| 00:00.28 | jelly-home | twisted`: does the kernel get it right? |
| 00:00.33 | jelly-home | in dmesg |
| 00:01.34 | twisted` | jelly-home: uh, let me check |
| 00:01.40 | sciron | why does udev need anything from the ns switch (particularly in Debian). I'm merely looking for hints since i'm ignorant of udev |
| 00:02.29 | twisted` | sdb : very big device. try to use READ CAPACITY(16). |
| 00:02.47 | twisted` | jelly-home: hmm, that's a weird message |
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| 00:05.23 | rrk | i have an etch mouse problem --eratic mouse been thru xorg.conf tried xset no luck |
| 00:05.46 | twisted` | jelly-home: have any idea? |
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| 00:07.31 | twisted` | uh, how come I don't see the module name poppin up in my dmesg, lsmod does show it |
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| 00:09.07 | jelly-home | twisted`: which kernel are you using? |
| 00:09.08 | twisted` | I did, during debian installation, make a partiton table on it |
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| 00:09.22 | twisted` | jelly-home: 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 00:10.04 | jelly-home | twisted`: hmm... same one here, and it has enabled support for large block devices (>=2TB) |
| 00:10.21 | rrk | anyone up for a mouse problem ? |
| 00:10.35 | twisted` | jelly-home: maybe because during installation I made a ext3 partition on it something messed it up? |
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| 00:11.28 | twisted` | cause I could also choose "physical volume for RAID" as an partition type instead of ext3 |
| 00:11.29 | jelly-home | twisted`: no, even if there's no partitions, the kernel should still know about device size |
| 00:11.46 | twisted` | jelly-home: k, then the kernel is prolly messed up :( |
| 00:11.50 | jelly-home | twisted`: I'd try a newer kernel version |
| 00:11.56 | CompWizdr | twisted`: does your controller have a 2 TB autocarving function? |
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| 00:12.12 | jelly-home | wtf is an autocarving function :-) |
| 00:12.19 | CompWizdr | oh, and standard ms-dos partition tables can't go over 2 tb, you need GPT for that |
| 00:12.31 | CompWizdr | 3ware for one allows you to split a multiple TB array into 2 TB chunks |
| 00:12.33 | jelly-home | CompWizdr: ah! right |
| 00:13.03 | CompWizdr | when i installed sarge on a 4 tb array, i used a knoppix cd to make a GPT partition and set all that up, luckily that worked |
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| 00:13.12 | jelly-home | twisted`: it might be the partition table type problem, right |
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| 00:13.42 | CompWizdr | i'm not familiar with the operation of the areca's, so i don't know what they do |
| 00:13.53 | jelly-home | CompWizdr: I've tweaked my LUNs to be less than 2TB each. :-) |
| 00:13.57 | twisted` | jelly-home: how could I fix that? cfisk refuses to read it and fdisk wants me to input the cylinder size :s |
| 00:14.05 | eide | why does my man gcc say that "On Ubuntu the default is..." ? |
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| 00:14.21 | [kray] | my machine is showing 1gb ram when it should show 2 |
| 00:14.22 | CompWizdr | jelly-home: i converted the 15 drive raid5 to a 14 drive raid10 last week, so that solved a few problems like that, but i left it at GPT anyways, in case i do an online expansion someday |
| 00:14.28 | jelly-home | twisted`: use a tool that can create a GPT table |
| 00:14.34 | CompWizdr | twisted`: parted can speak GPT |
| 00:14.49 | CompWizdr | and after you do that, don't use cfdisk or fdisk on it, cause they only speak msdos style |
| 00:15.02 | CompWizdr | cfdisk/fdisk will show a 2 TB partition with whatever space is left over |
| 00:15.10 | twisted` | hmm ok |
| 00:15.20 | twisted` | also, not all drives are in the raid yet |
| 00:15.33 | twisted` | now I got 2.5tb, but in a few days some extra hd's will be added |
| 00:15.48 | twisted` | but I can resize the partition right? |
| 00:16.05 | CompWizdr | what filesystem are you using? |
| 00:16.18 | twisted` | probably ext3 |
| 00:16.19 | CompWizdr | ext3 supports resizing as long as it's not your current / |
| 00:16.19 | jelly-home | twisted`: I would recommend against having such large partitions, at least not ext3 |
| 00:16.30 | CompWizdr | XFS has a grow partition command |
| 00:16.39 | twisted` | grow? |
| 00:16.42 | CompWizdr | but if you ever need to fsck it, you need a GB of ram per TB of array.. which can get expensive :) |
| 00:16.53 | jelly-home | twisted`: backup and fsck are going to be painful |
| 00:16.53 | CompWizdr | xfs_growfs or something, i don't remember offhand |
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| 00:17.24 | twisted` | well the machine got 3gb of ram... |
| 00:17.25 | CompWizdr | yeah, i let a fsck on a 4 TB array go for two weeks before i got tired of it and wiped the partition, it was obvious it was never going to finish |
| 00:18.04 | jelly-home | CompWizdr: I've seen a couple of bug reports with fscks on large ext3 going forever |
| 00:18.16 | twisted` | hmm... cause preferably I want the raid to be dynamic, so I can "add" harddrives to it |
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| 00:18.20 | jelly-home | I think some were fixed recently |
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| 00:18.45 | CompWizdr | jelly: yeah, the same partition with ext3 took maybe an hour |
| 00:18.54 | twisted` | now it got 6 harddrives in it and in a few days (when the data from the other hd has been placed off it to the raid) another 2 will be added |
| 00:19.03 | dvs | o_O |
| 00:19.48 | [kray] | do i need to upgrade my kernel or recompile for 2gb ram support? |
| 00:20.27 | jelly-home | twisted`: what kind of data are you going to keep there? a few huge files? a lot of MB-sized files? mail? :-) |
| 00:20.27 | CompWizdr | jelly-home: jay-pegs and em-pegs, of course! |
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| 00:21.30 | CompWizdr | kray: the default kernels have highmem support, i think.. are you using a debian kernel? |
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| 00:21.41 | abrotman | the -486 don't |
| 00:22.03 | abrotman | what's the output of uname -a |
| 00:22.04 | twisted` | jelly-home: mainly music |
| 00:22.04 | abrotman | or -r |
| 00:22.06 | CompWizdr | true.. i wonder how much it'd cost for 2 gb of 30pin or 72pin simms... |
| 00:22.20 | jelly-home | CompWizdr: some of our largish arrays for mail were split, or at least made partitions on them not larger than 200GB. It really reduces the bakcup window |
| 00:22.21 | CompWizdr | a whole pile of 99 cent auctions on ebay, i suppose |
| 00:22.33 | CompWizdr | jelly-home: the software i use won't let me do that, unfortuantely |
| 00:22.35 | dvs | [kray]: you need the 686 kernel |
| 00:22.37 | twisted` | jelly-home: so a _lot_ of files between 6 and 20mb |
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| 00:23.38 | asarch | Have you seen this video?: http://www.railsenvy.com/2007/5/14/ruby-on-rails-commercial |
| 00:23.44 | asarch | Java vs. RoR |
| 00:24.05 | morvok | I can use apt-build world to rebuild they entire installed system and not just the base correct? |
| 00:24.08 | smacnay | Hi, I am trying to use my usb scanner as user and not as root. I am using a new Lenny install with udev. Any help or tips would be greatly appreciated. |
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| 00:24.19 | jelly-home | twisted`: if you can adapt directory hierarchy, I'd suggest doing some sort of split to more partitions. That way if it comes to fsck, you don't have to fsck a huge TB partition, and you can try parallel streams for backups too. |
| 00:24.30 | DRP | http://empleo.mondialplay.com |
| 00:24.31 | DRP | http://mediar.mondialplay.com |
| 00:24.31 | DRP | http://miralabs.mondialplay.com |
| 00:24.33 | DRP | http://poker.mondialplay.com |
| 00:24.41 | jelly-home | !ops DRP spamming |
| 00:24.42 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jelly-home complains about: DRP spamming |
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| 00:24.54 | NcA^ | anyone know much about the Debian Multimedia Project? |
| 00:24.56 | dvs | that was fast! |
| 00:24.59 | dvs | ;-)( |
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| 00:25.14 | humboldt | after so many years working with linux there is still one piece of knowledge missing for me to be truely happy |
| 00:25.24 | stew | NcA^: ask a more specific question |
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| 00:25.42 | humboldt | when I start some process in ssh, how can I leave the ssh session but keep the process running? |
| 00:25.51 | NcA^ | is it out? |
| 00:25.51 | jelly-home | humboldt: screen? |
| 00:25.52 | NcA^ | :P |
| 00:25.55 | stew | humboldt: start it with nohup or screen |
| 00:25.58 | twisted` | jelly-home: well, backups won't be made since it's raid6 |
| 00:25.59 | dkr | humboldt: nohup command& |
| 00:26.06 | NcA^ | Cant' find owt on the wiki |
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| 00:26.18 | twisted` | jelly-home: so for that... I prefer one giant partition |
| 00:26.26 | jelly-home | twisted`: hope your customers don't get to know about that bit |
| 00:26.36 | twisted` | it's my own server :) |
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| 00:27.18 | stew | NcA^: do you mean demudi? or what? |
| 00:27.22 | twisted` | but xfs seems intresting with the grow command |
| 00:27.30 | jelly-home | twisted`: schedule a forced fsck once you have some data on it and see how long it takes, so that you can have an estimate of downtime |
| 00:27.55 | jelly-home | ext3 also has online resize now, but it's rather new feature |
| 00:27.57 | Vladi | hi, is there a bash equivalent shell that logs everything to a file so i can monitor a specific user? |
| 00:28.14 | stew | NcA^: the debian-multimedia team is mostly working on doing a good job of packaging software for debian, not creating a separate dist. the demudi project, afaik, is dead |
| 00:28.28 | NcA^ | aye |
| 00:28.32 | NcA^ | that's what I thought |
| 00:28.32 | CompWizdr | twisted: raid6 won't protect you against a filesystem error though, or user error |
| 00:28.34 | stew | NcA^: there is also the studio64 probject that is being worked on by (at least) one member of the -multimedia team |
| 00:28.53 | twisted` | CompWizdr: true |
| 00:29.09 | twisted` | hmm, parted does reconise the raid |
| 00:29.11 | NcA^ | alright |
| 00:29.18 | NcA^ | put simply |
| 00:29.28 | NcA^ | I've just been given a lappy |
| 00:29.41 | CompWizdr | twisted`: worst case, you'd just make the partitions in parted from a different cd, and then the sarge/etch installer should recognize the existing partitions when you go to install |
| 00:29.44 | NcA^ | and I'm looking for good linux audio distros to install on it |
| 00:29.52 | NcA^ | DeMuDi was good |
| 00:29.53 | jelly-home | NcA^: "lapdance"? |
| 00:29.55 | NcA^ | but old and dead |
| 00:30.01 | NcA^ | YES PLEASE |
| 00:30.07 | Saar | where do i configure to remove enforcing using a specific port? |
| 00:30.08 | NcA^ | eh? |
| 00:30.11 | NcA^ | >_> |
| 00:30.13 | humboldt | ok, nohup is easy to use. screen more what I want. |
| 00:30.18 | twisted` | CompWizdr: installation is good, cause the root is on a faster harddrive outside the raid |
| 00:30.25 | Saar | this question gets asked somewhere in the debian installation, wonder how to change it afterwards |
| 00:30.33 | stew | NcA^: uh maybe i meant 64studio |
| 00:30.37 | NcA^ | lol |
| 00:30.38 | NcA^ | aye |
| 00:30.45 | NcA^ | studio 64 is summat different |
| 00:30.47 | NcA^ | ;P |
| 00:30.59 | CompWizdr | twisted`: ah, that works.. i have /boot on a 16 meg compact flash card with the 15 drive array |
| 00:31.02 | CompWizdr | makes fixing it a hair easier |
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| 00:31.20 | jelly-home | !info dtach |
| 00:31.23 | dpkg | dtach: (emulates the detach feature of screen), section misc, is optional. Version: 0.7-1 (sid), Packaged size: 12 kB, Installed size: 64 kB |
| 00:31.49 | humboldt | I know, read the man page. But I am tired and want to go to bed. Save my eyes and the planet by shutting down my laptop. I want to save my work as well. So can you guys tell me how to keep my process started with screen running in the bg while I close the ssh session? |
| 00:31.52 | smacnay | Seems that when I try to use xsane or scanimage as user, there is an attempt to insmod mfpport.ko which is not in my 2.6.18-4-k7 .deb kernel. |
| 00:31.54 | stew | NcA^: however, afaik, 64studio doesn't change the packages from debian, its just a convenient way to install a bunch of audio apps. i don't think you get any more out of it than you would from installing debian and the same apps |
| 00:31.59 | stew | NcA^: excep maybe a low latency kernel |
| 00:32.08 | twisted` | CompWizdr: nice |
| 00:32.21 | twisted` | now to figure out how parted works so I can create a new partition table |
| 00:32.23 | jelly-home | humboldt: just detach the screen (ctrl-a d) and log off |
| 00:32.43 | twisted` | ah label they call it |
| 00:32.44 | NcA^ | hrmm |
| 00:32.44 | jelly-home | humboldt: tomorrow, do a screen -r |
| 00:32.52 | NcA^ | I' just looking for the lazy way to do it |
| 00:33.10 | humboldt | jelly-home: and reconn.... that's what I was about to say. Got that far in the man page. TNX! |
| 00:33.18 | smacnay | but, I can get the device name as root and use that device name as user and access the scanner through 'scanimage'. |
| 00:33.21 | NcA^ | 64 studio looks pretty tight |
| 00:33.26 | CompWizdr | yeah, you mklabel GPT or whatever |
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| 00:33.43 | NcA^ | but I'm looking to run it on a 32-bit P4 2.8 |
| 00:34.11 | jelly-home | NcA^: what, are they 64bit only? |
| 00:34.20 | NcA^ | yeah |
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| 00:34.33 | NcA^ | based on the pure 64-bit debian distro |
| 00:34.46 | NcA^ | at least that's what I just read |
| 00:34.52 | humboldt | jelly-home: one more little thing. In order to make screen adjust to the actual terminal size I start it with -A, right? Can I screen -r -A even if I did not start the initial process with -A? |
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| 00:35.28 | stew | NcA^: yes, it is. but like i said, i don't think it has anything that debian doesn't, other than a more targetted installer and a low latency kernel (which you can certainly run in debian0 |
| 00:35.50 | NcA^ | apt ftw |
| 00:36.05 | apt | [ftw] wtf backwards, or for the win |
| 00:36.06 | jelly-home | humboldt: screen almost always adjusts to current size |
| 00:36.06 | NcA^ | but I ain't much on kernels just yet |
| 00:36.07 | stew | bzed: is filing mass bugs! |
| 00:36.11 | NcA^ | but that's not entirely necessary |
| 00:36.20 | jelly-home | humboldt: never had to use -A (I don't even know what it does) |
| 00:36.21 | bzed | stew: only 86 |
| 00:36.39 | stew | bzed: thanks! |
| 00:36.41 | bzed | stew: zobel about 260, and winnie will do the rest ;) |
| 00:36.44 | sciron | why does lenny's udev use groups which do not exist in a base netinstall /etc/group file? |
| 00:36.46 | humboldt | jelly-home: great, thanks! |
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| 00:37.00 | bzed | stew: did you get some? ;) |
| 00:37.08 | stew | bzed: yeah, gnuserv |
| 00:37.13 | bzed | ah :) |
| 00:37.37 | NcA^ | stew : cheers for the advice mate |
| 00:37.37 | twisted` | hmm... now howto format to a xfs partition, cause I don't seem to have mkfs.xfs :( |
| 00:37.38 | jelly-home | humboldt: might have to send your app a ctrl-L to make it refresh... I think screen sends it SIGWINCH just like an xterm does |
| 00:37.41 | stew | bzed: and something from debian-multimedia, but i haven't figured out which package in the 60 or so from one email is actually a -multimedia package |
| 00:37.46 | humboldt | jelly-home: and every command I start with screen would open a new virtual terminal, which I can switch to with C-a NUMBER |
| 00:37.52 | stew | NcA^: you're wellcome. enjoy |
| 00:37.55 | en1gma | sup all...im still playing with my network (lan) and cant seem to get the networked computer connected to this one to get an ip from me....i can connect to net but he cant.....what is a real easy to configure dhcp server...i mean real easy |
| 00:38.04 | en1gma | wait i might just put a stat ip there |
| 00:38.05 | en1gma | 1 sec |
| 00:38.29 | jelly-home | humboldt: I usually just open another shell with ctrl-a c when I need it |
| 00:38.31 | bzed | stew: didn't know that -multimedia was tested, too |
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| 00:39.23 | jelly-home | humboldt: then switch screens with ctrl-a space (or explicit ctrl-a number, yes) |
| 00:39.48 | stew | bzed: looks like wavbreaker. -multimedia is just a team that maintins a bunch of audio apps. they sponsor rosegarden for me, so i'm subscribed to the list which gets all bugs assinged to any -multimedia package |
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| 00:40.18 | bzed | stew: ah ok, I thought you mean the pacajkges from d-multimedia.org |
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| 00:40.39 | Saar | during installation of debian it is asked if you want programs to change/take over a port another program is listening on, I am wondering how to change this later on |
| 00:40.39 | jelly-home | humboldt: and for most commands you don't have to release the control key ... ctrl-a ctrl-c works just lke ctrl-a c does |
| 00:40.45 | stew | bzed: oh, no, that's just an unfortunate name conflic |
| 00:40.46 | stew | t |
| 00:40.52 | bzed | k |
| 00:40.58 | stew | bzed: i mean lists.debian.org/debian-multimedia |
| 00:41.17 | humboldt | jelly-home: thanks a lot and good night |
| 00:41.19 | jelly-home | Saar: probably dpkg-reconfigure whatever-service |
| 00:41.26 | twisted` | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:41.37 | twisted` | that's how parted sees my raid, which is correct |
| 00:41.44 | twisted` | but, after I did mkfs.xfs /dev/sdb1 |
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| 00:41.55 | Saar | jelly-home: i think it is a global type of configuration for any service |
| 00:42.03 | twisted` | and mount it, df -h shows: /dev/sdb1 281G 544K 281G 1% /data |
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| 00:42.14 | twisted` | it eats my hd! |
| 00:42.16 | Saar | but maybe i am missing something |
| 00:42.53 | jelly-home | Saar: it would help if you showed the exact question and when is it being asked? |
| 00:43.10 | Saar | that would require me to run a debian install |
| 00:43.13 | CompWizdr | twisted`: can you pastebin a print from parted? |
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| 00:43.20 | twisted` | CompWizdr: sure |
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| 00:43.56 | twisted` | CompWizdr: http://pastebin.ca/490443 |
| 00:44.22 | jelly-home | Saar: sorry, I don't know anything about it |
| 00:44.29 | twisted` | parted is a nice app btw :) |
| 00:44.32 | CompWizdr | sec, looking at my own huge partition to see what it says |
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| 00:45.40 | alexbodn | hi all |
| 00:46.04 | alexbodn | i have apt-proxy running, and i wish to keep apt cache empty for each machine. any idea? |
| 00:46.08 | CompWizdr | twisted: does an ext3 partition work properly? |
| 00:46.20 | twisted` | CompWizdr: dunno, let me try |
| 00:47.10 | abrotman | alexbodn: man apt.conf |
| 00:47.18 | erps | proftpd - I set DefaultRoot to ~ for all users, but users can still change to lower directories.. My understanding was that they were restricted to ~ and its subdirectories.. Even when I set DefaultRoot to a specific location.. it is not placing them there.. Although other changes in the config do take effect... Help? |
| 00:47.19 | cafuego | twisted`: your raid array is mounted as /dev/sdb1? |
| 00:47.22 | CompWizdr | i can't remember if you need to reboot after partitioning like that or not |
| 00:47.32 | twisted` | cafuego: yup so it seems |
| 00:47.45 | cafuego | that's odd to say the least |
| 00:47.50 | alexbodn | abrotman: thanks, i have checked it but idoesn't help |
| 00:47.58 | abrotman | alexbodn: read it again .. it's there |
| 00:48.25 | twisted` | cafuego: howso? |
| 00:48.25 | stew | i have a raid array mounted as /dev/sdb1 as well, don't see why that is odd |
| 00:48.25 | alexbodn | right away :) |
| 00:48.26 | cafuego | twisted`: raid would normally be a special device OR a /dev/mapper |
| 00:48.26 | twisted` | >_< also need to figure out how I can allocate ram as a disk and mount it |
| 00:48.34 | CompWizdr | cafuego: he's got hardware raid though. |
| 00:48.42 | CompWizdr | 3ware mounts as a regular /dev/sda, for example |
| 00:48.50 | cafuego | twisted`: ramdisk: moutn /dev/tmp as tmpfs on /somewhere |
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| 00:49.16 | cafuego | CompWizdr: Ah ok; The only hardware raid I got ises /dev/ciss/* |
| 00:49.36 | CompWizdr | it's driver dependent, yeah.. dell controllers do something else if i remember right.. 3ware shows up as a /dev/sdx, even if it's PATA |
| 00:49.40 | twisted` | cafuego: hmm, but that's for tmpfs, linux also calls a ramdisk a "ramdisk" and not something else funky? so I don't google for hours |
| 00:49.40 | CompWizdr | his is areca |
| 00:49.53 | cafuego | twisted`: tmpfs == ramdisk :-) |
| 00:49.58 | twisted` | ah, kewl |
| 00:50.08 | cafuego | twisted`: it'll get swapped out if unused |
| 00:50.25 | cafuego | you can pass a size= option |
| 00:50.47 | stew | CompWizdr: the dell hardware i have comes up as /dev/sdXX too |
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| 00:51.03 | abrotman | you have dell hardware ? |
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| 00:51.15 | abrotman | alexbodn: find it ? |
| 00:51.17 | twisted` | well what I need to do is make a ramdisk of 2gb and during boot dd the contents of a 2gb partition (where the sql database resides) to the ram, mount the ramdisk and through a cronjob dd the contents back from ram to the hd every 30min |
| 00:51.17 | stew | abrotman: well i have clients that have dell hardware |
| 00:51.24 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 00:51.29 | Justin | twisted`: huh? |
| 00:51.31 | stew | abrotman: i'm logged into dell hardware right now... |
| 00:51.31 | petemc | dell rocks |
| 00:51.35 | stew | easy |
| 00:51.46 | alexbodn | i'm looking at dir:state |
| 00:51.47 | cafuego | twisted`: that would probably get you an inconsistent snapshot |
| 00:51.50 | stew | !start a cheap ass server war |
| 00:51.50 | abrotman | petemc: maybe .ie dell is different? :) |
| 00:52.01 | Justin | twisted`: does your DB do mostly reads or writes? |
| 00:52.05 | cafuego | twisted`: use pqdump or mysqldump instead |
| 00:52.05 | abrotman | alexbodn: you can use /cache to search the man page |
| 00:52.06 | twisted` | /dev/sdb1 276G 192M 262G 1% /data |
| 00:52.10 | alexbodn | abrotman:i'm looking at dir:state |
| 00:52.15 | CompWizdr | twisted`: did you reboot after changing the partition with parted? |
| 00:52.17 | petemc | perhaps, where i live is occupied by the british |
| 00:52.23 | twisted` | hmm, well, ext3 shows even less then xfs :P |
| 00:52.35 | petemc | tho we rececently 'devolved' |
| 00:52.58 | cafuego | twisted`: Did you run mkfs manually on /dev/sdb1? |
| 00:53.00 | twisted` | CompWizdr: uh, no, I should've? cause so far I never had to reboot after I altered the table... |
| 00:53.06 | twisted` | cafuego: yup |
| 00:53.14 | alexbodn | abrotman: i've tried the cache related setting, but seems to pertain to dselect only |
| 00:53.42 | alexbodn | anyway, i might have probably not written it correctly |
| 00:53.44 | abrotman | alexbodn: which setting ? |
| 00:53.45 | CompWizdr | twisted`: but you also switched parittioning style |
| 00:53.49 | stew | abrotman: oh and i do have dell hardware. our firwall is mrs. stew's computer from her freshman year of college |
| 00:53.56 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:54.05 | twisted` | CompWizdr: so I gotta reboot? damn |
| 00:54.06 | abrotman | stew: P1 generation ? |
| 00:54.12 | twisted` | well, let me remove the partition and reboot |
| 00:54.15 | CompWizdr | twisted`: i don't know to be honest, but that's what i'd try first |
| 00:54.22 | stew | abrotman: yes, 133 that is underclocked with no fan |
| 00:54.24 | alexbodn | abrotman: clean always |
| 00:54.51 | erps | Hrm, nevermind.. for whatever reason it was not allowing me to set multiple instructions for what user groups it affects or doesn't affect... |
| 00:54.52 | twisted` | CompWizdr: kewl |
| 00:55.06 | alexbodn | i remember dselect was asking for deleting downloaded packages |
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| 00:55.22 | abrotman | alexbodn: it might be case sensitive |
| 00:55.28 | twisted` | Justin: mainly reads |
| 00:55.52 | alexbodn | abrotman: i'm respecting case of Cache |
| 00:56.05 | abrotman | Clean always |
| 00:56.11 | abrotman | seems to imply what it says |
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| 00:57.09 | abrotman | you can use apt-config to check the conf |
| 00:57.10 | NcA^ | sorry for being a novice and all.... But 21 CD's for the Debian install???? |
| 00:57.19 | NcA^ | Am I missing something? |
| 00:57.23 | dvs | NcA^: You only need the netinstall CD |
| 00:57.30 | NcA^ | ok |
| 00:57.32 | NcA^ | I already got that |
| 00:57.33 | dvs | NcA^: if you have high speed internet |
| 00:57.35 | NcA^ | ;) |
| 00:57.42 | xarquid | Soo, tried everything with ALSA on this Lenovo laptop and still can not get sound. Any suggestions or troubleshooting steps? :p |
| 00:57.42 | twisted` | cafuego: 0_o |
| 00:57.43 | stew | NcA^: can you get on the internet with a stock debian kernel? if so you only need the first, or a netinst |
| 00:57.47 | alexbodn | abrotman: it shows what i have really written |
| 00:57.48 | NcA^ | What's up with the 21 CD thing then? |
| 00:57.56 | NcA^ | ummm |
| 00:57.57 | dvs | NcA^: That's the entire collection |
| 00:57.59 | abrotman | seems it should work |
| 00:58.02 | NcA^ | doubt I can get on tbh |
| 00:58.03 | alexbodn | but it just doesn't work |
| 00:58.08 | cafuego | twisted`: `partpobe' might work, but a reboot is probably better. |
| 00:58.09 | stew | NcA^: that is every single package in case you need to install on non-networked computers |
| 00:58.09 | dvs | NcA^: And most people use 20% at most |
| 00:58.20 | NcA^ | I've got a belkin USB network adapter |
| 00:58.22 | abrotman | alexbodn: apt-config | grep Clean |
| 00:58.24 | twisted` | damnit, my system hangs, _again_ |
| 00:58.24 | jelly-home | they mostly come out at night, mostly |
| 00:58.26 | abrotman | erm .. |
| 00:58.30 | abrotman | alexbodn: apt-config dump | grep Clean |
| 00:58.40 | twisted` | "Begin: waiting for the root filesystem..." |
| 00:58.41 | alexbodn | APT { |
| 00:59.05 | alexbodn | // Get { |
| 00:59.05 | alexbodn | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:59.05 | alexbodn | // }; |
| 00:59.05 | alexbodn | }; |
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| 00:59.05 | dvs | NcA^: I'd go with a wired NIC if possible |
| 00:59.06 | NcA^ | alright |
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| 00:59.06 | NcA^ | I'll give it a shot |
| 00:59.06 | twisted` | gotta boot a livecd, chroot, run update-initramfs |
| 00:59.06 | twisted` | >_> |
| 00:59.06 | NcA^ | I can always jack my housemate's ethernet cable |
| 00:59.09 | stew | NcA^: if you cant get on with a debian kenrel, then you need whichever cd's contain whichever packages you need to get yourself on |
| 00:59.11 | xarquid | ;;) |
| 00:59.17 | stew | NcA^: /msg dpkg which cd |
| 00:59.24 | twisted` | and then somehow, it works again, it doesn't make friggin sense, it's probably because of the raid or something |
| 00:59.25 | cafuego | twisted`: ugh |
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| 00:59.59 | stew | !tell alexbodn about paste |
| 01:00.04 | cafuego | twisted`: I;ve only seen mine do that on mdraid; when the array hasn't shut down properly. hwraid should be doing that *at all* |
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| 01:00.07 | jelly-home | twisted`: raid has nothing to do with it, it just presents your machine a nice scsi disk device |
| 01:00.09 | magyar | hi, how do i separate multiple directories during a copy command? |
| 01:00.13 | twisted` | ok, weird |
| 01:00.18 | lepton | hi, where do I hack etch (/etc/dbus-1/system.d/?) to get a usb keydrive to mount upon insert? |
| 01:00.24 | cafuego | magyar: with spaces |
| 01:00.26 | twisted` | sometimes it decides to call the raid sda and the internal hd sdb |
| 01:00.30 | NcA^ | cool |
| 01:00.31 | jelly-home | twisted`: blame the pengiuns! |
| 01:00.39 | NcA^ | nice one again stew |
| 01:00.43 | alexbodn | abrotman: sorry haven't counted the lines |
| 01:00.44 | cafuego | twisted`: this is what UUID is for |
| 01:00.55 | magyar | cafuego: "cp dir1 dir2 dir3 dir4 /var" ? |
| 01:00.55 | twisted` | cafuego: how can I set that? cause this is bloody annoying :) |
| 01:01.08 | cafuego | twisted`: tune2fs -l should show you |
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| 01:01.16 | cafuego | or lkbid /dev/XXX |
| 01:01.19 | jelly-home | blkid too |
| 01:01.20 | cafuego | blkid /dev/XXX |
| 01:01.24 | twisted` | yeah but what should I do with the UUID? |
| 01:01.28 | cafuego | magyar: yup |
| 01:01.36 | magyar | cafuego: thanks |
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| 01:01.43 | cafuego | twisted`: Add UUID=63476346316487231647892678678 in /etc/fstab instead of the device name |
| 01:01.49 | abrotman | alexbodn: apt-=config dump .. different format |
| 01:01.55 | cafuego | twisted`: and root=UUID=63476346316487231647892678678 as boot option |
| 01:02.04 | xarquid | Rebuilt ALSA, reinstalled ALSA via apt-get install and made sure sound is on, tried headphones/speakers (all volume is max) and nothing is making sounds or mp3s (have XMSS set to the ALSA module as well for output) |
| 01:02.07 | twisted` | instead of /dev/sda the uuid? |
| 01:02.09 | XMrs | hi. is there a software that i can record my desktop as .avi etc..? |
| 01:02.22 | cafuego | twisted`: DISCLAIMER: I know that works fine on Ubuntu kernels, I've NOT used it on Debian. |
| 01:02.28 | cafuego | twisted`: yah |
| 01:02.30 | twisted` | that's pretty intresting |
| 01:02.49 | abrotman | !info istanbul etch |
| 01:02.52 | dpkg | istanbul: (Desktop session recorder producing Ogg Theora video), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.2.1-3 (etch), Packaged size: 46 kB, Installed size: 233 kB |
| 01:02.52 | cafuego | twisted`: 's coz the 2.6.20+ new ata drivers call everyingthing sdX |
| 01:03.03 | alexbodn | abrotman: APT::Clean "always"; |
| 01:03.13 | abrotman | seems like that shuld do it |
| 01:03.14 | jelly-home | abrotman: hmm... not constantinople? |
| 01:03.15 | XMrs | wow, thanx!! |
| 01:03.25 | abrotman | jelly-home: make it clean dman it! |
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| 01:05.27 | cafuego | So say my raid in fstab is "UUID=09f91102-9d74-e35b-d841-56c5635688c0 /raid ext3 defaults,user_xattr,errors=remount-ro 0 0 |
| 01:05.53 | alexbodn | abrotman: maybe cache-limit? |
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| 01:07.00 | twisted` | cafuego: UUID="80453702-0301-400f-be43-af421a1df23e" / ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 # sda4 |
| 01:07.02 | twisted` | cafuego: like that? |
| 01:07.37 | cafuego | No, no quotes |
| 01:07.54 | cafuego | UUID=80453702-0301-400f-be43-af421a1df23e |
| 01:08.15 | twisted` | ah k |
| 01:08.29 | twisted` | kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-686 root=UUID=80453702-0301-400f-be43-af421a1df23e ro |
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| 01:08.38 | twisted` | there too right? |
| 01:08.38 | cafuego | check |
| 01:08.47 | abrotman | alexbodn: you can try that too |
| 01:08.53 | twisted` | rebooting |
| 01:09.06 | jetscreamer | sometimes the fstab one won't work for me, with a custom kernel |
| 01:09.13 | karsten | Was it ever possible to use sparse files as swapfiles? Doesn't work for me now (swapon complains about holes in files) but I thought it once did. |
| 01:09.16 | alexbodn | abrotman, it has other meaning |
| 01:09.17 | jetscreamer | works fine with stock |
| 01:09.24 | cafuego | jetscreamer: Needs the blkid tools on initrd |
| 01:09.27 | abrotman | alexbodn: i see that |
| 01:09.34 | jetscreamer | it's mkswap -v1 is all i know |
| 01:09.48 | karsten | Stitching panoramas, 1 GB RAM. Added another 2 GB swapfile |
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| 01:10.10 | twisted` | cafuego: seems to work perfectly :D |
| 01:10.16 | cafuego | twisted`: yay :-) |
| 01:10.16 | twisted` | cafuego: you just saved me a gazillion headaches |
| 01:10.20 | twisted` | cafuego: <3 |
| 01:10.36 | cafuego | twisted`: Don't worry, I'm sure to give you a new one at some stage. |
| 01:10.36 | jetscreamer | i forgot where i put my memory!!! |
| 01:10.41 | alexbodn | abrotman: the only things tha should work seem dir:cache |
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| 01:10.52 | karsten | jetscreamer: Dontchya jes' hate that? |
| 01:10.56 | alexbodn | s/tha/that/ |
| 01:10.59 | jetscreamer | which sucks, since it's a very old laptop |
| 01:11.03 | twisted` | cafuego: yeah cus now I'm gonna find out if I can mount 2.5tb :) |
| 01:11.33 | cafuego | wikipedia sez it can |
| 01:11.41 | jetscreamer | hd is misplaced also :/ and of course it has the adapter on it |
| 01:11.45 | twisted` | SCSI device sda: 4882810880 512-byte hdwr sectors (2499999 MB) |
| 01:11.49 | twisted` | kernel reconises it! |
| 01:11.50 | twisted` | yeay! |
| 01:12.00 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 01:12.07 | jetscreamer | !congratulate twisted` |
| 01:12.07 | dpkg | Good show twisted`, you did it! |
| 01:12.28 | CompWizdr | kernel didn't recognize it before? |
| 01:13.10 | twisted` | CompWizdr: nope, but now to make a partition on it. |
| 01:13.14 | CompWizdr | the [20:00:12] <<twisted`>> sdb : very big device. try to use READ CAPACITY(16). you mentioned before is normal for that big of a disk |
| 01:13.22 | cafuego | The ext3 max volume size ranges from 2TiB to 32 TiB deending on block size. |
| 01:13.46 | CompWizdr | i'd start by trying an xfs partition, heh.. mkfs is slow with the defaults on 2 TB :) |
| 01:13.47 | twisted` | cafuego: nope that's all it said, no size etc |
| 01:13.47 | cafuego | twisted`: You will want to enable sparse-superblocks I imagine |
| 01:13.50 | CompWizdr | and you probably want XFS anyways |
| 01:14.10 | twisted` | prolly |
| 01:14.16 | twisted` | need to figure out the switches for xfs tho |
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| 01:14.22 | xarquid | What is the command to make sure my Intel based (internal) laptop soundcard is indeed ALSA so I can make sure I am not going insane? |
| 01:14.23 | abrotman | alexbodn: and there's no sample in the example file |
| 01:14.34 | CompWizdr | oh, and um, if you're doing a mkfs, and your partitions keep changing names, triple check it's sda and not sdb :) |
| 01:14.59 | dvs | xarquid: lspci | grep -i audio |
| 01:15.12 | alexbodn | abrotman: do you know what /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin is? |
| 01:15.19 | alexbodn | a cache index? |
| 01:15.20 | xarquid | 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 03) |
| 01:15.22 | twisted` | CompWizdr: yeah, duh :) |
| 01:15.25 | xarquid | ALSA< correct? ;) |
| 01:15.28 | twisted` | CompWizdr: thanks for the hint tho ;) |
| 01:15.41 | abrotman | alexbodn: bah .. you're right .. i missed the dselect bit in the man page .. i'm an idiot |
| 01:15.49 | cafuego | mkfs will change the blkid too, so you can re-add it to fstab with UUID= afterwards |
| 01:15.50 | twisted` | /dev/sda1 2.3T 1.1M 2.3T 1% /data |
| 01:15.51 | twisted` | victory! |
| 01:15.56 | dvs | xarquid: need snd-intelhda so "lsmod | grep intel" |
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| 01:16.03 | CompWizdr | sounds like you did need to reboot, eh? |
| 01:16.15 | twisted` | CompWizdr: werd |
| 01:16.38 | CompWizdr | i usually pipe a dmesg to a file everyime i change a kernel, and diff -u that with the previous one, so i can see what's changed |
| 01:16.38 | xarquid | dvs: it's snd_hda_intel |
| 01:16.38 | lfs | I ran setup on a USB device, and it returned successful, but the bios doesnt see a boot device? |
| 01:16.38 | CompWizdr | shows me in a hurry if a device isn't working, too |
| 01:16.42 | dvs | xarquid: yeah, that's ALSA |
| 01:16.52 | xarquid | then why the heck isn't sound working, hehe |
| 01:16.53 | cafuego | it's only 5.275 leeter than my drive ;-) |
| 01:17.01 | lfs | How to test whether a device is bootable? |
| 01:17.06 | abrotman | alexbodn: what if you set the Cache-Limit to 1 ? |
| 01:17.12 | alexbodn | abrotman: and idiot misses things forever, without ever realizing the fact :) |
| 01:17.16 | cafuego | lfs: boot from it |
| 01:17.32 | lfs | HOw come grub ran successful? |
| 01:17.38 | lfs | setup on grub. |
| 01:17.39 | twisted` | well now it only mounts the UUID's instead of names |
| 01:17.42 | twisted` | so it can't go wrong! |
| 01:17.43 | twisted` | w00t |
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| 01:17.56 | abrotman | yeah .. set the Cache-Limit to 1 ? |
| 01:18.06 | alexbodn | abrotman: i will try it, in conjunction with wir:cache:archive "" |
| 01:18.18 | abrotman | i'd just try the Cache-Limit first |
| 01:18.42 | karsten | cafuego: So what did xfs do to you? |
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| 01:18.50 | karsten | cafuego: ... swap your skim milk for whole? |
| 01:18.53 | xarquid | got sound working |
| 01:19.05 | CompWizdr | twisted`: what drives are you using in the array? |
| 01:19.05 | xarquid | the laptop controls just are screwy in linux (sighs) |
| 01:19.13 | twisted` | CompWizdr: brand you mean? |
| 01:19.19 | cafuego | karsten: it ate 2 complete filesystems and trashed ld-linux.so on a third. |
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| 01:19.20 | CompWizdr | sure.. make/model |
| 01:19.29 | twisted` | CompWizdr: have to look it up for ya, didn't buy 'em |
| 01:19.31 | karsten | cafuego: Feature! |
| 01:19.34 | twisted` | only installin the machine :P |
| 01:19.51 | cafuego | karsten: If I want those features I'll use reiser, thanks :-P |
| 01:20.00 | jelly-home | karsten: tested a NAS thing once a few years ago, pulled the plug, put it back, filesystem thrashed, said bwahaha |
| 01:20.05 | lfs | Can one use grub on a USB memory stick? |
| 01:20.12 | xarquid | yes |
| 01:20.29 | magyar | hi, i need to mirror exact partition layout from one drive to another. How can i achive that? |
| 01:20.30 | jelly-home | lfs: if the machine can boot from the said stick, yes |
| 01:20.37 | CompWizdr | twisted`: does the areca have a command line interface to their card? |
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| 01:20.40 | twisted` | can't linux request that information from the harddrive |
| 01:20.45 | cafuego | magyar: 'dd' |
| 01:20.46 | dvs | magyar: dd |
| 01:20.46 | xarquid | GRUB on usb --> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.knoppix.net%2Fwiki%2FUSB_Based_FAQ&ei=S1xKRrv8FZS-wQKCx-iIAg&usg=AFrqEzfP_e_FCzXghDzkQ_RMJQIhB19TDQ&sig2=Tdb4V6waohXdtiAMB4SVuw |
| 01:20.52 | dvs | cafuego: liar! ;-) |
| 01:20.57 | twisted` | CompWizdr: no, but they do supply a webinterface |
| 01:21.00 | twisted` | (didn't try yet) |
| 01:21.02 | CompWizdr | eww |
| 01:21.12 | xarquid | sorry --> http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/USB_Based_FAQ (less messy url) |
| 01:21.12 | lfs | It will boot if I do cat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdc |
| 01:21.17 | karsten | jelly-home: ... and? |
| 01:21.20 | dvs | heh |
| 01:21.33 | jelly-home | karsten: an xfs experience! |
| 01:21.37 | CompWizdr | actually, i think they do |
| 01:21.37 | karsten | cafuego: xfs isn't particularly known for its robustness. More speed. |
| 01:21.53 | karsten | If you want a robust filesystem ... |
| 01:21.57 | magyar | cafuego: dvs; i need to create partitions |
| 01:21.57 | karsten | ... use clay tablets. |
| 01:22.00 | cafuego | karsten: Yeah, speed is why I run dir-index on ext3. Seems fine. |
| 01:22.01 | lfs | Maybe grub is bad. |
| 01:22.25 | cafuego | magyar: if you dd the raw device, EVBERYTHING will be copied, including layout, data , etc |
| 01:22.29 | twisted` | cafuego: btw, I don't think tmpfs fits my needs, since it doesn't need to be dynamic and use swap |
| 01:22.35 | CompWizdr | twisted`: ftp://ftp.areca.com.tw/RaidCards/AP_Drivers/Linux/CLI |
| 01:22.44 | dvs | magyar: it will be an EXACT copy |
| 01:22.59 | karsten | cafuego: YMMV. We've run into some journalfile bugs which really impact ext3fs performance here. OTOH, ext3 is what's standard, and By Word, We Are A Standards Shop. |
| 01:23.00 | cafuego | twisted`: well, it'll be used by sql and as such not swapped out, I'd hazard |
| 01:23.14 | jelly-home | karsten: Moses used raid 0 over 3 tables, that's why only 10 or the original 15 commandments were restored after a single tablet catastrophic failure |
| 01:23.23 | magyar | cafuego: i have a blank drive no partitions |
| 01:23.33 | dvs | magyar: that's fine |
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| 01:23.44 | magyar | cafuego: the other drive had four partitions |
| 01:23.49 | magyar | has |
| 01:23.53 | karsten | jelly-home: :-) |
| 01:24.03 | twisted` | cafuego: u lost me |
| 01:24.10 | stew | magyar: all primary partitions? |
| 01:24.23 | karsten | cafuego: Stop that! Losing people is _my_ job. |
| 01:25.10 | stew | magyar: and do you want to copy the data too? or just the patition layout? |
| 01:25.15 | cafuego | twisted`: If the data on the tmpfs is used, it won't get swapped out. |
| 01:25.21 | magyar | stew: nope, i need to add a md device, to an existing four partition drive with "/, /boot, /usr, /home, /var" on separate partitions |
| 01:25.31 | twisted` | hmm... |
| 01:25.46 | magyar | stew: drive layout |
| 01:25.47 | stew | add a md device to a drive? |
| 01:25.50 | jelly-home | NcA^: um, 64studio _has_ a 32bit edition |
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| 01:26.04 | twisted` | well the idea is that the mysql database will reside on it's own partition, and on boot the partition will be dd'd to the ramdisk, the ramdisk will be mounted |
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| 01:26.21 | CompWizdr | twisted`: wouldn't an SSD be easier? :) |
| 01:26.25 | magyar | stew: one of the drives that was a part of an RAID1 aray died |
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| 01:26.46 | magyar | stew: to add the drive i have to mirror the patition layout |
| 01:27.03 | jelly-home | twisted`: will there be replication to a HDD based db, or will you just lose data? |
| 01:27.28 | twisted` | jelly-home: I figured I'll do a crontab every 30min to dd the ramdisk back to the harddrive |
| 01:27.44 | alexbodn | abrotman: i seem to have screwed the system |
| 01:27.46 | cafuego | twisted`: What I'd try first: mount tmpfs at bootup, rsync the mysql data dir to tmpfs; start mysqld. At shutdown, run mysqldump. *HAVE A UPS* |
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| 01:28.02 | cafuego | twisted`: Though replicating to disk is a much, much better idea. |
| 01:28.02 | twisted` | cafuego: yeah I have a ups |
| 01:28.05 | twisted` | 2 even :P |
| 01:28.12 | abrotman | alexbodn: huh ? |
| 01:28.12 | stew | magyar: are they all primary partitions? |
| 01:28.15 | jelly-home | cafuego: OOPS = lose data |
| 01:28.33 | cafuego | Run the master off tmpfs, replicate to a 2nd local mysql server on disk. |
| 01:28.58 | magyar | stew: no, only /boot |
| 01:28.58 | jelly-home | twisted`: I wouldn't do dd, rsync might be better off, and replication even more |
| 01:29.04 | twisted` | what's replication exactly? |
| 01:29.07 | alexbodn | abrotman: seems not so bad: a symlink has been removed |
| 01:29.10 | stew | i dunno where extended partitions are stored, the 4 primaries are in the first sector |
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| 01:29.27 | cafuego | twisted`: making mysql keep a copy of all data on a slave server |
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| 01:29.36 | jelly-home | !google mysql replication |
| 01:29.37 | dmilith | Results for mysql replication on Google: |
| 01:29.38 | dmilith | -- |
| 01:29.46 | jelly-home | dmilith: d'oh! |
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| 01:29.59 | cafuego | wtf is dmilith? |
| 01:30.10 | cafuego | !test |
| 01:30.10 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 01:30.12 | stew | magyar: if you want to just copy the whole drive "cp /dev/foo /dev/bar" if you want to just copy the partition layout, "dd if=/dev/foo of=/dev/bar count=1" would do it if they were all primary, if you have extended partitions, i dunno, maybe sfdisk has an easy way |
| 01:30.23 | jelly-home | !moo |
| 01:30.23 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 01:30.30 | jelly-home | Ok, no mooers |
| 01:30.32 | twisted` | uh, I don't want to run a second server just for that :) |
| 01:30.41 | cafuego | dmilith: Could you turn that script off? |
| 01:30.59 | hatter | !monkeys |
| 01:30.59 | dpkg | rumour has it, monkeys is the most evil creatures in the world....damn bill gates and his monkeys DO NOT FEED THEM ! |
| 01:30.59 | cafuego | twisted`: Once the kernel crashes you wish you had. |
| 01:30.59 | jelly-home | twisted`: a second mysql instance based on disk. |
| 01:31.08 | magyar | stew: got it, how can i check for primary and extended settings? |
| 01:31.17 | jelly-home | twisted`: not a physical server (even though that would be nice) |
| 01:31.19 | cafuego | twisted`: reliability MUST take precedence over speed. |
| 01:31.26 | twisted` | jelly-home: hmm, that sounds intresting, but won't rsyncing the data would have the same effect |
| 01:31.33 | jelly-home | twisted`: no |
| 01:32.04 | jelly-home | twisted`: well, mysql data is _usually_ recoverable from plain filesystem dumps, but there's absolutely no guarantee |
| 01:32.09 | cafuego | twisted`: You can't rsync the data back; it may change during sync; you'll need to do a mysqldump to get a proper snapshot. |
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| 01:32.41 | stew | magyar: "fdisk -l" should tell you |
| 01:32.45 | twisted` | hmm and during boot, copying the "hard" file to the ram will be ok? |
| 01:32.59 | cafuego | well, you can read the dump data back in to mysql |
| 01:33.14 | cafuego | as a bonus, you'll have an ascii version you can back up off-site |
| 01:33.44 | twisted` | the data is not that important btw :P it's just a catalog of all the music I have, I just want it in memory cause it loads so #^%#@& slow sometimes |
| 01:33.49 | cafuego | What would be even BETTER actually... |
| 01:34.01 | cafuego | twisted`: Tune the mysql cache and use innodb |
| 01:34.10 | abrotman | alexbodn: fixed up ? |
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| 01:34.25 | cafuego | Just make the mysql server cache your data in memory |
| 01:34.28 | jelly-home | twisted`: amarok? |
| 01:34.36 | twisted` | jelly-home: nope, ampache |
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| 01:35.01 | jelly-home | twisted`: oh, dunno about that one, but amarok's queries are _really_ crappy |
| 01:35.02 | alexbodn | abrotman:my var is on another partition, but never anything complained: until now |
| 01:35.04 | magyar | stew: http://pastebin.ca/490514 |
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| 01:35.33 | abrotman | alexbodn: did you change the pkgcache.bin or whatever ? |
| 01:35.35 | stew | magyar: /dev/sda2 25 14593 117025492+ 5 Extended |
| 01:35.54 | cafuego | twisted`: http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2006/09/29/what-to-tune-in-mysql-server-after-installation/ |
| 01:35.59 | alexbodn | no, i have commented out our changes |
| 01:36.18 | Alam_Debian | would is it a bad idea to run gparted under SSH for a new hard drive? |
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| 01:36.39 | cafuego | Alam_Debian: No, just slow, probably. |
| 01:36.58 | alexbodn | i should try to sort out the symlinks, that are being broken somehow |
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| 01:37.34 | twisted` | hmm, mysql itself can also allocate more memory for itself? |
| 01:37.39 | cafuego | yup |
| 01:37.43 | twisted` | in that case I don't even need to make mysql a ramdisk |
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| 01:37.53 | cafuego | I'v not done much mysql tuning, but I'm sure they can help out in #mysql. |
| 01:38.07 | twisted` | nice :) |
| 01:38.24 | cafuego | twisted`: Yeh, and by not haviong a ramdisk, you're less likely to lose data (yay) |
| 01:38.36 | en1gma | if i can ping the other computer on my network but he cant get out to the net through my computer...what is wrong....i have ipmasq installed and i gave this command "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" |
| 01:38.37 | twisted` | w00t |
| 01:39.00 | en1gma | i didnt configure ipmasq...i just isntalled it and thats it |
| 01:39.50 | abrotman | alexbodn: and it's still complaining ? |
| 01:41.39 | alexbodn | abrotman: every time i activate cachelimit or dir::cache i get the /var symlinks removed |
| 01:42.24 | cafuego | lunch |
| 01:43.16 | abrotman | alexbodn: what's the actual error ? |
| 01:43.17 | alexbodn | abrotman: i should probably run aptitude update; aptitude upgrade; aptitude clean :) |
| 01:43.24 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:43.32 | abrotman | i think there's an autoclean option in the interactive aptitude |
| 01:44.34 | alexbodn | abrotman: /var (a symlink) is been brutally removed, and aptitude install complains of missing /var/lib/dpkg |
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| 01:44.57 | abrotman | and that's with either option or both ? |
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| 01:45.18 | alexbodn | either and both |
| 01:46.16 | alexbodn | it's not that critical |
| 01:46.17 | alexbodn | i can do it manually, or in cron |
| 01:46.17 | abrotman | alexbodn: you're on etch ? |
| 01:46.25 | alexbodn | yes |
| 01:46.31 | alexbodn | testing |
| 01:46.41 | alexbodn | lenny |
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| 01:47.14 | abrotman | etch isn't lenny |
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| 01:47.30 | alexbodn | mine is testing |
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| 01:48.01 | alexbodn | what's the time at your place? |
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| 01:48.11 | abrotman | 13 |
| 01:48.19 | abrotman | nah .. it's 47 after or so |
| 01:48.23 | alexbodn | here is 04:47 |
| 01:48.59 | rrk | anyone up the help with an etch mouse problem? |
| 01:49.03 | alexbodn | what do you mean by 47 after? |
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| 01:49.36 | alexbodn | rrk: cat /dev/mouse :) |
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| 01:50.21 | rrk | yep been there it responds to /dev/input/mouse0 and /dev/input/mice |
| 01:50.39 | abrotman | alexbodn: better than what i got when i tried APT::Cache-Limit |
| 01:50.40 | rrk | psaux throws erros |
| 01:51.04 | abrotman | hi damog :) |
| 01:51.09 | abrotman | damog: make apt behave! |
| 01:51.29 | alexbodn | abrotman: i almost can't see the screen. thanks a lot |
| 01:51.35 | damog | abrotman: what is she doing? |
| 01:51.36 | abrotman | alexbodn: ? |
| 01:51.41 | abrotman | damog: make it clean! |
| 01:51.41 | rrk | i have maybe six of the same mouse logitech marble been using them for years -- left handed |
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| 01:51.44 | alexbodn | here |
| 01:51.52 | damog | abrotman: yeah, she's dirty |
| 01:51.56 | abrotman | alexbodn: uhm .. apt.conf shouldn't do that |
| 01:52.00 | twisted` | ... apache is being a #^@^ |
| 01:52.12 | alexbodn | now we know it :) |
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| 01:52.50 | alexbodn | maybe i should use dselect ;)? |
| 01:53.10 | damog | does that still exist in etch? |
| 01:53.19 | karsten | Gimp error on jpegs: Plug-In could not open image |
| 01:53.52 | abrotman | alexbodn: email the apt maintainers and ask them how they'd do it |
| 01:54.05 | alexbodn | in woody they do |
| 01:54.12 | karsten | Hrm. Olympus seems to be causing problems here. |
| 01:54.21 | abrotman | you pissed off zeus |
| 01:54.59 | alexbodn | i should examine aptitude or apt-get source |
| 01:55.17 | karsten | Related: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=300186 |
| 01:55.22 | karsten | Yes, it's exif data. |
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| 01:55.55 | abrotman | alexbodn: that's another way :) |
| 01:56.13 | alexbodn | but not now !! |
| 01:56.20 | damog | dear lazyweb, should i change into mutt-ng? |
| 01:56.35 | abrotman | alexbodn: shoot an email to the apt maintainers .. you'd likely have a response by the time you wake |
| 01:56.47 | abrotman | !maint apt lenny |
| 01:56.51 | dpkg | apt: APT Development Team <deity@lists.debian.org> |
| 01:57.20 | bruno-cassol | guys plz help me... i just deleted my /dev/hda1 wich had windowsxp using qtparted... my debian etch is installed on /dev/hda7... will my pc (grub) boot ok after i reboot the PC? |
| 01:57.38 | alexbodn | ok, the last thing for this night :) |
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| 01:58.03 | rrk | alexbodn is there a way to force mouse to psaux that is what the other etch box is using |
| 01:58.43 | bruno-cassol | guys please help me.. i need to know if my pc will boot ok after i reboot... |
| 01:59.04 | alexbodn | rrk: you should so configure it in x and / or gpm |
| 01:59.33 | alexbodn | run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 01:59.45 | rrk | tried xorg.conf no dice -- where or what is the gdm config file? |
| 01:59.53 | alexbodn | good night all |
| 02:00.00 | alexbodn | thanks a lot ! |
| 02:00.03 | lfs | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:00.04 | lfs | in the drive '/cdrom/' and press enter |
| 02:00.15 | lfs | What the heck is that about? |
| 02:00.29 | rrk | tried the dpkg-reconfigure that didn't work either |
| 02:00.30 | CompWizdr | lfs: old cd? |
| 02:00.33 | abrotman | comment out the CD source |
| 02:01.07 | alexbodn | rrk: |
| 02:01.08 | rrk | the mouse is very eratic -- also tried xstep m 1 |
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| 02:01.21 | alexbodn | ls -l /dev/mouse |
| 02:01.31 | rrk | ok 1 sec |
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| 02:01.55 | twisted` | apache is on crack! |
| 02:02.02 | abrotman | twisted`: meth |
| 02:02.06 | lfs | How did that get there? |
| 02:02.08 | twisted` | probably too |
| 02:02.22 | abrotman | lfs: you left it in there ? |
| 02:02.34 | cafuego | aapche is fine, please adjust reality |
| 02:03.29 | abrotman | oh wait .. |
| 02:03.39 | abrotman | maddash said my typing affects reality! |
| 02:03.49 | bruno-cassol | what is the default boot loader on debian etch? |
| 02:04.00 | abrotman | bruno-cassol: depends on install options chosen |
| 02:04.44 | lfs | So if I install Lilo it replaces grub? |
| 02:04.47 | cwheeler | I installed some upgrades on etch, what does the kernel source upgrade to? where's it go? |
| 02:04.58 | lfs | I just want to run lilo -M /dev/sdc |
| 02:05.38 | rrk | alexbodn /dev/mouse does not exist |
| 02:05.42 | abrotman | /usr/src/ |
| 02:07.13 | lfs | I ran apt-get install lilo and now I have changed my mind |
| 02:07.40 | alexbodn | rrk: as root, please cd /dev; ln -s /psaux mouse |
| 02:07.52 | rrk | ok |
| 02:08.09 | lfs | What is command to remove a package? |
| 02:08.16 | karsten | lfs: man aptitude |
| 02:08.26 | lfs | thats not it |
| 02:08.27 | abrotman | alexbodn: you're not sleeping very well |
| 02:08.33 | karsten | !tell lfs about aptitude |
| 02:08.36 | karsten | lfs: It's not? |
| 02:08.38 | abrotman | alexbodn: and your command won't work :) |
| 02:08.46 | karsten | lfs: And all these years I've been confused. Damn! |
| 02:08.52 | karsten | lfs: Thanks for straightening me out. |
| 02:09.15 | karsten | rrk: You need to install /dev/mousehole. |
| 02:09.16 | lfs | UR welcome |
| 02:09.33 | karsten | rrk: Sometimes adding /dev/cheese helps lure in /dev/mouse |
| 02:09.44 | alexbodn | i can't fire icedove and i'll lose the deity email :) |
| 02:10.15 | abrotman | copy the text .. put it in another editor ? |
| 02:11.48 | lfs | I installed lilo in a root window, and debconfig came up and asks for OK. So how to undo the whole thing? |
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| 02:12.07 | lfs | apt-get remove lilo doesnt do anything since the package is not installed. |
| 02:12.15 | lfs | Should I just close the window? |
| 02:12.26 | karsten | lfs: Then you don't need to remove the package. |
| 02:12.43 | karsten | lfs: It's possibly not installed yet but is getting configured. |
| 02:12.45 | lfs | SO just close the window and forget about it? |
| 02:12.46 | twisted` | thanks a lot ya'll, I'll be bbl... gonna catch some sleep :) |
| 02:12.48 | rrk | alexbodn link is in changed xorg.conf still don't work |
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| 02:12.54 | karsten | lfs: You'll also have to restore the bootloader if it's been modified. |
| 02:13.32 | karsten | lfs: I'd go ahead and complete the install. 'lilo -u' IIRC is uninstall LILO (the bootloader, not the package, from your MBR). Then install GRUB or whatever. |
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| 02:13.44 | alexbodn | rrk: i'm in bad shape. it's 05:13 here |
| 02:13.55 | alexbodn | we may meet later |
| 02:13.56 | lfs | The window asks to run /sbin/lilo, I dont want to do that. |
| 02:13.57 | rrk | ok i understand |
| 02:14.10 | rrk | good night or good morning thanks |
| 02:14.15 | alexbodn | abrotman, rrk: bye and thanks a lot |
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| 02:14.39 | lfs | I dont want to go ahead and complete the install, bad idea. |
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| 02:14.59 | rxKaffee | with a fresh etch install, there's no need to update any package lists or such, before I start installing programs, is there? |
| 02:15.22 | karsten | lfs: You're in better shape if you let that happen than if you don't, IMO. |
| 02:15.29 | cafuego | rxKaffee: Yes, there is. |
| 02:15.37 | karsten | lfs: But if you insist: kill the window and the install should quit. |
| 02:15.45 | cafuego | rxKaffee: You should at least add security.debian.org to the repos and run an update. |
| 02:16.01 | rxKaffee | cafuego: can you point me towards some literature please? |
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| 02:16.46 | rxKaffee | I just got dropped into an etch powered vps, and found that my `emerge --sync` didn't work ;P |
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| 02:17.06 | cafuego | !sources.list |
| 02:17.06 | dpkg | [sources.list] something like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free" where cc is your country code. see <mirrors>, /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list. also see <etch security>, or run "apt-get update" after editing sources.list in order to refresh your database |
| 02:17.12 | rxKaffee | awesome to the max |
| 02:17.15 | rxKaffee | thanks cafuego |
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| 02:17.27 | cafuego | it's /etc/apt/sources.list, btw |
| 02:17.49 | lfs | closing the window worked. apt-get upgrade didnt try to install it. |
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| 02:19.08 | abrotman | !refcard |
| 02:19.08 | dpkg | [refcard] A short reference of Debian commands can be found at http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ and will be quite useful for someone new to Debian. |
| 02:19.30 | damog | yay |
| 02:19.34 | lfs | I want to install grub on a usb memory stick, so when I boot off the stick, I will get the grub boot menu and boot the HDD from it. IS this possible? |
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| 02:20.10 | rxKaffee | odd, my sources.list has repos for testing rather for etch... |
| 02:20.18 | karsten | lfs: If your system supports booting from USB, should work. |
| 02:20.32 | lfs | I am having a hell of a time doing it. |
| 02:20.34 | abrotman | rxKaffee: that's not good |
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| 02:22.37 | EdLin | rxKaffee: what was the name and source of the iso you downloaded? |
| 02:22.41 | lfs | Does the kernel need to be on the device that is booting? |
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| 02:23.15 | Justin | lfs: no |
| 02:23.19 | rxKaffee | EdLim: I'm not sure, it was pre-installed on the vpslink account |
| 02:23.31 | EdLin | !d-i rxKaffee |
| 02:23.31 | dpkg | rxKaffee, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 02:23.43 | foo | Hmm, for myhostname in postfix... it needs to point to a FQDN that resolves to that server, and not, say, a fqdn that has 3 A records (round robin dns) ... right? |
| 02:23.44 | abrotman | EdLin: i think it's kind of late ? |
| 02:23.46 | EdLin | rxKaffee: you want the first one, probably |
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| 02:24.01 | EdLin | abrotman: well, you can't downgrade... |
| 02:24.06 | abrotman | duh |
| 02:24.12 | abrotman | EdLin: i know this! |
| 02:24.18 | EdLin | abrotman: of course... |
| 02:24.43 | abrotman | he'd have to have his host correct it |
| 02:24.48 | rxKaffee | didn't etch "used to be" testing? |
| 02:24.57 | EdLin | rxKaffee: its stable now. |
| 02:25.00 | rxKaffee | my debian_version is testing/unstable, and kernel is 2.6.9 |
| 02:25.09 | rxKaffee | it could be from an older install |
| 02:25.11 | piztek3 | any help with power off problems at bootup? |
| 02:25.29 | rxKaffee | I'm not sure if they didn't change the kernel version for the virtualization support though |
| 02:25.47 | rxKaffee | is there something else I could use to identify wtf I'm running? |
| 02:26.08 | stew | rxKaffee: what version of libc6 is installed? |
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| 02:28.14 | GhostlyDeath | WhaT DOes "This torrent is not reghistered with it's tracker" mean? |
| 02:28.22 | rxKaffee | looks like version 2.3.6.ds1-4 of libc6 |
| 02:29.05 | stew | rxKaffee: that is an old version of etch, so you are somewhere between oldstable and stable. you should upgrade to stable: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
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| 02:29.38 | rxKaffee | would it be smoother sailing to go from sarge to stable etch? I can easily swap the os out to sarge |
| 02:30.00 | stew | rxKaffee: moving from what you have no should be no different |
| 02:30.11 | rxKaffee | ok cool |
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| 02:35.53 | Decepticon | how do i figure out what runs at startup and how can i do some editing of these startup processes? |
| 02:36.33 | Peppe | Hi, is there someone who can help me for install nvidia driver on debian testing 64bit gnome please? I tried it lots of time :( |
| 02:36.43 | abrotman | look in the /etc/rc?.d/ dirs .. and update-rc.d |
| 02:36.56 | Decepticon | also when i login via ssh and do the command pstree i see a lot of ââ type of characters randomly everywhere |
| 02:37.34 | EdLin | Decepticon: pstree -A |
| 02:38.13 | Peppe | help please? |
| 02:38.35 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 02:38.36 | dpkg | nvidia one-liner is probably apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
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| 02:40.10 | Decepticon | EdLin, the ââ type of characters are also prevalent in other programs i see |
| 02:40.27 | Decepticon | when i run rcconf for instance. the blue box is outlined byââ |
| 02:40.32 | EdLin | Decepticon: you don't have the same character set as an IBM console. |
| 02:40.39 | damog | why use commas as delimiters for regex's sed? |
| 02:40.44 | Decepticon | how do i fix it |
| 02:41.05 | EdLin | Decepticon: what are you ssh'ing with? |
| 02:41.21 | Decepticon | i am using putty (winxP) to ssh into my debian etch box |
| 02:42.00 | abrotman | damog: to avoid / ? |
| 02:42.28 | EdLin | Decepticon: I'm not familiar with putty. I assume it's using latin-mumble as the character set. If it's changeable, change it, otherwise, you'll have to deal with the fact that it can't display that. |
| 02:42.30 | abrotman | dunno why you'd have / in uname -r .. but whatever |
| 02:42.31 | damog | abrotman: That's just not right. It is confusing on any regex. |
| 02:43.00 | damog | abrotman: I mean, it's a recommended practice always use / |
| 02:43.16 | abrotman | oh well .. |
| 02:43.23 | damog | unless you are trying to participate on the obfuscated thing :) |
| 02:43.29 | abrotman | it is sed |
| 02:43.52 | Decepticon | EdLin also ive noticed that when im using vi, i cant seem to go up and down in the file... vi inputs characters (V for left i think D for down) |
| 02:44.04 | Decepticon | i have to be outside of edit mode in order to move about the file |
| 02:44.08 | EdLin | Decepticon: use the jhjkl keys |
| 02:44.10 | damog | abrotman: sed is sad |
| 02:44.27 | EdLin | Decepticon: well, you know what I mean. :-) |
| 02:44.59 | EdLin | Decepticon: if you need to imprint them on your brain, play nethack. ;) |
| 02:45.18 | abrotman | apparently EdLin hasn't been wasting enough time |
| 02:45.33 | Decepticon | ah i found the chracter set settings on putty, EdLin, what do you suggest i set it to |
| 02:45.34 | EdLin | abrotman: you mean I'm not on IRC? |
| 02:45.58 | Decepticon | UTF 8? |
| 02:46.17 | abrotman | EdLin: playing nethack |
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| 02:47.09 | EdLin | abrotman: well, you accused me of not wasting time... While on IRC? :-) |
| 02:47.31 | abrotman | this is productive work! |
| 02:48.00 | EdLin | Decepticon: I don't remember what the official IBM-PC codepage is called. |
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| 02:48.48 | Decepticon | EdLin actually UTF 8 got rid of the ââ |
| 02:48.49 | EdLin | Decepticon: you could also try "linux" if that's available.... |
| 02:49.01 | Decepticon | just a random guess and it worked |
| 02:49.08 | EdLin | Decepticon: great. I do remember something useful is in the lower bits of UTF-8. |
| 02:49.15 | EdLin | Decepticon: now I know. |
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| 02:50.25 | abrotman | and knowing is half the battle! |
| 02:50.27 | abrotman | !gijoe |
| 02:50.29 | abrotman | bah |
| 02:50.49 | abrotman | !gijoe EdLin |
| 02:50.49 | dpkg | Now you know, EdLin, and knowing is half the battle. Yo Joe! |
| 02:51.03 | EdLin | hehe |
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| 02:51.48 | EdLin | brb, again. |
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| 02:54.59 | Peppe | guys help with nvidia driver? I don't know how to install it on testing 64bit...please |
| 02:58.20 | damog | ATI is the shit! |
| 02:58.31 | abrotman | if they stick to their promise |
| 03:00.12 | _Rubyxx | I need help installing the 3D ATI driver.....has anybody done it so far? |
| 03:00.41 | stoned | i love apples |
| 03:00.51 | abrotman | !fglrx one-liner |
| 03:00.51 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, fglrx one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources> |
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| 03:00.56 | stoned | !fglrx |
| 03:00.56 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-debian installation method, or currently not working with xorg > 7.1 . Downgrade xserver-xorg-core to 7.1 for the time being if you are on testing/unstable |
| 03:01.22 | _Rubyxx | damog: Sorry I didn't see your post |
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| 03:01.48 | damog | _Rubyxx: I beg your pardon? |
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| 03:02.00 | _Rubyxx | I am on etch |
| 03:02.27 | abrotman | damog: Why do you build me up buttercup, baby |
| 03:02.55 | _Rubyxx | damog: I mean I didn't see your comment about ATI b4 posting minie |
| 03:03.01 | _Rubyxx | mine |
| 03:04.00 | Spec | How can you extract a specific folder from a tar archive? I only want one out of many folders out of this huge tarball.... |
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| 03:04.08 | damog | _Rubyxx: I'm not followin you |
| 03:04.12 | damog | +g |
| 03:04.26 | Peppe | ok guys I installed nvidia drivers, how can I see if are they working? |
| 03:04.36 | cafuego | Spec: tar xfz tarball folder/path/in/tarball |
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| 03:04.45 | damog | Peppe: Play some Unreal! |
| 03:04.57 | cafuego | Spec: it will only extract paths that match the path parameter |
| 03:05.00 | Peppe | damog: Unreal? what is it? :S |
| 03:05.12 | Spec | i tried that, it just sat there, maybe i'm too impatient |
| 03:05.16 | _Rubyxx | thanks dpkg....My screen went dead after I installed the driver from the ATI website today |
| 03:05.16 | dpkg | gern geschehen, _Rubyxx |
| 03:05.30 | damog | Peppe: A game built to test nvidia drivers. |
| 03:05.33 | cafuego | Spec: yes, it needs to search through th ENTIRE archive |
| 03:05.41 | Decepticon | general question, what packages do i need in order to ./configure make and make install ? |
| 03:05.43 | Peppe | damog: should I install it? |
| 03:05.47 | Spec | ah, so it'll start outputting when it gets to it :p |
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| 03:05.55 | stoned | !b-e |
| 03:05.56 | dpkg | If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to apt-get install build-essential |
| 03:06.00 | damog | Peppe: Not, really, I'm just joking, I meant Unreal Tournament :-) |
| 03:06.05 | damog | !ut |
| 03:06.06 | dpkg | ut is probably Unreal Tournament, a 3D shoot-em-up similar to Quake 3. Which works in linux, both with openGL (xf4+dri,xf3+utah-glx,mesa) and Glide (glide2+device3dfx) , see http://www.lokigames.com for patch, or get GOTY edition. |
| 03:06.14 | Peppe | damog: :P |
| 03:06.23 | Peppe | damog: don't u know how can I do? |
| 03:06.25 | cafuego | Spec: aye |
| 03:06.43 | Spec | ah, there it goes, whee :) |
| 03:06.45 | Spec | thanks |
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| 03:07.03 | jetscreamer | dpkg, ut is really Urban Terror though, urbanterror.net |
| 03:07.03 | dpkg | ...but ut is already something else... |
| 03:07.09 | jetscreamer | dpkg, ut is also really Urban Terror though, urbanterror.net |
| 03:07.10 | dpkg | jetscreamer: okay |
| 03:07.15 | jetscreamer | !ut |
| 03:07.15 | dpkg | [ut] Unreal Tournament, a 3D shoot-em-up similar to Quake 3. Which works in linux, both with openGL (xf4+dri,xf3+utah-glx,mesa) and Glide (glide2+device3dfx) , see http://www.lokigames.com for patch, or get GOTY edition. really Urban Terror though, urbanterror.net |
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| 03:07.30 | zinx | urban terror is UrT or q3ut |
| 03:07.33 | damog | Peppe: I'd say you can see the differente |
| 03:07.34 | zinx | never ut! |
| 03:07.44 | jetscreamer | zinx: n00bie! |
| 03:07.56 | Peppe | damog: no difference :( |
| 03:08.00 | Spec | !ut is <sed> /really Urban Terror though, urbanterror.net/ UT is also Urban Terror, urbanterror.net |
| 03:08.00 | dpkg | ...but ut is already something else... |
| 03:08.10 | Decepticon | general question, what packages do i need in order to ./configure make and make install ? |
| 03:08.10 | Peppe | damog: ah ok no problem it work! |
| 03:08.16 | Peppe | thanks guys |
| 03:08.20 | Spec | Decepticon: build-essentials |
| 03:08.20 | Peppe | good bye |
| 03:08.23 | Peppe | :D |
| 03:08.25 | damog | Peppe: how? |
| 03:08.31 | Spec | err, build-essential* |
| 03:08.45 | Decepticon | alright thanks Spec |
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| 03:09.41 | Spec | so dpkg can't sed? :) |
| 03:09.44 | jetscreamer | dpkg no, ut is Unreal Tournament, a 3D shoot-em-up similar to Quake 3. Which works in linux, both with openGL (xf4+dri,xf3+utah-glx,mesa) and Glide (glide2+device3dfx) , see http://www.lokigames.com for patch, or get GOTY edition. |
| 03:09.44 | dpkg | jetscreamer: okay |
| 03:09.50 | jetscreamer | !ut |
| 03:09.50 | dpkg | somebody said ut was Unreal Tournament, a 3D shoot-em-up similar to Quake 3. Which works in linux, both with openGL (xf4+dri,xf3+utah-glx,mesa) and Glide (glide2+device3dfx) , see http://www.lokigames.com for patch, or get GOTY edition. |
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| 03:10.25 | damog | No, but I think it can do some regex out of the scratch |
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| 03:10.51 | damog | like !ut is !ut =~ s/a/o/g or something :P |
| 03:11.00 | Spec | woot :p |
| 03:11.20 | _Rubyxx | dpkg: kein problem |
| 03:11.33 | jetscreamer | yeh i never got how to do it.. i know you can |
| 03:11.51 | marc7 | where does "linux-kernel-headers" install itself? |
| 03:12.09 | jetscreamer | /usr/src |
| 03:12.13 | jetscreamer | oh wait |
| 03:12.16 | jetscreamer | that's diff |
| 03:12.25 | marc7 | right, that's where i'm looking... it's empty |
| 03:12.28 | jetscreamer | different package than linux-headers |
| 03:12.54 | jetscreamer | sure you don't want linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 03:12.55 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 03:13.02 | marc7 | that sounds about right |
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| 03:13.17 | jetscreamer | aptitude install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 03:13.28 | jetscreamer | they show up in /usr/src |
| 03:13.31 | marc7 | thumbs up, i was trying kernel-headers-`uname -r` |
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| 03:13.45 | marc7 | that might've been a sarge thing |
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| 03:13.53 | jetscreamer | etch vs woody name change...err sarge yeah |
| 03:13.59 | marc7 | thanks jet :) |
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| 03:14.09 | bruno-cassol | anyoneknow how to disable automatic login for debian etch? i'm usig gnome |
| 03:14.32 | abrotman | it's not on by default |
| 03:14.42 | jetscreamer | apt-get remove --purge gdm bruno-cassol |
| 03:14.56 | abrotman | that's not autologin |
| 03:14.58 | jetscreamer | if you mean you don't want xorg to autostart |
| 03:15.17 | jetscreamer | edit the gdm.conf to disable what you said though |
| 03:15.31 | liable | !gdmsetup |
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| 03:15.38 | liable | foooey |
| 03:15.56 | jetscreamer | you can reach it from the login windows |
| 03:15.59 | jetscreamer | window |
| 03:16.05 | bruno-cassol | before enetring gnome i configured my session and changed it to auto login... what i really wanted was a delayed login |
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| 03:16.41 | jetscreamer | setup in the gdm menu or you can config it from the gnome system properties thing |
| 03:16.56 | jetscreamer | administarive i think |
| 03:17.00 | jetscreamer | the middle one |
| 03:17.19 | jetscreamer | trative |
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| 03:19.01 | marc7 | arg! what's checkinstall been renamed to? |
| 03:19.05 | Cycne | I'll soon find out |
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| 03:19.17 | stew | marc7: it hasn't been renamed |
| 03:19.22 | jetscreamer | i think you have to install checkinstall |
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| 03:19.32 | marc7 | E: Couldn't find package checkinstall |
| 03:19.32 | jetscreamer | but your path isn't the same as root's |
| 03:19.40 | bruno-cassol | thank you guys... "sudo gedit /etc/gdm/gdm.conf" solved it |
| 03:19.41 | stew | marc7: it was removed from etch before etch released |
| 03:19.44 | Jmax | so uh, how do I set up a catch all in exim4? |
| 03:19.46 | jetscreamer | !find checkinstall |
| 03:19.49 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 03:19.51 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 03:19.53 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'checkinstall' (1): (/etc/checkinstallrc, /usr/bin/checkinstall, /usr/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/checkinstall.mo) in admin/checkinstall. |
| 03:20.13 | stew | marc7: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 03:21.41 | marc7 | that sounds like it lacks the necessary elements of a fun friday night... |
| 03:21.41 | lontra | anyone know how i can remove the 3 default icons on my gnome desktop? i can't right click and delete them ... |
| 03:21.41 | rxKaffee | is this sources line right? deb http://ftp.us.debian.org etch main contrib non-free |
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| 03:21.42 | jetscreamer | in the personallize thing |
| 03:21.42 | rxKaffee | I'm getting a "Couldn't stat source package list" error when I apt-get update |
| 03:21.42 | Jmax | i tried http://rafb.net/p/ygWKzr69.html |
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| 03:21.51 | jetscreamer | fix your sources or fix your internet |
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| 03:22.28 | jetscreamer | rxKaffee: no, add /debian after the .com iirc |
| 03:22.36 | jetscreamer | err .org |
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| 03:23.20 | jetscreamer | #deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 03:24.49 | rxKaffee | thanks jetscreamer :) |
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| 03:25.09 | rxKaffee | is there also something in sources.list to fix these NO_PUBKEY errors? |
| 03:25.18 | jetscreamer | !etch key |
| 03:25.18 | dpkg | # apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-get update |
| 03:25.49 | jetscreamer | then apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 03:25.57 | jetscreamer | make all that aptitude not apt-get |
| 03:26.12 | Jmax | why aptitude? |
| 03:26.32 | jetscreamer | cuz i'm tired of hearing ppl bitch |
| 03:26.40 | jetscreamer | !dselect |
| 03:26.40 | dpkg | dselect is, like, a wonderful UI for package management. or really more powerful than apt-get or the only thing that provides FULL data when making decisions on whether to install a package. most people should not hate dselect but some seem to have been told to. just read the help screens, or <Ozzie> is there a dselect howto? - Yes there is: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/dselect-beginner Also ask me about aptitude. see fix-unmet |
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| 03:26.47 | jetscreamer | dselect > * |
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| 03:26.53 | jetscreamer | but the ui sucks |
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| 03:27.25 | citral | meh, apt is fine. |
| 03:27.40 | jetscreamer | aptitude uninstalls stuff better than apt-get |
| 03:27.45 | jetscreamer | or so they say |
| 03:28.06 | bink | as long as you aren't using rpm... |
| 03:28.10 | bink | :) |
| 03:28.11 | jetscreamer | i believe it, i've never used aptitude though, after i tried it when it came into sid |
| 03:28.25 | citral | rpm causes cancer |
| 03:28.32 | Sweetandy | yum? |
| 03:28.40 | bink | yuck |
| 03:28.43 | lontra | citral: damn ... really? |
| 03:29.00 | jetscreamer | yum is fine, for centos |
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| 03:29.46 | bink | You know, apt + Solaris would be an interesting combination. |
| 03:29.59 | jetscreamer | i've used apt-get on suse |
| 03:30.04 | jetscreamer | worked fine |
| 03:30.15 | jetscreamer | sources are kinda scarce though i think |
| 03:31.17 | bink | Yeah, that's tha main difference between distributions in my mind. Stability of available sources. |
| 03:31.21 | cwheeler | !kernel source |
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| 03:31.30 | bink | *the |
| 03:31.30 | citral | yeah lot of people say apt scrambles suse but I found it to work too |
| 03:31.38 | jetscreamer | linux-source |
| 03:31.46 | cwheeler | !linux-source |
| 03:31.50 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search linux-source |
| 03:31.55 | jetscreamer | !k-p |
| 03:31.59 | jetscreamer | !kp |
| 03:31.59 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
| 03:32.14 | cwheeler | i'm trying to figure out what the kernel source upgrade did and what i have to do |
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| 03:32.17 | Spec | !kp mantra |
| 03:32.17 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. Add MAKEFLAGS="HOSTCC=gcc-3.3 CC=gcc-3.3" before each command if you're building an older kernel |
| 03:32.20 | jetscreamer | make that s/kernel-linux-/ |
| 03:32.26 | lfs | Dont worry about it |
| 03:32.28 | jetscreamer | err |
| 03:32.35 | jetscreamer | make that s/kernel-/linux-/ |
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| 03:34.48 | bink | Does anyone know where the debian build system is documented? |
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| 03:35.28 | citral | bink: build what ? |
| 03:35.48 | Thor | the GCC compiler I received from apt-get install gcc works on very litle |
| 03:35.54 | PF | I just install debian 4.0 on my HP ze5375 notebook. The installation CD detected the built-in wireless card and I configured it with a SSID and passphrase. Now, after the installation and first boot up, the wireless card doesn't configure as it did during the initial installation. Is there a bug in the wlan config? |
| 03:36.01 | bink | citral: everything |
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| 03:36.30 | Thor | I have tried to compile several packages and it failes with errors I do not understand, and several python programs I have tried to python setup.py builddo not build and complain about gcc |
| 03:37.41 | citral | bink: well, there is no real "debian build system", there are debian ways to compile the kernel and packages if that's what you mean |
| 03:38.31 | bink | citral: Isn't there some system that builds sources for all of the different arch's and tracks failed/working builds? |
| 03:39.10 | damog | Thor: Install build-essential, that might be the problem |
| 03:39.36 | Thor | thanks damog |
| 03:39.42 | Thor | I completely forgot about that |
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| 03:40.19 | citral | I don't know much about that, ask in #debian-devel maybe |
| 03:40.28 | bink | citral: thanks |
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| 03:40.50 | rxKaffee | thanks alot guys looks like its on the fast track to being stable distro now |
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| 03:41.57 | damog | rxKaffee: what exactly? |
| 03:42.32 | citral | I begun with woody, it has always been stable since |
| 03:42.58 | damog | yeah, i also started with woody |
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| 03:43.46 | Sweetandy | "asdf" |
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| 03:44.26 | rxKaffee | damog: pre-release etch, on it sway to stable |
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| 03:45.25 | damog | rxKaffee: Etch has been already released as stable |
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| 03:46.37 | rxKaffee | damog: yea. thats why etch>stable was an upgrade and not a downgrade ;) I had a pre-release version of etch installed |
| 03:47.31 | damog | rxKaffee: ah! nice :) |
| 03:47.38 | Jmax | sorry to repeat myself, but does anyone know why this exim config would cause a failure to catch all? http://rafb.net/p/ygWKzr69.html |
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| 03:48.05 | Thor | damog: should I apt-get remove and install gcc after getting build-essential? |
| 03:48.18 | Sweetandy | My friend uses Frontpage on our server, but this means that I can't update the pages or modify the index to our site in any way. Why is Frontpage evil? |
| 03:49.17 | _Rubyxx | dpkg: that script at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver seems potentially dangerous....a faulty installation could mean system wipe-out....Has anyone tried it? |
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| 03:50.58 | rxKaffee | well apparently something went wrong with the upgrade, the vps isn't responding to ssh now :/ |
| 03:51.05 | rxKaffee | just rebooted it |
| 03:52.11 | _Rubyxx | It seems to me they went a bit Spartan with some frills are missing now |
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| 03:52.20 | _Rubyxx | with etch |
| 03:53.11 | rxKaffee | is removal of sshd from default runlevel one such frill? |
| 03:54.00 | Thor | damog: are there any tools such as build essential required for python |
| 03:54.16 | _Rubyxx | well I am not that advanced...I was thinking of some of the xchat colors and options that are gone now |
| 03:54.25 | Thor | now normal software is compiling but python based stuff gives the same gcc error |
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| 03:55.16 | rxKaffee | huh, a second forced reboot seemed to bring ssh back online :D |
| 03:55.39 | damog | Thor: what error? |
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| 03:56.40 | Jmax | is there anything I have to do to register a configuration file with Exim4 besides put it in the appropriate /etc/exim4/conf.d/ dir? |
| 03:56.41 | Thor | damog: http://pastebin.ca/490637 |
| 03:57.38 | windowwasher | why is synaptic telling me that to install gtkpod, i must remove rhythmbox? it only tells me when i try to select gtkpod for installation, not from the panels. Why would installation of one require removal of the other? |
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| 03:59.23 | en1gma | what is the correct command to add a dns name server in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:59.36 | en1gma | i think i got the wrong one "dns-nameserver" isnt it is it |
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| 04:00.08 | infernal_jesus | en1gma: you edit resolv.conf I believe |
| 04:00.16 | windowwasher | en1gma - wouldn't you just add it to /etc/resolv.conf and restart bind? |
| 04:00.41 | en1gma | i cant add it in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 04:01.02 | en1gma | i mean if we are talking proper files /etc/network/interface isnt even correct either right |
| 04:01.22 | windowwasher | does one need to restart bind? i usally do, but something told me that it reads resolv.conf when it wants to know a nameserver |
| 04:01.52 | damog | Thor: You are probably missing python-dev |
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| 04:06.32 | dutchfish | i did a stupid thing, i update sarge->etch up to dist-upgrade, but forgot to install the new kernel, i tried to reboot, of coarse this didnt work because hotplug was already removed and i am stil left with the old sarge kernel, i have remote console access, can i solve this and how? |
| 04:07.24 | infernal_jesus | dutchfish: edit the bootloader |
| 04:07.31 | infernal_jesus | to load the bzImage of the old kernel |
| 04:07.35 | infernal_jesus | to boot into the old kernel |
| 04:07.48 | dutchfish | infernal_jesus, you mean grub line? |
| 04:07.54 | infernal_jesus | dutchfish: yes |
| 04:08.07 | infernal_jesus | dutchfish: you have the old bzImage stored still ,right? |
| 04:08.17 | dutchfish | infernal_jesus, i think so yes |
| 04:09.14 | dutchfish | infernal_jesus, is this something like kernel=/path/bzImage ? |
| 04:09.18 | Sweetandy | Is there *any* good FLOSS video-editing software? |
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| 04:09.21 | infernal_jesus | dutchfish: add it in there and it should boot from it |
| 04:09.37 | infernal_jesus | dutchfish: I think so yes, I use lilo so I don't know for sure |
| 04:09.59 | dutchfish | infernal_jesus, or linux=blagdiblah |
| 04:10.20 | infernal_jesus | dutchfish: is the symbolic link (linux) for the old kernel still there? |
| 04:10.32 | en1gma | is there a debian install script for nvidias official binary driver |
| 04:10.36 | dutchfish | infernal_jesus, nope |
| 04:11.09 | infernal_jesus | dutchfish: you need to create it again |
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| 04:11.11 | spacefrog | Will Linux support a PCI Parallel Port card? |
| 04:11.40 | dutchfish | infernal_jesus, i can take this out a simular machine from /boot/grub/menu.lst? |
| 04:12.11 | infernal_jesus | dutchfish: needs to be tha same HDD name, like hda1 or whatever, and the same fstab |
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| 04:12.37 | dutchfish | infernal_jesus, i cant reach fstab atm |
| 04:12.53 | infernal_jesus | dutchfish: http://www.geocities.com/epark/linux/grub.conf.txt |
| 04:13.02 | dutchfish | infernal_jesus, thx |
| 04:13.02 | infernal_jesus | That's some example |
| 04:13.14 | infernal_jesus | there you need to replace the vmlinuz of the old kernel |
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| 04:13.21 | infernal_jesus | and boot= |
| 04:13.33 | infernal_jesus | dutchfish: and initrd |
| 04:13.46 | dutchfish | infernal_jesus, so bassically kernel and initrd-image |
| 04:14.05 | infernal_jesus | dutchfish: and create the linux symbolic link in /usr/src |
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| 04:15.09 | dutchfish | infernal_jesus, i dont understand create symlink in /usr/src why? |
| 04:15.20 | infernal_jesus | dutchfish: umm wasn't there one before? |
| 04:15.27 | dutchfish | infernal_jesus, nope |
| 04:15.28 | infernal_jesus | but I guess you don't need it |
| 04:15.35 | infernal_jesus | just to boot into the kernel and install a new one |
| 04:15.39 | dutchfish | infernal_jesus, k |
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| 04:17.23 | dutchfish | infernal_jesus, it worked, thx! |
| 04:17.44 | infernal_jesus | dutchfish: your welcome :) |
| 04:17.52 | infernal_jesus | *you're :P |
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| 04:19.26 | rhypha | hi! asl? |
| 04:19.51 | dutchfish | infernal_jesus, the moral of this story rtfm .... oh well .... |
| 04:20.49 | infernal_jesus | dutchfish: haha, there's a manual regarding this? |
| 04:21.01 | infernal_jesus | oh.. you're ok with compiling the new kernel? :P |
| 04:21.14 | dutchfish | infernal_jesus, now o know: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
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| 04:22.01 | infernal_jesus | dutchfish: oh ok |
| 04:22.03 | infernal_jesus | :) |
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| 04:22.10 | alaya_ | yesterday someone gave a command to grep sources list and run awk against it |
| 04:22.11 | dutchfish | :) |
| 04:22.25 | alaya_ | does anyone know what it was? |
| 04:22.35 | gonzaloaf | the last kernel release is 2.6.18 for testring? |
| 04:22.41 | gonzaloaf | teting* |
| 04:22.47 | gonzaloaf | testing* |
| 04:22.50 | infernal_jesus | gonzaloaf: latest stable is 2.6.20.8 |
| 04:22.52 | infernal_jesus | O believe |
| 04:22.53 | infernal_jesus | *I |
| 04:23.07 | gonzaloaf | why I just see 2.6.18 ? |
| 04:23.15 | dutchfish | 2.6.20-9 if it already made to upstream |
| 04:23.18 | gonzaloaf | my sources point to testing |
| 04:23.19 | infernal_jesus | oh wait |
| 04:23.28 | infernal_jesus | latest stavle ios 2.6.21.1 :) |
| 04:23.40 | infernal_jesus | *stable |
| 04:23.49 | infernal_jesus | but there's an 2.6.22-rc1 |
| 04:23.52 | dutchfish | for stable 2.6.18-4 |
| 04:24.06 | infernal_jesus | gonzaloaf: where do you see that? |
| 04:24.20 | dutchfish | bjorn.haxx.se/debian |
| 04:24.36 | gonzaloaf | infernal_jesus, /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:24.38 | dutchfish | for testing release |
| 04:24.49 | lontra | which player is more versatile and full functional ... mplayer or vlc? |
| 04:25.00 | infernal_jesus | gonzaloaf: why don't you just compile a new kernel yourself? |
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| 04:26.25 | gonzaloaf | how do I see what version I'm running? I just turned my pc yesterday, it was off since 3 months ago... I upgraded all pkgs but it seems to be etch |
| 04:26.29 | dutchfish | infernal_jesus, you wont get it running in unstable because of the new gcc, glibc, libc6 with all the bugs |
| 04:26.49 | infernal_jesus | dutchfish: in unstable what? :P |
| 04:26.51 | infernal_jesus | debian? :P |
| 04:27.01 | gonzaloaf | infernal_jesus, why would I compile a new kernel if we have many images around here? |
| 04:27.03 | dutchfish | infernal_jesus, the latest vanilla kernel |
| 04:27.24 | infernal_jesus | dutchfish: ah.. that's why I compile only stable kernels :) |
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| 04:28.16 | dutchfish | infernal_jesus, i only ake custom kernels for special needs, the debian package do nicely 99% of the time |
| 04:28.54 | windowwasher | i've upgraded to lenny & now the palm won't update; it's a usb device -- did etch & lenny differ in the USB connection scheme? |
| 04:29.05 | lepton | gonzaloaf: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 04:29.41 | windowwasher | my old /dev/ttyUSB0 no longer gets generated.... bleh |
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| 04:30.53 | dutchfish | windowwasher, did you use hotplug? |
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| 04:31.08 | windowwasher | dutchfish - i think so. |
| 04:31.17 | dutchfish | windowwasher, thats gone now |
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| 04:31.22 | windowwasher | dutchfish,arg |
| 04:31.34 | dutchfish | windowwasher, its udev that makes the mess now |
| 04:31.46 | windowwasher | dutchfish, i see a bunch of usbdev1.* stuff in /dev/ |
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| 04:32.22 | rob3r | good nigth. Something have instaled debian on a hp pavilion laptop? |
| 04:32.23 | windowwasher | dutchfish, it's quite a mess.... |
| 04:32.29 | dutchfish | windowwasher, prolly made by udev, you should delve into it |
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| 04:33.54 | bruno-cassol | how do i get a menu like this on debian etch: http://www.gnome-look.org/CONTENT/content-pre1/13548-1.jpg |
| 04:34.14 | rob3r | i have instaled, but when run the system, the laptop is freeze |
| 04:34.31 | infernal_jesus | bruno-cassol: I believe the murrine engine has an option for that |
| 04:34.37 | dutchfish | bruno-cassol, looks like osx |
| 04:35.21 | infernal_jesus | bruno-cassol: download the murrine engine, and make the bottom bar relative, and increase the icon size, so as you add them it will look like that |
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| 04:37.27 | Azar | hello honorables |
| 04:37.59 | Azar | fun for free: http://img.worsethanfailure.com/Images/200705/error'd/secrets.jpg |
| 04:39.03 | nhuisman2 | ur link is broken |
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| 04:39.15 | nhuisman2 | oh nm |
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| 04:42.12 | Azar | Using netselect-apt - Tip to select the fastest Debian mirror : http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2007/05/using-netselect-apt-tip-to-select.html |
| 04:42.57 | windowwasher | if i read the conf files right, udev determines the /dev/ file to create based on the vendor string in the usb conection query. |
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| 04:43.30 | windowwasher | ...my tungsten delivers no line calling itself a tty type |
| 04:43.44 | windowwasher | ..er, make that a Palm type of device |
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| 04:45.41 | gonzaloaf | hi, whats the name of the pkg of the last kernel? |
| 04:46.13 | Azar | gonzaloaf: kernels have no names, just numbers... you mean "last Debian version" name? |
| 04:46.21 | gonzaloaf | of course |
| 04:46.46 | gonzaloaf | linux-image-686 ? |
| 04:46.50 | Azar | Debian 4.0 (stable) is Etch, Debian (testing) is Lenny, Debian (unstable) is Sid |
| 04:47.46 | Azar | gonzaloaf: apt-cache search linux-image << pick from the list the one that matches your cpu architecture for the 2.6.18 kernel that is the stable for Etch |
| 04:47.50 | gonzaloaf | Azar, I mean the name of the pkg |
| 04:48.00 | gonzaloaf | of the last kernel |
| 04:48.13 | Azar | do that command you will see, last kernel is 2.6.18 in Etch |
| 04:48.18 | Caelum | how do I recursively compare timestamps on files in two directories? |
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| 04:49.40 | Caelum | I guess I can just a shell one liner |
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| 04:51.38 | dutchfish | Caelum, http://unix.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/HP-UX-Admin/2004-06/0050.html |
| 04:52.14 | gonzaloaf | Whats then name of the pkg of the last debian kernel ? |
| 04:52.46 | Caelum | dutchfish: interesting, thank you |
| 04:52.58 | Caelum | gonzaloaf: apt-cache search linux-image |
| 04:54.05 | dutchfish | gonzaloaf, http://packages.debian.org/unstable/devel/linux-tree-2.6.20 |
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| 04:56.13 | Olorin2 | I have a user who claims that pico / nano won't display non english, but still part of the latin alphabet, characters correctly in Stable with en_US.UTF-8. |
| 04:57.08 | bruno-cassol | anyone know if kxdocker work on gnome?? |
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| 05:11.15 | Sazpaimon | where is cron's log located |
| 05:11.21 | Sazpaimon | i dont see a /var/log/cron |
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| 05:15.44 | dondelelcaro | Sazpaimon: cron doesn't have a log per se; you can see what it's doing by looking at /var/log/auth.log, though. |
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| 05:17.53 | Sazpaimon | May 15 11:25:51 u15254048 sshd[23055]: reverse mapping checking getaddrinfo for italinox.romwest.ro failed - POSSIBLE BREAK-IN ATTEMPT! |
| 05:18.02 | Sazpaimon | someone seems to be having fun |
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| 05:20.22 | zl2tod | Sazpaimon, denyhosts is useful for keeping that stuff under control |
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| 05:20.43 | Sazpaimon | indeed |
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| 05:23.05 | basanta | can manually run cfdisk but my gui installer can't call it , any idea ? |
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| 05:24.15 | alaya_ | yesterday someone gave a command to read sources list and run awk against it |
| 05:24.17 | alaya_ | does anyone know what it was? |
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| 05:27.22 | peterS | alaya_: eh? "awk ... /etc/apt/sources.list" where ... is the awk command you care about |
| 05:27.35 | peterS | I have no idea what you want to accomplish with awk, so I can't be more specific |
| 05:29.45 | alaya_ | it returned the release name from sources.list |
| 05:29.56 | alaya_ | e.g. testing, stable, etc. |
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| 05:30.53 | litage | if a module is in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist , why would an attempt to load it be made when booting?: FATAL: Error inserting i8xx_tco (/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/kernel/drivers/char/watchdog/i8xx_tco.ko): No such device |
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| 05:31.04 | en1gma | sup all |
| 05:31.14 | en1gma | does anyone know if you can do msn on irc |
| 05:31.29 | peterS | msn and irc are completely separate technologies |
| 05:31.35 | peterS | I guess what you want is a client that supports both, like gaim |
| 05:31.37 | en1gma | i seen something in windows that was neat but didnt know if you could do it in linux |
| 05:31.40 | en1gma | nooo |
| 05:31.45 | en1gma | peterS you are so wrong |
| 05:31.46 | Olorin2 | bitlbee |
| 05:31.48 | en1gma | they are both irc |
| 05:31.52 | alaya_ | grep '^deb ' /etc/apt/sources.list | <something awk to get the 3rd field> |
| 05:31.53 | peterS | they are _not_ both irc |
| 05:31.59 | en1gma | oh you are crazy |
| 05:32.00 | infernal_jesus | en1gma: no, they are not |
| 05:32.03 | peterS | if they were both irc, it would just be a matter of connecting to the msn irc server |
| 05:32.12 | en1gma | it is with the correct sslk |
| 05:32.14 | en1gma | ssl* |
| 05:32.16 | infernal_jesus | en1gma: they are _very_ different |
| 05:32.21 | en1gma | 1 sec ill show you |
| 05:32.24 | Olorin2 | ? |
| 05:32.26 | peterS | en1gma: so just tell your irc client to connect to the MSN irc server, then, if you are so sure you're right |
| 05:33.13 | peterS | en1gma: if you are right, then this question has nothing to do with Debian - the answer is, use any IRC client you want, and just use the MSN network. |
| 05:33.13 | en1gma | http://burningimage.net/msn/ |
| 05:33.21 | Olorin2 | one's IRC and the other a propietary Instant Messenger service |
| 05:33.23 | unlink | where is the man page for gcj? |
| 05:33.33 | en1gma | peterS dont be sassy and you might actually learn something |
| 05:33.52 | peterS | en1gma: I'm telling you, if you think you are right, then you already know the answer and you shouldn't be asking us here |
| 05:34.05 | en1gma | i was looking for it on linux |
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| 05:34.10 | en1gma | not windows which i did already |
| 05:34.17 | _agn_ | is there anyway i can reset a root pass |
| 05:34.17 | infernal_jesus | en1gma: that doesn't mean they are the same, it's just a plugin for mirc |
| 05:34.19 | en1gma | and dont speak for the channel like you just tried |
| 05:34.22 | peterS | en1gma: if you are right, then you don't need anything special in Linux, just connect to the right server |
| 05:34.25 | _agn_ | even the singel usermode ask for pass |
| 05:34.26 | alaya_ | grep '^deb ' /etc/apt/sources.list | awk '{print $3}' works but i thought they had used a simpler syntax |
| 05:34.30 | _agn_ | *single |
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| 05:34.31 | infernal_jesus | _agn_: yes |
| 05:34.34 | en1gma | peterS come on man |
| 05:34.37 | en1gma | get off my ass |
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| 05:34.45 | _agn_ | infernal_jesus: how ? |
| 05:34.53 | zl2tod | en1gma, played with gaim ? |
| 05:34.58 | peterS | en1gma: get off mine. you don't know what you are talking about. you can either listen to those of us who know something, or you can ignore us and find your own answer |
| 05:35.06 | Olorin2 | didn't I just tell you _how_ IM can be integrated into a IRC client? |
| 05:35.08 | en1gma | yea its cool but i like irc a bit better |
| 05:35.19 | infernal_jesus | _agn_: do you know the old one? |
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| 05:35.25 | _agn_ | yes |
| 05:35.26 | en1gma | Olorin2 i might have missed cause i was getting a link |
| 05:35.32 | _agn_ | can;t login, tahst the problem |
| 05:35.34 | peterS | en1gma: he told you the same thing I told you |
| 05:35.42 | en1gma | which was what |
| 05:35.43 | Olorin2 | en1gma: bitlbee can do what you want. |
| 05:35.52 | en1gma | ohhh ok thanks man |
| 05:35.55 | peterS | en1gma: namely: you have to find a program that can speak multiple protocols (irc and msn). like gaim. or bitlbee as a proxy |
| 05:35.58 | _agn_ | gives a usage login -p blah blah stuff when i inout the username at prompt |
| 05:36.10 | peterS | en1gma: of course, that requires admitting that msn is _not_ irc, which you seem reluctant to do |
| 05:36.28 | infernal_jesus | _agn_: passwd command |
| 05:36.30 | en1gma | messenger uses irc with ssl enctypt |
| 05:36.31 | zl2tod | hmmm ... gpg and md5 errors all over the place ... do we have pwned archive mirrors ? |
| 05:36.39 | _agn_ | infernal_jesus: ? |
| 05:36.46 | peterS | en1gma: that doesn't mean msn is irc. it means the messenger client speaks two protocols. |
| 05:36.47 | infernal_jesus | _agn_: passwd |
| 05:37.11 | en1gma | msn is msn duh its protocal that you keep on saying is different is IRC that is the protocal |
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| 05:37.16 | infernal_jesus | _agn_: su and then passwd |
| 05:37.17 | _agn_ | i can't login dude |
| 05:37.17 | en1gma | so i dont know what you are talking about |
| 05:37.30 | infernal_jesus | _agn_: you just said you know the root password.. |
| 05:37.42 | _agn_ | i know the old root pass |
| 05:37.52 | peterS | en1gma: irc and msn use two different protocols. get that through your head. MSN Messenger may have a plugin to use the IRC protocol in addition to its own protocol. that is all. |
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| 05:37.59 | infernal_jesus | _agn_: how come you can't login? |
| 05:38.01 | _agn_ | but when i try to login it give me a login usage info |
| 05:38.10 | infernal_jesus | _agn_: ? |
| 05:38.15 | _agn_ | usage: login -p ... |
| 05:38.21 | en1gma | messenger just like any other irc CLIENT is still an irc client |
| 05:38.22 | _agn_ | something srewed up |
| 05:38.27 | en1gma | get that through your head |
| 05:38.31 | _agn_ | and the single user mode asks for pass |
| 05:38.32 | infernal_jesus | _agn_: try 'su root' |
| 05:38.38 | _agn_ | and gives the same login usage info |
| 05:38.44 | peterS | en1gma: that may be true, but it _does not_ follow that other IRC clients can speak with the MSN servers, because those are NOT IRC |
| 05:39.02 | _agn_ | how am i supposed to type su roo when i don;t access to a shell ? |
| 05:39.12 | _agn_ | *don't have |
| 05:39.20 | infernal_jesus | _agn_: oh, why didn't you say so :p |
| 05:39.26 | _agn_ | i said that |
| 05:39.38 | en1gma | ok we are both right in our own ways |
| 05:39.40 | infernal_jesus | _agn_: http://www.debianadmin.com/forgot-root-password-or-reset-root-password-in-debian.html |
| 05:39.42 | en1gma | i can settle with that |
| 05:39.43 | peterS | en1gma: you seem confused about the difference between MSN the program and MSN the network. they are not actually the same thing |
| 05:39.43 | _agn_ | its not my sys.. |
| 05:39.49 | infernal_jesus | _agn_: check that :P |
| 05:40.03 | peterS | en1gma: MSN the network has nothing to do with IRC. MSN the program might be able to talk to IRC servers, I do not know |
| 05:40.09 | _agn_ | prolly ask you to login as single user |
| 05:40.20 | _agn_ | doensn;t work if that's the case |
| 05:40.31 | en1gma | yea i was talking about the program |
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| 05:40.41 | en1gma | checking bitbee now brb |
| 05:40.59 | ArkoldThos | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:42.52 | zl2tod | ArkoldThos, /msg dpkg downgrade |
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| 05:43.43 | ArkoldThos | >.< |
| 05:43.47 | ArkoldThos | someone here is using Sid? |
| 05:43.53 | zl2tod | ArkoldThos, you might want to check out the logs to see why/what is crashing ... often you need to configure the video mode |
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| 05:43.53 | peterS | !polls |
| 05:43.53 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 05:44.20 | ArkoldThos | zl2tod, was weird, I used Sid for a year without problems |
| 05:44.35 | ArkoldThos | and a day it just crashed, atm I'm updating to Sid again and see if I can make it work |
| 05:44.49 | ArkoldThos | if I can I will use the console for sometime until the problem get fixed =) |
| 05:45.42 | zl2tod | ArkoldThos, sid breaks X fairly regularly but I haven't seen that in the last couple of months |
| 05:46.24 | ArkoldThos | zl2tod, m'kay, I'll test it again, I will post the logs if I can't fix it with a reconfigure... |
| 05:46.25 | zl2tod | though gnome did go pear shaped for me a while back and now I'm using kde again |
| 05:46.44 | zl2tod | should check to see if it's fixed itself |
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| 05:46.57 | ArkoldThos | Gnome looks ugly :< |
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| 05:49.24 | en1gma | i went into the super user konsole a while ago and changed the scheme and then i saved as default.....now when i open the non-super user konsole it asks for my root password...somehow the super-user konsole over wrote the non-super-user konsole. can i get back to the non-super-user konsole |
| 05:50.37 | peterS | presumably the setting is stored in some file under ~/.kde |
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| 05:50.37 | _agn_ | what does it mean when you see "eth0: entering promiscus mode" during boot when you don;t have a sniffer running on the box ? |
| 05:50.37 | en1gma | k checking thnx |
| 05:50.37 | _agn_ | an ow3nd box ? |
| 05:50.38 | peterS | _agn_: maybe a dhcp server |
| 05:50.38 | en1gma | yes i own3d my own box |
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| 05:50.38 | _agn_ | k |
| 05:51.10 | peterS | I think those need to be promisc because they have to respond to clients that don't know where to send the query. but I'm not certain. |
| 05:51.10 | nhuisman2 | that's why you don't use stupid shit like a super users console. |
| 05:51.19 | nhuisman2 | just su |
| 05:51.39 | peterS | nhuisman2: not a helpful answer, dude. sounds like a bug in the konsole super user mode |
| 05:51.40 | _agn_ | k |
| 05:51.59 | en1gma | nhuisman2 hey now thats bullshit...someone fucked up in the programming |
| 05:52.03 | en1gma | dont take it out on me |
| 05:52.20 | enouf | my konsole settings work fine , for years now .. it's other things that get munged |
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| 05:52.47 | en1gma | save your damn scheme when your in super-user konsole and you will see what happens to non super-user konsole |
| 05:52.50 | peterS | en1gma: as a konsole user maybe you can help en1gma with his super user settings change problem. I haven't used konsole so I can't be sure what he needs to change |
| 05:53.06 | enouf | and what the hell is 'super-user konsole' anyways? |
| 05:53.06 | peterS | enouf: ^^^ |
| 05:53.07 | nhuisman2 | hey en1gma : first result on google, last post http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=67615&sid=ff90849b291862c6183580de84cc5de5 |
| 05:53.26 | enouf | peterS: yep .. lessee |
| 05:53.34 | en1gma | it just happened so i didnt really research yet...wasnt sure if it was cause i have debian-sid or not |
| 05:53.38 | en1gma | but thnx |
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| 05:54.02 | en1gma | all i did is set back ground to transparent-dark and save scheme thats it |
| 05:54.05 | en1gma | nothing else |
| 05:54.12 | Vasistha | en1gma: and then what happened? |
| 05:54.12 | nhuisman2 | read that last entry |
| 05:54.48 | FuzzyB | nhuisman2: do you ever sleep? |
| 05:55.05 | nhuisman2 | i'm in another timezone |
| 05:55.06 | enouf | en1gma: in settings > configure konsole > (3rd tab - Sessions) select the console, then click on each in left dialog and see "Schema" lower right area |
| 05:55.12 | nhuisman2 | it's 7:55pm here |
| 05:55.21 | FuzzyB | i thought you were only in hawaii |
| 05:55.30 | nhuisman2 | yeah hawaii is 7:55 |
| 05:55.32 | FuzzyB | oh |
| 05:55.37 | enouf | en1gma: notice how there's more than a few there .. sort it out |
| 05:55.39 | _agn_ | where does getty call login ? |
| 05:55.44 | _agn_ | i mean which file ? |
| 05:55.46 | FuzzyB | inittab |
| 05:55.51 | _agn_ | k |
| 05:56.38 | enouf | en1gma: IOW, i have only the Root Console entry setup as su -, as login, and that Schema is set differently .. likewise you can do the same for python, screen, shell , etc |
| 05:57.13 | peterS | ah, I didn't realise hawaii was that far west. I would have guessed 8:55 |
| 05:57.32 | FuzzyB | yea i thought it would have only been 8:55 |
| 05:57.35 | peterS | ...wait... no daylight saving time ... yeah, I guess I would have figured 7:55 |
| 05:57.56 | Vasistha | hawaii doesn't observe daylight savings time -- they're always on standard time |
| 05:58.01 | nhuisman2 | yeah but I had been up quite late a few nights in a row |
| 05:58.03 | peterS | right, that's what threw me off |
| 05:58.08 | Vasistha | oh, heh, you were acknowledging that :) |
| 05:58.09 | zl2tod | whereas here it's 5:55pm tomorrow |
| 05:58.13 | alaya_ | is there a way to view xselect history? |
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| 05:58.33 | peterS | zl2tod: NZ? |
| 05:58.37 | zl2tod | yup |
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| 05:58.45 | en1gma | got it with that link thanks |
| 05:58.53 | FuzzyB | cute |
| 05:58.53 | en1gma | glad to see i not the only one l) |
| 05:58.58 | codeyman | has anyone taken libfusefs-ruby for a spin? |
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| 05:59.07 | FuzzyB | that's gotta be close to half way around the world from me |
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| 05:59.22 | peterS | FuzzyB: you're in Europe, then? |
| 05:59.29 | enouf | occassional sid b0rkage? .. nothing new |
| 05:59.29 | nhuisman2 | I have a person I talk to that is completely 12 hours ahead |
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| 05:59.50 | FuzzyB | peterS: Portland, OR |
| 06:00.00 | peterS | nhuisman2: yeah, anyone in western Europe would be you + 12h, at least during the summer |
| 06:00.05 | loafy | is there a ricky clarkson in the house? |
| 06:00.08 | nhuisman2 | austira |
| 06:00.10 | nhuisman2 | austria |
| 06:00.15 | peterS | loafy: haven't seen him here for _ages_ |
| 06:00.23 | loafy | lame |
| 06:00.33 | streuner | !seen ricky_clarkson |
| 06:00.33 | dpkg | ricky_clarkson <n=ricky@unaffiliated/ricky> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 317d 6h 29m 29s ago, saying: 'xserver-xorg is only the server, not all the extra gunk that you'll want.'. |
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| 06:00.40 | loafy | wow, that is ages |
| 06:00.43 | litage | after extracting an initrd, if its etc/ is empty and if ``sudo find . -type f -iname '*i8*tco*' '' returns nothing, is it safe to assume that a certain module (i8xx_tco) isn't being loaded by/in the initrd? |
| 06:00.52 | FuzzyB | !seen Stormy |
| 06:00.52 | dpkg | stormy <n=scott@p3m/member/Stormy> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 278d 8h 51m 21s ago, saying: 'thx'. |
| 06:01.12 | peterS | litage: that's a safe assumption, yeah. it would be in lib/modules/ in the initrd |
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| 06:01.24 | _agn_ | I get 'usage: login -P ...' when i try to login in console. What could be the reason ? |
| 06:01.25 | cafuego | loafy: yeh, his dad got famous and he started ignoring us |
| 06:01.33 | loafy | hahaha really? |
| 06:01.38 | loafy | what's his dad do |
| 06:01.41 | loafy | porn star? |
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| 06:01.53 | enouf | en1gma: fwiw .. mine says DefaultSession=shell.desktop in that file |
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| 06:02.07 | en1gma | yea i just took the su you and it worky now |
| 06:02.08 | en1gma | thanks |
| 06:02.26 | en1gma | you = out |
| 06:02.32 | litage | peterS: if that's the case, and if /etc/discover.conf contains "skip i8xx-tco", why would Etch try to load i8xx-tco when booting? |
| 06:02.50 | nhuisman2 | en1gma, that's exactly what was in the post I gave you... |
| 06:03.07 | enouf | indeed and he said thanks |
| 06:03.08 | en1gma | nhuisman2 yes and thanks man |
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| 06:03.13 | peterS | litage: no doubt udev thinks to load it. you said something about /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist, do you have 'blacklist i8xx-tco' in that file or something? |
| 06:03.15 | nhuisman2 | oh, i thought you didn't read it, nm |
| 06:03.29 | nhuisman2 | kind of silly that i would write that permanently to the file eh |
| 06:03.32 | nhuisman2 | i=it |
| 06:03.40 | en1gma | i read but was to lazzy and didnt read up and get the nic that gave the link...i should have sorry bout that |
| 06:03.47 | litage | peterS: yes: blacklist i8xx_tco |
| 06:03.56 | nhuisman2 | i'm just being an ass, don't worry :P |
| 06:04.03 | litage | peterS: but that only ignores any aliases for the module |
| 06:04.04 | en1gma | nah its kool |
| 06:04.05 | FuzzyB | so suiting |
| 06:04.11 | FuzzyB | :p |
| 06:04.17 | en1gma | lol |
| 06:04.21 | en1gma | SUiting |
| 06:04.24 | en1gma | :) |
| 06:04.34 | peterS | litage: I dunno then - I thought that would remove it from consideration entirely. you could use the alternate syntax 'alias i8xx-tco off' |
| 06:04.41 | eat_life | where do people get their mod-security from ? |
| 06:04.47 | FuzzyB | ur mom |
| 06:05.17 | litage | eat_life: "mod-security" wrt what? apache? |
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| 06:05.23 | eat_life | yes |
| 06:05.24 | cafuego | tssk tssk |
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| 06:06.25 | nhuisman2 | mmm beer |
| 06:06.30 | en1gma | ok sorry but here goes...i have to ask....i want to use the 100.14.03 "Linux x64 (AMD64/EM64T) Display Driver" i know its not avail in the repos yet as a pkg....is it possible to use the same install script with the one that does the 97.55 driver with the newer driver) if i can even get my hands on the script |
| 06:06.48 | FuzzyB | driver for what? |
| 06:06.49 | en1gma | i have a geforce 8800 and want to use beryl more stabily |
| 06:06.50 | nhuisman2 | nvidia? |
| 06:06.57 | en1gma | yep |
| 06:06.58 | litage | eat_life: search apt or packages.debian.org . if in doubt, get it from modsecurity.org |
| 06:07.05 | nhuisman2 | you could just install it with the nvidia .sh installer |
| 06:07.20 | eat_life | litage: mod security has been removed from official repository for awhile now |
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| 06:07.31 | litage | eat_life: (this is with the assumption that mod_security isn't shipped with apache by default) |
| 06:07.42 | en1gma | i was going to try it but the last time i did with kanotix (not with that driver but with another) i had some pretty good problems |
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| 06:07.46 | eat_life | modsecurity.org points to an unofficial pkg from the former maintainer, just wondering if anyone else had other alternatives |
| 06:07.52 | en1gma | those scripts if you can get em are nice |
| 06:08.01 | enouf | yeah mod_security has issues .. saw that on bug reports |
| 06:08.07 | rxKaffee | what package provides inetd to etch? apt-get install inetd didn't seem to do it |
| 06:08.18 | enouf | no idea eat_life |
| 06:08.29 | peterS | rxKaffee: there are multiple implementations in debian, the default being 'openbsd-inetd' |
| 06:08.37 | eat_life | i forget the reason why exactly they removed it, but it's a shame |
| 06:08.42 | enouf | netkit-inetd rxKaffee |
| 06:08.52 | peterS | ugh netkit |
| 06:08.52 | enouf | or that too |
| 06:08.53 | litage | eat_life: care to package it yourself? |
| 06:08.56 | rxKaffee | which would be the least consumptive of ram? |
| 06:09.01 | rxKaffee | hehe, is that a word? |
| 06:09.13 | formorer | modsecurity can't be in debian |
| 06:09.15 | rxKaffee | anyway, which inetd would be likely to use the least ram? |
| 06:09.20 | litage | formorer: why's that? |
| 06:09.27 | peterS | rxKaffee: don't know if that's a word, but we know what you mean. I don't know which inetd uses the least ram |
| 06:09.45 | formorer | litage: its license is incompatible to the apache license |
| 06:10.11 | en1gma | bbiam gonna try nvidias binary |
| 06:10.17 | litage | peterS: i should try putting "alias i8xx-tco off" in the blacklist or in the alias file? |
| 06:10.18 | eat_life | yea.. i figured it was another licensing issue |
| 06:10.38 | streuner | Welcome to 'real' life... |
| 06:10.54 | peterS | litage: I'd use the blacklist file. the actual file doesn't matter, except for your own organisational purpose - modprobe treats all files in that directory equally |
| 06:11.01 | enouf | rxKaffee: comparing apt-cahe show <pkg> reveals --> This package does not have many bugs of netkit-inetd and supports IPv6, |
| 06:11.02 | formorer | that apache modules can't be GPL isn't that new... |
| 06:11.05 | eat_life | the problem is the pkg listed @ modsecurity.org is outdated :| |
| 06:11.07 | litage | peterS: thanks. trying it out |
| 06:11.18 | enouf | rxKaffee: that's from the opebsd-inetd pkg |
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| 06:11.28 | enouf | rxKaffee: er openbsd-inetd pkg |
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| 06:12.14 | Vasistha | litage: someone once recommended to me that it's better to make a blacklist.custom file, so that the debian maintainers can keep control of the file called "blacklist". So I just created a file called /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.custom and I have lines in it like "blacklist irda" ... works great |
| 06:12.36 | litage | Vasistha: ah, that's a great idea. thanks |
| 06:14.17 | rxKaffee | hmm, ok, guess I'll go with openbsd-inetd since it should be less bugg ythen |
| 06:15.19 | enouf | that 'blacklist-ing' doesn't appear to work for things like ipv6, IINM .. ergo , /etc/modutils/aliases, or /etc/modprobe.d/aliases changes are required? .. afaik |
| 06:15.56 | enouf | rxKaffee: wel .. openbsd are known for their networking (and security) ;-) |
| 06:16.04 | peterS | enouf: yeah, find the 'alias net-pf-10 ipv6' line in one of those files and change to 'alias net-pf-10 off' |
| 06:16.21 | enouf | i don't know wher the other on came from, but the openbsd one says it's 'debianized' |
| 06:17.35 | enouf | peterS: righto .. or as liable once pointed out , remove the comment for it from /etc/modutils/aliases |
| 06:17.37 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:18.02 | enouf | top of the file says # Uncomment the network protocols you don't want loaded: |
| 06:19.02 | enouf | IOW, for /modprobe.d/ you'd need to alter ipv6->off, in /modutils/, you'd uncomment that line |
| 06:19.05 | jetscreamer | zomfg! |
| 06:19.25 | enouf | zooma zooma zoom |
| 06:19.39 | jetscreamer | soma... soma... |
| 06:20.18 | enouf | R3dRu/\/\ R3dRu/\/\ R3dRu/\/\ |
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| 06:21.01 | niru | how to upload packages to debian |
| 06:21.06 | niru | I mean upstream |
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| 06:23.03 | marc7 | would anybody argue that running a dpkg -i with --force-all to skip through a bunch of ugly error messages from a rather strange checkinstall procedure is a bad thing? |
| 06:24.06 | macogw | sounds like a bad idea... |
| 06:24.22 | macogw | at least read the messages and see if any of them actually is a really bad problem |
| 06:24.59 | macogw | I have an old (7 years or so...used to have windows ME *shudder*) box here that i'm trying to put etch on because i'd trust debian more as a file server than ubuntu, and it just sits with a purple flashing cursor after i hit ENTER (it says "hit ENTER to boot") with the net install cd |
| 06:25.13 | enouf | votes fugly here .. but that raises a little issue now that i think about it -- are .postrm and .postinst also generated(?) or packaged(?) with .debs ..or is it an apt-get frontend thing? |
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| 06:25.27 | marc7 | it doesn't look like it so far... dpkg -i just has a really hard time overwriting files that belong to other packages... even when the 'make install' would do that anyway |
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| 06:25.42 | zl2tod | enouf, they are in the .deb dpkg -L filename.deb |
| 06:25.44 | macogw | --force-overwrite doesn't help? |
| 06:25.58 | enouf | zl2tod: thanks .. makes sense |
| 06:26.27 | marc7 | macogw: I think I need to pass --force-overwrite to the checkinstall process... because if I don't, it bails out quite terribly |
| 06:26.38 | macogw | so do that |
| 06:26.41 | enouf | zl2tod: so then perhaps placing an exit 0 at top of script might be a better choice for marc7 ? do you think, or it's not possible |
| 06:27.07 | marc7 | i'll try, but apparently my compiler has disappeared from my system |
| 06:27.54 | macogw | you can either do checkinstall, get the errors and then "sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite thing.deb" or "sudo checkinstall --dpkgflags=--force-overwrite" |
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| 06:28.04 | macogw | i tend to do the first because i can actually remember that one |
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| 06:28.12 | macogw | instead of copying and pasting |
| 06:28.57 | marc7 | *nod* I'll try both, when I apt-get remove'd zaptel.. apparently it rm'd gcc and several other files... so I'm trying to figure out how to remove/reinstall the packages without flattening & rebuilding. |
| 06:29.05 | zl2tod | macogw, is it reading from the cd at all ? have you told the bios to boot from cd ? |
| 06:29.12 | marc7 | zaptel, being the package I'm trying to custom-build. |
| 06:29.22 | macogw | yeah it boots the cd and gets to showing the debian splash |
| 06:29.31 | macogw | and then it says "press f1 for help or enter to boot" |
| 06:29.46 | macogw | prints 2 lines of booting stuff when you hit enter, then just has a flashing purple cursor |
| 06:30.19 | zl2tod | ewe |
| 06:30.34 | zl2tod | "booting stuff" ? |
| 06:30.38 | macogw | i'm guessing purple's not the color it intends to print out because the bios splash is WAY the wrong color too...i think it's in 8-bit mode |
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| 06:30.57 | enouf | zl2tod: funny though .. i seem to recall searching through some .debs that (after looking in /var/.../*postinst) there were no such files (postrm/postinst) in the .deb, which led me to think that some pkgs scripts actually generate them on the fly .. perhaps because of the ensuing debconf options, that some pkgs have/use? |
| 06:31.00 | macogw | the two lines that say initializing vmlinuz |
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| 06:31.15 | zl2tod | i remember something about pallette snooping ... reset bios defaults ? |
| 06:31.35 | macogw | pop out the cmos? |
| 06:31.38 | macogw | battery |
| 06:31.42 | macogw | cmos battery |
| 06:32.22 | macogw | it seems like the hard drive isnt being detected by the bios though :-/ |
| 06:32.36 | enouf | not good |
| 06:32.40 | macogw | i tried manually setting it because "auto" shows "none" |
| 06:32.50 | enouf | set BIOS ide to auto? how old is this thing? |
| 06:32.50 | macogw | the hard drive is fine. i just mounted it on this box 20 minutes ago |
| 06:32.56 | enouf | ewww |
| 06:32.59 | macogw | circa 2000 |
| 06:33.09 | enouf | Enabled the Controller in BIOS (BOTH) |
| 06:33.16 | macogw | yeah that was set |
| 06:33.26 | macogw | i hope the mobo's not fscked |
| 06:33.41 | enouf | marc7: do a complete shutdown, pull the ATX cable .. wait 2-3 min and then reverse |
| 06:33.51 | enouf | er macogw |
| 06:33.57 | macogw | enouf: by reverse, do you mean "unpull"? |
| 06:34.05 | enouf | macogw: no silly ;-P |
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| 06:34.12 | enouf | it's just shorhand |
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| 06:34.24 | macogw | i'm kidding |
| 06:34.30 | enouf | wash, rinse, reverse ;-P |
| 06:34.36 | macogw | O_o |
| 06:35.00 | unlink | what's the preferred IMAP mail server for debian? |
| 06:35.20 | Vasistha | !imap |
| 06:35.21 | dpkg | somebody said imap was (rfc2060) a protocol allowing a client to access and manipulate electronic mail messages on a server. It permits manipulation of remote message folders (mailboxes), in a way that is functionally equivalent to local mailboxes. IMAP includes operations for creating, deleting, and renaming mailboxes; checking for new messages; permanently removing messages; searching; and selective fetching of message attributes, texts, and ... |
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| 06:35.22 | macogw | well the comp's been shut down as long as this one's been turned on.... (no kvm switch, no point in getting a kvm switch as i intend to ssh into it if this ever works) |
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| 06:35.42 | litage | peterS: i just found that /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/modules.dep contains "/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/kernel/drivers/char/watchdog/i8xx_tco.ko:". would this cause i8xx_tco to be loaded despite "skip i8xx_tco" existing in /etc/discover.conf ? |
| 06:35.47 | macogw | and only one power cord at the moment (i'll have to correct that one) |
| 06:36.03 | Vasistha | unlink: well, I dunno. I've heard a respected person in here recommend dovecot, but I've also heard others disdain dovecot |
| 06:36.06 | peterS | litage: no, modules.dep lists _all_ available kernel modules, it doesn't cause things to be loaded |
| 06:36.18 | litage | hrmm |
| 06:36.34 | enouf | macogw: check connections, video card and ram especially, and cables, and maybe reseat them |
| 06:36.37 | unlink | Vasistha: courier then maybe? |
| 06:36.53 | litage | why on earth would this box try to load i8xx-tco? this is driving me nuts |
| 06:37.00 | macogw | all 128mb of ram are detected, and the video is onboard |
| 06:37.26 | enouf | macogw: it's certainly possible the cmos area is corrupt and needs resetting (pull battery or try Load Setup defaults) |
| 06:37.58 | Vasistha | unlink: oh, you know what? I haven't heard disdain for dovecot. I mis-read a period as a comma |
| 06:38.08 | macogw | i shouldnt let computers rot for 5 years without testing them once in a while |
| 06:38.32 | Vasistha | "Vasistha: anything but uw-imapd. courier or dovecot usually" -- that was a recommendation for courier or dovecot -- but I read it as a comma, meaning don't use either of them! hah! |
| 06:38.35 | enouf | macogw: heh .. i'm in a simialr quandry myself somewhat |
| 06:38.49 | Vasistha | unlink: well, I'm really glad you came in here and asked -- now I feel more comfortable about running one or more of them myself |
| 06:39.39 | enouf | macogw: here it is-> .. so what are the odds i can access a completely headless computer on my LAN without ever setting it up to be one, nor has it been booted in a few years .. hrm |
| 06:39.49 | marc7 | I'm using courier in a pretty heavy production environment, but would much rather use dovecot due to its ability to invoke triggers when messages are copied into folders... so that I can integrate that with our spam filtration system |
| 06:40.02 | marc7 | one of these days I'll get around to that... |
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| 06:41.01 | Vasistha | !rube goldberg install |
| 06:41.01 | ARfdee | hi friendz |
| 06:41.01 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 06:41.04 | enouf | it's way too much trouble to hook up this proprietary HUGE crt monitor, and other various assundries |
| 06:41.07 | ARfdee | where can i bittorrent latest dvd iso? |
| 06:41.29 | Vasistha | ARfdee: why would you want to do that? why not just use the net installer? |
| 06:41.29 | macogw | i'm hooking up all my peripherals to do it |
| 06:41.50 | macogw | i shut this down, try that one, shut it down, plug this all in, and try to figure out whats wrong |
| 06:42.01 | ARfdee | i am downloadiing it for someone in another country |
| 06:42.08 | macogw | would i set the jumpers to "clear CMOS ram"? |
| 06:42.09 | enouf | ARfdee: /msg dpkg di |
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| 06:42.27 | enouf | macogw: no need, if your pulling the battery |
| 06:42.38 | macogw | still looking for the battery |
| 06:43.21 | zl2tod | if it's been in storage for 5 years you probably want a new battery (if it has one) |
| 06:43.23 | macogw | is it about the size of a nickel? |
| 06:43.31 | marc7 | yep |
| 06:43.34 | macogw | if so, i hate emachines even more |
| 06:43.42 | macogw | it's behind the cd drives |
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| 06:43.55 | macogw | just like the ram |
| 06:44.03 | Vasistha | lame. |
| 06:44.12 | macogw | a lesson in how *not* to arrange things on a mobo |
| 06:44.23 | Vasistha | or in a case, anyway |
| 06:44.47 | enouf | macogw: erm .. atleast on my circa 2000 boxen .. the jumper has 3 postions and 3 pins, pins 1/2 shunted == regular mode, pins 2/3 == maintenance mode , and no jumper at all means entirely clear it, and reflash with floppy on;ly, no monitor |
| 06:44.48 | macogw | ok yeah that too |
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| 06:45.06 | marc7 | when the goal is to mass produce a shitty computer in as tight an enclosure for as little money as possible with the understanding that someone's going to scrap your computer in a year or two anyway... eMachines is A+ / #1 |
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| 06:45.31 | macogw | enouf: mine says 1/2 keeps settings and 2/3 will clear settings and gives no info about what no-jumper does |
| 06:45.36 | ARfdee | this msg from dpkg is confusing |
| 06:45.39 | ARfdee | how do i just get the dvd iso? |
| 06:45.47 | enouf | macogw: find that mobo manual then |
| 06:45.54 | enouf | macogw: very proprietary |
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| 06:46.11 | enouf | !di |
| 06:46.11 | dpkg | Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 06:46.21 | macogw | marc7: who scraps computers after only a year or two? |
| 06:46.27 | macogw | they're too expensive..even cheap ones |
| 06:46.37 | macogw | and they're very environmentally unfriendly to produce |
| 06:46.55 | marc7 | yep. and people keep buying them |
| 06:47.00 | macogw | eesh |
| 06:47.05 | marc7 | the best buy special. |
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| 06:47.32 | enouf | http://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/ ARfdee .. suggest you read the installation guide as well |
| 06:47.37 | zl2tod | they don't even get to me until they are five years old |
| 06:48.03 | macogw | i've got a p2 and that ex-WinME-now-uh-oh and this home-built celeron d (so that's like 2002 2003?) and a circa 2001 celeron-something-else and my new laptop |
| 06:48.56 | macogw | this 4-ish year old is slower, but not by much, than my less-than-a-year-old lappy |
| 06:49.09 | enouf | macogw: nope winme p2 was 1999/2000 |
| 06:49.29 | macogw | p2 can be 98 too i believe |
| 06:49.32 | enouf | celeron == yikes .. 128kb l2cache |
| 06:49.39 | macogw | it had windows 98 when we got that one |
| 06:49.41 | enouf | macogw: yep .. mine is ;-) |
| 06:50.10 | enouf | macogw: but p4s came out around 2001ish IIRC |
| 06:50.16 | macogw | this celeron is a 3GHz one though. my step-bro may have gotten crappy stuff, but at least he looked for high numbers when he built it |
| 06:50.37 | enouf | oh .. 3 separate .. i read wrong |
| 06:50.44 | macogw | heh |
| 06:50.46 | macogw | there's 5 comps total |
| 06:50.49 | cafuego | Compare that to a 16Mb L2 quad xeon <heh> |
| 06:50.54 | macogw | haha |
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| 06:51.02 | macogw | i kinda wish i still had my digital rainbow |
| 06:51.09 | macogw | i wonder if it could run damn small... |
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| 06:51.55 | macogw | this comp used to feel a lot slower, but wiping windows (with all its anti-virus and viruses and spyware and crap) and installing ubuntu helped that quite a bit |
| 06:52.13 | macogw | my siblings say i can't put linux on the p2 though :( winxp is so horribly slow on it though |
| 06:52.15 | enouf | O,o |
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| 06:52.32 | cafuego | macogw: lxp would be dandy |
| 06:52.38 | marc7 | what do your siblings need other than pidgin and firefox? |
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| 06:52.43 | enouf | Debian on p2 here .. purrfect |
| 06:52.59 | macogw | cafuego: still wouldn't support the lexmark printer that's attached to it |
| 06:53.07 | cafuego | no? |
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| 06:53.13 | enouf | huh? |
| 06:53.25 | cafuego | macogw: does linux-printing.org say so? |
| 06:53.28 | macogw | yes |
| 06:53.32 | cafuego | ok then |
| 06:53.40 | macogw | lexmarks have rather bleh support and that model is on the "paperweight" list |
| 06:53.47 | cafuego | I'd probably at least downgrade it to Win98 |
| 06:54.02 | enouf | indeed |
| 06:54.05 | cafuego | Does it at least have 512Mb ram? |
| 06:54.30 | macogw | marc7: no skype video on linux, though i doubt they'd use that box for it. the 2001-ish box would make more sense if it would turn on |
| 06:54.33 | macogw | no |
| 06:54.42 | cafuego | macogw: double ouch |
| 06:54.45 | macogw | it came with 64mb, and we added 128 for a grand total of 192mb |
| 06:54.53 | enouf | i saw a Dell Celery 2.2GHz run slower than molasses, no spyware, but only 128M ram |
| 06:54.56 | enouf | on XP |
| 06:55.11 | cafuego | XP wants 512Mb. If you have less, don't run XP. |
| 06:55.22 | marc7 | it's pretty damn unacceptable to have no great cross-platform videoconferencing platform |
| 06:55.32 | enouf | just get a better printer ;-) |
| 06:55.34 | marc7 | windows/macos/linux/etc |
| 06:55.40 | enouf | Install debian |
| 06:55.41 | macogw | i got my dad to read the error message since my sibs wouldnt do it, and it's just a busted fan (assuming the fan didn't fall off and take the parts that hold it to the mobo with it...that happened to a friend) so shouldn't be a big problem once i get on newegg |
| 06:56.08 | macogw | cafuego: but the 2001-ish one came with xp and 128mb |
| 06:56.13 | macogw | and still has xp and 128mb |
| 06:56.21 | cafuego | macogw: Yeah, yuck. |
| 06:56.27 | shogunx | cafuego, i would put that requirement at two working braincells. if you have more than that, do not run xp. |
| 06:56.31 | cafuego | macogw: That's to keep costs down. Ram cost a lot in 2001. |
| 06:56.40 | macogw | i don't know if the p2 or the one that's 3 years newer runs slower |
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| 06:57.18 | cafuego | macogw: And since it's older, swap performance is probably terrible too... just no-win. |
| 06:57.22 | enouf | i'm not kidding when i say my old tweaked win98 setup ran rings arounf that 2.2 dell with xp |
| 06:57.42 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:57.53 | macogw | i was shocked to find that the p2 is virus-free and rootkit-free, and all it has for "spyware" was a few browser cookies, though. i guess the viruses decided it wasn't worth infecting...or the linksys router's iptables are helpful |
| 06:57.53 | cafuego | Sadly SDRAM costs *way* more than ddr or ddr2 ram these days |
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| 06:58.17 | macogw | cafuego: what? 256mb of pc100 is $30 |
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| 06:58.29 | enouf | macogw: a dialup conn also help keep it ;-) |
| 06:58.31 | zerosan | Hello |
| 06:58.33 | marc7 | seriously though, it's about time everybody adopted h.264 video-conferencing and some common ground... I should be able to chat between hardware video-conferencing phones and gaim/pidgin/adium/trillian... |
| 06:58.42 | cafuego | macogw: Same price as more than twice that size DDR2. |
| 06:58.49 | Vasistha | enouf: win98 runs circles around kde :P except when it falls over and dies |
| 06:59.01 | enouf | Vasistha: yep ;-) |
| 06:59.05 | macogw | enouf: nah it's broadband. i had to install the nic though cuz those apparently weren't around back then or something |
| 06:59.23 | cafuego | 512Mb PC133 (Kingston) is listed at AU$140 here. |
| 06:59.45 | cafuego | For AU$130 you can get 2x1GB of ddr2 (admittedly pc4200, but still) |
| 06:59.48 | Vasistha | enouf: every time I boot win98 -- I did that recently for the first time in a year or so -- I remember, "wow! my computer used to start up pretty quickly, instead of taking 4 minutes to boot!" |
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| 07:00.05 | enouf | ouch .. it's more like 40 for pc100/133 low-density 256M when i've looked |
| 07:00.08 | macogw | cafuego: really? maybe ive been looking at laptop ram too much...no wait it's $80 online for 1gb ddr2 sodimm...it's just if you look in Best Buy that it's $170. ok you're right |
| 07:00.14 | zerosan | I've got a question about the dist-upgrade to Debian Etch, I've got a VServer running at a serverhoster, there's only Debian Sarge 3.1 aviable for it, so I wanted to upgrade, but I had problems with the new Linux-Kernel-Headers, so I reinstalled the system. |
| 07:00.16 | enouf | er 40USD |
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| 07:00.33 | macogw | Vasistha: 4 minutes? |
| 07:00.35 | zerosan | And Now I want to do that step again, how can I bypass the problems with the Linux-Kernel-Headers? |
| 07:00.50 | macogw | oh wait..ok probably how long xp takes on there, but a linux startup should be faster, shouldn't it? |
| 07:00.50 | fireba11 | zerosan: specify problem |
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| 07:00.57 | cafuego | US$40 =~ AU$50; which buyys me 512Mb of PC5300 ddr2 |
| 07:01.05 | cerpin | is there a GPL alternative to apache's lucene search engine? |
| 07:01.13 | enouf | Vasistha: many years of streamlining and registry editing .. oh the glory days .. not! |
| 07:01.16 | zerosan | fireba11, the system doesn't boot anymore when I install new Linux-Kernel-Headers |
| 07:01.16 | Vasistha | macogw: something like that. PII/333 MHz, and I have it set up to auto-login to kde, which is at least half of the "boot time" -- but it means I can turn it on and walk away for five minutes, and come back and I'm ready to go |
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| 07:01.36 | cafuego | At least it's not rdram. |
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| 07:02.09 | fireba11 | zerosan: i doubt that. linux-headers are used for compiling against kernel only |
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| 07:02.42 | macogw | cafuego: at least it's not rambus |
| 07:02.51 | enouf | cafuego: indeed .. heck Mobos are 50$, and HDDs are 50$ .. build a newer faster box is usually the better option .. though it's hard for us to toss older shit that's still working, even though ram is real low .. |
| 07:02.54 | cafuego | macogw: yeh, rdram. |
| 07:02.59 | zerosan | fireba11, steps I do: switching apt-get sources from sarge to etch | # apt-get update | #apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 07:03.20 | macogw | cafuego: oh is that the abbreviation? i feel kinda dumb now.. |
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| 07:03.24 | zerosan | fireba11, after that, reboot, and then the system doesn't boot anymore |
| 07:03.26 | cafuego | macogw: <heh> |
| 07:03.51 | fireba11 | zerosan: you upgrade a lot more than ... tried setting noapic bevore booting ? |
| 07:03.55 | tralala | zerosan, what's your boot loader? |
| 07:04.13 | enouf | cafuego: the PSU and case (and *cough 1337 Video Cards) are the expense , nowadays .. afaict .. like you say even DDR400 is 1GB for ~60USD |
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| 07:04.32 | macogw | i still wanna find a use for my 2.1gb (it says 2.1gb, but it also says 2000.3mb, so uh...boo on that. i like gibibytes!) hard drive |
| 07:04.37 | zerosan | grub I suppose, I didn't had so much control over the server, it's only a vserver, possibly running on virutuzzo |
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| 07:04.53 | macogw | it's left over from an old hp i got in 1997 |
| 07:05.10 | cafuego | enouf: Yeah, tell me about it. |
| 07:05.17 | unlink | why doesn't courier see my new certificate and only offer the automatically generated one (which i removed)? |
| 07:05.21 | cafuego | macogw: wanna swap it for my 400Mb scsi drive? |
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| 07:05.29 | macogw | heh |
| 07:05.34 | cafuego | unlink: you didn't resatrt courier? |
| 07:05.37 | zerosan | fireba11, I don't have so much expierences with that, I don't know what noapic is |
| 07:05.38 | unlink | cafuego: i did |
| 07:05.42 | macogw | we need to find a use for old, tiny, but usable parts |
| 07:05.42 | tralala | zerosan, in that case the machine doesn't actually get restarted and the boot shouldn't be a problem. I've upgraded my vhost to etch without a problem. |
| 07:05.54 | fireba11 | zerosan: on virtuozzo you can't change kernel at all, that's probably your problem |
| 07:05.58 | cafuego | unlink: the correct daemons? |
| 07:05.59 | macogw | can we build old, not-so-tiny-but-tiny-ability computers and find a reason for them to exist? |
| 07:06.06 | zerosan | fireba11, yes |
| 07:06.11 | unlink | cafuego: yes |
| 07:06.19 | cafuego | macogw: I tried, the celeron 500 isn't fast enough to be mythtv. |
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| 07:06.22 | fireba11 | zerosan: taht might actually precvent you crom installinng etch |
| 07:06.23 | ARfdee | hi |
| 07:06.27 | ARfdee | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/bt-dvd/ |
| 07:06.31 | ARfdee | why is it 3 isos? |
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| 07:06.36 | cafuego | unlink: is your mua caching the wrong cert? |
| 07:06.39 | zerosan | fireba11, the server is at strato, they are using a modified version of hspcomplete and virtuzzo for the vservers |
| 07:06.40 | enouf | Vasistha: atleast with debian longer boot times aren't an issue on old hardware, since i hardly have to restart ;-) |
| 07:06.55 | tralala | fireba11, zerosan, I had sarge on virtuozzo and I upgraded to etch absolutely smoothly. |
| 07:06.55 | cafuego | !dstats etch |
| 07:07.01 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on etch... 18601 packages, 1728 maintainers, 41697 MB installed size, 13733 MB compressed size. |
| 07:07.05 | unlink | cafuego: how would that happen? |
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| 07:07.15 | cafuego | ARfdee: ^^ that's why. |
| 07:07.19 | zerosan | tralala, did you do anything specific? |
| 07:07.33 | cafuego | unlink: Some MUAs are naughty (evolution, for instance) |
| 07:07.35 | ARfdee | it's 41 gigs? |
| 07:07.40 | Vasistha | enouf: it's true -- although I actually power down at the end of every day right now -- but I never have to restart midday (well, the other day there was a new kernel :D a good reason to reboot!) |
| 07:07.41 | tuv | it seems like the latest msttcorefonts in testing is causing strange font changes in firefox. anyone else seeing this behaviour? a firefox restart triggered the font changes |
| 07:07.56 | unlink | cafuego: i'm using mutt |
| 07:08.01 | cafuego | ARfdee: 13733Mb compressed - 3 DVDs. That's 18600 apckages *plus* sourc code. |
| 07:08.12 | ARfdee | how do i get just the packages? |
| 07:08.17 | tralala | zerosan, not really, no - dist-upgrade was all. I didn't have to restart because the kernel doesn't get upgraded. |
| 07:08.30 | cafuego | ARfdee: Most people use a few hundred packages. If you have broadband, fetch the netinst iso and use that. |
| 07:08.44 | ARfdee | this is to take to another country |
| 07:08.50 | Vasistha | ARfdee: debian has zillions and zillions of packages. it's the biggest distro in existance. 3 dvd's worth. |
| 07:09.00 | Vasistha | ARfdee: if you want them all, you can actually mail-order them! |
| 07:09.04 | cafuego | ARfdee: Ah, then you'll want at least dvd #1. Possibly all 3. |
| 07:09.07 | zerosan | tralala, it's in the list for the upgrades.... |
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| 07:09.18 | litage | in Etch, is it normal that ide-detect fails to load when booting? from /var/log/boot : FATAL: Module ide_detect not found. |
| 07:09.20 | ARfdee | what's the best/cheapest way to order? |
| 07:09.31 | litage | my /etc/modules contains "ide-detect", but ``sudo updatedb && locate ide-detect'' outputs nothing |
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| 07:09.57 | Vasistha | ARfdee: there's this list: http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/ |
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| 07:10.13 | jetscreamer | maybe it's compiled in? |
| 07:10.17 | jetscreamer | a guess |
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| 07:10.43 | tuv | ARfdee, if you still have a decent internet connection before you go to the other country, you can download the images via torrent and mount them from an external disk. it's fast and convenient. that's what i did when i was in your situation |
| 07:10.44 | litage | jetscreamer: how can i determine if it's compiled in? |
| 07:10.45 | tralala | zerosan, the kernel? |
| 07:10.45 | unlink | if i have tls enabled but not ssl, what exactly gets encrypted? |
| 07:10.57 | Vasistha | ARfdee: we would, of course, recommend buying from someone who allows contributions to debian ;) but those who don't are also listed |
| 07:10.59 | zerosan | tralala, the linux-kernel-headers |
| 07:11.03 | jetscreamer | less /boot/config-whatever, or grep -i |
| 07:11.21 | Vasistha | unlink: tls is just ssl version 3; they changed the name |
| 07:11.22 | tralala | zerosan, this is not related to the boot process at all |
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| 07:11.54 | Vasistha | unlink: so, what *wouldn't* get encrypted, are communications with hosts that have not yet updated to tls |
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| 07:12.07 | unlink | Vasistha: i have the options SSLv2, SSLv3 and TLS1 for TLS_PROTOCOL |
| 07:12.08 | zerosan | tralala, then I will give it another try, if it's going on smoothly I'm happy, if not, I will log on into the recovery console |
| 07:12.32 | unlink | Vasistha: and i can have STARTTLS required without running the ssl imap server |
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| 07:14.10 | litage | jetscreamer: ``grep -i detect /boot/config-$(uname -r)'' doesn't output anything related.. |
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| 07:15.06 | enouf | litage: $ locate ide-generic |
| 07:15.13 | jetscreamer | litage: no idea, just a thought |
| 07:15.19 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 07:15.33 | tralala | zerosan, good luck |
| 07:15.37 | enouf | lsmod | grep ide |
| 07:16.36 | enouf | litage: ide-generic, ide-cd, and ide-disk should be all you need, IINM |
| 07:16.39 | litage | enouf: ``lsmod | grep ide'' lists ide_disk, ide_cd, cdrom, and ide_core |
| 07:17.10 | litage | enouf: and "generic" is also loaded, obviously |
| 07:17.20 | jetscreamer | you don't need generic if you have the chipset specific module do you? |
| 07:17.30 | jetscreamer | aka non-generic |
| 07:17.43 | litage | jetscreamer: no idea.. |
| 07:17.59 | jetscreamer | never made sense to me, but i never checked |
| 07:18.16 | enouf | litage: i also have ide_core --> ide_core 111440 6 usb_storage,ide_generic,ide_disk,ide_cd,piix,generic |
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| 07:20.02 | enouf | the ide_generic is [permanent] .. so i presume also there's ben many changes over tome, as to which modules are which and do what |
| 07:20.03 | litage | enouf: alright, well either way, for some reason one of my newly-upgrade-to-Etch boxes is trying to load ide-detect, but there's no .ko . shall i just remove "ide-detect" from /etc/modules ? |
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| 07:21.00 | enouf | litage: sure.. which kernel is that? 2.6.18-4 from Etch? .. ide-detect sounds like a leftover |
| 07:21.13 | tarzeau | i hate fedora and its non-working yum update |
| 07:21.22 | enouf | litage: you comment it out at first to test ;-) |
| 07:21.23 | litage | enouf: yes |
| 07:21.43 | litage | enouf: (yes to 2.6.18-4-686) |
| 07:21.49 | jetscreamer | centos rocks, tarzeau |
| 07:21.51 | enouf | litage: just add a # in front of that line in /etc/modules |
| 07:21.58 | litage | enouf: yup! gonna give it a try |
| 07:21.58 | cydork | litage: that modules is not present anymore, it seems.. |
| 07:22.04 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: they will get replaced w/ debian (3 boxes) |
| 07:22.07 | litage | thanks guys |
| 07:22.19 | jetscreamer | &uptime |
| 07:22.24 | jetscreamer | zomg |
| 07:22.51 | unlink | what ports need to be opened for an imap server using TLS? |
| 07:22.55 | macogw | tarzeau: yum is sllooowww. which is slower though, yum or yast? at least yum acts like apt in that it only reloads the package list when you say to instead of every time you add a repo..so if you add 3 repos, 3 times) |
| 07:23.02 | jetscreamer | <bottu> I have been running for 5 weeks, 2 days, 13 hours, 7 minutes, and 0 seconds |
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| 07:23.07 | jetscreamer | centos is fine |
| 07:23.14 | streuner | OT |
| 07:23.16 | tarzeau | macogw: yum sucks because you can't tell it which fucking mirror it should use |
| 07:23.24 | jetscreamer | but debian is better of course |
| 07:23.27 | streuner | unlink: nothing in the docs? |
| 07:23.29 | tarzeau | macogw: thus it ends up with non-working mirrors (too much people connected) or crap not updated mirrors |
| 07:23.30 | litage | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:23.36 | zl2tod | unlink, grep imap /etc/services |
| 07:23.37 | jetscreamer | tarzeau: i used apt-get for rpm :p |
| 07:23.41 | jetscreamer | not centos though |
| 07:23.45 | tarzeau | macogw: yum is the biggest fucking crap i've ever seen |
| 07:23.49 | streuner | unlink: /usr/share/doc/<package> |
| 07:23.49 | macogw | yast acts like you "apt-get update"d every time you add a repo (bah!!!!) and i cant seem to find any sort of /etc/yast/sources.list to do it in one config-file-edit instead of individually |
| 07:23.52 | tarzeau | macogw: yast does dependency handling? |
| 07:24.01 | macogw | yeah |
| 07:24.05 | macogw | its just REALLY bad at it |
| 07:24.06 | cafuego | unlink: 993 |
| 07:24.15 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: i don't care, the crap boxes will get debian |
| 07:24.33 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: i will bitch about the shit until the admin replaces them, or he can remove me as admin on that shit |
| 07:24.39 | enouf | litage: leave them be for now .. see what happens rebooting |
| 07:25.00 | unlink | cafuego: i tried 993, but mutt tells me No authenticators available. (where setting the imap server as localhost JustWorks(TM)) |
| 07:25.15 | streuner | unlink: TCP or UDP? |
| 07:25.15 | jetscreamer | tarzeau: [02.24.47] <jetscreamer> but debian is better of course |
| 07:25.20 | unlink | streuner: nope. |
| 07:25.25 | unlink | streuner: how do you mean? |
| 07:25.37 | enouf | litage: see what the comments say in those files? |
| 07:25.42 | streuner | unlink: you want open the port in your hardware-router? |
| 07:25.43 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: of course it is, i just feel better after saying how bullshit fedora is |
| 07:25.48 | unlink | streuner: yes |
| 07:25.55 | enouf | litage: if KERNEL_VER >= 2.4.22 |
| 07:26.00 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: why do they even still waste time on it? and on the people who waste time trying to use fedora? |
| 07:26.00 | enouf | and it is ;-) |
| 07:26.04 | jetscreamer | rh blew imo |
| 07:26.09 | streuner | unlink: well, i have to define them then (TCP or UDP) |
| 07:26.12 | macogw | after i *finally* got a working X server (because adding yast repos cant be done by editing a config file, it requires the GUI...cause of non-working being Novell going "ATI? oh! install fglrx & xgl!" but it was a radeon 9250 which needs the radeon not fglrx driver), i had to spend way too long adding repos (all those reloads) and then when i went to update, it went into dependency hell and declared (1 at a time) that half of the updates couldn't be i |
| 07:26.13 | macogw | nstalled |
| 07:26.14 | litage | enouf: i'm running 2.6.18.4-686 |
| 07:26.21 | enouf | litage: i know |
| 07:26.44 | macogw | from this experience, i conclude that opensuse is evil and will never be installed on any computer i own |
| 07:26.50 | unlink | streuner: is UDP really used here? |
| 07:26.59 | streuner | zerberus:/home/streuner# grep 993 /etc/services |
| 07:27.08 | streuner | imaps 993/tcp # IMAP over SSL |
| 07:27.08 | streuner | imaps 993/udp |
| 07:27.10 | litage | thanks guys |
| 07:27.42 | enouf | litage: i have those same entries and they're not causing issues .. |
| 07:28.25 | litage | enouf: yeah, i just rebooted with "ide-detect" commented out and the "alias ide-probe-mod ide-detect" lines remaining, and everything was peachy |
| 07:28.27 | enouf | litage: if you want to experiment, go ahead .. but be ready to be locked out as well .. (have a working LiveCD handy) |
| 07:28.38 | enouf | litage: exactly ;-) |
| 07:28.41 | jetscreamer | litage take em all out |
| 07:28.49 | litage | jetscreamer: why's that? |
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| 07:28.58 | litage | enouf: LCD! hah i wish ;) got CRTs still |
| 07:29.01 | enouf | jetscreamer: remove /proc .. it's eating way too much disk! |
| 07:30.45 | jetscreamer | i only have a 2tb ramdisk |
| 07:31.14 | jetscreamer | that would be nice though |
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| 07:32.01 | enouf | jetscreamer: use ext4 and max that baby out to 1024pb |
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| 07:33.36 | unlink | streuner: anyhow, i'm not running courier-imap-ssl, i'm running courier-imap, with starttls required |
| 07:33.44 | jetscreamer | i'm using reiser 6 |
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| 07:39.40 | Vasistha | that was an interesting typo ... 'su & exit' ... rather unexpected result of prompting for a password and then just seizing up |
| 07:40.06 | ArkoldThos | someone here uses amaroK at sid? I think I found a bug |
| 07:40.24 | Vasistha | !bugs |
| 07:40.26 | dpkg | error: could not parse |
| 07:40.30 | unlink | streuner: ah, it was 143 |
| 07:40.36 | Vasistha | !bts |
| 07:40.36 | dpkg | i heard bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 07:45.14 | jetscreamer | there are no bugs |
| 07:45.40 | jetscreamer | if you say there are, we will send richard stallman over with his katana |
| 07:46.18 | ArkoldThos | Can someone look at amaroK (Sid) at Media Devices tab and do left click to see the menu (in the context-view box) |
| 07:46.25 | ArkoldThos | here I don't see any menu |
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| 07:47.23 | jetscreamer | ok that's it, he's coming over |
| 07:47.29 | jetscreamer | prepare yourself |
| 07:48.53 | ArkoldThos | jetscreamer, I'm waiting for he :P |
| 07:49.03 | yang | hello, I have specified two Ports in sshd_config, but it refuses to list on both any idea why? |
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| 07:49.24 | marsje | good morning... |
| 07:49.42 | marsje | does anyone know if you have to restart backup-manager after changing the /etc/backup-manager.conf file? |
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| 07:50.19 | marsje | it seems like it ignored the changes I made in the file.. |
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| 07:51.26 | kensho | hi |
| 07:51.27 | Vasistha | yang: this might be helpful... http://www.webhostingresourcekit.com/227.html ... perhaps the prob is that you haven't restarted sshd? |
| 07:51.31 | rrk | anyone up to help with an Etch mouse problem? |
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| 07:52.00 | itai1234 | I'm trying to browse an XP network share . i have smbclient installed. when i run 'connect to server' i get unable to display content. i'm able to access it with XP on VMware |
| 07:52.17 | yang | Vasistha: i have restarted, and on others works normally, just here on this VPS it doesnt |
| 07:52.18 | itai1234 | on Etch |
| 07:52.22 | Vasistha | marsje: I don't know about backup-manager in particular. Some programs will reread the config periodically (like once every ten minutes or once an hour or whatever) and integrate the changes ... some programs don't do a periodic update, and you need to restart them or send a signal |
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| 07:54.12 | wols_ | itai1234: browse with what software? |
| 07:54.29 | itai1234 | wols_, nautilus... |
| 07:54.46 | wols_ | itai1234: have you tried to simply mount the network share? |
| 07:55.34 | itai1234 | wols_, i'm not sure ,how to do that . I can't see it |
| 07:55.36 | wols_ | or smbclient -L <ip>? |
| 07:55.51 | wols_ | do you know the name of the share and its IP? |
| 07:56.00 | wols_ | if yes, it's a simple mount command |
| 07:57.21 | itai1234 | wols_, i know the IP, does 'share' mean the windows' group like 'mshome'? |
| 07:57.43 | itai1234 | or 'share' =folder? |
| 07:57.49 | wols_ | no. the name of the network share |
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| 07:58.02 | itai1234 | (sorry english not my native language) |
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| 07:58.05 | wols_ | every network share has a name, usually the direoctory name |
| 07:58.10 | wols_ | neither is it mine |
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| 07:58.34 | itai1234 | wols_ ok ,in that case i know |
| 07:58.39 | wols_ | mount -t smbfs -ousername=useronwindows //ip/sharename /localdirname |
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| 07:58.58 | wols_ | this wil probably prompt you for a password and after that it's mounted |
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| 07:59.28 | itai1234 | wols_ i will try . however - i could not find this info in man smbclient ,so you know where i can find a tutorial? |
| 07:59.57 | wols_ | mman mount. also the samba howto |
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| 08:00.04 | wols_ | *man mount |
| 08:00.25 | wols_ | small typo: mount -t smbfs -o username=useronwindows //ip/sharename /localdirname |
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| 08:00.36 | wols_ | space between -o and username |
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| 08:03.46 | perlmonkey | mornin guys... got a bit of a challenge.. I need to install deb on a dell optiplex which has no internal cd drive.. it has a floppy drive and an external usb (which I havent been able to boot from).. whats the options? |
| 08:04.34 | streuner | !rube goldberg install |
| 08:04.34 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 08:04.44 | streuner | perlmonkey: /msg dpkg ig |
| 08:04.57 | yang | to move telnetd from port 23 I need to change the telnetd port in /etc/services ? |
| 08:05.12 | streuner | no |
| 08:05.24 | perlmonkey | streuner: thanks |
| 08:05.26 | streuner | /etc/services is just a general text file |
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| 08:05.30 | wols_ | perlmonkey: floppy install, debootstrap |
| 08:05.55 | wols_ | yang: depends how your telnetd is started |
| 08:05.59 | perlmonkey | wols_ can that be done with just 1 floppy? |
| 08:06.02 | yang | wols_: from inetd |
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| 08:06.10 | wols_ | perlmonkey: perlmonkey you need more than one afaik |
| 08:06.14 | streuner | perlmonkey: no |
| 08:06.15 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 08:06.24 | streuner | perlmonkey: it uses 2 at least |
| 08:06.24 | perlmonkey | I only have a couple of disks |
| 08:06.29 | perlmonkey | oh |
| 08:06.50 | wols_ | yes. changing /etc/services should affect /etc/inetd.conf IIRC. of coure you need to restart inetd |
| 08:07.01 | perlmonkey | why can't we boot using usb cd? |
| 08:07.14 | wols_ | perlmonkey: network boot might work too. it's a server, after all, right? |
| 08:07.15 | perlmonkey | with a single floppy i mean as boot loader |
| 08:07.19 | yang | wols_: however i cannot find any settings for "telnetd" in /etc/services only "telnet" |
| 08:07.20 | perlmonkey | yes |
| 08:07.39 | wols_ | perlmonkey: debian can. but if your BIOS can't boot from USB it's not debian's fault |
| 08:07.47 | perlmonkey | oh of course |
| 08:07.59 | wols_ | yang: there is a line for telnet. starting with tenet afaik |
| 08:08.12 | perlmonkey | isnt it possible to make a boot floppy tho and then mount that usb cd and install from there? |
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| 08:08.24 | wols_ | so move the telnet port in /etc/services or change that "telnet" to something else in inetd.conf to change ports |
| 08:08.53 | wols_ | perlmonkey: you can. how about following what streuner told you? |
| 08:09.08 | wols_ | instead of asking us things that the guide can explain better? |
| 08:09.48 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 08:10.11 | oober | Hello, how can I fix the following error i'm getting? "/usr/sbin/tcpclient: relocation error: /usr/sbin/tcpclient: symbol errno, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference" |
| 08:11.37 | wols_ | oober: lemme guess: lenny or sid? |
| 08:11.55 | rrk | looking for some help with an etch mouse problem |
| 08:12.00 | oober | wols_, come again? |
| 08:12.01 | dondelelcaro | rrk: best to just ask |
| 08:12.04 | wols_ | most probably when you apt upgrade some library or package is held back |
| 08:12.14 | wols_ | oober: what debian version? |
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| 08:12.38 | oober | wols_, ....stable ? |
| 08:12.42 | oober | suppose etch? |
| 08:12.43 | sobersabre | hi I need help with building md from a live disk. |
| 08:12.55 | sobersabre | can somebody elaborate ? |
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| 08:13.08 | wols_ | sobersabre: can you ask a proper question? |
| 08:13.14 | rrk | same mouse type i have been using for year logitech marble mouse --eratic no way no how can i get it stable |
| 08:13.26 | wols_ | oober: does apt-get upgrade have some packages held back? |
| 08:13.27 | marsje | sobersabre: do you want to do it on a running system? or may it go down for a while? |
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| 08:13.37 | sobersabre | wols_: I have 2 hard disks: hdb hdd |
| 08:13.44 | sobersabre | marsje: the system must run |
| 08:13.44 | SoulChild | Bonjour... Everybody,... |
| 08:13.51 | sobersabre | the partitions can be unmounted. |
| 08:13.58 | oober | wols_, how would i see if it have? |
| 08:14.01 | wols_ | sobersabre: how can the system run in production use from a live CD? |
| 08:14.17 | wols_ | oober: aptitude update;aptitude upgrade |
| 08:14.21 | sobersabre | wols_: I have a data on hdb which must be in the md device. |
| 08:14.31 | sobersabre | and I need to use both hdb and hdd as raid1 |
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| 08:14.46 | sobersabre | I have started by creating md1 from hdd |
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| 08:14.52 | marsje | sobersabre: I just migrated my stsem to raid1, but I had to bring it down to safely copy existing files and also to reboot |
| 08:14.57 | wols_ | so you don't want to lose existing data. the system is not "running". while you create the md the data is not accessible |
| 08:15.00 | SoulChild | Is it true that new programms/versions in ubuntu are earlier available than in debian ? |
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| 08:15.01 | rrk | will gdm over ride xorg.conf ? |
| 08:15.12 | Shadur | rrk: It won't even touch it. |
| 08:15.14 | oober | wols_, "No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.\n 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.\n" |
| 08:15.16 | sobersabre | wols_: I work over ssh. so I cannot bring the system down. |
| 08:15.16 | wols_ | rrk: they can coexist |
| 08:15.21 | rrk | ok |
| 08:15.26 | wols_ | sobersabre: you said something about liveCD? |
| 08:15.28 | Shadur | rrk: They work on different levels. gdm needs xorg to run. |
| 08:15.28 | sobersabre | I have built md1 with 1 disk missing. |
| 08:15.36 | sobersabre | wols_: no. I haven't :) |
| 08:15.46 | wols_ | oops. I read gpm, instead of gdm |
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| 08:16.05 | wols_ | sobersabre: I need more sleep |
| 08:16.07 | sobersabre | I could bring the server down, but that means I need to kill 2 hours on the road. |
| 08:16.08 | rrk | the box see's /dev/input/mice and /dev/input/mouse0 |
| 08:16.12 | sobersabre | wols_: I need more raid! |
| 08:16.13 | sobersabre | :) |
| 08:16.24 | sobersabre | anyways, I have built the raid with "missing" option. |
| 08:16.30 | sobersabre | and I can mount it successfully |
| 08:16.30 | en1gma | glxgears = 80563 frames in 5.0 seconds = 16112.510 FPS |
| 08:16.42 | sobersabre | and the raid device has the proper data. |
| 08:16.43 | wols_ | !pony en1gma |
| 08:16.44 | itai1234 | wols_, xchat logged me out. in the mount command username=windowsuser, what should i write, if my user's name is tim should i write username=tim or just write 'tim'? |
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| 08:16.47 | Shadur | Hmm. Can you specify a whole class B subnet in DNS? As in, declare a master record for, say, 172.16.in-addr.arpa privately? |
| 08:16.49 | en1gma | :) |
| 08:16.56 | en1gma | i got the driver working :) |
| 08:16.57 | Shadur | wols_: Looks like you were right after all. :) |
| 08:17.03 | wols_ | username=tim. tim needs to exist on the windows box |
| 08:17.12 | Shadur | rrk: That's gpm, not gdm, and yes, they can coexist. |
| 08:17.14 | sobersabre | wols_: Now, I have tried to add the 1st drive ( hdb ) to the raid, |
| 08:17.19 | sobersabre | and I got an error. |
| 08:17.20 | en1gma | beryl is pretty smooth except min and maximizing windows |
| 08:17.24 | en1gma | looks a tiny glitchy |
| 08:17.36 | sobersabre | Q: do I need to somehow repartition the hdb disk to suit RAID1 needs ? |
| 08:17.36 | wols_ | !tell sobersabre about errors |
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| 08:17.51 | sobersabre | wols_, the error is: |
| 08:17.59 | Shadur | In fact, you can make xorg listen to the gpm repeater pipe - this was a popular method back when gpm supported more mice types than XFree86 did. |
| 08:18.17 | sobersabre | wols_: mdadm: add new device failed for /dev/hdb as 2: No space left on device |
| 08:18.20 | rrk | sobersabre what does cat /proc/mdstat look like |
| 08:18.30 | wols_ | hdb is nod hdb1 |
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| 08:18.35 | wols_ | *not |
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| 08:18.50 | wols_ | if hdb1 is an empty partition, delete it perhaps? |
| 08:18.51 | sobersabre | wols_: I will try hdb1 :) |
| 08:18.52 | sobersabre | moment |
| 08:19.00 | sobersabre | same same |
| 08:19.04 | militant | having some issues doing an external monitor on a laptop. anyone use a setup like this? |
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| 08:19.05 | itai1234 | wols_, the mount command results in a long explanation about how my syntax is wrong |
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| 08:19.31 | wols_ | !tell itai1234 about errors |
| 08:19.41 | wols_ | itai1234: pleas paste your exactl mount command |
| 08:19.45 | wols_ | -l |
| 08:19.47 | oober | wols_, I take it it got broken when etch went stable.. I did not do the upgrade myself. |
| 08:20.05 | sobersabre | rrk, here: http://pastebin.ca/490826 |
| 08:20.11 | itai1234 | mount -t smbfs username=admin //192.168.1.7/PICTURES /home |
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| 08:20.16 | militant | i have display, but it's a clone and i can't set independent resolution |
| 08:20.23 | itai1234 | wols_, the error is very long |
| 08:20.28 | sobersabre | rrk: do yoou see ? |
| 08:20.31 | wols_ | itai1234: you forgot the -o |
| 08:20.41 | wols_ | -o username=admin |
| 08:20.52 | itai1234 | i see |
| 08:21.00 | rrk | yes mdadm /dev/md1 -a /dev/hdb1 |
| 08:21.06 | wols_ | and mounting something in /home is very... unwise |
| 08:21.12 | rrk | --add |
| 08:21.13 | wols_ | create an empty directory |
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| 08:21.32 | sobersabre | rrk: I have tried this: mdadm -a /dev/md1 /dev/hdb |
| 08:21.34 | sobersabre | :) |
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| 08:21.55 | itai1234 | wols_ mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //192.168.1.7/PICTURES, |
| 08:21.57 | sobersabre | same error |
| 08:22.02 | sobersabre | rrk: SAME error. |
| 08:22.06 | rrk | itail1234 konquoer network places it is easier and quicker |
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| 08:22.45 | wols_ | itai1234: smbclient -L 192.168.1.7 |
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| 08:22.59 | wols_ | also you will need to spcifiy the user for smbclient (man smbclient) |
| 08:23.05 | wols_ | that tells you what is available |
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| 08:23.09 | rrk | ok on hdb did you make the raid device first then and then the file system |
| 08:23.30 | wols_ | itai1234: and, you do run a stock debian kernel= |
| 08:23.32 | wols_ | ? |
| 08:23.42 | sobersabre | rrk: hdb1 was mounted as ext3 before I copied data from it. |
| 08:23.49 | itai1234 | wols_ it gives me a list of all the shared directories and at the end it adds : |
| 08:23.51 | itai1234 | session request to 192.168.1.7 failed (Called name not present) |
| 08:24.00 | sobersabre | rrk: so the answer is probably no. |
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| 08:24.10 | sobersabre | how can I do what you ask ? |
| 08:24.29 | sobersabre | rrk ? |
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| 08:24.47 | anapivirtua | Hello World. |
| 08:24.51 | itai1234 | my kernel is 2.6.18-4-686 |
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| 08:24.58 | rrk | sobbersabre it will not work when you do a raid you have to create the md device then the file system |
| 08:25.20 | [Kork]^nobo | hmh, can anyone tell me why i find 3 different dvd images when trying to download etch? |
| 08:25.29 | rrk | now did the file copy ok to the md device? |
| 08:25.39 | sobersabre | rrk: listen: /dev/md1 is the raid1 device with 1 disk missing. formatted (after being created) as ext3, and it has all the data. |
| 08:25.40 | rrk | are you running on the md device |
| 08:25.56 | sobersabre | hdb1 is the partition I took the data from. |
| 08:26.03 | wols_ | itai1234: just checking if access works. is PICTURES really displayed all uppercase in smbclient? |
| 08:26.10 | wols_ | and do you run a stock debian kernel? |
| 08:26.11 | sobersabre | now I want to add hdb disk to the md1 raid1, so it has no disks missing. |
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| 08:26.16 | rrk | ok now you have to fix the other dive |
| 08:26.24 | sobersabre | you mean the 1st one. |
| 08:26.26 | sobersabre | right ? |
| 08:26.28 | sobersabre | ( hdb ) |
| 08:26.41 | rrk | drive and the drive should be on c not b |
| 08:27.11 | sobersabre | rrk: not possible. |
| 08:27.11 | rrk | are you running on md1? |
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| 08:27.17 | sobersabre | rrk: YES. |
| 08:27.30 | rrk | ok then it is possible |
| 08:27.34 | sobersabre | I have created it raid1 with 1 disk only, and another is _currently_ missing. |
| 08:27.44 | rrk | ok |
| 08:27.44 | itai1234 | wols_, dont know what is stock debian kernel , just installed last month . i didnt compile my own kernel or anything. and yes it's all uppercase in the smbclient -L output |
| 08:27.47 | sobersabre | so .. what I do to add an arbitrary hdb disk to md1 ? |
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| 08:28.11 | sobersabre | ( that's the original question :) I knew I had to explain it ) |
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| 08:28.29 | wols_ | itai1234: just checking cause a self compiled custom kernel might have smbfs missing |
| 08:28.35 | vchrizz | hiho |
| 08:28.52 | wols_ | itai1234: package smbfs is installed? |
| 08:29.13 | rrk | first off that drive some be on hdc not b because b is the same ide channel as a for raid you want them on seperate controllers |
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| 08:30.01 | keta | is it possible to run a 32bit environment with an amd64 kernel? (i.e. chrooting an old woody image or booting a xen machine with amd64 kernel on a 32bit env) |
| 08:30.11 | sobersabre | rrk: the "1st" is already in md1 and it is on hdd |
| 08:30.41 | itai1234 | wols_, installing it now , i expected it to be a dependency of smb-cleint..... |
| 08:30.50 | sobersabre | rrk: refer to the pastebin link... |
| 08:31.30 | wols_ | keta: yes |
| 08:31.41 | wols_ | keta: but not with woody |
| 08:32.02 | rrk | ok |
| 08:32.04 | sobersabre | ok.. how do I add arbitrary new hard disk to md1 ? |
| 08:32.05 | sobersabre | :) |
| 08:32.16 | sobersabre | let's forget for a moment it has any data.. |
| 08:33.20 | rrk | the easiest way sfdisk -d /dev/xx |sfdisk -f /dev/newdisk |
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| 08:34.02 | rrk | careful because to copys the entire partition table for the md1 drive to the new disk |
| 08:34.08 | sobersabre | rrk: so shall I do this from /dev/md1 ? |
| 08:34.13 | sobersabre | oops |
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| 08:34.46 | rrk | no the drive not the partition |
| 08:35.00 | sobersabre | so ... shall I disable /dev/md1 in the meanwhile ? |
| 08:35.08 | C64Freak | hi guys. I'm installing Debian etch (testing) on laptop ASUS L3800C. During text-mode installation there is info that no hdd was detected. What should I do? |
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| 08:35.11 | sobersabre | via invoke-rc.d .. ? |
| 08:35.11 | rrk | wait a sec because there are more questions |
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| 08:35.36 | sobersabre | rrk: let me answer other questions, ok ? |
| 08:35.40 | wols_ | C64Freak: try a different kernel |
| 08:35.42 | rrk | ok |
| 08:35.52 | wols_ | C64Freak: there is no etch (testing) anymore |
| 08:35.54 | sobersabre | C64Freak: what kernel have you chosen ? |
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| 08:35.59 | sobersabre | etch is stable! |
| 08:36.08 | C64Freak | i didn't know |
| 08:36.16 | sobersabre | C64Freak: when did you get the iso image ? |
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| 08:36.20 | wols_ | C64Freak: which leads me to believe you use a quite old install disk with an old kernel |
| 08:36.29 | C64Freak | yesterday from cdimage site |
| 08:36.30 | rrk | some sata drives are not detected |
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| 08:37.01 | wols_ | !tell C64Freak about sarge 2.6.20 |
| 08:37.28 | wols_ | etch uses 2.6.18 while this installer uses 2.6.20 and you can then later upgrade to etch after install |
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| 08:37.39 | DavidProck1982 | off topic: any one know what port i need to unblock in my router settings to allow my self to be pinged |
| 08:37.53 | sobersabre | C64Freak: well, better use debian mirror. have you checked if your laptop has no installation issues on http://www.linux-laptop.net/ ? |
| 08:37.55 | vchrizz | im trying to get sound from my bluetooth headset via a2dp .. independend of which player(xmms,mplayer,vlc) i use, it works for some seconds and then begins bucking .. while playing a2dpd gives endless times this error: 'stream_client_send_pointer_resp: Cannot send pointer' when stopping the player a2dpd gives endless this error: 'main_loop: Reset client delay' screenshot: http://666kb.com/i/aodwyfeij2jdvesok.png |
| 08:38.07 | sobersabre | DavidProck1982: it is not port, it is protocol |
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| 08:38.22 | sobersabre | ping is UDP based protocol ICMP |
| 08:38.23 | DavidProck1982 | can u tell me what i need to know |
| 08:38.24 | saptah | hi. |
| 08:38.31 | wols_ | DavidProck1982: icmp |
| 08:38.39 | sobersabre | DavidProck1982: what kind of router do you have ? |
| 08:38.47 | DavidProck1982 | linksys |
| 08:39.00 | DavidProck1982 | WRT45G |
| 08:39.01 | wols_ | DavidProck1982: disable the stupid "stealth" firewall crap |
| 08:39.04 | vchrizz | linksys are the best routers out there (imo) |
| 08:39.06 | sobersabre | are you working via ssh/telnet or via the web based interface ? |
| 08:39.26 | sobersabre | vchrizz: it depends for what purpose. |
| 08:39.27 | infester | kevin rose use linksys! :D |
| 08:39.27 | vchrizz | but the original firmware is crap, get some better like ddwrt or openwrt |
| 08:39.38 | infester | uses*? ;o |
| 08:39.41 | wols_ | vchrizz: dream on |
| 08:39.55 | en1gma | hey all i got a silly question. i got a pretty nice looking kde desktop with a nice background and got a descent beryl theme in confunction with kaermik theme but the K-Menu really looks out of place with its colors (when it rolls out) the actualy k-menu button in task bar is fine but when i click it the menus are all white background not matching anything i got |
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| 08:40.04 | sobersabre | rrk: so ... what's up ? |
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| 08:40.12 | sobersabre | I am answering... and you are not ;-) |
| 08:40.12 | vchrizz | sobersabre: well, in specific im talking about the wrt54g series ;) |
| 08:40.17 | C64Freak | there should be no installation issues coz it's an 4 year old laptop |
| 08:40.21 | en1gma | ive look in control center in appearance and themes and either im just missing it or it isnt there |
| 08:40.40 | rrk | first is there anything on b that you need to save ? |
| 08:40.40 | vchrizz | wols_: why? do you know better routers in that price class? |
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| 08:40.42 | sobersabre | vchrizz: I think you forgot to mention "for home use" ... |
| 08:40.51 | vchrizz | sobersabre: true :D |
| 08:41.00 | sobersabre | oh! "in that price class" :) |
| 08:41.01 | infester | :o) |
| 08:41.13 | itai1234 | wols_, it worked. thank you |
| 08:41.19 | rrk | ok what do you have in the raid md1 |
| 08:41.35 | sobersabre | rrk: no, it was the source for the data, the data is on md1 already, so we can lose it :) |
| 08:41.49 | vchrizz | sure there are better routers... but who would use some 500+ usd hardware for home use? :D |
| 08:41.52 | sobersabre | rrk: I have data from b :) |
| 08:42.11 | en1gma | im up for a little bit longer if you have any questions on the md raid |
| 08:42.17 | en1gma | i have 4 drives in a raid 0 right now |
| 08:42.24 | sobersabre | vchrizz: do these routers support 108Mb data rates ? |
| 08:42.35 | rrk | ok is the partition on hdd md1 is it the same size as the matching partition on b |
| 08:42.37 | sobersabre | I mean for wifi.. |
| 08:42.51 | sobersabre | rrk: this is NOT exactly the same size. |
| 08:42.59 | sobersabre | both drives are 250G |
| 08:43.04 | wols_ | vchrizz: openwrt.org has lots with better hardware. or in europe AVM fritzbox has lot better models too ((they do VoIP too and are linux based as well, have USB ports, and 32MB RAM) |
| 08:43.15 | sobersabre | but, I've noticed slight differences in their total sizes. |
| 08:43.21 | en1gma | i have 4 of those 250s :) |
| 08:43.23 | sobersabre | ( about 1 GB ) |
| 08:43.31 | sobersabre | en1gma: and I have a drum. |
| 08:43.36 | sobersabre | ( old russian joke ) |
| 08:43.38 | rrk | ok |
| 08:43.40 | en1gma | thats not a drum |
| 08:43.44 | en1gma | thats your dick |
| 08:43.45 | en1gma | lol |
| 08:43.55 | sobersabre | en1gma: there's a joke about a girl and a boy. |
| 08:43.56 | en1gma | ;) |
| 08:44.02 | sobersabre | girl: I have a new dress |
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| 08:44.07 | sobersabre | boy: and I have a drum |
| 08:44.10 | en1gma | i figured but i havent heard it before :) |
| 08:44.16 | en1gma | ahhh |
| 08:44.17 | sobersabre | girl: I have a new lipstick |
| 08:44.22 | sobersabre | boy: and I have a drum |
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| 08:44.33 | vchrizz | sobersabre: afaik no ... im not that much into wlan but is 108m possible? isnt it some sort of "fake" or so? well i never got more than 40-50m throughput with wrt54g models |
| 08:44.35 | sobersabre | girl: I have new shoes! :) |
| 08:44.41 | rrk | the partition on b has to be bigger or the same size |
| 08:44.47 | sobersabre | boy: and I HAVE A DRUM ( argh ) |
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| 08:44.49 | rrk | as on d |
| 08:44.57 | sobersabre | girl: and I have a new bag |
| 08:45.05 | sobersabre | boy: and I know to pee on a wall |
| 08:45.14 | en1gma | ok all i going to sleep but that damn k-menu when its open sure dont match this theme |
| 08:45.22 | infester | girl: cool, wanna have me? =o |
| 08:45.26 | en1gma | ill try and research it tomorrow as i sleepy |
| 08:45.57 | en1gma | thnx for all the people who have been patiently helping me (as my system i can pretty much say is damn good) |
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| 08:46.23 | vchrizz | wols_: avm fritzbox? i hear about that often but it remembers me on the old fritz cards used for isdn which werent that nice afair ;) |
| 08:46.39 | sobersabre | rrk: let me verify |
| 08:46.46 | rrk | ok |
| 08:46.56 | Steven_M | hi all |
| 08:47.00 | Steven_M | hi. Can anyone help me with shorewall? |
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| 08:47.22 | wols_ | vchrizz: compared to everything else, fritbox are about the best "normal" isdn cards for ages |
| 08:47.28 | wols_ | and the fritzbox is a router |
| 08:48.11 | perlmonkey | how well supported are ATI cards? |
| 08:48.21 | wols_ | perlmonkey: depends |
| 08:48.38 | perlmonkey | generally the older ones are ok tho in Linux? |
| 08:48.42 | sobersabre | rrk: this is really wierd |
| 08:48.49 | rrk | ok |
| 08:48.56 | wols_ | perlmonkey: partially |
| 08:48.59 | sobersabre | when running sfdisk -d /dev/hdd |
| 08:49.05 | wols_ | R300 based ones mostly are |
| 08:49.06 | perlmonkey | Steve_M: what's up? |
| 08:49.13 | sobersabre | I get error: sfdisk: ERROR: sector 0 does not have an msdos signature /dev/hdd: unrecognized partition table type |
| 08:49.17 | sobersabre | No partitions found |
| 08:49.37 | sobersabre | but if I enable md1 it works, and I can access data |
| 08:49.39 | sobersabre | how come ? |
| 08:49.43 | rrk | try parted or fdisk |
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| 08:49.48 | Steven_M | hi. Can anyone help me with shorewall? |
| 08:50.09 | sobersabre | rrk: Warning: invalid flag 0x0000 of partition table 4 will be corrected by w(rite) |
| 08:50.13 | perlmonkey | Steven_M: not unless they know what the problem/question is |
| 08:50.40 | sobersabre | This is what I got in fdisk |
| 08:50.50 | sobersabre | and it shows an empty disk with free space. |
| 08:50.58 | sobersabre | how come?!?! |
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| 08:57.35 | rrk | some thing is very wrong |
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| 08:57.36 | rrk | what is on d drive |
| 08:57.36 | sobersabre | now, watching /proc/mdstat shows "recovery" |
| 08:57.36 | zl2tod | morning pabs |
| 08:57.36 | rrk | can you wipe it and start again |
| 08:57.36 | perlmonkey | mornin |
| 08:57.37 | rrk | ok |
| 08:57.37 | pabs3 | anyone here have experience with dell laptops and debian and have model suggestions? |
| 08:57.37 | pabs3 | hi zl2tod :) |
| 08:57.37 | sobersabre | rrk: I can, but it is about 150GB of data. |
| 08:57.37 | petemc | pabs3: latitudes have worked fine for me in the past |
| 08:57.38 | sobersabre | I would like it to be on md0 |
| 08:57.38 | perlmonkey | hmmm im not seeing many search results for dell optiplex gx150 and debian, that makes me nervous, i just bought one of these little boxes to use for a mythtv server |
| 08:57.38 | sobersabre | not md1 |
| 08:57.38 | rrk | partition tables need to be correct |
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| 08:57.39 | perlmonkey | pabs3: linux on laptop sites would best for that? |
| 08:57.39 | perlmonkey | pabs3: http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/dell.html |
| 08:57.39 | rrk | let the recovery finish |
| 08:57.40 | sobersabre | rrk: so, what partition type do I need to make on hdd so I can add it to the raid1 ? |
| 08:57.40 | rrk | fd |
| 08:57.41 | sobersabre | fd ? |
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| 08:57.41 | rrk | fd is raid auto detect |
| 08:57.41 | Steven_M | I have set the shorewall policy file to block outgoing traffic except for ports mentioned in the rules file but it's not applying the rules. |
| 08:57.41 | pabs3 | petemc, perlmonkey: thanks |
| 08:57.42 | perlmonkey | pabs3: could also try tuxmobil.org |
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| 08:57.42 | perlmonkey | Steven_M: did you restart it? |
| 08:57.42 | sobersabre | how do I remove md1 ? |
| 08:57.42 | pabs3 | perlmonkey: yeah, unfortunately no summaries on linux-on-laptops |
| 08:57.42 | rrk | ok d is the drive with the screwed partition table? |
| 08:57.42 | Steven_M | perlmonkey: yes |
| 08:57.42 | sobersabre | sh1te! |
| 08:57.43 | perlmonkey | pabs3: it's a case of researching the model(s) you are thinking of buying I think |
| 08:57.43 | sobersabre | the recovery runs on both disks!!! :) |
| 08:57.43 | sobersabre | rrk: I think md1 will have both disks soon. |
| 08:57.43 | rrk | that is good news |
| 08:57.43 | sobersabre | look: |
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| 08:57.58 | rrk | recovery is very slow but you can still use the system while it is recovering |
| 08:58.08 | perlmonkey | does anyone here own a Dell optiplex? |
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| 08:58.11 | sobersabre | http://pastebin.ca/490864 |
| 08:58.25 | sobersabre | rrk: I prefer NOT to. |
| 08:58.26 | wols_ | !smite perlmonkey |
| 08:58.34 | perlmonkey | I'm curious about these little slimline cdrom drives the optiplex range seems to have, are these unique to dell? |
| 08:58.34 | sobersabre | It is NFS volume. |
| 08:58.47 | sobersabre | I don't want to export it before the recovery finishes. |
| 08:58.55 | sobersabre | It will be raped by the workstations. |
| 08:58.56 | wols_ | perlmonkey: slimline CDROMs are nothing new |
| 08:59.16 | Steven_M | perlmonkey: Do you use shorewall |
| 08:59.17 | perlmonkey | wols_: so I should be able to source those anywhere then and use my box? |
| 08:59.22 | perlmonkey | Steven_M: I do ya |
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| 08:59.45 | wols_ | perlmonkey: check the connectors first |
| 08:59.45 | sobersabre | rrk: how can I test this raid's performance ( url will suffice ) |
| 08:59.48 | sobersabre | ? |
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| 08:59.50 | wols_ | that's the main snag I guess |
| 08:59.54 | rrk | no i would not export it -- my use is postgres db's |
| 08:59.57 | wols_ | so you can actually plug the thing in |
| 09:00.00 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 09:00.05 | rrk | bonnie |
| 09:00.09 | perlmonkey | good point |
| 09:00.26 | wols_ | perlmonkey: I doubt dell will use anything else than some form of IDE |
| 09:00.32 | Steven_M | perlmonkey: I'll paste bin my rules and polocy files |
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| 09:00.38 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 09:00.40 | wols_ | perlmonkey: and isn't there a normal ID connector you can use somewhere? |
| 09:00.48 | wols_ | *ID |
| 09:00.49 | wols_ | *IDE |
| 09:00.51 | wols_ | grrr |
| 09:01.00 | perlmonkey | hehe |
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| 09:01.22 | wols_ | or remoe the harddisk. install debian on some other PC onto it and put it back into the optiplex? |
| 09:01.28 | wols_ | there are tons of way to install an OS |
| 09:01.43 | perlmonkey | this is a SFF box tho and I was just finkin it would be nice to have a dvd-rw in there |
| 09:01.52 | rrk | bonnie will give you a good idea of how well it is working |
| 09:01.58 | perlmonkey | wols_ good idea |
| 09:02.21 | perlmonkey | I bet slimline dvd-rw = pricey |
| 09:02.23 | wols_ | if it's SFF, do you have enough room for the TV card? |
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| 09:02.33 | wols_ | perlmonkey: your bet is not wrong |
| 09:02.41 | wols_ | double or so compared to normal ones |
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| 09:02.54 | perlmonkey | wols_ i cant use the one I have, i have to buy a low profile now :-/ I really didnt research this very well, but the box was only £37 heh |
| 09:04.21 | rrk | looking for help with an etch mouse problem -- mouse is very eratic and i have never had debian problems with it before logitech marble mouse |
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| 09:05.27 | wols_ | rrk: using gpm and X at the same time? |
| 09:05.35 | rrk | yes |
| 09:05.42 | wols_ | tried disabling gpm? |
| 09:05.55 | rrk | how ? |
| 09:06.06 | wols_ | by not loading it? |
| 09:06.17 | wols_ | it sometimes happens if they both fight for the mouse |
| 09:06.19 | omri | if I'm getting "Reply from 192.168.10.1: Destination host unreachable", does it mean that 192.168.10.1 was the unreachable router? |
| 09:06.39 | rrk | let me verify should gpm show in ps? |
| 09:06.52 | wols_ | rrk: yes |
| 09:07.00 | wols_ | omri: what did you do to get this message? |
| 09:07.10 | rrk | ok gpm is not running |
| 09:07.17 | omri | pinged some other IP |
| 09:07.41 | wols_ | the router 192.168.10.1 told you that your destinaiton is not reachable |
| 09:07.48 | wols_ | the 192.168.10.1 is reacable |
| 09:07.51 | omri | so that's a reply from the router then |
| 09:07.56 | wols_ | but the hop beyond that is not |
| 09:07.56 | omri | thats what I wanted to know. thanks |
| 09:08.09 | omri | yup. figured it's one of the two options :) |
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| 09:09.00 | rrk | wols one thing different is this mouse generally shows a /dev/psaux on the problem box it does not |
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| 09:09.44 | rrk | cat /dev/input/mouse0 and cat /dev/input/mice appears to work |
| 09:09.56 | wols_ | then dpkg-reconfigure your X and choose /dev/psaux (if it's a ps2 mouse) |
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| 09:10.11 | rrk | tried that to no effect |
| 09:10.32 | rrk | killed x after every change |
| 09:10.45 | Steven_M | perlmonkey: my shorewall rules: http://rafb.net/p/QnvdqG24.html |
| 09:10.45 | rrk | just to force a reload |
| 09:11.03 | wols_ | you sure the mouse isn't broken or such? |
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| 09:11.38 | rrk | used dpkg-reconfiure xserver-xorg and manual edit of xorg.conf to no effect |
| 09:12.58 | rrk | i have 3 other linux boxes on the kvm with no mouse problems |
| 09:13.28 | Steven_M | perlmonkey: any syntax prolem there? |
| 09:13.51 | laser- | how come there's "THIS IS NOT #ubuntu" in the topic? |
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| 09:14.49 | rrk | i'm pretty sure the mouse is good -- i'm left handed and have a bad wrist so i have about six of them |
| 09:15.31 | infester | laser-: maybe because people tend to ask questions related to ubuntu :p |
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| 09:16.59 | rrk | is there a way to force the discovery on the mouse or should the xorg edit be enough |
| 09:17.28 | yure | laser-, and therefor you have no further questions? :) |
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| 09:17.51 | rrk | i had a old copy of kanotix on the box before etch |
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| 09:18.32 | perlmonkey | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:18.51 | laser- | I don't use Ubuntu |
| 09:18.59 | laser- | but why would Ubuntu users join #debian? it makes no sense |
| 09:19.23 | zl2tod | laser-, ubuntu is based on debian |
| 09:19.23 | perlmonkey | Steven_M: oh sorry, thats your rules I thought I was looking at policies :P |
| 09:19.54 | laser- | zl2tod: so what? |
| 09:20.02 | laser- | why would they join #debian and not #ubuntu |
| 09:20.04 | perlmonkey | Steven_M: syntax looks fine to me |
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| 09:20.27 | Steven_M | perlmonkey: my shorewall policy http://rafb.net/p/bVZrfI87.html |
| 09:20.33 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 09:20.42 | pabs3 | laser-: some debian irc clients are patched to use #debian and ubuntu might not have changed those patches to #ubuntu |
| 09:21.11 | laser- | do you mean "patched to auto-join #debian" ? |
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| 09:21.16 | liable | they have had long enough.. |
| 09:21.23 | infester | and i guess some people join both just to get quicker answers or something |
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| 09:21.36 | Zap-W | is there something similar to clusternfs project for debian? |
| 09:21.48 | msingh | how do i find out where the package hyperspec was installed? |
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| 09:21.59 | perlmonkey | Steven_M: I use fw not $FW in my policy but I doubt that should make any difference? |
| 09:21.59 | infester | msingh: dpkg -L hyperspec |
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| 09:22.18 | kubrick | module-assistant rocks |
| 09:22.22 | kubrick | i didnt know it |
| 09:22.44 | TipTap | good morning, i need to transfter 450g of data between one SAN to another SAN storage device, i was wondeirng if anyone knew of the best way of doing this the best utiltiy other than physically mounting both devices and copying betwen the two |
| 09:22.52 | Steven_M | perlmonkey: might do it |
| 09:22.52 | msingh | infernix, thanks. |
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| 09:25.54 | pabs3 | laser-: no, just join by default |
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| 09:27.24 | texta | hey i need help with samba. i made a public share and when i go to on on my pc running windows i cannot get past the authentication because it doesnt let me in with any users. |
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| 09:29.28 | rrk | texta you still need a user and it has to be in the samba config file |
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| 09:29.42 | C64Freak | is this ok for me to download debian-40r0-i386-netinst.iso? What kernel is in the iso? |
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| 09:30.08 | rrk | 2.6.18 |
| 09:30.14 | zl2tod | texta, have you'll want to play with smbpasswd and looked at /var/log/samba |
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| 09:30.30 | texta | rrk: Where it says ; guest account = nobody invalid users = root ? |
| 09:30.40 | jduggan_ | is there mod_auth_mysql in debian? |
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| 09:31.20 | rrk | give nobody a password |
| 09:31.31 | pabs3 | jduggan_: libapache-mod-auth-mysql or libapache2-mod-auth-mysql |
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| 09:31.49 | rrk | then login in nobody with the password |
| 09:32.14 | xand | rrk: that's not how anonymous access to samba shares works |
| 09:32.15 | liable | doesnt that mean there is no guest account? |
| 09:32.20 | texta | zl2tod, ok i set a new passsword but what username would it use? |
| 09:32.49 | rrk | nobody is a user |
| 09:32.56 | texta | oh i get it |
| 09:33.38 | zl2tod | you'll want to set the username you use on your windows box as a valid user |
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| 09:35.34 | texta | but how to i enable my account for use with samba |
| 09:35.40 | texta | in smb.conf |
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| 09:36.57 | henry_nicolas | Hello everybody, is there any tool for conversion from iso-8859-1 to utf8 ? |
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| 09:39.06 | zl2tod | texta, valid users = |
| 09:39.17 | texta | i dont have that :S |
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| 09:40.00 | zl2tod | texta, you might also want to have a look at swat - Samba Web Administration Tool |
| 09:40.09 | zl2tod | texta, you are allowed to add it ;) |
| 09:40.17 | texta | :) |
| 09:40.18 | kensho | texta: the best (and correct) way to create your credentials in unix system, then issue commands: smbpasswd -a username , smbpasswd -e username , add a line 'valid users = yourlogin' in smb.conf in sharing section , your login , /etc/init.d/samba restart |
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| 09:40.52 | muhoo | i've just gotten the horrible news |
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| 09:41.13 | zl2tod | texta, kensho is spot on, and check the logs to find out exactly what it's choking on |
| 09:41.15 | muhoo | my external monitor will never work unless i install xorg 1.3 and intel driver 2.0 |
| 09:41.25 | muhoo | which means, i have to go... UNSTABLE! |
| 09:41.30 | gromgull | any idea why I can't install libgtk2.0-dev in testing? It complains Depends: libgtk2.0-0 (= 2.8.20-7) but 2.10.12-1 is to be installed |
| 09:41.31 | muhoo | how unstable is unstable |
| 09:41.41 | rrk | not very |
| 09:41.45 | muhoo | etch was just released, is lenny a big playpen? |
| 09:41.45 | gromgull | muhoo: not very for a desktop machine... |
| 09:42.05 | muhoo | cool |
| 09:42.10 | rrk | try sidux it is a pretty clean unstable |
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| 09:42.38 | muhoo | a livecd? |
| 09:43.21 | texta | ; guest account = nobody |
| 09:43.21 | muhoo | oh, i see |
| 09:43.25 | simonrvn | famous last words |
| 09:43.36 | muhoo | another debian variant |
| 09:43.39 | texta | valid users = texta doesnt work |
| 09:43.45 | simonrvn | nobody is not a guest account |
| 09:43.50 | texta | under the invalid users string |
| 09:43.52 | muhoo | jeez, if i'm going to leave debian, i'd probably go ubuntustudio maybe |
| 09:44.17 | kensho | texta: there is a line 'guest account = yes', but it's not a good idea. |
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| 09:44.35 | kensho | texta: well. let's go step by step |
| 09:44.36 | C64Freak | wols_: I have just downloaded debian etch stable 4.0 r0 from debian.org. Now i'm installing it and my hdd in laptop ASUS L3800C was properly detected. Why there was aproblem with debian testing (weekly compilation from 14.04.2007)? |
| 09:45.00 | simonrvn | it's not meant to be logged in as... FFS people, read your 50lb UNIX manuals |
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| 09:45.11 | kensho | texta: 1. create unix account (your win login and password) |
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| 09:45.26 | muhoo | well i ran a laptop off of sid for 4 years |
| 09:45.27 | artur_ | I just installed etch, but the xserver-xorg doesnt work. The screen turns into black and the keyboard dead, becoming impossible to switch to console mode. Help? |
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| 09:45.59 | omri | artur_, what do you mean "impossible", what did you try? |
| 09:46.05 | muhoo | or soon after woody was released, whenever that was. |
| 09:46.16 | simonrvn | 2002? |
| 09:46.19 | simonrvn | !woody |
| 09:46.19 | dpkg | somebody said woody was the previous stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "woody->sarge" or "sarge install guide" Security Support for Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 was terminated on 2006-06-30, or but the ISO repository still exists: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/images/3.0_r6/i386/ |
| 09:46.21 | kensho | artur_: you have to check xorg.conf |
| 09:46.42 | muhoo | and only once or twice had a "hold shit, my machine is borked" moment. and it cleared up with some repeated apt-get -f install's |
| 09:46.52 | muhoo | yep |
| 09:47.20 | muhoo | i ran sid on my vaio from around 2003, until early 2007 |
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| 09:47.31 | artur_ | omri: I tryed to switch to console mode, but the keyboard doesn't even turn on caplock, numlock or scrolllock lights |
| 09:47.32 | texta | ok kensho |
| 09:47.34 | kensho | texta: any success? |
| 09:47.45 | muhoo | so i guess tomorrow i go for it. |
| 09:47.50 | omri | artur_, start in single user mode |
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| 09:48.04 | pabs3 | artur_: does Ctrl+Alt+Backspace do anything when the scree is black? |
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| 09:48.17 | kensho | texta: then 2. in your [sharename ] add a line 'valid users = yourlogin' |
| 09:48.21 | artur_ | omri: I'm on single user mode already |
| 09:48.24 | simonrvn | i've seen sid go through shit. i think the worst was pam gooing bonkers, other than the glibc stuff |
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| 09:48.41 | artur_ | pabs3: nothing... because the keyboard doesn't respond |
| 09:48.46 | roland_ | how do i deactivate pam authentication for ssh |
| 09:48.50 | roland_ | on etch 4 |
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| 09:49.15 | pabs3 | anyone know the difference between Intel Core Duo and Intel Core2 Duo ? |
| 09:49.41 | pabs3 | artur_: even the numlock/etc lights? |
| 09:49.43 | texta | i don't think there is any difference |
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| 09:49.49 | texta | just a different way of saying it |
| 09:50.10 | noorul | check on intel website. they usually have all the details. |
| 09:50.12 | artur_ | pabs3: yes, the keyboard doesn't work at all, after X starts |
| 09:50.25 | vchrizz | does in lenny not much packages get updated lately? since about at least a week i didnt upgrade.. or do i have some bogous apt config? |
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| 09:51.18 | petemc | vchrizz: i dont think any packages have been uploaded |
| 09:51.18 | artur_ | pabs3: check wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Core_Duo |
| 09:51.18 | pabs3 | artur_: thanks. what video card & drivers |
| 09:51.19 | roland_ | i receive Authorization Denied when loging to a lan server here , server passwd[6720]: (pam_unix) new password not acceptable |
| 09:51.19 | roland_ | May 16 08:38:04 server passwd[6721]: (pam_unix) could not recover authentication token |
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| 09:52.20 | artur_ | pabs3: ati drivers and ati radeon 9200 pro |
| 09:52.36 | Trewas | pabs3: core2 is 64-bit (amd64) processor, more cache etc than core... core was only intended for laptops, core2 for everything |
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| 09:54.02 | kensho | texta: have you the line added? |
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| 09:54.49 | artur_ | wait..... |
| 09:54.56 | artur_ | I'm using DVI! |
| 09:54.58 | kensho | i did't tell him to issue 'poweroff' in the command line! |
| 09:55.00 | kensho | :) |
| 09:55.05 | artur_ | not VGA |
| 09:55.20 | artur_ | but why the keyboard becomes dead? |
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| 09:55.55 | artur_ | but I'm using console right now using DVI |
| 09:56.03 | artur_ | hum... any ideas? |
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| 09:56.46 | artur_ | (it's hard to be using only one console) |
| 09:57.02 | sobersabre | I am trying to put somewhere in /etc/network the txqueuelen value. |
| 09:57.04 | noorul | what does dmesg say? |
| 09:57.21 | sobersabre | what's the syntax for this setting in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 09:57.33 | sobersabre | I've tried to put it as: |
| 09:57.36 | pabs3 | artur_: sounds like a kernel panic or something |
| 09:57.44 | sobersabre | up txqueuelen=20000 |
| 09:57.50 | sobersabre | but it doesn't work. |
| 09:58.05 | sobersabre | txqueuelen is ifconfig's option |
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| 09:59.58 | artur_ | pabs3: no |
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| 10:00.31 | artur_ | pabs3: it works, because I can ping it from other computer |
| 10:00.32 | kensho | sobersabre: yes, it is. you should write a simple script to autostart it in rc2.d. but why do you want to change this ? |
| 10:01.06 | sobersabre | kensho: I need to adjust queuelen for gigabit network. |
| 10:01.20 | sobersabre | and the server is under a heavy load. |
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| 10:02.02 | sobersabre | I thought if the card's got a bit more memory this should help it cope with loads ( manage the load ) |
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| 10:02.25 | sobersabre | kensho: do you think this is insignificant ? |
| 10:02.47 | kensho | yes, i think the best is to leave it as is. |
| 10:03.33 | pabs3 | artur_: do you have a ssh running on it? |
| 10:04.50 | cydork | sobersabre: you tried up ifconfig blah blah? |
| 10:04.51 | cusco | dudes |
| 10:05.01 | cusco | how do I check the memory banks installed on my machine |
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| 10:06.07 | Maerz | hi there |
| 10:07.25 | Maerz | i just extracted an tar.gz archive, now i notice, that the files weren't in an own main folder, so they are spread in my mainfolder for mainfolders. Is there an easy way to delete the extracted files (without writing every file by hand) ? |
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| 10:08.00 | Maerz | i thought s.t.h like, listing the files of the tar, passing it to xargs executing an rm, but the list includes user/date/time/rights |
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| 10:08.46 | pabs3 | tar ztf something.tar.gz | xargs -i_ rm "_" ; tar ztf something.tar.gz | xargs -i_ rmdir "_" |
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| 10:09.55 | bolbol5 | Hi |
| 10:10.06 | bolbol5 | When I use rsync, he ask me for a password |
| 10:10.20 | bolbol5 | I'm shure that my password is correct but he refused authentification |
| 10:10.36 | kensho | cusco: open the case and have a look, dude :DD the program you need is called memtest |
| 10:10.54 | AdamPal | How can I find out what package provides a certain tool? |
| 10:11.14 | Maerz | ty pa |
| 10:11.18 | Maerz | *pabs. |
| 10:11.28 | tarzeau | AdamPal: packages.debian.org web page |
| 10:11.37 | tarzeau | bolbol5: and the user is right too? |
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| 10:12.22 | Zap-W | what is netpoll? |
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| 10:13.12 | pabs3 | Zap-W: http://lwn.net/Articles/75944/ |
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| 10:16.35 | bolbol5 | tarzeau>yes I ue that rsync myRemoteUser@myRemoteHost:myRemoteSshPort/myRemoteDirectory but the authentification fail. Is it correct ? |
| 10:16.38 | bolbol5 | I use |
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| 10:17.55 | tarzeau | bolbol5: i think it's PEBKAC |
| 10:18.02 | petemc | bolbol5: im not sure you can specify port liek that |
| 10:18.09 | tarzeau | petemc: afaik you can't |
| 10:18.19 | tarzeau | petemc: but it's possible to use any port, even via ssh |
| 10:18.23 | bolbol5 | tarzeau>PEBKAK ? |
| 10:18.27 | tarzeau | !PEBKAC |
| 10:18.27 | dpkg | [pebkac] Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair, or PEBCAK. PEBMAC, PICNIC. PEBRHAL, or http://pebkac.ubergoth.net/ |
| 10:18.36 | bolbol5 | so how to specify the remote port of ssh server ? |
| 10:18.48 | bolbol5 | the local port is 22, the remote is different |
| 10:18.56 | wedgeV | KEBAB? |
| 10:19.00 | bolbol5 | lol |
| 10:19.00 | petemc | tarzeau: its possible of course, -e 'ssh -p 2222' |
| 10:19.05 | tarzeau | -e "ssh -P whatever" |
| 10:19.10 | petemc | bingo |
| 10:19.11 | tarzeau | petemc: i know |
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| 10:19.21 | petemc | or you can specify it in ~/.ssh/config |
| 10:19.36 | petemc | tarzeau: i know too! |
| 10:19.42 | tarzeau | petemc: you're cool! |
| 10:19.47 | petemc | go us! |
| 10:19.57 | tarzeau | WE R0X!!1 |
| 10:20.02 | petemc | :) |
| 10:20.38 | ShredZ | anyone have a clue why ioquake3 (uses SDL imo) only grabs mouse input in windowed mode ? |
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| 10:21.07 | artur_ | no luck... |
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| 10:21.27 | artur_ | I switch monitor from TDMS for CRT |
| 10:21.37 | artur_ | and I still have the same problem |
| 10:22.57 | bolbol5 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:23.27 | bolbol5 | now I get directly "connection refused" on port REMOTE_PORT |
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| 10:23.32 | bolbol5 | to REMOTE_HOST |
| 10:23.47 | bolbol5 | but the port is correct and the ssh server is started on remote host |
| 10:23.53 | bolbol5 | I can connect to it with ssh |
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| 10:26.35 | xand | !connection refused |
| 10:26.35 | dpkg | When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running on the specified ip address at all (apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things. |
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| 10:28.11 | dps | Hello |
| 10:28.21 | bolbol5 | yes I Know |
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| 10:28.37 | bolbol5 | but the port is open and I don't have a firewall on my remote firewall |
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| 10:28.58 | dps | Is is enough to have the architeture kernel headers to compile stuff, or i need more stuff? |
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| 10:29.25 | nnacht | Hey, I compiled kernel with the vanilla source, but the deb file of kernel is almost 200MB, why is it so big? |
| 10:29.34 | artur_ | well, I can't imagine what I have to do... |
| 10:29.54 | artur_ | using diferent monitors and keyboards, I still have the same problem |
| 10:30.16 | artur_ | I can't find anything related in log files |
| 10:31.47 | athame | how do i edit the 'language settings'? |
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| 10:32.46 | artur_ | there is no xorgcfg... |
| 10:32.53 | kensho | artur_: what is the output of the command 'cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep EE' ? |
| 10:33.27 | athame | how do i edit the 'language settings'? anyone? |
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| 10:34.19 | artur_ | kensho: unable to find a valid framebuffer device |
| 10:34.49 | kensho | artur_: what is your video board? |
| 10:35.04 | artur_ | this error is new, because this time I enabled the framebuffer in the configuration |
| 10:35.13 | artur_ | kensho: ati radeon 9200 pro |
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| 10:35.48 | artur_ | btw, I'm using irssi. how can I execute commands here to have the output in the channel? |
| 10:36.13 | artur_ | (in this channel, I mean) |
| 10:37.08 | tarzeau | try /exec -o whatever |
| 10:37.37 | dondelelcaro | but don't do that here, please. |
| 10:37.54 | dondelelcaro | use a paste site to give us output |
| 10:38.34 | artur_ | (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. |
| 10:38.34 | artur_ | (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER |
| 10:38.34 | artur_ | (EE) Unable to find a valid framebuffer device |
| 10:38.34 | artur_ | (EE) RADEON(0): Failed to open framebuffer device, consult warnings and/or errors above for possible reasons |
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| 10:38.49 | dondelelcaro | ah yes... listening skills |
| 10:38.56 | vchrizz | lol |
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| 10:39.05 | tarzeau | i didn't know he wanted to paste more than 1 line |
| 10:39.09 | artur_ | ups... flood! sorry |
| 10:39.16 | dondelelcaro | artur_: allow me to repeat myself; use a paste site to give us the output |
| 10:39.24 | kensho | artur_: don't paste , please :-) |
| 10:39.27 | vchrizz | e.g. rafb.net/paste |
| 10:39.27 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: yeah... I'm getting better with my ESP. ;-) |
| 10:39.29 | tenzind | hi ... in which file does gnome store the gnome-splash-screen settings? |
| 10:39.44 | tarzeau | tenzind: one in ~/.g* |
| 10:39.55 | artur_ | dondelelcaro: I would love to have a paste site... but I don't have X |
| 10:39.59 | kensho | artur_: what is the output of the command 'cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep Driv' |
| 10:40.09 | tenzind | tarzeau: is there a global settings file? |
| 10:40.21 | artur_ | dondelelcaro: and I'm using a single user machine (which means... I have only one console) |
| 10:40.47 | tarzeau | tenzind: ha ha ha |
| 10:40.54 | tenzind | tarzeau: :) |
| 10:41.02 | tenzind | ?? |
| 10:41.05 | tarzeau | tenzind: man this is gnome (like windows) it has a registry called gconf .. good luck |
| 10:41.23 | artur_ | kensho: RADEON and R128 |
| 10:41.29 | tenzind | tarzeau: ohh.. thank you :) |
| 10:41.44 | tarzeau | You arrive at the Valley of the XML...--More-- |
| 10:42.06 | tarzeau | You are blinded by the XML! You hear groans and moans everywhere. |
| 10:42.23 | dondelelcaro | artur_: you can use links or lynx or sial's pbotutil to paste using a console |
| 10:42.55 | kensho | artur_: comment that line (Driver "blah") and write a new one 'Driver "ati" ' |
| 10:42.57 | vchrizz | artur_: which radeon card do you have? |
| 10:43.08 | kensho | vchrizz: he has 9200 pro |
| 10:43.16 | artur_ | dondelelcaro: true |
| 10:43.24 | cydork | tarzeau: wrong channel? #nethack is that way --> :P |
| 10:43.25 | vchrizz | oh, same as me, should work with radeon driver without problems |
| 10:43.45 | kensho | yes, it should. |
| 10:44.15 | artur_ | 01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 PRO] (Secondary) (rev 01) |
| 10:44.22 | vchrizz | artur_: what kernel? |
| 10:44.35 | vchrizz | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 SE] (rev 01) |
| 10:44.39 | vchrizz | gg |
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| 10:44.52 | artur_ | Linux trinity 2.6.18-4-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Mar 26 11:36:53 CEST 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 10:45.02 | vchrizz | oh, so no self compiled .. |
| 10:45.29 | artur_ | no, I just installed etch from DVD |
| 10:45.39 | artur_ | kernel issues? |
| 10:45.54 | vchrizz | did you check xorg.conf already for wrong settings? |
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| 10:46.11 | kensho | vchrizz: read above |
| 10:46.25 | vchrizz | artur_: btw, you have just one shell? try 'screen' ;) |
| 10:47.15 | artur_ | vchrizz: interesting question. It's the first time that this machine have linux installed, so I don't know that a wrong setting would look like. The xorg seems ok |
| 10:47.20 | vchrizz | kensho: ive got buffer set to 100 lines.. and i dont log.. sorry :) |
| 10:47.27 | artur_ | vchrizz: excelent idea! |
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| 10:47.48 | kensho | vchrizz: np. sorry :-) |
| 10:49.22 | vchrizz | artur_: get familiar with screen and open a new window.. ill paste you my xorg conf, you might look at it with links or similar ;) |
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| 10:50.07 | makk1ntosh | hello all. please tell me what is the name for fastcgi module for apache2? cant find any :( using etch |
| 10:50.19 | artur_ | vchrizz: ok |
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| 10:50.46 | |DuReX| | http://paste.debian.net/28081 <- i'm getting this error sometimes :( it makes i'm getting an extremely high load, and the only fix is to reboot -f :s |
| 10:50.58 | |DuReX| | any id how to fix that ? i'm getting crazy of it |
| 10:52.20 | |DuReX| | and i had http://paste.debian.net/28082 also :s |
| 10:52.23 | vchrizz | artur_: http://rafb.net/p/SlgCNN73.html compare to your xorg.conf |
| 10:52.30 | Eulex | makk1ntosh, sorry, but did you ever try searching for it? |
| 10:53.20 | makk1ntosh | Eulex yeah and i found ibapache2-mod-fcgid which is not the same |
| 10:53.31 | vchrizz | makk1ntosh: aptitude search apache2 | grep fastcgi |
| 10:53.46 | Eulex | makk1ntosh, libapache2-mod-fastcgi |
| 10:53.48 | cydork | makk1ntosh: libapache2-mod-fastcgi |
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| 10:54.36 | sp0rk | I'm following the guide for hd encryption, but now i have to alter the kernel...but /usr/src/linux doesnt even exist :o |
| 10:54.37 | makk1ntosh | strange. nothin' found. |
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| 10:55.08 | makk1ntosh | maybe i dont have nesssesry source in sourcses.list ... |
| 10:55.12 | wintix | sp0rk: why would you have to alter the kernel? |
| 10:55.37 | artur_ | vchrizz: ok |
| 10:56.15 | sp0rk | wintix, it gives this msg "Check kernel for support for the aes-cbc-essiv:sha256 cipher" |
| 10:56.22 | cydork | makk1ntosh: you have non-free in your sources.list? |
| 10:56.29 | makk1ntosh | i think no |
| 10:56.32 | wintix | sp0rk: the standard debian kernel has that. |
| 10:56.47 | artur_ | vchrizz: I download it |
| 10:56.58 | wintix | sp0rk: oh. sha256. hm. why not use aes? |
| 10:56.58 | artur_ | vchrizz: but in html format... |
| 10:57.15 | wintix | sp0rk: ok, you might be right. i'm not sure if sha256 is included |
| 10:57.24 | artur_ | vchrizz: do links have a save as text option? |
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| 10:57.30 | vchrizz | sp0rk: /usr/src/linux is usually a symlink to /usr/src/linux-2.<whatever-version>/ |
| 10:57.36 | wintix | sp0rk: you need to get the kernel source to have /usr/src/linux |
| 10:57.41 | sp0rk | but /usr/src folder is empty |
| 10:57.50 | wintix | sp0rk: apt-cache search linux-source |
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| 10:58.06 | vchrizz | sp0rk: go into that folder and apt-get source linux-<version> |
| 10:58.12 | kensho | |DuReX|: let me guess: do you use relativly new kernel? |
| 10:58.13 | artur_ | vchrizz: I found the way to save it in text, thanks |
| 10:58.22 | |DuReX| | kensho yes latest |
| 10:58.33 | |DuReX| | but i tried 20 different versions |
| 10:58.35 | kensho | |DuReX|: roll back then/ |
| 10:58.44 | vchrizz | |DuReX|: which kernel do you use? |
| 10:58.46 | |DuReX| | all same problem :s |
| 10:58.49 | |DuReX| | atm newest |
| 10:58.53 | |DuReX| | but older had same problem |
| 10:58.59 | |DuReX| | http://paste.debian.net/28081 |
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| 10:59.02 | |DuReX| | this error :s |
| 10:59.09 | vchrizz | what is the newest for you? newest stable or testing/unstable? |
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| 10:59.20 | |DuReX| | 2.6.21.1 |
| 10:59.22 | kensho | |DuReX|: then don't know. is xfs an issue? |
| 10:59.48 | vchrizz | |DuReX|: i got problems with 2.6.21.1 too, so i rolled back to 2.6.21 and its working without problems |
| 11:00.46 | vchrizz | i played a lot with 2.6.21.1 and could get it to work but made much problems... |
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| 11:00.52 | |DuReX| | vchrizz: i got that general protection fault on every kernel since 2.6.10 or so :s |
| 11:01.04 | kensho | artur_: any news? |
| 11:01.17 | omri | is there a mail checker applet for gnome panels? |
| 11:01.25 | omri | POP3 |
| 11:01.39 | artur_ | kensho: not yet |
| 11:01.53 | vchrizz | |DuReX|: do you use your custom .config for every version? |
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| 11:02.06 | wintix | omri: apt-cache search gnome pop3 notify |
| 11:02.09 | makk1ntosh | cydork: ty. i found it |
| 11:02.09 | artur_ | if you see me going offline without saying anything, it's because it didn't work |
| 11:02.14 | wintix | omri: not gnome but might do the trick |
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| 11:02.26 | omri | thanks :) |
| 11:02.27 | makk1ntosh | was caused by missing non-free |
| 11:02.38 | kensho | artur_: you may try to install official binary driver... but it could be abit tricky... |
| 11:02.53 | |DuReX| | vchrizz: yes |
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| 11:03.09 | xdr | anyone know how to make xfce-terminal using UTF? |
| 11:03.29 | omri | export LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF8 ? |
| 11:04.46 | artur_ | vchrizz: you use radeon driver instead ati? |
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| 11:05.17 | artur_ | kensho: it would be an idea... but I'm wondering why the keyboard dies? |
| 11:05.22 | vchrizz | |DuReX|: well, i made the same error, thats why no kernel version worked for me since i once used 2.6.21.1 ... either copy your .config to 2.6.21 and 'make oldconfig' or create a new one from 2.6.21 |
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| 11:05.29 | xdr | omri: no, doesn't work :/ |
| 11:05.37 | vchrizz | artur_: ati driver is afaik for older (?non-radeon?) cards... |
| 11:05.44 | vchrizz | you need radeon driver! |
| 11:06.08 | vchrizz | ati might work, i didnt test it, but if it works, it would work rather slow i guess |
| 11:06.21 | artur_ | vchrizz: ok |
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| 11:07.20 | kensho | yes. but ati driver is not very fast as well... :) |
| 11:07.38 | kensho | s/ati/radeon |
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| 11:08.32 | kensho | vchrizz: prhaps you are both share the same 'un-knowelege' ? |
| 11:08.32 | |DuReX| | i have same prob on other kernel versions |
| 11:08.34 | kensho | ;-)) |
| 11:08.40 | |DuReX| | so i don't think its 2.6.21.1 |
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| 11:10.36 | kensho | artur_: i 've got no idea why your kb dies. prb, you have strange kb? unlikely... |
| 11:11.02 | omri | I've made a rafb script once, it can paste files and it even reads output from stdin so you can pipe stuff in there. how hard would it be to get it in debian's packages? |
| 11:11.03 | omri | it's GPL |
| 11:11.11 | kensho | artur_: keyboard almost always works. |
| 11:11.19 | omri | could be useful for IRC support |
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| 11:12.39 | vchrizz | kensho: hum, radeon driver is not very fast? so what should i use instead? |
| 11:13.32 | artur_ | kensho: this keyboard is working now without any problems and I use it for 7 years already. It's simple one |
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| 11:17.12 | cusco | kensho: I did that thanks anyway. I was looking for something in /proc |
| 11:17.13 | wols_ | vchrizz: ati driver is for r300 cards |
| 11:17.28 | cusco | and memtest is something else |
| 11:17.32 | wols_ | radeon driver is for the older stuff IIRC |
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| 11:20.33 | sp0rk | ok, i'm totally new to the packet manager of debian..and i'm trying to install a kernel source..so i did apt-get install linux-source |
| 11:20.40 | sp0rk | but now in my /usr/src is a bz2 file |
| 11:20.46 | sp0rk | i dont get it lol |
| 11:20.53 | AdamPal | heh |
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| 11:20.59 | AdamPal | You have installed the kernel source sp0rk |
| 11:21.07 | AdamPal | .tar.bz2 is your kernel source archive. |
| 11:21.11 | dondelelcaro | sp0rk: why are you installing a kernel source? |
| 11:21.14 | AdamPal | Did you want to build a kernel from the source code? |
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| 11:21.53 | AdamPal | Or maybe a tool you are using is asking for kheaders? |
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| 11:24.16 | alfadir | hi, question about /dev/loop. i have two iso:s loop mounted (running sid) with /sbin/losetup -a i see that /dev/loop/0 and /dev/loop1 are used. i would have expected /dev/loop/1 ? or ? |
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| 11:24.16 | AdamPal | alfadir: You can mknod your own if you like. |
| 11:24.17 | sp0rk | AdamPal, well yea, i want to install a kernel source cuz i have an empty /usr/src folder lolz |
| 11:24.18 | vchrizz | wols_: oh, well i thought ati driver is for older cards... and radeon for newer.. so i may use ati driver for my radeon too? would it work faster? |
| 11:24.18 | alfadir | AdamPal: ok, just thought that the udev rules devfs.rules would kick in.. |
| 11:24.39 | wols_ | vchrizz: depends on your ati card |
| 11:24.41 | liable | whats that bug where theres no symlink love? |
| 11:24.46 | alfadir | AdamPal: KERNEL=="loop[0-9]*", NAME="loop/%n" |
| 11:24.49 | wols_ | and the fglrx one is fastest, if you card supports it |
| 11:24.59 | wols_ | however it has problems of its own, e.g. beryl |
| 11:25.12 | liable | and xorg7.2 |
| 11:25.27 | AdamPal | sp0rk: You want to install kernel source for fun? [It's really not so easy/fun] but hey. tar -xjf your archive. COPY YOUR CURRENT /boot/config-x into /usr/src/kernel-dir/.config and follow one of many guides available on how to compile and install a 2.6.x from source |
| 11:25.36 | wols_ | sp0rk: why do you need kernel source? what do you want to do with it? it's not as if you need kernel source to run linux |
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| 11:26.09 | fengor | !kernel mantra |
| 11:26.09 | dpkg | use the Debian packages! Really! They work! Only if they REALLY don't work should you be compiling your own, because some day you'll really need that module you left out |
| 11:26.20 | sp0rk | wols_ i need to add some crypth. algoritmes to the kernel |
| 11:26.22 | sp0rk | but now i get |
| 11:26.23 | sp0rk | x from source |
| 11:26.23 | sp0rk | [13:25] <wols_> sp0rk: why do you need kernel source? what do you want to do with it? it's not as if you need kernel source to run linux |
| 11:26.26 | sp0rk | lol sryu |
| 11:26.33 | sp0rk | bash: make: command not found |
| 11:26.34 | AdamPal | sp0rk: Also, don't feel that just because you have an empty directory, you have to fill it! You're hard drive will run out of space pretty quick |
| 11:26.44 | AdamPal | sp0rk: If you don't know how to solve that, you really shouldnt be building your own kernel |
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| 11:26.55 | AdamPal | sp0rk: I can almost guarantee that you are going to bork your system |
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| 11:27.09 | wols_ | sp0rk: you are not supposed to use make when building a kernel |
| 11:27.17 | wols_ | !tell sp0rk about b-e |
| 11:27.29 | fengor | !tell sp0rk about make-kpkg |
| 11:27.37 | wols_ | that, and kernel-package, fakeroot and libncurses5-dev is what you want to compile your own kernel |
| 11:27.41 | Eulex | sp0rk, if you can't extract a tarball... you certainly can't patch, configure, build and install a kernel. |
| 11:28.08 | liable | hah, nasty but true |
| 11:28.43 | sp0rk | fengor, can i query ? |
| 11:28.53 | AdamPal | sp0rk: You should really learn a bit more about your system before you go ahead. What make and gcc are, how to extract archives, how to compile, etc. |
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| 11:28.59 | fengor | no sp0rk |
| 11:29.08 | AdamPal | sp0rk: From what I can see here, I would really advise you not to try and compile your own kernel, as it WILL NOT WORK! |
| 11:29.12 | sp0rk | lol AdamPal, i know how to make, gcc and extract lol |
| 11:29.17 | kensho | vchrizz: i suppose, the fastest driver for ati boards is fglrx :) |
| 11:29.19 | sp0rk | LOL |
| 11:29.37 | sp0rk | AdamPal, i use gentoo for over 4years...i'm just a bit new into the debian things...i want portage in it :p |
| 11:29.38 | fengor | sp0rk: i stopped helping ppl to shoot themselves in the foot |
| 11:29.41 | wols_ | sp0rk: if you are stumped at a missing make mcommand, I doubt you have much clue about programming |
| 11:30.01 | AdamPal | Well, afaik 'make' exists the same in debian as it probably does in just about every linux distribution |
| 11:30.04 | wols_ | or even compiling a kernel |
| 11:30.07 | AdamPal | So I don't really see that as much of an excuse |
| 11:30.32 | AdamPal | sp0rk: Give it up and go play frisbee in the park |
| 11:30.39 | AdamPal | sp0rk: PLEASE don't try and compile this kernel |
| 11:30.54 | sp0rk | go fok yourself |
| 11:30.55 | sp0rk | noob |
| 11:30.56 | wols_ | AdamPal: why not? it's a way to actually learn something |
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| 11:31.08 | wols_ | SP-work: *plonk* |
| 11:31.15 | oober | wols_, what package contains tcpclient? |
| 11:31.19 | AdamPal | wols_: Of course, but it should be reserved until the user knows 'make' 'gcc' and 'tar' |
| 11:31.22 | wols_ | !tell oober about search |
| 11:31.26 | wols_ | oober: pdo is your friend |
| 11:32.04 | wols_ | !tell oober about pdo |
| 11:32.19 | eisen | it's not difficult to compile a kernel. I never really understood all the mystery people see in it. |
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| 11:33.01 | |DuReX| | héhé eisen :p |
| 11:33.06 | |DuReX| | why i get an error then ? :( |
| 11:33.08 | wols_ | eisen: it constantly amazes me how little, even the heavy computer users, actually know about computing |
| 11:33.17 | |DuReX| | http://paste.debian.net/28081 |
| 11:33.19 | |DuReX| | :( |
| 11:33.19 | wols_ | simple logical thinking is missing. all they know is basically rote learning |
| 11:33.24 | liable | its not mysterious at all, it just sucks when people want us to fix there config when its their hardware |
| 11:33.27 | eisen | customizing it so that it works to your liking is a different matter, but it has nothing to do with the actual compiling process |
| 11:33.34 | AdamPal | People, if the guy can't gcc, make or tar, believe me he can't compile and install a working kernel |
| 11:33.47 | eisen | it's about reading the option descriptions mostly |
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| 11:33.53 | fengor | its not the compile or isntall that worries me |
| 11:34.00 | fengor | actually its more the configuring step |
| 11:34.09 | fengor | thats where most people mess up |
| 11:34.15 | eisen | well, tar is obviously necessary, but you don't need to know shit about gcc |
| 11:34.25 | AdamPal | It really helps |
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| 11:34.52 | wols_ | AdamPal: nah. as soon as gcc fucks up or is even seen, 99,99% of people are totally lost anyways |
| 11:35.01 | eisen | that much is true. But if the build fails you better get other sources |
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| 11:35.02 | fengor | i cant work gcc either without cosntantly reading the man pages AdamPal andi installed dozens of custom build kernels in my younger days |
| 11:35.10 | wols_ | and if you see a gcc error, then imho it's the kernel dev who fucked up, not the one who compiles the kernel :) |
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| 11:35.38 | AdamPal | hm ok |
| 11:35.41 | dondelelcaro | could be either, actually. |
| 11:35.42 | rhalff | anyone uses php5-imagick ? seems a bit like a rotten package, crashes without notice |
| 11:35.51 | wols_ | dunker: a GPF is a kernel bug or hardware failure, pure and simple |
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| 11:36.08 | dondelelcaro | it's php; what did you expect? |
| 11:38.45 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: isn't it a bit early there? |
| 11:39.00 | wols_ | abrotman: why? did hemove to asia? |
| 11:39.08 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: yeah, it's 4:40 |
| 11:39.12 | abrotman | wols_: see! |
| 11:39.20 | wols_ | dondelelcaro: wth are you? |
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| 11:39.35 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i assume you're still up .. and not just waking up early :) |
| 11:39.38 | dondelelcaro | wols_: -0700 |
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| 11:39.45 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: still up; I woke up really late, actually |
| 11:39.49 | abrotman | ah ok |
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| 11:39.55 | abrotman | sounds like a vicious cycle :) |
| 11:41.12 | annoia | I wish to have one internet line which has a good upstream connection, and then two or three lines with good downstream connections, but poor upstream connections. Is it possible to bundle these lines in such a way, that the upstream is routed mainly through the upstream line, while the downstream goes through the other lines? |
| 11:41.20 | abrotman | isn't that a bit rough on your work schedule ? |
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| 11:41.45 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: I'm a graduate student; I work when I'm in the lab |
| 11:41.59 | penma | hm, my debian is a bit fucked up. |
| 11:42.00 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: ah .. i thought you were teaching/TAing classes too |
| 11:42.12 | penma | in either case my mouse will only move horizontzally on X |
| 11:42.33 | penma | and in other case X works fine but then all TTYs except the first one are dead and don't respond to anything |
| 11:42.48 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: usually I am, but this quarter I'm not |
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| 11:44.09 | abrotman | ah .. ok |
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| 11:44.29 | rhalff | who wanna make me coffee.. |
| 11:44.43 | wols_ | annoia: no. not unless all your internet connections work together (support from all the ISPs, which you never get) |
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| 11:45.02 | annoia | wols_ - Well, it's the same ISP... But how would that work? |
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| 11:45.28 | redrain | Hi, It seems etch doesn't care about /etc/network/interfaces file. I want to use static IP for my nic eth0. I configured interfaces file. But I get a dynamic IP with different nic adress (eth1 to eth8). How can I configure my nic on etch? |
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| 11:46.35 | wols_ | annoia: the way it works for sat connections which often use normal modems as upstream connection |
| 11:47.34 | abrotman | redrain: paste your interfaces file somewhere |
| 11:47.34 | abrotman | !paste |
| 11:47.34 | dpkg | somebody said paste was Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC or if those are not working, ask me about <pastebin> for other options |
| 11:47.35 | wols_ | redrain: with interfaces. paste the file somewhere |
| 11:47.35 | wols_ | annoia: basically you need special software to run on both ends, ISP and your end |
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| 11:47.42 | Fennec | Hey. I've got what appears to be a relatively standard little installation of Etch in a VMware virtual machine. It's operating mostly-normal-like, but I'm running into an issue where it's decided that certain keys like ' and ` and " are special, and that if I type 's I must want an s with an accent on top. Internationalization, obviously, useful to some, but how do I turn it off? |
| 11:47.57 | annoia | wols_ - Ok... I hoped it would be possible to just rewrite the tcp headers, so it would appear they came from the other connection... |
| 11:48.06 | AdamPal | Fennec: Is your clock working correctly out of interest? |
| 11:48.09 | penma | Fennec: seems like you are using a nodeadkeys layout |
| 11:48.16 | redrain | abrotman, wols_: http://pastebin.ca/491025 |
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| 11:48.30 | Fennec | AdamPal- It was messed up at first, but I think I fixed it last night; lemme check. :P |
| 11:48.39 | AdamPal | I bet it's messed up again... :-) |
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| 11:48.59 | Fennec | no, it's still good |
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| 11:49.03 | wols_ | annoia: load balancing or interface bundling is rarely easy |
| 11:49.03 | AdamPal | hmmm I'm surprised |
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| 11:49.16 | AdamPal | debian 4.0 + kernel 2.6.x + SMP + vmware = broken clock for me |
| 11:49.19 | Fennec | penma- hmm. interesting. I picked US English International (no dead keys) |
| 11:49.31 | AdamPal | Every real second takes about 3 seconds on the system clock |
| 11:49.37 | penma | Fennec: then right, then you can't combine that special chars |
| 11:49.50 | annoia | wols_ - Yes, I'm working on that now... It works, I just have some problems getting routing to work with it also. |
| 11:49.55 | abrotman | redrain: you don't have a script in your init.d running pump or dhclient ? |
| 11:49.59 | Fennec | penma- but I'm typing 's and I still get the little accented s. |
| 11:50.09 | penma | oh |
| 11:50.11 | Fennec | actually, strike that |
| 11:50.11 | penma | new layout active? |
| 11:50.21 | Fennec | I'm using (with dead keys) after all, that was cut off |
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| 11:50.40 | penma | deadkeys enabled = yo ucan combine the chars |
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| 11:51.02 | redrain | abrotman, grep "dhclient" -R /etc/init.d/* gives nothing |
| 11:51.12 | abrotman | and pump ? |
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| 11:51.31 | redrain | abrotman, It's same, nothing |
| 11:51.35 | Fennec | okay. now if I could find one without them enabled... |
| 11:51.57 | abrotman | redrain: if you restart networking (/etc/init.d/networking restart) .. does it get the static IP ? |
| 11:52.26 | annoia | wols_ - Somehow it only works, if I have a default gw... When I have it choose between two, I just don't get any routing :( |
| 11:52.27 | HostilePenguin | should i use samba to share files between linux pc's i |
| 11:52.33 | redrain | abrotman, No, ıt's strange because when I do it it gives error: eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
| 11:53.12 | Fennec | the default seemed to be 'Germany Eliminate Dead Keys' and I think that had mapped - to the little B/ss/whatever character. I've tried the English ones but none seem to be deadkeyless. Is there anything I can install for more layouts without deadkeys? |
| 11:53.19 | abrotman | redrain: uhm .. does ifconfig -a show it ? |
| 11:53.27 | abrotman | HostilePenguin: samba is fine .. or nfs |
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| 11:53.48 | wols_ | annoia: of course you need a default gw |
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| 11:54.10 | wols_ | annoia: if you want to split your default gw, then you need to rewrite yout tcp stack |
| 11:54.12 | redrain | abrotman, ifconfig -a now shows eth8. As I said, every reboot I get different nic label |
| 11:54.24 | abrotman | redrain: sounds like udev hates you :) |
| 11:54.27 | annoia | wols_ - But then why does it work from the machine locally? |
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| 11:55.20 | wols_ | define "does work" |
| 11:55.25 | redrain | abrotman, Yes. in /etc/udev/rules.d/z45_persistent-net-generator.rules there are 8 label defined (eth0 to eth8) |
| 11:55.28 | wols_ | a network always involves more than one machine |
| 11:55.43 | abrotman | redrain: you're going to have to dig into the udev docs a bit and see how to stop that from happening |
| 11:56.01 | annoia | wols_ - I can ping machines on the internet, and through traceroute I can see that it goes through different gateways at different times. But it doesn't work when I try to use that machine as a gateway unless I set a default gw. |
| 11:56.05 | Fennec | (and by 'seem to work' I mean 'type a 's as a ' and an s instead of an accented s) |
| 11:56.07 | redrain | abrotman, Thanks... |
| 11:56.18 | annoia | .. From other machines, that is |
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| 11:56.58 | annoia | wols_ - I have followed this guide: http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html |
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| 12:10.22 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 12:10.22 | dpkg | <abrotman> nt pattern matches my left testicle |
| 12:10.27 | abrotman | that's not fair |
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| 12:12.44 | bzed | abrotman: linux is dead! |
| 12:12.46 | bzed | http://www.bangkokpost.com/090507_Database/09May2007_data05.php |
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| 12:13.07 | abrotman | hrm .. news from bangkok ... read it on the internet .. must be true |
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| 12:14.36 | hark | !cookie abrotman |
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| 12:16.50 | Toyd | !fairytale |
| 12:17.03 | Toyd | how do i get the fairytalke link? |
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| 12:17.16 | Hotwire | anyone know of an rss feed that posts when a package is migrated from unstable to testing (debian)? |
| 12:17.18 | Toyd | !fairytale |
| 12:17.26 | Toyd | !help |
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| 12:17.54 | abrotman | !fable |
| 12:17.54 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/TheFable? |
| 12:17.56 | abrotman | that one ? |
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| 12:22.54 | Toyd | thanks :D |
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| 12:25.14 | eifzon | whats the system recuirements to run a server in debian? |
| 12:25.25 | solemnwarning | I've got homedirs in /var, what would be better out of symlinking /home to /var/home or using mount bind? |
| 12:25.45 | CaT[tm] | 64meg of ram and 250meg of hd. any cpu. |
| 12:25.56 | CaT[tm] | well 486+ for an intel cpu |
| 12:26.26 | eifzon | CaT[tm]: ok, what debian inst shall i get then |
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| 12:26.40 | CaT[tm] | i use the netinstall cds. |
| 12:26.49 | eifzon | so shall i take it? :O |
| 12:27.00 | CaT[tm] | take it? |
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| 12:27.11 | eifzon | download it.. |
| 12:27.25 | CaT[tm] | if you wish to use it. |
| 12:27.27 | eifzon | CaT[tm]: you know anything about "ubuntu server" ? |
| 12:27.36 | CaT[tm] | this is #debian :) |
| 12:27.46 | eifzon | but isnt ubuntu Debians brother? ); |
| 12:27.50 | CaT[tm] | #ubuntu is thataway *points* |
| 12:28.09 | eifzon | ^^ |
| 12:29.07 | CaT[tm] | even twins are similar, yet different. |
| 12:29.20 | abrotman | a 486 and 24MB of RAM and about 300MB HDD |
| 12:29.27 | CaT[tm] | if you have questions about ubuntu you'd best ask those who hang around with it. |
| 12:29.44 | CaT[tm] | abrot: I was wondering about the ram... :) |
| 12:29.55 | tarzeau | better if you have 64mb |
| 12:30.16 | annoia | Using this guide: http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html, I have set up load balancing on my firewall. When using this the firewall can switch between connections seamlessly, it works, and everything is great. However, when I then try to use the firewall as a gateway, I don't get any connection. I do get a connection, if I set a default gw, but then it will only use that one connection. Any ideas what I'm missing? |
| 12:31.04 | abrotman | more RAM is always better :) |
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| 12:31.30 | tarzeau | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:31.50 | abrotman | hack the planet ? |
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| 12:36.47 | davi | Is there some repository to install emacs 22.0.x on Debian etch? |
| 12:37.04 | HostilePenguin | anyway aptitude can tell me waht date a package was installed? |
| 12:37.20 | Ronin | davi: normally its apt-get install emacs or backports if you need a newer version thats in stable |
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| 12:38.00 | davi | Ronin, what is the URI of backports? |
| 12:38.36 | tsw | hi, I have one amd athlon 64 vps machine which is running -486 kernel (installed by hosting company) if I say apt-get install linux-image-2.6-amd64 will it boot back up? |
| 12:38.39 | dondelelcaro | davi: first off, please only ask in one #debian, not both |
| 12:39.14 | davi | sorry the other channel did not reply accurately |
| 12:39.19 | abchirk | CAn I install a 32bit browser on debian 64bit? |
| 12:39.27 | Ronin | !backports |
| 12:39.27 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
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| 12:39.44 | davi | thanks Ronin |
| 12:39.58 | Ronin | now theres still no guarantee that its there :) |
| 12:40.00 | dondelelcaro | davi: second, 22 has not released yet; there is a -snapshot package, but that has not been backported. |
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| 12:40.29 | davi | dondelelcaro, ah, OK. thanks |
| 12:40.30 | abrotman | HostilePenguin: /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 12:40.45 | abrotman | abchirk: ina chroot |
| 12:41.17 | abchirk | mhh abrotman but I could start 32bit Xprograms in my 64 bit X? |
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| 12:42.39 | dondelelcaro | abchirk: only if you're using multiarch or have a 32bit chroot and have bind mounted /tmp |
| 12:42.47 | dondelelcaro | (and possibly /home too) |
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| 12:43.25 | abchirk | mhh |
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| 12:43.37 | abchirk | coz of 64bit and flash :( |
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| 12:44.02 | abrotman | you could also try gnash |
| 12:44.38 | dondelelcaro | gnash works for some things |
| 12:44.38 | dondelelcaro | (and most flash is worthless anyways) |
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| 12:44.56 | abchirk | mhh yes but for some movies :) on youtube or else :) |
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| 12:45.22 | dondelelcaro | you don't need flash to see movies |
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| 12:45.49 | dondelelcaro | use videodownloader or similar with mplayer |
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| 12:46.05 | danilom | someone can do vampire with samba?? i receive the error cannot create workstation account, im using samba 3 of etch, and the pdc is a w2k3 |
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| 12:50.08 | abchirk | dondelelcaro but on websites? |
| 12:50.55 | RichiH | hrm |
| 12:51.11 | RichiH | is openssl able to interact with tcpa? |
| 12:51.45 | RichiH | both linux and windows |
| 12:52.41 | __bmgz__ | Hi all, I recently upgraded to etch, my time is now 2hrs ahead, I am using ntpdate hwclock in a cronjob is there a dpkg-reconfigure I can do to set my pc to UTC time or whatever? |
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| 12:54.05 | NetEcho | try setting your BIOS clock properly |
| 12:54.15 | NetEcho | unless it already is |
| 12:54.34 | NetEcho | I had a problem along those lines before |
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| 13:13.20 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps who has played with gnome baker? |
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| 13:14.17 | bbelt16ag | ok i didnt see a dvd movie selection |
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| 13:44.25 | fqh | dfdf |
| 13:44.49 | Ronin | same to you fqh |
| 13:45.24 | Ronin | !tell HaHaWhatsUp about root |
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| 13:46.43 | cydork | Maerz: afaik squid can do That.. |
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| 13:49.04 | Optic | hey, i have a question about etch :) |
| 13:49.07 | Maerz | ty |
| 13:49.21 | Ronin | Optic: then you best ask it |
| 13:49.33 | Optic | I installed etch on a box, then made a disk image, and the put the disk image on another computer |
| 13:49.40 | Optic | when I booted, I had eth1 instead of eth0 |
| 13:50.03 | Optic | then i made a disk image of that box, and installed it on a third computer, and i had eth2 instead of eth1 |
| 13:50.16 | Optic | what's going on? where does it store that state? I assume it's basing it on the mac address or something |
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| 13:50.35 | JosefAssad | is that like chinese whispers but with dd? |
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| 13:50.48 | dondelelcaro | Optic: you want to remove /etc/udev/rules.d/z25-persistent-net.rules, or otherwise fix it |
| 13:51.03 | Optic | dondelelcaro: thank you very much |
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| 13:51.11 | dondelelcaro | and in general, using disk images is a crappy way to install Debian |
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| 13:51.29 | Optic | dondelelcaro: I need to install a hundred identical machines, what would you recommend? |
| 13:51.49 | dondelelcaro | Optic: using fai |
| 13:51.51 | VImtermute | oy |
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| 13:51.55 | roland_ | hi |
| 13:51.56 | dondelelcaro | (or preseeding, or similar) |
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| 13:52.07 | Optic | what's fai? |
| 13:52.11 | dondelelcaro | !fai |
| 13:52.11 | dpkg | from memory, fai is Fully Automatic Installation for debian at http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ or at #fai |
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| 13:52.40 | dondelelcaro | roland_: do you have a static address? |
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| 13:52.56 | roland_ | dondelelcaro: i have a static addres for the router yes |
| 13:53.24 | dondelelcaro | roland_: then install bind9 or similar, and set up the zones file. There are howtos on how to write zone files and configure bind |
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| 13:53.25 | Optic | dondel: i will look into it for the next interation :) |
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| 13:53.35 | Optic | thanks |
| 13:53.40 | roland_ | i installed bind9 and i look into /etc |
| 13:53.41 | Optic | it looks good |
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| 13:55.44 | Optic | hmm, i'm a bit surprised stuff gets written to /etc on boot :) |
| 13:55.50 | atealtha | roland_: don't forget to forward the web and mail ports |
| 13:56.49 | roland_ | yes |
| 13:56.52 | roland_ | i did that |
| 13:57.03 | roland_ | atealtha: i have /etc/bind/<domain>.zone |
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| 13:57.14 | roland_ | like /etc/bind/assa-electronic.zone |
| 13:57.17 | roland_ | now i modify it |
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| 13:58.03 | roland_ | my domain is assa-electronic.ro |
| 13:58.05 | dondelelcaro | Optic: lots of stuff is written to /etc, actually. |
| 13:58.17 | Optic | i guess bind writes there by default |
| 13:58.48 | TbbW | oh anyone know hot to switch the codepage of the file browser that comes by default with gnome in debian etch ? |
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| 13:59.15 | TbbW | some foldernames from a previus installation got some swedish characters ( åäö ) all wrong |
| 13:59.37 | roland_ | assa-electronic.ro.zone <- this is good name for my zone file ? |
| 13:59.44 | roland_ | pls |
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| 14:00.10 | dondelelcaro | roland_: that's fine |
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| 14:00.50 | roland_ | tnx |
| 14:00.54 | roland_ | now im editing it |
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| 14:06.44 | roland_ | SOA in my zone file is my nameserver ? |
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| 14:07.57 | dondelelcaro | roland_: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/DNS-HOWTO-5.html |
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| 14:17.24 | Optic | dondelelcaro: adding an rm -rf /etc/udev/rules.d/* to my pre-image prep script seems to have solved my problems for now! :) thanks |
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| 14:17.43 | dondelelcaro | Optic: uh... that's not what you want to do at *all*. |
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| 14:19.27 | befree | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:19.54 | Optic | eek, I think you're right :) |
| 14:20.09 | Optic | time to read more docs ;) |
| 14:20.12 | Ronin | thanks befree :) |
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| 14:25.15 | Optic | dondelelcaro: i probably just want to remove /etc/udev/rules.d/z25-persistent-net.rules |
| 14:25.27 | Optic | which is automatically generated |
| 14:26.29 | dondelelcaro | Optic: yerp |
| 14:26.42 | Optic | hehe |
| 14:26.45 | Optic | thanks for the slap |
| 14:26.46 | Optic | phew |
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| 14:27.06 | roland_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:27.07 | roland_ | tnx |
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| 14:29.16 | Spliffster | i want some filename extensions to amtch an existing mime-type. where would i configure this to take effect on the whole system? |
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| 14:30.12 | nzk | Whats the package name for RoR |
| 14:30.47 | jelly | nzk: rails? |
| 14:31.06 | nzk | Ruby on Rails |
| 14:31.09 | jelly | !tell nzk about search |
| 14:31.23 | wols_ | Spliffster: /etc/mime.types ? |
| 14:31.31 | nzk | I know about search |
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| 14:31.57 | wols_ | then why didn't you use it? |
| 14:32.12 | jelly | nzk: you seemed to be unable to type "apt-cache search ruby on rails" |
| 14:32.21 | nzk | I did |
| 14:32.28 | nzk | But theres no backscrooll |
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| 14:33.14 | Ronin | nzk: then pause the search |
| 14:33.20 | jelly | add "| less " to the command line |
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| 14:33.24 | wols_ | do you know about the wonders of "less"? |
| 14:33.30 | nzk | No |
| 14:33.42 | rvsjoen_ | apt-cache search ruby | grep ^ruby |
| 14:33.57 | rvsjoen_ | should give you the interesting hits |
| 14:33.58 | jelly | rvsjoen_: that won't find rails |
| 14:34.17 | cydork | rvsjoen_: why do you think the package name starts with ruby? |
| 14:34.18 | rvsjoen_ | well ^rails then |
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| 14:35.24 | rvsjoen_ | I was wrong, thought about the ruby language |
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| 14:35.51 | jelly | the framework is called "Rails" |
| 14:35.54 | moauud | i have Debian 4 etch and i have problem with ntfs i connot mount ntfs |
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| 14:36.30 | wols_ | mount -t ntfs /dev/sda2 /mnt |
| 14:36.32 | wols_ | done |
| 14:37.11 | roland_ | whats the package name for nslookup command? |
| 14:37.14 | roland_ | and dig |
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| 14:37.22 | wols_ | !tell roland_ about search |
| 14:37.58 | bolbol | this command rsync -a -r -v --numeric-ids -e 'ssh -p REMOTE_PATH' --delete REMOTE_USER@REMOTE_HOST:REMOTE_PATH |
| 14:38.07 | roland_ | i have the host package installed but no nslookup or dig commands |
| 14:38.10 | roland_ | on the system |
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| 14:38.12 | bolbol | copy all file from REMOTE_PATH into my current directory isn't it ? |
| 14:38.13 | h3sp4wn | dnsutils has nslookup but it was supposed to be depreciated ages and ages ago |
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| 14:38.28 | kubrick | roland_: dnsutils |
| 14:38.34 | jelly | roland_: "host" is preferred to nslookup these days, at least on Linux |
| 14:39.34 | roland_ | i need to tell the registrars dns server about my own dns server for my registered domain right? |
| 14:39.40 | roland_ | to get it working.. perhaps trough webform |
| 14:39.46 | roland_ | and they ask for my dns ip |
| 14:40.03 | roland_ | wich will be a router that forwards queries to the private ip address pc |
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| 14:40.04 | Spliffster | wols_: ty i wasn't sure |
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| 14:40.32 | roland_ | does it sound ok how i said ? |
| 14:40.50 | Spliffster | wols_: there is also an /etc/mime-magic |
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| 14:42.05 | wols_ | roland_: you simply give it an IP which runs a DNS server for your domain. no routing |
| 14:43.32 | roland_ | wols_ : i cant , my dns server (Wich also acts as web and mail ) is behind a router wich has a static ip address from the cable modem of the isp, but the dns server is using private ip address, so i told the router to port forward tcp/udp ports 53 for name queries |
| 14:43.48 | wols_ | sure |
| 14:44.14 | roland_ | forward tehm to 192.168.0.8 |
| 14:44.15 | roland_ | wich will be dns |
| 14:44.17 | wols_ | but DNS doesn't care how you do it. all it cares about an IP which has port 53 open and acts as auth DNS servre for the domain |
| 14:44.25 | roland_ | yeah ok |
| 14:44.34 | Fennec | yeah. the forwarding is transparent to everyone else. |
| 14:44.43 | roland_ | i use webform to tell registrar about my dns server so i will use router's public ip address |
| 14:44.47 | roland_ | ok tnx |
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| 14:46.28 | roland_ | the SOA is my primary nameserver right? |
| 14:46.34 | roland_ | wich is authoritative for my domain |
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| 14:47.43 | roland_ | so how does my registrar's dns server relate to my domain ? when a query is made it forwards it to my dns server.. since they dont host customer's dns records on their dns |
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| 14:48.35 | roland_ | im talking bullshit ? |
| 14:48.42 | stoned | are you? |
| 14:49.04 | rahul | are you upset about the bullshit you are talking? |
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| 14:49.16 | roland_ | well if the registrar asks for a dns ip address for my domain. then its not bullshit what i said |
| 14:49.17 | stoned | rahul: why are you awake ? |
| 14:49.26 | rahul | stoned: because I AM ALIVE!!! |
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| 14:49.30 | stoned | :D |
| 14:49.33 | rahul | heh |
| 14:49.33 | stoned | I just heard that song |
| 14:49.35 | roland_ | if they would host the records i wouldnt need to provide my dns ip |
| 14:49.39 | rahul | which song? |
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| 14:49.44 | stoned | godsmack, awake |
| 14:49.48 | rahul | oh, right |
| 14:49.53 | rahul | hehehe |
| 14:49.58 | stoned | roland_: so what exactly is your issue? |
| 14:50.09 | Fennec | I think that the root nameservers keep a record of the DNS servers for all the domains. The registrar is responsible for getting it in there. Then you query an ISP DNS server, which queries and caches the result and gives it to you. no? |
| 14:50.16 | Fennec | something like that. |
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| 14:51.43 | abrotman | ask #dns ? |
| 14:51.50 | Fennec | good idea. :) |
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| 14:52.20 | Fennec | it's ultimately not important to actually setting things up at this point, I think. :) |
| 14:54.16 | stoned | I gotta be at work at 1:30pm. I'm gonna go watch a movie before I have to get ready. |
| 14:54.19 | stoned | later |
| 14:55.51 | Fennec | wow, it's... before noon. that's a lot earlier than it feels like. |
| 14:56.39 | yang | can fsck -A /dev/hdax be run with a mounted filesystem? |
| 14:57.29 | abrotman | it could .. it's really not recommended .. or a good idea |
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| 14:59.16 | yang | abrotman: also a normal user has permissions to execute fsck (and damage the system?) |
| 14:59.17 | holycow | *hmmm* |
| 14:59.29 | holycow | my network applet shows a lot of network activity but no cpu activity |
| 14:59.44 | holycow | how would i check what is going on over eth0? |
| 14:59.55 | cahoot | iptraf f ex |
| 14:59.57 | rahul | iptraf |
| 15:00.00 | yang | holycow: install iptraf |
| 15:00.15 | liable | iptraf! |
| 15:00.21 | liable | !win me |
| 15:00.22 | dpkg | Congratulations, liable! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 15:00.23 | holycow | danke! |
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| 15:01.13 | holycow | oh |
| 15:01.24 | holycow | this is one of those *oooooh* *aaaaahhh* applications |
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| 15:01.31 | holycow | superb, thanks very muchly! |
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| 15:01.42 | FatMan | <FatMan> www.fat-man.org i weigh 400 puonds and you can see video of my supreme fatness |
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| 15:02.36 | RichiH | FatMan: uh? |
| 15:02.48 | JosefAssad | em... |
| 15:03.01 | RichiH | he spammed several channels *shrug* |
| 15:03.18 | gypsymauro | I need to transfer many files at night (up to 2 Gb) through network, the file are almost the same, I need just to trasfer the modified file, what the best way? rsync, unison or what else? |
| 15:03.21 | RichiH | makes it easier on the both of us ;) |
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| 15:04.15 | RichiH | gypsymauro: rsync should work |
| 15:04.24 | holycow | yeah we do the same with rsync |
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| 15:05.32 | drewh | is FAI still the best method for kickstart like installs of debian? |
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| 15:06.49 | dondelelcaro | drewh: it's one method; preseeding is another |
| 15:07.37 | holycow | dondelelcaro, what is the other? |
| 15:07.43 | nwonknu- | interest |
| 15:07.51 | drewh | is preseeding better? more features? |
| 15:08.07 | dondelelcaro | drewh: it's just built into the installer, so it tends to be more straight forward |
| 15:08.21 | drewh | Thanks! I'll read up on it... |
| 15:08.42 | Optic | i guess I should package my softare as debian packages |
| 15:08.59 | Optic | then it should be pretty easy to use one of these automated installer thingers :) |
| 15:09.02 | dondelelcaro | it's not as featureful as fai, but if all of the configuration you need to do is in debconf variables, it'll do everything you want |
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| 15:10.17 | holycow | we have setup just generic images for our machines |
| 15:10.50 | holycow | and they contain some basic 'call home' features that will later be used to download whatever software and instructions they will need |
| 15:11.33 | cahoot | holycow: sounds like something patented by microsoft |
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| 15:11.54 | AndyCR | hi |
| 15:12.03 | RichiH | !tell SportChick about ep |
| 15:12.18 | AndyCR | someone told me the answer to this, at least partly, earlier, but I do not know it at this point |
| 15:12.26 | JosefAssad | why so? Sounds like a reasonable arrangement for remote client machines where there is institutional client software which needs to be propagated automatically |
| 15:12.30 | AndyCR | what packages do I need to get ipw3945 working? |
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| 15:12.42 | AndyCR | i'll be doing a networkless install and need them on a usb key |
| 15:13.06 | SportChick | I never even *said* anything :( |
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| 15:14.09 | dondelelcaro | AndyCR: the appropriate ipw3945-modules- package for the kernel you're going to install |
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| 15:14.44 | Decepticon | hallo im running debian etch. when i go into place -> network servers on the gnome panel to see the other computers on the network, i see a bunch and when i try to click any computer to see their shares i see error: The folder contents cannot be displayed. Sorry, couldn't display all the contents of "Windows Network: liz" . why cant i browse the computers? i can browse my own computer though |
| 15:14.55 | AndyCR | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 15:15.12 | dondelelcaro | AndyCR: firmware-ipw3945, and ipw3945d |
| 15:15.31 | AndyCR | how would i know which kernel i will install before i install it, if i'm using the latest x86 dvd? |
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| 15:16.12 | dondelelcaro | because you'd look at the package lists for stable and see? |
| 15:16.25 | dondelelcaro | (or whatever version of Debian you're installing) |
| 15:17.15 | AndyCR | ah, ok thanks |
| 15:17.20 | liable | and also the headers for your kernel, and b-e and m-a |
| 15:17.33 | liable | or at least b-e |
| 15:17.38 | AndyCR | how do I find the .debs for the packages? for instance, trying to get it from http://packages.debian.org/stable/net/ipw3945d only seems to provide source packages |
| 15:17.40 | liable | +headers |
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| 15:18.47 | dondelelcaro | AndyCR: click on the i386 or amd64 link |
| 15:18.53 | AndyCR | ahhh thanks |
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| 15:20.04 | vyrus001 | when i select things from console i cant paste them into x11 applications, but i can copy from x11 apps and paste into console... how do i fix this? |
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| 15:20.47 | AndyCR | it says it depends on |
| 15:20.49 | AndyCR | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:21.09 | AndyCR | does that mean it is built into the kernel, or does it mean I have to hunt somewhere else for it because they don't have it? |
| 15:21.19 | daquino | whats an easy option for me to install and run debian side by side iwth my current linux so i can slowly switch over ? |
| 15:23.04 | liable | AndyCR: snapshot.debian.net |
| 15:23.05 | dondelelcaro | AndyCR: that's provided by linux-image-2.6.18-4-486 |
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| 15:23.16 | AndyCR | ah thanks |
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| 15:23.19 | AndyCR | ok, well, ill put this on a usb key and install debian |
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| 15:23.36 | liable | dont forget your building stuff |
| 15:23.37 | AndyCR | darn me for not making a seperate home partition, switching distros would be much easier if i had |
| 15:23.41 | AndyCR | building stuff? |
| 15:23.57 | liable | you need gcc for ipw3945-source |
| 15:24.11 | AndyCR | oh, i assumed debian included gcc by default |
| 15:24.15 | liable | nope |
| 15:24.23 | AndyCR | i dont need it if i just use the default packages, right? |
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| 15:24.29 | AndyCR | only if i build from source? |
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| 15:24.38 | liable | you really want all the shit supplied by build-essential |
| 15:24.51 | liable | actually |
| 15:24.59 | liable | theres modules for it now? |
| 15:25.27 | liable | ah, there is |
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| 15:25.31 | AndyCR | yeah, i think. ipw3945-modules-kernelnamehere |
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| 15:25.42 | liable | AndyCR: ignore me, you can just get the modules package |
| 15:25.56 | AndyCR | ah ok thanks |
| 15:26.01 | AndyCR | anything else special i need? |
| 15:26.26 | liable | wireless-tools |
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| 15:26.37 | AndyCR | oh, right, thanks |
| 15:26.42 | liable | dunno if thats on whatever installer you have |
| 15:27.15 | liable | wpasupplicant would be worth getting too. |
| 15:27.49 | liable | if you have a full iso, its prolly already there |
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| 15:29.37 | AndyCR | yeah full dvd1 iso |
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| 15:30.32 | liable | AndyCR: oh, you should have just about anything you need on that |
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| 15:31.18 | earthian | hello |
| 15:31.32 | earthian | xmms and gnome panel does not like each other |
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| 15:32.19 | AndyCR | excellent |
| 15:32.33 | earthian | The problem i am experiencing is: Window list, workspace list gnome applet crash if i right click on xmms task on the window list applet. |
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| 15:33.01 | chops | earthian: Checked the BTS? |
| 15:33.08 | earthian | no |
| 15:33.13 | chops | earthian: Check the BTS :-) |
| 15:33.21 | chops | earthian: If there's not a bug in there, I'd advise filing one |
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| 15:33.49 | earthian | and it appeared after couple of updates to gnome ... |
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| 15:33.52 | earthian | i will check |
| 15:33.55 | earthian | btw |
| 15:33.59 | earthian | what is BTS? :p |
| 15:34.07 | chops | !tell earthian about bts |
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| 15:34.31 | earthian | ok thanks. |
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| 15:36.17 | _E-bola | If i replaced my NIC on debian etch, should it automatially remove my old one and auto setup my new one? |
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| 15:36.22 | earthian | ok.. it is not that easy to use that BTS thing :( |
| 15:36.28 | earthian | cant find a thing |
| 15:36.31 | _E-bola | if i try to ifup eth0 it says no such device |
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| 15:36.35 | earthian | i.e. gnome+xmms or so |
| 15:36.55 | earthian | the search infact there is nonexistant :/ |
| 15:36.56 | cahoot | _E-bola: does dmesg report the new nic? |
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| 15:37.20 | liable | earthian: ifconfig -a says what? |
| 15:37.31 | liable | dont paste |
| 15:38.00 | _E-bola | cahoot: yep apears to reporting it as tulip0 |
| 15:38.00 | liable | stupid nicktab |
| 15:38.01 | cahoot | liable: you meant to speak to _E-bola ? |
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| 15:38.06 | earthian | lol |
| 15:38.16 | liable | cahoot: ya |
| 15:38.27 | cahoot | _E-bola: I suppose udev gave it that name |
| 15:38.29 | _E-bola | ifconfig -a reports lo and eth1 |
| 15:38.36 | _E-bola | and eth1 is empty with no addresses assigned |
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| 15:38.50 | earthian | and i dont have time to fk with it around for a hour.. got more important stuff to do. (NOTICE: fix the BTS user interface! so lazy people like me will find that they are looking for :/) |
| 15:38.53 | _E-bola | cahoot: since it says no such device can i asume it still thinks eth0 is my old device? |
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| 15:39.23 | liable | remove your old net_persitent_rules |
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| 15:39.35 | _E-bola | where do i find those? |
| 15:39.39 | cahoot | persistent-net.rules |
| 15:39.46 | liable | restart udev or preferably reboot |
| 15:39.55 | _E-bola | i did reboot after exchanging the nics |
| 15:40.01 | liable | i always get it wrong... |
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| 15:40.17 | liable | i think i am becoming dyslexic |
| 15:40.23 | cahoot | _E-bola: in /etc/udev/rules.d |
| 15:40.29 | pingouin | where are the stuff about "firewire" ? when i pluged a card (i can see it with lspci, and drivers with lsmod) but...where are the /dev/firewire ? |
| 15:40.54 | liable | pingouin: check dmesg to see what it called it |
| 15:41.03 | pingouin | ok liable thanks |
| 15:41.09 | _E-bola | z25-persistent-net.rules is that it cahoot? |
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| 15:41.14 | cahoot | right |
| 15:41.32 | cahoot | read it |
| 15:42.09 | _E-bola | it mentions 2 lines |
| 15:42.26 | _E-bola | both has tulip in paranthesis |
| 15:42.34 | klync | i'm using exim4 to deliver mail via my isp's relay as a smarthost, but it wants me to authenticate. i've googled and found some examples of how to put this into the mailer rule, but i'm wondering if there's a better, deb-specific way to do this in update-exim4.conf.conf |
| 15:42.45 | _E-bola | kinda weird, as far as i can tell they look right |
| 15:42.54 | liable | _E-bola: paste it |
| 15:43.00 | dondelelcaro | klync: are you just sending mail out? |
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| 15:43.31 | klync | dondelelcaro: incoming is fine, it's just outbound that's a problem |
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| 15:43.41 | abhi | can anyone tell me how to install 3d desktop in deb4? |
| 15:43.54 | dondelelcaro | klync: ah, ok; was going to suggest just using nullmailer, but since you're receiving mail, nevermind. |
| 15:44.37 | lepton | klync: can you configure your mail client to do smtp+auth? |
| 15:44.44 | _E-bola | cahoot: i rebooted and removed the file |
| 15:44.47 | _E-bola | now it generated a new one |
| 15:45.51 | _E-bola | with much mroe content in it |
| 15:45.51 | _E-bola | ifup eth0 says the same though |
| 15:45.51 | cahoot | what name does udev give it? |
| 15:45.51 | klync | lepton: this is a mail gateway for my entire lan... i don't want individual clients to bypass it |
| 15:45.51 | _E-bola | ile reinstall |
| 15:45.51 | _E-bola | this was very special circomstances anyway |
| 15:45.51 | lepton | _E-bola: you can edit the file (carefully), and the association will persist across reboot |
| 15:46.01 | _E-bola | i installed it udner virtual pc 2007, and now tried to mvoe it to virtual server 2005 |
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| 15:46.05 | lepton | klync: ok |
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| 15:46.16 | _E-bola | thanks for the sugestions though |
| 15:46.22 | yos87 | Hi |
| 15:47.02 | yos87 | I have vlc media player it's working fine , but without sound, other media players can play sound, somebody can help me? |
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| 15:47.32 | cahoot | yos87: chosen wrong output - alsa vs oss |
| 15:47.57 | klync | well, dondelelcaro, lepton, you helped me refine my keywords for googling... found this: http://pkg-exim4.alioth.debian.org/README/README.Debian.html#smtp-auth |
| 15:48.49 | yos87 | cahoot: how to change to output? |
| 15:48.49 | ccamacho | after an update to my Xorg my xinerama stoped working... i have the log from X but I don't know how to solve it, does somebody can help me with this? please |
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| 15:49.25 | wols_ | !tell ccamacho about ask |
| 15:50.04 | cahoot | yos87: startvlc - run fuser -v /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/* - what kind of device is it accessing? |
| 15:50.18 | ccamacho | wols_: thanks |
| 15:51.10 | yos87 | cahoot: sorry, what startvlc? run fuser? I have the graphic vlc player |
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| 15:51.33 | cahoot | yos87: start vlc - run fuser -v /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/* in a terminal - what kind of device is it accessing? |
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| 15:55.42 | yos87 | cahoot: http://pastebin.ca/491299 |
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| 15:57.34 | cahoot | yos87: looks like esd is getting in the way |
| 15:57.38 | ccamacho | I am running Debian sid, after an update to my xserver to X Window System Version 1.3.0 the xinerama mode just stopped working (which I don't expect), I got Caught signal 11. Server aborting but I don't have any idea about what can be happening? does somebody know what could be happening? |
| 15:57.50 | Kunalagon | how to unistall just one package, without its dependecies ? |
| 15:58.00 | cahoot | yos87: maybe you ccan tell vlc to output to esd |
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| 15:59.20 | yos87 | cahoot: how to tell him? on edit>preferance>audio no output field |
| 15:59.41 | lepton | klync: sounds like you have a solution. have fun :) |
| 15:59.47 | cahoot | yos87: the sad truth is: I have never used vlc |
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| 16:00.33 | yos87 | cahoot: ok, Thank you for help |
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| 16:01.26 | klync | lepton: thx... still fiddling with it, but i'm making progress... appreciate the suggestions! |
| 16:02.02 | lepton | Kunalagon: can be done using dpkg with --ignore-xxx option. 'man dpkg' |
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| 16:02.57 | cidus | Hi to all |
| 16:03.20 | lvalue | hi, why is debian always way behind with the kernel releases? |
| 16:03.40 | aadil | coz u dont compile new ones! |
| 16:03.42 | aadil | ;p |
| 16:03.43 | lepton | because the maintainers are careful and patient |
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| 16:04.06 | cidus | I'm installed debian on arm platform, but when i lunch for exmple |
| 16:04.08 | lvalue | but does it has to do with stability or manhours ? |
| 16:04.19 | cidus | tuch /tmp/1 |
| 16:04.39 | cidus | return error |
| 16:04.41 | cidus | touch: setting times of `/tmp/2': Bad file descriptor |
| 16:04.43 | lepton | lvalue: nothing stopping you from being on the bleeding edge with kernel-package |
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| 16:05.17 | cidus | what can be |
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| 16:06.22 | muhoo | what are the relative advantages of specifying "unstable" vs. "sid" in sources.list? |
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| 16:06.38 | lvalue | lepton, well i'm currently running 2.6.21.1 but i wanted to know why debian is delaying the updates |
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| 16:07.11 | wols_ | muhoo: none. it's exactly the same and will always be the same |
| 16:07.15 | muhoo | thanks |
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| 16:07.29 | muhoo | 74 upgraded, 87 newly installed, 6 to remove and 1 not upgraded. |
| 16:07.32 | muhoo | :-) |
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| 16:08.15 | NefariousPrior | What command to I use to download all the required packages to build a certain package from source? |
| 16:08.20 | muhoo | i will see if gcc 4.2 solves a bunch of weird problems i've been having with c++ constructors and Std9BadAlloc |
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| 16:09.32 | wols_ | NefariousPrior: apt-gte |
| 16:09.36 | wols_ | apt-get |
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| 16:10.17 | nzk | !tell nzk about search |
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| 16:12.43 | yos87 | cahoot: how to know my audio device file name? dsa? or hdc? |
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| 16:13.12 | NefariousPrior | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:13.23 | wols_ | yos87: alsa or oss? |
| 16:13.31 | yos87 | oss mixer |
| 16:13.31 | cahoot | yos87: you shouldn't need to bother with that if you use alsa |
| 16:13.46 | yos87 | it's oss mixer i think |
| 16:14.03 | yos87 | because in the volume control it show: realtek alc883 (OSS Mixer) |
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| 16:15.03 | gigrrl | Is there some cmd that edits runlevels wo any graphical interface in Debian Etch ? |
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| 16:15.14 | gigrrl | This doesnt seem to exist update-rc.d |
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| 16:16.25 | ktwilight | gigrrl, there's sysv-rc-conf in ncurses |
| 16:16.34 | ktwilight | s/in/using |
| 16:17.19 | gigrrl | I need to alter runlevel inits using a non gui program |
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| 16:17.36 | cydork | gigrrl: update-rc.d doesn't exist?? |
| 16:17.41 | gigrrl | i can code in a custom runlevel editor but not what people likes |
| 16:17.50 | gigrrl | not on my etch... |
| 16:18.07 | cydork | gigrrl: you are missing sysv-rc then. |
| 16:18.14 | gigrrl | apt-get install update-rc.d .. ah |
| 16:18.19 | ktwilight | oh, without. my bad |
| 16:18.57 | chops | gigrrl: You probably want aptitude install sysv-rc |
| 16:18.58 | gigrrl | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 16:18.59 | gigrrl | E: Couldn't find package sysv-rc |
| 16:19.21 | chops | gigrrl: Hm, it does exist :-/ |
| 16:19.23 | cydork | gigrrl: bad repos? check your sourceslist. |
| 16:19.28 | gigrrl | k |
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| 16:19.40 | cydork | bahh s/sourceslist/sources.list/ |
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| 16:19.44 | gigrrl | cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:19.44 | gigrrl | # Add any local / 3rd party repositories here.. |
| 16:19.53 | gigrrl | hmm, no inet repo ? |
| 16:20.10 | gigrrl | give me something plz.. |
| 16:20.14 | cydork | !sources.list |
| 16:20.15 | dpkg | sources.list is, like, something like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free" where cc is your country code. see <mirrors>, /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list. also see <etch security>, or run "apt-get update" after editing sources.list in order to refresh your database |
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| 16:20.41 | gigrrl | cy.. cat your sources and pick base+updates |
| 16:20.44 | gigrrl | plz |
| 16:20.54 | cydork | gigrrl: read what dpkg said ^^ |
| 16:20.57 | gigrrl | im coding stuff and i dont wanna loose track |
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| 16:22.06 | gigrrl | i didnt have networking while installing Etch, maybe thats why |
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| 16:22.15 | gigrrl | still.. highly uncool |
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| 16:23.17 | gigrrl | why "non-free" in the example ? |
| 16:23.37 | chops | gigrrl: Because some people like non-free |
| 16:24.14 | gigrrl | chops: Oh, those |
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| 16:24.53 | gigrrl | deb http://ftp.<cc>... doesnt work |
| 16:25.09 | chops | <cc> is your country code, e.g. "us" |
| 16:25.09 | CyberTop | ciao a tutti |
| 16:25.21 | gigrrl | chops: do you belive they know to little or just wanna test ? |
| 16:25.21 | cydork | gigrrl: replace <cc> with you country code like it us |
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| 16:25.41 | gigrrl | cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:25.55 | chops | gigrrl: That sentence not sense I can sorry, make |
| 16:25.56 | gigrrl | deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian etch main contrib |
| 16:26.01 | gigrrl | doesnt work |
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| 16:26.37 | gigrrl | chops: how many chops in the neck from a woodpeckers peck :P |
| 16:26.49 | cydork | gigrrl: means what? did you do apt-get update? |
| 16:26.55 | gigrrl | yes |
| 16:26.55 | chops | gigrrl: !doesn't work |
| 16:27.06 | chops | !doesn't work |
| 16:27.06 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 16:27.10 | gigrrl | apt-get update |
| 16:27.10 | gigrrl | E: Type 'deb' is not known in on line 3 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 16:27.39 | chops | gigrrl: ! |
| 16:27.52 | gigrrl | This is funny because im taking extra care for the apps to work on debian.. |
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| 16:28.28 | chops | gigrrl: Can you pastebin your entire sources.list? 'deb' should definitely be a known type... |
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| 16:29.00 | gigrrl | Its 3 lines... cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:29.08 | gigrrl | # Add any local / 3rd party repositories here.. |
| 16:29.08 | gigrrl | deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian etch main contrib |
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| 16:30.05 | chops | gigrrl: Can you pastebin the entire sequence of catting /etc/apt/sources.list and doing 'apt-get update'? That error message doesn't make any sense at all to me. |
| 16:30.19 | ice9 | whats the cli command to restart |
| 16:30.22 | chops | gigrrl: Also, what's in /etc/debian_version? |
| 16:30.25 | stew | or at least show us line 3 |
| 16:30.27 | gigrrl | apt-get update |
| 16:30.27 | gigrrl | E: Type 'deb' is not known in on line 2 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:30.30 | cydork | gigrrl: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 16:30.30 | chops | ice9: Restart your computer? |
| 16:30.35 | ice9 | yeah |
| 16:30.40 | chops | ice9: sudo init 6 |
| 16:30.43 | ice9 | the command line way though |
| 16:30.46 | stew | ice9: reboot |
| 16:30.51 | ice9 | thx |
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| 16:30.56 | gigrrl | stew: i removed an empty line to fit it here |
| 16:30.59 | chops | !pastebin |
| 16:31.00 | dpkg | rumour has it, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.ca/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 16:31.13 | scott_ | Anyone know a program like top but for network usage? I installed one a while ago but I can't remember its name |
| 16:31.31 | stew | scott_: ntop? |
| 16:31.33 | gigrrl | pastebin is what i use when i have severe issues with some code.. |
| 16:31.39 | gigrrl | not 2-3 lines |
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| 16:32.39 | chops | gigrrl: *shrug* Up to you. Good luck. |
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| 16:32.55 | cydork | scott_: jnettop is also nice .. |
| 16:32.58 | scott_ | stew, nope |
| 16:33.14 | gigrrl | this is why Debian moved to another server i guess... thanks i guess |
| 16:34.21 | cydork | gigrrl: so that's not debian.. hehe i was wondering how come sysv-rc was missing. :P |
| 16:34.47 | gigrrl | cydork: Oh, it is.. |
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| 16:35.21 | gigrrl | cydork: i have 6 apps in debian i think |
| 16:35.53 | gigrrl | Hi Baahl, can you help ? |
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| 16:38.45 | gigrrl | Baahl: many trolls in here or a complete anti Debian squad maybe |
| 16:38.45 | dondelelcaro | gigrrl: uh... what is line 2 of /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:38.45 | gigrrl | ok, w8 |
| 16:38.46 | gigrrl | deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian etch main contrib |
| 16:38.46 | gigrrl | i added that just now as adviced |
| 16:38.46 | dondelelcaro | gigrrl: and what, pray tell, does dpkg -l apt-get libc6; show? |
| 16:38.46 | dondelelcaro | (I just need to know the versions) |
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| 16:38.59 | dondelelcaro | s/apt-get/apt/ |
| 16:39.01 | gigrrl | dpkg -l apt-get libc6 |
| 16:39.01 | gigrrl | bash: dpkg: command not found |
| 16:39.01 | dpkg | ii apt-get libc6 2.4-4 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 16:39.03 | gigrrl | Aww! |
| 16:39.18 | dondelelcaro | uh... yes, you're definetly not running Debian. |
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| 16:39.41 | gigrrl | scan me... its the firewall |
| 16:39.43 | dondelelcaro | if you have questions about apt, you need to ask in the support channel for your distribution, not here. |
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| 16:40.06 | amine | gigrrl, can u reask ur question ! |
| 16:40.11 | dondelelcaro | gigrrl: I don't need to scan you. If you don't have dpkg installed, you're not running Debian. |
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| 16:40.34 | dondelelcaro | (esp. considering the fact that dpkg is Essential: yes) |
| 16:40.55 | gigrrl | apt-get install dpkg |
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| 16:41.25 | amine | gigrrl, but apt-get install needs dpkg to work |
| 16:41.49 | jelly | amine: he's been silenced |
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| 16:42.32 | dondelelcaro | gigrrl: you're not using etch, or Debian. If you want to install debian, see instructions on www.debian.org. Finally, please do not /msg me. |
| 16:42.33 | amine | jelly, sorry i dont understand u |
| 16:43.17 | jelly | amine: "gigrrl" can't answer any more |
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| 16:43.48 | bahadunn | blah |
| 16:44.49 | chronotis | I'm using some perl software with Scalar::Util's weaken function, but etch's perl doesn't appear to have weaken. I've been told that etch now HAS weaken, though. Does anybody know about this, or know what I need to do to get it supported? |
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| 16:45.14 | dondelelcaro | chronotis: weaken has always been part of Scalar::Util |
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| 16:46.08 | yos87 | Hi, what is the package to convert swf to mp3? |
| 16:46.27 | chronotis | dondelelcare: right, but it supposedly used to be built without it in Debian. Or at least, lacks XS, which appears to be required |
| 16:47.07 | dondelelcaro | chronotis: it hasn't been built without it in recent memory; building a perl without XS or weaken would be horribly broken. |
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| 16:47.31 | dondelelcaro | chronotis: it'd be helpful instead of you provided more information on what actually was failing |
| 16:48.07 | moth | yos87: that question seems like asking what is the package to convert swf to txt -- swf is a program (and a proprietary one at that) |
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| 16:48.30 | grim76 | doh wrong panel |
| 16:49.15 | yos87 | moth: no, I have swf file, I wan't to convert it to mp3 or any audio file |
| 16:49.48 | tarzeau | abrotman: play bub-n-bros.sf.net ? |
| 16:50.06 | chronotis | dondelelcaro: well, this is the error being thrown: http://code.bulix.org/ti37jv-42177?raw |
| 16:50.09 | dondelelcaro | yos87: so use swfutils and swfextract or similar |
| 16:50.58 | dondelelcaro | chronotis: that sounds like RT::Action::Generic doesn't have a use Scalar::Util; |
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| 16:51.47 | chronotis | dondelelcaro: it has it |
| 16:51.56 | yos87 | dondelecaro: couldn't fine package name |
| 16:51.58 | JohnGH | morning all :) |
| 16:52.03 | dondelelcaro | chronotis: you can verify that your perl has Scalar::Util::weaken by the following: perl -MScalar::Util=weaken -we '$ref; weaken($ref);'; |
| 16:52.16 | dondelelcaro | chronotis: which version of perl are you using? |
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| 16:52.47 | chronotis | dondelelcaro: I'll try that, thanks. I'm using the latest perl in etch - I think 5.8.8-7 |
| 16:52.50 | abrotman | tarzeau: work ? |
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| 16:53.09 | liable | abrotman: wuss! |
| 16:53.10 | JohnGH | Is there any way to find out what it making my laptop segfault? for the past week or so it will run fine for a few hours or even days, but then everything will suddenly start segfaulting when you try and execute it so I have to reboot. |
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| 16:53.24 | chronotis | dondelelcaro: "Weak references are not implemented in the version of perl at -e line 0 |
| 16:53.24 | chronotis | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted." |
| 16:53.44 | dondelelcaro | chronotis: dpkg -l perl perl-base; |
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| 16:54.15 | chronotis | dondelelcaro: yep, 5.8.8-7 |
| 16:54.27 | dondelelcaro | chronotis: whereis perl; which perl; |
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| 16:54.42 | dondelelcaro | chronotis: also, perl -V; |
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| 16:55.17 | abrotman | liable: bah |
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| 16:55.43 | dondelelcaro | you've most likely got a perl there which is not Debian's, or a Scalar::Util which is not Debian's. |
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| 16:56.29 | chronotis | dondelelcaro: well, my perl -V is http://code.bulix.org/x7j6xl-42179?raw . the others are all in the right place |
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| 16:57.18 | chronotis | dondelelcaro: the Scalar::Util I'm using is from cpan. Is there another version I should be using? |
| 16:57.32 | dondelelcaro | well, there you go |
| 16:57.48 | BusMaster | is there a printer command I can use (instead of /usr/bin/lp) which will print to a .ps or .pdf file? |
| 16:57.48 | JohnGH | tut tut tut, using stuff from CPAN (rolls eyes) |
| 16:57.50 | dondelelcaro | chronotis: you should be using the version that was distributed with perl-base, not a random cpan version |
| 16:58.09 | dondelelcaro | BusMaster: almost every program in Debian can print to a ps file |
| 16:58.09 | chronotis | dondelelcaro: okay, I'll give that a shot - thanks! |
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| 16:58.37 | dondelelcaro | (well, every program that can print can print to a ps file) |
| 16:58.39 | jelly | JohnGH: but it ought to work roo |
| 16:58.44 | jelly | too |
| 16:59.22 | JohnGH | Hi jelly - thanks so much for your help the other day! |
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| 16:59.52 | BusMaster | dondelelcaro: true, but i have a "situation" here. I am using Adobe Acrobat reader to fill out a .pdf form, which cannot be saved after it is filled up. so I had the bright idea of filling it up and printing it to another .ps pr .pdf. But when I do a print to file, the resulting .ps file comes out as all pages blank :(. |
| 17:00.07 | dondelelcaro | BusMaster: oh; you want to use pdftk |
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| 17:00.50 | BusMaster | dondelelcaro: pdftk? let me google that |
| 17:00.57 | abrotman | !info pdftk etch |
| 17:01.01 | dpkg | pdftk: (A useful tool for manipulating PDF documents), section text, is optional. Version: 1.40-2 (etch), Packaged size: 930 kB, Installed size: 2764 kB |
| 17:01.36 | JohnGH | BusMaster: you can just do apt-cache search pdftk |
| 17:01.54 | dondelelcaro | !fill pdf forms |
| 17:01.55 | dpkg | pdftk input foo.pdf generate_fdf > foo.fdf; sensible-editor foo.fdf; pdftk input foo.pdf fill_form foo.fdf output filled_foo.pdf; |
| 17:01.59 | BusMaster | JohnGH: thanks I'm alread apt-get'ting it :) |
| 17:02.08 | JohnGH | then apt-cache show pdftk |
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| 17:02.42 | JohnGH | oh good :) - or my new trick... aptitude everything instead of apt-.*? |
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| 17:03.35 | BusMaster | oh gawd. that pdftk line needs to be saved and analyzed :) |
| 17:03.52 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: pdftk is <reply> pdftk is a nifty package which you can use to edit, merge, split, and otherwise munge pdf files. Ask me about <fill pdf forms> to learn how to fill out a pdf form. |
| 17:03.53 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
| 17:04.12 | dondelelcaro | I wrote the fill pdf forms factoid, but I have to admit that I have not yet tested it |
| 17:04.31 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: no, edit pdf is <reply> see pdftk |
| 17:04.31 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
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| 17:09.12 | liable | hah, funny |
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| 17:11.54 | Zap-W | what's the difference between ramfs and tmpfs |
| 17:13.07 | chronotis | dondelelcaro: I got rid of Scalar::Util and reinstalled perl-base, but no luck. Should I have done something differently? |
| 17:13.39 | dondelelcaro | chronotis: find /usr/{lib,share}/perl* -type f -iname 'Util.pm' |
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| 17:13.53 | chops | Zap-W: IIRC, ramfs is always in RAM, tmpfs may get swapped out |
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| 17:14.42 | famir | how can i get a list of the packages instsalled on my pc ? |
| 17:14.56 | chronotis | donedelelcaro: /usr/lib/perl/5.8.8/Scalar/Util.pm |
| 17:14.57 | centrx | dpkg -l |
| 17:14.59 | centrx | famir |
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| 17:15.29 | famir | centrx: 10x |
| 17:15.32 | dondelelcaro | chronotis: there should be a few other Util files listed |
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| 17:16.43 | chronotis | dondelelcaro: here's the whole thing http://code.bulix.org/j4wwtk-42184?raw |
| 17:16.51 | dondelelcaro | chronotis: in any event, having done that, what does perl -MScalar::Util -MData::Dumper -e 'print Dumper(%INC)'; output? |
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| 17:18.05 | chronotis | dondelelcaro: http://code.bulix.org/e2qy7m-42185?raw |
| 17:18.15 | pif | I'm having crash problems with iceweasel and libjavaplugin.so |
| 17:18.29 | pif | what is the most compatible java package out there? |
| 17:18.29 | dondelelcaro | chronotis: /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/List/Util.pm'; <-- this is your problem. |
| 17:18.43 | dondelelcaro | chronotis: you still have List::Util there as well as the .so that it installs. |
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| 17:21.09 | chronotis | dondelelcaro: argh, I completely forgot about List::Util. Thank you! |
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| 17:21.09 | yos87 | hi |
| 17:21.44 | dondelelcaro | chronotis: yeah, in general you don't want to install modules from cpan if the module is already packaged in Debian |
| 17:21.51 | Zap-W | chops: tmpfs isnt always in ram?? |
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| 17:22.05 | dondelelcaro | chronotis: if you actually do install the module from CPAN, then you want to use dh-make-perl --build --install --cpan Foo::Module; |
| 17:22.33 | chops | Zap-W: I don't think it always is, no. It may get written to swap. |
| 17:22.47 | dondelelcaro | (unless you use cpanplus, it's a PITA to remove cpan modules) |
| 17:22.48 | chronotis | dondelelcaro: Yeah, I think it was automatically installed by a script when I installed RT from source. |
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| 17:23.36 | dondelelcaro | chronotis: ugh. I'd ask too why you didn't just install request-tracker3.4 or request-tracker3.6... |
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| 17:24.12 | dondelelcaro | but I'm not sure I'm going to like the answer |
| 17:24.58 | BusMaster | dondelelcaro: um..pdftk just exits with Error: Failed to open PDF file: input. Any ideas? |
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| 17:25.14 | chronotis | dondelelcaro: mostly because I'm expected to install it from source. But do the package versions keep up with the svn versions as far as bugfixes are concerned? |
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| 17:26.03 | dondelelcaro | chronotis: in stable? No; they do not. The advantage is that new bugs are not introduced. |
| 17:26.08 | Penguin | if /var/run/dmesg is now showing proc info how does one view that? |
| 17:26.25 | dondelelcaro | BusMaster: what is the pdftk command you're using? |
| 17:26.53 | BusMaster | dondelelcaro: pdftk input SWEDISH_VISA_application_stud_104031_en.pdf generate_fdf > foo.fdf |
| 17:27.23 | dondelelcaro | BusMaster: oh... I think the input doesn't need to be there |
| 17:27.37 | BusMaster | dondelelcaro: ok..i'll try without it |
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| 17:28.32 | dondelelcaro | chronotis: as far as testing and unstable goes, they track released versions and generally backport specific fixes. That said, you can easily start using the packaged version as a base and pull the svn version you want to run into it |
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| 17:29.19 | chronotis | dondelelcaro: that's a great point, that way the deps take care of themselves without all the horrible poking around involved with using CPAN for deps |
| 17:29.53 | dondelelcaro | (though it kind of looks like the request tracker packages are a release behind; I personally don't use RT) |
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| 17:31.40 | chops | pif: I've never had crashing with the Sun JDK. Flash is another story, though... |
| 17:31.41 | efaistos | hi someone use zsh here ? |
| 17:31.51 | chops | !tell efaistos about ask |
| 17:31.51 | efaistos | you can use NO_NOMATCH or (N) but why when I do a ls ~/test/titi*(N) where titi doesnt exist it's listing my ~/ Directory ? |
| 17:31.55 | chops | efaistos: Also, yes, I do |
| 17:32.22 | chronotis | dondelelcaro: I use it for work - I'm a student worker at my university's IT dept. Anyway, dh-make-perl looks like it will solve most of my problems - thanks! |
| 17:32.22 | efaistos | chops: any idea ? |
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| 17:32.46 | chops | efaistos: No, sorry... I don't use NO_NOMATCH and I'm not familiar with it. |
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| 17:33.16 | gonzaloaf | how can I copy a minix3 diskette.img to a diskette? |
| 17:33.34 | RichiH | dd if=/path/to/diskette.img of=/dev/fd0 |
| 17:33.36 | efaistos | chops: basically when you didnt match something it avoid the message : zsh: no matches found |
| 17:33.46 | RichiH | or |
| 17:33.47 | RichiH | dd if=/path/to/diskette.img of=/dev/fd |
| 17:33.51 | RichiH | try which works |
| 17:34.11 | BusMaster | dondelelcaro: ok..i got an fdf file after i removed input. but it seems cryptic. any guidelines to decode it or how to fill it up? |
| 17:34.27 | chronotis | dondelelcaro: it works! |
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| 17:40.03 | nweaver916 | quick question about logs....how often is a new log.auth created? is it daily? weekly? (My logrotate.conf show weekly, but I just cleared logs so I cannot verify this) |
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| 17:40.24 | dondelelcaro | BusMaster: I actually don't know; if you show me what the fdf looks like I can probably figure it out |
| 17:40.55 | BusMaster | dondelelcaro: should I use #flood? |
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| 17:41.33 | BusMaster | dondelelcaro: pasted on #flood |
| 17:41.34 | simonrvn | nweaver916: weekly rotation |
| 17:42.28 | nweaver916 | ok...just built a quick perl script to parse some logs, and wondering how often I need to grab auth.log to get what I need...thanks |
| 17:42.38 | BusMaster | dondelelcaro: it doesn't even contain the names of the form fields or something :( |
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| 17:43.26 | happy_broccoli | i downloaded firefox but: http://pastebin.ca/491434 |
| 17:43.32 | happy_broccoli | whats the deal??? |
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| 17:44.09 | simonrvn | happy_broccoli: iceweasel in debian |
| 17:44.28 | happy_broccoli | simonrvn: not pixelperfect.i need actual firefox |
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| 17:44.45 | alaya | iceweasel is firefox with a different logo |
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| 17:44.48 | Ronin | iceweasel is firefox |
| 17:44.52 | Ronin | at least for now |
| 17:45.13 | happy_broccoli | SO WHY IS IT NOT PIXEL PERFECT TO ANOTHER LINUX FIREFOX 2.0.0.3 |
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| 17:45.20 | Vasistha | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel |
| 17:45.37 | simonrvn | QuitYerBitchin and read ^^^ |
| 17:45.44 | happy_broccoli | whats there to read? |
| 17:45.59 | happy_broccoli | i want to install ACTUAL firefox so i can know that its iceweasel or not thats causing the issue |
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| 17:46.01 | Vasistha | happy_broccoli: wikipedia. why don't you read it so you can find out? |
| 17:46.02 | rahul | since when did it become sunday today? |
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| 17:46.10 | rahul | happy_broccoli: so do that |
| 17:46.10 | alaya | beyond that, i looks like your missing a gtk lib |
| 17:46.11 | simonrvn | /ig -replies happy_broccoli |
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| 17:46.26 | gonzaloaf | RichiH, it was an error... may it be because its a minix3 fs on the image and my debian doesnt support it? or what? |
| 17:46.32 | eeyore- | happy_broccoli: dude, "locate" might have been working against outdated database |
| 17:46.35 | BusMaster | dondelelcaro: ok. i did some research and the finding is that using pdftk to fill up forms isn't for the faint hearted and definitely not for filling up the odd form here and there. |
| 17:47.00 | roby | How do I add non-free packages like Sun's Java to etch? |
| 17:47.05 | BusMaster | dondelelcaro: so I'm back to the old question. Can I use a pdf viewer to fill up a form and then print it to a ps so that I can convert it to another pdf using ps2pdf ? |
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| 17:47.21 | eeyore- | BusMaster: Acrobat Professional / Distiller ;-) |
| 17:47.38 | alaya | roby: you can use the java-package package to build a .deb |
| 17:47.45 | BusMaster | eeyore-: heh. i'd prefer it to be a) free and b) easy. I guess that is asking for too much |
| 17:48.05 | Vasistha | BusMaster: well, you can choose one or the other, but not both! ;) |
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| 17:48.34 | BusMaster | which pdf viewer other than adobe acrobat can be used to fill up forms? i tried kpdf and kghostview and gpdf..but the fillable fields are not clickable |
| 17:48.40 | h3sp4wn | !java roby |
| 17:48.47 | h3sp4wn | !java | roby |
| 17:49.01 | eeyore- | BusMaster: well, i don't know what to tell you ... the PDF spec is pretty simple and it does use PS as the document description language. It ought to be simple (and I did write some stuff for this) to just add content to PDF files, but whether that's "easy" for you or not, that's another story |
| 17:49.01 | happy_broccoli | eeyore-: i just ran updatedb. no difference. |
| 17:49.10 | h3sp4wn | roby: /msg dpkg java |
| 17:49.23 | sudo_maddash | h3sp4wn: this isn't #ubuntu, you know. |
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| 17:50.00 | h3sp4wn | sudo_maddash: I didn't think it was I have used that syntax before and it worked here |
| 17:50.10 | eeyore- | BusMaster: i guess only acrobat reader (besides pro ones) can fill PDF forms (the fillable ones) |
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| 17:50.36 | BusMaster | eeyore-: yeah..i guess it IS simple once you figure out the spec and know a scripting language or two and can write bash sripts for breakfast. I'm a simple soul who needs to fill up a pdf form and print it. i don't have a printer, so i want to generate a filled up pdf file |
| 17:50.40 | eeyore- | BusMaster: but if you just want to add content to the page (e.g., doesn't matter if the PDF is fillable or not), you can |
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| 17:51.42 | eeyore- | BusMaster: even acrobat reader doesn't work that way. it doesn't modify the original PDF file but rather saves the filled-in data somewhere else |
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| 17:52.18 | eeyore- | BusMaster: what you're talking about is actually editing the PDF file. look for tools that can edit PDF files :-) |
| 17:52.18 | Vasistha | iirc, acrobat reader can't "save" the data -- after you fill it in, you lose all that filling-in work if you close it. |
| 17:52.30 | BusMaster | eeyore-: ok. i thought i'd outsmart the system by having acrobat reader print to a ps file. but the ps file it generates is coming out as just blank pages unfortunately |
| 17:52.33 | eeyore- | Vasistha: the most recent ones can save data outside |
| 17:52.49 | BusMaster | Vasistha: you are right. the only way out it to print it. so I thought I'd print it..to another file |
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| 17:53.16 | roby | alaya: h3sp4wn: thanks |
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| 17:53.46 | h3sp4wn | BusMaster: Have a look at "cabaret stage" |
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| 17:54.23 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: i had no idea you were a cabaret dancer! |
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| 17:54.41 | h3sp4wn | BusMaster: http://www.cabaret-solutions.com/en/ |
| 17:54.47 | broadcaster | hi! i have one box here which takes about 30 sec to activate the swap file on boot. any idea why? i have this since i upgraded to 2.6.20.1 i think |
| 17:54.50 | BusMaster | h3sp4wn: Ah..this looks promising.. |
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| 17:55.01 | BusMaster | h3sp4wn: now to see if it works smoothly on linux :) |
| 17:55.36 | Vasistha | broadcaster: what version of debian are you using? |
| 17:56.10 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: I can dance - don't suppose it would be too hard |
| 17:56.20 | broadcaster | Vasistha: testing |
| 17:56.20 | Vasistha | hahahahaha |
| 17:56.22 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: the bustier might be a bit rough for you :) |
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| 17:56.46 | Vasistha | broadcaster: have you tried unmounting/mounting it after boot? |
| 17:56.49 | eeyore- | abrotman: rougher on the customers' eyes, no doubt |
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| 17:57.20 | eeyore- | broadcaster: encrypted swap? |
| 17:57.22 | abrotman | if liable can get used to sheep .. i'm sure the customers can get used to h3sp4wn |
| 17:58.00 | abrotman | xand: do you know much about TB plugins ? |
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| 17:58.26 | broadcaster | Vasistha: swapoff and swapon react within milliseconds. |
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| 17:58.50 | eeyore- | broadcaster: encrypted swap? |
| 17:58.50 | broadcaster | eeyore-: no, not encrypted. but it's a dm-device (raid0) |
| 17:58.54 | xand | abrotman: no, I use icedove :D |
| 17:59.00 | abrotman | xand: you know what i mean |
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| 17:59.17 | abrotman | xand: is there a way to tell ID to ignore that the extension says it doesn't work for 2.x ? |
| 17:59.57 | xand | the only extension i use is the redirect one... no idea |
| 18:00.03 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: http://samanthamo.com/images/shirttrousers3.jpg (anything worse than that and I wouldn't do it) |
| 18:00.08 | abrotman | xand: damn you! |
| 18:00.08 | _slacker_ | hi all! DNS question, how can i recover an rndc-key? i accidentally deleted it and now i can't restart my Bind9 :s |
| 18:00.12 | xand | change the version information if its in plain text |
| 18:00.25 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: do you always run around looking like peter pan ? |
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| 18:01.21 | Vasistha | h3sp4wn: geez, that's nothing |
| 18:01.36 | abrotman | !tell HaHaWhatsUp about root |
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| 18:01.46 | abrotman | !tell HaHaWhatsU1 about root |
| 18:02.03 | abrotman | i think that's almost qotd material :) |
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| 18:03.31 | broadcaster | hmm, as it seems, mountall.sh activates the swapfile on boot and takes to long for that. could that be, because swapon -a checks an encrypted device (which at that point has NOT yet been mounted)? |
| 18:03.44 | BusMaster | h3sp4wn: drat..i downloaded the tarball, untarred it, did a ./cabaretstage.sh and got a screenful of java related errors :( |
| 18:04.03 | broadcaster | that would explain why it is so fast when i do it manually - now the encrypted device is mounted already (of course...) |
| 18:05.43 | abrotman | !tell HaHaWhatsUp about root |
| 18:05.53 | abrotman | HaHaWhatsUp: you can't speak in here as root |
| 18:05.54 | _slacker_ | it's impossible to recover an rndc key??? :S |
| 18:06.20 | rahul | just generate a new one |
| 18:06.21 | rahul | wtf |
| 18:06.57 | _slacker_ | rahul, yes, i did it, but i have bind and rndc running, and i cant restart bind with the new key! :s |
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| 18:07.18 | rahul | you shouldn;t need to |
| 18:07.20 | rahul | you broke debian |
| 18:07.42 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: not always |
| 18:07.47 | rahul | re-run the postinst for bind |
| 18:08.02 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: ? |
| 18:08.14 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: you have to be smarter than your irc client i suppose :) |
| 18:08.23 | _slacker_ | rahul, how can i re-run it? |
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| 18:08.54 | rahul | /var/lib/dpkg/info/bind9.postinst or some such |
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| 18:09.25 | _slacker_ | rahul, this is the script that runs the first time i install bind? |
| 18:10.02 | rahul | yes |
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| 18:10.10 | rahul | and every upgrade |
| 18:10.38 | _slacker_ | rahul, fails :s |
| 18:11.01 | rahul | ... you broke debian, as I said |
| 18:11.18 | _slacker_ | ????? |
| 18:11.31 | _slacker_ | i only accidentally delete one file :s |
| 18:11.40 | _slacker_ | that's not possible |
| 18:11.44 | rahul | you are a tool. |
| 18:12.11 | _slacker_ | i knwo xD |
| 18:12.12 | rahul | you should need to pass a test to be given access to the rm command |
| 18:12.26 | xand | how rude |
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| 18:12.36 | _slacker_ | but i can't restart the rndc with a new key??? |
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| 18:12.49 | rahul | you have to set it up correctly |
| 18:12.55 | rahul | reinstall bind |
| 18:13.00 | Vasistha | that would open up bind9 to malicious attack! |
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| 18:13.47 | rahul | he seems to want to be rooted |
| 18:13.59 | rahul | hence the terseness of my advice. |
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| 18:16.22 | interupt0x80 | aghh please remind me why certain applets fail in gnome |
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| 18:16.37 | interupt0x80 | was it the volume manager ? |
| 18:17.20 | jair | hello guys, it is possible to have a system (debian 4.0) using three NICs (eth0) (eth1) (eth2) but two different gateways on eth0 and eth1 when eth0 is in one nic and wth1 is in another one |
| 18:17.24 | rahul | because they're buggy |
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| 18:17.36 | rahul | gateways have nothing to do with NICs |
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| 18:18.03 | rahul | the gateway to that host determines which NIC is used to send the packet |
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| 18:18.13 | Supaplex | but gnome is and always has been perfect ;) |
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| 18:18.19 | rahul | HEH. |
| 18:18.22 | interupt0x80 | Supaplex: ohh yea i forgot |
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| 18:18.40 | jair | rahul: hmm |
| 18:18.46 | interupt0x80 | jair: what to you mean, you want one machine to serve 3 different lans or what ? |
| 18:18.54 | interupt0x80 | thats easy |
| 18:18.59 | jair | interupt0x80: yes |
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| 18:19.13 | interupt0x80 | you want to spread the load between two connections to the internet then thats hard |
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| 18:19.14 | Supaplex | one nic could serve multiple lans. wither with vlans, or ip aliasing |
| 18:19.23 | jair | eth0 = 10.9.9.xxx and eth1= 12.186.3.xxx |
| 18:19.25 | fouressence | Dumb question alert: Where is .profile on Debian? |
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| 18:19.36 | Supaplex | fouressence: ~/ |
| 18:19.37 | rahul | fouressence: ~ |
| 18:19.42 | wols_ | fouressence: in ~ |
| 18:20.01 | wols_ | fouressence: use ls -al .* |
| 18:20.14 | interupt0x80 | Supaplex: yea if he had vlan swith |
| 18:20.16 | interupt0x80 | switch |
| 18:20.17 | rahul | ls -a and .* are redundant |
| 18:20.22 | fouressence | (You three): I see .bash_profile When I edited that one though, adding some variables, nothing happened. |
| 18:20.30 | interupt0x80 | jair: and eth2 ? |
| 18:20.36 | interupt0x80 | anyway |
| 18:20.39 | rahul | fouressence: profile is used for login shells |
| 18:20.42 | wols_ | rahul: no. it omits all the "normal" non-dot files |
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| 18:20.43 | jair | fouressence: "/etc/profile" |
| 18:20.46 | rahul | fouressence: are you logging in to a shell or to X? |
| 18:20.51 | interupt0x80 | why cant i add my service detection applet to gnome panel |
| 18:20.52 | chronotis | fouressence: when you edit .bash_prfile and .bashrc you need to reload your shell to see changes |
| 18:21.01 | rahul | wols_: right, .* makes -a redundant |
| 18:21.02 | Supaplex | wols_: don't forget -d |
| 18:21.12 | rahul | yeah, you want -d, not -a |
| 18:21.28 | jair | interupt0x80: eth2 will be also on the 10.9.8.xxx |
| 18:21.29 | fouressence | chronotis: Do you mean just close down all the open windows and then open one again? |
| 18:21.34 | interupt0x80 | ahh vista sold en 40 mio copies, |
| 18:21.35 | wols_ | rahul: no |
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| 18:21.41 | rahul | yes |
| 18:21.44 | chronotis | fouressence: the changes will show up in any new windows you open, yeah |
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| 18:21.53 | interupt0x80 | jair: so what was it exactly you want |
| 18:21.57 | Supaplex | fouressence: you can 'source .bash_profile' to reload it w/o exiting the shell. |
| 18:21.59 | fouressence | Hmm, must have made a typo... |
| 18:22.04 | XMrs | hello. i have a US Robotics wireless MAXg PCI card Model USR5417... and debian etch stable... is it supported? |
| 18:22.10 | fouressence | Supalex: Cool, thanks |
| 18:22.19 | chronotis | forgot about that |
| 18:22.20 | rahul | chronotis: profile should not be used for new terminals |
| 18:22.21 | abrotman | XMrs: what's the actual chipset ? |
| 18:22.21 | lun | lew lew |
| 18:22.24 | interupt0x80 | fix my gnome panel pppl |
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| 18:22.38 | wols_ | interupt0x80: considering they "sell" it for a year now with XP upgrade coupons, that number is really low. especially since every month abotu 20 million PCs are sold and Vista is already on sale since last november |
| 18:22.49 | abrotman | interupt0x80: ask an actual question |
| 18:22.54 | bahadunn | interupt0x80: ? |
| 18:22.56 | XMrs | cannot see anything on it, but i´ll plug it in an be back |
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| 18:23.04 | abrotman | XMrs: ask google |
| 18:23.13 | Supaplex | !smart questions |
| 18:23.13 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with computer experts. |
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| 18:23.18 | Supaplex | interupt0x80: ^^^^^^^ |
| 18:23.20 | XMrs | ;) |
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| 18:23.34 | jair | interupt0x80:I will get an screenshot for you one sec |
| 18:23.35 | interupt0x80 | abrotman: bahadunn i try to add service discovery applet to the gnome panel |
| 18:23.50 | interupt0x80 | but it fails saying some error occoured |
| 18:23.56 | abrotman | so find the error |
| 18:24.04 | bahadunn | interupt0x80: dont use gnome |
| 18:24.10 | interupt0x80 | now i had that problem before but i forgot what caused it |
| 18:24.12 | chronotis | rahul: well, login shells |
| 18:24.13 | rahul | do something to fix some error |
| 18:24.17 | interupt0x80 | bahadunn: pretendi hate kde |
| 18:24.22 | bahadunn | interupt0x80: what i mean is I do not use gnome therefore I cannot really help you |
| 18:24.30 | rahul | chronotis: new terminals are not login shells, if you set up your emulator sanely |
| 18:24.36 | wols_ | interupt0x80: do you think we are psychic? |
| 18:24.37 | interupt0x80 | bahadunn: then why answer ? |
| 18:24.43 | bahadunn | interupt0x80: I use tty0 |
| 18:24.47 | interupt0x80 | wols_: regarding what ,, |
| 18:24.48 | Supaplex | XMrs: I don't think so, show me the lspci -nn line. I think it'll run under ndiswrapper though. |
| 18:24.49 | abrotman | interupt0x80: because your question sucked |
| 18:24.49 | rahul | interupt0x80: what does kde have to do with gnome? |
| 18:24.52 | bahadunn | interupt0x80: because its my perogative |
| 18:25.00 | Supaplex | !start a wm war |
| 18:25.00 | dpkg | enlightenment makes me vomit! |
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| 18:25.01 | wols_ | interupt0x80: regarding "some error occurred" |
| 18:25.08 | wols_ | do you think we magically know what the error saysß |
| 18:25.13 | Supaplex | !don't work |
| 18:25.13 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 18:25.14 | interupt0x80 | wols_: well thats what it tells me,, fucko |
| 18:25.15 | fouressence | So, what, by the way, is the difference between .bashrc and .bash_profile ? |
| 18:25.21 | XMrs | ok, later when it hooked up |
| 18:25.24 | abrotman | well . i was going to help .. but to hell with that |
| 18:25.27 | rahul | fouressence: profile is for login shells, rc is for all shells |
| 18:25.28 | interupt0x80 | he panel encountered a problem while loading "OAFIID:GNOME_ServiceDiscoveryApplet". |
| 18:25.36 | bahadunn | interupt0x80: I seriously doubt it tells you 'some error occurred' |
| 18:25.38 | wols_ | interupt0x80: good way to get help calling others fucko. have a nice day |
| 18:25.41 | Supaplex | interupt0x80: curb the name calling. |
| 18:25.47 | interupt0x80 | it might as well told me a random hex |
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| 18:25.56 | wols_ | Supaplex: just ignore the idiot |
| 18:26.00 | interupt0x80 | wols_: i didnt call you fucko |
| 18:26.09 | bahadunn | interupt0x80: looked like you did to me |
| 18:26.11 | interupt0x80 | i said it tells me fucko eg , nothing usefull |
| 18:26.20 | rahul | interupt0x80: that could mean something to someone else. if you think you're all-knowing, don't ask us for help |
| 18:26.26 | abrotman | ah .. no .. you called him the name :) |
| 18:26.32 | chronotis | rahul: yeah, but I'm guessing the changes he's looking for apply more to bashrc. I should have been explicit, though |
| 18:26.36 | interupt0x80 | rahul: if i was i would ask for help |
| 18:26.39 | bahadunn | interupt0x80: we are not idiots here you know |
| 18:26.43 | interupt0x80 | i know |
| 18:26.46 | bahadunn | interupt0x80: not all of us anyways |
| 18:26.47 | abrotman | bahadunn: speak for yourself! |
| 18:26.49 | rahul | interupt0x80: you are a tool. |
| 18:26.54 | fouressence | rahul: Thanks. Forgive yet another dull question, if you will ;) But what's the difference between a login shell and --well, what's a login shell? |
| 18:26.55 | interupt0x80 | otherwise i wouldnt ask |
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| 18:27.07 | bahadunn | thats it! |
| 18:27.10 | bahadunn | im switching to openbsd |
| 18:27.16 | interupt0x80 | go go openbsd |
| 18:27.24 | rahul | good |
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| 18:27.33 | wols_ | fouressence: shell that was called by login |
| 18:27.35 | Supaplex | bahadunn: reactos suits you better. ;) |
| 18:27.37 | interupt0x80 | rahul: you hurt my feeling |
| 18:27.40 | wols_ | login is a program |
| 18:27.45 | bahadunn | Supaplex: hey I have heard of that |
| 18:27.53 | bahadunn | Supaplex: is that the one that runs on solaris kernel? |
| 18:27.57 | fouressence | wols_: Ohh, okee dokes. Thanks! |
| 18:27.58 | interupt0x80 | i just want the gnome error msg converted to a error syntom |
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| 18:28.05 | interupt0x80 | and now you all hate me buuhuuu |
| 18:28.06 | Supaplex | bahadunn: no :P it's FOSS |
| 18:28.13 | rahul | interupt0x80: you are a tool. |
| 18:28.31 | CharminTheMoose | question: if I install fonts, can i use them in GIMP? |
| 18:28.35 | rahul | interupt0x80: how do you expect us to convert an error that you DONT TELL US into a specific problem? |
| 18:28.38 | wols_ | interupt0x80: you still haven't told the exact error to anyone. |
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| 18:28.45 | wols_ | and I guess you haven't googled the error yet either |
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| 18:28.55 | rahul | CharminTheMoose: only if you're a camel |
| 18:29.01 | bahadunn | Supaplex: ah yes I remember now |
| 18:29.06 | interupt0x80 | rahul: wols_ i try to add the zeroconf service dicovery applet to the gnome panel |
| 18:29.07 | rahul | I remember now... |
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| 18:29.18 | interupt0x80 | the gnome panel refuses this and gives me the error i just posted |
| 18:29.22 | Supaplex | if it literally says "some error", then harass the gnome people for making such retarded error messages. |
| 18:29.37 | bahadunn | Supaplex: I was confused with NexentaOS |
| 18:29.49 | Supaplex | i'm not troubleshooting something that just says "It broke." and nothing more. |
| 18:29.49 | interupt0x80 | Supaplex: well it that case it could be a bit more descriptive |
| 18:30.06 | simonrvn | bahadunn: dude! LTNS - how are you? |
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| 18:30.09 | interupt0x80 | The panel encountered a problem while loading "OAFIID:GNOME_ServiceDiscoveryApplet" |
| 18:30.13 | interupt0x80 | thats the error |
| 18:30.20 | Supaplex | OOOHHhhhh |
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| 18:30.39 | bahadunn | simonrvn: fine and you? |
| 18:30.43 | interupt0x80 | Supaplex: i pasted it before |
| 18:30.44 | wols_ | interupt0x80: run it from the console |
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| 18:30.51 | wols_ | paste all the output in that console to a pastebin |
| 18:30.59 | simonrvn | bahadunn: doing wonderful my friend. good to hear you're ok |
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| 18:31.01 | Supaplex | well, that's a little better, but these gnome coders need to pass "a problem" into a $description |
| 18:31.03 | bahadunn | simonrvn: I have been around as struct and jharrison as well |
| 18:31.09 | simonrvn | oooh |
| 18:31.10 | interupt0x80 | wols_: ahh its been to long |
| 18:31.13 | simonrvn | cool |
| 18:31.18 | bahadunn | simonrvn: hows things up north? |
| 18:31.27 | interupt0x80 | can i just execute the applet ? |
| 18:31.31 | simonrvn | gettin' stirred up ;). |
| 18:31.32 | FlipFlap | hey , generic question. if i wanted to copy say 500gb of data from one storage device to another, (both are mounted) - what would be the most efficient way |
| 18:31.48 | wols_ | FlipFlap: man cp |
| 18:31.51 | simonrvn | bahadunn: google day of action native canada |
| 18:32.03 | abrotman | not enough verbs! |
| 18:32.03 | FlipFlap | wols_: just copy? i was thinking more rsync |
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| 18:32.43 | simonrvn | abrotman: my google-fu is strong |
| 18:32.43 | happy_broccoli | can http://pastebin.ca/491434 be because im on 64bit and i downloaded the i686 firefox? |
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| 18:32.44 | interupt0x80 | wols_: thx, i totally forgot i could run the applets as independent programs |
| 18:32.44 | rahul | happy_broccoli: yes |
| 18:32.55 | eeyore- | happy_broccoli: yes. |
| 18:33.00 | happy_broccoli | but i thought i686 can run fine on 64bit? |
| 18:33.03 | bahadunn | simonrvn: a canadian lefty in occupied land? |
| 18:33.08 | eeyore- | happy_broccoli: you need emulation libraries |
| 18:33.16 | wols_ | happy_broccoli: with a chroot which has all the necessary 32bit support libs: yes |
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| 18:33.24 | eeyore- | happy_broccoli: there needs to be 32-bit emulation environment set up |
| 18:33.29 | happy_broccoli | eeyore-: is there some package for that? |
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| 18:33.39 | eeyore- | happy_broccoli: don't know, ask abrotman :-) |
| 18:33.39 | wols_ | ia32libs or such |
| 18:34.02 | annoia | If I install the linux source package the .config will be the one used for the kernel image, right? |
| 18:34.03 | eeyore- | (i use gentoo, i'm just pretending to still remember a few things about debian) |
| 18:34.10 | simonrvn | bahadunn: yeh, it's related |
| 18:34.23 | h3sp4wn | ia32-libs |
| 18:34.42 | simonrvn | bahadunn: also the CTV.ca article further down |
| 18:34.44 | wols_ | annoia: repharese your question please |
| 18:34.52 | bahadunn | simonrvn: that site smells like a wordpress site |
| 18:34.53 | wols_ | *rephrase |
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| 18:35.15 | h3sp4wn | happy_broccoli: (and ai32-libs-gtk - but they are only in sid) - so either /msg dpkg simple sid backport or take the ones that were in sid at the time of etch's release |
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| 18:35.43 | annoia | wols_ - Can I see the configuration of the debian kernel image by looking at the .config that comes with the kernel source package? |
| 18:36.03 | simonrvn | bahadunn: i think they took WP and rebranded it and ported it to python or something |
| 18:36.05 | abrotman | eeyore-: for chroot ? |
| 18:36.11 | simonrvn | or maybe just their themes |
| 18:36.12 | abrotman | !info ia32-libs etch |
| 18:36.15 | abrotman | bah .. |
| 18:36.18 | bahadunn | simonrvn: true |
| 18:36.20 | eeyore- | abrotman: hmm? |
| 18:36.22 | abrotman | simonrvn: is ravenbird ppc or amd64 ? |
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| 18:36.24 | annoia | Hmmm.. There's no. config :( |
| 18:36.44 | simonrvn | ppc |
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| 18:36.48 | eeyore- | annoia: dude, there's nothing magical about .config file name |
| 18:36.53 | eeyore- | annoia: look in /boot |
| 18:37.07 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=ia32-libs |
| 18:37.09 | JordiGH | I'm highly tempted to install the unstable libc6, since everyone keeps saying how awesome Octave 2.9.10 is... Has anyone suffered any terrible accidents or irreversible mutilations when using the unstable libc6? |
| 18:37.10 | annoia | Ooh |
| 18:37.11 | eeyore- | annoia: or, /proc/config.gz |
| 18:37.19 | wols_ | annoia: no. evey kernel image comes with a config* file which you can find in /boot |
| 18:37.25 | chops | JordiGH: What is the rest of your system? |
| 18:37.30 | wols_ | that is the .config file for that exact kernel |
| 18:37.37 | annoia | wols_ / eeyore- - THanks, didn't know |
| 18:38.05 | wols_ | JordiGH: yes. see !bobbitt |
| 18:38.05 | JordiGH | chops: Testing. :-/ |
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| 18:38.11 | interupt0x80 | oki guys , i get this when running the applet locale.Error: unsupported locale setting |
| 18:38.38 | wols_ | interupt0x80: what is your locale setting? |
| 18:38.43 | chops | JordiGH: I advise either upgrading to sid or sticking with testing, particularly as libc6 is concerned... :-/ |
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| 18:39.11 | chops | JordiGH: That said, switching your sources.list to sid and saying 'aptitude install libc6' may leave you with a mostly-testing system with sid sources and a new libc8 |
| 18:39.16 | chops | *libc6 |
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| 18:39.43 | interupt0x80 | wols_: dk.utf8 |
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| 18:40.26 | chops | JordiGH: I've been having good luck with running sid without dist-upgrading, just letting aptitude upgrade little pieces here and there as it feels is appropriate (as I install or upgrade packages I particularly want) :-) |
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| 18:40.38 | chops | JordiGH: Mostly I just want to see how long I can make this approach last |
| 18:40.54 | JordiGH | chops: I've had mixed systems in the past with good results. |
| 18:41.22 | JordiGH | chops: But people told me that was naughty... Matter of fact, I do have some unstable packages installed right now, but nothing major. |
| 18:41.22 | abrotman | happy_broccoli: see above URL |
| 18:41.37 | abrotman | happy_broccoli: dunno if that'll work . might have more luck asking #debian-amd64 on irc.oftc.net |
| 18:41.59 | chops | JordiGH: People have also told me it's naughty, yes... you should be prepared to upgrade 100% to sid in case of trouble IMHO |
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| 18:42.26 | wols_ | JordiGH: in actuually 9 out of 10 times it will work. hoewver, in the othre 1 case, iot will produce heinous errors which are impossible to troubleshoot for #debian |
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| 18:42.35 | wols_ | we don't want that so we discourage it |
| 18:43.03 | abrotman | and stuff breaks! |
| 18:43.21 | wols_ | yes, sid on its own likes to break. mixing it with other stuff is even worse |
| 18:43.22 | chops | wols_: Will upgrading entirely to sid solve those errors when they happen, or is it more of a thing that can wedge your system in a subtle and unsolvable way? |
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| 18:43.42 | JordiGH | chops: I would... except that this is meant to be a shared box. I've almost received permission from my school to install Debian in all of the lab's boxen. |
| 18:43.44 | chops | wols_: (Where by "solve" I mean "reduce them to whatever brokenness currently exists in sid") |
| 18:43.55 | chops | JordiGH: I would strongly recommend against including sid packages, then |
| 18:43.59 | interupt0x80 | wols_: it seems i need to fix my locales |
| 18:44.00 | wols_ | chops: the only unsolvable broken computer is one that your threw ouit of 6th floor. no software problem is unfixable |
| 18:44.13 | wols_ | !tell interupt0x80 about locales |
| 18:44.23 | JordiGH | And Octave 2.9.10 would be a huge selling point. Maybe I'll build it from source, then... Backport it to testing as it were. |
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| 18:44.31 | chops | JordiGH: No reason to turn people off of Debian because their "mostly testing" system suddenly cursed at them and deleted /var out of spite :-) |
| 18:44.41 | chops | JordiGH: Yeah, simple sid backport would be my advice. |
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| 18:45.17 | interupt0x80 | wols_: i tried that already |
| 18:45.29 | bahadunn | just point the user to an explaination of what stable, testing, and unstable means and let them do whatever they want |
| 18:45.30 | interupt0x80 | i need to fix it more than that :) |
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| 18:47.46 | john2 | for debian i need to download all cds? or just the first one? |
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| 18:48.03 | wols_ | JordiGH: only a netinstall or the first |
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| 18:48.09 | JordiGH | john2: Just the first one to get a desktop system working. CDs are sorted by popularity. |
| 18:48.16 | LLcoolM | debians vlc sucks, is there a better version out there |
| 18:48.17 | LLcoolM | ? |
| 18:48.17 | JordiGH | wols_: misdirect |
| 18:48.30 | LLcoolM | because it doesnt support mp4 audio, and so on |
| 18:48.34 | wols_ | JordiGH: you know me... :) |
| 18:48.37 | xand | LLcoolM: #videolan |
| 18:48.50 | JordiGH | LLcoolM: You could try Marillat's, but what's wrong with Debian's? |
| 18:48.59 | john2 | JordiGH and the other 4-5 cds ? for what perposes are they? |
| 18:49.04 | JordiGH | LLcoolM: That's not Debian's fault... codecs are legally encumbered. |
| 18:49.06 | LLcoolM | JordiGH: it doesnt support mp3 audio transcoding |
| 18:49.09 | wols_ | JordiGH: apparently misses some (patented) codecs? |
| 18:49.19 | LLcoolM | JordiGH: debian-multimedia doesnt have another vlc |
| 18:49.30 | JordiGH | LLcoolM: it doesn't? Are you sure? |
| 18:49.44 | LLcoolM | http://floating3.ucd.ie/debian/pool/main/v/ <-- thats a mirror, see for yourself |
| 18:49.46 | wols_ | JordiGH: it's "the other 22 CDs". debian has lots of sfotware. the less commonly used the software is, the higher CD number it is on |
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| 18:49.52 | JordiGH | john2: Meh, they have the rest of the Debian distribution in order of popularity. I forget how to see what the CD is it. |
| 18:49.59 | JordiGH | wols_: Stop talking to me. :-) |
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| 18:50.10 | wols_ | JordiGH: but I _like_ you :) |
| 18:50.22 | bahadunn | LLcoolM: how do you mean debian's vlc sucks? |
| 18:50.27 | bahadunn | LLcoolM: works fine for me |
| 18:51.06 | LLcoolM | bahadunn: it doesnt support transcoding audio to mp3/mp4/aac/ac52 and every other good audio codec there is |
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| 18:54.55 | decepticon_ | hello how simple q: how do i make one of those shortcut things onto my desktop that lead to a place (what are they called in linux? symlinks?) |
| 18:55.25 | gpm_ | ln -s |
| 18:55.34 | gpm_ | ln -s [orig file] [new file] |
| 18:55.39 | gpm_ | soft link |
| 18:55.45 | gpm_ | man ln if you're interested in learning something |
| 18:55.50 | stew | john2: /msg dpkg which cd |
| 18:55.52 | gpm_ | about unix i mean |
| 18:56.08 | decepticon_ | thank you |
| 18:56.12 | gpm_ | you're welcome |
| 18:56.16 | bahadunn | LLcoolM: there is ogg |
| 18:56.23 | gpm_ | you should man ln though |
| 18:56.28 | gpm_ | sometimes you want hard links too |
| 18:56.30 | gpm_ | not just soft |
| 18:56.39 | gpm_ | and there's other interesting stuff in there |
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| 18:58.32 | piztek3 | I can't edit the GNOME menu, how come? |
| 18:59.00 | JordiGH | I've often wondered where one ends and the other begins. Linux takes care of the filesystem and in particular of symlinks, right? But the tool to actually build, view, and use the symlink is GNU, right? |
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| 18:59.58 | chronotis | piztek3, are you using system-->preferences-->menus and toolbars? |
| 19:00.05 | en1gma | sup all |
| 19:00.09 | shadeheim | hi, I've been looking for the easiest possible way to install a little-known package that can only be installed from the tar file on the authors site. Usually I need to look in the readme file to make sure I have the required dependencies install as well. Does checkinstall also require me to manually specify the dependencies? |
| 19:00.14 | en1gma | what app in kde controls which services are running |
| 19:00.31 | en1gma | or process |
| 19:00.34 | BusMaster | damn. I give up. it appears there is absolutely no moderately easity way to save a pdf form you've filled up when using linux :( |
| 19:00.41 | piztek3 | chronotis: no, when I right click the gnome menu on the panel and try to edit it, I cannot |
| 19:00.46 | stew | JordiGH: build a symlink? that's just calling symlink(2) |
| 19:00.48 | JordiGH | shadeheim: Does said package use the GNU build process? Does the INSTALL file say what it needs? Are you sure it's not already in debian? |
| 19:01.13 | JordiGH | stew: No manual entry for symlink in section 2 |
| 19:01.14 | h3sp4wn | en1gma: kdeinit or kcontrol (but it wasn't a good question so could be interpretted 2 ways) |
| 19:01.28 | en1gma | yea i guess those are 2 different questions |
| 19:01.37 | en1gma | the most important right now is services |
| 19:01.41 | stew | manpages-dev: /usr/share/man/man2/symlink.2.gz |
| 19:01.53 | decepticon_ | i think my dad would very much like debian :) |
| 19:01.54 | JordiGH | stew: From non-free, perhaps? |
| 19:01.54 | en1gma | kdeinit controls which services get starter? |
| 19:01.55 | shadeheim | I'm thinking hypothetically, I don't have a particular package in mind. Yea it would be a standard GNU build process. Is an INSTALL file almost always included in tar.gz packages? |
| 19:01.57 | annoia | wols_ - Ok, the problem from earlier, trying load balancing. I decided to upgrade from kernel 2.6.8 to 2.6.18... That helped a bit. Now it routes something, but it still doesn't seem to balance (except for when I'm using the machine locally). |
| 19:01.59 | wols_ | en1gma: what "services"? |
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| 19:02.10 | en1gma | well like apache and others |
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| 19:02.22 | en1gma | i guess those are running apps |
| 19:02.27 | JordiGH | Ah, no, it's in mina. |
| 19:02.27 | chronotis | piztek3, look in your preferences for a menu editing utility |
| 19:02.28 | JordiGH | main. |
| 19:02.32 | wols_ | annoia: you mean your NAT stuff isn't load balanced |
| 19:02.39 | annoia | wols_ - Exactly |
| 19:02.53 | h3sp4wn | en1gma: apache is nothing to do with kde |
| 19:03.00 | JordiGH | shadeheim: An INSTALL file should be included and it should say what the package's build and use dependencies are. |
| 19:03.06 | wols_ | en1gma: those are "daemons". and kde has nothing to do with them. |
| 19:03.08 | stew | JordiGH: heh, no, looks like MIT license :) |
| 19:03.17 | wols_ | en1gma: /etc/init.d/ |
| 19:03.18 | piztek3 | chronotis: is alacarte the only one? |
| 19:03.23 | en1gma | can KDE controler which daemons get started? |
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| 19:03.28 | en1gma | wols_ thanks |
| 19:03.38 | en1gma | is there a gui FE for that |
| 19:03.49 | wols_ | en1gma: if you write a program which stupidly does, yes then it can control them |
| 19:03.54 | wols_ | but no one would want to do that |
| 19:04.11 | en1gma | wols_ everyone does not know there way around every text file in linux |
| 19:04.25 | en1gma | i am trying to make this user friendly as possible for my friend |
| 19:04.26 | annoia | wols_ - Any ideas on that? |
| 19:04.41 | wols_ | annoia: not really. what do you use for NAT? |
| 19:04.44 | JordiGH | The best part is that it's mostly text files. Does your OS expose all of its configuration files in plain text? |
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| 19:04.55 | en1gma | you start going into console or an editor and turns alot of linux users off that are used to windows |
| 19:04.55 | annoia | wols_ - ip tables... You mean the commands? |
| 19:05.16 | chronotis | piztek3, it's the official one |
| 19:05.19 | wols_ | annoia: i mean, self grown, ipmasq, firestarter, etc |
| 19:05.19 | h3sp4wn | en1gma: In which case if that is what they want they are better off to use windows |
| 19:05.26 | annoia | wols_ - Self grown |
| 19:05.37 | piztek3 | chronotis: thank you |
| 19:05.44 | chronotis | piztek3, no problem |
| 19:05.49 | en1gma | h3sp4wn with your logic we would all just be in the console then wouldnt we |
| 19:05.50 | en1gma | lol |
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| 19:06.00 | en1gma | maybe with an X server running and no desktopo |
| 19:06.03 | piztek3 | it should really be easier to delete these menu items |
| 19:06.08 | annoia | wols_ - We're doing a lot in the firewall, so a generic program won't be able to handle it. |
| 19:06.17 | Ronin | en1gma: hey im a big gui fan myself but they are right, usually, when they say to use a term to do something |
| 19:06.41 | en1gma | there is a gui app for everything in kde i mean come on |
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| 19:06.48 | JordiGH | That's not funny. I *am* at the console. |
| 19:06.50 | wols_ | en1gma: man update-rc.d |
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| 19:07.11 | wols_ | then maybe you should get off your ass and search for it? |
| 19:07.12 | cydork | en1gma: well there is rcconf which is pretty easy.. |
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| 19:07.23 | wols_ | I give you a hint: sysv or sysvinit |
| 19:07.28 | wols_ | for search terms |
| 19:07.35 | en1gma | i typed rcconf in his term and nothing popped up |
| 19:07.38 | LLcoolM | bahadunn: well ogg doesnt work either and my pocketpc cannot play it back well |
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| 19:07.44 | cydork | en1gma: /msg dpkg installit |
| 19:07.49 | en1gma | ok |
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| 19:07.59 | en1gma | thanks |
| 19:08.05 | JordiGH | LLcoolM: ogg doesn't work? That's bizarre. It works for me. |
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| 19:08.12 | JordiGH | LLcoolM: Vorbis you mean, right? |
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| 19:08.23 | wols_ | JordiGH: it doesn't work on his (slow) portable |
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| 19:08.34 | Bagoor | I'm looking for a ScreenCapture application to capture some 3D stuff. Give me a suggestion please :) |
| 19:08.47 | Deepa | Whats the name of the package containing the headers for kernel-image-xyz? |
| 19:08.59 | cydork | Bagoor: capture some 3d stuff?? |
| 19:09.00 | bahadunn | tarzeau: dude |
| 19:09.00 | xand | Deepa: apt-cache search |
| 19:09.02 | en1gma | dpkg -i rcconf does not install anything |
| 19:09.03 | dpkg | package rcconf does not install anything is already installed |
| 19:09.04 | JordiGH | Deepa: kernel-headers-foo |
| 19:09.04 | wols_ | Deepa: linux-header |
| 19:09.10 | karsten | !tell Deepa about search |
| 19:09.16 | Deepa | Well, I'm installing drivers |
| 19:09.19 | bahadunn | Bagoor: capture it one dimension at a time |
| 19:09.23 | wols_ | JordiGH: not called kernel* anymore |
| 19:09.24 | LLcoolM | JordiGH: yes, but the problem is ogg doesnt work with h264 |
| 19:09.25 | cydork | en1gma: learn about aptitude, synaptic even |
| 19:09.26 | Deepa | And I have to boot windows/bds to have internet >.< |
| 19:09.28 | wols_ | not since debian/BSD |
| 19:09.34 | LLcoolM | at least not within vlc |
| 19:09.35 | en1gma | im doing what i was told |
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| 19:09.42 | JordiGH | LLcoolM: wtf is h264? |
| 19:09.50 | bahadunn | wols_: what do you mean not since debian/bsd? |
| 19:09.50 | en1gma | iptables --flush && ipta <<<by you |
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| 19:09.54 | wols_ | JordiGH: a codec. HD video |
| 19:09.54 | en1gma | grrr |
| 19:09.55 | cydork | JordiGH: voip protocol? |
| 19:10.03 | en1gma | [09:07] <cydork> en1gma: /msg dpkg installit by you |
| 19:10.03 | piztek3 | are there any other ways to edit the gnome menu? |
| 19:10.08 | Deepa | thanks btw |
| 19:10.08 | LLcoolM | JordiGH: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.264 excellent video codec |
| 19:10.12 | Bagoor | cydork, bahadunn, I want to capture 2D of course ! The reason I mentioned 3D, because it should be fast to be able capture it. like capturing beryl stuff |
| 19:10.13 | wols_ | bahadunn: there is some BSD based debian version. debian/freebsd I think |
| 19:10.21 | bahadunn | wols_: yes I know about it |
| 19:10.23 | wols_ | that prompted a namechange from "kernel" to "linux" afaik |
| 19:10.34 | bahadunn | wols_: do they have freebsd kernels in main debian archives now? |
| 19:10.44 | cydork | en1gma: you have to get it from the repos. use synaptic or aptitude. |
| 19:10.53 | bahadunn | wols_: wowee they sure do |
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| 19:11.15 | Bagoor | No body knows a screen capture application ? |
| 19:11.15 | bahadunn | wols_: I didnt think debian/bsd would be ready for release on etch though |
| 19:11.27 | cydork | Bagoor: google for xvidcap |
| 19:11.31 | en1gma | k |
| 19:11.32 | en1gma | thnx |
| 19:11.33 | Deepa | I'm using the AMD64 version |
| 19:11.38 | Deepa | Are there no headers at all for my kernel? |
| 19:11.42 | schme | Does Debian/kfreebsd force gnu userland on ya? |
| 19:11.42 | piztek3 | how can I change the date format? |
| 19:11.44 | wols_ | there are |
| 19:11.52 | cydork | Bagoor: or Istanbul even. |
| 19:11.53 | wols_ | every debian kernel has headers availanble |
| 19:12.13 | Deepa | cant find any with the http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages search |
| 19:12.13 | xand | Deepa: apt-cache search linux-headers |
| 19:12.18 | Bagoor | cydork, ok,thx |
| 19:12.19 | wols_ | !find kernel-header etch |
| 19:12.20 | Deepa | But I'm not at linux atm! |
| 19:12.22 | piztek3 | how can I change the date format? |
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| 19:12.29 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'kernel-header' (1): (/usr/share/doc/HOWTO/ja-html/LFS-BOOK/chapter05/kernel-headers.html) in doc/doc-linux-ja-html. |
| 19:13.15 | xand | linux-headers-2.6.18-4-amd64 |
| 19:13.30 | Deepa | You have searched for linux-header in stable, architecture amd64. |
| 19:13.30 | Deepa | Can't find that file, at least not in that distribution and on that architecture :< |
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| 19:13.44 | wols_ | Dark_Apostrophe: http://packages.debian.org/stable/devel/linux-headers-2.6.18-4-all |
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| 19:13.57 | wols_ | Deepa: http://packages.debian.org/stable/devel/linux-headers-2.6.18-4-all |
| 19:13.58 | Deepa | thanks |
| 19:14.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | wols_: ? |
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| 19:14.31 | xand | Deepa: http://packages.debian.org/stable/devel/linux-headers-2.6-amd64 |
| 19:14.58 | wols_ | Dark_Apostrophe: misfire. sorry |
| 19:14.58 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok |
| 19:14.58 | wols_ | Dark_Apostrophe: go back to sleep :) |
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| 19:15.16 | karsten | shadey_: WRT those chicks, they're pretty cute ... |
| 19:15.23 | karsten | shadey_: ... for 12 y.o.s ;-) |
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| 19:15.53 | Deepa | thanks xand |
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| 19:17.17 | Decepticon | i am trying to use sshfs to mount a remote filesystem, when i run sudo sshfs username@host:/path /localmountpoint and when i enter the password for login, i see: fusermount: failed to open /dev/fuse: No such file or directory |
| 19:17.19 | Deepa | brb installing packages |
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| 19:17.32 | piztek3 | how can I make beryl-manager auto-start? |
| 19:17.40 | cydork | Decepticon: fuse module is loaded? |
| 19:17.46 | JordiGH | LLcoolM: So ogg can contain h264? Is h264 patent-encumbered or not? |
| 19:17.46 | Decepticon | how do i check? |
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| 19:17.52 | cydork | piztek3: ask beryl? |
| 19:17.55 | cydork | Decepticon: lsmod |
| 19:18.13 | Decepticon | i did lsmod | grep fuse, i dont see anything |
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| 19:18.18 | LLcoolM | JordiGH: once again vlc does h264 but does not aac or mp3. where is the sense in that? |
| 19:18.22 | cydork | Decepticon: modprobe it. |
| 19:18.25 | wols_ | piztek3: you've already gotten an answer on that one. it didn't change since then |
| 19:18.28 | JordiGH | LLcoolM: I see that h264 is also patent-encumbered. Get thee to Marillat already. I'm pretty sure it has a different vlc there. |
| 19:18.37 | Decepticon | cydork im not sure, this is beyond my expertise, what that means |
| 19:18.37 | tarzeau | bahadunn: yes? |
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| 19:18.50 | cydork | Decepticon: type modprobe fuse as root |
| 19:18.54 | bahadunn | tarzeau: just saying hello |
| 19:18.55 | LLcoolM | JordiGH: i already pointed out that there is no different vlc on mariallats page. |
| 19:18.56 | wols_ | Decepticon: man modprobe |
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| 19:19.46 | en1gma | if i install fluxbox desktop do i need to get a X device manager too |
| 19:19.57 | JordiGH | LLcoolM: Bah. I can't figure out how to browse Marillat, but I've been able to play every media file with Marillat's packages. I'm still skeptical. |
| 19:20.29 | karsten | en1gma: s/device/display/, and no, not necessarially. |
| 19:20.36 | wols_ | en1gma: what is a X device manager? |
| 19:20.49 | en1gma | xdm is one i thought |
| 19:21.03 | JordiGH | LLcoolM: And it's not a different vlc you need, it's just the codecs. |
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| 19:21.14 | wols_ | en1gma: see what karsten said. and no you don't need one ever |
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| 19:22.14 | en1gma | im just wondering what i need to do (if i install fluxbox) how do i boot to it and if i want how do i switch back to kde |
| 19:22.16 | karsten | en1gma: an X display manager fires up X for you automatically and provides a login screen. But you can also log in to console and run startx. Note that this will leave your console session running if you don't take preventive measures. |
| 19:22.24 | karsten | en1gma: 'startx & exit' is one way around that. |
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| 19:24.46 | Decepticon | cydork i was able to run the command, sudo sshfs username@host:/path /localmountpoint, sucessfully after running modprobe fuse as root... however I think I need to edit some permissions because I can't seem to access /localmountpoint as a regular user (i can as root, and the files are mounted) |
| 19:24.46 | karsten | en1gma: To switch to KDE: startx :0 -- startkde |
| 19:24.46 | en1gma | well i would like a little gui so a friend can pick which one to start |
| 19:24.47 | en1gma | with no typing in console |
| 19:24.47 | karsten | en1gma: ... IIRC. Or modify your .xinitrc / .Xsession file. |
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| 19:24.47 | en1gma | come on |
| 19:24.47 | karsten | en1gma: Then install an X display manager: GDM, KDM, WDM, XDM are your choices. |
| 19:24.48 | en1gma | this is for people that dont use console |
| 19:24.48 | hrmphh | raid1: raid set md0 active with 1 out of 2 mirrors ... how can i fix or figure out why the raid doesnt include both drives? |
| 19:24.48 | cydork | Decepticon: hmm there is some option for that.. check sshfs documentation. |
| 19:24.48 | en1gma | ok cool |
| 19:24.48 | karsten | en1gma: You asked if you had to install one, the answer is no, you don't have to. |
| 19:24.48 | en1gma | xdm |
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| 19:24.48 | karsten | en1gma: However there's nothing stopping you from doing so. |
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| 19:24.48 | en1gma | oh sorry for my working |
| 19:24.49 | asarch | !debian |
| 19:24.49 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 19:24.49 | en1gma | my bad |
| 19:24.49 | karsten | I'd pick KDM or WDM myself. |
| 19:24.49 | karsten | xdm doesn't give you a startup chooser AFAIR. |
| 19:24.49 | wols_ | wdm would be a good choice for a fluxbox user |
| 19:24.49 | asarch | !slackware |
| 19:24.49 | dpkg | [slackware] a distribution made by Patrick. See ##slackware, or http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/slackware.jpg |
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| 19:24.49 | JordiGH | Holy crap, there's a /usr/share/doc/debian directory. Why wasn't I informed of this? |
| 19:24.50 | en1gma | if i install KDM it will ask him on everyboot which DE he wants to pick? |
| 19:24.50 | JordiGH | en1gma: Yes. |
| 19:24.50 | en1gma | ok thanks |
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| 19:24.50 | JordiGH | en1gma: So will GDM or WDM or anything else for that matter. |
| 19:24.50 | wols_ | en1gma: wdm will too and needs less kde support stuff |
| 19:24.51 | wols_ | JordiGH: not anything. xdm didn't last I checked |
| 19:24.51 | en1gma | KDM says its installed already |
| 19:24.51 | JordiGH | en1gma: Will, not really ask him, but just allow him to change it from a menu. He has to be savvy enough to know that there are options. |
| 19:24.52 | wols_ | en1gma: then run it |
| 19:24.55 | unlink | why isn't scim the default input method for some of my gnome applications? GTK_IM_MODULE=scim in my environment |
| 19:24.56 | karsten | en1gma: No. |
| 19:25.01 | karsten | en1gma: It defaults to last choice. |
| 19:25.06 | shadey_ | karsten: rofl |
| 19:25.11 | en1gma | ok cool |
| 19:25.18 | unlink | !ubuntu |
| 19:25.19 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 19:25.26 | cydork | Decepticon: mount it as user and not as root. |
| 19:25.27 | en1gma | ok let me ask this |
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| 19:25.30 | karsten | shadey_: For some reason, eminem's huge in the pre-teen set. |
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| 19:25.59 | karsten | en1gma: You can install and test these pretty trivially yourself, BTW.] |
| 19:26.03 | en1gma | when he presses the power button his computer to turn it on....is there a way to go to a gui desktop manager that lets him pick what he wants to start for a DE |
| 19:26.04 | Decepticon | ah ok |
| 19:26.08 | eeyore- | hrmphh: /proc/mdstat |
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| 19:26.19 | karsten | en1gma: Yes. |
| 19:26.25 | en1gma | which one is that |
| 19:26.32 | karsten | en1gma: GDM, KDM, WDM all do that. |
| 19:26.37 | adam_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:26.44 | Vasistha | adam_: xorg.conf |
| 19:26.51 | en1gma | i just typed kdm/KDM in console and it didnt do anything |
| 19:26.54 | wols_ | !tell adam_ about drxx |
| 19:26.55 | cydork | !drxx adam_ |
| 19:26.55 | dpkg | adam_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 19:26.59 | karsten | en1gma: My prefs are KDM and WDM myself, I tend to dislike GNOME. KDM's got a GUI user selector as well as startup selector. |
| 19:26.59 | JordiGH | en1gma: All of them. But he has to be smart enough to click on the menu that allows him to choose the X session he wants. |
| 19:27.05 | adam_ | Vasistha thx |
| 19:27.05 | karsten | !tell en1gma about installit |
| 19:27.14 | karsten | en1gma: aptitude install kdm |
| 19:27.16 | cydork | adam_: dont edit that file by hand |
| 19:27.20 | en1gma | i have it |
| 19:27.23 | en1gma | it says its installed |
| 19:27.28 | en1gma | and i have newest version |
| 19:27.30 | wols_ | en1gma: dpkg-reconfigure it |
| 19:27.31 | stew | en1gma: /etc/init.d/kdm start |
| 19:27.38 | en1gma | ok 1 min |
| 19:27.39 | en1gma | thnx |
| 19:27.45 | karsten | en1gma: what stew said. |
| 19:27.58 | karsten | en1gma: You have to kill your existing X session on display :0 BTW. |
| 19:28.10 | JordiGH | stew: dpkg-reconfigure kdm will allow you to choose with dm you want. |
| 19:28.12 | karsten | ... or actually, it'll be killed for you. |
| 19:28.14 | stew | hopefully he'd figure that out from the error he'd get |
| 19:28.24 | wols_ | stew: optimist |
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| 19:28.38 | en1gma | its not doing anything after i reconfigured kdm when i type kdm in console |
| 19:28.40 | karsten | en1gma: And if kdm's installed, it should start automatically anyhow, unless you've done something to it. |
| 19:28.43 | en1gma | ohhh |
| 19:28.43 | stew | JordiGH: yes. i'm just saying that him trying to type kdm into console is not the way tot start it |
| 19:28.48 | en1gma | maybe i need to kill it |
| 19:28.51 | en1gma | or just reboot |
| 19:28.56 | stew | !reboot |
| 19:28.56 | dpkg | you want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about qotd2 |
| 19:28.58 | karsten | en1gma: <ctrl><alt><F7> |
| 19:29.02 | wols_ | en1gma: it's not supposed to. ls /etc/rc2.d/S99* |
| 19:29.03 | stew | !qotd2 |
| 19:29.03 | dpkg | <mrvn> Broadcast message from root (Sat Aug 7 05:48:42 2004): <mrvn> The system is going down for system halt NOW! <mrvn> What the fuck is dselect/dpkg doing a reboot for? <trave11er> mrvn: for changes to take effect? ;-) <StevenK> mrvn: You *had* to move the mouse, didn't you? <mrvn> StevenK: damn, yes. I accidentally pushed it. |
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| 19:29.06 | hrmphh | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:29.12 | karsten | en1gma: ... should already be running. Or 'ps waux | grep [k]dm' |
| 19:29.12 | hrmphh | eeyore-; thats from mdadm --detail /dev/md0 |
| 19:29.30 | hrmphh | im also seeing in /proc/mdstat: md0 : active raid1 sda1[0] 480568256 blocks [2/1] [U_] |
| 19:29.37 | en1gma | i did a cntrl-alt-backspace now i getting ready to open a su term |
| 19:30.10 | en1gma | its not doing anything when i type kdm/KDM |
| 19:30.14 | en1gma | no errors |
| 19:30.22 | en1gma | just goes to next line |
| 19:30.44 | LLcoolM | another thing: how can i put up a network device automatically when i plug the cable in? |
| 19:30.56 | LLcoolM | hotplug doesnt work as it has been replaced by udev etc. |
| 19:30.57 | en1gma | shutting down other box |
| 19:30.59 | en1gma | 1 min |
| 19:31.06 | piztek3 | is GNOME's date format editable? |
| 19:31.34 | karsten | piztek3: ask #gnome |
| 19:31.45 | piztek3 | you mean ##gnome? |
| 19:31.50 | piztek3 | nobody is answering |
| 19:31.52 | karsten | piztek3: And what exactly do you mean? Localization should be possible. |
| 19:31.57 | karsten | piztek3: Not our problem ;-) |
| 19:32.14 | piztek3 | i mean I want to change how it's displayed, outside of the options i'm given |
| 19:32.39 | karsten | piztek3: The usual answer to that is 1) gconf 2) recode it yourself 3) get smart and use a real IDE. |
| 19:32.42 | Decepticon | cydork when i try to mount the remote filesystem as a user (instead of root) i get the following error: "fuse: failed to exec fusermount: Permission denied" |
| 19:32.59 | Decepticon | ive added myself to the fuse usergroup though |
| 19:33.06 | Decepticon | not sure whats going on |
| 19:33.17 | piztek3 | karsten: a real IDE like what? |
| 19:33.17 | eeyore- | hrmphh: i like /proc/mdstat, see, the "_" drive = down drive |
| 19:33.23 | cydork | Decepticon: http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2005/10/28/how-to-mount-a-remote-ssh-filesystem-using-sshfs/ |
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| 19:33.34 | cydork | Decepticon: follow those instructions .. |
| 19:33.35 | Decepticon | cydork that is the article i am following |
| 19:33.48 | karsten | piztek3: I'd pick KDE or XFCE4 if I used one, but I don't. WindowMaker + mostly KDE apps if not CLI/ncurses. |
| 19:33.56 | Decepticon | and im getting that error about permission denied. |
| 19:34.06 | cydork | Decepticon: then do you own that directory? |
| 19:34.07 | piztek3 | interesting |
| 19:34.11 | cydork | Decepticon: check the permissions.. |
| 19:34.22 | Decepticon | cydork, i did as the article said, i did sudo chown /localmountpoint |
| 19:34.32 | Decepticon | i did sudo chown myuser /localmountpoint |
| 19:34.35 | en1gma | when i type kdm in the run box the only thing that comes on is KDE control module and i do not see any setting to pick fluxbox |
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| 19:35.10 | eeyore- | piztek3: date format? pick the proper locale :_) |
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| 19:35.23 | cydork | Decepticon: ls -l /localmountpoint |
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| 19:36.46 | Decepticon | cydork that command returns a 'total 0' probably because ive unmounted the remote filesystem when i tried to mount it as a user |
| 19:37.10 | cydork | Decepticon: sorry ls -ld /localmountpoint :P |
| 19:37.11 | Decepticon | i dont know if this makes a difference but ill say it: the /localmountpoint im referring to is actually /mnt/colbert |
| 19:37.25 | Decepticon | is there something different about directories in /mnt |
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| 19:37.57 | Decepticon | decepticon@decepticon:/mnt/colbert$ ls -ld /mnt/colbert/ |
| 19:37.57 | Decepticon | drwxr-xr-x 2 decepticon root 4096 2007-05-16 15:04 /mnt/colbert/ |
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| 19:39.54 | cydork | Decepticon: hmm can you paste the command you are using and the output in a pastebin |
| 19:40.12 | Decepticon | what part are you looking for that i need to paste? |
| 19:40.15 | wols_ | en1gma: start kdm with /etc/init.d/kdm start. no other way |
| 19:40.24 | nvz | Decepticon: the command and the output |
| 19:40.27 | cydork | Decepticon: the command you are executing and the output. |
| 19:41.04 | Decepticon | i was asking about which command are you asking me to paste about |
| 19:41.18 | cydork | Decepticon: for mounting the sshfs one. |
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| 19:41.27 | Decepticon | mounting as a user, correct? |
| 19:41.32 | cydork | Decepticon: yeah. |
| 19:41.34 | Decepticon | okay |
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| 19:42.43 | Decepticon | http://pastebin.ca/491633 |
| 19:42.43 | daft | Hi, I have a kvm VM windows that i want to access with svncviewer (direct fb) hou can i start that automaticly on tty 11 for example with out login in to it |
| 19:42.45 | en1gma | omg after as many times as ive seen that login screen i never knew "Session" did that |
| 19:43.15 | en1gma | i started fluxbox and its missing the computer info in the desktop it usually has (like gkrellm) but not gkrellm |
| 19:43.20 | en1gma | anyone know what i mean |
| 19:43.27 | hrmphh | where is raid setup stored? |
| 19:43.28 | hrmphh | the config file? |
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| 19:45.14 | zapada | Why do I get "Cannot open your terminal '/dev/ttyp0' - please check." when I try to run screen as a non-root user? |
| 19:45.15 | SamuraiDio | hi |
| 19:45.27 | SamuraiDio | how do i set my default browser and other applications? |
| 19:45.45 | tarzeau | SamuraiDio: BROWSER="links2 -g" |
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| 19:45.49 | xand | SamuraiDio: for what? |
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| 19:46.29 | wols_ | en1gma: conky |
| 19:46.36 | chronotis | SamuraiDio, are you using gnome? |
| 19:48.21 | solemnwarning | Do LVM snapshots store the entire modified file or just the changed parts of a file? |
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| 19:48.59 | SamuraiDio | i use Enlightenment wm |
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| 19:49.39 | SirFunk | hey, is it possible to specify your root directory with apt? |
| 19:49.50 | chronotis | SamuraiDio, e16, or e17? I haven't used e17 so I might not be able to help you with that |
| 19:49.52 | SamuraiDio | tarzeau, where do i set it? |
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| 19:50.24 | tarzeau | SamuraiDio: i set it in .zshrc |
| 19:50.25 | SamuraiDio | chronotis, e17, but people on #e said thats a distro specifiq |
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| 19:50.52 | solemnwarning | Also, is there an iptables if/filter/thingy thats equiv to 'if destination IP == IP address of iface ethX'? |
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| 19:51.06 | SamuraiDio | tarzeau, i can set on my enlightenment start, but what is links2 -g? |
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| 19:51.25 | EvilGuru | I am on lenny and just did an apt-get upgrade and it upgraded phpmyadmin |
| 19:51.42 | EvilGuru | now when I go http://myserver/phpmyadmin I get a 404: I have removed and re-installed it to no avail |
| 19:51.46 | dondelelcaro | SirFunk: yes, but you almost certainly don't want to |
| 19:51.55 | en1gma | im running aptitude from fluxbox and when i highlight an item to uninstall its now showing how much disk space will be save....it just keeps showing 256mb will be saved...no matter what i highlight. is this normal |
| 19:52.07 | stew | EvilGuru: check your apache logs to see where it thinks phpmyadmin should be |
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| 19:52.08 | en1gma | now = not |
| 19:52.27 | DawnLight | i want to do "ndiswrapper -a devid driver" (use installed 'driver' for 'devid'). how do i know the devid? |
| 19:52.59 | abrotman | lspci most likely |
| 19:52.59 | EvilGuru | stew: What config file does it use for pma stuff |
| 19:53.04 | vin` | SamuraiDio: tried? update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 19:53.09 | DawnLight | oh i get it thanks |
| 19:53.27 | SamuraiDio | tarzeau, BROWSER="mozilla -g"? what means the '-g'? |
| 19:53.43 | tarzeau | SamuraiDio: -g is for links2 to be graphical |
| 19:53.43 | stew | EvilGuru: are you asking where the phpmyadmin config file is? |
| 19:53.58 | EvilGuru | stew: Yes |
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| 19:54.23 | stew | EvilGuru: dunno, it should be /etc/phpmyadmin* ; /usr/share/doc/phpmyadmin would tell you |
| 19:55.10 | EvilGuru | Okay found its apache config, but how do I include it into my main config |
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| 19:55.51 | SamuraiDio | vin`, it worked, thankx, really tnx |
| 19:57.24 | SirFunk | dondelelcaro: i certainly do want to.. how do you do it? :-P |
| 19:58.26 | EvilGuru | Thanks! |
| 19:59.12 | bzed | EvilGuru: if it's autogenerated it could be in /var/lib/phpmadmin as far as I remember, both places work. not sure in which order it'll be read |
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| 19:59.46 | EvilGuru | Just needed to add: Include /etc/phpmyadmin/apache.conf to /etc/apache2/apache2.conf |
| 20:00.56 | hackmiker | what does 'The following packages have been kept back:' mean? |
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| 20:01.52 | tarzeau | hackmiker: whatever you did to your packages, it wasn't done to the packages that were kept back |
| 20:01.55 | cydork | hackmiker: /msg dpkg kept back |
| 20:02.16 | rahul | it means use aptitude :) |
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| 20:02.31 | hackmiker | kthx |
| 20:02.32 | hackmiker | :D |
| 20:02.33 | tarzeau | it means you can safely do apt-get --purge remove dselect aptitude |
| 20:02.37 | rahul | if you want it to actually do anything to those packages |
| 20:02.59 | tarzeau | rahul: keeping packages back is good, aptitude is a failure |
| 20:03.10 | vin` | tarzeau: why just those? add apt-get too while you're at it. :) |
| 20:03.17 | en1gma | me and my friend just isntalled debian sid....im thinking it installed "KDE full" and not "KDE base or KDE core" is there a way to alter KDE to revert back to KDE core or KDE base? |
| 20:03.31 | abrotman | remove packages you don't want |
| 20:03.32 | rahul | en1gma: sid is unsupported. |
| 20:03.36 | en1gma | just installed = couple days ago |
| 20:03.36 | cydork | tarzeau: i know you like pkg-add.. :P |
| 20:03.46 | tarzeau | cydork: i like apt-get |
| 20:03.59 | vin` | no apt.app |
| 20:04.11 | SirFunk | is there a way to set --root for apt-get like you can for dpkg? |
| 20:04.11 | tarzeau | vin`: that'd be Install.app |
| 20:04.12 | en1gma | ok say i installed debian ethc which i could do again...is there a way to switch to kde base or kde core after i am already in kde full |
| 20:04.17 | vin` | tarzeau: ah |
| 20:04.31 | rahul | en1gma: install or uninstall wahtever packages you like |
| 20:04.42 | rahul | en1gma: what's the problem? |
| 20:04.49 | tarzeau | vin`: http://gnu.ethz.ch/www.levenez.com/installer.png |
| 20:04.51 | abrotman | en1gma: FFS .. remove the packages you don't want |
| 20:05.01 | en1gma | no that isnt what i asked. |
| 20:05.14 | abrotman | en1gma: then remove all of KDE .. then install what you want |
| 20:05.17 | abrotman | !remove kde |
| 20:05.17 | dpkg | it has been said that remove kde is aptitude purge kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a |
| 20:05.19 | en1gma | i asked if it could revert to kde base or kde core after a kde full install |
| 20:05.26 | en1gma | ok thats what i was thinking |
| 20:05.26 | rahul | yes |
| 20:05.27 | en1gma | crap |
| 20:05.30 | cydork | tarzeau: eww :P |
| 20:05.31 | rahul | uninstall whatever you don't want |
| 20:05.41 | en1gma | rahul i already know that |
| 20:05.43 | abrotman | en1gma: it's not that big of a deal |
| 20:05.45 | en1gma | that isnt what i asked |
| 20:05.48 | abrotman | unless it's a P133 :) |
| 20:06.16 | abrotman | <P133> WHAT?!?! you want me to uninstall KDE?! |
| 20:06.23 | en1gma | what happened to the old debian installer that let us selct what we wanted |
| 20:06.24 | abrotman | * P133 prepares for three days of work |
| 20:06.41 | abrotman | en1gma: the etch installer also does .. you just didn't read the install guide |
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| 20:08.00 | vin` | en1gma: you're done with the installer, use aptitude and tweak away |
| 20:08.23 | rahul | en1gma: it was replaced with something that lets you select what you want |
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| 20:08.57 | en1gma | it lets you select system and desktop |
| 20:09.06 | en1gma | if you dont click desktop you get no DE |
| 20:09.12 | en1gma | unless you goto console |
| 20:09.25 | en1gma | brb trying xfce |
| 20:09.35 | rahul | what a tool. |
| 20:09.51 | xand | ;o |
| 20:09.55 | vin` | he's been whining about the installer for a few days, is he still installing? |
| 20:10.15 | xand | if he was using gentoo that'd be normal ;) |
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| 20:11.11 | cydork | heh |
| 20:11.35 | abrotman | life sucks when you use tasksel |
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| 20:12.11 | stew | i like tasksel |
| 20:12.19 | abrotman | yeah .. but you're weird! |
| 20:12.30 | abrotman | it's useful for some items .. Desktop isn't one of them |
| 20:12.32 | stew | i think to like tasksel, you have to write you own tasks |
| 20:12.55 | abrotman | that'll do it too :) |
| 20:13.16 | abrotman | but couldn't you just write a metapackage ? |
| 20:13.20 | omri | what mode should I use to network two wireless NICs? (iwconfig mode) |
| 20:13.20 | abrotman | erm .. create |
| 20:13.22 | stew | the only tasks i ever install are tasks like "stew-shell" "stew-net" "vireo-web-server'... |
| 20:13.29 | stew | abrotman: becuase tasks are easier to write |
| 20:13.33 | abrotman | i suppose |
| 20:13.41 | vin` | stew: there was an interesting thread about CDD iirc, which would take tasksel to nested options and what not, dunno where it ended. |
| 20:14.29 | stew | vin`: nested options? how does that work? |
| 20:14.35 | stew | i haven't followed cdd at all |
| 20:15.16 | vin` | stew: was on the d-d lists |
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| 20:16.47 | chronotis | omri, you mean just have multiple NIC's on a single machine and manage them easily? |
| 20:17.17 | vin` | stew: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2007/04/msg00540.html |
| 20:17.17 | chronotis | omri, or actually NETWORK them? |
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| 20:17.32 | XGirlFriend | Hi, i am installing debian etch with netinstall.iso and this popualarity contest thing shows up, i hit no but it still installs, why that |
| 20:17.50 | stew | omri: if you want to network two wireless cards on two different machines without an access point, you want ad-hoc mode |
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| 20:18.26 | en1gma | is there a sun-java6-plugin avail? i looked in synaptic and i dont see one....if there is not one avail why is it we can install sun-java6 and not be able to use it |
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| 20:19.02 | XGirlFriend | i think in sid there is |
| 20:19.07 | stew | XGirlFriend: it was installed but disabled. the question asking you to participate was part of the actual package install. you can doublecheck /etc/popularity-contents.conf and see that you should have PARTICIPATE='no' |
| 20:19.17 | stew | en1gma: /msg dpkg pdo |
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| 20:19.27 | abrotman | XGirlFriend: it just doesn't run it |
| 20:19.49 | XGirlFriend | :D ok |
| 20:20.02 | stew | XGirlFriend: feel free to remove the package if you don't want it |
| 20:20.07 | abrotman | XGirlFriend: you can uninstall it after the install is done |
| 20:20.44 | omri | chronotis, I meant what stew said |
| 20:20.50 | omri | stew, thanks |
| 20:20.51 | adam_ | who knows channel in german language? |
| 20:20.56 | stew | !de |
| 20:20.57 | dpkg | i heard de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 20:21.02 | vin` | stew: this was nested options vapourware. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2007/04/msg00569.html |
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| 20:21.13 | piztek3 | !compiz |
| 20:21.13 | dpkg | compiz is, like, a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on Xgl and AIGLX. It is now in Debian and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server.. Check http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz |
| 20:21.20 | adam_ | thx |
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| 20:21.44 | abrotman | vin`: uhm .. couldn't they just use aptitude ? :) |
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| 20:22.38 | stew | vin`: since tasks already have inheritence, i don't really see the point |
| 20:23.00 | vin` | it'll probably end up with aptitude |
| 20:23.01 | en1gma | i see sun-java6-plugin "http://packages.debian.org/testing/web/sun-java6-plugin" im wondering why its not listed in synaptic |
| 20:23.15 | abrotman | because you don't have contrib/non-free sources maybe ? |
| 20:23.15 | en1gma | ftp.debian.org main contrib non-free dont list it |
| 20:23.19 | stew | en1gma: what version of debian are you running? |
| 20:23.24 | en1gma | oh maybe not sources |
| 20:23.28 | en1gma | debian sid |
| 20:23.31 | abrotman | you don't need source packages |
| 20:23.32 | stew | yikes |
| 20:23.37 | abrotman | no kidding |
| 20:23.46 | abrotman | en1gma: apt-cache search java .. what do you get ? |
| 20:23.52 | abrotman | any plugins at all ? |
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| 20:24.05 | stew | en1gma: you must not be running i386 then |
| 20:24.05 | en1gma | one sec hes checking |
| 20:24.09 | abrotman | en1gma: and why are you running sid ? |
| 20:24.15 | en1gma | i686 kernel hes got installed |
| 20:24.21 | en1gma | 2.6.20-1 |
| 20:24.33 | piztek3 | why is xgl and aiglx not in repos for an amd64 user? |
| 20:25.12 | stew | piztek3: xgl is not packaged becuase it hasn't been released upstream yet and nobody has volunteered to pacakge it. aiglx is already part of xserver-xorg |
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| 20:25.31 | piztek3 | do i need xgl to run compiz |
| 20:25.34 | abrotman | no |
| 20:25.44 | piztek3 | okay than why won't it start? |
| 20:25.45 | abrotman | en1gma: paste your sources somewhere so that we can see them |
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| 20:25.48 | abrotman | !compiz |
| 20:25.49 | dpkg | compiz is, like, a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on Xgl and AIGLX. It is now in Debian and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server.. Check http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz |
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| 20:26.09 | piztek3 | http://pastebin.ca/491727 |
| 20:26.15 | piztek3 | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/491727 |
| 20:26.17 | en1gma | [10:23] <abrotman> en1gma: apt-cache search java .. what do you get ? yea it shows sun-java6-plugin....trying to figure out why its not listing in synaptic |
| 20:26.19 | piztek3 | that's my error |
| 20:26.41 | stew | piztek3: which driver are you using? |
| 20:26.57 | Bogus8 | are there any linux utils that can take a windows install (NTFS) and move it to another hd (smaller HD) |
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| 20:27.14 | Bogus8 | it's a fresh install but I need to move it to another HD quickly as I found a better use for this HD |
| 20:27.18 | piztek3 | stew: i'm using the nvidia |
| 20:27.26 | Bogus8 | something like Ghost is what I'm looking for |
| 20:27.28 | chops | Bogus8: NTFS you're better off handling with Windows tools in all likelihoos |
| 20:27.31 | chops | *likelihood |
| 20:27.40 | en1gma | god damn it...it is in synaptic |
| 20:27.47 | en1gma | when did it come out |
| 20:28.12 | Bogus8 | g4u seems cool but it says going smaller will likely cause problems :( |
| 20:28.12 | _Rubyxx | I am using iceweasel and Epiphany web browsers on Debian Linux....I have just downloaded and installed JRE as part of Cmaptools (mind-mapping software)...My question is how can I configure Iceweasel and Epiphany to use this JRE installation? ....or do I need a seperate download? |
| 20:28.19 | piztek3 | stew? |
| 20:28.22 | hark | piztek3: try a compiz --replace instead |
| 20:28.29 | piztek3 | i did and everything froze |
| 20:29.00 | abrotman | piztek3: it tells you what to do |
| 20:29.10 | piztek3 | abrotman: i tried that and it froze |
| 20:29.12 | abrotman | en1gma: maybe synaptic uses different sources ? |
| 20:29.15 | piztek3 | everything locked up |
| 20:29.38 | Bogus8 | what I really want to do is just MOVE the data... would dd be able to do that? problem i see is that it's a 250gig drive down to an 80 gig drive (only 3.5 gigs used though) |
| 20:29.40 | stew | piztek3: i won't be able to help with the nvidia driver, sorry |
| 20:29.44 | en1gma | well i think it just had to come out |
| 20:29.47 | stew | _Rubyxx: are you using the debian pacakges of java? |
| 20:29.51 | piztek3 | how come? |
| 20:29.52 | Bogus8 | and I'm defragging right now to hopefully get it all in one place |
| 20:29.56 | en1gma | cause i didnt change any sources and it wasnt in there |
| 20:29.58 | en1gma | strange |
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| 20:30.03 | claudio` | Does anyone use rxvt-unicode without the ISO 14755 support? |
| 20:30.04 | piztek3 | stew: do you know the fix |
| 20:30.15 | abrotman | en1gma: have you considered using etch ? |
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| 20:30.32 | en1gma | yea etch is ok if you want to be stuck with java5 |
| 20:30.36 | en1gma | and other older apps |
| 20:30.38 | stew | 15:29 < stew> piztek3: i won't be able to help with the nvidia driver, sorry |
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| 20:30.46 | abrotman | right .. but you don't have the technical level to run sid apparently |
| 20:30.49 | cydork | en1gma: IT'S NOT OLD! |
| 20:30.57 | en1gma | i didnt say etch was ol |
| 20:31.00 | stew | en1gma: /msg dpkg java-pacakge |
| 20:31.02 | piztek3 | ok, sorry |
| 20:31.04 | en1gma | i said some apps are older |
| 20:31.05 | stew | err java-package |
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| 20:31.12 | stew | en1gma: which apps? |
| 20:31.15 | stew | en1gma: /msg dpkg backports |
| 20:31.20 | en1gma | you do know java7 beta is out right |
| 20:31.25 | stew | yes |
| 20:31.30 | abrotman | why bother .. just run unstable with reckless abandon .. who needs stuff that actually works |
| 20:31.31 | _Rubyxx | stew: Yes I think I am but when I try to do somethings that require JRE the browsers ignore me.....but let me double-check |
| 20:31.31 | en1gma | ok etch comes with java5 |
| 20:31.34 | piztek3 | #compiz is just empty |
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| 20:31.47 | misreckoning | help! when booting I get this error "tzfile.c:344: __tzfile_read : Assertion `num_types == 1' |
| 20:32.01 | misreckoning | and everything blows up! |
| 20:32.16 | stew | en1gma: and you can use java-package to package java6 for etch, or you can backport the lenny/sid packages of java6 |
| 20:32.21 | misreckoning | I can't even execute halt or shutdown because those programs use time functions ! |
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| 20:32.24 | abrotman | misreckoning: did you compile your own kernel |
| 20:32.34 | misreckoning | abrotman: yes, but that was long time ago! |
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| 20:32.41 | abrotman | so what changed ? |
| 20:32.43 | stew | _Rubyxx: do you see java when you go to "about:plugins" in your browser? |
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| 20:32.49 | vin` | _Rubyxx: put libjavaplugin_oji.so somewhere so iceweasel/epiphany can use it, like /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ |
| 20:32.49 | misreckoning | abrotman: this happened yesterday when I changed the time/date in GNOME :/ |
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| 20:33.09 | abrotman | chnaged the date in gnome? |
| 20:33.20 | SoftIce | hi what ports need to be open for apt-get update to update its packages? 0% [Connecting to ftp.debian.org] [Connecting to security.debian.org] |
| 20:33.22 | SoftIce | hangs there |
| 20:33.24 | misreckoning | abrotman: yep :I |
| 20:33.29 | piztek3 | does compiz need fglrx? |
| 20:33.33 | abrotman | SoftIce: use a mirror |
| 20:33.41 | misreckoning | abrotman: serious bug :P |
| 20:33.41 | abrotman | SoftIce: and port 80 if you're using http sources |
| 20:33.43 | SoftIce | in sources.list I have deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
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| 20:33.50 | abrotman | misreckoning: checked the bts? |
| 20:33.54 | abrotman | !tell SoftIce about mirrors |
| 20:33.55 | misreckoning | abrotman: what is bts? |
| 20:33.58 | abrotman | !bts |
| 20:33.59 | dpkg | bts is probably the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 20:34.29 | stew | SoftIce: you should use http sources and you'll need to be able to make outgoing connections on port 80, or you'll need to be able to specify a proxy server. if for some odd reason you want to use ftp, then you'll need to be able to make outgoing connections on port 21 |
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| 20:34.52 | SoftIce | stew: thing is I have nothing closed for outgoing only incoming |
| 20:35.06 | stew | SoftIce: then you are all set |
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| 20:35.12 | misreckoning | which package could it be? tzdata? |
| 20:35.18 | holycow | *hmmm* |
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| 20:35.33 | _Rubyxx | no stew.....vin I think your advice is on the mark...I just have to be able to locate libjavaplugin_oji.so |
| 20:35.39 | holycow | what controls with which permissions users home folders are created? |
| 20:35.49 | stew | holycow: /etc/adduser.conf |
| 20:35.54 | holycow | oh danke! |
| 20:35.54 | stew | holycow: (dpkg-reconfigure adduser) |
| 20:35.59 | holycow | ahaa! |
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| 20:36.08 | stew | nedankinde |
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| 20:37.08 | Deepa | I took my servlist_.conf which I had used on windows, and put it into xchat's dir |
| 20:37.14 | Deepa | But the DOS format of it made it all screw up XD |
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| 20:38.41 | piztek3 | so let me get this straight, there is no xgl for amd64? |
| 20:38.58 | abrotman | there's NO xgl in debian |
| 20:38.59 | abrotman | at all |
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| 20:39.04 | abrotman | not even a little bit |
| 20:39.09 | piztek3 | so what d compiz'ers use? |
| 20:39.12 | abrotman | aiglx! |
| 20:39.17 | abrotman | !tell piztek3 about compiz |
| 20:39.19 | abrotman | go read that |
| 20:39.30 | stew | piztek3: there is no XGL for debian |
| 20:39.31 | piztek3 | okay so there's no aiglx for amd64? |
| 20:39.46 | stew | piztek3: there is aiglx for every arch in debian, its part of xserver-xorg |
| 20:39.52 | stew | (i feel like i'm repeating myself) |
| 20:39.55 | abrotman | you are |
| 20:40.02 | abrotman | someone isn't listening very well :) |
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| 20:42.25 | piztek3 | abrotman: okay so i don't need to install any type of aiglx package |
| 20:43.12 | stew | piztek3: you need to install the 'xorg' package |
| 20:43.14 | rahul | MY SHIFT KEY IS STUCK :| |
| 20:43.23 | piztek3 | stew: xorg is installed |
| 20:43.24 | stew | rahul: tap it? |
| 20:43.30 | rahul | TRIED THAT |
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| 20:43.41 | stew | rahul: both? |
| 20:43.43 | abrotman | rahul: try not typing |
| 20:43.44 | rahul | YEP |
| 20:43.52 | piztek3 | stew? |
| 20:43.54 | abrotman | !prize me |
| 20:43.58 | abrotman | :( |
| 20:43.59 | rahul | POO |
| 20:44.04 | stew | piztek3: what? |
| 20:44.10 | vince4096 | hello |
| 20:44.13 | piztek3 | xorg is installed |
| 20:44.15 | dondelelcaro | even better, use your mouse to select individual letters and paste them to talk. |
| 20:44.29 | vin` | piztek3: read http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz |
| 20:44.32 | stew | piztek3: then aiglx is installed |
| 20:44.35 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: that's what drunk people do! |
| 20:44.42 | rahul | CAN I RESET IT SOMEHOW? |
| 20:44.55 | en1gma | if i dlaoded the sun-java source and run its installer which builds it will it put it in the right place |
| 20:45.06 | dondelelcaro | rahul: try switching vts; alternatively, bang on it |
| 20:45.20 | abrotman | en1gma: no .. you've been told how to do it correctly |
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| 20:45.30 | en1gma | i got the plugin |
| 20:45.34 | en1gma | and it works fine |
| 20:45.38 | stew | i once worked with someone that refused to type a variable name twice. if he had ever typed it before, he'd use the mouse to open the file, select, edit->copy edit->paste, it was painful to watch |
| 20:45.47 | en1gma | the thing is sun-java6- is still out of date |
| 20:46.01 | en1gma | i need to install java 6.1 to be current |
| 20:46.10 | misreckoning | I still don't get it... Not much information on google either. I think /etc/localtime may be broken :/ |
| 20:46.40 | rahul | IT"S FINE ON MY VTS JUST BROKEN IN X |
| 20:47.10 | abrotman | isn't there an X applet to toggle that ? |
| 20:47.14 | chops | en1gma: Well, hell, man. Package it up for Debian so you can install it from the Debian package! Chop chop! |
| 20:47.20 | klync | anyone have experience using logger? all my msgs end up in the same file, no matter which priority level, but my rules in syslog.conf seem very clear about where to write info vs. warn messages |
| 20:47.36 | abrotman | en1gma: either use java-package like you've been told or go to #java and ask them how to get it to work |
| 20:47.38 | en1gma | i tried alien -d javaname and it dont like it for the rpm |
| 20:48.39 | vin` | abrotman: java-package won't work with the latest offerings |
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| 20:49.49 | abrotman | vin`: hey .. if you can run sid .. you should be able to make java-package work with the newest java! |
| 20:49.50 | misreckoning | I could really use any advice here :/ |
| 20:49.53 | SoftIce | i think debian.org needs a new site ;/ |
| 20:50.05 | abrotman | SoftIce: design one .. offer it to the project |
| 20:50.17 | misreckoning | I can't even mount my system corretly :p |
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| 20:50.31 | stew | SoftIce: its being worked on. your contribution would be valued, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-www |
| 20:50.32 | vin` | abrotman: can't be bothered, just installed noscript to weed out the cruft |
| 20:50.41 | SoftIce | stew ok |
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| 20:50.55 | klync | misreckoning: i quickly scrolled up, but couldn't find the original description of the problem |
| 20:51.34 | stew | rahul: you could try reloading xmodmap if you have a xmodmap, changing layouts and back with setxkbmap, or restarting x |
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| 20:52.16 | abrotman | klync: lastlog tzfile |
| 20:52.18 | misreckoning | klync: after changing a date in gnome, my system collapsed - now I can't start it on because I get error tzfile.c:344: __tzfile_read : Assertion `num_types == 1' |
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| 20:52.50 | klync | abrotman: cool tip ... thx |
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| 20:52.57 | misreckoning | actually it was time, not date ... |
| 20:53.22 | naitram | need to set up a time server , what to run |
| 20:53.39 | dondelelcaro | naitram: ntp-server |
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| 20:54.20 | naitram | dondelelcaro: thanks |
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| 20:54.37 | rahul | HMM |
| 20:54.50 | klync | misreckoning: sounds like gnome mucked something up, eh? i'd say reboot from cd and replace /etc/localtime with the one from /usr/lib or wherever they live |
| 20:55.26 | misreckoning | klync: well I doubt it is only GNOME's fault |
| 20:55.40 | misreckoning | klync: it shouldn't be possible to screw up you system just like that :P |
| 20:55.45 | klync | misreckoning: have much experience with gnome? :P |
| 20:55.50 | misreckoning | imagine that happening at some conferention :p |
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| 20:56.13 | misreckoning | klync: few years, using only ^^ |
| 20:56.28 | elias | Is there a way to get "wall" messages to be displayed in Gnome? |
| 20:57.30 | klync | misreckoning: there's also a file /etc/adjtime which stores the drift factor of your hw clock ... perhaps that got mucked during the time change |
| 20:57.57 | klync | (afaik, you can safely delete that file and it will get regenerated) |
| 20:58.43 | misreckoning | klync: so, since I now have dual debian installation (one working, one not) can I just try to copy-paste those files? I will try so ... |
| 20:59.08 | misreckoning | lol "paste" ... I mean cp XD |
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| 20:59.34 | klync | misreckoning: before you overwrite them, do `file /etc/localtime` ... does it say "timezone data"? |
| 20:59.49 | klync | ... gotta go... good luck! |
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| 21:00.52 | fdfdfe | hello |
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| 21:05.38 | rahul | BLEH |
| 21:05.43 | rahul | NO LUCK> RESTARTING X |
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| 21:06.19 | chops | rahul: Turn on caps lock? :-) |
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| 21:07.02 | DDubya | Can I blacklist a certain IP address in Exim? |
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| 21:08.14 | rokfit | i did the wiki howto of compiz and i login to a mouse with a auto-start session of "compiz --replace", what can I do? |
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| 21:09.48 | rokfit | PLEASE HELP ME! |
| 21:09.50 | misreckoning | w-o-r-k-s ! |
| 21:10.06 | rokfit | how can I end an auto-start i created if the session is unaccessable |
| 21:10.09 | misreckoning | thank you everybody who helped me |
| 21:10.13 | solemnwarning | If I make a read-only LVM snapshot of an ext3 filesystem in etch will the filesystem be synced/made sane before the snapshot is made? |
| 21:10.20 | rahul | aaaah |
| 21:10.25 | rokfit | misreckoning: help me now |
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| 21:10.35 | misreckoning | rokfit: with what, I've just entered the channel |
| 21:10.40 | vin` | rokfit: delete whatever you did to make it autostart |
| 21:10.43 | solemnwarning | http://www.mail-archive.com/haifux%40haifux.org/msg02499.html <-- This mentions LVM syncing ext3 filesystems, but I dunno if it's for a newer kernel then 2.6.18-4 |
| 21:10.53 | rokfit | i have no menu or kicker |
| 21:10.55 | rokfit | vin`: |
| 21:11.08 | rokfit | it's blank |
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| 21:11.19 | misreckoning | rokfit: what is kicker? are you talking about KDE? |
| 21:11.20 | vin` | rokfit: what is blank? |
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| 21:11.37 | rokfit | just my background and the cursor |
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| 21:12.10 | en1gma | where is java located when installed through synaptic |
| 21:12.11 | misreckoning | rokfit: usually when I screw up something with my Window Manager - I try to fix it by examining ~/. files |
| 21:12.31 | Meliorator | hi all, what is the difference between a udeb and deb debootstrap!? :S |
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| 21:12.40 | rokfit | but i'm trying to fix it/get it working, and i've created a startup to something that faults out every time |
| 21:12.47 | rokfit | vin`: ? |
| 21:12.59 | misreckoning | rokfit: how did you create that startup? |
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| 21:13.14 | rokfit | system sessions |
| 21:13.20 | vin` | rokfit: delete whatever you did to make it autostart |
| 21:13.35 | rokfit | vin`: how can I, i used a gui to edit it and i have no gui when i lging |
| 21:13.36 | rokfit | login |
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| 21:13.46 | rokfit | is there a location for the autostarts? |
| 21:13.53 | misreckoning | rokfit: as I said, everything is in ~/.something |
| 21:14.15 | vin` | rokfit: edit whatever file from console, use nano or vim or whatever |
| 21:14.16 | chops | rokfit: Ctrl-Alt-F1, login on the console |
| 21:14.30 | rokfit | but what am I editing |
| 21:14.36 | hackmiker | hi what does 'Make sure your /etc/apt/sources.list contains "contrib non-free" as well as main' mean? |
| 21:14.42 | chops | rokfit: 'ls -l --sort=time -r -a' and look for the last few files (which will be the most recent) |
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| 21:14.46 | vin` | rokfit: how would we know? you are the one who added the autostart magic |
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| 21:14.52 | misreckoning | rokfit: just tell me, you did that from GNOME or KDE ? |
| 21:16.16 | misreckoning | if you used GNOME (as I did) |
| 21:16.16 | vin` | he's using KDE |
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| 21:16.17 | rokfit | misreckoning: gnome |
| 21:16.17 | misreckoning | try to edit or delete the following file (please, first try to EDIT it): ~/.gnome2/session |
| 21:16.17 | rokfit | no gnome |
| 21:16.18 | rokfit | i'm back on gnome |
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| 21:16.18 | vin` | eh? kicker in gnome? isn't it called the panel? |
| 21:16.21 | rokfit | yeah |
| 21:16.24 | lontra | vin`: yes kicker is only in kde |
| 21:16.30 | misreckoning | rokfit: first make a backup |
| 21:16.37 | rokfit | of what file |
| 21:16.44 | misreckoning | cp ~/.gnome2/session ~/.gnome2/session.bak |
| 21:16.51 | misreckoning | and then edit it |
| 21:17.03 | misreckoning | nano ~/.gnome2/session |
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| 21:17.17 | misreckoning | try to find in there what's wrong |
| 21:17.50 | misreckoning | and then save it ... if it works - great - if it doesn't - try a little harder ;) |
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| 21:19.35 | vin` | etch is Bittersweet? |
| 21:19.53 | Bittersweet | eh? |
| 21:20.01 | vin` | nm |
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| 21:20.42 | misreckoning | is there some tool in gnome/etch that can show me which process takes memory/CPU ? console tool would do the job too |
| 21:20.47 | bytekode | htop |
| 21:20.56 | lontra | misreckoning: top? |
| 21:21.04 | bytekode | htop is prettier :D |
| 21:21.14 | misreckoning | wow O_O fancy! |
| 21:21.15 | chops | misreckoning: lavaps is a perennial favorite :-) |
| 21:21.18 | vin` | sure is and more featureful |
| 21:21.20 | misreckoning | I have top only |
| 21:21.22 | rahul | now my monitor blanks randomly |
| 21:21.24 | rahul | wtf |
| 21:21.24 | seth1248 | How can I make it so that the up key does not start ksnapshot in kde? |
| 21:21.50 | vin` | rahul: banging on the shift key ruptured the tube? |
| 21:21.55 | rahul | heh |
| 21:22.00 | rahul | it's an lcd |
| 21:22.13 | rahul | and it comes back when I use the mouse... /me eyes dpms suspiciously |
| 21:22.13 | bytekode | lcds are a series of tubes! everyone knows that |
| 21:22.38 | misreckoning | ok now I have some error to fix - with keyring :/ anybody has any issues with it? |
| 21:22.39 | vin` | internet is a tube |
| 21:23.01 | rokfit | vin`: |
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| 21:23.12 | misreckoning | rokfit: it works? |
| 21:23.14 | hackmiker | when i run apt-get update i get these warnings: W: GPG error: http://www.debian-multimedia.org stable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 21:23.14 | Bittersweet | seth1248: Go into Control Centre -->Peripherals --> Regional & Accessibility --> Keyboard Shortcuts |
| 21:23.14 | hackmiker | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 21:23.16 | perlmonkey | hello |
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| 21:23.37 | hackmiker | should i worry? |
| 21:23.39 | chops | hackmiker: debian-multimedia uses different keys than the main Debian repos |
| 21:23.40 | perlmonkey | is ATI Radeon 7000 good gfx adaptor card for linux? |
| 21:23.50 | lontra | hackmiker: you need marillats key |
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| 21:23.57 | nzk | I just had a power surge and my server turned off (as did my tv and such - its not a short or anything) but when I turned it back on it wasn't broadcasting an ip |
| 21:23.59 | chops | hackmiker: No, you shouldn't worry :-) |
| 21:24.03 | nzk | and i couldnt connect to it |
| 21:24.04 | hackmiker | okay |
| 21:24.10 | perlmonkey | hi |
| 21:24.12 | hackmiker | can i make it so the warning doesn't show? |
| 21:24.18 | vin` | hackmiker: /msg dpkg marillat key |
| 21:24.18 | chops | hackmiker: But you can install the GPG keys for marillat if you want the warning to go away |
| 21:24.19 | misreckoning | perlmonkey: dunno :/ it is old ... try with some Live distro |
| 21:24.28 | lontra | !tell hackmiker about apt-key 1F41B907 |
| 21:24.30 | perlmonkey | hi misreckoning |
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| 21:24.40 | perlmonkey | I need to know before I buy it tho :-/ |
| 21:24.41 | misreckoning | perlmonkey: hi ;) |
| 21:25.07 | misreckoning | perlmonkey: well, afaik, nvidia cards work much better than ati |
| 21:25.15 | perlmonkey | oh |
| 21:25.16 | chops | nzk: You might have to hook up a monitor... |
| 21:25.18 | misreckoning | perlmonkey: but that is going to change soon I hope ... |
| 21:25.23 | bellecuisse | hello |
| 21:25.25 | perlmonkey | I should resist the temptations of ATI then |
| 21:25.25 | nzk | chops, argh, why? |
| 21:25.26 | vin` | perlmonkey: it'll probably become good if ATI follows up on the promise and frees their drivers |
| 21:25.26 | hackmiker | k no more warnings :) |
| 21:25.30 | chops | nzk: How long has it been? It might be fscking |
| 21:25.39 | nzk | a few minutes |
| 21:25.41 | chops | nzk: Well, how else can you see what's going on? :-) |
| 21:25.46 | nzk | ssh |
| 21:25.47 | hark | hackmiker: just install debian-multimedia-keyring |
| 21:25.49 | chops | nzk: It might well be fscking |
| 21:25.50 | nzk | Guessing |
| 21:25.51 | misreckoning | perlmonkey: and I also believe that that old cards are not supported with official drivers for 3d and other fancy things |
| 21:25.51 | nzk | etc. |
| 21:25.57 | chops | nzk: Well, right, but without an IP... |
| 21:26.05 | perlmonkey | that sux |
| 21:26.11 | misreckoning | perlmonkey: but if you want just basic 2D with open source drivers, I'm almost sure it will work :/ |
| 21:26.11 | nzk | chops, I'll try again in a few minutes |
| 21:26.12 | perlmonkey | ATI is best avoided then |
| 21:26.21 | hackmiker | hark, the warnings went away anyway |
| 21:26.37 | perlmonkey | do you guys have an experience converting VGA output to Scart? |
| 21:26.47 | misreckoning | perlmonkey: yes ;) |
| 21:26.48 | perlmonkey | is that something which can be done easily on a card which doesnt have TV out |
| 21:26.52 | perlmonkey | cool |
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| 21:27.29 | misreckoning | perlmonkey: no ;) I answered the previous comment. |
| 21:27.44 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 21:27.52 | misreckoning | perlmonkey: btw I have a S-Video-to-Scart convertor ... costs about 10$ |
| 21:28.00 | perlmonkey | cool |
| 21:28.26 | misreckoning | yeah, it is good for watching movies on old TVs |
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| 21:28.45 | perlmonkey | misreckoning is the picture quality ok on tv from PC? |
| 21:29.06 | en1gma | when a package gets installed what can i look at to where it installed every file too |
| 21:29.11 | en1gma | i think its in /var/log |
| 21:29.14 | dondelelcaro | en1gma: dpkg -L foopkg; |
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| 21:29.15 | vin` | en1gma: dpkg -L foo |
| 21:29.18 | en1gma | thnx |
| 21:29.41 | en1gma | when i get it from synaptic are those all dpkgs or debs |
| 21:30.01 | solar_sea | I've got a problem with debian gtk apps and scim, should I ask here or in #scim ? |
| 21:30.06 | vin` | en1gma: whatever package manager you use, it's still the same |
| 21:30.10 | en1gma | ok |
| 21:30.12 | en1gma | thnx |
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| 21:30.56 | nzk | chops, it still says Host Unreachable |
| 21:31.10 | chops | nzk: Sounds like monitor time |
| 21:31.20 | nzk | Agh |
| 21:31.22 | nzk | fine |
| 21:31.33 | misreckoning | perlmonkey: yep |
| 21:31.41 | misreckoning | gotta go |
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| 21:32.23 | nhuisman_work | . |
| 21:32.58 | Bittersweet | Has anyone had any issues with an XFX 7300LE? |
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| 21:33.18 | elias | how can I send a message to all X users on the local X-server? |
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| 21:33.48 | seth1248 | Bittersweet: actually it's: Go into Control Centre --> Regional & Accessibility --> Keyboard Shortcuts, but it's not enabled. |
| 21:33.48 | rokfit | compiz has caused a blank screen with a cursor, can anyone help? |
| 21:34.00 | nhuisman_work | besides wall? |
| 21:34.13 | Bittersweet | seth1248: sorry... my bad. |
| 21:34.18 | seth1248 | rokfit: Is it a black screen? |
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| 21:40.52 | yumanda | ?? |
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| 21:42.45 | Ronin | you have a question yumanda ? |
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| 21:43.32 | naitram | is there a way to download a complete set of files along with all the dependencys. I have a machine that I want to install ntp-server on that doesn't have internet access |
| 21:44.29 | petemc | naitram: wouldnt it be a better idea to run ntp-server on a machine with internet access? |
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| 21:45.40 | naitram | petemc: I have a stand alone network that has devices that I want to sync all the clocks to my debian machine. What would you suggest. New to debian. |
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| 21:46.10 | chops | naitram: Download a stable DVD and install everything from it, or briefly hook the thing to internet access |
| 21:46.40 | chops | naitram: You could try to figure out all the dependencies using apt-rdepends and grab all the appropriate .debs, but that might be failure-prone... |
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| 21:47.40 | naitram | chops: yeah, i thought it might be failure prone too, I also thought there was a way to get all the packages at once. I guess not? |
| 21:47.44 | _Rubyxx | vin: For your info I managed to solve the problem of double or triple installations by following the instructions at http://www.java.com/en/download/help/5000010500.xml#selfextracting |
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| 21:48.04 | chops | naitram: It's pretty easy with shell-script to find all the package names using apt-rdepends |
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| 21:48.38 | bellecuisse | someone to help me for my F... webcam |
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| 21:48.58 | Ronin | bellecuisse: not until you give us more information |
| 21:49.05 | bellecuisse | perfect |
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| 21:49.24 | bellecuisse | lsusb : Bus 001 Device 003: ID 046d:08ae Logitech, Inc. |
| 21:49.29 | Zeelot | helloo |
| 21:49.32 | irule | whats up with via-rhine in debian etch? I get a transmit timed out error |
| 21:49.45 | naitram | chops: once I have the debs, how do i use apt with them. Set the file locations in the sources list? |
| 21:49.55 | bellecuisse | dmesg: usb 1-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 3 |
| 21:49.55 | bellecuisse | usb 1-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice |
| 21:49.55 | bellecuisse | usb 1-2: ZC0301[P] Image Processor and Control Chip detected (vid/pid 0x046D/0x08AE) |
| 21:49.55 | bellecuisse | usb 1-2: PAS202BCB image sensor detected |
| 21:49.55 | bellecuisse | usb 1-2: Initialization succeeded |
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| 21:50.16 | chops | naitram: Or just say 'dpkg -i *.deb' |
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| 21:50.43 | bellecuisse | sorry |
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| 21:51.17 | rxKaffee | I just installed ash shell, and then chsh'd on my remote host's only active login on an etch box... the docs I were reading for sarge implied that ash would be added to /etc/shells for me, seems thats not the case in etch... any suggestions on recovering loginability? |
| 21:52.09 | rokfit | how can i edit the auto start things in session without a gui |
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| 21:52.29 | naitram | chops: ok, doesn't sound to bad. One more thing. ntp will do what I want, right. IE.. I have devices that can accept a ntp server location and get there time from it. I don't have to have the ntp server setup with internet access, do i? |
| 21:52.43 | pearl | rokfit: man update-rc.d? |
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| 21:53.45 | chops | naitram: Not that I know of |
| 21:54.11 | naitram | chops: thanks |
| 21:55.04 | chops | naitram: np |
| 21:55.15 | chops | rokfit: nano |
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| 21:56.47 | Ecnerifed | hi all :) i know i shouldnt ask this in this channel, but when i try join #suse it says address is banned, even though ive never joined before ;S |
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| 21:57.10 | Ecnerifed | does anyone here know how to setup openssh on opensuse? |
| 21:57.30 | rxKaffee | yum or something? |
| 21:57.55 | Ecnerifed | or, can anyone here join #suse i dunno why i cant |
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| 21:58.26 | ApEtc | Ecnerifed: That seems like a question for the Freenode staff. |
| 21:58.32 | befree | nop !!!! by installing etch !!! in place of opensuse ;-) |
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| 21:58.56 | Zeelot | could someone help me add a second monitor (lcd tv) to my xorg config? i added a second 'Screen' and 'Monitor' section, what else is missing? I was it to clone to the tv to watch videos |
| 21:59.02 | Ecnerifed | ok.. :*( |
| 21:59.40 | rxKaffee | Zeelot: got xinerame/twinview configured too? |
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| 22:00.12 | befree | suse use rpm as default package manager so a rpm -q -a | grep ssh should confirm package have been installed or not |
| 22:00.19 | Zeelot | rxKaffee no didn't touch anything else, cant seem to find good documentation |
| 22:00.42 | rxKaffee | Zeelot: if you have nvidia, the nvidia-settings program does a nice job at setting up dual-screen modes |
| 22:01.01 | Zeelot | rxKaffee alright thanks ill give that a try |
| 22:01.22 | rxKaffee | Zeelot: backup your xorg config file first! |
| 22:01.32 | rxKaffee | Zeelot: nvidia botched it up pretty good the first time I tried it, heh |
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| 22:01.41 | rxKaffee | somehow it got smarter later... *shrugs* |
| 22:02.05 | Zeelot | yep I have backups |
| 22:02.12 | befree | now suse should use a high level package manager like yum (i dont know ...) and with yum you could find your solution |
| 22:02.12 | ianm_ | how can I verify the signature of the cert that postfix is using? |
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| 22:02.40 | Bklyn | Anyone having any problems w/latest unstable samba? |
| 22:02.46 | Bklyn | I can't get connected to my shares |
| 22:02.48 | befree | google is your friend with keyword yum ssh |
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| 22:03.08 | befree | does any guys here run etch on pmac ? |
| 22:03.41 | befree | pmac = bi g5 2GHz |
| 22:05.21 | befree | where are debian-installer's coder/maintener ? in this channel ? or elsewhere ? |
| 22:05.35 | Zeelot | rxKaffee: nvidia-settings seems to only find one device |
| 22:06.09 | befree | i 'm trying to finish an etch installation with the help of the second vt screen by hands and .... it's hot .... |
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| 22:07.09 | rxKaffee | Zeelot: in "X Server Display Configuration", did you try the detect displays button? |
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| 22:08.01 | Zeelot | the one when I run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ? |
| 22:08.16 | befree | i would like to know if the new debian-installer support scsi disk detection : for what i see on my pmac ... i suppose the answer is no |
| 22:08.41 | bruno-cassol | hello all. i'm having a little problem with nautilus on debian etch 4... the problem began after i put about 30 small jpg files on /mnt/camila/photos... now when i open /mnt/camila on anutilus it freezes nautilus and keeps cpu usage on 100%... please help me!! |
| 22:08.59 | bruno-cassol | nautilus* |
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| 22:10.21 | chops | !tell bruno-cassol about bts |
| 22:12.12 | rxKaffee | Zeelot: no, it is the second category tab from the top in nvidia-settings |
| 22:13.11 | Zeelot | I dont have it o.O |
| 22:13.33 | Zeelot | I dont have a "X Server Display Configuration" |
| 22:14.05 | befree | bruno-cassol: do you configure nautilus (in preferences) to "build" an apercu ? |
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| 22:18.03 | confrey | hi everybody |
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| 22:18.21 | Zeelot | rxKaffee any idea why that whole section is missing from my nvidia-settings? |
| 22:18.48 | rxKaffee | hmm... not sure, what sections you have? maybe take a screenshot or such |
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| 22:19.23 | rxKaffee | looks like my nvidia-settings is version 1.0.20070302 |
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| 22:19.45 | Zeelot | ill check mine and make a screenshot 1 min rebooting the machine |
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| 22:22.06 | nzk | Oh my god |
| 22:22.16 | nzk | There was a debian cd in there |
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| 22:22.25 | nzk | that means i havent rebooted the computer since i installed that |
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| 22:22.33 | nzk | Show do I make SSH work upon boot |
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| 22:24.29 | Zeelot | rxKaffee : http://raok.fiu.edu/~imagebase/index.php?d=052007&view=485988778Screenshot.png |
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| 22:27.07 | m4 | echo exit >> ~/.bashrc |
| 22:27.54 | rxKaffee | Zeelot: I think maybe you need to upgrade to the beta drivers? I've been using the 1.0.9xxx instead of 1.0.8xxx |
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| 22:29.39 | Zeelot | is there a fast way of doing that? |
| 22:29.42 | Zeelot | hmm |
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| 22:29.55 | rxKaffee | Zeelot: dunno, my nvidia goes into a gentoo box |
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| 22:31.21 | muhoo | !kill nvidia |
| 22:31.36 | nhuisman_work | i really wish they would just release their binary code |
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| 22:32.13 | AndyCR | hi |
| 22:32.13 | nhuisman_work | hi |
| 22:32.13 | AndyCR | just installed debian |
| 22:32.14 | AndyCR | its amazing |
| 22:32.14 | AndyCR | thanks for all the hard work |
| 22:32.14 | AndyCR | but i do have a question |
| 22:32.14 | AndyCR | im trying to install the ipw3945 modules package |
| 22:32.15 | AndyCR | and I can't seem to find one for my arch |
| 22:32.18 | AndyCR | i686 |
| 22:32.21 | AndyCR | only i486 |
| 22:32.29 | AndyCR | and it seems to only want to work the the 486 kernel |
| 22:32.35 | AndyCR | any ideas? |
| 22:32.36 | AndyCR | thanks |
| 22:33.01 | dondelelcaro | !+info ipw3945-modules-2.6.18-4-686 etch |
| 22:33.02 | dpkg | ipw3945-modules-2.6.18-4-686: (Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG (ipw3945) driver modules for Linux 2.6.18 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4), section contrib/admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.18+1.1.2-4+etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 319 kB, Installed size: 940 kB |
| 22:33.07 | dondelelcaro | AndyCR: ^^^ |
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| 22:33.49 | AndyCR | perfect thanks! |
| 22:35.02 | AndyCR | hmm |
| 22:35.02 | AndyCR | E: Couldn't find package ipw3945-modules-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 22:35.07 | dondelelcaro | you don't have contrib in your sources.list |
| 22:35.07 | AndyCR | seems i don't have enough repositories |
| 22:35.09 | AndyCR | any list of repos i should have that you know of? |
| 22:35.10 | dondelelcaro | AndyCR: you just need to list contrib non-free after main in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 22:35.26 | AndyCR | ah thanks |
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| 22:36.31 | AndyCR | hmm |
| 22:36.42 | AndyCR | the only line i have in there that looks remotely like what i want is |
| 22:36.43 | AndyCR | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
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| 22:37.19 | AndyCR | and after an apt-get update it still doesn't work. should it just be main.debian.org? im thinking it didnt add the right repos because i did a networkless install |
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| 22:39.49 | AndyCR | i got it |
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| 22:39.55 | AndyCR | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:40.15 | AndyCR | hmm |
| 22:40.16 | AndyCR | or not |
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| 22:42.23 | AndyCR | also during setup it complained that uswsp could not find a valid swap partition |
| 22:42.29 | AndyCR | i have one, but it says it is not active |
| 22:42.33 | AndyCR | how would I fix that? |
| 22:42.57 | XGirlFriend | why is it that when i install etch stable, there is a kernel update that holds the same kernel as installed |
| 22:43.08 | abrotman | XGirlFriend: security update |
| 22:43.34 | abrotman | XGirlFriend: go to security.debian.org and get your notifications in one of many types |
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| 22:44.06 | XGirlFriend | ok,thanx |
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| 22:52.30 | piztek3 | i seriously screwed up my xsession, an anyone help me |
| 22:52.33 | piztek3 | gnome won't start |
| 22:53.03 | stew | piztek3: check ~/.xsession-errors |
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| 22:53.44 | piztek3 | where is ~ |
| 22:53.46 | piztek3 | home? |
| 22:54.16 | stew | piztek3: yes, its your home directory, try "echo ~" or "echo $HOME" |
| 22:55.15 | piztek3 | stew: here it is |
| 22:55.16 | piztek3 | http://pastebin.ca/491954 |
| 22:55.23 | piztek3 | thats it after logging into kde |
| 22:55.29 | piztek3 | i still want gnome back |
| 22:55.58 | stew | oh, so the problem is that its working, its just that it is starting kde not gnome? |
| 22:56.14 | abrotman | move the .gnome* files out of the way ? |
| 22:56.15 | piztek3 | well the problem is that when i log into gnome, nothing happens |
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| 22:56.21 | piztek3 | i get a cursor |
| 22:56.30 | abrotman | what were you trying to do when you messed it up ? |
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| 22:56.51 | piztek3 | i had created an auto start command for compiz --replace in sessions |
| 22:57.06 | stew | piztek3: you are selecting gnome from some menu in your DM? or did you edit .xsession ? |
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| 22:57.20 | piztek3 | i'm selecting gnome |
| 22:57.35 | stew | piztek3: but it is starting kde instead? |
| 22:57.59 | piztek3 | no, its just not doing anything |
| 22:58.05 | piztek3 | kde starts if i select it |
| 22:58.08 | piztek3 | but gnome does not start |
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| 22:58.45 | piztek3 | its just blank |
| 22:58.46 | stew | piztek3: well the .xsession-errors from when you select kde is not going to help us debian your gnome problem |
| 22:59.22 | piztek3 | well where could i remove that autostart compiz that i created |
| 22:59.30 | stew | piztek3: where did you create it? |
| 22:59.44 | piztek3 | system administration, session |
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| 23:01.44 | irule | what is the alternative to security.debian.org? I get a 404 error atm |
| 23:01.45 | ustunozgur | is the default irssi setup on debian is weird, or is it just me? all the messages flow into the server window, not the room windows; and all the nicks are replaced by PRIVMSG. |
| 23:02.01 | stew | piztek3: no idea then. perhaps you can run gnomecc or gnome-control-center or whatever it is called these days |
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| 23:02.21 | stew | irule: there is no official alternate. ftp.de.debian.org has an unofficial mirror |
| 23:02.46 | piztek3 | that works |
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| 23:03.59 | piztek3 | stew: sessions won't open though |
| 23:04.00 | piztek3 | lol |
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| 23:04.24 | piztek3 | gah i hate the gnome mouse movement |
| 23:04.52 | stew | abrotman: is the weather clear up there? |
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| 23:05.31 | abrotman | stew: up? .. it's not raining .. but it's not clear |
| 23:06.01 | piztek3 | slight rain here |
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| 23:06.25 | nzk | How do I run ssh? |
| 23:06.33 | nzk | better yet, add it to startup procedures |
| 23:06.36 | thd | where does iceweasel store user files? |
| 23:06.36 | stew | nzk: type "ssh user@remotehost" |
| 23:06.41 | nzk | ... |
| 23:06.42 | abrotman | piztek3: you're in the wrong area of the country .. but could you bring me some brats? :) |
| 23:06.45 | nzk | i mean on the remote machine |
| 23:06.47 | stew | nzk: aptitude install openssh-server |
| 23:06.49 | abrotman | stew: GAH .. cancelled!!!!! |
| 23:06.54 | piztek3 | haha |
| 23:06.54 | nzk | i have all of that |
| 23:07.00 | nzk | i rebooted after 40 days of uptime |
| 23:07.06 | stew | nzk: update-rc.d ssh defaults |
| 23:07.09 | piztek3 | a nice grilled brat sounds good about now |
| 23:07.17 | nzk | stew, ok and how do i run it |
| 23:07.29 | stew | nzk: /etc/init.d/ssh start |
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| 23:07.40 | nzk | ok thanks |
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| 23:07.56 | netman | hi all |
| 23:08.21 | SirFunk | where does apt store the md5 sums it thinks files should have? |
| 23:08.29 | SirFunk | actually, scratch that |
| 23:08.32 | Eclipser | hmm |
| 23:08.44 | SirFunk | is there any way to make apt use wget to download ? is that what it uses already? |
| 23:08.45 | netman | I have lost my /var/lib/dpkg/available file, and apt-cache dumpavail shows me an empty output, any suggestions? |
| 23:08.53 | Eclipser | this box doesn't seem to have lspci, any idea which package would contain it? |
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| 23:09.01 | abrotman | SirFunk: what's wrong with the way it does it ? |
| 23:09.07 | abrotman | Eclipser: pciutils |
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| 23:09.20 | SirFunk | abrotman: for some reason, it tends to die 1/2 way through files and not restart them or anything |
| 23:09.32 | SirFunk | abrotman: then it complains about md5 mismatches |
| 23:09.33 | abrotman | is there a proxy ? |
| 23:09.36 | Eclipser | abrotman, thanks |
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| 23:09.41 | SirFunk | abrotman: nope |
| 23:09.50 | SirFunk | abrotman: if i wget the same file it works fine |
| 23:09.54 | abrotman | SirFunk: tried another mirror ? |
| 23:09.57 | Zeelot | can someone help me install the nvidia-glx package from unstable? I get libc6 => 5.x needed error but when I try to install that it tells me latest version is already installed |
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| 23:10.10 | SirFunk | abrotman: yup |
| 23:10.22 | abrotman | SirFunk: tried another substantial download ? |
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| 23:10.24 | ustunozgur | aren't there any irssi users here? |
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| 23:10.39 | kevinl-- | helloo |
| 23:10.44 | SirFunk | abrotman: not really, but if i wget any of the .debs from the same mirror it works 100% fine |
| 23:10.44 | kevinl-- | is something in etch NFS related busted |
| 23:11.04 | shenron | hey, does anyone here know anythin about settin a debian computer on wireless internet? |
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| 23:11.09 | shenron | I've been havin a lot of trouble |
| 23:11.10 | shenron | heh |
| 23:11.15 | kevinl-- | ive had a few of my NFS clients reporting RPC timeouts , but i think its a server-side issue. |
| 23:11.23 | abrotman | SirFunk: tried aptitude vs apt-get ? |
| 23:11.24 | stew | shenron: many people know. ask a specific question |
| 23:11.30 | shenron | ok |
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| 23:11.40 | shenron | I want to get my debian computer on wireless |
| 23:11.44 | shenron | that's pretty much it stew |
| 23:11.49 | shenron | I have a wireless router |
| 23:11.58 | shenron | and it has a wireless driver of some sort |
| 23:12.03 | stew | shenron: install wireless-tools, man 7 wireless ; man 5 interfaces |
| 23:12.11 | stew | shenron: the router has a driver? for what? |
| 23:12.16 | kevinl-- | :-) |
| 23:12.17 | shenron | er |
| 23:12.18 | shenron | the computer |
| 23:12.23 | shenron | has a wireless driver of some sort |
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| 23:12.42 | shenron | not the router |
| 23:12.42 | stew | SirFunk: the reason one works and the other doesn't is that they name maps to multiple IPs and only one of the ip's is failing (the one that apt-get is using) |
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| 23:13.15 | Zeelot | anyone? |
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| 23:13.50 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 23:13.50 | dpkg | methinks nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
| 23:14.02 | stew | SirFunk: you can run "host hostname" to see the ips, then you can either temporarily set that name to the working ip in /etc/hosts |
| 23:15.54 | duity | I've got a failed hard disk with some stuff I'm trying to get off of it. It had 3 partitions. The first one mounts fine, but I can't mount the other 2. Get the typical bad superblock message. |
| 23:16.12 | SirFunk | hmm, hold on, i'll check in a minute, got 1000 things going on at once |
| 23:16.15 | duity | I'm reading up a bit on recovery and turned off dma, now copying the drive over to anothe drive using dd to see what I can get to. |
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| 23:17.06 | ustunozgur | yes, I purged the package, but still the problem persists. It is obviously not the default behavior of irssi to direct all messages to server window, right? and to hide nicknames? |
| 23:17.11 | stew | duity: rescuedd is better than dd in those situations |
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| 23:17.36 | Zeelot | abrotman that didn't work |
| 23:17.41 | stew | ustunozgur: it doesn't matter if you purge the pacakge. purging the package isn't going to touch .irssi in your home directory |
| 23:17.57 | abrotman | !tell Zeelot about bts |
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| 23:18.34 | talisker | can you recommend a coasterless frontend for growisofs/any other DVD writing utility? |
| 23:18.35 | duity | stew, thanks |
| 23:19.01 | ustunozgur | ok, will try that. thanks. (though I don't know your nickname :D ) |
| 23:19.46 | Zeelot | is there no way to tell apt-get which version of libc6 to install? |
| 23:20.38 | abrotman | !info libc6 sid |
| 23:20.42 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.5-7 (sid), Packaged size: 4445 kB, Installed size: 10640 kB |
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| 23:21.40 | spacefrog | I bought a Parallel Port IO PCI Card.. How do I install it on Linux (debian).. Will it work automatically? |
| 23:21.44 | CaT[tm] | zeelot: ? |
| 23:24.24 | irule | I chose these and I still dont see kernel headers available in dselect, what else do I need? thanks deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free \ deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free \ deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib \ deb-src http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib |
| 23:24.26 | CaT[tm] | irule: you don't get linux-kernel-headers? |
| 23:24.36 | Eclipser | I wonder if this 3c59x module has trouble figuring out that I actually have two cards that it should handle.. |
| 23:24.41 | Zeelot | CaT[tm] : http://pastebin.ca/491996 |
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| 23:25.32 | Zeelot | CaT[tm] I am trying to install the nvidia drivers from unstable |
| 23:25.35 | CaT[tm] | zeelot: you're trying to pollute ytour etch install with binary packages for another distro. |
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| 23:25.46 | Supaplex | !tell irule -about sources.list |
| 23:25.46 | Supaplex | irule: apt-get update will refresh the list. |
| 23:25.47 | Zeelot | is that not possible at all? |
| 23:26.00 | ustunozgur | argh... |
| 23:26.09 | CaT[tm] | zeelot: I would recommend you recompile them from etch. |
| 23:26.13 | CaT[tm] | zeelot: I would recommend you recompile them for etch |
| 23:26.55 | CaT[tm] | zeelot: or check www.backports.org |
| 23:27.18 | Zeelot | alright thanks |
| 23:27.24 | Supaplex | I know, let's service the vwbug at the crystler dealership |
| 23:27.38 | ezu5t | hi - I've been hacking a kernel for a while. It used to be that whenever I did a "sudo make-kpkg kernel_image --initrd binary" it would build the .deb files quite happily. Today, it started to give me this error: "dpkg-deb - error: Debian revision 'presinet' doesn't contain any digits. But my debian-revision (according to conf.vars) is 2.6.16.29-l7-h323-presinet. How do I fix this? |
| 23:28.17 | rdz | hello. i'd like to pipe the output (videostream/binary data) from one command to another using a named pipe. obviously i am doing something wrong. the 'sending' command cannot send anything (it just waits), and the receiving command does not receive anyhting. it just waits as well. do i need a special kind of a fifo? |
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| 23:29.06 | Saizan | how can i specify the permissions for a mount point in fstab? |
| 23:29.07 | Supaplex | rdz: does it need to be a named pipe? what not just a stdout/stdin pipe? |
| 23:29.33 | abrotman | Saizan: man mount |
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| 23:29.52 | Supaplex | Saizan: that's either determined by the permissions after its mounted, or read the man page for other options (for various filesystems) |
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| 23:30.18 | rdz | Supaplex, that is what video encoding gurus told me to do. a stdout/stdin does not work properly here, because the output of mplayer is polluted with othere messages, that destroy the videostream |
| 23:31.05 | mick_home | rdz: what about -filedump ? |
| 23:31.12 | Supaplex | rdz: ahh. good reason. |
| 23:31.25 | rdz | mick_home, what do you mean by filedump? |
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| 23:32.03 | mick_home | there is my dislexia |
| 23:32.06 | rdz | mick_home, it is for a live video stream, i don't want to write to real file, i just want to pass the stream to the other command |
| 23:32.07 | mick_home | -dumpfile |
| 23:32.13 | mick_home | ah ok, nm |
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| 23:32.50 | justin | rdz: real examples would help |
| 23:33.09 | rdz | mick_home, anyway, what i am doing is basically -filedump (in that case: -vo yuv4mpeg) |
| 23:33.27 | rdz | justin, mplayer tv:// -tv driver=v4l:device=/dev/video1:width=320:height=240:fps\=25:immediatemode\=0:adevice\=hw.3:amode\=0:alsa:audiorate\=44100:forceaudio -ao pcm:file=yoyo.wav -vo yuv4mpeg:file=yoyo.yuv |
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| 23:33.39 | rdz | that is the sending command |
| 23:33.45 | rdz | the receiving command is: |
| 23:34.08 | rdz | theora_encoder_example webcam.wav webcam.yuv | oggfwd netpd.org 8010 password /video.ogg |
| 23:34.24 | justin | ah |
| 23:34.29 | ustunozgur_ | irssi has two configuration files, right: config and default.theme I have changed both, to no avail. |
| 23:34.41 | justin | rdz: and what fifos did you create? |
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| 23:35.04 | rdz | justin, mkfifo yoyo.wav and mkfifo yoyo.yuv |
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| 23:35.17 | justin | rdz: yet you aren't reading from yoyo.wav eh? |
| 23:35.19 | rdz | justin, sorry, i pasted the wrong examples |
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| 23:35.34 | rdz | yeah, i pasted to wrong commandline |
| 23:35.45 | rdz | it should read: |
| 23:36.05 | rdz | theora_encoder_example yoyo.wav yoyo.yuv | oggfwd netpd.org 8010 password /video.ogg |
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| 23:36.30 | justin | sure is a weird way of doing things |
| 23:36.42 | justin | can't you just use flumotion, or gstreamer? |
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| 23:36.58 | rdz | justin, no i can't |
| 23:37.10 | Decepticon | what can i use to test hard drive speed? |
| 23:37.15 | abrotman | bonnie |
| 23:37.34 | Decepticon | is it commandline? |
| 23:37.42 | justin | depends if you want to test the filesystem or the drive |
| 23:37.48 | rdz | justin, actually i am very happy that mplayer is now outputting something, that can be encoded somehow to theora... so i don't want to change my whole setup ust because of that |
| 23:37.48 | atula | hello. sorry for the noobness here. but could someone give me a direction to go about how to "pusha file(s) from linux box onto a windows box?" |
| 23:37.53 | rxKaffee | hdparm -tT |
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| 23:37.58 | Decepticon | well ive mounted sshfs filesystem, i want to test hwo fast the speed is |
| 23:38.02 | bruno-cassol | !java |
| 23:38.02 | dpkg | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in etch/sid in non-free. Ask me about <install java>. ask me about <non-free> |
| 23:38.09 | nhuisman_work | atula, smbmount |
| 23:38.18 | justin | Decepticon: slow. |
| 23:38.18 | rxKaffee | I think hdparm likes unmounted devices though |
| 23:38.19 | mick_home | atula: google ssh windows |
| 23:38.20 | Decepticon | the max speed of my remote filesystem, how fast the data goes across the internet to reach my compoutjer |
| 23:38.32 | atula | mick_home, I don't want to use winscp |
| 23:38.33 | abrotman | !tell bruno-cassol about msg the bot |
| 23:38.36 | bruno-cassol | !install java |
| 23:38.36 | dpkg | it has been said that install java is First, read <java licensing>. Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". if you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main), the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about <java-package> or install the sun-java5-jdk package from non-free if you're using etch/sid. |
| 23:38.40 | Decepticon | justin why do you say that, its connected across LAN |
| 23:38.50 | bruno-cassol | sorry |
| 23:38.59 | abrotman | bruno-cassol: or try #debian-bots |
| 23:39.03 | nhuisman_work | atula, share a folder on your windows box and mount it on your linux box |
| 23:39.05 | atula | mick_home, I want to silently push a file onto a window box |
| 23:39.08 | justin | Decepticon: then of course it must be fast :-P |
| 23:39.10 | mick_home | atula: you said push, not pull - WinSCP is a client |
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| 23:39.28 | atula | mick_home, right. |
| 23:40.20 | mick_home | i should know, i did the de_DE translation :-P |
| 23:40.21 | justin | Decepticon: unless of course your network hardware is crappy and you have slow cpus |
| 23:40.21 | Decepticon | justin how fast do you think? is it limited by cpu processing or whats the limiting factor |
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| 23:40.21 | rosaschwarzenbac | !apt-keys |
| 23:40.22 | mick_home | there is an open ssh server |
| 23:40.22 | rosaschwarzenbac | !apt-key |
| 23:40.22 | Decepticon | i have both 100mbps ethernets on both computers... one is a 1.3ghz celeron m, and the other is a pentium 2/3 i forget |
| 23:40.25 | abrotman | rosaschwarzenbac: msg the bot |
| 23:40.42 | bruno-cassol | does debian etch has wiki like ubuntu? |
| 23:40.57 | abrotman | wiki.debian.org ? |
| 23:41.15 | abrotman | bruno-cassol: what are you looking for ? |
| 23:41.32 | rosaschwarzenbac | !ping |
| 23:41.32 | dpkg | pong |
| 23:41.48 | abrotman | rosaschwarzenbac: /msg dpkg foo |
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| 23:42.15 | rosaschwarzenbac | thankje |
| 23:42.38 | uzer | why was webmin dropped from the repositories? is there something like it in lenny? |
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| 23:42.48 | rdz | anyone knows how to pipe binary data from one command to another using named pipe? |
| 23:43.02 | abrotman | uzer: because webmin sucks ? |
| 23:43.07 | xlotlu | what's the proper place to set globally available env vars? |
| 23:43.14 | h3sp4wn | xlotlu: /etc/environment |
| 23:43.15 | abrotman | /etc/profile |
| 23:43.42 | uzer | abrotman: when your far away and the only port open is 80, its all i could use, any other web based admin tools? |
| 23:44.22 | abrotman | not that i know of .. i wouldn't touch one for any amount of money |
| 23:44.25 | nhuisman_work | uzer, try moving your ssh to port 80.... |
| 23:44.45 | uzer | nhuisman_work: cant do that when apache is on 80 |
| 23:45.04 | nhuisman_work | um, so why is ssh blocked? |
| 23:45.13 | nhuisman_work | you don't control the firewall? |
| 23:45.27 | uzer | nhuisman_work: not from where i would be remotely managing from |
| 23:45.46 | nhuisman_work | so you are saying they would be blocking outgoing port 22? |
| 23:45.56 | uzer | they block everythign but 80 outgoing |
| 23:46.04 | jduggan_ | uzer: even 443? |
| 23:46.08 | jduggan_ | https ? |
| 23:46.11 | nhuisman_work | what is this high security military? |
| 23:46.14 | uzer | jduggan_: yes |
| 23:46.41 | rosaschwarzenbac | i just installed etch stable and die apt-get update an get this message--> http://paste.debian.net/28153 |
| 23:46.48 | CaT[tm] | I wouldn't call that high security. I bet they allow IE to be used to browse the web :) |
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| 23:47.12 | rosaschwarzenbac | how can fix it? |
| 23:47.16 | nhuisman_work | uzer: personally i'd just use a java ssh client |
| 23:47.34 | CaT[tm] | java runs local. |
| 23:47.35 | uzer | nhuisman_work: they still connect using the ssh port |
| 23:47.53 | abrotman | rosaschwarzenbac: apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-get update |
| 23:47.56 | nhuisman_work | I was thinking of one that ran on the remote box |
| 23:48.14 | tnks | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:48.26 | rosaschwarzenbac | nice thanx again! ;D |
| 23:48.41 | abrotman | uzer: eh .. this is going to sound *horrible* .. but what about some sort of cgi ssh script thingie ? |
| 23:49.03 | nhuisman_work | uzer: you sure they don't allow 443? |
| 23:49.04 | uzer | abrotman: yeah, thats my last option |
| 23:49.04 | tnks | Is this admonition really strong? Because it seems that having exportable globals might be okay, because Python's namespacing is sane. |
| 23:49.07 | abrotman | tnks: wrong channel ? |
| 23:49.12 | uzer | nhuisman_work: im positive they dont allow 443 |
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| 23:49.14 | jduggan_ | heh, one can only cringle at the security implications of a cgi ssh client |
| 23:49.15 | tnks | abrotman: sorry. |
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| 23:49.20 | abrotman | tnks: i was just asking :) |
| 23:49.20 | jduggan_ | cringe* |
| 23:49.24 | nhuisman_work | abrotman: yeah that's what I was thinking in terms of the java applet |
| 23:49.36 | Eclipser | gah |
| 23:49.40 | abrotman | it can't be a client side client |
| 23:49.47 | tnks | abrotman: I hit <esc>-# and didn't realize it. |
| 23:49.56 | abrotman | it would have to be some sort of horrible interactive page that takes commands and feeds you the results |
| 23:50.01 | nhuisman_work | yeah |
| 23:50.18 | CaT[tm] | which means you might aswell just use telnet :) |
| 23:50.23 | xlotlu | hmm, i see /etc/environment isn't sourced explicitly by /etc/profile .. does debian's bash "auto-source" it, or i should do it myself? |
| 23:50.24 | Eclipser | why does dhclient say it can't find eth1 (no such device) :< |
| 23:50.40 | CaT[tm] | because there's no such device and so it can't find it? |
| 23:50.58 | rosaschwarzenbac | abrotman : it already the newest version, ? apt-get remove --purge and then reinstall ? |
| 23:51.06 | Eclipser | dmesg mentions both my network cards (it says nothing about which is eth0 and which is eth1 though) |
| 23:51.43 | Eclipser | the eth0 card works fine but the latter doesn't apparently |
| 23:51.49 | CaT[tm] | /proc/interrupts lists both? |
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| 23:52.17 | Eclipser | CaT[tm], only eth0 |
| 23:52.26 | CaT[tm] | then you have problems with eth1 |
| 23:52.36 | Eclipser | CaT[tm], no shit :> |
| 23:52.53 | CaT[tm] | find out why your system is not seeing eth1 |
| 23:53.13 | nhuisman_work | uzer: what is the web server running, a webpage? |
| 23:53.17 | rdz | anyone knows how that pass binary data betweeen two commands using a named pipe? |
| 23:53.37 | rdz | s/that/to |
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| 23:55.18 | abrotman | rosaschwarzenbac: what's the error again ? |
| 23:55.40 | rosaschwarzenbac | http://paste.debian.net/28153 |
| 23:55.55 | thd | I find no dot file for iceweasel. Where is user info kept? |
| 23:56.03 | nhuisman_work | laugh, i just thought how silly uzers problem is |
| 23:56.10 | nhuisman_work | just open ssh on port 80 on a diff box |
| 23:56.12 | rosaschwarzenbac | i did apt-get update but i get that error |
| 23:56.14 | nhuisman_work | then chain into the first box |
| 23:56.28 | ustunozgur_ | thd: .mozilla |
| 23:56.31 | xlotlu | now this is *weird* /etc/profile getting sourced only when root? |
| 23:56.38 | *** join/#debian hq4ever (n=hq4ever@87.69.20.250.cable.012.net.il) |
| 23:56.52 | abrotman | rosaschwarzenbac: is gpgv installed ? |
| 23:56.54 | CaT[tm] | permissions? |
| 23:57.01 | rosaschwarzenbac | i tried it with apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-get update but still get the same, and says that keyrings is already the newest version |
| 23:57.08 | *** join/#debian HaHaWhatsUp (n=root@220-133-144-228.HINET-IP.hinet.net) |
| 23:57.10 | nhuisman_work | i assume that woule work eh abrotman |
| 23:57.19 | *** join/#debian hermogenes (n=user@200.140.155.165) |
| 23:57.21 | abrotman | !tell HaHaWhatsUp about root |
| 23:57.38 | abrotman | nhuisman_away: maybe |
| 23:57.38 | rosaschwarzenbac | yes |
| 23:57.49 | *** join/#debian karrotx (n=steve@ip68-227-199-227.dc.dc.cox.net) |
| 23:57.54 | Eclipser | hmpf |
| 23:57.55 | nhuisman_work | unless their firewall is smart and only allows http traffic |
| 23:58.05 | *** join/#debian psykidellic (n=psykidel@12-217-244-195.client.mchsi.com) |
| 23:58.07 | nhuisman_work | and actually inspects it at higher layers |
| 23:58.42 | Eclipser | I went to change the interrupt of the other network card to 10 instead of 11 which was assigned to both of my cards in bios but that had no effect... |
| 23:58.45 | rosaschwarzenbac | is also the newest version |
| 23:58.59 | Eclipser | if I swap the cards around then the other will work and the other won't |
| 23:59.00 | abrotman | rosaschwarzenbac: is there a /usr/bin/gpgv on your box? |
| 23:59.51 | rosaschwarzenbac | yup |
