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| 00:00.11 | streuner | !sunday |
| 00:00.11 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 00:00.16 | SlackRat | Vasistha, my hardware agrees with you,,,,heh |
| 00:00.28 | SlackRat | lmao@dpkg |
| 00:00.43 | SlackRat | rofl |
| 00:00.44 | tabris|away | not sunday yet (well, not here it isn't. hell, it's only midnight on sunday GMT) |
| 00:00.55 | stew | that factiod switched from 'tards' to 'trolls' at some point, didn't it? |
| 00:00.56 | SlackRat | !monday |
| 00:00.56 | dpkg | Looks like someone is having a case of the mondays!, or see tuesday |
| 00:01.04 | tabris|away | !tuesday |
| 00:01.04 | dpkg | it has been said that tuesday is soylent green day |
| 00:01.09 | SlackRat | lmao |
| 00:01.13 | rich__ | How can I specify which packages to mirror for a repository I'm creating? i just need a bootstrap and some other packages |
| 00:01.15 | tabris|away | !friday |
| 00:01.16 | dpkg | i heard friday is Freshman Friday |
| 00:01.20 | stew | what? |
| 00:01.39 | arencinosa | Vasistha: in that case, we are right :) |
| 00:01.40 | stew | !no friday is tadsday eve eve |
| 00:01.41 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 00:01.42 | rich__ | Do i need to go through each package's dependencies manually and d/l the appropriate packages, or is there an easier way |
| 00:01.47 | stew | !no friday is tardsday eve eve |
| 00:01.47 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 00:02.02 | rich__ | i've d/l 4gb already and i'm only on main/k/ |
| 00:02.09 | rich__ | have yet to do contrib/non-free |
| 00:02.13 | Vasistha | rich__: you might want to use a net install cd for a bootstrap |
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| 00:02.26 | Vasistha | rich__: furthermore, you probably want to actually read the info on mirroring. |
| 00:02.45 | Vasistha | !tell rich__ -about mirrors |
| 00:02.48 | viator | how can i tell if my wireless card and touchpad are using the same resources |
| 00:02.56 | caracal | i fear the only thing for it at this point is to reinstall ... if i'd known this was going to happen, i probably could have upgraded my kernel separately first, but oh well |
| 00:03.28 | Vasistha | caracal: is there some reason you can't install a 2.4 kernel right now? |
| 00:03.40 | stew | caracal: have you read the etch release notes? afaik it covers your situation explicitly |
| 00:03.48 | viator | as soon as i get the frimware and get my wireless set up my touchpad starts acting up |
| 00:03.55 | caracal | apparently ... my aptitude doesn't list a viable 2.4 kernel package |
| 00:04.05 | viator | so im guessing there is a conflict or somthing |
| 00:04.10 | stew | caracal: you'll need sarge sources to install a 2.4 kernel |
| 00:04.28 | tabris|away | caracal: make sure that your apt/sources.list is on sarge, not etch. |
| 00:04.29 | SlackRat | when i added the modules for my wifi on the lappy, my sound starting working |
| 00:04.34 | stew | "< caracal> sarge had 2.2 available" <- this, btw, is false |
| 00:04.49 | caracal | my apt-sources points to "stable" |
| 00:04.50 | h3sp4wn | m68k used 2.2 afaik |
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| 00:04.53 | SlackRat | i told him..... :-P |
| 00:05.09 | SlackRat | he had one from woody when he installed sarge |
| 00:05.15 | caracal | stew: okay, i guess just nothing forced me to remove it during all my upgrades |
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| 00:05.33 | caracal | this system has been running since 2000 |
| 00:05.45 | caracal | and upgraded pretty regularly in all that time |
| 00:05.54 | caracal | the woody -> sarge upgrade went pretty well, iirc |
| 00:05.58 | stew | caracal: what cpu do you have? |
| 00:06.03 | caracal | k6 |
| 00:06.06 | arencinosa | Vasistha, SlackRat, donaldo, tabris|away, h3sp4wn, ...thanks!! |
| 00:06.44 | caracal | it'll prolly be quicker just to download a minimal cd image and do a fresh install ... i have a full backup, was just seeing if i could avoid that |
| 00:06.46 | stew | caracal: change your sources.list to point to sarge, aptitude update ; aptitude install kernel-image-2.6-386 ; reboot; then read the release notes for upgrading to etch: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 00:07.15 | caracal | stew: okey-doke, thanks |
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| 00:07.56 | Vasistha | caracal: I think stew may have meant kernel-image-2.4 there |
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| 00:08.27 | stew | Vasistha: no, i did not |
| 00:08.29 | Vasistha | or perhaps not ... perhaps sarge's 2.6 will install okay with the system as you've got it |
| 00:08.42 | caracal | i don't mind winding up with a 2.6 kernel ... this seems as good a time as any to catch up to the 21st century <g> |
| 00:08.52 | stew | the release notes explicityly tell one to install a sarge 2.6 kernel in his situation |
| 00:08.59 | caracal | i've just been following the policy that if it works, don't screw with it |
| 00:09.05 | stew | caracal: only 2.6 kernels are supported in etch |
| 00:09.11 | caracal | no surprise there |
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| 00:09.30 | stew | explicityly is an awesome word |
| 00:10.00 | caracal | it's perfectly cromulent |
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| 00:10.41 | SlackRat | warniing: the debian channel has explicit discussions of kernels and package managers, for mature audiences only |
| 00:10.56 | caracal | anyway, i'm not trying to say that this isn't my fault, for not going over the release notes beforehand ... i'm just being a whiner, hoping maybe there was an easy out ... now it's time to man up and do the job right |
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| 00:12.01 | leafw | is there any way to see the processors load from the command line, separately for each processor like in the GUI app System Monitor ? |
| 00:12.05 | leafw | and I don't mean 'top', which gives a combined load |
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| 00:13.55 | Taza | Two problems. |
| 00:14.14 | Taza | #1: I could use a "newbie's guide" / "nifty tricks" for Debian - I'm feeling completely newb-ish. |
| 00:14.32 | Vasistha | Taza: depends entirely on what you want to do, but there is the debian reference manual |
| 00:14.36 | gordboy | leafw: have a look around in /proc |
| 00:14.55 | amerej | im trying to setup my laptop network card i set ip + netmask and when i ping my gateway (one switch away) it responds "destination host unreachable" and after a while (3-4secs) i get raw on the console 2 repeated lines "NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth1: transmit timedout" and 0000:00:10:0: tulip_stop_rxtx() failed |
| 00:14.56 | Taza | #2: I can't get my sound to work. It's a compaq armada 7800 laptop with IIRC audiodrive audio - lspci doesn't show, don't know what package has lsisa, and have no idea how to actually get it working. |
| 00:15.04 | leafw | gordboy : thanks; I only know /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 00:15.20 | caracal | and yes, now that i'm reading the release notes, it does say "upgrade to the 2.6 kernel before upgrading glibc" ... sigh |
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| 00:16.02 | Taza | Sorry, way bored. |
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| 00:16.05 | leafw | I see, /proc/stat thanks |
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| 00:18.03 | Vasistha | Taza: I've got an armada 1750, and it's got an isa soundcard that's buggy; perhaps yours is similar. You should check out laptop links for your specific model: |
| 00:18.04 | Vasistha | !laptop |
| 00:18.04 | dpkg | laptop is probably All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, see http://www.thinkwiki.org/ |
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| 00:18.43 | garo | What's the difference between linux-image-xen-vserver-686, linux-image-xen-686 and linux-image-vserver-686 ? |
| 00:18.55 | Taza | I *hate* compaq machines. |
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| 00:19.39 | Vasistha | Taza: heh, I've been running linux on this machine for 4 years now, and only recently have I actually gotten everything working on it ;) |
| 00:19.41 | h3sp4wn | garo: (xen and vserver),( xen), (vserver) Its unlikely you would want both |
| 00:20.28 | Guerin | whee, the 512MB stick of DDR i found works! |
| 00:20.29 | Vasistha | (and that's everything that I *need* ... dunno if I could get the winmodem, irda, or gamepot working, but I also don't think I'll ever have occasion to find out) |
| 00:20.41 | Vasistha | Guerin: happy day! |
| 00:20.50 | Guerin | free ram for free++ |
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| 00:21.30 | garo | h3sp4wn: but what is vserver ? |
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| 00:21.56 | h3sp4wn | garo: search google for what xen and vserver are they are virtualisation technologies |
| 00:22.13 | garo | i want to use xen to create a virtual server |
| 00:22.13 | Taza | And no such help there. Damnit. |
| 00:22.19 | SlackRat | !google |
| 00:22.19 | dpkg | somebody said google was a search engine owned by Google Inc. whose mission statement is to "organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful." The largest search engine on the web, Google receives over 200 million queries each day through its various services. It's website can be found at http://www.google.com |
| 00:22.20 | Taza | Debian never just works, but at least it isn't Gentoo. |
| 00:22.35 | Vasistha | Taza: no pages specifically on the 7800? That was kind of a quick search :P |
| 00:22.36 | h3sp4wn | Debian almost always just works |
| 00:22.37 | SlackRat | lol |
| 00:22.48 | Guerin | debian has always just worked for me |
| 00:22.53 | Guerin | then again |
| 00:23.06 | Taza | Debian has NEVER just worked for me. |
| 00:23.10 | Guerin | i don't buy the latest and most expensive shit |
| 00:23.10 | bzed | garo: i hope not on your desktop |
| 00:23.27 | Vasistha | Taza: try one of the 7400 pages, it might have the same hardware |
| 00:23.32 | Taza | But, I can install it from floppies, which means it gets installed often |
| 00:23.39 | SlackRat | loaded sabayon gentoo, which takes a half hour, then wiped it when i realized open office would take three to five hours to emerge |
| 00:23.57 | DocPlatypus | SlackRat: this is why I quit running FreeBSD |
| 00:23.58 | h3sp4wn | garo: install xen-linux-system-2.6.18-4-xen-686 then |
| 00:24.09 | SlackRat | debain is a nightmare on my lappy and great on my desktop |
| 00:24.25 | SlackRat | yeah, i like the bsd add_pkg option |
| 00:24.29 | DocPlatypus | i was going to install Gentoo on what wound up being my primary desktop for a while, then realized that's like buying a bicycle because my car is too slow |
| 00:24.31 | Vasistha | Guerin: you don't buy the latest and most expensive ... and are also not stuck with the oldest and buggiest proprietary firmware :) |
| 00:24.43 | bzed | garo: you should really learn about vserver and xen before trying to isntall anything of them, much to know to do so. also note that xen will NOT work with the ati or nvidia closed source driver |
| 00:24.56 | Taza | Yeah, getting Debian to work on a desktop wasn't more than a few days of work as a newb. |
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| 00:25.15 | Taza | It didn't just work, but I could fix it. This laptop however? It's awesome, but working on it is much, much harder. |
| 00:25.18 | Guerin | Vasistha: i thought those two things went hand-in-hand |
| 00:25.34 | Guerin | Taza: what laptop? |
| 00:25.39 | amerej | im trying to setup my laptop network card i set ip + netmask and when i ping my gateway (one switch away) it responds "destination host unreachable" and after a while (3-4secs) i get raw on the console 2 repeated lines "NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth1: transmit timedout" and 0000:00:10:0: tulip_stop_rxtx() failed |
| 00:25.43 | Taza | Compaq Armada 7800 |
| 00:25.51 | Vasistha | Guerin: not really. they're really two very distinct groups of people: short-sighted people with lots of money, and short-sighted people without much money ;) |
| 00:26.02 | Taza | Why can't I ever find a laptop of as good quality that isn't a &%#%%# Compaq?!? |
| 00:26.19 | Taza | I keep having compaq machines that are absolute nightmares to get working with Linux mostly 'cause I get 'em for so cheap. |
| 00:26.35 | leafw | any hints on reading the smart of the hd? |
| 00:26.41 | rich__ | i have an offbrand Fry's GQ series laptop, pretty decent |
| 00:26.47 | SlackRat | lappys bleh, i ended up putting sidux on the lappy .......too many etch headaches, so close yet so far......cept for sound and wifi, it was great....heh |
| 00:26.53 | rich__ | 2.4 celery processor |
| 00:27.06 | DocPlatypus | does MadTux have good stuff? |
| 00:27.08 | caracal | gack, this is hopeless ... if i'd switched my sources.list to sarge, then upgraded my kernel, *before* starting all this, it might have worked |
| 00:27.12 | DocPlatypus | or are their computers crap |
| 00:27.31 | Guerin | Vasistha: heh |
| 00:27.34 | Guerin | !beer Vasistha |
| 00:27.36 | DocPlatypus | and this old Compaq desktop had little to no issue working with Debian |
| 00:27.42 | DocPlatypus | then again... |
| 00:27.46 | DocPlatypus | it's damned old |
| 00:28.03 | DocPlatypus | 0.8GHz Celeron |
| 00:28.05 | Guerin | i have a thinkpadt42 |
| 00:28.08 | Guerin | it Just Works |
| 00:28.29 | SlackRat | always found debian on a desktop to be a breeze.....shouldve learned after my tenth attempt on a lappy its all uphill |
| 00:28.34 | Guerin | the only gripe i have is that the battery life is somewhat shorter thanh on windows |
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| 00:28.45 | DocPlatypus | planning on getting something with a 2.00 GHz Core 2 Duo for my new laptop |
| 00:28.48 | Guerin | i probably need to build a kernelw ith the undervolting stuff |
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| 00:28.58 | Guerin | DocPlatypus: why? |
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| 00:29.10 | DocPlatypus | maybe a 2.16 GHz if I can spring for it |
| 00:29.27 | caracal | in my defense, the release notes don't explicitly say "using a sarge sources.list" ... it's suggested indirectly, but i'd probably have overlooked that even if i'd read them |
| 00:29.36 | rich__ | battery draining |
| 00:29.37 | rich__ | ;) |
| 00:29.47 | DocPlatypus | Guerin: AMD hasn't done anything towards being open with how to talk to their ATi video hardware now that they own ATi so I feel less comfortable buying their hardware now |
| 00:30.04 | SlackRat | its ok caracal, youre in denial, the road to acceptance and inner peace is long |
| 00:30.07 | SlackRat | :-P |
| 00:30.12 | caracal | heh |
| 00:30.28 | Guerin | rich__: yeah. Like buying a 3-door jap import hatch and putting a twin turbo on it, so you can have the fuel economy of a muscle car |
| 00:30.35 | DocPlatypus | I hear that Intel is trying to be friendlier in that department though on Wi-Fi it seems like just about everyone besides Ralink and a few others I forget is just as bad |
| 00:30.38 | caracal | it clearly runs through a netinst cd image |
| 00:30.43 | Guerin | DocPlatypus: they've *talked* about doing something, which is a damn site more than nvidia. |
| 00:30.52 | SlackRat | the cow powers in this one very strong are......yes...... |
| 00:31.03 | Guerin | DocPlatypus: intel's wifi isn't too evil. You need a blob, but they do work. |
| 00:31.13 | DocPlatypus | Guerin: agreed... but I get better vibes from Intel now, they have obviously learned from the Pentium fiasco |
| 00:31.18 | SlackRat | lol |
| 00:31.20 | Guerin | oh |
| 00:31.23 | DocPlatypus | and the Intel Wi-Fis don't need a blob |
| 00:31.29 | Guerin | you buy hardware on vibes? |
| 00:31.40 | Guerin | DocPlatypus: they most assuredly do. I have one. |
| 00:31.46 | Vasistha | DocPlatypus: well, the ATI buyout wasn't *that* long ago ... give AMD a little time! |
| 00:31.48 | DocPlatypus | anything that works under OpenBSD doesn't need a blob per se |
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| 00:32.23 | DocPlatypus | the firmware is one thing... handing me a binary and expecting me to run it on a "trust me" basis is unacceptable |
| 00:32.23 | Guerin | DocPlatypus: they need a blob under linux, though. OBSD wifi drivers are *awesome* |
| 00:32.28 | h3sp4wn | DocPlatypus: the reverse engineered atheros hal on openbsd is still a blob |
| 00:32.52 | DocPlatypus | Guerin: there is a driver that doesn't require a blob |
| 00:32.59 | DocPlatypus | for the Intel wi-fi |
| 00:33.00 | SlackRat | damn, etch is so much faster on this desktop than sarge was....... |
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| 00:33.29 | DocPlatypus | it's not the "officially authorized by Intel (C) (R) (TM)" driver of course |
| 00:33.31 | sudo_maddash | !damn small |
| 00:33.38 | Taza | Ah, google, and adapting guides from other OS's |
| 00:33.39 | shogunx | DocPlatypus, the no-blob atheros driver is coming along nicely also. |
| 00:33.56 | h3sp4wn | DocPlatypus: Still needs firmware - http://intellinuxwireless.org/?p=mac80211 |
| 00:33.58 | sudo_maddash | where's the damn small channel? |
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| 00:34.11 | h3sp4wn | shogunx: It is ? |
| 00:34.21 | DocPlatypus | firmware blobs are as far as I go, I try to avoid even that |
| 00:34.41 | rich__ | sudo_maddash, maybe #dsl |
| 00:34.41 | shogunx | h3sp4wn, yes. the hal is being replaced with openhal. |
| 00:34.49 | h3sp4wn | shogunx: openhal is still a blob |
| 00:34.50 | Taza | Okay, I got sound working |
| 00:34.55 | Guerin | DocPlatypus: link., |
| 00:35.02 | DocPlatypus | I don't remember it |
| 00:35.02 | Guerin | DocPlatypus: i don't believe you |
| 00:35.07 | Taza | Now for bluetooth. And then rigging it so that it can make a GPRS connection through bluetooth through my mobile. *sigh* |
| 00:35.13 | sudo_maddash | rich__: grazie. |
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| 00:35.14 | shogunx | h3sp4wn, no, its not. its based on bsd's ar5k. you get source for it. |
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| 00:35.21 | Taza | And then learning iptables. Good god. |
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| 00:35.33 | h3sp4wn | shogunx: Have you actually looked at it ? |
| 00:35.39 | DocPlatypus | Guerin: go to your favorite search engine and try "intel 3945 driver free software" |
| 00:35.42 | Guerin | Taza: you lke top make yourself work, no? |
| 00:35.43 | DocPlatypus | or something similar |
| 00:35.50 | DocPlatypus | I know I eventually found it at least twice |
| 00:35.51 | shogunx | h3sp4wn, i've added a bit of code actually. |
| 00:35.59 | Guerin | DocPlatypus: ok, so *one* particular card. |
| 00:36.12 | Taza | Guerin: Yeah, I want this damn laptop working so that I can use it anywhere. |
| 00:36.19 | DocPlatypus | the 3945 is what I would be getting |
| 00:36.37 | Guerin | !intel |
| 00:36.37 | dpkg | from memory, intel is http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net/NOTICE |
| 00:36.41 | DocPlatypus | ideally I'm going to get something Ralink-based too if I can find one that has an external antenna jack |
| 00:36.53 | shogunx | h3sp4wn, there is a seperate madwifi branch for it. |
| 00:36.53 | Guerin | that ↑ is among the funniest things I ever read |
| 00:37.03 | Taza | Guerin: And eventually, learn to code. Well. I have a feeling I have to learn to code to get this thing working. |
| 00:37.12 | shogunx | DocPlatypus, i have a surplus of ralink 2500's in mini-pci if you like. |
| 00:37.23 | Guerin | DocPlatypus: the linux ralink drivers are quite shit |
| 00:37.32 | Guerin | the rt2500, anyway |
| 00:37.40 | Guerin | and the rt73 as well |
| 00:38.01 | shogunx | Guerin, with the new kernel 802.11 stack, that might change for lots of chips... |
| 00:38.04 | h3sp4wn | shogunx: I know and its still obfusicated |
| 00:38.17 | shogunx | h3sp4wn, howso? |
| 00:38.33 | Guerin | shogunx: i don't see it changing the fact tyhat there's no master mode, and ad-hoc only works at 11mB/s |
| 00:38.41 | Guerin | meh, Mb/s |
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| 00:38.52 | h3sp4wn | shogunx: There should be no need at all for any hal whatsoever |
| 00:39.03 | h3sp4wn | shogunx: anything that needs to be done should be done by firmware and the driver |
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| 00:39.15 | DocPlatypus | yeah the notice is pretty stupid... I guess Intel does have to legally cover their donkey |
| 00:39.15 | shogunx | Guerin master mode is pretty critical for me too... |
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| 00:39.30 | h3sp4wn | Guerin: It should work in master mode because it uses the mac80211 stack |
| 00:39.41 | kairu0 | i've set my X resolution to 1680x1050, but X creates a virtual resolution of 1680x1200. is this an aspect ratio problem? how can i fix this? |
| 00:39.48 | Guerin | shogunx: the obsd driver has master mode, and full-rate ad-hoc; and is ~10% the size of the linux driver ... but has no WPA |
| 00:39.57 | shogunx | h3sp4wn the hal is essentially the firmware |
| 00:40.05 | DocPlatypus | kairu0: probably just need to hack xorg.conf to give you a virtual desktop of 1680x1050 |
| 00:40.15 | Guerin | kairu0: lcd or crt? |
| 00:40.24 | DocPlatypus | WPA is the old crappy encryption right? |
| 00:40.33 | h3sp4wn | shogunx: No way I buy that |
| 00:40.33 | Guerin | DocPlatypus: no,that would be WEP |
| 00:40.37 | DocPlatypus | ah |
| 00:40.40 | shogunx | h3sp4wn, it just gets loaded at initialization, instead of residing in the chip. |
| 00:40.59 | h3sp4wn | shogunx: No need for anything to run in kernel space then |
| 00:41.05 | kairu0 | Guerin, lcd (connected to laptop) |
| 00:41.06 | shogunx | Guerin, OBSD ralink driver has master? |
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| 00:41.20 | Guerin | shogunx: yes indeed. And is rock-solid. |
| 00:41.22 | nzk | Is it at all possible to make my server turn back on after it shuts off |
| 00:41.28 | nzk | Like after a long blackout |
| 00:41.32 | Guerin | nzk: depends on the server, and why it shut off. |
| 00:41.39 | DocPlatypus | nzk: your BIOS settings need to be changed for this |
| 00:41.42 | nzk | Because the power went out |
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| 00:41.50 | Guerin | nzk: many biosen have a `what do to after powerfail' toggle |
| 00:41.57 | nzk | And if I'm not there, that is _BAD_ |
| 00:42.15 | Morydd | I'm trying to run xorg, and am getting an error: Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 00:42.24 | shogunx | h3sp4wn, notwithstanding, the hal was the only closed component. with its replacement, the chipset is liberated. |
| 00:42.26 | Morydd | however lsmod shows nvidia is installed |
| 00:42.34 | aruiz | Morydd: that is not a kernel module |
| 00:42.41 | SlackRat | nvidia or nv is installed? |
| 00:42.49 | aruiz | Morydd: it is an X module, it seems that you've lost your Xorg nvidia driver |
| 00:42.55 | SlackRat | you need to install kernel modules |
| 00:43.09 | h3sp4wn | shogunx: It will be liberated when there is no hal |
| 00:43.12 | aruiz | Morydd: reinstall the nvidia propietary drivers or change the entry "nvidia" to "nv" in the xorg.conf |
| 00:43.32 | Morydd | I've followed the instructions on the wiki. Where do I need to look to find where that install failed? |
| 00:43.51 | shogunx | h3sp4wn, then what is your opinion on the 802.11s Marvell chipsets in the OLPCs? |
| 00:44.24 | h3sp4wn | shogunx: Not looked at it |
| 00:44.49 | Guerin | Morydd: /msg dpkg nvidia one liner |
| 00:44.54 | SlackRat | http://benhay.blogspot.com/2006/11/installing-nvidia-drivers-in-etch.html |
| 00:45.05 | SlackRat | this is what i followed yesterday, worked like a charm |
| 00:45.39 | shogunx | Guerin, well, it stands to reason that if the chip can do master, someone will get around to writing that into the kernel or a package eventually. i would say the new 802.11 stack in the kernel will precede any new dev on that. |
| 00:46.22 | SlackRat | just remember to note the post further down about changing nv to nvidia which the author forgot to mention......... |
| 00:46.39 | shogunx | h3sp4wn, it is an actual system on chip that does routing and repeating for other mesh nodes, even when the system processor is powered down. totally closed. |
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| 00:46.40 | Guerin | shogunx: i think the linux driver is actually written by ralink engineers, and it's a quick hack-job. The OBSD driver is a complete rewrite. |
| 00:46.56 | shogunx | Guerin, makes sense to me. |
| 00:47.00 | SlackRat | the new kernel stack was useless so far for my ralink on Sid..... |
| 00:47.13 | h3sp4wn | shogunx: I should have known , marvell is known for that |
| 00:47.31 | h3sp4wn | SlackRat: did you take rt2x00 from git ? |
| 00:47.34 | SlackRat | i ll wait for another release or two till it stabillizes a bit |
| 00:47.39 | shogunx | h3sp4wn, there has been quite a row over it. |
| 00:47.45 | SlackRat | git? |
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| 00:47.51 | h3sp4wn | shogunx: rightly so |
| 00:47.51 | SlackRat | i installed from apt |
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| 00:48.10 | h3sp4wn | There is your problem then its only maintained inside git now |
| 00:48.27 | SlackRat | aaha....k, cool thanks.....may give it another shot then |
| 00:48.33 | h3sp4wn | You need http://intellinuxwireless.org/?p=mac80211 |
| 00:48.56 | h3sp4wn | either 2.6.22-rc? or anything earlier with that stack backport |
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| 00:49.39 | SlackRat | wifi page bookmarked.... |
| 00:49.39 | ice63 | msg dpkg mplayer |
| 00:49.41 | shogunx | h3sp4wn, i agree. i just do not see your problem with the atheros implementation. atheros gave us a firmware that loads dynamically... no flash necessary. they did it to save cost on the chipset. they claimed the fcc required this part to be closed. we implemented a replacement hal that can be built from source with no blob. |
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| 00:50.15 | SlackRat | OMG.....solar wolf actually works on etch............ |
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| 00:50.24 | SlackRat | i was about to go back to windows..... |
| 00:50.26 | SlackRat | lmao |
| 00:50.27 | DocPlatypus | in 10 years the bands used for wi-fi will be just as dirty as CB radio |
| 00:50.33 | shogunx | h3sp4wn, you want to permenantly write that part to the atheros chip? linuxbios level of hack? |
| 00:50.55 | DocPlatypus | you're not supposed to cuss on CB radio. now, turn your CB to channel 19 during peak traffic hour and just wait until someone says a cuss word |
| 00:51.18 | h3sp4wn | shogunx: I just want to use the driver to control the features that the atheros (according to its specifications supports in HARDWARE) |
| 00:51.48 | shogunx | h3sp4wn, howso, specifically? which features? |
| 00:52.45 | h3sp4wn | shogunx: CCMP / TKIP etc according to the specs sheets are supported in hardware |
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| 00:55.27 | h3sp4wn | shogunx: Its not a real driver until there is no hal (and won't go into the linux kernel with a hal its already been stated) |
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| 00:56.01 | shogunx | h3sp4wn, have not fooled with the crypto on it. you want to be able to access that directly? |
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| 00:57.44 | liable | h3sp4wn: bullshit, the openhal version will get in if it ever gets the bugs ironed out |
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| 00:58.17 | shogunx | liable, i concur. |
| 00:58.24 | liable | which chips support wpa in hardware? |
| 00:58.39 | liable | without the supplicant |
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| 01:05.28 | GhostlyDeath | How can I make it so a white box covers my entire screen? |
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| 01:07.39 | SlackRat | did the monitor come in a big white box? |
| 01:08.45 | nzk | Do I need drivers for a USB hub or will it just *work*? |
| 01:08.51 | GhostlyDeath | lol |
| 01:08.56 | GhostlyDeath | That's funny |
| 01:09.00 | GhostlyDeath | anyway |
| 01:09.00 | SlackRat | usb just worked for me on etch |
| 01:09.03 | GhostlyDeath | I bought a new monitor |
| 01:09.11 | GhostlyDeath | hmm |
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| 01:09.23 | SlackRat | take out the stryofoam things and put the box over the screen, should cover it |
| 01:09.25 | GhostlyDeath | Could be the 60hz for 1280x800 and 85hz for everything else |
| 01:09.30 | nzk | I mean a hub |
| 01:09.34 | GhostlyDeath | Auto adjust adjusts it wrong |
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| 01:09.36 | nzk | Like to make alot of ports |
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| 01:10.05 | SlackRat | yeah, i lowered my res a notch for a better refresh,,,,,, i hate flicker |
| 01:10.15 | GhostlyDeath | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:10.20 | GhostlyDeath | no flicker |
| 01:10.23 | GhostlyDeath | no ghosting either |
| 01:10.25 | GhostlyDeath | 8ms |
| 01:10.50 | SlackRat | oh......always had headaches with deb on this lappy........especially the right X conf...... |
| 01:11.07 | GhostlyDeath | My laptop uses 1280x800 |
| 01:11.14 | GhostlyDeath | but the screen goes up to 1280x1024 |
| 01:11.44 | SlackRat | yeah, thats what debian picked for mine.....but on a crt with a 60 refresh...... |
| 01:11.57 | GhostlyDeath | 1024x768 works perfectly |
| 01:12.08 | SlackRat | have you tried adding the config you want? is it even an option on xorg.conf atm? |
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| 01:12.24 | GhostlyDeath | Anything 85Hz = perfect |
| 01:12.28 | GhostlyDeath | anything lower and it doesn't adjust right |
| 01:12.49 | GhostlyDeath | How would I config my monitor? |
| 01:12.51 | GhostlyDeath | err |
| 01:12.52 | GhostlyDeath | Xorg |
| 01:12.55 | SlackRat | hmn.....and what does 1024 give you, the right 85 hz result? |
| 01:13.00 | GhostlyDeath | yeah |
| 01:13.04 | GhostlyDeath | same witn 800 and 6t40 |
| 01:13.07 | SlackRat | there ya go |
| 01:13.09 | SlackRat | heh |
| 01:13.11 | GhostlyDeath | but 1280x800 is 60Hz |
| 01:13.21 | GhostlyDeath | How can I get 1280x800 w/ 85Hz |
| 01:13.23 | SlackRat | have you run xorgconfig? |
| 01:13.43 | GhostlyDeath | doesn't exist |
| 01:14.23 | SlackRat | theres a few deb tools for monitor and x......debconfigurator, xserver-xorg.......apt get a couple and run them and see it can automagicaly find the happy medium |
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| 01:15.42 | SlackRat | xserver-xorg auto-configuration, discover / mdetect/ read-edid, xdebconfigurator are some options |
| 01:15.58 | SlackRat | cli tools |
| 01:16.52 | SlackRat | or were, unless etch changed all that.... |
| 01:17.04 | GhostlyDeath | none of those exist |
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| 01:17.13 | SlackRat | apt-get em |
| 01:17.33 | GhostlyDeath | I use synaptic |
| 01:17.52 | GhostlyDeath | mdetect is for mice |
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| 01:18.00 | SlackRat | synaptic uses apt so if its in the repos it should show up there |
| 01:18.41 | SlackRat | but the threesome with discover and read edid got me out of a few xorg jams in the past |
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| 01:19.26 | SlackRat | there was another, similar to xorgconfig.....similar in name iirc............ |
| 01:19.43 | SlackRat | cant remember it now, but it attempts to automatically configure x for you |
| 01:20.13 | debianuser | hi...for some reason since yesterday when i login multiple gnome-screensavers begin to open until the system crashes...also if i join irc with issi without opening xserver \\\\\ these start to appear for no reason...any ideas??? |
| 01:20.32 | SlackRat | or edit the files and see if you can add your own specs to get it to work |
| 01:21.02 | SlackRat | debianuser, god is telling you to use KDE |
| 01:21.04 | SlackRat | :-P |
| 01:21.11 | debianuser | yeah, thanx |
| 01:21.17 | debianuser | any proper answer pleas? |
| 01:21.22 | debianuser | please |
| 01:21.55 | SlackRat | remove and reinstall the gnome screensavers? what happens then? |
| 01:22.15 | SlackRat | first login when they are removed |
| 01:22.22 | SlackRat | then reinstall and see..... |
| 01:22.23 | DawnLight | which mail program i should install so that it will serve the php mail() function? |
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| 01:22.32 | Yetiamchosen | You guys are never ever ever quiet.... >.< |
| 01:23.05 | SlackRat | endless mindless chatter, its a nasty job but someone has to do it |
| 01:23.20 | debianuser | SlackRat: i did not try it because as i mentioned it also happens when i am not in xserver when \\\\\ this happens |
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| 01:24.16 | SlackRat | yeah, but im looking at one problem at a time........by these \\\\\\\\ you mean what? |
| 01:25.32 | SlackRat | i wouldnt necessarily equate gnome screensavers running out of control with problems encountered without using x |
| 01:25.34 | debianuser | that \\\\\ is writen on its own like someone is pressing the key |
| 01:25.57 | SlackRat | hmn, thats what i though, never saw or heard of that.....you on a lappy? |
| 01:26.06 | debianuser | yep |
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| 01:26.33 | SlackRat | have you tried disabling all the acpi and apic functions ? at boot? |
| 01:26.57 | SlackRat | sounds like a control and power management issue, imo |
| 01:27.14 | SlackRat | which lappys are notorious for |
| 01:27.36 | debianuser | it suddently happened...for some months now it has been running smoothly |
| 01:27.52 | SlackRat | any recent changes at all? |
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| 01:28.00 | SlackRat | add new apps? tweaks? |
| 01:28.32 | debianuser | well i think it happened after i updated some samba files |
| 01:29.02 | SlackRat | damn that sounds annoying..... |
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| 01:29.19 | DawnLight | debianuser: physical problem, perhaps? any way to check that? |
| 01:29.21 | SlackRat | any similar reports on google or the forums? |
| 01:29.38 | SlackRat | yeah, next guess is hardware going wonky |
| 01:29.56 | debianuser | i havent found nothing on the net |
| 01:30.19 | debianuser | and i will probably need to reformat it and hopefully get rid of it |
| 01:30.29 | debianuser | i will try uninstalling first |
| 01:30.41 | SlackRat | anyway you can monitor cpu etc, and processes before this happens and find what the runaway seems to be from? |
| 01:30.43 | vchrizz | Wyzard: big thx for your help, got the server running again ;) |
| 01:31.05 | SlackRat | roll back the samba........or remove, then see |
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| 01:31.22 | Wyzard | vchrizz: cool |
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| 01:32.01 | LinuxNIT | can someone tell me how to get xev to recognize that i have 4 mouse buttons not 3? (my 4th button registers as button 2) |
| 01:33.04 | SlackRat | see what /etc/ X11/ xorg.conf/ says about your mouse, how many buttons listed there.... |
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| 01:33.28 | LinuxNIT | 6 |
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| 01:33.56 | LinuxNIT | i added that but it had no effect |
| 01:34.22 | SlackRat | if i recall, i had to have five to properly use three, you may need '7' not 6...... |
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| 01:34.54 | SlackRat | three buttons did not equate to three in xorg...... |
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| 01:35.09 | LinuxNIT | oh i thought it was just two more than what the mouse has to compensate for the scroll wheel |
| 01:35.11 | LinuxNIT | ill try it |
| 01:35.16 | plasmab | hi, can i ask why the stable deb-src doesnt seem to include sources for python2.3? even though it has the binary? |
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| 01:35.34 | SlackRat | maybe google the issue first, sounds like youre on the right track tho |
| 01:35.48 | LinuxNIT | i tried :-/ |
| 01:35.51 | LinuxNIT | restarting X |
| 01:35.54 | SlackRat | theres always kmouse......heh |
| 01:35.59 | SlackRat | and ? |
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| 01:37.05 | LinuxNIT | even with buttons 7 it still registers as button 2 in xev |
| 01:37.14 | SlackRat | hmn..... |
| 01:37.46 | SlackRat | universal operating system meets mulitversal hardware, bleh |
| 01:38.41 | SlackRat | take a quick spin thru google for your hardware on etch yet? |
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| 01:39.08 | LinuxNIT | well i did but for linux not etch specificaly |
| 01:39.13 | LinuxNIT | ill go again |
| 01:39.34 | SlackRat | try the hw brand and etch on whichever desktop environment as well |
| 01:40.06 | SlackRat | debians got so many lil tools for these things i cant keep track of em |
| 01:40.34 | LinuxNIT | lol i added the mouse model number and that killed the search... 1 result |
| 01:41.33 | SlackRat | brand, debian version and DE.....try that |
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| 01:42.35 | DawnLight | i am doing dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config and i am not sure which option i should choose. only purpose exim4 will have is sending mail using some smtp service. |
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| 01:44.10 | SlackRat | or run a debian based live cd like kanotix, sidux or knoppix and if the mouse works, check out its xorg config and copy it........ |
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| 01:44.35 | slacker403 | anyone here got any free time and want to do a small project ? |
| 01:44.38 | slacker403 | money of course |
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| 01:46.02 | SlackRat | describe the job |
| 01:46.29 | Guerin | no, don't |
| 01:46.36 | Guerin | SlackRat: don't spam in here |
| 01:46.39 | Guerin | bah |
| 01:46.41 | Guerin | slacker403: |
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| 01:47.05 | branstrom | I just installed the most recent, stable Debian (etch) release. I would want to install the latest version of nginx though. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/web/nginx Can I install an unstable package even though I have stable Debian? |
| 01:47.16 | slacker403 | sorrrrry jeeeese |
| 01:47.18 | Guerin | branstrom: no. /msg dpkg backport |
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| 01:47.21 | slacker403 | jus need some server stuff done |
| 01:47.28 | slacker403 | so i thought i would ask here first |
| 01:47.29 | Guerin | slacker403: debian.org/consultants |
| 01:47.51 | slacker403 | blah |
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| 01:53.20 | dexomsrc | vsftpd question: I have local_users set to 'NO' in vsftpd.conf (because I want system user logins disabled) and virtual users with different passwrod set up with PAM... how do I configure each virtual user to have its own home directory? |
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| 01:56.40 | GhostlyDeath | !damn ALSA |
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| 01:56.58 | GhostlyDeath | ALSA never starts correctly |
| 01:57.35 | purplepenguins | hmm |
| 01:57.38 | amphi | does here |
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| 01:57.41 | purplepenguins | what is your sound chipset? |
| 01:57.52 | purplepenguins | I have never had ALSA problems with my SBLive! |
| 01:58.09 | GhostlyDeath | hda-intel |
| 01:58.14 | Miles_Prower | Ello Ello! my server's not up atm, but my laptop is. XD I'm using the onboard and a USB1.1 nic to route. XD |
| 01:59.04 | purplepenguins | hmm |
| 01:59.09 | purplepenguins | drivers in the kernel? |
| 01:59.26 | GhostlyDeath | i mean alsa loads |
| 01:59.29 | branstrom | Guerin, I get this error: Couldn't stat source package list http://www.backports.org etch-backports/non-free Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/www.backports.org_debian_dists_etch-backports_non-free_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 01:59.35 | GhostlyDeath | but no sound goes out of the speakers |
| 01:59.51 | GhostlyDeath | I fix alsa but it messes up after a reboot |
| 02:00.16 | branstrom | What's up with that, is the backports server down? |
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| 02:01.06 | GhostlyDeath | purplepenguins: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio |
| 02:01.08 | pablo__ | hi, is swfmill required in order to compile gnash? |
| 02:02.03 | purplepenguins | hmm, try checking your modules for intel-8x0 |
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| 02:02.22 | purplepenguins | by `lsmod | grep intel-8x0` |
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| 02:03.03 | GhostlyDeath | it's hda-intel not intel-8x0 |
| 02:03.16 | purplepenguins | oh |
| 02:03.21 | purplepenguins | well, then hda-intel |
| 02:03.25 | SlackRat | did alsa store after you configured it? |
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| 02:03.33 | GhostlyDeath | It used to work then something happened |
| 02:03.55 | GhostlyDeath | I could restart X and it might work |
| 02:03.56 | GhostlyDeath | brb |
| 02:03.57 | LinuxNIT | SlackRat, i had to change the driver from "mouse" to "evdev" in case you wanted to know |
| 02:04.12 | dc3aes | wondering if theres a flag for wget that will help me download typical files which are distributed from popular sites through html redirects.. e.g. most of us find our packages via sourceforge or similar mirror-type distrib sites then I right click the URL and wget it in my SSH console but often it downloads the html file it refers too.. is there a way to force wget to follow the header or something? thx. |
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| 02:04.57 | SlackRat | LinixNIT, so it worked? cool |
| 02:05.04 | LinuxNIT | yes it did |
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| 02:05.14 | LinuxNIT | a linux gamer helpd me lol |
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| 02:05.19 | SlackRat | so many mice, so many generic names across the nix world, heh |
| 02:05.26 | SlackRat | congrats, have fun |
| 02:05.37 | purplepenguins | mice are really simple devices though |
| 02:05.49 | purplepenguins | in theory |
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| 02:05.58 | purplepenguins | oh yeah |
| 02:06.00 | SlackRat | so long as theyre correctly configured into the system |
| 02:06.03 | purplepenguins | backing up xorg.conf is a good idea |
| 02:06.06 | SlackRat | lol |
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| 02:06.13 | BlackRayne | Why would debian restart without reason |
| 02:06.19 | zhaoym | hi. how can i find out what fonts i can use for rxvt/urxvt? |
| 02:06.21 | SlackRat | what means 'backing up' ? |
| 02:06.23 | purplepenguins | that is a contradiction in terms |
| 02:06.28 | purplepenguins | because you said it had no reason |
| 02:06.32 | purplepenguins | and you were asking why |
| 02:06.34 | BlackRayne | >< |
| 02:06.41 | BlackRayne | Well there needs to be a cause |
| 02:06.45 | purplepenguins | what did it do? |
| 02:06.51 | purplepenguins | did it go to the regular restart menu |
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| 02:07.02 | BlackRayne | its random |
| 02:07.07 | purplepenguins | or did it just go blackscreen and boot up like a hard reboot |
| 02:07.08 | BlackRayne | It can be at the login prompt |
| 02:07.12 | BlackRayne | hard reboot |
| 02:07.21 | LinuxNIT | my sisters desktop started doing that when the powersupply went out |
| 02:07.34 | purplepenguins | could be a hardware problem |
| 02:07.37 | purplepenguins | video locking up |
| 02:07.42 | BlackRayne | Any way to check? |
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| 02:08.44 | purplepenguins | hmm |
| 02:08.50 | purplepenguins | with windows? |
| 02:08.54 | purplepenguins | or a livecd |
| 02:08.55 | LinuxNIT | does it do it in other operating systems? |
| 02:09.03 | purplepenguins | that would determine if it was a hardware problem |
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| 02:09.18 | Guerin | zhaoym: man xresources |
| 02:09.29 | Guerin | zhaoym: short answer: practically any. |
| 02:09.29 | BlackRayne | well i have yet to successfully install another OS on it. Ubuntu has some sorty of issue, but i cant figure it out b/c it doesnt let me see a verbose mode |
| 02:10.06 | BlackRayne | The ubuntu installer wont even start, it goes to cant access tty; job control turned off or something |
| 02:10.23 | BlackRayne | so, im not sure yet |
| 02:10.46 | LinuxNIT | there are others |
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| 02:11.05 | BlackRayne | gentoo had an issue with compiling and then isaid screw it because it takes ages |
| 02:11.23 | plasmab | if anyone at debian is interested in advertising debian as being used on a crazy high profile project, check out... http://www.metronocturne.com/projectgal.html and http://www.metronocturne.com/qe2lighting.html (its pretty and a safety critical system) |
| 02:11.30 | BlackRayne | SUSE won't detect my SCSI drive |
| 02:11.31 | weltschmerz | i've asked this question before, but never got a very helpful answer. who is the best person in the debian community to talk to about Debian's voting method? Right now Debian uses a poor and complex method called Condorcet voting, whereas Range Voting and Approval Voting are massively simpler and better. |
| 02:11.41 | weltschmerz | So I'd like to suggest that Debian switch. |
| 02:12.14 | BlackRayne | Any other one you suggest I try, LinuxNIT? |
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| 02:12.40 | aruiz | weltschmerz: you should discuss that in the proper mailing list, IRC is not a good place to discuss that |
| 02:12.51 | weltschmerz | mailing "list"? |
| 02:13.01 | weltschmerz | you don't have the email address of the person I should contact? |
| 02:13.13 | Guerin | weltschmerz: There isn't a person. There are people. |
| 02:13.18 | Guerin | debian is not a dictatorship |
| 02:13.19 | plasmab | weltschmerz, i'd suggest you hit the list with it |
| 02:13.20 | aruiz | weltschmerz: this is a community, things are discusses in group |
| 02:13.26 | plasmab | Guerin, says you |
| 02:13.28 | plasmab | :P |
| 02:13.28 | Guerin | weltschmerz: lists.debian.org |
| 02:13.29 | LinuxNIT | BlackRayne, knoppix,dsl,elive,kanotix all seem pretty good to me |
| 02:13.34 | Guerin | plasmab: says the constitution |
| 02:13.42 | plasmab | Guerin, i jest |
| 02:13.50 | BlackRayne | LinuxNIT, knoppix is only a liveCD though, right? |
| 02:13.51 | LinuxNIT | or try a differnt kernel |
| 02:14.06 | LinuxNIT | i thought it was installable i dont remember |
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| 02:14.16 | aruiz | LinuxNIT: it is |
| 02:14.32 | BlackRayne | Is Mepis or Mandriva any good |
| 02:14.35 | plasmab | hey nobody check out my link? i pimped a 400m bridge with debian... gotta be worth a look |
| 02:14.38 | Guerin | BlackRayne: no. |
| 02:14.43 | BlackRayne | lol |
| 02:14.43 | LinuxNIT | package management sucks on them |
| 02:14.48 | stew | BlackRayne: wrong channel. you might want ##linux instead |
| 02:14.50 | LinuxNIT | im serious |
| 02:14.53 | BlackRayne | yeah |
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| 02:14.58 | stew | LinuxNIT: ##linux |
| 02:15.03 | aruiz | BlackRayne: go and ask if Debian is any good on #mandriva, you will get the same answer |
| 02:15.10 | BlackRayne | :P |
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| 02:16.25 | LinuxNIT | sorry stew |
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| 02:17.47 | SlackRat | a pox on mempis |
| 02:18.32 | slacker403 | man i really need someone to assist me here |
| 02:19.53 | DawnLight | how do i get the bitch to pee outside @#%# |
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| 02:20.42 | DawnLight | slacker403: do you want to have a server set up? |
| 02:20.51 | slacker403 | a tad more |
| 02:21.02 | slacker403 | DawnLight: got free time / want some money ? |
| 02:21.32 | DawnLight | i don't have enough experience i'm afraid |
| 02:21.46 | slacker403 | well jus a simple server really but yea |
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| 02:22.05 | sn0 | plasmab i cant see any debian on it |
| 02:22.11 | cast | hmm. right, i want to use LVM. but i also want an encrypted /var. any suggestions on how i should go about this? should i setup one big PV, and then make a LV and then select that for use as an encrypted volume in the installer, or should i create one PV, and one encrypted volume and then select that encrypted volume as a host for a PV then create a LV on that |
| 02:22.31 | plasmab | sn0, you wont... debian controls the lights lol |
| 02:22.31 | Wyzard | cast: You can encrypt your entire system by using a dm-crypt volume as an LVM PV |
| 02:22.43 | sn0 | oh i see the notebook pic now |
| 02:22.43 | Wyzard | cast: You'll just need a small partition for /boot which isn't encrypted |
| 02:22.45 | sn0 | cool :) |
| 02:23.10 | cast | Wyzard: well, i don't want that. there's no point encrypting /bin/ lib/, /usr etc...when all that stuff is directly downloadable off the net |
| 02:23.27 | Wyzard | cast: yeah, but it's simpler to set up |
| 02:23.42 | cast | Wyzard: i want to minimise the performance hit by only encrypting what should be |
| 02:23.47 | Wyzard | cast: If you just encrypt /var you'll have to set up some custom script to do the cryptsetup thing at the right time during startup |
| 02:24.10 | Wyzard | cast: If you encrypt the whole system, the initrd will do the cryptsetup (and its password prompt) automatically |
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| 02:24.11 | cast | Wyzard: well, without LVM the debian installer sets everything up fine with just /var being encrypted |
| 02:24.30 | Wyzard | cast: Including getting it unlocked prior to mounting it? |
| 02:24.56 | cast | Wyzard: yes, it halts the boot sequence and asks for the pass before it tries to do anything in /var |
| 02:25.06 | SlackRat | nite folks...... |
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| 02:25.19 | Wyzard | cast: hmm, ok |
| 02:25.36 | Wyzard | cast: At any rate, encrypting stuff in /bin etc. doesn't seem to be much of a performance hit |
| 02:25.45 | guhhh | dexomsrc: just a second :) |
| 02:25.52 | cast | Wyzard: its still a waste of time though :P |
| 02:25.53 | Guerin | Wyzard: but is also mostly pointless |
| 02:25.56 | Wyzard | cast: It's only really noticeable when doing heavy I/O, like reading and writing big files |
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| 02:26.36 | Wyzard | cast: Anyway, it should be fine to just tell the installer to use one of your LVs as a dm-crypt volume |
| 02:26.56 | cast | hmmm. alright, i shall do that |
| 02:27.19 | guhhh | dexomsrc: can u try disabling pam? |
| 02:27.25 | dexomsrc | guhhh: How? |
| 02:28.45 | guhhh | dexomsrc: sorry, wrong channel hehe |
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| 02:31.00 | cast | oh, and the LVM howto mentions that in order to make a snapshot you want the fs to be in a consistant state at the time of the snapshot [makes sense] and mentions that many of the filesystems in 2.6 do this automatically when the snapshot is taken [without any additional patching, like was needed with LVM1 [VFS-lock patch]]. anyone know which filesystems that howto would be refering to? |
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| 02:34.23 | cast | m |
| 02:35.10 | Hoxzer | as mobster |
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| 02:39.32 | frankr | whats the new testing called? |
| 02:39.40 | Wyzard | frank: lenny |
| 02:39.52 | Hoxzer | :E Lenny brings pr0nstart to my mind |
| 02:39.58 | frankr | cools |
| 02:40.09 | Hoxzer | just wanted to note. |
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| 02:49.03 | peerless | where is the appropriate place to specify that I want alt-tab to switch between windows? (debian unstable) |
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| 02:50.01 | stew | peerless: that depends entirely on which window manager you are usin |
| 02:50.02 | stew | g |
| 02:50.09 | peerless | metacity |
| 02:50.09 | alaya | that would be a window-manager specific option |
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| 02:50.30 | stew | i'm suprised that is not the default in metacity |
| 02:50.43 | liable | is for me |
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| 02:54.36 | vchrizz | uhm, i just wanted to upgrade my system and it stops at configuring tzdata .. post-install script returns error 10... syslog tells: init: no more processes left in this runlevel i dont find anything usefull in google.. what could cause this error? |
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| 02:57.23 | sn0 | nn |
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| 03:11.59 | vchrizz | how do i create a livedvd based on my current running system? |
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| 03:13.13 | Arafangion | vchrizz: Why the hell would you want to? That said, I think there's mondo/mindi. |
| 03:13.51 | cast | vchrizz: i think there is a debian livecd project to do that |
| 03:14.20 | GoldenMunky | hello everyone, I have just a quick question. I currently have a box that is running Debian and I'm about to upgrade it from a Celeron to an AMD Operton. I was wondering if I would need to reinstall everything or would Linux detect everything and I wouldn't need to do anything special? |
| 03:14.23 | cast | Arafangion: because he has installed all the programs/etc.. he wants, and would like a livecd with the same environment as his desktop |
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| 03:15.56 | cast | GoldenMunky: if you want to use the AMD64 port then you'll need a reinstall. i think if you're happy with i386 then maybe fstab needs to be changed and maybe the initrd needs to be rebuilt, but i'm just guessing here |
| 03:16.18 | vchrizz | Arafangion: well, i would rather like to have it on an usb stick, but theres not big enough sticks... so i thought about dvdrw ;) |
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| 03:17.22 | GoldenMunky | cast: Thanks for the information, I will backup everything first and then try it. |
| 03:17.24 | vchrizz | cast: ive googled a bit, but i just find live distros or how to create livecds from any other source than the current running system |
| 03:18.39 | DawnLight | what is the sendmail_path = for exim4? |
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| 03:19.07 | vchrizz | !sendmail |
| 03:19.08 | dpkg | rumour has it, sendmail is one of the orginal MTAs. Generally, if you don't know why you'd want to run sendmail, you shouldn't. Use nullmailer, esmtp, exim or postfix instead. see the oreilly book of the same name. |
| 03:19.29 | cast | vchrizz: i googled for debian live cd and i think the first hit is it, the debian live project :P |
| 03:20.20 | cast | [reading the getmail authors opinion of sendmail is quite damning to sendmail] |
| 03:20.29 | Deepa | cast: Isnt Morphix KINDA debian(-based)? |
| 03:20.36 | vchrizz | cast: funny, the first hit i get is knoppix when searching for "debian live cd" .. second is ps3 livecd, third wikipedia |
| 03:20.59 | vchrizz | but i got it when searching for debian live project |
| 03:21.14 | Deepa | Morphix is Knoppix->Debian :P |
| 03:21.17 | cast | vchrizz: ahh. customized google search? i dunno why but my google searches always do come out better it seems :\ |
| 03:22.23 | cast | Deepa: certainly. so is grml :) i suspect debian has the most derivitives, and for good reason |
| 03:22.25 | vchrizz | cast: customized... uhm not really, maybe because im using google.at instead of google.com? who cares, thx ;) |
| 03:22.41 | Deepa | cast: Its the best :> |
| 03:22.45 | Deepa | It creates the rest XD |
| 03:23.39 | Arafangion | vchrizz: Just make a re-masted knoppix and be done with it. |
| 03:23.49 | Deepa | Morphix <3 |
| 03:24.02 | cast | Arafangion: or grml! |
| 03:24.48 | cast | grml is targeted at more advanced users than knoppix, and i have a feeling doesn't have gdm or gnome. mostly CLI apps |
| 03:24.55 | cast | s/gdm/kde |
| 03:25.13 | amphi | cast: sysresccd.org iso is another nice one |
| 03:25.32 | vchrizz | Arafangion: *reading apt desc* mondo/mindi is exactly what i need thx ;) |
| 03:26.12 | vchrizz | what is grml? |
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| 03:26.53 | vchrizz | in germal its a word to tell that you're angry ;) |
| 03:26.56 | vchrizz | german |
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| 03:30.02 | vchrizz | depends on what you want to do on this filesystem.. |
| 03:30.54 | DawnLight | what sendmail_path do i give apache2 php5 when i'm using exim4? |
| 03:31.14 | liable | isnt there on there? |
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| 03:36.55 | vchrizz | DawnLight: im not sure though, googled for it and found http://www.exim-users.org/forums/showthread.php?t=49355 |
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| 03:38.54 | minerale | savetheworld: is that in c ? |
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| 03:40.38 | DawnLight | vchrizz: thanks, i'll check it. perhaps exim4 is backwards compatible so that the PHP5 config file (default: "sendmail -t -i") will do |
| 03:40.38 | savetheWorld | minerale: which? |
| 03:40.38 | jetscreamer | so there really is an ext4, virginia |
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| 03:42.45 | cast | alright, time to install. am not going to use lvm, not just yet. |
| 03:43.42 | vchrizz | why the hell aptitude want to install linux-image-2.6-486 and linux-image-2.6.18-4-486 when i want to install mondo? i got 2.6.21 installed and apt&dpkg know that |
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| 03:48.50 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 03:50.19 | jetscreamer | !depends linux-image-2.6-486 |
| 03:50.24 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6-486: depends on linux-image-2.6.18-4-486 |
| 03:50.42 | jetscreamer | !depends mondo |
| 03:50.45 | dpkg | mondo: depends on libc6 (>= 2.5), libnewt0.52, mindi (>= 2.22), afio, buffer, cdrecord, lzop, libfribidi0 |
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| 03:54.32 | jetscreamer | well you get the idea |
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| 04:36.45 | DavidProck1981 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:37.12 | grendal_prime | dont know..im using iptraff to get that information... |
| 04:37.49 | grendal_prime | i guess i could use...tethereal and look at what...lo interface? |
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| 04:38.49 | DavidProck1981 | i dont have a clue how to help, except for what i asked, if u could it would probly help |
| 04:39.07 | grendal_prime | well that part is what changes |
| 04:39.17 | Wyzard | jetscreamer: There's a page in Azureus's settings tab for creating a self-signed jar for the Swing web UI... maybe it's something related to that? |
| 04:39.49 | jetscreamer | not sure... it was just what i read in that log |
| 04:40.26 | jetscreamer | it was trying to make it all a torrent, also |
| 04:40.38 | jetscreamer | i don't think it succeded, not positive |
| 04:40.52 | jetscreamer | did check |
| 04:41.36 | jetscreamer | if it had been windows it would have for sure |
| 04:49.17 | cat | hey anyone here is friendly with gtkpod? |
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| 04:53.54 | moneytalks | hello! |
| 04:54.10 | moneytalks | Hi,guys |
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| 04:54.46 | cat | hi mon |
| 04:54.48 | jetscreamer | bs walks |
| 04:57.28 | nvz | but a bj will always get you a ride |
| 04:57.28 | nvz | rules of the road.. |
| 04:59.15 | BlackRayne | How can I find out why debian is hard rebooting |
| 05:00.44 | nvz | take your finger off the power button? heh |
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| 05:00.56 | BlackRayne | >< |
| 05:01.12 | BlackRayne | nvz, i wish that was the cause |
| 05:01.43 | nvz | me too cause I dont feel like getting to the bottom of it |
| 05:01.52 | BlackRayne | any quick suggestions? |
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| 05:03.42 | BlackRayne | lame |
| 05:03.45 | BlackRayne | now its doing it more |
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| 05:09.12 | jetscreamer | heat |
| 05:09.22 | DavidProck1981 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:10.03 | jetscreamer | !pal DavidProck1981 |
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| 05:11.03 | DavidProck1981 | was away, my son was messing on the pc |
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| 05:12.57 | tankschiff | Everytime, when i started Gaim, my calendar in Evolution stopped. What could it be? |
| 05:13.47 | grendal_prime | grrrrrrrrr |
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| 05:17.35 | tankschiff | grrrrrrr? |
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| 05:19.30 | himmelstrutz1 | hi. is there any codecs for monkey's audio for debian? can't find it when apt-cache search,, |
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| 05:23.17 | bbelt16ag | has anybody seen this error? |
| 05:23.19 | bbelt16ag | emerge xorg -x11 |
| 05:23.21 | bbelt16ag | er nm |
| 05:24.00 | Manuel_laptop | emerge... |
| 05:24.16 | Manuel_laptop | am i at the wrong channel now? |
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| 05:24.19 | schme | Yes. |
| 05:24.37 | Manuel_laptop | is this #debian or #bsd? |
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| 05:27.11 | schme | There is emerge on BSD now? |
| 05:27.56 | scx | schme: There's emarge for Mac |
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| 05:33.05 | Dave|id | got Debian 4.0, have access to server.. how do i reset root password? |
| 05:33.26 | Dave|id | grub is my bootloader |
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| 05:34.34 | Dave|id | booting into single user mode still asks for me a password |
| 05:34.37 | Dave|id | run level is 2 though |
| 05:34.58 | wols | !tell Dave|id about ifrp |
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| 05:37.31 | Dave|id | wols: excellent |
| 05:37.32 | Dave|id | ta |
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| 05:41.30 | internat | hmms ok.. so i rebuilt my comp the other day when i powered up realised i was missing a drive, cause my array was telling me it was degraded.. rebooted and plugged the drive back in, but then it went about rebuilding the entire drive.. is there somethign else i could have done to stop it rebuilding and just readded the drive? since nothing would have changed? |
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| 05:46.52 | schme | scx: cools. |
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| 05:58.56 | test_ | hi! , i want to have gdm execute a script eveytime a user Logs out from a session .. |
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| 06:03.37 | internat | so to save my self some greif if i ever boot my file server up and havnt plugged in 1+ hdds of my raid 5 properly.. is there an easy way to make mdadm NOT attempt to touch the raid if all the drives arent present? |
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| 06:08.22 | wols | how and when you dou mount the raid? |
| 06:08.43 | wols | you could always check the raid disks before mounting them for presenec |
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| 06:11.53 | internat | i assume they get mounted when the system boots and mdadm starts |
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| 06:15.07 | wols | a raid can get mounted in initrd or with normal init.d startup |
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| 06:23.29 | internat | how woudl i check which one is doing it |
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| 06:38.14 | unlink | how do i set the quota for all users with edquota? |
| 06:38.21 | unlink | the default quota |
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| 06:42.06 | uyohm | Hi all ! |
| 06:42.09 | damog | unlink: What problem are you facing about it? |
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| 06:43.41 | unlink | damog: i don't know how to set it for users in general as opposed to for a specific user |
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| 06:44.24 | scx | msg dpkg |
| 06:44.25 | scx | oops |
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| 06:46.40 | |broken| | Hello, is anyone here? I have a simple question.. |
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| 06:48.28 | Sebboh | What package contains the DNS tool called dig? |
| 06:48.34 | damog | unlink: You can do it by making quotas per group. |
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| 06:49.32 | |broken| | Alright, i guess there is some life here. Ha, so I have gentoo right now and want to go for Debian.... i went to download it for amd64 but i noticied there wa slike 21 cd's.. which one do i pick? or do i hae to get them all.. |
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| 06:50.02 | nakee | Sebboh, dnsutils |
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| 06:51.11 | damog | |broken|: http://www.us.debian.org/CD/faq/#which-cd |
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| 06:52.09 | pwned | hi, are there debian tools to ease building debuggable development libraries instead of whatever comes precompiled and have both installed on the same system without interfering with eachother ? like you -llibrary or -llibrary-dbg to choose |
| 06:52.10 | Sebboh | thanks nakee |
| 06:52.16 | |broken| | thanks. I was wondering is a big shift from gentoo to debian? If anyone.. has had to do it.. cause Gentoo is all i've ever used. |
| 06:52.59 | nakee | |broken|, pretty much yea |
| 06:53.23 | |broken| | damn. |
| 06:53.45 | damog | |broken|: Read the doc and you'll be safe. |
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| 06:54.00 | Sebboh | |broken|: Any answers that you get to that question are going to be really subjective, of course. It wasn't hard for me to use Solaris, because I've used Debian. ...Your milage may vary. ;) |
| 06:54.19 | |broken| | Lets just put it this way: I've used linux for ~3 weeks. lol |
| 06:54.34 | Sebboh | Yes, big learning curve! |
| 06:54.36 | Sebboh | ;) |
| 06:54.45 | xingu | "is there a big shift to philips' screwdrivers? because flat blades are all I've ever used" |
| 06:54.48 | |broken| | I mean my gentoo works great.. but too me it doesn't appear to be "finished" so to speak. |
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| 06:55.20 | |broken| | Plus the people on the #e channel flamed me for using a "broken" distro. |
| 06:55.27 | Guerin | xingu: wtf |
| 06:55.43 | damog | What's on #e? |
| 06:55.48 | |broken| | Enlightenment? |
| 06:55.50 | damog | Enlightenment? |
| 06:55.50 | Guerin | enlightenment |
| 06:55.56 | |broken| | ha. |
| 06:55.57 | damog | meh |
| 06:56.44 | |broken| | Well maybe i'll keep gentoo, wipe out the windows xp hd, and install debian there. To be safe. |
| 06:56.51 | nakee | |broken|, each distribution has it's pro and cons |
| 06:57.09 | damog | correct, and some of them have more cons than pros :) |
| 06:57.10 | xingu | Guerin: the point is that unless the application specifies the tool, choice is entirely subject to personal preference |
| 06:57.13 | nakee | |broken|, gentoo and debian has different package manager, and a different way of thinking |
| 06:58.09 | |broken| | Yea i'm aware of some of the diffrences, apt-get while i use emerge from the portage tree.. |
| 06:58.13 | xingu | Guerin: there doesn't seem to be much merit in measuring changes in sentiment - people will use what they see fit |
| 06:58.35 | |broken| | Yea its just i haven't explored any distros yet.. so im biased. |
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| 06:59.09 | nakee | |broken|, the name of the package manager is not as much difference as the fact gentoo is source based and debian is binary based |
| 06:59.11 | xingu | Guerin: of course this doesn't prevent some folk from trying to bang in screws with a hammer. :) |
| 06:59.31 | nakee | |broken|, or the fact that debian is very freedom oriented |
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| 06:59.59 | |broken| | Yea i was reading that..heh, i did a gentoo vs debian search before i came on the channel.. read some articles. |
| 07:00.25 | |broken| | Thats why I think debian is better suited for me, afte ri've read some of the pros/cons. Debian = great for servers. |
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| 07:02.03 | nakee | |broken|, what is better about debian on servers than gentoo? |
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| 07:02.25 | nakee | |broken|, or what is better on gentoo for desktops than debian? |
| 07:02.31 | |broken| | I dunno, just heard it was. |
| 07:02.33 | |broken| | read* |
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| 07:03.53 | wols | !why debian |
| 07:03.53 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ or see <overfiendsphallus> |
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| 07:04.27 | nakee | |broken|, usually I hear that debian is good for servers when people compare it to ubuntu or so, and even then it sounds more like FUD than anything:) |
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| 07:04.44 | Guerin | nakee: please don't troll |
| 07:04.58 | xingu | it must be... |
| 07:04.58 | pwned | gentoo and debian are good because both have supportive documentation. |
| 07:05.00 | xingu | !sunday |
| 07:05.00 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 07:05.16 | Guerin | the problem with gentoo is that the documentation is *all* you have |
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| 07:05.24 | nakee | Guerin, how did I troll? |
| 07:05.40 | pwned | I prefer having prebuilt binaries, too. For the sake of bandwidth and time saving |
| 07:05.52 | xingu | the best thing about debian is #debian I find :) |
| 07:06.11 | |broken| | Ahh i see that bcm43xx wirless cards are still shite even with debian... i guess this must be for linux in general... yea i know the drivers are crap. |
| 07:06.19 | bytekode | broadcom is evil |
| 07:06.26 | |broken| | i know, but its all i have. |
| 07:06.30 | |broken| | broadcom and ati. |
| 07:06.41 | bytekode | i just ripped out my internal broadcom card and replaced it with an atheros-based one :) |
| 07:07.51 | wols | |broken|: do you mean the ndiswrapper based one or native one? |
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| 07:07.51 | |broken| | I think the ndiswrapper one. |
| 07:07.51 | |broken| | I had to do fw-cutter to get mine to work. |
| 07:07.51 | xingu | the native one is supposed to be getting reasonable these days. |
| 07:07.51 | pwned | for clarification, I didn't mean only the installation docs for gentoo, it has a lot of wiki entries and faqs and whatnot to fix commonly encountered problems. That makes it good, if not better than debian =P |
| 07:07.51 | bytekode | does it still not support wpa/2 ? |
| 07:07.58 | wols | if you only "think", how can you be qualitfied to say it's shite? |
| 07:08.10 | |broken| | pwned: yea too bea when you don't understand somethign and go on #gentoo you get banned. |
| 07:08.15 | |broken| | bad* |
| 07:08.22 | troytroy | i really like using shorewall in configuring pc-router |
| 07:08.30 | wols | what has the way how you need to extract the fw to do with the driver itself? |
| 07:08.52 | pwned | |broken|: #gentoo was ok four years ago. I don't know about now. |
| 07:09.00 | xingu | interesting, there's a devicescape branch of bcm43xx now |
| 07:09.04 | |broken| | Dude i don't know, wols, seriously.. why do people get on my case. |
| 07:09.24 | wols | cause you talk strangely? |
| 07:09.51 | |broken| | ok. |
| 07:09.54 | troytroy | whats the debian equivalent of "chkconfig" on debian? |
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| 07:10.04 | wols | but then, you're coming to #debian on sunday |
| 07:10.06 | Guerin | !services |
| 07:10.06 | dpkg | i guess services is to view and alter system services, use one or more of rcconf, sysvconfig, sysv-rc-conf, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/, or /etc/services a port numbers list, or http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers |
| 07:10.11 | Guerin | wtf |
| 07:10.12 | troytroy | whats the debian equivalent of "chkconfig" on fedora? |
| 07:10.12 | |broken| | wols: and at 3:09 AM |
| 07:10.19 | Guerin | !red hat tools |
| 07:10.19 | dpkg | If you're a (former) Red Hat tool looking for Red Hat Tools on debian, you won't find many. But: chkconfig={sysvconfig,sysv-rc-conf,rcconf,update-rc.d}; service=invoke-rc.d; kudzu=discover; rc.local=bootmisc; etc. in more recent debian versions /etc/init.d/rc.local exists, see the script for more info |
| 07:10.57 | |broken| | wols: i'd be sleeping, but there are firworks going off every minute or two. |
| 07:11.49 | Guerin | sleep is for the weak |
| 07:12.04 | troytroy | Guerin thanks :) |
| 07:12.48 | damog | A waste of time. |
| 07:12.52 | Guerin | no wuckin' furries |
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| 07:13.11 | |broken| | I know sleep is a waste of time. I sleep ~5 hours, or at least i try too every night. |
| 07:13.14 | troytroy | i also be grateful if someone will translate "https://faberlibertatis.org/wiki/Hotspot_Debian_Sarge_HOWTO" into english |
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| 07:13.18 | xingu | Guerin: what you got against furries? :) |
| 07:13.36 | |broken| | So wait .. in installing debian i won't have to configure a kernel!.. (im happy) |
| 07:13.54 | Guerin | xingu: .308 muzzle? |
| 07:14.07 | Guerin | |broken|: incredible, huh |
| 07:14.22 | Sebboh | broken, but you still can use a custom kernel if you want. |
| 07:14.29 | xingu | |broken|: the debian kernel maintainers have been doing a consistantly bloody excellent job for well over two years now |
| 07:14.36 | |broken| | Guerin: check what i foudn on a article.. lol |
| 07:14.42 | troytroy | or better still how to setup a debian hotspot gateway with billing/prepaid service integrated |
| 07:14.48 | |broken| | nvm i'll probably get kciked for spam. |
| 07:15.01 | Sebboh | Well back to work. Peace all. |
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| 07:15.44 | |broken| | If you read down this article.. http://anant.wordpress.com/2006/02/16/gentoo-vs-debian/ |
| 07:15.59 | |broken| | After "the Final word" check out that guys interpretation. |
| 07:16.01 | Guerin | |broken|: don't fucking troll |
| 07:16.07 | Guerin | jeebus |
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| 07:16.25 | |broken| | what is troll? |
| 07:16.29 | troytroy | !red hat tools |
| 07:16.29 | dpkg | If you're a (former) Red Hat tool looking for Red Hat Tools on debian, you won't find many. But: chkconfig={sysvconfig,sysv-rc-conf,rcconf,update-rc.d}; service=invoke-rc.d; kudzu=discover; rc.local=bootmisc; etc. in more recent debian versions /etc/init.d/rc.local exists, see the script for more info |
| 07:16.34 | Guerin | !troll |
| 07:16.34 | dpkg | troll is, like, [troll] In Internet terminology, a troll is a person who posts rude or offensive messages on the Internet, such as in online discussion forums, to disrupt discussion or to upset its participants. "Troll" can also mean the message itself or be a verb meaning to post such messages. "Trolling" is also commonly used to describe the activity. http://www.verhau.de/badges/ATT314559.jpg |
| 07:16.35 | |broken| | (give me a wikipedia link and i'll kill someone) |
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| 07:18.03 | nakee | what i like about gentoo kernel is that when you install new kernel it recompiles all the outside modules you have installed. I wonder if you can do it on debian somehow as well |
| 07:18.04 | xingu | Guerin: that link is a 404 |
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| 07:18.46 | Guerin | dpkg, troll ~= s/http://www.verhau.de/badges/ATT314559.jpg// |
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| 07:19.11 | |broken| | nakee: you want to do that?w hy? |
| 07:19.24 | Guerin | dpkg, troll =~ s#http://www.verhau.de/badges/ATT314559.jpg## |
| 07:19.24 | dpkg | OK, Guerin |
| 07:19.28 | Guerin | that's better |
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| 07:20.21 | nakee | |broken|, if I have nvidia-binary driver, some 3rd party camera module and some wireless thing, I want to to recompile against the new kernel |
| 07:20.24 | |broken| | So I read that link you guys gave me..and now i know why there are 21 cd's.. they say to get the first two cds.. but I think, (there i go thinking again) that the first one is sufficent and ill just get whatelse i'll need off the net. The First CD will install debian fine? |
| 07:20.52 | pwned | I never installed debian from more than one cd. |
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| 07:21.03 | |broken| | Ok. Thanks. |
| 07:21.26 | nakee | |broken|, if you want to install from the net, you can do it, you don't need to go through cd on the way |
| 07:21.27 | |broken| | nakee: so in debian you can't configure your kernel for what you need? its all "auto-detcted"? |
| 07:21.56 | |broken| | nakee: i've installed gentoo from the net, and no thank you.. i don't feel like learning. |
| 07:21.58 | pwned | you can rebuild your kernel and create a deb package, there are instructions on how to do it. |
| 07:22.03 | nakee | |broken|, you can, but you dont' have to, there is a precompiled version of the kernel, together with most modules |
| 07:22.18 | |broken| | I see, well thats good then :) |
| 07:23.32 | |broken| | Not to piss anyone off to much, but how do compiling times differ? Took me 6 hours to emerge open office. |
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| 07:24.07 | EdLin | |broken|: apt-get doesn't compile |
| 07:24.39 | nakee | |broken|, the same amount of time it will take you to emerge openoffice-bin (even gentoo people dont' dare compiling openoffice:) |
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| 07:25.03 | |broken| | Well i was the dumb one that wanted openoffice the full package. |
| 07:25.14 | EdLin | !gentoosmite |broken| |
| 07:25.15 | |broken| | And now its in chinese for some reason. When the hell did i change the language to chinese... |
| 07:25.26 | cast | |broken|: get the netinst cd. |
| 07:25.36 | EdLin | !d-i |broken| |
| 07:25.36 | dpkg | |broken|, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 07:25.38 | nakee | |broken|, open office is very well maintained on debian |
| 07:26.05 | teksimian | hey, Im installing from a usb drive. the installer boots, finds the iso, mounts it, but then says it failed. the log files says iso-scan: Found ISO ./netinst.iso on /dev/scsi/host2/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 Debian ISO not usable, skipping |
| 07:26.37 | |broken| | cast: why the netinst? |
| 07:26.47 | nakee | |broken|, it's splitted into a number of package so you wont need to install things you don't need, and it has quiet a few patches that make it work smoother |
| 07:27.03 | cast | |broken|: because..you want something that'll install a base system and grab the rest off the net right? |
| 07:27.07 | |broken| | dpkg: yea i have it downloaded it right now.. but i'll wait till tomorrow to move over my ethernet.. so i hav ea working internet |
| 07:27.11 | Guerin | !tell |broken| about grounding |
| 07:27.17 | Guerin | |broken|: read that lot |
| 07:27.26 | |broken| | heh thats neat. |
| 07:27.43 | nakee | |broken|, dpkg is a bot |
| 07:28.03 | |broken| | serious?...... |
| 07:28.07 | Guerin | no |
| 07:28.15 | Guerin | he just types extremely fast |
| 07:28.21 | Guerin | dpkg: right? |
| 07:28.21 | dpkg | right, (adj): 1) The opposite of left. 2) What cafuego says. |
| 07:28.21 | |broken| | who exactly are the admins here. |
| 07:28.26 | |broken| | dpkg |
| 07:28.30 | |broken| | he doesn't talk to me. |
| 07:28.30 | Guerin | |broken|: there are none |
| 07:28.36 | Guerin | we are an egalitarian utopia |
| 07:28.48 | |broken| | Oh you guys are going for the "no visible" admins.. |
| 07:28.49 | Guerin | everyone is his, or her, own boss |
| 07:28.57 | |broken| | Thats what you'd like us to think :P |
| 07:29.05 | Guerin | no ... it's true |
| 07:29.35 | |broken| | So.. hypothetically speaking.. if one were to spam the channel. |
| 07:29.39 | |broken| | They would not be removed? |
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| 07:29.46 | dexomsrc | vsftpd question: Can I have virtual users + anonymous login enabled, but local system users DISABLED? It doesn't seem like it in the .config. |
| 07:29.48 | wols | Guerin: I thought we're an anarchy syndikalist enklave of a religion? |
| 07:29.55 | Guerin | |broken|: the combined might of the community would be brought to bear upon that person |
| 07:30.04 | EdLin | |broken|: there actually are ops You Don't Want To Meet Them ;-) |
| 07:30.12 | Guerin | wols: that's what you lot think ... my lto know better. |
| 07:30.39 | |broken| | heh gotcha. |
| 07:30.44 | Guerin | dexomsrc: i achieved this by putting my local users in a ban list |
| 07:30.55 | Guerin | dexomsrc: but I recall no other obvious way |
| 07:31.42 | Guerin | just let me roll and smoke one more joint |
| 07:31.46 | dexomsrc | Guerin: Yikes, that's messy. proftpd and wzdftpd have much better systems for managing users (although I do like vsftpd's other features). |
| 07:31.57 | |broken| | I"ve noticied a lot of people who use linux ... smoke weeed. |
| 07:32.04 | |broken| | It must take its toll after a while. |
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| 07:32.17 | cast | |broken|: slander. |
| 07:32.20 | Guerin | dexomsrc: yeah, i found proftpd too convoluted, and wu-ftpd just wrong, so vsftp[d it is |
| 07:32.39 | Guerin | dexomsrc: good enough for kernel.org, it's good enough for me |
| 07:32.42 | troytroy | i also be grateful if someone will translate "https://faberlibertatis.org/wiki/Hotspot_Debian_Sarge_HOWTO" into english |
| 07:32.43 | |broken| | cast, well i did say "a lot" not "all" |
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| 07:33.03 | |broken| | and by a lot i mean 2 people. |
| 07:33.08 | Guerin | troytroy: ask on a german channel |
| 07:33.20 | dexomsrc | Guerin: So do you use PAM for authentication? |
| 07:33.27 | troytroy | Guerin i thought it was italian |
| 07:33.32 | Guerin | dexomsrc: no, I use virtual users and anonymous |
| 07:33.46 | Guerin | troytroy: oh, yes. Brain mash. |
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| 07:34.06 | |broken| | so i think illl be heading off to bed now. |
| 07:34.18 | |broken| | thx for the help and i'll see you soon. |
| 07:34.19 | dexomsrc | Guerin: Right, I mean that's what I want, but what method do you use to specify the (virtual) usernames, passwords, and home directories of the vsftpd users? |
| 07:34.28 | wols | troytroy: the pastes in that howto are all "english" and understandable enough |
| 07:34.47 | troytroy | wols not exactly |
| 07:34.52 | Guerin | dexomsrc: there's a textfile with the info in, which the daemon converts to some sort of binary hash table |
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| 07:35.30 | basanta | is there are way to increase preference of a font for a specific application over others ? debian etch gnome |
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| 07:35.44 | troytroy | wols actaully want a a good wiki on setting debian hotspot gateways with billing/prepaid integrated |
| 07:36.15 | Guerin | basanta: preference? |
| 07:36.16 | wols | troytroy: I am not italian nor speak the language but that howto is pretty clear |
| 07:36.41 | troytroy | wols i wish someone will port the work at http://hotspotexpress.in to debian and make it free :) |
| 07:37.26 | troytroy | wols nomadix and ISS4000 hotspot gateways cost a fortune :( |
| 07:38.46 | liable | who knows which bug or package is the one that fails to make symlinks, like for CC and vi and shit? |
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| 07:40.27 | dexomsrc | Guerin: Oh, the daemon does it for you? I'm trying to set it up now and advice online says to run "db_load -T -t hash -f logins.txt /etc/vsftpd_login.db" where logins.txt is a text file containing alternating lines of username, pasword, username, password, etcc. |
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| 07:41.06 | qubits | How do I check to see what wireless drivers im using |
| 07:41.38 | liable | troytroy: chillispot? |
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| 07:42.14 | xingu | well, just for the record, triple buffering and beryl on a gfgo7600 aren't a good idea. |
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| 07:43.00 | xingu | x server dies just after starting beryl manager and I assume the decorator |
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| 07:46.12 | wols | qubits: lsmod usually. depends on sevreal things tho |
| 07:46.43 | troytroy | liable yes chillispot but it will be nice to integrate prepaid billing |
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| 07:49.57 | basanta | Guerin, priority so that that font is picked up over other fonts |
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| 07:54.03 | roland | hmm anyone know what is wrong with yahoo ? |
| 07:54.07 | roland | i cant acces mail |
| 07:54.12 | roland | a stupid MyYahoo page appears instead |
| 07:54.24 | roland | are they on crack? |
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| 07:56.09 | Sebboh | When I do `sort file.txt`, the result looks like the output of `sort -f file.txt`... I don't want -f. The man page doesn't mention any defaults file or anything... Why does it use -f by default? (-f is ignore case, by the way..) |
| 07:56.28 | Sebboh | roland, clear your cookies. |
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| 07:56.35 | MegaR0M | hey |
| 07:56.40 | \amethyst | Sebboh: what's your locale? |
| 07:56.49 | MegaR0M | i come here asking what i can probe to get sound working ? |
| 07:56.51 | dondelelcaro | Sebboh: the sort order is dependant on your locale |
| 07:56.52 | Sebboh | us-en |
| 07:57.03 | \amethyst | Sebboh: try LANG=C sort file.txt |
| 07:57.17 | dondelelcaro | or LC_COLLATE=C sort file.txt; |
| 07:57.17 | Sebboh | how do I edit the default sort for my locale? |
| 07:57.32 | MegaR0M | so what can i probe to get sound working ? |
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| 07:57.55 | dondelelcaro | !tell MegaR0M -about sound |
| 07:58.19 | MegaR0M | hmm i on see nothing |
| 07:58.55 | MegaR0M | !tell audio |
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| 07:59.13 | MegaR0M | !tell MegaR0M audio |
| 07:59.24 | MegaR0M | !tell MegaR0M -audio |
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| 08:01.01 | Sebboh | locale(1), locale(5), locale(7). ... ... Somebody had better have a good excuse for this junk being so complicated... ;P |
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| 08:01.45 | MegaR0M | dondelelcaro, apt-get says its already installed |
| 08:01.50 | MegaR0M | but i get no sound :$ |
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| 08:01.59 | Sebboh | not to mention localedef, localconf, and company.. |
| 08:02.11 | qubits | MegaR0M: |
| 08:02.11 | qubits | do you do any cmos work |
| 08:02.15 | qubits | or embedded programming |
| 08:02.55 | MegaR0M | i found it |
| 08:02.55 | MegaR0M | line-in sense |
| 08:02.55 | MegaR0M | jack sends regards :) |
| 08:02.56 | \amethyst | Sebboh: better way is to just change the LC_COLLATE env variable |
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| 08:03.41 | \amethyst | Sebboh: Rather than redefining the en_US locale (and having to redo that when you upgrade the locales package), you'd just use the C locale order |
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| 08:05.06 | jasta | I have a strange bug to report about the Iceweasel package. It seems that the iGoogle page does not display right when you use a theme on firefox 2.0.0.3-1. i confirmed this behaviour on two different debian etch hosts, and even checked it against a Win32 binary running 2.0.0.3, which does not have the problem. |
| 08:05.17 | jasta | Is this a known problem? Is it even Debian's issue? |
| 08:06.05 | qubits | squee. |
| 08:06.13 | qubits | christ |
| 08:06.17 | qubits | alot of users here |
| 08:06.39 | Sebboh | jasta: a firefox theme, or igoogle's theme? |
| 08:06.59 | EdLin | qubits: #ubuntu has twice this, but they're clueless. :) |
| 08:07.02 | jasta | Sebboh: iGoogle's theme. In fact, it seems to do it even if you select Classic as your theme. |
| 08:07.18 | EdLin | jasta: classic fixes it here |
| 08:07.26 | ma3x | I want to submit a bug about the kernel module sis900 how do I do that? |
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| 08:07.35 | jasta | EdLin: But the problem is known? |
| 08:07.54 | EdLin | jasta: I know about it. |
| 08:07.58 | Sebboh | jasta, well, report it to google (via google groups, they very likely have an igoogle support group that is moderated by google staff) and they will report to firefox/iceweasel as necessary. |
| 08:07.59 | \amethyst | jasta, EdLin: do you have a screenshot of the problem? |
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| 08:08.10 | EdLin | jasta: if you want the developers to know though, file a bug. |
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| 08:08.52 | Sebboh | Google will want to know; even if it's not their fault, they will want to make a quick-fix in the mean time... |
| 08:09.39 | \amethyst | jasta, EdLin: And does it happen even if you disable all extensions with -safe-mode ? |
| 08:09.47 | scud_ | hello, i need the alsa-modules package i cant seem to find it in the repo? |
| 08:09.50 | jasta | hang on, osrry, catching up on backlog. |
| 08:09.53 | xingu | excellent, sid's icedove is busted on amd64 |
| 08:10.02 | formorer | on ppc too |
| 08:10.17 | jasta | \amethyst: I will try right now. |
| 08:10.25 | xingu | cool, been far too long since something was totally bokenated. |
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| 08:10.55 | jasta | \amethyst: yes, the problem persists in -safe-mode. do you still want a screenshot? |
| 08:10.56 | EdLin | \amethyst: I'm not running any extentsions. |
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| 08:11.13 | \amethyst | jasta: if it's not too much trouble |
| 08:11.20 | jasta | sure, ok. |
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| 08:12.35 | jasta | \amethyst: http://plswa.com/iceweasel-google-bug.jpg |
| 08:13.04 | jasta | \amethyst: -safe-mode has no effect on the bug, but clearly does disable my extensions. |
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| 08:13.15 | \amethyst | jasta: how does one set the theme in iGoogle? |
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| 08:13.43 | jasta | It should be across on the row that says "Add a Tab" with the verbiage "Select a theme" |
| 08:13.47 | EdLin | \amethyst: upper-right corner - "themes *new*" |
| 08:14.00 | ma3x | I want to submit a bug about the kernel module sis900 how do I do that? |
| 08:14.03 | jiooer | Hello what do I add to /etc/gdm/gdm.conf to make it propmpt for root password when a user tries to shutdown the computer? |
| 08:14.31 | ravn | anyone can help me. I'm creating a project in Anjuta (completely new to this), but then when I run ./autogen.sh I get the error |
| 08:14.31 | ravn | checking for PACKAGE... configure: error: Package requirements (libgnomeuimm-2.0) were not met: |
| 08:14.31 | ravn | No package 'libgnomeuimm-2.0' found |
| 08:14.31 | ravn | And when I try to apt-get this I cannot find it, also I cannot find it via Google. What is this? |
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| 08:15.34 | \amethyst | jasta, EdLin: no problem here with 2.0.0.3-2 |
| 08:15.46 | jasta | is that in etch? |
| 08:16.04 | xingu | formorer: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=425061 |
| 08:16.07 | EdLin | \amethyst: are you signed in? |
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| 08:16.24 | \amethyst | EdLin: yes |
| 08:16.34 | wykis | hello, how to extract a specific folder from an archive using tar? |
| 08:16.37 | EdLin | \amethyst: strange |
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| 08:16.54 | jasta | EdLin: are you running 2.0.0.3-2? I have 2.0.0.3-1 in etch. |
| 08:17.19 | EdLin | 2.0.0.3-1 |
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| 08:17.43 | ma3x | what should I add to /etc/network/interfaces to specify NIC speed at 10Mbps |
| 08:17.44 | jasta | I'll pull up the -2 changelog, maybe they addressed it but haven't put it in ETch yet. |
| 08:18.11 | \amethyst | jasta, EdLin: None of the changes from -1 to -2 seem to be relevant |
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| 08:18.51 | scud_ | hello, where can i get the alsa-modules-2.6 package? |
| 08:18.51 | jasta | could it be an auxilliary package like -gnome-support causing the problem? |
| 08:18.57 | xingu | ma3x: depends on NIC; it'll either be ethtool or mii-tool to do the work, and hooked using an "up" directive under the iface line. |
| 08:19.10 | jasta | s/ll/l/ |
| 08:19.22 | wykis | how to extract a specific folder from an archive using tar? |
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| 08:19.36 | EdLin | !folder |
| 08:19.37 | dpkg | folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes. |
| 08:19.45 | xingu | ma3x: iface ... eth0 ... ... up /sbin/mii-tool ... |
| 08:20.00 | ma3x | xingu, in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 08:20.03 | qubits | hey |
| 08:20.20 | qubits | i have a .deb for my current kernels madwifi-ng modules |
| 08:20.27 | qubits | i need to patch the source though |
| 08:20.36 | xingu | ma3x: yep, exactly; ifup itself doesn't talk those ioctls, so you need to do this as an up script action for the interface concerned. |
| 08:20.37 | \amethyst | jasta: possible... I've got gnome-support, too, though |
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| 08:20.50 | qubits | i tried downloading the latest source and i get invalid module format from modprobe |
| 08:21.10 | EdLin | \amethyst: I'm not running gnome-support |
| 08:21.12 | jasta | \amethyst: weird then. perhaps there is something particular to our modules? |
| 08:21.20 | jasta | iGoogle modules, that is. |
| 08:21.32 | \amethyst | jasta: might be |
| 08:22.07 | \amethyst | jasta: I've got the default modules |
| 08:22.08 | jasta | hmm, i can't seem to replicate with my girlfriend's login. |
| 08:22.11 | EdLin | I know that when not signed in, or when using the "classic" theme, I don't experience the bug. |
| 08:22.16 | ravn | wykis: tar xvf filename.tar |
| 08:22.25 | xingu | ma3x: there's also pre-up available; the difference being that failures in pre-up can be reported (via shellscript exit code) and will result in the interface not being configured by ifupdown |
| 08:22.39 | jasta | EdLin: the classic theme shows the bug to me as well. not signed in, or using google classic (not classic themed iGoogle), i do not have the problem. |
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| 08:23.00 | roland | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:23.00 | \amethyst | jasta: what modules do you have on your account that she doesn't have? |
| 08:23.03 | ma3x | auto eth0; iface eth0 inet static; up /sbin/mii-tool -s eth0 speed 10 duplex half |
| 08:23.07 | ma3x | xingu, is that good? ^ |
| 08:23.18 | jasta | \amethyst: well, i've tried making a new tab as well and that didn't work. |
| 08:23.22 | EdLin | google classic also doesn't have the problem here. |
| 08:23.26 | jasta | i guess i could try deleting them all but i really don't want to :) |
| 08:23.29 | xingu | ma3x: that looks about right yeah |
| 08:23.43 | xingu | ma3x: test the mii-tool command from the command line first. |
| 08:23.51 | jasta | the bug truthfully seems to relate to that top bar. |
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| 08:23.59 | jasta | the screen is cut where the upper right most div is. |
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| 08:24.15 | xingu | ma3x: it's been a while since I looked at syntax on that, I've been using wlan only for the last 3 years |
| 08:24.21 | ma3x | xingu, my eternal question - if you have 2 interfaces connected to the net, when you browse the internet with iceweasel or ping , how does the system know what connection to use of those 2? |
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| 08:24.53 | xingu | ma3x: it uses whichever of the two has the least "cost" route |
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| 08:25.13 | ma3x | heh, very smart |
| 08:25.15 | xingu | ma3x: route costing is usually shortest prefix match then interface weight (metric) |
| 08:25.46 | wols | ma3x: normally, whatever has the default gateway set is used |
| 08:26.03 | wols | there is multipath routing, but you have to set it up specially and if you did, you'd know how it works |
| 08:26.04 | xingu | ma3x: nb you can play silly buggers with that with multiple route table support; some of that is pure voodoo, some of it is documented in the iproute2 pdf that alexy(?) wrote, some is in the advanced routing howto. |
| 08:26.25 | jelly-home | Hi, how do I make Iceweasel present itself as Firefox? |
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| 08:27.05 | xingu | ma3x: nb one of the authors of that part of the kernel is .ru-based, and at the forefront of their art; and their documentation doesn't always translate well... |
| 08:27.06 | wols | jelly-home: present where? against whom? |
| 08:27.12 | ma3x | jelly-home, what do you mean? iceweasel is iceweasel |
| 08:27.23 | ma3x | it changed from firefox to its new name iceweasel |
| 08:27.32 | jelly-home | wols: to the server |
| 08:27.32 | ma3x | noe more firefox |
| 08:27.52 | wols | jelly-home: user agent string. User agent switcher (google for this ffox extension) |
| 08:28.06 | jelly-home | wols: right, thanks |
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| 08:29.37 | \amethyst | jelly-home: there are extensions for that |
| 08:29.46 | qubits | can someone help me fix my wireless support |
| 08:29.55 | wols | !tell qubits about ask |
| 08:30.23 | qubits | i tried installing the latest madwifi-ng drivers and i get invalid module format when trying to modprobe them |
| 08:30.32 | qubits | Does anyone know of the solution |
| 08:30.34 | xingu | ma3x: here you go - http://www.policyrouting.org/iproute2.doc.html - someone's turned the first of alexey's pdf's into html and cleaned up some of his grammar too by the looks |
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| 08:30.50 | Sebboh | edlin, jasta, others, please post your bug reports on the official Google Groups support page for iGoogle. There might even be an existing thread about the issue. You might find it here: http://groups.google.com/group/Google_Web_Search_Help/search?group=Google_Web_Search_Help&q=firefox |
| 08:30.50 | qubits | Linux delta 2.6.17.13-kanotix-2 #1 SMP PREEMPT Tue Sep 12 12:38:45 CEST 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 08:30.57 | wols | qubits: you need to tell us a lot more about your problem and what you did |
| 08:31.04 | qubits | Using built-in specs. |
| 08:31.05 | wols | qubits: you are in the wrong channel. we can't help you |
| 08:31.05 | qubits | Target: i486-linux-gnu |
| 08:31.05 | qubits | Configured with: ../src/configure -v --enable-languages=c,c++,java,f95,objc,ada,treelang --prefix=/usr --enable-shared --with-system-zlib --libexecdir=/usr/lib --without-included-gettext --enable-threads=posix --enable-nls --program-suffix=-4.0 --enable-__cxa_atexit --enable-clocale=gnu --enable-libstdcxx-debug --enable-java-awt=gtk-default --enable-gtk-cairo --with-java-home=/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.4.2-gcj-4.0-1.4.2.0/jre --enable-mpfr --disable-werror -- |
| 08:31.05 | qubits | with-tune=i686 --enable-checking=release i486-linux-gnu |
| 08:31.07 | qubits | Thread model: posix |
| 08:31.07 | wols | !kanotix |
| 08:31.07 | dpkg | it has been said that kanotix is not Debian, and we can't help you. Go /join #kanotix, or such a big fan of debian, it has sources for woody, sarge AND sid in sources.list (sid default) See <Based On Debian>, or go to #kanotix |
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| 08:31.16 | wols | quitte_: and stop the fscking pasting |
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| 08:31.27 | xand | qubits: don't paste |
| 08:31.43 | wols | qubits: you are in the wrong channel. we cannot help you |
| 08:31.46 | qubits | I unload wlan and ath modules |
| 08:32.06 | \amethyst | jelly-home: or, in about:config, change the value of general.useragent.extra.firefox |
| 08:32.07 | xand | qubits: you don't appear to be using debian |
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| 08:32.30 | qubits | checkedout the latest madwifi-ng snapshots, compiled + make install, and now modprobe ath_pci reports invalid module format |
| 08:32.39 | xand | qubits: YOU ARE IN THE WRONG CHANNEl |
| 08:32.40 | xand | L |
| 08:32.43 | xand | :)D |
| 08:32.44 | qubits | I think it had something to do with compiling with the same version of gcc as my kernal was |
| 08:32.46 | qubits | im using etch |
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| 08:32.48 | Sebboh | Qubits, you don't look up at the screen much, do you? |
| 08:32.50 | wols | qubits: you tell all this to the wrong channel. you run kanotix not debian |
| 08:32.51 | noob```` | lol |
| 08:33.12 | wols | qubits: you don't use etch. you use kanotix |
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| 08:33.23 | xand | qubits: why does your kernel have the word "kanotix" in then? |
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| 08:33.42 | qubits | Anyone with advice? I know this is a simple issue |
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| 08:33.52 | qubits | I have my kernel package |
| 08:33.55 | Sebboh | he must be dropping packets, too... |
| 08:33.59 | wols | qubits: we cabÄt advice kanotix users |
| 08:34.04 | EdLin | qubits: #kanotix |
| 08:34.10 | qubits | Is there a way to check what version it was compiled with? |
| 08:34.12 | wols | Sebboh: my guess is he has all of us on /ignore |
| 08:34.30 | wols | qubits: ask #kanotix. they know |
| 08:34.33 | sanxiyn | qubits: You mean, which version of gcc was used to compile the kernel you're running? |
| 08:34.43 | qubits | Yes sanxiyn |
| 08:34.51 | sanxiyn | I'm curious about that too. If anyone knows please tell. |
| 08:34.52 | \amethyst | qubits: cat /proc/version |
| 08:34.54 | jelly-home | \amethyst: thanks! |
| 08:35.03 | sanxiyn | \amethyst: Thanks. |
| 08:35.12 | qubits | gcc version 4.1.2 20060901 prerelease |
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| 08:35.21 | sanxiyn | qubits: So compile the module with the same compiler. |
| 08:35.22 | qubits | (Debian 4.1.1-13)) |
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| 08:35.35 | qubits | thanks sanxiyn, see that's all you guys had to do |
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| 08:35.45 | qubits | this wasn't rocket science |
| 08:35.54 | wols | !moron qubits |
| 08:35.54 | dpkg | qubits: You are moron #51 |
| 08:35.54 | qubits | i knew someone would just say it |
| 08:35.57 | PuNcHLiNe | lol |
| 08:35.59 | qubits | !moron wols |
| 08:35.59 | dpkg | wols: You are moron #94 |
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| 08:36.03 | Sebboh | qubits, don't thank us, thank geographic seperation.... |
| 08:36.03 | sanxiyn | wols: Eh. |
| 08:36.05 | PuNcHLiNe | you`re on debian, get used to it |
| 08:36.14 | qubits | i'm used to it |
| 08:36.17 | qubits | #asm is worse |
| 08:36.26 | PuNcHLiNe | they are stupid, what else can i say |
| 08:36.27 | PuNcHLiNe | lol |
| 08:36.42 | PuNcHLiNe | thats why they use debian, lol |
| 08:36.42 | qubits | i wouldn't go sofar as to say that |
| 08:36.48 | qubits | oh these people |
| 08:36.52 | wols | !ops PuNcHLiNe is trolling |
| 08:36.52 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: wols complains about: PuNcHLiNe is trolling |
| 08:37.10 | ma3x | xingu, I want to submit a bug for sis900 which is included in the kernel modules. how do I do that? |
| 08:37.13 | qubits | my preferable plaform is openbsd |
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| 08:37.32 | xingu | ma3x: probably a bug against the relevant kernel source package |
| 08:37.38 | qubits | you guys are touchy about your os |
| 08:37.39 | qubits | thats good |
| 08:37.42 | qubits | I like debian |
| 08:37.43 | wols | ma3x: by registering a bug on the kernel package you're usiong. how is there a bug? |
| 08:37.45 | Sebboh | I'm pretty sure that the ops keyword should be used sparingly.. Anyway. Bye all. Thanks for the help earlier. |
| 08:37.49 | xingu | ma3x: or just email the maintainer directly |
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| 08:37.52 | qubits | I'd love to become a kernel hacker |
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| 08:38.36 | sanxiyn | qubits: http://kernelnewbies.org/ |
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| 08:39.06 | qubits | gotta learn more c first |
| 08:39.07 | qubits | but thank you |
| 08:39.28 | wols | qubits: good luck |
| 08:39.33 | ma3x | xingu, what source? there is only linux-kernel-headers and linux-image-2.6.18-4-amd64 |
| 08:39.41 | qubits | ^_^ |
| 08:39.43 | ma3x | I don't have the kernel-source installed |
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| 08:39.55 | qubits | gotta update my kernel anyways |
| 08:39.59 | wols | ma3x: you have a kernel package installed. you would report bugs against that |
| 08:40.03 | qubits | ill do that when i break this wep tho |
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| 08:40.14 | qubits | thats why im updating the drivers with patched ath |
| 08:40.19 | nyty | : |
| 08:40.23 | wols | tho I'd be vrey certain before filing a bug against a fairly mature driver like sis900. so better make sure it's ana ctual bug |
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| 08:40.44 | sanxiyn | ma3x: You get oops? |
| 08:40.46 | nyty | : |
| 08:40.48 | nyty | hi |
| 08:40.53 | xingu | ma3x: yep, but that's where the bug belongs; Source: line for linux-image-2.6.18-4-amd64 is "linux-2.6" so my /guess/ is that's where the bug report goes |
| 08:40.59 | ma3x | yeah |
| 08:41.11 | xingu | ma3x: nb sis900 driver homepage per MAINTAINERS is http://www.brownhat.org/sis900.html |
| 08:41.14 | sanxiyn | ma3x: Or how does the driver misbehave? |
| 08:41.44 | ma3x | sanxiyn, too many corrupted packages %30 |
| 08:41.58 | wols | ma3x: how do you know this is a driver problem? |
| 08:42.12 | wols | sounds like bad cable or bad hardware to me (I have two SIS900 based NICs here) |
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| 08:42.53 | ma3x | wols, yeah I'm sure the rest (cables, router ... _) work fine |
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| 08:43.05 | xingu | ma3x: nb: most of the kernel guys will want you to test patches which means you're about to start building kernels. :) |
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| 08:43.19 | wols | xingu: §deity help us |
| 08:43.32 | ma3x | yes you'll help me build a kernel |
| 08:43.35 | xingu | that's some funky font you've got there |
| 08:44.01 | ma3x | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=sis900+corrupted+packet+received&btnG=Google+Search |
| 08:44.19 | wols | nah, just my expertness in making typos :) it's a paragraph sign (from lawbooks e.g.) which is right besides the $ key on german keyboards :) |
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| 08:44.27 | qubits | sigh |
| 08:44.31 | xingu | ma3x: heh there's even an existing bts on it - 422675 |
| 08:44.40 | qubits | using my gprs connection to download the 14mb gcc 20060901 |
| 08:44.40 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 422675 |
| 08:44.43 | dpkg | #422675:N[linux-image-2.6.18-4-k7] sis900: tons of corrupted packets are reported; Mon, 7 May 2007 16:12:06 UTC |
| 08:44.49 | sanxiyn | Indeed. |
| 08:44.57 | ma3x | is there a fix? |
| 08:45.35 | sanxiyn | ma3x: The bug report suggests that disabling full duplex may help. |
| 08:45.53 | ma3x | I just played around with that a little bit, let me try again |
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| 08:46.04 | wols | ma3x: since there s already a bug reported, no need for you to report another one unless you want to corrberate the findings of thoe others |
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| 08:46.50 | ma3x | what about a fix? it only suggests switching to HD, which I already did |
| 08:46.51 | sanxiyn | ma3x: Read the bug report, and feel free to add your information if you think it'd help. |
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| 08:48.41 | sandman_ | So how much support is given to Debian's older releases? |
| 08:48.54 | sandman_ | Like Sarge? Let's say a large, gaping security hole was discovered |
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| 08:49.11 | sandman_ | Would the fix be brought back all the way to the older distributions? |
| 08:49.28 | ma3x | I switched to HD, it just shows the same errors |
| 08:49.53 | sanxiyn | ma3x: You may want to mail that information to the bug then. |
| 08:50.00 | sandman | I ask, because I wanted to make it a practice to make installation for clients using the release codename in sources.list |
| 08:50.07 | sanxiyn | ma3x: Including, when did it start to happen, etc. |
| 08:50.22 | ma3x | sanxiyn, do I reply via the web? |
| 08:50.23 | sandman | This way they wouldn't have to worry too much about dist-upgrade (this is something they'd just call me about instead) |
| 08:50.40 | sanxiyn | ma3x: You mail 422675@bugs.debian.org |
| 08:50.42 | xingu | sandman: my own experience fwiw is that once a new stable is out, timeliness suffers; good idea to create a build host if you're no longer tracking stable. |
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| 08:51.08 | sandman | Basically it would be a _mostly_ set and forget issue, with a few exceptions to the rule. You know, setup permissions, accounts, teach them how to use it, and have apt automagically install security fixes. |
| 08:51.26 | sandman | This way I can make any number of installations, and only need to focus on maintaining Debian repositories. |
| 08:51.28 | xingu | sandman: ie, using your oldstable buildhost, you get to do the simple backports; or better, plan an upgrade to stable. |
| 08:51.55 | ma3x | sanxiyn, will that appear on the web immediately/ |
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| 08:52.12 | sandman | xingu: Do old stable releases disappear from the offical debian repositories? |
| 08:52.16 | sanxiyn | ma3x: It will appear after some time. But you will receive acknowledgement mail very soon. |
| 08:52.47 | sanxiyn | sandman: No. |
| 08:52.58 | cydork | sandman: they go to archive.debian.org |
| 08:53.06 | ma3x | sanxiyn, can you tell me what all information I need to tell in that mail? |
| 08:53.11 | sandman | cydork: And then they're no longer maintained? |
| 08:53.12 | ma3x | that I tried to put it in HD mode, and still with errors |
| 08:53.13 | xingu | sandman: I don't see buzz, rex, bo, or hamm on the main mirrors any more ;) |
| 08:53.13 | sanxiyn | cydork: Eh, that's older than oldstable. |
| 08:53.15 | ma3x | what else? |
| 08:53.34 | xingu | sandman: so that would be "yes" |
| 08:53.36 | cydork | sandman: no old stable is there in official repos for 1 year. |
| 08:53.37 | sanxiyn | ma3x: Maybe lspci. |
| 08:53.39 | ma3x | it happened always, as I've installed debian 5-6 times in the last month |
| 08:53.49 | sanxiyn | ma3x: You installed etch? |
| 08:53.51 | lun | good morning ;-) |
| 08:53.52 | sandman | cydork: And then moved to archive.debian.org? |
| 08:53.58 | ma3x | sanxiyn, what do I put in subject field? |
| 08:53.58 | cydork | sandman: yes. |
| 08:54.02 | ma3x | sanxiyn, yes etch |
| 08:54.12 | ma3x | why |
| 08:54.18 | sandman | cydork: Once there @ archive.debian.org, could someone like me still send in fixes to maintainers? |
| 08:54.18 | sanxiyn | ma3x: Then say that too. "I installed etch and it always happened..." |
| 08:54.22 | sandman | _are_ there maintainers of the old stables? |
| 08:54.40 | ma3x | sanxiyn, what do I put in the mail subject field? |
| 08:54.41 | xingu | nb I don't see those dists on archive either. |
| 08:54.50 | EdLin | sandman: no |
| 08:54.51 | cydork | sandman: in which version are you interested? |
| 08:55.10 | sanxiyn | ma3x: Doesn't matter much. |
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| 08:55.28 | sanxiyn | ma3x: Maybe "HD mode didn't help" |
| 08:55.31 | ma3x | sanxiyn, lspci and what else? |
| 08:55.45 | sanxiyn | ma3x: I don't know. |
| 08:56.02 | sandman | Well, see... this is my intention: I want to setup and sell contracts to clients for installing Debian. When I do that, I will use the release codename in sources.list. This way, when a dist-upgrade is released, I will bring it up to them, but an automatic upgrade will not be made (this could perhaps raise complications, but of course I'd promote the idea anyway since it's a good thing after all) |
| 08:56.02 | sanxiyn | ma3x: I guess, if some more info is needed those who can fix the problem will ask. |
| 08:56.13 | ma3x | ok good |
| 08:56.44 | sandman | Furthermore, from what I now understand, one year following a new stable release, the repo is moved to archive.debian.org |
| 08:56.59 | EdLin | sandman: considering the rate of new releases, I don't think that will be a problem, unless you intend to visit your clients less often than once in three years. |
| 08:56.59 | xingu | sandman: seems to me that you can only freeload/cost-shift so far, and that you'll need at some point to engage with the idea that you'll be performing the maintainer role once a dist is transitioned |
| 08:57.13 | xingu | sandman: nb archive.d.o doesn't seem to have woody or prior. |
| 08:57.27 | sandman | No problem yet. However, if they choose not to upgrade (let's say their system works quite well, and hasn't crashed in so many years, etc) |
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| 08:57.42 | sandman | I'd still like to provide support for major holes, like the one with BIND a while back. |
| 08:57.50 | Tchaka | exec google |
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| 08:58.04 | xingu | sandman: of course if your business plan included adding capacity to archive and funding maintenance I'm sure all things would be possible. |
| 08:58.13 | sandman | Hmm. I suppose. I understand it's a good idea, but if you've worked with many companies on a contractual basis, you'll come to understand that they dislike change |
| 08:58.29 | sandman | And the idea that Yes, they may just set and forget a system (mostly) is a thoroughly attractive thing. |
| 08:58.41 | xingu | especially from a cost shifting point of view |
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| 08:58.48 | sandman | And this can be done to a great extent with Debian, as I've found. I just wanted to take it a step further. |
| 08:59.02 | xingu | ... and have the debian project fund your overheads in perpetuity |
| 08:59.05 | xingu | money for jam |
| 08:59.10 | sandman | xingu: Well, that may well be my intention. It's much easier to maintain releases |
| 08:59.20 | sanxiyn | sandman: Are you thinking about something like fedoralegacy? |
| 08:59.30 | sandman | sanxiyn: I'm not familiar. |
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| 08:59.44 | EdLin | heh, fedoralegacy. Even they got rid of that one. |
| 08:59.56 | sanxiyn | EdLin: Indeed. |
| 09:00.01 | sandman | How many exploits are laying around for legacy releases? |
| 09:00.03 | sandman | I should ask that |
| 09:00.04 | sanxiyn | sandman: http://www.fedoralegacy.org/ used to fix security bugs in Red Hat 7.3 and onward. |
| 09:00.05 | xingu | it's expensive |
| 09:00.08 | xingu | that's why people pay for it. |
| 09:00.10 | sanxiyn | sandman: They don't anymore. |
| 09:00.18 | xingu | otherwise, they wouldn't, and you wouldn't have a business |
| 09:00.30 | xingu | see how this works? |
| 09:00.41 | sanxiyn | sandman: Have a look at Fedora Legacy's security advisory list to have a feel. |
| 09:00.45 | sandman | Are you basically saying that supporting older software gets more and more tasking? |
| 09:00.50 | xingu | yes |
| 09:01.00 | sanxiyn | sandman: In general yes. |
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| 09:01.08 | xingu | geometrically so |
| 09:01.14 | EdLin | sandman: older software doesn't mean less security holes to fix |
| 09:01.30 | sandman | Perhaps instead I should just say that there is a one year grace period after an new release is made. After this period, support is mostly dropped simply for the sake of costs. |
| 09:01.33 | sanxiyn | sandman: Certainly, I can imagine someone may be interested in security fixes to Woody. The difficult part is to get the enough interest and resource. |
| 09:01.35 | xingu | EdLin: or less impact from fixing them. |
| 09:01.52 | sanxiyn | sandman: That sounds reasonable. |
| 09:02.01 | sandman | sanxiyn: I can do that. |
| 09:02.24 | sanxiyn | (Hell, *I* am using NAS which runs customized version of Debian Woody/ARM.) |
| 09:02.33 | xingu | it's a much harder proposition to take some patch p, backport it, re-release impacted package set s, and all without causing any breakage. |
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| 09:02.38 | sandman | You know, if they use a server for internal-only purposes, and it's only used by a certain number of people... and those people can be trusted and accounted for... likely security is not as much of an issue as stability is. |
| 09:02.43 | sanxiyn | I mostly don't care to update that though. |
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| 09:03.15 | sandman | For instance, if I'm running a business with my brother, and only he and I will use a system, and it's not connected to the internet in any direct way (or to anyone else for that matter), security is somehow less of an issue. |
| 09:03.27 | rrk | anyone around for help with a Ati radeon x1600 |
| 09:03.44 | EdLin | !anyone |
| 09:03.44 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 09:04.08 | xingu | sandman: and in that situation do you think that some third party could sell you or your brother the idea of a software maintenance contract? |
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| 09:04.25 | rrk | cant start x with an Ati X1600 |
| 09:04.28 | sandman | xingu: Hm... I wouldn't think so |
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| 09:04.41 | xingu | sandman: now you start to appreciate the problem I think. |
| 09:04.49 | sandman | Why would one do that, it's not really open for exploitation anyway. And typically Debian systems run pretty darn stable indeed. |
| 09:05.42 | xingu | sandman: what can and does work, is selling preloaded appliances; define the inputs and outputs and drop a box built on current-stable that does the job |
| 09:05.48 | sandman | xingu: So in summary, backporting to an old release outside its 1-year grace period is pointless for a number of reasons. I think I've a healthy conclusion to the discussion then :) |
| 09:06.09 | xingu | sandman: once it hits its functional end of life either from a hardware or sw maintenance pov, sell another box to spec. |
| 09:06.36 | sandman | xingu: Right. Basically say here's a machine that will do this that and the other thing, and past this period of time, it will slip out of the support cycle (although that exact time is unspecified; could be tomorrow, could be 3 years from now, who knows) |
| 09:07.01 | xingu | sandman: exactly; it's an easy sell, because the sheep are preconditioned to the idea of in- and out- of warranty periods. |
| 09:07.18 | sandman | And you can still use it if it works, of course, but they might want to think about a dist-upgrade ($$$$), or just keeping it off the internet and instead on a private network consisting of trusted individuals. |
| 09:07.36 | sandman | Works for me. |
| 09:07.40 | xingu | sandman: out of warranty, support changes to time/materials, which allows you to fire up your oldstable buildhost and rebuilt bespoke patch sets if required - charging hourly rate to do so. |
| 09:08.27 | sandman | And if that scenario becomes popular enough, what you mentioned about speakig with the Debian Foundation about infrastructure support would apply :) |
| 09:08.34 | xingu | sandman: given the economics, folk tend to persuade themselves that the same fiscal resource with some term "improved performance" as a byproduct is a better pick |
| 09:08.35 | sandman | However this is unlikely... |
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| 09:08.51 | sandman | I can't see ever making a living on backporting stuff... but, heck, should it happen by some act of God, surely I'll take that route as well. |
| 09:09.06 | xingu | sandman: I'm not speaking purely theoretically on this btw. |
| 09:09.13 | jetscreamer | !xinerama |
| 09:09.14 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xinerama is where you have several monitors but only one logical desktop -- XFree86 4.0 and X.org have it! Documentation is available: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Xinerama-HOWTO.html http://pwp.netcabo.pt/0150048402/linux/Multiple_Nvidia_Multiple_Head.html |
| 09:09.16 | sandman | xingu: This is a proven system? :) |
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| 09:09.27 | sandman | xingu: As a methodology for sales and contract, that is. |
| 09:10.21 | xingu | sandman: it worked while I was doing it - worst split between current and customer was being hauled in to fix a problem with uucp locking on a 0.93r3-ish system circa bo |
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| 09:10.38 | sandman | lol |
| 09:10.43 | sandman | That's cute, inded. |
| 09:11.14 | sandman | But you know it's great that people like us are able to make more money off contracts while at the same time saving the customers money by avoiding licensing fees. |
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| 09:11.26 | sandman | So they win, we win, M$ loses. |
| 09:11.36 | xingu | sandman: there's about 150-odd potato and woody systems I built still ticking over for soho internet gateways. |
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| 09:13.45 | sandman | Say, how might I get my name up at http://www.us.debian.org/consultants/ ? |
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| 09:14.21 | tarzeau | sandman: sure, read the page how |
| 09:14.41 | styx_tdo | hi i need someone with experience with XEN.. all my attempts were doomed :/ |
| 09:14.56 | dondelelcaro | styx_tdo: best to just ask your question, and seomeone will answer |
| 09:15.17 | pwned | or they will say doooooooooooooomed |
| 09:15.51 | rrk | i need some hel[p with xorg |
| 09:16.10 | styx_tdo | i have dom0 running from unstable w/ hypervisor 3 pae with 2.6.20 and libc6-xen, but when starting a bootstrapped guest, SSH works but i never ever get a console |
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| 09:16.29 | DrPhil_Guth | Hello! I'm using Etch and I need to get a package from lenny. How can I do that without having to upgrade all other packages? |
| 09:16.46 | EdLin | !tell DrPhil_Guth about pinning |
| 09:17.19 | sandman | tarzeau: That might help. Thanks. |
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| 09:17.22 | debianix | hey any of you using xfce4 here |
| 09:17.27 | styx_tdo | dondelelcaro: it's a bit complicated, i wanted to check if there are any xen ppl here first |
| 09:17.39 | DrPhil_Guth | EdLin: thanks, i'll read that |
| 09:18.19 | dondelelcaro | styx_tdo: you mean when you ssh it connects, but the shell doesn't ever start? or do you mean that xm console doesn't work? |
| 09:18.29 | debianix | would like to know if anyone has network manager applet installed |
| 09:18.35 | jetscreamer | no |
| 09:18.35 | tarzeau | styx_tdo: /msg dpkg poll |
| 09:18.44 | jetscreamer | nobody |
| 09:18.49 | dondelelcaro | ugh. Don't use pinning; use a backport |
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| 09:19.39 | ootput | is gaim still known as gaim in debian circles? |
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| 09:19.47 | dondelelcaro | ootput: no. |
| 09:19.56 | styx_tdo | dondelelcaro ssh works aftermounting and changing loads of stuff, yes. i had success in my last install, but now xm console just doesn't show a login and ssh fails with "no pty" |
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| 09:20.39 | EdLin | !tell DrPhil_Guth about simple-sid-backport |
| 09:20.45 | dondelelcaro | styx_tdo: is /dev/pts mounted? |
| 09:20.46 | ootput | dondelelcaro: will repos adopt it's newest name anytime in the foreseeable future? |
| 09:20.58 | EdLin | oh well, forgot what that factoid is |
| 09:21.04 | ootput | oh, it's already in unstable |
| 09:21.18 | styx_tdo | dondelelcaro no way to see:/ - i installed udev |
| 09:21.52 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: no, pinning is <reply> If you are running stable, don't pin; use a backport. Ask me about <backports> or <simple sid backport>. If you're using testing, man apt_preferences or see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning. |
| 09:21.52 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
| 09:22.46 | EdLin | dondelelcaro: sorry about the bad advice |
| 09:22.57 | dondelelcaro | EdLin: no worries; it's corrected now |
| 09:23.13 | dondelelcaro | styx_tdo: which kernel are you using for the xen instance? |
| 09:23.25 | EdLin | DrPhil_Guth: ^^^ |
| 09:23.32 | dondelelcaro | styx_tdo: and secondly, how did you bootstrap it? |
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| 09:24.58 | styx_tdo | dondelelcaro 2.6.20.. sec |
| 09:25.25 | styx_tdo | 2.6.20-1-xen-686 |
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| 09:26.06 | styx_tdo | dondelelcaro like in the wikis.. make files, debootstrap, chroot into them, configure them and then start them... |
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| 09:29.53 | dondelelcaro | styx_tdo: restart the client, and give the output of the initial console in a paste site, if you would |
| 09:30.06 | styx_tdo | dondelelcaro: : xen-hypervisor 3.0.3-0-2 |
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| 09:30.18 | styx_tdo | ok.. paster site anyone? |
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| 09:30.46 | phretor | hi there |
| 09:30.51 | sanxiyn | styx_tdo: http://pastebin.com/ should do. |
| 09:31.15 | qubits | pastebin.ca i use |
| 09:31.36 | qubits | !kde-look |
| 09:31.36 | dpkg | kde-look is probably where you go to make your KDE sekzeee |
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| 09:32.57 | styx_tdo | ;) pastebin.com is dead |
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| 09:33.01 | dondelelcaro | !paste |
| 09:33.01 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC or if those are not working, ask me about <pastebin> for other options |
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| 09:33.08 | styx_tdo | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:33.56 | styx_tdo | dondelelcaro http://pastebin.ca/498279 |
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| 09:35.47 | dondelelcaro | styx_tdo: /etc/init.d/rc: line 78: /etc/rcS.d/S03udev: Permission denied <-- this shouldn't be failing like that |
| 09:36.04 | styx_tdo | sh* |
| 09:36.24 | dondelelcaro | styx_tdo: look at its permissions to make sure it's +x |
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| 09:38.14 | Kiezlax | hi. is there another way of gettin debian sarge netinstall |
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| 09:38.27 | sanxiyn | Kiezlax: Why Sarge? |
| 09:38.28 | EdLin | Kiezlax: don't you want etch? |
| 09:38.57 | qubits | Isn't sid the newest? |
| 09:39.00 | styx_tdo | ook there's something really br0ken. in rc.S there is no symlink but a file... investigating |
| 09:39.06 | qubits | FATAL: Error inserting ath_pci (/lib/modules/2.6.17.13-kanotix-2/kernel/drivers/net/ath_pci.ko): Invalid module format |
| 09:39.13 | Kiezlax | not really |
| 09:39.14 | EdLin | qubits: not the newest stable, and sid has no isos. |
| 09:39.23 | EdLin | Kiezlax: why. |
| 09:39.27 | qubits | I need to install a new gcc |
| 09:39.31 | qubits | but i get an error |
| 09:39.40 | qubits | gcc: gengtype-lex.c: No such file or directory |
| 09:39.40 | dondelelcaro | qubits: you're using kanotix, not Debian |
| 09:39.55 | qubits | im using the etch core |
| 09:39.59 | sanxiyn | qubits: Eh. |
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| 09:40.00 | qubits | point blank |
| 09:40.01 | sanxiyn | ... |
| 09:40.03 | EdLin | !debian based |
| 09:40.04 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 09:40.20 | jetscreamer | there are unofficial sid .iso's on some .hu addy |
| 09:40.25 | styx_tdo | dondelelcaro rebootin |
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| 09:40.43 | qubits | there is online one developer in kanotix now i think |
| 09:40.47 | qubits | one main packager at least |
| 09:40.48 | dondelelcaro | styx_tdo: yeah, if you haven't gotten too far along, I'd just re debootstrap that system; it's definetly screwed |
| 09:40.49 | jetscreamer | but you can use the nightlies to do unstable... businesscard best iirc |
| 09:40.49 | qubits | he's not there |
| 09:40.54 | EdLin | !they don't know |
| 09:40.54 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 09:40.55 | Kiezlax | cause in sarge everything ran a whole lot better here |
| 09:40.57 | rrk | dpkg your fs it is straight sid |
| 09:40.58 | dpkg | rrk: I think you lost me on that one |
| 09:41.11 | qubits | they say i can't just update gcc cause it might break stuff |
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| 09:41.34 | qubits | EdLin: this error is not distro specific, please remember that |
| 09:41.36 | sanxiyn | qubits: Sorry, I want to help you, but it's best done outside of #debian. |
| 09:41.41 | EdLin | qubits: then maybe you should run Debian instead |
| 09:41.49 | qubits | i may |
| 09:41.50 | sanxiyn | Yes, EdLin's right. |
| 09:41.54 | dondelelcaro | styx_tdo: it should just be a mount device...; debootstrap etch device; |
| 09:41.56 | qubits | if i can get the connection to download it |
| 09:42.04 | qubits | for that i need access to dsl nearby |
| 09:42.11 | styx_tdo | dondelelcaro it's a file |
| 09:42.14 | styx_tdo | ?? |
| 09:42.20 | xand | I don't have an ass thanks |
| 09:42.28 | qubits | dondelelcaro: what's your opinion |
| 09:42.34 | carlesoriol | Ubuntu Catalan Loco Team is doing an InstallParty. You can see it at: mplayer http://videoserver.ac.upc.es:920 and http://videoserver.ac.upc.es:921 |
| 09:42.34 | dondelelcaro | qubits: please ask in #kanotix, not here. I won't repeat myself. |
| 09:42.45 | qubits | kk |
| 09:42.49 | pivo | How can I use unstable packages on Etch? |
| 09:42.55 | xand | carlesoriol: why would we care about ubuntu? |
| 09:43.03 | dondelelcaro | styx_tdo: that's fine; mount -o loop foofile footmp; debootstrap etch footmp; umount footmp; |
| 09:43.08 | dondelelcaro | (or similar) |
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| 09:43.47 | troytroy | hi whats the mean of this error please |
| 09:44.00 | jetscreamer | it means you can't report an error well apparently |
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| 09:44.11 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 09:44.11 | dpkg | i heard paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC or if those are not working, ask me about <pastebin> for other options |
| 09:44.11 | styx_tdo | ok. it's strapping ;) |
| 09:44.27 | sanxiyn | styx_tdo: Good :) |
| 09:45.34 | pivo | So anybody can tell me, how install unstable packages on etch? |
| 09:45.48 | jetscreamer | !backport |
| 09:45.48 | dpkg | backport is, like, a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> Beware that if you add backports.org to your sources.list, you will get *all* backports when you upgrade. Read the instructions on how to only get ... |
| 09:46.24 | jetscreamer | !tell pivo -about backport |
| 09:46.40 | rrk | apt-get install -t unstable yourpackage |
| 09:46.46 | Kiezlax | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:47.08 | pivo | thnx I read now |
| 09:47.25 | jzxu | how can I embed a pipe inside an xargs command? |
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| 09:48.37 | dondelelcaro | jzxu: using sh -c |
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| 09:49.29 | jzxu | dondelelcaro: do I have to escape it with \ ? |
| 09:50.05 | dondelelcaro | jzxu: no |
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| 09:51.12 | jzxu | actually, that's not going to work. What I really need to know is the regex equivalents of ^ and $ for the null characters generated by find -print0 |
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| 09:51.55 | rrk | in an xorg log what does (II) and (EE) as a line prefix? |
| 09:52.08 | qubits | info |
| 09:52.10 | psnl | info, and error |
| 09:52.10 | qubits | error |
| 09:52.11 | jetscreamer | it says |
| 09:52.12 | qubits | respectively |
| 09:52.24 | qubits | errors will need to be resolved |
| 09:52.26 | dondelelcaro | jzxu: lets back up. What exactly are you trying to do? |
| 09:52.27 | qubits | have you tried xorgconfig |
| 09:52.39 | rrk | yes |
| 09:52.56 | rrk | and dpkg-reconfigure |
| 09:53.10 | xingu | jzxu: sometimes, a literal [ctrl]-[@] suffices. |
| 09:53.13 | jzxu | dondelelcaro: I want to convert a bunch of flac files into wavs, then encode those into mp3s |
| 09:53.36 | jzxu | the problem is those files have spaces in their names |
| 09:54.08 | jetscreamer | why can't you just convert the flac to mp3 |
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| 09:54.20 | qubits | what error do you get rrk |
| 09:54.34 | rrk | device not found |
| 09:54.38 | jzxu | jetscreamer: I don't think lame can read flac format |
| 09:54.53 | qubits | Do you know which device? |
| 09:54.59 | rrk | sorry No device detected |
| 09:55.14 | rrk | yep |
| 09:55.34 | dondelelcaro | jzxu: so do something like find . -type f -print0|xargs -0 perl -e 'system(q(convert_to_wav),$_,$_.q(.wav)) and system(q(convert_to_mp3),$_.q(.wav),$_.q(.mp3)) for @ARGV'; etc. or similar |
| 09:56.09 | jzxu | dondelelcaro: er, thanks, but I have no understanding of perl |
| 09:56.15 | qubits | which device |
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| 09:57.41 | dondelelcaro | well, you can do it with a shell script too; it's not exactly difficult |
| 09:57.46 | rrk | i have that says (II) Primary Device is: PCI 01:00:0 which correct as per lspci |
| 09:57.53 | rrk | line |
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| 09:59.12 | qubits | dondelelcaro: attempting to apt-get install gcc-4.1 |
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| 09:59.23 | rrk | I have a Fatal server error: no screens found that i assume goes with the (EE) line |
| 09:59.34 | jzxu | dondelelcaro: yeah, I'm trying to do it with sed |
| 09:59.40 | qubits | yeah that's a basic error rrk |
| 09:59.48 | jzxu | at the moment I can't really think, I should really go to sleep |
| 09:59.52 | qubits | there are more config programs |
| 09:59.55 | qubits | find them |
| 10:00.03 | qubits | then choose your monitors chipset properly |
| 10:00.15 | rrk | i been thru the config and it sure looks like it has the right pieces |
| 10:00.27 | qubits | try again i guess |
| 10:00.31 | qubits | its common |
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| 10:01.14 | styx_tdo | dondelelcaro amm http://pastebin.ca/498297 happens from time to time, too.. any idea? |
| 10:01.26 | styx_tdo | i did google, but w/o much success |
| 10:01.37 | rrk | ok this is an IBM A30 laptop lspci and lshw seem to jive with config file |
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| 10:01.49 | qubits | I need to force this makefile to use the binary gcc-4.1 |
| 10:01.56 | qubits | Should I symlink it or something? |
| 10:02.42 | dondelelcaro | jzxu: using sed is the completely wrong approach; either use system or use "$@" in a shell script or similar |
| 10:04.01 | jzxu | dondelelcaro: actually, I think I got it now by piping from flac decoder to lame encoder and skipping the temporary wav file in the middle |
| 10:04.12 | jzxu | so I don't have to do any name translations |
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| 10:06.15 | eMish | The 'dialog' utility -- is it what debian uses ? Is there better replacement to 'dialog' ? |
| 10:06.31 | dondelelcaro | eMish: it's one of the things we use; what about it? |
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| 10:06.41 | jzxu | dondelelcaro: but I'll think about the problem I was having with sed when I'm in a more conscious state of mind. thanks for the advice |
| 10:06.51 | styx_tdo | dondelelcaro amm http://pastebin.ca/498297 happens from time to time, too.. any idea? iret errors |
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| 10:07.14 | dondelelcaro | styx_tdo: not sure; I'd check google for that one |
| 10:07.27 | troytroy | relocation error: /netup/utm5/bin/utm5_core: symbol errno, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference |
| 10:07.43 | troytroy | how do i solve this problem |
| 10:07.44 | styx_tdo | did, not too much success.. just that it happens with xen3 |
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| 10:08.53 | troytroy | do i have to downgrade my system? |
| 10:09.23 | jzxu | spaces, newlines, and nulls, oh my |
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| 10:09.54 | Bogaurd | I'm playing with smartmontools - what does the 'automatic offline testing' option do? does this mean the drive needs to be unmounted or something? |
| 10:10.00 | xingu | troytroy: that is one seriously old binary; does the vendor ship a glibc2.2+ version? |
| 10:10.18 | xingu | troytroy: if not, raise a support call with them and ask them to. |
| 10:10.38 | jetscreamer | i haven't had any luck with 2.6.21 yet... they oops |
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| 10:11.01 | troytroy | xingu nope |
| 10:11.17 | wols | troytroy: you have a package held back |
| 10:11.17 | troytroy | xingu i guess i have to install sarge |
| 10:11.34 | xingu | troytroy: "nope" - you can't raise a support call? |
| 10:11.36 | troytroy | wols ? |
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| 10:12.07 | wols | iter_: it usually happens when a package is held back and causes a library mismatch basically |
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| 10:12.26 | wols | *troytroy: |
| 10:12.27 | xingu | Bogaurd: see smarctl(8) -o/--offlineauto option. |
| 10:12.52 | Bogaurd | thanks xingu :) |
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| 10:13.04 | xingu | wols: check the path to the binary, that's no freeware; glibc2.0 is ancient. |
| 10:13.07 | kmarcroft_ | Where can I read up on options like this "-o APT::Get::Show-Upgraded=true"? Online Docs prefered. |
| 10:13.15 | troytroy | <wols> troytroy: you have a package held back |
| 10:14.02 | wols | xingu: the error often happens when you install a sid package in testing or run dtesting and have some old library somehwre due to nopt upgraded (held back( etc |
| 10:14.27 | troytroy | hmm am confused |
| 10:14.29 | xingu | Wolfete: utm is a commercial isp billing system |
| 10:14.34 | troytroy | which is which |
| 10:14.38 | xingu | s/Wolfete/wols/ |
| 10:14.50 | xingu | wols: widely stolen, I might add. |
| 10:14.51 | troytroy | xingu yes |
| 10:15.08 | xingu | wols: it needs a recompile/ relink |
| 10:15.11 | wols | troytroy: I assumed it was proper software. not some old ass proprietary shit |
| 10:15.19 | wols | in your case: remove the closed source :) |
| 10:15.31 | yang | is there an option with tar to only "list" the archive and not to extract it? |
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| 10:15.58 | troytroy | xingu any other solution other than raising support |
| 10:16.49 | qubits | im left with one last error |
| 10:16.50 | qubits | ath_pci: Unknown symbol ieee80211_rate_attach |
| 10:16.52 | jetscreamer | no tar --list just wouldn't work |
| 10:16.58 | bzed | yang: use t instead of x |
| 10:17.00 | jetscreamer | man tar would suck too |
| 10:17.01 | qubits | am i missing a module |
| 10:17.15 | jetscreamer | -t, --list list the contents of an archive |
| 10:17.31 | qubits | damn |
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| 10:17.41 | qubits | should i just recompile a new kernel using my current gcc |
| 10:17.47 | qubits | then install my wireless drivers |
| 10:17.48 | jetscreamer | why not |
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| 10:18.06 | qubits | how do i take care to ensure i have all the other support i currently have |
| 10:18.09 | wols | qubits: you should install edbian |
| 10:18.11 | qubits | what do i make a checklist from |
| 10:18.11 | wols | *debian |
| 10:18.13 | bzed | qubits: why don't you just use module-assistant to install the drivers which are shipped by debian? |
| 10:18.19 | troytroy | xingu any other solution other than raising support |
| 10:18.21 | qubits | i dont have the bandwidth right now |
| 10:18.29 | wols | bzed: he runs kanotix... |
| 10:18.29 | xingu | troytroy: not if you want to run current stable; if you feel like reinstalling sarge or prior, and being locked into that operating environment, go right ahead |
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| 10:18.42 | wols | troytroy: chroot or VM |
| 10:18.50 | bzed | wols: aaah |
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| 10:19.29 | bzed | wols: then I guess qubits just doesn't want to listen and learn that this is the wrong place |
| 10:19.54 | qubits | where else besides #kanotix do you recommended for help |
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| 10:20.17 | xingu | actually I suspect he'll need a glibc 2.2.5 distro |
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| 10:20.45 | jetscreamer | i successfully dist-upgraded kanotix to sid once... borked it out about 2 or 3 times |
| 10:20.46 | troytroy | xingu its basically a hotspot gateway |
| 10:21.02 | wols | bzed: he doesn't. he ignores evreyone telling him about kanotix until he gets the answer he wants. spamming the channel forever |
| 10:21.29 | jetscreamer | kanotix.com/files |
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| 10:21.33 | wols | qubits: what we actually recommend is installing debian. that's all we can recommend |
| 10:21.41 | qubits | nice |
| 10:21.58 | wols | troytroy: you should stop msging other people foremost |
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| 10:22.15 | wols | and giving other users remote access to your box, root even, is about the stupidest idea you can think of |
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| 10:22.44 | jetscreamer | just set root's pw to null, somebody will log on soon... |
| 10:23.29 | yure | :) |
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| 10:24.18 | troytroy | wols wow thats a hell of spanking :) |
| 10:24.35 | jetscreamer | how kinky |
| 10:24.52 | jetscreamer | !seen mwilson |
| 10:24.53 | dpkg | mwilson <i=8SaUcgh2@ip70-179-43-17.sd.sd.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 579d 13h 18m 13s ago, saying: 'liam: Why use nvagp over the kernel AGP driver?'. |
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| 10:29.19 | jetscreamer | !worship trent |
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| 10:29.49 | xingu | wols: actually just to add insult to injury etch's glibc2.3.6 sill has glibc 2.0 abi compatibility |
| 10:29.56 | xingu | wols: so he's obviously running sid |
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| 10:30.25 | MegaR0M | !worship evil_dick |
| 10:30.32 | MegaR0M | lol |
| 10:30.37 | xingu | wols: sid, and binary only warez - what a combo |
| 10:30.38 | JosefAssad | oh dear... |
| 10:30.42 | jetscreamer | oh... and there's a new gcc in sid.. is that why my compiled kernels die? |
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| 10:31.18 | xingu | jetscreamer: it's not a good idea to compile modules with a different gcc than that used for your kernel, if that's your question |
| 10:31.22 | jetscreamer | same config |
| 10:31.38 | jetscreamer | no i did a make-kpkg kernel_image |
| 10:31.46 | jetscreamer | and the result sucks |
| 10:31.59 | xingu | pebkac |
| 10:32.03 | jetscreamer | i have never had such a thing |
| 10:32.05 | simonrvn | and you know this stuff too, jet |
| 10:32.25 | jetscreamer | i've compiled for a couple years or so |
| 10:32.38 | jetscreamer | it's just the 2.6.21 |
| 10:32.43 | jetscreamer | the .20's work fine |
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| 10:32.59 | xingu | there's things which are gcc's fault, but sid, 2.6.21, and gross failures aren't one of them |
| 10:33.04 | jetscreamer | i could try a new .20 and see if it's the new gcc i guess |
| 10:33.18 | simonrvn | 2.6.21.x even gave me a fricking jfs bug to deal with... signal was SIGTRAP, so i thought nothing of it... then the box locked up hard |
| 10:33.26 | jetscreamer | i use jfs also |
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| 10:33.30 | simonrvn | about 3-4 hours later |
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| 10:33.36 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 10:33.53 | xingu | Linux version 2.6.21.1 (root@blanketyblank) (gcc version 4.1.3 20070429 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-6)) #1 SMP PREEMPT Sat May 12 19:35:01 BST 2007 |
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| 10:34.07 | simonrvn | hehe blanketyblank |
| 10:34.08 | jetscreamer | 2.6.20.001 |
| 10:34.11 | simonrvn | cute |
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| 10:34.41 | simonrvn | BST? |
| 10:34.57 | jetscreamer | bohemia? :) |
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| 10:35.00 | xingu | yeah, it's my workstation |
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| 10:35.30 | simonrvn | !bst |
| 10:35.49 | simonrvn | anyway, later people |
| 10:36.01 | JosefAssad | erm. Does anyone have any suggestions for a sendmail client/replacement which can queue unsent mail (a la sylpheed) and which can handle multiple smarthosts? |
| 10:36.06 | wols | british standard time? |
| 10:36.18 | xingu | summer |
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| 10:37.54 | bzed | JosefAssad: sounds more like you wanna configure your MTA to handle this stuff |
| 10:38.30 | bzed | JosefAssad: or if you want to use several mail accounts, use thunderbird |
| 10:38.42 | JosefAssad | bzed: that could be. I was hoping to avoid having to learn a large MTA though. I know postfix will do multiple smarthosts for example, but I don't want to spend the next 5 days learning the whole thing |
| 10:38.44 | bzed | JosefAssad: called icedove in debian |
| 10:38.44 | xingu | but not icedove in sid today. :) |
| 10:39.19 | JosefAssad | bzed: the idea is, I want to split my mail store off from the client :) I use evolution right now, but am dying to go back to dovecot-imaps and fetchmail and procmail and so on. |
| 10:39.52 | xingu | bzed: nb http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=425061 |
| 10:39.55 | bzed | JosefAssad: with icedove you can specify your smtp servers by the email address you're using as fro: address |
| 10:40.01 | JosefAssad | the only bit in my mail toolchain I am missing now if that MTA which can queue and handle picking smarthost based on the From: field. |
| 10:40.39 | bzed | JosefAssad: exim and postfix can, if you configure them in the right way |
| 10:40.48 | bzed | JosefAssad: check postfix' transport maps |
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| 10:41.08 | JosefAssad | bzed: yes, but the problem with that is I'd have to configure the smtp for all the MUAs individually. And I'd also have to armtwist all the MUAs to drop sent mail in the smae place. Besides, tbird uses mbox. I am settled on using MH or maildir instead. |
| 10:41.23 | JosefAssad | bzed: okay, i'll look that that part of postfix. Thanks! |
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| 10:42.01 | wols | JosefAssad: do you need a mailer that queses mail and only sends when there is an actualy internet connection? |
| 10:42.33 | JosefAssad | wols: Ideally, yes. |
| 10:42.38 | JosefAssad | wols: masqmail doesn't queue, and this other small MTA (forgot which) doesn't handle multiple smarthosts |
| 10:42.40 | wols | then postfix is not suited for that |
| 10:42.48 | wols | simplemail? nullmailer? |
| 10:43.10 | wols | ssmtp? |
| 10:43.16 | bzed | wols: uh!? postfix should be able to do that, too |
| 10:43.16 | JosefAssad | wols: possibly. I have looked at all those at one point or another, but am specifically reviewing nullmailer again as we speak |
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| 10:43.44 | wols | btw: hosts like gmail allow you to send mail for whatever domain you want |
| 10:43.49 | bzed | wols: and it works with exim definitely |
| 10:43.51 | JosefAssad | I think bzed is right. There was a part in the postfix guide about dialup machines, which fits the bill. But it'ß bloody complicated; overkill, almost |
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| 10:43.55 | wols | that's how smarthosts suppoed to work. no need to have several |
| 10:44.04 | wols | bzed: the queuing? |
| 10:44.09 | bzed | wols: yes |
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| 10:44.35 | JosefAssad | wols: good thinking. That avenue hadn't occurred to me. One smarthost should be enough. |
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| 10:44.54 | wols | ok. postfix can too: http://www.postfix.org/faq.html#dialup |
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| 10:45.14 | bzed | wols: as soon as anybody is using SPF you're ust fucked if you try to send all your mail via gemail |
| 10:45.15 | xelfium | guys, is anyone know what happened with debian primary torrent tracker? How long it will be down? |
| 10:45.38 | JosefAssad | Essentially I think my cry for help can be restated as "Dammit I don't want to hve to go through the whole postfix manual and guide just to queue and send mail" |
| 10:45.40 | wols | bzed: smarthosts are so common that SPF cannot work with that scheme then |
| 10:45.43 | wols | good to know |
| 10:46.03 | wols | JosefAssad: mail is a bitch. always |
| 10:46.23 | JosefAssad | wols: I noticed :) |
| 10:46.28 | bzed | wols: no, choosing the right smarthost is the way to do |
| 10:46.51 | wols | bzed: for every mail? depending on from:? |
| 10:46.54 | bzed | wols: and imho a good email provider should not allow to send emails for other domain names then his own |
| 10:47.00 | bzed | wols: yes |
| 10:47.17 | xingu | JosefAssad: it's trivial to recode m4/proto.m4:# not local -- try mailer table lookup ... to use From rather than To address; or indeed, to recurse either. |
| 10:47.17 | wols | bzed: it should. but it should only allow smtpd-auth of course |
| 10:47.31 | JosefAssad | Issue is, using one smarthost may not be the way either. Sometimes, I am forced to use the gmail web interface. If I am relaying through one account, then I might have to view received mails on acct. A but log out and into acct. B to see my replies. |
| 10:47.34 | xingu | JosefAssad: using sendmail, that is. |
| 10:47.35 | wols | !spank xingu |
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| 10:47.52 | wols | people who look for "simple", you don't tell to use sendmail |
| 10:47.53 | psnl | xelfium: I've passed on the news, hadn't heard anything before now. |
| 10:47.54 | xingu | ooh matron |
| 10:48.02 | psnl | xelfium: what sort of error do you have? |
| 10:48.04 | styx_tdo | dondelelcaro *sigh* xen: i don't get console and IP doesn't work either |
| 10:48.06 | bzed | wols: imho it should not. if anybody is using other mail accounts, they should use their ressources, too |
| 10:48.24 | xingu | wols: people who look for simple, I keep away from postmaster@ with a cattle prod or taser. |
| 10:48.27 | JosefAssad | xingu: In the eight years I have used Linux, no one has ever recommended that I use sendmail before. You, sir, deserve a Godwin invocation in response! :) |
| 10:48.32 | styx_tdo | dondelelcaro udev is here, at least |
| 10:48.45 | wols | bzed: I run you own little domain. but since I'm in a dialup rnage, of course I need a smarthost |
| 10:48.48 | xelfium | psnl: http://bttracker.acc.umu.se:6969/announce is down for second day |
| 10:48.54 | liable | why do I have to export CC every time? |
| 10:49.03 | xingu | JosefAssad: it's simple, it's portable, it's available everywhere, and it keeps on keeping on; what's not to like? |
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| 10:49.09 | wols | and if you disallow people to send mail from their personal machines you break the end 2 end paradigm even more horribly |
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| 10:49.26 | dondelelcaro | styx_tdo: what is the output now? |
| 10:49.28 | psnl | xelfium: ta |
| 10:49.30 | wols | liable: ls -al (usr/bin/cc |
| 10:49.47 | JosefAssad | xingu: I think sendmail is simple like vim is simple. After 3 years. |
| 10:49.52 | styx_tdo | dondelelcaro last line is "Starting periodic command scheduler: crond." - after that, it should show "login: |
| 10:49.58 | bzed | wols: your mail won't be accepted from all domains using spf at least (in case your domains use it, too) |
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| 10:50.00 | xelfium | psnl: I've downloaded about 80% of three dvds and now it stops( |
| 10:50.01 | JosefAssad | which reminds me, need to install vim-python |
| 10:50.10 | wols | bzed: that means SPF is broken |
| 10:50.19 | bzed | wols: no, that's how spf works |
| 10:50.25 | psnl | xelfium: ouch. |
| 10:50.32 | liable | wols: link doesnt exist |
| 10:50.54 | bzed | wols: it defines a list of hosts which are allowed to send emails with from: addresses of the domain |
| 10:51.08 | JosefAssad | okay, so the verdict is, postfix can queue and use multiple smarthosts based on From: field, so I need to piss off for a few weeks and RTFM. Is that about the size of it as matters stand? |
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| 10:51.38 | wols | bzed: I know (sorta) how it works, but if this is its effect, it is broken |
| 10:51.42 | psnl | xelfium: sorry. I'll say if I hear anything useful. |
| 10:51.49 | wols | cause then pretty much all smarthosts will break |
| 10:52.03 | Vinegaroon | When I run vrms it lists the nvidia driver, but according to apt-get it isn't installed.. |
| 10:52.04 | yang | How is this sharing on my cable modem done ? When I upload things I only get 10% of the downloading speed. when I don't upload i get 100% download. |
| 10:52.05 | xelfium | psnl: ok, ty |
| 10:52.08 | wols | liable: it's a Link to /etc/alternatives/cc |
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| 10:52.14 | xingu | JosefAssad: a mere six lines or so of proto.m4 ;) c'mon, it'll put hair on your chest. |
| 10:52.22 | wols | Vinegaroon: what is vrms? |
| 10:52.32 | bzed | wols: spf is broken for several reasons imho, but this is not one of them. you should just use the right smarthost for your domains, it's easy |
| 10:52.35 | liable | wols: ya, my alternatives are all screwed, vim doesnt work either |
| 10:52.40 | Vinegaroon | It tells you if you have any non-free software installed |
| 10:52.47 | wols | bzed: I can't have such a smarthosts! |
| 10:52.54 | bzed | wols: exim, postfix and sendmail can all handle it |
| 10:52.56 | JosefAssad | xingu: dude, I just got back from Beirut, where our office is literally ten meters from the hizbullah main camp! I got so much hair on my chest I look like the Amazon jungle |
| 10:52.59 | wols | bzed: there can't be one for my domain |
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| 10:53.44 | wols | Vinegaroon: dpkg -l |grep nvidia |
| 10:53.52 | wols | paste its output (in a pastebin!) |
| 10:54.00 | bzed | wols: if you have a fixed IP, that's not a problem, as the originating IP address would be listed in the spf record then |
| 10:54.15 | wols | bzed: it's not fixed :) |
| 10:54.29 | styx_tdo | dondelelcaro the domU syslog and everything looks OK.. |
| 10:54.30 | xingu | wols: nsupdate. :) |
| 10:54.55 | Vinegaroon | http://pastebin.ca/498369 |
| 10:55.04 | bzed | wols: that makes things complicated ;) |
| 10:55.11 | wols | bzed: but we both know, neither SPF or any such thing will be adopted anytime soon :) |
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| 10:55.31 | cydork | liable: http://cydork.mine.nu/~vihang/debgoogle.png :) |
| 10:55.36 | bzed | wols: a lot of domains use it, or at least use it as spamassasin plugin |
| 10:55.49 | wols | Vinegaroon: vrms is lying. it once was installed but not anymre. and its config files are still there |
| 10:56.00 | Vinegaroon | I see |
| 10:56.28 | wols | rc means: removed (the package), c means "config files still exist" |
| 10:56.44 | Vinegaroon | Is there an easy way to remove them? |
| 10:56.49 | xingu | spf isn't much help for disconnected relays |
| 10:56.51 | wols | !tell Vinegaroon about purge |
| 10:57.06 | styx_tdo | !tell styx_tdo about purge |
| 10:57.27 | xingu | doesn't deal too well with x25 addressing either |
| 10:57.32 | liable | cydork: heh, did you doctor that or ?? |
| 10:58.01 | wols | !tell styx_tdo about selftell |
| 10:58.03 | cydork | liable: nope, it's google coop. want to subscribe? :P |
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| 10:58.25 | liable | cydork: whats google coop? |
| 10:58.48 | wols | liable: google it |
| 10:58.49 | styx_tdo | wols ;) thankee, now i know who the bot is it's getting easier ;) |
| 10:58.54 | robin_sz | its googles virtual, net distributed, chicken house facility |
| 10:59.01 | bzed | xingu: is SPF not based on some ideas by microsoft? |
| 10:59.04 | liable | wols: dont make me type stuff! |
| 10:59.09 | wols | robin_sz: they killed all the pigeons? |
| 10:59.12 | styx_tdo | bzed no that was sender-id |
| 10:59.15 | styx_tdo | IIRC |
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| 10:59.59 | bzed | styx_tdo: that one, definitely |
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| 11:00.01 | cydork | liable: have a google account? http://google.com/coop/trust/add?user=015912627600467961994&sig=__SJI5QF1WgLKDpqOdAwjqCP9tk_w= |
| 11:00.02 | wols | bzed: SPF was first then came MS with a slightly different/umproved scheme named sender id |
| 11:00.05 | robin_sz | wols, avian carriers, if you dont mind |
| 11:00.06 | wols | and took out patents on it |
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| 11:00.31 | bzed | xingu: I've used it for some time, but it didn't make much difference to the amount of spam I've received, so I've dropped it again because of it's not so nice features |
| 11:00.33 | wols | robin_sz: I do mind cause it's pigions. the RFC was about avian carrier |
| 11:00.52 | xingu | bzed: indeed; questionable benefit, measurable fragility |
| 11:01.03 | liable | cydork: i try and limit very much the things i do with google :) i am not paranoid, i just dont trust someone with as much data as they have |
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| 11:01.14 | styx_tdo | bzed it's a service for others, not for you prinarily |
| 11:01.34 | wols | liable: cookie randomization,etc |
| 11:01.45 | styx_tdo | bzed if everyone would deploy spf, there would be waaay more cash in domain sales ;) |
| 11:01.51 | DevilChaos | i am disapointed with ubuntu its no way as good as debian might be more up to date but usage is guff |
| 11:01.51 | wols | styx_tdo: depends how he used it |
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| 11:01.54 | xingu | bzed: I'm enough of a loon to state that email itself is the problem; the use-case of email is a curious hybrid, instant messanging with a wiki for persistance |
| 11:01.59 | cydork | liable: heh get customizegoogle then :P |
| 11:02.00 | bzed | xingu: if you get rid of all senders which are not identifying themself in a correct way, have broken dns records and so on, you can reject most of the spam allready |
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| 11:02.12 | xingu | bzed: a jabber<->wiki gateway is a better fit to the problem it turns out |
| 11:02.19 | xingu | bzed: and doesn't have spam as a byproduct. |
| 11:02.24 | wols | styx_tdo: netowrk solutions is the least entity that needs a service by me.... |
| 11:02.25 | robin_sz | bzed, nonsense |
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| 11:02.39 | bzed | robin_sz: no, not nonsense |
| 11:02.49 | robin_sz | utter nonsense |
| 11:02.59 | styx_tdo | bzed but this will be countered fast. then the spammers will just reg domains and make them SPFy and we're back to step one. (i am for spf, just for the record) |
| 11:03.25 | robin_sz | if everyone filtered on broken DNS blah blah blah, then the spammers would just get better at dns and blah blah blah |
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| 11:03.33 | bzed | styx_tdo: that's why a lot of people are allready rating domains which are using spf as spam |
| 11:03.38 | styx_tdo | wols no, spf helps others insofar that you don't give your valid domain(s) away as spam source. |
| 11:03.49 | xingu | styx_tdo: or escalate to packet flooding legitimate authoritative ns's off the face of the planet while doing their spam runs |
| 11:04.21 | bzed | robin_sz: they can't as a lot of the spam originates from botnets, and the hosts in there often can't identify themselves corretly |
| 11:04.21 | xingu | imagine, every spammer on the planet suddenly interested in tearing your authoritative ns a new one |
| 11:04.23 | wols | xingu: simply register a domain with the 5 day "trial period that happens to have a working SPF) |
| 11:04.26 | xingu | wouldn't that be annoying |
| 11:04.26 | cydork | liable: you can test it here http://google.com/coop/profile?user=015912627600467961994 |
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| 11:05.02 | styx_tdo | bzed that's new info for me.. GMX does it, IIRC.. and xingu, normally my mailservers check the source domain anyway, and the result is cached, so...? |
| 11:05.06 | robin_sz | bzed, any host can identify itself correctly if it really really wants to |
| 11:05.11 | dondelelcaro | about the only thing SPF is useful for is preventing joejobs; it has nothing to do with preventing spam itself. |
| 11:05.18 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'pam_loginuid' returned no results. |
| 11:05.18 | wols | bzed: a botnet spammer can use the default email client (lookout) and its default MTA |
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| 11:05.49 | robin_sz | wols, exactly |
| 11:05.55 | bzed | robin_sz: you still need to send a correct HELO, and if I look at our mail statistics a lot fo spam fails to do so |
| 11:05.56 | xingu | as I said, the problem isn't spam, it's that email is a (very) poor approximation of the requirement spec. |
| 11:06.12 | robin_sz | bzed you didnt read what I wrote |
| 11:06.15 | robin_sz | if everyone filtered on broken DNS blah blah blah, then the spammers would just get better at dns and blah blah blah |
| 11:06.37 | robin_sz | if doing a correct helo becomes an issue, they'll do it |
| 11:07.02 | styx_tdo | robin_sz yep.. that's back to step one. next thing we'll have to call the sysadmin of the receiving server to announce an email :) |
| 11:07.10 | bzed | robin_sz: sure, but until they are, this just works well and is done by most emails providers |
| 11:07.17 | xingu | and if attacking dns is the weakest link, they'll do that, too. |
| 11:07.28 | robin_sz | styx_tdo, exactly ... in other words, spam is hard to stop |
| 11:07.40 | wols | xingu: DNSSEC |
| 11:07.47 | bzed | robin_sz: most spammers don't follow the RFC strictly, as they want to send email fast. |
| 11:07.58 | robin_sz | if everyone filtered on broken DNS blah blah blah, then the spammers would just get better at dns and blah blah blah |
| 11:08.01 | liable | cydork: nifty. that should get your server a work out ;) |
| 11:08.03 | wols | xingu: huh? |
| 11:08.11 | styx_tdo | xingu i still don't get the DNS thing... my server 4xx a message if DNS is unavailable? |
| 11:08.20 | robin_sz | bzed, which bit of "evolve" dotn you understand? |
| 11:08.37 | xingu | styx_tdo: then you'll have a whole lot of collatoral damage when dns becomes the weakest link in the spam-over-email delivery chain. |
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| 11:09.02 | cydork | liable: heh.. most of the work is done by google on this one i just have serve some valid xml :P |
| 11:09.03 | py__ | hello |
| 11:09.04 | wols | xingu: why the flag? |
| 11:09.11 | xingu | styx_tdo: and I'm not talking for you as a reciever; I'm talking you as someone a spammer will impersonate, by disrupting the ns primaries of. |
| 11:09.13 | robin_sz | bzed, if following the RFCs becomes an issue for spam blocking, thats what they'll do |
| 11:09.19 | py__ | how can I change my wifi card from 802.11a to 802.11b/g mode? It supports both, but is in 802.11a mode atm |
| 11:09.23 | bzed | robin_sz: you're repeating yourself. so tell me how a spammer should figure out the right helo to use if he's sitting behind a router. he'd need to make some test connection to his own server which needs to lookup the address to use then, which will be invalidated as soon as the router reconnetec |
| 11:09.28 | xingu | wols: key rotation for dnssec makes the whole thing a bigger joke than md5 bgp. |
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| 11:09.55 | wols | xingu: what key rotation? |
| 11:10.21 | xingu | wols: the key rotation that you need to entertain the possibility of before you can use dnssec as a tool to establish a trust web. |
| 11:10.40 | styx_tdo | xingu DNS has a base principle of caching... so the impact is not that massive, in my experience |
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| 11:10.58 | wols | xingu: isn't dnssec PKI which publically trusted root certs by the root servers? |
| 11:11.18 | robin_sz | bzed, test connection to either his own, or some other client in the botnet. as for "when the router reconnects" ... mine statys up for months at a time ... |
| 11:11.20 | xingu | wols: and when the roots want to rotate their signing key you need to have a flag day |
| 11:11.37 | xingu | wols: and dns is hideously balkanised from an administrative standpoint |
| 11:11.48 | robin_sz | bzed, rememebr almost all the bots are MANAGED bots. its not called a net for nothing, they ALWAYS have a connection back to the mother ship |
| 11:11.51 | wols | xingu: why do they want to change their keys? |
| 11:12.13 | bzed | robin_sz: sure, but obviously they're not managed very well |
| 11:12.16 | xingu | wols: because the five rupee an hour contractor to one just stole it? |
| 11:12.20 | wols | robin_sz: they all do. othewise it's not usabe as a spambot: where to get addresses and the content of the mail? |
| 11:12.32 | robin_sz | wols, exactly |
| 11:12.48 | robin_sz | bzed, trust me, if it becomes an issue, they will acheive it. |
| 11:13.12 | wols | xingu: why? the registry (hopefully) keeps their key secure just as the normal CA (like verisign aka network solutions) already does? |
| 11:13.18 | styx_tdo | dondelelcaro i msgd you |
| 11:13.26 | xingu | wols: you think the mpaa has issues with dvd signing keys, you ain't seen nothing yet. |
| 11:13.31 | bzed | robin_sz: If I look at my personal mailbox I can live with the few spam mails which are still coming trough. I receive about 3000 mails per week, and 150 of them are spam, and more than 3000 connections are rejected per week |
| 11:13.33 | styx_tdo | wols you talk about verisign... no comment. |
| 11:13.37 | wols | xingu: so why would a 5 rupee indian need the key in the first palce? |
| 11:14.06 | bzed | robin_sz: until they've figured out how to do so I'm sure that there's another way to stop them |
| 11:14.10 | xingu | wols: ok, lets deploy a system which is doomed the minute a signing key is leaked |
| 11:14.10 | wols | styx_tdo: I know it's hard, but considering you trust them everytime you buy a book at amazon or any other place on the web? |
| 11:14.12 | styx_tdo | wols to sell it for 50000 rupees? |
| 11:14.13 | robin_sz | bzed, fine, it works for you ,... if EVERYONE did that, well, the spammers would just evolve around the problem. be happy in your niche, while it lasts |
| 11:14.23 | xingu | wols: and then lets see how quickly a spammer obtains a signing key |
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| 11:14.32 | wols | xingu: that's how your browsers certs work |
| 11:14.36 | bzed | robin_sz: that's something which is done by every large email provider |
| 11:14.38 | nir | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:14.42 | xingu | what, poorly? :) |
| 11:14.43 | styx_tdo | wols i know - but i do not trust amazon either, for that matter |
| 11:14.51 | bzed | robin_sz: at least the large one here |
| 11:14.59 | robin_sz | bzed, great, that means there is no spam, problem solved. we can all relax |
| 11:15.00 | wols | xingu: and there the possible gains for a spammer or scammer is MUCH higher than with DNS |
| 11:15.07 | xingu | .... |
| 11:15.12 | xingu | "I agree" |
| 11:15.29 | xingu | anyway, this is all quite snoozeworthy and OT even for a sunday |
| 11:15.42 | wols | xingu: so why would the spammer subvert DNS if he can gain a lot more by subverting TLS instead for the same effort and risk? |
| 11:16.05 | xingu | wols: a spammer will attack the weakest link; spf makes dns a weak link. |
| 11:16.12 | claudio` | Hey guys, i have a problem with my firewall: i DROP all input packets and allow only thats i need. Everything works properly (also the web conference with aMSN into the laptop -.-) but from the gateway i can't use the DCC send. I've tried to set the irssi' dcc_port to 20000 and enable the input/output to the 20000 with iptables but still doesn't work. Does anyone have an idea of how to fix this problem? |
| 11:16.18 | xingu | wols: that thought irks me |
| 11:16.24 | styx_tdo | actually, the root cause for spammers to be efficient it not a technical one, anyway. it's weird ppl who actually fall for the spam... the base principle against spam should not be a technical, but a social one |
| 11:16.41 | xingu | wols: it also doesn't really address the problem - which is - that flicking postits at people in order to communicate is frankly rubbish. |
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| 11:17.01 | wols | claudio`: is irssi actually using port 20000? |
| 11:17.20 | claudio` | wols: not anymore but i can set it |
| 11:17.34 | wols | claudio`: huh? |
| 11:17.41 | wols | I didn't ask what you set it to. I asked what it does |
| 11:17.52 | claudio` | wols: if i set dcc_port to 20000 it use the 20000 |
| 11:17.52 | claudio` | yes. |
| 11:17.55 | styx_tdo | dondelelcaro are you still reading? |
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| 11:18.16 | xingu | in fact, email has an even lower information density than a post-it; at least it's easier to hand-write a post-it than print one, meaning that you have some idea as to message originator. |
| 11:18.24 | robin_sz | styx_tdo, most people on here ignore priv msgs as a policy |
| 11:18.43 | styx_tdo | *sigh* |
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| 11:19.40 | styx_tdo | i am fighting Xen since 2 months now... and i am getting desperate. anyone an idea where a cooplerative xen guru is reachable on IRC? |
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| 11:20.22 | claudio` | styx_tdo: probably on #netbsd which there is the developers of the Xen port on NetBSD |
| 11:20.30 | claudio` | s/is/are |
| 11:20.34 | xingu | claudio`: your self enforced fragility has broken dcc; dcc is as the name suggests client-to-client; which means that your choke point must inspect the application flow (irc protocol) between client and irc server in order to create state for an expected client-to-client connection. |
| 11:21.13 | xingu | claudio`: you may find that there's an iptables conntrack helper module for this |
| 11:21.18 | styx_tdo | xen is virtualization SW to split one server into virtual ones. one can even take a whole envionmen includin IP and so on and simply move it to another machine |
| 11:21.49 | cbr | please, someone go to http://www.postimees.ee and tell me whether your Iceweasel crashes |
| 11:21.50 | claudio` | xingu: can you point me to some URL/Howto? |
| 11:21.55 | cbr | mine does for some reason.. every single time |
| 11:22.21 | cast | isn't there a xen channel? |
| 11:22.27 | cydork | styx_tdo: you tried #xen? |
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| 11:22.40 | styx_tdo | cydork yep, for some weeks.. |
| 11:22.45 | claudio` | xingu: THX anyway |
| 11:22.57 | cast | cbr: loads fine. do i get a free virus? |
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| 11:23.09 | cbr | cast: no, it's a newspaper |
| 11:23.19 | cbr | cast: crashes for me :S |
| 11:23.33 | cast | cbr: clear your cookies? :\ |
| 11:23.41 | MarcoPau | hello, in the xmms preferences I see alsa and the correct device, the volumes are up, but there's no sound |
| 11:24.12 | wols | nabziF: are you in the audio group? |
| 11:24.22 | wols | MarcoPau: |
| 11:24.35 | cbr | doesnt help |
| 11:24.37 | MarcoPau | wols: you're right, let me check |
| 11:24.42 | claudio` | xingu: are you talking about ip_conntrack? |
| 11:24.56 | wols | MarcoPau: start xmms in a xterm. check if it spits out any errorys in that xterm |
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| 11:25.09 | MarcoPau | anyway yes, already in the audio group |
| 11:25.10 | cbr | it tells me 'Segmentation fault' in the console |
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| 11:25.41 | MarcoPau | Message: device: default |
| 11:25.45 | MarcoPau | this is the only thing |
| 11:26.07 | wols | MarcoPau: do other audio programs work? |
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| 11:26.25 | wykis | Hello, when you are using a webcam, how can you adjust all light levels etc.? |
| 11:27.07 | styx_tdo | is there anyone successfully using xen3 willing to help me with beginner problems? i bootstrapped and tried ready images from jailtime, too... but nothing works. i'd like to compare configs |
| 11:27.27 | killerstorm | helo. i need to create a [unsecure] network tunnel between two servers, what is the best option? afaik PPTP is not native on Linux. i've read about GRE, but how to configure it under Debian? |
| 11:27.45 | MarcoPau | wols: no |
| 11:27.59 | bzed | killerstorm: why not use ssh and it's new tunneling functions? |
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| 11:29.14 | cast | well he said unsecure network tunnel so maybe he doesn't want the cpu overhead of encryption, and afaik openssh deb isn't compiled with the null cipher [well, not that i've noticed] |
| 11:29.16 | killerstorm | bzed: i need to tunnel some range of ports on remote server, both tcp and udp, afaik it's not easy to configure ssh to do this.. |
| 11:29.31 | cast | killerstorm: openvpn is pretty good :) |
| 11:29.41 | MarcoPau | wols: tried mpg123, skype, mplayer... al mute |
| 11:30.02 | styx_tdo | killerstorm vtund? |
| 11:30.08 | cast | killerstorm: its probably a silly suggestion and theres probably better way :> |
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| 11:30.43 | bzed | killerstorm: ssh provides some kind of vpn since the last major version, never tried to set it up, though - but it doesn't look too complicated. you could just use openvpn, though |
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| 11:30.54 | styx_tdo | killerstorm VTun is the easiest way to create Virtual Tunnels over TCP/IP networks |
| 11:30.54 | styx_tdo | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:31.14 | styx_tdo | killerstorm says the package description :) - works not over NAT |
| 11:32.00 | xingu | killerstorm: I'd have to agree, an overlay ipsec or vtun tunnel between servers hits your requirement most squarely |
| 11:32.41 | xingu | killerstorm: I'd probably also advise you to run a routing protocol over the tunnel also; but that's more reading and legwork. |
| 11:32.44 | phretor | should I also install hotplug along with the udev package? |
| 11:32.49 | xingu | killerstorm: one day you'll thank me if you do, though. |
| 11:33.23 | killerstorm | what's about this: http://www.linux.com/howtos/Adv-Routing-HOWTO/lartc.tunnel.gre.shtml ? i don't find "ip" command available, am i missing something? |
| 11:33.59 | cydork | killerstorm: yes you are missing iproute package. |
| 11:34.11 | cydork | killerstorm: use this next time /msg dpkg search |
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| 11:34.33 | killerstorm | ok, thanks |
| 11:34.39 | xingu | killerstorm: they're basic gre tunnels |
| 11:35.21 | phretor | how do I blacklist a module with udev? |
| 11:35.23 | MarcoPau | wols: you have any more hints? |
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| 11:35.47 | xingu | killerstorm: I've used them before and they'll do the job modulo pmtu issues; but it's still a better idea to use ipsec or vtun and it's easy enough to configure... |
| 11:35.49 | liable | phretor: /msg dpkg blacklist |
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| 11:41.44 | barravince | !italy |
| 11:41.44 | dpkg | hmm... italy is the county where people eat spaghetti and pizza all day. They have a pope, too, I think. |
| 11:41.59 | barravince | dpkg |
| 11:42.03 | barravince | dpkg k |
| 11:42.03 | dpkg | It's OK. OK stands for Zero Killed. If you keep on saying k, there won't be zero killed for much longer. |
| 11:42.11 | cammoblammo | !australia |
| 11:42.11 | dpkg | [australia] known to be the ass end of the world, but we spell it 'arse', or http://www.satirewire.com/news/jan02/australia.shtml |
| 11:42.14 | barravince | dpkg pink floyd |
| 11:42.14 | dpkg | Information about Pink Floyd is divided into "early floyd," "middle floyd," "late floyd," and "current floyd." Please ask about one of these |
| 11:42.36 | barravince | dpkg debian |
| 11:42.37 | dpkg | somebody said debian was http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 11:42.48 | barravince | dpkg suse |
| 11:42.48 | dpkg | i heard suse is a linux distribution that can be found at http://www.suse.com, or german, open source, *nix. . . you do the math. the root of all that is wrong and evil, or #suse, or see http://www.omahns-home.co.uk/downloads/sles9.png |
| 11:43.31 | cast | barravince: /msg dpkg yo |
| 11:43.31 | barravince | dpkg ubuntu |
| 11:43.32 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 11:43.43 | styx_tdo | dpkg rock |
| 11:43.44 | dpkg | it has been said that rock is dead! |
| 11:43.58 | barravince | thanks cast |
| 11:44.23 | styx_tdo | there's no rock linux? |
| 11:44.48 | Ronin | barravince: try /msg dpkg |
| 11:45.04 | omri | is there asterisk 1.4.x for etch? |
| 11:45.13 | cast | omri: packages.debian.org |
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| 11:45.29 | omri | I've checked there. it's for unstable |
| 11:45.35 | omri | and it won't install on etch (deps) |
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| 11:45.44 | barravince | rock linux? |
| 11:45.46 | barravince | i've do ronin |
| 11:45.56 | cast | omri: can you do a simple sid backport? ivenever used asterisk so don't know |
| 11:46.25 | wykis | oh come on guys |
| 11:46.43 | wykis | can someone tell me how to record with additional options on webcam? like changing brightness and gamma etc.? |
| 11:46.43 | omri | hmm... how do I do that? |
| 11:47.06 | omri | wykis, what application are you using to record? |
| 11:47.16 | cast | !tell omri about simple sid backport |
| 11:47.24 | wykis | omri: I am using mencoder |
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| 11:47.43 | cast | wykis: read the mencoder manpage, pretty sure you can apply filters |
| 11:47.49 | wykis | omri: are there any other applications to do this? this is urgent, I think crime is gonna happen soon :\ |
| 11:48.08 | wykis | cast: those are filters, but I need to set cam options; I'm using gspca driver |
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| 11:49.04 | triplc | will we have pidgin? or we stay with gaim? |
| 11:49.12 | daya | How can i add the feature such as automatic updates that apper in the panel, what packages do I need to install |
| 11:49.31 | robin_sz | wykis, check out the 'motion' package too, has motion detectio to record when it needs to |
| 11:50.04 | wykis | robin_sz: it records? |
| 11:50.07 | omri | cast, I'm checking now |
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| 11:50.55 | wykis | anybody? |
| 11:51.07 | wykis | can someone tell a good package to quickly set options of a webcam and record? |
| 11:51.25 | robin_sz | wykis, check out the 'motion' package too, has motion detectio to record when it needs to |
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| 11:51.42 | wykis | robin_sz: I just need to record continuously |
| 11:51.59 | robin_sz | very odd |
| 11:52.06 | wykis | there's some config to go through...t here's no time for that |
| 11:54.49 | omri | cast, doesn't really work. I had to upgrade debhelper (use it from unstable); then it complained about some unmet dependencies I couldn't satisfy without upgrading libc6(something I don't want to do) |
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| 11:55.40 | cast | omri: is it a complicated app? could just build it yourself |
| 11:55.49 | omri | asterisk... |
| 11:56.05 | omri | hmm... ok, I might do that. thanks |
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| 11:58.51 | povar | can't install fglrx drivers after upgrade to unstable :( how could i correct this? |
| 11:59.20 | omri | by giving us more information |
| 12:00.12 | povar | fglrx-driver: Depends: xserver-xorg (>= 1:7.1.0) but it is not going to be installed |
| 12:00.29 | povar | i have 7.2 |
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| 12:01.01 | akira__ | Hi, how can I give a user admin privilages to have access to all files? |
| 12:01.27 | liable | povar: fglrx is broken. wait for a new driver |
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| 12:02.47 | styx_tdo | akira why do you want this, for christ's sake? |
| 12:03.26 | povar | liable: hmm.. i can't install newest driver from ati.com |
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| 12:03.42 | akira__ | Because I can't have access to some files and I can't download stuff from the internet. |
| 12:04.22 | liable | povar: i dont think ati have fixed it yet |
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| 12:04.31 | styx_tdo | akira what about su and sudo? |
| 12:06.05 | styx_tdo | akira__ in normal situations, there are files that are only read- and editable by root.. and in 99.999% this has a pretty good reasoning behind it |
| 12:06.27 | liable | povar: just use vesa for now. (i am in the same boat) |
| 12:06.49 | akira__ | But I wana edit stuff too. |
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| 12:07.00 | cast | akira__: so su to root. |
| 12:07.09 | povar | liable: i use radion driver at moment, but why it worked on etch? |
| 12:07.28 | liable | povar: etch doesnt have xorg7.2 |
| 12:07.29 | akira__ | Ok. |
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| 12:09.56 | povar | liable: so problem is in xorg7.2 because 7.2 don\t work with proprietary drivers? |
| 12:10.35 | liable | povar: xorg works fine, its the way the driver detects the xorg version. |
| 12:10.35 | jetscreamer | must be fglrx |
| 12:10.50 | jetscreamer | nvidia works fine |
| 12:10.53 | liable | jetscreamer: you must be psychic! |
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| 12:11.53 | jetscreamer | i should put my 9200 in and mess with it |
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| 12:12.46 | jetscreamer | think i'll go to sleep instead |
| 12:13.15 | povar | liable: :( oh its a pitty... but thnx for help |
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| 12:15.10 | liable | povar: it should be about time for a new driver, they have been releasing them fairly frequently lately |
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| 12:22.45 | abrotman | Eclipser: put half in a box and have it tomorrow |
| 12:23.02 | Eclipser | :) |
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| 12:23.17 | Eclipser | I really should set up my routing and such but I don't feel like it at all |
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| 12:27.14 | joakim | hello. Someone help me. I can't bring myself to shut down my old server for the last time. |
| 12:27.28 | qubits | grab your gat |
| 12:27.31 | joakim | I was able to type shutdown -h, but the now part just is too hard to type. |
| 12:27.32 | qubits | put one in the chamber |
| 12:27.33 | qubits | aim |
| 12:27.33 | joakim | *cries* |
| 12:27.41 | qubits | blow the fan out of your psu |
| 12:27.49 | qubits | let it die a slow painful death |
| 12:27.54 | joakim | It won't die. the fan hasn't worked in like forever |
| 12:27.58 | joakim | there is also no cpu fan |
| 12:28.02 | qubits | try init 0 |
| 12:28.13 | joakim | but it won't die completely then |
| 12:28.17 | abrotman | wtf |
| 12:28.20 | qubits | or alt + sysreq + i |
| 12:28.23 | joakim | it's weird because it still responds to pings ;| |
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| 12:28.50 | joakim | halp. i beg you. |
| 12:28.59 | abrotman | just turn the damn thing .. loser |
| 12:29.00 | qubits | sure |
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| 12:29.02 | abrotman | damn thing off |
| 12:29.03 | qubits | gimme ur login details |
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| 12:31.05 | DerIch | hi |
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| 12:31.54 | DerIch | I have a question. Is Debian unstable very unstable or is it stable enough for a Desktop-PC? |
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| 12:34.29 | Ronin | DerIch: can you fix it when it breaks? quite a few use it as a desktop and it works fine, usually but when sid breaks it tends to break big :) |
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| 12:34.49 | joakim | ahh finally |
| 12:34.56 | qubits | squeeee |
| 12:34.59 | joakim | putty said: "server unexpectedly closed connection" |
| 12:35.06 | qubits | joakim: |
| 12:35.11 | qubits | i got server to crash once |
| 12:35.14 | qubits | er putty |
| 12:35.25 | joakim | --- 192.168.0.4 ping statistics --- |
| 12:35.25 | joakim | 96 packets transmitted, 70 received, 27% packet loss, time 95048ms |
| 12:35.25 | joakim | rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.219/0.335/0.724/0.068 ms |
| 12:35.25 | joakim | joakim@debian:~$ |
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| 12:35.37 | qubits | saved the error too so i can write uberhaxs for it |
| 12:35.57 | DerIch | Ronin: thx |
| 12:36.37 | joakim | what error, show mee ;D |
| 12:36.38 | joakim | hehe |
| 12:36.40 | killerstorm | i've followed advice to use vtun for tunneling.. while it says it's connected, i see odd stuff in ifconfig -- "inet addr: 192.168.31.1 P-t-p: 192.168.31.1" on client, and same s/31.1/31.2/ on server. |
| 12:36.59 | joakim | hmm. no more ping replies. i think it's dead. |
| 12:37.05 | joakim | brb, going to go stab it some more |
| 12:37.09 | killerstorm | vtund.conf has line ifconfig "%% 192.168.31.1 pointtopoint 192.168.31.2"; any ideas? |
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| 12:37.55 | liable | do you have pccarcctl? |
| 12:38.48 | liable | wrong bloody window |
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| 12:39.06 | bartden | how many bytes is one UTF-8 character ? |
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| 12:39.38 | joakim | qubits: finally. dead. it was still probably syncing the disks, but i pulled the plug anyway |
| 12:39.58 | liable | you need to be root to get these commands btw |
| 12:40.05 | liable | fuck |
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| 12:40.12 | qubits | heh |
| 12:40.14 | wols | bartden: at least 1 |
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| 12:40.26 | bartden | whats the maximum size a UTF-8 charachter can have |
| 12:40.32 | joakim | qubits: now i feel like i just killed someone. it's your fault. |
| 12:40.52 | wols | bartden: 4 |
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| 12:41.46 | waspius | hello i have a problem with gnome-screensaver...once i login multiple screens just start opening..i uninstalled it but i now i get an error saying that it cannot find the gnome-screenshot application...any ideas? |
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| 12:44.20 | thegoldenaura_ | i have installed etch 4.0 in a machine with 2xXeon5150, the installer puts the kernel 2.6.18-4-686, but what kernel should i install from the repository to get smp working? |
| 12:44.43 | asg | thegoldenaura_: all etch kernels come with SMP support now |
| 12:45.06 | thegoldenaura_ | asg: so there is no need for kernel 2.6.18-4-686-smp ? |
| 12:45.16 | asg | thegoldenaura_: not on etch, no. |
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| 12:45.40 | asg | thegoldenaura_: grep -c processor /proc/cpuinfo (verify that more than 1 cpu is identified) |
| 12:45.58 | thegoldenaura_ | asg: do i have to config something, or by default it detects the cores? |
| 12:46.09 | asg | thegoldenaura_: it will detect them by default. |
| 12:46.20 | abrotman | or should anyways |
| 12:46.33 | wols | asg: not -486 kernels |
| 12:46.50 | asg | wols: he's talking about -686 kernels though |
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| 12:47.27 | thegoldenaura_ | asg: grep -c processor /proc/cpuinfo gives results 2 |
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| 12:47.39 | asg | thegoldenaura_: then it found two, bravo |
| 12:48.16 | thegoldenaura_ | asg: being dualcore should it be 4 or 2 the correct results ? |
| 12:48.45 | wols | one dualcore CPU means 2 CPUs |
| 12:48.47 | wols | dual = 2 |
| 12:48.59 | abrotman | is it really dualcore .. or HT ? |
| 12:49.01 | wols | so 2 dualcore cpus should mean 4 |
| 12:49.18 | thegoldenaura_ | wols: this machine has 2 cpu dual-core each one |
| 12:49.38 | wols | abrotman: xeon5150 should be woodcrests |
| 12:49.53 | abrotman | isn't that a duck ? |
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| 12:50.50 | thegoldenaura_ | doing a cat cpuinfo i get processor:0 and processor:1 and cpu cores : 2 for each one |
| 12:51.30 | wols | so you do have 4 logical cores as you should |
| 12:51.30 | abrotman | sounds like four to me! |
| 12:51.38 | qubits | damn |
| 12:51.44 | qubits | how many channels am i in |
| 12:51.45 | qubits | anyone? |
| 12:51.46 | Nosf3ratu | bueller? |
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| 12:54.14 | asg | qubits: 8 |
| 12:54.27 | thegoldenaura_ | well, thanks for the support ;) |
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| 12:55.22 | asg | that sounded like a Bartles and James commercial |
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| 12:55.32 | quitte_ | wols: get an irc client wth decent nick completion ;) |
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| 12:57.36 | flyinprogramer | hey guys, i'm tired of compiling things on my gentoo server, so i thought i'd switch over to debian. when i did my gentoo install i used an x86 cd, for debian should i just download the i386 minimal cd? |
| 12:57.50 | quitte_ | yes |
| 12:57.54 | asg | flyinprogramer: or a netinst or business card iso |
| 12:58.04 | flyinprogramer | ok |
| 12:58.05 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 12:58.05 | dpkg | Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 12:58.07 | flyinprogramer | netinst |
| 12:58.11 | XMR2F77 | hi. how do install kde on netboot my guess ( # aptitude install xorg kdm kde-base ) but kde-base wont install , must i install the whole kde...? |
| 12:58.21 | asg | XMR2F77: /msg dpkg install kde |
| 12:58.32 | XMR2F77 | thanx |
| 12:58.36 | abrotman | XMR2F77: i think it's kdebase |
| 12:58.43 | XMR2F77 | oh ok |
| 12:58.51 | quitte_ | flyinprogramer: or if you have windows installed: www.goodbye-microsoft.com saves a cd |
| 12:58.58 | XMR2F77 | thanx |
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| 13:00.15 | flyinprogramer | quitte_: yeah, sorry i'm on a gentoo box |
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| 13:02.22 | quitte_ | flyinprogramer: no need to be sorry. having windows installed is hardly a good thing |
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| 13:02.55 | abrotman | now .. being on a gentoo box .. that's just unacceptable! |
| 13:03.02 | flyinprogramer | i know |
| 13:03.03 | flyinprogramer | !!! |
| 13:03.03 | dpkg | No sóc el teu puto indicador de csh |
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| 13:03.22 | flyinprogramer | if i have to recompile one more thing today i'm going to scream! |
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| 13:03.44 | abrotman | flyinprogramer: oh .. you have to compile the debian installer using MS VC++ |
| 13:03.44 | qubits | debug me |
| 13:03.49 | abrotman | :) |
| 13:03.50 | joakim | i hate segfaults |
| 13:03.56 | flyinprogramer | o |
| 13:04.01 | abrotman | flyinprogramer: i'm joking! |
| 13:04.07 | flyinprogramer | i thought so |
| 13:04.11 | flyinprogramer | ok |
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| 13:04.39 | qubits | I'm an assembly programmer |
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| 13:05.01 | flyinprogramer | abrotman: you have no idea, i'm in Bar Harbor Maine |
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| 13:05.17 | abrotman | flyinprogramer: oh .. yes i do .. my mom lived outside Camden for quite awhile |
| 13:05.22 | flyinprogramer | nice |
| 13:05.39 | abrotman | flyinprogramer: my dad used to keep his boat in Northeast Harbor .. wintered at Abel's Yard in Somes Sound |
| 13:05.45 | DawnLight | hi abrotman, everyone |
| 13:05.49 | abrotman | DawnLight: hi |
| 13:06.03 | flyinprogramer | so i have a question before i do this switch, i'm currently an apache user, absolutely hate it, was going to switch to lighttpd, how hard is it to get lighttpd, perl, php5 and mysql 5 all working and playing together like happy little children on debian? |
| 13:06.09 | abrotman | flyinprogramer: and i *love* Geddy's in Bar Harbor |
| 13:06.15 | flyinprogramer | abrotman: yup |
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| 13:06.25 | styx_tdo | flyinprogramer what's your apache issue? |
| 13:06.32 | flyinprogramer | well, its just stupid |
| 13:06.35 | flyinprogramer | maybe i'm n00b |
| 13:06.38 | flyinprogramer | scratch that i am |
| 13:06.51 | asg | flyinprogramer: lighttpd is supported in debian as is perl, php5 and mysql5. |
| 13:06.58 | flyinprogramer | but like configuring apache to work with perl on gentoo i've found is really hard |
| 13:06.59 | asg | flyinprogramer: well, in etch and later. |
| 13:07.02 | abrotman | flyinprogramer: i thnik you use the php5-cgi with lighttpd |
| 13:07.12 | flyinprogramer | ok |
| 13:07.13 | abrotman | which would get your mysql support |
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| 13:07.18 | abrotman | dunno about perl with lightttpd |
| 13:07.19 | flyinprogramer | excellent |
| 13:07.29 | wols | flyinprogramer: hared than apache |
| 13:07.31 | abrotman | but i suspect it's roughly the same |
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| 13:07.55 | flyinprogramer | wols: what? |
| 13:08.07 | styx_tdo | flyinprogramer :) it's way easier in debian - just apt-get modapache2-<modulename> and you're nearly done. no recompilation of all of apache if u need a feature |
| 13:08.20 | flyinprogramer | nice |
| 13:08.30 | wols | flyinprogramer: to get lighthttpd is harder |
| 13:08.48 | flyinprogramer | now do i then have to configure the httpd.conf to look for the perl stuff? or does it do that all magically ? |
| 13:08.49 | abrotman | styx_tdo: you mean libapache2-<module name> ? |
| 13:08.58 | styx_tdo | abrotman yep |
| 13:09.01 | flyinprogramer | wow |
| 13:09.04 | flyinprogramer | you guys are great |
| 13:09.18 | styx_tdo | flyinprogramer nope, most of it is done in specific files... |
| 13:09.27 | XMR2F77 | i dont have a newer ATI card but would like to install tried (!ati) in bots |
| 13:09.30 | flyinprogramer | i think i've totally found my new distro, and i'm quite satisfied |
| 13:09.35 | DawnLight | flyinprogramer: i've got apache2 set up in debian with php5 and mysql in no time and i don't know anything about nothing |
| 13:09.38 | abrotman | XMR2F77: what model is it ? |
| 13:09.50 | styx_tdo | flyinprogramer ech mod puts a file in /etc/apache2/modes-enabled that does the init, the vhosts are in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled and so on |
| 13:09.53 | wols | flyinprogramer: if you mean mod_perl: apt-get install libapache2-mod-perl2 and you're done |
| 13:09.56 | joakim | flyinprogramer: i just did a |
| 13:09.56 | flyinprogramer | DawnLight: that makes me feel excellent, because i don't know much either |
| 13:09.56 | abrotman | XMR2F77: lspci | grep VGA .. if you don't know |
| 13:10.01 | abrotman | SaLoMoN: turn that off |
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| 13:10.06 | quitte_ | gentoo is just a new and fancy way to debian |
| 13:10.08 | joakim | flyinprogramer: tasksel, and selected web server, that installed everything i needed :P |
| 13:10.09 | bzed | flyinprogramer: you probably wanna do a /msg dpkg search to figure out how to searvh for packages you need/want |
| 13:10.16 | SaLoMoN | abrotman, what? |
| 13:10.16 | abrotman | joakim: he doesn't want apache |
| 13:10.19 | flyinprogramer | wols: wow |
| 13:10.22 | joakim | oh :/ |
| 13:10.24 | SaLoMoN | oh okay |
| 13:10.25 | SaLoMoN | ^ |
| 13:10.25 | abrotman | SaLoMoN: the music ? |
| 13:10.28 | SaLoMoN | lol |
| 13:10.39 | XMR2F77 | my card is radeon 9950 |
| 13:10.46 | joakim | wtf |
| 13:10.47 | abrotman | they made a 9950 ? |
| 13:10.49 | joakim | 9950? |
| 13:10.50 | XMR2F77 | 9550 |
| 13:10.51 | wols | flyinprogramer: why don't you want apache? setup hassles ing entoo or deeper dislike? |
| 13:10.51 | styx_tdo | abrotman sure? he seems to fear the config overhead, not apache |
| 13:10.57 | abrotman | XMR2F77: use the radeon driver |
| 13:11.01 | styx_tdo | +afk |
| 13:11.10 | XMR2F77 | xorg-ati? |
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| 13:11.14 | flyinprogramer | wols: idk, apache just was a royal pain for me on my gentoo box |
| 13:11.16 | MarcoPau | how do I check the list of available partitions in grub? |
| 13:11.22 | wols | !tell XMR2F77 about drxx |
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| 13:11.24 | abrotman | XMR2F77: when you dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg .. choose radeon |
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| 13:11.42 | abrotman | MarcoPau: should support tab completion |
| 13:11.51 | wols | abrotman: isn't the ati driver the one which supports 3D? |
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| 13:11.57 | flyinprogramer | excellent, well i'll see if this gentoo recompile will fix my issues, if it is still broken when i get back from church, hello Debian |
| 13:11.59 | XMR2F77 | thanks |
| 13:12.01 | orko_ | hi. I have problems compiling lirc-modules-source under debian unstable with kernel 2.6.20 |
| 13:12.09 | abrotman | wols: i thought it did the magic autodetect now |
| 13:12.14 | orko_ | it always tell me i do nat have a source tree but i installed the sources. |
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| 13:12.31 | orko_ | i tried modules-assistant but did not worke ither |
| 13:12.32 | MarcoPau | abrotman: yea but there was some sort of fdisk inside there, am I wrong? |
| 13:12.44 | sn0 | orko_ did you extract the source after apt-get installing it? |
| 13:12.49 | abrotman | MarcoPau: eh .. i don't think there's an fdisk in grub |
| 13:13.02 | wols | abrotman: my xservre (sid) has no "radeon" driver |
| 13:13.04 | wols | all it has is ati |
| 13:13.15 | abrotman | !find radeon sid |
| 13:13.15 | stew | wols: same thing |
| 13:13.20 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'radeon' (6 of 34): (/usr/sbin/radeontool) in utils/radeontool ;; (/usr/lib/dri/radeon_dri.so) in libs/libgl1-mesa-dri ;; (/usr/include/drm/radeon_drm.h) in libdevel/libdrm-dev ;; (/usr/lib/mplayer/vidix/radeon_vid.so) in graphics/mplayer ;; (/usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.1.2/vidix/radeon_vid.so) in libs/libxine1 ;; (/usr/lib/avifile-0.7/vidix/libradeon.so) in libs/libavifile-0.7c2. |
| 13:13.27 | abrotman | stew: yes .. but are they both options in drxx ? |
| 13:13.40 | orko_ | sn0: yes |
| 13:13.42 | stew | abrotman: iirc not in sarge but yes in etch |
| 13:13.42 | wols | stew: something that isn't there/shown like "radeon" can't be selected |
| 13:14.09 | abrotman | orko_: did you try m-a prepare or whatever it is ? |
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| 13:14.53 | asg | stew: I finally decommissioned our last woody box |
| 13:14.58 | orko_ | abrotman: yes. modules-assistant did every thing it should. i compiled several other modules with it without problems. |
| 13:15.32 | stew | asg: heh, congrats, did you replace it with a sarge box? |
| 13:16.17 | asg | stew: in this case, no. It was a decom. I still have mostly sarge boxes at this time though new ones go up wit etch. I'm planning an upgrade cycle for the summer though. |
| 13:16.33 | flyinprogramer | jesus, i might switch to debian today just because this distro is so easy to use |
| 13:16.35 | styx_tdo | flyinprogramer i tried both. gentoo is cool for some high specific systems, gameservers are ok. for all.round usage debian just rocks :) |
| 13:17.13 | flyinprogramer | styx_tdo: yah, no kidding |
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| 13:17.13 | flyinprogramer | styx_tdo: installing things is like so amazingly simple |
| 13:17.26 | styx_tdo | yep. and updating doesn't trash your whole system |
| 13:17.47 | styx_tdo | last time i watched gentoo doing libc6 for 2 hours.. |
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| 13:18.25 | styx_tdo | .. and did the same in debian in under 1 minute |
| 13:19.43 | flyinprogramer | so... there aren't use flags in debian... but is there away for specify stuff like that when you use apt-get ? |
| 13:19.50 | flyinprogramer | i should just man apt-get |
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| 13:20.25 | psnl | xelfium: 14:11 < maswan> yeah, the machine is hung. I'll get to it on monday if I can't do it remote this eveing |
| 13:20.36 | styx_tdo | flyinprogramer you don't compile, no flags. you can choose which path you want - stable, testing, unstable and experimental - or a mix with "apt-pinning" |
| 13:20.39 | styx_tdo | have fun :) |
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| 13:20.58 | abrotman | flyinprogramer: use aptitude |
| 13:21.03 | xelfium | psnl: ok, thank you for info |
| 13:22.24 | flyinprogramer | dpkg is a really cool bot |
| 13:22.29 | Eclipser | how to initiate an ssh connection to some computer through my non-default interface? |
| 13:22.53 | asg | Eclipser: non-default interface? |
| 13:23.17 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 13:23.34 | Eclipser | asg, I have two internet interfaces and I'm too bored at the moment to fully configure it, I want to use the other inteface for just this connection but it seems to default to the "wrong" one |
| 13:23.51 | Talaturen | hey, I installed apache today and then I saw it wasn't apache2, so I did apt-get install apache2 and it refused to run apache2, so I did apt-get remove apache and apache2 and did apt-get install apache2 and it doesn't want to run I get this error: |
| 13:23.53 | Talaturen | apache2: Syntax error on line 189 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Could not open configuration file /etc/apache2/httpd.conf: No such file or directory |
| 13:23.55 | JohnDoh | hi, when i run `df -h` it reports incorrect useage on a filesystem mounted useing autofs how do i force it to recalculate? |
| 13:23.57 | Talaturen | anyone know how to solve that? |
| 13:24.07 | Eclipser | (I want it go through eth1, not eth0 which it does now) |
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| 13:24.13 | asg | Eclipser: setup a static route to route traffic to the server through the non-standard outbound interface (use route or ip) |
| 13:24.18 | abrotman | Talaturen: touch /etc/apache2/httpd.conf |
| 13:24.39 | asg | Eclipser: or use ssh's -b option |
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| 13:24.49 | stew | Talaturen: what abrotman said, then edit /etc/apache2/default and make sure the "NOSTART" variable isn't set to yes |
| 13:24.50 | Talaturen | abrotman, thanks! |
| 13:25.18 | samesame | how do u guys build up so much good general linux knowledge? |
| 13:25.28 | Eclipser | asg, ah, -b will do for now I think |
| 13:25.38 | asg | samesame: spend 5 years in this channel, read a lot of books, admin a lot of systems |
| 13:25.52 | samesame | haha ok |
| 13:26.09 | abrotman | or do a vulcan mind meld with the bot |
| 13:26.31 | asg | abrotman: I'd rather just meld with stew |
| 13:26.32 | stew | abrotman: you realize it runs mysql, right? |
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| 13:26.40 | stew | asg: easy, sailor |
| 13:26.42 | abrotman | stew: i know .. my brain will eat itself soon enough |
| 13:27.03 | asg | abrotman: mysqldump :P |
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| 13:27.12 | abrotman | mm .. beer :) |
| 13:27.15 | lvh | poor dpkg |
| 13:27.19 | lvh | dpkg, botsnack |
| 13:27.20 | dpkg | :), lvh |
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| 13:27.31 | asg | abrotman: in 30 minutes, it will be beer time |
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| 13:27.55 | abrotman | asg: i get to go to the ballgame .. beer time starts early |
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| 13:28.06 | asg | abrotman: what time does the game start? |
| 13:28.10 | abrotman | though the weather is nasty looking |
| 13:28.21 | abrotman | asg: 135 or so .. but the stadium opens around 1130 :) |
| 13:28.28 | asg | abrotman: nice |
| 13:28.43 | abrotman | asg: and .. i get a cheesesteak! |
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| 13:28.47 | asg | abrotman: I'm not going to venture far today; it's NASCAR weekend and driving will be terrible. |
| 13:28.58 | abrotman | asg: oh .. that's bad |
| 13:29.13 | stew | we're cooking out all afternoon, beer time will start at 1400 |
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| 13:29.25 | asg | abrotman: this and next weekend, the little town just north of here becomes the 3rd most populous city in the state ;) |
| 13:29.37 | stew | which means i need to get cracking on moving a package from main to contrib :( |
| 13:29.38 | abrotman | stew: the important game starts at 2pm! |
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| 13:29.58 | stew | abrotman: i'm sure rachel's laptop will be keeping us informed |
| 13:30.05 | abrotman | asg: and the beer consumption in the state still only goes up by 2% |
| 13:30.10 | abrotman | stew: heh |
| 13:30.15 | asg | stew: do you know if the rdesktop borkage in etch will be fixed in r1? |
| 13:30.25 | abrotman | stew: if you check the phillies game .. i'll be just past the home dugout about four rows up! |
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| 13:30.41 | asg | abrotman: true |
| 13:30.48 | stew | asg: i didn't know about it, what is the bug#? |
| 13:31.18 | asg | stew: #418525 |
| 13:31.20 | abrotman | !dbugs 418533 |
| 13:31.22 | abrotman | that one ? |
| 13:31.23 | dpkg | DONE:#418533:G[rdesktop] rdesktop: segfaults always; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 11:18:01 UTC |
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| 13:31.38 | asg | stew: it segvs due to the libx11 security fix pre-stable |
| 13:31.43 | abrotman | oh .. best bug ever ... |
| 13:31.54 | abrotman | !dbugs 423365 |
| 13:31.57 | dpkg | DONE:#423365:G[rdesktop] question about #418098; Fri, 11 May 2007 09:54:02 UTC |
| 13:32.00 | stew | asg: oh, good chance then |
| 13:32.28 | asg | stew: cool. I was going to backport it for personal use but I can wait till r1 if that's the case. |
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| 13:33.59 | keex | hello |
| 13:34.01 | stew | asg: i wouldn't take my word for it though |
| 13:34.22 | keex | I'm having a hard time installing a package from the local dir... |
| 13:34.23 | stew | asg: you could ask -release on irc.d.o |
| 13:34.45 | abrotman | stew: doesn't joey or joeyh keep a list of packages that are being considered for rc1 ? |
| 13:34.49 | asg | stew: yeah, I'll do that. |
| 13:34.49 | abrotman | erm .. r1 |
| 13:34.56 | keex | I don't know how to install a package from local dir |
| 13:34.57 | sn0 | keex what happens when you install said package |
| 13:35.03 | asg | keex: dpkg -i <pkg> |
| 13:35.04 | abrotman | keex: dpkg -i |
| 13:35.07 | sn0 | oh right, its a deb file yes ? |
| 13:35.12 | stew | asg: actualy, it doens't look like the stable RMs are in releaes |
| 13:35.17 | stew | asg: ask zobel |
| 13:35.18 | sn0 | then use dpkg -i filename.deb (as above) |
| 13:35.24 | asg | stew: thanks |
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| 13:35.28 | keex | thanks |
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| 13:35.39 | flyinprogramer | hey buys, um... how hard is it to build a kernel for debian?? |
| 13:35.43 | flyinprogramer | *guys |
| 13:35.52 | flyinprogramer | is it the same as with gentoo? |
| 13:35.54 | stew | flyinprogramer: /msg dpkg kp |
| 13:36.00 | sn0 | flyinprogramer pretty simple really :) |
| 13:36.05 | stew | flyinprogramer: but, in general you should need to |
| 13:36.19 | wols | flyinprogramer: no. you configure your kernel with make menuconfig and then run make-kpkg to build a deb from it |
| 13:36.19 | abrotman | oh .. joey isn't doing it anymore |
| 13:36.28 | stew | doing what? |
| 13:36.37 | abrotman | stew: http://people.debian.org/~joey/3.1r2/ |
| 13:36.41 | abrotman | for example |
| 13:36.45 | ustunozgur | guys, as far as I know, dpkg -i doesn't take notice of the dependencies, but gdebi does. is it true? |
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| 13:36.58 | flyinprogramer | ok |
| 13:37.03 | abrotman | ustunozgur: then aptitude -f install |
| 13:37.25 | ustunozgur | thanks abrotman :) |
| 13:37.26 | stew | abrotman: well the people that decide what gets in and what doesn't are the stable release managers: http://www.debian.org/intro/organization |
| 13:37.43 | abrotman | stew: maybe joey was an RM for woody? dunno |
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| 13:38.57 | Talaturen | now that I've installed apache2 and it works I have another problem, when I go to http://localhost/ it redirects me to http://localhost/apache2-default/, is there anyway I can make it read files in the www folder instead of redirecting to that apache2-default folder? |
| 13:38.59 | stew | abrotman: he's listed as a "release assitant", which is, i think, "vorlon aide". I think they are concerned with getting testing to release but not caring for stable post release, (but i'm not positive) |
| 13:39.20 | abrotman | stew: ah .. still be nice if such a page existed for 4.0r1 |
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| 13:39.44 | stew | Talaturen: there is a RedirectMatch in /etc/apache2/sites-available/default |
| 13:39.52 | wols | Talaturen: there is an index.* in /var/www/ |
| 13:40.03 | dvs | there's a 4.0r1? |
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| 13:40.07 | asg | dvs: there will be |
| 13:40.11 | abrotman | dvs: not yet |
| 13:40.11 | dvs | yay! |
| 13:40.23 | phretor | ehm, I've the following problem with ALSA and mpg321 and another player. Mpg321 *does* play the song and I am able to hear, even if it shows these errors http://pastie.caboo.se/63101 - Cynthiune.app (the other player) does play the song but I can't hear anything |
| 13:40.44 | abrotman | is that the one where you smear poutine on your body ? |
| 13:40.48 | liable | unlikely to be very exciting. |
| 13:42.03 | flyinprogramer | how stable is 4.0r0 ? |
| 13:42.06 | stew | actually it could include new kernels, which would be exciting |
| 13:42.09 | flyinprogramer | should i have any issues? |
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| 13:42.21 | stew | flyinprogramer: stable |
| 13:42.46 | flyinprogramer | ok |
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| 13:43.08 | dvs | abrotman: very funny. |
| 13:43.17 | abrotman | i thought so :) |
| 13:43.21 | dvs | heh |
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| 13:46.35 | stew | there is nothing funny about poutine |
| 13:47.15 | dvs | stew: sure there is. You can laugh at the guy having the heart attack afterwards. ;-) |
| 13:48.14 | flyinprogramer | yay for cheese curds |
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| 13:50.34 | flyinprogramer | so what do you guys use for a firewall? |
| 13:50.44 | artur | How to limit traffic for user groups? |
| 13:50.46 | dvs | flyinprogramer: a router (Linksys) |
| 13:51.00 | sn0 | i use jays firewal script for iptables |
| 13:51.02 | cast | flyinprogramer: shorewall, when i use one |
| 13:51.04 | sn0 | im lazy |
| 13:51.36 | chemaja | emacs officially rules |
| 13:51.44 | styx_tdo | flyinprogramer cisco router |
| 13:52.02 | ustunozgur | phretor, do you have more than one sound card? |
| 13:52.04 | asg | artur: more recent versions of iptables can match and impose policy based on users and groups |
| 13:52.04 | styx_tdo | or pix |
| 13:52.34 | artur | asg, Ok i check it |
| 13:52.39 | artur | i will check it ;P |
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| 13:52.59 | valdyn | asg: that wasnt removed with the removal of per task filtering? |
| 13:53.03 | asg | artur: also, check lartc.org for the ultimate routing faq |
| 13:53.14 | styx_tdo | flyinprogramer but else, iptables with stateful |
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| 13:53.57 | asg | valdyn: the option is mentioned in the manpage (on etch). If that functionality doesn't exist in etch, then a bug needs to be filed. |
| 13:54.07 | jeef | i have an interesting sound problem that i'm experiencing... alsaconf properly sets up hda-intel alsa drivers, and everything loads fine... my user's a member of the audio group, and i can control the volume mixers and play sounds.. the problem is, i can't hear any of it? it's as if something is muted somewhere but i can't see anything muted on any of the mixers... any ideas? |
| 13:54.28 | plb | I have compiled murrina gtk2 engine within my ~/home and it created a lib folder but how to I add this so it is recognized? |
| 13:54.48 | flyinprogramer | ok sounds good |
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| 13:55.09 | plb | the closest I could figure out is adding LIBDIR=/home/plb/lib to /etc/ld.so.conf? but that didn't work |
| 13:55.29 | valdyn | asg: i see the manpage is ok: This option requires kernel support that might not be available in official Linux ... |
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| 13:55.59 | asg | valdyn: not for --uid-owner or --gid-owner, just --pid* --sid* --cmd* |
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| 13:56.06 | valdyn | asg: aye |
| 13:56.20 | Skaag | I can't find libiconv in etch |
| 13:56.27 | Skaag | anyone knows where it's hiding? :-) |
| 13:56.33 | valdyn | !tell Skaag -about search |
| 13:56.39 | Skaag | I tried to search |
| 13:56.48 | asg | Skaag: apt-cache serch lib iconv |
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| 13:58.29 | vinyl | hi there. is there a guideline for submitting patches to the debian bts? i have been looking around quite a bit, so far without any success. |
| 13:58.34 | valdyn | Skaag: iconv is not a seperate library |
| 13:58.49 | valdyn | Skaag: its part of the standard c library |
| 13:58.56 | Skaag | valdyn: I see..! |
| 13:59.06 | Skaag | I've installed the hooks and hook-dev for it |
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| 13:59.27 | valdyn | Skaag: not sure why you'd need that.. |
| 13:59.31 | Skaag | but my compilation of php can not locate the libraries. |
| 13:59.42 | Skaag | i'm doing an updatedb and am going to try to locate them |
| 14:00.08 | valdyn | Skaag: have you even read the description of what you installed? |
| 14:00.54 | Skaag | yes, those packages are intended for mod_encoding |
| 14:01.22 | Skaag | strange I can't find libiconv.so.* anywhere on the system |
| 14:01.37 | valdyn | Skaag: its part of the standard c library |
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| 14:01.43 | Skaag | statically linked? |
| 14:01.51 | valdyn | Skaag: no? |
| 14:02.06 | Skaag | I mean a system wide search for libiconv.so* does not come up with anything |
| 14:02.12 | Skaag | the standard C library is installed |
| 14:02.28 | valdyn | Skaag: ok, it is statically linked to the c library, since its part of it.. |
| 14:02.44 | liable | vinyl: just put the patch in the message body, or you can attach it if you like |
| 14:02.58 | Skaag | you mean libstdc++6? |
| 14:03.13 | valdyn | Skaag: no |
| 14:03.18 | phretor | GNUstep/File Viewer users right there? |
| 14:03.21 | Skaag | just libc? |
| 14:03.24 | Skaag | libc6? |
| 14:03.28 | valdyn | yes |
| 14:04.10 | Suprano | how can i change the process priority again? |
| 14:04.19 | valdyn | Suprano: with nice |
| 14:04.24 | Suprano | ah ty |
| 14:04.27 | valdyn | Suprano: or renice |
| 14:04.51 | JohnDoh | is there anything i can do to correct what 'df' reports if it is wrong? |
| 14:05.02 | styx_tdo | JohnDoh inhowfar wrong? |
| 14:05.05 | valdyn | JohnDoh: how is it wrong? |
| 14:06.38 | JohnDoh | i have an nfs share mounted using autofs, i put some files on there earlier and the useage went up to 97%, i have since deleted them but usage is still reported as 97% |
| 14:07.13 | valdyn | JohnDoh: deleting open files does not free space at all |
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| 14:07.25 | valdyn | JohnDoh: use lsof to see if they are open |
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| 14:08.20 | valdyn | vinyl: report a bug with the patch attached |
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| 14:08.41 | valdyn | vinyl: or if there already is a bug report, mail that bug report |
| 14:08.46 | vinyl | valdyn, liable: thanks. will do that |
| 14:08.48 | asg | vinyl: unified diffs are generally preferred (diff -u) |
| 14:10.55 | vinyl | asg: thanks. that's what i meant: what do diffs have to look like. |
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| 14:12.55 | JohnDoh | thanks valdyn but what i am looking for? i dont see any files from that fs |
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| 14:15.05 | valdyn | JohnDoh: lsof /path/to/mountpoint |
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| 14:18.20 | JohnDoh | that only shows the autofs process |
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| 14:18.34 | Piru | Is it just me (well my system), or did the very latest sid samba (3.0.25-1+b1) just break large files when windoze acts as a client? |
| 14:18.49 | yang | I am having troubles with DVD ROM drive - when I read the CD i get these error: http://paste.debian.net/28395 |
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| 14:19.20 | Piru | by large I mean >2GB |
| 14:19.34 | valdyn | yang: so you drive or disk is broken |
| 14:19.48 | yang | valdyn: it is a new drive... |
| 14:20.04 | valdyn | yang: Cannot read medium - incompatible format -- (asc=0x30, ascq=0x02) |
| 14:20.08 | yang | valdyn: I configured it as slave, with jumpers, I have CDrom on ide1 |
| 14:20.13 | valdyn | yang: that's a clear error |
| 14:20.24 | Piru | ahhh. silly me, it's a user error. disregard. :) |
| 14:20.37 | Piru | (damn those directories with similar names :-) |
| 14:20.41 | valdyn | yang: you computer itself is not involved in this, its only the cdrom drives doing this |
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| 14:21.47 | yang | valdyn: but why does it write these errors, I think its configured properly |
| 14:22.01 | valdyn | yang: why should this have a thing to do with configuration? |
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| 14:22.34 | valdyn | yang: it cant read that disk, period |
| 14:22.44 | valdyn | yang: do different disks work though? |
| 14:22.54 | yang | valdyn: none of the disks works |
| 14:23.11 | yang | ATAPI device hdd: |
| 14:23.11 | yang | end_request: I/O error, dev hdd, sector 0 |
| 14:23.12 | yang | hdd: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
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| 14:23.58 | valdyn | yang: maybe resetting the driver can fix this |
| 14:24.04 | valdyn | yang: maybe resetting the _drive_ can fix this |
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| 14:24.38 | yang | valdyn: and the green light flashes all the time, even when the disc is not in the drive |
| 14:24.41 | valdyn | yang: looks broken to me though.. we cant diagnose if that's the firmwares or a mechanical fault |
| 14:25.29 | ivalladt | wodim is creating à cds which are unusable by windows and my hardware dvd, nevertheless they mount nicely under linux, iso images are being created via mkisofs -r -J -joliet-long, any ideas? |
| 14:25.35 | yang | valdyn: maybe a broken cable? |
| 14:25.53 | valdyn | yang: hardly |
| 14:26.07 | valdyn | yang: power supply issues can do funny things though |
| 14:26.59 | valdyn | ivalladt: why are you breaking the joliet spec? |
| 14:27.11 | valdyn | ivalladt: by using --joliet-long ? |
| 14:27.12 | abrotman | fun *and* profit! |
| 14:27.14 | XMR2F77 | hi ! when i edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf, for beryl, with Section "Extensions" Option "Composite" "Enable" and Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" what does option stand for and does "AddARGBGLXVisuals" go inside extensions |
| 14:27.26 | abrotman | XMR2F77: beryl isn't in debian .. use compiz |
| 14:27.40 | XMR2F77 | compiz? |
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| 14:28.01 | XMR2F77 | !compiz |
| 14:28.02 | dpkg | compiz is, like, a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on Xgl and AIGLX. It is now in Debian and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server.. Check http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz |
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| 14:28.37 | yang | valdyn: i will continue later, There are errors with SCCSI tape drive, when booting up the computer |
| 14:28.41 | cast | crap. any gtk app i start gets me *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption :\ |
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| 14:32.16 | quitte_ | has someone here taken the lpi 102 test? do they really still ask about bsd printing? |
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| 14:33.47 | putridp | Since moving to etch '$sudo aptitude upgrade' seems to be getting a new kernel every week. What's that about? |
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| 14:34.53 | dvs | putridp: yeah, that's ruining my uptime. |
| 14:35.14 | valdyn | putridp: security fixes? |
| 14:35.26 | putridp | valdyn: I guess yeah |
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| 14:35.36 | abrotman | putridp: subscribe to security notification |
| 14:35.45 | psnl | putridp: you on d-s-a? |
| 14:35.53 | putridp | It confuses the hell out of me trying to upgrade a diskless workstation |
| 14:35.54 | abrotman | there's also an RSS feed |
| 14:36.04 | debyz | putridp, whatis command apt-cache search with aptitude like??? |
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| 14:36.17 | abrotman | aptitude search ? |
| 14:36.17 | aptitude | methinks search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 14:36.23 | abrotman | aptitude: shuddup |
| 14:36.24 | aptitude | Fine, I'll be quiet. |
| 14:36.27 | quitte_ | putridp: which kernel is that? i had exactly one update since the etch release. |
| 14:36.53 | putridp | quitte_:vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-486 |
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| 14:37.02 | dvs | abrotman: stop giving aptitude attitude. |
| 14:37.24 | psnl | putridp: I see two upgrades this month, and none the month before |
| 14:38.10 | abrotman | dvs: you made a funny! |
| 14:38.12 | debyz | i just installed debian, where is system, boot and install logs??? |
| 14:38.13 | psnl | putridp: netfilter bugs from upstream in one, and driver and odd subsystem bugs in the other. |
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| 14:38.17 | dvs | tee hee hee |
| 14:38.20 | abrotman | debyz: /var/log/ |
| 14:38.22 | valdyn | debyz: in /var/log/ |
| 14:38.27 | putridp | psnl: I might have been exaggerating... |
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| 14:38.31 | debyz | valdyn, thanks |
| 14:38.40 | valdyn | !bootlog |
| 14:38.40 | dpkg | /etc/default/bootlogd now defaults to "no". Edit that to get your /var/log/boot file back. For more info, see bugs.debian.org/213028, or not a command (opposed to dmesg) |
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| 14:39.00 | psnl | putridp: actually, you made me look since I haven't rebooted since the release... |
| 14:39.56 | liable | been two kernel dsa's since release.. |
| 14:41.05 | putridp | aptitude upgrade would put the new kernel and initrd images in /boot, right? Even though the box is diskless booting and doesn't actually get it's kernel image from there? |
| 14:41.06 | aptitude | I think you lost me on that one, putridp |
| 14:42.19 | dvs | aptitude is smart enough to do that, putridp |
| 14:43.13 | bzed | aptitude, give some love to putridp |
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| 14:43.35 | quitte_ | putridp: i don'T see any new kernels for 486. are you sure you are using etch, and not testing,maybe? |
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| 14:44.56 | putridp | quitte_: definitely on etch |
| 14:45.37 | putridp | The thing is, when there's a new kernel I need to copy the images into the tftp directories on the server, so the client uses them when it boots disklessly |
| 14:46.51 | quitte_ | putridp: you could nfs mount the tftp directry so that it becomes boot. |
| 14:47.37 | putridp | quitte_: That's a good idea. |
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| 14:48.32 | quitte_ | putridp: you'd need to update the tftp configuration if the images filename changes,though. but in that case the old kernel would stay on the system, anyways |
| 14:48.42 | putridp | quitte_: It'd need some tinkering when there's a new version number (ie vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-486 to vmlinuz-2.6.18-5-486) |
| 14:48.56 | putridp | quitte_: quite |
| 14:49.05 | putridp | quitte_: should work though |
| 14:49.09 | quitte_ | putridp: i'm not sure. but i think a new version isn't allowed in a stable release |
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| 14:50.02 | Hotwire | any one know of any good chess opening s/w for linux, ideally i want something that will let me choose an opening and then play it against me telling me where i go wrong |
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| 14:51.12 | test_ | how do i give access for everyone to access audio devices without having to one by own chown permission in /dev or add every user to audio group in /etc/group |
| 14:51.14 | putridp | quitte_: I think I might try that. I can see breakage occurring though ;-) |
| 14:51.35 | asg | Hotwire: apt-cache search chess opening |
| 14:51.44 | asg | test_: what's wrong with adding them to the audio group? |
| 14:51.53 | test_ | asg, i have many users |
| 14:51.53 | Hotwire | asg: yes, i've done that ofc |
| 14:52.15 | asg | test_: for i in <list of users> ; do adduser $i audio ; done |
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| 14:54.31 | asg | test_: to do it on new user creation, man adduser (search for adduser.local) |
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| 15:02.15 | tefflon | if i left my work comptuer logged into my shell on pts/4 and now i'm home logged into my shell on pts/15 can I control the other login ? |
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| 15:04.46 | sn0 | tefflon not sure, but you can run applications in 'screen' |
| 15:04.52 | sn0 | so you can reattach from anywhere later |
| 15:05.06 | tefflon | how do i do that ? |
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| 15:05.35 | sn0 | well assuming you have ran apt-get install screen , screen irssi |
| 15:05.38 | sn0 | then ctrl+a+d to detach |
| 15:05.48 | sn0 | once you go back to the computer/login over ssh, you would do screen -r |
| 15:05.51 | sn0 | to re-attach :] |
| 15:06.00 | tefflon | uh oh |
| 15:06.09 | tefflon | that just closed my putty window |
| 15:06.10 | sn0 | fyi tefflon http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/34 |
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| 15:06.18 | tefflon | k |
| 15:06.21 | sn0 | im not sure of how to 'connect' to another tty , but that should help |
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| 15:06.49 | sneharajr | hi |
| 15:07.11 | daredjeve | How do I install phppgadmin whitout php4 but using the php5 installation already there.... would a "apt-get install phppgadmin libapache2-mod-php5" do the trick ? |
| 15:07.27 | sneharajr | i have one nfs mounted partition i want to give permission to all users how to do that |
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| 15:08.14 | asg | daredjeve: if php5 is still installed, it should use that dependancy. You might need libapache2-mod-php5 to force it's usage instead of the v4 one. |
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| 15:09.10 | daredjeve | asg: great... :] doing a reinstall... last time php4 got installed, and i think i messed the config..... |
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| 15:09.31 | tefflon | hey sneharajr |
| 15:09.32 | daredjeve | it/i even |
| 15:09.40 | tefflon | thanks sn0 |
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| 15:10.04 | asg | daredjeve: just remove php4 and make sure you have php5 installed. That should do it. |
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| 15:11.20 | daredjeve | asg: tried that, and I think I made it worse... just a test server small install so it's ok.. I'm learning from this .... :] |
| 15:11.54 | asg | :) |
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| 15:12.37 | gkahla | i'm trying to run the Etch installer w/o ieee1394 support, specifically the 'eth1394' module. Passed 'eth1394.blacklist=yes' to the kernel of the installer disk. Now, the system won't let me fire up the other NICs on this box... |
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| 15:13.38 | gkahla | i'm in the 'Detect network hardware' step, and no matter what gets selected it asks me "Are you sure you don't want Firewire Ethernet support?" |
| 15:14.25 | afinley | Dumb question time, So I have sarge installed and it automatically mounts my usb external hd, but how do I umount this drive??? |
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| 15:14.55 | gkahla | afinley, have you taken a look in your /etc/fstab for the name of the drive? |
| 15:15.17 | asg | afinley: umount /mnt/point |
| 15:15.23 | gkahla | afinley, do you know what directory the drive is mounted on? |
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| 15:15.37 | gkahla | ^^ what asg typed... |
| 15:16.20 | afinley | It is not in my fstab (that's how I used to do it in the old days), it seems to automount on /media/usbdisk |
| 15:16.39 | daredjeve | asg: jeee.. :] it worked using libapache2-mod-php5 ...... :] |
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| 15:16.48 | gkahla | afinley, then type 'umount /media/usbdisk' as root |
| 15:16.49 | asg | daredjeve: excellent |
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| 15:17.26 | putridp | quitte_: Mounting the tftp directory on the server as /boot on the client seems to work as expected. I guess I'll have to wait for another kernel security update to make sure. Thanks for the tip :) |
| 15:17.51 | afinley | gkahla: thanks that was too easy |
| 15:18.03 | gkahla | afinley: no problems |
| 15:18.27 | gkahla | re-trying the boot with 'ieee1394.blacklist=yes', we'll see what happens now... |
| 15:18.56 | gkahla | it detects the firewire ethernet module anyway... |
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| 15:22.07 | troytroy | the day i become a debian guru would be much appreciated |
| 15:22.33 | troytroy | error while loading shared libraries: libssl.so.0.9.7: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 15:22.45 | troytroy | what does this error mean please |
| 15:22.45 | valdyn | gkahla: why dont you just disable this in the bios for now? |
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| 15:23.13 | ustunozgur | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:23.16 | duns_s | hi |
| 15:23.22 | valdyn | troytroy: did you read that error |
| 15:23.31 | troytroy | valdyn yes |
| 15:23.31 | gkahla | Etch installer is insisting on loading the eth1394 module - passing the parameters 'installer ieee1394.blacklist=yes eth1394.blacklist=yes' force you to select a driver (that's fine - I know which to choose), but then the installer keeps asking about Firewire ethernet and doesn't let you past that point... |
| 15:23.36 | valdyn | troytroy: that's what it means |
| 15:23.40 | duns_s | i get a permission denied error when using debootstrap |
| 15:23.57 | duns_s | i'm using debootstrap on my gentoo server to migrate the system to debian |
| 15:23.58 | gkahla | valdyn: this laptop doesn't allow me to disable the firewire in BIOS |
| 15:24.03 | troytroy | valdyn ? |
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| 15:24.21 | duns_s | i can mount -t proc proc /debian/proc manually |
| 15:24.35 | valdyn | troytroy: i have no idea what you need to know, what's not written there. |
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| 15:24.46 | duns_s | but the chroot /debian mount -t proc proc /proc command of debootstraps fails |
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| 15:25.07 | duns_s | and i cannot resume, because apt is not installed inside the chroot |
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| 15:25.45 | troytroy | valdyn i use alien to convert an rpm pkg to deb and used dpkg to install |
| 15:25.51 | valdyn | ustunozgur: its a matter of taste, depends on the fonts you antialiase and the specific antialiasing mode |
| 15:26.07 | troytroy | valdyn now when i try to start script it gives me that error |
| 15:26.07 | valdyn | troytroy: that's silly to do |
| 15:26.13 | duns_s | is there some problem with the gentoo debootstrap version? |
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| 15:26.40 | valdyn | !find libssl.so.0.9.7 etch |
| 15:26.41 | duns_s | i got 0.3.3-r1 |
| 15:26.51 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libssl.so.0.9.7' (2): (/usr/lib/libssl.so.0.9.7, /usr/lib/i486/libssl.so.0.9.7, /usr/lib/i586/libssl.so.0.9.7) in oldlibs/libssl0.9.7 ;; (/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/libssl.so.0.9.7, /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/i486/libssl.so.0.9.7, /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/i586/libssl.so.0.9.7) in libdevel/libssl0.9.7-dbg. |
| 15:27.17 | ustunozgur | valdyn: I don't think so. With Verdana, especially, with antialiasing, the font look dirty. |
| 15:27.18 | valdyn | troytroy: running etch? |
| 15:27.28 | troytroy | valdyn yes |
| 15:27.44 | valdyn | ustunozgur: you dont think so? dont think what? |
| 15:28.18 | valdyn | troytroy: apt-get install libssl0.9.7 |
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| 15:28.41 | ustunozgur | valdyn: I don't think it's only subjective, it's more likely objective. |
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| 15:29.10 | ustunozgur | but it might depend on monitor type |
| 15:30.15 | duns_s | can anybody help me? |
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| 15:31.14 | stew | duns_s: what happens if you try to run "chroot /debian mount -t proc proc /proc" |
| 15:31.19 | stew | duns_s: do you get an error? |
| 15:31.37 | duns_s | mount: permission denied |
| 15:31.49 | valdyn | ustunozgur: that too, which is one reason why there's more than one antialiasing mode |
| 15:32.04 | stew | duns_s: is the partition mounted noexec? |
| 15:32.48 | stew | duns_s: or with any non-default options for that matter? (it also cannot be nodev) |
| 15:33.08 | ustunozgur | valdyn: I think it works better for my external lcd monitor, but it looks horrible in my laptop's lcd. is a laptop's monitor not a real lcd then? |
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| 15:33.54 | yoshio | duns_s: mount -t proc /proc (there was one too many "proc" things) |
| 15:34.17 | troytroy | valdyn thanks but still some errors |
| 15:34.23 | duns_s | yoshio it works with both ways |
| 15:34.33 | yoshio | duns_s: interesting |
| 15:34.46 | troytroy | valdyn i did ldd "service" and found libstdc++.so.5 also not installed |
| 15:34.57 | duns_s | o.k. i'll retry |
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| 15:35.21 | duns_s | stew: it is ext3 only with rw listed in mount |
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| 15:35.27 | qubits | hey |
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| 15:35.28 | duns_s | but wait a moment |
| 15:35.34 | stew | duns_s: what does "ls -l /debian/bin/mount" say? |
| 15:35.39 | rabbit7 | hey there.. i updateded my grub and my menu.lst is gone |
| 15:35.42 | rabbit7 | is that possible ? |
| 15:35.45 | qubits | i keep using wlanconfig ath2 create wlandev wifi0 wlanmode monitor to create devices in monitor mode |
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| 15:36.03 | qubits | and when i delete them or reboot it still creates the next largest number |
| 15:36.10 | qubits | how do i reset that or make them persistant |
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| 15:37.26 | yoshio | rabbit7: are you on sid or testing? I think grub2 replaces grub |
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| 15:38.02 | yoshio | !find grub2 |
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| 15:38.22 | Southern | Hi :) |
| 15:38.28 | yoshio | !find grub2 sid |
| 15:38.30 | dpkg | grub2: (GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (dummy package)), section admin, is extra. Version: 1.95+20070515-1 (sid), Packaged size: 69 kB, Installed size: 116 kB |
| 15:38.44 | rabbit7 | yoshio: how do i check that ? |
| 15:38.48 | yoshio | !find grub2 testing |
| 15:38.59 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'grub2' returned no results. |
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| 15:39.36 | yoshio | rabbit7: are you on sid? grub2 seems to only be in sid (unstable) |
| 15:39.53 | troytroy | !find libstdc++.so.5 |
| 15:39.59 | qubits | anyone? |
| 15:39.59 | Nosf3ratu | bueller? |
| 15:40.00 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libstdc++.so.5' returned no results. |
| 15:40.07 | rabbit7 | yoshio: i am on testing |
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| 15:40.23 | troytroy | !find libstdc++ |
| 15:40.24 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'libstdc++' (15 of 21): libstdc++2.10-dbg ;; libstdc++2.10-dev ;; libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 ;; libstdc++5 ;; libstdc++5-3.3-dbg ;; libstdc++5-3.3-dev ;; libstdc++5-3.3-doc ;; libstdc++5-3.3-pic ;; libstdc++6 ;; libstdc++6-4.1-dbg ;; libstdc++6-4.1-dev ;; libstdc++6-4.1-doc ;; libstdc++6-4.1-pic ;; libstdc++6-4.2-dbg ;; libstdc++6-4.2-dev. |
| 15:40.25 | valdyn | troytroy: why must you use this ancient rpm? |
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| 15:40.50 | rabbit7 | yoshio: i am on etch |
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| 15:41.49 | troytroy | valdyn i am trying to get an isp billing application to work |
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| 15:42.48 | yoshio | I was wrong, grub2 is in testing also: grub2: (The next generation of GNU GRUB [EXPERIMENTAL]), section admin, is extra. Version: 1.95-5 (lenny), Packaged size: 348 kB, Installed size: 944 kB |
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| 15:44.21 | valdyn | troytroy: what for? it has to be years old, there should even be a newer version if its still in development |
| 15:44.32 | onur | Hi. Can i get woody or potato cd images? |
| 15:44.55 | valdyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:44.58 | valdyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:45.05 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libstdc++.so.5' returned no results. |
| 15:45.06 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libstdc++.so.5' returned no results. |
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| 15:45.43 | troytroy | valdyn unfortunate its current dont know why they used old c libraries |
| 15:45.46 | yoshio | rabbit7: there was one bug marked fixed: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=372934 |
| 15:46.16 | yoshio | rabbit7: I was looking through http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=grub2 |
| 15:46.25 | BeatsMe | my printer is not reconized... HP 1018 Laserjet.... |
| 15:46.31 | BeatsMe | any help on that? |
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| 15:46.46 | troytroy | valdyn http://www.netup.biz/utm5-billing.php |
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| 15:47.21 | valdyn | troytroy: you can use symlinks to make it find the libraries. Maybe it will run, more likely not, considering that the c++ abi changes |
| 15:47.30 | valdyn | troytroy: you can use symlinks to make it find the libraries. Maybe it will run, more likely not, considering that the c++ abi changed |
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| 15:48.12 | troytroy | valdyn ok |
| 15:48.52 | rabbit7 | yoshio: i am using grub (GNU GRUB 0.97) |
| 15:48.57 | yoshio | rabbit7: type "dpkg -l grub grub2", what version(s) do you get? |
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| 15:49.27 | Skaag | valdyn: this libiconv problem is destroying my brain cells by the millions :-) |
| 15:49.33 | Skaag | valdyn: libc6 is installed |
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| 15:49.40 | rabbit7 | 0.97-27 |
| 15:49.51 | rabbit7 | yoshio: only one version installed |
| 15:49.54 | yoshio | rabbit7: are you using raid? is your /boot a separate partition? |
| 15:50.06 | rabbit7 | i am using software raid |
| 15:50.17 | rabbit7 | yoshi: the whole /boot/grub isnt there anymore |
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| 15:52.49 | troytroy | uuch now my system is broken |
| 15:53.44 | yoshio | rabbit7: I see bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=422459, changelog says "Fix assumptions about /, /boot and /boot/grub being the same device" - are they the same device on your system? I don't have software raid, so I can't really help you. |
| 15:53.48 | valdyn | Skaag: its not looking for the iconv library. Figure out what its looking for or tell us the error, so we can |
| 15:54.02 | yoshio | rabbit7: that bug was marked fixed on May 15th |
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| 15:54.58 | troytroy | valdyn http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21713/ |
| 15:55.30 | rabbit7 | yoshio: they are on the same device |
| 15:55.37 | troytroy | valdyn keeps repeating even when i stop it |
| 15:55.37 | BeatsMe | !printing |
| 15:55.37 | dpkg | somebody said printer was a device that allows you to put things from your computer onto paper, envelopes, or whatever. don't forget to check http://www.linuxprinting.org, or a hardcopy output device. easy to set up using foomatic-gui or printconf |
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| 15:57.40 | troytroy | valdyn ok i examined processes and killed it |
| 15:57.46 | BeatsMe | <lilalinux> warst du in der tannenhof schule? |
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| 15:58.56 | duns_s | o.k. it seems that it has no impact, i get the error when i install in another folder inside the root filesystem, too |
| 15:59.12 | BeatsMe | foomatic-gui |
| 15:59.40 | troytroy | valdyn http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21713/ |
| 15:59.54 | troytroy | valdyn any clues what could be going wrong |
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| 16:01.08 | duns_s | ping stew |
| 16:01.09 | earthian | hello |
| 16:01.12 | earthian | does anybody know how can I rotate a picture OR change *only one* page to landscape in openoffice.org writer?? |
| 16:01.37 | earthian | #openoffice.org is silent as graveyard :/ |
| 16:01.52 | earthian | and i know you should be able to use it |
| 16:02.13 | yoshio | rabbit7: when you did "dpkg -l grub grub2", did it show grub or grub2? if grub2, I would suggesting grabbing the version from unstable, and trying that, as http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=422459 says that the problem with everything being on one device is fixed |
| 16:02.24 | earthian | not *be able* but * be * |
| 16:03.19 | rabbit7 | yoshio: its not grub2 its grub |
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| 16:04.33 | yoshio | rabbit7: the other problem with menu.lst being deleted was reported for grub2. I guess I should look at problem reports for grub instead of grub2. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=grub |
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| 16:08.24 | duns_s | can i force to resume on mount failure |
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| 16:09.35 | duns_s | can anybody help me, please? |
| 16:09.55 | mrsn0 | duns_s only if you ask a question |
| 16:10.13 | mrsn0 | oh i see you have, nm |
| 16:10.14 | duns_s | can i force to resume on mount failure? |
| 16:10.26 | duns_s | i mean debootstrap |
| 16:10.27 | mrsn0 | what failure are you getting exacty ? |
| 16:10.34 | duns_s | permission denied |
| 16:10.41 | duns_s | mount: permission denied |
| 16:11.16 | stew | 10:35 < stew> duns_s: what does "ls -l /debian/bin/mount" say? |
| 16:11.23 | mrsn0 | strange, is it mounting with noexec ? |
| 16:11.33 | duns_s | -rwsr-xr-x |
| 16:11.36 | mrsn0 | ah i see you have been talking with others already, /me shufflles away |
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| 16:12.29 | stew | duns_s: are you positive that its not mounted noexec? |
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| 16:13.07 | mc__ | can i tell bash someone to ignore meta-characters? i mean,if i give "foo" as an argument to a programm,bash only gives foo. May i somehow disable that? |
| 16:13.08 | duns_s | dev/hda3 on /debian type ext3 (rw) |
| 16:13.17 | stew | duns_s: what about / ? |
| 16:13.32 | stew | hmm, dunno if that would matter or not |
| 16:13.35 | stew | duns_s: you might strace it |
| 16:13.37 | BeatsMe2 | how do i get access to my printer, i can like half way set it up but then it wants a User password to test... but the user password doesnt work |
| 16:13.40 | duns_s | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:14.25 | valdyn | mc__: cant understand what you are asking |
| 16:14.58 | BeatsMe2 | !foo |
| 16:14.58 | dpkg | i guess foo is probably the first metasyntactic variable, it's a placeholder for some other term. See <http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/F/foo.html> and <bar>, also read RFC3092. |
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| 16:16.56 | mc__ | valdyn: alright, i got a programm which pipes some output to another program. The output is code with lots of "",\ and so on in it. now if there is something like printf("foo"); in the code,the second programm only sees printf(foo); |
| 16:18.04 | duns_s | oh i got it |
| 16:18.16 | duns_s | i've enabled grsec chroot patches in gentoo |
| 16:18.39 | troytroy | what is the default mysql database_sock_path |
| 16:19.08 | petemc | troytroy: /var/run/mysqld/ |
| 16:19.49 | duns_s | sry to bug you for stupid problems |
| 16:19.55 | xingu | mc__: '...' is your tool for inserting literals; there's no specific shell option to turn off quoting/ parsing |
| 16:20.03 | troytroy | petemc thanks application gave default as database_sock_path=/tmp/mysql.sock |
| 16:20.09 | mc__ | xingu: literals? |
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| 16:20.22 | troytroy | petemc should i correct it |
| 16:20.29 | xingu | mc__: echo '"foo"' |
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| 16:21.23 | xingu | mc__: obviously, ['] itself must be escaped; echo '"'\''"' |
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| 16:21.29 | petemc | troytroy: only if you want it to be able to talk to the database |
| 16:22.21 | justin420 | !beryl-svn |
| 16:22.25 | xingu | mc__: at this level you probably want perl's qw() operator, not bourne shell. |
| 16:23.17 | justin420 | anybody using beryl-svn on debian etch? would you mind sharing what your using for a repo? |
| 16:24.37 | xingu | mc__: s/qw/qq/ |
| 16:24.52 | mc__ | xingu: im not using perl |
| 16:24.53 | mfrisch | justin420: do a search on debian beryl there is a wiki with the sources |
| 16:25.04 | wols | !beryl |
| 16:25.05 | dpkg | beryl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager), HOWTO and links to package repositories are here: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Debian |
| 16:25.37 | xingu | mc__: I realise this... |
| 16:25.43 | mrsn0 | justin yes but on sid |
| 16:25.46 | wols | mc__: how is your stuff called? command1 > command2? |
| 16:26.03 | mc__ | wols: command1 | command2 |
| 16:26.12 | wols | oops. of course |
| 16:26.20 | xingu | mc__: actually perl's \q, \e escapes are what you're after, and bourne shell lacks them. |
| 16:26.29 | wols | I didn't think this would go via bash. why does it? |
| 16:27.07 | wols | xingu: why wouldn't stdout of the one process be directly stdout of the other. where is bash coming in here? |
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| 16:28.11 | gonzaloaf | hi, where are all the boot log messages? |
| 16:28.16 | xingu | wols: I'm assuming that the example given - quote stripping of printf("foo") - necessarily must be sent as a literal into the pipe and parsed |
| 16:28.27 | wols | gonzaloaf: /var/log/messages syslog, kern.log |
| 16:28.28 | xingu | wols: otherwise the question is nonsensical |
| 16:28.44 | xingu | then again, it is sunday :) |
| 16:29.03 | wols | xingu: same here which is why I asked about how the commands are chained, but using normal | and doing it via bash? |
| 16:29.06 | wols | why? |
| 16:29.27 | xingu | wols, mc__: agree; confusing; paste, examples. |
| 16:29.45 | gonzaloaf | wols, nop.... I mean I want to see all messages and ouputs that I reveiced while my debian was loading |
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| 16:30.17 | wols | gonzaloaf: no other way. either in's in /var/log or it doesnot exist |
| 16:30.17 | wols | # |
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| 16:31.09 | gonzaloaf | wols, there were some failed process while I was booting..... so theres no way to check what happened? |
| 16:31.12 | mc__ | ah i was able to fix it now. i put ' ' instead of "" around the output of command1 |
| 16:31.42 | wols | gonzaloaf: syslog |
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| 16:32.00 | Octopus | Hi, I have made a Linux LVM fs earlier which combined 2 of my disks to one big storage partition |
| 16:32.05 | Octopus | Hi, I have made a Linux LVM fs earlier which combined 2 of my disks to one big storage partition. But I'm wondering, when I open cfdisk now, it only shows that LVM (sda1) and it doesnt show my primary one where my debian fs is running on |
| 16:32.18 | Octopus | And on that filesystem I would like to make an extra partition, HFS |
| 16:32.21 | xingu | mc__: nb, if string escaping is already an issue, the odds are pretty good that your shellscript may have a viable injection attack vector. |
| 16:32.29 | Octopus | How can I make it appear in cfdisk? |
| 16:33.22 | mc__ | xingu: yeah,but now not anymore i hope? |
| 16:33.37 | mc__ | xingu: are you famliar with ruby? the code i use looks like this `echo '#{@paste.body}' | enscript --header=none --color --language=html -E#{@paste.lang}` |
| 16:33.41 | Wyzard | Octopus: LVM logical volumes aren't partitions |
| 16:33.59 | xingu | mc__: what happens if the first script produces '`nastycommand`;init6;' on its output? :) |
| 16:34.19 | gonzaloaf | wols, I find this information as soon as I boot right? |
| 16:34.26 | Octopus | OK Wyzard: so how come that I don't get the original fs my debian os is running on in cfdisk |
| 16:34.29 | Wyzard | Octopus: In fdisk you see the partition which serves as a physical volume for LVM |
| 16:34.29 | Octopus | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 16:34.32 | Octopus | /dev/hdc1 144G 2.4G 135G 2% / |
| 16:34.39 | mc__ | xingu: lets see |
| 16:34.43 | xingu | mc__: nope, I don't do ruby; penetration of it is too low to be interesting to me |
| 16:34.45 | wols | gonzaloaf: every log line has a timestamp. check for yourself |
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| 16:35.05 | Octopus | Wyzard: What would be the arguments to show in fdisk |
| 16:35.18 | Wyzard | Octopus: Well, if you're running fdisk on /dev/sda, of course you're not going to see partitions on /dev/hdc |
| 16:35.22 | BeatsMe2 | how do i set my printer so i can use it as user |
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| 16:35.31 | xingu | mc__: I've only recently been convinced that there's enough systems with perl installed to bother with it. :) |
| 16:35.36 | Octopus | no but I mean, |
| 16:35.59 | Octopus | What fdisk command would I need to use to make an extra partition on the disk i'm currently running my only os debian on? |
| 16:36.07 | mc__ | xingu: well,but ruby is becomin more popular very fast |
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| 16:36.46 | mc__ | xingu: damm,it really gets executed |
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| 16:37.41 | xingu | mc__: so this is why I'm suggesting that now is a good time to learn about something other than bourne shell; even here documents (<<) are parsed. |
| 16:37.57 | Wyzard | Octopus: In cfdisk you'd use the "new" command at the bottom of the screen |
| 16:38.06 | Wyzard | Octopus: but you need to have some free space to create the partition in |
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| 16:38.15 | mc__ | xingu: im not really using the shell,i write in ruby but i just wanted to pipe that around cause i was lazy |
| 16:38.17 | Octopus | I hae |
| 16:38.19 | Octopus | have |
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| 16:38.34 | mc__ | but now i think it would be better to write the first output to a file and read it from there |
| 16:38.36 | xingu | mc__: rewrite in pure ruby then is the suggestion |
| 16:38.38 | schasi | how is the program called you can partition and format your harddisk with? |
| 16:38.50 | mc__ | schasi: cfdisk |
| 16:38.53 | schasi | the one looking like partition magic |
| 16:38.55 | Octopus | eh Wyzard: I don't see the New command in cfdisk cursor based |
| 16:38.59 | xingu | mc__: that sounds like a good idea; I hope that ruby has tmpfile(3) |
| 16:39.12 | Wyzard | Octopus: It only appears when the cursor is over some free space |
| 16:39.47 | vezult | ok...I'm a complete idiot. I did chsh -s /usr/bin/scponly; as root rather than rather than chsh -s /usr/bin/scponly <username>. |
| 16:39.57 | mc__ | xingu: does perl have it? i just know tmpfile from php |
| 16:40.20 | xingu | mc__: it ought to, it's posix.1 |
| 16:40.23 | vezult | I've disabled root ssh... |
| 16:40.52 | vezult | is there any way to fix this remotely? |
| 16:41.28 | mc__ | vezult: log in as normal user and then do a 'su' ? |
| 16:41.34 | Wyzard | Octopus: You mentioned LVM earlier... maybe you want to create a new LVM logical volume rather than a plain partition? |
| 16:41.43 | yoshio | rabbit7: I don't see any likely reports for grub, you can report your bug, see http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting . to recover your system, you can copy files from /usr/lib/grub to /boot/grub, then do a rescue disk thing to get grub to write new config files |
| 16:41.45 | xingu | vezult: scp /etc/passwd to local, edit, scp back? |
| 16:41.46 | vezult | mc__: nope. I've tried that. scp doesn't allow that |
| 16:41.53 | BeatsMe2 | how do i add user to cups? |
| 16:42.22 | SerajewelKS | is anyone aware of a console app i can use to edit a GPG-encrypted file on the fly? there is a plugin i've used for vim but there are some bugs that get irritating |
| 16:42.25 | vezult | xingu: I've disabled ssh for root. |
| 16:42.35 | xingu | vezult: own goal |
| 16:42.35 | Octopus | No Wyzard: I just have 3 disks, of 2 disks I have made that LVM, and the other one my linux ext3 boot fs is running on <-- On that one I would like to create one more partition with approx 50 gig space (HFS) |
| 16:42.47 | vezult | xingu: oh, you mean: su -c 'scp foo /etc/passwd' or something? |
| 16:43.18 | SerajewelKS | also, seahorse-agent crashes after i ssh into a host, forcing me to use 'SSH_AUTH_SOCK= ssh' every time after. how can i prevent seahorse from being my ssh agent? i never asked it to be and i don't want it. |
| 16:43.27 | xingu | vezult: whatever works, yes; or possibly su -s /bin/bash root |
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| 16:43.38 | yoshio | rabbit7: or check out grub2 and see if that works any better |
| 16:43.43 | Wyzard | Octopus: Well, in that case the two LVM disks are irrelevant, and you need to have 50GB of unpartitioned space on your hdc |
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| 16:44.32 | gonzaloaf | when mounting ntfs/vfat partitions, the iocharset utf8 guarantee of reading iso8859-1 charsets? |
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| 16:45.07 | kombi_ | I'm on etch but need asterisk 1.4, is there a backport? |
| 16:45.15 | Octopus | Wyzard: I have 140 unpartitioned, and in that I would make the extra fs, |
| 16:45.19 | Octopus | How do I do that? |
| 16:45.58 | rabbit7 | yoshio: thanks for your help i figured out that i am lusing lilo |
| 16:46.00 | unlink | why doesn't my ipod show up in banshee? |
| 16:46.02 | rabbit7 | not grub |
| 16:46.08 | rabbit7 | system still doesnt boot thought |
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| 16:46.36 | unlink | i can see it with the ipod --list command |
| 16:46.58 | vezult | xingu: that doesn't work either. Dammit. I don't think I've ever done something quite this dumb. |
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| 16:47.10 | Wyzard | Octopus: Highlight the unpartitioned space in cfdisk and use the New command |
| 16:47.15 | hburchey | How can I get a list of the files that a package will install? |
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| 16:47.38 | xingu | vezult: does "su -s /bin/bash root" work? |
| 16:48.00 | BeatsMe2 | !cups |
| 16:48.00 | dpkg | cups is, like, a spiffy new printing system. or available under the GPL since june 1999., or making loads of trouble if you try to use it, or available at http://www.cups.org (or so says http://www.easysw.com), or see cups-unstable, or http://localhost:631/admin, or see cups setup |
| 16:48.30 | vezult | xingu: no |
| 16:49.07 | xingu | vezult: most odd; will run a quick experiment here. |
| 16:49.09 | assasukasse | hi all, i was wondering, if i chmod a folder in /mnt to my user, would this cause system problems, security flaws and so on? |
| 16:49.14 | vezult | xingu: I lied. I did -c instead of -s |
| 16:49.25 | vezult | xingu: that works, many thanks! |
| 16:49.46 | xingu | !customer |
| 16:49.46 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 16:50.00 | mc__ | lol |
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| 16:50.10 | gonzaloaf | Hi, How can I set all my kernel to boot wit the vga=791 option? I have set the kopt parameter in menu.lst and the defoptions parameter but still cant get it working |
| 16:50.35 | Wyzard | gonzaloaf: Run update-grub after editing the kopt line |
| 16:50.36 | vezult | I thought I had tried --shell before..but apparently not, that's a life saver! |
| 16:50.48 | xingu | vezult: of course the best way to learn these answers is to blow your own feet of regularly - which explains how I knew about it. |
| 16:51.14 | Wyzard | gonzaloaf: That commented-out kopt line doesn't actually do anything by itself; update-grub uses it when generating the actual boot stanzas farther down in the file |
| 16:51.52 | gonzaloaf | Wyzard, this is my kopt line: # kopt=root=/dev/hda3 ro vga=791 is that correct? |
| 16:52.02 | Octopus | Wyzard: That is just my whole case, |
| 16:52.04 | Octopus | It DOESNT show that |
| 16:52.06 | Wyzard | gonzaloaf: looks right to me |
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| 16:52.14 | Octopus | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:52.14 | Octopus | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:52.14 | Octopus | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:52.18 | Octopus | thats the only thing |
| 16:52.22 | Octopus | that gets shown in fdisk |
| 16:52.25 | Octopus | CFDISK |
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| 16:52.27 | Octopus | i ment |
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| 16:52.45 | Wyzard | Octopus: That's because you're running cfdisk on sda |
| 16:52.52 | Wyzard | Octopus: so it only shows you the partitions on sda |
| 16:53.03 | yang | I get some weird message on /dev/hdd it won't read the medium - http://paste.debian.net/28415 |
| 16:53.04 | Wyzard | Octopus: You're trying to create a partition on sdc |
| 16:53.06 | gonzaloaf | Wyzard, thanks |
| 16:53.28 | Octopus | Wyzard: No, so how would I run it for /dev/hdc1 |
| 16:53.37 | Wyzard | Octopus: cfdisk /dev/hdc |
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| 16:53.56 | Octopus | ok, thanks |
| 16:54.10 | gonzaloaf | Wyzard, what is defoptions intended for? |
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| 16:54.37 | gonzaloaf | Wyzard, do I have to use kopt or defoptions? |
| 16:54.46 | purplepenguins | is there a decent spreadsheet app that doesn't require gnome or kde? |
| 16:54.53 | yang | It mounts on CD-rom, but not on a DVD-rom ? |
| 16:54.57 | Wyzard | gonzaloaf: "additional options to use with the default boot option, but not with the alternatives" |
| 16:55.15 | Wyzard | gonzaloaf: The "alternatives" are the "single-user mode" entry |
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| 16:55.22 | twisted` | ey, I'm having some trouble getting started with evms, evmsn spits out some errors, resolved a few but one I can't seem to solve. It tells me: Engine: The plug-in Linux-HA in module /lib/evms/2.5.5/ha-1.1.1.so failed to load. The plug-in's setup_evms_plugin() function failed with error code 19: No such device. |
| 16:55.46 | twisted` | Googling doesn't really... give much info since it's all referring to SLES and some SLES dependency... |
| 16:55.52 | Octopus | Wyzard: Now i'm running cfdisk for hdc, the only thing i see is |
| 16:55.52 | Octopus | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:55.52 | Octopus | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:56.00 | Octopus | and not free space: etc |
| 16:56.01 | Octopus | or something |
| 16:56.07 | gonzaloaf | Wyzard, so I have to use the kopt option |
| 16:56.09 | Wyzard | gonzaloaf: You'd use defoptions if you wanted your framebuffer setting to apply only to the "normal" boot entry, and not to the "single-user" alternative option |
| 16:56.14 | Octopus | How can I show that, I have from those 156gig like 150 free |
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| 16:56.30 | Wyzard | Octopus: then you don't have 140GB of unpartitioned space |
| 16:56.37 | Octopus | yep |
| 16:56.39 | Octopus | true |
| 16:56.44 | Octopus | so how could I create that |
| 16:56.54 | Wyzard | Octopus: You have lots of free filesystem space within your hdc1 partition |
| 16:57.07 | Octopus | yes, but im trying to make a new partition for another os |
| 16:57.08 | teksimian | hey, Im installing from a usb drive. the installer boots, finds the iso, mounts it, but then says it failed. the log files says iso-scan: Found ISO ./netinst.iso on /dev/scsi/host2/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 Debian ISO not usable, skipping |
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| 16:57.23 | Wyzard | Octopus: You'd have to shrink the hdc1 partition and the filesystem within it |
| 16:57.31 | Octopus | ok, |
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| 16:57.37 | Octopus | any idea how i could do that best? |
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| 16:58.19 | Wyzard | Octopus: You could use a tool such as parted |
| 16:58.21 | wols | Octopus: shrink filesystem then shrink partition |
| 16:58.39 | Wyzard | Octopus: or do it manually with an ext3 resizer and fdisk, but that's more tedious |
| 16:58.43 | Octopus | ok will google some |
| 16:58.45 | Octopus | thnx |
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| 17:01.20 | tls_81 | home sweet home |
| 17:01.35 | tls_81 | just spent 10 minutes on ubuntu channel |
| 17:01.37 | tls_81 | lmao |
| 17:01.45 | tls_81 | lmfao |
| 17:01.58 | mc__ | !lmao |
| 17:01.58 | dpkg | [lmao] laughing my ass off, or see lol |
| 17:02.29 | lontra | anyone know how to handle a .docx file? |
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| 17:02.50 | lontra | it seems to be an archive file of sorts ... but oo.org2 won't play with it |
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| 17:02.59 | selam | hi i want to install nvidia driver on my debian unstable box and i am try with m-a but one lineer command is not compile with kernel 2.6.20 or 2.6.18 |
| 17:03.06 | Octopus | Wyzard/Wols: resize2fs be used on a mounted filesystem? |
| 17:03.10 | Octopus | can't* |
| 17:03.31 | Wyzard | Octopus: nope |
| 17:03.35 | selam | how can install nvidia driver ? paravirt_opts ? |
| 17:03.39 | tls_81 | !lmao@mc___ |
| 17:03.40 | Octopus | So there is no way to do it now? |
| 17:03.48 | Wyzard | selam: Don't use 2.6.20 |
| 17:03.50 | Octopus | As this is the only partition debian os is running on |
| 17:03.58 | Wyzard | selam: or compile a custom 2.6.20 that doesn't have paravirt enabled |
| 17:04.23 | Wyzard | Octopus: You'll need to use some sort of other bootable media, like the Debian rescue CD or Ubuntu liveCD or something |
| 17:04.24 | selam | Wyzard: is work on 2.6.18 ? |
| 17:04.29 | Octopus | ok |
| 17:04.36 | Wyzard | selam: yes, 2.6.18 doesn't have paravirt |
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| 17:04.47 | Octopus | Any good scenario you know of how I can do that? |
| 17:04.52 | Wyzard | selam: and 2.6.22 will have that paravirt bug fixed (it wasn't supposed to be marked GPL-only in the first place) |
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| 17:05.52 | lontra | is there a docx converter for linux? |
| 17:05.52 | selam | Wyzard: ok i'll try with 2.6.18 but i want to asking about paravirt, what is this options, what is mean? |
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| 17:06.44 | Wyzard | selam: It's a paravirtualization feature that provides better performance when running in a virtualized environment that supports it -- currently only VMware 6, but eventually Xen will probably support it too |
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| 17:08.24 | selam | Wyzard: ok thanks for answers |
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| 17:10.39 | ma3x | you know any site with cool greeting cards? |
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| 17:11.08 | cahoot | heard of google? |
| 17:11.15 | kombi_ | ma3x: you know that you are on a debian channel? |
| 17:11.31 | gonzaloaf | hello I have installed network-manager-gnome but how can I make it works? |
| 17:11.34 | ma3x | ah right :p |
| 17:11.45 | gonzaloaf | I still see the common network monitor applet |
| 17:12.02 | cahoot | gonzaloaf: comment out allbut lo in interfaces |
| 17:12.05 | kombi_ | is there some way to go from stable to testing without re-install? |
| 17:12.14 | klync | can anyone help me get mpd set up correctly from the init script? i can run it as my normal user, but can't see why it won't play if i start it from init |
| 17:12.20 | cahoot | s/allbut/all but/ |
| 17:12.35 | ma3x | kombi_, edit your sources.list and dist-upgrade |
| 17:12.38 | maddog39_ | hello im having more problems with debian on PowerPC if anyone knows me from the other day |
| 17:12.39 | klync | i can provide more details if anyone cares |
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| 17:12.55 | gonzaloaf | cahoot, then? |
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| 17:13.24 | maddog39_ | today i booted up my computer and logged in and everything fails to start: gnome-panel and 90% of its applets crash and it gives me a billion dialogs asking to delete them |
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| 17:13.41 | maddog39_ | and nautilus refuses to start because of some sort of bonobo problem |
| 17:13.46 | cahoot | gonzaloaf: see if restarting network is enough (I'm not sure) |
| 17:13.51 | maddog39_ | gnome-settings-daemon also fails to start |
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| 17:14.12 | gonzaloaf | cahoot, comment just all lo entries? or all the interfaces file? |
| 17:14.31 | cahoot | gonzaloaf: comment out all entries *but* lo in interfaces |
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| 17:15.14 | klync | maddog39_: think it's related to your problems from the other day? do you think it's ppc specific or have you been trying weird things? what's your /etc/apt/sources.list say? |
| 17:15.25 | gonzaloaf | cahoot, I will try rebooting |
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| 17:16.31 | maddog39_ | klync, i had this SAME problem on ubuntu a while back with gnome 2.14 on dapper and never resolved the problem |
| 17:16.48 | maddog39_ | its a GNOME 2.14 bug and i could never figure out the problem |
| 17:16.58 | maddog39_ | im in fluxbox right now |
| 17:17.04 | klync | maddog39_: have you installed anything from source, outside the pkg management system? |
| 17:17.28 | maddog39_ | klync, ummm one thing, yes i installed gnash 0.7.2 |
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| 17:17.53 | gonzaloaf | cahoot, it still doesnt work |
| 17:18.22 | klync | maddog39_: did the gnash installer put all it's stuff in /usr/local or /opt? or is there any chance it overwrote a file in, e.g. /usr/lib/ |
| 17:18.57 | maddog39_ | klync, make install put everything under /usr/local |
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| 17:19.41 | rambo3 | !seen God |
| 17:19.41 | dpkg | god <i=SLLs_esL@201008066220.user.veloxzone.com.br> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 501d 30m 47s ago, saying: 'is it true that debian can be used for web servers??'. |
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| 17:21.23 | klync | maddog39_: well, idunno if gnome 2.14 has ppc specific bugs, but you could try stopping X and run `ldconfig` as root ... see if your system's mapping of its libs is up to date (you can backup /etc/ld.so* beforehand if you're at all nervous about this) |
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| 17:22.16 | maddog39_ | klync, last time i had this problem it was on x86 |
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| 17:23.33 | scud_ | hello, Alsa dosn't detect my onboard sound, i have had this chip working before with a previous installation. but not this time, what could this be? |
| 17:23.55 | maddog39_ | is there a meta package similar to ubuntu-desktop that will manage all dependencies for the GNOME desktop under debian? |
| 17:24.29 | bytekode | gnome-core ? |
| 17:24.33 | bytekode | or is it gnome-base |
| 17:24.37 | klync | maddog39_: yes, it's called "gnome" ;) |
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| 17:26.16 | yoshio | maddog39_: there is gnome-core and gnome-desktop-environment |
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| 17:27.13 | maddog39_ | im going to purge gnome and install kde, this is rediculous |
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| 17:27.41 | maddog39_ | im constantly having issues with gnome on this laptop |
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| 17:28.05 | schme | Or. purge gnome, do not install KDE. |
| 17:28.52 | jabka | how do i use alien to work with other arch then mine : im using amd64 an i need to convert i386 |
| 17:28.57 | maddog39_ | i cant use fluxbox on a powerbook without a mouse |
| 17:29.03 | maddog39_ | i need a real desktop |
| 17:29.17 | aadil | TWM? |
| 17:29.19 | aadil | :> |
| 17:29.26 | wols | ion |
| 17:29.36 | maddog39_ | they all require right click lol |
| 17:29.45 | klync | ion doesn't :) |
| 17:29.45 | maddog39_ | Apple PowerBook = one click button |
| 17:29.54 | simonrvn | @tell maddog39_ -about 3 buttons |
| 17:29.55 | schme | maddog39_: ratpoison. |
| 17:29.55 | wols | ion does what? |
| 17:30.06 | schme | Isn't ion removed? |
| 17:30.13 | schme | from the repositories that is. |
| 17:30.50 | wols | !find ion2 etch |
| 17:30.51 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'ion2' (4): ion2 ;; ion2-dev ;; ion2-doc ;; libevolution2.0-cil. |
| 17:31.11 | simonrvn | maddog39_: something like this: dev.mac_hid.mouse_button_emulation=1 dev.mac_hid.mouse_button2_keycode=99 dev.mac_hid.mouse_button3_keycode=70 |
| 17:31.15 | hark | it's in non-free now :) |
| 17:31.21 | schme | Oh. ion2 is there. |
| 17:31.29 | schme | Yeah. ion3 was removed. |
| 17:31.30 | hark | !info ion3 |
| 17:31.49 | wols | hark: both are in main in sid |
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| 17:31.51 | wols | so I doubt it |
| 17:31.53 | maddog39_ | simonrvn, where do i put that? |
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| 17:32.11 | simonrvn | /etc/sysctl.conf to keep it 'permanent' |
| 17:32.17 | schme | wols: It is in non-free in sid too. |
| 17:32.23 | hark | !+info ion3 sid |
| 17:32.28 | wols | Filename: pool/main/i/ion3/ion3_20070318-2_i386.deb |
| 17:32.33 | simonrvn | maddog39_: you'll have to experiment a bit, those are for F11 and F12 |
| 17:32.40 | schme | wols: That does not agree with debian.org |
| 17:33.03 | h3sp4wn | 990 http://ftp2.de.debian.org sid/non-free Packages |
| 17:33.52 | schme | !find ion3 sid |
| 17:33.53 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'ion3' (6): ion3 ;; ion3-dev ;; ion3-doc ;; ion3-mod-ionflux ;; ion3-mod-xinerama ;; ion3-scripts. |
| 17:33.58 | schme | meh. |
| 17:34.15 | simonrvn | maddog39_: you don't have to reboot to try them, just run (sudo) sysctl -p |
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| 17:34.44 | maddog39_ | simonrvn, but i get sysctl command doesnt exists |
| 17:34.48 | maddog39_ | exist* |
| 17:34.56 | simonrvn | do it as root then |
| 17:35.05 | simonrvn | su - |
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| 17:35.40 | simonrvn | though i would think sudo would be adding the sbin dirs to your PATH .. o_O |
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| 17:38.40 | kombi_ | what was the apt command again to get more information about a package? |
| 17:39.51 | simonrvn | apt-cache show perhaps? |
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| 17:40.02 | simonrvn | ;) |
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| 17:40.38 | SoulChild | Hey all, what do i need to connect my mobilephone via infrared on my debian etch notebook ? |
| 17:41.31 | wols | !irda |
| 17:41.32 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, irda is (InfraRed Data Association) These people developed the IRDA port standard that transfers data through the use of infrared light. Of course, you must have two IRDA devices to get any real use out of this technology. Most notebooks today come standard with this port and some printers do as well. It's handy if you road warriors want to print a document and you've got all the right stuff. |
| 17:41.53 | wols | SoulChild: there is the "laptop" task which has some itils for it afaik |
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| 17:42.11 | SoulChild | wols,.. laptop task? |
| 17:42.12 | killown | I dont get install programs >> error debconf: DbDriver "config": could not open /var/cache/debconf/config.dat |
| 17:42.19 | wols | man tasksel |
| 17:42.23 | killown | somebody help me? |
| 17:42.38 | SoulChild | killown: installed as root ? |
| 17:42.40 | killown | directory debconf was erased |
| 17:42.43 | killown | SoulChild, yes |
| 17:42.50 | SoulChild | hmmm no idea then :D |
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| 17:43.11 | wols | killown: create it again |
| 17:43.12 | fenix | hi all ! |
| 17:43.17 | killown | wols how? |
| 17:43.18 | fenix | anybody knows anything about Mouse emulation in X ? (via keyboard) |
| 17:43.22 | killown | how i do it Wolfete |
| 17:43.37 | wols | including the other files in there |
| 17:43.39 | wols | config.dat config.dat-old passwords.dat templates.dat templates.dat-old |
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| 17:43.52 | wols | killown: man touch |
| 17:43.57 | killown | thanks a lot |
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| 17:44.08 | wols | killown: no guarantee it will work |
| 17:44.16 | wols | and: what did you do to delete this dir? |
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| 17:44.27 | kombi_ | I still confuses me, which has the most up to date packages, unstable? |
| 17:44.27 | killown | accident |
| 17:44.41 | killown | wols I dont get remove debconf for reinstall |
| 17:44.45 | wols | kombi_: yes |
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| 17:45.08 | wols | killown: what are youe xactly trying to do? why remove it? |
| 17:45.15 | wols | debconf is essential. you can't remove it |
| 17:45.19 | killown | wols install postfix |
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| 17:46.40 | lontra | !tell Lesbian[away] about away |
| 17:46.44 | wols | I meant when you said: 19:44 < killown> wols I dont get remove debconf for reinstall |
| 17:48.01 | simonrvn | lontra: nick change doesn't warrant that, it's the public away messages like "away: taking a shower" or "away: walking my cat" |
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| 17:50.50 | lontra | simonrvn, oh you're right ... |
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| 17:52.14 | simonrvn | no biggie |
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| 17:53.22 | Skoal | anyone know of a way to see exactly what a package extract and does before apt-getting it? |
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| 17:54.43 | avtobiff | Skoal, http://packages.debian.org/ or use apt-file |
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| 17:55.13 | lontra | apt-file does that too? |
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| 17:56.45 | yetifoot | !dpkg USB install |
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| 17:57.39 | robin_z | I wish I understood the 'rename' command :( |
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| 17:58.36 | xingu | robin_z: seems pretty self explanatory from the manpage? |
| 17:58.43 | yetifoot | anyone know how i can get dpkg to tell me about installing from a USB flash drive thingy |
| 17:58.43 | rambo3 | !regex |
| 17:58.44 | dpkg | regex is, like, tutorial at http://weblogtoolscollection.com/regex/regex.php |
| 17:59.16 | xingu | !usb-install |
| 17:59.16 | dpkg | well, usb-install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian (sarge) from a USB stick (commonly referred to as a thumbdrive or usb key, among others) as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: http://d-i.pascal.at/ or http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian |
| 17:59.20 | xingu | like that? |
| 17:59.30 | robin_z | xingu, yeah, it is .. I was trying rename -h which was not clear |
| 17:59.32 | robin_z | thansk anyway |
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| 18:00.06 | yetifoot | xing thanks, i think so |
| 18:00.11 | KyleH | upon joining this channel - I was just spammed with a "get porn here" pm |
| 18:00.28 | robin_z | KyleH, yeah, it happens |
| 18:00.41 | robin_z | if the porn is any good, let us know |
| 18:00.48 | KyleH | lol |
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| 18:01.06 | Skoal | damn what unix program edits the users groups? |
| 18:01.11 | simonrvn | which nick did it? |
| 18:01.14 | beeyatch | hello there, is it possible to avoid installing mysql-server-5.0 on debian testing? |
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| 18:01.43 | simonrvn | Skoal: look at vigr and vipw |
| 18:01.50 | xingu | Skoal: groupmod ? |
| 18:02.00 | simonrvn | also that ^^^ |
| 18:02.03 | KyleH | It was "lesbian[away]" |
| 18:02.11 | simonrvn | adduser comes to mind too |
| 18:02.21 | xingu | Skoal: useradd -G is the evil cousin. |
| 18:02.22 | Coweater | beeyatch: yes |
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| 18:02.29 | simonrvn | !ops Lesbian[away] is a spammer |
| 18:02.29 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: simonrvn complains about: Lesbian[away] is a spammer |
| 18:02.51 | SoulChild | is there anyone, who ever used infrared ? |
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| 18:03.05 | beeyatch | Coweater: you may would tell me how? :) |
| 18:03.09 | *** mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 18:03.11 | KyleH | simonrvn:. oh! that command is new to me |
| 18:03.36 | Coweater | beeyatch: i just didn't install it |
| 18:03.37 | simonrvn | thank you |
| 18:03.37 | *** mode/#debian [-o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 18:03.55 | mentor | I shouldn't try to operate a channel while standing upside down |
| 18:04.01 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 18:04.02 | beeyatch | Coweater: doh :o |
| 18:04.30 | klync | anyone running mpd from its init script? i can run it as the user i'm logged in as, but not as mpd |
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| 18:04.55 | beeyatch | i would like to install mysel-server-4.1 instead of 5.0 but it seems i cannot avoid the installation of both(?) |
| 18:04.57 | simonrvn | when i did, i always ran it from my user too |
| 18:05.00 | simonrvn | mpd |
| 18:05.09 | beeyatch | atleast apt-get install mysql-server-4.1 mysql-client-4.1 wants to install 5.0 TOO |
| 18:05.18 | wols | beeyatch: it is the same package |
| 18:05.33 | beeyatch | strange |
| 18:05.37 | simonrvn | beeyatch: um, and why would you want to? |
| 18:05.43 | klync | simonrvn: i see... it's not like i need to support multiple users, i just didn't want to have to add it to my session manually |
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| 18:05.56 | CptHowdy | hello all |
| 18:05.59 | CptHowdy | im looking for a good network server OS that can provide internet and shared storage to win machines. . . . any suggestions? |
| 18:06.10 | wols | Caelum: debian |
| 18:06.10 | beeyatch | simonrvn: seems like mysql5 removed the first chars on a couple of field values on my mysql4.1 dump |
| 18:06.18 | wols | CptHowdy: debian |
| 18:06.19 | klync | CptHowdy: debian |
| 18:06.32 | putridp | Server 2003? |
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| 18:06.38 | CptHowdy | im kinda new to linux |
| 18:06.41 | simonrvn | CptHowdy: look where you are, and you'll get one answer ;) |
| 18:06.48 | beeyatch | lol |
| 18:06.51 | CptHowdy | lol |
| 18:06.55 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:06.55 | beeyatch | awesome CptHowdy :P |
| 18:06.55 | CptHowdy | i gathered that |
| 18:06.59 | wols | CptHowdy: this channel is named #debian. we cannot tell you something else than use debian, duh! |
| 18:06.59 | simonrvn | / \ |
| 18:07.00 | foo | Hm, should a box with 4GB of RAM say 3291 total for Mem: when I do free -m? I don't think so. |
| 18:07.03 | simonrvn | damn |
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| 18:07.16 | wols | !tell foo about free memory |
| 18:07.41 | simonrvn | one straight non-joke answer anyway |
| 18:07.55 | wols | foo: and yes it shouldn't say that. it should say 0 bytes free ideally. but we don't live not in a ideal world unfortunately |
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| 18:08.04 | wols | tell the kernel devs to do better work :P |
| 18:08.28 | KyleH | Has anyone recently installed the nvidia drivers from aptitude? Any advice? |
| 18:08.41 | wols | !tell KyleH about nvidia one-liner |
| 18:08.41 | foo | wols: nah, that's cool. I wasn't too sure. hmm. |
| 18:08.56 | simonrvn | CptHowdy: a better one is try a few out, see what you like, but we'll recommend debian... tbh, i personally like debian best, but your choice is always yours to make |
| 18:09.10 | foo | wols: hm, my bad... I mean, the Total memory from free -m says 3291 |
| 18:09.15 | wols | foo: however if you mean that th box only has 3,2GB total memory, that's a BIOS or i386 issue most probably |
| 18:09.28 | Skoal | the owner and user of a recently mounted cdrom directory is 4294967295..... what the fuck could that be all about?!?! |
| 18:10.02 | wols | Skoal: it means the dir is owned by a user that has no entry in /etc/passwd |
| 18:10.16 | wols | Skoal: I'd check your harddisk and fs integrity _really_ carefully |
| 18:10.21 | klync | wols: i didn't think uid could go that high |
| 18:10.23 | simonrvn | yes |
| 18:10.34 | simonrvn | on checking fs |
| 18:10.38 | Skoal | when i try to chgrp and chown it, it says it was changed but when i ls -la it it didnt! |
| 18:10.52 | wols | Skoal: se what I told to do |
| 18:10.58 | wols | man fsck, man smartctl |
| 18:11.03 | Skoal | you think a fsck will fix that |
| 18:11.08 | SerajewelKS | what kinds of things will give the kernel random generator more entropy on a headless system? |
| 18:11.11 | foo | wols: Hm. ok. If it was a BIOS thing, I can see that, but an i386 thing... how would we fix that? |
| 18:11.11 | Skoal | damnnnnnnnn |
| 18:11.29 | wols | foo: by installing x86-64 |
| 18:11.47 | wols | i386 has by definition problems with RAM sizes nearing its physical limit |
| 18:12.06 | simonrvn | SerajewelKS: the best is hardware entropy gathering card, other ways are running find across /usr once in a while, some kernel patches |
| 18:12.11 | wols | but 3.6GV sgizkd ve diavke imho at the last |
| 18:12.15 | foo | wols: hm, looks like we have i686 now. And you're talking about the kernel, right? |
| 18:12.26 | wols | foo: yes |
| 18:12.38 | wols | foo: first check is: does the BIOS report all 4GB? |
| 18:12.49 | klync | SerajewelKS:how about this: cat list-of-urls.txt | while read URL ; do wget $URL | md5sum ; done |
| 18:12.52 | simonrvn | by not using a crippled architecture |
| 18:13.04 | foo | wols: ok, and if it does, then it's a kernel thing, right? Makes sense |
| 18:13.09 | SerajewelKS | hmm, well gpg is complaining that it doesn't have enough entropy |
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| 18:13.19 | SerajewelKS | i've messed with quite a bit of crap and it's not moving |
| 18:13.28 | simonrvn | SerajewelKS: hit your modifier keys a lot |
| 18:13.38 | wols | simonrvn: headless |
| 18:13.42 | simonrvn | so? |
| 18:13.55 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: so... i don't have a keyboard hooked up |
| 18:14.02 | simonrvn | maybe he has a key attached to it ;) |
| 18:14.07 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: i'm ircing from it though |
| 18:14.10 | simonrvn | ok maybe not |
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| 18:14.13 | klync | SerajewelKS: `makewhatis`? |
| 18:14.18 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: i'd thing irssi + screen + ssh would be enough |
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| 18:14.37 | foo | wols: And if BIOS doesn't report 4GB, then it's a hardware thing |
| 18:14.38 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: i just ran find across /usr and gpg is still not moving |
| 18:14.39 | rambo3 | and sl , for fun |
| 18:14.47 | simonrvn | i run find /usr -iname '*foo*' -- that's usually enough |
| 18:14.57 | wols | foo: no. it's still a software thing, but BIOS software |
| 18:15.00 | simonrvn | gotta let it run a bit ;) |
| 18:15.07 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: i did let it run |
| 18:15.10 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: it completed |
| 18:15.11 | Ackbar | anyone know of the best way to run fsck on a mounted filesystem? i was thinking of using a gentoo livecd but is there a better way? |
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| 18:15.23 | wols | Ackbar: remount it ro |
| 18:15.25 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: gpg says it needs 292 bytes.. how long can it take to generate that much? |
| 18:15.26 | foo | wols: I see |
| 18:15.29 | simonrvn | do it again |
| 18:15.31 | Ackbar | ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 18:15.37 | Ackbar | good idea |
| 18:15.39 | simonrvn | doesn't take much to generate 292 bytes |
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| 18:15.52 | foo | wols: Ok, so, if BIOS != 4GB, probably flash BIOS with newer BIOS, if it does, then upgrade kernel - right? |
| 18:16.04 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: so i would have expected gpg to move by now |
| 18:16.13 | wols | BIOS usually has options to make it see 4GB |
| 18:16.21 | foo | wols: oh, I see |
| 18:16.23 | simonrvn | do this: sysctl kernel.random.entropy_avail |
| 18:16.26 | rabbit7 | is there a way to stop lvm ? |
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| 18:17.13 | simonrvn | run it in watch, while doing the find or something that'll generate entropy or use it |
| 18:17.38 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: i just ran find alongside gpg |
| 18:17.42 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: it still complains |
| 18:18.00 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: this smells like a bug to me |
| 18:18.20 | simonrvn | so make some then run gpg again |
| 18:18.26 | SerajewelKS | kernel.random.entropy_avail = 58 |
| 18:18.36 | simonrvn | holy smokes |
| 18:18.53 | simonrvn | on a generic kernel max is 4096 |
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| 18:19.18 | SerajewelKS | when i ran a ton of crap the number shrank |
| 18:19.29 | SerajewelKS | so maybe gpg just warns once, then assumes you know why it's not moving? |
| 18:19.47 | simonrvn | mouse or disk activity generates some |
| 18:19.57 | mentor | Awww, why can't there be a standard over-amplified thermal diode for entropy generation...? |
| 18:20.11 | SerajewelKS | so maybe `find / -type f -exec md5sum '{}' \; > /dev/null' would get me somewhere |
| 18:20.12 | simonrvn | some mobos have something for it |
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| 18:20.41 | foo | wols: but, if it's 4GB, the BIOS should see all 4GB, right? |
| 18:20.43 | simonrvn | they obviously don't have this problem ;) |
| 18:20.49 | SerajewelKS | granted that's probably somewhat deterministic |
| 18:21.02 | wols | foo: yes |
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| 18:21.31 | wols | foo: if it doesn't, it reports less RAM to the kernel of course in which case the kernel only uses the reported amount |
| 18:21.31 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: well running that one-liner is making gpg move a bit |
| 18:21.33 | mentor | SerajewelKS: yeah, but IO access latency isn't. |
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| 18:21.51 | wols | mentor: would netwrok traffic increase entropy too? |
| 18:22.06 | SerajewelKS | and maybe i should be running this on my non-headless 1.8ghz instead of my 766mhz headless server |
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| 18:22.15 | mentor | I'm not sure the kernel drivers are plugged into the net core |
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| 18:22.25 | simonrvn | er, you do that where you need it |
| 18:22.33 | simonrvn | mentor: there's a atch for it |
| 18:23.11 | foo | wols: gotcha, thank you |
| 18:23.11 | SerajewelKS | i mean i have amarok running on my desktop, that should be enough cpu usage for any entropy requirement ;) |
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| 18:23.46 | simonrvn | if it's not doing much disk activity, it won't |
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| 18:24.05 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: it should be doing some |
| 18:24.13 | SerajewelKS | gpg is moving faster here anyway |
| 18:24.19 | klync | SerajewelKS: my experience with amarok suggests that it consumes entropy ;P |
| 18:24.20 | sTb | Problem where do i find mysql.h? Running debian 4. find / -name mysql.h no result; ive installed mysql-* everything (apt-get install ); googled the ass up.... thanks for help in advance :) |
| 18:24.20 | simonrvn | and there are security implications with using net devs as an entropy source |
| 18:24.28 | SerajewelKS | klync: heh |
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| 18:24.57 | wols | sTb: apt-cache search mysql |grep dev |
| 18:25.07 | wols | you need the mysqlclient dev package most likely |
| 18:25.08 | SerajewelKS | i mean this is a 4096 bit key so i'd expect it to need quite a lot of random bytes |
| 18:25.14 | wols | !tell sTb about search |
| 18:26.00 | SerajewelKS | i wish i knew what the gpg ...+++<+>^^ crap meant :) |
| 18:26.23 | simonrvn | that's why i compromised and did a 3 KB key |
| 18:26.39 | SerajewelKS | well it's done |
| 18:26.45 | simonrvn | \o/ |
| 18:26.56 | sTb | damn thanks wols ^^ |
| 18:27.02 | DavidProck1981 | any one know what files are all ways in use and the most used, Im asking cause i was wondering if i could make a ram drive at each start up and copy them over and use them from there |
| 18:27.31 | SerajewelKS | DavidProck1981: there's an I/O cache in the kernel for that |
| 18:27.36 | wols | DavidProck1981: useless. you already have a cache |
| 18:28.14 | wols | DavidProck1981: with your scheme you need a cache _and_ a ramdisk. doubling the cache ram requirement and starving out the slightly less used files than your chosen list |
| 18:28.23 | SerajewelKS | ok someone tell me what i did wrong: gpg --no-options --no-default-keyring --keyring ./pubkeys --secret-keyring ./seckeys --list-key |
| 18:28.33 | SerajewelKS | gpg: fatal: /home/chris/.gnupg: directory does not exist! |
| 18:30.33 | SerajewelKS | isn't the point of --no-options that you don't need a ~/.gnupg? |
| 18:30.33 | wols | SerajewelKS: have you tried making ~/.gpg just for kicks? |
| 18:30.34 | wols | doesn't make much sense that it must have one tho |
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| 18:31.26 | DavidProck1981 | WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON |
| 18:31.26 | simonrvn | netsplit |
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| 18:31.27 | SerajewelKS | aha |
| 18:31.27 | SerajewelKS | the trust db |
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| 18:32.42 | foo | wols: Hmm. The package shipped with a symbolic link /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-amd64/source However, I can not read the target: No such file or directory Therefore, I am deleting /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-amd64/source |
| 18:32.42 | foo | wols: hm, weird. |
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| 18:33.04 | wols | foo: shouldn't matter. you don't want to compile it, just run it :) |
| 18:33.26 | foo | wols: ah, ok. I also saw this: You shouldn't call /sbin/update-grub. Please call /usr/sbin/update-grub instead! ... this is a fresh etch install. hm, |
| 18:33.37 | simonrvn | @wb |
| 18:33.40 | ravenbird | thanks, simonrvn. It's good to be back. |
| 18:33.49 | ma3x | I just did mv filename filename2, how can I restore filename2? |
| 18:33.51 | foo | wols: Safe to ignore that? |
| 18:34.01 | wols | ma3x: you cannot |
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| 18:34.06 | ma3x | shit |
| 18:34.21 | wols | foo: sure. worst that could happen is that the new kernel doesn't show up in grub menu |
| 18:34.25 | wols | foo: easily rectified |
| 18:34.31 | foo | wols: gotcha, ok |
| 18:34.48 | foo | wols: system is remote :) Just makin' sure. hm, ok, I'll see if it works. thanks. |
| 18:34.50 | simonrvn | <tab><tab> |
| 18:34.52 | wols | !tell ma3x about undelete |
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| 18:35.00 | foo | wols: hm, and I checked menu.lst, looks good |
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| 18:35.07 | ma3x | wols, does it work on ext3? |
| 18:35.17 | wols | no. ext3 is journalled |
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| 18:35.27 | ma3x | oh |
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| 18:35.47 | Caelum | should I put debian on my nuclear submarine? |
| 18:36.07 | simonrvn | Caelum: depends, is the sub big enough? |
| 18:36.11 | Caelum | heh |
| 18:36.13 | ma3x | wols, does it sometimes happen to you? |
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| 18:36.35 | wols | ma3x: deleting important stuff? of course |
| 18:36.49 | ma3x | wols, what do you do then? |
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| 18:37.03 | wols | the answer to that is: if it wasn't backed up on tape or wherever, it couldn't have been important |
| 18:37.08 | simonrvn | restore from backups, or shrug and say "oh well" |
| 18:37.14 | wols | i curse swear, and flame someone on #debian :P |
| 18:37.21 | sTb | some make error on proftpd http://rafb.net/p/MDbV0016.html |
| 18:37.45 | ma3x | haha |
| 18:37.50 | ma3x | wols, good! |
| 18:38.09 | ma3x | just make sure it's not simonrvn you flame |
| 18:38.13 | simonrvn | i curse and swear at wols for cursing and swearing at someone on #debian :P |
| 18:38.21 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 18:38.31 | EmleyMoor | I just had my laptop replaced with an identical (*) one, with my hard disk moved over. Since then, I have been unable to use the network interfaces (wired or wireless) - do I need to check anything general before coming here about the specifics |
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| 18:38.36 | Caelum | speaking of backups, anyone have suggestions for backing up to a company windows share? |
| 18:38.41 | EmleyMoor | (*) - it's the self-same model and everything |
| 18:38.52 | wols | EmleyMoor: nope. if it's really identical it will work |
| 18:38.53 | simonrvn | Caelum: tarball it first |
| 18:39.05 | EmleyMoor | They work in Windows, but not in Linux at all |
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| 18:39.23 | Caelum | simonrvn: I was hoping to have an incremental image thingy |
| 18:39.25 | wols | EmleyMoor: which means something has changed. e.g. the MAC is certainly not the same between those two notebooks |
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| 18:39.37 | Caelum | EmleyMoor: does ifconfig show them? |
| 18:39.48 | wols | EmleyMoor: does ifconfig -a show the interfaces |
| 18:39.49 | EmleyMoor | The MACs have indeed changed but surely Linux itself is not MAC locked? |
| 18:39.54 | EmleyMoor | No, it does not |
| 18:39.56 | simonrvn | Caelum: i highly doubt ntfs or whatever is going to support unix perms and such. i wouldn't trust it |
| 18:40.00 | wols | not of course it isn't |
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| 18:40.16 | wols | simonrvn: it's not. it has something better :P |
| 18:40.26 | Caelum | simonrvn: maybe there's a backup utility that supports image files and can do incremental backups onto them? |
| 18:40.48 | DavidProck1981 | wols: DavidProck1981: with your scheme you need a cache _and_ a ramdisk. doubling the cache ram requirement and starving out the slightly less used files than your chosen list |
| 18:40.50 | EmleyMoor | I will bring the machine through in a bit and try to work out what's going on |
| 18:40.54 | simonrvn | Caelum: not in the scope of this channel ;) |
| 18:41.02 | DavidProck1981 | what do you mean by the "starving out" part |
| 18:41.33 | simonrvn | EmleyMoor: no, it isn't |
| 18:41.45 | simonrvn | MAC locked |
| 18:41.48 | wols | DavidProck1981: all free RAM is used for disk cache. in since a sizable chunk of your RAM is now a ramdisk you can't use it for cache. which means you have a msaller cache that will fit less files |
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| 18:42.09 | wols | DavidProck1981: since the most used files always are in the cache, the slightly less used one fall out due to not enough cache RAM |
| 18:42.36 | EmleyMoor | OK - well, I'll be back in an hour or less and then perhaps someone can guide me as to where the network interfaces went |
| 18:42.37 | Caelum | EmleyMoor: did you change your kernel when reinstalling? if so, did you update your wireless driver and such? |
| 18:42.53 | wols | Caelum: same harddisk he said moved over |
| 18:42.53 | EmleyMoor | Caelum: I did not reinstall anything |
| 18:42.59 | foo | wols: Well, system didn't come back up after a reboot. gah. |
| 18:43.03 | Caelum | oh ok, sorry |
| 18:43.07 | wols | foo: sorry |
| 18:43.25 | DavidProck1981 | wols: i have 2 gig of ram, so would doing what i asked give any more preformance |
| 18:43.29 | foo | wols: nah, it's not your fault... I've just been having nightmares about this stuff, data center has been having a ton of issues. Thanks |
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| 18:44.25 | wols | DavidProck1981: I told you no |
| 18:44.33 | DavidProck1981 | ok |
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| 18:45.00 | simonrvn | DavidProck1981: no it wouldn't. you'd be *subtracting* stuff that would help it perform better |
| 18:45.27 | simonrvn | DavidProck1981: do you have swap? even like 64-256 MB of swap will help |
| 18:45.41 | DavidProck1981 | i got swap |
| 18:45.51 | simonrvn | recent kernels perform better with even a bit of swap. ok good |
| 18:46.07 | wols | simonrvn: why? |
| 18:46.14 | wols | any special reason? |
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| 18:46.52 | Nielsen | does freenode have a turkish debian channel? |
| 18:46.53 | simonrvn | kernel expects it to have it available, used in the caching features, if it doesn't it has to do extra work |
| 18:47.04 | simonrvn | i can't remember specific details |
| 18:47.20 | simonrvn | Nielsen: probably #debian-tr |
| 18:47.22 | wols | !tr |
| 18:47.22 | dpkg | tr is probably türkçe yardIm için #debian-tr (irc.oftc.net / irc.debian.org): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr, or http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~rakewell/z88/keyboards/turkish.jpg |
| 18:47.26 | Nielsen | simonrvn: ok |
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| 18:47.35 | simonrvn | no, look up ^^^ |
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| 18:47.42 | Nielsen | simonrvn: nop, empty |
| 18:47.52 | simonrvn | .tr |
| 18:48.04 | robin_z | ok, so who understands exim? and why wont it send emails to remote hosts |
| 18:48.11 | wols | Nielsen: maybe check irc.debian.org for such a channel |
| 18:48.23 | Sweetandy | Hey everybody; I'm using Debian Lenny, and have GNOME, KDE, Blackbox, and Ratpoison installed. If I use Blackbox, is there a file viewer / manager? Similar to opening a window with Nautilus, except without the desktop? |
| 18:48.25 | wols | robin_z: what does your mail.log say? |
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| 18:48.34 | Braindead | robin_z: too much info. can you be a bit more vague ? |
| 18:48.38 | wols | Sweetandy: thunar maybe |
| 18:48.41 | simonrvn | Sweetandy: rox? |
| 18:48.47 | robin_z | R=nonlocal: Mailing to remote domains not supported |
| 18:48.48 | wols | or rox filer yes |
| 18:48.53 | Braindead | Sweetandy: "gentoo" as in the file manager |
| 18:48.55 | DavidProck1981 | is any one working on a live cd / dvd of debian ? |
| 18:48.56 | simonrvn | robin_z: so enable it |
| 18:48.56 | robin_z | ^^ that |
| 18:49.12 | robin_z | where, exactly? |
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| 18:49.28 | wols | robin_z: dpkg-reconfigure perhaps? |
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| 18:49.39 | wols | It seems you majorly misconfigured your exim |
| 18:50.07 | robin_z | dpkg-reconfigure exim4 |
| 18:50.10 | robin_z | does not a lot |
| 18:50.21 | simonrvn | exim4-config |
| 18:50.42 | EmleyMoor | robin_z: Does your system now have qpsmtpd on it too? |
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| 18:51.08 | Sweetandy | Thanks guys I'll install those |
| 18:51.20 | xand | DavidProck1981: there is an unofficial one |
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| 18:52.01 | DavidProck1981 | where at, i would like to take a look, just worndering about it |
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| 18:52.33 | fs-a | is it easy to change the default compiler version system wide? |
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| 18:52.44 | Braindead | fs-a: update-alternatives |
| 18:52.48 | fs-a | Braindead, thx |
| 18:53.01 | cydork | DavidProck1981: check live.debian.net |
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| 18:53.14 | DavidProck1981 | k |
| 18:53.16 | DavidProck1981 | thanks |
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| 18:53.22 | wols | DavidProck1981: have you googled "debian live cd"? |
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| 18:53.45 | DavidProck1981 | in the past i have and did nto get any thing |
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| 18:54.32 | r4nge | i have a second harddrive sitting inside my computer that is formatted ntfs, it's showing up in fdisk as "/dev/hdd1". how would i mount it so that i can access the files, i tried "mount /dev/hdd1 /spare" but that didnt seem to work |
| 18:54.35 | Sweetandy | I'm going to try gentoo. brb! |
| 18:55.05 | robin_z | r4nge, you want to mount it read only or writeable? |
| 18:55.14 | klync | r4nge: if you have the ntfs module compiled for your kernel, try `mount -t auto -o ro /dev/hdd1 /spare` |
| 18:55.22 | Caelum | r4nge: use ntfs3g preferrably |
| 18:55.23 | foo | wols: hm, he said it's not a 64bit system, heh. hm. core2duo. *blinks |
| 18:55.30 | r4nge | robin: downst really matter, i just wanty to access it atm |
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| 18:55.54 | robin_z | r4nge, just be aware ntfs write support is very experimental |
| 18:56.05 | wols | foo: he's a liar |
| 18:56.14 | wols | all core2 cpus are 64bit capable. all of them |
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| 18:56.27 | wols | foo: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 18:56.28 | foo | wols: ah, that's what I thought |
| 18:56.30 | foo | wols: ah, ok |
| 18:56.42 | r4nge | k, will try again |
| 18:56.45 | dbernar1 | So I guess that the move to oftc never hapenned. |
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| 18:57.10 | wols | dbernar1: it did. irc.debian.org is oftc.net |
| 18:57.20 | dbernar1 | But this is freenode, right? |
| 18:57.29 | Caelum | there's practically no reason to run 32bit debian on a 64bit cpu when the amd64 port works so well |
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| 18:57.49 | wols | yes |
| 18:57.49 | wintix | dbernar1: yes. |
| 18:57.54 | wols | Caelum: there are lots of reasons |
| 18:58.04 | dbernar1 | wols: I came to the conclusion about the no move looking at the number of users/quality of support here and there. |
| 18:58.06 | Nielsen | Caelum: some needed things like javaplugin and flash didnt run at all well for me, and the difference to me is minimal |
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| 18:58.15 | concept10 | 32bit should be good enough for anyone |
| 18:58.25 | wols | dbernar1: just because debian decided on a move, doesn't mean the users did |
| 18:58.44 | foo | wols: ok, thanks |
| 18:58.45 | wols | concept10: tell this to people who can afford their memory :) |
| 18:59.00 | jargonjustin | I'm having some problems with LVM. There is a physical volume (it was empty) in the volume group that is no longer attached to the system. How do I configure Debian to remove the PV so I can mount the logical volume (LVM won't mount it at the moment.) |
| 18:59.07 | dbernar1 | wols: That is what I meant. The users never moved to oftc. |
| 18:59.18 | Caelum | Nielsen: I use swfdec for flash, works well in recent snapshots. Haven't tried the java plugin |
| 18:59.36 | Nielsen | Caelum: suns java plugin is still non-existant |
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| 19:01.48 | no3sc | How do I check if my sound drivers are installed properly? |
| 19:01.54 | dbernar1 | Why does a standart etch install not come with pppoeconf? |
| 19:01.55 | Caelum | hmm, well you can always run a 32 bit firefox in a chroot with flash and java plugin if you need them that badly. I haven't even noticed the lack of a java plugin :) |
| 19:01.58 | solemnwarning | I've got an Debian etch xen machine, none of the domU's get any entropy, can anyone help me? |
| 19:02.15 | solemnwarning | All domU's block reads to /dev/random forever so most stuff breaks |
| 19:02.17 | Caelum | no3sc: does alsamixer work? |
| 19:02.27 | dbernar1 | Is there a way to set up pppoe on a standard etch install? |
| 19:02.44 | foo | wols: amd64 should work on an intel board, right? amd64 has amd in it because they came out with the 64bit architecture... I believe, right? |
| 19:02.54 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:02.58 | no3sc | Caelum: It depends on what you mean with "works" |
| 19:03.16 | wols | the -k8 kernels are the ones for amd cous. -amd64 just is the platform |
| 19:03.17 | no3sc | Caelum: I can start it and change the levels. But I can't play anything with sound |
| 19:03.31 | r4nge | hmm, cant seem to mount the ntfs drive through command line, tried "mount -t auto -o w /dev/hdd1 /spare" but it wont let me mount read-write yet through gui it mounts fine |
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| 19:03.49 | dbernar1 | How do I change the default xroot color? |
| 19:03.51 | wols | r4nge: it cannot. |
| 19:03.53 | fraujansen | hello everybody... can someone give me some tip? i want to parse a file so i can read only some parts of a line... for exameple of "192.168.28.207:film:/Filme nach Genre geordnet/Action/:Assault on Precinct 13.avi:802269184" read the extension... in this case ".avi" how can i do it? |
| 19:03.54 | wols | !ntfsrw |
| 19:03.54 | dpkg | methinks ntfsrw is for beta-quality write support on i386, amd64 and possibly others, see <ntfs-3g>. For stable read-only support, ask me about <read-ntfs> |
| 19:04.19 | wols | foo: regex? |
| 19:04.29 | Caelum | no3sc: have you tried alsaplayer or mpg321? |
| 19:04.32 | foo | wols: wha? You lost me, regular expressions? Hm |
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| 19:04.38 | r4nge | wols: so you think gui is using ntfs-3g ? |
| 19:04.43 | no3sc | Caelum: No, I'll install it |
| 19:05.14 | wols | r4nge: mount it and run "mount" |
| 19:05.28 | wols | foo: sory. should have been for fraujansen |
| 19:05.34 | foo | wols: oh, hehe |
| 19:06.15 | solemnwarning | I mean, you have to know how the fs works for read, so whats preventing write? |
| 19:06.18 | branstrom | Is the backports server down? |
| 19:06.23 | wols | cause read support deosn't need to worry about fukcing up the FS |
| 19:06.32 | wols | also, you never have to create. only interpret what's there |
| 19:06.49 | wols | you need to know a lot less to only read |
| 19:06.59 | scud_ | solemnwarning: depend wether its an OS fs or an extra partition for data storage |
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| 19:07.45 | pipeline | solemnwarning: filesystems sometimes require you to move files' chunks around and do complex rebalancing of data structures. |
| 19:07.46 | nvz | solemnwarning: not only that the fs could imploy a journaling technique of some kind that isnt really relevant to reading |
| 19:08.13 | pipeline | solemnwarning: the kernel driver used to have NTFS write support, it would just completely hose the filesystem while writing :) |
| 19:08.16 | WonderWal | hi there, how do i do a debian minimal install? i dont want to install X,kde,gnome, this box is for server purposes. |
| 19:08.18 | pipeline | solemnwarning: I much prefer the new, safe write support. |
| 19:08.20 | pipeline | WonderWal: Err, just install. |
| 19:08.26 | pipeline | WonderWal: none of that stuff is installed by default. |
| 19:08.34 | wols | WonderWal: netinstall CD |
| 19:08.44 | WonderWal | thanks |
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| 19:09.07 | Caelum | no3sc: check if you're running esd or arts too... |
| 19:09.09 | xingu | solemnwarning: you only have to understand how enough of the filesystem works in order to descend it for read support; you need to understand /all/ of how it works to modify it. |
| 19:09.45 | xingu | solemnwarning: for instance, you need to know what should happen in the event that power is lost midway through metadata update. |
| 19:09.49 | smacnay | Hi, does anyone using an Afga snapscan scanner (usb), udev, and xsane get it to operate when being "user"? I need to be root. |
| 19:10.11 | solemnwarning | pipeline: tbh it's hosed as soon as you format it NTFS :) |
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| 19:12.53 | duns_s | hi |
| 19:12.59 | duns_s | i've got a via c3 processor |
| 19:13.04 | duns_s | and i would like to use xen |
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| 19:13.19 | wols | duns_s: no VT support |
| 19:13.29 | duns_s | but the c3 processor (1ghz) is not compatible with 686 |
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| 19:13.34 | wols | only works for things like linux as a client |
| 19:13.40 | wols | duns_s: compile your own kernel then |
| 19:13.48 | duns_s | how can i build the xen kernel for 486 |
| 19:14.05 | duns_s | or are there any preconfigured kernels? |
| 19:14.24 | wols | no there aren't. why isn't it working for 486? |
| 19:14.35 | pipeline | duns_s: err, Xen on non-VT processors is pretty much dead in the water. |
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| 19:14.50 | pipeline | duns_s: I'm not really certain that the newest version of Xen even supports it. |
| 19:15.05 | pipeline | duns_s: it's just not practical to use Xen without IOMMUs, either |
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| 19:15.27 | wols | pipeline: who has a working IOMMU? |
| 19:15.38 | pipeline | wols: Every x86_64 system on earth :P |
| 19:15.54 | pipeline | wols: 64 bit x86 is useless without IOMMUs. Fuck copying data around for PCI >:( |
| 19:15.59 | wols | pipeline: huh? VT is not a IOMMU |
| 19:16.07 | wols | IO support comes in penryn |
| 19:16.11 | wols | or even later with AMD |
| 19:16.21 | pipeline | wols: yes, well ;) |
| 19:16.26 | pipeline | wols: We'll get there. Eventually. |
| 19:16.30 | pipeline | wols: right now, well, shit really sucks |
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| 19:17.01 | duns_s | what is paravirtualisation all about? about having hardware support for virtualisation? |
| 19:17.13 | wols | pipeline: so BO currently available x86 compatible CPU has this |
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| 19:17.27 | wols | xingu: what is a calgary |
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| 19:17.33 | wols | besides a frozen town |
| 19:17.40 | wols | s/BO/NO |
| 19:17.52 | xingu | wols: xseries 366/460 |
| 19:17.53 | solemnwarning | I've got an Debian etch xen machine, none of the domU's get any entropy so reads to /dev/random block, can anyone help me? |
| 19:17.57 | xingu | wols: they do have iommu's. :) |
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| 19:18.07 | pipeline | wols: err, I think he's talking about the IOMMU chipset |
| 19:18.13 | wols | xingu: they are NOT x86 cpus |
| 19:18.58 | wols | pipeline: POWER and the likes is different of course |
| 19:19.08 | pipeline | wols: I don't give a shit about hardware no one can afford. |
| 19:19.22 | pipeline | wols: I used to, but my give a shit level falls as commodity hardware becomes more flexible :P |
| 19:19.34 | wols | pipeline: well, there are _real_ computers and therre are PeeCees :) |
| 19:19.43 | pipeline | wols: not for much longer :) |
| 19:19.53 | pipeline | wols: I see microcoded S/390 CPUs with Intel Inside stickers in our future ;) |
| 19:20.03 | xingu | wols: http://www.itjungle.com/tlb/tlb060705-story03.html |
| 19:20.10 | wols | pipeline: don#t make me frightened! :) |
| 19:20.17 | wols | but then: mainframes can go fuck themselves :) |
| 19:21.05 | pipeline | wols: In a day and age when you can get an 8-way PC in 1U, real hardware looks pretty unappealling. |
| 19:21.07 | xingu | wols: technically, they are x86 (x86_64 even); but they're no peecee. |
| 19:21.15 | wols | pipeline: those servers can't virtualize windows properly can they (with IO support)? |
| 19:21.28 | pipeline | wols: Xen runs windows just fine, IIRC |
| 19:21.33 | pipeline | wols: obviously VMware does :P |
| 19:21.33 | wintix | yes. |
| 19:21.46 | wols | xingu: cause even if the chipset can do it, the CPUs cannot |
| 19:21.57 | wols | pipeline: vmware is not the virtualization we talk about |
| 19:22.18 | pipeline | wols: It's not? How not? It's the original PC paravirtualization product :P |
| 19:22.29 | wols | and Xen only runs windows when it has VT support. and even in this case IO is not virtualized leading to lots of problems. |
| 19:22.44 | pipeline | wols: like I said, we'll get there. It's not IBM VM, no :P |
| 19:23.11 | pipeline | wols: even with licensing costs for VMware, running a bunch of vms on high-density commodity hardware is pretty inexpensive. |
| 19:23.30 | pipeline | wols: You're looking at all of 10k for 8 CPUs, 25k or so for the software licenses :P |
| 19:23.42 | pipeline | wols: (vmware is licensed per socket, not per core :) ) |
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| 19:24.43 | wols | pipeline: you know what I mean. this box cannot run Xen IO virtualized, no matter what (until 45nm CPUs from intel are available for it) |
| 19:24.54 | pipeline | wols: c'est la vie. |
| 19:24.57 | wols | maybe not even then since the chipset is so old (the IOMMU specs have been changed over time) |
| 19:25.09 | robin_z | so, whats a good codec to use for low bandwidth and reasnoable quality? alaw is fine internally, but the external offices are struggling with it over adsl |
| 19:25.24 | wols | robin_z: mp3, oogg |
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| 19:25.30 | pipeline | wols: hahah, no |
| 19:25.35 | pipeline | wols: he's looking at 8kpbs level bitrates |
| 19:25.44 | wintix | audio or video? |
| 19:25.47 | robin_z | wols, oops, that was supposed to be for #asterisk |
| 19:25.50 | wols | 64kbps is doable with ogg |
| 19:25.55 | pipeline | wols: 8, not 8x8 |
| 19:25.59 | linlin | where do i get the 2.6.8-2-386 debian kernel sources and headers? |
| 19:26.01 | wols | robin_z: gsm codecs |
| 19:26.16 | robin_z | g723.x maybe |
| 19:26.23 | wols | linlin: snapshots.debian.net. that kernel is a) oldstable ) has security holes |
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| 19:26.34 | xingu | robin_z: aac+ ? |
| 19:26.42 | wols | xingu: not for VoIP |
| 19:26.56 | wols | xingu: music != speech especially for this case |
| 19:27.10 | xingu | fair do |
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| 19:30.53 | xingu | wols: is it beyond the realms of possibility that the xseries chipset iommu in fact removes io virtualisation from being a cpu issue at all? |
| 19:31.25 | xingu | wols: because the first (oldest) kernel-side iommu support is precisely for the calgary iommu. |
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| 19:31.37 | wols | no. but it means you cannot virtualize the CPU itself since the CPUs doN't have support |
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| 19:31.42 | xingu | wols: while the intel vt/ cpu iommu feature support is still to be merged |
| 19:31.43 | Sweetandy | THANKS!! |
| 19:31.44 | Sweetandy | lol |
| 19:31.56 | xingu | wols: hmm, so one image per cpu, but many images per cage? |
| 19:32.00 | wols | and: future cpus with support have different specs isnce the IOMME spec was extensively revised and still is |
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| 19:32.13 | wols | xingu: I think yes |
| 19:32.24 | wols | and that is something which xen would have to support I think |
| 19:32.44 | wols | ie the hypervisor must assure the cpu only one OS per CPU and no mixin |
| 19:32.48 | duns_s | to get back to my problem, why is xen with *paravirtualized* guests bad on via c3 (486) |
| 19:33.13 | wols | donaldo: for Xen to properly supporting virtualization it needs hardware support. |
| 19:33.16 | wols | C3 doesn't have this |
| 19:33.18 | xingu | wols: nothing a little microcode can't fix ;) |
| 19:33.23 | xingu | wols: just ask the vms boys |
| 19:33.28 | donaldo | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:33.33 | linlin | how should i update my kernel? |
| 19:33.36 | wols | you can circumvent it by special guest kernels. ie with linux. but with windows you can't change the kernel of course |
| 19:33.56 | wols | and if you have to change guest kernels, you lose the flexibility of xen which is its main selling point |
| 19:34.07 | wols | and due to lack of hw support you lose its speed advantage too |
| 19:34.27 | DawnLight | linlin: apt-get a newer kernel and it will be added to grub |
| 19:34.39 | wols | !tell duns_s about sarge->etch |
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| 19:35.24 | xingu | damn I love this two-finger-tap-to-paste synaptics thing. |
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| 19:35.26 | kombi | how do I tell whether there is more than one dhcp server on a network? |
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| 19:36.03 | hak0 | kombi: ... nmap.... |
| 19:36.03 | xingu | kombi: issue a request packet and sniff the wire for responses? |
| 19:36.13 | donaldo | kombi: does dhclient report multiple DHCP ACKs during DHCP discovery? |
| 19:36.31 | xingu | multiple ack's would indicate a serious config problem |
| 19:36.35 | duns_s | wols? |
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| 19:36.45 | wols | duns_s: what? |
| 19:36.51 | duns_s | but i don't want to run unmodified guests |
| 19:37.03 | duns_s | what do you mean with sarge->etch? |
| 19:37.28 | wols | duns_s: sorry misfire. if you don#t want to you don#t really need Xen |
| 19:37.30 | kombi | donaldo: how do i call dhclient so it shows that? |
| 19:37.42 | wols | at least as I explained you doN't get any special advantages from Xen |
| 19:38.00 | foo | wols: Does the -amd64 kernel I pasted earlier have CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G=y in .config? |
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| 19:38.09 | duns_s | but i would like to have a virtualized guest machine for my outside network traffic |
| 19:38.26 | wols | duns_s: there are lots of other options. no need for Xen |
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| 19:38.51 | wols | foo: you can check yourself. I don't have a 64bit machine |
| 19:38.51 | duns_s | wols, what do you mean? |
| 19:39.03 | foo | wols: ok, thanks. |
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| 19:39.07 | wols | duns_s: UML, vserver, vmware |
| 19:39.21 | karsten | duns_s: ... or qemu. |
| 19:39.23 | wols | UML would be easiest I guess and totally Free |
| 19:39.26 | karsten | wols: Virtualization options? |
| 19:39.31 | wols | yes |
| 19:39.39 | wols | karsten: Xen on C3 |
| 19:40.04 | xingu | foo: highmem64g is a figment of i386's imagination. |
| 19:40.09 | karsten | wols: I just joined, what was the question? |
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| 19:40.26 | linlin | how do i get my kernel headers ? |
| 19:40.39 | foo | xingu: Wha? I was wondering if the -amd64 kernel had that. |
| 19:40.51 | karsten | wols: There's also something whose name I'm blanking on, virtualbox or something like that. |
| 19:41.07 | duns_s | uml sucks performance wise vserver only lets you start machines on the same kernel, which is not a big security advantage regarding kernel problems |
| 19:41.35 | duns_s | and qemu is not very good for a headless machine and performance, is it? |
| 19:41.39 | streuner | linlin: apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -a` |
| 19:41.40 | xingu | foo: amd64 can address 64bit natively, no need for oddball memory layout tricks |
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| 19:41.43 | duns_s | vmware is not really free... |
| 19:41.48 | foo | xingu: |
| 19:41.51 | wols | duns_s: yen isn't either. cannot be on a C3 |
| 19:41.52 | foo | xingu: ok, thank you |
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| 19:41.57 | karsten | duns_s: You can run qemu w/ just serial (connected to pty) access, no video. |
| 19:42.01 | wols | the reason Xen is good speedwise is due to hardware support |
| 19:42.09 | karsten | duns_s: What's the question? I missed it, just joined. |
| 19:42.11 | streuner | linlin: apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` sorry |
| 19:42.14 | wols | which you lack |
| 19:42.23 | wols | ise v,ware pr qemu then |
| 19:42.29 | duns_s | sorry but was the whole idea of paravirtualisation to circumvent hardware problems? |
| 19:42.33 | linlin | streuner it says the package has no install candidate |
| 19:42.44 | wols | duns_s: no |
| 19:42.51 | streuner | linlin: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 19:42.51 | karsten | duns_s: For performance: xen, vserver, or kvm (kernel virtual machines). |
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| 19:42.57 | wols | it's mainly for aggrgating servers |
| 19:43.09 | foo | xingu: and, core2duo supports -amd64 - right? Pretty sure |
| 19:43.09 | duns_s | karsten: i cannot install the 686 kernel on etch, because c3 doesn't support 686 |
| 19:43.11 | linlin | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 19:43.20 | streuner | linlin: cat /proc/version |
| 19:43.20 | wols | karsten: how would Xen be faster than anything else without hw support for it? |
| 19:43.37 | linlin | Linux version 2.6.8-2-386 (horms@tabatha.lab.ultramonkey.org) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #1 Tue Aug 16 12:46:35 UTC 2005 |
| 19:43.41 | duns_s | kvm is not in etch, is it? i don't have vt/pacifica on the c3 anyway |
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| 19:44.16 | xingu | foo: mine does ;) |
| 19:44.22 | streuner | linlin: that's the kernel of oldstable, those aren't in the mirrors anymore, IIRC, or the package is called otherwise |
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| 19:44.47 | linlin | ok im willing to upgrade, whats hte best way to do so |
| 19:44.52 | streuner | linlin: just install newer kernel (2.6.18) for stable |
| 19:44.56 | karsten | wols: hardware support for what? |
| 19:45.06 | karsten | duns_s: kvm is very experimental at this point. |
| 19:45.17 | linlin | apt-get install kernel-2.6.18 ? |
| 19:45.20 | wols | karsten: virtualization |
| 19:45.23 | karsten | duns_s: But it's in testing/unstable. |
| 19:45.34 | wols | linlin: linux-image-2,6 |
| 19:45.52 | karsten | wols: The whole idea behind xen's paravirtualization is that you _don't_ need HW support. Instead you use a slighly modified kernel. |
| 19:46.10 | streuner | linlin: apt-cache search linux-image |
| 19:46.12 | karsten | wols: If you want to run an unmodified OS kernel, you need VT support in the hardware (full HW-assisted virt). |
| 19:46.47 | karsten | wols: From a performance perspective: paravirt > hw-full-virt > sw virt (eg: vmware). |
| 19:46.52 | wols | karsten: so why is Xen faster than VMWare if it doesn't need anything else than VMWAre? |
| 19:47.13 | wols | or why is UML not as fast then? |
| 19:47.19 | karsten | wols: Because it functions differently. |
| 19:47.24 | foo | xingu: :P ok, thanks. Bah, trying to get 4GB to work. i686 kernel didn't support it. BIOS sees the 4GB. |
| 19:47.25 | h3sp4wn | uml is very fast with the skas patches |
| 19:47.29 | h3sp4wn | (to the host) |
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| 19:47.48 | karsten | wols: xen runs a hypervisor, essentially a mini-kernel, which handles CPU allocation and memory management among guests. That's pretty much it. |
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| 19:48.04 | karsten | wols: VMWare is intercepting and translating HW calls through its layer. |
| 19:48.09 | xingu | foo: nb, expect to see some chipset bugs at 4GB physical. |
| 19:48.13 | karsten | wols: VMWare's approach is a lot more work. |
| 19:48.39 | foo | xingu: hm, BIOS sees it, the OS should, right? |
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| 19:48.42 | duns_s | karsten: kvm only works on vt/pacifica doesn't it? |
| 19:48.46 | xingu | foo: 945gm/pm for example can't map io regions about 2G |
| 19:48.55 | xingu | foo: err above 3G |
| 19:48.58 | karsten | wols: There's a bunch of different ways to get "virtualization", techniques differ. |
| 19:49.04 | karsten | duns_s: Don't know, but I strongly doubt it. |
| 19:49.11 | foo | xingu: the kernel saw 3.2GB (i386) .. I was trying the -amd64, but it didn't come back after the reboot |
| 19:49.14 | karsten | duns_s: kvm is sort of virtualserver on steroids. |
| 19:49.37 | karsten | duns_s: My bad. Yes, it does want VT. |
| 19:49.44 | karsten | duns_s: apt-cache show kvm |
| 19:49.55 | karsten | duns_s: w/o vt it falls back on qemu. |
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| 19:52.09 | xingu | foo: like I said, 4G physical can trigger chipset bugs |
| 19:52.38 | foo | xingu: ah, ok. |
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| 19:52.49 | xingu | foo: or design constraints; it's not totally a-typical that a chipset will map mmio resources at 3.25 or 3.5G |
| 19:53.00 | foo | xingu: hmm, I see. |
| 19:53.27 | xingu | foo: here's someone who got bit: http://www.javalobby.org/nl/archive/jlnews_20070109o.html |
| 19:53.33 | xingu | foo: as have all the core2duo mac boys. |
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| 19:53.46 | foo | xingu: hehe, thanks |
| 19:53.49 | xingu | foo: still, it's all fixed in the next version, I'm sure ;) |
| 19:53.49 | wols | they all use i945 afaik |
| 19:54.01 | xingu | yeup. |
| 19:54.09 | xingu | stupid bloody reference code |
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| 19:54.40 | xingu | foo: it's not a totally bad pick when you think about the win32 memory map |
| 19:54.58 | foo | xingu: I try not to think win32 anything, thank you very much. |
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| 19:55.10 | wols | xingu: what is not a bad pick? |
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| 19:55.26 | xingu | wols: aliasing the top .75G of physical as mmio range |
| 19:55.53 | xingu | wols: win32 kernel sits at 3-4G virtual if memory serves. |
| 19:56.22 | wols | back when i945 was designed, intel was still in denial about amd64 |
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| 19:56.51 | Micromus | In relation to grub, Is there a way to view the /dev/sdaX to hdc(2,2) mappings? |
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| 19:57.41 | sphenxes | I have mounted windows directory in FSTAB file. however I can't move or write to the window directory from any user. i would like to change the parameters in order that user can write and delete from windows directory. /dev/hda3 /windows/E vfat users,gid=users,umask=0002,utf8=true 0 0 |
| 19:57.44 | xoz | Micromus: you mean view the files inside? |
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| 19:58.37 | me_here | the patches for kernel-sources for debian don't get automatically applied or ? |
| 19:58.40 | Micromus | no, i have a /dev/sda6, but im not sure what xxx(x,x) to put in my grub config to load it |
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| 19:59.12 | me_here | i mean installing with apt-get will just put them somewhere under /usr/src .... |
| 19:59.20 | Micromus | i know what grub starts counting one earlier, but it prolly also has other stuff i dont know of |
| 19:59.22 | xingu | foo: it's still worth fitting 2+2G memory config, even if you have some memory unusable; 945 will give you more bandwidth by alternating writes across the two channels, and, by prefetching from them concurrently. |
| 19:59.23 | Caelum | is there a channel for evolution somewhere? |
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| 19:59.44 | foo | xingu: hm, I see |
| 19:59.51 | xingu | foo: I actually benchmarked this on my own notebook a while back, the effect is astonishing. |
| 20:00.02 | xoz | sphenxes: /msg dpkg user accessible vfat |
| 20:00.09 | wols | !tell sphenxes about vfatrw |
| 20:00.24 | foo | xingu: I'm thinking about just have 1 2GB stick. This is too much of a pain, and I'm crunched for time |
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| 20:00.37 | xingu | foo: far better with 2x 1G |
| 20:00.39 | xoz | Micromus: you can try during boottprompt. |
| 20:00.56 | wols | foo: cheaper too |
| 20:00.58 | xingu | foo: literally double the memory bandwidth for most mixes. |
| 20:01.09 | wols | xingu: depens on the CPU |
| 20:01.24 | wols | biascally only important with a P4 |
| 20:01.38 | xingu | core2duo on 945 |
| 20:01.42 | Micromus | xoz: grub errors before the bootprompt, giving me error 15 |
| 20:01.44 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 20:01.44 | dpkg | <ricky_clarkson> To +b or not to +b, that is the +q |
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| 20:01.52 | xingu | is what he's talking about, and what I have. :) |
| 20:01.57 | foo | xingu / wols: Nice. They have 2 2GB sticks in there right now |
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| 20:02.12 | xoz | Micromus: where did you install grub? /dev/hda? |
| 20:02.12 | xingu | foo: if you benchmark memory performance, it will halve if you pull one. |
| 20:02.31 | Micromus | i have one on /dev/hda, and one on /dev/sda |
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| 20:04.20 | |ac3| | Hi |
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| 20:04.37 | xoz | Micromus: just install grub in /dev/hda and in menu.lst, don't include yet the sda one if you have an error. during bootprompt, edit your menu to try sda mapping |
| 20:04.49 | foo | xingu: ah, I see. |
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| 20:06.05 | |ac3| | I´m backporting dovecot from unstable to Sarge, but i get an error: empty version number in dependencies. It seems that the variable ${binary:Version} is not filled in in debian/controll |
| 20:06.35 | |ac3| | any ideas? Manually specifying the version works |
| 20:06.43 | HSorgYves | where would you install a new software? /usr/bin? /usr/local/bin? /opt? ~? |
| 20:06.57 | asg | HSorgYves: it depends on who developed the software |
| 20:07.26 | HSorgYves | asg: GeoGebra, an open source software i am creating the installer for |
| 20:07.46 | asg | HSorgYves: either /usr/local or /opt |
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| 20:08.17 | HSorgYves | do i need to su to root to be able to write to those folders? |
| 20:08.51 | asg | HSorgYves: yes, they are both owned and writable only by root |
| 20:09.12 | asg | HSorgYves: if this is something used only by yourself though, just stick it in $HOME/foo |
| 20:09.26 | HSorgYves | so i better offer as default folder something like ~/GeoGebra |
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| 20:10.09 | reiser2 | hi |
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| 20:10.22 | asg | HSorgYves: or ~/3rdpartycrap/GeoGebra (depending on your proclivities) |
| 20:10.56 | HSorgYves | asg: thx |
| 20:11.12 | asg | HSorgYves: you're welcome |
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| 20:14.11 | Micromus | xoz: do you know the command to view the mapping? got it booted with hda-bootloader now |
| 20:15.09 | duns_s | do i have to install kernel-server or the userspace server for nfs v4 support? |
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| 20:15.26 | h3sp4wn | duns_s: kernel |
| 20:15.59 | h3sp4wn | duns_s: (and its still experimental) - userspace only supported v2 last time I looked at it (but that may have changed 6months or so ago) |
| 20:15.59 | duns_s | k3sp4wn: thx |
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| 20:16.28 | duns_s | wols: why is this wrong: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/research/srg/netos/xen/performance.html ? |
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| 20:18.52 | rocketmagnet | hi, how to find out witch user the apache server is run ? |
| 20:19.36 | rocketmagnet | because i want to install joomla with the apache2 with etch |
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| 20:19.53 | creyon | does debian etch comes with padlock support out of the box? (openssl + dm-crypt) |
| 20:20.04 | rocketmagnet | but i need to set the dir permissions to 777 to get it writeable =(, so i search for a way to just set the appropriate user/group to do this |
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| 20:21.03 | asg | rocketmagnet: the apache server on Debian runs as user www-data |
| 20:21.40 | rocketmagnet | so if i change the user to www-data the php code can write to the dirs ? |
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| 20:22.04 | duns_s | why is the xen benchmark not right and the paravirtualization is only a hype? |
| 20:22.13 | asg | rocketmagnet: or make the directories writable to group www-data |
| 20:22.24 | petemc | duns_s: what are you talking about? |
| 20:23.11 | bzed | sounds like a troll |
| 20:24.14 | rabbit7 | i have a remote system that hangs on boot. |
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| 20:24.36 | rabbit7 | the system is pingable but there are no entries in /var/log whatsoever |
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| 20:25.07 | rabbit7 | can anybody help me debug that problem ? i have no clue where the problem could be |
| 20:25.10 | asg | rabbit7: where does it hange? |
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| 20:25.21 | asg | *hang |
| 20:25.38 | rabbit7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:25.47 | rabbit7 | just network and a rescue system |
| 20:25.59 | asg | rabbit7: how long have you waited before giving up? |
| 20:26.03 | rabbit7 | the system is pingable after the reboot |
| 20:26.09 | rabbit7 | like maybe 5 minutes |
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| 20:26.40 | asg | rabbit7: probably not a DNS timeout then. How are you trying to access it? |
| 20:26.58 | rabbit7 | ping and ssh |
| 20:27.19 | asg | rabbit7: if you 'telnet <server> 22', do you immediately get the version information from ssh back? |
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| 20:27.53 | rabbit7 | no i get a "connection refused" |
| 20:27.54 | WonderWal | hi, is it possible to run testing but use some packages from unstable? |
| 20:28.09 | rabbit7 | if ssh would have been started i would have entries in /var/log |
| 20:28.11 | asg | rabbit7: then ssh isn't running or some firewall device (or iptables) is blocking access |
| 20:28.34 | rabbit7 | its not running.. if it would have been started I would see something in /var/log |
| 20:28.57 | asg | rabbit7: how do you have access to /var/log if your only access to the box is via ssh? (which isn't working) |
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| 20:29.07 | rabbit7 | there is a rescue system which i can boot |
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| 20:29.28 | ma3x | why sudo cat /dev/null > /var/log/somelogfile.log won't work. and if I do it with root, it works |
| 20:29.31 | rabbit7 | like a rescue cd |
| 20:29.38 | WonderWal | anyone? |
| 20:29.39 | Nosf3ratu | bueller? |
| 20:29.57 | asg | rabbit7: then I'd suggest that the system is not up because it is waiting for console input before getting to the staring ssh bit. |
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| 20:30.34 | asg | rabbit7: i.e., a file system check |
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| 20:30.34 | rabbit7 | is the network up bevor the file system check ? |
| 20:30.46 | asg | rabbit7: obviously or you wouldn't be able to ping the box |
| 20:31.14 | rabbit7 | so i reboot the system and do a manual fsck |
| 20:31.17 | rabbit7 | i hope that helps |
| 20:31.24 | asg | rabbit7: it's worth a shot |
| 20:31.47 | rabbit7 | it could also be an issue between mounting the / from read only to rw |
| 20:31.59 | rabbit7 | i dont kow if the initrd image is initializing the network card or not |
| 20:32.06 | foo | wols / xingu: Hm, amd64 didn't work. Threw some kernel panic. Bah. And it doesn't look like there is a -highmem kernel or anything. hmm, any other ideas? The system is remote and I'm trying to spare the guys on the other end as much as possible |
| 20:32.18 | drako | how i can make date return date on english when is retuning on a diferent language? |
| 20:32.49 | asg | rabbit7: if the '/' filesystem is ro, you might not be able to login with ssh. You shouldn't get a connection refused though, that indicates the port isn't open or something wants you to think that. |
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| 20:33.52 | morvok | yawn.. building a router sucks... |
| 20:33.58 | rabbit7 | asg: well the part where the filesytem gets mounted rw is bevor the runlevel 2 gets initialized. that means bevore ssh is started |
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| 20:34.46 | duns_s | petemec about the link i posted above |
| 20:34.52 | asg | rabbit7: does it actually get mounted rw? Does this happen on the live system or only on the rescue cd? Do the logs bear out that it is mounted rw. |
| 20:34.55 | duns_s | i had some discussion about xen in this thread recently |
| 20:35.20 | duns_s | and the general opinion was that it is not better than the other solutions |
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| 20:35.59 | asg | duns_s: no solution is better than other solutions; most solutions are better than other solutions in certain problem spaces. |
| 20:36.47 | duns_s | asg: sure |
| 20:37.10 | duns_s | asg: but my problem was, that i cannot use the 686 xen kernel, since my via c3 only support 586 |
| 20:37.25 | foo | Hm, the BIOS sees 4GB of RAM, but debian sees 3.2GB RAM with the i686 kernel and etch. the -amd64 kernel threw a kernel panic. The system is remote and I'm trying to do as much on my end as possible. Any other ideas? |
| 20:37.25 | rabbit7 | asg the filesytem gets mounted rw after initr finnishes |
| 20:37.31 | rabbit7 | initrd |
| 20:37.36 | duns_s | and i've thought about using some vm for outside traffic |
| 20:37.49 | duns_s | webserver/ sftp file share |
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| 20:38.24 | duns_s | it is not necessary but it would be great to have the possibility to take some things out of the stable server |
| 20:38.54 | rabbit7 | asg: do you know if initrd brings up the network already ? im unsure :( |
| 20:39.01 | Presently42 | I am wondering if some one can point me to documentation concorning the installation of grub-pc on Debian. Thanks. |
| 20:39.06 | duns_s | what is the "best" way to install ntfs-3g on etch? |
| 20:39.16 | asg | rabbit7: does *anything* get written in /var/log/* at all? |
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| 20:39.23 | duns_s | i've found automatix... |
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| 20:39.51 | rabbit7 | asg: no |
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| 20:40.32 | asg | rabbit7: then that would indicate that either a) syslogd isn't started or b) /var/log/'s parent mountpoint is not writable. |
| 20:40.39 | rabbit7 | asg: it might be a problem related to lilo and dmraid, lvm |
| 20:40.54 | rabbit7 | asg: but why in hell would the system be pingable ? |
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| 20:41.38 | pablo_ | hi, is debian website made in javascript? |
| 20:41.45 | streuner | no |
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| 20:41.47 | asg | rabbit7: oh, so you have more than one partition besides '/'? Is /tmp a separate partitions? how about /var? |
| 20:41.51 | WonderWal | hi there, i need to run a server with the following packages: sun java5 (but the latest version must be available), jsvc and ant. should i run testing? how long does it usually take for the latest jdk to be in testing? |
| 20:41.54 | asg | pablo_: no |
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| 20:42.20 | streuner | Debian doesn't like Javascript or such crap not much... |
| 20:42.24 | opensores | how do i make variables permanent? |
| 20:42.31 | WonderWal | how can i check what date a package was commited to the repo? |
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| 20:42.43 | pablo_ | asg: in what? |
| 20:42.44 | asg | WonderWal: install the 'java-package' package and use it to install the *latest* version of the jdk |
| 20:42.47 | rabbit7 | yeah actually that might be the problem |
| 20:42.50 | asg | pablo_: HTML |
| 20:43.01 | rvsjoen | does java-package work for java6 now ? |
| 20:43.21 | asg | rvsjoen: no clue, he mentioned java5 though |
| 20:43.50 | pablo_ | asg: and if someone wants to add news and that? you need to edit the code? |
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| 20:44.36 | asg | pablo_: the people that run it probably build static HTML from dynamic data with scripts run from cron. This isn't particularly surprising. |
| 20:44.39 | rabbit7 | asg: usr and var is on a separate partition, ( lvm ) which i have rebuilt maybe i have to tell the system this information |
| 20:44.49 | Vasistha | !tell WonderWal -about pdo |
| 20:45.20 | asg | rabbit7: could be. |
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| 20:47.03 | pablo_ | asg: ha ok |
| 20:47.09 | rabbit7 | asg do you know where dmraid / lvm stores its info about raid devices ? |
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| 20:47.33 | asg | rabbit7: in /etc, though I don't know where offhand. /etc/raidtab perhaps? |
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| 20:49.38 | foo | wols / xingu : FYI, I installed the -686-bigmem ... and it worked. |
| 20:50.13 | Presently42 | I also can't chainload into grub2 from the menu.lst, which still pops up. |
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| 20:51.11 | foo | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:51.12 | foo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:52.44 | asg | foo: you have far too many windows open |
| 20:53.01 | foo | asg: irssi++ :D |
| 20:53.08 | asg | touche |
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| 20:54.19 | WonderWal | right, so take http://packages.debian.org/testing/devel/sun-java6-jdk . how do i know what date and time that was added to testing? |
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| 20:55.20 | Vasistha | WonderWal: don't know if that info is very easy to come by. Why would you want that? |
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| 20:56.10 | WonderWal | Vasistha, so i can see how long it took them to add it to the repo |
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| 20:56.34 | rabbit7 | asg: thanks a buhc |
| 20:56.41 | rabbit7 | asg: thanks a bunch you just saved my live |
| 20:56.52 | asg | WonderWal: it would have entered testing between 2 and 7 days after entering unstable (unless there were odd circumstances) |
| 20:56.55 | Vasistha | WonderWal: well, at a minimum, it takes 10 days, because it has to go through sid first and not have any bad bugs filed against it |
| 20:56.58 | asg | rabbit7: you're welcome |
| 20:57.07 | Vasistha | asg: huh, I thought it was 10 |
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| 20:57.31 | asg | Vasistha: it could have been nudged though you are likely correct in this case |
| 20:57.37 | WonderWal | Vasistha, then how can i check when it entered sid? |
| 20:58.01 | Vasistha | WonderWal: there's this site that shows what the status is of certain packages going into testing, I'll see if I can find the link |
| 20:58.05 | rabbit7 | asg: for your information, after recreating md devices /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf had false entries which kept the raid devices from being assembled |
| 20:58.15 | asg | WonderWal: look in the changelog.Debian.gz |
| 20:58.26 | asg | rabbit7: ah, glad you got it working |
| 20:59.41 | morvok | when installing etch. the first partition I create I cannot set to raid volume. but the second one on each disk I can. why is that? |
| 21:00.48 | Vasistha | WonderWal: Why is package X not in testing yet? : http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl |
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| 21:01.17 | hark | WonderWal: http://packages.qa.debian.org/s/sun-java6.html |
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| 21:03.24 | WonderWal | thanks |
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| 21:04.56 | WonderWal | is it possible to install packages from unstable though? |
| 21:05.00 | WonderWal | when you're using testing |
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| 21:06.10 | poli | Hello! How do I report that etch's postgresql-8.1-pljava-ecj is missing a link to libjvm.so? |
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| 21:06.44 | streuner | BTS? |
| 21:06.48 | foo | I'm trying to mount an nfs share and I'm seeing this ... mount: RPC: Timed out .. hmm, nothing obvious in the logs. Maybe it's perms /me checks |
| 21:07.12 | streuner | foo: is portmap installed? |
| 21:07.20 | foo | streuner: yup, I thought it was that too |
| 21:07.24 | foo | streuner: nfs-common is installed, for that matter |
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| 21:08.13 | Vasistha | WonderWal: it is possible to add an unstable repo and to selectively install from it. You'll need to use apt pinning. |
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| 21:08.37 | WonderWal | Vasistha, but generally one should stick with what they've chosen? |
| 21:08.37 | foo | streuner: hm, I can ping the box. /me thinks |
| 21:08.56 | Vasistha | foo: On three seperate occasions over the years, I have spent a few hours getting nfs working. Then, it just stops working, for no reason, even though all services are running and no config files have changed. I don't know why. My conclusion has sadly been that nfs just sucks :( |
| 21:09.00 | streuner | foo: try to put the IP into /etc/hosts |
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| 21:09.25 | foo | streuner: hm, I'm using the IP directly |
| 21:09.32 | foo | streuner: No hostname to resolve |
| 21:09.38 | foo | Vasistha: hm, interesting. I've never had an issue. |
| 21:09.48 | Vasistha | WonderWal: well, running a mixed testing/unstable is not for the faint at heart. It may break. You say you're running a server ... you should really be running stable, honestly. How familiar are you with debian and linux? |
| 21:10.12 | xingu | foo: also try adding "tcp" to your mount flags |
| 21:10.18 | streuner | foo: well, is nfs-kernel-server installed on the server? :-) |
| 21:10.42 | foo | streuner: yeah... I've mounted other shares on this server. Boy, this is weird. |
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| 21:11.21 | foo | streuner: It's in /etc/exports: /shared2 192.168.1.0/24(rw,anonuid=1001,anongid=1001) ... I am mounting with: mount 192.168.1.4:/shared2 /shared2/ ... I've done this same thing like 12+ times in the past week. |
| 21:11.29 | WonderWal | Vasistha, im familiar with gentoo linux and freebsd. but im just asking questions to gauge. i would like to run stable, but as i said, it's important than i run the latest sun jdk. |
| 21:12.13 | regulate | does debian provide gnome-panel configuration defaults? |
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| 21:13.48 | foo | streuner: actually, I followed the debian howto on securing nfs. I bet it changed ports or somethin |
| 21:13.55 | WonderWal | Vasistha, so all in all this server will need the latest jdk available, openssh, ant and jsvc. |
| 21:14.23 | foo | streuner: http://wiki.debian.org/?SecuringNFS .. hm, I don't see a definition for a different way to mount the share there or anything. |
| 21:15.14 | streuner | foo: so it works, if you disable the fw? :-) |
| 21:15.37 | foo | streuner: no firewall, just followed that howto |
| 21:16.20 | ustunozgur | WonderWal: someone above suggested java-package, have you tried that? |
| 21:16.34 | ustunozgur | other than that, you may backport packages. |
| 21:16.45 | karsten | regulate: Howso? |
| 21:16.52 | WonderWal | ustunozgur, im just researching right now. i haven't tried it. |
| 21:17.43 | ustunozgur | OK, so it basically makes a deb out of java's tar.gz so that you can remove it or upgrade it easily. |
| 21:18.19 | me_here | i just don't understand the debian way to install kernels..... i mean why should i need an extra .deb package to do so ? |
| 21:18.43 | foo | streuner: eg. no shorewall. hm |
| 21:18.46 | ustunozgur | !backport |
| 21:18.46 | dpkg | backport is probably a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> Beware that if you add backports.org to your sources.list, you will get *all* backports when you upgrade. Read the instructions on how to only get ... |
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| 21:19.06 | omercnet | hi there |
| 21:19.11 | streuner | me_here: debian kernels are initrd kernels... |
| 21:19.16 | formorer | this entry is wrong |
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| 21:19.31 | formorer | you don't get all backports if you add it to you sources.list |
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| 21:19.54 | omercnet | I have a machine running on Linux 2.6.18-3-amd64 ; I wanna apply the atop kernel patch. how do I fetch the needed kernel sources? |
| 21:20.02 | me_here | streuner: they are named initrd but actually are initramfs or not ?? since 2.6 i mean ...... |
| 21:20.16 | streuner | formorer: /msg dpkg no backports is <reply> blah blah |
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| 21:20.34 | WonderWal | ustunozgur, java-package seems useful. |
| 21:20.44 | streuner | me_here: there are 3 packages in Debian which make initrd |
| 21:20.50 | me_here | those fucking manpages and docs are sooo confusing... |
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| 21:21.05 | me_here | streuner: which ? |
| 21:21.30 | WonderWal | ustunozgur, is it guaranteed to always work? |
| 21:21.37 | streuner | formorer: http://www.infobot.org/guide-0.43.x.html |
| 21:21.44 | me_here | it |
| 21:21.46 | me_here | 's |
| 21:21.47 | me_here | mario |
| 21:21.49 | me_here | sounds |
| 21:21.51 | me_here | here |
| 21:21.53 | me_here | lol |
| 21:22.13 | ustunozgur | personally I have never tried it; just know that it exists ;) |
| 21:22.29 | Vasistha | WonderWal: is anything guaranteed to always work? :) |
| 21:22.30 | sussudio | %kill me_here |
| 21:22.31 | streuner | me_here: yairds works only without udev, there are 2 others |
| 21:22.49 | WonderWal | Vasistha, no, but some things more than others |
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| 21:24.08 | WonderWal | perhaps i'll run testing :) |
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| 21:24.51 | WonderWal | isnt testing more stable than most distros anyway? |
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| 21:25.39 | streuner | well, iam satisfied with stable |
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| 21:26.18 | streuner | usually you install stable and you have less headaches |
| 21:26.44 | streuner | nothing is easier to just use Debian stable |
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| 21:26.46 | Vasistha | stable's nice. I've done a couple simple backports here and there, which have worked fine for me without much trouble |
| 21:27.09 | regulate | stable is usually too old for developers |
| 21:27.23 | streuner | sure |
| 21:27.30 | streuner | developer use unstable :-) |
| 21:27.38 | regulate | yeah |
| 21:27.42 | regulate | i'm about to dist-upgrade |
| 21:27.50 | me_here | i'm not a developer .... mind you... |
| 21:27.54 | streuner | but that's not a very good idea for production servers... |
| 21:27.54 | foo | streuner: It was definitely that hardening. I just reinstalled, purged conf'd... works.. |
| 21:28.04 | regulate | libgtk is too old in testing |
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| 21:28.14 | h3sp4wn | I would never be satisfied with testing (if it gets broken it takes too long to be fixed) |
| 21:28.27 | WonderWal | streuner, what are you running on stable? |
| 21:28.55 | streuner | NFS, web, mail - server |
| 21:29.14 | streuner | its works like a charm |
| 21:29.46 | WonderWal | right, now put yourself in my shoes. all you need is a jdk and openssh. do you see running testing a bad idea? |
| 21:29.57 | regulate | nope |
| 21:30.52 | streuner | foo: hm, good to hear |
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| 21:31.21 | WonderWal | i mean it is for a server, but we're not going to need many packages anyway. |
| 21:31.37 | streuner | well, install etch then |
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| 21:33.11 | WonderWal | you mean lenny? |
| 21:33.20 | streuner | no, lenny is testing |
| 21:33.24 | streuner | !lenny |
| 21:33.24 | dpkg | hmm... lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. Lenny is the binoculars. ask me about <etch->lenny> |
| 21:33.24 | WonderWal | lol |
| 21:33.25 | Vasistha | WonderWal: IMO, it's easier to manage the hassle of doing simple sid backports for two packages, than it is to manage a whole 'testing' system |
| 21:33.38 | mcm | does anyone else has problems with libqt ? where all kde applications segfaults... btw: using debian unstable. |
| 21:33.51 | streuner | mcm: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 21:34.09 | WonderWal | Vasistha, how can i check which backports are available? |
| 21:34.28 | WonderWal | Vasistha, so you're saying run stable but use the latest jdk available in sid? |
| 21:34.31 | Vasistha | WonderWal: /msg dpkg backports && /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 21:34.58 | gubluntu | how do i watch a serial input device for activity? |
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| 21:35.19 | wols | gubluntu: cat /dev/ttyS3 |
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| 21:35.33 | mcm | streuner: so what should i read in sid faq? |
| 21:36.23 | selam | what is the debian_version file content for unstable ? |
| 21:36.36 | kombi | what is the optin for nmap to discover a dhcp server? |
| 21:36.51 | mcm | selam: lenny/sid |
| 21:36.58 | kombi | s/optin/option/ |
| 21:37.19 | selam | nvidia-glx: Depends: nvidia-kernel-1.0.9755 but it is not installable but i see on packages.debian.org |
| 21:37.47 | gubluntu | has anyone had any success using a serial touchscreen ? |
| 21:37.51 | selam | mcm thanks |
| 21:38.17 | streuner | mcm: the whole FAQ? :-P |
| 21:38.20 | WonderWal | Vasistha, surely someone inexperienced with debian shouldnt try that? |
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| 21:38.48 | streuner | mcm: Welcome to unstable :-) |
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| 21:38.59 | mcm | streuner: ok... |
| 21:39.02 | Vasistha | WonderWal: surely someone inexperienced with debian shouldn't try running testing/unstable. better to use stable with a couple backports |
| 21:39.14 | gubluntu | i have a elo 15 inch touch screen and the drivers are installed and i see output on ttyS0.... only problem is i dont know how to get it to control the mouse |
| 21:39.27 | mcm | streuner: i know. i'm running unstable since about 5 years now... |
| 21:39.47 | Vasistha | gubluntu: what version of debian are you using? |
| 21:40.10 | gubluntu | sarge |
| 21:40.19 | streuner | mcm: iam running sid since '99 ;-) |
| 21:40.25 | mcm | therefore it was a specific question to see if anyone else has the same problem or just me, since i haven't upgraded for more then a month... |
| 21:40.26 | wols | gubluntu: switch the mouse protocol around |
| 21:40.30 | wols | try "auto" first |
| 21:40.37 | streuner | mcm: tried BTS? |
| 21:40.48 | gubluntu | should i remove my usb mouse when i do auto? |
| 21:40.57 | mcm | streuner: i was going... as next task... |
| 21:41.05 | wols | no. just tell it to check /dev/ttySx and not some usb device |
| 21:41.15 | gubluntu | tried that |
| 21:41.17 | gubluntu | no luck |
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| 21:41.30 | h3sp4wn | mcm: if you move ~/.kde out of the way does it work then ? (kde has a habit of messing up that directory if its upgraded in place) |
| 21:41.46 | wols | then try one mouse thing after the other. and remove the usb mouse |
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| 21:42.09 | wols | cause your X needs to check /dev/ttySx, not usb at least at first |
| 21:42.16 | wols | X cn have 2 mice |
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| 21:44.12 | mcm | h3sp4wn: still segfault... |
| 21:45.02 | gubluntu | doesnt work |
| 21:45.12 | streuner | !doesn't work |
| 21:45.12 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 21:45.14 | WonderWal | Vasistha, even for such a small amount of packages? |
| 21:45.30 | streuner | mcm: what kind of app? Did you look at BTS yet? |
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| 21:45.51 | gubluntu | mouse does not move when i drag my finger across the screen |
| 21:46.22 | Vasistha | WonderWal: I don't understand the context of your question. Are you suggesting that you think it will be easier to run testing, than to run stable with a few backports, because you think you will not have very many testing packages? |
| 21:46.43 | WonderWal | Vasistha, yes |
| 21:46.46 | bubux | can i use .fon files with debian? how? |
| 21:46.52 | mcm | streuner: libqt3-mt |
| 21:47.12 | Vasistha | bubux: dunno. start with ''man defoma'' I guess |
| 21:47.18 | bubux | ok |
| 21:47.31 | mcm | streuner: according to gdb it segfaults on '#0 0xb7874608 in QDesktopWidgetPrivate::init () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3' |
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| 21:47.44 | Vasistha | WonderWal: well, would you like me to repeat what I just said? Because my position hasn't changed ;) |
| 21:47.45 | streuner | mcm: try BTS first, if that doesn't help ask in #debian-kde too |
| 21:48.12 | WonderWal | Vasistha, hehe okay. |
| 21:48.13 | mcm | streuner: #debian-kde good idea thanks. |
| 21:48.45 | WonderWal | Vasistha, I guess maybe run stable and use java-package if necessary. |
| 21:48.46 | Vasistha | WonderWal: no matter what you're running, you're *going* to be using libc6. If you use stable, you've got the stable libc6. If testing, then that's what you've got. Practically everything relies on it ... and a testing system is simply less stable. |
| 21:49.06 | streuner | !tell roadboy about away |
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| 21:49.19 | Vasistha | WonderWal: yeah. it's really much better to use stable, if at all possible! |
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| 21:51.56 | JordiGH | There's something about file permissions I don't understand. How do new files get their attributes? I want new files to be 664 instead of 644. How can I do this? |
| 21:52.03 | WonderWal | Vasistha, aww there is a sun-java6 backport. |
| 21:52.10 | Vasistha | JordiGH: umask |
| 21:52.36 | JordiGH | Vasistha: Can I make it so that the files in only one directory have that create status? |
| 21:52.48 | JordiGH | I mean, without mounting that directory as a separate partition. :-/ |
| 21:52.50 | streuner | JordiGH: why not reading Greg's permissions FAQ? (/msg dpkg permissions) |
| 21:52.53 | Vasistha | WonderWal: hard to say. etch is only a month and a half old; the backports are not yet in full force. Check backports.org and apt-get.org ... and if not, do a simple sid backport |
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| 21:53.28 | WonderWal | Vasistha, i did check, and there is one . |
| 21:53.38 | WonderWal | Vasistha, as i said abovwe |
| 21:54.07 | Vasistha | WonderWal: oh, heh, I thought you were expressing disappointment with "aww" and I didn't carefully read the rest of your msg ;) |
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| 21:54.27 | WonderWal | sorry if i wasn't clear. |
| 21:55.23 | JordiGH | stew: Btw, if you're here, let me know if there's a better way to do this: rename "s/\b\w/$_ = $&; tr#[a-z]#[A-Z]#; $_/ge" * |
| 21:56.00 | streuner | !seen stew |
| 21:56.01 | dpkg | stew is currently on #debian-ops #debian. Has said a total of 34 messages. Is idling for 5h 42m 24s, last said: 'hazard2: not currently. there is a script on p12n.org that does it using equivs though'. |
| 21:56.10 | JordiGH | stew: The problem with that one is that I didn't realise that apostrophes and some UTF characters count as delimiters. |
| 21:56.19 | JordiGH | streuner: He'll read the logs then. ;-) |
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| 21:58.19 | ustunozgur | when selecting locales with dpkg-reconfigure, is selecting utf-8 almost always the best? why or why not? |
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| 21:58.45 | streuner | ustunozgur: UTF-8 give some headaches with some apps |
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| 21:59.02 | JordiGH | ustunozgur: utf-8 is supposed to be universal... one code to rule them all. Unfortunately, not all apps have joined the Unicode revolution yet. |
| 21:59.03 | streuner | ustunozgur: you can choose whatever you want... |
| 21:59.10 | hugoG | anyone know if osx has a channel like this? |
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| 21:59.17 | streuner | #osx |
| 21:59.21 | JordiGH | hugoG: It does. |
| 21:59.29 | hugoG | now if feel stupid |
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| 21:59.37 | hugoG | freenode? |
| 21:59.40 | streuner | oh, its empty :-) |
| 21:59.52 | streuner | but, there is a channel on freenode |
| 21:59.58 | JordiGH | It's here. #mac or something. |
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| 22:00.04 | hugoG | thanks |
| 22:00.10 | JordiGH | or #macosx and that should direct you to the proper channel. |
| 22:00.31 | dimsuz | Hi! Guys, I'm in trouble while installing debian on asus a9 laptop. Install hangs in early kernel loading stage at "Using HPET for base-timer" message... any hints? |
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| 22:01.10 | ustunozgur | streuner: locales have nothing to do with keyboard, right? what should I modify for tty1? |
| 22:01.23 | dimsuz | maybe this is some kind of common problem? I tried kubuntu dapper livecd it hangs too... |
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| 22:01.45 | dimsuz | but kernel output is hidden in kubuntu case... |
| 22:02.05 | streuner | ustunozgur: keyboard should be /dev/psaux |
| 22:02.13 | nalioth | hugoG: ##apple or #macosx |
| 22:02.19 | Muisje | How can i view servers time? |
| 22:02.23 | nalioth | hugoG: if you're desperate, ##mac |
| 22:02.24 | WonderWal | i must be honest. im considering debian because i installed ubuntu server and it shipped with ALSA. |
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| 22:02.41 | garo | Which package contains the 'oggenc' binary ? |
| 22:02.50 | WonderWal | why on earth would a server need ALSA? |
| 22:03.03 | streuner | vorbis |
| 22:03.16 | garo | thanks |
| 22:03.22 | Muisje | How can i view servers timezone? |
| 22:03.24 | rvsjoen | vorbis-tools |
| 22:03.45 | me_here | oh too late |
| 22:03.54 | me_here | oggvorbis |
| 22:04.03 | rvsjoen | Muisje: /etc/timezone |
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| 22:04.55 | Muisje | its correct |
| 22:05.00 | Muisje | how can i view servers time? |
| 22:05.04 | rvsjoen | date |
| 22:05.12 | uber_newb | greetings, how do i create a md5 hash of a string.. i tried md5sum password and it barfed... TIA |
| 22:05.18 | JordiGH | WonderWal: So that users can remotely play their favourite music to thank the sysadmin? |
| 22:05.18 | Muisje | Ok, thats all good |
| 22:05.20 | streuner | ustunozgur: you question doesn't make sense |
| 22:05.27 | Muisje | now why is some apps misunderstanding it. |
| 22:05.35 | Muisje | i'll figure it out :p |
| 22:05.45 | gubluntu | if i see output on /dev/ttyS0, and configuring X to use /dev/ttyS0 doesnt work.. is it my drivers? |
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| 22:06.27 | ustunozgur | streuner: I am asking how to change the keyboard layout for tty1-6. |
| 22:06.56 | rvsjoen | echo password | md5sum ? |
| 22:06.56 | BlackRayne | does debian have badram support built into it |
| 22:06.59 | WonderWal | JordiGH, hahaha |
| 22:07.01 | streuner | !keymap |
| 22:07.01 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx |
| 22:07.13 | uber_newb | i'm trying to figure out what my name would look like in md5 hash.. what is the proper syntax ... and i've already rtm and googled |
| 22:07.34 | ustunozgur | pk, thanks streuner |
| 22:08.05 | anapivirtua | Night all |
| 22:08.27 | uber_newb | so if i echo 'thisismystring' | md5sum, my output will equal an md5 sum of 'thisismystring'? |
| 22:08.32 | streuner | ustunozgur: You're welcome. |
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| 22:09.42 | WonderWal | is debian more meant for a server or a desktop? |
| 22:09.56 | rvsjoen | its whatever you want it to be :) |
| 22:09.58 | moinkey | im trying to get Debian running on a Dell Poweredge 1750, but im having problems with the Broadcom NetXtreme NIC, i have the tg3 module loaded. Any ideas or suggestions? |
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| 22:10.36 | streuner | How to buy another NIC? |
| 22:10.49 | streuner | NIC's are cheap |
| 22:11.14 | sussudio | nic's what? |
| 22:11.24 | Decepticon | ethernet |
| 22:11.26 | Mazingaro | hi, is there anyone playing ioUrbanTerror? |
| 22:11.26 | streuner | !nic |
| 22:11.26 | dpkg | rumour has it, nic is (Network Interface Card) The NIC is an add-in board that enables a computer to connect to some form of computer network.. Network Information Center |
| 22:11.33 | streuner | sussudio: :-) |
| 22:11.41 | sussudio | no, those are NICs |
| 22:12.00 | streuner | what kind of grammar NAZI are you? :-) |
| 22:12.08 | moinkey | yah, thats not an option |
| 22:12.11 | sussudio | it annoys me |
| 22:12.21 | streuner | ok |
| 22:12.27 | sussudio | like people who sell carrot's instead of carrots |
| 22:12.46 | BlackRayne | does debian have badram support built into it? |
| 22:12.56 | Vasistha | sussudio: have you read "Eats, Shoots and Leaves"? |
| 22:13.06 | sussudio | Vasistha: i ate it. |
| 22:13.07 | WonderWal | why are there no mysql 4.1 packages? |
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| 22:13.30 | Vasistha | sussudio: hehe .. brilliant book, that. |
| 22:13.41 | wols | !find mysql-server-4.1 |
| 22:13.45 | dpkg | mysql-server-4.1: (mysql database server (transitional package)), section oldlibs, is extra. Version: 5.0.38-3 (sid), Packaged size: 46 kB, Installed size: 84 kB |
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| 22:13.51 | rvsjoen | BlackRayne: at least there's a kernel patch for badram |
| 22:13.55 | nethenson | hello |
| 22:13.57 | BlackRayne | hmm |
| 22:14.02 | bigfam | i have a small debian issue...i installed damn small linux on an old laptop...im having issues...always getting errors like 'package has no available version, but exists in database' and 'some packages could not be installed. this may mean you have requested an impossible situation or using an unstable distro' |
| 22:14.03 | streuner | moinkey: ok, you want going the 'Hard way' |
| 22:14.03 | BlackRayne | can i use apt-get to install it |
| 22:14.06 | WonderWal | says Version: 5.0.38-3 |
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| 22:14.22 | moinkey | streuner: not the hard way, the only way |
| 22:14.23 | Vasistha | !tell bigfam -about based on debian |
| 22:14.30 | streuner | moinkey: check out groups.google.com and search for 'debian <your nic> |
| 22:14.32 | rvsjoen | you still have to compile a new kernel though |
| 22:14.38 | BlackRayne | hmm |
| 22:14.54 | streuner | moinkey: check out #debian-boot (OFTC) also |
| 22:15.04 | nethenson | I am looking for an application, that will tell me it there are repeated files in some directory. I am thinking in doing a "find . -type f -exec md5sum {} \; > ftp.md5" and checking for repeated md5's... |
| 22:15.07 | nethenson | but i guess that there must be a program that does what i want in a cleverer way (maybe checking size first or something) |
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| 22:15.27 | formorer | nethenson: fdupes |
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| 22:15.40 | bigfam | vasistha...i know, i figured id try anyway...DSL claims that is debian package compatable |
| 22:15.40 | streuner | moinkey: the easy way is always to use supported hardware |
| 22:15.41 | bigfam | bleh |
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| 22:15.44 | bigfam | thnx tho ;P |
| 22:16.05 | rvsjoen | just use the --added-patches parameter of make-kpkg when compiling the kernel |
| 22:16.19 | robin_z | oh good, Icedove is using 450+ mb .. again. |
| 22:16.28 | WonderWal | what do you guys think of ubuntu? ;P |
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| 22:16.31 | nethenson | formorer: apt-get'ing it :) |
| 22:16.52 | robin_z | WonderWal, its the best toilet cleaner I know |
| 22:17.11 | streuner | WonderWal: we just use Debian ;-) |
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| 22:17.20 | nethenson | WonderWal: looking for some flame for chimeny? |
| 22:17.24 | Vasistha | nethenson: yeah, if you really want to write a script yourself (as I did since I didn't know about fdupes) you're probably better off using 'diff' rather than hashing! |
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| 22:18.00 | nethenson | Vasistha: there are like 10.000 files, shall i check all possible pairs? |
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| 22:18.46 | ephemeros | what was the command to know if a module was loaded? |
| 22:18.52 | nethenson | ephemeros: lsmod |
| 22:19.01 | Vasistha | nethenson: well, that's up to you! :) I'm checking out fdupes right now to see what it's like |
| 22:19.06 | ephemeros | k |
| 22:19.18 | WonderWal | is there a list of modules to be looded at boot time? |
| 22:19.36 | streuner | WonderWal: lsmod |
| 22:19.50 | WonderWal | streuner, how can i load a module at boot time? |
| 22:20.12 | Vasistha | WonderWal: /etc/modprobe.d |
| 22:20.14 | nethenson | Vasistha: fdupes seems great :) |
| 22:20.17 | streuner | WonderWal: well, just put them into /etc/modules |
| 22:20.35 | Vasistha | erm, yeah, I was thinking my suggestion wasn't quite right |
| 22:20.36 | rvsjoen | uber_newb: sorry I was wrong earlier, echo -n string | md5sum will produce a MD5 hash of the string |
| 22:20.46 | uber_newb | aaah |
| 22:20.58 | streuner | WonderWal: if you using udev, you should udev rules |
| 22:21.10 | streuner | WonderWal: edit* |
| 22:21.18 | rvsjoen | uber_newb: -n prevents the trailing line feed from being hashed |
| 22:21.35 | nethenson | rvsjoen: right |
| 22:22.32 | bigfam | i got an apt error... E: dynmapic MMap run out of room...package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened |
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| 22:23.03 | streuner | !listkeys mmap |
| 22:23.04 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'mmap' by key (10): 'apt mmap #DEL# ;; _default mmap ;; mmap ;; #debian mmap ;; apt-mmap ;; dynamic-mmap ;; 'apt mmap ;; dynamic mmap ;; _default dynamic mmap ;; #debian dynamic mmap. |
| 22:23.15 | streuner | !dynamic-mmap |
| 22:23.15 | dpkg | dynamic-mmap is, like, "Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist add it, and if you are still having problems try commenting out everything in /etc/apt/sources.list and doing (as root): "cd /; apt-setup", or increasing cache workaround for shortening sources.list |
| 22:23.19 | Vasistha | bigfam: echo 'APT::Cache-Limit "20100200";' > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/80MMap |
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| 22:23.42 | Vasistha | (or use dpkg's suggestion) |
| 22:23.44 | bigfam | thanks |
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| 22:26.13 | lepine_h | hey guys, i'm having a problem with an Etch installation ... |
| 22:26.20 | lepine_h | my NIC doesn't show up anymore ... |
| 22:26.34 | rvsjoen | anymore ? |
| 22:26.53 | lepine_h | it worked fine on the first boot, showed up as eth1 ... now its not detected |
| 22:27.28 | lepine_h | dmesg mentions nothing of a nic |
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| 22:28.37 | Vasistha | lepine_h: does lspci show the device? |
| 22:28.38 | WonderWal | right im looking to download debian, it's on 3DVDS? that's a bit much.. what does that include? |
| 22:28.46 | lepine_h | nope! |
| 22:28.49 | formorer | 18.000 packes |
| 22:28.50 | streuner | !d-i WonderWal |
| 22:28.50 | dpkg | WonderWal, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 22:28.52 | formorer | eh packages |
| 22:29.09 | streuner | !dstats sid |
| 22:29.11 | Vasistha | WonderWal: just use the net install ;) |
| 22:29.14 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 21024 packages, 1843 maintainers, 49524 MB installed size, 16662 MB compressed size. |
| 22:29.43 | streuner | formorer: must be etch :-) |
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| 22:29.49 | WonderWal | noo, i just need an install cd with most useful packages. |
| 22:29.50 | lepine_h | and the nic lights are on |
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| 22:30.13 | jhujhiti | is there a howto somewhere on setting up and EAP-TLS client with etch? i can't seem to find anything with google |
| 22:30.19 | formorer | WonderWal: just take the netinstall and get everything else via network |
| 22:31.02 | lepine_h | how odd ... |
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| 22:31.11 | lepine_h | i moved the computer, and it reappeared ... |
| 22:31.21 | Decepticon | help, im halfway across the world and i've ejected the cdrom drive |
| 22:31.45 | Decepticon | how do i close it (im on vnc and ssh) |
| 22:31.55 | rdz | hello everyone. i added a daily cronjob to crontab, the command is 'ntpdate swisstime.ethz.ch'. though it works, when i enter that command into a terminal, cron sends me mails complaining: '/bin/sh: ntpdate: command not found'. why does cron not find my command, but my terminal does? |
| 22:31.58 | shogunx | Decepticon, eject -t |
| 22:32.02 | Vasistha | lepine_h: erm, I guess it appearing an disappearing from lspci probably rules out a bad cable ;) heh |
| 22:32.08 | Vasistha | *and |
| 22:32.12 | Wyzard | rdz: Use ntpd rather than running ntpdate from a cronjob |
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| 22:32.22 | Decepticon | shogunx how do i know for sure if the tray is sticking out or not |
| 22:32.36 | rdz | Wyzard, is that the solution to my problem or rather a suggestion? |
| 22:32.37 | shogunx | Decepticon, is there a cd in it? |
| 22:32.43 | Decepticon | no there isnt |
| 22:32.49 | rdz | Wyzard, is it hard to setup ntpd? |
| 22:33.00 | Wyzard | rdz: No, it's pretty easy, and it's better than ntpdate anyway |
| 22:33.03 | Cooner750 | I downloaded Debian 4.0 i386 Netinst and burnt to a disc, etc, etc... -- I am trying to boot this disc in an old Dell, Pentium 133 with 32MB RAM -- and after trying to read the disc it skips to the HD.. Help? |
| 22:33.05 | shogunx | Decepticon, not sure there is a way to verify that. |
| 22:33.11 | Decepticon | :S |
| 22:33.15 | rdz | Wyzard, what is the difference? |
| 22:33.23 | Vasistha | Decepticon: man eject ? |
| 22:33.30 | rdz | Wyzard, is there any disadvantage to use ntpdate? |
| 22:34.09 | Vasistha | Decepticon: there's a --trayclose option to eject :) |
| 22:34.18 | Cooner750 | The MD5 does match. |
| 22:34.21 | Decepticon | Vasistha yeah i saw |
| 22:34.32 | Wyzard | rdz: ntpdate is a one-shot thing each time you run it -- the clock will "jump" directly to the new time, which can confuse programs in some cases |
| 22:34.34 | ustunozgur | Cooner750: does the cd boot in another computer? |
| 22:34.52 | Cooner750 | ustunozgur: Let me try it |
| 22:34.53 | rdz | Wyzard, ah yes, i experienced that once... |
| 22:34.59 | Cooner750 | brb |
| 22:35.03 | rdz | Wyzard, thank you much for your suggestions |
| 22:35.11 | Wyzard | rdz: ntpd measures how fast or slow your system's clock runs and keeps it correct on a continuous basis |
| 22:35.21 | rdz | Wyzard, sounds good |
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| 22:35.47 | rdz | Wyzard, is openntpd the appropriate package to install? |
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| 22:36.05 | Wyzard | rdz: I'd just use ntpd |
| 22:36.17 | Wyzard | rdz: I don't know whether openntpd is better or not |
| 22:36.26 | foo | How can I set the default editor to be vim for things like crontab -e ? EDITOR=vim in .bash_profile isn't good enough |
| 22:36.37 | JordiGH | I'm trying to connect to a wireless network with WPA2 authentication. Is this possible? |
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| 22:36.39 | debianix | hello, would you ppl know if there is any kind of software that can record live radio stream ? |
| 22:36.39 | Vasistha | foo: /etc/alternatives |
| 22:36.48 | foo | Vasistha: ah, that was it, thanks |
| 22:36.50 | Vasistha | debianix: #mplayer |
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| 22:37.11 | WonderWal | is acpi needed to reboot a system? |
| 22:37.14 | rdz | Wyzard, i cannot find a package called 'ntpd' in the etch repository |
| 22:37.22 | foo | Vasistha: hm, the files in there are binaries |
| 22:37.32 | lepine_h | is there a way to install through network only? eg, a laptop with no working CDrom, and unpowered USB ports (thus no usb keys) |
| 22:37.36 | Vasistha | foo: I think they're actually symlinks, no? |
| 22:37.47 | Wyzard | rdz: oops, sorry, the package is "ntp" |
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| 22:37.59 | rdz | Wyzard, ah, ok. thanks |
| 22:38.06 | rgsteele_home | lepine_h: Yep. Use the systems network boot agent, if it has one. Hop into your BIOS to tell it to boot using that. |
| 22:38.18 | foo | Vasistha: hm, yeah. Are you saying to replace the nano symlink with vim? |
| 22:38.18 | Vasistha | foo: ls -l /etc/alternatives/editor |
| 22:38.31 | lepine_h | that's what i was thinking about ... but then again ... some type of server must be setup |
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| 22:38.33 | foo | Vasistha: ohhh |
| 22:38.34 | Vasistha | foo: exactly. make editor -> vim |
| 22:38.34 | foo | Vasistha: ok, thanks |
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| 22:38.56 | Cooner750 | Yes, it works in this computer. |
| 22:39.13 | rgsteele_home | lepine_h: Yep. Presumably a tftp server. |
| 22:39.14 | Vasistha | debianix: specifically, you'll probably want mencoder, which is usually packaged with mplayer, although not in debian.. you may need to use the mplayer packages from <debian-multimedia> or ... I think tarzeau packages it as well |
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| 22:39.30 | Cooner750 | Any ideas why it's not booting on the old box? |
| 22:39.33 | Vasistha | !tell lepine_h about hd-media |
| 22:39.42 | tarzeau | Vasistha, debianix: yes at gnu.ethz.ch/debian/mplayer/ |
| 22:39.58 | lepine_h | thanks! |
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| 22:40.20 | Vasistha | Cooner750: could be your bios is not set up to boot cd-rom's? |
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| 22:40.33 | foo | Hm, if I change the crontab to be this: * * * * * #command ... then it won't do anything, right? |
| 22:40.34 | Cooner750 | Vasistha: It is, because I booted a NetBSD disc earlier and installed that |
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| 22:41.04 | debianix | nice :) |
| 22:41.06 | ustunozgur | Cooner750: media type |
| 22:41.12 | uski | hi, i have a problem, suddenly i got 404 errors when doing apt-get iupgrade, like i need to update my apt.conf; problem: i don't know what to put into it. Can anyone point me to what I can do to solve that ? I(believe) I'm using unstable |
| 22:41.19 | branstrom | Anyone here running nginx? |
| 22:41.24 | debianix | many thx Vasistha and tarzeau |
| 22:41.52 | Vasistha | Cooner750: you might try a slower burn, like a 32x or 16x burn speed, rather than 48x or 52x ... also, you might try a different brand of cd-r's that are best adapted to your burner. or, just do a hard drive install: /msg dpkg hd-media |
| 22:42.09 | Vasistha | uski: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 22:42.56 | Cooner750 | How about trying another drive? |
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| 22:43.01 | Cooner750 | This one is tempremental at best |
| 22:43.47 | ustunozgur | foo: you should use " update-alternatives --config editor" I think. |
| 22:44.06 | ustunozgur | rather than manually changing the symlink. |
| 22:44.18 | Vasistha | Cooner750: also not a bad idea. |
| 22:44.30 | foo | ustunozgur: ah, whoops. ok, I'll do that next time |
| 22:44.31 | foo | hehe |
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| 22:44.51 | Vasistha | foo: you could actually still do it, just to reconfirm what's there :) |
| 22:44.56 | foo | hehe |
| 22:45.05 | rdz | foo, i have the same problem: how to change the editor for crontab to vim. i couldn't follow Vasistha's suggestion with /etc/alternatives |
| 22:45.25 | Vasistha | rdz: then use ustunozgur's better suggestion, just above |
| 22:46.06 | rdz | Vasistha, ustunozgur, many thanks |
| 22:46.32 | rdz | Vasistha, i should have read a bit further... sorry for double-asking |
| 22:46.39 | Vasistha | np |
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| 22:48.29 | blahdeblah | Hi. After i rebooted on the recently released etch kernel update, my multimedia volume keys in GNOME don't work any more. |
| 22:48.29 | blahdeblah | The volume control panel works fine, the keyboard mappings are still present and accurate, and the OSD shows up, but it doesn't affect the volume. Any ideas? |
| 22:49.51 | blahdeblah | Actually, i think it might be the recent X updates that have done it. |
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| 22:50.48 | blahdeblah | Scratch that last statement. |
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| 22:52.37 | zeee | http://magegame.ru/?rf=53617264656c6b61 |
| 22:52.39 | zeee | http://magegame.ru/?rf=53617264656c6b61 |
| 22:52.41 | zeee | http://magegame.ru/?rf=53617264656c6b61 |
| 22:52.43 | zeee | http://magegame.ru/?rf=53617264656c6b61 |
| 22:52.43 | abrotman | zeee: stop |
| 22:52.45 | zeee | http://magegame.ru/?rf=53617264656c6b61 |
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| 22:52.48 | abrotman | !ops zeee |
| 22:52.48 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: abrotman complains about: zeee |
| 22:52.50 | abrotman | bah |
| 22:52.57 | blahdeblah | /ignore zeee |
| 22:52.58 | abrotman | sorry |
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| 22:53.11 | blahdeblah | bah - wrong command |
| 22:53.15 | streuner | thanks mentor |
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| 22:53.24 | abrotman | mentor: thank you |
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| 22:53.31 | mentor | stable door bolted |
| 22:53.37 | abrotman | heh |
| 22:53.41 | blahdeblah | :-) |
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| 22:55.30 | Cooner750 | STill wont boot |
| 22:56.05 | blahdeblah | Here are all the packages i've installed in the last month: http://rafb.net/p/njRuNR92.html |
| 22:56.17 | blahdeblah | Can anyone think why they might have affected my volume keys? |
| 22:56.31 | ustunozgur | Cooner750: if everything else fails, try swapping drives. |
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| 22:59.22 | Cooner750 | N go |
| 22:59.23 | Cooner750 | No Go |
| 22:59.24 | Cooner750 | I tried it all |
| 22:59.33 | abrotman | blahdeblah: the kernel ? |
| 22:59.34 | Cooner750 | re-burning at a lower speed and swapping drives |
| 23:00.04 | blahdeblah | abrotman: I figured that, since it happened after a reboot, but it doesn't make much sense, since exactly the same version (just different minor number) was installed previously. |
| 23:00.32 | streuner | abrotman: hi |
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| 23:00.39 | abrotman | you didn't accidentally change the config ? |
| 23:00.41 | abrotman | streuner: hey |
| 23:01.00 | Cooner750 | And here I thought Linux was supposed to run on old hardware |
| 23:01.01 | ustunozgur | Cooner750: did you try normal CD installers? |
| 23:01.12 | Cooner750 | Yes |
| 23:01.34 | Cooner750 | The drive spins up like it's going to do something, and it just sits there, and eventually spins back down |
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| 23:01.50 | abrotman | froppies! |
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| 23:03.25 | abrotman | Cooner750: and the BIOS on that box boots CDs ? |
| 23:03.42 | Cooner750 | abrotman: Set to "CDROM FIRST" |
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| 23:04.07 | abrotman | Cooner750: do you have another bootable CD you can test with ? |
| 23:04.09 | blahdeblah | abrotman: You mean kernel config, or GNOME? I didn't intentionally change either. I use the stock kernels, and i have no reason to touch the volume control key mappings - i use them too much! :-) |
| 23:04.25 | abrotman | blahdeblah: have you tried more than one app ? |
| 23:04.35 | abrotman | blahdeblah: i meant gnome settings |
| 23:05.29 | Cooner750 | abrotman: It worked fine with NetBSD |
| 23:06.13 | blahdeblah | abrotman: I didn't know more than one app controlled the keyboard mappings. |
| 23:06.25 | abrotman | Cooner750: on many older boxen .. i just use floppies .. much easier IMO |
| 23:06.27 | WonderWal | well thanks everyone (especially Vasistha), i'll install debian stable tomorrow |
| 23:07.18 | abrotman | blahdeblah: did you explicitly set them up before .. or they magically worked ? |
| 23:07.35 | blahdeblah | I manually selected them in the keyboard control panel. |
| 23:07.44 | blahdeblah | I did it again now just in case, and they mapped to the same codes |
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| 23:08.56 | abrotman | blahdeblah: i might wander off to #gnome on irc.gnome.org ... |
| 23:09.03 | jhasse | short question: I've downloaded a some source with apt-get source and changed something in the code. How can i know recreate the debian package? |
| 23:09.07 | jhasse | *now |
| 23:09.09 | abrotman | blahdeblah: can you clear the keyboard settings somehow ? |
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| 23:09.20 | abrotman | !mg |
| 23:09.20 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ online). 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or may mean Madagascar. |
| 23:09.45 | blahdeblah | abrotman: Do you want to do this in #gnome? It seems to me that it's more related to the kernel update. |
| 23:10.05 | abrotman | blahdeblah: but the kernel update should only have affected the security item |
| 23:10.13 | blahdeblah | I would have thought so, too. |
| 23:10.16 | jhasse | thx |
| 23:10.20 | blahdeblah | I've disabled those key bindings. |
| 23:10.23 | abrotman | blahdeblah: you could try to compare kernel configs |
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| 23:10.35 | blahdeblah | Does dpkg save them somewhere? |
| 23:10.39 | blahdeblah | (The old ones) |
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| 23:11.02 | JunoDewar | hey, anyone what is 'music.raw' file and why it regularly appears in my home dir? |
| 23:11.09 | blahdeblah | (Incidentally, this is one thing i hate about Debian's kernel update convention - i don't think the running kernel should *ever* be replaced.) |
| 23:11.25 | bigfam | how do I activate the APT:force-loopb? |
| 23:11.37 | abrotman | blahdeblah: no .. you'd have to hunt down the package and get the config from it |
| 23:11.46 | blahdeblah | grrr |
| 23:11.47 | abrotman | bigfam: man dpkg |
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| 23:12.17 | blahdeblah | JunoDewar: Sounds like something is saving a temporary file from ripping a CD or the like. |
| 23:12.27 | bigfam | abrotman, no man pages installed ;/ |
| 23:12.38 | abrotman | bigfam: you have a man page for dpkg if you have dpkg installed |
| 23:12.44 | JunoDewar | yeah I thought so too but what program exactly |
| 23:12.55 | blahdeblah | JunoDewar: What output does 'file music.raw' give? |
| 23:13.02 | JunoDewar | 0 bytes |
| 23:13.08 | blahdeblah | hmmm |
| 23:13.15 | JunoDewar | strange thing I know |
| 23:13.28 | blahdeblah | JunoDewar: definitely |
| 23:13.34 | JunoDewar | I deleted it several times already |
| 23:13.35 | blahdeblah | Tried googling for that filename? |
| 23:13.41 | JunoDewar | yes |
| 23:13.50 | JunoDewar | google is no friend |
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| 23:14.11 | JunoDewar | after a couple days it appears again |
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| 23:14.25 | abrotman | you can't tie it to an app? |
| 23:14.31 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 23:14.31 | dpkg | elnovato | bah,m finally i undestood Jedit is the best IDE ever ever |
| 23:15.05 | JunoDewar | wait, I think I found something in google |
| 23:15.18 | onequestion | I'm trying to get a CVS update, and there's an irrelevant file that is not present on the CVS server, however the CVS keeps timing out because that file is not there. How do I trick CVS into believing that file does not need updating? |
| 23:15.34 | ootput | blahdeblah: it should under different circumstances |
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| 23:18.14 | abrotman | blahdeblah: is snd_pcm_oss loaded ? |
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| 23:20.38 | blahdeblah | abrotman: Yes |
| 23:21.00 | blahdeblah | onequestion: edit your CVS/Entries file |
| 23:21.07 | foo | abrotman: heh, my luck... again... |
| 23:21.18 | blahdeblah | ootput: Not sure what you mean |
| 23:21.38 | blahdeblah | abrotman: Diff on kernel configs gives: |
| 23:21.38 | blahdeblah | 4c4 |
| 23:21.38 | blahdeblah | < # Mon Mar 26 11:33:37 2007 |
| 23:21.38 | blahdeblah | --- |
| 23:21.38 | blahdeblah | > # Fri May 4 00:29:41 2007 |
| 23:21.38 | *** kick/#debian [blahdeblah!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 23:21.38 | foo | Getting some of these in the logs ... any ideas? debian kernel: skge eth0: disabling interface and debian kernel: skge eth0: enabling interface ... this is the 4th or 5th networking issue I've had with etch. I've lost count |
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| 23:21.55 | blahdeblah | sorry debhelper |
| 23:21.57 | blahdeblah | :-) |
| 23:21.58 | abrotman | !paster |
| 23:21.59 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 23:22.09 | blahdeblah | yeah yeah |
| 23:22.13 | blahdeblah | I know how to paste. |
| 23:22.14 | abrotman | foo: does it give more info ? |
| 23:22.18 | abrotman | blahdeblah: okay :) |
| 23:22.18 | foo | abrotman: no |
| 23:22.26 | omri | is there something like KNewsTicker for gnome? |
| 23:22.33 | abrotman | wtf is knewsticker ? |
| 23:22.44 | abrotman | foo: bad cable ? |
| 23:22.52 | tarzeau | abrotman: a kernel newsticker? |
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| 23:23.12 | blahdeblah | abrotman: Silly that i can paste fewer bytes on more lines and that gets me kicked, but i can put a big long line like this one and that's OK... |
| 23:23.44 | abrotman | i don't code the bot |
| 23:24.14 | blahdeblah | :-) |
| 23:24.38 | dondelelcaro | blahdeblah: it's actually not that silly; putting more content on a single line enables other people to track conversations more easily. Flooding is just bad, period. |
| 23:25.16 | blahdeblah | dondelelcaro: Ah - fair enough |
| 23:25.25 | foo | abrotman: nope |
| 23:25.27 | foo | gah |
| 23:25.35 | blahdeblah | abrotman: unloading that module sorted things out. |
| 23:25.40 | abrotman | really? |
| 23:25.45 | blahdeblah | Is there a way i can stop if from loading again? |
| 23:25.45 | abrotman | the snd_pcm_oss ? |
| 23:25.47 | blahdeblah | Yes |
| 23:25.50 | abrotman | !tell blahdeblah about blacklist |
| 23:25.59 | abrotman | though .. you're likely to want it in the future |
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| 23:26.39 | abrotman | ain't it cool</travolta> |
| 23:27.36 | abrotman | foo: how do you know it's not a bad cable? |
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| 23:28.16 | christian_ | hi |
| 23:28.32 | JunoDewar | so it appears(through searching usenet archive) that music.raw is created by libmikmod but what program uses it? other minor possibity is game pMARS(which I don't have installed) |
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| 23:28.46 | christian_ | i get RPC: failed to contact portmap (errno -5). on my nfs v4 server (without kerberos) |
| 23:28.47 | abrotman | JunoDewar: apt-cache rdepends libmikmod |
| 23:28.50 | Cooner750 | Tried Debian on my old Celeron 533 and it works |
| 23:28.56 | Cooner750 | Debian must not have liked something in that 133 |
| 23:29.08 | karsten | Cooner750: How didn't it work on the 133? |
| 23:29.13 | abrotman | Cooner750: really ..try the flooppies |
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| 23:29.23 | foo | abrotman: hmm. He unplugged the cable, it shows a different error. I'll try that, though |
| 23:29.27 | abrotman | okay |
| 23:29.32 | blahdeblah | Cooner750: 133 as in MHz?? |
| 23:29.38 | christian_ | anybody any ideas? nfs v4 information is very sparse on the net |
| 23:29.41 | abrotman | blahdeblah: Khz? :) |
| 23:29.50 | blahdeblah | abrotman: :-) |
| 23:30.01 | karsten | christian_: is the portmapper running on *both* client and server? |
| 23:30.01 | Cooner750 | blahdeblah: Precisely :P |
| 23:30.06 | karsten | christian_: Any server errors? |
| 23:30.34 | christian_ | yes |
| 23:30.34 | Cooner750 | Dell Dimension XPS P133 |
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| 23:30.48 | blahdeblah | Cooner750: Why waste your time? I've got spare Celeron 1700s sitting on my floor - you can have one if you pay shipping. :-) |
| 23:30.48 | christian_ | the client (feisty) worked with gentoo and nfs v4 previously |
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| 23:30.54 | christian_ | i migrated the server :D |
| 23:31.33 | Cooner750 | i'm only intending to use the machine as an answering machine, so I don't need anything greatly powerful :P |
| 23:31.38 | duns_s | debian is cool |
| 23:31.40 | abrotman | floppies! |
| 23:31.50 | ootput | duns_s: nope |
| 23:32.21 | Tobsn_ | hmm |
| 23:32.25 | duns_s | only the rpc error |
| 23:32.28 | Tobsn_ | any idea why debian lost my php bin's? |
| 23:32.39 | duns_s | ootput: what do you mean? |
| 23:32.45 | abrotman | now .. i realize you can make icons whatever you want .. but why is the icon for VLC an orange and white cone ? |
| 23:33.09 | Tobsn_ | there is still lighttpd running with some forked /usr/bin/php-cgi's but those running files are not on the disk... |
| 23:33.15 | Tobsn_ | any ideas why this happend? |
| 23:33.27 | duns_s | karsten: any other ideas? |
| 23:33.34 | Tobsn_ | nothing shows up in the history that someone (including me) deleted it |
| 23:34.10 | lepine_h | wow, netboot is quite simple and works well ... |
| 23:34.21 | dondelelcaro | Tobsn_: you're going to have to be far more specific as to what you're talking about. Which php executables? What is the ps output? What have you upgraded/removed recently? |
| 23:34.27 | lepine_h | norton ghost net boot perhaps? |
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| 23:35.33 | Cooner750 | I would use my old Apple Performa 6200 if I had the proper keyboard for it |
| 23:35.47 | JunoDewar | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:36.05 | Tobsn_ | dondelelcaro, i just want to run a php bash script ... # php myscript.php - and than "no command blah" came... i searched for locate php | grep bin and no output... but ps aux | grep php shows: |
| 23:36.15 | Tobsn_ | www-data 20710 0.0 0.0 16792 724 ? Ss Apr24 0:00 /usr/bin/php5-cgi |
| 23:36.15 | Tobsn_ | www-data 20711 0.0 0.3 16948 3828 ? S Apr24 0:15 /usr/bin/php5-cgi |
| 23:36.16 | Tobsn_ | etc. |
| 23:36.25 | dondelelcaro | Tobsn_: you want to install php5-cli |
| 23:36.27 | abrotman | it's php5-cli |
| 23:36.37 | dondelelcaro | Tobsn_: you're trying to run /usr/bin/php which does not exist. |
| 23:36.38 | Tobsn_ | funny guys |
| 23:36.47 | abrotman | ? |
| 23:36.48 | duns_s | anybody else some hint? |
| 23:36.51 | Tobsn_ | yeah but it existed 12 hours ago |
| 23:36.59 | abrotman | so reinstall it |
| 23:37.04 | dondelelcaro | Tobsn_: maybe it did, but it's not there now. |
| 23:37.10 | Tobsn_ | -bash: php5-cgi: command not found |
| 23:37.14 | abrotman | dude |
| 23:37.15 | Tobsn_ | usr/bin# php5-cgi |
| 23:37.15 | Tobsn_ | -bash: php5-cgi: command not found |
| 23:37.16 | Tobsn_ | see |
| 23:37.22 | abrotman | it is /usr/bin/php5 |
| 23:37.24 | foo | abrotman: looks like some issue with the marvell card. err. |
| 23:37.31 | Tobsn_ | usr/bin# php5 |
| 23:37.31 | Tobsn_ | -bash: php5: command not found |
| 23:37.35 | abrotman | foo: i'd try to act surprised .. but i'd fail |
| 23:37.42 | Tobsn_ | # l php* |
| 23:37.43 | Tobsn_ | ls: php*: No such file or directory |
| 23:37.45 | abrotman | Tobsn_: dpkg -l php5-cli |
| 23:37.51 | dondelelcaro | Tobsn_: stop pasting crap here already, please. |
| 23:37.59 | duns_s | o.k. maybe you don't like (ex-)gentoo users ... |
| 23:38.13 | foo | abrotman: It's an ASUS board... is that a cheap chipset as well. |
| 23:38.17 | duns_s | i could understand that :-) |
| 23:38.22 | Tobsn_ | abrotman? |
| 23:38.25 | abrotman | Tobsn_: dpkg -l php5-cli |
| 23:38.30 | abrotman | what version is installed |
| 23:38.41 | dondelelcaro | duns_s: try repeating the question |
| 23:38.45 | Tobsn_ | rc php5-cli 5.2.0-8+etch1~bpo.1 |
| 23:38.53 | abrotman | Tobsn_: it's been removed .. install it now |
| 23:39.04 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: his nfsv4 can't connect to portmap |
| 23:39.07 | duns_s | i get RPC: failed to contact portmap (errno -5). on my nfs v4 etch server |
| 23:39.21 | duns_s | portmap is running on both the server and client |
| 23:39.29 | dondelelcaro | duns_s: you need to edit /etc/default/portmap and have it bind to 0.0.0.0, not 127.0..0.1 |
| 23:39.29 | abrotman | firewall ? |
| 23:39.29 | Tobsn_ | yeah thats the prob i want to tell |
| 23:39.49 | Tobsn_ | http://nopaste.info/945e30d1e1.html |
| 23:39.50 | omri | anyone tried putting swap on ramdisk? ;) |
| 23:39.50 | Tobsn_ | see |
| 23:40.05 | dondelelcaro | duns_s: but only on the server; the client can have portmap running on 127.0.0.1 (and indeed, it should) |
| 23:40.10 | abrotman | omri: uhm .. that wouldn't increase your performance |
| 23:40.18 | omri | abrotman, that was a joke :) |
| 23:40.28 | Wyzard | Tobsn_: That conflict is probably the reason why apt removed it in the first place |
| 23:40.34 | Tobsn_ | hmm |
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| 23:40.46 | Tobsn_ | but i installed it once |
| 23:40.47 | duns_s | tcp 0 0 *:sunrpc |
| 23:40.50 | abrotman | so install it again |
| 23:40.52 | duns_s | udp 0 0 *:sunrpc |
| 23:40.52 | Tobsn_ | so why it got removed? |
| 23:40.58 | Tobsn_ | http://nopaste.info/945e30d1e1.html <- abrotman |
| 23:41.09 | duns_s | (netstat output) -> i have not changed the portmap binding to 127.0.0.1 |
| 23:41.32 | dondelelcaro | Tobsn_: the default is to bind to 127.0.0.1 |
| 23:41.42 | dondelelcaro | s/Tobsn_/duns_s/ |
| 23:41.54 | dondelelcaro | Tobsn_: because you're mixing and matching different versions of Debian. Don't do that. |
| 23:41.56 | duns_s | yes but netstat says it is bound to * |
| 23:42.12 | dondelelcaro | Tobsn_: run apt-cache policy php5-cli libc6; and give us the output |
| 23:42.12 | Wyzard | Tobsn_: Something's not right with those dependencies though... that's saying it depends on libc6 version 2.3.6-6, but even the php5-cli in unstable only depends on 2.3.5-1 |
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| 23:42.47 | duns_s | is there something like a debian wiki? like the gentoo wiki? |
| 23:42.50 | abrotman | Tobsn_: run aptitude update .. then try agasin |
| 23:42.52 | abrotman | !wiki |
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| 23:43.06 | dondelelcaro | duns_s: wiki.debian.org |
| 23:43.11 | Immundus | hi |
| 23:43.20 | Wyzard | Tobsn_: oh, nevermind... that's just because I'm on amd64; on i386 it does indeed depend on 2.3.6-6 in unstable |
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| 23:43.27 | Octopus | When creating a new partition to run a OSX86 installtion on (HFS+) I do need to make the partition "primary" instead of logical right (bootable partitions) |
| 23:43.27 | dondelelcaro | duns_s: can you telnet to the server at the sunrpc port? |
| 23:43.44 | Tobsn_ | dondelelcaro, http://nopaste.info/5d64374835.html |
| 23:43.51 | abrotman | Octopus: OSX ? |
| 23:44.01 | Octopus | osx86 yes |
| 23:44.04 | Wyzard | Octopus: Seems reasonable, but wouldn't a Mac channel be a better place to ask about how to install MacOS? |
| 23:44.11 | Octopus | yep |
| 23:44.14 | abrotman | Octopus: you mean .. Debian ? |
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| 23:44.33 | Octopus | i run debian primary os, but yea, nm wrong chan |
| 23:44.57 | duns_s | dondelelcaro: yes |
| 23:45.16 | dondelelcaro | Tobsn_: you need to add a sarge sources.list line and correct your stable security line to point at sarge, or complete an upgrade to etch. |
| 23:45.53 | Immundus | anybody have xen running on debian etch?I seem to have problems with etch guests eventhought the old sarge images work |
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| 23:45.58 | dondelelcaro | Tobsn_: you are right now attempting to mix etch security updates with your existing oldstable (sarge) packages, which is not going to work at all. |
| 23:46.09 | Wyzard | Immundus: I have Xen working with etch as both host and guest |
| 23:46.20 | dondelelcaro | duns_s: ok, and the client has portmap running too, right? |
| 23:46.20 | Tobsn_ | hmm |
| 23:46.27 | foo | I am seeing this in the logs... http://x01.ath.cx/temp/error.txt ... eventually, network card goes out ... any ideas? |
| 23:46.28 | Tobsn_ | whats a proper sarge source line? |
| 23:46.35 | Tobsn_ | so that i can be sure its right |
| 23:46.46 | dondelelcaro | Tobsn_: deb http://FOOMIRROR/debian sarge main contrib non-free |
| 23:46.49 | duns_s | dondelelcaro: yes, rpcinfo -p > portmapper and status |
| 23:47.09 | Immundus | Wyzard somehow through updating my old images the ability to connect to the xen-bridge got lost |
| 23:47.10 | Tobsn_ | k thx |
| 23:47.42 | dondelelcaro | duns_s: and what does rpcinfo -p fooserver; from the client do? |
| 23:47.45 | Wyzard | Immundus: dunno about that, sorry... I haven't used Xen with sarge, and my Etch VMs are clean installs |
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| 23:48.14 | Immundus | Im kind of puzzled because atm they all have the same kernel |
| 23:48.23 | duns_s | dondelelcaro: portmapper, nfs, nlockmgr, mountd, status |
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| 23:48.38 | dondelelcaro | duns_s: ok; that looks good. Can you telnet to the nfs port listed? |
| 23:48.39 | rbanffy | Hi folks. I am looking for some advice. A client of mine, a publicist, sends lots of press-releases every day to their contacts and needs a SMTP server. The server lives outside their network, so they need to authenticate. Courier was too slow, exim4 is fast enough, but I couldn't configure it to authenticate over /etc/passwd and Postfix also seems difficult to configure. Is there a simple solution for this? |
| 23:48.46 | Immundus | and dmesg xend.log dmesg -c nothing shows erros |
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| 23:49.18 | dondelelcaro | rbanffy: any of those can be configured to do authentication either using dovecot or courier |
| 23:49.19 | duns_s | dondelelcaro: yes |
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| 23:49.59 | Immundus | wyzard are you using the xen scripts for network setup or do you have a own solution? |
| 23:50.05 | dondelelcaro | duns_s: ok; then it sure looks like everything should be working. Is your /etc/exports correct? Have you reloaded the nfs kernel server since updating it? |
| 23:50.17 | Wyzard | Immundus: I'm using the standard bridge scripts |
| 23:50.41 | Immundus | the more I look into it the stranger it gets... |
| 23:50.50 | duns_s | yes |
| 23:50.50 | dondelelcaro | rbanffy: there are rather copious howtos on how to enable smtp auth using dovecot+postfix in etch; there are similar ones available for exim |
| 23:50.54 | duns_s | i can mount |
| 23:50.56 | rbanffy | dondelelcaro: Doesnt dovecot need an SMTP server to function? |
| 23:51.03 | duns_s | but it hangs on loading the files |
| 23:51.09 | duns_s | it is incredibly slow |
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| 23:51.20 | dondelelcaro | rbanffy: dovecot is just used for authentication |
| 23:51.27 | duns_s | gnome starts, kde half-starts, but hangs afterwards |
| 23:51.40 | dondelelcaro | duns_s: so it's actually transfering files, but is slow? |
| 23:52.00 | Wyzard | Immundus: Is the problem with the veth* devices communicating with the domU, or with adding the vif* devices to the bridge in dom0? |
| 23:52.14 | duns_s | dondelelcaro: well it works a bit, but it is not too slow, it stops working at a certain point |
| 23:52.21 | duns_s | e.g. i'm mount the share |
| 23:52.25 | Immundus | the communication the vif devices are created correctly |
| 23:52.26 | duns_s | and ls takes forever |
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| 23:52.40 | dondelelcaro | duns_s: what's between the client and the server? |
| 23:53.10 | Wyzard | Immundus: But they just don't get added to xenbr0? |
| 23:53.16 | duns_s | dondelelcaro: it worked with same hardware today, i only debchrooted the gentoo server to etch |
| 23:53.19 | Immundus | yes they do get added |
| 23:53.20 | duns_s | it worked before |
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| 23:53.37 | Immundus | brctl show shows them all in the xenbr0 |
| 23:53.38 | duns_s | until this morning |
| 23:53.44 | dondelelcaro | duns_s: it may have worked before, but nfs is notoriously finiky |
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| 23:53.46 | Wyzard | Immundus: Then where's the problem? |
| 23:54.01 | duns_s | dondelelcaro: yes that's right :-D |
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| 23:54.05 | Immundus | the guests just cant find a device |
| 23:54.11 | dondelelcaro | duns_s: what mount options and which kernel are you using? what's between the machines? |
| 23:54.16 | duns_s | there is a switch and lan inbetween |
| 23:54.29 | Immundus | if I tell them to ifup eth0 they cant get the scioflags |
| 23:54.48 | Wyzard | Immundus: The guests have an eth0 device but they can't use it to communicate? |
| 23:54.59 | Cooner750 | Oh dear I need help again |
| 23:55.05 | Cooner750 | My Debian install is failing at the Installing GRUB stepo |
| 23:55.07 | Cooner750 | step* |
| 23:55.08 | duns_s | i'm running feisty with 2.6.20-15 and etch with 2.6.18-486 |
| 23:55.12 | Immundus | no they dont even have the eth0 device |
| 23:55.19 | duns_s | feisty on the client side and etch on the server |
| 23:55.30 | Immundus | it seems as if the guests are totally ignoring the bridge |
| 23:55.34 | Wyzard | Immundus: If they don't have eth0 at all, I'd check the "vif=" line in the guests' config files |
| 23:56.08 | Immundus | well the vif is created correctly |
| 23:56.10 | Wyzard | Immundus: That's not related to the bridge... the guests just have point-to-point Ethernet links to the host |
| 23:56.23 | duns_s | mount options are: rw,port=2049,proto=udp,intr,hard,noatime |
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| 23:56.36 | duns_s | export is rw,fsid=0,insecure,no_subtree_check,async,nohide,no_root_squash |
| 23:56.36 | dondelelcaro | duns_s: you shouldn't have to specify the port |
| 23:56.37 | Wyzard | Immundus: The host adds its end of those links to a bridge, but that's invisible and irrelevant to the guest |
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| 23:57.08 | Wyzard | Immundus: I don't mean the vif* interfaces in the host, I mean the "vif=" line in your guest's config file, that actually gives it a network interface when it boots |
| 23:57.13 | duns_s | o.k. |
| 23:57.51 | Immundus | well I tried that with vif=[''] with bridge and with mac values even a static ip nothing worked |
| 23:58.05 | dondelelcaro | duns_s: try adding rsize=8192,wsize=8192; and try using proto=tcp; although, that may not help |
| 23:58.12 | Immundus | the old sarge image has no problem with a vif=[''] |
| 23:58.31 | Cooner750 | LILO worked |
| 23:58.36 | duns_s | i've already tried tcp |
| 23:58.36 | Cooner750 | GRUB did not |
| 23:58.37 | dondelelcaro | duns_s: you may also try using a machine running Debian to connect to the debian kernel, just in case there's some wierd issue with 2.6.20 connecting to 2.6.18's nfs version |
| 23:58.53 | Wyzard | Immundus: I use vif=['bridge=xenbr0, mac=xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx'] |
| 23:59.02 | Wyzard | Immundus: though I think both of those parameters are optional |
| 23:59.04 | duns_s | dondelelcaro: i had gentoo with 2.6.18 before |
| 23:59.06 | Immundus | doesnt help tried that like I said |
| 23:59.15 | Immundus | yes they are optional |
| 23:59.17 | duns_s | and i've tried tcp already |
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| 23:59.43 | Immundus | what bugs me is that the images were working and then a apt-get update broke the image |
| 23:59.45 | duns_s | is there any chance, getting more output of nfs, portmap and idmap ? |
