| 00:00.03 | tarzeau | JoshH: that should be soon |
| 00:00.12 | shrin | Guerin: thanks, I know enough. |
| 00:00.31 | abrotman | sander_: you could try to remove the gnome-terminal settings |
| 00:00.32 | JoshH | fall/winter supposedly |
| 00:01.46 | tarzeau | anyone feels like playing some sauerbraten? |
| 00:01.48 | abrotman | stew: i totally should have made a todo list with the bot pages :) |
| 00:02.11 | sander_ | abrotman, next question iis then.. where the settings is located |
| 00:02.32 | abrotman | i see files in .gnome/gnome-terminal* .. though i didn't look in them to make sure that was the files you want |
| 00:02.36 | abrotman | there are also gconf settings |
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| 00:03.08 | foo | abrotman: bah, I was just working on the new RAID10 server for a mysql master... and it just went unresponsive. That makes 5 boxes that I've had problems with with etch. /me waits for the DC to look into it before drawing any more conclusions |
| 00:03.27 | abrotman | foo: i blame mysql :) |
| 00:03.28 | sander_ | abrotman, no settings in .gnome/ |
| 00:03.44 | foo | abrotman: Mysql wasn't running :P myisamchk was, though, hmmph. /me waits |
| 00:03.44 | JoshH | sander_: .gnome2 |
| 00:03.49 | enderxim | can anyone recommend a decent browser besides firefox/iceweasel? something a little lighter, that will still allow you to use javascript. flash and java and all that aren't a necessity. |
| 00:03.54 | abrotman | sander_: find ~ -name *terminal* |
| 00:03.57 | tarzeau | enderxim: links2 -g |
| 00:04.06 | abrotman | links2 does java and flash ? |
| 00:04.09 | tarzeau | enderxim: you can surf http://flash.istheshit.net/ for flash! |
| 00:04.14 | cafuego | enderxim: opera |
| 00:04.24 | tarzeau | abrotman: for java try http://java.istheshit.net/ |
| 00:04.26 | enderxim | free is a necessity |
| 00:04.29 | JoshH | enderxim: epiphany might be good for you if you use gnome |
| 00:04.31 | enderxim | tarzeau: thanks, i'll check it out |
| 00:04.31 | abrotman | i'm not going to any such stupid site |
| 00:04.35 | enderxim | nah, i use ratpoison |
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| 00:04.53 | JoshH | do you have 64mb of ram or something? |
| 00:05.06 | abrotman | enderxim: opera is free .. not Free |
| 00:05.07 | enderxim | hah no, a gig and a half. i just like it. i dunno. |
| 00:05.14 | enderxim | abrotman: yeah, i want Free. |
| 00:05.17 | Guerin | ratpoison is retarded |
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| 00:05.20 | abrotman | okay |
| 00:05.22 | JoshH | lol |
| 00:05.35 | cafuego | looks like you have some coding to do, then. |
| 00:05.36 | JoshH | if you need lighter than xfce, or maybe fluxbox, you should just spend some money to upgrade |
| 00:05.39 | Guerin | any window manager which enforces a certain size of window is fucked |
| 00:05.41 | sander_ | its in .gconf/apps/gnome-terminal |
| 00:06.10 | JoshH | of course it all depends what you use the box for too |
| 00:06.22 | Guerin | derifoush |
| 00:06.23 | enderxim | i don't need any upgrades. i have a gig and a half ram, 256mb geforce 7800, 2gigahertz processor... i like ratpoison. that's all. |
| 00:06.35 | h3sp4wn | ratpoison is fine (less easy to be detracted for me if I use it) |
| 00:06.39 | sander_ | abrotman, I moved the settings. no reaction. |
| 00:06.45 | JoshH | why don't you like firefox, other than the memory hogging? |
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| 00:06.58 | cafuego | Guerin: I'm going to assume that sounded like "derufesh" |
| 00:07.01 | shrin | !wmwar |
| 00:07.06 | enderxim | JoshH: well the memory hogging is precisely why i don't like it, actually. |
| 00:07.08 | S4nD3r | I have a problem to access my webcam as user |
| 00:07.18 | S4nD3r | does anybody have a time to help me ? |
| 00:07.33 | S4nD3r | crw-rw---- 1 root video 81, 0 2007-05-18 17:13 /dev/video0 |
| 00:07.38 | enderxim | h3sp4wn: I like it for the same reasons. i use alot of text/curses based apps, then if i want to, i can use wine and play my games and all. i don't need flashy stuff all over the place. |
| 00:07.40 | S4nD3r | uid=1000(sander) gid=1000(sander) grupos=1000(sander),4(adm),20(dialout),21(fax),24(cdrom),25(floppy),26(tape),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),111(scanner) |
| 00:07.41 | JoshH | ya it sucks for memory, but it's never been an issue for me, since i have enough memory and don't leave my browser open for months at a time |
| 00:07.52 | Guerin | S4nD3r: adduser username video |
| 00:08.05 | cafuego | Guerin: ,44(video), |
| 00:08.08 | S4nD3r | sander is the user, and its in video group |
| 00:08.13 | Guerin | yes, crossover |
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| 00:08.31 | sander_ | abrotman, thanks so far.. But im going to bed.. |
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| 00:09.05 | h2k | where could I get libcairo2 1.4.4? it seems to have been erased from history... |
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| 00:10.58 | cafuego | damn that dr who |
| 00:10.58 | h2k | 1.4.6 is all over everywhere, but I need 1.4.4- |
| 00:11.04 | S4nD3r | how to put the user sander in the video group/ |
| 00:11.05 | S4nD3r | ? |
| 00:11.07 | cydork | !sdn |
| 00:11.07 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is largely lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 00:11.11 | cydork | h2k: ^^ |
| 00:11.23 | cydork | h2k: why do you want that version anyway? |
| 00:11.30 | abrotman | sander_: ask #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
| 00:11.41 | h2k | cydork, to see if that's causing me crashes |
| 00:11.56 | h2k | cydork, thanks for the link tho |
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| 00:12.17 | cafuego | S4nD3r: the user sander *is* in the video group. |
| 00:12.31 | S4nD3r | Ok. |
| 00:12.42 | S4nD3r | But I dont know why this user cant use the webcam |
| 00:12.42 | foo | abrotman: kernel panic |
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| 00:12.59 | foo | abrotman: Is a kernel panic normally do to hardware or kernel? Mind you, this box was in production... I was using it... it was fine |
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| 00:13.13 | newinphp | hi guys I need help with some php code to create a userdatabase for mySql please help |
| 00:13.17 | cafuego | But group membership is not the problem. |
| 00:13.24 | S4nD3r | hummmm |
| 00:13.31 | abrotman | foo: can be either |
| 00:13.50 | cafuego | newinphp: #php would be the place to go. |
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| 00:15.09 | abrotman | or #mysql |
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| 00:15.29 | S4nD3r | crw-rw---- 1 root video 81, 0 2007-05-18 17:13 /dev/video0 |
| 00:15.38 | S4nD3r | Here is the problem I think |
| 00:15.39 | abrotman | stew: do you know why some of the bot factoids have created time as NULL ? |
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| 00:16.57 | foo | abrotman: ok, at least I got some type of kernel panic. I think I'd rather have that than just a random crash or something, hah. Those don't normally get stuck in the logs, right? |
| 00:17.12 | abrotman | you can have them just restart your box :) |
| 00:17.23 | nhuisman_work | abrotman: maybe they were added manually at the very beginning. |
| 00:17.27 | foo | abrotman: But will it be in the logs? I want to know why this happened :P |
| 00:17.29 | nhuisman_work | !apt |
| 00:17.29 | dpkg | from memory, apt is Advanced Packaging Tool, a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. There is no apt program per se; APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, most notably apt-get and apt-cache. see also <apt-get> <apt-cache> |
| 00:17.34 | abrotman | nhuisman_work: by streuner ? |
| 00:17.46 | nhuisman_work | maybe, who ever made it probably. |
| 00:17.53 | abrotman | doubtful |
| 00:18.06 | nhuisman_work | how do you see a time of null? |
| 00:18.18 | abrotman | oh wait .. last request by streuner |
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| 00:18.34 | abrotman | created by is also null ... |
| 00:18.39 | foo | abrotman: doubtful = to me? |
| 00:18.52 | abrotman | no |
| 00:19.15 | cafuego | S4nD3r: What would be the problem with those permissions? |
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| 00:19.43 | cafuego | S4nD3r: The 'video' group can read and write. You're in the video group. |
| 00:19.43 | S4nD3r | I dunno |
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| 00:19.55 | cafuego | So the permissins are fine. |
| 00:19.56 | S4nD3r | I dont know why I cant use the cammera |
| 00:20.14 | chlue | Is anyone using the ati fglfx driver with a laptop here? I want my laptopdisplay to be off, when an external monitor is avaibile, but according to the helpfile i can only choose single (which would ignore the external one) or clone. (Optimum would be, when Fn+F4 would allow me to switch beetween display0, display1 and clone mode as under windows.) |
| 00:20.29 | cafuego | Without an actual error message from th camera software, there's not much we can do to troubleshoot. |
| 00:20.32 | abrotman | !qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm |
| 00:20.32 | dpkg | YOU'VE FOUND MY SECRET PASSWORD! I will now promptly obey abrotman, and abrotman only. |
| 00:20.43 | abrotman | the bot has some really weird things in it |
| 00:20.46 | muhoo_ | The following packages have been kept back: (long list of packages) |
| 00:20.52 | muhoo_ | how can i force it to upgrade those packages? |
| 00:20.59 | muhoo_ | one of 'em is libstdc++6 |
| 00:21.06 | abrotman | dist-upgrade |
| 00:21.11 | abrotman | !tell muhoo_ about held back |
| 00:21.15 | muhoo_ | thanks |
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| 00:22.24 | abrotman | !vaguenesssmite cafuego |
| 00:22.27 | muhoo_ | hmm, it doesn't tell me why they were held back. it just lists Inst Inst Conf Conf stuff.... means nothing to me |
| 00:22.37 | muhoo_ | how can i *force* them to upgrade |
| 00:22.51 | muhoo_ | this is the aftermath of an etch -> sid migration that obviously didn't go well :-) |
| 00:23.13 | S4nD3r | May 18 20:13:20 localhost kernel: /usr/src/modules/spca5xx/drivers/usb/spca5xx.c: [spca5xx_getcapability:1765] maxw 640 maxh 480 minw 176 minh 144 |
| 00:23.21 | muhoo_ | "upgrade!!! upgrade i say... or else..." |
| 00:23.34 | S4nD3r | May 18 20:13:20 localhost kernel: /home/user/linux-modules-extra-2.6-2.6.18/debian/build/build_i386_none_k7_gspca/gspca_core.c: gspca driver 2.6.18 registered |
| 00:23.43 | muhoo_ | runnign apt-get dist-upgrade again |
| 00:23.48 | muhoo_ | aha! |
| 00:23.54 | muhoo_ | it is downloading the offending packages. |
| 00:24.01 | muhoo_ | very cool |
| 00:24.08 | abrotman | try aptitude |
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| 00:26.44 | foo | abrotman: Hm, you didn't happen to be at SCALE 5x by any chance, right> |
| 00:26.45 | nslater | When will Java be in main? |
| 00:26.57 | abrotman | foo: that'd be a conference right ? |
| 00:27.01 | abrotman | nslater: when it's GPLed |
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| 00:27.19 | nslater | abrotman, what a silly thing to say. |
| 00:27.27 | abrotman | nslater: uhm .. no it's not |
| 00:27.27 | foo | abrotman: Yup, dondelelcar was at it. |
| 00:27.37 | abrotman | foo: eh .. i'm not allowed out of my cage |
| 00:27.44 | nslater | abrotman, Java was made free just recently - and it doesn't need to be GPL to be DFSG compatible. |
| 00:27.46 | foo | abrotman: ^o^ :D |
| 00:28.10 | abrotman | nslater: it's not fully GPLed yet .. and not fully Free or DFSG free |
| 00:28.25 | nslater | abrotman, how can you be not "full" GPLed? |
| 00:28.29 | nslater | abrotman, can you ellaborate? |
| 00:28.33 | abrotman | nslater: ask Sun? :) |
| 00:28.39 | nslater | You cannot be 50% GPL. |
| 00:28.42 | nslater | It's all or nothing. |
| 00:28.46 | abrotman | !java |
| 00:28.46 | dpkg | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in etch/sid in non-free. Ask me about <install java>. ask me about <non-free> |
| 00:28.56 | abrotman | ask sun how they partially GPLed it |
| 00:29.51 | nslater | I thought something had happened this week... |
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| 00:30.13 | abrotman | yeah .. paris hilton stopped trying to appeal her sentence |
| 00:30.39 | zinx | who's that? |
| 00:31.14 | zinx | sounds like a cheap hotel |
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| 00:32.46 | cafuego | a cheap brothel? |
| 00:33.42 | tarzeau | how is that possible? http://ssh.istheshit.net/ |
| 00:34.13 | abrotman | tarzeau: do you get paid to surf that site ? |
| 00:34.25 | tarzeau | abrotman: no but it's really cool |
| 00:34.41 | abrotman | s/cool/lame/ ? |
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| 00:36.01 | foo | Kernel panics normally don't get logged, right? |
| 00:36.16 | tarzeau | foo: no |
| 00:36.18 | cafuego | foo: depends on how badly it panics |
| 00:36.22 | foo | hmm, true |
| 00:36.22 | foo | o |
| 00:36.23 | foo | k |
| 00:36.56 | cafuego | pain! |
| 00:37.11 | foo | cafuego: :D |
| 00:37.24 | cafuego | stupid xen kernel won't mount root off lvm |
| 00:37.26 | Rprp | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:37.44 | cafuego | Rprp: everything ok? |
| 00:37.55 | Rprp | cafuego: yes, why :p? |
| 00:37.56 | cafuego | of ben je stoned |
| 00:38.03 | Rprp | lol |
| 00:38.06 | Rprp | nee :p |
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| 00:43.02 | abrotman | i hope he didn't come up with that himself |
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| 00:49.45 | astronaute | hello |
| 00:50.01 | astronaute | how to see dependant packages while installing .deb please |
| 00:50.07 | astronaute | im using dpkg -i |
| 00:50.14 | abrotman | dpkg -I |
| 00:50.48 | astronaute | thank you |
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| 00:55.36 | garotosopa | Hi there. I'm trying to enable the floppy driver, but there is no /dev/fd0. so I tried /dev/.static/dev/fd0 and it says that is not a valid block device. I tried modprobe floppy and it says Error inserting floppy no such device. How could I enable it? (grub is not using nofloppy) |
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| 00:57.19 | bzed | garotosopa: are you running etch? |
| 00:57.49 | garotosopa | bzed, yes |
| 00:58.00 | bzed | it should recognized floppy drive controllers just fine |
| 00:58.02 | abrotman | do you have a floppy drive? |
| 00:58.09 | bzed | just wanted to ask that :D |
| 00:58.17 | bzed | !abrotman++ |
| 00:59.05 | inFw | Er.. Is there some option I need to pass when uninstalling something for the configuration files to be removed? |
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| 00:59.22 | bzed | inFw: you're have to purge it |
| 00:59.23 | inFw | Or any way to remove them in an automated way? |
| 00:59.26 | garotosopa | abrotman, nah! it's for a friend who wants to download a sata driver for the windows xp installation :P |
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| 00:59.37 | inFw | ah that's it thanks bzed I forgot all about that option |
| 00:59.40 | bzed | aptitude purge packagename works afaik inFw , or dpkg -P |
| 01:00.40 | bzed | garotosopa: so you don;t have a floppy drive? |
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| 01:01.13 | garotosopa | bzed, I don't have a floppy driver - my grind brought it here and I'm trying to configure it for the first time |
| 01:01.36 | garotosopa | unh? not *grind* but Friend -- why did I type that? oO |
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| 01:04.35 | bzed | garotosopa: which kind of floppy? usb? |
| 01:04.44 | garotosopa | bzed, 1.44 |
| 01:04.57 | garotosopa | bzed, conventional |
| 01:05.01 | bzed | hmm |
| 01:05.11 | bzed | that works fine since I can think |
| 01:05.19 | bzed | really no clue wht the probem is there |
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| 01:05.56 | bzed | ///// |
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| 01:11.12 | amerej | here is a question, why on xfce task on aptitude the x-window-system is not included ? :/ |
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| 01:16.45 | RobHu | Could someone please help me? I need to be able to send Ctrl-H through a telnet session in xterm (running on Ion 3 under GDM), but I think it's being intercepted :( How can I send Ctrl-H through the telnet session? |
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| 01:18.16 | sputnick | is there some people how run mediawiki installed by apt-get in da place ? |
| 01:18.26 | SlackRat | woot |
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| 01:19.09 | sputnick | you SlackRat ? |
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| 01:19.24 | SlackRat | whats up? |
| 01:20.03 | sputnick | I have some issues to have highlight on whith geshi on my mediawiki |
| 01:20.16 | SlackRat | just put etch on the desktop machine, waaay faster than when i ran sarge on this machine |
| 01:20.25 | sputnick | sorry it's awfull |
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| 01:20.35 | sputnick | my english sucks |
| 01:20.36 | SlackRat | dont even know what geshi is........... |
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| 01:21.20 | sputnick | http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi |
| 01:22.33 | SlackRat | hmn, the page wont even open on konq...... |
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| 01:23.41 | stew | abrotman: no idea |
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| 01:26.55 | RobHu | No one got any idea how to send Ctrl-H then? |
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| 01:34.25 | squisher | Recently my two usb mice get assigned different /dev/input ids... sometimes they're event1 and event2, while others they are event2 and event3... does anyone know how I can fix them? |
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| 01:39.51 | seth1248 | Why can't I create an ntfs partition for my hard drive connected to usb? |
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| 01:40.27 | Josua | Hi, I have a little problem, I have a PC connect to wifi router and internet works, but I want to use another laptop to connect to that PC to get network too, so I have, ath1 internet, eth0 same pc connect to switch, a laptop connect to the same switch, what's the way to get internet using a laptop? |
| 01:42.34 | SlackRat | start by slowing down and making the question digestible..... :-P |
| 01:43.02 | Guerin | Josua: install ipmasq |
| 01:43.03 | donaldo | seth1248: that's not a question, that's an assertion: that you can't. if you got an error give us the error. |
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| 01:43.34 | Guerin | SlackRat: because you can't create a p[artition of a filesystem, |
| 01:43.38 | Guerin | beh |
| 01:43.43 | Guerin | seth1248: because you can't create a p[artition of a filesystem |
| 01:44.04 | Guerin | seth1248: first create the partition - then format it with a filesystem. And not NTFS. |
| 01:44.07 | donaldo | Guerin: once more, with less brackets |
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| 01:44.41 | donaldo | lol |
| 01:44.53 | SlackRat | heh |
| 01:45.10 | Josua | Guerin: Thank, I want to see :) |
| 01:46.09 | seth1248 | O.K. I have a new laptop hard drive. I will be using for dual boot. I have the hard drive connected via a usb adapter to my desktop. I want to use gparted to create the firs partition as ntfs, but ntfs is greyed-out. |
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| 01:47.31 | brian_ | anyone know of any programs that can stream music to an xbox360? |
| 01:47.34 | Guerin | seth1248: a *partition* is filesystem-independent. And you probably can't create ntfs on linux. Use vfat, and win95-lba partition type. |
| 01:47.48 | Guerin | brian_: apache |
| 01:48.50 | brian_ | Guerin: using xbox 360s built in dashboard? |
| 01:48.59 | jetscreamer | you can make ntfs |
| 01:49.01 | SlackRat | whoa, dependency hell for fortune-mod?? ack...... |
| 01:49.02 | Guerin | brian_: the xbox can do http, no? |
| 01:49.14 | squisher | anyone know how I can assign static entries /dev/input/eventX for my two mice? |
| 01:49.20 | brian_ | Guerin: dont think so without a modchip |
| 01:49.30 | Guerin | brian_: wtf. |
| 01:51.07 | jetscreamer | ntfsprogs , the partition type is 7 i think but forget |
| 01:51.07 | Guerin | *complete* waste of fucking money |
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| 01:51.07 | squisher | brian_: check xbox-scene, they should have some info on there |
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| 01:51.08 | musya | anybody here think think that debian is a more stable development os than ubuntu? |
| 01:51.08 | jetscreamer | no |
| 01:51.08 | jetscreamer | never |
| 01:51.09 | |HellTiger| | ubuntu based on debian |
| 01:51.09 | jetscreamer | we all think ubuntu is better, and run ubuntu but refuse to admit it |
| 01:51.09 | jetscreamer | that's why we're in #debian |
| 01:51.09 | SlackRat | we re scared of ubuntu |
| 01:51.09 | |HellTiger| | its just an userfriendly |
| 01:51.09 | |HellTiger| | modified debian :> |
| 01:51.09 | SlackRat | its so hackerly and bleeding edge |
| 01:51.12 | musya | why is ubuntu better for develoment |
| 01:51.14 | musya | ? |
| 01:51.23 | SlackRat | lol, imo, it isnt |
| 01:51.25 | musya | than debian? isnt debian a more mature os |
| 01:51.44 | musya | SlackRat: so why did you say it is? |
| 01:51.46 | jetscreamer | feisty fawn? oh yeah rockin |
| 01:52.01 | SlackRat | joking? i didnt say it was, anyways....... |
| 01:52.01 | musya | im just trying to figure out what os to use for development |
| 01:52.08 | jetscreamer | i saw ubuntu books in borders |
| 01:52.10 | SlackRat | debian ftw |
| 01:52.14 | |HellTiger| | for wich development ? |
| 01:52.20 | jetscreamer | even an ubuntu for dummies |
| 01:52.23 | musya | c/c++ software |
| 01:52.26 | musya | python |
| 01:52.32 | SlackRat | jetscreamer, thats redundant |
| 01:52.37 | musya | SlackRat: ftw? whats that? |
| 01:52.43 | jetscreamer | !ftw |
| 01:52.43 | SlackRat | for the win |
| 01:52.45 | |HellTiger| | musya then take debian =) not ubuntu |
| 01:53.08 | musya | why you say that? |
| 01:53.25 | SlackRat | ubuntu does use alot of python and focuses on it in their developement.....but there mostly debian devs originally |
| 01:53.27 | |HellTiger| | ubunutu is for newbies |
| 01:53.30 | musya | what about freebsd? i heard its good? |
| 01:53.36 | |HellTiger| | its like suse |
| 01:53.41 | SlackRat | ubuntu doesnt come with a compiler installed |
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| 01:53.53 | SlackRat | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:53.53 | musya | for c++? |
| 01:53.57 | musya | well thats easy to install |
| 01:53.58 | Caelum | anyone using vmware workstation 6 and unstable? I recently upgraded and now I get an undefined symbol :( |
| 01:53.59 | SlackRat | yup |
| 01:54.03 | |HellTiger| | debian etch netinstall desktop. all you need |
| 01:54.21 | musya | so you think debian is a more stable release for development? |
| 01:54.22 | SlackRat | (kinda like this friggen broken dep i got on fortune, atm....hmn) |
| 01:54.27 | SlackRat | of course |
| 01:54.31 | DavidProck1982 | is there a way to mount a .bin file? (a cd image) |
| 01:54.32 | SlackRat | etch=stable |
| 01:54.41 | musya | ok |
| 01:54.56 | musya | then which disc do i need for the minimal install? |
| 01:55.00 | SlackRat | ubuntu rips off snapshots of unstable for their release cycle |
| 01:55.04 | musya | theres like 20 in the list? |
| 01:55.12 | musya | disc1, 2 etc... |
| 01:55.15 | SlackRat | netinstall, if you wanna install from the net |
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| 01:55.21 | SlackRat | 130 or so mb?? |
| 01:55.31 | musya | im running ubuntu now |
| 01:55.37 | SlackRat | the first cd will get you up and running |
| 01:55.43 | Guerin | musya: you have my condolences |
| 01:55.44 | SlackRat | my condolences |
| 01:55.48 | Guerin | SlackRat: hey!@ |
| 01:55.50 | musya | ok ill get it then |
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| 01:56.00 | DavidProck1982 | any one know |
| 01:56.01 | musya | Guerin: why you say that? |
| 01:56.02 | sn0 | Caelum ive been using virtual box (etch package from their site) with more success than latest vmware |
| 01:56.07 | SlackRat | heh.....yeah, netinstall is a small download, or get cd one |
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| 01:56.28 | musya | debian supports gnome and kde correct? |
| 01:56.32 | |HellTiger| | yes |
| 01:56.42 | musya | k,thanks |
| 01:56.46 | Caelum | sn0: interesting |
| 01:56.56 | musya | can i upgrade from sarge to etch? |
| 01:57.01 | |HellTiger| | yes... |
| 01:57.06 | musya | i got a minimal disk for sarge |
| 01:57.13 | musya | is there special command? |
| 01:57.15 | SlackRat | yeah, the kde cd one is at the bottom of the list of iso s the standard cd 1 is gnome |
| 01:57.18 | musya | or just apt-get update? |
| 01:57.22 | |HellTiger| | musya reed howto for it |
| 01:57.29 | musya | ok, thanks |
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| 01:57.34 | |HellTiger| | its not so easy |
| 01:57.36 | SlackRat | better off now getting etch |
| 01:57.42 | musya | ill be back! :D |
| 01:57.48 | SlackRat | sarge was fifty years ago :-P |
| 01:57.51 | musya | why you say that? |
| 01:57.52 | musya | ok |
| 01:57.53 | SlackRat | or it just felt like it |
| 01:57.55 | |HellTiger| | how long etch allready stable ? |
| 01:58.04 | SlackRat | month or so...... |
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| 01:59.09 | SlackRat | time for the smoke test of my nvidia driver........... |
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| 01:59.27 | ariks | how small is the minimum debian install these days? |
| 01:59.47 | musya | SlackRat: you make your own driver? |
| 02:00.20 | SlackRat | as opposed to downloading the nvidia script , yeah |
| 02:00.28 | SlackRat | used the debian how to |
| 02:01.14 | musya | cool |
| 02:01.29 | musya | so why did you guys say ubuntu is better but we just dont admit it? |
| 02:01.32 | musya | was it a joke? |
| 02:01.34 | SlackRat | YES! 3 D............... |
| 02:01.40 | SlackRat | joking |
| 02:01.55 | SlackRat | ubuntu is debian with training wheels |
| 02:01.56 | ariks | ubuntu is better for certain definitions of better |
| 02:02.10 | ariks | but then so is windows |
| 02:02.17 | musya | debian doesnt change the libraries of c or c++ do they? like ubuntu |
| 02:02.20 | SlackRat | like grandma cant afford vista and still wants to surf her porn sites |
| 02:02.29 | sn0 | SlackRat have you heard of the nouveau project? they seek nvidia users to send in 'dumps' to aid developement |
| 02:02.38 | musya | SlackRat: ubuntu is pretty good i got to admit |
| 02:02.50 | SlackRat | dumps of??? |
| 02:02.52 | SlackRat | lmao |
| 02:03.09 | ariks | core dumps i would presume |
| 02:03.13 | Coweater | musya: libraries get updated, it's fun thing in testing and unstable |
| 02:03.15 | SlackRat | ok, if its good you can compile a program from source with it? |
| 02:03.40 | SlackRat | you want something that kicks ubuntus ass and is bleeding edge, go for sidux |
| 02:03.56 | SlackRat | debian sid base with scripts, one cd, real fast |
| 02:04.13 | SlackRat | too much bloat on that single ubuntu cd |
| 02:04.21 | SlackRat | and the community is the blind leading the blind |
| 02:04.48 | SlackRat | try to dig into the OS and ubuntu crumbles |
| 02:05.17 | SlackRat | even su isnt enabled.........no root |
| 02:05.21 | Coweater | i think you're digging in the wrong places |
| 02:05.38 | musya | whats sidux? |
| 02:05.56 | SlackRat | im tried to use it like any other OS......its newbified to stop most people from doing that |
| 02:05.57 | musya | su isnt enabled for what distro? |
| 02:06.02 | SlackRat | ubuntu |
| 02:06.17 | SlackRat | and when you enable it, you usually run into trouble |
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| 02:06.49 | ariks | SlackRat: define trouble |
| 02:06.57 | SlackRat | google sidux, live cd / install........based on debian unstable.......but with a ten minute install from the live cd |
| 02:06.58 | ariks | actually don't. we're off topic |
| 02:07.05 | SlackRat | true |
| 02:07.18 | SlackRat | too long a story anyways..... |
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| 02:07.34 | musya | i never had trouble with it |
| 02:07.43 | sn0 | SlackRat http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/ |
| 02:08.34 | SlackRat | if it works for you musya, stick with it.........i ran it for a while, gave it a fair shake.....grew very tired of it |
| 02:08.40 | SlackRat | use what works |
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| 02:09.03 | SlackRat | wow, what s this nouveau?.....im reading it now |
| 02:09.05 | ariks | with complete respect to the nouveau developers, i don't think their project will see meaningful results any time soon |
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| 02:09.20 | sn0 | ariks indeed, i thought the same about wine for a long time |
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| 02:09.54 | sn0 | with amd apparently opening their drivers, maybe someday soon there will be less headaches : ) |
| 02:10.21 | ariks | yeah, rumor has it. |
| 02:10.36 | SlackRat | correct me if im wrong but the debian attitude is keep it free and the proprietary companies will eventually free up the code........like Qt finally did, way back , for kde |
| 02:10.39 | zinx | i've never heard anything about AMD opening drivers |
| 02:10.47 | SlackRat | intel is...... |
| 02:10.54 | sn0 | intel have done |
| 02:10.54 | zinx | i think that's some random unfounded rumor someone made up :/ |
| 02:11.00 | SlackRat | nvidia is rumored to be thinking about it |
| 02:11.09 | sn0 | but they wont commit and make a decent 3d chipset that willl handle games |
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| 02:11.20 | SlackRat | it gives us something to live for....... :-P |
| 02:11.25 | ariks | zinx: fairly recent official news. |
| 02:11.45 | musya | SlackRat: thats sad |
| 02:11.58 | slopez_ | Hi, I've install a wintv card on my computer. Video is fine but sound does not work at all, does any body knows about similar problem and how to solve it ? |
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| 02:13.21 | ariks | zinx: bah figures the first hit would be slashdot.. http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/05/13/1659245&from=rss |
| 02:13.36 | ariks | now i'm a bit skeptical too. enterprise blogs? |
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| 02:15.06 | zinx | i'll believe it when i see it actually happen :) |
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| 02:15.29 | sn0 | indeed |
| 02:15.37 | sn0 | until the driver is loaded and it shows 3d |
| 02:16.33 | sn0 | slopez_ with so little information provided maybe try google your tv card model |
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| 02:17.52 | slopez_ | sn0: it seems to be an old bug, and all that i've found are fixes for 2.6.9 kernels ... |
| 02:18.02 | SlackRat | musya, whats sad |
| 02:18.30 | sn0 | in other news http://jeremy.linuxquestions.org/2007/05/18/dell-announces-the-models-for-ubuntu/ ;o |
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| 02:19.15 | ariks | i'd say that's good news for debian |
| 02:19.25 | sn0 | good news for all |
| 02:20.41 | sn0 | ati graphics :/ |
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| 02:20.58 | ariks | are any of those models laptops? |
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| 02:22.45 | DavidProck1982 | any one know how to use a .bin file, it is a cd image? |
| 02:23.04 | sn0 | ariks yea the E1505 |
| 02:23.06 | ariks | DavidProck1982: i usually convert it to an iso.. can't remember what i used |
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| 02:23.40 | DavidProck1982 | can a .bin be mounted or extracted? |
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| 02:23.58 | DavidProck1982 | ariks? |
| 02:24.28 | sn0 | DavidProck1982 im not sure if you can mount .bin but i know you can convert .bin to .iso, iso can be mounted as an image |
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| 02:24.39 | sn0 | using bchunk |
| 02:25.29 | ariks | possibly.. years ago when i was using bins, converting to iso was always my solution. the situation may have changed since then |
| 02:25.30 | sdf | hi i wan to use debian and when enter the site to download the cd i find about 24 cd for debian??? |
| 02:25.30 | SlackRat | tux racer is officially dead? sniff.... |
| 02:25.36 | sdf | want* |
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| 02:25.51 | sn0 | sdf the first cd is fine for a desktop system |
| 02:25.54 | SlackRat | you can dowload a netinstall or just the first for a simple desktop which you can add to |
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| 02:26.07 | sn0 | if you are on low bandwidth then the dvd can be useful for installing new packages |
| 02:26.57 | SlackRat | ive gotten by with two to four cds for long periods without internet access |
| 02:27.07 | SlackRat | or, the dvd |
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| 02:27.21 | ariks | with internet access you can install from a floppy or two :) |
| 02:27.24 | sdf | sn0 http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/bt-cd/ |
| 02:27.50 | sn0 | debian-40r0-i386-CD-1.iso.torrent |
| 02:27.51 | sdf | sn0 i downloaded six cd |
| 02:27.53 | duri | is there a way to restart the install process clean, while being in the installation menu, without rebooting ? |
| 02:28.05 | sn0 | if you prefer xfce or kde to gnome, then chose xfce or kde |
| 02:28.28 | SlackRat | or CD 1 KDE iso if you want a kde desktop |
| 02:28.37 | SlackRat | wow, deja vu |
| 02:28.43 | sn0 | :] |
| 02:28.46 | SlackRat | heh |
| 02:28.54 | sdf | sn0 please explain there are 24 cd what are these?? |
| 02:29.01 | ariks | duri: any reason not to reboot if your starting over clean? your boot times can't be that long |
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| 02:29.35 | SlackRat | twenty thousand pakgs and complete source code is all downloadable, for more than a dozen archs......... |
| 02:29.51 | SlackRat | or is it 11, i forget |
| 02:29.57 | SlackRat | the meds are kicking in |
| 02:30.15 | sn0 | sdf http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#which-cd |
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| 02:30.51 | sdf | slackrat i downloaded cd1 , cd 2............cd6 |
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| 02:32.05 | SlackRat | yeah, when i was trying sarge without internet, i prolly had six or seven...........but the three got my pretty loaded up on what i needed |
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| 02:32.17 | gubble | what boot params have to passed to use usplash? |
| 02:32.20 | SlackRat | next stop, dvd burner |
| 02:33.05 | ariks | sdf: cd1 is al you need if you've downloaded the right one for your architechure |
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| 02:33.28 | sdf | thanx all |
| 02:33.33 | sdf | i understood |
| 02:33.37 | sdf | hehe |
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| 02:37.35 | sn0 | nn |
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| 02:38.06 | duri | ariks: I am logged on the server in question via a serial console. I am remote (US), server is in Europe |
| 02:38.37 | mmlj4 | wow, a 5000-mile serial cable, I want one of those |
| 02:38.52 | asg | yea, no shit |
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| 02:39.44 | duri | is there a way for me to quit the install menu and restart the install program or to reset the state of the install program ? |
| 02:41.37 | SlackRat | wish i could recall one, i generally reboot and start again, when i fsck something on an install |
| 02:45.50 | mmlj4 | duri: not sure what it's called, but yes, probably... flip over to another virtual console, ps aux will tell you what it is, to restart if after you kill it |
| 02:46.07 | mmlj4 | used to do that with suse all the time |
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| 02:46.24 | SlackRat | arg....must...........need....sleep........ |
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| 02:46.31 | SlackRat | gnite folks |
| 02:46.50 | cafuego | duri: switch to alt-F2; kill the installer |
| 02:47.21 | duri | ok |
| 02:49.12 | duri | difficult to switch to alt-f2 ... I am on a serial line ... :-) |
| 02:49.44 | cafuego | The just pick 'Cancel' and at screen and choose 'Restart the installer' or 'Quit' |
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| 02:59.53 | tvynr | Anyone have any idea how I can create a bash script that will echo box characters to the terminal? I'm trying to fake a BIOS screenshot and I can handle coloration, but I need box characters for part of it and I can't seem to get them. |
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| 03:00.38 | hunterr | having problem with squirrelmail and uw-map. anyone using this combo here? |
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| 03:02.12 | Ronin | hunterr: perhaps you should ask your real question? |
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| 03:03.07 | hunterr | Ronin: sure. cannot login. squirrel default to plain text but imap is rejecting that. |
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| 03:05.21 | Ronin | and the log files show what hunterr ? |
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| 03:05.51 | yigal | lets the get apt party started |
| 03:06.07 | govtrust | How do you set up the password for sudo |
| 03:06.21 | yigal | sudo uses the users password |
| 03:06.21 | hunterr | Ronin: which log files to look at, specifically? |
| 03:06.29 | yigal | govtrust: or do you mean using visudo |
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| 03:06.45 | govtrust | su works for me but sudo does not |
| 03:06.59 | krazykit | govtrust, then you haven't set up your sudoers file correnctly |
| 03:07.07 | krazykit | correctly, rather. |
| 03:10.12 | govtrust | so I neet to set the user privilage specification the same as root? |
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| 03:10.57 | govtrust | right now its root all=(all) all |
| 03:11.58 | unix_infidel | tarzeau: ?? |
| 03:12.00 | unix_infidel | wtf was taht for? |
| 03:12.23 | unix_infidel | did anyone else get a ctcp version from tarzeau |
| 03:12.39 | Ronin | nope |
| 03:12.55 | govtrust | thanks krazykit got it |
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| 03:16.21 | amphi | unix_infidel: no |
| 03:16.46 | unix_infidel | i think my nick prompts some degree of mis directed curiousity. |
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| 03:17.48 | hardbop200 | all - I'm in desperate need of help ;) I need to be able to compile the latest jack from source, but tell apt-get to quit looking for jack as a dependancy (I've already compiled it!!!). I've heard this is called "putting a package on hold". is this true, and how do I do that? |
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| 03:18.20 | Chass | no |
| 03:18.35 | Chass | putting a package on hold is telling it to not upgrade or do anything unless you explicitly say so |
| 03:19.36 | Chass | i did something similar years ago but i forget how |
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| 03:19.44 | donaldo | hardbop200: i know from aptitude you can mark a package as manually installed using the 'm' key, but i don't know if that just differentiates it from automatically installed (can be removed automatically when you no longer need it) or if it's what you need |
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| 03:20.40 | hardbop200 | Chass: I have no idea what just happened there, but I lost my connection. |
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| 03:40.08 | cafuego | df doesn't list swap |
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| 03:41.39 | donaldo | i wonder what was going through thd's mind |
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| 03:42.16 | donaldo | nzk: BitchX is an alternative to irssi, but doesn't come as highly recommended by a large margin |
| 03:42.27 | thd | what is the difference between tmpfs and swap? |
| 03:44.23 | donaldo | thd: swap space is virtual memory (RAM automatically swapped to disk when there is insufficient RAM) but tmpfs is for temporary files (which may be used for a very similar purpose by individual applications, but it is not by any measn the same thing) |
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| 03:44.29 | donaldo | thd: also, apparently, and rather conversely, tmpfs does not store to the disk at all |
| 03:44.54 | cafuego | donaldo: actualyl, i think tmpfs swaps its contents to disk when not un use for a while |
| 03:45.00 | donaldo | thd: (with the obvious exception of when it is paged into your swap partition) |
| 03:45.11 | cafuego | donaldo: *but* to swap space, not to / :-) |
| 03:45.22 | donaldo | cafuego: yeah i'd think in ideal situations it would try to be intelligent about it, i just googled it though because i was curious |
| 03:46.20 | thd | donaldo: I notice that if I increase the size of swap significantly then tmpfs increases slightly |
| 03:47.02 | donaldo | cafuego: hey here's a question, if you memory map a file stored in a tmpfs, can you use that to kinda page out individual parts of your program? in case some part(s) of it uses a lot of memory but isn't accessed very often? |
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| 03:48.11 | thd | cafuego: what does show the size of swap in use at a particular time? |
| 03:49.33 | dondelelcaro | thd: free, cat /proc/swaps; use munin, etc. |
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| 03:52.04 | Rusty1 | thd swapon -s will as well |
| 03:52.23 | ivl | is it possible to turn on "DontZap" option in X from command line? It's not conveniet to edit xorg.conf each time, and besides one may not always have root permissions |
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| 03:55.43 | nzk | Webalizer is crap, are there any better analyzers for my server? |
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| 04:00.16 | danf_1979 | Hi, I'm looking for a good syslog analizer, logs are getting ugly with logcheck right now. Any one you would recommend? |
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| 04:00.39 | danf_1979 | Reports in html, or text, It doesn't really matter that much |
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| 04:03.33 | thelostbutler | hello folks, how does one examine the contents of a ramdisk file and change it ? |
| 04:05.22 | donaldo | thelostbutler: you mean like, a ramfs ramdisk? |
| 04:05.23 | thelostbutler | yes |
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| 04:08.22 | donaldo | thelostbutler: well where did you mount it? |
| 04:08.49 | donaldo | thelostbutler: or did you really mean ramdisk? |
| 04:09.36 | donaldo | thelostbutler: lastly, are you possibly talking about some kind of ATA/SATA/other-harddrive-interface device that is attached to a bunch of RAM rather than any real long-term storage? |
| 04:09.58 | thelostbutler | i have an iso which i have mounted via loop back device |
| 04:10.36 | donaldo | thelostbutler: ok that isn't a ramdisk at all |
| 04:10.48 | thelostbutler | and that iso has a kernel file and a ramdisk file |
| 04:11.19 | donaldo | thelostbutler: sorry, i can't help you, i don't know either of those things are |
| 04:11.31 | thelostbutler | :) thanks for trying though |
| 04:12.20 | shingouz | thelostbutler: you cannot really modify the iso, you need to mount it as loop, do the mods on it and make a new iso of it |
| 04:14.20 | Wyzard | There's a package called "isomaster" that supposedly can modify isos |
| 04:14.37 | Wyzard | but I've only used it for browsing their contents so I can't say how well it works |
| 04:14.44 | Wyzard | It's a nice GUI app though |
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| 04:15.05 | Wyzard | http://littlesvr.ca/isomaster/ |
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| 04:25.19 | donaldo | shingouz: ought'n one be able to modify files in an ISO FS so long as you don't add or remove files, or change file sizes? |
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| 04:26.24 | vorpal | whoever decided that gnome should by default install xscreensaver needs to be fucking shot |
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| 04:26.37 | donaldo | vorpal: what's wrong with xscreensaver? |
| 04:26.41 | abrotman | vorpal: you joined just to tell us that ? |
| 04:26.55 | eeyore- | i think i'm gonna kick the gnome-terminal habit |
| 04:27.22 | abrotman | time for rxvt ? |
| 04:27.32 | vorpal | don't get me wrong. i love xscreensaver, but now i have a ton of users with vncserver sessions that are running xscreensaver |
| 04:27.39 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 04:27.43 | Wyzard | donaldo: If you feel like parsing the iso9660 data structures to determine the byte offset within the filesystem where your file is located, sure |
| 04:27.48 | eeyore- | not very happy that fontconfig doesn't like bitmapped font, gnome-terminal fucks up "fixed" substitution, i like "OptiBP" better, etc. |
| 04:27.55 | eeyore- | abrotman: mrxvt |
| 04:27.59 | donaldo | if i had to guess who decided (aterm ftw) to install xscreensaver with gnome by default, i'd guess it was the gnome folks |
| 04:28.01 | eeyore- | abrotman: tabbed rxvt ;-) |
| 04:28.05 | abrotman | ew |
| 04:28.11 | shingouz | donaldo: i am not going to try that because i am lazy |
| 04:28.13 | shingouz | ;) |
| 04:28.23 | abrotman | donaldo: more like the gnome packagers |
| 04:28.49 | Wyzard | vorpal: VNC isn't really the typical usage for a GNOME desktop... I don't think it's unreasonable for a default install to cater to the local desktop user rather than a VNC user |
| 04:29.05 | donaldo | Wyzard, shingouz: no but i mean... ought'n the iso fs module be able to let you modify files in place that way? (i do understand Wyzard correctly that you're suggesting editing the iso fs manually, right?) |
| 04:29.05 | eeyore- | abrotman: check out the "proggyfonts.com" website --- they have some nice bitmapped (monospace) fonts |
| 04:29.13 | abrotman | no way .. fonts suck! |
| 04:29.20 | eeyore- | abrotman: i'm liking the OptiBP version (BP = bold punctuations) |
| 04:29.58 | abrotman | if my font were wingdings .. i'd adapt |
| 04:30.12 | Wyzard | donaldo: yeah, in principle the driver could support it, but that sort of limited overwrite is a fairly uncommon case so I guess they didn't bother |
| 04:30.23 | donaldo | Wyzard: yeah i suppose you're right |
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| 04:31.14 | donaldo | i don't understand people who use vnc on nix systems -- what's the point? what can't you do from the commandline that you have to do remotely anyhow? |
| 04:31.43 | Wyzard | donaldo: I use it sometimes for interacting with stuff on my "local" desktop when I'm away from home |
| 04:32.00 | Wyzard | like if I left a GUI app running and want to check on it |
| 04:32.06 | donaldo | Wyzard: well yeah but i mean... ahh ok |
| 04:32.32 | vorpal | Wyzard, actually, i only wanted to install something a bit better than twm for the vnc users. my mistake in choosing gnome. any suggestions for something lightweight? |
| 04:32.48 | Wyzard | vorpal: XFCE perhaps |
| 04:32.57 | donaldo | vorpal: fluxbox = best |
| 04:32.58 | Wyzard | vorpal: It's GTK-based but designed to be light |
| 04:33.12 | Wyzard | vorpal: (It's a minimal desktop environment, not just a window manager) |
| 04:33.19 | donaldo | vorpal: a good point might be that if your window manager doesn't support gtk theming your gtk apps will be ugly |
| 04:33.38 | donaldo | vorpal: it's taken me like 3 months to get used to switching from gnome |
| 04:33.57 | vorpal | Wyzard, cool. all these folks need to do is run an editor, like emacs or gvim, a terminal, and matlab |
| 04:34.09 | shogunx | i must vote for enlightenment |
| 04:34.21 | vorpal | a window gadget, and a maybe a workspace gadget would be nice |
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| 04:34.37 | Wyzard | vorpal: I'm pretty sure XFCE provides those |
| 04:34.46 | Wyzard | vorpal: as well as a terminal and a lightweight file manager |
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| 04:35.27 | xoz_ | !start a window manager war |
| 04:35.27 | dpkg | twm sucks! |
| 04:35.30 | vorpal | Wyzard, excellent, i shall investigate. now, for the one million dollar question. how to remove all the one thousand dependencies that gnome installed? |
| 04:36.00 | Wyzard | vorpal: If you used aptitude it should be pretty easy because they're all marked as "auto" |
| 04:36.06 | Coweater | !remove gnome |
| 04:36.06 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
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| 04:36.20 | Wyzard | wow, that factoid is way out of date |
| 04:36.24 | Wyzard | libgnome32 doesn't even exist anymore |
| 04:36.28 | Wyzard | That's GNOME 1.x stuff |
| 04:36.51 | Wyzard | Well, OK, it exists, but GNOME doesn't use it |
| 04:37.31 | Wyzard | vorpal: General suggestion for cleaning up your system: launch aptitude and press 'M' while the cursor is on the "all packages" heading |
| 04:37.57 | donaldo | i checked out proggy fonts; they can't beat good old 6x10.pcf though ;) |
| 04:37.58 | Wyzard | vorpal: This will mark *everything* as having been installed automatically to satisfy dependencies, and aptitude will automatically mark everything for removal because nothing else depends on any of it |
| 04:38.20 | donaldo | lofl |
| 04:38.24 | Wyzard | vorpal: Then go through your installed(-but-marked-for-removal) packages and press '+' on the ones you actually want to keep |
| 04:38.34 | donaldo | oh :( |
| 04:38.41 | Wyzard | which will unmark them for removal, and also unmark for removal anything that they depend on |
| 04:38.51 | donaldo | i thought this was like the olden days when i'd tell people in AOL chatrooms to press Alt+F4 for a porno site |
| 04:39.02 | Wyzard | When you're done, anything that's not a dependency of something you want will be marked for removal |
| 04:39.33 | Wyzard | and everything that *is* a dependency of something you want will have the auto flag, so it can be automatically removed in the future if necessary |
| 04:39.34 | vorpal | Wyzard, OK, that should be doable. i keep it pretty tight on this box. thanks again |
| 04:39.52 | Wyzard | Press 'g', review the list of things it'll remove to make sure you didn't miss anything, then 'g' again to make it happen |
| 04:40.23 | vorpal | Wyzard, thanks |
| 04:40.30 | Wyzard | I usually do that process as the very first thing after installing Debian, when there isn't much installed yet so it's an easy task |
| 04:40.51 | Wyzard | and then using aptitude for everything henceforth, the auto flags keep the system free of old unnecessary packages |
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| 04:46.13 | vorpal | donaldo, thank you for your suggestions, as well |
| 04:46.46 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: part of the problem is that the initial set of packages have to be installed without using aptitude. |
| 04:47.12 | donaldo | vorpal: don't forget alt+f4 for porn :P |
| 04:47.14 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: I know, but the aptitude metadata could be preinstalled alongside them |
| 04:47.36 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: that'd require having aptitude tied to the set of packages installed. |
| 04:47.40 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: though ideally those "auto" flags should be part of the core dpkg metadata rather than an aptitude extension |
| 04:47.57 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: so that it'd have a better chance of being supported by other apt frontends, such as synaptic |
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| 04:48.25 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: it'd probably be better to have a method of telling aptitude to guess the auto flags itself |
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| 04:49.25 | sid | What is some simple, secure and easy to install(without root privileges) blogging software? Is there any client/application blogging software maybe, and I can just upload the html/rss? |
| 04:49.27 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: as far as moving the metadata goes, a lot of that functionality should probably be brought back into libapt, but that really requires a lot of work on all parties involved. Feel free to jump in and help out with getting apt updated |
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| 04:50.12 | lfs | SO like how does the rescue disk differ from the installation disk? |
| 04:50.29 | Wyzard | lfs: It's the same disc |
| 04:50.38 | lfs | Seems to do the same thing. |
| 04:50.54 | Wyzard | lfs: It's the installer, but also has a plain shell that you can use for rescue work |
| 04:51.13 | lfs | BUt the shell is there on the install mode |
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| 04:52.24 | lfs | I did rescue root=/dev/sda1 and root wasn't /dev/sda1 |
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| 04:55.10 | lfs | I Need a boot disk. WHere to get that. |
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| 04:57.26 | Wyzard | lfs: FWIW, for recovery stuff I just use an Ubuntu liveCD |
| 04:58.39 | Wyzard | lfs: It's a bit more pleasant than a bare shell, and I can install packages in the ramdisk environment |
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| 05:00.01 | lfs | I want to install the evil empire's thingy. |
| 05:02.09 | Wyzard | If you mean Windows, then why do you need a Debian rescue CD? |
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| 05:02.49 | lfs | Last time I installed Vista, I ran grub from Knoppix and I couldnt get Vista back |
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| 05:03.24 | Wyzard | You mean there was no entry for Vista in the GRUB menu, I assume |
| 05:03.44 | lfs | I added an entry for it after I got Debian |
| 05:03.48 | lfs | But it wont boot |
| 05:03.54 | Wyzard | ok |
| 05:03.54 | lfs | Bootmgr is missing |
| 05:04.06 | Wyzard | I've heard someone else mention that bootmgr problem too |
| 05:04.26 | Wyzard | apparently Vista's bootloader is different than XP's |
| 05:05.03 | Wyzard | I haven't researched that issue in detail (since I don't use Vista) but you can find info about it on the web |
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| 05:05.50 | lfs | I have had several dual boots, never these problems. |
| 05:06.13 | lfs | WHat is that program that boots from dos? |
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| 05:06.20 | Wyzard | loadlin? |
| 05:06.28 | Wyzard | Vista isn't DOS |
| 05:06.35 | Wyzard | I have no idea whether that still works... I doubt it |
| 05:06.37 | Supaplex | I think vista's bootmgr don't like being chainloaded |
| 05:06.37 | lfs | That wont work? |
| 05:07.09 | Supaplex | use http://www.goodbye-windows.com next time ;) |
| 05:07.11 | Wyzard | Supaplex: but you don't chainload bootmgr itself, you chainload the partition's boot sector, which is exactly the same thing Microsoft's MBR code would've done |
| 05:07.20 | GhostlyDeath | What program allows me to record everything goinf through dmix/ALS? |
| 05:07.22 | GhostlyDeath | ALSA* |
| 05:07.27 | Wyzard | Supaplex: or does Vista use new MBR code that actually does Windows boot stuff in the MBR? |
| 05:08.07 | lfs | They definetly changed things. |
| 05:08.16 | lfs | It says so on their website |
| 05:08.18 | Supaplex | Wyzard: I don't know fully, but I suspect DRM has a lot to do with it. bootmgr will chainload something else, but I haven't had success the other way around. I'm completely open to learning more on the topic. |
| 05:09.05 | Supaplex | lfs: they? who? |
| 05:09.22 | lfs | MS changed their whole boot system |
| 05:09.23 | Wyzard | Supaplex: ah... that doesn't surprise me, actually |
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| 05:09.32 | Wyzard | Supaplex: perhaps bootmgr is the new MBR code |
| 05:09.35 | Supaplex | oh, well there's http://www.goodbye-windows.com/debian/vista/ to |
| 05:09.43 | Supaplex | Wyzard: yea, it replaces ntldr |
| 05:09.51 | lfs | ANd they dont say where they put things |
| 05:10.09 | Supaplex | lfs: which "they" are we talking about here? |
| 05:10.18 | lfs | MS |
| 05:10.27 | Supaplex | they have kb articles on it |
| 05:10.43 | lfs | I read somewhere they the code is in the reserved spot after the MBR |
| 05:10.43 | Supaplex | but a far cry from FOSS. |
| 05:10.52 | Wyzard | hmm |
| 05:11.10 | Wyzard | so it theoretically should work if Vista is on a separate drive and GRUB chainloads that drive's MBR |
| 05:11.24 | Wyzard | but not if you put GRUB on the MBR of the drive Vista boots from |
| 05:11.38 | Supaplex | bootmgr -> grubbootsector -> grub -> linux |
| 05:11.40 | lfs | I have Debian on the first drive |
| 05:12.08 | Supaplex | drives don't matter. they can all be on hda/sda, provided partitioning gets along, and bootmgr has primary control over mbr |
| 05:12.21 | Supaplex | grub might be able to do it, but there's so little to go on, we just don't know yet. |
| 05:12.29 | Wyzard | weird |
| 05:12.34 | Wyzard | I'm glad I'm not using Vista :-) |
| 05:12.37 | GhostlyDeath | What program allows me to record everything going through dmix/ALSA? |
| 05:12.39 | Supaplex | atleast I haven't found anything, but I've only looked a few times since vista was released |
| 05:12.47 | lfs | I am not using Vista either |
| 05:12.50 | Supaplex | !tell GhostlyDeath -about repeat |
| 05:12.54 | lfs | MS free zone here |
| 05:13.09 | Supaplex | ditto. I'm just grabbing screenshots to show how it's done. |
| 05:13.16 | lfs | Unfortunately I paid for it. |
| 05:13.17 | GhostlyDeath | blah |
| 05:13.31 | Supaplex | lfs: you can refuse the license agreement and get a refund |
| 05:13.53 | Wyzard | theoretically |
| 05:14.07 | Wyzard | Good luck getting someone to issue an OS refund on a system where it came preinstalled |
| 05:14.08 | Supaplex | if you try |
| 05:14.22 | lfs | I built this one. |
| 05:14.34 | Wyzard | They'll tell you that the bundled OS is an integral part of the product, so you can either accept it or return the whole computer |
| 05:14.36 | Supaplex | they can't force you to pay for it if you refuse the agreement. all part of that antitrust case years ago |
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| 05:16.04 | lfs | I never dual boot an XP computer, but I did with win98 and win95 |
| 05:17.36 | Wyzard | I just use a separate computer for Windows games |
| 05:17.45 | Wyzard | so I don't have to shut down my main Debian desktop |
| 05:17.48 | peterS | an xbox? |
| 05:17.55 | Wyzard | nah, a PC |
| 05:18.01 | Wyzard | I'm playing SimCity right now, in fact :-) |
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| 05:18.30 | lfs | with AMD64 I cant get video |
| 05:18.39 | lfs | That is big problem with Debian |
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| 05:19.23 | Wyzard | huh? |
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| 05:19.31 | Wyzard | I'm IRCing from an amd64 box |
| 05:19.39 | Wyzard | Video works fine |
| 05:19.40 | lfs | Can I get video wigh amd64? |
| 05:19.43 | Wyzard | nVidia 7600 |
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| 05:19.55 | Wyzard | I can play UT2004 and Quake 4 |
| 05:19.59 | lfs | I mean like dancing with the stars |
| 05:20.07 | lfs | from ABC |
| 05:20.20 | Wyzard | oh, video sites on the web |
| 05:20.24 | Wyzard | Those usually use Flash |
| 05:20.28 | lfs | I cant get that |
| 05:20.30 | Wyzard | and there's no 64-bit Flash plugin yet |
| 05:20.37 | Wyzard | for Windows nor Linux |
| 05:20.48 | lfs | I can get it on Vista |
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| 05:20.55 | alexander1 | friday after midnight in #debian, nothing quite like it |
| 05:20.59 | Wyzard | You're probably running 32-bit Vista, then |
| 05:21.03 | Wyzard | You could install 32-bit Debian too |
| 05:21.13 | lfs | No I have 64 bit Vista |
| 05:21.21 | lfs | I did anyway |
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| 05:21.36 | Wyzard | and you have Flash on your 64-bit Vista? |
| 05:21.54 | lfs | Very good video |
| 05:21.54 | Wyzard | I'm pretty sure Adobe has not released a 64-bit Flash plugin yet |
| 05:22.02 | Wyzard | It might be that the site doesn't actually use Flash, but just streams video files |
| 05:22.14 | Wyzard | in which case it's a question of codecs -- it might be WMV or something |
| 05:22.25 | lfs | I cant get it with Debian |
| 05:22.36 | lfs | If not for that I would return Vista |
| 05:22.37 | Wyzard | You've said that several times already |
| 05:22.46 | Wyzard | I understand that you "can't get it" |
| 05:23.05 | Wyzard | We're trying to determine what "it" is -- exactly what it is that's needed for the video you want to watch |
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| 05:23.49 | lfs | Flash Player 9 for Linux |
| 05:23.49 | lfs | Version 9.0.31.0 |
| 05:24.12 | Wyzard | http://abc.go.com/primetime/dancingwiththestars/index -- is this what you're trying to watch? |
| 05:24.23 | lfs | Amongst other things |
| 05:24.40 | Wyzard | On that page I see a message saying that I need Flash |
| 05:24.48 | Wyzard | 64-bit Flash does not exist |
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| 05:24.58 | Wyzard | not even for Windows, I'm pretty sure -- Adobe hasn't finished porting it yet |
| 05:25.13 | Wyzard | If it works for you in Vista, you're most likely using 32-bit Vista |
| 05:25.20 | lfs | It might revert to 32 bit version somehow |
| 05:25.28 | Wyzard | Or maybe IE on Vista can load 32-bit plugins somehow |
| 05:25.48 | Wyzard | Anyway, you could just run 32-bit Debian |
| 05:26.05 | lfs | I can? |
| 05:26.11 | Wyzard | sure |
| 05:26.11 | lfs | What do I download |
| 05:26.17 | lfs | I'll do that |
| 05:26.27 | Wyzard | Plain old i386 Debian, just like you'd use on any other 32-bit processor |
| 05:26.40 | lfs | Great, thanks |
| 05:26.40 | Wyzard | The newer processors are 64-bit *capable*, but they can run 32-bit stuff just fine |
| 05:26.53 | Wyzard | and for a desktop system, 64-bitness doesn't really make much of a difference |
| 05:26.57 | Supaplex | afaik xp64 has a 32bit only ie, and you can run 32 and 64 versions at the same time. |
| 05:27.06 | Wyzard | ah, ok |
| 05:28.34 | Shadda | dammit... |
| 05:28.48 | lfs | That is good cause then I will have Wine without using sic |
| 05:28.54 | lfs | sid |
| 05:29.27 | Shadda | ok, I'm unable to use apt-get, because it says 'the following packages have unmet dependencies', so I run apt-get -f install |
| 05:29.36 | Shadda | That fails because it says to resolve the dependencies I need a 2.6 kernel |
| 05:29.45 | Shadda | so I try to install a 2.6 kernel and I get the first error |
| 05:29.54 | Shadda | Any way out of this paradoxal hell? |
| 05:30.19 | lfs | I thought Etch updated the kernels. |
| 05:30.21 | Supaplex | Shadda: is this etch? |
| 05:30.24 | Shadda | sarge |
| 05:30.33 | Shadda | Was going to run a dist-upgrade tonight |
| 05:30.44 | lfs | sounds good to me. |
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| 05:30.59 | Shadda | But I can't get past that error ;p |
| 05:31.00 | Supaplex | aptitude more keen on dependency resolution. don't forget the release notes |
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| 05:32.55 | lfs | DId you run dist-upgrade? |
| 05:33.31 | Supaplex | he's not running sarge if there are non sarge entries in sources.list. (food for thought) |
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| 05:39.42 | Shadda | yeah I can't do a goddamn thing because of this one package |
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| 05:39.46 | Shadda | libc6-dev |
| 05:39.52 | squisher | Anyone know how to clean up a system if you're just using apt-get? My / holds everything but /home, and has grown to just over 7GB. |
| 05:40.09 | lfs | DId you do a dist-upgrade? |
| 05:40.13 | Shadda | yes |
| 05:40.17 | Shadda | it stops halfway through |
| 05:40.24 | Shadda | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.5-7_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 05:40.24 | Shadda | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:40.54 | squisher | Shadda: are you still on 2.4? |
| 05:40.58 | Shadda | yep |
| 05:41.12 | scx | Hello! :D -- I just tried using kbtserialchat (serial bluetooth console) to run modem commands, I successfully got a connection to the ISP, loged in and even got an IP, but the question is how the hell do I use the connection !? |
| 05:41.32 | Shadda | Linux Gluttony 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 05:41.35 | squisher | Shadda: Ok, take this with a big grain of salt, because I don't know if 2.6 requires updated packages, but you could just install a 2.6 deb with dpkg. |
| 05:41.36 | scx | ifconfig does not show any interface related |
| 05:43.00 | Shadda | squisher I can't even use dpkg |
| 05:43.10 | lfs | Why not? |
| 05:43.18 | squisher | Shadda: dpkg doesn't check dependencies... so why can't you? |
| 05:43.31 | Shadda | er? dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of linux-image-2.6-486 |
| 05:44.14 | dondelelcaro | Shadda: add a set -x to the top of /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6.preinst, and rerun dpkg --configure -a; |
| 05:44.16 | squisher | Shadda: Yeah, but it starts the install, it just can't configure it. Does it say which dependency problems there are? |
| 05:44.20 | dondelelcaro | Shadda: give us the output using a paste site. |
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| 05:45.00 | scx | :( I feel some mix of emotion and perplexion, |
| 05:45.22 | squisher | scx: don't despair, google :) |
| 05:45.25 | Shadda | http://www.devpaste.com/3571 |
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| 05:45.50 | en1gma | hey all im thinking about doing a fresh install if debian sid using the net-install cd (how hard is it to get kde on with the net-install cd) |
| 05:46.13 | squisher | en1gma: just an apt-get install away... so depends on your line speed? |
| 05:47.20 | dondelelcaro | Shadda: what you're showing right now is the error because libc6 hasn't been completely installed. Run apt-get -f install; or similar |
| 05:47.20 | en1gma | i was reading the net-install cd instructions and it says it installs gnome when you pick "Desktop" |
| 05:47.20 | Shadda | dondelelcaro, right, I've done that, I get this |
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| 05:47.33 | Shadda | http://www.devpaste.com/3572 |
| 05:47.37 | scx | squisher: Well I see no link on how to use my phone as modem |
| 05:47.41 | en1gma | i think the instructions on the net-install cd page link to the instructions for the regular cd install |
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| 05:48.02 | squisher | en1gma: hmm, you can always just not select Desktop, and then install kde (but you'll be missing any other packages that desktop selects of course) |
| 05:48.24 | squisher | scx: are you sure then that kbtserialchat can do that? |
| 05:48.42 | dondelelcaro | Shadda: yes, so you need to install a 2.6 kernel and reboot, then rerun apt-get -f instlal |
| 05:48.46 | scx | besides that part is done, the connection is established but don't have a clue on how to register the interface |
| 05:48.53 | dondelelcaro | testing no longer supports 2.4 kernels |
| 05:48.57 | scx | squisher: I am totally sure |
| 05:48.59 | Shadda | dondelelcaro which is the problem :) I can't install a 2.6 kernel because of those errors |
| 05:49.02 | Shadda | dpkg gives me errors |
| 05:49.08 | Shadda | apt-get/aptitude give me errors |
| 05:49.14 | Shadda | all because of that one package |
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| 05:49.31 | dondelelcaro | Shadda: download the appropriate linux-image package that you want to install, and I will tell you how to install it. |
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| 05:49.39 | Zap-W | hi |
| 05:49.41 | dondelelcaro | Shadda: get it from packages.debian.org |
| 05:49.49 | Shadda | right, I already grabbed one |
| 05:50.01 | zol_ | What can replace xv ? |
| 05:50.04 | dondelelcaro | Shadda: which one is it? |
| 05:50.07 | Shadda | kernel-image-2.6-686_2.6.18+6_i386.deb |
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| 05:50.12 | dondelelcaro | zol_: xview or feh; feh is what I would recommend |
| 05:50.15 | zol_ | I'm searching little program for preview image |
| 05:50.29 | dondelelcaro | Shadda: that's not the right one. It will be linux-image-2.6.8-4-686 or similar |
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| 05:51.07 | Zap-W | say, agpgart is used only for 3d rendering right? |
| 05:51.23 | squisher | scx: sorry, can't help you then... don't have a bluetooth phone :) |
| 05:51.29 | zol_ | no such package |
| 05:51.37 | scx | squisher: |
| 05:51.38 | scx | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:52.09 | scx | basic modem chat |
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| 05:52.25 | Shadda | dondelelcaro linux-image-2.6-486_2.6.18+6_i386.deb ? |
| 05:52.40 | dondelelcaro | Shadda: no |
| 05:52.42 | scx | it is pretty, freaking nice, if I could just know how to use it... |
| 05:52.47 | dondelelcaro | Shadda: that is a meta package, not the actual kernel. |
| 05:52.52 | squisher | scx: yeah, but that doesn't mean that kbtserialchat can establish an internet connection |
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| 05:53.06 | squisher | scx: http://docs.kde.org/development/en/extragear-pim/kdebluetooth/components.kbtserialchat.html doesn't sound like that would be possible. |
| 05:53.13 | scx | squisher: eh... well I got an IP... |
| 05:53.16 | dondelelcaro | !tell zol_ -about search |
| 05:53.34 | squisher | scx: sure. But that doesn't mean you can now use the connection - obviously :) |
| 05:53.49 | dondelelcaro | zol_: it's xview-clients, and you would have been able to find it if you had learned what dpkg told you. |
| 05:54.22 | scx | squisher: heh :) There has to be someway, otherwise would be ilogical to me |
| 05:54.59 | Shadda | http://security.debian.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-image-2.6.18-4-486_2.6.18.dfsg.1-12etch2_i386.deb |
| 05:55.01 | Shadda | that then? :) |
| 05:55.20 | squisher | scx: read the description on the link that I sent you. It says "very simple chat client&server". That doesn't sound like it would establish a network interface to me. Sure it'll work, you just have to find the right program |
| 05:55.21 | dondelelcaro | Shadda: yes. |
| 05:55.28 | Shadda | good, damn thing was on page 5 |
| 05:55.37 | scx | squisher: after all we already use serial devices for modems, and we can use bluetooth for wlan, therefore I think it is possible |
| 05:55.51 | Shadda | now I get grub dependencies |
| 05:55.52 | scx | squisher: reading... :) |
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| 05:56.14 | dondelelcaro | Shadda: don't bother to get grub or its dependencies or the dependencies of the package that I told you to get |
| 05:56.25 | dondelelcaro | Shadda: you've got a bootloader that works now, so you should just use it |
| 05:56.44 | Shadda | so dpkg --install <image> --force ? |
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| 05:57.20 | dondelelcaro | Shadda: just dpkg -i --force-depends linux-image-blahblahblah.deb |
| 05:57.39 | dondelelcaro | Shadda: then configure your bootloader to load that kernel as well as the one that you're running on now and reboot. |
| 05:57.44 | Shadda | still bitching at me about grub |
| 05:57.59 | dondelelcaro | it'll warn, but it'll unpack the kernel. |
| 05:58.33 | Shadda | http://www.devpaste.com/3573 |
| 05:58.34 | Shadda | is what I get |
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| 05:59.43 | scx | squisher: at least I can make my computer to call my house :p |
| 06:00.00 | squisher | scx: that's better than nothing :-) |
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| 06:01.39 | dondelelcaro | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:01.54 | en1gma | are there net-install cds of sid (unstable) |
| 06:02.20 | dondelelcaro | en1gma: no |
| 06:02.27 | en1gma | crap |
| 06:02.27 | dondelelcaro | en1gma: just install stable and upgrade to sid |
| 06:02.42 | en1gma | well i see there are "testing" net install cds |
| 06:02.48 | Shadda | Failed to find suitable ramdisk generation tool for kernel version |
| 06:02.48 | Shadda | 2.6.18-4-486 on running kernel 2.4.27-2-386 in mkinitramfs-kpkg mkinitrd.yaird |
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| 06:02.59 | Shadda | ffs, I may as well just nuke the entire install and start from scratch |
| 06:03.08 | en1gma | cant i just change the repo to sid during net-install |
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| 06:03.14 | dondelelcaro | en1gma: yes |
| 06:03.21 | en1gma | nice :) |
| 06:03.35 | dondelelcaro | Shadda: what version of Debian are you running now? |
| 06:03.40 | Shadda | 3.1 |
| 06:03.40 | en1gma | now if i want to install kde and not gnome how would i do this with a net-install |
| 06:04.04 | Shadda | meh |
| 06:04.07 | Shadda | I'm just gonna nuke it |
| 06:04.17 | Shadda | get an etch netinstall goin |
| 06:04.17 | en1gma | actually "KDE BASE" and not the full kde |
| 06:04.19 | Vasistha | en1gma: you can also just disconnect your network, and that way you won't install *anything* until you've got the sources.list set up the way you want. I did an install like that (you need the full net install cd, not the business card image) |
| 06:04.27 | dondelelcaro | Shadda: ok, change your /etc/apt/sources.list to not use testing but etch, and run apt-get update. Then you're going to read and follow the release notes. |
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| 06:04.52 | dondelelcaro | or you can just reinstall; your choice. |
| 06:05.09 | en1gma | ahh so if the network is connected to net it wont ask for the sources? |
| 06:05.59 | en1gma | do i edit the source.list file then reboot for the installer to pick up where it left off? without the cd in the drive i presume |
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| 06:08.12 | Vasistha | en1gma: well, the way I did it, I just did the "network install" but I disconnected the network cable during the install. That way you get a base system. Then you can change the sources.list, and upgrade just your base system to whatever version you want ... and only then, get all your packages |
| 06:08.54 | en1gma | ahh ok |
| 06:08.57 | en1gma | good idea |
| 06:08.59 | en1gma | :) |
| 06:09.08 | en1gma | dlaoding the i386 testing iso |
| 06:11.10 | zol_ | non |
| 06:11.16 | zol_ | dondelelcaro it's xloadimage |
| 06:11.27 | zol_ | or qiv |
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| 06:14.55 | dondelelcaro | zol_: what about it? |
| 06:15.07 | zol_ | xview |
| 06:15.14 | zol_ | xview is xloadimage |
| 06:15.20 | zol_ | not xview-clients |
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| 06:17.02 | dondelelcaro | ah, right. |
| 06:17.24 | dondelelcaro | xview-clients is what has XV, iirc. |
| 06:18.03 | dondelelcaro | in any event, feh is really what you want to use |
| 06:19.51 | xingu | eog :) |
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| 06:23.32 | dondelelcaro | xingu: I suggest trying feh first; eog is immense. |
| 06:26.03 | Supaplex | catch! |
| 06:26.42 | xingu | cool; that'll replace the set that the whiteants ate |
| 06:27.11 | xingu | surveys suggest that nine out of ten white ants prefer sunos to svr4 |
| 06:27.45 | xingu | for some reason they found 4.1.3u particularly tasty |
| 06:27.57 | Supaplex | they're even in leet speak klingon |
| 06:28.11 | Supaplex | white ants? |
| 06:28.37 | xingu | termites |
| 06:28.42 | Supaplex | I'm either way too tired, or .. ahh |
| 06:28.51 | Vasistha | do some people actually refer to termites as white ants? |
| 06:28.59 | xingu | yes. :) |
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| 06:29.29 | xingu | there's even a related colloquialism - "white-anting" |
| 06:29.38 | Vasistha | guh ... must say I'm not fond of termites, after the experiences I've had around them in the last several years |
| 06:30.26 | Vasistha | yeah, see, we don't do well with those in california... they fall down in earthquakes |
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| 06:35.47 | xingu | it's very easy to get used to how silky armagetron gets on accelerated ogl hardware |
| 06:36.22 | xingu | everything turned up, sync to vblank, nailed permanently on 60fps |
| 06:38.12 | xingu | boring old news I guess, but I kinda missed the last 5y or so worth of fun bits owing to a feeble neomagic 2d chip under the bonnet |
| 06:38.48 | Vasistha | i'd never heard of aybabtu until last year... |
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| 06:39.19 | Zap-W | what's the version of xorg in etch |
| 06:39.51 | xingu | !pdo |
| 06:39.51 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 06:40.34 | scx | how networks interfaces are assignated? |
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| 06:40.38 | scx | "" |
| 06:40.40 | Vasistha | ii xorg 7.1.0-16 X.Org X Window System |
| 06:41.31 | xingu | scx: with a >2.6.16 or so kernel - as they are discovered by udev; see /etc/udev/rules.d/z24_persistent-net.rules |
| 06:42.25 | xingu | s/z24/z25/ |
| 06:42.32 | scx | xingu: actually I want to use my bletooth serial connection to connect to Internet trough a dialup connection |
| 06:42.43 | xingu | good luck with that |
| 06:42.49 | scx | xingu: I got already an IP but dunno how to route |
| 06:42.54 | scx | :p |
| 06:43.53 | xingu | scx: you probably just need to add the defaultroute option to pppd but it's been 3+ years and about 1000 fine beers since I last had to care about that sort of things |
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| 06:48.14 | en1gma | Vasistha its asking me something about the network (you know because i unplugged the cord) what do i set it to? configure later? |
| 06:48.23 | en1gma | and if so what is the command to do this |
| 06:49.26 | Vasistha | en1gma: yeah, just let it configure later... let it proceed w/out network |
| 06:49.50 | en1gma | how do i start that same network configurator later |
| 06:49.51 | Vasistha | en1gma: that just means it won't give you the options just yet to, e.g., install gui desktop, or mail server, or whatever |
| 06:50.03 | en1gma | i know with other distros it = "netcardconfig" |
| 06:50.06 | Vasistha | probably something with dpkg-reconfigure |
| 06:50.06 | en1gma | not sure with debian |
| 06:50.27 | Zap-W | why isnt there a dri directory in xorg with dri drivers |
| 06:50.34 | en1gma | could you tell me command exactly so i can tell my friend (well so i can write it down to give to him) |
| 06:50.37 | factotum | of you could leave it pugged in, deselect desktop and base system, config yout apt sources and go from there |
| 06:51.03 | en1gma | well i past that |
| 06:51.10 | en1gma | he said unplug so i plugged |
| 06:51.19 | en1gma | what is the base system |
| 06:51.20 | factotum | oh |
| 06:51.28 | en1gma | i might stop him right now |
| 06:51.40 | en1gma | hes only typing in root passworkd as we speak |
| 06:51.51 | en1gma | deselect desktop and "BASE"? |
| 06:51.52 | svalvolo | good morning |
| 06:52.02 | factotum | yep |
| 06:52.03 | en1gma | moin |
| 06:52.12 | factotum | or just deselect desktop |
| 06:52.25 | xingu | the installer's network config tool is local to the installer itself |
| 06:52.25 | en1gma | factorum isnt it "Desktop" and "System" |
| 06:53.04 | factotum | if your going to update from testing to unstable, just intall the base, change your apt sources, update those, upgrade your kernel, reboot, then do the rest of they system |
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| 06:53.21 | factotum | always worked for me |
| 06:53.24 | Vasistha | ...perhaps with aptitude |
| 06:53.28 | factotum | mileage may vary |
| 06:53.29 | en1gma | yea i know but when do i change the source.list (does it ask me)? |
| 06:53.31 | xingu | personally, I'd suggest not futzing about with advanced installation modes until you're already comfortable with the distribution's inner workings |
| 06:53.46 | xingu | and I'd definitely not recommend unstable for such a usage |
| 06:53.52 | factotum | Vasistha: okay whatever, nitpick all you want |
| 06:53.55 | xingu | but hey, go break stuff, it's how you'll learn. |
| 06:54.06 | en1gma | we are already using unstable and it works great (its just not a good clean install) |
| 06:54.15 | en1gma | "Desktop" installs to much garbage |
| 06:54.32 | xingu | what's your strategy going to be when unstable does break though? |
| 06:54.40 | Vasistha | en1gma: well, the thing about debian, is it out to uninstall anything you don't want pretty cleanly |
| 06:54.40 | en1gma | does it break alot? |
| 06:54.47 | xingu | the clue's in the name |
| 06:54.48 | Vasistha | it breaks sometimes, yes. |
| 06:54.52 | factotum | i havent had unstable break in the last three years so I dont know |
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| 06:55.06 | lkthomas-home | hey guys |
| 06:55.09 | xingu | I'd wager those of us running unstable probably know what we're doing. |
| 06:55.12 | lkthomas-home | does linux support NIC card polling ? |
| 06:55.16 | en1gma | ive always used -current in other distros and never had severe problems |
| 06:55.20 | xingu | lkthomas-home: yes; "NAPI" |
| 06:55.32 | lkthomas-home | xingu: any docs shows how to use it ? |
| 06:55.43 | factotum | ive had issues that i have been able to resolve, yes, but no serious breakage |
| 06:55.48 | xingu | lkthomas-home: it's usually switched on automagically for the hardware/drivers that support it |
| 06:56.04 | xingu | lkthomas-home: nothing to "use" per se; it's either on, or it isn't - what hardware do you have? |
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| 06:56.15 | lkthomas-home | xingu: intel nic card |
| 06:56.21 | xingu | lkthomas-home: specifically? |
| 06:56.22 | lkthomas-home | xingu: how to check if it's enabled ? |
| 06:56.29 | lkthomas-home | xingu: 100/pro |
| 06:56.58 | xingu | lkthomas-home: read the driver source is a good bet; for e100 driver you're in luck. |
| 06:57.13 | cafuego | Okay, here goes nothing... |
| 06:57.21 | lkthomas-home | oppps |
| 06:57.26 | lkthomas-home | xingu: I am on e1000 |
| 06:57.33 | lkthomas-home | not 100 |
| 06:58.55 | xingu | lkthomas-home: compile time option; check /boot/config-`uname -r` for CONFIG_E1000_NAPI |
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| 06:59.37 | xingu | lkthomas-home: you'd have to be a complete tit to not enable it on e1000, or, have a specialised use-case like ntp stratum 1 |
| 06:59.58 | xingu | having said that |
| 07:00.01 | xingu | :) |
| 07:00.16 | lkthomas-home | # CONFIG_E1000_NAPI is not set |
| 07:00.17 | lkthomas-home | FUCK! |
| 07:00.22 | xingu | the idiots are winning it seems |
| 07:00.23 | lkthomas-home | xingu: sorry ? |
| 07:00.49 | lkthomas-home | I think I have to recompile the kernel again |
| 07:00.50 | lkthomas-home | damn |
| 07:01.03 | xingu | lkthomas-home: time for you to recompile and also for you to ask why you're not using your distribution's kernel ;) |
| 07:01.15 | lkthomas-home | LOL |
| 07:01.16 | lkthomas-home | :) |
| 07:01.27 | lkthomas-home | xingu: I am using distro config file to recompile kernel |
| 07:01.51 | xingu | lkthomas-home: NAPI can mess with rtt estimation and add skew/jitter outside ring 0's control |
| 07:02.01 | xingu | lkthomas-home: so it's not always a good idea; but it usually is. |
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| 07:03.18 | lkthomas-home | xingu: what's the meaning of it ? |
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| 07:03.37 | xingu | lkthomas-home: if your goal is to create a reliable network clock (ie synch source, not time of day) poll can mess with that; but for nearly every /other/ use case it's a total free lunch - and for gigE line rate, you'll be getting a caning from interrupt overhead without it |
| 07:04.20 | xingu | lkthomas-home: for an explanation of the NAPI feature set, see src/linux/Documentation/networking/NAPI_HOWTO.txt |
| 07:04.21 | lkthomas-home | hmm |
| 07:04.26 | lkthomas-home | ok |
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| 07:06.51 | lkthomas-home | xingu: how big of diff between polling and non-polling ? |
| 07:07.17 | xingu | lkthomas-home: for the 64-76byte packet size at gigE line rate? huge max, huge. |
| 07:07.30 | xingu | lkthomas-home: see that documentation for some hard numbers. |
| 07:07.46 | lkthomas-home | I have no idea what's the packet size of my network |
| 07:08.03 | xingu | then that's probably the first question you should concern yourself with. :) |
| 07:08.10 | lkthomas-home | LOL |
| 07:08.14 | lkthomas-home | damn you xingu :) |
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| 07:10.07 | xingu | lkthomas-home: before/ after you'd be looking to reduce si% in a recent-ish top. |
| 07:10.27 | lkthomas-home | si = ? |
| 07:10.31 | xingu | lkthomas-home: if it's >5% or so you've got serious problems |
| 07:10.44 | lkthomas-home | I see |
| 07:10.48 | xingu | lkthomas-home: time spent servicing software interrupts |
| 07:10.50 | lkthomas-home | you means after enable polling ? |
| 07:11.05 | xingu | lkthomas-home: constrasting before and after, specifically |
| 07:11.21 | lkthomas-home | LOL |
| 07:11.32 | lkthomas-home | 0.3% sometime for me |
| 07:12.39 | lkthomas-home | I don't think P4 system would go that far |
| 07:12.39 | xingu | lkthomas-home: not too bad then; be interesting to collect that over a working week and look at range and average. |
| 07:13.09 | lkthomas-home | hmm |
| 07:13.44 | xingu | lkthomas-home: it's a % - so a p4 is just as capable as being completely buried as anything else |
| 07:13.49 | scx | xingu: ah! got it! the damon has to be initialized: pand --listen --role NAP |
| 07:13.52 | en1gma | alright i have a suggestion for you people who make the net-install cds ;) when i choose not to pick a mirror (to make a "Standard" install) after i reboot into console...i do an apt-get update and then i do an 'apt-get install mc' and it cant dload and i would also like to be able to do a 'apt-get install gpm' as those 2 items sure would make editing the source.list file alot easier |
| 07:14.06 | scx | scx: I got a bletooth0 interface somehow |
| 07:14.18 | scx | ehhh... |
| 07:14.18 | lkthomas-home | xingu: well :) |
| 07:14.23 | lkthomas-home | it is capable :) |
| 07:14.25 | Zap-W | are there any deb packages for intel 946GZ graphics drivers |
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| 07:14.50 | xingu | lkthomas-home: nb not all p4's were born equal either, there's some late xeon's for instance that aren't completely crap |
| 07:15.05 | scx | Zap-W: maybe my friend knows |
| 07:15.39 | en1gma | anyone know what i mean about that net-instal-cd? it should come with "mc" and "gpm" that way we at least get a good file manager and mouse |
| 07:15.42 | scx | Zap-W: his name is Google, http://google.com , this is Zap-W, Zap-W this is Google |
| 07:15.48 | en1gma | i mean what is it 5-7megs probably |
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| 07:16.22 | xingu | lkthomas-home: nb top is only showing you a rolling 1s average; so if you have a sub-second burst of activity, this will tend to smooth the reported figure downward |
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| 07:16.54 | xingu | lkthomas-home: but it's a reasonable canary to tell you if there's a serious problem rather than only a theoretical problem |
| 07:17.02 | lkthomas-home | hmm |
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| 07:17.04 | lkthomas-home | ok |
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| 07:17.38 | xingu | in fact my top defaults to a 5s refresh rate |
| 07:17.43 | tarzeau | is there anyone that plays sauerbraten? |
| 07:17.52 | musya_ | alright ive got some problems |
| 07:18.05 | xingu | tarzeau: for some reason that makes me want to gorge on pickled cabbage |
| 07:18.15 | musya_ | im installing debian but non of the mirrors work |
| 07:18.30 | musya_ | it says either bad mirror or it is offline |
| 07:18.33 | musya_ | a red screen |
| 07:18.36 | musya_ | what should i do?; |
| 07:18.43 | tarzeau | musya_: networking is correctly set up? |
| 07:18.43 | musya_ | i manually configured my network |
| 07:18.49 | tarzeau | musya_: what error msg exactly? |
| 07:18.50 | musya_ | and it said it was connected |
| 07:18.54 | lkthomas-home | brb |
| 07:18.57 | tarzeau | musya_: dns is right? default gw too? |
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| 07:19.05 | tarzeau | musya_: connected doesn't mean all is correct |
| 07:19.09 | tarzeau | no proxy needed? |
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| 07:19.38 | musya_ | the specified debian archive is either not available or does not have a valid release file on it, please try a differennt mirro |
| 07:19.59 | musya_ | it asked for one but i dont know what to put in it so i left it blank |
| 07:20.04 | musya_ | i think its right |
| 07:20.35 | tarzeau | musya_: try using the ftp.ch.debian.org (switzerland) |
| 07:20.39 | musya_ | ping 192.168.10.101 |
| 07:20.43 | tarzeau | musya_: which mirror are you trying an official one? |
| 07:20.45 | musya_ | oops sorry wrong window |
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| 07:20.57 | musya_ | yea i tryed alot of them |
| 07:21.07 | musya_ | about 5 in the us then the uk and same thing |
| 07:21.08 | tarzeau | musya_: fi and ch never failed on me |
| 07:21.20 | musya_ | hmm |
| 07:21.31 | tarzeau | musya_: but were those official? they end with debian.org in the hostname? |
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| 07:21.36 | tarzeau | err domain name |
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| 07:21.49 | musya_ | would i get the same thing if just load the minimal install? |
| 07:21.58 | musya_ | a desktop enviorment? |
| 07:22.04 | musya_ | yea they had debian.org |
| 07:22.15 | tarzeau | musya_: yea, a mirror is exactly the same usually |
| 07:22.47 | musya_ | i cant ping the addressed i specified my debian setup |
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| 07:22.58 | xingu | woo; gcc-4.2 hitting sid |
| 07:23.01 | musya_ | and auto network config wont do it |
| 07:23.04 | tarzeau | musya_: why not? what says ifconfig ? |
| 07:23.15 | tarzeau | musya_: your dhcp server works? you have network link? |
| 07:23.18 | musya_ | huh? |
| 07:23.25 | musya_ | yea i get internet |
| 07:23.26 | roland_ | hi , why does my www.mydomain.ro keep running even if bind is NOT running anymore on the server? |
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| 07:23.31 | musya_ | and i think i did my network correctly |
| 07:23.38 | tarzeau | roland_: dns is cached? |
| 07:23.53 | tarzeau | roland_: http://www.rscott.org/dns/ |
| 07:23.56 | roland_ | tarzeau: at the "upstream" Dns server? eg. isp ? |
| 07:24.00 | musya_ | my laptop is on a different router than the debain |
| 07:24.06 | musya_ | but i cant even ping it |
| 07:24.20 | musya_ | you think i should try and reconfigure my network |
| 07:24.20 | musya_ | ? |
| 07:24.38 | roland_ | tarzeau, but when TTL expires and if my bind doesnt work anymore the www.domain.ro will not work |
| 07:24.49 | musya_ | would i get a desktop enviorment if i just boot the minimal install? |
| 07:24.58 | tarzeau | roland_: install host, type soa mydomain.ro and then mx and ns mydomain.ro |
| 07:25.14 | tarzeau | musya_: a command line desktop maybe, if you add emacs |
| 07:25.36 | musya_ | but i can install kde or gnome afterwards right? |
| 07:25.40 | roland_ | dont unterstand |
| 07:25.52 | tarzeau | musya_: sure |
| 07:25.58 | musya_ | just in case how would i edit my network settings"? |
| 07:26.16 | tarzeau | musya_: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 07:26.23 | tarzeau | or using ip,ifconfig,route |
| 07:26.24 | musya_ | ah, interfaces ok |
| 07:26.31 | unix_infidel | tarzeau: any reason you sent me a ctcp version last night? |
| 07:26.38 | tarzeau | unix_infidel: curiousnes |
| 07:26.44 | unix_infidel | tarzeau: because of the nick? |
| 07:26.50 | musya_ | k lemme try the minimal install |
| 07:26.50 | tarzeau | +s |
| 07:26.55 | xingu | roland_: check whois domain.ro output; if the ro cctld/registry has domain.ro registered, there will be a glue/stub delegation at the .ro cctld |
| 07:26.57 | tarzeau | unix_infidel: no because you joined |
| 07:27.12 | unix_infidel | tarzeau: you do it to everyone who walks through #debian? |
| 07:27.20 | xingu | roland_: if you want to retract that, you need to take it up with whoever whois tells you is the registry/NIC for the domain |
| 07:27.20 | tarzeau | unix_infidel: no, just randomly |
| 07:27.28 | xingu | roland_: this is seriously OT for #debian |
| 07:27.47 | unix_infidel | odd. |
| 07:27.54 | tarzeau | xingu: it's a debian box, please stop |
| 07:28.02 | tarzeau | xingu: #debian used to help in a broad range of way |
| 07:28.11 | tarzeau | xingu: you don't HAVE to help, but allow others to |
| 07:29.17 | xingu | tarzeau: n/p - and if I understood his question correctly, there's probably nothing more to do |
| 07:29.29 | Zap-W | is agpgart in the kernel also used for 2d rendering ? , |
| 07:29.36 | tarzeau | xingu: right, i also just got it from the line above the OT line |
| 07:30.40 | roland_ | xingu: for how much time? |
| 07:31.04 | roland_ | is it glued |
| 07:31.13 | xingu | roland_: until the whois record says the registration expires |
| 07:31.18 | xingu | roland_: usually - order=years. |
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| 07:32.03 | xingu | roland_: nb glue is just that; it's a stub that tells other caches how to locate your authoritative nameserver |
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| 07:32.37 | xingu | roland_: it is *not* anything else; so even though domain.ro will resolve to a referral, if your ns is offline it will stop there - as a referral |
| 07:32.47 | roland_ | ffs |
| 07:32.50 | roland_ | i will read DNS |
| 07:32.52 | roland_ | book |
| 07:32.54 | xingu | :) |
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| 07:33.00 | xingu | roland_: good plan :) |
| 07:33.12 | musya_ | is there a command line option to auto config the network? |
| 07:33.17 | musya_ | i cant seem to get it to work |
| 07:33.28 | xingu | roland_: sorry if this is a bit terse, but dns is finicky and it pays to be precise |
| 07:33.33 | roland_ | am i worth a bit of money if i would be a dns expert ? |
| 07:34.29 | xingu | roland_: people seem to pay me enough to cover my rent if that's what you're asking ;) |
| 07:34.32 | musya_ | tarzeau i cant reach anything from my computer |
| 07:34.58 | tarzeau | musya_: you must be doing something wrong |
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| 07:35.13 | tarzeau | musya_: dhclient eth0 |
| 07:35.18 | tarzeau | musya_: when the interface is up |
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| 07:35.26 | musya_ | well probably my networking settings |
| 07:35.34 | tarzeau | musya_: can you post /etc/resolv.conf , netstat -nr and ifconfig -a outputs? |
| 07:35.59 | tarzeau | musya_: and do you have lights where the network cable is plugged in? |
| 07:36.01 | xingu | roland_: it's probably a bit too vertical to be a career path; there are some contractors that are pretty well paid but they tend to work on fixed term infrastructure contracts - and once they're done, it might be a bit of a wait for the next one; microsoft's active directory has created a sudden interest in all things dns commercially... |
| 07:36.09 | musya_ | that would be alot of typing |
| 07:36.21 | tarzeau | musya_: you can make photos too |
| 07:36.30 | musya_ | its still doing dhclient eth0 |
| 07:36.57 | tarzeau | musya_: abort it, ctrl-c |
| 07:36.57 | musya_ | my debian is command line right now |
| 07:37.01 | musya_ | and im on a laptop |
| 07:37.08 | tarzeau | so? |
| 07:37.18 | musya_ | says |
| 07:37.25 | musya_ | no dhcpoffers recieved |
| 07:37.32 | musya_ | no working leases |
| 07:37.43 | musya_ | in presistan database - sleeping |
| 07:38.03 | xingu | roland_: ... as has the increased use of xml in transaction processing; xml based systems, it turns out, have a gigantic archille's heel - if dns is slow or just plain poorly designed, throughput will suck |
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| 07:41.19 | xingu | roland_: oh, just as a footnote; there's even a term for the situation you describe - delegated domain with all ns' offline or deceased - "lame delegation" |
| 07:42.09 | musya_ | to restart your netwrork tis just /etc/init.d/networking/ restart? |
| 07:42.12 | musya_ | correct? |
| 07:42.17 | xingu | roland_: if it's a visible zone (google hit for something for eg, or noticable spam recipient) expect a nastygram or two. |
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| 07:42.55 | Alvedaro | anyone uses surgemail, and knows how can I empty the mail queue? |
| 07:45.56 | xingu | Alvedaro: if it's anything like other mda's, try running it as ".... -q" to run the queue would be my blind guess |
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| 07:46.15 | xingu | Alvedaro: I realise running the queue is not emptying it, but it might be close enough semantically. |
| 07:46.17 | musya_ | tarzeau looks like my router registered it |
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| 07:46.38 | musya_ | my dns server would be the same as the gateway? right? in a dlink router? |
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| 07:47.48 | musya_ | when editing interfaces i have static |
| 07:47.54 | musya_ | should that be dhcp |
| 07:47.55 | musya_ | ? |
| 07:48.00 | Alvedaro | xingu, I though deleting file in /var/spool/mailqueue would do it (??) , what if it was sendmail or exim?? |
| 07:48.27 | xingu | Alvedaro: for sendmail there's usually a paired df and qf for each spooled message. |
| 07:48.57 | xingu | Alvedaro: also an xf in some cases; providing you blow them out of the water together, that should be sufficient |
| 07:49.16 | xingu | Alvedaro: for exim, nfi - far too ultra modern for me. :) |
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| 07:49.20 | tarzeau | musya_: ok it's hopeless |
| 07:49.30 | Alvedaro | xingu, ok thanks |
| 07:49.30 | tarzeau | musya_: try wikipedia and tcp/ip |
| 07:50.03 | xingu | Alvedaro: nb; it's really poor form to delete spooled mail |
| 07:50.07 | musya_ | whys it hopless? |
| 07:50.15 | xingu | Alvedaro: you've just violated the smtp rfc by doing so |
| 07:50.50 | tarzeau | 09:47 < musya_> when editing interfaces i have static. should that be dhcp? |
| 07:50.51 | Xenguy | musya_: just arrived, but if static doesn't work, you could simply try dhcp, yes? |
| 07:51.04 | tarzeau | Xenguy: he has no clue on what is what |
| 07:51.13 | Xenguy | ahh |
| 07:51.49 | Alvedaro | xingu, I didn't know what to do! :( |
| 07:51.51 | Xenguy | well usually it is an either/or situation |
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| 07:51.54 | musya_ | grr |
| 07:52.01 | xingu | Alvedaro: rfc says you can bounce it and you can fail to receive it, but once you've told the peer that you've recieved the message, you must attempt to deliver it. |
| 07:52.02 | Alvedaro | and I've never played that much with mail servers... |
| 07:52.05 | musya_ | its just that debian always gave me this problem |
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| 07:52.08 | musya_ | but not ubuntu |
| 07:52.14 | tarzeau | musya_: then use ubuntu |
| 07:52.30 | Xenguy | musya_: that is quite unlikely actually |
| 07:52.34 | musya_ | dont want to |
| 07:52.44 | musya_ | i bet it is |
| 07:52.48 | xingu | Alvedaro: and there's no scope in there for "acknowledge successful receipt and silently discard" |
| 07:53.03 | tarzeau | musya_: you're wrong, debian works like a champ here |
| 07:53.05 | claudio` | Does anyone have an idea of why iceweasel have all characters largest (included web pages)? |
| 07:53.06 | xingu | Alvedaro: which is probably why there's never been a high level tool for doing that... |
| 07:53.11 | Xenguy | musya_: networking usually works, or doesn't, for a logical reason :-) |
| 07:53.51 | musya_ | i like debain |
| 07:53.55 | musya_ | debian |
| 07:54.04 | Xenguy | musya_: I had some problems recently with a new/used laptop and thought that there might be hardware/NIC problems, but it turned out to be a simple mis-configuration |
| 07:54.06 | musya_ | ive used it for servers all of the time |
| 07:54.21 | musya_ | yea probabaly |
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| 07:55.04 | Xenguy | musya_: so do you know how to back up your /etc/network/interfaces file, and then try to modify it for dhcp? |
| 07:55.06 | xingu | Alvedaro: why is the spooled mail a problem? perhaps there's another solution |
| 07:55.09 | musya_ | ok im reinstalling i get two options, eth0 firewire ieee 1394 ehernet device and a eth1 realtek semiconductor |
| 07:55.09 | tarzeau | Xenguy: i've got an alpha here that really has a hardware/nic problem (or software). dhclient doesn't work (some very fast msgs), and i can only configure the interface statically, after i rmmod,modprobe the nic driver after i try dhcp |
| 07:55.32 | tarzeau | musya_: i doubt you have a firewire cable on |
| 07:55.35 | tarzeau | musya_: did you use eth1? |
| 07:55.41 | musya_ | no eth0 |
| 07:55.45 | tarzeau | musya_: HA HA HA |
| 07:55.50 | tarzeau | musya_: you have no idea what firewire is? |
| 07:55.53 | musya_ | but it says firewire |
| 07:55.56 | musya_ | yea i do |
| 07:55.56 | tarzeau | musya_: go disable it in your bios if you don't know |
| 07:56.06 | tarzeau | musya_: do you have a firewire cable? |
| 07:56.08 | musya_ | ofcourse i know what firewire is |
| 07:56.14 | Alvedaro | xingu, we had a php script that sends mail to a huge number of users, 2 minutes later we realised that we sent the wrong content |
| 07:56.19 | musya_ | i got a pci card for firewire |
| 07:56.20 | tarzeau | musya_: what is it? |
| 07:56.30 | tarzeau | musya_: well don't use it for network then |
| 07:56.30 | musya_ | i use it for video |
| 07:56.32 | Xenguy | tarzeau: try to *help* :-) |
| 07:56.33 | musya_ | all of the time |
| 07:56.42 | tarzeau | Xenguy: man , he needs a clue really |
| 07:56.52 | musya_ | who me? |
| 07:56.57 | musya_ | hey its been a long day |
| 07:57.10 | Xenguy | tarzeau: helping and clue are not mutually exclusive, really |
| 07:57.19 | tarzeau | Xenguy: well pick eth1 already |
| 07:57.24 | musya_ | i did |
| 07:57.26 | musya_ | it worked |
| 07:57.30 | tarzeau | Xenguy: you can't use firewire without wires |
| 07:57.31 | Xenguy | ? |
| 07:57.37 | tarzeau | s,Xenguy,musya_, |
| 07:57.40 | tarzeau | it's not wireless |
| 07:57.42 | xingu | Alvedaro: google says http://www.land10.nl/surgemail/viewtopic.php?p=18 |
| 07:57.43 | Xenguy | nod |
| 07:57.44 | musya_ | i actually just mis read it |
| 07:57.47 | musya_ | the first time |
| 07:58.01 | tarzeau | i really wonder why debian put firewire devices as eth0 or in there at all |
| 07:58.44 | xingu | tarzeau: there's a delicate dance that dhclient needs to do to monitor eth carrier status so that it can request after link up |
| 07:58.53 | xingu | tarzeau: that dance might be what's going wrong on your alpha |
| 07:59.04 | xingu | tarzeau: it's certainly bitten many drivers in the intel world |
| 07:59.10 | musya_ | a dance? |
| 07:59.16 | xingu | tarzeau: allegedly the isc v3.0 code is better in that dimension |
| 07:59.22 | musya_ | what sort of dance? |
| 07:59.27 | Alvedaro | xingu, thanks for the link |
| 08:00.01 | xingu | musya_: a metaphorical one |
| 08:00.28 | tarzeau | xingu: so more like a software problem? |
| 08:01.42 | xingu | tarzeau: api problem; there's two linux api's for carrier sense - netlink, and ethtool |
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| 08:01.50 | musya_ | ah,ok |
| 08:01.51 | xingu | tarzeau: and some are supported for some drivers. :) |
| 08:01.56 | xingu | tarzeau: it's a minefield |
| 08:02.08 | musya_ | how are primary and logical partitions different? |
| 08:02.10 | tarzeau | xingu: i see |
| 08:02.27 | xingu | tarzeau: it took rhat years to get it right with pump |
| 08:02.29 | tarzeau | musya_: did you read the install manual of debian? |
| 08:02.42 | tarzeau | xingu: heh and now nobody is using pump anymore |
| 08:02.45 | xingu | tarzeau: and that was after maintaining out-of-tree nic driver patches |
| 08:02.55 | tarzeau | xingu: but you know what's best? Linux mips 2.6.20-1-r4k-ip22 #1 Tue Apr 24 23:33:09 UTC 2007 mips64 GNU/Linux |
| 08:02.58 | xingu | tarzeau: yes exactly; so time to reinvent the wheel all over |
| 08:03.01 | musya_ | mope |
| 08:03.07 | musya_ | nope* |
| 08:03.09 | xingu | tarzeau: nice, that's your indigo2? |
| 08:03.17 | tarzeau | xingu: yep, and it plays music too |
| 08:03.21 | xingu | heh |
| 08:03.33 | tarzeau | xingu: madplay makes only noise though, gotta report that |
| 08:03.49 | xingu | tarzeau: I had mips64 on an indy way back when, it was useless - no peripheral support at all |
| 08:04.13 | tarzeau | xingu: i've got one of the indigo2 with no graphic card support (too new, 3d shit) |
| 08:04.19 | xingu | tarzeau: I think the scsi driver worked and the mmu etc but apart from that it put the bare right into bare bones |
| 08:04.26 | tarzeau | xingu: but i'm going to try some stuff on my o2 r10000 again |
| 08:04.34 | xingu | tarzeau: hey, there's nothing shit about extreme graphics |
| 08:04.47 | tarzeau | xingu: doesn't work w/ linux :( |
| 08:04.53 | xingu | tarzeau: you want to get with the irix6.x love on that baby |
| 08:05.00 | tarzeau | xingu: please |
| 08:05.11 | xingu | tarzeau: but but but it's ... open irix! |
| 08:05.20 | tarzeau | xingu: with all the sources? |
| 08:05.42 | xingu | tarzeau: all the gpl bits anyway ;) they even shipped gcc headers... |
| 08:05.56 | tarzeau | xingu: nah thanks, i like the linux on it |
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| 08:06.03 | xingu | tarzeau: what a novelty, being able to compile without paying a license fee |
| 08:06.05 | tarzeau | xingu: likewise with my sparcs and alphas, and powerpc |
| 08:06.51 | xingu | tarzeau: must give linux sparc another shot some time, it ran slower than liquid poo on a dual hypersparc ss20 when I last looked |
| 08:07.04 | xingu | tarzeau: was actually faster with one cpu fitted |
| 08:07.09 | tarzeau | xingu: oh ss20? rip out one cpu, and install OPENSTEP on it! it'll fly |
| 08:07.18 | en1gma | hey all i just did a net-install without "Desktop" and i changed my repositories to sid. what im wondering is when i do 'apt-get install kdebase' does it grab everything i need for X? |
| 08:07.19 | tarzeau | xingu: OPENSTEP rocks on those boxes |
| 08:07.30 | xingu | tarzeau: sunos4.1.3 flies on those boxes. :) |
| 08:07.37 | tarzeau | xingu: bah! sunos is crap :) |
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| 08:07.49 | tarzeau | oooooold |
| 08:07.56 | xingu | tarzeau: all the sunos drivers are optimised to fit along cachelines in the top half. |
| 08:08.22 | xingu | tarzeau: sunos is the only thing that can 19k2 serial on that hardware and not die with dropped characters. |
| 08:08.28 | tarzeau | xingu: http://www.noodlesoft.com/blog/2007/01/23/the-sun-also-sets/ |
| 08:08.42 | tarzeau | xingu: man use the local video and keyboard? |
| 08:08.59 | xingu | tarzeau: yes. :) |
| 08:09.14 | tarzeau | anything over serial port is slow! |
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| 08:09.34 | xingu | tarzeau: especially when it's discarding like buggery because the top half of the serial isr can't keep up ;) |
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| 08:10.32 | xingu | tarzeau: actually the best misfeature I've ever seen was sol2.3 on a 6/90; same problem, but for the bit-banger 10base ethernet interface; if your segment had a high broadcast rate, the little fuckers would panic |
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| 08:10.47 | xingu | tarzeau: funnier still, if the *console* was too busy with character io, it'd drop packets. :) |
| 08:11.32 | tarzeau | eek |
| 08:11.39 | en1gma | when i installed the net-install-cd why is it making a /dev/hda2 Extended partition....i chose to have only 1 partition and everything in it...swap = /dev/hda5 and / = dev/hda1 |
| 08:11.45 | en1gma | so what is /dev/hda2 for |
| 08:11.57 | tarzeau | en1gma: debian installer, do it yourself, manually |
| 08:12.09 | en1gma | omg are you serious? |
| 08:12.11 | tarzeau | en1gma: i'd just use a swapfile, not waste a part on it |
| 08:12.13 | en1gma | its messed up? |
| 08:12.17 | tarzeau | en1gma: yez!!1 |
| 08:12.23 | en1gma | thanks didnt know that |
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| 08:15.19 | xingu | tarzeau: never mind, I'm sure ooo will save the day ;) |
| 08:15.39 | xingu | tarzeau: ooofc has a nice ring to it |
| 08:15.52 | scx | is it there some way to check how much wats the computer uses in an specific moment? |
| 08:16.01 | tarzeau | xingu: have you played sauerbraten yet? i'll go nethacking again |
| 08:16.11 | tarzeau | scx: measure it? |
| 08:16.49 | scx | tarzeau: yes, I want to calculate how much energy the computer would use if left on for 1mnth |
| 08:17.05 | xingu | tarzeau: briefly, nice candy but I suck at that sort of thing. :) |
| 08:17.13 | scx | tarzeau: left for a single server use |
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| 08:17.32 | tarzeau | scx: well you can measure it, there are devices |
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| 08:18.21 | diepes | tarzeau: On a laptop the battery should give you a reading |
| 08:19.08 | RichiH | how do i force apt-get to install stuff even though there are some broken deps still pending? |
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| 08:19.16 | RichiH | or do i revert to dpkg? |
| 08:19.39 | tarzeau | RichiH: dpkg -i --force-all can do it |
| 08:19.56 | nvz | I usually hack the *inst scripts until everything goes well.. heh |
| 08:19.58 | dondelelcaro | RichiH: best to fix the dependencies |
| 08:20.34 | sleehood | I'm having trouble getting my cd drive to cooperate with Etch and Linux 2.6, if you have the time I |
| 08:20.46 | sleehood | 'd appreciate you having a look at http://putnote.net/247 |
| 08:20.51 | sleehood | sorry hit enter by accident |
| 08:20.56 | en1gma | hey all i have a good Q...i have an 80gig hd and i want to setup a "/storage" partition what is the most i can set it to but still be ok with the / partition for fure upgrades etc... |
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| 08:21.19 | RichiH | dondelelcaro: openoffice has a few packages that are simply not in sid |
| 08:21.42 | xingu | sleehood: does your notebook bios have an option for "ahci"? |
| 08:21.50 | dondelelcaro | RichiH: oh; that's why you use aptitude, not apt-get |
| 08:22.19 | dondelelcaro | RichiH: in any event, I'd either downgrade those packages temporarily, or just use dpkg to install the specific package you want |
| 08:22.32 | RichiH | dondelelcaro: arr |
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| 08:23.09 | RichiH | dondelelcaro: hmm, you are saying aptitude would have prevented this situation? |
| 08:23.09 | xingu | sleehood: forget that; that's one old notebook |
| 08:23.20 | dondelelcaro | RichiH: yes |
| 08:23.24 | xingu | anyone know if sleehood is going to have etch installer problems with 32M of DRAM? |
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| 08:23.29 | RichiH | hrm |
| 08:23.33 | dondelelcaro | RichiH: because it would have known that those packages couldn't be completely installed, so wouldn't bother to upgrade them |
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| 08:24.11 | RichiH | aptitude has a compability mode so it behaves like apt-get, nay? |
| 08:24.12 | sleehood | xingu: I took a look anyway and it doesn't look like it. |
| 08:24.20 | sleehood | xingu: It sure is :) |
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| 08:24.39 | dondelelcaro | RichiH: yes, without the braindead features of dist-upgrade |
| 08:24.47 | xingu | sleehood: ok, so I hate to say this but if bandwidth is not an issue get/burn a knoppix cd and see if that works first. |
| 08:24.49 | sleehood | xingu: RAM it upgrades to 128 |
| 08:25.55 | xingu | sleehood: no reason I can think of that the etch installer should die after loading ide stuff on that hardware; lspci -v output after booting a knoppix cd might be useful. |
| 08:26.01 | sleehood | xingu: Yah, I suppose I could get that a try. Is there a lightweight Knoppix that you know of off hand? |
| 08:26.09 | xingu | sleehood: at least that would tell you what the ide controller was |
| 08:26.15 | RichiH | hmm, apitude suggests a solution which would install about four screens full of new packages (and no, not eith one package per line) |
| 08:26.18 | xingu | sleehood: there's only one knoppix I know of :) |
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| 08:26.45 | sleehood | xingu: Then that's a :( no a :). :) |
| 08:27.05 | sleehood | xingu: I'll give that a try, thanks |
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| 08:30.30 | xingu | tarzeau: saurbraten - is there an easy way I can get it to scale the screen to 1680x1050? I got no problem running a lower res, but this letterboxing is doing my nut here |
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| 08:31.00 | tarzeau | xingu: no idea, well yes it allows setting x,y using parameters, try -h and -w |
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| 08:31.10 | tarzeau | the mkanpage has details |
| 08:31.21 | tarzeau | xingu: let me join :) we'll do some fragging |
| 08:31.33 | xingu | tarzeau: heh, just running this standalone |
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| 08:31.45 | xingu | tarzeau: I'm to embarrassing to be let out in public |
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| 08:33.46 | crashlab | Hi |
| 08:33.51 | crashlab | I have a problem on my debian |
| 08:34.30 | cydork | !ask |
| 08:34.30 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 08:36.15 | crashlab | I would set a default owner for a directory, so, when user:mark write a file or dir inside this dir, the file owner will not mark but other wich i set in dir |
| 08:37.06 | tarzeau | xingu: join www.pornstars.eu server already |
| 08:37.08 | bintut | how can i set the tx-power of my wlan0 in my /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 08:37.08 | dondelelcaro | crashlab: that can't be done, for obvious reasons |
| 08:37.38 | dondelelcaro | crashlab: you can however, have both users belong to the same group so that either user can write to the file |
| 08:38.30 | dondelelcaro | bintut: using wireless-txpower et al. if your wireless card supports it |
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| 08:40.07 | bintut | dondelelcaro: i'm using an atheros ar5005g pcmcia card and madwifi driver |
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| 08:42.14 | ale666 | how to less dpkg --configure -a? |
| 08:43.20 | dondelelcaro | ale666: dpkg --configure -a |less |
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| 08:45.13 | ale666 | dondelelcaro: does not work |
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| 08:45.31 | AndyMcGee | Hi |
| 08:45.43 | nvz | should have got a mexican, they always work |
| 08:45.46 | ale666 | dondelelcaro: i can't pipe the output for some reasons |
| 08:46.05 | nvz | AndyMcGee: not yet, but I'm working on it |
| 08:46.49 | AndyMcGee | I would like to track what processes are accessing a ceratin file over a extendend period of time. How could it be done? |
| 08:46.58 | ale666 | dondelelcaro: try it |
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| 08:48.25 | cydork | hey guys any one interesting in this ? http://cydork.mine.nu/~vihang/debgoogle.png |
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| 08:48.58 | cydork | ale666: if it doesn't work it's not using stdout. |
| 08:49.06 | tarzeau | cydork: yes? |
| 08:49.19 | cydork | tarzeau: want to subscribe? |
| 08:49.23 | tarzeau | cydork: yes? |
| 08:49.38 | ale666 | cydork: how to pipe sterr |
| 08:49.52 | cydork | tarzeau: have google account? http://www.google.com/coop/trust/add?user=015912627600467961994&sig=__xUqVv-PY347VF6069J8apZsvyXc= |
| 08:50.07 | cydork | ale666: add 2>&1 |
| 08:50.30 | tarzeau | cydork: nah don't like that |
| 08:51.25 | cydork | tarzeau: bahh the thing is you need to have google account for that or you can use http://cydork.mine.nu/~vihang/dpkg/debian.html :P |
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| 08:51.42 | ale666 | cydork: ok works thx |
| 08:51.48 | _paco_ | why apt-get install xserver doesnt install the xfonts ???? |
| 08:51.59 | tarzeau | _paco_: why should it? |
| 08:52.09 | en1gma | im doing the netinstall and deselected "Desktop" what do i need to put at command prompt 'apt-get install kdebase' and still have X |
| 08:52.10 | _paco_ | ooh tarzeau mon ami |
| 08:52.23 | en1gma | do i need to apt-get X or will the apt-get install kdebase do it for me |
| 08:52.50 | cydork | en1gma: kdebase should pull in xorg .. |
| 08:52.58 | en1gma | ok thats what i was hoping |
| 08:53.01 | en1gma | thanks |
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| 08:53.05 | mesut | #debian.tr |
| 08:53.12 | mesut | doh |
| 08:54.43 | bintut | how can i set my card to tx-power 13dBm? |
| 08:55.03 | en1gma | i changed my repos to sid main contrib non-free and then did the 'apt-get update' and then i did 'apt-get dist-upgrade' and then did 'apt-get install kdebase' and i get errors |
| 08:55.19 | tarzeau | en1gma: that's normal for such large meta packages |
| 08:55.25 | cydork | en1gma: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 08:55.26 | tarzeau | en1gma: now you've gotta fix it |
| 08:55.32 | en1gma | oh nooo |
| 08:55.35 | en1gma | no one told me that |
| 08:55.42 | cydork | en1gma: you never asked :) |
| 08:55.47 | en1gma | i asked earlier and they said it would be easy |
| 08:55.51 | ale666 | when running dpkg --configure -a, i get this error: http://dpaste.com/10637/, what should i do? Thank you. |
| 08:56.05 | en1gma | this isnt for me its for a guy that ran windows all his life :) |
| 08:56.08 | cydork | en1gma: who ever said that is a moron! |
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| 08:57.07 | cydork | ale666: how did you get here? |
| 08:57.13 | bintut | dondelelcaro: what value shall i put after the "wireless-txpower"? is it the dBm or mw? |
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| 08:57.56 | ale666 | i added some sources to /etc/apt/source_list |
| 08:58.03 | ale666 | i think some instable stuff |
| 08:58.32 | tarzeau | cydork: 10:58 [gnu] CTCP VERSION reply from ale666: mIRC v6.2 Khaled Mardam-Bey |
| 08:58.39 | _paco_ | hohho |
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| 08:59.06 | cydork | tarzeau: eww mIRC! |
| 08:59.16 | tarzeau | cydork: not like gaim is any better |
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| 08:59.17 | _paco_ | on wine |
| 08:59.19 | _paco_ | ahahahhhah |
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| 08:59.42 | scx | damn it, does anybody know a mouse able to resist a nuclear bomb? |
| 08:59.48 | cydork | tarzeau: gaim sucks too.. for irc at least. |
| 08:59.53 | scx | this is the 7th mouse this year |
| 09:00.02 | cydork | scx: you have a cat? |
| 09:00.06 | tarzeau | scx: photos? what do you do to it? |
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| 09:00.19 | kreeg | Hello |
| 09:00.27 | _paco_ | scx, logitech mx518 best ever |
| 09:00.30 | kreeg | ah |
| 09:00.37 | dondelelcaro | bintut: the same value you'd use when you called iwconfig wlan0 txpower |
| 09:00.40 | scx | *puss puss puss |
| 09:00.50 | dondelelcaro | bintut: that's all that the wireless-txpower does anyway |
| 09:01.13 | kreeg | I tried to install my graphic card's drivers |
| 09:01.21 | kreeg | it's a nvidia |
| 09:01.29 | tarzeau | kreeg: the binaries? |
| 09:01.38 | kreeg | tarzeau: no |
| 09:01.46 | kreeg | tarzeau: i mean yes |
| 09:01.54 | tarzeau | kreeg: xorg? have you had xfree before? which version? |
| 09:01.58 | kreeg | but they came with a script |
| 09:02.15 | kreeg | tarzeau: yes I haf |
| 09:02.18 | kreeg | -f +d |
| 09:02.22 | cydork | ale666: well first of all your python problems exist because python2.4-minimal is missing. also /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 09:02.25 | kreeg | it is the latest version |
| 09:02.26 | themolester | in a system with a bad hardware design (all similar hardware) and multiple identical hd interface cards, and multiple same model hdds, what is the best way to determine the physical location a failed hdd is connected to |
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| 09:02.50 | kreeg | i don't know wich one |
| 09:02.54 | kreeg | +h |
| 09:03.04 | kreeg | they came with an install script |
| 09:03.21 | kreeg | and when I launch it, it asks me to download a Linux kernel |
| 09:03.24 | xingu | themolester: read the serial number from the stickers you've stuck to the front of their sleds. :) |
| 09:03.35 | themolester | i am helping a friend who has dozens of hard drives, and a half dozen interface cards diagnose a failing hdd, i know it pulls up as /dev/sdk but i do not know how to tell him something usefull, like "the third pci from the bottom of the case, port 2" or something |
| 09:03.53 | themolester | heh... that would be a smart idea xingu... |
| 09:04.11 | kreeg | irssi's too small >.< |
| 09:04.17 | themolester | alas... he did not think that far ahead, also i dont bellieve he uses cartridges, all internal |
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| 09:04.39 | kreeg | so tarzeau, could you help me ? |
| 09:04.55 | themolester | is there another way, perhaps much more difficult? |
| 09:04.55 | tarzeau | kreeg: no |
| 09:05.12 | kreeg | ok, thank you ^^ |
| 09:05.15 | kreeg | Bye ! |
| 09:05.29 | themolester | this guy has been having severe hdd errors for months, crashing his system, and we've yet to figure out which drive it is |
| 09:05.46 | xingu | themolester: no; some of the better storage arrays light the replace light over the slot when you spin down a disk |
| 09:05.46 | themolester | i can narrow off some of his drives that i know it cant be... |
| 09:05.58 | xingu | themolester: you get exactly what you pay for |
| 09:06.06 | themolester | xingu heh... thats what i told him |
| 09:06.07 | themolester | :) |
| 09:06.26 | themolester | if i had my way he would have bought a 16 port raid card |
| 09:06.31 | themolester | and i'd say... pull port x |
| 09:06.33 | themolester | heh |
| 09:06.51 | xingu | themolester: and what he's not paid for, is something that's going to make this less painful; schedule 1/2hr or so downtime so that you can catalogue the disks in terms of serial # and stick stickers on |
| 09:07.26 | Zap-W | i found a package which is incomplete |
| 09:07.40 | AntiInit | help md: ... autorun DONE.; EXT3-fs: unable to read superblock VFS:; Cannot open root device "901" or unknown-block(9,1); panic 2.6.20. have md compiled in. working boot displays "md: md driver 0.90.3 MAX_MD_DEVS=256," Any idea why i am missing the md driver? |
| 09:07.40 | Zap-W | nfsbooted 0.0.14 Prepares your image for nfs boot |
| 09:07.51 | themolester | would it not be possible to use various sources in /proc to find out the pci slot the card is in? then ask the driver which port of that card it is on? |
| 09:07.52 | cydork | Zap-W: file a bug? checkd bts? |
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| 09:08.46 | xingu | themolester: it'll take you less time to catalogue serial numbers and marry them to block devices (via /dev/disk/by-id) than trace cables |
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| 09:10.31 | themolester | hrmm |
| 09:11.40 | AntiInit | im sure its the new 2.6.20 kernel. Ive had nothing but problems when booting from it. I wonder if i need an inird image? I dont need one for 2.6.16 though |
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| 09:14.23 | Shadda | hmm, If I want xvid codec support, what package should I be looking for? |
| 09:14.40 | Shadda | all I can see to find is avifile-xvid-plugin, but as far as I can tell that's not right |
| 09:15.06 | Trewas | Shadda: support for playing or encoding? |
| 09:15.10 | Shadda | encoding |
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| 09:15.51 | Zap-W | what's the difference between /proc/mounts and /etc/mtab |
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| 09:16.28 | m4ggus | cd |
| 09:16.32 | m4ggus | args :< |
| 09:16.42 | Trewas | Shadda: mencoder package claims to have xvid encoding support (mencoder -ovc help) |
| 09:16.45 | xingu | Zap-W: the former is the kernel's view, the latter is userspace. |
| 09:16.53 | musya_ | i installed kde debian |
| 09:17.09 | xingu | Zap-W: they're both important, don't symlink the latter to the former. |
| 09:17.10 | musya_ | is there a way to uninstall kde after i install gnome? |
| 09:17.21 | Guerin | musya_: /msg dpkg remove kds |
| 09:17.22 | Zap-W | xingu, why not? |
| 09:17.23 | Shadda | Trewas hmm I have mencoder installed (part of mplayer) and it runs off of ffmpeg, however I'm using ffmpeg specifically for this project |
| 09:17.23 | Guerin | musya_: /msg dpkg remove kde |
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| 09:17.27 | Shadda | and ffmpeg can't find xvid |
| 09:17.54 | xingu | Zap-W: because the former is the kernel's view and the latter is userspace's. |
| 09:17.54 | mesut | why does apt-get install fluxbox _not_ install all deps of X (including base fonts) ? |
| 09:18.07 | Trewas | Shadda: hmm actually my mencoder is self-compiled, debian package don't have it |
| 09:18.18 | Shadda | So is mine :) |
| 09:18.35 | Zap-W | xingu, but they look the same |
| 09:18.36 | musya_ | Guerin and that will remove all of the software too?: |
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| 09:18.43 | musya_ | like konqueror and etc.... |
| 09:19.00 | Arafangion | mesut: Because you might not really want them. |
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| 09:19.18 | mesut | but without them, X wont work |
| 09:19.25 | Arafangion | mesut: There are several x11 servers you may have wanted, and you might not have wanted all the stuff anyway. |
| 09:19.26 | ale666 | cydork: thank you :) |
| 09:19.26 | mesut | neither fluxbox |
| 09:19.26 | Guerin | musya_: all of the kde software, yes. |
| 09:19.36 | AntiInit | maybe udev?? |
| 09:19.44 | Arafangion | mesut: Debian is not /only/ used as a desktop, you know :) |
| 09:19.56 | musya_ | Guerin ok thanks |
| 09:19.58 | xingu | Zap-W: appearances can be deceptive; appearance at some instant t is not the set of all appearances across the continuum 0<t<max_t |
| 09:19.59 | Arafangion | mesut: Sometimes it's used as a server, and sometimes as an extremely limited, cut-down server. |
| 09:20.05 | mesut | Arafangion, yes but,if you install fluxbox,its obvious you want a working X |
| 09:20.08 | Trewas | Shadda: I think xvid things are autodetected by mplayer's ./configure if they are installed |
| 09:20.15 | Arafangion | mesut: Yes, but which one? |
| 09:20.16 | musya_ | anyway GNight guys |
| 09:20.28 | Shadda | Trewas problem is, mplayer is useless to me at this point :/ |
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| 09:21.10 | Zap-W | xingu, well i have a problem , i am using NFSboot and all clients update the same /etc/mtab file on the nfs root image |
| 09:21.18 | Trewas | Shadda: well it compiles both mplayer and mencoder, xvid support is not needed in a player anyway |
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| 09:22.18 | xingu | Zap-W: so either use mount -n, or, ensure that the storage is (a) per-client and (b) volatile |
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| 09:22.45 | bintut_ | how can i check how fast/slow is my connection from my laptop to a linux access point? or from my linux access point, how can i optimize it? |
| 09:23.29 | kth`` | Intel's site says on ipw3945 page; "promiscuous mode found in version blah and blah and later prevents network bridge connections from functioning", does that mean I won't be able to set up a bridge with ethernet using this chip? It also says 'software' and not mentioning hardware, is there a possibility ipw3945 driver supports that feature even though intel's driver doesn't? Or does the firmware prevent that? |
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| 09:23.52 | xingu | Zap-W: you might for instance consider unpacking etc to a tmpfs - or - making the possibly incorrect assumption that mount(1) never unlinks mtab, and turning it into a symlink again to a file on a tmpfs. |
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| 09:25.09 | Zap-W | xingu, you suggest making /etc/mtab a symbolic link to a mounted ramfs ? |
| 09:25.30 | xingu | kth``: do you mean wds, or, 802.1d ? |
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| 09:25.58 | kth`` | xingu, give me a sec to google on both and I'll tell :P |
| 09:25.59 | xingu | Zap-W: tmpfs; it might work - iff mount(1)/umount(1) never unlink /etc/mtab |
| 09:26.11 | konstad | trying to set up webmail hosting. using squirrelmail and courier-imap. squirrelmail seems alright. the login screen appears. am lost in trying to set up the imap server. anyone done this before? |
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| 09:26.26 | kth`` | xingu, 802.1d |
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| 09:26.42 | Zap-W | xingu, what's the difference between tmfs and ramfs? |
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| 09:27.32 | konstad | i am not even sure how to start courier-imap. it is in /etc/init.d. but there's no process of this name when i check with 'ps -e'/ |
| 09:27.41 | xingu | kth``: afaik ipw3945 driver does not support host-ap mode; and most current accesspoints mac-filter such that a given managed mode association will only pass traffic to/from the associated 802.11 mac address. |
| 09:27.41 | Steven_M | anyone here use shorewall |
| 09:28.10 | xingu | kth``: so running 802.1d over 802.11 is unlikely to succeed driver bugs/features/constraints or no |
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| 09:29.44 | xingu | kth``: linux's {ether,arp}tables can rewrite mac addresses on the way through (transparent bridging/ mac hiding) though; and linux's 802.1d is a layer on top of datalink in any case. |
| 09:29.55 | kth`` | xingu, ah i see... So my best solution for getting is some kind of vpn/masquerading then? Or have I missed something? |
| 09:30.05 | xingu | kth``: ie, bridge-utils and 802.1d are independant of media - providing - the media supports etherlike encaps. |
| 09:30.25 | xingu | kth``: route where you can, someone once said, and bridge where you must |
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| 09:31.36 | RichiH | hmm |
| 09:31.38 | xingu | kth``: bridging from wired to wireless media will give you headaches in terms of end to end path dead detection - and rerouting/ restaging times will suffer accordingly unless you reimplement oam. |
| 09:32.04 | xingu | kth``: and even if you reimplement oam, you'll get oddball beating effects if a link flaps |
| 09:32.12 | xingu | ... persistently. |
| 09:32.53 | kth`` | xingu, ok, you've lost me on the oam, I'll try routing first ;P |
| 09:33.04 | RichiH | while baking my own is rather trivial, it would still be nice to have the option of just grabbing it from the repos |
| 09:33.20 | xingu | kth``: oam is how atm solves the same problems at the virtual circuit (ie, not segment) level. |
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| 09:33.55 | xingu | kth``: the problem definition is - how does the transport signal to an end node that some path in the circuit is dead or unstable |
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| 09:34.35 | xingu | kth``: if the transport /cannot/ propagate this information up-stack you will end up with a black hole. |
| 09:35.16 | xingu | kth``: if you stick to routed designs, routing deconverges (eventually) over dead paths, and a peer will no longer select them (no next-hop via the dead path) |
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| 09:35.59 | kth`` | The grand idea is to have stuff going from the laptop(that is, regular apps, bluetooth pan interfaces, qemu taps and other stuff to go either to lan or wlan interfaces, whichever has exit to the internet, or rather has a default gateway. routing with masquerading seems a bit complex for this... But now bridging is even more complex :P |
| 09:36.01 | xingu | kth``: /some/ routing protocols can deal with repeat deconvergence (unstable paths) too; peer dampening. |
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| 09:36.47 | xingu | kth``: do you not think that a better fit to your problem statement is having your peer routers advertise your default gateway, and, learning this on the client end? |
| 09:36.57 | friis | Hi, can anyone tell me if the ssh client is included in the minimal install cd. I need it to access the internet from my college. |
| 09:37.56 | wols_ | friis: no |
| 09:38.27 | kth`` | xingu, I gotta run now, thanks for the food for thought, I may have to bug you later to grokk some of this :P |
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| 09:47.41 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 09:47.41 | dpkg | well, qotd121 is <amorphix> bunzip2: linuxwacom-0.6.8.tar.bz2 is not a bzip2 file <cahoot> amorphix: run 'file linuxwacom-0.6.8.tar.bz2 ' <amorphix> linuxwacom-0.6.8.tar.bz2: HTML document text <liable> you idget <amorphix> liable: I dont have idget <amorphix> is the name right? |
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| 09:52.12 | Fly-man- | Goodday all |
| 09:52.27 | Fly-man- | how do I mount a remote machine to a directory ? |
| 09:52.52 | liable | sshfs? |
| 09:53.23 | Fly-man- | sshfs ? |
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| 09:53.38 | Fly-man- | command does not exist ? |
| 09:53.42 | liable | go look it up |
| 09:53.46 | liable | !installit |
| 09:53.46 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
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| 09:53.52 | Przemcio78 | :) |
| 09:54.14 | liable | !sshfs |
| 09:54.15 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sshfs is sshfs-fuse, or not shfs, or a nifty way to securely mount remote resources (without NFS / Samba). Homepage is at <http://fuse.sourceforge.net/sshfs.html>, FAQ is at <http://fuse.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/SshfsFaq>. (remember to compile/load 'fuse' module and add yourself to the 'fuse' group) |
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| 09:55.03 | ale666 | hey |
| 09:56.21 | Fly-man- | Any other ideas ? |
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| 09:56.31 | Fly-man- | SSHFS: remote host has disconnected |
| 09:56.54 | Fly-man- | but remote host has the same user that is connected |
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| 09:59.07 | Fly-man- | O, found it :D |
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| 09:59.18 | Fly-man- | Machine wasn't recognisez :D |
| 09:59.20 | Fly-man- | Thanx |
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| 09:59.42 | dimir | Moin! |
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| 10:05.10 | textqq | how to install jdk5.0? |
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| 10:06.15 | textqq | i have download the java-jdk5.0 ,but i don't know how to install it? |
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| 10:11.48 | ichdasich | hi. |
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| 10:13.00 | ichdasich | i set up a printserver using etch. |
| 10:13.23 | ichdasich | cups seems to work, and i can print some testpages, using the cups-interface. |
| 10:13.59 | ichdasich | but if i try to print with vim (:hardcopy) it says E365: Failed to print PostScript file |
| 10:14.07 | ichdasich | which package might be missing? |
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| 10:21.41 | cydork | textqq: /msg dpkg install java Or if you already have the bin file /msg dpkg java-package |
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| 10:24.06 | davi_ | What package to install firefox? |
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| 10:24.19 | ichdasich | davi_: iceweasel ? |
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| 10:24.37 | davi_ | thanks ichdasich |
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| 10:27.18 | christianp | hi all |
| 10:27.41 | christianp | does anyone have ever installed acroread on etch AMD64? I have a lot of problems |
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| 10:28.40 | christianp | i try installing it with --force.-architecture parameter, but it starts with fonts problems... i can't read anything except images... all the chars are blank squares :( |
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| 10:41.01 | liable | christianp: xpdf is not up to the task? |
| 10:41.43 | christianp | liable: i have problems with the printers: i can't choose the correct printer |
| 10:42.10 | liable | christianp: in xpdf? |
| 10:42.15 | christianp | yes |
| 10:42.25 | liable | christianp: but other apps can use it? |
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| 10:43.41 | textqq | how to install jdk6 in debian way |
| 10:44.13 | textqq | i use make-jpkg,bu |
| 10:44.13 | textqq | t it says no match plugins |
| 10:48.11 | MoDaX | christianp: use kpdf or evince |
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| 10:48.33 | christianp | MoDaX: evince doesn't render the page exactly :( |
| 10:49.19 | MoDaX | christianp: gpdf? |
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| 10:50.19 | AntiInit | can i just enable kvm in the kernel, modprobe kvm and then use qemu? |
| 10:50.31 | AntiInit | or do i need a patched qemu? I dont have the mm patch yet, is it worth having? |
| 10:50.31 | gsnedders | I'm thinking of moving from a year old Gentoo install to Etch, but among other things, I have a RAID5 (software) as /home. What's the best way to move that across? |
| 10:51.10 | MoDaX | AntiInit: do you have processor supported by kvm? |
| 10:51.45 | MoDaX | AntiInit: or are you confusing kqemu with kvm? |
| 10:52.29 | AntiInit | no, i have amd64 with svm |
| 10:52.29 | xingu | AntiInit: the debian kvm userspace tracks the debian kvm-source kernel module; just use m-a to build it. |
| 10:52.58 | AntiInit | just compiled new kernel and enabled kvm support for amd |
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| 10:53.51 | AntiInit | ive downloaded the kvm source and compiled and inmodded it |
| 10:54.00 | twisted` | ey, I added a disk to my raid, expanded the volume, but now need to "grow" my xfs partition. the GPT is already updated, but xfs_growfs -d /dev/sda1 doesn't do much... |
| 10:54.07 | AntiInit | and i have compiled qemu-64 |
| 10:54.39 | MoDaX | AntiInit: aptitude install kvm |
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| 10:55.00 | AntiInit | but I want to use the sources |
| 10:55.13 | AntiInit | is this an option? |
| 10:55.19 | MoDaX | AntiInit: kvm has a userspace component |
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| 10:55.49 | AntiInit | yeah, how to i make the userspace component my self? where do i get it? |
| 10:56.19 | xingu | AntiInit: http://kvm.qumranet.com/kvmwiki |
| 10:56.45 | AntiInit | tx |
| 10:58.23 | war | twisted`: Ive used grwofs before for xfs |
| 10:58.26 | war | twisted`: worked fine |
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| 10:58.30 | war | twisted`: need some help? |
| 10:58.32 | war | twisted`: is the partition mounted? |
| 10:58.50 | war | twisted`: sir? |
| 10:59.02 | AntiInit | had it installed all along... |
| 10:59.41 | twisted` | war: yeah |
| 10:59.57 | twisted` | war: well, the raid volume has 500gb of free space now |
| 11:00.07 | twisted` | and I'd like to add that to my xfs partition |
| 11:00.12 | war | twisted`: excellent |
| 11:00.16 | war | twisted`: the way it works is like this |
| 11:00.21 | war | twisted`: mount /dev/sda1 /some_mount |
| 11:00.22 | twisted` | but, running xfs_growfs on /data doesn't do anything |
| 11:00.28 | war | twisted`: xfs_growfs /some_mount |
| 11:00.31 | war | twisted`: df -h |
| 11:00.41 | twisted` | war: /dev/sda1 2.3T 241G 2.1T 11% /data |
| 11:00.56 | war | does fdisk -l /dev/sda show the bigger partition? |
| 11:01.02 | war | er, the bigger disk |
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| 11:01.14 | twisted` | can't use fdisk |
| 11:01.19 | twisted` | use parted :) |
| 11:01.46 | twisted` | and yeah, parted shows that the total capacity is now 3000GB |
| 11:01.49 | war | twisted`: parted fine as well |
| 11:01.53 | war | twisted`: hmm |
| 11:02.00 | war | twisted`: kernel/xfsprogs version? |
| 11:02.06 | twisted` | and only 2500GB is xfs |
| 11:02.11 | war | # xfs_growfs -V |
| 11:02.11 | war | xfs_growfs version 2.8.18 |
| 11:02.28 | twisted` | xfs_growfs version 2.8.18 |
| 11:02.47 | war | impressive, OK |
| 11:02.55 | war | what happens when you run: "xfs_growfs /data" |
| 11:03.06 | twisted` | wait phonecall |
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| 11:03.17 | war | :o |
| 11:03.29 | twisted` | k, uh, let me pastebin that |
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| 11:04.10 | war | twisted`: k |
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| 11:04.22 | twisted` | war: http://pastebin.ca/496643 |
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| 11:05.04 | war | k |
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| 11:05.29 | war | it did not say anything after that ? |
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| 11:05.57 | war | twisted`: it should look like this http://pastebin.ca/496645 |
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| 11:06.37 | war | twisted`: if you are using a HW raid, it might not 'know' about the space |
| 11:06.46 | war | twisted`: try xfs_growfs witht he -d option |
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| 11:06.51 | AntiInit | woah, same speed as normal host. kvm rules |
| 11:06.53 | war | with the -d option |
| 11:07.14 | tls_81 | Good morning(GMT) |
| 11:07.29 | AntiInit | how much difference does the mm patch make ? |
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| 11:08.36 | war | twisted`: you will need to use the total number of newer blocks or total blocks |
| 11:08.39 | war | twisted`: with the -d option |
| 11:08.43 | war | twisted`: if using HW raid I believe |
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| 11:09.17 | war | twisted`: make sense? |
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| 11:10.19 | twisted` | war: well how can I find out the total blocks? |
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| 11:11.00 | twisted` | war: SCSI device sda: 5859373056 512-byte hdwr sectors (2999999 MB) |
| 11:11.33 | war | 5859373056 |
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| 11:11.40 | twisted` | war: well, that sucks |
| 11:11.46 | microtux | anyone knows software for project management? web based if possible? |
| 11:11.48 | twisted` | data size 5859373056 too large, maximum is 610351351 |
| 11:12.02 | war | hmm |
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| 11:12.12 | war | twisted`: do me a favor? |
| 11:12.16 | twisted` | war: yep? |
| 11:12.22 | war | twisted`: send this report to xfs@oss.sgi.com |
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| 11:12.38 | twisted` | war: man... I need to get it done... like now :P |
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| 11:13.00 | war | twisted`: send it out (now) and if you don't have any luck, you will get a response hopefully by one of the xfs guys (at sme point) |
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| 11:13.10 | war | twisted`: hrm still strange though |
| 11:13.11 | war | twisted`: b/c.. |
| 11:13.18 | war | twisted`: I used sw raid but I grew mine from 1.8 to 3.3tb |
| 11:13.36 | war | twisted`: what kind of hardware raid? |
| 11:13.39 | Riga | no |
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| 11:14.15 | twisted` | war: wow, wait, I just see some weird errors |
| 11:14.19 | twisted` | which I thought parted fixed |
| 11:14.20 | microtux | no body? |
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| 11:14.34 | war | twisted`: k, pls paste them as well |
| 11:14.44 | MarcoPau | hello there. I have successfully installed my wireless card with ndiswrapper. the wlan0 is there, and there's signal, but the ap is not associated and therefore I can't get bound to the router. what should I do? |
| 11:14.48 | war | twisted`: because I am obsessed w/raid devices and would like to know all types of errors ;) |
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| 11:16.06 | Zap-W | is pam the right place for running a script everytime someone logins via gdm |
| 11:16.06 | twisted` | war: http://pastebin.ca/496651 |
| 11:16.15 | twisted` | war: kewl |
| 11:16.25 | twisted` | war: well now it's raid5 and if "growing" works |
| 11:16.30 | twisted` | it'll become raid6 |
| 11:16.53 | war | twisted`: a |
| 11:16.55 | war | twisted`: ah |
| 11:17.06 | war | twisted`: what type of HW? |
| 11:17.08 | war | twisted`: and hDds? |
| 11:17.09 | raphi | sep: btw, yesterday it worked fine with the rsync. THX |
| 11:17.15 | chemaja | umm... so LVM + crypto on Etch netinst: debian-installer decided to timeout and reboot before i could enter my crypto passphrase for my partition(s) -- is this some crazy default? i'm sure d-i caters for turning it off? |
| 11:17.18 | war | twisted`: I have a raptor150 x 10 and raid1 x raptor74 for boot |
| 11:17.29 | twisted` | war: will paste in a bit |
| 11:17.36 | war | twisted`: k |
| 11:17.57 | Assid | err.. anuyone know why grub-reboot 2 doesnt work? |
| 11:18.04 | Assid | it keeps booting into the default one |
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| 11:23.18 | sepski | Assid, your default line in menu.lst say saved ? or a number ? |
| 11:23.45 | twisted` | war: ident to services and I can paste |
| 11:23.46 | twisted` | :( |
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| 11:24.32 | Assid | i have a savedefault below each image |
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| 11:25.13 | Assid | and a default 0 |
| 11:25.47 | war | twisted`: paste in that chan |
| 11:25.51 | war | twisted`: I invited you to |
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| 11:26.15 | Assid | sepski: but when i do grub-reboot 2 .. shouldnt it set the default temporarily?> |
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| 11:27.17 | Jebus | What do I get with the full debian dl (3 dvd's)? |
| 11:27.18 | quitte | hi. could someone with a airport and a usb printer do me a favour? I need the output of avahi-discover when a printer is connected to the airport. |
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| 11:27.50 | Jebus | Does it include audio software like ardour? |
| 11:27.52 | dondelelcaro | Jebus: everything in main |
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| 11:28.11 | dondelelcaro | Jebus: yes |
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| 11:28.33 | Arafangion | Jebus: You get nearly every OSS program known to humankind that runs on Linux. |
| 11:28.38 | Arafangion | Jebus: Statistically speaking. |
| 11:28.40 | dondelelcaro | Jebus: everything that is in stable/main for the archicture you download is in the DVDs. See packages.debian.org for the full listing |
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| 11:29.28 | Jebus | when I install it which app will be most similar to dreamweaver |
| 11:29.31 | Jebus | ? |
| 11:29.55 | Jebus | Sorry, english is pretty bad atm, sleep deprivation |
| 11:30.05 | robin_sz | quitte, a friend of mine has an aiport and a USB printer ... hes on the phone at the moment, if thats of any use? |
| 11:30.54 | twisted` | war: sorry, gonna drop xfs and format it to ext3 |
| 11:30.59 | robin_sz | quitte, its only a 700m grass strip, with a few hangars and a bit of hardstanding |
| 11:31.02 | twisted` | war: since that's able to "resize" through parted |
| 11:31.12 | twisted` | and have prior experience with ext3 |
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| 11:31.22 | roland_ | can anyone test this : www.assa-electronic.ro |
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| 11:31.38 | roland_ | any other file in the site works fine and shows images but index.html doesnt |
| 11:31.43 | roland_ | i dont know why |
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| 11:32.42 | robin_sz | roland_, you did not load the images to the server |
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| 11:33.40 | Jebus | What's the closet I'll get to dreamweaver in linux? |
| 11:33.56 | robin_sz | http://www.assa-electronic.ro/index_files/image3661.png ... 404, not found |
| 11:34.27 | Jebus | Is there a solution that gives me a live preview for hand written code? |
| 11:34.35 | quitte | robin_sz: if you can get him to extrac the bonjopur data somehow that'D be really great |
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| 11:34.48 | Jebus | like an amalgamation of notepad and firefox? |
| 11:34.48 | putridp | what's the command to show the location of an exexcutable? |
| 11:34.53 | putridp | (not locate) |
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| 11:34.54 | quitte | robin_sz: if he doesn'T use linux i can easily tell you a tool for osx |
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| 11:35.28 | robin_sz | quitte, sorry, thats was a joke .. he does own an airport and he was on the phone ... but he owns like AN AIRPORT |
| 11:35.39 | robin_sz | as in with planes |
| 11:35.52 | quitte | robin_sz: oh. uhm haha. :( |
| 11:36.21 | robin_sz | nice little 700m grass strip it is too |
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| 11:38.51 | robin_sz | roland_, you have lots of other problems with that page too. lots of HUGE images that need resizing before publising ... like http://www.assa-electronic.ro/content/other/linux_logo_2.PNG |
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| 11:41.32 | sepski | Assid, no it must say default saved |
| 11:41.53 | Assid | all my images are savedefault at the end |
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| 11:42.10 | sepski | the line that say default 0 must say default saved |
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| 11:51.31 | twisted` | war: well ext3 is a pita too |
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| 11:58.10 | kairu0 | i have connected an LCD to my laptop and it is working, although the display is TOO BIG for the monitor. it flows off the edges. how can i fix this? |
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| 12:00.37 | Arafangion | kairu0: With difficulty - it's driver specific. This is still one area in which Linux is not as good at. |
| 12:01.47 | kairu0 | Arafangion, have you had this problem? |
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| 12:03.02 | solemnwarning | Why doesn't glxgears in etch print FPS to console? |
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| 12:03.33 | Arafangion | kairu0: I do know that my ATI based laptop just barely manages to have multiple screens of different resolutions - and that it does it in a different way than that of NVidia. |
| 12:04.26 | kairu0 | Arafangion, okay well thanks.. hmm looks likes an xorg.conf night again |
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| 12:04.51 | h3sp4wn | solemnwarning: because its not a benchmark and people were using it as such |
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| 12:05.30 | _frede_ | hi |
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| 12:05.45 | erpo | Is there a tool that will allow me to create an encrypted filesystem inside of a large file and mount it by double clicking on it? I already know how to do this from the command line. I'm looking for a way to do it easily in Gnome/KDE. Any suggestions? |
| 12:05.59 | solemnwarning | So what is it? |
| 12:06.14 | erpo | What is what? |
| 12:07.08 | jor | solemnwarning: a demo |
| 12:07.09 | _frede_ | i have upgrade from etch to lenny and since that upgrade mysql just doesnt start again, when installing mysql-server-5.0 it just hangs at "Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld." forever. I googled on it and found a few ppl with the same problem but no solution, anyone has an idea on that? |
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| 12:07.46 | jor | solemnwarning: there used to be a "-iacknowledgethistoolisnotabenchmark" option to make it output FPS again. not sure if that still exists |
| 12:08.13 | h3sp4wn | jor: that still does exist |
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| 12:09.01 | erpo | _frede_: I use sid, actually, so I never really upgrade. Back when I didn't use sid, I always reinstalled from scratch when a new version came out. Upgrades were just too messy and error-prone. |
| 12:09.16 | h3sp4wn | solemnwarning: strings `which glxgears` (then take the -iacknowledgethistoolisnotabenchmark part from that - then you don't have to remember it) |
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| 12:09.53 | vin` | theres -info which prints it as well |
| 12:09.59 | hark | or use -printfps ;) |
| 12:10.13 | _frede_ | erpo: well i did not have a problem in the yreas back, worked well always, from sarge to woody for example, and some of the servers are far away from me so i cant just take a cd hehe |
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| 12:10.28 | dondelelcaro | _frede_: have you run ps axfu; in another terminal to check to see what it's doing? |
| 12:10.37 | _frede_ | yeah, strange thing |
| 12:10.38 | vin` | hark: nada |
| 12:10.58 | _frede_ | runs: /bin/bash -e /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql-server-5.0.postinst co.... |
| 12:11.02 | dondelelcaro | there's no reason to install Debian from scratch every, actually. |
| 12:11.15 | _frede_ | and starts 3 of "/usr/sbin/mysqld --bootstrap --user=mysql --skip-gr...." |
| 12:11.24 | dondelelcaro | _frede_: that's the postinst, but it should be calling invoke-rc.d msyqld stop |
| 12:11.40 | _frede_ | but keeps doing nothing, no cpu consumption or anything |
| 12:11.48 | hark | vin`: what? |
| 12:11.51 | dondelelcaro | _frede_: add a set -x to the top of /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql-server-5.0.postinst; and give us the full output |
| 12:12.35 | _frede_ | hmm you mean: /bin/bash -e /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql-server-5.0.postinst configure ? |
| 12:12.37 | vin` | hark: -printfps no workie |
| 12:13.06 | dondelelcaro | _frede_: no, I mean edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql-server-5.0.postinst; rerun dpkg --configure -a; and give us the full output |
| 12:13.18 | h3sp4wn | No longer happens with sid's glxgears also (just displays them) |
| 12:13.24 | _frede_ | ok thanks, second |
| 12:14.10 | hark | vin`: it shows the fps too |
| 12:14.11 | _frede_ | add a -x here: #!/bin/bash -e to #!/bin/bash -ex ? |
| 12:14.33 | _frede_ | never did that, or just a -x to the top of the file |
| 12:14.57 | dondelelcaro | _frede_: just add a set -x under the shebang line |
| 12:15.02 | dondelelcaro | (#!==shebang) |
| 12:15.03 | _frede_ | ok |
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| 12:17.33 | _frede_ | http://rafb.net/p/RAWdy926.html |
| 12:18.00 | _frede_ | then it keeps haning... |
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| 12:19.41 | _frede_ | one of the google results said that it could be possible that the mysql package from ftp.de.debian.org could be corrupt, howvere i tried some uk server, same problem wit 4.1 and 5.0 mysql package |
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| 12:20.27 | dondelelcaro | _frede_: is that really the last line? logger -p daemon.err -t mysqld_safe -i ? |
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| 12:20.53 | _frede_ | yep still hangs on it hehe |
| 12:21.04 | dondelelcaro | _frede_: and is logger still running? |
| 12:21.07 | _frede_ | this machine only has 128mb ram |
| 12:21.24 | _frede_ | could that be the problem with the new versions which may need more or something |
| 12:21.35 | dondelelcaro | no |
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| 12:22.11 | kairu0 | i just busted out the manual for monitor and found out it wasnt supporting the resolution that i was trying to use. how can i show which resolutions my video card supports? |
| 12:22.12 | _frede_ | logger -p daemon.err -t mysqld_safe -i, yes still running |
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| 12:22.38 | dondelelcaro | _frede_: do you by chance have syslog running? |
| 12:23.12 | _frede_ | yes |
| 12:23.18 | hobophobe | Anyone know of a good resource regarding technology for linux (eg recommendations of routers, webcams, soundcards, motherboards, etc. that are pro-linux/work well with linux?) |
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| 12:23.45 | dondelelcaro | _frede_: and does logger -p daemon.err -t mysql_safe -i this is a test; succeed? |
| 12:24.19 | hobophobe | For example with OpenWRT they have a list of devices that the support, as do other projects.. but none really say "this is awesome with open source" or "this is barely adequate" |
| 12:24.38 | _frede_ | yep, May 19 14:23:57 iceserver mysql_safe[9237]: this is a test |
| 12:24.48 | _frede_ | in syslog file |
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| 12:25.14 | dondelelcaro | _frede_: ok; can you tell me what the line in /var/lib/dpkg/info/... is that actually is calling logger? |
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| 12:25.43 | _frede_ | ok, second |
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| 12:28.33 | ma3x | if i add ma3x.dyndns.org, can I add gallery.ma3x.dyndns.org? |
| 12:28.35 | _frede2_ | urgh, re |
| 12:28.41 | ma3x | or I must choose another domain? |
| 12:28.44 | _frede2_ | this one: /bin/bash /usr/bin/mysql_install_db --rpm 2>&1 | $ERR_LOGGER |
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| 12:29.39 | Bac0n | if i like to run xinetd should i remove openbsd-inetd? |
| 12:30.24 | _frede2_ | i guess the problem is with /bin/bash /usr/bin/mysql_install_db --rpm, it just doesnt install it hehe |
| 12:30.50 | abrotman | Bac0n: i think they can coexist |
| 12:31.00 | dondelelcaro | _frede_: no, it's completed that |
| 12:31.08 | dondelelcaro | _frede_: it's the next line that it's stuck at |
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| 12:32.07 | dondelelcaro | _frede_: oh, nevermind; yeah, that would mean that the install_db script is not returning for whatever reason |
| 12:32.17 | dondelelcaro | _frede_: run it manually yourself to see what it's doing |
| 12:32.25 | HyperDevil | how can i disable the screen blanking on the terminal in Debian Etch? |
| 12:32.44 | _frede2_ | hm yeah, the next line in the bash script is: if [ "$?" != "0" ]; then; echo "ATTENTION: An error has occured. More info is in the syslog!" |
| 12:32.52 | _frede2_ | so it would at least do that or? |
| 12:33.14 | _frede2_ | well hey, thanks a lot for your help |
| 12:33.24 | _frede2_ | i thought it is maybe something known and general |
| 12:33.31 | dondelelcaro | _frede_: if it ever returns it will; but from what you're saying it is not returning |
| 12:33.37 | _frede2_ | i think i just built it from the source and install it |
| 12:33.46 | _frede2_ | yep i think so |
| 12:34.23 | HyperDevil | how can i enable HyperThreading? |
| 12:34.28 | dondelelcaro | building it from source is a waste of time |
| 12:34.55 | dondelelcaro | just work through the problem to see why /usr/bin/mysql_install_db isn't returning |
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| 12:35.47 | _frede2_ | hm yep, also an idea |
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| 12:36.19 | ma3x | can I add subdomains for ma3x.dyndns.org? |
| 12:36.20 | HyperDevil | how can i enable HyperThreading? |
| 12:36.41 | _frede2_ | how would i do that? insert 'echo "here we are"' lines to the file /usr/bin/mysql_install_db and fond out where it hangs? |
| 12:36.54 | _frede2_ | find |
| 12:37.05 | dondelelcaro | _frede_: if it's a shell script, add a set -x to it and run it manually as root |
| 12:37.08 | h3sp4wn | HyperDevil: what does uname -r say |
| 12:37.25 | _frede2_ | ok thanks |
| 12:37.36 | HyperDevil | h3sp4wn: 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 12:37.52 | HyperDevil | i have installed the smp kernel yesterday and rebooted no success |
| 12:38.11 | HyperDevil | the smp kernel on etch was only 1.4 mb :| |
| 12:38.13 | dondelelcaro | all of the Debian kernels for x86 are smp now |
| 12:38.19 | HyperDevil | ok |
| 12:38.34 | HyperDevil | Hyper-Threading: Disabled |
| 12:38.39 | HyperDevil | how can i enable it? |
| 12:39.04 | cydork | HyperDevil: check your bios. |
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| 12:39.10 | HyperDevil | it is enabled there |
| 12:39.13 | abrotman | and it's not even worth it |
| 12:39.43 | _frede2_ | dondelelcaro: http://rafb.net/p/rNDSkM20.html, thats where it hangs, doesnt help me hehe |
| 12:39.44 | dondelelcaro | then append ht=on or whatever. |
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| 12:40.09 | HyperDevil | ok |
| 12:40.36 | ma3x | how do I clear the nslookup cache?? |
| 12:40.39 | silensius | is it possible to obtain the ip of dns-servers when we have just the ip of the client computer |
| 12:40.59 | valdyn | silensius: no? |
| 12:41.09 | dondelelcaro | silensius: not unless you know a root server's address |
| 12:41.10 | silensius | is there any way ? :( |
| 12:41.15 | silensius | ok |
| 12:41.17 | abrotman | ma3x: can't |
| 12:41.21 | ma3x | abrotman, why not? |
| 12:41.38 | abrotman | ma3x: it's not implemented ? |
| 12:41.43 | valdyn | silensius: how about asking your isp? |
| 12:42.12 | silensius | yes :) |
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| 12:42.23 | abrotman | valdyn: i suppose he could sniff the network and watch for DNS requests ? |
| 12:42.35 | dondelelcaro | _frede2_: which version of mysql-server is this that you're installing? |
| 12:42.36 | valdyn | silensius: that's probably best anyway, since any working ip that you might find might not work tomorrow |
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| 12:43.07 | valdyn | abrotman: sure |
| 12:43.26 | HyperDevil | i have tryed ht=on : CPU: Hyper-Threading disabled |
| 12:43.29 | ma3x | how come clearing the cache is not implemented? |
| 12:43.33 | ma3x | I mean what if the host information changes? |
| 12:43.39 | valdyn | ma3x: clearing what? |
| 12:43.41 | ma3x | how the hell will you resolve the domain name? |
| 12:43.52 | ma3x | valdyn, when you nslookup something |
| 12:43.56 | silensius | <valdyn>thanks |
| 12:44.02 | valdyn | ma3x: im sure there's an rfc explaining this |
| 12:44.06 | ma3x | first it says can't resolve it |
| 12:44.17 | cgriffin | abrotman: hello it is mfrisch. I am working on my friends pc and he has a pci express card I woke up to a grey screen, Do you think that could be the card or just a bad electricity all around? |
| 12:44.41 | abrotman | cgriffin: reboot ? |
| 12:44.59 | valdyn | or a screensaver? |
| 12:45.05 | cgriffin | abrotman: did and that worked. Just wanted to know why. you know me. |
| 12:45.05 | abrotman | ma3x: then it can't be resolved ... how is that hard to grasp ? |
| 12:45.16 | ma3x | abrotman, but it IS resolvable!! |
| 12:45.22 | HyperDevil | abrotman: ht=on does not help |
| 12:45.22 | ma3x | nslookup won't resolve it |
| 12:45.24 | abrotman | cgriffin: was it a really grey screen .. or kind of like snow ? |
| 12:45.36 | abrotman | HyperDevil: i didn't tell you to use it .. i think HT is worthless :) |
| 12:45.47 | abrotman | ma3x: you just said it wasn't |
| 12:45.51 | cgriffin | abrotman: it looked like the nvidia screen without the logo. grey |
| 12:45.53 | valdyn | ma3x: dns does not chache unresolvability, there's nothing to clear |
| 12:46.15 | abrotman | cgriffin: ah .. i don't use the nvidia binary drivers .. maybe it's related to that ? |
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| 12:46.32 | ma3x | abrotman, fporget it |
| 12:46.36 | abrotman | ? |
| 12:46.59 | abrotman | ma3x: do you understand what's going on ? |
| 12:47.06 | cgriffin | abrotman: I tried just to restart X and that did not work...I thought so too but I thought it was a pci express prob, I have never seen it on agp or pci |
| 12:47.37 | valdyn | cgriffin: pci express is just pci for all your computers software, including the OS |
| 12:47.54 | cgriffin | valdyn: aah cool. |
| 12:48.02 | abrotman | cgriffin: reloading X won't reload the kernel nvidia module |
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| 12:48.26 | abrotman | cgriffin: i'd see it happens again tonight |
| 12:48.28 | cgriffin | abrotman: yup. but it just went back to the grey screen ;-( |
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| 12:48.45 | valdyn | cgriffin: contrary to that, agp needs specific drivers to go into any mode faster than pci, w/o that its pci too |
| 12:48.59 | ma3x | abrotman, first I looked up gal.host.dyndns.com, it said unresolvable. then I enabled wildcard so that every *.host.dyndns.com will be resolvable. then I do nslookup gal.host.dyndns.com and it wont resolve it, but every other *.host.dyndns.com is resolvable. host.dyndns.com is not mine, used it as an example |
| 12:49.10 | cgriffin | OK THANKS sounds just like a fluke. |
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| 12:50.51 | abrotman | ma3x: you enabled * where? in some web interface at dyndns.com ? |
| 12:51.16 | _fr33man_ | how can i build a package using dpkg-buildpackage with a specific configuraion option? for example, gftp always get configured with --disable-ssl |
| 12:51.38 | valdyn | _fr33man_: cd debian / editor rules |
| 12:51.58 | itchi | Hi, i have migrated a box to Sid and some icons are missing. With thunar, evolution, and such, i get some white rectangle with a red cross in it. |
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| 12:52.01 | ma3x | abrotman, yes! |
| 12:52.16 | itchi | valdyn: Was it you that helped me to try to fix my hdd trouble? |
| 12:52.23 | stew | fireba11_grr: /msg dpkg debian/rules |
| 12:52.25 | valdyn | itchi: i dont remember |
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| 12:52.31 | stew | _fr33man_: /msg dpkg debian/rules |
| 12:52.37 | stew | fireba11_grr: (not you, nm) |
| 12:52.43 | abrotman | ma3x: i don't know a damn thing about using their web interface .. but if it says unresolvable .. then it is .. and you can certainyl query their servers directly if you choose |
| 12:52.47 | itchi | valdyn: That comp need noapic nolapic as boot param, stupid comp :-p I had forget about that hehe |
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| 12:53.16 | chaska90 | hi, does anyone know what i should add to the /etc/network/interfaces file to add dns servers? |
| 12:53.28 | abrotman | you add them in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 12:53.29 | itchi | valdyn: I think it was you ;-) anyway, still thanks heh ;-) |
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| 12:53.49 | _fr33man_ | thank you both, valdyn and stew |
| 12:53.56 | h3sp4wn | fireba11_grr: You might have to change the build dependancies (if you will build it with pbuilder) - ssl is not mentioned in them currently |
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| 12:54.19 | ma3x | abrotman, how can you query their servers? |
| 12:54.31 | itchi | valdyn: (It was arround a week ago) |
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| 12:54.49 | h3sp4wn | _fr33man_: ^^ |
| 12:54.49 | abrotman | ma3x: find the IP of them and then `nslookup <host> <ip>` |
| 12:55.18 | h3sp4wn | chaska90: If you want to add them to /etc/network/interfaces you should install resolvconf |
| 12:55.51 | h3sp4wn | chaska90: dns-nameservers 172.16.0.1 \n dns-search lan (that is what I use) |
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| 12:55.57 | chaska90 | h3sp4wn: i just added it to /etc/resolv.conf as: nameserver 208.67.222.222 208.67.220.220 |
| 12:56.09 | chaska90 | sans the colon i think |
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| 12:56.18 | abrotman | one on each line |
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| 12:58.23 | chrisjs169 | ok, i've got an Intel Ethernet Pro 100 NIC that isn't working - dhclient fails with SIOCSIFFLAGS: Resource temporarily unavailable |
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| 12:58.59 | chrisjs169 | any suggestions? |
| 12:59.04 | ribasushi | hi |
| 12:59.29 | abrotman | chrisjs169: is the driver loaded ? |
| 12:59.34 | ribasushi | I need gcc 3.2.3, it is not in debian snapshots, what other options do I have besides building it from scratch? |
| 12:59.39 | chrisjs169 | abrotman: i'm not really sure - how can I find out? |
| 12:59.43 | abrotman | lsmod |
| 12:59.50 | abrotman | i think it's e100 |
| 13:00.43 | abrotman | chrisjs169: which version of debian ? |
| 13:00.54 | _fr33man_ | h3sp4wn, i have the ssl headers installed, gftp just got built flawlessly with ssl support |
| 13:01.10 | _fr33man_ | thanks for helping me out |
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| 13:01.28 | chrisjs169 | abrotman: i'm actually using Kanotix, but it's using the sid repos |
| 13:01.38 | abrotman | that doesn't help me |
| 13:01.44 | abrotman | i have no idea what kanotix does |
| 13:02.53 | h3sp4wn | _fr33man_: I think its a licensing reason why its not done by default |
| 13:03.24 | abrotman | chrisjs169: did you try asking #kanotix ? |
| 13:03.58 | chrisjs169 | abrotman: not yet, asking now |
| 13:04.31 | jetscreamer | try netcardconfig |
| 13:04.39 | jetscreamer | at least kanotix has it |
| 13:04.52 | h3sp4wn | chrisjs169: kanotix is dying (or dead) most of those people now do sidux - but as they hate aptitude I couldn't recommend them |
| 13:04.53 | jetscreamer | see also #kanotix |
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| 13:05.42 | itchi | How can i define the icon theme to use in fluxbox? |
| 13:05.59 | abrotman | icons ? |
| 13:06.08 | itchi | I'm missing icons right now, many apps show a white square with a red cros |
| 13:06.20 | itchi | For example thunar, evolution and such |
| 13:06.24 | chrisjs169 | h3sp4wn: running netcardconfig from the terminal shows that it sitll has the same error |
| 13:06.28 | jetscreamer | in the menus i guess |
| 13:06.52 | h3sp4wn | chrisjs169: what does uname -r say ? |
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| 13:06.59 | itchi | In the menu, the icons are right, it are more the icons used in the applications (running Sid btw and got it just after the migration) |
| 13:07.24 | chrisjs169 | h3sp4wn: 2.6.20-10-kanotix |
| 13:07.56 | jetscreamer | ah linux-source-2.6.21 |
| 13:08.17 | chrisjs169 | i know kanotix is just about dead, but i didn't have another install cd laying around, and at the time didn't want to download another ISO |
| 13:08.26 | h3sp4wn | chrisjs169: I think he ported the ubuntu kernel from feisty for that |
| 13:08.43 | chrisjs169 | h3sp4wn: ok |
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| 13:09.18 | itchi | chrisjs169: Download a rescue cd and keep that. Somethings little as grml |
| 13:09.29 | h3sp4wn | chrisjs169: And I have no idea about how its configured (substantially different from a debian one) |
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| 13:09.42 | h3sp4wn | chrisjs169: Or just reinstall sid with grml-debootstrap (if you still want it) |
| 13:09.53 | itchi | chrisjs169: I mean, later, use these 'rescue' tools |
| 13:09.54 | jetscreamer | it's not, much, except most of the stuff in the runlevels is disabled |
| 13:10.10 | chrisjs169 | itchi/h3sp4wn: ok |
| 13:10.32 | abrotman | can't he just use the etch installer ? |
| 13:10.44 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: doesn't want to burn a cd |
| 13:11.00 | abrotman | floppy install! |
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| 13:11.07 | jetscreamer | i've 'upgraded' a kanotix install to sid, but it wasn't like magic iirc |
| 13:11.17 | jetscreamer | debtakeover? |
| 13:11.29 | itchi | I think i'm missing a stupid 'icon' package, but which one? :-p |
| 13:11.34 | boodie | Hi; can anybody help me with gspace & firefox? |
| 13:11.51 | jetscreamer | kanotix has it's own version of sysv i think which makes it a pain |
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| 13:12.15 | jetscreamer | itchi: try apt-cache search box |grep icon maybe |
| 13:12.30 | jetscreamer | or search flux |
| 13:12.37 | jetscreamer | or theme |
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| 13:13.39 | jetscreamer | see also apt-cache search icon |
| 13:13.54 | itchi | yup, i'm trying each one i find heh |
| 13:14.19 | jetscreamer | itchi: it's probably another package though maybe... might use gnome icons |
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| 13:14.40 | itchi | jetscreamer: I suspect that it is a gnome related one too |
| 13:14.56 | itchi | I think it's my fault, i cleaned gnome too |
| 13:14.59 | itchi | :-) |
| 13:15.36 | jetscreamer | http://www.google.com/url?q=http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/themes.php&sa=X&oi=smap&resnum=1&ct=result&cd=2&usg=AFrqEzcco1mkxzscwCoE7dk4FoGayFx-PA |
| 13:15.43 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 13:15.50 | ji | hello, I'm trying to install vmware workstation on 64bit sid, after apply the any-to-any update, still failed . Can someone tell me how to fix this? |
| 13:16.06 | jetscreamer | http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/themes.php |
| 13:16.40 | itchi | ji: It was fixed here with the any-to-any fix here on a sid box :-s |
| 13:16.59 | itchi | ji: Which kernel do you use? |
| 13:17.06 | jetscreamer | ji: i've seen a bug filed against stock sid 2.6.20 , paravirtualization enabled, and vmware something |
| 13:17.23 | jetscreamer | not sure if it's what's doing you... never done vmware myself |
| 13:17.43 | jetscreamer | !bdo |
| 13:17.43 | dpkg | well, bdo is bugs.debian.org. before bitching in #debian, check to see if your bug is already filed |
| 13:18.00 | itchi | On sid, you need to apply that patch, that's all what i know about. At least, i had a need to apply it. I dunno much about it too |
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| 13:18.06 | jetscreamer | not the factoid i would have picked from a choice |
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| 13:27.51 | x_link | Is Wintendo a program like Wine and Cedega or what? |
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| 13:31.20 | abrotman | ask google |
| 13:31.56 | tankschiff | Hi, i can't access on my evolution adressbook. Is there a conflict with gaim possible or something else? |
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| 13:33.01 | tankschiff | :) |
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| 13:45.13 | turing_machine | hi |
| 13:45.59 | boodie | Hi has anyone managed to get nspluginwrapper working? |
| 13:46.30 | turing_machine | only one question: what about running "apt-get dist-upgrade" to turn on "testing" from a 4 months old "unstable"? is it going to disintegrate my system? :P |
| 13:46.50 | abrotman | maybe |
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| 13:47.11 | h3sp4wn | turing_machine: Quite likely to be ok |
| 13:47.15 | stew | turing_machine: we'd recomend using aptitude instead of apt-get |
| 13:47.37 | turing_machine | uhm, ok |
| 13:48.15 | turing_machine | mmh |
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| 13:49.14 | turing_machine | ok, i'll try. |
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| 13:50.43 | turing_machine | but... i cannot understand how to do a "dist-upgrade"; maybe it's a concept of apt-get and not of aptitude |
| 13:50.43 | turing_machine | so i may only press "U" and hope for dependency resolution |
| 13:50.43 | h3sp4wn | turing_machine: aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 13:50.43 | turing_machine | ah, ok |
| 13:50.44 | h3sp4wn | (from command line) - try with -s first (if you want) |
| 13:51.03 | turing_machine | too late :-P |
| 13:51.14 | turing_machine | ok, at the worst i will reinstall :° |
| 13:51.27 | stew | turing_machine: however, if you upgrade packages from the aptitude frontend, it will readily install new packages and remove others, so it is acting like a dist-upgrde, not a upgrade |
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| 13:51.45 | turing_machine | stew, yes, that's what i meant |
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| 13:52.15 | turing_machine | dist-upgrade is only a name for the "full dependency-resolution" approach, i guess |
| 13:52.31 | turing_machine | ok, let's see! |
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| 14:01.47 | chrisjs169 | (I got my NIC working :D) |
| 14:02.34 | chrisjs169 | #kanotix seems dead, so I'll try asking here - when using ifrename to rename lan0 to eth0, when I restart it reverts back....how do I stop that? |
| 14:02.56 | asg | chrisjs169: the manpage will tell you |
| 14:03.03 | chrisjs169 | asg: ok |
| 14:03.18 | asg | chrisjs169: if not, use nameif and /etc/mactab |
| 14:03.42 | liable | or a udev rule |
| 14:03.51 | abrotman | or install debian :) |
| 14:03.56 | kth`` | chrisjs169, is there a reason not to use udev? |
| 14:04.09 | h3sp4wn | chrisjs169: Remove the kanotix udev configuration and install the debian one |
| 14:04.29 | chrisjs169 | h3sp4wn: ok, how? |
| 14:04.44 | chrisjs169 | just apt-get remove udev? |
| 14:04.48 | h3sp4wn | chrisjs169: NO |
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| 14:04.59 | chrisjs169 | didn't think so |
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| 14:05.20 | chrisjs169 | oh wait, the udev _configuration) |
| 14:05.31 | chrisjs169 | how can I do that? |
| 14:05.37 | h3sp4wn | chrisjs169: kanotix-udev-config (I didn't use kanotix for over a year) |
| 14:05.50 | solemnwarning | How much /, swap and mem should I allocate for an xen dom0 system? |
| 14:06.04 | chrisjs169 | h3sp4wn: ok, and the debian udev config? |
| 14:06.14 | valdyn | solemnwarning: like for a regular system |
| 14:06.54 | valdyn | solemnwarning: = depending on what the stuff you need to run will need |
| 14:07.05 | h3sp4wn | chrisjs169: I guess I would do - apt-get install --reinstall -o DPkg::Options::=--force-confmiss -o DPkg::Options::=--force-confnew udev (afterwards) |
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| 14:07.30 | h3sp4wn | chrisjs169: With kanotix over 90% of your issues will be caused by the kanotix crappy hacks |
| 14:07.43 | chrisjs169 | yeah, that's what i've noticed |
| 14:09.33 | chrisjs169 | but i don't really want to have to wait an hour recompiling all of the programs I use (apart from installing another disto) |
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| 14:11.43 | thegoldenaura | hi there. i am trying to help a friend of mine installing debian etch |
| 14:11.55 | thegoldenaura | and after the installation i try to access the machine over ssh |
| 14:11.59 | thegoldenaura | and the connection is refused |
| 14:12.20 | thegoldenaura | with etch there is no ssh server by default ? |
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| 14:12.46 | yang | Anyone knows the difference bnetween iceweasel and iceape? |
| 14:13.16 | abrotman | iceape is the old big mozilla .. iceweasel is FF |
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| 14:18.06 | markit | anyone with sid and qemu and problems after last update? |
| 14:18.07 | larsl | When I plug in my USB PTP camera (Kodak CX6330) it appears as a device file under /dev/bus/usb/ , but it is owned by root.root so I can't connect to it and upload or download pictures as a normal user. If I change the owner of the device file to root.plugdev it works. What do I need to do to get udev to do that automatically? |
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| 14:18.37 | h3sp4wn | chrisjs169: Those hacks are not maintained - Kano planned to switch to ubuntu or etch as a base - at some point it will end up trashed |
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| 14:18.51 | phretor | hi there |
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| 14:19.30 | liable | larsl: i take it you use a minimal wm? |
| 14:19.36 | phretor | after a fresh installation, the kernel loading keeps freezing at "Loading PCI resources." Then the fan starts a never-ending cooling cycle. What to do? |
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| 14:19.38 | larsl | liable: No, KDE. |
| 14:19.57 | liable | larsl: weird, kde should look after that stuff for you |
| 14:19.59 | phretor | note that I've already installed debian on that system many times |
| 14:20.11 | larsl | liable: It starts Digikam when the camera is connected, but it tries to access it as a USB storage device which obviously doesn't work. |
| 14:20.16 | larsl | liable: Setting device permissions? |
| 14:20.19 | liable | larsl: for udev rules, /usr/share/doc/udev/ |
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| 14:20.41 | liable | larsl: theres surprisingly good info in there |
| 14:20.45 | phretor | I mean, how to boot the kernel for finding the problem? |
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| 14:21.56 | slidesinger | Is there an option if I want to just see the fonts currently being managed by defoma? |
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| 14:22.28 | vin` | phretor: so you can't boot at all? |
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| 14:22.49 | sn0 | phretor you could try disabling acpi at the boot prompt |
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| 14:23.07 | slidesinger | Everything seems to say register, unregister, or purge. |
| 14:23.12 | phretor | sn0: the right message is "setting up standard pci resources" - it freezes at this step |
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| 14:23.19 | Southern | Hi |
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| 14:23.49 | Southern | does anyone have a repository containig alsa-driver in his sources.list ??? |
| 14:24.13 | phretor | vin`, sn0: it's pretty strange as I've never experienced any ACPI problem on that system. BTW, how to disable acpi with grub? |
| 14:24.31 | sn0 | phretor indeed, without knowing more thats all i can say to try really |
| 14:24.38 | slidesinger | Southern: I got my drivers from testing. What sound card? |
| 14:24.50 | phretor | sn0: ok, disabling ACPI would be my first step |
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| 14:25.00 | sn0 | "acpi=off" at the grub prompt phretor |
| 14:25.02 | Southern | usb Sound Blaster Live 24bit |
| 14:25.28 | sn0 | also can try 'noacpi' and 'noapic' too |
| 14:25.46 | phretor | sn0: "Error 27: unrecognized command" |
| 14:25.55 | sn0 | if it works then you can add it to the menu.lst , or see about troubleshooting it once loaded |
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| 14:26.18 | h3sp4wn | Southern: I am using the alsa-driver from experimental |
| 14:26.31 | Southern | working right?? |
| 14:26.41 | Southern | I'm tired of my laptop speakers... |
| 14:26.49 | sn0 | phretor try pressing 'e' to edit grub at the menu |
| 14:26.52 | Southern | well, the sound card really... |
| 14:26.56 | h3sp4wn | Southern: (built by alsa-source package) just remember to edit /etc/alsa/alsa-source.conf |
| 14:27.14 | sn0 | add acpi=off on the end of the kernel option line you are using to boot |
| 14:27.24 | Southern | ok, gonna take a look at it, thx :) |
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| 14:27.58 | phretor | sn0: my god, this is not like LILO |
| 14:28.16 | sn0 | phretor nothing like it :-) |
| 14:28.20 | NetNiet | Hi.. with what apt- command can i list the files in a pkg ? |
| 14:28.36 | slidesinger | Southern: What kernel? 2.4 or 2.6? |
| 14:28.41 | Southern | 2.6 |
| 14:28.54 | Southern | I have just unzipped the alsa-driver file |
| 14:28.58 | Southern | located under /usr/src |
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| 14:29.07 | phretor | sn0: how do I put something at the end? |
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| 14:29.29 | h3sp4wn | Southern: If you use the debian ise source you can build it with module-assistant |
| 14:29.29 | Southern | slidesinger, |
| 14:29.43 | sn0 | go to the end of hte line phretor , then add a space |
| 14:29.45 | Southern | mmm |
| 14:29.58 | Southern | I modprobe'd snd-usb-audio |
| 14:29.59 | phretor | sn0: ehm, I'm at boot |
| 14:30.06 | Southern | and the sound card is detected :D |
| 14:30.16 | phretor | sn0: I actually *can't* edit anything |
| 14:30.17 | Southern | the only problem now is that I only get sound from 1 speaker out of my 5.1 set X) |
| 14:30.25 | sn0 | press e on the default kernel phretor |
| 14:30.28 | phretor | done |
| 14:30.35 | sn0 | now you should be in the grub list ? |
| 14:30.43 | phretor | sn0: yes I am |
| 14:30.48 | sn0 | ok so scroll down |
| 14:30.53 | phretor | done |
| 14:31.16 | sn0 | look for the title/ root/kernel section |
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| 14:31.30 | h3sp4wn | Southern: All you need to do after installing the alsa-source deb is m-a a-i alsa (build and install - better to edit alsa-source.conf for only the cards you have though) |
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| 14:31.35 | sn0 | where you add the custom commands, is at the end of the kernel /boot/vmllinuz-2.6.x-blah line |
| 14:31.40 | phretor | sn0: ok, I've a kernel stanza |
| 14:32.00 | sn0 | so for me its: kernel/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.20-1-k7 root=/dev/sda2 ro init=/sbin/bootchartd |
| 14:32.00 | sn0 | acpi=off |
| 14:32.09 | sn0 | but obviously don't use mine |
| 14:32.25 | sn0 | hmm that came on 2 lines didn't it |
| 14:32.38 | sn0 | it should all be on one line, with the additions entered after a space at the end of the existing line |
| 14:32.41 | Southern | h3sp4wn, what shall I edit on the alsa-source.conf ??? |
| 14:32.58 | h3sp4wn | Southern: ALSA_CARDS= |
| 14:33.08 | h3sp4wn | Southern: put the cards you want to build the drivers for in there |
| 14:33.19 | h3sp4wn | Southern: Otherwise you will build all of them |
| 14:33.44 | Southern | so just: ALSA_CARDS="usb-snd-audio" ? |
| 14:33.44 | h3sp4wn | e.g I use ALSA_CARDS="ice1724" |
| 14:33.51 | phretor | sn0: ok, I'll edit the kernel line |
| 14:33.59 | Southern | ok, done :) |
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| 14:34.36 | sn0 | then check, then save, then try booting once more phretor |
| 14:34.42 | phretor | sn0: ok, it loads with ACPI disabled - how to do next? |
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| 14:34.54 | sn0 | ok so that did help |
| 14:34.58 | Southern | thx for all h3sp4wn and company :P |
| 14:35.04 | h3sp4wn | Southern: I think it should be "usb-audio" |
| 14:35.08 | sn0 | well that will mean things like shutting down/power related things not working |
| 14:35.14 | phretor | sn0: for sure :-) now I want my ACPI back |
| 14:35.15 | h3sp4wn | Southern: Not certain though |
| 14:35.16 | sn0 | so you would need to investigate it futher |
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| 14:35.30 | sn0 | what pc/cpu/motherboard are you using, maybe a notebook? |
| 14:35.58 | phretor | sn0: yes but, as I told you before, I'm using ACPI on that laptop with debian for almost 2 years |
| 14:37.08 | sn0 | phretor well maybe something has changed that is now causing it not to work |
| 14:37.17 | sn0 | im sure the older debian kernel you are using isn't the same as the one you are using now? |
| 14:37.29 | slidesinger | Southern: This page: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=Creative+Labs&card=Sound+Blaster+Live+7.1.&chip=SB0410%2C+P17&module=ca0106 would seem to apply to your sound card. |
| 14:37.29 | bintut | hello all.. anyone here running asterisk + zaptel on debian etch? |
| 14:37.48 | phretor | sn0: yes - I've changed the kernel version |
| 14:37.48 | Southern | thank you slidesinger, gonna take a read :P |
| 14:38.00 | slidesinger | Southern: There are also notes specific to Debian there as well. |
| 14:38.01 | bintut | do i need to create a kernel module for zaptel on my box? |
| 14:38.08 | Southern | great :D |
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| 14:38.33 | sn0 | maybe check linux-laptop.net phretor to see if your notebook is listed |
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| 14:38.44 | sn0 | otherwise -> google |
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| 14:40.07 | h3sp4wn | slidesinger: That isn't a driver for the usb version |
| 14:40.43 | Morydd | I'm getting an error when trying to startx. it's failing to load libGLcore.so, failing to load glx module. I removed glx from the Modules section, but I'm still getting this error. |
| 14:40.59 | h3sp4wn | Morydd: using fglrx or nvidia ? |
| 14:41.22 | Morydd | was using nvidia, but that was failing as well so I switched back to nv |
| 14:42.26 | h3sp4wn | I take it you didn't read /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 14:42.34 | h3sp4wn | And used the nvidia.com installer |
| 14:44.22 | h3sp4wn | Southern: That is for the pci version you could not bother to set ALSA_CARDS= (build them all just once) then run alsaconf - if you need to change which is index 0 I know how to do that |
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| 14:46.16 | Southern | h3sp4wn, I've got ALSA_CARDS="all", then I run alsaconf |
| 14:46.34 | h3sp4wn | Southern: and you did the m-a command ? |
| 14:46.40 | Southern | m-a ? |
| 14:46.42 | phretor | sn0: it *is* listed and it *did* work. Currently, it doesn't work with 2.6.20-1 |
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| 14:47.17 | h3sp4wn | Southern: aptitude search alsa-modules-`uname -r` |
| 14:47.24 | sn0 | phretor good that is something to go onthen :) |
| 14:47.36 | h3sp4wn | Southern: did you install alsa-source/experimental ? |
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| 14:48.18 | Southern | at least not intentionally X) |
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| 14:48.34 | Southern | the aptitude command returned nothing... |
| 14:48.52 | h3sp4wn | Southern: so where did you install alsa-source from ? etc ? |
| 14:48.57 | h3sp4wn | Southern: *etch |
| 14:49.00 | Southern | apt-get |
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| 14:49.44 | h3sp4wn | Southern: If its an issue with the alsa in etch that won't help you (same version) |
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| 14:49.45 | sn0 | brb |
| 14:49.55 | Southern | buff, this is starting to supperate me xD |
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| 14:50.42 | h3sp4wn | Southern: ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/alsa-driver/ |
| 14:51.07 | h3sp4wn | Southern: (get 1.0.14-rc4) install it manually with dpkg -i |
| 14:51.23 | Southern | ok |
| 14:52.00 | h3sp4wn | Southern: then apt-get install module-assistant linux-headers-`uname -r` |
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| 14:52.35 | h3sp4wn | Southern: m-a a-i alsa (then aptitude search alsa-modules-`uname -r` should return something) |
| 14:52.38 | Southern | ok, one sec |
| 14:52.43 | kichik | can i manually convert isam tables to myisam tables without mysql_convert_table_format? while upgrading to etch, mysql-5 upgrade failed somehow (couldn't find libmysqlclient.so.15). now mysqld won't start because `host` can't be found which is actually an isam table. |
| 14:52.45 | kiba | I installed something that won't allow me to install iceweasel :( |
| 14:52.55 | kiba | libgtk2.0-common |
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| 14:53.25 | h3sp4wn | kiba: from where ? |
| 14:54.15 | kichik | or maybe start mysql-4 again so i can convert? aptitude won't configure mysql-4 again though... |
| 14:54.18 | kiba | unstable |
| 14:54.47 | h3sp4wn | kiba: and you are running ? |
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| 14:56.53 | kichik | hmm... mysql-server-4.1 depends on mysql-server-5.0?! |
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| 14:58.19 | kiba | debian |
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| 14:58.26 | h3sp4wn | kichik: transitional package ? |
| 14:58.45 | h3sp4wn | kiba: sid though ? you are not being clear |
| 14:58.46 | kichik | h3sp4wn: can i get the normal one somehow? |
| 14:59.02 | h3sp4wn | kichik: Are you running etch ? |
| 14:59.07 | kiba | h3sp4wn: I run unstable |
| 14:59.20 | kichik | h3sp4wn: you can say that... i just upgraded to etch and everything but mysql is working |
| 14:59.37 | h3sp4wn | kichik: did you read the release notes ? |
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| 15:00.03 | kichik | h3sp4wn: yes, nothing about mysql or failed configure, only dependecies as far as i can see |
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| 15:01.03 | h3sp4wn | kiba: revert then to when you know it was working |
| 15:01.10 | kichik | h3sp4wn: anything specific there you think i missed? |
| 15:01.11 | kiba | how? |
| 15:01.43 | h3sp4wn | kiba: look in /var/log/aptitude |
| 15:01.56 | h3sp4wn | and revert parts back to when you know it was working |
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| 15:02.36 | kiba | I never revert before |
| 15:02.58 | h3sp4wn | maybe you shouldn't be running unstable then |
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| 15:03.20 | h3sp4wn | kiba: anything in the bug tracker relating to your issue |
| 15:03.39 | Southern | h3sp4wn, the aptitude search returns: i alsa-modules-2.6.18-4-686 - ALSA modules for kernel 2.6.18-4-686 |
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| 15:03.54 | h3sp4wn | Southern: Those are installed now then |
| 15:04.36 | h3sp4wn | Southern: (should be in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/updates |
| 15:04.49 | kiba | I see nothing in aptitude |
| 15:05.03 | h3sp4wn | !sid faq |
| 15:05.03 | dpkg | rumour has it, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 15:05.07 | kiba | h3sp4n: well...I don't want to use stable |
| 15:05.08 | Southern | si, in the theory the card should work no? |
| 15:05.16 | kiba | and this is my mistake |
| 15:05.21 | chatcopitecus | hi |
| 15:05.22 | h3sp4wn | Southern: did you run alsaconf |
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| 15:05.38 | kiba | I shouldn't upgrade that package |
| 15:05.42 | Southern | running it right now |
| 15:05.46 | chatcopitecus | is it easy to install pidgin, the new version of gaim in stable? |
| 15:06.12 | h3sp4wn | kiba: sid is not supported here generally - and if you don't know how act on what I said then you shouldn't use it |
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| 15:06.35 | kiba | h3sp4wn: meh...using outdated softwares is too much for me |
| 15:06.53 | kiba | I broke my system several time before |
| 15:06.54 | h3sp4wn | kiba: it breaks its up to you to fix it |
| 15:07.13 | h3sp4wn | iceweasel is installed and working fine for me though |
| 15:07.18 | kiba | I know the risk, sheesh |
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| 15:07.31 | Southern | h3sp4wn, only two items shown... hda-intel and legacy :( |
| 15:07.58 | kichik | right, trying to completely remove mysql, unless someone has a better suggestion |
| 15:08.35 | h3sp4wn | Southern: does snd-usb-audio exist in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/updates |
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| 15:09.29 | Southern | nop |
| 15:10.22 | h3sp4wn | Southern: ALSA_CARDS= (what did you use in the end) |
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| 15:10.27 | Southern | aall |
| 15:10.29 | Southern | all |
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| 15:11.08 | grgdorn | can i retrieve information about a package before i install it? Like a list of files it contains. where they will be installed etc. ? |
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| 15:11.31 | dondelelcaro | grgdorn: yes; packages.debian.org has that information |
| 15:11.41 | dondelelcaro | grgdorn: you can alternatively use dpkg-deb if you have the .deb already |
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| 15:12.00 | grgdorn | i see. thank you. |
| 15:12.18 | h3sp4wn | Southern: try again with - ALSA_CARDS="usb-audio, hda-intel" |
| 15:12.36 | Southern | usb-audio or usb-snd-audio ?? |
| 15:12.47 | h3sp4wn | just what I put |
| 15:13.00 | h3sp4wn | its definately not usb-snd-audio |
| 15:13.05 | h3sp4wn | (all start with snd-* |
| 15:13.38 | Southern | that to fix the kernel right?? |
| 15:13.45 | Southern | s/fix/fit |
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| 15:14.04 | h3sp4wn | Southern: You don't need the snd prefix) |
| 15:14.15 | Southern | ok :) |
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| 15:14.46 | lindylex | hello |
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| 15:15.13 | Southern | h3sp4wn, where was the alsa.conf file located?? |
| 15:15.23 | lindylex | I recenetly installed Klan to replace knetworkmanager because I was tired of being asked for the password. I thoug this would work. But when I installed it it removed Knetworkmanager, I think. And now I can not get online. |
| 15:15.26 | h3sp4wn | Southern: /etc/alsa/alsa-source.conf |
| 15:15.30 | Southern | I only have /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf but it's a different file ... |
| 15:15.49 | Southern | alsa-cource.conf, my mistake :P |
| 15:16.40 | Southern | ok ,edited the file and running alsaconf :) |
| 15:16.54 | h3sp4wn | Southern: You need to rebuild the module |
| 15:17.03 | Southern | m-a a-i alsa ? |
| 15:17.04 | h3sp4wn | Southern: m-a a-i alsa |
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| 15:17.19 | Southern | :) |
| 15:17.40 | h3sp4wn | Southern: then look in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/updates/alsa (check that they actually exist first) |
| 15:17.54 | Southern | ok |
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| 15:19.44 | Southern | on that dir I've got: acore drivers i2c isa misc pci pcmcia soc synth usb |
| 15:19.59 | h3sp4wn | Southern: It could say the module is already installed (in which case you would have to manually dpkg -i it from /usr/src |
| 15:20.12 | h3sp4wn | Southern: and what is in usb ? |
| 15:20.42 | Southern | caiaq snd-usb-audio.ko snd-usb-lik.ko usxy2 |
| 15:20.51 | h3sp4wn | Southern: So its there |
| 15:21.06 | Southern | modprobe now?? |
| 15:21.12 | h3sp4wn | Southern: Is it actually plugged in yet ? |
| 15:21.26 | Southern | no |
| 15:21.33 | Southern | lsmod | grep usb doesn't show it |
| 15:21.48 | h3sp4wn | Southern: There is no way alsaconf would find it unless it was plugged in |
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| 15:22.22 | Southern | shall I load it and run alsaconf? |
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| 15:22.44 | Southern | or run it, update the modules and then alsaconf ? |
| 15:22.52 | h3sp4wn | Southern: plug it in and run alsaconf should find it - then check - cat /proc/asound/version |
| 15:23.11 | h3sp4wn | Stupid to load modules of hardware that is not even attached |
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| 15:23.17 | Southern | I load the module, run alsaconf but it still shows hda-intel and legacy :S |
| 15:23.54 | h3sp4wn | 16:21 < h3sp4wn> Southern: Is it actually plugged in yet ? |
| 15:23.54 | h3sp4wn | 16:21 < Southern> no |
| 15:24.02 | h3sp4wn | plug the thing in |
| 15:24.27 | Southern | I did modprobe snd-usb-audio |
| 15:24.35 | h3sp4wn | or I will consider you just wasting my time and put you on ignore |
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| 15:25.11 | Southern | when I run alsaconf it unloads all ALSA sound driver modules.. |
| 15:25.39 | h3sp4wn | Southern: I am putting you on ignore as you are not paying any attention |
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| 15:25.59 | Southern | h3sp4wn, I don't understand eveything you say... |
| 15:26.04 | Southern | english is not my language :S |
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| 15:26.29 | Southern | did you mean the sound card plugged in?? yes it is... |
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| 15:34.35 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 15:34.35 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, qotd136 is < Szeraax> oh how i love having multiple people |
| 15:35.23 | tarzeau | someone play sauerbraten? |
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| 15:36.51 | lindylex | does anyone use Kwlan here and could help me? |
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| 15:37.32 | h3sp4wn | !anyone use kwlan |
| 15:37.32 | dpkg | No, no one uses kwlan, not even the people who use it. |
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| 15:38.40 | abrotman | !ask |
| 15:38.40 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 15:38.41 | jetscreamer | what is it that i'm not compiling into my custom kernel that won't let me use root=UUID= in menu.lst (/dev/hdx works though) somebody said once iirc... |
| 15:38.47 | lindylex | dpkg:Of course. How about installed it and got it to work? |
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| 15:39.20 | stew | lindylex: /msg dpkg bts |
| 15:39.28 | lindylex | I installed it now I can not get online. I need help figuring this out. It worked before. |
| 15:39.29 | stew | lindylex: if it were completely unusable, there would be bugs filed |
| 15:39.45 | dondelelcaro | lindylex: if it's in Debian, presumably at least the maintainer is able to install it and use it |
| 15:39.56 | dondelelcaro | (or at least, was able at some time) |
| 15:40.13 | lindylex | sure I asume other have used it but. I do not understand why it does not work for me |
| 15:40.28 | abrotman | lindylex: does it not start? does it not turn on your wifi? |
| 15:40.42 | Pete_B | why does Etch have both ndiswrapper-utils-1.1 and ndiswrapper-utils-1.9? |
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| 15:41.47 | lindylex | That is my question. It dissable my internet connection and I beleive it uninstalled knetwormanger which did work. And the there ethernet does not worlk |
| 15:41.48 | lindylex | abrotman: it does not turn on my wifi. |
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| 15:41.55 | dondelelcaro | Pete_B: because ndiswrapper-utils-1.1 is a dependency of ndiswrapper-modules-2.6.8-2-686, and ndiswrapper-utils-1.9 is the newest version |
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| 15:42.54 | Pete_B | dondelelcaro: great, thanks for that info |
| 15:44.56 | h3sp4wn | lindylex: are all the interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces hashed out (except lo) |
| 15:45.04 | h3sp4wn | lindylex: networkmanager does that |
| 15:45.52 | lindylex | h3sp4wn: I check that an enabled them. Previously I diaable them expect the one they suggested when using networkmanger. |
| 15:46.25 | lindylex | But my problem was with the password entering it all the time. So I went to Klan and bow I can not get back onilne |
| 15:47.00 | lindylex | So lo, eth0 and eth1 are now not commented out |
| 15:47.22 | lindylex | su |
| 15:47.26 | lindylex | su |
| 15:47.29 | lindylex | su |
| 15:47.33 | lindylex | sorry |
| 15:47.57 | lindylex | i siiting infront of two computers |
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| 15:48.32 | h3sp4wn | lindylex: I would read man wireless (if you are using wep) or /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz if you are using wpa |
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| 15:58.12 | tchmnkyz | hey all i am looking for a method to have 2 routers (linux boxen) and if the first one fails (dies) the second device will auto take its place... |
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| 15:58.50 | wols_ | heartbeat |
| 15:58.56 | tchmnkyz | ok |
| 15:59.13 | xingu | tchernaya: and vrrpd |
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| 16:00.12 | stew | tchmnkyz: have a look at http://www.linux-ha.org/ |
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| 16:00.32 | tchmnkyz | rgr |
| 16:00.37 | tchmnkyz | looking now thnx |
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| 16:03.56 | Pete_B | would it be a plausible use of ndiswrapper-utils to have ndiswrapper-utils-1.1 brought in as a dependency of ndiswrapper-modules but then manually install ndiswrapper-1.9 to update those utils? |
| 16:04.12 | kichik | hmm... my problem was already reported - http://bugs.debian.org/354544 |
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| 16:05.04 | ErichK | In Debian GNU/Linux 4.0r0 what does r0 stand for? |
| 16:05.28 | AciD | release #0 ? |
| 16:05.48 | stew | ErichK: its the 0th revision of the 4.0 release |
| 16:06.02 | ErichK | Ah |
| 16:07.21 | Pete_B | ahh, confusion, cos of a rogue 'sarge' in my sources.list. And to think, I'm writing documents based on this. Eek! |
| 16:07.39 | ErichK | Cheers for the help |
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| 16:10.07 | xingu | kichik: of course you could also take the view that anyone using isam without also taking at least a daily dump as a precautionary backup is taking their life in their hands anyway |
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| 16:11.25 | kichik | xingu: very helpful, thank you. |
| 16:11.34 | Pete_B | why does Etch have ndiswrapper-utils-1.1 if it's a dependency if the Sarge kernel module? |
| 16:12.01 | kichik | xingu: how about the view that debian 3.0 installed mysql-3.0 and always used isam as the default? |
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| 16:12.34 | xingu | kichik: you can't seriously be defending the idea of running mysql, using the isam driver, and having no backups? |
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| 16:13.30 | kichik | xingu: you can't seriously be flaming me for losing all my data |
| 16:13.31 | xingu | kichik: I know people do it, but it's synonymous with bleeding all the brake fluid out of an f40 |
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| 16:13.54 | kichik | xingu: it's a test server, but i'd still rather get it working than rebuild |
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| 16:14.40 | kichik | xingu: and if it's that bad, then upgrading to mysql4 or even 5 should automatically upgrade isam tables and not leave me dying like this |
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| 16:16.16 | xingu | kichik: the upgrade in that bug report actually left the old datafiles around with no mechanism to open them; is that the position you're in too, or has yours gone one better and blown away the data files too? |
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| 16:16.56 | kichik | xingu: data files still there, but the mysql database is isam as well so i can't even start-up mysqld |
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| 16:17.28 | kichik | xingu: just tried installing mysql4 on another windows machine and do the upgrade from there, but it fails loading the tables because, appearently, only debian had isam still enabled in 4 |
| 16:17.42 | xingu | kichik: oh, I realise there's a problem and I'm not for a second defending that it's an unfortunate mess and liable to cause #debian headaches over the next three months, but you gotta admit that it's scarcely best-practice dba'ing to wind up in the hole documented. |
| 16:17.45 | kichik | xingu: and no mysql 3 available for download |
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| 16:18.03 | xingu | kichik: gotcha |
| 16:18.29 | N`Kr1pt | hi guys, debian unstable will always be called sid right, so it doesn't matter if you put unstable or sid in sources.list? |
| 16:18.32 | xingu | kichik: oldstable chroot as a last resort then probably. |
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| 16:19.13 | xingu | kichik: nb the postgresql pre/postinsts have a habit of creating a dump prior to doing anything that creative |
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| 16:19.36 | maddog39 | hello, i just installed Debian 4 on my PowerBook G4 12" with desktop environment and everything |
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| 16:19.46 | maddog39 | but X was never configured, or configuration failed |
| 16:19.57 | maddog39 | so I ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and reconfigured |
| 16:20.02 | maddog39 | and X still doesnt start |
| 16:20.04 | Vultaire | N`Krlpt: I think you're right, but it's easy to see if you're wrong: if you go more than 24 hours w/o an update being available for "sid", then you know it's probably been frozen and unstable refers to something else :P |
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| 16:20.59 | Vultaire | N`Krlpt: but I've seen the "sid" config available for years now, so I doubt it'll be going away any time soon |
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| 16:21.34 | thug | hi all |
| 16:21.41 | thug | does anyone know how to start hal ? |
| 16:22.47 | phogg | thug: hald --daemon=yes, but probably your distor has a startup script for it somewhere. |
| 16:22.50 | N`Kr1pt | thug: /etc/init.d/hald start |
| 16:23.13 | kichik | xingu: any walkthrough on chroot oldstable? |
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| 16:24.09 | maddog39 | does anyone know how to fix Xorg on PowerPC? |
| 16:24.20 | maddog39 | no matter how i reconfigure it, it keeps failing to start |
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| 16:24.42 | thug | there is no such hald in /etc/init.d |
| 16:24.57 | Vultaire | dunno powerpc specifically... but how is it failing? can you give us an error message? |
| 16:25.05 | Vultaire | maddog39: |
| 16:25.15 | tchmnkyz | got a config for HA rather then a cluster i just want to if it can not ping a set ip it takes the ip and starts up where the other left off... |
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| 16:25.33 | tchmnkyz | i am not looking to cluster something just provide a backup path |
| 16:25.40 | h3sp4wn | kichik: have a look at one of the chroot guides for amd64 (the procedure is the same) and use sarge |
| 16:25.53 | maddog39 | Vultaire, let me get the error message |
| 16:26.12 | maddog39 | Vultaire, I just got finished installing it and first boot it immediatly fails to start GDM |
| 16:26.13 | xingu | kichik: debootstrap oldstable /some/path ? |
| 16:26.50 | kichik | xingu, h3sp4wn: thanks |
| 16:26.51 | xingu | kichik: in fact just look at the debootstrap manpage examples section |
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| 16:27.07 | Vultaire | maddog39: I've had my share of such failures - can't guarantee I can help, but we need at least an error message to start with |
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| 16:27.43 | xingu | kichik: it might be overkill, this is a last resort way to get enough of sarge together in one place to literally just run its mysql package. |
| 16:28.08 | xingu | kichik: might be simpler to get its mysql package source and just build it |
| 16:28.09 | ma3x | why from 32bit chroot I can't connect to my webserver (it says connection reset in firefox)? |
| 16:28.12 | maddog39 | Vultaire, I get "Fatal Server Error: caught signal 11. Server aborting.\n\n" then "XIO: fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer)..." |
| 16:28.17 | ma3x | and telnet closes my connection |
| 16:28.41 | kichik | xingu: building is always hell, i'd rather skip |
| 16:29.00 | xingu | ma3x: you probably want to use schroot so that the sysfs, devfs, and procfs are mounted correctly |
| 16:29.22 | ma3x | xingu, /home /tmp /dev and /proc are already mounted |
| 16:29.30 | ma3x | and I don't like schroot |
| 16:30.02 | Vultaire | maddog39: hrm... can you paste the contents of your /var/log/Xorg.0.log into a pastebin and give me the address? Example: http://pastebin.ca/ |
| 16:30.08 | xingu | ma3x: well, since you're the expert, I guess you get to diagnose the fault |
| 16:30.46 | maddog39 | Vultaire, how would I do that on my PowerBook with no GUI |
| 16:30.48 | Vultaire | maddog39: also, is this a fresh install, or did you perform some sort of upgrade recently? |
| 16:30.58 | maddog39 | Vultaire, nope this is a fresh install |
| 16:31.02 | ma3x | xingu, you don't know the solution yourself either |
| 16:31.26 | Vultaire | maddog39: console web browsers ;) |
| 16:31.32 | xingu | ma3x: I don't know the solution to /your/ problem, no, but my 32bit chroot works a treat. |
| 16:31.42 | Vultaire | but that might be a tad to ask... |
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| 16:32.20 | maddog39 | Vultaire, i guess its fine, installing links from the CD now |
| 16:32.22 | ma3x | xingu, the chroot works fine, iceweasel and skype are ok, but as I said telnet localhost 80 won't work from chroot, it closes my connection (im behind a router) |
| 16:32.23 | Vultaire | maddog39: anyway, I think I got signal 11 once as well, but in my case it was tied to me using Beryl as a window manager... not something that's the case on a fresh install |
| 16:32.42 | chrisjs169|afk | i'm trying to set up this computer as a router...got everything working except other computers can't connect to the 'net.....how can I get them to connect? |
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| 16:34.40 | ma3x | xingu, when I do from chroot 'telnet localhost 80' it connects , but telnet domain.com 80 won't |
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| 16:35.17 | ma3x | whatever i solved it |
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| 16:36.39 | maddog39 | Vultaire, ok i uploaded the log file via links but cant find out where to get it, i dont use pastebins usually |
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| 16:38.28 | maddog39 | Vultaire, ok got it nvm: http://pastebin.ca/497049 |
| 16:38.29 | Vultaire | maddog39: found it |
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| 16:39.42 | Vultaire | maddog39: actually, can I also see your /etc/X11/xorg.conf? |
| 16:39.51 | chrisjs169|afk | any ideas on my connection issue? the computers connecting to this one can access everything on the LAN, just not on the 'net, so I think iptables is blocking it.....how could I fix it? |
| 16:39.55 | maddog39 | Vultaire, sure one sec |
| 16:40.09 | juanma | Hi, does someone know about how to make automated installs of a debian system with some packages determined previously? |
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| 16:40.24 | Vultaire | maddog39: thanks... I only really see one lead that's apparent to me, and my gut is telling me it's gonna lead nowhere... but I'd like to check it out anyway |
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| 16:41.07 | xingu | juanma: dpkg --{get,set}-selections, apt-get -f install. |
| 16:41.09 | tarzeau | juanma: yes |
| 16:41.14 | maddog39 | Vultaire, http://pastebin.ca/497057 |
| 16:41.26 | Vultaire | maddog39: k... is this a laptop? |
| 16:41.28 | juanma | xingu, I mean modifying an installer |
| 16:41.39 | schoppenhauer | hello. why isnt there a package "mencoder" in the debian-tree, and why does the command "mencoder" not work, though there is a manpage and though mplayer is installed? what do I have to install? |
| 16:41.41 | maddog39 | Vultaire, yup a PowerBook G4 titanium |
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| 16:42.27 | schoppenhauer | and as this certainly has a reason: is there some converter from flv-files into Ogg Theora/Vorbis-Files for Debian? |
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| 16:43.15 | maddog39 | Vultaire, i was previously running Ubuntu Edgy without any problems on this laptop |
| 16:43.26 | valdyn | maddog39: you should have said no to the fb question |
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| 16:43.41 | maddog39 | valdyn, oh ok ill try that |
| 16:43.42 | Vultaire | maddog39: what valdyn said |
| 16:43.49 | xingu | !tell schoppenhauer about marillat |
| 16:43.54 | Vultaire | maddog39: I've also had problems with fb devices and nvidia cards using the nv driver |
| 16:44.26 | Vultaire | maddog39: try commenting that line out of the xorg.conf; that's your best bet (section "Device") |
| 16:44.29 | valdyn | !drxx maddog39 |
| 16:44.29 | dpkg | maddog39: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 16:44.36 | Vultaire | maddog39: Option "UseFBDev" "true" |
| 16:44.47 | chrisjs169|afk | i'm trying to set up this computer as a router...got everything working except other computers can't connect to the 'net.....how can I get them to connect? |
| 16:44.58 | valdyn | !ipmasq |
| 16:44.58 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), apt-get install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html |
| 16:44.59 | maddog39 | Vultaire, YEA! it works, turned kernel FB off and X starts |
| 16:45.08 | maddog39 | valdyn, thanks |
| 16:45.19 | valdyn | maddog39: kernel fb? |
| 16:45.27 | maddog39 | valdyn, frame buffer |
| 16:45.29 | mmlj4 | chrisjs169|afk: you need to turn on packet forwarding and set a masq rule via ipchains |
| 16:45.35 | mmlj4 | er, iptables |
| 16:45.43 | valdyn | maddog39: you mean you got rid of the nvidiafb modules? or did you actually fix xorg config |
| 16:45.44 | mike1o | !paste |
| 16:45.44 | dpkg | well, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC or if those are not working, ask me about <pastebin> for other options |
| 16:46.05 | maddog39 | valdyn, i ran dpkg-reconfigure and said no to "use kernel frame buffer" |
| 16:46.10 | valdyn | maddog39: ok |
| 16:46.30 | chrisjs169|afk | mmlj4: thought packet forwarding was on....cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward should return '1' right? |
| 16:46.34 | maddog39 | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 16:46.36 | Vultaire | maddog39: have fun =) gotta go... and thx valdyn for the dpkg-reconfigure tip; I don't often do things that way |
| 16:46.42 | mmlj4 | yes |
| 16:46.46 | maddog39 | Vultaire, thx for the help |
| 16:46.55 | Vultaire | np |
| 16:46.55 | valdyn | dpkg: drxx is also Say 'NO' to the framebuffer option. |
| 16:46.55 | dpkg | is also Say 'NO' to the framebuffer option.: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 16:47.02 | mmlj4 | then set a masq rule |
| 16:47.14 | mmlj4 | & |
| 16:47.30 | valdyn | !drxx |
| 16:47.31 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 16:47.34 | chrisjs169|afk | on which interface? the one connecting to the modem or the one going to the hub/other computer? |
| 16:47.34 | potolo | Hi. Lenny question. Why would "java --version" (or single-hyphen, sudo makes no difference) echo command not found? The sun-java6 stuff is all present; just re-installed it. Have the binary names changed? |
| 16:47.35 | valdyn | uh |
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| 16:47.42 | maddog39 | whats the difference between X.org and XFree86? anything? |
| 16:48.02 | valdyn | maddog39: xorg is a newer xfree86 |
| 16:48.09 | maddog39 | valdyn, aah |
| 16:48.13 | potolo | maddog39: yep, what he said |
| 16:48.20 | schoppenhauer | thank you |
| 16:48.31 | nmextr | xorg is xfree86 without all the developer drama |
| 16:48.32 | tarzeau | maddog39: xorg doesn't support anymore a driver that nobody cares about, which works w/ xfree86 |
| 16:48.33 | valdyn | maddog39: the namechange and mainainter change is caused by legal issues |
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| 16:48.42 | maddog39 | valdyn, im going to get on Xchat on my newly fixed PPC Debian install brb |
| 16:49.13 | potolo | Iceweasel keeps silently exiting on me because of this Sun java prob sniffle |
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| 16:49.16 | plb | argh gtk is broke in unstable |
| 16:49.21 | tarzeau | plb: so? |
| 16:49.23 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 16:49.23 | dpkg | hmm... sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 16:49.29 | valdyn | it is? |
| 16:49.41 | xingu | how can you tell </sarky> |
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| 16:49.46 | tarzeau | i'm so glad dpkg -l | grep gtk returns nothing on my systems (once again) |
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| 16:50.46 | xingu | tarzeau: upstream will never ever take your grep patches you know ;) |
| 16:50.49 | chrisjs169|afk | mmlj4: on which interface? the one connecting to the modem or the one going to the hub/other computer? |
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| 16:51.07 | maddog39_ | ok im on my PowerBook |
| 16:51.14 | tarzeau | xingu: i really don't have any gtk or qt software! |
| 16:51.28 | xingu | tarzeau: how about glib though? :) |
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| 16:51.57 | tarzeau | xingu: yes i have that, but that has nothing to do with gui |
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| 16:52.57 | kiba | crapzilla |
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| 16:53.12 | kiba | I have completely nuke my system to the point of unusuable |
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| 16:55.40 | itchi | My icon trouble is fixed, the theme i used in gnome have some troubles with the icons. But it only affected all non gnome DE and WM's. I changed from theme, and have set it to the original one i used and the icons are all back. Weird |
| 16:55.47 | killerstorm | helo. i have a question about umask. i want scp to copy files with 664 rights, but it copies with 644. i think umask on the box i'm copying to affects it (022 is default umask). but how should i change it? |
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| 16:58.42 | killerstorm | ah, situation is more complex -- scp is called by darcs, that doesn't have a way to pass adtnl params, so i need it to change default behavious :( |
| 16:59.01 | phogg | killerstorm: sucky. umask is indeed the answer |
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| 16:59.36 | phogg | umask 002 should giv eyou 664 |
| 17:00.30 | phogg | as to how to change it.. that's trickier. I'm not sure what scp looks at when setting up its environment |
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| 17:01.08 | killerstorm | any ideas how to ask system re-read login.defs? |
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| 17:02.56 | adam0509 | do someone know how to make always apt ask Y/N for installing package ? |
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| 17:03.01 | adam0509 | apt-get |
| 17:03.14 | adam0509 | something like apt-get install numlockx -ask |
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| 17:03.58 | garo | I need to make a backup of a running system. What would you use ? rsync, tar or something else ? |
| 17:04.12 | rokra | garo: me I m using rsync |
| 17:04.26 | h3sp4wn | adam0509: just use -s (simulate) and then use it again if you accept |
| 17:04.29 | rokra | garo: what do you mean by running system? |
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| 17:05.19 | garo | a system that's turned on, but not many services running |
| 17:05.54 | rokra | garo: with rsync I save some data but not all the disk |
| 17:06.10 | rokra | I m doing rsync of the /var/www/ and other folder |
| 17:06.29 | garo | i want to make a backup of the whole system |
| 17:07.07 | rokra | garo: raid |
| 17:07.13 | garo | but i can't turn it off and boot it with a live-cd and make the backup (like i normally do) |
| 17:07.30 | valdyn | garo: mondo |
| 17:07.57 | garo | the system is in my lan and i'm in a other city (ssh) |
| 17:08.00 | kiba | my debian system is practically unrepairable |
| 17:08.04 | kiba | I simply can't install kde |
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| 17:08.10 | garo | valdyn: wtf is mondo ? |
| 17:08.36 | valdyn | garo: look it up. |
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| 17:11.02 | garo | http://www.mondorescue.org/ ? |
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| 17:12.01 | valdyn | garo: yes |
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| 17:13.25 | garo | xitron: 'llo |
| 17:13.48 | xitron | garo, hey |
| 17:14.09 | xitron | garo, long time ago I see you! |
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| 17:14.37 | NLoRD | do you know any cloning tool for linux, something similar to symantec ghost or acronis true image, which can support full harddisk backup and has network support? |
| 17:14.44 | xitron | garo, how are you?!? |
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| 17:15.09 | xitron | nederlands ok? |
| 17:15.11 | abrotman | NLoRD: apt-cache search ? |
| 17:15.18 | garo | probably not |
| 17:15.26 | xitron | ok :-( |
| 17:16.10 | valdyn | kiba: why tell us? unrepairable -> just reinstall |
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| 17:16.47 | kiba | valdyn: big loss of personal data :( |
| 17:16.56 | abrotman | backup ? |
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| 17:18.54 | kiba | I don't do backup |
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| 17:20.25 | abrotman | oh .. so sad |
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| 17:21.12 | omry | tragic. even/ |
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| 17:25.59 | phogg | Debian's popularity is so hard to guage. Some days it seems like nobody uses it, some days it seems like everybody does. |
| 17:26.19 | Vasistha | well, if you're gauging based only on irc traffic! |
| 17:26.31 | phogg | s/guage/gauge/ |
| 17:26.42 | phogg | Vasistha: which of course I am. |
| 17:26.43 | yoshio | adam0509: try aptitude -P install numlockx -ask |
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| 17:27.08 | simonrvn | phogg: useless. that's not good statistical technique |
| 17:27.59 | phogg | simonrvn: I'm not doing statistics, I'm doing advocacy. Some days I say "Use debian for that" and everyone roundly shouts me down, some days I say it and everyone says "Yeah, Debian's the best!" |
| 17:28.07 | abrotman | though .. at some point .. you might be able to use iceweasel stats to have some kind of gauge for desktop users .. |
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| 17:28.09 | h3sp4wn | kiba: it its that important don't use sid or make backups (or both) |
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| 17:28.50 | kiba | h3sp4wn: I Like Latest Package |
| 17:28.50 | sepski | phogg, these numbers are the very minimum; the real numer is probably much higer. http://popcon.debian.org/ |
| 17:29.05 | Vasistha | wtf ... my aspell dictionary doesn't have 'gauge' ?! |
| 17:29.24 | phogg | sepski: yes, I am familiar with that. It does seem extremely minimal... is popcon installed by default? That would help. |
| 17:29.35 | phogg | and also piss of some users. |
| 17:29.54 | phogg | Vasistha: dict (-: |
| 17:30.07 | sepski | phogg, install a software that phones home as default , think not :) |
| 17:30.15 | Vasistha | phogg: yeah, I eventually resorted to dict, but that doesn't make me feel any better about aspell! |
| 17:30.20 | mmlj4 | chrisjs169|brb: the external interface |
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| 17:33.00 | phogg | Vasistha: looking in /usr/share/dict/ I find it in the british and canadian dictionaries, but not american english. That's a bit odd. |
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| 17:34.20 | Vasistha | erm, *gypped |
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| 17:36.34 | kichik | xingu: thanks, all tables converted using debootstrap |
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| 17:37.13 | amerej | while im changing my wireless card to ad-hoc it keeps rechanged to managed after 2-3 minutes is there any dameon wich could cause that ? |
| 17:37.16 | nmextr | how do i automatically startx immediately after logging in at a terminal? |
| 17:38.01 | abrotman | then why not just use gdm/xdm/kdm ? |
| 17:38.09 | Vasistha | nmextr: you want to do a terminal login, and then startx ? Why not do a graphical login? |
| 17:38.33 | nmextr | abrotman, Vasistha; i don't want to use a display manager if at all possible |
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| 17:38.53 | abrotman | nmextr: but you want to start X as soon as you login .. what's the difference ? |
| 17:38.58 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
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| 17:39.22 | HardDisk_WP | is there a way to switch beryl off without having to re-login? |
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| 17:39.56 | Yeti_ | Has anyone here used synergy before? |
| 17:39.56 | Vasistha | nmextr: may I ask why not? |
| 17:39.58 | magyar | hi, i have an issue where wma files crushing kmail. Why would this occur? |
| 17:40.01 | Vasistha | !anyone |
| 17:40.01 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 17:40.35 | amerej | while im changing my wireless card to ad-hoc it keeps rechanged to managed after 2-3 minutes is there any dameon wich could cause that ? |
| 17:40.38 | Vasistha | magyar: good question for #kde actually :P |
| 17:40.51 | Yeti_ | I'm trying to set up synergy, but I can't seem to find a way to tell the primary server executable (synergyc) where to find the conf file I've written for it. I have the parameters in my clipboard, and I'd love some help if anyone knows what they're doing with it. :P |
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| 17:42.05 | magyar | Vasistha: tried that, so far nada |
| 17:42.28 | Vasistha | magyar: hmm, just be patient, and ask again in 30 minutes if noone has responded :P |
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| 17:42.41 | Yeti_ | Anyone at all? No one's used synergy with debian before? Really, with any distribution, the configuration should be similar. :/ |
| 17:42.48 | Vasistha | !wait |
| 17:42.48 | dpkg | If noone has answered your question to your satisfaction, please wait 10 minutes before asking again. Please don't whine about your problem, about the channel, about debian, linux, or anything else. Just wait 10 minutes and then ask again. Also see <repeat> and <ask> |
| 17:43.12 | magyar | Vasistha: hmm, i find kmail to be quite a bit buggy as an imap client |
| 17:43.22 | Vasistha | magyar: ahh, yeah, it is. |
| 17:43.53 | Vasistha | magyar: esp. locally cached imap. there's a known bug where it has *deleted* everything on the server when doing locally cached imap. very bad. |
| 17:43.53 | Yeti_ | >.> |
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| 17:44.05 | gkahla | Do I need to install the Samba server just to have Etch mount a Samba share on boot? |
| 17:44.46 | Vasistha | Yeti_: have you read the manpage? Does it say anything about the default config file? have you done a dpkg -c on the .deb file to see if there's a default config? Have you looked in /etc ? |
| 17:44.52 | abrotman | gkahla: smbclient |
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| 17:44.58 | magyar | Vasistha: that is why i don't use "localy cached", but now when it pols the server many times it pols one mail four times |
| 17:45.17 | gkahla | abrotman - thanks; I'll man it out from there. kinda what I thought... |
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| 17:45.33 | geemark | how do I tell my imapd, that it should use the "~/.mail" folder for imap folders, and not "~" |
| 17:45.35 | Vasistha | magyar: yeah ... like I said at first, "yeah it is" [buggy] |
| 17:45.36 | gkahla | maybe apt-get some smbfs, too... |
| 17:45.45 | Yeti_ | man page works. I'm looking at it now, I'm sorry, I have no idea how I could forget such an elementary step... thanks. :) |
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| 17:52.00 | scud_ | hello, i need help installing ATI drivers? |
| 17:52.09 | sn0 | do you scud ? |
| 17:52.13 | scud_ | yep |
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| 17:52.28 | sn0 | what help do you need, try elaborating more on your problem |
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| 17:52.57 | Vasistha | !ati |
| 17:52.57 | dpkg | Want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz Try to avoid using ati's stuff directy unless you have to. --- I've heard the driver control panel app needs 32bit libs to compile under 64b |
| 17:53.00 | scud_ | sn0: i need to install the drivers for my card, X1950 |
| 17:53.10 | agent | Why does compiling with g++ work using old style #include <iostream.h> but not using <iostream>? What am I missing? |
| 17:53.42 | sn0 | if you are using etch scud im not sure that the fglrx-driver (8.28.8-4) is new enough to support the x1950 |
| 17:53.56 | sn0 | checking |
| 17:54.16 | scud_ | sn0: so i should use sarge? |
| 17:54.31 | sn0 | scud no, sarge is older + doesn't have fglrx-driver built |
| 17:54.37 | scud_ | oh |
| 17:54.50 | martiancode | folks when I try to run vmware then browse for the iso image of the CD I'm going to boot from "browsing for files generally" I get the following error |
| 17:54.51 | Yeti_ | I'm getting the following error when I try to associate my .conf file with the synergy server executable. |
| 17:54.51 | Yeti_ | synergys: unrecognized option `synergy.conf' |
| 17:54.51 | Yeti_ | Try `synergys --help' for more information. |
| 17:54.52 | Yeti_ | yeti@debian:~/conf$ synergys -f --config synergy.conf |
| 17:54.52 | Yeti_ | INFO: synergys.cpp,1042: Synergy server 1.3.1 on Linux 2.6.18-4-686 #1 SMP Mon Mar 26 17:17:36 UTC 2007 i686 |
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| 17:54.53 | martiancode | (vmware:666): libgnomevfs-WARNING **: Cannot load module `/usr/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/modules/libfile.so' (/usr/lib/vmware/lib/libgcc_s.so.1/libgcc_s.so.1: version `GCC_4.2.0' not found (required by /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6)) |
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| 17:54.55 | Yeti_ | DEBUG: synergys.cpp,1051: opening configuration "synergy.conf" |
| 17:54.57 | Yeti_ | ERROR: synergys.cpp,1068: cannot read configuration "synergy.conf": read error: line 2: argument before first screen |
| 17:55.00 | Yeti_ | synergys: no configuration available |
| 17:55.02 | Vasistha | Yeti_: stop flooding |
| 17:55.03 | sn0 | !pastebin |
| 17:55.04 | dpkg | hmm... pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.ca/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 17:55.08 | Vasistha | Yeti_: and turn off that auto-join |
| 17:55.08 | Yeti_ | It was obviously a mistake on my part. |
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| 17:55.43 | Yeti_ | I'll turn off auto join if you start showing some basic sense of politeness. :) |
| 17:55.49 | sn0 | hmm scud i am unable to find a supported card list with that version |
| 17:55.56 | scud_ | sn0: si i'm outta luck then? |
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| 17:56.10 | sn0 | so try as dpkg said above , if that doesn't work then either grab the drivers from amd/ati's site, or look for newer packaged fglrx-driver |
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| 17:56.19 | Yeti_ | Anyway, has anyone seen that error before? I'd be happy to share my .conf file if anyone would like to take a look through it. |
| 17:56.27 | Vasistha | scud_: more likely the thing to do is a simple sid backport or some such |
| 17:56.44 | Vasistha | Yeti_: why don't you put it in a pastebin so it's easier for us to read? |
| 17:56.55 | scud_ | Vasistha: ? |
| 17:57.07 | Yeti_ | Never used it before, let me check... |
| 17:57.11 | Vasistha | !tell scud_ about simple sid backport |
| 17:57.26 | Yeti_ | !tell Yeti_ about pastebin |
| 17:57.58 | Vasistha | !tell yeti_ -about msg the bot |
| 17:58.01 | Yeti_ | Cool. Thanks. I'll upload that. |
| 17:58.26 | Yeti_ | !tell Vasistha lawlz |
| 17:58.29 | scud_ | Vasistha: ok i got the info, i'll try that |
| 17:58.29 | Yeti_ | xD |
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| 17:58.58 | scud_ | isnt sid an older version of debian, before sarge? |
| 17:59.17 | Vasistha | scud_: no, sid is "still in development" -- it is always the newest bleeding edge stuff |
| 17:59.27 | Vasistha | scud_: (although not quite so new or bleeding edge as some other distros) |
| 17:59.35 | scud_ | Vasistha: i didnt know that |
| 17:59.53 | scud_ | Vasistha: i'll give it a shot : ) |
| 18:00.00 | Vasistha | scud_: heh, thus your question? :) There's a web page about this stuff somewhere |
| 18:00.10 | Vasistha | sid |
| 18:00.12 | Vasistha | !sid |
| 18:00.12 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 18:00.34 | Vasistha | scud_: you probably don't actually want to use sid, unless you don't mind having your system break. and, sid is not officially supported in here. |
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| 18:01.31 | rique | hello! |
| 18:01.40 | Yeti_ | Nothing is officially supported in here, Vasistha, this is unofficial support... xD |
| 18:01.50 | sn0 | ah scud , it seems 8.32.5 supports your x1950 |
| 18:01.52 | Vasistha | Yeti_: well, yes and no! ;) |
| 18:01.56 | Yeti_ | heheh. |
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| 18:02.20 | sn0 | which sid does not have available unfortunately |
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| 18:02.26 | rique | i was looking for a way to install my camera on Debian |
| 18:02.43 | rique | i'm searching in google for 15 days... |
| 18:02.46 | rique | 0.0 |
| 18:02.51 | sn0 | a version that supports your card, is available from 'experimental' but im not sure i would recommend that |
| 18:02.56 | zinx | rique: generally just install ghoto2/gtkam/gthumb/whatever will import them |
| 18:03.02 | Vasistha | rique: have you plugged it in and checked dmesg and lspci / lsusb ? |
| 18:03.06 | sn0 | rique what does your messages.log say when you plug in the camera |
| 18:03.12 | rique | yes... |
| 18:03.30 | rique | i installed spca5xx |
| 18:03.33 | sn0 | scud i hate to recommend it but it looks like you will need to grab the driver from ati.com :/ |
| 18:03.36 | rique | but nothing happens |
| 18:03.46 | sn0 | and linux-headers for your installed kernel (to let it build correctly) |
| 18:04.03 | zinx | video or still camera o_O? |
| 18:04.09 | rique | video |
| 18:04.13 | rique | a webcamera |
| 18:04.15 | zinx | ah |
| 18:04.34 | zinx | those can be more difficult :D |
| 18:04.35 | h3sp4wn | scud_: If you have to use the drivers from ati.com - at least make it generate deb's |
| 18:04.37 | rique | i`m using Debian for 15 days |
| 18:04.43 | rique | and felt in love for the system |
| 18:04.44 | Vasistha | scud_: so given that sid doesn't even have what you need, you might consider using ati's drivers ... but beware, they might not treat your system too nicely :P Or, you might compile 8.32.5 sources yourself, and install with dpkg-buildpackage ... this stuff gets tricky kinda quickly, unfortunately ... running cutting edge hardware is not for the faint at heart |
| 18:05.04 | zinx | and there are many that aren't supported |
| 18:05.05 | rique | the only thing that makes me keep windows in the HD is the webcamera |
| 18:05.15 | sn0 | https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/linux_8.32.5.html fyi |
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| 18:05.24 | Vasistha | rique: it's not a phillips, is it? |
| 18:06.07 | rique | Bus 001 Device 002: ID 06a2:6810 Topro Technology, Inc. |
| 18:06.31 | Yeti_ | Here's a summary of my synergy problems. Thanks in advance for the help. :) |
| 18:06.32 | Yeti_ | http://paste.debian.net/28351 |
| 18:06.39 | zinx | heh, that one isn't even on google :) |
| 18:07.17 | g3brown | When you initial setup Debian, you have a list that you can put little astericks in. Afterwards you can install them by some commandline. What is it? You can also use a similiar command to display what individual items will be installed. |
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| 18:07.45 | g3brown | i.e. File Server, Desktop Enviroment. |
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| 18:09.31 | Yeti_ | g3brown, it does have a name, though I can't remember it... either way, it's only on the debian cd, and part of the install. |
| 18:09.41 | Yeti_ | It's something like dselect. I don't remember the exact name. :P |
| 18:09.56 | petemc | tasksel? |
| 18:10.03 | Yeti_ | perfect. |
| 18:10.08 | Yeti_ | g3brown, it's tasksel. |
| 18:10.18 | Vasistha | Yeti_: are you sure your .conf syntax is correct? looking at http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/running.html there is a colon following screen1: and screen2: in section: screens ... also, is section: screens on the first line of the .conf? |
| 18:10.22 | Yeti_ | And it's not just on the cd, that's my mistake... |
| 18:10.41 | Yeti_ | Vasistha, yes. I should probably paste the example conf as well, let me go ahead and do that now... |
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| 18:10.57 | g3brown | Yeti_: Thanks! |
| 18:11.21 | g3brown | Yeti_: Debian works so good, I forget the commands by the time I have to use them again. hehe |
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| 18:11.55 | Yeti_ | heheh, thank petemc, not me. ^.^ But you're welcome. |
| 18:12.25 | Yeti_ | Vasistha, http://paste.debian.net/28352. That's the example conf that comes with synergy. |
| 18:12.37 | g3brown | petemc: thanks! |
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| 18:13.35 | donaldo | anyone here have any experience with azureus? |
| 18:13.53 | Yeti_ | donaldo, a bit, but have you tried utorrent? |
| 18:14.16 | Yeti_ | !anyone |
| 18:14.17 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 18:14.26 | donaldo | Yeti_: no, i haven't. i've really only used the official client, bittornado, and azureus |
| 18:14.54 | Yeti_ | You should try utorrent. It can do almost everything azureus can, is skinnable, and takes up far less system resources. There's even an install free version. :) |
| 18:15.00 | donaldo | fair point. my issue is that Azureus in Etch depends on X. I don't want X, i just want to run Azureus with other non-x-based front-ends. |
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| 18:15.07 | Yeti_ | Ahh. |
| 18:15.15 | sn0 | utorrent runs only through wine ? |
| 18:15.31 | sn0 | wine/cedega |
| 18:15.37 | rique | fellows... |
| 18:15.45 | Yeti_ | I haven't even attempted to run it in linux. That would be dissapointing if it was wine/cedega compatible only, though.. :( |
| 18:15.46 | Supaplex | rtorrent > windows |
| 18:15.52 | Yeti_ | Supaplex, heheh. |
| 18:15.57 | sn0 | check their site Yeti_ , i believe its windows only |
| 18:16.02 | sn0 | *but works through wine |
| 18:16.05 | Vasistha | Yeti_: I still notice that your synergy.conf does not have colons following the screen names in the first section |
| 18:16.06 | Yeti_ | sn0, I think you're right, actually... I'll check it. |
| 18:16.06 | rique | anyone who could help me to install the webcamera? |
| 18:16.14 | h3sp4wn | rtorrent is not very compatible (at least the version in etch) often fails |
| 18:16.15 | sn0 | if you use kde then it is a sort of utorrent clone, personally i use az/rtorrent/torrentflux |
| 18:16.32 | Supaplex | it works better than ktorrent :P |
| 18:16.38 | yigal | Yeti_: bittornado is awesome with its curses cli |
| 18:16.52 | Yeti_ | heh |
| 18:16.58 | yigal | 0 resources |
| 18:17.15 | sn0 | torrentflux is like a front end to bittornada/bittorrent |
| 18:17.20 | sn0 | but more for multiple users |
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| 18:18.15 | donaldo | i think torrentflux violates the gpl |
| 18:18.33 | abrotman | how is that ? |
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| 18:18.43 | sn0 | how so donaldo ? there are debian packages available |
| 18:18.51 | h3sp4wn | Supaplex: I use it but sometimes it doesn't work (but I don't use torrents very much at all) |
| 18:18.52 | donaldo | the author distributes "pre-release" or "beta" versions of the software to people who have made donations |
| 18:19.03 | Yeti_ | Vasistha, you're right about the colons... good catch. :) Let me try it again now... |
| 18:19.12 | h3sp4wn | donaldo: that is not against the gpl |
| 18:19.22 | zinx | donaldo: that doesn't violate it. but those people can redistribute, and are entiled to source code |
| 18:19.22 | sn0 | donaldo im not sure that is against the gpl, im no lawyer however |
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| 18:19.27 | abrotman | donaldo: why would you think that violates the GPL ? |
| 18:19.41 | Supaplex | when I screen -r in konqueror TERM=xterm-color, and backspace acts like delete. but on the console, TERM=linux and backspace works fine. what gives? |
| 18:20.02 | donaldo | hmm, i suppose in the strictest sense that isn't in violation of the GPL |
| 18:20.09 | donaldo | but it's certainly in poor spirit |
| 18:20.27 | Yeti_ | I think it's going to work! :) |
| 18:20.29 | sn0 | has the freedom to so why not :) |
| 18:20.29 | donaldo | i haven't looked too closely, but he got very angry at me when i kindly pointed out how suspicious-looking it was |
| 18:20.42 | h3sp4wn | donaldo: As long as it is not a derivative work of anything (unlikely though) he can do as he wishes with his code |
| 18:20.45 | donaldo | sn0: having the freedom to do something is not a good reason to do it |
| 18:20.59 | sn0 | why not if you are not breaking any rules donaldo |
| 18:21.07 | donaldo | h3sp4wn: yeah that IS true, however i believe his code depends on the azureus source code |
| 18:21.08 | mnvl_ | the pre-defined macro $(PWD) returns the present working dir in make, but as blank string if you do 'sudo make' isn't this a bug?? |
| 18:21.19 | Yeti_ | Can anyone tell me how to add synergy to the startup processes? |
| 18:21.26 | abrotman | donaldo: see win32 xchat |
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| 18:21.36 | sn0 | win32 xchat is a good example |
| 18:21.38 | donaldo | h3sp4wn: i'm not sure how the torrentflux--azureus bridge is linked, and whether or not that constitutes "derivative work" |
| 18:21.43 | donaldo | abrotman: what's that? |
| 18:21.55 | sn0 | as there are silverx and other builds that are not trials after 30 days on win |
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| 18:22.08 | Vasistha | Yeti_: great! |
| 18:22.10 | abrotman | donaldo: it's the win32 build of xchat ? |
| 18:22.15 | yigal | mnvl_: the variable I believe isn't set in sudo ? |
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| 18:22.25 | donaldo | abrotman: what do you want me to see about it? |
| 18:22.31 | abrotman | nevermind .. forget it |
| 18:22.36 | yigal | mnvl_: for instance try "sudo echo $PATH" |
| 18:22.39 | abrotman | !tell root___ about root |
| 18:22.40 | Vasistha | Yeti_: hum, re: startup processes -- ls /etc/init.d and see if there's a script in there for it |
| 18:22.50 | Yeti_ | Vasistha, kk, thanks much :) |
| 18:23.01 | yigal | mnvl_: it is rather different most likely than just "echo $PATH" |
| 18:23.29 | Yeti_ | Vasistha, you're part of the staff here, right? |
| 18:23.35 | h3sp4wn | mnvl_: The debian sudo strips alot of environment variables not sure whether $(PWD) is one |
| 18:23.52 | Vasistha | Yeti_: no ... is there a staff? |
| 18:24.16 | Yeti_ | I just assumed... from your vhost... :P |
| 18:24.20 | h3sp4wn | mnvl_: use $(pwd) |
| 18:24.41 | Supaplex | make PWD=`pwd` |
| 18:24.52 | sn0 | donaldo i believe steve holt packages torrentflux for debian (not sure) and he posts on torrentflux forums quite a bit, if you wanted clarification you could check there |
| 18:24.54 | Vasistha | Yeti_: that's just a freenode thing -- anyone can get a cloak. There are instructions for it on the freenode website |
| 18:25.07 | yigal | Supaplex: that is just confusing |
| 18:25.18 | mnvl_ | this is all very well, would it not be nicer if the $PWD was conserved? |
| 18:25.19 | Supaplex | hey, it's not my makefile. :P |
| 18:25.30 | yigal | mnvl_: I believe this is possible |
| 18:25.31 | donaldo | sn0: steve holt? like arnett's bastard son in arrested development? |
| 18:25.33 | Yeti_ | Vasistha, nice. Thanks. I never come on here, I help to moderate my own server. |
| 18:25.37 | Supaplex | mnvl_: sure, along with LD_PRELOAD to huh? ;) |
| 18:25.51 | yigal | mnvl_: there are many features of sudo, that will retain the users variables |
| 18:25.59 | sn0 | ahh actually its Cameron Dale, but i did notice the nick steveholt on torrentflux forums before |
| 18:26.05 | h3sp4wn | mnvl_: sudo env (thas is what you get by default) |
| 18:26.11 | yigal | mnvl_: I haven't done my research here though, but I did read on it a while ago |
| 18:26.32 | h3sp4wn | mnvl_: debian's sudo does act in a non standard way - there a bug report about it |
| 18:27.03 | Yeti_ | Whoa. ChanServ, opped and in a channel... heheh. Never thought I'd see that one. Where are nickserv and God? xD |
| 18:27.18 | Supaplex | !seen God |
| 18:27.18 | dpkg | god <i=SLLs_esL@201008066220.user.veloxzone.com.br> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 500d 1h 38m 25s ago, saying: 'is it true that debian can be used for web servers??'. |
| 18:27.31 | donaldo | sn0: i may do that some time, a bit too busy at the moment |
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| 18:27.39 | yigal | h3sp4wn: however sudo has similar problems in the "derived" OS ubuntu |
| 18:27.43 | kth`` | I thought god knew everything >_> |
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| 18:27.56 | h3sp4wn | yigal: That is to be expected |
| 18:28.01 | Supaplex | kth``: we have an imposter eh? :) |
| 18:28.16 | Yeti_ | hahaha |
| 18:28.17 | donaldo | kth``: there's a subtle distinction between knowing everything and making everything up as you go along |
| 18:28.22 | yigal | h3sp4wn: yes but they use sudo left and right by default -- kind of funny that there are so many bugs associated with it |
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| 18:28.32 | Raim | hi |
| 18:28.36 | Vasistha | Yeti_: #freenode-social is a good place to hang out and ask about the freenode policies ... at least, it was sometime last year. although you have to wait for voice :P |
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| 18:28.53 | h3sp4wn | yigal: For my usage it works perfectly |
| 18:29.20 | Yeti_ | Vasistha, I will never get voice, I have no desire for it, and to be honest, I don't even really like freenode that much. Every now and again I need some help with something, and I pop on here to consult the more experienced. |
| 18:30.24 | RichiH | hrm, aptitude seems to be determind to remove my unused applications such as gimp.. |
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| 18:31.09 | valdyn | RichiH: wouldnt remove gimp for that reason |
| 18:31.17 | valdyn | RichiH: at least i think no app would pull gimp as dependency |
| 18:31.36 | alexIdoia | hi there, I can't restart my laptop, it says ata1: port failed to respond, it looks likeI have some kinda shell like a rescue one, what can I do ? |
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| 18:31.42 | valdyn | RichiH: or does 'gnome' ( the package? ) |
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| 18:32.02 | valdyn | alexIdoia: broken harddisk? |
| 18:32.06 | RichiH | valdyn: gnome the package |
| 18:32.20 | alexIdoia | valdyn: don't say that, its a laptop |
| 18:32.25 | alexIdoia | with all my data in it |
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| 18:32.45 | valdyn | alexIdoia: that'll happen at some point anyway, better now than later , i guess |
| 18:32.47 | alexIdoia | fsck died with status 4 |
| 18:32.50 | valdyn | alexIdoia: so restore from backup |
| 18:33.01 | Raim | how can I get the dpkg-dist version of /etc/mysql/my.cnf? I reinstalled mysql-server-5.0, mysql-client-5.0 and mysql-common, but it does not restore it... |
| 18:33.24 | yigal | mnvl_: try sudo with the "-i" option |
| 18:33.26 | alexIdoia | valdyn: so how can I retrieve my data and what are my options ? |
| 18:33.39 | valdyn | alexIdoia: i dont know yet what's wrong with your harddisk |
| 18:33.46 | valdyn | alexIdoia: boot a livecd and inspect it |
| 18:33.51 | Raim | dpkg -S /etc/mysql/my.cnf says the file belongs to mysql-common |
| 18:33.51 | dpkg | Package: /etc/mysql/my.cnf says the file belongs to mysql-common: Status: install ok installed |
| 18:34.33 | Yeti_ | alexIdoia, remove the hard disk from the laptop, put it in the freezer, get the necessary cables or an enclosure, remove it from the freezer, hook it up to a linux box, retrieve the data, buy a new harddrive, replace data. A pain, but not the end of the world. |
| 18:34.34 | alexIdoia | valdyn: I can logged as root |
| 18:34.37 | alexIdoia | log |
| 18:34.55 | Supaplex | Raim: daily scripts need that to reload mysql, so the password is lost now. you'll have to reset that to (in mysql) |
| 18:34.59 | alexIdoia | Yeti_: freezer ? |
| 18:35.06 | Raim | Supaplex: I know that. |
| 18:35.09 | Yeti_ | Yeah. I know it sounds weird, but... it works :P |
| 18:35.13 | valdyn | alexIdoia: run fsck on that root disk, it should be mounted ro for that, and should already be ro |
| 18:35.18 | Raim | Supaplex: but I don't have any config file now... |
| 18:35.21 | valdyn | alexIdoia: err, root partition.. |
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| 18:35.22 | Yeti_ | It tightens the material in a hard drive, and greatly assists with data recovery. |
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| 18:35.37 | Raim | Supaplex: I thought it would be automatically reinstalled if I reinstall the packages |
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| 18:35.43 | alexIdoia | valdyn: well apparently I also have access to my /home which is a good news |
| 18:36.00 | alexIdoia | so I do the necessary back up and I come back to you |
| 18:36.03 | Supaplex | Raim: config files are only removed on purge, if you deleted it, packages believe that's intentional and should remain deleted |
| 18:36.06 | Yeti_ | It was #freenode-social |
| 18:36.19 | Yeti_ | Wrong window, I apologize. |
| 18:36.20 | Raim | Supaplex: and there is no option to force the restore? |
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| 18:36.28 | Supaplex | !confmiss |
| 18:36.29 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
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| 18:37.08 | valdyn | one day someone will write a patch to make this easily accessible to noobs, this question comes way to often |
| 18:37.22 | Raim | Supaplex: that worked, thanks a lot |
| 18:37.24 | Supaplex | Raim: As a precaution, before you do anything drastic (like purging, or wiping out your sql databases), backup /var/lib/mysql* |
| 18:37.25 | alexIdoia | hi, I have limited command, ie, I don't have scp to back up my file |
| 18:37.36 | Supaplex | Raim: np |
| 18:37.56 | Raim | Supaplex: yep, I already made backups before messing around :) |
| 18:38.16 | Supaplex | good boy |
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| 18:38.25 | Supaplex | :) |
| 18:38.27 | alexIdoia | valdyn: I am then doing a manual fsck |
| 18:38.38 | alexIdoia | valdyn: is that what you advise ? |
| 18:38.49 | valdyn | alexIdoia: after the backup yes |
| 18:39.09 | valdyn | alexIdoia: but that error you got doesnt mean that much to me except that it sounds like a hardware issue, i'd have to see it completely |
| 18:39.18 | alexIdoia | valdyn: I don't see how I can back up since I don't have scp command |
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| 18:39.35 | valdyn | alexIdoia: boot a livecd |
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| 18:39.48 | Supaplex | !debian live |
| 18:39.50 | alexIdoia | valdyn: which I don't have ok, an iso ? |
| 18:39.55 | Supaplex | !debian-live |
| 18:39.56 | dpkg | from memory, debian-live is in live-helper. make-live is a utility to build Debian Live systems. It takes a Debian mirror as an input and outputs a live system image (ISO image for CDs and DVDs, or tarball for netboot). make-live is still in the early stage of development, but has basic functionality and can be run successfully. Homepage: http://live.debian.net/ |
| 18:40.19 | valdyn | alexIdoia: or do an ftp upload.. |
| 18:40.26 | valdyn | alexIdoia: there's so many options |
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| 18:40.41 | Supaplex | alexIdoia: there's a debian live cd image there, if you don't have one. you can even install packages in the live session (only limited by ram) |
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| 18:43.30 | Vasistha | RichiH: when you first run aptitude, you have to go through and mark a whole bunch of stuff as "manually installed" rather than "automatically installed" ... you can filter your list ('l') for automatically installed packages with '~M' ... or even just filter it for packages marked for removal ... or both. /usr/share/aptitude/README is great. |
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| 18:44.05 | alexIdoia | valdyn: I launched a fsck before and it now says: Inode 359099 has imagic flag set. Clear (y) ? should I do it ? It won't erase anything right ? |
| 18:44.11 | maddog39_ | hallo |
| 18:44.22 | maddog39_ | just got my airport extreme card working |
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| 18:45.21 | alexIdoia | valdyn: ? |
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| 18:48.04 | donaldo | madd_matt_: under debian? |
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| 18:53.14 | alexIdoia | Supaplex: I am at http://live.debian.net/ I can't find the iso image for the CD |
| 18:54.00 | Supaplex | alexIdoia: everything's been moved around. try #debian-live |
| 18:54.05 | Supaplex | on freshmeat |
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| 18:54.42 | alexIdoia | Supaplex: nobody there |
| 18:55.06 | Supaplex | you're on freenode, I said freshmeat. |
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| 18:56.15 | alexIdoia | ok |
| 18:56.34 | scud_ | which repo conatins the kernel-sources? |
| 18:56.54 | h3sp4wn | scud_: The normal one |
| 18:57.04 | scud_ | which is? |
| 18:57.12 | h3sp4wn | linux-source-2.6 |
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| 18:57.32 | h3sp4wn | (which will pull in whatever that virtual points to) |
| 18:57.34 | Supaplex | repo or package? |
| 18:57.43 | scud_ | repo |
| 18:57.45 | Supaplex | !tell scud_ -about sources.list |
| 18:57.45 | h3sp4wn | the repo is main |
| 18:58.11 | scud_ | ok i found it, I didnt know that i had to specify 2.6 |
| 18:58.14 | Zeelot | hello, does anyone here know how to get the time in the video I am at in kaffeine using dcop? like 3:27 in a 10:00 video? I found getTimePos() but that just returns a quite useless int |
| 18:59.05 | jatt | Zeelot: could be that the int is the time since the Epoch? |
| 18:59.47 | Zeelot | it returns '7' when I am 23:20? |
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| 19:04.21 | DevilChaos | hi someone point me to a good how to for nfs please? |
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| 19:06.22 | yos87 | hi |
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| 19:06.29 | Yeti_ | Hello. |
| 19:06.50 | Supaplex | oi |
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| 19:08.51 | DevilChaos | hi nfs-utils is no longer availible aparently so what do i do now i have no /etc/exports conf file ? |
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| 19:15.10 | rich__ | how can i create a local repository for etch, i386 arch? I've followed a few howtos, but I'm trying to figure out how to actually get the binaries. i don't want to mirror all releases/source/etc. |
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| 19:17.13 | tarzeau | rich__: that's one way to get all from a Packages.gz file: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/sizematters/sizematters.lzma |
| 19:17.20 | tarzeau | rich__: remove the stuff after wget until rm... |
| 19:17.40 | tarzeau | and you might want to hack it up to keep the same directory structure, but i'm sure there are better ways |
| 19:18.46 | rich__ | Just trying to get an etch repository on a management server I have (woody) right now, so I can branch my CVS and start the upgrade process. |
| 19:18.55 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 19:19.01 | rich__ | I'll take a look at that link. |
| 19:19.02 | kiba | hi |
| 19:19.07 | HardDisk_WP | how do I change the page orientation to landscape in KWord? |
| 19:19.09 | tarzeau | hi |
| 19:19.15 | tarzeau | HardDisk_WP: #debian-kde |
| 19:19.17 | kiba | where I can find a list of servers that host debian testing repoistory |
| 19:19.23 | tarzeau | rich__: you'll want to replace sid with etch |
| 19:19.30 | tarzeau | !mirrors |
| 19:19.30 | dpkg | from memory, debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 19:19.31 | tarzeau | kiba: there |
| 19:19.36 | kiba | thanks |
| 19:19.51 | h3sp4wn | tarzeau: Interestingly - busybox tar support lzma (at least with 1.4.2) strange how gnu tar doesn't |
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| 19:20.12 | tarzeau | h3sp4wn: gnu just needs release a new tar version, then it'll be supported too |
| 19:20.26 | rich__ | tarzeau, no problem. ;) |
| 19:20.33 | tarzeau | h3sp4wn: cool thing, dpkg, and dpkg-buildpackage support lzma too! |
| 19:20.35 | rich__ | This looks like what I needed. |
| 19:20.44 | h3sp4wn | tarzeau: Yeah |
| 19:21.08 | tarzeau | h3sp4wn: but there's no policy on what debian officially shall use (gzip is default) |
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| 19:21.19 | tarzeau | h3sp4wn: i'd like a switch to lzma. i don't want bzip2 |
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| 19:22.15 | h3sp4wn | tarzeau: I don't like bzip2 either |
| 19:22.48 | tarzeau | h3sp4wn: but do you also not like gnome and kde? |
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| 19:25.34 | h3sp4wn | tarzeau: I use e17 or xfce - some k apps are ok |
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| 19:25.35 | DevilChaos | what packages are needed for correct set up of nfs bin too long since i did it last time? |
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| 19:26.40 | tarzeau | h3sp4wn: like kernel-image for graphics stuff? there's that soooo fantastic qotd somewhere |
| 19:26.47 | tarzeau | kiba: using dpkg -i |
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| 19:27.22 | roxy_ | Hi, how can I use aptitude with no answer for each question ? (opposite of -y ) |
| 19:27.37 | h3sp4wn | tarzeau: Where ? (I don't know what you mean ?) |
| 19:27.47 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 19:27.47 | dpkg | hmm... qotd149 is <goccia> anyway : what it is most important to me is getting three times in a row a y/n question doing the libc6 install-dance and watching a stopping starting done daemon sequence ending in perfection: whoever has done this, i mean a three questions in a row, well is a great person |
| 19:27.54 | tarzeau | h3sp4wn: one of these... i don't remember which |
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| 19:28.04 | roxy_ | I want to use it from script on stable server, so if update there is, then a mail is sent and no update/grade are done. |
| 19:28.16 | h3sp4wn | tarzeau: Does it involve me ? |
| 19:28.27 | tarzeau | h3sp4wn: i don't think so, wait i have dumps of them, maybe i find it |
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| 19:28.48 | h3sp4wn | tarzeau: Ok (that was why I was slightly confused) |
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| 19:30.26 | tarzeau | h3sp4wn: oh no i just hafe the fortune quotes... not the qotd db |
| 19:30.31 | tarzeau | !factinfo qotd |
| 19:30.31 | dpkg | qotd -- last modified at Mon Sep 25 19:00:07 2006 by sgeigerbot`!n=user@h460d4f09.area2.spcsdns.net; it has been requested 46 times, last by earthian_, 1d 8h 22m 35s ago. |
| 19:32.09 | rich__ | Can I safely remove the lzma calls in the sizematters code? |
| 19:32.20 | tarzeau | rich__: i think so |
| 19:32.32 | rich__ | Size doesn't matter to me right now. ;) |
| 19:32.38 | hackmiker | !gouranga |
| 19:32.57 | rich__ | plus i don't have lzma on this woody box and don't plan on getting it. |
| 19:34.12 | abrotman | !qotd167 |
| 19:34.12 | dpkg | qotd167 is, like, <dooglus> asg: the biggest package is linux-image-2.6.16-1-686. I don't do any image processing, so I think it's probably safe to remove that one. <asg> dooglus: that's the kernel |
| 19:34.14 | abrotman | tarzeau: ? |
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| 19:34.22 | tarzeau | abrotman: exactly! :) |
| 19:34.46 | rich__ | heh |
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| 19:35.37 | Zap-W_ | i looked at that , looks identical |
| 19:35.41 | Zap-W_ | hi , i am trying to figure out what makes gdm in centos report logins in log files and in debian not |
| 19:36.44 | abrotman | ask #centos ? |
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| 19:37.07 | tarzeau | Zap-W_: some gnome raped xconsole probably |
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| 19:37.15 | seth1248 | Can anyone tell me how I can use visudo to give access to all users in a group? |
| 19:37.21 | abrotman | tarzeau: you're less useful than me! |
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| 19:37.38 | maddog39_ | Zap-W_, this is the debian chanel not the centos one so we may not be as much of a help |
| 19:38.16 | abrotman | tarzeau: shouldn't you be with katja ? |
| 19:38.19 | tarzeau | abrotman: i left her |
| 19:38.24 | abrotman | oh .. good thinking |
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| 19:38.41 | alexIdoia | Hey I have finally found the .iso for the debian live cd, now what am I supposed to write to the cd, the iso file or its content once mounted ? |
| 19:38.56 | tarzeau | alexIdoia: ugh, it doesn't exist? |
| 19:39.06 | tarzeau | alexIdoia: and if you just burn the mounted files, it won't boot |
| 19:39.38 | alexIdoia | tarzeau: ok so I have burn the iso and it does not want to start on the CD |
| 19:39.43 | sepski | alexIdoia, a .iso file is a image of a cd. you are going to write the iso file to the cd, but not as a large file. as the image of the cd. wodim file.iso will do it happily |
| 19:39.44 | alexIdoia | what am I doing wrong ? |
| 19:39.56 | tarzeau | alexIdoia: i have seen some morons burn the iso image into a filesystem onto the cd |
| 19:40.04 | tarzeau | alexIdoia: maybe you are one of those? |
| 19:40.23 | alexIdoia | trou du cul |
| 19:40.27 | alexIdoia | :) |
| 19:40.28 | tarzeau | sepski: you know it's not that easy, i've seen people fail doing so |
| 19:40.52 | alexIdoia | sepski: nevermind, tarzeau has sometime to waste |
| 19:40.54 | sepski | tarzeau, indeed, but atlest the problem is different then |
| 19:41.01 | scud_ | alexIdoia: cant just right clk the iso, and burn to disc? |
| 19:41.15 | alexIdoia | sepski: the thing is that I am on a mac because my laptop disk is dead |
| 19:41.16 | abrotman | what speed was it burnt at ? |
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| 19:41.26 | alexIdoia | so I am not sure how to write the iso image down to cd |
| 19:41.26 | scud_ | or right click and select open. then burn |
| 19:41.30 | tarzeau | alexIdoia: rename the iso into .img or .dmg and you can burn it |
| 19:41.33 | abrotman | if ytou burn the iso at too great of a speed it may not work |
| 19:41.45 | tarzeau | abrotman: i've never had that problem |
| 19:42.56 | tarzeau | but if you use cd-rw media it might not work. cd-rw is the shit |
| 19:42.56 | enouf | what OS are you in now alexIdoia |
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| 19:42.56 | scud_ | x28 is a good speed |
| 19:42.56 | abrotman | tarzeau: you're special |
| 19:42.56 | Wyzard | tarzeau: I use CD-RW all the time... it works fine |
| 19:42.56 | tarzeau | Wyzard: the media also works on other drives? |
| 19:42.56 | abrotman | you sohuldn't burn an ISO faster than about 16x .. slower if you're not in a hurry |
| 19:42.56 | Wyzard | tarzeau: yes |
| 19:42.56 | jetscreamer | what abrotman said can be true though |
| 19:42.57 | tarzeau | abrotman: hehe, i don't have faster writers :) |
| 19:42.57 | abrotman | tarzeau: you're still special |
| 19:42.57 | scud_ | alexIdoia: however its best you leave everything set to auto |
| 19:43.01 | alexIdoia | tarzeau: are you being serious when you advise me to rename it to .dmg ? |
| 19:43.04 | nzk | Hey, I am running a server |
| 19:43.12 | tarzeau | alexIdoia: yes |
| 19:43.16 | nzk | and when I do "top" many things start with K |
| 19:43.19 | scud_ | nzk: congrats |
| 19:43.26 | tarzeau | alexIdoia: i'm not sure if it was dmg or img though |
| 19:43.29 | Wyzard | tarzeau: I have an old laptop whose drive has trouble reading some brands of rewritable media (both CD and DVD), but in general there are no problems |
| 19:43.29 | nzk | Can I kill them? |
| 19:43.30 | roxy_ | is that stupid to cron aptitude -y update/upgrade on stable server ? |
| 19:43.37 | jetscreamer | apt-get remove --purge kde* |
| 19:43.58 | nzk | jetscreamer, I won't need them, if I am not even using a DE, right? |
| 19:44.09 | enouf | many of them are kernel threads ..lol |
| 19:44.25 | sn0 | roxy_ stable only gets security updates, so instead maybe subscribe to the security mailing list |
| 19:44.30 | sn0 | and apply manually |
| 19:44.37 | nzk | But things like |
| 19:44.38 | nzk | o instead maybe subscribe to the security mailing list |
| 19:44.38 | nzk | <sn0> and apply manually |
| 19:44.43 | abrotman | nzk: how about some examples |
| 19:44.45 | nzk | what the hell |
| 19:44.51 | nzk | what was that in my clipboard |
| 19:44.55 | sn0 | O_o |
| 19:44.58 | abrotman | sn0: and RC bug fixes sometimes |
| 19:45.00 | kiba | how do you download a package from specific debian repository? |
| 19:45.05 | sn0 | abrotman indeed |
| 19:45.06 | abrotman | -t |
| 19:45.06 | kiba | like testing |
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| 19:45.09 | nzk | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:45.09 | nzk | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:45.15 | nzk | I doubt I need those |
| 19:45.16 | sn0 | kiba you can browse/search packages.debian.org |
| 19:45.24 | sn0 | and click the arch to download from a mirror |
| 19:45.29 | Wyzard | nzk: Those are threads in the kernel, used by various device drivers |
| 19:45.35 | abrotman | or use -t |
| 19:45.39 | sn0 | that wont download dependancies, but instead shows you what it depends on |
| 19:45.45 | abrotman | or use -t |
| 19:45.52 | sn0 | or use -t ;] |
| 19:45.56 | roxy_ | sn0: thanks. |
| 19:46.02 | sn0 | np |
| 19:46.03 | scud_ | sn0: what would you do about the dependencies, tho if u did it that way? |
| 19:46.08 | nzk | Wyzard, whats the command to list all processes by memory usage? |
| 19:46.15 | sn0 | scud i would use -t |
| 19:46.22 | abrotman | scud_: download each individually .. or use -t :) |
| 19:46.30 | sn0 | if you just want a .deb then the site is fine to download from |
| 19:46.37 | sn0 | assuming it has no dependancies :) |
| 19:46.43 | scud_ | ok : ) |
| 19:46.58 | abrotman | !qotd161 |
| 19:46.58 | dpkg | qotd161 is probably * asg sings the 'My Little Pony' song |
| 19:47.57 | nzk | Wait a minute... |
| 19:47.58 | nzk | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:47.59 | nzk | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:48.14 | nzk | I dont even use postgre, I accidently told the installer cd to install it but i use mysql now |
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| 19:48.21 | abrotman | so uninstall it |
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| 19:48.29 | Zap-W | why isnt pam_loginuid.so available in debian |
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| 19:49.03 | nzk | abrotman, whats the name of the package? |
| 19:49.37 | abrotman | nzk: dpkg -l postgres* |
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| 19:49.39 | abrotman | Zap-W: because you didn't put it in yet ? |
| 19:49.59 | abrotman | !find pam_loginuid sid |
| 19:50.06 | Zap-W | sid?? |
| 19:50.11 | nzk | abrotman, I can just do apt-get remove postgres* ? |
| 19:50.11 | abrotman | zap?? |
| 19:50.24 | Wyzard | nzk: You'll probably want to use --purge |
| 19:50.26 | abrotman | nzk: start using aptitude if yhou can |
| 19:50.39 | Wyzard | and yes, use aptitude rather than apt-get |
| 19:50.40 | Zap-W | pam_loginuid' returned no results. |
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| 19:52.42 | iveqy | I really can't find wich package to install to get the ttf-version of Computer Modern fonts to use in abiword. Can someone please help me out? |
| 19:52.46 | Zap-W | brb |
| 19:54.41 | DevilChaos | abrotman - busy busy the day ? |
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| 19:55.33 | abrotman | DevilChaos: ? |
| 19:56.02 | yoshio | iveqy: lmodern - scalable PostScript fonts based on Computer Modern -- but I suppose Postscript doesn't help you |
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| 19:56.08 | DevilChaos | sorry thats just me asking how ur gettin on am a little drunk heh |
| 19:56.14 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 19:56.37 | test_ | nick Zap-W |
| 19:56.41 | Zap-W | what's the debian way of auditing and recording users logins and logouts |
| 19:57.15 | iveqy | yoshio: I actually don't know. Maybe.. I'll try :) |
| 19:57.58 | Wyzard | iveqy: Can't abiword use PostScript fonts? |
| 19:58.44 | Wyzard | iveqy: lmodern contains both native PostScript Type 1 and also OpenType versions of the fonts, according to the package description |
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| 19:59.12 | Wyzard | iveqy: OpenType is sort of a unified font format -- it can contain either TrueType or PostScript outlines |
| 19:59.16 | yoshio | iveqy: also see apt-cache show cm-super (these are Type1 fonts) |
| 19:59.23 | Wyzard | iveqy: I think most modern stuff supports OpenType |
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| 20:01.06 | iveqy | Wyzard: thank for your explanation. abiword do handle postscript so I now have computer modern as I wished. That do not solve my original problem about abiword not displaying math the way I should. (the font thing was an advice from abiword-dev team) |
| 20:01.10 | iveqy | http://iveqy.com/iveqy/uploaded/efac836f19bb1b7b9cfc61d331eb741b.png |
| 20:01.34 | Wyzard | iveqy: dunno about that, sorry... I don't use abiword |
| 20:01.55 | iveqy | Wyzard: me neither, hence the problem ;). But thanks. |
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| 20:02.55 | utrrrongeeb | I'm trying to make a Sarge system work on a university's network with Windows network drives and printers. I haven't yet made any progress yet, though. |
| 20:03.00 | maek | is there a slick way to put the contents of an iso onto a usb stick? other then rsync or the like? |
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| 20:04.25 | yoshio | iveqy: apt-cache show fondu (this is a font convertor) |
| 20:04.33 | Wyzard | eww |
| 20:04.48 | iveqy | yoshio: thanks, but how would that help me? |
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| 20:04.59 | Wyzard | I wouldn't recommend conversion... there's not a 1:1 mapping between TrueType and PostScript |
| 20:05.07 | Wyzard | You'd lose quality |
| 20:05.24 | alexIdoia | hey please someone, I have tried to burn the .iso file, the files inside the iso once mounted (stupid one would say), I have tried as tarzeau advised to rename the iso .dmg and .img, none of this solution made me boot on the cd, can you first reassure me and confirm that I am burning the right file |
| 20:05.28 | yoshio | if you find a non-debian good quality source, you may be able to convert it |
| 20:05.36 | alexIdoia | http://live.debian.net/etch+beryl-builds/current/i386/ |
| 20:05.42 | nzk | Whats the command that lists all processes |
| 20:05.54 | Wyzard | alexIdoia: What program are you using for burning? |
| 20:06.20 | alexIdoia | my laptop with debian on it is dead so I am on a mac, there is no program appart from the one provided by apple OS |
| 20:06.21 | yoshio | nzk: ps -ef |
| 20:06.28 | utrrrongeeb | nzk: ps lists your processes on the shell, ps aux lists all processes (might not be quite right). |
| 20:06.55 | Wyzard | alexIdoia: What's that program called? |
| 20:07.03 | nzk | Why are there so many things listed like 20 times |
| 20:07.40 | alexIdoia | Wyzard: it no program, when I insert the cd it mounts as a blank cd on my desktop, I drag the iso on it and push the button burn |
| 20:08.02 | tarzeau | alexIdoia: there's #debian-live on oftc, you know? |
| 20:08.10 | Wyzard | alexIdoia: That won't work... that'll just give you the CD containing the .iso as an ordinary file |
| 20:08.14 | tarzeau | Wyzard: mac os x, you know? |
| 20:08.23 | Zap-W | hey , is there a pam module in debian that will allow me to audit logins ? |
| 20:08.23 | tarzeau | Wyzard: i told you it's a moron |
| 20:08.27 | Wyzard | alexIdoia: You want to burn the .iso as the entire contents of the CD |
| 20:08.33 | alexIdoia | Wyzard: what should I do then ? |
| 20:08.33 | lg8 | hi |
| 20:08.35 | lg8 | unsure |
| 20:08.39 | yoshio | nzk: if you are running X, then you may have lots of terminal windows - each one probably runs the bash shell - is that what you mean? |
| 20:08.41 | tarzeau | Zap-W: they are logged in /var/log ? you can grep or less through them? |
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| 20:08.58 | nzk | yoshio, I am not running a DE at all |
| 20:09.00 | zeenix | hello |
| 20:09.04 | Zap-W | tarzeau, they are not , atleast nor for me , and for you? |
| 20:09.08 | Wyzard | alexIdoia: well, a Mac channel would be a better place to ask... but I'm looking at http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=61342 |
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| 20:09.22 | Wyzard | alexIdoia: and I see "Open Disk Copy: Use when burning a disc from an image file" |
| 20:09.25 | tarzeau | Zap-W: what logins? local ones? telnet ones? ssh ones? ftp? WHAT? |
| 20:09.28 | Zap-W | ah never mind |
| 20:09.28 | Wyzard | alexIdoia: That's what you want to do |
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| 20:09.34 | zeenix | any idea when gtk+ 2.10 will hit 'testing' ? |
| 20:09.43 | Zap-W | i am sorry |
| 20:09.44 | tls_81 | Hi all, encrypted filesystem or not? |
| 20:09.48 | Zap-W | i am so stupid |
| 20:10.08 | tarzeau | zeenix: you can poll packages.debian.org ? |
| 20:10.09 | Zap-W | auth,authpriv.* /var/log/auth.log , was looking at the wrong log |
| 20:10.10 | Wyzard | tls_81: Your question is too vague for anyone to answer |
| 20:10.40 | Wyzard | tls_81: Are you asking whether your computer has an encrypted filesystem? Whether other people use encrypted filesystems? Whether you should consider using an encrypted filesystem? |
| 20:11.05 | tls_81 | Wyzard: Am doing an install of debian etch and am curisous to know if it worth doing on a computer not needing the added security? |
| 20:11.23 | tls_81 | Points of view etc etc.... |
| 20:11.23 | zinx | tls_81: it will slow down reads/writes, so it's not good for a server |
| 20:11.39 | Wyzard | tls_81: Encryption, like most security measures, is a tradeoff between security and convenience |
| 20:11.46 | tls_81 | not using on my sevrvers, am just doing it old laptop to test and play aroun.... |
| 20:11.55 | Wyzard | tls_81: If you don't need the security, there's not much added value to balance out the reduced convenience |
| 20:11.57 | zinx | tls_81: whether it's good for a desktop depends on the kinds of information you're going to pass through your computer, and how much you care about privacy. |
| 20:12.18 | zeenix | tarzeau: poll? i see that they are in unstable but just wanted to know when would they be entering testing |
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| 20:12.49 | tls_81 | k sounds like on my machines where i dont handle secure data it might noyt be neccessary... Perhaps at work for all those credit card transactions... ;o) |
| 20:13.03 | zinx | yeah, heh |
| 20:13.11 | tarzeau | !enter testing zeenix |
| 20:13.19 | yoshio | zap-w: apt-cache search libpam shows lots of stuff, but I don't know if that's useful |
| 20:13.20 | zinx | i use encryption for source code i work on doing contract work |
| 20:13.28 | zinx | where i'd rather not be the weakest link :) |
| 20:13.44 | tarzeau | zinx: check it yourself at http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/ |
| 20:13.45 | tls_81 | lol @ the red haired presenter... |
| 20:13.53 | tarzeau | s,zinx,zeenix, |
| 20:13.57 | tls_81 | what's her name already? |
| 20:14.33 | tls_81 | I'll have aplay around with it for a while and see how i like encripted filesys on my laptop... |
| 20:14.45 | tls_81 | baby crying gtg |
| 20:14.50 | kiba | I want 2.10.12-1 of libgtk2.0-common |
| 20:15.11 | kiba | is there a place that have older version of unstable packages |
| 20:15.29 | Wyzard | kiba: http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
| 20:15.35 | kiba | ah |
| 20:15.36 | kiba | thanks |
| 20:16.24 | lokkju_wrk_ | tls_81, encrypted LVM is awsome... just be wary of switching from kernel 2.6.18 to 2.6.20 or higher |
| 20:16.42 | Wyzard | lokkju_wrk_: Why's that? |
| 20:17.00 | Wyzard | lokkju_wrk_: I use encrypted LVM on my laptop and had no problem with that switch |
| 20:17.05 | lokkju_wrk_ | tls_81, IDE drivers switch from hda to sda, and you have to change your LVM config to do the same |
| 20:17.39 | Wyzard | lokkju_wrk_: ah... my laptop's drive was already "sda" so that didn't happen |
| 20:17.42 | zeenix | !enter testing zeenix |
| 20:17.49 | lokkju_wrk_ | Wyzard, could be my IDE bus, but sure as hell I had to manually change some configs, and recreate my initrd |
| 20:18.02 | Wyzard | lokkju_wrk_: but actually, LVM doesn't care about the names of the devices, and when it's running on a dm-crypt device it doesn't even see the real device name anyway |
| 20:18.03 | zeenix | tarzeau: i thought that would be taken by a bot |
| 20:18.17 | lokkju_wrk_ | Wyzard, it can't find the device to load |
| 20:18.23 | Wyzard | lokkju_wrk_: The issue would be that the initrd has hard-coded the device name of the plaintext device to run cryptsetup on |
| 20:18.31 | Wyzard | not LVM at all |
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| 20:18.56 | lokkju_wrk_ | Wyzard, could be true - but it only mattered bcause it had to chain load the volume |
| 20:18.59 | Wyzard | (assuming you're using the encrypted device as the LVM PV, not encrypting individual LVs) |
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| 20:19.20 | lokkju_wrk_ | without LVM/encryption, it would have not had the hardcoded device name, and booted just fine |
| 20:19.25 | Wyzard | true |
| 20:19.44 | Wyzard | On my desktop I have that issue worked around in a different way |
| 20:19.51 | lokkju_wrk_ | Wyzard, oh? |
| 20:19.59 | Wyzard | I use encrypted LVM, but the encrypted device is a software RAID-5 array |
| 20:20.05 | lokkju_wrk_ | ah |
| 20:20.06 | Wyzard | and the RAID layer doesn't care about device names |
| 20:20.08 | lokkju_wrk_ | makes sense |
| 20:20.13 | Wyzard | (at least in the default configuration) |
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| 20:20.57 | lokkju_wrk_ | I saw someone asking about gtk 2.10... is it available for debian right now? there is a text editor I want to try, but it requeires gtk 2.10, and I do not want to recompile everything myself |
| 20:21.08 | Wyzard | lokkju_wrk_: It's in unstable, but not in testing yet |
| 20:21.29 | lokkju_wrk_ | I'll have to try it then... I have unstable in my sources, just with low priority |
| 20:22.07 | Wyzard | gtkmm 2.10 (the C++ binding of GTK) went into unstable a week ago too... I'm glad for that because it's needed by VMware 6 |
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| 20:23.46 | fernando | hi all, how to recover /var/lib/dpkg/status and /var/lib/dpkg/available files? |
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| 20:25.06 | Skoal | anyone know of a way to uninstall the previous package you installed including the NEW and EXTRA packages it installed as well? Or do you have to do it manually? |
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| 20:26.55 | ma3x | what's this thumbs.db file? i never understood it |
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| 20:29.25 | Wyzard | Skoal: There's no automated way to do that with apt-get, but if you installed the package with aptitude, and then remove it with aptitude, it'll do what you're asking |
| 20:29.58 | Skoal | Does anyone know how to remove and view services at startup? |
| 20:30.03 | lokkju_wrk_ | damn it, now I am having trouble finding the cool text editor I saw that required gtk 2.10 |
| 20:30.20 | purplepenguins | what cool text editor is there that uses gtk? |
| 20:30.44 | andrewtaylor | hi - i'm messing about with a debian based live cd. Currently, after around 5 minutes of in-activity firefox (which loads when X starts) re-loads itself. Does anyone have any best guestimates at where I should be looking for that type of behaviour. I don't think it's a firefox thing, and it's not down to the screensaver, perhaps part of the startx procedure? |
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| 20:32.03 | lokkju_wrk_ | purplepenguins, I am trying to remember - it was new, and now I lost the link |
| 20:32.17 | Coweater | cream? |
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| 20:34.26 | purplepenguins | oh, are you talking about vim + cream? |
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| 20:35.05 | yoshio | fernando: basically, every debian package is required to have a /usr/share/doc/PackageName - so cd into /usr/share/doc, and do something like ls * | dpkg --set-selections - there was something in the debian docs to that effect |
| 20:35.11 | lokkju_wrk_ | no... not cream |
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| 20:35.55 | purplepenguins | what is it like lokkju_wrk_ ? |
| 20:36.06 | lokkju_wrk_ | purplepenguins, I am *trying* to find it |
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| 20:38.54 | yoshio | fernando: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html |
| 20:39.24 | fernando | yoshio: thanks. fixed |
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| 20:43.20 | nyty | hi |
| 20:43.23 | nyty | i have problem in realplayer |
| 20:43.26 | nyty | the sound dont work :\ |
| 20:43.35 | nyty | plls can anyoe help me ? |
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| 20:45.34 | nyty | i have soundblaster last |
| 20:45.36 | nyty | but it broken down |
| 20:45.41 | purplepenguins | realplayer? |
| 20:45.43 | nyty | and now i have integrated |
| 20:45.44 | nyty | yes |
| 20:45.48 | nyty | and it`s problems now |
| 20:45.55 | purplepenguins | you mean like Real Media Player? |
| 20:46.00 | purplepenguins | that even runs in linux? |
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| 20:46.30 | nyty | yes |
| 20:46.36 | purplepenguins | Hmm |
| 20:46.37 | nyty | realplayer |
| 20:46.40 | purplepenguins | does sound work anywhere else |
| 20:46.44 | teksimian | I cant seem to find mysqld package in etch. |
| 20:46.45 | nyty | yes ;-) |
| 20:46.54 | nyty | i playing mp3 from xmms :-) |
| 20:47.00 | purplepenguins | teksimian: it's called mysql-server-5 or something |
| 20:47.03 | nyty | but |
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| 20:47.09 | nyty | in enemy territory sound dont works too |
| 20:47.14 | purplepenguins | try doing 'apt-cache search mysql' |
| 20:47.25 | teksimian | purplepenguins; thanks |
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| 20:47.56 | purplepenguins | hmm |
| 20:48.04 | lokkju_wrk_ | purplepenguins, I think it was Scribes: http://scribes.sourceforge.net/ |
| 20:48.10 | yoshio | teksimian: mysql-server-5.0: /usr/sbin/mysqld |
| 20:48.39 | nyty | does anyoe know where is problem |
| 20:48.39 | purplepenguins | if it plays in xmms that means that your sound is probably working |
| 20:48.41 | nyty | maybe in oss |
| 20:48.43 | nyty | i have alsa oss wrapper |
| 20:48.53 | teksimian | yoshio; ;) |
| 20:48.56 | purplepenguins | I don't know why realplayer isn't working for you, maybe you need to configure it to use ALSA |
| 20:49.12 | purplepenguins | I don't use realplayer so I don't know |
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| 20:49.20 | nyty | and |
| 20:49.22 | h3sp4wn | realplayer uses only oss |
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| 20:49.24 | sudo_maddash | is there a reason why the accelerators in gtk2 dialog boxes don't work? |
| 20:49.24 | nyty | how to play .real audio |
| 20:49.27 | nyty | in other |
| 20:49.29 | nyty | playeR :-) |
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| 20:49.33 | nyty | i using amarok |
| 20:49.37 | h3sp4wn | (but if you have realplayer installed you can use amarok to play it) |
| 20:49.38 | nyty | it said he cant play it |
| 20:49.47 | nyty | no module for play |
| 20:49.50 | h3sp4wn | at least certainly with w32codecs |
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| 20:50.15 | purplepenguins | w32codecs includes realmedia? |
| 20:50.24 | nyty | i dont have 32 bit system |
| 20:50.24 | nyty | :( |
| 20:50.25 | wols_ | unlikely |
| 20:50.27 | GunZ | hey guys, could you tell me what the xfce iso is for? is it simply a live cd with xfce on it? |
| 20:50.37 | h3sp4wn | with amarok 32 bit just worked |
| 20:50.40 | wols_ | I'm wrong. it does |
| 20:50.45 | wols_ | apt-cache show w32codecs |
| 20:50.58 | wols_ | realaudio, realmedia 8 and 9 |
| 20:50.59 | nyty | i dont have it in repository |
| 20:51.01 | h3sp4wn | The latest xine does support real |
| 20:51.05 | wols_ | !tell nyty about dmm |
| 20:51.07 | nyty | i have 64 bit system |
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| 20:51.12 | nyty | latest xine ? |
| 20:51.15 | nyty | what version pls |
| 20:51.15 | wols_ | nyty: patents |
| 20:51.16 | h3sp4wn | (with the 64 bit codecs) |
| 20:51.19 | purplepenguins | you need to get the debian-media repo |
| 20:51.34 | purplepenguins | because it's not able to be included by default due to patents and such |
| 20:51.34 | nyty | i have 1.1.2 |
| 20:51.39 | h3sp4wn | nyty: The one in experiental but it has other issues |
| 20:51.39 | lokkju_wrk_ | purplepenguins, check it out, and let me know what you think... From what I saw, Scribes should be very nice |
| 20:51.52 | nyty | aha |
| 20:51.54 | nyty | what to do ? |
| 20:52.07 | nyty | i using debian multimedia package |
| 20:52.11 | nyty | but there are not w32codecs i have amd64 |
| 20:52.19 | purplepenguins | it looks like it's GNOME only |
| 20:52.21 | h3sp4wn | #decoder.external.real_codecs_path:/usr/lib/codecs |
| 20:52.22 | purplepenguins | I don't use GNOME |
| 20:52.40 | nyty | h3sp4wn where ? |
| 20:52.43 | nyty | is this config |
| 20:52.45 | h3sp4wn | (the 64 bit ones you get from the mplayer site) and you need the latest xine |
| 20:53.04 | purplepenguins | also my cultship in the cult of vi prohibits using other editors |
| 20:53.07 | nyty | do mplayer can play this ? |
| 20:53.41 | h3sp4wn | yep |
| 20:53.47 | nyty | i cant play it |
| 20:53.50 | nyty | it dont show in menu |
| 20:53.51 | nyty | ;\ |
| 20:53.59 | h3sp4wn | what menu |
| 20:54.09 | lokkju_wrk_ | whats sad is I love vlc, but on my 800Mhz lappy, mplayer kicks ass when playing avi files - vlc drops frames like crazy, but when vlc drops famres, it more like doesn't play the movie |
| 20:54.30 | h3sp4wn | mplayer rtsp://rmlive.bbc.co.uk/bbc-rbs/rmlive/ev7/live24/radio2/live/r2_dsat_g2.ra |
| 20:54.34 | h3sp4wn | (for example) |
| 20:54.50 | h3sp4wn | just get the real url from the .ram |
| 20:54.52 | purplepenguins | it looks like a nicer version of gedit |
| 20:54.56 | nyty | i want radio 1 :-) |
| 20:55.06 | lokkju_wrk_ | purplepenguins, lots, lots more features |
| 20:55.09 | nyty | mmmm |
| 20:55.24 | nyty | it works :D |
| 20:55.31 | h3sp4wn | nyty: radio 1 sucks - 2,3,4 is fine |
| 20:55.45 | nyty | i want music :-) |
| 20:55.58 | nyty | haha thats great |
| 20:55.59 | nyty | i love mplayer |
| 20:56.01 | purplepenguins | real media format is so irritating... |
| 20:56.10 | purplepenguins | I can't remember the last time I saw it |
| 20:56.17 | purplepenguins | and I don't think I ever actually used it |
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| 20:56.45 | vchrizz | hi |
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| 20:57.31 | nyty | h3sp4wn |
| 20:57.34 | nyty | but radio1 |
| 20:57.44 | nyty | some music is repeating during day 3 or 4 times |
| 20:58.06 | h3sp4wn | I don't know I don't listen to it - its dull as sin |
| 20:58.14 | nyty | and |
| 20:58.21 | nyty | ehe; -) |
| 20:58.36 | lokkju_wrk_ | purplepenguins, what I really want is ultraedit on linux, but... |
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| 21:00.17 | Skoal | anyone know of the best way of handling and adjusting what boots up during init.d |
| 21:00.33 | h3sp4wn | Skoal: sysv-rc-conf or use file-rc |
| 21:01.01 | Skoal | is that part of a package? |
| 21:01.23 | h3sp4wn | the first is a program that simply lets you choose what runs in the different runlevels |
| 21:02.01 | h3sp4wn | the second is a file based alternative boot mechanism |
| 21:02.09 | Skoal | oh word..... file-rc looks mad ill |
| 21:02.19 | Skoal | one single conf file thats ill |
| 21:02.20 | h3sp4wn | (uses /etc/runlevel.conf) |
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| 21:02.46 | h3sp4wn | It still uses /etc/init.d it just avoids the symlinks in /etc/rc?.d |
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| 21:03.17 | geekbr | hey |
| 21:03.17 | vchrizz | ive got a problem with booting a luks encrypted partition on a rootserver, what did i miss? i edited to "kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/mapper/dm-root cryptoroot=/dev/md2 ro" in grub's menu.lst, added key file with cryptsetup to /dev/md2, added "dm-root /dev/md2 /etc/keys/my.key luks" to /etc/crypttab on /dev/md2 ... |
| 21:03.28 | geekbr | sameone are using debian sid ? |
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| 21:03.47 | Skoal | actually sysv is mad iill thanks h3sp4wn |
| 21:03.48 | vchrizz | geekbr: whats the problem? |
| 21:03.54 | Southern | Hi |
| 21:04.38 | geekbr | vchrizz: yeap .. do you know same tool to find good mirror ? at last we don't have more the apt-setup |
| 21:05.04 | Ronin | !tell geekbr about mirrors |
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| 21:05.19 | geekbr | this make more dificult find same mirror's next to brasil |
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| 21:07.20 | jeffwheeler | On my machine, the NetworkManager Applet cannot find any network devices, yet the network works fine; there's just an icon in my tray always telling me I'm disconnected, that always comes back whenever I login; I'd be fine with just getting rid of the applet rather than the problem itself, but how do I do that? |
| 21:08.16 | Vasistha | jeffwheeler: debian automatically hides /etc/network/interfaces entries from NM -- you'll need to comment the entries in /etc/network/interfaces in order for them to work in NM |
| 21:08.22 | Vasistha | jeffwheeler: (and restart NM and NMD) |
| 21:08.54 | jeffwheeler | Vasistha: ah, okay; out of curiousity, is there a specific reason for this?> |
| 21:09.11 | geekbr | Ronin: i need good mirror's next brasil, but dpkg help-me |
| 21:09.24 | geekbr | dpkg: tnks .. i will try this |
| 21:09.35 | Vasistha | jeffwheeler: probably, although I don't know it. I would guess it's to prevent conflicts between the two systems trying to take control of the same devices |
| 21:09.55 | jeffwheeler | Vasistha: ah, I understand |
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| 21:13.27 | nyty | hmm |
| 21:13.30 | nyty | big weekend |
| 21:13.30 | nyty | ;-) |
| 21:13.34 | nyty | it`s normal festival |
| 21:13.43 | nyty | it`s normal small festival |
| 21:13.51 | bbelt16ag | how do i change my name for my pc on the network and the workgroup it goes to? |
| 21:14.00 | bbelt16ag | i tried /etc/hosts but its not changing |
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| 21:14.21 | sepski | bbelt16ag, since you mention workgroup i assume you mean samba network. so edit /etc/samba/smb.conf |
| 21:14.42 | Esaj | if I want to typeset some letters nicely, what do people recommend? |
| 21:14.44 | Esaj | LaTeX? |
| 21:15.11 | bbelt16ag | ok then , but it stays localhost on my cli and i want to change that too .. |
| 21:15.30 | bbelt16ag | i changed the workgroup in /etc/samba/smb.conf |
| 21:15.31 | purplepenguins | Esaj: LaTeX is pure win |
| 21:15.31 | Thms | !paste |
| 21:15.32 | dpkg | [paste] Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC or if those are not working, ask me about <pastebin> for other options |
| 21:15.32 | sepski | bbelt16ag, /etc/hostname /etc/mailname and /etc/hosts |
| 21:15.43 | purplepenguins | Esaj: it's got a bit of a learning curve but it's not too hard |
| 21:15.50 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 21:16.08 | Esaj | purplepenguins: cool, can you recommend any references? |
| 21:16.10 | bbelt16ag | does not exsist i am running gentoo |
| 21:16.19 | purplepenguins | there is a free ebook about it |
| 21:16.25 | purplepenguins | that is great |
| 21:17.05 | purplepenguins | it's got a UNIX bent |
| 21:17.05 | purplepenguins | which is not a problem since you are on Debian, I suppose |
| 21:17.36 | bbelt16ag | i changed vi /etc/hosts though |
| 21:17.44 | Esaj | purplepenguins: ok, I'll check it out, thanks |
| 21:17.45 | geekbr | dpkg: can you see the pvt ? |
| 21:17.52 | purplepenguins | it's called The Not So Short Introduction to LaTeX 2e |
| 21:18.20 | Wyzard | Esaj: I have a book called "A Guide to LaTeX" by Helmut Kopka and Patrick W. Daly, and that's served me pretty well |
| 21:19.04 | Esaj | actually what I'm doing is I want to typeset a set of emails so they look nice when printed |
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| 21:19.33 | Esaj | LaTeX is great and all, but I'm wondering if maybe it's just quicker to copy/paste into OOffice :) |
| 21:19.39 | Wyzard | LaTeX has a built-in style for letters |
| 21:20.04 | Wyzard | but for an email that's already been written, you'd have to convert it to LaTeX markup format |
| 21:20.37 | Wyzard | which isn't really difficult, but it'd be tedious if you were doing it on a regular basis |
| 21:21.11 | purplepenguins | Esaj: LaTeX is only useful for long things in which you either need to incorporate math symbols or for presentations/books that need to be fancy |
| 21:21.25 | Esaj | ok, I should probably just stick with OOffice then |
| 21:22.13 | purplepenguins | not to say that it isn't good for other things but it will be more work than it will be worth if you don't know how to use it |
| 21:22.13 | Wyzard | purplepenguins: not necessarily... that's what it's designed for, but I've used it to write mini-specs for things like software just to keep my own head straight on what I'm doing |
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| 21:22.36 | solemnwarning | Can anyone help me with this error? |
| 21:22.44 | solemnwarning | http://rafb.net/p/lHKw4W94.html |
| 21:22.59 | solemnwarning | I tried setting nloopbacks to 128, but it's not fixing it |
| 21:23.05 | Wyzard | as for fancy stuff, though, by delving a bit into the underlying TeX stuff I was able to create a really nice professional-looking resumé format :-) |
| 21:23.09 | purplepenguins | Hmm, I suppose there are other good uses for it, I only speak of my experience as a physics/math undergraduate, it is very useful for papers and such |
| 21:24.12 | purplepenguins | Wyzard: I've seen some really good LaTeX resumes online |
| 21:24.22 | purplepenguins | I want one but I'm too lazy to make a resume template |
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| 21:28.14 | Wyzard | I spent about a week on mine |
| 21:28.29 | Wyzard | though I was learning TeX at the same time so that's part of why it took so long |
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| 21:29.36 | Wyzard | and I made it with a sort of configurable heading, with things like my name and address stored in a separate file |
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| 21:30.01 | Wyzard | and later, custom "letter" and "invoice" classes using those same headings |
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| 21:31.06 | Wyzard | It was pretty fun, actually... I learned a lot about TeX in the process |
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| 21:34.33 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 21:34.47 | HardDisk_WP | does a defrag program for FAT32 partitions exist? |
| 21:35.11 | Vasistha | HardDisk_WP: probably not in linux. use windows for that. |
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| 21:35.38 | Wyzard | or just move all the files off it, so it's empty, and then move them back |
| 21:36.17 | Vasistha | ...taking care to preserve timestamps |
| 21:36.23 | HardDisk_WP | that would be stupid, as the iPod has 11MB/sec maximum transfer rate and 74GB are used already |
| 21:36.31 | Wyzard | Doesn't "mv" doesn't do that automatically? |
| 21:36.36 | HardDisk_WP | it seems I should use windope |
| 21:36.36 | Wyzard | oh, it's an ipod |
| 21:36.38 | Vasistha | (did you know that windoze will actually *not operate* if it detects that some timestamps aren't correct?) |
| 21:36.45 | vchrizz | ive got a problem with booting a luks encrypted partition on a rootserver, what did i miss? i edited to "kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/mapper/dm-root cryptoroot=/dev/md2 ro" in grub's menu.lst, added key file with cryptsetup to /dev/md2, added "dm-root /dev/md2 /etc/keys/my.key luks" to /etc/crypttab on /dev/md2 ... |
| 21:37.10 | Wyzard | vchrizz: Doesn't the installer set that stuff up for you automatically? |
| 21:37.33 | vchrizz | which installer? |
| 21:37.40 | Wyzard | vchrizz: etch's |
| 21:37.47 | ma3x | Wyzard, only for new created partitions perhaps |
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| 21:38.41 | Wyzard | What I mean is, if you choose encryption for a partition when installing etch, it automatically does the necessary stuff to make it work |
| 21:39.11 | Wyzard | Anyway, I've only booted LUKS with LVM on top, never LUKS with a filesystem directly on top, but I've never had to use any "cryptoroot=" option |
| 21:39.16 | vchrizz | yep, think so too.. but im not newly installing ... got an installed system already, the raidset where /boot lies died and now i try to boot the system again, but i dont know why it doesnt boot |
| 21:39.50 | ma3x | what does it say? |
| 21:40.04 | vchrizz | Wyzard: hum, so how does grub access /dev/md2 ? |
| 21:40.18 | vchrizz | i dont see an error cause its a root-server... |
| 21:40.27 | vchrizz | else i would know what to do.. ;) |
| 21:40.38 | vchrizz | searching google for that error e.g. |
| 21:40.47 | ma3x | let Wyzard help you |
| 21:40.47 | Wyzard | vchrizz: GRUB doesn't know anything about software RAID; it just loads the kernel and initramfs file from the /boot partition |
| 21:41.04 | Wyzard | vchrizz: The initramfs has a script which sets up the array |
| 21:41.18 | Wyzard | vchrizz: and then runs cryptsetup on the md device once it's active |
| 21:41.40 | vchrizz | oh .. so i have to add the key that initramfs script? |
| 21:41.41 | Wyzard | vchrizz: That's all in the automatically-generated initramfs... no special setup for that should be needed |
| 21:41.59 | Wyzard | If cryptsetup is installed and you have the right entry in /etc/crypttab, it should work |
| 21:42.04 | Wyzard | That's been my experience, at least |
| 21:43.11 | Wyzard | I don't use a keyfile though... I just type the key at boot time |
| 21:43.29 | Wyzard | Using a keyfile for the root filesystem seems to defeat the purpose |
| 21:43.54 | vchrizz | Wyzard: i see ... crypttab is setup properly .. so as kernel param i have to add root=/dev/mapper/dm-root ? in crypttab ive got "dm-root /dev/md2 /etc/keys/my.key luks" |
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| 21:44.43 | Wyzard | and keeping the canonical copy of the keyfile in /etc, which is located *on* the root filesystem, is risky -- I guess the initramfs generator makes a copy to store in the initramfs, but having the "main" copy of the key stored on a device that's encrypted with itself is kinda pointless |
| 21:45.50 | Wyzard | That root= option looks right to me |
| 21:45.50 | Wyzard | though I'm not certain because in my case it's an LVM volume rather than the dm-crypt device itself |
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| 21:46.42 | Wyzard | Why do you use a keyfile? |
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| 21:48.09 | vchrizz | ok... what do you mean by canonical copy of key in /etc? just copy the key from /etc/keys to /etc ? |
| 21:48.18 | Wyzard | You have a keyfile in /etc/keys, right? |
| 21:48.20 | amerej | how to stop my wifi if to change to managed mode by itself every 1-2 minutes ? what can cause this ? i setted on /etc/network/interfaces wireless-mode ad-hoc but that doesn't seems to work |
| 21:48.25 | mick_home | anyone know of a debug switch to eclipse so i can see why just the splash screen shows (but the app doesn't come up)? |
| 21:48.42 | Wyzard | And your root filesystem, where the /etc/keys directory is (presumably) located, is encrypted |
| 21:49.00 | Wyzard | that's like locking your car key inside your car |
| 21:49.38 | bkw | I have tried installing etch on a computer with Lsi SAS controller and sata disks, everything during the installation goes fine until grub/lilo tries to write, both fails. Can this have anything to do with that /boot is in a FS that is larger than the first 512MB of the disk? |
| 21:49.56 | Wyzard | Your /etc/keys directory is not accessible at boot time until *after* it's been unlocked with cryptsetup, which requires having the key |
| 21:49.58 | vchrizz | Wyzard: ya, i wondered about that already... ive read some howto found by google and there it writes so... somehow strange i thought but well... didnt ever uses luks.. |
| 21:50.23 | Wyzard | so I'm guessing that mkinitramfs takes a copy and stores it in the initramfs, so it can be used at boot time to unlock the drive |
| 21:50.37 | vchrizz | Wyzard: ok so i was right when thinking this is wrong haveing the key on the encrypted fs .. |
| 21:50.46 | Wyzard | and since the initramfs is (and must be) stored unencrypted in /boot, your encryption is providing zero actual security |
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| 21:51.05 | Wyzard | because the unprotected key is stored on disk, right next to the thing it supposedly protects |
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| 21:51.59 | vchrizz | Wyzard: clear ... well, im thinking i need a key so no interactive key is requested ... if not using key it asks for a password... or not? |
| 21:52.14 | Wyzard | correct |
| 21:52.18 | Wyzard | and that's where the security lies |
| 21:52.49 | Wyzard | Think of it this way: if your computer automatically unlocks itself during startup, with no help from you, then what's to stop it doing the same for a malicious attacker who's trying to steal your data? |
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| 21:53.14 | vchrizz | well, since its a root-server, im not able to input any pass ... |
| 21:53.25 | vchrizz | so i think i have to use a key .. |
| 21:54.23 | Wyzard | And what happens if someone steals your computer, takes it home, plugs it in, and turns it on? |
| 21:54.43 | Wyzard | How do you expect the encryption to prevent that person from accessing the data? |
| 21:56.05 | necr0mancer | rofl @ my nick |
| 21:56.13 | vchrizz | well, i understand what you want to tell me... the rootserver was setup by another person who isnt reachable and a friend asked me to fix the computer.. and since i dont need enc i didnt use luks ... |
| 21:56.50 | Wyzard | OK, so you understand that the encryption is providing no actual security, but that's OK because you don't actually *need* the security |
| 21:57.01 | Wyzard | and you're just stuck with this existing installation that happens to use LUKS |
| 21:57.26 | vchrizz | yes ;) |
| 21:57.41 | vchrizz | and all i want is to get this thing running ;) |
| 21:57.57 | Wyzard | If that's the case then go ahead and use the keyfile... your root= parameter looked right to me |
| 21:58.02 | omri | is reiser4 ever going to be stable? |
| 21:58.16 | mick_home | oh great a java-gcj is required but it isn't specified in the package |
| 21:58.22 | mick_home | laddy da |
| 21:58.24 | Wyzard | as long as you understand the security (or lack thereof) implications of your setup |
| 21:58.48 | Wyzard | Keep in mind that encryption can reduce disk performance, btw |
| 21:58.48 | vchrizz | Wyzard: so how to add key to initrd? or does update-initramfs add the key from /etc/keys/my.key ? |
| 21:59.08 | Wyzard | You said it was working previously, right? |
| 21:59.41 | vchrizz | Wyzard: yap, clear :) as said, not my system... i dont know what was expected with encrypting the rootfs ... |
| 22:00.04 | vchrizz | i suppose it .. |
| 22:00.08 | Wyzard | then apparently mkinitramfs (which is run by update-initramfs) does copy the keyfile from /etc/keys into the initramfs |
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| 22:00.16 | Wyzard | otherwise it wouldn't have worked in the past |
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| 22:01.33 | vchrizz | Wyzard: ok ill try... thx ;) lets see if it boots .. |
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| 22:04.50 | lesshaste_ | what do I have to do to see video/divx videos in firefox? |
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| 22:07.16 | reto_ | hi, how can I tell the kernel to not load a spefici module |
| 22:07.24 | reto_ | (advansys in this case) |
| 22:07.25 | Wyzard | reto_: modprobe <modulename> |
| 22:07.34 | reto_ | to NOT load :) |
| 22:07.37 | Wyzard | oh |
| 22:07.38 | Wyzard | sorry |
| 22:07.40 | reto_ | it gets loaded somwhere during startup |
| 22:08.03 | lesshaste_ | anyone? |
| 22:08.04 | Nosf3ratu | bueller? |
| 22:08.06 | Wyzard | reto_: See the file /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 22:08.26 | reto_ | Wyzard: okay, do I have to recreate my initrds ? |
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| 22:08.32 | Wyzard | reto_: You can add lines to that file, or (preferably) create a new file, "blacklist-local" or something |
| 22:09.03 | reto_ | "it does not affect autoloading of modules by the kernel" |
| 22:09.07 | reto_ | i hope advansys isn't one of them |
| 22:09.08 | Wyzard | reto_: It may be necessary to regenerate the initrd, if it's the one loading the module, since it can't see the blacklist file at boot time |
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| 22:09.56 | Wyzard | (and even in cases where regenerating the initrd isn't actually necessary, there's no harm in doing it, so it's a good idea to always regenerate the initrd after blacklisting something unless you're sure it's not necessary) |
| 22:10.25 | reto_ | alright, thanks Wyzard |
| 22:10.28 | reto_ | i'm gonna try it |
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| 22:14.15 | lesshaste_ | how do you play an embedded flash video full screen ? |
| 22:16.05 | lesshaste_ | is it obvious? |
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| 22:16.30 | wols_ | lesshaste_: play it in mplayer or vlc? |
| 22:16.58 | lesshaste_ | wols_, is there a plugin that will let me do that? |
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| 22:21.07 | frankr | Hi I have Java installed but it isn't working in firefox - why is this |
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| 22:21.38 | alexIdoia | hey my laptop HD had a problem earlier, I have boot on a live CD, where can I found my /home partition in the file system ? |
| 22:21.46 | alexIdoia | ... in order to backup |
| 22:21.54 | b1z | i'm just ripping a dvd using dvd::rip now, ETA is ~10h, may i kill the gui or do i stop the transcode with this? i'm not in cluster mode, any experiences? |
| 22:22.12 | trede | hello folks |
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| 22:22.47 | alexIdoia | what is the root password on a live cd ? |
| 22:23.38 | alexIdoia | can anyone help please ? |
| 22:23.39 | Chopper4 | hello. what's the easiest way to get centralized authentication for several machines? |
| 22:23.42 | b1z | alexIdoia: are you sure there is one? sometimes there is a sudoers entry for passwd, so try 'sudo passwd' to set a root password |
| 22:23.59 | alexIdoia | ok |
| 22:24.34 | b1z | Chopper4: pubkey auth? |
| 22:24.43 | alexIdoia | blz you were right, what should I do to mount my HD now ? |
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| 22:24.48 | Assid | heya |
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| 22:25.19 | Assid | can someone suggest a nice/powerful ncurses based frontend for iptables? |
| 22:25.57 | b1z | alexIdoia: since you've set a root passwd now, just 'su - root' and mount whatever you want using mount |
| 22:26.22 | alexIdoia | sure, but what tools can I use to scan and fix my HD ? |
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| 22:26.29 | alexIdoia | ... as much as possible |
| 22:26.52 | HyperDevil | hello guys, is it possible to permanently disable screen blanking on the console? |
| 22:27.05 | b1z | alexIdoia: e2fsprogs? depends on the filesystem you use |
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| 22:27.30 | alexIdoia | alexIdoia: etx3 |
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| 22:28.51 | Cr0w- | hello..i don't know too much about firewall, i've installed debian etch net install, i don't have the file /proc/net/ip_conntrack, i'm following a firewall tutorial..how do i activate connection tracking function? |
| 22:29.15 | Cr0w- | (sorry, i don't speak english very well) |
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| 22:30.23 | b1z | Cr0w-: modprobe ip_conntrack |
| 22:30.24 | alexIdoia | blz fsck will fix my HD ? |
| 22:30.42 | b1z | alexIdoia: read 'man fsck.ext3' |
| 22:30.50 | trede | does debian use nvidia closed source drivers for gfx ?. |
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| 22:31.43 | b1z | dpkg: tell trede about nvidia |
| 22:31.59 | Cr0w- | b1z, thanks, do i need to run that command every time that the pc start? |
| 22:32.02 | h3sp4wn | trede: no, it can if you enable extra repositories though |
| 22:32.32 | trede | ok. thanks alot |
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| 22:32.39 | HyperDevil | hello guys, is it possible to permanently disable screen blanking on the console? |
| 22:33.06 | trede | lets hope nvidia/amd feels the press from ATI opensourced drivers !. |
| 22:33.18 | h3sp4wn | !tell trede about nvidia one-liner |
| 22:33.26 | alexIdoia | blz, very quickly (I will read the man) what comd can I use to check and fix my disk ? |
| 22:33.26 | b1z | Cr0w-: no, just 'echo ip_conntrack >> /etc/modules' |
| 22:33.59 | streuner | well, AMD plans to use opensource drivers for there videocards :-) |
| 22:34.11 | trede | sweet |
| 22:34.13 | Cr0w- | b1z, thanks!! ;) |
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| 22:34.25 | alexIdoia | blz, or is there a howto somewhere ? |
| 22:34.57 | b1z | alexIdoia: just fsck.ext -fp /partition/to/scan |
| 22:35.17 | trede | well i just freaked on my gentoo install. im considering something that cares a tad more about stability |
| 22:35.22 | alaya | alecssys: depending on filesystem, usually something like fsck.<fs name> |
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| 22:35.27 | b1z | alexIdoia: s/ext/ext3/ |
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| 22:36.05 | alaya | but each one can have other utils, for example xfs_check for xfs |
| 22:36.40 | b1z | alaya: he wrote its ext3 |
| 22:36.42 | alexIdoia | blz yes sure, and to be sure it is a ext3 partition can I check that from somewhere ? |
| 22:37.40 | b1z | alexIdoia: just use fsck then, it will scan fstab.. |
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| 22:38.05 | alexIdoia | blz ok |
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| 22:38.18 | alaya | dpkg -L e2fsprogs |
| 22:38.19 | dpkg | ii e2fsprogs 1.5-3.2 alaya's private gamp collection |
| 22:38.25 | alexIdoia | blz, last thing, what about badblock cmd ? |
| 22:38.42 | alaya | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:38.42 | dpkg | No packages found matching e2fsprogs |
| 22:38.53 | alaya | \dpkg -L e2fsprogs |
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| 22:41.03 | b1z | alexIdoia: do you have bad blocks on this hd? |
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| 22:41.53 | HyperDevil | hello guys, is it possible to permanently disable screen blanking on the console? |
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| 22:44.13 | b1z | HyperDevil: man setterm, setterm -powersave off -blank 0 |
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| 22:45.53 | HyperDevil | blz: how can i do that every time the system starts? automaticly |
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| 22:46.57 | HyperDevil | where is the rc.local file on debian? |
| 22:47.14 | HyperDevil | or local file that is executed in start? |
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| 22:48.44 | das_netz | hi.. anybody know about any program for copy the actual system to the cd-rom? |
| 22:48.55 | h3sp4wn | !rc.local |
| 22:48.55 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, rc.local is /etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence. if you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.lcoal). rc.local is considered a hack, consider writing a real init script (ask me about <init.d>). as of 2.86.ds1-1, initscript has an rc.local file for compatibility with inferior ... |
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| 22:49.38 | h3sp4wn | HyperDevil: that does tell you how to do it but I thought it was going to recommend a real init script a little more strongly |
| 22:50.26 | HyperDevil | thanks |
| 22:51.33 | alaya | would setting setterm in an rc script work? doesn't the command have to be run in the terminal it applies the settings to? |
| 22:52.44 | alaya | maybe put an if clause in .bashrc if term=linux then setterm.... ? |
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| 22:55.03 | alaya | if [ "$TERM" = "linux" ]; then setterm ..... fi |
| 22:55.23 | alaya | or in /etc/profile to be system-wide |
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| 22:57.06 | SlackRat | etch is a thing of beauty |
| 22:57.39 | das_netz | hi.. anybody know about any program for copy the actual system to the cd-rom? |
| 22:57.56 | sn0 | das_netz you can create a live-cd of your installed system |
| 22:58.07 | h3sp4wn | alaya: /etc/environment is best to use if you want system wide (its loaded by pam) |
| 22:58.09 | das_netz | sn0, any clue? |
| 22:58.48 | sn0 | das_netz personally i use backup-manager , it has a write to cdrw function |
| 22:59.00 | sn0 | it compresses the folders selected |
| 22:59.11 | sn0 | but be sure to read http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/system-administrator/ch-sysadmin-backup.html |
| 22:59.31 | das_netz | sn0, thanks |
| 22:59.35 | sn0 | np |
| 22:59.36 | das_netz | sn0, i will read |
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| 23:00.17 | alaya | h3sp4wn: good to know that. thank you. |
| 23:00.27 | digijohn | Hello; have any of you tried using a Creative Nomad Jukebox Zen NX in Debian? |
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| 23:02.41 | alaya | digijohn: how would you use it other than connecting it and having it show up as a hard drive? |
| 23:03.18 | digijohn | I've been using gnomad2... you can connect it as a plain old hard drive and just dump songs on there? |
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| 23:04.26 | alaya | usually with player like that they show up as a hard drive |
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| 23:05.06 | orsonork | etch is very good |
| 23:05.12 | alaya | try doing this: tail -f /var/log/syslog and plug it in. you should see it initializes as a scsi drive |
| 23:05.25 | orsonork | i have installed it in two computers |
| 23:05.40 | digijohn | May 19 19:04:02 hiro kernel: usb 3-1: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 51 |
| 23:06.38 | rique | What`s the difference between Spca5xx and gspca? |
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| 23:07.22 | georgy28 | rique : same module, another name for the new version |
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| 23:07.31 | digijohn | Alaya: that's all I saw |
| 23:07.47 | alaya | digijohn: is sd_mod loaded? |
| 23:07.48 | rique | georgy28, thanks |
| 23:07.56 | georgy28 | rique, : np |
| 23:08.12 | digijohn | alaya: yes |
| 23:08.54 | alaya | digijohn: i don't know that model, but usually it will initialize as a scsi disk, sda, sdb, etc. |
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| 23:09.48 | alaya | digijohn: in fact normally you should just plug it in and debian will popup some window asking of you want to open it |
| 23:09.49 | rique | i'm installing gspca from the package manager in Debian... what more i need to do in order to put my webcamera to work? |
| 23:10.04 | digijohn | alaya: I'm in FVWM... there's not much hand holding |
| 23:10.12 | georgy28 | rique : wich cam |
| 23:10.50 | rique | georgy28, it probably comes from China, but I bought in Brazil... |
| 23:11.14 | rique | georgy28, Bus 001 Device 004: ID 06a2:6810 Topro Technology, Inc. |
| 23:11.19 | digijohn | alaya: sounds like this particular device can't do mass storage |
| 23:11.20 | georgy28 | rique : watch in lsmod if you have the sn9c102 module loaded |
| 23:11.37 | Guerin | Fetched 17.5MB in 13s (1256kB/s) # whee! |
| 23:11.48 | rique | ok... |
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| 23:13.03 | rique | georgy28, it's not there |
| 23:13.47 | georgy28 | rique : that's fine. have you install a cam viewer like qcam ? |
| 23:14.24 | rique | georgy28, i'm installing gspca |
| 23:14.44 | rique | I alson Installed xawtv, as I readed in a tutorial... |
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| 23:15.04 | rique | but it doesnt prompted me to create the /dev/video0 |
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| 23:15.30 | georgy28 | rique : that's a module, not a webcam software |
| 23:15.54 | rique | georgy28, O.o |
| 23:16.35 | georgy28 | rique install qcam or camorama to view your cam |
| 23:17.01 | rique | georgy28, i got camstream and eye of gnome |
| 23:17.08 | alaya | digijohn: apt-cache search nomad |egrep -ri creative |
| 23:17.35 | rique | georgy28, i installed the package of gspca |
| 23:17.46 | georgy28 | rique : and it is working ? |
| 23:17.50 | rique | georgy28, and did modprobe gspca |
| 23:18.23 | rique | georgy28, the module is loaded... |
| 23:18.38 | rique | usbcore 112644 4 gspca,ehci_hcd,uhci_hcd |
| 23:18.49 | amerej | how to stop my wifi if to change to managed mode by itself every 1-2 minutes ? what can cause this ? i setted on /etc/network/interfaces wireless-mode ad-hoc but that doesn't seems to work |
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| 23:20.10 | rique | georgy28, there is no /dev/video0 created |
| 23:20.12 | georgy28 | rique: if it's the right module your webcam should work |
| 23:20.15 | alaya | amerej: maybe set roam setting using iwpriv ? |
| 23:20.36 | rique | georgy28, it would create automaticaly the file? |
| 23:20.45 | georgy28 | rique : are your shure you have the right module/driver for you webcam ? |
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| 23:21.10 | ootput | elo |
| 23:21.18 | rique | georgy28, i am not sure |
| 23:21.26 | rique | georgy28, maybe it is not supported yet |
| 23:21.27 | amerej | alaya: this device doesn't support roaming |
| 23:21.44 | amerej | the essid, key, rate configs remain the same |
| 23:21.52 | amerej | it just changes from ad-hoc to managed |
| 23:21.57 | amerej | its very annoying |
| 23:22.29 | ootput | vim ~/.irssi/config |
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| 23:22.48 | georgy28 | rique: ok , first you have to find out wich module/driver you need, then you can try to install it. I think you have to searh on the net, to grab some info about you cam |
| 23:23.00 | georgy28 | *search |
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| 23:23.48 | rique | georgy28, thank you... your tips was precious |
| 23:24.07 | georgy28 | rique : np |
| 23:24.22 | alaya | amerej: i would play around with iwspy/iwpriv and maybe look at module parameters for it, or mailing list for driver |
| 23:25.11 | alaya | amerej: modinfo <module name> to see parameters |
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| 23:39.06 | arencinosa | hi! can any of you tell me if there is just ONE OS or many while we are talking about GNU/Linux?? |
| 23:39.32 | SlackRat | many distrobutions use the linux kernel and gnu tools |
| 23:40.06 | arencinosa | SlackRat: yes, but may they be considered different OS's? |
| 23:40.38 | SlackRat | i do, there are often major differences in how distros use the kernel and the tools |
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| 23:42.04 | SlackRat | debian is an OS, slackware is also a linux OS, etc |
| 23:42.05 | arencinosa | then should I speak in plural when I talk about GNU/Linux OS? |
| 23:42.06 | arencinosa | why are they not mentioned as OS's? |
| 23:42.06 | arencinosa | why distros? |
| 23:42.09 | SlackRat | distributions = distros |
| 23:42.10 | donaldo | arencinosa: how many versions of Mac OS X or Microsoft Windows can you name? |
| 23:42.47 | donaldo | arencinosa: both Apple and Microsoft maintain multiple concurrent flavors of their systems -- since Linux is free, anyone can make a new flavor. and not everyone likes the same flavor. |
| 23:43.05 | arencinosa | donaldo: well, as far as I know, Windows 3.1, Windows 95, Windows 2000, Windows XP are different OS's |
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| 23:43.26 | tabris|away | 3.1. 3.1 WFWG. 3.11. 3.11 WFWG. 95. 95a. 95b. 4.00.1111. 4.00.1212. 98. 98SE. ME. XP. NT 3.1, 3.5, 3.51, 4.0. 5.0/2k. 2k3. |
| 23:43.32 | arencinosa | donaldo: but I don't know if it is the same with Debian, Slackware, Suse, etc |
| 23:43.39 | SlackRat | so different distros are different systems based on the same foundations |
| 23:43.40 | tabris|away | and i forgot 2k3. and Vista |
| 23:43.44 | SlackRat | semantics |
| 23:44.02 | donaldo | arencinosa: eh, the term "OS" is used pretty casually by most people, they wouldn't consider XP and 95 to be different Operating Systems (although many, including me, would) |
| 23:44.26 | SlackRat | if i say windows, you cant be sure which version, same for linux........ |
| 23:45.46 | SlackRat | i would too donaldo |
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| 23:45.47 | arencinosa | SlackRat: are you talking about kernel versions? |
| 23:45.48 | Vasistha | tabris|away: you don't remember windows 3.0 -- before they renamed unidentifed application errors to general protection faults? :D |
| 23:45.49 | h3sp4wn | donaldo: at what point does it become different (XP/2000) / (Debian 3.1/4.0) / (Ubuntu 6.10/7.04) ? |
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| 23:45.58 | SlackRat | no, the kernel is the linux kernel |
| 23:46.04 | tabris|away | Vasistha: sorry, 3.1 was the first version I think I ever used. |
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| 23:46.20 | SlackRat | all distros use it |
| 23:46.30 | ustunozgur | but the kernel might not be linux. |
| 23:46.35 | donaldo | h3sp4wn: i'd rather not think too hard about it |
| 23:46.39 | tabris|away | SlackRat: except of course Debian HURD or Debian KFreeBSD |
| 23:46.51 | SlackRat | given..... |
| 23:46.55 | Vasistha | tabris|away: hehheh. there was this ominous promise from microsoft about "no more uae's" ... and so they renamed them. the hangs continued, though |
| 23:47.04 | SlackRat | they were asking about linux OSs |
| 23:47.19 | tabris|away | SlackRat: but Debian KFreeBSD is _not_ a FreeBSD distribution! |
| 23:47.23 | SlackRat | otherwise, google Operating systems, linux, gnu, kernels |
| 23:47.28 | tabris|away | SlackRat: it's a GNU/FreeBSD distribution. |
| 23:47.29 | arencinosa | SlackRat: yes, I know Linux is the kernel, but I was asking about kernel versions against different OS's |
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| 23:47.58 | SlackRat | theres plenty out of there to read up on, if you re not sure...... |
| 23:47.58 | h3sp4wn | tabris|away: Have you used the HURD in recent times ? |
| 23:48.02 | donaldo | arencinosa: an interesting example of a project which really questions the boundaries of definitions of terms like "OS" is the Colinux distribution, which is the Linux kernel compiled as a Windows process with virtualized drivers which allow it interface more or less directly with your computer hardware using Windows as an intermediate layer with REAL drivers |
| 23:48.26 | tabris|away | h3sp4wn: no. esp as last I heard, they were stuck in an evolutionary deadend (re L4 using/requiring 4 rings, and X86_64 has only 2) |
| 23:48.33 | caracal | help, i seem to be wrapped around the axle here ... finally trying to upgrade my server that was sarge, now becoming etch ... problem seems to be that (a) i can't install libc6-2.3.6 without having kernel >= 2.4, and (b) can't install linux-image-2.6 without the new libc6 ... is there any alternative besides a fresh install? |
| 23:48.59 | tabris|away | caracal: upgrade properly to sarge first. |
| 23:49.11 | tabris|away | caracal: sounds like your box still had some potato/woody in it |
| 23:49.20 | arencinosa | donaldo: hmm, you are right |
| 23:49.24 | Vasistha | arencinosa: windows packages a kernel that's married to an operating system as well as a windowing system. linux, gnu coreutils, and all of the other apps available (as well as, of course, the other non-linux kernels) are not so tightly bound. So how do you define a "discrete" operating system? It's kinda ambiguous |
| 23:49.30 | caracal | it was kept current as sarge ... the problem is, i never upgraded my kernel to 2.4 |
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| 23:49.43 | tabris|away | caracal: then upgrade to sarge kernel 2.4. |
| 23:49.50 | SlackRat | and borders on #open source semantics |
| 23:49.51 | tabris|away | caracal: I didn't think that sarge had 2.2. just 2.4 and 2.6 |
| 23:50.02 | Vasistha | caracal: you might upgrade to 2.4 as an in-between step |
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| 23:50.11 | SlackRat | sarge was 2.4 and 2.6 |
| 23:50.18 | rique | is there a way to resize my HD while the system is runningw |
| 23:50.20 | rique | ? |
| 23:50.21 | ulf_k | since i use debian 4.0 i have problems running a tftp server for pxe boot |
| 23:50.31 | tabris|away | rique: maybe with a hammer or saw. |
| 23:50.47 | caracal | sarge had 2.2 available ... this was originally a woody system, and i never had any real reason to upgrade the kernel |
| 23:50.51 | rique | tabris|away, thnks |
| 23:50.54 | ulf_k | my old sarge with atftpd was working fine |
| 23:51.01 | SlackRat | i didnt find 2.2 on sarges install discs |
| 23:51.10 | SlackRat | tho you couldve kept your 2.2 |
| 23:51.18 | caracal | which is what i did |
| 23:51.37 | Vasistha | caracal: you did... which? Did you upgrade to 2.4 as an in-between, or.....? |
| 23:51.46 | caracal | Vasistha: i kept my 2.2 |
| 23:51.46 | tabris|away | caracal: yes, but that does mean you kept woody around for a while. |
| 23:51.57 | tabris|away | caracal: your sarge system is not pure sarge. |
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| 23:52.05 | arencinosa | "An operating system (OS) is a set of computer programs that manage the hardware and software resources of a computer." |
| 23:52.07 | Vasistha | caracal: well, so, you might try that now. upgrade to 2.4, then upgrade your libc6, then upgrade the kernel again (if you want to) |
| 23:52.17 | arencinosa | that's what wikipedia says... |
| 23:52.39 | SlackRat | if wiki says it it must be true.... |
| 23:52.46 | arencinosa | maybe we would consider all GNU/Linux distros as the same OS |
| 23:52.47 | donaldo | lol |
| 23:52.59 | Vasistha | arencinosa: as far as our discussion, that definition is kinda ambiguous -- although it would include the kernel as well as some of the gnu utils, I think, at the very least |
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| 23:53.19 | SlackRat | and the end result of such labeling has what effect on actually using linux?? |
| 23:53.19 | donaldo | maybe I am an operating system, i manage the hardware and software resources of my computer.. |
| 23:53.24 | SlackRat | or choosing it |
| 23:53.34 | Vasistha | arencinosa: what are you trying to understand? why are you asking these questions? |
| 23:53.36 | arencinosa | and Windows 3.x, Windows NT (and NT-based) and Windows Vista different OS's |
| 23:53.47 | SlackRat | or configuring apt get, portage or rpm based systems? |
| 23:54.07 | arencinosa | donaldo: hahaha |
| 23:54.09 | Vasistha | arencinosa: windows 95/98/ME was windows 4.0; windows NT was windows 5.0; I don't know that vista is considered 6.0, but it probably is. |
| 23:54.14 | tabris|away | rique: assuming you want to resize partitions (not your hard-drive) a) depends on your filesystem b) shrinking is a lot harder than growing. |
| 23:54.35 | SlackRat | download running linux by matt welsh, he goes into details about most aspects of running linux from intro to networking and covers a number of distrts |
| 23:54.58 | donaldo | if NT was 5.0, XP is 4.9 :P |
| 23:55.08 | Vasistha | donaldo: btw, I certainly hope you operate, and I certainly hope you are a system ;) |
| 23:55.09 | arencinosa | Vasistha: because I am trying to write me thesis and I am writing about GNU/Linux, but I need to know if I should talk in singular or in plural |
| 23:55.31 | tabris|away | donaldo: no... Win2k was NT 5.0. WinXP was 5.1 |
| 23:55.31 | Vasistha | arencinosa: prolly depends on your thesis. what's the thesis? |
| 23:55.47 | arencinosa | Vasistha: the version number doesn't matter, just the way in which the "core" interacts with hardware |
| 23:55.48 | SlackRat | see the welsh book..... ie do the research |
| 23:55.49 | donaldo | Vasistha: i am not a system, i am a discrete function of the natural universe. how dare you suggest that i am the sum of my parts like some kind of soulless animal. |
| 23:56.05 | SlackRat | donaldo , you are far from discrete... |
| 23:56.08 | SlackRat | :-P |
| 23:56.19 | donaldo | lol |
| 23:56.21 | Vasistha | donaldo: isn't a discrete function, in some sense at least, a system? ;) |
| 23:56.22 | arencinosa | Traffic Control under GNU/Linux |
| 23:56.22 | arencinosa | Vasistha: Traffic Control under GNU/Linux |
| 23:56.40 | donaldo | tabris|away: i don't consider taking kill -9 out of your system made it _better_ |
| 23:56.50 | SlackRat | irc chats make very poor footnotes in a thesis btw.......go to the sources if you dont know the terminology |
| 23:57.07 | SlackRat | this is #debian |
| 23:57.07 | tabris|away | donaldo: NT 5.0 was, well, NT. NT 5.1 wasn't NT anymore. |
| 23:57.20 | SlackRat | and NT aint Vista |
| 23:58.26 | h3sp4wn | and windows aint anything to do with #debian |
| 23:58.50 | Vasistha | arencinosa: well, the way in which the core interacts with the hardware is a function of the kernel, so in that sense, the 2.2, 2.4, and 2.6 trees have some significant differences afaik |
| 23:59.32 | tabris|away | h3sp4wn: what, nobody's going ot make a Debian Win64 ? |
| 23:59.52 | h3sp4wn | tabris|away: debian/w32 failed |
