference |
| 23:09.57 | streuner | heh |
| 23:10.07 | daeos | streuner: yes, but that nodm , i don't understand |
| 23:10.10 | streuner | etch _IS_ stable |
| 23:10.18 | amerej | yoshio: thanks m8 that worked there was a bios option video expand |
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| 23:10.33 | amerej | now is there any way to change the console resolution ? |
| 23:10.47 | sheldonh | streuner: yes. it just doesn't have security updates :) |
| 23:10.58 | sheldonh | streuner: so it won't be stable for long :) |
| 23:11.02 | streuner | daeos: kdm and gmd or wdm are display managers, they usually take care what kind of WM or DM the system is running |
| 23:11.21 | streuner | s/gmd/gdm/ |
| 23:11.25 | streuner | !dm |
| 23:11.25 | dpkg | DM means display manager, the app that brings up a graphical login screen and starts your login session. xdm, gdm, kdm, wdm, pdm, and login.app are all examples of display managers. Ask me about nodm if you want to disable the DM. |
| 23:11.43 | cwheeler | !nodm |
| 23:11.43 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
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| 23:12.16 | n3kl | Is there something special I have to do to enable cgi on apache? |
| 23:12.25 | streuner | no |
| 23:13.35 | Justin | cgi doesn't work on just any directory though |
| 23:13.41 | yoshio | amerej: I pass "vga=771" to the kernel on boot |
| 23:14.14 | n3kl | Justin: what do you mean? |
| 23:14.38 | streuner | daeos: gdm usually loads GNOME, kdm usually loads KDE, gdm and kdm are display managers. GNOME and KDE are DM (Desktop Environments) |
| 23:15.32 | streuner | daeos: in order to use a WM (window manager) just use xsession (/msg dpkg xsession) or find out HOW gdm or kdm loads WM's :-) |
| 23:15.50 | daeos | ok |
| 23:16.06 | KeepW | how can i allow users to plug usb pendrives and access them? users cant view their own pendrives |
| 23:16.57 | cwheeler | there is an option to mount and /etc/fstab i believe |
| 23:17.11 | cwheeler | man mount could be of help |
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| 23:17.30 | sheldonh | so the sdo signature for etch/stable is failing, and now there's a kernel upgrade available? install a kernel from an untrusted source? har fugging har har |
| 23:17.41 | n3kl | Is working with CGI on apache 1.3 different than working with CGI on 2.* |
| 23:17.41 | KeepW | cwheeler: its supermount who takes care about pluged usb drives on kde or gnome |
| 23:18.30 | Justin | n3kl: by default only /usr/lib/cgi-bin is setup for cgi |
| 23:18.30 | cwheeler | thanks KeepW |
| 23:18.30 | cwheeler | mine just works |
| 23:18.45 | n3kl | Justin: right, set by script alias. I thought you meant something about permissions |
| 23:19.02 | sheldonh | AHA! |
| 23:19.28 | sheldonh | my @#$%#$% ISP is forcing me through a "transparent" proxy which has a broken Release.gpg |
| 23:19.45 | amphi | sheldonh: heh |
| 23:19.58 | sheldonh | looks like sdo needs to add cache expiry headers to its apache config |
| 23:20.50 | sheldonh | can i download Release.gpg on an offshore host and copy the correct version down to my laptop and tell "apt-get update" not to fetch the one from the server? |
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| 23:21.52 | sheldonh | nm |
| 23:22.06 | sheldonh | wget --no-cache fixes the isp's proxy. i should send the tnucs an invoice |
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| 23:22.53 | daeos | streuner: yeah i wanted to really be able to switch between gnome and blackbox.. because I am mainly using gui over vnc, and i am looking for something to use less resources than gnome |
| 23:23.10 | daeos | so is blackbox doesn't work for me, then i'll be switching back go gdm |
| 23:23.21 | streuner | argh |
| 23:23.35 | purplepenguins | hmm |
| 23:23.53 | purplepenguins | as I should have suspected, epsxe is not in debian |
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| 23:24.39 | n3kl | What is a good language to write cgi scripts in? |
| 23:24.47 | sheldonh | n3kl: camping |
| 23:25.06 | n3kl | sheldonh: caping? |
| 23:25.22 | streuner | n3kl: i would guess PERL :-/ |
| 23:25.25 | sheldonh | n3kl: http://camping.rubyforge.org/files/README.html |
| 23:25.58 | aredhel | purplepenguins, the authors lost the source code, sowe can't even ask them to release it. |
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| 23:27.35 | purplepenguins | there is a binary package though |
| 23:27.36 | purplepenguins | executable should say |
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| 23:34.10 | juergenheld | hello!! is it possible to use ubuntu sources with debian etch stable? |
| 23:34.15 | azeem | juergenheld: no |
| 23:34.22 | Kevin` | juergenheld probably. stupid. |
| 23:34.39 | juergenheld | would like to have java6 |
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| 23:35.57 | azeem | juergenheld: it's available in testing/unstable |
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| 23:36.50 | juergenheld | yup, thanx anyway ;D |
| 23:36.54 | stoned | hey |
| 23:36.56 | stoned | there |
| 23:37.05 | stoned | whats up. Which package contains the Terminal font? |
| 23:37.10 | stoned | I can't seem to find it |
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| 23:37.52 | purplepenguins | lame lame lame |
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| 23:38.06 | purplepenguins | executables suck |
| 23:38.39 | rakyray | does anyone answer xdm questions here? |
| 23:38.48 | sussudio | rakyray: no. |
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| 23:39.33 | stoned | hey |
| 23:39.36 | stoned | fuckin fuck |
| 23:39.41 | stoned | !anyone |
| 23:39.41 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 23:40.00 | stoned | !poop |
| 23:40.03 | sussudio | how come there's about 100 idlers more in here since they pointed irc.debian.org to OFTC and barely 270 over there? did they point it back to freenode or what? |
| 23:40.19 | stoned | sussudio: whoah dude |
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| 23:40.26 | stoned | where you been |
| 23:40.41 | sussudio | i'm never gone. |
| 23:40.42 | stoned | sussudio: actually I've always wondered about that. |
| 23:40.56 | stoned | sussudio: sure you are. you just don't realize that you're gone :) |
| 23:40.59 | stoned | !oftc move |
| 23:40.59 | dpkg | i guess oftc move is irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th 2006 [see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00012.html ] Operators and Bots (see <fact sharing>) will remain on both networks for the foreseeable future; you're welcome to either move to OFTC with i.d.o or stay on Freenode. Questions? Ask in #debian on either network. Want to know why? See http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/04/msg00333.html |
| 23:41.01 | sussudio | all i see on OFTC is some fucktard spanish and brazilians trolling |
| 23:41.11 | streuner | haha |
| 23:41.19 | stoned | streuner: hey man whats up |
| 23:41.28 | stoned | sussudio: i know I hang there too but mostly chat here |
| 23:41.32 | streuner | stoned: fuck, it could be better ;-) |
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| 23:41.53 | stoned | streuner: yeh same here... just make the most of it |
| 23:42.00 | streuner | hehe |
| 23:42.04 | stoned | looking for this package which contains the "Terminal" font |
| 23:42.12 | stoned | xfonts-base? |
| 23:42.21 | stoned | its already installed however I can't seem to find this font |
| 23:42.28 | stoned | maybe it was terminus I can't reme...ohhh |
| 23:42.31 | stoned | the font is called Console |
| 23:42.33 | stoned | duh! |
| 23:42.42 | sussudio | just compare http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/debian.html and http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/debian-oftc.html |
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| 23:43.29 | streuner | uh, where the hell was Guerin the last days |
| 23:43.30 | stoned | heh |
| 23:43.32 | stoned | im #2 on freenode |
| 23:43.42 | sussudio | stoned: that means you're poop |
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| 23:43.48 | streuner | yeah, bad enough |
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| 23:44.31 | stoned | sussudio: not it means i have no life |
| 23:44.32 | stoned | :) |
| 23:44.37 | streuner | hm, bad result for streuner as well, only 42 |
| 23:44.40 | stoned | and who has even less of a life than I |
| 23:44.43 | stoned | abrotman |
| 23:44.46 | stoned | hahaha |
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| 23:44.52 | streuner | hehe |
| 23:45.01 | purplepenguins | fed up with ion already |
| 23:45.06 | purplepenguins | you can't play games iwht it |
| 23:45.11 | stoned | what is ion |
| 23:45.12 | stoned | !ion |
| 23:45.12 | dpkg | ion is probably http://modeemi.cs.tut.fi/~tuomov/ion/, or smaller than a breadbox |
| 23:45.20 | stoned | !xd |
| 23:45.20 | dpkg | xD is a one-eyed, stoned, shit-eating grin, or a really unfunny smily face like :) but worse |
| 23:45.21 | purplepenguins | it's a lightweight WM |
| 23:45.27 | stoned | ohhh |
| 23:45.40 | stoned | i always wondered wtf XD was |
| 23:45.45 | streuner | its a black box, you should need to read the docs in order to see anything :-) |
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| 23:46.31 | streuner | ah, gravity :-) |
| 23:47.31 | dvs | gravity: Does x.org work with the HD 2900 yet? ;-) |
| 23:47.31 | streuner | haha |
| 23:47.31 | purplepenguins | you can't play games with it because it steals the keyboard whenever you go fullscreen |
| 23:47.31 | streuner | dvs: let him alone :-) |
| 23:47.32 | dvs | awwwwwwww |
| 23:47.32 | gravity | :-p |
| 23:47.32 | purplepenguins | WTF, spoke too soon, openbox is doing it too |
| 23:47.33 | streuner | poor gravity, he just come to IRC and have to answer such questions :-) |
| 23:47.41 | purplepenguins | this never happened before |
| 23:47.47 | gravity | I don't know the answer |
| 23:47.54 | streuner | hehe |
| 23:47.56 | gravity | That probably depends on the driver really |
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| 23:49.11 | stoned | gravity: this is kde related I would think but maybe you know whats going on. the Condensed style of DejaVu Serif is only detected by GTK2 apps. KDE/qt only sees 4 styles, bold/italic/regular/oblique. What could be causing this. |
| 23:49.16 | purplepenguins | or rather, for some inexplicable reason it's ignoring xmodmap |
| 23:49.26 | gravity | stoned: No idea |
| 23:49.27 | purplepenguins | it won't say that Esc is escape |
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| 23:49.48 | gravity | Is this "ask gravity random questions" hour? |
| 23:49.56 | stoned | gravity: its been like this for almost half a year now. I filed a bug for ttf-dejavu but they redirected me to QT4 but they haven't a clue |
| 23:50.09 | daeos | i have another issue i've ran into.... when using vnc, and trying to run dosbox, my keyboard is not correct mapped yet when i use the built in mapper option it shows everything is read correctly.... would this be an issue with using vnc? or an issue with dosbox? |
| 23:50.19 | stoned | er.. QT3 |
| 23:50.19 | stoned | doh |
| 23:50.26 | stew | gravity: how many road must a man walk down, before he can call himself a man? |
| 23:50.31 | streuner | gravity: i told you before, as longer as you stay away, such random question fall about you :-) |
| 23:50.34 | cafuego | 42 |
| 23:50.35 | sheldonh | gravity: if i use an orbital sander on my pine floorboards, is it still important to angle it with the grain of the wood? |
| 23:50.42 | stoned | stew hi |
| 23:50.48 | stew | hi |
| 23:50.53 | stoned | whats goin on man |
| 23:51.01 | dvs | gravity: should I take the red pill or the blue one? |
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| 23:51.09 | azeem | stoned: we're all sitting in your brain |
| 23:51.10 | stew | stoned: some couscous is headed to my belly |
| 23:51.23 | stoned | nice |
| 23:51.26 | stoned | azeem: hehe |
| 23:51.30 | azeem | Nielsen: wrong channel |
| 23:51.37 | stoned | azeem: if you guys were in my brian, I'd be very very smart |
| 23:51.39 | stoned | ;) |
| 23:51.45 | dexomsrc | Anyone happen to know how to play Quake 2 with the music on the CD soundtrack working? |
| 23:51.49 | stoned | apparantly I'm a dumb shit so what does that say about ya'll |
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| 23:51.51 | azeem | stoned: brian is your SO? |
| 23:51.51 | stoned | hahaha j/k |
| 23:52.08 | streuner | gravity: its really better, if someone has no questions to you... ;-) |
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| 23:53.09 | streuner | versuchsanstalt: still alive? :-) |
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| 23:53.33 | streuner | argh |
| 23:54.47 | streuner | fucking hardware, something is broken there... |
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