| 00:00.06 | Insolit | thanks nethenson as well just saw your answer now :D |
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| 00:00.20 | magyar | nethenson: ouch |
| 00:00.36 | h3h_timo | can someone tell me how to add the extra repositories?? |
| 00:00.37 | nethenson | magyar: what is the problem? |
| 00:00.43 | ruser_ | abrotman: so, anyidea about intel 4965agn wifi card? |
| 00:00.44 | davidcsi | guys: I setup IPMASQ with "apt-get install ipmasq" and want to forward port 9009 of EXTIF to an internat ip, $IPTABLES -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p udp --dport 9009 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.1.2:9009 to /etc/ipmasq/rules/F00chain.rul but it doesn't work... any ideas?? |
| 00:00.52 | nethenson | h3h_timo: add them in /etc/apt/source.list |
| 00:01.05 | davidcsi | h3h_timo: edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:01.16 | abrotman | !tel h3h_timo about contrib |
| 00:01.19 | abrotman | !tel h3h_timo about non-free |
| 00:01.26 | abrotman | ruser_: chipset ? |
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| 00:01.30 | magyar | nethenson: kind of strange that there is no output to console when a connection is unavailable. "Timeout" would be nice on a constant ping |
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| 00:01.53 | karsten | magyar: apt-cache show mtr |
| 00:01.54 | h3h_timo | !tell h3h_timo about contrib |
| 00:02.04 | h3h_timo | !tell h3h_timo about non-free |
| 00:02.13 | karsten | !tell h3h_timo about self-tell |
| 00:02.17 | karsten | h3h_timo: /msg the bots please |
| 00:02.29 | h3h_timo | karsten, thanks i forgot how |
| 00:02.35 | karsten | NP |
| 00:03.31 | karsten | magyar: There are specific tools to test connectivity. You can set timeout and ping count for the 'ping' command. If you want to test connectivity, try fping or mtr (multiple and single hosts respectively). |
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| 00:03.38 | Cooner750 | Hmm |
| 00:03.40 | magyar | karsten: talking about ping, i know other utils, its just an observation |
| 00:04.50 | Cooner750 | So I was installing Debian and it was going fine... and it got to one point with an error -- Red screen, etc.... -- a package could not be installed |
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| 00:04.58 | Cooner750 | so i tried again, the next time it was a different package |
| 00:05.08 | [gloom] | is the version of compiz in the official reps the 0.5 one? |
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| 00:05.35 | SlackRat | same part of the install process near the first error? |
| 00:05.41 | nethenson | karsten: mtr is great!! |
| 00:05.44 | Insolit | how can i set a resolution in x11vnc? |
| 00:05.54 | karsten | magyar: does the process terminate at all? The usual Unix Way is to test exit status. I've got a prompt hack to do same. |
| 00:06.04 | karsten | nethenson: ftw! |
| 00:06.11 | Cooner750 | So I figured, 'that's strange' -- and I got a GParted LiveCD and booted that up to completely format the drive and start over. But GParted gets done with the video detection part, that goes fine, it starts to load X, and then, IDE errors. "DriveReady SeekComplete Error", etc.... -- then the screen goes black, CPU fan goes to 100%, and the monitor loses the video signal |
| 00:06.12 | nethenson | has it been a package of the day? |
| 00:06.36 | ruser_ | abrotman: lspci -vv http://rafb.net/p/2dGasd50.html wil get with one v in a sec |
| 00:06.52 | karsten | magyar: smiley () { test "$?" -eq 0 && echo '$ ' || echo -e "\[\033[1;33;40m\]:(\[\033[0m\] "; }'; export PROMPT_COMMAND='PS1="[\u@\h:\W]$(smiley)"' |
| 00:06.58 | abrotman | ruser_: update-pciids .. before you paste again |
| 00:07.12 | karsten | magyar: Add that to your .bashrc |
| 00:07.36 | nethenson | :D:D:D |
| 00:07.47 | karsten | nethenson: Like? |
| 00:08.01 | nethenson | i like it, yeah |
| 00:08.18 | magyar | karsten: try pinging a host and let it go for a few minutes untill the screen is full. If you reboot the remote host, on your terminal nothing will appear, so in reality, at a quick glance, one would think the host is still up |
| 00:08.18 | nethenson | $ or :( , good idea |
| 00:08.27 | ruser_ | abrotman: no internet on the machine, can i grab it manualy somewere? i'm using lenny from may14, have a DVD |
| 00:08.39 | karsten | magyar: Yeah, but it won't be updating pings. |
| 00:09.00 | abrotman | ruser_: pciids.sf.net .. i think |
| 00:09.01 | karsten | magyar: mtr is simply the better tool for that. |
| 00:09.11 | SlackRat | if youre getting that many errors running gparted live cd and cant install debian? sounds like a hardware problem....... |
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| 00:09.34 | twisted` | what happens if I set a password for www-data? |
| 00:09.56 | SlackRat | can you run any other live cds on that box? |
| 00:09.57 | nethenson | karsten: well, one gets used to look to the icmp_seq, to see if it is changing :) |
| 00:09.57 | karsten | twisted`: I don't know, what *does* happen if you set a password for www-data? |
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| 00:10.02 | Cooner750 | Anyone know what my problem could be? Corrupted hd ? |
| 00:10.10 | magyar | karsten: i think in any case there should be, like in case of M$, a "timeout" on the console, as ping is a common tool for up status of a host |
| 00:10.16 | SlackRat | do you have another live cd to try? |
| 00:10.25 | flyinprogramer | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:10.39 | abrotman | errors are good |
| 00:10.43 | abrotman | so are error logs :) |
| 00:10.46 | Cooner750 | flyinprogrammer: You may get more help at #apache |
| 00:10.47 | magyar | karsten: than again, it could be a patent, who knows |
| 00:10.48 | SlackRat | one that always worked before? |
| 00:10.51 | twisted` | karsten: I dunno, the reason why I ask is cause I want to mount the /var/www/ only through ssh... and figured well www-data is the owner of that dir... |
| 00:11.05 | [gloom] | does anyone know hot to change the kvirc language? |
| 00:11.14 | nethenson | maYer`off: you may want to look at the -W option of ping |
| 00:11.20 | [gloom] | hey, i got it:D |
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| 00:14.24 | stoned | karsten: hey |
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| 00:14.33 | stoned | karsten: saw your little prompt thingy |
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| 00:14.52 | stoned | karsten: http://paste.debian.net/28516 if you want to use it or whatever here is what I did to my .bashrc |
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| 00:15.31 | ruser_ | abrotman: updated manualy, and it's not listed anyhow. both outputs: http://rafb.net/p/ae8BoY41.html |
| 00:15.47 | stoned | karsten: i like dealing in english more than I do numbers :D |
| 00:16.04 | ruser_ | abrotman: btw, i tried ndiswrapper but since i'm using amd64 lenny, it was complaning about 32bit drivers |
| 00:16.23 | flyinprogramer | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:16.49 | abrotman | ruser_: yeah .. it will |
| 00:17.11 | abrotman | ruser_: how about a -n ? |
| 00:17.26 | abrotman | ruser_: searching google turned up squat? |
| 00:18.20 | [gloom] | is there any non official rep with the broken dependencies of compiz solved for unstable? |
| 00:18.26 | ruser_ | abrotman: and i didn't have any luck with 64bit driverrs it just complained about a bad driver. yeah googling around dind't help much, except showed few entries with some people getting it with ndiswrapper. -n: 0c:00.0 0280 8086:4229 (rev 61) |
| 00:18.51 | karsten | magyar: You *can* specify timeout. |
| 00:19.13 | ruser_ | abrotman: there is a column after 0280 |
| 00:19.42 | abrotman | http://www.davtar.org/blog/?p=28 |
| 00:19.49 | abrotman | that's the only thing google found |
| 00:20.01 | abrotman | i'd guess you'd need to find 64bit win32 drivers and make ndiswrapper work |
| 00:20.01 | ruser_ | abrotman: yep, i've seen it |
| 00:20.13 | abrotman | does ndiswrapper work on amd64 ? |
| 00:20.25 | karsten | stoned: So what's yours do? |
| 00:20.36 | stoned | karsten: just some bs info on my prompt |
| 00:20.40 | ruser_ | abrotman: it seems to work, but the drivers i had (i tried different versions as well) it complians about the 64bit drivers as it is an invalid driver |
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| 00:20.48 | stoned | i got the idea from when i went to rahuls house and saw his prompt |
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| 00:20.56 | stoned | hes using some known zsh prompt thingy |
| 00:21.01 | JordiGH | d-legal isn't the place to talk about whether a package should be in contrib or not, is it? Should I file a bug report? Email the maintainer? Hm, probably this last one... |
| 00:21.04 | abrotman | i've never used ndiswrapper |
| 00:21.06 | stoned | I just colorized mine and put some extra info in it |
| 00:21.08 | IronMaiden | good evening |
| 00:21.08 | stoned | read the code |
| 00:21.11 | ruser_ | abrotman: me neither |
| 00:21.31 | karsten | stoned: Interesting. |
| 00:21.41 | karsten | stoned: Yeah, there's a lot of fun stuff you can do with shell prompts. |
| 00:21.51 | JordiGH | abrotman: I had to use it yesterday... but in Ubuntu. Looks like it does what it's supposed to. :-/ |
| 00:21.58 | karsten | stoned: I remember messing with stuff back in DOS days, several of us would hack one another's prompts. |
| 00:22.04 | stoned | lol yeh |
| 00:22.07 | stoned | it was great |
| 00:22.12 | stoned | dos was the shit back then |
| 00:22.14 | JordiGH | !greet IronMaiden |
| 00:22.15 | dpkg | Moo, IronMaiden |
| 00:22.18 | abrotman | JordiGH: apparently not |
| 00:22.19 | karsten | stoned: I finally won with "This space for rent, call 1-800-DOS-PROMPT" (which takes up most of the line). |
| 00:22.30 | stoned | lol |
| 00:22.32 | stoned | nice man |
| 00:22.38 | JordiGH | abrotman: So I see. |
| 00:22.39 | IronMaiden | !greet JordiGH and all |
| 00:22.40 | dpkg | Salutations, JordiGH and all |
| 00:22.48 | stoned | i should google for more ideas for shell prompts |
| 00:22.56 | abrotman | ruser_: there aren't any native linux drivers (coming soon they say) .. maybe ask #ndiswrapper ? |
| 00:23.03 | IronMaiden | :D |
| 00:23.04 | stoned | have like a multiline prompt with tons of useless info and show off |
| 00:23.05 | stoned | hahaha |
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| 00:23.15 | abrotman | ruser_: there's no 10/100 ? |
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| 00:23.56 | JordiGH | stoned: My cursor is red in the ttys. I feel l33t. |
| 00:24.11 | stoned | lol |
| 00:24.25 | JordiGH | I really should make it phosphor green for the true hacker feeling. |
| 00:24.32 | stoned | here lookit me... http://youfuck.mypets.ws/screenshots/kde.jpg |
| 00:24.51 | stoned | lookit my shell prompt, its all colorized with much useless info so /me feels l337 too |
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| 00:24.57 | flyinprogramer | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:25.16 | magyar | karsten: you mean the bashrc workaround? |
| 00:25.35 | JordiGH | Ooh, desktop pimping. |
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| 00:25.57 | abrotman | flyinprogramer: what do they do instead ? |
| 00:25.59 | Draconicus | Hey, do you guys have Pidgin in your repos yet? |
| 00:26.05 | abrotman | !info pidgin sid |
| 00:26.06 | karsten | magyar: Sorry, missed that. |
| 00:26.06 | JordiGH | flyinprogramer: You got mod_perl of course? |
| 00:26.08 | stoned | JordiGH: why thank you |
| 00:26.11 | dpkg | pidgin: (multi-protocol instant messaging client), section net, is optional. Version: 2.0.0+dfsg.1-4 (sid), Packaged size: 1718 kB, Installed size: 4840 kB |
| 00:26.13 | stoned | its pimpin alright |
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| 00:26.29 | karsten | stoned: There's a whole howto on the topic. |
| 00:26.38 | stoned | karsten: yeh link me bro |
| 00:26.40 | jorgp | wow, anyone read the comments made my Ian Murdock about debian? |
| 00:26.50 | JordiGH | Aww, pidgin got -dfsg'ed. I wonder what the matter was. |
| 00:26.51 | karsten | stoned: There's also the book Wicked Cool Shell Scripts, going through a copy of that now. |
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| 00:26.54 | karsten | jorgp: Which? |
| 00:26.58 | JordiGH | jorgp: When? He comments a lot. |
| 00:27.00 | stoned | karsten: isbn? |
| 00:27.00 | flyinprogramer | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:27.06 | SlackRat | which murdoch comments, Linux Format? |
| 00:27.11 | JordiGH | flyinprogramer: ??? |
| 00:27.17 | stoned | nyc libraries are huge, you can get almost anything here |
| 00:27.22 | jorgp | Murdock believes that Debian is "process run amok" — nobody feels empowered to make decisions, leading to the sluggish rate of progress. |
| 00:27.23 | stoned | i love this city |
| 00:27.24 | stoned | hehe |
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| 00:27.33 | flyinprogramer | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:27.43 | abrotman | apt-cache search mod_perl |
| 00:27.47 | JordiGH | flyinprogramer: pidgin. But it's currently only in unstable. |
| 00:27.54 | magyar | karsten: you mentioned there is a ping & timeout workaround. I just asked if it was the bashrc workaround? |
| 00:27.56 | karsten | stoned: http://www.intuitive.com/wicked/ |
| 00:27.58 | SlackRat | sounds like the LF article.....or any of a number of recent articles...actually |
| 00:27.58 | JordiGH | flyinprogramer: Oh, wait, apt-cache searhc mod_perl. |
| 00:28.11 | karsten | magyar: Dunno, not my problem ;-) |
| 00:28.21 | magyar | nice :) |
| 00:28.51 | Amarande | !dfsg |
| 00:28.51 | dpkg | from memory, dfsg is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
| 00:28.55 | JordiGH | jorgp: The wonderful thing is that there is progress and etch got out the door soon enough. Not to be the group's Pangloss, but everything seems well enough for now and there's no cause for alarm. |
| 00:29.07 | karsten | jorgp: How does he explain Sun and Red Hat then? |
| 00:29.08 | stoned | !msg the bot |
| 00:29.08 | dpkg | hmm... msg the bot is please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database |
| 00:29.28 | abrotman | so much better ... |
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| 00:29.46 | JordiGH | !smite stoned |
| 00:29.47 | karsten | stoned: As an endorsement, I borrowed my copy from The Answer Guy. |
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| 00:29.59 | stoned | the answer guy? |
| 00:30.05 | SlackRat | etch kicks ass, was worth the wait |
| 00:30.12 | JordiGH | stoned: You got beryl/compiz working on that desktop? |
| 00:30.16 | stoned | indeed |
| 00:30.25 | stoned | with fglrx too i might add |
| 00:30.32 | JordiGH | Yikes. |
| 00:30.32 | karsten | stoned: LG: http://linuxgazette.net/issue38/lg_answer38.html |
| 00:30.34 | jorgp | karsten: JordiGH.. yeah I thought progress was going ok myself, it just seemed like a pretty strong statement he made. |
| 00:30.51 | JordiGH | stoned: I was about to high-five you, but the fglrx makes me think twice. |
| 00:31.03 | jorgp | lol |
| 00:31.25 | stoned | JordiGH: well, that is on top of Xg |
| 00:31.25 | stoned | Xgl |
| 00:31.26 | JordiGH | stoned: I'm using the Intel chipsets. On three different machines. Bliss. |
| 00:31.30 | SlackRat | before that iirc, he was ranting about ubuntu being kind of a debian done right......kinda comments |
| 00:31.33 | stoned | JordiGH: I have a 7600gs running on xorg now |
| 00:31.35 | karsten | Yeah. |
| 00:31.46 | Smegzor | I have a debian box running a web server which, after a recent power cut has developed a kernel panic on boot up. It says dev/console is missing. Whats the best way to fix it? I have several backups but they all have this problem. |
| 00:31.48 | JordiGH | stoned: Even Nexuiz runs smooth enough :-) but admittedly without light and shadow effects. |
| 00:31.49 | karsten | It's not that Debian doesn't have its problems, but it's also very much got its advantages. |
| 00:32.04 | stoned | problems are easily overlooked |
| 00:32.05 | flyinprogramer | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:32.11 | Draconicus | So yeah.. |
| 00:32.14 | stoned | pros are too many, that they counter the cons |
| 00:32.16 | JordiGH | Heh, wanna see problems, hang out in debian-devel for a while. ;-) |
| 00:32.16 | Draconicus | I'll just look myself, I guess. |
| 00:32.36 | justin | Smegzor: devfs and or udev? |
| 00:32.47 | JordiGH | flyinprogramer: More than that I don't know. If dpkg doesn't configure it for you, then I'm lost. Try to see if it Just Work (tm). ;-) |
| 00:33.08 | dondelelcaro | jorgp: what's even more amusing is that Ian Murduck has almost nothing to do with Debian's internal processes any more. |
| 00:33.10 | flyinprogramer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:33.17 | Smegzor | I'm not sure. Its not my box and I'm um.. ah.. a Windoz user :) |
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| 00:34.10 | JordiGH | flyinprogramer: Then ask the question to the floor, rtfm, or go to the mailing lists. |
| 00:34.17 | justin | Smegzor: going to be slightly difficult to fix that then heh |
| 00:34.19 | Smegzor | I can boot Knoppix and get at it |
| 00:34.35 | justin | Smegzor: what debian release is it? |
| 00:34.43 | Smegzor | I've got several Linux boxes of my own. Its Sarg |
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| 00:35.02 | justin | Smegzor: you know what chroot it? |
| 00:35.03 | justin | er, is |
| 00:35.12 | jorgp | dondelelcaro: which is why I dont understand how he can make such bold comments |
| 00:35.14 | Smegzor | more or less |
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| 00:36.02 | dondelelcaro | jorgp: he can because he's got a soapbox, but it doesn't mean that his comments are reasonable. |
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| 00:36.30 | tvynr | Anyone have any thoughts as to how I can get all of the source packages for every Debian package I have installed? |
| 00:36.40 | Smegzor | I can boot it into Knoppix, but I can't mount the offending drive. It says it can't determine what format it is. It is ext3 |
| 00:36.50 | SlackRat | go for bust, download all the source des |
| 00:36.50 | JordiGH | It's funny to read Ian Murdock's Debian Manifesto (in /usr/share/doc/debian) and see where we stand today. Boy, have things changed... |
| 00:36.51 | SlackRat | cds |
| 00:36.53 | abrotman | tvynr: why? |
| 00:36.55 | justin | Smegzor: well, that is a problem |
| 00:37.15 | tvynr | abrotman: I need copies of the source so I can distribute them when I distribute my LiveCD. |
| 00:37.17 | justin | Smegzor: how does fdisk -l /dev/hdwhatever look? |
| 00:37.22 | tvynr | abrotman: GPL compliance. ;) |
| 00:37.25 | JordiGH | tvynr: It shouldn't be too difficult to write a script or even a pipe-one-liner to do it, but yes, why? |
| 00:37.34 | Smegzor | I tried re-formatting the root part. that worked but reimaging it from backup didn't fix the error |
| 00:37.38 | abrotman | tvynr: based on etch ? |
| 00:37.45 | tvynr | abrotman: Based on testing. |
| 00:37.50 | SlackRat | ack |
| 00:37.51 | JordiGH | tvynr: The GPL doesn't force you to distribute source along it. You just have to make it available. Tell users where they can get the source and that's enough. |
| 00:37.53 | abrotman | eh .. why? |
| 00:37.55 | tvynr | abrotman: Bit of a moving target. :-/ |
| 00:38.02 | Smegzor | why don't I boot that box and come back here. I'll be several minutes though. |
| 00:38.11 | abrotman | tvynr: anyways .. if you're not changing the package .. just tell them to get them from pdo |
| 00:38.15 | Smegzor | I'm not on that box atm |
| 00:38.16 | nethenson | tvynr: just do a written offer |
| 00:38.20 | jorgp | JordiGH: yeah |
| 00:38.29 | Smegzor | back in a bit.. |
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| 00:38.42 | tvynr | abrotman, JordiGH: IANAL, but AFAIK you can't just say "it's over there." You have to make it available directly. |
| 00:38.56 | tvynr | nethenson: Yeah, but without the source, I can't honor my written offer. |
| 00:38.57 | JordiGH | tvynr: No, saying "it's over there" is enough. |
| 00:38.58 | abrotman | yes you can |
| 00:39.12 | abrotman | tvynr: you could ask #gnu maybe |
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| 00:39.31 | SlackRat | you can also charge for costs incurred if you send matls to people , re: source code, iirc |
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| 00:39.42 | SlackRat | doesnt have to be out of your pocket |
| 00:39.43 | nethenson | tvynr: you have done a livecd with .deb/apt-get'ed packages, right? |
| 00:39.48 | tvynr | abrotman: I'd have to check in on that, yeah. |
| 00:39.50 | abrotman | tvynr: or use something like `ls /usr/share/doc/ | xargs apt-get source` |
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| 00:39.56 | tvynr | nethenson: Yeah. |
| 00:39.58 | abrotman | that seems ugly though |
| 00:40.07 | JordiGH | tvynr: Section 3b of the GPL. That's the part that says you can say "it's over there". |
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| 00:40.29 | tvynr | abrotman: That's the problem. I have a script that uses the output of dpkg -l. For each (package,version): apt-get source package=version. But some of the source packages aren't there anymore. |
| 00:40.41 | nethenson | tvynr: then you can do a COLUMNS=300 dpkg -l | awk '{print $2}'| xargs apt-get source |
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| 00:41.03 | abrotman | tvynr: then your testing is out of date ? |
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| 00:41.18 | Vasistha | tvynr: there's snapshot.debian.net |
| 00:41.27 | SlackRat | microsoft is a weapon of mass distraction |
| 00:41.32 | JordiGH | tvynr: I insist you're making it harder for yourself. |
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| 00:41.38 | nethenson | tvynr: ouch, didn't read the out of date thing.. sorry |
| 00:41.46 | Vasistha | SlackRat: s/microsoft/irc/ |
| 00:41.55 | SlackRat | lol |
| 00:42.30 | JordiGH | So who actually is a lawyer for Debian? Speaking of Microsoft, we'd best be ready. ;-) |
| 00:42.31 | tvynr | abrotman: No, that's the thing... I just updated it and it's still claiming some packages aren't there. (Although ideally I'd like to be able to wrap up a distribution without updating, fetching source, and doing tests all over again to make sure the updates didn't break anything.) |
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| 00:42.41 | tvynr | Vasistha: I'll take a look at that. |
| 00:42.42 | SlackRat | whenever i get confused about gpl, i just look at back posts on mepis forums and do the oppostie of what mepis pulled over the years.... :-P |
| 00:42.48 | abrotman | tvynr: such as which package ? |
| 00:43.21 | tvynr | JordiGH: I remember reading somewhere that simply linking to a download site wasn't enough unless you'd made an agreement with the site to ensure that your distribution requirement was met. I'll check it out. |
| 00:43.23 | JordiGH | Greg Pomerantz. Whe still around? |
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| 00:44.40 | SlackRat | seriously, check out the history of mepis and the gpl, at the time, he was broaching the gpl and they pounced, see what he didnt do........or refused to do......lots of online flamery over that distro and the gpl....now theyre supposedly compliant |
| 00:44.49 | tvynr | abrotman: To name one failed operation: apt-get source apt-utils=0.6.46.4-0.1 |
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| 00:45.35 | Vasistha | SlackRat: did it involve making changes to the kernel (and perhaps other packages) and not freely distributing those changes? |
| 00:45.48 | flyinprogramer | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:45.52 | JordiGH | Hrm. Does Debian really need to provide source for all versions it distributes? |
| 00:46.02 | gravity | JordiGH: yes |
| 00:46.16 | abrotman | !info apt-utils testing |
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| 00:46.20 | dpkg | apt-utils: (APT utility programs), section admin, is important. Version: 0.6.46.4-0.1 (lenny), Packaged size: 193 kB, Installed size: 484 kB |
| 00:46.20 | SlackRat | one, there were proprietary installers etc, and kernel changes and two , he whined about how much it costs the little guy to have a server running with the source code available to meet GPL standards |
| 00:46.26 | JordiGH | gravity: But the diffs don't have detailed changelogs, do they? |
| 00:46.42 | jorgp | what is the default password to access mysql 5? |
| 00:46.58 | gravity | JordiGH: What do you mean? |
| 00:47.04 | gravity | JordiGH: Diffs to what |
| 00:47.11 | SlackRat | and just didnt answer requests for source code at all......not even pointing them to the debian servers.....his groupies did that ..... |
| 00:47.20 | cafuego | jorgp: there isn't one until you set one |
| 00:47.27 | JordiGH | gravity: Does Debian need to provide source to foo_1.1-1 and source for foo_1.1-2? |
| 00:47.48 | stew | JordiGH: yes, of course |
| 00:47.48 | JordiGH | gravity: Or as soon as Debian stops providing foo_1.1-1 can it also stop providing its source? |
| 00:47.49 | gravity | JordiGH: It does so long as it distributes it on the servers |
| 00:47.50 | SlackRat | last year or so GPL came down on him and warren woodford complied..........must be data on what that compliance consisted of |
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| 00:48.00 | stew | JordiGH: it depends on the license of foo |
| 00:48.12 | jorgp | cafuego: so whats the default login then? |
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| 00:48.18 | JordiGH | stew: GPL. And how do you get the source for a specific old version? |
| 00:48.39 | JordiGH | stew: right now tvynr is having issues getting the source for a specific old version of apt-utils. |
| 00:48.44 | abrotman | tvynr: it's part of the source to apt |
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| 00:49.00 | jorgp | cafuego: I get access denied when trying to access mysql from my login |
| 00:49.07 | cafuego | jorgp: 'root' |
| 00:49.13 | cafuego | jorgp: mysql -u root |
| 00:49.24 | JordiGH | stew: Btw, did you see my question yesterday about a little rename thingie I wrote? :-) |
| 00:49.39 | jorgp | cafuego: |
| 00:49.39 | jorgp | jorgp@spock:/usr/share/doc/debian$ mysql -u root |
| 00:49.39 | jorgp | ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: N |
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| 00:50.08 | cafuego | Did you previously set a password for mysql? |
| 00:50.12 | jorgp | no |
| 00:50.29 | stew | JordiGH: the gpl doesn't require you to keep source longer than you are distributing binaries *for the method of distribution that debian uses* |
| 00:50.33 | stew | JordiGH: no, i didn't |
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| 00:51.30 | musya | how do i upgrade my software? |
| 00:51.37 | JordiGH | stew: rename 's/\b\w/ $_=$&; tr#[a-b]#[A-B]# $_ /ge' * |
| 00:51.40 | JordiGH | stew: better way? |
| 00:51.47 | jorgp | cafuego: nm, I restarted mysql and its working now |
| 00:51.47 | nethenson | stew: i thought that it had to be for 2 years (maybe the 2 years perios was for other thing.) |
| 00:51.50 | Smegzor | I'm on the box with the kernel panic now. I'm wondering if replacing the hard drive might help? The image I restore from is a disk image made with Norton Ghost (a DOS util). |
| 00:51.58 | musya | when i do apt-get upgrade it sas 216 not upgraded, how can i upgrade them? |
| 00:52.02 | JordiGH | musya: All of your software? Some of your software? Just one package? |
| 00:52.18 | abrotman | !sarge->etch |
| 00:52.18 | dpkg | sarge->etch is probably read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the release notes. also ask me about <security> |
| 00:52.19 | musya | JordiGH, all of the ones i get a list of |
| 00:52.21 | JordiGH | musya: do dist-upgrade... but beware that this may be dangerous. |
| 00:52.28 | musya | why? |
| 00:52.47 | tvynr | abrotman: Interesting point, yes; I can't apt-get source apt-utils=specific-version because the apt-utils package is compiled from sources from apt. Any idea how I filter out those sorts of packages from my fetch? |
| 00:52.53 | jorgp | cafuego: thanks for the help |
| 00:53.12 | stew | JordiGH: uhh, what does it do? |
| 00:53.12 | JordiGH | musya: Because dependency resolution is more complicated than you might think... apt can't always get it right. If you're upgrading from sarge to etch, follow abrotman's advice. |
| 00:53.20 | cafuego | jorgp: hmm, odd. oh well. |
| 00:53.23 | JordiGH | stew: And you call yourself a Perl hacker... ;-) |
| 00:53.39 | jorgp | cafuego: yeah strange, but its working |
| 00:53.46 | Vasistha | jorgp: you also might ask in #mysql |
| 00:53.51 | musya | JordiGH, im not, i only need it to hold files |
| 00:53.57 | musya | and some web testing |
| 00:53.59 | jorgp | cafuego: I restarted it and then it let me set the password |
| 00:54.03 | Vasistha | jorgp: oh, sounds like you got it ... heh, didn't realize I was scrolled up :) |
| 00:54.04 | stew | JordiGH: it looks like an unterminated s expression to me |
| 00:54.06 | JordiGH | stew: Capitalises the first letter of every word in filenames with spaces (and other separators, unfortunately) e.g. mp3 titles. |
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| 00:54.21 | jorgp | Vasistha: yeah, thanks |
| 00:54.28 | JordiGH | stew: I forgot a semicolon after the tr function. |
| 00:54.52 | SlackRat | naughty! |
| 00:54.56 | cafuego | jorgp: Possibly it doesn't call 'refersh privileges' after the initial root user creation. |
| 00:55.05 | cafuego | jorgp: (which would be a bug ;-) |
| 00:55.15 | flyinprogramer | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:55.23 | abrotman | tvynr: dpkg -l |awk '{print $2}' | xargs apt-cache show | grep Source | sort | uniq |
| 00:55.24 | Vasistha | musya: there's a guide for this very circumstance you're in |
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| 00:55.33 | abrotman | tvynr: that's not 100% .. but i think you can tweak it from there |
| 00:55.37 | JordiGH | musya: Try using aptitude and dist-upgrade... and read very carefully what it says it'll do. If it says it's going to remove hundreds of packages, don't go ahead, of course. |
| 00:55.42 | stew | JordiGH: so one side of the s expression is '\b\w' and the other side is ' $_=$&' ? and you left off the last / ? |
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| 00:56.01 | musya | JordiGH, it only said 8 to remove |
| 00:56.17 | abrotman | tvynr: grep Source: instead of just Source |
| 00:56.19 | musya | Vasistha, could you point me to the guid? |
| 00:56.22 | musya | what is it? |
| 00:56.37 | Vasistha | musya: if I can find it :P /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 00:56.39 | JordiGH | stew: arg1: \b\w arg2: $_ = $&; tr#[a-z]#[A-Z]#; $_ arg3: ge |
| 00:56.41 | musya | JordiGH, i got it to upgrade, its doing it now |
| 00:57.05 | JordiGH | musya: Ok. And keep using aptitude from now on. aptitude is smarter than apt-get and the current recommended way of handling packages in Debian. |
| 00:57.22 | stew | i don't get it |
| 00:57.25 | tvynr | abrotman: So that's a list of... let's see... the intersection of the set of packages I have installed and the set of packages for which source is available? |
| 00:57.55 | abrotman | tvynr: no .. it's telling you the source package for all the packages you have installed |
| 00:58.01 | Smegzor | ok the hardisk that I can't mount reports EXT3-fs: journal inode is deleted. The weird thing is I can attempt to boot it and it gets well through before the kernel panic. |
| 00:58.12 | JordiGH | stew: replace first letter (\b\w) with upper case (tr command) and do it globally for each word (g). |
| 00:58.35 | JordiGH | Smegzor: Have you fscked your dick yet? |
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| 00:58.38 | JordiGH | Er, your disk? |
| 00:58.44 | rbellamy | lol |
| 00:58.45 | rbellamy | nice |
| 00:58.59 | tvynr | abrotman: Right. Now all I should have to do is tack a version number onto the end of each of those package names. Thanks. |
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| 00:59.08 | abrotman | tvynr: why? |
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| 00:59.28 | tvynr | abrotman: To make sure that I'm getting the version of the source which corresponds to the version of the software I'm distributing. |
| 00:59.41 | Smegzor | no I haven't. it is hda1. What should I put on the command line? |
| 00:59.41 | abrotman | tvynr: but they won't be on the ftp servers |
| 00:59.56 | tvynr | abrotman: Er. Blast. |
| 00:59.56 | JordiGH | stew: I passed the e param to s at the end so that I could write my own function. But since I don't know how to make tr act on anything besides $_, I assigned $& (last match) to $_ and after running tr, I output $_ again. |
| 01:00.21 | stew | JordiGH: you can at least replace the tr with uc i'd think |
| 01:00.44 | JordiGH | damn, there's an uppercase function? I'm using an old Camel Book. :-( |
| 01:00.56 | tvynr | abrotman: This is most vexing. I'm kind of hoping that JordiGH is right and I can just say "go find it at debian.org", but no one on #gnu seems to be available atm. |
| 01:01.11 | abrotman | tvynr: AFAIK ... he's right |
| 01:01.15 | abrotman | which might be a first |
| 01:01.18 | JordiGH | tvynr: You could try emailing debian-legal... they kind of love this stuff. |
| 01:01.24 | JordiGH | !smite abrotman |
| 01:01.34 | abrotman | tvynr: i suspect you can also do something like the above command with grep-dctrl |
| 01:02.04 | stew | JordiGH: can it just be something like s/\b(\w)/uc($1)/ |
| 01:02.42 | JordiGH | stew: Aha. |
| 01:02.42 | JordiGH | stew: So writing obfuscated code *isn't* a goal of Perl? ;-) |
| 01:02.49 | nethenson | stew, what is the \b(\w), for? |
| 01:03.09 | Vasistha | nethenson: \b = break between words; \w = word character |
| 01:03.15 | Smegzor | ok.. although I'm a windows user :O I'm running fsck on the disk just fine :) |
| 01:03.49 | Smegzor | its done. do I just want to try rebooting it now? |
| 01:04.00 | JordiGH | nethenson: word boundary (\b) and letter (\w) with a parentheses on \w so you can refer to it later ($1). |
| 01:04.15 | justin | Smegzor: can you mount the partition? |
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| 01:04.32 | nethenson | i see, thanks Vasistha, joakim |
| 01:04.41 | nethenson | , JordiGH |
| 01:04.47 | Vasistha | nethenson: http://www.regular-expressions.info/ |
| 01:04.48 | tvynr | abrotman, JordiGH: Oh... hang on. So you're saying that GPL v2 section 3c essentially says that I can redistribute the binaries without the source as long as I repeat debian.org's offer to the recipients and as long as I'm not selling anything. |
| 01:04.51 | Smegzor | no. same problem as before |
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| 01:05.04 | justin | Smegzor: what partition did you fsck? |
| 01:05.21 | Smegzor | fsck changed it from ext3 to ext2 |
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| 01:05.25 | abrotman | tvynr: of course .. your real problem is that your liveCD is a snapshot of testing .. |
| 01:05.31 | Smegzor | um.. I typed fsck /dev/hda1 |
| 01:05.33 | JordiGH | tvynr: I think so... but since abrotman is surprised I'm correct, you might want to ask in debian-legal. |
| 01:05.40 | justin | Smegzor: and what did you type to mount the partition? |
| 01:05.45 | abrotman | tvynr: so you'd have to find the correct place on snapshot.debian.net |
| 01:05.57 | Smegzor | I'm using knoppix. I didn't need to type anything |
| 01:06.07 | Vasistha | !knoppix |
| 01:06.07 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unoffical: https://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-knoppix/ http://debian-knoppix.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 01:06.14 | justin | ugh |
| 01:06.14 | SlackRat | tvynr, you might want to post at sidux.com.......they have a live/install cd based on sid, which changes faster than testing, and as far as i know? they are fully gpl compliant.....ask the devs there how they manage to do that ........re: source code |
| 01:06.21 | justin | Smegzor: mkdir /mnt/foo ; mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/foo |
| 01:06.28 | Smegzor | :P but the dead server is Debian Sarge :P |
| 01:07.01 | Smegzor | so you can shove that auto message where the sun doesn't shine :) |
| 01:07.25 | JordiGH | stew: Hm. The $1 in your proposal matches the whole word, not just the matched \w. :-( |
| 01:07.27 | tvynr | abrotman: Well, I'd like the LiveCD to have the ability to borrow from testing as necessary for certain updates. This LiveCD is intended for making ntfsclone images from Windows boxes, so I'd like to be able to use a nice, new, modern version of things like wodim as necessary. |
| 01:07.38 | tvynr | JordiGH: I'll have to check into that, yeah. |
| 01:07.40 | abrotman | tvynr: eh .. ok |
| 01:07.53 | tvynr | SlackRat: Thanks for the info... I'll pull up the site. |
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| 01:08.36 | SlackRat | they have an irc link on the site too, might get one of the devs on whatever irc server they use, live..... |
| 01:09.20 | Smegzor | I'm getting there slowly. This server is slower than granny. |
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| 01:10.01 | Smegzor | :D it mounted hda1 into foo :D |
| 01:10.07 | foo | Smegzor: or, mkdir /mnt/justin; mount /dev/hda /mnt/justin |
| 01:10.09 | Smegzor | erm.. now what? |
| 01:10.18 | justin | foo: :-P |
| 01:10.18 | foo | Yeah! How do you like that for a change justin !! How does it feel to be used! |
| 01:10.22 | foo | Hehe |
| 01:10.27 | justin | Smegzor: look around, files there? |
| 01:10.32 | Smegzor | yes |
| 01:10.42 | SlackRat | depends on my mood and whos buying the drinks |
| 01:10.43 | justin | Smegzor: bin boot lib etc? |
| 01:10.48 | Smegzor | yep |
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| 01:11.09 | justin | Smegzor: dev? dev/console? |
| 01:11.15 | jcole | is there a hack around the "javascript menus behind flash" bug yet? for example, try to use the adobe menus -> http://www.adobe.com/ |
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| 01:11.26 | slacker403 | holy crap bind is taking like 3-4 mnutes ot start up |
| 01:11.35 | slacker403 | it starts but wy is it taking to slong ? |
| 01:11.39 | slacker403 | why* |
| 01:11.39 | Smegzor | yes and yes |
| 01:11.42 | jcole | this bug pisses me off |
| 01:11.46 | justin | Smegzor: try rebooting? |
| 01:11.48 | slacker403 | also where is the default lighttpd config file |
| 01:11.48 | abrotman | jcole: ask #web ? |
| 01:11.57 | justin | slacker403: /etc/ |
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| 01:12.11 | Smegzor | ok. back in a bit. where do I send the beer? :) (if it works) |
| 01:12.17 | holycow | what is the name of that packaging application that watches what make does and tries to create .debs out of that? |
| 01:12.40 | abrotman | alien ? |
| 01:12.45 | SlackRat | checkinstall? |
| 01:12.50 | abrotman | stow? |
| 01:12.51 | holycow | checkinstall! *ding* |
| 01:12.52 | holycow | danke |
| 01:12.56 | SlackRat | bitte |
| 01:13.03 | abrotman | !stow |
| 01:13.03 | dpkg | i guess stow is Stow can be found at http://www.gnu.org/software/stow apt-get install stow Quick Intro to stow: ./configure && make && make install prefix=/usr/local/stow/program-version; cd /usr/local/stow/ ; stow program-version. Use stow -D to remove. |
| 01:13.03 | holycow | danke abrotman |
| 01:13.17 | holycow | ha! |
| 01:13.18 | justin | debian Gnu/stow would be a neat dist. |
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| 01:14.23 | JordiGH | But stow isn't a kernel... |
| 01:14.24 | SlackRat | im waiting for nexenta |
| 01:14.27 | SlackRat | :-P |
| 01:14.33 | JordiGH | And I do wonder if something like this is what Gobo Linux uses. |
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| 01:15.11 | justin | SlackRat: http://blogs.sun.com/aland/entry/svosug_project_indiana_get_the |
| 01:15.19 | justin | SlackRat: I have nexenta on one machine here, it mostly works |
| 01:15.48 | smacnay | Hi, I can access my usb scanner (using kernel 2.6.18 and udev on a new Debian install) using the command line 'scanimage' command but cannot access with xsane (where I need to be root). What permissions are needing to be set to allow "user" to access the scanner through xsane? |
| 01:16.06 | SlackRat | good to know....its been alpha for quite a while, never got too far with it |
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| 01:20.37 | liable | smacnay: is user in scanner group? |
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| 01:20.48 | Smegzor1 | Is there an op about who can kick Smegzor please? |
| 01:20.52 | smacnay_ | liable: yes, strangely enough. |
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| 01:21.09 | liable | smacnay_: and said user has logged out since being added? |
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| 01:21.17 | smacnay_ | liable: yes |
| 01:21.26 | liable | Smegzor1: register your nick and you can kick him |
| 01:21.29 | smacnay_ | liable: let me recheck that. |
| 01:21.43 | JordiGH | Smegzor1: You can use the !op command to call attention to the ops... but it seems a bit like crying wolf on this instance. |
| 01:21.47 | Smegzor1 | I already have registered it |
| 01:22.06 | SlackRat | ghosted? |
| 01:22.49 | smacnay_ | liable: would logging out and into X count or would that user need to log off the system entirely? |
| 01:22.51 | liable | Smegzor1: /msg nickserv ghost <nick> <password> |
| 01:22.52 | Smegzor1 | thanks |
| 01:22.52 | Stephaknee | hey, in debian, how do you set up what printer to use? |
| 01:22.54 | liable | smacnay_: logging out of x should do |
| 01:23.08 | smacnay_ | liable: then the user did log out and in. |
| 01:23.33 | Smegzor | yay! |
| 01:23.44 | liable | smacnay_: then i dunno. i havent played with xsane for ages. sorry |
| 01:23.44 | JordiGH | Stephaknee: CUPS is the preferred method... If you can't use KDE or Gnome frontends to CUPS, you can use a web interface... open with a browser localhost:163 |
| 01:23.55 | Smegzor | Anyway the server boots now. All fixed :D Thanks! |
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| 01:24.24 | smacnay_ | liable: thanks - I can still use it as root I guess |
| 01:24.45 | SlackRat | wtf? it was always better to use aptitude? learn something new every day....... |
| 01:24.48 | Stephaknee | heh, i'm such an idiot: calutron:~# apt-cache install cupsys |
| 01:24.54 | liable | smacnay_: i do vaguely recall having a similar issue though. |
| 01:25.06 | liable | no idea how or if i fixed |
| 01:25.21 | smacnay_ | It seemed to be easier to resolve back before I used udev. |
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| 01:25.25 | JordiGH | Stephaknee: Sorry, localhost:631 |
| 01:25.26 | smacnay_ | liable: I will keep playing around |
| 01:26.07 | Stephaknee | JordiGH: thank you...gotta install it now though. :) |
| 01:26.41 | JordiGH | I really need a mnemonic for 631. I keep forgetting the damn port number. |
| 01:28.01 | mmlj4 | for what reason does apt-get dist-upgrade reinstall the same kernel, then complain that I have to reboot? what's wrong with the kernel in the first place? |
| 01:28.02 | JordiGH | What's the fine structure constant? 163? |
| 01:28.20 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 01:28.20 | dpkg | qotd112 is, like, <Powered> jm_: I dont understand man tell me witch commando I willuse ? <jm_> Powered: I am not sure if I have the patience to do that <Powered> jm_: Why ? <jm_> Powered: because you're vastly inexperienced Powered> jm_: But plz tell me. <jm_> Powered: you'll need to get the source package, edit the files, build the deb and then install that <Powered> jm_: Install what ? <jm_> Powered: see? |
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| 01:28.31 | abrotman | mmlj4: security update .. same ABI |
| 01:28.45 | mmlj4 | um, huh? |
| 01:29.03 | mmlj4 | is it a version tick? or the same version? |
| 01:29.21 | tvynr | abrotman, JordiGH: I'll mail Debian legal and ask 'em about the GPL thing. For the time being, though, I think I've managed to get a script that will get me all the sources I'd need to redistribute anyway as long as my root is up to date with testing. Thanks for all the help. |
| 01:29.23 | abrotman | same ABI .. different source |
| 01:29.34 | abrotman | tvynr: enjoy |
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| 01:29.44 | tvynr | cheers :) |
| 01:30.17 | SlackRat | so when were people gonna tell me aptitude is preferred over apt-get ? :-P |
| 01:30.27 | JordiGH | !why aptitude |
| 01:30.28 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info |
| 01:30.28 | abrotman | read the install guide ? |
| 01:30.35 | asg | SlackRat: the release notes would have told you that |
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| 01:31.10 | JordiGH | Ubuntu's apt-get does the automatic uninstall thing. The same feature is currently in Debian's experimental apt-get, last I checked. |
| 01:31.10 | SlackRat | but the installer just worked..... :-P |
| 01:31.21 | JordiGH | SlackRat: But it would have Worked Better. |
| 01:31.28 | SlackRat | oh...... |
| 01:31.33 | SlackRat | heh |
| 01:31.45 | abrotman | JordiGH: the word is "Betterer" |
| 01:31.52 | abrotman | darn foreigners |
| 01:31.53 | JordiGH | abrotman: Betterst. |
| 01:32.01 | abrotman | no .. that's Bestest |
| 01:32.03 | asg | !superlativesmite abrotman |
| 01:32.19 | SlackRat | its also prolly in the Martin Kraft book sitting on my desk, and i prolly read it before, sigh.... |
| 01:32.22 | JordiGH | One thing I like about free software is that everyone is a foreigner. :-) |
| 01:32.34 | abrotman | !foodsmite asg |
| 01:32.37 | abrotman | wtf |
| 01:32.41 | asg | abrotman: danke |
| 01:32.45 | abrotman | !helixsnack |
| 01:32.49 | abrotman | bot dead ? |
| 01:32.52 | abrotman | !helixsnack asg |
| 01:32.56 | abrotman | o .. there we go |
| 01:32.56 | SlackRat | !death |
| 01:32.56 | dpkg | i guess death is what happens when you don't /msg, or the opposite of life |
| 01:32.56 | JordiGH | !penixstirke abrotman |
| 01:33.10 | JordiGH | !penixstrike abrotman |
| 01:33.10 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking abrotman to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 01:33.16 | asg | abrotman: mmm, teh yummy |
| 01:34.34 | JordiGH | Aw, the penix factoid has a broken link. :-( |
| 01:34.38 | khermans | i need to free up some packages that I have not used in a while from apt -- any ideas how to track down what I have been using and what packages are not frequently utilized? |
| 01:34.52 | khermans | ie, is there some utility to do this? |
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| 01:35.26 | JordiGH | khermans: popcon will tell you that... but it won't automatically remove stuff. |
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| 01:35.33 | abrotman | khermans: deborphan ? |
| 01:35.43 | abrotman | though that just shows what isn't depended on |
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| 01:36.54 | khermans | JordiGH, yes thanks! |
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| 01:37.11 | khermans | abrotman, deborphan also sounds like it might free some space, thx |
| 01:38.08 | JordiGH | khermans: aptitude makes deborphan largely obsolete, btw. deborphan is a little too aggressive sometimes (it often wants to remove X because X isn't that necessary). |
| 01:38.38 | khermans | JohnDoh, i use aptitude exclusively over apt-get |
| 01:38.46 | khermans | JordiGH, eh ^ |
| 01:39.05 | khermans | so i will probably be fine, popcon seems to be doing the trick |
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| 01:41.03 | khermans | abrotman, interestingly popcon shows many packages with no files touched ever |
| 01:41.12 | abrotman | touched how ? |
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| 01:41.16 | endra | Greetings |
| 01:41.22 | Ankman | hi |
| 01:41.28 | slacker403 | do i what is mysql called in the repo ? |
| 01:41.34 | slacker403 | apt-get install mysql dont work |
| 01:41.42 | dondelelcaro | !tell slacker403 -about search |
| 01:41.43 | endra | I have a microphone problem. It is not loud enough, I can hear myself in Skype but only when I blow on the microphone. |
| 01:41.49 | khermans | abrotman, 0 0 xsane-common <NOFILES> |
| 01:42.07 | abrotman | ok |
| 01:42.08 | endra | I can tell it is receiving, I can see it in the audio in list, I have selected it, reset skype. I did alsamixer -c 1 (my microphone) and put it up to the max, but still no go. |
| 01:42.14 | Ankman | endra: alsamixer, there is an option "boost" |
| 01:42.26 | dondelelcaro | endra: are the levels up in alsamixer? Are you plugged into the microphone port and not the line in? Have you tried a different mic? |
| 01:42.27 | endra | Ankman: unfortunately, not next to my microphone :-/ |
| 01:42.30 | abrotman | endra: turn up the mic gain in the alsa mixer |
| 01:42.34 | Ankman | you activate it with M |
| 01:42.44 | Stephaknee | why is cups printing a page before a print job telling whats being printed and whos printing it? |
| 01:42.46 | asg | abrotman: yours got to 11? |
| 01:43.06 | abrotman | asg: in guitar hero .. when the level is loading .. all the dials turn to 11 :) |
| 01:43.08 | dondelelcaro | asg: the best amps always go to 11 |
| 01:43.10 | Ankman | endra: but beware of feedbacks |
| 01:43.25 | JordiGH | Stephaknee: That's configurable... Tell CUPS not to do it. It's in there somewhere. Cover page or something. |
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| 01:43.31 | endra | Ankman, dondelelcaro, abrotman: it is at 100 in "alsamixer -c 1", there is no mic boost. I know it is receiving, because when I blow real loud, skype can hear it. Just not when I talk. Also, it is a USB microphone. Its name is AK5370 |
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| 01:43.46 | asg | dondelelcaro: my 1/2 stack did one upon a time :) |
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| 01:43.59 | asg | *once |
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| 01:44.16 | Zemus | How do I add something to start up processes? I want to make synergy boot up with my system. |
| 01:44.22 | Zemus | I'm running etch debian. |
| 01:44.30 | endra | Ankman, dondelelcaro, abrotman: Also, I know it works because when I boot into windows, it works just fine. |
| 01:44.32 | asg | Zemus: /etc/init.d/README |
| 01:44.47 | Zemus | asg, thanks for the pointer. |
| 01:44.54 | asg | Zemus: you're welcome |
| 01:45.01 | abrotman | endra: in your GUI .. there's an alsa mixer tool thingie .. turn up every level you have |
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| 01:45.06 | Stephaknee | JordiGH: im not seeing it |
| 01:45.16 | Ankman | endra: there isa, right to the mic settings |
| 01:45.26 | Ankman | unless your driver does not support it |
| 01:45.29 | dondelelcaro | asg: http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/DiMarzio-Bell-Replacement-Knob-111?sku=424664 <-- you just put these on a good amp |
| 01:45.44 | dondelelcaro | well, actually, I kind of lie; the best amps go from -inf to 0 |
| 01:45.48 | JordiGH | Stephaknee: One sec, I'll look around... |
| 01:46.02 | endra | Ankman: My microphone does NOT go into my sound out! |
| 01:46.07 | endra | sound card* |
| 01:46.08 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: that's fantastic! |
| 01:46.48 | Ankman | umm |
| 01:46.57 | Ankman | line in? |
| 01:47.27 | endra | Ankman: no, it is USB |
| 01:47.38 | Ankman | oh |
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| 01:47.57 | khermans | does anyone think this would break something? my bet is no -> aptitude purge -- ~n-doc$ |
| 01:48.01 | dondelelcaro | endra: ok; most likely it doesn't have the mic amp enganged; check through the alsamixer settings to see if you can find something to enable it. Otherwise, check google to see if someone has had similar problems. |
| 01:48.33 | endra | Ankman: dondelelcaro mic amp? The ONLY thing I see in Alsamixer -c 1 is the 'Mic'. |
| 01:48.43 | endra | ^^ dondelelcaro |
| 01:48.53 | endra | Card: AK5370, Chip: USB Mixer |
| 01:49.02 | nhuisman_work | hey does acpi cause issues like the system becoming unresponsive after you leave it alone for a while, like the keys won't repeat, an't you can't start any new programs |
| 01:49.05 | khermans | or is there a better way to remove all documentation files? |
| 01:49.09 | Stephaknee | i found it, JordiGH |
| 01:49.10 | Ankman | no idea how to access a USB phone |
| 01:49.12 | Stephaknee | "banner page" |
| 01:49.14 | Ankman | actually never heard of |
| 01:49.17 | dondelelcaro | endra: there should be more, but do an amixer scontents -c 1; and paste the results using a paste site. |
| 01:49.21 | nhuisman_work | I have this old box and it was running redhat 8, and now I put debian on it and every few hours it goes into nuts slow down mode and won't come out of it |
| 01:49.45 | nhuisman_work | i was thinking that perhaps the acpi isn't up to spec |
| 01:50.03 | nhuisman_work | takes like 3 minutes to start up top |
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| 01:50.17 | SlackRat | try disabling acpi at boot |
| 01:50.45 | JordiGH | Stephaknee: banner pages. From printer options (in the web interface). |
| 01:50.45 | JordiGH | Stephaknee: Are those enabled? |
| 01:50.45 | dondelelcaro | endra: yes; your soundcard most likely has a switchable mic preamp so you can run line in into the mic in port and vice versa |
| 01:50.56 | endra | dondelelcaro: http://pastebin.ca/501441 |
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| 01:51.53 | Stephaknee | JordiGH: yeah, i just turned them off...all fixed. |
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| 01:52.26 | khermans | how can I remove all packages ending in "-doc" using aptitude? |
| 01:52.31 | Stephaknee | JordiGH: but, one last problem......apparently the system isnt wordwrapping the text before sending it to the printer, so it's printing way off the edge of the page |
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| 01:52.49 | dondelelcaro | endra: could you do an amixer contents; too? |
| 01:52.55 | dondelelcaro | (-c1) |
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| 01:53.15 | JordiGH | Stephaknee: I don't think that's the printer's fault. Have your programs do the word wrapping. |
| 01:53.20 | endra | dondelelcaro: no, absolutely not. |
| 01:53.33 | EpP | So i have xebian running on my xbox. But it has the ip set 192.168.0.10, but my network is set for DHCP how can i make it get a dhcp address? |
| 01:53.34 | Stephaknee | JordiGH: shouldnt cups or the driver do that? |
| 01:53.40 | flyinprogramer | hey, i was wondering how i could easily clean up after a apt-get remove, i did apt-get remove apache-perl, and there are still a lot of extra apache-perl folders left over, is there an easy way i get apache-perl truly removed? |
| 01:53.54 | endra | dondelelcaro: :P http://pastebin.ca/501444 |
| 01:54.14 | JordiGH | Stephaknee: Why should it? It's not a text editor. |
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| 01:54.47 | dondelelcaro | endra: hrm; well, it's definetly got the volume all the way up, and it doesn't have any useful options |
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| 01:55.01 | dondelelcaro | endra: I'd check google to see if anyone has had a similar problem with your usb soundcard |
| 01:55.06 | Stephaknee | JordiGH: because generally its expected that my text goes on my paper and not on the roller? |
| 01:55.07 | phil3 | Question for you please. How can I setup odbc connection to use mysql connection please? |
| 01:55.12 | endra | My soundcard is not USB. |
| 01:55.17 | dondelelcaro | endra: what is it? |
| 01:55.18 | endra | My microphone is :P |
| 01:55.23 | EpP | anyone know how to setup DHCP? |
| 01:55.34 | dondelelcaro | endra: well, it's the same thing; the connection is just internal |
| 01:55.50 | dondelelcaro | EpP: you really need to talk to #xebian |
| 01:55.51 | endra | My sound card is PCI, my microphone is USB. |
| 01:56.00 | EpP | ah ok |
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| 01:56.16 | endra | The line in of my sound card is not where it is suppose to pick up my USB incoming |
| 01:56.17 | EpP | but its not like there is any difference... xcept the kernel |
| 01:56.19 | dondelelcaro | EpP: but you can get started by man 5 interfaces; and reading about dhcp stanza |
| 01:56.39 | Stephaknee | JordiGH: actually, maybe i put the paper in wrong. |
| 01:56.48 | dondelelcaro | endra: no; the point was that your usb microphone is really a usb soundcard with a microphone hard wired |
| 01:56.56 | dondelelcaro | (a really cheap usb soundcard) |
| 01:57.01 | EpP | dondelelcaro, isnt there just a quick ez way? |
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| 01:57.06 | endra | Oh. |
| 01:57.09 | JordiGH | Stephaknee: But if you sent it instructions to print off the page, it will print off the page. Postscript allows such instructions. It's not the printer's job to do the formatting. |
| 01:57.11 | endra | How can I find out the sound card? |
| 01:57.11 | rahul | EpP: man 5 interfaces. if that doesn't help, you're not using something that's debian-compatible. |
| 01:57.12 | dondelelcaro | EpP: that is the cheap, easy way. |
| 01:57.24 | Stephaknee | JordiGH: All i did was click "print" in konqueror. |
| 01:57.24 | dondelelcaro | endra: lsusb; should tell you what type it is |
| 01:57.26 | Stephaknee | JordiGH: its wordwrapped on the screen. |
| 01:57.32 | JordiGH | Stephaknee: Wrong paper size, then. |
| 01:57.38 | Stephaknee | JordiGH: its all set to legal |
| 01:57.42 | dondelelcaro | endra: I'd then google for it; someone's probably reported similar problems with alsa, and it may have been fixed or someone may have a workaround |
| 01:57.49 | JordiGH | Stephaknee: Confusing A4 with Letter is a common mistake. |
| 01:58.04 | JordiGH | Stephaknee: Also, check margins in KDE printers dialogue. |
| 01:58.09 | Stephaknee | ok |
| 01:58.15 | endra | dondelelcaro: all it tells me is AK5730. I have already googled it :-/ |
| 01:58.17 | dondelelcaro | usually confusing A4 with letter isn't really serious; it just makes the margins look funny |
| 01:58.22 | endra | Can I not force alsamixer to boost that line? |
| 01:58.23 | EpP | xebian is debian, it tlil work |
| 01:58.23 | Stephaknee | uhm |
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| 01:58.37 | dondelelcaro | EpP: it's based on Debian, it's not Debian itself. |
| 01:58.42 | rahul | dondelelcaro: the margins think you look funny |
| 01:58.42 | Stephaknee | JordiGH: this paper is 8 1/2 x 14 inch.....that's american legal, isnt it? |
| 01:58.52 | JordiGH | How can I tell grep to grep for "-doc"? How can I escape the -? |
| 01:58.53 | rahul | Stephaknee: yes |
| 01:59.00 | Stephaknee | then its all set right |
| 01:59.16 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: grep -- -doc |
| 01:59.36 | JordiGH | And awk is for extracting columns, right? |
| 01:59.42 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: (same way you tell any program that the options have ended) |
| 01:59.48 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: or cut; depends what you want to do |
| 02:00.06 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: Get the second column from some input. cut? |
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| 02:00.30 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: cut -f2 fooinput; |
| 02:00.45 | cast | JordiGH: and backdoors! |
| 02:00.52 | dondelelcaro | or, if you're doing what I think you're doing, awk '/-doc/{print $2}' fooinput; |
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| 02:01.35 | dondelelcaro | or perhaps, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l *-doc|awk '/^[hi]i/{print $@}' |
| 02:02.03 | dondelelcaro | s/@/2/ |
| 02:02.12 | JordiGH | Alrighty, got it... |
| 02:02.42 | JordiGH | khermans: dpkg -l | grep -- -doc | awk '/-doc/{print $2}' | xargs aptitude -s remove |
| 02:02.49 | JordiGH | khermans: remove the -s from aptitude, obviously. ;-) |
| 02:03.10 | JordiGH | khermans: And this is likely to break. Some packages *depend* on their documentation, not just merely suggest it or recommend it. |
| 02:03.41 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: So what's awk anyways? A programming language? |
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| 02:04.17 | JordiGH | Can I learn Perl instead of awk? :-) |
| 02:05.23 | Stephaknee | JordiGH: i cranked the margin way up on the right side and it fixed it. |
| 02:05.26 | Stephaknee | JordiGH: good enough for me. |
| 02:05.42 | Stephaknee | the print looks like crap though. ;/ |
| 02:05.55 | EpP | dendelelcaro, yo, i set it up for dhcp. I would just restart but this is a live cd. how do i reset the interfaces now? |
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| 02:07.22 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: yes, awk is a programming language; and yes, you can learn perl instead of awk. |
| 02:07.42 | holycow | but why would ANYONE want to learn perl? |
| 02:07.46 | holycow | -_- |
| 02:07.51 | holycow | *whistle* |
| 02:08.06 | EpP | python is where its at |
| 02:08.14 | holycow | *ding* |
| 02:08.25 | Stephaknee | when it prints, the text is like... the dots dont start on the same part of every line |
| 02:08.26 | holycow | i think we have a winner |
| 02:08.31 | rahul | *dong* |
| 02:08.45 | holycow | tell EpP what he has won in todays early bird special bob! |
| 02:08.56 | EpP | haha |
| 02:08.58 | JordiGH | Meh, does Python have regexping builtin? I didn't see it. And can I write Python programs in the command line and pass them to Python to manipulate text? |
| 02:09.07 | holycow | its a module |
| 02:09.09 | EpP | i think so |
| 02:09.24 | Stephaknee | like, i have a big <h1> T printed, and about halfway down the bottom part of the T, it's offset to the left by the width of the downstroke of the T |
| 02:09.27 | Stephaknee | what would cause that? |
| 02:09.28 | rahul | JordiGH: duh.. of course |
| 02:09.46 | h3sp4wn | JordiGH: Hell of alot more typing to do one liners in python |
| 02:09.55 | Stephaknee | the whole line is offset like that |
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| 02:10.07 | JordiGH | How do one-liners deal with the whitespace thing? |
| 02:10.30 | rahul | dunno. I use lisp for my one-liners :) |
| 02:10.35 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: the perl of the same would be slightly more complicated though: perl -ne 'print ${[split /\s+/]}[2].qq(\n) if /^[hi]i/;' or similar |
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| 02:10.59 | EpP | holycow, how do i reset my network interfaces to get a new ip? |
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| 02:11.07 | rahul | EpP: man 5 interfaces |
| 02:11.13 | rahul | EpP: it says right at the top |
| 02:11.15 | holycow | /etc/init.d/network restart |
| 02:11.34 | holycow | provided its dhcp or what rahul said for other config options |
| 02:12.05 | Stephaknee | there isnt a way to use a windows print driver in linux, is there? |
| 02:12.31 | JordiGH | Stephaknee: Have you tried using a Postscript driver? Most printers can do Postscript. |
| 02:12.33 | EpP | rahul, ahh i see now |
| 02:12.43 | holycow | Stephaknee, no |
| 02:13.01 | Stephaknee | JordiGH: i'm just using the generic epson 9 pin driver. but im having the above mentioned problem |
| 02:13.06 | Stephaknee | holycow: ok. i've seen some weird things out there though. |
| 02:13.24 | zinx | most printers can't, ghostview can, and CUPS can.. |
| 02:13.24 | holycow | Stephaknee, canon printer? |
| 02:13.24 | abrotman | 9pin .. hehe |
| 02:13.24 | zinx | erh, ghostscript rather |
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| 02:13.32 | Stephaknee | holycow: uhm, no, it's an epson 9 pin |
| 02:13.37 | Stephaknee | lx-800 |
| 02:13.37 | holycow | oh jesus |
| 02:13.43 | holycow | i have no idea :) |
| 02:13.49 | abrotman | is there a color pin? :) |
| 02:13.58 | holycow | setting it up for some kinda business setup eh? |
| 02:14.01 | Stephaknee | im easily entertained by retro electronics |
| 02:14.11 | abrotman | that thing is old enough that it should work without a windows driver |
| 02:14.13 | Stephaknee | holycow: no, just personal use |
| 02:14.22 | Stephaknee | abrotman: well, did you see the problems i mentioned? |
| 02:14.24 | khermans | JordiGH, almost, but it appears you are right some packkages DEPEND -doc |
| 02:14.27 | khermans | interesting |
| 02:14.28 | EpP | bam im pro!!! i can ssh now! |
| 02:14.30 | abrotman | Stephaknee: nope |
| 02:14.33 | Stephaknee | i found a couple people posting on a forum with the same problems too. |
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| 02:14.42 | Stephaknee | abrotman: [22:08:07] < Stephaknee> when it prints, the text is like... the dots dont start on the same part of every line |
| 02:15.05 | abrotman | Stephaknee: called stair-stepping IIRC |
| 02:15.08 | Stephaknee | like, i have a big <h1> T printed, and about halfway down the bottom part of the T, it's offset to the left by the width of the downstroke of the T.....and the whole line is offset like that |
| 02:15.13 | EpP | thanks rahul |
| 02:15.14 | Stephaknee | that sounds accurate |
| 02:15.20 | Stephaknee | so, what would cause stair stepping? |
| 02:15.33 | dondelelcaro | Stephaknee: printing text with just \n without \r |
| 02:15.37 | abrotman | i don't recall .. but i do recall that magic perl can fix it |
| 02:15.44 | Stephaknee | heh |
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| 02:15.51 | Stephaknee | so is it something shitty about konqueror then? |
| 02:15.57 | Stephaknee | because thats what i printed with |
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| 02:16.22 | abrotman | you should have tried printing with another application |
| 02:16.23 | dondelelcaro | Stephaknee: nah; it's just because konquerer sends it to lpr which it expects knows how to deal with text |
| 02:16.40 | Stephaknee | dondelelcaro: actually it sent it to cups |
| 02:16.41 | dondelelcaro | well, I suppose it could be konq; I don't really know how knoq prints |
| 02:16.44 | Stephaknee | but shouldnt cups do it right? |
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| 02:17.31 | abrotman | Stephaknee: try to enscript something |
| 02:17.36 | dondelelcaro | or just a2ps |
| 02:17.37 | abrotman | or just straight lp |
| 02:17.38 | Stephaknee | and why do businesses use dot matrix printers anyway? |
| 02:17.45 | abrotman | Stephaknee: damn fast .. and readable |
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| 02:17.50 | dondelelcaro | almost no one uses dot matrixes anymroe |
| 02:17.53 | abrotman | and tractor feed rules! |
| 02:17.58 | holycow | Stephaknee, for duplicate copies on those inky papers |
| 02:18.19 | zinx | my old dot matrix was slow as crap compared to modern printers |
| 02:18.19 | Stephaknee | abrotman: i have a few auto parts stores and a junkyard that use them. |
| 02:18.20 | Stephaknee | but ok, carbon copies sounds reasonable. |
| 02:18.20 | abrotman | you can make the best 'worms' out of the tractor trimmings |
| 02:18.25 | Stephaknee | and my printer is slow as hell |
| 02:18.30 | holycow | carbon copies == inky paper thingies |
| 02:18.32 | holycow | heh |
| 02:18.38 | holycow | my brain needs a reformat |
| 02:18.40 | abrotman | Stephaknee: it likely has a fast mode .. or something like that |
| 02:18.42 | dondelelcaro | yeah; auto parts stores and junkyards tend to be lost in teh stone ages |
| 02:18.53 | dondelelcaro | not exactly surprising |
| 02:18.56 | Stephaknee | dondelelcaro: well, there isnt much reason for them to upgrade |
| 02:19.08 | abrotman | now .. the compusa used one .. that was a bit odd :) |
| 02:19.11 | Stephaknee | dondelelcaro: junkyards are actually pretty cool with their computer stuff....just not the printers. |
| 02:19.12 | dondelelcaro | Stephaknee: yes... that's why they're still there |
| 02:19.20 | holycow | in their business, they make hardware go the extra extra EXTRA mile' |
| 02:19.26 | abrotman | when i started Uni .. they had the old huge green/white printers |
| 02:19.28 | Stephaknee | dondelelcaro: you know about the junkyard network thingy, right? |
| 02:19.31 | abrotman | erm .. green/white paper printers |
| 02:19.33 | holycow | i know of one autodealer that still had sco unix running up to about 1 year ago |
| 02:19.42 | Stephaknee | abrotman: erm, whats so special about the color of the paper? |
| 02:19.58 | holycow | unfortunatley they made the mistake of moving to a .net app and now regret it but they really got their moneys worth out of the sco stuff |
| 02:20.00 | abrotman | Stephaknee: it's just a big printer .. and the paper is usually green/white |
| 02:20.20 | Stephaknee | heh |
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| 02:22.28 | flyinprogramer | anyone know of any good alternatives to Gallery2? |
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| 02:22.38 | phil3 | Is there any way to create a mysql odbc connection please? |
| 02:22.50 | Stephaknee | and, it's set to enscript it |
| 02:22.53 | Stephaknee | is that good? |
| 02:23.02 | fisxoj | I just updated icedove on sid, and it has wiped out my mail and all of my account info... it seems.... |
| 02:23.06 | pipeline | phil3: yes, myodbc |
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| 02:23.24 | pipeline | phil3: It's a *royal* fucking bitch to use. |
| 02:23.30 | pipeline | phil3: if you can find ANY workaround, TAKE IT. |
| 02:23.30 | phil3 | not found. |
| 02:23.36 | pipeline | phil3: Absolutely anything beats the crap out of myodbc. |
| 02:23.49 | pipeline | phil3: err, myodbc is windows only. |
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| 02:24.00 | phil3 | This is all for linux. |
| 02:24.08 | pipeline | phil3: then what the hell are you doing with odbc? |
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| 02:24.30 | phil3 | The application I am using to write the program with requires odbc |
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| 02:24.43 | abrotman | flyinprogramer: depends what you need |
| 02:24.46 | struct | anyones middle mouse button stop working recently? |
| 02:24.57 | pipeline | phil3: There's definitely no way to use ODBC to connect to mysql from UNIX. |
| 02:25.01 | abrotman | struct: only in one app ? |
| 02:25.10 | pipeline | phil3: MySQL does not support unixODBC, the only ODBC for UNIX. |
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| 02:25.53 | holycow | phil3, try using a better database than mysql |
| 02:25.53 | phil3 | You can use odbc with windows to connect to a mysql database. |
| 02:25.53 | holycow | postgres comes to mind |
| 02:25.53 | holycow | lots of other ones too |
| 02:26.01 | struct | abrotman: no seems to be in all gui |
| 02:26.06 | struct | abrotman: I be right back |
| 02:26.10 | struct | abrotman: got to restart X |
| 02:26.44 | flyinprogramer | abrotman: anything really |
| 02:26.53 | abrotman | igal is simple .. |
| 02:27.00 | phil3 | crap |
| 02:27.01 | abrotman | !info igal etch |
| 02:27.01 | fisxoj | does anyone know what icedove 2 won't show any of my emails or account info? |
| 02:27.04 | dpkg | igal: (online image gallery generator), section web, is optional. Version: 1.4-18 (etch), Packaged size: 24 kB, Installed size: 116 kB |
| 02:27.23 | pipeline | fisxoj: I don't think it can load profiles from old versions |
| 02:27.27 | pipeline | phil3: Yes, using myodbc. |
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| 02:27.46 | pipeline | phil3: odbc client libraries for UNIX are not exactly super-common, as ODBC was only used by microsoft and sybase |
| 02:27.49 | struct | hhmmm |
| 02:27.54 | struct | that didnt work |
| 02:27.58 | phil3 | Pipeline what do you mean? |
| 02:28.12 | struct | its difficult to live without middle mouse for copy and paste/open new tabs etc... |
| 02:28.13 | Stephaknee | hmm. |
| 02:28.14 | fisxoj | pipeline: so, I just lose all of my mail? |
| 02:28.23 | mentor | Smoke me a clipper, I'll be back for breakfast |
| 02:28.27 | pipeline | fisxoj: pretty much. Welcome to the world of Mozilla.com! |
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| 02:28.50 | pipeline | fisxoj: fortunately, thunderbird stores mail in a standard format. You can at least read the mail files manually :P |
| 02:28.50 | Stephaknee | abrotman: ok, i just printed something with kate at the lowest resolution the printer does.......came out fine. and fast as heck. |
| 02:28.53 | fisxoj | pipeline: I just restarted it and it found things |
| 02:28.59 | pipeline | fisxoj: lucky, lucky |
| 02:29.00 | fisxoj | pipeline: I reinstalled with synaptic |
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| 02:29.08 | Stephaknee | abrotman: but...print a web page with two words in H1..........hah. |
| 02:29.09 | pipeline | phil3: ODBC was almost exclusively used by microsoft. |
| 02:29.19 | pipeline | phil3: UNIX database apps typically have proprietary client APIs |
| 02:29.25 | abrotman | Stephaknee: yeah .. they fine when you just need to print something in a hurry to read |
| 02:29.31 | abrotman | they're |
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| 02:29.35 | Sazpaimon | what program lets me see what programs are using what ports? |
| 02:29.43 | pipeline | phil3: Port your app to something else... perl DBI/DBD, JDBC... |
| 02:29.45 | Stephaknee | abrotman: i figured it would be, thats why i bought this was |
| 02:29.47 | Stephaknee | $4 :P |
| 02:29.48 | pipeline | Sazpaimon: netstat -patn as root |
| 02:29.52 | Sazpaimon | thanks |
| 02:30.03 | abrotman | Sazpaimon: fuser -n tcp <portnum> |
| 02:30.05 | pipeline | Sazpaimon: lsof will tell you in more detail, but lsof command line arguments are a black art |
| 02:30.15 | Sazpaimon | I just needed to know what program |
| 02:30.30 | abrotman | pipeline: fuser is easy! |
| 02:30.43 | phil3 | O well |
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| 02:31.20 | dragond | Ok before you critisize me for asking what i'm about to ask putty/ssh is not a good option for me because i'm on a satilite connection which really really sucks. 1500ms avg latency... so Is webmin a good option or is there something better? I'm looking for a web admin system to control apache bind etc... |
| 02:31.40 | pipeline | dragond: Buy hosted plesk. |
| 02:32.01 | pipeline | dragond: alternatively, give up your satellite. Rural wireless? Dial-up? ISDN? |
| 02:32.05 | Stephaknee | dragond: you better make sure you use secure passwords and SSL and such.....that stuff's pretty powerful. |
| 02:32.09 | Stephaknee | pipeline: uh, dont be a dick. |
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| 02:32.31 | pipeline | dragond: my boss was on satellite. He gave up and bought a BRI connection :P |
| 02:32.36 | Stephaknee | pipeline: i've used sattelite before, sometimes its the only god damn option. why the fuck would he want slowass dialup? sat is INFINITELY better than that. |
| 02:32.45 | Stephaknee | pipeline: thank god they finally put cable out here. |
| 02:32.50 | pipeline | Stephaknee: Hell no it's not. Dialup is low latency by comparison. |
| 02:32.59 | abrotman | the latency on satellite is way worse than dialup |
| 02:33.04 | Stephaknee | Yeah, LATENCY |
| 02:33.06 | slacker403 | how do i install mysql on debian ? |
| 02:33.07 | pipeline | Stephaknee: also, in the U.S., most places remote enough to be stuck on satellite have rural wireless. |
| 02:33.08 | Stephaknee | but speed is way better. |
| 02:33.16 | pipeline | Stephaknee: latency is what matters to folks in #debian asking about ssh :P |
| 02:33.21 | pipeline | Stephaknee: don't be a jackass :P |
| 02:33.26 | Stephaknee | youre a fucking idiot |
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| 02:33.34 | pipeline | hahah |
| 02:33.36 | pipeline | jawesome |
| 02:33.39 | dragond | pipeline, I'd like to go free.. and Sat is my only option. the phone lines here are of very low quality. there is wireless but it would require a very tall tower, big hill between me and wireless tower... |
| 02:33.43 | calamari | I've installed apache2 and libapache2-mod-php5 is there something else I need to do to make php work? |
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| 02:33.59 | slacker403 | dragond: the hell u live ? |
| 02:34.13 | calamari | sorry, that wasn't very clear.. |
| 02:34.31 | dragond | in kansas... |
| 02:34.43 | calamari | seems to not execute <?php ... ?> blocks |
| 02:34.59 | pipeline | calamari: /usr/share/doc/libapache2-mod-php5 is probably your best bet on that |
| 02:35.13 | abrotman | hills .. in kansas ? |
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| 02:35.32 | pipeline | dragond: satellite is definitely not your only option, anywhere in america |
| 02:35.38 | abrotman | must be kansas, france |
| 02:35.38 | dragond | abrotman, yeah.. the flinthils are here |
| 02:35.42 | pipeline | dragond: even places with shit phone lines have ISDN available, it's just expensive |
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| 02:35.57 | pipeline | dragond: whine to your phone company :P |
| 02:36.00 | calamari | pipeline: thanks I will look at it |
| 02:36.03 | pipeline | dragond: tell them you want it for business purposes :) |
| 02:36.38 | dragond | pipeline, and the sat company has a crappy 18mo contract $200 for early term. |
| 02:37.03 | pipeline | dragond: 200$ is a lot cheaper than another 18 mos :P |
| 02:37.09 | Sazpaimon | wtf |
| 02:37.12 | dragond | lol |
| 02:37.20 | Sazpaimon | exim was binding itself to port 80 |
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| 02:37.25 | pipeline | dragond: at any rate, buying hosted plesk or cpanel is a much better bet than trying to run your own. That shit sucks pretty seriously. |
| 02:37.30 | dragond | so anyways back to the topic at hand.. |
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| 02:37.45 | pipeline | dragond: If you need more flexibility, virtuozzo hosting typically has a plesk-like control panel, but still includes shell access / compilers etc |
| 02:38.42 | el_isma | Hi! I'm setting up nx server. My pc is always logged in (in kde). When I log in NX, it restores my last saved session (which usually is weeks old). Is there anything I could do to tell it not to restore the session? As far as I know, Nx just runs "startkde" |
| 02:39.59 | phil3 | What if you need to use a odbc connection to connect from a linux to a windows server? |
| 02:40.29 | hardbop200 | trying to keep a mixed apt repo, docs refer to setting the |
| 02:40.42 | abrotman | you use odbc |
| 02:41.02 | abrotman | phil3: your programming language would support that via libraries etc |
| 02:41.23 | Caelum | there are a bunch of odbc libraries for linux |
| 02:41.30 | abrotman | !find odbc etch |
| 02:41.32 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'odbc' (15 of 40): cl-sql-aodbc ;; cl-sql-odbc ;; freeradius-iodbc ;; gda2-odbc ;; iodbc ;; libdbd-odbc-perl ;; libdbd-odbc-ruby ;; libdbd-odbc-ruby1.8 ;; libghc6-hdbc-odbc-dev ;; libghc6-hsql-odbc-dev ;; libgnadeodbc-dev ;; libgnadeodbc1.6 ;; libhk-classes-odbc ;; libhugs-hdbc-odbc ;; libiodbc2. |
| 02:42.20 | phil3 | Hmm |
| 02:42.29 | EpP | I just want a mysql server, what package should i get? |
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| 02:42.51 | abrotman | apt-cache search mysql server |
| 02:43.10 | phil3 | To use odbc you have to set it up on the machine in order to use it with purebasic. |
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| 02:44.54 | phil3 | vb.net is the same way. |
| 02:44.54 | nhuisman_work | is it fairly easy to point debootstrap at a working system and create copies of it? |
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| 02:47.15 | EpP | K guys, I have xserver running with fluxbox, but i dont want it to take up resources. is there a way to make it not start unless i type startx? |
| 02:47.29 | gravity | !nodm |
| 02:47.29 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 02:47.40 | gravity | EpP: ^ |
| 02:48.11 | EpP | so i will still be able to run it right? |
| 02:48.19 | EpP | it just wont start on boot |
| 02:48.19 | gravity | Sure |
| 02:48.20 | el_isma | :| removing the dm packages seems a bit extreme :| |
| 02:48.30 | EpP | and it wont take up resources? |
| 02:48.40 | gravity | el_isma: update-rc.d can be used to just disable them |
| 02:48.42 | nhuisman_work | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:48.44 | nhuisman_work | that seems fine. |
| 02:48.50 | gravity | EpP: The *dm won't start X for you on boot. |
| 02:48.57 | gravity | EpP: X will only start when you type startx |
| 02:49.17 | EpP | k |
| 02:50.04 | blenna | can someone reccomend a ftp server software that has simple ssl/tls support? |
| 02:50.18 | el_isma | Hi! I'm setting up nx server. My pc is always logged in (in kde). When I log in NX, it restores my last saved session (which usually is weeks old). Is there anything I could do to tell it not to restore the session? As far as I know, Nx just runs "startkde" |
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| 02:50.42 | dondelelcaro | blenna: protftpd does, as does vsftpd |
| 02:50.59 | EpP | thanks guyus |
| 02:51.06 | dondelelcaro | blenna: though if you really want simplicity, just use scp or rsync |
| 02:52.28 | nhuisman_work | rsync usually wins me over with it's resume |
| 02:53.11 | blenna | dondelelcaro: any of those besides proftpd support ip filtering? like deny all users w/ xxx.xxx.xxx.xx ip |
| 02:54.02 | EpP | so by going sudo apt-get install mysql-server-5.0 should install mysql completely right? |
| 02:54.14 | dondelelcaro | blenna: yes |
| 02:54.22 | dondelelcaro | EpP: yes |
| 02:54.39 | EpP | dondelelcaro, because i dont see it unpacking like in ubuntu... |
| 02:54.43 | EpP | it just dls them |
| 02:55.06 | blenna | thx |
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| 02:58.05 | draeath | What kind of PCI sound card would you all recommend for x86? |
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| 02:59.04 | rahul | draeath: sblives work fine |
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| 02:59.23 | EpP | i ran "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and it still goes to fluxbox on rebot |
| 02:59.25 | rahul | check the alsa wiki for details on all the cards |
| 02:59.40 | rahul | EpP: just remove the xdm package... |
| 02:59.54 | draeath | rahul: looking for something with a bit more fidelity (besides sblives are hard to find now it seams, creative gone all 'x-fi' and all) |
| 03:00.08 | draeath | used to have an sblive, it was good, but had some shortcomings |
| 03:00.24 | draeath | anything to definatly stay away from? |
| 03:00.32 | rahul | well, browse the wiki for cards you know are good hardware-wise |
| 03:00.39 | dondelelcaro | if you want something good, go for hammerfall |
| 03:00.57 | dondelelcaro | if you want consumer grade, dunno |
| 03:01.55 | EpP | rahul, i dont think it uses xdm |
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| 03:01.57 | EpP | and i want to still be able to start fluxbox if i need it |
| 03:01.57 | dondelelcaro | EpP: if it's not using xdm or gdm or kdm, then it's not Debian. |
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| 03:01.58 | rahul | EpP: then uninstall whatever package it's using |
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| 03:02.00 | dondelelcaro | no Debian setup would just start fluxbox at boot |
| 03:02.04 | EpP | dondelelcaro, well its xebian, a mod of debain for xbox |
| 03:02.13 | rahul | EpP: so how would we know what it does? |
| 03:02.48 | dondelelcaro | EpP: yes, so you need to ask in #xebian for support, not here. |
| 03:02.48 | dondelelcaro | EpP: as I explained earlier. |
| 03:02.48 | EpP | there is no xebian |
| 03:02.48 | rahul | why don't you ask #xbox for support? you expect them to know? |
| 03:02.48 | dondelelcaro | EpP: then ask in their fora or #xbox or wherever xebian is supported |
| 03:02.52 | EpP | you guys dont like to help very much |
| 03:02.58 | nhuisman_work | for the current lamp stack should I just do aptitude install php5 apache2 mysql5 |
| 03:03.01 | rahul | then there is no one here who wants to support xebian... you should ask where there are people who do |
| 03:03.06 | rahul | EpP: uh, you don't like to GET help |
| 03:03.21 | EpP | yes thats why im asking you guys |
| 03:03.27 | EpP | it is debian |
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| 03:03.28 | nhuisman_work | sorry mysql is already 5 |
| 03:03.29 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@c-24-10-220-15.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 03:03.29 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 03:03.30 | rahul | EpP: no it's not |
| 03:03.53 | rahul | even Bill Clinton didn't have that messed up of a defintion of is |
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| 03:04.26 | holycow | heh |
| 03:04.30 | holycow | funny |
| 03:04.36 | el_isma | EpP: I too don't get it. Debian channel insists that only Debian is Debian. No Debian derivate is similar enough. I don't understand why. |
| 03:05.01 | dondelelcaro | el_isma: if the derivative was similar enough, you could just install Debian |
| 03:05.04 | rahul | el_isma: ask for help in #linux, then |
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| 03:05.17 | holycow | El_Guillermo, lol oh c'mon dude |
| 03:05.18 | rahul | since whatever you're using is a derivative of linux |
| 03:05.20 | holycow | how hard can it be? |
| 03:05.43 | Amarande | hmm |
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| 03:05.51 | Amarande | does #redhat support other RPM dists, I wonder |
| 03:05.51 | holycow | imagine you had 700 users in a channel wher eyou dish out free help and a project where over a 1000 devs contribute and thousands upon thousands of people test the project |
| 03:06.00 | rahul | hell, why not ask in #hardware, since your distro runs on hardware |
| 03:06.05 | el_isma | rahul: "linux" doesn't have the same administrative structure as debian has. Anyone asking debian-derivates questions in #debian must know enough to realize that they have the same administration |
| 03:06.10 | holycow | how do YOU expect to maintain sanity but to insist on a strict defintion of what is debian? |
| 03:06.14 | cafuego | Amarande: centos at least you'd hope ;-) |
| 03:06.18 | holycow | c'mon, its purely practical |
| 03:06.30 | rahul | el_isma: then they are retards since they DON'T. |
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| 03:06.43 | holycow | el_isma, even, sorry El_Guillermo |
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| 03:07.03 | dondelelcaro | el_isma: almost all of the derivatives difer in some way, otherwise they wouldn't exist. Keeping track of those diferences is not something we can do, and frankly, there are places where you can get better help than we can provide. We're here to support Debian, plain and simple. |
| 03:07.04 | draeath | OK, creative audigy 2 ZS is shipping to me. Seems to be well supported |
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| 03:07.36 | draeath | better than this audigy SE... jerks removed the DSP |
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| 03:08.13 | dondelelcaro | draeath: after all, why would you need a DSP on a soundcard? I mean, what signals would you possibly be processing? |
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| 03:08.57 | draeath | dondelelcaro: i dual boot into windows to work with Reason and friends. between ASIO and some direct processing on the card, its useful |
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| 03:09.34 | el_isma | rahul: All debian derivates I know of (not many, though) keep the administration architecture (dpkg and friends). Most only change packages (either more packages or different arch) |
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| 03:09.58 | dondelelcaro | el_isma: the point is that it is the packages that actually make the distribution |
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| 03:10.18 | rahul | el_isma: he asked nothing about using package management tools |
| 03:10.32 | dondelelcaro | el_isma: dpkg, aptitude, apt-get et al. are nice, but when you change the packages, you change how things work together |
| 03:10.32 | draeath | anyone know of where one could find out how to set up LVM + encryption manualy during install? the guided only works with full-disk (i have a widows partition) |
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| 03:10.34 | rahul | he seemed to already know that, but he had no clue what _applications_ were running |
| 03:10.37 | draeath | i have my linux-only laptop using it now... |
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| 03:11.04 | dondelelcaro | draeath: heh; paint what I said with dripping amounts of sarcasm and reread. ;-) |
| 03:11.35 | draeath | dondelelcaro: heh, I get it now |
| 03:11.39 | el_isma | I just think you shouldn't be that harsh with people that don't run Pure Debian. |
| 03:11.58 | dondelelcaro | el_isma: we try not to be; we point them in the right direction, and send them on their way |
| 03:12.25 | cafuego | But pointing people in the right direction with a cluebat is a tad easier. |
| 03:12.28 | dondelelcaro | el_isma: indeed, we actually answered his question if he was running Debian |
| 03:12.33 | rahul | el_isma: I just think you shouldn't be expecting us to learn everything about every random thing that uses some random thing from debian |
| 03:12.52 | el_isma | rahul: No, of course, not. |
| 03:12.56 | holycow | el_isma, i think we should |
| 03:13.01 | el_isma | lol |
| 03:13.05 | holycow | this is open source, not microsoft |
| 03:13.06 | rahul | maybe I'll go ask for help with iceweasel in #redhat |
| 03:13.22 | holycow | we don't get paid to be nice or go for 'market share' or some such |
| 03:13.28 | rahul | and then attack them for not helping me |
| 03:13.42 | draeath | anyone done LVS + LUKS manually in the installer? |
| 03:13.46 | holycow | users are simply expected to do a wee bit of research and just try and ask in the right places for help |
| 03:14.01 | Amarande | by the way, World of Warcraft won't run on the family computer, which runs Windows ... |
| 03:14.02 | Amarande | heh |
| 03:14.19 | nhuisman_work | good, i hate that fucking game |
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| 03:14.36 | nhuisman_work | wasted way too much time on it already. |
| 03:14.45 | draeath | nevermind, I found the 'securing debian manual' |
| 03:14.55 | el_isma | <rahul> why don't you ask #xbox for support? you expect them to know? |
| 03:15.04 | el_isma | that "you expect them to know" sounds harsh |
| 03:15.18 | rahul | el_isma: good. that was the intent |
| 03:15.18 | holycow | thats not harsh at all |
| 03:15.37 | holycow | your just looking at it from a much too sensitive filter :) |
| 03:15.44 | rahul | asking #debian for support with some random crap that uses debian's package manager is about as sensible as asking gamers for help with linux. |
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| 03:16.34 | dondelelcaro | I think the wet spot where the horse was has dried; lets move on |
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| 03:18.24 | el_isma | rahul: I know you mean well, but if you don't want to help somebody, you shouldn't say anything. This isn't "your" channel. |
| 03:18.34 | rahul | el_isma: uh... |
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| 03:18.41 | rahul | el_isma: this is #debian. |
| 03:18.45 | Guerin | el_isma: actually, you could fuck off to the appropriate channel |
| 03:18.55 | holycow | lol |
| 03:18.55 | draeath | hmm there doesn't seem to be much documentation for disk encryption... |
| 03:19.04 | rahul | yeah, like #whinging-babies |
| 03:19.05 | holycow | el_isma, welcome to debian :) |
| 03:19.06 | Guerin | if we go off-topic here, we make good and damn sure it's *really* fucking offtopic |
| 03:19.08 | scruffy | I have a magnetic stripe reader (i.e. credit card swiper) that doesn't work on my debian workstation, but works in Windows. It appears to just copy the data string (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_stripe#Financial_cards) to the screen. I know this is a long shot, but does anyone have any guesses as to what might be causing it not to do this on my debian machine? (input: USB HID v1.10 Keyboard [Interface F/W ID: 21002621 MSR210U Card Reader |
| 03:19.08 | thingfish | yay, looks like fun times |
| 03:19.15 | rahul | Guerin: ! |
| 03:19.17 | draeath | rahul: is that where you can go to throw babies? SWEET |
| 03:19.20 | holycow | we all know what you are trying to say |
| 03:19.21 | holycow | however |
| 03:19.29 | rahul | heh |
| 03:19.34 | Guerin | rahul: yes we do. |
| 03:19.41 | holycow | #ubuntu PROVES why following that advice doesn't solve everything |
| 03:20.07 | rahul | holycow: we can't fix ubuntu's ignorant user base. |
| 03:20.15 | holycow | precisely |
| 03:20.16 | dondelelcaro | folks, please; lets drop the conversation here |
| 03:20.37 | rahul | holycow: and we're not part of it, so we can't help people who are! end of discussion. |
| 03:20.39 | el_isma | so, it's about elitism... |
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| 03:20.49 | rahul | el_isma: yes, and you're lame. bye. |
| 03:20.53 | holycow | no, its about market segmentation |
| 03:21.01 | Guerin | <heh> |
| 03:21.18 | holycow | everyone fits into a different user group, with their own needs |
| 03:21.20 | draeath | Sorry to but into politics, but does ANYONE know anything about disk encryption with the installer? |
| 03:21.29 | holycow | being sugar sweet nice isn't terribly beneficial |
| 03:21.37 | holycow | neither is being a jerk |
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| 03:21.49 | rahul | holycow: no, it's about us not KNOWING what the hell they have on their box |
| 03:21.53 | holycow | typically you get a pretty cold straight ahead answer here and thats pretty good |
| 03:21.54 | Guerin | draeath: i bet the people who made the installer do |
| 03:22.03 | draeath | im not getting a cold straight answer... |
| 03:22.04 | holycow | rahul, *nod* |
| 03:22.13 | el_isma | <EpP> hey were right about xdm, i disabled that and now it doesnt run X. |
| 03:22.21 | el_isma | So... #debian did help :) |
| 03:22.26 | rahul | and us not being bothered to install whatever shit they have just so we can learn it and help them with it, because they can't |
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| 03:22.33 | dondelelcaro | holycow, el_isma, Guerin, rahul: if you must continue, please do so elsewhere |
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| 03:22.42 | holycow | allrighty |
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| 03:23.00 | Guerin | draeath: what explicitly do you want to know? |
| 03:23.02 | rahul | I'd rather not continue, so let's not take this elsewhere or keep it here :) |
| 03:23.24 | Guerin | draeath: bearing in mind that I personally know nothing about it - but your question ain't making anyone care |
| 03:23.39 | hydan | i can't get any help to get kde4 working, so my question now is, when i 'sudo apt-get remove kdebase4', why is it that only 193mb will be freed, when there was about 600mb used for the installation? |
| 03:23.46 | cast_ | draeath: nah, only LUKS manually. |
| 03:23.56 | draeath | .... thats what im not finding out how to do |
| 03:24.01 | dondelelcaro | hydan: you're only removing kdebase4, and not the dependencies that were installed along with it |
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| 03:24.09 | holycow | hydan, well thats a metapackages |
| 03:24.13 | draeath | I cant figure out how to set up LVM / LUKS manually, and i cant seem to find any documentation explaining it |
| 03:24.14 | cafuego | hydan: The stuff that kdebase4 depends on, but not vice versa, will not be removed. |
| 03:24.15 | dondelelcaro | hydan: use aptitude instead of apt-get, and this would have been handled automatically |
| 03:24.16 | holycow | its an empty package that just pulls in other stuff |
| 03:24.20 | CyberMad | how to make auto backup of modified file on FTP Server, so i make file storage in office.. sometime there is people modify / delete the file and can not restore it |
| 03:24.23 | holycow | oh nm |
| 03:24.25 | holycow | kde4base |
| 03:24.28 | holycow | i didn't read |
| 03:24.29 | holycow | sorry |
| 03:24.30 | CyberMad | i use proftpd |
| 03:24.32 | draeath | cast_: if you can throw me at a primer or someting, that would be helpful |
| 03:24.50 | Guerin | CyberMad: why use ftp? I recommend rsnapshot or duplicity for this purpose. |
| 03:24.51 | draeath | cast_: at the moment I have a very vague idea of what LVM is |
| 03:24.59 | justin | hydan: try removing kdelibs |
| 03:25.06 | cast_ | draeath: oh, then do you think you need it? ;) |
| 03:25.16 | dondelelcaro | CyberMad: there some versioning filessytems out there too that you can use ftp on top of |
| 03:25.31 | justin | hydan: or rather, the specific package that depends on |
| 03:25.41 | holycow | dondelelcaro, such as? |
| 03:25.42 | draeath | cast_: i find that I keep having to bring proprietary info onto the system and I want to make sure that it's not going to be accessable from an offline system |
| 03:25.51 | cafuego | draeath: LVM is easy. You group a bunch of partitions together into a volume group. Then you take bits of that and use them as filesystems. (those are the logical volumes). |
| 03:25.56 | CyberMad | dondelelcaro i thought cvs just use for software development?? |
| 03:26.20 | draeath | hmm, have to throw VMWare on here and sandbox a bit |
| 03:26.22 | cafuego | draeath: So LVM is a way of using disk space without being limited by the size of individual physical disks. |
| 03:26.33 | draeath | cafuego: so LVM isn't needed for LUKS? |
| 03:26.33 | dondelelcaro | holycow: ext3cow, et al, and a few others |
| 03:26.45 | cafuego | draeath: I don't know what LUKS is |
| 03:26.47 | cast_ | cafuego: but should he create the PV on the encrypted volume, or create the encrypted volume on a LV? |
| 03:26.47 | holycow | oh i heard about that recently |
| 03:26.48 | holycow | neat |
| 03:26.50 | cast_ | draeath: no! |
| 03:26.51 | dondelelcaro | CyberMad: CVS is different from a versioning filesystem |
| 03:27.16 | cast_ | draeath: LUKS certainly does not need LVM |
| 03:27.20 | nhuisman_work | stupid cacti package requires apache 1.x and php4, yet you can then configure it for apache2 once you install it. |
| 03:27.45 | dondelelcaro | !depends cacti |
| 03:27.46 | draeath | cast_: is there some documentation I can use to set up LUKS manually on install with etch then? rather than annoying you all about it? |
| 03:27.48 | dpkg | cacti: depends on apache2 | apache | apache-ssl | apache-perl | httpd, libapache2-mod-php4 | php4 | libapache2-mod-php5 | php5, php4-mysql (>= 4.3.10-9) | php5-mysql, php4-cli | php5-cli, php4-snmp | php5-snmp, virtual-mysql-client, rrdtool, snmp, logrotate, libphp-adodb (>= 4.50-1), ucf, dbconfig-common (>= 1.8.8), debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0 |
| 03:27.52 | cafuego | cast_: I'm 99% sure you would create normal PV partitions, then encrypt the individual volumes. |
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| 03:28.08 | nhuisman_work | so why does it require php4 and php5 |
| 03:28.14 | dondelelcaro | nhuisman_work: it has alternate dependencies; it'll actually install apache2 by default |
| 03:28.20 | justin | nhuisman_work: | means or |
| 03:28.23 | cafuego | nhuisman_work: 4 *or* 5 |
| 03:28.56 | cafuego | cast_: So you'd get PV -> VG -> LV -> dm(crypt) -> partition. |
| 03:29.06 | cast_ | draeath: hmm, there's the dm-crypt wiki. if i were you in the etch installer i'd create a root normal partition, then an encrypted partition for /var and another for /home and another for swap - if you use swap |
| 03:29.11 | cafuego | cast_: disclaimer: I'm guessing |
| 03:29.17 | nhuisman_work | odd, earlier I installed apache2 then tried to install cacti and it said it was going to install apache |
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| 03:29.46 | cast_ | cafuego: i have a question that wasn't obvious to me. when i create a LV how can i ensure its at thebeginning of the disk? when i was creating them in the installer i did it in order i wanted them on the disk but then it listed them alphabetically |
| 03:29.54 | draeath | cast_: I'm OK with everything but /boot encrypted. If i can put the keyfiles for the rest of the partitions on a dedicated partition, and keep the keyfile for that partition on a USB device... excellent |
| 03:30.00 | nhuisman_work | now going from scratch to aptitude install cacti is just installed apache2 and mysql5, and php4 and 5 |
| 03:30.10 | nhuisman_work | is there some reason it did both? |
| 03:30.23 | dondelelcaro | nhuisman_work: it's possible that older versions were missing the alternate dependencies |
| 03:30.32 | nhuisman_work | i see |
| 03:30.36 | cafuego | cast_: I'm pretty sur it'll space it out as the data size grows, as opposed to reserving all space right away. |
| 03:30.39 | dondelelcaro | (but as soon as libapache2-mod-php{4,5} were available, it would have been a bug) |
| 03:31.04 | cast_ | cafuego: hmmm. was concerned about rw speed |
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| 03:31.15 | cafuego | cast_: meh |
| 03:31.32 | cast_ | cafuego: well the end if the disk is about half as fast as the start |
| 03:32.21 | flyinprogramer | hey, i'm trying to apt-get something, and it's asking for the install cd, is there away i can get around that? |
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| 03:32.38 | flyinprogramer | yup |
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| 03:32.40 | flyinprogramer | i'm a good |
| 03:32.41 | cast_ | flyinprogramer: open up /etc/apt/sources.list and comment out cdrom lines, then apt-get update and try again |
| 03:32.44 | flyinprogramer | yeah |
| 03:32.46 | epp_ | hi |
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| 03:33.13 | flyinprogramer | sorry about that |
| 03:33.19 | flyinprogramer | thanks for the help |
| 03:33.31 | epp_ | i want to give you guys props for the help. X doesnt start now |
| 03:33.48 | cast_ | epp_: nice. you don't need it :) |
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| 03:34.36 | draeath | of aes, blowfish, serpent, and twofish... twofish is fastest, then blowfish, then aes, then serpent.... right? I think thats right. |
| 03:34.49 | epp_ | nah, im using my xbox as a test server, and since my xbox only has 64mb of ram i need as little as possible. |
| 03:35.03 | cast_ | draeath: don't use blowfish. |
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| 03:35.53 | draeath | cast_: whats wrong with it? |
| 03:35.57 | cast_ | draeath: AES or serpent, serpent is more conservatively designed, AES is faster and has probably been analysised the most. i think yes, twofish is faster than aes for 256bit keys |
| 03:36.14 | cast_ | draeath: the blocksize is half that of all the other ciphers |
| 03:36.35 | holycow | wasn't blowfish cracked a while back? |
| 03:36.39 | draeath | wasn't serpent a finalist with whatever AES was? |
| 03:36.41 | cast_ | holycow: no. |
| 03:36.52 | holycow | i am mistaken |
| 03:36.58 | cast_ | draeath: yes, serpent came second, AES won [obviously] |
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| 03:37.44 | holycow | lol |
| 03:37.56 | draeath | cast_: aah, i see. aes is faster but serpent is supposed to be more secure. |
| 03:38.14 | draeath | well, i'm not hiding anything threatning or defense secrets, or customer data. AES should be fine |
| 03:38.19 | flyinprogramer | saaawweeeet i have thumbnails for Gallery2 now |
| 03:38.47 | epp_ | so i ran sudo apt-get install mysql-server-5.0. But I dont think it installed it. where are the packages kept on download? |
| 03:39.07 | draeath | EpP: /var/cache/apt/archive |
| 03:39.10 | draeath | or archives |
| 03:39.18 | epp_ | thx |
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| 03:40.26 | epp_ | k, any ideas why it didnt unpack them with that command? |
| 03:40.35 | epp_ | theyre all just chillin there... |
| 03:42.09 | draeath | cast_: thank you for all the help |
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| 03:43.13 | cast_ | :> |
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| 03:45.18 | draeath | Now I get to go back to banging my head against the wall trying to get Java to read/write unsigned bytes and shorts |
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| 03:46.48 | epp_ | k i had about 13 debs in that directory, do i have to run them in a certain order? becuase i just did "sudo dpkg -i *.deb" |
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| 03:47.51 | nhuisman_work | how can I get a list of all the files in a package? |
| 03:48.04 | nhuisman_work | nevermind |
| 03:48.09 | nhuisman_work | dpkg -L |
| 03:48.35 | epp_ | i just had some errors |
| 03:48.57 | epp_ | said it has some errors installing them |
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| 03:50.54 | epp_ | ok, ill just try tommorow |
| 03:50.55 | DavidProck1981 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyoppsuudgY&mode=related&search= |
| 03:50.56 | thingfish | epp_: why not just use apt-get or aptitude |
| 03:51.03 | DavidProck1981 | oops wrong window |
| 03:51.30 | epp_ | thingfish: because. i did apt-get install php5 |
| 03:51.40 | thingfish | epp_: and what happened? |
| 03:51.40 | epp_ | and it didnt install it just dowloaded them... |
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| 03:52.00 | thingfish | etch? |
| 03:52.11 | epp_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:52.20 | nhuisman_work | DavidProck1981, wow she sux. |
| 03:52.41 | DavidProck1981 | wait till about seconds then watch |
| 03:52.50 | DavidProck1981 | 50 seconds |
| 03:52.51 | thingfish | epp_: you check bts? |
| 03:53.18 | epp_ | how? |
| 03:53.29 | thingfish | !tell epp_ about bts |
| 03:53.53 | epp_ | ah i see |
| 03:53.56 | unlink | what's up with this? $ ls S.H.E* |
| 03:53.56 | unlink | ls: S.H.E-十面埋伏(奇幻旅程).mp3: No such file or directory |
| 03:54.08 | NefariousPrior | Having a graphics card in my pc disables my onboard graphics card and there is no option to bypass this in the BIOS. Is there any way to re-enable my onboard card and have the addon work at the same time with linux? ? |
| 03:54.23 | unlink | why does it glob if ls thinks there's no file? |
| 03:54.41 | DavidProck1981 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:54.47 | epp_ | NefariousPrior: is the graphics card agp? |
| 03:55.09 | NefariousPrior | epp_: Currently yes, but I can change this if need be. |
| 03:55.26 | liable | unlink: interesting |
| 03:55.38 | epp_ | NefariousPrior: your onboard is agp and your installed one is agp they wont run together |
| 03:55.42 | epp_ | i had the same problem |
| 03:56.04 | epp_ | but that was a few years ago, so maybe your hardware can |
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| 03:56.21 | NefariousPrior | epp_: What if I use the onboard card and a pci card? Will I be able to use both at the same time in linux? |
| 03:56.51 | epp_ | NefariousPrior: yes, the problem is your bios only handles one agp at a time |
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| 03:57.07 | NefariousPrior | epp_: makes sense. thanks |
| 03:57.14 | epp_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECVHXy4KXwk thats me eating it yesterday |
| 03:57.28 | epp_ | NefariousPrior: sure |
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| 03:58.55 | unlink | liable: i18n problem? |
| 03:59.00 | saidel | quick question. I have a small business, and I need to build a structure to allow my business partners the ability to upload and download files from a system located in the Internet. Where do I start learning? |
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| 03:59.31 | NefariousPrior | saidel: ftp ? |
| 04:00.41 | epp_ | saidel: yes, ftp is the first thing that comes to mind. |
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| 04:00.47 | Adremelech | lo |
| 04:00.58 | saidel | Nef: Nah, I'm dealing with people for whom "Connect a network drive" is a concept that has to be taught. It needs to be uber simple, like they boot, it connects in explorer. |
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| 04:01.07 | Adremelech | can someone point me in the direction of how to build a deb? |
| 04:01.33 | StaticSho | saidel: sharepoint? |
| 04:01.57 | saidel | Sharepoint? Will look. |
| 04:02.08 | liable | unlink: i dont have a clue actually |
| 04:02.18 | epp_ | Adremelech: google? |
| 04:02.22 | StaticSho | although, i gotta say, ftp does exactly what you want. it allows people to transfer files. |
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| 04:02.32 | Adremelech | epp_, i tried that |
| 04:02.33 | NefariousPrior | saidel: Could make a simple PHP file manager and put a link on their desktop to it. |
| 04:02.37 | StaticSho | sharepoint is a microsoft product, and isn't a free one |
| 04:02.42 | saidel | I was thinking it would have to be something like a combination of a VPN and Samba. |
| 04:02.59 | StaticSho | are you dealing with a linux env.? |
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| 04:03.05 | Adremelech | accually, it would be usefull to know how to unintall it first, since i built it wrong and apt cant uninstall it |
| 04:03.26 | Adremelech | so i need to rebuild it correctly to unintall it :/ |
| 04:03.30 | NefariousPrior | saidel: vpn+samba should work, but I'm not the guy to get that working. heh |
| 04:03.30 | saidel | Static: Oh, nm. I'm really tryin to stay purely open source. The ultimate goal is to bring the whole company to GNU/Linux. |
| 04:03.52 | epp_ | Adremelech: http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT8047723203.html |
| 04:04.05 | StaticSho | open source solutions often wind up being not exactly "point and click" |
| 04:04.15 | epp_ | im actually having trouble with apt right now, so im no help :P |
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| 04:04.57 | StaticSho | vpn and samba sound logical, though |
| 04:05.41 | saidel | Static: that's fine, I can configure anything to be "dummy proof". They trust me.. the fools! <grin> anyway, maybe I'll start them with NCFTP for the uploads and put in some htaccess rules in Apache for the downloads. Not exactly what my first intentions are, but it's quick and simple. |
| 04:05.44 | saidel | GRRR.. |
| 04:05.53 | saidel | I'm going back to epic4.. |
| 04:06.00 | Adremelech | anyone know how i can make my deb install into a certain dir? |
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| 04:06.57 | NefariousPrior | saidel: Might want to check http://php.resourceindex.com for a simpe PHP based filemanager application. |
| 04:07.41 | saidel | Nef: Ok, I'll head there.. might as well brush up on the PHP skillz.. *ahem* :) |
| 04:07.44 | epp_ | Adremelech, debs are made to be put where the developer meant them to go, If you set them to a folder, files might not be able to find each other. |
| 04:07.45 | concept10 | what java package offers the best performance? this blackdown java sucks (on my system) |
| 04:08.09 | epp_ | sun java? |
| 04:08.17 | Adremelech | epp_, as of right now, i just need the whole thing in a certain dir |
| 04:08.32 | concept10 | no, microsoft java |
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| 04:09.26 | epp_ | I have ran IBMs java. It sucked, i would just go with sun. |
| 04:09.42 | epp_ | Adremelech: man dpkg? |
| 04:11.52 | epp_ | everyone sleeping? |
| 04:12.02 | Adremelech | no |
| 04:12.07 | unlink | he is ---v |
| 04:13.21 | epp_ | k this is wierd. I just typed "apt-get remove xdm" and it tried to download xdm... its like apt isnt regestering the anyhting between apt-get and the program name |
| 04:13.57 | saidel | No, I'm just realizing that all roads lead back to Midgard or the Horde unless I either A) Spend the next 6 months building all of the software myself B) Pay someone 25K to do it or C) use a CMS like Midgard or Horde. |
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| 04:14.18 | saidel | A is my pipe dream, B is too expensive and C is somehwere in between. *sigh* |
| 04:15.12 | epp_ | saidel: develope it and market it |
| 04:16.15 | nhuisman_work | lol |
| 04:16.22 | nhuisman_work | someone is going to get in trouble tomorrow |
| 04:16.32 | nhuisman_work | statically setting their ip to an address in the dhcp pool |
| 04:16.40 | saidel | epp_: That is the final goal, but right now my company can't afford to pay me to sit "non-productive" for 6 months to a year to become a good enough developer then build the thing. |
| 04:16.48 | nhuisman_work | they set their cisco switch to the ip my mysql server was using. |
| 04:17.38 | saidel | Heh, give them hell. |
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| 04:17.44 | nhuisman_work | first I have to find them |
| 04:17.54 | epp_ | call them noobs O. |
| 04:17.58 | epp_ | O.o |
| 04:18.05 | epp_ | saidel, true that, dont you wish you were back in highschool when you had time to learn what you wanted |
| 04:18.48 | Adremelech | i wish i could uninstall my deb :/ |
| 04:19.15 | saidel | Besides, all of the software will be GPLed anyway, and the marketing will be for customization and support. But until we get to that point, I"m in a catch 22. Feh.. Kk, enough daydreaming.. abck to the task at hand. |
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| 04:19.19 | epp_ | Adremelech: apt-get remove <file.deb> doesnt work? |
| 04:19.53 | Adremelech | E: The package inspircd-base needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. |
| 04:20.05 | Adremelech | it keeps doing that, so i cant do anything |
| 04:20.20 | wols | !find inspirod-base |
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| 04:20.28 | Adremelech | ? |
| 04:20.29 | saidel | epp_: if I knew then what I know now.... wow.. if anyone ever invents time travel I have one journey.. go back to me @ 13 and say "Hey! Schmuck! Wise the hell up!" sorry.. back on topic. |
| 04:20.30 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'inspirod-base' returned no results. |
| 04:20.31 | epp_ | /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 04:20.48 | epp_ | Adremelech: ^ |
| 04:20.49 | wols | Adremelech: some other package depends on this broken package. and until you fix that problem your apt-DB is fucked ad won't work |
| 04:20.49 | Adremelech | wols, its not in debian archives |
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| 04:21.05 | Adremelech | wols, nope |
| 04:21.23 | Adremelech | it doesnt have any depends |
| 04:21.27 | wols | if nothing depends on it you can remove it |
| 04:21.41 | Adremelech | no, cuz it keeps giving me that error |
| 04:21.47 | wols | I didn't say it has depends. Other packages(s) depend on it. ohter way around |
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| 04:21.59 | Adremelech | no, cuz i just made it |
| 04:22.07 | wols | and if really nothing depends on it, you could remove it. so you are wrong |
| 04:22.08 | Adremelech | i _KNOW_ nothing depends on it |
| 04:22.21 | wols | man dpkg then |
| 04:22.29 | Adremelech | ok, ill guess im ignorant and havent tried removing it then :P |
| 04:22.34 | epp_ | a ghost in the system!!!! |
| 04:22.54 | wols | yes you are ignorant about the debian package management |
| 04:22.55 | Adremelech | jordan@ubuntu-laptop:~/inspircd-base/DEBIAN$ sudo apt-get remove inspircd-base |
| 04:22.55 | Adremelech | Reading package lists... Done |
| 04:22.55 | Adremelech | Building dependency tree |
| 04:22.56 | Adremelech | Reading state information... Done |
| 04:22.56 | Adremelech | E: The package inspircd-base needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. |
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| 04:23.09 | Adremelech | :P |
| 04:23.19 | wols | ignorant about #debian too |
| 04:23.31 | Adremelech | true dat |
| 04:23.33 | wols | what does dokg say? |
| 04:23.36 | wols | *dpkg |
| 04:23.39 | saidel | Kk, as usual, #debian is pulling me away from what needs to be done.. #debian, crack for guru wannabes. <grin> See you all. |
| 04:23.50 | Adremelech | wols, it builds it |
| 04:23.54 | Adremelech | no errors |
| 04:23.58 | Begasus | Ping don't go around posting this sh*t in the private chat!! |
| 04:24.10 | wols | dpkg doesn't build anything. except some DBs perhaps |
| 04:24.19 | Begasus | morning peeps |
| 04:24.39 | epp_ | wols, you have any idea why apt isnt recongnising any flags(install/remove) put inbetween apt-get and the package name? |
| 04:24.42 | Ryiel_ | Guys can someone tell me how to set free the serial port? |
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| 04:24.52 | Adremelech | wols, pm? |
| 04:24.56 | wols | did you try to remove the package with dpkg? |
| 04:24.59 | wols | Adremelech: no |
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| 04:25.11 | wols | Ryiel_: define "set free" |
| 04:25.17 | Adremelech | how do i remove with dpkg? |
| 04:25.28 | wols | epp_: without "option" apt only displays a message of how to use it |
| 04:25.33 | wols | man dpkg |
| 04:25.49 | Begasus | try'd with synaptics? |
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| 04:26.07 | rebo123 | hi everyone |
| 04:26.10 | Ryiel_ | wols: im trying to get lirc working but i cannot modprobe lirc_serial cause it says: FATAL: Error inserting lirc_serial (/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-486/misc/lirc_serial.ko): Device or resource busy |
| 04:26.12 | Adremelech | Begasus, yes |
| 04:26.18 | nhuisman_work | is there something special I need to do to get mysql to accept outside connections? |
| 04:26.48 | wols | nhuisman_work: make it listen on a port |
| 04:26.49 | rebo123 | are there any tools in Debian for managing a multi-processor system? |
| 04:26.56 | nhuisman_work | it is |
| 04:26.58 | wols | rebo123: managing how? |
| 04:27.01 | nhuisman_work | the standward one |
| 04:27.03 | nhuisman_work | standard |
| 04:27.10 | wols | nhuisman_work: which one exactly? |
| 04:27.17 | Adremelech | im going to die before i get this deb uninstalled :/ |
| 04:27.20 | nhuisman_work | 3306 |
| 04:27.30 | hydan | what's the command to remove applications using aptitude? |
| 04:27.35 | wols | nhuisman_work: on which interfaces does it listen? |
| 04:27.44 | wols | hydan: man aptitude |
| 04:27.45 | Ryiel_ | hydan: remove ;) |
| 04:28.02 | rebo123 | wols: perhaps setting a certain task to have affinity for a given processor? |
| 04:28.06 | hydan | ah |
| 04:28.08 | hydan | i'll man it |
| 04:28.10 | hydan | thanks ryiel |
| 04:28.12 | hydan | i'll use that in the meantime :) |
| 04:28.18 | rebo123 | wols: or, perhaps some other cool load balancing things? |
| 04:28.18 | wols | rebo123: I think you already have a driver for your serial port loaded, at least that is my guess |
| 04:28.20 | Ryiel_ | no problem :) |
| 04:28.36 | nhuisman_work | wols, is that in my.cnf? |
| 04:28.52 | wols | either blacklist the driver for your ttySx or look if you can tell it not to bind to the port with a kernel parameter |
| 04:28.54 | rebo123 | wols: I'm sorry? |
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| 04:29.06 | Ryiel_ | i think that serial thingy was for me |
| 04:29.07 | nhuisman_work | wols, figured it out. |
| 04:29.10 | wols | rebo123: was for Ryiel_ |
| 04:29.18 | wols | nhuisman_work: it's in your netstat output |
| 04:29.23 | rebo123 | wols: got it |
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| 04:29.26 | nhuisman_work | was listening on the localhost... |
| 04:29.36 | hydan | thanks guys |
| 04:29.38 | Ryiel_ | wols: how to remove it or how to know at least what keeps it busy? |
| 04:29.39 | hydan | good night! |
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| 04:30.13 | wols | Ryiel_: I told you what I think you can do. if nothong of these things work you need to compile your own kernel, serial port driver as a module and blacklist it |
| 04:30.18 | nhuisman_work | hmm |
| 04:30.19 | nhuisman_work | now it won't start |
| 04:30.21 | nhuisman_work | odd |
| 04:30.46 | epp_ | well im out, see you guys |
| 04:31.14 | epp_ | quit |
| 04:31.15 | nhuisman_work | oh, wrong ip |
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| 04:31.47 | wols | rebo123: schedutils |
| 04:32.06 | Adremelech | wols, i didnt see anything in the man for removing debs |
| 04:32.14 | rebo123 | wols: ty, I'll look into it :0 |
| 04:32.15 | rebo123 | :0 |
| 04:32.17 | rebo123 | :))) |
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| 04:32.59 | zph | Hey people, is it possible to ask a queston here even tho i use elive? |
| 04:33.39 | kenboo | i can't type & in gnome terminal...what could be wrong? |
| 04:34.11 | wols | Adremelech: then you haven't looked. another (shorter) way is dpkg --help |
| 04:34.19 | wols | zph: no |
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| 04:34.33 | wols | !elive |
| 04:34.33 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, elive is a livecd (installable) project based on Debian with additional packages for E17. It is not Debian. Supported in #elive. |
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| 04:36.03 | Begasus | forgot E16 there wols ;) |
| 04:36.09 | duri | with apt-get how do I get a detailed description of a package I have found with apt-cache ? |
| 04:36.52 | Adremelech | wols, it says i should reinstall it before removing it, is thier a way around this? |
| 04:37.08 | wols | Adremelech: try a --force option |
| 04:37.19 | wols | what happened that you got in this mess? |
| 04:37.24 | be`o | duri: apt-cache show |
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| 04:38.41 | erpo | How can I get a list of all files installed by a package? |
| 04:38.42 | Adremelech | wols, i didnt make the control, and postinst properly |
| 04:38.56 | Adremelech | or the prerm for that matter |
| 04:40.03 | wols | another way would be the recreation of the package, a dummy one, this time with the proper scripts |
| 04:40.10 | Adremelech | is their a file with the info for all the installed packages that i can edit to give inspircd-base an archive? |
| 04:41.46 | Adremelech | wols, i tried to make a newer one, but it says i cant install it |
| 04:44.23 | wols | newer one? it needs the exact same version, filenames, etc |
| 04:45.10 | duri | be`o: thanks ! somewhat I missed it while reading the man page |
| 04:45.40 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:45.57 | wols | erpo: dpkg -L <package> |
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| 04:46.15 | erpo | wols: Cool. Thanks. |
| 04:47.19 | Adremelech | wols: thx, it seems to be building now |
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| 04:49.16 | unlink | how do i customize exactly what sections of the exim log are displayed in my logwatch? |
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| 04:50.00 | niru_ | I was compiling the d-i |
| 04:50.07 | niru_ | while gave make all_build |
| 04:50.13 | niru_ | got the following error |
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| 04:50.24 | niru_ | Traceback (most recent call last): |
| 04:50.24 | niru_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:50.24 | niru_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:50.24 | niru_ | No library provides non-weak pango_cairo_context_set_resolution |
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| 04:50.45 | niru_ | Traceback (most recent call last): |
| 04:50.50 | niru_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:50.53 | niru_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:50.56 | niru_ | No library provides non-weak pango_cairo_context_set_resolution |
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| 04:51.02 | wols | stop that shit |
| 04:51.09 | wols | !paster |
| 04:51.09 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 04:51.26 | wols | oftc, #debian-boot |
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| 04:56.46 | solar_ant | hey all |
| 04:56.47 | solar_ant | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:59.42 | dondelelcaro | solar_ant: why are you using rcp? |
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| 05:00.06 | solar_ant | dondelelcaro: to cpy files from my comp to another comp using ssh |
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| 05:00.23 | xbaez | hi where can i find the url for repositories in ppc ? |
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| 05:01.08 | dondelelcaro | solar_ant: if you want to ignore existing files, use rsync instead. |
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| 05:01.17 | dondelelcaro | solar_ant: and you're really using scp in that case. |
| 05:01.34 | dondelelcaro | xbaez: it's the same as any other architecture |
| 05:01.44 | dondelelcaro | (assuming you've got a mirror that has all of the architectures) |
| 05:02.50 | xbaez | dondelelcaro, yeap but that is what i want i'm looking for a repository that have all arquitectures |
| 05:03.06 | dondelelcaro | xbaez: any of the main ones have all of them. /msg dpkg mirrors; for a list |
| 05:03.56 | xbaez | dondelelcaro, thanks a lot |
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| 05:04.27 | solar_ant | dondelelcaro: thanks i think i must start using rsync |
| 05:04.46 | dondelelcaro | solar_ant: np; learning rsync is probably one of the best things you can do |
| 05:04.55 | dondelelcaro | (as far as transfering files goes, anyway) |
| 05:04.56 | solar_ant | :) |
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| 05:07.07 | Adremelech | wols, do you know anything about postinst scripts? |
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| 05:08.33 | dondelelcaro | Adremelech: best to just ask your question |
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| 05:11.10 | Adremelech | dondelelcaro, i need to know the proper format for writing one |
| 05:11.27 | Adremelech | as it seems i didnt write mine right |
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| 05:23.27 | Adremelech | ok, so i built my deb, but when i go to install it, it says installation failed :/ |
| 05:23.33 | Adremelech | yet it shows up as installed |
| 05:27.51 | niru_ | Failed to find suitable ramdisk generation tool for kernel version |
| 05:27.51 | niru_ | 2.6.20-1-486 |
| 05:27.56 | niru_ | what does this mean |
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| 05:29.56 | dondelelcaro | Adremelech: give the full output and a place where I can download your .dsc, diff.gz and .orig.tar.gz |
| 05:30.19 | valdyn | niru_: means you should install one |
| 05:30.24 | Adremelech | dondelelcaro: do you just want to DL the deb? |
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| 05:30.34 | dondelelcaro | Adremelech: no, I want the source; don't care about the .deb |
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| 05:30.56 | niru_ | valdyn, this error I am getting when I am trying to install linux-image-2.6.20-1 |
| 05:31.10 | Adremelech | dondelelcaro: i made it from an svn of inspircd |
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| 05:32.42 | xbaez | hi i'm trying to compile my kernel to use the nvidia dirvers, i copy the config file from my stock kernel, i compile the new kernel and when i boot it give me an error message about ALERT! /dev/sda1 dows not exist , how can it be ? i thinking in is something about my SATA HD or something about my reiserfs filesystem that initrd doesn't see it |
| 05:32.43 | dondelelcaro | Adremelech: that's fine, but when you built the package, you should have built a .dsc, a .diff.gz and an orig.tar.gz; that's what I want to see. |
| 05:33.12 | Adremelech | dondelelcaro: i didnt, i just packaged the deb |
| 05:33.28 | Adremelech | although i can make a tar.gz of the source if you want |
| 05:33.50 | dondelelcaro | Adremelech: well, when you packaged it you should have created a .dsc, a .diff.gz and an orig.tar.gz; that's what dpkg-source -b makes for you, and what dpkg-buildpackage will output. |
| 05:34.08 | Adremelech | i use dpkg -b |
| 05:34.21 | dondelelcaro | uh... no |
| 05:34.49 | dondelelcaro | ugh. don't dpkg-deb directly |
| 05:34.50 | Adremelech | ? |
| 05:34.50 | dondelelcaro | !tell Adremelech -about nm guide |
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| 05:35.25 | dondelelcaro | Adremelech: read through that first, then you'll be able to understand what I'm saying. |
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| 05:35.33 | Adremelech | ok, thx |
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| 05:37.01 | dondelelcaro | np |
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| 05:38.18 | jcole | yo dudes |
| 05:38.42 | jcole | is there a way to convert open office presentations to mpg or avi |
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| 05:39.13 | dondelelcaro | jcole: if worst comes to worst you can do it by using one of the screen recording programs |
| 05:39.24 | rcbarnes | I'm trying to get artsd to stop loading (I don't need or want it, and it screws up my sound config). I can't remove it without losing kde, kde-core, etc. What do I do? |
| 05:39.33 | dondelelcaro | jcole: like istanbul or similar |
| 05:39.58 | jcole | dondelelcaro: good point, i've got my ffmpeg patched to capture X |
| 05:40.00 | psychonate | or if you can convert the slides to jpeg you can encode an mpeg with those via mencoder afaik |
| 05:40.48 | dondelelcaro | yerp; that too |
| 05:40.56 | dondelelcaro | really just depends what works |
| 05:41.32 | jcole | i've got slides with video clips and audio so the jpeg idea would not work |
| 05:42.46 | psychonate | ah |
| 05:43.00 | nhuisman_work | is there some sort of silly catch to editing the /etc/network/interfaces file? |
| 05:43.14 | dondelelcaro | rcbarnes: nope |
| 05:43.18 | nhuisman_work | i changed it from dhcp to static and now it doesn't do anything when I restart the "networking" service |
| 05:43.34 | dondelelcaro | nhuisman_work: you have to ifdown fooiface; ifup fooiface; |
| 05:43.34 | nhuisman_work | yet I can see the eth interface with ifconfig -a |
| 05:43.44 | jcole | nhuisman_work: ifdown eth0; ifup eth0 |
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| 05:43.50 | nhuisman_work | ifdown: interface eth0 not configured |
| 05:44.09 | nhuisman_work | god wtf |
| 05:44.16 | nhuisman_work | why would it stay down during boot |
| 05:44.16 | dondelelcaro | that's fine; ifup eth0; and it'll work. |
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| 05:44.36 | dondelelcaro | nhuisman_work: if it was down at boot time, then you removed the auto eth0; stanza. |
| 05:44.46 | nhuisman_work | ah, checking. |
| 05:45.17 | eat_life | is there a way to remove non-dependent / non-vital packages that are installed? |
| 05:45.26 | nhuisman_work | yeah you are right, hmm I better check the server I got this config from, since it will break when it reboots too. |
| 05:45.29 | dondelelcaro | eat_life: use aptitude and mark them as automatically installed. |
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| 05:45.45 | dondelelcaro | eat_life: then if they're no longer depended upon, they'll be removed. |
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| 05:45.58 | jcole | eat_life: apt-get autoremove? |
| 05:46.34 | niru_ | Failed to find suitable ramdisk generation tool for kernel version |
| 05:46.34 | niru_ | 2.6.20-1-486 |
| 05:46.38 | jcole | nhuisman_work: "ifconfig eth0 down" to make eth0 disappear from ifconfig |
| 05:47.16 | nhuisman_work | yeah I had copied my interfaces config from what I thought was a working config, but i hadn't rebooted that other box and didn't realize it was lacking the auto eth0 line. |
| 05:47.18 | nhuisman_work | works now. |
| 05:47.45 | dondelelcaro | niru_: that means that you don't have a new enough version of initramfs or yaird or similar. |
| 05:47.46 | slacker403 | why does bind take 3-4 mins to start up ? |
| 05:47.49 | jcole | ok, i'm dropping to 640x480, starting up ooffice fullscreen, and ffmpeg capturing... thanks all :) |
| 05:48.01 | psychonate | hmm Impress can export to macromedia flash |
| 05:48.07 | niru_ | dondelelcaro, how can I get that |
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| 05:48.13 | dondelelcaro | niru_: by installing it |
| 05:48.58 | dondelelcaro | niru_: install initramfs-tools or yaird or similar; you should have the most recent version of one of them. |
| 05:49.20 | jcole | psychonate: i might try that too |
| 05:49.23 | SiliconViper | Anyone know what I might need to convert .ape (Monkey's Audio) files to something a bit more useable (ex: FLAC)? I can't seem to find anything in the archives, and a quick Google search indicates that the format may not be Linux-friendly (officially). |
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| 05:49.40 | huhlig2 | hey dondelelcaro, you kicking around? |
| 05:49.41 | niru_ | dondelelcaro,ok let me try |
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| 05:49.48 | psychonate | jcole, not sure how well that would do with embedded videos though, especially when transcoded to mpeg |
| 05:49.54 | psychonate | beyond my limited scope of knowledge |
| 05:49.57 | jcole | SiliconViper: have you tried ffmpeg or mencoder |
| 05:50.03 | dondelelcaro | huhlig2: yerp |
| 05:50.20 | dondelelcaro | huhlig2: one of us needs to send back the contract |
| 05:50.29 | SiliconViper | jcole, ffmpeg didn't seem to like 'em, but no. I didn't try mencoder. |
| 05:50.44 | jcole | SiliconViper: what does a "file {your audio filename}" show |
| 05:51.48 | SiliconViper | "Audio file with ID3 version 23.0 tag, MP3 encoding" |
| 05:52.16 | psychonate | SiliconViper, I actually play monkey's audio (ape) files in *nix |
| 05:52.56 | psychonate | there's a plugin for xmms at least |
| 05:53.08 | psychonate | though apparently all the cool kids think xmms is antiquated |
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| 05:53.41 | SiliconViper | psychonate, really? Maybe you'd be able to offer some suggestions, then. Ideally, I'd like to use Rhythmbox or moc, and it's little hassle to transcode them to flac or something to do that. But I need a way to decode 'em. ;p |
| 05:53.43 | niru_ | dondelelcaro, I install yaird |
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| 05:54.00 | niru_ | dondelelcaro, still facing the same error |
| 05:54.04 | SiliconViper | psychonate, right, there is an xmms/beep plugin. |
| 05:54.05 | niru_ | let me paste it |
| 05:58.46 | dondelelcaro | niru_: which version of yaird do you have installed? And don't paste it here, please. |
| 05:58.49 | psychonate | SiliconViper, not sure if I ever tried to decompress 'em |
| 05:58.51 | niru_ | dondelelcaro, yup I will paste in pastebin |
| 05:58.52 | bytecolor | what package are the standard C lib man pages in, (malloc, fprintf, etc)? |
| 05:58.52 | eat_life | heh what is this! the spamassassin in stable is newer than the one in volatile ?? |
| 05:58.53 | niru_ | dondelelcaro, http://pastebin.ca/501749 |
| 05:58.53 | niru_ | dondelelcaro, 0.0.12-20 version of yaird |
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| 05:58.53 | dondelelcaro | eat_life: considering that stable has just released recently, what did you expect? |
| 05:58.53 | psychonate | SiliconViper, no prob. |
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| 05:58.54 | psychonate | SiliconViper, you can decompress to wav. |
| 05:58.56 | psychonate | SiliconViper, there's an executable called 'mac' for compressing/decompressing; lemme see if I can link you |
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| 05:59.06 | SiliconViper | psychonate, thanks. |
| 05:59.06 | psychonate | trying to remember where I got the damn thing |
| 05:59.07 | Vasistha | can mplayer play it? If so, mencoder should be able to convert to wav |
| 05:59.07 | Vasistha | if mplayer can't play it, I dunno what can :) |
| 05:59.08 | psychonate | mmm, don't think it can, but could be wrong |
| 05:59.53 | psychonate | Vasistha, there is a port to linux; just trying to find a link |
| 05:59.53 | bytecolor | ah manpages-dev, kinda obvious, eh (apt-file to the rescue) |
| 05:59.54 | dondelelcaro | niru_: then either yaird does not support that kernel, or it's not actually installed. Try installing initramfs-tools |
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| 06:01.56 | psychonate | the port project may be dead it seems :( |
| 06:02.34 | psychonate | SiliconViper, I have the tarball though. Perhaps I can email you. Dunno if my dcc works |
| 06:04.01 | psychonate | SiliconViper, nevermind. Here we go: http://public.www.planetmirror.com/pub/sf/m/ma/mac-port/mac-3.99-u4-b4.tar.gz |
| 06:04.28 | psychonate | Actually, just peruse the whole page: http://public.www.planetmirror.com/pub/sf/m/ma/mac-port/?fl=s |
| 06:04.52 | psychonate | Can I link like that in here. Or will I be burned as a heretic? |
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| 06:06.47 | `amy` | o_O |
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| 06:07.02 | shogunx | she turned me into a newt. |
| 06:07.08 | psychonate | her? she? |
| 06:07.14 | psychonate | Not I. Not me. |
| 06:07.36 | niru_ | dondelelcaro, /usr/sbin/mkinitramfs: line 14: getopt: command not found |
| 06:07.56 | shogunx | !phillysmite psychonate |
| 06:07.59 | niru_ | dondelelcaro, when I did getopt it shows that package itself is not there |
| 06:08.01 | SiliconViper | psychonate, thanks! |
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| 06:08.24 | psychonate | SiliconViper, that's source code afaik, so you'll have to compile. Thank me not yet |
| 06:08.35 | psychonate | at least the 'mac' is |
| 06:08.54 | Vasistha | niru_: Does the script start with #!/bin/bash ? |
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| 06:09.43 | niru_ | Vasistha, it starts with #!/bin/sh |
| 06:09.56 | Vasistha | niru_: ls -l /bin/sh |
| 06:10.10 | Vasistha | niru_: it should point to bash, but if it doesn't, then you won't have getopts available |
| 06:10.17 | Vasistha | or, getopt |
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| 06:10.22 | dondelelcaro | niru_: uh... surely you have util-linux installed? |
| 06:10.31 | dondelelcaro | Vasistha: doesn't matter |
| 06:10.45 | dondelelcaro | niru_: is this actually a Debian machine? |
| 06:11.18 | niru_ | dondelelcaro, yes its debian etch |
| 06:11.47 | dondelelcaro | niru_: if it's debian etch, there's no way that it wouldn't have /usr/bin/getopt |
| 06:12.21 | dondelelcaro | niru_: you've either not completely finished installing the system, or you've deleted random bits of the operating system. |
| 06:12.22 | tenzind | hi .. under what type does a gnome-theme package fall?? |
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| 06:13.07 | dondelelcaro | tenzind: what do you mean, "type"? |
| 06:14.00 | rcbarnes | Am I to understand that there's no way in Debian to get kde components without constantly loading artsd? |
| 06:14.07 | niru_ | dondelelcaro, it worked :) |
| 06:14.16 | tenzind | dondelelcaro: the "type" that dh_make askes, like single binary, library, cdbs etc. |
| 06:14.21 | niru_ | dondelelcaro, all got installed successfully:) |
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| 06:15.30 | psychonate | SiliconViper, did it work for you? |
| 06:15.34 | dondelelcaro | rcbarnes: you can just remove it; the only thing that depends upon it is kde-core, which is just a metapackage. |
| 06:15.45 | dondelelcaro | rcbarnes: removing kde and kde-core is no big deal, so long as you keep the rest. |
| 06:16.14 | dondelelcaro | tenzind: that'd be single binary |
| 06:16.35 | tenzind | dondelelcaro: thank you |
| 06:16.41 | rcbarnes | dondelelcaro: Hm. That makes me nervous---but only because I'm still adapting to Debian |
| 06:16.58 | dondelelcaro | rcbarnes: well, the easiest way to see what would happen is to use aptitude |
| 06:17.34 | rcbarnes | dondelelcaro: hm. I keep defaulting to apt-get. I should break that habit, eh? |
| 06:17.58 | dondelelcaro | rcbarnes: just remove arts, and hit + on all the dependencies of kde besides kde-core, and all of the dependencies of kde-core besides arts. |
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| 06:18.25 | dondelelcaro | rcbarnes: yes; libapt is a great library, but apt-get is no match for aptitude (which uses libapt) |
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| 06:19.27 | SiliconViper | psychonate, it's downloaded. I haven't unpacked it yet, but I don't expect I'll have many problems. Thanks again. |
| 06:19.56 | psychonate | npgl |
| 06:21.46 | Vasistha | SiliconViper: you might want to debianize it with dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 06:23.18 | SiliconViper | Vasistha, I usually use checkinstall, though that would work too. |
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| 06:25.01 | shadow_ | can i use the business card iso to install unstable? |
| 06:25.42 | Vasistha | shadow_: you can use it to install stable, and if you're masochistic or a debian expert, then you can upgrade to unstable |
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| 06:26.09 | nevyn | Vasistha: arn't they the same thing? |
| 06:26.31 | sep | is it possible to know the ate/time a process started ? |
| 06:26.41 | Vasistha | nevyn: there are definitely masochists who are not debian experts ;) dunno about the other side |
| 06:26.55 | nevyn | heh |
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| 06:37.22 | shadow_ | looks like you can choose to install "unstable" if you choose expert at boot :D |
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| 06:40.29 | dustin | hello |
| 06:40.45 | shadow_ | hey |
| 06:42.29 | dustin | I just downloaded the new debian etch does it run well on a pentium 3 550mhz with about 256m ram |
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| 06:42.49 | Vasistha | dustin: I'm running it on a PII/333 with 192 ;) running kde, too |
| 06:43.24 | PumpkinPie | I have debian on a 386 with 16 mb ram |
| 06:43.52 | Vasistha | PumpkinPie: etch?? |
| 06:45.40 | nvz | how to I get an inverted question mark? |
| 06:45.41 | Vasistha | nvz: buy a spanish keyboard? :D look for a charselect app, maybe. I'm pretty sure there's a kcharselect or something, there may be a more generic x one, too. |
| 06:45.41 | nvz | bah |
| 06:45.43 | Vasistha | nvz: ¿ |
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| 06:45.53 | aiss | Hello Guys! |
| 06:45.57 | Vasistha | (did that come through?) |
| 06:46.25 | aiss | can anybody help with my Debian 4.0 |
| 06:46.25 | Vasistha | !ask |
| 06:46.25 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 06:46.39 | aiss | I am tryning to connect to my debian machine with my windows |
| 06:46.55 | aiss | but when I press root user & pass I cant login |
| 06:47.26 | Vasistha | aiss: have you tried logging in as a normal user (non-root)? |
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| 06:48.02 | aiss | yes |
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| 06:48.24 | shadow_ | sounds like its set to block root connections.. if you can login as a normal user you should be able to use "su" or "sudo <command>" |
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| 06:49.37 | aiss | okay, I use \\IP\path from my windows to connect |
| 06:49.58 | aiss | and I get login box |
| 06:50.04 | mkl1525 | Hi, is there a way to execute commands after kde/x has startet? want to set "xset b off" and the power mode of my ati card |
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| 06:50.43 | Vasistha | mkl1525: check out ~/.kde/Autostart |
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| 06:52.50 | aiss | But I cant still login in |
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| 06:53.13 | shadow_ | i've never logged into a linux box that way |
| 06:53.37 | aiss | but it is possible |
| 06:53.45 | aiss | I can explain my problem |
| 06:53.47 | shadow_ | yea, i think samba does that |
| 06:53.51 | Vasistha | aiss: huh? alright, it sounds like what you are trying to do is to access a samba share. |
| 06:54.01 | mkl1525 | Vasistha, thanks will have a look |
| 06:54.02 | Vasistha | aiss: have you set up samba shares on the linux box? |
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| 06:54.55 | aiss | okay, no |
| 06:55.00 | Vasistha | mkl1525: there may be a better way to do it (e.g. I'm not sure if the normal user has access rights to the ati power mode, although I'm pretty sure the normal user can execute xset) |
| 06:55.01 | aiss | my problem is |
| 06:55.06 | Vasistha | !enter |
| 06:55.07 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. (Remember, the less you annoy us, the more help you're likely to get.) |
| 06:56.22 | scx | !anykey |
| 06:56.48 | aiss | I have apache2 on my Debian machine (RUNNING RT), my idea is to redirect IIS on my windows to Rt |
| 06:57.03 | mkl1525 | Vasistha, normal user kann set the power mode using aticonfig |
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| 06:59.42 | Vasistha | aiss: well, I don't really know what RT is ... uhm, I'll look |
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| 07:01.55 | nevyn | Request tracker |
| 07:02.00 | nevyn | it's like a really simple ticket tracking system |
| 07:03.14 | dustin | what do you do to upgrade from sarge to etch |
| 07:03.15 | Vasistha | !tell dustin -about sarge->etch |
| 07:03.16 | Vasistha | aiss: can you access RT through a web browser? |
| 07:03.16 | scx | dustin: dist-upgrade |
| 07:03.17 | Vasistha | !sarge->etch |
| 07:03.17 | dpkg | i guess sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the release notes. also ask me about <security> |
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| 07:03.42 | aiss | no, because my apache2 only running with internal IP |
| 07:03.43 | Vasistha | note in particular ``is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade"'' |
| 07:04.04 | aiss | my IIS have public IP |
| 07:04.22 | Vasistha | aiss: can you access RT through a web browser on the iis server? |
| 07:05.04 | aiss | I can access my debian with the internal IP also http://IP |
| 07:05.26 | Vasistha | aiss: honestly, this sounds like an IIS question. |
| 07:06.01 | dimir | Moin! |
| 07:06.19 | aiss | yes, but the first problem is how to connect my debian with the \\IP\path |
| 07:06.28 | nevyn | Vasistha: he wants to do some iis proxy foo to enable external access.. it's exciting |
| 07:06.32 | aiss | also whic username shoul I use |
| 07:06.42 | aiss | root dosent work |
| 07:06.47 | nevyn | aiss: lookup iis as a frontend proxy |
| 07:06.56 | nevyn | aiss: the RT and debian bit is working |
| 07:07.21 | nevyn | look it's evil but you work with what you've got. |
| 07:07.35 | cafuego | Not so much evil as "doesn't work as advertised" |
| 07:08.22 | cafuego | aiss: If at all possible turn the apache into the proxy and make it forward to IIS if required. |
| 07:08.30 | cafuego | *way* easier |
| 07:08.39 | cafuego | And actually works |
| 07:08.54 | aiss | How can I do that? I am running RT on my apache2 |
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| 07:09.32 | cafuego | aiss: apache2 has a mod_proxy module. You can define vhosts that get proxied to other servers based on the Host: header content. |
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| 07:11.32 | aiss | okay, Can you help me step by step? |
| 07:11.38 | cafuego | Specifically with the ProxyPass and ProxyPassReverse directives. |
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| 07:12.04 | cafuego | I can paste a sample config for apache if that helps |
| 07:12.12 | aiss | yes, please |
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| 07:12.40 | nevyn | aiss: be aware that cafuego is proposing that you restructure your network. |
| 07:12.53 | nevyn | aiss: do you have a gateway router device? |
| 07:13.04 | slacker403 | anyone here have bind installed ? |
| 07:13.05 | nevyn | that you forward port 80 to or is it actually internet facing? |
| 07:13.10 | Vasistha | !anyone use bind |
| 07:13.11 | dpkg | No, no one uses bind, not even the people who use it. |
| 07:13.12 | aiss | I have firewall & |
| 07:13.16 | nevyn | slacker403: not currently...... |
| 07:13.17 | aiss | Hardware |
| 07:13.19 | slacker403 | well |
| 07:13.32 | Vasistha | slacker403: just ask your question |
| 07:13.34 | slacker403 | why is it taking 3-4 mins to start on my machine ? |
| 07:13.39 | nevyn | aiss: you didn't answer my question |
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| 07:13.41 | slacker403 | it works after that 3-4 mins |
| 07:13.55 | nevyn | how many zones do you have.. |
| 07:13.56 | aiss | yes, I have gateway router |
| 07:14.00 | nevyn | what do the logs say? |
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| 07:14.24 | nevyn | aiss: so the iis box is just in a dmz or is directed port 80 or suck right? |
| 07:14.38 | Vasistha | s/suck/such/ |
| 07:14.54 | nevyn | thanks |
| 07:14.54 | slacker403 | i dont have any zones i was just trying to start it |
| 07:14.59 | slacker403 | which it does |
| 07:15.02 | slacker403 | after like 3 mns |
| 07:15.28 | nevyn | slacker403: it'll ship with zones |
| 07:15.28 | slacker403 | o |
| 07:15.28 | cafuego | aiss: http://www.pastebin.ca/501836 |
| 07:15.35 | slacker403 | well 3-4 mins seeems like a long time |
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| 07:15.38 | aiss | yes, my IIS is on my dmz and it have own public IP |
| 07:15.44 | slacker403 | last time i had bind installed it was like instant |
| 07:15.57 | cafuego | nevyn: Even then, bump IIS to port 8080 and run apache2 on port 80 on same box ;-) |
| 07:16.14 | kth``laptop | "/usr/sbin/prelink.bin: /usr/lib/klibc/bin/dd: Using /lib/klibc-rOj3PRLKBA9FcF5ZuoqKQLmOWcA.so, not /lib/ld-linux.so.2 as dynamic linker" <- Can someone give a clue on what that file is? (prelink output) |
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| 07:16.48 | nevyn | slacker403: how much ram do you have on what sortof system? |
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| 07:16.54 | slacker403 | lol |
| 07:16.58 | Vasistha | kth``laptop: interesting, I have it, too :) |
| 07:16.59 | slacker403 | its like 3 ghz |
| 07:17.00 | slacker403 | 4 GB |
| 07:17.04 | nevyn | hrm |
| 07:17.15 | nevyn | what's the log say? |
| 07:17.36 | cafuego | nevyn: ignoring the project deadline for a day? ;-) |
| 07:17.38 | slacker403 | havent checked |
| 07:18.03 | nevyn | cafuego: cisco can bite me. |
| 07:18.09 | cafuego | hehehe |
| 07:18.10 | Vasistha | kth``laptop: I wonder if klibc refers to "kernel's libc" or some such -- so it's linking in a way similar to the way the kernel was linked |
| 07:18.13 | nevyn | cisco and vmware and hp |
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| 07:18.44 | nevyn | Vasistha: it does |
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| 07:19.54 | cafuego | aiss: http://www.pastebin.ca/501840 is more correct, just in case. |
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| 07:22.09 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 07:22.09 | dpkg | from memory, qotd168 is <Maulkin> *mumble*raid0-isn't-raid*mumble* * resiak removes two of Maulkin's chair's legs. "It's okay, because they were in a redundant array!" |
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| 07:23.08 | osio | hallo |
| 07:23.31 | tralala | osio, welcome |
| 07:23.40 | osio | thanx for the welcome |
| 07:25.04 | scx | osio: youre wellcome |
| 07:25.19 | Vasistha | tick, tock, tick, tock, tick, tock |
| 07:25.47 | osio | i have to install libc6-dev but it needs libc6 2.3.6 and 2.5.7 is installed |
| 07:25.54 | osio | what do i do? |
| 07:26.01 | Vasistha | scx: GGOOOOOOOOONNNNNNGGG |
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| 07:26.10 | tralala | osio, you install 2.5.7-dev |
| 07:26.32 | osio | but libc6-dev whats 2.3.6 explicit |
| 07:26.36 | Vasistha | osio: what version of debian are you using? |
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| 07:26.48 | osio | etch |
| 07:27.05 | Vasistha | !info libc6 |
| 07:27.07 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.5-7 (sid), Packaged size: 4445 kB, Installed size: 10640 kB |
| 07:27.18 | tralala | osio, and how come you have libc 2.5-7 installed? |
| 07:27.48 | osio | downloaded it from the lighttpd site before installing lighttpd |
| 07:28.17 | Vasistha | osio: and is there some reason you didn't just use the official stable debian package of lighttpd ? |
| 07:28.23 | cydork | osio: why not just install debian package? |
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| 07:29.16 | niru_ | hi all |
| 07:29.23 | osio | i installed the deb version from lighttpd |
| 07:29.30 | osio | downloaded it somewhere |
| 07:29.31 | niru_ | I have a .xpm image |
| 07:29.42 | niru_ | I want to put that as the splash image |
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| 07:30.00 | Vasistha | osio: why didn't you install it with apt-get ? Because it sounds like you want to break your debian system, if you're downloading stuff from other sources. |
| 07:30.25 | osio | this seems true |
| 07:30.32 | niru_ | What I did is copied that image to /boot/grub/splashimages folder |
| 07:30.47 | osio | how do i deinstall the .deb |
| 07:30.52 | tralala | osio, okay - here's what you'll do - downgrade libc6 and install lighttpd from debian |
| 07:30.57 | niru_ | then gave splashimage=(hd0,1)/boot/grub/splashimages/<>.xpm |
| 07:31.05 | osio | how do i downgrade |
| 07:31.12 | niru_ | but still I dont see the spash image at boot time |
| 07:31.18 | tralala | osio, the easiest way is by using the curses interface of aptitude |
| 07:31.28 | Vasistha | osio: well, first of all, before you do anything, be aware that you need to be *extremely careful* downgrading libc6 |
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| 07:32.34 | Vasistha | osio: but yeah, the aptitude front-end is probably the way to go, as tralala suggested |
| 07:32.45 | cydork | !libc6 |
| 07:32.45 | dpkg | well, libc6 is the GNU C library version 2, which Debian uses since 2.0. Do not try to downgrade it. It is a essential component of your Debian system, and we are not responsible if it breaks. |
| 07:32.58 | cydork | osio: ^^ |
| 07:33.12 | tralala | cydork, that's hardly relevant in his case |
| 07:33.20 | osio | but it runs with a version prior 2.5 |
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| 07:33.31 | cydork | tralala: he has libc6 from sid right? |
| 07:33.34 | osio | so downgrade is not bad |
| 07:33.45 | niru_ | Vasistha, any idea |
| 07:33.46 | osio | its a dev system with no live site |
| 07:33.58 | bonez39 | how does one test a dvd drive...? are there any utilities/applets...to stress test a drive...to revive it? |
| 07:34.02 | tralala | cydork, I'm not so sure - he said he downloaded it from lighttpd's site |
| 07:34.42 | Vasistha | niru_: your file is names "<>.xpm" ??? |
| 07:34.46 | tralala | he also says he's running etch so downgrade to etch's libc shouldn't be a problem |
| 07:34.46 | Vasistha | *named |
| 07:35.14 | osio | how do the downgrade? |
| 07:35.21 | osio | command please |
| 07:35.24 | niru_ | Vasistha, yup its like CRW_7206_14.xpm.gz |
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| 07:35.28 | Vasistha | osio: ''aptitude'' |
| 07:35.32 | tralala | osio, as root launch aptitude and read the help |
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| 07:35.53 | osio | right |
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| 07:36.11 | cydork | osio: do this dpkg -l libc6|tail -1 |
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| 07:38.51 | niru_ | Vasistha, ??? |
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| 07:39.12 | Vasistha | niru_: why are you asking me? I haven't a clue. |
| 07:39.16 | magic_pinguim | Hello :) |
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| 07:41.38 | Vasistha | niru_: hum, my old mepis boot had a grub splash, and the path doesn't specify a device/partition -- just /boot/grub/whatever.xpm.gz ... it may be that you need to have the proper root set, that you can't specify device/partition on that line |
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| 07:42.13 | cydork | niru_: you patched the kernel? or using any userspace utility? |
| 07:42.36 | niru_ | I did not patch the kernel cydork |
| 07:42.56 | cydork | niru_: then what are you using? |
| 07:43.18 | niru_ | cydork, what do u mean by userspace utiltiy |
| 07:43.38 | Vasistha | cydork: I think he's trying to do a grub splash, which, afaik, should not be related to the kernel |
| 07:43.43 | niru_ | cydork, I put that image in /boot/grub/ |
| 07:43.56 | niru_ | and mention the path of the image in menu.list |
| 07:44.06 | cydork | niru_: you want grub splash? or boot splash? |
| 07:44.09 | niru_ | Vasistha, yup |
| 07:44.18 | niru_ | cydork, boot splash |
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| 07:44.41 | Vasistha | niru_: did you just contradict yourself?? |
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| 07:45.04 | niru_ | Vasistha, I mentioned boot splash |
| 07:45.30 | Vasistha | niru_: okay, let's get this figured out. When/where do you want to see this splash image? |
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| 07:45.49 | niru_ | Vasistha, but the method that I am followed is for grub splash |
| 07:45.57 | niru_ | Vasistha, I got confused |
| 07:46.02 | Xires | is there a guide specifically for building Debian-proper kernel packages? |
| 07:46.06 | Vasistha | !wayttd niru_ |
| 07:46.07 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, niru_? |
| 07:46.13 | cydork | Xires: /msg dpkg kernel-package |
| 07:46.18 | Vasistha | !kp mantra |
| 07:46.19 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. Add MAKEFLAGS="HOSTCC=gcc-3.3 CC=gcc-3.3" before each command if you're building an older kernel |
| 07:46.40 | niru_ | Vasistha, I want the splash image to come after the grub scrren |
| 07:47.00 | Xires | Vasistha; that works for customized configurations and new kernels too? |
| 07:47.09 | Vasistha | niru_: *after* the grub screen -- meaning, when the kernel is loaded, and when your debian system is booting and spewing all sorts of status messages, etc. |
| 07:47.09 | Xires | cydork; ty |
| 07:47.12 | scx | niru_: not sure you can use xpm tho |
| 07:47.24 | niru_ | Vasistha, exactly |
| 07:47.52 | Vasistha | niru_: you need to patch the kernel for that. I've never bothered, myself :P |
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| 07:48.32 | Xires | niru_; if you're wanting a 'splash' after grub selection..you might be looking for splashy or usplash..just a guess though |
| 07:48.37 | cydork | niru_: or you have to use usplash or splashy(i don't know the status of this project though) |
| 07:48.43 | niru_ | Or else Vasistha I think I can create a package for that image and add it to my reposiory |
| 07:48.59 | niru_ | Xires, yes |
| 07:49.04 | Vasistha | niru_: yes, the method you followed is for grub. Whether you followed it correctly is still unknown. Are you saying you want a grub splash as well? |
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| 07:49.22 | niru_ | Vasistha, no |
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| 07:49.44 | Vasistha | niru_: oops, I'm sorry, my scroller got messed up, I was responding to something you said earlier :P |
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| 07:50.04 | scx | niru_: download an splash theme from: http://kde-look.org |
| 07:50.13 | niru_ | scx, ok |
| 07:50.15 | scx | then cusomize it |
| 07:50.50 | scx | niru_: it is very simple and then mkinitrd -i 1024x768 |
| 07:51.09 | niru_ | scx, mkinitrd to be given where? |
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| 07:51.12 | IronMaiden | hi |
| 07:51.13 | scx | oops: -s |
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| 07:51.33 | IronMaiden | kann it be of harm to apt-remove xscreensaver |
| 07:51.39 | IronMaiden | get |
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| 07:52.31 | scx | niru_: you'll put the theme in /etc/bootsplash (maybe) then just run mkinitrd -s (your screen size) |
| 07:52.58 | Vasistha | IronMaiden: I don't think so. if it tries to remove any other packages that depend upon it, it should warn you. |
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| 07:53.02 | scx | IronMaiden: not by itself I guess |
| 07:53.33 | IronMaiden | thanx |
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| 07:53.49 | Vasistha | scx: isn't it necessary to also patch the kernel, or do debian stock kernels come with a bootsplash patch included? |
| 07:53.55 | musya | how can i check how much harddrive space i have? |
| 07:53.58 | musya | lef |
| 07:54.01 | musya | left* |
| 07:54.04 | tarzeau | musya: df -h ? |
| 07:54.05 | Vasistha | df |
| 07:54.39 | musya | ok |
| 07:54.39 | musya | thanks |
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| 07:54.55 | scx | Vasistha: mmm good question... |
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| 07:55.08 | scx | I haven't used Debian for like 2yrs and will install Etch tomorrow |
| 07:55.18 | scx | not sure |
| 07:55.34 | Vasistha | scx: what have you been using? |
| 07:55.47 | scx | Vasistha: just suse |
| 07:56.04 | musya | scx: how did you like it? |
| 07:56.16 | scx | don't start it |
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| 07:56.22 | musya | why not? |
| 07:56.24 | scx | I like both |
| 07:56.35 | musya | hows development on it? |
| 07:56.50 | scx | for different reasons and different things, I like 'em both the same . |
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| 07:57.01 | musya | hmm |
| 07:57.04 | musya | ok |
| 07:57.10 | musya | thanks |
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| 07:58.33 | scx | Vasistha: You see with dial up it is pretty hard to even install |
| 07:59.00 | Vasistha | scx: maybe you should mail-order the 3 dvd's? |
| 07:59.19 | scx | Vasistha: I did once but the cd's were modified! |
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| 07:59.36 | maxamillion | is it true that testing branch now recieves security updates? |
| 07:59.47 | Vasistha | scx: wtf?! that sucks! Sounds like you need to find a better vendor :P |
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| 07:59.55 | scx | Vasistha: now I just paid a guy 8 bucks to download me the cd's |
| 08:00.00 | scx | :) |
| 08:00.25 | streuner | maxamillion: /msg dpkg etch security |
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| 08:00.36 | Vasistha | scx: heh, 18 cd's reminds me of the days when floppies were getting extremely numerous, before cd-roms were universal |
| 08:00.40 | maxamillion | streuner: thanks |
| 08:00.57 | maxamillion | streuner: wait ... etch is stable, i asked about testing |
| 08:01.06 | streuner | maxamillion: yeah |
| 08:01.09 | cydork | Vasistha: no debian kernel doesn't come with bootsplash, but there is a package for that. |
| 08:01.16 | Vasistha | maxamillion: yeah, the factoids need to be updated :P |
| 08:01.17 | scx | I meant dvd |
| 08:01.28 | Vasistha | cydork: one would need to recompile the kernel, correct? |
| 08:01.30 | maxamillion | lol, ok |
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| 08:01.51 | cydork | Vasistha: yep. or you have use usplash or splashy |
| 08:02.09 | maxamillion | streuner: so that is a "yes" that testing now gets security updates? |
| 08:02.11 | Vasistha | niru_ ... damn, he's gone. oh well. |
| 08:02.25 | streuner | maxamillion: yes, just s/etch/lenny ;-) |
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| 08:02.51 | maxamillion | streuner: just to clarify ... since its talking about etch, i thought it was just a temp thing for the end of etch's testing cycle but i was just told it was perminant, wanted to verify ... thank you :) |
| 08:03.07 | Vasistha | heh, damn, the fact that http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/ hasn't been updated in a year doesn't exactly imbue confidence |
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| 08:04.26 | yang | Does "updatedb" automatically runs ? I see the file /var/cache/locate/updatedb updated ? |
| 08:04.30 | maxamillion | Vasistha: lol |
| 08:04.35 | aiss | Hello I have some really big problem. |
| 08:04.49 | aiss | after updating my debian my apache2 dosent RUN |
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| 08:05.14 | filipe__ | yang it's quite likley you can check around crontabs |
| 08:05.24 | aiss | look here http://paste.debian.net/28540 |
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| 08:05.54 | filipe__ | aiss what version? |
| 08:06.00 | filipe__ | of debian i mean |
| 08:06.07 | aiss | Debian 4.0 adn apache2 |
| 08:06.10 | aiss | and |
| 08:06.26 | aiss | everything did run before update :-( |
| 08:06.34 | bwlang | i have to machines with gigabit ethernet cards... when i increase the frame size from 1024 no data goes through... (etch) any idea what might be wrong? |
| 08:06.39 | filipe__ | Did the apache server really die? |
| 08:06.50 | bwlang | they're connected via cross cable (no switch) |
| 08:06.51 | aiss | I cant start it |
| 08:06.52 | filipe__ | aiss make sure you kill apache well dead and then start it |
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| 08:06.55 | aiss | look here http://paste.debian.net/28540 |
| 08:06.56 | streuner | dpkg, testing security =~ s/etch/lenny/ |
| 08:06.56 | dpkg | OK, streuner |
| 08:06.59 | filipe__ | aiss i saw |
| 08:07.04 | aiss | how can I kill it ? |
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| 08:07.09 | aiss | ok |
| 08:07.20 | filipe__ | aiss just ps -aux |grep httpd or whatever the process is called |
| 08:07.26 | aiss | I tryed to restart |
| 08:07.45 | scx | filipe__: http://rafb.net/p/vYGCPa68.html |
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| 08:07.49 | filipe__ | aiss i saw, but sometimes it doesn't work |
| 08:08.03 | scx | apache is not dead but Ed is dead |
| 08:08.03 | filipe__ | aiss for a variety of reasons |
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| 08:08.18 | jm|work | Zed's dead. |
| 08:08.18 | aiss | okay, I hate these updates! |
| 08:08.58 | aiss | filipe_ I will try |
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| 08:09.28 | amerej | if i compile 2.6.20 will it work on my etch stable ? |
| 08:09.49 | Knight_Lord | amerej if you compile it well yes |
| 08:09.50 | Vasistha | jm|work: here's the thing, though -- I had the distinct impression that Zed was ... uhm, not going to be let go with a, uhm, quick & painless death -- was he really dead when the line was said? :) |
| 08:10.18 | streuner | amerej: there are backports for (/msg dpkg backports) |
| 08:10.20 | themill | amerej: 2.6.20 from sid works on etch quite nicely (although you will have troubles compiling extra modules) |
| 08:10.21 | cydork | amerej: or you can get it from backports |
| 08:10.44 | jm|work | I think it was a "to all extents and purposes, particularly referring to the requirement of this Chopper: Zed's dead." |
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| 08:10.56 | jm|work | but that's a bit verbose for Tarrantino |
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| 08:11.08 | Vasistha | jm|work: hehe, yeah -- and the line certainly was good :) |
| 08:11.45 | amerej | themill: im gonna need to apply some driver patches (like hostap) do you think i'll have trouble with that ? |
| 08:12.00 | jm|work | but you're right Marcellus was, if my memory serves me right, going to "get medieval on his ass". |
| 08:12.26 | Vasistha | jm|work: yeah, I certainly remember more details than that, but wouldn't care to repeat them in-channel |
| 08:12.46 | jm|work | . o O ( pipes, pliers, blowtorch ) |
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| 08:16.19 | aiss | It dosent work that command |
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| 08:17.18 | Vasistha | !doesn't work |
| 08:17.18 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
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| 08:18.20 | streuner | aiss: -vvv |
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| 08:18.38 | aiss | whats that? |
| 08:18.47 | aiss | oh man this is very big problem for me :-( |
| 08:19.03 | anapivirtua | Hi world |
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| 08:19.56 | jhiver | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:20.00 | liable | you fail your first irc comment. its *hello* |
| 08:20.05 | liable | :) |
| 08:20.09 | streuner | aiss: what does 'ps aux | grep apache' say? |
| 08:20.22 | Vasistha | jhiver: check out freedos; you can get an image and use dd to format the floppy |
| 08:20.25 | bytecolor | jhiver, there is freedos |
| 08:20.25 | streuner | jhiver: yes |
| 08:20.38 | streuner | !find freedos |
| 08:20.40 | dpkg | dosemu-freedos: (FreeDOS package for DOSEMU), section contrib/otherosfs, is optional. Version: 1:0.0.b9r5a-3 (sid), Packaged size: 1121 kB, Installed size: 3364 kB |
| 08:20.53 | Vasistha | jhiver: why you would want dos rather than, e.g., tom's root boot, I'll never know, but ... there ya go. |
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| 08:22.05 | jm|work | jhiver: kinda |
| 08:22.32 | jm|work | jhiver: you can download DOS boot disks from somewhere like bootdisks.com or whatever it's called then use dd to write the image to a floppy |
| 08:23.07 | jm|work | http://www.bootdisk.com/ |
| 08:23.30 | scx | what's a floppy ? |
| 08:23.33 | jhiver | thx =) |
| 08:23.55 | aiss | I Found the problem! |
| 08:24.05 | streuner | !congratulate aiss |
| 08:24.05 | dpkg | Woohoo aiss, you did it! |
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| 08:24.14 | jm|work | scx: when it's not hard |
| 08:24.15 | aiss | the problem was that apache was running |
| 08:24.22 | streuner | heh |
| 08:24.25 | aiss | I use apache2. :-) |
| 08:24.34 | scx | jm|work: o.O |
| 08:24.38 | aiss | therefore I couldnt start apache2 |
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| 08:24.49 | karsten | jm|work: y'know, I was thinking along the lines of "something you're very familiar with". |
| 08:24.51 | streuner | hehe, that makes sense then :-) |
| 08:25.02 | test | how can i tell if a kernel module was indeed loaded with the option i specified |
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| 08:25.06 | karsten | jhiver: freedos is your best bet. |
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| 08:25.11 | karsten | test: lsmod |
| 08:25.29 | test | karsten, what should i see |
| 08:25.31 | jm|work | karsten: that might have been funnier |
| 08:25.51 | test | i only see the modules no optins |
| 08:25.57 | test | options |
| 08:26.09 | karsten | test: What options? IO/IRQ? |
| 08:26.22 | karsten | test: They should show up IIRC in /proc/ioports and /proc/interrupts |
| 08:26.34 | test | nO , oPTIONS , like model=blat |
| 08:26.45 | liable | modinfo? |
| 08:26.45 | karsten | test: Hrm. Maybe dmesg. |
| 08:26.47 | test | modprobe snd-driver model=foobar |
| 08:27.31 | liable | though i think it only shows available parameters |
| 08:27.49 | test | yes |
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| 08:30.36 | tarzeau | say i have somestring_somemore_something and i want to sed it to somestring_somemore -- how? |
| 08:30.55 | tarzeau | basically remove the last part starting with _ |
| 08:31.27 | cast | could use cut and specify _ as field delimiter |
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| 08:36.17 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 08:36.17 | dpkg | <gomba> Can anyone help me to solve a light mounting problem? <sussudio> gomba: you turn the bulb |
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| 08:39.36 | amerej | is it possible to use old kernel module on a new one or is it going to break the kernel ? |
| 08:39.46 | streuner_ | no |
| 08:40.00 | ubuntubeginz | hei, guys can anyone recommend a simple .deb program, i want to install it in ubuntu..thanks |
| 08:40.05 | streuner_ | just compile this module new |
| 08:40.24 | amerej | tulip module used to work fine with my network interface with woody but now it doesn't work :/ |
| 08:40.29 | xand | ubuntubeginz: wrong channel |
| 08:40.41 | xand | ubuntubeginz: please /join #ubuntu |
| 08:41.07 | hark | ubuntuendz ;) |
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| 08:41.15 | amerej | streuner you mean comple the old version of the module ? |
| 08:42.02 | ubuntubeginz | xand: but i am just asking for some example of software in *.deb format... anyone got any recommendations.. |
| 08:42.05 | Vasistha | tarzeau: where is your string, in a text file? stored in a bash variable? |
| 08:42.18 | Vasistha | !tell ubuntubeginz -about pdo |
| 08:42.21 | xand | ubuntubeginz: we don't support ubuntu in here |
| 08:42.22 | scx | ubuntubeginz: that's silly |
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| 08:42.40 | xand | ubuntubeginz: debian software may not be in noobuntu |
| 08:42.44 | hark | ubuntubeginz: /var/cache/apt/archives/ :) |
| 08:42.49 | xand | sorry, ubuntu |
| 08:42.57 | scx | I suggest changing pdo is spanish it means fart |
| 08:43.15 | liable | how do you pronounce it? |
| 08:43.23 | scx | eh... yes |
| 08:43.44 | liable | pffft? |
| 08:43.54 | tarzeau | Vasistha: i fixed it another way, thanks |
| 08:43.54 | hark | packagesdotdebiandotorg |
| 08:43.57 | scx | liable: it depends on the chair |
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| 08:45.10 | ubuntubeginz | Oh seems like a lot of hostility here... :| ..... hark: btw i cudnt find any in the directory u specified...thanks anyway |
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| 08:46.02 | hark | ubuntubeginz: packages.ubuntu.com maybe? |
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| 08:47.33 | wols | ubuntubeginz: dpkg is a debian program. apt-get is |
| 08:47.59 | niru_ | I installed splashy |
| 08:48.10 | scx | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:48.14 | niru_ | when i did splashy test in terminal I am able to see the splash |
| 08:48.25 | niru_ | but when booting I am unable to find it |
| 08:48.41 | scx | niru_: you need to add it to the boot |
| 08:48.44 | ubuntubeginz | wols,hark: actually wat i am asking ,,, is can any of guys recommend any software which is in *.deb format* ... |
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| 08:49.07 | scx | niru_: runlevel |
| 08:49.20 | niru_ | scx, how |
| 08:49.23 | liable | all of debians software is in .deb format. so is ubuntu's |
| 08:49.25 | hark | niru_: /usr/share/doc/splashy |
| 08:49.30 | sep | ubuntubeginz, _ALL_ the software in ubuntu, and debian is available ni .deb packages. what you ask is silly |
| 08:49.42 | scx | ubuntubeginz: there is lots of software, what you say is simply silly |
| 08:49.55 | niru_ | scx, u mean to /boot/grub/menu.list |
| 08:50.03 | scx | niru_: no |
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| 08:50.34 | sep | ubuntubeginz, if you just want a random packagename you can look at http://debaday.debian.net |
| 08:50.44 | ubuntubeginz | scx: cos i have been just doing apt-get install ...all these times...so i wasnt really sure... |
| 08:50.44 | scx | niru_: I am not sure about splashy but it has to work the same way splash does, so you have to add an entry in the runlevel |
| 08:51.24 | sep | ubuntubeginz, if you want a list to choose from run aptitude search ^ |
| 08:51.41 | scx | niru_: isn't there an entry under /etc/init.d/ |
| 08:51.43 | scx | ? |
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| 08:52.20 | ubuntubeginz | sep: i think this link is gud.... i will check it here... thanks guys at debian channel... :) |
| 08:52.24 | niru_ | scx, its there |
| 08:52.43 | sep | ubuntubeginz, just dont mix debian .deb's on your ubuntu machine, it will break for sure. |
| 08:52.48 | scx | niru_: now just add it to the runlevel... 1 maybe? |
| 08:52.58 | sep | ubuntubeginz, and everything we tell you might be wrong since your on ubuntu and not on debian |
| 08:53.37 | ubuntubeginz | sep: i was thinking, ubuntu was just a subset of debian... |
| 08:54.33 | sep | ubuntubeginz, but they have recompiled debians' source packages and they tweak some |
| 08:54.33 | ubuntubeginz | sep: anyway it is onli developement machine..so really doesnt matter.. :D |
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| 08:55.06 | niru_ | scx, I got it |
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| 09:10.23 | rpc | hello folks |
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| 09:12.57 | rpc | i'm making changes to a box - i got sda and sdb in there. sda is the system drive while sdb is empty and non-partitioned. is it possible to swap system drive? so i have my sdb as boot drive and sda will become a "slave" |
| 09:13.33 | rpc | i would like to keep the sda setup though - in fact having two different systems which i would like to choose from on boot.. does it make sense and is this possible? |
| 09:16.30 | liable | rpc: you want to keep hdb as the slave? |
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| 09:16.45 | liable | oh, nm |
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| 09:17.08 | liable | rpc: just copy it all over, change fstab and grub, swap drives, boot |
| 09:17.33 | liable | oh, you wouldnt even need to change grub and fstab actually |
| 09:17.50 | liable | you would on hda, if you want it to boot when its hdb.. |
| 09:18.00 | liable | if thats confusing enough |
| 09:19.57 | rpc | liable hm |
| 09:20.20 | rpc | i don't even need to physically swap them |
| 09:20.29 | liable | no |
| 09:20.45 | rpc | all i really need is to install a 2nd debian on sdb and tell it to boot instead of the sda one |
| 09:21.14 | liable | bios looks after that, or you can chainload grub |
| 09:21.21 | rpc | hm |
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| 09:22.28 | rpc | how about if i just boot off debian install and tell it to use sdb, partition it and all that |
| 09:22.45 | rpc | then i end up with booting sdb, right? |
| 09:22.49 | liable | sure |
| 09:23.03 | liable | rpc: but you need to tell bios to boot hdb |
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| 09:23.04 | rpc | and if make a copy of my current bootloader setup.. i could edit it later |
| 09:23.09 | rpc | oh hm. |
| 09:23.20 | rpc | damn not good as i can't access that machine physically |
| 09:23.20 | liable | unless you chainload grub |
| 09:23.28 | rpc | so chainloading.. never tried that |
| 09:23.37 | rpc | you mean like a bouncer :) |
| 09:23.51 | rpc | to use sda one only to 'redirect' to sdb one? |
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| 09:24.10 | liable | rpc: hda boots, grub loads, grub has hdb in options, hands over to grub on hdb, choose kernel, boot :) |
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| 09:24.23 | rpc | sounds like fun :) |
| 09:24.41 | rpc | but then is it possible to clean sda? |
| 09:24.52 | liable | delete it? |
| 09:24.54 | rpc | assuming that i keep the boot partition on it and want to wipe the rest? |
| 09:25.08 | rpc | just not sure yet but it might be the option if the new system works well |
| 09:25.44 | liable | hrm, if you kept /boot, i guess |
| 09:25.58 | rpc | so i just shouldn't touch mbr and /boot there |
| 09:26.06 | scx | arghhh |
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| 09:26.13 | scx | how do you alias a factoid? |
| 09:26.16 | scx | I forgot |
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| 09:26.57 | rpc | liable would it still work if i deleted the / ? |
| 09:27.10 | liable | rpc: i would do a bit of research before you did that, but i *think* it would be ok |
| 09:27.21 | rpc | mhm i know it can be risky |
| 09:27.35 | wols | rpc: sda is 9x80, sdb is 0x81 |
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| 09:28.00 | rpc | wols right |
| 09:28.00 | wols | and grub gets cranky if you install it on 0x80 and the copy it over to 0x81: it won't find it's additional stages then |
| 09:28.09 | rpc | hrhm. |
| 09:28.19 | wols | what do you want to do exactly? |
| 09:28.34 | liable | scroll up.. |
| 09:28.44 | rpc | i will try to explain again in a few words: |
| 09:28.50 | wols | I did, but it is not clear what he actually wants to do and how |
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| 09:29.06 | rpc | ok my point is to have a 2nd debian up and running off sdb |
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| 09:29.16 | wols | k |
| 09:29.21 | rpc | while keeping sda handy for now and possibly wiping sda if sdb works fine |
| 09:29.31 | wols | sure |
| 09:29.35 | rpc | and |
| 09:29.41 | wols | will you ever remove sda? |
| 09:29.57 | rpc | i plan to |
| 09:30.10 | rpc | not like physically but at least i would remove /home or / even |
| 09:30.29 | wols | that is a problem. at that point, sdb becomes BIOS drive 0x80 in which case you might get in trouble |
| 09:30.46 | rpc | mhm i read you |
| 09:30.52 | wols | removing only counts if removed phyiscally. grub doesn't care about / or /home or anything else |
| 09:30.56 | liable | if he swaps them? |
| 09:30.57 | rpc | but it's very unlikely that i wanted to do that unless sda failed physically |
| 09:31.07 | wols | if he doesn't remove physically, all is well |
| 09:31.27 | wols | I'd suggest to install grub in the sda MBR and keep grubs stage 2 files in /boot on sdb |
| 09:31.31 | rpc | wols so what exactly is needed on sda to allow chainloading of grub? |
| 09:31.48 | wols | why would you want to chainload at all? |
| 09:31.50 | rpc | hrhm now i'm seriously confused :) |
| 09:32.00 | wols | the only time you do that is when you run some shit like windowd |
| 09:32.04 | liable | if he installed grub to hdb, and chainloaded initially, then swaps disks eventually, hdb should boot shouldnt it? |
| 09:32.08 | rpc | because i can't access the bios on that machine and tell it to use sdb as the boot drive |
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| 09:32.27 | wols | liable: it's unnecessary |
| 09:32.35 | liable | wols: but it would work |
| 09:32.46 | rpc | hm |
| 09:32.47 | wols | liable: it's complex. complexity means errors |
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| 09:32.57 | rpc | and i don't want errors he he |
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| 09:32.59 | liable | wols: its not that compex really |
| 09:33.23 | wols | liable: it is. cause he needs 2 times stage2. and when/if he wipes /sda, there is no stage2 on sda anymore |
| 09:33.34 | wols | meanying, he will need to keep a boot/grub on sda forever |
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| 09:33.54 | liable | wols: thats what i was saying, if he then swaps drives, it still works |
| 09:34.01 | rpc | wols where does the stage2 stuff reside at on sda? |
| 09:34.06 | wols | with the solution I propose he can install or partition sda however he wants, except windows which would overwrite the MBR as usual of course |
| 09:34.14 | wols | rpc: nowhere under my solution |
| 09:34.19 | rpc | no windows, hell no :) |
| 09:34.23 | rpc | wols oh. |
| 09:34.36 | wols | liable: it won't. debian will get cranky if its / and fstab suddenly points to sda instead of sdb |
| 09:34.38 | liable | wols: but how does he boot hda with stage 2 on hdb? |
| 09:35.00 | rpc | he he don't you like my problems guys? :) |
| 09:35.03 | wols | liable: by putting the kernel os sda in your sdb/boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 09:35.12 | wols | rpc: it is no problem |
| 09:35.23 | rpc | well |
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| 09:35.33 | liable | wols: thats just the reverse of what i was saying.. |
| 09:35.41 | rpc | unless i screw up and end up with dead box :) |
| 09:36.02 | rpc | following your conversation and trying to imagine it all |
| 09:36.19 | wols | liable: with the little difference that no matter what he does (as long as sda and sdb always stay plugged in as he said), there is no way he has a unbootable system |
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| 09:36.53 | wols | rpc: you install grub into MBR os SDA. you also tell it to put its stage 1.5 and stage2 files plus menu.lst on /dev/sdb/boot/grub |
| 09:37.00 | liable | wols: 6 of one half a dozen of the other |
| 09:37.03 | wols | in menu.lst you copy over the kernel stanzas from current sda |
| 09:37.18 | wols | liable: no |
| 09:37.38 | wols | so your menu.lst has kernel stanzas from both sdb and sdb so you can dual boot |
| 09:38.07 | rpc | hm |
| 09:38.31 | rpc | btw it wouldn't work with lilo, would it? |
| 09:38.38 | wols | if you evern want to stop dual booting and reformat sda. all you need to do is the reformat/repartitioning and deleting those kernel stanzas |
| 09:38.55 | wols | it would work with lilo too |
| 09:39.16 | rpc | i just realised that that box has lilo installed |
| 09:39.18 | wols | when you do reformat, be careful not to wipe out the MBR of course |
| 09:39.47 | wols | when you install debian, it will want to install grub anyways |
| 09:40.25 | wols | the trouble that could happen with lilo is, when you format sda. dunno where lilo keeps some additional files. like stage2 grub has. |
| 09:40.43 | wols | and you had to save your lilo config to somewhere else /dev/sda/etc/ to /dev/sdb/etc) |
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| 09:40.57 | liable | lilo doent have any stage2 |
| 09:41.01 | liable | its all mbr |
| 09:41.05 | rpc | yeah |
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| 09:41.11 | rpc | so perhaps it would be easier with lilo then? |
| 09:41.15 | wols | then you're good to go. except for lilo.conf of course |
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| 09:42.12 | liable | i think lilo could get messier than grub |
| 09:42.40 | liable | though for no particular reson. |
| 09:43.24 | liable | someone keeps stealing my chars |
| 09:43.28 | rpc | he he |
| 09:43.57 | rpc | well thank you very much liable and wols for all the advices - i will think it over and try to not screw it up |
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| 09:44.35 | liable | rpc: think long before doing :) |
| 09:44.41 | rpc | yeah |
| 09:45.08 | the_rooster | rpc: look at tldp.org for lilo docs and see the map command option in grub manual |
| 09:45.13 | liable | you've got lots of food for thought though |
| 09:45.39 | rpc | the_rooster hm good idea |
| 09:45.56 | rpc | liable yes and i'm scared like hell... not sure if it's all worth it |
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| 09:47.14 | wols | rpc: do you have direct physical access to the machine when installing? |
| 09:47.23 | rpc | wols nope |
| 09:47.31 | wols | ok, that sucks |
| 09:47.32 | rpc | i have remote console though |
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| 09:47.40 | liable | rpc: its not so scary really, just think it all through exactly what you want to achieve, and search the best route. I hate to admit, but wols's suggestion is better than mine irt that you only need mbr on hda to exist. :P |
| 09:48.34 | rpc | you are both the breast here in debian :) |
| 09:48.58 | liable | are you calling us tits? |
| 09:49.13 | rpc | oh i just learned that lately lol |
| 09:49.33 | rpc | it has very positive meaning or at least i was told so lol |
| 09:49.38 | liable | hah |
| 09:49.56 | rpc | "you are the breast" comes from .ca |
| 09:49.56 | wols | rpc: you might reconsider that... |
| 09:50.01 | rpc | lol |
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| 09:50.13 | wols | so maybe only tell this in canuck channels then |
| 09:50.25 | rpc | he he |
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| 09:51.51 | rpc | btw any hope to umount / on running box? |
| 09:52.05 | rpc | assuming that i stay in /root which is a different partition |
| 09:52.49 | rpc | damn my sda is a piece of shit partition-wise |
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| 09:53.19 | liable | you cant umount / |
| 09:53.33 | rpc | right |
| 09:53.40 | Octopus | Hi, for some reason my system doesn't boot anymore from the disk my linux installation is on. When checking with fdisk on a LiveCD I notice that the bootflag is toggled on for this partition. Anyone can help me with this? It's stuck at "Verifying DMI Pool Data......" |
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| 09:54.56 | rpc | well i just thought it all over... i will make a backup of most important stuff on sda and then try the discussed trick, if it won't work i will just wipe sda, re-partition and install fresh debian |
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| 09:56.38 | scx | BR |
| 09:57.05 | liable | AS |
| 09:57.19 | liable | for #debian tits |
| 09:57.44 | liable | heh |
| 09:58.04 | Draconicus | brb |
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| 09:58.50 | nslater | How do I report a bug on Gforge? |
| 09:58.56 | nslater | There is no option on the website to report a bug. |
| 09:59.01 | Ronin | !tell nslater about bts |
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| 09:59.20 | liable | interesting domain name |
| 09:59.24 | nslater | Ronin, http://alioth.debian.org |
| 09:59.29 | wols | Octopus: your MBR is broken most probably |
| 09:59.38 | nslater | Ronin, should I not be reporting on the Debian site not the bug tracker? |
| 09:59.43 | wols | Octopus: and Linux doesn't ever care about bootflags |
| 09:59.50 | Octopus | yea |
| 09:59.51 | Octopus | hm |
| 09:59.56 | Octopus | any way i could solve this |
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| 10:00.06 | wols | reinstall your bootloader into MBR |
| 10:00.07 | liable | nslater: your apache2 works! |
| 10:00.10 | Ronin | nslater: did you read what dpkg said? |
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| 10:00.19 | nslater | liable, excuse me? |
| 10:00.29 | ma3x | im trying to play wmv on 64bit with mplayer. it has no sound. why? |
| 10:00.44 | nslater | Ronin, Alioth is a place to host Debian projects - it tells me I can file a bug directly on the site and then provides me with no way to do this. |
| 10:00.44 | wols | nslater: dpkg messaged you something |
| 10:00.46 | liable | nslater: your domain name intrigued me, so i looked at it |
| 10:01.12 | nslater | liable, that is a bug with Apache. |
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| 10:01.22 | wols | ma3x: cause w32codecs, being proprietary shit, won't work in 64bit: they are 32bit only |
| 10:01.37 | nslater | liable, if you don't configure a site it just displays that stupid message. |
| 10:01.37 | liable | nslater: i thought it was a bug of people that havet set up their web server |
| 10:01.37 | nslater | wols, yes but it was not relivent. |
| 10:01.53 | nslater | liable, it is NOT a bug to not configure your web server. |
| 10:01.58 | ma3x | wols, should I install 32 bit mplayer in chroot then? or what's the solution|? |
| 10:02.05 | liable | nslater: then why run it? |
| 10:02.05 | wols | nslater: from what you wrote beforehand, it was very relevant |
| 10:02.05 | nslater | liable, it is a bug to display such a brain dead message. |
| 10:02.11 | wols | ma3x: yes |
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| 10:02.17 | scx | http://picpaste.com/IAL.jpg |
| 10:02.21 | nslater | liable, because I want it installed - just not configured right now. |
| 10:02.32 | nslater | wols, not it was not - I am wanting help using the Debian Alioth site. |
| 10:02.46 | liable | nslater: its not a bug at all, its a message saying the server is running. how do you propose that people test it otherwise? |
| 10:03.07 | nslater | liable, to have an apache splash page like they used to. |
| 10:03.08 | liable | nslater: you can have it installed, just dont run it |
| 10:03.14 | ma3x | how can I see if there are any driver changes in the newer kernels? |
| 10:03.22 | wols | nslater: then you should ask better questions and explain yourself better. at the point Ronin pointed BTS out to you, it was all he could go on |
| 10:03.22 | nslater | liable, it is a bug - I have reported it and it has been confirmed. |
| 10:03.23 | ma3x | I want to specifically check for sis900.ko |
| 10:03.33 | liable | nslater: url? |
| 10:03.35 | wols | ma3x: kernel changelog |
| 10:03.44 | nslater | wols, I followed up with many more bits of information, perhaps you should re-check. |
| 10:03.45 | ma3x | wols, at kernel.org? |
| 10:03.56 | wols | ma3x: yes |
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| 10:04.09 | wols | nslater: how could Ronin know at the time he answered? also: |
| 10:04.14 | wols | !tell nslater about enter |
| 10:04.20 | nslater | liable, I don't see any harm in running it - the message is brain dead. |
| 10:04.34 | wols | nslater: if you don't, then you are braindead :) |
| 10:04.41 | liable | nslater: wheres the confirmation from apache devs its a bug? |
| 10:04.43 | nslater | wols, excuse me but I am simply typing one sentence at a time. |
| 10:04.43 | wols | open ports of no reasons usually is |
| 10:05.05 | nslater | Is it really a professional message for Apache to be displaying? |
| 10:05.21 | ma3x | wols, http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ChangeLog-2.6.21.1 shows nothing useful |
| 10:05.21 | nslater | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apache2/+bug/89364 |
| 10:05.22 | wols | nslater: since it's unporfessional for you to install it the way you did: yes |
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| 10:05.29 | protocol_ | Anybody knows about linux kernel memory management? |
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| 10:05.33 | nslater | wols, WTF are you talking about? |
| 10:05.33 | liable | ok, this conversation was pointless from the start, /me stops it. |
| 10:05.34 | wols | nslater: that is no apache bug at all |
| 10:05.37 | protocol_ | Does linux kernel automatically frees up the memory after exiting if the application has memory leaks? |
| 10:05.40 | nslater | wols, unprofessional installation? |
| 10:05.40 | wols | nslater: why are you in #debian? |
| 10:05.46 | nslater | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apache2/+bug/89364 |
| 10:05.51 | wols | protocol_: of course |
| 10:05.56 | nslater | There you go, it's a confirmed bug there. |
| 10:05.58 | wols | nslater: go back to #ubuntu |
| 10:06.05 | nslater | wols, what's with you? |
| 10:06.09 | liable | protocol_: kernelnewbies.org has a paper on it (or links to it iirc) |
| 10:06.10 | nslater | wols, I wanted help with Alioth. |
| 10:06.11 | wols | !ubuntu |
| 10:06.11 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 10:06.21 | nslater | wols, I know what Ubuntu is, thanks all the same./ |
| 10:06.42 | nslater | wols, I wanted help with Alioth. |
| 10:06.57 | wols | nslater: how can you report bugs on debian if you don't run it? |
| 10:07.07 | nslater | wols, how do you know if I don't run it? |
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| 10:07.39 | nslater | wols, if you cannot help me with my query - please just lay of the personal attacks. |
| 10:07.50 | liable | lol, you call that a confirmed bug? |
| 10:07.52 | nslater | I just wanted to know if anyone knows how to report bugs using Alioth. |
| 10:08.04 | nslater | liable, read it properly. Status is confirmed. |
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| 10:08.23 | chemaja | humorously, Ian thinks Ubuntu "is Debian" (not that I subscribe to this idea) |
| 10:08.34 | wols | nslater: you were told how to report bugs. that's the debian way. if you don't like how alioth does it, talk to the alioth webmaster? |
| 10:08.43 | protocol_ | liable: Could you give the exact link, where I can find that kernel automatically cleans up unallocated memory by the application? |
| 10:08.47 | nslater | wols, Alioth is run by Debian! |
| 10:08.59 | nslater | wols, it's not that I don't like it, I cannot figure out how to use the site. |
| 10:09.16 | xand | chemaja: yes, I read that in an interview with him yesterday :) |
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| 10:09.42 | chemaja | scx, unless they're a beginner, i tend to feel pitty |
| 10:09.48 | dondelelcaro | nslater: you don't file bugs on alioth. File bugs using the bug tracking system. That's what it's for. |
| 10:09.48 | wols | protocol_: only place is kernel.org |
| 10:09.49 | liable | protocol_: nope. sorry, i have been reading lots of shit recently and have no clue where i read it, except that you may find it on kernelnewbies.org |
| 10:09.51 | wols | protocol_: in the source |
| 10:10.02 | nslater | dondelelcaro, so why does Alioth say that you CAN file bugs? |
| 10:10.14 | nslater | liable, http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-apache@lists.debian.org/msg08515.html |
| 10:10.21 | dondelelcaro | nslater: because gforge has a bug tracking system that can be enabled, but most projects have it disabled. |
| 10:10.33 | wols | protocol_: all proper OSes on i386 and later do it. even wintendo did it |
| 10:10.39 | nslater | dondelelcaro, so then the site is misleading and needs to be changed. |
| 10:10.42 | dondelelcaro | (primarily because the gforge bug tracking system is not particularly good) |
| 10:10.49 | dondelelcaro | nslater: where are you reading this, by the way? |
| 10:10.58 | nslater | dondelelcaro, gforge is not particularly good. |
| 10:11.00 | liable | nslater: the only thing that is confirming is that you dont like it. |
| 10:11.02 | nslater | particularly, reading what? |
| 10:11.10 | wols | protocol_: tho wintendo had problems with certain scarce system ressourced |
| 10:11.13 | nslater | liable, that was a confirmed Debian bug report for the same issue. |
| 10:11.13 | dondelelcaro | nslater: the "file bugs on alioth" bit |
| 10:11.25 | dondelelcaro | nslater: all Debian bug reports are filed on bugs.debian.org |
| 10:11.30 | nslater | dondelelcaro, http://alioth.debian.org/tracker/?group_id=30267 |
| 10:11.44 | protocol_ | wols: I really suspect that kernel does memory cleanup. I made leaked application. I see the increased memory usage after exiting the application. |
| 10:11.47 | nslater | "Choose a tracker and you can browse/edit/add items to it." |
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| 10:12.21 | dondelelcaro | nslater: so log in and submit bugs |
| 10:12.23 | wols | protocol_: how? |
| 10:12.32 | protocol_ | wols: free |
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| 10:12.43 | wols | protocol_: that is no proof at all |
| 10:12.44 | nslater | dondelelcaro, I cannot log in - the site doesn't work. |
| 10:12.52 | dondelelcaro | nslater: why can't you log in? |
| 10:12.56 | wols | protocol_: linux won't reallocate the memory until it needs it |
| 10:12.57 | nslater | dondelelcaro, just says "Exiting with exception, cannot find user." |
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| 10:13.05 | nslater | dondelelcaro, which is a braindead error message anyhow. |
| 10:13.20 | nslater | dondelelcaro, and before you ask - yes, I registered. |
| 10:13.23 | wols | protocol_: how did you leak memory? via simple heap leak? |
| 10:13.32 | protocol_ | wols: yes |
| 10:13.48 | wols | that is certainly reclaimed. even wintendo would reclaim it |
| 10:13.51 | dondelelcaro | nslater: have you actually created a user account? |
| 10:14.04 | nslater | dondelelcaro, I just answered that question. |
| 10:14.38 | dondelelcaro | nslater: no, you haven't |
| 10:14.47 | nslater | dondelelcaro, just tried registereing again - same thing. |
| 10:15.01 | dondelelcaro | nslater: then send an email to the site administrator with the error message |
| 10:15.04 | nslater | dondelelcaro, I have registered 3 times now. Each time I get the same error message. |
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| 10:15.48 | nslater | dondelelcaro, thanks a lot for your help. More than I can say for the others. |
| 10:16.05 | dondelelcaro | nslater: if you've gotten an error message, then you haven't registered. You've attempted to register. Regardless, send an e-mail to the administrators. |
| 10:16.13 | dondelelcaro | nslater: maligning others attempts to help you is not going to endear you to me |
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| 10:16.23 | nslater | dondelelcaro, I DID register and I got a confirmation email. |
| 10:16.34 | nslater | dondelelcaro, I was greated by some very aggressive behaviour. |
| 10:16.34 | dondelelcaro | nslater: so what's the problem then? |
| 10:16.35 | wols | nslater: you replaied to the confirmatin? |
| 10:16.44 | wols | *replied |
| 10:16.47 | dondelelcaro | nslater: you appended -guest to your username, right? |
| 10:16.48 | nslater | dondelelcaro, that the link to click on asks me to log in and then it doesnt work. |
| 10:17.05 | nslater | dondelelcaro, NO - where does it say to do that? |
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| 10:17.16 | dondelelcaro | nslater: uh... in the part where you registered. See where it says -guest? |
| 10:17.27 | dondelelcaro | unless you're a Debian Developer, your account ends in -guest |
| 10:17.37 | nslater | dondelelcaro, oh yeah - obviously. That is VERY bad usability if you ask me. |
| 10:17.42 | dondelelcaro | (and we don't register that way) |
| 10:17.48 | nslater | dondelelcaro, how about just having a "debian dev" flag on the account. |
| 10:17.59 | dondelelcaro | nslater: that is the "debian developer" flag |
| 10:18.18 | nslater | dondelelcaro, how about using an actual tuple in the DB instead of munging the username. Very bad IMO. |
| 10:18.45 | dondelelcaro | nslater: think about why it would possible be that way, and see if you can come up with an answer. It's fairly obvious |
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| 10:19.13 | dondelelcaro | I'll give you a hint: there are new Debian Developers all the time |
| 10:19.17 | nslater | dondelelcaro, eh - every new user has "debian dev" set to false and then you activate it on a one by one basis? |
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| 10:19.27 | dondelelcaro | nslater: try again |
| 10:19.28 | nslater | dondelelcaro, no - not really - there are not THAT many debian developers. |
| 10:19.45 | dondelelcaro | nslater: there are about 1000 of us, but that's not the point. |
| 10:19.51 | nslater | dondelelcaro, that is NOT that many. |
| 10:19.57 | nslater | dondelelcaro, so what's the reason? |
| 10:20.31 | dondelelcaro | nslater: the account names on alioth are exactly the same as the debian developer account names. If someone had the same one and wasn't a developer, they'd have to change. |
| 10:20.59 | nslater | dondelelcaro, okay - but why remove that requirement. |
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| 10:21.13 | dondelelcaro | because they share ldap databases, and the requirement is useful |
| 10:21.17 | nslater | Then if there are any systems that depend on it you add a "debian username" field to the user... |
| 10:21.34 | nslater | dondelelcaro, yup - if you added a secondary username map then this would work. |
| 10:21.35 | dondelelcaro | nslater: in any event, that's the way it is; why it is that way is not on topic here. |
| 10:21.52 | dondelelcaro | nslater: I'm well aware of how else it could be done, but those methods are suboptimal. |
| 10:21.56 | nslater | dondelelcaro, on the #debian channel - I would say this was the most relivent TBH. |
| 10:22.13 | nslater | dondelelcaro, how is it suboptimal to use the RDBMS as it should be? |
| 10:22.23 | nslater | dondelelcaro, munging usernames is suboptimal and bad usability. |
| 10:22.36 | dondelelcaro | nslater: I've no intention of arguing with you about alioth; complain in #alioth if you want to complain. |
| 10:23.09 | wols | irc.debian.org #alioth most probably |
| 10:23.15 | wols | doubt it's a channel on freenode |
| 10:23.16 | dondelelcaro | and as a final note, bugs on po4a should not be filed using alioth. Use bugs.debian.org and reportbug if you're using Debian. |
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| 10:23.29 | dondelelcaro | (if not, file with whatever your distribution is) |
| 10:23.35 | nslater | dondelelcaro, I didn't want an argument - is this how you guys treat all your users, and people who want to report bugs? I thought I was doing the community a service by taking the time out of my day to be bothered telling Debian about the problems I was experiencing. Real companies pay good money for QA testers. |
| 10:23.50 | dondelelcaro | nslater: you seem to forget that everyone here is a volunteer |
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| 10:23.56 | wols | then hire on with a real company |
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| 10:24.12 | nslater | dondelelcaro, that is no need to treat bug reports like you people have done. |
| 10:24.42 | dondelelcaro | nslater: I haven't even seen your bug report, and all you've done so far is argue with me. In any event, your question is answered. EOT> |
| 10:24.59 | wols | nslater: if one guy calls you an ass, laugh at him. if 10 people call you an ass, go and buy a saddle |
| 10:25.07 | nslater | dondelelcaro, the "volunteer" label is not a reason to be brash with other helpers. |
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| 10:31.48 | tarzeau | if i have this string: Description: post-processing tool for scanned pages , how could i capitalize the first character after : ? |
| 10:32.35 | liable | by opening the file and editing it? :) |
| 10:32.45 | tarzeau | liable: using sed or something automatic |
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| 10:34.02 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: perl -pe 's/^([^:+]:\s+)(.)/$1.uc($2)/e; ' foofile; For example |
| 10:34.18 | liable | hah |
| 10:34.58 | dondelelcaro | (or perhaps s/^(Description: )(.)/$1.uc($2)/e;) |
| 10:35.02 | tarzeau | ouf, i wanted something without perl |
| 10:35.29 | dondelelcaro | so use cut and sed with tr or similar |
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| 10:36.30 | ma3x | when do you usually run build-dep package?? when you want to compile a package? |
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| 10:37.58 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: that's one time, yes |
| 10:38.20 | ma3x | dondelelcaro, do you usually compile sometimes? or not at all? |
| 10:38.45 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: I don't use build-dep when I compile packages; I use pbuilder. |
| 10:39.22 | ma3x | dondelelcaro, what's the difference? what does pbuilder do different than build-dep? |
| 10:39.45 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: apt-cache show pbuilder; for details |
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| 10:40.33 | gOLdenHaWK3D | hi all |
| 10:40.37 | ma3x | dondelelcaro, are there some examples or howo about pbuilder? |
| 10:41.24 | stew | ma3x: /usr/share/doc/pbuilder |
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| 10:46.30 | RichiH | what tool can i use to recover data from an image containing [v]fat data? |
| 10:48.18 | liable | yikes just noticed the server news on kernel.org /me drools |
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| 10:50.29 | jm|work | RichiH: foremost ? |
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| 10:52.55 | jerome | hum, I'm having some problems with my usb keyboards and mouse not working on reboot. lsusb shows them, plugging and unplugging them trigger some events with uhci_hcd but /dev/input/event*|mice say "no such device" when xxd'ing them :/ |
| 10:52.59 | jerome | any idea ? |
| 10:53.19 | jerome | my ps2 kb works just fine on event0 |
| 10:53.29 | liable | hrm, whats that kernel module.. |
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| 10:54.03 | jerome | hum |
| 10:54.04 | cydork | RichiH: testdisk is also useful.. |
| 10:54.11 | jerome | usbkbd |
| 10:54.15 | jerome | damnit. |
| 10:54.55 | jerome | wonders why it doesn't get modprobe'd at boot time. Silly modules. |
| 10:55.10 | liable | jerome: add it to /etc/modules |
| 10:55.13 | me_here | is CONFIG_LOGO clashing with CONFIG_SPLASH ?? |
| 10:55.24 | me_here | or can i enable both ? |
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| 10:56.37 | jerome | liable: yep, but I'm pretty sure that is some kind of problem with udev/hotplug/my kernel version/some sid oddities ... |
| 10:57.07 | liable | jerome: heh, yes, that narrows it down :) |
| 10:57.07 | cydork | tarzeau: with sed 's/Description: \(.\)/Description: \U\1/'? |
| 10:57.10 | jerome | this sid comes from an old potato. I need to do some cleaning in rc files from time to time :) |
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| 10:57.51 | tarzeau | cydork: perfect, thank you very much :) |
| 10:59.10 | cydork | tarzeau: yw :) |
| 10:59.10 | tarzeau | cydork: it's used here: http://gnu.ethz.ch/fink/debian2fink.txt |
| 10:59.18 | cydork | tarzeau: since when did you get interested in fink? |
| 10:59.44 | tarzeau | cydork: yesterday, when i AGAIN reinstalled mac os x on the macmini intel here |
| 10:59.56 | tarzeau | cydork: bootcamp is such a crap, and getting linux on it to work too |
| 11:00.01 | tarzeau | cydork: now i got parallels and fink |
| 11:00.23 | cydork | tarzeau: aah ok |
| 11:00.37 | tarzeau | and don't tell me about refit, i can't get it to work. however my livecd.gnustep.org works fine on it (from cd) |
| 11:00.40 | formorer | refit works fine |
| 11:00.55 | formorer | and is really easy to install |
| 11:00.56 | cydork | heh |
| 11:01.01 | cydork | tarzeau: i didn't :P |
| 11:01.02 | tarzeau | hah |
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| 11:01.23 | Klavier | can i run JInitiator with firefox on linux? .. i want to see oracle forms with my browser? |
| 11:01.46 | tarzeau | cydork: do you use fink too? |
| 11:01.59 | cydork | tarzeau: nope. don't own a apple. |
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| 11:02.18 | tarzeau | cydork: would you use fink if you had a shell on a apple os x? |
| 11:02.27 | petemc | i use fink |
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| 11:02.45 | cydork | tarzeau: yeah possible just xnu + some other tools + fink should be a nice combination :P |
| 11:02.46 | tarzeau | petemc: you're not in #fink . but do you also make fink packages? |
| 11:02.52 | petemc | i do not |
| 11:03.15 | petemc | i use it to grab essentials like wget etc |
| 11:03.19 | petemc | thats about it |
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| 11:04.59 | Xteven | hi, is there a daemon that sends out gratuitous arps for all IP addresses a host currently has ? |
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| 11:05.03 | wols | Klavier: I guess if you install a JDK |
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| 11:05.49 | Klavier | i can t find any explanation on oracle |
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| 11:06.36 | wols | Klavier: is your ffox capable of running java applets? |
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| 11:10.09 | syed_nawaz | Hello |
| 11:10.29 | syed_nawaz | I would like to find the hostname of the machine from its IP address |
| 11:10.46 | syed_nawaz | i tried to use dig -x command, but i am unable to find the hostname |
| 11:10.58 | kairu0 | syed_nawaz, "host <ipaddress>" |
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| 11:11.11 | Vordi | hey guys... I was using sid/unstable with a 2.4 kernel.. upgradding wants to install libc6 but cant because of my kernel.. if i try to apt-get another kernel it requires libc6.. and I'm unable to compile one because i think it either removed libc-dev when i did the apt-get upgrade.. tried a few things but unable to get passed this problem.. any one have any ideas? |
| 11:11.36 | liable | Vordi: eek |
| 11:11.53 | liable | Vordi: try reding the etch release note. they *may* help |
| 11:11.58 | liable | reading* |
| 11:12.04 | syed_nawaz | kairu0, I am getting the message like in-addr.arpa not found: |
| 11:12.12 | liable | add an s there too |
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| 11:13.29 | Vordi | i had no probs upgrading sarge. sid giving me a headache cos my older kernel... I'll give the notes another try |
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| 11:14.25 | liable | Vordi: why you would run sid with a 2.4 kernel for this long baffles me |
| 11:15.08 | kairu0 | syed_nawaz, is this a LAN address? it sounds like you need an A record on your dns server |
| 11:15.20 | Vordi | was just a dev box.. nothing important... |
| 11:15.26 | syed_nawaz | kairu0, yes, this is a lan address |
| 11:15.42 | Vordi | id do a reinstall but im in another country from the machine |
| 11:15.54 | cydork | Vordi: debootstrap? :) |
| 11:15.54 | syed_nawaz | kairu0, I need to find the hostname of the IP address of my lan |
| 11:16.05 | kairu0 | syed_nawaz, your LANs dns server needs to know the hostname before you can query first (i think) |
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| 11:16.17 | liable | cydork: that takes all the fun out of it! |
| 11:16.36 | cydork | liable: heh |
| 11:16.58 | kairu0 | liable, just curious....why?! :) |
| 11:17.20 | liable | kairu0: its a new install.. |
| 11:17.52 | syed_nawaz | kairu0, any other solution other for this other than setting the LAN DNS server |
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| 11:18.20 | syed_nawaz | kairu0, i tried using hostinfo, dig -x and other commands but could not succeed |
| 11:18.42 | kairu0 | syed_nawaz, is this box you're trying to lookup windows? |
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| 11:19.23 | alleyoopster | hi, i want to install twinkle from sid, is there way of doing this without compromising my etch install? |
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| 11:19.37 | syed_nawaz | kairu0, no idea it can be windows/linux. The IP i am trying to trace was trying to crack into one of the server |
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| 11:20.12 | wols | !tell alleyoopster about simple sid backport |
| 11:20.16 | kairu0 | syed_nawaz, so you have the ip address of someone on your LAN who was trying to crack a local server? |
| 11:20.38 | alleyoopster | wols: thanks |
| 11:20.41 | syed_nawaz | kairu0, yes..how can i do that now ? |
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| 11:21.26 | petemc | syed_nawaz: dig -x is the only way to map an ip to a hostname |
| 11:21.54 | petemc | well, host can do it too, i mean a ptr record is all you'll get |
| 11:22.06 | TTT | hi, how do I switch timezone in debian/sid? edit /etc/timezone? |
| 11:22.11 | petemc | tzconfig |
| 11:22.39 | syed_nawaz | kairu0, I got that command from googling but i am unable to get the information out of that |
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| 11:22.57 | TTT | petemc, it isn't installed, and apt-cache search tzconfig returns nothing |
| 11:23.03 | syed_nawaz | kairu0, there is no section called "answer" in the output of that command |
| 11:23.12 | kairu0 | syed_nawaz, if you cant do that, you have either a DNS issue on your LAN, or a firewall that is blocking some ports |
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| 11:23.49 | petemc | TTT: oh, dpkg -S says it comes from libc6 on my box |
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| 11:24.24 | TTT | oook, i'll go see it, um, this is an x64 box |
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| 11:24.48 | syed_nawaz | kairu0, ok....will check that out |
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| 11:25.24 | jelly | TTT: it's in /usr/sbin/tzconfig even on amd64 |
| 11:25.42 | ustunozgur | wasn't emacs-snapshot-gtk a part of unstable a while ago? or do I remember incorrectly? |
| 11:26.01 | martiancode | what're my options to know the package version before apt-getting it for example? |
| 11:26.16 | petemc | martiancode: apt-cache show |
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| 11:26.22 | jelly | martiancode: apt-cache policy foo is nice |
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| 11:26.38 | TTT | jelly, nope, there isn't. There is one in stable, but there isn't one in sid :-\ |
| 11:26.49 | TTT | i did a search over packages.debian.org |
| 11:27.17 | jelly | TTT: hmm. Ah, I see, I haven't upgraded my amd64 install, sorry |
| 11:27.47 | wols | !tzconfig |
| 11:27.48 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, setting time is if you're using a coexisting DOS/Win on your x86, put UTC=no in /etc/default/rcS else put UTC=yes. use tzconfig to set the right timezone, then use date (man date) to set time (avoid doing that when precious applications are running, some might get confused). Now do hwclock --systohc if RTC is local, or hwclock --systohc --utc if UTC. Erase /etc/adjtime and repeat the previous command again. This ... |
| 11:28.15 | petemc | seems to be truncated |
| 11:28.25 | martiancode | petemc: thanks :-) |
| 11:28.31 | martiancode | jelly: thanks :-) |
| 11:28.55 | jelly | wols: it's hard to "use tzconfig to set [...]" when it's not on the system |
| 11:28.56 | martiancode | I don't know why i keep forgetting that I shouldn't man apt-get everytime |
| 11:28.57 | martiancode | heh |
| 11:29.11 | wols | jelly: yes. thought it would tell us something about sid |
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| 11:29.22 | wols | since the tzconfig thing is an old problem by now |
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| 11:30.16 | martiancode | dang I can get the same info by using aptitude !! |
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| 11:33.39 | oober | Can someone help me please? I have a Digium TDM800 card with two FXO modules. As I take it I then have to load the wcfxs module for it to work. But for some reason I only have the wcfxo module installed. Where is the wcfxs module? |
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| 11:37.29 | wols | oober: there is no wcfxs in debian |
| 11:37.54 | oober | wols, ok so how do I get FXO modules to work? |
| 11:38.04 | TTT | hmm, i grabbed tzconfig from debian/sarge/amd64, it seems to work i think |
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| 11:38.17 | oober | wols, what module should I load then? |
| 11:38.38 | wols | oober: where did you get your existing modules from? |
| 11:39.07 | oober | apt-get install zaptel-source |
| 11:39.13 | oober | m-a a-i zaptel |
| 11:39.16 | wols | cause there is no wcfx-anything in debian according to pdo |
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| 11:43.04 | TTT | wols, jelly ok, i got time zone working right this time. But someone should report this as a bug, or is that a known problem? |
| 11:43.21 | TTT | people shoudn't have to forward port stuff from sarge to set their time zones ... |
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| 11:45.28 | wols | TTT: it sort of is known but tzconfig is missing quite some time in sid by now |
| 11:45.35 | wols | dunno if it's reported |
| 11:46.48 | waspius | hi does anyone know how i can break through the universities restriction so that i can download an open restricted sites? |
| 11:47.01 | abrotman | open restricted eh ? |
| 11:47.19 | waspius | web pages |
| 11:47.20 | cydork | waspius: you wanna watch pr0n from university? :P |
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| 11:47.34 | waspius | cydork: no those are allowed |
| 11:47.37 | Ronin | nice way to get booted out waspius of university |
| 11:47.38 | abrotman | waspius: have you tried something like tor or an open proxy ? |
| 11:48.04 | petemc | boingboing.net keep a list of proxies |
| 11:48.06 | waspius | abrotman: no i have not..i have heard of http tunneling but i have no idea how to use it |
| 11:48.13 | Ronin | what the hell is an open restricted site anyhow? |
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| 11:48.47 | waspius | i meant to be able to open restricted sites |
| 11:48.59 | abrotman | Ronin: a restricted open site .. duh |
| 11:49.15 | Ronin | waspius: well they're restricted for a reason, you sure you want to bypass security? nice way to get smacked down |
| 11:49.18 | Ronin | abrotman: heh |
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| 11:49.33 | abrotman | waspius: if you were to get caught .. would you be expelled ? |
| 11:50.00 | waspius | abrotman: i have no idea but i dont really care...cause exams are over so now so is uni |
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| 11:50.06 | waspius | not much they can do |
| 11:50.21 | abrotman | other than not give you your degree .. but hey .. it was worth it |
| 11:50.22 | waspius | and by the way it is not like i will hack an uni computers |
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| 11:51.15 | wols | waspius: if you use http tunnel you need an endpoint outside your uni for that tunnel which will act as a proxy for you |
| 11:51.18 | waspius | i just want to use the unis speed to download when i am there..or be able to join irc etc |
| 11:51.25 | jelly | TTT: a naive search for tzconfig in subjects of libc6 bugs doesn't find it... I guess you should report it |
| 11:51.38 | wols | TOR or JAP are the better options when you don't have such a host on the outside available for you |
| 11:51.41 | stab | Hiya. I've managed to break my nvidia driver some how and am going about restoring it to working order. Am I better off using the source from nvidia.com or the glx\nvidia binary driver from apt? |
| 11:51.53 | itai1234 | hi - need some help with getting ipw2200 on etch working. follwed several guides but keep getting an error :Error inserting ipw2200 (/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/contrib/ipw2200/ipw2200.ko) |
| 11:52.02 | waspius | wols: thanx.. |
| 11:52.16 | abrotman | !ipw2200 install |
| 11:52.21 | abrotman | !ipw2100 install |
| 11:52.22 | abrotman | bah |
| 11:52.25 | wols | !ipw2200 |
| 11:52.25 | dpkg | somebody said ipw2200 was a driver for Intel wireless cards. It's built into kernels >= 2.6.15 and only compiles on a 2.6 kernel. If you need to build, you'll need module-assistant, build-essential and kernel-headers-$(uname -r) packages, and contrib sources (ask me about <contrib>). To install: m-a prepare && m-a a-i ieee80211 ipw2200. Ask me about <ipw2200 firmware>. Project page: http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net |
| 11:52.29 | wols | :P |
| 11:52.30 | abrotman | yeah .. taht! |
| 11:52.34 | abrotman | that too |
| 11:52.46 | wols | stab: apt version of course |
| 11:52.54 | wols | !tell stab about nvidia one-liner |
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| 11:53.25 | Ronin | wonder what the odds of waspius university admins blocking tor etc. :) |
| 11:53.26 | stab | wols: I haven't been having any luck even though I have installed it without pain in a number of different ways |
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| 11:53.46 | jelly | hmm... should d-i have scripts to download firmware for various stuff from the net? |
| 11:53.52 | itai1234 | abrotman, contrib sources means having contrib in sources.list? |
| 11:53.57 | abrotman | itai1234: yep |
| 11:54.13 | abrotman | jelly: uhm .. chicken/egg ? |
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| 11:55.21 | jelly | abrotman: for ipw2200, yes, but for eg. scsi hbas (qla2xxx) it makes sense |
| 11:55.34 | abrotman | ah ok |
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| 11:56.27 | TTT | what do I use to report a bug? reportbug? or are there any user friendly |
| 11:56.32 | TTT | more user friendly alternatives? |
| 11:56.56 | itai1234 | abrotman, is their another name for kerneheaders -can't apt-get it |
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| 11:58.14 | abrotman | m-a prepare should get the right ones |
| 11:58.47 | itai1234 | abrotman, i ran the command m-a prepare && .... |
| 11:58.53 | itai1234 | but i got an error |
| 11:59.05 | itai1234 | Installation of the ieee80211-source source failed. |
| 11:59.15 | abrotman | failed ? |
| 11:59.18 | stab | GPL-incompatible module nvidia.ko uses GPL-only symbol 'pa - yelp? |
| 11:59.24 | oober | wols, if someone else asks about wcfxs module thell them it was replaced by the wctdm module. |
| 11:59.33 | abrotman | just try m-a a-i ipw2200 .. see what happens |
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| 11:59.47 | jelly | itai1234: which kernel are you using? |
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| 12:00.44 | jelly | itai1234: fwiw, ipw2200 from etch's kernel worked fine here... did you download the firmware? |
| 12:00.48 | wols | itai1234: linux-header* |
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| 12:01.16 | jelly | abrotman: no need to build ipw2200 on <itai1234> hi - need some help with getting ipw2200 on etch working. follwed several guides but keep getting an error :Error inserting ipw2200 (/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/contrib/ipw2200/ipw2200.ko) |
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| 12:01.37 | itai1234 | jelly, 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 12:01.39 | abrotman | jelly? |
| 12:01.46 | abrotman | jelly? it's in etch's kernels ? |
| 12:02.00 | hark | yes :) |
| 12:02.05 | abrotman | damnyou people! |
| 12:02.09 | abrotman | no one tells me this stuff! |
| 12:02.16 | jelly | abrotman: it's there in 2.6.15+ like the factiod says |
| 12:02.16 | wols | !comfort abrotman |
| 12:02.16 | dpkg | There, there, abrotman. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 12:02.37 | jelly | abrotman: apparently that includes Debian's 2.6.18 |
| 12:03.03 | hark | !info ipw2200-modules-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 12:03.04 | dpkg | ipw2200-modules-2.6.18-4-686: (Intel PRO/Wireless 2200 and 2915ABG (ipw2200) driver modules for Linux 2.6.18 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4), section contrib/admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.18+1.2.1-5 (sid), Packaged size: 56 kB, Installed size: 220 kB |
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| 12:03.18 | abrotman | jelly: don't look at me. . my hardware just works! |
| 12:03.29 | abrotman | so that factoid needs to be totally changed |
| 12:03.33 | jelly | abrotman: mine too, especially with the firmware in place |
| 12:04.00 | itai1234 | jelly, downloading the firmware now |
| 12:04.37 | jelly | itai1234: the module should load after you place the firmware in /lib/firmware |
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| 12:05.26 | itai1234 | jelly, how? |
| 12:05.38 | jelly | itai1234: modprobe, just like before |
| 12:06.00 | itai1234 | i get : modprobe ipw2200 |
| 12:06.00 | itai1234 | FATAL: Error inserting ipw2200 (/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2200.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
| 12:06.16 | jelly | itai1234: after installing the firmware? |
| 12:06.18 | hark | you extracted it? |
| 12:06.34 | itai1234 | i ran mv /lib/firmware/ipw2200-fw-3.0/* /lib/firmware |
| 12:06.49 | itai1234 | (after tar -xvf......) |
| 12:06.52 | jelly | "see dmesg" |
| 12:07.30 | itai1234 | lots of "ipw2200: Unknown symbol ieee80211_rx" |
| 12:07.53 | jelly | itai1234: sounds like you have conflicting versions of ieee80211 and ipw2200 |
| 12:08.07 | abrotman | itai1234: how did you install ipw2200 driver ? |
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| 12:08.33 | jelly | itai1234: if you built and installed any of those with m-a, remove those packages -- the ones from the kernel work fine, here |
| 12:08.33 | itai1234 | jelly, should i get rid of ieee80211? |
| 12:08.40 | jelly | itai1234: yes. |
| 12:09.26 | itai1234 | i ran m-a , but it kept tellng me nstallation of iee80211 failed |
| 12:09.49 | itai1234 | abrotman, its a long story ...see here http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=73343#73343 |
| 12:09.51 | jelly | itai1234: remove the package using dpkg. |
| 12:10.19 | wols | his m-a orgy most probably overwrite the original kernel ones too |
| 12:10.21 | jelly | itai1234: it's called something like ieee80211-modules-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 12:10.24 | wols | so simply removing them won't help |
| 12:10.37 | abrotman | not a very long story :) |
| 12:10.42 | jelly | wols: no, those install in another dir. |
| 12:10.50 | abrotman | wols go change the factoid! |
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| 12:11.00 | duckx | Hy guys |
| 12:11.00 | wols | abrotman: you can do it better |
| 12:11.04 | jelly | wols: dpkg would fail if the paths clashed anyway |
| 12:11.06 | wols | I don't even have a ipw2200 |
| 12:11.24 | wols | jelly: no. it's not dpkg that installs them in /lib/modules but m-a |
| 12:11.40 | duckx | I currently facing an issue using apt-proxy with security repository |
| 12:11.47 | itai1234 | jelly, do you mind leading me through with the commands ...i am very new to the bash |
| 12:12.11 | duckx | Googling about it, it seems I am not the only one facing this issue |
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| 12:12.26 | duckx | Does anyone has a clue on how to solve it ? |
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| 12:12.45 | fengor | duckx: the glassball is dusty today. |
| 12:12.48 | fengor | WHAT is your issue |
| 12:13.00 | duckx | lol :) |
| 12:13.04 | jelly | wols: and what is m-a using to install the built packages, pixie dust? |
| 12:13.09 | waspius | when i try apt-get install tor i get the message that it has no installation candidate...should i try and find it from a web site? |
| 12:13.14 | duckx | I am currelntly running a vserver box |
| 12:13.21 | duckx | With 6 instances |
| 12:13.39 | duckx | One of the instance has apt-proxy installed to limit bandwith usage |
| 12:13.44 | itai1234 | jelly, how do i find out the name of the pacakge? |
| 12:13.59 | PSIclops | what do you want? |
| 12:13.59 | jelly | itai1234: should be in the output of "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l ieee80211\*" |
| 12:14.03 | duckx | The other vserver are bound to it : aka 192.168.0.13:9999 |
| 12:14.22 | duckx | Running apt-get update on the apt-proxy clients |
| 12:14.25 | itai1234 | jelly, nope |
| 12:14.28 | duckx | apt-get get stuck |
| 12:14.32 | cydork | waspius: using etch? afaik tor is not present in etch. |
| 12:14.33 | PSIclops | what are u looking for? |
| 12:14.36 | duckx | Then I got the following error |
| 12:14.51 | duckx | I will get it in english, currently in french ;) |
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| 12:15.15 | jelly | itai1234: pastebin the output of "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l \*2.6.18\*" |
| 12:15.16 | waspius | cydork: thank you..if i download the source and compile it will it be fine or should i find another utility? |
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| 12:15.31 | duckx | fengor it get stuck with : |
| 12:15.34 | duckx | Get:1 http://192.168.0.13 etch Release.gpg [378B] |
| 12:15.34 | duckx | 99% [Waiting for headers] |
| 12:15.37 | wols | waspius: you could do a simple sid backport |
| 12:15.40 | cydork | waspius: well check /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 12:16.44 | duckx | Bug report on the subject http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=423756 |
| 12:17.08 | abrotman | hit ctrl-c .. try again |
| 12:17.46 | itai1234 | jelly, erm..how to pastebin?? anyway there is no ieee82011 in the output , just ipw2200 modules, kernel image and linux docs |
| 12:18.08 | jelly | itai1234: great, remove the ipw2200 ones, then |
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| 12:19.29 | itai1234 | dpkg -r ? |
| 12:20.10 | jelly | itai1234: that will work, yes. dpkg --purge is even better |
| 12:20.44 | kubrick | anyone in here has wireless-tool-29~pre21-1 (the one that comes with sid) ? |
| 12:21.01 | kubrick | can paste iwconfig -v ? I'd like to know the wireless extensions version |
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| 12:21.47 | Lirezh | hi |
| 12:22.12 | spheard | When you attempt to compile a kernel does is save all the bits that successfully compiled in the event of an error |
| 12:22.18 | Lirezh | i try to do this: ssh user@box "/bin/tool &" < but the fork does not seem to work |
| 12:22.39 | itai1234 | jelly, sorry...when i click tab i get 4 options after ipw2000 : -1.2.0 , 1.2.0.tgz,fw-3.0.001.tgz, fw-3.0.tgz |
| 12:22.49 | jm|laptop | Lirezh: do you mean that you can't exit the ssh session? |
| 12:22.54 | jm|laptop | or that the remote app doesn't fork ... |
| 12:23.05 | Lirezh | it's blocking until tool is finished |
| 12:23.11 | jm|laptop | well it will |
| 12:23.24 | Lirezh | i need to non blocking (but i do not want ssh forked on the calling side) |
| 12:23.39 | jm|laptop | !google nohup |
| 12:23.40 | dmilith | Results for nohup on Google: |
| 12:23.40 | dmilith | -- |
| 12:23.46 | jm|laptop | :O |
| 12:24.33 | jm|laptop | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nohup |
| 12:25.11 | jm|laptop | also ssh -f ? |
| 12:25.21 | jm|laptop | or is it -n |
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| 12:28.01 | abrotman | dmilith: turn that off |
| 12:29.51 | itai1234 | jelly, i get 'ignoring request ipw....which isn't installed'... |
| 12:31.01 | jelly | itai1234: ipw.... what? |
| 12:31.04 | Lirezh | nohup is not solving it @ laptop |
| 12:31.18 | abrotman | Lirezh: what are you actually trying to do ? |
| 12:31.29 | spheard | what does smp mean in terms of kernel configuration? |
| 12:31.32 | abrotman | !smp |
| 12:31.33 | dpkg | smp is, like, (Symmetric Multi Processing) This refers to a technology where a computer uses multiple processors to process different instructions at the same time, in separate processing units. It is a form of parallel computing. or Single Member Plurality, which is the Canadian electoral system., or rtfm! http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/SMP-HOWTO.html, or the right option for Hyperthreaded Pentium 4's, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symmetric_multiprocessing |
| 12:31.44 | jelly | itai1234: sorry, I gotta go, be back in about an hour |
| 12:31.48 | abrotman | also .. compiled into all debian kernels now |
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| 12:32.12 | itai1234 | jelly, thanks for the help |
| 12:32.17 | spheard | abrotman, thanks |
| 12:32.18 | Lirezh | -t does it |
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| 12:32.30 | Lirezh | it looks like the fork command is not working because a tty is missing |
| 12:32.41 | jelly | itai1234: but the essence is to remove all the cruft, and use the ipw2200 that comes with linux-image-* from Debian |
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| 12:33.12 | itai1234 | jelly, will try that ...thanks |
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| 12:34.48 | kairu0 | i have an etch samba domain member server that is having a problem. if i log in, and then try to SU, it prompts me for the password twice (because it fails looking up "root" on the domain the 1st time.) how can i fix this? |
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| 12:35.40 | abrotman | kairu0: crappy answer .. put a root users on the PDC? :) |
| 12:35.48 | abrotman | kairu0: ask #samba for a better answr |
| 12:35.50 | abrotman | answer |
| 12:36.13 | abrotman | i can't imagine the samba docs don't cover that though |
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| 12:36.29 | kairu0 | abrotman, lol i'll pass on that :P |
| 12:36.43 | kairu0 | abrotman, no one is responding in #samba :( |
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| 12:37.25 | kairu0 | i think its more of a pam question, though. i put a "winbind sufficient" line in my pam.d common-auth before the unix pam stuff |
| 12:38.08 | abrotman | kairu0: they're a little slow .. but i usually get good answers |
| 12:38.18 | stew | i didn't think there was such a thing as a pdc anymore |
| 12:38.30 | kairu0 | stew, lol, what replaced the pdc? |
| 12:38.48 | stew | kairu0: several DC peers with none being 'P' |
| 12:38.51 | petemc | not everyone uses active directory |
| 12:39.04 | abrotman | and if you only have one ... |
| 12:39.05 | kairu0 | petemc, thank god |
| 12:39.32 | petemc | kairu0: its actually pretty good, all things considered.. |
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| 12:53.00 | waspius | how can u search through a document for a word,phraze, which is opened in the konsole |
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| 12:53.36 | triplc | what program to run to deal with Wifi? I am using Etch, and now, I have a new Cisco/Aironet card. Synaptic give so many program relating to wifi, and google "debian wireless howto" is quite confusing (I am sorry, I never config wifi before). Please drop a hint which program to start with. I tries wifi-radar, wireless-tools, kwifimanager... but it looks like I cannot get it start. |
| 12:53.44 | petemc | waspius: how is it opened? |
| 12:53.51 | waspius | petemc: with nano |
| 12:53.52 | liable | waspius: grep foo /path/to/doc |
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| 12:54.07 | Nesquick | can anyone could give me a good tutorial to install postfix with virtual domains support on debian etch? |
| 12:54.32 | liable | triplc: does a device show if you just do 'iwconfig' ?? |
| 12:54.43 | putridp | waspius: crtl-w |
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| 12:54.56 | liable | Nesquick: google postmix mail howoto |
| 12:55.09 | waspius | putridp: thank you |
| 12:55.10 | Nesquick | liable, postmix? |
| 12:55.15 | liable | heh |
| 12:55.21 | liable | typo |
| 12:55.28 | liable | that made me lol |
| 12:55.40 | Nesquick | liable, |
| 12:55.41 | triplc | liable: yes, after running iwconfig, the ifconfig show new interface: eth1 and wifi0. |
| 12:55.46 | Nesquick | i want a good tutorial... |
| 12:55.57 | liable | triplc: iwlist eth1 scan |
| 12:56.06 | liable | Nesquick: there is a good one, just google |
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| 12:57.00 | liable | well, look at that, the search words i said, and what is the first link? |
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| 12:57.06 | triplc | liable: I have run "iwlist wifi0 accesspoints" and it show 1 or 2 accesspoint |
| 12:57.09 | liable | http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html |
| 12:57.26 | triplc | liable: then I try to run "dhclient" <--- no luck |
| 12:57.27 | liable | triplc: and one is yours? |
| 12:57.35 | ma3x | what's the key for marillat |
| 12:57.45 | ma3x | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - |
| 12:57.53 | ma3x | what's that for? |
| 12:57.59 | ma3x | I need one for W: GPG error: http://www.debian-multimedia.org unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
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| 12:58.18 | triplc | liable: iwlist shows two and sometime one accesspoint, but I do not know how to get hook to it |
| 12:58.21 | Doat | ma3x: install debian-multimedia-keyring or something |
| 12:58.24 | putridp | §3§ |
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| 12:59.01 | ma3x | ok htanks |
| 12:59.03 | liable | triplc: iwconfig wifi0 essid "yourap" |
| 12:59.17 | Doat | oyure ewlcome |
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| 12:59.21 | liable | triplc: then run iwconfig again and see if it says its associated |
| 12:59.25 | nescius | hello, i would want to know something about deb packages, is there a way how to find instalation script? |
| 12:59.31 | triplc | liable: ok |
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| 12:59.47 | saintiss | hmm, is fsck infamous for actually *deleting* files? |
| 12:59.55 | stew | nescius: /var/lib/dpkg/info/packagename.{preinst,postinst} |
| 12:59.56 | SamuraiDio | how do i instal the kde applet sound-mixer? |
| 12:59.58 | triplc | I have to disconnect now (unplug the Ethernet, so that I can plug the Wifi in) |
| 13:00.00 | SamuraiDio | or other applets? |
| 13:00.01 | saintiss | not really my definition of "repairing" a file system |
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| 13:00.06 | triplc | liable: so is that all the steps needed? |
| 13:00.13 | liable | Nesquick: http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html << thats the one i was thinking of |
| 13:00.30 | liable | triplc: you dont need to unplug ethernet |
| 13:00.43 | triplc | liable: ah, it share the same PCMCIA |
| 13:00.50 | liable | http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ |
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| 13:00.57 | liable | Nesquick: ^^^^ that one sorry |
| 13:01.09 | triplc | liable: by the way, do you have a webpage about that? |
| 13:01.17 | liable | triplc: if its associated, then run dhclient |
| 13:01.24 | liable | triplc: nope, sorry |
| 13:01.24 | triplc | liable: ok |
| 13:01.43 | petemc | triplc: you could open that file a browser |
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| 13:02.58 | minus | Hi ppl! How do i Sync my clock? Its 2 minutes after. |
| 13:03.00 | cast | minus: ntpdate pool.ntp.org |
| 13:03.28 | nescius | why, o why does debian missing stuff like rpm.pbone.net?? and i also dont have the file called anything like packagename in that patch |
| 13:03.28 | cast | minus: that requires installing ntpdate pkg first :) |
| 13:03.45 | liable | haha |
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| 13:04.09 | minus | cast, ok :) |
| 13:04.12 | minus | Thx |
| 13:04.44 | streuner | !beer liable |
| 13:05.10 | liable | streuner: why thankyou :) |
| 13:05.25 | liable | i dont get anywhere near enough beer here |
| 13:05.40 | nescius | stew, but thank you anyway :) |
| 13:05.57 | kairu0 | liable, thats not what your mother tells me |
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| 13:06.40 | liable | kairu0: why say something like that? |
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| 13:07.09 | SamuraiDio | please? |
| 13:07.22 | cast | nescius: http://packages.debian.org not what you're looking for? |
| 13:07.23 | SamuraiDio | how do i install more applets on kde? |
| 13:08.04 | kairu0 | liable, just playing |
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| 13:09.20 | triplc | litage: hi, I am back with connection over Wifi. Thanks |
| 13:09.22 | stew | nescius: i'm not sure i understand what you are asking |
| 13:09.29 | solemnwarning | Can anyone help me configure dynamic DNS with dhcp3-server and bind9? |
| 13:09.38 | ChaosR | I have a problem. I bought an external 2.5" hd today, but it doesn't work on linux, more specific, it hangs when I try to access it (ls, konqueror) |
| 13:09.40 | nescius | cast, i am looking for scripts inside one specific package, i am planning to install iproute on a system which uses old route and i need to know that it will work unchanged after instalation, because if not, i have to go to cellar and work on that there, i simply want to be surre |
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| 13:09.44 | petemc | solemnwarning: theres a guide on debian-administration |
| 13:09.50 | solemnwarning | I can't see anything wrong with either config, but the DNS record isn't added and there is nothing in the logs |
| 13:09.57 | ChaosR | I tried formatting it, but that hangs too |
| 13:10.10 | liable | kairu0: if your playing, thats ok. it sounded pretty derogitory though, just be a bit carefull of what you say to some people. saying stuff about peoples mothers is generally not taken well |
| 13:10.12 | triplc | litage: As I read on Synaptic, there are kwifimanager, wifi-rada, etc etc. etc... well, so we do NOT use those "nice and good looking" tools? |
| 13:10.18 | solemnwarning | petemc: Already looked |
| 13:10.26 | solemnwarning | And I've had this configured several times before |
| 13:10.26 | triplc | liable: As I read on Synaptic, there are kwifimanager, wifi-rada, etc etc. etc... well, so we do NOT use those "nice and good looking" tools? |
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| 13:11.10 | kairu0 | liable, if you say "i can never get enough beer", then generally a joke is likely to follow. anyway, no offense or anything |
| 13:11.22 | triplc | liable: Anyway, as long as it work, it's ok, thanks for your help. |
| 13:11.24 | liable | triplc: they should work, but they also add an extra layer to debug if theres a problem. if you can get it working with the basic tolls, then try the gui ones. |
| 13:11.45 | liable | kairu0: no problem |
| 13:12.00 | microtux | hi everybody |
| 13:12.02 | sep | nescius, so you are looking for packages.debian.org since you can search for files in packages there. or just isntall and use apt-file |
| 13:12.14 | ChaosR | Please help me :(, ask questions if you need more informations |
| 13:12.24 | microtux | i have a Question about networking |
| 13:12.33 | abrotman | so ask already |
| 13:12.43 | tarzeau | i have an Answer about networking |
| 13:12.48 | microtux | my eth0 enter promicuous mode; how could make make it leave this mode? |
| 13:12.48 | abrotman | doubtful |
| 13:12.49 | abrotman | :) |
| 13:13.02 | tarzeau | microtux: stop whatever software is putting it into that mode? |
| 13:13.03 | abrotman | that doesn't happen by accident |
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| 13:13.14 | sep | microtux, are you running tcpdump ? or bridging ? |
| 13:13.22 | tarzeau | or iptraf or ngrep or? |
| 13:13.23 | microtux | abrotman, yes it wasn't by accident |
| 13:13.23 | xoz | sniffers |
| 13:13.26 | tarzeau | driftnet |
| 13:13.52 | sep | Micromus, just stop the process and it should leave promisc mode. |
| 13:13.59 | nescius | sep, thats not exactly my problem you see, i need to be sure that the router will work after this package, in my experience from rpm based distros, those system packages often alter configuration |
| 13:14.05 | microtux | ok i'll do that |
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| 13:14.17 | ChaosR | kairu0: yes, it is usb |
| 13:14.37 | sep | nescius, what package ? |
| 13:15.04 | kairu0 | ChaosR, how are the partitions set up on it? |
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| 13:15.32 | ChaosR | kairu0: sec |
| 13:16.07 | liable | HostilePenguin: log out of root for irc |
| 13:16.20 | nescius | sep, iproute, the machine is now containing route binary but i need to do some advenced routing in order to use seccond isp connection |
| 13:16.43 | ChaosR | liable: it doesn't popup in /dev/sd* |
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| 13:17.21 | liable | ChaosR: unplug it, plug it back in, paste dmesg |
| 13:17.22 | ChaosR | kairu0: it doesn't popup in /dev/sd* |
| 13:17.29 | sep | nescius, if you have configured the machine the debian way it should be ok |
| 13:17.46 | sep | nescius, if you do magic on your own. your basicaly .. on your own ;) |
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| 13:18.11 | nescius | sep, pardon? |
| 13:18.21 | aoirthoir | /join #ubuntu |
| 13:18.30 | liable | not thanks |
| 13:18.35 | liable | no* |
| 13:18.44 | ChaosR | liable: dmesg is big |
| 13:18.56 | nescius | all i need is to simply know what will the package alter which scripts will be runned, nothing hard for rpm |
| 13:19.00 | liable | ChaosR: just the last bit, 50 lines will do |
| 13:19.10 | ChaosR | liable: pastebin? |
| 13:19.15 | liable | yes |
| 13:19.43 | nescius | sep, i dont want to be rude but i really didnt understand what you've said |
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| 13:21.09 | nescius | ok in simple talking, is there a chance that the iproute package changes a routing table in anyway? |
| 13:21.25 | nescius | i mean in instalation proces |
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| 13:21.42 | sep | you can check the iproute package config scripts ? |
| 13:22.02 | microtux | hi |
| 13:22.09 | sep | nescius, actauly it have nonoe |
| 13:22.23 | microtux | i think i don't have any software using the promiscuous mode |
| 13:22.45 | microtux | i used ethereal amnd removed it |
| 13:22.52 | sep | so no scripts that do nothing when installed. it's just a set of files http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=iproute&version=stable&arch=i386 |
| 13:22.56 | nescius | sep, perfect! thats what i wanted to know! i am really sorry for bother you, thanks for your help! |
| 13:23.03 | microtux | eth0 is still in promiscuous mode |
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| 13:23.31 | microtux | it enter this mode when debian starts |
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| 13:24.13 | sep | you have ntop installed ? |
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| 13:24.25 | ma3x | when I chroot to my sid chroot it says (etch32)root@ma3x:/ |
| 13:24.31 | ma3x | how do I change the etch32 to sid? |
| 13:24.32 | microtux | tarzeau, r u here |
| 13:24.40 | tarzeau | microtux: yes |
| 13:24.44 | microtux | sep, ntop? |
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| 13:24.50 | microtux | tarzeau, so? |
| 13:25.11 | sep | Micromus, iirc ntop starts at boot and would use promisc mode |
| 13:25.25 | waspius | can someone tell me whether amsn connects directly to msn or whether its conncetion is indirect like in kopete? |
| 13:25.36 | microtux | sep, i don't have ntop installed |
| 13:25.50 | tarzeau | microtux: ethereal puts it in promisc too |
| 13:25.59 | microtux | and i removed it |
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| 13:26.01 | tarzeau | microtux: you can use ifconfig to change that mode too.. but usually don't have to |
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| 13:26.06 | sep | Micromus, well you obviously have some tool installed that puts it in promisc mode on boot |
| 13:26.28 | ma3x | where do you change the shell prompt name? |
| 13:26.29 | sep | Micromus, try running ps aux |
| 13:26.37 | ma3x | my chroot used to be etch |
| 13:26.38 | ma3x | I upgraded to sid |
| 13:26.42 | ma3x | it still says (etch32)root@ma3x:~# |
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| 13:26.45 | sep | if you dont understand it's output put it on a pastebin so we can help you |
| 13:26.46 | microtux | openvpn? may be? |
| 13:26.47 | ma3x | how do I change the etch32 name? |
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| 13:27.08 | sep | ma3x, is that the hostname of the chroot ? /etc/hostname /etc/mailname |
| 13:27.16 | microtux | ma3x, see $HOME/bashrc |
| 13:27.30 | microtux | ma3x, see $HOME/.bashrc |
| 13:27.39 | Meliorator | hi all, i'm getting an error trying to build an nic driver: http://pastebin.ca/502283 ...any ideas please? |
| 13:27.48 | Meliorator | s/an/a |
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| 13:27.56 | jelly | WTF is etch32? |
| 13:27.58 | ma3x | sep microtux its not there and not there |
| 13:28.03 | ma3x | jelly, the chroot |
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| 13:28.16 | ma3x | it used to be etch32, now I dist-upgraded it to sid32 |
| 13:28.19 | ma3x | but the name hasn't changed |
| 13:28.23 | jelly | ma3x: ah |
| 13:28.27 | jelly | !hostname |
| 13:28.27 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' |
| 13:28.27 | ma3x | and it's not in .bashrc |
| 13:28.29 | abrotman | ma3x: you set it |
| 13:28.33 | ma3x | jelly, no! the hostname is something else |
| 13:28.45 | jelly | ma3x: no, it's not |
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| 13:28.55 | abrotman | type hostname and check |
| 13:28.58 | jelly | ma3x: please echo "$PS1" |
| 13:28.58 | ma3x | jelly, yes it is! the hostname is sub.domain.tld |
| 13:29.04 | sep | ma3x, so check your prompt and figure out where it gets that value from |
| 13:29.09 | ma3x | ${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\u@\h:\w\$ |
| 13:29.19 | ma3x | sep, that's what im asking all the time |
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| 13:29.26 | ma3x | I've checked all those places /etc/hosntame ... and so on |
| 13:29.34 | ma3x | no etch32 in there, nor in .bashrc |
| 13:29.38 | jelly | ma3x: apparently it's da value of #debian_chroot :-) |
| 13:29.43 | abrotman | and wtf is $debian_chroot ? |
| 13:29.44 | ma3x | come on |
| 13:29.45 | jelly | $ |
| 13:29.50 | abrotman | eileen |
| 13:30.05 | ma3x | it's the output from echo "$PS1" |
| 13:30.06 | jelly | do-woop |
| 13:30.15 | ma3x | hackerish output jelly made me type |
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| 13:30.31 | abrotman | ma3x: echo $debian_chroot .. what do you get ? |
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| 13:30.40 | ma3x | abrotman, etch32 |
| 13:30.45 | ma3x | where does it get that from? |
| 13:30.47 | abrotman | !prize jelly |
| 13:30.47 | jelly | ma3x: type "debian_chroot=neo" ;-) |
| 13:30.51 | abrotman | !nopony ma3x |
| 13:30.51 | dpkg | ma3x: http://sc.tri-bit.com/images/2/23/pony.jpg |
| 13:31.04 | ma3x | abrotman, what do you give him prize for? |
| 13:31.08 | ma3x | he wasn't right |
| 13:31.25 | jelly | ma3x: for figuring out where etch32 comes from, in your prompt |
| 13:31.36 | ma3x | jelly, you didn't figure it out |
| 13:31.41 | abrotman | who did ... |
| 13:31.42 | jelly | PS1 variable is the definition of prompt |
| 13:31.45 | ma3x | abrotman, did |
| 13:31.52 | abrotman | !abrotman++ |
| 13:31.57 | abrotman | i can't give myself karma! |
| 13:31.58 | ma3x | ${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\u@\h:\w\$ |
| 13:32.02 | ma3x | that doesnt say etch32 |
| 13:32.05 | itai1234 | hello , people - can someone help me with my ipw2200 problem . i keep getting a modprob error "Error inserting ipw2200" |
| 13:32.05 | ma3x | :p |
| 13:32.17 | jelly | ma3x: it says ${debian_chroot} |
| 13:32.17 | ma3x | !abrotman---- |
| 13:32.19 | sep | ma3x do you have a $chroot/etc/debian_chroot ? |
| 13:32.19 | ChaosR | liable: pastebin is b0rken :/ |
| 13:32.36 | itai1234 | jelly, youre back... |
| 13:32.42 | jelly | itai1234: I am! |
| 13:32.44 | ma3x | !prize sep |
| 13:32.48 | itai1234 | good.... |
| 13:33.00 | abrotman | ma3x: that's not nice |
| 13:33.06 | jelly | itai1234: got anywhere with that wifi card module? |
| 13:33.14 | ma3x | abrotman, why not? I asked where to change it, and he gave the correct answer |
| 13:33.16 | itai1234 | jelly, afraid not |
| 13:33.25 | abrotman | ma3x: to take my karma ? |
| 13:33.38 | ma3x | abrotman, you deserved it! :p |
| 13:33.43 | abrotman | i did ? |
| 13:33.45 | itai1234 | i couldnt purge any package cause dpkg claimed they are all uninstalled |
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| 13:33.55 | ma3x | come on, that thing doesnt take any karma |
| 13:34.01 | ma3x | !karma |
| 13:34.02 | dpkg | ma3x has neutral karma |
| 13:34.06 | ma3x | !karma abrotman |
| 13:34.07 | dpkg | abrotman has karma of 30 |
| 13:34.11 | abrotman | i used to have more! |
| 13:34.24 | ma3x | neutral is the best! |
| 13:34.28 | ma3x | like switzerland! |
| 13:34.28 | wols | abrotman: you must have done something bad in your former life |
| 13:34.32 | wols | probably a windows user |
| 13:34.35 | abrotman | wols: and this one :) |
| 13:34.38 | ma3x | haha |
| 13:34.45 | jelly | itai1234: hmm. what does "find /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686 -name ipw2200.ko" say, is there only one file path shown, or more? |
| 13:35.18 | itai1234 | just one :/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/contrib/ipw2200/ipw2200.ko |
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| 13:36.09 | wols | itai1234: that's in the wrong place |
| 13:36.10 | jelly | itai1234: ho-hum, it should be in /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-k7/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2200.ko |
| 13:36.16 | wols | /kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2200.ko |
| 13:36.26 | jelly | itai1234: reinstall linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 13:36.41 | wols | itai1234: and delete that existing ipm2200.ko |
| 13:36.48 | wols | same for the ieee* module |
| 13:36.48 | ma3x | !karma wols |
| 13:36.49 | dpkg | wols has karma of 4 |
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| 13:37.01 | the_lord_laptop | Hi! |
| 13:37.03 | ma3x | hey abrotman see whats wols got |
| 13:37.04 | wols | ieee80211 |
| 13:37.12 | jelly | itai1234: before deleting it, try see if it's a part of a package: dpkg -S /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/contrib/ipw2200/ipw2200.ko |
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| 13:37.22 | niksie | Hi all |
| 13:37.30 | itai1234 | the installation said i need to reboot |
| 13:37.32 | niksie | what does /etc/fstab look like just after installing linux with raid and LVM |
| 13:37.36 | abrotman | ma3x: i think i've been here a bit longer than wols |
| 13:37.43 | niksie | I changed it and forgot what it used to be |
| 13:37.44 | the_lord_laptop | I'm having a little trouble installing debian |
| 13:37.44 | the_lord_laptop | the installer doesn't find the hard drive |
| 13:37.46 | jelly | itai1234: if there's an output like "package: ...", dpkg --purge that package |
| 13:37.47 | ma3x | abrotman, wols owns this channel |
| 13:37.48 | ChaosR | liable? |
| 13:37.52 | abrotman | ma3x: okay |
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| 13:38.01 | ma3x | he changed his nickname recently |
| 13:38.02 | jelly | itai1234: nah, you probably don't have to. |
| 13:38.03 | the_lord_laptop | but in the console I can even partition it |
| 13:38.03 | abrotman | ma3x: so if he asks you to leave .. will you ? |
| 13:38.06 | the_lord_laptop | please help |
| 13:38.11 | abrotman | ma3x: no he hasn't |
| 13:38.15 | jelly | itai1234: even though the wording is rather strong :-) |
| 13:38.21 | ChaosR | can someone else check my dmesg? |
| 13:38.21 | the_lord_laptop | anyone? |
| 13:38.22 | Nosf3ratu | bueller? |
| 13:38.23 | ma3x | abrotman, if he asks me to leave you, i'll slap you! |
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| 13:38.34 | jelly | hmm |
| 13:38.36 | jelly | anyone? |
| 13:38.36 | Nosf3ratu | bueller? |
| 13:38.42 | jelly | anyone |
| 13:38.43 | niksie | I pretty much only need to know the path to the device for the root LVM |
| 13:38.48 | niksie | s/LVM/LV/ |
| 13:38.57 | jelly | Nosf3ratu: that that off, please |
| 13:38.59 | SamuraiDio | how do i use true transparency on kde? |
| 13:39.04 | ma3x | !anyone |
| 13:39.04 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 13:39.05 | jelly | Nosf3ratu: turn that off, please |
| 13:39.08 | abrotman | ma3x: please .. go ahead |
| 13:39.29 | abrotman | SamuraiDio: you'd need a WM that supports alpha blending/compositing .. i'd guess |
| 13:39.50 | itai1234 | jelly, reinstalled the linux image and purged the ipw220 module |
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| 13:40.03 | jelly | itai1234: great, now do that find again |
| 13:40.04 | ma3x | hey abrotman are you using etch or sid? |
| 13:40.12 | the_lord_laptop | How do I make the installer realize that there is a hard drive??? |
| 13:40.22 | ChaosR | can someone check my dmesg to check the errors that appear when connecting my external hard drive |
| 13:40.28 | jelly | itai1234: it should show the module only in ... kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2200.ko |
| 13:40.51 | itai1234 | /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2200.ko |
| 13:40.57 | wols | the_lord_laptop: how are we supposed to look at your dmesg? hack your box and do it? |
| 13:40.58 | jelly | itai1234: if that is the case, run "depmod -a" (just to be sure), and try modprobing the module now |
| 13:41.04 | abrotman | ma3x: all the cool kids are on sarge |
| 13:41.07 | SamuraiDio | abrotman, on #kde they talked me about XCompmgr, but how do i install it on Deb? |
| 13:41.19 | jelly | abrotman: I'm on sarge! And lenny, and sid. |
| 13:41.29 | abrotman | SamuraiDio: i'd guess it's part of beryl or compiz .. not sure |
| 13:41.47 | ma3x | abrotman, why don't you upgrade? |
| 13:41.47 | jelly | !info xcompmgr |
| 13:41.58 | abrotman | ma3x: because i'm cool and you're not |
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| 13:42.08 | SamuraiDio | abrotman, no, they suggest it as an alternative to beryl to use transparency on kde |
| 13:42.13 | itai1234 | jelly when i do modprobe ipw2200 , i just get another # , is that a good sign? |
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| 13:42.21 | wols | itai1234: yes |
| 13:42.23 | abrotman | !find xcompmgr etch |
| 13:42.24 | the_lord_laptop | wols: how do I paste it? |
| 13:42.25 | jelly | itai1234: that's good |
| 13:42.27 | itai1234 | great |
| 13:42.28 | wols | itai1234: ifconfig -a |
| 13:42.30 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'xcompmgr' returned no results. |
| 13:42.33 | wols | !tell the_lord_laptop about paster |
| 13:42.35 | abrotman | !find xcompmgr sid |
| 13:42.43 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'xcompmgr' returned no results. |
| 13:42.53 | jelly | itai1234: last few lines in dmesg should show something about your card being detected |
| 13:42.55 | SamuraiDio | hmm... |
| 13:42.57 | ma3x | abrotman, if cool means playing with your sister, I'll get cool too! |
| 13:42.58 | itai1234 | wols, iTS THERE |
| 13:43.00 | sYnie | hello, is it possible to set a ethX to promisc mode using the /etc/network/interfaces file? |
| 13:43.04 | abrotman | SamuraiDio: seems to not be in debian .. though i don't use it so i'm nto really sure .. maybe ask #debian-kde |
| 13:43.11 | abrotman | ma3x: you're a fucktard .. have a nice day |
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| 13:43.23 | wols | abrotman: took you a long time to find out |
| 13:43.32 | jelly | itai1234: it ought to get loaded automatically after reboot |
| 13:43.32 | itai1234 | jelly, its detected! |
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| 13:43.37 | itai1234 | greatQ |
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| 13:43.45 | abrotman | wols: i already knew he was .. i was trying to be polite .. guess he'll get support elsewhere now |
| 13:43.50 | jelly | itai1234: well. that was the easy part :-D |
| 13:43.51 | SamuraiDio | abrotman, tnx |
| 13:43.57 | itai1234 | jelly, can you tell me what was my mistake? |
| 13:44.05 | wols | itai1234: now you need to associate with your AP :) |
| 13:44.18 | itai1234 | jelly, great thanks |
| 13:44.20 | wols | itai1234: m-a fucked with the installed ipw2200 |
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| 13:44.21 | wols | I guess |
| 13:44.24 | jelly | itai1234: missing firmware |
| 13:44.33 | wols | jelly: ipw2200.ko is not a missing firmware |
| 13:45.11 | jelly | wols: the reason for the module failing to load in the first place, is missing firmware. From there, he probably tried to build/install a newer version |
| 13:45.28 | wols | jelly: and overwrote the one shipping with the kernel |
| 13:45.31 | itai1234 | jelly, wols - sorry for the extreme noobie question , but never used wireless in my life - can i just connect to the internet like that , or do i need somethig else? |
| 13:45.31 | jelly | wols: right |
| 13:45.50 | wols | itai1234: you need wireless-tools |
| 13:45.56 | itai1234 | i have |
| 13:46.08 | itai1234 | apt-got them... |
| 13:46.09 | the_lord_laptop | wols: http://paste.debian.net/28572 |
| 13:46.09 | wols | itai1234: and figure out the settings for your AP, like encryption, key, etc |
| 13:46.24 | jelly | itai1234: you'll need to set up the card to be able to talk to your access point, it's a lot more of configuration |
| 13:46.33 | wols | the_lord_laptop: and your problem is? |
| 13:47.00 | the_lord_laptop | wols: the installer doesn't see there's a disk, but in console I can mess with it |
| 13:47.07 | the_lord_laptop | I even partitioned it |
| 13:47.32 | wols | hdb: WDC WD800BB-00JHC0, ATA DISK drive |
| 13:47.36 | jelly | itai1234: do you have wireless working on Windows? |
| 13:47.40 | wols | why is your CD hda and your disk hdb? |
| 13:48.06 | itai1234 | jelly, i dont have windows , but my friend connected to that wireless with a mac, and she didnt have to do anything |
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| 13:48.26 | itai1234 | jelly - i really never used wireless in my life! |
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| 13:48.37 | itai1234 | this is my first experience |
| 13:48.49 | the_lord_laptop | wols: don't know, it shouldn't matter at all |
| 13:49.12 | jelly | itai1234: I'd try #wireless |
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| 13:49.17 | wols | and it usually does not |
| 13:49.22 | xjih78 | hi everyone |
| 13:49.25 | wols | but what will happen is your CD drive will slow down the harddisk |
| 13:49.39 | the_lord_laptop | wols: yes, but the cd drive will never use it |
| 13:49.41 | xjih78 | i have 2 small problems |
| 13:49.41 | jelly | itai1234: my first experience was a bit painful... |
| 13:49.47 | the_lord_laptop | wols: so, what do I do? |
| 13:49.49 | Havis_ | hi. can I reinstall my debian system (which is on /dev/sda1, while I have encrpyted lvm on the /dev/sda2 ), will I loose data? |
| 13:49.53 | wols | the_lord_laptop: find out if the AP uses any encryption. and what its name is |
| 13:50.01 | itai1234 | jelly - is it always painful ? wireless on linux? |
| 13:50.04 | the_lord_laptop | AP? |
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| 13:50.12 | xjih78 | sound output is working but sound input isn't |
| 13:50.14 | wols | oops. should be itai1234 |
| 13:50.22 | wols | itai1234: very often it is |
| 13:50.26 | xjih78 | i tried on skype and other apps |
| 13:50.40 | itai1234 | it seemed painless on a mac ....i wonder why? |
| 13:50.49 | itai1234 | is it a drivers issue? |
| 13:50.52 | xjih78 | ~$ cat /dev/dsp |
| 13:51.04 | xjih78 | cat: /dev/dsp: Input/output error |
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| 13:51.09 | wols | itai1234: that is half yes. often very frustrating |
| 13:51.10 | rpc | is there a point in having relatively vig size of / filesystem? |
| 13:51.15 | rpc | big* |
| 13:51.17 | jelly | itai1234: depends on your setup I guess. you need to set up your access point, and your machine to matching configs, and you want your setup to be reasonably secure |
| 13:51.17 | wols | xjih78: oss is deprecated |
| 13:51.26 | WonderWal | hi, i installed debian recently. i need to load a module called "capability", doesnt seem debian shipped with it. what should i do? |
| 13:51.30 | solemnwarning | I can't get dynamic DNS with bind9 and dhcp3-server working |
| 13:51.35 | jelly | rpc: yes, if it's the only one? |
| 13:51.36 | itai1234 | jelly, what if i dont care about security? |
| 13:51.37 | WonderWal | that would be CONFIG_SECURITY_CAPABILITIES |
| 13:51.43 | WonderWal | in the kernel |
| 13:51.45 | rpc | jelly oh it's not |
| 13:51.50 | solemnwarning | I've done it before, but there's nothing in the logs, not even an error |
| 13:51.52 | xjih78 | wols, i have alsa and alsa-oss installed |
| 13:52.12 | wols | xjih78: lsmod |grep oss |
| 13:52.12 | rpc | jelly assuming that i got /root, /boot, /var, /usr and even /opt... any point in making / more than 1-2GB? |
| 13:52.17 | xjih78 | ~$ lsmod |grep oss |
| 13:52.22 | xjih78 | snd_pcm_oss 38368 0 |
| 13:52.22 | xjih78 | snd_mixer_oss 15200 1 snd_pcm_oss |
| 13:52.23 | xjih78 | snd_pcm 68676 5 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss |
| 13:52.23 | xjih78 | snd 47012 12 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer |
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| 13:52.23 | jelly | rpc: is /tmp there? |
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| 13:52.29 | xjih78 | sorry about that |
| 13:52.32 | rpc | jelly hm i will add /tmp too |
| 13:52.37 | rpc | (good point) |
| 13:52.41 | jelly | rpc: then no :-) |
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| 13:52.49 | stew | !tell xjih78 about paste |
| 13:52.51 | rpc | jelly so basically NO stuff gets written to / |
| 13:53.05 | WonderWal | anyone? |
| 13:53.06 | jelly | rpc: dpkg will write there, sometimes :-) |
| 13:53.06 | Nosf3ratu | bueller? |
| 13:53.07 | WonderWal | :( |
| 13:53.07 | rpc | mostly /var and /tmp i believe |
| 13:53.23 | jelly | Nosf3ratu: ferris is not here |
| 13:53.24 | rpc | jelly isn't it /var where dpkg writes stuff? |
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| 13:54.03 | xjih78 | http://paste.debian.net/28575 |
| 13:54.07 | jelly | rpc: installing packages can put stuff in eg. /etc, /bin, /sbin |
| 13:54.08 | xjih78 | there it is |
| 13:54.27 | rpc | jelly mhm... so perhaps it would nice to have like 8GB / |
| 13:54.30 | rpc | after all.. |
| 13:54.40 | jelly | rpc: is it going to be a mutliuser machine? |
| 13:54.45 | rpc | jelly not really |
| 13:54.58 | rpc | jelly and i'm just remaking one of the boxes - trying to break all the rules i set so far he he |
| 13:54.59 | jelly | rpc: I wouldn't go with a lot of partitions, then |
| 13:55.26 | rpc | jelly well then i will cut on /usr and /opt |
| 13:55.27 | jelly | rpc: probably /, /home, and /var ... I like separate /var :-) |
| 13:55.32 | sohmestra | rpc: it's really not necessary. I do pretty well with a 512MB / partition |
| 13:55.40 | rpc | sohmestra hm |
| 13:55.50 | rpc | that's what i really wanted to hear he he |
| 13:56.01 | jelly | rpc, sohmestra: esp. if you have /boot |
| 13:56.06 | rpc | i do |
| 13:56.20 | sohmestra | rpc: /usr/ needs to be fairly large, and perhaps /var, depending on what you are doing |
| 13:56.33 | itai1234 | gotta go - THANKS AGAIN FOR ALL YOUR HELP!!! |
| 13:56.36 | sohmestra | rpc: it's always a good idea to have a separate /tmp |
| 13:56.48 | rpc | sohmestra just estimating my /usr on that box to see how much it grown during past months |
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| 13:56.54 | rpc | hm ~1GB |
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| 13:57.08 | abrotman | Nosf3ratu: TURN IT OFF |
| 13:57.12 | rpc | hm yes /tmp will be separated |
| 13:57.26 | rpc | sohmestra, jelly: how about primary versus extented partitions? what is the basic diff? |
| 13:57.37 | liable | abrotman: what? caps lock? |
| 13:57.42 | rpc | should i make some of those primary and others not? or doesn't really matter |
| 13:58.00 | sohmestra | rpc: you are limited to 4 primary paritions |
| 13:58.05 | rpc | so i far i always had just 4 primaries plus swap |
| 13:58.06 | jelly | rpc: of you only have linux, it doesn't really matter. Keep /boot primary |
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| 13:58.40 | rpc | ok so i will use my primaries for /boot, /root, /var and hm |
| 13:58.47 | rpc | and rest extended |
| 13:58.47 | jelly | rpc: it's a remnant of MS-DOS' "4 partitions should be enough for everybody" |
| 13:58.48 | WonderWal | hi, i installed debian recently. i need to load a module called "capability", doesnt seem debian shipped with it. what should i do? |
| 13:58.57 | rpc | jelly he he yeah |
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| 13:59.30 | stew | WonderWal: what is "capability"? |
| 13:59.30 | jelly | rpc: eh, you only can have 3 primaries anyway (the fourth is used for the "extended partition" which contains the logical ones) |
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| 13:59.43 | rpc | jelly hm |
| 13:59.47 | sohmestra | rpc: you could use LVM - then you could easily resize partitions to suit your needs. |
| 13:59.51 | stew | jelly: you can have 4 primaries |
| 13:59.51 | jelly | WonderWal: what do you need it for? |
| 14:00.03 | jelly | stew: I know |
| 14:00.12 | rpc | sohmestra is it really safe to use that? |
| 14:00.12 | stew | "you only can have 3 primaries" |
| 14:00.29 | WonderWal | jelly: java daemon jsvc. |
| 14:00.33 | jelly | stew: ... and the rest? |
| 14:00.50 | stew | jelly: what do you mean? you said you can only have 3 primaries, but you can have 4 primaries |
| 14:00.59 | WonderWal | the kernel conf setting is CONFIG_SECURITY_CAPABILITIES |
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| 14:01.21 | sohmestra | rpc: sure. I use it on all my installs. in other words "it works for me." |
| 14:01.27 | rpc | OR is there an easy way to split a big / into a few partitions now? |
| 14:01.29 | stew | WonderWal: the debian kerenels ahve this compiled into the kenrel |
| 14:01.30 | jelly | WonderWal: Debian's kernel have default Linux capabilities compiled in |
| 14:01.40 | wols | WonderWal: and debian has it |
| 14:01.44 | wols | WonderWal: compiled in |
| 14:01.46 | stew | WonderWal: "grep CONFIG_SECURITY_CAPABILITIES /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 14:01.54 | rpc | sohmestra i used to use lvm in the past but it was years ago and i remember there was something tricky to look after.. |
| 14:02.14 | sohmestra | rpc: well, you can't have /boot on lvm |
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| 14:02.38 | jelly | stew: ... he can only have 3 if there be any logical partitions |
| 14:02.39 | sohmestra | rpc: but aside from that, it's pretty straightforward |
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| 14:03.12 | WonderWal | didnt know that file existed! thanks guys |
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| 14:03.29 | xjih78 | wols, so i need to unload a module? |
| 14:03.36 | rpc | sohmestra mhm |
| 14:03.44 | wols | xjih78: why unload? |
| 14:04.03 | wols | snd_pcm_oss is loaded so /dev/dsp should work |
| 14:04.07 | sohmestra | rpc: anyway, with LVM you can just do one big partition, and as many logical volumes (virtual partitions, essentially) as you like |
| 14:04.49 | xjih78 | ~$ cat /dev/dsp |
| 14:04.52 | xjih78 | cat: /dev/dsp: Input/output error |
| 14:04.52 | rill | who used kde4 snapshot? |
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| 14:05.04 | lipstick_ | how dose the public key crypto stuff go about creating the "session key" ? |
| 14:05.09 | wols | xjih78: alsa work? |
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| 14:05.10 | lipstick_ | anyone know PKI pretty well? |
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| 14:05.34 | wols | lipstick_: session key for what session? |
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| 14:05.34 | jelly | WonderWal: is that some sort of a wrapper for java apps? |
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| 14:05.37 | rpc | sohmestra sounds good but still i'm a bit worried |
| 14:05.39 | lipstick_ | wols, anything |
| 14:05.45 | lipstick_ | wols, ssl etc etc |
| 14:06.07 | xjih78 | wols, only the output. |
| 14:06.17 | jelly | WonderWal: I currently use Java Wrapper (wrapper.tanukisoftware.org) |
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| 14:06.42 | _ruser_ | hrm... how can i rerun grub install from teh install dvd.. I've installed debian and then windows, and windows wrote itself into mbr, now need to rerun rubinstall, rescue mode on DVD just drops into installer, and if you choose install grub into mbr, it complains about the system not being installed |
| 14:06.48 | lipstick_ | wols, |
| 14:07.52 | chemaja | they made gnome-terminal tabs movable... but forgot gnome-panel's Window List applet :( |
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| 14:09.37 | wols | lipstick_: a session key is created from public and secret key |
| 14:09.49 | lipstick_ | yes ok |
| 14:09.51 | lipstick_ | but... |
| 14:09.58 | lipstick_ | how dose the keys get there |
| 14:10.10 | wols | what keys? |
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| 14:10.19 | lipstick_ | public and secret |
| 14:10.21 | wols | the session keys are generated from public and secret key |
| 14:10.33 | lipstick_ | this is hard to explain |
| 14:10.35 | wols | for PKI to work the one generating the keys has to give out the public ones to everyone |
| 14:10.38 | wols | it's how PKI works |
| 14:10.46 | lipstick_ | yes |
| 14:10.51 | lipstick_ | but,,, |
| 14:11.03 | klim_ | hi, when making two or more copying jobs to the nfs mount directory is very slow, but making one copy works just fine. what could be the problem? |
| 14:11.13 | spheard | I want to install my recently compiled kernel but I get "make: *** No rule to make target `install'. Stop." can anyone point me in the right direction? |
| 14:11.18 | klim_ | there seem to be a problem with network io |
| 14:11.24 | lipstick_ | how dose the client with the public cert decrpyt info sent from the server with the private cert? |
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| 14:11.28 | kth`` | _ruser_, ctrl-alt-f2 or f3 and (iirc)run grub-install |
| 14:11.28 | wols | !tell spheard about kp mantra |
| 14:11.36 | wols | spheard: you do never ever use make install in debian |
| 14:11.44 | wols | not with a kernel or anything else |
| 14:12.02 | lipstick_ | wols |
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| 14:12.06 | wols | lipstick_: by using the public key |
| 14:12.06 | spheard | wols:okay, Im fairly new with deb, whats the drill? |
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| 14:12.22 | wols | spheard: kp mantra just told you |
| 14:12.29 | lipstick_ | wols, so the public key can decrypt what is sent from the server using the private key? |
| 14:12.30 | wols | !tell spheard about kernel-package |
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| 14:12.42 | lipstick_ | wols, what if a attacker gets the public cert ? |
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| 14:12.45 | wols | lipstick_: of course. and vice versa |
| 14:12.50 | lipstick_ | then he can decrpt |
| 14:12.57 | wols | lipstick_: everyone gets the public cert. always |
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| 14:13.09 | wols | that's why it's public |
| 14:13.16 | lipstick_ | you mean then he can only decrypt half the convo ? |
| 14:13.17 | wols | no he cannot |
| 14:13.21 | lipstick_ | what? |
| 14:13.26 | wols | he cannot decrypt |
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| 14:13.39 | wols | I encrypt something with the public key and send it to the server |
| 14:13.47 | sohmestra | lipstick_: only the private key can decrypt something encrypted by the public key |
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| 14:13.58 | wols | the server answers with encrypting via session key |
| 14:14.14 | wols | you are server, I am client |
| 14:14.22 | lipstick_ | wols, then how dose the client get the session key? |
| 14:14.41 | sohmestra | lipstick_: the client generated it |
| 14:14.53 | lipstick_ | then how dose the server know the key |
| 14:15.01 | lipstick_ | generated by the client |
| 14:15.04 | wols | I select a random key. encrypt that key with public cert and send it. the server decrypts it and now has the random sessin key |
| 14:15.06 | sohmestra | lipstick_: the client generates it, encrypts it with the public key, and sends it to the server |
| 14:15.09 | lipstick_ | so how it sent it secretly |
| 14:15.21 | wols | so the attacker cannot decrypt since the session key never travels in the clear ever |
| 14:15.31 | lipstick_ | umm... |
| 14:15.34 | sohmestra | lipstick_: the server, is able to decrypt it, then uses the session key, which the client knows, for further encryption |
| 14:15.46 | wols | and the attacker has no secret key needed to decrypt the message I sent to the server |
| 14:15.53 | lipstick_ | dose the session key have anything to do with hardware? |
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| 14:16.07 | wols | if the attacer has access to my machine before the key gets encrypted (windows trojan) then the encryption is broken |
| 14:16.12 | sohmestra | lipstick_: no. |
| 14:16.18 | lipstick_ | softnoel, you sure?? |
| 14:16.23 | wols | but then I basically am the attacker in which case no TLS ever can save you |
| 14:16.34 | lipstick_ | like something like todo with the net card softnoel ? |
| 14:16.37 | wols | nothing to do with hardware. they are just random |
| 14:16.43 | wols | no it does not |
| 14:16.47 | lipstick_ | k |
| 14:17.24 | wols | neiter public, secret or session key are in any way hardware dependent |
| 14:17.31 | wols | they better not be or they wouldn't be random |
| 14:17.42 | lipstick_ | huh? |
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| 14:17.52 | lipstick_ | neiter public, secret or session key are in any way hardware dependent ?? |
| 14:17.58 | wols | no |
| 14:18.02 | wols | why would they? |
| 14:18.02 | lipstick_ | what |
| 14:18.05 | lipstick_ | you said that |
| 14:18.06 | spheard | wols: so the accepted manner is to package it into a deb then install it that way, this is my first (maybe last) kernel compile so please excuse my dumb questions |
| 14:18.16 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 14:18.17 | dpkg | <abrotman> Phated: i just got 10 inches the other night |
| 14:18.29 | wols | spheard: yes. it has the grat advantage that you can easily upgrade or uninstall it when it's a deb |
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| 14:18.59 | Talaturen | Hello, is it possible to see everything you've installed with apt-get? |
| 14:19.10 | spheard | wols: will that sort things out with the bootloader as well? or will I have to configure by hand |
| 14:19.15 | tarzeau | Talaturen: /var/log/dpkg.log or dpkg -l | grep ^ii ? |
| 14:19.21 | wols | spheard: has nothing to do with bootloader |
| 14:19.37 | tarzeau | Talaturen: or history | grep apt-get |
| 14:19.45 | wols | spheard: wo what do you mean? the .deb will edit your menu.lst properly via /sbin/update-grub |
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| 14:20.23 | spheard | wols: Thats exactly what I mean. doesnt seem to be grub tho :-S |
| 14:20.50 | wols | lilo will be upgraded too.unless you run something like a macbook, those are your two choices |
| 14:20.53 | wols | so either it is |
| 14:21.04 | wols | s/upgraded/updated |
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| 14:21.13 | Talaturen | tarzeau, that didn't really help me |
| 14:21.20 | spheard | slo? |
| 14:21.24 | spheard | silo? |
| 14:21.25 | Talaturen | c-f5f472d5:/home/talaturen# history | grep apt-get -> 7 apt-get installed |
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| 14:21.41 | Talaturen | just says how many, not what I've installed |
| 14:22.00 | wols | spheard: what arch? |
| 14:22.06 | spheard | sparc |
| 14:22.06 | wols | ah, sparc |
| 14:22.29 | tarzeau | Talaturen: check the other two commands? |
| 14:22.31 | wols | Talaturen: under etch, /var/log/dpkg.log does |
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| 14:22.50 | Talaturen | wols, that shows lots of other things too, isn't it possible to just see what I have installed atm? |
| 14:23.00 | wols | Talaturen: dpkg -l |
| 14:23.10 | wols | Talaturen: dpkg -l |grep ii |
| 14:23.41 | Talaturen | thanks |
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| 14:25.07 | wykis | Hello, how to list all installed packages in decreasing order of size? |
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| 14:25.19 | wykis | (from the installed package list) |
| 14:26.01 | wols | wykis: even if you could see this, it won't really help. big things like TeX for example consist of many, many, many small single packages |
| 14:26.08 | stew | wykis: install grep-dctrl ; "man grep-dctrl" ; listing pacakges by installed size is one of the examples |
| 14:26.08 | sn0 | wykis http://people.debian.org/~dburrows/aptitude-doc/en/ch02s04s01.html maybe |
| 14:26.23 | lipstick_ | so you sure wols, it is in no way hardware dependent? |
| 14:26.25 | sn0 | ah nice app stew |
| 14:26.26 | wykis | thanks people :] |
| 14:26.38 | wols | lipstick_: what makes you think it is? |
| 14:27.01 | wols | some hardware latencies might be used to create truly random numbers, but that's about it. Are you doin homework? |
| 14:27.30 | wols | but those hardware latencies are not dependent on the hardware. any hardware would do. e.g it doesn't matter which NIC or CPU or disk you have |
| 14:27.38 | stew | something tells me you guys have different ideas of what 'hardware dependent' is meaning here |
| 14:27.46 | lipstick_ | wols, I was told it was |
| 14:27.47 | xjih78 | wols, i also run alsaconf to see if something was wrong with the configuration |
| 14:27.54 | xjih78 | same sh... |
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| 14:28.31 | wols | lipstick_: the point is: those keys must be created from random numbers. that means it cannot be dependent on anything since it must be random |
| 14:28.33 | appelza | hi asl? |
| 14:28.34 | appelza | wanna cyb0r? |
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| 14:28.47 | wols | radnom things mustn't be dependent on anything directly or they aren't random |
| 14:29.23 | lipstick_ | wols, why random? |
| 14:29.23 | stew | wols: and how you generate a random number is hardware dependent, and therefore never truely random |
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| 14:29.24 | wols | cause otherwise an attacker has a higher chance of reconstructing the key |
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| 14:29.50 | wols | stew: it is random is you use for example the LSB of a DAC |
| 14:29.51 | lipstick_ | wols, dose it have anything to do with the actual session (like sockets etc) |
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| 14:29.51 | wols | you discard the rest and only use the LSB over time |
| 14:29.57 | wols | lipstick_: same answer. mustn't |
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| 14:30.12 | lipstick_ | wols, huh? |
| 14:30.36 | wols | otherwise the attacker could look at the ffox code for example and also look at the ports sending and receiving and tailor the attack accordingly |
| 14:30.48 | stew | but anyway, i still thinjk that lipstick is thinking of something completely different |
| 14:30.49 | wols | lipstick_: are you sure it's not homework you are asking here? |
| 14:30.58 | lipstick_ | heh |
| 14:31.05 | stew | lipstick_: what part of the process do you think is hardware dependent? |
| 14:31.06 | wols | stew: then what is he thinking about. all he says to me is "huh" all the time... |
| 14:31.15 | stew | wols: then stop guess |
| 14:31.16 | stew | ing |
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| 14:31.30 | lipstick_ | steve, something to do with the keys and that specific session |
| 14:31.49 | stew | lipstick_: you'll need to be more specific than "somehting to do with the keys" if we are to have a meaningful discussion |
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| 14:32.18 | Southern | Hi :) |
| 14:32.18 | lipstick_ | stew, umm... |
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| 14:32.35 | _ruser_ | is it normal that my partition numbering is fucked up after windows install? it seems like everything has shifted by 1 for the grub. |
| 14:33.16 | wols | _ruser_: not usually. what happened? windows has no partition sda1 and the rest all changed? |
| 14:33.26 | lipstick_ | stew, are there some parts that could be hardware dependent? |
| 14:33.47 | stew | lipstick_: which? |
| 14:33.53 | lipstick_ | stew, any |
| 14:34.04 | stew | lipstick_: i run ssh without any specialized hardware on several platforms |
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| 14:34.31 | wols | stew: btw, do you think /dev/random is not truly random? |
| 14:34.36 | lipstick_ | stew, yes, but dose your keys have anyting to do with *your* hardware |
| 14:34.44 | stew | lipstick_: no |
| 14:34.49 | wols | lipstick_: if they do his TLS implementation is broken |
| 14:34.49 | Kyral_Laptop | No random number generator on a cpu is truly random |
| 14:34.50 | lipstick_ | how sure are you? |
| 14:34.56 | stew | lipstick_: postitive |
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| 14:35.09 | lipstick_ | wols, in what way can TLS be broken? |
| 14:35.10 | Kyral_Laptop | can anyone point me to a good howto on how to install Kolab? |
| 14:35.15 | wols | Kyral_Laptop: why is why /dev/random doesn't use a generator but I/O latencies? |
| 14:35.17 | tosh| | any pointers to good gigabit PCI NICs? US robotics has one with a binary driver but im unsure whether I should buy it, same thing goes for belkin. anyone got any good experiences with those cards under 2.6? |
| 14:35.22 | _ruser_ | wols: i installed lenny (may 14th dvd build) then i installed windows.. ofcourse windows overwrote mbr, so i rebooted with the dvd rerun grub-install. when i rebooted after that grub was trying to use rootfs=/dev/sda6 which is the old one. however when trying to use this it wouldn't mount so i edited during boot to point to /dev/sda5 and that worked. i have no clue why |
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| 14:35.27 | Kyral_Laptop | wols: Dunno I jumped into the convo |
| 14:35.30 | wols | tosh|: intel |
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| 14:36.11 | tosh| | wols I know from work they are very good but they cost like 5 times more |
| 14:36.21 | wols | lipstick_: so far, if the implementation is secure: brute force |
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| 14:36.40 | wols | tosh|: sure. you can get a realtek, or you can get an intel |
| 14:36.47 | wols | price difference is about right there |
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| 14:37.07 | tosh| | I don't trust realtek :) |
| 14:37.09 | tosh| | or dlink for that matter |
| 14:37.18 | wols | and I wouldn't ever buy something for linux which needs binary only drivers if something else is available |
| 14:37.27 | Kyral_Laptop | mkay...why is tzdata not upgrading |
| 14:37.32 | _ruser_ | wols: furthermore the windows was supposed to be on /dev/sda8 and now /dev/sda8 doesn't even exist |
| 14:37.34 | wols | I don#t trust binary drivers even when I sometimes need them (nvidia) |
| 14:38.28 | wols | _ruser_: where is windows now then? |
| 14:38.40 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 14:38.50 | HardDisk_WP | how long would a full apt-build world take? |
| 14:39.05 | wols | HardDisk_WP: does not exist. a long time therefore |
| 14:39.15 | tosh| | wols true |
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| 14:39.38 | _ruser_ | wols: looks like on /dev/sda6 |
| 14:39.38 | wols | and what you say is totally meaningless: some people sun only a LAMP server, others run a full blown develoepr desktop with LAMP, gnome, kde, X, TeX and god knows what else |
| 14:39.40 | HardDisk_WP | wols, so I guess some weeks? |
| 14:40.02 | wols | HardDisk_WP: do a gentoo install. then you will know. it's the same source |
| 14:40.12 | stew | HardDisk_WP: that is very hardware dependent, of course. and probably a waste of time |
| 14:40.15 | Kyral_Laptop | tzdata won't upgrade |
| 14:40.28 | Kyral_Laptop | I wonder why... |
| 14:40.38 | stew | Kyral_Laptop: /msg dpkg bat |
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| 14:41.19 | wols | stew: what is the replacement for tzconfig or how to change timezone in sid now that there is no tzconfig? |
| 14:41.28 | stew | wols: tzsetup |
| 14:41.36 | wols | thanks |
| 14:41.41 | stew | wols: err tzselect |
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| 14:42.10 | wols | dpkg: tzconfig is also tzselect under sid |
| 14:42.10 | dpkg | wols: that's too long |
| 14:42.27 | Kyral_Laptop | http://paste.debian.net/28576 |
| 14:42.34 | _ruser_ | wols: any ideas? |
| 14:42.37 | h3sp4wn | HardDisk_WP: Probably a day or so (7am - 11pm) (that is how long gentoo takes on the hardware I have with the apps I use) - can get down to about 5 hours with ccache - (2gb ram dual core athlon x2 3800) |
| 14:42.45 | Kyral_Laptop | Only pulling from stable/testing main/contrib |
| 14:42.48 | wols | Rusty1: sorry no. doesn't make much sense |
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| 14:43.25 | Rusty1 | wols ? |
| 14:43.27 | HardDisk_WP | cpu[1 x AMD Athlon(tm) XP 3000+ @ 2.17GHz w/ 512 KB L2 Cache] |
| 14:43.37 | HardDisk_WP | h3sp4wn, i guess with that cpu it 'd take longer |
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| 14:43.54 | h3sp4wn | HardDisk_WP: The only apps I can think of (I am sure there are more) that would benefit are imlib2 (if you are on amd64 arch) and mplayer |
| 14:44.14 | stew | HardDisk_WP: you are not going to find real answers here, becuase i don't think anybody actually does what you are proposing, since it's generally a waste of time |
| 14:44.22 | HardDisk_WP | k |
| 14:44.31 | wols | h3sp4wn: do you think? can mplayer h.264? |
| 14:44.41 | stew | HardDisk_WP: there is already cpu specific kernels and libc6, install those and you'll get most of the benefits |
| 14:45.29 | HardDisk_WP | stew, i run a homebrew kernel...but not a homebrew libc6 |
| 14:45.35 | HardDisk_WP | thx for the hint |
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| 14:46.17 | stew | HardDisk_WP: I am not saying that you should homebrew libc6, i'm saying you should install libc6-686 |
| 14:46.21 | wols | HardDisk_WP: but debian has i686 libc6 |
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| 14:46.37 | stew | err, yeah libc6-i686 |
| 14:46.39 | Kyral_Laptop | Is there anyway I can skip the install of tzdata for now? |
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| 14:46.53 | stew | Kyral_Laptop: why don't you want tzdata installed? |
| 14:47.04 | Kyral_Laptop | stew: Because its erroring out on upgrade |
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| 14:47.09 | Kyral_Laptop | http://paste.debian.net/28576 |
| 14:47.16 | wols | what error exaclty? paste? |
| 14:47.43 | geekbr | how i can monitore a ssh login with the screen ? |
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| 14:48.32 | stew | Kyral_Laptop: have you checked the bts? |
| 14:48.37 | Kyral_Laptop | no.. |
| 14:48.42 | Kyral_Laptop | it worked yesterday :P |
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| 14:49.39 | stew | Kyral_Laptop: use yesterday's version or a version newer than the one you are trying to install |
| 14:49.44 | h3sp4wn | wols: Mine can play h 264 - With the debian-multimedia package - I can have post processing set on 3 (and smooth) with the options checked for my hardware and built from source I can have it on 6 |
| 14:49.51 | stew | Kyral_Laptop: /msg dpkg hold |
| 14:49.57 | stew | Kyral_Laptop: /msg dpkg bts |
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| 14:50.20 | wols | h3sp4wn: just checking since h.264 was the only one I can think of that would benefit with current CPUs |
| 14:50.43 | rique | hello, guys |
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| 14:51.39 | rique | I'm a new Debian user and use a notebook with 256Mb of memory... I really need some free space in my system. How could I do thatw |
| 14:51.40 | stew | Kyral_Laptop: or debug the postinst, by editing /var/lib/dpkg/info/tzdata.postinst and adding "set -x" as the second line |
| 14:51.41 | rique | ? |
| 14:51.59 | stew | rique: can you be more specific? |
| 14:52.24 | rique | stew, i need to get some free memory |
| 14:52.39 | wols | rique: paste your "free" output in a pastebin |
| 14:52.48 | wols | and a "ps aux" output too |
| 14:52.56 | stew | rique: what does "free | sed -n 3p" return? |
| 14:53.23 | geekbr | how i can monitore a ssh login with the screen ? |
| 14:53.35 | Kyral_Laptop | stew: Nada |
| 14:53.59 | stew | Kyral_Laptop: what does that mean? |
| 14:54.10 | Kyral_Laptop | stew: Adding it to postinst did nothing |
| 14:54.35 | stew | Kyral_Laptop: it should have made a lot more info come out, and would tell you specifically what in the postinst was failing |
| 14:54.38 | petemc | geekbr: you mean see what someone who is logged in via ssh is doing? |
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| 14:54.48 | stew | Kyral_Laptop: pastebin the output of "dpkg --configure -a" after making this change |
| 14:54.53 | wols | geekbr: tail -f /var/log/auth.log|grep ssh |
| 14:55.09 | spheard | in my /boot directory there is a boot/ folder, in tha 01483 212960 |
| 14:55.18 | spheard | whoops, sory |
| 14:55.20 | Kyral_Laptop | Yah I just purged the cache so... :P |
| 14:55.25 | the_lord_laptop | how do I tell the debian installer to auto-install in a specific drive? |
| 14:55.59 | sepski | the_lord_laptop, use a preseed file |
| 14:56.12 | spheard | wols: just want to check, "make-kpkg clean" should be my puppy? |
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| 14:56.24 | wols | spheard: for what? |
| 14:56.35 | spheard | installing the kernel |
| 14:56.40 | wols | spheard: no |
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| 14:56.49 | rique | stew, wols my system is slowwwww.... I want to run a "minimal" system, so I have more free space |
| 14:56.50 | wols | man make-kpkg |
| 14:56.51 | versaffer | is it possible to mount a cpio archive to loop? |
| 14:57.13 | wols | rique: you still haven't done what I asked you |
| 14:57.23 | wols | rique: and what desktop environment are you running? |
| 14:57.34 | rique | Gnome |
| 14:57.45 | wols | rique: there is your answer |
| 14:57.52 | stew | rique: what does "free | sed -n 3p" return? |
| 14:57.54 | wols | stop using it and don't think about kde either |
| 14:58.05 | joakim | go for fluxbox |
| 14:58.07 | Kyral_Laptop | stew: No msgs after dpkg --configure -a |
| 14:58.08 | joakim | or blackbox |
| 14:58.55 | wols | spheard: you install the kernel with dpkg btw |
| 14:58.57 | stew | Kyral_Laptop: then the problem is solved |
| 14:59.14 | Kyral_Laptop | stew: No it ain't...I run dist-upgrade and it still doesn't happen |
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| 14:59.21 | stew | something here doens't add up |
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| 14:59.54 | Kyral_Laptop | Maybe because I tried to hold it? |
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| 15:01.26 | Kyral_Laptop | or its already partially configured? |
| 15:01.26 | stew | Kyral_Laptop: if it were partially configured, --configure -a would finish configuring it, and dump a lot of commands from the postinst as it tries to do so |
| 15:01.26 | stew | Kyral_Laptop: what does "dpkg -l | awk '/tzdata/{print $1}'" return? |
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| 15:01.27 | Kyral_Laptop | stew: hF |
| 15:02.33 | rique | stew, -/+ buffers/cache: 196320 51440 |
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| 15:02.34 | stew | rique: so you have 51 megs of your 256 free |
| 15:02.34 | rique | =/ |
| 15:02.34 | rique | yes... |
| 15:02.36 | stew | rique: so i don't think that a lack of memory is the problem |
| 15:02.39 | rique | but when i open for example... Firefox everything runs too slow |
| 15:02.39 | versaffer | is it possible to mount a cpio archive to loop? |
| 15:02.45 | versaffer | 4 |
| 15:03.07 | wols | rique: I run windowmaker and firefox on a P2 300 with 128MB and it's ok tho noticeably slower than my desktop of course |
| 15:03.07 | joakim | Why does my system not boot with APIC enabled? |
| 15:03.09 | stew | Kyral_Laptop: if its in state F which is Failed-config, i dunno why 'dpkg --configure -a' would not try to configure it |
| 15:03.11 | wols | but RAM is not my issue |
| 15:03.15 | joakim | it just gives an error and becomes frustrated |
| 15:03.18 | joakim | then i turn it off, and it boots |
| 15:03.22 | joakim | ACPI works |
| 15:03.24 | joakim | but not APIC :( |
| 15:03.25 | stew | Kyral_Laptop: how about 'dpkg-reconfigure tzdata'? |
| 15:03.26 | rique | I would like to use a screen to select which enviroment the system will use before booting |
| 15:03.37 | wols | rique: install wdm |
| 15:03.42 | rique | wdm... |
| 15:03.52 | wols | and you can't do it before booting |
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| 15:03.57 | joakim | you can |
| 15:04.03 | joakim | but it requires a nice bootloader |
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| 15:04.17 | joakim | and some way to pass the parameters to the init scripts later on |
| 15:04.19 | stew | not really, it just requires two different runlevels |
| 15:04.20 | rique | ok... not before booting... but before loging in |
| 15:04.21 | Kyral_Laptop | stew: /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: tzdata is broken or not fully installed |
| 15:04.24 | konam_ | someone knows how to create a .deb package of a gtk/qt-theme? |
| 15:04.31 | stew | Kyral_Laptop: 'apt-get -f install' |
| 15:04.36 | wols | stew: sure. but the "proper" way would be a DM, no? |
| 15:04.39 | Kyral_Laptop | stew: Already tried, nothing |
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| 15:04.48 | Kyral_Laptop | I'm gonna purge tzdata and try again |
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| 15:05.15 | makira_ | hi all... I have a question to ask: I have a process which takes 100% cpu (simulation), and that is show in the overall cpu usage as user time, but top shows 0% cpu usage for the process itself... any idea ? |
| 15:05.21 | stew | Kyral_Laptop: you can't, libc6 depends on tzdata |
| 15:05.27 | Kyral_Laptop | oy... |
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| 15:05.59 | ChaosR | can someone help me with my external hd, the dmesg is filled with errors |
| 15:06.16 | stew | Kyral_Laptop: well in any case, if you run dist-upgrade now (or anyting that was cuasing the error before), you'll see what is failing, if you put set -x into the postinst |
| 15:06.26 | wols | !tell ChaosR about errors |
| 15:06.38 | stew | wols: i don't know. i have no idea of kdm can launch gnome and vice-versa |
| 15:06.42 | ChaosR | wols: way too large to paste in here |
| 15:06.47 | Kyral_Laptop | it said its exiting with exit status 10 |
| 15:06.49 | stew | ChaosR: /msg dpkg paste |
| 15:06.49 | wols | !tell ChaosR about paster |
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| 15:06.53 | stew | Kyral_Laptop: /msg dpkg bts |
| 15:06.57 | wols | stew: it can |
| 15:07.09 | ChaosR | wols: pastebin is b0rken |
| 15:07.15 | stew | Kyral_Laptop: but also, it will have told you what command made it do that |
| 15:07.16 | wols | ChaosR: look again |
| 15:07.16 | ChaosR | so I'll try the other one |
| 15:07.25 | Kyral_Laptop | stew: It doesn't :P |
| 15:07.33 | Kyral_Laptop | oh whoops |
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| 15:07.34 | Kyral_Laptop | nm |
| 15:07.36 | Kyral_Laptop | I typo'd |
| 15:07.38 | stew | Kyral_Laptop: then you didn't put 'set -x' into the postinst |
| 15:07.45 | Kyral_Laptop | +x instead of -x :P |
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| 15:08.09 | stew | Kyral_Laptop: check the bts. this is covered |
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| 15:08.53 | ChaosR | wols: http://paste.debian.net/28578 |
| 15:09.03 | makira_ | no idea for my question ? |
| 15:09.57 | wols | ChaosR: does it work properly on other machines? |
| 15:10.10 | versaffer | whats the file system of the initrd file of debian etch? |
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| 15:10.12 | ChaosR | wols: it works properly on my windows box |
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| 15:10.29 | wols | I guess a USB driver issue |
| 15:10.39 | Kyral_Laptop | stew: this is the output with tracing http://paste.debian.net/28579 |
| 15:10.52 | ChaosR | possiblu, but it is really annoying, because I bought it for my linux box :( |
| 15:10.57 | makira_ | bah |
| 15:11.00 | stew | Kyral_Laptop: check the bts |
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| 15:12.44 | hydan | opensuse or debian? |
| 15:13.01 | ChaosR | what is the command to safely remove an usb drive? |
| 15:13.09 | stew | hydan: if you are looking for a comparison of various distros, try ##linux |
| 15:13.18 | stew | ChaosR: umount /path/to/mountpoint |
| 15:13.21 | hydan | thanks |
| 15:13.35 | ChaosR | stew: the harddisk is still spinning |
| 15:13.55 | stew | ChaosR: as long as it is unmounted, it is safe to remove it |
| 15:13.57 | Kyral_Laptop | aw forget it...I'll let my cronjob worry about it |
| 15:14.01 | Kyral_Laptop | thanks for the help |
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| 15:14.53 | Talaturen | Hello, I've heard from a friend that you have to uncomment a line in php.ini to get phpMyAdmin to work with MySQL, which line is it I have to uncomment? |
| 15:15.16 | ChaosR | wols: could it be possibly that the device is broken? |
| 15:15.19 | Ronin | Talaturen: ask your friend? ;) |
| 15:15.30 | Talaturen | offline :( |
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| 15:15.44 | stew | Talaturen: extension=mysql.so |
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| 15:16.01 | Talaturen | ah thanks stew |
| 15:16.02 | wols | ChaosR: unlikely if it really works unedr windows. tried it under knoppix? |
| 15:16.13 | ChaosR | wols: not yet |
| 15:16.33 | wols | Talaturen: have you installed the php mysql extension? |
| 15:16.39 | JosefAssad | set b0rkphpMyAdmin = true |
| 15:16.41 | wols | if yes, that line should already be there |
| 15:16.50 | Talaturen | wols, I just done this: sudo apt-get install apache2 php5 php5-mysql mysql-server-5 |
| 15:16.50 | ChaosR | wols: it can't spinup anymore, could it be a power problem? |
| 15:16.54 | wols | if not, no line ever in php.ini will help |
| 15:16.56 | rahul | php b0rked my admin! |
| 15:17.04 | wols | ChaosR: yes |
| 15:17.10 | Talaturen | php5-mysql is that you're talking about? |
| 15:17.14 | wols | yes |
| 15:17.15 | Talaturen | or is there anything else? |
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| 15:17.16 | Talaturen | okey |
| 15:17.37 | ChaosR | wols: does linux tell when I haven't got enough power in some way (is there a way to check) |
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| 15:18.09 | wols | ChaosR: simply pluggin in the power for it should make it spin up |
| 15:18.21 | wols | since harddisks rarely if ever use USB for poewr /unless it's a 2.5 hdd) |
| 15:18.24 | ChaosR | wols: it's a 2,5" hd, no power input |
| 15:18.46 | Talaturen | after uncommenting the line in php.ini, should it be enough to just restart apache2 to get phpMyAdmin to work? |
| 15:18.48 | wols | I doN't think usb tells anywhere about power usage |
| 15:19.02 | wols | it hands out 5V some few hundred mA, that's it |
| 15:19.20 | ChaosR | wols: there is a picture on wikipidia that shows that mac os x does |
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| 15:19.42 | ChaosR | let's try a hub with external power input |
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| 15:20.01 | wols | aI've never seen such a display ever with PC hardware |
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| 15:20.20 | george_looney | Talaturen: I guess it should be enough to do a resart |
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| 15:20.42 | george_looney | Talaturen: I woudl try a reload first |
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| 15:21.10 | Talaturen | tried to restart apache2, still the cannot load mysql extension error |
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| 15:21.33 | Talaturen | i'll try to reboot. |
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| 15:21.38 | stew | Talaturen: don't reboot |
| 15:21.41 | Talaturen | :o |
| 15:21.51 | ChaosR | sudo mount -t vfat -o rw,defaults /dev/sda1 /home/chaosr/exthd/ it claims it isn't writeable now |
| 15:21.52 | stew | !reboot |
| 15:21.52 | dpkg | you want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about qotd2 |
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| 15:22.12 | ChaosR | !qotd2 |
| 15:22.13 | dpkg | <mrvn> Broadcast message from root (Sat Aug 7 05:48:42 2004): <mrvn> The system is going down for system halt NOW! <mrvn> What the fuck is dselect/dpkg doing a reboot for? <trave11er> mrvn: for changes to take effect? ;-) <StevenK> mrvn: You *had* to move the mouse, didn't you? <mrvn> StevenK: damn, yes. I accidentally pushed it. |
| 15:22.28 | ijk | can you point me to the correct packages? it says: "configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.3 and < 4.0) (headers and libraries) not found." running some configurescript. |
| 15:22.42 | stew | Talaturen: which php.ini did you edit? what version of php5-mysql is installed? |
| 15:22.58 | ChaosR | it works :D |
| 15:23.04 | ChaosR | ty wols |
| 15:23.07 | Talaturen | stew, /etc/php5/apache/php.ini |
| 15:23.13 | Talaturen | where do I check version of php5-mysql? |
| 15:23.42 | stew | Talaturen: you want /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini |
| 15:23.51 | stew | Talaturen: how did you try to restart apache2? |
| 15:23.55 | wols | ChaosR: I didn't do anything |
| 15:24.05 | stew | Talaturen: what deos "apt-cache policy php5-mysql" say for Installed: ? |
| 15:24.08 | Talaturen | there's no apache2 folder in the php5 folder :\ |
| 15:24.28 | Talaturen | 5.2.0-8+etch4 |
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| 15:24.46 | stew | Talaturen: then you haven't installed libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 15:24.56 | wols | Talaturen: you hanve't install apache2-mod-php5 |
| 15:25.02 | wols | +lib |
| 15:25.05 | wols | stew: thanks |
| 15:25.28 | ChaosR | and it stoped working again: mount: /dev/sda1: can't read superblock |
| 15:25.33 | george_looney | hey guys |
| 15:25.36 | Talaturen | oh, downlading now |
| 15:25.44 | george_looney | I just came across something funny! |
| 15:25.47 | spheard | wols: thanks for your help, http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html sorted me ou in the end |
| 15:25.52 | spheard | :-) |
| 15:25.57 | Talaturen | I see, it created apache2 folder in the php5 folder, I'll try to edit that and restart apache2. |
| 15:25.58 | wols | ChaosR: it could be that your disk had write errors. as shown in dmesg |
| 15:26.09 | george_looney | I accidentally entered "[A] at the login prompt and pressed enter |
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| 15:26.21 | wols | Talaturen: if you install the proper packages. no editing needed |
| 15:26.22 | george_looney | next everything becomes uppercase! |
| 15:26.26 | ChaosR | wols: FAT: unable to read boot sector |
| 15:26.38 | Talaturen | wols, the extension line is commented |
| 15:26.46 | wols | ChaosR: less /dev/sda1 |
| 15:26.46 | george_looney | but commands work as usual.... has anyone come across this behaviour? |
| 15:26.47 | ChaosR | how can I repair this |
| 15:26.53 | ijk | applying libqt3-mt-dev worked =) |
| 15:27.05 | ChaosR | wols: /dev/sda1 is not a regular file (use -f to see it) |
| 15:27.15 | wols | ChaosR: first you need to check if the harddisk is broken or if it's a purely filesystem problem |
| 15:27.17 | stew | Talaturen: how did you try to restart apache2? |
| 15:27.25 | wols | ChaosR: then do it |
| 15:27.27 | ChaosR | wols: how? |
| 15:27.36 | wols | ChaosR: what does the message say? |
| 15:27.40 | Talaturen | stew, sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 15:27.43 | ChaosR | wols: /dev/sda1 is not a regular file (use -f to see it) |
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| 15:28.08 | wols | ChaosR: you already told me what it says. maybe you should actually read it and try to understand it? |
| 15:28.12 | stew | i'm suprised that complained about trying to load the php mysql extension when php wasn't installed |
| 15:28.17 | ChaosR | wols: it is empty |
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| 15:28.31 | troytroy | hello folks |
| 15:28.35 | ChaosR | wols: wait it says : read error (press RETURN) |
| 15:28.49 | wols | ChaosR: I hope you didn't have any un-backed up data on that disk |
| 15:28.59 | ChaosR | wols: It is a new disk |
| 15:29.01 | wols | ChaosR: check dmesg for seek complete errors |
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| 15:29.10 | simonrvn | george_looney: never seen that before |
| 15:29.14 | troytroy | what is the basic syntax for importing tables structures to a db in mysql? |
| 15:29.15 | wols | ChaosR: then why did you try to mount it? |
| 15:29.40 | ChaosR | wols: I needed to test if it worked? |
| 15:29.43 | simonrvn | troytroy: #mysql, #sql |
| 15:29.47 | ChaosR | or: I needed to put data on it |
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| 15:29.53 | wols | ChaosR: with a not existing filesystem? how could it ever work? |
| 15:30.07 | troytroy | i tried "zcat /usr/share/doc/freeradius/examples/mysql.sql.gz ! mysql -uxxxx -pxxxx radius" |
| 15:30.08 | ChaosR | wols: it has a fat32 system on it |
| 15:30.10 | stew | troytroy: what form are the table structures in ? a bunch of create statements? or what? |
| 15:30.14 | JosefAssad | bleh... If I have a line like this in /etc/apt/sources.list "deb http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free contrib" shouldn't that cover all packages on "deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r0 _Etch_ - Official i386 NETINST Binary-1 20070407-11:29]/ etch contrib main" ? |
| 15:30.14 | troytroy | but not working |
| 15:30.19 | stew | troytroy: that should work |
| 15:30.27 | stew | troytroy: what makes you say it isn't working? |
| 15:30.29 | wols | ChaosR: reformat it |
| 15:30.30 | ChaosR | wols: with some open-source software and some syncing program |
| 15:30.31 | simonrvn | yup, should work |
| 15:30.36 | ChaosR | wols: I did that 3 times |
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| 15:30.45 | wols | then the harddisk is broken |
| 15:30.50 | joakim | wtf. wtf. |
| 15:30.52 | Talaturen | stew, now that I downloaded the lib you told me about and uncommented the mysql extension line php.ini in the new apache2 folder located in php5 folder and restarted apache2 using: sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart, it still gives me the same error when trying to enter phpMyAdmin :\ |
| 15:30.57 | joakim | my /dev/sdc is gone |
| 15:30.57 | wols | if the format doesn't work. do what I asked you: what about dmesg entries? |
| 15:30.58 | ChaosR | wols: reformat to what? |
| 15:31.00 | joakim | where the hell did it go |
| 15:31.04 | Talaturen | stew, "Cannot load mysql extension." |
| 15:31.05 | ChaosR | ext3? |
| 15:31.12 | wols | Talaturen: what error? |
| 15:31.19 | wols | ChaosR: whateve you want |
| 15:31.25 | troytroy | stew usage: zcat [-cdfhlLnNrtvV19] [-S suffix] [file ...] |
| 15:31.29 | simonrvn | troytroy: if the user exists and that's the right password... BTW, use -p with no qualifier, it'll ask you for the password (safer) |
| 15:31.33 | troytroy | stew usage error |
| 15:31.40 | stew | troytroy: oh, you want | intead of ! |
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| 15:32.09 | simonrvn | i missed that ! |
| 15:32.15 | troytroy | :) thanks |
| 15:32.42 | simonrvn | good catch stew |
| 15:32.54 | ChaosR | wols: http://paste.debian.net/28580 |
| 15:33.07 | ChaosR | wols: the errors before formatting |
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| 15:33.37 | Jckf | How can I check what DNS server replies to my lookups? |
| 15:33.49 | kth`` | What's the deal with amd64/pure64? What's the difference between them? |
| 15:34.03 | Jckf | kth``: Don't bother |
| 15:34.14 | simonrvn | Jckf: there's a summary at the bottom of dig, tells you which server replied |
| 15:34.14 | n3kl_ | Hi. Anyone know of a good OSx style application launcher for X? |
| 15:34.19 | Optic | would it be a reasonable thing to mirror two external usb hard drives using lvm? |
| 15:34.27 | Optic | or would that be just asking for trouble? |
| 15:34.38 | Jckf | simonrvn: Dig? |
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| 15:34.38 | wols | Jckf: dig will tell you. cat /etc/resolv.conf too |
| 15:34.55 | simonrvn | Jckf: you could also use +trace with dig, spits out a lot of info |
| 15:35.05 | Jckf | Thanks |
| 15:35.06 | ChaosR | wols: sudo fdisk /dev/sda Unable to read /dev/sda |
| 15:35.07 | wols | Jckf: dig, not Dig. |
| 15:35.09 | sohmestra | Optic: it would be slow |
| 15:35.24 | Optic | yeah, i'm not looking for extreme performance, mostly fault-tolerance |
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| 15:35.34 | wols | ChaosR: unplug it, plug it back in. look for dmesg messages if it's recognized |
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| 15:36.28 | ChaosR | wols: if I reconnect it, it works perfectly again |
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| 15:37.15 | simonrvn | oh that stinks like spam bot |
| 15:37.23 | Yggdrasil | hello, i know this inst quite the proper place to ask this , does anyone know if there is a way to run a console/terminal in xchat , under one of the tabs ? iseem to remember being able to do this. |
| 15:38.02 | sohmestra | Optic: I'm not sure you can do mirroring with linux LVM |
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| 15:38.31 | troytroy | shorewall vrs ipmasq which makes configruring iptables easier? |
| 15:38.48 | kth`` | Where could I get an up to date netboot image for amd64 sid? This one babbles about not finding modules compatible with this kernel(I'm guessing the kernel on this image is outdated) |
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| 15:39.04 | Jckf | dig spews out a lot of stuff. What is the DNS that replies' address? |
| 15:39.05 | wols | kth``: there are no sid images |
| 15:39.16 | simonrvn | Jckf: at the bottom |
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| 15:39.55 | simonrvn | SERVER: WHEN: MSG SIZE |
| 15:40.00 | Optic | hmm |
| 15:40.10 | Jckf | Oh. Doh. Sorry |
| 15:40.23 | simonrvn | hehe, s'ok |
| 15:40.24 | sohmestra | Optic: you could do raid1 |
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| 15:40.40 | sohmestra | Optic: with LVM on top. |
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| 15:40.42 | troytroy | "shorewall" vrs "ipmasq" which makes configruring iptables easier? |
| 15:40.46 | kth`` | http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/netboot.tar.gz <- Is a hallucination then? :( Or is the installer image using stable stuff? |
| 15:40.50 | slutlock | random question |
| 15:41.03 | Optic | sohmestra: yeah, Linux Software Raid |
| 15:41.03 | simonrvn | random answer |
| 15:41.06 | Optic | i'm reading :) |
| 15:41.08 | slutlock | got an install that is asking for my path to the C headers |
| 15:41.23 | slutlock | its not in /usr/src/linux/include |
| 15:41.26 | sohmestra | Optic: I'm not sure why LVM is necessary though if all you want is mirroring |
| 15:41.29 | slutlock | which is where i would expect it to be |
| 15:41.34 | karsten | Are there any packages / tools which can find frequently occuring arbitrary strings in a text input? |
| 15:41.35 | Optic | shomestra: it wouldn't be |
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| 15:41.42 | Optic | i'm mostly interested in the mirroring |
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| 15:41.53 | Optic | i was confusing LVM and ZFS :) |
| 15:42.01 | slutlock | having only gcc4 from apt-get |
| 15:42.08 | slutlock | any idea where it might be? |
| 15:42.17 | slutlock | im not a frequent debian user |
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| 15:42.22 | eisen | slutlock: /usr/include |
| 15:42.24 | simonrvn | C headers > /usr/include |
| 15:42.33 | slutlock | im honestly only using it right now because the project requires it |
| 15:42.34 | slutlock | ah |
| 15:42.36 | wols | !tell slutlock about b-e |
| 15:42.56 | simonrvn | why you'd think they would be in a non-standard place, i dunno |
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| 15:43.16 | slutlock | wols im not |
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| 15:43.30 | slutlock | its looking for kernel headers |
| 15:43.30 | slutlock | sorry |
| 15:43.41 | slutlock | C headers that match your running kernel |
| 15:43.45 | sohmestra | slutlock: apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r` |
| 15:43.54 | sohmestra | slutlock: apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
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| 15:44.02 | troytroy | "shorewall" vrs "firestarter" which makes configruring iptables easier? |
| 15:44.29 | troytroy | btw is firestarter a cli toolkit |
| 15:44.33 | slutlock | k |
| 15:44.45 | h3sp4wn | troytroy: look at its dependancies |
| 15:44.52 | slutlock | danke |
| 15:44.55 | sohmestra | slutlock: you can skip the first one, i meant 'headers' not 'image' |
| 15:44.59 | chemaja1 | trollboy, no it's not |
| 15:45.05 | h3sp4wn | troytroy: Its a gtk app |
| 15:45.11 | chemaja1 | trollboy, shorewall is a PITA imho |
| 15:45.16 | Optic | is there a debian package i need to install for software raid? |
| 15:45.18 | simonrvn | shorewall is better, IMO |
| 15:45.27 | chemaja1 | but that might just be a lack of patience and understanding |
| 15:45.34 | sohmestra | Optic: mdadm |
| 15:45.41 | simonrvn | yes but firestarter is worse ;) |
| 15:45.41 | Optic | ok |
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| 15:45.57 | chemaja1 | firefarter |
| 15:46.02 | Optic | perfect :) |
| 15:46.05 | simonrvn | ouchies |
| 15:46.05 | chemaja1 | it blows you up a firewall |
| 15:46.06 | chemaja1 | :P |
| 15:46.15 | chemaja1 | jokes, i couldn't write it |
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| 15:46.44 | ChaosR | how can I make something writeable by normal user that is only writeable by root (chmod doesn't work, no errors) |
| 15:47.24 | troytroy | so shorewall is great :) |
| 15:47.35 | troytroy | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/ChillispotHotspot |
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| 15:48.48 | drako | [D]rea[M] <-- SPAMMER |
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| 15:48.56 | simonrvn | i figured as much |
| 15:48.57 | slutlock | bleh |
| 15:49.04 | slutlock | these VMware tools are a pain in the ass |
| 15:49.10 | simonrvn | !ops [D]rea[M] << spammer |
| 15:49.10 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: simonrvn complains about: [D]rea[M] << spammer |
| 15:49.12 | slutlock | why cant there be a deb for me |
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| 15:49.34 | chemaja1 | slummer, vmware ftl. qemu-launcher ftw. |
| 15:49.40 | RichiH | simonrvn: ta |
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| 15:49.47 | rambo3 | virtualbox |
| 15:49.49 | simonrvn | thank you kind sir |
| 15:50.03 | slutlock | chemaja1 i dont have the spare machine to use right now. this is for testing |
| 15:50.19 | slutlock | and typing > tab complete fail |
| 15:50.20 | slutlock | :P |
| 15:50.21 | chemaja1 | slutlock, ok |
| 15:50.22 | chemaja1 | yea |
| 15:50.24 | chemaja1 | noticed |
| 15:50.25 | Wyzard | chemaja1: Have you actually used vmware? |
| 15:50.27 | chemaja1 | for the lose |
| 15:50.30 | chemaja1 | yea i used the mofo |
| 15:50.31 | chemaja1 | too much |
| 15:50.41 | chemaja1 | migrated to QEMU on Etch. |
| 15:50.42 | Wyzard | It's actually quite nice |
| 15:50.50 | rambo3 | http://www.virtualbox.org/ |
| 15:51.05 | chemaja1 | it's slow and a pita to run on a non-officially-supported os and it dont integrate into apt right and it's poo |
| 15:51.07 | chemaja1 | nuff said |
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| 15:51.24 | Wyzard | Not being packaged is my only real complaint against it |
| 15:51.30 | Wyzard | It's not slow -- not since years ago, at least |
| 15:51.37 | chemaja1 | Wyzard, and when it is, it mangles ur / |
| 15:51.44 | Wyzard | huh? |
| 15:51.46 | chemaja1 | and by mangle i mean not register ownership with dpkg/rpm |
| 15:51.46 | JosefAssad | What repo do I need to supplant the etch netinst CD? |
| 15:51.49 | chemaja1 | for files |
| 15:52.05 | wols | supplant? |
| 15:52.14 | chemaja1 | not to mention the fact that ur os-specific network hooks *may* not apply to vmnet (i can't verify this) |
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| 15:52.17 | Wyzard | I wouldn't call that "mangling" / -- it doesn't break things that are already there |
| 15:52.19 | JosefAssad | wols: Replace |
| 15:52.22 | Wyzard | but yes, I do wish it was packaged |
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| 15:52.31 | chemaja1 | Wyzard, if you're anal like me, it's mangling. |
| 15:52.31 | Wyzard | It keeps track of its own files, though, and uninstalls cleanly |
| 15:52.35 | wols | !tell JosefAssad about sources.list |
| 15:52.42 | chemaja1 | Wyzard, it should touch /opt only |
| 15:52.46 | chemaja1 | if that's the case, but it doesn't. |
| 15:52.50 | Wyzard | You can put it in /opt if you want |
| 15:53.01 | chemaja1 | it should have a per-user set-us-up-the-application-dir-and-shortcuts |
| 15:53.06 | chemaja1 | but it doesn't, it fails. |
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| 15:53.19 | chemaja1 | ok so i'm being a bit of a dick about it, use it if you want. meh. |
| 15:53.39 | Wyzard | I'm just debating your "vmware sucks, use qemu" claim |
| 15:53.52 | chemaja1 | Wyzard, it has it's merits. |
| 15:53.52 | ChaosR | wols: writing is the problem |
| 15:53.55 | JosefAssad | wols: that's it? Just "deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free"? |
| 15:54.03 | Wyzard | qemu isn't bad, but vmware is *far* better for convenience |
| 15:54.04 | ChaosR | wols: writing gives errors, lot's of them |
| 15:54.09 | chemaja1 | Wyzard, how so |
| 15:54.11 | aoirthoir | poo thats funny chemaja1 |
| 15:54.20 | chemaja1 | aoirthoir, where i work we call it "pooware" |
| 15:54.24 | chemaja1 | not vmware, just poo software |
| 15:54.25 | aoirthoir | I thought I was the only one that said poo in these parts:) |
| 15:54.28 | chemaja1 | hell no |
| 15:54.31 | chemaja1 | we poop it up in oz |
| 15:54.53 | Wyzard | things like linked clones (creating a new VM based on a copy-on-write snapshot of another VM's disk) that are straightforward to create |
| 15:54.56 | aoirthoir | chemaja1, in ubuntu chat rooms, they say crap, shit etc..but when I say poo they get all mad. it is quite funny. |
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| 15:55.15 | chemaja1 | aoirthoir, that's because the mods are probably subtly brain damaged from running Ubuntu |
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| 15:55.27 | Wyzard | and the special video and mouse drivers they provide that perform much better than emulating a whole video card |
| 15:55.29 | rambo3 | !poo aoirthoir |
| 15:55.33 | Zathras | with 'mt' one can check the tapes status, rewind the tape, erase the tape, etc. |
| 15:55.34 | aoirthoir | lol rambo3 :) |
| 15:55.41 | chemaja1 | !pooware |
| 15:55.44 | Zathras | can I also load a tape with it (no autoloader) |
| 15:55.49 | Wyzard | I'm looking forward to seeing qemu and/or kvm surpass vmware, but for now, vmware is well worth the $200 IMO |
| 15:55.51 | chemaja1 | damn you dpkg, learn meeee |
| 15:55.52 | chemaja1 | jk |
| 15:55.59 | aoirthoir | chemaja1, I run poommunity.com but right now it sux..cause I dont know enough. It was an inspiration and we put dolphin on it.. |
| 15:55.59 | abrotman | Zathras: load to use? |
| 15:56.06 | aoirthoir | dunno if it was a good choice..seems not to have been |
| 15:56.14 | Zathras | yes, tape is in the drive / ejected |
| 15:56.23 | chemaja1 | Wyzard, oh KVM for the definite win, it seems to have the backing of Linux devs to the max |
| 15:56.31 | Optic | oh, nice, swat installed mdadm |
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| 15:56.33 | Optic | perfect |
| 15:56.40 | chemaja1 | Wyzard, but i dont have a VT or Pacifica chip in my CPU, so nuts to that |
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| 15:56.58 | chemaja1 | xen and kvm can only be done justice with a virt chip |
| 15:57.02 | aoirthoir | chemaja1, i am on ubuntu right now but i keep getting suggestions to move to debian..so as soon as my confidence is up i am going to give it a try. |
| 15:57.04 | abrotman | Zathras: don't think so |
| 15:57.08 | chemaja1 | qemu and vmware are non-virt friendlier imho |
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| 15:57.10 | Wyzard | chemaja1: I have a processor that supports it, but when I built the packaged kvm-source on 2.6.18, and tried to modprobe kvm, it hard-locked the system |
| 15:57.19 | chemaja1 | aoirthoir, I used to run Ubuntu. |
| 15:57.22 | abrotman | Zathras: maybe just with eject ? |
| 15:57.41 | lindenle | hi having some trouble with wpa_supplicant in testing: wpa_ctrl_open: Connection refused... |
| 15:57.41 | Zathras | abrotman, "do't thinks so" as in fugure of speech, or are you sure? |
| 15:57.42 | abrotman | Zathras: but that likely won't be able to suck it in .. just eject it |
| 15:57.47 | Zathras | yep |
| 15:57.49 | abrotman | Zathras: man eject |
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| 15:58.33 | Wyzard | chemaja1: However, I upgraded to 2.6.21 and now the kvm module loads fine, so I'll give it another try sometime soon |
| 15:58.34 | chemaja1 | Wyzard, yea it's not ready yet |
| 15:58.34 | JosefAssad | sorry, but dpkg's one liner about sources.list completely doesn't address my question. |
| 15:58.34 | abrotman | JosefAssad: what's yoru question ? |
| 15:58.34 | chemaja1 | Wyzard, is that even supported on Etch? |
| 15:58.35 | Wyzard | chemaja1: I'm running unstable |
| 15:58.35 | chemaja1 | Wyzard, away from me, evil one |
| 15:58.35 | chemaja1 | :P |
| 15:58.35 | Wyzard | hehe |
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| 15:59.01 | chemaja1 | Sid is great if you like living in chaos. |
| 15:59.09 | Wyzard | 2.6.21 packages for amd64 have been in the archive for a few days, and for i386 they're at http://incoming.debian.org/ now and will be in the archive very soon |
| 15:59.14 | JosefAssad | abrotman: Probably kind of dumb, which is why dpkg may not be addressing it. I used the netinst CD and would like to use http sources exclusively; would I in theory need more than this to replace the packages on the netinst: "deb http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free contrib" |
| 15:59.19 | Wyzard | I've been running sid for years |
| 15:59.21 | chemaja1 | Me, hey -- I'm trying to get some *work* done here, mm'kay Mr Hat? |
| 15:59.43 | chemaja1 | Wyzard, i was a sid fiend back when etch was pre-50% |
| 15:59.43 | Zathras | abrotman, you mean eject -t ? |
| 15:59.48 | abrotman | JosefAssad: you'd need that and the security line .. you just need two .. you can comment out the rest (unless you want source packages) |
| 15:59.49 | chemaja1 | or some % |
| 15:59.57 | Wyzard | Stuff breaks occasionally and I have to figure out how to fix it, often learning more about how the system works in the process |
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| 16:00.06 | JosefAssad | I have experiemented with commenting out the cdrom lines in /etc/apt/sources.list but then it complains about missing packages... So I assume I'm missing something |
| 16:00.08 | Wyzard | but on the whole sid is pretty usable if you know how to maintain a system |
| 16:00.12 | abrotman | Zathras: to suck it in ? |
| 16:00.19 | abrotman | JosefAssad: run aptitude update after doing that |
| 16:00.23 | JosefAssad | abrotman: Okay, then I probably have bugs to file; I have tried that. :) |
| 16:00.24 | chemaja1 | Wyzard, the only reasons i would want Sid is Gnome 2.18 and Emacs 22 -- but i can make be with 2.14 and 21 for now |
| 16:00.30 | abrotman | JosefAssad: paste your sources somewhere |
| 16:00.31 | JosefAssad | abrotman: Got the t-shirt :) |
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| 16:00.40 | JosefAssad | abrotman: okie, hang on |
| 16:01.02 | chemaja1 | Wyzard, know how to maintain???? some doco out there on the web suggests that if you don't know what to do when libpam0 (or whatever) breaks, stay away! |
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| 16:01.21 | chemaja1 | Wyzard, i guess if you had a decent and tested backup solution |
| 16:01.25 | abrotman | Zathras: i really doubt your tape drive will suck in .. just try eject <device> or eject -s |
| 16:01.32 | chemaja1 | Wyzard, otherwise you're in deep s**t |
| 16:01.36 | JosefAssad | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/502652 |
| 16:01.39 | abrotman | Zathras: or maybe even -q |
| 16:01.51 | abrotman | JosefAssad: WAY too many |
| 16:02.00 | abrotman | JosefAssad: i'll edit |
| 16:02.02 | Wyzard | chemaja1: I've been running sid since mid-2001 and managed to keep it clean and usable for all that time, so I guess I know how to maintain it :-) |
| 16:02.12 | Zathras | abrotman, I use a tape daemon by Bacula. It automounts. And that did the trick |
| 16:02.14 | chemaja1 | Wyzard, so did libpam ever break on you? :) |
| 16:02.22 | chemaja1 | Wyzard, (or what was the worst breakage you had to fix) |
| 16:02.45 | Zathras | so I guess mt -f /dev/st0 load might work too on this particular device with some luck |
| 16:02.50 | abrotman | JosefAssad: http://pastebin.ca/502657 |
| 16:02.52 | JosefAssad | abrotman: oh, yeah... the one with sarge in there's something I have no explanation for actually... |
| 16:03.03 | Wyzard | chemaja1: I don't remember libpam breaking, though it may have happened at some point |
| 16:03.04 | abrotman | JosefAssad: uncomment the rest as needed |
| 16:03.11 | Zathras | it's a HP Ultrium 448 scsi160 |
| 16:03.14 | Wyzard | chemaja1: I do remember gnome-settings-daemon breaking and GNOME was basically unusable for a few days |
| 16:03.14 | abrotman | Wyzard: it has broken in the past |
| 16:03.21 | chemaja1 | Wyzard, see that would ruin me |
| 16:03.21 | JosefAssad | abrotman: lemme apply that then aptitude update and so on. Thanks in advance |
| 16:03.21 | abrotman | Zathras: oh ok |
| 16:03.27 | Zathras | tnx |
| 16:03.52 | abrotman | JosefAssad: and add non-free to the end of the security line |
| 16:03.56 | ChaosR | so, where can I find newer usb drivers to try again |
| 16:03.56 | chemaja1 | Wyzard, not because i *need* Gnome, but my productivity would drop amazingly having to keep up |
| 16:04.04 | Wyzard | chemaja1: and just today I had to downgrade module-init-tools from 3.3-pre11-1 (which went into the archive a few days ago) to 3.3-pre4-2, because insmod doesn't work in the newer version |
| 16:04.12 | Wyzard | chemaja1: Well, that was several years ago |
| 16:04.28 | JosefAssad | abrotman: got it |
| 16:04.34 | abrotman | JosefAssad: working better ? |
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| 16:04.39 | Wyzard | chemaja1: and it was only for two or three days on my personal desktop, not an essential work machine or something |
| 16:04.48 | chemaja1 | Wyzard, "doesn't work"? did apt give you a conflict or was it a run-time thing |
| 16:05.04 | chemaja1 | Wyzard, i have nothing *but* "essential work machines" |
| 16:05.09 | Talaturen | Hello, I'm having problems with getting phpMyAdmin to work; I've uncommented the line you should in php.ini (/etc/php5/apache2/php.ini), and restarted apache and I still get this error when trying to enter phpMyAdmin; Cannot load mysql extension. Please check your PHP configuration. |
| 16:05.14 | Wyzard | chemaja1: It segfaults... it's an upstream bug which has already been reported, but not fixed yet |
| 16:05.15 | JosefAssad | abrotman: I owe you a beer, sir |
| 16:05.24 | ma3x | abrotman, how ya doin` |
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| 16:05.40 | chemaja1 | ouch segfault |
| 16:05.50 | chemaja1 | the ultimate insult ;) |
| 16:06.00 | Wyzard | chemaja1: modprobe still works fine, but in some cases (scripts, etc.) insmod is necessary |
| 16:06.02 | abrotman | JosefAssad: damn right |
| 16:06.05 | abrotman | :) |
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| 16:06.18 | klync | having problems with exim4 and auth plain, wondering if anyone else has seen this - it sends the secret before getting the auth ok command from the destination server, which causes the server to close the connection. might be related to bug 421980 |
| 16:06.23 | chemaja1 | Wyzard, poop |
| 16:06.26 | Wyzard | chemaja1: I noticed it after upgrading to 2.6.21 and running vmware-config, actually -- vmware-config couldn't load the vmmon module it had built :-) |
| 16:06.29 | JosefAssad | dammit, looks like I have to go. Something'swrong with me when I'd rather sit in here fixing sources.list with abrotman than go out for beer and water pipe with my girlfriend... |
| 16:06.37 | abrotman | hehe |
| 16:06.44 | chemaja1 | Wyzard, i have no time for mickeying around see |
| 16:06.53 | chemaja1 | Wyzard, etch comes up very fast onto bare metal |
| 16:07.13 | Wyzard | chemaja1: On systems where I need stability I run etch |
| 16:07.13 | chemaja1 | no way i could have got FC6 up like that in time |
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| 16:07.14 | chemaja1 | Wyzard, cool |
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| 16:07.33 | Wyzard | chemaja1: like my router box, which runs Xen with three domUs for router/firewall, DNS/DHCP, and webserver |
| 16:07.39 | JosefAssad | abrotman: thank you again. Mark me down for one cold pilsner |
| 16:07.42 | abrotman | hehe |
| 16:07.45 | abrotman | have a nice day |
| 16:07.51 | abrotman | Wyzard: i think you have too much money :) |
| 16:07.51 | chemaja1 | Wyzard, nice, but poor poor power bill :) |
| 16:07.55 | Wyzard | chemaja1: but on my personal desktop and laptop I run unstable so I can keep on top of "what's new" in the Linux world |
| 16:07.59 | chemaja1 | lol abrotman |
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| 16:08.12 | Wyzard | chemaja1: like 2.6.21's tickless idle feature, and powertop on my laptop |
| 16:08.17 | Talaturen | Hello, I'm having problems with getting phpMyAdmin to work; I've uncommented the line you should in php.ini (/etc/php5/apache2/php.ini), and restarted apache and I still get this error when trying to enter phpMyAdmin; Cannot load mysql extension. Please check your PHP configuration. |
| 16:08.22 | chemaja1 | what the hell is this tickless thingo all about |
| 16:08.25 | Wyzard | abrotman: The hardware was only $300 or so, and it'll serve me for years |
| 16:08.34 | abrotman | Wyzard: did you get your tv yet? |
| 16:08.38 | Wyzard | nope |
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| 16:08.45 | Wyzard | Sometime this summer probably |
| 16:08.49 | abrotman | Wyzard: so still no tv? or just the little one ? |
| 16:09.03 | Wyzard | I gave the little one back to my parents, actually, because I wasn't using it |
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| 16:09.37 | Wyzard | I had one in mind that I wanted to buy, but before buying it I wanted to connect my PS2 to it in the store and see how a progressive-scan game looked on it, but the store's display model was broken |
| 16:09.52 | Wyzard | That was a few months ago and I haven't bothered going back since then |
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| 16:10.15 | das_netz | hi |
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| 16:10.26 | syed_nawaz | hello |
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| 16:10.47 | das_netz | anybody know about of the netinstall customization? |
| 16:10.54 | Wyzard | chemaja1: tickless idle is a change in the kernel's idle loop... rather than waking up 100 or 1000 times per second just to check if there's a scheduled task needing to be done, it just waits for however long it is until the next scheduled event |
| 16:11.07 | das_netz | i need any changes into the netinstall... |
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| 16:11.17 | chemaja1 | Wyzard, sounds reasonable |
| 16:11.24 | Wyzard | chemaja1: It lets the kernel spend more time sleeping (and therefore going into deeper power-saving C-states) when it's idle |
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| 16:11.36 | chemaja1 | Wyzard, IDLE FTW |
| 16:11.38 | Wyzard | s/kernel/processor/ |
| 16:11.44 | syed_nawaz | i have installed debian etch and while installing kde, i have selected UNIX as the behaviour and i want to change the behaviour to KDE, how can i do that |
| 16:12.08 | chemaja1 | i suppose you could run a sid kernel and kernel utilities on an etch box tho |
| 16:12.10 | Talaturen | Hello, I'm having problems with getting phpMyAdmin to work; I've uncommented the line you should in php.ini (/etc/php5/apache2/php.ini), and restarted apache and I still get this error when trying to enter phpMyAdmin; Cannot load mysql extension. Please check your PHP configuration. |
| 16:12.12 | chemaja1 | would that be wak |
| 16:12.17 | abrotman | chemaja1: backports.org |
| 16:12.23 | chemaja1 | abrotman, nice nice |
| 16:12.25 | Wyzard | chemaja1: http://www.linuxpowertop.org/powertop.php |
| 16:12.38 | thingfish | das_netz: you might try doing /msg dpkg custom netinst and see if that give you a start. |
| 16:12.51 | chemaja1 | Wyzard, nice! |
| 16:12.56 | das_netz | thingfish, thanks |
| 16:13.09 | thingfish | you're welcome |
| 16:13.14 | chemaja1 | Wyzard, i'm hanging out for a Centrino Pro, but i haven't seen it in stores or ads (i'm in Australia) |
| 16:13.39 | chemaja1 | i'm sitting on this very very crusty P3 with a 15" (relatively good 15") monitor |
| 16:13.48 | chemaja1 | running Etch like a pro :P |
| 16:14.03 | syed_nawaz | hello, any idea on how to change the behaviour of the debian etch from UNIX style to KDE style |
| 16:14.12 | chemaja1 | syed_nawaz, aptitude install gnome |
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| 16:14.13 | chemaja1 | er |
| 16:14.18 | Wyzard | chemaja1: The laptop I use now is a Sonoma: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centrino#Sonoma_platform_.282005.29 |
| 16:14.19 | chemaja1 | sorry reflex action, avoidance of kde |
| 16:14.23 | chemaja1 | aptitude install kde |
| 16:14.23 | aptitude | methinks install kde is In sarge/etch/lenny, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 16:14.24 | xand | syed_nawaz: apt-get install kde? |
| 16:14.40 | Wyzard | chemaja1: I'll probably replace it with a Montevina-based one when those are released: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centrino#Montevina_platform_.282008.29 |
| 16:14.45 | lipstick_ | anyone know what algorithm is used to hash the password in /etc/shadow ? (shadow-tools) |
| 16:15.18 | syed_nawaz | chemaja1, I have already installed kde and after logging in for the first time in KDE desktop, i selected the default style as UNIX style |
| 16:15.20 | chemaja1 | Wyzard, are you implying i'm insane for not buying a Core 2 Duo right now? ;) |
| 16:15.32 | chemaja1 | syed_nawaz, Kontrol Panel or whatever |
| 16:15.34 | cydork | lipstick_: md5 |
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| 16:15.36 | Wyzard | lipstick_: probably MD5, unless you have MD5 passwords disabled, in which case it's (insecure) crypt() |
| 16:15.39 | chemaja1 | kcontrol |
| 16:15.40 | syed_nawaz | chemaja1, i want to change it to KDE style |
| 16:15.51 | chemaja1 | ok no more kde talk |
| 16:15.55 | Wyzard | chemaja1: nah, Santa Rosa is a good thing to wait for if you need a new laptop now |
| 16:15.55 | lipstick_ | is md5 an encryption? |
| 16:15.57 | chemaja1 | at least from me |
| 16:16.08 | Wyzard | lipstick_: It's a cryptographic hash function |
| 16:16.10 | syed_nawaz | chemaja1, ok..i will look into the control panel |
| 16:16.19 | cydork | lipstick_: hashing algorithm |
| 16:16.24 | Wyzard | lipstick_: Encryption is two-way; you can get the original data from the encrypted data |
| 16:16.27 | Wyzard | lipstick_: Hashing is one-way |
| 16:16.34 | lipstick_ | Wyzard, what is the different between encryption and hashing ? |
| 16:16.41 | lipstick_ | oh |
| 16:16.42 | Wyzard | lipstick_: It's infeasible to figure out the original password from the MD5 hash |
| 16:16.43 | chemaja1 | Wyzard, i do, and i am. 802.11n is apparently better than 802.11g but still flaky, i figure it will be stable when Santa Rosa releases |
| 16:16.58 | chemaja1 | syed_nawaz, /join #debian-kde i think |
| 16:17.02 | lipstick_ | Wyzard, so in /etc/shadow it is a hash? |
| 16:17.04 | Wyzard | chemaja1: I'm waiting for 802.11n to be finalized before I buy any of that hardware |
| 16:17.11 | lipstick_ | then how is it possible to break the hash ? |
| 16:17.13 | Wyzard | lipstick_: yes -- hashes are usually used for passwords |
| 16:17.13 | KWartS | is any laptop fit with etch I am at indonesia so there is no debian preinstalled |
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| 16:17.36 | chemaja1 | KWartS, welcome to Microsoft world domination |
| 16:17.41 | lipstick_ | Wyzard, but that means they can be reversed ? |
| 16:17.54 | Wyzard | lipstick_: The point of a hash is that it *can't* be reversed |
| 16:18.03 | fluxdude | what's the linux equivalent of windows hyperterminal for console access to cisco and juniper routers? |
| 16:18.16 | lipstick_ | Wyzard, how do they break the password from only knowing the hash? |
| 16:18.23 | KWartS | chemaja1: Microsoft domination :) sound bad... real bad.. |
| 16:18.33 | lipstick_ | Wyzard, do they hash a random password until the right has in found ? |
| 16:18.34 | Wyzard | lipstick_: By guessing passwords and then hashing them to see if they're correct |
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| 16:18.40 | lipstick_ | oh right ok |
| 16:18.42 | syed_nawaz | chemaja1, My doubt is not in KDE, but i am using debian etch, i just want to know how to reconfigure the kde |
| 16:18.43 | KWartS | thanks world I would rather install it myself... |
| 16:18.44 | Wyzard | lipstick_: not necessarily "random", but yes |
| 16:18.47 | chemaja1 | KWartS, it is. |
| 16:18.48 | cydork | lipstick_: bruteforce. |
| 16:18.52 | kramed | KWartS: minicom |
| 16:18.57 | lipstick_ | k |
| 16:19.05 | chemaja1 | syed_nawaz, no idea i use Gnome |
| 16:19.06 | Wyzard | lipstick_: An attacker might try every word from the dictionary -- that's called a "dictionary attack", and if your password is a word in the dictionary, that'll find it |
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| 16:19.25 | wiedenmann | can I as a normal user change apt-get to install into ~/foo? |
| 16:19.31 | Wyzard | lipstick_: if it's a strong password the only thing an attacker can do is try every possible password -- all combinations of letters, numbers, digits, punctuation, etc. |
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| 16:19.46 | Wyzard | lipstick_: and there are so many of those that it'd take eons to try them all, even with lots of really fast computers |
| 16:20.44 | lipstick_ | Wyzard, lets say... |
| 16:21.02 | Wyzard | lipstick_: Cryptographic research can find "weaknesses" in a hash function, ways to guess potential passwords more efficiently, and from that standpoint, MD5 is in some danger and isn't recommended to be used for new applications |
| 16:21.06 | wols | the longer I look, the more I think lipstick_ needs to do homework |
| 16:21.07 | lipstick_ | Wyzard, if you encrypt something, and know the output, how could you reverse that? |
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| 16:21.09 | Wyzard | lipstick_: but currently, MD5 is fine for hashing passwords |
| 16:21.23 | Wyzard | lipstick_: You're talking about encryption, not hashing? |
| 16:21.41 | Wyzard | lipstick_: You encrypt something with a secret piece of data called a "key", and you can use that same key to decrypt it and recover the original data |
| 16:21.54 | lipstick_ | and if you dont know the key |
| 16:22.01 | wiedenmann | you are fucked |
| 16:22.01 | lipstick_ | how can you reverse |
| 16:22.05 | Wyzard | You can't |
| 16:22.12 | lipstick_ | umm... |
| 16:22.17 | Wyzard | except by trying every possible key, which again would take eons |
| 16:22.18 | slutlock | ok |
| 16:22.18 | abrotman | you get a supercomputer .. and try for a very very long time :) |
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| 16:22.23 | wols | lipstick_: by trying all possible combinations of the key |
| 16:22.28 | slutlock | anyone got a bit to help an idiot with some iptables stuff? |
| 16:22.31 | wiedenmann | or you could pray to jesus, let him attack it |
| 16:22.33 | abrotman | #iptables |
| 16:22.37 | lipstick_ | cant you try the algorithm the other way |
| 16:22.41 | aadil | but what if someone swallows this key? can we decrypt? |
| 16:22.42 | lipstick_ | (who knows) |
| 16:22.43 | aadil | huh? |
| 16:22.45 | aadil | :3 |
| 16:22.51 | aadil | ;D |
| 16:22.54 | wols | lipstick_: thereis a reason they are called one way functions |
| 16:22.55 | Wyzard | Older encryption algorithms may have been "cracked", meaning that cryptographers have found other ways to recover the key besides trying all possible keys |
| 16:23.04 | wiedenmann | so anyone got a bit of debian related help on howto install using apt-get as a normal user into ~/? |
| 16:23.05 | slutlock | awesome |
| 16:23.08 | slutlock | did not know that existed.... |
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| 16:23.15 | lipstick_ | wols, is encryption a one way function? |
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| 16:23.23 | Wyzard | but when encryption algorithms are cracked, people stop using them |
| 16:23.30 | Wyzard | lipstick_: If encryption were one-way it'd be useless |
| 16:23.36 | wols | aadil: no. but we can put him in jail where withholding keys from the government is illegal. great incentinve to shit out the key again |
| 16:23.46 | Wyzard | lipstick_: The whole point of encrypting something is so that an authorized person (but not unauthorized people) can decrypt it later |
| 16:23.49 | aadil | Wyzard, u forgot to mention that they older cryptographers were young when they started cracking |
| 16:23.49 | aadil | ;) |
| 16:23.55 | wols | Wyzard: it does use onw way functions |
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| 16:24.15 | lipstick_ | yes, how dose echole break the encryption on stuff? |
| 16:24.17 | Wyzard | wols: An encryption algorithm is not a one-way function |
| 16:24.18 | aadil | wols, or put laxative in his drink |
| 16:24.21 | aadil | :> |
| 16:24.33 | lipstick_ | do they try ever possible conbination ? |
| 16:24.33 | Wyzard | lipstick_: You mean Echelon? |
| 16:24.39 | lipstick_ | yes |
| 16:25.09 | wols | lipstick_: usually, NSA has better cryptanalysts than anyone else |
| 16:25.13 | Depress | Hi world. |
| 16:25.14 | abrotman | usually ? |
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| 16:25.22 | lipstick_ | wols, so,... |
| 16:25.23 | wols | e.g. they knew about differetial cryptography before evreyone else |
| 16:25.24 | Wyzard | lipstick_: That sort of information would be classified... you won't find any answers to that here |
| 16:25.35 | lipstick_ | Wyzard, umm... |
| 16:25.38 | aadil | teh blue chips |
| 16:25.39 | wols | abrotman: I have high hopes for ruisian mathematics. just not as good computers |
| 16:25.40 | aadil | :> |
| 16:25.42 | Wyzard | lipstick_: The people who built Echelon may have secretly cracked the encryption algorithms that people are using, but nobody knows |
| 16:25.58 | lipstick_ | Wyzard, how did they crack them ? |
| 16:26.05 | schme | Yes, we have cracked it. |
| 16:26.06 | KWartS | kramed: minicom? which one digital signage or serial comunication? |
| 16:26.07 | Wyzard | lipstick_: They almost certainly don't have enough computing power to do brute-force attacks, trying every possible key |
| 16:26.08 | abrotman | lipstick_: what does this have to do with Debian ? |
| 16:26.08 | wols | lipstick_: cryptanalysis |
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| 16:26.17 | Wyzard | lipstick_: by mathematical analysis by very smart people |
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| 16:26.45 | Wyzard | lipstick_: abrotman is right, detailed discussions of cryptography are off-topic in #debian |
| 16:26.47 | schme | No, we just put the encrypted data on a floppy disk and nuke it in the microwave oven for 4.5 minutes. It cracks it all. |
| 16:26.56 | aadil | i read that too... |
| 16:27.02 | aadil | in one of dan brown's novels |
| 16:27.05 | aadil | :> |
| 16:27.06 | abrotman | i'm sure there's a #crypto or similar |
| 16:27.12 | Wyzard | lipstick_: If you want to learn more you should consider getting a book, such as "Applied Cryptography" by Bruce Schneier |
| 16:27.18 | aadil | heh |
| 16:27.21 | aadil | my one time bible |
| 16:27.26 | aadil | :) |
| 16:27.42 | aadil | now Dianetics turns me on |
| 16:27.45 | aadil | ;D |
| 16:28.35 | wols | aadil: I can't decide which is worse |
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| 16:28.49 | aadil | :> |
| 16:29.51 | lipstick_ | wols, explain more about this 'cryptanalysis' |
| 16:29.56 | abrotman | lipstick_: ask google |
| 16:30.12 | lipstick_ | wols, in what way would they make sense out of the encrypted information? |
| 16:30.22 | Wyzard | lipstick_: It's a complex field of mathematics |
| 16:30.28 | rahul | lipstick_: is it because of cryptanalysis that you are worried about your family? |
| 16:30.36 | wiedenmann | The Allies got access to the Echolon machine, the current code word had to be guessed (AFAIK) |
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| 16:30.50 | Wyzard | wiedenmann: You're thinking of Enigma |
| 16:30.53 | wols | lipstick_: listen to abrotman and look for an approriate channel |
| 16:30.55 | wiedenmann | ah right |
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| 16:30.58 | wiedenmann | so anyone got a bit of debian related help on howto install using apt-get as a normal user into ~/? |
| 16:31.03 | abrotman | can't |
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| 16:31.14 | schme | lipstick_: Please google. |
| 16:31.22 | vulture | wiedenmann: could make a chroot & install debian there |
| 16:31.22 | abrotman | you could get a package and extract it .. but it's not 'installed' |
| 16:31.27 | wols | wiedenmann: unpack the debs to ~ |
| 16:31.34 | wols | apt-get and dpkg can't do it direclty |
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| 16:31.52 | klync | anyone familiar with the way the mailer recipes work in exim4.conf.template? i'd like to test a change which i think might fix a bug |
| 16:31.52 | rahul | and the deb probably won't get installed quite right |
| 16:31.53 | wiedenmann | doesnt apt use a ${prefix}? Does that not help me? |
| 16:32.01 | rahul | wiedenmann: no |
| 16:32.06 | abrotman | when building a binary package perhaps .. but not when installing |
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| 16:32.14 | wiedenmann | too bad |
| 16:32.19 | solemnwarning | I've installed dhcp3-server and bind9 on an etch box, but I can't get dynamic DNS working for some reason |
| 16:32.32 | abrotman | wiedenmann: dpkg --unpack .. closest you'll get i'm afraid |
| 16:32.33 | rahul | wiedenmann: some packages will really be a mess if you unpack them to ~/ and try to set them up properly |
| 16:32.33 | solemnwarning | Nothing seems wrong with the config files and there's nothing in the logs about it |
| 16:32.53 | klync | solemnwarning: did you specify allow-updates in named.conf? |
| 16:32.53 | rahul | solemnwarning: works for me with dnsmasq... |
| 16:33.06 | solemnwarning | klync: allow-update? yes |
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| 16:33.35 | klync | solemnwarning: do you get a log message of the error? |
| 16:33.55 | xand | abrotman: so, I was reading this interview with ian murdock... he considers ubuntu to "be debian", so should we support it here? :) |
| 16:33.59 | solemnwarning | No errors, no mention of it at all |
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| 16:34.37 | solemnwarning | Running it with -d -f doesn't get any info either |
| 16:34.46 | simonrvn | i keep meaning to set that up for here, but keep forgetting about it... |
| 16:34.51 | vulture | xand: Who's he? |
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| 16:34.58 | J_P | hi all |
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| 16:35.06 | rahul | vulture: the "ian" in "debian" |
| 16:35.09 | abrotman | xand: he doesn't do much within debian anymore AFAICT .. so does it really matter ? |
| 16:35.22 | vulture | rahul: Good-o |
| 16:35.23 | Octopus | Any way I can see what brand/model ethernet card I have in debian? |
| 16:35.24 | Octopus | which tool does display that |
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| 16:35.32 | abrotman | xand: i can go make outlandish claims too .. but it means squat |
| 16:35.34 | solemnwarning | Octopus: lspci |
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| 16:35.39 | rahul | Octopus: the manual that came with it... |
| 16:35.47 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 16:35.47 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, chips! |
| 16:35.49 | rahul | lspci can tell you the chipset of it |
| 16:35.56 | Octopus | ok |
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| 16:36.11 | solemnwarning | Any suggestions with my dhcpd problem? |
| 16:36.12 | rahul | but udev will load the right driver for you |
| 16:36.30 | abrotman | usually |
| 16:36.30 | solemnwarning | I've been trying to figure out whats wrong for most of today |
| 16:36.31 | rahul | or whatever this thing is that makes my bootup spew errors left and right |
| 16:36.47 | xand | abrotman: but you're not the creator of debian! |
| 16:36.48 | Octopus | apt-cache search lspci |
| 16:36.49 | Octopus | nothing found |
| 16:36.54 | solemnwarning | My config matches what a bunch of tutorials say, and is how I've done it before |
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| 16:37.08 | abrotman | xand: and? if he wants to go to #ubuntu and support them .. let him .. doesn't mean we should here |
| 16:37.09 | solemnwarning | Octopus: pciutils |
| 16:37.23 | simonrvn | are they the kind that you can use with salsa? are they corn? |
| 16:37.33 | simonrvn | mmm corn |
| 16:37.34 | abrotman | simonrvn: BBQ maybe ? |
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| 16:37.40 | abrotman | maize? |
| 16:37.43 | Octopus | solemnwarning: ii pciutils 2.2.4~pre4-1 Linux PCI Utilities |
| 16:37.47 | Octopus | its standard installed right |
| 16:37.48 | simonrvn | yes that corn ;) |
| 16:37.50 | abrotman | hehe |
| 16:37.55 | simonrvn | :D |
| 16:38.14 | abrotman | that'd be a great idea! |
| 16:38.21 | simonrvn | yes it would |
| 16:38.25 | abrotman | or at least check the logs |
| 16:38.29 | solemnwarning | ARGH |
| 16:38.32 | solemnwarning | Nothing in the logs! |
| 16:38.36 | abrotman | put something in them! |
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| 16:38.44 | abrotman | turn up verbosity on logging perhaps |
| 16:39.04 | simonrvn | huge and long-running ;) |
| 16:39.14 | solemnwarning | Apache! |
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| 16:39.37 | rahul | mine's huge and runs for a long time |
| 16:39.41 | rahul | oh wait |
| 16:40.00 | simonrvn | tmi |
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| 16:43.51 | klync | anyone familiar enough with customizing exim4 config to have a look at my issue with me? i'm trying to understand exactly how these mailer rules work |
| 16:45.05 | xand | don't ask to ask, just ask :) |
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| 16:45.57 | solemnwarning | Try asking a wall |
| 16:46.02 | solemnwarning | You might get better help >_> |
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| 16:46.30 | klync | alright, changes i've recently merged in from a dpkg upgrade ... smtp auth isn't working because it writes the creds on the same line as the auth command rather than waiting for the (smarthost) server to return 334 to the "auth plain" command ... i'd like to rewrite the mailer rule to wait, or at least print a newline before the auth secret |
| 16:46.35 | klync | http://www.26a.net/~klync/exim4.conf.template.diffs-r1.3-r1.4 |
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| 16:50.20 | irule | for a quick restart I killed squids processes and deleted /var/run/squid.pid but now it will not start! what can I do? |
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| 16:51.34 | bkw | What error do you get? |
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| 16:52.25 | wiedenmann | how can I add ~/s/man as search path for man? I tried setting MANPATH=~/s/man, this finds manual pages under ~/s/man but all the system manpages are lost now. |
| 16:52.52 | noorul | MANPATH=$MANPATH:~/s/man |
| 16:53.16 | wiedenmann | noorul: MANPATH is not set if I dont set it, so that would end up MANPATH=:~/s/man |
| 16:53.50 | noorul | wiedenmann: what happens if you didnt set MANPATH? |
| 16:54.00 | xand | WOMANPATH? |
| 16:54.45 | wiedenmann | noorul: the system manpages are found, not the ones in ~/s/man though |
| 16:54.58 | wiedenmann | xand: what is WOMANPATH? |
| 16:55.17 | cydork | wiedenmann: use manpath to find out the default paths set and that to your $MANPATH |
| 16:55.35 | noorul | MANPATH=`manpath`:~/s/man |
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| 16:55.46 | noorul | i think that will work |
| 16:55.47 | cydork | wiedenmann: womenpath -- route to the closest pub :P |
| 16:55.50 | noorul | read man manpath |
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| 16:56.25 | xand | wiedenmann: it's for female users of course |
| 16:57.02 | noorul | wiedenmann: did that work? |
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| 16:57.34 | wiedenmann | sorry, I am reading and not that fast ... |
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| 16:57.53 | noorul | wiedenmann: try MANPATH=`manpath`:~/s/man |
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| 16:58.04 | noorul | wiedenmann: I think that will work |
| 16:58.10 | wiedenmann | Right know I think that MANPATH=~/s/scr: with the final ":" works because manpath is used by man and it seems to add /etc/manpath.config if you have the final : |
| 16:58.49 | wiedenmann | noorul: it should be the other way around to search for man pages in ~/s/man first, in my case I overwrite man vim with my own version. |
| 16:59.02 | noorul | wiedenmann: it will search for ~/s/scr first then. I think the order should be system man and then other |
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| 16:59.19 | noorul | wiedenmann: oh okay |
| 16:59.21 | noorul | wiedenmann: fine |
| 16:59.23 | xand | wiedenmann: it was a joke :P |
| 16:59.30 | wiedenmann | noorul: it should be your config, then the system default config |
| 16:59.40 | wiedenmann | xand: I noticed, why stating the obviouse? |
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| 17:01.25 | klync | can someone help me get a hold of the original exim4.conf.template that would ship with the pkg? |
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| 17:02.46 | wiedenmann | klync: apt-get source exim4 maybe? |
| 17:03.11 | wiedenmann | thank you guys, cu later |
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| 17:03.43 | par_LT | any1 used tftpd ever? |
| 17:03.52 | par_LT | tftp> get /tftpboot/F_05_60.swi |
| 17:03.52 | par_LT | Error code 2: Access violation |
| 17:03.53 | par_LT | :( |
| 17:04.01 | par_LT | can't update my procurve :( |
| 17:05.15 | troytroy | which modules do i need to enable to allow https support for apache2 |
| 17:07.05 | unlink | my installed files are not appearing in my debian package, despited being listed in packagename.install |
| 17:07.05 | unlink | how can i debug this? |
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| 17:07.06 | troytroy | "apache2-ssl-certificate -days 365" |
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| 17:07.06 | GomoX | Hey |
| 17:07.06 | troytroy | command not supported |
| 17:07.07 | GomoX | Can someone tell me what the permissions are on debian 4 for /bin/mount |
| 17:07.07 | troytroy | any clues? |
| 17:07.08 | GomoX | troytroy: what's the problem? |
| 17:07.09 | xand | that command is no longer in debian |
| 17:07.10 | GomoX | ls -l /bin/mount anyone? |
| 17:07.10 | kromagg | GomoX: -rwsr-xr-x |
| 17:07.12 | kromagg | GomoX: though I would be interested to know why you're asking? |
| 17:07.13 | rpc | what is the best method of shredding data? |
| 17:07.13 | GomoX | thanks kromagg |
| 17:07.14 | simonrvn | -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 84K 2007-02-21 18:08 /bin/mount |
| 17:07.29 | GomoX | kromagg: a friend chmod 755'ed mount |
| 17:07.36 | troytroy | "apache2-ssl-certificate -days 365" -bash: apache2-ssl-certificate: command not found |
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| 17:07.38 | GomoX | so i wanted to make sure debian had the sud bit too |
| 17:07.40 | simonrvn | supposed to be set setuid |
| 17:07.46 | troytroy | whats the problem |
| 17:07.50 | GomoX | because i didn't seem to remember it being that way |
| 17:07.52 | rpc | e.g. shred isn't really good with journaling file systems like ext3 |
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| 17:08.26 | valdyn | rpc: there's can be no secure tool that is file system agnostic |
| 17:08.30 | simonrvn | troytroy: uh, command not found.... simple |
| 17:08.48 | rpc | valdyn should i perform a shredding on the device instead then? |
| 17:08.53 | simonrvn | O_O |
| 17:08.57 | valdyn | rpc: and to be aware of filesystems completely it would have to be a kernel driver |
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| 17:09.13 | valdyn | rpc: yea |
| 17:09.20 | valdyn | rpc: if that's an option |
| 17:09.32 | rpc | valdyn i assume that removing partitions isn't enough |
| 17:09.40 | rpc | and i wonder about the next step |
| 17:09.45 | valdyn | rpc: you just overwrite whole disks |
| 17:10.00 | rpc | valdyn dd? |
| 17:10.03 | troytroy | !dpkg -bash: apache2-ssl-certificate |
| 17:10.05 | valdyn | rpc: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda1 for example |
| 17:10.09 | troytroy | !dpkg apache2-ssl-certificate |
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| 17:10.23 | rpc | valdyn mhm so zeroing a partition like that |
| 17:10.37 | valdyn | rpc: repeat that ( possibly with /dev/urandom a dozen times for military grade security ( which is probably overkill anyway ) |
| 17:10.41 | rpc | valdyn how about patterns? can i have some of those with dd? |
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| 17:10.52 | rpc | oh /dev/random.. how cool :) |
| 17:10.53 | sohmestra | valdyn: no tool that works on a per file basis anyway |
| 17:11.04 | troytroy | simonrvn which pkg come with apache2-ssl-certificate utility |
| 17:11.07 | rpc | nice to see you again sohmestra :) |
| 17:11.07 | valdyn | sohmestra: yea |
| 17:11.24 | sohmestra | rpc: try dban |
| 17:11.40 | rpc | ok so first step would be to remove the filesystem and then dd /dev/urandom the partition several times |
| 17:11.45 | rpc | dban? hm |
| 17:11.45 | sohmestra | rpc: assuming you are wiping a partition |
| 17:11.46 | simonrvn | troytroy: xand says it doesn't exists anymore |
| 17:11.51 | rpc | sohmestra yes |
| 17:11.56 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:11.58 | endra | is 'null' in /dev/null just a program that does nothing with that data its given? |
| 17:11.59 | troytroy | ok |
| 17:11.59 | hark | troytroy: use openssl or make-ssl-cert |
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| 17:12.11 | troytroy | ok |
| 17:12.11 | simonrvn | exist* |
| 17:12.13 | rpc | endra it's a blackhole |
| 17:12.28 | rpc | sohmestra reading up... thank you |
| 17:12.29 | simonrvn | it's a device file, not a program |
| 17:12.53 | endra | In that case I should contact stephen hawking and tell him to stop looking out there and start looking in my computer |
| 17:13.12 | simonrvn | heh |
| 17:13.23 | wintix | i'm looking for an open source alternative to cubase, etc for linux. any hints? googling didn't really give me useful information. |
| 17:13.43 | sohmestra | wintix: cubase is audio editing softare, right? |
| 17:13.46 | klync | wintix: rosegarden is one |
| 17:13.51 | rpc | wintix honestly... no way |
| 17:13.56 | valdyn | wintix: rosegarden is a sequencer. If that's an alternative, up to you |
| 17:13.57 | wintix | sohmestra: yes. multi channel recording software |
| 17:14.07 | sohmestra | wintix: ardour perhaps? |
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| 17:14.21 | rpc | wintix you could get some tools for sure but none of them is as superior as cubase.. |
| 17:14.37 | rpc | a friend went that road sometime ago.. |
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| 17:15.31 | klync | wintix: idunno if demudi is still around, but it was a debian-based distro for musicians - actually just an extra apt source, not really a distro, afaik |
| 17:15.35 | troytroy | hark how do i accomplish the same output for "apache2-ssl-certificate -days 365" with openssl |
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| 17:16.04 | wintix | thank you, guys. i will have a look at the suggested tools. :) |
| 17:16.16 | neverblue | i have just setup my system to run duals, I am having an issue with changing the res on the second screen (SiS 300 + ATI Rage), I edited my xorg.conf to only have "higher" res, but its falling on 800x600, anything I can do to change it? |
| 17:16.35 | GomoX | what's the metapackage for kde desktop in etch? |
| 17:16.37 | h3sp4wn | wintix: cubase is mediocre anyway, |
| 17:16.50 | rpc | sohmestra i'm unable to grab dban with apt, is that normal? |
| 17:16.54 | wintix | h3sp4wn: what would you suggest? |
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| 17:17.26 | valdyn | GomoX: 'kde' |
| 17:17.41 | GomoX | thanks |
| 17:17.44 | troytroy | how do i accomplish the same output for "apache2-ssl-certificate -days 365" with openssl |
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| 17:17.54 | troytroy | !dpkg openssl |
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| 17:18.10 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 17:18.23 | wols | !openssl |
| 17:18.23 | dpkg | methinks openssl is the OpenSource version of Secure Socket Layer, or http://www.openssl.org/ |
| 17:18.28 | sohmestra | rpc: ah sorry. It's not a debian package. google it. |
| 17:18.36 | rpc | oh it's a bootable cd... |
| 17:18.41 | h3sp4wn | wintix: I think the reason why the linux tools get a bad rep (ardour etc) is because musicians generally are not computer particularly interested in computers only in music (so hence they are resistant to change) - If you wanted to buy one my brother records bands (for a living) and uses either logic or pro tools (pro tools is only worth it on the super expensive one) |
| 17:18.53 | sohmestra | rpc: I _think_ it can do individual partitions, but it might only do whole disks... |
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| 17:19.18 | rpc | sohmestra it looks like wiping a drive isn't really a simple thing to do |
| 17:19.22 | rpc | scary even |
| 17:19.29 | sohmestra | rpc: I've only ever used it for wiping full disks. |
| 17:19.31 | simonrvn | troytroy: google for scripts that make server certs... and you'll need a CA cert (one you make or one you got) |
| 17:19.50 | rpc | sohmestra do you remember how long does it take to wipe a drive? |
| 17:19.59 | rpc | like how many gigs per minute |
| 17:20.05 | simonrvn | depends how large it is... |
| 17:20.10 | sohmestra | rpc: depends how paranoid you are, and how large your disk is ;o) |
| 17:20.15 | HardDisk_WP | how do I force apt-get to install the new config files of a package? |
| 17:20.20 | h3sp4wn | wintix: The thing about attempting to get audio multitracking working optimally on a general purpose distro is there is a lot of things you need to change (real time kernel , patch pam (maybe that is not need anymore not sure) and if you are using anything other than stable things change in a subtle way over time |
| 17:20.25 | HardDisk_WP | I cant use purge, because the pkg is bash |
| 17:20.26 | simonrvn | !tell HardDisk_WP -about confmiss |
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| 17:20.40 | rpc | well that drive will just go to some unknown person and people like to recover shit... they better not this time |
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| 17:21.18 | sohmestra | rpc: also depends on how fast your disk is. The last disk i wiped did 20MB/s |
| 17:21.21 | wintix | h3sp4wn: thank you. i'm going to have a look at it anyways, maybe it isn't that hard to get working and fits my needs. |
| 17:21.24 | simonrvn | h3sp4wn: it isn't. just a RT kernel and some OS tweaks to work with the RT kernel... and the RT kernel mod for the capability driver |
| 17:22.12 | rpc | sohmestra thank you - that gives me a picture |
| 17:22.20 | h3sp4wn | simonrvn: The OS tweaks are substantial (I have done it before) |
| 17:22.23 | simonrvn | h3sp4wn: clarification: realtime 3rd party kernel driver, instead of the capability driver (latter comes with kernel source) |
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| 17:22.49 | simonrvn | sure, but if you're going to do that sort of thing full-time, you need it |
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| 17:23.37 | h3sp4wn | simonrvn: I don't doubt that, but having to repeat them often (i.e using testing or unstable) is a pain in the ass. |
| 17:23.38 | troytroy | how do i generate certificates |
| 17:23.55 | simonrvn | ugh, no kidding |
| 17:23.57 | troytroy | debian always have old pkgs |
| 17:24.03 | h3sp4wn | simonrvn: When something like 64 studio is optimised for exactly that |
| 17:24.14 | simonrvn | nod |
| 17:24.14 | troytroy | i think i need to switch to ubuntu |
| 17:24.32 | simonrvn | using stable troytroy? |
| 17:24.36 | GomoX | i just switched to ubuntu |
| 17:24.38 | GomoX | man it's god |
| 17:24.40 | GomoX | *goods |
| 17:24.42 | GomoX | crap |
| 17:24.44 | GomoX | *good |
| 17:24.50 | neverblue | i have just setup my system to run duals, I am having an issue with changing the res on the second screen (SiS 300 + ATI Rage), I edited my xorg.conf to only have "higher" res, but its falling on 800x600, anything I can do to change it? |
| 17:25.13 | h3sp4wn | GomoX: still not sure what you think personally I would agree with "crap" |
| 17:25.24 | troytroy | simonrvn yes etch stable |
| 17:25.40 | GomoX | h3sp4wn: have you tried ubuntu? i am seriously impressed |
| 17:25.52 | simonrvn | troytroy: desktop box? |
| 17:25.58 | troytroy | nope server |
| 17:26.07 | GomoX | there is some blackbox-ness here and there but for a desktop it's perfect |
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| 17:26.12 | simonrvn | well then don't bitch ;) |
| 17:26.16 | GomoX | heh |
| 17:26.41 | klync | troytroy: i wrote this a while ago, hope it helps: http://www.26a.net/~klync/bash/ssl-readme.txt |
| 17:26.41 | troytroy | simonrvn want to configure it as a radius server + hotspot gateway |
| 17:26.41 | GomoX | ubuntu server is pointless though debian is everything you want for that |
| 17:26.42 | BSM | hi, is there a way to unload hci_usb while there are usb devices plugged? |
| 17:26.51 | BSM | i want to stop usb without unplugging the devices |
| 17:27.03 | BSM | because after suspend and resume they don't work without unplugging |
| 17:27.05 | valdyn | BSM: if you manually remove the device drivesr first |
| 17:27.33 | valdyn | BSM: you should use a real suspend tool for that, they all do this |
| 17:28.03 | BSM | valdyn, echo disk > /sys/power/state IS a real suspend tool :-P |
| 17:28.11 | valdyn | BSM: not really |
| 17:28.12 | BSM | umm which one, such things like hibernate.sh? |
| 17:28.32 | ma3x | BSM, ram is better |
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| 17:28.46 | BSM | ma3x, ram is the name? |
| 17:28.53 | valdyn | BSM: there's a hibernate package, that's ok |
| 17:28.57 | ma3x | BSM, I guess so .. |
| 17:29.09 | valdyn | ma3x: better for what? |
| 17:29.15 | BSM | ok thanks, its a try |
| 17:29.20 | valdyn | ma3x: certainly nott for suspending for a week |
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| 17:29.26 | BSM | although my laptop works out of the box quite good |
| 17:29.30 | ma3x | echo disk > /sys/power/state is not that good, scripts are usually better because they give you the possibility to blacklist modules |
| 17:29.50 | ma3x | valdyn, well for a few days! |
| 17:29.55 | valdyn | BSM: you're free to reinvent the wheel by hacking up workarounds for the usual suspend/resume issues, but you dont have to.. |
| 17:30.08 | ma3x | I never use the suspend to disk |
| 17:30.11 | ma3x | never needed it |
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| 17:30.31 | BSM | valdyn, i like that ;) |
| 17:30.37 | BSM | but yeah, i will try it |
| 17:30.39 | BSM | thanks for the hints |
| 17:30.50 | tvynr | Does anyone know of a bandwidth throttling module for Apache that is packaged for Debian that will work on a per-file or per-file-type basis? |
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| 17:32.16 | ustunozgur | when I run the hibernate script, it fails at about 50-60% and then X comes up again, as if nothing has happened. Why is that? Or how can I track the error? |
| 17:32.21 | troytroy | klync i just went true your doc but a bit confused |
| 17:32.28 | valdyn | ustunozgur: read the log |
| 17:32.39 | troytroy | klync could you please throw more light |
| 17:32.46 | Fox | tydelNL: tried mod-iptos ? |
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| 17:33.05 | ustunozgur | valdyn: it's empty. |
| 17:33.08 | savetheWorld | hi, I need to add a user account that runs a command automatically for the user (No shell) thats easy to do, but I need to set the account to have no password. That I'm having trouble with. I changed the /etc/pam.d/common-passwd file file to have the optional keyword but I still cant get an empty password to work. |
| 17:33.10 | klync | troytroy: gotta go for about 10 min... i'll ping you when i'm bakc |
| 17:33.12 | troytroy | klync are they steps or options to choose from |
| 17:33.17 | valdyn | ustunozgur: which log if empty? |
| 17:33.26 | savetheWorld | Can anyone lend me a clue? |
| 17:33.29 | h3sp4wn | wintix: It is possible to do audio on Debian but you will spend alot of time just making you machine suitable to do so (testing or unstable is not suitable as mentioned above) and with stable you will spend alot of time backporting apps (as most of this stuff is still getting very much developed) |
| 17:33.32 | roland | can i learn unix the hard way, by using my older PIII running unixware 7.1.3 ? |
| 17:33.35 | ustunozgur | valdyn: /var/log/hibernate.log |
| 17:33.42 | savetheWorld | roland: yes, |
| 17:33.55 | savetheWorld | roland: but switch to a Linux |
| 17:34.06 | slacker403 | how can i istall mysql ? apt-get install mysql is not working |
| 17:34.09 | savetheWorld | unixware has little time left |
| 17:34.10 | wols | roland: why do you ask for unixware help in #debian? |
| 17:34.17 | roland | savetheWorld: i already run linux on my main pc, p4.. i need to taste other cookies too |
| 17:34.20 | roland | not same meal everywheere |
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| 17:34.24 | wols | roland: get a BSD |
| 17:34.26 | roland | wols , sorry, i'll stop |
| 17:34.32 | wols | or a solaris.those have actually a future |
| 17:34.34 | savetheWorld | roland: unixware is a SCO product. |
| 17:34.43 | wintix | h3sp4wn: i think at least now i know what i want. ardour seems to be quite nice. |
| 17:34.58 | savetheWorld | roland: SCO is in strong disfavor in the community and the marketplace. |
| 17:34.58 | roland | i have bsd, i have solaris 9/10, i have sco too, and i want to try sco :P |
| 17:35.01 | roland | i know that |
| 17:35.10 | wols | slacker403: apt-cache search mysql-server |
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| 17:35.15 | savetheWorld | suit yourself, but dont ask here |
| 17:35.21 | wintix | h3sp4wn: i will have a closer look at it later thet evening. |
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| 17:35.33 | bubux | lool.. this is new to me: http://badvista.fsf.org/ |
| 17:35.34 | PingFloyd | it's a loaded question obviously |
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| 17:35.58 | valdyn | ustunozgur: that's your Verbosity set to? |
| 17:36.07 | valdyn | ustunozgur: in hibernate's config |
| 17:36.14 | valdyn | ustunozgur: what's your Verbosity set to? |
| 17:36.15 | duns_s | hi |
| 17:36.17 | duns_s | i've read that openssh does not include the chroot patch, is that right for etch, too? |
| 17:36.40 | savetheWorld | Anyone know what needs to be done to set up an account with no password? |
| 17:36.40 | ustunozgur | valdyn: 4 |
| 17:36.52 | sohmestra | savetheWorld: adduser --disable-passwd foo |
| 17:36.56 | valdyn | ustunozgur: and LogVerbosity ? |
| 17:36.57 | h3sp4wn | roland: It is the hard way (I have had to adminster SCO Openserver 5 before) it has crapness about it that no other UNIX has |
| 17:36.58 | slacker403 | also why is my bind server taking 3-5 mins to start up |
| 17:37.00 | slacker403 | it works |
| 17:37.04 | savetheWorld | sohmestra: thank you |
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| 17:37.07 | slacker403 | after it starts but thats ridiculous |
| 17:37.21 | sohmestra | savetheWorld: --disabled-password, rather |
| 17:37.55 | ustunozgur | valdyn: but there are many conf files. which one are you talking about exactly? hibernate.conf in /etc/hibernate? |
| 17:38.01 | sohmestra | savetheWorld: alternatively you could do: man adduser ;o) |
| 17:38.10 | valdyn | ustunozgur: yea, that is the default |
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| 17:38.23 | valdyn | ustunozgur: the others have to be specified on the commandline |
| 17:38.29 | LeVA | hi |
| 17:38.37 | ustunozgur | valdyn: there is no logverbosity option in that file. |
| 17:38.47 | slacker403 | anyone about my DNS server ? |
| 17:39.11 | ustunozgur | valdyn: I'm going to add that and try again. brb. |
| 17:39.18 | valdyn | ustunozgur: its in the manpage |
| 17:39.36 | LeVA | got the updated kmail 3.5.7 from unstable, but it doesn't include the new "Show the User-Agent or X-Mailer value in fancy headers if so configured" feature. will the kmail package be updated further more? |
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| 17:40.07 | valdyn | ustunozgur: your hibernate is just getting stuck at removing something which is busy and is not killing the processes using it , i suppose |
| 17:40.38 | ustunozgur | ok, valdyn, thank you, I will investigate the man page further. |
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| 17:42.37 | xjih78 | hi everyone |
| 17:42.52 | savetheWorld | sohmestra: being an old line hacker I almost never use adduser. :-) I usually just vipw. |
| 17:43.06 | troytroy | valdyn can you help me in creating a self signed certificate for my server |
| 17:43.23 | duns_s | any help? |
| 17:43.36 | valdyn | troytroy: which server? |
| 17:43.42 | troytroy | valdyn unfortunate "apache2-ssl-certificate -days 365" is no more available |
| 17:43.43 | xjih78 | can you help me solve a problem with a sound card input? |
| 17:43.46 | valdyn | troytroy: that's usually in /usr/share/doc, btw |
| 17:44.15 | xjih78 | the output is ok. i can listen to music, view videos, browse youtube cool! |
| 17:44.15 | valdyn | !tell xjih78 -about ask |
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| 17:44.43 | duns_s | nobody? last chance ;-) |
| 17:44.44 | xjih78 | Linux July 2.6.18-4-686 #1 SMP Wed May 9 23:03:12 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 17:45.10 | valdyn | slacker403: rread the logfile |
| 17:45.11 | troytroy | valdyn ? |
| 17:46.25 | slacker403 | valdyn: yea i am right ow |
| 17:46.25 | slacker403 | also |
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| 17:46.25 | slacker403 | how much ram does mysql use ? |
| 17:46.26 | gordboy | lots |
| 17:46.26 | xjih78 | i tried running alsaconf and reconfigure the card |
| 17:46.26 | valdyn | slacker403: very few or very much, we cant know how much your db needs |
| 17:46.26 | xjih78 | but my prayers were not answered :) |
| 17:46.28 | slacker403 | valdyn: a fresh install of mysql |
| 17:46.36 | slacker403 | nothing on it running |
| 17:46.45 | xjih78 | tried cat /dev/dsp |
| 17:46.46 | savetheWorld | sohmestra: note that option does not enable passwordless login. - it makes a login on that account require SSH-RSA keys. :-) |
| 17:46.58 | xjih78 | i got cat: /dev/dsp: Input/output error |
| 17:47.02 | valdyn | slacker403: few, and that few would be resting on swap soon too |
| 17:47.12 | savetheWorld | sohmestra: --disabled-password |
| 17:47.13 | savetheWorld | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:47.21 | xjih78 | any ideas? |
| 17:47.32 | valdyn | xjih78: /dev/dsp is from OSS, it can be used from alsa via emulation, but you are better off not using it |
| 17:47.37 | valdyn | xjih78: try arecord |
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| 17:48.41 | valdyn | xjih78: alsa applications interact with sound devices via libasound, no one should access devices directly as with oss |
| 17:49.17 | astate | why would 'hostname -d' give my mydomain.com.mydomain.com, instead of just mydomain.com? |
| 17:49.51 | valdyn | astate: cat /etc/hostname |
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| 17:50.15 | astate | that shows myhost.mydomain.com |
| 17:50.15 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 17:50.15 | dpkg | <RQ> mwilson, i don't care what you think of me as long as you're helpful. |
| 17:50.18 | astate | just like it should |
| 17:50.32 | duns_s | has openssh in etch chroot support or not? |
| 17:50.33 | valdyn | astate: it shouldnt |
| 17:50.49 | valdyn | astate: it should contain just myhost |
| 17:50.52 | astate | oh |
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| 17:51.18 | jaqque | debian 4.0 etch amd64 xorg ati Radeon using xorg (and fglrx) drivers : has anyone else experienced keyrepeats? hit a once, a shows about four times. only in x. was able to repeat with dfferent keyboard, and using the ubunto 7.04 amd64 |
| 17:51.20 | astate | where do I manually set the domain name then? |
| 17:51.33 | xjih78 | valdyn, i've tried with skype and it doesn't still work |
| 17:51.39 | tarzeau | anyone play #bub-n-bros .sf.net w/ me? |
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| 17:51.52 | xjih78 | when i set the device to my usb cam/mic it works fine |
| 17:51.56 | valdyn | xjih78: you can set skye to use alsa |
| 17:52.01 | xjih78 | yes |
| 17:52.03 | xjih78 | i did that |
| 17:52.08 | xjih78 | i did both actually |
| 17:52.38 | valdyn | xjih78: and? is it giving an error or just not recording sound? |
| 17:53.05 | klync | troytroy: any progress? |
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| 17:53.24 | troytroy | klync nope waiting for you :) |
| 17:53.37 | valdyn | xjih78: piping arecord thru aplay is much nicer to debug, especially for us via irc |
| 17:53.39 | troytroy | klync are they steps or options |
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| 17:54.01 | valdyn | xjih78: like 'arecord | aplay' ( might need to give some options like device to use to arecord ) |
| 17:54.03 | klync | troytroy: k, well, the doc describes two different ways - creating a ca cert and using that to sign the server cert, or just creating a self-signed server cert |
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| 17:54.56 | troytroy | klync ok so how will apache know where the sert resides? |
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| 17:55.16 | klync | troytroy: you tell it in httpd.conf |
| 17:55.24 | xjih78 | Recording WAVE 'stdin' : Unsigned 8 bit, Rate 8000 Hz, Mono |
| 17:55.25 | xjih78 | Playing WAVE 'stdin' : Unsigned 8 bit, Rate 8000 Hz, Mono |
| 17:55.29 | xjih78 | and that's it |
| 17:56.12 | troytroy | klync SSLCertificateFile /etc/apache2/ssl/apache.pem ? |
| 17:56.29 | klync | troytroy: that's one of the relevant lines... there are a few |
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| 17:57.05 | klync | troytroy: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/ssl/ |
| 17:58.31 | cahoot | xjih78: try toggle capture in alsamixer |
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| 17:58.56 | troytroy | klync too many docs to read i just want achieve what "apache2-ssl-certificate -days 365" would have done |
| 17:58.56 | h3h_timo | does anyone know how to edit right click menus?? |
| 17:59.28 | klync | troytroy: i am not a shell script. i can't replace that file for you, and i can't be bothered if you can't be bothered to read the docs and help yourself |
| 18:00.16 | abrotman | ./klync |
| 18:00.22 | xjih78 | cahoot, there is no capture in alsamixer |
| 18:00.49 | klync | foo |
| 18:01.04 | xjih78 | cahoot, oops sorry |
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| 18:02.29 | duns_s | has the openssh server in etch chroot support or not? |
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| 18:03.03 | xjih78 | cahoot, still nothing |
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| 18:06.39 | donaldo | i have an Etch system, free -m is reporting that i only have 7 MB of total swap space, so i doublechecked my fstab to see which partion was being used for swap, and then checked its size with fdisk -l, and it's much much larger than 7 MB. can anyone help? |
| 18:07.43 | klync | donaldo: how about `cat /proc/swaps`? |
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| 18:08.54 | donaldo | klync: seems to agree with free -k |
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| 18:10.43 | troytroy | klync "part 1" "part 2" "method 2" |
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| 18:10.59 | troytroy | klync are they diffrent options |
| 18:11.04 | schme | donaldo: Try mkswap |
| 18:11.23 | duns_s | has openssh in debian etch the chroot functionality included or not? |
| 18:11.26 | klync | troytroy: part1+part2 = method 1 = create a ca cert and then a server cert signed by your own ca ; method 2 = create a self-signed server cert without a ca |
| 18:11.29 | donaldo | schme: can i do that on a partition that is currently being used as swap space? |
| 18:11.41 | schme | donaldo: I doubt it. swapoff ? |
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| 18:11.58 | troytroy | klync ok now its clear |
| 18:12.02 | klync | :) |
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| 18:12.42 | troytroy | klync please edit the changes so it becomes clear :) |
| 18:13.14 | donaldo | thanks schme, that did the job. thank you too klync |
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| 18:14.01 | donaldo | i didn't realize a swap partition had any special formatting to be read when the kernel decides to use it as swap |
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| 18:15.32 | schme | donaldo: Oh neat. You learnt something new then. :) |
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| 18:21.56 | mandingo | anyone have a line on a decent RAM wholesaler? |
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| 18:27.42 | neverblue | i have just setup my system to run duals, I am having an issue with changing the res on the second screen (SiS 300 + ATI Rage), I edited my xorg.conf to only have "higher" res, but its falling on 800x600, anything I can do to change it? |
| 18:27.55 | ustunozgur | I guess suspend2 is not a requirement for proper hibernating, right? But what are its advantages? as far as I understand, one has to go through the task of compiling a new kernel to make suspend2 work. |
| 18:28.16 | wols | ustunozgur: afaik it's faster |
| 18:28.20 | kth`` | What's the correct way to save/restore iptables rules at startup in debian? |
| 18:28.54 | ustunozgur | wols: OK. Thanks. |
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| 18:29.31 | troytroy | klync are there? |
| 18:29.38 | klync | yep |
| 18:29.57 | troytroy | klync i used second method |
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| 18:30.54 | troytroy | klync were created in /etc /ssl |
| 18:31.05 | troytroy | klync were created in /etc/ssl |
| 18:31.32 | jaqque | the answer: pass notsc to the kernel at boot time. |
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| 18:32.10 | troytroy | klync indeed am sorry |
| 18:32.15 | klync | np |
| 18:32.22 | klync | so... how's it working out |
| 18:32.23 | klync | ? |
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| 18:32.36 | albert | hi. i have a little, maybe foolish question: is it possible to let both, debian and ubuntu, use the same /boot directory? |
| 18:32.40 | troytroy | klync so please how do i enable apache to use it |
| 18:32.51 | klync | troytroy: read the docs |
| 18:32.54 | blinx | 5 * * * * command => every 5 minutes? |
| 18:33.02 | albert | partition.. |
| 18:33.14 | troytroy | klync there was no .pem file created |
| 18:33.25 | klync | blinx: */5 * * * * cmd |
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| 18:33.36 | klync | blinx: yours says at 5 min past every hour |
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| 18:34.33 | abrotman | albert: it should be |
| 18:34.36 | Skoal | Does anyone know why files in /usr/lib have the same name but follow with 0.0 like: libmp3lame.so.0 and libmp3lame.so.0.0.0 |
| 18:35.13 | blinx | klync: and every minute? |
| 18:35.22 | klync | * |
| 18:35.22 | blinx | * * * * * |
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| 18:35.27 | nite613_ | Is freeTDS + DBD::Sybase the recommended approach (ha!) to access an M$-SQL server from perl on debian? |
| 18:35.30 | albert | abrotman, so i thought, just wanted to be sure, before i completely wiped my harddrive to partition it as i will |
| 18:35.35 | nite613_ | Or is there a way using DBI::ODBC? |
| 18:35.46 | nite613_ | errr, DBD::ODBC |
| 18:35.46 | troytroy | klync i will for now just a small explanation |
| 18:35.50 | klync | nite613_: never tried it, but if i had to, i'd try the latter |
| 18:35.56 | abrotman | nite613_: sybase libs might work .. or ask #perl |
| 18:35.59 | h3h_timo | hey all, is there a way to customize a group so that anyone that joins it will have the same settings for their desktop and panels and such?? |
| 18:36.02 | troytroy | klync please :) |
| 18:36.20 | klync | troytroy: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/ssl/ |
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| 18:37.11 | troytroy | klync :( |
| 18:37.23 | kth`` | What's the correct way to save/restore iptables rules at startup in debian? |
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| 18:38.03 | sepski | kth``, did you read in /usr/share/doc/iptables* ? |
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| 18:39.16 | dkr | I just make my own firewall script in /etc/init.d |
| 18:39.18 | kth`` | sepski, are you sure there's something debian related there? |
| 18:39.44 | dkr | you mean, like README.Debian.gz ? ;) |
| 18:40.37 | dkr | it actually recommends using pre-up, interesting |
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| 18:41.16 | dkr | it covers all the options, though, including the way I do it. |
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| 18:41.54 | kth`` | dkr; Hmm... Weirdness... I've no READMEs in the dir |
| 18:42.12 | troytroy | klync just need a to enable https support in order for chillispot to function |
| 18:42.33 | troytroy | klync its not very urgent for me to read throug a whole doc of security |
| 18:42.35 | dkr | % dpkg -S /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian.gz |
| 18:42.35 | dkr | iptables: /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian.gz |
| 18:42.40 | klync | troytroy: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/ssl/ssl_howto.html |
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| 18:42.50 | denken | dkr: pre-up is the preferred method. otherwise you'd have a few moments of your interface up and repsonding before the firewall chain is fully built. |
| 18:42.53 | fuzzy_logic | hello people |
| 18:42.58 | sepski | dkr, thats in sarge |
| 18:43.00 | klync | troytroy: if it's not that urgent for you to read the doc, why do you think it should be important enough for me to answer you? |
| 18:43.04 | fuzzy_logic | anyone have idea how i can make my own web repositories for apt-get?? please help me... |
| 18:43.05 | sepski | kth``, look in the html dir |
| 18:43.25 | denken | fuzzy_logic: there is an apt mirroring how-to at debian.org |
| 18:43.25 | dkr | sepski: ah, yeah, just realized that, was in wrong xterm, :) |
| 18:43.27 | abrotman | !repository |
| 18:43.27 | dpkg | i guess debian repository is a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with apt-get. A howto is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html |
| 18:43.28 | klync | troytroy: unless you want to pay me to do your work for you... |
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| 18:44.54 | fuzzy_logic | denken: ok i will have a loot at it.. |
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| 18:47.20 | troytroy | i hate when people refer others to read a whole doc just for a small configuration |
| 18:47.25 | troytroy | what is irc for |
| 18:47.50 | denken | for chatting |
| 18:48.15 | troytroy | debian always makes configuartion difficult. |
| 18:48.27 | dkr | troytroy: "If you give a man a fish he won't be hungry for a day, but if you teach a man how to fish he will never be hungry again." |
| 18:48.51 | troytroy | fedora always installs apache with all dependencies for serving pages |
| 18:49.07 | kth`` | ls -R1 /usr/share/doc/iptables/|grep -i debian |
| 18:49.07 | kth`` | changelog.Debian.gz :\ |
| 18:49.42 | dkr | close, "Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day, but set fire to him and he's warm for the rest of his life." -- Terry Pratchett, in _Jingo_ |
| 18:49.54 | troytroy | well sometimes he burn to ashes before the next day |
| 18:49.55 | klync | :) |
| 18:50.03 | troytroy | and there will be no life |
| 18:50.12 | dkr | troytroy: that's the point, the rest of his life isn't very long |
| 18:50.28 | troytroy | crazy anyway :) |
| 18:50.41 | bubux | know* |
| 18:50.48 | fuzzy_logic | denken: i can't find anything on the debian site.. can you please give me the exact link? would really appreciate it :) |
| 18:50.53 | valdyn | quit |
| 18:50.54 | troytroy | thing with debian is it always messes configuration |
| 18:51.17 | troytroy | location of configuration files are not standard |
| 18:51.26 | dkr | There are 10 types of people, those that find "there are 10 types of people" jokes funny, and those who don't :) |
| 18:51.31 | troytroy | see how it splits the httpd.conf file |
| 18:51.50 | klync | troytroy: 1970 is calling... they want their #1 complaint about unix back |
| 18:52.07 | atealtha | troytroy: a lot of distros change configuration files to match their setup |
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| 18:52.56 | troytroy | klync well no .pem file was created |
| 18:52.58 | joakim | Hey. I have a question, does anyone know how i would be able to migrate from raid 1 to raid 6 in a system |
| 18:53.06 | joakim | where there only are 4 disks |
| 18:53.16 | jelly-home | troytroy: I happen to like Debian's splitting of apache2 config. |
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| 18:53.21 | joakim | err: correction, five disks |
| 18:53.25 | dkr | troytroy: http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/Info/DistrosDefaultLayout |
| 18:54.38 | dkr | joakim: with 4 disks, I think you'd be better off with raid 10 than raid 6 (better write performance, same space loss) |
| 18:54.48 | joakim | ah |
| 18:54.55 | joakim | is it simple to migrate to raid 10 then? |
| 18:54.55 | dkr | or 0+1 |
| 18:55.01 | joakim | 10 is faster |
| 18:55.06 | denken | fuzzy_logic: i use this script: http://www.debian.org/mirror/anonftpsync |
| 18:55.10 | joakim | but the thing is, with raid 6, i can lose any two disks |
| 18:55.14 | jelly-home | joakim: as simple as "backup, reformat, restore" |
| 18:55.16 | troytroy | klync as far as i know we use a2enmod ssl to enable ssl support |
| 18:55.20 | joakim | but with raid 10, i can only lose two from two different disks |
| 18:55.26 | dkr | joakim: ah, right |
| 18:55.30 | joakim | jelly-home: but i don't ehm, have space for that. |
| 18:56.08 | joakim | i've got four sata 320gb disks, where on the two first debian is currently installed |
| 18:56.09 | fuzzy_logic | denken: i'm sorry.. i'm a complete noob at this.. what do i have to do with it? |
| 18:56.32 | joakim | also i've got one ide drive, also 320gb (all seagates, identical except for it being ide (ran out of sata ports)) |
| 18:57.16 | dkr | I think migrating from raid1 to raid10 might be possible, you turn single radi 1 nito two raid1s, then make radi0 out of those two |
| 18:57.29 | joakim | hmm |
| 18:57.32 | joakim | just |
| 18:57.33 | dkr | no way to migrate to raid6 keeping the data on the disks I think |
| 18:57.35 | joakim | how do i manage that on the fly? |
| 18:57.38 | joakim | oh :( |
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| 18:57.51 | jelly-home | wait, what's raid10 ... a stripe of mirrors, or a mirror over two stripes? |
| 18:58.02 | denken | fuzzy_logic: this should get you started: http://www.debian.org/mirror/ |
| 18:58.04 | joakim | a stripe of mirrors |
| 18:58.16 | troytroy | hmm /etc/init.d/apache2 reload "SSLCertificateFile: file '/etc/apache2/ssl/apache.pem' does not exist or is empty" |
| 18:58.20 | dkr | well, raid1 is just a mirror of the data, remove two disks from the mirror, so you have all data on two disk, make new radi1 array with the two disks you removed |
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| 18:58.50 | py_ | hello |
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| 18:58.57 | fuzzy_logic | denken: ah thanks.. i think that will do.. i will have a look at it.. |
| 18:58.58 | py_ | where can I change the system wide core dump size on a debian etch system? |
| 18:59.00 | joakim | sure, but doing that on the fly would surely require unmounting root and other nasty stuff, which is almost sure to cause problems, isn't it? |
| 18:59.18 | wols | unmunting / is not possible |
| 18:59.18 | dkr | joakim: no, you can remove disks from array while it works, it can run in degraded mode |
| 18:59.39 | joakim | Yeah, i know. but the thing is |
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| 18:59.52 | dkr | joakim: oh yeah, but continunig to run would modify data later, best to boot from ersuce disk or live cd, perhaps |
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| 19:01.48 | joakim | i'd have to unmount the system to be able to make it work |
| 19:01.48 | dkr | jelly-home: that's what i was recommending, make two raid1 out of existing raid1, and raid 0 the two together |
| 19:01.48 | joakim | hot-remove drives, make a new raid on the fly |
| 19:01.49 | joakim | create raid 0 ontop |
| 19:01.49 | joakim | but before that |
| 19:01.49 | jelly-home | roight |
| 19:01.50 | joakim | you have to unmount the current system |
| 19:01.50 | jelly-home | joakim: no, why? |
| 19:01.50 | joakim | and then quickly create it |
| 19:01.50 | joakim | and then remount it |
| 19:01.51 | jelly-home | I thought he already had a raid6. |
| 19:01.51 | py_ | is there at least a way to do so, or am I forced to perform calls to ulimit -c <size> all the time? |
| 19:01.52 | joakim | well, i don't think you can create a raid 0 on a already mounted volume |
| 19:01.52 | joakim | can you? |
| 19:01.52 | joakim | and since you are creating a new array |
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| 19:01.53 | joakim | you get a new 'disk' which you just have to re-partition |
| 19:01.53 | dkr | right |
| 19:01.53 | jelly-home | joakim: he can create a new array and copy the files |
| 19:01.53 | joakim | is it not so? |
| 19:01.55 | joakim | ah |
| 19:02.17 | jelly-home | defrag for free! |
| 19:02.23 | joakim | haha |
| 19:02.32 | puntoUY | hi, i been installed the php5-gd package.. but phpinfo() doesn't show gd info :( |
| 19:02.41 | joakim | all this would be fun if i'd not have to do this on a production system without stopping anything |
| 19:02.44 | joakim | damnit ;| |
| 19:02.50 | jelly-home | puntoUY: restarted apache? |
| 19:02.51 | dkr | you can create degraded array though with two disks, copy data, then add source disks to new array |
| 19:02.53 | joakim | i almost borked it once when i typed in the wrong partition table |
| 19:03.00 | puntoUY | yes |
| 19:03.04 | joakim | dkr: all nice and dandy |
| 19:03.10 | joakim | except you can't add drives to a striped array |
| 19:03.13 | dkr | ah, yeah, very troublesome, I'd migrate services to a different server whiel doing change like this |
| 19:03.24 | puntoUY | /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 19:03.30 | jelly-home | puntoUY: is there an extension=gd in the appropriate php.ini? |
| 19:03.53 | jelly-home | xingu: usb can't handle the bandwidth |
| 19:04.02 | puntoUY | hm.. i'v to edit the php.ini? |
| 19:04.10 | joakim | :D |
| 19:04.13 | xingu | jelly-home: hey, who said it was going to be quick? :) |
| 19:04.17 | dkr | joakim: well creating with degraded disks isn't the same as adding, I think |
| 19:04.23 | jelly-home | puntoUY: no, you have to confirm that the installation did it |
| 19:04.27 | py_ | so, is there a way to specify a system-wide core dump size on debian, setting a default value different of the current 0 ? |
| 19:06.10 | joakim | dkr: thing is |
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| 19:06.10 | joakim | with a striped array |
| 19:06.10 | joakim | you can't have degraded disks |
| 19:06.11 | joakim | then you only have a non-striped array |
| 19:06.11 | jelly-home | py_: /etc/security/limits.conf ? |
| 19:06.11 | joakim | oh wait, i suck. |
| 19:06.11 | dkr | ah, right, the redundancy is from the raid1 layer sint his case, sorry, brain freeze. |
| 19:06.12 | verb3k_ | What is the difference between the CD and the DVD versions of debian? |
| 19:06.12 | dkr | you create the raid1 degraded, and build radi0 from that |
| 19:06.13 | joakim | cd has less stuff on it, dvd has more. |
| 19:06.13 | joakim | yeah |
| 19:06.13 | dkr | create two degraded raid1s, I mean |
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| 19:06.13 | joakim | (brain freeze here too :D) |
| 19:06.14 | jelly-home | joakim: a stripe over two degraded raid1s |
| 19:06.14 | jelly-home | right |
| 19:06.15 | dkr | especially on a live server, :) |
| 19:06.16 | puntoUY | jelly-home, it's commented i think |
| 19:06.22 | xingu | joakim: can I be an ass and waste your time by asking what the goal is and what resources you have at your disposal diskwise? |
| 19:06.31 | py_ | jelly-home, very nice! now I need to figure out what's the difference between soft and hard limits |
| 19:06.32 | verb3k_ | joakim, is there a page that lists those ectra stuff ? |
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| 19:06.57 | puntoUY | in /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini |
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| 19:07.09 | jelly-home | py_: soft is the default value, but a process can change it. however, a normal user can't go over the hard limit. |
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| 19:07.15 | joakim | I have four sata disks, a 320gb, and one ide, the same size. the server is a basic +3800 x2, and i've got uhn, spare computers around the house, i MIGHT be able to scrounge up enough diskspace to back it up |
| 19:07.18 | puntoUY | i have to edit it? |
| 19:07.22 | joakim | but man. it would take forever :D |
| 19:07.28 | py_ | jelly-home, by the way, do you know if there is a way to specify a system-wide directory for core-dumps to be dropped in, instead of working directory? |
| 19:07.38 | jelly-home | puntoUY: I guess you do, if it isn't enabled yet |
| 19:07.48 | py_ | jelly-home, thanks for the information :-) |
| 19:07.55 | jelly-home | py_: uh... there's a tunable somewhere on /proc |
| 19:08.00 | ustunozgur | Hi guys. I am trying to hibernate my machine (using the hibernate script, w/o suspend2), but the hibernation is stopped in the middle (when writing image at %60-70) and then X comes up as if nothing has happened. Here are my dmesg and hibernate logs: http://paste.debian.net/28600 and http://paste.debian.net/28599 |
| 19:08.16 | ustunozgur | It seems like the problematic thing is s2disk |
| 19:08.30 | jelly-home | py_: /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern probably |
| 19:08.37 | xingu | joakim: what are you trying to do with the existing layout? |
| 19:08.41 | ma3x | what's the opposite of 'tail' ? |
| 19:08.45 | py_ | jelly-home, I found /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern for the naming pattern, pehaps it can be used for the location, too... |
| 19:08.50 | xingu | ma3x: probably, head ? |
| 19:09.03 | jelly-home | py_: man 5 core |
| 19:09.15 | ma3x | that's right! |
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| 19:09.20 | joakim | xingu: ? |
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| 19:09.36 | joakim | xingu: i want to go to a raid 6 array, if possible |
| 19:09.38 | jelly-home | py_: didn't even know that man page existed ;-) ... I was going to tell you to rtfm man proc |
| 19:09.56 | xingu | joakim: is the current layout a raid 1+0 or raid5? |
| 19:10.08 | joakim | i _should_ be able to run the compy with only one one drive |
| 19:10.13 | joakim | currently it's just a raid 1 |
| 19:10.38 | ma3x | xingu, how do you know how many pages has a manual? |
| 19:10.47 | py_ | jelly-home: wondeful, everything needed is inside that man page :-) |
| 19:10.51 | verb3k_ | What is the difference between the CD and the DVD versions of debian? does the CD image include a graphical environment ? please respond |
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| 19:11.14 | xingu | ma3x: they're parsed; so the only real answer is render them with nroff/troff/groff or whatever and count the result |
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| 19:13.23 | xingu | ma3x: ... markup, just like html. |
| 19:13.23 | joakim | verb3k_: the cd and dvd both include the same stuff, the cds are just spread out ovvver several disks, d is just one disk |
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| 19:13.24 | verb3k_ | joakim, I see...thanks |
| 19:13.25 | ma3x | xingu, do you do like nroff /usr/share/doc/prog/manual? |
| 19:13.25 | joakim | can you unmount swap files? |
| 19:13.25 | joakim | verb3k_: np |
| 19:13.25 | xingu | joakim: do all of the disks currently have data that needs to be preserved? I'm guessing you don't have a 4-way mirror, I'm guessing either you have 1 or several two-piece mirrors, and one or several standalone disks |
| 19:13.29 | xand | ewwwww |
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| 19:13.45 | xingu | ma3x: it's been a while, but magic fingers remember the sequence troff -man <somepage.n | pg |
| 19:13.55 | xingu | ma3x: or maybe it was mandoc |
| 19:14.17 | verb3k_ | joakim, but there are also 3 DVDs .....which one should I download ? |
| 19:14.24 | joakim | xingu: well, i currently have the same data on five disks. |
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| 19:14.30 | ma3x | xingu, heh you're the man |
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| 19:14.48 | jelly-home | !win xingu |
| 19:14.48 | dpkg | Congratulations, xingu! You have won a one way ticket to Nova Scotia! |
| 19:14.51 | unlink | how do i mount partitions off a disk image? |
| 19:14.51 | xNinja | hello....i have strange problem...maybe i feel it strange....i have laptop with 2x60gb working as raid 0 by bios raid not linux or windows software raid....and i was having windowsxp home installed and working fine...but after installing ubuntu in the install wizard it did ask me to choose the drive and i did choose one i forget which one exactly 1 or 2....and i have already 6gb free space partition which i make before with partition magic as ex |
| 19:14.53 | dkr | is it just me or does Azureus suck? :) It has all these really neat extra features, graphics showing chunk sharing amongst peers and whatnot, but it just seems to keep stopping randomly and spends most of it's time at 0 bytes transferred even with plenty of connected peers |
| 19:15.04 | troytroy | buy folks moving to #fedora very friendly and helpful community there. anyway thanks for all the toubles :) |
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| 19:15.05 | ma3x | !win ma3x |
| 19:15.05 | dpkg | Congratulations, ma3x! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
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| 19:15.18 | xingu | ma3x: groff -man -Tascii |
| 19:15.25 | jelly-home | dkr: it's chugging along here fine |
| 19:15.27 | xingu | ma3x: I think the default is postscript. |
| 19:15.27 | xNinja | can someone help ? |
| 19:15.28 | verb3k_ | joakim, take a look : http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/bt-dvd/ |
| 19:15.33 | ma3x | xingu, nothing happens |
| 19:15.41 | joakim | verb3k_: just take the first one |
| 19:15.45 | joakim | if you need more packages |
| 19:15.47 | joakim | download the second |
| 19:15.52 | ma3x | and i became leonardo dicaprio |
| 19:15.53 | joakim | and if you need even more obscure packages |
| 19:15.54 | joakim | get the third |
| 19:15.57 | xingu | ma3x: try this: gzip -dc </usr/share/man/man1/sh.1.gz | groff -man -Tascii | less |
| 19:16.03 | joakim | however, if you have a reasonable internet connection |
| 19:16.10 | dkr | jelly-home: maybe I tweaked the various settings too much. btw, do you allow the automatic plugin upgrades, or only use the version supplied by debian? |
| 19:16.15 | joakim | just use the netinstall image, and then just download what you need from the internet |
| 19:16.23 | xingu | ma3x: spice to taste, delicious, serves four. |
| 19:16.31 | Gurax | Hello all. Anyone can confirm either a typo or a conf missmatch in a configuration file? It is about the greylistd package. |
| 19:16.35 | jelly-home | xingu: I have an ancient unman() shell function that does exactly what you said: nroff -man $* | ${PAGER:-MORE} |
| 19:16.51 | ma3x | xingu, what's that - pasta? |
| 19:16.52 | joakim | xingu: The thing is, i'd probably be able to migrate to raid 6 if i was able to get the swapfile unmounted right now |
| 19:16.55 | joakim | is that possible? |
| 19:16.59 | joakim | ie, detach swap or something |
| 19:17.00 | dkr | mine is groff -Tascii -mandoc $* | $PAGER |
| 19:17.12 | xingu | joakim: sure; swapoff |
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| 19:17.33 | xingu | joakim: good idea not to be under memory pressure when you do it, or you'll get introduced to mr oom-killer. |
| 19:17.36 | jelly-home | dkr: most stuff gets updated I think |
| 19:17.50 | Vousi | Hi, what is the way to see shared files from debian to windows 2003 using command line? |
| 19:17.54 | puntoUY | gd_info().. nothing :( |
| 19:18.04 | joakim | xingu: yeah, i don't think that this system is going to die because of that. :P |
| 19:18.17 | joakim | xingu: off to test that now -> |
| 19:18.36 | dkr | jelly-home: hrm, I' guess I need to debug some more, currently overwhelmed my log messages about timeouts and the like. it mostly works, when i turn it on, but can't figure out why it keeps sporadically stopping transfers if I leave it running |
| 19:18.46 | joakim | xingu: Mem: 2076956k total, 746476k used, 1330480k free, 49680k buffers |
| 19:18.46 | joakim | Swap: 3903608k total, 0k used, 3903608k free, 526576k cached |
| 19:18.48 | jelly-home | puntoUY: hope you remembered to restart apache after adding extension=gd to php.ini |
| 19:19.06 | xingu | joakim: looks good, so just swapoff -a |
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| 19:19.27 | joakim | alrighty |
| 19:19.30 | joakim | no swap visible anymore |
| 19:19.31 | puntoUY | ive thisline: extension=gd.so |
| 19:19.31 | joakim | giggity. |
| 19:19.39 | ma3x | xingu, are you on etch? |
| 19:19.48 | klync | i'm having trouble getting exim4 to authenticate to my smarthost relay... i think it's a bug... anyone care to look at more details with me? |
| 19:20.04 | jelly-home | dkr: it works _much_ better when there's no firewall or when it manages to blow holes in it. My DSL router does UPnP, and Azureus works with it well |
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| 19:20.25 | joakim | xingu: is there some way to stop stuff from accessing drives? |
| 19:20.28 | xingu | joakim: recieved wisdom is right, if you have a 5x piece mirror (exact same data on all 5 spindles) then you should be able to use one more disk the same size and create a degraded raid6 |
| 19:20.52 | xingu | joakim: that's up to the device mapper layer; if you keep it happy, it'll keep the filesystems happy. |
| 19:21.04 | joakim | yeah i understand. |
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| 19:21.07 | joakim | but the thing is |
| 19:21.08 | xingu | joakim: apart from raw device access, and anything using that is a casualty waiting to happen anyway |
| 19:21.08 | dkr | jelly-home: I manually created port forwarding rules for it back to my box |
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| 19:21.24 | joakim | xingu: the thing is: i'm trying to stop the raid array for the swap |
| 19:21.34 | joakim | fail to stop array /dev/md1: Device or resource busy |
| 19:21.35 | joakim | :( |
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| 19:21.42 | jelly-home | puntoUY: sounds ok |
| 19:21.46 | xingu | joakim: why? just create a md2 |
| 19:22.02 | jelly-home | joakim: have you swapoff-ed it? |
| 19:22.07 | joakim | yeah, i have. |
| 19:22.19 | joakim | xingu: i need to do it since it's a striped array |
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| 19:22.57 | joakim | so i have to kill it to be able to make the system work |
| 19:22.57 | puntoUY | yes, but doesn't work :( |
| 19:22.57 | xingu | hence the earlier question about raid0+1, or raid1 :) |
| 19:22.57 | jelly-home | uhh... striped swap is a dumb idea |
| 19:22.57 | joakim | (i realized that ) |
| 19:22.57 | xingu | don't worry, I'll shoot you later when you're under less stress. |
| 19:22.58 | xNinja | in the forums |
| 19:22.58 | xNinja | [22:21:21] ::: [signoff] milos (Client Quit) |
| 19:23.00 | py_ | jelly-home: hum, I set a value in /etc/security/limits.conf (last line now reads "* soft core 102400"), rebooted, however ulimit -c still output 0. Is there some other step to perform? |
| 19:23.04 | xNinja | sorry... |
| 19:23.05 | xNinja | can linux or any other OS damage the bios raid or which they call it hardware raid? |
| 19:23.27 | joakim | xingu: arrrgh raid kills me |
| 19:23.27 | joakim | :D |
| 19:23.41 | xingu | joakim: with a stripe of mirror, all you can realistically do is remove mirror pieces and construct a new raid volume from them. |
| 19:23.42 | joakim | and now that webmin is being a bitch, it's even harder to make it work properly :D |
| 19:23.55 | jelly-home | py_: hm, lemme check |
| 19:24.03 | xingu | joakim: as you've identified, you must leave the top stripe the hell alone - or - schedule downtime |
| 19:24.03 | joakim | yeah |
| 19:24.11 | joakim | I get it. |
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| 19:24.23 | joakim | Err: stripe: i don't have any other stripes than the swap array |
| 19:24.31 | xingu | oh goody |
| 19:24.35 | joakim | the boot is mirrored and also is the root. |
| 19:24.37 | xingu | joakim: that should free up then after swapoff |
| 19:24.43 | joakim | yeah, but it won't stop |
| 19:24.52 | wykis | Hello, does anyone know where to get libiconv.so.2 ? it is missing from my system (accidentally overwrote it) |
| 19:24.53 | xingu | very weird |
| 19:25.29 | xingu | joakim: do you have the right device name? is it possible that you're trying to stop a stripe piece, and not the stripe? |
| 19:25.45 | joakim | i'm trying to stop the stripe. /dev/md1 |
| 19:25.51 | jelly-home | py_: it's set up via pam, so make sure you have "session required pam_limits.so" uncommented in eg. /etc/pam.d/login or whatever is used to log in |
| 19:26.07 | joakim | it's using /dev/sda2 and /dev/sdb2 as it's partitions |
| 19:26.49 | abrotman | !tell wykis about search |
| 19:26.49 | xingu | joakim: you haven't got any sneaky metadata on other partitions of md1 have you? |
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| 19:27.16 | py_ | jelly-home: hum, interesting. And how does it apply to daemons and such, started from /etc/init.d at boot? I have one running as root which crashed sometimes, and want to get its core dumps file for latter analyzis... |
| 19:27.17 | joakim | no, not that i know of |
| 19:27.19 | wykis | abrotman: I have tried search, results are not there |
| 19:27.31 | abrotman | wykis: etch ? |
| 19:27.35 | wykis | no, unstable |
| 19:27.44 | xingu | joakim: just for my amusement can you throw cat /proc/mdstat somewhere? |
| 19:27.47 | abrotman | !find libiconv.so sid |
| 19:27.47 | joakim | xingu: i believe mdadm is having a conspiracy with the kernel and the drives against me |
| 19:27.48 | wykis | I've found somewhere that it might be libc6 |
| 19:28.02 | JordiGH | What's the best and easiest way to have two users have read-write access on a directory transparently, without manually setting permissions each time they touch a file and without making them change their umasks manually only while working on that specific directory? |
| 19:28.03 | joakim | xingu: #flood |
| 19:28.15 | wykis | did it find, abrotman ? |
| 19:28.15 | jelly-home | py_: hmm. No idea, hack the limit in its init script? |
| 19:28.20 | abrotman | wykis: wait for it :) |
| 19:28.27 | wykis | meh, ok :-P |
| 19:29.02 | py_ | jelly-home: well, maybe... not that clean however |
| 19:29.15 | jelly-home | true dat |
| 19:29.46 | tarzeau | !qotd168 |
| 19:29.46 | dpkg | from memory, qotd168 is <Maulkin> *mumble*raid0-isn't-raid*mumble* * resiak removes two of Maulkin's chair's legs. "It's okay, because they were in a redundant array!" |
| 19:29.50 | jelly-home | joakim: mdadm is acting palyndromously tonight |
| 19:30.12 | xingu | joakim: swapon -s ? |
| 19:30.13 | wykis | hmm, I found something |
| 19:30.16 | joakim | jelly-home: Like i didn't know that. the sneaky bastard |
| 19:30.21 | h3sp4wn | wykis: libiconv.so.2 is part of libiconv (but if you have glibc you should have no need for it) is it a self compiled program that needs it ? |
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| 19:30.32 | joakim | xingu: eh, dunno, blank. |
| 19:30.40 | wykis | h3sp4wn: yes, thanks |
| 19:30.40 | abrotman | wykis: closest i found on etch is in ruby |
| 19:30.43 | xingu | joakim: good, bizarre. :) |
| 19:30.45 | wykis | h3sp4wn: I mistakenly deleted it |
| 19:31.15 | wykis | same, abrotman |
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| 19:31.27 | wykis | ok, reinstalling |
| 19:31.34 | h3sp4wn | wykis: Its not in debian at all (http://www.gnu.org/software/libiconv/) |
| 19:31.46 | troytroy | why did they remove the apache2-ssl-certificate script from etch |
| 19:31.46 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: i |
| 19:31.47 | jelly-home | er |
| 19:31.47 | wykis | hm, this is very odd... gnome-terminal won't run without it |
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| 19:32.05 | wykis | I'll try updating, haven't done that for a while |
| 19:32.05 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: I wonder if symlinking libiconv.so.2 -> libc.so.6 would work :-) |
| 19:32.30 | wykis | whoa, there's a lot of software for me to get on with upgrading now :] |
| 19:32.33 | troytroy | at least on fedora https is enable by default upon installation of apache |
| 19:32.41 | xingu | joakim: how about mdadm --detail /dev/md0 |
| 19:32.54 | xingu | joakim: of course I meant md1 |
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| 19:33.20 | joakim | xingu: want the whole paste |
| 19:33.22 | joakim | or just the last part? |
| 19:34.19 | JordiGH | So there isn't a simple way to share directories? Should I look into setting up ACL? I really have no idea. :-) |
| 19:34.28 | bahadunn | troytroy: there is make-ssl-cert or some such |
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| 19:35.00 | xingu | joakim: something has busted reference counting, I'm thinking it might be tmpfs |
| 19:35.12 | py_ | to ask the question the other way: where is the default core dump size (0, as reported by ulimit -c) set on a debian system? |
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| 19:36.14 | Assid | hi |
| 19:36.14 | Assid | can someone helpo me with snmp/mrtg |
| 19:36.14 | joakim | xingu: got a clue how that's fixable? :D |
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| 19:36.14 | joakim | or should i just uhn |
| 19:36.14 | joakim | schedule some downtime then |
| 19:36.15 | troytroy | bahadunn there is a bug in that. which signs cert for only 30 days |
| 19:36.20 | xingu | joakim: how about... dd if=/dev/zero of=/some/path/to/swapfile bs=1024 count=65536; mkswap /some/path/to/swapfile; swapon /some/path/to/swapfile |
| 19:36.35 | xingu | joakim: it's a bit of a hail mary |
| 19:36.37 | Assid | http://pastebin.ca/503188 |
| 19:36.43 | JordiGH | Alright, let me try another question: how should I modify the crontab that runs stuff like updatedb and apt-get update? I thought it would be in root's crontab... |
| 19:36.45 | Assid | i cant set the mrtg config |
| 19:36.48 | h3sp4wn | jelly-home: No clue (dunno whether it is actually that .so that deals with it) |
| 19:36.53 | joakim | xingu: BLARG OH MY GOD |
| 19:36.54 | Assid | i installed snmpd as well |
| 19:37.07 | joakim | xingu: i'm always scared of dd. i've messed up more than one install with that damn command |
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| 19:37.26 | JordiGH | dd is supposed to be scary. |
| 19:37.27 | m3t3or | hi |
| 19:37.33 | xingu | joakim: that useage will be fine, worst-case it uses your last remaining 64k worth of disk space |
| 19:37.45 | JordiGH | xingu: No, worst case is a typo. ;-) |
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| 19:38.20 | jelly-home | JordiGH: what, accidentally type /dev/sda instead of /mnt/swapfile ? |
| 19:38.30 | xingu | worst case is a catnip crazed feline scooting across your keyboard just before you hit the enter key and pawing in ;\nrm -rf .*& |
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| 19:38.34 | joakim | xingu: i just did that |
| 19:38.35 | joakim | now |
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| 19:38.45 | m3t3or | how can i build a minimal kernel in etch? |
| 19:38.49 | abrotman | !kp |
| 19:38.50 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
| 19:39.15 | xingu | joakim: try stopping md1 again? |
| 19:39.46 | joakim | fail to stop array |
| 19:39.47 | joakim | damn |
| 19:40.07 | JordiGH | jelly-home: How about putting space in front of /mnt/swapfile? / mnt/swapfile |
| 19:40.38 | jelly-home | JordiGH: I haven't had much luck writing to a directory... but now I gotta try it! |
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| 19:41.24 | ustunozgur_ | kp mantra |
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| 19:41.32 | xingu | joakim: will it let you mdctl --fail /dev/md1 /dev/sdb2 |
| 19:41.42 | xingu | joakim: and then mdctl --remove /dev/mda1 /dev/sdb2 ? |
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| 19:41.58 | m3t3or | kp mantra |
| 19:41.59 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Oops, right. |
| 19:42.10 | xingu | s/mda/md/ |
| 19:42.10 | jelly-home | dd: opening `/mnt2': Is a directory |
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| 19:43.14 | xingu | joakim: also, try mdctl --stop /dev/md1 |
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| 19:43.47 | jelly-home | s/mdctl/mdadm/g :-) |
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| 19:43.59 | H2OyJaBoN | hi all! |
| 19:44.11 | H2OyJaBoN | can somebody help me with lirc ? |
| 19:44.50 | tvynr | abrotman, valdyn, JordiGH, h3sp4wn: I know you peeps have helped me out in the past couple of days with my LiveCD recovery disc project, so I thought I might drop this line. I didn't mention anyone by name because I'm sure I'd miss someone, but I might once I feel I have a comprehensive list. I wanted to thank you for, among other things, making this possible: http://www.bahj.com/wisp/ |
| 19:44.50 | xingu | jelly-home: what happened to mdctl? |
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| 19:45.15 | JordiGH | Yay! Free software proliferation! |
| 19:45.15 | unlink | i have gnome-media installed, but pointing nautilus to burn:/// says Could not open location 'burn:///' The default action does not support this protocol. |
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| 19:45.30 | jelly-home | xingu: I've never seen anything called like that on Linux... haven't messed with softraid until recently though |
| 19:45.42 | slacker403 | why in my lighttpd do i have so many php-cgi running ? anyone know ? |
| 19:45.49 | joakim | xingu: no such command :/ |
| 19:46.02 | xingu | joakim: as jelly says, use mdadm but same command trails |
| 19:46.17 | joakim | yeah |
| 19:46.18 | joakim | no worky |
| 19:46.36 | xingu | joakim: how about the --fail/--remove bit of sdb2 ? |
| 19:47.02 | xingu | joakim: that at least would let you free up the sdb spindle regadless. |
| 19:47.32 | joakim | xingu: the thing is, i was able to fail both sdb and sda |
| 19:47.41 | joakim | but i wasn't able to remove them |
| 19:48.05 | xingu | joakim: can you mdadm --fail /dev/md1 /dev/sdb2; mdadm --remove /dev/md1 /dev/sdb2 ? |
| 19:48.09 | wykis | how can I prevent the 2.6.20-1 kernel from installing? |
| 19:48.42 | joakim | the remove fails with a device or resource busy |
| 19:48.58 | xingu | but the fail works? |
| 19:49.05 | joakim | yea |
| 19:49.20 | xingu | sounds like you win the booby prize; md raid1 personality bug |
| 19:49.26 | jelly-home | funky |
| 19:49.32 | xingu | triggered by using it as a swap device |
| 19:49.34 | slacker403 | whats the easiest way to install development tools ? |
| 19:49.43 | joakim | xingu: do not want :( |
| 19:49.45 | H2OyJaBoN | i'm trying to configure lirc. i ran irrecord and it's work but any button i press is the same. some idea about that? |
| 19:49.55 | xingu | my gut instinct is - probably related to partition code |
| 19:49.56 | nvz | slacker403: apt-get install build-essential |
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| 19:50.03 | jelly-home | joakim: another one and you'll have BOOBIES |
| 19:50.10 | nvz | slacker403: though that all depends on what the hell you mean by development tools |
| 19:50.13 | slacker403 | nvz: i jus need to build something then i want to remove the dev tools |
| 19:50.23 | slacker403 | configure make gcc ? |
| 19:50.25 | wykis | how can I prevent the 2.6.20-1 kernel from installing? |
| 19:50.29 | stew | wykis: do you have a metapackage like 'linux-image-2.6-686' installed? |
| 19:50.35 | joakim | jelly-home: yeah. hopefully i'll get some irl ones instead of these dreaded virtual ones |
| 19:50.47 | joakim | so crapshath. reboot time it is then. :( |
| 19:50.56 | nvz | slacker403: built-essential. you can mark its deps auto installed so that when you remove it they get removed |
| 19:51.09 | wykis | stew: no, I don't think so I@m runinng 2.6.18-4, and don't want to upgrade |
| 19:51.25 | xingu | joakim: feel free to keep playing around but my "holy crap this is thin ice" sensor just went off; so I'd suggest wait until market close or whatever your local religion is scheduling wise and then shutdown/ reboot single user, kill the raid, and bring the system back up. |
| 19:51.26 | stew | wykis: show us the output of 'dpkg -l linux-image-\*' ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 19:51.45 | stew | wykis: unless you have a metapacakge installed, it wouldn't try to upgrade your kernel from 2.6.18 -> 2.6.20 |
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| 19:52.03 | xingu | joakim: what I won't do, is waste more of your time or encourage you to do more dangerous things because you may well be standing at the edge of panic territory. |
| 19:52.18 | joakim | xingu: yeeeah. I kinda feel the same thing here right now. |
| 19:52.25 | joakim | I guess it's safe to go turn the bugger off |
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| 19:52.51 | joakim | i'll just leave a nice note: i'm sorry but it's your own fault you set up the disks wrong you assholes, now i have to fix it. |
| 19:52.59 | xingu | :) |
| 19:53.16 | jelly-home | well, kernel bugs don't help much either |
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| 19:53.21 | xingu | joakim: it is a spectacular misconfig |
| 19:53.28 | wykis | damn, does anyone know how to copy text from xterm to the clipboard |
| 19:53.37 | xingu | joakim: I thought you were jokign when you said you had a 5-spindle wide mirror. :) |
| 19:53.42 | joakim | true. but if it was a un-mis-raided setup, it would have worked. |
| 19:53.43 | wykis | ? (I seem not to add question marks today) |
| 19:53.47 | troytroy | klync well i forgot the power of google |
| 19:53.55 | nvz | RichiH: teh board member ftw! heh |
| 19:53.59 | joakim | xingu: it sounds rediculous, but i don't think they understood the idea of raid 5 |
| 19:54.05 | JordiGH | Why is Emacs seemingly not reading my locale info? My locale is en_CA.UTF-8 but Emacs won't start in UTF-8 mode... |
| 19:54.05 | xingu | evidently |
| 19:54.15 | joakim | i'm guessing they took the idea of raid 1 and made it, uhn, GLOBALLY APPLICABLE |
| 19:54.19 | troytroy | all i need was "openssl req $@ -new -x509 -days 365 -nodes -out /etc/apache2/apache.pem -keyout /etc/apache2/apache.pem" |
| 19:54.24 | jelly-home | wykis: drag left button over the text -- that's it |
| 19:54.37 | xingu | joakim: on the plus side I bet it goes like the clappers on read performance, and, you gotta admit it's pretty indestructable. |
| 19:54.39 | joakim | or something equally stupid, anyway. let's see, who want's to vote how fast this system goes down now that there's three disks less to sync? |
| 19:54.42 | jelly-home | wykis: middle button to paste |
| 19:54.45 | wykis | jelly-home: it doesn't copy like that |
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| 19:54.47 | stew | wykis: there is no easy way to get it into the clipboard, but if you select the text by dragging with the left button, you can paste it by clicking the middle button |
| 19:54.55 | h3sp4wn | wykis: sometimes you need to hold shift |
| 19:54.57 | joakim | xingu: the thing is, it was awesome standing next to it when it did something |
| 19:55.05 | joakim | XSCHVOOOOM |
| 19:55.08 | joakim | *drive noises* |
| 19:55.10 | xingu | :) |
| 19:55.12 | wykis | damnit :\ |
| 19:55.25 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:55.25 | joakim | alrighty: brb. shutdown -h now |
| 19:55.26 | jelly-home | joakim: it was more redundant than Rama! |
| 19:55.33 | wykis | I'll just wait till gnome-terminal gets back |
| 19:55.34 | joakim | -.- |
| 19:55.44 | h3sp4wn | wykis: (there is 2 buffers and I never worked out exactly why) - holding shift usually works though for eg copying xterm to iceweasel |
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| 19:56.17 | xingu | h3sp4wn: not just 2 buffers, there's two whole clipboard protocols |
| 19:56.26 | xingu | h3sp4wn: that's x11 for you though |
| 19:56.35 | wykis | whey, konsole is back - http://rafb.net/p/IeyLjw66.txt |
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| 19:56.47 | xingu | wykis: play a bit with xcutsel next time you're wading through that mire. |
| 19:56.50 | nvz | h3sp4wn: there has to be two buffers or else your clipboard would be fundamentally broken becuse everything you highlight would override your clipboard |
| 19:56.52 | wykis | stew: there's the list ^ |
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| 19:58.04 | nvz | I love the clipboard system in X.. kicks the pants off Explorer's clipboard system.. the mouse based protocol is way faster and having the traditional method too allows me to easily store and recall two different things |
| 19:58.04 | slacker403 | why wont this build ? |
| 19:58.04 | slacker403 | http://phpfi.com/236190 |
| 19:58.17 | xingu | nvz: recent synaptics input driver supports double finger click to paste |
| 19:58.18 | stew | wykis: so it is upgrading 2.6.20-1 becuase you already have it installed and there is a newer version available |
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| 19:58.22 | xingu | nvz: I love it, it rocks my world. |
| 19:58.28 | nvz | slacker403: missing python headers it seems |
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| 19:58.38 | wykis | hmm stw |
| 19:58.43 | stew | wykis: if you want to keep your current (more broken) 2.6.20-1 and not upgrade it to a newer 2.6.20-1, then put it on hold, /msg dpkg hold |
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| 19:58.54 | wykis | hehe stew, didn't notice that, thanks |
| 19:58.55 | JordiGH | nvz: Do you know how Klippper stores a clipboard history? I've also never fully understood some weird clipboard behaviours, presumably across incompatible apps. Sometimes highlighting in one app doesn't mean that the text will be available for another app. |
| 19:59.04 | nvz | xingu: afaik its always supported that.. cause the driver recognises 1 finger as button 1, 2 fingers as button 2, and three fingers as button 3 |
| 19:59.12 | xingu | JordiGH: xcutsel. |
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| 19:59.38 | stew | JordiGH: sometimes hilighting affects the x selection, sometimes it affects both the x selection and the clipboard, and it's up to the apps to decide |
| 19:59.38 | JordiGH | xingu: Klipper uses xcutsel? |
| 19:59.50 | nvz | JordiGH: I've never used klipper and never would, and I've never had any problems with the x clipboard protocols |
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| 20:00.16 | JordiGH | nvz: How do you go through the clipboard history, then? |
| 20:00.36 | py_ | jelly-home: weel, will continue this quest tomorrow... anyway, thanks for your help! |
| 20:00.42 | nvz | JordiGH: I dont need a history if I had time to go through a damn history I'd just type it or copy it again |
| 20:01.02 | h3sp4wn | nvz: I prefer screen's copy / paste stuff - I only ever use the primary or clipboard from moving between screen and iceweasel (and its inconsistant) |
| 20:01.02 | JordiGH | stew: Oh, I didn't realise that X selection and X clipboard were different things. |
| 20:01.06 | nvz | JordiGH: I got a x selection and a clipboard, thats all I need |
| 20:01.35 | h3sp4wn | nvz: Can I change xterm so it only uses one of them ? |
| 20:01.44 | JordiGH | nvz: Maybe I'm the only one who sometimes only stores things in the clipboard and then closes the app that had the original clipping. It's usually a mistake, but Klipper has saved me whenever that happens. |
| 20:01.50 | nvz | h3sp4wn: I have no idea I don't use it |
| 20:02.09 | mzperx | Hi ! Every time I install a font I get "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc does not exist or is not a directory" warning. Should I create it manually or I'm missing a package from my system or just skip this warning ? |
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| 20:02.19 | nvz | JordiGH: hmm I've never had anything dissapear because I closed the app. |
| 20:02.24 | jelly-home | JordiGH: oh, clipboard also dies with the app? |
| 20:02.28 | stew | JordiGH: there are two x selections (primary and secondary) and one x clipboard |
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| 20:02.43 | nvz | !find python.h |
| 20:02.48 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'python.h' (5 of 41): (/usr/include/zorp/zpython.h) in libdevel/libzorp2-dev ;; (/usr/share/doc/wily/html/python.html) in editors/wily ;; (/usr/share/doc/libxml2-doc/python.html) in doc/libxml2-doc ;; (/usr/share/doc/pypy-doc/play1/python.html) in doc/pypy-doc ;; (/usr/share/doc/plplot-doc/html/python.html) in doc/plplot-doc. |
| 20:02.57 | JordiGH | nvz: It's more like copy one thing, close the app, copy another thing, oops, where did the original thing go? |
| 20:03.06 | JordiGH | jelly-home: No, more like what I said to nvz. |
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| 20:03.15 | nvz | !find ^python.h$ |
| 20:03.16 | stew | JordiGH: when you drag over text in an exterm, that is the primary selecction, when you select 'copy' from firefox, it is both primary selection and clipboard (iirc) |
| 20:03.21 | jelly-home | stew: whoever designed that that ought to be shot |
| 20:03.22 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '^python.h' returned no results. |
| 20:03.33 | abrotman | tvynr: yay! |
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| 20:03.35 | nvz | dpkg: blah |
| 20:03.35 | dpkg | bleh means insert appropriate value here. see bleh, or meh |
| 20:03.44 | Billy | sorry, when I can get the debian tcl at the dpkg bot? |
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| 20:03.46 | tvynr | abrotman: :) |
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| 20:03.55 | nvz | no, dpkg blah means you're an ass |
| 20:04.01 | jelly-home | !find /python.h$ |
| 20:04.08 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '/python.h' returned no results. |
| 20:04.19 | JordiGH | tvynr: I don't see you in d-legal. Did you post there? |
| 20:04.34 | JordiGH | stew: What's a secondary selection, then? |
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| 20:04.51 | stew | JordiGH: its just like the primary selection, but it is almost never used afaik |
| 20:04.57 | nvz | JordiGH: if I need to copy something semi-perminant i use the ctrl+c otherwise I just highlight it.. |
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| 20:05.12 | jelly-home | Billy: dpkg bot is written in perl, it's called blootbot |
| 20:05.22 | Billy | I see |
| 20:05.24 | nslater | Cool. |
| 20:05.33 | tvynr | JordiGH: No, actually. Since I found a way to get my hands on the necessary sources, I figured I'd go for distributing the sources myself rather than having to worry about the legal headache. |
| 20:05.41 | JordiGH | nvz: Not every app uses C-c... in fact, hardly any do! |
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| 20:06.01 | tvynr | JordiGH: I rather suspect that my sources torrent will be used rarely if ever. |
| 20:06.09 | JordiGH | tvynr: Ah, good. How did you find those sources, btw? I'd like to know too how to get older versions of source from Debian. |
| 20:06.09 | slacker403 | what are the rrdtool dev packages ? |
| 20:06.12 | nvz | JordiGH: all my graphical apps do |
| 20:06.14 | slacker403 | rrdtool-dev |
| 20:06.19 | slacker403 | is not fiding anything |
| 20:06.25 | Billy | but exist the debian.tcl for others bots? |
| 20:06.26 | jelly-home | !tell Billy about blootbot |
| 20:06.27 | JordiGH | nvz: Emacs doesn't. That's most of my graphical apps. ;-) |
| 20:06.37 | nvz | JordiGH: heh. |
| 20:06.49 | sohmestra | slacker403: it's probably librrdtool-dev or some such |
| 20:06.51 | jelly-home | Billy: what would "debian.tcl" do? |
| 20:06.57 | tvynr | JordiGH: Actually, I didn't. I'd already upgraded my root and tested it, so I just ran an apt-get source -t testing on each installed package. A hack, I know. I'd like to get a better method together in the future, but right now I wanted to get WISP out so people could start making use of it. |
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| 20:07.06 | nvz | I think apple made a computer called an eMac |
| 20:07.15 | slacker403 | sohmestra: nope :( |
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| 20:07.30 | joakim | yar! |
| 20:07.31 | JordiGH | tvynr: Yeah, that's how a lot of the law goes. Unenforced and unused. |
| 20:07.44 | Billy | searches like dpkg in debian packages |
| 20:07.50 | sohmestra | slacker403: how about apt-cache search rrdtool |
| 20:07.55 | joakim | I'm back |
| 20:07.58 | joakim | where did x-something go? |
| 20:08.10 | tvynr | JordiGH: Well, AFAIK I'm in compliance with the GPL, although I should put on my plate that letter to debian-legal just to make sure at some point. |
| 20:08.28 | JordiGH | tvynr: WISP looks useful, except that I personally don't foresee making Windows snapshots anytime son. |
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| 20:08.42 | nvz | Billy: your english language skills are failing to get your question across properly |
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| 20:08.54 | slacker403 | gosh |
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| 20:09.00 | tvynr | JordiGH: But since almost everything I'm using is either available from faster mirrors as Debian packages or is Python anyway, I rather doubt I'm going to need to seed anything. :) |
| 20:09.01 | slacker403 | i can find the rrdtool dev packages |
| 20:09.04 | slacker403 | what are they callled |
| 20:09.07 | nvz | jelly-home: you keep telling him about blootbot and I don't think he's asking anything about it |
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| 20:09.29 | stew | slacker403: 'apt-cache search rrdtool dev' |
| 20:09.35 | tvynr | JordiGH: Yeah. I wrote it initially because I was considering doing an out-of-house computer shop and didn't want to pay $40 a license for professional imaging software like Norton Ghost. :-P And then I got carried away. |
| 20:09.56 | slacker403 | librrd2-dev |
| 20:10.09 | JordiGH | s/professional/proprietary/ You make it sound as if Debian was amateur. ;-) |
| 20:10.13 | JordiGH | tvynr: ^^ |
| 20:10.36 | JordiGH | tvynr: And hooray for scratching an itch! :D |
| 20:10.47 | tvynr | Anyone know of a quick and relatively effortless way to put together a hit counter for a page so I can get all giddy like a twelve year old about how many people look at my page? :) |
| 20:10.56 | joakim | jelly-home: you know anything about raid? |
| 20:11.07 | tvynr | JordiGH: Point well delivered and taken. Thanks for the distinction. :) |
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| 20:11.19 | wols | tydelNL: self hosted? or at a hoster? |
| 20:11.22 | klync | tvynr: `watch wc -l /var/log/apache2/access.log` <-- quickest, dirtiest :) |
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| 20:11.54 | wols | tvynr: self hosted or at a hoster? |
| 20:11.58 | stew | it gets a lot dirtier than that |
| 20:12.00 | wols | if self hosted: awstats or such |
| 20:12.02 | tvynr | klync: lol... nice |
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| 20:12.13 | tvynr | wols: Self-hosted. bahj.com is sitting about two feet from me. ;) |
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| 20:12.58 | tvynr | wols: I'll look it up, thanks. |
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| 20:13.14 | slacker403 | what is apsx ??? |
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| 20:13.48 | rahul | Debian is an amateur pr0n star |
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| 20:14.19 | slacker403 | configure: checking whether apxs is available... |
| 20:14.19 | slacker403 | checking for apxs... no |
| 20:14.19 | slacker403 | configure: error: not found. This means httpd is not installed, please install Apache 2.x |
| 20:14.24 | slacker403 | i habve apache 2 installed |
| 20:14.31 | wols | hot? or kinda tux looking? |
| 20:14.31 | slacker403 | anyone know what this could be ? |
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| 20:14.36 | joakim | slacker403: did you break it? |
| 20:14.41 | joakim | how did you install it? |
| 20:14.42 | rahul | slacker403: you need the apache dev packages |
| 20:14.46 | slacker403 | ooo |
| 20:14.49 | rahul | heh |
| 20:14.54 | rahul | wols: all swirly |
| 20:14.58 | wols | slacker403: http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man8/apxs.8.html |
| 20:15.10 | xNinja | guys i have a question which maybe will save a time for mew |
| 20:15.12 | rahul | it's a disembodied hemaphrodite |
| 20:15.12 | slacker403 | whats the apache2 dev package called :) |
| 20:15.15 | xNinja | me* |
| 20:15.20 | LV-426 | xen & nvidia prob... i'd like to remove the old nvidia module but 'modprobe -r' dosen't seem to do anything... will 'm-a -f install' over-ride when the module already exists? ? |
| 20:15.29 | rahul | slacker403: probably that |
| 20:15.33 | wols | apt-cache search apache2 |grep dev |
| 20:15.45 | rahul | slacker403: search in aptitude or whatever |
| 20:15.46 | xNinja | if i did delete the raid 0 array and rebuild it again............i must re format the harddrives again??? |
| 20:15.49 | wols | LV-426: it will |
| 20:15.59 | wols | linux is not windows. it won't lock files that are loaded |
| 20:16.12 | JordiGH | Tux isn't hot? |
| 20:16.15 | slacker403 | prefork or threaded ? |
| 20:16.17 | JordiGH | wols: apt does. ;-) |
| 20:16.27 | xNinja | can someone answer my question ? |
| 20:16.28 | wols | tux is fat. and stinks of fish all over |
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| 20:16.33 | wols | plus he's probably male |
| 20:16.54 | slacker403 | do i want apache 2 dev fles in prefork or threaded ? |
| 20:16.54 | wols | JordiGH: all apt does is setting a lock |
| 20:17.25 | JordiGH | But Tux is cute! |
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| 20:17.30 | ColdFyre | kewlies |
| 20:17.33 | winn2 | yes if you delete the raid array, then you need to recreate it |
| 20:17.35 | wols | cute !) hot |
| 20:17.42 | wols | != |
| 20:17.50 | winn2 | if you have a broken drive, and the drive needs to be rebuilt, then don't delete the arrray |
| 20:18.03 | winn2 | just add the new drive to the existing array |
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| 20:18.47 | wols | xNinja: a reformat takes about all of 5 seconds. you don't save any time |
| 20:19.02 | slacker403 | dammmmmmmn |
| 20:19.07 | slacker403 | still cant find apsx |
| 20:19.31 | zirikili | hi guys...after an upgrade, my nvidia module on xorg.conf doesn't load anymore. it's a sid. I know I should be runing testing but only on sid is possible to get nexuiz and openarena games. any help please? |
| 20:19.35 | slacker403 | but i have the command apsx2 |
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| 20:19.50 | xNinja | wols but i will reinstall blah blah blah |
| 20:19.51 | JordiGH | zirikili: Huh? Nexuiz is in testing. |
| 20:20.26 | slacker403 | its suppose to be apxs |
| 20:20.26 | zirikili | JordiGH: last time I check it dont. what about openarena? |
| 20:20.26 | slacker403 | but they have it in debian as apxs2 |
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| 20:20.46 | JordiGH | zirikili: It's in testing too. |
| 20:20.56 | zirikili | JordiGH: really? |
| 20:20.57 | slacker403 | even the useage says apxs |
| 20:20.59 | slacker403 | not apxs2 |
| 20:21.02 | wols | zirikili: install the nvidia drivers properly or fix it everytime yourself |
| 20:21.05 | JordiGH | zirikili: Yes. Although there are slightly newer version in unstable. |
| 20:21.15 | slacker403 | can i jus rename it ? |
| 20:21.16 | wols | slacker403: it's not in debian |
| 20:21.22 | wols | slacker403: if you had searched you knew |
| 20:21.49 | zirikili | wols: If it is in testing, I will reinstall the system |
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| 20:21.51 | vchrizz | hi |
| 20:21.55 | vanksi | has anyone managed to compile fxp.one engine on debian? |
| 20:22.17 | wols | zirikili: I didn't say this. and reinstalling the system cuase one driver is installed wrongly, is kinda.... strange |
| 20:22.30 | wols | !tell vanksi about anyone |
| 20:22.57 | zirikili | wols: any trick to rescue that driver? |
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| 20:23.07 | wols | zirikili: no |
| 20:23.07 | vanksi | alrighty |
| 20:23.25 | wols | zirikili: reinstall it one way or the other. you used the nvidia.com driver, right? |
| 20:24.16 | slacker403 | wols: whats not in debian ? |
| 20:24.25 | vchrizz | i want to install fglrx-driver_8.28.8 for my rv280(radeon 9200 se) but it depends on << 1:7.0.99 and i got 1:7.1.0-18 installed ... is it possible to install this driver though? |
| 20:24.28 | wols | slacker403: apxs according to pdo |
| 20:24.39 | slacker403 | its jus called axps2 |
| 20:24.41 | wols | vchrizz: no |
| 20:24.56 | dexomsrc | I just installed 64-bit Debian and am a bit confused about whether the wine package I have is a 32-bit or 64-bit binary. I downloaded wine from the main section of the official Debian package repos in x86_64 Debian unstable. |
| 20:25.10 | wols | fglrx dropped support of pre r300 cards |
| 20:25.15 | wintix | it's 32bit. |
| 20:25.24 | wols | vchrizz: use the ati driver |
| 20:25.27 | wintix | and it's the only 32bit application in 64bit debian. |
| 20:25.30 | vchrizz | wols: hum, cant i anyhow trick the driver-installer to have it think i got xorg 7.0.99 installed? |
| 20:25.38 | wols | vchrizz: no you cannot |
| 20:25.50 | wols | either use an older fglrx or use ati or use vesa. your choice |
| 20:26.21 | zirikili | wols: right. but I was using sid because I like those games. I do have problems with sid before and I think using testing would be better to keep my system up to date |
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| 20:26.32 | vchrizz | wols: ok, ill try an older fglrx.. thx |
| 20:26.50 | wols | zirikili: set your sources.list to testing and don't upgrade for a few weeks |
| 20:26.53 | joakim | hey, i have a question |
| 20:26.59 | wols | zirikili: sooner or later you will run a normal testing |
| 20:27.01 | joakim | how can i stop a computer from mounting swap? |
| 20:27.10 | zirikili | wols: nice! |
| 20:27.15 | wols | vchrizz: srry. older fglrx won't work with Xorg 7.1 |
| 20:27.23 | wols | vchrizz: you have no choice with your card. ati or vesa |
| 20:27.25 | joakim | currently, it's doing that so i can't remove a striped raid array which houses the swap partition |
| 20:27.26 | wintix | joakim: modify /etc/fstab |
| 20:27.32 | nvz | joakim: man fstab |
| 20:27.35 | joakim | alrighty, thanks :D |
| 20:27.35 | joakim | haha |
| 20:27.39 | nvz | heh |
| 20:27.47 | joakim | ah |
| 20:27.50 | joakim | i'm an idiot |
| 20:27.51 | JordiGH | wols: A few weeks? I wish. :-/ |
| 20:27.54 | joakim | i should have understood that |
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| 20:27.59 | joakim | haha, anyway, now i see it, thank you all. |
| 20:28.03 | nvz | good thing you asked your question, cause I was just gonna give you a random answer to a question of my choice |
| 20:28.05 | JordiGH | wols: libc6 isn't going to move down to testing in a few weeks. :-/ |
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| 20:28.06 | wols | JordiGH: a few weeks? |
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| 20:28.30 | wols | ok. "sooner or later" then |
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| 20:29.13 | CaspeR-Bz | Do you know some tutorials that explains how to do a livecd from debian ? :) |
| 20:29.20 | nvz | JordiGH: na, those are the crabs I gave you :P |
| 20:29.37 | JordiGH | nvz: You're not my type. |
| 20:29.44 | nvz | likewise :P |
| 20:29.47 | wols | CaspeR-Bz: http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 20:29.50 | amphi | JordiGH: me too ;) |
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| 20:30.18 | CaspeR-Bz | wols: thanks ;) |
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| 20:31.23 | ttz | hi there... I'm looking for a functionnality similar to BSD's login.conf(5), any pointer please? |
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| 20:33.06 | \amethyst | ttz: Which functionality exactly? |
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| 20:33.47 | \amethyst | ttz: login.defs for lots of it... some of the security configuration might be in pam.conf or pam.d/* |
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| 20:34.16 | \amethyst | ttz: and some of the options likely have no equivalent |
| 20:34.20 | ttz | \amethyst: define a set of class to which users can belong, where most of login-related information can be overriden (motd, environment variable, shell, etc) |
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| 20:35.19 | ma3x | does only widescreen movie play without black bars on a wxga monitor? |
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| 20:35.27 | JordiGH | My question on how to have a shared directory for users with r/w permissions still stands. |
| 20:35.45 | \amethyst | ma3x: do you want non-widescreen movies to stretch? |
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| 20:36.04 | \amethyst | ma3x: oh, misread, you said "does" not "why does" |
| 20:36.11 | ttz | \amethyst: thank you |
| 20:36.44 | ma3x | \amethyst, I have wxga monitor, and if I specify 16:10 will a widescreen movie play without black bars? |
| 20:36.56 | ma3x | or 16:10 must always have the black bars? |
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| 20:37.35 | \amethyst | ma3x: 16:9 you mean? |
| 20:38.14 | \amethyst | ma3x: You should be able to play widescreen movies without the bars, but I guess it depends on the video player |
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| 20:38.28 | ma3x | \amethyst, 16:10 I mean wxga. 1280x800 |
| 20:38.33 | JordiGH | Are Unix permissions just not built to have a transparent method for sharing directories? |
| 20:38.40 | stew | or it depends on the aspect ratio of the movie itself. since there is no one standard |
| 20:39.00 | stew | JordiGH: g+rw ? |
| 20:39.11 | stew | or what does transparant mean? |
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| 20:39.26 | smhar | hello friends |
| 20:39.28 | \amethyst | ma3x: then you would probably have 40-pixel bars at top and bottom when playing a 16x9 movie, or it would be stretched |
| 20:39.38 | \amethyst | ma3x: since widescreen movies are 16x9 |
| 20:39.56 | ma3x | \amethyst, so in other words I will always see black bars, either right and left or up and down ? |
| 20:40.00 | ma3x | that totally sucks!!! |
| 20:40.16 | \amethyst | ma3x: you could switch to 1280x720 for watching movies |
| 20:40.46 | smhar | I received an mp3 player that can open in debian as mass storage but the files in it are all recorded in a format called .act how to play them? and how to convert them to something more common? |
| 20:40.49 | \amethyst | ma3x: and video players probably have a way to stretch it 11% vertically to make up the difference |
| 20:40.55 | JordiGH | stew: I want them to share files on that directory, for newly created files on that directory to have read-write access to both of them, as well as all subdirectories, and I don't want them to have to set their umasks manually or manually alter the permissions of those files each time they create a new one. |
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| 20:41.16 | ma3x | \amethyst, but the people would be fat then? |
| 20:41.18 | ma3x | or too tall? |
| 20:41.21 | putridp | smhar: mplayer might be able to open them |
| 20:41.37 | \amethyst | ma3x: It really depends on the physical aspect ratio of your monitor |
| 20:41.51 | stew | JordiGH: you need to set their umasks |
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| 20:42.23 | wols | smhar: http://filext.com/file-extension/act |
| 20:42.23 | JordiGH | stew: But I don't want their umask to affect every file they create. Only the ones in this directory. |
| 20:42.44 | stew | JordiGH: you are not going to get what you want |
| 20:42.46 | \amethyst | ma3x: if 1280x800 pixels are square (i.e. the screen is physically 16x10) then you are going to have to have black bars at top/bottom, or stretch the video vertically 11% |
| 20:43.01 | JordiGH | stew: I suppose that with private groups it wouldn't be such an issue if their umasks are different... |
| 20:43.18 | ma3x | \amethyst, what would you rather do - stretch it or have the black bars? |
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| 20:43.28 | \amethyst | ma3x: don't think of them as black bars, think of them as extra pixels that a 1280x720 screen wouldn't have :) |
| 20:43.32 | JordiGH | stew: Doesn't ACL have a more transparent way of doing this? |
| 20:43.40 | Depress | reboot |
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| 20:49.15 | JordiGH | Screw it. I'm installing the unstable libc6. After all, isn't this my machine to mess up as I see fit? |
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| 20:49.32 | alexander1 | JordiGH: I'll drink to that |
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| 20:50.17 | Ronin | famous last words :) |
| 20:50.18 | epp_ | hey |
| 20:50.38 | richb | Heya all |
| 20:50.41 | h3xis | what's shakin. |
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| 20:51.15 | epp_ | I installed phpadmin and it gives me this error "Cannot load mysql extension. Please check your PHP configuration. - Documentation |
| 20:51.29 | formorer | what can this mean? |
| 20:51.36 | alexander1 | :) |
| 20:51.37 | epp_ | i have installed the php-mysql5 packages |
| 20:51.38 | winn2 | php_mod_mysql |
| 20:51.38 | formorer | maybe you have no mysql extension installed? |
| 20:51.53 | formorer | epp_: and did you activated it in the php.ini |
| 20:51.54 | formorer | ? |
| 20:52.11 | epp_ | do you know where thats located? |
| 20:52.15 | winn2 | or restart apache after you mod_php |
| 20:52.30 | epp_ | winn2: i did that |
| 20:52.32 | formorer | epp_: /etc/php5/ |
| 20:52.33 | JordiGH | The aptitude wants to remove libmudflap0-dev and libssp0... Hope that's nothing important... |
| 20:52.43 | JordiGH | Er, the aptitude upgrade... |
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| 20:53.16 | klync | i setup exim4 to relay through a smarthost that requires auth plain or auth login... i can authenticate in a telnet session, and i can reproduce exim's error in telnet: the remote server disconnects when passed the credentials on the same line as the "auth plain" line, instead of waiting for the server's 334 response ... can anyone help me look through the mailer rule to figure out how to fix this? this whole part was changed in a recent dpkg update |
| 20:53.17 | epp_ | xebian:/etc/php5# ls |
| 20:53.17 | epp_ | apache2 conf.d |
| 20:53.39 | epp_ | thats all i get |
| 20:53.40 | formorer | epp_: please use your brain |
| 20:53.40 | winn2 | lol |
| 20:54.02 | formorer | maybe you want to look a little bit _deeper_ |
| 20:54.11 | epp_ | mmk |
| 20:54.17 | epp_ | cd apache2 |
| 20:54.26 | winn2 | look for php4 extension module (replace 4 for 5 if you are running php5) |
| 20:54.49 | epp_ | :) |
| 20:54.56 | winn2 | you should be able to see it with apt-cache search mysql |
| 20:55.04 | winn2 | and verify it is installed |
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| 20:56.02 | epp_ | would the extension be called mysql.so? |
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| 20:56.34 | ijk | I'm running lenny; just installed the nvidia-glx package to get beryl working. how do I test if these nvidia-drivers are working? |
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| 20:57.14 | \amethyst | JordiGH: still here? |
| 20:58.15 | JordiGH | \amethyst: Yes, why? |
| 20:58.28 | \amethyst | JordiGH: default ACLs on directories look like they do what you want |
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| 20:58.53 | JordiGH | \amethyst: So how do I begin learning about that? |
| 20:59.51 | \amethyst | http://www.suse.de/~agruen/acl/linux-acls/online/ looks good |
| 21:00.10 | JordiGH | aptitude install acl? |
| 21:00.12 | \amethyst | make sure you read the chacl man page because there are restrictions on the ACLs it accepts (e.g. no partial ACLs) |
| 21:00.15 | epp_ | any ideas on where the package php-mysql5 put the extension? |
| 21:01.03 | alexander1 | updatedb && locate mysql.so |
| 21:01.12 | alexander1 | isn't that the filename you specified earlier? |
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| 21:01.45 | asanchez | hi all! |
| 21:01.49 | vanksi | hmm, i'm trying to compile fxp.one on debian but when running ./configure even with --with-ssl-dir=/usr/lib all it says is "Could not find a linkable OpenSSL" |
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| 21:01.59 | \amethyst | JordiGH: chmod 700 dir; chacl -b u::rwx,g::---,o:---,u:neil:rwx,m::rwx u::rwx,g::---,o:---,u:neil:rwx,m::rwx dir |
| 21:02.01 | nslater | Does anyone here have any experience with po-mode for Emacs? |
| 21:02.24 | xand | !anyone |
| 21:02.24 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 21:02.24 | JordiGH | nslater: I do. What's up? |
| 21:02.37 | asanchez | Does anyone fight with Intel 965GM chipset under debian? |
| 21:02.52 | maxamillion | i love the irony in those three lines ... i should post on bash.org |
| 21:03.00 | maxamillion | errr... 4 posts |
| 21:03.02 | nslater | JordiGH, every time I try to save in po-mode emacs tells me the buffer is read only. |
| 21:03.25 | \amethyst | JordiGH: Actually, you don't need to do the chmod 700... chacl changes the modes too |
| 21:03.33 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 21:03.35 | JordiGH | nslater: Btw, Debian's po-mode is not the best. See #413726 |
| 21:03.39 | nslater | JordiGH, it's worth noting that any other editor has no problem writing changes. |
| 21:03.42 | Mazingaro | is anyone playing urban terror 4.0? |
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| 21:04.05 | epp_ | alexander1: i ran that command, rebooted apache. still now go. |
| 21:04.05 | \amethyst | JordiGH: be advised that the group permissions in ls etc now represent the ACL mask |
| 21:04.08 | epp_ | no* |
| 21:04.57 | nslater | JordiGH, hmm - point taken. But do you know of any specific reason it would be complaining about the buffer being read only? |
| 21:05.23 | JordiGH | nslater: Wait, let me see if I remember how Emacs po-mode works. Read-only buffer is the desired behaviour. |
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| 21:05.25 | nslater | JordiGH, I know po-mode sets the buffer to readonly and forces you to use "Q" - but even that doesn't seem to lift the original read only mode. |
| 21:06.20 | mischko | Is there a default "preseed" file for ubuntu installs so you can install a server without attaching a monitor? |
| 21:06.21 | nslater | JordiGH, yeah - but the built in commands for saving don't work either. |
| 21:06.21 | formorer | mischko: this is not #ubuntu |
| 21:06.21 | xand | mischko: ask #ubuntu |
| 21:06.21 | mischko | I'm assuming they'd be the same? |
| 21:06.21 | JordiGH | !ubuntu |
| 21:06.21 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 21:06.21 | xand | !assume |
| 21:06.22 | dpkg | [assume] the mother of all mistakes and (ASS - U - ME): makes an ass of you and makes an ass of me |
| 21:06.22 | formorer | mischko: then they would have the same name |
| 21:06.44 | nslater | Wow, very agressive channel. |
| 21:06.51 | JordiGH | nslater: Got a .po handy I could try? |
| 21:06.51 | Ronin | heh JordiGH not so much chickens out as common sense |
| 21:07.02 | nslater | JordiGH, um shure - how do I get it to yuo? |
| 21:07.06 | epp_ | mischko: ubuntu is more user friendly too. |
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| 21:07.59 | maxamillion | nslater: after years of answering the same questions over and over that can be easily answered with a little google search time, people start getting annoyed ;) |
| 21:07.59 | JordiGH | nslater: If it's small, paste it somewhere. Otherwise, jordigh@gmail.com |
| 21:07.59 | formorer | nslater: no, just tired |
| 21:08.00 | mischko | Is there a way on a standard Debian install to do it completely without a monitor? |
| 21:08.00 | nslater | mischko, I like your style - just s/ubuntu/debian/ and re-ask. |
| 21:08.01 | JordiGH | nslater: The bot may seem harsh. But it's just a cold, unthinking machine and gets the job done. It's not programmed to care about your feelings. ;-) |
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| 21:08.18 | mischko | nslater, I'm wondering if it's even possible. So far, I have not been able to find a way. |
| 21:08.25 | JordiGH | mischko: Not currently. I hear that Ubuntu is working on it. |
| 21:08.34 | xand | it is possible, depending on hardware |
| 21:08.55 | epp_ | whats the default user and pass for mysql? or how do i change the current one? |
| 21:08.57 | xand | and what's already on the machine |
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| 21:09.08 | mischko | xand, I'm setting up 14 old boxes as servers. I'm booting them off the network to do the install. |
| 21:09.13 | xand | mischko: I install debian on a machine that's 500 miles away |
| 21:09.14 | nslater | JordiGH, sent you an email. |
| 21:09.17 | xand | +ed |
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| 21:09.38 | mischko | xand, what's already on it? |
| 21:09.42 | JordiGH | nslater: Got it. Let me see... |
| 21:09.48 | formorer | mischko: you can use serial console (if available) |
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| 21:10.02 | nslater | JordiGH, I am openeing, unfuzzing the first entry and then pressing "Q" |
| 21:10.36 | vchrizz | wols: i managed to get fglrx-driver (8.28.8-4 instead of 8.28.8-1) working on xorg 7.1 ... just had to use debian repos instead of manually installing from ati.amd.com ;) |
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| 21:11.09 | JordiGH | nslater: I can't reproduce your behavour. I move down to the first msgstr with n, then edit it with RET, then -c C-c to save the change and then C-x C-s saves the modified po file. |
| 21:11.14 | xand | mischko: maybe you could boot the machines from the network and copy an installation to them? |
| 21:11.19 | xand | mischko: created with debootstrap |
| 21:11.26 | nslater | JordiGH, weird. I shall file a bug. |
| 21:11.38 | vchrizz | wols: but fglrxinfo tells me using mesa.. i added fglrx to "Driver" line in xorg.conf and restartet gdm .. ? |
| 21:11.41 | epp_ | how do i get in mysql for the first time, i dont know the password |
| 21:11.52 | nslater | epp_, su mysql |
| 21:11.59 | vchrizz | epp_: there is no pw |
| 21:12.00 | nslater | epp_, or rather sudo su mysql |
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| 21:12.41 | karsten | epp_: hashmysql.org (MySQL wiki); |
| 21:12.49 | JordiGH | nslater: I moved to the fuzzy string with n and p, TAB to remove the fuzzy mark, C-x C-s and the file got saved. |
| 21:12.56 | \amethyst | dpkg, acl is also at http://www.suse.de/~agruen/acl/linux-acls/online/ |
| 21:13.16 | karsten | epp_: http://hashmysql.org/index.php?title=Resetting_Root |
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| 21:13.36 | nslater | JordiGH, yeah - this is a bug on my end I think. |
| 21:13.48 | nslater | JordiGH, thanks for confirming that I am doing the right thing. |
| 21:13.52 | mischko | xand, I'll explore that option. |
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| 21:14.25 | JordiGH | nslater: I'm using version 0.16.1-1 of gettext-el and 21.4a+1-5 of Emacs. |
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| 21:14.42 | vchrizz | why does fglrxinfo tells me using mesa? in xorg.conf i wrote to use driver fglrx, got 8.28.8 and xorg 7.1 installed.. |
| 21:15.17 | epp__ | ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) |
| 21:15.23 | epp__ | thats the error i get |
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| 21:15.52 | nslater | JordiGH, I am using 0.15-2 |
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| 21:17.23 | epp__ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:17.39 | karsten | !tell epp_ about ask |
| 21:17.50 | karsten | epp_: Just ask. Either we do or we don't (and I don't). |
| 21:18.27 | vchrizz | how do i find out in which debian release xorg 7.0 is? i think i need to downgrade from 7.1 to get fglrx driver working |
| 21:18.27 | epp__ | karsten: didnt i just ask? |
| 21:19.06 | rox | vchrizz: pdo |
| 21:19.15 | debianix | vchrizz: fglrx ? why do you want to downgrade ? |
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| 21:19.20 | rox | !tell vchrizz about pdo |
| 21:19.20 | h3sp4wn | vchrizz: fglrx works with xorg 7.1 are you using the version in debian ? |
| 21:20.28 | ThatGuy | hey guys, im having trouble getting kde up and running |
| 21:20.36 | karsten | !tell ThatGuy about ask |
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| 21:20.41 | karsten | !tell ThatGuy about smart questions |
| 21:20.47 | debianix | using the xorg-fglrx driver will handle 8.28 ... still everything should work fine |
| 21:20.54 | debianix | which ati card do you have |
| 21:20.55 | debianix | >? |
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| 21:21.19 | karsten | ThatGuy: Describe what you're doing / entering / clicking, and what if anything is happening. Pastebin errors exactly. |
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| 21:21.49 | vchrizz | debianix, h3sp4wn: the problem is, all fglrx drivers for ati 9200 support xorg up to << 7.0.99 and newer drivers dont support my 9200 |
| 21:22.17 | asanchez | i'm unable to run fglrx with a X600 Mobile graphic card |
| 21:22.17 | sputnick | hi there |
| 21:22.18 | karsten | Which bots are alive right now? |
| 21:22.21 | h3sp4wn | vchrizz: probably because "radeon" works flawlessly with a 9200 |
| 21:22.26 | h3sp4wn | vchrizz: man radeon |
| 21:22.31 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Ping. Feed your bots, they're grumpy. |
| 21:22.40 | debianix | vchrizz: then don't use the fglrx driver included in xorg, download it from ati and compile it |
| 21:22.41 | sussudio | %fist karsten |
| 21:22.59 | debianix | specially with ati 9200 i don't think you should have any probs |
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| 21:23.15 | sputnick | head -n1 /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf return ctrl_interfaces or ctrl_interface please ? |
| 21:23.17 | h3sp4wn | I cannot understand when having a perfectly supported card (like a 9200) anyone would ever want to use fglrx |
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| 21:23.22 | karsten | %sussudio |
| 21:23.22 | badgers | Kiss my shiny metal ass, karsten! |
| 21:23.29 | vchrizz | h3sp4wn: i currently got xorg 7.1.0-18 installed and the only driver which i could at least install is the one from debian repos (8.28.8-4) |
| 21:23.34 | ThatGuy | karsten: ok. i did apt-get install kde, which seemed to work fine. i then installed kdm which also installed fine. whenever i do '/etc/init.d/kdm start' the screen flashes a couple of times and says "Starting K Display Manager: kdm." nothing else happens |
| 21:23.40 | h3sp4wn | vchrizz: did you read man radeon ? |
| 21:23.54 | debianix | h3sp4wn: i destroyed my sytem apart trying to use the radeon driver |
| 21:23.59 | JordiGH | ThatGuy: Does X work? |
| 21:24.00 | debianix | is has its good and bad usage |
| 21:24.24 | karsten | sussudio: Do you have dondelelcaro's factoid database on there? |
| 21:24.27 | vchrizz | h3sp4wn: i used radeon before but display lags (e.g. while moving windows) so i thought installing fglrx would help |
| 21:25.00 | karsten | ThatGuy: Can you fire up X using another / no desktop environment? |
| 21:25.01 | h3sp4wn | debianix: using a 92xx or lower ? |
| 21:25.12 | karsten | ThatGuy: 'X' from console should give you a herringbone display. |
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| 21:25.26 | sussudio | !my factoids |
| 21:25.29 | h3sp4wn | debianix: I have used it flawlessly on a 9250 and pretty well on a 9800pro |
| 21:25.29 | rocketmagnet | hi, i have some problems with my apt-get install kolabd |
| 21:25.33 | debianix | vchrizz: as long as u are not using it for fancy desktop, like beryl ... fglrx is fine .... i am using it now and very happy with the performance |
| 21:25.39 | sussudio | !test |
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| 21:25.44 | sussudio | k. |
| 21:25.52 | ThatGuy | karsten: it says "Fatal server error: no screens found" |
| 21:25.55 | debianix | h3sp4wn: i have a 9700 rv350 m10 |
| 21:26.00 | rocketmagnet | does someone may know how to reconfigure an allready installed package ? |
| 21:26.07 | vchrizz | debianix: i tried to manually install fgrx by using the installer and build pkg for debian .. didnt work cause the drivers only work up to 7.0.99 with my 9200... would it work if i compile them by myself? |
| 21:26.09 | h3sp4wn | debianix: Mobility ? |
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| 21:26.21 | sussudio | %my factoids |
| 21:26.22 | badgers | My factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ They are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. there is a searchable database of my factoids at http://dpkg.vireo.org/ |
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| 21:26.26 | debianix | h3sp4wn: yes |
| 21:26.44 | sputnick | awk -F'=' '/ctrl_inter/ {print $1}' /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf please |
| 21:26.44 | JordiGH | ThatGuy: Then it's not a problem with KDE, but with X. |
| 21:26.48 | JordiGH | !tell ThatGuy about drxx |
| 21:26.55 | debianix | vchrizz: i've compiled it to deb and module-assisant a-i fglrx ... works fine |
| 21:26.56 | JordiGH | %tell ThatGuy about drxx |
| 21:27.04 | chop1 | So I've got a Debian server (running a Perforce daemon and not much else) which shows as pretty heavily loaded, yet with a high idle percentage in "top". |
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| 21:27.38 | vchrizz | debianix: which version of fglrx and xorg are you using? with which card? |
| 21:27.42 | asanchez | one month ago i talked to an AMD Spain Chief and they dont know anything about the ridiculous support of ATI for linux |
| 21:27.50 | chop1 | E.g. at this one particular moment of time it's showing a load of 2.19, Cpu(s) 71.4% idle. |
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| 21:28.01 | karsten | ThatGuy: I'd tell you to /msg apt setupx but it's down. |
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| 21:28.27 | asanchez | I think that AMD really dont know how important is a good support for linux user |
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| 21:28.40 | vchrizz | asanchez: right ;) |
| 21:29.16 | JordiGH | Didn't the drxx have more information for troubleshooting X problems? Like, looking at the refresh rates of the monitor and all that cal? |
| 21:29.17 | vchrizz | asanchez: and i think they do this driver "mess" so you go and buy a better card! ;) |
| 21:29.18 | chop1 | This is a 4 CPU machine. Is it just that Perforce's behavior is very bursty as far as load goes, or is there a state the kernel can be in where the CPU's not busy or IO-waiting, but the load is nonzero? |
| 21:29.22 | karsten | ThatGuy: aptitude install x-window-system |
| 21:29.23 | debianix | vchrizz: i am using x.org 7.1.1 on etch with fglrx 8.35.x along side ati 9600 rv-350 m10 |
| 21:29.31 | karsten | ThatGuy: .. should get you started. You don't have X set up properly yet. |
| 21:29.43 | ThatGuy | karsten: thanks |
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| 21:29.55 | ThatGuy | karsten: i'll give it a try |
| 21:30.04 | h3sp4wn | debianix: Never used it with a mobility but its a great driver fglrx sucks |
| 21:30.05 | h3sp4wn | debianix: nvidia is slightly better - but on a 9200 defined as stable by the radeon driver no reason to recommend fglrx |
| 21:30.11 | asanchez | we are trying to force them to make a better support, until that, we aren't going to buy any AMD processor |
| 21:30.12 | debianix | h3sp4wn: the trouble with fglrx is only that when you enable composite, it doesn't seem to accept dri =on |
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| 21:30.35 | vchrizz | debianix: oh well, if i got a 9600 i wouldnt have problems too ;) its just that fglrx 8.28.8 doesnt support 7.1 (but 7.0.99) and newer drivers doesnt support 9200 anymore |
| 21:30.50 | h3sp4wn | debianix: Instability I had with it |
| 21:31.01 | h3sp4wn | debianix: And I like to use free drivers when at all possible |
| 21:31.23 | debianix | i do as well ... :) |
| 21:31.23 | Xik0 | is anyone have debian installed on a Asus F3JC, i'm a noobice in linux, and i wanted to know if it's work fine out-of-box with my laptop before i installed. =) |
| 21:31.42 | h3sp4wn | vchrizz: 8.28.8 is the version in etch |
| 21:31.44 | karsten | ThatGuy: Might add to that (you can kill and restart the command w/o problems) aptitude install x-window-system desktop-base kdestkop |
| 21:31.52 | debianix | but using radeon ... u can clearly see a big difference in the desktop |
| 21:31.54 | asanchez | Xik0, look for it at linux-laptops |
| 21:32.00 | karsten | ThatGuy: Which may forestall a few more questions. |
| 21:32.13 | h3sp4wn | !info fglrx-driver etch |
| 21:32.25 | vchrizz | h3sp4wn: well, but its the last driver to support 9200 |
| 21:32.31 | asanchez | Xik0, take care of new Intel Santa Rosa platform, wireless and graphics are not supported yet |
| 21:32.34 | debianix | if you use it only for working, like i said, not for composite ... it works fine |
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| 21:32.43 | Xik0 | asanchez, i also have a modem usb from my vodafone 3g ISP. it should be a problem? |
| 21:32.55 | h3sp4wn | vchrizz: Because its completely unnecessary for it to be supported |
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| 21:33.03 | debianix | if you want to use compiz or xgl or even beryl use radeon, then |
| 21:33.04 | asanchez | it could be, it depends of the laptop |
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| 21:33.24 | asanchez | Xik0, i knows that the are several problems with some models of HP |
| 21:33.37 | Xik0 | asanchez, it's a asus f3jc |
| 21:33.38 | h3sp4wn | debianix: just general picture quality is why I like radeon (best card I ever had) |
| 21:33.57 | vchrizz | h3sp4wn: i either could go and buy 9600 or downgrade xorg to <=7.0.99 ... but first i try to compile 8.28.8 for my own like debianix said |
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| 21:34.09 | vchrizz | h3sp4wn: why is it unnecessary? |
| 21:34.11 | asanchez | Xik0, i cant say nothing about it |
| 21:34.16 | Kevin` | someone please tell me how to stop debian from renaming ethernet interfaces |
| 21:34.20 | h3sp4wn | vchrizz: why there is no point whatsoever as that is the version that is used in etch |
| 21:34.41 | Xik0 | asanchez, thanks anyway, i will do a search =) |
| 21:34.58 | h3sp4wn | Kevin`: stop using udev (or just set them in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules) |
| 21:35.03 | asanchez | Xik0, search at linux-laptops |
| 21:35.13 | Kevin` | "them"? |
| 21:35.18 | Kevin` | I want to stop it from doing them at all |
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| 21:35.26 | h3sp4wn | Kevin`: don't use udev then |
| 21:35.29 | xjih78_ | chi |
| 21:35.31 | Kevin` | ... |
| 21:35.32 | xjih78_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:35.37 | Kevin` | I know it's possible to use udev and not do this |
| 21:35.43 | xjih78_ | i tried everything from skype, arecord, aplay, alsamixer settings including capture |
| 21:35.53 | xjih78_ | and basicly learned more about it :) |
| 21:36.13 | asanchez | I have a very new Acer Travelmate 6492LMi at work and it tooks months after i could see the ipw4965 running |
| 21:36.20 | vchrizz | h3sp4wn: hum... i think its stupid not to support 9200 under xorg 7.1 (but <<7.0.99) .. it forces you to either buy 9600+ or downgrade to xorg 7.0 |
| 21:36.22 | xjih78_ | but nothing to fix the problem. can someone take the challenge by helping. my USB cam/mic, when plugged and adjusted works just fine on skype with the mic but i need it to run with my mic on the soundcard. |
| 21:36.24 | Kevin` | GRRRR |
| 21:36.31 | debianix | xjih78_: what is the problem then |
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| 21:36.57 | xjih78_ | debianix, input doesn't work. output is fine. |
| 21:36.57 | Cyor | Lo, I wanna run a news server (not linked to usenet, seperate with my own groups)... so I've installed inn2 and I think i've started it up (/etc/init.d/inn2 start)... I can't connect to it tho - not even from the same box - any ideas? |
| 21:37.16 | h3sp4wn | vchrizz: Just learn to configure "radeon" properly |
| 21:37.31 | h3sp4wn | vchrizz: You are not forced to use non-free software |
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| 21:37.48 | xjih78_ | i can listen to xmms, amarok, youtube etc... |
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| 21:37.53 | debianix | xjih78_: what desktop are u using > |
| 21:37.57 | h3sp4wn | vchrizz: (you are lucky to be in the position where you can get full functionality with free software) |
| 21:38.02 | Kevin` | someone? please? this is incredibly annoying. and i'd rather not remove all udev functionality, just the renaming crap |
| 21:38.06 | xjih78_ | xorg server,fluxbox |
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| 21:38.15 | debianix | lol did you try to increase the volume of "capture" |
| 21:38.22 | xjih78_ | yes |
| 21:38.28 | rox | h3sp4wn: which package contains the "radeon" driver? |
| 21:38.30 | karsten | ThatGuy: The factoid I was looking for: aptitude install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xorg && apt-get install xserver-xorg\". Sometimes just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg works. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer.' |
| 21:38.32 | Kevin` | if I remove udev i'm going to have to create a static dev and change around all the init scripts |
| 21:38.34 | Kevin` | it won't be fun |
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| 21:38.38 | stew | rox: xserver-xorg-video-ati |
| 21:38.55 | rox | stew: aha, along with "ati" then |
| 21:39.02 | karsten | Kevin`: makedev is your friend, and remove the udev package, you'll be fine. Why are you nuking udev? |
| 21:39.03 | rox | stew: thank you |
| 21:39.26 | stew | Kevin`: you want your ethernet devices to change names on their own? or you want them to not change? |
| 21:39.28 | vchrizz | h3sp4wn, debianix: what i dont get, is that i managed to install xorg 7.1.0-18 and fglrx 8.28.8-4 (-4 from debian repos, instead of -1 from amd) but fglrxinfo tells using mesa? |
| 21:39.37 | karsten | Kevin`: Ah. What stew said. |
| 21:39.40 | Kevin` | I want them not to change stew |
| 21:40.02 | karsten | Kevin`: s/stew/h3sp4wn/ WRT udev config. |
| 21:40.04 | stew | Kevin`: then you don't want to remove udev. udev prevents them from changing by statically mapping them in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 21:40.19 | debianix | vchrizz: heh, i had that as welli think |
| 21:40.27 | debianix | you have to reconfigure xorg |
| 21:40.29 | stew | Kevin`: if you don't like the current mappings then alter that file |
| 21:40.31 | JordiGH | !test |
| 21:40.32 | JordiGH | %test |
| 21:40.33 | badgers | Test Failed. |
| 21:40.43 | Kevin` | I do not want to enter a static name for each mac address just to prevent it from randomly choosign names |
| 21:40.47 | Kevin` | please tell me I don't have to do that |
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| 21:41.14 | karsten | Kevin`: How many hundreds of macs do you have? |
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| 21:41.17 | stew | Kevin`: you don't have to, they are automatically entered in that file the first time they are encountered |
| 21:41.19 | debianix | vchrizz: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg and choose the proper driver |
| 21:41.32 | debianix | ati or radeon .. |
| 21:41.40 | Kevin` | look. |
| 21:41.46 | Kevin` | some drivers make more then one interface |
| 21:41.48 | Kevin` | dynamically |
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| 21:41.54 | Kevin` | udev makes stupid decisions from this |
| 21:41.54 | asanchez | debianix, radeon driver works well with a X600 Mobile? |
| 21:41.55 | xjih78 | vchrizz, i think it's ati |
| 21:42.01 | Kevin` | can't I just disable it doing that? |
| 21:42.10 | doudou | hi sorry to ask, but google did not help me, i change my monitor, i want to change to 1280*1024 with fluxbox what should i do? |
| 21:42.26 | lontra | doudou, what video card? |
| 21:42.51 | xjih78 | doudou, what's the monitor? |
| 21:42.51 | karsten | doudou: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 21:42.53 | h3sp4wn | vchrizz: for yours you can use "ati" or "radeon" both will work |
| 21:42.55 | Kevin` | I currently have "eth2" and "wlan0_rename" when I insert this card |
| 21:42.58 | Kevin` | which is so not useful |
| 21:43.11 | Cyor | Lo, I wanna run a news server (not linked to usenet, seperate with my own groups)... so I've installed inn2 and I think i've started it up (/etc/init.d/inn2 start)... I can't connect to it tho - not even from the same box - any ideas? |
| 21:43.22 | xjih78 | debianix, any idea? |
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| 21:43.27 | Kevin` | ok fine I get the idea, i'll remove udev already |
| 21:43.33 | debianix | asanchez: so far i wouldn't say they do very well, it works, but you can clearly see a big difference in the graphics compared to fglrx ... but working with beryl or compiz, radeon works better, as fglrx cannot support both composite and dri at the same time |
| 21:43.59 | asanchez | debianix, im with vesa now |
| 21:44.03 | Kevin` | I bet udev will start in the initrd though |
| 21:44.15 | h3sp4wn | debianix: What do you mean in the graphics ? picture quality ? |
| 21:45.03 | h3sp4wn | asanchez: It will work fine if you read the man page and try different options |
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| 21:46.01 | debianix | h3sp4wn: yes, in terms of resolution and picture quality, when i use radeon on 9600 ... the resolution is ok and look like 1024X768 even when i've adjusted it to 1280X800 ... but fglrx doesnt have this prob at all |
| 21:46.05 | doudou | karsten thanks, i found thios command on google but x86 instead of xorg , your command run fine and it found monitor and all is ok thanks all |
| 21:46.34 | Kevin` | ok, packages depend on udev apparently |
| 21:46.46 | Kevin` | there has to be a way to do this, someone please tell me |
| 21:46.59 | h3sp4wn | debianix: I have only used it at standard resolutions but with my 9250 I have the best picture quality I have had on any OS |
| 21:47.11 | h3sp4wn | debianix: (Much better than the junk nvidia I have now) |
| 21:47.25 | vchrizz | h3sp4wn: i know ati and radeon driver work... but they are somehow "slow" ... without using beryl even when just moving windows.. it really lags.. |
| 21:47.35 | asanchez | h3sp4wn, im going to try to run with "ati" driver, X restart, thanks |
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| 21:48.28 | h3sp4wn | vchrizz: They are fine - except when using beryl |
| 21:48.28 | debianix | vchrizz: it is a bit slower, but no probs at all with them if you are not using beryl or compiz |
| 21:48.34 | h3sp4wn | vchrizz: (they can be find with beryl anyway) |
| 21:48.47 | h3sp4wn | vchrizz: You just actually have to try the different options |
| 21:48.57 | barefoot | I am using a Rage 128 pro as a secondary card. I have dual monitors working with no problem. However, if I ctl-alt-backspace, it fails to load gdm again. I actually have to reboot to get my dual monitors working again!? anyone else have this issue? |
| 21:49.00 | debianix | h3sp4wn: they might be fine if beryl gets in debian repo :P |
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| 21:49.36 | h3sp4wn | debianix: I never used beryl - but it seems to be the in thing for people complaining about Driver "radeon" |
| 21:49.51 | h3sp4wn | debianix: I have had compiz working perfectly on that driver though |
| 21:50.30 | debianix | h3sp4wn: fglrx instead i would say, people find it better to use beryl with radeon driver as it is maybe slower but at least works, but with fglrx it doesn't work at all |
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| 21:51.52 | h3sp4wn | debianix: The only times I have ever had linux crash on me when doing something simple like switching from X to a vt is with fglrx |
| 21:52.08 | debianix | i've tried a couple ... in ubuntu, i get the white screen of death as they call if then loading beryl with X ... in opensuse, added xgl and compiz. everything worked fine and now on etch tried it ... beryl loads easily but eventually says dri is missing ... when i enable composite |
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| 21:53.10 | debianix | but so far ... i am happy with etch :) stable ... don't really need no fancy desktop |
| 21:53.19 | h3sp4wn | forget it (I will stop trying to understand why) |
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| 21:54.07 | SteveWrightNZ | I changed the soundcard (different chipset) and now no sound - how do I reconfigure it ? |
| 21:54.15 | debianix | i decided : what is more important, getting a stable fast system or a fancy desktop :P |
| 21:54.33 | debianix | if i do want the fancy desktop again, i'll get opensuse up and running again :P |
| 21:55.23 | sudo_maddash | SteveWrightNZ: if you use ALSA, issue, `alsaconf` |
| 21:55.33 | SteveWrightNZ | sudo_maddash: thanks |
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| 21:56.34 | debianix | heh :) i am using xfce4, very happy with it |
| 21:56.45 | SteveWrightNZ | sudo_maddash: wtf? no alsaconf ? |
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| 21:57.01 | foo | I can run badblocks on a drive while it's in use without hurting anything, right? |
| 21:57.18 | debianix | SteveWrightNZ: sudo apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils |
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| 21:57.35 | sudo_maddash | !info alsa-utils |
| 21:57.41 | sudo_maddash | %info alsa-utils |
| 21:57.44 | badgers | alsa-utils: (ALSA utilities), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.0.13-2 (sid), Packaged size: 1051 kB, Installed size: 1940 kB |
| 21:57.44 | SteveWrightNZ | kthx |
| 21:57.58 | sudo_maddash | !ping |
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| 21:58.11 | sudo_maddash | dpkg is sick :( |
| 21:58.20 | epp__ | i just installed the php package and the php-mysql5 package. I ran updatedb && locate mysql.so and phpmyadmin still gives me this error: Cannot load mysql extension. Please check your PHP configuration. - Documentation |
| 21:59.04 | debianix | epp_: sudo apt-get update / upgrade |
| 21:59.21 | debianix | there is new fix for php-mysql5 |
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| 22:01.18 | epp__ | debianix: what fix is that? |
| 22:01.26 | debianix | security fix |
| 22:02.07 | debianix | if i read well. i think there was about more than 12 bugs reported on php5 |
| 22:02.39 | epp__ | well, does that effect my php not recgnising it? |
| 22:02.40 | valdyn | foo: without hurting anything, yes, without reliable output, yes |
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| 22:03.03 | foo | valdyn: hm, best to get in a livecd and do it, eh? |
| 22:03.14 | SteveWrightNZ | pfft, apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils but alsaconf still not found |
| 22:03.23 | valdyn | foo: nothing should write to the disk |
| 22:03.30 | foo | valdyn: ah, I see |
| 22:03.32 | valdyn | foo: or partition |
| 22:03.40 | sudo_maddash | SteveWrightNZ: which version of debian are you using? |
| 22:03.41 | debianix | epp_: update and upgrade will give you a better idea when it reloads |
| 22:03.43 | valdyn | foo: mount -o remount,ro can do that |
| 22:03.52 | debianix | SteveWrightNZ: sudo alsaconf |
| 22:04.04 | foo | valdyn: hm, yeah, but I have writes going on... but... hmm, I see |
| 22:04.32 | valdyn | foo: if badblocks finds no errors on a diisk with writes going on, the disk is fine |
| 22:04.42 | valdyn | foo: if it finds errors, tthat does not mean htat there are errors |
| 22:05.13 | foo | valdyn: ahhh, ok, good idea. So, I'll go ahead and run it now.. if I ever hit issues, then do it with read only filesystem |
| 22:05.38 | valdyn | foo: or repeat and check if broken blocks are identical |
| 22:05.48 | valdyn | foo: this should at leaste empirically give useful information |
| 22:06.02 | sudo_maddash | %ubuntu |
| 22:06.03 | badgers | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 22:06.19 | sudo_maddash | %tell SteveWrightNZ about ubuntu |
| 22:06.24 | foo | valdyn: ahh, great, thank you. Good idea |
| 22:06.27 | epp__ | debianix: so you think installing this fix will fix it, because i dont really care aobut security |
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| 22:06.47 | foo | Anyone know any hard drive benching utilies besides bonnie? |
| 22:07.02 | debianix | it might be a solution epp: ... in anycase security is important too |
| 22:07.17 | foo | The system hung (but was still pingable) with bonnie++ -u 0 ... and I don't know if that means hardware is bad, or bonnie++ broke something else |
| 22:07.39 | SteveWrightNZ | sudo_maddash: yeah well I didnt post that in the channel for obvious reasons |
| 22:07.44 | avtobiff | bonnie++? |
| 22:07.53 | avtobiff | nm. i'll ask google. |
| 22:08.16 | debianix | SteveWrightNZ: u using ubuntu ? |
| 22:08.53 | sudo_maddash | debianix: it's quite obvious that he is. ubuntu deprecated alsaconf since dapper. |
| 22:09.16 | debianix | lol ./ignore SteveWrightNZ |
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| 22:09.31 | SamuraiDio | hi |
| 22:09.48 | SamuraiDio | what do i need to request and receive dinamic ip addresses |
| 22:09.48 | SamuraiDio | ? |
| 22:10.06 | SteveWrightNZ | SamuraiDio: simply use dhcp |
| 22:10.12 | sudo_maddash | SamuraiDio: `man dhclient3` |
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| 22:10.32 | SamuraiDio | i mean, automatically, ah plug a lan cable or start the computer |
| 22:10.35 | SamuraiDio | at* |
| 22:11.04 | sudo_maddash | SamuraiDio: man interfaces |
| 22:11.21 | SteveWrightNZ | enable dhcp on this interface, plug lan cable into router |
| 22:11.23 | SamuraiDio | isnt a daemon for it? |
| 22:11.29 | sudo_maddash | SamuraiDio: hint: look at "allow-hotplug" |
| 22:11.36 | SteveWrightNZ | SamuraiDio: yes, but it is automatic |
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| 22:12.17 | SamuraiDio | ahh |
| 22:12.18 | debianix | bah, if you are lazy use network-manager-* and add yourself to group netdev |
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| 22:12.25 | epp__ | whats a good VNC server for debian? |
| 22:12.32 | EmleyMoor | I have a laptop here which has the HD from my previous identical laptop fitted, but it seems that the network interfaces no longer exist when I try Debian. They do work in Windows, though, so I am trying to make them work again in Linux. Can anyone advise what my first troubleshooting step should be? |
| 22:12.46 | Supaplex | !tell epp__ -about search |
| 22:13.16 | debianix | epp__: heard about tight vnc, but never tried it though |
| 22:13.23 | EmleyMoor | There are no eth* entries in /dev - does that have any bearing? |
| 22:13.35 | Supaplex | EmleyMoor: no. ifconfig -a |
| 22:13.47 | SamuraiDio | auto eth0 |
| 22:13.47 | SamuraiDio | allow-hotplug eth0 |
| 22:13.47 | SamuraiDio | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 22:13.52 | SamuraiDio | can be like this? |
| 22:13.59 | SteveWrightNZ | SamuraiDio: yes |
| 22:14.27 | SamuraiDio | what means "iface eth0 inet dhcp" ?? |
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| 22:14.47 | SamuraiDio | do i need to restart something? |
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| 22:15.01 | EmleyMoor | I have eth3-5 and sit0 showing |
| 22:15.03 | SteveWrightNZ | SamuraiDio: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 22:18.02 | vchrizz | debianix, h3sp4wn, i just inserted a radeon 9800 (borrowed from a friend for testing) and installed fglrx 8.36.5-1 ... but fglrxinfo still shows mesa? (i edited xorg.conf to use fglrx instead of radeon or ati) |
| 22:18.38 | debianix | vchrizz: after installing fglrx driver. did you do aticonfig --initial ? |
| 22:18.45 | h3sp4wn | vchrizz: I don't care about fglrx problems |
| 22:19.06 | h3sp4wn | (when there is a free option) |
| 22:19.21 | SamuraiDio | will it disconnect at plug out? |
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| 22:19.33 | vchrizz | debianix: tells me: Found fglrx primary device section \n Nothing to do, terminating. |
| 22:19.58 | sudo_maddash | vchrizz: disable compositing in your xorg.conf -- "option 'composite' 'off'" |
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| 22:20.37 | SteveWrightNZ | SamuraiDio: yes |
| 22:20.54 | SteveWrightNZ | everything disconnects at plug-out ;-) |
| 22:20.59 | SamuraiDio | it havent did it |
| 22:21.10 | debianix | vchrizz: then you driver didn't compile well |
| 22:21.10 | SamuraiDio | my eth0 was still up |
| 22:21.21 | SamuraiDio | hmmm |
| 22:21.23 | debianix | did you come across any errors ? |
| 22:21.26 | deepblu | is it possible to upgrade kernel via apt ? |
| 22:21.27 | vchrizz | sudo_maddash: ok thx, restarting gdm.. |
| 22:21.28 | SteveWrightNZ | SamuraiDio: does it work now ? |
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| 22:22.28 | SamuraiDio | SteveWrightNZ, it will only get dhcp at system start right? not at pluggin pluggout the cable? |
| 22:23.21 | SamuraiDio | im getting errors installing oo on Etch: http://pastebin.ca/503525 |
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| 22:25.33 | dkr | hrm, isn't there a monopoly-ish game in debian repo? |
| 22:25.40 | kath`` | after dist-upgrade to sid, I've nvidia-glx upgrade, but it requires nvidia-kernel-1.0.9755, is it not packaged yet or did I screw up the dist-upgrade? |
| 22:26.06 | dkr | I guess they avoid using the specific word "monopoly" for trademark reasons, btu it also means I can't search on it for the wor din the description. :) |
| 22:26.54 | nn | um i need to stup a dhclinet and ipmasq for a static ip system can any point me in the correct dirrection |
| 22:27.00 | sudo_maddash | dkr: http://www.google.com/search?q=debian+monopoly+clone&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.debian:en-US:unofficial&client=iceweasel-a |
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| 22:28.39 | SteveWrightNZ | SamuraiDio: if you restart networking you will get dhcp |
| 22:28.51 | SamuraiDio | steve, sure, tnx |
| 22:29.00 | dkr | sudo_maddash: thanks, strange that it didn't show up in aptitude categorical browser in board games section, either |
| 22:29.34 | vchrizz | sudo_maddash: disabled composite but fglrxinfo still shows mesa .. not sure if relevant, but since i changed from 9200 to 9800 it shows Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 22:29.41 | dkr | atlantik KDE client for Monopoly-like network games or aptitude search, since it has monopoly in description |
| 22:29.44 | EmleyMoor | Why would my network interfaces be eth(what I expected + 4)? |
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| 22:30.40 | spheard | I just compiled a kernel, ran it and it went sproing. Wheres the log? |
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| 22:31.55 | epp__ | how do i stop x from booting on startup? |
| 22:32.33 | k31th | guys im in a bind i need ioncube PHPA or Zen Optimizer but there is no dpkg any where? whats my best option or does anyone know of a dpkg for it? |
| 22:33.04 | cafuego | k31th: www.zend.com |
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| 22:33.22 | k31th | cafuego: and install by hand? |
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| 22:34.21 | DawnLight | how do i list all current tcp connections? |
| 22:34.28 | Southern | Hi :) |
| 22:34.44 | vchrizz | DawnLight: man netstat |
| 22:34.48 | edog | DawnLight netstat -na|grep TCP |
| 22:35.06 | sudo_maddash | vchrizz: er, how did you disable composite? |
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| 22:35.41 | badgers | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of sussudio) |
| 22:35.45 | sussudio | %status |
| 22:35.46 | badgers | Since Tue May 22 22:35:05 2007, there have been 0 modifications, 0 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 0 commands. I have been awake for 22s this session, and currently reference 37342 factoids. I'm using about 16052 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 2.62/0.11 child 0/0.01 |
| 22:35.49 | DawnLight | thanks |
| 22:35.57 | epp__ | does kernel 2.6 imporve preformance greatly over 2.4? |
| 22:35.57 | h3sp4wn | DawnLight: lsof -i (as root) |
| 22:36.18 | vchrizz | sudo_maddash: Option "composite" "off" |
| 22:36.23 | sudo_maddash | Section "Extensions" |
| 22:36.24 | sudo_maddash | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:36.24 | sudo_maddash | EndSection |
| 22:36.33 | vchrizz | ah ok |
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| 22:36.56 | sudo_maddash | vchrizz: well, just hold on -- look inside Xorg.log |
| 22:37.00 | amphi | sudo_maddash: are your cpufreq + undervolt behaving themselves now? |
| 22:37.08 | deepblu | is there official howto on building / installing kernel within debian system ? |
| 22:37.15 | sudo_maddash | amphi: yep :) |
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| 22:37.42 | amphi | sudo_maddash: cool - what kernel? |
| 22:37.56 | h3sp4wn | deepblu: yeah but dpkg seems to be down - have a look on wiki.debian.org about kernel package |
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| 22:38.34 | vchrizz | sudo_maddash: ok, did that, restarting gdm .. |
| 22:39.11 | sudo_maddash | amphi: i was running 2.6.21.1 for some time, but but fglrx 8.35.5+ broke s2ram, and 8.34.8 refused to compile with 2.6.21.1. so I'm back to 2.6.20.11. no config_no_hz for me. :( |
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| 22:39.33 | amphi | ugh, fglrx |
| 22:39.53 | sudo_maddash | have you tried the dynticks? |
| 22:40.18 | amphi | sudo_maddash: nope, 2.6.18 here still |
| 22:40.25 | h3sp4wn | sudo_maddash: Dynticks is working well for me (but I use amd64 so have to use 2.6.22-rc2) |
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| 22:41.44 | sudo_maddash | h3sp4wn: "-rc*"? you're so brave. |
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| 22:43.04 | spheard | I just compiled a kernel, ran it and it went sproing. Wheres the log? |
| 22:43.26 | sudo_maddash | spheard: dmesg? syslog? kern.log? |
| 22:45.08 | petemc | spheard: depending on what sproing means, there most likely is no log, what with the kernel having to be able to access the disks to write logs etc |
| 22:45.20 | petemc | there should be an error on screen tho |
| 22:45.58 | EmleyMoor | Thank you all |
| 22:46.20 | dexomsrc | I notice there's no zsnes package in amd64 repos. This is probably because it's written in 32-bit x86 assembly... but is there no way to have ZSNES in x86_64 Debian then? |
| 22:46.37 | krazykit | dexomsrc, you could have a 32-bit chroot, i suppose |
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| 22:48.07 | spyroboy | I've got a weird problem here. |
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| 22:48.19 | Sweetandy | shoot |
| 22:48.23 | BadHorsie | say i have a typo in /etc/passwd for the root shell, what's the best way to solve it? besides single user mode... |
| 22:48.26 | spyroboy | I have fluxbox I got from apt ( which is damn old ) and I have a fluxbox I compiled |
| 22:48.36 | spyroboy | if I remove the apt'd fluxbox, it removes from my GDM |
| 22:48.41 | spyroboy | and I have no idea how to put it back there |
| 22:48.51 | spyroboy | if I install my compiled fluxbox over the apt'd one |
| 22:48.56 | spyroboy | GDM doesn't use the new binary |
| 22:49.11 | spyroboy | BadHorsie, sudo -s? |
| 22:50.38 | BadHorsie | sudo sucks. |
| 22:50.38 | spyroboy | also, if I start up a new Xorg with a fluxbox in it. It runs the correct fluxbox version. |
| 22:50.55 | spyroboy | which is the new one |
| 22:51.34 | krazykit | BadHorsie, vi /etc/passwd? |
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| 22:52.09 | BadHorsie | kramed: thought default was 444 |
| 22:52.18 | krazykit | BadHorsie, er, use sudo to do it |
| 22:52.39 | krazykit | BadHorsie, or, you could go the long way around, boot with a liveCD, and edit it that way |
| 22:52.44 | h3sp4wn | dexomsrc: There is a statically linked one can work fine |
| 22:52.55 | BadHorsie | yeah, single user mode. |
| 22:53.07 | epp__ | does kernel 2.6 have big performance increase over 2.4? |
| 22:53.11 | dexomsrc | h3sp4wn: Statically linked what? ZSNES package? |
| 22:53.12 | h3sp4wn | dexomsrc: (as long as its compiled in a 32 bit chroot the required libs are available with ia32-libs) |
| 22:53.34 | h3sp4wn | dexomsrc: zsnes binary - you cannot build it with --enable-libao though |
| 22:53.37 | BadHorsie | epp_: nope, Linus has been working on a way to make it everytime more slower |
| 22:53.45 | krazykit | epp__, depends on what performance. generally, the performance will be the same or better, and there are many more features |
| 22:53.51 | h3sp4wn | dexomsrc: as there is no lib32libao |
| 22:54.01 | BadHorsie | spyroboy: installing the .deb version shouldn't fix all the dependencies problems? |
| 22:54.07 | dexomsrc | h3sp4wn: So I have to compile it from source for it to work? There is no binary zsnes package to get it working on amd64 Debian? |
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| 22:54.25 | dexomsrc | h3sp4wn: I mean amd64 Debian's wine package is 32-bit. Why can't the same be done for ZSNES? |
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| 22:54.43 | h3sp4wn | dexomsrc: No binary and you cannot compile it (last time I checked) on amd64 |
| 22:55.22 | h3sp4wn | dexomsrc: No one bothered to do it I guess (I would like a 32 bit sdl mame more) but wine is the exception |
| 22:55.26 | epp__ | krazykit: i have debian specifiacally for xbox. There is a .patch file that puts it at 2.6 from 2.4. Would it be exremely hard to do? |
| 22:56.03 | krazykit | epp__, iunno. depends on what the readme says. shouldn't be hard |
| 22:56.17 | krazykit | though i don't run linux on my xbox |
| 22:56.18 | dexomsrc | h3sp4wn: Why would having a 32-bit MAME be advantageous? |
| 22:56.26 | h3sp4wn | dexomsrc: asm optimisations |
| 22:56.29 | epp__ | krazykit: it didnt come with a readme. But how would i apply it, and does it have to recomile? |
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| 22:56.49 | krazykit | epp__, iunno. like i said, i don't run it on the xbox. isn't debian-on-xbox its own project? |
| 22:57.03 | h3sp4wn | dexomsrc: If they had the same parts in x64 asm it wouldn't be |
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| 22:57.31 | epp__ | krazykit: yeh, but there is no website... |
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| 22:57.51 | h3sp4wn | dexomsrc: You can try zsnes svn with the cvs nasm (final supports 64 bit) I don't think it will even compile though |
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| 22:59.18 | krazykit | epp__, well, that's pretty useless. how do they distribute stuff then? |
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| 23:01.22 | epp__ | krazykit: its bland |
| 23:01.22 | kombi | how can one modify grub to boot the previous kernel if there is only ssh? |
| 23:01.23 | kombi | ..access |
| 23:01.23 | epp__ | krazykit: oh well, 2.4 is fine for me |
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| 23:01.55 | kombi | never been in the grub shell.. |
| 23:01.56 | Vasistha | I'm trying to use /etc/apt/preferences to do some pinning that isn't really well-documented. What I'd like is to pin several packages from testing: fp-compiler, fp-units-db, fp-docs, and several others. But I can't seem to get the Package: line right: I've tried "Package: fp-*" "Package: fp-compiler,fp-docs" "Package: fp-compiler fp-docs" but none of these seem to work |
| 23:02.04 | sudo_maddash | kombi: /boot/grub/menu.lst, change "default" parameter |
| 23:02.15 | kombi | sudo_maddash: thanks! |
| 23:02.55 | spheard | petemc:very valid point. How can a debug what happens when it completely fails? |
| 23:03.35 | h3sp4wn | epp__: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=54192 (You could compile 2.6.16 and it would work fine) |
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| 23:06.27 | epp__ | h3sp4wn: eh, too much work, this is just going to be a simple webserver/filserver |
| 23:06.28 | petemc | spheard: complete failure would be the computer not turning on, is that what happened? |
| 23:06.49 | h3sp4wn | epp__: 5 minutes work (and then wait until it compiles) |
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| 23:08.37 | ericx_2 | . |
| 23:08.42 | Vasistha | it would be really nice to avoid having to have 30-some-odd lines just to pin these packages one-by-one, but apt_preferences doesn't seem to support my fp-* wildcard use :( And I can't find documentation about this anywhere |
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| 23:08.54 | spheard | petemc: it got as far as the boot loader |
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| 23:09.39 | warlock__ | Is it possible to run .pm files on a debian server? |
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| 23:09.40 | epp__ | h3sp4wn: you could vnc and do it for me XD |
| 23:09.41 | petemc | spheard: how much prompting do you need to describe an actual error message? |
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| 23:10.37 | spheard | petemc:oh sorry, there wasnt one I connected thru ALOM, it crashed that too |
| 23:10.46 | spheard | Just went blank |
| 23:10.57 | petemc | i dont know what ALOM is |
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| 23:11.26 | petemc | but in any case, you obviously didnt compile your kernel correctly, did you leave the old, working kernel intact? |
| 23:11.57 | warlock__ | Can anyone tell me if its possible to run .pm files on a debian server? |
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| 23:13.33 | epp_ | im back :P |
| 23:13.51 | warlock__ | perhaps you know epp_? :-) |
| 23:14.16 | epp_ | possibly |
| 23:14.18 | epp_ | :P |
| 23:14.24 | epp_ | anyone use irsso? |
| 23:14.26 | epp_ | irssi* |
| 23:14.26 | warlock__ | Is it possible to run .pm files on a debian server? |
| 23:14.29 | warlock__ | yeah |
| 23:14.29 | warlock__ | I do |
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| 23:14.43 | epp_ | well, when i push ctrl-z it suspends, how do i resume? |
| 23:14.53 | petemc | %1 |
| 23:15.17 | Vasistha | epp_: fg |
| 23:15.22 | rking | or just % |
| 23:15.25 | Vasistha | epp_: or bg to put it in the background |
| 23:15.30 | epp_ | bg |
| 23:15.39 | rking | if you have several jobs backgrounded run `jobs` and see what comes up |
| 23:15.41 | epp_ | nice!!! |
| 23:15.51 | epp_ | how do i switch through rooms? |
| 23:16.14 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:16.14 | epp_ | thx gjuys |
| 23:16.23 | petemc | most peopel refer to them as channels.. |
| 23:16.31 | avtobiff | hehe rooms :-D |
| 23:16.36 | avtobiff | chat rooms :-DD |
| 23:16.38 | spheard | petemc: ALOM is a sun serial console. and yes, I have the old kernel back up |
| 23:16.45 | epp_ | hehe, its been ahwile |
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| 23:17.26 | sussudio | %bear h3sp4wn |
| 23:17.58 | epp_ | h3sp4wn: so do you wanna do it for me? :P |
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| 23:18.05 | slacker403 | why is apsx names apsx2 for apache2 ? |
| 23:18.12 | epp_ | h3sp4wn: ill just watch and learn |
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| 23:21.12 | Gokee2 | I can`t seem to get audacity to record or play. Depending on what I devices I select, while recording I get a msg that says it can`t open or it makes a new track and does not move. For playback it says it can`t open or with some devices it looks like its working but no sound comes out. Sound works nicely in all other programs. Any ideas on what could be wrong? |
| 23:21.42 | h3sp4wn | epp_: Not right now (I urgently need to find something) |
| 23:22.45 | epp_ | h3sp4wn: well do you have msn? |
| 23:24.18 | h3sp4wn | epp_: No |
| 23:25.47 | sudo_maddash | sussudio: what's wrong with dpkg? |
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| 23:29.12 | thomsen | hi all... short question: i use etch with postfix/courier... i got have got an mail recieved ( allready in the incomming directory ) and want to forward it. how can i do this via shell ? |
| 23:29.26 | spheard | does kpkg automatically compile the modules into the deb pakage? (make modules_install) |
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| 23:31.24 | epp_ | whats the package name for glibc? |
| 23:31.49 | avtobiff | aptitude search glibc maybe says something? |
| 23:31.59 | avtobiff | p libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 - The GNU stdc++ library |
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| 23:32.02 | avtobiff | i would say that one |
| 23:32.09 | epp_ | thank |
| 23:32.11 | epp_ | s |
| 23:32.38 | epp_ | it needs 2.4.... |
| 23:33.54 | h3sp4wn | epp_: Is it based on etch what you are using or have you upgraded it to etch ? |
| 23:35.24 | amphi | epp_: what does? |
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| 23:36.40 | epp_ | amphi: mangos |
| 23:36.53 | amphi | epp_: pardon? |
| 23:37.03 | epp_ | amphi: its a world of warcraft emulator |
| 23:37.11 | h3sp4wn | epp_: No debian version has glibc 2.4 |
| 23:37.18 | amphi | oh, of course ;) |
| 23:37.33 | epp_ | h3sp4wn: so what am i to do? |
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| 23:37.50 | epp_ | h3sp4wn: compile myself? |
| 23:37.53 | h3sp4wn | epp_: You want to run that on an xbox ? |
| 23:38.14 | epp_ | h3sp4wn: yes, its been done, its fine if theres only like 5 users on |
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| 23:38.58 | h3sp4wn | epp_: What glibc does it have at the moment ? |
| 23:39.16 | epp_ | 4.1.1-21 |
| 23:39.40 | h3sp4wn | thats gcc not glibc |
| 23:39.49 | h3sp4wn | glibc == libc6 |
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| 23:40.21 | epp_ | do you want to see my output? |
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| 23:42.21 | rking | epp: pastebin.ca it. |
| 23:42.44 | petemc | epp: you're running WoW through wine/cedega on a xbox ? |
| 23:43.00 | epp | no im not... its native |
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| 23:43.16 | epp | well the server im running is native, i have a client on ym laptop |
| 23:43.24 | MolePrince | Hello. I have a text file I've done in nano which has automatically inserted line-breaks every 79 characters or so, and I'm looking for a way to programatiicaly remove those line-breaks to format it when I upload to use in other text editors. Suggestions please? |
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| 23:43.39 | petemc | epp: where does the xbox fit in? |
| 23:43.39 | avtobiff | MolePrince, sed maybe or perl |
| 23:43.59 | rking | MolePrince: hrmm, let me think |
| 23:44.16 | rking | MolePrince: basically you want to remove any newline not followed by another newline, right? |
| 23:44.21 | epp | petemc: its just an old xbox i installed debian on. |
| 23:44.23 | MolePrince | rking: Precisely! :D |
| 23:44.39 | epp | petemc: and im making it a wow server |
| 23:45.13 | petemc | theres a WoW server for linux? |
| 23:45.47 | epp | yes |
| 23:45.50 | epp | :) |
| 23:45.53 | epp | http://pastebin.ca/503682 |
| 23:46.06 | epp | thats my output, i guess these debs are for ubuntu :S |
| 23:46.18 | h3sp4wn | epp: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 23:46.30 | h3sp4wn | (but use the deb-src line for those deb's) |
| 23:46.51 | petemc | epp: do you have a url? |
| 23:46.58 | epp | for the source? |
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| 23:47.13 | petemc | for anything pertaining to it.. |
| 23:47.15 | magic_pinguim | Hello :) |
| 23:47.21 | petemc | google doesnt seem to |
| 23:47.22 | rking | MolePrince: (still fiddling) |
| 23:47.27 | MolePrince | rking: Appreciate it. :) |
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| 23:47.43 | epp | http://www.mangosproject.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=7730 |
| 23:47.55 | petemc | thanks |
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| 23:48.06 | epp | that guys thats posting has bins too |
| 23:48.14 | abrotman | 404 |
| 23:48.17 | petemc | yz |
| 23:49.06 | h3sp4wn | epp: Just started building an xbox 2.6.16 (with the xbox patch) if there is nothing other than that you need to do I will have deb's in a bit |
| 23:49.58 | petemc | xbmc 4tw |
| 23:50.29 | h3sp4wn | epp: (debian kernel config from 2.6.16 but with that patch added) |
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| 23:53.33 | rking | MolePrince: forgive my delay. a) i'm rusty as heck on regexes, b) my roommate keeps talking to me. |
| 23:53.41 | epp | h3sp4wn: your going to compile it for me? |
| 23:53.54 | MolePrince | rking: No worries, man. I have time. :) |
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| 23:54.18 | h3sp4wn | epp: Its in the process of compiling already (I will upload it somewhere when its done) |
| 23:55.03 | epp | h3sp4wn: but i need to upgrade kernel? |
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| 23:55.29 | h3sp4wn | epp: however its not getting compiled on my fastest machine as its amd64 (and I could read the make-kpkg man page but I would probably mess it up first time not done it before) |
| 23:55.39 | h3sp4wn | epp: I will give you .deb's of it |
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| 23:55.59 | epp | h3sp4wn: its probl faster than a 64mb ram 733mhz machine |
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| 23:56.13 | h3sp4wn | epp: dual p3 - 1.5gb ram |
| 23:56.25 | h3sp4wn | significantly faster yes |
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| 23:58.03 | epp | h3sp4wn: is kernel Xebian Kernel 2.6.16.20 (latest) ok? |
| 23:58.24 | h3sp4wn | epp: Do you already have that ? |
| 23:58.49 | epp | im instyalling htat |
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| 23:59.23 | rking | MolePrince: Ok, this has some hackishness to it, but here's what I have: perl -ne '$a .= $_; END { $a =~ s/\n(?!\n)//gs; $a =~ s/\n/\n\n/g; print $a }' |
