| 00:00.05 | Wyzard | Immundus: In that case I don't know... but it doesn't sound like a bridge problem, it sounds like a problem with the virtual point-to-point interfaces connecting host and guest |
| 00:00.11 | dondelelcaro | duns_s: dmesg has most of it; you can probably get more output with a kernel debugging option, but I don't remember what it is |
| 00:00.22 | dondelelcaro | duns_s: you can probably also figure out what's going on by looking at a tcpdump between the machines |
| 00:00.32 | Immundus | yes but I didnt touch the kernel strange enough |
| 00:00.56 | Immundus | it must be a core-util or a linux-util that messed everything up... |
| 00:01.05 | Tobsn_ | dondelelcaro, okay worked :) - thanks! |
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| 00:01.29 | Tobsn | ;) |
| 00:01.32 | Wyzard | Immundus: Check dmesg in the guest, and "xm dmesg" in the host -- maybe the kernel or the hypervisor printed some messages saying why it couldn't set up the virtual interface in the guest |
| 00:02.07 | Immundus | no it doesnt print anything it looks just like the logs for the working images |
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| 00:02.45 | ohadz | how do i remove this forcefully from my apt -- E: The package mfc665cwcupswrapper needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. |
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| 00:02.55 | duns_s | now i've got a RPC: bad TCP reclen 0x7ff4fffd (large) |
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| 00:02.57 | duns_s | ??? |
| 00:03.56 | ohadz | i tried purging. . |
| 00:04.08 | Immundus | but thanks for the info maybe Ill do a clean install tomorrow |
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| 00:05.06 | duns_s | dondelelcaro: any ideas? |
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| 00:05.43 | lfs | After struggling with dual booting for a while, I think I need to switch the cables around and put Vista on Sata1, will that mess up debian? |
| 00:05.52 | Cyb0org | hi. bugs.debian.org have problems? |
| 00:05.53 | dondelelcaro | duns_s: that's sounding like either the client or the server has something wrong; possibly with rpc. Could also be the network. |
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| 00:06.07 | dondelelcaro | Cyb0org: no, it's working fine |
| 00:06.25 | Ankman | lfs: not mess it up, might just not boot |
| 00:06.38 | Ankman | but can be fixed with the boot manager |
| 00:06.53 | Cyb0org | dondelelcaro : hmmm... must be me I suppose... thx |
| 00:06.54 | lfs | I dont think Vista will work from Sata2 |
| 00:07.04 | lfs | with Debian |
| 00:07.15 | dondelelcaro | duns_s: yeah, I don't have any really bright ideas; I know nfs works fine with etch's kernel; using it on multiple machines here |
| 00:07.52 | Wyzard | lfs: You could also just configure your BIOS to boot from the second hard drive instead of the first |
| 00:07.57 | Ankman | lfs: with the boot manager it can |
| 00:08.04 | dondelelcaro | duns_s: you could try asking on debian-user@lists.debian.org with as much information as you could put together; someone there may have an idea |
| 00:08.08 | Ankman | drives can be remapped |
| 00:08.12 | lfs | I want to boot from grub |
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| 00:08.38 | Wyzard | lfs: As I understand it, Vista's bootmgr *must* run first, or Vista fails to boot, or something like that -- several people here have run into that |
| 00:08.52 | lfs | So no grub? |
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| 00:09.01 | Wyzard | lfs: so you'd configure bootmgr on the Vista drive to have an option to chain-load GRUB from the Debian drive |
| 00:09.14 | duns_s | dondelelcaro: thx |
| 00:09.17 | lfs | Linux Magazine says you can boot from Grub |
| 00:09.25 | Wyzard | (How to configure it that way, I have no idea) |
| 00:09.26 | Wyzard | ok |
| 00:09.37 | duns_s | wireshark gives me V4 NULL Call's |
| 00:09.42 | lfs | But they had Vista on SATA1 |
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| 00:10.23 | DavidProck1981 | any one know a good web site to train u to be good at linux in general and/or debian etch |
| 00:10.30 | duns_s | and it says something about 0x5f69 incorrect, should be 0x6cb5 |
| 00:10.44 | duns_s | "maybe caused by checksum offloading?" |
| 00:10.49 | DavidProck1981 | aka to become a linux master |
| 00:11.03 | Wyzard | lfs: Windows likes to be on whatever drive the BIOS is configured to boot from, I believe |
| 00:11.06 | lfs | Running LInux |
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| 00:11.46 | Wyzard | lfs: but you can work around that with GRUB -- when you chain-load from GRUB on the Debian drive to bootmgr on the Vista drive, you can remap the BIOS drive numbers so bootmgr thinks it's running from the boot drive |
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| 00:11.55 | duns_s | and some more compound call packages with checksum errors... |
| 00:12.05 | dondelelcaro | duns_s: that's kind of suspicious |
| 00:12.12 | lfs | I did the remap thing, it didnt work |
| 00:12.20 | Wyzard | lfs: map (hd0) (hd1) |
| 00:12.23 | Wyzard | lfs: map (hd1) (hd0) |
| 00:12.27 | dondelelcaro | duns_s: can you try just plugging a crossover between the machines for fun? |
| 00:12.28 | Wyzard | lfs: Those two lines? |
| 00:12.29 | lfs | did that |
| 00:12.36 | Wyzard | ok |
| 00:12.57 | Wyzard | That works for XP... if not Vista, then I dunno |
| 00:12.57 | plb | does anyone know why the linux-image-2.6.20-1-xen-686 package has -pae enabled? |
| 00:13.17 | Wyzard | bootmgr seems to be a lot less versatile in what it boots from than XP's loader was |
| 00:13.20 | duns_s | dondelelcaro: well i don't have a crossover here, but i can try it. maybe i can tell you in 10 mins |
| 00:13.25 | duns_s | thanks so far |
| 00:13.35 | Wyzard | plb: because Xen is often used on big servers which have lots of RAM |
| 00:13.41 | lfs | So if I switch the cables it will only mess up grub? |
| 00:13.59 | Ankman | yes |
| 00:14.02 | Wyzard | plb: and PAE is necessary for NX support anyway |
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| 00:14.54 | Wyzard | plb: Enabling PAE was one of the changes made between Debian's 2.6.18-3 and 2.6.18-4, shortly before etch was released |
| 00:14.57 | plb | wyzard: so then why is a hypervisor offered without -pae |
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| 00:15.18 | Wyzard | plb: There isn't, afaik... the current Xen hypervisor package is PAE too |
| 00:15.51 | plb | there are both pae and not pae hypervisors being offered |
| 00:15.51 | lontra | DavidProck1981, there are tons of good online books for debian and linux in general ... just google it |
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| 00:15.55 | dondelelcaro | FWIR, they're going to pae only |
| 00:16.10 | Wyzard | plb: well, I guess the non-PAE one is deprecated, them |
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| 00:16.23 | Wyzard | plb: but xen-hypervisor-3.0.3-1-i386-pae works fine |
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| 00:16.47 | DavidProck1981 | lontra, what would be the best search quote |
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| 00:17.05 | plb | I'm trying to track down a problem I am having under xen and not with a normal kernel, where the system is randomly rebooting |
| 00:17.24 | asarch | !xen |
| 00:17.24 | dpkg | well, xen is an open source virtual machine monitor, developed by the University of Cambridge. It is intended to run up to 100 full featured OSs on a single computer. Operating systems must be explicitly modified ("ported") to run on Xen (although compatibility is maintained for user applications). This enables Xen to achieve high performance virtualization without special hardware support. try #debian-xen on oftc.net |
| 00:17.42 | lontra | DavidProck1981, http://www.debian.org/doc/books |
| 00:17.48 | Wyzard | DavidProck1981: Best way to learn about Debian is experience... I've been running unstable as my main desktop for about six years, updating daily, and I've learned a lot in the process |
| 00:17.52 | DavidProck1981 | thanks |
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| 00:17.59 | lontra | DavidProck1981, http://www.togaware.com/linux/survivor/ |
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| 00:19.27 | abrotman | Wyzard: not a good suggestion |
| 00:19.59 | Wyzard | abrotman: why not? |
| 00:20.03 | lontra | if he wants to learn about debian and he knows the risks what's wrong with recommending running sid to learn about debian? |
| 00:20.19 | abrotman | it's not a good suggestion .. |
| 00:20.57 | abrotman | if you can't use google .. do you think unstable is a good ide a? |
| 00:21.03 | plb | abrotman: from the don't want him to have problems at first standpoint or the system syability standpoint |
| 00:21.13 | plb | er..stability |
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| 00:21.15 | lontra | abrotman, i agree with that point |
| 00:21.21 | ohadz | how do i force the removal of this error without having to reinstall the pkg -- E: The package mfc665cwcupswrapper needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.? |
| 00:21.37 | DavidProck1981 | abrotman: actually if im ready to pull out my hair, LOL, i would say it is a grate suggestion |
| 00:21.42 | Wyzard | abrotman: running unstable sometimes involves "learning by necessity" to fix stuff that broke with the latest upgrade, but it's an effective way to learn |
| 00:21.55 | abrotman | DavidProck1981: no .. you come in here .. bitch,whine, throw a fit .. |
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| 00:22.22 | DavidProck1981 | i can learn better hands on and if i experince ot |
| 00:22.28 | duns_s | dondelelcaro: i don't have a crossover cable :( |
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| 00:22.30 | lontra | Wyzard, but abrotman's point was that DavidProck1981 came in here and asked about good debian books ... i googled debian and book and came up with tons of hits |
| 00:22.41 | lontra | Wyzard, he should be able to do that |
| 00:23.27 | dondelelcaro | duns_s: are these gigabit or 100Mbit links? |
| 00:23.36 | duns_s | 100Mbit |
| 00:23.43 | dondelelcaro | hrm... how new are they? |
| 00:23.51 | duns_s | well the cable is selfmade ;-) |
| 00:23.56 | dondelelcaro | oh |
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| 00:24.15 | duns_s | but it is confusing me, that it worked flawlessly before |
| 00:24.27 | duns_s | i mean this morning with gentoo |
| 00:24.29 | dondelelcaro | were you actually trying to run programs using nfs? |
| 00:24.29 | Wyzard | lontra: He asked about *good* Debian books... the problem with "tons of hits" is that you don't know how good any of them are |
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| 00:24.44 | abrotman | Wyzard: a little research wouldn't kill him |
| 00:24.55 | duns_s | no only a big home folder (raid and luks on the server) |
| 00:25.05 | duns_s | well /home |
| 00:25.05 | jetscreamer | hey what do i specify for -t when mounting a .gho image? (ghost) |
| 00:25.13 | lontra | Wyzard, google debian book and tell me the first google hit ... it's to the debian website ... best place to look first |
| 00:25.27 | Wyzard | abrotman: and asking other experienced Debian users what books they recommend is a type of research :-) |
| 00:25.33 | petemc | jetscreamer: what does file foo.gho say? |
| 00:25.41 | jetscreamer | petemc: says data |
| 00:25.48 | abrotman | Wyzard: okay .. you can be his personal support |
| 00:25.55 | DavidProck1981 | lontra, Wyzard, was just wanting to see if any one has read several books like that , and could point out the best one, All thow i did not say that, that is what i was thinking |
| 00:25.56 | dondelelcaro | the main book I'd recommend is _The Debian System_, but it's becomming more out of date |
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| 00:26.27 | abrotman | isn't martin's book pretty good ? |
| 00:26.27 | plb | abrotman: this is not a support question, this is a friendly what is people's opinion |
| 00:26.27 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: that's his book |
| 00:26.30 | abrotman | oh .. |
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| 00:26.40 | abrotman | plb: read the backlog |
| 00:26.48 | Wyzard | I've thought about buying that one too, but my concern is out-of-dateness |
| 00:27.20 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: well, it's not specific to a single version of Debian so much as to the way things are put together and how Debian works |
| 00:27.21 | duns_s | well do these checksum errors mean that there is data corruption on the wire? |
| 00:27.28 | dondelelcaro | duns_s: most likley |
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| 00:27.47 | dondelelcaro | duns_s: the alternative is that the network cards, or the kernel drivers themselves are buggy |
| 00:28.12 | plb | abrotman: my log doesn't go back that far :-P |
| 00:28.37 | linlin | how do i tell what my default nameserver is? |
| 00:28.50 | dondelelcaro | linlin: it's listed first in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 00:29.17 | linlin | thankyou |
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| 00:30.21 | dondelelcaro | well, they do if the network is busted |
| 00:30.44 | duns_s | well, who needs sleep anyhow... |
| 00:31.18 | dondelelcaro | and unfortunatly, nfs is rather sensitive to broken networks |
| 00:31.19 | plb | dondelelcaro: they are a pain in the a** when you have to lock over them |
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| 00:31.56 | duns_s | well with self-made i mean cutting the cable and adding the plugs |
| 00:32.35 | Guerin | ok, what's a good cd/dvd burning app |
| 00:32.43 | plb | /me's bosses think that postfix on one machine, ucbmail on a second machine both simultaneously playing with mbox files on a third machine sharing them via nfs is a good setup despite my best effors |
| 00:32.45 | Guerin | something curses would be nice |
| 00:32.49 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: wodim? |
| 00:33.01 | Guerin | anything that doesn't require all of gnome or kde |
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| 00:33.09 | Guerin | tip-top, shall see |
| 00:33.29 | Decepticon | i inserted a usb hdd into my debian etch machine and it shows on up the desktop.. but i cant seem to write to anything on it |
| 00:33.31 | Guerin | plb: one word: locking |
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| 00:33.45 | plb | Guerin: yeah it's just ucbmail doesn't respect the locks |
| 00:33.50 | ringerc | Hi folks. I'm running into an interesting issue with etch about which I thought I'd check in here. Every ~3 seconds, I'm seeing a pause in keyboard/mouse event processing, possibly more. Running 2.6.20-1-686 (from testing) but the issue also happens with 2.6.18 . New intel board. |
| 00:33.59 | ohadz | how do i force the removal of this error without having to reinstall the pkg -- E: The package mfc665cwcupswrapper needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.? |
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| 00:34.05 | dondelelcaro | plb: that's why you switch to maildir |
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| 00:34.25 | ringerc | I was hoping to find out (a) if anyone else has seen this, and (b) any suggestions for tracking down its cause. |
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| 00:34.32 | Guerin | plb: the locks should be enforced by NFS |
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| 00:34.51 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: you have to use the right locking mechanism |
| 00:34.59 | Guerin | mm, ok |
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| 00:35.19 | Decepticon | i inserted a usb hdd into my debian etch machine and it shows on up the desktop.. but i cant seem to write to anything on it. why is this and how do i fix it |
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| 00:35.28 | plb | dondelelcaro: I'd love to.. but ucbmail doesn't support maildir and one of my bosses doesn't want to use rgrep instead of grep to search his email |
| 00:35.50 | dondelelcaro | (fcntl instead of flock) |
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| 00:36.14 | Guerin | 552 packages upgraded, 84 newly installed, 24 to remove and 8 not upgraded. |
| 00:36.15 | Guerin | Need to get 633MB of archives. After unpacking 208MB will be used. |
| 00:36.24 | Guerin | whee, first dist-upgrade since etch released |
| 00:36.28 | Guerin | the pain begins now. |
| 00:36.45 | jetscreamer | is it etch you're dist upgrading though |
| 00:36.46 | plb | Guerin: the problem is various softwares being used ignore certain locks so no solution is a total solution |
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| 00:39.10 | Guerin | jetscreamer: no, sid |
| 00:39.12 | abrotman | !tell Decepticon about vfatrw |
| 00:39.14 | plb | anyway... my solution was to finally convince one boss to stop using ucbmail and to change the default pine configuration to access mail via imap and not direct access |
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| 00:39.15 | dondelelcaro | ugh pine |
| 00:39.15 | plb | dondelelcaro: I know |
| 00:39.40 | Ankman | it's pronounced pain |
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| 00:39.59 | plb | now if only I can switch the file server and the interactive use server to debian |
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| 00:43.34 | jetscreamer | who the hell would want to backup a swap partition? File systems supported for backup and recovery tasks: Linux® EXT2/3 and Linux Swap Partitions |
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| 00:45.09 | Guerin | jetscreamer: if you're paranoid, encrypting ram and swap is very valid |
| 00:45.23 | Decepticon | abrotman this is a ntfs volume afaik |
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| 00:45.32 | Immu | night all |
| 00:45.33 | Guerin | jetscreamer: all manner of interesting stuff could reside on such a partition, and if not encrypted it's potentially recoverable |
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| 00:45.51 | dondelelcaro | anything that you'd care about shouldn't be in a position to be written to swap |
| 00:46.36 | duns_s | dondelelcaro: i've changed the cable with a new one, but it still does not work |
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| 00:46.50 | duns_s | how should nfs work, let's say over *pause* the internet? |
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| 00:47.15 | ozatomic | i seem to have gotten myself ina loop with apt and isntalled new kernal http://pastebin.ca/499361 |
| 00:47.16 | duns_s | i've already used it over openvpn (nfs v2 udp) |
| 00:47.16 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: it shouldn't. God forbid that anyone try to make it. |
| 00:47.17 | dondelelcaro | duns_s: you really don't want to do that. It can work, but it won't be pretty |
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| 00:47.47 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: if you're stupid enough to attempt such a thing, for the love of god make sure it's all done through an encrypted tunnel |
| 00:48.00 | Guerin | meh |
| 00:48.04 | Guerin | i suck |
| 00:48.37 | duns_s | Guerin: well but you may use it with openvpn |
| 00:48.45 | abrotman | Guerin: it's a dumptruck! |
| 00:48.46 | stoned | linux rated r |
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| 00:50.59 | Guerin | duns_s: openvpn would qualify as an encrypted tunnel |
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| 00:54.00 | duns_s | mmh |
| 00:54.30 | duns_s | i still get the checksum errors, but they don't seem to be unusual in wireshark |
| 00:54.56 | ringerc | So, no ideas about those stalls under Etch? I've just written a little test program that watches gettimeofday() and it turns out that I'm seeing almost exactly 0.2s execution stalls. So it's not just a GUI or I/O issue. |
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| 00:55.08 | Decepticon | what packages do i need so that debian can write to ntfs volume? |
| 00:55.24 | lontra | nfts-3g? |
| 00:55.31 | lontra | ntfs-3g i mean |
| 00:55.36 | jetscreamer | ntfsprogs and ntfs-3g and fuse |
| 00:55.56 | jetscreamer | !ntfs-3g |
| 00:55.56 | dpkg | hmm... ntfs-3g is a new driver for NTFS with write support, see http://packages.debian.org/ntfs-3g for release status. Read the FAQ at http://www.ntfs-3g.org/support.html, also ask me about <ntfs> |
| 00:56.00 | bubux | i'm trying to install php-gtk1 on debian but i don't have gnome-config in my system.. how can i get it? |
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| 00:56.22 | duns_s | get http://ethereal.com/faq.html#q11.1 |
| 00:56.25 | vishwana | how can i add a set of number from bash? |
| 00:56.33 | duns_s | it doesn't seem to be this network problem |
| 00:56.33 | jetscreamer | calc isn't it |
| 00:56.39 | abrotman | vishwana: #bash |
| 00:56.49 | vishwana | abrotman: thanks |
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| 00:57.39 | jetscreamer | nm that's emacs |
| 00:58.37 | bubux | how can i get gnome-config on my debian-etch running gnome 2? |
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| 00:59.11 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search gnome |grep config ? |
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| 00:59.16 | foo | When I upgrade from sarge to etch, after I update && upgrade.. then I install the kernel ... and it installs lilo. Can someone explain why aptitude does this? |
| 00:59.31 | jetscreamer | you sure you don't mean gconf? |
| 00:59.33 | bubux | solve.. gnome-config is libgnome-dev acording to dpkg |
| 00:59.38 | bubux | solved* |
| 00:59.51 | Guerin | foo: because you have some lilo configs, most likely |
| 01:00.02 | Guerin | foo: you probably want grub |
| 01:00.05 | jetscreamer | apt-get dist-upgrade maybe |
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| 01:00.48 | duns_s | dondelelcaro: nfs v2 works |
| 01:01.00 | duns_s | well it seems to work |
| 01:01.07 | jetscreamer | isn't there a v3? |
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| 01:01.35 | Guerin | there's a v4 too |
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| 01:01.48 | duns_s | jetscreamer: well i've used nfs v4 |
| 01:02.11 | jetscreamer | locking is controlled in the conf isn't it? (i now nothing just typing) |
| 01:02.13 | duns_s | as far as i know nfs v3 is some extension to version 2 |
| 01:02.38 | duns_s | nfs v4 is redesigned |
| 01:02.51 | jetscreamer | !afs |
| 01:02.51 | dpkg | well, afs is a distributed file system with a common name space. the Andrew filesystem, or <afs> i heard maintaining AFS is a pain in the ass, or http://www.openafs.org/ |
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| 01:04.39 | duns_s | o.k. bye |
| 01:04.56 | jetscreamer | i set nfs up once, made it work, said 'been there done that' and that was a while ago |
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| 01:04.57 | foo | Guerin: I do want grub, no lilo configs that I put there. *shrug* |
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| 01:05.24 | jetscreamer | foo: lilo might have been uninstalled but not purged maybe (just guessing) |
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| 01:05.40 | jetscreamer | just install grub when it's done |
| 01:05.49 | jetscreamer | but you probably already did |
| 01:06.00 | Guerin | foo: strange. Grub is the default, has been since woody, I think. |
| 01:06.10 | jetscreamer | i heard the security for nfs was a nightmare or pita.. no idea |
| 01:06.16 | foo | I am trying to install a kernel... but it wants to remove my current kernel ... how can I have it not want to remove my current kernel and just get on with the install? |
| 01:06.26 | jetscreamer | put it on hold |
| 01:06.29 | foo | jetscreamer: I've seen the same thing during 4+ upgrades... very weird |
| 01:06.54 | jetscreamer | foo: next time use a nightly and install lenny straight? |
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| 01:07.04 | jetscreamer | oh nm sowwy |
| 01:07.08 | jetscreamer | sarge->etch eh |
| 01:07.15 | foo | jetscreamer: Production server... |
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| 01:09.07 | foo | Any idea how to tell aptitude how to not remove my current kernel? I forget |
| 01:09.07 | foo | hmm |
| 01:09.32 | jetscreamer | hold is the word/term, but how in aptitude i dunno |
| 01:09.38 | foo | ah |
| 01:09.42 | foo | What is it with apt-get, then? |
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| 01:09.56 | jetscreamer | heh... dselect is my drug of choice |
| 01:10.00 | jetscreamer | it's H |
| 01:10.45 | tuv | aptitude hold <package-name> ? |
| 01:11.04 | tuv | great |
| 01:11.05 | jetscreamer | looks like tuv has it |
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| 01:11.13 | jetscreamer | according to the manpage |
| 01:11.14 | foo | jetscreamer: hm, actually, apt-get -f install seems to have done the trick |
| 01:11.23 | foo | doh, yeah, let me check that |
| 01:11.39 | jetscreamer | foo: then the fix-unmet factoid would really rock for you :p |
| 01:11.50 | jetscreamer | (no don't go there) |
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| 01:13.00 | stoned | jetscreamer: hi |
| 01:13.20 | jetscreamer | it has been proven to fix deps when apt-get -f or aptitude can't ... Guerin was even a witness once, but now denies it. |
| 01:13.29 | jetscreamer | hey nyle... :p |
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| 01:14.06 | jetscreamer | usually apt-get or aptitude just work though |
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| 01:14.47 | jetscreamer | foo: did you aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade or what, btw |
| 01:14.58 | foo | jetscreamer: haven't done the dist-upgrade, yet |
| 01:15.03 | jetscreamer | and there is some sarge->etch fatoic/webpage somewhere |
| 01:15.05 | foo | jetscreamer: but yeah, following the debian howto. |
| 01:15.08 | jetscreamer | factoid |
| 01:15.15 | foo | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 01:15.22 | jetscreamer | ok /me stfu's |
| 01:15.33 | jetscreamer | stoned: wazzup! |
| 01:15.41 | stoned | not much buddy |
| 01:15.47 | stoned | just got home from work |
| 01:15.51 | stoned | working on SMC packages now |
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| 01:16.02 | jetscreamer | stoned: it's the dry season here :/ choices are limited |
| 01:16.13 | stoned | I'm going on 3 months man |
| 01:16.17 | stoned | I'm proud of myself |
| 01:16.18 | jetscreamer | good |
| 01:16.23 | jetscreamer | been there too btw |
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| 01:16.45 | jetscreamer | i wound up getting a dwi after 2 years of being straight iirc |
| 01:16.46 | stoned | upstream devs still havn't found OSS sounds to use for the game |
| 01:17.01 | stoned | and until they do, I'll either have to take the sound files out, or not package it entirely |
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| 01:17.04 | jetscreamer | that was 10 years ago though |
| 01:17.08 | jetscreamer | or more |
| 01:17.10 | stoned | copyrighted files man.. its balogna |
| 01:17.10 | jetscreamer | 20? |
| 01:17.13 | stoned | damn |
| 01:17.15 | jetscreamer | bologna |
| 01:17.16 | mrec_ | hi, does anyone know about usb suspend? is it possible to suspend individual usb ports? |
| 01:17.32 | jetscreamer | don't you listen to oscar meyer commercials? |
| 01:17.50 | stoned | hah |
| 01:17.51 | jetscreamer | mrec_: i know nothing but iirc you can turn them off/on |
| 01:17.57 | stoned | fuck oscar meyer and his processed meat |
| 01:18.20 | jetscreamer | controlling the voltage is another kettle though i think |
| 01:18.23 | pipeline | stoned: Rather, cut to the chase, and fuck him WITH his processed meat? |
| 01:18.27 | jetscreamer | ooo |
| 01:18.35 | jetscreamer | with a big unsliced bologna |
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| 01:18.56 | jetscreamer | EdwardElric: nice connect there dude |
| 01:19.03 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 01:19.06 | Bushmills | g'day |
| 01:19.15 | jetscreamer | hey it's sunday wtf it's dead |
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| 01:19.18 | stoned | word |
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| 01:20.27 | jetscreamer | ah summer/endofschool maybe |
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| 01:20.38 | mrec_ | jetscreamer: hmm I'll try to set up a kernel with support for it and test it |
| 01:20.55 | mrec_ | I wouldn't like to power down all usb ports, but the usb tv tuner would be interesting since it draws alot power |
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| 01:22.05 | ktos_pl | hey |
| 01:22.09 | stoned | hey |
| 01:22.40 | ktos_pl | i need to put a few packages into machine without internet connection (wireless tools, ndis, etc.) |
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| 01:22.57 | ktos_pl | can i get them manually? |
| 01:23.01 | ktos_pl | without apt? |
| 01:23.26 | stoned | sure |
| 01:23.39 | ktos_pl | stoned : some hints? |
| 01:23.43 | stoned | but how will you get them if you can't download them? |
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| 01:23.54 | ktos_pl | hah:) |
| 01:23.58 | jetscreamer | !pdo |
| 01:23.58 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 01:23.59 | stoned | you could get on another computer with internet and then download them |
| 01:24.11 | jetscreamer | and download them too |
| 01:24.14 | stoned | burn em on cd and then use em here |
| 01:24.16 | jetscreamer | see also apt-get -d |
| 01:24.21 | ktos_pl | thanks |
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| 01:24.27 | stoned | jetscreamer: he doesn't have any internet connection |
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| 01:24.59 | stoned | or maybe he is asking how to install packages witout using apt? |
| 01:25.06 | stoned | ktos_pl: dpkg -i pkg.deb |
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| 01:25.26 | stoned | etc... that will install the packages manually, but you must be able to satisfy their dependencies |
| 01:25.29 | stoned | i dunno wtf he is askin |
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| 01:26.21 | ktos_pl | stoned : i know dpkg |
| 01:26.48 | ktos_pl | the problem was: where can i access packages via http/ftp, without apt |
| 01:26.58 | stoned | oh, read what dpkg said to you |
| 01:27.00 | ktos_pl | i am getting them now, thanks |
| 01:27.18 | stoned | ok good |
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| 01:29.45 | jetscreamer | stoned: he's using one :) |
| 01:29.52 | stoned | using what? |
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| 01:30.09 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:30.12 | stoned | oh |
| 01:30.14 | stoned | oh yeah |
| 01:30.43 | jetscreamer | i want to want to quit smoking cigarettes |
| 01:31.01 | jetscreamer | but i don't want to |
| 01:31.06 | jetscreamer | how to want to |
| 01:31.09 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 01:31.37 | jetscreamer | w a n t is a funny looking word |
| 01:31.37 | stoned | huh? |
| 01:31.40 | stoned | tobacco bad |
| 01:31.43 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 01:31.48 | jetscreamer | but i'm addicted to it |
| 01:31.49 | stoned | say this after me |
| 01:31.53 | stoned | I want to quit cigs |
| 01:31.57 | stoned | CUZ I 1 2 |
| 01:32.00 | stoned | get it? |
| 01:32.02 | jetscreamer | you want to quit cigs |
| 01:32.08 | stoned | cuz i 1 2? cuz i want to? |
| 01:32.10 | stoned | nm |
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| 01:32.23 | kramed_ | just think of how you are spreading cancerous toxins to all those around you and in your home |
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| 01:32.40 | jetscreamer | heh... kramed_ you should hear them bitch :/ |
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| 01:33.00 | kramed_ | rightly so |
| 01:33.31 | kramed_ | if anyone tried to smoke in my house I would cut their balls off |
| 01:33.43 | jetscreamer | yeah... so should i feel bad since i pay the bills though... yes i should, but... i don't |
| 01:33.45 | stoned | fuck second hand smoking bullshit. its bullshit propaganda. if so many people are dying from second hand smoke, and nicotine is the most addictive substance on the planet, then if theyre dying from it, they must have been addicted to second hand smoke for years....? right? do you know of anyone who is in a stressful situation or gets laid and has to run out to a bar or a fucking bingo hall and breaths deeps? |
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| 01:33.52 | stoned | deeply* |
| 01:33.55 | jetscreamer | stoned: it does stink |
| 01:33.58 | stoned | no you don't, cuz you're getting fucked in the propaganda mill |
| 01:33.58 | jetscreamer | and badly |
| 01:34.09 | abrotman | start going outside ? |
| 01:34.16 | jetscreamer | i know it stinks. sometimes i can tell |
| 01:34.42 | jetscreamer | i quit going outside.. i came up with the idea when we moved in.. it got really old |
| 01:35.04 | jetscreamer | i mean when we moved in here i came up with the idea to only smoke outside |
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| 01:35.20 | jetscreamer | i hate it when ppl smoke when i eat |
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| 01:35.27 | jetscreamer | gnarly |
| 01:35.55 | kramed_ | so find a good program and do it. you wouldnt be talking about it if you didnt know it was the right thing |
| 01:36.29 | jetscreamer | i know i should, i also know i 'need' to... it's just that i don't want to :/ .. i like the idea though, of quitting |
| 01:36.37 | stoned | just quit |
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| 01:37.02 | stoned | only those people quit cigs who have the desire to do so |
| 01:37.10 | jetscreamer | i quit drinking one day... just never did anymore. i'm hoping it will happen like that with cigs |
| 01:37.11 | stoned | patches and gum and all that bullshit is useless |
| 01:37.21 | stoned | its a matter of desire |
| 01:37.30 | stoned | if you want to stop smoking, you will. if you don't, then you won't. |
| 01:37.31 | stoned | quite simple |
| 01:37.39 | jetscreamer | yeh.. i could if i wanted to... :) |
| 01:37.45 | stoned | exactly |
| 01:37.53 | stoned | thats the problem with 99% of people who fail to stop |
| 01:37.57 | stoned | cuz they don't want to. |
| 01:38.16 | jetscreamer | well i want to want to, which is more than it was |
| 01:38.55 | jetscreamer | 5.00 bucks a pack doesn't hurt the want, either |
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| 01:39.22 | stoned | try 9$ a pack here |
| 01:39.28 | jetscreamer | i remember buying a pack of marlboro for like .50cents ... but i was in the 4th grade |
| 01:39.30 | stoned | I bought one 3 weeks ago |
| 01:39.34 | stoned | i smoked two cigs |
| 01:39.39 | stoned | ultra light marlboro |
| 01:39.44 | stoned | pack is still sittin here |
| 01:39.50 | stoned | only two gone |
| 01:40.07 | stoned | i dunno why i bought it, i don't even smoke man |
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| 01:41.25 | ktos_pl | it is a good way to start any sports simoultanosuly with quitting smoking |
| 01:41.44 | stoned | anyway |
| 01:41.49 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:43.53 | cooner750 | I am having trouble compiling again |
| 01:43.56 | cooner750 | On Debian 4 |
| 01:44.02 | cooner750 | Same issue http://pastebin.ca/499427 |
| 01:44.25 | abrotman | !b-e cooner750 |
| 01:44.25 | dpkg | cooner750: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 01:44.50 | jetscreamer | dammit |
| 01:44.54 | jetscreamer | i wanted to b-e him dammit! |
| 01:45.31 | cooner750 | Hopefully that will fix the problem |
| 01:45.38 | jetscreamer | i'd aptitude install build-essential libncurses5-dev kernel-package and maybe some others if it was me |
| 01:45.43 | litage | when i manually rotate /var/log/syslog with logrotate, why would this error occur?: error: unable to open /var/log/syslog.1 for compression |
| 01:45.43 | cooner750 | I remember compiling without issues in Sarge ... did something change? |
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| 01:46.02 | cooner750 | It's configuring now |
| 01:46.04 | cooner750 | so far so good |
| 01:46.08 | jetscreamer | cooner750: was it a clean install of etch? |
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| 01:46.29 | cooner750 | jetscreamer: Yes, installed about an hour ago :P |
| 01:46.30 | jetscreamer | or an upgrade of one that worked as you said |
| 01:46.31 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 01:46.35 | abrotman | litage: and does it really exist ? |
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| 01:46.40 | cooner750 | the configure was good |
| 01:46.42 | jetscreamer | it's not installed by defaule |
| 01:46.43 | jetscreamer | t |
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| 01:46.49 | jetscreamer | !install |
| 01:46.49 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 01:46.52 | abrotman | !beer asg |
| 01:46.53 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 01:46.56 | abrotman | !installit |
| 01:46.56 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
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| 01:46.57 | jetscreamer | wurng factoid |
| 01:46.59 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 01:47.00 | abrotman | better ? |
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| 01:47.09 | jetscreamer | dammit you bettered me again.. :/ |
| 01:47.11 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 01:47.22 | abrotman | like it's hard :) |
| 01:47.32 | jetscreamer | ok i'll go shopping |
| 01:47.45 | litage | abrotman: /var/log/syslog.1 does not exist, but /var/log/syslog.1.gz exists |
| 01:47.55 | abrotman | okay .. then it's already been compressed |
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| 01:49.18 | jetscreamer | !radius |
| 01:49.18 | dpkg | rumour has it, radius is http://www.livingston.com/tech/technotes/500/index.html#RADIUS. Remote Authentication Dial-In User Service |
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| 01:51.45 | litage | abrotman, jetscreamer: i don't know why logrotate is trying to compress /var/log/syslog.1 rather than /var/log/syslog . this is the logrotate config file i'm using: http://rafb.net/p/RQYgzD41.html |
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| 01:52.49 | lfs | I get Debian to boot from grub on SATA2 |
| 01:53.05 | lfs | The trick is that menu.lst has to be hd0 |
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| 01:53.49 | jetscreamer | i know nothing but looks like by default it copies syslog to syslog.0 then maybe syslog.0 to syslog.1.gz |
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| 01:54.32 | lfs | So will Vista overwrite SATA2 MBR on install? |
| 01:54.32 | jetscreamer | lfs: those would be hd's , grub just cares about what order are they in, not sata/pata |
| 01:54.55 | jetscreamer | lfs: vista beta overwrote the mbr EVERY reboot, for me |
| 01:54.59 | jetscreamer | all i know.. |
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| 01:55.14 | lfs | But grub on Knoppix calls sata2 hd1 so it is a little tricky |
| 01:55.15 | jetscreamer | on install sure it will |
| 01:55.32 | jetscreamer | it's because you booted from the cd |
| 01:55.36 | jetscreamer | been there |
| 01:55.39 | lfs | right |
| 01:56.00 | lfs | Every reboot? |
| 01:56.04 | jetscreamer | make a grub floppy |
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| 01:56.13 | lfs | I have no floppy |
| 01:56.16 | jetscreamer | vista beta did.. i think i heard the regular doesn't |
| 01:56.22 | lfs | I am seriously thinking about adding one |
| 01:56.39 | jetscreamer | grub-usbstick |
| 01:56.43 | jetscreamer | or whatever |
| 01:56.48 | lfs | I cant get that to work |
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| 01:56.54 | lfs | I spent hours on that |
| 01:57.15 | lfs | I can boot from USB but not with grub |
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| 01:57.49 | jetscreamer | have an alternate booting-to-linux method for after you instal vista |
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| 01:58.04 | jetscreamer | smartbootmanager |
| 01:58.12 | lfs | I have knoppix |
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| 01:58.42 | jetscreamer | you can access the grubshell from that |
| 01:58.45 | lfs | At least I know how to get Debian to boot the hard way now |
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| 01:59.02 | jetscreamer | yeh i had to do that when i installed another ide controller |
| 01:59.11 | jetscreamer | learn the hard way |
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| 01:59.30 | jetscreamer | learned |
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| 02:00.24 | Atomy | hi i try to generate locales with "dpkg-reconfigure locales" but i cant select the locale i whish to generate |
| 02:00.31 | Atomy | i tried every key on my keyboard.. |
| 02:00.38 | reiser2 | i need to know how to choose the Charset ISO of mozilla |
| 02:00.44 | abrotman | that's right folks .. zophy and EdwardElric are having a heated competition |
| 02:00.54 | reiser2 | but let that charset how default |
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| 02:01.32 | kritical | Can anyone tell me how I can output one particular line from an extremely large file?... I know which line it's on... |
| 02:02.23 | Decepticon | so i formatted my usb pen drive to ext3 and i mounted it, buti cant still write anything to this drive. what should i do |
| 02:02.38 | Atomy | anyone can help me with my little "locales" problem? :( |
| 02:02.53 | Decepticon | i did sudo mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda1 ... and sudo e2label /dev/sda1 jumpdrive |
| 02:03.25 | liable | Atomy: is the locale listed? |
| 02:03.54 | Atomy | ya |
| 02:04.01 | Atomy | but i cannot choose any locale |
| 02:04.10 | liable | Atomy: use the space bar |
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| 02:04.15 | Atomy | tried :/ |
| 02:04.38 | Atomy | now its working -.- |
| 02:04.39 | jetscreamer | chown it |
| 02:04.41 | Atomy | thxs alot |
| 02:04.46 | jetscreamer | Decepticon: chown it |
| 02:04.53 | jetscreamer | when mounted |
| 02:04.53 | Atomy | lol it seems that i tried everything except space |
| 02:04.57 | Decepticon | i did sudo chown decepticon /dev/sda1 |
| 02:05.03 | jetscreamer | -R |
| 02:05.07 | jetscreamer | nono |
| 02:05.10 | jetscreamer | nonono |
| 02:05.11 | liable | heh |
| 02:05.14 | jetscreamer | not the /dev |
| 02:05.20 | jetscreamer | the mount point |
| 02:05.24 | jetscreamer | after you mount it |
| 02:05.28 | Decepticon | ah |
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| 02:05.48 | Decepticon | sudo chown decepticon /media/jumpdrive |
| 02:05.54 | jetscreamer | -R |
| 02:06.14 | Decepticon | whats the -R do |
| 02:06.25 | jetscreamer | all of it |
| 02:06.28 | jetscreamer | man chown |
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| 02:06.58 | Decepticon | ok i gotcha |
| 02:07.04 | jetscreamer | me, i chown the mount point, then mount, then chown -R it |
| 02:07.14 | Decepticon | will i have to do this every time i insert a usb hdd |
| 02:07.36 | jetscreamer | unless you use some automount stuff i dunno |
| 02:07.39 | Decepticon | if i insert a usb hdd, i want it ready to read/write to whoever inserted it... |
| 02:08.05 | jetscreamer | it can be done |
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| 02:08.55 | abrotman | asg: HI |
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| 02:10.01 | branstrom | I have a question. I first installed the web server nginx through "aptitude install nginx" - then I tried to install the most recent version, a backport, by doing what the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions said. |
| 02:10.02 | reiser2 | abrotman: hi |
| 02:10.12 | reiser2 | abrotman: hi |
| 02:10.27 | branstrom | That wouldn't work, it'd say that the directory doesn't exist or something like that. |
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| 02:10.59 | branstrom | I tried again and again, and now, I can't remove OR reinstall nginx |
| 02:11.12 | branstrom | It seems really messy. |
| 02:11.57 | branstrom | Has anyone successfully installed a backport recently? |
| 02:12.10 | abrotman | you mean a sarge backport on etch ? |
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| 02:12.55 | branstrom | The site I found the instructions on seemed to deal with etch backports... |
| 02:12.59 | branstrom | Doesn't it? |
| 02:13.26 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 02:13.56 | abrotman | site you found ? |
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| 02:14.12 | branstrom | Yes, the one I mentioned. |
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| 02:14.45 | abrotman | oh .. they do have them now |
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| 02:15.10 | branstrom | Yeah, at least it seemed like they did. |
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| 02:17.16 | newbie | #ubuntu |
| 02:17.30 | jetscreamer | no thanks |
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| 02:18.52 | branstrom | I get this error when I try to install or remove anything: W: Couldn't stat source package list http://www.backports.org etch-backports/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/www.backports.org_debian_dists_etch-backports_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
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| 02:19.19 | jetscreamer | you fucked up the source line |
| 02:19.31 | jetscreamer | or it's a bad url |
| 02:19.37 | branstrom | the source line reads... wait |
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| 02:19.49 | branstrom | deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free |
| 02:19.55 | branstrom | as http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions says |
| 02:20.02 | T0bsn5 | hehe |
| 02:20.18 | T0bsn5 | deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch main contrib non-free |
| 02:20.23 | T0bsn5 | probably |
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| 02:20.55 | jetscreamer | http://www.backports.org/debian/README.mirrors.html |
| 02:21.00 | branstrom | T0bsn5, I added a line for backports |
| 02:21.28 | jetscreamer | take the /debian off i think |
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| 02:21.37 | hunterr | hi, i am using exim4, courier-imap to set up an email server on a host in a wlan. with squirrelmail, i can send mails but not receive mails. am i missing some steps in the set-up? |
| 02:21.47 | branstrom | jetscreamer, I will try that. |
| 02:21.54 | jetscreamer | maybe deb http://www.backports.org/ etch-backports main contrib non-free |
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| 02:24.05 | branstrom | http://pastie.caboo.se/63197 |
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| 02:27.15 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 02:27.16 | dpkg | rumour has it, qotd78 is <BiZARRE> why cant I type my password when I try to login? <Phated> BiZARRE: Your password isn't echoed to the console. <BiZARRE> what? <BiZARRE> well, how do I type in the password? <Seb> BiZARRE: you hit the keys one by one <BiZARRE> nothing happens when I hit the keys <paulswm> UNtil you hit 'enter' <BiZARRE> the only key working is enter <BiZARRE> ok |
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| 02:32.51 | bubux | i'm trying to create a symbolic link in /usr/bin to execute my php-gtk scripts... i'm doing: debian:/usr/bin# ln -s -T "php4 -c /etc/php4/cli/php-gtk.ini" php-gtk but when i go to other directory and type php-gtk scriptname.php it doesn't work =( |
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| 02:39.09 | gubluntu | sweet.. i got the touchscreen working.. only problem now is that pointer is at a constant +3/+3 from my finger |
| 02:39.10 | gubluntu | anyone know how i would calibrate |
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| 02:40.54 | abrotman | gubluntu: on ubuntu ? |
| 02:41.00 | gubluntu | sarge |
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| 02:44.11 | gubluntu | abrotman: you only know ubuntu, or you were only looking to give me crap? |
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| 02:44.37 | gubluntu | i believe its X either way |
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| 02:45.00 | JuLiAn_fLeMa | ala mierd |
| 02:45.03 | JuLiAn_fLeMa | jaja |
| 02:45.17 | abrotman | !es |
| 02:45.18 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 02:45.21 | JuLiAn_fLeMa | alguien que hable español..????????? |
| 02:45.29 | JuLiAn_fLeMa | tenkiu |
| 02:45.29 | JuLiAn_fLeMa | :P |
| 02:45.39 | bubux | ustedes |
| 02:45.43 | bubux | yo soy del brazil |
| 02:45.49 | JuLiAn_fLeMa | :o |
| 02:45.50 | bubux | yo no sei espanol =( |
| 02:45.57 | abrotman | english in here please |
| 02:45.57 | JuLiAn_fLeMa | de ke se trata este chat? |
| 02:46.04 | JuLiAn_fLeMa | que es "Debian"? |
| 02:46.12 | abrotman | go to #debian-es |
| 02:46.24 | bubux | entra en #debian-es |
| 02:46.29 | JuLiAn_fLeMa | [abrotman] sh |
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| 02:46.36 | bubux | someone tell my sudo ln -sf "/usr/bin/php4 -c /etc/php4/cli/php-gtk.ini" /usr/bin/php-gtk |
| 02:46.39 | gubluntu | pienso solamente los gustos abrotman que dicen comandos de la gente |
| 02:46.48 | bubux | someone tell me why this don't work: sudo ln -sf "/usr/bin/php4 -c /etc/php4/cli/php-gtk.ini" /usr/bin/php-gtk |
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| 02:47.05 | abrotman | gubluntu: are you intentionally being a pain in the ass ? |
| 02:47.07 | gubluntu | cue abrotman, telling about patinece |
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| 02:48.47 | bubux | well i'm going to #ubuntu. i'm sure they will help me |
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| 02:49.57 | stew | bubux: it doesn't work becuase you don't have a file named "/usr/bin/php4 -c /etc/php4/cli/php-gtk.ini" |
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| 02:50.23 | stew | if you are trying to pass arguments to /usr/bin/php4, then you'll have to create an alias or a shell function |
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| 02:50.57 | stew | bubux: help alias ; help function |
| 02:52.47 | bubux | i see.. thnx |
| 02:54.14 | abrotman | are you running debian ? |
| 02:54.24 | gubluntu | lol |
| 02:54.24 | bubux | abrotman: yes |
| 02:54.40 | abrotman | gubluntu: there aren't any tools to adjust that ? |
| 02:54.52 | gubluntu | im not sure.. |
| 02:55.00 | gubluntu | i dont know of any |
| 02:55.27 | gubluntu | i just installed the driver |
| 02:55.34 | gubluntu | then edited my x conf file |
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| 03:06.08 | clamothe | How can I disable colored output for ls ? |
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| 03:06.18 | clamothe | or is there a way to just make everything white? |
| 03:06.27 | clamothe | I'm sshing into a debian box here |
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| 03:07.06 | stew | clamothe: 'unalias ls' to remove the alias that is causing color output, you can do this permanantly by removing the alias from .bashrc |
| 03:07.15 | ApEtc | clamothe: IIRC, the default .bashrc has an alias that adds the color statement to the default ls command |
| 03:07.16 | clamothe | Ok thanks |
| 03:07.19 | stew | clamothe: or if you want it just once, run "/bin/ls" instead of "ls" |
| 03:07.24 | stew | clamothe: or ls --color=none |
| 03:07.37 | clamothe | and what about my shell prompt, can I remove the color from it? |
| 03:07.56 | stew | clamothe: what shell are you using? |
| 03:08.01 | clamothe | bash |
| 03:08.12 | stew | clamothe: how did you add color to it? probably in .bashrc |
| 03:08.16 | stew | but it wouldn't have color by default |
| 03:08.18 | clamothe | Okay |
| 03:08.50 | clamothe | I guess that's the place to be :) |
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| 03:10.13 | glasserc | What kind of specs would be sufficient for a text-only machine, no X? Is 667 MHz not enough? How about 128 MB of RAM? |
| 03:10.24 | internat | depends what u want to do with it |
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| 03:10.45 | glasserc | I think emacs is going to be the most computing-intensive thing, but also printing and Internet. |
| 03:10.48 | cafuego | glasserc: a 16Mb pentium 66 would be fine. |
| 03:11.08 | cafuego | glasserc: if you want emacs and internet, maybe 32Mb. |
| 03:11.26 | cafuego | If your machine is faster, you will have no problems. |
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| 03:12.08 | simonrvn | cafuego: hello there |
| 03:12.16 | cafuego | ehlo simonrvn |
| 03:12.22 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 03:12.28 | glasserc | cafuego: Thanks. |
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| 03:21.12 | Sweetandy | Is there a way to bind keystrokes in Blackbox? bbconf doesn't seem to be avilable in apt. |
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| 03:23.43 | grendal_prime | !dmesg |
| 03:23.44 | dpkg | methinks dmesg is print or control the kernel ring buffer. /var/log/dmesg gives you the whole thing from boot time. `dmesg' shows you current ring buffer contents. |
| 03:24.49 | Xenguy | !multimedia |
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| 03:25.00 | unix_infidel | 5 virtual desks and dual vga display have been making my head hurt for over 2 hours now. |
| 03:25.03 | unix_infidel | i hate computers :P |
| 03:25.21 | Xenguy | !dpkg |
| 03:25.21 | dpkg | i heard dpkg is the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". also ask me about <apt howto> |
| 03:25.30 | grendal_prime | what is this berill i keep hearing about in kubuntu? Do we have it in debian? |
| 03:25.44 | Xenguy | beryl |
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| 03:30.52 | thingfish | grendal_prime: /msg dpkg beryl |
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| 03:32.28 | rking | wait, so is irc.debian.org not on the same network as irc.freenode.net ? |
| 03:32.43 | dondelelcaro | no |
| 03:33.08 | dondelelcaro | (irc.debian.org is a cname which currently points at oftc) |
| 03:33.11 | rking | so what makes each one unique from each other? |
| 03:33.31 | dondelelcaro | different networks, different policies |
| 03:34.02 | rking | i take it this one's more active? |
| 03:34.20 | dondelelcaro | yes, but a large number of people are on both |
| 03:35.02 | Xenguy | I have http://www.debian-multimedia.org in my sources.list file, but can't remember what to install to get multimedia going -- can anyone offer a pointer? |
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| 03:36.02 | dondelelcaro | Xenguy: which multimedia package are you looking for? |
| 03:36.32 | Xenguy | dondelelcaro: I want codecs etc. |
| 03:36.42 | branstrom | Using aptitude, after editing sources.list, is there anything I have to do in order to activate it? |
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| 03:36.47 | jetscreamer | !w32codecs |
| 03:36.47 | dpkg | w32codecs is probably a non-free package that is not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. The package provides codecs for several multimedia formats, such as AVI, Realmedia, and Windows Media. To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia> |
| 03:36.53 | dondelelcaro | Xenguy: so install w32codecs |
| 03:37.03 | Xenguy | dondelelcaro: and do I need that libdvdcss (sp?) |
| 03:37.20 | jetscreamer | 2 |
| 03:37.44 | jetscreamer | use a package manager and see what's new |
| 03:37.49 | Xenguy | dondelelcaro jetscreamer OK thanks folks (memory a little rusty since last install) |
| 03:38.52 | jetscreamer | mencoder, dvdauthor |
| 03:39.03 | jetscreamer | vobcopy transcode |
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| 03:39.18 | jetscreamer | avisomethingsomething |
| 03:39.32 | cammoblammo | Xenguy: ffmpeg (IIRC) can be useful too. You only need libdvdcss if you want to work with DVDs. |
| 03:39.37 | Xenguy | might be good to get these recommendations in a factoid (if there isn't one already) |
| 03:39.43 | Xenguy | thanks again all |
| 03:40.05 | Xenguy | I tried !multimedia and received no output |
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| 03:40.22 | jetscreamer | !debian-multimedia |
| 03:40.22 | dpkg | [debian-multimedia] a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
| 03:40.32 | Xenguy | ahh |
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| 03:41.29 | Xenguy | dpkg multimedia is See debian-multimedia... |
| 03:41.29 | dpkg | Xenguy: okay |
| 03:41.42 | jetscreamer | !tell deg0nz|weq -about away |
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| 03:43.18 | mojo | hello I am installing debian on a ppc SoC dev board and keep having problems after i pick a mirror. what is a good mirror to choose so i don't have to go thru the whole list and keep dying part way thru? i am in nashville, tennessee, usa |
| 03:44.03 | mojo | anyone alive in here? |
| 03:44.12 | Xenguy | codecs |
| 03:44.16 | Xenguy | oops |
| 03:44.21 | thingfish | mirrors.kernel.org has always worked for me. |
| 03:44.24 | Xenguy | !oops |
| 03:44.24 | dpkg | from memory, oops is "aw damn, i messesd up and deleted <entry>", or see ksymoops |
| 03:44.45 | jetscreamer | w32 |
| 03:45.13 | Xenguy | dpkg codecs is See w32codecs |
| 03:45.13 | dpkg | okay, Xenguy |
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| 03:46.07 | mojo | thingfish: thanks... maybe it is something with my sucky dlink router. mirros.kernel.org keeps hanging at around 20 to 40 %. i guess i'll keep plugging away :/ |
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| 03:46.58 | mojo | thingfish: i have another question... do I have to give it a domain name? it wants to use hsd1.tn.comcast.net but i don't think i want to.. ? |
| 03:47.17 | thingfish | mojo: let it use that addy |
| 03:47.36 | mojo | thingfish: the domain you mean? |
| 03:47.47 | thingfish | just hit enter when you see that, go on to the next step |
| 03:47.59 | mojo | thingfish: kk thanks :) |
| 03:48.04 | thingfish | np |
| 03:48.32 | Xenguy | cammoblammo: oh, and thanks for that BTW :-) |
| 03:49.50 | branstrom | jetscreamer, I didn't know you had to run aptitude update after editing sources.list, and then I got an error about the public key that I needed, added that after some googling and now it works I think |
| 03:50.01 | mojo | thingfish: so my little box will be merkaba.hsd1.tn.comcast.net for a fqdn... i am a home cable isp customer and won't get resolution from their dns servers though, so that is why i didn't think it was what i should do. |
| 03:50.45 | jetscreamer | !etch key |
| 03:50.45 | dpkg | # apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-get update |
| 03:51.19 | foo | Hm, anyone know of a tool that stress the network? I want to stress test this box. iozone3 and bonnie++ are on my list. |
| 03:51.19 | mojo | thingfish: whoo hoo! it actually flew on thru and finished dl from mirrors.kernel.org! yay! |
| 03:52.24 | thingfish | mojo: cool |
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| 03:56.47 | sudo_maddash | wow, it's dead in here. like at kernel.org. |
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| 03:57.08 | mojo | sudo_maddash: boo |
| 03:57.50 | darklard | so uh... how long do you think it would take to make .deb files out of alsa-source package.... |
| 03:57.55 | jetscreamer | why would you want to |
| 03:57.59 | jetscreamer | or need to |
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| 03:58.47 | darklard | uh, good question... was told to ask because alsa guys were thinking maybe i would need to in order to keep package manager clean and get latest alsa |
| 03:59.51 | darklard | because after having compiled latest alsa drivers&kernel sound still doesn't work so they thought maybe the system just isn't seein' them for some reason...? |
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| 04:01.24 | mojo | darklard: lsmod? |
| 04:01.25 | darklard | mojo u want the output? |
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| 04:01.47 | mojo | darklard: i am in the middle of an install that requires the usurption of my desktop machines graphics card, so i am running in text mode on my main box. sry. |
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| 04:02.32 | darklard | mojo: okay... not sure what you want bud *_* |
| 04:02.38 | mojo | darklard: lsmod should show if the module is loaded. i presume you've compiled as a loadable module (.ko) and loaded the module. so |
| 04:02.47 | darklard | oh yes |
| 04:02.49 | foo | hm, how can I get mysql to log to /var/lib/mysql/hostname.err? I stuck err-log=/var/lib/mysql/hostname.err in [mysqld] block ... but apparently debian is doing something different. |
| 04:03.18 | mojo | so if it's loading, then next make sure the right version is loading should you have more than one. there is a symlink file somewhere that is redirected to the version you load, iirc |
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| 04:03.36 | mojo | darklard: what hardware you tryin to get running anyway? |
| 04:04.10 | darklard | an intel onboard soundcard in a toshiba p105-s9339 laptop |
| 04:04.34 | mojo | darklard: no how-to's out there on that rig? |
| 04:05.10 | mojo | darklard: sry normally i could be more help but i am handicapped atm |
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| 04:05.43 | darklard | not that I've found and I've now stumped 1 ALSA guy 1 sudo ALSA guy and another brilliant mind (parden the pun) |
| 04:06.20 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 04:06.21 | darklard | and lsmod doesn't really tell me anything other than the hardware shows up... |
| 04:08.28 | jetscreamer | no oss driver? |
| 04:08.29 | darklard | snd_pcm_oss 53504 0 |
| 04:08.29 | darklard | snd_mixer_oss 18304 1 snd_pcm_oss |
| 04:08.29 | jetscreamer | i mean OSS |
| 04:08.29 | mojo | darklard: lsmod should be telling you that the kernel module is loading into memory |
| 04:08.29 | jetscreamer | snd_ ==alsa |
| 04:08.29 | mojo | darklard: you try any command line utils like alsaconfig or alsaplayer |
| 04:08.46 | darklard | mojo yes have tried both and not seeing the word alsa anywhere in lsmod output |
| 04:08.49 | mojo | darklard: it could be that alsa subsystem is up but whatever you're trying to use with it is not set up corectly to use it. though that is a shot in the dark |
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| 04:09.23 | darklard | I ran a test some alsa guy told me lemme see if i have it.... |
| 04:09.32 | mojo | darklard: well you may not see the workd alsa, for instance what i look for is emu10k1 (among others) for my sound modules |
| 04:09.33 | jetscreamer | if that's all the snd_ stuff there is no alsa module driver loaded |
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| 04:09.54 | litage_ | i'm trying to mount audio CDs, but the same strange error keeps occuring. any suggestions?: http://rafb.net/p/ktg0X455.html |
| 04:09.54 | darklard | oh yes i have hda_intel that sort? |
| 04:10.38 | mojo | anyone know how to drop to shell in irssi? i usually use xchat but am textmode this evening... |
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| 04:11.27 | foo | # Error logging goes to syslog. This is a Debian improvement :) ... I see this in /etc/mysql/my.cnf ... but I don't want error logging in syslog. How can I move it? I've tried err-log= in my.cnf, but it's not working. |
| 04:11.33 | mojo | darklard: if i can drop to shell i can check some stuff on my config for you... it is ubuntu but based on debian. (before debian guys hiss, i AM installing etch on a dev box so Ppppttt!) |
| 04:11.49 | Agrajag- | mojo: there is a /exec in irssi, but it's best to run irssi in screen |
| 04:11.53 | darklard | lol |
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| 04:12.55 | mojo | Agrajag-: hmm i have heard of screen but don't know how to use it. |
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| 04:13.30 | Agrajag- | mojo: it is definitely worth your while finding out how :) |
| 04:13.32 | mojo | DOH!!!! Virtual Terminals save the day! |
| 04:13.46 | mojo | Agrajag-: agreed. but for now it's alt-F2 time :)) |
| 04:13.52 | mojo | darklard: brb |
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| 04:14.22 | Yeti | What's the command to uninstall something in linux? |
| 04:14.26 | Yeti | Debian linux, I'm sorry. |
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| 04:14.42 | \amethyst | Yeti: apt-get remove package |
| 04:15.06 | Yeti | \amethyst, you da man. Thanks. :) |
| 04:15.30 | mojo | darklard: i have alsa but lsmod does not have the text "alsa" in it's output anywhere. i have two snd dev |
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| 04:16.28 | darklard | mojo i have a ton of snd_*** |
| 04:16.44 | mojo | ices... creative audigy 2zs plat pro which is snd_emu10k1 and on-board intel audio on my MSI mobo using snd_intel8x0 |
| 04:17.37 | mojo | darklard: snd, sndcore, and snd_suchandso? |
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| 04:18.08 | mojo | darklard: dunno if you have the same mobo chipset but do you have anything that says snd_intel* |
| 04:18.17 | darklard | mojo yes |
| 04:18.34 | darklard | snd_hda_intel |
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| 04:19.17 | mojo | darklard: that is promising |
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| 04:19.25 | bubux_ | is it possible to use the [WIN] key on my keyboard to popup gnome Applications menu? |
| 04:19.26 | magic_pinguim | Hello |
| 04:19.47 | mojo | bubux_: WIN key usually becomes "super" modifier key |
| 04:19.48 | darklard | mojo lol yes... but no, cause if i didn't have it I would certainly know where to start LOL |
| 04:20.02 | mojo | darklard: :)) |
| 04:20.17 | mojo | darklard: okay checking my config under /etc |
| 04:20.24 | darklard | k |
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| 04:20.25 | bubux_ | mojo: what you mean by super modifier key? whats it's usage? |
| 04:20.45 | amphi | capslock makes a nice Mod2 key ;) |
| 04:21.21 | magic_pinguim | i'm sorry the question but i reinstall my operating system to put change to amd64 so i install clean fro bussines and i'm herefor 1-3 hours try to install the ati driver |
| 04:21.23 | bubux_ | mojo: i'm still here =) whast super key usage? |
| 04:21.45 | magic_pinguim | neither what cames from debian neither what cames from the ati website install someone know why this is happening? |
| 04:22.15 | bubux_ | you have to be more specific.. what errors you get? |
| 04:22.31 | bubux_ | magic_pinguim: why it doesn't work? you followed an guide? |
| 04:22.44 | magic_pinguim | bubux_> it says it can`t load some /usr/.... fglrx_drv.so but the file is there ... |
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| 04:23.20 | bubux_ | magic_pinguim: i'm sorry but i never installed ati on linux.. only nvidia |
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| 04:23.56 | bubux_ | !ati |
| 04:23.56 | dpkg | Want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz Try to avoid using ati's stuff directy unless you have to. --- I've heard the driver control panel app needs 32bit libs to compile under 64b |
| 04:25.11 | magic_pinguim | Ohhhhh the 32 librarys :x |
| 04:25.42 | mojo | bubux_: sry was off screen... super is the name for a modifier key, like control or shift, used to alter the value of a normal keystroke. so you can use the win key in linux terms as "super" so instead of a kbd shorcut like alt-x or ctrl-x you can map to super-x and use the winkey-x to activate the shortcut. look into xbindkeys maybe |
| 04:25.45 | magic_pinguim | yes i understand but is really strange ... because i tru to use the ... fglrx that cames in debian for default ... |
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| 04:25.57 | magic_pinguim | from apt-get "cames allready installed and everything " |
| 04:26.00 | magic_pinguim | and don`t work |
| 04:26.23 | magic_pinguim | bubux_ very lots of thank you :) i will try to compile whith 32 librarys |
| 04:26.41 | darklard | bbl |
| 04:26.49 | mojo | darklard: kk |
| 04:27.00 | bubux_ | magic_pinguim: where are u from by the way? |
| 04:27.47 | \amethyst | Portugal I bet |
| 04:27.47 | magic_pinguim | bubux_ portugal why? |
| 04:28.04 | magic_pinguim | \amethyst yeh right :) you checking me :) lol |
| 04:28.35 | magic_pinguim | brb gona try the 32 librarys :x thanks one more time :) sorry guys |
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| 04:29.39 | r4nge | what is recommended for partitioning... parted or fdisk? |
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| 04:33.41 | mojo | QUESTION - I am installing debian etch via debian installer, net install, on a dev board from Genesi/bPlan that uses a Freescale 5200B PPC SoC proc. Deb Inst. wants to know what kernel I want to use. Can I not install a kernel and put one on manually? will the installer go on? I have a kernel from bplan (2.6.20 methinks) that I will need to use |
| 04:35.09 | bubux_ | magic_pinguim: because you wrote pinguin and not penguin.. i'm from brazil i you need help /msg bubux_ your message |
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| 04:35.32 | dondelelcaro | mojo: yes; so long as the kernel you install will boot at least once, you can do that. |
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| 04:40.18 | mojo | dondelelcaro: i can boot a kernel on the ppc openfirmware via tftp (netboot), and that will get me going i think. that is how i got the debian installer to boot |
| 04:40.29 | dondelelcaro | mojo: yeah, that'd work too |
| 04:40.36 | mojo | dondelelcaro: cool beans! |
| 04:40.48 | dondelelcaro | mojo: worst case you can just boot back up off the installer, mount, chroot, and install the kernel that way |
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| 04:41.13 | mojo | dondelelcaro: so the installer is a kernel, basically? |
| 04:41.35 | mojo | dondelelcaro: well i guess it would have to be, of sorts! lol |
| 04:41.41 | dondelelcaro | mojo: no, it's really a miniature linux machine in itself. |
| 04:41.45 | dondelelcaro | s/machine/install/ |
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| 04:43.27 | mojo | dondelelcaro: thanks. i have yet to complete the installer but when i'm done i should be able to netboot the debian 2.6.20 image i have... it has special sauce in it for the hardware i'm running |
| 04:43.30 | slacker403 | how do i do a distro upgrade from sarge to etch |
| 04:47.14 | karrotx | slacker403: apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 04:47.28 | slacker403 | which is better? |
| 04:47.31 | slacker403 | i want etch |
| 04:47.48 | karrotx | is etch stable? |
| 04:47.57 | Vasistha | yes, etch is stable now. see the /topic ! |
| 04:48.02 | karrotx | woah |
| 04:48.10 | Vasistha | it has been since easter |
| 04:48.18 | slacker403 | sooo ? :) |
| 04:48.30 | slacker403 | apt-get update ? |
| 04:48.38 | Vasistha | !tell slacker403 about sarge->etch |
| 04:48.56 | cammoblammo | slacker403: you need to run both commands. |
| 04:49.14 | slacker403 | one after aother ? |
| 04:49.14 | mojo | slacker403: they do different things... the better one does what you intend. dist-upgrade will upgrade to the newere dist version, update i thing just updates your package lists. upgrade will upgrade your existing packages methinks. then again i typically use synaptic |
| 04:50.26 | dondelelcaro | !dist-upgrade |
| 04:50.26 | dpkg | ask me about 'woody->sarge' or 'sarge->etch', or a parameter to apt-get which will do intelligent dependency handling (as opposed to "upgrade"). It will install new packages and clobber old ones as needed. Do not blindly use dist-upgrade. man apt-get, and read carefully. see <why not dist upgrade> |
| 04:50.27 | Vasistha | slacker403: did you get that /msg from dpkg? You should really follow the instructions there. |
| 04:50.30 | slacker403 | i already ran the apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 04:50.35 | slacker403 | :( ? bad ? |
| 04:50.51 | cammoblammo | slacker403: First you need to change your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Then you run apt-get update to let your computer know what packages are in etch, then run apt-get dist-upgrade to do the upgrade. |
| 04:51.06 | Vasistha | slacker403: well, you should read the release notes!! ;) |
| 04:51.12 | slacker403 | yea i know |
| 04:51.14 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: no, dist-upgrade is <reply> dist-upgrade is a command to apt-get which will attempt to do intelligent dependency handling (as opposed to upgrade"). It will install new packages and clobber old ones as needed. Do not blindly use dist-upgrade. man apt-get, and read carefully. see <why not dist upgrade> <woody->sarge> or <sarge->etch> |
| 04:51.15 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
| 04:51.27 | cammoblammo | slacker403: Did you change your sources.list file? |
| 04:51.49 | slacker403 | im looking for it |
| 04:52.00 | Vasistha | /etc/apt/ |
| 04:52.23 | slacker403 | yea |
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| 04:54.24 | *** topic/#debian is ETCH IS NOW STABLE: /msg dpkg etch | /msg dpkg sarge->etch ! Lenny is the new testing! | /msg dpkg lenny | /msg dpkg etch->lenny | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC | /msg dpkg bts | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java |
| 04:54.25 | streuner | What kind of troll is this? |
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| 04:54.50 | streuner | Are you able to read a simple factoid? |
| 04:55.05 | slacker403 | grrrrrrr |
| 04:56.35 | cammoblammo | slacker403: Take a look at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html for the official guide. |
| 04:57.10 | cammoblammo | slacker403: Read all of it, but section 4.4 seems to be the bit you need. |
| 04:57.27 | slacker403 | i need to offical sources |
| 04:57.40 | slacker403 | the ones in thier now are some sources my datacenter put in there |
| 04:57.44 | slacker403 | why i dont know |
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| 04:58.17 | magic_pinguim | re |
| 04:58.30 | magic_pinguim | nathing neither whith 31 librays are working :x |
| 04:58.35 | slacker403 | re? |
| 04:59.17 | magic_pinguim | the ati don`t run in my amd64 debian os 64 bits :x |
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| 04:59.28 | Vasistha | !ati |
| 04:59.28 | dpkg | Want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz Try to avoid using ati's stuff directy unless you have to. --- I've heard the driver control panel app needs 32bit libs to compile under 64b |
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| 05:07.33 | *** topic/#debian is ETCH IS NOW STABLE: /msg dpkg etch | /msg dpkg sarge->etch ! Lenny is the new testing! | /msg dpkg lenny | /msg dpkg etch->lenny | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC | /msg dpkg bts | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java |
| 05:07.40 | Winkie | now i have a few packages on my system which want to upgrade themselves after i added unstable repositories and set up my apt preferences |
| 05:07.57 | Winkie | i have no idea why they want to upgrade but i'm guessing they don't match any criteria because of my bizarre install method |
| 05:08.11 | slacker403 | also get a little money in brazil gotta hire bodyguards now |
| 05:08.14 | streuner | Winkie: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 05:08.15 | Vasistha | !tell Winkie -about sid faq |
| 05:08.29 | magic_pinguim | slacker403 far but we have some shared culture to :) language and everything |
| 05:08.30 | Sweetandy | lawl] |
| 05:08.37 | Winkie | streuner: ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 05:08.50 | slacker403 | magic_pinguim: language is different ;) culture i dont agree |
| 05:09.00 | mojo | is popularity-contest evil? |
| 05:09.07 | Vasistha | mojo: no! it's good! :) |
| 05:09.13 | slacker403 | its still portuguese but i think BR sounds better |
| 05:10.41 | slacker403 | portuguese PT sounds more spanish |
| 05:10.41 | mojo | Vasistha: kk i installed it then |
| 05:10.42 | streuner | Winkie: edit your sources.list to etch and /msg dpkg simple sid backport (if needed) |
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| 05:10.45 | magic_pinguim | slacker403 i'm very pleaser to talk whith you but i think we are disturbing the channel because probably some persons here maby need help i think :x |
| 05:10.45 | streuner | Winkie: /msg dpkg backports |
| 05:10.46 | Winkie | streuner: my sources are edited to etch, i have etch and unstable, with only etch there are no upgrades but with etch and unstable there are a few |
| 05:10.46 | slacker403 | magic_pinguim: no problem ;) |
| 05:10.46 | Winkie | that's what is confusing me |
| 05:10.46 | streuner | Winkie: so just comment those lines with 'unstable' there |
| 05:10.46 | Winkie | streuner: well it's not causing me a giant problem, i just don't know why they are |
| 05:10.48 | Winkie | surely with /etc/apt/preferences set correctly they should be lower priority |
| 05:10.59 | Vasistha | Winkie: they probably *will* cause you a giant problem if you're not careful ;) |
| 05:11.06 | slacker403 | whats the main deabin repos ? |
| 05:11.12 | Winkie | Vasistha: i don't plan on upgrading until i know what's going on exactly :) |
| 05:11.58 | Vasistha | Winkie: yeah, you should be safe as long as you know how to do your pinning. e.g. I use the free pascal compiler from unstable on my otherwise stable-repo system |
| 05:12.00 | Winkie | backports doesn't have what i need (that i know of) |
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| 05:12.17 | streuner | !bobbitt |
| 05:12.17 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system. |
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| 05:12.20 | Vasistha | you might check backports again -- since etch was just released recently, it's pretty active |
| 05:12.33 | Winkie | Vasistha: i did just now :) |
| 05:12.54 | Winkie | i might just upgrade them to unstable, not the best course but feasible |
| 05:13.06 | mojo | lol the Lorena Bobbitt analogy is weak, though funny |
| 05:13.11 | Vasistha | but, e.g., the free pascal compiler is a special case, because it has no dependencies outside its own little family of fp- packages |
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| 05:13.34 | streuner | funnier vs. what happens to _him_? ;-) |
| 05:13.55 | mojo | streuner: actually what happened to him was not funny. |
| 05:14.07 | Vasistha | I just remember hearing that he started doig porn to prove to the world that his woody still worked |
| 05:14.11 | mojo | streuner: though at least they did manage to sew his manpart back on |
| 05:14.12 | Winkie | Vasistha: i'm just going to upgrade them to unstable as soon as is possible |
| 05:14.16 | Winkie | thanks for the advice though |
| 05:15.03 | Vasistha | Winkie: you should also consider a simple sid backport: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 05:15.20 | Vasistha | Winkie: it's safer than actually installing packages from the unstable binary repos |
| 05:16.29 | Winkie | hmm that is simple |
| 05:16.31 | Winkie | i'll give that a go |
| 05:16.55 | magic_pinguim | anyone know why my ati driver "include the debian fglrx driver" is nor working in my xorg.conf that have allready the "vesa" to "fglrx" ?! |
| 05:17.00 | Vasistha | good, good, good -- we're always glad to hear a safe decision like that :) |
| 05:17.59 | Winkie | well it's not too big a deal, the server is backed up and can be rebuilt automatically :) |
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| 05:18.30 | Vasistha | magic_pinguim: what do you mean "not working"? Are there errors in /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? Does X start at all? |
| 05:20.01 | magic_pinguim | one minute please lets me pastbin |
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| 05:21.32 | magic_pinguim | Vasistha http://paste.uni.cc/15675 |
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| 05:21.38 | magic_pinguim | vdlopen: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 05:21.47 | magic_pinguim | i bealiver thta something about this :x |
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| 05:22.33 | magic_pinguim | probbaly now i'm watching :x this cames after try to load fglrx |
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| 05:22.54 | Vasistha | magic_pinguim: actually, the (EE) lines are the ones with errors that you really want to watch ;) |
| 05:23.37 | magic_pinguim | i don`t know ...if i know how to resolve it i'm not here bored you a litle :x |
| 05:24.16 | DavidProck1981 | hay i was playing Doom3 and since it is a dark lighting kind of game, Wellit has a option to turn up the brightness, and also as it made the game brighter it made the desktop brighter.....and......... |
| 05:24.50 | Vasistha | magic_pinguim: although that line certainly is interesting. Well, do you have the driver file? ls -l /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/fglrx_drv.so |
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| 05:24.55 | slacker403 | what debian repos should i putin my sources.list ......... i had some 3rd paty nes in mine |
| 05:25.00 | DavidProck1981 | the game unexpectidly quit and now the desktop ias feft that way, anyone know how i can fix that |
| 05:25.10 | DavidProck1981 | is* left* |
| 05:25.18 | magic_pinguim | Vasistha yes i have i check this beford :x |
| 05:25.39 | magic_pinguim | after i see that :x that one thing thta makes me confused :X |
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| 05:26.07 | dexomsrc | I'm running Half-Life (non-Steam) 1.1.1.0 with WINE and the maximum resolution it will let me use is 512x384 in OpenGL, Software, OR Direct3D mode. |
| 05:26.07 | mojo | DavidProck1981: ummm maybe reload doom3, use it to disable the option, then quit gracefully? |
| 05:26.21 | DavidProck1981 | now i cant get it to load |
| 05:26.28 | dexomsrc | I have Debian sid and the latest wine, libwine, libwine-gl, and libwine-alsa packages in sid. |
| 05:26.31 | DavidProck1981 | i tried that |
| 05:26.45 | dexomsrc | The game runs fine, sound and video work, but only at those awful resolutions. |
| 05:27.00 | magic_pinguim | Vasistha strange error don`t you think? :x |
| 05:27.02 | Winkie | Vasistha: it looks like a simple backport will do what i want, and i checked preferences and managed to add unstable perfectly |
| 05:27.17 | mojo | DavidProck1981: so it is persistent thru restart of x or even a reboot? |
| 05:27.36 | Winkie | upgrading a binary package would obviously install an upgrade libc6, but what i wanted to ask was how unsafe is it to downgrade every package to the version in stable? |
| 05:27.42 | DavidProck1981 | let me tri that he rebot and see |
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| 05:28.16 | Vasistha | magic_pinguim: dpkg -l libstdc++5 | sed '1,5d' |
| 05:28.41 | magic_pinguim | Vasistha ok |
| 05:28.43 | Vasistha | Winkie: that's tricky. downgrading is not supported very well. |
| 05:28.48 | Winkie | Vasistha: it's only 50 packages in this case, and no libc6 or anything that i can see |
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| 05:29.01 | Vasistha | !tell Winkie -about downgrading |
| 05:29.11 | Winkie | yeah i understand it's not something to do lightly |
| 05:29.16 | Winkie | but these packages are reasonably modern |
| 05:29.17 | DavidProck1981 | ok , xserver restart fixed it |
| 05:29.22 | Winkie | i'll try it on a server i can fix at some point |
| 05:29.23 | mojo | DavidProck1981: yay |
| 05:29.33 | DavidProck1981 | thanks |
| 05:30.11 | Vasistha | DavidProck1981: also check out xrandr ... there may also be some other x adjustment tools |
| 05:30.24 | DavidProck1981 | xrandr? |
| 05:30.35 | Vasistha | !tell DavidProck1981 -about pdo |
| 05:30.50 | valdyn | DavidProck1981: xrandr for modes, xgamma for brightness |
| 05:31.16 | DavidProck1981 | modes as in resolution ? |
| 05:31.27 | Vasistha | yes, and color depth |
| 05:33.14 | magic_pinguim | Vasistha :) |
| 05:34.04 | magic_pinguim | Vasistha how cna i don`t remember this :) |
| 05:34.15 | Vasistha | magic_pinguim: pardon? |
| 05:34.55 | magic_pinguim | Vasistha you right the libstdc++5 was try to load the driver and the debian have the libstdc++6 not the libstdc++5 pre installed |
| 05:35.02 | mojo | what are the r's in x r and r... resolution and rotation? (like for one of those monitors that rotate between widescreen and page display)??? |
| 05:35.16 | magic_pinguim | Vasistha lets me try the reboot to see if it works :) thanks |
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| 05:35.40 | Vasistha | mojo: from p.d.o : X Window System Resize, Rotate and Reflection extension library |
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| 05:36.07 | mojo | Vasistha: thx |
| 05:36.08 | Vasistha | mojo: I think most people just use it for changing resolution and refresh rates |
| 05:36.45 | Winkie | Vasistha: well i downgraded one of our identical servers so lets see :) |
| 05:37.00 | Vasistha | Winkie: wow, nice. keeping fingers crossed! |
| 05:37.19 | Winkie | Vasistha: not responding to ping yet :D |
| 05:37.25 | Winkie | oh now it is |
| 05:37.59 | Winkie | yep seems to have worked, no upgrades available :) |
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| 05:41.58 | wolferine | does debian or only *buntu use synaptic/apt-get/aptitude? |
| 05:42.12 | Vasistha | wolferine: all those were created by debian |
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| 05:42.47 | wolferine | ok, and how are the .deb files kept on sites/issues/bugs with them? |
| 05:43.00 | Vasistha | huh? |
| 05:43.11 | wolferine | does someone take the src files, and prepare the .deb files? |
| 05:43.23 | wolferine | or is it done at the programmers end? |
| 05:43.35 | slacker403 | someone wanna setup my debian server $$ involved :) |
| 05:43.38 | wolferine | so I write program A, that everyone wants to use |
| 05:43.50 | Vasistha | slacker403: there's a list of official contractors on the debian website |
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| 05:44.11 | wolferine | do I have to make my own .deb of the program A, then upload to all the source.list sites? |
| 05:44.23 | Vasistha | wolferine: depends on the package. Some programmers make their own debian packages. Other programmers don't, and debian maintainers package the stuff. |
| 05:44.58 | wolferine | or do I offer the source to the community, and ppl test/debug it, and then create a .deb package for it? |
| 05:44.58 | magic_pinguim | Vasistha it works thanks :) that the missing of this libstdc++5 :) you save my day |
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| 05:45.19 | Vasistha | wolferine: and, you would never upload to "all the sources.list sites". It goes through experimental first, the unstable, etc. ... and it has to be accepted first, too. |
| 05:45.21 | wolferine | so where are maintainers, is there any that accept some form of chat/bug submissions? |
| 05:45.26 | Vasistha | magic_pinguim: wow! great to hear it |
| 05:45.40 | Vasistha | wolferine: check out the mailing lists |
| 05:45.40 | magic_pinguim | :) |
| 05:46.05 | mojo | vent/ damn the debian installer is unforgiving... i have had to go back several steps and re-do them when i only needed to re-do the one step. ugh, stupid smart installer! /vent |
| 05:46.11 | Vasistha | wolferine: I suspect there are also faqs for the kind of info you're looking for, but I'm not sure where to find them |
| 05:46.30 | DavidProck1981 | any one know of a better Gimp, my wife is whating to edit some photos and she thinks it is not good enough, And she is wanting Adobe Photoshop, So anyone know of any thing for linux that will compare to that? |
| 05:46.33 | wolferine | i have found what I believe to be an issue with the apache (family) packages |
| 05:46.47 | Winkie | Vasistha: just fyi, 2 servers have gone ok with downgrading so far, is there a good way to mark all packages installed at X point and roll back to there? i want to build a new asterisk package, but in order to do so i have to install a lot of dev libraries which i don't want to keep |
| 05:46.54 | wolferine | but I am not sure if its *buntu only |
| 05:47.01 | mojo | DavidProck1981: look into gimpshop, gimp with photoshop like interface setup |
| 05:47.11 | Winkie | wolferine: let me know and i'll see? |
| 05:47.20 | wolferine | sorry? |
| 05:47.22 | Vasistha | DavidProck1981: the gimp is not photoshop. it's not designed to imitate photoshop. The interface is quite different. However, outside of professions printing, 99% of home users should be able to use the gimp -- it just takes some getting used to. |
| 05:47.30 | Winkie | wolferine: do you mean an application bug or a packaging issue |
| 05:47.31 | wolferine | do you create packages Winkie ? |
| 05:47.41 | Winkie | wolferine: not usually, but i have apache installed on debian |
| 05:47.44 | wolferine | well, I am not sure |
| 05:47.44 | Winkie | so i can check it out for you |
| 05:47.46 | Vasistha | Winkie: well, use aptitude, and the intelligent auto-mark system |
| 05:47.58 | Winkie | Vasistha: is there a good link for this? |
| 05:48.03 | wolferine | ah, Winkie that wont help in this situation |
| 05:48.12 | Vasistha | Winkie: /usr/share/aptitude/README |
| 05:48.25 | Vasistha | !wayttd wolferine |
| 05:48.25 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, wolferine? |
| 05:48.35 | wolferine | so how can I completely remove a package? |
| 05:48.39 | wolferine | entirely... |
| 05:48.44 | Vasistha | aptitude purge packagename |
| 05:48.58 | wolferine | and what will that leave behind? |
| 05:49.07 | Vasistha | stuff in your home folder |
| 05:49.07 | Winkie | Vasistha: ah it's in the readme? thanks :) |
| 05:49.20 | wolferine | what if I remove apache |
| 05:49.21 | dondelelcaro | everything that belongs to the package should be removed |
| 05:49.29 | wolferine | will it leave my .html/.php files? |
| 05:49.33 | dondelelcaro | wolferine: yes |
| 05:49.37 | wolferine | thus not removing my dir |
| 05:50.02 | Vasistha | wolferine: it shouldn't remove anything that you can't get back by reinstalling |
| 05:50.04 | nhuisman_work | it will delete config files for apache |
| 05:50.16 | nhuisman_work | probably nothing from the html root though |
| 05:50.19 | Vasistha | (although if you've customized a config file in /etc it might remove that) |
| 05:50.22 | wolferine | im more worried about it removing everything it installs |
| 05:50.28 | wolferine | installed* |
| 05:50.29 | DavidProck1981 | so gimpshop has no more features than gimp |
| 05:50.31 | DavidProck1981 | ? |
| 05:50.36 | nhuisman_work | it will remove everything it installed. |
| 05:50.42 | nhuisman_work | with purtge |
| 05:50.43 | nhuisman_work | purge |
| 05:50.45 | Vasistha | DavidProck1981: correct. it just makes the interface more similar to photoshop |
| 05:50.58 | mojo | DavidProck1981: dunno about that... i heard it is gimp with an interface more comfortable to photoshop users |
| 05:50.58 | dondelelcaro | wolferine: anything listed in dpkg -L will be removed, as well as the configuration files, and anything the postrm deletes |
| 05:50.59 | nhuisman_work | DavidProck1981, yeah what Vasistha said. |
| 05:51.06 | wolferine | well, if this goes the same way it did at work, apache will not be entirely removed |
| 05:51.08 | Vasistha | DavidProck1981: read this: http://grimthing.com/archives/2007/01/11/Gimp_vs_Photoshop/ |
| 05:51.15 | wolferine | but ill give it another try |
| 05:51.29 | dondelelcaro | wolferine: if you're just removing 'apache'; you won't have removed the things that apache depends upon |
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| 05:51.48 | nhuisman_work | yeah I was going to say, their are probably libs it keeps |
| 05:51.49 | mojo | DavidProck1981: just curious, but what feature does your wife (is it?) need that gimp doesn't have? |
| 05:51.59 | DavidProck1981 | can gime do stuff like fix red eye |
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| 05:52.08 | wolferine | dondelelcaro, i think you missed the first part of my convo |
| 05:52.08 | dondelelcaro | DavidProck1981: yes |
| 05:52.24 | wolferine | there is an issue with removing apache/reinstalling apache2 |
| 05:52.39 | dondelelcaro | wolferine: you still haven't explained the issue yet; I saw the beginning |
| 05:52.40 | wolferine | and especially getting php to work with it |
| 05:52.44 | DavidProck1981 | what about there the light falsh off the skin is too bright but the rest of the pic is normal |
| 05:52.45 | dondelelcaro | wolferine: cut to the chase already, please. |
| 05:52.51 | wolferine | i just did |
| 05:53.01 | dondelelcaro | wolferine: what about getting php to work with it? |
| 05:53.19 | wolferine | i have what I need atm |
| 05:53.20 | wolferine | thanks |
| 05:53.29 | DavidProck1981 | fixing the skin tone to make the light not look so bright in a spot |
| 05:53.37 | Vasistha | DavidProck1981: just read the link I gave you. does your wife need support of CMYK or PANTONE color spaces for commercial spaces? I didn't think so. |
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| 05:54.59 | shogunx | its got quite a few whiz bang plugins also. |
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| 05:55.53 | Vasistha | DavidProck1981: in fact, you should have your wife read that thing, too. e.g. the "Workflow gripes" section. |
| 05:56.12 | DavidProck1981 | k |
| 05:56.31 | chemaja | just installed flashplugin from non-free, but the sound doesn't work for flash videos. mp3's are playing fine. what gives? |
| 05:56.35 | nhuisman_work | i dunno, you might as well just use photoshop for hardcore graphic design stuff |
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| 05:56.45 | chemaja | doesn't matter which system user i am |
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| 05:56.48 | Vasistha | chemaja: dunno. doesn't work for me, either |
| 05:57.02 | wolferine | how do I check for all my installed packages? |
| 05:57.09 | wolferine | use dpkg ? |
| 05:57.11 | nhuisman_work | dpkg -l |
| 05:57.15 | Vasistha | wolferine: dpkg --get-selections |
| 05:57.21 | chemaja | Vasistha, that's dodgy. I've had this problem on 2 Debian Etch PCs, but another PC it works on (and I can't think what i've done different) |
| 05:57.25 | chemaja | :( |
| 05:57.38 | Vasistha | nhuisman_work: you should read this too: http://grimthing.com/archives/2007/01/11/Gimp_vs_Photoshop/ |
| 05:57.38 | textqq | :( |
| 05:57.52 | textqq | how to set slrn? |
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| 05:57.59 | nhuisman_work | Vasistha, reading. |
| 05:58.02 | Vasistha | chemaja: alsa vs. oss, etc.? |
| 05:58.26 | wolferine | ok, so if I just did a purge to remove all apache, and I dpkg -l | grep apache, and see results, does that mean, I still have apache installed? do I need to restart for changes to take effect? |
| 05:58.32 | textqq | slrn -h news.hinet.net -f /root/.newsrc -create |
| 05:59.09 | Vasistha | wolferine: you generally don't need to restart. And, run dpkg -l 'apache*' and read the first 5 lines to get an idea of what you're looking at. |
| 05:59.09 | nhuisman_work | wolferine, but are the results "ii" |
| 05:59.22 | wolferine | yes |
| 05:59.23 | wolferine | ii |
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| 05:59.37 | nhuisman_work | wolferine, paste to me via pm, just curious what packages are listing. |
| 05:59.38 | dondelelcaro | wolferine: what is the output? and what dpkg command did you run? |
| 05:59.47 | dondelelcaro | better, use a paste site |
| 05:59.56 | nhuisman_work | dondelelcaro, good point. |
| 06:00.28 | nhuisman_work | wolferine, i might try removing each of those packages |
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| 06:00.53 | wolferine | apache-common, apache2-mpm-prefork, apache2-utils, apache2.2-common, libapache-mod-perl, libapache-mod-suphp, libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 06:00.55 | nhuisman_work | wolferine, it's probably the case that removing "apache" doesn't remove all the libs it has dependencies. |
| 06:01.12 | wolferine | ok... |
| 06:01.16 | textqq | Reading startup file /etc/news/slrn.rc.slrn fatal error: |
| 06:01.18 | textqq | Unable to find a valid hostname for constructing your e-mail address. |
| 06:01.18 | textqq | You probably want to specify a hostname in your .slrnrc file. |
| 06:01.18 | textqq | Please see the "slrn reference manual" for full details. |
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| 06:01.34 | wolferine | can you say, pastebin :) |
| 06:01.38 | nhuisman_work | hehe |
| 06:01.47 | nhuisman_work | silly textqq, spam is for kids. |
| 06:03.03 | wolferine | so anyways, im back where I was at work (i had to format that system, as I could not resolve this), i will attempt to remove all these packages |
| 06:03.26 | mojo | gnite all |
| 06:03.28 | wolferine | then, i want to install apache2/php5/mysql |
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| 06:03.38 | wolferine | so what should I do first? |
| 06:03.50 | nhuisman_work | i would just try the first one and see if it complains. |
| 06:03.52 | dondelelcaro | wolferine: just install apache2, php5 and mysql |
| 06:03.59 | wolferine | install all at once, or just do 1) apache 1) php5 3) mysql ? |
| 06:04.12 | nhuisman_work | but upgrading to apache2 will probably just upgrade the libraries and all will work. |
| 06:04.13 | wolferine | apache2* |
| 06:04.21 | nhuisman_work | so i'm not sure why you need to remove them. |
| 06:04.24 | wolferine | no, upgrading will not work |
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| 06:04.57 | nhuisman_work | wolferine, how come? |
| 06:05.04 | dondelelcaro | yes, it will. Just install apache2, php5, and mysql. |
| 06:05.22 | dondelelcaro | there's nothing stoping apache2 and apache from being installed on the machine at the same time |
| 06:05.24 | wolferine | ok, ill ask again, all at once, or each individually? |
| 06:05.29 | dondelelcaro | wolferine: doesn't matter |
| 06:05.43 | wolferine | well, you might find it does in this case |
| 06:05.51 | dondelelcaro | no, it does not |
| 06:05.55 | nhuisman_work | wolferine, I might start with php and mysql |
| 06:06.00 | dondelelcaro | yeesh man; you'd think I'd kind of know what I'm talking about |
| 06:06.23 | wolferine | well, i know what I am talking about, cause at the end of this, it wont be working |
| 06:06.36 | nhuisman_work | aka you tried this at work and it failed? |
| 06:06.41 | dondelelcaro | wolferine: considering the fact that I have exactly that setup installed, I know it works. |
| 06:06.55 | dondelelcaro | wolferine: perhaps you could enlighten us as to what exactly is not working about it? |
| 06:07.07 | wolferine | what does rc (instead of ii) mean in dpkg -l |grep apache ? |
| 06:07.18 | dondelelcaro | wolferine: that means that you've removed it and only configuration files remain |
| 06:07.28 | dondelelcaro | wolferine: the header of dpkg -l apache; explains it |
| 06:07.34 | DavidProck1981 | will the .deb package for ubuntu of gimpshop work on debian? |
| 06:07.38 | nhuisman_work | it mean's its marked to be deleted. |
| 06:07.46 | wolferine | dondelelcaro, did you install apache, then php5, then mysql, remove apache, install apache2, and find that php5 didnt work? |
| 06:07.47 | dondelelcaro | nhuisman_work: no, it means that it has been removed |
| 06:07.54 | nhuisman_work | sorry |
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| 06:08.00 | nhuisman_work | it means it's deleted but the config files are still there right? |
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| 06:08.08 | dondelelcaro | wolferine: no, because I knew enough to install libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 06:08.13 | streuner | !tell DavidProck1981 about bobbitt |
| 06:08.20 | dondelelcaro | nhuisman_work: right |
| 06:08.25 | wolferine | dondelelcaro, so you dont have the same setup |
| 06:08.27 | Paul_123 | I got a quesion about setting up APACHE2. I have apache running, test page comes up internally. I just setup my HW firewall to forwards all HTTP traffic to my internal IP address. I can resolve the webpate by going to the IP from my WIN workstation, however, i cannot resolve the page externally |
| 06:08.33 | wolferine | and your probably not using ubuntu |
| 06:08.43 | dondelelcaro | wolferine: if this is about ubuntu, this is the wrong place to ask. |
| 06:08.44 | DavidProck1981 | lol |
| 06:08.48 | dondelelcaro | wolferine: ask #ubuntu for help |
| 06:09.02 | wolferine | dondelelcaro, i guess your missing my point |
| 06:09.02 | dondelelcaro | or ask on their forums |
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| 06:09.13 | wolferine | you dont have the exact same setup as I do |
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| 06:09.14 | Winkie | hmm, i'm still having issues with installing build dependancies |
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| 06:09.27 | wolferine | sorry, that was rude |
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| 06:09.52 | wolferine | so what does the rc mean in my dpkg -l ? |
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| 06:09.56 | streuner | wolferine: rude is not to read the topic and ignore what we saying |
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| 06:10.10 | dondelelcaro | Winkie: which build dependencies? |
| 06:10.24 | Winkie | i need to build asterisk, but i'd like to automatically remove the build dependancies afterwards, aptitude seems to be able to automate marking packages as auto but i see no way to install the build deps from aptitude :) |
| 06:10.48 | Paul_123 | Need help with apache - My website is not serving externally, just changed my firewall settings to forward HTTP to the server (internal IP) but it doesn't work??? need help |
| 06:10.54 | dondelelcaro | Winkie: I'd actually suggest using pbuilder, but if you don't install the packages using aptitude, it generally will assume that they're automatically installed |
| 06:11.10 | dondelelcaro | Paul_123: does apache work internally? |
| 06:11.43 | Paul_123 | yes |
| 06:11.52 | Paul_123 | it even comes up when i use my ext IP |
| 06:12.07 | DavidProck1981 | will the gimpshop take place over gimp? |
| 06:12.09 | dondelelcaro | Paul_123: um... so what isn't working then? |
| 06:12.12 | Paul_123 | but when using ext connection like anonymouse.org, my site does not resolve (timeout) |
| 06:12.16 | Winkie | dondelelcaro: i don't know much about pbuilder, i'm doing a 'simple sid backport', IE getting the sources from the unstable repository and building on stable |
| 06:12.21 | Winkie | would this be appropriate? |
| 06:12.26 | dondelelcaro | Winkie: yeah, that'll work |
| 06:12.36 | dondelelcaro | Winkie: pbuilder is a little bit overkill for just building one package |
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| 06:12.43 | Winkie | ah i see, it's a chroot |
| 06:12.52 | Winkie | well i suppose i can just debootstrap a chroot and do it in there |
| 06:12.59 | Winkie | i assume that's fine? |
| 06:13.10 | Winkie | there's nothing i need to look out for |
| 06:13.20 | dondelelcaro | yeah, that'd work too |
| 06:13.37 | Winkie | excellent, that's easy enough |
| 06:13.38 | Winkie | thanks |
| 06:13.39 | JosefAssad | Bushmills: did you get that procmail issue fixed? |
| 06:13.39 | dondelelcaro | Winkie: but you should just be able to use apt-get build-dep asterisk; and then run aptitude to remove the automatically installed packages |
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| 06:14.19 | Paul_123 | how do you 'reply' to a user in chat? |
| 06:14.27 | Winkie | dondelelcaro: does aptitude automark packages when they're installed with just 'apt-get'? |
| 06:14.48 | dondelelcaro | Winkie: it has the few times I remember checking |
| 06:14.53 | Winkie | Paul_123: in this chat? you can PM (Private Message) them or just address them personally by prefixing your text with their name followed by a colon or comma etc |
| 06:15.00 | Winkie | dondelelcaro: interesting, is there an easy way to check it? |
| 06:15.33 | Paul_123 | Winkie: ty |
| 06:15.49 | dondelelcaro | Winkie: you can just try it; it wouldn't be too hard too to list the packages that were installed and just aptitude markauto them |
| 06:15.58 | Winkie | Paul_123: exactly like that :) |
| 06:16.10 | SerajewelKS | is there a debian way to change the font on the console permanently? |
| 06:16.15 | Paul_123 | was hoping there was an easier way ;) like /r |
| 06:16.32 | dondelelcaro | Paul_123: for most sane clients, you can just P<tab> (or similar) |
| 06:16.43 | Winkie | dondelelcaro: oh indeed, i have a simple matching script for that, but how can i see which packages are marked as which inside aptitude? |
| 06:16.57 | SerajewelKS | i want to switch to something with more rows |
| 06:17.06 | dondelelcaro | Winkie: aptitude show foopkg; |
| 06:17.18 | Paul_123 | dondelelcaro: apache does work internally - i get the site with my EXT IP address at my win workstation, but not from an external netowrk |
| 06:17.23 | dondelelcaro | Winkie: if you see Automatically installed: yes, you know the drill. |
| 06:17.38 | Winkie | dondelelcaro: ah excellent thanks |
| 06:17.42 | dondelelcaro | Paul_123: can you get to it if you enter the ip address from an external network? |
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| 06:17.54 | Paul_123 | dondelelcaro: no |
| 06:18.31 | dondelelcaro | Paul_123: then either 1) your ISP is filtering packets to port 80 2) you don't have forwarding set up properly on the router |
| 06:18.39 | Paul_123 | dondelelcaro: i think its more of an issue with my FW... but i just setup port forward for HTTP to that internal IP.. am i missing anything |
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| 06:18.56 | Paul_123 | hmm |
| 06:19.01 | Winkie | dondelelcaro: hmm it doesn't appear to be unfortunately |
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| 06:19.10 | Paul_123 | i don't think they block.. but i guess i can try different ports... |
| 06:19.22 | dondelelcaro | Winkie: hrm; yeah, I'd just use markauto |
| 06:19.32 | Paul_123 | does apache only listen on 80? how can i change the port it listens on? |
| 06:19.52 | dondelelcaro | Paul_123: with a Listen directive |
| 06:19.52 | Winkie | dondelelcaro: i'll do what i can, i can probably find a good way to search for -dev :) |
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| 06:20.00 | Winkie | i appreciate the advice |
| 06:20.09 | dondelelcaro | Paul_123: in this case though, you should just be able to change the forwarded port on your router |
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| 06:21.21 | dondelelcaro | Winkie: well, that much is easy: aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i'|grep '-dev$'|xargs aptitude --schedule-only markauto; or similar. |
| 06:21.51 | Paul_123 | dondelelcaro: oh yeah.. duh! |
| 06:21.55 | Paul_123 | ty |
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| 06:22.26 | daqqal | hey guys whats new |
| 06:24.03 | daqqal | i just did a dist-upgrade , how do i tell is i am on etch? can i cat out some file and see? or something in /proc? |
| 06:24.21 | dondelelcaro | daqqal: apt-cache policy libc6; should clue you in |
| 06:24.39 | dondelelcaro | daqqal: as will /etc/debian-version; compare the libc6 output to packages.debian.org/libc6 |
| 06:24.49 | dondelelcaro | s/-/_/ |
| 06:24.59 | daqqal | nice, thanx there dondelelcaro |
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| 06:26.41 | roland | hi |
| 06:27.04 | daqqal | hello roland |
| 06:27.21 | roland | can anyone check on www.assa-electronic.ro(my website) and see what problem i have? its a very slow rendering of images (im running apache 1.3 and debian 4) |
| 06:27.27 | roland | please, if you can just check and see |
| 06:27.33 | roland | with firefox |
| 06:28.15 | Winkie | dondelelcaro: haha thanks for that :) |
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| 06:28.32 | Paul_123 | dondelelcaro: i just setup TCP port 12345 -> 80. Now when connecting with anonymouse.org i get error 111 - connection refused. |
| 06:28.46 | dondelelcaro | Paul_123: anonymouse.org:12345? |
| 06:28.57 | dondelelcaro | roland: your site is just incredibly slow; it's doing 1.4k/s |
| 06:29.06 | nhuisman_work | yeah i noticed the same thing. |
| 06:29.08 | nhuisman_work | dialups? |
| 06:29.14 | \amethyst | roland: that's 3/4 of a megabyte of images |
| 06:29.24 | dondelelcaro | roland: because your images are large (~1M of images on the first page) it's going to take forever |
| 06:29.31 | Paul_123 | anonymouse.org allows you to check a URL externally |
| 06:30.04 | Paul_123 | my IP is 76.94.21.156 |
| 06:30.04 | \amethyst | roland: are those PNGs compressed? |
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| 06:30.05 | roland | im on cable modem 256 kbps |
| 06:30.14 | roland | no dialup |
| 06:30.16 | roland | hmm |
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| 06:31.03 | gortba | Hi. Can someone tell me the command to create a compressed copy of my /home directory? |
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| 06:31.07 | roland | hmm |
| 06:31.13 | roland | what images are that large |
| 06:31.20 | roland | 1 mb of images on first page shouldnt be a problem to load ? |
| 06:31.29 | streuner | gortba: How large is /home? |
| 06:31.36 | roland | all my bw is dedicated to web serving |
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| 06:31.41 | dondelelcaro | Paul_123: uh... that machine isn't up |
| 06:32.05 | dondelelcaro | (or if it is, 80 and 12345 are filtered and are not responding to SYN requests) |
| 06:32.06 | daqqal | gortba: tar -cvzf home.tar.gz /home |
| 06:32.24 | dondelelcaro | roland: it'll be a problem to load if it's doing it at 1k/s |
| 06:32.36 | \amethyst | roland: homepage_content_display.PNG was 177KB and took 23.87s to fetch |
| 06:32.43 | streuner | gortba: /msg dpkg tar |
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| 06:32.45 | dondelelcaro | roland: even at 128k/s, it'll take a few seconds |
| 06:32.46 | Paul_123 | dondelelcaro- SYN request? |
| 06:32.56 | dondelelcaro | Paul_123: yes |
| 06:32.56 | \amethyst | roland: linux_logo_2.PNG is 194KB and took 29.1s |
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| 06:33.22 | taime1 | i installed a font and refreshed the font cache, and even after rebooting, openoffice cannot see that font, can someone tell me why? |
| 06:33.27 | \amethyst | roland: of course there were a lot of things loading in parallel |
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| 06:33.47 | Paul_123 | dondelelcaro- what is that? I'm trying to think of a way to test this out... i mean i should be able to route the traffic to the apache box... i know i can reach my Win workstation by RDP |
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| 06:34.34 | roland | \amethyst: that took so much to load because not the image is large, but a problem with the internet connection somewhere here |
| 06:34.41 | roland | many sites have even larger images |
| 06:34.41 | tenzind | hi .. is there a utility to extract files from a .chm file or convert it to say pdf? |
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| 06:35.43 | fireba11 | tenzind : a .chm contains html pages anyway ... you only need to find a way to extract it |
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| 06:35.56 | streuner | tenzind: if xchm is able to print, you could use cups-pdf |
| 06:35.58 | drako | roland, ur crazy if you think you shouldnt have a problem having a 1mb image on ur website |
| 06:36.00 | dondelelcaro | Paul_123: it's part of a TCP connection; in any event, are you sure that you have your external IP right? |
| 06:36.04 | Paul_123 | dondelelcaro- do i need any other protocols other than TCP? |
| 06:36.14 | Paul_123 | let me doublecheck |
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| 06:37.35 | streuner | tenzind: if you would have a pdf its easy to 'handle' it with the gimp... |
| 06:37.56 | Paul_123 | dondelelcaro- 72.94.21.156 is the correct one... :o |
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| 06:38.19 | drako | roland, you have 2 simple problems, first get a web _designer_, second, get more upload bandwidth speed. |
| 06:38.41 | dondelelcaro | Paul_123: port 80 is filtered, and 12345 is closed |
| 06:38.49 | \amethyst | roland: if I fetch the file with wget it takes no time... but with 20 or 30 images being fetched in parallel... |
| 06:39.01 | dondelelcaro | Paul_123: so your ISP is filtering connections to port 80, and you just haven't set up the forwarding right for 12345 |
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| 06:39.12 | Paul_123 | those bastards! |
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| 06:39.22 | taime1 | i installed a font and refreshed the font cache, and even after rebooting, openoffice cannot see that font, can someone tell me why? |
| 06:39.41 | Paul_123 | is there any workaround for that? |
| 06:39.44 | streuner | installed? ttf? |
| 06:39.47 | r4nge | does this mean the /var/run is on it's own paritition? |
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| 06:40.02 | r4nge | /dev/hda1 11914772 684468 10625060 7% / |
| 06:40.02 | r4nge | varrun 128020 40 127980 1% /var/run |
| 06:40.03 | tenzind | streuner: gimp can open .chm files? |
| 06:40.15 | streuner | tenzind: gimp can open pdf files |
| 06:40.34 | streuner | just make a pdf out of it :-) |
| 06:40.52 | tenzind | streuner: hmm .. i didnt get you :) |
| 06:41.05 | karsten | r4nge: mount | grep 'var' |
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| 06:41.27 | karsten | r4nge: Will tell you. Looks like it though. |
| 06:42.03 | karsten | Paul_123: Yeah. Get a different ISP. |
| 06:42.04 | Paul_123 | dondelelcaro- dang.. lol i did have a typo in the FW settings, but its still not working.. I basically have TCP 12345 -> 80 |
| 06:42.06 | streuner | taime1: what kind of font? ttf? |
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| 06:42.26 | karsten | Paul_123: You can run your webserver at a different port but it's hell to deal with that longterm. |
| 06:42.30 | Paul_123 | karsten - my friend has verizon FIOS nearby and he hosts... |
| 06:42.32 | r4nge | karsten, k, i guess the distro does that on it's own |
| 06:42.42 | taime1 | streuner: yoiu know, i just removed it and reinstalled it and that did the trick, but thanks |
| 06:42.49 | karsten | r4nge: Not if you're running debian. |
| 06:43.00 | karsten | r4nge: It partitions as you request it to. Default is just root + swap. |
| 06:43.09 | karsten | r4nge: Mind: I don't generally do defaults. |
| 06:43.18 | Paul_123 | i guess i'm just trying to get a site up period.. don't care about ports cause its just for learning |
| 06:43.26 | roland | drako, whats wrong with the site design (besides images are too large) and fonts are a bit unclean |
| 06:43.35 | r4nge | karsten, so when you "df" you dont see any of that? |
| 06:43.38 | karsten | roland: What others have said: way too many fat images. |
| 06:43.42 | \amethyst | roland: one thing to consider... how are the search engines going to be able to find your site? There's no text at all on your page |
| 06:43.44 | drako | roland, that you cannot call it a webpage. |
| 06:43.51 | r4nge | varrun, varlock, udev |
| 06:43.58 | karsten | r4nge: df isn't necessarially showing you what's mounted where, though that seems to vary a bit. |
| 06:44.02 | tenzind | fireba11: is .chm file something like a zip/rar archive? |
| 06:44.07 | dondelelcaro | Paul_123: well, that port is still closed |
| 06:44.15 | drako | roland, you should learn html, css, etc. |
| 06:44.23 | roland | yeah... |
| 06:44.24 | Paul_123 | i'm gonna try another one |
| 06:44.27 | \amethyst | It's a little ironic that it was created in MS Office but recommends Firefox for best visualization |
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| 06:44.53 | r4nge | karsten, well fdisk -l shows my hda1 and swap, that's it |
| 06:44.56 | streuner | !chm |
| 06:44.56 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, chm is to extract Compressed HTML files (MS Windows HtmlHell Data) use the chmLib (and its example programs to be found at http://66.93.236.84/~jedwin/projects/chmlib/) or use xchm |
| 06:45.02 | Paul_123 | dondelelcaro - how do you test the port connection? telnet IP port# ? |
| 06:45.03 | dondelelcaro | Paul_123: so it's most likely your router configuration that is broken. You'll have to refer to your router's documentation to fix it; it really isn't something that we can support here |
| 06:45.05 | drako | tenzind, i think you can export it to a .ps file |
| 06:45.19 | dondelelcaro | Paul_123: in this case I'm using nmap -sS -P0 -p 80,12345 |
| 06:45.38 | drako | tenzind, with xchm |
| 06:45.48 | drako | lol dpkg got it already. |
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| 06:46.51 | Paul_123 | dondelelcaro - thanx, i realize that... is it possible that they're blocking my outbound? i mean, when apache serves it back, its over the 'new' port (12345) right? |
| 06:48.11 | drako | roland, seriously, hire a web designer for that job if you're serious on selling/promoting your store on the web |
| 06:49.17 | \amethyst | roland: what's your monthly bandwidth restriction? |
| 06:49.27 | dondelelcaro | Paul_123: no, because it'd appear to be filtered then |
| 06:49.46 | dondelelcaro | Paul_123: your machine is able to respond that port 12345 is closed |
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| 06:52.07 | Yetiamchosen | Urrrghh.... long... compile... times... >.< |
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| 06:53.03 | krinns | hi all |
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| 07:06.01 | r4nge | if i were to just want to install debian for server duties should i get the minimal install? seems like a bit much to grab 3 dvds when i wont be installing gnome, etc |
| 07:06.18 | sep | r4nge, use the netinstall |
| 07:06.28 | dondelelcaro | r4nge: if you've got a reasonable network connection, just use the netinstall for everything. |
| 07:06.40 | sep | r4nge, the dvd's are realy only for those that install on machines that have no network |
| 07:06.49 | sep | (imho) |
| 07:07.41 | r4nge | any way i can see what's in the minimal install |
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| 07:08.46 | roland | can anyone tell me whats happening ? i deleted all my html and content from my site, i stoped apache and when i enter www.assa-electronic.ro the site is still there serving pages even with no apache |
| 07:09.11 | donaldo | roland: where is your server located? it may be behind a squid server |
| 07:09.19 | donaldo | roland: alternatively, your web browser may be using its cache |
| 07:09.23 | roland | in my lan there is no squid server |
| 07:09.28 | roland | can you check ? |
| 07:09.32 | roland | and see if the site is running |
| 07:10.45 | donaldo | roland: where is .ro? name lookup is taking forever |
| 07:10.59 | donaldo | roland: is .ro for roland? are you your own TLD? lol |
| 07:11.01 | fireba11 | roland : i get no answer from there .. you got a proxy somewhere it seems |
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| 07:11.41 | roland | donaldo, heh i wish |
| 07:11.49 | roland | .ro is for .(ro)mania |
| 07:12.04 | donaldo | roland: bah.. i'm retarded for not realizing |
| 07:12.34 | donaldo | roland: well, fyi, name lookup FAILED. some info for you if this becomes a recurring problem: i live in northeast USA and my ISP is Verizon DSL |
| 07:12.44 | donaldo | roland: i can give you my nameserver addresses if you want |
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| 07:13.21 | roland | it failed because i forgot to /etc/init.d/bind9 start |
| 07:13.23 | roland | :) |
| 07:13.25 | dimir | Moin! |
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| 07:18.43 | roland | can anyone tell me what does it take to make a site like www.webmin.com |
| 07:18.53 | roland | html,css,javascript? |
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| 07:19.15 | roland | what did they use first, to make the nice graphics and fonts |
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| 07:20.49 | wols_ | athe graphics are most probably CSS |
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| 07:22.42 | roland | how do i find out what ports are open |
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| 07:24.03 | \amethyst | roland: netstat -ltup |
| 07:24.47 | roland | tcp 0 0 *:imap2 *:* LISTEN 2026 |
| 07:24.51 | roland | whats the port here? |
| 07:24.57 | \amethyst | roland: imap2 |
| 07:25.04 | wols_ | imap mailserver |
| 07:25.12 | roland | yes but port number? i need to allow port forwarding in the router |
| 07:25.14 | roland | so smtp/imap work |
| 07:25.23 | wols_ | grep imap2 /etc/services |
| 07:25.26 | roland | ah |
| 07:25.27 | roland | right |
| 07:25.29 | \amethyst | roland: look it up in /etc/services, or add -n for numeric output |
| 07:25.34 | wols_ | 143 normally |
| 07:25.53 | roland | 25 & 143 |
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| 07:33.47 | Paul_123 | dondelelcaro - ok, i read through the manual for the firewall.. everything 'seems' to be set OK. I changed the port range.. 72.94.21.156:4444 should now be going to my web server |
| 07:33.52 | Paul_123 | can you tell me if that's open? |
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| 07:36.44 | Bushmills | roland, http://forthfreak.net/rfc ist ein script der ganz prima geeignet ist zum suchen nach so sachen. suht durch rfcs und port listing. |
| 07:37.00 | Bushmills | z.b. rfc -n imap |
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| 07:37.13 | wols_ | !de |
| 07:37.13 | dpkg | de is, like, deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 07:37.26 | Bushmills | oh |
| 07:37.31 | Bushmills | need coffee first |
| 07:37.35 | Bushmills | what was i thinking |
| 07:37.37 | Bushmills | sorry |
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| 07:41.58 | Paul_123 | OK.. i'm stumped.. anyone still awake? I got my router setup to forward ports.. works fine for RDP, but not for HTTP |
| 07:42.56 | wols_ | a) not enough info b) how is this a debian problem? |
| 07:43.08 | roland | http://www.pastebin.ca/499804 |
| 07:43.08 | roland | pls |
| 07:43.56 | Paul_123 | wols_ well, i've been working on a debian box... trying to get it apache to work.. |
| 07:44.10 | wols_ | roland: postconf -n |
| 07:44.30 | wols_ | Paul_123: does apach work locallly? (lynx http://localhost) |
| 07:44.49 | Paul_123 | wols_ yeah, it works on the internal and external IP |
| 07:44.53 | Paul_123 | ON my workstation |
| 07:45.05 | wols_ | your workstation i debian? |
| 07:45.08 | Paul_123 | but using EXT IP and testing from outside, it does not |
| 07:45.08 | wols_ | *is |
| 07:45.11 | Paul_123 | no my workstation is windows |
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| 07:45.24 | wols_ | so how do we care? ask ##windows |
| 07:45.40 | Paul_123 | its not a windows issue, its a networking issue i guess... |
| 07:45.51 | wols_ | whatever. it is no debian issue |
| 07:45.51 | Paul_123 | i'm not able to get through the firewall for some odd reason.. |
| 07:46.05 | Paul_123 | not specifically no |
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| 07:46.14 | wols_ | Paul_123: hint: you cannot check ext IP from inside your LAN |
| 07:46.15 | Paul_123 | but it has evolved |
| 07:46.26 | Paul_123 | you can.. i'm using an external website |
| 07:46.32 | Paul_123 | anonymouse.org |
| 07:46.36 | wols_ | well, we don't really care. either you run debian or you don't. you don't |
| 07:46.45 | roland | wols_ : http://www.pastebin.ca/499810 |
| 07:46.51 | Paul_123 | i do, why are you being rude? |
| 07:47.29 | wols_ | roland: add assa-electronic.ro to your mysestination line |
| 07:47.48 | wols_ | Paul_123: cause you ask us for help on a non debian problem. repatedly |
| 07:48.18 | wols_ | and this channel is not for non debian problems. IF and only if you run apache on debian, then we can help. if not: ask the router maker or windows channels |
| 07:48.28 | roland | wols_ : ok in what file |
| 07:48.39 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:48.47 | Paul_123 | look man, i've been working on this debian box for a while, i'm learning linux etc.. i'm trying to solve a problem, and i just happen to be using this IRC room |
| 07:49.00 | wols_ | and change your myhostname to something sensible |
| 07:49.19 | wols_ | Paul_123:what is the name of this channel? |
| 07:49.20 | roland | wols_ : can myhostname be fqdn? |
| 07:49.33 | Paul_123 | and yes i AM running apache and debian... |
| 07:49.35 | wols_ | roland: yes. I'd suggest assa-electronic.ro again |
| 07:49.44 | wols_ | Paul_123: then you lied to us before |
| 07:49.47 | Paul_123 | THAT'S WHY I'M HERE |
| 07:49.55 | roland | myhostname = assa-electronic.ro |
| 07:49.57 | roland | ok |
| 07:50.58 | Paul_123 | what i'm having a problem with is a network issue |
| 07:51.07 | Paul_123 | i'm not a networking guru |
| 07:51.22 | wols_ | this channel is for debian issues |
| 07:51.44 | Paul_123 | geez... |
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| 07:52.44 | Paul_123 | i'm running apache on DEBIAN - and i'm having issues with it |
| 07:53.01 | Paul_123 | i'm hoping that someone's experience may be insightful to my problem |
| 07:53.08 | Paul_123 | and nudge me in the right direction |
| 07:53.15 | wols_ | since apache works everywhere inside your LAN you have router issues |
| 07:53.39 | roland | wols_ : http://www.pastebin.ca/499821 <- good ? |
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| 07:53.40 | wols_ | on which public IP is that apache supposed to run? |
| 07:53.47 | Paul_123 | yes, correct |
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| 07:53.50 | \amethyst | Paul_123: and you haven't even told us what router/firewal you use, or what its settings are |
| 07:53.55 | Paul_123 | 72.94.21.156:4444 |
| 07:54.36 | wols_ | Paul_123: apache runs on port 80. did you port forward to port 80 on your debin or to 4444? |
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| 07:54.57 | wols_ | roland: you are missing a comma , |
| 07:55.00 | Paul_123 | \amethyst - i'm using an Actiontec router. I set port 4444 to forward to my internal IP at port 80 |
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| 07:55.08 | wols_ | roland: carefully look at the other mydestitnation entries |
| 07:55.29 | Paul_123 | that internal IP is my debian box running apache |
| 07:55.52 | wols_ | Paul_123: iptables -L |
| 07:56.07 | Paul_123 | what puzzles me is that i set up port forwarding for RDP which worked fine... i didn't setup IPtables |
| 07:56.32 | wols_ | then your router setup is wrong |
| 07:57.13 | Bushmills | Paul_123: you may want to tcpdump your apache box, to determine whether it is a router or a webserver/firewall issue |
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| 07:57.14 | Paul_123 | so i'm not missing anything obvious outside the router? |
| 07:57.25 | \amethyst | Paul_123: so what, exactly, are the differences between the working entry and the not-working one in your router's tables? |
| 07:57.29 | wols_ | Paul_123: not if you can access your webservre from any machine inside your LAN |
| 07:57.37 | Bushmills | if the packets arrive there, it is proably not a route problem. |
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| 07:57.44 | \amethyst | Paul_123: are they both being forwarded to the same machine, for example? |
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| 07:58.13 | Paul_123 | \amethyst - well, the RDP settings just forward a port to ->3389 on my win box |
| 07:58.19 | Zemus | I'm having trouble with pidgin on debian. I just compiled it from source, and that's the first time I've ever done that in linux. So I'm feeling good about it. I can message friends, but I can't add friends, and I can't add msn as an account. This is what happens when I try. |
| 07:58.20 | Zemus | "SSL support is needed for MSN. Please install a supported SSL library." |
| 07:58.31 | Paul_123 | the apache settings forward 4444 -> 80 on the linux box... |
| 07:58.44 | Zemus | I've installed libssl-dev, and openssl was already on there. Does anyone know what the problem might be, and how to fix it? |
| 07:58.44 | \amethyst | Paul_123: are you sure rdp is working? |
| 07:59.02 | wols_ | Zemus: install libssl-dev and compile it again. make sure the ./configure script finds libssl |
| 07:59.12 | Zemus | wols_, I did... :< |
| 07:59.25 | wols_ | Zemus: did you actually check if configure will find and use it? |
| 07:59.33 | Zemus | I installed it, then reran ./configure, make clean, make, then make install. |
| 07:59.40 | wols_ | or maybe check if chonfigure needs a special parameter to actually use libssl? |
| 07:59.41 | Paul_123 | \amethyst well, i had it working earlier when i tried 3389 -> 3389 |
| 07:59.59 | Paul_123 | since then i changed the incoming port to something differnt |
| 08:00.00 | wols_ | Paul_123: 3389 doesn't answer now when I try tho |
| 08:00.03 | Zemus | wols_, I'm not sure to check to see if it found and used it, nor am I sure how to add a parameter to use it. Wanna show me? :) |
| 08:00.08 | Paul_123 | try 4200 |
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| 08:00.15 | wols_ | zamuro: ./configure --help |
| 08:00.25 | wols_ | zamuro: and: grep -i ssl configure.log |
| 08:00.26 | Bushmills | wols_: won't pidgin bind dynamically to libssl? |
| 08:00.30 | Paul_123 | i have RDP on 4200 now |
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| 08:01.01 | wols_ | Paul_123: no connection either |
| 08:01.19 | wols_ | Bushmills: no clue but it has to have support compiled in for it to work |
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| 08:01.44 | Paul_123 | wols_ thanks! ok.. that narrows it down |
| 08:01.59 | wols_ | !tell zamuro about simple sid backport |
| 08:02.05 | Bushmills | Zemus: what does dpkg -l | grep libssl give you? |
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| 08:02.06 | wols_ | zamuro: sid has pidgin 2.0 |
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| 08:02.44 | Zemus | wols_, dude did you just call me 'zamuro'? |
| 08:02.51 | Zemus | Bushmills, I don't know, one moment and I'll tell you. |
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| 08:03.20 | Zemus | Bushmills, may I briefly pm you with the results? I don't want to spam the channel. :P |
| 08:03.34 | Bushmills | Zemus: go ahead |
| 08:03.40 | Zemus | Bushmills, thank you. :) |
| 08:04.00 | cydork | bahh is pdo down? can anyone reach it? |
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| 08:04.12 | Paul_123 | wols_ can you try it now? |
| 08:04.29 | roland | wols_ : whatever im missing , email works fine both incoming and outgoing |
| 08:04.35 | roland | im satisfied |
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| 08:05.45 | wols_ | roland: why missing if it now works? |
| 08:05.54 | roland | where can i find some free squirrelmail themes ? |
| 08:06.07 | roland | that actually change the look |
| 08:06.16 | cydork | nope. it's not down, it's just too slow |
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| 08:08.05 | wols_ | roland: looked at roundcube? |
| 08:08.24 | roland | looking now |
| 08:08.42 | wols_ | squirrelmail has more plugins available tho |
| 08:08.54 | wols_ | and has lower reqs |
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| 08:09.21 | Paul_123 | wols_ can you try again plz? |
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| 08:09.41 | wols_ | Paul_123: telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection timed out |
| 08:10.09 | Paul_123 | on port 4200? dang... |
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| 08:10.41 | Rebecca | hey people. im having a little trouble getting a USB wifi module working. i have wireless-tools installed.. but it doesn't show up in ifconfig or iwconfig |
| 08:10.59 | anigel | Hi ! Please, anyone with good knowledge of pam here ? |
| 08:11.07 | Greyscale | Yo. How do I list files installed by a package? |
| 08:11.19 | Bushmills | Greyscale: dpkg -L |
| 08:11.19 | anigel | Greyscale: dpkg -L your_package |
| 08:11.20 | wols_ | Rebecca: do you have the proper dirver loaded and it works? |
| 08:11.24 | Greyscale | THANKYOU |
| 08:11.25 | Paul_123 | anigel - a little, what's up? |
| 08:11.26 | Rebecca | the wifi module works with ubuntu feisty. am i missing any packages or doing anything wrong? |
| 08:11.35 | Greyscale | god, the people in the other #debian are worthless >.< |
| 08:11.47 | Rebecca | wols_: good question. ill see if i can find the driver ubuntu loads |
| 08:12.01 | wols_ | Rebecca: ifconfig -a, lsmod, cat /var/log/kern.log |
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| 08:12.28 | wols_ | Greyscale: if you mean on oftc, they are the same people as here. just less people |
| 08:12.37 | Greyscale | o.O |
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| 08:12.40 | test_ | how to remove the Language and Session buttons in gdm login screen |
| 08:12.45 | Greyscale | Why 2 channels on 2 networks? |
| 08:12.45 | anigel | Paul_123: I am trying to limit logins on some of my machines. My auth backend is a huge LDAP, and I just want to forbid login to users who do not own a valid homedir on my systems. In login.defs, I tried to set DEFAULT_HOME to "no", but it seems it is just ignored |
| 08:12.55 | wols_ | Greyscale: historical reasons |
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| 08:13.04 | cydork | Rebecca: which usb dongle are you using? |
| 08:13.24 | Rebecca | cydork: ZyDAS |
| 08:13.32 | wols_ | Rebecca: run lsusb |
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| 08:14.09 | cydork | Rebecca: are you sure it works with linux natively? |
| 08:14.11 | Rebecca | Bus 001 Device 033: ID 0ace:1215 ZyDAS |
| 08:14.26 | Rebecca | cydork: i used it with feisty |
| 08:14.40 | Paul_123 | anigel - oh wait.. i'm sorry, i forgot we use PAM on windows machines... we use 3ware on linux.. so i haven't messed with PAM on linux :( |
| 08:14.48 | cydork | Rebecca: feisty uses lot of crap to make things work afaik :P |
| 08:15.05 | wols_ | cydork: http://zd1211.wiki.sourceforge.net/ |
| 08:15.27 | anigel | Paul_123: ok, np ;) |
| 08:15.33 | Rebecca | cydork: well then i need said crap on my deb setup |
| 08:15.34 | Greyscale | <wols_> Greyscale: historical reasons <-- I read that as "Legacy reasons" :P |
| 08:15.38 | Paul_123 | ALRIGHT! i got this stupid firewall tamed now... chekk it! 72.94.21.156 |
| 08:15.39 | cydork | wols_: aah ok i thought it's one of those damnned dongles which needs ndiswrapper. |
| 08:15.59 | Rebecca | wols_: rad, thanks :) |
| 08:16.12 | Paul_123 | well on a non 80 port |
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| 08:17.01 | Sebboh | Why doesn't bc 10/3 produce the output I'd expect, and how can I make it produce what I expect? 10.0/3.0 doesn't do what I want, either. |
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| 08:17.47 | \amethyst | Sebboh: what do you expect? 3.33333? |
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| 08:18.51 | Peo | hi everyone |
| 08:19.00 | Paul_123 | wols_ hehe - check it out 72.94.21.156:4444 |
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| 08:19.16 | Peo | suddenly MySQL wont' start, this is what i get http://pastebin.ca/499841 |
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| 08:19.25 | Sebboh | \amethyst: yep |
| 08:19.37 | \amethyst | Sebboh: try scale=5 |
| 08:20.20 | \amethyst | Sebboh: on a line by itself before the expression |
| 08:20.37 | wols_ | Peo: what are you doing exactly? |
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| 08:20.48 | \amethyst | Sebboh: or even scale=6; 10/3 |
| 08:21.01 | Peo | wols_: /etc/init.d/mysql start |
| 08:21.21 | Peo | wols_: i'm on debian SArge, btw |
| 08:21.25 | Rebecca | wols_: any idea how i get the driver working? |
| 08:21.30 | Sebboh | \amethyst: thanks. eew, it looks like the only way to make that behavior default is to use an environment variable.. |
| 08:21.38 | wols_ | roland: download it, compile it |
| 08:22.02 | wols_ | Rebecca: apt-cache search zydas |
| 08:22.19 | wols_ | !tell roland about m-a |
| 08:22.32 | wols_ | tell Rebecca about m-a |
| 08:22.33 | Paul_123 | Peo - /etc/init.d/mysql status |
| 08:22.38 | Sebboh | !tell Rebecca about m-a |
| 08:22.45 | Sebboh | wols_: =P |
| 08:22.52 | Sebboh | third time's the charm |
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| 08:23.00 | wols_ | ;) |
| 08:23.10 | Peo | Paul_123: MySQL is stopped.. |
| 08:23.10 | Paul_123 | Peo ps aux | grep mysql - are there any instances running? |
| 08:23.21 | \amethyst | Sebboh: set BC_ENV_ARGS to .bcrc or something and put startup commands like that there |
| 08:23.22 | Rebecca | wols_: ok :) |
| 08:23.29 | \amethyst | Sebboh: but I guess that's what you were talking about |
| 08:23.36 | Sebboh | \amethyst: yes, yes it is. ;) |
| 08:24.06 | Paul_123 | peo - what user are you now ? (whoami) |
| 08:24.09 | Sebboh | Paul_123: there is a mysql control program thingy that is the "right" way to tell if mysqld is running. |
| 08:24.19 | Peo | Paul_123: root |
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| 08:24.52 | Paul_123 | Sebboh what is it? |
| 08:25.18 | wols_ | Peo: ls -al /etc/rc2.d/*mysql* |
| 08:25.41 | Peo | wovz6:/etc/mysql# ls -al /etc/rc2.d/*mysql* |
| 08:25.41 | Peo | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 23 May 7 07:32 /etc/rc2.d/S17mysql-ndb-mgm -> ../init.d/mysql-ndb-mgm |
| 08:25.42 | Peo | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 May 7 07:32 /etc/rc2.d/S18mysql-ndb -> ../init.d/mysql-ndb |
| 08:25.42 | Peo | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 May 7 07:32 /etc/rc2.d/S19mysql -> ../init.d/mysql |
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| 08:25.48 | Peo | ops |
| 08:25.57 | Peo | how do i paste? |
| 08:26.05 | Sebboh | Peo, Paul_123, since the pastebin shows the init.d script failing, but not saying why, I'd recommend checking /var/log/ for more information. |
| 08:26.09 | \amethyst | Sebboh: if you used dc it would be just echo 6k >> .dcrc :0 |
| 08:26.09 | wols_ | then maybe you should start mysql the ways it's started on system bootup |
| 08:26.29 | Peo | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 23 May 7 07:32 /etc/rc2.d/S17mysql-ndb-mgm -> ../init.d/mysql-ndb-mgm |
| 08:26.29 | Peo | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 May 7 07:32 /etc/rc2.d/S18mysql-ndb -> ../init.d/mysql-ndb |
| 08:26.30 | Peo | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 May 7 07:32 /etc/rc2.d/S19mysql -> ../init.d/mysql |
| 08:26.38 | wols_ | Peo: stop that shit! |
| 08:26.42 | wols_ | !topicsmite Peo |
| 08:26.43 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon Peo. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 08:27.13 | Sebboh | \amethyst: if debian hadn't switched to a new bc it would a) be default behavior, or b) just be a frontend to dc, so I could still just use .dcrc =)) |
| 08:27.19 | Peo | wols_: sorry |
| 08:27.25 | Peo | wols_: http://paste.debian.net/28441 |
| 08:27.48 | xored | i cannot connect to my smtp port of my debian box out of the university. the university is not blocking an ports. How would i debug this on the box ? |
| 08:27.49 | wols_ | so start mysql the way it's supposed to as you can see |
| 08:28.06 | wols_ | xored: you should know that we need more info |
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| 08:28.24 | wols_ | first steps: netstat -anp |grep 25, telnet localhsot 25, etc |
| 08:28.32 | roland | wols_ , i didnt ask anything |
| 08:28.37 | roland | i recieved dpkg message |
| 08:28.52 | xored | wols_: ok. i can connect to other servers smtp like gmx.de with : telent gmx.de 25 etc |
| 08:28.54 | wols_ | roland: I know. you and Rebecca start with the same letter |
| 08:29.00 | Sebboh | xored: does the port get rejected, or time out? (the difference between smtp not running vs silly firewall "filtering" the port.) |
| 08:29.08 | Rebecca | qhehe |
| 08:29.16 | tenzind | hi how can i configure Debian not to start the graphical interface automatically? |
| 08:29.19 | xored | wols_: if i try the same with my own server, its not wokring. Its working from anywere( home other places) except the university |
| 08:29.27 | wols_ | tenzind: yes |
| 08:29.36 | Sebboh | tenzind: A better question is how you configured it to start a gui automatically! |
| 08:29.43 | xored | Sebboh: iam getting a "trying IP ..." thats all |
| 08:29.47 | wols_ | tenzind: /etc/rc2.d/S99*. one of them will start a DM |
| 08:29.50 | wols_ | !nodm |
| 08:29.51 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 08:29.51 | xored | Sebboh: never an answer |
| 08:30.20 | wols_ | xored: do my first steps |
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| 08:30.24 | Peo | wols_: i don't understand |
| 08:30.29 | Sebboh | dm |
| 08:30.41 | wols_ | Peo: mysql isn't started with only one init script but 3 |
| 08:30.58 | xored | wols_: your first steps. Cant see your post up there, sorry, did i miss it ? |
| 08:31.05 | Peo | wols_: debian should do ti automatically |
| 08:31.11 | wols_ | 10:28 < wols_> first steps: netstat -anp |grep 25, telnet localhsot 25, etc |
| 08:31.17 | xored | ok sorry |
| 08:31.28 | Sebboh | anywho back to work. thanks all. Thanks \amethyst |
| 08:31.40 | wols_ | Peo: should do what? automatically start /etc/rc2.d/S19mysql-ndb-mgm beacuse it thinks you want it to |
| 08:31.43 | wols_ | ? |
| 08:32.19 | Peo | wols_: i mean that mysql started without any prob, today has stopped working |
| 08:32.19 | xored | wols_: do you need the output ? there are a lot of open connections, because of my customers which might access the box right now to ( on smpt |
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| 08:32.36 | tenzind | wols_, i actually have gnome on my debian box but i want it *not* to start it |
| 08:32.54 | wols_ | tenzind: I already told you what to do |
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| 08:33.18 | wols_ | xored: I don't, as long as you are capable of interpreting the output yourself |
| 08:33.39 | wols_ | xored: and you still haven't told us enough info by far |
| 08:33.51 | xored | wols_: iam trying. |
| 08:33.56 | tenzind | wols_: ohh.. sorry i didnt see your reply .. thanks :) |
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| 08:34.40 | xored | wols_: netstat -anp |grep 25 | grep 132.230.129.88 thats what iam tried on the box while telnetting the smtp port..i grepped fo the ip. I did not get any lines...so iam not able to connect at all ? |
| 08:35.03 | wols_ | xored: do what I told you to and not what you think you should do please |
| 08:35.17 | wols_ | xored: and give us more info about the network setup, |
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| 08:35.56 | wols_ | since you said you don#t get a connection, of course you won't get any result when you do a | grep 132.230.129.88... |
| 08:36.12 | xored | wols_: did your steps. i post the output. Networks setup on the box is simple. one ethernet card, eth0, extern to the "internet" nothing more, no bridges or anything. firewall is deactivated right now. |
| 08:36.17 | wols_ | the wwy it looks right now you misconfigured your router |
| 08:37.04 | xored | wols_: iam in the universit right now..its not my "router"...and if it would be an university setup problem, i would not be able to connect to ther servers smtp, or ? |
| 08:37.05 | wols_ | is something listening on port 25? |
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| 08:37.31 | xored | wols_: i can connect to the 25 port at home / other places on that box without a problem, all my customers can. |
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| 08:37.39 | wols_ | xored: wrong. uni smtp and your smtp have nothing to do with each other. it's trivial to allow one but not the other |
| 08:37.49 | foo | Gah, just saw this in the logs, kernel: megaraid: aborting-7286644 cmd=28 <c=1 t=0 l=0> ... the LSI Logic MegaRAID controller ... gah. |
| 08:37.58 | Peo | wols_: i started those scripts manually, nothing changed :( |
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| 08:38.24 | wols_ | Peo: /sbin/init 2 |
| 08:38.44 | Peo | wols_: done |
| 08:38.46 | xored | wols_: sec iam confused. I can connect to my-server-smtp from home / other ISP connections. When iam at the uni, i cant. But when iam at the uni, i cant connect to ther SMTP server like gmx,de, freemail and so on |
| 08:38.49 | wols_ | no mysql? |
| 08:39.15 | wols_ | "their SMTP server" is not gmx.de |
| 08:39.19 | \amethyst | xored: perhaps the university has blocked all outgoing smtp connections from their network? |
| 08:39.20 | xored | wols_: sorry : "i cant connect to ther SMTP server like gmx,de, freemail and so on" should be "CAN connect to ther SMTP server like gmx,de, freemail and so on" |
| 08:39.27 | \amethyst | xored: ah |
| 08:39.50 | wols_ | xored: can you connect to other ports on your home box from the uni? |
| 08:39.56 | xored | \amethyst: thats what i thought frist, beside i asked the network admin and he said they are blocking nothing, i cant connect to other servers smtp |
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| 08:40.12 | xored | wols_: its not my "home box" |
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| 08:40.23 | wols_ | xored: and does your box have an actual public IP on their interface? |
| 08:40.25 | xored | wols_: its an server-center box. |
| 08:40.33 | xored | wols_: yes |
| 08:40.38 | Peo | wols_: http://paste.debian.net/28442 |
| 08:40.48 | xored | wols_: the box is NOT behind a router |
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| 08:41.05 | xored | wols_: its eth adress is its public adress. Its nothing with routing |
| 08:41.30 | wols_ | Peo: # |
| 08:41.31 | wols_ | Peo: vz6:/etc/mysql# /etc/init.d/mysql start |
| 08:41.31 | wols_ | # |
| 08:41.46 | wols_ | that shows it started fine |
| 08:42.08 | Sebboh | What is the right way to configure my environment for any shell I might want to use? .profile? |
| 08:42.24 | \amethyst | Sebboh: for one user or all? |
| 08:42.51 | Shadur | Sebboh: Depends on the shell. All Bourne shells honor .profile. Not too sure if C shells do as well. |
| 08:42.53 | Sebboh | one user |
| 08:43.02 | Peo | wols_: mysql status says it's stopped |
| 08:43.10 | Sebboh | ircII is terrible, by the way. |
| 08:43.30 | Shadur | Sebboh: This is know to... Well, pretty much everyone. |
| 08:43.34 | wols_ | Sebboh: which is why you use irssi |
| 08:43.44 | Sebboh | well I can do without csh. =) |
| 08:43.52 | Shadur | Which is why people tend to use either epic-ircII with massive amounts of scripting, or irssi. |
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| 08:44.19 | xored | wols_: just post any suggest when you like to, iam stuck with that problem for weeks now, so i have time :) |
| 08:44.31 | Rebecca | wols_: just in case someone else here has my same prob... just copying the contents of zd1211-firmware1.3.tar.bz2 to /lib/firmware/zd1211 and unplug/replugging the device got it recognised |
| 08:44.56 | Sebboh | I guess it was my fault for speaking, but I must point out that you guys point out the obvious a lot. ;) Anyway, the correct answer was, Gee, Dave, why are you stuck in ircII against your will? |
| 08:45.03 | xored | wols_: and just for the information, can connect on FTP ports or anything on that box. just 25 is not working somehow. Its like my server might have blacklisted it somewhere ( i dont know where ) |
| 08:45.08 | ronr | I'm having trouble with cups, imagetoraster keeps stopping with status 1 (and the debug log doesn't really give me any clue), where can I look? |
| 08:45.38 | Paul_123 | Can anyone tell me the about destination and source ports when configuring port forwarding on a firewall? I have a FW that i'm setting port forwarding on - it has dest/source IP, but then i also get a choice of what port to? |
| 08:45.39 | wols_ | xored: run a tcpdump on a connection attempt |
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| 08:46.28 | Paul_123 | I was under the ipression that source = port that its being requested on (like 80 for HTTP) and destination = what port do i want to send it to on the receiving node |
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| 08:47.42 | wols_ | a source port is usually the prot from which the data is sent. on the client side. nothing to do with the firewall |
| 08:47.44 | bzed | Paul_123: no, source port == the port the client is using to connect to your destination port |
| 08:48.16 | wols_ | bzed: well it's a consumer router. and we know how good _their_ networking knowledge is :) |
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| 08:48.47 | bzed | wols_: yeah :\ |
| 08:49.19 | xored | wols_: i have thousands of connections comming in. Can i limit tcpdump to drop only lines of a specific ip ? |
| 08:49.29 | wols_ | cast: the dns server of mine won#t work when I do a dig fqdn (and it's even a linux based router) |
| 08:49.32 | Paul_123 | ok, so for HTTP, the client would be requesting on port 80 (source), and normally my destination port would also be 80 correct? |
| 08:49.43 | wols_ | xored: thosands of mails? |
| 08:49.51 | wols_ | mail connections that is |
| 08:50.08 | wols_ | Paul_123: port 80 in this case is destination |
| 08:50.13 | bzed | Paul_123: no, usually the source port is something > 1024, and the destination port is 80. but I guess you wanna read the documentation of your router ;) |
| 08:50.15 | xored | wols_: mails, http etc ( its a hosting server ) |
| 08:50.40 | wols_ | xored: you didn't answer my question. do you have thousands of concurrent mail messages per second? |
| 08:50.42 | Paul_123 | bzed i did, the manual does not cover those details |
| 08:50.49 | bzed | xored: tcpdump host 123.456.789.123 |
| 08:50.53 | Peo | wols_: thanks for your patience |
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| 08:51.01 | wols_ | tcpdum port 25 is also good |
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| 08:51.09 | Paul_123 | bzed - i'm basically trying to block all ports except for .. lets say.. 4444 to access my webserver |
| 08:51.21 | wols_ | Peo: I am not patient. and I dunno why it wouldn't work. my guess is you didn't post the whole log |
| 08:51.35 | wols_ | Peo: also look into docs if you can increase the log level |
| 08:51.36 | bzed | Paul_123: those boxes usually lock all ports except those you've forwarded |
| 08:51.42 | xored | wols_: i dont know the number, but a lot. How could i determine the nuumber ? |
| 08:51.42 | Paul_123 | so i should allow ALL from srouce and 4444 destination/ |
| 08:51.56 | Peo | wols_: you are patient, thank for helping |
| 08:51.56 | bzed | Paul_123: which kind of router do you have? |
| 08:52.06 | Paul_123 | verizon fios Actiontec |
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| 08:52.08 | wols_ | xored: netstat -anp |grep ESTABLISHED |grep :25 |wc -l |
| 08:52.26 | ronr | I pasted the full debug log of a job in http://pastebin.ca/499871 |
| 08:52.37 | wols_ | xored: but bzed and me told you how to do it |
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| 08:53.02 | xored | wols_: 0 is the result |
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| 08:53.30 | wols_ | xored: then right now, no mail is incoming. thought so |
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| 08:54.02 | Paul_123 | OK, i think i got it.. I set SOURCE = ALL , DESTINATION = 4444, forwarded to internal IP:4444 |
| 08:54.05 | xored | wols_: ok. how to limit the tcpdump to a port. Iam connected through a shell rigth now..the dump is "blowing up" |
| 08:54.05 | bzed | Paul_123: uuh, i have no clue about that one. did you try to google for a proper manual on those boxes firewalls? |
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| 08:54.26 | bzed | Paul_123: that sounds right |
| 08:54.30 | wols_ | !tell xored about doesn't work |
| 08:54.36 | \amethyst | Paul_123: assuming apache is running on port 4444 |
| 08:54.51 | Pete_B | any idea how long dosfsck on a 120GB .img file with filesystem problems on a USB2 HDD is likely to take? its been going about 3 hours so far |
| 08:54.56 | Paul_123 | bzed - yeah i got a manual, but they don't put that much detail in them... i guess it was more of me needing to understand the souce/destination ports |
| 08:55.04 | wols_ | Paul_123: you apache is runnong port 80 at the interla IP |
| 08:55.13 | xored | wols_: ? where is my "does not work" sentence ? |
| 08:55.19 | Paul_123 | wols_ yes |
| 08:55.22 | wols_ | the dump is "blowing up" |
| 08:55.34 | \amethyst | Paul_123: then you want it forwarded to internal IP:80 |
| 08:55.44 | \amethyst | Paul_123: but still DESTINATION=4444 |
| 08:55.48 | yure | Paul_123: read linux network administrator's guide, it's good stuff |
| 08:55.51 | Paul_123 | wols_ what i was doing earlier was that i was specifying a 'source' port :( |
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| 08:56.01 | wols_ | xored: and I told you how to limit for a port and bzed to limit for a IP |
| 08:56.10 | Paul_123 | yure, yeah i'm reading through it now |
| 08:56.20 | roxy_ | in a standard debian etch, using non-free sun's jdk and aptitude to install, where would be the 'natural' place to system wide set JAVA_HOME ? |
| 08:56.39 | yure | Paul_123: it's that good, that I bought the printed edition :) |
| 08:56.53 | xored | wols_: tcpdump host myip port 25 is not working, only tcpdump port 25 |
| 08:57.05 | Pete_B | is there any way to tell what dosfsck is doing, to know that it hasn't hung? |
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| 08:57.19 | Paul_123 | yure - i'm reading thorugh A admin guide.. is there a "THE" admins guide? |
| 08:57.21 | yure | roxy_: /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/ ? |
| 08:57.24 | xored | wols_: iam not relly trying to get you angry. |
| 08:57.38 | kth`` | "GPG error: http://ftp2.de.debian.org lenny Release: The following signatures were invalid..." <- were gpg keys for lenny updated? I see nothing in the topic... Anyone care to explain? |
| 08:58.27 | wols_ | xored: there is an "AND" missing n between |
| 08:58.27 | wols_ | man tcpdump |
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| 08:58.27 | yure | Paul_123: linux network administrator's guide will give you the basics of networks under linux |
| 08:58.27 | roxy_ | yure: I am not asking where is java, but where to set the env JAVA_HOME, ie where to write JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/ |
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| 08:59.08 | Paul_123 | Yure, yeah, i'm going through the ... linux admin guide now, then i'll go to network guide |
| 08:59.12 | wols_ | roxy_: /etc/environment |
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| 08:59.27 | xored | wols_: strange. I just used : tcpdump port 25, then connected to my home box ( not the "server" ) to tr the smtp connection from there. It worked, but tcpdump did not drop one single line |
| 08:59.29 | Paul_123 | I just wanted to get this firewall tamed today, and i did.. thanks for all the help guys |
| 08:59.49 | wols_ | xored: cause you don't use tcpdump the right way |
| 09:00.03 | xored | wols_: ok. What was my mistake ? |
| 09:00.04 | roxy_ | wols_: thanks |
| 09:00.08 | Paul_123 | wols_ tell me if you can hit RDP now on 72.94.21.156:4200 |
| 09:00.11 | wols_ | tcpdump has many different, arcane options. wireshark is easier to use btu needs X |
| 09:00.27 | wols_ | xored: not doing man tcpdump |
| 09:00.48 | xored | wols_: iam man"ing" the whole time |
| 09:01.23 | wols_ | of ypi jave X. ise wireshark. easier |
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| 09:01.57 | ronr | anyone any clue on how to figure out why imagetoraster (cups) doesn't work? |
| 09:02.01 | yure | roxy_: also export JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/ |
| 09:02.15 | Paul_123 | can anyone try to RDP on 72.94.21.156:4200? |
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| 09:03.54 | wols_ | Paul_123: no workie |
| 09:04.14 | foo | Hm, what's the order, woody, sarge, etch... what's next? |
| 09:04.20 | jasperhax0r | can someone help me my partitions arnt showing up in etch's installer |
| 09:04.20 | Paul_123 | i'm gonna kick this router... ;) |
| 09:04.38 | wols_ | Paul_123: by default, windows has a firewall on (which is stupid when it's behind a router but that is windows for you) |
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| 09:04.54 | wols_ | foo: lenny |
| 09:05.06 | wols_ | jasperhax0r: what hdd controller? what mobo chipset? |
| 09:05.18 | garo | Is there a mplayer package in debian that doesn't need X ? (I only want to use mencoder) |
| 09:05.20 | jasperhax0r | dono |
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| 09:05.30 | jasperhax0r | it shows up in fdisk but not the installer |
| 09:05.34 | Paul_123 | wols_ try again plz? |
| 09:05.48 | kth`` | wols_, considering windows itself tells you it's an unsafe OS and needs a firewall/antivirus, it seems to make sense :P |
| 09:06.05 | jasperhax0r | Apollo PRO133x chipset? |
| 09:06.14 | roland | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:06.15 | cast | garo: it looks like mencoder from debian-multimedia doesn't |
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| 09:06.32 | wols_ | roxy_: they use CSS. google for "CSS round edges" |
| 09:06.42 | jasperhax0r | IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586A |
| 09:06.49 | roland | <link rel="stylesheet" href="images/Refresh.css" type="text/css" /> |
| 09:06.50 | roland | this ? |
| 09:07.00 | wols_ | jasperhax0r: linux supports this since around linux 2.2 or so |
| 09:07.22 | foo | wols_: ok, I can get the 2.6.20 kernel from lenny on etch, right? Just add lenny repositories, install the kernel, then change it back to etch, right? |
| 09:07.37 | jasperhax0r | so why doesnt the installer show me the partitions i want to install to while fdisk shows me all the partitions |
| 09:07.39 | cast | jasperhax0r: i think i have that piece of hardware :) |
| 09:07.47 | Paul_123 | roland, they use a set of frames, in which the corners, they put in 'round edge' graphic. The rest of the site is inside the center frame |
| 09:08.10 | roland | Paul_123: those are html frames that contain images? |
| 09:08.19 | Paul_123 | roland, so its a 3 by 3 frame set, with the outer cells used as borders (corners are a round 1/4 circle image) |
| 09:08.25 | Paul_123 | yup |
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| 09:08.42 | roland | how can i have such a nice corner and images like them |
| 09:08.42 | wols_ | roland: there are lots of round corner tutorials on the web |
| 09:08.51 | wols_ | roland: this is OT for #debian |
| 09:08.58 | roland | ok and the buttons? |
| 09:09.02 | foo | wols_: I think that may be called apt pining. I'm just crunched for time and just need the kernel |
| 09:09.07 | Paul_123 | take a circle, chop it in 4, take 1 corner and save it |
| 09:09.12 | wols_ | you mean the gradients? more CSS. but again: OT |
| 09:09.19 | roland | Paul_123: chop it with what? |
| 09:09.20 | foo | wols_: actually, I can probably just get the .deb off the debian site. |
| 09:09.21 | roland | what progie |
| 09:09.24 | Paul_123 | photoshop |
| 09:09.32 | wols_ | foo: download the kernel from packages.denbian.org and use dpkg -i |
| 09:09.36 | Paul_123 | wols_ can you try the RDP again plz? |
| 09:09.40 | jasperhax0r | so is there any way i can tell the installer from shell that i want to use the /dev/hda3 partition as / and /dev/hda4 as swap? |
| 09:09.59 | wols_ | Paul_123: I get a connection |
| 09:10.05 | foo | wols_: yup, I'll do that. Thanks |
| 09:10.50 | Paul_123 | http://kalsey.com/2003/07/rounded_corners_in_css/ |
| 09:11.00 | liable | hrm, flash is killing iceweasel again |
| 09:11.06 | jasperhax0r | cant no one help me? |
| 09:11.26 | wols_ | jasperhax0r: it makes no sense since your chipset is supported since forever basically |
| 09:11.29 | Paul_123 | wols_ sweet, thanks, can you get a connection on another port? like the default 3398 or anyother one? I just wanna be as secure as i can |
| 09:11.38 | foo | wols_: hm, is linux-image-2.6.20-1 the latest that are in the repository? |
| 09:11.46 | garo | cast: thanks |
| 09:11.56 | jasperhax0r | its wierd it shows in fdisk but not installer making it seem supported |
| 09:11.59 | wols_ | foo: I dunno. I compile my own kernel.s why do you need such a new kernel? |
| 09:12.01 | foo | wols_: I am kind of looking for the latest, hoping it will solve my megaraid driver issues with this LSI Logic RAID Controller. |
| 09:12.05 | jasperhax0r | is the installer based on i686 |
| 09:12.06 | roxy_ | 1~ |
| 09:12.07 | foo | wols_: ^^ |
| 09:12.20 | cast | jasperhax0r: if it all goes downhill you could always use debootstrap :) |
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| 09:12.38 | jasperhax0r | i just dont want to reinstall windows |
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| 09:12.49 | foo | wols_: hm, 2.6.21 is on here. I can probably stick that on etch, eh? This list says to try 2.6.20.4 ... so, 2.6.21 should be good. It says it may fix the megaraid issues. |
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| 09:13.09 | jasperhax0r | otherwise i would just whipe it and install with a fresh partition table |
| 09:13.23 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 09:13.23 | dpkg | it has been said that qotd144 is < LightVision> madradrone: if I log in at login screen as normal user, I wouldnt be IRC as root would i? |
| 09:13.32 | jasperhax0r | but since windows is already on it i dont want to loose the partition table |
| 09:14.37 | jasperhax0r | so it comes down to how do i tell the installer from shell to use /dev/hda3 as the / partition |
| 09:14.51 | jasperhax0r | or give up and wipe the whole thing |
| 09:14.54 | wols_ | jasperhax0r: cat /proc/partitions |
| 09:14.58 | wols_ | is something there? |
| 09:15.08 | jasperhax0r | yes |
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| 09:15.15 | wols_ | and: what partitiont ype does /dev/hda3 have? |
| 09:15.29 | Bushmills | jasperhax0r: during installation you'll be asked which partition you want to use as root partition |
| 09:15.36 | jasperhax0r | it doesnt |
| 09:15.39 | wols_ | you already have a partition hda3 before you start the debian installer? |
| 09:15.47 | jasperhax0r | it shows my whole disk but no partitions |
| 09:16.02 | jasperhax0r | but in fdisk it shows all 4 partitions |
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| 09:16.10 | wols_ | jasperhax0r: is there any free space on that disk? unpartitioned space? |
| 09:16.18 | jasperhax0r | nope |
| 09:16.19 | Bushmills | jasperhax0r: is there a file system on it? |
| 09:16.22 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:16.25 | jasperhax0r | yes |
| 09:16.26 | jasperhax0r | xfs |
| 09:16.26 | wols_ | jasperhax0r: that is your problem. |
| 09:16.52 | wols_ | jasperhax0r: ake some free space and let debian create a partition on that space |
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| 09:16.56 | wols_ | *make |
| 09:17.05 | jasperhax0r | ~ # cat /proc/partitions |
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| 09:17.21 | ChrisW | mornin' all, any ideas why a dig would return a SERVFAIL and yet a dig +trace would return the right answer? |
| 09:17.38 | jasperhax0r | so basically delete hda 3, 4 and 5 |
| 09:17.48 | wols_ | why 3 partitions? |
| 09:17.52 | jasperhax0r | windows |
| 09:17.56 | jasperhax0r | windows backup |
| 09:17.59 | jasperhax0r | linux |
| 09:18.01 | jasperhax0r | linux swap |
| 09:19.17 | Bushmills | jasperhax0r: creating an ext2/ext3 file system on hda3 should do |
| 09:19.42 | Bushmills | jasperhax0r: as you managed to create an xfs fs, i suppose you have the possibilty |
| 09:19.57 | jasperhax0r | whats the command for make ext3 |
| 09:20.03 | jasperhax0r | im rusty |
| 09:20.13 | wols_ | man mkfs |
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| 09:21.08 | wols_ | but the installer will do all that for you so it's not necessary |
| 09:21.19 | jasperhax0r | actually command not found, had to do mkfs.ext3 |
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| 09:21.54 | wols_ | it's still useless to do it now |
| 09:21.58 | schultzconsult | Hi, anyone using rdiff-backup? |
| 09:22.03 | cast | schultzconsult: yip. |
| 09:22.15 | jasperhax0r | still cant find partition in installer |
| 09:22.29 | wols_ | why are you not using the installer for installing? |
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| 09:22.34 | wols_ | why do you insist on doing it manually? |
| 09:22.38 | schultzconsult | cast: cool, have you tried to backup one single file |
| 09:22.41 | jasperhax0r | im using installer |
| 09:22.51 | jasperhax0r | but installer wont detect partitions already on disk |
| 09:22.51 | wols_ | no ou are not if you run mkfs.ext3 |
| 09:22.57 | wols_ | and you do you own shit |
| 09:23.00 | cast | schultzconsult: not really...does it not work? |
| 09:23.01 | wols_ | *then you do |
| 09:23.09 | jasperhax0r | meaning that i have to do it manually or loose everthing on the hard diskl |
| 09:23.13 | wols_ | I told you to let the installer make partitions |
| 09:23.20 | wols_ | no you don't |
| 09:23.33 | jasperhax0r | it will but it will only wipe the whole fuckinbg disk |
| 09:23.33 | schultzconsult | I have a lot of single files located in different folders and I don't want anything else than those files |
| 09:23.36 | wols_ | the installer is perfectly fine to create additional partitions on a disk |
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| 09:23.48 | jasperhax0r | it gives me no options to select a partition |
| 09:23.51 | wols_ | !tell jasperhax0r about ig |
| 09:24.02 | cast | schultzconsult: hmm, never had that particular situation before. can you just --include individual files withoutissue? |
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| 09:24.09 | jasperhax0r | it says the partition is blank |
| 09:24.18 | jasperhax0r | even though fdisk says otherwise |
| 09:24.32 | schultzconsult | include is no problem :) but to exclude subfolers for say / |
| 09:24.35 | jasperhax0r | Guided partitioning â |
| 09:24.42 | wols_ | jasperhax0r: what installer do you use? |
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| 09:24.56 | jasperhax0r | the one that came with defauld debian |
| 09:24.59 | schultzconsult | if you do a rdiff-backup on / it will dig into /etc, /usr and so on |
| 09:25.03 | jasperhax0r | put disk in press enter |
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| 09:25.15 | wols_ | "First you will be given the opportunity to automatically partition either an entire drive, or available free space on a drive. This is also called .guided. partitioning. If you do not want to autopartition, choose Manual from the menu." |
| 09:25.24 | jasperhax0r | i choose manual |
| 09:25.30 | wols_ | this is from the debian install manual |
| 09:25.43 | jasperhax0r | and it gives me this as a partition |
| 09:25.48 | jasperhax0r | IDE1 master (hda) - 80.0 GB ST380011AÂ |
| 09:26.03 | jasperhax0r | and nothing more but undo, finish amd go back |
| 09:26.13 | jasperhax0r | when i press enter on IDE1 master (hda) - 80.0 GB ST380011AÂ |
| 09:26.15 | cast | schultzconsult: hmm, sounds like you know more than me. :\ dunno |
| 09:26.34 | foo | hm, ok, I set my menu.lst to load the kernel that I know works, and in the kernel that I wanted it to load, I added panic=5 to the kernel line... then, I loaded grub, typed this: savedefault --default=0 --once ... then exit ... I rebooted, box came back up, and it's in the kernel that I know works, but not the one I want. Is there a way I can check the failure to see why the one I wanted didn't work? Or, maybe I did something wrong since ... |
| 09:26.36 | jasperhax0r | i get a menu that says do you want to wipe out the current partition table |
| 09:26.41 | foo | ... menu.lst says to boot this one and the grub stuff I did at grub command line didn't work? |
| 09:26.54 | jasperhax0r | and that when you do this all data will be lost |
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| 09:28.17 | schultzconsult | damn... |
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| 09:29.46 | schultzconsult | it's nice to know stuff, but sometimes it's... |
| 09:29.57 | larsl | Are there any tools in the Debian repositories that can export batches of photos with all available metadata from Flickr? |
| 09:30.00 | cast | schultzconsult: if its on the same file system you could use hardlinks and just rdiff the dir :D but thats a pretty weak way to do things |
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| 09:31.29 | anapivirtua | Hi world. |
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| 09:33.33 | cast | hello anapivirtua, i pray you bought pudding. |
| 09:34.30 | jasperhax0r | ok now partman just locks up at 47% |
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| 09:36.10 | jasperhax0r | ok wtf so now i cant even get past partition disk because it locks up before finish detecting |
| 09:37.03 | jasperhax0r | one question i hope you guys can anser is debian installer and partman i686 compiled |
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| 09:40.28 | wols_ | jasperhax0r: no |
| 09:40.49 | wols_ | jasperhax0r: if you had read the ig, you'd know what the system requirements are |
| 09:40.56 | wols_ | which happen to be a 486 |
| 09:41.16 | jasperhax0r | good since otherwise that would be one problem since my cpu is a VIA c3 has a cmov bug that prevents it from running i686 compiled apps |
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| 09:41.45 | WonderWal | hi there, i really need help. my system hangs on reboot |
| 09:41.51 | jasperhax0r | so basically im screwed trying to install debian |
| 09:41.57 | WonderWal | just says something like "System will now restart" and hangs. |
| 09:42.03 | jasperhax0r | it locks on find partitions now |
| 09:42.23 | jasperhax0r | and it didnt want to use partitions currently on the system earlier |
| 09:43.09 | Peo | bye |
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| 09:44.33 | luxio4 | hello can anyone help me about OS installation? |
| 09:45.04 | cast | luxio4: sure, depends on the problem though. |
| 09:45.04 | luxio4 | is there a micro distro to RUN that automatically without CD burning install a LINUX |
| 09:45.08 | wols_ | !tell luxio4 about ask |
| 09:45.16 | wols_ | luxio4: wrong channel |
| 09:45.26 | luxio4 | ok |
| 09:45.28 | luxio4 | sorry |
| 09:45.43 | wols_ | !tell luxio4 about debootstrap |
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| 09:45.51 | larsl | luxio4: You mean you want to install Linux without having to boot from a CD? |
| 09:46.30 | luxio4 | yep |
| 09:46.32 | kogz | luxio4: this might help: http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ |
| 09:46.43 | luxio4 | i want to install LINUX just clicking a link like a normal PROGRAM |
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| 09:46.53 | luxio4 | i have here mandrake but i want to replace all |
| 09:47.14 | luxio4 | and i would like to use internet and not a CD or another portable media |
| 09:47.29 | wols_ | luxio4: debootstrap |
| 09:47.30 | luxio4 | but i don't want use or interpret script |
| 09:47.40 | luxio4 | i want and easy way to do an easy thing |
| 09:47.51 | petemc | how about the moon, on a stick |
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| 09:48.10 | luxio4 | debootstrap? let me search for |
| 09:48.12 | cast | now what was the name of that project that installed debian in windows |
| 09:48.17 | cydork | luxio4: well pay us $2000 and we might come up with something :P |
| 09:48.38 | wols_ | goodbye-microsoft.com does something like this if you run windows |
| 09:48.48 | luxio4 | nahhh |
| 09:48.59 | cast | ahh http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ is it :) |
| 09:49.00 | luxio4 | i m using mandrake here |
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| 09:49.16 | wols_ | luxio4: does not exist then |
| 09:49.25 | pingouin | nice , never seen this one (goodbye-microsoft) |
| 09:49.27 | luxio4 | forget microsoft |
| 09:49.44 | pingouin | a windows user can install debian in windows throught this ?! |
| 09:49.55 | karsten | luxio4: For kickstart-like capabilities, FAI. |
| 09:49.56 | luxio4 | i don't understand why microsoft doesn't use linux in the ker |
| 09:49.58 | karsten | pingouin: yep. |
| 09:50.03 | pingouin | amazing |
| 09:50.05 | wols_ | pingouin: you can create a dula boot system or replace windows yes |
| 09:50.07 | luxio4 | a MS Linux |
| 09:50.10 | cast | pingouin: i think it installs debian inside C:\ and a decent bootloader, so yeah :> |
| 09:50.12 | cydork | karsten: you think he knows about kickstart?? :) |
| 09:50.20 | wols_ | cast: it does not |
| 09:50.26 | karsten | pingouin: It basically handles the bootstrap-the-bootloader thing. |
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| 09:50.29 | karsten | cydork: Point. |
| 09:51.27 | karsten | cast: Nope, it d/l's the installer, modifies ntldr to boot from the install, then replaces the Windows partition w/ Linux (possibly retaining the 'doze side, not entirely sure). |
| 09:51.27 | cydork | luxio4: ok now this is the last offer go to vmware.com get a player and some linux appliance and abuse it :) |
| 09:51.35 | karsten | ... but would have to install Windows to do so. |
| 09:51.37 | luxio4 | so with debootstrap i can install debian |
| 09:51.39 | wols_ | jatt: you can retain windows. dualboot or replacement. your choice |
| 09:52.08 | luxio4 | no no i want to erase all |
| 09:52.27 | luxio4 | but with debootstrap i can install only debian and not another distro |
| 09:52.32 | karsten | luxio4: Is this a one-time thing or are you planning to automate large-scale conversions? |
| 09:52.55 | luxio4 | ahah don't worry this is a single shot |
| 09:52.58 | cast | wols_, karsten: oh, my mistake :). |
| 09:52.58 | karsten | luxio4: Um, well, you _are_ in #debian, so we'll assume you're talking Debian GNU/Linux installs. |
| 09:53.24 | luxio4 | i mean is it a generic installer |
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| 09:54.07 | Assid | heya |
| 09:54.13 | Assid | i need some help with quotas |
| 09:54.34 | Assid | i put a quota of 30mb .. but apparently it locks it at 26MB |
| 09:56.27 | luxio4 | oki ciao people |
| 09:56.41 | luxio4 | bye neutrinux with mass |
| 09:57.57 | kubrick | where should I set the options for a module when its loaded? |
| 09:58.07 | kubrick | whats the file in debian ? |
| 09:58.37 | Assid | karsten: any clue what could be causing this? |
| 09:58.42 | kubrick | should I create /etc/modules.conf ? or I have to create a new one into /etc/modprobe.d/ ? |
| 09:59.05 | jelly-home | kubrick: kernel module? Any file in /etc/modprobe.d/, eg. create /etc/modprobe.d/local |
| 09:59.06 | larsl | kubrick: Somewhere in /etc/modprobe.d |
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| 09:59.50 | kubrick | ok, thanks |
| 10:00.19 | tman__ | anybody dealing with http://debaday.debian.net/ here? |
| 10:00.27 | tman__ | url rewrite seems to be down |
| 10:00.48 | WonderWal | someone, please help. my system hangs on reboot |
| 10:01.09 | luxio4 | ahhh you need a CD ROM |
| 10:02.08 | cast | does anyone know if goodbye-microsoft works with vista? |
| 10:02.36 | cydork | cast: they have some unstable version out for that. |
| 10:02.52 | Assid | err.. how exactly does block limit affect quotas ? |
| 10:02.59 | cast | friend just got a vista laptop see :( |
| 10:03.19 | cydork | cast: http://www.goodbye-windows.com/debian/vista/ |
| 10:03.44 | cast | thanks! |
| 10:03.50 | jelly-home | is there a normajean OS? |
| 10:04.03 | Assid | umm can someone help me with this quota issue? |
| 10:04.10 | cydork | jelly-home: what is that? |
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| 10:04.39 | jelly-home | cydork: so that someone can make www.goodbye-norma-jean.com |
| 10:04.52 | iddqd | hi |
| 10:04.52 | cydork | jelly-home: heh |
| 10:05.00 | iddqd | some NetworkManager guru around? |
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| 10:05.03 | solemnwarning | Is there an option for /etc/network/interfaces I can use to specify the DNS server IPs and the domain? |
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| 10:06.49 | iddqd | i'm having the problem, that NetworkManager does not find my wlan interface (nm-tool has only output for eth0, which is wired network, knetworkmanager shows no essids) |
| 10:07.03 | iddqd | hal-device shows up the interface though |
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| 10:07.18 | liable | hal-device? |
| 10:07.22 | iddqd | and it's working (using wpasupplicant, iwconfig, kismet) etc |
| 10:07.43 | jelly-home | solemnwarning: dns-search and dns-nameservers pragma, but I can find what they depend on... I think resolvconf |
| 10:07.45 | iddqd | it worked before, but it just vanished |
| 10:07.59 | wols_ | iddqd: are you configuring your WLAN in /etc/network/interfaces already? |
| 10:08.00 | jelly-home | _can't_ find |
| 10:08.00 | iddqd | is that probably a known issue with etch? |
| 10:08.05 | iddqd | wols_: nopes |
| 10:08.07 | liable | iddqd: what is hal-device? |
| 10:08.09 | wols_ | solemnwarning: you can put a script in there that sets these things |
| 10:08.34 | iddqd | liable: nm then |
| 10:08.34 | iddqd | ;-) |
| 10:08.51 | liable | iddqd: just explain what it is |
| 10:09.09 | liable | iddqd: madwifi? |
| 10:09.35 | iddqd | ipw3945 |
| 10:09.51 | iddqd | it gives you a list af alle the devices, the hald recognized |
| 10:09.58 | iddqd | NetworkManager uses those devices afaik |
| 10:10.52 | iddqd | something like lshal btw |
| 10:11.20 | liable | ipw3945 doesnt have a wifi0 or anything, so if it shows in ifconfig, then blame nm, but i woulda thought it worked ok with that driver by now |
| 10:11.57 | iddqd | well, madwifi devices show up in ifconfig aswell |
| 10:11.59 | liable | iddqd: btw theres a new driver for that card that doesnt need the daemon. |
| 10:12.04 | iddqd | you can give them any name you want |
| 10:12.14 | iddqd | thats not the problem |
| 10:12.17 | iddqd | oh |
| 10:12.23 | iddqd | without the ipw3945d? |
| 10:12.26 | liable | iddqd: huh, are you using madwifi or ipw3945? |
| 10:12.32 | WonderWal | apt-get install sun-java5-jdk wants to install X stuff,sound stuff, this is wrong, i don't need that stuff. what can i do? |
| 10:12.39 | iddqd | on that laptop ipw3945 |
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| 10:13.29 | WonderWal | anyone? |
| 10:13.30 | Nosf3ratu | bueller? |
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| 10:16.15 | Falkom | hi, do you know how create dvd iso images with mondo tool, pleasE? |
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| 10:20.08 | ozzi | hi |
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| 10:20.47 | liable | !kill the stupid fucking flash thing that segfaults iceweasel |
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| 10:26.33 | Octopus | Anyone might have a clue why I can't select the filesystem AF in cfdisk? |
| 10:26.36 | Octopus | I mean, why it doesn't show as an option |
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| 10:27.04 | sontag | hello I modified my partition table (hda10 became hda9) so debian wont boot |
| 10:27.28 | sontag | I modified fstab but it doesn't seams to be sufficient |
| 10:27.29 | Bushmills | sontag: check boot loader and /etc/fstab |
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| 10:27.49 | sontag | Is there another conf file to edit |
| 10:27.49 | sontag | ? |
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| 10:28.08 | Bushmills | sontag: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 10:28.28 | sontag | Bushmills, it's OK |
| 10:28.51 | sontag | since I install ubuntu on the new partion |
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| 10:29.23 | spheard | is there a utility that I can use to search through all my system logs? |
| 10:29.27 | petemc | grep |
| 10:29.52 | ozzi | yep |
| 10:30.04 | spheard | purists |
| 10:30.22 | Bushmills | what's wrong with grep? |
| 10:30.28 | Bushmills | *boggle* |
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| 10:30.38 | spheard | I saw an application ages ago that organises everything in a pretty gui |
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| 10:30.41 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 10:31.05 | Bushmills | but you asked for "searching", not "presentation" |
| 10:31.33 | gypsymauro | I've to launch a program that listen on a tcp port but I want to release my shell I used nohup it's right? but when I try to disconnect from the ssh it doesn't disconnect:( |
| 10:31.46 | spheard | nohup command & |
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| 10:32.15 | spheard | I think does it |
| 10:32.56 | Bushmills | gypsymauro: consider to run it in screen |
| 10:33.02 | Bushmills | not needed but may be useful |
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| 10:33.25 | sontag | Bushmills, you are right! ubuntu installer didn't modified menu.lst correctly! |
| 10:33.46 | sontag | root=/dev/hda10 wasn't modified |
| 10:34.09 | cast | whoa. thats alot of partitions |
| 10:34.16 | Bushmills | sontag: there you go |
| 10:34.53 | spheard | ubuntu installer needs work with a lumphammer |
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| 10:36.40 | spheard | Bushmills, "grep -r 'DCOP'" will find anything with the string DCOP in any directory above the one I'm in? |
| 10:36.54 | petemc | below |
| 10:37.02 | petemc | grep -r foo * |
| 10:37.39 | Bushmills | spheard: i'd call it "below" rather than "above" |
| 10:37.49 | foo | petemc: If you don't ask permission to use me again, I'll pop you. |
| 10:37.57 | Bushmills | and you miss the file specification |
| 10:37.58 | foo | petemc: :D Just kidding. |
| 10:38.00 | petemc | :) |
| 10:38.00 | Bushmills | append a * |
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| 10:38.50 | spheard | Bushmills: append a * ? sorry, loosing me |
| 10:38.53 | Lirezh | hi |
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| 10:39.16 | Bushmills | spheard: what petemc said |
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| 10:39.50 | spheard | Bushmills, k. Its not printing the file name where it found the string |
| 10:40.07 | Bushmills | spheard: man grep |
| 10:40.08 | spheard | petemc: thx |
| 10:40.11 | spheard | k |
| 10:40.17 | Lirezh | Can tar store recursively archived files (from several subdirectories) in the same main directory? (ignoring the directories but taking all files) |
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| 10:51.16 | fireba11 | Lirezh : since some filenames might be duplicate taht is not a good idea normally |
| 10:52.11 | gordboy | i hereby undertake to provide unlimited intellectual property indemnification to all linux users, in perpetuity. this offer is only available if you purchase my Software Indemnity Cover Kit at the full retail price of $10000 per workstation |
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| 10:56.57 | freach | hello, got serious problems with fetchmail in the current stable etch, i got daemon crashs with no error logging, i think it's because of wrong mail headers, but this problem seems to be fixed since DSA-1259-1, I think it isn't |
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| 10:57.44 | freach | anyone with the same experience |
| 10:58.06 | fireba11 | am not using fetchmail... |
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| 11:01.45 | Lirezh | fireba11 : ye, in my case there can't be duplicates. i guess it is not possible with tar, is it ? |
| 11:02.18 | petemc | tar cf - `find . -type f -print` | tar xCf /otherdir - |
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| 11:04.42 | Lirezh | petemc : what does the "-" do ? |
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| 11:05.19 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'grub2' returned no results. |
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| 11:05.39 | \amethyst | Lirezh: it stands for stdout/stdin |
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| 11:05.45 | liable | it makes it work silly! |
| 11:05.51 | Lirezh | oh didn'T know that |
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| 11:06.37 | cast | petemc: do you really need f -? |
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| 11:07.21 | Joe7 | hi |
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| 11:07.38 | DawnLight | hi Joe7 |
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| 11:08.17 | Joe7 | how is it possible to configure clamav to ignore messages coming through smtp? |
| 11:08.43 | tenzind | is there any text based pdf viewer? |
| 11:09.08 | Bushmills | tenzind: pdftotext |
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| 11:09.42 | DawnLight | Joe7: ig uess there's a million configurations you can make nin the configurations file |
| 11:09.47 | Bushmills | tenzind: or pdftohtml, use lynx, links, w3m or such |
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| 11:09.47 | \amethyst | cast: it's a good habit, since traditionally (and still on some systems) the default is /dev/st0 not - |
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| 11:10.09 | tenzind | Bushmills: ok .. thank you |
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| 11:10.36 | cast | \amethyst: hmmm. thats a far reason. |
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| 11:13.00 | Spliffster | hello. i need to create screenshots from the commandline (after opening an xwindow program). can you advice some software? has anyone done this ? |
| 11:13.14 | ChrisW | hi all, some of my servers are incorrectly (ie: not at all :-S) resolving names for their own domain... how can I go about debugging this? |
| 11:13.21 | liable | !ss |
| 11:13.21 | dpkg | methinks ss is screenshot is 'import -window root screenshot.jpg' (requires imagemagick), or The Gimp's 'acquire -> screenshot' feature. The package scrot does a nice job too, command line, date & size shot at and png format. or man xwd |
| 11:13.26 | Bushmills | Spliffster: import |
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| 11:13.41 | Bushmills | Spliffster: comes with imagemagick |
| 11:14.02 | Spliffster | Bushmills: thanks, will try |
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| 11:15.47 | kairu0 | not linux-specific question: why do i have to unplug and plug in again my usb keyboard every time i reboot? |
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| 11:16.29 | avtobiff | kairu0, compulsive obsession syndrome? |
| 11:16.31 | avtobiff | ;-) |
| 11:16.40 | ChrisW | what does debian use to resolve names? |
| 11:16.42 | sobersabre | hi, I want to optimize resolving speed. |
| 11:16.43 | kairu0 | lol |
| 11:16.48 | sobersabre | I have a large hosts file. |
| 11:17.01 | sobersabre | (about 40 entries) |
| 11:17.04 | kairu0 | avtobiff, jackass hehehe |
| 11:17.26 | sobersabre | what would be faster to put nsswitch to have hosts: files dns |
| 11:17.32 | avtobiff | kairu0, hehe. well. you actually did not state why you have to plug/unplug it :-) |
| 11:17.34 | sobersabre | or hosts: dns file ? |
| 11:17.43 | sobersabre | s/file/files/ |
| 11:18.04 | Spliffster | thanks liable |
| 11:18.06 | avtobiff | kairu0, but have you checked your bios for settings (usb-keybord, pnp-os)? |
| 11:18.50 | kairu0 | avtobiff, this is a Vaio laptop and as such the bios has shit |
| 11:19.12 | sobersabre | hi guys. |
| 11:19.17 | avtobiff | kairu0, ok. are there no options for pnp-os or usb-keyboard? |
| 11:19.24 | cydork | kairu0: which model? |
| 11:19.25 | sobersabre | I am considering to buy a mbp via ebay... |
| 11:19.26 | kairu0 | avtobiff, since i cant toggle num lock off and on even at the grub menu i assume its a bios problem right? |
| 11:19.35 | kairu0 | cydork, vgn-fs21b |
| 11:19.41 | avtobiff | kairu0, not sure. |
| 11:19.58 | avtobiff | kairu0, but ask google: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=plug+unplug+reboot+usb+keyboard&btnG=Search |
| 11:20.33 | avtobiff | kairu0, and perhaps check this one http://www.futurehardware.in/58936.htm |
| 11:20.59 | avtobiff | kairu0, hmm... maybe not the latter one after all... |
| 11:20.59 | kairu0 | great thanks |
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| 11:21.20 | kairu0 | the funny thing is that the usb mouse on the same hub is fine |
| 11:21.57 | avtobiff | kairu0, http://www.nautilus6.org/doc/tc-vaio-linux-bsd-20041221-KuntzR.txt |
| 11:22.29 | kairu0 | avtobiff, lol on the futurehardware. removing modem drivers in xp caused it hahaha |
| 11:22.34 | avtobiff | kairu0, do you have that shipped usb keyboard with your vaio? |
| 11:22.43 | avtobiff | kairu0, yeah. saw it. |
| 11:23.41 | kairu0 | avtobiff, no, i just picked up the keyboard |
| 11:23.48 | avtobiff | kairu0, ok. |
| 11:23.55 | kairu0 | i really dont think its the hub, but maybe thats the next thing to check |
| 11:24.25 | avtobiff | kairu0, yes try it directly connected (it shouldn't do any difference though, i think usb hubs are just repeaters) |
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| 11:24.36 | avtobiff | kairu0, i have to go now. bye. |
| 11:24.43 | avtobiff | kairu0, good luck! |
| 11:24.56 | kairu0 | thanks a lot for the help man |
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| 11:29.14 | sobersabre | I am trying to optimize nfs server. |
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| 11:29.23 | sobersabre | I ran showmount --all |
| 11:29.32 | sobersabre | and it displayed several lines per host. |
| 11:29.36 | sobersabre | Is this ok ? |
| 11:29.48 | sobersabre | I mean doesn't this introduce any additional slowness ? |
| 11:30.41 | kairu0 | sobersabre, by the way how about pdnsd for your resolving question? |
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| 11:31.16 | sobersabre | kairu0: who is pdnsd ? |
| 11:31.23 | Bushmills | maradns may be a nice alternative too |
| 11:31.29 | kairu0 | sobersabre, caching dns daemon |
| 11:31.30 | sobersabre | does it eat a lot of CPU ? |
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| 11:31.54 | sobersabre | memory footprint... |
| 11:32.56 | Bushmills | maradns resident 1088 kb, around 50 domains, running for several months |
| 11:33.11 | kairu0 | Bushmills, a whole 1MB? :P |
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| 11:34.52 | Bushmills | authoritative and recursive... should look up one which uses upstream only, hang on |
| 11:35.19 | Bushmills | about the same, doesn't have much influence |
| 11:35.20 | kairu0 | this is a really basic bind9 question, but i want to set up a caching nameserver that queries an internal dns server for all 10.x.x.x addresses and a set of external dns servers for everything else. |
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| 11:35.39 | kairu0 | can anyone give me an overview of how youd do that? |
| 11:35.53 | yure | kairu0: join #bind ? |
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| 11:38.06 | sobersabre | Bushmills: thanks. |
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| 11:38.21 | oddjob | hi |
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| 11:38.45 | oddjob | i have just bough an intel pci-e gigabit card, its found and finds a gigabit link but cant get an ip... same in windows |
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| 11:40.33 | aixing | how do i enable a feature for a package that was installed using apt-get? |
| 11:40.55 | Bushmills | aixing: you'd configure it |
| 11:40.58 | cast | dpkg-reconfigure pkg |
| 11:41.13 | aixing | ok thanks |
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| 11:43.19 | joey[] | how come there's not DBD-Oracle (perl module) in packages.debian.org? :( |
| 11:43.24 | Alam_Debian | anyone know a way to shorten a group of files' filename to 32.3 format? |
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| 11:46.09 | Bushmills | Alam_Debian: shut be well within possibilities of bash |
| 11:46.12 | Bushmills | should |
| 11:46.30 | cydork | Alam_Debian: you can use rename. man rename. |
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| 11:46.57 | Alam_Debian | rename, perl.... pern_exal.... |
| 11:47.11 | DawnLight | is there a motherboard manufacturer that is known to be open source friendly? |
| 11:47.16 | smhar | is it just me or google.com (without www) gives error? |
| 11:47.21 | Winkie | is there a chance someone could give me a hand figuring out a problem I have with building zaptel modules? They seem to build ok but they install into the global /lib/modules it seems, instead of the debian temp directory |
| 11:48.03 | cydork | smhar: i am afraid to tell you this, but google doesn't like you. |
| 11:48.41 | smhar | this is the error I got: The requested URL /sorry/?continue=http://google.com/ was not found on this server. |
| 11:48.42 | smhar | !! |
| 11:48.42 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 11:48.54 | smhar | :-) |
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| 11:48.57 | Winkie | smhar: it sounds like your ISP uses a transparant proxy |
| 11:49.00 | Winkie | and that's what is being caught |
| 11:49.07 | liable | yup |
| 11:49.32 | cydork | smhar: they are watching you!! |
| 11:49.36 | smhar | Winkie, yes, my $%&&*&*( IS using a transparent proxy that is giving me all sorts of problems |
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| 11:49.56 | Winkie | smhar: what sort of problems? |
| 11:50.07 | liable | cant access google??? |
| 11:50.13 | Winkie | use www. :) |
| 11:50.14 | ErkiDerLoony | !google |
| 11:50.15 | dpkg | it has been said that google is a search engine owned by Google Inc. whose mission statement is to "organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful." The largest search engine on the web, Google receives over 200 million queries each day through its various services. It's website can be found at http://www.google.com |
| 11:50.32 | liable | was that neccesary? |
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| 11:50.53 | Bushmills | hehe |
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| 11:51.12 | ErkiDerLoony | There are bots who can search google for you. |
| 11:51.28 | smhar | only with www.google.com which gets directed to www.google.com.bh or using http://www.google.com/intl/en/ as I usually do |
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| 11:51.56 | cydork | cast: they know what you did last summer? :) |
| 11:51.58 | liable | cydork: thats why we all love google |
| 11:52.11 | khe | hello |
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| 11:52.40 | liable | stipid nicktab |
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| 11:52.52 | cydork | liable: heh |
| 11:53.01 | liable | but it actually wasnt so bad in this case, falls back to yesterdays conversation :) |
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| 11:53.17 | davy | Hi everybody, how can i do for removing kernel's modules (blacklist dont work) ? |
| 11:53.19 | cydork | liable: yeah i was just thinkin that :) |
| 11:53.21 | albert | hi |
| 11:53.54 | smhar | I can't wait to get out of this ISP's monopoly, it doesn't seem soon though |
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| 11:55.23 | |DuReX| | hello, i got a lil question, whats the best filesystem (stable & speed) that can be resized and that supports 16TB volumes at least |
| 11:55.42 | smhar | with its crazily expensive prices, low speed , cheap quality and poor service, it is our only option |
| 11:56.15 | DawnLight | is there a fully open source graphics manufacturer? |
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| 11:57.15 | wols_ | ´!ext3 |
| 11:57.19 | wols_ | !ext3 |
| 11:57.19 | dpkg | rumour has it, ext3 is the One True Filesystem. If you have to ask what filesystem you should be using, use ext3. Ask me about "ext2->ext3", "xfs" and "ricerfs". |
| 11:57.28 | wols_ | DawnLight: no |
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| 11:57.55 | cast | i'd look at XFS personally, keeping in mind it might scramble a bit of your files if you unplug it |
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| 11:58.20 | DawnLight | :( |
| 11:58.25 | petemc | cast: you think that knowledge should be innate? theres a first time for everything... |
| 11:58.29 | liable | DawnLight: intels graphics are open source (if you mean drivers) |
| 11:58.37 | wols_ | cast: xfs can't be shrinked |
| 11:58.51 | liable | shrunk either |
| 11:58.54 | |DuReX| | normally it only needs to be extended :) |
| 11:59.05 | wols_ | petemc: but people doing such a thing should know where and how to look |
| 11:59.17 | wols_ | otherwise they are simply not fit to manage that kind of data |
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| 11:59.19 | petemc | wols_: i dont agree |
| 11:59.38 | wols_ | dunker: then xfs can fit the bill |
| 11:59.38 | petemc | wols_: asking on here isnt a bad idea, as someone may have good experience |
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| 12:00.13 | petemc | wols_: how can you or anyone else here presume to know what someone can or cant do? |
| 12:00.32 | liable | ok, point made :) |
| 12:00.49 | wols_ | petemc: he is either very lazy or he doesn't know so he has to ask people like us |
| 12:00.50 | DavidProck1981 | is there a way to allways keep a program open, and if a user closes it or it craches, to have it open it back up |
| 12:00.54 | cast | i wonder how ZFS performs vs XFS |
| 12:01.06 | wols_ | DavidProck1981: a watcher process that restarts it basically |
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| 12:01.11 | wols_ | dunno of a premade solution |
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| 12:01.29 | DavidProck1981 | wols can u tell me more |
| 12:01.31 | |DuReX| | so XFS should be the best solution ? |
| 12:01.34 | |DuReX| | for a big filesystem |
| 12:01.39 | wols_ | I just did what I do know |
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| 12:01.49 | cydork | |DuReX|: /msg dpkg fs comparison |
| 12:01.56 | liable | i would imagine that would royally *piss* a user off if the program they shut keeps starting agin |
| 12:02.11 | cast | |DuReX|: i dunno. biggest drive i've got is 320GB :D. read up for a while. you're the one whos going to cop it if it all goes downhill |
| 12:02.14 | khe | DavidProck1981: daemontools, monit, runit, while true; do runMyProgram; done |
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| 12:02.25 | wols_ | |DuReX|: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems |
| 12:03.03 | |DuReX| | ext4 is prolly still to 'new' |
| 12:04.26 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 12:04.26 | dpkg | < justin420> ...got some weird errors when using that dhclient eth0... < nvz> justin420: thats a normal dhcp lease proceedure < Tchiak> it's ok justin.. lots of men have problem problems understanding what' s going on with their DHCP it's only natural. < Tchiak> if you take this packet once a day before engaging in internet activites, you'll provide a satisfaction to both you and your isp. |
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| 12:05.09 | |DuReX| | 16TB is the max on 32bit system ? |
| 12:05.19 | DavidProck1981 | liable, it is a fix for me, kause ktorrent keeps crashing, ive seen it go about 5 hours with out crashing , and some times it can only go 20 min. with out crashing |
| 12:05.34 | wols_ | liable: was running a cronjob that monitored my pppd since it sometimes would stop |
| 12:06.01 | liable | DavidProck1981: try another torrent client? |
| 12:06.05 | wols_ | DavidProck1981: ktorrent is a gui only client? if so, restarting it is kinda bad. disrupts your session |
| 12:06.08 | Winkie | hmm, i'm building a package for zaptel and the modules are going in debian/${PKGNAME}/etc but not being included in the final package, is there any obvious good reason for this? |
| 12:06.12 | DavidProck1981 | that is the olny one i like |
| 12:06.14 | wols_ | get a proper BT client instead |
| 12:06.17 | liable | wols_: persistent? |
| 12:06.23 | Winkie | i'm building this on a kernel the package creator wouldn't expect possibly |
| 12:06.30 | wols_ | liable: no workie. I tried |
| 12:06.48 | DavidProck1981 | brb |
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| 12:08.10 | liable | Winkie: yes, the makefile is broken |
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| 12:08.30 | Winkie | liable: in what way, it seems to be building them in the location the rules file is specifying |
| 12:09.01 | liable | Winkie: i have no idea, but if they arent going in the right spot, your rules, or makefile is borked |
| 12:09.15 | Winkie | liable: i figured that much, it's the one from unstable being built on stable |
| 12:09.19 | kairu0 | any sparc users that can tell me how to use libsensors? |
| 12:09.21 | Winkie | but i can't figure out exactly what is wrong |
| 12:09.26 | liable | Winkie: i dont build packages, i played a while back, and found it unexiciting |
| 12:09.37 | liable | Winkie: try #debian-mentors on oftc |
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| 12:09.54 | Winkie | mind giving me oftc details? |
| 12:09.59 | Winkie | i assume i could ask the bot :) |
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| 12:10.04 | wols_ | irc.oftc.net |
| 12:10.04 | liable | Winkie: irc.debian.org |
| 12:10.19 | liable | either |
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| 12:10.39 | yess | Hello. Does debian xen packages support XenSource Management Service? |
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| 12:12.01 | ian_ | hey, i have this ext3 partition that i'd like to have preserve it's file's permissions when its remounted. is that possible? i looked through man mount and didnt see any option related to it ;\ |
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| 12:12.26 | liable | huh? |
| 12:12.29 | yess | ian_: What do you mean? |
| 12:12.49 | ian_ | k, say i chmod 666 /path/to/partition/file.txt and then umount the partition |
| 12:12.56 | ian_ | i want that file to still be 666 when i remount it |
| 12:13.03 | liable | it should be |
| 12:13.10 | ian_ | its not ._. |
| 12:13.11 | DavidProck1981 | khe: daemontools, monit, runit, while true; do runMyProgram; done |
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| 12:13.35 | DavidProck1981 | i just installed daemontools-installer and set it up |
| 12:13.37 | alfadir | hi, where are the link numbers decided for the update-rc.d ? did a update-rc.d -f slapd remove then a update-rc.d slapd defaults, just interested to know as the links were numbered S18 or so before and now S20. is there a default order file ? |
| 12:13.44 | liable | ian_: whats your fstab line for that partition? |
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| 12:13.57 | liable | ian_: try running symc before you umount |
| 12:14.02 | liable | sync* |
| 12:14.18 | DavidProck1981 | can u tell me more about it |
| 12:14.53 | liable | DavidProck1981: #debian isnt an interactive tutorial service :P |
| 12:15.49 | liable | alfadir: man update-rc.d |
| 12:16.01 | liable | alfadir: it tells you how you can set the S number |
| 12:16.19 | liable | alfadir: in te case of packages, its in the install scripts |
| 12:16.26 | xoz | alfadir: you may user file-rc if you hate update-rc. |
| 12:16.44 | Winkie | liable: well i asked, lets see if i get a response, thanks anyway :) |
| 12:17.08 | ian_ | the fstab line is |
| 12:17.18 | liable | Winkie: be patient, those sorts of channels arent so busy |
| 12:17.23 | Winkie | liable: indeed |
| 12:17.34 | alfadir | liable: ok, thanks |
| 12:17.36 | ian_ | /dev/hdd1 /media/maxtor ext3 defaults 0 1 |
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| 12:17.49 | ian_ | but when i simply mount /dev/hdd1 it says |
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| 12:17.56 | ian_ | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdd1, missing codepage or other error |
| 12:18.14 | ian_ | but if i append a -ogid=46, it mounts fine |
| 12:18.20 | ian_ | ;\ |
| 12:18.36 | Winkie | hmm |
| 12:18.44 | DavidProck1981 | daemontools, monit, runit, while true; do ktorrent; Thaat runs it as if it was on another user account, cause it dont read the settings or show my downloads |
| 12:18.48 | Winkie | that is very odd, i assume you've fscked it? |
| 12:18.56 | ian_ | yes, its fine |
| 12:19.08 | Winkie | i didn't even known ext3 had a gid option |
| 12:19.09 | alfadir | xoz: file-rc best console editor ? have read about others that does not seem so well maintained |
| 12:19.14 | liable | ian_: who is guid 46? whou made the mount point? |
| 12:19.29 | xoz | !file-rc |
| 12:19.29 | dpkg | file-rc is, like, an alternative startup mechanism for Debian which uses a single configuration file instead of a mess of symlinks. Very cool; check it out: apt-get install file-rc. |
| 12:19.30 | Winkie | ian_: and you're doing this as root right? |
| 12:19.34 | ian_ | 46 is my user |
| 12:19.36 | ian_ | and yes |
| 12:20.09 | Winkie | well that is an interesting one |
| 12:20.12 | Winkie | i have no fricking idea! |
| 12:20.23 | ian_ | :( |
| 12:20.28 | petemc | DavidProck1981: what is causing ktorrent to stop in the first place? |
| 12:20.28 | xoz | alfadir: bsd style rc where you edit only one file for the order of startup. no more symlinks to worry. |
| 12:20.32 | Winkie | if you specify the mount point does it give you the same error? |
| 12:20.34 | alfadir | xoz: sure, know my way around apt-cache.. too. |
| 12:20.39 | Winkie | alternately specify the filesystem type? |
| 12:20.42 | ian_ | it used to mount fine automagically when it was fat32 |
| 12:20.51 | ian_ | Winkie: when i specify a mount point and options, it mounts fine |
| 12:20.54 | DavidProck1981 | who was it that mentioned something about cron (something) to keep something running? |
| 12:20.56 | ian_ | when i let it use fstab, it gives that error |
| 12:21.01 | DavidProck1981 | petemc i dont know |
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| 12:21.03 | ian_ | DavidProck1981: man cron |
| 12:21.08 | Winkie | ian_: what about `mount -t ext3 /dev/hdd1` ? |
| 12:21.12 | liable | huh? how is your user 46? |
| 12:21.12 | liable | or why is a better question |
| 12:21.12 | liable | !test |
| 12:21.12 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 12:21.17 | ian_ | lemme try |
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| 12:21.22 | ian_ | liable: thats the group |
| 12:21.23 | alfadir | xoz: ok, well i just want a working lowinpact solution.. consolebased (ei can run over ssh) |
| 12:21.34 | petemc | DavidProck1981: well, ive used ktorrent, and it shouldnt do that - so instead of arsing about trying to hack around it, try fixing the real problem |
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| 12:22.16 | DavidProck1981 | petemc, it is a crach, and i dont know how to go about fixing it |
| 12:22.18 | ian_ | root@saint:/media# mount -t ext3 /dev/hdd1 /media/maxtor -ogid=46 |
| 12:22.18 | ian_ | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdd1, |
| 12:22.19 | liable | ian_: ya, brain fart on my part |
| 12:22.20 | bagsun | hello people, how come when I type glxgears it says command not found ? I did whereis glxgears and still nothing |
| 12:22.22 | ian_ | root@saint:/media# mount /dev/hdd1 /media/maxtor -ogid=46 |
| 12:22.22 | ian_ | root@saint:/media# |
| 12:22.25 | DavidProck1981 | crash* |
| 12:22.28 | Winkie | ian_: try `mount -o defaults /dev/hdd1` |
| 12:22.41 | ian_ | look at what happened l\ |
| 12:22.45 | Winkie | i did :) |
| 12:22.49 | ian_ | ;\ |
| 12:22.53 | Winkie | i want to try specifying a non gid option |
| 12:22.57 | Winkie | unless you've already tried |
| 12:23.01 | liable | ah 46 is plugdev |
| 12:23.20 | liable | ian_: externel drive? |
| 12:23.21 | ian_ | root@saint:/media# mount -t ext3 /dev/hdd1 /media/maxtor -o defaults |
| 12:23.21 | ian_ | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdd1, |
| 12:23.28 | ian_ | root@saint:/media# mount /dev/hdd1 /media/maxtor -o defaults |
| 12:23.28 | ian_ | root@saint:/media# |
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| 12:23.30 | ian_ | no its internal |
| 12:23.50 | DavidProck1981 | brb reading man cron |
| 12:23.50 | Winkie | ian_: hmm! |
| 12:23.53 | Winkie | stranger still |
| 12:23.59 | wols_ | ian_: now run "mount" and tell us what fs type it is |
| 12:24.19 | wols_ | bagsun: cause you haven't installed glxgears |
| 12:24.23 | wols_ | !tell bagsun about search |
| 12:24.33 | ian_ | wait. what the hell |
| 12:24.45 | Winkie | please say corrupted fstab |
| 12:24.49 | liable | ian_: what if you mount it on another mointpoint? |
| 12:24.52 | Winkie | that's my betting :( |
| 12:24.56 | ian_ | i formatted it to ext3, and fdisk -l says its ext3, but 'mount' says its vfat |
| 12:25.02 | ian_ | my drive is confused |
| 12:25.27 | wols_ | ian_: no, you are |
| 12:25.34 | ian_ | am i? |
| 12:25.39 | liable | i am |
| 12:25.48 | wols_ | ian_: which explains the problem with your UIDs/GIDs |
| 12:25.59 | wols_ | ian_: come back if you use a real fs |
| 12:26.01 | bagsun | wols_ so basically I do sudo apt-get install mesa-utils |
| 12:26.08 | liable | but its nothing unusual for me to be confused.. |
| 12:26.13 | liable | yes |
| 12:26.15 | ian_ | .... wols_: i formatted it ext3 |
| 12:26.19 | ian_ | ill format it right now again |
| 12:26.25 | bagsun | I did sudo apt-cache search glxgears and that is what I got |
| 12:26.28 | wols_ | ian_: I simply call you a liar based on evidence |
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| 12:26.40 | bagsun | ok it works now :D |
| 12:26.40 | liable | harsh |
| 12:27.07 | wols_ | liable: well, either way he is lying: either it is not vfat and he did format it ext3 or he lied about what mount said |
| 12:27.25 | ian_ | what type should i use. 83 or 85 |
| 12:27.40 | wols_ | ian_: doesn't matter. no one cares about partition types |
| 12:27.52 | wols_ | well, windows does to a degree |
| 12:27.54 | liable | 83 is the usual |
| 12:28.05 | liable | i cant recall 85 |
| 12:28.10 | wols_ | liable: me neither |
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| 12:28.30 | ian_ | ok wols_ |
| 12:28.30 | ian_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:28.35 | ian_ | /dev/hdd1 1 119117 60034936+ 83 Linux |
| 12:28.57 | ian_ | root@saint:/media# mount -t ext3 /dev/hdd1 /media/maxtor -o defaults |
| 12:28.57 | ian_ | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdd1, |
| 12:28.58 | ian_ | :| |
| 12:29.25 | liable | ian_: um, have you made a file system on it? |
| 12:29.25 | ian_ | i just used cfdisk... |
| 12:29.28 | liable | that doesnt make a fs |
| 12:29.32 | ian_ | oh? |
| 12:29.46 | liable | ian_: man mkfs.ext3 |
| 12:29.50 | ian_ | alright |
| 12:29.58 | wols_ | liable: see? I was right :) |
| 12:30.16 | liable | wols_: not a liar, confused, yes :) |
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| 12:30.29 | wols_ | a inadvertent lie is still a lie |
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| 12:30.55 | liable | yes, but calling someone a liar is quite harsh when its unintentional |
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| 12:32.42 | Alam_Debian | ok, anyone good at perl can fill this out? 'rename "limit filename 32.3" *.mid' |
| 12:32.55 | liable | saying 'you lied' in paste tense however doesnt seem so bad |
| 12:33.19 | petemc | why must you turn this into a house of lies! |
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| 12:33.58 | liable | once you have worked out the problem anyway :) |
| 12:34.13 | liable | \oh, and thats all the thanks we get... |
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| 12:34.20 | liable | heh |
| 12:34.35 | ian_ | mke2fs -T /dev/hdd1, right? |
| 12:34.42 | ian_ | er |
| 12:34.44 | ian_ | -T ext3 |
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| 12:35.49 | liable | i think just mkfs.ext3 /dev/foo works |
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| 12:36.47 | ian_ | viola |
| 12:36.58 | ian_ | mke2fs -j -T ext3 /dev/hdd1 did the trick |
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| 12:37.40 | DavidProck1981 | where would ktorrent be installed at |
| 12:37.46 | Eol | ? .. keep getting "GPG error: http://volatile.debian.org etch/volatile Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EC61E0B0BBE55AB3" .. how to fix? |
| 12:38.14 | liable | DavidProck1981: updatedb; locate ktorrent |
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| 12:38.26 | DavidProck1981 | ok |
| 12:38.30 | cast | Eol: my guess is you get the key, and maybe feed it into apt-key |
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| 12:38.37 | judgen_ | i get this problem when i run apt-get update ---> gzip: stdin: not in gzip format |
| 12:38.49 | Eol | apt-key huh .. will man it |
| 12:39.15 | liable | !apt-key EC61E0B0 |
| 12:39.16 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys EC61E0B0 ; gpg --export EC61E0B0 | sudo apt-key add -; |
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| 12:39.42 | daquino | debootstrap is looking for /dev/MAKEDEV which i dont have.. anyone know what it is ? |
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| 12:40.14 | davy | Hi everybody, how can i do for removing kernel's modules (blacklist dont work) ? |
| 12:40.30 | liable | which modules? |
| 12:40.36 | davy | 8139cp |
| 12:40.43 | davy | network (realtek |
| 12:40.58 | Eol | key not found dpkg :) |
| 12:41.00 | liable | where did you blacklist it? |
| 12:41.04 | davy | in fact, 2 modules loaded, but one is in conflict with other |
| 12:41.10 | tuxta | Im thinking about installing etch onto my laptop, but the kernel is not new enought for some of the hardware, is kernel 2.6.21 likely to enter backports any time soon? |
| 12:41.11 | davy | euh |
| 12:41.13 | davy | 2sec |
| 12:41.28 | tuxta | or is it already there? |
| 12:41.39 | davy | /etc/hotplug/blacklist and /etc/modprobes.d/blacklst |
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| 12:41.54 | davy | but it's loaded every boot :§ |
| 12:42.05 | liable | hrm, are those ewer kernel cd's still being made? |
| 12:42.27 | liable | davy: /msg dpkg blacklist |
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| 12:42.45 | outlaw84 | how do you get a new set of /etc/ssh-file?I tryed to reinstall ssh with apt but no new /etc-files where created |
| 12:42.50 | liable | davy: ask about the initrd factoid too (just type it in the query window for dpkg) |
| 12:43.01 | stew | outlaw84: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 12:43.43 | davy | im looking for |
| 12:44.00 | liable | for what? |
| 12:44.11 | davy | lol ... |
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| 12:45.15 | liable | is it kumoto that made those cd's?? |
| 12:45.24 | liable | !sarge 2.6.18 |
| 12:45.24 | dpkg | from memory, sarge 2.6.18 is if you want to run a 2.6.18 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.18-1-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo> or for a sarge install which uses a 2.6.18 kernel, see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2618.htm or d-i-2618-amd64.htm |
| 12:45.50 | liable | !etch 2.6.21 |
| 12:45.54 | davy | liable, thans |
| 12:45.57 | davy | liable, thanks* |
| 12:46.04 | liable | no problem |
| 12:47.25 | outlaw84 | stew: I ran 'apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install ssh' as the help text said and inte did do some reinstall but I didnot get back the files in /etc/ssh/* |
| 12:47.35 | liable | are there daily snapshots yet? |
| 12:47.56 | liable | outlaw84: does the ssh directory exist at all? |
| 12:48.01 | outlaw84 | no |
| 12:48.07 | liable | outlaw84: why oh why did you delete it? |
| 12:48.14 | liable | outlaw84: make that dir and run it again |
| 12:48.24 | outlaw84 | ssh kind of broke and I wanted a reinstall of it |
| 12:49.06 | outlaw84 | I thought it was like any other directory in /etc -> apt could get me a clean one of it |
| 12:49.34 | liable | outlaw84: you cant delete *any* /etc directories without having that problem |
| 12:49.59 | outlaw84 | I did a apt-get --purge remove first |
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| 12:50.41 | outlaw84 | but hum.. that did not delete the files, so the ssh package in not the one creating these files? |
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| 12:51.32 | liable | yes, it is. its a bad thing for apt/dpkg imho. if a dir isnt empty, a purge wont delete the dir |
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| 12:53.53 | stew | outlaw84: the configs are owned by the openssh-server and openssh-client packages |
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| 12:55.57 | outlaw84 | stew: thanks |
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| 12:56.36 | yaeyo | Hi all, I need to synchronize 2 different cyrus-imapd installations. I would use something like imapsync but we do not have the users passwords. Are there any utilities out there for such scenarios? |
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| 12:57.33 | alan_ | how can i see how many threads a process is using? |
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| 13:00.40 | outlaw84 | alan_: pstree -p |
| 13:02.21 | beeyatch | eh, anyone can me me together a one-liner to remove the first and the last line of a file? ;) |
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| 13:03.43 | Slike | i just came across this rights-pattern: "prw-------" . what does the p stand for? |
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| 13:04.09 | sparr | I want to downgrade every package i have to whatever is in my repositories, how? |
| 13:04.14 | cydork | beeyatch: sed '1d;$d' ?? |
| 13:04.36 | wols_ | !downgrade |
| 13:04.36 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
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| 13:04.57 | SlayerXP | beeyatch: tail +2 ht | head -n -1 |
| 13:05.06 | SlayerXP | beeyatch: where "ht" is the filename |
| 13:05.14 | sparr | wols_: can apt-get fetch the downgrade versions? |
| 13:05.31 | wols_ | sparr: what part of !downgrade didn't you understand? |
| 13:05.37 | js_ | how can i add an 85. /32 ip to an interface? |
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| 13:11.05 | beeyatch | SlayerXP: thanks |
| 13:11.10 | beeyatch | cydork: thanks too |
| 13:11.20 | beeyatch | SlayerXP: solutions worked great |
| 13:11.25 | beeyatch | > for i in `ls` ; do tail +2 $i | head -n 1 > blubb/$i ; done |
| 13:12.21 | sparr | wols_: i didnt ask if it could install them, just get them |
| 13:12.44 | kth`` | js_, what's a /32 subnet? |
| 13:13.26 | cydork | beeyatch: you don't like sed :( |
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| 13:14.00 | js_ | beeyatch: what about filenames with spaces in them? |
| 13:14.04 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 13:14.04 | dpkg | < hp_omnifook_2000> sry, i'm still windows-dumb |
| 13:14.17 | js_ | kth``: a single ip, i got an siocaddrt error but im not sure why |
| 13:14.18 | streuner | kth``: http://www.netfilter.org/documentation/HOWTO//networking-concepts-HOWTO-4.html#ss4.1 |
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| 13:14.41 | cydork | beeyatch: also use for i in * |
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| 13:15.13 | streuner | kth``: right :-), i cannot see a /32 either ;-) |
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| 13:16.49 | Xen^ | hello every one |
| 13:17.00 | ootput | hello. have any of you implemented some sort of kernel patch to improve the responsiveness of the debian-packaged kernels? |
| 13:17.14 | Xen^ | we are running a Debian Server that needs to be a ping/fping/host/iputils-scanner. Now we got the problem that server isn´t able to do as many pings per time limit that we need it to do. |
| 13:17.40 | Xen^ | Basically the server is doing about 200-300 pings almost instantly and then slows down a lot speedwise to about 1 ping per second. We don´t know the reason for that, but the server is brand new so we guess that can probably only have something to do with the basic setup of the server (probably a limiting variable). |
| 13:17.53 | Xen^ | can some one help me in this regard ? |
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| 13:18.41 | kth`` | js_, streuner's link will probably explain the point better than I babbling it through irc |
| 13:19.04 | Xen^ | any one ? |
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| 13:19.57 | kth`` | Xen^, try looking at `man ping` |
| 13:20.25 | Xen^ | kth``: the server shows the same behaviour with almost all iputils/dnsutils execs like ping, host, dig, traceroute, etc. |
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| 13:21.58 | liable | Xen^: i would be inclined to balme the card |
| 13:22.05 | kth`` | Xen^, don't have any ideas right now... Could probably check for weird interrupt issues, but that's unlikely |
| 13:22.23 | Xen^ | humm |
| 13:22.25 | Xen^ | okies |
| 13:22.28 | Xen^ | thanks every one :) |
| 13:22.33 | outlaw84 | I am looking for a simple application that can be se to listen on any port and make simple replays |
| 13:22.52 | liable | Xen^: google for issues with the driver for you card |
| 13:23.03 | Xen^ | yes i will do this now |
| 13:23.03 | Xen^ | :) |
| 13:23.22 | outlaw84 | Xen^: are you running the "ping/fping/host/iputils-scanner" commands as root? |
| 13:23.27 | kth`` | outlaw84, replays or replies? Netcat would fit if it's the latter |
| 13:23.28 | Xen^ | yes |
| 13:23.43 | Xen^ | outlaw84: yes |
| 13:23.57 | outlaw84 | kth: as long as the client gets something back |
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| 13:25.43 | kth`` | outlaw84, `nc -l -p 8000 -c 'echo something back'` <- a client connecting to port 8000 would get 'something back' |
| 13:26.20 | shay | hq4ever, shalom Maxim |
| 13:27.17 | RichiH | hrm |
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| 13:27.36 | RichiH | anyone around who could fix mod_rewrite on http://debaday.debian.net ? |
| 13:27.56 | Xen^ | what happen |
| 13:27.56 | Xen^ | ? |
| 13:28.07 | JosefAssad | someone set us up the bomb |
| 13:28.12 | tarzeau | RichiH: they miss feh! |
| 13:28.20 | tarzeau | the simpler and faster image viewer |
| 13:28.22 | RichiH | feh? |
| 13:28.26 | tarzeau | !feh |
| 13:28.26 | dpkg | from memory, feh is the poor man's bah, or an excellent imlib2-based image viewer |
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| 13:29.29 | RichiH | tarzeau: let me quote confuzius |
| 13:29.31 | RichiH | huh? |
| 13:29.46 | tarzeau | RichiH: apt-get install feh ? |
| 13:30.05 | RichiH | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=feh |
| 13:30.46 | streuner | confuzius said "If you want fun in Debian, read man apt-get and man dpkg"? :-P |
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| 13:31.04 | tarzeau | streuner: you can do without dpkg, if packages never fail |
| 13:31.13 | tarzeau | streuner: so man apt-get and apt-cache would be enough |
| 13:32.09 | infester | wouldnt man aptitude be more in time? |
| 13:33.27 | streuner | well, don't know if that has something to do with that, but gallery need i.e. feh in order to show any pictures at all |
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| 13:34.32 | infester | streuner: say what? :) |
| 13:34.37 | streuner | infester: aptitude has a big lobby in Debian, but it cannot hurd to know about apt-get and dpkg |
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| 13:34.51 | infester | no no, ofcourse not |
| 13:34.57 | streuner | â„¢ :-) |
| 13:35.08 | infester | =D |
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| 13:35.47 | streuner | tarzeau: so how is life today? |
| 13:36.27 | streuner | kairu0: Did you read sid faq first? :-) |
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| 13:37.01 | streuner | kairu0: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 13:37.04 | tarzeau | streuner: fine, and yours? |
| 13:37.12 | streuner | tarzeau: thanks |
| 13:37.21 | tarzeau | infester: no, you can do perfectly fine without aptitude, but try to remove apt-get |
| 13:37.26 | tarzeau | infester: it's in the apt package btw |
| 13:37.55 | infester | I'm just saying, apt-get seems to be the past. |
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| 13:38.08 | tarzeau | infester: and i'm saying aptitude has no future |
| 13:38.09 | infester | for users that is |
| 13:38.19 | infester | tarzeau: ;-) |
| 13:38.21 | tarzeau | infester: as in apt-get is the state-of-the-art |
| 13:38.22 | infester | we'll see about that |
| 13:38.31 | cydork | tarzeau: lies! |
| 13:38.48 | tarzeau | infester: apt-get can't be replaced, just like with nethack |
| 13:39.11 | infester | tarzeau: that's still just your opinion |
| 13:39.17 | streuner | jetscreamer: ping |
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| 13:39.31 | tarzeau | infester: yes so? it can be true or not, time will tell. |
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| 13:39.43 | infester | uhm, Yea? |
| 13:39.58 | kairu0 | streuner, yes yes, i know that its unstable. nevertheless everything works beautifully :D |
| 13:40.19 | sparr | how can i find out which of my packages are newer than my repository? |
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| 13:41.10 | tarzeau | sparr: usually you should know that |
| 13:41.37 | sparr | tarzeau: i have amnesia |
| 13:42.00 | tarzeau | sparr: eat some mindflayer corpses :) |
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| 13:42.41 | sparr | It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue. |
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| 13:42.45 | tarzeau | sparr: i had some script for this... |
| 13:43.00 | sparr | seriously though, i need to find my overly-new packages |
| 13:43.03 | sparr | im going to force a downgrade |
| 13:43.09 | tarzeau | sparr: maybe apt-show-versions - lists available package versions with distribution |
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| 13:43.34 | tarzeau | sparr: apt-show-source is interesting |
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| 13:45.09 | Sememmon | Is there a way to specify w/ apt which version of debian you want to run other than the stable/testing/unstable flavors..? iow, older versions? |
| 13:45.22 | tarzeau | Sememmon: you can hold packages? |
| 13:46.10 | Sememmon | Indeed, but I was hoping for something simpler than going through and manually holding a ton of packages =] |
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| 13:46.45 | liable | sure just specify the release |
| 13:47.02 | liable | old-old release will have there own repos though |
| 13:47.05 | sparr | Sememmon: use the "name" of the old release |
| 13:47.26 | Sememmon | woot, that's what I was hoping for |
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| 13:47.46 | Sememmon | thanks you two =] |
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| 13:48.05 | Sememmon | oh and I assume you were referring to the name in apt.conf? |
| 13:49.13 | liable | sources.list |
| 13:49.18 | rdz | hello. i'd like to create an iso-image from a dvd. is it as easy as something like 'dd if=/dev/hdb of=somefile.iso' ? |
| 13:49.26 | jm|laptop | rdz: nearly |
| 13:49.36 | jm|laptop | dd if=/dev/hdb of=somefile.iso bs=1k |
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| 13:49.44 | rdz | jm|laptop, cool. thanks a lot |
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| 13:50.39 | daquino | help |
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| 13:51.06 | kairu0 | is software raid a significant performance hit? |
| 13:51.22 | petemc | no |
| 13:51.23 | Sememmon | liable: So, to clarify, I'd be replacing "stable" in my sources.list with the name of the release .. ie: woody ? |
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| 13:51.45 | liable | http://linux.yyz.us/why-software-raid.html |
| 13:51.48 | liable | Sememmon: yes |
| 13:51.49 | Sememmon | Wee I'm such a debian novice. |
| 13:51.51 | liable | kairu0: ^^^ |
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| 13:51.56 | Sememmon | liable: ty =] |
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| 13:52.38 | liable | Sememmon: but i am not sure if woody is still hosted on the mirros, thus you might need an archive mirror |
| 13:52.41 | kairu0 | liable, thankx |
| 13:53.57 | Sememmon | liable: Hm, how would I know other than to just try it? =] |
| 13:54.21 | liable | !archives |
| 13:54.21 | dpkg | hmm... archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Maybe: http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive or even http://snapshot.debian.net |
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| 13:54.36 | liable | Sememmon: ^^ see the archive one |
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| 13:54.54 | cydork | !ado |
| 13:54.54 | dpkg | Find old Debian releases at http://archive.debian.org/ |
| 13:54.56 | Sememmon | liable: kk. yeah, dselect is 404'ing on an update. |
| 13:55.02 | daquino | does debian not use the 2.6 kernel by default / |
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| 13:55.12 | liable | yes |
| 13:55.13 | dvs | daquino: yes, 4.0 does |
| 13:55.15 | cydork | daquino: from latest stable yes. |
| 13:55.38 | daquino | so would i need to get the unstable debootstrap to use a 2.6 ? |
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| 13:55.54 | dvs | daqqal: huh? |
| 13:56.05 | daquino | i only ask because debootstrap is looking for /dev/MAKEDEV while compiling it... yet my local system uses 2.6 and doens't hav ethe mAKEDEV script anymore |
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| 13:57.57 | davy | hi, my network interface is "renamed", eth0 become eth3, eth1 => eth5, eth2 => eth6, someone knows what can do that ? |
| 13:58.14 | liable | !blame udev |
| 13:58.18 | DawnLight | are there motherboards that officialy support linux? |
| 13:58.47 | davy | DawnLight, speak at me :o ? |
| 13:58.58 | Sememmon | liable: are updatese (mostly security) ever made to archived debian releases? |
| 13:59.26 | xdr | DawnLight: well it sure as hell isn't via who made them in that case |
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| 13:59.55 | DawnLight | davy: no, was just asking |
| 13:59.59 | liable | davy: have a look in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 14:00.47 | davy | DawnLight, ok |
| 14:00.47 | davy | liable, ok :Ã |
| 14:00.47 | davy | :) |
| 14:00.47 | liable | Sememmon: no. once they are older than oldstable, they get no updates at all |
| 14:01.01 | matty_ | I'm having trouble running wine. It worked previously. The only changed I've done was installing nvidia-kernel. http://rafb.net/p/IPHI1c80.html |
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| 14:01.31 | liable | davy: you can move that file elsewhere and reboot and your problem may be fixed. or not. theres some good docs for udev rules in its doc dir |
| 14:02.02 | davy | liable, ok, i'll see that |
| 14:02.04 | davy | ty |
| 14:02.18 | jelly-home | daquino: it debootstrap from stable can't cope with udev, it's a bug (in debootstrap) |
| 14:02.28 | Sememmon | liable: kk, cool deal. so does this look right? deb http://archive.debian.org dists/woody main non-free contrib |
| 14:02.42 | liable | Sememmon: looks good to me |
| 14:02.56 | liable | Sememmon: erm |
| 14:03.17 | daquino | jelly-home: should i try using the new unstable one |
| 14:03.37 | liable | Sememmon: yeah, try it |
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| 14:03.44 | jelly-home | daquino: I'd do that, yes |
| 14:03.58 | Sememmon | liable: 404'ing =] |
| 14:04.02 | Yggdrasil | how do i reverse a patch i applied to src code ? |
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| 14:04.43 | jelly-home | daquino: hope you know about the usual consequences of using packages from unstable ;-) (pulled in dependencies, etc) |
| 14:04.43 | liable | Sememmon: well, seeing as i would have to try it myself, i'll leave it to you to work out the correct url. i am sure theres somewhere that tells you what to use |
| 14:04.57 | jelly-home | Yggdrasil: how did you apply it? |
| 14:05.05 | Yggdrasil | patch -p1 |
| 14:05.07 | Sememmon | liable: kk.. thanks for the help. |
| 14:05.08 | jelly-home | Yggdrasil: man patch (-R) |
| 14:05.23 | Talaturen | Hello, is there any Flash Player for amd64 debian? |
| 14:05.23 | Yggdrasil | thnks |
| 14:05.30 | daquino | jelly-home: im talking about unstable debootstrap package |
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| 14:06.15 | jelly-home | Yggdrasil: usually just add -R to the mix, patch -Rp1 in this case. --dry-run can be useful too |
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| 14:06.21 | Azoff | hello |
| 14:06.46 | Azoff | have anyone seen this problem and know what's wrong with my Debian Etch setup? http://paste.debian.net/28458 |
| 14:07.17 | Azoff | kdm gets realy crapy with black squares all over the screen |
| 14:07.30 | liable | Sememmon: i can ftp to archive.debian.org, so its alive at any rate.. |
| 14:07.37 | Azoff | a restart of the computer and/or a restart of kdm has solved it everytime so far |
| 14:07.40 | Yggdrasil | jelly-home maybe i meant to remove a patch that i applied |
| 14:07.48 | Sememmon | liable: ah, had to remove "dists" |
| 14:08.01 | Yggdrasil | reverse looks like something different |
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| 14:08.50 | Talaturen | so no one here knows if there's any flash player for amd64 debian? :/ |
| 14:09.18 | filipe__ | Talaturen there is no 64bit flash |
| 14:09.29 | Talaturen | okey |
| 14:09.53 | liable | isnt there some wrapper available recently? |
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| 14:11.10 | jelly-home | Yggdrasil: no, that's what -R does. |
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| 14:11.15 | liable | nspluginwrapper |
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| 14:12.41 | Yggdrasil | rok |
| 14:12.43 | Yggdrasil | thnks |
| 14:12.54 | test___ | how do i disallow hotplug of interfaces on boot , i am using nfsboot and i dont want udev trying to mess with the nic |
| 14:14.43 | liable | Talaturen: ^^^ |
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| 14:15.12 | eusto | how do i run a script at startup? |
| 14:15.17 | daquino | jelly-home: would i just be better off doing a real install to a partition and then just chroot'n to it from my main system ? instead of using debootstrap ? |
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| 14:15.33 | liable | eusto: from /etc/rc.local |
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| 14:15.47 | liable | eusto: or man update-rc.d |
| 14:15.57 | eusto | liable, thanks |
| 14:16.01 | liable | eusto: and read /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 14:16.13 | jm|laptop | eek |
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| 14:16.25 | spheard | hey, how do I use rpm's? |
| 14:16.40 | liable | seems to be squeaky |
| 14:16.48 | jm|laptop | :) |
| 14:16.52 | jm|laptop | *swish( |
| 14:17.00 | liable | heh |
| 14:17.10 | cydork | spheard: you don't, at the max you just create them :P |
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| 14:18.35 | Talaturen | liable, thanks I'll try it |
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| 14:20.16 | Yggdrasil | is there any way to add a cmd to execute after my laptop comes out of suspend ? particularly /etc/init.d/networking restart ? |
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| 14:21.07 | jelly-home | daquino: eh, depends on what you're giong to use it for. debootstrapped chroots are leaner, usually |
| 14:21.13 | jelly-home | brb |
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| 14:22.27 | matty_ | I'm having trouble running wine. It was working previously. The only changes I've made to the box was installing nvidia-kernel, which I have already uninstalled. Here's the error when running winecfg: http://rafb.net/p/IPHI1c80.html |
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| 14:30.47 | JosefAssad | Yggdrasil: I know that you can add lines like "RestartServices networking" in /etc/hibernate/hibernate.conf |
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| 14:30.59 | spheard | I have a kernel patch distributed in rpm, how do I get that into debian? |
| 14:31.06 | JosefAssad | Yggdrasil: probably also work for /etc/hibernate/ram.conf etc. |
| 14:31.22 | chop1 | spheard: Into your Debian package, you mean, or into the official Debian package? |
| 14:32.23 | Talaturen | liable, downloaded nspluginwrapper viewer and plugin now and converted to deb and did dpkg, what should I do now to make it work? |
| 14:32.47 | Yggdrasil | josef ill look into it |
| 14:32.50 | spheard | chop1: onto my machine |
| 14:33.22 | chop1 | spheard: Look for the kernel-package documentation |
| 14:33.26 | JosefAssad | Yggdrasil: man hibernate.conf |
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| 14:34.31 | chop1 | spheard: What I'd do is download the kernel sources, patch them by hand, and use make-kpkg to build a custom kernel for yourself with extra crap in the version number |
| 14:34.33 | Yggdrasil | gonna test it now |
| 14:34.35 | Yggdrasil | brb |
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| 14:36.25 | Bombo | hi |
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| 14:36.36 | Talaturen | anyone here that knows how nspluginwrapper work? |
| 14:36.55 | chop1 | !ask |
| 14:36.55 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 14:37.59 | Talaturen | What am I doing wrong?: |
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| 14:38.00 | Talaturen | talaturen:/home/talaturen# nspluginwrapper -i /home/talaturen/Desktop/install_flash_player_9_linux/libflashplayer.so |
| 14:38.00 | Talaturen | *** NSPlugin Viewer *** preloader not found |
| 14:38.01 | Talaturen | nspluginwrapper: no appropriate viewer found for /home/talaturen/Desktop/install_flash_player_9_linux/libflashplayer.so |
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| 14:40.21 | Bombo | i got a problem with apt-get: http://pastebin.ca/500235 it doesnt seem to reget the package if the connection is reset (happens often unfortunately) |
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| 14:40.41 | Bombo | can i force apt-get to retry the download when it fails? |
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| 14:40.56 | Bombo | i mean HOW can i force apt-get to retry the download when it fails |
| 14:41.47 | jm|laptop | Bombo: tries with just apt-get source ? |
| 14:42.14 | jm|laptop | wait |
| 14:42.17 | jm|laptop | that's not what I meant |
| 14:42.21 | Bombo | jm|laptop: ? |
| 14:42.23 | jm|laptop | I meant apt-get -d |
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| 14:42.56 | Bombo | hmmmm |
| 14:43.07 | chop1 | !tell Talaturen about pastebin |
| 14:43.18 | Bombo | why does that help me? |
| 14:43.19 | Talaturen | x_x |
| 14:43.24 | jelly-home | Bombo: hmm, when you start it again it doesn't continue where it left off? |
| 14:43.36 | Bombo | jelly-home: nope |
| 14:43.42 | jelly-home | Bombo: are you using a proxy? |
| 14:43.45 | Bombo | jelly-home: nope |
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| 14:44.00 | tech13 | what is the debian way of starting mysqld_multi on bootup? |
| 14:44.03 | chop1 | Bombo: Why do you get connection resets so frequently? I would think that would cause a wide variety of problems for your system. |
| 14:44.32 | Bombo | chop1: not sure probably the ISP or the dsl modem... |
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| 14:44.49 | Bombo | chop1: no idea on how to find out |
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| 14:45.00 | chop1 | Bombo: :-( |
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| 14:45.16 | jelly-home | Bombo: call your ISP's tech support :-| |
| 14:45.30 | chop1 | Bombo: It takes a particularly invasive ISP or modem to reset your connection spuriously... I'd be more inclined to blame your NAT router if there is one. |
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| 14:45.49 | chop1 | Bombo: But in the absence of a working internet :-), you can try: |
| 14:45.54 | Talaturen | What am I doing wrong with nspluginwrapper? http://pastebin.ca/500246 |
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| 14:46.07 | slacker403 | damn anyone here wanna setup my server ? $$ |
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| 14:46.20 | chop1 | Bombo: while ! apt-get -d install foopkg; done |
| 14:46.29 | chop1 | Bombo: And then do the actual install once that one finishes |
| 14:46.53 | Bombo | chop1: i'm trying to do a dist upgrade from sarge to etch ;) |
| 14:47.36 | chop1 | Bombo: That's fine; it should still work (presumably with 'aptitude' instead of 'apt-get') |
| 14:47.49 | Bombo | i'll have to install maany packages manually then i guess |
| 14:47.50 | chop1 | Bombo: while ! aptitude -d dist-upgrade; done |
| 14:48.03 | chop1 | Bombo: Why? |
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| 14:48.23 | Bombo | chop1: because -d just downloads them? |
| 14:48.37 | SuperTrance | a |
| 14:48.48 | Bombo | 553 upgraded, 262 newly installed, 26 to remove and 4 not upgraded. |
| 14:48.59 | chop1 | Bombo: Yeah, and once it finishes you can do the actual install ('aptitude dist-upgrade'), and because they're already downloaded you won't have problems with your network. |
| 14:49.30 | Bombo | chop1: oh i thought i'd have to use dpkg -i for each one |
| 14:49.37 | chop1 | Bombo: Certainly not :-) |
| 14:49.53 | Bombo | phew ;) ok i guess i'll give it a try then |
| 14:50.19 | chop1 | Bombo: The only reason I separated the two steps was because I assumed you'd want to be around to watch the progress of 'aptitude dist-upgrade', or maybe do it from 'screen' or something. |
| 14:50.30 | chop1 | Bombo: You could do it without the -d if you wanted to be brave |
| 14:51.50 | Talaturen | What am I doing wrong with nspluginwrapper? http://pastebin.ca/500246 |
| 14:52.08 | Bombo | chop1: no the prob is that it doesnt resume if the connection is reset, so it would miss probably important packages i guess |
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| 14:52.52 | chop1 | Bombo: No, the while loop will do the retrying for you. aptitude certainly won't skip a package if it fails to download; it'll just try to download it again when it's run again. |
| 14:53.21 | nir | is there an html viewer that can jump from the cursor on the preview to the same region on the source? |
| 14:53.41 | chop1 | nir: iceweasel has the DOM inspector, which may do something like what you want |
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| 14:54.48 | Sememmon | Hrm.. I think dselect upgraded a bunch of my packages to etch before I realised what was happening.. I'd like to keep everything at woody.. is there an easy way to specify a release version and have all my packages updated (downgraded) to the latest version in that release..? =\ |
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| 14:55.59 | Sememmon | wah.. I hope I don't have to specify versions on all those packages manually ;.; |
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| 14:56.58 | chop1 | Sememmon: Probably better to restore from backup; downgrading Debian releases (especially multiple releases, etch->sarge->woody) is not going to work well |
| 14:57.14 | chop1 | Sememmon: Or suck it up and upgrade to etch :-) |
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| 14:58.43 | dunker | !info gozerbot |
| 14:58.55 | dunker | hmm |
| 14:59.14 | vxp- | here's a stupid question for you guys.. i've a directory where i want to list all files that are older than 24 hours. |
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| 14:59.18 | vxp- | i tried: find . -type f -mtime 1 -exec ls -l {} \; |
| 14:59.22 | nir | chop1 thanks, I am checking it out |
| 14:59.23 | vxp- | but that lists files that are *exactly* 24 hours old |
| 14:59.27 | vxp- | but i need everything thats older than 24 hrs. :) |
| 14:59.29 | dpkg | gozerbot: (An IRC and Jabber bot written in Python), section net, is optional. Version: 0.6.4.2-2 (sid), Packaged size: 255 kB, Installed size: 1480 kB |
| 14:59.29 | vxp- | any suggestions? |
| 15:01.55 | chop1 | vxp-: find . -type f -mtime +1 |
| 15:01.55 | Sememmon | chop1: Hrm, would be nice if I had a backup. =] Erf.. was I at sarge or woody.. I forget.. |
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| 15:01.56 | vxp- | chop1, thx |
| 15:01.56 | SandraKay | is there a tool to creat .swf´s |
| 15:01.57 | slacker403 | whats the main repos i should have in my souces.list ? |
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| 15:01.58 | chop1 | slacker403: http.<cc>.debian.org, where <cc> is your country code (e.g. "us", "br", etc.) |
| 15:02.03 | Sememmon | chop1: How about just etch->sarge? I think I was at sarge.. not woody.. |
| 15:02.18 | slacker403 | deb http://us.debian.org ?? |
| 15:02.23 | chop1 | Sememmon: It's not going to be a smooth transition, let me put it that way. |
| 15:02.28 | chop1 | Sememmon: Probably better just to ugprade. |
| 15:02.51 | slacker403 | my sources.list got erased |
| 15:03.16 | chop1 | !tell slacker403 about sources.list |
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| 15:03.29 | Sememmon | chop1: Hm, I'd rather not mess with my kernel version or NAT settings though.. any way I can upgrade and avoid that? |
| 15:04.03 | Sememmon | I really would rather be running the latest stable.. but I don't want to have to reconfigure everything either and some of this stuff is kinda old. ^_^' |
| 15:04.16 | Sememmon | 2.2 kernel.. |
| 15:04.16 | slacker403 | chop1: so in my sources.list deb http://us.debian.org/debian etch ?? |
| 15:04.43 | chop1 | slacker403: Just read the bot message, man. |
| 15:04.48 | slacker403 | i did |
| 15:04.50 | chop1 | Sememmon: Oof |
| 15:04.55 | slacker403 | i was jus chekcing to see if thats right |
| 15:05.05 | Sememmon | chop1: Indeed. |
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| 15:05.21 | chop1 | slacker403: What's in the bot message is right. |
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| 15:05.41 | Sememmon | chop1: I'm open to suggestions =] |
| 15:06.01 | slacker403 | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free |
| 15:06.04 | slacker403 | hope that works |
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| 15:06.23 | chop1 | Sememmon: Well, let me put it this way: You're going to have to upgrade someday. If you try to downgrade today, you'll have a big bloody mess. Then, someday, you'll have to ugprade, and do all that reconfiguration. |
| 15:06.32 | chop1 | Sememmon: If you ugprade today, you'll just have the reconfiguration :-0 |
| 15:06.33 | chop1 | :-) |
| 15:06.33 | Sememmon | Hehe.. |
| 15:06.39 | Sememmon | True.. |
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| 15:07.34 | slacker403 | how do i update my system :) |
| 15:07.40 | slacker403 | apt-get update ? |
| 15:07.46 | cast | upgrade |
| 15:07.54 | slacker403 | and what about distro ? |
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| 15:08.01 | slacker403 | im o sarge now |
| 15:08.03 | slacker403 | on* |
| 15:08.25 | cast | update entries in /etc/apt/sources.list from sarge to etch |
| 15:08.29 | chop1 | slacker403: Stay on sarge until you feel like upgrading, then change it to 'etch' and read the release notes. |
| 15:08.36 | cydork | slacker403: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 15:08.39 | amphi | slacker403: update and dst-upgrade, having adjusted your sources.list if necessary |
| 15:08.44 | slacker403 | i already chaged |
| 15:08.47 | slacker403 | sources |
| 15:08.49 | amphi | *dist-upgrade |
| 15:08.54 | slacker403 | and ran apt-get update |
| 15:09.03 | chop1 | slacker403: Read the release notes, then, for exactly how to proceed. |
| 15:09.03 | cydork | slacker403: make sure you read the release notes first. |
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| 15:09.19 | Sememmon | chop1: Thanks for the advice. I've got an old proliant in the garage that I think I'll go ahead and swap out for the P200 that's my current debian boxy. ;) I've been putting that off forever.. sounds like now's the time. |
| 15:09.22 | amphi | slacker403: then apt-get dist-upgrade (although I believe aptitiude is recommended) |
| 15:09.54 | slacker403 | i already ran it in apt-=get :( |
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| 15:09.57 | chop1 | Sememmon: It's not a pain in the ass, it's an adventure :-) |
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| 15:10.32 | chop1 | slacker403: apt-get update is the same as aptitude update. upgrade and dist-upgrade are not the same. |
| 15:10.44 | slacker403 | i rna upgrade first |
| 15:10.57 | slacker403 | now running dist-upgrade |
| 15:10.58 | chop1 | slacker403: Well, you should have read the release notes, shouldn't you have? :-) |
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| 15:11.24 | slacker403 | yea |
| 15:11.25 | slacker403 | :( |
| 15:11.28 | slacker403 | but i think its working ;) |
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| 15:11.48 | slacker403 | lol |
| 15:12.08 | slacker403 | lol |
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| 15:17.29 | test___ | how do i disallow hotplug of interfaces on boot , i am using nfsboot and i dont want udev trying to mess with the nic |
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| 15:20.45 | slacker403 | how cna i check my version now ? |
| 15:21.36 | amphi | slacker403: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 15:22.32 | slacker403 | 4.0 |
| 15:22.36 | slacker403 | thats etch right ? |
| 15:22.40 | Thms | how to see a list of my opened screens ? with screen ? c-a ? |
| 15:22.53 | chop1 | slacker403: Yes |
| 15:22.53 | Deepa | ps aux | grep screen? |
| 15:23.00 | slacker403 | kk hope it restarts fine |
| 15:23.07 | chop1 | Thms: screen -r will do it, if you have more than one |
| 15:23.15 | chop1 | Thms: Otherwise it'll, well, reattach :-) |
| 15:23.28 | Thms | chop1: no, to see in screen the list of the vt opened ? |
| 15:23.34 | cydork | Thms: screen C-a " ? |
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| 15:23.46 | Thms | cydork: thanks |
| 15:23.48 | chop1 | Thms: I don't understand the question. |
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| 15:24.05 | Thms | chop1: it was c-a " :) |
| 15:24.13 | chop1 | Thms: Ah. Carry on, then :-). |
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| 15:27.03 | Sememmon | chop1: You're more than welcome to set it up if you'd like. =] Feel free to swing by any time and move the proliant in to my office.. its a heavy beast. Might wanna bring a had truck thinger. |
| 15:27.04 | Sememmon | hand* |
| 15:27.05 | slacker403 | how do i clean out old packages or cash or w/e ? |
| 15:27.21 | Sememmon | apt-get clean? |
| 15:28.32 | slacker403 | thanks |
| 15:29.25 | solemnwarning | Does dhcp3-server add DNS records to BIND for fixed leases or only dynamic ones? |
| 15:31.55 | jm|laptop | good question |
| 15:32.05 | jm|laptop | what do you mean by 'adds to bind' ?! |
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| 15:32.39 | jelly-home | jm|laptop: DDNS... clients can add their hostname to the zone |
| 15:32.46 | jm|laptop | sure |
| 15:32.48 | solemnwarning | DHCP can add DNS records to a nameserver for dynamic leases.... |
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| 15:33.33 | jelly-home | whoever thought of that was a sick person |
| 15:33.42 | Sememmon | llol.. why? =] |
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| 15:33.56 | jm|laptop | isn't the hostname is set by DHCP anyway? |
| 15:33.59 | jm|laptop | dhcpd |
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| 15:34.17 | solemnwarning | jm|laptop: I think it can be, but normally it's set by the client |
| 15:34.22 | jm|laptop | ddns-update-style ad-hoc; |
| 15:34.23 | jm|laptop | hmm |
| 15:34.47 | jelly-home | jm|laptop: I think client says "my name is foo", don't rememeber the attribute used |
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| 15:43.48 | DawnLight | is there some place like newegg where there's that "power search" feature? |
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| 15:44.51 | IronMaiden | hi |
| 15:45.23 | IronMaiden | is there a possibility to get my Nikon Digicam reconized |
| 15:45.56 | petemc | IronMaiden: tried gphoto2 ? |
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| 15:46.13 | slacker403 | how do i add ip's |
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| 15:46.18 | slacker403 | to my server |
| 15:46.29 | petemc | slacker403: /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 15:46.46 | IronMaiden | ok,i´ll try it out thanx |
| 15:46.58 | slacker403 | how do i add more though ? |
| 15:47.17 | petemc | slacker403: can you be more specific? |
| 15:47.20 | slacker403 | i got like 5 ip's |
| 15:47.27 | sepski | SlackDeb, add stancas called eth0:1 (identical to the first, but with different ip and without the gateway line) |
| 15:47.31 | slacker403 | i need my interface to reconize all of them |
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| 15:47.38 | petemc | slacker403: you can use ip aliases , adding entries for eth0:1 eth0:2 etc |
| 15:47.40 | sepski | !ipalias |
| 15:47.40 | dpkg | methinks ipalias is at /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-txt/IP-Alias.gz which is in the doc-linux-* packages |
| 15:47.41 | slacker403 | so i can use them |
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| 15:48.06 | Octopus | What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running |
| 15:48.10 | Octopus | kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] |
| 15:48.12 | slacker403 | peterrus: could you help me out with that ? |
| 15:48.15 | stew | !ipalias is also see examples in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz |
| 15:48.15 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 15:48.15 | Octopus | The path "/usr/src/linux/include" is not an existing directory. |
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| 15:48.18 | Octopus | Any idea what I should do now? |
| 15:48.22 | Octopus | I'm trying to install vmware on debian |
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| 15:48.41 | petemc | slacker403: its just the same as other entries in the interfaces files, except the name (eth0:1) |
| 15:48.45 | solemnwarning | Octopus: /usr/include/linux |
| 15:48.46 | stew | Octopus: that's correct, you shouldn't have such a directory |
| 15:49.03 | solemnwarning | And why vmware? |
| 15:49.05 | slacker403 | peterrus: it just says auto eth0 |
| 15:49.16 | stew | Octopus: if it is looking for kenrel headers it should be looking in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build |
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| 15:49.26 | Octopus | solemnwarning: Why should one use vmware? |
| 15:49.27 | peterrus | slacker403, please, mind you tab usage |
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| 15:49.39 | petemc | slacker403: look at the file stew mentioned |
| 15:49.46 | solemnwarning | Xen :) |
| 15:50.10 | Octopus | stew: ok |
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| 15:51.20 | morvok | anyone know of a good doc that explains howto add raid0 to a raid1 array? |
| 15:51.47 | slacker403 | how do i get the netmask of an ip ;) ? |
| 15:52.13 | stew | slacker403: an ip doesn't have a netmask, a network does |
| 15:52.22 | petemc | slacker403: i would guess you have a /29 , in which case it 255.255.255.248 |
| 15:52.31 | stew | slacker403: if you new all of the possible ips you could make a guess |
| 15:52.51 | Octopus | stew: The path "/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-amd64" is an existing directory, but it does not |
| 15:52.54 | Octopus | contain a "linux" subdirectory as expected. |
| 15:52.58 | slacker403 | hmmmmm |
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| 15:53.16 | slacker403 | isnt their a way to automatically somehow add an ip ;) instead of manually eidtig this fil e |
| 15:53.22 | petemc | slacker403: no |
| 15:53.31 | petemc | well, you can use ifconfig... |
| 15:53.57 | slacker403 | hmm i seee |
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| 15:54.06 | slacker403 | whats a better wya of doing it ? |
| 15:54.06 | petemc | slacker403: the syntax for the interfaces file is trivial, make some effort |
| 15:54.12 | slacker403 | yea i am ;) |
| 15:54.17 | slacker403 | but i got a bunch i need to add |
| 15:54.26 | petemc | slacker403: you said 5? |
| 15:54.28 | S4nD3r | Hi there, I have a question about DVD recorder |
| 15:54.44 | slacker403 | well |
| 15:54.45 | slacker403 | 5 for now |
| 15:54.47 | S4nD3r | I never read a DVD disk in my linux box. |
| 15:54.50 | slacker403 | about 50 in all |
| 15:55.09 | slacker403 | 2ndlt i dont know the netmask or the broadcast ip etc |
| 15:55.09 | S4nD3r | The drive worked fine in windows xp box |
| 15:55.22 | petemc | slacker403: then you need to go find that stuff out, or theres no point trying to use the ips |
| 15:55.25 | stew | Octopus: i wouldnt' expect it to have a linux subdirectory. i'd expect it to have a "build" symlink if you have installed linux-headers-2.6.18-4-amd64 |
| 15:55.51 | slacker403 | peterrus: what do you mean......there was jus a tol i used ot use on slackware to do it for me |
| 15:55.59 | slacker403 | jus never did it before |
| 15:56.32 | peterrus | slacker403, please mind you tab usage |
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| 15:56.52 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 15:56.53 | petemc | slacker403: my nick is petemc , there was a tool called etherconf, im not sure its still relevant or suitable for your needs - editing a text file isnt hard.. |
| 15:57.24 | HardDisk_WP | does anyone know a driver for the epson c64 which supports networking? the official driver needs local connection, and it's source pkg is broken |
| 15:57.25 | slacker403 | i understand that it look very easy |
| 15:57.34 | S4nD3r | I dont know what to do |
| 15:57.35 | slacker403 | but if i get the netmask wrong or the gateway ip whatss the point |
| 15:57.45 | petemc | ... |
| 15:57.49 | S4nD3r | How to test my DVD drive? |
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| 15:58.03 | slacker403 | how can i get the gateway of an ip ? |
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| 15:58.07 | petemc | S4nD3r: try to use it? |
| 15:58.19 | petemc | slacker403: ask the person providing those ips |
| 15:58.26 | S4nD3r | Ok, I put a DVD but nothing happens |
| 15:58.31 | chop1 | slacker403: Did you use DHCP before? |
| 15:58.34 | Octopus | stew: http://www.pastebin.ca/500389 |
| 15:58.34 | slacker403 | well i got lik 10 ip';s one is added |
| 15:58.39 | Octopus | That is what is in that dir |
| 15:58.46 | S4nD3r | Media not found, this is the error |
| 15:58.47 | slacker403 | would the gateway be the same for all ip's ? |
| 15:59.03 | stew | Octopus: what does this have to do with anythign? |
| 15:59.20 | S4nD3r | /dev/hdb /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0 |
| 15:59.24 | S4nD3r | This is in fstab |
| 15:59.25 | stew | 10:48 < stew> Octopus: if it is looking for kenrel headers it should be looking in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build |
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| 15:59.31 | Octopus | I'm not sure what you mean with "build" symlink |
| 15:59.37 | slacker403 | chop1: i guess it uses dhcp for the main ip |
| 15:59.42 | stew | Octopus: do you know what a symlink is? |
| 15:59.44 | slacker403 | but i got 5 more at the time being i need to add |
| 15:59.46 | Octopus | sure |
| 16:00.05 | S4nD3r | ? |
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| 16:00.19 | petemc | S4nD3r: try to mount it |
| 16:00.35 | chop1 | slacker403: I think you should try to get the first IP working, then move on to the others. |
| 16:00.36 | stew | Octopus: /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build should be a symlink to /usr/src/linux-headers-$(uanme -r) which would include the include directory it should be looking for if you have the -headers package installed for that kernel |
| 16:00.59 | slacker403 | chop1: first ip is already working |
| 16:01.02 | chop1 | slacker403: Okay |
| 16:01.09 | chop1 | slacker403: You don't need gateways for any other IPs |
| 16:01.16 | slacker403 | it was alrady in the interfaces file |
| 16:01.18 | S4nD3r | I tried |
| 16:01.19 | chop1 | slacker403: You should only have one interface with a gateway anyway |
| 16:01.23 | slacker403 | oh |
| 16:01.25 | h3sp4wn | Did anyone manage to get the sata_nv ncq patch that was recently announced working ? |
| 16:01.25 | S4nD3r | Media not found is the error |
| 16:01.29 | slacker403 | how about netmask ? |
| 16:01.35 | petemc | slacker403: dont try to guess, ive been given non consecutive ips before - why wont you just ask? |
| 16:01.52 | HardDisk_WP | does anyone know a driver for the epson c64 which supports networking? the official driver needs local connection, and it's source pkg is broken |
| 16:01.56 | slacker403 | does the netmask matter ? |
| 16:02.01 | stew | slacker403: yes |
| 16:02.05 | slacker403 | also i dont need no broadcast ip either right ? |
| 16:02.08 | slacker403 | lol |
| 16:02.11 | slacker403 | sorry jeese |
| 16:02.21 | stew | slacker403: no, you don't need broadcast or network unless you are doing something non-standard |
| 16:02.25 | slacker403 | was jus trying to get all these setup real quick |
| 16:02.35 | slacker403 | ok |
| 16:02.41 | slacker403 | so last thing is netmask then |
| 16:03.13 | chop1 | slacker403: Well, if _you_ don't know your networking information, how are we supposed to? :-/ |
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| 16:03.27 | S4nD3r | ?? |
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| 16:03.47 | Octopus | stew: In that directory there is no such symlink called "build" which links to the path that you defined. |
| 16:03.53 | Octopus | How can I get this ? |
| 16:03.57 | S4nD3r | How to check the DVD drive is installed correctelly?? |
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| 16:04.26 | slacker403 | chop1: how wiill i go about finding the netamsk ? so my new ip;s can work ? |
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| 16:04.31 | stew | Octopus: is the headers package installed? |
| 16:04.47 | chop1 | slacker403: Ask your ISP or whoever is providing the IPs |
| 16:04.54 | slacker403 | for netmask ? |
| 16:04.55 | Octopus | ii linux-kernel-headers 2.6.18-7 Linux Kernel Headers for development |
| 16:04.57 | albert | hi, i'm about to try out debian. i'm really unsure about the huge amount of available cds and i can't find a proper answer in the doc. is there some page, where i can find an answer to this? |
| 16:04.58 | S4nD3r | hdb: HL-DT-STDVD-RAM GSA-H20N, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive |
| 16:05.10 | stew | Octopus: that package has nothing to do with this |
| 16:05.24 | chop1 | slacker403: Yes. I suspect they'll be the same as your other IP, but you really should talk to your ISP about your networking information instead of getting people on IRC to guess for you... |
| 16:05.30 | slacker403 | chop1: i got my netmask for my main ip |
| 16:05.32 | S4nD3r | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:05.33 | Octopus | stew: For which package should I look ? |
| 16:05.52 | stew | 10:55 < stew> Octopus: i wouldnt' expect it to have a linux subdirectory. i'd expect it to have a "build" symlink if you have installed linux-headers-2.6.18-4-amd64 |
| 16:06.10 | S4nD3r | Everything looks good about my DVD drive |
| 16:06.43 | Octopus | stew: Meaning? I just have to make that symlink? |
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| 16:07.37 | stew | Octopus: no, the package will make that symlink for you |
| 16:07.44 | Octopus | ok works now |
| 16:07.47 | Octopus | tx |
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| 16:09.35 | Octopus | stew: I installed that package and supplied the link : /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-amd64/b |
| 16:09.39 | Octopus | -b |
| 16:09.43 | Micromus | i have debian4-stable, which grub version does it use? 2 or legacy? |
| 16:09.56 | Octopus | but it still says that the required dir inside couldn't be found |
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| 16:12.09 | Talaturen | Hello, I just downloaded JRE for amd64 the RPM one and the file name of it ends on .bin instead of .rpm but I tried to alien -c it anyway but it seems like it wont work, is there any other way I can do this? |
| 16:12.39 | stew | Talaturen: aptitude install sun-java5-jre ; its in non-free: /msg dpkg non-free |
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| 16:12.59 | stew | Talaturen: or /msg dpkg java-package |
| 16:13.10 | slacker403 | wheres th ssh config file ? |
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| 16:13.28 | infester | Talaturen: chmod +x filename;./filename |
| 16:13.39 | stew | slacker403: /etc/ssh/ |
| 16:13.49 | stew | slacker403: sshd_config or ssh_config for server / client |
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| 16:14.06 | stew | infester: that would not be recommended |
| 16:14.07 | Octopus | stew: Any idea? |
| 16:14.12 | slacker403 | i need to have my SSH listen on my master ip |
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| 16:14.59 | Thms | can I use my .config of my genkernel kernel for compile my kernel without genkernel ? |
| 16:15.15 | stew | Octopus: about what? |
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| 16:15.43 | CelticSoul | guys, please help, my friend did something to her computer and now gcc, apt-get (and a lot of other stuff) not working any more |
| 16:15.44 | Octopus | but it still says that the required dir inside couldn't be found |
| 16:15.46 | h3sp4wn | Thms: wrong channel ? |
| 16:15.47 | cahoot | Thms: sounds like a matter for #gentoo |
| 16:15.47 | stew | Octopus: if something is looking for a /usr/src/linux directory, it is broken |
| 16:15.50 | Micromus | Does Debian use Grub2 or Grub Legacy? |
| 16:16.04 | rking | CelticSoul: You're going to have to be a lot more specific than that. |
| 16:16.11 | Thms | sorry |
| 16:16.11 | petemc | Micromus: legacy, tho grub2 is available in sid i think |
| 16:16.11 | stew | Octopus: and it should be fixed. the correct directory is /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build ; this is made explicit in the README in the kenrel sources |
| 16:16.24 | Octopus | I filled that dir in.. |
| 16:16.28 | Octopus | like I just said |
| 16:16.36 | h3sp4wn | Micromus: Its only in experimental - is there a specific reason you need grub2 |
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| 16:16.46 | CelticSoul | I her she said she recompiled the kernel |
| 16:16.55 | slacker403 | how do i restart ssh ? |
| 16:16.56 | slacker403 | :) |
| 16:17.05 | Talaturen | infernix, the error I get is: Unknown type of package, /home/talaturen/Desktop/jre-6u1-linux-amd64-rpm.bin. |
| 16:17.07 | slacker403 | /etc/sshd restart :) |
| 16:17.08 | slacker403 | ? |
| 16:17.09 | amphi | CelticSoul: heh - does she still have the old kernel? |
| 16:18.28 | stew | slacker403: /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 16:18.30 | CelticSoul | no |
| 16:18.30 | Micromus | h3sp4wn: i need something that works, and the one in debian4 doesnt :) |
| 16:18.31 | h3sp4wn | Micromus: using EFI or something ? |
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| 16:19.49 | simonrvn | !wb abrotman_ |
| 16:19.49 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! abrotman_ has returned! |
| 16:19.49 | Micromus | <- n00b, i have a mbr and /boot on my usb stick, but grub wont load from it, giving me error 15 |
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| 16:19.51 | h3sp4wn | Micromus: That is mis configuration, the grub in etch can do that |
| 16:19.59 | simonrvn | and a laggy dpkg |
| 16:20.15 | Micromus | I've tried for two weeks now, and today I reinstalled the whole thing using the GUI Installer, still nothing |
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| 16:21.31 | rking | CelticSoul: a rescue disk should be good enough - just pop it in, dpkg -i a decent kernel .deb, and it should fix the kernel troubles |
| 16:21.41 | dragonriot | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:22.07 | hon | I have openoffice.org-gtk. when I I ooimpress it soon crashes (e.g.: if I create an empty document and add 3 slides. it might be something about the page thumbnails on the left) |
| 16:22.34 | Micromus | h3sp4wn: GRUB loading stage 1.5 \n\n\n GRUB loading, please wait... \n Error 15 |
| 16:22.44 | Micromus | thats it, no menus or prompts or anything |
| 16:22.46 | hon | is there anybody here using openoffice.org impress with gtk-integration successfully? |
| 16:22.50 | chop1 | !tell hon about bts |
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| 16:24.03 | mick_linux | anyone know of a tool that will strip text out of pdfs? |
| 16:24.03 | h3sp4wn | Micromus: Try installing it manually - read a howto on it |
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| 16:24.13 | mick_linux | i'm hoping that ghostscript can do that |
| 16:25.27 | infester | stew: why wouldnt he? |
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| 16:25.31 | infester | it's a binary? =) |
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| 16:26.00 | stew | infester: why wouldn't who whaat? |
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| 16:26.13 | infester | chmod +x file;./file |
| 16:26.22 | infester | sry, was away eating :) |
| 16:26.29 | Micromus | h3sp4wn: thats what ive done, alot :\ |
| 16:26.32 | stew | infester: becuase he should use the debian pacakges instead of the sun installer |
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| 16:26.47 | stew | infester: or he should create his own debian packages with java-package |
| 16:27.00 | cockroach | hi. i can't seem to figure out how to use make-kpkg with pbuilder. is there some documentation about that out there i just didn't manage to find? |
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| 16:27.14 | infester | oh, jaja, he should know how to deal with binaries anyway ^^ |
| 16:27.15 | Talaturen | stew, seems like your way didn't work :\ |
| 16:27.20 | stew | Talaturen: be more specific |
| 16:27.24 | Talaturen | sec |
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| 16:27.48 | Talaturen | i did: talaturen:/home/talaturen# aptitude install sun-java5-jre |
| 16:27.53 | Talaturen | and it couldn't find it |
| 16:28.21 | stew | Talaturen: did you add non-free sources? |
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| 16:28.39 | stew | Talaturen: /msg dpkg non-free |
| 16:28.43 | hon | chop1: sure, but if I hear about a success story I would be relieved, and try to strace, and report a bug. If not, well, there are plenty of other tools. |
| 16:28.46 | Talaturen | ah |
| 16:28.48 | stew | Talaturen: what version of debian are you running? |
| 16:28.53 | Talaturen | 4 |
| 16:29.07 | Talaturen | (amd64, netinst, stable) |
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| 16:30.00 | chop1 | hon: Whether or not it's working for others, if it's not working for you it's a bug... Debian maintainers often appreciate hearing about bugs. |
| 16:30.03 | amerej | if i create a sid chroot system will both services (from my stable and sid chrooted system) run ? |
| 16:30.06 | chop1 | hon: Who knows, it might even get fixed :-) |
| 16:30.22 | chop1 | amerej: Only the one from the non-chrooted system will run automatically when you boot |
| 16:30.37 | amerej | and when the others will run ? |
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| 16:30.51 | chop1 | amerej: They'll only run if you chroot and then start them manually |
| 16:30.56 | amerej | eg. i wanna run an apache from the sid and all the other services from stable |
| 16:31.06 | spheard | http://rafb.net/p/nOxrvo12.html Can anyone shed any light as to whats going on here, Im trying to patch my kernel. Im using the instructions found here: http://wiki.openvz.org/Kernel_build#Rebuilding_kernel_from_sources |
| 16:31.11 | hon | is there a channel where there are plenty of people using unstable? |
| 16:31.15 | chop1 | amerej: Disable apache in the outside system, chroot, /etc/init.d/apache start |
| 16:31.20 | chop1 | hon: This one? :-) |
| 16:31.59 | cast | spheard: not that i'm saying to use something else...but you know vserver is offically supported right? :> |
| 16:32.20 | chop1 | amerej: You can put that sequence in the local rc script (/etc/rc.local possibly; I don't remember exactly) if you want it to happen automatically |
| 16:33.15 | amerej | now something else :P im going to install a second kernel and i want to use it only with sid, so im gonna make an option to grub to load with that kernel. is it possible to make that option to chroot automatically to sid ? |
| 16:33.16 | Nielsen | spheard where are your kernel sources? |
| 16:33.16 | spheard | cast: dont know it, Ive spent too long on openVZ......Just trying to get it working on sparc |
| 16:33.37 | amerej | just gimme a clue im gonna google for the exact procedure |
| 16:33.45 | spheard | Nielsen: /usr/src/kernel-2.6.18/ |
| 16:33.55 | hon | chop1: thanks. will try to produce a trace. |
| 16:33.58 | CelticSoul | can a nonconfig package effect apt-get? |
| 16:34.04 | Nielsen | spheard: ok, then where is /usr/src/kernel-2.6.18/Makefile ? |
| 16:34.48 | spheard | Nielsen: ah... |
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| 16:35.24 | Nielsen | spheard: tar jxvf linux-2.6.18.tar.bz2 |
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| 16:36.01 | Nielsen | spheard: its not enough to download the tarball, you need to extract it before use ;) |
| 16:36.03 | test___ | i added a module to /etc/modules , rebooted and it didnt load |
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| 16:36.18 | soenke | hi dudes |
| 16:36.30 | Nielsen | test___: did you run update-modules ? |
| 16:36.48 | spheard | Nielsen: I did, thats what created /usr/src/kernel-2.6.18 |
| 16:37.00 | soenke | there are many ipsec implementations in the wild. what's the best / most stable for kernel 2.6 / debian etch? |
| 16:37.03 | spheard | I downloaded the tarball to usr/src |
| 16:37.06 | spheard | weird |
| 16:37.10 | test___ | never mind i misspeled the module name |
| 16:37.14 | Nielsen | spheard: no, kernel source folders are named linux-2.6.18 |
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| 16:37.42 | spheard | Nielsen: hmmmm |
| 16:37.54 | soenke | i see: openswan / isakpmd / kame |
| 16:38.29 | Nielsen | spheard: cd /usr/src ; tar jxvf kernel-2.6.18/linux-2.6.18.tar.bz2 |
| 16:38.30 | spheard | Nielsen: sorry for being dumb, never fiddled with the kernel before. |
| 16:38.46 | Nielsen | spheard: is quite alright, we were all noobs at one point |
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| 16:39.21 | Nielsen | spheard: at least you keep trying, thats the right path to getting it right ;) |
| 16:39.45 | spheard | Nielsen::-) |
| 16:40.35 | spheard | Nielsen: you know Im doing this on sparc right? |
| 16:41.03 | Nielsen | spheard: that doesnt change the way the kernel is archived in the tarball ;) |
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| 16:42.10 | spheard | Nielsen: groovy |
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| 16:43.22 | hon | aptitude install gtk-doc-tools wants to install apache and docbook-xsl. aptitude install gtk-doc-tools docbook-xsl, does not. (and I am puzzled) |
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| 16:45.22 | spheard | Nielsen: okay, now its working |
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| 16:46.19 | spheard | Nielsen: where do I find my old config file for the kernel compile? |
| 16:46.22 | cast | uh, say i just created a partition, sda3, how do i get that to come up on /dev without rebooting? |
| 16:46.38 | tsurko | hello, what's is a possible reson for not to have tc as command ot a linux box? |
| 16:46.44 | spheard | Nielsen:http://forum.openvz.org/index.php?t=tree&th=2542&mid=13146&&rev=&reveal= |
| 16:46.55 | Nielsen | spheard: i have no idea.. find / -name .config ? |
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| 16:47.21 | cast | tsurko: i didn't understand, tc? |
| 16:47.26 | test___ | how do i pass module options to compiled in the kernel drivers |
| 16:47.28 | krazykit | tsurko, maybe you don't have whatever package provides tc? |
| 16:47.38 | test___ | maybe in kernel boot in grub |
| 16:47.40 | tsurko | tc - traffic control - it's part of the kernel i think |
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| 16:47.54 | spheard | Nielsen: its the kernel configuration file |
| 16:48.37 | tsurko | i'm on a debian lenny at the moment and here is no tc, but on a sid machine there is. |
| 16:49.03 | Nielsen | spheard: yeah, its usually named .config or something like it |
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| 16:49.44 | krazykit | tsurko, tc has been around since linux-2.2, so i'm sure you're just missing the proper package |
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| 16:50.34 | sobersab1e | hi. plz help me to understand what lags my NFS. |
| 16:50.54 | rahul | !find bin/tc |
| 16:51.01 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/tc' (10 of 36): (/sbin/tc) in net/iproute ;; (/usr/bin/tcs) in text/tcs ;; (/usr/bin/tcd) in sound/tcd ;; (/usr/bin/tcng) in net/tcng ;; (/usr/bin/tcc) in devel/tcc ;; (/usr/bin/tcal) in utils/gcal ;; (/usr/bin/tcpsvd) in net/ipsvd ;; (/usr/bin/tcscid) in games/scid ;; (/usr/bin/tcpser) in net/tcpser ;; (/usr/bin/tcpstat) in net/tcpstat. |
| 16:51.04 | sobersab1e | I have played with /etc/host.conf, /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 16:51.12 | rahul | !penixstrike dpkg |
| 16:51.12 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking dpkg to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
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| 16:51.45 | tsurko | krazykit, do you mean that in 2.6 there is annother tool, that do this job, or I just have to install a package? |
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| 16:51.56 | rahul | tsurko: it means you need to install something to have it |
| 16:52.10 | rahul | release doesn't matter if you don't have the package installed, it's in iproute |
| 16:52.10 | sobersab1e | I have also tried to play with server conf. it currently runs only on UDP. |
| 16:52.16 | sobersab1e | still clients lag. |
| 16:52.19 | tsurko | rahul, thank you |
| 16:52.31 | sobersab1e | uptime shows low CPU/IO utilization, low load average. |
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| 16:52.54 | sobersab1e | hell, I have no idea what lags my NFS, especially that before Etch upgrade it worked fine. |
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| 16:53.26 | sobersab1e | clients are rh7,8,9, rhel3, debian. |
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| 16:54.03 | hardlined | anyone know of a wireless roaming utility? |
| 16:54.17 | sudo_maddash | kismet |
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| 16:54.40 | Eol | don't use it |
| 16:54.51 | Eol | use aircrack-ng |
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| 16:55.04 | Eol | kismet isn't up to par anymore .. at least until kismet-ng is out |
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| 16:55.11 | h3sp4wn | wpa_supplicant handles roaming fine |
| 16:55.13 | hardlined | one that sits on top of the networking layer and controls roaming from ap to ap, when there is a stronger signal found, not when the previous signal is dropped |
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| 16:55.37 | Kyusswren | Alright, got a hypothetical question. |
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| 16:55.53 | sudo_maddash | I linked two boxes directly with a CAT5 cable. ssh authentication from either box into the other is horribly slow -- any ideas why? |
| 16:56.23 | Kyusswren | Now lets say I had injected somebody with a paralyzing nuerotoxin and wanted to sell their organs on the black market... how exactly would I go about that? |
| 16:56.25 | Eol | ti shouldn't be regardless but check your ports |
| 16:56.33 | Eol | e..g make sure you aren't 10mb half tuplex |
| 16:56.36 | Eol | duplex even |
| 16:56.44 | Eol | though SSH should be fast even at that |
| 16:57.01 | sidfn | ethtool mii-tool.. |
| 16:57.29 | cahoot | sudo_maddash: hostname lookup error? |
| 16:58.15 | Eol | good call .. is the connect slow or slow once connected? |
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| 16:59.24 | sudo_maddash | Eol, cahoot: the authentication goes through (but takes 3+ min), and the resulting ssh session is fast as hell. |
| 16:59.39 | Eol | its a DNS issue |
| 16:59.43 | Eol | this is well documented |
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| 17:00.06 | yos87 | Hi |
| 17:00.07 | Eol | good: +openssh +connection +lag +slow +dns |
| 17:00.11 | Eol | google even |
| 17:00.25 | yos87 | I have video file, how can I burn it as video cd ? |
| 17:00.36 | sudo_maddash | I sniffed some traffic with wireshark and discovered that the ssh-ing box (as opposed to the box being ssh'ed into) is issuing ARPs for the gateway -- is this congruent with your "DNS issue"? |
| 17:00.47 | Eol | try that again yos87 .. that makes no sense ... you mean in VCD format? |
| 17:00.56 | concept10 | Eol, does this gave something to do with automatic service discovery? |
| 17:01.15 | Eol | nope concept10 ... though I havent' played wth that yet |
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| 17:01.26 | Eol | it has something to do with SSH wants your reverse and fowards to be correct |
| 17:01.37 | concept10 | Eol, after turning that off, I have faster connects |
| 17:01.37 | sidfn | are both pc configured with same subnet ? |
| 17:01.46 | Eol | just read up the docs .. as I said well documnted and explains better than I can |
| 17:02.06 | Eol | sudo_maddash, ARP != DNS .. serously just googl e.. this is well documented |
| 17:02.28 | yos87 | eol: yes, vcd format, But not convert, I want to burn it |
| 17:02.50 | yos87 | eol: because data cd will not work on vcd player even the cd has videos |
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| 17:03.18 | sudo_maddash | Eol: if ARP != DNS, then your answer is not relevant to my problem |
| 17:03.44 | Eol | yos87, I believe mplayer will do it (mencoder) |
| 17:04.14 | stew | sudo_maddash: its probably trying to do reverse dns on the ssh client's ip address |
| 17:04.16 | Eol | sudo_maddash: i believe you are wrong especially with the symptoms described (slow to connect, fast once connected though) but your call |
| 17:04.33 | yos87 | Eol: I should install the mencoder? |
| 17:04.45 | Eol | yos87, ffmpeg will aslo do it |
| 17:04.47 | stew | sudo_maddash: so its wanting to do a dns request, which requires sending a packet through the default gateway, which requires doing arp on the gatweay ip |
| 17:04.54 | Eol | yos87, I would install and try ffmpeg first |
| 17:05.32 | concept10 | anyone know if every unix-linx os implements sysctl? |
| 17:05.34 | sudo_maddash | stew: that makes sense. |
| 17:08.28 | sidfn | sudo_maddash: try ssh by directly writing the ip.. |
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| 17:08.28 | stew | that's not going to stop it from wanting to reverse map the client ip |
| 17:08.32 | wols_ | concept10: it doesn't |
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| 17:08.33 | wols_ | yos87: ffmpeg and mencode will be able to create the mpeg1 file but it can't produce the ISO layout needed |
| 17:08.33 | sudo_maddash | stew: ah, so disabling "usedns" in the host's sshd_config should do the trick? |
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| 17:08.35 | wols_ | sudo_maddash: yes |
| 17:08.43 | yos87 | Eol: But no any video editor? like to cut part or marrege, something like ulead video stuio in windows |
| 17:08.57 | yos87 | wols_: i told Eol , he didn't belive me |
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| 17:09.18 | sidfn | sudo_maddash: try "ReverseMappingCheck no" in ssh config |
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| 17:09.24 | Eol | yos87, my mistake ... didn't realize you wanted an editor |
| 17:09.29 | Eol | thought you just wanted a converter |
| 17:09.40 | wols_ | yos87: http://www.google.com/search?q=create+vcd+under+linux&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a |
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| 17:09.50 | wols_ | yos87: you didn't ask about an eeditor at all |
| 17:09.55 | sidfn | sudo_maddash: more info ->http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20050329185832952 |
| 17:10.02 | yos87 | Eol: by defult convertor has to mae some edits |
| 17:10.26 | sudo_maddash | sidfn: is that deprecated or something? reversemappingcheck isn't in the man page |
| 17:10.41 | yos87 | wols_: yea, I still need to burn the vcd, not to edit |
| 17:11.00 | wols_ | yos87: creating and burning it are yet a totall different issue |
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| 17:11.26 | killown | how I do to translate ipv6 to ipv4? |
| 17:11.29 | mike1o | xsane will only work as root |
| 17:11.36 | Eol | killown, try that again |
| 17:11.52 | Eol | killown, you don't but they do make some ipv6->ipv4 tunnel clients |
| 17:12.00 | wols_ | mike1o: what are the perms of your scanner deviec? who owns it? |
| 17:12.01 | yos87 | wols_: yes, I know, sorry |
| 17:12.21 | wols_ | especially GID |
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| 17:12.23 | diclophis-work | hello all |
| 17:12.28 | sidfn | sudo_maddash: or "CheckHostIP no" in ssh config |
| 17:12.31 | diclophis-work | anyone have a quick way to REMOVE CVS dirs from a project? |
| 17:12.40 | killown | Eol, I have ipv6 .. how I do to discover which ipv4 |
| 17:12.59 | Eol | killown, ipv6 and ipv4 to not directly map is what I am telling you |
| 17:13.16 | wols_ | killown: lynx whatismyip.org |
| 17:13.19 | Eol | killown, so are you saying you are on a dedicated ipv6 network and want to know how ipv4 can reach you? |
| 17:13.22 | killown | had a site what do it i dont remember |
| 17:13.26 | mike1o | wols_, I cant even find the device under /dev |
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| 17:14.35 | killown | Eol I have ipv6 I want discover ipv4 by ipv6 |
| 17:14.40 | spheard | Nielsen: kernel/cpt/cpt_context.c:134:2: error: #error Arch is not supported |
| 17:14.54 | wols_ | killown: have you tried what I said? |
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| 17:15.02 | killown | wols_, yes |
| 17:15.06 | wols_ | and? |
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| 17:15.20 | killown | you dont understand ? |
| 17:15.29 | wols_ | do you? |
| 17:15.42 | killown | I know my ipv4 but I want know how discover ipv4 by ipv6? |
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| 17:16.43 | magic_pinguim | Hello :) |
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| 17:18.17 | coventrya | What latex packages do I need to install to get "\itshape\bfseries" to produce a bold AND italicized font? At the moment, I get the warning "Font shape T1/lcmss/bx/sl' undefined... using T1/lcmss/bx/n' instead on input line 124." |
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| 17:19.18 | geekbr | sameone had problem's with the unstable dvd image ? |
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| 17:19.24 | coolzone | Hi! Isn't there some application which can run in the background and detect if any USB devices, like an USB stick, are inserted, and then automount it? |
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| 17:19.43 | yos87 | wols_: the package arson seems can do that |
| 17:19.43 | cydork | coolzone: ivman |
| 17:20.31 | cydork | geekbr: since when does sid have dvd image? |
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| 17:20.36 | coolzone | cydork, thank you very much!! |
| 17:20.54 | yos87 | exit |
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| 17:23.13 | geekbr | cydork: i get the image, but the install ask me about the disk module |
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| 17:23.24 | hon | how can I change the gtk theme (for all users, not just one user) |
| 17:23.51 | hon | there seems to be no /etc/alternatives option for this |
| 17:23.57 | sn0 | http://static.zooomr.com/images/1133263_2849fe9634_o.jpg |
| 17:23.58 | geekbr | cydork: but, if i use the fdisk to list my disc i get acess .. but the installer can't understand this |
| 17:24.17 | ThinkRusty87 | ./server 67.184.254.124 |
| 17:24.18 | ThinkRusty87 | ./server 67.184.254.124 |
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| 17:24.26 | valdyn | hon: the gtk theme when using gnome? |
| 17:24.37 | mike1o | wols_, I have a list of usbdev*.*_ep* devices I dont know which is my scanner |
| 17:24.38 | hon | not necessarily |
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| 17:25.06 | wols_ | mike1o: plug the scanner in. cat /var/log/messages |
| 17:25.15 | valdyn | hon: that's a difference, gtk2 alone uses gtkrc-2.0, gnome uses gconf keys, no idea about xfce |
| 17:25.28 | cydork | geekbr: but where did you get a image for sid/unstable? |
| 17:25.43 | valdyn | hon: then if kde is running its again slightly different |
| 17:25.53 | geekbr | cydork: jigdo |
| 17:26.12 | hon | valdyn: where gtkrc-2.0 is placed |
| 17:26.15 | geekbr | cydork: the cd are ok, i make the md5 comparative |
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| 17:26.31 | geekbr | cydork: dvd sorry |
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| 17:26.36 | XMR2F77 | !java |
| 17:26.36 | dpkg | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in etch/sid in non-free. Ask me about <install java>. ask me about <non-free> |
| 17:26.54 | geekbr | !brazil |
| 17:26.54 | dpkg | methinks brazil is a very beautiful country! He has a project called debian-br, with open discusions at #debian-br, or at debian-br.sourceforge.net, or the name of an extremely cool and surreal movie that is worth watching. |
| 17:27.11 | geekbr | nice |
| 17:27.45 | valdyn | hon: in ~/.gtkrc-2.0 |
| 17:27.56 | valdyn | hon: probably /etc/gtk-2.0/gtkrc, i dont know |
| 17:27.56 | hon | that's not system-wide |
| 17:28.08 | hon | ok, let me try |
| 17:28.11 | geekbr | !slackware |
| 17:28.11 | dpkg | methinks slackware is a distribution made by Patrick. See ##slackware, or http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/slackware.jpg |
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| 17:28.38 | valdyn | hon: not going to have an effect when running gnome though |
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| 17:29.03 | valdyn | hon: or gconfd-2 even |
| 17:29.07 | hon | valdyn: can I disable gconf daemon in gnome? |
| 17:29.13 | valdyn | hon: no |
| 17:29.16 | debianix | hello ... |
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| 17:29.41 | valdyn | hon: not sanely |
| 17:29.55 | hon | *sigh* ... it makes things harder to debug. |
| 17:30.15 | debianix | i do know debian doesn't have xgl in the repo so far .... but would you know if they will add it up ? is it because it is unstable that they didn't add it or because of license ? |
| 17:30.16 | valdyn | hon: maybe you shouldnt force a theme upon users |
| 17:30.38 | valdyn | debianix: because its unstable |
| 17:30.47 | debianix | :S |
| 17:31.08 | chop1 | debianix: There's a third-party repo somewhere where you can get xgl-type packages, though |
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| 17:31.26 | valdyn | debianix: xgl is just a hack to run stuff like compiz where there's no proper driver |
| 17:31.31 | debianix | i read a bit about it, there is a fewlib to add as well |
| 17:31.33 | valdyn | debianix: that's its current state. |
| 17:31.50 | stew | debianix: it hasn't been added beucase A) nobody has volunteered to maintain it. and B) it hasn't been released yet, which makes it troublesome to package |
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| 17:32.08 | debianix | ew :S |
| 17:32.17 | chop1 | !tell debianix about xgl |
| 17:32.20 | debianix | well i have an ati card ... trouble |
| 17:32.21 | debianix | lol |
| 17:32.44 | valdyn | debianix: which ati card? |
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| 17:33.56 | wietz0r | I plugged in a second monitor on my laptop and when I restarted X the second screen is mirroring the first one, is there a simple way to tell it to stop mirroring and be an extended workspace ? (I'm using an intel945M with the i810 driver) |
| 17:34.20 | valdyn | wietz0r: no, not simple, read the documentation |
| 17:34.22 | centrx | XINERAMA |
| 17:34.35 | gniretar_work | you can do it without xinerama |
| 17:34.45 | valdyn | w/o xinerama its 2 workspaces |
| 17:34.46 | gniretar_work | but it also depends on your video hardware. if its capable of such things |
| 17:34.47 | xbaez | hello |
| 17:34.49 | valdyn | with xinerama its one |
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| 17:34.57 | wietz0r | I want to be able to drag screens between them, not have have 2 seperate x sessions |
| 17:35.13 | gniretar_work | check your vidoe hardware then look up xinerama |
| 17:35.19 | valdyn | wietz0r: w/o xinerama its not 2 sessions, but you indeed cant drag |
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| 17:35.29 | debianix | i have the mobility radeon rv350 "9600" m10 |
| 17:35.39 | gniretar_work | i dont knwo cards |
| 17:35.42 | valdyn | debianix: that is supported by debian, including aiglx |
| 17:35.42 | gniretar_work | look it up |
| 17:36.26 | debianix | but the driver installed is the opensource fglrx-driver and the performance is low |
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| 17:36.30 | valdyn | debianix: up to 400 or 450 is supported |
| 17:36.40 | valdyn | debianix: fglrx is not opensource |
| 17:36.50 | debianix | and so far what i read aiglx cannot use composite |
| 17:36.55 | debianix | for the ati cards |
| 17:36.59 | valdyn | debianix: wrong |
| 17:37.02 | valdyn | !drxx debianix |
| 17:37.02 | dpkg | debianix: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 17:37.07 | valdyn | pick ati or radeon |
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| 17:37.12 | wols_ | debianix: ati's fglrx doesn't support composite |
| 17:37.21 | wols_ | debianix: fault of ati's driver |
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| 17:37.52 | debianix | does that mean my card can work well with beryl or compiz ? |
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| 17:37.59 | valdyn | yes |
| 17:38.49 | debianix | because twice i tried it once in ubuntu and in debian etch now, for some reason cpu usage goes 100% and white screen of death as they call it when i start x |
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| 17:40.46 | valdyn | debianix: http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/ATIRadeon#head-2f5098616350345fc8b9d26888cb729d63303cf2 |
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| 17:41.56 | mike1o | wols_, I think this is the part which refers to the scanner http://www.nopaste.org/p/a2cCfTPC0 but I can't deduce the device from here |
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| 17:43.05 | magic_pinguim | re |
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| 17:43.45 | debianix | thx valdyn |
| 17:44.05 | magic_pinguim | i think debian wiki documentation in http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz is roung ... is not -> Option "Composite" "enable" ; but is Option "Composite" "disable" |
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| 17:44.14 | mike1o | wols_, this is my lsusb http://www.nopaste.org/p/a9Wji50iT |
| 17:44.46 | magic_pinguim | this option allways make the direct rendering disable |
| 17:45.56 | glasserc | Does anyone know of a text-only word processing program? I've looked through the editors section but most of those are just text editors, don't have things like text formatting. |
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| 17:47.06 | chop1 | glasserc: emacs :-) |
| 17:47.06 | cahoot | glasserc: like LaTeX? see LyX |
| 17:47.22 | hon | when a software source does not ship debian/ directory, I guess I cannot use dpkg-buildpackage, what can I use to build a .deb instead? |
| 17:47.30 | glasserc | cahoot: lyx doesn't have an ncurses frontend, does it? |
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| 17:47.40 | chop1 | hon: apt-get source to get the source+Debian directory |
| 17:47.53 | hon | it's not there |
| 17:47.58 | cahoot | glasserc: no |
| 17:48.02 | chop1 | hon: Building a .deb for a package that isn't packaged for Debian isn't trivial; you're probably better off using GNU stow |
| 17:49.02 | debianix | heh let me try it :D |
| 17:49.14 | debianix | it i ping timeout means it didn't work |
| 17:49.16 | debianix | lol |
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| 17:50.13 | glasserc | chop1: What kind of word processing can emacs do? |
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| 17:50.48 | chop1 | glasserc: I'm not sure how to answer that question. What capability are you looking for? |
| 17:50.54 | cydork | glasserc: you can use emacs to write latex :) |
| 17:51.04 | one | Hi, I'm installing etch and have problem with interfaces... I have in /etc/network/interfaces all eth configured with IPv4, but in ifconfig output I see IPv6 on one interface - is there any way to disable ipv6? |
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| 17:51.29 | glasserc | chop1: I'm working for someone who's used to Wordstar -- that kind of capability, to format text without learning a formatting language, and then send it to a printer. |
| 17:51.40 | glasserc | cydork: :) |
| 17:51.44 | one | or to disallow ipc6 in interfaces? |
| 17:52.29 | valdyn | hon: 'checkinstall' |
| 17:52.36 | bytekode | one: you can change "alias net-pf-10 ipv6" to "alias net-pf-10 off" in /etc/modprobe.d/aliases and reboot to disable it system-wide |
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| 17:53.15 | valdyn | magic_pinguim: you're wrong |
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| 17:53.18 | chop1 | glasserc: Wordstar via dosemu? :-) I'm afraid I don't know of a Debian program that has exactly that capability... |
| 17:53.19 | morgWork | hey guys, I've set up apt-proxy for our servers here at work, and a developer just asked if apt-proxy can support internally developed packages as well (i.e. foobar-2.1.deb that he developed). looking at the apt-proxy page, it doesn't seem conclusive, and I didn't see anything in the config or the offline-tips file or README.gz |
| 17:53.31 | glasserc | chop1: Hmm. But that's a good idea, thanks. |
| 17:53.34 | morgWork | is there any way to set up a local repository in apt-proxy? |
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| 17:54.12 | valdyn | morgWork: a local repository is just like any other repository in apt-proxy |
| 17:54.22 | valdyn | morgWork: im not sure if supports file:// urls if that is what you want |
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| 17:54.40 | morgWork | valdyn: yeah, that's what I'm curious about- what the actual implementation in the config would look like |
| 17:54.47 | sn0 | morgWork http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/286 is a bit dated but hopefully it gives you an idea |
| 17:54.53 | morgWork | cool |
| 17:54.58 | morgWork | I'll take a look sn0 |
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| 17:57.14 | morgWork | sn0: see, that's what I was wondering if I could skip- it looks like I'm actually setting up my own repository and just getting the flat file into apt-proxy |
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| 17:57.52 | morgWork | er |
| 17:57.55 | magic_pinguim | valdyn why i'm roung? |
| 17:57.55 | morgWork | that made no sense |
| 17:58.19 | magic_pinguim | valdyn i think weneed the direct rendering to run compiz right? |
| 17:58.36 | morgWork | sn0, valdyn: I'd like to get this developer's package into apt-proxy without having to set up an actual repository |
| 17:59.36 | balony | insmod suddenly started segv after a dist-upgrade. Is this a known issue? |
| 17:59.52 | balony | It only segv when im root, not when typing /sbin/insmod |
| 18:00.10 | magic_pinguim | valdyn i allready see in other distros website documentation ... they have this option disable to to enable this "and here the direct rendering only is enable if this option is disable" i think |
| 18:00.11 | wols_ | have you checked BTS? |
| 18:00.17 | wols_ | are you running lenny/sid? |
| 18:00.43 | balony | wols_? |
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| 18:00.58 | valdyn | magic_pinguim: you need composite and aiglx to run compiz |
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| 18:01.28 | wols_ | balony: what debian versin are you running? |
| 18:01.35 | magic_pinguim | valdyn yes and they don`t need the direct rendering? to run? |
| 18:01.50 | h3sp4wn | !insmod |
| 18:01.50 | dpkg | Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet?. Taunting Happy Fun Ball causes cancer |
| 18:01.53 | valdyn | magic_pinguim: yes |
| 18:01.56 | balony | wols_: "unstable", but I also have deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib in my sources.lists. Could that be the mistake? |
| 18:02.14 | wols_ | balony: then why the heck do you bring this up, especially when you don't even know what BTS is? |
| 18:02.25 | wols_ | no, your mistake is running sid |
| 18:02.28 | valdyn | magic_pinguim: you need an nvidia driver >= 9x.xx |
| 18:02.41 | magic_pinguim | valdyn so ... only when i have Option "Composite" "disable" i can run the direct rendering ..... |
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| 18:02.54 | valdyn | magic_pinguim: for aiglx, compisite with direct rendering works for longer though |
| 18:02.55 | magic_pinguim | they have this in other distros documntations to to enable the direct rendering |
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| 18:03.11 | valdyn | magic_pinguim: forget those other distros |
| 18:03.12 | magic_pinguim | valdyn i can run compiz in one ati to "probably not the bets performence" |
| 18:03.14 | balony | wols_: why is that a mistake? |
| 18:03.14 | jelly-home | wols_: I didn't know that particular TLA for a while even though I'd been using reportbug and bugs.d.o |
| 18:03.22 | valdyn | magic_pinguim: i told you what you need. believe it or not. |
| 18:03.23 | wols_ | balony: cause you are not fit to run sid |
| 18:03.23 | magic_pinguim | valdyn i test this in debian ... |
| 18:03.34 | wols_ | jelly-home: users of sid should. |
| 18:03.43 | wols_ | !tell balony about bts |
| 18:03.51 | magic_pinguim | valdyn ok but in debian i only can have the direct rendering enable when i put this option disable |
| 18:04.00 | valdyn | magic_pinguim: which driver? |
| 18:04.07 | magic_pinguim | ati driver |
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| 18:04.14 | h3sp4wn | magic_pinguim: You need the newer version (or the allowglxwithcomposite switch) |
| 18:04.16 | valdyn | magic_pinguim: and which ati card? |
| 18:04.17 | Diilbert | I recently saw a demo of ubuntu running gnome and barrel, which is a window manager that lets you rotate your desktops in 3d. Does anyone know where to get it (I may have the wrong prog name). ? Since I am unable to track it down... thanks :) |
| 18:04.19 | wols_ | magic_pinguim: you cannot use aiglx |
| 18:04.24 | magic_pinguim | valdyn x1600 |
| 18:04.30 | sobersabre | hi. How can I determine rsize and wsize that my NFS server supports ? |
| 18:04.32 | valdyn | magic_pinguim: you cant use aiglx on that card |
| 18:04.37 | magic_pinguim | wols_ and who says i'm using aiglx ? |
| 18:04.41 | wols_ | Diilbert: you most probably mean beryl |
| 18:04.46 | magic_pinguim | i'm talking about direct rendering guys |
| 18:04.46 | wols_ | !tell Diilbert about beryl |
| 18:05.12 | magic_pinguim | whith ati ... in debian ... the direct rendering only can be enabed when this option is disable ... |
| 18:05.13 | valdyn | Diilbert: you want compiz, beryl is unstable, ugly to configure etc |
| 18:05.21 | valdyn | Diilbert: but it has a gazillion switches |
| 18:05.25 | magic_pinguim | that why i sau this documentation is roung "or missing something" |
| 18:05.31 | magic_pinguim | i think |
| 18:05.37 | h3sp4wn | magic_pinguim: The other distro's are correct, if you are using xgl its not supported here |
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| 18:05.55 | valdyn | magic_pinguim: you cant have 3d acceleration AT ALL on that card using that driver |
| 18:06.07 | magic_pinguim | h3sp4wn i'm not talking about ... xgl ... i'm talking about direct rendering man "to run google earth for exemple" |
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| 18:06.20 | valdyn | magic_pinguim: not supported |
| 18:06.27 | magic_pinguim | h3sp4wn and another thing if you want to run compiz you need direct rendering right? |
| 18:06.30 | wols_ | magic_pinguim: valdyn just told you the errors of your ways |
| 18:06.31 | h3sp4wn | magic_pinguim: You don't need composite - you can have direct rendering |
| 18:06.38 | magic_pinguim | nononono forget .... |
| 18:06.44 | magic_pinguim | you making confution |
| 18:06.44 | h3sp4wn | magic_pinguim: You cannot sensibly run compiz |
| 18:06.49 | nefertum | hi, i'd like to compile some modules in my machine, modules i've written, but i don't want to compile the kernel |
| 18:06.55 | nefertum | what could I do to compile those modules? |
| 18:06.56 | wols_ | magic_pinguim: the only driver which lets you run google earth with this card is the fglrx one |
| 18:07.02 | nefertum | install kernel headers? kernel tree? |
| 18:07.08 | magic_pinguim | nonoonon i think you are not understand me guys |
| 18:07.09 | wols_ | nefertum: install the kernel headers |
| 18:07.11 | valdyn | magic_pinguim: stop believing what 'other distros' say. accelearated 3D is NOT SUPPORTED by free drivers on your card |
| 18:07.22 | magic_pinguim | i'm not talking about others distros .... |
| 18:07.25 | valdyn | magic_pinguim: install the fglrx drivers |
| 18:07.29 | magic_pinguim | i'm talking about my debian |
| 18:07.31 | h3sp4wn | nefertum: make -C /lib/modules/$(shell uname -r)/build M=$(PWD) modules |
| 18:07.40 | magic_pinguim | i allready have the ati driver install and direct rendering installed |
| 18:07.42 | wols_ | magic_pinguim: and no distro out there will support it with free drivers since free drivers for this card don't exist. It's fglrx or nothing |
| 18:07.47 | nefertum | h3sp4wn: yeah, I use that command in my Makefile |
| 18:07.47 | magic_pinguim | that why i'm talkingggggggggg |
| 18:07.49 | magic_pinguim | o0 |
| 18:07.49 | magic_pinguim | 0o |
| 18:07.53 | magic_pinguim | guys |
| 18:07.55 | wols_ | magic_pinguim: you are talking crap |
| 18:08.04 | nefertum | wols_: i have then to do the symlink in /lib/modules/version/ to my headers? |
| 18:08.05 | krazykit | wtf. claws-mail has a build for 2.9.2 on amd64 but not i386 |
| 18:08.13 | krazykit | silly unstable branch |
| 18:08.15 | magic_pinguim | wols_ when do you learn to talk befor listen right? |
| 18:08.20 | magic_pinguim | look ... |
| 18:08.23 | magic_pinguim | relax |
| 18:08.27 | magic_pinguim | what i'm say |
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| 18:08.34 | valdyn | magic_pinguim: you dont understand that we know exactly what's needed to run google earth |
| 18:08.36 | h3sp4wn | nefertum: and you have the kernel headers installed ? (works for me that) |
| 18:08.43 | wols_ | magic_pinguim: the only driver that does accelerated 3D for your card is the fglrx one. end of story |
| 18:08.43 | stew | krazykit: yeah this is normal, you have to wait for the i386 buildd to build it |
| 18:08.45 | nefertum | h3sp4wn: yes |
| 18:09.10 | nefertum | h3sp4wn: package linux-headers-2.6.20-1 |
| 18:09.13 | krazykit | stew, i figured. i just thought it was strange that amd64 happened before i386. irritating, too. |
| 18:09.16 | nefertum | and i'm using that kernel too |
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| 18:09.27 | wols_ | and unless you have access to a time machine, there is no way any other linux distro out there has a different driver |
| 18:09.30 | magic_pinguim | is that ... this documentation is in compiz ... section in debian wiki right? to enable compiz we need direct rendering right? so ... whith my ati ... "TESTED AND CONFIRMED HERE" the direct rendering is only enable when i disable this option |
| 18:09.34 | magic_pinguim | understand now? |
| 18:09.36 | stew | krazykit: it probably just means that the inital upload was source + amd64 binary |
| 18:09.37 | h3sp4wn | nefertum: must be something else wrong with your Makefile then |
| 18:09.44 | magic_pinguim | that what i'm talking about |
| 18:09.50 | krazykit | ah, i see. |
| 18:10.05 | nefertum | h3sp4wn: i see ERROR: Kernel configuration is invalid, |
| 18:10.20 | valdyn | magic_pinguim: we understand, you dont. Direct rendering is _required_, but not _sufficient_. You need accelerated 3D. That is not available with the driver you are using. |
| 18:10.21 | magic_pinguim | so this wiki debian docmentation to my ati is roung |
| 18:10.26 | nefertum | include/linux/autoconf.h or include/config/auto.conf are missing |
| 18:10.52 | valdyn | magic_pinguim: you probably skipped the part about supported ati cards, which yours is not |
| 18:10.54 | wols_ | magic_pinguim: no. you are don't understand what this docs say |
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| 18:11.04 | magic_pinguim | valdyn i can run compiz here whith this graphic card ... |
| 18:11.10 | magic_pinguim | water effects and everything |
| 18:11.23 | wols_ | magic_pinguim: not under debian |
| 18:11.38 | valdyn | magic_pinguim: using fglrx and xgl, not the ati driver |
| 18:11.38 | wols_ | maybe in software mode only |
| 18:11.39 | h3sp4wn | nefertum: ask #kernel (I don't know enough about it) |
| 18:11.44 | magic_pinguim | wols_ yes under debian ... "SINCE I DONT USE THIS CONFIGURATION" lol |
| 18:11.46 | morvok | anyone know of a good doc that explains howto add raid0 to a raid1 array? |
| 18:11.47 | magic_pinguim | dah |
| 18:12.06 | abrotman | morvok: sw or hw ? |
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| 18:12.19 | morvok | abrotman: software |
| 18:12.23 | valdyn | magic_pinguim: im not sure why you ask us for support when compiz is already running fine |
| 18:12.24 | abrotman | !swraid |
| 18:12.27 | abrotman | bah .. |
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| 18:12.33 | archangelpetro | is there anywhere i can get a sources.list? |
| 18:12.34 | archangelpetro | lol |
| 18:12.37 | abrotman | morvok: the SW raid HOWTO doesn't cover this ? |
| 18:12.40 | abrotman | archangelpetro: man sources.list |
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| 18:12.53 | wols_ | valdyn: I am not sure why he isn't making a gazillion bucks by selling his solution for compiz on x1600 |
| 18:12.58 | abrotman | !sources.list |
| 18:12.58 | dpkg | sources.list is, like, something like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free" where cc is your country code. see <mirrors>, /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list. also see <etch security>, or run "apt-get update" after editing sources.list in order to refresh your database |
| 18:13.02 | archangelpetro | ty abrotman |
| 18:13.03 | morvok | abrotman: I couldn't find anything about it |
| 18:13.11 | h3sp4wn | magic_pinguim: If you use xgl you lose direct rendering - that would make sense |
| 18:13.49 | wols_ | h3sp4wn: what I wanna know is how the ati driver can use his x1600 in 3D accelerated mode |
| 18:13.57 | magic_pinguim | valdyn i'm not asking for suport ... i was talking about the debian documentation in http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz and only say that i think the debina documentation is roung for my graphic card |
| 18:13.59 | wols_ | cause if it does, it would be a miracle |
| 18:14.11 | h3sp4wn | wols_: It cannot |
| 18:14.16 | magic_pinguim | h3sp4wn why i need to lose direct rendering? |
| 18:14.25 | magic_pinguim | i need direct rendering to run google earth |
| 18:14.29 | magic_pinguim | and others apilications |
| 18:14.33 | magic_pinguim | i think |
| 18:14.37 | krazykit | then you can't run xgl |
| 18:14.47 | h3sp4wn | magic_pinguim: so don't use xgl |
| 18:14.47 | valdyn | magic_pinguim: you dont |
| 18:14.56 | wols_ | magic_pinguim: it is not. the only way to run compiz with ati card is with XGL. there is no XGL in debian anywhere (there are unofficial repos owever). which is why this cos is right: there is no way under debian to run your x1600 card with compiz |
| 18:15.01 | magic_pinguim | o0 |
| 18:15.02 | magic_pinguim | 0o |
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| 18:15.27 | magic_pinguim | wols_ i can install the source right? |
| 18:15.50 | magic_pinguim | thank you |
| 18:15.52 | magic_pinguim | :) |
| 18:15.54 | wols_ | magic_pinguim: and there is a Free driver named "ati". and there is a proprietary driver named "fglrx". which of the two are you using? |
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| 18:16.12 | magic_pinguim | i'm using the ati website driver |
| 18:16.17 | h3sp4wn | No chance he is using "ati" |
| 18:16.19 | wols_ | that is fgrlx. not ati |
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| 18:16.33 | wols_ | h3sp4wn: well he said he was using the "ati driver" beforehand. |
| 18:16.36 | krazykit | magic_pinguim, then you're using fglrx. you cannot run xgl and apps that need direct rendering at the same time. |
| 18:16.41 | valdyn | magic_pinguim: why would you need direct rendering for google earth? |
| 18:16.42 | debianix | testing it |
| 18:16.43 | debianix | :P |
| 18:16.44 | jelly-home | does the free driver have even 2D support for R500+? |
| 18:16.44 | debianix | brb |
| 18:16.56 | wols_ | jelly-home: I don#t think so |
| 18:17.13 | thedac | Any debian.org mail admins here? I run linux-foundation.org mail and we are having some issue sending to debian.org addresses. msg me to discuss. Thanks. |
| 18:17.14 | sn0 | krazykit indeed but you can get around it by starting apps with nonxgl wrapper in front of them |
| 18:17.14 | wols_ | jelly-home: but 2D support might have been (barely) possible |
| 18:17.15 | h3sp4wn | wols_: I ignored that (as I knew those cards can only use vesa or fglrx) and he said he used compiz |
| 18:17.58 | magic_pinguim | i'm not using compiz ... i say ... if compiz need direct rendering ... to run ... and i only can run direct rendering disabling this option ... so i ask you guys ... if this documentation is not possibly to not be complectly right depended the graphic card i don`t know |
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| 18:18.33 | magic_pinguim | once all the others documentation i see there ... they say to i disable this option ... |
| 18:18.37 | h3sp4wn | magic_pinguim: just disable composite then |
| 18:18.44 | h3sp4wn | magic_pinguim: then you get direct rendering |
| 18:18.46 | magic_pinguim | less this debian documentation |
| 18:19.08 | magic_pinguim | h3sp4wn correct ... that what i do .... i just make one comment nathing more |
| 18:19.29 | wols_ | magic_pinguim: since debian doesn't support your card for compiz in any way: who cares? |
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| 18:20.05 | magic_pinguim | wols_ yes but i'm not think thta debian have everything or be one perfect distro ... |
| 18:20.08 | magic_pinguim | right? |
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| 18:20.40 | wols_ | magic_pinguim: syntax error. english please |
| 18:20.49 | wols_ | and debian is a FREE distro. |
| 18:20.50 | krazykit | magic_pinguim, nobody said it's the perfect distro. there is no perfect distro. |
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| 18:21.14 | wols_ | fglrx is anything but. plus XGL is not available in debian either and won't ever be |
| 18:21.22 | magic_pinguim | to me ... this option is roung ... |
| 18:21.28 | magic_pinguim | in the documentation ... |
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| 18:21.40 | debianix | :S |
| 18:21.47 | chop1 | magic_pinguim: I think what they're saying is that for other people, it's right. That's why it's an option, after all... |
| 18:21.48 | magic_pinguim | you don`t even suport compiz in ati |
| 18:21.49 | debianix | confused ! |
| 18:22.12 | debianix | well it doesn't seem to have no white screen of death |
| 18:22.23 | krazykit | magic_pinguim, you need to get your words right. "ati" is the free driver, "fglrx" is the ati.com driver |
| 18:22.24 | debianix | nor is it having any effects :P |
| 18:22.36 | magic_pinguim | chop1 so if you are so right ... why this don`twork here? you documentation ... and all the other internet websiets says the oposite about what you guys there are saying? |
| 18:22.45 | magic_pinguim | Bahhh forget man |
| 18:22.55 | debianix | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:23.16 | debianix | but glxinfo says its here |
| 18:23.29 | magic_pinguim | ok whatever you don`t suport ati to compiz right? but i use ati |
| 18:23.32 | magic_pinguim | and use debian |
| 18:23.49 | debianix | duh :S |
| 18:23.49 | wols_ | magic_pinguim: sucks to be you. but yes: debian does not support XGL |
| 18:24.10 | debianix | let me check again it so weird, now it is saying missing again |
| 18:24.20 | krazykit | debianix, do you have Load "dri" in your Section "Module"? |
| 18:24.34 | krazykit | debianix, in xorg.conf |
| 18:24.38 | debianix | yes, it was there already |
| 18:24.52 | debianix | and i added load dbe and put composite on as well |
| 18:24.59 | debianix | let me check again, |
| 18:25.36 | chop1 | magic_pinguim: The configuration you're using is not supported by Debian. Debian documentation, which describes a configuration different than the one you're using, is going to describe a different setup than the one you're using. That is my understanding. I don't use magic GLX/compiz/beryl anything of any sort, so I don't know... |
| 18:25.56 | debianix | weird |
| 18:25.59 | debianix | it is there though |
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| 18:27.10 | debianix | can i ask why beryl looks for it on 0.0 ? |
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| 18:27.22 | debianix | missing on display :0.0 |
| 18:27.31 | anirban | Hi I am having problem installing grub2 in Etch |
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| 18:27.50 | valdyn | debianix: where should it look? |
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| 18:28.28 | magic_pinguim | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:28.38 | debianix | 1:0:0 |
| 18:28.43 | debianix | :D |
| 18:28.48 | valdyn | debianix: that cant exist |
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| 18:29.11 | debianix | i was just wondering, as load dri is in the file |
| 18:29.14 | krazykit | magic_pinguim, it's more that the fglrx drivers suck right now. the free drivers are getting better and are supporting more and more cards, but it takes time. |
| 18:29.23 | debianix | before i load beryl glxinfo found it |
| 18:29.31 | valdyn | debianix: 0.0 is the usualy display, its stored in $DISPLAY |
| 18:29.38 | debianix | now for some reason it is not working |
| 18:29.40 | magic_pinguim | krazykit that i agree whith you |
| 18:30.16 | magic_pinguim | krazykit but i bealiver there are many ati debian users i think and to enable direct rendering i nede to have this option disable |
| 18:30.34 | debianix | there is even the line dri mode 0666 |
| 18:30.37 | krazykit | magic_pinguim, debian is a Free operating system. fglrx is not free. it's as simple as that. |
| 18:30.40 | debianix | argh so weird |
| 18:30.59 | valdyn | well, fglrx is IN debian |
| 18:31.18 | valdyn | but magic_pinguim is getting stuck at what he thinks he understands, while hes just on the wrong tracks |
| 18:31.50 | krazykit | magic_pinguim, it's not a problem of debian. fglrx does not allow composite and direct rendering at the same time. that's just how it is. |
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| 18:33.30 | debianix | ahhh maybe thats my answer |
| 18:33.41 | debianix | i think my composite is on thats why dri is not working |
| 18:33.46 | debianix | let me try it out |
| 18:34.04 | valdyn | debianix: its all in /var/log/Xorg.0.log too |
| 18:34.06 | wols_ | debianix: what videocard/driver? |
| 18:34.17 | magic_pinguim | valdyn i'm understand very well thank you ... you guys just forget the ati users in you documentation nathing more |
| 18:34.26 | magic_pinguim | and don`t forget there are many ati users there |
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| 18:34.41 | stew | magic_pinguim: if you have found an ommision in the wiki, please fix it |
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| 18:34.59 | magic_pinguim | stew that why i was comment ... |
| 18:35.04 | valdyn | magic_pinguim: we forget all hardware that has no proper driver in a howto like that, you can fix that |
| 18:35.14 | wols_ | valdyn: fglrx is not in debian. it's in non-free |
| 18:35.15 | stew | magic_pinguim: why? |
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| 18:35.30 | stew | magic_pinguim: you don't need to comment. just fix it |
| 18:35.34 | valdyn | wols_: uh, semantics |
| 18:35.38 | debianix | wols_: i have ati 9600 rv350 m10 |
| 18:35.46 | valdyn | wols_: yea, im aware of that disinction |
| 18:35.50 | valdyn | wols_: yea, im aware of that distinction |
| 18:35.56 | krazykit | debianix, using what driver? ati or fglrx? |
| 18:36.03 | debianix | fglrx |
| 18:36.10 | krazykit | yeah, that would do it. |
| 18:36.13 | wols_ | valdyn: we could say it's "half" in dbeian. while xgl is not in dbeian at all |
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| 18:36.16 | magic_pinguim | stew no forget i'm fear to do that i'm anyone to change anything there ... |
| 18:36.20 | krazykit | iirc, ati supports the 9600 with 3d now debianix |
| 18:36.58 | magic_pinguim | and to do that i need to test all in nvidia to |
| 18:36.58 | stew | magic_pinguim: if your not willing to help where you can, you are not in a position to complain |
| 18:36.59 | debianix | but for some reason it is not loading dri |
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| 18:37.08 | debianix | it is in the x.org file ... load dri aswell as dri mode 0666 |
| 18:37.14 | wols_ | debianix: what do you need it for? DRI I mean |
| 18:37.25 | debianix | to run beryl |
| 18:37.27 | wols_ | debianix: if you want to run compiz or beryl: forget it with your driver |
| 18:37.37 | magic_pinguim | stew i was just comment ... and asking ... i think :x ok ... |
| 18:37.47 | magic_pinguim | whatever |
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| 18:38.21 | wols_ | debianix: you can try with xgl, but using the ati driver would be the better solution |
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| 18:38.51 | debianix | i did try using ati driver ... but cpu usuage is 100% |
| 18:39.05 | debianix | and when i start with beryl, i get white screen of death |
| 18:39.18 | debianix | just every goes white and nothing responds |
| 18:40.32 | stew | debianix: did you file a bug? |
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| 18:40.56 | debianix | humm nope |
| 18:41.02 | stew | debianix: /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 18:41.03 | debianix | but i read on a blog someone else had it |
| 18:41.10 | debianix | it was with ati card itself |
| 18:41.24 | stew | debianix: /msg dpkg bts ; see if one has already been filed |
| 18:41.32 | debianix | but now i am trying it on debian, no crash or nothing |
| 18:41.37 | stew | debianix: what do you mean, "with ati card itself" |
| 18:41.42 | debianix | just now dri is not loading |
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| 18:42.15 | debianix | another user with ati 9700 series has the same problem while installing in ubuntu |
| 18:42.36 | magic_pinguim | o0 |
| 18:42.37 | magic_pinguim | 0o |
| 18:42.39 | stew | debianix: i don't think we can help that other user |
| 18:43.03 | debianix | lol |
| 18:43.13 | debianix | its so weird though |
| 18:43.34 | gpm | it's not that weird |
| 18:43.39 | debianix | let me check the log file to see if i can get any interesting piece of info |
| 18:44.16 | debianix | it is ... dri is in the x.org file, as well as before i install beryl, it was present |
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| 18:46.29 | debianix | (EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable |
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| 18:46.37 | debianix | blah |
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| 18:47.02 | stew | debianix: which driver are you using? |
| 18:47.04 | debianix | fglrx |
| 18:47.10 | stew | debianix: why not ati? |
| 18:47.35 | debianix | because each time i used ati, cpu usage goes 100% |
| 18:47.49 | stew | debianix: which process is using all of the cpu? |
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| 18:48.47 | morvok__ | @yay.. the router is finally in its home. |
| 18:48.50 | ravenbird | morvok__: okay |
| 18:49.07 | sepski | i replaced a broken eth1, now i find that the new card that use a different driver gets name eth2. why ? how can i get rid of the residue from the old card so that the new one gets eth1 ? |
| 18:49.08 | stew | @forget the router |
| 18:49.09 | ravenbird | stew: i didn't have anything called 'the router' to forget |
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| 18:49.18 | stew | @forget yay.. the router |
| 18:49.19 | ravenbird | stew: i forgot yay.. the router |
| 18:49.23 | debianix | stew: X |
| 18:49.53 | stew | debianix: can i see your /var/log/Xorg.0.log from when that is happening? |
| 18:49.55 | cahoot | sepski: look into persistent-net.rules |
| 18:50.12 | debianix | sure |
| 18:50.12 | stew | sepski: /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 18:50.17 | debianix | where cani paste it ? |
| 18:50.27 | stew | debianix: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 18:50.42 | debianix | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:50.50 | joakim | hahahhah |
| 18:50.52 | joakim | :D |
| 18:50.56 | joakim | *claps* |
| 18:51.22 | stew | joakim: ? |
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| 18:51.41 | sepski | thanks |
| 18:51.46 | joakim | i was laughing at the "/msg dpkg pastebin"-part |
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| 18:53.15 | debianix | http://pastebin.ca/500788 |
| 18:53.46 | debianix | :D yeah my mistake |
| 18:53.51 | stew | debianix: no, while using the ati driver |
| 18:54.05 | gpm | don't feel bad for the space, debianix |
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| 18:55.36 | concept10 | anyone know of a graphical xorg configurator? |
| 18:55.57 | gpm | what're you trying to do |
| 18:56.04 | Vasistha | !drxx |
| 18:56.04 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 18:56.05 | gpm | if you need to configure x, how are you going to use a gui? |
| 18:56.19 | gpm | Vasistha: that's not helpful |
| 18:56.30 | ma3x | hi i reported a bug to sis900 developer and he asked me (Does it happen also with vanilla 2.6.18 and 2.6.21.1)? what should I tell him? in etch there is no such vanilla thing |
| 18:56.38 | h3sp4wn | concept10: xorgcfg |
| 18:56.47 | gpm | there it is |
| 18:56.51 | gpm | i couldn't remember |
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| 18:57.07 | stew | ma3x: a vanilla kernel would be one you compiled from sources you downloaded from kernel.org |
| 18:57.07 | chop1 | ma3x: You could compile from kernel.org source by hand... that's not recommended for Debian, but it's certainly not hard |
| 18:57.08 | debianix | stew: sorry i don't have it anymore |
| 18:57.20 | stew | debianix: i can't help you then |
| 18:57.23 | debianix | it was when i tried it on ubuntu |
| 18:57.27 | ma3x | so what should I tell him? that I didn't compile the kernel but that I use image kernel? |
| 18:57.32 | stew | then i really can't help you |
| 18:57.34 | h3sp4wn | concept10: You would have to build it yourself though |
| 18:57.35 | debianix | you wouldn't be able to help me there aswell :D |
| 18:57.38 | debianix | lol |
| 18:57.49 | concept10 | I asked because the Pardus distro has an excellent python script, and I was thinking of putting a GTK front end on it... |
| 18:57.56 | gniretar_work | will beryl run on a Radeon Mobility X1400 |
| 18:57.57 | gniretar_work | ? |
| 18:58.01 | chop1 | ma3x: Tell him you use the Debian kernel of such-and-such a version |
| 18:58.04 | debianix | thx ... i think i understood what happened |
| 18:58.18 | stew | debianix: is there some reason you don't try the ati driver? |
| 18:58.18 | debianix | using composite on disables dri |
| 18:59.05 | debianix | no, its like i am saying, last time i tried it, i got a white screen when starting beryl |
| 18:59.11 | h3sp4wn | concept10: It should be theoretically completely redundant when xorg 7.3 is released bear that in mind |
| 18:59.20 | stew | debianix: yes, but that was in a different os |
| 18:59.21 | debianix | x works well, but the graphis is not as good as with fglrx |
| 18:59.28 | gpm | h3sp4wn: why's that? |
| 18:59.43 | stew | debianix: i don't know why you would go get non-free software from somewhere, when there is free software in debian to do what you want |
| 18:59.58 | ma3x | is there a fix for a kernel module available only through a patch? |
| 18:59.58 | debianix | stew ... i'll try it now then :) got nothing to lose |
| 19:00.02 | concept10 | h3sp4wn, because of auto-detect? |
| 19:00.10 | h3sp4wn | gpm: no xorg.conf (unless for very specific setups) |
| 19:00.12 | ma3x | I mean is it absolutely necessary to custom compile the kernel |
| 19:00.12 | debianix | compiz ? |
| 19:00.26 | debianix | i've tried compiz, it works great |
| 19:00.32 | gpm | h3sp4wn: how's that gonna work? |
| 19:00.33 | stew | debianix: no, the ati driver |
| 19:00.35 | gpm | sick |
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| 19:00.41 | gpm | or, slick, i should say |
| 19:02.35 | debianix | yes sir :D trying it now |
| 19:02.35 | debianix | brb |
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| 19:02.36 | Vasistha | I'm trying to remove some of these extraneous xorg-video drivers with aptitude, but it's not really behaving the way I'd like. I marked the xserver-xorg-video-ati as 'manual' and then marked xserver-xorg-video-all for uninstallation ... but the whole mass of individual drivers are still marked as automatically installed, and not marked for removal :-/ Do I need to go through them one by one? |
| 19:02.36 | h3sp4wn | concept10: Read what Keith Packard intends for it |
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| 19:02.37 | chop1 | ma3x: You can hand-compile a module against the Debian kernel headers |
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| 19:02.37 | concept10 | h3sp4wn, I sure havent found it yet.. I see the output hotplug mentioned but no info on the wiki |
| 19:02.37 | ma3x | chop1, ok |
| 19:02.37 | chop1 | ma3x: Or if it's already included in Debian, you can get the kernel source, replace the module's source by hand, and use make-kpkg to make a custom kernel with that module |
| 19:02.39 | debianix | okay |
| 19:02.43 | debianix | brb restarting x |
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| 19:02.53 | concept10 | if anyones interested, this script is awesome: http://svn.pardus.org.tr/uludag/trunk/comar/zorg/zorg |
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| 19:03.22 | sepski | cahoot, stew worked perfectly. thanks. |
| 19:03.22 | joakim | what be that script? |
| 19:03.25 | ma3x | how do I get the version of the kernel? |
| 19:03.27 | concept10 | xorg config |
| 19:03.30 | chop1 | ma3x: uname -a |
| 19:03.39 | concept10 | but its a part of a bigger control panel |
| 19:03.45 | ma3x | chop1, that shows 2.6.18-4-amd64 |
| 19:03.53 | ma3x | but how do I get something like 2.6.18.dfsg.1-12etch1 |
| 19:04.05 | chop1 | ma3x: dpkg -l linux-image-2.6.18-4-amd64 | cat |
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| 19:05.45 | stew | ma3x: what does "apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6.18-4-amd64" say for "Installed:"? |
| 19:05.53 | stew | uuoc |
| 19:06.03 | h3sp4wn | concept10: The information is available somewhere (I just don't have the link off hand) |
| 19:06.16 | concept10 | h3sp4wn, im reading his blog, it has some |
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| 19:06.23 | ma3x | stew, linux-image-2.6.18-4-amd64: |
| 19:06.23 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:06.23 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:06.32 | ma3x | and then some info in the version table |
| 19:06.42 | amphi | stew: that's an ouuoc IMHO ;) |
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| 19:06.58 | stew | ma3x: so you have 2.6.18.dfsg.1-12etch1 already |
| 19:07.14 | stew | amphi: yes about a 'u' as it gets :) |
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| 19:07.59 | debianix | hello again |
| 19:08.06 | debianix | i am getting the same problem |
| 19:08.22 | debianix | blah i give up :P |
| 19:08.28 | stew | debianix: with ati? |
| 19:08.32 | debianix | yes |
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| 19:08.39 | stew | debianix: anything interesting show up in the logs? |
| 19:08.51 | debianix | as soon as i load composite on dri doesn't load |
| 19:09.02 | debianix | i am checking it now |
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| 19:10.14 | ma3x | stew, what do you mean already? |
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| 19:10.28 | NoWayMan_NotMe | how can I utilize apt to search for any package that may install a file? for example if I want to find the package that would contain the libs for "gtk+-unix-print-2.0"? |
| 19:10.31 | ma3x | stew, is it new as of today or what? |
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| 19:10.38 | stew | ma3x: you are asking how to get 2.6.18.dfsg.1-12etch1, but you already have it installed |
| 19:10.45 | xmoogle | hiya...got a slight problem...k3b appears to have broken - it depends on a package which depends on a package below a certain version, but the depended on package's latest version is higher |
| 19:10.52 | xmoogle | on unstable |
| 19:10.56 | tarzeau | !fink |
| 19:10.58 | xmoogle | amd64 |
| 19:10.59 | ustunozgur | NoWayMan_NotMe: apt-file |
| 19:11.05 | stew | ma3x: its new as of a week ago |
| 19:11.10 | ma3x | stew, I was asking how to find out what version i have |
| 19:11.13 | tarzeau | dpkg fink is not debian, #fink is not #debian |
| 19:11.13 | dpkg | okay, tarzeau |
| 19:11.17 | stew | xmoogle: /msg dpkg bat |
| 19:11.22 | ma3x | stew, sis900 receives corrupted packages, that's the problem |
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| 19:11.33 | JasonF_ | I'm trying to build a package that is just scripts (no arch, no compilation) and in debian/control, I have Architechure: any, but when I build it, it gets marked as i386. How can I build this package as something I can use on any arch? |
| 19:11.39 | magic_pinguim | re :) |
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| 19:11.52 | Marionette | hi there |
| 19:12.04 | stew | ma3x: you can determine your kenrel version with "uname -r" you can see what version of the corresponding linux-image package with "apt-cache policy linux-image-$(uname -r) | grep Installed" |
| 19:12.17 | Marionette | ok |
| 19:12.19 | xmoogle | gimme a min stew :) |
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| 19:12.36 | NoWayMan_NotMe | tarzeau: Was taht directed at me? |
| 19:12.36 | kuvkir | Hi all |
| 19:12.39 | stew | xmoogle: i assume you have checked the bts? |
| 19:12.40 | Marionette | hi |
| 19:12.51 | kuvkir | i have a problem with the ssh daemon in debian etch. |
| 19:12.58 | stew | kuvkir: be more specific |
| 19:13.11 | tarzeau | NoWayMan_NotMe: no? |
| 19:13.26 | NoWayMan_NotMe | ustunozgur: I believe I read that I can do it with out apt-file. I've got it, but is there a way to do it with your basic apt utils? |
| 19:13.28 | stew | NoWayMan_NotMe: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 19:13.35 | Marionette | my pc keeps shutting off, anyone know why? |
| 19:13.37 | tarzeau | NoWayMan_NotMe: i just tought dpkg about dpkg on mac os x |
| 19:13.57 | NoWayMan_NotMe | tarzeau: disregard. Thanks. |
| 19:14.02 | stew | NoWayMan_NotMe: apt-file or pdo unless it is already installed, if it were already installed you could use dpkg -S or dlocate |
| 19:14.16 | kuvkir | the problem is that after running the ssh daemon for a while, it has suddenly stopped accepting incoming connections due to the fact that it fails in the permanently_set_uid() function |
| 19:14.33 | xmoogle | bts, stew? |
| 19:15.00 | kuvkir | and permanently_set_uid fails because the sys_setreuid syscall returns -EAGAIN |
| 19:15.15 | Marionette | excuse me is Blake here? |
| 19:15.21 | stew | xmoogle: /msg dpkg bts ; you are expected to know to check there if you run unstable |
| 19:15.24 | kuvkir | i'm using 2.6.18-4-powerpc kernel |
| 19:15.35 | Octopus | Can anyone maybe help me please? It seems quite a bitch to install VMWare on a debian installation because there can't be any suitabe module for my debian OS |
| 19:15.41 | Octopus | I get these errors all the time: http://www.pastebin.ca/500826 |
| 19:15.50 | stew | !vmware support |
| 19:15.51 | dpkg | i guess vmware support is not offered here; go to <http://vmware.com/support> instead. |
| 19:15.51 | Octopus | Can anyone maybe help me please? It seems quite a bitch to install VMWare on a debian installation because there can't be any suitabe module for my debian OS |
| 19:15.52 | Marionette | Thank you! |
| 19:15.52 | NoWayMan_NotMe | stew: Thanks. |
| 19:16.00 | Octopus | oops |
| 19:16.02 | Nielsen | Octopus: i'll try |
| 19:16.16 | xmoogle | never knew that stew, thanks :) |
| 19:16.26 | ma3x | ok stew thanks! |
| 19:16.28 | Nielsen | Octopus: did you compile your own kernel? |
| 19:16.43 | Marionette | cunt |
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| 19:17.00 | Octopus | don't think so |
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| 19:17.05 | Octopus | why/how should I do that? |
| 19:17.41 | Nielsen | Octopus: well, the installer needs to compile modules that match your kernel, and the vmware needs your kernel sources to do this |
| 19:18.07 | Octopus | yes |
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| 19:18.15 | Nielsen | Octopus: so you need to download the kernel source or headers for the kernel you are using |
| 19:18.22 | Octopus | apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 19:18.28 | Octopus | This is what I have done already |
| 19:18.33 | Nielsen | something to that effect, yes |
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| 19:19.55 | Octopus | hmm well, doesn't work :) |
| 19:19.58 | Nielsen | Octopus: which version of vmware are you installing? |
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| 19:20.11 | Octopus | 5.5.1.19175 |
| 19:20.13 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
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| 19:20.26 | Nielsen | Octopus: why not the latest version? |
| 19:20.34 | Octopus | isn't that the latest? |
| 19:20.41 | Nielsen | Octopus: no, version 6 is out |
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| 19:20.53 | Octopus | oh crap, hold on, had this still on hdd from ages ago |
| 19:21.03 | Nielsen | Octopus: let me find you a link |
| 19:21.06 | Octopus | should there be any difference? |
| 19:21.14 | S4nD3r | matrix:/home/sander# cdrecord -scanbus |
| 19:21.20 | xmoogle | alright stew i notice no bugs on the relevant packages, and i believe http://paste.debian.net/28489 is my paste |
| 19:21.20 | S4nD3r | wodim: No such file or directory. |
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| 19:21.25 | S4nD3r | Cannot open SCSI driver! |
| 19:21.26 | Nielsen | Octopus: http://www.vmware.com/download/ws/ |
| 19:21.26 | Fox_1_ | people I don't know why, but my server was halted. can i understand that from logs? |
| 19:21.32 | S4nD3r | For possible targets try 'wodim --devices' or 'wodim -scanbus'. |
| 19:21.33 | xmoogle | (i'm marianne) |
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| 19:22.02 | S4nD3r | wodim: Overview of accessible drives (1 found) : |
| 19:22.09 | S4nD3r | 0 dev='/dev/hdb' rwrw-- : 'HL-DT-ST' 'DVD-RAM GSA-H20N' |
| 19:22.16 | Octopus | ok brb |
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| 19:22.46 | S4nD3r | I need to do my recorder works |
| 19:22.46 | S4nD3r | please, help me |
| 19:22.46 | xmoogle | tbh to me it just looks like kdelibs4c2a needs updating to be able to use the new kdelibs-data, package maintainer forgot or something? (would be my guess) |
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| 19:23.25 | stew | xmoogle: what happens when you try to run "aptitude install # |
| 19:23.28 | stew | err |
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| 19:23.44 | stew | xmoogle: what happens when you try to run "aptitude install kdelibs4c2a" |
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| 19:24.06 | h3sp4wn | xmoogle: You are running sid right ? |
| 19:24.10 | flyinprogramer | is it possible to do a debian install in 1 hour and 30 minutes? |
| 19:24.12 | stew | h3sp4wn: he is |
| 19:24.20 | stew | flyinprogramer: yes |
| 19:24.28 | xmoogle | stew, she |
| 19:24.30 | flyinprogramer | stew: like easily done, or not? |
| 19:24.31 | xmoogle | h3sp4wn, yes |
| 19:24.36 | xingu | flyinprogramer: from punchcard? unlikely. |
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| 19:24.47 | flyinprogramer | from net cd |
| 19:24.48 | xmoogle | stew, i've not used aptitude before :) |
| 19:24.53 | flyinprogramer | like your guys minimal cd |
| 19:25.06 | h3sp4wn | xmoogle: Its incomplete (at least on my mirror) |
| 19:25.07 | stew | xmoogle: its recommended that you use it instead of apt-get, its much better at dependency resolution |
| 19:25.08 | flyinprogramer | i would have to get the install done in 1:30 hours, before my parents get home |
| 19:25.11 | xmoogle | stew, it doesn't fix it |
| 19:25.18 | stew | flyinprogramer: it would depend highly on the speed of your internet connection |
| 19:25.31 | Vasistha | flyinprogramer: last time I installed debian, it took about 20 minutes -- but that was just a base system |
| 19:25.34 | flyinprogramer | stew, i'm on dsl, 3mb down, 1 mb up |
| 19:25.38 | stew | xmoogle: what happens, it should give you some clues as to why kdelibs4c2a is not installable |
| 19:25.47 | S4nD3r | steve, Can you help me ? |
| 19:25.49 | flyinprogramer | then i need to get apache working with php |
| 19:25.50 | stew | flyinprogramer: then i'd think so |
| 19:25.58 | S4nD3r | stew, I think I have a problem |
| 19:26.13 | Vasistha | flyinprogramer: I think you can do it in 1:30 |
| 19:26.13 | flyinprogramer | apache/php configs are easy with debian i think right? apt-get, and you're basically done |
| 19:26.17 | flyinprogramer | ok |
| 19:26.21 | flyinprogramer | i'm gonna go for it |
| 19:26.26 | wols_ | flyinprogramer: yes |
| 19:26.43 | xmoogle | stew - it is not installable because it depends on a lower version of kdelibs-data than is the current version |
| 19:26.55 | flyinprogramer | you'll be happy to know that there will be 1 less gentoo box in the world, and 1 more debian box |
| 19:27.17 | Vasistha | any biters? Still trying to figure out an "easier" way to uninstall all of these extraneous xorg video packages |
| 19:27.26 | S4nD3r | http://pastebin.ca/500843 Here is the output of dmesg |grep -i hd |
| 19:27.35 | h3sp4wn | xmoogle: You can snag some parts from incoming.debian.org if you are already in the middle of this mess or just wait |
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| 19:28.03 | stew | xmoogle: explitly install the version it needs with "aptitude install kdelibs4c2a kdelibs-data=version" |
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| 19:29.33 | xingu | Vasistha: hdc ata block device is using programmed io |
| 19:29.43 | xingu | Vasistha: vs dma |
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| 19:29.52 | h3sp4wn | stew: It won't be in the archive (or will that use any version still in /var/cache/apt/archives also ?) |
| 19:30.01 | Vasistha | xingu: interesting, thanks |
| 19:30.44 | xmoogle | h3sp4wn, trying to burn a dvd for my mum lol |
| 19:30.48 | xmoogle | stew, shall try :) |
| 19:31.14 | h3sp4wn | xmoogle: loads of its still sat in http://incoming.debian.org |
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| 19:32.41 | xmoogle | ty h3sp4wn, i shall try that |
| 19:33.09 | erore | Is it correct to have * * * * * /root/ker_perm.sh in /etc/crontab file? The thing is that the cron does not run the job |
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| 19:34.34 | xingu | erore: /etc/crontab has a username field |
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| 19:35.00 | xingu | erore: see crontab(5) |
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| 19:35.05 | stew | h3sp4wn: it will use the package cache, yes |
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| 19:37.00 | flyinprogramer | yay for debian easy installers |
| 19:37.28 | Vasistha | flyinprogramer: it hasn't been an hour and a half yet :) |
| 19:37.42 | flyinprogramer | Vasistha: i know i just started the disk |
| 19:37.52 | Fox_1_ | how can I see CPU temperature??? |
| 19:38.11 | Vasistha | Fox_1_: well, you could look in /proc/acpi or you could install gkrellm or something |
| 19:38.24 | erore | xingu: I tried this too * * * * * root /root/ker_perm.sh |
| 19:38.29 | h3sp4wn | stew: thanks |
| 19:38.31 | Vasistha | Fox_1_: there's probably a command-line util for it, too, but I don't know it off the top o' my head |
| 19:38.42 | xingu | Fox_1_: acpi -t |
| 19:39.07 | Fox_1_ | xingu: it's write "No support for device type: thermal" |
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| 19:39.27 | xingu | Fox_1_: modprobe thermal |
| 19:39.54 | stew | erore: run "crontab -e" as root, then add "* * * * * /root/ker_perm.sh" |
| 19:40.07 | Fox_1_ | was not help |
| 19:40.11 | stew | (though something tells me that whatever that script is doing is probably handled better some other way) |
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| 19:40.29 | stew | Fox_1_: then your motherboard doesn't support temperature reporting via acpi, look into lm-sensors |
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| 19:41.05 | DanC | any idea why I get jaggy fonts at http://www.cs.umd.edu/~golbeck/cv.html ? |
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| 19:41.24 | DanC | I'm using firefox/iceweasel on debian lenny |
| 19:41.30 | Fox_1_ | stew: i have installed that, but it's want to load k8temp module and write "FATAL: Module k8temp not found." |
| 19:41.39 | erore | stew: works thanks, wonder why contrab file does not |
| 19:41.47 | h3sp4wn | stew: Is there a tool that gives you the versions you have in /var/cache/apt/archives (to install that method) or is it normal to just look manually |
| 19:41.53 | ustunozgur | DanC: antialiasing on? |
| 19:42.12 | DanC | ustunozgur, umm... I dunno. how do I check? |
| 19:42.24 | xmoogle | h3sp4wn, the newer kdelibs4c2a from incoming fixed that, thanks a lot! :) *bounces happily* |
| 19:42.24 | flyinprogramer | ok |
| 19:42.41 | S4nD3r | dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/hdb |
| 19:42.48 | S4nD3r | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:42.49 | DanC | ustunozgur, the "Best shapes" option is checked in the gnome Font Preferences thingy |
| 19:42.56 | S4nD3r | GET [CURRENT] CONFIGURATION: |
| 19:43.02 | S4nD3r | :-( no media mounted, exiting... |
| 19:43.04 | Vasistha | DanC: probably because you're using a lousy Times font (or antialiasing isn't on) ... if you like, you can install microsoft's fonts, with the msttcorefonts package (non-free) |
| 19:43.16 | S4nD3r | help me please |
| 19:43.37 | ustunozgur | DanC: Fire up gconfeditor. |
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| 19:43.51 | ustunozgur | Then, desktop->gnome->font_rendering |
| 19:44.16 | ustunozgur | my antialiasing is set to "none" and it is better for me. |
| 19:44.17 | DanC | I didn't choose a lousy Times font on purpose. I'm mostly using debian/gnome defaults. I was surprised bitstream vera sans isn't installed by default, so I did install that. And I chose a sans-sarif default in firefox |
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| 19:44.52 | DanC | hmm... seriously, ustunozgur ? the state of the art still involves firing up gconfeditor? ok... |
| 19:45.06 | DanC | -bash: gconfeditor: command not found |
| 19:45.08 | DanC | hmm... |
| 19:45.13 | Vasistha | better install it :) |
| 19:45.13 | ustunozgur | gconf-editor |
| 19:45.26 | ustunozgur | DanC: I have XFCE, that's why. |
| 19:45.42 | ustunozgur | Maybe Gnome has a setting in menus too. |
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| 19:45.56 | ustunozgur | there is one in xfce too but that changes other things. |
| 19:46.16 | ustunozgur | and for kde applications, you may have to change it via kcontrol |
| 19:46.20 | DanC | I guess I should open an installer bug; the default fonts for web browsing should be good. it has a huge impact |
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| 19:46.40 | Vasistha | DanC: regarding font selection ... if you look at the source for that page you linked, you'll see that that page is *not* using a default font -- it is explicitly requesting a font. |
| 19:46.48 | S4nD3r | I need help, |
| 19:46.50 | S4nD3r | please |
| 19:46.51 | ustunozgur | DanC: maybe, but it changes according to dipslay type, LCD, CRT etc. |
| 19:46.59 | Vasistha | !wait |
| 19:46.59 | dpkg | If noone has answered your question to your satisfaction, please wait 10 minutes before asking again. Please don't whine about your problem, about the channel, about debian, linux, or anything else. Just wait 10 minutes and then ask again. Also see <repeat> and <ask> |
| 19:47.30 | Vasistha | DanC: so, whatever font is being substituted for "Times New Roman" may not be a very good font |
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| 19:47.49 | xingu | I have msttcorefonts installed and the times font chosen is still "lousy" (if your term for "lousy" includes "deliberately fogging font glyphs to give the illusion of enhanced resolution" |
| 19:48.01 | sandman | What's that package manager for /usr/local? |
| 19:48.04 | sandman | s-somedthing |
| 19:48.12 | DanC | good point, Vasistha , but even in that case, surely we can do better than jaggy fonts... |
| 19:48.15 | ustunozgur | DanC: yes, Vasista is right. You should have font families with good substitues. |
| 19:48.16 | rking | S4nD3r: Do you know the whole deal with DVD/CSS or whatever? |
| 19:48.18 | stew | sandman: stow? |
| 19:48.23 | DanC | it's not my web page |
| 19:48.37 | ustunozgur | xingu: to my surprise, debian comes with antialiasing on, and turning it off makes fonts brilliant! |
| 19:49.01 | xingu | ustunozgur: also faster on some hardware. |
| 19:49.02 | Vasistha | DanC: yeah, but the point is, a lousy substitution is being made since you probably don't have "Times New Roman" installed |
| 19:49.02 | DanC | antialiasing seems to be set to "grayscale". is that "on"? |
| 19:49.11 | S4nD3r | CDs are used normally, but never get use DVDs |
| 19:49.21 | rking | ustunozgur: interesting... anti-aliasing off = better-looking? i've never witnessed that |
| 19:49.30 | Vasistha | debian's kde seems to come with anti-aliasing set to medium; but I find that fonts look really nice with anti-aliasing set to "best" or whatever |
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| 19:49.52 | ustunozgur | rking: with my crt and laptop's lcd, yes, definitely better. |
| 19:49.53 | rking | S4nD3r: ahh, hrm.. weird. i'm sorry but i can't help - even if it was dvd's i could only partially help |
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| 19:50.06 | rking | ustunozgur: Ahh, that's it. |
| 19:50.09 | luke-jr_work | Can Debian's networking scripts setup bridging without hacking the scripts themselves? |
| 19:50.11 | Vasistha | xingu: btw, what do you mean by "fogging"? Is there a wikipedia article on font fogging I could read, or...? |
| 19:50.22 | Vasistha | DanC: are you on kde? |
| 19:50.26 | Amarande | bah, I've forgotten how to build a package after doing apt-get source, AGAIN |
| 19:50.32 | DanC | no, not kde. gnome. |
| 19:50.40 | stew | Amarande: /msg dpkg source |
| 19:50.41 | rking | Amarande: fakeroot debian/rules binary |
| 19:50.48 | wols_ | Amarande: dpkg-buildpackage |
| 19:50.58 | Vasistha | DanC: well, I was referring to "debian's kde" ... dunno what gnome does :P |
| 19:51.01 | xingu | Vasistha: as in, smudging, blurring, rendering in beer-o-vision. |
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| 19:51.20 | S4nD3r | that is my problem |
| 19:51.25 | ustunozgur | DanC: set it to none, but as I said, it might be worse for you. did you install msttcorefonts? |
| 19:51.30 | wols_ | luke-jr_work: I think you need to execute custom scripts from /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:51.33 | S4nD3r | my DVD only reads CDs |
| 19:51.40 | gnat_x | hi folks, i'm getting ready to do some sarge --> etch migrations, i was wondering, if anecdotally anyone has run into the problems with reboot afterwards (moving from kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386), or any other related woes. i am currently rereading the release notes upgrade documentation. will most of my possible woes be covered there? |
| 19:51.43 | S4nD3r | and nobody has time to help me ... |
| 19:51.45 | gnat_x | these are very minimal systems |
| 19:51.56 | rking | S4nD3r: Ahh, ok - it's probably the fricken DeCSS business |
| 19:52.07 | Amarande | also, is it really true that I have to custom rebuild gdm to prevent people from shutting down/restarting the machine without a password? |
| 19:52.16 | h3sp4wn | luke-jr_work: bridge-utils has integration |
| 19:52.16 | luke-jr_work | wols_: :( |
| 19:52.17 | wols_ | S4nD3r: data dvds or video dvds? |
| 19:52.24 | luke-jr_work | h3sp4wn: so I can just edit configs? |
| 19:52.24 | Vasistha | !tell gnat_x about sarge->etch |
| 19:52.26 | gnat_x | with almost no usage, and down time ok. i want to do ssh based upgrades and wondering if i should avoid that. |
| 19:52.39 | valdyn | Amarande: no, you only have to change gdm settings, use "gdmsetup" |
| 19:52.39 | wols_ | h3sp4wn: how would you set it up? |
| 19:52.51 | h3sp4wn | luke-jr_work: /usr/share/doc/bridge-utils/README.Debian.gz |
| 19:53.01 | ustunozgur | btw for web browsing, I set every font to Verdana, serif or sans-serif, it's definitely the best font out there for web browsing. |
| 19:53.09 | pingouin | is there any software to get a .ram from the internet ? (i can read it online with mplayer, but i must record it with audacity while playing, sometimes it's long....) ? |
| 19:53.11 | Vasistha | gnat_x: people have definitely done successful ssh-based upgrades. Basically all you need ought to be in the release notes |
| 19:53.24 | Vasistha | pingouin: how about mplayer -dumpstream |
| 19:53.28 | h3sp4wn | wols_: I have set it up before the README.Debian says how (not using at this moment though) |
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| 19:53.42 | DanC | ustunozgur, I use Bitstream vera sans as my default, but pages that choose their own font seem to get crappy results. |
| 19:53.45 | pingouin | Vasistha: aaaahh ok, have to try that |
| 19:53.50 | wols_ | h3sp4wn: I used a howto and rc.local. I was lazy :) |
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| 19:54.07 | Amarande | valdyn, that doesn't have what I need |
| 19:54.16 | Amarande | from the main gdm window, there are options to shut down and restart the computer |
| 19:54.27 | Amarande | which apparently do not require a password to use. anyone at the login screen can do that. |
| 19:54.29 | ustunozgur | DanC: are there that many pages that choose their own fonts? |
| 19:54.35 | DanC | ustunozgur, where did you get Verdana? I don't see it in the firefox font menu. is it in msttcorefonts? |
| 19:54.40 | DanC | yes, ustunozgur |
| 19:54.41 | ustunozgur | yes |
| 19:54.43 | gnat_x | Vasistha: cool. i just wanted to get a confirmation of what i already expected to be the case. |
| 19:55.00 | Amarande | At least they don't normally use Arial. :P |
| 19:55.12 | valdyn | ustunozgur: bitstream vera is quite similar, looks nicer, antialises nicely |
| 19:55.14 | DanC | hmm... I was trying to stay away from non-free. only made it about a week. sigh. |
| 19:55.21 | Amarande | Arial kind of went out of style once Verdana came out |
| 19:55.21 | valdyn | ustunozgur: matter of taste, i guess |
| 19:55.43 | Amarande | bah |
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| 19:55.49 | ustunozgur | yes, probably, but there are academic researches too I guess :) |
| 19:55.49 | Amarande | cool'n'quiet kills my performance :| |
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| 19:55.55 | flyinprogramer | anyone know of any debian archives near canada ? |
| 19:56.01 | flyinprogramer | or boston? |
| 19:56.08 | DanC | debian.csail.mit.edu |
| 19:56.09 | Amarande | ahh, maybe it doesn't. |
| 19:56.12 | Ryiel | hey guys |
| 19:56.14 | Amarande | xchat is just silly. :P |
| 19:56.18 | ustunozgur | DanC: microsoft distributed them for free, though not free in the strict sense. |
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| 19:56.27 | Vasistha | Amarande: it ought to be possible to set up gdm so that those options are not available. It may be as simple as some /etc/ settings ... e.g. I have some settings in /etc/kde3/kdm ... it may be similar for gdm |
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| 19:57.04 | ustunozgur | DanC: but one cannot simply say no to verdana. 40 years from now, we will be celebrating the 50th anniversary of Verdana, just like Helvetica :) |
| 19:57.29 | Amarande | Vasistha, none of that seems to be anything that you can't do via gdmsetup |
| 19:57.36 | Amarande | maybe I should run kdm, even though I normally use GNOME :P |
| 19:57.38 | eldowan | isn't the time in the unstable branch about 2 weeks before a package is moved into testing? assuming package is bug free. |
| 19:57.54 | Amarande | I'm still puzzled as to what the sid maintainer is doing with wine |
| 19:58.01 | h3sp4wn | eldowan: 10 days |
| 19:58.07 | eldowan | h3sp4wn: thanks. |
| 19:58.12 | S4nD3r | wols_, neither |
| 19:58.18 | h3sp4wn | eldowan: (but certain thing have to be done manually) like libc6 |
| 19:58.28 | S4nD3r | I have here a video DVD, and I cant get to mount this one |
| 19:58.47 | Vasistha | Amarande: well, you might ask #gnome (perhaps on irc.gnome.org) |
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| 19:58.51 | eldowan | h3sp4wn: good to know. I am waiting for icedove to come down. I like thunderbird 2, but would like the debian package. |
| 19:58.59 | h3sp4wn | eldowan: the /msg dpkg why is foo not in testing (explains it) |
| 19:59.03 | Amarande | For some reason, the sid maintainer put wine .32 in sid this weekend |
| 19:59.07 | Amarande | when .36 has been out for weeks :| |
| 19:59.25 | eldowan | h3sp4wn: thanks. I've spent too much time away from the bot and the channel lately. I've forgot quite a bit. |
| 19:59.37 | wols_ | S4nD3r: what does your kernel log say about the drive? |
| 20:00.00 | S4nD3r | ?? |
| 20:01.12 | flyinprogramer | so how will my second hard drive be mounted after a basic installation? |
| 20:01.28 | wols_ | flyinprogramer: it won't by default |
| 20:01.31 | flyinprogramer | ok |
| 20:01.31 | wols_ | flyinprogramer: man fstab |
| 20:01.34 | flyinprogramer | yup |
| 20:01.38 | flyinprogramer | all over it |
| 20:01.39 | xingu | danc: ok this looks like a config problem with fontconfig |
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| 20:01.45 | xingu | danc: what does fc-match times say? |
| 20:01.57 | S4nD3r | wols_, I dont know what kernel says |
| 20:02.18 | wols_ | S4nD3r: then maybe you should look? |
| 20:02.31 | ustunozgur | xingu: he left |
| 20:02.39 | xingu | well bollocks to him then |
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| 20:02.41 | S4nD3r | Im beginner in linux |
| 20:02.51 | S4nD3r | thats why I dont know which steps to follow |
| 20:03.06 | wols_ | S4nD3r: what happens if you try to mount a dvd? |
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| 20:03.17 | wols_ | and how do you try to nount it |
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| 20:04.16 | valdyn | Amarande: its there, the "Show Actions menu" |
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| 20:05.40 | S4nD3r | I get a error that theres no media |
| 20:05.56 | wols_ | S4nD3r: answer my question |
| 20:06.13 | S4nD3r | Nothing happens |
| 20:06.19 | wols_ | I need the exact actions you take and exact results |
| 20:06.20 | S4nD3r | just a error message |
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| 20:06.29 | wols_ | !tell S4nD3r about paster |
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| 20:06.37 | yannick | does the system keep a log of eth0? |
| 20:06.39 | yannick | Can i find that in /var/log? |
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| 20:06.48 | valdyn | yannick: logging what? |
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| 20:07.14 | yannick | maybe network errors |
| 20:07.31 | yannick | I fear my network card is broken (some way or the other) |
| 20:07.34 | wols_ | yannick: syslog |
| 20:07.39 | valdyn | yannick: /var/log/kern.log |
| 20:07.49 | S4nD3r | http://pastebin.ca/500843 Here is the output of dmesg |grep -i hd |
| 20:07.57 | yannick | ok |
| 20:08.15 | wols_ | S4nD3r: this is not what I asked |
| 20:08.22 | bigfam | can I install debian while in a live cd? (IE i have no burner) |
| 20:09.01 | S4nD3r | Ok. Tell me what command do you want I run here |
| 20:09.07 | wols_ | bigfam: yes. debootstrap |
| 20:09.11 | S4nD3r | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:09.33 | wols_ | S4nD3r: what is the fstab entry for /media/cdrom0? |
| 20:09.44 | wols_ | and: what debiab/kernel version? |
| 20:09.47 | S4nD3r | /dev/hdb /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0 |
| 20:10.01 | S4nD3r | Linux matrix 2.6.18-4-k7 #1 SMP Wed May 9 23:42:01 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 20:10.20 | wols_ | mount -t auto /dev/hdb /media/cdrom0/ |
| 20:10.21 | fuzzy_logic | hello people |
| 20:10.49 | wols_ | if that doesn't work: mount -t udf /dev/hdb /media/cdrom0 |
| 20:11.02 | S4nD3r | media not found |
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| 20:11.23 | wols_ | are you sure the drive isn't broken) |
| 20:11.28 | bigfam | wols_ know where I can find a walkthrough on how to do that? debootstrap? |
| 20:11.45 | S4nD3r | Its working with CDs |
| 20:11.52 | wols_ | !tell bigfam about debootstrap |
| 20:11.56 | S4nD3r | Its a long time I dont use DVDs in this drive |
| 20:11.57 | flyinprogramer | ok, in gentoo... there was rc-update, in debian there is ???? |
| 20:12.13 | wols_ | bigfam: or if you have windows alrady installed: goodbye-microsoft.com |
| 20:12.22 | wols_ | !rcconf |
| 20:12.22 | dpkg | "rcconf" is, like, a frontend to the update-rc.d, or check out "sysv-rc-conf" - see these http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212 and http://blogs.cyberciti.biz/hm/index.php/2005/10/27/removing-unwanted-startup-debian-files-or-services/ and ask me about <services> ...and if it's broken, try this: for a in $(ls /etc/rc?.d/???jabber) ; do rm $a ; done |
| 20:12.29 | wols_ | services |
| 20:12.32 | wols_ | !services |
| 20:12.32 | dpkg | it has been said that services is to view and alter system services, use one or more of rcconf, sysvconfig, sysv-rc-conf, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/, or /etc/services a port numbers list, or http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers |
| 20:12.51 | flyinprogramer | thank you sorry |
| 20:12.54 | S4nD3r | The drive works as cdreader |
| 20:13.13 | fuzzy_logic | hello people |
| 20:13.15 | fuzzy_logic | does anyone know how i can make my own web third-party repositories? |
| 20:13.30 | S4nD3r | I dont know, but I guess the problem is about loading dvd module |
| 20:14.08 | valdyn | S4nD3r: no |
| 20:14.08 | S4nD3r | ummm |
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| 20:14.08 | SerajewelKS | someone please tell me how the fuck i tell seahorse-agent that i don't want it being my ssh agent |
| 20:14.16 | SerajewelKS | or my gnupg agent |
| 20:14.19 | SerajewelKS | i want it to go away |
| 20:14.24 | valdyn | S4nD3r: it does not make a difference for linux if its a cd or dvd |
| 20:14.32 | S4nD3r | ummmm.... |
| 20:14.41 | luke-jr_work | SerajewelKS: uninstall it? |
| 20:14.46 | S4nD3r | that means, my disc is in trouble ?! |
| 20:14.58 | fuzzy_logic | can anyone help plz? |
| 20:15.02 | S4nD3r | I have 2 dvd discs in hand !!! neither is good? |
| 20:15.05 | valdyn | S4nD3r: do you have another dvd to try? |
| 20:15.09 | SerajewelKS | luke-jr_work: it's in the same package as seahorse |
| 20:15.15 | SerajewelKS | luke-jr_work: i like seahorse. i hate seahorse-agent. |
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| 20:15.29 | valdyn | S4nD3r: it can be the drive hardware, it cant be linux if that drive reads cds fine |
| 20:16.20 | S4nD3r | Ok. Theres any way to try this drive hardware |
| 20:16.47 | luke-jr_work | SerajewelKS: rm it? :) |
| 20:16.50 | valdyn | S4nD3r: no media found is an error message that your drive can 'send to your os' |
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| 20:17.07 | S4nD3r | thats the message I have had |
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| 20:17.32 | valdyn | S4nD3r: right, just pointing out that linux is not involved in fiding the disk, only in retrieving that message |
| 20:17.37 | SerajewelKS | luke-jr_work: yeah because it would be wonderful if gnome stopped working |
| 20:17.48 | SerajewelKS | it seems to have installed itself into the gnome/gdm login scripts |
| 20:17.49 | S4nD3r | hummm... |
| 20:17.56 | S4nD3r | I have windows XP box installed here yet, |
| 20:18.01 | S4nD3r | I will try this one |
| 20:18.25 | SerajewelKS | and really, no offence to the authors, but if they're going to make it do that i'd appreciate it if they'd make it not crash, thereby disabling every ssh feature of gnome |
| 20:18.25 | flyinprogramer | so, can i edit the /etc/rc*/ dirctories to edit what happens at boot, or is it better to do it another way, if there is a better way, could some one help me? |
| 20:18.30 | SerajewelKS | i want it gone |
| 20:18.32 | S4nD3r | thank you so much for all helps found here |
| 20:18.38 | S4nD3r | I will be back soon |
| 20:19.08 | sanelson | what do i need to do to make my ultra 10 boot headless? it currentlu seems to wait until a keyboard is connected. |
| 20:19.34 | sanelson | qjoin #netbsd |
| 20:19.44 | Coweater | sanelson: i think there's a obp setting |
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| 20:20.13 | abrotman | flyinprogramer: update-rc.d |
| 20:20.16 | SerajewelKS | hmm i think i found the conffile |
| 20:20.37 | flyinprogramer | abrotman: thanks :) |
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| 20:21.00 | abrotman | flyinprogramer: of course .. you can edit those symlinks .. but update-rc.d can do it for you (if you can grok the man page) |
| 20:21.13 | kth`` | Are there any other virtualization methods other than xen capable of pci forwarding? Or rather, nic forwarding |
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| 20:21.26 | chronotis | is sendmail configured to automatically receive emails via external SMTP on etch? It can currently receive from loopback, but nothing else, and there's nothing in sendmail.mc that currently affects that. Does the debian package throw that configuration somewhere else? |
| 20:21.58 | wyrm | hi, how is Debian 64bits for the current use? |
| 20:22.12 | flyinprogramer | abrotman: how do i add ssh to boot... it doesn't have a file in /etc/init.d/ |
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| 20:22.21 | abrotman | flyinprogramer: did you install openssh-server ? |
| 20:22.33 | flyinprogramer | o, maybe not |
| 20:22.37 | flyinprogramer | i assumed... |
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| 20:24.07 | _pepo_ | hi friends |
| 20:24.08 | abrotman | flyinprogramer: when you install it .. it will ask you if you want to run at boot time |
| 20:24.14 | uski_ | hi, i have a problem, suddenly i got 404 errors when doing apt-get iupgrade, like i need to update my apt.conf; problem: i don't know what to put into it. Can anyone point me to what I can do to solve that ? I(believe) I'm using unstable |
| 20:24.47 | stew | uski_: what is the url that gives you a 404? |
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| 20:24.52 | uski_ | w8 |
| 20:24.52 | _pepo_ | some time ago, I was trying with multicast in IPv6, but the kernel linux, didnt capacity for this |
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| 20:25.01 | Vasistha | uski_: if you're not sure you're using unstable, you probably should not be using unstable ;) |
| 20:25.12 | _pepo_ | now, the linux kernel support ipv6 multicast? |
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| 20:25.27 | uski_ | Vanistha: don't worry for me ;) i'm just having problems with apt |
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| 20:26.04 | Diilbert | I was trying to install something with apt-get and it failed... I want to install something else, it is still trying to install in the failed package... how do I clear this out. |
| 20:26.14 | abrotman | Diilbert: failed how ? |
| 20:26.16 | Vasistha | uski_: try typing vas<TAB> |
| 20:26.26 | mantang0 | I'm running php4. How come when I do an "apt-get install php4-pear -s" I get told it's going to also install php5-cli and php5-common? |
| 20:26.28 | abrotman | vanishitha: why? |
| 20:26.33 | mantang0 | http://pastebin.ca/500944 |
| 20:26.38 | uski_ | Errhttp://mir2.ovh.net unstable Release ; line in sources.list is deb http://mir2.ovh.net/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
| 20:27.11 | uski_ | Vasistha, lol i did "Van<tab>", it didn't work so I written the rest by hand. |
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| 20:27.28 | Diilbert | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/500969 |
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| 20:27.51 | Diilbert | It is because I installed the package from source a long time ago... |
| 20:28.06 | Diilbert | It was a newer version then the one available... |
| 20:28.17 | uski_ | stew: and the mirror doesn't seem to be empty |
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| 20:28.54 | abrotman | Diilbert: uhm .. can you uninstall the old ? |
| 20:29.02 | stew | uski_: what url is 404 on the mirror? |
| 20:29.37 | uski_ | stew: if i do apt-get upgrade i get: |
| 20:29.42 | uski_ | Errhttp://mir2.ovh.net unstable/main libgnomevfs2-extra 1:2.18.1-2 |
| 20:29.43 | uski_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:29.43 | Diilbert | abrotman: isn't there a way to clear out the "install queue"? for lack of a better word |
| 20:29.48 | uski_ | and if i do apt-get update i get: |
| 20:29.53 | uski_ | Errhttp://mir2.ovh.net unstable Release ; line in sources.list is deb http://mir2.ovh.net/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
| 20:30.07 | uski_ | so it's like apt doesn't find the packages list, thus it uses an old list which points to outdated packages. |
| 20:30.15 | abrotman | Diilbert: with dpkg there is IIRC |
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| 20:30.27 | uski_ | the problem is that i don't understand why apt points to an invalid link for the package list |
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| 20:31.25 | uski_ | i'd like to relaunch the program which is started at install time that allows the user to select a mirror |
| 20:31.27 | stew | uski_: http://mirror.ovh.net/debian/dists/unstable/Release looks like it's out of date, the date on that release file is from 2 weeks ago |
| 20:31.33 | stew | uski_: try a different mirror |
| 20:31.36 | uski_ | hmmm |
| 20:31.36 | uski_ | ok |
| 20:31.40 | flyinprogramer | ok, this is gonna sounds stupid, but is there anyway to make the terminal for debian look any prettier ? |
| 20:31.47 | uski_ | thanks stew :) |
| 20:31.54 | stew | uski_: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 20:33.36 | holycow | what is the command for reconfiguring apt sources? |
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| 20:33.51 | stew | holycow: 'sensible-editor /etc/apt/sources.list' |
| 20:34.19 | mantang0 | does PEAR not work with php4 then? |
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| 20:34.34 | stew | mantang0: it does |
| 20:34.35 | holycow | no i mean if you don't have any sources available, don't have cli internet browser running and need to reset apt to include default apt sources |
| 20:34.42 | holycow | i thought it was apt-setup or similar |
| 20:34.52 | mantang0 | but i have php4 installed already and it's wanting to install php5 |
| 20:35.05 | stew | holycow: apt-setup was removed from etch and later |
| 20:35.16 | holycow | stew, oh? |
| 20:35.17 | stew | mantang0: "it"? what is "it"? |
| 20:35.22 | stew | holycow: /msg dpkg apt-setup |
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| 20:35.27 | mantang0 | apt, debian |
| 20:35.40 | apt | i heard debian is a free software GNU/Linux distribution. Debian 3.1 contains KDE 3.3.2 |
| 20:35.40 | abrotman | flyinprogramer: which terminal ? |
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| 20:35.47 | asarch | !krusader |
| 20:35.50 | stew | !apt-setup =~ s#testing/unstable#etch and later# |
| 20:35.50 | dpkg | OK, stew |
| 20:35.54 | kth`` | Which kernel is in sid right now? |
| 20:35.59 | ustunozgur | guys, I have a nondebian related issue, but don't know where to ask. I have been getting emails for the last few days that seem to have originated from me, but redirected to me. Can someone look at the email header here to tell if there is a possibility of cracking? http://pastebin.ca/500972 |
| 20:36.01 | holycow | oh thats just testing and unstable repos |
| 20:36.03 | holycow | i'm running stable |
| 20:36.08 | asarch | !mc |
| 20:36.08 | dpkg | [mc] Midnight Commander an orthodox file manager for Unix-like systems (also works in Windows) and a clone of Norton Commander. Midnight Commander is a text mode application. The main interface consists of two panels which display the file system. see: http://www.ibiblio.org/mc/FAQ |
| 20:36.15 | mantang0 | http://pastebin.ca/500944 |
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| 20:36.21 | stew | holycow: i just fixed the factoid, it should have said etch and later, it hadnt' been updated since etch was testing |
| 20:36.21 | petemc | http://pastebin.ca/500972 |
| 20:36.25 | flyinprogramer | abrotman: like... i won't be using gnome for my default use, i'll be using the default terminal screen debian boots into, gentoo's is colored, little prettier, was wondering if there was away to make debian's prettier |
| 20:36.36 | holycow | stew, oh okay interesting |
| 20:36.50 | abrotman | flyinprogramer: uhm .. i think it already has that ability .. you just have to make it so :) |
| 20:37.00 | flyinprogramer | abrotman: how? |
| 20:37.02 | stew | mantang0: does it want to install php5 stuff if you run just, "apt-get -f install" ? |
| 20:37.03 | Vasistha | flyinprogramer: well, you can alias ls='ls --color' and use a pretty colored prompt |
| 20:37.07 | abrotman | flyinprogramer: you mean like when you do an `ls` it has pretty colors etc ? |
| 20:37.14 | holycow | stew, thanks for the heads up on that |
| 20:37.32 | flyinprogramer | Vasistha: yeah like that |
| 20:37.41 | flyinprogramer | is there away to make the text smaller too? |
| 20:37.55 | abrotman | framebuffer |
| 20:38.07 | Vasistha | flyinprogramer: the former were good questions for bash. the latter you can do with framebuffer, or perhaps with vga=791 |
| 20:38.08 | mantang0 | stew: nope. 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 6 not upgraded. |
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| 20:38.26 | ustunozgur | flyinprogramer: you don't have to write it yourself, I think /etc/bash.rc has those options commented out. |
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| 20:39.16 | ustunozgur | no, sorry, ~/.bashrc |
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| 20:39.31 | holycow | !repository |
| 20:39.31 | dpkg | debian repository is probably a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with apt-get. A howto is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html |
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| 20:40.10 | luke-jr_work | SerajewelKS: it would; Gnome sucks :) |
| 20:40.14 | flyinprogramer | Vasistha: how would i edit my vga settings, edit it at kernel level? |
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| 20:40.34 | sanelson | Coweater: hmm, i can't find it via google, thus far |
| 20:40.36 | Vasistha | I'm trying to remove some of these extraneous xorg-video drivers with aptitude, but it's not really behaving the way I'd like. I marked the xserver-xorg-video-ati as 'manual' and then marked xserver-xorg-video-all for uninstallation ... but the whole mass of individual drivers are still marked as automatically installed, and not marked for removal :-/ Do I need to go through them one by one? |
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| 20:41.29 | flyinprogramer | ok, and what the heck is the difference between apache's sites-enabled and sites-availible ? |
| 20:41.40 | uski_ | stew: I tried updating the security.debian.org line, but now I get : Err http://security.debian.org lenny/updates Release |
| 20:41.53 | SerajewelKS | luke-jr_work: yeah, because it *totally* wouldn't do the same thing to KDE... wtf, man, you know how ssh agents work, right? |
| 20:42.25 | Vasistha | flyinprogramer: regarding vga settings: I pass vga=791 as a kernel boot parameter, via grub. But I also am using a machine from 1998. Modern machines will probably prefer using a framebuffer package |
| 20:42.26 | chop1 | Vasistha: aptitude remove `perl -pe 's/(\S+)/${1}_/'`, cut-and-paste the list of drivers minus the one you don't want |
| 20:42.32 | chop1 | Vasistha: That's what I did :-) |
| 20:42.49 | Vasistha | chop1: heh, alright, I'll just do 'em one by one |
| 20:43.13 | Vasistha | chop1: I was also kinda wondering if there might be a couple that I might actually need, e.g. -apm or -dummy or something |
| 20:43.26 | luke-jr_work | SerajewelKS: I know that if the SSH agent isn't running, it falls back to normal gracefully |
| 20:43.32 | abrotman | flyinprogramer: one directory are those available to be enabled .. the other is ones that are enabled |
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| 20:43.40 | abrotman | flyinprogramer: see a2enmod |
| 20:43.54 | flyinprogramer | ahhh |
| 20:43.54 | chop1 | Vasistha: Well, you don't have to do them 'one by one' if you have shell glue. It is too long a list to enter by hand pleasantly, yes :-/ |
| 20:43.55 | flyinprogramer | ok |
| 20:44.09 | Vasistha | chop1: well, I'm using the front-end ;) |
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| 20:44.33 | chop1 | Vasistha: My guess is that since the X server depends on _a_ video driver, and all the drivers provide a video driver, it thinks the server depends on all of them (and so won't remove them even though they're automatic). |
| 20:44.49 | sobersabre | hi. I some how managed to create and boot a kernel with no support of VFAT on EFI system. |
| 20:45.05 | chop1 | Vasistha: Ah. Well, you could use the command line, or sit there bouncing on _ for a short while. Up to you. |
| 20:45.12 | ustunozgur | chop1: are you talking about automatic completion= |
| 20:45.16 | sobersabre | I need to add to the EFI now the new image, but, I have no idea if this is possible. |
| 20:45.20 | Vasistha | chop1: yeah, bouncing on _ just took me about 30 seconds ;) |
| 20:45.24 | chop1 | Vasistha: Yeah |
| 20:45.28 | chop1 | Vasistha: Yeah, 30 seconds, I mean |
| 20:45.34 | chop1 | Vasistha: No, I wasn't talking about autocomplete |
| 20:45.44 | chop1 | (16:42:02) chop1: Vasistha: aptitude remove `perl -pe 's/(\S+)/${1}_/'`, cut-and-paste the list of drivers minus the one you don't want |
| 20:45.58 | tarzeau | how to get only the first letter of some $STRING ? |
| 20:46.11 | chop1 | Vasistha: Actually you don't even need that; just do aptitude remove --purge `cat` and paste the list of drivers |
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| 20:46.21 | chop1 | Vasistha: I needed the perl -pe because I had it as part of a dist-upgrade :-) |
| 20:46.22 | abrotman | man cut ? |
| 20:46.38 | flyinprogramer | any idea what package i have to install to get php to talk to mysql? |
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| 20:47.12 | sepski | php5-mysql ? |
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| 20:47.30 | sepski | flyinprogramer, and probably include something in /etc/php/*/php.ini |
| 20:47.48 | grim76 | flyinprogramer: apt-cache search php mysql |
| 20:49.00 | kth`` | tarzeau, echo ${STRING:0:1} |
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| 20:49.51 | flyinprogramer | you know what i forgot to do before i uninstalled gentoo |
| 20:50.00 | flyinprogramer | i forgot to back up all my mysql database files |
| 20:50.04 | holycow | backup /home? |
| 20:50.09 | holycow | *nod* |
| 20:50.13 | kth`` | Sucks to be you :) |
| 20:50.17 | flyinprogramer | i really want to shoot myself rightnow |
| 20:50.24 | Vasistha | sobersabre: what version of debian are you using, and why are you creating a custom kernel? |
| 20:50.28 | Amarande | I don't think mysql db's go in /home |
| 20:50.35 | holycow | yeah you know, backup procedures are a surprisingly complex thing |
| 20:50.49 | holycow | Amarande, well you can put them anywhere you want |
| 20:50.52 | mantang0 | is there a way of installing PEAR without using apt? It seems to be broken. |
| 20:50.56 | Vasistha | heh, not as complex as they probably would be on windoze |
| 20:50.57 | holycow | but yes |
| 20:51.09 | holycow | Vasistha, not with rsync or things like bacula |
| 20:51.13 | holycow | indeed |
| 20:51.48 | holycow | we setup a bacul and rsync backup system here ... it's pretty nifty but lots of little gotchas and things like 'oh shit i didn't expect to haveto backup that' |
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| 20:52.52 | chop1 | holycow: tar c --one-file-system / |
| 20:52.54 | Vasistha | holycow: anything besides /home /etc /var and maybe /boot and /root ? |
| 20:53.05 | chop1 | holycow: Not that that's awfully helpful to you now :-(. Sorry. |
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| 20:53.37 | holycow | chop1, lol! |
| 20:53.51 | holycow | chop1, actually yeah thats part of what we do exactly |
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| 20:54.12 | chop1 | holycow: Did you just not have a mysqldump anywhere? |
| 20:54.13 | Vasistha | flyinprogramer: what did you do, reformat your gentoo partition and install debian on it? |
| 20:54.15 | holycow | all servers are virtualized so we use bacula for incremental live system backups, shut down the vms, tar and rsync them *nod* |
| 20:54.26 | holycow | chop1, that wasn't me with mysql btw :) |
| 20:54.32 | geo_ | when my wireless network card isn't in lspci, and ifconfig -a shows nothing. Does that necessarily mean the card is broken? or could there be another reason for this? |
| 20:54.52 | Vasistha | geo_: what kind of card is it? |
| 20:55.02 | geo_ | Vasistha: SMC PCI-thingy |
| 20:55.04 | holycow | Vasistha, well depends on how you have setup everything. |
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| 20:55.29 | Vasistha | geo_: it really ought to be in lspci :-/ |
| 20:55.32 | uski_ | apt-spy segfaults :D |
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| 20:55.35 | geo_ | doh :S |
| 20:55.41 | Dimedo | hi there, can anyone imageine a way to export only the UDP payload data of a wireshark captured .cap file to a regular textfile (one packet per line)? |
| 20:56.09 | geo_ | wtf..it is in lspci...i just haven't noticed :D |
| 20:56.15 | Dimedo | but it must be only the UDP payload data |
| 20:56.33 | geo_ | Vasistha: it's called: 05:0a.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5212 802.11abg NIC (rev 01) |
| 20:56.43 | geo_ | As far as I know it uses the ath_pci module to work |
| 20:56.54 | geo_ | but I've tried modprobe ath_pci and obviously it's not there :S |
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| 20:57.15 | aragno | I just had a weir problem with php5 apache2 and mysql. function mysql_connect() just stopped working a few min ago and it seems the mysql exstension does not load any more. |
| 20:57.43 | aragno | did a full removal of php5 and reinstalled it and still it won't load php5-mysql |
| 20:57.48 | aragno | any hints? |
| 20:58.23 | Amarande | ahh, wireless |
| 20:58.26 | Thaiger | I had to skip the mirror selection on install since I couldn't get the network up, but then I got it on first boot, so now how do I pick a mirror? I tried dpkg-baseconfig and it says baseconfig doesn't exist, and dpkg-apt just does some gpg key stuff |
| 20:58.28 | Amarande | I was going to say, I only use Intel cards for ethernet lately |
| 20:58.38 | Amarande | I won't buy their CPUs, but I WILL buy their eth cards |
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| 20:58.58 | sepski | Thaiger, just write a sources.list yourself pick a mirror from the list |
| 20:59.00 | sepski | !mirror |
| 20:59.00 | dpkg | it has been said that debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 20:59.01 | holycow | i used to buy all amd stuff but i got tired of dealing with chipset support |
| 20:59.07 | holycow | :/ otherwise i would still be using them |
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| 20:59.39 | mike1o | my fauvorite debian version was wookdy :-) |
| 20:59.46 | mike1o | *woody |
| 20:59.50 | holycow | i like wooky too |
| 20:59.53 | holycow | -_- |
| 20:59.55 | mc__ | i would like to use a cd as repo. But without having to insert the cd everytime apt installs a package from it. Is there some way to add an iso as a rep? |
| 21:00.07 | Vasistha | geo_: well, I don't have any atheros experience, although I've certainly heard people mention it. Have you googled much? Figure out the model number of your card, and what radio it uses, and see if google turns up any debian users |
| 21:00.15 | ustunozgur | apt-cdrom |
| 21:00.22 | groton | hello. when i ifup my eth0 my resolv.conf file gets modified. Since I am using ppp0 to connect to Inet and eth0 to my LAN, how to prevent the resolv.conf file being modified when i use the LAN? |
| 21:00.52 | uski_ | cool, apt-spy erased my sources.list and it segfaults xD |
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| 21:00.56 | ustunozgur | mc_ : with iso, you have to mount it and then apt-cdrom I think |
| 21:00.57 | Vasistha | mc__: sure, if you've got the iso on your hard drive, you can loopback mount it, and, e.g., deb file:/mnt/iso/ etch main |
| 21:00.57 | geo_ | Vasistha: I've discovered I need madwifi..but that's a pain to install i think |
| 21:01.04 | uski_ | geo_, not that hard |
| 21:01.13 | Vasistha | !madwifi |
| 21:01.13 | dpkg | somebody said madwifi was a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information can be found at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian. #madwifi. To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. |
| 21:01.24 | mc__ | Vasistha: thank you |
| 21:01.26 | Dimedo | hi there, can anyone imagine a way to export only the UDP payload data (and only that) of a wireshark captured .cap file to a regular textfile (one packet per line)? |
| 21:01.34 | uski_ | geo_, are you using a kernel provided with debian or did you build your own kernel ? |
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| 21:01.54 | Thaiger | sepski: I knew there was a list somewhere, but should dpkg-reconfigure baseconfig work? |
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| 21:02.22 | Vasistha | Dimedo: sounds like this is maybe a scripting question? Maybe it'd be more appropriate to ask #awk or even #sed or #perl or #bash |
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| 21:03.39 | geo_ | uski_, actually it's ubuntu server edition |
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| 21:04.10 | Vasistha | !ubuntu |
| 21:04.10 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 21:04.14 | stew | geo_: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
| 21:04.14 | n3kl | I am looking for DIY project for building a tiny tiny machine, just a nic or so, with debian installed on a CF or something similar. I am looking for schematics for such a device. Does anyone know any good links for something like this? |
| 21:04.21 | taime1 | my laptop will not show up on the network here at work... it has in the past tho... is there someway to check to see if my settings are screwy? |
| 21:04.44 | Vasistha | n3kl: your intention is to build hardware? Maybe ask #hardware |
| 21:04.55 | Dimedo | Vasistha: thanks I'll try it there too |
| 21:05.02 | n3kl | Vasistha: good point, thanks |
| 21:05.04 | kth`` | taime1; ifconfig, ping |
| 21:05.13 | smacnay | How do I determine if USB_DEVFS_PATH= has been set as a system-wide environmental variable? |
| 21:05.31 | smacnay | I want it set to /dev/bus/usb |
| 21:06.31 | Thaiger | If I skipped picking a mirror on install, how do I install all the packages that it would have? |
| 21:06.32 | taime1 | kth, i definitely am on the network, but i appear hidden... none of my shared folders appear |
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| 21:06.41 | kth`` | Shared folders as in samba shares? |
| 21:06.50 | taime1 | yes |
| 21:07.42 | kth`` | taime1, you could first check for what samba is listening to, netstat -lt, look for microsoft-ds and netbios-ssn ports at least |
| 21:07.59 | taime1 | way over mny head |
| 21:08.03 | karsten | What's the KDE thing to set prefs again? kcontrol? |
| 21:08.04 | taime1 | thanks anyways |
| 21:08.09 | unlink | where do i tell exim4 that it should route all mail directed at a certain hostname to a certain user? |
| 21:08.10 | Vasistha | karsten: yes |
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| 21:08.36 | mc__ | Vasistha: now i'f i would like to get the iso mounted automatically would a fstab entry like this be correct?:/foo/file.iso /mnt/foo loopback auto,use |
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| 21:08.44 | karsten | Vasistha: Bingo, thanks. |
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| 21:08.54 | karsten | unlink: in the routes section? Perhaps /join #exim |
| 21:09.15 | Vasistha | mc__: mine looks like this... |
| 21:09.21 | Vasistha | /mnt/bkup12/netinst.iso/mnt/iso iso9660 ro,noauto,loop00 |
| 21:09.30 | Micromus | What is the easiest way of keeping cryptsetup/LUKS from automatically trying to mount an encrypted volume (and thus halting boot)? |
| 21:09.31 | Vasistha | oops |
| 21:09.32 | Jckf | How can I add a new user through a script? |
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| 21:09.47 | Vasistha | mc__: heh, irc doesn't seem to like embedded tab characters :) let me try that again |
| 21:09.56 | mc__ | Vasistha: alright |
| 21:10.21 | karsten | Vasistha: For some reason my fonts all suddenly seemed to get 1 point smaller in appearance though the spec is the same (8 points is what I'd selected). |
| 21:10.23 | Vasistha | /mnt/bkup12/netinst.iso /mnt/iso iso9660 ro,noauto,loop 0 0 |
| 21:11.02 | unlink | karsten: oh |
| 21:11.07 | mc__ | Vasistha: thanks again |
| 21:11.10 | Vasistha | karsten: when did it start? |
| 21:11.13 | Pidge | anyone know (or know a channel where somebody would know) how to set up a USB joypad as a midi/audio controller/trigger device? |
| 21:11.17 | Vasistha | mc__: np |
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| 21:11.23 | karsten | Vasistha: This afternoon when I booted up. Perhaps yesterday. |
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| 21:11.53 | karsten | hrm... |
| 21:12.01 | Vasistha | karsten: huh, well I haven't a clue :( |
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| 21:12.19 | karsten | Vasistha: Just KDE fonts though. |
| 21:12.29 | karsten | Vasistha: OK, just tickling some neurons. |
| 21:12.30 | Vasistha | karsten: as opposed to...? |
| 21:12.43 | Vasistha | erm KDE fonts, as opposed to ...? |
| 21:13.25 | holycow | wow lots of new kernels in etch |
| 21:13.30 | holycow | xen and vserver too |
| 21:13.31 | holycow | neato |
| 21:13.55 | karsten | Vasistha: Other X fonts. |
| 21:14.14 | karsten | Vasistha: I run a windowmaker desktop, several gtk/GNOME apps, and a bunch of terminal windows. |
| 21:14.14 | dvs | holycow: new kernel's in etch? |
| 21:14.22 | dogmeat | given an ip address, how can i find the hostname ? |
| 21:14.25 | Aleks | hello people |
| 21:14.33 | Vasistha | karsten: so you're saying that the same fonts look different in K apps e.g. kate? |
| 21:14.35 | holycow | dvs, well new as in i didn't see vserver and xen kernels in the previous stable |
| 21:14.36 | dkr | dogmeat: host |
| 21:14.48 | karsten | Vasistha: Workaround/fix: fire up kcontrol, adjust all fonts, size, bump up. apply. bump down, apply. kill all KDE processes. Restart KDE apps. |
| 21:14.56 | karsten | Vasistha: konqueror, kontact. |
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| 21:15.15 | Vasistha | karsten: have you asked #kde ? it's probably a better place ;) |
| 21:15.29 | karsten | Vasistha: Not yet, just kibbitzing here. |
| 21:15.45 | karsten | Vasistha: And WTF would I want to use kate for when I've got vim? ;-) |
| 21:16.14 | Vasistha | karsten: there exists a group of us that are of the opinion that use of vim is rather masochistic ;) |
| 21:16.22 | karsten | Vasistha: Anyhow, sorted. |
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| 21:16.29 | me_here | i have a question regarding bootsplash's init.d conf file, which is referring to /proc/splash but there is no /proc/splash on mine... when i comment out that line everthing is ok till /sbin/splash.sh is complaining again that there's no /proc/splash, i patched kernel with bootsplash even then i don't get any /proc/splash file why ?? |
| 21:16.54 | JoshH_ | kate is masochistic if you are doing anything more complex than writing a few words |
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| 21:17.06 | karsten | Vasistha: And yuor point is? ;-) |
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| 21:17.14 | Gurax | Hello all. Has anyone had any experience to stop spam using the greylistd package? I use exim4 and the installation and test configurations worked like a charm. But any experience on performance and/or overhead? |
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| 21:17.34 | karsten | Vasistha: Dunno how old you are, but I've been using vim and/or its antecedants for 20 years now. |
| 21:17.40 | Vasistha | Gurax: I can tell you that my mail host just started greylisting, and I'm having trouble getting email from a couple sources |
| 21:18.02 | petemc | Gurax: performance is fine, some users dont like the delay tho, its better to do some whitelisting |
| 21:18.29 | karsten | Vasistha: It's been pretty consistent, has aquired some new capabilities over the years, and for editing mass amounts of text simply rocks. |
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| 21:18.49 | SerajewelKS | luke-jr_work: no, that's not how ssh responds |
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| 21:19.12 | Vasistha | karsten: I've learned enough vim to maintain a password list there, with the gpg plugin ... and am of the strong opinion that I don't like modal editors, after going through a few tutorials and giving it a few days' testing |
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| 21:19.20 | SerajewelKS | luke-jr_work: not when the agent process is a zombie. since it is, the socket remains open, but never responds to the connection. all ssh processes will just hang. |
| 21:19.47 | SerajewelKS | luke-jr_work: unless you do something like 'SSH_AUTH_SOCK= ssh' which of course any gui browser won't have the foggiest idea how to do |
| 21:20.14 | SerajewelKS | Vasistha: the vim gpg plugin has some annoying bugs too |
| 21:20.38 | Vasistha | SerajewelKS: charming. so it's not even good for the one thing I use it for XD |
| 21:20.45 | Gurax | petemc: Vasistha: I see. Well I plan to lower the timeout from 1h to 30min or even 20. As for the trouble on email receiving petemc mentioned, my tests only involve a domain (brand new, I'm a brat to use a production domain for testing :D ) and i can see 3 emails have gotten through and 2 are still in grey. |
| 21:21.21 | SerajewelKS | Vasistha: hell, you'd probably have an easier time writing a perl/php script to present you with a textarea |
| 21:21.34 | karsten | Vasistha: Yeah, diff'r'n't strokes and all that. I like modality, and I *really* like console tools I can run over ssh and screen. |
| 21:21.58 | flyinprogramer | how do i enable .htaccess files in the apache config with debian, i can't remember... |
| 21:22.00 | me_here | i have a question regarding bootsplash's init.d conf file, which is referring to /proc/splash but there is no /proc/splash on mine... when i comment out that line everthing is ok till /sbin/splash.sh is complaining again that there's no /proc/splash, i patched kernel with bootsplash even then i don't get any /proc/splash file why ?? do i have to disable bootlogo for that ? |
| 21:22.08 | SerajewelKS | flyinprogramer: they are on by default |
| 21:22.42 | flyinprogramer | SerajewelKS: lies |
| 21:22.56 | wols_ | flyinprogramer: no lies |
| 21:23.00 | SerajewelKS | flyinprogramer: uhm, no |
| 21:23.09 | flyinprogramer | SerajewelKS: i currently have a .htaccess file in a folder, i can get inside that folder without typing in a password... |
| 21:23.22 | SerajewelKS | flyinprogramer: well then you configured it wrong |
| 21:23.28 | SerajewelKS | flyinprogramer: pastebin the file |
| 21:23.36 | dexomsrc | Can Pureftpd not force TLS on virtual users but make it optional for anonymous logins? |
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| 21:24.08 | me_here | fucking useless patches....they even don't find some programs which have to be there..... |
| 21:24.36 | karsten | Vasistha: The fact that I'm also running herd over a few hundred legacy Unix systems (which have bare-bones vi but not other editors) also makes the knowledge handy. |
| 21:24.46 | jnguy | Er. Anyone remember how to get sybase to actually execute a query, using tsql/isql? |
| 21:25.03 | me_here | splash is referred to as splash and not as (which splash) or $SPLASHBIN though $SPLASHBIN is defined and used before that already..... |
| 21:25.10 | flyinprogramer | http://nopaste.org/p/a4wAdgRd7 <- check it |
| 21:25.10 | me_here | bah |
| 21:25.15 | karsten | jnguy: Um, ';'? |
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| 21:25.34 | jnguy | naw. |
| 21:25.39 | karsten | jnguy: Have you tried sqsh? |
| 21:25.40 | Vasistha | karsten: ahh, see? I never plan to be a sys admin ;) |
| 21:25.40 | jnguy | its like run, or go |
| 21:25.54 | Micromus | the kernel, is that one of those small files in /boot? |
| 21:26.02 | karsten | jnguy: Not if it's bog standard SQL it ain't. |
| 21:26.09 | jnguy | karsten: Can't, limited to tsql; |
| 21:26.11 | jnguy | er |
| 21:26.13 | jnguy | tsql. |
| 21:26.14 | jnguy | hahaha. |
| 21:26.18 | karsten | Vasistha: So what do you aspire to? |
| 21:26.22 | jnguy | used to putting ';' at the end of lines now. |
| 21:26.33 | abrotman | flyinprogramer: they are on .. there might be an overriding directive in your conf file |
| 21:26.43 | Vasistha | karsten: I'm working on a 5th-generation database platform |
| 21:26.59 | flyinprogramer | abrotman: what should i look for in my apache.conf ? |
| 21:27.08 | Vasistha | karsten: if that wasn't on my horizons, I would probably teach middle school |
| 21:27.13 | karsten | Vasistha: WTF is 5GDB? |
| 21:27.21 | abrotman | GIGADECIBAL! |
| 21:27.23 | karsten | Vasistha: And you call *me* a masochist? |
| 21:27.32 | Gurax | latest update on my greylistd installation: It seems to work smoothly with the test domain. I have installed it on a separate machine altogether where the MX points to and there exim is configured to manualroute the message to where the MX previously pointed to and where the mailboxes reside. |
| 21:27.32 | karsten | !fishsmite abrotman |
| 21:27.33 | Vasistha | karsten: not object-oriented or relational |
| 21:27.35 | flyinprogramer | abrotman: no worries, my web directory is in /home/website, on a totally different hard drive |
| 21:27.37 | abrotman | flyinprogramer: Options lines iirc |
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| 21:27.40 | abrotman | flyinprogramer: ah ok |
| 21:27.47 | karsten | Vasistha: Great. |
| 21:27.55 | karsten | Vasistha: A virtual, irrelational database! |
| 21:28.13 | Vasistha | karsten: heh, I only know from doing a bit of substitute teaching that middle school is the best ;) |
| 21:28.41 | Micromus | the kernel, is that one of those small files in /boot? |
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| 21:29.07 | cat | !rmvb |
| 21:29.08 | Vasistha | karsten: it incorporates some elements of relational and OO db's, but also takes things to a new level. Anyway, in a few years, perhaps we'll get to see it in production |
| 21:29.13 | karsten | Vasistha: Got any refs on 5GL DBs? |
| 21:29.18 | cat | hey how do you play rmvb files? |
| 21:29.58 | SerajewelKS | flyinprogramer: you might need: AuthBasicProvider file |
| 21:30.02 | karsten | cat: with an rmvb player. |
| 21:30.30 | xingu | Vasistha: nb that dude that was around before querying his cack fonts - all he had to do was dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config and disable bitmap fonts. |
| 21:30.33 | Vasistha | karsten: I've kinda stopped sharing it on freenode, as I don't enjoy the negative reactions I've generally gotten from people. |
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| 21:30.36 | karsten | ... a top not of ... |
| 21:30.38 | SerajewelKS | flyinprogramer: you may also need to load a certain apache module for the authentication |
| 21:30.40 | karsten | s/not/note/ |
| 21:30.46 | karsten | ... Marketing Hype!! |
| 21:30.48 | SerajewelKS | flyinprogramer: i remember having to do that when switching from 2.0 to 2.2 |
| 21:30.58 | karsten | Vasistha: ... and a bottom note of ... |
| 21:31.00 | Vasistha | xingu: was that wrt Times New Roman on FF? |
| 21:31.05 | karsten | ... academic research funding grants! |
| 21:31.33 | flyinprogramer | SerajewelKS: any idea what i need to apt-get? |
| 21:31.46 | Vasistha | karsten: heh, we've got our funding figured out for the time being ;) |
| 21:31.49 | karsten | Vasistha: A very popular fragrence, but the base note tends to be very dissatisfying. |
| 21:31.54 | SerajewelKS | flyinprogramer: specifically, try running this as root: for i in auth_basic authn_file authz_default authz_groupfile authz_host authz_user; do a2enmod $i; done |
| 21:32.05 | xingu | Vasistha: yup, that simple. |
| 21:32.14 | SerajewelKS | flyinprogramer: then insert "AuthBasicProvider file" into your .htaccess and try again |
| 21:32.16 | karsten | Vasistha: /msg me a link if you've got one. Yes, I'm dubious, but curious. |
| 21:32.24 | ustunozgur | xingu: he didn't even install msttcorefonts but... |
| 21:32.25 | SerajewelKS | flyinprogramer: also check the apache logs |
| 21:32.39 | abrotman | flyinprogramer: it sohuld work without it |
| 21:33.01 | xingu | ustunozgur: doesn't matter, it'll use whatever fontconfig has a near-er match; for instance, one of the Type1 fonts - nimbus roman. |
| 21:33.13 | xingu | there's funky side effects though |
| 21:33.24 | me_here | fucking splash....grrr |
| 21:33.25 | xingu | I typically used the "fixed" bitmap font a lot |
| 21:33.27 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: so it does |
| 21:33.34 | holycow | *hmmm* |
| 21:33.36 | xingu | and anything fontconfig-ized can no longer find t |
| 21:33.36 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i recall needing that at one point... weird |
| 21:34.14 | holycow | in etch, do the kernel headers actualyl match the kernels? i'm trying to compile a module and its telling me 2.6.18-4-686 headers don't mathe the kernel |
| 21:34.18 | xingu | ustunozgur, Vasistha: oddly enough font rendering locally is now faster (having got shot of bitmapped fonts) |
| 21:34.35 | holycow | thoughts? |
| 21:35.07 | Supaplex | holycow: like those would be mixed up. what module are you compiling? |
| 21:35.24 | ustunozgur | xingu: modern men have replaced speed with beauty. the trend should be reversed ;) |
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| 21:35.29 | holycow | vmware tools modules |
| 21:35.33 | coban | how was it that you change a files name |
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| 21:35.54 | ribnitz | heyas |
| 21:35.56 | holycow | coban, mv |
| 21:35.59 | Supaplex | holycow: dpkg -l linux-image-`uname -r` linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 21:36.05 | coban | holycow: thanks |
| 21:36.26 | ribnitz | Where do I get the tools to make ext4 filesystems? -are they already packaged for Debian? |
| 21:36.40 | flyinprogramer | ok, the .htaccess file is working |
| 21:37.05 | xingu | ustunozgur, Vasistha: the real payoff for the specific example - crapola times rendering - is not antialiasing; it's that the glyphs are vector and rendered at display dpi |
| 21:37.14 | Supaplex | !tell ribnitz -about search |
| 21:37.21 | xingu | ustunozgur, Vasistha: ... and not just scaled bitmaps which obviously reek visually. |
| 21:37.45 | holycow | Supaplex, danke |
| 21:37.54 | xingu | ustunozgur, Vasistha: the beryl zoomer shows the effect quite nicely |
| 21:38.09 | flyinprogramer | uggg why isn't this stupid file working |
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| 21:38.18 | ribnitz | Supaplex: Would I ask if i hadnt already done that (SID)? |
| 21:38.25 | ustunozgur | xingu: my previous girlfriend was named beryl, I don't use it :D |
| 21:38.34 | Vasistha | xingu: heh, I might have thought of 'xmag' ;) |
| 21:38.53 | xingu | Vasistha: that'd work too. |
| 21:39.22 | xingu | anyway |
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| 21:39.40 | xingu | now that I've wasted 2h+ fiddling about with x11 fonts ... again... |
| 21:39.49 | Supaplex | ribnitz: afaik ext4 isn't even in the mainstream kernel, atleast not in 2.6.18. was it officially added? And why assume you're already running sid? :) we get noobs all the time that have SUS syndrome |
| 21:39.50 | Vasistha | ustunozgur: speaking of aversions ... I haven't enjoyed an email client since I left windows and Eudora. But I recently found out Eudora's working with the mozilla people to make a client based on some of the thunderbird foundations ... and their current project name is 'penelope' ... ugh, I have an abusive aunt by that name -- won't use it! |
| 21:40.16 | ustunozgur | :) |
| 21:40.19 | ribnitz | Supaplex: AFAIK, in since 2.6.20.. |
| 21:40.40 | ribnitz | or 19 |
| 21:40.44 | ustunozgur | but the thing with beryl is: everyone is going like: beryl is beautiful, really beautiful. |
| 21:40.53 | ustunozgur | and I say, yeah I know, but that passed :) |
| 21:41.04 | Supaplex | ribnitz: ahh cool. I'd file a wishlish on the package for fsck.ext3 |
| 21:41.33 | ustunozgur | Vasistha: I use opera's mail btw. |
| 21:41.38 | ribnitz | Supaplex: ok. |
| 21:42.01 | xingu | ustunozgur: just call it "opencompositing" |
| 21:42.05 | holycow | i like beryl, it adds the 'smooth' to the ui. not terribly usefull but not having chopy window transitions is nice |
| 21:42.08 | xingu | ustunozgur: rolls right off the tongue, that |
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| 21:42.33 | Vasistha | ustunozgur: really! gosh. Maybe I'll try it. I use opera for my browser, and have been ... less than satisfied with kmail. I have a buddy who had previously tried opera for browsing and didn't like it; I recommended he try again and he got hooked on it for browsing *and* email! So maybe it's time I try opera email again. |
| 21:42.45 | ribnitz | Supaplex: In since 2.6.19; backjward compatible with ext3 (partially) |
| 21:43.01 | xingu | anyway; I'd suggest you guys give the bitmap-font-free lifestyle a go too if you're running gnome or kde |
| 21:43.04 | ustunozgur | Vasistha: I have converted about 10 of my friends to opera :) |
| 21:43.18 | tarzeau | ribnitz: do you ever play sauerbraten? |
| 21:43.22 | Supaplex | !ext4 |
| 21:43.23 | dpkg | rumour has it, ext4 is a filesystem that is backward compatible with ext3, but also adds new features such as support for volumes up to 1 exabyte (1024 petabytes) and added extent support. |
| 21:43.30 | ribnitz | tarzeau: nope.. |
| 21:43.32 | xingu | if not, forget I spoke; but menus and things like firefox seem to be a whole bunch snappier here |
| 21:43.35 | Thaiger | This is not debian specific, but how do I keep iptables from spooling packet data onto the terminal? |
| 21:43.49 | xingu | no clue if that's magics in the display driver or what |
| 21:43.53 | eldowan | Wow, first I've heard of ext4. Anyone heard anything new about the reiser murder case? |
| 21:44.02 | Supaplex | ribnitz: if only we had a few good 1 exabyte drives to test with huh? :p |
| 21:44.09 | ustunozgur | xingu: they will change the name I think. I might use it then :) |
| 21:44.12 | Vasistha | ustunozgur: hehe, awesome ... it's certainly easier than converting them to linux! I've converted several people to opera, myself; haven't really kept count |
| 21:44.20 | holycow | eldowan, yes, reisers wifes boyfriend admitted to being a serial murderer. he killed like 8 other peopl |
| 21:44.25 | holycow | but appearently not hans' wife |
| 21:44.29 | ribnitz | Supaplex: compose, as a hardware RAID thing? |
| 21:44.32 | abrotman | holycow: stop |
| 21:44.33 | holycow | you couldn't write that if you tried |
| 21:44.39 | eldowan | holycow: Holycow! |
| 21:44.42 | SerajewelKS | flyinprogramer: why did you reboot |
| 21:44.53 | flyinprogramer | idk thought it might help |
| 21:44.54 | SerajewelKS | flyinprogramer: this ain't windows |
| 21:44.56 | Supaplex | ribnitz: well, anything. |
| 21:44.57 | tarzeau | eldowan: http://news.google.com/news?um=1&tab=wn&client=links2&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.debian:en-US:unofficial&q=murder+reiser |
| 21:44.58 | flyinprogramer | i know |
| 21:44.59 | Dimedo | can anyone imagine a way to export only the UDP payload data (and only that) of a wireshark captured .cap file to a regular textfile (one packet per line)? i already tried ngrep but can't find any option to cut-off the UDP/IP headers before the output. (currently using: ngrep -xI dump.pcap udp) |
| 21:45.01 | ribnitz | Is that Reiser guy out of prison yet? |
| 21:45.04 | Supaplex | !reboot |
| 21:45.04 | dpkg | you want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about qotd2 |
| 21:45.06 | abrotman | ribnitz: stop already |
| 21:45.18 | SerajewelKS | flyinprogramer: rebooting was basically a really long way of saying '/etc/init.d/apache2 restart' |
| 21:45.22 | Supaplex | !qotd2 |
| 21:45.22 | dpkg | <mrvn> Broadcast message from root (Sat Aug 7 05:48:42 2004): <mrvn> The system is going down for system halt NOW! <mrvn> What the fuck is dselect/dpkg doing a reboot for? <trave11er> mrvn: for changes to take effect? ;-) <StevenK> mrvn: You *had* to move the mouse, didn't you? <mrvn> StevenK: damn, yes. I accidentally pushed it. |
| 21:45.28 | ribnitz | abrotman: ok. No more ext4 then. :) |
| 21:45.47 | flyinprogramer | SerajewelKS: i know |
| 21:45.59 | flyinprogramer | so anyone got any ideas to what's wrong with my system? |
| 21:46.02 | Micromus | Is the Linux LPI cert any worth? |
| 21:46.11 | tarzeau | Micromus: depends |
| 21:46.13 | holycow | Micromus, depends on your employer |
| 21:46.38 | SerajewelKS | flyinprogramer: are you doing this with mod_userdir? |
| 21:46.54 | Micromus | i was thinking like in general, is it like a CISSP or a security+? |
| 21:46.58 | flyinprogramer | SerajewelKS: i don't know |
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| 21:47.23 | SerajewelKS | flyinprogramer: where is the folder you are accessing in the filesystem, and what url do you use to access it? |
| 21:48.09 | flyinprogramer | well... actually hold on, cuz now nothing is working |
| 21:48.17 | flyinprogramer | like, i can't get to any website |
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| 21:48.22 | flyinprogramer | on my machine |
| 21:48.23 | ribnitz | Micromus: I think its more of a practical thing. |
| 21:48.53 | ustunozgur | so Reiser was married for a couple of months?? |
| 21:48.53 | SerajewelKS | flyinprogramer: "can't get to" isn't an error. what is the exact error? connection refused? connection timed out? file not found? |
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| 21:50.21 | ustunozgur | oh they divorced in 2004. |
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| 21:52.06 | flyinprogramer | SerajewelKS: ok, now everything is back up... |
| 21:52.08 | Stephaknee | hey, how do i set up a dot matrix printer to work in linux? |
| 21:52.11 | SerajewelKS | man root beer and grape juice go pretty well together |
| 21:52.21 | Stephaknee | i can echo to it, but i want something a little easier to remember |
| 21:52.25 | SerajewelKS | flyinprogramer: okay, so what are the paths i asked for? |
| 21:53.01 | dvs | Stephaknee: a what!?!?! |
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| 21:53.05 | amitar | question: unstable: since recent update cups starting using the cupsys user to run the filters rather than the lp user - anyone can confirm/explain? |
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| 21:53.12 | Stephaknee | dvs: dot matrix printer |
| 21:53.30 | dvs | Stephaknee: Star Micronic NX-1000 ? |
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| 21:53.36 | Stephaknee | dvs: EPSON LX-800 |
| 21:53.52 | Stephaknee | dvs: I knew they were really easy to make work in linux, and i wanted a printer.....so i stopped at goodwill, and it cost me $4 |
| 21:54.16 | SerajewelKS | flyinprogramer: that is, what is the url you expect to be password-protected, and where is this directory in the filesystem? |
| 21:54.22 | ribnitz | Stephaknee: Noisy.. |
| 21:54.32 | Stephaknee | ribnitz: i know. they sound cool though. |
| 21:54.41 | ribnitz | Stephaknee: slow. |
| 21:54.49 | SerajewelKS | flyinprogramer: (i'm going to be afkish for a bit btw) |
| 21:54.50 | dvs | Stephaknee: well, I'm not sure. I haven't dealt with dot matrix printers since I bought my first Canon BJ-10e printer |
| 21:54.55 | ribnitz | Stephaknee: Unwieldy if you print a lot. |
| 21:55.37 | flyinprogramer | SerajewelKS: /home/Music/ , http://foolishmoon.com/Music |
| 21:55.39 | ribnitz | Stephaknee: Wouldnt be amused if there was a cups driver |
| 21:55.55 | flyinprogramer | SerajewelKS: currently i have no permission to go there... going to check my access log |
| 21:55.59 | SerajewelKS | flyinprogramer: okay, so is this just a symbolic link? |
| 21:56.14 | SerajewelKS | flyinprogramer: probably /home/Music is not readable by www-data |
| 21:56.21 | flyinprogramer | o, nope, i meant /home/website/Music |
| 21:56.31 | SerajewelKS | ok |
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| 21:56.47 | SerajewelKS | did you just retarget the document root in the default site? |
| 21:57.02 | alleyoopster | can someone tell me why the aptitude man page is full of fB's and fR's? |
| 21:57.07 | flyinprogramer | SerajewelKS: i did, you'll notice, foolishmoon.com works |
| 21:57.19 | flyinprogramer | SerajewelKS: my error.log says its forbidden by Options |
| 21:58.08 | Stephaknee | ribnitz: but you can just echo to it and it prints. |
| 21:58.27 | Stephaknee | oh well, wtf, i just tried printing to it in konqueror and it just prints. |
| 21:58.28 | holycow | *hmmm* |
| 21:58.51 | holycow | i changed my hostname and now i can't bring up my eth card, am i doing someting obviously stupid here? |
| 21:59.10 | karsten | !tell holycow about smart questions |
| 21:59.12 | alleyoopster | I am sure there is a reason for this on each line, but it ,makes it very hard to read |
| 21:59.13 | amitar | can anyone confirm/knows reason for the following: since recent update of sid, cupsd runs its filters (printer backends, convertors etc.) under the "cupsys" user, rather than the "lp" user (causes me trouble because the cupsys has /bin/false for shell, so it can't run dchroot scripts) |
| 21:59.13 | Stephaknee | ribnitz: oh, and i dont print much. |
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| 21:59.26 | holycow | !tell karsten about not being a dick |
| 21:59.35 | karsten | holycow: What command? How are you bringing up the card? How is it configured (/etc/network/interfaces? How does it fail? |
| 21:59.42 | karsten | holycow: Dude, chill. |
| 21:59.52 | holycow | karsten, :) ehe |
| 22:00.43 | flyinprogramer | SerajewelKS: what Option could block me from viewing a directory |
| 22:00.44 | holycow | karsten, i set it for dhcp, an ifup eth0 results in 'error while getting interface flags: no such device'. i've seen this before but i'm not googling a solution to it |
| 22:01.03 | flyinprogramer | SerajewelKS: what should i chmod the folder to be, will 777 work? |
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| 22:02.16 | Vasistha | flyinprogramer: 777 will work |
| 22:02.21 | flyinprogramer | right |
| 22:02.27 | flyinprogramer | so why is this broken ? |
| 22:02.31 | karsten | holycow: ifconfig down the interface. Unload/reload modules. Retry ifup. |
| 22:02.38 | flyinprogramer | like apache should not be that hard |
| 22:02.40 | Vasistha | flyinprogramer: it may not be what you *want* but it will allow anyone to view it ;) 755 is more conservative |
| 22:02.46 | karsten | !be an apache barbie |
| 22:02.46 | dpkg | editing config files by hand is so HARD! |
| 22:03.11 | flyinprogramer | ii know that, but seriously, what Option is blocking me from viewing that directory? |
| 22:04.14 | holycow | karsten, danke, that has me on the right road |
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| 22:04.39 | abrotman | flyinprogramer: the order of those options matters very much |
| 22:04.47 | flyinprogramer | really |
| 22:04.53 | abrotman | was that sarcasm ? |
| 22:04.57 | stew | flyinprogramer: you are looking for the Indexes option |
| 22:05.04 | stew | flyinprogramer: and you never want 777 |
| 22:05.11 | flyinprogramer | ok, well i'm going to pastebin my apache.conf and 00-default like.. soon |
| 22:05.19 | flyinprogramer | within minutes |
| 22:05.40 | stew | flyinprogramer: set 'Option +Indexes' in a Directory stanza |
| 22:05.51 | SerajewelKS | flyinprogramer: you need the AuthConfig and Indexes options on to do what you want |
| 22:06.22 | stew | AuthConfig? |
| 22:06.27 | karsten | holycow: As I said: asking smart questions helps. |
| 22:06.40 | stew | flyinprogramer: if you are trying to set Indexes using .htaccess then you need AllowOverride FileInfo |
| 22:06.43 | karsten | stew: Other than /tmp, and then it's 1777. |
| 22:07.04 | stew | sure |
| 22:07.23 | flyinprogramer | please help me fix this > http://nopaste.org/p/a6sBV59alb |
| 22:07.30 | stew | "i'm trying to fix something, maybe i should try chmod 777" is never a good idea |
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| 22:08.07 | flyinprogramer | that was my 00-default from sites-enabled |
| 22:08.16 | flyinprogramer | here is my actual apache.conf > http://nopaste.org/p/axjJk0Fzm |
| 22:08.26 | stew | flyinprogramer: you want to ad the Indexes option to that directory |
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| 22:08.49 | karsten | stew: ... and a few files under /dev. |
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| 22:09.17 | flyinprogramer | stew: Options Indexes FollowSymLinks MultiViews ? |
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| 22:09.21 | stew | karsten: there are executable files in /dev ? |
| 22:09.24 | stew | flyinprogramer: yes |
| 22:10.08 | stew | executing /dev/null isn't going to be terribly useful |
| 22:10.23 | karsten | stew: Point. Well, some links and directories. |
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| 22:10.35 | stew | but the directories aren't world writable |
| 22:10.38 | calamari | hi |
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| 22:10.54 | flyinprogramer | finally |
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| 22:11.13 | flyinprogramer | ok, now is there something i have to add to my Options line to get .htaccess files working? |
| 22:11.16 | karsten | stew: Picking nits, that wasn't your question ;-) |
| 22:11.35 | chop1 | flyinprogramer: Not to the Options line, but to the AllowOverrides line (IIRC) |
| 22:11.39 | chop1 | flyinprogramer: Search the apache docs |
| 22:12.01 | SerajewelKS | flyinprogramer: you need at least AllowOverride AuthConfig |
| 22:12.11 | SerajewelKS | flyinprogramer: AllowOverride All will probably be a better bet |
| 22:12.29 | stew | flyinprogramer: what is your .htaccess file trying to do? |
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| 22:12.45 | SerajewelKS | stew: it's basic auth |
| 22:12.45 | karsten | stew: But, other than that, no, no executables in /dev: sudo find /dev -perm /111 -print0 | xargs -0 sudo ls -ld | grep -v '^[ld]' |
| 22:13.48 | flyinprogramer | stew: i'm trying to make it so that only those with access to my music collection can use it |
| 22:14.45 | flyinprogramer | ok, i added AuthConfig to AllowOverride, and apache said it was an illegal option |
| 22:15.06 | xingu | karsten: I'm surprised that udev's /dev isn't mounted noexec,nosuid |
| 22:15.44 | flyinprogramer | my bad |
| 22:15.49 | flyinprogramer | i'm smoking pot |
| 22:16.05 | Stephaknee | ok, i was wrong about that |
| 22:16.17 | Stephaknee | apparently it was printing gibberish ;/ |
| 22:16.20 | flyinprogramer | yay |
| 22:16.22 | karsten | xingu: Hrm. Bugworthy? |
| 22:16.23 | flyinprogramer | it works |
| 22:16.30 | flyinprogramer | have to lay off the pot from now on |
| 22:16.40 | xingu | karsten: I think so to be honest. |
| 22:17.29 | xingu | karsten: would probably want to run it that way on a trashbox for a week or so to flush out any nasties |
| 22:17.47 | karsten | xingu: /proc is noexec, nosuid, nodev, sysfs as well, procbususb is not, udev is not, tmpfs is nosuid nodev, devpts is noexec, nosuid, binfmt_misc is noexec nosuid, nodev, tmpfs is nosuid. |
| 22:18.35 | karsten | xingu: For obious reasons, it can't be nodev ;-) |
| 22:18.41 | xingu | karsten: ;) |
| 22:19.07 | xingu | karsten: I'm not sure if there's any funnies about mmap()/mprotect() and noexec these days or not |
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| 22:19.21 | karsten | xingu: ?? |
| 22:19.22 | xingu | karsten: obviously, it's highly desirable to allow mmap of devfs |
| 22:19.41 | xingu | karsten: mprotect() is one way to sidestep noexec mount |
| 22:20.12 | xingu | karsten: some kernels fail it on noexec mounts for that reason; not sure what the current religion is |
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| 22:21.02 | xingu | nosuid on dev should be safe enough I'd think |
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| 22:23.08 | amitar | can anyone confirm/knows reason for the following: since recent update of sid, cupsd runs its filters (printer backends, convertors etc.) under the "cupsys" user, rather than the "lp" user (causes me trouble because the cupsys has /bin/false for shell, so it can't run dchroot scripts) |
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| 22:24.06 | tarzeau | amitar: http://changelogs.debian.net/cupsys ? |
| 22:24.57 | bigfam | im install debootstrap via a chroot enviroment...when i run grub-install i get '/dev/hda: Not found or not a block device.' |
| 22:25.52 | amitar | tarzeau: don't know which update exactly. recent updates contain LOTS of merges from ubuntu, but I could not find anything that seems to match (maybe should look closer) |
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| 22:25.56 | ribnitz | 425477 |
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| 22:26.39 | ribnitz | bigfam: SCSI/SATA? |
| 22:26.53 | bigfam | nope |
| 22:27.04 | xingu | karsten: you've seen libpam-tmpdir too, right? :) |
| 22:27.07 | ribnitz | bigfam: PATA (IDE?) |
| 22:27.20 | bigfam | its an old laptop (p2) |
| 22:27.28 | bigfam | normal ide or whatever |
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| 22:27.59 | ribnitz | just today I had issues witrh loose connectors on a plain computer |
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| 22:28.16 | bigfam | ribniz when i do a 'df' i see no mounts |
| 22:28.28 | ribnitz | bigfam: mount -a? |
| 22:28.45 | bigfam | i did that |
| 22:28.52 | bigfam | i guess my fstab is wrong |
| 22:28.58 | ribnitz | bigfam: empty fstab? |
| 22:29.14 | ribnitz | bigfam: anything useful in syslog? |
| 22:29.16 | karsten | xingu: No. |
| 22:29.16 | stew | bigfam: you should "mount --bind /dev /path/to/chroot/dev" before you chroot |
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| 22:29.22 | karsten | xingu: I'm filing a bug, BTW. |
| 22:29.39 | xingu | karsten: onya |
| 22:29.40 | bigfam | i dunno, i just copied the default one from the install guide and changed it to point to my / and swap |
| 22:29.45 | stew | bigfam: and make sure you have /proc and /sys in /etc/fstab, then run "mount /sys ; mount /proc" after you chroot |
| 22:29.59 | bigfam | ill try that stew |
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| 22:30.24 | karsten | xingu: Sent. |
| 22:30.35 | beeyatch | strange |
| 22:30.37 | sudo_maddash | karsten: what bug is this? |
| 22:30.44 | beeyatch | anyone know why debian etch is missing apache 1.3 mod_proxy? |
| 22:30.48 | beeyatch | its not in the libs dir :o |
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| 22:30.55 | bigfam | stew, i have proc but not sys in fstab |
| 22:31.05 | karsten | sudo_maddash: Sort of a wishlist w/ security implications. udev should mount nosuid and possibly noexec. |
| 22:31.06 | stew | bigfam: add proc to fstab |
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| 22:31.17 | stew | oh |
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| 22:31.27 | stew | bigfam: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 22:31.41 | karsten | bigfam: /etc/init.d/mountkernfs.sh |
| 22:31.48 | bigfam | 2.6.19 |
| 22:31.56 | ribnitz | 2.6.20 |
| 22:31.57 | bigfam | knoppix kernel |
| 22:32.01 | bigfam | i think that is |
| 22:32.07 | Vasistha | any idea why nfs takes *so* long to connect and disconnect? 'time mount /nfs-lilac/Docs' and the same for umount consistently takes 3 mins, 9 secs |
| 22:32.31 | bigfam | uname -r gives the knoppix kernel when in the chroot |
| 22:32.31 | stew | bigfam: then "mount /sys" should work |
| 22:32.35 | ribnitz | Vasistha: it is over the network. |
| 22:33.04 | ribnitz | Vasistha: plus there are lots of params to play around with. |
| 22:33.09 | xingu | Vasistha: what sort of round trip delay between client and server? |
| 22:33.10 | Vasistha | ribnitz: the machine's right here ... I get 30 Mb/s file transfers with ssh or once it's connected; |
| 22:33.44 | Vasistha | xingu: as indicated by, e.g., ping? |
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| 22:33.51 | karsten | Vasistha: ufs or tcp? |
| 22:33.56 | ribnitz | Vasistha: in other word, what odes a ping report? |
| 22:34.02 | karsten | Vasistha: erm, udp or tcp? |
| 22:34.11 | xingu | Vasistha: yes; and do you get a different result adding ... proto=tcp ... to your mount opts? |
| 22:34.12 | karsten | ribnitz: grecian urns. |
| 22:34.15 | Vasistha | 0.2 ms |
| 22:34.28 | bigfam | stew grub-install still says it can't find /dev/hda |
| 22:34.29 | bigfam | bleh |
| 22:34.35 | ribnitz | karsten: most definitely. |
| 22:34.36 | stew | bigfam: does /dev/hda exist? |
| 22:34.49 | ribnitz | bigfam: MAKEDEV? |
| 22:35.09 | stew | bigfam: does it exist outside the chroot? |
| 22:35.14 | karsten | Vasistha: That should be better. Also check your retry and timeo values. |
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| 22:35.28 | karsten | Vasistha: Sounds like you're triggering one or more of those. |
| 22:35.36 | bigfam | stew of course it does, im in knoppix right now, i went through the entire debootstrap install guide and am at the end of it (which is install bootloader) |
| 22:35.41 | bigfam | err yes it exists out of the chroot |
| 22:36.05 | stew | bigfam: it exists both inside and outside, but grub-install says it can't find it? |
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| 22:36.10 | Vasistha | karsten: well, I'm not setting them explicitly. The options I've got are rw,exec,users,noauto |
| 22:36.16 | xingu | linux udp is really efficient at throwing packets away, and linux nfs on udp reacts really badly to that. |
| 22:36.47 | bigfam | well outside it i can mount and umount /dev/hda1 |
| 22:36.51 | bigfam | so it exists there |
| 22:36.56 | Vasistha | ''mount lilac:/Docs /nfs-ibex/Docs/ -o proto=tcp'' is taking a long time, started it maybe 30 seconds ago :P I forgot to use ''time'' |
| 22:36.59 | ribnitz | xingu: I have always seen nfs as something sun was good at. |
| 22:37.00 | bigfam | inside it I guess it doesn't exist |
| 22:37.06 | bigfam | because grub-install says it can't find it |
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| 22:37.16 | stew | bigfam: then you didn't run the mount --bind /dev /path/to/chroot/dev |
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| 22:37.36 | stew | bigfam: don't guess if it exists or not, just use ls to know for sure |
| 22:37.49 | xingu | Vasistha: 30s at 0.2ms rtt is too long; mine linux<->solaris takes order=ms |
| 22:37.56 | SlackRat | !Monday |
| 22:37.56 | dpkg | Looks like someone is having a case of the mondays!, or see tuesday |
| 22:38.18 | xingu | Vasistha: are you using anything oddball like kerberos or nfsv4 ? |
| 22:38.22 | bigfam | stew, i do that before I enter the chroot? |
| 22:38.24 | Vasistha | xingu: well, yeah :) I found it interesting that it consistently (like, 5 times in a row) returned a result of 3m9s |
| 22:38.26 | stew | bigfam: yes |
| 22:38.39 | stew | bigfam: it will give the chroot access to knoppix's /dev |
| 22:38.41 | xingu | Vasistha: is your nfs server swapping like buggery? :) |
| 22:38.45 | Vasistha | xingu: I don't think so (re kerberos, nfsv4) ... just installed nfs-kernel-server on the server |
| 22:38.54 | Vasistha | xingu: no swapping |
| 22:39.30 | Vasistha | heh, the real torture is that I have to wait 3m9s to *umount* as well! |
| 22:39.35 | beeyatch | damn debian etchs apache 1.3 package leaks mod_proxy |
| 22:39.52 | xingu | Vasistha: try proto=tcp,nfsvers=3 |
| 22:39.59 | xingu | Vasistha: just on a whim |
| 22:40.03 | Octopus | How to make a screenshot in gnome? |
| 22:40.18 | Vasistha | xingu: allright, will do that once the umount finishes :-/ Actually, I could mount another volume on the same machine! |
| 22:40.28 | stew | Octopus: /msg dpkg ss |
| 22:40.51 | xingu | Vasistha: is there any funky packet filtering going on for client or server? |
| 22:40.53 | amphi | Octopus: gimp or 'xwd -root | xwdtopnm | pnmtopng > foo.png' are two ways |
| 22:40.56 | amitar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:41.41 | Vasistha | xingu: I wouldn't expect so -- they're both debian etch boxes, and I haven't set anything up beyond a guarddog firewall |
| 22:41.57 | nethenson | If i have, my ~/downloads/deb_files ... can i add it to my sources.list? |
| 22:42.01 | Vasistha | xingu: ...and there's nothing between them 'cept a basic 100 Mbps switch |
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| 22:42.25 | Octopus | ok |
| 22:42.30 | Vasistha | nethenson: you can, though it's a little tricky -- you have to set up a "trivial repository". I can give you a little script if you like |
| 22:42.37 | xingu | Vasistha: probably drop the guarddog firewall while you're troubleshooting. |
| 22:42.47 | Vasistha | xingu: not a bad idea, will do |
| 22:42.55 | nethenson | Vasistha: i'd be great if you gave me the script |
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| 22:43.41 | stew | nethenson: apt-cache show apt-move |
| 22:43.46 | xingu | Vasistha: remember that most of the rpc stack that nfs sits on uses dynamic ports and callbacks |
| 22:43.47 | bubux | how can i have a nice test of my just-installed graphic card? |
| 22:44.02 | bigfam | stew, now grub install says /dev/hda does not have any corresponding BIOS drive. |
| 22:44.16 | Vasistha | xingu: geez, I wish I knew what all that meant :) ohh, maybe I do ... maybe it's trying one port after another until it finds one that the firewall isn't blocking? |
| 22:44.21 | nethenson | thanks stew :) |
| 22:44.48 | dexomsrc | How is it that KDE 3.5.7 made it into sid when 3.5.6 is the latest KDE version? |
| 22:44.52 | signuts | How do I get /lib/cpp to pass sanity check? :) ( trying to run an autoconf ./configure ) configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check |
| 22:44.55 | eldowan | bubux: beryl? compiz? |
| 22:45.06 | xingu | Vasistha: possibly; or possibly it's just timing out and failing things, like id mapping and remote lock management |
| 22:45.34 | xingu | Vasistha: in any case, drop the firewall ruleset back to a permit everything just to eliminate that as a fault area |
| 22:45.45 | h3sp4wn | dexomsrc: insider trading |
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| 22:46.00 | Vasistha | xingu: yeah ... it's interesting that it *consistently* takes 3m9s to mount or umount. I'm working on trying to figure out how to turn the firewall off :-/ firewall is the one thing I haven't figured out how to do without the gui |
| 22:46.12 | bubux | eldowan: which installs easy in debian etch? which is cooler? they run over gnome or are another windows mananger? |
| 22:46.33 | Vasistha | ooh, there it is -- the little disable firewall checkbox :D |
| 22:46.43 | eldowan | bubux: IIRC, they both can run gnome, but I've ran compiz(i think) in kde |
| 22:46.48 | xingu | Vasistha: double check it with iptables --list -n -v |
| 22:46.48 | h3sp4wn | dexomsrc: Or they just downloaded when it was tagged |
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| 22:47.18 | Vasistha | xingu: well, that brought up a whole mess of stuff :) so maybe it's not actually disabled |
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| 22:47.34 | xingu | signuts: what kind of a source tree embeds /lib/cpp ? |
| 22:48.00 | signuts | xingu, not mine ;-) |
| 22:48.00 | xingu | signuts: I mean really, that's the oddest place to put your preprocessor I've ever seen, and I used to admin cl/ix boxen. |
| 22:48.10 | ribnitz | xingu: autoconf is not that trivial.. |
| 22:49.00 | signuts | xingu, ironically I have a /lib/cpp -- so regardless of how dated it is.. |
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| 22:49.16 | Vasistha | hum, is there a simple iptables command to just turn off all firewalling? |
| 22:49.57 | eldowan | Vasistha: I think there is the -f flag IIRC. I seem to remember it flushes the settings. |
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| 22:50.05 | xingu | Vasistha: you basically have to flush at least the INPUT and OUTPUT chains and then set the default policy to ccept or permit. |
| 22:50.10 | ribnitz | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:50.16 | mc__ | Vasistha: /etc/rc.d/init.d/iptables stop |
| 22:50.17 | xingu | Vasistha: nb do this at a physical console. :) |
| 22:50.21 | eldowan | thats the one. |
| 22:50.41 | Vasistha | xingu: hehe, yeah, both client and server are within an arm's reach ;) |
| 22:50.50 | xingu | Vasistha: don't forget --policy INPUT ACCEPT etc. |
| 22:52.14 | xingu | signuts: you're probably missing kernel includes. |
| 22:52.23 | xingu | signuts: check config.log for more detail |
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| 22:52.53 | signuts | aye, will do |
| 22:53.17 | Vasistha | !ping |
| 22:53.18 | dpkg | pong |
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| 22:54.11 | XMR2F77 | hi, is there a bug report channel? |
| 22:54.13 | Vasistha | well, I did ''iptables -F'' and I am still connected to irc ;) so, that's a good sign. I now no longer have any rules, although I still have quite a number of chains. |
| 22:54.18 | Vasistha | !bugs |
| 22:54.20 | dpkg | error: could not parse |
| 22:54.27 | Vasistha | !bts |
| 22:54.27 | dpkg | from memory, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 22:54.50 | XMR2F77 | than |
| 22:54.51 | XMR2F77 | x |
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| 22:55.23 | xingu | Vasistha: if the input/output chains are empty, that should suffice; the remaining chains would only get used if they were targets or you were routing packets. |
| 22:55.24 | Vasistha | xingu: holy moly, that's it -- now I can mount/umount in 0.2 s |
| 22:55.38 | xingu | Vasistha: ok, you get to work out which rule is doing the damage ;) |
| 22:55.47 | Insolit | hi all |
| 22:55.54 | Vasistha | xingu: hah, yeah ... what fun ... hrm. |
| 22:55.57 | xingu | Vasistha: in general it's a delicate art to do a good job of firewalling sun rpc |
| 22:55.58 | Insolit | what's the command to check what is using a device? |
| 22:56.25 | xingu | Vasistha: there's some specific netfilter match modules that will either assist or infuriate depending on how bugfree they are today |
| 22:56.25 | Vasistha | Insolit: well, there's lsof for what processes are using *files* |
| 22:56.56 | dkr | Insolit: fuser |
| 22:57.06 | Insolit | i know fuser |
| 22:57.11 | Insolit | but there's another one |
| 22:57.15 | Insolit | better then fuser |
| 22:57.31 | liable | lsof |
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| 22:57.34 | karsten | xingu: http://bugs.debian.org/425481 |
| 22:57.37 | Insolit | fuser not always reports what's using a device |
| 22:57.42 | Insolit | can i use lsof in a device? |
| 22:57.54 | Insolit | :D |
| 22:57.54 | dkr | you can grep the output of lsof for a device file |
| 22:57.55 | Insolit | indeed |
| 22:57.56 | xingu | Vasistha: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/NFS-HOWTO/security.html <- 6.4, but read the whole lot. |
| 22:57.58 | athame | how do i combine several rar files that are parts of a single password protected rar under unix? |
| 22:58.02 | athame | or linux* |
| 22:58.04 | Insolit | thanks mates |
| 22:58.12 | xingu | karsten: cool, thanks again. |
| 22:58.18 | Vasistha | xingu: yeah, I gather I've got a lot of reading ahead of me if I'm gonna solve this :) |
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| 22:58.31 | Southern | Hi! |
| 22:58.37 | psychonate | athame, I belive you just unrar the first one in the series |
| 22:58.47 | psychonate | s/belive/believe |
| 22:58.50 | karsten | xingu: Read marco's response. My back-atchya is "well, a, it's not security by obscurity, it's security by least privilege, and can you justify why we need to provide exec / suid permissions? |
| 22:58.50 | athame | psychonate: what about the password? |
| 22:58.57 | Vasistha | athame: you'll probably want the non-free rar packages, search p.d.o for rar |
| 22:58.58 | dkr | tar them up? :) |
| 22:59.08 | athame | ok |
| 22:59.19 | xingu | karsten: yep I was just thinking that myself |
| 22:59.21 | karsten | athame: Um. Unpack and repack them. Preferably in a real archive format. |
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| 22:59.38 | athame | i'm finding a way to unpack them first karrotx |
| 22:59.41 | athame | karsten* |
| 22:59.48 | psychonate | just unrar the first file |
| 22:59.51 | psychonate | not sure about the password |
| 22:59.54 | GaiaX11_ | I have had problems with my cd/dvd driver. They mount the media, but sometimes they fail. Do you think that I have to clean their lens up with alcohol? |
| 23:00.09 | xingu | karsten: tell him to make it possible to pass mount flags in /etc/udev/udev.conf |
| 23:00.49 | athame | ok psychonate |
| 23:00.55 | athame | i'm downloading unrar right now |
| 23:01.09 | xingu | karsten: he already has tmpfs_size=... - perhaps "noexec=[true|false]" and "nosuid=[true|false]" defaulting both to false for the moment? |
| 23:01.14 | karsten | xingu: Where exactly is udev mounted from? /etc/init.d/udev ? |
| 23:01.19 | xingu | karsten: yep |
| 23:01.47 | xingu | karsten: tmpfs_noexec, tmpfs_nodev I guess is a better fit. |
| 23:02.55 | karsten | xingu: tmpfs or udev itself? |
| 23:02.55 | xingu | karsten: if you were being cheeky you could actually get away with setting tmpfs_size to "10M,noexec,nosuid" |
| 23:02.55 | karsten | xingu: Overloaded. |
| 23:02.55 | holycow | what the hell? |
| 23:02.56 | xingu | karsten: /etc/udev/udev.conf:tmpfs_... is used by /etc/init.d/udev when mounting /dev |
| 23:02.56 | holycow | how is it possible to screw up the interfaces file? |
| 23:02.59 | karsten | athame: Note that there's a free and non-free unrar. Microsoft has f*cked up that standard as well. |
| 23:03.05 | Insolit | well this might be a stupid question but if all system is utf8, also our consoles are set to display utf8, how can i see correctly the contents of a vfat partition type in iso8859-15 charset? |
| 23:03.11 | holycow | i uncommented everything back the way it was and now debian can't read it? has anyone run into this before? |
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| 23:03.19 | karsten | holycow: Would you like me to count the ways? |
| 23:03.22 | athame | karsten: i installed the unrar. is that good? |
| 23:03.24 | dvs | holycow: check the permissions on the file |
| 23:03.28 | athame | or should i install unrar-free? |
| 23:03.31 | xingu | karsten: oh yes, definitely overloaded; hence the suggestion/request for discrete ..._noexec, ..._nosuid vars matching the existing nomenclature |
| 23:03.32 | karsten | !tell athame about search. |
| 23:03.41 | karsten | athame: nonfree is more functional, but non-free. |
| 23:03.43 | Insolit | if i set the console to iso-8859-15 it displays filenames correctly, but that's a pain in the ass |
| 23:03.45 | psychonate | athame, just try to unrar the first file in the series. It will probably prompt you for a password |
| 23:03.51 | psychonate | athame, if it doesn't, try unrar with -p |
| 23:03.57 | xingu | karsten: that way marco can default them false so as not to surprise anyone by breaking stuff, and us security freaks can set them happily |
| 23:04.57 | karsten | xingu: I'm trying to sort exactly where the mount is made. I'm not seeing it. |
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| 23:04.57 | xingu | karsten: search for "mount -n -o size=$tmpfs_size," |
| 23:05.10 | holycow | dvs, perhaps ... karsten yeah well is there a 'gotcha' to look out for when editing the interface file? |
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| 23:05.20 | karsten | xingu: That's tmpfs, not dev. |
| 23:05.23 | karsten | xingu: s/dev/udev/ |
| 23:05.35 | xingu | karsten: ... tmpfs tmpfs $udev_root |
| 23:05.41 | xingu | karsten: /dev is a tmpfs |
| 23:05.47 | xingu | karsten: udev mknod's into it. |
| 23:05.52 | karsten | xingu: This is a f*cking hack. |
| 23:05.57 | xingu | no kidding :) |
| 23:06.01 | tralala | guys, what package takes care of setting the default language in /etc/environment? |
| 23:06.59 | karsten | tralala: locales |
| 23:07.03 | psychonate | athame, did it work, or are you busy playin with your johnny p? |
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| 23:07.15 | athame | johnny? |
| 23:07.29 | xingu | karsten: the more you look into udev the more revolted you'll be - until one day you appreciate the inner beauty of it all and it's the rest of the world that starts to seem ugly and fragile. |
| 23:07.37 | psychonate | your phallus. your member. your junior monolith. |
| 23:07.39 | athame | psychonate: yes it did work |
| 23:07.45 | psychonate | excellent then |
| 23:07.47 | karsten | xingu: .... and then you wake up? |
| 23:07.55 | xingu | karsten: I chose the blue pill |
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| 23:07.57 | athame | and no, i wasn't doing that :P |
| 23:08.10 | karsten | xingu: So, I've defined 'UDEV_MOUNTOPTS="nosuid,noexec"' and "mount -n -o size=$tmpfs_size,mode=0755 -o $UDEV_MOUNTOPTS -t tmpfs tmpfs $udev_root" |
| 23:08.14 | tralala | karsten, I do have the locales installed in a chroot environment but LANG and LANGUAGE are not set |
| 23:08.22 | karsten | xingu: I chose Carrie Anne Moss. Doesn't mean I got her. |
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| 23:08.51 | xingu | karsten: I chose the blue pill and got bloody generic viagra again |
| 23:09.01 | xingu | stupid goddamn spammers |
| 23:09.03 | Insolit | anyone here can explain me how to correctly display iso-8859-15 devices, in a utf8 system? |
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| 23:09.31 | xingu | karsten: are multiple -o's syntactically good? |
| 23:10.06 | dvs | xingu: a jagged little pill? |
| 23:10.18 | xingu | tomayto, tomahto |
| 23:10.28 | eldowan | isn't it ironic? |
| 23:10.29 | dvs | ohao ohio? |
| 23:10.44 | karsten | dvs: dvs Alanis Morissette. |
| 23:11.06 | karsten | xingu: Feh. Got to reboot to try this. |
| 23:11.11 | athame | thanks psychonate |
| 23:11.14 | SlackRat | i dunno, i heard that the blue pill makes you wake up with only the foggiest recollections of the night before and a really sore ass..... |
| 23:11.19 | athame | it worked for another rar file too |
| 23:11.29 | xingu | karsten: time for me to scram; don't break anything too valuable. |
| 23:12.02 | xingu | karsten: I'll keep an eye on your bug; at least marco's replying unlike the x "on strike" force |
| 23:12.18 | SlackRat | which goes a long way in explaining microsofts preference for blue theming...... |
| 23:12.36 | deadcat_ | is cat6 cable compatible with cat5 hub? |
| 23:12.40 | dondelelcaro | deadcat_: yes |
| 23:12.47 | deadcat_ | thanks (= |
| 23:12.53 | dondelelcaro | xingu: actually, the XSF responds too, but they have far more bugs than marco does |
| 23:13.07 | gravity | We've got a bug master who can manage such things though |
| 23:13.11 | xingu | dondelelcaro: I don't quite kow how to take that ;) |
| 23:13.14 | gravity | To be fair, I was absolutely terrible at responding |
| 23:13.14 | tralala | or let's put it this way - how is the LANG set upon login? I can't find anything in /etc and the dot-files. |
| 23:13.20 | gravity | Brice is the man |
| 23:13.21 | karsten | xingu: Cheers. |
| 23:13.35 | Vasistha | SlackRat: and yet, ignorance is bliss, and that can sometimes be the more comfortable position |
| 23:14.19 | Vasistha | !dotfiles |
| 23:14.19 | dpkg | dotfiles is probably http://wiki.debian.org/DotFiles |
| 23:14.24 | Vasistha | tralala: read that? ^^^ |
| 23:14.32 | xingu | dondelelcaro: my quirk-de-jour several de-jours ago was noticing that no matter what you do in xorg, you can't stop it advertising the XINERAMA extention per xdpyinfo. |
| 23:14.48 | SlackRat | until you try to sit down.. :-P |
| 23:14.55 | Vasistha | haha |
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| 23:14.58 | gravity | xingu: Because it's built in to the server, iirc |
| 23:15.12 | xingu | gravity: yep, but it should be disablable. :) |
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| 23:15.18 | gravity | xingu: Why? |
| 23:15.27 | xingu | I have some foreign, binary only vendor-gone-bustware that reacts badly to it |
| 23:15.34 | xingu | that's not my reason for disabling it |
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| 23:16.01 | tralala | Vasistha, thanks |
| 23:16.15 | xingu | gravity: in theory, serverflags/ option xinerama "off"/ ... should do it. |
| 23:16.21 | xingu | gravity: but doesn't. bustage. |
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| 23:16.40 | gravity | xingu: Ah, that's a bug then yeah |
| 23:16.44 | xingu | gravity: I can appreciate why module/ disable xinerama might not; but in lieu of that, serverflags oughta. |
| 23:16.52 | gravity | I agree |
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| 23:18.32 | xingu | gravity: something got busted when xinerama ceased being a module in its own right and was merged - specifically - the code to squig it via serverflags. |
| 23:18.50 | gravity | xingu: Fair enough |
| 23:18.53 | xingu | gravity: it's an upstream problem, I'd stake my next two week's beer money on |
| 23:19.04 | gravity | xingu: It is. We don't patch the server for anything like that. |
| 23:19.17 | xingu | oh well; I'll be patient. :) |
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| 23:19.31 | magyar | is there anyway to get the usb harddrive to remain as "sdc" instead it always keeps on jumping between sda and sdc (etch)? |
| 23:19.32 | gravity | xingu: Anyway, xinerama is pretty well deprecated at this point anyway |
| 23:19.36 | gravity | randr 1.2 is the future |
| 23:20.09 | xingu | gravity: *nod* I figured; it's only a good hack if you buy into perpetuating client braindamage |
| 23:20.23 | xingu | gravity: better idea to expose the real geometry to the clients and let them deal |
| 23:21.02 | karsten | xingu: Multiple -o options appear to be OK: dd if=/dev/zero of=foo bs=1M count=10; /sbin/mke2fs -F /tmp/foo; sudo mount -o loop -o ro -t ext2 /tmp/foo /tmp/bar |
| 23:21.36 | xingu | gravity: might be some knock-on though in terms of DAMAGE extention when that bit is futzed with/ redesigned |
| 23:22.08 | xingu | anyway |
| 23:22.11 | xingu | I really must scram |
| 23:22.22 | gravity | damage seems to be ok though |
| 23:22.32 | gravity | and randr 1.2 works today without any real hassle |
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| 23:23.32 | xingu | gravity: I'm thinking of how you would deal intelligently with damage events when a client had part of its viewport on each of two displays with wildly differing capabilities |
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| 23:23.42 | xingu | but anyway |
| 23:24.08 | holycow | here is another oddity i've seen a lot on debian, if you change the dynamic ip address to static, sometimes the system will no longer see the damend card |
| 23:24.10 | holycow | goddamnit |
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| 23:24.58 | tvynr | Anyone have any thoughts as to how I might put a filesystem root (being managed with fakeroot) into revision control? SVN litters .svn directories everywhere, which plays merry havoc if I fakechroot in and try to apt-get remove something. |
| 23:26.00 | magyar | hi, is there anyway to get the usb harddrive to remain as "sdc" instead it always keeps on jumping between sda and sdc (etch)? |
| 23:26.31 | h3sp4wn | tvynr: You can keep it in svn anyway and just svn export it prior to using it |
| 23:27.14 | tvynr | magyar: Not AFAIK. Try using a filesystem label? i.e., e2label /dev/sda "usbstick". Then, fstab has "LABEL=usbstick" instead of "/dev/sda". It'll use blkid to find a filesystem with that name (if present). |
| 23:27.42 | tvynr | h3sp4wn: But then if I make any changes to it, they aren't versioned. |
| 23:28.03 | magyar | tvynr: not the problem with fstab, the problem with ramfs and module priority |
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| 23:28.09 | calamari | hi |
| 23:28.28 | tvynr | magyar: Well, yes. I'm afraid I don't have a way to fix your problem, so I'm trying to provide a way to work around it. |
| 23:28.35 | tvynr | calamari: welcome :) |
| 23:29.09 | calamari | I've removed a few packages, some of which had residual configuration info. Usually I'd use synaptic to clear it, but I'm not using a gui this time. How can I do it from the console? |
| 23:29.20 | tvynr | calamari: dpkg --purge <packagename> |
| 23:29.20 | magyar | tvynr: thanks. This is an inharited problem with debian, i never had such issues with other gnu distros |
| 23:29.27 | calamari | tvynr: thanks! |
| 23:30.05 | tvynr | magyar: No idea. I had problems with my nVidia SATA controller ordering my drives in a way very contradictory to what the BIOS was seeing. So I just labeled all of them. I don't have any device names in my fstab anymore. :) |
| 23:30.16 | tvynr | calamari: np :) |
| 23:30.32 | calamari | it'd be cool if aptitude could do that .. maybe I should submit a feature request |
| 23:30.56 | tvynr | calamari: apt-get can handle --purge. Not sure about aptitude |
| 23:31.23 | tvynr | calamari: Yeah... man pages suggest that the correct syntax is "aptitude purge <packagename>" |
| 23:31.35 | calamari | how funny |
| 23:31.52 | calamari | I meant from the aptitude "gui" hehe |
| 23:31.58 | tvynr | calamari: Aah. :) |
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| 23:35.28 | ruser_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:35.29 | nethenson | ruser_: check, try with xev, to see if that key combo, is recognized... |
| 23:35.29 | ruser_ | nethenson: itsn't no events |
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| 23:35.29 | h3sp4wn | calamari: aptitude purge \~c (or search \~c) |
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| 23:35.46 | ruser_ | nethenson: isn't that supposed to be some sort of hook into acpi/bios? |
| 23:36.05 | nethenson | ruser_: hmmm.. maybe |
| 23:36.14 | nethenson | dmesg tells you something? , ruser_ |
| 23:36.24 | h3sp4wn | calamari: (to remove residual configuration info) |
| 23:37.21 | calamari | cool, perfect :) |
| 23:37.21 | calamari | thanks |
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| 23:37.21 | ruser_ | nethenson: nope, nothin in the messages either. and even if they keycode was present how would i configure it to turn on the internal wifi card? :) |
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| 23:38.07 | nethenson | ruser_: that is the thing.. i think that it is not a thing the kernel can control |
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| 23:38.32 | nethenson | ruser_: :( |
| 23:38.52 | ruser_ | nethenson: exactly. but i've seen ubuntu setups that work with the key out of the box |
| 23:39.19 | ruser_ | nethenson: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/DellInspiron9400 refer to function and other keys table |
| 23:39.32 | h3sp4wn | ruser_: get the ubuntu kernel and get the patch from there |
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| 23:40.01 | ruser_ | h3sp4wn: seems like a rather crappy solution, also hard to move things around without network |
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| 23:40.28 | tvynr | Anyone have any suggestion as to how I obtain the source to every package installed on a system? I need to package up this LiveCD and, AFAICT, I need to make the source available to comply with the GPL2. |
| 23:40.31 | h3sp4wn | ruser_: why because you are lazy ? |
| 23:41.00 | holycow | tvynr, not on the same cd |
| 23:41.00 | davidcsi | hello all, i installed the ipmasq package, and now i want to forward a port from the EXTIF to a private IP, and i'm trying with this: $IPTABLES -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p udp -dports 9009 -j DNAT to-destination 192.168.1.2:9009 |
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| 23:41.11 | holycow | you just need to make the available 'somewhere' or via optional cd download |
| 23:41.13 | davidcsi | but i'm getting this: Bad argument `9009' |
| 23:41.17 | davidcsi | any ideas? |
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| 23:41.29 | dvs | davidcsi: Isn't it "-dport" ? |
| 23:42.23 | nethenson | ruser_: in my fujitsu amilo, the vol+, vol- are recognised, but bright+/- aren't, the screen gets more bright without the kernel even knowing it. |
| 23:42.32 | ruser_ | nethenson: yeah vol up down, mute, brightness actually works for me |
| 23:42.34 | tvynr | holycow: Well, yes. But to make the source available, I need it. I have a fakeroot of the LiveCD's root on my system. I need the source for each package that's in it so I can put it up as a separate download on my site. |
| 23:42.34 | davidcsi | dvs: on the man it says -dports |
| 23:42.35 | holycow | tvynr, indeed good point, i donno |
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| 23:42.35 | davidcsi | dvs, same thing |
| 23:42.36 | dvs | davidcsi: it's --dport in my files |
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| 23:43.43 | davidcsi | dvs, right, got it |
| 23:43.44 | davidcsi | thanks! |
| 23:43.49 | dvs | no prob |
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| 23:45.07 | Insolit | anyone here uses VNC? |
| 23:45.08 | ruser_ | nethenson: lshal -m actually reports an event |
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| 23:46.08 | nethenson | ruser_: and iwconfig tells you "radio off"? |
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| 23:46.50 | h3h_timo | could someone point me in the right direction in regards to installing my ati(fglrx) drivers?? |
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| 23:47.05 | h3sp4wn | !fglrx |
| 23:47.05 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-debian installation method, or currently not working with xorg > 7.1 . Downgrade xserver-xorg-core to 7.1 for the time being if you are on testing/unstable |
| 23:47.11 | ruser_ | nethenson: with the wifi card physically off it won't even see a wifi capable interface |
| 23:47.27 | nethenson | and with it on? |
| 23:47.33 | abrotman | !tell h3h_timo about fglrx one-liner |
| 23:47.42 | abrotman | Insolit: just ask |
| 23:47.48 | ruser_ | nethenson: well, cna't turn it on. and that's the problem |
| 23:48.15 | Insolit | well i'd like to know if anyone knows how to configure vncserver to display the current display |
| 23:48.32 | nethenson | so... maybe the problem is that the card isn't recognized, instead of not being able to "switch it on"? |
| 23:48.33 | petemc | Insolit: you'll need x11vnc or rfb for that i think |
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| 23:49.43 | h3h_timo | abrotman, i cant find package fglrx-driver |
| 23:50.04 | Insolit | petemc: ok i'll test that :D |
| 23:50.39 | nethenson | , ruser_ |
| 23:50.47 | |broken| | So I have a question.. I attempted to install Debian on a clean harddrive and it gave me some errors right before installing the grub boot loader, then i skipped that and installed the grub, or tried to at least..and that gave me a fatal error. And then I was forced to cancel the installation. Nothing would work. Any ideas why? |
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| 23:51.10 | SlackRat | bad burn? |
| 23:51.13 | ruser_ | nethenson: lspci `sees` the card |
| 23:51.15 | dvs | |broken|: without any specific errors, we can't help you much |
| 23:51.37 | h3h_timo | abrotman, is there a certain thing i should do for my sources.list file? |
| 23:51.38 | JordiGH | I've never really paid attention before, but any ETAs on libc6 from unstable trickling down to testing? Any estimate at all? A few weeks? Months? Years/ |
| 23:51.41 | JordiGH | ? |
| 23:51.44 | abrotman | h3h_timo: do you have contrib and non-free sources ? |
| 23:51.56 | dvs | JordiGH: I'd like to know that too. |
| 23:52.00 | nethenson | ruser_: but have you loaded the modules/firmware... ? |
| 23:52.07 | ruser_ | nethenson: here is the lshal -m http://rafb.net/p/sPDKL341.html output |
| 23:52.15 | ruser_ | nethenson: that has to be done at later point |
| 23:52.21 | davidcsi | dvs, i set it up with: $IPTABLES -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p udp --dport 9009 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.1.2:9009 |
| 23:52.22 | nvz | JordiGH: WIR |
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| 23:52.35 | dvs | nvz: heh |
| 23:52.39 | nvz | heh |
| 23:52.57 | nvz | standard policy.. has to be without RC bugs, and not fundamentally break other packages |
| 23:53.05 | nvz | follow the BTS |
| 23:53.06 | JordiGH | nvz: Heh. |
| 23:53.10 | davidcsi | dvs: it is an apt-get install ipmasq config, and added the line above to /etc/ipmasq/rules/F00chain.rul but it doesn't work... any ideas? |
| 23:53.11 | abrotman | !why is libc6 not in testing |
| 23:53.11 | dpkg | libc6 is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=libc6 |
| 23:53.12 | dvs | JordiGH: heh? |
| 23:53.28 | JordiGH | dvs: Make a dumb question, get a dumb answer, I guess... |
| 23:53.31 | |broken| | Well it never gave me specific errors. Maybe i needed internet. Even though it wasn't a netinst cd. |
| 23:53.33 | |broken| | Oh well. |
| 23:53.47 | dvs | davidcsi: nope. I'm only using ipmasq to block ports |
| 23:54.03 | nethenson | ruser_: without the module loaded, the kernel only knows it is a "communication device" and maybe the vendor/model name... but not how to initialize it, so without the module it wont appear in ifconfig/iwconfig |
| 23:54.11 | JordiGH | There's a log somewhere of how often a specific package from unstable trickles down, right? |
| 23:54.20 | h3sp4wn | # |
| 23:54.22 | h3sp4wn | # glibc is in freeze; contact debian-release if update is needed |
| 23:54.33 | ruser_ | nethenson: yea, but there is also an indicator whether there is power delivered or not |
| 23:54.35 | h3sp4wn | (that means that it won't just go in anyway) |
| 23:55.10 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: ? |
| 23:55.18 | ruser_ | nethenson: perhaps you are right... |
| 23:55.40 | abrotman | that doesn't make sense |
| 23:55.42 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: According to that why is libc6 not in testing |
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| 23:56.00 | davidcsi | guys: I setup IPMASQ with "apt-get install ipmasq" and want to forward port 9009 of EXTIF to an internat ip, $IPTABLES -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p udp --dport 9009 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.1.2:9009 to /etc/ipmasq/rules/F00chain.rul but it doesn't work... any ideas?? |
| 23:56.03 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: presumably it has to be planned more than other packages |
| 23:56.13 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: that's crap .. let her fly! |
| 23:56.37 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: I cannot understand why that would be said otherwise |
| 23:56.48 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: the DDs ahve lost their minds! |
| 23:56.58 | nethenson | ruser_: i think that this is the most probable cause of the failure, but i don't know for sure |
| 23:57.15 | ruser_ | anyone here got intel 4965AGN wifi card to work? |
| 23:57.31 | abrotman | 3945ABG ? |
| 23:57.47 | sussudio | 123456ABC? |
| 23:57.57 | nethenson | 4328BCD? |
| 23:58.01 | ruser_ | abrotman: i wish... it's the one with N |
| 23:58.05 | Insolit | how can i search a man page openned in a console? |
| 23:58.11 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:58.12 | sussudio | / |
| 23:58.14 | ruser_ | abrotman: dell calls it intel-n nextgen |
| 23:58.21 | Insolit | and to get further searches? |
| 23:58.28 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:58.32 | ruser_ | Insolit: type /searchterm |
| 23:58.33 | nethenson | n |
| 23:58.35 | sussudio | lol |
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| 23:58.37 | sussudio | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:58.38 | ruser_ | Insolit: n will get you the next one |
| 23:58.51 | h3h_timo | abrotman, no |
| 23:58.51 | h3h_timo | abrotman, how do i add them?? |
| 23:58.52 | sussudio | ruser_: you cut off its legs, you bastard |
| 23:58.59 | Insolit | thanks ruser_ :D |
| 23:59.02 | abrotman | wtf |
| 23:59.08 | ruser_ | abrotman: ? |
| 23:59.09 | abrotman | guess he didn't want them |
| 23:59.14 | abrotman | ruser_: not you |
| 23:59.24 | magyar | when a host connection drops or becomes unavailable "ping" is not displaying "Destination Host Unreachable". Is this a normal behaviour? Microsoft will display "Time Out" |
| 23:59.26 | nethenson | and to delete the search highlight? (I guess there must be something better that /afakfjalfk ) |
| 23:59.41 | nethenson | magyar: yes, it is normal |
