| 00:00.30 | streuner | rxKaffee: its really weird that you don't have sysvinit installed |
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| 00:00.56 | streuner | rxKaffee: ls -l /sbin/runlevel or 'dpkg -l sysvinit' |
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| 00:01.16 | rxKaffee | streuner: I do, you missed the line where I declared that it couldn't be found because sudo wasn't assuming root's path |
| 00:01.28 | rxKaffee | streuner: its there when I call it via full path |
| 00:01.29 | streuner | ok |
| 00:01.33 | anabain | how can I set the console to utf8? |
| 00:01.47 | streuner | !keymap |
| 00:01.47 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx |
| 00:02.17 | rxKaffee | but odly enough, when calling sudo -i runlevel, it errors "/sbin/runlevel: cannot execute binary file" |
| 00:02.22 | abrotman | you don't even need sudo |
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| 00:03.10 | intelikey | anabain unicode_start maybe |
| 00:03.20 | no3sc | [nine]: I died :P |
| 00:03.26 | anabain | that's a command, intelikey ? |
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| 00:03.36 | intelikey | anabain yeah |
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| 00:03.45 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure locales .. make UTF8 your default |
| 00:03.49 | rxKaffee | abrotman: oh ok... |
| 00:03.58 | rxKaffee | sudo -i has the same error with other commands too though it seems |
| 00:03.58 | alaya_ | rxKaffee: you can put something like this in your ~/.bash_profile to enhance your path: PATH=~/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:"${PATH}" |
| 00:04.08 | rxKaffee | and it sounds like sudo -i would be usefull |
| 00:04.17 | anabain | and this applies system-wide, abrotman ? |
| 00:04.23 | abrotman | i believe so |
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| 00:04.29 | intelikey | rxKaffee just run sudo -i then run your command |
| 00:04.46 | abrotman | why? |
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| 00:04.54 | abrotman | as a regular user ... "/sbin/runlevel" |
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| 00:05.12 | anabain | then I think I have it in utf8, but strangely, an output from a perl script does render strange symbols, the ones with a ? inside them... |
| 00:05.13 | rxKaffee | abrotman: I mean for running other system admin commands -i would be usefull |
| 00:05.22 | rxKaffee | intelikey: oh, so its intended to create an interactive shell |
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| 00:06.02 | intelikey | rxKaffee yes |
| 00:06.04 | tanob | hello, anybody here that knows how to install and setup CVSup in Debian ? |
| 00:06.13 | rxKaffee | ok cool :) |
| 00:06.17 | tanob | i mean, i searched for a package, but there isnt |
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| 00:06.51 | bzed | tanob: what is cvsup supposed to do!? |
| 00:06.54 | abrotman | tanob: then you'd go get the source and compile it yourself |
| 00:06.59 | abrotman | bzed: it's a BSD thing |
| 00:07.02 | h3sp4wn | tanob: maybe try asking the k freebsd guys |
| 00:07.07 | tanob | bzed: a way to sync CVS repositories |
| 00:07.15 | tanob | better than just use rsync |
| 00:07.22 | abrotman | there is a cvssuck |
| 00:07.25 | bzed | isn;t the way to do that to import tham in a git and merge them there!? :D |
| 00:08.06 | tanob | CVSsuck - inefficient CVS repository grabber |
| 00:08.10 | tanob | hahaha, oh fuck :P |
| 00:08.20 | rxKaffee | arcs sync's repositorys |
| 00:08.27 | karsten | !be a abrotman barbie |
| 00:08.27 | dpkg | Aww, abrotman is HARD! Let's go shopping, karsten |
| 00:08.29 | rxKaffee | for cvs,svn,rsync,and git |
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| 00:08.51 | abrotman | tanob: oddly .. i found that with `apt-cache search cvsup` .. though it might not be exactly what you want |
| 00:08.52 | intelikey | rxKaffee seeing that you are, ah no offence intended; that green, let me caution you about using a root shell (like sudo -i) you have full power to totally hose the system and should be very careful what you do in that shell. |
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| 00:09.56 | Dunny_ | anyone have a bit of time to help a Debian noob out? |
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| 00:10.04 | karsten | !tell Dunny_ about ask |
| 00:10.05 | dondelelcaro | !tell Dunny_ -about ask |
| 00:10.12 | Nielsen | lol |
| 00:10.24 | Nielsen | Dunny_: don't ask to ask, just ask |
| 00:10.32 | h3sp4wn | tanob: http://www.mu.org/~mux/csup.html (I forgot someone ported cvsup to C) |
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| 00:10.58 | novaflare | hes got some errors |
| 00:11.04 | novaflare | on his first boot |
| 00:11.24 | h3sp4wn | tanob: To build cvsup on linux you need a really wierd m4 configuration (with quite a bit of stuff not in debian) |
| 00:12.02 | novaflare | yeh dun these guys are like me takes twice as logn to ask to ask then ask as it does to just ask :p |
| 00:12.14 | Dunny_ | I get a whole series of errors after the initial startup and such most of it failed ide:opcode for like a page and a half |
| 00:12.51 | intelikey | ok. i'm went. shalom aleichem and 'tre-bon chance ala pinguin' |
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| 00:13.01 | Dunny_ | then it successfully resets the hardrive and goes looking for the root file system |
| 00:13.15 | Dunny_ | no worries Nova, any help at this point would be appreciated. |
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| 00:15.43 | ctf4void | hi. I just read in the documentation about installing. The devices from which you can install debian are listed there. But it doesnt list "SATA". Is it possible to boot a debian-install-cd from a SATA-DVD-ROM and then install debian from that device? |
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| 00:16.47 | Dunny_ | says that Check root=bootarg cat /proc/cmdline or missing modules, devices:cat /proc/modules ls /dev |
| 00:16.55 | dondelelcaro | ctf4void: yes |
| 00:17.15 | ctf4void | dondelelcaro: thx for the info |
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| 00:18.57 | Amarande | ahh, good old m4 |
| 00:19.03 | Amarande | probably the most evil package ever created :) |
| 00:19.13 | Amarande | wait, it was created to support something even more evil |
| 00:19.24 | dondelelcaro | nothing wrong with m4 |
| 00:19.31 | Dunny_ | I am using the net version, maybe use the full version? |
| 00:19.40 | dondelelcaro | just don't inflict it on small children |
| 00:19.50 | Dunny_ | lol sounds painful |
| 00:19.57 | h3sp4wn | Amarande: modula 3 that is the thing you need to compile to get it working |
| 00:20.34 | Dunny_ | ok where would I find that or how would I begin to work with that |
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| 00:20.52 | dondelelcaro | Dunny_: that sounds like it either 1) got the root device wrong 2) didn't include the driver for your ide controller in the initrd 3) didn't include the driver for your filesystem in the initrd |
| 00:21.03 | dondelelcaro | Dunny_: which filesystem on what hardware on what device did you install the root filesystem? |
| 00:21.16 | Dunny_ | IDE 0 |
| 00:21.47 | Dunny_ | it is a Maxtor 120gig harddrive |
| 00:22.46 | dondelelcaro | Dunny_: ide, right? not sata? Is / on /dev/hda1 or? Did you use ext3 or another filesystem? |
| 00:22.56 | dondelelcaro | Dunny_: which installation media did you use? |
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| 00:23.17 | Dunny_ | I used ext3 and it is IDE though I COULD use sata since I have one available if I need it |
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| 00:23.29 | dondelelcaro | Dunny_: ok; is this the etch netinst? |
| 00:23.36 | Dunny_ | yes |
| 00:23.57 | tanob | apt-cache search cvsup is returning cvssuck... |
| 00:24.02 | dondelelcaro | Dunny_: ok; the fastest thing is to just retry the install and see if you get the same error |
| 00:24.11 | abrotman | tanob: and that won't work ? |
| 00:24.19 | Dunny_ | I have installed it 3 times today and got the same error |
| 00:24.24 | tanob | cvssuck isnt CVSup |
| 00:24.30 | tanob | they're different |
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| 00:24.34 | Dunny_ | it WILL go to the initrd prompt though |
| 00:30.30 | alaya_ | a isn't b |
| 00:30.30 | Dunny_ | and asks for an input there I tried login but it will not read any of the credentials I put in |
| 00:30.31 | abrotman | tanob: then you can use cvssuck to get the cvsup source and compile it :) |
| 00:30.32 | tanob | apt-cache just returns cvssuck because its description comments about CVSup |
| 00:30.33 | abrotman | tanob: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=332858 |
| 00:30.33 | SnrWup | hi |
| 00:30.33 | Dunny_ | ok rebooting system ( I shut it down before I pulled out my Desert Eagle and sent it to a grave somewhere :P ) |
| 00:30.36 | h3sp4wn | tanob: Why cannot you not use csup ? |
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| 00:30.40 | tanob | h3sp4wn i tried to access the csup homepage, but didnt have success |
| 00:30.40 | tanob | h3sp4wn i also searched for a package for csup, and didnt find |
| 00:30.41 | tanob | im just trying first the debian way :) |
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| 00:31.28 | Dunny_ | k I be back after reinstall |
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| 00:31.45 | tanob | abrotman ah great! that bug page give me a lot of information, thanks :) |
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| 00:32.07 | tanob | h3sp4wn i cant access: http://choralone.org/debian/c/csup/ |
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| 00:33.37 | itchi | Hi, i have some troubles with vmware-server. When doing /usr/bin/vmware-config.pl i get the follow message http://pastebin.ca/493825 If i say yes i get an error like 'expected' http://pastebin.ca/493826 How can i fix this? |
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| 00:34.15 | itchi | There is i way i thought to say which gcc to use |
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| 00:37.28 | tanob | itchi you can remove /usr/bin/gcc and create a new link to the gcc version that your kernel was compiled with |
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| 00:37.45 | smacnay | Hi, I can not seem to be able to run sane/xsane as user even though my scanner is set up as root:scanner permissions and I am a member of group "scanner". I can run scanimage as user, though. Anyone have this problem and know how to solve it? |
| 00:37.55 | foo | How can I change my editor to that it uses vim and not nano when I do something like crontab -e ? I forget the variabl |
| 00:38.20 | Nielsen | EDITOR="vim" crontab -e |
| 00:38.43 | foo | ah, I guess it isn't set by default, I should have tried that. thanks |
| 00:38.43 | itchi | tanob: Thanks, i gone try it out in 3 mins :-) |
| 00:39.15 | itchi | foo: update-alternatives |
| 00:39.29 | foo | itchi: hm, what does that do? |
| 00:39.58 | itchi | foo: "maintain symbolic links determining default commands" |
| 00:40.17 | itchi | foo: See man update-alternatives too |
| 00:40.29 | m4ggus[etch] | foo, they are saved in /etc/alternatives |
| 00:40.33 | foo | aha, I see |
| 00:40.34 | foo | Thanks |
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| 00:41.43 | itchi | tanob: I need to wait a few more, updating the system :-s |
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| 00:44.50 | Wiiman | hey |
| 00:45.03 | itchi | tanob: The problem is that gcc 4.1.2 is not available here |
| 00:45.11 | Wiiman | i'm trying to setup x does anyone know the command? |
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| 00:45.21 | Wiiman | i tried xsetup.sh |
| 00:45.34 | itchi | tanob: Only "/usr/bin/gcc -> gcc-4.1" that is 4.1.3 |
| 00:45.49 | Wiiman | i just got a screen full off wiggles when i started so i dropped the gui not i'm in root |
| 00:45.51 | itchi | Wiiman: What are you trying to do? |
| 00:45.51 | Amarande | Wiiman, you mean to reconfigure the X server? |
| 00:45.57 | Wiiman | yeah |
| 00:46.03 | Amarande | to reconfigure the X server, you do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 00:46.03 | itchi | !drxx |
| 00:46.04 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 00:46.12 | Wiiman | it's trying to do something higher than 800x600 |
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| 00:46.42 | Wiiman | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 00:46.48 | Wiiman | like that? |
| 00:46.55 | itchi | Wiiman: In that other console, yes, as root user |
| 00:46.57 | Wiiman | or run as well... |
| 00:47.05 | Wiiman | yeah i got it |
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| 00:47.12 | Amarande | Wiiman, you'll get prompted at one point for valid resolutions |
| 00:47.17 | itchi | Wiiman: Then answer these things there ... |
| 00:47.19 | Wiiman | ok |
| 00:47.51 | itchi | Wiiman: Just re-run that 'drxx' again if you have go to fast |
| 00:48.14 | Wiiman | xserver is not installed |
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| 00:48.30 | itchi | foo: Or should i need to recompile my kernel with gcc 4.1.3 ? |
| 00:48.37 | itchi | oeps |
| 00:48.42 | Amarande | Wiiman, apt-get install xserver-xorg |
| 00:48.43 | itchi | tanob: ^^ |
| 00:48.44 | Wiiman | ok |
| 00:49.08 | Wiiman | damn it |
| 00:49.12 | Wiiman | i cant it's a live cd |
| 00:49.52 | stoned | this is a speech to text test |
| 00:49.54 | abrotman | Wiiman: what liveCD are you using ? |
| 00:50.01 | stoned | well this works pretty good |
| 00:50.01 | Wiiman | overclockix |
| 00:50.04 | itchi | stoned: And work it? :-p |
| 00:50.09 | Wiiman | it's debian based |
| 00:50.15 | abrotman | so ask them how to use it .. not us |
| 00:50.20 | stoned | oh my god this thing is awesome. I am not even typing anything |
| 00:50.27 | stoned | ha ha ha ha |
| 00:50.28 | stoned | :D |
| 00:50.39 | Wiiman | there is no support |
| 00:50.40 | itchi | stoned: Which stuff have you used? |
| 00:51.04 | itchi | stoned: That may some fun if i try that, such like Yoda :-p |
| 00:51.07 | abrotman | Wiiman: then try a debian liveCD .. we can't support all the debian-based systems |
| 00:51.07 | stoned | itchi: I'm on windows. I got dragon naturally speaking and Im running konsole on laptop, over sshx using Xming on windows |
| 00:51.42 | Wiiman | hmm |
| 00:51.54 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:52.08 | stoned | !yoda |
| 00:52.08 | dpkg | yoda is probably my translation sounding like, yes? hmmm! |
| 00:52.18 | itchi | stoned: Star wars |
| 00:52.23 | stoned | well yeah |
| 00:52.32 | stoned | I thought yoda was like some speech program in linux |
| 00:52.46 | itchi | Dunno, some diff people have say me that i sound like Yoda. Yeah my english sucks :-p |
| 00:53.27 | itchi | I never have see Star Wars in the original language too |
| 00:53.30 | stoned | itchy: your English is not bad at all. |
| 00:53.50 | itchi | stoned: Do you want to hear me?? :-p |
| 00:54.01 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:54.10 | stoned | Itchy sure, entered. |
| 00:54.18 | stoned | Minus enter. |
| 00:54.29 | stoned | i said enter instead of new line |
| 00:54.30 | stoned | hehe |
| 00:54.33 | itchi | stoned: Dutch and French. But originaly some dialect from Brussels. It's a mix of Dutch and French in a way |
| 00:54.43 | stoned | cool |
| 00:55.01 | nhuisman_work | speaking of star wars |
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| 00:55.08 | nhuisman_work | has anyone seen the star wars christmas special |
| 00:55.12 | nhuisman_work | lmao that is funny stuff. |
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| 00:55.25 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:55.29 | nhuisman_work | funny as in painful. |
| 00:55.34 | itchi | nhuisman_work: Not yet |
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| 00:55.53 | nhuisman_work | it was aired once in 1978 and never put on to vhs or dvd, but their are some bootlegs out there |
| 00:56.05 | stoned | I love this text to speech thing. |
| 00:56.22 | stoned | now I should learn how to use this software to browse the web |
| 00:56.25 | stoned | type and all that |
| 00:56.29 | itchi | stoned: Find somethings on Debian and tell me about it :-p |
| 00:56.35 | stoned | then maybe I wouldn't have a need for keyboard or mouse |
| 00:56.36 | stoned | haha |
| 00:56.39 | stoned | that would be sweet |
| 00:56.53 | itchi | stoned: Yeah, some Yoda text to speech stuff :-p |
| 00:56.54 | stoned | yes, it would be quite sweet. |
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| 01:00.18 | jraasch | anyone have any experience getting ndiswrapper to load? when I type modprobe ndiswrapper I get the following error: FATAL module ndiswrapper not found. Any suggestions?? |
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| 01:00.52 | itchi | jraasch: Did you build the module? |
| 01:01.12 | itchi | jraasch: And how |
| 01:01.26 | jraasch | itchi: I dont think so...this is my first time with ndiswrapper, I did apt-get all ndiswrapper except for the source |
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| 01:01.55 | itchi | jraasch: Look with module-assistant as root user and select it there |
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| 01:02.15 | jraasch | I was able to though use ndiswrapper -i "something.ini" to install the driver |
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| 01:04.36 | jraasch | itchi: i can select ndiswrapper using module-assistant, should I select it and choose ok |
| 01:04.46 | itchi | jraasch: Yup |
| 01:05.08 | itchi | jraasch: Follow all the steps there with that TUI |
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| 01:05.49 | itchi | jraasch: But you need to take a look on the ndiswrapper website too, cause you need to get the firmware of your stuff too |
| 01:05.50 | jraasch | looks like im downloading the source files for it along with a lot of other things |
| 01:06.15 | itchi | jraasch: The required stuff to build that module. Also the source for that 'thing' you go build |
| 01:06.30 | itchi | Kinda usefull that tool anyway |
| 01:06.40 | jraasch | sure is! |
| 01:06.44 | jraasch | thanks by the way |
| 01:07.02 | itchi | jraasch: No probs, someone told me that some time back ;-) |
| 01:07.09 | jraasch | so how hard is it to get the firmware. Is this the firmware for the wireless card? |
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| 01:07.29 | jeffwheeler | Debian allows new packages in the repositories at any time, unlike Ubuntu, right? Not just at new releases... |
| 01:07.32 | itchi | jraasch: Yes |
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| 01:07.58 | itchi | jeffwheeler: I dunno about ubuntu, but the stuff goes in Sid first |
| 01:08.15 | itchi | jraasch: You need to fetch an ini file if i remember |
| 01:08.16 | jeffwheeler | itchi: yeah, I don't mean directly into stable, but new packages are added |
| 01:08.21 | centrx | correct |
| 01:08.30 | jeffwheeler | okay, cool, thanks |
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| 01:08.51 | jraasch | i dont see how ubuntu can be any different. Its based on debian and gets packages through the sorces file just like debian |
| 01:08.52 | itchi | jraasch: You need to download the 'windows' driver files :-s |
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| 01:09.17 | dvs | jraasch: but the actual packages are different |
| 01:09.42 | itchi | jraasch: The ndiswrapper wiki helped me much some time back |
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| 01:09.54 | sudo_maddash | isn't there some doc that lists out the contents of each of the 7+ Debian ISOs? |
| 01:09.59 | jraasch | itchi, i already got the windows drivers installed. I already installed them using ndiswrapper -i. that is all i need to do right? |
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| 01:10.58 | itchi | jraasch: Euhm, i think yes, but it's long time ago i did that |
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| 01:11.03 | jraasch | dvs: a couple minor line edits in the sources file though can end up using the debian files, right? I think you might run into a little dep hell though. I think I tried this with Linspire. |
| 01:11.21 | itchi | jraasch: It's realy not that hard, just need to follow some steps |
| 01:11.36 | dvs | jraasch: but the packages already on the machine are Ubuntu. |
| 01:11.45 | abrotman | sudo_maddash: you can extract it yourself |
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| 01:12.15 | itchi | sudo_maddash: See /msg dpkg cd contents |
| 01:12.33 | dvs | jraasch: There will always be packages left over from Ubuntu. |
| 01:12.38 | jraasch | itchi: i have actually been trying to follow from this guide: http://dossy.org/archives/000110.html but they aren't using debian. They are actually building the packages and then installing them. |
| 01:12.46 | bzed | jraasch: what are you trying to do anyway? |
| 01:13.11 | bzed | jraasch: or better question: which card do you wanna try to get runnign using this **** piece of ndiswrapper? |
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| 01:13.42 | itchi | jraasch: Except for that module deb, cause you build it with module-assistant |
| 01:13.47 | jraasch | bzed: goal: create a wireless access point. The drivers for the wireless card are actually already installed with the default install of debian but the drivers don't really work at all.... and is very limited |
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| 01:14.06 | itchi | jraasch: And sure, the other ones are packaged for debian too |
| 01:14.11 | bzed | jraasch: q: which card. outout of lspci for that card please |
| 01:14.36 | bzed | or lsusb if it's an usb card |
| 01:14.42 | adam_ | I'm wondering if anyone would like to help me with a curisoity of mine. I'm trying to manualy setup my system to boot multi distrobution of linux. I've already had luck seting it up automaticaly, so this is why its a curiosity to figure out whats going on in the Menu.lst. |
| 01:14.46 | jraasch | I have been searching forever for a distro that is designed just for an access point for a generic pc, not just a wrap board. I tried m0n0wall but ended up finding out it doesn't support wireless cards |
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| 01:15.43 | bzed | jraasch: answer the question please |
| 01:15.57 | adam_ | the only part that realy has me stumped are the Kernel Parameters |
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| 01:16.31 | adam_ | eg. kernel/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.20-15-generic root=UUID=e920fd85-a0d0-40d7-923e-5c97faa25c63 ro single |
| 01:16.36 | jraasch | network controller: broadcom corporation bcm4306 802.11bg wireless lan controller (rev 3) |
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| 01:17.21 | jraasch | that help? |
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| 01:17.42 | bzed | jraasch: there's a bcm43xx-fwcutter package which is at least used to extract the needed firmware from the original drivers |
| 01:17.50 | barny | I'm wondering if anyone would like to help me with a curisoity of mine. I'm trying to manualy setup my system to boot multi distrobution of linux. I've already had luck seting it up automaticaly, so this is why its a curiosity to figure out whats going on in the Menu.lst. |
| 01:17.54 | barny | the only part that realy has me stumped are the Kernel Parameters |
| 01:17.56 | barny | eg. kernel/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.20-15-generic root=UUID=e920fd85-a0d0-40d7-923e-5c97faa25c63 ro single |
| 01:18.04 | bzed | jraasch: I guess it could contain some information what to do with the firmware later ;) |
| 01:18.34 | itchi | wtf |
| 01:18.58 | bzed | jraasch: ok, http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/ says the driver is in the normal kernel since 2.6.17 |
| 01:19.07 | itchi | I got a "Deja vue" |
| 01:19.12 | bzed | jraasch: I guess all you need is your normal kernel and an extracted firmware |
| 01:19.15 | bzed | itchi: me too |
| 01:19.28 | itchi | adam_ and barny i mean |
| 01:19.42 | jraasch | bzed: yea, bcm43xx-fwcutter couldn't be found by apt-get anyway |
| 01:19.42 | barny | whats going on after vmlinuz? how do they come up with these parameters root=UUID=e920fd85-a0d0-40d7-923e-5c97faa25c63 ro single? |
| 01:19.58 | bzed | jraasch: what are you using? etch? sarge? |
| 01:19.59 | itchi | bzed: That define the id of the hdd |
| 01:20.06 | jraasch | etch i believe |
| 01:20.11 | barny | itchi, huh? what? |
| 01:20.13 | itchi | arg |
| 01:20.21 | jraasch | lol arg |
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| 01:20.37 | bzed | itchi: somehow I think barny is adam_ |
| 01:21.17 | itchi | I'm no more fresh at all :-p |
| 01:21.17 | barny | yes it made me change my nick |
| 01:21.18 | bzed | barny: and I think you're using ubuntu |
| 01:21.18 | sudo_maddash | hm, debian without a network connection is impossible, huh? |
| 01:21.18 | itchi | sudo_maddash: No realy |
| 01:21.23 | barny | bzeb yes, but I am also using debian, and suse. |
| 01:21.27 | itchi | sudo_maddash: A bit messy but not mission imposible |
| 01:21.29 | bzed | jraasch: cat /etc/debian_version - what's in there |
| 01:21.30 | bzed | ? |
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| 01:21.45 | itchi | sudo_maddash: Just fetch the "needed" cd's |
| 01:21.51 | bzed | barny: then you wanna ask in #ubuntu how they found that stuff, debian does not use UUIDs per default (yet) |
| 01:21.55 | jraasch | 4.0 |
| 01:22.54 | bzed | jraasch: you need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list then, add contrib non-free to each line |
| 01:22.57 | jraasch | when do you think debian is going to run out of toy story names? |
| 01:23.05 | bzed | jraasch: and run apt-get update after that. |
| 01:23.25 | barny | bzed, I realy just want to know what is necissary for seting it up manualy. Do I need to add anything after kernel/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.20-15-generic |
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| 01:24.32 | bzed | barny: root=some_device ro |
| 01:25.42 | bzed | barny: at least. but you wanna ask #ubuntu what you need for their kernel |
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| 01:25.42 | barny | bzeb so its kernel specific? |
| 01:25.43 | _tourt_ | hello |
| 01:25.43 | bzed | jraasch: a line would look like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 01:25.43 | bzed | jraasch: or stable instead of etch |
| 01:26.01 | abrotman | not all mirrors are /debian/ |
| 01:26.07 | bzed | barny: yes, and you need to learn how to use tab as autocompletion for nicknames. my nickname is BZED and nothing else |
| 01:26.22 | bzed | abrotman: true, but most of them |
| 01:26.41 | jraasch | looks like the fwcutter extracted the firmware. Im not sure where it went though |
| 01:26.57 | abrotman | /lib/firmware/ most likely |
| 01:27.06 | bzed | jraasch: /usr/share/doc/thatfwcutterpackage ;) |
| 01:27.22 | sudo_maddash | itchi: yeah, but some brilliant fellow decided to pack the dependencies for abiword (which I'll need) across 3 CDs. |
| 01:27.25 | jraasch | ah, it is in /lib/firmware! |
| 01:27.39 | bzed | jraasch: and I guess all you need to do now is to modprobe the right module |
| 01:27.41 | _tourt_ | does anyone have this card? |
| 01:27.46 | _tourt_ | /exec lspci | grep Display |
| 01:27.51 | _tourt_ | ups ;-) |
| 01:27.55 | barny | whats wrong with my nickbame, barny with no e? lol who could have that one. |
| 01:28.26 | _tourt_ | 01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 PRO] (Secondary) (rev 01) |
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| 01:28.26 | itchi | sudo_maddash: That's caused be 'popcon' i think see /msg dpkg popcon |
| 01:28.48 | sudo_maddash | itchi: "caused be"? huh? |
| 01:28.50 | _tourt_ | I'm using standard fglrx drivers |
| 01:28.59 | _tourt_ | but it's so slow! |
| 01:29.00 | barny | maddash was it taken? |
| 01:29.00 | itchi | sudo_maddash: Look to /msg dpkg popcon ;-) |
| 01:29.13 | jraasch | i was having some issues installing the ndiswrapper modules. I just realized that I forgot to do the prepare option in module-assistant. So that is where I am at now, its downloading all the deps for that right now |
| 01:29.17 | itchi | _tourt_: You not yet have 3D i guess |
| 01:29.22 | bzed | !tell _tourt_ about enter |
| 01:29.37 | bzed | jraasch: noooo |
| 01:29.38 | _tourt_ | (using fresh etch here) |
| 01:29.40 | jraasch | bzed: thanks to you as well for your help! |
| 01:29.44 | jraasch | nooooo what!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 01:29.47 | bzed | jraasch: you don't need ndiswrapper... |
| 01:29.58 | jraasch | oh |
| 01:30.00 | bzed | jraasch: that's what I'm trying to tell you all the time |
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| 01:30.34 | abrotman | _tourt_: your card works with the radeon drivers just fine |
| 01:30.34 | bzed | jraasch: the module you need is in ythe kernel you';re running, but it needed the firmware to work |
| 01:30.34 | itchi | barny: Look to /msg nickserv info nickName |
| 01:30.34 | jraasch | srry Im confused. I thought i needed the firmware for ndiswrapper |
| 01:30.34 | lontra | what do i need to do to get audio in flash9? |
| 01:30.35 | itchi | barny: Replace nickName |
| 01:30.36 | bzed | jraasch: read the docs of the firmware cutter, I guess it'll tell you what to do after cutting the firmware |
| 01:30.36 | jraasch | bzed: oh, ok! |
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| 01:30.40 | barny | bzed, so bottom line, I have to find out the correct parameters for each kernel? There is no standard or reasoning behind them? this is my suse setup " kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18.8-0.1-default root=/dev/hda6 vga=0x31a resume=/dev/hda5 splash=silent showopts" |
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| 01:30.52 | _tourt_ | abrotman: I'm using radeon drivers right now |
| 01:30.53 | itchi | lontra: Nothing appart flash i thought |
| 01:31.13 | Reiser2 | hi |
| 01:31.20 | abrotman | you just said you're using fglrx |
| 01:31.20 | itchi | lontra: And a sound system too, you have a little problem i think heh |
| 01:31.20 | _tourt_ | but the performance is not as good as windows |
| 01:31.23 | dvs | _tourt_: ATI recently dropped support for any chips earlier than the R300s |
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| 01:31.25 | Reiser2 | i have a problem with Iceweasel |
| 01:31.41 | bzed | barny: yes, every distribution does it's own magic. but with root=/dev/foo ro most of them should work, but you need extra stuff for swsusp and other things |
| 01:31.50 | Reiser2 | i see all Ñ like how ? |
| 01:31.52 | _tourt_ | dvs: oh, didn't know it... thanks |
| 01:31.57 | dvs | no prob |
| 01:32.15 | abrotman | _tourt_: so use the radeon driver .. like i said :) |
| 01:32.21 | itchi | Reiser2: Try to make a capture of it?? |
| 01:32.43 | dvs | !beer abrotman |
| 01:32.43 | bzed | _tourt_: if the radeon driver supports your card it will be faster than the original ati stuff |
| 01:32.49 | curmudgeon | I think every nick is owned |
| 01:32.50 | itchi | curmudgeon: Register a nick ;-) |
| 01:32.51 | curmudgeon | lol |
| 01:33.07 | itchi | curmudgeon: Sure, many are, take on that is not yet |
| 01:33.18 | _tourt_ | hum... |
| 01:33.18 | foobarfuzz | see |
| 01:33.21 | foobarfuzz | that's not owned |
| 01:33.25 | curmudgeon | lol |
| 01:33.35 | _tourt_ | glxgears is slow |
| 01:33.35 | dvs | Some kiwi is trying to take mine |
| 01:33.35 | foobar | that is owned |
| 01:33.35 | foobar | damn |
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| 01:33.39 | Reiser2 | ok |
| 01:33.44 | foobar | anyway |
| 01:33.45 | foobar | n8n8 |
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| 01:33.57 | itchi | !teel Akarf about away |
| 01:34.00 | itchi | bah |
| 01:34.04 | itchi | !tell Akarf about away |
| 01:34.05 | dvs | teel? |
| 01:34.12 | foobar | good luck jraasch, I'm sure itchi or abrotman will help you when I'm asleep ;) |
| 01:34.16 | itchi | dvs: My keyboard is drunken, wtf |
| 01:34.21 | dvs | heh |
| 01:34.22 | itchi | :-p |
| 01:34.24 | _tourt_ | and it's consuming 95% of the processor!!! |
| 01:34.27 | bzed | !beer itchi |
| 01:34.41 | itchi | hehe |
| 01:34.42 | dvs | a beer and run! |
| 01:34.46 | curmudgeon | it won't let me use grubylilo as a nick |
| 01:34.49 | sudo_maddash | _tourt_: that's because you don't have hardware accel |
| 01:34.50 | Reiser2 | what is the name of screen capture? |
| 01:34.55 | sudo_maddash | Reiser2: scrot |
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| 01:35.11 | jraasch | foobar: thanx, I will let you know if they are not doing their job ;) |
| 01:35.34 | itchi | curmudgeon: Nah, leave lilo please, and btw, hopes he goes good now |
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| 01:36.51 | jraasch | bzed: all there really was for readme was a README.debian, and it wasn't very helpful at all. Do you know anywhere else that good documentation on this would be? |
| 01:37.03 | Igiveup | ! |
| 01:37.19 | jraasch | !beer bzed |
| 01:37.20 | itchi | Igiveup: Register it :-p |
| 01:37.26 | Igiveup | lol |
| 01:37.46 | itchi | Igiveup: Maybe *dont* ;-) |
| 01:38.09 | Igiveup | I'll figure out a better one another day. |
| 01:38.33 | itchi | Igiveup: Yeah, but not register a bunch of diff nicks heh |
| 01:38.52 | itchi | Igiveup: I hear you brother complaining about the same things :-p |
| 01:39.00 | itchi | already* |
| 01:39.57 | Igiveup | There has to be a way to know what parameters to put behind the kernel. |
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| 01:39.58 | abrotman | cat /proc/cmdline |
| 01:39.58 | Igiveup | My brother? when did that happen? Mom's been... lol |
| 01:39.58 | abrotman | oh .. that's what is behind the current kernel |
| 01:39.58 | tuvwx | i'm getting the message: "Your time source seems to be instable or some driver is hogging interupts" whenver i burn a dvd5 iso9660 image to my ide dvd burner. strangely, this does not happen if it's a udf image! |
| 01:40.34 | itchi | tuvwx: Are the files bigger as 2 GB on it? |
| 01:40.47 | tuvwx | itchi, no |
| 01:40.49 | Reiser2 | how can i use scrot ? |
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| 01:41.50 | tuvwx | itchi, it starts burning, but takes awful long, corrupts the system clock, and everything else acts weired |
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| 01:42.34 | Igiveup | abrotman that shows what is in my menu.lst right now. |
| 01:42.47 | abrotman | i said that |
| 01:42.58 | itchi | Reiser2: Did you read the man page about it? |
| 01:43.03 | Reiser2 | yeah |
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| 01:43.21 | Reiser2 | sorry |
| 01:43.26 | Reiser2 | i found the image |
| 01:44.09 | Igiveup | abrotman I wish i knew how you knew that, but I'm more interested in finding out what I have to put behind each kernel for each distrobution for multi boot. |
| 01:44.44 | Igiveup | I read every page of the grub info pages and never came across that. |
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| 01:46.14 | tuvwx | are there any known problems with sata dvd burners? |
| 01:46.27 | Igiveup | abrotman do you know of any documentation that might help me more? |
| 01:46.45 | foo | Err, etch is pissing me off. I upgraded... I reboot the server... it comes up, but I can't ping it... call data center, they reboot ... it comes up, I can ping it ... same thing, again... I reboot, doesn't come up, they reboot, it comes up ... and it just happened again for a third time. This makes no sense. /me waits for it to come back up |
| 01:47.22 | abrotman | Igiveup: i don't understand why it's so hard |
| 01:47.27 | Avochelm | foo, i had some trouble with network card when i upgraded from sarge, too |
| 01:47.51 | Avochelm | in the readme there was something about a configuration file being moved |
| 01:48.11 | foo | Avochelm: This is the second box I've had trouble on ... first one was issues with realtek network chipset, I added noapic and noapci=off ... that worked ... this one, it didn't. |
| 01:48.20 | foo | This one doesn't even have a realtek chipset. |
| 01:48.20 | Reiser2 | where i can paste images? |
| 01:48.32 | foo | Reiser2: hmm, flyupload.com is one place to upload to |
| 01:48.40 | jraasch | is there a way to use ifconfig to make perminent changes, or do you have to write a startup script? |
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| 01:48.49 | foo | Avochelm: Which one? I read the debian page that talks about upgrading. |
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| 01:49.19 | foo | abrotman: Any ideas on this? Is network issues after an upgrade from sarge -> etch an issue? Doubt it ... but that makes 3 people who have seen an issue. Thanks |
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| 01:49.48 | Igiveup | abrotman I am fairly new to linux. maybe in time it will become easier. Right now I need pointers. :( |
| 01:50.15 | abrotman | foo: might depend on the NIC |
| 01:50.24 | abrotman | Igiveup: look at the grub config for a bit .. |
| 01:50.34 | tuvwx | jraasch, most network setup can be made perminent using the the file /etc/network/interfaces. man interfaces for details |
| 01:50.38 | foo | abrotman: Gotcha. I've seen it with realtek and VIA. Avochelm, you know what chipset your NIC had? |
| 01:50.39 | Igiveup | ok |
| 01:51.23 | Avochelm | foo, http://www.us.debian.org/releases/etch/releasenotes |
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| 01:51.51 | Reiser2 | http://www.flyupload.com/?fid=8053660 |
| 01:51.57 | foo | Avochelm: ? |
| 01:52.17 | Reiser2 | itchi: check the capture |
| 01:53.01 | lontra | does anyone have any ideas what i could do to get audio with flash? audio works with my other apps |
| 01:54.15 | Avochelm | foo, the release notes that mentioned networking stuff. how do you determine what network card you use? i think we use intel and on-board nvidia |
| 01:54.41 | abrotman | lspci |
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| 01:54.53 | itchi | Reiser2: That's a trouble with the locales |
| 01:55.00 | itchi | Reiser2: Btw, avoid root usage heh |
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| 01:55.25 | Reiser2 | then? |
| 01:55.29 | itchi | Reiser2: He not yet reconize your special chars |
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| 01:55.47 | Reiser2 | then? |
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| 01:56.29 | itchi | Reiser2: You need to installd that iceweasel-l10n-it or es |
| 01:56.49 | itchi | Reiser2: Look if it's already installed with dpkg -i foo |
| 01:57.06 | jraasch | I am still having some issues with my wireless card. Does it matter if under iwconfig that Access Point = Invalid? Also, also the Bit Rate is stuck at 1 Mb/s |
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| 01:57.44 | Guerin | jraasch: what in mode is your card? |
| 01:58.03 | Guerin | s/what in/in what/ |
| 01:58.09 | jraasch | Guerin: Master |
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| 01:58.26 | foo | Ok, on a successful reboot of the NIC coming up, it shows this in the logs: via-rhine.c:v1.10-LK1.4.1 July-24-2006 Written by Donald Becker , May 17 18:53:21 localhost kernel: eth0: VIA Rhine II at 0x1d000, 00:19:21:26:b4:e4, IRQ 10. , May 17 18:53:21 localhost kernel: eth0: MII PHY found at address 1, status 0x7869 advertising 05e1 Link 45e1. , May 17 18:53:21 localhost kernel: eth0: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex, lpa 0x45E1 ... when I ... |
| 01:58.29 | jraasch | and would the Bit Rate be affected if the antenna isn't on yet? |
| 01:58.32 | foo | ... reboot and the NIC doesn't work, it doesn't show any of those lines ... any ideas? |
| 01:58.35 | foo | I just upgraded from sarge->etch |
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| 02:00.29 | itchi | jraasch: sure |
| 02:00.42 | bruno-cassol_ | question about my /etc/fstab. do i need to set -iocharset and codepage option for ext3 if i use protuguese characters (çéáà üãõ) or it is just needed for FAT file systems? |
| 02:00.42 | itchi | jraasch: That make the 'quality' heh |
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| 02:01.33 | jraasch | itchi: so the access point = invalid doesn't mean anything if the card is acting as an access point itself? |
| 02:01.46 | itchi | jraasch: I dunno about that |
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| 02:03.36 | jraasch | itchi: do you know if you have to write a startup script enable to get iptable settings to stay? |
| 02:04.01 | foo | Hm, from : http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20050509 ... " At the end of my installation I found that the module for my Ethernet card was not being loaded, so I had no network. I know that my card uses the via-rhine driver, and typing "modprobe via-rhine" worked, so I added "via-rhine" to file /etc/modules.autoload.d/kernel-2.6 and all was well on the next reboot." ... hmm. I don't seem to have that file. Where is the file where ... |
| 02:04.03 | itchi | jraasch: Dunno too :-p I use a custom script for that |
| 02:04.07 | foo | ... debian puts the modules so I can add it? |
| 02:04.13 | itchi | jraasch: A basic bash script |
| 02:04.18 | abrotman | foo: use /etc/modules |
| 02:04.42 | Wyzard | jraasch: Use a firewall package such as FireHOL or Shorewall, rather than hand-writing a bunch of iptables rules |
| 02:04.45 | jraasch | itchi: do you just write a custom script in /etc/init.d and it will then boot up at startup. Is that all you have to do? |
| 02:04.59 | itchi | jraasch: That is how i do, yes |
| 02:05.04 | foo | abrotman: ok, that's what I thought. Thanks |
| 02:05.40 | foo | abrotman: Any idea why this isn't loaded by default? Strange. |
| 02:05.58 | jraasch | Wyzard, our past employees have always wrote iptables rules. For right now, I would like to at least learn how to create them so that is why I am using iptables right now |
| 02:05.59 | foo | abrotman: And why it works when someone does a ctrl+alt+del to reboot the box but not after a "reboot" is issued ? Darn strange. |
| 02:06.00 | abrotman | foo: nope .. not my hardware :) |
| 02:06.25 | itchi | jraasch: Do you know how to make a custom startup service? Can be realy simply to do |
| 02:06.27 | abrotman | foo: i agree .. if it makes you feel better ... if i reboot my laptop .. the wifi doesn't work on the next boot :) |
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| 02:07.05 | foo | abrotman: haha. Well, script it :) Anywho, thanks. I hate to admit that it lowers my love for Debian... because it just doesn't make sense to me. |
| 02:07.16 | jraasch | itchi: actually i dont.... |
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| 02:07.25 | abrotman | foo: could be a kernel issue .. you'd have to look into it a bit more |
| 02:07.28 | itchi | jraasch: Caus there miss a little detail above. There need to be symlinks in /etc/rcX.d too |
| 02:07.38 | jraasch | I figured all i had to do is write a file in init.d and it would automatically load at startup |
| 02:08.02 | foo | abrotman: hm, it's a debian kernel. But yeah, you're right |
| 02:08.05 | itchi | jraasch: Hold on, i search for info in the bot |
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| 02:08.37 | foo | abrotman: grr, still hasn't come up yet. Oh boy, if that didn't fix the problem ... /me joins #kernel |
| 02:08.47 | itchi | jraasch: See /msg dpkg services |
| 02:08.56 | itchi | Dunno if it's clear enought |
| 02:09.02 | abrotman | foo: might want #debian-kernel on irc.oftc.net |
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| 02:09.11 | jeffwheeler | Why is there an HTTP interface to Debian's ftp servers, e.g. http://ftp.debian.org/? |
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| 02:09.19 | itchi | jraasch: Any you do it manually for this custom thing |
| 02:09.20 | foo | abrotman: Thanks, I'll give that a shot. |
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| 02:09.28 | jraasch | also, do you know which comes first? The interfaces or the init.d scripts? |
| 02:09.28 | reiser2 | ok |
| 02:09.29 | itchi | Anyway* |
| 02:09.49 | abrotman | jeffwheeler: why not? ftp sucks |
| 02:09.54 | reiser2 | i need to solve the problem |
| 02:10.01 | reiser2 | with Ñ |
| 02:10.02 | jeffwheeler | abrotman: well, why have it be an ftp server, then? |
| 02:10.06 | Avochelm | haha, funniest description of vista yet: "sexy party dress aside – it’s the same old tart underneath" |
| 02:10.08 | abrotman | its' just a hostname |
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| 02:10.21 | jeffwheeler | abrotman: yeah, I know; I mean, why do they use that? |
| 02:10.35 | abrotman | jeffwheeler: would you feel better if it were http://heftysmurf.debian.org/ ? |
| 02:10.43 | mirak | when I change fbset timings I get an error : ioctl FBIOPUT_VSCREEBINFO: Invalid argument |
| 02:10.44 | jeffwheeler | abrotman: ha, okay |
| 02:10.50 | pepse | ftp is old |
| 02:10.52 | pepse | and crappy |
| 02:11.04 | jeffwheeler | I mean like, why not http.debian.org, ha |
| 02:11.07 | mirak | I am not sure how to force some frequencies. |
| 02:11.08 | pepse | http works through proxies |
| 02:11.19 | jeffwheeler | pepse: yeah, I have to use http at school |
| 02:11.20 | mirak | this settings are working with X modelines |
| 02:11.28 | pepse | that's why :) |
| 02:11.38 | abrotman | jeffwheeler: ftp.debian.org has other hostnames also |
| 02:11.49 | maelztrom | So...I have an embarassing question. I've googled...it hasn't given me what I want despite thinking it should be obvious. I just upgraded to etch--and the xscreensaver is kicking in after idle time and driving me *nuts* I have screensavers turned off under control center/appearances & themes/screensaver, settings/screensaver.... but I must have missed *something* somebody please help me find my sanity? |
| 02:12.11 | abrotman | screensaver .. or blanking the screen ? |
| 02:12.24 | maelztrom | the screensaver...it's even got a weird floating X on it and everything |
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| 02:14.14 | bruno-cassol | I'm using debian etch. In my desktop my mounted ext3 partitions appear as "15.8 GB Volume" and "18.6 GB Volume".. How do i give name to them? |
| 02:14.21 | itchi | !ftpmustdie |
| 02:14.21 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 02:14.36 | foo | abrotman: hm, going to try to modprobe via-rhine via command line instead of just issuing a reboot to see if it's an issue with that |
| 02:15.16 | Deepa | itchi: FTP is only good for one thing |
| 02:15.16 | Deepa | Anonymous Access |
| 02:15.16 | Deepa | And you might aswell host a Websserver for that XD |
| 02:15.16 | itchi | Deepa: And that's is it :-) |
| 02:15.21 | xoz | bruno-cassol: goto terminal, issue as root, fdisk -l |
| 02:15.31 | abrotman | that's not the only thing .. |
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| 02:15.47 | itchi | abrotman: To get the 10 round trips?? :-) |
| 02:16.03 | Deepa | itchi: Well, They are good at uploading tho |
| 02:16.06 | abrotman | itchi: try to explain scp to win32 users who need to upload large files to you |
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| 02:16.27 | pepse | I wish scp resumed :( |
| 02:17.20 | itchi | abrotman: I have a limited download/upload, wtf 12 GB monthly |
| 02:17.33 | bruno-cassol | xoz: i did sudo fdisk -l... and now? |
| 02:17.36 | itchi | For 43 euro's |
| 02:17.49 | abrotman | itchi: good for you .. are you a win32 user who is sending me large files ? |
| 02:17.58 | xoz | bruno-cassol: what do you want to do? |
| 02:18.04 | itchi | abrotman: What is a win32 user? |
| 02:18.05 | itchi | :-p |
| 02:18.41 | bruno-cassol | xoz: label my ext3 partitions.. i already tried e2label but it didn't changed in desktop |
| 02:19.03 | xoz | bruno-cassol: try gparted |
| 02:19.11 | lontra | how can i configure esd to use alsa? |
| 02:20.39 | bruno-cassol | xoz: gparted can't label partitions |
| 02:20.47 | Deepa | abrotman: winscp? |
| 02:21.08 | abrotman | Deepa: really .. that's nice .. explain that to the manager at your bank |
| 02:21.11 | xoz | bruno-cassol: really? |
| 02:21.22 | abrotman | Deepa: or to the HR lady at the Uni |
| 02:21.26 | abrotman | Deepa: get it ? |
| 02:21.57 | Deepa | How do you explain a application? |
| 02:21.57 | xoz | bruno-cassol: fdisk, cfdisk |
| 02:22.02 | reiser2 | i installed iceweasel-l10n-es-es |
| 02:22.03 | reiser2 | now |
| 02:22.11 | reiser2 | how can i use it ? |
| 02:22.14 | lontra | does anyone know how kpowersave can suspend my laptop with no problem but gnome-power-manager says it can't ... |
| 02:22.27 | foo | abrotman: hm, I added via-rhine ... but, after a reboot, via_rhine is loaded .. so it's probably that, right? |
| 02:22.31 | foo | abrotman: and not via-rhine |
| 02:22.39 | abrotman | eh? |
| 02:22.42 | abrotman | you named it wrong ? |
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| 02:22.49 | itchi | reiser2: Restart the browser |
| 02:23.22 | reiser2 | ready |
| 02:23.32 | |HellTiger| | how can i without vid_restart switch from quake3 to another x aplication ? |
| 02:23.48 | reiser2 | the same problem |
| 02:24.18 | bruno-cassol | xoz: i'm sorry.. but do you know what you are talking about? don't tell users to go trying commands that can be dangerous.. gparted, fdisk and cfdisk are dangerous and will not label an ext3 partition.. |
| 02:24.30 | bruno-cassol | anyone an help me? |
| 02:24.38 | bruno-cassol | can* |
| 02:24.59 | itchi | reiser2: What is the character encoding of that page? |
| 02:25.23 | abrotman | xoz: feed me! |
| 02:25.25 | trpr | hrm. tune2fs will set an ext3 partition label? |
| 02:25.26 | reiser2 | ok, i found the solution |
| 02:25.37 | xoz | hehe |
| 02:25.49 | bruno-cassol | i'll try |
| 02:25.50 | reiser2 | thanks people |
| 02:25.58 | itchi | reiser2: That was? |
| 02:26.12 | itchi | No one is stupid or all is |
| 02:26.16 | xoz | yeah yeah |
| 02:26.29 | itchi | Fetch some beer and come back :-p |
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| 02:27.11 | jraasch | hey, anyone know why my script isn't starting up at all. In the Interfaces file, I placed the following entry in there: post-up /etc/init.d/jesse_script. This script never executes... |
| 02:27.17 | itchi | reiser2: How have you fix it? |
| 02:28.28 | bruno-cassol | trpr: thanks your first and only advice solved the problem of a stupid user who was told to use gparted, fdisk and cfdisk to label ext3 partition |
| 02:28.56 | foo | abrotman: Looks like via_rhine didn't work either. This is driving me insane. /me thinks |
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| 02:29.42 | itchi | bruno-cassol: wtf |
| 02:29.59 | itchi | bruno-cassol: gparted > Device > Set Disklabel ... |
| 02:30.09 | xoz | ehem |
| 02:30.46 | reiser2 | installing iceweasel-l10n-es-es |
| 02:30.59 | itchi | bruno-cassol: And honesty i'm to lazy to look to the other ways :-p |
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| 02:31.56 | reiser2 | later selecting Central European ISO 8859-2 |
| 02:32.16 | reiser2 | the problem now is |
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| 02:32.25 | reiser2 | when i change to one page |
| 02:32.37 | reiser2 | i have to select again Central European |
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| 02:34.09 | grew | why doesnt my openoffice have a spellcheck dictionary? what package do i need for that |
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| 02:34.57 | bruno-cassol | you 2: itchi and xoz are at maximum 10 years old and should go give support for #windows users... if you take 2 secs to ready what "gparted > Device > Set Disklabel" will do.. specially the part that reads: "WARNING: Creatign a new disk label will erase all data on /dev/hda!"... what are you 2? hired by bill gates? stupid ppl, you can find them even on #debian |
| 02:35.00 | itchi | reiser2: You can define that on the 'page' side too, if you wrote the pages. Or use UTF-8 will be a bit easier maybe |
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| 02:35.18 | AndyCR | does anyone know how i would mount an ntfs partition with ntfs3g? |
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| 02:35.27 | itchi | bruno-cassol: Anyway, you have prove something about you |
| 02:35.28 | AndyCR | i can't figure out what filesystem type to specify |
| 02:35.35 | xoz | haha!!! |
| 02:35.36 | bruno-cassol | anyway i dont want to read.. bb |
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| 02:35.53 | nethenson | grew: openoffice.org-l10n-es , openoffice.org-l10n-fr, ... |
| 02:36.03 | trpr | kind of unpleasant |
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| 02:36.48 | itchi | I need to fix somethings i sayd "No one is stupid or all is" "Less people is stupid" |
| 02:37.27 | novaflare | well its pretty lame to give bad advice to people if you ask me |
| 02:37.43 | novaflare | if you dont know how to do somethign or what exactly it does dont sugest it |
| 02:38.19 | itchi | If it delete the stuff, that's not my problem at all, he can read like i can do |
| 02:38.30 | abrotman | lazy people suck |
| 02:38.31 | grew | nethenson: it was the myspell package |
| 02:38.32 | grew | got it |
| 02:38.33 | grew | thanks |
| 02:38.42 | trpr | the right tool for the right job and all that whatnot |
| 02:38.51 | itchi | !fish |
| 02:38.51 | dpkg | from memory, fish is FISHFISHFISH! DO THE FISH DANCE! "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate, instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, why not read some docs, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered? |
| 02:38.55 | xoz | of course partition label can only be accessed by fdisk, cfdisk, gparted. do you have any program that does partition kind of operations? |
| 02:38.57 | itchi | And that's is it ^ |
| 02:39.26 | novaflare | no its your fault cause you sugested it and for all a new linux user knows thats just a glitch in the program |
| 02:39.33 | novaflare | and in reality it wotn delete their stuff |
| 02:40.00 | xoz | novaflare:do you have a better advice to change the label. all those progs have access to that thing. |
| 02:40.03 | trpr | anyhow, it was resolved. tune2fs to the rescue. |
| 02:40.30 | novaflare | nope but if i offered the fdisk cfdisk etc option id be damned sure to let them know whts going to happen |
| 02:40.59 | novaflare | gah batteries low on my wireless keyboard |
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| 02:41.14 | novaflare | or not stupid reciever fell |
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| 02:42.09 | trpr | how long do the batteries usually last? i was thinking of getting a wireless keyboard. i already have a wireless mouse but it recharges on a base station. |
| 02:42.19 | itchi | It's still noted what there may happend if you apply that gparted thing, in bold heh |
| 02:42.25 | novaflare | the ones in this one are about 9 months old |
| 02:42.37 | itchi | err, caps |
| 02:42.40 | trpr | wow. a long time |
| 02:42.41 | novaflare | first set that shipped with it lasted over 18 months heh |
| 02:43.02 | novaflare | they were panasonic industrial lol |
| 02:43.14 | horochovec | hi... if i try start the freeradius, show this msg... *** glibc detected *** freeradius: double free or corruption (fasttop): 0x800fc848 *** |
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| 02:43.51 | novaflare | id never own a wired kb or mouse again |
| 02:44.04 | itchi | Anyway, that's not a reason to be arrogant and insult other people that give his time. Just explain it with respect |
| 02:44.09 | novaflare | unlike my computers desk top my computer desks desk top is always a emss heheh |
| 02:44.43 | novaflare | itchi, but when offering such advice let them know that it will erase current data |
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| 02:45.11 | abrotman | trpr: i thnik it depends on how much you type :) |
| 02:45.18 | novaflare | on a new install and renameing of a unused part chances are good they really dont care |
| 02:45.38 | novaflare | well im a chat and forum pig so heh |
| 02:45.51 | novaflare | lets just say 100 wpm give or take |
| 02:45.52 | itchi | novaflare: It is noted in that GUI thingy, what can i say more heh |
| 02:45.56 | novaflare | about 5 hours a day |
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| 02:46.17 | novaflare | yeh but look at how many people are click happy whn it comes to viruses |
| 02:46.28 | novaflare | think they will really read a warning message? |
| 02:46.43 | itchi | novaflare: That's not my PROBLEM, you know |
| 02:46.48 | novaflare | like that add deal that was on /. and dslrports today |
| 02:46.50 | itchi | novaflare: Everyone have eyes heh |
| 02:46.58 | trpr | lol. the battery spec could be written in wpm and it would make perfect sense :) |
| 02:47.12 | foo | abrotman: Hm, any other thoughts besides checking lsmod|grep rhine to see if debian loaded the module? I've read like 25+ google results ... none helpful. |
| 02:47.19 | foo | abrotman: If the module is loaded, they can replace the NIC. |
| 02:47.25 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 02:47.27 | foo | abrotman: I'm just out of ideas |
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| 02:47.35 | novaflare | well figure 100isn wpm 5 hours daily would be like having a single key held down for say 3 hours give or take |
| 02:47.42 | novaflare | per day |
| 02:47.44 | abrotman | foo: paste 'lspci && lspci -n' |
| 02:47.47 | abrotman | !paste |
| 02:47.47 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC or if those are not working, ask me about <pastebin> for other options |
| 02:47.53 | itchi | novaflare: You know, some things may not be done without attention, if your not able to do some things, let someone other do it |
| 02:47.58 | foo | abrotman: It's not online, but I can do that when it comes online |
| 02:48.05 | abrotman | foo: oh .. uhm |
| 02:48.07 | foo | abrotman: Just have someone on the phone now, going to have them to a lsmod |
| 02:48.10 | abrotman | foo: can you just grab the PCI id ? |
| 02:48.17 | abrotman | oh .. or not |
| 02:48.30 | novaflare | maybe so but people get excited when they think a anoying isue has been solved |
| 02:48.41 | novaflare | and will just go thank god click then oh crap |
| 02:48.56 | foo | abrotman: hm, yeah, I'll just have them reboot it after this to see if it works. What's weird is when I issue a reboot via command line, it doesn't come up ... they do ctrl+alt+del ... it works ... /me shakes head |
| 02:49.02 | itchi | novaflare: But honnesty, i not have follow the whole conversation of it, just when he began to insult other ones |
| 02:49.04 | trpr | wireless really is a worthy investment. sitting outside while the sunsets is much better than sitting back inside my cave |
| 02:49.23 | foo | abrotman: 25+ google results and 5+ IRC channels haven't a clue. Excuse me for picking on you :) Just think you know your stuff and may be able to help a tad |
| 02:49.24 | novaflare | any how trpr my batteries have been used for about 810 hours in 9 months |
| 02:49.28 | abrotman | foo: ca:12345:ctrlaltdel:/sbin/shutdown -t1 -a -r now |
| 02:49.39 | foo | abrotman: hmm, I see. |
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| 02:49.48 | trpr | novaflare: plenty long enough. i was worried i would have to replace them all the time |
| 02:50.12 | novaflare | well wireless mice use batteries the entire time they are off cradle |
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| 02:50.36 | novaflare | and ive forgotten mine for over a week when i went to visit my sister in kentucky a couple years back |
| 02:50.47 | novaflare | and it was still useable for like 5 hours after i got home heh |
| 02:50.56 | abrotman | foo: reboot is a link to halt .. which is apparently different than shutdown |
| 02:51.15 | black_13 | is there a quake for debian? |
| 02:51.19 | abrotman | yes |
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| 02:51.23 | abrotman | erm .. for linux |
| 02:51.43 | novaflare | quake would def work under cedega if nothign else |
| 02:51.51 | novaflare | heck i got rubies of eventide to mostly work |
| 02:51.59 | novaflare | and its direct x heavy lol |
| 02:52.09 | black_13 | abrotman, yep linux |
| 02:52.21 | novaflare | heavy to the point of makkign use of most of dx |
| 02:52.22 | abrotman | black_13: yes there is .. but it's not packaged for debian |
| 02:52.27 | black_13 | ah |
| 02:52.50 | black_13 | yeh when i went for apt-cache i didnt find anything |
| 02:52.54 | novaflare | not like thats a big deal can convert a rpm to deb pretty reliably ive found |
| 02:53.14 | novaflare | and for the life of me ill be damned if i can remember the commands to do it lol |
| 02:53.49 | black_13 | novaflare, alien ? |
| 02:53.55 | novaflare | yeh thats it lol |
| 02:54.19 | black_13 | novaflare, you are the first person on iirc i have actually helped |
| 02:54.26 | black_13 | ever |
| 02:54.30 | novaflare | i so wish i could get my damn parker vision wifi card to work under debian |
| 02:54.50 | novaflare | heheh prob so |
| 02:55.06 | novaflare | prob when i was beating my self up on ati drivers would be my bet |
| 02:55.49 | novaflare | i need to redo my main system again |
| 02:56.04 | novaflare | i had a stick of ram fail while mepis linux was booting |
| 02:56.11 | novaflare | and it totally hosed the install |
| 02:56.20 | xoz | !enter |
| 02:56.20 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. (Remember, the less you annoy us, the more help you're likely to get.) |
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| 02:56.45 | bubux | how can i tell gnome to open links with iceweasel instead of epiphany? i already set the web-browser on Preferred Applcations as iceweasel and still links open in epiphany. =( |
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| 02:57.24 | abrotman | bubux: the Default Appliations thingie in the Preferences |
| 02:58.11 | bubux | abrotman: i'm afraid to say taht i already did that =( |
| 02:58.20 | black_13 | then the next question is are their free wads for quake |
| 02:58.26 | itchi | bubux: See update-alternatives |
| 02:58.31 | black_13 | or this wrong? (morally wrong) |
| 02:59.23 | novaflare | well time for me to call it a night i think |
| 02:59.54 | novaflare | want to get in a early bike ride tomorow. Other wise im gona end up stiff as a board heh |
| 03:01.23 | bubux | itchi: hmm thanks! but i don't know how to use it.. man update-alternatives didn't sai about links =( |
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| 03:02.22 | jraasch | how can I get "ifup eth1" to run at startup? |
| 03:02.38 | pepse | /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 03:03.44 | en1gma | wow those guys in #winehq sure are scared of that DX10 reverse engineered thing that kid put out a while back |
| 03:03.52 | en1gma | brought that up in there and got kicked |
| 03:04.00 | nethenson | :S |
| 03:04.05 | |HellTiger| | how can i without vid_restart switch from quake3 to another x aplication ? |
| 03:04.26 | bubux | solved my problem with links in desktop: http://linux.seindal.dk/2006/08/15/gnome-desktop-links-open-in-epiphany/ thanks anyway |
| 03:04.44 | foo | abrotman: ok, got it up again. Hm, looks like when it came up before, it did have the via_rhine and mii modules loaded... /etc/init.d/networking restart would say: Reconfiguring network interfaces...Failed to bring up eth0. Failed to bring up eth0:1 Failed to bring up eth0:2 |
| 03:04.46 | en1gma | i was asking about it (was thinking maybe wine might use it) and man they dont like any info on it....guess it threatens there wine/cedega shit |
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| 03:05.16 | abrotman | foo: but it's via-rhine .. not _ |
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| 03:05.25 | foo | abrotman: 00:12.0 Ethernet controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6102 [Rhine-II] (rev 78) |
| 03:05.32 | abrotman | that's not -n |
| 03:05.35 | jraasch | pepse: I placed the command ifup eth1 in the interfaces file and it still doesn't run at start up. I have to manually type ifup eth1 to get this to run. |
| 03:05.43 | abrotman | but via-rhine should drive that |
| 03:05.45 | foo | abrotman: hm, you said to pastebin it - my bad, let me do that. |
| 03:06.01 | foo | abrotman: I've stuck both via-rhine and via_rhine in /etc/modules ... both with no luck. |
| 03:06.16 | itchi | Bulldog: update-alternatives --set x-www-browser /usr/bin/iceweasel |
| 03:06.18 | jraasch | foo, wow do i feel sorry for you |
| 03:06.29 | foo | jraasch: eh, thanks. Next thing we're going to do is replace hardware |
| 03:06.31 | reiser2 | i need to put my aceape to use Character Enconding UTF 8859-2 |
| 03:06.37 | itchi | hm, he is gone |
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| 03:06.46 | foo | abrotman: Still want that pastebin? Or are you out of ideas? |
| 03:06.48 | reiser2 | i select, but when i chaneg to another page, i have to select it again |
| 03:06.50 | jraasch | how about the whole board, and don't get the via chipset... :P |
| 03:06.58 | abrotman | foo: lspci -n | grep 12 |
| 03:08.26 | kairu0 | i'm having trouble installing Etch on a SPARC server. I'm getting "illegal instruction" after it initializes the ramdisk at the start of the install. has anyone else had this problem? |
| 03:08.26 | foo | jraasch: yeah... going to replace everything except hard drive, new board would have realtek chipset |
| 03:08.26 | foo | abrotman: 00:12.0 0200: 1106:3065 (rev 78) |
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| 03:08.26 | pepse | jraasch: look at what it says for eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces and copy that for eth1, don't just put 'ifup eth1' cause that won't work |
| 03:08.26 | jraasch | foo: I have always had good luck with nvidia chipset |
| 03:08.26 | abrotman | via-rhine 0x00001106 0x00003065 0xffffffff 0xffffffff 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x0 |
| 03:08.27 | abrotman | says it's the right one |
| 03:08.27 | foo | abrotman: hmm, I see. |
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| 03:08.36 | foo | abrotman: lsmod|grep rhine returns this: via_rhine 22664 0 and mii 5344 1 via_rhine |
| 03:08.45 | abrotman | but i tshould be via-rhine |
| 03:08.49 | abrotman | !find via-rhine etch |
| 03:08.55 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'via-rhine' (3 of 10): (/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-k7/kernel/drivers/net/via-rhine.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.18-4-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-486/kernel/drivers/net/via-rhine.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.18-4-486 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/kernel/drivers/net/via-rhine.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.18-4-686. |
| 03:09.05 | jraasch | pepse: the only thing eth0 has different is allow-hotplug eth0 |
| 03:09.11 | foo | abrotman: 2.6.18-4-686 = what I am on |
| 03:09.18 | abrotman | yeah .. should be - .. not _ |
| 03:09.19 | jraasch | is the allow-hotplug what is causing the device to startup? |
| 03:09.36 | foo | abrotman: so, what do I do? It's _ ... I don't know what else to say, hm. And it's working with _ right now, *thinks* |
| 03:09.47 | abrotman | foo: uname -r |
| 03:09.53 | jraasch | foo: are you able to get any sata drives to recongnise? |
| 03:09.56 | pepse | jraasch: mine doesn't say ifup eth0 |
| 03:09.58 | foo | abrotman: ai [n=alanhagg@unaffiliated/alanhaggai] has quit [Remote closed |
| 03:10.05 | abrotman | i didn't do it! |
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| 03:10.06 | foo | abrotman: 2.6.18-4-686 #1 SMP Wed May 9 23:03:12 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 03:10.08 | abrotman | hehe |
| 03:10.15 | foo | jraasch: yes, hard drive always works |
| 03:10.19 | jraasch | pepse: mine doesn't ethier.. so is it a different script that is doing that |
| 03:10.35 | pepse | jraasch: mine says 'auto eth1' then on another line 'iface eth1 inet dhcp' |
| 03:10.35 | abrotman | foo: you could put via-rhine and via_rhine in the /etc/modules |
| 03:10.42 | pepse | jraasch: so... try using correct syntax, cause 'ifup eth1' isn't correct |
| 03:11.00 | foo | abrotman: hm, I just tried one at a time... neither would work ... you think both will make a difference? Hm |
| 03:11.11 | abrotman | foo: covers both possibilities :) |
| 03:11.25 | jraasch | foo, ok, I had to replace 50 sata hard drives in replace of ide drives for a school order that had via chipset boards. Their imaging software which is linux based wouldn't detect the sata drives, so I was just wondering about you |
| 03:11.25 | foo | abrotman: Right, but I've tried both individually.. and neither worked, which is weird. |
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| 03:11.59 | foo | jraasch: ah, I see |
| 03:12.02 | foo | abrotman: hm, any other ideas? |
| 03:12.11 | abrotman | foo: kill via ? |
| 03:12.30 | foo | abrotman: Going to replace *all* hardware except for hard drive if you're not sure ... you're my last hope, Luke. |
| 03:12.38 | abrotman | foo: did you check the old dmesg logs for hints ? |
| 03:12.43 | vchrizz | i got an oops msg from kernel: http://rafb.net/p/RgZ0Oo31.html - BUG: unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address 6ab9e8a5 - any idea whats wrong or what i could do? |
| 03:12.44 | abrotman | like dmesg.0 |
| 03:12.59 | vchrizz | im using 2.6.21-rt1 |
| 03:13.05 | abrotman | ask #kernel |
| 03:13.10 | abrotman | or use a debian kernel |
| 03:13.35 | foo | abrotman: no, asked in #kernel and #debian-kernel, and I am using a debian kernel |
| 03:13.36 | vchrizz | ok |
| 03:13.47 | abrotman | foo: not you .. vchrizz |
| 03:13.57 | foo | abrotman: oh, hehe |
| 03:13.58 | abrotman | foo: you're supposed to be checking old dmesg logs :) |
| 03:14.21 | jraasch | pepse: thanks, the auto eth1 worked! |
| 03:14.30 | foo | abrotman: Is VIA a cheap chipset? |
| 03:14.40 | abrotman | they usually work okay |
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| 03:14.45 | jraasch | I am going to go out and test this access point now, thanks and bye |
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| 03:14.53 | jraasch | foo, yea, its almost as cheap as sis |
| 03:15.00 | foo | jraasch: err, ok. Thanks |
| 03:15.02 | jraasch | stick with nvidia or intel chipset |
| 03:15.06 | abrotman | nvidia? |
| 03:15.06 | foo | jraasch: thought so. |
| 03:15.08 | abrotman | wtf |
| 03:15.10 | foo | Well, Intel ... |
| 03:15.26 | foo | I know intel is good. |
| 03:15.38 | abrotman | you can't get a PCI NIC in there ? |
| 03:15.45 | foo | abrotman: nothing too obvios. dmesg has stuff about eth0 and rhine ... dmesg.0 has something about rhine, but just 1 line. |
| 03:15.53 | abrotman | just one line ? |
| 03:15.58 | jraasch | abrotman, yea nvidia :P you have a problem with that. Dont tell me your one of those ATI or amd guys :P |
| 03:16.01 | foo | abrotman: yes, possibly, or replace with a new board with realtek |
| 03:16.13 | foo | abrotman: yeah, via-rhine.c:v1.10-LK1.4.1 July-24-2006 Written by Donald Becke |
| 03:16.22 | abrotman | jraasch: uhm .. no .. but i wouldn't recommend nvidia to anyone .. ever |
| 03:16.32 | abrotman | foo: so it at least attempted to load it |
| 03:16.36 | foo | abrotman: Besides that, nothing about eth anything or anything |
| 03:16.37 | foo | abrotman: right |
| 03:16.44 | abrotman | foo: but for whatever reason .. it didn't pick up the NIC |
| 03:17.05 | foo | abrotman: I see. If you're out of ideas I'll have them replace the hardware. Any other ideas? |
| 03:17.10 | abrotman | foo: i wonder if it didn't shut it down properly |
| 03:17.21 | abrotman | but that requires a lot of monkeying to see |
| 03:17.27 | jraasch | later everyone |
| 03:17.28 | abrotman | foo: see if they can put a PCI NIC in the box |
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| 03:18.03 | abrotman | foo: just another chipset of something .. like some netgear card or something that isn't via |
| 03:18.05 | foo | abrotman: hm, I issued the reboot |
| 03:18.10 | abrotman | again ? |
| 03:18.12 | foo | abrotman: hmm, gotcha. ok |
| 03:18.20 | foo | abrotman: I mean, I issued the reboot ... so I'm assuming it shut down ok |
| 03:18.57 | abrotman | foo: i mean shutdown the hardware |
| 03:19.09 | foo | abrotman: ah |
| 03:19.13 | abrotman | foo: my wifi for whatever reason doesn't shutdown correctly .. and then won't load correctly on a warm boot |
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| 03:19.44 | foo | abrotman: I see. |
| 03:22.37 | abrotman | foo: did it come back ? |
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| 03:23.26 | |HellTiger| | how can i switch beteween opengl fullscreen game that catch mouse to another x aplication |
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| 03:27.28 | foo | abrotman: hm, didn't stick both in there. Just got off the phone with the data center complaining about cheap hardware... they have some other systems that run realtek that have been good and withstood an upgrade from sarge->etch |
| 03:27.43 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 03:27.45 | foo | abrotman: So, you want me to try to stick both in there and reboot? Doubt it'll work, since I've done both individually and neither of those worked |
| 03:28.03 | foo | abrotman: Otherwise, I'm just going to have them replace everything with a realtek board. It's just a pain |
| 03:28.13 | foo | And a day longer.. and I'm pressed for a release for this project... blah blah blah :P |
| 03:28.15 | abrotman | then just have them do it .. |
| 03:28.23 | foo | abrotman: alright, I'll do that. Thanks for your time. |
| 03:28.24 | abrotman | or ask them to send you the broken board and play with it :) |
| 03:28.30 | abrotman | foo: night night :) |
| 03:28.44 | foo | abrotman: Hehe, have a good one :) |
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| 03:34.57 | zeeble | heyas |
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| 03:36.47 | nhuisman_work | hey is bind the normal package to install for dhcp on debian? |
| 03:37.00 | nhuisman_work | noticed that they had some odd one in the virtual package "dhcp" |
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| 03:37.43 | Guerin | nhuisman_work: bind is *nothing* to do with dhcp |
| 03:37.58 | nhuisman_work | lol duh, it's dns |
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| 03:38.06 | nhuisman_work | got confused for a sec. |
| 03:38.33 | Guerin | nhuisman_work: i use bind. Other people use different things. |
| 03:38.59 | nhuisman_work | for dhcp do you use dhcp3 or dhcp |
| 03:39.11 | nhuisman_work | /etc/dhcpd.conf line 1: expecting a parameter or declaration. |
| 03:39.11 | nhuisman_work | ddns-update-style |
| 03:39.21 | nhuisman_work | I keep getting that error when I try using my dhcpd.conf from my gentoo box. |
| 03:39.44 | Guerin | nhuisman_work: i don't use dhcp |
| 03:39.51 | nhuisman_work | oh |
| 03:40.02 | Guerin | the only good network is a static network |
| 03:40.13 | nhuisman_work | yeah this is for guest stuff |
| 03:40.17 | Guerin | yeh |
| 03:40.17 | nhuisman_work | my servers are all static |
| 03:40.28 | Guerin | i assign guests a number |
| 03:40.56 | nhuisman_work | yeah there are random ports people can plug into around the building so a little hard. |
| 03:41.08 | Guerin | i admit, it doesn't scale well |
| 03:41.23 | nhuisman_work | if I was nazi i'd ask for their mac address then assign via that |
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| 03:42.10 | nhuisman_work | that's interesting that debian uses dhcp 2.x as the standard and not 3.x |
| 03:43.35 | owh | Greetings. User has a Debian Woody machine, ran apt-get install php4 on it, the sources say "stable" so hell broke loose. apt-get -f install installed a new version of libc. apt-get dist-upgrade wants to install php5, mysql6 etc. User would like to stay with php4 and mysql5 for the moment. Any suggestions? |
| 03:43.53 | itchi | nhuisman_work: Why do you say 'nazi'? |
| 03:44.03 | Guerin | owh: in future, don't be ambiguous in your sources.list |
| 03:44.13 | owh | Yeah, I'll say :) |
| 03:44.16 | nhuisman_work | it would just make users plugging in their laptops a pain, and they'd have to go through me. |
| 03:44.28 | owh | Guerin: Meanwhile, how do I fix it :) |
| 03:44.30 | Guerin | owh: and read the informational messages apt gives |
| 03:44.53 | nhuisman_work | i'd guess you can lock a package on a specific version |
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| 03:45.02 | nhuisman_work | i'm new to debian so I don't know how to do that |
| 03:45.03 | owh | Guerin: If I had been hitting the keys, then yes. I wasn't. I get to fix it :) |
| 03:45.03 | itchi | owh: Change s/stable/woody/ |
| 03:45.06 | Guerin | owh: you don't. Upgrade or restore from backup is the only solution. Unless the old versions of mysql and php are in etch. |
| 03:45.13 | Guerin | owh: lucky you! |
| 03:45.16 | Guerin | itchi: too late |
| 03:45.26 | owh | Guerin: No, the dist-upgrade didn't happen, just the -f install |
| 03:45.27 | itchi | Guerin: Yeah :-s |
| 03:45.39 | Guerin | owh: i know, but once you have libc, you're fucked. |
| 03:45.39 | itchi | owh: Anyway, in the future, make use of the release name |
| 03:45.48 | Guerin | there is no downgrade |
| 03:45.52 | Guerin | well |
| 03:46.03 | owh | There has not yet been a reboot. |
| 03:46.12 | Guerin | owh: irrevelant. |
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| 03:46.32 | Guerin | hm, that was an interesting almost-spoonerism |
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| 03:46.40 | owh | Guerin: I cannot update the source and do a dist-upgade? |
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| 03:47.25 | Guerin | owh: no, because an old version won't override a newer version, by default. You can make it do so using pinning, but so doing is Very Not Advised |
| 03:47.31 | Guerin | and also Very not SUpported |
| 03:47.35 | owh | :) |
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| 03:48.06 | owh | Tah. |
| 03:49.34 | itchi | Guerin: Teach me how to fish :-p |
| 03:49.39 | itchi | :-) |
| 03:49.57 | itchi | Realy, i can not do it |
| 03:50.01 | Guerin | itchi: impossible. |
| 03:50.20 | itchi | I did it once when i was kid, got only one heh |
| 03:50.41 | Guerin | every culture in the world has independently developed almost-identical fishing technology and practices |
| 03:50.52 | Guerin | it's quite literally human nature |
| 03:51.07 | itchi | Guerin: Yeah, i not have the stuff to fish hehe |
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| 03:51.41 | nhuisman_work | is update-rc.d the best tool to deal with services in debian? |
| 03:51.46 | Guerin | !services |
| 03:51.47 | dpkg | i guess services is to view and alter system services, use one or more of rcconf, sysvconfig, sysv-rc-conf, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/, or /etc/services a port numbers list, or http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers |
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| 03:51.58 | Guerin | lunaphyte: you live in the desert, what's the point? |
| 03:52.03 | Guerin | litage: ↑ |
| 03:52.06 | nhuisman_work | thx |
| 03:52.07 | Guerin | BAH |
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| 03:52.13 | Guerin | liable: ↑ |
| 03:52.17 | litage | Guerin: humbug? |
| 03:52.26 | liable | Guerin: who dais i live in the desert? |
| 03:52.31 | liable | said |
| 03:52.35 | liable | holy shit |
| 03:52.43 | Guerin | litage: you live in WA, all of WA is a desert, therefore you live in a desert |
| 03:52.49 | liable | was that classic dyslexia or what! |
| 03:52.53 | Guerin | as far as I'm aware ;) |
| 03:53.04 | liable | Guerin: its l-i-a-b-l-e |
| 03:53.15 | litage | Guerin: heh |
| 03:53.15 | liable | Guerin: i can see a river from my backyard :) |
| 03:53.17 | Guerin | stupid tab key |
| 03:53.21 | litage | Guerin: actually, i live in The Gold Coast |
| 03:53.26 | Guerin | only pushes itself once when I tell it to do twice |
| 03:53.34 | mcvenn_ | need help to setup wordpress. when i run the msysql-setup script, i get: "ln: creating symbolic link `/srv/www/wlaoye.no-ip.biz' to `/usr/share/wordpress': No such file or directory". there really isn't any /srv/www. ? |
| 03:53.37 | Guerin | litage: sorry |
| 03:53.46 | Guerin | litage: you have good fishing there, for real |
| 03:53.53 | mcvenn_ | mysql-setup script |
| 03:54.03 | litage | Guerin: 'fraid i'm not a fisher. i think it's cruel =P |
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| 03:54.12 | Guerin | litage: you have my condolences. |
| 03:54.17 | litage | hahhah |
| 03:54.21 | itchi | mcvenn_: /var/www/ ?? |
| 03:54.24 | litage | Guerin: we have good weather here. and meter maids |
| 03:54.34 | Guerin | litage: in gold bikinis ... i remember |
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| 03:54.57 | mcvenn_ | itchi: no, it is looking for /srv/www. there is a /srv. |
| 03:54.57 | liable | didn't they get rid of the meter maids? |
| 03:55.27 | itchi | mcvenn_: That's not a debian package? |
| 03:55.35 | litage | liable: nope. saw'em just last week |
| 03:55.42 | liable | litage: oh, cool |
| 03:56.08 | mcvenn_ | itchi: its a debian package. wordpress, in 'testing'. |
| 03:56.11 | litage | Guerin: where're you located? |
| 03:56.32 | nhuisman_work | anyone know what the facility name for dhcp server is in syslog ? |
| 03:56.56 | jotavo | hi,i am having trouble installing an HBA in debian, the hba is an Emulex Fibre host channel |
| 03:57.18 | nhuisman_work | trying the split the log off into it's own file |
| 03:57.32 | jotavo | i am trying to access to the san but i dont know how |
| 03:57.58 | jotavo | some friends told me that i just had to mount it |
| 03:58.11 | jotavo | but i dont see the devices y /dev |
| 03:58.15 | jotavo | in |
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| 03:58.31 | mcvenn_ | no help to setup wordpress? |
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| 03:58.59 | itchi | mcvenn_: From where do you get that error ? |
| 03:59.31 | mcvenn_ | itchi: when i exec the mysql-setup script. |
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| 04:00.11 | mackss | hello, i was having trouble upgrading my etch. Please help. http://pastebin.ca/494239 |
| 04:00.16 | owh | Is there a way that I can keep PHP4 and MYSQL5 whilst doing a dist-upgrade? |
| 04:00.47 | cafuego | owh: Sure, just keep in mind etch uses php 4.4.4 and not 4.3.10 |
| 04:00.54 | owh | That is, not update to PHP5 and MYSQL 6. |
| 04:01.11 | owh | cafuego: I understand. I'm happy with that. How do I do it? |
| 04:01.19 | cafuego | owh: Oh, I see. Well, don't run non-stable production machines. |
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| 04:01.46 | jraasch | hey all, can someone help me setup a wireless bridge? |
| 04:01.58 | owh | cafuego: :) If I could I would. |
| 04:02.12 | itchi | mcvenn_: The file /usr/share/doc/wordpress/examples/setup-mysql ? |
| 04:02.28 | mcvenn_ | itchi: yeah |
| 04:02.44 | mackss | I am getting a kernel error. Can someone please help :-/ |
| 04:02.46 | nhuisman_work | cafuego, so you would only have "etch stable" after your source line? |
| 04:02.54 | itchi | mcvenn_: That's an example heh, edit line 74 |
| 04:02.57 | nhuisman_work | i just realized mine had deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 04:03.12 | nhuisman_work | deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free |
| 04:03.14 | itchi | mcvenn_: And maybe some other things too |
| 04:03.15 | nhuisman_work | and that for security updates |
| 04:03.21 | jraasch | I have eth0 as the NIC which is hooked up to a workgroup switch and then I have eth1 as the wireless card which is connected to a access point in another building. |
| 04:03.23 | owh | nhuisman_work: Mine had "stable" rather than "etch", lots of fun :( |
| 04:03.45 | mcvenn_ | itchi: ok, so i need to edit it. thks. |
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| 04:03.55 | itchi | mcvenn_: Line 75 too |
| 04:04.07 | mcvenn_ | itchi: ok |
| 04:04.13 | itchi | mcvenn_: I dunno, i not yet have read the docs :-p |
| 04:04.19 | owh | So, is there a way that I can stay with PHP 4.x, rather than PHP 5.x which happens if I try to dist-upgrade? |
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| 04:04.32 | mcvenn_ | itchi: thks, anyway. |
| 04:04.37 | jraasch | I have used the route command to add the default gateway and then used iptables to add a POSTROUTING entry to the nat table... I was hoping someone could help figure out why this isn't working |
| 04:04.54 | itchi | mcvenn_: But look in that whole script heh line 98 too for example. I gona purge that package now :-p |
| 04:05.32 | mcvenn_ | :D |
| 04:05.37 | amphi | jraasch: you have echo'd 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward ? |
| 04:05.51 | jraasch | amphi: yes I did that too |
| 04:06.43 | jotavo | what do i need to setup a san in a debian system |
| 04:07.34 | mackss | can someone help me with /etc/kernel-img/conf? |
| 04:07.50 | itchi | mackss: Just ask |
| 04:08.04 | mackss | itchi, i tried 2x already :-/ |
| 04:08.28 | jraasch | mackss, he means what do you need help with |
| 04:08.33 | mackss | itchi, apt is telling me i need to update it but i am not sure what needs to be changed. http://pastebin.ca/494239 |
| 04:08.54 | owh | Is the deafening silence an indication of the "NO" answer? (So, is there a way that I can stay with PHP 4.x, rather than PHP 5.x which happens if I try to dist-upgrade?) |
| 04:08.54 | nhuisman_work | what are the suggested sources to use for a debian production server? |
| 04:08.55 | mackss | (there is a log of the output) |
| 04:09.33 | itchi | mackss: The path have changed |
| 04:09.39 | itchi | mackss: You shouldn't call /sbin/update-grub. Please call /usr/sbin/update-grub instead! |
| 04:09.47 | owh | nhuisman_work: I'd be interested in the answer to that too. |
| 04:09.57 | mackss | itchi, do i change that in /etc/kernel-img.conf? |
| 04:10.07 | mcvenn_ | itchi: actually i was running this command: 'bash setup-mysql -n wordpress blog.example.com', which i obtain when i run mysql-setup. |
| 04:10.16 | nhuisman_work | i guess etch is stable, so you can lock yourself to that eh |
| 04:10.31 | mcvenn_ | instead of blog.example.com, i use my url. |
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| 04:11.27 | mackss | itchi, http://pastebin.ca/494253 is my /etc/kernel-img.conf. Should i change the 2 bottom lines to "/usr/sbin/update-grub"? |
| 04:11.32 | itchi | mackss: To be sure, take a look in /etc/kernel-img.conf |
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| 04:11.48 | \amethyst | mackss: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=421321 |
| 04:11.59 | en1gma | what can i do with a window air conditioner and my computer case? |
| 04:12.07 | mackss | itchi, i did, i sent you the output of my conf |
| 04:12.14 | mackss | (iin the last link) |
| 04:12.36 | owh | en1gma: SuperGlue or Silicone filler come to mind. |
| 04:12.42 | en1gma | :) |
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| 04:12.53 | itchi | mackss: Yup, i have see, it, i'm need to read that bug report quickly too. But so to see, you need to update that config file. But not trust me on it |
| 04:12.58 | en1gma | for real. anyone know any sites that i can mod my case |
| 04:13.36 | en1gma | i have a small window unit airconditioner i can play with...i been googling with no luck for last 1/2 hour |
| 04:13.36 | mackss | itchi, is there someone else here who would know with more confidence? |
| 04:14.05 | itchi | mackss: Ask \amethyst he showed you the bug |
| 04:14.33 | \amethyst | mackss: yes, that should be sufficient |
| 04:14.38 | mackss | \amethyst, should i just change the bottom lines in /etc/kernel-img.conf to "/usr/sbin/update-grub"? here is my current conf http://pastebin.ca/494253 |
| 04:15.11 | \amethyst | mackss: the latest grub in unstable removes the warning, but yes, that's the proper fix |
| 04:15.34 | mackss | \amethyst, thank you |
| 04:15.49 | mackss | \amethyst, is there anyway i can do something to make sure i fixed it before i restart? |
| 04:16.40 | itchi | mackss: I may guess that the 'problem' may happend in the future, if you install a newer kernel |
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| 04:17.06 | \amethyst | itchi: not if one updates kernel-img.conf |
| 04:17.15 | mackss | itchi, i don't understand what you mean :-/ |
| 04:17.17 | itchi | \amethyst: Yeah, sure |
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| 04:18.05 | itchi | mackss: I mean that you may get some troubles when you install a newer kernel now, if you not update that /etc/kernel-img.conf or if the package is not yet fixed before you install a decenter kernel |
| 04:18.46 | mackss | oh ok |
| 04:18.48 | \amethyst | mackss: you could run /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-$(uname -r).postinst configure |
| 04:18.54 | mackss | itchi, thanks |
| 04:19.09 | mackss | \amethyst, that looks very complex for me...:-/ |
| 04:19.10 | \amethyst | mackss: that will repeat the step that gave you the warning before |
| 04:19.16 | nhuisman_work | how can I get a list of installed packages on my box? |
| 04:19.30 | \amethyst | mackss: just type that (starting from /var up to configure) at the command line |
| 04:19.31 | mackss | \amethyst, do you think it's just safe for me to reboot? |
| 04:19.32 | itchi | nhuisman_work: dpkg -l |
| 04:19.32 | \amethyst | as root |
| 04:19.43 | nhuisman_work | thx |
| 04:20.05 | itchi | nhuisman_work: Then do whatever on that output, filter it |
| 04:20.06 | \amethyst | mackss: I think so, because if I'm not mistaken the /sbin/update-grub does call /usr/sbin/update-grub after printing the warning |
| 04:20.27 | mackss | ok |
| 04:20.36 | itchi | nhuisman_work: Probably you want somethings like dpkg -l | grep ^ii |
| 04:20.42 | mackss | \amethyst, restart is the proper command right? |
| 04:20.45 | mackss | or shutdown -r |
| 04:21.06 | \amethyst | mackss: reboot or shutdown -r now |
| 04:21.33 | zeeble | anyone having problems running pidgin? |
| 04:21.53 | zeeble | crap .. it connects and dumps |
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| 04:22.27 | itchi | nhuisman_work: What want you to do with that output? |
| 04:22.51 | nhuisman_work | i was just curious what got installed |
| 04:23.00 | nhuisman_work | with the debian boot strap |
| 04:23.00 | itchi | oh ok :-p |
| 04:23.44 | nhuisman_work | what is "rc" |
| 04:23.47 | nhuisman_work | in that list |
| 04:23.51 | nhuisman_work | vs "ii" |
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| 04:24.48 | \amethyst | nhuisman_work: removed but unpurged package |
| 04:24.55 | cocoaus | can anyone tell me if the nvidia driver in the sid repos is still broken or nto? |
| 04:24.59 | nhuisman_work | ah |
| 04:25.01 | nhuisman_work | good |
| 04:25.07 | nhuisman_work | was wondering why a deleted package was in there. |
| 04:25.21 | \amethyst | nhuisman_work: r in first column means it's marked as "remove", and c in second column means "only conffiles installed" |
| 04:25.34 | mackss | yay it booted! |
| 04:25.43 | mackss | thanks \amethyst and itchi |
| 04:25.46 | Acu | Is Cinelerra installable in Debian Etch ? |
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| 04:26.15 | itchi | nhuisman_work: You may need to look to the header of the output of dpkg -l. Try dpkg -l | less |
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| 04:26.58 | nhuisman_work | there we go, purged those mofos |
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| 04:32.08 | nhuisman_work | so I have a question: say I have a raid box with an lvm created volume. Now I export this volume with iscsi or gnbd to a remote box. Now I run a virtual machine on this exported iscsi block device. If I get a read error inside my virtual machine, does that error propogate to the raid controller and mark the array as degraded? |
| 04:32.08 | unlink | what's a good webmail program? |
| 04:32.18 | nhuisman_work | sort of not debian related, but figured i'd ask if anyone knew. |
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| 04:34.08 | bwlang | unlink: horde + imp |
| 04:34.08 | zeeble | unlink: squirrelmail. imp. |
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| 04:34.34 | unlink | what's imp? |
| 04:34.42 | nhuisman_work | imap |
| 04:34.45 | unlink | oh |
| 04:34.50 | nhuisman_work | i'd guess |
| 04:34.53 | bwlang | unlink: google is your friend |
| 04:34.58 | bwlang | imp != imap |
| 04:35.02 | nhuisman_work | ok, nm |
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| 04:35.14 | nhuisman_work | what is imp? |
| 04:35.22 | nhuisman_work | another webmail? |
| 04:35.23 | zeeble | head over to horde.org and take a look. |
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| 04:35.27 | zeeble | yes, nhuisman_work |
| 04:35.35 | pepse | dude imp sucks |
| 04:35.36 | pepse | so does squirrelmail |
| 04:35.38 | pepse | use RoundCube |
| 04:35.40 | unlink | i forgot the constraint, it must be lightweight |
| 04:35.42 | pepse | Roundcube > * |
| 04:36.03 | pepse | roundcube rocks your socks |
| 04:36.13 | zeeble | bst as in? it looks good? that's the only parameter? |
| 04:36.39 | pepse | Even the older crippled debian package of roundcube rocks |
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| 04:37.38 | xarquid | so, general question - not "up to date" on current programming books...but a friend wanted to get involved in open source/programming basics (he's an intermediate linux admin of afew servers) -- any book recommendations or where should I point him? :) |
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| 04:38.13 | xarquid | already made him buy the o'rielly perl book and the o'r* kernel book ;) |
| 04:38.54 | pepse | There's an old C programming book that is still really good.. |
| 04:39.05 | pepse | I think it's either called The C Programming Bible or just Learn C Programming |
| 04:39.08 | unlink | why would you want to learn C? |
| 04:39.14 | zeeble | lol |
| 04:39.23 | unlink | they have programming languages now |
| 04:39.38 | pepse | C is a programming language. Perl is not a programming language. |
| 04:39.59 | unlink | just because the book calls it a programming language doesn't make it useful for programming |
| 04:40.01 | xarquid | I think I told him to get ANSI C (that's what I learned from) |
| 04:40.10 | peterS | unlink: the reason to learn C is to be able to contribute to open source software. that was the question here, right? a great deal of free software is in C |
| 04:40.17 | xarquid | He already basically knows the web development things, so told him to look for java books to |
| 04:40.21 | zeeble | Programming in ANSI C by Kernighan and Ritchie |
| 04:40.30 | pepse | zeeble: I think that's the one |
| 04:40.33 | xarquid | Just wondering if anyone has any specific recommendations they always use or did use to initially learn themselves :) |
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| 04:40.47 | pepse | I learned .NET stuff by reading msdn2.microsoft.com :D |
| 04:40.50 | xarquid | yep, zeeble, he got that. That's one of my oldies but goodies. |
| 04:40.52 | zeeble | and then, Expert C programming, Deep C secrets by van den linden |
| 04:41.12 | unlink | peterS: that too |
| 04:41.17 | nhuisman_work | gl with .net in open source... |
| 04:41.23 | zeeble | and the standard C library book by plauger |
| 04:41.26 | zeeble | 3 books for C |
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| 04:41.56 | xarquid | peterS: Aye, but I mean -- learning programming in general is good also. So anything of the subject of programing will work fine with him. I just want to broden his knowledge on what he can make his system do for HIM and am not up to date on books |
| 04:42.03 | peterS | "Deep C Secrets" - why didn't they just call it "Deep C Diving" |
| 04:42.16 | xarquid | lol |
| 04:42.19 | xarquid | would have been awesome |
| 04:42.23 | zeeble | haha. its a good book, fwiw |
| 04:42.39 | pepse | I would say besides the fact that it's not OOP, C is a good language to get programming experience in |
| 04:43.01 | pepse | the new languages make you lazy (Java, C#, etc) |
| 04:43.02 | peterS | xarquid: frankly if you haven't done much programming before, you want to start with perl or python, depending on the preferences of the people around you that you'd be asking questions of |
| 04:43.19 | xarquid | Aye, as well as web languages. While now a days CSS has taken over, it's still good to know a little HTML ;) JavaScript is a must as well for the web. And PHP/ASP etc. |
| 04:43.38 | xarquid | peterS: Familiar with both here, and he'll be asking me |
| 04:43.43 | xarquid | But I know what you mean :) |
| 04:43.45 | zeeble | xarquid: there's a book called beginning linux programming by neil mathew and stone.. its alright. introduces a few languages, and its followup - advanved linux programming |
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| 04:44.02 | peterS | xarquid: so I'd be looking for books on one of those languages, rather than books on C, at least to start |
| 04:44.13 | xarquid | Any newish newb Perl or Python books I can make him get? He's using my gift card lol |
| 04:44.34 | zeeble | umm, learning python from the oreilly books |
| 04:44.43 | xarquid | I would go for Learning Perl, Fourth Edition but mine is first edition. Not up to date as I said ;) |
| 04:44.55 | peterS | can't go wrong with "Learning Perl" if you need to start slow, or "Programming Perl" if you think you can take it heavier |
| 04:45.01 | xarquid | Ah, so OReily still tops the shelves? |
| 04:45.04 | zeeble | what do you think he will do with perl? |
| 04:45.18 | xarquid | Anything he can come up with :) |
| 04:45.22 | zeeble | ok |
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| 04:45.25 | peterS | yes, O'Reilly retains their reputation for useful books (: |
| 04:45.26 | xarquid | He loves debugging though, or trying to |
| 04:45.43 | zeeble | perl is a bad language to start debugging ;p |
| 04:45.56 | xarquid | yeah, but he can learn that way |
| 04:45.59 | zeeble | but yeah, the learning perl/python series from ORA is tops |
| 04:46.03 | xarquid | C is good for debugging ;) |
| 04:46.35 | zeeble | i need to buy the programming perl book again.. mine's a old edn and torn |
| 04:47.05 | xarquid | same here |
| 04:47.07 | xarquid | bah |
| 04:47.20 | xarquid | amazon has a very good price it seems at the moment, a lot better than local bookstore that's for sure |
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| 04:47.54 | xarquid | for linux in general and open sourrce -- i told him to get the cath. and the bazaar / the linus book a few years back from the library. didn't know what to tell him about programming overall |
| 04:48.16 | xarquid | then of course, the huge OR* book about the linus kernel and tcp/ip |
| 04:48.22 | zeeble | i still think the beginning linux programming/advanced linux programming by neil matthew and stones is a decent book |
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| 04:48.31 | xarquid | it is |
| 04:48.37 | xarquid | very readable |
| 04:48.49 | zeeble | yes.but it doesnt go deep into anything. |
| 04:49.05 | zeeble | anyway, am off. need sleep. |
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| 04:51.38 | xarquid | anymore recommendations before he hits submit? i think he has $40 bucks left to spend (he's getting used stuff!) :) |
| 04:51.59 | infernal_jesus | xarquid: I recommend that you.. umm |
| 04:52.00 | infernal_jesus | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:52.05 | xarquid | lol |
| 04:52.07 | jetscreamer | send it to me via paypal |
| 04:52.20 | xarquid | it's a gift card :P |
| 04:52.26 | infernal_jesus | VIA MAIL! |
| 04:52.38 | jetscreamer | smail |
| 04:52.47 | xarquid | hahaha |
| 04:53.10 | jetscreamer | memory |
| 04:53.23 | jetscreamer | always a + |
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| 04:56.26 | CartoonCat | hellos |
| 04:56.50 | CartoonCat | Making sure, on debian the only way ot get cups is via tarball, yes? |
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| 04:57.26 | Amarande | CartoonCat, it's in etch |
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| 04:57.33 | stew | CartoonCat: apt-cache search cupsys |
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| 04:58.16 | CartoonCat | cupsys ah, i did look for cups* and only found 2 listings |
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| 04:58.56 | CartoonCat | ty ty stew |
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| 05:02.51 | Pons | guys, how could i have a better management of ssh access, for example, not allowing some users to login from outside, but only from the lan for example |
| 05:04.04 | LeFallen | Pons: You could do that in your firewall |
| 05:04.20 | Pons | some users, but not all |
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| 05:04.40 | LeFallen | Pons: Ahh, sorry didn't see that bit :P |
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| 05:04.52 | Pons | that might be an answer to you reply.. a firewall won't know which user is logging in |
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| 05:12.39 | CartoonCat | stew, happen to know what cups-devel is called? |
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| 05:13.44 | CartoonCat | or is that what Amarande was getting at, its only in etch |
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| 05:15.38 | stew | CartoonCat: what would be foo-devel in redhat is often libcups*-dev in debian: apt-cache search libcups dev |
| 05:16.10 | CartoonCat | libcups, ah, i looked for cups-dev |
| 05:17.07 | CartoonCat | libcupsys-dev, oy! |
| 05:17.35 | CartoonCat | how hard could it be for hplip to know that? |
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| 05:39.01 | foo | uh, I got this: Message from syslogd@localhost at Thu May 17 22:08:52 2007 and this: localhost kernel: journal commit I/O error |
| 05:39.04 | foo | ... any ideas? |
| 05:39.15 | tenzind | hi .. which gnome theme comes by default with the gnome-desktop-environment and in which debian package does it come? |
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| 05:46.08 | mcvenn | i can run the command 'rsync -arv --exclude-from=/myrsync/exclude_file.txt a.b.c.d:/ /mnt' fr a shell without problem. but when i try to run it within a script, i get: 'error with a.b.c.d:/. Directory either does not exist, or you do not have proper permissions.' What is wrong? |
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| 05:47.19 | mcvenn | has everyone gone to sleep? |
| 05:47.43 | ApEtc | That seems possible |
| 05:47.56 | mcvenn | ah, but not you. |
| 05:47.56 | Crypticfortune_ | ok, so one of the other admins in my lab did an apt-get upgrade on our mail server and broke ssl support for qmail. for now it seems like reverting stunnel to an earlier version will probably fix it. any easy way to tell what version of stunnel was there before he upgraded it? |
| 05:48.06 | Agrajag- | mcvenn: wild guess - perhaps the directory either does not exist, or you do not have proper permissions. |
| 05:48.14 | foo | -/w 34 |
| 05:48.29 | mcvenn | Agrajag-: as i said, it is ok when run fr a shell. |
| 05:48.52 | dondelelcaro | Crypticfortune_: look at the dpkg.log if it exists, or the apt-get log if that exists or the output of apt-get when it was run |
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| 05:52.01 | Crypticfortune_ | dondelelcaro: thanks. i think i found what im looking for in dpkg.log (btw, what does -dfsg-1 mean?) |
| 05:55.14 | dondelelcaro | Crypticfortune_: that's just a version number |
| 05:56.17 | Crypticfortune_ | dondelelcaro: ya, but i figured dfsg was some sort of acronym (not being very number-like and all) |
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| 05:57.03 | Crypticfortune_ | ahh, probably "Debian Free Software Group" (ie: the debian home-brew version?) |
| 05:57.49 | Crypticfortune_ | alternatively "Diabetic Foot Study Group" but i'm guessing "Debian Free Software Group" is more likely =p |
| 05:58.05 | dondelelcaro | no, dsfg means Debian Free Software Guidelines |
| 05:58.27 | dondelelcaro | s/dsfg/dfsg/ |
| 05:59.22 | Crypticfortune_ | errr yes, i meant guidelines, not group. |
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| 06:12.27 | Amarande | hmm, something odd just happened on etch |
| 06:12.34 | Amarande | and I'm trying to figure out if I should expect something to be broken now :| |
| 06:12.57 | Amarande | specifically, when I went to install updates via the GNOME based update tool, after the updates finished, there remained an icon saying a package manager was working. |
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| 06:13.06 | Amarande | I logged out, and hit restart computer from the gdm menu |
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| 06:13.43 | Amarande | and when it tried to shut down, it froze trying to unmount /dev/hda6 saying "inodes busy, self destruct in 5 seconds" and that was that, I had to hit the reset button |
| 06:14.02 | Amarande | I'm wondering if I should expect anything to be corrupted, especially system important things. |
| 06:14.51 | touch | Can someone recommend me a good guide to read for installing off the minmal cd? |
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| 06:15.04 | touch | I can't seem to find a good one. |
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| 06:31.42 | foo | Anyone had any issues with etch? It's really not giving me the rock solid performance that debian boasts... speaking from issues between 4 debian systems going from sarge to etch. It's enough to make me switch distros... is anyone else having bad luck or is it just me? |
| 06:33.00 | dondelelcaro | foo: unless you've seen bugs filed duplicating your issue, it's probably just you. |
| 06:33.12 | dondelelcaro | foo: it'd also help if you were more specific about the issues that you've seen. |
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| 06:36.52 | bubux | question: if i install openssh server on debian sftp server will be installed also? |
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| 06:37.22 | rashidz123 | how do i extract .tar.bz2 file? |
| 06:37.41 | \amethyst | bubux: yes |
| 06:37.41 | foo | dondelelcaro: Thanks, I was thinking about highlighting your nick ... because I respect anything you say. Hm, the issues vary... from issues with the realtek NIC card (figured this out after trying 3 systems, completely different hardware, different NIC cards, even a 1gbit NIC card)... an issue with a Via chipset NIC card... modules loaded, sometimes it'd work, sometimes it didn't ... very random, I have yet to explain it, nothing on ... |
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| 06:37.48 | foo | ... Google. noapic and noapci=off for kernel boot perameters fixed the realtek issue. The third issue, which is my filesystem going into read only... nothing in the logs about a bad hard drive, but filesystem went read only, any commands produce an Input/Output error ... we swapped all hardware except hard drive... same issues, yet again ... I know the issue with the realtek NIC card is factual, the issue with Via NIC card started when I ... |
| 06:37.48 | dondelelcaro | rashidz123: tar jxf foo.tar.bz2 |
| 06:37.51 | dondelelcaro | rashidz123: man tar |
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| 06:37.54 | foo | ... upraded from sarge -> etch, and the filesystem issue ... I guess could be a bad hard drive... but I also so hard drive errors on another system ... so, either I have 4 bad systems... or it's debian... and I really doubt the latter, because I know Debian boasts rock solid stuff. Any input appreciated, as always. |
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| 06:38.23 | bubux | thanks \amethyst |
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| 06:38.44 | dondelelcaro | foo: those all sound like kernel issues; unfortunatly if no one used the kernel we released with on your hardware, they wouldn't have been reported. |
| 06:38.54 | foo | dondelelcaro: I see |
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| 06:39.24 | foo | dondelelcaro: I've had issues on two different types of hardware. *thinks* So, they are kernel related... you think that could be the cause, eh? |
| 06:39.36 | rashidz123 | dondelelcaro, i pasted the error in flood |
| 06:39.37 | dondelelcaro | foo: you can just boot off the kernel that you were using previously to see if they go away; as far as remounting ro goes, that happens automatically when errors are detected. If you're getting IO errors, that's why. |
| 06:39.42 | foo | dondelelcaro: To my understand, I basically have 2 different types of motherboard that I am using |
| 06:39.46 | dondelelcaro | rashidz123: you need to install bzip2 |
| 06:39.52 | rashidz123 | ok |
| 06:39.57 | foo | dondelelcaro: The filesystem went into read only while a server was in production |
| 06:40.06 | dondelelcaro | foo: yerp; it'll do that. |
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| 06:40.23 | dondelelcaro | foo: the idea is to go into read only to avoid totally destroying the disk. |
| 06:40.31 | bubux | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:40.43 | dondelelcaro | foo: if you'd prefer a screwed up filesystem, you can change fstab so that it doesn't remount ro on errors. |
| 06:40.52 | foo | dondelelcaro: I see. The old kernel would be 2.6.8 ... the sarge one. |
| 06:40.58 | genii | Would like to know if anyone has installed to an Asus motherboard mode KFN4-D16/SAS with 2 Opteron 8222 SE yet. Considering this for purchase as a server but would like to know about any issues first (other than the Broadcom nic onboard) |
| 06:41.01 | foo | dondelelcaro: What's weird (I think) is that I didn't see anything in the logs |
| 06:41.11 | eisen | I witnessed sudden ro remounts too, on different disks that are perfectly healthy |
| 06:41.30 | eisen | all happened under high load |
| 06:41.36 | foo | eisen: Interesting. |
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| 06:42.03 | bubux | guys plz help me.. considering ssh. how can i download a file from ssh-server to ssh-client machine? what's the command for that? |
| 06:42.03 | eisen | it's not nice when it happens |
| 06:42.05 | \amethyst | nothing in dmesg about it? |
| 06:42.06 | foo | eisen: Any issues with the NIC card? |
| 06:42.09 | foo | eisen: Definitely. |
| 06:42.12 | eisen | no |
| 06:42.12 | \amethyst | foo: nothing in dmesg about it? |
| 06:42.17 | foo | \amethyst: hm, let me check dmesg.0 |
| 06:42.23 | foo | \amethyst: I didn't see anything in messages or syslog |
| 06:42.27 | dondelelcaro | foo: the realtek nic is just a piece of crap though, so it's not surprising that you're having issues with it |
| 06:42.34 | eisen | there is nothing about it in dmesg |
| 06:42.39 | foo | \amethyst: Nothing |
| 06:42.41 | owh | My sources list currently has stable in it, can I change all references from stable to etch, that is, ftp, non-us, src and security? |
| 06:42.43 | eisen | it just happens |
| 06:42.50 | \amethyst | foo, eisen: what filesystem? |
| 06:42.54 | eisen | ext3 |
| 06:42.54 | foo | \amethyst: ext3 |
| 06:43.23 | foo | dondelelcaro: Hm, I've been told that as well ... but I doubt I'd have such issues. Is it really that bad? I know it's cheap, but it's supported... and I've never had any other issues with it |
| 06:43.27 | foo | h |
| 06:43.30 | foo | m |
| 06:43.34 | dondelelcaro | foo: yes, it's really that bad, unfortunatly. |
| 06:43.46 | dondelelcaro | foo: you can spend $10 more and get a reasonable card |
| 06:43.58 | eisen | a rather sure way to trigger it is to access a local samba share from a running vmware session and put some stress on it |
| 06:44.18 | owh | Anyone? |
| 06:44.20 | foo | dondelelcaro: heh, tell me about it. Not my choice, but I'll push for that. |
| 06:44.25 | foo | eisen: interesting, so you can actually regenerate the problem |
| 06:44.33 | eisen | well, sort of |
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| 06:44.42 | eisen | it may run for days without a prob |
| 06:45.25 | eisen | what bugs me more is the inability of device mapper to handle crypt containers stored on an ext3 partition :/ |
| 06:45.41 | eisen | that will just freeze the box |
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| 06:46.01 | eisen | something is fishy for me with later kernels |
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| 06:47.28 | foo | eisen: I see |
| 06:47.53 | eisen | the sudden remounts are elusive. I did not find anything with teh google |
| 06:48.18 | genii | Would like to know if anyone has installed to an Asus motherboard mode KFN4-D16/SAS with 2 Opteron 8222 SE yet. Considering this for purchase as a server but would like to know about any issues first (other than the Broadcom nic onboard) |
| 06:48.36 | genii | Or any system with these procesors, even |
| 06:48.51 | markybob | naming chipsets would be much more productive |
| 06:49.03 | foo | dondelelcaro: What NIC cards do you like? Intel, eh? |
| 06:49.11 | eisen | so the general consesus is that it is caused by the nic? |
| 06:49.29 | genii | markybob Hangon I'll find the particulars |
| 06:49.35 | foo | eisen: The filesystem going read only? That's more kernel related, I think. I was having some other issues |
| 06:49.50 | eisen | ah, ok, I missed that part then |
| 06:49.56 | genii | nVIDIA nForce 2000 Professional chipset |
| 06:50.01 | bubux | is there a graphical client for SFTP on debian? |
| 06:50.10 | genii | ^ markybob |
| 06:50.12 | markybob | genii: that's supported just fine |
| 06:50.30 | foo | bubux: I like lftp |
| 06:50.37 | genii | markybob OK, thanks |
| 06:51.40 | dondelelcaro | foo: intel, 3com, even netgear cards are better |
| 06:51.53 | bubux | foo: thax foo but i wanted a graphical interface =) |
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| 06:52.43 | eisen | konqueror and nautilus can handle sftp nicely I think |
| 06:53.05 | eisen | just fish://user@host in konqueror or ssh://user@host in nautilus |
| 06:54.17 | Avochelm | you'll be free, hacker, you'll be freee-eee-eee! |
| 06:54.24 | eisen | requires just ssh |
| 06:54.24 | bubux | my beloved filezilla suports sftp! cool! |
| 06:54.35 | genii | markybob Any idea on the SMP for the socket F opterons at all? |
| 06:55.06 | markybob | genii: just fine |
| 06:55.45 | genii | markybob Great. thanks again |
| 06:55.48 | markybob | np |
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| 07:09.31 | revil | hallo!! on my system I have mplayer installed, however mencoder is nodt av ilable and can't find a package for it alone, neither in internet nor in my aptitude list.. Sholdn't it come along with mplayer? |
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| 07:09.48 | peterS | revil: I think mencoder was omitted from the debian package due to patent issues - encoding video is covered by a lot more patents than playing video |
| 07:11.19 | eisen | revil: pull from debian-multimedia.org |
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| 07:13.43 | roland_ | hi i think i have a dns problem , can anyone please check on assa-electronic.ro domain ? |
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| 07:16.39 | peterS | roland_: Host assa-electronic.ro.site not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) |
| 07:16.51 | peterS | errrr, without the .site |
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| 07:18.56 | revil | thanks guys!! so I should ignore the warnings advising me not to trust the "insecure" package source, shouldn't I? |
| 07:20.28 | peterS | if you want to automatically trust packages coming from the debian-multimedia.org server, you can install their archive key: apt-get install debian-multimedia-keyring |
| 07:20.52 | peterS | but that assumes you believe the maintainer of debian-multimedia.org, and its infrastructure, are trustworthy and will not desire to root your box |
| 07:21.19 | peterS | this is the old "don't run random stuff you downloaded off the internet" warning |
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| 07:26.53 | roland_ | peterS: does that mean that my domain and nameserver information is not done propagating ? |
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| 07:28.53 | peterS | roland_: hmmm, one of the .ro root servers thinks your name server is "dns.assa-electronic.ro" at 89.137.108.222 - does that sound right? |
| 07:29.16 | roland_ | that is the right server |
| 07:29.20 | roland_ | its the ip of a modem connected to a router |
| 07:29.31 | roland_ | and the router forwards dns queries to my internal lan server with private ip |
| 07:29.45 | roland_ | 192.168.0.8 |
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| 07:30.21 | sanmarcos | whats a good brand for a gigabit ethernet pci card? |
| 07:30.24 | silensius | Hi , where can i found how-to about installing debian etch in raid 1 from install cd ? |
| 07:30.30 | peterS | roland_: ok, 89.137.108.222 is refusing DNS queries from me. that can't be good. |
| 07:30.45 | roland_ | wtf :( |
| 07:30.52 | markybob | !ig |
| 07:30.53 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 07:31.05 | roland_ | i setup port forwarding tcp/53 udp/53 to my internal host |
| 07:31.18 | roland_ | let me check |
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| 07:31.47 | wols | sanmarcos: intel |
| 07:32.17 | peterS | roland_: http://paste.debian.net/28233 |
| 07:32.30 | sanmarcos | wols, it should work out of the box with deb? |
| 07:33.29 | wols | yes |
| 07:33.33 | roland_ | peterS: cant this be because i sent yesterday webform to my roTLD for changing nameserver data but the propagation may not be done in their side ? |
| 07:33.40 | roland_ | or its ok but something is borked on my side |
| 07:34.11 | foo | dondelelcaro: Hm, ok, so - it is definitely a kernel issue. Looks like there is only 1 kernel in the debian repository... what way would you recommend downgrading the kernel, to, say, 2.6.15 ? (That's what ubuntu has and I haven't had any issues, at all) ... without rebuilding it from source? |
| 07:34.35 | peterS | roland_: well, the past I just sent you shows the command 'dig @89.137.108.222 ns assa-electronic.ro.' - which asks that IP address _directly_ for information |
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| 07:35.54 | genii | !pigdin |
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| 07:35.57 | sanmarcos | wols, seems good to me |
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| 07:37.21 | roland_ | peterS: what should have been listed there ? |
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| 07:37.25 | roland_ | and its missing |
| 07:37.26 | foo | How can I get a kernel newer than sarge (2.6.8) but older than etch (maybe, 2.6.15) on debian without building from source? Or even a newer kernel ... I've had several problems with the default debian kernel on etch. |
| 07:38.40 | peterS | roland_: I just tried all 8 roTLD servers, they all agree, your nameserver should be 89.137.108.222. so the problem is definitely at your end. |
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| 07:38.40 | roland_ | ah... |
| 07:38.41 | roland_ | :( |
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| 07:38.42 | peterS | roland_: try this: dig @primary.rotld.ro. ns assa-electronic.ro. |
| 07:38.59 | peterS | roland_: that will show what output I expected to get from 89.137.108.222 |
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| 07:39.52 | roland_ | peterS: ok , can you look at this : http://paste.debian.net/28234 |
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| 07:41.01 | peterS | roland_: missing a "$TTL 86400" line to declare a default TTL for each record - or you can declare a TTL on each line |
| 07:41.10 | cheshire314 | hi everybody |
| 07:41.25 | roland_ | peterS: but does that affect proper operation ? |
| 07:41.32 | peterS | roland_: (the ttl field goes before the "IN" field) |
| 07:41.32 | cydork | foo: what problems are you facing with default kerenel on etch? |
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| 07:41.52 | peterS | roland_: I don't think that is probably your problem, but it is one thing you should fix anyway |
| 07:41.53 | roland_ | ok man, im gonna modify it now |
| 07:42.04 | roland_ | 86400 is good value? |
| 07:42.32 | peterS | 86400 means that if I have cached the IP for www.assa-electronic.ro, I should not check my cached value for 86400 seconds (one day) |
| 07:42.40 | roland_ | ok |
| 07:42.41 | peterS | the correct value depends on how often you expect your IP addresses to change |
| 07:42.49 | roland_ | (never) |
| 07:43.22 | peterS | 86400 seconds (1 day) is a fairly common value, but you can set it higher if you are sure you'll have plenty of warning before any IP address changes |
| 07:43.31 | roland_ | ok |
| 07:43.57 | peterS | for example, if you know an IP will change in 1 week, you can set the TTL for that record to be smaller, some time before the week is over, so that when the IP does change, clients will refresh sooner |
| 07:44.01 | roland_ | i also didnt set up a reverse dns file for the zone is that ok ? |
| 07:44.38 | peterS | do you have control of your reverse zone? |
| 07:44.55 | roland_ | i dont have a specific ip block allocated to me |
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| 07:45.04 | peterS | "whois" only shows the large block owned by Astral Telecom, it doesn't show anything more specific |
| 07:45.12 | roland_ | ok then it doesnt matter |
| 07:45.16 | roland_ | the problem is not there |
| 07:45.19 | roland_ | hmm |
| 07:45.27 | roland_ | checking router again |
| 07:45.46 | peterS | make sure to forward UDP 53 and TCP 53 both |
| 07:45.54 | peterS | since some DNS queries use one, some use the other |
| 07:46.13 | peterS | (DNS queries that expect to receive a lot of data use TCP, shorter queries use UDP) |
| 07:46.19 | foo | cydork: NIC card (with via/realtek), filesystem goes into read only on another box. ... to say the least. |
| 07:47.02 | roland_ | DNS udp 53 192.168.0.8 53 |
| 07:47.02 | roland_ | DNS tcp 53 192.168.0.8 53 |
| 07:47.13 | roland_ | this is port forwarded in NAT section of my router |
| 07:47.32 | peterS | roland_: right, and make sure your internal DNS server is set up to answer queries from everybody in the world |
| 07:47.48 | roland_ | ok , i check that in named.conf ? |
| 07:47.56 | peterS | yeah |
| 07:48.03 | Shadda | ok, I'm not the best at networking in linux...or networking in general, so I'm not sure if what I want to do is possible. I've got the domain synful.us...I want port 80 to go to ip1, port 10000 to go to ip2. ip2 is not on the same network as ip1 (one is local, one is remote). |
| 07:48.13 | Shadda | Is that possible with iptables? |
| 07:48.15 | foo | Any way I can install another kernel on debian etch other than the 2.6.18.4 and it still be a debian kernel? |
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| 07:49.54 | peterS | foo: you can install a sid 2.6.20 kernel image, I'm guessing that will work fine on etch. (you can download from http://packages.debian.org/linux-image-2.6.20-1-686 or similar) |
| 07:50.08 | foo | peterS: Great, thank you. |
| 07:50.11 | foo | peterS: I'll give that a shot. |
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| 07:50.47 | wols | Shadda: yes it is via port forwarding |
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| 07:51.12 | wols | Shadda: however, the box hosting the domain synful.us will have to have all traffic |
| 07:51.18 | Shadda | wols: happen to have a link on that? I've been going over iptables docs but they're pretty broad :) |
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| 07:51.36 | wols | lartc.org |
| 07:51.36 | foo | peterS: ah, I see. hm, for a core2duo box, I'd want 686 kernel, right? |
| 07:51.37 | Shadda | wols: That's fine...one is public, the other is development |
| 07:51.41 | wols | and iptables docs always are |
| 07:51.54 | appelza | Hi guys, could anyone recommend an industrial cd writer thatl work with linux? |
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| 07:52.24 | peterS | foo: hmmm is that a 64-bit CPU? I can never remember. if so, linux-image-2.6.20-1-amd64 - if not, linux-image-2.6.20-686 |
| 07:52.34 | wols | foo: yes if you use i386 |
| 07:52.39 | foo | peterS: hmm, I don't think so. |
| 07:52.49 | foo | wols: core2duo, 1.86ghz... hmm. /me scratches head |
| 07:52.56 | wols | foo: it is a 64bit cpu |
| 07:53.00 | peterS | foo: I mean -1-686 not -686 |
| 07:53.10 | wols | but it can run both platforms: i386 and x86-64 |
| 07:53.13 | piztek | i don't even know what i use anymore |
| 07:53.17 | piztek | so many poweroffs! |
| 07:53.28 | piztek | i think grub was trying to boot my backup drive |
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| 07:53.31 | foo | peterS: Yup, I grabbed this: linux-image-2.6.20-1-686_2.6.20-3_i386.deb |
| 07:53.51 | peterS | foo: if wols is right, you probably do want the -amd64 kernel. doesn't mean you have to run it in 64-bit mode, but if the kernel runs in 64-bit mode your system may be slightly more efficient, especially if you have more than 1 GB of RAM |
| 07:53.52 | foo | wols: ah, ok. Hm, core2duo is from Intel, not AMD, though... so 686 I'm assuming, no? |
| 07:53.57 | piztek | foo for an intel? |
| 07:54.04 | foo | peterS: ah, I see |
| 07:54.08 | peterS | foo: Intel is in the AMD64 clone business nowadays (: yes, the name is confusing |
| 07:54.30 | foo | peterS: ah |
| 07:54.40 | roland_ | peterS: ok i didnt find any directive in named.conf that specifically says anything about allowing queries from anywhere |
| 07:54.44 | wols | peterS: imho as long as you have at least a i868 kernel, the differences are negligible no matter what cpu you have |
| 07:54.45 | foo | Are the 64bit kernels as stable as a 686 Hm |
| 07:54.48 | peterS | (AMD invented the 64-bit extensions, so they got to name the platform) |
| 07:54.56 | foo | peterS: ah, I see |
| 07:55.01 | cydork | foo: amd64 name is misleading, but it works on intel core 2 duo. |
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| 07:55.10 | foo | cydork: ah, ok. |
| 07:55.14 | peterS | foo: one problem with 64-bit kernels is, I think a 32-bit iptables won't work. so if you plan to do any firewalling / port forwarding on that box, that may be a consideration |
| 07:55.17 | repyskichboarder | hello, I think I have problems whit dependencies.Can anybody help me? |
| 07:55.31 | foo | peterS: hmm, good idea, I am. Ok, 686 it is |
| 07:55.32 | wols | !tell repyskichboarder about ask |
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| 07:55.50 | repyskichboarder | wols, can you come in #flood? |
| 07:55.51 | peterS | wols: unless you have a lot of RAM, then a 64-bit kernel will be markedly more efficient. but with 896 MB or less, I suppose the difference is smaller |
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| 07:56.23 | wols | !tell repyskichboarder about paster |
| 07:56.49 | wols | peterS: true. and evreyone having a 64bit CPU should have >)1GB by now |
| 07:56.52 | wols | = |
| 07:56.55 | wols | >= |
| 07:57.00 | roland_ | peterS: what else should i check in my side? |
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| 07:57.10 | roland_ | named running, not much else left ;-/ |
| 07:57.28 | owh | I have a situation where the sysadmin of a server is 45 minutes away from the server. I'm 18 hours away. The server was running sarge and had not been updated for a while. The sysadmin did an apt-get update ; apt-get install php4 which came back and said: What you're doing will remove the current kernel and will hose your system. If you're sure, say "yes", the sysadmin said "no" and called me. |
| 07:57.30 | wols | roland_: firewall, check if it listens on port 53, etc |
| 07:57.45 | peterS | roland_: does /var/log/syslog have any clues about named errors? |
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| 07:57.55 | ringo999_ | hi, im looking for a tool to keep my bookmarks syncronized over multiple operating systems. What do you use? |
| 07:57.57 | wols | owh: see topic. etch is now stable |
| 07:58.13 | wols | and the sysadmin has "stable" in its sources.list which now points to etch instead of sarge |
| 07:58.26 | owh | wols: I'm getting to that.... |
| 07:58.42 | wols | owh: change "stable" in /etc/apt/sources.list to "sarge" and apt-get update, and install php4 |
| 07:58.58 | owh | wols: It's way beyond that :( |
| 07:59.04 | foo | wols / peterS / cydork : Ok, rebooted into that 2.6.20 kernel, and it looks like the system didn't come back up after a reboot... meaning there is still an issue with the VIA chipset NIC card. gah. /me looks for another kernel in the debian mirrors |
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| 07:59.39 | wols | foo: first: check exactly what chip your Via card has and what driver it needs |
| 07:59.41 | cydork | foo: via? doesn't via has some patches for that? |
| 07:59.42 | owh | wols: I ran apt-get -f install as instructed by apt which installed initrd and libc. I followed it with an apt-get dist-upgrade which went without problems. |
| 07:59.43 | roland_ | May 18 06:52:33 server named[3471]: listening on IPv6 interfaces, port 53 |
| 07:59.43 | roland_ | May 18 06:52:33 server named[3471]: listening on IPv4 interface lo, 127.0.0.1#53 |
| 07:59.43 | roland_ | May 18 06:52:33 server named[3471]: listening on IPv4 interface eth0, 192.168.0.8#53 |
| 07:59.59 | wols | then look in /boot/config* for your desired kernel if that chip is compiled for this kernel |
| 08:00.03 | owh | After that I checked all the symlinks to the kernel, all good. |
| 08:00.05 | peterS | cydork: vid ide is well supported in recent kernels |
| 08:00.13 | owh | The kernel was not upgraded. |
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| 08:00.34 | foo | wols: hm, yup - it needs via_rhine, which I have |
| 08:00.37 | cydork | peterS: i thought he is having problems with via nic. |
| 08:00.39 | owh | The system failed to return from a reboot. What is likely to have happened? |
| 08:00.42 | foo | cydork: wha? VIA has patches for these issues? Hm |
| 08:00.56 | foo | cydork / peterS - and yes, it's with the NIC |
| 08:00.58 | peterS | cydork: ah, right you are |
| 08:01.03 | wols | owh: hda -> sda change. what happened is you haven't read any docs |
| 08:01.25 | owh | Crap. |
| 08:01.26 | peterS | foo: what sort of via nic? something with the via-rhine driver? my via-based motherboard just has a realtek 8139 |
| 08:01.27 | owh | Tah |
| 08:01.37 | foo | peterS: hm |
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| 08:01.40 | wols | owh: or possibly the udev stuff, or lots of other things when an old sarge kernel meets a new etch system |
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| 08:01.50 | owh | Perhaps a dist-upgrade should tell me about such things :) |
| 08:01.51 | SoulChild | Hey everybody... |
| 08:02.10 | wols | owh: documentation should tell you. you ignored the docs: PEBKAC |
| 08:02.19 | cydork | foo: does this help? http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx?PageID=2&OSID=43&CatID=3230 |
| 08:02.20 | foo | peterS: vendor: VIA Technologies, Inc. product: VT6102 [Rhine-II] |
| 08:02.26 | foo | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:02.37 | peterS | foo: indeed. and you can find the module name with 'ls -l /sys/class/net/eth0/device/driver' |
| 08:02.40 | SoulChild | If iplugg in a USB-Disk i can't unmount as normal user, is there any package needed,... i use gnome ??? |
| 08:02.44 | owh | wols: The documentation where? |
| 08:02.45 | wols | foo: not so long ago I installed etch fine on such a card. ran without a hitch. |
| 08:02.52 | litage | i've upgraded a couple of boxes from Sarge to Etch. should i recompile any software that was compiled on Sarge? |
| 08:02.54 | wols | owh: www.debian.org? |
| 08:02.59 | wols | !tell owh about sarge->etch |
| 08:03.15 | wols | litage: it will tell you if you did it via debs |
| 08:03.16 | peterS | litage: shouldn't be necessary, in Debian we take that sort of thing seriously |
| 08:03.26 | owh | Crap. Tah, again. |
| 08:03.31 | foo | peterS: ../../../bus/pci/drivers/via-rhine ... what's weird, is that lsmod|grep rhine shows via_rhine ... something is going on. |
| 08:03.35 | wols | litage: if you compiled straight froms ource to /usr/local without creating debs: all bets are off |
| 08:03.44 | peterS | litage: in Red Hat land, they expect admins to recompile local software - we take pride in jumping through a few hoops to try to prevent you from having to do that (: |
| 08:03.47 | foo | wols: I've upgraded to etch on 4 boxes, and I have had issue with all of them. |
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| 08:03.53 | litage | wols: the apps were not compiled with dpkg-buildpackage |
| 08:04.03 | foo | wols: via/realtek chipset. One of the realtek boxes... switch *all* the hardware 3 times except hard drive ... still had issues |
| 08:04.05 | wols | foo: that rhine thing was a new install |
| 08:04.06 | peterS | wols: not true, unless you _remove_ your old library packages when you upgrade, you should be fine |
| 08:04.28 | peterS | foo: nothing weird there - modules are renamed from - to _ at some point in the module load process. that's normal. |
| 08:04.31 | litage | peterS: despite it being safe to not recompile, is it advisable to recompile? |
| 08:04.41 | peterS | litage: what sort of apps are we talking about here? |
| 08:04.42 | wols | peterS: well, lets ust assume he compiled a nvidia driver for sarge? |
| 08:05.00 | peterS | wols: since kernels aren't automatically upgraded, even that should be fine (: |
| 08:05.03 | foo | peterS: ahhh, ok. Makes sense, then, someone else I spoke with didn't know that. Thanks |
| 08:05.10 | wols | peterS: damn you! :P |
| 08:05.11 | Crypticfortune_ | litage: possibly. etch uses gcc 4.1, and new libraries, etc, so some stuff might go faster, etc |
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| 08:05.18 | wols | peterS: aha: but X is :P |
| 08:05.26 | wols | peterS: got you! :P |
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| 08:05.43 | peterS | wols: oh, true. so X modules might or might not be binary-compatible between sarge and etch. (stuff like nvidia probably is not.) |
| 08:05.47 | foo | cydork: Hm, you implying I need to install VIA drivers for debian? |
| 08:05.48 | owh | wols: I have to say that a process that can upgrade a partial system from one stable to the next stable without any warning needs some looking at. Once apt-get -f install was run, and likely before that, the system was already hosed without any help from me. |
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| 08:06.06 | cafuego | You can speed it up even more by recompiling libc6 and the kernel with -funroll-loops and -Os |
| 08:06.10 | litage | peterS: asterisk, DJB's dnscache and tinydns, |
| 08:06.10 | owh | wols: Especially if apt-get dist-upgrade is not recommended. |
| 08:06.25 | wols | owh: it was not hosed at all before -f install. and if you run -f install without any clue: you deserve what you get. -f = FORCE |
| 08:06.47 | cydork | foo: no, i am saying check the information on that site, iirc via had patches for some stuff which didn't work very well in vanilla kernel. |
| 08:06.50 | peterS | litage: as for asterisk, I'd check to see if the asterisk packages in etch are suitable for you (: for DJBware, I don't think I'd bother to recompile, I doubt they're using too many old libraries in any case |
| 08:07.02 | owh | wols: That was what apt told me to do. I came to the machine after it had already installed stuff. It was trying to upgrade the kernel for no reason. |
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| 08:07.23 | wols | there is a reason |
| 08:08.00 | litage | peterS: yeah i've checked out Asterisk in Etch. it's only 1.2.13 and i unfortunately need 1.2.18 |
| 08:08.07 | owh | wols: The error it showed was that the same version of the kernel was going to be installed. |
| 08:08.15 | litage | peterS, wols, Crypticfortune_: thanks for your help |
| 08:08.23 | foo | cydork: vanilla kernel != debian kernel, right? |
| 08:08.28 | peterS | litage: too bad the unstable version of asterisk didn't make it into etch - that is 1.4.4 |
| 08:08.30 | wols | s/fort/foot |
| 08:08.35 | cafuego | litage: You may be able to easily backport the sid asterisk. |
| 08:08.51 | peterS | cafuego: well, he already has a self-compiled one in /usr/local, why not just continue to use that |
| 08:08.56 | litage | peterS, cafuego: actually i specifically want the 1.2 branch |
| 08:09.03 | peterS | (he did that while he was on sarge) |
| 08:09.12 | owh | wols: I understand the reference. I don't want to shoot myself in the foot, but having a high level tool do something this drastic without warning is not really a good idea IMHO. |
| 08:09.14 | cafuego | peterS: Coz I only just came home and didn't see <heh> |
| 08:09.30 | peterS | litage: fair enough - I don't know much about asterisk, particularly what difference 1.2 vs. 1.4 makes (: |
| 08:09.32 | SlayerXP | good morning, hash dweebians |
| 08:09.36 | wols | owh: it DID warn you. you didn't have to use apt-get -f install for nothing... |
| 08:09.41 | foo | Hm, is there any debian kernels before 2.6.18 and after 2.6.8 ? |
| 08:09.45 | peterS | SlayahExpee |
| 08:09.56 | wols | owh: there is a reason only root can use apt-get: it's assumed root has a clue |
| 08:09.57 | cydork | foo: well no but debian doesn't patch kernel like other distributions :) |
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| 08:10.10 | cafuego | I expect 1.4 has a better config file system. |
| 08:10.12 | litage | peterS: some big and small differences, but we have some other software that is currently built only for 1.2.* , so alas, we're stuck with that =P |
| 08:10.14 | wols | foo:kernels while etch was testing |
| 08:10.14 | cafuego | it should anwyay |
| 08:10.17 | wols | snapshots.debian.org |
| 08:10.20 | jelly-home | wols: an admin to read the documentation? Nonsense! |
| 08:10.27 | peterS | foo: sure, but not on the main ftp servers - you'll have to look at the "historical record" of kernels released while etch was in development - see http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
| 08:10.43 | wols | peterS: thanks |
| 08:11.00 | wols | foo: is this a headless box? |
| 08:11.32 | owh | wols: Thank you for your guidance, such as it was. |
| 08:11.43 | roland_ | Help, my DNS is configured ok but i have no idea what is blocking incoming queries from the internet, i have trafic allowed from firewall, from router, ports 53 tcp/udp open, named running and listening on them ... im stunned :( |
| 08:11.55 | foo | wols: yes, data center can hook up a monitor |
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| 08:12.05 | foo | peterS: ah, thanks |
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| 08:12.26 | SlayerXP | # love, the kind you clean up with a mop and bucket |
| 08:13.14 | peterS | roland_: see the comments about query-source in /etc/bind/named.conf.options - you may wish to enable that |
| 08:13.41 | peterS | roland_: ...though I don't think that's actually your problem |
| 08:13.57 | roland_ | peterS: i did enable it |
| 08:14.01 | roland_ | still ... |
| 08:14.03 | wols | owh: sorry, but right now, all you can do isgo to the console and check why it broks and then reinstall a etch krenel |
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| 08:14.44 | roland_ | can i explain my network topology again maybe we can get a idea of what point is a possible blocker of the dns ? |
| 08:14.46 | peterS | roland_: and your assa-electronic.ro zone is labeled as a 'master' in named.conf or named.conf.local? |
| 08:14.50 | wols | roland_: you can query your DNS server locally? it also is listening on all interfaces on port 53/udp? |
| 08:14.58 | roland_ | ok wait |
| 08:15.04 | roland_ | im looking |
| 08:15.19 | owh | wols: I understand that. I was hoping to get an insight as to what the local guy might find when he got there and what kind of tools he should bring. My frustration with your answers leaked through my responses. Sorry. |
| 08:15.22 | peterS | roland_: yeah try what wols said - 'dig @192.168.0.6 www.assa-electronic.ro.' |
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| 08:15.49 | peterS | roland_: I mean 192.168.0.8 obviously |
| 08:15.55 | wols | owh: ´could be some udev problem which renamed devices for some reason |
| 08:16.02 | wols | could be a borked initrd |
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| 08:16.11 | wols | somewhere somehow the kernel is going tits up |
| 08:16.23 | owh | wols: Yeah, I'm reading all about it in the upgrading notes :) |
| 08:17.03 | dimsuz | guys is there a package with win32 codecs? can't find one... |
| 08:17.05 | Elifant | Hello all. I have one machine with installed etch, but some packages were updated to experimental. How can I find such packages and how to replace them with ones from etch? |
| 08:17.13 | wols | if the guy over there is not really the sharpest tool regarding a *nix server, send him over with a 2.6.18 etch kernel on a CD/floppy |
| 08:17.24 | peterS | dimsuz: you want the third-party debian package repository at 'www.debian-multimedia.org' |
| 08:17.26 | wols | !tell dimsuz about dmm |
| 08:17.35 | cydork | Elifant: /msg dpkg downgrade |
| 08:17.40 | sanmarcos | in argentina there is an alcoholic drink named "smurf semen" |
| 08:17.45 | owh | wols: My point stands though. An upgrade like this should probably warn in some way, even a PREINST script that pointed at the release notes URL would have reminded me to check. As for the CD, it's being burnt as we speak :) |
| 08:17.48 | Elifant | cydork: tnx, will try... |
| 08:18.05 | cydork | Elifant: you won't like what dpkg will tell you :) |
| 08:18.08 | dimsuz | peterS, wols: great! thanks! |
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| 08:18.23 | foo | cydork: ok, so check that site to possibly patch the kernel for VIA |
| 08:18.38 | wols | Elifant: look in /var/log/dpkg.log* |
| 08:18.38 | dv06ejn | I was wondering.. is there some known issue about seagate drives not playing nice with debian/linux? |
| 08:18.46 | dv06ejn | odd things have been happening to me lately |
| 08:18.46 | cydork | foo: yeah. |
| 08:18.47 | roland_ | peterS: http://pastebin.ca/494464 <- dig @192.168.0.8 www.assa-electronic.ro. |
| 08:18.57 | wols | that's where its recorded what packages got installed. won't say if it's an etch one or a experimental one tho |
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| 08:19.24 | roland_ | did from a ssh session to the server |
| 08:19.41 | foo | cydork: How do I know which one I have? lspci shows: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6102 [Rhine-II] (rev 78) ... which isn't on that page, hm |
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| 08:20.06 | wols | !hcl |
| 08:20.06 | dpkg | it has been said that hcl is at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, or see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, or http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/, or http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/ |
| 08:20.11 | wols | foo: check that |
| 08:20.25 | wols | roland_: it seems to me you haven't set up your bind properly yet |
| 08:20.39 | peterS | roland_: see the "status: REFUSED" there? see how it didn't return an IP address for an answer? you are seeing the same problem I am seeing |
| 08:20.40 | foo | wols: Which one? :) /me checks them all |
| 08:21.01 | wols | foo: good choice. any that has the exact pci id of your nic :) |
| 08:21.25 | roland_ | its missing an IP after IN A in QUESTION SECTION |
| 08:21.26 | roland_ | right? |
| 08:21.46 | wols | roland_: it misses an ANSWER section |
| 08:21.49 | foo | wols: 0000:00:12.0 0200: 1106:3065 (rev 78) ... it would be 1106 or 3065, right? (that's the PCI ID ) |
| 08:21.52 | foo | wols: I think |
| 08:21.58 | roland_ | hmm.. |
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| 08:22.34 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:22.50 | roland_ | pls help |
| 08:22.59 | foo | wols: ah, thanks |
| 08:23.00 | roland_ | what do i modify |
| 08:23.19 | wols | your bind config. named.conf or named.local |
| 08:23.30 | wols | and no, expalining ho to config bind is beyond #debian |
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| 08:24.47 | foo | wols: hm, doing some googling while I'm at it. What does VT6102 signify? 0000:00:12.0 Ethernet controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6102 [Rhine-II] (rev 78 |
| 08:25.17 | wols | VT6102 is the name via gave the chip |
| 08:25.22 | roland_ | http://pastebin.ca/494471 |
| 08:25.24 | dimsuz | wols: and is there a way to list all packages particular repository has? for example now I know about dmm, but I don't know what is there... |
| 08:25.30 | foo | wols: I see, ok |
| 08:25.30 | wols | afaik there are sevreal different chips with tht name tho |
| 08:25.52 | foo | wols: hm, I see. So, I want to google the 1106 |
| 08:26.01 | wols | peterS: packages.gz. apt-get update download its |
| 08:26.03 | peterS | foo: 1106 just means VIA Technology |
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| 08:26.19 | wols | dimsuz: but I'd use simple apt-cache searc. or use aptitude |
| 08:26.30 | wols | foo: no you don't |
| 08:26.45 | foo | peterS: ah, ok, like the first XX number of hex code in a MAC address... it signifies the maker, IIRC. |
| 08:26.46 | peterS | foo: your chip is PCI ID 1106:3065, where 1106 means VIA and 3065 corresponds to your particular chip. the via-rhine module claims to support it, but if it's buggy, it's buggy |
| 08:26.48 | cydork | foo: via-rhine is supposed to work with that.. |
| 08:26.51 | wols | you need the full PCI ID. as peterS said: 1106 would give you any and all chip via ever made |
| 08:27.09 | peterS | foo: right, similar to the first XX:XX:XX in a MAC address |
| 08:27.10 | foo | cydork: Yeah, I know. peterS, hm, I wonder if it's buggy. /me googles |
| 08:27.15 | wols | foo: cydork is right. via-rhin is working with that chip |
| 08:27.19 | foo | peterS: ah, that's it. Are those called octets? I forget |
| 08:27.25 | roland_ | if i didnt add my zone to /etc/bind/named.conf.local is there a problem ? i added it in named.conf |
| 08:27.36 | wols | yes. a byte is also called an octet. especially in french |
| 08:27.40 | foo | wols: Yeah, but I wonder if it's buggy. I've had too much bad luck for it to be bad hardware, hmph |
| 08:27.43 | foo | wols: hehe, thanks |
| 08:27.48 | peterS | foo: right, 8 bits in an octet. (people use the term octet instead of byte because there are some old and bizarre machines where bytes are some other number of bits, like 4 or 9) |
| 08:27.53 | dimsuz | wols: ok. I know about them :) |
| 08:28.02 | foo | peterS: aha, ok |
| 08:28.18 | wols | foo: have you put via-rhine in /etc/modules? |
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| 08:28.51 | foo | wols: Yes, via-rhine and via_rhine .. no luc |
| 08:29.02 | wols | and what did the logs say? |
| 08:29.03 | cydork | foo: any errors in dmesg? |
| 08:29.10 | peterS | foo: those two names are equivalent, as far as modprobe is concerned (: as I sort-of explained earlier |
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| 08:29.27 | wols | did it load? pehaps you have a firewire or other network device in there as well? |
| 08:29.27 | cheshire314 | hi! does anybody of you know a gui-python-application builder? i mean, a simple way to build python applications with graphical interface. i just got pythoncard, is there anything better? |
| 08:29.39 | foo | wols: nothing regarding the logs. Hm, something I did notice is that when it doesn't work, it does load the drivers... but /etc/init.d/networking restart says failed to bring up eth0 |
| 08:29.42 | peterS | foo: it would be helpful to boot a non-working kernel, then run 'dmesg | less' and look for error messages from the via-rhine driver |
| 08:29.43 | roland_ | peterS: http://pastebin.ca/494477 |
| 08:29.48 | foo | peterS: ah, right |
| 08:29.53 | wols | cheshire314: boa-constrictor |
| 08:30.08 | wols | cheshire314: boa-constructor |
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| 08:30.43 | foo | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=Swiftfox%3Aen-US%3Aunofficial&hs=GFI&q=1106%3A3065+via-rhine+buggy&btnG=Search - not much about it being buggy, unless my search works |
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| 08:30.50 | wols | foo: if you use dhcp, put a eth1 with dhcp as well into /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 08:30.57 | foo | wols: nah, static |
| 08:31.11 | cheshire314 | wols: thank you so much, i apt-got it, but at first it seemed to me a little bit difficult, have you ever worked with it? |
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| 08:31.41 | wols | cheshire314: quite some time ago yes. and I probably wouldn't use the debian vresion but look into the sourceforge cvs |
| 08:31.50 | peterS | roland_: hmmm, I don't see any obvious problems. except ... when you modified /etc/bind/assa-electronic.ro.zone you didn't increment line 93 of the paste (" 2 ; serial"). you should get in the habit of _always_ incrementing that when you edit a zone file |
| 08:32.06 | foo | wols: mhm, yeah, good idea. |
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| 08:32.12 | cheshire314 | wols: i see, that's interesting, thanks |
| 08:32.15 | peterS | roland_: otherwise if you do "/etc/init.d/bind9 reload" it may conclude that the zone hasn't really changed |
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| 08:32.43 | wols | foo: my working hypothesis is that debian has eth0 and eth1 now and for some reason your via chip is eth1 |
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| 08:33.01 | wols | usually happens when the mobo has a firewire adapter |
| 08:33.29 | wols | foo: what mobo is it btw? |
| 08:33.31 | roland_ | peterS: but it says in named.conf that i should add any zones to named.conf.local , i didnt, so isnt this affecting dns? |
| 08:34.01 | peterS | roland_: that isn't very important - it's mainly just for organisation |
| 08:34.05 | foo | wols: tried to bring up eth1... what's weird is it changes, literally... from reboot to reboot ... sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. I'd at least expect it to be consistent |
| 08:34.07 | Gigs | Why does the postfix package install inetd? As far as I can see there's nothing postfix related that it starts, just some silly ancient services like "discard" and "time" |
| 08:34.20 | foo | wols: I see. Not too sure about the firewire. Hm, how can I check what kind of motherboard? Probably in lshw. /me checks |
| 08:34.39 | peterS | Gigs: it ... doesn't? |
| 08:34.41 | foo | wols: the system with the problem is still down, btw, waiting for the datacenter to get it back online, but I have another identical system with sarge that is up. |
| 08:34.56 | peterS | Gigs: when I look at the postfix package, it doesn't depend on any form of inetd, I mean |
| 08:35.15 | wols | Gigs: you probably can run postfix from inetd if you want. configured by dpkg-reconfigure for postfix |
| 08:35.18 | foo | wols: P4M800PRO-M |
| 08:35.20 | Gigs | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:35.21 | foo | wols: /me googles |
| 08:35.21 | wols | just like you can run samba this way e.g. |
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| 08:35.25 | Gigs | that's what apt picked up |
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| 08:35.32 | peterS | Gigs: it _does_, however, pull in 'netbase', which happens to pull in inetd. it's an indirect dependency |
| 08:35.32 | Gigs | maybe "netbase" requires? |
| 08:35.45 | Gigs | ok |
| 08:36.03 | peterS | Gigs: the reason is historical: netbase historically included an inetd implementation, so if you upgrade netbase it needs to pull in inetd so that old systems don't break. postfix doesn't require this part of netbase |
| 08:36.17 | Gigs | k, I'll disable it then. Thanks. |
| 08:36.48 | roland_ | peterS: ok so considering my bind configuration is not borked, let me say again my topology: i am connecting to my isp trough a cable modem with a static ip, and that modem is connected to a router (Zioncom ipTIME VE) wich has NAT and dhcp running on it and gives private IP addresses and internet acces to my LAN wich at this moment consists of 2 nodes : a laptop and the server (192.168.0.8) wich runs dns and web now, so i have checked the router and i e |
| 08:37.03 | litage | how can one figure out why syslog-ng might have stopped if it wasn't told to stop by a logged-in user? |
| 08:37.03 | foo | wols: heh, $50 ECS motherboard in a production server... *sigh* |
| 08:37.20 | roland_ | and have checked iptables on server, but no rules defined |
| 08:37.21 | wols | foo: lemme guess: you have really cheap hosting? |
| 08:37.35 | roland_ | so there isnt anything obvious that is blocking it |
| 08:37.39 | foo | wols: May I PM you with specifics? |
| 08:37.42 | wols | btw: I totally like my ECS K7S5A mobos here :). and they only costs 35 bucks :) |
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| 08:37.51 | wols | foo: no |
| 08:38.00 | wols | use the channel or a paster |
| 08:38.03 | peterS | roland_: your network topology is not the problem here: you have already confirmed that 'dig @192.168.0.8 www.assa-electronic.ro' fails locally. the problem is not the router stuff |
| 08:38.05 | foo | FYI, I have an ECS motherboard... works fine. But this is a production server. |
| 08:38.10 | wols | and I know the Pm800 junk from ECS :) |
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| 08:38.24 | wols | the rpoblem was they used a Via board for anything in the first place |
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| 08:38.41 | wols | ECS is fine. Via cheap shit is not |
| 08:38.45 | roland_ | its missing the ANSWER section |
| 08:38.47 | roland_ | in dig |
| 08:38.50 | foo | wols: Ok, $200 a month for 10mbit up/down, core2duo E6300, 1GB RAM |
| 08:38.55 | owh | wols: Can I use the debian netinst cd to recover from my f-up? |
| 08:38.57 | foo | wols: Is that cheap? |
| 08:39.02 | peterS | wols: I dunno, my via 823x chipset mobo has served me well for the past few years. even the onboard POS audio. |
| 08:39.02 | wols | ECS is foxconn. foxconn is producing for intel (their mobos) |
| 08:39.06 | roland_ | i have no idea in the world what could cause this thing.. all config is good ... |
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| 08:39.20 | roland_ | maybe i need to use another dns package |
| 08:39.31 | wols | owh: probably. always hard to tell. give him a knoppix CD too |
| 08:39.48 | owh | wols: And I gave him a Feisty also :) |
| 08:39.54 | iKernel | 4.0 is etch, right? |
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| 08:40.08 | wols | peterS: I nevre ever buy via again. if I want budget, I go SIS |
| 08:40.09 | cydork | iKernel: yes. |
| 08:40.12 | iKernel | thakns |
| 08:40.16 | foo | wols: I see. So ECS may be ok after all. |
| 08:40.25 | owh | wols: Thanks for your help. |
| 08:40.56 | cydork | wols: i was actully thinking about buy that nano-itx by via :P |
| 08:41.13 | wols | owh: boot from netinst and tell it to use the debian install via kernel boot parameter. or maybe boot into single user mode with it |
| 08:41.31 | wols | cydork: itx are sort of specialty embedded hardware |
| 08:41.44 | peterS | roland_: well, my working local DNS setup: http://p12n.org/tmp/my_named.conf |
| 08:41.50 | owh | wols: You mean by typing "rescue" at the boot prompt? |
| 08:41.52 | cydork | wols: yeah i was thinking for a car pc :) |
| 08:41.55 | peterS | roland_: just for your reference |
| 08:42.10 | peterS | it's not too different from yours - neither one of us has modified very many things from the default |
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| 08:42.28 | wols | owh: for example, yes. dunno if etch has "rescue" anymore tho |
| 08:42.33 | peterS | roland_: are you using the 'bind' package or the 'bind9' package? I'm using bind9 |
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| 08:42.44 | owh | wols: The docs seem to say so. |
| 08:42.52 | wols | owh: good. sarge didn't iirc |
| 08:43.19 | owh | wols: Yeah, it's a bit hard to make out, the docs seems to flow freely between the two versions :) |
| 08:43.20 | wols | cydork: I wish I could afford one of those IRX AM2 boards. noew those look yummy |
| 08:44.00 | peterS | yeah, installation manuals are not rewritten from scratch every release, but just updated as needed, so obviously not everything will be equally up to date at any given time (: |
| 08:44.18 | peterS | (though people do try to go through them and make sure things are ok) |
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| 08:44.33 | wols | the old linux problem: docs ;) |
| 08:45.14 | cydork | wols: ooh that is nice :) |
| 08:45.33 | owh | Thanks all. |
| 08:46.16 | wols | cydork: no price announced yet... guess why :) |
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| 08:46.26 | cydork | wols: why? |
| 08:46.27 | wols | albatron is making one if you haven't found it yet |
| 08:46.30 | peterS | owh: yeah, the breakage of dist-upgrade from sarge -> etch is a bug that nobody quite expected, and nobody noticed it until too late (the release was too close) |
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| 08:46.57 | wols | via itx isn't cheap with their shitty little C7 cpus. now guess how much a AM2 one will cost |
| 08:47.21 | owh | peterS: I understand that things break, but the challenge is that there was no way to avoid it. People will keep hitting the problem over and over again. |
| 08:47.46 | owh | peterS: When I say: "No way to avoid it.", I'm referring to the tools that are on the system. |
| 08:47.57 | peterS | owh: we've learned from this episode - folks are putting some automated upgrade tests in place that we didn't have before, hopefully notice stuff like this a bit earlier next time around |
| 08:48.09 | owh | peterS: Of course now I know that there were docs talking about it :( |
| 08:48.19 | wols | cydork: http://www.albatron.com.tw/English/news/news_detail.asp?new=default&news_id=248 |
| 08:48.55 | foo | wols: http://forums.viaarena.com/messageview.aspx?catid=60&threadid=73739&enterthread=y - if you can, read that last thread there. I think I'm on to something |
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| 08:49.12 | wols | cydork: http://www.mini-itx.com/store/?c=32 |
| 08:49.14 | peterS | owh: well, at minimum we _should_ have been able to manage "aptitude install aptitude" then "aptitude dist-upgrade". (i.e., upgrade aptitude first, then upgrade everything else with the new aptitude. it should be possible to work around any deficiencies in old tools that way. however, since we didn't notice the problems in time, we couldn't "fix" aptitude.) |
| 08:49.30 | owh | peterS: I would have advocated a process that stopped the upgrade dead in its tracks by doing some funky package.gz munching with a pre-inst scripted warning. That can still be implemented today. Too late for me, not for the next punter running a stable system. |
| 08:49.40 | cydork | wols: oooh that will be costly.. |
| 08:50.22 | foo | wols: " |
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| 08:50.41 | foo | wols: "I think it is up to ECS to solve this issue. For you I can only say : try to use linux with avoid_D3 option. In my case it works for ECS P4M800PRO-M motherboard. " |
| 08:50.58 | foo | wols: Hm, I found that in the forum. How the heck can I "use linux with avoid_D3" option... hmm, ok. |
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| 08:51.30 | owh | peterS: All I can say is that this has severely dented my confidence in the process. An apt-get dist-upgrade should *always* work. If it is known that it won't then it should stop there. IMHO anyway :) |
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| 08:52.20 | cydork | foo: check modinfo via-rhaine ;) |
| 08:52.28 | foo | cydork: ah, ok |
| 08:52.31 | peterS | owh: you misspelled 'aptitude dist-upgrade'. apt-get is no longer considered state of the art for this sort of thing |
| 08:52.41 | foo | cydork: oh, nice. |
| 08:52.45 | foo | cydork: Hmmm |
| 08:52.48 | wols | foo: either a patch or a driver parameter |
| 08:53.00 | wols | however: this only happens with sleep modes and PXE it seems |
| 08:53.00 | foo | wols / cydork: parm: avoid_D3:Avoid power state D3 (work-around for broken BIOSes) (bool) ... nice, looks like it is already in there |
| 08:53.02 | Dianora | ok |
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| 08:53.06 | peterS | foo: since it's a driver parameter, that means you say "via-rhine avoid_D3=1" in /etc/modules |
| 08:53.06 | wols | nothing that applies to you, does it? |
| 08:53.35 | peterS | foo: or if you're loading the module manually: modprobe via-rhine avoid_D3=1 |
| 08:53.44 | owh | peterS: I understand wols sentiment about shooting myself in the foot. It's a fair comment. I must confess that I have not been following debian processes for a while now. This machine had been running stable for a long time and all the sysadmin wanted to do is update their version of PHP4. The rest was just a disaster waiting to happen. |
| 08:54.41 | wols | owh: the problem all stems from the small word "stable" in sources.list |
| 08:54.45 | peterS | owh: yeah I'm not the one to say nyah nyah you didn't rtfm you deserve a broken system. it's unfortunate that we couldn't provide a smooth upgrade using the usual 'aptitude dist-upgrade' path. best we can do now is document it, which we did ... but that doesn't make me feel good about the sarge->etch upgrade we provided |
| 08:54.54 | foo | peterS: hmm, but, modinfo via-rhine|grep -i avoi returns parm: avoid_D3:Avoid power state D3 (work-around for broken BIOSes) (bool) ... so, it must have already been applied, right? |
| 08:54.58 | wols | but there are tradeoffs either way, if you put in "stable" or "branch version name" |
| 08:55.10 | owh | peterS: Well if apt-get is not considered "state of the art", then it should do the same as "nslookup" did/does, write a notice: "This tool is depreciated." |
| 08:55.19 | peterS | owh: wols is right, to avoid surprise upgrades in the future, you want to hardcode the branch name 'sarge' or 'etch' in sources.list, rather than 'stable'. |
| 08:55.20 | cydork | foo: that's a module parameter you have to use what peterS said to enable it. |
| 08:55.27 | wols | peterS: there were worse upgrade in debian's history than this one :)= |
| 08:55.28 | owh | wols: Yes, the word stable did it. Of course that was the default install :) |
| 08:55.28 | foo | cydork: ohhh, I see. |
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| 08:55.59 | peterS | wols: yeah but we've had better ones too. I was disappointed, but of course I also didn't do the upgrade testing that would have found this problem early enough to do something about it, so it's my fault as much as anyone's |
| 08:56.05 | foo | cydork / peterS : thanks, hopefully this does it. Going to try that |
| 08:56.07 | owh | peterS: I have changed all references from stable to etch, before I rebooted. |
| 08:56.13 | wols | owh: if one had put "sarge" in ther by default, it could break in a sligthyl different way, when one year from now, tons of people have an outdated, exploitable system since they never ugpraded to etch |
| 08:56.13 | peterS | owh: right |
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| 08:56.43 | peterS | wols: still, I think that's better than doing a routine upgrade (for security uploads or whatever) and suddenly getting etch |
| 08:56.55 | peterS | whether or not it's seamless (: |
| 08:57.03 | owh | peterS: That is *exactly* my point. |
| 08:57.22 | owh | peterS: And when that happened, there was no way back. |
| 08:57.23 | wols | peterS: there should be a check where "stable" checks if it'S the same stable that debian was installed with and then let apt (or aptitude) tell the user about it: "my stable repo just has majorly changed! don#t you want to do a dist-upgrade?"? |
| 08:57.34 | owh | Yes |
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| 08:57.55 | peterS | wols: that's pretty overengineered. if you want stable, say stable, if you want etch, say etch. an in-between option is a lot of complexity |
| 08:58.32 | cydork | wols: hmm wish there was a way to tell apt that now stable has changed. |
| 08:58.36 | wols | peterS: I'm thinking about the "normal" user who follows debian vsions as it was intended |
| 08:58.43 | owh | Well under Ubuntu the upgrade manager notices a dist-upgrade by checking a local file against the name of the one on the server. |
| 08:58.56 | peterS | wols: though perhaps there is merit to the notion of the 'upgrade' command noticing that over 20% of installed packages are due for upgrade, and asking for a confirmation |
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| 08:59.28 | Crypticfortune_ | peterS, owh: yeah, one of the admins in my lab did the same thing. our main fileserver had "stable" in sources.list, and one day (after i sent out a mail warning people that etch had become the new stable), he decided to do an apt-get upgrade, and suddenly sent us scrambling to fix the half-completed upgrade >_<;;; |
| 08:59.38 | foo | peterS: ok, rebooting with via-rhine avoid_D3=1 in /etc/modules *crosses fingers* |
| 08:59.58 | MarGarina | any reason why linux-image-2.6-686 is still 2.6.18 in sid? Is it on purpose or a bug? |
| 09:00.04 | owh | Crypticfortune_: At least your server was next door. Mine is 18 hours away. |
| 09:00.26 | roland_ | peterS: can you check now my domain, i changed some things in config, pls check : dig @89.137.108.222 www.assa-electronic.ro |
| 09:00.29 | roland_ | and tell me if its okay |
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| 09:01.16 | MarGarina | (there IS 2.6.20 package alreadY) |
| 09:01.20 | peterS | roland_: yes, now it returned my query correctly! |
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| 09:01.38 | peterS | roland_: at least, it told me tha www.a-e.ro is 89.137.108.222, I assume that's correct |
| 09:02.05 | Crypticfortune_ | owh: yeah, that's always a problem. especially when you accidentally say, break the network briding set up and can't ssh in to fix it (did that last year *^^*) |
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| 09:02.45 | peterS | MarGarina: linux-image-2.6-* are provided by a different source package than linux-image-2.6.x-y-*, those get out of sync sometimes. shouldn't really matter, if you're tracking unstable you probably want to specify kernels explicitly rather than using the linux-image-2.6-* pseudo-packages |
| 09:02.46 | owh | peterS: wols: From my perspective, I had a stable server which suddenly didn't act stable. It acted as if I went from stable to "unstable" and I had no choice or warning. I had not looked at the machine in over 12 months. The sysadmin did regular maintenance. |
| 09:02.46 | Crypticfortune_ | s/briding/bridging/ (it'd be interesting if networks had brides....but....) |
| 09:03.10 | peterS | MarGarina: also: the latest in unstable is actually 2.6.21 (: |
| 09:03.12 | foo | peterS: bah, no go. Back to Google for me unless you have any other ideas |
| 09:03.18 | owh | Crypticfortune_: Heh, at this stage I think I have bigger problems than the network being out :) |
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| 09:03.33 | peterS | foo: I don't have a via-rhine, so I'm sure google can tell you more than I can. does 'dmesg' give any clues about the driver trying to load? |
| 09:03.52 | roland_ | peterS: now check , as coupe de grace www.assa-electronic.ro |
| 09:03.58 | MarGarina | petemc: Thanks for the answer. btw "apt-cache search 2.6.21" returns nothing here... |
| 09:04.05 | peterS | roland_: works fine |
| 09:04.13 | foo | peterS: Hm, yeah - let me try to get it back up and check dmesg.0 |
| 09:04.14 | roland_ | yeah now i can go drink 10 beers |
| 09:04.16 | MarGarina | oops |
| 09:04.16 | MarGarina | s/petemc/peters |
| 09:04.41 | MarGarina | err, not "nothing", but not linux-image-* packages, only linux-source, linux-tree, etc |
| 09:05.04 | peterS | MarGarina: 2.6.21 hasn't built yet on all architectures - in fact I think so far it has only built on powerpc |
| 09:05.50 | peterS | MarGarina: the kernel maintainer who uploaded it apparently uses a powerpc machine, so the rest of us will have to wait for the build daemons and the NEW queue processing |
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| 09:08.42 | peterS | MarGarina: oh, my mistake, 2.6.21 is available on amd64 too |
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| 09:11.53 | iKernel | hm. doing net install for debian sure is quicker than downloading ~13gig of CDs :D |
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| 09:22.10 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 09:22.10 | dpkg | <kbrooks> i'm taking debian and making a distro out of it |
| 09:22.21 | liable | heh |
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| 09:24.07 | RichiH | is it correct that xerver-xorg is not a package, any more? |
| 09:24.31 | RichiH | i.e. not even a transitional package |
| 09:25.15 | liable | i seem to have it installed |
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| 09:25.35 | wols | RichiH: it's a meta package |
| 09:25.39 | wols | but it still exists just fine |
| 09:25.53 | RichiH | Package xserver-xorg is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
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| 09:26.06 | wols | sid here still has it |
| 09:26.09 | RichiH | bleh |
| 09:26.10 | RichiH | i don't |
| 09:26.15 | liable | !info xserver-xorg sid |
| 09:26.17 | RichiH | what servers do you use? |
| 09:26.30 | wols | none. vnc :) |
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| 09:26.39 | wols | well, tried xvfb... |
| 09:26.46 | RichiH | i mean what mirrors ;) |
| 09:26.50 | liable | dpkg: hurry up! |
| 09:26.50 | dpkg | no fsck you! |
| 09:26.50 | dpkg | xserver-xorg: (the X.Org X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:7.2-3 (sid), Packaged size: 427 kB, Installed size: 1296 kB |
| 09:27.03 | wols | ch.debian.org right now. de.debian.org too |
| 09:27.11 | foo | wols / peterS / cydork - We're just going to swap server with completely different hardware, and the NIC chipset would be realtek on the new system. Tried disabling APCI completely in the BIOS, and at the Kernel level... I've spent about 3-5 hours Googling ... dead end. Thanks guys, really appreciate the help |
| 09:28.17 | peterS | foo: if this is a 'server', you probably want to spend a bit of $$ for something better than realtek. not that realtek doesn't _work_, but it's not all that efficient - you won't get anywhere near 100 MBit/s |
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| 09:28.47 | RichiH | hrm |
| 09:28.50 | peterS | the usual recommendation is Intel PRO/100 (the e100 driver) or anything from 3Com |
| 09:28.51 | RichiH | i don't have it |
| 09:29.15 | wols | !spank RichiH's mirror |
| 09:29.31 | RichiH | it is the main one |
| 09:29.38 | vin` | RichiH: is there 'xorg'? |
| 09:29.41 | RichiH | i retreated to that after all my X troubles |
| 09:30.06 | foo | peterS: Yeah, I might have them pop in a PCI 3Com card... it's the data center that has these issues... and, to say the least, I want to move... but a new release is being launched on Monday, and I'm crunched for time. I'm thinking we launch the new release, and I slowly migrate stuff to another data center after that... need to have the least downtime as possible.. and the setup isn't all that easy ATM. |
| 09:30.42 | wols | you are upgrading the OS in crunch time? ow! |
| 09:31.01 | RichiH | crunch time? |
| 09:31.13 | peterS | foo: well - my experience with realtek 8139 has been quite positive - I've never needed 100 MBit line speed anyway, the chips seem to _work_ fine, the kernel driver might not be the most efficient thing in the world but it seems pretty solid |
| 09:31.13 | wols | the time directly before you release a software |
| 09:31.26 | peterS | foo: so I'd put off buying the replacement NIC until things are less hectic |
| 09:31.58 | foo | peterS: mhm, ok, yeah. I know realtek is cheap, but in my experience, it's everywhere... so it's generally supported fairly well, I think. Anywho, good advice. |
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| 09:32.04 | wols | yep.realtek is shitty hardware but whatever its faults, it just works :) |
| 09:32.05 | foo | wols: Tell me about it, heh |
| 09:32.15 | peterS | right, good luck, anyway |
| 09:32.21 | foo | peterS / wols - thanks guys, again, really appreciate everything |
| 09:32.28 | peterS | np |
| 09:33.02 | sanmarcos | intel pro/100 are going for 10 dollars on ebay |
| 09:33.33 | bzed | less than 10 in germany :) |
| 09:33.35 | foo | sanmarcos: heh, yeah. Maybe I should just buy a few and mail them to the DC, "here, use these." hah, they have some 3Com anyways |
| 09:33.38 | foo | hehe |
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| 09:35.22 | toxik | I shan't waste your time |
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| 09:35.37 | liable | asshole |
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| 09:35.41 | toxik | yes! |
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| 09:35.44 | liable | peterS: ban him |
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| 09:35.56 | liable | too late :( |
| 09:36.20 | sanmarcos | all those peopel quit because of the DDC crap? |
| 09:36.21 | liable | RichiH: can you find out who he was and kill him? :) |
| 09:36.28 | liable | sanmarcos: ya |
| 09:36.42 | sanmarcos | interesting |
| 09:36.47 | RichiH | liable: huh? |
| 09:36.57 | RichiH | vin`: no |
| 09:36.59 | peterS | RichiH: toxik just sent a DCC sploit that killed a bunch of people |
| 09:37.06 | liable | RichiH: see toxic join and the dcc quits |
| 09:37.13 | peterS | RichiH: needs a kline |
| 09:37.58 | RichiH | klined & removed his cloak |
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| 09:38.04 | peterS | heh |
| 09:38.23 | liable | denke |
| 09:38.27 | liable | danke even |
| 09:38.36 | RichiH | trollboy: please connect to freenode using port 8001 |
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| 09:40.16 | peterS | trollboy: he's telling you this because apparently you have a NAT router box that is vulnerable to a denial-of-service (someone just caused you to get disconnected) and using port 8001 will probably prevent the exploit from working |
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| 09:40.17 | RichiH | peterS: :) |
| 09:40.36 | peterS | RichiH: did I get that right? |
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| 09:41.51 | streuner | * Fehlformatierte DCC Anforderung von toxik. |
| 09:41.51 | streuner | * Inhalt des Pakets: DCC SEND startkeylogger 0 0 |
| 09:42.08 | liable | engrish! |
| 09:42.10 | formorer | ahja |
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| 09:42.27 | yos87 | Hi |
| 09:42.27 | foo | Is there anyway to tell if a box has RAID10 setup with an LSI Logic hardware RAID setup? |
| 09:42.30 | peterS | streuner: don't quote that word "start*logger" please, some irc clients react to it even outside DCC |
| 09:42.41 | yos87 | how to view the metadata of the mp3 file ? |
| 09:42.45 | streuner | peterS: oh |
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| 09:42.57 | yos87 | peterS: Hi |
| 09:43.01 | peterS | yos87. |
| 09:43.26 | peterS | yos87: apt-cache search mp3 id3 |
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| 09:44.20 | RichiH | narf |
| 09:44.38 | RichiH | can someone please update using the main server and try to install xserver-xorg on sid? |
| 09:44.52 | RichiH | peterS: yes |
| 09:45.01 | peterS | cool |
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| 09:46.39 | RichiH | hmm |
| 09:46.46 | RichiH | now i have xorg, all of a sudden |
| 09:47.04 | liable | !typosmite RichiH |
| 09:47.04 | streuner | well, jetscreamer was/is prolly on windows... |
| 09:47.14 | streuner | trollboy: are you using windows atm? |
| 09:48.11 | liable | RichiH: your original comment included a typo, could it be you forgot your dyslexia pills today? :) |
| 09:48.45 | RichiH | liable: amybe |
| 09:48.53 | liable | heh |
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| 09:51.52 | yos87 | peterS: Most of them command-line programs |
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| 09:52.56 | vinvin | hi, i have a problem with a ./configure with freetype2 (`PKG_CHECK_MODULES(freetype2, freetype2 >= 0.15.0)') which package can match this ? |
| 09:53.16 | yos87 | I have problem in my vlc media player, it's playing video but not playing Audio, the totem media player play the audio narmally, and the internet browser also cannot play audio in the vedio files |
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| 09:56.23 | iKernel | yos87: lsof /dev/dsp |
| 09:57.12 | yos87 | iKernel: what lsoft? I don't have this package |
| 09:57.26 | iKernel | yos87: In most cases, 1 application cannot play sound while another application is playing sound |
| 09:57.36 | iKernel | yos87: lsof is a standard linux commad |
| 09:57.44 | iKernel | yos87: it will tell you what is using a particular file |
| 09:58.06 | vinvin | lsof is not in debian base |
| 09:58.11 | iKernel | yos87: if you find that some application which you didn't know even exsited is using /dev/dsp while you're trying to |
| 09:58.13 | iKernel | of |
| 09:58.15 | iKernel | oh* |
| 09:58.28 | iKernel | vinvin: but lsof is a VERY important command |
| 09:58.40 | vinvin | iKernel: i'm not making debian ;) |
| 09:58.43 | iKernel | vinvin: I could not live without lsof |
| 09:58.49 | iKernel | that is pathetic |
| 09:58.59 | iKernel | yos87: Sorry, can't help |
| 09:59.06 | vinvin | :) |
| 09:59.13 | yos87 | iKernel: http://pastebin.ca/494568 |
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| 10:00.27 | yos87 | iKernel: when I open the gnome volume control, I click file>change device> there is 2 device here |
| 10:00.50 | yos87 | 0:HDA intel 1: realtek |
| 10:00.51 | vinvin | apt-get install lsof is not too hard though |
| 10:00.55 | iKernel | yos87: don't bother trying to fix things using GUI |
| 10:01.07 | iKernel | yos87: so you have two sound cards |
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| 10:01.17 | yos87 | vinvin: i was typing lsoft by mistake, the package is installed |
| 10:01.19 | iKernel | yos87: how many /dev/dsps do you have |
| 10:01.23 | vinvin | ok :) |
| 10:01.27 | iKernel | yos87: okay, type lsof /dev/dsp |
| 10:01.41 | yos87 | iKernel: no, I have one only, I don't what's that |
| 10:01.57 | iKernel | yos87: god knows |
| 10:02.04 | vinvin | any idea why configure is not happy with libfreetype6 for freetype2 ? |
| 10:02.16 | yos87 | iKernel: 1 dsp only |
| 10:02.49 | iKernel | yos87: so you do not have /dev/dsp1 or /dev/dsp0 only /dev/dsp |
| 10:02.58 | iKernel | yos87: type lsof /dev/dsp |
| 10:03.00 | yos87 | yes] |
| 10:03.02 | yos87 | I don't have |
| 10:03.13 | iKernel | yos87: apt-get install lsof |
| 10:03.35 | yos87 | I did already http://pastebin.ca/494568 |
| 10:03.46 | yos87 | this is the terminal out http://pastebin.ca/494568 |
| 10:04.12 | iKernel | yos87: riight... so the terminal output of lsof /dev/dsp is "I have problem in my vlc media player, it's playing video but not playing Audio, the totem media player play the audio narmally, and the internet browser also cannot play audio in the vedio file" |
| 10:04.32 | vinvin | lol |
| 10:04.39 | yos87 | iKernel: http://pastebin.ca/494579 |
| 10:04.43 | iKernel | yos87: please be more careful when copying and pasting links |
| 10:04.54 | vinvin | esd :) |
| 10:04.55 | iKernel | yos87: that's better |
| 10:04.57 | yos87 | iKernel: i'm sorry, again mistake |
| 10:05.14 | yos87 | because i want to be fast |
| 10:05.15 | iKernel | yos87: killall -9 esd , restart vlc and your web browser, and try again |
| 10:06.23 | yos87 | iKernel: it works |
| 10:06.31 | iKernel | yos87: :) |
| 10:06.45 | yos87 | what's the -9 esd? |
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| 10:07.03 | yos87 | why it was not working |
| 10:07.16 | iKernel | yos87: because /dev/dsp was in use by esd |
| 10:07.22 | cydork | yos87: coz esd sucks! |
| 10:07.29 | foo | Hm, it's taking forever to mount an nfs share... I installed portmap, I thought that was all I needed. Anything else? |
| 10:07.30 | iKernel | yos87: only 1 program at a time can use /dev/dsp |
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| 10:08.17 | yos87 | iKernel: Thank you verymuch |
| 10:08.29 | yos87 | vinvin: sorry for the mistakes I did |
| 10:08.33 | iKernel | yos87: you are welcome |
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| 10:09.00 | vinvin | np |
| 10:09.05 | iKernel | yos87: you will probably need to kill esd again everytime you reboot |
| 10:09.33 | iKernel | yos87: and the reason why it was working in totem was because totem uses esd |
| 10:09.51 | yos87 | hum |
| 10:10.12 | vinvin | foo: nfs-common in debian |
| 10:10.17 | iKernel | yos87: what esd is, a sound daemon, which lets multiple applications play sound at the same time. BUT. the applications must all be able to use esd |
| 10:10.17 | yos87 | iKernel: can't we stop the est permenetly? |
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| 10:10.24 | foo | vinvin: ahhh, tahnks. |
| 10:10.30 | iKernel | yos87: sure I guess, but I don't know how |
| 10:11.07 | cydork | yos87: are you using gnome? |
| 10:11.09 | yos87 | iKernel: so esd to way use esp with many program at same time, |
| 10:11.12 | foo | vinvin: hm, still looks like it's taking > 30 seconds. /me twiddles thumbs |
| 10:11.14 | hark | gstreamer-properties and set it to ALSA |
| 10:11.16 | yos87 | yes, gnome , cydork |
| 10:11.28 | cydork | yos87: what hark said. :) |
| 10:11.35 | iKernel | yos87: *dsp, not esp. but essentially, yes |
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| 10:12.04 | iKernel | yos87: think of it this way. sound streams go through ESD, esd mixes it all into one thing and sends it to ALSA |
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| 10:12.15 | foo | iKernel: hm, I don't think it should be taking this long. |
| 10:12.20 | Vinegaroon | My Konqueror just started freezing as soon as any flash applet is clicked... |
| 10:12.30 | iKernel | foo: no it should n't :P |
| 10:12.42 | foo | iKernel: I just unmounted and remounted on another system, it took < 2 seconds |
| 10:12.47 | iKernel | foo: wait, what shouldn't |
| 10:12.55 | foo | Mounting an nfs share |
| 10:13.04 | iKernel | foo: maybe it is because the filesystem contains errors? |
| 10:13.06 | iKernel | oh |
| 10:13.10 | iKernel | foo: slow ethernet card? |
| 10:13.15 | foo | iKernel: uh, no, and no. |
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| 10:13.29 | foo | iKernel: Slow ethernet card in mounting an nfs mount? Come on :P |
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| 10:13.55 | foo | err, it's the internal network. |
| 10:13.56 | iKernel | I give up! :D |
| 10:14.32 | yos87 | hark: what is the gstreamer? I hear about it before |
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| 10:15.17 | vinvin | foo: indeed it shouldn't be taking so long |
| 10:15.37 | foo | vinvin: I forgot to configure the internal network... bah |
| 10:15.38 | foo | :) |
| 10:15.41 | foo | vinvin: thanks |
| 10:15.44 | vinvin | haha :) |
| 10:15.49 | foo | there we go |
| 10:16.18 | iKernel | guys, there's something that I need explaining for |
| 10:16.29 | vinvin | ./configure: line 19376: syntax error near unexpected token `freetype2,' |
| 10:16.30 | vinvin | ./configure: line 19376: `PKG_CHECK_MODULES(freetype2, freetype2 >= 0.15.0)' |
| 10:16.45 | vinvin | what can I do with that ? :( |
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| 10:16.57 | iKernel | How come, me, a 16 year old student, was able to make a while loop work on first try when linux ambassador anshul gupta couldn't? |
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| 10:17.46 | iKernel | see |
| 10:17.56 | iKernel | he did the thing with the > |
| 10:18.01 | iKernel | and I just did |
| 10:18.14 | iKernel | while true; do cat /dev/zero /dev/null; done |
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| 10:18.30 | iKernel | omg wtf it's screwed up |
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| 10:18.56 | xand | !tell HaHaWhatsUp about root |
| 10:19.07 | xand | HaHaWhatsUp: root cannot speak in here. |
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| 10:20.52 | adem | is there know any germany ? |
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| 10:21.21 | cydork | !de |
| 10:21.21 | dpkg | hmm... de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 10:21.45 | iKernel | Guys: I just installed debian, everything works perfectly system-wise, but I booted up, X started and everything, but I couldn't see the actual output of X server on my monitor, just an error on the moniyor "Cannot display this video mode, change computer to display input to 1024x768@60hz" |
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| 10:21.53 | iKernel | so I switch to virtual termina |
| 10:21.56 | iKernel | terminal |
| 10:22.09 | iKernel | and it just looks like barcodes |
| 10:22.53 | wols | 1!tell iKernel about drxx |
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| 10:22.57 | wols | !tell iKernel about drxx |
| 10:23.17 | iKernel | luckily I can predict from experiance what the terminal out put is |
| 10:23.25 | wols | and if the text mode console now displays gibberish: log in and run reset |
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| 10:24.22 | rbanffy | Hi folks. What is the dpkg-way of installing both Exim and Courier SMTP servers on the same box? |
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| 10:25.01 | petemc | rbanffy: i have to ask, why would you want both? |
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| 10:25.38 | iKernel | wols: I told you, it looks like barcodes |
| 10:25.47 | wols | iKernel: I told you what to do |
| 10:25.48 | iKernel | wols: and I already tried running reset |
| 10:25.54 | iKernel | wols: and I did it |
| 10:26.09 | wols | get a better X driver then |
| 10:26.13 | iKernel | wols: but I cannot tell you whether it was successful or not, as I cannot read the text |
| 10:26.43 | iKernel | wols: I cannot read anything |
| 10:27.02 | iKernel | wols: this is more useless than a c64 |
| 10:27.29 | rbanffy | petemc: Because we would like to continue sending the current courier queue and, at the same time, start sending new e-mail on exim. |
| 10:27.41 | formorer | there is none |
| 10:27.49 | rbanffy | petemc: it would also help comparing throughput of both |
| 10:27.58 | iKernel | wols: I am about to take a picture of what it looks like |
| 10:28.05 | claudio` | How can i add the experimental repo only with a group of packets? |
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| 10:28.12 | claudio` | s/with/for |
| 10:28.22 | cydork | claudio`: why do you want to? |
| 10:28.29 | claudio` | really it's not for my |
| 10:28.30 | claudio` | *me |
| 10:28.32 | petemc | rbanffy: i dont know how to install packages that conflict with each, its not a tremendous idea |
| 10:28.34 | claudio` | i just want to help a friend |
| 10:28.39 | petemc | each other.. |
| 10:28.58 | claudio` | cydork: why? Is it a not so good thing? |
| 10:29.06 | cydork | claudio`: no it's not. |
| 10:29.10 | claudio` | cydork: why? ;) |
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| 10:29.35 | iKernel | wols: if i can find my camrea :-\ |
| 10:29.37 | cydork | claudio`: /msg dpkg experimental |
| 10:29.47 | claudio` | ok, THX |
| 10:29.56 | rbanffy | petemc: they should only conflict in their use of port 25 |
| 10:30.11 | claudio` | cydork: then? |
| 10:30.21 | rbanffy | petemc: I hope, that is ;-) |
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| 10:30.38 | petemc | rbanffy: within the context of the debian packaging system, they both provide mail-transport-agent |
| 10:30.48 | iKernel | wols: I'm going to do what you said and get a better x driver. First, I must plug the monitor into the built-in video card... |
| 10:31.15 | cydork | claudio`: did you check the message from dpkg ? |
| 10:31.24 | claudio` | cydork: yes, of course |
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| 10:31.25 | petemc | rbanffy: you can be pretty sure that exim is better than courier, flush the courier queue, install exim, be happy |
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| 10:31.48 | Zap-W | which is faster xfce or gnome |
| 10:31.55 | iKernel | xfce |
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| 10:32.16 | cydork | claudio`: so believe me you don't want experimental, if you want latest packages for stable check /msg dpkg bpo |
| 10:32.24 | rbanffy | petemc: Is there a way to pass the courier queue to exim? |
| 10:32.25 | iKernel | but gtk apps run just about as fast in xfce as in gnome |
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| 10:32.37 | rbanffy | petemc: so that exim handles it? |
| 10:32.51 | petemc | rbanffy: no idea |
| 10:32.57 | claudio` | cydork: i'll read something about, THX |
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| 10:33.02 | iKernel | Why must my brother PRESIST in talking to himself? it is driving me out of my MIND |
| 10:33.20 | claudio` | cydork: but if i would know how to do it, anyway? ;) |
| 10:33.49 | iKernel | wtfwtf wtf |
| 10:33.52 | iKernel | >:( |
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| 10:34.59 | foo | Where would you guys recommend I store sensitive information? It changes frequently. Currently, I have an encrypted vim file with vim encryption (I enter a password to edit). Can anyone recommend anything better, or is this probably good for the time being? Thanks. |
| 10:35.00 | claudio` | cydork: there is a new experimental group which will be unstable starting from the 27 june |
| 10:35.06 | claudio` | cydork: this group is not in the backports |
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| 10:35.44 | iKernel | foo: see if you can figure out how to get it to use 128 bit blowfish algorithim |
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| 10:36.20 | wols | !truecrypt |
| 10:36.21 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, truecrypt is a non-free (under DFSG's definitions) implementation of on-the-fly disk encryption that also attempts at plausible deniability, something not found in other OTFE systems like <EncFS> and <LUKS>. See http://www.truecrypt.org |
| 10:36.49 | iKernel | hey hey! just a simple reboot fixed the problem |
| 10:36.54 | iKernel | now to install nvidia drivers |
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| 10:37.07 | iKernel | default login screen is very nice :) |
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| 10:38.18 | Vinegaroon | Do I have to add any specific repositories for flashplugin-nonfree? |
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| 10:38.33 | wols | !tell winn2 about non-free |
| 10:38.41 | wols | and pray your platform has a flash plugin available |
| 10:38.44 | cydork | claudio`: well then you are on your own :) |
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| 10:38.55 | wols | which basically means: you either run i386 or you are SOL |
| 10:39.05 | Vinegaroon | Yeah, i386 :) |
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| 10:39.17 | wols | !tell Vinegaroon about non-free |
| 10:40.45 | itchi | Hi, how can i make a audio cd from mp3 files? |
| 10:41.08 | Vinegaroon | Ok is there a decent free software alternative to flashplugin-nonfree? |
| 10:41.15 | Crypticfortune | hmmm, so another one of our servers (running etch) mysteriously got permissions on /usr/lib/cups/backend/{http,ipp} set to root-only readable (meaning that all the http printers ceased to respond...) |
| 10:41.26 | petemc | Vinegaroon: gnash, ive not tried it tho |
| 10:41.42 | Vinegaroon | Ok. |
| 10:42.10 | iKernel | wonder if I can get usb plantronics headset to work using usbaudio driver |
| 10:42.14 | Crypticfortune | anyone have any brilliant guesses why the sudden permission change? (setting it go go+rx seems to have fixed it, but not knowing what changed them in the first place makes me wonder if something more serious is wrong...) |
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| 10:42.27 | iKernel | (headset doesn't come up in alsaconf) |
| 10:43.13 | Crypticfortune | iKernel: that sucks. i thought usbaudio was wonderfully standardized? maybe that headset isnt standard =( |
| 10:43.16 | Vinegaroon | Hmm konqueror-plugin-gnash doesn't seem to be in stable. |
| 10:45.17 | itchi | Somethings in cli will be nice, a have found a GUI way, but not yet a cli one :-( |
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| 10:46.05 | ustunozgur | iKernel: I have a plantronics headset and it works out of the box. |
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| 10:47.15 | iKernel | ustunozgur: but this is usb |
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| 10:47.26 | bkw | I've set up a lsi mirror raid array, and everything in the installation works fine until LILO/grub is going to write boot, both fails... why? |
| 10:47.29 | ustunozgur | yes, mine too. |
| 10:47.36 | iKernel | ustunozgur: oh, how did you get it to work? |
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| 10:48.07 | iKernel | I have an idea |
| 10:48.15 | iKernel | I'll remove the device, put it back in and look at dmesg |
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| 10:49.04 | iKernel | hmm |
| 10:49.07 | iKernel | I'll try alsaconf now |
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| 10:49.34 | iKernel | >:( |
| 10:49.48 | ustunozgur | did you see related messages in dmesg? |
| 10:49.52 | iKernel | yes |
| 10:50.49 | iKernel | ustunozgur: pastebin.ca/494640 |
| 10:50.55 | iKernel | ustunozgur: http://pastebin.ca/494640 |
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| 10:51.24 | iKernel | ustunozgur: As you can see in the paste, it's made it as /cass/input/input5, which is not very useful |
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| 10:51.48 | ustunozgur | iKernel: when I run alsaconf, it doesn't show up too, strange. But it works. |
| 10:51.51 | iKernel | because it has only registered as an input device, I see nothing sound output related in that dmesg thing |
| 10:51.57 | iKernel | ustunozgur: hm |
| 10:51.58 | ustunozgur | The thing is: you have to make it the default sound card. |
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| 10:52.06 | iKernel | ustunozgur: yes, how would I do that? |
| 10:52.18 | ustunozgur | or use a software in which you can switch output devices. |
| 10:52.21 | iKernel | (haven't had to set up a fresh install for a while :P ) |
| 10:52.24 | iKernel | hm |
| 10:52.24 | ustunozgur | do you have vlc for example? |
| 10:52.29 | iKernel | no |
| 10:53.11 | iKernel | ustunozgur: what dmesg messages do you get about your plantroincs headset? |
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| 10:53.43 | Vinegaroon | Does anyone know why flash applets would freeze when I try and use them in iceweasel and konqueror? |
| 10:54.10 | wols | Vinegaroon: no one can but adobe. flash is non-free and closed source |
| 10:54.28 | Vinegaroon | fine |
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| 10:55.25 | iKernel | ustunozgur: are you there?? |
| 10:55.55 | iKernel | im gonna try something |
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| 10:58.44 | ustunozgur_ | sorry, I got disconnected. what does "alsamixer -c 1" show? |
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| 10:59.10 | iKernel | lol |
| 10:59.36 | ustunozgur | if it does, you should creare an .asoundrc |
| 11:00.05 | iKernel | bass, bass boo (actually bass boost but is cut off), treble, pcm and auto gai (actually auto gain control but cut off) |
| 11:00.23 | ustunozgur | it says plantronics, right? |
| 11:00.27 | iKernel | okay, so the device is working |
| 11:00.34 | ustunozgur | ok, yes |
| 11:00.46 | ustunozgur | now, in your home directory, create a ".asoundrc" file |
| 11:00.52 | ustunozgur | with the following content: |
| 11:00.52 | iKernel | righty |
| 11:01.18 | ustunozgur | pcm.!default { |
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| 11:01.25 | ustunozgur | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:01.34 | ustunozgur | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:01.35 | ustunozgur | } |
| 11:01.52 | ustunozgur | I had searched this approximately 2 hrs :) |
| 11:01.56 | iKernel | now, how do I restart alsa? |
| 11:01.59 | ustunozgur | this makes your headset default. |
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| 11:02.03 | ustunozgur | no I think. |
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| 11:02.11 | ustunozgur | you shouldn't need to. |
| 11:02.18 | ustunozgur | try mpg123 to see if it works. |
| 11:02.43 | iKernel | I don't have mpg intalled |
| 11:02.47 | iKernel | also |
| 11:02.54 | ustunozgur | ok, another music player. |
| 11:02.56 | iKernel | the card is labled as Plantronics Headset |
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| 11:03.04 | iKernel | so instead of putting card Headset in |
| 11:03.05 | ustunozgur | but you have to restart the music player I guess. |
| 11:03.13 | ustunozgur | no |
| 11:03.19 | iKernel | shouldn't I have it card Plantronics Headset? |
| 11:03.20 | ustunozgur | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:03.24 | iKernel | ookay |
| 11:03.31 | ustunozgur | Don't change it, it's just a label I guess. |
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| 11:04.25 | iKernel | FUCLK |
| 11:04.49 | earthian_ | whats the command for dpkg to return the random qoute of the day or so? |
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| 11:05.46 | iKernel | thanks ustunozgur, sound works but it was so loud that my ear drums nearly burst |
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| 11:06.02 | ustunozgur | :) Glad that it worked. One thing is, |
| 11:06.05 | cydork | !qotd0 |
| 11:06.05 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, qotd5 is <antgel__>wols_: that was my question. i have established that the best method could be to open the disc and use a small magnet to get all the 1s and 0s in the right places |
| 11:06.08 | username | ich habe über madwifi 2APs erstellt. Habe ich eine Möglichkeit die zu konfigurieren außer jetzt die ESSID? |
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| 11:06.14 | cydork | !de |
| 11:06.14 | dpkg | hmm... de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 11:06.25 | ustunozgur | some applications have settings that allow you to change the sound card, so you don't need that .asoundrc |
| 11:06.26 | iKernel | username: ifconfig |
| 11:06.40 | iKernel | username: ifconfig wlan0 essid [essid hier] |
| 11:06.47 | iKernel | username: Spreche englisch, bitte :) |
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| 11:07.06 | itchi | !tell HaHaWhatsUp about root |
| 11:09.12 | itchi | earthian_: Hello |
| 11:09.12 | earthian_ | thanks cydork :) |
| 11:09.12 | earthian_ | itchi, o/ |
| 11:09.12 | ustunozgur | and the second thing is, say you are playing a file, then if you open up another music application, it uses the second card automatically, which can be annoying sometimes. |
| 11:09.12 | ustunozgur | where the second card is notebook's card. |
| 11:09.12 | iKernel | ustunozgur: I am using a PC :) |
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| 11:09.13 | ustunozgur | then, it will use your PC's sound card. |
| 11:09.13 | iKernel | ustunozgur: actually, I have 3 sound cards... one, part of my headset, 2, inbuild sound card, 3, pci sound card |
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| 11:09.14 | itchi | !tell HaHaWhatsUp about root |
| 11:09.14 | itchi | HaHaWhatsUp: man! |
| 11:10.01 | ustunozgur | oh, then it's better if you use a music player in which you can change the default card, otherwise you will end up moving and recreating that .asoundrc |
| 11:10.03 | itchi | HaHaWhatsUp: It should be your holiday today heh |
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| 11:10.25 | iKernel | ustunozgur: my main concern is that the default sound card that alsamixer wants to change the volumes of is my inbuild sound card |
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| 11:10.45 | itchi | !tell HaHaWhatsUp about root |
| 11:10.49 | itchi | HaHaWhatsUp: wohoooo |
| 11:11.00 | ustunozgur | hmm, maybe you can make an alias like alsa1 = "alsamixer -c #" where # is the card number. |
| 11:11.03 | itchi | HaHaWhatsUp: Shutdown your computer and take a free day! |
| 11:11.06 | ustunozgur | alsa2, alsa3 etc. |
| 11:11.17 | iKernel | ustunozgur: yep |
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| 11:11.23 | itchi | HaHaWhatsUp: You can not talk as root user heh |
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| 11:12.06 | dokma | valdyn you here ? |
| 11:12.20 | mmnicolas | haha really ? if you join irc as root you can't talk ? |
| 11:12.20 | iKernel | ustunozgur: another concern of mine is that I can't use the headset's volume control buttons to change the volume |
| 11:12.20 | iKernel | hmm, I wonder... |
| 11:12.22 | mmnicolas | this is a freenode feature ? |
| 11:12.24 | itchi | mmnicolas: Here it is soo |
| 11:12.38 | iKernel | nvm |
| 11:13.02 | itchi | mmnicolas: But there's no reason at all to irc as root heh |
| 11:13.29 | ustunozgur | my headset's volume control is analog, so sorry, I don't know about that. |
| 11:14.03 | mmnicolas | itchi: by a really huge mistake, maybe |
| 11:14.16 | itchi | mmnicolas: 4 times? :-p |
| 11:14.25 | mmnicolas | haha maybe not |
| 11:14.28 | itchi | mmnicolas: It should be his holiday |
| 11:14.45 | iKernel | hmm |
| 11:14.49 | ustunozgur | iKernel: which music player do you use? |
| 11:14.58 | itchi | mmnicolas: I guess that it is a stupid bot |
| 11:15.01 | iKernel | I was using rythem box |
| 11:15.03 | iKernel | or something |
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| 11:15.18 | mmnicolas | rhythmbox |
| 11:15.22 | iKernel | yep |
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| 11:16.07 | iKernel | it's not working! |
| 11:16.44 | iKernel | ustunozgur: it's .asoundrc right? |
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| 11:17.29 | ustunozgur | yes. didn't you get it working before? did you close that program? |
| 11:17.54 | iKernel | contents are pcm.!default { type hq card headset } right |
| 11:17.59 | iKernel | contents are pcm.!default { type hw* card headset } right |
| 11:18.07 | iKernel | ack |
| 11:18.11 | iKernel | with a capital H |
| 11:18.46 | rbanffy | Folks... It seems uninstalling courier-mta also deleted its mail spool... Should I worry? |
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| 11:18.59 | rc55 | !seen xmixahlx |
| 11:19.00 | dpkg | xmixahlx <n=xmixahlx@64.65.191.57> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 629d 15h 42m ago, saying: 'msg dpkg kde3.4'. |
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| 11:19.20 | iKernel | and he was never seen again |
| 11:19.27 | iKernel | because kde made his computer blow up |
| 11:19.29 | iKernel | and he died |
| 11:19.43 | ustunozgur | wait, I found a better command: |
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| 11:20.07 | iKernel | ack |
| 11:20.07 | rc55 | iKernel: yeah, jesus! That's a long time. I have a very annoying problem he has to fix - basically, his website makes note of my "active libido" if you put my name into google. :S |
| 11:20.09 | iKernel | nvm |
| 11:20.10 | iKernel | it's working now |
| 11:20.23 | iKernel | god that freaks me out |
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| 11:21.17 | ustunozgur | iKernel: the command is "asoundconf set-default-card #" where # is 0,1,2... Remove .asoundrc |
| 11:21.24 | iKernel | :D |
| 11:22.01 | ustunozgur | now, there should be a way to make that permanent, maybe put it in bash profile. |
| 11:22.26 | iKernel | .bashrc |
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| 11:22.53 | liable | damn |
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| 11:23.05 | iKernel | ustunozgur: yep still wroks |
| 11:23.08 | iKernel | works* |
| 11:23.08 | liable | i was after a link for his active libido |
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| 11:23.54 | iKernel | ustunozgur: thanks for your help mate, I guess partly the reason why is because I'm a fellow plantronics user? :) |
| 11:24.43 | ustunozgur | well, the main reason is I had searched for 2-3 hours to get it working and was frustrated, so did n't want you to be frustrated too :) |
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| 11:25.07 | liable | jesus, he seems an unusual person... http://www.urbandictionary.com/author.php?author=rc55 |
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| 11:25.56 | ustunozgur | and I learned something new too :) |
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| 11:26.15 | Crypticfortune | hmm, with all this alsa talk, i have a question. i have an onkyo SE-90PCI and it shows up as an "ICEnsemble ICE1724" in alsaconf and sounds great, i just don't have any mixer volume control....any ideas? |
| 11:26.32 | iKernel | gonna test mic |
| 11:26.57 | ustunozgur | try "alsamixer -c 1" |
| 11:27.08 | ustunozgur | where that 1 is your card number. |
| 11:27.41 | iKernel | brb |
| 11:27.57 | Crypticfortune | ustunozgur: it's the only card in the system (putting it in disabled the onboard sound) |
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| 11:28.54 | ustunozgur | Crypticfortune: then what does "alsamixer" give volume control for? |
| 11:29.55 | Crypticfortune | ustunozgur: well, it gives me a basically empty mixer... there's a couple sliders i can control that are labeled "multitrack" but they have no effect on anything i can find.... |
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| 11:30.29 | ustunozgur | try once "alsamixer -c 1" |
| 11:30.57 | ustunozgur | does it say "wrong -c argument" |
| 11:30.57 | Crypticfortune | ustunozgur: i did: wrong -c argument '1' |
| 11:31.00 | ustunozgur | ok |
| 11:32.46 | ustunozgur | did you try rerunning alsaconf? |
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| 11:33.15 | ustunozgur | first, try "alsamixer -V all" |
| 11:33.23 | ustunozgur | not alsaconf. |
| 11:33.56 | Crypticfortune | ustunozgur: already tried that. nothing new |
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| 11:35.50 | iKernel | back, phew! |
| 11:36.00 | Crypticfortune | alsaconf just sets it to the same thing... |
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| 11:38.46 | phlax | hi - i have a (recently upgraded to etch) box that is not able to apt-get - all packages return 'package is mentioned...not available' - anyone know what can cause this? |
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| 11:41.11 | ustunozgur | iKernel: ubuntu has asoundconf-gtk, a small utility to change the default card using a GUI. I just downloaded it, I think it works. |
| 11:41.12 | xand | phlax: have you run apt-get update? |
| 11:41.12 | geezz | hi. how to compress a directory using tar? |
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| 11:41.41 | cheshire314 | hi guys, my iceweasel mplayer-plugin lost focus (and consequently mute down) whenever i change window or workspace. do you know how can i force it to play loud even if its window is at the bottom of my messy desktop? :-) |
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| 11:41.42 | geezz | tar -cv? |
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| 11:41.47 | ustunozgur | iKernel: here http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/download.pl?arch=all&file=pool%2Funiverse%2Fa%2Fasoundconf-gtk%2Fasoundconf-gtk_1.5.1-0ubuntu2_all.deb&md5sum=ea382bf952992380394e858138d99048&arch=all&type=main |
| 11:42.03 | bytekode | geezz: from the man page: tar -cvvf foo.tar foo/ |
| 11:42.17 | geezz | bytekode, i wanna make it .tar.gz |
| 11:42.28 | bytekode | then add a gzip to that command |
| 11:42.48 | geezz | tar -cvvf foo.tar foo/ ; gzip foo.tar? |
| 11:42.56 | iKernel | ustunozgur: cool, you are a very helpful person |
| 11:43.09 | roland_ | <roland_> hey i have a little problem |
| 11:43.09 | roland_ | <roland_> if i type mail.assa-electronic.ro dns.assa-electronic.ro i get the html pages of www.assa-electronic.ro |
| 11:43.09 | roland_ | <roland_> seems that i get refered to the web page whatever i type and its in my domain |
| 11:43.21 | ustunozgur | :) you are welcome. |
| 11:43.26 | phlax | xand: yep many times |
| 11:43.45 | comsa | . |
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| 11:43.57 | xand | phlax: can you pastebin your sources.list, the command you ran, and the output? |
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| 11:48.17 | phlax | xand: http://pastebin.ca/494713 |
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| 11:48.50 | iKernel | ustunozgur: ...it's for ubuntu :-\ |
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| 11:50.18 | cheshire314 | [RESOLVED] my iceweasel mplayer-plugin mutes down when not in focus ---> add "nopauseonhide=1" in ~/.mplayer/mplayerplug-in.conf |
| 11:50.24 | iKernel | ustunozgur: brb, switching irc machines (running irc on lappy here), get ready to paste link again thanks please :) |
| 11:50.46 | balbir97 | how to create a .deb package |
| 11:51.01 | streuner | why? |
| 11:51.09 | itchi | cheshire314: Thanks to share your fix too ;-) |
| 11:51.19 | streuner | why do you think you need to create a deb? |
| 11:52.05 | itchi | geezz: You want to take a look to /msg dpkg tar |
| 11:52.17 | th1 | balbir97, it is not very simple, you need to read a howto start here http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 11:52.47 | balbir97 | do we have some tool to create debian package thl |
| 11:52.54 | balbir97 | do we have some tool to create debian package th1 |
| 11:52.56 | th1 | yes read that page |
| 11:53.03 | balbir97 | ok |
| 11:53.09 | th1 | it is a number of tools that work together.. |
| 11:53.15 | th1 | building packages is not a simple process |
| 11:53.24 | th1 | but if you follow the steps it is manageable |
| 11:53.48 | streuner | yes, but why do you think to create one, balbir97? :-) |
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| 11:54.11 | iKernel | ustunozgur, link again plz :) |
| 11:54.17 | th1 | maybe he wants to distribute precompiled software? |
| 11:54.36 | iKernel | th1, or maybe he wants to do it for fun? |
| 11:54.45 | th1 | yeah, or to learn about debian |
| 11:54.49 | th1 | there are many possible reasons :) |
| 11:55.01 | th1 | however I don't demand to know a reason to help.. |
| 11:55.03 | balbir97 | streuner: actually i need to build a cutomize debian package of my program |
| 11:55.10 | iKernel | I remember making and maintaining gzlauncher rpms for a while, was trying to get it into fedora-extras |
| 11:55.25 | th1 | RPMs are a nightmare to build.. |
| 11:55.32 | balbir97 | streuner: it's a small utility |
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| 11:55.35 | th1 | debian's packaging system is so much better |
| 11:55.38 | ustunozgur | iKernel: you can install the ubuntu package too. or you can download as a separate program |
| 11:56.00 | th1 | balbir97, is it fairly standard like "./configure; make; make install" kinda thing? because if it is there is a shortcut you can take |
| 11:56.28 | ustunozgur | the ubuntu deb link is:http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/sound/asoundconf-gtk |
| 11:56.36 | iKernel | but then the authour of gzlauncher came along and basically said that zdaemon people won't allow his client to connect because it's open source and they don't want people attacking zdaemon servers |
| 11:56.54 | ustunozgur | and the separate program link is: http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/asoundconf-gtk-0612041405/asoundconf-gtk_1.5.orig.tar.gz |
| 11:57.00 | balbir97 | I want to add it to my own repositery, so using apt-get I will be able to use that |
| 11:57.09 | balbir97 | th1: I want to add it to my own repositery, so using apt-get I will be able to use that |
| 11:57.23 | ustunozgur | It's a simple program (~5-10 kb), just a frontend to the cli |
| 11:57.43 | th1 | balbir97, for how to manage your own repository check here http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ |
| 11:57.50 | iKernel | tks |
| 11:58.53 | th1 | balbir97, you might also want to go for http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Binary-Package-Building-HOWTO/ if you want more concise information on just how the package building works.. |
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| 11:59.47 | th1 | it might be enough for a "minimal" package |
| 12:00.05 | xand | phlax: I'd try a different mirror maybe |
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| 12:00.54 | fatman | hello, i am fat-man and i weigh 400 pounds. you can see video of my supreme fatness at www.fat-man.org |
| 12:01.04 | tarzeau | !ops fatman is a spammer |
| 12:01.04 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: tarzeau complains about: fatman is a spammer |
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| 12:02.00 | phlax | xand: i have and i checked the one there for availability and for the package being listed in Packages.gz |
| 12:02.13 | phlax | xand: its something wrong with dpkg/apt |
| 12:02.21 | iKernel | ustunozgur, Lol! I probably could've made that application (back when I was playing with pygtk, not now) |
| 12:02.37 | phlax | xand: i caned /var/lib/dpkg/available and re-updated - still no joy |
| 12:03.11 | iKernel | ustunozgur, lol, once I made a doom selector (for personal use only). I could run the program and I could either press Doom 1 and it'd start Doom 1 or Doom 2 and it'd start Doom 2 |
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| 12:03.34 | iKernel | it was fun |
| 12:03.49 | ustunozgur | :) yes, simple but that's a very helpful app, indeed |
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| 12:05.20 | iKernel | ustunozgur, probably makes use of the command that lists alsa cards, gawk, and asoundconf :) |
| 12:05.36 | phlax | xand: thanx for help - worked it out - erroneous preferences file in /etc/apt |
| 12:05.48 | phlax | xand: pinning to testing |
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| 12:12.09 | nvz | I couldnt get my route to my gateway to work for shit last night. the route was set but it just wasn't working was like hanging when displaying the output of route too |
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| 12:12.32 | nvz | I unplugged the damn pc for the night it was pissing me off.. now it magically works |
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| 12:13.34 | iKernel | nvz, lol, probably just needed an inetd restart |
| 12:13.42 | J0han- | hello world! |
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| 12:13.54 | J0han- | does anyone have any ideea how to use hotkey_setup? |
| 12:14.00 | iKernel | J0han-, nup |
| 12:14.01 | J0han- | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/misc/hotkey-setup |
| 12:14.30 | nvz | iKernel: na, I rebooted the machine and reseated the NIC before I pulled the plug |
| 12:14.47 | iKernel | nvz, hm. :D |
| 12:15.03 | Pobega | J0han-: Have you checked /usr/share/doc/ for information there? Should be sufficient. |
| 12:15.27 | Pobega | Most likely /usr/share/doc/hotkey-setup/README.gz, if it exists. |
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| 12:19.03 | roland_ | libapache-mod-php5 <- this is PHP 5 for apache 1.3 ? |
| 12:19.07 | roland_ | php5 support |
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| 12:19.46 | iKernel | this has got to be one of those most inspiring things ever: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-y0MdPXslo |
| 12:20.03 | iKernel | it inspires me to rip apart the duke.mid file |
| 12:20.18 | iKernel | using midi editors, on linux |
| 12:20.25 | iKernel | and set up a band |
| 12:20.32 | iKernel | and give them the notes |
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| 12:23.26 | mark_s | I use a 3ware controller for a raid. the command "df" listed the raid as /dev/.static/dev/sdb1 in fstab I mount it as /dev/sdb1. Now after an update I always have to press "Control-D" because of fsck. "df" tells me that the raid is used as "dev/sdb1". How do I get it back to "dev/.static/dev/sdb1", so the system starts without pressing "Control-D" all the time? |
| 12:24.14 | nvz | ugh, fucker |
| 12:25.13 | nvz | my hd just shut off I reckon |
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| 12:27.24 | iKernel | nvz, oops. lol |
| 12:27.45 | iKernel | nvz, got enough ram? |
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| 12:29.15 | raphi | anyone can help? i'm trying to download the testing DVD with utorrent and get the message "Fehler: Requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker." any suggestion? |
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| 12:33.07 | raphi | no idea? |
| 12:33.39 | mark_s | what does the .static in "/dev/.static/dev/sdb1" mean??? |
| 12:33.47 | Arafangion | raphi: Perhaps you need to ask for them to authorize the download, or find an alternative? |
| 12:33.57 | iKernel | raphi, means you're not allowed to download from that tracker |
| 12:34.30 | iKernel | raphi, I mean, means you're not allowed to downoad that *file* using that tracker |
| 12:34.39 | raphi | and why not? :-D I need just the last few MB's.... the other stuff i've downloaded with jigdo.. |
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| 12:35.08 | sep | raphi, just use rsync ? |
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| 12:35.27 | raphi | sep: that's a thing I really don't understand... :-D |
| 12:35.37 | raphi | sep: is there a good tut.? |
| 12:36.01 | ustunozgur | raphi: you know you can install netinst cd, right? |
| 12:36.16 | balbir97 | th1: I created a .deb file of httpd-2.2.4.tar.gz, but I have wrote a small script file(tool) and want to make it .deb file, so it will copy it to /sbin, but looks very complicated, could you help me! |
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| 12:36.26 | ustunozgur | you don't need the whole dvd. |
| 12:36.33 | raphi | ustunozgur: yes I know, but here are 4 machines and only one is connected to the ned... |
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| 12:36.38 | raphi | net |
| 12:37.21 | fengor | are the 4 machines connected to each other raphi ? |
| 12:38.14 | itchi | I try to burn a cd with wodim and i get wodim: Track limit (99) exceeded what mean this? Google is not usefull on these keywords |
| 12:38.22 | raphi | fengor: no.. just 2 and 2 (crossover), I don't have any switch, or I don't have any money... |
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| 12:38.41 | sep | raphi, you dont have extra network cards either ? |
| 12:38.45 | loxley_ | balbir97: the fact you want it to be in /sbin really counts you out |
| 12:38.56 | iKernel | god gnu find is so much better than explorer's search thing |
| 12:39.04 | raphi | sep: no.. |
| 12:39.11 | ustunozgur | what was the problem you encountered with jigdo? |
| 12:39.52 | itchi | iKernel: See also 'locate' maybe |
| 12:40.15 | sep | raphi, is it the weekly build you are downloading ? |
| 12:40.16 | iKernel | itchi, locate uses a database to tell you where files are |
| 12:40.41 | itchi | iKernel: For some things, locate is much usefull. Yeah, it index the files |
| 12:40.41 | iKernel | itchi, which is not very useful if you are seaching in /mnt/hda1 to find duke3d.grp :D |
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| 12:40.46 | balbir97 | loxley_: didn't get you, please explain |
| 12:40.52 | raphi | ustunozgur: I download the files and it tells me 'checksum do not match' and i don't like to mount the (damaged) iso and scan the hole thing again... over and over.... |
| 12:40.59 | raphi | sep: yes, the weekly one |
| 12:41.02 | itchi | iKernel: You can also update manually the database with updatedb |
| 12:41.03 | Danielss89 | hi, im trying to set up a mailserver.. but when im sending to the mail ive added i get this error in my syslog: http://pastebin.ca/494774 |
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| 12:41.22 | loxley_ | balbir97: if you read the maintainer guide you'd probably know that /usr/bin /usr/sbin are the dirs to use |
| 12:41.29 | NetGangsta | I how can I remove a file on linux with a space like that file test.lol ? |
| 12:41.30 | itchi | iKernel: But it take a while too. But i insist, locate may usefull some times :-p |
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| 12:41.49 | iKernel | itchi, updatedb automatically updates the database -- how is that doing it manually? |
| 12:41.58 | ustunozgur | raphi: oh, doesn't jigdo resume the download= |
| 12:42.00 | petemc | iKernel: cron job |
| 12:42.08 | ustunozgur | issue the command |
| 12:42.08 | itchi | NetGangsta: You need to escape some chars, like a space for example. A nice and easy trick is to use that shell autocompletion |
| 12:42.13 | ustunozgur | updatedb |
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| 12:42.15 | petemc | iKernel: oh, sorry - updatedb is the command.. |
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| 12:42.26 | itchi | iKernel: There is a cron job somewhere, or somethings similar |
| 12:42.30 | sep | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:42.39 | itchi | iKernel: Every day it is run |
| 12:42.40 | raphi | ustunozgur: no, after i've finished the download it tells me, the checksum doesn't match.. |
| 12:42.45 | raphi | sep: i'll try.. |
| 12:42.52 | iKernel | IDC :D |
| 12:43.03 | Danielss89 | any ideas: http://pastebin.ca/494774 |
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| 12:43.13 | NetGangsta | itchi I dont really understand :\ |
| 12:43.24 | itchi | HaHaWhatsUp: Again there as root user, wtf man |
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| 12:43.47 | iKernel | HaHaWhatsUp, Are you retarded? How hard is it to run |
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| 12:44.06 | itchi | NetGangsta: Type the first characters of the filename, and then hit the 'tab' key |
| 12:44.09 | iKernel | HaHaWhatsUp, Are you retarded? How hard is it to run your irc client as a normal user? |
| 12:44.20 | iKernel | "oh but i don't have a normal user |
| 12:44.21 | iKernel | " |
| 12:44.25 | itchi | iKernel: It is that 5 time, at list what i have see |
| 12:44.26 | iKernel | HaHaWhatsUp, then run useradd |
| 12:44.30 | petemc | iKernel: easy with the insults |
| 12:44.34 | itchi | arg |
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| 12:44.49 | iKernel | itchi, sorry, I don't understand |
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| 12:44.52 | py_ | hello |
| 12:45.01 | itchi | iKernel: Yeah, i see myself :-p |
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| 12:45.07 | Eclipser | erf |
| 12:45.15 | itchi | iKernel: It is already 5 times he connected as root user in a few |
| 12:45.31 | iKernel | itchi, in a row |
| 12:45.35 | itchi | petemc: But that user have a problem, or use a stupid bot as root user |
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| 12:45.40 | me_here_ | du solltest lieber if [ -z "QTDIR" ] schreiben |
| 12:45.42 | me_here_ | ups |
| 12:45.54 | petemc | itchi: that doesnt justify insults |
| 12:46.05 | itchi | petemc: Yeah, i agree about that |
| 12:46.40 | iKernel | I think it does. But oh well. World keeps on spining. |
| 12:46.58 | py_ | The latest versions of the BlueZ .deb packages in any debian version are based on BlueZ 3.7. I need to use the latest one (the 3.x series is quite new and fast moving), and am thinking about packaging it myself for the etch systems I'll deploy it to. |
| 12:47.03 | petemc | iKernel: some of the shit you've been asking if pretty stupid |
| 12:47.06 | petemc | s/if/is/ |
| 12:47.25 | iKernel | :( |
| 12:47.26 | jetscreamer | !de |
| 12:47.27 | dpkg | from memory, de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 12:47.32 | liable | HaHaWhatsUp: you need to log out of root dude. either restart x as a normal user or exit root if you are using a cli irc client |
| 12:47.33 | py_ | I know how to compile it, but U never built a .deb package. Is a it an easy task, or is it a complicate dprocess? |
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| 12:48.03 | py_ | (I meant "I never built a package", of course) |
| 12:48.16 | Eclipser | uh this is weird... my other box apt-cache finds linux-headers-2.6.18-4something but my other doesn't, and they have the same stuff in sources.list.. |
| 12:48.26 | Pobega | py_: It takes a lot of time if there are no previous debs to work off of. You have to track down all of the dependencies yourself. |
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| 12:49.09 | Pobega | Eclipser: Try doing aptitude search headers | grep linux on each, to see what comes out. If it doesn't come out on one of the computers, run apt-get update and try again. |
| 12:49.16 | Danielss89 | hi, im trying to set up a mailserver.. but when im sending to the mail ive added i get this error in my syslog: http://pastebin.ca/494774 |
| 12:49.26 | py_ | Pobega: there are previous debs, and dependencies didn't change between the latest packaged release, and the current. So I may "reuse" some of the work previously done by the maintainer? |
| 12:49.32 | itchi | HaHaWhatsUp: You are not able to talk here too as root user btw |
| 12:49.59 | Pobega | py_: Then it will be extremely easy. Read this and you'll be set: http://wiki.debian.org/HowToPackageForDebian |
| 12:50.31 | Eclipser | Pobega, it's the same but the other has 2.6.18 headers and the other has 2.6.17 headers |
| 12:50.33 | segin | can anyone here point me to a tutorial on using psudeo-terminals on C? |
| 12:50.38 | Pobega | py_: This is just for personal use, right? If so, you can skip all the chroot stuff (Not sure if it's in that manual though) |
| 12:50.39 | segin | err, in, not on. |
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| 12:50.59 | Pobega | Eclipser: Are you sure they both point to the same release? |
| 12:51.10 | py_ | Pobega: thanks, very nice, will read that carefully right now |
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| 12:53.02 | Pobega | py_: That page doesn't say, but you'll need the devscripts and dh-make packages to build your ./debian/ folder (Which follows the dependency-checking) |
| 12:53.12 | Eclipser | Pobega, http://rafb.net/p/VewEpG74.html |
| 12:53.34 | Eclipser | Pobega, I have to go eat now, be back soonish |
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| 12:53.58 | microtux | hi |
| 12:54.01 | Pobega | Eclipser: It's because the packages are installed. |
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| 12:54.12 | piti | Hi everyone. |
| 12:54.19 | microtux | have a problem with sound system |
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| 12:54.29 | Pobega | Eclipser: They aren't removed from apt because well...How would you apt-get remove them if they were taken out of the list? |
| 12:54.35 | microtux | my debian can't detect the sound card. |
| 12:54.49 | microtux | lspci shows some unkown devices |
| 12:54.53 | microtux | any suggestion? |
| 12:54.55 | Pobega | microtux: Have you tried running alsaconf to see if that would detect it? |
| 12:55.42 | py_ | Pobega: thanks for the hint |
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| 12:56.01 | themill | microtux: update-pciids will pick up new pci ids which might also help |
| 12:56.02 | itchi | microtux: Update the database first, as root user do update-pciids and then do again lspci and hope it's gone |
| 12:56.04 | Pobega | py_: No problem. |
| 12:56.09 | liable | microtux: to fix unkown devices.. 'update-pciids' |
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| 12:56.52 | microtux | ok , thx i'll try all propositions then tell u ; thx |
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| 12:59.01 | piti | I want to compile libexif-gtk, but I have the "No package 'gtk+-2.0' found" message. I tried to install the libGTK2.0-dev, but synaptic tells me that "depends of libgtk2.0-0 (=2.8.20-7) but 2.10.12-1 has to be installed", and my problem is that many of my packages depend of 2.10.12-1. what can I do ? |
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| 13:00.00 | liable | go to the bar! :) |
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| 13:00.32 | rmichel | hellp |
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| 13:00.42 | Ronin | !tell rmichel about ask |
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| 13:01.24 | rmichel | I have a problem with my bootsplash |
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| 13:02.07 | piti | Liable: are you talking to me ? is it to joke ? |
| 13:02.10 | rmichel | bootsplash is loaded but he dont any pic |
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| 13:02.23 | rmichel | +show |
| 13:02.31 | liable | piti: yes, a stupid joke |
| 13:02.40 | rmichel | has anybody an idee ? |
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| 13:04.16 | Eclipser | well hmpf |
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| 13:04.41 | Eclipser | where am I going to get the headers for 2.6.18-4-486 then... |
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| 13:05.13 | liable | sdo |
| 13:05.57 | rmichel | nobody ? |
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| 13:06.45 | liable | !sdo |
| 13:06.58 | liable | !s.d.o |
| 13:06.58 | dpkg | i guess s.d.o is security.debian.org |
| 13:07.10 | liable | !stupid bot |
| 13:07.10 | dpkg | no, stupid liable |
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| 13:07.24 | liable | oh, it is stupid liable |
| 13:07.25 | fritz | hi |
| 13:07.27 | liable | !sdn |
| 13:07.27 | dpkg | methinks sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is largely lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 13:07.34 | liable | Eclipser: ^^ |
| 13:08.54 | cydork | Eclipser: you mean linux-headers-2.6.18-4-486 ? |
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| 13:09.45 | liable | must find the relevent devel list for when that hd failure occured |
| 13:09.51 | Eclipser | cydork, yes |
| 13:10.01 | Eclipser | but I think I found them from my other box apt cache |
| 13:10.02 | novaflare | quick question (more reminder really) on linux windows dual boot you install windows first then linux right? |
| 13:10.09 | cydork | piti: you installed libgtk2.0-dev ? |
| 13:10.18 | novaflare | been a couple years sence i dual booted them lol |
| 13:10.22 | Eclipser | novaflare, usually yes, windows might overwrite your bootloader otherwise |
| 13:10.33 | novaflare | yeh thats what i thought heh |
| 13:10.43 | jetscreamer | make a grub floppy if you install debian first |
| 13:10.43 | liable | novaflare: if you have the choice, yes |
| 13:11.02 | novaflare | thats good then |
| 13:11.25 | novaflare | i can finish wiping out my old dead linux partion and re do my mepis or a pure debian install |
| 13:11.52 | omri | what's the next stable kernel tree version? (I mean, now it's 2.6.x, what'd be next?) |
| 13:12.03 | piti | Cydork: I'd like, but the package depends of an older version of libGTK2.0 than I have,and many of my packages depend of this newer version. |
| 13:12.36 | novaflare | i kind of doubt i could repair my current install its like mega toast. Ram stick died during last boot of my linux boot and corupted pretty nearly every thing |
| 13:12.40 | cydork | piti: ok, what are you trying do? are building debian package? or just compiling it from sources? |
| 13:13.53 | cydork | s/are building/are you building/ |
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| 13:14.59 | piti | Cydork: Ijsut want to compile from source (gphoto from svn) which depends of GTK2.0 |
| 13:15.11 | henry_nicolas | Hello everybody, do you know any gnome office alternative to openoffice impress ? |
| 13:16.11 | liable | is impress the pps one? |
| 13:16.35 | abrotman | henry_nicolas: that's like powerpoint? |
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| 13:16.41 | Assid | hi |
| 13:16.45 | henry_nicolas | abrotman : yes it is |
| 13:16.58 | abrotman | henry_nicolas: maybe scribus or inkscape |
| 13:17.04 | abrotman | !info scribus etch |
| 13:17.06 | cydork | piti: which version of debian are you using? |
| 13:17.08 | dpkg | scribus: (Open Source Desktop Publishing), section graphics, is optional. Version: 1.2.5.dfsg-5+b1 (etch), Packaged size: 5381 kB, Installed size: 15920 kB |
| 13:17.19 | Assid | quick question on the kernel.. If i have a xeon 3060.. what kernel would be better? MCORE2 / 686 ? |
| 13:17.45 | abrotman | 686 is fine |
| 13:17.52 | abrotman | wtf is mcore2 ? |
| 13:18.01 | abrotman | oh .. you're compiling your own ? |
| 13:18.20 | Assid | yep |
| 13:18.23 | henry_nicolas | abrotman : thx for information |
| 13:18.30 | piti | Cydork: I'm on etch (with some packages from sid) |
| 13:18.30 | abrotman | Assid: ask #kernel |
| 13:18.33 | Assid | trying to get some more speed out of it through cpu optimization |
| 13:18.41 | Assid | abrotman: no help.. no ones answering |
| 13:18.41 | abrotman | you can try all day ... |
| 13:18.51 | abrotman | Assid: then wait .. debian provides kernels for you .. |
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| 13:19.27 | liable | abrotman: but they dont have -CFLAGS!?! |
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| 13:19.51 | liable | how do you get clickable links in irssi? |
| 13:20.06 | abrotman | isn't that a terminal thing? |
| 13:20.13 | liable | is it? |
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| 13:20.19 | cydork | piti: and where did you libgtk2.0 from sid? |
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| 13:20.43 | aixing | I have really weird issue (at least to me anyway) when I do "df -h" the only filesystem I see is "tempfs". could someone help me understand this pls. |
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| 13:21.22 | abrotman | liable: ask #irssi? :) |
| 13:22.52 | liable | abrotman: dont you understand? i want a one stop shop of knowledge. I thought #debian supplied this, guess I am going have to install ubuntu.. |
| 13:22.56 | bytekode | liable: use a terminal that supports url highlighting, like gnome-terminal (assuming you use gnome) |
| 13:23.07 | piti | Cydork: I had done a big error two weeks ago, I totally upgraded to sid! but I don't know how to know if a package comes from sid, or unstable or stable... |
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| 13:23.45 | atealtha | liable: so do you think #ubuntu will answer that question? |
| 13:23.59 | liable | of cousre |
| 13:24.04 | jetscreamer | if you totally upgraded to sid, then probably most of them are from sid... |
| 13:24.15 | jetscreamer | of course a lot of them could be from unstable... |
| 13:24.39 | atealtha | good luck with ubuntu then |
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| 13:25.23 | possie | hi |
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| 13:26.55 | piti | I have modified my /etc/apt/sources.list, and someone here told me that in some weeks, most of packages will "come back to normality" |
| 13:27.01 | itchi | liable: It is a terminal feature, try a bloated one and you get clickable links. Otherwise double click on it and drag |
| 13:27.11 | cydork | piti: you did a dist-upgrade? no mention of stable/etch in sources.list? check policy for libgtk2.0 |
| 13:27.49 | cydork | piti: who ever said that is a moron. :) |
| 13:28.11 | liable | itchi: i have the mostest bloatest term thats available! konsole! but the fucker doesnt do it. it sucks that i really like it. |
| 13:28.33 | piti | Cydork: how can I check policy for libgtk2.0 ? (I'm a newbie with debian...) |
| 13:28.38 | py_ | what options should I pass to ./configure if I want to compile stuff with debugging symbols and so on (for use in gdb) ? |
| 13:28.47 | cydork | piti: apt-cache policy libgtk2.0 |
| 13:29.24 | cydork | piti: and when you use sid you are on your own, :) check /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 13:29.39 | abrotman | liable: i'd imagine it should .. maybe it's a konsole setting ? |
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| 13:30.02 | itchi | liable: Is that gnome-terminal ? |
| 13:30.10 | liable | abrotman: dont believe its implemented yet |
| 13:30.16 | itchi | liable: These bloated does it, yeah, maybe a setting then |
| 13:30.49 | liable | itchi: konsole is the default term with kde (i dont use kde, but i always install konsole. i like it) |
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| 13:32.33 | itchi | liable: Yeah, konsole have not that feature it looks :-s gnome-terminal does |
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| 13:32.41 | liable | holy shit, theres mail for this going back to 2003 |
| 13:33.18 | massaki | hello, i just reinstall my debian stable, ( on my dell c400 notebook) but my terminal (f1, f2, etc) are crashing .. i cant press f1, i remember i fix it once , but i forgot, was something about changing the terminal modes to 777 or 000 cant remember .. any guess?? |
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| 13:34.34 | itchi | massaki: vga=791 ?? |
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| 13:34.58 | massaki | itchi, ya , maybe , but what file is it ? xorg ? |
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| 13:35.25 | itchi | massaki: In /boot/grub/menu.lst but i'm not sure if it's that heh |
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| 13:36.00 | kairu0 | poll: what type of server is my sparc 500mhz blade server with not much space good for? |
| 13:36.05 | py_ | I'm trying to create a.deb for a library. After I set up debian/control, I run dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot. It produces a .deb, but it does not contain the library itself (which is properly created in the tree, I can find it afterwards). What am I doing wrong? |
| 13:36.56 | itchi | kairu0: Everythings appart a file server?? |
| 13:37.40 | kairu0 | itchi, good idea. i forgot to say that it has only IDE though |
| 13:37.47 | itchi | py_: You missed somethings, the rules files or somethings like that i guess. Take a look in the maint-guide |
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| 13:39.03 | nantes_geek | hi everybody |
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| 13:39.17 | itchi | nantes_geek: Salut |
| 13:39.19 | massaki | itchi, nah, nothing there |
| 13:39.25 | nantes_geek | i have a small problem with my display configuration in etch ppc |
| 13:39.41 | py_ | itchi: thanks. is there a way to extract that file from a previous version of the package? |
| 13:39.43 | massaki | somebody know where can i change my terminal "modes" .., my terminal is crashing |
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| 13:39.47 | itchi | massaki: that vga=-791 give you a higher resolution without x, but i dunno if that's your fix btw |
| 13:40.04 | itchi | py_: Use "ar" |
| 13:40.06 | massaki | itchi, but i cant see any vga there |
| 13:40.09 | nantes_geek | what's the command line instruction to configure display please ? |
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| 13:40.28 | itchi | massaki: That is not default too |
| 13:40.37 | nantes_geek | i'm looking for xf86cfg but i can't find it |
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| 13:40.49 | itchi | nantes_geek: i.e. /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-686 root=/dev/sda6 ro vga=791 |
| 13:40.50 | Assid | heya |
| 13:41.03 | itchi | oeps, sad nick autocompletion |
| 13:41.06 | Assid | will i get an addl. benefit if i update the kernel from source ? |
| 13:41.08 | massaki | itchi, hoo forgot .. i found it |
| 13:41.11 | Assid | i got a xeon 3060 |
| 13:41.17 | nantes_geek | itchi: ^^ |
| 13:41.30 | itchi | nantes_geek: Sorry, wrong nick |
| 13:41.36 | nantes_geek | itchi: no problem |
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| 13:41.46 | itchi | !drxx |
| 13:41.46 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 13:41.48 | itchi | nantes_geek: ^^ |
| 13:42.16 | itchi | nantes_geek: The config file is located at /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 13:42.28 | liable | !lart konsol |
| 13:42.49 | itchi | liable: gnome-terminal?? try that, it's the 'same' |
| 13:43.05 | liable | itchi: does it do tabs yet? |
| 13:43.09 | itchi | liable: Sure |
| 13:43.21 | nantes_geek | itchi: ok, i have test to change with vim from 1024x768 to 800x600 but the screen is cut half |
| 13:44.30 | itchi | liable: Honesty, i prefer that gnome one for that. Not that i use it, but xterm |
| 13:44.30 | abrotman | Assid: ask #kernel .. debian provides perfectly wonderful kernels for you .. if you want to compile your own .. ask #kernel |
| 13:44.30 | itchi | :-p |
| 13:44.30 | repyskichboarder | hello abrotman |
| 13:44.35 | abrotman | uh .. hi |
| 13:44.40 | itchi | Assid: You need to have a good reason to make a custom one. |
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| 13:44.51 | liable | no you dont |
| 13:44.58 | massaki | itchi, thx dude |
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| 13:45.15 | liable | itchi: are you sure it has tabs? |
| 13:45.42 | py_ | itchi: thanks, I was able to explode the package to see its content. But there is no debian/rules file at all. Should I look at the source package? |
| 13:45.46 | itchi | liable: I'm not blind or crazy i hope, it's open here and i have 2 tabs |
| 13:45.50 | Assid | better speed ? |
| 13:46.15 | Assid | trying to figure out if i get any performance improvement for the xeon 3060 using MCORE2 as the processor |
| 13:46.18 | marsje | I have a problem... after some reshuffeling with drives on my debian server, samba doesn't seem to work anyway. When I try to copy a file to my Win2k box, the progress stays at 0% |
| 13:46.21 | itchi | py_: Yup, made it 'good' heh |
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| 13:46.34 | itchi | liable: Did you try it? |
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| 13:46.43 | abrotman | Assid: jesus .. ask #kernel .. how the hell would we know? |
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| 13:47.02 | Assid | yeah im asking there |
| 13:47.02 | tarzeau | Assid: try it and find out? then tell us |
| 13:47.08 | liable | itchi: i have some xorg issues with fglrx atm, i am purging stuff so i can install shit |
| 13:47.12 | abrotman | do i get bonus points for using 'hell' and 'jesus' in the same line ? |
| 13:47.13 | itchi | Assid: Us are not kernel experts heh |
| 13:47.18 | tarzeau | liable: you too? |
| 13:47.25 | tarzeau | abrotman: no |
| 13:47.27 | Assid | hehe |
| 13:47.29 | itchi | liable: But it have tabs, trust me ;-) |
| 13:47.44 | liable | tarzeau: for about 3 weeks now, since xorg7.2 |
| 13:47.48 | itchi | tarzeau liable : sid? |
| 13:47.58 | tarzeau | liable: haha, 3 weeks no brutalchess ? horrible |
| 13:48.02 | liable | itchi: i will try it in a minute |
| 13:48.05 | tarzeau | itchi: i've got sid and nvidia, all is fast |
| 13:48.13 | sneex | almost makes me want to switch to ubuntu \= ... almost. |
| 13:48.23 | tarzeau | liable: yesterday someone else had the same problem fglrx on sid |
| 13:48.26 | itchi | I use the 'intel' driver on Sid, works fine here |
| 13:48.31 | tarzeau | sneex: what? |
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| 13:48.44 | tarzeau | itchi: i use the nvidia binary driver, works fine for me |
| 13:48.57 | tarzeau | liable: Seb |
| 13:49.05 | sneex | old Cali Dig servers and old VA Linux servers lol |
| 13:49.19 | liable | tarzeau: i have been relagated to vesa |
| 13:49.29 | liable | relegated... |
| 13:49.31 | tarzeau | liable: poor you, but it shouldn't be too hard to fix |
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| 13:50.22 | liable | tarzeau: its not, i just have had -core manually downgraded, but the debian devs in there wisdom have made it impossible to hold due to dependancies that shouldnt exist |
| 13:50.29 | nantes_geek | is there a command line tools to configure the display in order of vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf :) |
| 13:50.44 | itchi | Just that some icons are missing, i need to know how i can change the icon theme of fluxbox heh |
| 13:50.52 | sep | !drxx |
| 13:50.52 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 13:51.02 | itchi | nantes_geek: See /msg dpkg drxx |
| 13:51.08 | liable | tarzeau: Seb? |
| 13:51.08 | itchi | oeps |
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| 13:51.18 | tarzeau | liable: he's got the same problem as you |
| 13:51.24 | sobersabre | how do I make pc-speaker to ring ? |
| 13:51.33 | liable | tarzeau: oh |
| 13:51.35 | tarzeau | liable: that's why i don't use debian nvidia drivers :) |
| 13:51.37 | sobersabre | ( echo -e "\a" ) is not the best thing... |
| 13:51.48 | sobersabre | I prefer to be able to control the frequency... |
| 13:51.49 | sep | sobersabre, the beep command ? |
| 13:51.54 | yeager_ | sobersabre, beep |
| 13:51.54 | itchi | sep: Make a cron job :-p |
| 13:52.12 | abrotman | !beer |
| 13:52.12 | dpkg | beer is probably liquid gold mate |
| 13:52.13 | sep | itchi, ? |
| 13:52.14 | abrotman | !beep |
| 13:52.14 | dpkg | well, beep is /exec -o echo -ne "\007". A generic application level transport, with multiple channels over TCP and a nice standard auth section + many other goodies, see www.beepcore.org for more info, or apt-get install beep, or ^G, or a buggy xmms gtk2 port |
| 13:52.20 | liable | tarzeau: i dont use debian fglrx ones either, but the driver installer is broken in how it checks for xorg version |
| 13:52.23 | itchi | sep: A joke :-p |
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| 13:53.57 | itchi | abrotman: You showed how much you are addicted to beer :-) |
| 13:54.01 | sobersabre | sep: beep uses pcm out |
| 13:54.06 | sobersabre | I mean ALSA device |
| 13:54.09 | abrotman | itchi: i didn't even have any last night! |
| 13:54.11 | sobersabre | I want to use pc-speaker. |
| 13:54.21 | sobersabre | not the audio card's output. |
| 13:54.24 | itchi | abrotman: ow, you have emtpy the fridge :-) |
| 13:54.25 | nantes_geek | itchi: i have done dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 13:54.32 | sep | sobersabre, not on my computer |
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| 13:54.44 | abrotman | itchi: i don't keep beer at home |
| 13:54.48 | itchi | bartden: bart en david? |
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| 13:54.57 | sep | sobersabre, i guess it might be configured to use alsa. but it surely is not here. |
| 13:55.01 | sobersabre | I am listening to some techno... suddenly a BEEEEEP came out of it. |
| 13:55.06 | sobersabre | :) |
| 13:55.07 | itchi | abrotman: Yeah, there's not enought alcohol in it hehe |
| 13:55.07 | liable | abrotman: you what? |
| 13:55.24 | sobersabre | sep: thanks, I'll try to find out if this is possible, |
| 13:55.31 | itchi | I need fresh orange juice for my Pisang Ambon! |
| 13:55.47 | liable | you should see a doctor about that |
| 13:55.52 | itchi | That's too god as drank :-) |
| 13:55.57 | itchi | good* |
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| 13:57.10 | abrotman | liable: i'd drink it all .. i have wine at home though |
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| 13:57.22 | uyohm | Hi ! With what command would I start up e.g. bitchx in a console ? |
| 13:57.40 | abrotman | you'd .. type 'BitchX' or whatever it is |
| 13:57.47 | itchi | uyohm: Look what files where installed with that package dpkg -l foo |
| 13:57.52 | abrotman | -L |
| 13:57.55 | itchi | uyohm: Sorry capital L |
| 13:57.57 | itchi | yeah :-p |
| 13:58.12 | itchi | pppff, my keyboard is drunken :-p |
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| 13:59.02 | uyohm | itchy , yes I know , but I mean I want to type it from a terminal , to open it in another terminal ,mb bitchx was a bad example , let's say TOP or HTOP |
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| 13:59.33 | itchi | HaHaWhatsUp: Man! still there as root user |
| 13:59.38 | liable | to open in another term? |
| 13:59.50 | liable | uyohm: $term foocmd |
| 14:00.03 | itchi | That's a bot, that's impossible otherwise |
| 14:00.12 | abrotman | or stupid human |
| 14:00.21 | uyohm | itchi : something like "xterm -> htop"so xterm will launch htop active |
| 14:00.34 | itchi | I'm not for insults, but ... sometimes ... |
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| 14:01.09 | uyohm | liablle : lol it's that simple :) thanks |
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| 14:02.48 | pdf | But what happens when the CD isnt an boot on system start cd. then what :} |
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| 14:03.02 | abrotman | pdf: huh ? |
| 14:03.11 | Arafangion | Indeed. |
| 14:03.14 | Arafangion | pdf: Huh? |
| 14:03.19 | pdf | abrotman: sorry. i am still talking about yesterday. sorry |
| 14:03.25 | abrotman | that's some lag |
| 14:03.28 | pdf | lol |
| 14:03.29 | pdf | yea |
| 14:03.37 | Arafangion | Especially if one has to *join* for that... |
| 14:03.41 | pdf | haha |
| 14:03.47 | jelly | How do I replicate aptitude state from one installation to another? |
| 14:03.58 | itchi | jelly: The installed packages? |
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| 14:04.02 | abrotman | !debian clone |
| 14:04.02 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". |
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| 14:04.23 | fengor | !tell jelly about fai |
| 14:04.35 | abrotman | what does fai have to do with that? |
| 14:04.47 | jelly | ... starting from base system, I want to clone the state (ie. install all the packages) to another. This is a one-shot job. |
| 14:04.48 | pdf | My original question was how can I remove debian and install a windows os. the windows cd I have, isnt an boot @ startup type cd. So I am wondering what can be done if I am the gui of debian. |
| 14:05.00 | fengor | cant you take a fai script to deploy several identical configurations aka clones |
| 14:05.02 | Arafangion | abrotman: That entry really should have "copy /etc, /var, /home..." |
| 14:05.08 | abrotman | Arafangion: not really |
| 14:05.14 | jelly | fengor: does fai keep aptitude state? |
| 14:05.20 | abrotman | it's just to clone the package list |
| 14:05.35 | fengor | ok jelly then abrotmans suggestion is better |
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| 14:05.39 | sneex | pdf: are you saying that you cannot use Windows to over write a Debian install or that the Windows CD isnt bootable? |
| 14:05.42 | Arafangion | abrotman: Oh, sorry, yeah, missed the start of the discussion :) |
| 14:06.07 | jelly | abrotman: get-selections doesn't know about aptitude's packages marked auto |
| 14:06.12 | pdf | sneex: Cannot use windows to over write a debian install. is the closest i can let you know. cause i really am not sure |
| 14:06.19 | abrotman | jelly: ah .. hrm |
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| 14:06.29 | jelly | abrotman: ideally I want something like that, but for aptitude |
| 14:06.36 | sneex | is the system capable of booting off the Windows CD? |
| 14:06.47 | pdf | sneex: the system is, the cd isnt. |
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| 14:07.14 | sneex | then this isnt a debian issue -- however see terabyteunlimited.com for a possible answer |
| 14:07.38 | pdf | sneex: i thought i told you it wasnt when i joined :( sorry |
| 14:07.58 | sneex | I missed that -- sorry see terabyteunlimited anyways ;-) |
| 14:08.01 | jelly | abrotman: meh, I'll try copying /var/lib/aptitude/pkgstates and see what happens... it's a text file. |
| 14:08.13 | abrotman | sounds reasonable |
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| 14:09.22 | jetscreamer | i should sell gpl software |
| 14:09.23 | ustunozgur | pdf: are you sure it isn't bootable? |
| 14:09.27 | abrotman | why is my aptitude man page buggered .. but not others ... |
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| 14:09.33 | ustunozgur | maybe it is booting from harddisk first. |
| 14:09.41 | jetscreamer | try man craptitude... :p] |
| 14:09.55 | pdf | ustunozgur: well. debian booted the first time i got it in the mail |
| 14:10.02 | pdf | ustunozgur: the system i mean |
| 14:10.05 | abrotman | jetscreamer: oddly .. it goes right to the man page for dselect |
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| 14:10.14 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 14:10.21 | jetscreamer | nice bug |
| 14:10.22 | ustunozgur | no, I mean, the bios might be configured to boot to harddisk first. |
| 14:10.31 | ustunozgur | go to Bios and select boot priority. |
| 14:10.33 | jelly | jetscreamer: aptitude's manual is somewhat broken |
| 14:10.35 | jetscreamer | that's not right though |
| 14:10.42 | abrotman | jelly: yours is too ? |
| 14:10.43 | itchi | abrotman: Which release? |
| 14:10.44 | jetscreamer | jelly: you mean abrotman |
| 14:10.47 | abrotman | itchi: etch |
| 14:11.02 | jelly | jetscreamer: you said to man craptitude |
| 14:11.03 | ustunozgur | pdf: ah, you mean debian cd. |
| 14:11.07 | itchi | abrotman: Works fine here |
| 14:11.19 | jelly | abrotman: I see literal \fB \fR on screen for some reason |
| 14:11.26 | abrotman | itchi: scroll down a bit .. the top is fine .. bottom is broken |
| 14:11.27 | jetscreamer | jelly: i was just kidding... i used aptitude once, when it first came into sid |
| 14:11.28 | abrotman | jelly: me too |
| 14:11.39 | itchi | abrotman: Yes, it's borked :-s |
| 14:11.46 | abrotman | see ..it's not just me! |
| 14:11.48 | itchi | abrotman: Like you told |
| 14:11.56 | itchi | abrotman: The top is right |
| 14:12.05 | itchi | abrotman: Same on sid btw |
| 14:12.14 | jetscreamer | i did --with-depends --with-suggests , resinstalled debian clean, and never touched aptitude again |
| 14:12.30 | jelly | jetscreamer: sucker! |
| 14:12.32 | pdf | ustunozgur: so it just happens i had to go into the boot menu and click the CD ROM DRIVE :) |
| 14:12.39 | pdf | ustunozgur: thanks for putting up with my dumbness |
| 14:12.54 | itchi | wtf, even stable have it |
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| 14:13.57 | abrotman | jelly: itchi: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=416232 |
| 14:14.04 | ustunozgur | pdf: np. |
| 14:14.14 | itchi | abrotman: Just saw it on the same time :-) |
| 14:14.26 | abrotman | !info aptitude sid |
| 14:14.28 | dpkg | aptitude: (terminal-based apt frontend), section admin, is important. Version: 0.4.4-4 (sid), Packaged size: 2805 kB, Installed size: 8368 kB |
| 14:14.28 | jelly | abrotman: reportbug-ng is nice |
| 14:14.28 | aptitude | dpkg: what are you talking about? |
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| 14:14.36 | bwlang | i have a old package... (networker) that depends on xlibs which no longer exists... I installed it with --force-depends, but now i have to remove it everytime i want to install something else. what can i do? |
| 14:14.38 | abrotman | ah .. fix not in sid yet |
| 14:14.45 | abrotman | jelly: haven't used it yet |
| 14:15.00 | itchi | abrotman: Yeah, sid is still affected :-s |
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| 14:16.20 | itchi | www-data: heh |
| 14:16.22 | www-data | hello, how can i find out what kind of memory is on a box (sdr,ddr,ddr2) ? |
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| 14:16.59 | rahul | read thespecs for the motherboard |
| 14:17.36 | jelly | abrotman: reportbug-ng aptitude, type in "man" in filter and you can immediately see a couple more bugs that probably ought to be merged |
| 14:17.39 | bwlang | www-data: try dmidecode |
| 14:18.02 | www-data | rahul is there a way to find out the type of mother board without opening the case ? |
| 14:18.09 | rahul | www-data: not reliably |
| 14:18.14 | rahul | hwinfo might help |
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| 14:19.42 | Arafangion | www-data: Generally, no. |
| 14:20.15 | pdf | Arafangion: untrue |
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| 14:21.06 | abrotman | jelly: my home machine is still on etch .. so i don't have it yet |
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| 14:21.37 | liable | stupid fglrx driver cant even write the config file so it works when fglrx is missing |
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| 14:21.47 | liable | !lart ati |
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| 14:24.55 | itchi | That's a bunch of reports for the same trouble heh |
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| 14:25.35 | niksie | Hi all |
| 14:27.11 | itchi | jelly: Thanks for that reportbug-ng hint heh |
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| 14:27.11 | niksie | I'm having a few problems with my ICH7 card and evms raid, when I remove the disk /dev/sdb disappears, but when I plug it back in it comes back as /dev/sdc |
| 14:27.11 | itchi | Kinda nice tool |
| 14:27.11 | niksie | and then /dev/sdd etc. |
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| 14:29.21 | sobersabre | sep: thanks! |
| 14:29.24 | sobersabre | It works |
| 14:29.38 | sobersabre | do-re-mi-fa-sol-la-si-do- |
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| 14:29.40 | sobersabre | :) |
| 14:29.52 | microtux | sobersabre, enjoy !!!! |
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| 14:34.56 | liable | should be in .22 (mac80211) |
| 14:35.02 | liable | doh |
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| 14:35.58 | liable | i really like the restore seesion thing in firefox |
| 14:36.04 | liable | session* |
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| 14:36.21 | itchi | liable: Yeah! |
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| 14:38.11 | py_ | the file bluez-libs_3.9-1.diff I extracted from the original package contains complete files for the debian/ of that package. How can I recreate them all from that file (I have no originals to patch, theyr-re fully inside the diff)? |
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| 14:40.21 | possie | SCSI doesn't use CHS right? i'm wondering though how i could find out how much Cylinders/heads and sectors my SCSI disk has |
| 14:40.28 | possie | CHS addressing i mean |
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| 14:42.05 | peterS | possie: it's like ATA - you _can_ find out what the drive chooses to tell you about CHS, but the drive will probably just produce fake numbers to satisfy legacy OSes that need them. try 'fdisk -l /dev/sda' |
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| 14:42.55 | peterS | possie: one of my disks says "255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 30401 cylinders" which is rather ridiculous if you think about it: 255 heads implies 128 physical platters, one side of which is unused (: |
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| 14:43.20 | peterS | and I can guarantee you that the hard disk in my computer does _not_ have 128 discs of spinning metal in it |
| 14:43.21 | py_ | hum, figured it: patch < diff_file does it all |
| 14:43.51 | jelly | peterS: the one-unused side part isn't so ridiculous, though |
| 14:44.18 | peterS | jelly: yeah, well, there still aren't gonna be more than about 4 platters in my half height drive |
| 14:44.30 | jelly | t'course |
| 14:44.33 | possie | peterS, that is exactly why i'm asking since fdisk -l /dev/sda for my scsi disk results "102 heads, 33 sectors/track, 10648 cylinders" |
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| 14:44.49 | possie | peterS, 102 heads, is like 51 platters :-) |
| 14:44.51 | Ronin | !tell sneex about root |
| 14:46.23 | rahul | possie: LBA. |
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| 14:46.28 | peterS | possie: right. hard drives lie. MS-DOS partition tables, and legacy OSes, need to have CHS geometry - but in reality, there are a variable number of sectors per track depending on inside / outside of the disk, and BIOS limitations don't let you talk about more than 65535 tracks, which I think disks exceeded some time ago. so what the drive says is worthless |
| 14:46.36 | rahul | heads/sectors/cylinders is not used these days |
| 14:47.06 | peterS | rahul: _some_ CHS number has to appear in the partition table, since that table has cylinder numbers in it for partition boundaries |
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| 14:47.15 | elohayelohim | ? better? |
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| 14:47.31 | iKernel | hi again |
| 14:47.35 | rahul | peterS: but the CHS is not used as CHS |
| 14:47.39 | peterS | right |
| 14:47.46 | rahul | it needs to be consistent for the pariiton table, yes |
| 14:47.50 | jelly | rahul: still, sfdisk & friends complain of you don't align the partitions to the imaginary CHS |
| 14:47.57 | rahul | yeah |
| 14:48.09 | possie | peterS, the thing i'm acctually tring to find out is, how much bytes there is on my disk per track |
| 14:48.11 | iKernel | Guys, is there a quick way I can convert all filenames in a directory to lowercase? |
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| 14:48.38 | rahul | possie: that's often variable anyway |
| 14:48.41 | peterS | possie: and I'm saying that in reality, that is variable - like a CDROM, inside tracks store less data than outside tracks. the drive couldn't tell the truth even if it wanted to |
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| 14:49.00 | cydork | iKernel: man rename |
| 14:49.02 | jelly | rahul: also, there is decent fun to have if BIOS imagines one CHS and an OS (say, Linux) or a tool assumes another :-) |
| 14:49.06 | rahul | yeah |
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| 14:49.15 | rahul | I alreay said it needs to be consistent :) |
| 14:49.15 | possie | rahul, because the tracks on the outer ring are larger compared to the inner track? |
| 14:49.19 | rahul | possie: yes |
| 14:49.26 | iKernel | cydork, thanks |
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| 14:49.57 | itchi | I have some troubles with any CD burning app :-( it worked fine before but now gnomebaker, k3b still hangs without any error :-( |
| 14:49.58 | peterS | possie: data is stored in more or less "constant linear velocity" instead of "constant angular velocity". although of course the drive motor doesn't attempt to speed up or slow down for accesses. |
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| 14:50.20 | possie | rahul, for CD-ROM's i know this, since cd-rom driver uses .... (exactly what peterS is saying right now) "constant linear velocity" |
| 14:50.20 | roby | What standard hex editing tool is available in Linux? if no standard what alternative packages are there? |
| 14:50.26 | iKernel | cydork, I've read the man real quick, and it gave me syntax to do it |
| 14:50.30 | iKernel | cydork, but... kernel@debian:~/Desktop/Downloads/JFDUKE3D$ rename ’y/A-Z/a-z/’ * |
| 14:50.30 | iKernel | Unrecognized character \xE2 at (eval 1) line 1. |
| 14:50.45 | possie | peterS, so this also works for harddrives? i thought only cd-rom drives did this |
| 14:51.11 | cydork | iKernel: use ' instead of ’ |
| 14:51.20 | iKernel | k |
| 14:51.25 | peterS | possie: right. more or less - I don't know that it's exact CLV, I think the drive has regions, each region has a given CAV rate |
| 14:51.44 | iKernel | cydork, lol, thought it already was ' |
| 14:52.03 | peterS | iKernel: or for that matter omit the '' entirely (: |
| 14:52.22 | possie | peterS, so in physical size sectors have the same size anywhere on the disk? |
| 14:52.50 | peterS | possie: as I said, I don't think it's exact. but yeah, bit density is approximately the same everywhere |
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| 14:53.10 | peterS | how many bits per square mm, that is |
| 14:53.24 | iKernel | YES |
| 14:53.26 | itchi | How do you get that other ' ^ ? |
| 14:53.31 | Decepticon | how do i check what version of debian i have |
| 14:53.33 | iKernel | finally got JFDuke3D working on linux |
| 14:53.35 | iKernel | *phew* |
| 14:53.37 | cydork | Decepticon: /msg dpkg version |
| 14:53.44 | Decepticon | huh |
| 14:53.56 | Decepticon | okay thanks |
| 14:54.10 | bubux | while installing scribes in Debian Etch i got: "Version 2.10.0 or better of GTK needed."... =( Is tehre a easy and secure way to install gtk 2.10 without messing with my nice os? |
| 14:54.25 | itchi | That's what i have ´'` But how can i get that other one like iKernel |
| 14:54.28 | peterS | possie: then there is the fact that modern drive firmware remaps sectors as they are going bad, so occasionally you ask for sector 62374673 and you get 63648732 instead and you never know unless you're paying very very close attention to read times |
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| 14:55.03 | iKernel | itchi, it's unicode |
| 14:55.11 | peterS | possie: (the drive has a certain number of spare sectors when it is low-level formatted, and a mapping table stored somewhere) |
| 14:55.13 | possie | peterS, but LBA would always give you the same sector right? |
| 14:55.51 | itchi | iKernel: That not say me much :-s |
| 14:55.53 | bubux | how long wll it take for gtk2.10+ to be in debian etch repositories? |
| 14:55.57 | peterS | possie: the disk is a black box, you ask for 62374673 and you get whatever you last wrote to 62374673. but if 62374673 happened to be going bad at some point and the drive noticed, it may have copied the data elsewhere and may be giving it to you from elsewhere now |
| 14:56.10 | itchi | iKernel: I guess i need to bind a key to it |
| 14:56.18 | iKernel | itchi, yep |
| 14:56.34 | possie | peterS, but this type or remapping would only work when using LBA addressing right? |
| 14:56.36 | iKernel | itchi, I'm suprised that you do not know what unicode is :D |
| 14:56.51 | itchi | iKernel: I know, but not that much about it |
| 14:57.08 | possie | peterS, since a filesystem would still try to write/read to/from sector 62374673 |
| 14:57.15 | iKernel | itchi, unicode gives you heaps of different characters that you won't find on keyboard... there's even a picture of a skull in the unicode set |
| 14:57.36 | iKernel | itchi, ’ is one of the special unicode characters |
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| 14:57.56 | itchi | iKernel: I use UTF-8 here |
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| 14:58.06 | suppaman | hi |
| 14:58.23 | iKernel | suppaman, can I have some suppa? :D |
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| 14:58.42 | suppaman | sure |
| 14:58.44 | itchi | iKernel: I not yet have look that deep i need to tell |
| 14:58.50 | suppaman | take as much as you wish |
| 14:58.58 | nantes_geek | itchi: it's ok for my display |
| 14:59.09 | nantes_geek | itchi: the monitor frequence is 75 |
| 14:59.09 | itchi | nantes_geek: Good job! :-) |
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| 14:59.13 | suppaman | and can I see who's generating traffic on a 6 computer ethernet lan ? |
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| 14:59.17 | nantes_geek | itchi: thanks for your help |
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| 14:59.23 | peterS | possie: a CHS access is converted to LBA by the drive firmware, so it works out exactly the same |
| 14:59.23 | itchi | nantes_geek: No probs ;-) |
| 14:59.28 | suppaman | by reading tcp packets I mean |
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| 14:59.46 | possie | peterS, wasn't it the other way around? LBA to CHS ? |
| 14:59.47 | iKernel | cydork, how would I make it so it converts all files matching an extension to upper case? |
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| 15:00.21 | cydork | iKernel: it uses perl regex. |
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| 15:00.31 | iKernel | cydork, I know, I don't know perl |
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| 15:01.11 | iKernel | cydork, the best thing I've done with perl was made an oh dear you are dead banner |
| 15:01.31 | iKernel | cydork, the words Oh dear you are dead surrounded by skulls to form a rectangle |
| 15:01.39 | itchi | iKernel: So unicode is 'better' as UTF-8? |
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| 15:01.52 | iKernel | itchi, I don't understand you. |
| 15:02.06 | py_ | running "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot" keeps saying "dpkg-buildpackage: source version is 3.7-1", and I'm building 3.10.1. Where do I change that? |
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| 15:02.12 | itchi | iKernel: Is unicode better as UTF-8? |
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| 15:02.24 | iKernel | itchi, I don't understand you. |
| 15:02.36 | iKernel | itchi, I think unicode and UTF-8 are the same thing? |
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| 15:02.49 | itchi | iKernel: Near, if i been understand |
| 15:02.59 | iKernel | itchi, I don't understand you. |
| 15:03.08 | itchi | iKernel: I'm reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicode |
| 15:03.42 | iKernel | itchi, read it then, and answer the questions that you want answered by reading the text :) |
| 15:03.52 | iKernel | bored |
| 15:05.04 | itchi | iKernel: It's a bit vague for me :-s I think that unicode is better and not have that multilanguage trouble, what UTF-8 still have |
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| 15:06.08 | rgsteele | Hey guys. I have a box that, after installing/configuring heartbeat and drbd, hangs during boot with the last line being "raid0: Allocating 4 bytes for hash." I'm not sure what HB/DRBD would do do put a snag in things with regards to the RAID, though. |
| 15:06.27 | rgsteele | Any idea what the kernel is actually trying to do there? |
| 15:06.50 | suppaman | is there a way I can look how much traffic are other computers on ethernet generating ? |
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| 15:07.12 | cydork | iKernel: rename 'y/a-z/A-Z/' *.ext |
| 15:07.19 | cydork | suppaman: ntop? jnettop? |
| 15:09.16 | tarzeau | suppaman: netstat? iptraf? |
| 15:09.17 | itchi | suppaman: iptraf? |
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| 15:09.18 | itchi | Ow, was already said :-p |
| 15:09.18 | suppaman | woa |
| 15:09.19 | suppaman | a lot |
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| 15:09.19 | iKernel | cydork, nvm |
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| 15:09.21 | itchi | But i'm still confused dpkg-reconfigure locales not show me some unicode characters set |
| 15:09.27 | py_ | running ./configure for a package, what's the option to configure it to be compiled with debugging support? |
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| 15:09.49 | twitchnln | good morning everyone |
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| 15:10.13 | twitchnln | i have a question, has anyone ever setup multilink ppp over multiple ipsec tunnels? |
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| 15:13.08 | itchi | !tell MrWup about root |
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| 15:13.43 | abrotman | he should know better :) |
| 15:13.59 | iKernel | okay... got JFDuke3D working... got midi playback for it working... now, I must get HRP working |
| 15:14.01 | itchi | But i gues that i have full unicode if i can use characters like this -> ↑ <- ? |
| 15:14.25 | iKernel | and to do that, I must install nvidia drivers |
| 15:14.30 | itchi | abrotman: That's still the same user, right? |
| 15:14.51 | iKernel | (and make damn sure I have nv_pat_disable=1 or x server won't start) |
| 15:15.01 | abrotman | itchi: i don't think so |
| 15:15.09 | amerej | is installing xfce easy on etch ? |
| 15:15.11 | abrotman | itchi: different IP |
| 15:15.19 | abrotman | aptitude install xfce x-window-system |
| 15:15.20 | amerej | replacing gnome |
| 15:15.21 | itchi | abrotman: I not more rember the ip :-) |
| 15:15.28 | abrotman | itchi: /lastlog root |
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| 15:15.43 | jelly | amerej: just install xfce4 |
| 15:15.53 | itchi | abrotman: Right |
| 15:15.58 | jelly | abrotman: s/xfce/xfce4/ |
| 15:16.04 | abrotman | oh yeah .. |
| 15:16.07 | amerej | is it going to replace gnome or i'll have them both after ? |
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| 15:16.24 | itchi | abrotman: I should more make use of /lastlog :-) |
| 15:16.36 | itchi | My english sucks today heh :-) |
| 15:17.15 | peterS | possie: (sorry for delay, was on the phone.) if you ask my disk for CHS (3253,5,40), it internally converts it to sector 52259800 and handles it, then converts that number back to (3253,5,40). internally, sector 52259800 might mean any address - I don't know how the mapping table inside the disk works in that regard, given variable sectors per track. anyway, that is what I meant. |
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| 15:19.41 | abrotman | phone ? |
| 15:19.47 | abrotman | itchi: i noticed |
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| 15:20.20 | possie | peterS, np for the delay, it's really (at least i find it so) interesting information al that low-level stuff :-) |
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| 15:22.21 | ustunozgur | amerej: both. |
| 15:22.34 | ustunozgur | you will select which one in gdm |
| 15:23.43 | roland_ | when i try to kill init (eg. killall init or kill -HUP init) what happens? |
| 15:24.08 | liable | roland_: the kernel wont let you |
| 15:24.10 | Arafangion | roland_: Same thing that happens at the end of 'shutdown -h now' |
| 15:24.21 | peterS | possie: what's really funny is that modern filesystems are not organised for CHS addresses anyway - the filesystem has its own linear addresses for numbering its blocks. so a legacy OS that uses CHS has to convert its linear filesystem addresses not only into physical LBA addresses, but _then_ convert those into CHS, using exactly the same multiplication/division that the drive will be doing at the other end of the cable. ... |
| 15:24.27 | peterS | ... fortunately, Linux doesn't go through that nonsense (: |
| 15:24.30 | jelly | roland_: man init |
| 15:24.54 | jelly | liable: kernel only won't let him SIGKILL it |
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| 15:28.10 | py_ | I can I check if a library (or an executable) as been built with debugging symbols included? |
| 15:28.13 | lepton | I killed process 1 once. the machine rebooted. |
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| 15:29.49 | peterS | py_: yeah, 'file' will tell you "stripped" or "not stripped" |
| 15:29.59 | fakir | Hi, what is the repository used to install xfce 4.4.1 ?? THX |
| 15:30.02 | py_ | peterS, thanks! |
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| 15:30.36 | kie27 | greetings all, having some problems with multisync, i killed the process with ctrl-c and now it wont start up again, just seems to hang, i have treid uninstalling and reinstalling it with apt-get and removing .multisync directory but still no difference, any suggestions please... |
| 15:31.12 | peterS | py_: though that doesn't tell you everything: there are things other than debugging symbols which can be stripped / not stripped. so to find out whether debug symbols are present you'd have to use some objdump command - I don't know offhand which one, probably 'objdump -h' |
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| 15:32.18 | peterS | py_: ...yeah, objdump -h lists the section names, and if you have debug info you will have several sections whose names start with ".debug_". if not, you won't. |
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| 15:33.10 | py_ | peterS: very nice from you, exactly what I was looking for, and thanks for the background info around :-) |
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| 15:34.15 | DasKabel | G'day |
| 15:34.36 | liable | g'day knackers |
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| 15:35.25 | DasKabel | an error occurs after loggin in through the graphical login : Cannot find or run base session script. Will try the GNOME failsave session" |
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| 15:35.54 | py_ | peterS: ok, so the binaries inside the debs I just built are stripped... I added DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS := --enable-debug, but it seems they were stripped afterwards... Do you know I can prevent this to happen? |
| 15:36.09 | DasKabel | what is this "base session script" I haven't heared about before? |
| 15:36.12 | turffy | hi Im trying to untar vmware-server but when trying to untar it i get an error I will post it under #flood the error, any idea the md5sum is ok |
| 15:36.19 | peterS | py_: export DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nostrip |
| 15:36.35 | peterS | py_: or, 'DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nostrip dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -b' |
| 15:36.53 | textqq | how to use java1.5 in etch?will it confilt gcj |
| 15:37.10 | turffy | i have done this before same process |
| 15:37.24 | peterS | py_: I'm guessing your package uses debhelper, like most packages do, and runs 'dh_strip' somewhere. if so, dh_strip obeys DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nostrip and refrains from stripping the executables in that case |
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| 15:37.50 | turffy | tar xvzf VMware-server... |
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| 15:38.42 | DasKabel | an error occurs after loggin in through the graphical login : Cannot find or run base session script. Will try the GNOME failsave session" |
| 15:38.56 | ustunozgur | Hi, I have bash-completion installed, and activated; however when I type ssh , my trusted hosts don't show up. Any idea why? |
| 15:39.00 | DasKabel | anyone knows that one? |
| 15:39.26 | stew | ustunozgur: becuase your .ssh/known_hosts is hashed? |
| 15:40.18 | cydork | ustunozgur: man ssh_config |
| 15:41.16 | ustunozgur | stew: if you mean a page of encrypted stuff by hashed, then yes. |
| 15:41.25 | turffy | hi i just posted the error i get while trying to untar vmware-server, I have done this before some process i have hust formated my hd to install some os deb4 but I got this error posted in #flood |
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| 15:41.48 | amerej | on installgui i opened a console (ctrl+alt+2) and i cant return to the gui using ctrl+alt+1 it displays some gdk command lines |
| 15:41.52 | stew | ustunozgur: you can change your .ssh/config so that new entries that are added to known_hosts won't be hashed |
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| 15:42.52 | ustunozgur | man page says the default is No for hash? OK, will try that stew, thanks. |
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| 15:44.36 | gordboy | i have an rpm that i wish to convert with alien. but i want to change the logical package name too. is there an easy way to do this ? |
| 15:44.36 | ustunozgur | stew: thanks, it worked. :) |
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| 15:44.37 | stew | ustunozgur: then it is set to yes in either .ssh/config or /etc/ssh/ssh_config |
| 15:44.39 | DasKabel | does debian work with xorg? |
| 15:44.44 | DasKabel | I just wonder |
| 15:44.51 | stew | DasKabel: yes |
| 15:44.54 | Ronin | DasKabel: i sure hope so |
| 15:45.12 | DasKabel | humm... |
| 15:45.19 | stew | DasKabel: starting with the currently stable, xorg is the only xserver debian is shipping |
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| 15:47.33 | DasKabel | @stew: I did a dist-upgrade and can't login anymore |
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| 15:47.48 | chupie | i just installed debian on my laptop, its a dell inspiron 1300, i noticed it running a little hot and the cpu fan doesn't kick on.. i checked the trip points, and its only set to critical @ 105 C, is this the only time the fan will turn on at all? |
| 15:48.17 | abrotman | okay, have any of you seen rndc refusing to start? |
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| 15:48.33 | DasKabel | what I did, I replaced xfree with xorg |
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| 15:48.45 | stew | DasKabel: you upgraded from sarge to etch? |
| 15:49.02 | amerej | after opening a console on installgui how can i return to gui ? |
| 15:49.28 | atealtha | chupie: installed acpid? |
| 15:49.36 | DasKabel | no idea, just did a dist-upgrade that probably did that |
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| 15:50.02 | textqq | amerej,alt+ctrl+f7 |
| 15:50.17 | chupie | atealtha: yeah, it says it is installed |
| 15:50.24 | atealtha | chupie: and it's running? |
| 15:50.56 | amerej | textqq: thanks it was f5 :) |
| 15:51.02 | chupie | and to check that i do? |
| 15:51.29 | atealtha | ps ax | grep acpid |
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| 15:52.14 | chupie | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:52.14 | chupie | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:52.14 | chupie | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:52.32 | atealtha | heh |
| 15:52.33 | ustunozgur | do I need courier/exim4 if I am not doing anything related to email serving? |
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| 15:52.50 | chupie | oops |
| 15:52.51 | chupie | heh |
| 15:52.59 | DasKabel | an error occurs after loggin in through the graphical login : Cannot find or run base session script. Will try the GNOME failsave session" |
| 15:53.02 | abrotman | ustunozgur: you don't need courier .. but exim is for delivering mail |
| 15:53.10 | DasKabel | that's the result of ugrading dist |
| 15:53.38 | DasKabel | anyone an idea what is meant by "base session script" |
| 15:53.40 | ustunozgur | abrotman: then I don't need exim, either, right? |
| 15:53.51 | abrotman | it's a good idea to have it |
| 15:53.53 | DasKabel | have no clue found in the docs |
| 15:53.56 | abrotman | !why an smtp server |
| 15:53.59 | abrotman | hrm ... |
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| 15:54.03 | abrotman | it's in there somewhere |
| 15:54.10 | chupie | atealtha: well it looks to be running |
| 15:54.16 | atealtha | yeah |
| 15:54.21 | atealtha | my expertise ends there, sorry |
| 15:54.32 | itchi | If i start some apps, i get an error 'The configuration could not be loaded\n You are not allowed to access the system configuration.' What happend? |
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| 15:55.13 | ustunozgur | abrotman: why? I only use web-based emails, I mean gmail etc. |
| 15:55.21 | abrotman | to deliver to you! |
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| 15:57.07 | kie27 | ok, multisync seems to run ok as root, but not as normal user |
| 15:57.21 | kie27 | ciao for now |
| 15:57.29 | ustunozgur | abrotman: sorry, I didn't get it. To deliver my mails to me? You mean, if I have my own server |
| 15:57.38 | abrotman | for cron jobs etc |
| 15:58.05 | cydork | ustunozgur: /msg dpkg why an mta |
| 15:58.13 | Ronin | ustunozgur: it will run without one buts highly not recommanded, like abrotman said you need to for cron alerts etc |
| 15:58.22 | abrotman | now fix my bind! |
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| 15:58.54 | abrotman | not funny |
| 15:58.54 | ustunozgur | ah, ok, thanks. |
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| 15:59.08 | abrotman | it just decided that rndc can't bind to the port anymore |
| 15:59.30 | ustunozgur | so you suggest i remove all courier stuff, and install exim4. |
| 15:59.39 | abrotman | you tell us :) |
| 15:59.51 | DasKabel | an error occurs after loggin in through the graphical login : Cannot find or run base session script. Will try the GNOME failsave session" Anyone an idea what is meant by "base session script"? |
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| 16:03.36 | abrotman | uhm .. that was stupid .. and i have no idea what happened |
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| 16:11.28 | twitchnln | I have a debian box that i am using as a firewall (site 2), it has 5 external interfaces, and 1 internal. Across the 5 interfaces i have 5 ipsec tunnels to a soekris box (site 1). how would i use multilink ppp to aggregate the 5 tunnels into 1? |
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| 16:13.05 | abrotman | channel bonding ? |
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| 16:13.23 | twitchnln | something like that, ever done it? |
| 16:13.31 | Karamon | Hello, is there a way to intentionally trigger a system beep? |
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| 16:13.41 | Zap-W | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free , is right? |
| 16:14.12 | abrotman | !channel bonding |
| 16:14.12 | twitchnln | Karamon: ctrl+g |
| 16:14.16 | abrotman | !bonding |
| 16:14.17 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bonding is making two nics have the same ip address which increases throughput and provides failover. for instructions on setting it up, read Documentation/networking/bonding.txt in the linux kernel source |
| 16:14.26 | abrotman | twitchnln: not sure if that's what you want though |
| 16:14.37 | Karamon | twitchnln: If I do it from a ssh prompt should it still work? |
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| 16:14.51 | twitchnln | karamon: i believe so |
| 16:14.59 | Zap-W | can anyone throw name of a few essential packages that need installed after deboostrap |
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| 16:17.31 | py_ | peterS, sorry, got a phone call that took me away. What you said works like a charm, thanks a lot |
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| 16:17.48 | rgsteele | Bummer - the DRBD package from Sid causes MD corruption :-/ |
| 16:17.56 | rgsteele | I hate finding things out like that the hard way. |
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| 16:18.51 | rgsteele | Karamon: I believe if you're using bash, that \a is the system bell... so, echo -e "\a" or something similar. |
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| 16:25.01 | m00463 | pUr3 m00463 |
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| 16:25.13 | liable | huh? |
| 16:25.15 | m00463 | m00463 w1ll c0m3 |
| 16:25.18 | itchi | m00463: What happend? |
| 16:25.34 | m00463 | m00463 w1ll c0m3 0v3r y0u |
| 16:25.37 | jelly | my guess is, a troll |
| 16:25.41 | liable | itchi: his mother abused him, thats what |
| 16:25.45 | HardDisk_WP | lol |
| 16:25.49 | cydork | heh |
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| 16:25.54 | itchi | Yeah, a trol probably |
| 16:25.56 | HardDisk_WP | I think he abused apt-get moo -vv |
| 16:26.10 | m00463 | m000 m000 m000 m000 m000 m000 m000 m000 m000 m000 m000 m000 m000 m000 m000 m000 m000 m000 m000 m000 m000 m000 m000 m000 m000 m000 m000 m000 m000 m000 |
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| 16:26.14 | *** mode/#debian [-o stew] by stew |
| 16:26.15 | jelly | !ops m00463 is t00 c00l for the channel |
| 16:26.15 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jelly complains about: m00463 is t00 c00l for the channel |
| 16:26.28 | liable | !lose jelly |
| 16:26.28 | dpkg | jelly: You Lose. |
| 16:26.30 | itchi | !beer stew |
| 16:26.39 | Chass | hi, looks like i have some sort of security problem, was wondefing if i could get help. Someone is downloading megs from me on ports 5001,rfe,5005,5006 and i can't a) figure out which app, and b) figure out how they can connect. the port is blocked with hardware router. Debian unstable |
| 16:26.42 | HardDisk_WP | w00t. that was fast |
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| 16:27.02 | HardDisk_WP | !moo m00463 |
| 16:27.14 | HardDisk_WP | !tell m00463 about m00 |
| 16:27.19 | itchi | It's k3b that give me troubles, gnomebaker too, wodim works fine thought. God, sorry for my 6 cd's polluation :-s |
| 16:27.24 | HardDisk_WP | !tell m00463 about moo |
| 16:27.35 | liable | HardDisk_WP: dude, hes gone |
| 16:27.48 | HardDisk_WP | liable, he is not, he is banned only |
| 16:28.15 | jelly | Chass: netstat -tunap for a) |
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| 16:29.01 | liable | is so! |
| 16:29.29 | Chass | jelly, doesn't show up in the list |
| 16:29.34 | Chass | neither his IP or the ports being used |
| 16:30.08 | jelly | Chass: how did you figure out the ports anyway? |
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| 16:30.22 | Chass | iptraf and ntop |
| 16:30.34 | cydork | Chass: lsof -i:portno? |
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| 16:31.19 | jelly | cydork: hmm, that doesn't show ports being listened on |
| 16:31.24 | Chass | cydork, nope nadda |
| 16:31.35 | itchi | Anyway wodim does it right, so i stay with it for now |
| 16:31.40 | jelly | cydork: ... or I was not root, nevermind |
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| 16:31.46 | Chass | check out http://youngje.homelinux.net:8080/Screenshot-5.png |
| 16:31.49 | martian67 | wow acpi can be incredibly annoying |
| 16:32.03 | cydork | Chass: that's strange. |
| 16:32.08 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:32.09 | liable | martian67: welcome to linux |
| 16:32.12 | jelly | Chass: are you running lsof as root? Just askin' |
| 16:32.20 | martian67 | liable, but i have defeated the beast |
| 16:32.23 | enouf | er /usr/bin/lsof -i | grep LISTEN |
| 16:32.39 | liable | martian67: fix mine! |
| 16:32.45 | martian67 | liable, i was mostly because my bios was being lame and not letting anything not identifying itself as windows work properly |
| 16:32.46 | Chass | yes. as root |
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| 16:33.04 | liable | martian67: yikes, what laptop? |
| 16:33.06 | martian67 | liable, whats the issue? |
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| 16:33.13 | martian67 | liable, toshiba p100 |
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| 16:33.34 | blackba55 | hi ... i upgraded my knoppix ... and when i boot i get an error .... incosistent file system ... any ideea why ? .. or how do i repair it ? |
| 16:33.42 | Chass | oh, i just realised he's sending things to me, not the other way around |
| 16:33.43 | wols | !knoppix |
| 16:33.43 | cydork | blackba55: ask #knoppix? |
| 16:33.43 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unoffical: https://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-knoppix/ http://debian-knoppix.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 16:33.45 | martian67 | fsck |
| 16:33.49 | liable | martian67: document it at linux-laptops.org if you can |
| 16:33.59 | blackba55 | it's debian based ... |
| 16:34.07 | liable | based yes |
| 16:34.09 | wols | !debian based |
| 16:34.09 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 16:34.10 | cydork | blackba55: /msg dpkg based on debian |
| 16:34.14 | liable | not debian |
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| 16:34.28 | liable | poor knoppix people |
| 16:34.33 | martian67 | liable, i will |
| 16:34.38 | liable | they get no help in #knoppix |
| 16:34.44 | blackba55 | liable o.O |
| 16:35.00 | martian67 | liable, what exactly is your issue? |
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| 16:35.23 | liable | blackba55: knoppix is a *great* live cd, but support is poor as a distro |
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| 16:35.59 | wols | liable: as a live cd it's great. for everything else, it simply sucks |
| 16:36.00 | blackba55 | liable, i know .. but i don't have time to install debian now .. cause it's not my pc .. so i jsut need to make this boot until next time when i'll install debian |
| 16:36.08 | liable | martian67: none really, i just hoped you could tame my acpi beast and make my battery last ten hours :) |
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| 16:36.22 | martian67 | hehe |
| 16:36.28 | martian67 | no dice |
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| 16:37.10 | martian67 | i had to FAQ around with the DSDT tables, way over my head, but i pulled it off anyways ;p |
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| 16:37.40 | martian67 | i appear to be the first one to do so with this model, makes me feel happy ;P |
| 16:38.42 | liable | document it and put it on the site, web site hits are almost as good as uptime when it comes to penis length |
| 16:38.47 | jelly | liable: which cpu? |
| 16:39.05 | liable | jelly: huh? |
| 16:39.13 | cheshire314 | bye |
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| 16:39.34 | jelly | liable: on your poor battery lapotp |
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| 16:39.58 | martian67 | liable, no need really, the guide already points to what i used, all that was missing was a hacked DSDT table which i have already submitted |
| 16:40.02 | martian67 | not |
| 16:40.14 | martian67 | *nm |
| 16:40.19 | martian67 | i thought i typoed |
| 16:40.32 | martian67 | liable, taken a look at that new intel tool, power top? |
| 16:40.36 | liable | jelly: its poor performance because i have been a laxy bastard. but its a core2duo (the early version) |
| 16:40.39 | jelly | liable: seen this? http://www.linuxpowertop.org/success.php |
| 16:40.47 | liable | martian67: yeah, played with it today |
| 16:41.03 | liable | oh dear |
| 16:41.19 | liable | thats almost an admission to reading /.! |
| 16:41.38 | jelly | nah, lwn.net here :-) |
| 16:41.38 | stew | i think powertop just got uploaded |
| 16:41.44 | Eclipser | what's the gnome file browser called? |
| 16:41.50 | stew | Eclipser: nautilus |
| 16:41.51 | martian67 | nautillus |
| 16:41.54 | liable | stew: sweet |
| 16:42.08 | liable | jelly: hrm, yesterday it wasnt there |
| 16:42.10 | martian67 | liable, shhhhhhhh >_> |
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| 16:42.23 | stew | liable: yeah, http://packages.qa.debian.org/p/powertop.html |
| 16:42.25 | martian67 | liable, and it seems to be an admission form you aswell ;o |
| 16:42.41 | martian67 | *from |
| 16:42.41 | Eclipser | stew, thanks... eww though :> |
| 16:42.46 | liable | martian67: yes, i do still read /. |
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| 16:43.16 | martian67 | dynamic ips |
| 16:43.40 | martian67 | or they are being asshats and blacklisting whole subranges |
| 16:43.49 | martian67 | not like they dont do that or anything |
| 16:44.18 | jelly | martian67: it's not a dynamic ip |
| 16:44.34 | martian67 | id go with the subrange theory |
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| 16:44.49 | martian67 | good luck getting it off dude |
| 16:44.52 | jelly | I've had good experience with CBL so far |
| 16:45.20 | DavidHKMrPowers | is it also for redhar linux here? |
| 16:45.26 | martian67 | no |
| 16:45.45 | martian67 | its #debian not #redhat |
| 16:45.55 | DavidHKMrPowers | it's linux too? |
| 16:46.01 | martian67 | yes |
| 16:46.14 | DavidHKMrPowers | ok, thanks :) |
| 16:46.18 | martian67 | np |
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| 16:50.30 | ustunozgur | can anyone recommend an irc client similar to irssi? |
| 16:50.55 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:51.02 | liable | why ask for a similar one? |
| 16:51.18 | liable | one client to rule the world! |
| 16:51.18 | ustunozgur | I couldn't get it to work properly. |
| 16:51.27 | itchi | !irssi |
| 16:51.27 | dpkg | irssi is, like, the best irc client ever, or found in the irssi-text package on sarge, or irssi on etch |
| 16:51.37 | ustunozgur | it has a silly error, and I couldn't fix it. |
| 16:51.49 | liable | ustunozgur: theres a great web site for it |
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| 16:52.06 | liable | ustunozgur: oh, your the dude with the funny problems |
| 16:52.15 | wols | ustunozgur: what error? |
| 16:52.16 | xand | you're |
| 16:52.24 | ustunozgur | yes. I am. :) |
| 16:52.38 | liable | xand: your being pedantic |
| 16:52.43 | simonrvn | you're |
| 16:52.47 | ustunozgur | wols: see http://ustunozgur.googlepages.com/scr1.png and http://ustunozgur.googlepages.com/scr2.png |
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| 16:52.49 | wols | ... as we all know, irssi is bug free, promotes world peace, fixes broken RAM and cools down overheating CPUS :) |
| 16:52.57 | xand | liable: what about my being pedantic? |
| 16:53.05 | Artemis3 | has anyone heard of a dell laptop with "media direct" button restoring its partition when pressing said button? (and killing the / partition in the process) |
| 16:53.06 | ustunozgur | the flow goes into server window, and the nicknames are hidden. |
| 16:53.09 | liable | xand: your.. |
| 16:53.24 | liable | ok, lemme make it clear |
| 16:53.28 | Decepticon | will 'apt-get remove <package>' remove ALL traces (as if i never installed it) of the <package> ? |
| 16:53.33 | liable | ur being pedantic |
| 16:53.41 | martian67 | ustunozgur, : BitchX |
| 16:53.43 | xand | Decepticon: apt-get remove --purge package |
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| 16:54.04 | Decepticon | ok thanks |
| 16:54.07 | xand | Decepticon: and it won't get dependencies that were installed for that package |
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| 16:54.10 | ustunozgur | Decepticon: user directories may stay however. |
| 16:54.14 | wols | ustunozgur: it looks like you have some irssi config files somewhere (or some script files) that do bad things(tm) |
| 16:54.21 | ustunozgur | I mean the . dirs. |
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| 16:54.27 | Decepticon | dot dirs |
| 16:54.31 | Decepticon | ok i can get rid of those |
| 16:54.57 | bubux | i need tabs in gedit to ident selected code instead of replacing all selected text with a tab.. please help me |
| 16:55.05 | ustunozgur | wols: probably, but I even compiled from source and installed to a directory in my home dir. |
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| 16:55.15 | ustunozgur | so, where would that get config from? |
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| 16:55.23 | Southern | Hi |
| 16:55.24 | wols | ustunozgur: could be some system wide stuff in /etc or such |
| 16:55.27 | stevepastelan | hello!! |
| 16:55.34 | xand | WHY HELLO! |
| 16:55.34 | liable | heloo!!!! |
| 16:55.41 | wols | EHLO |
| 16:55.41 | xand | !hug stevepastelan |
| 16:55.45 | stevepastelan | aww |
| 16:55.49 | stevepastelan | everyone is so friendly :D |
| 16:55.50 | liable | !aww |
| 16:55.50 | dpkg | *snuggles* |
| 16:55.54 | martian67 | ustunozgur, yea irssi has a bad habit of corrupting its config files |
| 16:56.03 | xand | martian67: it does? |
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| 16:56.10 | liable | eh? |
| 16:56.14 | martian67 | yep |
| 16:56.18 | stevepastelan | guys how do I figure out what hard drive I have installed (things like make/model/serial number) |
| 16:56.21 | xand | I've never seen that happen |
| 16:56.26 | martian67 | hdparam |
| 16:56.29 | xand | stevepastelan: dmesg | grep hd |
| 16:56.29 | stevepastelan | ty |
| 16:56.30 | h3sp4wn | stevepastelan: smart |
| 16:56.33 | xand | or dmesg | grep sd |
| 16:56.37 | liable | foo |
| 16:56.38 | xand | or that I guess :o |
| 16:56.38 | martian67 | i have seen it, and seen many people complain about it |
| 16:56.41 | stevepastelan | woah so many ways |
| 16:56.44 | mentor | stevepastelan: Also, you could try smartctl |
| 16:56.56 | xand | stevepastelan: or look at the sticker :P |
| 16:56.59 | martian67 | man ways to do many things in linux |
| 16:57.23 | stevepastelan | xand: that's cheating ;p |
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| 16:58.53 | JohnRobert | I'm using a program called cplay to play my music, however, it tries to change volume using /dev/mixer, which doesn't appear to be on my system fresh etch install.. sound definitely works though as I can hear stuff! |
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| 16:59.10 | stevepastelan | martian67: I can't seem to find hdparam ;\ |
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| 16:59.33 | liable | JohnRobert: modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 17:00.02 | liable | whwres peterS |
| 17:00.09 | liable | wheres |
| 17:00.15 | liable | warez! |
| 17:00.17 | Southern | Anyone know where can I obtain a nice sources.list ??? |
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| 17:00.27 | Southern | I've got the default one and it's not doing too well :S |
| 17:00.35 | xand | what's wrong with it, Southern? |
| 17:00.38 | mentor | define nice...? |
| 17:00.43 | stevepastelan | mentor: smartctl worked perfectly, ty :) |
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| 17:00.58 | mentor | stevepastelan: Thanks its developers |
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| 17:01.10 | Southern | xand I apt-cache search but it almost doesn't find anything :S |
| 17:01.13 | JohnRobert | Cheers liable |
| 17:01.19 | stevepastelan | now, how do I figure out what CPU I'm running, and its frequency? |
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| 17:01.22 | JohnRobert | any idea how I can make that module auto load? |
| 17:01.24 | Southern | I can put it on pastebin if you want to take a look at it... |
| 17:01.28 | wols | !sources.list |
| 17:01.28 | dpkg | hmm... sources.list is something like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free" where cc is your country code. see <mirrors>, /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list. also see <etch security>, or run "apt-get update" after editing sources.list in order to refresh your database |
| 17:01.29 | martian67 | Southern, add contrib non-free to the repo options |
| 17:01.32 | h3sp4wn | stevepastelan: /proc/cpuinfo |
| 17:01.48 | stevepastelan | h3sp4wn: wicked! thanks |
| 17:01.51 | martian67 | Southern, it will add alot of packages |
| 17:01.57 | Southern | ok, one sec |
| 17:02.07 | simonrvn | !tell liable -about ur |
| 17:02.11 | h3sp4wn | stevepastelan: (If you are running a kernel with dyntick / high res timers it won't be accurate) - mine shows 150ghz |
| 17:02.12 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 17:02.24 | martian67 | lol |
| 17:02.27 | liable | JohnRobert: it should.. but add it to /etc/modules |
| 17:02.30 | martian67 | UB3RFAST |
| 17:02.33 | martian67 | ;) |
| 17:02.38 | JohnRobert | it doesn't, but thanks |
| 17:02.39 | JohnRobert | :) |
| 17:02.49 | Southern | martian67, shall I remove the cdrom option too?? |
| 17:02.55 | wols | h3sp4wn: alien CPU tech? |
| 17:03.01 | martian67 | is tickless on by default in newer kernels? |
| 17:03.03 | JohnRobert | ah, I seemed to have disabled it ages ago |
| 17:03.10 | liable | simonrvn: dude, i wuz on 4bout that ages ago! |
| 17:03.11 | martian67 | or do you need to enable it? |
| 17:03.15 | martian67 | Southern, if you wish |
| 17:03.19 | Southern | ok |
| 17:03.54 | simonrvn | welll excuse me for having my port 110 D0Sed an dhaving to reconn... sheesh :P |
| 17:04.10 | h3sp4wn | wols: nope - amd |
| 17:04.15 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 17:04.43 | stevepastelan | alright, cool |
| 17:04.51 | ustunozgur | Southern: also see /msg dpkg debian-multimedia |
| 17:05.25 | unlink | how do i get abiword to spell check in a different language from what it's localized to? |
| 17:05.33 | unlink | as in, something besides what LANG is set to |
| 17:05.37 | martian67 | "i heard" rofl |
| 17:05.50 | martian67 | shhhhhh its a secret :) |
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| 17:06.12 | liable | lollerskates? |
| 17:06.13 | Danielss89 | "skat" er noget man finder på bunden af havet. IKKE en person! |
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| 17:06.49 | xand | Danielss89: english |
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| 17:10.23 | liable | me either |
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| 17:10.29 | sobersabre | hi. |
| 17:10.30 | liable | doh |
| 17:10.35 | sobersabre | I can see my eth0 also has an IPv6 address. |
| 17:10.47 | sobersabre | how can I make it not have ipv6 address ? |
| 17:10.51 | itchi | liable: Do you know how i an burn a data cd in cli? |
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| 17:11.06 | sobersabre | I would like to completely disable ipv6 ... how do I do this ? |
| 17:11.10 | liable | itchi: with cdrecord/wodim |
| 17:11.38 | ustunozgur | unlink: I guess they use aspell. |
| 17:11.48 | ustunozgur | So, you have to download aspell dicts, probably. |
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| 17:11.58 | suppaman | bye |
| 17:12.03 | stew | sobersabre: blacklist the ipv6 modules: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 17:12.05 | itchi | liable: Is it cdrecord -v dev=/dev/hdc /some/files? Sorry heh, i'm in hurry, it's for the brother of my wife that gona come in lesser as 15 mins. K3b and gnombaker are out of working right now :-( |
| 17:12.11 | liable | itchi: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/how-do-i-write-cd-at-debain-linux-command-prompt.html |
| 17:12.34 | liable | itchi: the cdrecord man page has examples |
| 17:12.45 | liable | s/cdrecord/wodim/ |
| 17:12.45 | itchi | liable: Thanks! |
| 17:12.53 | liable | np |
| 17:13.07 | ustunozgur | unlink: or ispell. |
| 17:13.26 | liable | itchi: you need to make an iso first |
| 17:14.21 | martian67 | mkisofs |
| 17:14.29 | unlink | where is my apache2-ssl-certificate script (in etch)? |
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| 17:15.28 | sobersabre | stew: I've found a trick to set them as "off" in /etc/modprobe.d/00local |
| 17:15.49 | sobersabre | is it better to do this or to blacklist them ? |
| 17:16.01 | sobersabre | I mean... are there any implications ? |
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| 17:16.37 | ustunozgur | itchi: also one of the comments recommend bashburn |
| 17:17.05 | stew | sobersabre: wierd, I don't know what the difference would be |
| 17:17.05 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
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| 17:17.21 | HardDisk_WP | does KDE support something like Active Desktop on Microsoft? |
| 17:17.59 | suppaman | what's Active Desktop exaclty ? |
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| 17:18.26 | \amethyst | unlink: you want make-ssl-cert from the ssl-cert package |
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| 17:19.40 | \amethyst | dpkg, apache2-ssl-certificate is no longer present: use make-ssl-cert from package ssl-cert instead. See http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=398520 |
| 17:19.40 | dpkg | okay, \amethyst |
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| 17:20.17 | Decepticon | if i want to use the blocklists from peerguardian on my debian machine, what do i gotta do |
| 17:20.22 | ustunozgur | itchi: there is also mybashburn |
| 17:20.28 | liable | hrm |
| 17:20.50 | liable | !apache2-ssl-certificate |
| 17:20.51 | dpkg | hmm... apache2-ssl-certificate is no longer present: use make-ssl-cert from package ssl-cert instead. See http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=398520 |
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| 17:21.29 | liable | smart dpkg |
| 17:21.55 | HardDisk_WP | suppaman, a desktop programmed in HTML |
| 17:22.15 | liable | eew |
| 17:22.31 | rahul | HardDisk_WP: you are sick |
| 17:22.56 | suppaman | HardDisk_WP: with support for js ? |
| 17:23.01 | HardDisk_WP | noo |
| 17:23.05 | HardDisk_WP | only four frames |
| 17:23.11 | suppaman | that would have explained many things.. |
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| 17:23.23 | HardDisk_WP | one for files, one for the ROTTEN placement of removable media icons |
| 17:23.30 | HardDisk_WP | they ALWAYS move randomly |
| 17:23.56 | jelly | HardDisk_WP: so that you can't kick them! |
| 17:24.01 | HardDisk_WP | *g* |
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| 17:24.17 | HardDisk_WP | i only want to have them in one row, in disciplined order *boo hoo* |
| 17:24.58 | unlink | \amethyst: thanks. |
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| 17:31.33 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 17:31.34 | dpkg | it has been said that qotd71 is <kbrooks> i believe /var gets rm -rf'd at every boot |
| 17:31.49 | liable | of course it does |
| 17:32.10 | stew | why do the kbrooks quotes keep coming up lately? |
| 17:32.26 | sobersabre | stew: I don't know sometimes other people seem to discover things I wouldn's think of :) |
| 17:32.35 | sobersabre | so, I do consult once in a while. |
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| 17:33.09 | wols | h3sp4wn: alien it is then. no other way amd could compete with intel for so long :P |
| 17:33.13 | liable | stew: everybody loves a foll? |
| 17:33.22 | liable | fool* |
| 17:33.27 | liable | fuck sakes |
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| 17:33.37 | wols | liable: yes we love you |
| 17:33.39 | liable | i wish i could type properly |
| 17:33.41 | wols | !hug liable |
| 17:33.41 | wols | :) |
| 17:33.46 | liable | hah |
| 17:33.50 | liable | indeed |
| 17:34.24 | wols | where is kbrooks lately btw? |
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| 17:34.58 | stew | wols: luckly not here |
| 17:35.17 | gordboy | re my question earlier about changing the logical name of a converted (with alien) rpm package. i did the convert with alien. then i made an install dir, dpkg-deb -e to extract the DEBIAN control stuff into it, edited that. then i made/copied the full install tree in there. then i did dpkg -b to rebuild the package. voila ! |
| 17:35.19 | stew | wols: i assume he's in #easybuntu or whereever |
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| 17:35.26 | wols | stew: if he doesn't show up soon, I have to substitute as the channel clown :) |
| 17:35.34 | wols | stew: you don't want this to happen |
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| 17:37.14 | wols | liable: you could be a 2nd mwilson maybe? |
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| 17:38.12 | liable | wols: i am not a grumpy bastard. i would say you were more of a bastard than I, but i guess my point of view is scewed |
| 17:38.41 | shogunx | !grumpy |
| 17:38.52 | liable | it takes a special person to be like mwilson |
| 17:39.00 | wols | liable: you#re right, buit when I'm already the clown. can't do two roles or'd be schizo :) |
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| 17:40.45 | liable | wols: heh, your typing was as bad as mine in that sentence! |
| 17:40.45 | Artemis3 | ok i need help with wifi (intel 3945abg) on a dell laptop, the package is installed and dmesg shows the module seems to load, but it fails to register an eth slot, iwconfig and ipconfig won't show it. Used to work :S |
| 17:40.45 | liable | Artemis3: this is on debian? |
| 17:40.45 | FJ_Sanchez | One question, I cannot remove a module (rmmod) because it says it's in use |
| 17:40.45 | Artemis3 | etch |
| 17:40.51 | FJ_Sanchez | How can I see what is using that module? |
| 17:40.59 | liable | Artemis3: the debian package? |
| 17:41.06 | FJ_Sanchez | When I check lsmod nothing appears to be using this... |
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| 17:41.10 | wols | liable: no one can matgch my bad typing. no one. and don't get me started on my nick completes |
| 17:41.15 | wols | :) |
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| 17:41.21 | liable | :P |
| 17:41.52 | wols | Artemis3: firmware loaded? |
| 17:42.31 | wols | FJ_Sanchez: the module provides a device. check who or what uses that device with slof |
| 17:42.47 | wols | *lsof |
| 17:42.48 | Artemis3 | liable, firmware-ipw3945, ipw3945-modules-2.6.18-4-686, ipw3945d |
| 17:42.49 | Kronuz | hey... using sed.... it receives the filename to be sed as a parameter, but is there a way instead of receiving the filename it would receive the actual string to be processed instead? |
| 17:43.05 | Kronuz | (the string as the parameter) |
| 17:43.23 | liable | Artemis3: check dmesg, is the daemon running? |
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| 17:43.44 | Kronuz | like for doing: sed s/some/other/ "some things" and then get "other things" as result |
| 17:43.54 | Kronuz | (or something like that) |
| 17:44.07 | liable | Kronuz: #sed |
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| 17:44.21 | Kronuz | wow |
| 17:44.28 | Kronuz | liable: didn't know there was a #sed :P |
| 17:44.28 | Karnaugh | Does anyone know how with debian and rp-pppoe how to get it to respect the rp_pppoe_ac setting (or even where it goes??) |
| 17:44.44 | liable | Kronuz: course there is :) |
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| 17:45.01 | Kronuz | :) |
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| 17:45.23 | liable | Kronuz: they will prolly lart you into oblivion if the are anything like #bash though :P |
| 17:45.26 | Artemis3 | liable, hmm i don't see the daemon running with ps... dmesg shows ipw3945: Detected Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection |
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| 17:45.36 | Kronuz | :( |
| 17:45.55 | Kronuz | I'm starting with the shell commands |
| 17:46.02 | tomdick | is there a way to zero a file? that is, remove all of a files contents, yet leave the file intact? |
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| 17:46.17 | liable | Artemis3: it should be |
| 17:46.26 | liable | Artemis3: paste your entire dmesg |
| 17:46.27 | Artemis3 | liable, oh wait ps lists ipw3945/0 amd /1 |
| 17:46.38 | liable | Artemis3: 64? |
| 17:46.41 | wols | tomdick: man fopen, man fseek, man fwrite, man fclose |
| 17:46.46 | Artemis3 | no no |
| 17:46.47 | Artemis3 | and |
| 17:46.48 | Artemis3 | sorry |
| 17:47.04 | liable | Artemis3: paste your dmesg anyway |
| 17:47.08 | suppaman | bye |
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| 17:47.17 | Artemis3 | let me connect the machine to the wired and ill do the pase |
| 17:47.23 | Artemis3 | paste |
| 17:47.45 | tomdick | wols: can i call that from bash? i vaguely remember those functions from learning C, but it's been years since i've written anything (thank God) |
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| 17:48.50 | Artemis3 | liable, where to paste? |
| 17:48.55 | wols | tomdick: I don#t think so |
| 17:49.02 | liable | !paste |
| 17:49.03 | dpkg | it has been said that paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC or if those are not working, ask me about <pastebin> for other options |
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| 17:49.41 | tomdick | wols: time to break out the k&r book then |
| 17:49.51 | tomdick | thanks |
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| 17:50.10 | liable | k&r is nasty |
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| 17:50.23 | liable | well, for noobs like me |
| 17:50.32 | cydork | tomdick: zero a file?? |
| 17:50.56 | Artemis3 | liable, funny i can't see the wired card either... |
| 17:51.09 | yoshio | tomdick: echo -n "" >file |
| 17:51.17 | wols | tomdick: why can't you overwrite the file with another file of the same size? |
| 17:51.22 | liable | Artemis3: did you compile a kernel? |
| 17:51.25 | lu-bao | debian 4.0 runs very well on my notebook very big thanks to the programmer team :) |
| 17:51.35 | liable | no problem |
| 17:51.42 | cydork | tomdick: can you explain what you are trying to do? |
| 17:52.41 | Artemis3 | liable, no.. or at least not me |
| 17:52.57 | liable | Artemis3: paste your dmesg already |
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| 17:53.16 | lu-bao | so cool direct rendering and everything is enabled out of the box :D love debian4.0 :x |
| 17:53.17 | Artemis3 | liable, can't, no connection to the outside |
| 17:53.26 | liable | Artemis3: ifcconfig -a should show em all |
| 17:53.38 | liable | Artemis3: what box is it? |
| 17:54.05 | liable | Artemis3: does it have an intel e1000 card too? |
| 17:54.32 | Artemis3 | liable, i see devices listed in eth3, eth4 and eth5, the nic is a broadcom i think, dell lapyop 640m |
| 17:54.33 | liable | Artemis3: theres some issues with thinkpads with the e1000 |
| 17:54.46 | liable | hah |
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| 17:55.34 | liable | !love udev |
| 17:55.51 | lu-bao | lol |
| 17:56.02 | liable | Artemis3: how many devices does ifconfig show? |
| 17:56.03 | lu-bao | play bot :P |
| 17:56.13 | Artemis3 | udev issue? |
| 17:56.43 | Artemis3 | liable, it shows eth3, eth4, eth5, lo and sit0 |
| 17:56.56 | liable | Artemis3: you shouldnt have that many devices for ethernet unless you have been playing with drivers |
| 17:57.20 | Artemis3 | any solution? |
| 17:57.27 | liable | Artemis3: and any have lots of 00 at the start or end? |
| 17:57.42 | liable | for the mac adress |
| 17:57.46 | liable | address |
| 17:57.54 | Artemis3 | eth4 has many 00 at the end |
| 17:58.11 | Artemis3 | of the HWaddr |
| 17:58.14 | tomdick | wols: it's stupid really, but i want to be able to 'zero out' log files. i've got an application running on a vm that i didn't allocate enough space for. while it (the vm) is just a temporary solution in the first place, it'd be nice to be able to free up space by something like 'zerothis filename' instead of 'rm filename' and then 'touch filename' and make sure permissions/ownership are correct |
| 17:58.15 | lepton | Artemis3: carefully edit /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules by hand. assign eth0, eth1, ..., ethN. reboot |
| 17:58.23 | lepton | worked for me |
| 17:59.06 | liable | lepton: you can safelt delete the file |
| 17:59.07 | liable | safely |
| 17:59.07 | Artemis3 | so what should i do? |
| 17:59.08 | Artemis3 | delete or edit? |
| 17:59.10 | liable | Artemis3: try ifconfig eth? up |
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| 17:59.23 | liable | just try and get a working eth |
| 17:59.28 | Artemis3 | ok... |
| 17:59.28 | liable | \try it with all |
| 17:59.30 | Artemis3 | lets see |
| 17:59.54 | liable | then dhclient eth<working> |
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| 18:06.41 | Artemis3 | liable, eth3 seemed to work http://paste.debian.net/28269 |
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| 18:08.20 | daquino | so i just download the source from here for a non debian distro ? http://packages.debian.org/stable/admin/debootstrap |
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| 18:09.33 | liable | Artemis3: the daemon isnt started from the looks of that |
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| 18:09.58 | liable | Artemis3: you are using debian with the debian ipw3945-source package? |
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| 18:10.47 | liable | ok, yes its a deabin kernel |
| 18:10.55 | liable | !debain |
| 18:10.56 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The founder of Debian was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
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| 18:11.23 | Artemis3 | liable, no its not even installed |
| 18:12.58 | daquino | yo yo |
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| 18:12.59 | liable | Artemis3: how have you installed the driver? etch has the source for ipw3945 |
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| 18:12.59 | liable | Artemis3: you can build it with m-a |
| 18:12.59 | liable | its easy |
| 18:12.59 | Artemis3 | liable, the package |
| 18:13.00 | Artemis3 | liable, prebuilt package |
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| 18:13.01 | liable | oh, i keep forgetting about the modules package |
| 18:13.16 | Artemis3 | liable, maybe it would work with eth4 as it used to work with eth2 before? |
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| 18:13.29 | drewh | greetings... |
| 18:13.36 | martian67 | greets |
| 18:13.44 | simonrvn | kwe kwe drewh |
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| 18:14.17 | drewh | I have created a new runit/sv service and when I ps I see the following: |
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| 18:14.26 | Zap-W | what's the difference between mbmon and lm-sensors |
| 18:14.37 | drewh | runsvdir -P /var/service log: unable to lock supervise/lock: |
| 18:14.52 | sheppard | Anyone here use EncFS and run into a weird 1024 open file limit? |
| 18:14.59 | drewh | yet perm on the /etc/sv and /var/service are correct...any ideas? |
| 18:15.00 | Xires | tomdick; function zerothis() { if [ ! -z $1 ]; then rm ${1}; touch ${1}; fi } |
| 18:15.08 | liable | Artemis3: dpkg -l |grep ipw394 |
| 18:15.21 | liable | Artemis3: is there a daemon package? |
| 18:15.32 | simonrvn | yes there is |
| 18:15.33 | liable | installed.. |
| 18:16.05 | Artemis3 | liable, ipw3945d |
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| 18:16.27 | liable | Artemis3: /etc/init.d/ipw3945d restart |
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| 18:16.44 | daquino | wtf is debootstrap i strying to make ./dev owned by root but its not aloud to cause im a normal user... why is it trying to do this ? |
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| 18:17.00 | PF | Any Debian 4, built-in wireless card guru's around? |
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| 18:18.38 | drewh | any ideas? <-- begs a little |
| 18:18.55 | cydork | !ideas |
| 18:18.55 | dpkg | it has been said that ideas is I was thinking of a plan to dye one's whiskers green, and always use so large a fan that they could not be seen. |
| 18:19.14 | liable | cydork: wrong factoid! |
| 18:19.18 | cydork | dpkg: not that one you damn it! |
| 18:19.22 | Artemis3 | liable, you want me to edit /etc/init.d/ipw3945d ? |
| 18:19.22 | liable | !any ideas |
| 18:19.22 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of herring, a little sauerkraut, and a dozen starving kittens. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few hours! |
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| 18:19.47 | cydork | ahh that's better :P |
| 18:19.49 | liable | Artemis3: no, i want you to restart the daemon |
| 18:19.59 | Artemis3 | ok |
| 18:20.15 | liable | Artemis3: the script takes 'restart' as an option |
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| 18:20.17 | Artemis3 | done |
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| 18:20.40 | liable | Artemis3: paste the relevent dmesg line (last few for the driver) |
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| 18:21.27 | drewh | no one here has seen that behavoir w/ sv? |
| 18:21.58 | Artemis3 | liable, kernel: ipw3945: Detected geography ABG (11 902-11bg channels 13 802.11a channels) |
| 18:22.07 | Artemis3 | er, 802 |
| 18:22.13 | Artemis3 | little typo |
| 18:22.25 | davi_ | What CD iso image support to compress a Windows 2000 partition? business-card? netinstall? CD-iso-1? only CVD image? |
| 18:22.37 | sussudio | %confuse davi_ |
| 18:22.38 | badgers | No, where are their gouda tomorrow, davi_? pants of the monarchy of tibet with extra ham |
| 18:23.12 | liable | Artemis3: paste your ifconfig and iwconfig output |
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| 18:23.31 | dogmeat | what is meant by raw disk devices? this is different than say the block or character devs reported by /proc/devices ? |
| 18:23.58 | cydork | davi_: i don' |
| 18:24.07 | cydork | t think it does support that. |
| 18:24.09 | davi_ | thanks cydork |
| 18:24.09 | valdyn | dogmeat: yes |
| 18:24.19 | cydork | davi_: get a gparted live cd |
| 18:24.22 | liable | does the etch installer have the parted? |
| 18:24.38 | valdyn | dogmeat: well, a raw device is a special device, would be listed there too |
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| 18:25.09 | davi_ | I think I have heard the debian CDs include the parter |
| 18:25.10 | valdyn | dogmeat: purpose of raw devices or direct i/o is circumventing linux caching |
| 18:25.24 | davi_ | let's try. Later |
| 18:25.32 | liable | time i went nigh nighs |
| 18:25.41 | dogmeat | valdyn, thanks |
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| 18:26.04 | Artemis3 | liable, http://paste.debian.net/28270 |
| 18:26.25 | drewh | has anyone seen it where when an sv service reports: |
| 18:26.26 | cydork | liable: no it doesn't |
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| 18:26.33 | drewh | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:26.43 | lfs | What package is install-mbr in? |
| 18:26.54 | liable | cydork: wha? |
| 18:27.10 | cydork | liable: baah.. |
| 18:27.21 | liable | Artemis3: eth5 is your wireless device |
| 18:27.38 | cydork | liable: it does :P |
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| 18:27.54 | lfs | Debian:/home/lfs# apt-cache search install-mbr |
| 18:27.54 | lfs | Debian:/home/lfs# |
| 18:28.01 | liable | cydork: confuse me some more! |
| 18:28.14 | cydork | !confuse liable |
| 18:28.15 | dpkg | Yes, who are our mushroom tomorrow, liable? pants of the democracy of liechtenstein with extra crabpaste |
| 18:28.26 | cydork | mmm crabpaste! |
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| 18:29.21 | drewh | Anyone? Please? |
| 18:29.29 | hyper__ch | hiho, what's the best way to add a shell user and give him access to just one specific directory? |
| 18:29.43 | MoDaX | lfs: |
| 18:29.50 | MoDaX | !find install-mbr |
| 18:29.55 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'install-mbr' (2): (/sbin/install-mbr) in admin/mbr ;; (/usr/share/doc/debian-installer/talks/d-i_internals/2004/096-grub-install-mbr.png, /usr/share/doc/debian-installer/talks/d-i_internals/2006/096-grub-install-mbr.png) in devel/debian-installer. |
| 18:30.48 | liable | Artemis3: i suggest you remove your /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 18:31.17 | liable | Artemis3: and reboot for a saner experience |
| 18:32.38 | h3sp4wn | hyper__ch: make his shell something like rbash |
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| 18:32.47 | liable | @annoy cydork |
| 18:32.49 | ravenbird | cydork: bash: FFS: command not found!!!!! |
| 18:32.51 | Artemis3 | liable, ok |
| 18:32.59 | liable | bah |
| 18:33.02 | hyper__ch | h3sp4wn: are you normally also in #xubuntu? |
| 18:33.02 | cydork | heh |
| 18:33.06 | liable | ravenbird: stupid bot |
| 18:33.07 | ravenbird | No, stupid user. |
| 18:33.13 | h3sp4wn | hyper__ch: sometimes |
| 18:33.25 | liable | !irritate cydork |
| 18:33.25 | dpkg | cydork: wenas where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol kthx |
| 18:33.29 | h3sp4wn | hyper__ch: well I was for a bit until I stopped using it |
| 18:33.30 | hyper__ch | h3sp4wn: thought so :) btw, is rbash by default installed? |
| 18:33.35 | liable | thats better |
| 18:33.55 | shogunx | !phillysmite liable |
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| 18:34.01 | h3sp4wn | hyper__ch: man rbash |
| 18:34.14 | abrotman | WHAT?! |
| 18:34.24 | abrotman | liable: that's a big bell .. |
| 18:34.29 | shogunx | !lart abrotman |
| 18:34.39 | shogunx | hi everyone |
| 18:34.59 | liable | lol, HE WANT THAT! |
| 18:35.07 | liable | wants even |
| 18:35.21 | shogunx | hehe |
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| 18:35.43 | liable | oh fingers, why do you let me down in my time of need.. |
| 18:35.58 | abrotman | no more KY ? |
| 18:36.10 | shogunx | !bitchslap ky |
| 18:36.17 | liable | abrotman: i have lamb fat |
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| 18:37.11 | liable | that shut yous up |
| 18:37.14 | shogunx | liable is that a roman invention? use thereof, actually? |
| 18:37.33 | Zap-W | /bin/bash: /usr/bin/lesspipe.sh: No such file or directory |
| 18:37.36 | shogunx | seems those romans were a bit too friendly with the sheep... |
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| 18:37.49 | h3sp4wn | Zap-W: What are you trying to do ? |
| 18:37.54 | liable | shogunx: lamb fat is the KY of gods and deities |
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| 18:38.08 | abrotman | liable: do you use hot or cold lamb fat ? |
| 18:38.10 | Y0da^ | anyone in here using ConsoleOne |
| 18:38.22 | liable | abrotman: hot, then cold |
| 18:38.30 | Zap-W | h3sp4wn, i keep getting that everytime i run less |
| 18:38.30 | h3sp4wn | Zap-W: eval "$(lesspipe)" (that is what I use) its not lesspipe.sh just /usr/bin/lesspipe |
| 18:38.48 | abrotman | liable: is it okay if bits of meat are still attached? :) |
| 18:38.57 | h3sp4wn | Zap-W: On sid ? |
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| 18:39.17 | liable | abrotman: why yes, as long as they are attached in the right spots |
| 18:39.45 | Zap-W | h3sp4wn, etch |
| 18:40.37 | HardDisk_WP | does anyone know a program to make professional looking web image galleries? |
| 18:40.40 | HardDisk_WP | someth |
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| 18:40.44 | HardDisk_WP | ing for debian |
| 18:41.03 | liable | HardDisk_WP: gallery2 is quite nice |
| 18:41.06 | cydork | HardDisk_WP: gallary2? |
| 18:41.13 | HardDisk_WP | thx will try |
| 18:41.45 | Zap-W | i did a symbolic link |
| 18:41.52 | Zap-W | but i dont know what it's broken like that |
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| 18:41.57 | Zap-W | ln -s /usr/bin/lesspipe /usr/bin/lesspipe.sh |
| 18:42.10 | h3sp4wn | Zap-W: I cannot understand why you would need that on etch |
| 18:42.15 | Zap-W | ahh i know |
| 18:42.21 | liable | the apchache-mod-gal;ery one is slick enough |
| 18:42.28 | Zap-W | it's cause iam in chroot environment running centos |
| 18:42.41 | gpm | igal looks very nice to me |
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| 18:43.13 | h3sp4wn | Zap-W: check env (and make the shell a login one) |
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| 18:44.25 | drewh | Has anyone ever seen sv give an error like so: |
| 18:44.27 | Glombool | I'm having problems getting my zone file to work with bind9. What log should I check for errors? |
| 18:44.44 | drewh | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:47.12 | Glombool | Any DNS gurus here? |
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| 18:47.22 | jelly | Glombool: grep named /var/log/daemon.log, maybe |
| 18:47.25 | karsten | !tell Glombool about ask |
| 18:47.37 | pepse | hehe ask question, get answer |
| 18:47.44 | pepse | ascii stupid question, get a stupid ansi :( |
| 18:47.49 | karsten | Glombool: /var/log/messages, /var/log/daemon.log Better, run bind w/ verbose options. |
| 18:47.56 | Glombool | I did ask... no one answered... Yeah, that one. Thank you. |
| 18:47.59 | drewh | wth? I've asked my question 3 times now and not one single reply? |
| 18:48.01 | drewh | I" |
| 18:48.01 | drewh | m |
| 18:48.05 | davi_ | Does debian support USB keyboard along the instalation process? |
| 18:48.09 | karsten | !tell drewh about repeat |
| 18:48.09 | jelly | In Soviet Russia, pet a PETSCII! |
| 18:48.10 | drewh | not being rude. |
| 18:48.27 | karsten | drewh: Perhaps nobody knows the answer and you should ask elsewhere or research on your own. |
| 18:48.33 | TT | in debian, I cannot get pure-ftpd to work with tls at all |
| 18:48.40 | drewh | I have researched it on my own |
| 18:48.43 | TT | I created a certificate with openssl |
| 18:48.46 | drewh | but what ever this grp sucks.... |
| 18:48.50 | pepse | davi: you might have to have USB Legacy support enabled in your bios |
| 18:48.51 | TT | I can login, but I cannot send files to it with tls |
| 18:48.53 | jelly | drewh: djb's software is a work of evil! |
| 18:48.56 | TT | it only sends with normal ftp |
| 18:49.04 | xoz | davi: is should. assuming the initrd image contains the usb module. try it and you will know. |
| 18:49.42 | TT | however I don't want to use normal ftp so I avoid sending passwords cleartext |
| 18:49.42 | TT | is there a way to use pure-ftpd with tls on debian? |
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| 18:49.43 | davi_ | thanks pepss |
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| 18:49.43 | karsten | dr_jnut: WTF is /etc/sv for? |
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| 18:49.50 | karsten | dr_jnut: NM. |
| 18:49.56 | karsten | !customer |
| 18:49.57 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 18:49.57 | pepse | TT: I have not tried pure-ftpd, but if you're not stuck on that one, use glftpd, it does ssl for sure |
| 18:49.59 | davi_ | xoz, the businesscard iso image does not support it. I have tryed it some minutes ago |
| 18:50.29 | TT | glftpd is a bit too complicated. I wouldn't mind setting it up, but this is a very simple setup |
| 18:50.50 | TT | vsftpd does this too |
| 18:50.55 | TT | it transfers fine with normal, but bad with ssl |
| 18:51.01 | TT | even if I don't set it to use ssl for data |
| 18:51.09 | TT | I'm using the same conf file I did on a previous distribution |
| 18:51.12 | xoz | !tell TT -about enter |
| 18:51.12 | pepse | what client are you using? |
| 18:51.25 | hyper__ch | h3sp4wn: hmmm, I added now the user, add him to rbash... in shell everything looks fine... but when I try to use the fish protokoll from Konqueror I just get an error |
| 18:51.39 | TT | I apologize for not making run on sentences, xoz |
| 18:51.48 | pepse | TT: what client are you using? |
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| 18:51.52 | TT | ftprush |
| 18:52.15 | h3sp4wn | hyper__ch: No idea - look at man rbash to see what he cannot do |
| 18:52.15 | pepse | Is that windows? |
| 18:52.28 | TT | windows client, debian server. |
| 18:52.35 | pepse | TT: Have you tried a different client? |
| 18:52.39 | xoz | hyper__ch: fish is for ssh protocol |
| 18:52.49 | pepse | TT: SmartFTP is free, and does ftp over ssl |
| 18:53.07 | hyper__ch | xoz: yes, I think so... ssh or sftp... I am not too sure about those things.. but I tend to think its for ssh |
| 18:53.14 | TT | I could try that - but this is the same client I used with vsftpd on an earlier distro, which worked. I could try smartftp and see what it does |
| 18:53.45 | pepse | Just ideas :) I don't have experience with vsftpd/pure-ftpd |
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| 18:53.54 | Glombool | Alright, here's the error i'm getting when Bind tries to start: zone 'irishgrin.com': already exists previous definition: /etc/bind/named.conf:40 Anyone have a suggestion for what I'm doing wrong? |
| 18:54.06 | xoz | hyper__ch: what do you want with fish? |
| 18:54.11 | pepse | you have more than one definition for it in named.conf? |
| 18:54.18 | Glombool | Not that I know of |
| 18:54.19 | pepse | grep -i irishgrin /etc/bind/named.conf |
| 18:54.27 | hyper__ch | xoz testing whether SSH access works for just one specific directory using rbash |
| 18:54.29 | xoz | Glombool: pastebin that file |
| 18:55.09 | Glombool | uh... my server runs in text mode. Is there an easy way to pastebin it? |
| 18:55.15 | Glombool | I mean, console mode |
| 18:55.23 | karsten | Glombool: Yes. |
| 18:55.25 | xoz | Glombool: #flood |
| 18:55.28 | pepse | just do that grep and see how many times it comes up |
| 18:55.40 | Glombool | It came up once |
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| 18:55.51 | pepse | hah ok, then probably missing a ' or something somewhere :) |
| 18:56.06 | Glombool | alright.... |
| 18:56.10 | karsten | !pastewithoutx |
| 18:56.11 | dpkg | it has been said that pastewithoutx is you can install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste |
| 18:56.50 | pepse | look at all them options |
| 18:56.51 | Glombool | Ok... i'll pastebin it. Hold on |
| 18:57.10 | karsten | Glombool: Also: save to file and use a console-mode browser (w3m, links, elink, elinks2, lynx, my pref is w3m) to "paste" through yoru editor. Use typescript to save commeands/response. |
| 18:57.29 | Glombool | I'm using elinks |
| 18:57.37 | karsten | Glombool: Lots of ways, yeah. |
| 18:57.40 | TT | pepse: smartftp worked :( now I have no idea what's wrong |
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| 18:58.10 | xoz | typical of unix. lots of ways. |
| 18:58.14 | karsten | Glombool: I prefer doing local wiki edits through w3m 'coz it dros me to vim for editing rather than Konq/FF/IW editors, all of which suck. Differently. |
| 18:58.25 | Glombool | ok |
| 18:59.33 | Glombool | ...stupid elinks, hold on |
| 19:00.01 | cusco | hi |
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| 19:00.15 | Glombool | ...stupid ISP with problems. 1.5Mb line getting 5kB/s downloads |
| 19:00.22 | cusco | anybody has a nvidia GeForce 8 series? |
| 19:00.36 | karsten | !tell cusco about ask |
| 19:00.46 | cusco | yea I know about that already karsten |
| 19:00.52 | cusco | it happens that they are too new |
| 19:01.02 | cusco | and there might be a chance of nobody having it |
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| 19:01.21 | karsten | cusco: Which you'll discover soon enough if you just plain ask. |
| 19:01.37 | cusco | karsten: but I did ask if anybody had one |
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| 19:01.49 | cusco | the nv module for X doesn't seem to support it |
| 19:02.10 | cusco | its not on the supported chipset list |
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| 19:02.29 | cusco | the maximum it goes is to 7900 |
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| 19:02.38 | Glombool | alright, it's pastebinned |
| 19:02.52 | xoz | where? |
| 19:02.56 | karsten | Glombool: Great. I suppose Google will find the link in a few weeks. |
| 19:03.00 | Glombool | ...that's what I'm trying to figure out |
| 19:03.10 | karsten | Glombool: Top of the page or current URL, in generla. |
| 19:03.26 | TT | http://pastebin.ca/495401 <--- ? |
| 19:03.35 | TT | or http://pastebin.ca/495400 |
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| 19:03.42 | cusco | karsten: woke up on the wrong side of the bed todaY? you seem grumpy |
| 19:03.54 | Glombool | using lynx.... |
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| 19:04.03 | TT | my condolences, Glombool |
| 19:04.03 | no3sc | Anyone here that has time to help me with my sound-support :/ Then please do query me. |
| 19:04.08 | Glombool | lol |
| 19:04.26 | TT | which pastebin? pastebin.com, .ca? or something else |
| 19:04.36 | Glombool | .ca |
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| 19:04.43 | Glombool | hold on. . i have go take care of my daughter |
| 19:04.46 | Glombool | be back in a few minutes |
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| 19:06.29 | xoz | !alsa-checklist |
| 19:06.29 | dpkg | somebody said alsa-checklist was 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
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| 19:06.40 | xoz | no3sc: ^^ |
| 19:07.00 | daidalus13 | hi. how can I check if a module is loaded ? |
| 19:07.08 | formorer | lsmod |
| 19:07.14 | daidalus13 | thx |
| 19:07.22 | no3sc | thnx xoz |
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| 19:09.20 | hyper__ch | xoz: h3sp4wn I just booted windows in vmware and winscp can't access either |
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| 19:11.49 | Artemis3 | quick question, where do i change clock setting to not use utc? |
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| 19:11.58 | en1gma | hi all |
| 19:12.31 | en1gma | is there any way that is (free) to scan and fax a doc when you dont have a fax/modem but do have ethernet high speed internet |
| 19:12.46 | en1gma | i mean people usually dont have 56k modems to do faxes these days |
| 19:12.56 | pepse | laptops have em builtin |
| 19:13.11 | en1gma | yea some do |
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| 19:13.25 | pepse | not free, you can use efax to send faxes tho |
| 19:13.41 | en1gma | but times are changing and alot of manufactures arent putting modems in computers anymore |
| 19:13.54 | en1gma | man i dont have a CC to pay someone |
| 19:14.04 | pepse | what area code are you faxing to? |
| 19:14.09 | en1gma | 813 |
| 19:14.15 | en1gma | and doing it from 319 |
| 19:14.29 | en1gma | oh wait |
| 19:14.35 | en1gma | its 785 im faxing to |
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| 19:17.00 | marcus | Hello people, I have a debian machine that boots great with exception of the internet interfaces. The network card is of type BCM5751 and uses the the tg3 driver. My question is how can I get this interface to start on boot, there seems to be no problem with it since it works perfectly when just running dhclient, the only line I have in the interfaces file says "iface eth2 inet dhcp". Thanks in advance. |
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| 19:17.35 | kth`` | marcus, tried 'auto eth2'? |
| 19:17.40 | en1gma | brb going to get the scanner |
| 19:17.53 | ApEtc | marcus: try adding "auto eth2" before that line |
| 19:18.00 | acydlord | i forgot i've been idling in here lol |
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| 19:18.30 | Glombool | Okay, go it. It is pastebinned at http://pastebin.ca/495429 |
| 19:18.31 | marcus | ApEtc and kth``, rebooting :) |
| 19:18.45 | dkr | acydlord: you have quite a strange sense of humor if that is something to laugh out loud about. :) |
| 19:19.22 | marcus | ApEtc and kth``, thanks alot, I should have rtm better |
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| 19:20.22 | acydlord | i completely forgot i was on freenode till i went to talk to someone in maemo |
| 19:20.32 | smile4 | hello! what package do i need to run php-script with "php some.php" command? |
| 19:20.48 | Glombool | OH! I found it. |
| 19:21.07 | pepse | hehe |
| 19:21.17 | Glombool | It's in the stupid dtc zone file... |
| 19:22.09 | Glombool | guess I don't need to worry about the one I made. Duh. |
| 19:23.10 | gpm | smile4: i think there's a php-cli package |
| 19:23.27 | kjalil | smile4: php4-cli |
| 19:23.27 | blaamann_home | I want to start X with the startx command, but how do I deny Debian from starting X in the first place ? |
| 19:23.27 | kjalil | smile4: or php5-cli |
| 19:23.43 | gpm | smile4: packages.debian.org/php5-cli |
| 19:23.48 | gpm | or php4 if you're using that |
| 19:23.52 | pepse | blaamann: google how to disable gdm on boot |
| 19:24.04 | pepse | blaamann_home: i don't remember off the top of my head |
| 19:24.18 | gpm | update-rc.d -f gdm remove |
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| 19:24.19 | gpm | that's how |
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| 19:24.32 | pepse | there you go |
| 19:24.33 | blaamann | pepse: Ok, disable gdm is what I need |
| 19:24.34 | blaamann | thanks |
| 19:24.38 | HyperDevil | i want to send a mail using the mail command, normal users get this message: send-mail: fatal: open /etc/postfix/main.cf: Permission denied |
| 19:24.43 | gpm | to reenable it, i think just update-rc.d gdm defaults |
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| 19:24.51 | gpm | man update-rc.d too, so you don't have to rely on us |
| 19:25.01 | blaamann | gpm: Ok, ty |
| 19:25.09 | smile44 | hello! what package do i need to run php-script with "php some.php" command? |
| 19:25.17 | HyperDevil | php-cli |
| 19:25.17 | gpm | smile4: WE JUST TOLD YOU |
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| 19:25.35 | gpm | php[4/5]-cli |
| 19:25.39 | Glombool | Does anyone happen to know a way to log into DTC without having to use the dtc.doman.com/dtcadmin address? My new nameserver isn't resolving quite yet and I'm a little impatient :) |
| 19:26.05 | gpm | HyperDevil: i guess your postfix config has permissions that are too strict? |
| 19:26.06 | sobersabre | guys... why would rpc.lockd die on me ? |
| 19:26.13 | sobersabre | running strace shows: |
| 19:26.16 | gpm | oh now |
| 19:26.19 | gpm | oh no |
| 19:26.31 | gpm | here comes a flood |
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| 19:28.21 | sobersabre | chdir("/var/lib/nfs") = 0 |
| 19:28.23 | sobersabre | nfsservctl(0x10000, 0xbfffed00, 0) = -1 EINVAL (Invalid argument) |
| 19:28.24 | lepton | Glombool: "isn't resolving quite yet?" put a working nameserver IP into /etc/resolv.conf |
| 19:28.28 | sobersabre | 2 lines :) |
| 19:28.53 | Glombool | lepton Oh... duh. |
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| 19:29.42 | daidalus13 | hi. I need to find which /dev/sgX device coresponds to my CDROM. Anybody know how to do that? |
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| 19:31.02 | valdyn | daidalus13: sg0 ? |
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| 19:31.20 | valdyn | daidalus13: what's your cdrom device? |
| 19:31.36 | daidalus13 | valdyn: yeas but how do I know for sure? I mean, is there any way i can prove this? |
| 19:31.40 | S4nD3r | hi there, I have a fat32 partition, where thereis a lot of files, how do I mount it as I may change permissions there? |
| 19:31.57 | S4nD3r | I permissions there, is only 755, Its impossible to change it |
| 19:32.08 | martian67 | mmmm my kde is dead sexy =) |
| 19:32.16 | daidalus13 | valdyn: my cdrom device is /dev/scd0 |
| 19:32.43 | helo | i'm about to do an install on 3 different machines (similar hardware though)... is there some way for me to save some time, maybe making a package install list on the first and using that on the second two? i don't know precisely what packages i need, so it will take some trial and error... |
| 19:32.49 | helo | err 4 |
| 19:33.01 | helo | very likely more in the future |
| 19:33.24 | sobersabre | well, why would rpc.lockd die like that ?!! |
| 19:33.35 | daidalus13 | valdyn: my cdrom device is /dev/scd0. does this tell you anything about my /dev/sgX ? |
| 19:33.52 | valdyn | daidalus13: cat /proc/scsi/sg/device_strs |
| 19:34.09 | daidalus13 | valdyn: thx. let me try that |
| 19:34.24 | helo | helo: see http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/users-guide/ap-ami.en.html |
| 19:34.40 | helo | helo: thanks! |
| 19:34.56 | daidalus13 | valdyn: it replies: ARTEC WRR-52Z 1.23 |
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| 19:35.04 | valdyn | daidalus13: my cdrom is 8th line so should be sg7 |
| 19:35.08 | S4nD3r | How mount a partition as 777 ? |
| 19:35.09 | daidalus13 | valdyn: which is my cdrom device |
| 19:35.14 | valdyn | daidalus13: you got only one entry, that's sg0 |
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| 19:35.58 | daidalus13 | valdyn: very helpful. thank you |
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| 19:36.28 | daidalus13 | valdyn: so you mean you have 8 SCSI devices?! What kind of system is this? |
| 19:36.34 | helo | does anyone know if it is possible to use something other than a floppy disk for the auto install medium? |
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| 19:36.50 | xdx | hi, i need a good sources.list for deb etch please, can anyone help me |
| 19:37.27 | valdyn | daidalus13: 7 sata disks, one atapi cdrom, there's no scsi hardware |
| 19:37.27 | gpm | xdx: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etc main non-free contrib |
| 19:37.27 | gpm | that's it |
| 19:37.27 | gpm | one line |
| 19:37.41 | xdx | just ONE line ? |
| 19:37.44 | gpm | yeah |
| 19:37.47 | daidalus13 | valdyn: ok |
| 19:37.55 | valdyn | daidalus13: hd* is being obsoleted, everything's scsi once the new layer is stable |
| 19:38.09 | sn0 | be wise to add security deb line as well really |
| 19:38.17 | valdyn | daidalus13: though that's gonna be years maybe.. |
| 19:38.18 | gpm | xdx: only it's deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free contrib....before i said etc instead of etch |
| 19:38.22 | gpm | oh yeah |
| 19:38.22 | gpm | good call |
| 19:38.25 | gpm | i've been on sid too long |
| 19:38.27 | xand | where can I find "apache2-ssl-certificate" as mentioned on this page http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/349? |
| 19:38.29 | sn0 | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 19:38.29 | sn0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:38.34 | sn0 | -contrib :) |
| 19:38.49 | gpm | -contrib? |
| 19:38.51 | sn0 | same gpm, i forget about it too :] |
| 19:38.54 | daidalus13 | valdyn:so, do you know if I mount a USB drive, will it be recognised as SCSI? |
| 19:38.58 | sn0 | i typed contrib twice, so ignore second mention |
| 19:39.01 | helo | should i use aptitude instead of apt-get if i want to be able to install my list of packages on multiple machines? |
| 19:39.02 | gpm | oh |
| 19:39.09 | valdyn | daidalus13: yea, will be scsi |
| 19:39.18 | h3sp4wn | helo: upto you |
| 19:39.24 | sn0 | apache2-ssl-certificate doesn't exist anymore xand |
| 19:39.26 | helo | xand: they took apache2-ssl-certificate out :( |
| 19:39.27 | valdyn | daidalus13: everything newer than ide is already scsi |
| 19:39.31 | h3sp4wn | helo: /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
| 19:39.36 | xand | sn0: what's it replaced with then? |
| 19:39.37 | sn0 | it was really a script to creating the certificate, so its still possible to do manually |
| 19:39.45 | helo | xand: i had to find the script from a different distro |
| 19:39.45 | gpm | build your own |
| 19:39.52 | gpm | or buy one |
| 19:39.52 | gpm | hehe |
| 19:39.52 | h3sp4wn | helo: or /msg dpkg debian clone |
| 19:39.57 | xand | gpm: how |
| 19:39.58 | sn0 | something like: openssl req $@ -new -x509 -days 1825 -nodes -out /etc/apache2/ssl/apache.pem -keyout /etc/apache2/ssl/apache.pem |
| 19:40.01 | gpm | google |
| 19:40.06 | sn0 | but read up on the usage |
| 19:40.09 | gpm | if i can find it on google, anyone can |
| 19:40.17 | helo | because gpm is retarded! |
| 19:40.24 | gpm | yes |
| 19:40.26 | helo | joking :) |
| 19:40.27 | gpm | don't bring it up again |
| 19:40.28 | gpm | it hurts |
| 19:40.30 | gpm | seriously |
| 19:40.37 | daidalus13 | valdyn: I know that real scsi devices have hardware that takes control of the write/read process and saves me from CPU time. A USB derive would be 'seen' as a scsi device. Does this mean that I would not have the benefit of the higher perfomrance I have with a scsi Drive? |
| 19:40.56 | xand | lame, apache-ssl 1.3 makes a cert for you |
| 19:41.04 | gpm | xand: then use that |
| 19:41.15 | gpm | it's really not that hard to make your own cert though |
| 19:41.23 | gpm | it would take 20 mins tops |
| 19:41.27 | gpm | unless you actually are retarded |
| 19:41.41 | xand | 20 mins? that's ages |
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| 19:41.44 | valdyn | daidalus13: sd* in linux was invented for scsi, and its probably still called scsi layer. But it really the 'new' storage layer, doesnt improve the underlying hardware |
| 19:41.44 | gpm | haha |
| 19:41.50 | gpm | well i mean to find the website |
| 19:41.58 | gpm | not everyone is good at using google |
| 19:41.59 | xand | I think I'll go back to 1.3, much easier to get ssl working :P |
| 19:42.13 | gpm | there's no reason to run 2.x unless you need some new feature it has |
| 19:42.20 | gpm | which most of us don't |
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| 19:42.41 | daidalus13 | valdyn: any idea why linux decided to see all devices as scsi? |
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| 19:43.14 | gpm | that's a 2.6.20 thing |
| 19:43.15 | valdyn | daidalus13: most versatile of the existing hardware, so it'd be a size fitting all |
| 19:43.15 | gpm | isn't it? |
| 19:43.25 | valdyn | daidalus13: without creating a new api |
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| 19:43.38 | daidalus13 | valdyn: makes sense |
| 19:44.17 | daidalus13 | valdyn: do you have 2.4 or 2.6 kernel? what would you recomend? |
| 19:44.28 | valdyn | daidalus13: 2.6 |
| 19:44.39 | daidalus13 | valdyn: why is that then? |
| 19:45.17 | valdyn | daidalus13: hardware support and scalibility main, but also various improved subsystems, good for gaming or many other purposes |
| 19:45.33 | gpm | valdyn: what do you play? |
| 19:45.47 | valdyn | gpm: i dont play |
| 19:45.55 | gpm | aw |
| 19:45.57 | valdyn | gpm: same features help with movie playback though |
| 19:46.13 | daidalus13 | valdyn: I thought 2.4 is more stable because it has been longer around. But I suppose 2.6 kernel is now old enough... |
| 19:46.23 | gpm | anything to improve the pr0n experience :P |
| 19:46.29 | daidalus13 | am not playing anything |
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| 19:46.48 | valdyn | daidalus13: sure its more stable but the real question isnt which is more stable, but if 2.6, which is obviously better in features is stable enough. I think it is. |
| 19:46.51 | sn0 | can't remember the last time ive had a kernel crash, what about anyone else? |
| 19:47.05 | gpm | me neither |
| 19:47.13 | valdyn | sn0: lots of times, but i play with experimental features |
| 19:47.25 | sn0 | valdyn i guess its to be expected then :D |
| 19:47.25 | gpm | so you do play |
| 19:47.32 | valdyn | hehe |
| 19:47.33 | valdyn | yea |
| 19:47.33 | sn0 | im having an easy time of it on sid really |
| 19:47.42 | sn0 | 'so far' |
| 19:47.44 | daidalus13 | has anybody tried skype? |
| 19:47.49 | gpm | just keep apt-listbugs |
| 19:47.49 | Chass | sure |
| 19:47.51 | gpm | you're set |
| 19:47.52 | valdyn | !anybody |
| 19:47.52 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 19:47.59 | gpm | does ekiga do the same thing as skype? |
| 19:47.59 | sn0 | indeed gpm, like that python bug 'fails to install' |
| 19:48.14 | gpm | good tiems |
| 19:48.16 | gpm | times |
| 19:48.36 | gpm | i'm always grateful for the people who suffer and report the bugs before i even aptitude update |
| 19:48.49 | Chass | daidalus13, unless you're running a productino server i don't really think you have to worry about stability. i have been running debian unstable, with relatively new kernels, and it never ever crashes on me |
| 19:49.01 | Chass | the thing abuot debian unstable is the package dependencies and such break sometimes |
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| 19:49.04 | Chass | thats it |
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| 19:49.21 | Chass | gpm, i use ekiga regularly for video / voice, but had problems getting it to work in windows |
| 19:49.22 | valdyn | debian unstable does use only stable kernels.. |
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| 19:49.35 | tarzeau | valdyn: huh? |
| 19:49.41 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 19:49.42 | dpkg | sid faq is probably http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 19:49.52 | gpm | i think he's right actually |
| 19:49.55 | gpm | the stock kernels anyway |
| 19:50.03 | gpm | are always "stable" (as identified by kernel.org) |
| 19:50.08 | valdyn | tarzeau: yea i know.. |
| 19:50.09 | gpm | or older |
| 19:50.19 | tarzeau | gpm: it's not like software in unstable is declared unstable by upstream |
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| 19:50.28 | tarzeau | unstable is a definition by debian |
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| 19:50.45 | gpm | true |
| 19:50.55 | valdyn | unstable in debian means primarily 'moving target', not 'crashing' |
| 19:50.57 | daidalus13 | I installed skype a couple of weeks ago and I still haven't managed to make my voice heard by the other side properly It sounds as if I speak very slowly. Some words are cut, too. Anybody has the same problem. I am using Skype (1.3.0.53) on my Linux Debian (2.4 kernel – Gnome) system |
| 19:51.03 | tarzeau | abrotman: my indigo2 works! :) |
| 19:51.29 | valdyn | daidalus13: using alsa or oss? |
| 19:51.30 | gpm | except for when sid uses beta versions |
| 19:51.33 | gpm | which it does sometimes |
| 19:51.33 | h3sp4wn | Some stuff in sid is declared unstable by upstream (i.e gcc-4.2 that was added recently) |
| 19:51.40 | gpm | or gaim |
| 19:51.41 | gpm | hehe |
| 19:51.41 | HardDisk_WP | what to put into apache2's conf to force the output being declared as ISO-8859-1?? |
| 19:51.52 | tarzeau | h3sp4wn: it's declared unstable by gcc.gnu.org ? |
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| 19:52.01 | Chass | this faq is great |
| 19:52.05 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: the content in the html file? |
| 19:52.07 | daidalus13 | valdyn: I think you are right. I never had a crash on my pc. And I am not a guru. Converted to linux March 2006. |
| 19:52.08 | Chass | next time i'm drunk i'll come here and ask all those questions |
| 19:52.09 | HardDisk_WP | no |
| 19:52.15 | daidalus13 | valdyn: ALSA |
| 19:52.21 | HardDisk_WP | valdyn, phpbb2 makes wrong HTTP headers |
| 19:52.29 | lepton | daidalus13: fast cpu on the box? |
| 19:52.35 | HardDisk_WP | valdyn, it specifies UTF8 instead of ISO-8859-1 |
| 19:52.46 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: uh, no idea |
| 19:52.52 | h3sp4wn | tarzeau: Interesting - Don't know why they packaged a cvs version then |
| 19:52.56 | HardDisk_WP | I know there is some conf setting for that but I have absolutely zero idea |
| 19:53.13 | daidalus13 | valdyn: 2.4Ghz, 512Mb RAM, 120Gb HD (using only a 20Gb partition) |
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| 19:53.18 | gpm | now i've done it |
| 19:53.18 | valdyn | daidalus13: skype and your sound driver obviously disagree about the sampling rate of your sound device |
| 19:53.19 | tarzeau | h3sp4wn: of what? |
| 19:53.25 | gpm | see yous guys. |
| 19:53.26 | valdyn | !dmix |
| 19:53.26 | dpkg | well, dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 19:53.32 | tarzeau | h3sp4wn: because upstream doesn't make tarballs, or those are horribly outdated |
| 19:53.36 | h3sp4wn | tarzeau: or at least the version string is misleading - 4.2-20070516-1 |
| 19:53.38 | valdyn | daidalus13: look this up ^^ to specify a sane sampling rate for alsa |
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| 19:54.01 | tarzeau | h3sp4wn: that's the exceptions, not the majority in sid |
| 19:54.05 | valdyn | daidalus13: dmix is not needed for this though |
| 19:54.11 | tarzeau | h3sp4wn: you'll even find such version numbers in stable |
| 19:54.17 | h3sp4wn | tarzeau: I know |
| 19:54.25 | valdyn | daidalus13: maybe skype permits setting of sampling rate too, i wouldnt know |
| 19:54.30 | daidalus13 | valdyn: I thought this must be a sampling rate problem but I don;t know where to start to fix this. Everything else works fine . Even recording. I checked that. |
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| 19:54.52 | valdyn | daidalus13: right, so read the links dpkg gave, making an asoundrc isnt hard |
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| 19:55.01 | k31th | where can i buy an ssl cert? |
| 19:55.09 | tarzeau | k31th: i sell them for $100 each |
| 19:55.23 | daidalus13 | valdyn:the links dpkg gave? |
| 19:55.31 | valdyn | daidalus13: yea, few lines above |
| 19:55.36 | k31th | tarzeau: you being serious? |
| 19:55.37 | daidalus13 | valdyn: oh I see |
| 19:55.57 | tarzeau | k31th: sure, you need to pay in cash though, i'm 20 minutes west of zurich by train |
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| 19:56.10 | k31th | tarzeau: lol |
| 19:56.30 | daidalus13 | valdyn: dpkg is a bot, right? |
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| 19:56.36 | valdyn | daidalus13: sure |
| 19:56.40 | tarzeau | !gender |
| 19:56.41 | dpkg | I'm hermaphroditic |
| 19:57.05 | daidalus13 | valdyn: so he picked up the ALSA I typed and said to us a few things about it? |
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| 19:57.14 | valdyn | daidalus13: no |
| 19:57.20 | valdyn | daidalus13: he picked up my !dmix |
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| 19:57.27 | lontra | wow ... some of my media keys work now :) ... if i can only get brightness to work |
| 19:57.46 | kurakao | http://www.bilbobus.info take a look at this Bilbao urban buses on google maps |
| 19:57.54 | kurakao | In real time |
| 19:58.09 | daidalus13 | valdyn: LMAO.... Ok I get it. The fun part is the !gender. |
| 19:58.22 | daidalus13 | !alsa |
| 19:58.22 | dpkg | rumour has it, alsa is http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA? or see <alsa-checklist> or <alsa install> |
| 19:58.28 | lontra | anyone know what package i might need to install to adjust brightness? i have a lenovo 3000 n100 |
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| 19:58.39 | daidalus13 | good stuff |
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| 19:59.01 | valdyn | lontra: if this thing worked like a thinkpad in that aspect... |
| 19:59.22 | lontra | valdyn, i don't know if it does or not ... |
| 19:59.22 | valdyn | lontra: brightness is fn-pgup / fn-pgdown ? |
| 19:59.53 | lontra | valdyn, no ... brightness is fn-f10 & fn-f11 |
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| 20:00.08 | valdyn | lontra: oh well that's something else then |
| 20:00.43 | valdyn | lontra: i dont know an easy way, the 'hard' way is 'tail -f /var/log/acpid', press the buttons, read that log for events, create scripts in /etc/acpi/ |
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| 20:01.25 | unlink | i can't change user passwords with courierpassd. i get the error courierpassd[7555]: failed to change password for user sylvia |
| 20:01.48 | valdyn | lontra: ls /proc/acpi/video/VID/LCD0/brightness |
| 20:01.51 | unlink | the daemon itself responds 500 Server error, password not changed. |
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| 20:01.56 | foo | I got this in /var/log/messages: kernel: <k 3924576 on sda5 ... and : kernel: d(3487): WRITE block 3962288 on sda5 ... any ideas? |
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| 20:02.11 | unlink | this is in debian stable |
| 20:02.16 | mips-r4400 | Linux mips 2.6.18-4-r4k-ip22 #1 Mon Mar 26 10:29:44 UTC 2007 mips64 GNU/Linux |
| 20:02.26 | lontra | valdyn, nope ... |
| 20:03.00 | lontra | oh and suspend doesn't work for some reason for me :/ |
| 20:03.10 | mips-r4400 | abrotman: :) |
| 20:03.16 | valdyn | lontra: debian doesnt install those packages by default |
| 20:03.24 | abrotman | mips-r4400: duh .. they're indestructable! |
| 20:03.47 | lontra | valdyn, any idea what package it might? |
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| 20:04.04 | mips-r4400 | abrotman: you mean i can drive over it with a panzer? |
| 20:04.09 | valdyn | lontra: there's alot of choices unfortunately |
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| 20:04.20 | abrotman | mips-r4400: yes |
| 20:04.24 | lontra | valdyn, ah shit ... :) |
| 20:04.59 | valdyn | lontra: 'apt-get install powersaved' is one |
| 20:05.11 | valdyn | lontra: controllable via cli or a kde tool |
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| 20:05.42 | lontra | valdyn, well gnome-power-manager is installed by default and apparently it can handle suspend out of the box ... i do know that suspend works flawlessly in kde with kpowersave |
| 20:06.00 | unlink | upon googling it, the only solution i've encountered was to recompile the package |
| 20:06.17 | valdyn | lontra: i thought it didnt work. |
| 20:06.50 | lontra | valdyn, if does with kpowersave but not gnome-power-manager ... i don't have kde installed anymore though |
| 20:07.06 | lontra | valdyn, i think it might have something to do with that ususwap package |
| 20:07.28 | valdyn | lontra: gnome-power-manager will use powersaved if that is installed and no preferred alternative |
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| 20:07.47 | lontra | valdyn, oh really? ok i'll install powersaved then |
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| 20:07.59 | lontra | valdyn, that's what kpowersave uses anyways isn't it? |
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| 20:08.15 | valdyn | lontra: gnome-power-manager uses hal, hal runs script that try any possible tool till it finds one that is installed |
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| 20:08.44 | valdyn | lontra: yea, kpowersave uses just powersaved / the program 'powersave' |
| 20:08.49 | unlink | i don't know where the server error is coming from; according to my logs, it's authenticating correctly |
| 20:09.04 | lontra | valdyn, great well i'll get that package a shot ... thanks |
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| 20:09.24 | lontra | valdyn, so brightness ... what do you think :D ? |
| 20:09.32 | bbb | Any information why unstable is such unstable theses days ;-) Anytime I try to apt-get something it proposes to remove tzdata and util-linux :-( |
| 20:09.34 | valdyn | lontra: honestly, this is a huge mess in linux, you'll have to read scripts to understand this or find issues |
| 20:10.17 | lontra | valdyn, ok ... anyways that's very minor in my book ... what's more important is suspend and that's not even that important |
| 20:10.19 | valdyn | lontra: ls /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/drivers/acpi/ |
| 20:10.50 | valdyn | lontra: brightness is very easy if you acpi supports it |
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| 20:11.03 | lontra | valdyn, http://www.pastebin.ca/495516 |
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| 20:11.22 | keith80403 | Debian Etch - trying to see LVM volumes on /dev/hdb, which was the previous boot drive - how can I "mount" them with LVM ? |
| 20:11.27 | valdyn | lontra: is the video modules loaded? |
| 20:11.38 | en1gma | sup all? im using debian kde and am looking for a scanner app |
| 20:11.40 | valdyn | lontra: 'lsmod | grep video' and 'modprobe video' to load it |
| 20:11.42 | en1gma | what do we use |
| 20:11.42 | lontra | valdyn, yup ... video.ko right? |
| 20:11.53 | valdyn | lontra: yea |
| 20:12.03 | lontra | valdyn, it is now |
| 20:12.10 | lontra | valdyn, it works now ... thanks |
| 20:12.19 | lontra | valdyn, i'll just add video to /etc/modules |
| 20:12.20 | valdyn | lontra: oh, brightness works already? |
| 20:12.29 | lontra | valdyn, yup just needed to modprobe video |
| 20:12.37 | PF | Any Debian 4, built-in wireless card guru's around? |
| 20:12.46 | sussudio | %fist PF |
| 20:12.49 | valdyn | !anyone |
| 20:12.49 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 20:13.05 | lontra | valdyn, ok one more thing ... how about cpufreq? |
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| 20:13.15 | PF | ok |
| 20:13.29 | valdyn | lontra: also tons of choices, but the kernel drivers are probably best |
| 20:13.42 | PF | My issue is tough to describe |
| 20:13.43 | valdyn | lontra: apt-get install cpufrequtils, then edit /etc/default/cpufrequtils |
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| 20:13.49 | PF | Mr. dpkg |
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| 20:14.24 | lontra | valdyn, do you know what the gnome cpufreq applet uses? |
| 20:14.29 | lontra | cpufreutils? |
| 20:14.42 | valdyn | lontra: that package is only for setting up kernel modules |
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| 20:15.16 | valdyn | lontra: the gnome applet does support these, picking governors ( which are kernel modules ) and setting frequency via kernel interface |
| 20:15.30 | lontra | valdyn, thanks ... i'll be right back ... you've just helped me solve two problems super easy ... thanks a lot :D |
| 20:15.32 | valdyn | lontra: you have to add the cpu driver to /etc/modules yourself though |
| 20:15.45 | lontra | valdyn, oh ... what cpu driver ... how do i do that? |
| 20:15.52 | valdyn | lontra: well, what cpu? |
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| 20:16.45 | lontra | valdyn, it's a dual core ... but i don't remember the command to find it via the terminal ... |
| 20:16.59 | valdyn | lontra: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 20:17.44 | unlink | i see nuthing in the bug tracker with regards to this either |
| 20:17.52 | unlink | *nothing |
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| 20:18.08 | yomm | Hi all :) |
| 20:19.07 | lontra | valdyn, i got it figured out now ... thanks for all the help |
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| 20:24.11 | en1gma | Something is listening on port 80. Won't create virtual server configuration |
| 20:24.11 | en1gma | SERVER_NAME: 'CPU-1' |
| 20:24.11 | en1gma | SERVER_URL: 'none' |
| 20:24.11 | en1gma | ADMIN_USER: 'root' |
| 20:24.11 | en1gma | ADMIN_PASS: '041395' |
| 20:24.11 | en1gma | Creating the config interface... |
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| 20:24.29 | en1gma | sorry |
| 20:25.14 | en1gma | when i try to uninstall anything from synaptic (or install anything) it keeps hanging with this message http://pastebin.ca/495539 |
| 20:25.28 | en1gma | oh my god |
| 20:25.31 | en1gma | wait thats not it |
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| 20:25.57 | nceterval | I'm getting a segfault with the enblend 3 program on Sid. Can anyone help me figure out why? strace, if it helps: http://pastebin.ca/495538 |
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| 20:26.13 | en1gma | with this one |
| 20:26.14 | en1gma | http://pastebin.ca/495543 |
| 20:26.25 | robin_sz | how do I upgrade iceweasel to thunderbird? |
| 20:26.43 | sepski | robin_sz, i'd like to see that :D |
| 20:26.44 | valdyn | robin_sz: haha |
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| 20:27.12 | chop1 | !tell nceterval about bts |
| 20:27.17 | helo | does "/msg dpkg aptitude clone" work only if aptitude was used to install all packages? |
| 20:27.24 | sepski | robin_sz, iceweasel = firefox with a different name (web browser) icedove = thunderbird with a different name (email client) |
| 20:27.36 | robin_sz | duh |
| 20:27.36 | sepski | you usualy dont upgrade a webbrowser into a email client.. |
| 20:27.42 | robin_sz | ok lets try again |
| 20:27.56 | robin_sz | how do I upgrade icedove to thunderbird? |
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| 20:28.11 | robin_sz | meh? |
| 20:28.16 | valdyn | robin_sz: debian does not offer or support thunderbird |
| 20:28.28 | en1gma | what about my problem |
| 20:28.35 | sepski | robin_sz, in remove the icedove package. then you go to mozilla 's site and download thunderbird and install it from source. and you have acomplished to change the name |
| 20:28.37 | en1gma | http://pastebin.ca/495543 |
| 20:28.40 | madd_matt_ | robin_sz, does it really matter to you? They're the same. Uninstall icedove and get thunderbird from mozilla.org if you want. |
| 20:29.39 | robin_sz | madd_matt_, icedove seems to grow in size and then hog cpu, not a tarit ive noticed in thunderbird |
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| 20:29.54 | robin_sz | and the thunderbird logo is nicer |
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| 20:30.28 | madd_matt_ | robin_sz, they're identical. Other than the logo and name. You can go change some image files back if you'd like. Or just get thunderbird from mozilla.org |
| 20:30.32 | sepski | robin_sz, the code is the same , but if you want all that mess only to change the icon you'r more then welcom :) |
| 20:30.34 | nceterval | chop1, Hmm, I don't see any bugs when searching for "enblend". I don't feel comfortable submitting one without understand more about the problem I am having. Can you give me any information about what is causing the segfault based on the strace report I pastebinned? |
| 20:31.03 | sepski | robin_sz, ofcourse you would not get the same version from mozilla's site so in that regard they would be different. |
| 20:31.09 | chop1 | nceterval: Sorry, I can't... a segfault is pretty much always a problem in the program, though (even if it's invalid input or configuration or something). |
| 20:31.25 | chop1 | nceterval: The maintainer can always close the bug if he/she feels it's your fault :-) |
| 20:31.27 | sepski | robin_sz, but then you can't apt-get upgrade it anylonger either so :) |
| 20:31.49 | nceterval | chop1, Ok, I'll look into submitting one, then, Thanks |
| 20:31.56 | robin_sz | sepski, i just would like to see if the moz verison leaks memory and higs cpu as badly |
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| 20:32.15 | sepski | robin_sz, it it's a real problem it would be better you wrote a bug report |
| 20:32.15 | robin_sz | but I dont want to t lose sent mail and address info etc |
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| 20:32.32 | robin_sz | sepski, ther already is one |
| 20:34.31 | Danielss89 | hmm where is a attached file placed on my server when i recieve a mail with an attachment?? im using postfix and dovecot... and the PEAR NET_POP3 class |
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| 20:35.33 | en1gma | this is what it keeps saying when i try to install or uninstall anything with synaptic http://pastebin.ca/495570 |
| 20:35.36 | sepski | Danielss89, ascii encoded inside the email file. it's only extracted to its own file if you do that with a email client. |
| 20:35.43 | en1gma | i cant make it past it |
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| 20:36.44 | en1gma | maybe i need to uninstall that roxen |
| 20:37.20 | en1gma | yep it fixed it |
| 20:37.23 | en1gma | bbiab |
| 20:37.49 | PF | It's strange, during the initial of Etch prism 2.5 built-in wireless card was detected and configured (know this because I used just the first CD, CD#1 and pulled file sets to complete the initial installation). Now after the initial the wireless will not accept the WEP hex passcode. |
| 20:38.15 | thegoldenaura_ | Is it correct that a raid1 (software raid) can almost double the reading speed? |
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| 20:40.08 | sepski | thegoldenaura_, yes almost |
| 20:40.36 | thegoldenaura_ | sepski: and that will happen by default, no need for a special config? |
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| 20:41.16 | Danielss89 | sepski so what if i want the user to be able to download the file |
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| 20:41.34 | thegoldenaura_ | sepski: i mean, if i setup the raid using the debian installer |
| 20:41.43 | sepski | Danielss89, then he shuld fetch his mail |
| 20:41.52 | sepski | you have dovcot so you have imap server allready |
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| 20:42.01 | sepski | what's the problem ? |
| 20:42.23 | thegoldenaura_ | speski: if so, i supose that if i have a raid1 with 3 disks, the reading speed will almost triple |
| 20:42.34 | Danielss89 | im writing a web site where the user should be able to read the email and download the attachment |
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| 20:42.45 | mina_linux_Tux | i have a number of installations process of the following task (printer , Touch screen , Enabling Kiosk enviroment) , i want to package these tasks together to be automated on future systems , can i embed these installation tasks in light distribution or is it easy to use other distribution to make a single purpose distribution , which is the logical and fast option in your opinion ?i have a number of installations process of the following task |
| 20:42.45 | mina_linux_Tux | (printer , Touch screen , Enabling Kiosk enviroment) , i want to package these tasks together to be automated on future systems , can i embed these installation tasks in light distribution or is it easy to use other distribution to make a single purpose distribution , which is the logical and fast option in your opinion ? |
| 20:43.38 | mina_linux_Tux | sorry for sending twice |
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| 20:43.43 | sepski | Danielss89, why ? you have a imap server. and any off the shelf webmail software (like roundcube and squirrelmail) will allow the user to login on the imap server and download his mail (or just the attachment) |
| 20:44.04 | ustunozgur | robin_sz: don't remove iceweasel, just locally install firefox to see if it works better. Also, you might disable extensions and Flash/Java etc. But I think it's a general concern for many. |
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| 20:44.27 | Danielss89 | sepskii want to integrate it into my webmail |
| 20:44.52 | Danielss89 | sepski i want to integrate it into my webmail |
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| 20:45.20 | Danielss89 | sepski i want to integrate it into my website... |
| 20:45.26 | Danielss89 | now its correct :P |
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| 20:45.39 | robin_sz | ustunozgur, sounds like a plane |
| 20:45.41 | robin_sz | ustunozgur, sounds like a plan |
| 20:46.17 | ustunozgur | also see http://www.digg.com/software/More_Firefox_Bloat_Say_It_Ain_t_So_Mozillahttp://www.digg.com/software/More_Firefox_Bloat_Say_It_Ain_t_So_Mozilla |
| 20:46.21 | helo | anyone know why "sudo -u someuser startx" fails on authentication errors trying to use /root/.Xserverauthority or somesuch other files |
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| 20:46.30 | ustunozgur | oh, pasted it twice. |
| 20:46.37 | mina_linux_Tux | ppl any comment ... ?, am i off-topic ? |
| 20:46.46 | amerej | how do i add xfce cdrom on apt sources ? |
| 20:46.51 | sepski | Danielss89, make a link on your website to your webmail client |
| 20:46.55 | foo | anacron is what is responsible for running /etc/cron.daily and what not, right? |
| 20:47.11 | h3sp4wn | foo: cron is responsible |
| 20:47.29 | ustunozgur | amerej: apt-cdrom add |
| 20:47.36 | foo | h3sp4wn: hm, ok |
| 20:47.40 | h3sp4wn | foo: anacron only runs in the instance when some jobs are missed |
| 20:47.45 | foo | h3sp4wn: ah |
| 20:47.55 | h3sp4wn | foo: (due to the machine being off at that time etc) |
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| 20:48.28 | h3sp4wn | foo: I am using fcron (and want to use soley fcron unfortunately I cannot :/ without making a huge mess0 |
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| 20:49.41 | Exal | when debian ask for a gpg key for install a package which is the command for retrieve it? |
| 20:50.03 | sepski | Exal, aptitude install debian-archive-keyring |
| 20:50.14 | mina_linux_Tux | ppllll , any reply .... any body there |
| 20:50.15 | tomdick | sepski: you beat me to it |
| 20:50.20 | Danielss89 | anyone have a idea of which encryption this is? $1$f614dcb0$U.R8hrN4kmA/kkMFfhDkR. |
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| 20:50.51 | Exal | sepski: I guess is the same #apt-get install debian-archive-keyring ? |
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| 20:51.00 | sepski | mina_linux_Tux, either a preseed file. or a custom task that depend on your 3 tasks |
| 20:51.08 | sepski | mina_linux_Tux, i think a preseed file is the easiest |
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| 20:51.48 | sepski | Exal, you can wget + dpkg for all i care :) |
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| 20:53.06 | sepski | mina_linux_Tux, http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/example-preseed.txt and http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/apb.html.en are worth reading |
| 20:53.12 | CyberTop | hi |
| 20:53.47 | sepski | mina_linux_Tux, you can easily remaster the cd to contain your preseed file. making the install 100% unattended. |
| 20:53.48 | CyberTop | i have a big problem after upgrade.... |
| 20:53.51 | CyberTop | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21484/ |
| 20:54.04 | CyberTop | help me pleace |
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| 20:55.57 | ustunozgur | CyberTop: Can you run it as a normal user with sudo? |
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| 20:56.03 | CyberTop | sudo |
| 20:56.14 | mina_linux_Tux | sepski: some info regarding preseed , is it a way to embed some task in a install CD ?' |
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| 20:56.47 | sepski | what do you mean by "embed task in install cd"? |
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| 20:58.09 | CyberTop | what is the problem |
| 20:58.24 | tvynr | Hey, all. :) How do I go about reinitializing a single device on my system? I have a DVD-ROM here that needs... well, a little TLC. It's a kinda crappy one and occasionally goes on the blink. Is it possible for me to make the kernel treat it as if it has been disconnected and then reconnected (as if I modprobe -r the module and then modprobe it) without bringing down all the optical devices on the system? |
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| 20:58.53 | mina_linux_Tux | sepski: it's a complex task to do so , and which release i have to use , |
| 20:59.20 | sepski | mina_linux_Tux, i dont understand your question |
| 20:59.47 | tvynr | I had this problem with this drive before; the drive swears that nothing past about 680Mb on the disc exists and my other drive is fine with it. Since the root directory structure on this particular ISO-9660 FS is at the end of the disc, that makes mount think it's empty. |
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| 21:00.49 | mina_linux_Tux | sepski: to use the preseed method a complex way , and which debian release i have to use ? , could you give me a brief description regarding this preseed ? |
| 21:01.03 | CyberTop | pleace help |
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| 21:02.39 | sepski | mina_linux_Tux, you can use whatever release you want to use. |
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| 21:03.22 | mina_linux_Tux | sepski: i want to use a single installation CD , and as i see etch , sarge all are a lot of isos |
| 21:03.27 | helo | how can one user give another particular user permission to start apps in their X session? |
| 21:03.48 | sepski | mina_linux_Tux, you can use the netinstall |
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| 21:04.15 | sepski | mina_linux_Tux, if you need to use a cd. and the packages you need are not on the same cd, you can download a cd matching your requirements with jigido |
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| 21:04.42 | sepski | mina_linux_Tux, but if you can you should allways use the netinstall image |
| 21:05.01 | mina_linux_Tux | sepski: :( |
| 21:05.02 | ustunozgur | CyberTop: ? |
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| 21:05.15 | sepski | night |
| 21:05.17 | CyberTop | ustunozgur: ?? |
| 21:05.30 | valdyn | tvynr: man hdparm |
| 21:05.42 | CyberTop | my problem is taht |
| 21:05.42 | tvynr | helo: xhost, xauth |
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| 21:05.47 | tvynr | valdyn: Will do; thanks. |
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| 21:06.03 | Danielss89 | anyone have a idea of which encryption this is? $1$f614dcb0$U.R8hrN4kmA/kkMFfhDkR. |
| 21:06.08 | mina_linux_Tux | sepski: any pointer to this netinstall ? |
| 21:06.23 | ustunozgur | you didn't answer what I asked. |
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| 21:06.43 | tvynr | Danielss89: Looks vaguely like the contents of an /etc/shadow file. Why? |
| 21:06.44 | ustunozgur | can't you run it as normal user? |
| 21:07.08 | CyberTop | end whe i click on icon is run: You are mot allowed to access the system configuration |
| 21:07.12 | CyberTop | superuser |
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| 21:07.25 | CyberTop | end when i click on icon is run: You are mot allowed to access the system configuration |
| 21:07.40 | HyperDevil | why is Hyper-Threading disabled with my smp linux kernel on Etch? |
| 21:08.08 | Danielss89 | well its a password encrypted by postfixadmin, tvynr, and i want the user to be able to change their password, so i has to find out which encryption it is |
| 21:09.13 | tvynr | Danielss89: You really don't want to mess with that kind of thing directly. I'm taking it that the user in question doesn't have permission to run postfixadmin. How about writing a script that calls postfixadmin to change a password? Then you can make the script owned by root and give sudo access to it. |
| 21:10.09 | tvynr | Danielss89: I have similar scripts on my machine. For instance, I have a script called "loopmount" that allows users who have sudo access to it to mount a .iso in /media/loop. But since they only have sudo access to that script and not mount itself, it's relatively safe (unless I made the script vulnerable). |
| 21:10.39 | HyperDevil | why is Hyper-Threading disabled with my smp linux kernel on Etch? |
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| 21:11.08 | test__ | hi, whats wrong in this dhcpd.conf ? I want PXE booting http://pastebin.ca/495613 |
| 21:11.21 | Danielss89 | tvynr im writing a mail function for my website, and my userinfo is stored in one table and then postfix uses user info from another table... |
| 21:11.35 | Danielss89 | and i have to make those two work together.. |
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| 21:12.11 | tvynr | Danielss89: So you want to have your web app be able to change the password stored in postfix's table based upon the information it contains? |
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| 21:12.46 | Danielss89 | no not based on the information.. |
| 21:12.52 | ustunozgur | CyberTop: did you try as a normal user from cli? |
| 21:13.12 | tvynr | Danielss89: Well, you want a webapp to change a postfix user's password, though? |
| 21:13.13 | Danielss89 | i just want the user to be able to change password, and for that i just have to find out which encryption is used so that i can encrypt the new password |
| 21:13.20 | Danielss89 | yeah :P |
| 21:13.25 | HyperDevil | why is Hyper-Threading disabled with my smp linux kernel on Etch? |
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| 21:13.59 | tvynr | Danielss89: I agree with your first statement but not your following assumption. I don't think you need to encrypt the new password; I think it'd be best for you to use whatever utility postfix would normally use for changing passwords and let postfix do the work. |
| 21:14.00 | CyberTop | ustunozgur: i don't understand |
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| 21:14.23 | Danielss89 | ok.. |
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| 21:14.55 | tvynr | Danielss89: If you were root on the machine and wanted to change a postfix user's password manually, how would you do it? |
| 21:15.05 | orsonork | test_: sorry, i can't help you, i've never worked with PXE booting |
| 21:15.06 | Danielss89 | hmm i wonder if i can change the postfix system just to read out info from my table |
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| 21:15.24 | Danielss89 | tvynr well the thing is that all the user info is stored in mysql |
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| 21:15.47 | tvynr | Danielss89: Well, yes. But I'd be willing to bet that there's a command-line utility or some other simple interface to let a sysadmin change a password. |
| 21:16.26 | tvynr | Danielss89: I use Courier for my mail server. It's ugly at the moment, but since it's a private mail server I can live with ugly. There are a series of steps I can use to change a user's password; I put 'em in a script. |
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| 21:17.08 | ustunozgur | Cyberdork: From what I understand, root cannor access X. Ok, now first install "sudo" and "gksu" packages. |
| 21:17.20 | Danielss89 | okey tvynr |
| 21:17.23 | tvynr | Danielss89: Sadly, of course, the script has to be run as root. But you could give the daemon user sudo access to that so that your webapp could run a subprocess call to sudo to run the script. |
| 21:17.50 | Danielss89 | ok.. |
| 21:17.52 | HyperDevil | why is Hyper-Threading disabled with my smp linux kernel on Etch? |
| 21:18.11 | tvynr | Danielss89: Suffice to say that I really don't think you want to mess with the guts of postfix nor its data. The easiest and most maintainable way to handle it would be to get postfix to do the work for you. :) |
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| 21:19.02 | Danielss89 | okey tvynr thx.. i will try that |
| 21:19.32 | tvynr | valdyn: I found the -w flag for hdparm that says "Perform a device reset", which seems to be what I want. However, it also says "DANGEROUS" beside that. Should I be hesitant to hdparm -w /dev/hdb to reset the drive? Am I likely to explode? |
| 21:19.39 | tvynr | Danielss89: No problem. Good luck to you. :) |
| 21:20.13 | mike1o | how can I execute xsane without root privileges? |
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| 21:21.03 | HyperDevil | why is Hyper-Threading disabled with my smp linux kernel on Etch? |
| 21:21.15 | rahul | stoned: boo |
| 21:21.23 | rahul | stoned: get on a train to midtown |
| 21:22.15 | rahul | hop to it, boah |
| 21:22.59 | Danielss89 | thank you tvynr |
| 21:23.35 | wols | HymnToLife: what kernel exactly is it? |
| 21:24.18 | wols | tvynr: worst could be data loss |
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| 21:24.20 | karsten | HymnToLife: Probably the default value. HT is pretty much a no-op for performance under Linux. |
| 21:24.22 | wols | most likely is a crash |
| 21:24.32 | rahul | someone kick stoned's ass |
| 21:24.38 | wols | !kick stoned |
| 21:24.43 | karsten | HymnToLife: man bootparm or check kernel docs for how to enable it, I suspect you can if you must. |
| 21:24.47 | rahul | nice, heh |
| 21:24.49 | karsten | rahul: Close enough. |
| 21:24.59 | wols | sorry. wrong side, but I guess it has the same effect |
| 21:25.04 | rahul | the taint would have been closer, but eh, good enough |
| 21:25.23 | karsten | me wonders if rahul has heard of tainted money. |
| 21:25.31 | rahul | heh |
| 21:25.33 | wols | karsten: I heard of tainted love |
| 21:25.59 | karsten | HymnToLife: Note that HT is *not* the same as dual core, which does provide real benefits. |
| 21:26.03 | tvynr | wols: But just regarding the drive in question? I have an optical drive here that isn't mounted. It's going daffy in that it refuses to read anything past about 680Mb on this disc. I happen to know that it's a properly burned DVD containing 4.3Gb of data (partially because my other optical drive sees it fine). So I need to shake some sense into the optical drive. |
| 21:26.04 | karsten | wols: That's a soft sell. |
| 21:26.16 | rahul | tainted love is a tease |
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| 21:26.34 | karsten | rahul: Yeah, but I love you (though you hurt me so) |
| 21:26.47 | rahul | heh |
| 21:26.58 | wols | awful video |
| 21:27.02 | rahul | don't love my taint, love my arse! |
| 21:27.25 | rahul | heh |
| 21:27.35 | rahul | you're supposed to say "that's waht she said" |
| 21:28.25 | wols | rahul: you must be young |
| 21:28.39 | rahul | you can tell that by looking at the taint |
| 21:28.48 | wols | and didn't experience the time when MTV meant "music TV" |
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| 21:28.55 | rahul | erm |
| 21:28.57 | rahul | sure I did |
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| 21:29.11 | rahul | there's a reason I don't watch it any more |
| 21:29.13 | helo | hahahaha |
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| 21:29.33 | dc | how do i search for access points? ifconfig eth1 up scan |
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| 21:29.36 | dc | ?? |
| 21:29.37 | rahul | karsten: heh! |
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| 21:29.41 | karsten | dc: kismet |
| 21:30.32 | wols | dc: airodump-ng |
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| 21:31.52 | keith80403 | How can I get "pvdisplay" to show the VG name of a drive that is now at /dev/hdb ? I can see the VB names at /dev/hda |
| 21:32.04 | keith80403 | My problem is that I've had to add a new /dev/hda drive in order to recover data from an intact, but non-bootable drive that used to be the boot disk. Now, though, LVM doesn't see the volumes I want to recover on /dev/hdb..... |
| 21:32.28 | karsten | keith80403: In general, read the LVM HOWTO, which is pretty excellent. |
| 21:32.48 | tvynr | dc: Nitty gritty is, I think, iwconfig eth1 scan |
| 21:33.46 | karsten | dc: Not all wireless devices support "scan", in fact many don't. |
| 21:33.47 | keith80403 | karsten, I'll try that, wish me luck. Nobody's home over on #lvm... |
| 21:33.47 | dc | yeah, it says unrecognized command |
| 21:33.47 | dc | scan |
| 21:33.47 | ustunozgur | what was the command to change the look and feel of qt apps under gnome? |
| 21:33.54 | tvynr | dc: Does iwconfig eth1 do anything good for you? |
| 21:34.00 | wols | dc: you usually have to put it in monitor mode. I do have with mine for example |
| 21:34.16 | wols | and then, if it can scan it might not be able to inject (like mine) |
| 21:34.32 | karsten | ustunozgur: kcontrol? |
| 21:34.46 | karsten | ustunozgur: The KDE control center in general. |
| 21:35.17 | dc | ok, when do iwconfig eth1, it just gives me the info about the adapter |
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| 21:35.26 | dc | how do i get it into monitor mode? |
| 21:35.30 | karsten | dc: man iwconfig |
| 21:35.53 | karsten | dc: w/o args (just the interface) it reports values. |
| 21:35.59 | ustunozgur | karsten: maybe that changes too, but I had used a different application for qt3 apps. |
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| 21:36.20 | yigal | is there a reason that Debian is still using 2.18 kernel? |
| 21:36.26 | streuner | heh |
| 21:36.29 | wols | dc: for what you want to do, all you need is aircrack-ng, nothing else |
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| 21:36.42 | streuner | yigal: what's wrong with 2.6.18? |
| 21:37.12 | tvynr | hehe... 2.18... sudo apt-get install time-machine :-P |
| 21:37.13 | yigal | streuner: nothing is wrong with 2.18 but isn't it a good idea to keep up with kernel development? |
| 21:37.19 | ustunozgur | ok, it's qt3-qtconfig |
| 21:37.25 | h3sp4wn | dc: iwlist eth1 scan (that is the usual syntax) - wpa_supplicant has a scanner you could try if that doesn't work |
| 21:38.11 | streuner | yigal: folks who work on d-i (debian-installer) had hard times to integrated the kernel into d-i |
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| 21:39.07 | yigal | streuner: Very interesting. |
| 21:39.16 | wols | yigal: do you want a stable distro or not? |
| 21:39.28 | h3sp4wn | yigal: there is other issues with newer kernels (2.6.21 especially) - 2.6.18 has the advantage of also being used by RHEL 5 |
| 21:39.34 | dc | ok, iwlist eth1 scan |
| 21:39.38 | wols | yigal: btw, no one makes you continue to use 2.6.18. you can always get the latest kernel source and compile it |
| 21:39.39 | yigal | wols: I am using debian unstable - so not particularly |
| 21:40.02 | wols | yigal: then wy do you complain? unstable has .21 iirc. or at least .20 |
| 21:40.05 | mike1o | I can only scan as root with xsane, is it because /dev/usbscanner is owned by root? |
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| 21:40.19 | yigal | wols: perhaps I do not have linux-image installed |
| 21:40.26 | dc | ok, iwlist eth1 scan does not work *** |
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| 21:41.16 | h3sp4wn | dc: what card are you using ? |
| 21:41.25 | wols | yigal: if you don't, how do you boot? |
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| 21:41.55 | yigal | wols: I don't think .20 or .20 are in the unstable repos |
| 21:42.07 | h3sp4wn | mike1o: ls -l /dev/usbscanner (what group is it under) does it have rw perms ? |
| 21:42.08 | yigal | wols: excuse me s/.20/.21 |
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| 21:42.32 | h3sp4wn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:42.56 | dc | h3sp4wn, Broadcom 4318 |
| 21:43.03 | wols | !info linux-image sid |
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| 21:43.20 | yigal | h3sp4wn: I am still using 686 there seems to be no deb for it, maybe source? |
| 21:43.46 | h3sp4wn | linux-image-2.6.21-1-amd64 (is on my mirror - dunno) |
| 21:44.13 | yigal | h3sp4wn: as i said i am using intel not amd |
| 21:44.15 | wols | yigal: linux-image-2.6.20-1-686 - Linux 2.6.20 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 |
| 21:44.38 | yigal | wols: yes exactly I must not be searching aptitude properly, ty both |
| 21:44.52 | wols | !kick dpkg |
| 21:44.57 | wols | why are you not answering me? |
| 21:45.33 | yigal | wols: ah, there is a special package for 20.1. The default is still .18 now I understand |
| 21:45.34 | wols | !info linux-image-2.6.20-1-686 sid |
| 21:45.37 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6.20-1-686: (Linux 2.6.20 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.20-3 (sid), Packaged size: 17086 kB, Installed size: 51696 kB |
| 21:45.47 | yigal | wols: exactly |
| 21:45.57 | h3sp4wn | yigal: linux-2.6 | 2.6.21-1 | http://ftp2.de.debian.org sid/main Sources |
| 21:46.49 | dc | hmm |
| 21:46.55 | yigal | h3sp4wn: I am not that much in need of a higher kernel version but a 2.2x is nice, a feeling that the kernel is improving :) |
| 21:46.55 | dc | i'm lost :/ |
| 21:47.42 | rahul | stoned: MSG!!! |
| 21:48.16 | h3sp4wn | yigal: I wanted dyntick / high res timers (and SD scheduler) so I had to build one myself anyway (holding together surprisingly well) |
| 21:48.20 | rahul | and I don't mean monosodium glutamate |
| 21:48.40 | h3sp4wn | dc: Are you using the opensource broadcom drivers ? loaded the firmware properly ? |
| 21:49.02 | dc | no idea, i just installed debian and it loaded the drivers for me |
| 21:49.06 | yigal | h3sp4wn: I have built my own - it used to be absolutely necessary for a laptop with Debian and it worked well even got suspend and a few other features to work well |
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| 21:49.49 | yigal | h3sp4wn: that was only 2 years ago :) |
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| 21:50.34 | h3sp4wn | yigal: still no PREEMPT debian kernels also (Maybe I wouldn't bother if those existed) but if you are going to build one anyway may as well have all the stuff you want in it |
| 21:51.05 | h3sp4wn | dc: If you have not used fwcutter yet then you need to or it definately won't work |
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| 21:51.13 | ustunozgur | I have last.fm installed, but the application looks very ugly. How do I change its look and feel? |
| 21:51.27 | musy1 | would any of you say that debian is a more stable platform than ubuntu to develop on? |
| 21:51.45 | yigal | ustunozgur: use amarok, or rhythmbox, or xmms2, or lastfmproxy, or banshee, or xmms or ... |
| 21:51.48 | dc | h3sp4wn, ok, i'll try that |
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| 21:52.22 | dc | ok, yeah.. i dunno what do, what exactly is fwcutter |
| 21:52.30 | slacker403 | hmmm |
| 21:52.42 | slacker403 | is it easy to go from sarge to etch without re installling ? |
| 21:52.53 | h3sp4wn | dc: For extracting the non-free firmware from the windows driver or wl.o |
| 21:52.53 | yigal | slacker403: very easy |
| 21:53.04 | karsten | !tell slacker403 about upgrade |
| 21:53.08 | ustunozgur | yigal: ok, I will try those. Actually I was using last-exit, but it disconnects frequently in the middle of a song; so I decided to try the official one. |
| 21:53.23 | h3sp4wn | dc: Without the firmware its not surprising it doesn't work |
| 21:53.30 | karsten | !tell slacker403 about sarge->etch |
| 21:53.40 | slacker403 | karsten: i mean it wont mess anything up going from sarge to etch ? |
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| 21:53.49 | karsten | slacker403: And yes, that's pretty much the whole point of Debian. |
| 21:54.11 | yigal | cat /etc/apt/source.list | sed 's/etch/testing/g' > sources.list_new && cp sources.list /etc/apt |
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| 21:54.13 | slacker403 | so it will mess something up ? |
| 21:54.19 | karsten | slacker403: The release notes will note any specific issues. One of the reasons Debian takes so long to get a release out is that the aim is to iron out _all_ the bugs. |
| 21:54.37 | yigal | slacker403: no it won't - usually |
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| 21:55.01 | yigal | karsten: lol |
| 21:55.29 | yigal | slacker403: I have upgraded from etch to unstable without problems |
| 21:55.42 | yigal | slacker403: how complicated is your system? |
| 21:56.17 | slacker403 | very simple |
| 21:56.21 | slacker403 | base sarge installl |
| 21:56.28 | slacker403 | nothing else |
| 21:56.34 | yigal | slacker403: just upgrade |
| 21:56.55 | valdyn | slacker403: you need a 2.6 kernel running first |
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| 21:57.20 | slacker403 | just curious |
| 21:57.24 | slacker403 | im coming from slackware |
| 21:57.27 | yigal | slacker403: cat /etc/apt/source.list | sed 's/etch/testing/g' > sources.list_new && cp sources.list_new /etc/apt/sources.list_new && apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 21:57.33 | slacker403 | so hopefully this will be a nice transition |
| 21:57.43 | ustunozgur | yigal: does banshee allow to listen lastfm url's too? or does it just report what I am listening? |
| 21:58.02 | slacker403 | hopefully debian still keeps it simple |
| 21:58.09 | yigal | ustunozgur: I believe so but I use lastfmproxy with streamripper so I can download the songs as I listen |
| 21:58.28 | valdyn | slacker403: debian is simple, but the slack way wont work at all |
| 21:58.35 | yigal | ustunozgur: I use mpd or xmms2 to listen because they are very light weight and I have a week machine |
| 21:58.37 | slacker403 | what do you mean ? |
| 21:58.57 | ustunozgur | yigal: ok, thanks. |
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| 21:59.24 | valdyn | slacker403: means that you should use aptitude/apt-get for almost any software you install/remove |
| 21:59.30 | chlue | Hello. I had etch and testing in my sourcec.list. Now I added unstable and set the default to testing. The problem is, i have a packet installed, that has a newer version in etch than in testing. Now aptitude want to upgrade this file to the one in unstable. What do I need to do, so that aptitude never want to use a packet from unstable as long as i not request it manually? |
| 21:59.30 | ustunozgur | yigal: there is also shell-fm |
| 22:00.01 | yigal | ustunozgur: not so nice on resources |
| 22:00.18 | yigal | ustunozgur: lastbash is better but still not best |
| 22:00.31 | valdyn | slacker403: as opposed to slack, which has no real package management at all |
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| 22:00.36 | slacker403 | valdyn: yea well slackware doesnt really have nay offical onlime repos stufff |
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| 22:00.55 | valdyn | slacker403: that has nothing to do with official repos yet |
| 22:00.58 | h3sp4wn | chlue: You could set unstable to a priority of 1 (man apt_preferences) |
| 22:01.03 | ustunozgur | yigal: ok, resources is important for me, so I will try your suggestions. I wish Pandora wasn't banned however, it was better. |
| 22:01.08 | slacker403 | i just want simple un bloated but something i can update |
| 22:01.21 | valdyn | slacker403: but about the way you control which files get installed or not, aka package management |
| 22:01.47 | yigal | ustunozgur: I suggest you use lastfmproxy if you would like to download the music |
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| 22:02.02 | yigal | ustunozgur: I also suggest that you use xmms2 if you don't really need this feature |
| 22:02.02 | ustunozgur | ok, thanks. |
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| 22:02.12 | yigal | ustunozgur: best |
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| 22:02.31 | ustunozgur | and which client for xmms2? |
| 22:02.57 | yigal | ustunozgur: if they all fail, use amarok because even though it is QT it works really well with last.fm; xmms2-plugin-lastfm |
| 22:03.11 | yoshio | chlue: http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning |
| 22:03.37 | CyberTop | boys can it possible to return the system configuration ferst of upgrade |
| 22:04.04 | ustunozgur | amarok hogs my machine :) I was asking for the guil for xmms2, which one? |
| 22:04.23 | yigal | ustunozgur: oh I am strictly command line |
| 22:04.27 | ustunozgur | ok. |
| 22:05.03 | chlue | thanks, that seem to work. |
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| 22:06.18 | dos000 | howdy |
| 22:06.30 | dos000 | i just installed etch on the first time |
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| 22:06.47 | lontra | dos000, good |
| 22:06.59 | h3sp4wn | ustunozgur: euphoria (part of e17 , worked ok when I tried it) |
| 22:07.07 | dos000 | for some reason grub thinks /dev/hda is in fact /dev/sda ... |
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| 22:07.21 | karsten | dos000: That'll vary depending on kernel and SATA drivers. |
| 22:07.23 | dos000 | installer (expert mode) detected the drive as hda |
| 22:07.39 | karsten | dos000: installer runs a different kernel than the installed OS. |
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| 22:07.54 | h3sp4wn | The installer uses devfs still afaik |
| 22:08.15 | dos000 | karsten, i had 2.6.18 .. then i recompiled 2.6.20 using ubuntu .config .. |
| 22:08.18 | chlue | is there any potential danger to use aptitude while kde is running. Till now it works fine, but I am not sure if there could be conficts with running programs. I don't like Kpackage and Synaptic, compared to aptitude they feel slow and it is easier to understand the dependary's. |
| 22:08.33 | dos000 | 2.6.18 is still fine booting ... |
| 22:08.51 | karsten | dos000: Point being: hda/sda are roughly interchangeable. Just make sure your /etc/fstab knows what you're talking about. |
| 22:09.19 | karsten | chlue: In general, no. |
| 22:09.31 | dos000 | karsten, the most pressing issue i have is that none of the services i have specially ssh is reachable |
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| 22:09.48 | dos000 | karsten, i ketp redoing /etc/ini.t/ssh restart |
| 22:09.48 | karsten | chlue: Occasionaly you may find something that works better after restarting. I run updates all the time and typically keep my desktop running for days/weeks w/o restart. |
| 22:09.55 | dos000 | it wont show up in netstat |
| 22:10.09 | h3sp4wn | chlue: ocassionally your .kde directory may get messed up (if you have alot of settings that you care for then keep a backup) |
| 22:10.16 | karsten | dos000: Well, that's a totally different issue. |
| 22:10.22 | dos000 | dont know what the hell is going on at all |
| 22:10.34 | karsten | dos000: Check your logs, run sshd manually in interactive mode /w debug and see what it bitches about. |
| 22:10.42 | dos000 | karsten, it started with that issue .. |
| 22:10.44 | karsten | dos000: /var/log/messages, /var/log/daemon.log |
| 22:10.59 | karsten | dos000: Dual-boot system by any chance? |
| 22:10.59 | dos000 | thanks |
| 22:11.05 | dos000 | i will go take a look |
| 22:11.20 | karsten | dos000: grep ssh /var/log/{messages,daemon.log} | less |
| 22:11.44 | dos000 | karsten, whats the minimum i should see in netstat ? |
| 22:11.55 | karsten | dos000: /etc/init.d/ssh stop; /sbin/sshd -Dv |
| 22:12.10 | dmlb2000 | anyone on an updated etch box want to verify for me that libssl-dev doesn't install??? |
| 22:13.19 | streuner | heh |
| 22:13.29 | karsten | dos000: Actually, I'm not sure you will. I've got it running here (I know) but only see a tcp6 listener, w/ "netstat -tplv" (as root). |
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| 22:14.46 | karsten | dos000: 'lsof | grep sshd' also only shows the tcpv6 listener. |
| 22:14.58 | dos000 | ah ! |
| 22:14.59 | h3sp4wn | dos000: Should appear in - netstat -plunt (or does for me) |
| 22:15.16 | ustunozgur | xmms2 is too hard for me. amarok will do better I guess. |
| 22:15.25 | h3sp4wn | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:22 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 2661/sshd |
| 22:15.34 | karsten | tcp6 0 0 :::22 :::* LISTEN - |
| 22:15.49 | dos000 | karsten, h3sp4wn netstat -plunt always comes back empty |
| 22:16.03 | karsten | h3sp4wn: Interesting. I must have some tcp6 running then. Hrm. |
| 22:16.15 | streuner | hehe |
| 22:16.18 | karsten | dos000: Fire up sshd manually as I showed you then and see what it bitches about. |
| 22:16.45 | shogunx | karsten inclusion of the v6 kernel module will do that. |
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| 22:18.05 | dos000 | karsten, it does not like the -Dv .. looking up the correct ones now |
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| 22:21.01 | dos000 | karsten, when ethc is installed what services normally are started ? is it no service at all ! i am thinking maybe i did something becasue netstat -plunt should come back with at least one entry |
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| 22:21.35 | karsten | dos000: Etch installs *no* services by default. |
| 22:21.43 | dos000 | heh ! |
| 22:22.00 | karsten | dos000: You want services? Install 'em. Erm, remote services. You'll have cron, at, etc., running, of course. |
| 22:22.13 | dos000 | sarge had a few .. so this is good its not a mistake |
| 22:22.16 | karsten | dpkg -l | grep ssh |
| 22:22.16 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep ssh |
| 22:22.30 | karsten | dos000: ^^ |
| 22:22.34 | karsten | dpkg: Shut up! |
| 22:22.34 | dpkg | get lost, jerkoff |
| 22:22.38 | dos000 | karsten, it loos like nothing listening for a port is installed nada |
| 22:22.50 | karsten | dos000: Right. Clean install. |
| 22:23.06 | yigal | dpkg -l | ssh |
| 22:23.06 | dpkg | No packages found matching | ssh |
| 22:23.07 | dos000 | karsten, very nice .. i like |
| 22:23.20 | karsten | dos000: Sort of like ... DOS ;-) |
| 22:23.27 | yigal | dpkg -l sshe |
| 22:23.27 | dpkg | No packages found matching sshe |
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| 22:23.36 | dos000 | karsten, lol |
| 22:23.36 | yigal | :) |
| 22:24.01 | shogunx | !slap dpkg |
| 22:24.16 | dos000 | i have ssh .. i am sure |
| 22:24.41 | karsten | dos000: openssh-client / openssh-server are the relevant packages. |
| 22:24.54 | karsten | dos000: dpkg -l | grep ssh |
| 22:24.58 | tarzeau | Seb: got your fglrx fixed? |
| 22:25.01 | yigal | dpkg -l ssh |
| 22:25.02 | dpkg | ii ssh 1.1-3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 22:25.10 | karsten | yigal: Stop doing that please. |
| 22:25.15 | yigal | ok :( |
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| 22:25.26 | tarzeau | liable: and you? |
| 22:25.35 | xdx | hi i have a problem, i want to install vmware, and i need linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686 ..and i install it, and it doesnt work ..any suggestion ? |
| 22:25.58 | yigal | xdx: you indeed have a problem why vmware and not virtual box? |
| 22:26.06 | dos000 | xdx, your are not going to get much help with "it does not work" |
| 22:26.13 | tarzeau | !doesn't work |
| 22:26.13 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
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| 22:26.28 | tarzeau | yigal: or qemu |
| 22:26.52 | xdx | What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running |
| 22:26.52 | xdx | kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] |
| 22:27.02 | xdx | and i install the header |
| 22:27.03 | yigal | tarzeau: I would maybe agree with you but virtual box is better in general for XP, compared to vmware both are better |
| 22:27.05 | helo | how do i get rid of aptitude untrusted package warnings? |
| 22:27.18 | yigal | helo: public key |
| 22:27.33 | karsten | helo: /topic |
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| 22:27.47 | tarzeau | helo: get rid of aptitude: apt-get --purge remove aptitude |
| 22:28.02 | karsten | tarzeau: Don't say that. |
| 22:28.07 | karsten | helo: Don't do what tarzeau said. |
| 22:28.07 | helo | tarzeau: see /m dpkg aptitude clone |
| 22:28.10 | yigal | tarzeau: oh, man why do you have to rid of aptitude, the search function is very nice |
| 22:28.11 | dos000 | which package does the auto-completion when i type apt-get ? that was neat ! |
| 22:28.14 | sandman_ | How do I get mencoder in Debian? |
| 22:28.24 | tarzeau | yigal: it's crap, apt-get is so much nicer |
| 22:28.30 | tarzeau | yigal: faster and needs way less memory |
| 22:28.31 | karsten | dos000: Your shell. |
| 22:28.41 | yigal | tarzeau: but I have to apt-cache etc. |
| 22:28.44 | tarzeau | sandman_: build your own package? or use mine, gnu.ethz.ch/debian/mplayer/ |
| 22:28.48 | karsten | dos000: Auto-completing what? the command name? |
| 22:28.49 | helo | tarzeau: what do you mean by "so much nicer"? |
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| 22:29.05 | yigal | tarzeau: I am sure a little script would get me more interested in apt-get but I am lazy |
| 22:29.05 | tarzeau | helo: try apt-get moo |
| 22:29.09 | sandman_ | tarzeau: I already built it |
| 22:29.11 | dos000 | karsten, i have the same shell (bash) i had etch installed earlier and was glad to see apt-get install getting auto completed |
| 22:29.14 | lontra | helo, don't remove aptitude ... just install the public key |
| 22:29.14 | tarzeau | sandman_: so? |
| 22:29.15 | sandman_ | I was just wondering where mencoder was in Debian |
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| 22:29.22 | tarzeau | sandman_: they can't distribute it |
| 22:29.24 | sandman_ | Maybe I was missnig something |
| 22:29.25 | sandman_ | Oh... |
| 22:29.27 | lontra | tarzeau, so apt-get moo is what makes apt-get nicer ;) |
| 22:29.30 | dos000 | karsten, not the command the packages |
| 22:29.37 | yigal | helo: try, "aptitude moo" |
| 22:29.41 | karsten | yigal: If you'd like a slightly less biased opinion: /msg dpkg aptitude and read the referenced factoids. Note that aptitude is teh default package management tool in etch, apt-get is deprecated. |
| 22:29.42 | lontra | is mencoder in debian-multimedia? |
| 22:29.42 | tarzeau | sandman_: see debian-legal |
| 22:29.49 | karsten | dos000: Context? |
| 22:29.52 | tarzeau | lontra: no, it's the other two points i mentioned above |
| 22:30.10 | amerej | any module to replace tulip i think i doesn't work well |
| 22:30.18 | lontra | i see but it think aptitude is much better at dependency resolving |
| 22:30.33 | yigal | karsten: as far as I was aware apt-get has made vital improvements to compare comparably with aptitude, its nice to see aptitude is finally the choice over apt-get |
| 22:30.37 | dos000 | karsten, for exemple if i type apt-get install openssh and tab .. it will give me the list of packages satrting with openssh |
| 22:30.41 | lontra | tarzeau, when are you going to package bub-n-bros? |
| 22:30.41 | tarzeau | karsten: oh nos! and aptitude isn't parameter backward compatible :( |
| 22:30.55 | karsten | tarzeau: Stop giving out bad/bogus recommendations |
| 22:30.58 | h3sp4wn | yigal: Only the one in experimental |
| 22:31.00 | tarzeau | lontra: when abrotman gets DD or when he maintains a package in debian |
| 22:31.08 | lontra | tarzeau, ha ha ha |
| 22:31.13 | karsten | dos000: Running zsh? |
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| 22:31.16 | yigal | h3sp4wn: ok, healthy competition |
| 22:31.24 | tarzeau | karsten: i truly believe it was not bad nor bogus |
| 22:31.32 | dos000 | karsten, i always use bash .. even in solaris ! |
| 22:31.54 | dos000 | karsten, spoiled by bash ! |
| 22:32.14 | yigal | dos000: I am spoiled by bash also, couldn't live on a computer with out it |
| 22:32.18 | lontra | slowaris! |
| 22:32.38 | dos000 | i tought their must be a package that allows bash to do that for package names |
| 22:32.40 | pipeline | lontra: humbug |
| 22:32.48 | tarzeau | lontra: the os isn't that slow, but their framebuffer sucks somehow badly |
| 22:32.48 | pipeline | lontra: also, aptitude uses the same libapt as everything else for dependency resolution |
| 22:32.49 | h3sp4wn | there is - but zsh still does it better |
| 22:33.05 | pipeline | lontra: it's just that aptitude additionally installs recommendations and suggestions by default |
| 22:33.07 | lontra | pipeline, not true ... aptitude is much better at resolving dependencies |
| 22:33.20 | pipeline | lontra: err, no. |
| 22:33.21 | dos000 | btw: its normal on ubunut .. i always wished sarge had it .. and how glad was i wheni saw it in etch |
| 22:33.23 | tarzeau | pipeline: suggestions, not afaik |
| 22:33.23 | pipeline | lontra: libapt is libapt is libapt. |
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| 22:33.33 | tarzeau | lontra: i never noticed something like that |
| 22:33.41 | pipeline | lontra: it's not like there's a special golden magic libapt just for aptitude. |
| 22:33.58 | tarzeau | pipeline: thanks :) |
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| 22:34.09 | lontra | pipeline, well use what you will ... i find aptitude to work better for me in situtations where apt-get is fucked |
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| 22:34.24 | pipeline | lontra: Well, congratulations. It has fuckall to do with dependency resolution. |
| 22:34.40 | kombi | how did one completely and utterly remove a package again? apt-remove --purge something? |
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| 22:35.06 | lontra | apt-get remove --purge |
| 22:35.07 | cafuego | kombi: apt-get remove --purge or dpkg -P |
| 22:35.09 | tarzeau | lontra, karsten besides when apt-get (apt) is deprecated, how is aptitude remove apt not possible? |
| 22:35.17 | kombi | thanks! |
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| 22:35.29 | helo | hmm... the instructions given by '/m dpkg aptitude clone' didn't work... it ended up installing a bunch of crap i didn't have on the first system |
| 22:35.49 | pipeline | tarzeau, lontra, karsten : I believe being "deprecated" just means that it could disappear in a future release. *shrug* |
| 22:36.07 | tarzeau | pipeline: i doubt it can disappear anytime in the future |
| 22:36.09 | pipeline | yigal: fortunately for you, then, bash has been ported to an obscene number of platforms. |
| 22:36.13 | lontra | !tell helo about aptitude clone |
| 22:36.19 | pipeline | tarzeau: seeing as dselect is still in etch, my guess would be that it will not :) |
| 22:36.23 | tarzeau | pipeline: it's actively developped on... and aptitude is far from replacing it |
| 22:36.37 | tarzeau | pipeline: you can safely remove dselect and aptitude... |
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| 22:36.45 | h3sp4wn | dos000: simply you just need to look at the last 3 lines of /etc/skel/.bashrc (and add to yours or roots .bashrc) |
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| 22:39.51 | dos000 | h3sp4wn, nice to know .. wonder which package installs this ? |
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| 22:41.36 | helo | lontra: umm... i just said that didn't work.... |
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| 22:41.56 | helo | all it did was reinstall the kernel package |
| 22:42.19 | dos000 | h3sp4wn, btw .. the feature i was talking about is package completion no command lines |
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| 22:43.54 | h3sp4wn | dos000: Did you read /etc/bash_completion ? |
| 22:44.11 | h3sp4wn | dos000: It does what you want |
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| 22:45.55 | h3sp4wn | dos000: (still not as well as zsh does though) by a long shot |
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| 22:49.30 | dos000 | h3sp4wn, it looks like i should get package completion based on /etc/bash_completion .. but i am not getting it |
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| 22:50.02 | rahul | if anyone sees stoned tell him to call me |
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| 22:50.17 | abrotman | memosrv broken ? |
| 22:50.37 | rahul | you never know what nick he's going to log on as :P |
| 22:50.40 | h3sp4wn | dos000: And you sourced it ? |
| 22:50.50 | abrotman | rahul: he should get them if the nicks are linked |
| 22:50.58 | dos000 | h3sp4wn, its in my bashrc file |
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| 22:51.34 | dos000 | h3sp4wn, i cant tell if its already sourced |
| 22:52.04 | Alarm | hello i am reading a guide of how to configure Lirc . there is a line written. "After this configuration is finished, you will see a message in your terminal about which LIRC module will be used" . as i installed it from the repo. i didnt see any name of module. how can i find which module is used so i can load it ? |
| 22:52.10 | rahul | he probably won't be able to figure out how to get the message |
| 22:52.25 | rahul | oh, and he's on right now, just idle and no clue if I'll catch a msg. |
| 22:52.43 | dos000 | h3sp4wn, sourcing it makes it work |
| 22:52.49 | cafuego | rahul: I'm right here, shut up. |
| 22:52.50 | rahul | anyway, kick him in the nuts when he'sactually here |
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| 22:53.18 | rahul | I'm not that stoned :P |
| 22:53.25 | cafuego | lies |
| 22:53.37 | rahul | I'm getting there |
| 22:53.40 | martiancode | folks I'm trying to reinstall all the packages :-D |
| 22:53.43 | rahul | damn |
| 22:53.51 | rahul | and I'm listening to the birthday girl's song about me |
| 22:54.49 | martiancode | just don't remember how to tell a command get the list from a text file using the for loop |
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| 22:55.22 | martiancode | for i in "what"; do aptitude reinstall; done :-D |
| 22:55.27 | tarzeau | martiancode: apt-get --reinstall install `COLUMNS=160 dpkg -l | grep ^ii | awk '{print $2}'` ? |
| 22:55.43 | tarzeau | maybe add -uy and --force-whatever |
| 22:56.03 | abrotman | !reinstall |
| 22:56.04 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install |
| 22:56.35 | martiancode | ooh !! |
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| 22:57.18 | karsten | martiancode: You can also use "ls /usr/share/doc/ | grep -v '^[A-Z]' ) as a list of installed packages. |
| 22:57.48 | karsten | martiancode: Debian Policy *requires* packages create entries there. Anything uppercased is other docs (not specifically package-related). |
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| 22:58.49 | martiancode | karsten: tarzeau thanks !! |
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| 22:59.52 | lontra | this is terrific ... http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ |
| 23:00.01 | tarzeau | lontra: it's good |
| 23:00.13 | negrita | holas a todos |
| 23:00.17 | abrotman | !es |
| 23:00.17 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 23:00.17 | lontra | tarzeau, do you know how well it works? |
| 23:00.24 | tarzeau | lontra: i know it works |
| 23:01.05 | negrita | solo hablo epanish |
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| 23:01.22 | negrita | spanish |
| 23:01.48 | abrotman | !es |
| 23:01.48 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 23:04.46 | lontra | tarzeau, b-n-b? |
| 23:05.39 | tarzeau | lontra: good idea :) let me start a server |
| 23:05.39 | tarzeau | any joiners go #bub-n-bros |
| 23:05.40 | h2k | unstable has now iceweasel 2.0? |
| 23:05.47 | helo | i just swapped out nics, what do i need to do so the right module will be loaded etc? |
| 23:05.52 | lontra | h2k, .. ah so does stable :D |
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| 23:05.54 | cafuego | helo: usually nothing |
| 23:05.57 | h2k | anyways, on amd64, iceweasel 2.0 isn't working |
| 23:06.19 | abrotman | h2k: define 'not working' |
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| 23:06.19 | h2k | aarhj |
| 23:06.19 | marcus | Hello people. I'm looking for some kind of app which could let my family manage their files, which are placed on my server through their machines, eg like sharing users. When they log into their computers it's something like mounting the remote home/user and using it's files, but using the client computer for calculations etc... Any ideas? |
| 23:06.19 | h2k | icedove |
| 23:06.36 | h2k | i meant icedove, not iceweasel, sorry |
| 23:06.37 | cafuego | marcus: samba |
| 23:06.45 | helo | cafuego: in this case, nothing isn't working :) |
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| 23:06.59 | h2k | /usr/lib/icedove/run-mozilla.sh: line 131: 4786 Segmentation fault "$prog" ${1+"$@"} |
| 23:06.59 | h2k | and that's it |
| 23:07.00 | dkr | marcus: samba |
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| 23:07.06 | cafuego | helo: Is the nic supported? Is there an /etc/iftab with the wrong mac? |
| 23:07.12 | helo | maybe delete the rule from /etc/udev/rules.d/z25-static-networking or whatever? |
| 23:07.19 | nova | hey got a really quick question. Friend is installing ubuntu a debian distro but this is applicable to all debian distros i suspect. Hes getting <Dunny> buffer i/o error on device hda, logical block 0 as the error with a prompt. If im not mistaken that is the mbr location and quite possibly bad hd |
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| 23:07.28 | h2k | /usr/lib/icedove/icedove-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libmozjs.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32 |
| 23:07.34 | h2k | and that's all I get |
| 23:07.36 | nova | am i correct in my assumtion here? |
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| 23:07.44 | marcus | cafuego, dkr, can I "share" users through samba? eg, if I add one user on theserver will it be "added" on the client? |
| 23:08.14 | cafuego | marcus: with domain logos yes - we're assuming btw the clients use windows. |
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| 23:08.27 | cafuego | domain logons |
| 23:08.39 | marcus | cafuego, all client's are linux |
| 23:08.45 | abrotman | the logos are way cooler :) |
| 23:09.04 | cafuego | marcus: Then you'll want ldap or nis with home directories on NFS. |
| 23:09.11 | cafuego | and/or pam_mount |
| 23:09.11 | dkr | wow, family members using linux, must be a nice geeky family :) |
| 23:09.19 | nova | heh |
| 23:10.04 | marcus | cafuego, ok, ldap does it.. thanks :) |
| 23:10.20 | marcus | dkr, I even got my grandparents to use it :) |
| 23:10.20 | cafuego | pam_ldap is a bit of a bastard, just so you're forewarned |
| 23:11.15 | marcus | cafuego, I see... well, I'll take some more look at it :) |
| 23:11.57 | cafuego | i've had it working OK here, but I've not yet had luck making it talk to a novell eDirectory, put it that way. |
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| 23:12.17 | abrotman | a bit ? |
| 23:12.33 | cafuego | abrotman: yes. the actual bastard is pam_mount |
| 23:12.44 | cafuego | But if you hard mount /home via NFS that's a moot point. |
| 23:12.45 | abrotman | just "a bit" ? :) |
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| 23:16.11 | rahul | cafuego: you're canadian? |
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| 23:16.12 | sandman_ | Does Debian distribute lame? |
| 23:16.12 | cafuego | rahul: not quite |
| 23:16.12 | rahul | I didn't realize canadians proncounced mount as moot |
| 23:16.13 | rahul | this is interesting |
| 23:16.13 | centrx | fascinating |
| 23:16.13 | rahul | cafuego: oh, now I'm stoned, btw |
| 23:16.13 | cafuego | rahul: /nick stoned |
| 23:16.14 | rahul | :\ |
| 23:16.14 | rahul | 19:15 [freenode] -!- Nick stoned is already in use |
| 23:16.14 | cafuego | rahul: I'm *Actually* from the stoner country |
| 23:16.14 | rahul | what a waste of a nick |
| 23:16.14 | rahul | heh |
| 23:16.14 | rahul | yes |
| 23:16.27 | cafuego | so i dunno what that 'are you canadian' was all aboot |
| 23:16.35 | rahul | moot |
| 23:16.45 | rahul | it's mount, you canuck |
| 23:16.50 | abrotman | sandman_: no |
| 23:16.56 | cafuego | let's not be having abuse eh |
| 23:17.15 | rahul | everybody thinks you're slow because you talk like this eh |
| 23:17.33 | rahul | or they think that I am stoned |
| 23:17.47 | rahul | and then they see mee looking for stoned |
| 23:18.02 | cafuego | rahul: it's the randomness |
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| 23:18.19 | rahul | and then they think I should hurry off to the bar and leave them alone |
| 23:18.24 | mmlj4 | "C, eh? N, eh? D, eh?" |
| 23:18.57 | cafuego | rahul: why don't you run along to the bar now and leave us alone |
| 23:19.04 | rahul | heh |
| 23:19.17 | rahul | because I'm listening to the birthday girl |
| 23:19.24 | rahul | she's singing to me |
| 23:19.35 | karsten | Who's the b-day girl? |
| 23:19.39 | rahul | julia |
| 23:19.42 | rahul | from me talk pretty |
| 23:20.00 | abrotman | rahul: don't you have *anything* better to do? |
| 23:20.04 | cafuego | rahul: you're stoned, there is no singing on irc, only letters |
| 23:20.05 | rahul | yes |
| 23:20.09 | rahul | heh |
| 23:20.11 | rahul | hahahahaha |
| 23:20.22 | cafuego | or can you SEE the music? |
| 23:20.32 | rahul | cafuego: well, and on irc, it's a 40 year old fat man, not julia |
| 23:20.40 | cafuego | heh |
| 23:20.50 | cafuego | i'm not 40 yet |
| 23:20.51 | karsten | rahul: What do you have against 40 y.o. fat men? |
| 23:21.03 | rahul | heh |
| 23:21.11 | rahul | karsten: none of my body parts |
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| 23:21.45 | karsten | rahul: Stop that. |
| 23:21.50 | rahul | damn, Rich can't make it |
| 23:21.52 | karsten | rahul: ... you're going to give me away at work. |
| 23:22.09 | rahul | heh |
| 23:22.12 | cafuego | karsten: you hav a job? |
| 23:22.21 | karsten | cafuego: yep. |
| 23:22.30 | cafuego | what *is* the world coming to |
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| 23:22.37 | cafuego | rahul: no way |
| 23:22.42 | rahul | damn, she's been doing a good promo job |
| 23:22.44 | sander_ | Hi. Anyone know why copy paste with the middle mouse key dosnt work in Gnome-terminal? |
| 23:22.46 | rahul | whoa |
| 23:22.48 | rahul | trippy |
| 23:22.52 | gordboy | so. i thought debian was the premier distro. how comes, i don't get an answer to a simple question about repackaing using .deb ? you guys are the top boys, you're not bullshitters, or am i wrong ? |
| 23:22.53 | rahul | this is good stuff |
| 23:22.57 | abrotman | rahul: god .. shut up |
| 23:23.26 | rahul | I didn't do it :P |
| 23:23.28 | sander_ | I have to choose copy or paste in the menu.. to paste things in a Gnome-terminal window |
| 23:23.36 | cafuego | gordboy: We bullshit all the time, but I musta dmit I'm only just awake :-/ |
| 23:23.58 | rahul | gordboy: this is a user channel |
| 23:24.08 | rahul | gordboy: it's an ar of two tarballs |
| 23:24.12 | rahul | well, that too |
| 23:24.26 | cafuego | rahul: it's not talk-like-a-pirate day yet |
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| 23:24.36 | rahul | so since I don't know what the question is, I won't finish answering it |
| 23:24.40 | rahul | sure it is |
| 23:24.41 | gordboy | well thanks guys, i already figued it out. but thanks anyways |
| 23:24.47 | rahul | becaue I'm gonna get some booty tonight |
| 23:25.01 | abrotman | rahul: really .. go somewhere else |
| 23:25.05 | rahul | actually, I don't have the time for it |
| 23:25.06 | w0rd54 | rahul: the imagination is a powerful thing! |
| 23:25.09 | rahul | heh |
| 23:25.18 | rahul | it's real :\ |
| 23:25.23 | stoned | rahul: |
| 23:25.25 | rahul | you can see it on the interwebs |
| 23:25.26 | stoned | I can't make it tonight |
| 23:25.28 | rahul | stoned: get on a train |
| 23:25.31 | rahul | bastard. |
| 23:25.37 | stoned | I'm very tired and I gotta work in the morning |
| 23:25.42 | w0rd54 | rahul: be careful, you'll get banned for talking non debian stuff here ;\ |
| 23:25.43 | abrotman | just msg him you fucktard |
| 23:25.43 | stoned | plus its very cold |
| 23:25.54 | rahul | they pushed your sfigt up? |
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| 23:26.00 | stoned | yeh |
| 23:26.03 | abrotman | it's like dealing with a six year old |
| 23:26.03 | stoned | 8:30am |
| 23:26.06 | rahul | bah, ok. I'm out |
| 23:26.18 | w0rd54 | boratman: the only six year old is you....ban happy asshole. |
| 23:26.21 | rahul | gotta get this party organized |
| 23:26.27 | stoned | hahaha |
| 23:26.28 | stoned | boratman |
| 23:26.28 | abrotman | w0rd54: you've been banned more than once |
| 23:26.30 | stoned | lol |
| 23:26.31 | stoned | thats awesome |
| 23:26.33 | w0rd54 | ;) |
| 23:26.33 | w0rd54 | bye everyone |
| 23:26.37 | rahul | heh |
| 23:26.39 | w0rd54 | lol |
| 23:26.44 | w0rd54 | I'm laughing pretty hardd over here.... |
| 23:26.44 | stoned | i like to say abrotwoman |
| 23:26.49 | w0rd54 | no one takes him seriously |
| 23:26.50 | rahul | I like pie |
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| 23:27.03 | gordboy | never mind the usual dipshit BS, where's my answer ? |
| 23:27.09 | stoned | yeh the guy's a penis |
| 23:27.11 | abrotman | gordboy: what's your question |
| 23:27.13 | w0rd54 | gordboy: what's the qeustion? |
| 23:27.15 | stoned | im gonna go sleep |
| 23:27.18 | stoned | rahul msg for min |
| 23:27.22 | rahul | grr |
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| 23:27.49 | cafuego | gordboy: we're actually still waiting for the question |
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| 23:28.02 | gordboy | never mind. this is like pulling teeth. i'm off for a 20 year sleep |
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| 23:28.10 | abrotman | okay .. then don't ask |
| 23:28.11 | w0rd54 | gordboy: k, was going to help |
| 23:28.13 | cafuego | sheesh |
| 23:28.16 | Israa | hello |
| 23:28.24 | cafuego | Don't ask for help if you don't WANT any! |
| 23:28.25 | Israa | alguien en castellano que pueda ayudarme? |
| 23:28.28 | abrotman | !es |
| 23:28.29 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 23:28.55 | w0rd54 | how many debian language channels are there? |
| 23:29.03 | abrotman | try /list |
| 23:29.09 | stew | w0rd54: /msg chanserv list #debian* |
| 23:29.14 | abrotman | there are additional ones on OFTC |
| 23:29.29 | w0rd54 | ahh k... |
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| 23:29.36 | w0rd54 | surprised to see debian spanish support |
| 23:29.41 | abrotman | why? |
| 23:30.05 | w0rd54 | you don't want me to answer that... |
| 23:30.07 | dkr | ignorance |
| 23:30.09 | dkr | ;) |
| 23:30.15 | w0rd54 | dkr: clever |
| 23:30.22 | abrotman | it's the fourth most spoken language in the world |
| 23:30.33 | w0rd54 | question: if I'm updating my packages and it wants to remove my running kernel how do I hold a package back? |
| 23:30.42 | lontra | what's 1,2, and 3? |
| 23:30.43 | w0rd54 | i.e. protect from removal |
| 23:30.45 | abrotman | did you read the etch release notes ? |
| 23:30.48 | stew | w0rd54: are you upgrading from sarge->etch/ |
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| 23:31.01 | w0rd54 | stew: no, running sarge still |
| 23:31.04 | w0rd54 | I'm a late adopter... |
| 23:31.04 | cafuego | dutch, chinese and bahasa |
| 23:31.09 | abrotman | lontra: hindu, english, mandarin |
| 23:31.13 | stew | w0rd54: /msg dpkg bat |
| 23:31.14 | lontra | dutch ah ha ha |
| 23:31.16 | abrotman | not in that order :) |
| 23:31.20 | dkr | in aptitude you can hold packages with = |
| 23:31.21 | abrotman | oh wait .. yes in that order |
| 23:31.34 | abrotman | dkr: it's part of the upgrade process .. he didn't read the release notes .. it's his fault |
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| 23:31.53 | cafuego | lies! |
| 23:31.55 | abrotman | he might even be pointing at 'stable' . which will leave him with a mixed system |
| 23:32.11 | tarzeau | cafuego: http://lies.istheshit.net/ |
| 23:32.31 | dkr | ah, so accidentally upgrading from sarge to etch. yeah check your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:32.32 | w0rd54 | abrotman: thanks! |
| 23:32.43 | w0rd54 | hrm, wierd...well I have a custom kernel installed |
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| 23:32.57 | w0rd54 | and my apt sources points to sarge |
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| 23:33.05 | w0rd54 | not stable |
| 23:33.05 | abrotman | all of them ? |
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| 23:34.05 | *** topic/#debian is ETCH IS NOW STABLE: /msg dpkg etch | /msg dpkg sarge->etch ! Lenny is the new testing! | /msg dpkg lenny | /msg dpkg etch->lenny | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC | /msg dpkg bts | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java |
| 23:34.18 | w0rd54 | ahh I'm not registered on this network |
| 23:34.18 | w0rd54 | ghey... |
| 23:34.27 | lontra | gordboy, chip on your shoulder? |
| 23:35.04 | dkr | lontra: more like an entire plateau |
| 23:35.09 | cafuego | gordboy: why would we? we've known we're redundant for a long _LONG_ time. |
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| 23:35.27 | w0rd54 | stew: I was using the "ghey" of 1950's....regardless of it's offensiveness it still means "happy" or "excited" to some of us |
| 23:35.38 | stew | w0rd54: don't. |
| 23:35.42 | gordboy | well, let's put it this way. i give support on other channels here. so i didn't expect much better :) |
| 23:35.45 | w0rd54 | not a negative reference to homosexuality ;( sorry if I offended |
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| 23:35.58 | tarzeau | http://toystory.istheshit.net/ |
| 23:36.01 | lontra | gordboy, ha ha ha |
| 23:36.17 | lontra | tarzeau, ha ha |
| 23:36.26 | cafuego | gordboy: #debian is fine, just not on weekends |
| 23:36.32 | w0rd54 | being politically correct is weak...ghey ghey ghey |
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| 23:37.00 | gordboy | cafuego, don't worry, my friend. we is cool |
| 23:37.17 | cafuego | what with me being here on weekends... |
| 23:37.22 | abrotman | hehe |
| 23:37.33 | tarzeau | cafuego: as long as you don't ask for software not in debian |
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| 23:38.21 | Eagleray | I am having an interesting issue with my sound. I am running vlc on debian lenny (with a few bits of sid). When playing a video, the sound stops after about 10 secs or so. This never used to happen. Vlc is the only program affected by this. I'm using ALSA. Any ideas? |
| 23:38.35 | tarzeau | Eagleray: use esound or arts? |
| 23:38.46 | Eagleray | I haven't updated any packages, it just stopped working properly |
| 23:38.53 | Guerin | Eagleray: try mplayer; it may be an irregularity in vlc's decoding |
| 23:39.13 | tarzeau | Eagleray: what says fuser /dev/dsp ? |
| 23:39.13 | Eagleray | I am running a custom version of kernel 2.6.18. |
| 23:39.15 | Guerin | Eagleray: is it with all files, or only some? Try different codecs/containers etc. |
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| 23:39.24 | tarzeau | Eagleray: why not a later kernel, when it's custom? x86? |
| 23:39.25 | Guerin | kernel should have no bearing on this |
| 23:39.39 | Guerin | hm, is .21 in sid yet? |
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| 23:40.25 | foo | hmm, I keep clearing /etc/motd... but after a reboot, it looks like it gets populated again. Is something doing this? |
| 23:40.34 | abrotman | foo: gremlins |
| 23:40.34 | tarzeau | foo: yes |
| 23:40.40 | Guerin | foo: evidently |
| 23:40.47 | foo | abrotman: :P |
| 23:40.51 | tarzeau | foo: see /etc/default rcS:# Set EDITMOTD to "no" if you don't want /etc/motd to be editted automatically |
| 23:40.56 | abrotman | foo: did you get your NIC working ? |
| 23:40.59 | foo | tarzeau: ahhh! |
| 23:41.07 | tarzeau | foo: it's crap, it should be no by default |
| 23:41.19 | foo | tarzeau: I thought it was haunted!! |
| 23:41.20 | foo | :P |
| 23:41.36 | foo | abrotman: Hmm, the VIA one? Nah, they stuck in a USB network adapter... which makes me laugh ... but, they're going to swap hardware and the new NIC is going to have a realtek adapter, bah. |
| 23:41.53 | abrotman | hehe |
| 23:42.07 | foo | abrotman: Too last minute to change data centers now, hah. So I figure get this up and slowly diversify... hehe. Thanks for asking, btw. |
| 23:42.15 | foo | Maybe it's because my nick is foo :O |
| 23:42.34 | abrotman | fubar |
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| 23:42.46 | foo | We were separated at birth. I'd rather not talk about it, it's been hard on the family |
| 23:43.11 | stoned | huh |
| 23:43.22 | stoned | foo, are you talking about your brother bar |
| 23:43.28 | stoned | seperated at birth |
| 23:43.30 | tarzeau | stoned: http://stoned.istheshit.net/ |
| 23:43.32 | foo | stoned: *shakes head* :( |
| 23:43.42 | stoned | tarzeau: thank you kind sir :) |
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| 23:47.38 | h2k | is cairo, murrine or my X font config broken, that some apps crash with cairo_destroy: Assertion `cr->ref_count > 0' failed ? |
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| 23:48.03 | h2k | there's no problem with clearlooks engine whatsoever |
| 23:48.22 | Guerin | !confuse h2k |
| 23:48.23 | dpkg | Yes, what are my pants yesterday, h2k? pants of the people's republic of tibet with extra cream |
| 23:48.32 | nn-main | um my hard drive writes in to big chouks all at once which halts the computer of about 3 secounds is there any way to make this anoying buffer dump mass resorces takeover stop so the drive writes constantly insted of in chunks??????? |
| 23:48.48 | Guerin | nn-main: man hdparm |
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| 23:49.01 | nn-main | did still no idea |
| 23:49.03 | sussudio | Guerin: nn-main on #berly #ubuntu #gentoo-chat #debian ##c < he can't handle the hdparm. |
| 23:49.08 | tarzeau | and check /proc and your kernel documentation |
| 23:49.16 | tarzeau | better even man sysctl.conf |
| 23:49.48 | sussudio | yeah. an ubuntard is going to know about /proc |
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| 23:49.54 | sussudio | %bear Guerin |
| 23:49.54 | stoned | small trout |
| 23:50.03 | inFw | What package should I do a dpkg-reconfigure for courier ? courier-base ? |
| 23:50.06 | tarzeau | sussudio: it's a gentoo optimizer |
| 23:50.07 | cydork | mmm fish!! |
| 23:50.12 | lontra | how do i blacklist the bcm43xx module? |
| 23:50.17 | stew | lontra: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 23:50.21 | nn-main | ?? |
| 23:50.23 | lontra | stew, thanks |
| 23:50.24 | tarzeau | lontra: you could just rm the module :) |
| 23:50.39 | stoned | rm tarzeau |
| 23:50.40 | Guerin | fish v bear ... it's luckt they weren't bamboofish |
| 23:50.43 | tarzeau | lontra: that'll even work when debian breaks blacklisting |
| 23:51.03 | abrotman | inFw: depends what part you want to reconfigure :) |
| 23:51.07 | stoned | tarzeau isn't removed yet, rm isn't working! |
| 23:51.10 | Guerin | inFw: just edit the config files |
| 23:51.11 | nn-main | well anyone going to give me an answer |
| 23:51.13 | lontra | tarzeau, what just ... rmmod bcm43xx? but that'll only work till i reboot? |
| 23:51.16 | stoned | tarzeau: so how come suddenly I'm the shit? |
| 23:51.18 | tarzeau | stoned: i'm chmod 111 |
| 23:51.19 | stoned | :) |
| 23:51.20 | Guerin | i don't recall courier even having much debconf stuff |
| 23:51.40 | tarzeau | stoned: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=the+shit&defid=49241 |
| 23:51.49 | tarzeau | stoned: is the shit is great. is shit is bullshit |
| 23:51.52 | stoned | tarzeau: I know .. but how come I'm the shit? |
| 23:51.58 | stoned | I ddin't do anything great |
| 23:51.58 | tarzeau | stoned: debian is the shit. ubuntu is shit |
| 23:52.09 | stoned | tarzeau: I am well familiar with american slang |
| 23:52.26 | tarzeau | stoned: i was just randomly posting urls and bored |
| 23:52.31 | stoned | lol oh ok |
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| 23:52.57 | stoned | I thought I unknowingly did something wicked awesome and you found out about it and said stoned is the shit |
| 23:53.06 | sander_ | Why does copy/paste with gnome-terminal only work when I use the menu.. In xchat/firefox/xterm etc.. copy paste with the middle mouse button works. |
| 23:53.06 | stoned | cuz actually, I AM the shit but we'll stop here. |
| 23:53.08 | stew | stoned: please keep it on-topic |
| 23:53.19 | tarzeau | sander_: don't repeat |
| 23:53.25 | tarzeau | sander_: nobody is using gnome-terminal |
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| 23:53.37 | inFw | abrotman: I guess I'll just learn a bit more about courier and edit the conf files as Guerin said : ) |
| 23:53.40 | tarzeau | sander_: gnome-terminal is the worst shit i've ever seen in my life |
| 23:53.46 | tarzeau | sander_: Mac OS X Terminal is better |
| 23:53.52 | abrotman | inFw: that's another way :) |
| 23:53.53 | tarzeau | heck cmd.exe is bettert |
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| 23:54.01 | sander_ | tarzeau, what should I use, a terminal with several tabs? |
| 23:54.11 | tarzeau | sander_: any + gnu screen |
| 23:54.16 | Guerin | courier's config files are quite straightforward, and well-commented |
| 23:54.26 | tarzeau | http://tabs.istheshit.net/ |
| 23:54.34 | stoned | oh yeah |
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| 23:54.35 | stoned | lecture me |
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| 23:54.42 | stoned | fuck this man |
| 23:54.44 | stoned | I'm out for the night |
| 23:55.42 | abrotman | tarzeau: lots of people use it |
| 23:55.51 | abrotman | tarzeau: perhaps you should consult your beloved popcon :) |
| 23:56.01 | sander_ | WHere can I find max os x terminal? |
| 23:56.10 | tarzeau | sander_: terminal.app |
| 23:56.48 | abrotman | sander_: your cut/paste should work with gnome-terminal |
| 23:57.04 | abrotman | sander_: unless you have OSX .. you can't have the OSX terminal .. tarzeau is being an ass |
| 23:57.19 | tarzeau | abrotman: terminal.app is pretty much an osx terminal |
| 23:57.22 | sander_ | abrotman, it worked a week ago.. but suddenly it stopped working. |
| 23:57.25 | abrotman | but not the OSX terminal |
| 23:57.27 | JoshH | gnome terminal isn't as bad as it used to be |
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| 23:57.41 | abrotman | sander_: does middle click work elsewhere ? |
| 23:57.57 | sander_ | abrotman, yep. Works perfect in all other apps. |
| 23:57.58 | tarzeau | JoshH: it's faster now? |
| 23:57.59 | gordboy | osx ? what bloody nonsense is this ? |
| 23:58.01 | JoshH | it sucks for irssi and is fairly slow/heavy but isn't too bad otherwise |
| 23:58.09 | abrotman | sander_: are you running sid ? |
| 23:58.17 | JoshH | it's fast enough |
| 23:58.35 | sander_ | abrotman, No. i'm running a newly installed etch |
| 23:58.49 | JoshH | i still use aterm on slower boxes |
| 23:58.57 | shrin | I cannot execute ls as some user. The shell says "command not found". I think it's a rights issue, but I think I was able to do it before. |
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| 23:59.07 | abrotman | sander_: it works here on etch |
| 23:59.08 | Guerin | shrin: that's a path issue |
| 23:59.13 | tarzeau | JoshH: i don't want to miss the fast aa rendering and meta-n key of terminal.app anymore |
| 23:59.21 | Guerin | shrin: echo $PATH |
| 23:59.36 | sander_ | abrotman, damn. Wondring what it could be. it worked some time ago. |
| 23:59.37 | JoshH | tarzeau if i had a mac, i might be that way too |
| 23:59.48 | JoshH | but i'm waiting for leopard and newer models before i get my first apple book |
