| 00:00.24 | MolePrince | rking: Fantastic, thanks! I can just pipe the file through there and output it then? |
| 00:00.25 | h3sp4wn | epp: Just use that then |
| 00:00.54 | rking | that first regex basically says, "Remove any \n not followed by another \n", but the problem is that in the \n\n's we want to keep, the second is not followed by a \n. So basically, you end up where you have to have that second regex to double the \n's that survive the first. |
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| 00:02.00 | rking | MolePrince: Yep. Remember you can't do `some_process < x > x`, because the >x will blank the file, leaving with nothing for input |
| 00:02.02 | h3sp4wn | epp: (Seems like it won't build with a debian config of 2.6.16.51) If you want newer then send me the /boot/config-* for that kernel |
| 00:02.12 | rking | besides i wouldn't trust my regex with your data... so play it safe. =) |
| 00:02.14 | rking | gotta go. |
| 00:02.19 | MolePrince | rking: Thanks again. :) |
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| 00:04.15 | sleephood | What is the boot option to disable DMA during install? 'install nodma' doesn't seem to be working. |
| 00:04.27 | wide-eye | what is the tool i can use to add lvm to the initrd? |
| 00:04.30 | epp | h3sp4wn: how would i do that? |
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| 00:04.57 | h3sp4wn | epp: Just install that 2.6.16 and see if it works |
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| 00:05.06 | epp | h3sp4wn: k |
| 00:05.26 | h3sp4wn | epp: If it works there is probably very little to be gained from using a newer version |
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| 00:07.46 | FuzzplugJones | trying to put etch on a machine with an addon ide controller in addition to the onboard. during install it sees the onboard first, so I install to /dev/hda, but when it boots the first time it sees the addon first and hda is now hde... i googled and found the "ide=reverse" thing in /boot/grub/menu.lst but it doesn't work... what am i doing wrong? |
| 00:07.49 | kath`` | Is there some stress test with disk IO and cpu work involved I could run overnight to test new kernel stability? |
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| 00:08.54 | amphi | kath``: mprime in torture mode is good for pounding ram, cpu and fpu |
| 00:08.56 | epp | h3sp4wn: its giving me an error |
| 00:08.58 | epp | e encountered while processing: kernel-image-2.6.16.19_coresec.2.6.16.19_i386.deb |
| 00:09.02 | epp | xebian:/home/evan# |
| 00:09.02 | abrotman | kath``: apt-cache search ? |
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| 00:10.57 | h3sp4wn | epp: put the full error to a pastebin |
| 00:11.04 | kath`` | amphi, I'll take a look, thanks |
| 00:11.29 | epp | h3sp4wn: how do i check what kernel i have now? |
| 00:11.45 | kath`` | epp; uname -a |
| 00:11.52 | kath`` | -r even |
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| 00:15.04 | Southern | anyone using an exteral usb card and 5.1 speakers could lend me his .asoundrc ??? Theat would be awesome, thanks on forehand!! |
| 00:15.38 | epp | h3sp4wn: im having troubles getting this to work |
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| 00:17.34 | h3sp4wn | epp: You didn't provide what I asked |
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| 00:18.08 | sleephood | What is the boot option to disable DMA during install? 'install |
| 00:18.08 | sleephood | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:18.53 | epp | xebian:/home/evan# sudo dpkg -i kernel-image-2.6.16.19_coresec.2.6.16.19_i386.deb |
| 00:18.57 | epp | dpkg: error processing kernel-image-2.6.16.19_coresec.2.6.16.19_i386.deb (--install): cannot access archive: No such file or directory |
| 00:19.00 | epp | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 00:19.02 | epp | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:19.03 | epp | my bad |
| 00:19.20 | epp | http://pastebin.ca/503736 |
| 00:19.30 | epp | thats the output |
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| 00:19.49 | Daveman | abrotman :) |
| 00:19.58 | abrotman | hi! |
| 00:20.34 | lepton | epp: is the .deb file there? did you use tab to complete the filename? |
| 00:21.14 | epp | ah i just copied the code off the site, i guess it was outdated |
| 00:22.42 | epp | i dont know wheter i should install a mbr? |
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| 00:24.20 | DawnLight | i'm buying an AMD64 system. i've just went through the debian wiki page about this and i want to make sure i got it straight. the repos contain different binaries for the different architectures? |
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| 00:27.07 | abrotman | DawnLight: yes |
| 00:27.36 | edog | epp new kernel? it's autoinstall into grub |
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| 00:28.58 | DawnLight | hi abrotman. where does apt-get know my architecture from? |
| 00:29.13 | abrotman | dpkg-architecture |
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| 00:29.19 | abrotman | (just a guess) |
| 00:29.46 | epp | i think i got it, rebooting now |
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| 00:31.12 | epp | ls |
| 00:31.15 | epp | cd .. |
| 00:31.17 | epp | ls |
| 00:31.28 | epp | dang... wrong window... |
| 00:31.31 | DawnLight | wrong window epp |
| 00:31.31 | epp | :P |
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| 00:32.27 | DawnLight | i can't seem to find the list of packages that ship in the install ISOs |
| 00:32.43 | abrotman | which install ISOs ? |
| 00:32.52 | DawnLight | debian ones |
| 00:33.01 | abrotman | netinst or the CD/DVD images ? |
| 00:33.43 | epp | i got some troubles |
| 00:33.46 | epp | http://pastebin.ca/503748 |
| 00:33.49 | epp | theres my output |
| 00:34.11 | epp | im trying to upgrade the kernel with this guide. http://xbox.coresec.de/ |
| 00:34.41 | Nemes | May I ask which video card mark would you suggest? (I'm not very familiar with free drivers and so on) |
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| 00:34.54 | epp | i have installed the packages, and edited modules, what should i do to linux boot to make it boot the new kernel |
| 00:35.05 | abrotman | Nemes: intel if you can (and you're not a gaming addict) |
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| 00:35.31 | DawnLight | abrotman: netinst |
| 00:35.48 | abrotman | i guess AMD is saying they'll have open drivers at some point .. some time .. maybe 57 years from now |
| 00:35.51 | epp | Nemes: I have run Ati/Nvidia, both were flawless |
| 00:35.58 | abrotman | epp: and not Free |
| 00:36.12 | abrotman | DawnLight: mount the ISO and look ? |
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| 00:37.16 | epp | so about my kernel issue, what now? |
| 00:37.22 | DawnLight | thats nice, abrotman. i tend to scratch using the wrong hand sometime |
| 00:37.24 | Nemes | abrotman, epp: tranks. |
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| 00:37.37 | abrotman | DawnLight: ? |
| 00:37.52 | abrotman | that must be a funny hebrew saying my grandparents never taught me :) |
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| 00:38.01 | DawnLight | epp: did you use kernel-package? |
| 00:38.04 | abrotman | psychonate: you're broken? |
| 00:38.09 | epp | DawnLight: no |
| 00:38.30 | DawnLight | !tell epp about kernel-package |
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| 00:38.39 | DawnLight | did it work? |
| 00:38.53 | epp | i jsut did something daring, i hop ei didnt mess anyhting up |
| 00:39.41 | yaboo | trying to install mysql-server under testing and it just hangs |
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| 00:40.35 | DawnLight | epp: kernel package automates the integration of kernels (like the one you've built) into your debian system. it makes a package (.deb) out of the kernel and when you install the package, everything works like magick |
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| 00:40.52 | yaboo | any reason why |
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| 00:41.11 | epp | DawnLight: i dled a kernel somone built on an xbox |
| 00:41.15 | epp | ran the deb |
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| 00:41.54 | epp | changed /boot/linuxboot.cfg to run vmlinuz-2.6.20 |
| 00:41.56 | epp | or something |
| 00:42.01 | epp | and i think it failed... |
| 00:42.01 | DawnLight | why did you download a kernel someone built on an xbox? |
| 00:42.14 | epp | DawnLight: because im on a xbox |
| 00:42.20 | epp | thats wehre im sshing into |
| 00:43.19 | DawnLight | okay, you are sshd into an xbox which is running debian? |
| 00:43.27 | epp | now i have a kernel panik, something about no black 0,0 |
| 00:43.29 | epp | block* |
| 00:43.36 | epp | DawnLight: exactly |
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| 00:44.27 | DawnLight | sounds fun. i don't know what the architecture of xbox is. is there a debian kernel that works on it? |
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| 00:45.05 | abrotman | epp: what does this have to do with Debian again ? |
| 00:45.06 | epp | xbox-linux.org |
| 00:45.15 | spheard | anyone know where I can find out what CONFIG_SBUS s in the kernel config? |
| 00:45.15 | epp | abrotman: im running debian... |
| 00:45.21 | abrotman | but the xbox isn't |
| 00:45.31 | abrotman | spheard: you mean .. what it means ? |
| 00:45.53 | epp | abrotman: well a computer isnt debian wither |
| 00:45.58 | yaboo | whats the make command to make a generic kernel? |
| 00:45.58 | epp | either* |
| 00:45.59 | rgsteele_home | spheard: Try hitting the '/' key and typing in SBUS |
| 00:45.59 | spheard | yeh, like a kernel config schema |
| 00:46.07 | DawnLight | epp: how was debian installed on the xbox? |
| 00:46.10 | abrotman | epp: that's nice |
| 00:46.17 | rgsteele_home | spheard: After doing a make menuconfig |
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| 00:46.45 | epp | DawnLight: i have a new cromwell bios flashed to my TSOP, that lets me boot linux |
| 00:46.48 | rgsteele_home | spheard: You can also hit '?' to get more info, iirc. |
| 00:46.59 | BUMBACL0T | abrotman, heard about the new nvidia driver? |
| 00:47.01 | rgsteele_home | (Again, from the 'make menuconfig' screen) |
| 00:47.07 | spheard | !SBUS |
| 00:47.09 | abrotman | BUMBACL0T: the one that still isn't free ? |
| 00:47.18 | abrotman | spheard: ask #kernel or look in the Documentation folder |
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| 00:47.53 | BUMBACL0T | abrotman, NVIDIA 100.14.06 Linux Driver Released (Linux/Unix) - http://digg.com/linux_unix/NVIDIA_100_14_06_Linux_Driver_Released |
| 00:47.57 | abrotman | and what ? |
| 00:48.03 | BUMBACL0T | im asking you |
| 00:48.25 | abrotman | i don't touch *anything* nvidia |
| 00:48.26 | DawnLight | epp: how many kernels does grub show you? |
| 00:48.55 | DawnLight | abrotman: what that about nvidia? i'm considering purchasing one |
| 00:49.09 | abrotman | i'd rather not use their drivers |
| 00:50.35 | spheard | rgsteele_home: it doesnt appear in make menuconfig, I removed it from the .config cause it was causing the compile to fail. |
| 00:51.20 | DawnLight | i don't know which graphics card to buy. i just want it to run beryl with some filters. nothing too fancy |
| 00:51.46 | rgsteele_home | spheard: Why didn't you just disable it? |
| 00:51.57 | rgsteele_home | i.e., not compiled in and not as a module? |
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| 00:52.47 | spheard | rgsteele_home I did, and the kernel didnt boot |
| 00:52.47 | spheard | :-( |
| 00:52.47 | abrotman | maybe you should ask #kernel ? |
| 00:52.48 | DawnLight | isn't disabling something in the menuconfig removes all traces of it from the compilation? |
| 00:53.08 | rgsteele_home | spheard: Well, without more information, I have no way of knowing. You could have something else in there that conflicts with it maybe. I think abrotman is right; show the output of the boot to #kernel. |
| 00:53.19 | tvynr | DawnLight: nVidia's hardware is good stuff and runs nicely in Linux in my experience. Their drivers are a bit crappy, but not as bad as ATI IMHO. If you need honest 3D accel, you have to use them. If you just want 2D accel, you can stick with the open source nv driver. |
| 00:53.26 | rgsteele_home | I'm awayish for a bit, anyways |
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| 00:54.04 | epp | K im rescuing my xbox with a live cd |
| 00:54.05 | spheard | no boot, just died right after lilo :-( ill have an ask in #kernel cheers |
| 00:54.15 | spheard | join #kernel |
| 00:54.20 | DawnLight | thanks tvynr |
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| 00:54.40 | h3sp4wn | DawnLight: You can use intel or ati <X1000 |
| 00:54.42 | DawnLight | don't intel have some graphics cards with open source drivers? i've heard something |
| 00:54.43 | tvynr | DawnLight: My pleasure. |
| 00:54.58 | h3sp4wn | DawnLight: intel is only onboard graphics at the moment |
| 00:55.04 | BUMBACL0T | abrotman is so 1337 he writes his own kernel. |
| 00:55.10 | epp | h3sp4wn: im in a live cd... because i caused a kernel panic |
| 00:55.11 | tvynr | DawnLight: Not up to date on Intel's stuff. AFAIK, they only do onboard and I tend not to get along so well with that. |
| 00:55.16 | abrotman | BUMBACL0T: what did i do to you? |
| 00:55.24 | epp | h3sp4wn: how do i get to my hds files? |
| 00:55.25 | Nemes | What does "1337"? |
| 00:55.28 | h3sp4wn | epp: How why ? |
| 00:55.37 | abrotman | Nemes: it's something idiots use when trying to act cool |
| 00:55.40 | Nemes | *mean*? |
| 00:55.57 | epp | h3sp4wn: how do i mount my HD? |
| 00:56.06 | tvynr | Nemes: 1337 is leet-speak for "leet". Which in and of itself is a truncation of the word "elite." |
| 00:56.06 | h3sp4wn | epp: ? |
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| 00:56.23 | tvynr | Well... truncation/mutilation, as it were. |
| 00:56.28 | gpm | truncation? |
| 00:56.35 | epp | h3sp4wn: im on a live cd... I need to get into my HDs /boot folder to fix it. How do i mount it? |
| 00:56.36 | amphi | !1337 |
| 00:56.43 | tvynr | gpm: I was thinking in terms of syllables and not in terms of characters. |
| 00:56.52 | gpm | tvynr: ok, i'll let it slide...this time |
| 00:56.57 | tvynr | gpm: hehe |
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| 00:57.13 | Nemes | Thanks, abrotman / tvynr |
| 00:57.18 | h3sp4wn | epp: depends what the partition is - just use mount /dev/hda? /mnt or whatever |
| 00:57.22 | gpm | epp: depends on a number of things: the device name, the filesystem... |
| 00:57.29 | DawnLight | epp: how many kernels does grub show? |
| 00:57.37 | gpm | man mount will help, but if you're short on time, you need to give us more info |
| 00:57.41 | epp | its fatx... i saw it earlier its reall ylong |
| 00:57.44 | abrotman | epp: doesn't xbox-linux have their own support ? |
| 00:57.52 | h3sp4wn | epp: Why are you using fatx |
| 00:58.00 | gpm | oh |
| 00:58.00 | epp | h3sp4wn: thats what the xbox uses |
| 00:58.07 | h3sp4wn | epp: use ext3 |
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| 00:58.11 | epp | h3sp4wn: well mayube im not |
| 00:58.16 | wols | epp: ,am mounr |
| 00:58.18 | killown | somebody knows a program that executes videos of dvd stores part of this video in the memoria and leaves drive of dvd in rest? |
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| 00:58.20 | gpm | does xbox fall under any of debian's official ports? |
| 00:58.21 | h3sp4wn | epp: It can use ext3 |
| 00:58.34 | abrotman | gpm: no |
| 00:58.34 | wols | *man |
| 00:58.40 | epp | h3sp4wn: well i need to fix this before i can do anyhting |
| 00:58.59 | abrotman | gpm: other than being PPC IIRC |
| 00:59.15 | wols | killown: no. vrey few dvd players have 40GB+ RAM |
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| 00:59.18 | h3sp4wn | epp: I won't (and cannot) support fatx I was under the impression you was using debian just with another kernel |
| 00:59.22 | abrotman | gpm: but you can't run it without modifying the hardware .. and possibly violating laws in your area |
| 00:59.24 | gonzaloaf_work | hi, is there a command to save the rules of iptables? not iptables-save, I dont want to save them in a file, I want to save the current rules in order to have them everytime that I reboot |
| 00:59.36 | killown | wols vrey? |
| 00:59.37 | epp | h3sp4wn: im not sure t is |
| 00:59.42 | wols | *very |
| 00:59.43 | abrotman | epp: perhaps you sohuld try #linux |
| 00:59.46 | gpm | abrotman: oh...so...what's the point? |
| 00:59.47 | reiser2 | how can i configure ftp server to allow users to put |
| 00:59.49 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: Its x86 the original xbox |
| 01:00.02 | petemc | gpm: its cheap, readily available hardware |
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| 01:00.02 | abrotman | ah ... |
| 01:00.06 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: same problem |
| 01:00.17 | abrotman | reiser2: put what ? |
| 01:00.19 | killown | wols dvdidle for windows works fine |
| 01:00.22 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: still not debian |
| 01:00.25 | reiser2 | put, mput |
| 01:00.26 | killown | I want for linux |
| 01:00.26 | irule | how can I share a printer over the network? |
| 01:00.28 | reiser2 | files |
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| 01:00.41 | gpm | petemc: is it that much cheaper than building your own pc with the same specs? |
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| 01:00.45 | amphi | killown: what do you mean? |
| 01:00.51 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: Is debian with another kernel not debian ? |
| 01:00.53 | gpm | I want linux too |
| 01:01.01 | gpm | h3sp4wn: how poetic |
| 01:01.04 | killown | execute videos of dvd stores part of this video in the memory and leaves drive of dvd in rest? |
| 01:01.20 | amphi | killown: wtf does that mean? |
| 01:01.22 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: there are ports .. this isn't one of them AFAIK |
| 01:01.25 | killown | amphi you know dvdidle? |
| 01:01.31 | petemc | gpm: it was, for a long time - also, thats not entirely the point |
| 01:01.31 | amphi | irule: no |
| 01:01.32 | killown | search in google "dvdidle |
| 01:01.41 | killown | I want this program for linux |
| 01:01.45 | epp | h3sp4wn: what shoul di do to fix this? |
| 01:01.46 | gpm | petemc: the other part of the point is to be 1337 right? |
| 01:01.50 | amphi | killown: I don't give a crap about dvdidle |
| 01:01.53 | Nemes | It is possible to ping behind a proxy? |
| 01:02.00 | epp | h3sp4wn: any way to see what my HD is? |
| 01:02.01 | irule | amphi no what? |
| 01:02.01 | petemc | gpm: you got it one |
| 01:02.05 | abrotman | the proxy doesn't have anything to do with it |
| 01:02.06 | killown | amphi, then shut up |
| 01:02.40 | h3sp4wn | epp: No clue I know nothing about fatx |
| 01:02.41 | wols | irule: cups or samba |
| 01:02.41 | amphi | killown: I can't suggest anything if I can't understand what you mean |
| 01:02.41 | wols | amphi: a cache for DVDs |
| 01:02.41 | epp | h3sp4wn: bummer |
| 01:02.41 | petemc | erm, in one |
| 01:02.42 | amphi | killown: but you can fuck off in any case |
| 01:02.50 | abrotman | amphi: he wants to cache the whole DVD in RAM and let hte drive spin down |
| 01:02.52 | wols | it reads in (part) of the DVD onto disk or ramdisk and plays it from there |
| 01:03.05 | amphi | abrotman: he does? brilliant |
| 01:03.16 | epp | cd /dev |
| 01:03.16 | epp | ls |
| 01:03.18 | abrotman | amphi: he's got money .. a whole lot of spending money ... |
| 01:03.27 | petemc | its gonna take time |
| 01:03.29 | abrotman | epp: do you ahve a Debian question ? |
| 01:03.32 | abrotman | petemc: BED! |
| 01:03.34 | amphi | wols: like mplayer -cache some_large_number ? |
| 01:03.36 | petemc | :) |
| 01:03.42 | epp | abrotman: yes |
| 01:03.46 | abrotman | amphi: 4.7GB ? |
| 01:03.47 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: If I debootstrap Debian onto some random hardware - and use a custom kernel (to support the hardware) does it then cease to be Debian |
| 01:03.50 | abrotman | epp: which is ? |
| 01:03.54 | gpm | lol |
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| 01:04.02 | gpm | poor petemc |
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| 01:04.05 | wols | amphi: I guess |
| 01:04.07 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: he's not using Debian |
| 01:04.10 | amphi | abrotman: a nice long time watching 'filling cache...' |
| 01:04.12 | epp | abrotman: h3sp4wn was building some packages for me, and i wnted to upgrade the kernel |
| 01:04.33 | abrotman | amphi: well .. it might not be too bad |
| 01:04.41 | h3sp4wn | epp: I was building you the debian 2.6.16 with the debian kernel config |
| 01:04.45 | h3sp4wn | epp: and that patch |
| 01:04.55 | killown | DVD Idle makes DVD drive keeping cool and quiet. The DVD's playback is continuous at the same time I want it for linux... |
| 01:05.06 | abrotman | killown: so write it |
| 01:05.08 | wols | killown: you got a suggestion |
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| 01:05.15 | abrotman | he got two! |
| 01:05.25 | h3sp4wn | epp: as you are using fatx it would be useless to you - I was the of the misinformed opinion that xebian was identical to Debian other than a different kernel |
| 01:05.29 | wols | abrotman: we both know that yours is outside of his means |
| 01:05.29 | killown | abrotman, write? i dont know |
| 01:05.35 | gpm | abrotman: nice |
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| 01:05.46 | abrotman | wols: lies! |
| 01:05.50 | epp | h3sp4wn: i think im on ext3 |
| 01:05.56 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:06.04 | epp | only is it fatx when you dont do a native install |
| 01:06.09 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: you're not going to win! |
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| 01:06.41 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: I am not going to do anything more about it |
| 01:06.54 | h3sp4wn | (I am going to sleep within 5 mins) |
| 01:06.57 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 01:08.25 | epp | no it is ext2 |
| 01:08.28 | epp | 3* |
| 01:08.31 | epp | im reading right now |
| 01:09.03 | abrotman | still not debian |
| 01:09.09 | epp | yes it is... |
| 01:09.23 | wols | epp: we lmpw netter- trist is |
| 01:09.27 | epp | its debian, with a kernel that supports the xpad |
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| 01:09.40 | abrotman | epp: NO .. it is not |
| 01:09.46 | wols | epp: nesodes_ ypi cam compile your own kernel, since you right now have a PC running |
| 01:09.47 | epp | abrotman: want to bet |
| 01:09.50 | abrotman | http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/Xebian_HOWTO#Xebian_versus_a_standard_Debian_installation |
| 01:09.52 | abrotman | yes .. i'll bet |
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| 01:10.11 | wols | epp: something is debian if it'S actually called debian. is it called debian, yes or no? |
| 01:10.26 | wols | knoppix uses debian packages, it is not debian. kanotix uses dis packages, it is not debian, etc |
| 01:10.32 | epp | http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/Download#Xebian_.28aka_Ed.27s_Debian.29 |
| 01:10.40 | abrotman | still not debian |
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| 01:10.51 | epp | all thats changed is for it to support the xboxes needs |
| 01:11.23 | gpm | Based on Debian stable (Sarge) with backports for newer software. |
| 01:12.08 | epp | wols, yes its called eds debian |
| 01:12.21 | epp | xdebian xebian |
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| 01:12.23 | abrotman | it is NOT debian |
| 01:12.29 | epp | whatever you want to call it |
| 01:12.30 | gpm | _Based_ on Debian stable (Sarge) with backports for newer software. |
| 01:12.34 | abrotman | no matter how badly you want it to be .. it's not debian .. try ##linux |
| 01:12.41 | wols | I can bring out wols' debian or Klaus Knopper brought out Knoppers debian, that doesn't make it debian |
| 01:13.13 | gpm | what about ian's debian? |
| 01:13.22 | epp | you guys are my best chance for help... what am i suppoed to run gentoo? screw that |
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| 01:13.33 | wols | epp: until you can debian.org convice to host it and accept bug reports for it at bugs.debian.org, it is no debian |
| 01:13.36 | abrotman | epp: xebian has their own support |
| 01:13.55 | epp | abrotman: you think anyone is active on that? |
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| 01:14.13 | abrotman | epp: i don't give a shit .. you're not running Debian |
| 01:14.21 | gpm | nice |
| 01:14.45 | epp | abrotman: so you wont give me help because my kernel is customized? |
| 01:14.52 | abrotman | no .. because your distro isn't debian |
| 01:15.02 | penrod | greetings, where can I download a debian package for the sarge distribution ? |
| 01:15.11 | epp | its a copy of debian with a kernel that supports the xbox |
| 01:15.18 | abrotman | penrod: they're still there .. now known as oldstable |
| 01:15.19 | abrotman | epp: NO |
| 01:15.23 | amphi | epp: how can you own something with as foolish a name as 'xbox' in the first place? ;) |
| 01:15.25 | gpm | epp: no, he won't give you help because he's familiar with the ins and outs of debian, and this channel isn't for trying to figure out other distros ins and outs, it's trying to help people work with DEBIAN's |
| 01:15.26 | epp | and a compiled xbe to run it |
| 01:15.48 | abrotman | penrod: or point your sources at sarge isntead of stable .. or see packages.debian.org and browse oldstable |
| 01:15.50 | penrod | from the main web page ? |
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| 01:16.00 | wols | epp: I already told you that sid and kanotix and probably others use the same packages as debian. doesn't make them debian |
| 01:16.04 | penrod | I have changed the sources.list to sarge |
| 01:16.08 | epp | gpm, the ins and outs are all the same |
| 01:16.08 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/oldstable/ |
| 01:16.17 | wols | and do you really want to argur about if it's debian or not? it won't get you any help here either way |
| 01:16.29 | penrod | I have it, thank you |
| 01:16.30 | dvs | !pal gravity |
| 01:16.36 | gpm | no, they really aren't |
| 01:16.42 | petemc | whats wrong with wanting an xbox? |
| 01:16.46 | gpm | even between debian and ubuntu, there are big changes |
| 01:16.49 | epp | gpm: name one thing thats different. |
| 01:16.52 | killown | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:16.53 | wols | petemc: nothing. as long as you get it cheap |
| 01:16.55 | abrotman | epp: the kernel |
| 01:16.57 | abrotman | the installer |
| 01:16.59 | dvs | petermc: It's born from evil. ;-) |
| 01:17.02 | abrotman | the X config |
| 01:17.02 | gpm | epp: well it uses backports from god knows where |
| 01:17.05 | wols | could make a good mythtv frontend for example |
| 01:17.07 | abrotman | the framebuffer |
| 01:17.07 | gpm | and an unsupported kernel |
| 01:17.11 | abrotman | extra tools |
| 01:17.14 | abrotman | is that enough ? |
| 01:17.15 | gpm | as abrotman mentions |
| 01:17.20 | abrotman | and the bootloader |
| 01:17.21 | DawnLight | epp: you might be better off working at your problem then amusing certain people with arguments about whether something is debian or not |
| 01:17.22 | petemc | it runs myth, but xbmc is better |
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| 01:17.43 | epp | abrotman: so if i compile vanilla kerenel im not running debian anymore? |
| 01:17.44 | wols | petemc: is xbmc a full blown PVR? |
| 01:17.51 | petemc | it is not |
| 01:17.58 | wols | epp: you didn't install from debian media for starters |
| 01:18.01 | abrotman | epp: PAY ATTTENION |
| 01:18.09 | wols | epp: plenty of people here use a non debian kernel under debian |
| 01:18.09 | epp | abrotman: im donw with you |
| 01:18.13 | abrotman | epp: read every fucking line i just wrote .. many things are different |
| 01:18.16 | abrotman | idiot |
| 01:18.21 | epp | abrotman: get of fyour highhorse |
| 01:18.27 | wols | abrotman: be glad. he won't perster you anymore |
| 01:18.41 | abrotman | i have four highhorses |
| 01:18.44 | dvs | abrotman: of the apocholypse? |
| 01:18.48 | wols | abrotman: you're all the riders of apocalypse in one? |
| 01:18.49 | wols | figures |
| 01:18.52 | abrotman | dvs: big saws |
| 01:18.57 | wols | and _you_ complain about bad karma? |
| 01:19.27 | epp | wols, well then screw all those people, theyre not running debian.. the kernel is different |
| 01:19.28 | gpm | people here only deal with offical Debian stuff...if you didn't install from stuff downloaded from debian.org, it's not supported in here |
| 01:19.38 | DawnLight | epp: are you stuck with the mounting thing? |
| 01:19.48 | epp | DawnLight: yeah |
| 01:19.51 | abrotman | no .. he's stuck not running debian |
| 01:20.02 | epp | abrotman: speak when sopken to |
| 01:20.20 | abrotman | !ops epp refuses to find support for his non-Debian distro elsewhere |
| 01:20.31 | wols | !Moron epp |
| 01:20.39 | gpm | nanner nanner neener! |
| 01:20.40 | epp | because your my best bet, noone else knows whats going on |
| 01:20.44 | wols | epp: learn to read before you start exercising your keyboard |
| 01:20.58 | abrotman | bot died |
| 01:20.59 | wols | epp: we don't care. run debian or use another channel for support |
| 01:21.00 | DawnLight | epp/abrotman: there are ignore features in some irc clients, unless you make something out of this |
| 01:21.13 | abrotman | ~ops epp refuses to find support for his non-Debian distro elsewhere |
| 01:21.16 | apt | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: epp refuses to find support for his non-Debian distro elsewhere |
| 01:21.17 | abrotman | oh that's it |
| 01:21.42 | epp | so where do you expect me to get help? |
| 01:21.54 | gravity | Dude, just don't answer his question if you can't help him. He'll go away. |
| 01:21.58 | petemc | forums are a good bet |
| 01:22.04 | epp | what forums? |
| 01:22.07 | gravity | epp: Does the distro (xebian?) have its own irc chan or mailing list or something? |
| 01:22.14 | epp | there are none... only for gentoo xbox |
| 01:22.23 | mentor | Chill out guys |
| 01:22.28 | epp | graviy, no irc |
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| 01:22.39 | petemc | epp: you should use something with an active community |
| 01:22.41 | gravity | epp: Web forum? Email list? |
| 01:22.46 | mentor | Xebina is Debian, with a slightly patched kernel and a modified x driver |
| 01:23.02 | mentor | And no package source of repository |
| 01:23.04 | epp | petemc: there are limited choices for xbox |
| 01:23.12 | purplepenguins | hey |
| 01:23.14 | gravity | (modified X driver?) |
| 01:23.17 | epp | thx mentor |
| 01:23.19 | mentor | And a rubbish installer |
| 01:23.19 | abrotman | mentor: and a different bootloader and different framebuffer |
| 01:23.31 | mentor | patched kernel |
| 01:23.33 | epp | gravity: obviously, its outputing to a tv... |
| 01:23.52 | mentor | gravity: nv driver with xbox changes |
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| 01:24.02 | gravity | Aha |
| 01:24.18 | gravity | Why haven't they submitted the patches to xorg? |
| 01:24.20 | abrotman | epp: i've mentioned you might get help in ##linux numerous times |
| 01:24.24 | epp | abrotman: im not adking you for any x help... |
| 01:24.32 | mentor | The guy who maintains it fell off the face of the planet |
| 01:24.34 | abrotman | epp: you're not asking for Debian help |
| 01:24.45 | mentor | epp: What's the problem |
| 01:24.46 | mentor | ? |
| 01:24.46 | epp | yes i am, because thats the closest thing its to |
| 01:24.59 | abrotman | that doesn't make it debian |
| 01:25.05 | gpm | omfg! |
| 01:25.37 | epp | mentor: well i was totally fine. Then i tried to upgrade the kernel. And i got a kernel panic, now im back on the live-cd, and i want to mount my HDD to be able to fix it |
| 01:26.02 | mentor | good. |
| 01:26.18 | gpm | nice |
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| 01:26.43 | epp | i thought i was fatx, but thats only if you do a loopback file. Im running on ext3 |
| 01:27.28 | mentor | ok. |
| 01:27.44 | epp | any ideas on how i mount my HDD? |
| 01:27.52 | mentor | epp: man mount |
| 01:28.20 | gpm | fdisk/cfdisk might tell you your fs |
| 01:28.21 | gpm | that's what you're having trouble figuring out, right? |
| 01:28.26 | gpm | you know the device and everything? |
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| 01:28.37 | DawnLight | epp: if you are using knoppix then there's GUI |
| 01:28.38 | epp | fdisk says dev/hda |
| 01:28.52 | gpm | ok, but i know at least with cfdisk |
| 01:28.54 | abrotman | DawnLight: he's not using Knoppix or Debian |
| 01:28.55 | gpm | it says the fs too |
| 01:29.02 | epp | DawnLight: i have a gui with this, it runs fluxbox. |
| 01:29.05 | gpm | in addition to the device name |
| 01:29.06 | mentor | abrotman: Do please be quiet. |
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| 01:29.20 | abrotman | wait .. he's OT .. and i'm in trouble? |
| 01:29.40 | mentor | abrotman: yes, because we're having a constructive conversation, and you're not. |
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| 01:29.47 | abrotman | mentor: you could msg him |
| 01:29.55 | mentor | I could indeed. |
| 01:30.11 | mentor | abrotman: You would still be being unconstrcutive though |
| 01:30.17 | epp | abrotman: this is what opensource is all about. |
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| 01:30.34 | gpm | oi |
| 01:30.37 | abrotman | mentor: and he's still OT.. |
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| 01:30.55 | DawnLight | epp: try and see if you have a GUI thing for mounting. in knoppix you have the devices on the desktop and you can right click. perhaps its similar |
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| 01:31.11 | epp | Should i jsut quicky Reinstall? |
| 01:31.19 | mentor | Yes, if it gets to the point where he's asking how to reflash cromwell |
| 01:31.23 | mentor | it's OT |
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| 01:31.35 | gpm | epp: you could..but it'd be good to know what your fs is |
| 01:31.38 | mentor | But I think we can cope with getting him to mount a hard drive. |
| 01:31.42 | gpm | you should be able to figure it out |
| 01:31.49 | epp | gpm, hold on... ill show u |
| 01:31.54 | mentor | epp: What exactly are you doing to mount oyur hard drive? |
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| 01:33.29 | epp | With this tool you can prepare a harddisk for the use with linux. It creates a swap partiton with the givien size, takes the restspace behind the swap and makes an ext3 partition for using as a rootfilesystem. |
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| 01:34.23 | gpm | so...it's ext3? |
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| 01:34.34 | epp | i havent really tried, i have been defending myself trying to get help |
| 01:34.40 | DavidProck1981 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGqZaKmcRWQ |
| 01:34.40 | gpm | mount -t ext3 /dev/[whatever] ? |
| 01:34.43 | epp | gpm: yes its ext3 |
| 01:34.47 | gpm | ok |
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| 01:34.52 | mentor | epp: Open a terminal, and run 'man mount' |
| 01:35.01 | gpm | mount -t ext3 /dev/[whatever] /path/to/mountpoint |
| 01:35.07 | gpm | and man mount too |
| 01:35.09 | gpm | you might learn |
| 01:35.18 | gpm | something useful |
| 01:35.18 | mentor | yay for documentation |
| 01:35.23 | epp | i know how to mount |
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| 01:35.28 | dvs | bah |
| 01:35.31 | gpm | ok |
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| 01:35.36 | gpm | so...what's the problem? |
| 01:35.36 | mentor | epp: Oh, and be careful upgrading packages on Xebian. It doesn't really work |
| 01:35.40 | epp | i just dont know which is my hd |
| 01:35.47 | gpm | ooooh |
| 01:35.51 | gpm | dmesg could help |
| 01:35.53 | gpm | right? |
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| 01:36.09 | amphi | epp: or file -s |
| 01:36.19 | abrotman | asg: did you get a new cable modem ? |
| 01:36.42 | asg | abrotman: no, been to busy to deal with them. I'm on vacy next week so I'll give 'em a yell on Friday. |
| 01:36.47 | asg | *too |
| 01:36.51 | epp | hda: WDC WD1200JB-00EVA0, ATA DISK drive |
| 01:36.53 | abrotman | asg: it'll only take another week to get it! |
| 01:36.53 | epp | hda: WDC WD1200JB-00EVA0, ATA DISK drive |
| 01:36.58 | epp | sry about hte double |
| 01:37.03 | epp | thats my hd |
| 01:37.04 | gpm | ok |
| 01:37.14 | abrotman | asg: do they have stores you can just drop by and pick a new one up ? |
| 01:37.15 | mentor | epp: You can use fdisk to look at the partition table too |
| 01:37.16 | gpm | so it's /dev/hda[some number], you knew that though right? |
| 01:37.20 | gpm | yeah |
| 01:37.22 | gpm | or cfdisk |
| 01:37.26 | gpm | if you like something easier |
| 01:37.28 | asg | abrotman: no worries, the "we'll be there between 12 and 5" is completely useless. |
| 01:37.35 | abrotman | asg: or does some tech tard have to come to your house and verify the blinkenlights ? |
| 01:37.44 | epp | mount -t ext3 hda1 HD |
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| 01:37.48 | epp | ls |
| 01:37.52 | epp | ick |
| 01:37.55 | epp | :P |
| 01:37.56 | asg | abrotman: no, I could pick one up. I rather enjoy the tech tards coming by for a visit |
| 01:38.02 | gpm | epp: ick what? |
| 01:38.09 | asg | ick is a fish disease |
| 01:38.14 | abrotman | asg: they're fun to watch :) |
| 01:38.16 | gpm | really? |
| 01:38.22 | epp | ick wrong window... lol |
| 01:38.30 | abrotman | asg: "Hey man .. i could do your job with 10 beers in me" :) |
| 01:38.38 | abrotman | eh .. maybe 20! |
| 01:38.46 | gpm | you might be dead |
| 01:38.50 | gpm | but you could join the geek squad |
| 01:38.57 | karsten | What's the trick to run an executable w/o executable privs? /lib/ld.2.5.so <file> ? |
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| 01:39.13 | mentor | karsten: That's one of them |
| 01:39.18 | asg | karsten: basically |
| 01:39.24 | gpm | shweet! |
| 01:39.25 | epp | mounted!!!! |
| 01:39.28 | epp | thank gods |
| 01:39.32 | mentor | !ep |
| 01:39.42 | asg | abrotman: sounds like newbie sex to me |
| 01:39.44 | gpm | dpkg is dead |
| 01:39.53 | gpm | sex? |
| 01:39.53 | mentor | meh |
| 01:40.01 | gpm | nice |
| 01:40.07 | asg | ~test |
| 01:40.23 | apt | Test Failed! |
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| 01:40.24 | nemrak | hello |
| 01:40.24 | gpm | ~hi |
| 01:40.26 | apt | hello, gpm |
| 01:40.26 | abrotman | asg: there but slow |
| 01:40.27 | asg | abrotman: yeah, and schitzo |
| 01:40.27 | abrotman | aptitude: kp |
| 01:40.27 | aptitude | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
| 01:40.27 | nemrak | does anyone know how to set a devices IP address using its known mac address? |
| 01:40.38 | karsten | sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/ram0 bs=1M count=4; sudo /sbin/mke2fs /dev/ram0; sudo mkdir /mnt/misc1; sudo mount -t ext2 -o noexec /dev/ram0 /mnt/misc1; sudo cp /bin/date /mnt/misc1; /lib/ld-2.5.so /mnt/misc1/date |
| 01:40.39 | abrotman | oh .. whoops .. wanted ep .. not kp :) |
| 01:40.50 | karsten | Result: /mnt/misc1/date: error while loading shared libraries: /mnt/misc1/date: failed to map segment from shared object: Operation not permitted |
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| 01:40.55 | abrotman | asg: you sure it's not your router ? |
| 01:41.00 | gpm | ~ep |
| 01:41.02 | apt | Stop!!! Using!!!! So!!!!! Much!!!!! Punctuation!!!!!!!!!!! It's ..... Irritating ..... As ..... All .... Hell!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 01:41.06 | abrotman | asg: do you know anyone else in your complex that's been complaining ? |
| 01:41.11 | gpm | mature |
| 01:41.12 | gpm | very mature |
| 01:41.18 | mentor | nemrak: er, hwat? |
| 01:41.19 | gpm | epp: so, you're set now? |
| 01:41.23 | epp | yes i think so |
| 01:41.28 | epp | lemme try |
| 01:41.34 | karsten | mentor: asg: ^^ |
| 01:41.37 | asg | abrotman: nobody has complained. However, my router has dick to do with it. It' the cable / sig end, not the router. |
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| 01:41.58 | abrotman | asg: maybe your router is too powerful! |
| 01:41.58 | asg | karsten: do you have permissions to '/lib/ld-2.5.so /mnt/misc1/date'? |
| 01:42.10 | nemrak | mentor, i want to change the ip of a device |
| 01:42.15 | asg | abrotman: not a chance, it's a netgear |
| 01:42.16 | abrotman | dhcp ? |
| 01:42.20 | karsten | asg: I'm pretty sure root does. |
| 01:42.22 | nemrak | mentor, and i know the mac address, but i dont know how to do it, is there some command? |
| 01:42.22 | mentor | nemrak: Define 'device'... |
| 01:42.22 | abrotman | asg: i thought you had a real router ? |
| 01:42.29 | nemrak | mentor, its some network cam |
| 01:42.37 | asg | abrotman: not on this connection |
| 01:42.38 | abrotman | wtf |
| 01:42.39 | karsten | asg: I tried that as sudo /lib/ld-2.5.so /mnt/misc1/date as well |
| 01:42.39 | mentor | nemrak: That's device specific |
| 01:42.45 | asg | karsten: ah, okay. hmmm. |
| 01:42.49 | mentor | karsten: Are you running SELinux? |
| 01:42.59 | nemrak | mentor, i thought there was some general command for that? |
| 01:43.06 | karsten | asg: Anyhow reason I posted the shell snippet was to allow you to check yourself. |
| 01:43.07 | epp | heres the thing. xebian:/media/HD/boot# ls |
| 01:43.07 | epp | System.map config-2.6.16.20 linuxboot.cfg.fatx_f |
| 01:43.07 | epp | System.map-2.4.31-xbox default.xbe linuxboot.cfg.hdd_xbe |
| 01:43.07 | epp | System.map-2.6.11.8 initrd vmlinuz |
| 01:43.07 | epp | System.map-2.6.16.20 initrd.splash.gz vmlinuz-2.4.31-xbox |
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| 01:43.10 | mentor | nemrak: Not on a remote device no. |
| 01:43.10 | karsten | mentor: Nope. |
| 01:43.15 | eldowan | epp and flow... |
| 01:43.19 | gpm | ~tell epp about paste |
| 01:43.21 | karsten | !tell epp__ about paste |
| 01:43.27 | abrotman | karsten: dead |
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| 01:43.33 | mentor | epp__: Please read the channel rules |
| 01:43.35 | karsten | abrotman: ? |
| 01:43.45 | abrotman | asg: no .. i thought you had an actual linux box as your router |
| 01:43.47 | gpm | karsten: dpkg died |
| 01:43.49 | gpm | or something |
| 01:43.53 | epp | sry, ctrl c didnt work... it meant to paste a pastebin.com |
| 01:43.53 | abrotman | karsten: damn it jim .. dpkg is dead |
| 01:43.56 | eldowan | !ping |
| 01:43.57 | karsten | abrotman: Point. |
| 01:44.01 | epp | but i got the info i put into the pastebin |
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| 01:44.14 | epp | http://pastebin.ca/503836 |
| 01:44.16 | karsten | epp: The paste the *link* here. |
| 01:44.18 | epp | thats what i meant ot paste |
| 01:44.19 | dvs | !shut up |
| 01:44.23 | karsten | s/the/then/ |
| 01:44.23 | dpkg | No, I won't, and you can't make me. :P |
| 01:44.28 | abrotman | dpkg: wb |
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| 01:44.31 | dpkg | thanks, abrotman. It's good to be back. |
| 01:44.46 | gpm | epp: what's the problem? |
| 01:44.50 | karsten | !beer dpkg |
| 01:44.55 | gpm | haa |
| 01:44.59 | gpm | screwk that |
| 01:45.04 | gpm | screw that |
| 01:45.06 | gpm | ~beer dpkg |
| 01:45.09 | apt | ACTION pulls out a fine Dogfishhead 90min IPA for dpkg |
| 01:45.09 | abrotman | dogfishhead is good |
| 01:45.10 | gpm | aw |
| 01:45.14 | gpm | yes |
| 01:45.22 | gravity | Somone's an IPA fan |
| 01:45.32 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:45.38 | epp | i changed vmlinu to vmlinuz-2.6.16.20, its in the directory... shouldnt it work? |
| 01:45.40 | gpm | epp: what's the problem? it looks ok. |
| 01:45.46 | gpm | oh |
| 01:45.48 | gpm | it doesn't boot? |
| 01:45.49 | nemrak | mentor, ah its arp |
| 01:45.49 | epp | thats how i got the kernel panic |
| 01:45.53 | nemrak | mentor, arp can do it :] |
| 01:45.54 | gpm | oh |
| 01:45.55 | gpm | ok |
| 01:46.04 | gpm | is it running grub? |
| 01:46.05 | gpm | or lilo? |
| 01:46.08 | mentor | nemrak: Only if the device gets its IP address by RARP |
| 01:46.10 | epp | think the vm 2.6 file is bad? |
| 01:46.16 | gpm | maybe |
| 01:46.17 | epp | pretty sure lilo |
| 01:46.22 | nemrak | mentor, yeah i think it does |
| 01:46.25 | gpm | and it's booting up but you get a panic? |
| 01:46.30 | epp | yes |
| 01:46.32 | gpm | oh |
| 01:46.33 | mentor | karsten: Try using /lib/ld-linux.so.2 |
| 01:46.35 | epp | thats why im on livecd |
| 01:46.38 | gpm | just use the older, working kernel |
| 01:46.41 | epp | kk |
| 01:46.52 | gpm | no point in using a newer version if it doesn't work |
| 01:46.59 | gpm | 'specially with the kernel |
| 01:47.08 | epp | i just wanted the new one, because the packages this guy was compiling were for it. |
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| 01:47.17 | epp | ill jsut compile myself |
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| 01:47.22 | gpm | good luck |
| 01:47.43 | karsten | mentor: /mnt/misc1/date: error while loading shared libraries: /mnt/misc1/date: failed to map segment from shared object: Operation not permitted |
| 01:47.50 | epp | thanks for being so understanding after awhile |
| 01:48.03 | gpm | np |
| 01:48.12 | gpm | i prefer a dark ale |
| 01:48.14 | gpm | or a stout |
| 01:48.24 | karsten | mentor: There's a suggestion here that this hole has been fixed in recent glibcs: http://lwn.net/Articles/191954/ |
| 01:48.31 | gpm | lesse what i get |
| 01:48.33 | gpm | !beer me |
| 01:48.39 | dondelelcaro | they're all good beers, but the 90 min IPA is something else |
| 01:48.49 | gpm | i'll have to try it |
| 01:48.51 | gpm | i don't think i have |
| 01:48.57 | wols_ | dondelelcaro: but, but, they're beers! |
| 01:48.59 | dvs | It ain't no Labatt's Maximum Ice |
| 01:48.59 | mentor | bah |
| 01:49.01 | spldart | Need an idea... install debian on old panasonic toughbook.... can't find the floppy that connects to pc card.... can read and write to hdd using adapter on desktop.... how do i install debian with no floppy or cdrom support? what can I write to the hdd to allow the laptop to boot and start install? |
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| 01:49.46 | mentor | karsten: You'll have to find some other local exploit then. Assuming you can't run arbitary code |
| 01:50.17 | karsten | mentor: I'm testing a bug and whether or not noexec for a filesystem actually ensures noexec. |
| 01:50.18 | gpm | !d-i |
| 01:50.18 | dpkg | Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 01:50.24 | epp | gpm: next problem, by default it runs a DM(fluxbox), how can i make it not boot so i save resources? |
| 01:50.34 | karsten | mentor: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=425481 |
| 01:50.46 | gpm | epp: you want it to not start X? |
| 01:50.51 | epp | gpm: yes |
| 01:50.56 | epp | i dont need it, im sshing in |
| 01:50.59 | mentor | karsten: It generally means that the kernel won't mmap it to a executable region |
| 01:51.09 | gpm | epp: well it's probably starting some service...kdm, gdm or xdm |
| 01:51.14 | gpm | epp: which one? |
| 01:51.18 | mentor | karsten: If you can find some way to run arbitary code, then you can read the file and then run it like that. |
| 01:51.19 | epp | gpm: xdm |
| 01:51.26 | wols_ | !nodm |
| 01:51.27 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
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| 01:51.29 | reiser2 | how can i add users to ftp ? |
| 01:51.39 | reiser2 | so they can log in and write |
| 01:51.46 | gpm | epp: well...on _debian_ you'd do update-rc.d -f xdm remove |
| 01:51.48 | wols_ | reiser2: depends how your ftpd auths its users |
| 01:51.56 | gpm | what wols_ said |
| 01:52.00 | wols_ | if it's system users: make a new accoutn and set /bin/false as shell |
| 01:52.09 | reiser2 | hummm |
| 01:52.09 | gpm | er, what wols_ told dpkg to say |
| 01:52.24 | reiser2 | then? |
| 01:52.30 | wols_ | reiser2: nothing then |
| 01:52.44 | reiser2 | wols: how can i configure |
| 01:52.49 | epp | k i gave hatt try |
| 01:52.50 | reiser2 | i just installed ftpd |
| 01:52.51 | gpm | dondelelcaro: ever tried the 120 min. IPA? |
| 01:53.00 | wols_ | reiser2: cpmfogire what? |
| 01:53.06 | wols_ | *configure |
| 01:53.12 | wols_ | !ftpd |
| 01:53.12 | dpkg | ftpd is, like, the daemon that speaks the FTP protocol. The following choices are available on Debian: ftpd, the *BSD daemon (good, robust piece of software without anything shiny on it), wu-ftpd (a high-performance, multi-homing and anon-only capable daemon that has caused traffic on bugtraq lately), and proftpd which is somewhere in between |
| 01:53.37 | wols_ | reiser2: you don't want ftpd. you want either vsftpd or proftpd or pureftpd |
| 01:53.45 | reiser2 | wols: i just installed ftpd, then i login using one user, but that user can't write |
| 01:53.47 | wols_ | vstfpd is preferred if you can get away with it |
| 01:53.51 | epp | mentor: how do you know so much about debian? |
| 01:53.59 | wols_ | reiser2: you read the docs for your ftpd |
| 01:54.07 | wols_ | and as I said: don#t use ftpd, use vsftpd |
| 01:54.09 | epp | mentor: Xebian* |
| 01:54.09 | mentor | epp: A mispent youth |
| 01:54.14 | gpm | aw, no dogfish in cali |
| 01:54.21 | mentor | epp: We have an XBox media center |
| 01:54.55 | epp | mentor: i wiped XBMC and all my games/emus to install linux |
| 01:55.20 | abrotman | gpm: then how do you get it ? |
| 01:55.26 | abrotman | gpm: and i'm sure you can get some out there soemwhere |
| 01:55.30 | dondelelcaro | gpm: no, unfortunatly; I didn't get the chance while I had access to dogfishhead |
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| 01:55.38 | reiser2 | i just installed vsftpd |
| 01:55.48 | gpm | abrotman: i hope |
| 01:55.53 | gpm | portland's closest |
| 01:55.57 | karsten | OT: Freenode/OFTC article: http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/05/16/2037231 |
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| 01:56.07 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: there isn't a distributor that has it readily available, unfortunatly. |
| 01:56.07 | abrotman | gpm: i can get all kinds of beer from all over the world near my place .. |
| 01:56.09 | wols_ | reiser2: edit /etc/vsftpd.conf then |
| 01:56.10 | gpm | i'm trying to think of a grocery store that would be cool enough to stock it |
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| 01:56.15 | wols_ | reiser2: pretty self explanatory |
| 01:56.20 | reiser2 | ok |
| 01:56.23 | reiser2 | thanks man |
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| 01:57.04 | gpm | abrotman: well, i'd have to find the right liquor store |
| 01:57.08 | wols_ | karsten: so we might soon have irc.debian.org on frenode again? |
| 01:57.09 | gpm | or grocery store |
| 01:57.11 | gpm | or whatever |
| 01:57.12 | abrotman | gpm: or bar ? |
| 01:57.14 | mentor | epp: This was never used as a gaming machine |
| 01:57.22 | epp | mentor: movies? |
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| 01:57.26 | gpm | abrotman: i don't do bars anymore |
| 01:57.28 | abrotman | gpm: i get my non-local beers in different bars in the area .. not in the beer store |
| 01:57.32 | epp | mentor: music? |
| 01:57.38 | mentor | epp: TV, Movies, Music, cheese. |
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| 01:57.43 | mentor | Not so much cheese sadly |
| 01:57.43 | karsten | wols_: Probably a ways off if it happens, but overall I'd say the article's good news. |
| 01:58.15 | epp | mentor: well i tried to stop fluxbox from booting with 03:56 < abrotman> gpm: or bar ? |
| 01:58.21 | epp | wtf... |
| 01:58.40 | gpm | why did they move to oftc again? |
| 01:58.49 | abrotman | !oftc move |
| 01:58.49 | dpkg | [oftc move] irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th 2006 [see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00012.html ] Operators and Bots (see <fact sharing>) will remain on both networks for the foreseeable future; you're welcome to either move to OFTC with i.d.o or stay on Freenode. Questions? Ask in #debian on either network. Want to know why? See http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/04/msg00333.html |
| 01:58.51 | epp | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:59.05 | epp | and fluxbox sitll starts |
| 01:59.14 | wols_ | epp: ls -al /etc/rc2.d/S99* |
| 01:59.19 | reiser2 | wols: once i modified /etc/vsftpd.conf i have to restart vsftpd ? |
| 01:59.20 | wols_ | is xdm there? |
| 01:59.26 | reiser2 | how can i restart it? |
| 01:59.32 | wols_ | reiser2: yes. unless you start it via inetd |
| 01:59.39 | wols_ | reiser2: /etc/init.d/vsftpd restart |
| 02:00.03 | epp | wols_: only login |
| 02:00.17 | gpm | epp: wait, you're actually in front of the xbox right now, right? |
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| 02:00.43 | wols_ | epp: that's another differrence to debian. debian runs the DM and that's it |
| 02:00.43 | gpm | maybe you have gdm or kdm? |
| 02:00.47 | epp | well... im sshing, but i can go into the other room and look at the tv |
| 02:01.00 | wols_ | ssh is enough |
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| 02:01.04 | epp | possibly |
| 02:01.12 | gpm | o/o i'm tired |
| 02:01.25 | wols_ | epp: since this is not a debian way to run things, how can we help? |
| 02:01.54 | epp | ill just figure it out myself. I dont want to bother u with non-debian things |
| 02:02.24 | wols_ | grep -r fluxboy * in ~, /etc and if all else fails / |
| 02:02.31 | wols_ | one of them will find out |
| 02:02.52 | wols_ | grep -r fluxboy * in ~, /etc and if all else fails / |
| 02:02.57 | wols_ | *grr* |
| 02:03.00 | wols_ | grep -r fluxbox * in ~, /etc and if all else fails / |
| 02:05.50 | epp | im trying to install a vnc server, but i get this error |
| 02:05.52 | epp | vnc4server: Depends: libice6 (>= 1:1.0.0) but 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14 is to be installed |
| 02:06.18 | epp | the following packages have unmet depandacies: |
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| 02:12.10 | epp | im going to compile the kernel myself |
| 02:12.36 | morvok | whats ball park power draw for a hd. 12watt? |
| 02:13.20 | dondelelcaro | morvok: depends on the drive; the drive's specs will tell you. |
| 02:13.50 | morvok | a guess? |
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| 02:17.39 | epp | mentor: so ur a moderator? |
| 02:18.52 | karsten | !ur |
| 02:18.53 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old Urdu, a language based on the arabic script spoken like hindi. For debian support in urdu/hindi join #debian-ur. Urdu/punjai/hindi support ke liye #debian-ur mein tashreef le ayen. Shukrya. |
| 02:19.01 | epp | your* |
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| 02:19.14 | epp | :P |
| 02:19.15 | cast_ | you're* |
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| 02:19.22 | cast_ | ;P |
| 02:19.25 | epp | thank you |
| 02:19.52 | epp | so fluxbox is still running.... |
| 02:19.55 | epp | its bull. |
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| 02:20.32 | epp | where are debians startup logs |
| 02:20.43 | epp | i want to see what is runnning on startup |
| 02:21.54 | karsten | epp: /var/log/boot |
| 02:22.03 | epp | i ahve xinti startx, and x-window-manager running... |
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| 02:22.17 | epp | have* init* |
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| 02:22.32 | epp | nano /var/log/boot |
| 02:22.37 | karsten | epp: If you've got bootlogd installed. I think it is by standard. |
| 02:22.42 | karsten | epp: This isn't your shell. |
| 02:23.54 | grendal_prime | do we have beryl in testing? |
| 02:24.01 | epp | i know this... its hard , becuase my ip was silenced for telling people i was running xebian. so im connected to a shell in putty, just like im sshed into my xbox, i get confused |
| 02:24.06 | dondelelcaro | grendal_prime: compiz only, afair. |
| 02:24.07 | karsten | !tell grendal_prime about search |
| 02:24.29 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Projects are merging though, no? |
| 02:24.31 | grendal_prime | dude saw a laptop yesterday running that on ubuntu fkn rocked man |
| 02:24.33 | dondelelcaro | karsten: yes |
| 02:26.02 | grendal_prime | the thing was screaming fast as well. Now it did have a gig of ram in it. my question is ..is beryl actually that much beter of a rendering system? or was it the ram that makes the differnece? |
| 02:26.17 | krazykit | grendal_prime, probably the memory |
| 02:26.18 | dondelelcaro | grendal_prime: it's not that much different from compiz |
| 02:26.31 | grendal_prime | its a fork of compiz |
| 02:26.36 | karsten | grendal_prime: I wouldn't call 1GB a lot of RAM these days. The GPU probably has something to do with it. |
| 02:26.37 | grendal_prime | i do know that |
| 02:26.54 | grendal_prime | this machine runs on 256 |
| 02:27.04 | grendal_prime | it was a laptop..dell 504 i think? |
| 02:27.23 | krazykit | well, a difference in memory like that will make it seem like its screaming. |
| 02:27.33 | grendal_prime | the guy said it was faster than the windows that was on the box.. |
| 02:27.40 | dondelelcaro | that's not difficult |
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| 02:28.05 | krazykit | debian is faster on this laptop than windows is |
| 02:28.16 | epp | any more ideas to get x not to start? |
| 02:28.18 | krazykit | i only have windows because i have stats software that doesn't run in WINE |
| 02:28.19 | grendal_prime | how do i find out if compiz will work on this video ..its intel shared video |
| 02:28.48 | grendal_prime | krazykit: i use qemu for that |
| 02:28.51 | krazykit | epp, you want it to NOT start? disable whatever script starts it up |
| 02:29.10 | epp | krazykit: i stoped xdm, it still starts |
| 02:29.13 | krazykit | grendal_prime, with 512mb of memory? it's not pleasant |
| 02:29.14 | grendal_prime | get rid of the graphical greater epp |
| 02:29.32 | grendal_prime | krazykit: 256 megs of ram |
| 02:29.36 | epp | grendal_prime: there is none |
| 02:29.49 | grendal_prime | and x starts? |
| 02:30.02 | krazykit | grendal_prime, it was painful on vmware, is qemu+kqemu that much better? |
| 02:30.37 | grendal_prime | kqemu rocks...i mean literally the it guys thought i had a windows 2000 nativ box. and im not bsing you on that |
| 02:30.52 | epp | grendal_prime: yes |
| 02:31.14 | grendal_prime | epp it just launches into x...what desktop do you have installed? |
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| 02:31.27 | epp | its a version of debian for xbox |
| 02:31.45 | epp | im sshing into the box. and i dont want x hogging resources |
| 02:31.47 | Student35000 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:31.49 | Student35000 | :p |
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| 02:32.29 | grendal_prime | i find it odd that it was painfull on vmware krazykit |
| 02:32.39 | grendal_prime | you use vmware alot? |
| 02:32.41 | itchi | grendal_prime: Which Intel card? |
| 02:32.45 | epp | wheres the file with all the startup scrips? |
| 02:32.50 | epp | rc.d? |
| 02:32.57 | grendal_prime | its onboard itchi dell 1100 |
| 02:33.04 | grendal_prime | i810 i think |
| 02:33.07 | krazykit | grendal_prime, not anymore. not since i installed win2k on a small partition |
| 02:33.07 | jay2ania | epp: change the default runlevel in /etc/inittab or apt-get remove xdm |
| 02:33.16 | itchi | grendal_prime: I have a 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller, and it work fine with it |
| 02:33.33 | grendal_prime | itchi: just installed the compiz package? |
| 02:33.42 | itchi | grendal_prime: Some time ago, yeah |
| 02:33.59 | grendal_prime | or was there some xorg config witchery envolved |
| 02:34.10 | krazykit | oh no, i don't think kqemu builds on 2.6.21 yet. i hope it does |
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| 02:34.34 | itchi | grendal_prime: Ow, i meaned about beryl heh |
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| 02:34.55 | moqq | how can i check what version of the ntfs drivers my current debian distro has? |
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| 02:35.22 | mynullvoid | hi all |
| 02:35.23 | grendal_prime | krazykit: well im concerned that if it didnt work well on vmware...my understanding is the kqemu is about the same thing performancewise as vmware..now im talking the enterprise eddition |
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| 02:35.31 | moqq | my debian version is 3.1 |
| 02:35.44 | itchi | moqq: dpkg -l packageName |
| 02:35.46 | grendal_prime | and itchi there is a beryl package? |
| 02:35.57 | itchi | grendal_prime: You need to add a repo |
| 02:36.12 | grendal_prime | really...and do you have said repo? |
| 02:36.16 | itchi | grendal_prime: Look on #beryl for the repo and info, it's kinda easy to setup |
| 02:36.34 | epp | jay2ania: do you have vnc? |
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| 02:36.40 | grendal_prime | warping to #beryl |
| 02:36.43 | grendal_prime | thanks man |
| 02:37.18 | jay2ania | no, thought you just meant disable X on startup to save resources. |
| 02:37.20 | itchi | grendal_prime: No probs ;-) |
| 02:37.34 | mynullvoid | I just upgrade my sid box and now my apache2 cannot start: Invalid command 'php_flag', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration |
| 02:37.34 | krazykit | grendal_prime, it's also running on a p4/celeron processor :-( |
| 02:37.38 | epp | jay2ania: that is what i want |
| 02:38.02 | epp | jay2ania: i was hoping u had a vnc client to see it first hand |
| 02:38.09 | DawnLight | i have this wierd thing with jigdo-lite - it only downloads 10 packages out of the almost 5000 that are in the lenny DVD 1 |
| 02:38.26 | jay2ania | no, sorry |
| 02:38.44 | eldowan | epp: what is the end result you are after? |
| 02:39.16 | jay2ania | If you don't use xdm for anything, removing it is a prety safe bet. you can always reinstall it. |
| 02:39.19 | Wyzard | DawnLight: If the jigdo image is out-of-date, maybe the other packages have all been superseded by newer versions so the files needed by jigdo are no longer on the mirrors |
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| 02:40.01 | epp | eldowan: just have a command line i can ssh into |
| 02:40.26 | DawnLight | Wyzard: my bad. thanks anyway |
| 02:40.50 | epp | its not installed... |
| 02:40.58 | mynullvoid | is there any log showing what package was updated / removed with apt-get upgrade? |
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| 02:41.20 | eldowan | epp: do you want the ability to run a GUI locally? If not, remove kde,gnome, and xorg. Though you can just take the s99* entries out of the /etc/rc.# |
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| 02:42.22 | epp | xorg is not installed... |
| 02:42.22 | epp | wtf! |
| 02:42.25 | eldowan | epp: thats just one less thing to have to do then. :D |
| 02:42.59 | epp | eldowan: but its still showing fluxbox... |
| 02:43.04 | epp | with no xorg. |
| 02:43.34 | mynullvoid | Module php4 already disabled <--- how can I enable it? |
| 02:43.34 | eldowan | epp: xfree86? |
| 02:43.38 | eldowan | epp: sorry, haven't been following the conversation... |
| 02:43.38 | epp | eldowan: no thats running |
| 02:44.18 | abrotman | mynullvoid: a2enmod |
| 02:44.37 | eldowan | epp: check /etc/rc#.d for an entry like S99fluxbox |
| 02:45.04 | eldowan | epp: I guess you are on sarge or earlier then, is this correct? |
| 02:45.27 | epp | eldowan: yes sarge |
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| 02:46.07 | krazykit | epp, then it's probably running on the framebuffer |
| 02:46.10 | epp | eldowan: when i try to remove xfree86-common, it installs more things... |
| 02:46.19 | eldowan | epp: sorry, I ask a lot of question. You want no GUI on startup, but want SSH to be an available service at boot. Do you want this box to accept RDMP(is this right?) connection? |
| 02:46.37 | epp | eldowan: yes |
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| 02:46.44 | eldowan | epp: what is the output of apt-get remove xfree86-common? pastebin please. |
| 02:47.32 | epp | http://pastebin.ca/504155 |
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| 02:48.09 | eldowan | epp: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list also please |
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| 02:48.18 | epp | eldowan: can u snag a vnc client real quick to see first hand? |
| 02:48.24 | eldowan | epp: yes |
| 02:48.33 | epp | eldowan: k thx |
| 02:48.44 | eldowan | I've got an active one or two, send me the way, and I'll see if I can help |
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| 02:49.47 | epp | eldowan: u ahve vnc ready? |
| 02:49.49 | eldowan | epp: it looks like it is upgrading you to xorg when you are trying to remove xfree86. This could be because you are pinning, using backports, or possibly using the stable branch. |
| 02:49.51 | eldowan | epp: roger |
| 02:50.08 | abrotman | eldowan: he's also using xebian |
| 02:50.16 | epp | distortedvoice.ath.cx::47592 pass is gentoo |
| 02:50.18 | abrotman | which may or may not be a problem for upgrading X |
| 02:50.23 | eldowan | abrotman: ooh, that might be fun. |
| 02:50.51 | abrotman | yeah .. fun like having an 18wheeler run over your foot :) |
| 02:51.12 | eldowan | abrotman: or like sticking c4 in the commode after burrito night... |
| 02:51.21 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:51.25 | DocPlatypus | yeah |
| 02:51.30 | DocPlatypus | can you say ka-boom |
| 02:51.55 | epp | ka-boom |
| 02:51.59 | epp | do i get a prize? |
| 02:52.02 | eldowan | epp, I see you |
| 02:52.35 | epp | eldowan: do whatever |
| 02:52.40 | eldowan | epp: it seems I have readonly access |
| 02:53.02 | epp | eldowan: there |
| 02:53.43 | mynullvoid | thank you |
| 02:54.11 | samesame | hi guys my friend said that ubuntu is better than debian? |
| 02:54.22 | foo | samesame: uh, take that elseware. |
| 02:54.36 | cat | samesame: debian r0x ubuntu is just a copy of debian, |
| 02:54.39 | foo | samesame: "better" is subjective ... |
| 02:54.43 | cast_ | my friend tries to get me to take steriods :\ |
| 02:54.53 | samesame | did u listen to him? |
| 02:55.06 | Ronin | cast_: so you can pump up debian? |
| 02:56.44 | samesame | what is the next release of debian called? |
| 02:56.44 | samesame | lenny! |
| 02:56.44 | eldowan | epp: if I understand this correctly, when you are finished, you will have no GUI on the machine you are currently on. is this correct, or are we in an ssh session? |
| 02:56.44 | epp | we are in a ssh session |
| 02:56.44 | eldowan | :D |
| 02:56.44 | foo | nyone know any hard drive benching utilies besides bonnie++? The system hung (but was still pingable) with bonnie++ -u 0 after several hours... and I don't know if that means hardware is bad, or bonnie++ broke something else. I'm kind of worried to move it into production because of this. I doubt my disks are going to get hit up 98%+ for a dozen hours ... but still... should I be worried? |
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| 02:56.57 | Ronin | cast_: tell them death is a downer and recks ones entire day |
| 02:57.31 | DawnLight | wow, jigdo is cool |
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| 02:58.22 | cast_ | Ronin: i think i'll opt for big balls small arms than small balls big arms, i suppose its a personal choice |
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| 02:58.41 | Ronin | cast_: indeed |
| 02:59.17 | Ronin | cast_: the big arms can happen without them, mind you not necessarily as big but the boys will be bigger too :) |
| 02:59.40 | samesame | theres a rumour going around saying that software is coded so secure and tight these days that crackers / hackers will be out of jobs soon |
| 02:59.53 | Ronin | samesame: not likely |
| 03:00.02 | Ronin | all we do is build smarter mice |
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| 03:00.53 | samesame | but the smartness will have to come to a end at some point where everybody uses the same tight uncrackable techniques |
| 03:00.53 | nevyn | foo: -u 0 is something your really shouldn't do with bonniie.. |
| 03:00.53 | eldowan | epp: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change the stable entries to sarge. This will help prevent the xorg upgrade. then run the apt-get|aptitude update and try to remove again. |
| 03:01.07 | Ronin | samesame: no such thing as uncrackable and ill bet this years pay there never will be |
| 03:01.28 | cast_ | samesame: that is similar to saying "everything that has been invented has been", we've heard that before |
| 03:01.36 | samesame | if there is no such thing as uncrackable, that is the same as saying digital data can never be 100% secure? |
| 03:01.41 | cast_ | can be invented has been* |
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| 03:02.02 | Ronin | samesame: you ever hear the analogy of building a better mouse trap? |
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| 03:02.11 | foo | nevyn: hmm, I wonder if that was responsible for the hang. You think so? Should I just run again as user? |
| 03:02.12 | samesame | haha yes |
| 03:02.23 | Ronin | doesnt mean we shouldn't try mind you |
| 03:02.48 | nevyn | foo: it's gennerally a bad idea to run stuff as root when it doesn't need to be. |
| 03:03.06 | nevyn | foo that being said.. |
| 03:03.14 | eldowan | abrotman: sorry to ask you this, but could you do a favor for me? I know xebian isn't in the usual support book, but I think it might be a simple fix for epp. |
| 03:03.24 | nevyn | dbench is another (not as good as bonnie) benchmark |
| 03:03.36 | abrotman | eldowan: ? |
| 03:03.46 | abrotman | eldowan: if it takes five minutes or less :) |
| 03:03.47 | eldowan | when epp gets back on the channel, would you tell him to change the stable referrences to sarge in the sources.list file, do an update, and try to remove xfree86 again? |
| 03:03.50 | abrotman | i'm damn tired |
| 03:03.59 | abrotman | why is he removing X ? |
| 03:04.07 | eldowan | he doesn't want it. |
| 03:04.19 | eldowan | he wants a headless system for ssh access only. |
| 03:04.24 | abrotman | so why cna't he remove it ? |
| 03:04.29 | samesame | ive got a box what has debian etch testing installed onto it. how do i upgrade that to debian etch stable? apt-get install upgrade OR apt-get distro-upgrade |
| 03:04.33 | eldowan | he isn't responding here or over vnc and I've got to get out. |
| 03:04.45 | abrotman | uhm .. i'm likely to be gone soon also |
| 03:04.49 | abrotman | epp: wake up |
| 03:04.54 | eldowan | abrotman: apt-get remove xfree86-common wants to install xorg |
| 03:04.56 | abrotman | eldowan: also .. he hates me :) |
| 03:05.03 | eldowan | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/504155 |
| 03:05.17 | eldowan | abrotman: thats par for the couse though. ;) |
| 03:05.32 | abrotman | wtf did he do to it |
| 03:06.03 | eldowan | looks like he installed when sarge was stable, and hasn't made any changes. now he did an update, and tries to remove the package. |
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| 03:06.26 | abrotman | eldowan: no . he's using xebian . i'm sure he'll have many issues going forward |
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| 03:06.34 | foo | nevyn: ok, let me give that a shot, thanks |
| 03:06.40 | eldowan | looks as though his connection is timing out anyway... his vnc server on windows MEII has quit too... |
| 03:06.57 | eldowan | hmm. his sources.list has ftp.debian.org for every entry... |
| 03:07.23 | foo | nevyn: hm, I've used iozone3 before too, but apparently it's not in debian's repository. Do you have it? Maybe I'm missing something in my sources |
| 03:07.36 | wols_ | samesame: neither. read the install manual |
| 03:08.46 | eldowan | abrotman: aah. I wan't fully aware what xebian was. |
| 03:09.27 | abrotman | eldowan: he might just be able to remove the base Xlibs and be done with it |
| 03:10.03 | foo | nevyn: hm, dbench 55. Here we gooooooo.... thanks |
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| 03:10.31 | eldowan | abrotman: this is taking entirely too long. I tried, but it was more like a 1/2 ton pickup over the toe than a tractor/trailer over the foot. |
| 03:10.43 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 03:11.44 | foo | nevyn: hm, if dbench 55 runs and completes successfully... should I be fine? I let bonnie++ run for like 12 hours, I don't know if that's overkill or not |
| 03:12.06 | Wyzard | yay, finally 2.6.21 for i386 |
| 03:12.10 | nevyn | foo: you may need to specify a few options to bonnie |
| 03:12.16 | Wyzard | now people will stop complaining about nVidia not working because of paravirt |
| 03:12.16 | nevyn | Wyzard: finally! |
| 03:12.54 | samesame | where would linux be today if all the big hardware companies wrote linux-drivers for every bit of kit? |
| 03:13.13 | nevyn | samesame: screwed |
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| 03:13.23 | foo | nevyn: hm, I'm using dbench 55 now .. it's hitting up the disks pretty good. 98%+ according to util from iostat -dkx |
| 03:13.31 | wols_ | samesame: do you have an actual debian question or do want to help people with theirs? |
| 03:13.45 | nevyn | Wyzard: oh. |
| 03:13.49 | wols_ | if not: please STFU |
| 03:14.04 | nevyn | Wyzard: I couldn't care less about nvidia's proprietary blob working. |
| 03:14.23 | abrotman | nevyn: why ? |
| 03:14.26 | Wyzard | nevyn: I care because I use it, but I was happy enough to stick with 2.6.18 for a while |
| 03:14.28 | nevyn | Wyzard: I live in hope of a fixedd scheduler |
| 03:14.32 | wols_ | Wyzard: 2.6.21 has been out since late april :) |
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| 03:14.55 | Wyzard | nevyn: but I've seen a bunch of people here complaining that they couldn't modprobe nvidia on sid's 2.6.20 |
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| 03:14.57 | nevyn | 2.6.21 apparently fixes the starvation problem thistime for sure. |
| 03:14.59 | eldowan | abrotman: Wyzard: its been good seeing your support is still going strong. I appreciate the help in the past and just haven't been on lately to try to retun in like kind though probably not to either of you. Be safe and enjoy. |
| 03:15.08 | abrotman | hehe |
| 03:15.11 | Rikkimaru | anyone used jailkit for making chroot jails here? |
| 03:16.06 | wols_ | Rikkimaru: #debian doesn't need a toolkit to jail people. the channel does it automatically |
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| 03:16.31 | wols_ | abrotman: ever seen The Great Escape? |
| 03:16.39 | Rikkimaru | wols_, fortunately that isn't what i was asking :D. See the other possible meaning of my sentence |
| 03:16.40 | wols_ | remember what happened to Steve McQueen? |
| 03:16.45 | Azar | hello honorables |
| 03:16.55 | troytroy | hi how do i bring up a nic interface permanently without assigning ip |
| 03:17.07 | bubux | so when is that i'm going to be able to install a decent version of gedit from etch repository? |
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| 03:17.14 | Azar | upon my own and personal research most of the lenny users are in latino america |
| 03:17.15 | DawnLight | is there a list of what each debian iso contains? and to answer my question here it is: http://atterer.net/jigdo/jigdo-search.php?list |
| 03:17.18 | wols_ | troytroy: why do you need it up? |
| 03:17.28 | abrotman | wols_: is that the one about Alcatraz ? |
| 03:17.36 | abrotman | !cd contents |
| 03:17.36 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the cds: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search ; If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php |
| 03:17.40 | troytroy | eg "ifconfig eth1 0.0.0.0 up" temporarily |
| 03:17.53 | Azar | bubux: define "decent" |
| 03:17.53 | wols_ | abrotman: that's CLint Eastwood. but that one died too, at least officially |
| 03:17.56 | Wyzard | Azar: There are lenny users worldwide |
| 03:18.04 | abrotman | wols_: ah .. then no :) |
| 03:18.11 | wols_ | abrotman: it's the one about WW2 PoW camp where they put all the escape artists in |
| 03:18.18 | Azar | Wyzard: I know but the most "vocal" about using it are latinos |
| 03:18.20 | abrotman | nope .. never saw it |
| 03:18.33 | troytroy | wols_ because chilli binds a tun to that interface |
| 03:18.35 | wols_ | go get it. fun movie |
| 03:18.46 | wols_ | troytroy: you can assign it a dummy IP |
| 03:19.01 | Rikkimaru | can anyone help me with a permission problem i'm having with a chroot jail made with jailkit ? |
| 03:19.01 | wols_ | tho simply "auto ethX" in interfaces should work IIRC |
| 03:19.01 | Azar | wols_: ever seen "the grifters" ? |
| 03:19.08 | abrotman | wols_: it's probably on TCM or something similar .. i'll keep a lookout |
| 03:19.14 | wols_ | Azar: I think yes |
| 03:19.31 | Azar | wols_: just seen it, old movie but I was impressed |
| 03:19.35 | troytroy | wols_ i assigned it 0.0.0.0 but when i restart network services it fails |
| 03:19.47 | wols_ | troytroy: don't assign anything |
| 03:19.56 | wols_ | and 0.0.0.0 is not a valid IP |
| 03:19.57 | wols_ | ever |
| 03:20.15 | Azar | :) 0.0.0.0 |
| 03:20.20 | abrotman | damn right |
| 03:20.52 | troytroy | wols_ ok but if i dont how will it be uped when i start server |
| 03:21.35 | wols_ | troytroy: I just told you |
| 03:21.43 | wols_ | 05:18 < wols_> tho simply "auto ethX" in interfaces should work IIRC |
| 03:22.29 | troytroy | wols_ ? |
| 03:22.29 | bubux | Azar: decent gedit? we have gedit 2.14 and there is 2.18 already... i knwo it's because of GTK 2.10? comeon i want to use gedit for coding but having to ctrl+t and ctrl+shift+t for identantion ruin's me.. NO i don't want vim and any other editor... |
| 03:22.29 | bubux | i just want debian to have a newer version o gedit |
| 03:22.29 | wols_ | bubux: then compile it yourself |
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| 03:22.38 | troytroy | wols_ ok just auto eth1 |
| 03:22.40 | wols_ | bubux: I want a pony. and do I get it? noooo! |
| 03:22.56 | Wyzard | bubux: unstable has 2.6.18 already... dunno about testing |
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| 03:23.17 | bubux | Wyzard: thnx! i will try to get it |
| 03:23.19 | Wyzard | bubux: oops, 2.18 |
| 03:23.22 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 03:23.25 | troytroy | wols_ one more thing |
| 03:23.38 | Deprecatd | In an apache2 configuration, the rewrite condition "RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-f" should prevent the next rewriterule from being triggered if the file exists, and serve the actual file shouldn't it? (it's not working, sure i've used it before) |
| 03:23.39 | Wyzard | bubux: If you're running etch, try backports.org |
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| 03:24.01 | Azar | bubux: I guess you are mis using the word "decent" for me, decent means stable and in good running shape... the newer a version the more "indecent" it looks due to unresolved bugs |
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| 03:24.04 | troytroy | wols_ is it possible to integrate shorewall with the firewall.iptables file that come with chillispot |
| 03:24.33 | wols_ | why wouldn't it? |
| 03:24.47 | troytroy | wols_ how |
| 03:24.48 | bubux | Wyzard: thnx. youre being very helpfull.. thnx also Azar for your help |
| 03:24.50 | wols_ | both are frontends to iptables, both use the same commands to do actual work |
| 03:25.01 | wols_ | if you are capable of doing it however I don#t know. maybe read more docs |
| 03:25.12 | wols_ | you start by figuring out what each script actually does |
| 03:25.18 | wols_ | each iptables script that is |
| 03:25.49 | troytroy | hmm |
| 03:25.56 | Azar | bubux: btw, vim is way more better than gedit :) |
| 03:26.36 | bubux | Azar: =) |
| 03:26.45 | bubux | Wyzard: sudo apt-get -t etch-backports install gedit says i have the newest version |
| 03:26.49 | Azar | now that abrotman left, the news: sparc32 to go away , welcome sparc64 |
| 03:26.55 | foo | nevyn: Ok, it finished. Throughput 361.102 MB/sec 55 procs. Should I run this like 5 times to be safe? Or if it passes once should I be good? |
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| 03:28.28 | Rikkimaru | how can i figure out the group id of a file? |
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| 03:28.41 | wols_ | Rikkimaru: ls -al |
| 03:29.07 | wols_ | !tell bubux about simple sid backport |
| 03:29.10 | Wyzard | bubux: then I guess backports doesn't have a package for gedit |
| 03:29.32 | Wyzard | wols_: not likely to work for a GNOME app that depends on newer libraries, such as GTK 2.10 |
| 03:29.46 | wols_ | Wyzard: I didn't say it was easy :) |
| 03:29.57 | Wyzard | Well, it certainly won't be "simple" |
| 03:30.04 | Readon | how to add disk in the system with raid5 card? |
| 03:30.16 | Readon | without formatting. |
| 03:30.17 | Azar | teheeee!! 50,000 Debian boxes have reported to the popcon! |
| 03:30.28 | Wyzard | Readon: If it's hardware RAID, see the documentation for the RAID controller and its driver |
| 03:30.47 | bubux | Wyzard: if the solution is installing gtk 2.10, yes i knew that a month ago.. i just wanted an alternative.. =( |
| 03:31.06 | wols_ | bubux: compile gedit statically :) |
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| 03:31.24 | bubux | compile it for me =) |
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| 03:31.45 | bubux | wols_: if you compile it for me i will be your friend for 1 month! |
| 03:31.50 | Azar | wols_: what has the 2.18 over the 2.14 that makes you want it so badly? |
| 03:32.04 | Azar | err bubux |
| 03:32.19 | Azar | bubux..... ? |
| 03:32.29 | bubux | Azar: identation with <tab> instead of ctrl+t and ctrl+shift+t |
| 03:32.31 | Readon | Wyzard, would linux recognize the alternatives of partition spaces? |
| 03:32.40 | wols_ | bubux: does that include sexual favours for this month? are you female? |
| 03:32.50 | Azar | :D aahahaha |
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| 03:33.07 | Wyzard | Readon: I don't understand what you mean by "alternatives of partition spaces" |
| 03:33.07 | wols_ | bubux: programming editors ALL have auto indent |
| 03:33.43 | Wyzard | Readon: If you're using hardware RAID, the correct way to add and remove disks is controller-specific so you need to check the docs for your controller |
| 03:33.44 | bubux | wols_: i'm a male that likes females and has a huge .... no i don't do that kind of favors except if you are talking that you need some help with your gfriend =) |
| 03:33.59 | foo | nevyn: Still around? Hmph |
| 03:34.02 | Wyzard | Readon: (or alternatively, mention what controller you have and hope that someone here knows how to configure it) |
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| 03:35.52 | Azar | hot news: Freenode and OFTC IRC networks buddy up |
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| 03:36.25 | Wyzard | oh? |
| 03:36.38 | Wyzard | I thought OFTC was created because Debian didn't like having its official channel on freenode, or something like that |
| 03:36.38 | nevyn | foo: yeah |
| 03:36.47 | wols_ | < karsten> OT: Freenode/OFTC article: http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/05/16/2037231 |
| 03:37.02 | wols_ | Wyzard: while debian is important. it's not THAT important |
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| 03:37.08 | nethenson | hello |
| 03:37.15 | foo | nevyn: When is "enough enough" do you think? dbench 55 finished with: Throughput 361.102 MB/sec 55 procs ... if that can finish, safe to say I'm good? |
| 03:37.21 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: no, it was created because people decided that they wanted an irc network with open governance |
| 03:37.21 | DocPlatypus | OFTC existed before the move of "official" #debian from Freenode |
| 03:37.34 | Wyzard | ah, ok |
| 03:37.38 | DocPlatypus | I know at least #tor was there |
| 03:37.50 | dondelelcaro | and there isn't an official #debian |
| 03:38.00 | Azar | well.... I like it here at #debian on this side... just got used to here |
| 03:38.01 | nethenson | is there a sgml editor with intelligent spellchecking (so that it doesn't try to correct the tags...)? |
| 03:38.05 | wols_ | dondelelcaro: there is irc.debian.org... |
| 03:38.10 | Wyzard | Well, this channel is "official" in the sense that it's #debian and not ##debian |
| 03:38.28 | DocPlatypus | dondelelcaro: the official #debian is #debian on irc.debian.org, whatever that may resolve to |
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| 03:38.39 | dondelelcaro | DocPlatypus: nope, it's not. |
| 03:38.43 | DocPlatypus | and irc.debian.org resolves to irc.oftc.net |
| 03:38.47 | nevyn | the problem with dbench.. |
| 03:38.55 | nevyn | is that the results arn't that meaningful. |
| 03:39.02 | Azar | "this" is the original and official #debian... way before oftc was on |
| 03:39.15 | dondelelcaro | an official #debian would require that the project specifically denote one of the channels as official; that hasn't happened, and probably won't ever happen. |
| 03:39.26 | nevyn | bonnie++ gives much more usful results that mean something more than a number. |
| 03:39.31 | DocPlatypus | dondelelcaro: they have done so implicitly by pointing irc.debian.org at OFTC |
| 03:39.43 | wols_ | dondelelcaro: We here at #debian, the official IRC chatroom of Debian have decided that http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2000/25/mail |
| 03:39.44 | foo | nevyn: I don't really care about a number, I just don't want the box to crash/hang :) |
| 03:40.15 | nevyn | hrm |
| 03:40.24 | dondelelcaro | DocPlatypus: no, they have not. Considering that I'm the alternate contact of this channel, and the founder of the other, I ought to know. |
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| 03:40.48 | nevyn | foo: so how does a disk benchmrak achieve /help achieve what you want? |
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| 03:41.11 | wols_ | nevyn: he uses it as a stress test |
| 03:41.14 | Av | I'd like to apply the xen patches in linux-2.6-2.6.18.dfsg.1/debian/patches/... to my kernel source.. but I'm not sure how :( does anyone know? I've tried googling but I'm not getting much |
| 03:41.23 | Readon | Wyzard, if i finished raid setting,would linux get the changes? |
| 03:41.35 | DocPlatypus | dondelelcaro: that doesn't say you speak for what the Debian maintainers have decided. I would say that what the Debian project considers official is reflected by where irc.debian.org goes |
| 03:41.38 | dondelelcaro | wols_: yeah; that's someone just declaring it offical; doesn't make it so |
| 03:41.49 | foo | nevyn: :/ The box crashed once (went unpingable), and then another time it just hung and I couldn't ssh in (but I could still ping it). And that bothers me... After it crashed the first time with a kernel panic, I upgraded the kernel... since it was said that there might have been a bug in the megaraid module. I basically just want to test the hardware to make sure this box is ready for production, because I've had some issues with this ... |
| 03:41.50 | wols_ | Av: a variation of patch < <patchfile> |
| 03:41.53 | Wyzard | Readon: If it's a hardware RAID controller, Linux sees whatever the hardware makes it see |
| 03:41.55 | foo | ... data center and I have my doubts |
| 03:42.19 | dondelelcaro | DocPlatypus: I'm telling you that the maintainers have not decided one way or the other; all that has happened is that the domain name was changed to point at oftc |
| 03:42.46 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: FWIW, http://www.debian.org/support#other directs people to irc.debian.org #debian |
| 03:42.51 | dondelelcaro | (and in any event, it wouldn't be the maintainers deciding, it would be Developers like me deciding) |
| 03:42.51 | DocPlatypus | now... the project can decide differently. they can make a stub server that spits out "465 please read http:// ..." and disconnects. |
| 03:42.56 | nevyn | wols_: but wouldn't a real stress test be better? and even sohow do you know you're strssing the component that's the problem |
| 03:43.08 | Av | wols_: ok |
| 03:43.34 | DocPlatypus | entirely possible, entirely feasible, and wouldn't really use much more resources than an average Web server. |
| 03:43.36 | wols_ | nevyn: how do you propose to do a real stress test? |
| 03:43.36 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: yes; it also lists this channel too |
| 03:43.51 | foo | nevyn: hm, I think that was to me. Hm, what do you mean "real stress test" ? Isn't bonnie++ / dbench a stress test? |
| 03:43.51 | Readon | Wyzard, what changes would it be done towards partitions? |
| 03:43.53 | DocPlatypus | hell, you could theoretically hack netcat to do it I think |
| 03:44.00 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: It does, but doesn't specifically direct people to it |
| 03:44.12 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: I'd say irc.debian.org #debian is at least "de-facto official", if that makes any sense |
| 03:44.29 | dondelelcaro | it may be de facto, but it's not de jure, which was my point |
| 03:44.50 | dondelelcaro | and when you're talking about "offical" de jure is what matters. |
| 03:44.55 | Wyzard | Readon: None at all, probably... partitions are entirely an OS thing and none of the RAID controller's business |
| 03:45.10 | nevyn | wols_: crashme ;) |
| 03:45.21 | wols_ | foo: as the name says, it's a benchmark |
| 03:45.32 | Wyzard | Readon: You're talking about "adding a disk" to a RAID-5... you mean to add more space to an existing RAID-5 array, right? |
| 03:45.36 | wols_ | nevyn: that's for CPU/memory at most. not storage subsystem |
| 03:45.44 | nevyn | wols_: right. |
| 03:46.26 | foo | wols_: hm, I see. bonnie++ doesn't. hmm, gah. How long should a bonnie++ test be able to go after I say a box can be deemed "solid" ? |
| 03:46.35 | Rusty1 | nethenson: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/LinuxDoc+Emacs+Ispell-HOWTO.html , dunno |
| 03:46.47 | foo | wols_ / nevyn: This box has RAID10 with 4 hard drives... I just don't think I should have any issues, which is why I'm doubtful. hmph |
| 03:46.49 | wols_ | foo: infinitely |
| 03:46.56 | nevyn | foo: bonnie should finish. |
| 03:47.06 | foo | wols_: that's what I figured |
| 03:47.12 | wols_ | foo: simply put, you can't really test a negative |
| 03:47.12 | nevyn | bonnie doesn't run forever.. only until it completes |
| 03:47.20 | nethenson | (Rusty1: ouch, emacs... :) ) |
| 03:47.20 | foo | nevyn: Yeah, bonnie finished. I ran it 10 times in a row... and after the 4th or something it hung |
| 03:47.25 | Readon | Wyzard, yes, i don't know how would it act, after i insert the disk. |
| 03:47.29 | wols_ | nevyn: but that doesn't mena you can be sure the hardware is OK |
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| 03:48.12 | Wyzard | Readon: That requires "restriping" the array, which is a complex operation that not all RAID controllers support |
| 03:48.45 | DocPlatypus | Wyzard: it can't be done in software? |
| 03:48.45 | Wyzard | Readon: but if your RAID card can do it, the result will be additional unpartitioned space at the end of the drive |
| 03:48.45 | Rusty1 | nethenson: make it as smart as you want |
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| 03:48.56 | Wyzard | DocPlatypus: Linux software RAID can do it, but Readon is apparently using a hardware RAID controller that manages its own disks |
| 03:49.03 | DocPlatypus | oy |
| 03:49.08 | DocPlatypus | yeah that could be a real pain in the donkey |
| 03:49.11 | Wyzard | Readon: After that, it's up to you to extend the partition and the filesystem within it |
| 03:49.17 | nethenson | i guess, it will also work with xemacs... i'll try. thanks Rusty1 |
| 03:49.34 | Readon | Wyzard, would i change partition size dynamiclly? or modify partitions table without any risk? |
| 03:49.56 | foo | wols_: What would you recommend I do? Try to run bonnie++ again for a day and see if it hangs? |
| 03:50.08 | Wyzard | Readon: You can safely delete a partition and then recreate it with the same starting address but a different size |
| 03:50.13 | Azar | DocPlatypus: I guess you understood we were talking about the "irc" side only... nothing to do with the debian maintainers or project here.. |
| 03:50.33 | Wyzard | Readon: If the disk is in use when you do it, you'll need to reboot before the kernel will recognize the change |
| 03:50.59 | Azar | dondelelcaro: according to the article, I have to admit I felt the difference when I visited oftc. They are indeed diferent |
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| 03:51.03 | wols_ | foo: maybe run bonniee with different arguments |
| 03:51.04 | Wyzard | Readon: so you'd delete your partition, recreate it with the same start but extending all the way to the end of the array |
| 03:51.19 | foo | wols_: hm, yeah, let me try that, and not as root this time |
| 03:51.38 | Wyzard | Readon: then you need to resize the filesystem within the partition, so that it fills the new, larger size of the partition |
| 03:51.49 | wols_ | Readon: there are programs to resize partitions and filesystems at the same time |
| 03:51.54 | foo | wols_: /usr/sbin/bonnie++ ... hmm, nevyn, do I need to run it as root? Doesn't look like it's in my users path |
| 03:52.15 | foo | nevyn: or, should I run it as root but specify my uid for -u ? |
| 03:52.16 | Wyzard | Readon: Having said all this... you *are* using a true hardware RAID controller, right? |
| 03:52.20 | Readon | wols_, fdisk? |
| 03:52.55 | wols_ | no not fdisk |
| 03:52.55 | nevyn | foo: run it as yourself. |
| 03:52.56 | wols_ | and answer Wyzard |
| 03:53.19 | Readon | Wyzard, yes, it is RAID controller works in RAID 5. |
| 03:53.31 | wols_ | Readon: what actual controller is it? |
| 03:53.35 | Wyzard | Readon: You could do it manually with fdisk and a filesystem resizer, but as wols_ mentioned, a tool which can resize both the partition and the filesystem at the same time (such as parted, I believe) would be simpler |
| 03:54.00 | nethenson | (Rusty1, you pointed me in the right direction... a simple ispell services.sgml just works -the -h is for HTML/SGML- :) ) |
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| 03:54.15 | wols_ | Wyzard: no one sells software raid controllers... every vendor claims hardware raid |
| 03:54.19 | Azar | good evening mister Gnea |
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| 03:54.25 | Gnea | hola |
| 03:55.01 | Wyzard | wols_: I know, but afaik, the fakeraid ones usually can't do raid5, so maybe this is a real one |
| 03:55.30 | wols_ | Wyzard: what about the intel mobo stuff? |
| 03:55.38 | Readon | i think i can create a new partition, but modify it. |
| 03:55.52 | Wyzard | wols_: haven't tried that... I have one in this computer, but I put it in AHCI mode and use Linux software RAID on it :-) |
| 03:56.06 | Wyzard | Readon: I don't understand that sentence |
| 03:56.58 | foo | nevyn: As I said, it's not in my user path... $ bonnie++; bonnie returns -bash: bonnie++: command not found and -bash: bonnie: command not found. echo $PATH is /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games. sudo which bonnie++ says /usr/sbin/bonnie++ ... looks like I can only run it as root |
| 03:57.00 | Readon | Wyzard, i agree, fakeraid does not mean performance increasing. |
| 03:57.07 | foo | nevyn: hmm, or, wait, I can just run it with /usr/sbin/bonnie++ |
| 03:57.22 | foo | nevyn: I'm doing that now :) Thanks. I'll let this go for a day or so and see what happens. |
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| 03:57.38 | Wyzard | Readon: Do you have a fakeraid card, or true hardware RAID? |
| 03:57.42 | wols_ | foo: ifoncif is in /sbin/ifconfig. does that mean I can only run it as root? |
| 03:57.59 | wols_ | *ifconfig |
| 03:58.01 | Wyzard | Readon: "True" hardware RAID cards are usually made by companies like Adaptec and 3ware, have their own processors and RAM, and are expensive |
| 03:58.01 | foo | wols_: Nope, which is why I manually ran it with the full location. :) Thanks |
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| 03:58.30 | foo | + LSI Logic |
| 03:58.39 | Wyzard | them too |
| 03:59.12 | Readon | Wyzard, i can add a partition in the new added spaces. |
| 03:59.22 | Readon | LSI |
| 03:59.52 | Wyzard | Readon: Yes, you can create a new partition in the added space if you want to, rather than extending an existing partition |
| 04:00.17 | Readon | the machine is a dell poweredge 6650 |
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| 04:00.54 | Wyzard | Readon: A hardware RAID array looks like a big hard drive to Linux, and adding the drive will make it look like the drive just got bigger and has more space at the end |
| 04:01.05 | Wyzard | Readon: Partitioning works just like on any other hard drive |
| 04:01.29 | Wyzard | Readon: but first you need to find out whether your RAID card actually supports restriping -- if not, you probably can't add the disk in the first place |
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| 04:02.07 | Readon | Wyzard, ok, that would be confirmed first. |
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| 04:04.56 | chronographer | hello I got a dpkg error when installing wine from their repositories... it says stff like this: dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/wine/mapi32.dll.so', which is also in package libwine |
| 04:05.50 | chronographer | ohnvm i needed to get rid of libwine.. thanks anyway. |
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| 04:15.51 | scx | !bonjour |
| 04:15.51 | dpkg | Bonjour, scx. Comment allez-vous? |
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| 04:20.22 | grendal_prime | itchi: |
| 04:20.25 | grendal_prime | you still here? |
| 04:20.46 | DocPlatypus | !quack |
| 04:20.46 | dpkg | quack is probably a headless gnutella client |
| 04:20.58 | DocPlatypus | wow. didn't know that |
| 04:21.06 | niru | what does 2>&1 do in scheel scripting |
| 04:21.11 | \amethyst | dpkg, acl is also at http://www.suse.de/~agruen/acl/linux-acls/online/ |
| 04:21.11 | dpkg | okay, \amethyst |
| 04:21.35 | cat | !acl |
| 04:21.36 | dpkg | hmm... acl is Access Control List or http://acl.bestbits.at/ or http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/~agbs/live/acl_eng.html, or at http://www.suse.de/~agruen/acl/linux-acls/online/ |
| 04:21.40 | grendal_prime | a headless gnutella client? |
| 04:21.45 | grendal_prime | what the hell is that |
| 04:21.45 | \amethyst | niru: redirects stderr (2) to the same place as stdout (1) |
| 04:21.48 | wols_ | niru: outputs stderr to stdout |
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| 04:22.10 | wols_ | grendal_prime: a p2p client working as a daemon |
| 04:22.36 | grendal_prime | hmm.. |
| 04:22.39 | wols_ | grendal_prime: wen, speial client, etc. used to run gnutella on a small headless server instead your power sucking desktop |
| 04:22.50 | wols_ | *web, special client |
| 04:22.50 | Billy | I have a problem with fglrx-driver, I use SID, the package depend of xserver-xorg 1:7.1.0 but I have 1:7.2.3, exist solution at the moment? |
| 04:23.03 | grendal_prime | ahh...for those of us that love ...well...files |
| 04:23.14 | wols_ | Billy: what videocard do you have? |
| 04:24.29 | Wyzard | Billy: The dependency is (>= 1:7.1.0) |
| 04:24.31 | niru | \amethyst, wols_ u mean any error message is going to be output for printing |
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| 04:24.38 | Wyzard | Billy: That means 1:7.1.0 *or newer* |
| 04:24.46 | Wyzard | Billy: 1:7.2.3 is fine |
| 04:25.16 | niru | \amethyst, wols_ I want that when i give a command it should not display a bunch of data instead I want then not to be displayed to user |
| 04:25.20 | niru | what can I write |
| 04:25.28 | Billy | ATI Radeon 550 |
| 04:25.37 | Billy | X1550 |
| 04:26.02 | wols_ | Billy: mine fglrx says xserver-xorg (>= 1:7.1.0) |
| 04:26.11 | wols_ | so 7.2 is fine |
| 04:26.14 | grendal_prime | grrrr.i cant find this magical repo for beryl on etch |
| 04:26.17 | \amethyst | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:26.23 | wols_ | !breyl |
| 04:26.24 | \amethyst | conflicts with |
| 04:26.26 | wols_ | !beryl |
| 04:26.26 | dpkg | beryl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager), HOWTO and links to package repositories are here: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Debian |
| 04:26.42 | Billy | Wyzard yes, but don't install, that say is broken |
| 04:27.06 | wols_ | amphi: 2:1.3.0.0.dfsg-3 doesn't |
| 04:27.17 | Wyzard | Billy: What happens when you try to install it? |
| 04:27.50 | \amethyst | wols_: bug 420239 says it doesn't actually work though |
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| 04:30.48 | Billy | I'm in text mode only, can you join #flood for the output there? |
| 04:31.02 | wols_ | \amethyst: I huess this is why dfsg-5 came bout :) |
| 04:32.11 | Wyzard | Billy: I'm already there, though I'm not an ATi user so I don't know if I'll be able to help if it's something fglrx-specific |
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| 04:33.11 | lu-bao | does debian4.0 support IntelCore2Duo real multitasking and dual core usage (32bit edition of debian) and intelPRO w-lan chip ? |
| 04:33.41 | Wyzard | lu-bao: If by "real multitasking" you mean using both cores, yes |
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| 04:33.52 | lu-bao | yep :) |
| 04:33.54 | Wyzard | lu-bao: and Intel PRO/Wireless, yes |
| 04:34.03 | lu-bao | intel pro without ndiswrapper? :D |
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| 04:34.27 | lu-bao | okay and last part is one Realtek High Definition Audio |
| 04:34.38 | lu-bao | (its all inside my new notebook :) ) |
| 04:34.40 | Wyzard | lu-bao: yes to both |
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| 04:34.55 | Wyzard | lu-bao: btw, multiple cores is just a minor variant of multiple processors, which Linux has supported for ages |
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| 04:35.17 | krazykit | lu-bao, wireless probably needs the firmware, but that's trivial to install |
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| 04:35.33 | krazykit | lu-bao, in that it's untarring a file |
| 04:35.37 | lu-bao | what does trivial mean ? easy or hard? :) |
| 04:35.41 | lu-bao | ah okay :) |
| 04:35.42 | krazykit | easy |
| 04:35.56 | dfx- | I'm running Etch and according to some research, upgrading my kernel to 2.6.21 might fix a sata lockup issue I'm having. Is it recommended to install from source or use the package from the unstable repository? |
| 04:36.09 | Wyzard | lu-bao: I'm running on a Core 2 Duo right now, this sytem has Realtek audio with which I'm listening to music right now, and my laptop has ipw2200 |
| 04:36.12 | lu-bao | Wyzard i didnt knew about compatibility for intelC2D cpu so i better ask :) |
| 04:36.38 | lu-bao | Wyzard yeah but my realtek is one new this high definition audio thingy :) (was vista on this book before...) |
| 04:36.47 | lu-bao | waste of power xD |
| 04:37.05 | krazykit | lu-bao, "hi-def" is just a marketing gimmick on a laptop. |
| 04:37.21 | lu-bao | at audio too? mh okay thx for this information then :) |
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| 04:38.01 | Wyzard | lu-bao: hmm... the audio controller I have is the one built into the Intel ICH8 southbridge, so it might not be Realtek, but I believe the Realtek one is supported nonetheless |
| 04:38.36 | lu-bao | realtek is normally supported yes but this new one needs its own driver ( in win ) so i thought it was a new version of realtek what is maybe not supported |
| 04:38.49 | lu-bao | old standard realtek didnt work there |
| 04:39.09 | lu-bao | oooh and i forgot to ask something how to set display at 1280x800 ? |
| 04:39.14 | Wyzard | lu-bao: I know |
| 04:39.29 | krazykit | lu-bao, it'll do it automatically |
| 04:39.41 | krazykit | and if not, is easy to fix |
| 04:39.41 | Wyzard | lu-bao: and thinking about it, I do have a Realtek sound driver when I boot Windows on this box... maybe the ICH8 built-in audio is by Realtek |
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| 04:39.49 | lu-bao | awesome :D |
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| 04:41.10 | lu-bao | mh debian only shows "eth0: FireWire (IEEE 1394) Ethernet device" and "eth1: Intel Corporation Intel(R) PRO/100 VE Network Connection" is it normal that my intel w-lan isnt listed there? |
| 04:41.15 | grendal_prime | thanks wols_ |
| 04:41.19 | grendal_prime | im installing now |
| 04:41.19 | Billy | then I cant install the driver Wyzard? |
| 04:41.20 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 04:41.26 | dfx- | lu-bao: try iwconfig |
| 04:41.38 | Wyzard | lu-bao: Yes, that's not surprising -- you'll need to download a firmware file before it'll work |
| 04:41.45 | lu-bao | dfx- cant cause i'm actually inside installing gui :> |
| 04:42.05 | Wyzard | lu-bao: and if it's a 3945, you'll need to install a daemon too, I think |
| 04:42.21 | lu-bao | Wyzard mmh.. okay then i have to unplug internet cable from my comp now and use that one for my notebook so then see you later and thanks for help later i'll come back for w-lan help :) |
| 04:42.24 | dfx- | lu-bao: i just ran into that same issue a few minutes ago during a new install .. had to find a cat5 cable :) |
| 04:42.36 | lu-bao | Wyzard it is 3945 *g* |
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| 04:42.57 | DocPlatypus | there are drivers for 3945 that do not require a daemon |
| 04:43.02 | Wyzard | DocPlatypus: in etch? |
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| 04:43.04 | lu-bao | dfx- i have a new notebook since monday and i had vista on it pre-installed now i decided to try debian :) |
| 04:43.18 | DocPlatypus | Wyzard: not in etch, you'd have to (I think) download and install them manually |
| 04:43.22 | DocPlatypus | but they are out there |
| 04:43.29 | Wyzard | lu-bao: After you're done installing I think you'll need the "firmware-ipw3945" and "ipw3945d" packages |
| 04:43.49 | Wyzard | lu-bao: and possibly one of the "ipw3945-modules" packages, if etch's kernel doesn't include the module already |
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| 04:44.07 | Wyzard | DocPlatypus: I heard it was in development, but haven't heard of it being finished and production-ready yet |
| 04:44.17 | lu-bao | Wyzard mh kay :) |
| 04:44.37 | Wyzard | DocPlatypus: though admittedly I don't follow the issue too closely since I have a 2200, not a 3945 |
| 04:44.41 | lu-bao | oh and that all can try to look i have one "toshiba satellite A100-00A" so now everybody can look what's inside :) |
| 04:45.00 | DocPlatypus | I'm buying a laptop one of these weeks... and the model I am admiring has a 3945 |
| 04:45.12 | wols_ | !ipw3945 |
| 04:45.12 | dpkg | rumour has it, ipw3945 is http://ipw3945.sourceforge.net/, or for etch and above (kernel >= 2.6.18) is needed, add contrib and non-free sources and 'apt-get install module-assistant ipw3945-source firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d; m-a prepare; m-a a-i ipw3945-source' |
| 04:45.16 | lu-bao | i have geforce 7600go inside :D |
| 04:46.01 | dfx- | what's better ... installing kernel from source or using unstable repository for a new etch install? |
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| 04:46.19 | Wyzard | not bad -- I have a 7600 in my desktop, though in my laptop I'm happy with the Intel GMA950 |
| 04:46.22 | lu-bao | okay bye now (needs lan cable) |
| 04:46.28 | regulate | dfx-: source |
| 04:46.35 | lu-bao | Wyzard yup and i got this notebook for only 799euro lol xD |
| 04:47.19 | dfx- | regulate: ok that's what I'm in the middle of, thanks |
| 04:47.19 | Wyzard | dfx-: Use etch's 2.6.18 unless you have a good reason not to |
| 04:47.20 | lu-bao | in internet i thought it would be cheap there i saw it only starting with 1099euro but i got it from saturn market for 799euro :) |
| 04:47.20 | dfx- | Wyzard: see my earlier post .. sata lock ups. google suggests new kernel |
| 04:47.20 | Wyzard | ah, ok |
| 04:47.20 | dfx- | regulate: in the middle of a make oldconfig right now |
| 04:47.30 | lu-bao | was a special but now i'll try to configure thx for this informations i'll need and use em and now i am away :) |
| 04:47.34 | regulate | dfx-: great |
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| 04:51.53 | Billy | are there a way to fglrx-driver don't see the xorg version? |
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| 04:52.44 | Wyzard | Billy: I told you earlier that your xorg version shouldn't be a problem, and you never explained what happens when you try to install it |
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| 04:56.59 | foo | wols_: if I let bonnie++ run for a full day with nothing else running, I should be good - right? I think that's probably plenty of time |
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| 04:59.28 | wols_ | foo: what will the box do in future? |
| 04:59.47 | foo | wols_: primary mysql master |
| 05:00.03 | wols_ | foo: look for a TPC benchmark or something |
| 05:00.16 | wols_ | and run it as a stress test |
| 05:00.29 | foo | wols_: yeah, that's my next one, to stress network. Thanks. |
| 05:00.52 | wols_ | not the network. he machine itself, doing what it's supposed to do as close as possible |
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| 05:06.15 | foo | wols_: ah, I see. Good idea, thanks. |
| 05:06.15 | Azar | :) |
| 05:06.16 | Azar | ...there was a bob2 around here some four years ago... then dissapeared... is it you ? bob2 ? |
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| 05:07.49 | Azar | some of the CD vendors are still selling "Sarge" 3.1 as the current Debian Stable |
| 05:09.35 | streuner | not that wrong, its called 'oldstable' :-) |
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| 05:10.41 | Azar | streuner: yes and selling Debian "testing" Etch.. I wonder how old are those CDs.. |
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| 05:12.37 | Azar | 1stdebian.com, 205lan.com, debian.abexia.com, |
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| 05:13.57 | foo | wols_: hm, going to stop mysql too. I was stress testing it with mysql running and acting as a slave to the master. /me runs bonnie 10 times :D |
| 05:14.47 | niru | when I boot first time after a fresh installation the splahy hangs and I need to reboot the system |
| 05:15.03 | niru | but second time onwards the splahy progress well and dont have any problem |
| 05:15.07 | niru | why is it so |
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| 05:24.04 | Wyzard | Can anyone think of a reason why apt-get would attempt to install a package, and fail citing unsatisified dependencies, when according to dpkg, that package (same version!) is already installed? |
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| 05:24.34 | iamamoron | hi there |
| 05:24.38 | iamamoron | is it possible to store all the ip in the text file and make it reference says in ssh in tcprwappers? |
| 05:24.38 | iamamoron | sshd: /etc/allip.txt : ALLOW |
| 05:25.56 | Azar | wtf... http://www.gycompany.com/cdproduct.php?id=17&url=/cds.php < can't stop this dancing site to buy a Debian CD set.. it's only my browser? |
| 05:26.58 | Azar | Wyzard: installed with apt-get, uninstalled with aptitude or the opposite? |
| 05:27.14 | Wyzard | Azar: shouldn't matter... they both use the same package database |
| 05:27.50 | Wyzard | I was trying to help Billy install fglrx-driver, and it was failing because it said a dependency on xserver-xorg >= 1:7.1.0 was unsatisfied |
| 05:28.03 | iamamoron | hi there |
| 05:28.03 | iamamoron | is it possible to store all the ip in the text file and make it reference says in ssh in tcprwappers? |
| 05:28.03 | iamamoron | sshd: /etc/allip.txt : ALLOW |
| 05:28.16 | simonrvn | !tell iamamoron -about repeat |
| 05:28.16 | Wyzard | Trying to install xserver-xorg manually failed because of unmet dependencies on xserver-xorg-core and some other things |
| 05:28.20 | Azar | Wyzard: apparently on some packages it does: I installed xfree86 with apt-get (as dpkg here showed me) then when I used "aptitude upgrade" to upgrade it, it simply did not recognized its exsistence or useability in the system |
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| 05:28.35 | Wyzard | but according to "dpkg -s xserver-xorg", it was installed already, version 1:7.2-3 |
| 05:28.48 | simonrvn | iamamoron: /etc/hosts.* |
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| 05:29.07 | Wyzard | hmm |
| 05:29.13 | Azar | Wyzard: depends with which of them you installed /uninstalled... try persisting with aptitude install... will fix it |
| 05:29.16 | Wyzard | I can't see why that would happen |
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| 05:29.27 | Wyzard | both are just frontends for dpkg |
| 05:29.36 | Wyzard | It's dpkg that knows whether a package is installed or not, not apt-get or aptitude |
| 05:29.46 | Azar | Wyzard: it seems aptitude is slightly better at fixing dependencies |
| 05:30.05 | Wyzard | resolving dependencies when deciding what packages it needs to install, yes |
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| 05:30.46 | Wyzard | but if a package is *already installed*, apt-get and aptitude should both see that it's installed, because they both look at dpkg's database for that information |
| 05:31.14 | Azar | Wyzard: I usually repeat the installation with my favorite packager and it fixes it |
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| 05:31.27 | iamamoron | hi there |
| 05:31.27 | iamamoron | is it possible to store all the ip in the text file and make it reference says in ssh in tcprwappers? |
| 05:31.27 | iamamoron | sshd: /etc/allip.txt : ALLOW |
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| 05:31.59 | Azar | Wyzard: it was said several times in here: do not alternate apt-get and aptitude... it can create this type of issues |
| 05:32.09 | Wyzard | iamamoron: We heard you the first time... but your question is not understandable |
| 05:32.16 | Vasistha | !wayttd iamamoron |
| 05:32.17 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, iamamoron? |
| 05:32.47 | Wyzard | Azar: That sounds like bugs in both apt-get and aptitude, then |
| 05:33.04 | Wyzard | Azar: How would apt-get get the idea that xserver-xorg is not installed, if not by asking dpkg and being told that it's not? |
| 05:33.23 | Azar | Wyzard: yes there are, that why I forwarded a bug report and the maintainer contacted me and helped me fix my issue with xfree86 |
| 05:33.51 | Vasistha | practical wisdom beats theoretical knowledge, again |
| 05:33.56 | iamamoron | hi there |
| 05:33.56 | iamamoron | is it possible to store all the ip in the text file and make it reference says in ssh in tcprwappers? |
| 05:33.56 | iamamoron | sshd: /etc/allip.txt : ALLOW |
| 05:33.57 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: running apt-get install attempts to install or upgrade to the newest version |
| 05:34.09 | dondelelcaro | iamamoron: stop repeating yourself, and actually explain what you are trying to do |
| 05:34.20 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: The newest version is 7.2-3, which dpkg said he already had |
| 05:34.45 | Wyzard | oops, 1:7.2-3 |
| 05:34.54 | iamamoron | i want to allow only in tcp wrappers in the service sshd to allow only those ip i specified in a file |
| 05:35.01 | iamamoron | if the IP is in the text file |
| 05:35.11 | iamamoron | it will be allowed to connect |
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| 05:35.13 | iamamoron | thats what i want |
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| 05:35.38 | Vasistha | iamamoron: to reiterate: you would like to create a list of IP addresses; and only those IP addresses will be able to ssh into your system? |
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| 05:35.55 | iamamoron | yes |
| 05:36.01 | dondelelcaro | iamamoron: then stick the ips in /etc/hosts.allow; man sshd; man 5 hosts_access; |
| 05:36.13 | iamamoron | i have read |
| 05:36.15 | Daveman | Hello dondelelcaro |
| 05:36.20 | iamamoron | but docs dont say anything |
| 05:36.27 | iamamoron | no |
| 05:36.33 | Vasistha | !enter |
| 05:36.34 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying, and scrolls our windows extraneously. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. We'll be more inclined to help you if you are considerate! |
| 05:36.41 | iamamoron | i dont want to put all the ip in hosts.allow |
| 05:36.53 | iamamoron | i want it to be in separate file |
| 05:36.58 | iamamoron | thats why i am here asking |
| 05:36.59 | dondelelcaro | iamamoron: if you don't want to put them in hosts.allow, then you're not going to be able to use tcpwrappers. |
| 05:37.13 | iamamoron | ahh ok dondelelcaro |
| 05:37.16 | iamamoron | anybody else? |
| 05:37.18 | Seveas | Hiya, if bob2 claims to be Rob Weir and asks for access: please don't give him any. He's not Rob Weir but an impostor. He just tried the same trick for #ubuntu :) Look at /whowas bob2 to see who he really is. |
| 05:37.32 | iamamoron | sorry dude but that doesnt answer the question i have |
| 05:37.39 | fengor | go back to #ubuntu Seveas |
| 05:37.44 | Azar | :) |
| 05:37.53 | Seveas | fengor, relax, I'm just warning about a rat |
| 05:38.13 | fengor | Seveas: you are jsut spamming |
| 05:38.36 | Seveas | fengor, you have a weird perception of reality |
| 05:38.54 | Vasistha | iamamoron: from man hosts.allow: A string that begins with a `/´ character is treated as a file name. A host name or address is matched if it matches any host name or address pattern listed in the named file. The file format is zero or more lines with zero or more host name or address patterns separated by whitespace. A file name pattern can be used anywhere a host name or address pattern can be used. |
| 05:38.56 | Azar | relax honorables... |
| 05:39.31 | iamamoron | hi there |
| 05:39.31 | iamamoron | is it possible to store all the ip in the text file and make it reference says in ssh in tcprwappers? |
| 05:39.31 | iamamoron | sshd: /etc/allip.txt : ALLOW |
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| 05:39.43 | dondelelcaro | iamamoron: stop repeating yourself; I'm not going to warn you again. |
| 05:39.56 | dondelelcaro | iamamoron: if you don't like the answer that has been given, then ask in a different forum |
| 05:40.05 | fengor | i dont think anybody would give access to someone just because they claim to be someone. and everybody that is dumb enough to do doesnt deserve better imho Seveas |
| 05:40.13 | streuner | !repeat |
| 05:40.13 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 05:40.50 | iamamoron | you are not the only person here dondelelcaro, actually your idea doesnt really help |
| 05:40.53 | Vasistha | Seveas: thanks for your warning, but I don't believe the ops in here are gullible enough to fall for such a story. |
| 05:40.54 | Seveas | fengor, true that, but Rob Weir is a well-respected person, in here as well, and the unaffiliated/bob2 cloak may mislead |
| 05:40.57 | iamamoron | thats why maybe somebody knows here |
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| 05:41.06 | Vasistha | iamamoron: did you even look up the man page I referenced? |
| 05:41.27 | Seveas | Vasistha, I'd expect that but warning doesn't hurt (well, apparently it hurt fengor though) |
| 05:41.31 | Azar | he claims man pages dont say anything :) |
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| 05:42.14 | Azar | Seveas: to make the story short, yes he was here and was very quiet .. no problems |
| 05:42.22 | dondelelcaro | Seveas: well, it's not like it matters; fengor isn't in a position to add anyone |
| 05:42.36 | dondelelcaro | (and he did ask me, but I didn't add him) |
| 05:42.50 | fengor | thats rightjust a normal debian user ;) |
| 05:43.07 | dondelelcaro | (since only me and EE can add people anyway) |
| 05:43.46 | streuner | its seems to be bob2 |
| 05:45.14 | Sirn | hmm, I have this strange problem: I can't use ifup or w/e to bring the network interface (say, eth0) up, it says 'No such device' but if i tried to run dhclient, the network interface is up but it seems to change every time I run the command (eth3, rebooted and it becomes eth4, etc.). What should I do? I'm using nVidia MCP61 and forcedeth is loaded. |
| 05:45.52 | Vasistha | Sirn: are you using NetworkManager? |
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| 05:46.28 | Sirn | Vasistha: Network Manager? Nope, I'm not using Gnome or any other desktop environment |
| 05:46.32 | sid | What is a good free/libre FPS game like counter-strike for GNU/Linux? |
| 05:46.54 | Vasistha | Sirn: actually, dunno how relevent that is. that's certainly a strange issue, there. (And NM can be used without a DE :P ) |
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| 05:49.36 | Sirn | hmm ... I checked dmesg, and saw a message saying "Invalid Mac address detected: ..." "...Switching to a random MAC." |
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| 05:50.00 | sid | pm me if you know of one |
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| 05:50.46 | Vasistha | Sirn: that's interesting. It may very well be that MAC addresses get associated with eth0, eth1, etc., somewhat permanently. e.g. I have two cards that I use alternately on this laptop, and the first one I ever plugged in is always eth0, and the second, always eth1 (even if eth0 has never been present this boot) |
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| 05:51.50 | Vasistha | Sirn: it's awfully strange that the card has what the kernel interprets as an invalid MAC, though; what kind of card is this? Is nVidia MCP61 an ethernet card? |
| 05:52.11 | Sirn | Vasistha: Well I'm using the On-board MCP61 (Assu M2N-MX) |
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| 05:52.46 | Skoal | I turned on my linux box and started surfing the net when all of a sudden there was major activity from my hd. I went to top and low and behold a user named nobody was using the find command. Am I hacked? |
| 05:53.06 | Vasistha | Skoal: could it have been an update-db operation? |
| 05:53.13 | Sirn | Seems like my problem is the same one as: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-user@lists.debian.org/msg471648.html |
| 05:53.32 | Skoal | update-db uses find? |
| 05:54.19 | Skoal | damn is there a log file i can look at thats out there |
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| 05:54.28 | dimir | Moin! |
| 05:54.29 | Azar | Skoal: use "w", use "netstat na" , use "htop" to see from where it might come |
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| 05:54.45 | Azar | honorable dimir.. |
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| 05:57.44 | ozatomic | what package would i find this file in "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/truetype/arial.ttf" ? |
| 05:57.59 | Skoal | mstcorefonts |
| 05:58.09 | Skoal | the core font package |
| 05:58.14 | Sweetandy | I'm using gkrellm as a system monitor currently, but would prefer the monitor that I've seen on many screenshots and all the linux livecds I've ever used. It's almost always white text over the background, mostly hanging out in the upper right-hand corner. Does anybody know this package name? |
| 05:58.19 | Skoal | off the top of your head, anyone know the switch for the find command that searches the contents of files |
| 05:58.57 | streuner | !info gdesklets |
| 05:58.59 | dpkg | gdesklets: (Architecture for desktop applets), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.35.3-4+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 463 kB, Installed size: 1896 kB |
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| 06:00.09 | niru | if I install usplash how to see the changes |
| 06:00.30 | streuner | most live-CD's doesn't use/have gkrellm, so it should be gdesklets :-) |
| 06:00.48 | Vasistha | Sirn: I wonder if it's possible to set udev to not save ethX listings |
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| 06:00.56 | Azar | Skoal: "less" /dir/dir/file |
| 06:00.59 | Sweetandy | gdesklets all right |
| 06:01.17 | ozatomic | Skoal: mstcorefonts does not exsist |
| 06:01.24 | Azar | Skoal: you can take a look at /var/log/auth.log |
| 06:01.26 | streuner | Sweetandy: you'll need gdesklets-data as well... |
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| 06:01.30 | Skoal | !info msttcorefonts |
| 06:01.31 | dpkg | msttcorefonts: (Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts), section contrib/x11, is optional. Version: 2.2 (sid), Packaged size: 32 kB, Installed size: 188 kB |
| 06:01.36 | grendal_prime | !beryl |
| 06:01.36 | dpkg | beryl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager), HOWTO and links to package repositories are here: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Debian |
| 06:01.38 | Vasistha | Skoal: find -exec grep target {} \; |
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| 06:01.56 | Sirn | Vasistha: No idea if that's possible or not, I've Google'ed a little and found a solution that says turning force_persistent_names might be able to fix it |
| 06:02.06 | Sweetandy | streuner I don't use the GNOME normally, but it should be okay |
| 06:02.11 | Azar | speaking of fonts, a new set of free fonts is on the making coming soon, clones for types like arial verdana..etc |
| 06:02.42 | Skoal | red hat just recently released a shitload of free fonts |
| 06:02.52 | Sirn | but the problem is force_persistent_names is only in SuSE, afaik =/ |
| 06:02.57 | Sweetandy | What is the command to see where things were installed from a package? |
| 06:03.01 | Azar | http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/05/16/1318240 < yes but they are not ready yet |
| 06:03.20 | Sweetandy | I want to grep that for bin |
| 06:03.21 | streuner | Sweetandy: man dpkg (option -L) |
| 06:03.26 | Sweetandy | thanks! |
| 06:03.27 | scx | .me hands a cookie to Vasistha |
| 06:03.33 | Skoal | no wonder i couldnt them |
| 06:03.33 | scx | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:03.39 | Skoal | find* |
| 06:03.46 | Vasistha | :D |
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| 06:04.16 | cat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:04.49 | scx | cat /path/* | grep 'what you want to find' |
| 06:04.55 | scx | could do it too :p |
| 06:05.15 | Skoal | actually thats exactly what i wanted |
| 06:06.46 | Sweetandy | streuner: Hmm - DSL had it, if you have used DSL, and it was used with Fluxbox - it's pretty lightweight |
| 06:06.57 | Sweetandy | Let me see if I can find a screenshot online real quick |
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| 06:07.19 | Vasistha | Skoal: heh, although it's not really going to tell you what file the matching string is in ... perhaps that's not important |
| 06:07.29 | Azar | hmm istn't beryl having a wedding with compiz so soon they will be one ? |
| 06:07.44 | Skoal | yeah i just figured that out hah |
| 06:07.49 | Skoal | May 23 01:39:51 markLinux su[2892]: Successful su for nobody by root |
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| 06:07.59 | Skoal | you guys use su no? |
| 06:08.07 | Azar | Skoal: thats a daemon, runs everyday at same time |
| 06:08.10 | Azar | check it out |
| 06:08.36 | Azar | no idea what it is but is ok .. no damages here so far |
| 06:08.39 | Sweetandy | Screenshot of system monitor I'm looking for (sorry for quality) http://www.thelinuxshop.co.uk/catalog/screenshots/damn_small_linux-3.1.jpg |
| 06:09.01 | scx | Skoal: I use su - |
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| 06:09.17 | scx | Skoal: and see nothing in the man about option -no |
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| 06:10.27 | Azar | Skoal: "nobody" is some process... I get it su-ing everyday at 06:36 |
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| 06:11.11 | maxamillion | how can i disable the system beep everytime i get to the gdm login screen? |
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| 06:11.38 | sanmarcos | are there any linux games comparable to the diablo 2 genre? |
| 06:11.50 | k-man | sanmarcos, nethack? |
| 06:11.53 | Zemus | sanmarcos, sure. Just google hack n' slash linux games. |
| 06:11.55 | maxamillion | sanmarcos: uhmmm... i'm not familiar with diablo2 |
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| 06:12.02 | Zemus | k-man, nethack is *not* diabloesque. :P |
| 06:12.14 | k-man | Zemus, yes it is |
| 06:12.20 | rking | maxamillion: Probably the tab, Accessibility, under gdmsetup |
| 06:12.21 | k-man | the only difference is its turn based |
| 06:12.32 | k-man | :) |
| 06:12.33 | Zemus | k-man, heheh, graphics wise, anyway... xD |
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| 06:12.54 | Zemus | Nethack: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/00/Nethack_releasing_a_djinni.png |
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| 06:12.58 | Azar | egooboo is diabolesque |
| 06:13.02 | eshaase | my FS is getting full, any files i can remove safely? |
| 06:13.04 | Skoal | figured it out.... if anyone wants to know what nobody is about anyway heres the link: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=512285 |
| 06:13.19 | maxamillion | rking: ok, thanks i will have a look |
| 06:13.33 | maxamillion | Zesturian: uhmmm... this tickle your fancy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulture%27s_Eye ? |
| 06:14.12 | Zemus | sanmarcos, check out this webpage. :) http://icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php That's a decent list of linux games, with selectable genres. |
| 06:14.25 | Supaplex | dpkg: test4928492849284 is hi |
| 06:14.25 | dpkg | Supaplex: okay |
| 06:14.41 | maxamillion | Zemus: oh, wait ... you weren't the one who asked, sorry |
| 06:14.47 | maxamillion | sanmarcos: check this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulture%27s_Eye |
| 06:14.53 | Zesturian | maxamillion, incorrect nick completion? |
| 06:14.59 | Zesturian | Ah ;-] |
| 06:15.09 | sanmarcos | I dont like nethac |
| 06:15.19 | eshaase | my FS is getting full, any files i can remove safely? /tmp doesn't seem to have anything large in it |
| 06:15.34 | sanmarcos | eshaase, apt-get clean |
| 06:15.37 | Zemus | That keeps happening. :/ |
| 06:15.49 | Zemus | :| |
| 06:15.51 | sanmarcos | eshaase, /var/log, ext2 also reserves some space for it, see tune2fs |
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| 06:16.18 | Azar | Cool, Skoal, like I thought... some process |
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| 06:16.21 | Zesturian | Beer in the morning, sir. I think you might just have an alcohol problem. |
| 06:16.26 | maxamillion | Zesturian: yeah |
| 06:16.40 | Zemus | It's 1:16am. |
| 06:16.43 | Azar | sanmarcos: awwww why? |
| 06:16.51 | Zemus | Beer is good any time before 5:00am. |
| 06:17.00 | Zesturian | 7am here |
| 06:17.05 | nevyn | Zesturian: not everyone is where you are.. |
| 06:17.14 | Zemus | :D |
| 06:17.15 | Zesturian | I assumed by sitting next to me, we'd be in the same timezone ;] |
| 06:17.23 | maxamillion | lol |
| 06:17.24 | Skoal | 2:16am here.... dont you people have jobs in the mornin |
| 06:17.26 | Zemus | It's the intarweb. There is no morning. |
| 06:17.27 | nevyn | sanmarcos: falconseye |
| 06:17.31 | Zesturian | Much better. |
| 06:17.49 | Azar | nevyn: egoboo is more graphically attractive than falconseye |
| 06:18.00 | Zesturian | Skoal, it's called being self employed. |
| 06:18.12 | nevyn | Azar: falconseye is more... complete than egoboo |
| 06:18.16 | Skoal | #debian pays well eh? |
| 06:18.21 | eshaase | sanmarcos: apt-get didn't do much |
| 06:18.31 | eshaase | and i can't imagine /var/log taking up more than a 1GB no? |
| 06:18.45 | Azar | nevyn: falconseye did not worked on my box.. |
| 06:18.53 | maxamillion | Skoal: i wish, i would quit my day job if that were the case |
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| 06:19.26 | Zesturian | Skoal, yes, handsomely, been paid up front in marshmallows and hot chocolate already today. |
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| 06:19.34 | sanmarcos | eshaase, check /var/cache |
| 06:19.38 | Vasistha | eshaase: if you happen to be using KDE, I can't recommend enough the FSView plugin for konqueror. It is, IMO, the best tool available for seeing what's taking up space on your drive. |
| 06:19.45 | sanmarcos | eshaase, anyhow, try Filelight, or the gnome disk analyzer |
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| 06:20.33 | necromancer | allo |
| 06:20.47 | Azar | hey lbreakout, neverball, neverputt, trackballs <<< if you want cool 3D fun |
| 06:20.53 | Azar | games ^^^ |
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| 06:20.58 | sanmarcos | I want diablo 3 :( |
| 06:21.05 | scx | You'll need an aspirin tho |
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| 06:21.31 | Sweetandy | Does anybody know this system monitor? http://news.softpedia.com/images/reviews/large/dsln-large_011.png |
| 06:21.32 | Azar | sanmarcos: buy a gaming console then and run linux from it :) |
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| 06:22.08 | cunzhang | in debian 4.0,what software has the same function as base-config in Debian 3.0? |
| 06:22.45 | scx | sanmarcos: A limine debetur reverentia |
| 06:22.58 | nickzxcv | hi, I have a sarge system with several user accounts and in the /etc/shadow some accounts use MD5 and some use something else, does anybody what and why that is? There doesn't appear to be a pattern such as before or after a certain date. |
| 06:22.59 | sanmarcos | scx, yes |
| 06:23.16 | sanmarcos | nickzxcv, it works!, thats all you should care about! |
| 06:23.17 | scx | O.O |
| 06:23.19 | eshaase | sanmarcos: whats the name of the gnome disk analayzer? |
| 06:23.23 | eshaase | sanmarcos: the process name |
| 06:23.32 | scx | sanmarcos: did you understood ?! |
| 06:23.33 | Wyzard | eshaase: baobab |
| 06:23.49 | sanmarcos | it comes with gnome eshaase, but if you use stable, you wil have to wait another 3 years to get that release |
| 06:23.55 | sanmarcos | scx, no, please explain |
| 06:24.04 | scx | -.- |
| 06:24.22 | eshaase | Wyzard: perfect, thanks! |
| 06:24.43 | nickzxcv | just curious |
| 06:25.24 | Vasistha | nickzxcv: hmm, I recall a question that was asked during a woody install (that would have been my very first linux experience, 4 years ago) that comes to mind ... may have been related to that :) not that that helps! |
| 06:25.29 | Wyzard | eshaase: Once you've scanned a directory tree with it, right-click on a folder and pick "folder graphical map" |
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| 06:27.28 | lepine_h | how does one go about giving permissions to a mortal user to read and write to another partition? |
| 06:27.41 | lepine_h | chown / chmod the /dev/hdbX or the mount point? |
| 06:27.49 | nickzxcv | this http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch3.en.html tells me debian uses md5 by default and tells me to look in /etc/pam.d for settings, where I find in /etc/pam.d/common-passwd a line similar to the one shown in the document. md5 is the only encryption mentioned |
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| 06:28.14 | nickzxcv | I mean /etc/pam.d/common-password |
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| 06:29.14 | Sweetandy | oh!! conky! |
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| 06:29.45 | sdogi | hullo |
| 06:30.08 | sdogi | anyway knows how i can get rid of this annoying copy & paste issue i got with the last big update? |
| 06:31.06 | sdogi | i'm using KDE and when I use any GNOME application.. such as bluefish.. every time i copy something and want to paste it over something else.. this something else gets copied over something else... thus nothing really happens |
| 06:31.25 | sdogi | or it is uncommon and i'm special? :) |
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| 06:33.45 | scx | sdogi: Do you have klipper running? |
| 06:33.53 | eshaase | Wyzard: awasome program, thanks! |
| 06:34.07 | scx | sdogi: If so check if 'syncronize' is or not enabled |
| 06:34.13 | lepine_h | i chowned the mount point as myself ... and i still cant write to it |
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| 06:35.04 | scx | sdogi: 'cause selection and Ctrl+C gives separete clipboard content |
| 06:35.21 | sdogi | scx: ah.. cool. it seems that it solved the issue :) |
| 06:35.24 | scx | sdogi: Something I find really useful |
| 06:35.25 | sdogi | scx: thanks |
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| 06:35.39 | sdogi | scx: never even knew that klipper had configuration options |
| 06:35.49 | scx | :) |
| 06:36.00 | scx | Basket is even more complex |
| 06:36.04 | Wyzard | lepine_h: chown'ing the underlying directory, while the filesystem isn't mounted, is useless |
| 06:36.13 | Wyzard | lepine_h: That's completely hidden when the filesystem is mounted |
| 06:36.32 | sdogi | scx: it was so annoying. had to do extra work because of that issue :-) |
| 06:36.57 | sdogi | anyway on that note.. back to work |
| 06:36.58 | sdogi | laters |
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| 06:38.14 | scx | sdogi: I use it to have two things in clipboard, like 'middle click' = paste username Ctrl+v = paste passwd |
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| 06:38.31 | scx | very useful |
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| 06:39.48 | gonzaloaf | hi I use gnome desktop environment, want to download themes... what to I have to download from gnome-look.org? gtk1 or gtk2 themes? |
| 06:39.58 | sdogi | scx: yeah i have used both of the clipboards too. but had no idea it is possible to alter it like that. i'm trying to look into these "actions" though |
| 06:40.27 | scx | ah |
| 06:42.52 | scx | Hi, any body knows what OS is in gnu.org? |
| 06:42.55 | scx | Debian? |
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| 06:43.32 | sdogi | you mean what server is gnu.org on? |
| 06:45.10 | scx | brb, yes |
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| 06:45.40 | sdogi | Running: Level One embedded, Linux 2.6.X |
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| 06:45.54 | sdogi | OS details: LevelOne WBR-3403TX Wireless Broadband router, Linux 2.6.5 - 2.6.11 |
| 06:46.04 | sdogi | according to nmap |
| 06:46.08 | sdogi | gotta run |
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| 06:46.27 | sav_ | hey :) how can I list all packages installed in my system? |
| 06:46.48 | Vasistha | scx: considering who's doing it, they may just be rolling their own, not actually using a "distro" |
| 06:46.52 | dondelelcaro | !installed |
| 06:46.53 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 06:46.58 | Vasistha | sav_: dpkg --get-selections |
| 06:47.04 | sav_ | thanks! |
| 06:47.43 | dondelelcaro | --get-selections doesn't only list installed packages (and it doesn't necessarily list all packages that are installed) |
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| 06:48.12 | Vasistha | damn. that's rather rotten. |
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| 06:49.25 | scx | sdogi: Did'nt know LevelOne was an OS ... |
| 06:49.39 | thd | what is the best way to have the system at boot time run a daemon process under the various user IDs of the various system users? |
| 06:50.28 | dondelelcaro | (though unless you've done something unusal, it should list all of the installed packages) |
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| 06:50.39 | Vasistha | thd: I'd imagine it depends on the process. What are you trying to do? |
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| 06:51.26 | thd | Vasistha: I am trying to start individual instances of bip at boot time |
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| 06:54.35 | Vasistha | thd: bip ... that's some kind of irc proxy or some such, isn't it? Then, you're going to probably want to start them after the internet connection is established, right? ;) I'd imagine somewhere in your /etc/rc[2-5].d sequence |
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| 06:54.37 | Sweetandy | After using the GNOME, using the KDE, and then using Blackbox, I have to say I'm hooked on BB. |
| 06:54.37 | mateuszk | Hi I am using WiFi and gnome-network-manager... I am connecting to AP when I log in into my desktop. I would like to use NTP to update time, however gnome system utils wants NTP service enabled. Service starts when system starts up, so it cant connect to NTP server yet. Any solution ? |
| 06:54.37 | Vasistha | thd: anyway, those scripts are run as root, but you can start them as a normal user like this: su joe -c 'bip' |
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| 06:55.40 | scx | Sweetandy: Window Maker? |
| 06:55.40 | thd | Vasistha: exactly, I have greatly modified the global start-stop-daemon to run through a list of users but it works for the first one only and then exits |
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| 06:55.42 | Vasistha | thd: you probably need to background each process with '&' |
| 06:55.42 | Sweetandy | scx: I've tried WM with LiveCD's and I can't seem to get used to it. |
| 06:56.01 | Sweetandy | scx: although the obj-c development environment is nice |
| 06:56.12 | scx | Sweetandy: Well at least you don't use Gnome |
| 06:56.13 | thd | Vasistha: oh yes I have done that in the past but forgot |
| 06:56.33 | Vasistha | thd: for user in joe mary bob billybob shelly sena riley; do su $user -c 'bip' & done |
| 06:56.36 | Sweetandy | scx: Oh I know - why does ANYbody use Gnome? I used to wonder the opposite - funny. |
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| 06:57.22 | Sweetandy | In Blackbox, I'm looking to have something in the root of my menu for entering commands; but the file says "DO NOT EDIT, Debian takes care of this automatically". Can I edit it anyway? |
| 06:58.17 | scx | not sure but maybe you have to use file.config.local |
| 06:58.19 | Vasistha | Sweetandy: perhaps there's a keyboard shortcut that'd be easier anyway? I know kde uses alt+f2 |
| 06:58.26 | scx | just guessing tho |
| 06:59.01 | Sweetandy | Vasistha: I can't figure out bbkeys. I guess it's the bbwiki for me!! |
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| 07:04.41 | mateuszk | How to exclude one package from apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 07:04.57 | mateuszk | on command line? |
| 07:06.07 | Vasistha | mateuszk: you can probably pin it with /etc/apt/preferences |
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| 07:06.27 | mateuszk | Vasistha, is there a simpler way ? simple command ? |
| 07:06.56 | mateuszk | Vasistha, I can copy line by line all packages after after apt-get install instead of using apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 07:13.31 | Vasistha | mateuszk: yeah, but you need to do a dist-upgrade in order for it to work properly. |
| 07:13.31 | Vasistha | mateuszk: I have a feeling you'd better do the pinning ... although honestly, I'm not even sure that that will work properly ... have you read /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
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| 07:13.34 | mateuszk | Vasistha, isnt dist-upgrade the same as install all new packages? |
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| 07:13.38 | Vasistha | mateuszk: no. dist-upgrade is more aggressive about uninstalling things in order to resolve new dependencies of the new version |
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| 07:13.39 | mateuszk | Vasistha, hm then maybe puting it on hold will be better |
| 07:13.41 | mateuszk | Vasistha, I have a problem with xserver-xorg-video-i810 |
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| 07:13.42 | mateuszk | Vasistha, 1.7.x version works fine, 2.0.0 cause blank screen, already reported on bugtracking |
| 07:13.43 | mateuszk | Vasistha, no fix since a long time |
| 07:13.43 | Vasistha | damn. |
| 07:13.46 | Vasistha | well .. you're upgrading from what to what? |
| 07:13.47 | Zemus | Hello, Vasistha. :) |
| 07:13.48 | Vasistha | salut |
| 07:13.49 | Zemus | xD |
| 07:13.49 | mateuszk | Vasistha, I just want newer version of some packages that I am using.. so I though its easier to upgrade whole system as its quite old.. |
| 07:13.54 | Vasistha | mateuszk: well, what version is installed? |
| 07:14.05 | Vasistha | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 07:14.20 | mateuszk | Vasistha, lenny/sid :P |
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| 07:14.57 | Vasistha | mateuszk: oh, alright, well you should keep in mind I've never run anything but stable, so I'm in no place to be offering much advice here |
| 07:15.25 | mateuszk | Vasistha, ok I'll put package on hold |
| 07:15.28 | maxamillion | how do i make gdm not perform a system beep? (i have already set SoundOnLogin=false in my gdm.conf and that didn't change anything) |
| 07:15.37 | Zemus | maxamillion, there ya go. ;) |
| 07:15.43 | maxamillion | Zemus: :) |
| 07:15.47 | Zemus | Heheh. |
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| 07:16.44 | Vasistha | maxamillion: well ... dunno if this is an appropriate solution for you, but I actually blacklisted the pcspkr so I'll never hear it at all |
| 07:16.58 | maxamillion | Vasistha: omg, that's perfect |
| 07:17.31 | Vasistha | maxamillion: echo blacklist pcspkr >>/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.custom |
| 07:17.52 | maxamillion | Vasistha: oh, i was just gonna edit it by hand :P |
| 07:18.09 | maxamillion | Vasistha: why blacklist.custom? |
| 07:18.28 | Vasistha | maxamillion: however you like. someone told me that it's best to let the debian maintainers keep control of 'blacklist' ... if you create blacklist.custom, it will be read ;) |
| 07:18.41 | maxamillion | Vasistha: oh ok, as long as it is read |
| 07:18.59 | maxamillion | makes sense ... let the scripts handle the actual files and then i can edit the .custom |
| 07:19.06 | Vasistha | well, mine is ;) |
| 07:19.26 | maxamillion | wait .. huh? |
| 07:20.58 | Vasistha | what I mean is, my blacklist.custom is read. it works. |
| 07:21.05 | maxamillion | ahh, ok |
| 07:21.15 | maxamillion | sorry i was just unclear about what you meant |
| 07:21.26 | Vasistha | I just verified, to be sure: lsmod | grep -f <(sed -n 's/blacklist //p' /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.custom) |
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| 07:21.55 | maxamillion | Vasistha: thanks :) |
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| 07:30.34 | cilkay | Hello. How do I know what the locale of my Etch installation is. I installed via debootstrap and think the default is ASCII, which I don't want. |
| 07:31.15 | JosefAssad | cilkay: echo $LANG |
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| 07:31.20 | cilkay | PostgreSQL apparently tried to guess the encoding based on locale and it's defaulting to SQL_ASCII. |
| 07:31.42 | cilkay | JosefAssad: it's empty. What does that mean? |
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| 07:33.37 | JosefAssad | cilkay: I think this might help: http://tlug.dnho.net/?q=node/237 |
| 07:33.54 | JosefAssad | been a long time since I messed with locales... |
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| 07:36.24 | cilkay | Thanks. I ran that but echo $LANG still is blank. It generated a locale though. |
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| 07:36.33 | cilkay | Maybe I have to get a new shell. |
| 07:36.53 | cilkay | yes, that was it |
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| 07:37.03 | cilkay | Now to deal with PG... |
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| 07:40.13 | kenji | can some one help me with gnome-keyring-manager? |
| 07:40.19 | kenji | a way to delete my gnome-keyring-manager info? |
| 07:40.37 | cafuego | yes |
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| 07:41.15 | cafuego | They live in ~/.gnome2/keyrings/ |
| 07:45.17 | kenji | tnks |
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| 07:51.56 | tarzeau | does quota stop also hang your system several minutes on etch? |
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| 07:52.04 | tarzeau | i found #316570 but it's sarge |
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| 07:57.31 | maxamillion | so, did the DCC-Alliance die last year? |
| 07:57.41 | maxamillion | because if so, i apparently missed it |
| 07:59.22 | dondelelcaro | well, it seems to still exist, but they basically haven't done anything in a while |
| 07:59.45 | dondelelcaro | not exactly surprising given it's all hype, no action start. |
| 07:59.46 | maxamillion | dondelelcaro: yeah, i checked their mailing list archives ... no activity since may of 2006 |
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| 08:00.03 | maxamillion | its a shame ... i thought it was a good idea |
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| 08:01.54 | xingu | dondelelcaro: they do have a very pretty website ;) |
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| 08:02.27 | dondelelcaro | dunno, I never thought it was myself; the main problem is that it was basically trying to be a common core of Debian without actually getting buy in from DDs first |
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| 08:02.47 | dondelelcaro | it was sort of a fiat from above that never actually got enough momentum behind it to succeed |
| 08:02.58 | brianski_ | hmm i just installed a kernel package and for some reason update-grub didn't run. any ideas as to what i might have done wrong? |
| 08:03.12 | dondelelcaro | brianski_: what's your /etc/kernel-pkg.conf look like? |
| 08:03.49 | ma3x | why does vlc get virtual screen resolution instead of fullscreen? |
| 08:03.50 | brianski_ | hmm nothing catches my eye... |
| 08:03.56 | xingu | dondelelcaro: superficially it looks like you could probably roll the whole initiative up as a tasksel task within a particular release |
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| 08:04.13 | dondelelcaro | brianski_: err, that should be /etc/kernel-img.conf |
| 08:04.14 | maxamillion | dondelelcaro: it never got any momentum because Shuttleworth ran in throwing cash everywhere right about the time they announced their creation of the alliance |
| 08:04.20 | test_ | hey, anyone know how to change the default font for X application that arent using any special widget like qt or gtk programs like bitmap or xvidtune |
| 08:04.26 | dondelelcaro | maxamillion: ubuntu predates it, actually |
| 08:05.06 | brianski_ | do_symlinks = No\ndo_initrd = Yes |
| 08:05.10 | dondelelcaro | xingu: kind of; they wanted to do more than that, like abi standardization, time oriented releases, etc. |
| 08:05.32 | brianski_ | dondelelcaro, that was my first thought too, but all that says is build an initrd, and don't create /vmlinuz - right? |
| 08:05.40 | xingu | dondelelcaro: solaris, by another name. :) |
| 08:05.49 | maxamillion | dondelelcaro: well yes, but it didn't get popular until right about the time dcc-a came out |
| 08:06.00 | dondelelcaro | brianski_: yeah, that looks fine; I was wondering if you had a do_bootloader=no |
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| 08:06.14 | brianski_ | hrm |
| 08:06.14 | xingu | dondelelcaro: just teasing, I get what you mean |
| 08:06.27 | dondelelcaro | brianski_: so if it didn't run update-grub (and you've got grub installed) it's probably a bug |
| 08:06.29 | test_ | btw, what does apt-get build-dep do |
| 08:06.38 | dondelelcaro | test_: the manpage explains it far better than we could |
| 08:06.47 | brianski_ | test_, it gets all the dependencies you'd need in order to build the package you want from source |
| 08:06.52 | test_ | dondelelcaro, i dont quite understand what it used for |
| 08:07.00 | maxamillion | whishes* |
| 08:07.03 | dondelelcaro | test_: it's used to install build dependencies |
| 08:07.04 | maxamillion | bah!!! |
| 08:07.06 | dondelelcaro | maxamillion: fix it! |
| 08:07.07 | maxamillion | i can't type |
| 08:07.18 | test_ | what's the difference from just apt-get install packagename |
| 08:07.24 | maxamillion | dondelelcaro: then how on earth would i get someone to put it in for an update? |
| 08:07.25 | test_ | then build the source package |
| 08:07.26 | Vasistha | test_: it's used if you want to build packages from source, rather than just installing binaries. If you don't know why you would need to build packages from source, then you don't need to ;) |
| 08:07.46 | Vasistha | test_: the only reason you would want to, is if, for some reason, you want to make changes to the programs |
| 08:07.49 | dondelelcaro | test_: unless you're building the source package, you don't care about it; since Debian can build packages automatically in our buildd network, we need to know what packages to install to build the other packages. |
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| 08:08.09 | dondelelcaro | 'course, almost no package maintainer actually uses build-dep; we have things like pbuilder to do that sort of thing |
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| 08:08.11 | test_ | donaldo, i am building mesa from source |
| 08:08.23 | test_ | a newer ver |
| 08:08.24 | maxamillion | whoa ... |
| 08:08.32 | dondelelcaro | maxamillion: you fix it, and file a bug with a patch. The maintainer sees it and then udpates it |
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| 08:08.41 | Vasistha | test_: watch your tab completion, there :P |
| 08:08.41 | ma3x | what's the hotkey to switch resolution? |
| 08:08.55 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: ctrl-alt +/- |
| 08:08.56 | test_ | hmm |
| 08:09.02 | maxamillion | dondelelcaro: oh, huh ... ok.. i'll do it on monday, i have to move into a new place over the next couple of day |
| 08:09.06 | maxamillion | +s |
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| 08:09.21 | dondelelcaro | maxamillion: lazy! |
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| 08:09.56 | vyrus001 | anybody know of a way to write an app that makes strace echo a msg ? |
| 08:10.06 | vyrus001 | or masking strace from working ? |
| 08:10.06 | test_ | it build a package source ? |
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| 08:10.29 | maxamillion | dondelelcaro: lol |
| 08:10.55 | dondelelcaro | vyrus001: uh, why do you want strace not to work? |
| 08:10.56 | brianski_ | i guess i can just add a postinst_hook = update-grub line |
| 08:10.59 | brianski_ | but that seems hackish |
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| 08:11.18 | dondelelcaro | brianski_: yeah; it should be running it automatically. Do you have lilo or some other bootloader installed? |
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| 08:11.27 | test_ | look apt-get build-dep libdrm mesa |
| 08:11.29 | brianski_ | dondelelcaro, nope |
| 08:11.36 | test_ | but there is no libdrm or mesa package in the repository |
| 08:12.16 | dondelelcaro | test_: you'd want apt-get build-dep mesa-utils; or similar |
| 08:12.26 | jm|laptop | test_: libglut? |
| 08:13.03 | test_ | what will happen after i run apt-get build-dep foobar , it will install a packagE? |
| 08:13.25 | dondelelcaro | test_: it will install the build dependencies for the source package that builds foobar. |
| 08:13.27 | cydork | test_: it will install the dependancies of foobar.. |
| 08:13.37 | cydork | test_: what don said. |
| 08:13.39 | dondelelcaro | test_: apt-cache showsrc foobar; for details |
| 08:13.47 | test_ | donaldo, i see |
| 08:13.50 | test_ | dondelelcaro, |
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| 08:14.17 | litage | how much do Dolphin SCI cards generally cost? |
| 08:14.23 | brianski_ | postinst_hook and postrm_hook does the job, but it's a hack. anyway thanks all |
| 08:15.30 | vyrus001 | dondelelcaro, its a LOONG story |
| 08:15.32 | vyrus001 | but yea... no anything ? |
| 08:16.33 | Vasistha | vyrus001: move it out of your $PATH ? |
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| 08:17.03 | vyrus001 | Vasistha, huh ? |
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| 08:18.00 | Vasistha | vyrus001: or write a wrapper bash script that either calls strace or doesn't? I dunno. I don't even know what strace does, but if you want to break a command, it's easy enough to do that with some bash trickery |
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| 08:18.50 | vyrus001 | ic |
| 08:18.56 | vyrus001 | ive never tryd anything like this |
| 08:19.03 | tarzeau | how can i get popularity-contest 1.42 to ask me if i want to submit it by http or mail? |
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| 08:19.16 | tarzeau | dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest only asks me if i want to participate |
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| 08:19.31 | jm|laptop | tarzeau: have you snooped about in /etc ? |
| 08:19.41 | tarzeau | jm|laptop: not yet, /me does so |
| 08:19.58 | cidus | hi to all |
| 08:20.02 | jm|laptop | I said I wouldn't participate so I can't check |
| 08:20.13 | cidus | i have a problem with debian on arm, |
| 08:20.28 | cidus | i post a bug report: |
| 08:20.36 | cidus | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=425527 |
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| 08:20.44 | Vasistha | tarzeau: /usr/share/popularity-contest/default.conf may be helpful |
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| 08:20.45 | tarzeau | jm|laptop: perfect, thanks |
| 08:20.54 | tarzeau | Vasistha: /etc/popularity-contest.conf was fine |
| 08:20.56 | jm|laptop | cool np |
| 08:20.56 | ma3x | why the hell I can't launch X? it says Fatal server error: |
| 08:20.57 | ma3x | no screens found |
| 08:21.00 | jm|laptop | sensible, eh |
| 08:21.02 | ma3x | Parse error on line 110 of section Screen in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 08:21.02 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:21.24 | Vasistha | ma3x: pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf, and your /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 08:21.55 | ma3x | Vasistha that would be difficult to do from console |
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| 08:22.25 | Vasistha | ma3x: not necessarily. There are pastebins that will accept a file upload via, e.g., links |
| 08:23.17 | Shadur | ma3x: Based on that snippet, I'd say that somewhere above line 110 of that config file you misspelled "EndSection" or forgot to add it. |
| 08:23.26 | test_ | downloading a source with apt-get source , dosent download also all required packages for building the source? |
| 08:23.41 | Shadur | test_: No, that's what apt-get build-dep is for. |
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| 08:24.09 | test_ | btw, if build-rep downloads a bunch of dev packages can i use aptitude to remove all of these dependencies once i am done building the source |
| 08:24.17 | grimdonkey | hello. sorry if this has been asked a lot of times already but I can't find it: is there an estimated date/timeframe for the libc migration to testing? |
| 08:24.19 | Vasistha | test_: sure |
| 08:24.21 | test_ | or do i need to select each dev package on by one |
| 08:25.00 | test_ | how? |
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| 08:25.38 | Vasistha | grimdonkey: Why is package X not in testing yet? : http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl |
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| 08:26.26 | Vasistha | dpkg: not in testing is Why is package X not in testing yet? Find out here: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl |
| 08:26.27 | dpkg | okay, Vasistha |
| 08:26.48 | dondelelcaro | !why is bleargh not in testing |
| 08:26.48 | dpkg | bleargh is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=bleargh |
| 08:26.59 | Vasistha | dpkg: forget not in testing |
| 08:26.59 | dpkg | i forgot not in testing, Vasistha |
| 08:27.00 | ma3x | why ctrl+alt+-/+ won't switch the resolution? |
| 08:27.01 | Vasistha | :P |
| 08:27.02 | lvalue | hi, anybody else has this problem with unstable, i upgraded icedove yesterday and all settings and the mailboxes are gone, i see them in ~/.mozilla_thunderbird but they don't show in the program ? |
| 08:27.23 | Shadur | ma3x: Maybe you only have one resolution configured in Xorg.conf? |
| 08:27.38 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: it's keypad + and keypad - |
| 08:27.45 | Shadur | Or that. |
| 08:27.55 | Vasistha | !tell Not_Here about away |
| 08:27.59 | test_ | how do i run a source search |
| 08:28.06 | test_ | with aptitude or apt-get |
| 08:28.09 | Shadur | test_: A what search? |
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| 08:28.25 | test_ | apt-cache also lists the sources? |
| 08:28.33 | Vasistha | !search |
| 08:28.33 | dpkg | from memory, search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 08:28.36 | test_ | if i have the repository |
| 08:28.51 | Vasistha | test_: most packages should have an available source |
| 08:29.08 | grimdonkey | Vasistha: thanks. i had already checked the dev information for libc6.. it says not considered, it's still frozen. i was just curious if there were any date estimates on the big change... as it will cascade half of the distributions alongside it into testing |
| 08:29.09 | Vasistha | test_: the exception would be if you're using unofficial repos |
| 08:29.16 | Shadur | test_: apt-cache search gives you package names. apt-get source will download the source package of the package you specified. |
| 08:29.23 | grimdonkey | *distribution |
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| 08:29.38 | Vasistha | grimdonkey: heh, I care little of these things, being a "stable" user ;) |
| 08:29.45 | Shadur | test_: As long as you have a deb-src line for every deb line in /etc/apt/sources.list, you should be good. |
| 08:29.53 | grimdonkey | :) thanks anyway |
| 08:29.53 | ma3x | anyway, once i chnage resolutions, kde can't launch its konq or kmail or all other stuff |
| 08:29.55 | ma3x | why's that? |
| 08:30.06 | Vasistha | grimdonkey: the answer tends to be "when it's ready" :P |
| 08:30.13 | ma3x | kfmclient: ERROR: Couldn't start konqueror from konqueror.desktop: KDEInit could not launch 'konqueror'. |
| 08:30.51 | Shadur | ma3x: You'll have to ask kde for more information about that. Most window managers I know handle resolution changes a little more gracefully than that. |
| 08:30.56 | grimdonkey | Vasistha: hehe, that i know.. i was just probing for some more clues.. :) |
| 08:31.08 | ma3x | Shadur what wm you have? |
| 08:31.17 | Shadur | ma3x: fvwm-crystal, lately. |
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| 08:32.09 | ma3x | Shadur does it have taskbar, systray? |
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| 08:33.38 | judgen_ | i get this when i run apt-get update |
| 08:33.41 | judgen_ | gzip: stdin: not in gzip format |
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| 08:34.12 | Vasistha | judgen_: let's see your sources.list |
| 08:34.32 | Vasistha | judgen_: the best I can think of is that you've downloaded a bogus Packages.gz file |
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| 08:34.49 | fishsponge | hey people, i need some urgent help if that's ok - i have a Soft-RAID-1 box with two hard disks, one of which is dying, and i need to remove the other partitions from the arrays to be able to physically replace the disk and install a new one... can anyone help? |
| 08:35.13 | fishsponge | i'm familliar with Soft-RAID on SuSE and RedHat 8, but on Debian the same commands don't seem to exist... |
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| 08:35.19 | ma3x | I've specified Modes "1280x800" "1024x768" "800x600" |
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| 08:35.40 | ma3x | and then when I change them, they get movable as if I would have one screen on 2 monitors |
| 08:35.43 | ma3x | why is that? |
| 08:35.48 | judgen_ | Vasistha : I scp'ed the sources-list from an other box |
| 08:36.03 | judgen_ | both 4.0 |
| 08:36.46 | Vasistha | judgen_: well ... that's fine. What are the sources, though? Are they all official? |
| 08:36.46 | fishsponge | can anyone help me with my Soft-RAID problem on our debian mail server? |
| 08:36.50 | fishsponge | (sorry to be so pushy...) |
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| 08:37.10 | judgen_ | deb http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
| 08:37.11 | judgen_ | deb-src http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
| 08:37.11 | judgen_ | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 08:37.11 | judgen_ | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contri |
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| 08:37.16 | Vasistha | fishsponge: could be the person who can help you is not looking at the channel right now. Wait 10 minus and ask again |
| 08:37.17 | judgen_ | sry |
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| 08:37.40 | judgen_ | Vasistha : standard etch |
| 08:37.48 | Vasistha | fishsponge: erm, *minutes, that is |
| 08:37.56 | fishsponge | ok, thanks... |
| 08:37.57 | dondelelcaro | fishsponge: what type of software raid are you using? mdadm? |
| 08:38.08 | fishsponge | i think so - how can i find out? |
| 08:38.18 | Shadur | ma3x: Because the shortcut you're using doesn't change virtual screen size. You'll need to call on the xrandr extension for that. |
| 08:38.20 | fishsponge | unfortunately, i don't know as much about this particular box as i'd like to |
| 08:38.52 | ma3x | Shadur how do I "call" on the xrandr extension? |
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| 08:39.27 | Shadur | ma3x: with the right software. I think the latest KDE has a "change screen resolution" systray applet or configuration option. I know gnome does. |
| 08:39.29 | dondelelcaro | fishsponge: if you run df -h; it should tell you what devices are mounted; also /proc/mdstat should tell you as well (iirc) |
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| 08:41.13 | fishsponge | ok, hold on... (phone has rung now! lol) |
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| 08:41.57 | ma3x | Shadur I tried to change it with gvidm but the screen is not centered (it doesn't fit in the display) |
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| 08:42.55 | roland | how this loads: http://89.137.12.19 |
| 08:42.58 | fishsponge | ok, df -h shows lots of /dev/md0 drives |
| 08:43.09 | Vasistha | roland: what's that, now? |
| 08:43.20 | roland | basic css page |
| 08:43.41 | roland | just wanted to know how fast it renders when accesed from internet |
| 08:43.42 | Vasistha | roland: why are you asking in here and not in #css ? |
| 08:43.54 | roland | Vasistha, its just a apache test |
| 08:44.00 | roland | nothign specific |
| 08:44.22 | roland | seems it gets extremely slow when i add images, so i got them out |
| 08:44.34 | roland | some internet connection issues maybe |
| 08:44.43 | fishsponge | dondelelcaro: ok, df -h shows lots of /dev/md0 drives |
| 08:44.53 | Vasistha | roland: if you've got an asynchronous connection, then that'll be your slowdown, not apache |
| 08:45.09 | roland | Vasistha: i got 512kbps cable connection |
| 08:45.12 | roland | 512kbps up |
| 08:45.45 | fishsponge | roland: i've never heard of 512kbps up on a cable connection before, in my life! not in the UK, anyway..... |
| 08:45.49 | Vasistha | roland: well, that's what they advertise, anyway, right? doesn't mean you're actually going to see that |
| 08:46.02 | fishsponge | 512kbps down, with 128kbps up at most! |
| 08:46.11 | Vasistha | fishsponge: 512kbps, sure, in the U.S. |
| 08:46.13 | roland | ah that must be |
| 08:46.15 | fishsponge | ah, ok! |
| 08:46.16 | roland | 512kbps down |
| 08:46.31 | roland | well i get 120kbps download speeds from internet |
| 08:46.33 | roland | so what does this mean |
| 08:46.40 | Vasistha | I think we've got 6 M down, 512K up here |
| 08:47.32 | Vasistha | roland: well, of course there's going to be some overhead; and also, it may be the site that's serving you is slow. But your up speed will almost always be slower than your down speed, except on premium connections |
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| 08:48.06 | fishsponge | dondelelcaro: u still there? |
| 08:48.09 | roland | Vasistha, im running my own server here behind a router, its a 900mhz celeron 256 ram running debian 4 and apache 1.3 |
| 08:48.59 | Vasistha | roland: that should be able to serve the stuff up plenty quick. if you want to rule out apache as a bottleneck, hook up another machine (or two) on your LAN |
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| 08:49.44 | Vasistha | roland: I'm running a PII/333 MHz with 192 ram, and I'm running KDE, and this computer can serve streaming video to another in the LAN |
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| 08:52.47 | FreezeS | hey guys |
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| 08:53.03 | FreezeS | what's the name of the app that autodetects hardware ? |
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| 08:53.19 | tarzeau | FreezeS: there's several. |
| 08:53.25 | tarzeau | FreezeS: what kind of hardware? |
| 08:53.26 | FreezeS | on debian ? |
| 08:53.35 | FreezeS | well, a sata controller for example |
| 08:53.42 | tarzeau | yes, lspci shows the pci bus, lshw, hwinfo show some other info |
| 08:53.44 | FreezeS | I knew it once, but I forgot its name |
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| 08:54.05 | FreezeS | it loaded the modules automatically for the detected hardware |
| 08:54.13 | FreezeS | or it could just list them... |
| 08:54.18 | ma3x | which one is more advanced and supported: kde or gnome? |
| 08:54.26 | Shadur | ma3x: Depends on who you ask. |
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| 08:54.34 | ma3x | the users in debian |
| 08:54.47 | Vasistha | FreezeS: maybe you're thinking of discover, or hotplug. They've been depracated by udev |
| 08:54.50 | ma3x | I mean which one is more stable and reliable |
| 08:54.53 | FreezeS | discover :) |
| 08:54.56 | FreezeS | that was it |
| 08:54.57 | FreezeS | thanks |
| 08:55.01 | Shadur | ma3x: The users in debian who prefer KDE say KDE's better than gnome. The users in debian who use gnome say gnome's better than KDE. |
| 08:55.12 | FreezeS | hmm, so what's the thing with udev ? |
| 08:55.14 | Shadur | This isn't something you're going to get a straight answer on. |
| 08:55.19 | ma3x | Shadur, what would you say? |
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| 08:55.35 | test_ | hey, anyone know how to change the default font for X application that arent using any special widget like qt or gtk programs like bitmap or xvidtune |
| 08:55.40 | Vasistha | FreezeS: I bet wikipedia's got a good article on udev |
| 08:56.07 | FreezeS | Vasistha: I meant what's the thing with the autodetection in udev |
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| 08:56.11 | xingu | test_: try -fn ... command line string for Xt-widget apps. |
| 08:56.35 | Shadur | ma3x: I use fvwm-crystal because both KDE and Gnome are bloody resource hogs and I've finally realized that all I want out of my UI is that it doesn't get in my way when I'm trying to get stuff done. |
| 08:56.47 | xingu | test_: for gtk, the default font is a theme property |
| 08:56.59 | Shadur | ma3x: I'd say that it entirely depends on what programs you most commonly use. |
| 08:57.03 | test_ | xingu, applicationname -fn fontname ? |
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| 08:57.12 | ma3x | Shadur, I don't remember if I asked you: does it have a taskbar and a systray? |
| 08:57.13 | xingu | test_: it's worth a shot for things like xvidtune. |
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| 08:57.19 | Shadur | Yes and yes. |
| 08:57.32 | ma3x | because a long time ago, I tried something like icewm, and it seemed so empty |
| 08:57.40 | piztek | does anyone know how to update to lenny from etch? |
| 08:57.43 | test_ | xingu, how do i find out the name of the fonts |
| 08:57.45 | ma3x | I couldn't find my way to adding icons or putting something in the systray |
| 08:57.46 | xingu | test_: nb, the font names they're expecting are strings per xfontsel |
| 08:58.30 | fishsponge | ok, i guess dondelelcaro is away for the moment, can anyone help me with my urgent soft-raid issues? (we have a dead disk that i need to remove from the array in order to replace it) |
| 08:58.49 | test_ | xingu, groovey 10x a bunch , |
| 08:59.12 | test_ | xingu, i noticed there are also a bunch of files in :/etc/X11/app-defaults |
| 08:59.39 | Vasistha | !tell piztek -about etch->lenny |
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| 09:00.10 | ma3x | Shadur, and are you on stable or sid ? |
| 09:00.35 | xingu | test_: yep, typically there's an xresource setting for each of the text widgets for classic athena (Xt) and motif (Xm) based apps. |
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| 09:01.09 | Vasistha | ma3x: there's a big important thing you forgot in the middle, there -- "testing" ;) |
| 09:01.16 | xingu | test_: you'll go mental trying to configure them though I'll tell you now |
| 09:01.33 | test_ | xingu, why? i configured xscreensaver just fine |
| 09:01.41 | xingu | test_: more power to you then. :) |
| 09:01.59 | ma3x | Vasistha, you use testing? |
| 09:02.08 | xingu | test_: the concept of "theme" is a much more recent concept than that of "gui toolkit class library" |
| 09:02.09 | test_ | xingu, question is if i can dump new files there for other applications using these widgets Xaw |
| 09:02.27 | dondelelcaro | fishsponge: ok, then you're using the linux software raid. |
| 09:02.39 | fishsponge | ok, so here's the status |
| 09:02.43 | ma3x | Vasistha, if you compare from the distro with the highest towards the lowest level of developement and new stuff, it goes like this: sid, testing, stable... right? |
| 09:02.46 | fishsponge | i have two 250GB drives, with 7 partitions on each |
| 09:02.48 | ma3x | sid's always got the newest stuff |
| 09:02.51 | ma3x | then they pass on to testing |
| 09:02.56 | fishsponge | hda1 and hdb1 are together in md0 etc... |
| 09:02.59 | ma3x | or is it vice-versa? |
| 09:03.03 | fishsponge | bda2 and hdb2 are together etc... |
| 09:03.06 | piztek | is sid newer than lenny? |
| 09:03.19 | dondelelcaro | fishsponge: the command you need is mdadm, and you should be able to just remove your bad drive, replace it, partition the new one, then use mdadm to add the new paritions back to the array |
| 09:03.20 | Vasistha | sid is bleeding etch. sid will always be unstable |
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| 09:03.25 | fishsponge | now, "ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part3" has died (which i presume is hda3, right?) |
| 09:03.31 | fishsponge | and i need to remove /dev/hda |
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| 09:03.36 | dondelelcaro | fishsponge: right |
| 09:03.43 | fishsponge | i've found the mdadm command, but it doesn't make sense |
| 09:03.48 | Vasistha | lenny is testing now, but some day it will be stable. When lenny becomes stable, then sid will still be unstable, and something new will become testing |
| 09:03.51 | fishsponge | mdadm --manage /dev/hda1 -f |
| 09:03.52 | fishsponge | mdadm: /dev/hda1 does not appear to be an md device |
| 09:03.55 | _Umi_ | did u ever used that utility 'discover' in debian? |
| 09:03.58 | _Umi_ | :) |
| 09:04.01 | fishsponge | i want to fail /dev/hda1 |
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| 09:04.12 | ma3x | Vasistha, so sid breaks, but testing doesn't ? |
| 09:04.47 | fishsponge | because hda3 is already dead, so i need to fail the other hda partitions in order to remove the drive, right? |
| 09:04.47 | xingu | test_: there's a tool that'll show you what resources an Xt/Xaw app supports; gimme a few. |
| 09:05.02 | dondelelcaro | fishsponge: no, you want to just do something like mdadm /dev/md0 --fail /dev/hda1; or whatever is appropriate. |
| 09:05.02 | fishsponge | do i need to remove those partitions from the array in order to replace the drive? i'm sure i can't just rip the drive out and boot up! |
| 09:05.22 | ma3x | you can get a CD iso of sid?? |
| 09:05.31 | ma3x | http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=debian |
| 09:05.38 | tarzeau | ma3x: no |
| 09:05.44 | fishsponge | ah, thank you! :-) |
| 09:05.45 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 09:05.45 | dpkg | sid faq is, like, http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 09:05.54 | dondelelcaro | fishsponge: well, you actually can, but you'd have to be able to boot off of /dev/hdb, which I don't know if you've configured or not |
| 09:06.22 | fishsponge | well, what i was going to do is fail hda |
| 09:06.30 | dondelelcaro | yeah, that's fine |
| 09:06.32 | fishsponge | move hdb into hda's space |
| 09:06.38 | fishsponge | insert a new hdb |
| 09:06.42 | fishsponge | boot up from hda |
| 09:06.46 | fishsponge | fix the raid |
| 09:06.49 | dondelelcaro | it'd be better to just insert a new hda |
| 09:06.56 | fishsponge | BUT - i don't know if i have a MBR on hdb! |
| 09:06.57 | fishsponge | argh! |
| 09:07.06 | dondelelcaro | fishsponge: if you don't, use grub to install an mbr on it |
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| 09:07.38 | fishsponge | do you know how to do that? |
| 09:08.12 | dondelelcaro | fishsponge: yes, just run grub-install /dev/hdb (or whatever is appropriate) |
| 09:08.12 | fishsponge | i think the MBR is knackered on hda as well actually, because when the server last crashed, we had to type a load of stuff into grub to get it to boot... is there a way to write the MBR to hdb based on what is running *now*? |
| 09:08.25 | dondelelcaro | fishsponge: if grub actually started, it's fine |
| 09:08.45 | fishsponge | well, grub did start, but all we got was a grub prompt |
| 09:08.54 | fishsponge | we had to type a load of grub commands in to get it to boot |
| 09:08.55 | dondelelcaro | fishsponge: yeah, that just means that it wasn't able to read menu.lst |
| 09:08.58 | fishsponge | and having just typed: |
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| 09:09.04 | fishsponge | mail:~# grub-install /dev/hdb |
| 09:09.04 | fishsponge | The file /boot/grub/stage2 not read correctly. |
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| 09:09.27 | dondelelcaro | is /boot a raid device? or is it only on /dev/hda |
| 09:09.41 | fishsponge | a raid device |
| 09:09.52 | xingu | test_: try editres |
| 09:10.01 | dondelelcaro | hrm... that's suspicious; check dmesg to see if there was an error about reading stage2 |
| 09:10.27 | xingu | test_: is becoming increasingly obsolescent I'll warn you now. |
| 09:10.32 | fishsponge | nothing in dmesg about it... |
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| 09:11.13 | eshaase | i'm interested in using LVM to combine two partitions on different drives to store all of my media but i'm cautious as to how reliable it is as i keep a large collection of things that I don't want to lose, is lvm pretty safe to use assuming that my hard drives don't fail or have bad blocks? |
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| 09:12.15 | roland | www.assa-electronic.ro doesnt work .. umm.. why |
| 09:12.30 | petemc | eshaase: sure |
| 09:12.46 | test_ | xingu, cool! |
| 09:13.02 | fishsponge | any ideas dondelelcaro? |
| 09:13.11 | fishsponge | there was nothing in dmesg about reading stage2... |
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| 09:13.58 | dondelelcaro | fishsponge: can you less /boot/grub/stage2? |
| 09:14.11 | eshaase | petemc: seems like an extra layer of complexity that can cause problems |
| 09:14.21 | eshaase | petemc: lvm isn't known to have certain problem? |
| 09:16.32 | petemc | ive not had any |
| 09:16.45 | petemc | if you dont want to use it, dont |
| 09:17.10 | fishsponge | yes i can, and it looks like binary data |
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| 09:19.55 | dondelelcaro | fishsponge: ok; you should be able to run the following then: grub; device (hd0) /dev/hdb; root (hd0,0); setup (hd0); |
| 09:20.30 | xingu | eshaase: nb a two disk concatenation has a 4x greater probability of failure than a standalone disk |
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| 09:20.56 | dondelelcaro | it's just 2 times |
| 09:21.12 | xingu | no, there's only one success case; where both disks are working. |
| 09:21.17 | dondelelcaro | (well, slightly under 2 times) |
| 09:21.20 | xingu | there's three failure cases. |
| 09:21.39 | dondelelcaro | xingu: yes, but you're talking about P(A|B)==P(A)+P(B)-P(A&B) |
| 09:21.47 | xingu | aah |
| 09:21.50 | test_ | xingu, to bad xvnc4viewer dosent support this transfer widget protocol |
| 09:21.58 | dondelelcaro | or, P(A|B)=P(A)+P(B)-P(A)*P(B) |
| 09:22.02 | dondelelcaro | (generally speaking) |
| 09:22.07 | fishsponge | but isn't hd0,0 the same as hda? |
| 09:22.11 | xingu | yeah yeah, ok. |
| 09:22.12 | fishsponge | hda is the dead disk i'm trying to remove... |
| 09:22.17 | dondelelcaro | fishsponge: no |
| 09:22.42 | dondelelcaro | fishsponge: the device (hd0) /dev/hdb; is what sets what hd0 is. |
| 09:23.11 | fishsponge | ok, so does that mean i'm installing the boot record onto hdb which tells it to boot from hda? |
| 09:23.18 | dondelelcaro | no |
| 09:23.22 | fishsponge | lol |
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| 09:23.29 | dondelelcaro | it means that you're installing a boot record on hdb which tells it to boot from hdb |
| 09:23.36 | roland | A timeout occurred getting the NS records from your nameservers! None of your nameservers responded fast enough. They are probably down or unreachable. I can't continue since your nameservers aren't responding. If you have a Watchguard Firebox, it's due to a bug in their DNS Proxy, which must be disabled ( |
| 09:23.44 | roland | i dont get whats wrong, nothing shows up in logs |
| 09:23.47 | xingu | dondelelcaro: why are you excluding the double-fault failure? |
| 09:23.56 | dondelelcaro | xingu: because it's already included once |
| 09:23.58 | litage | how much do Dolphin SCI cards generally cost? |
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| 09:24.00 | Overflow | hello all |
| 09:24.04 | dondelelcaro | xingu: failing to subtract it would include it twice |
| 09:24.05 | kath`` | How can I check if I'm running sid or lenny? |
| 09:24.08 | fishsponge | but wouldn't it be easier to remove hda, put hdb into hda's place, and insert a new blank hdb? |
| 09:24.13 | fishsponge | that's what i've always done in the past... |
| 09:24.30 | dondelelcaro | xingu: draw two circles on a piece of paper that intersect at two points |
| 09:24.48 | dondelelcaro | xingu: now calculate the total area of the two circles |
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| 09:25.22 | xingu | dondelelcaro: sure, I get that, but there are factors other than disk failure that result in double fault failure. |
| 09:25.57 | dondelelcaro | xingu: yes of course; this is a symplistic model, and we're talking only about the probability of a drive failure |
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| 09:26.26 | roland | can anyone tell me what doesnt work in resolving www.assa-electronic.ro |
| 09:26.30 | xingu | dondelelcaro: ok; but say a controller or power supply blows up and all your disks are attached to it; it is not possible to have only one disk impacted |
| 09:26.41 | dondelelcaro | xingu: sure, but those aren't drive failures |
| 09:26.45 | xingu | dondelelcaro: so while you've got a much better grip on the maths than I, that seems to be a problem? |
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| 09:27.10 | babilen | hi there |
| 09:27.12 | dondelelcaro | xingu: of course; but those are (pretty much) constant no matter whether you're dealing with one drive or two |
| 09:27.13 | xingu | dondelelcaro: *nod*; but it is a concern in the real world, because power failure in particular is common. |
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| 09:27.54 | babilen | will apt-get/aptitude honour APT::Default-Release "oldstable"; in apt.conf in order to track sarge? |
| 09:28.22 | xingu | anyway, for the sake of on-topicness - I see why you're excluding that case and agree that I'm a teapot. :) |
| 09:28.41 | PingFloyd | you forget you could also have an earthquake, tornado, fire, or your computer covered in lava from an erupting volcano |
| 09:28.42 | xingu | (the double-disk-failure case) |
| 09:28.43 | babilen | http://www.us.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html#s-default-version states that only "stable" "testing" "unstable" are valid identifiers |
| 09:28.47 | fishsponge | dondelelcaro: but wouldn't it be easier to remove hda, put hdb into hda's place, and insert a new blank hdb? |
| 09:28.50 | fishsponge | dondelelcaro: that's what i've always done in the past... |
| 09:29.29 | dondelelcaro | babilen: possibly, but that's really not what you want to do |
| 09:29.41 | xingu | PingFloyd: yes but the probability of those outcomes is low; the probability of something in the power train between substation and spindle failing isn't |
| 09:29.51 | babilen | dondelelcaro: what do i want to do then? |
| 09:30.03 | dondelelcaro | babilen: just fix your sources.list to only have sarge in it |
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| 09:30.20 | dondelelcaro | fishsponge: you won't be able to boot if you do that and don't have a grub mbr on what is now hdb |
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| 09:31.04 | dondelelcaro | fishsponge: you'll have to boot off of a cdrom or similar, start up the raid, mount the raid devices, chroot, and add in the new hda |
| 09:31.12 | fishsponge | ok, so i will run the commands you gave me above... hold on... |
| 09:31.25 | fishsponge | hold on... i can't boot off a cdrom, i don't have one... |
| 09:31.35 | babilen | dondelelcaro: i do not want to "fix" my sources.list. I want to track oldstable... |
| 09:31.39 | fishsponge | i thought you said by running that command i could boot off hdb |
| 09:31.49 | dondelelcaro | babilen: you do that by fixing your sources.list so that it lists sarge instead of stable. |
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| 09:32.02 | dondelelcaro | babilen: there's no need to screw around with setting a target distribution if you do that |
| 09:32.26 | dondelelcaro | fishsponge: if the command works, you'll be able to. If it doesn't, or you don't run it, you won't. |
| 09:32.40 | xingu | eshaase: getting back to what I was trying to see before making a tit of myself; a single disk is a boolean, either it works or it doesn't; a two disk concatenation has additional failure modes as you've already stated being component-in-concatenation failure; this means that the probability of the volume remaining online is appreciably lower than the probability of a standalone disk remaining online. |
| 09:32.55 | scx | how is it to use cursive in irc? ---> And no, I am not going to use it |
| 09:33.01 | scx | just curious |
| 09:33.04 | xingu | eshaase: if you don't factor for that, the real world will serve you your ass on a plate, much as dondelelcaro did me mine on the maths front. |
| 09:33.08 | xand | scx: huh? |
| 09:33.09 | babilen | dondelelcaro: i am aware of that issue, it has been discussed at length at debian-user and raised a couple of bug reports to debian installer which includes "stable" instead of "etch" as default value.. |
| 09:33.22 | roland | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:33.22 | roland | ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached |
| 09:33.24 | roland | i have bind running |
| 09:33.25 | roland | why |
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| 09:33.25 | babilen | so how do i track "oldstable" (sarge) then? |
| 09:33.34 | scx | xand: cursive bold underlined text |
| 09:33.37 | dondelelcaro | babilen: you replace stable with sarge in your sources.list; that's all you have to do |
| 09:33.41 | xand | scx: what's "cursive"? |
| 09:34.02 | dondelelcaro | scx: ansi is stripped out in channels which are +c, so you won't be able to use it in this channel |
| 09:34.02 | scx | xand: italic |
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| 09:34.15 | xand | oh... dunno, but many terminals don't do italics |
| 09:34.25 | scx | dondelelcaro: I know, I won't use it I just want to know |
| 09:34.28 | dondelelcaro | although /sometimes/ clients will italisize things like that |
| 09:34.41 | fishsponge | dondelelcaro: ok, these commands run: grub; device (hd0) /dev/hdb; root (hd0,0); setup (hd0); quit |
| 09:34.53 | babilen | dondelelcaro: yes i understand. i want to track "oldstable" and want to install a single package from "stable", because my users will kill me if i don't install it soon |
| 09:34.54 | dondelelcaro | fishsponge: yesh; the latter ones without ;, just returns |
| 09:34.56 | scx | dondelelcaro: ah, thanks |
| 09:34.58 | fishsponge | after "root (hd0,0)" it reported "Filesystem type is reiserfs, partition type 0xfd" |
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| 09:35.08 | dondelelcaro | babilen: then you'll have to backport that package or get one from backports.org |
| 09:35.09 | piztek | any updates to koffice yet in lenny? |
| 09:35.12 | PingFloyd | babilen: then set up pinning and/or set your target release |
| 09:35.17 | fishsponge | and after "setup (hd0)" it reported: Checking if "/boot/grub/stage1" exists... no |
| 09:35.23 | fishsponge | Checking if "/grub/stage1" exists... yes |
| 09:35.23 | fishsponge | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:35.23 | fishsponge | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:35.28 | Vasistha | !why is koffice not in lenny |
| 09:35.28 | dpkg | Vasistha: I think you lost me on that one |
| 09:35.29 | dondelelcaro | fishsponge: don't paste here |
| 09:35.33 | Vasistha | damn. |
| 09:35.38 | fishsponge | sorry (two more lines...)Running "embed /grub/reiserfs_stage1_5 (hd0)"... 18 sectors are embedded. |
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| 09:35.42 | Vasistha | !why is koffice not in testing |
| 09:35.42 | dpkg | koffice is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=koffice |
| 09:35.44 | fishsponge | Running "install /grub/stage1 (hd0) (hd0)1+18 p (hd0,0)/grub/stage2 /grub/menu.lst"... succeeded |
| 09:35.48 | fishsponge | does that look ok? |
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| 09:35.58 | fishsponge | oops |
| 09:36.05 | babilen | PingFloyd: yes, i want to set my target release, and wanted to include APT::Default-Release "oldstable"; in apt.conf |
| 09:36.08 | fishsponge | does that look ok? |
| 09:36.16 | dondelelcaro | fishsponge: in any event, it looks like it completed |
| 09:36.19 | roland | i have a bind problem, where should i ask |
| 09:36.20 | xand | fishsponge: we refuse to look at your pasting! |
| 09:36.21 | roland | #bind no one |
| 09:36.23 | PingFloyd | babilen: that's one way |
| 09:36.37 | fishsponge | sorry about the pasting people... other channels i'm in dont' mind up to 5 lines occasionally... |
| 09:36.43 | babilen | but the documentation says that only "stable" "testing" and "unstable" are valid identifiers. |
| 09:37.01 | babilen | so i wanted to ask if that is true, or a mistake in the docs |
| 09:37.01 | dondelelcaro | babilen: which package are you going to install? |
| 09:37.10 | PingFloyd | babilen: look at the release file on the repos |
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| 09:37.18 | fishsponge | dondelelcaro: so you reckon i'll now be able to poweroff, physically remove hda, insert a new hda, and then boot up from hdb, right? |
| 09:37.27 | xand | babilen: that's not really correct; you could put "sarge" |
| 09:37.30 | dondelelcaro | fishsponge: in theory |
| 09:37.41 | babilen | xand: are you sure? |
| 09:37.47 | xand | babilen: yes |
| 09:37.52 | fishsponge | i presume i will have to set the BIOS to boot from the second hard disk though, right? |
| 09:38.06 | babilen | shall i file a bug against the docs then? |
| 09:38.33 | babilen | dondelelcaro: you want some work tonight? |
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| 09:38.42 | xand | babilen: if you're running stable, it's wiser to put the name e.g. etch instead of stable, so it won't break when a new stable is released ;) |
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| 09:39.43 | babilen | xand: we are running a bunch of sarge machines here and i want enough time for a clean upgrade for all machines to stable. i have sarge in all my sources.list due to reasons discussed at length at debian-user... |
| 09:40.16 | xingu | fishsponge: depending on cabling config, hdb may turn into hda if you remove hda. |
| 09:40.31 | babilen | xand: so i wanted to check if the documentation is correct regarding the ..Default-Release.. identifiers... |
| 09:40.33 | PingFloyd | babilen: http://www.argon.org/~roderick/apt-pinning.html |
| 09:40.35 | xingu | fishsponge: ie if it's pata with cable select (not sure about sata) |
| 09:40.37 | roland | whats the other network ? OFTC |
| 09:40.38 | roland | ? |
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| 09:41.31 | dondelelcaro | babilen: well, I can do a backport if you need it, but what package are you looking for? |
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| 09:42.31 | babilen | so you suggest to rather use pinning then APT::Default-Release... i thought it is more or less the same mechanism but pinning gives you the possibility to pin single packages... |
| 09:42.56 | PingFloyd | babilen: you don't have to since it's only 2 source, but it will give you more control |
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| 09:43.09 | roland | bind doesnt work if i modify zone file and dont increase serial number? |
| 09:43.16 | roland | (name resolution fails) ? |
| 09:43.25 | babilen | PingFloyd: thats how i understood it as well... |
| 09:43.26 | Shadur | roland: It works just fine. |
| 09:43.37 | roland | so why is it important to increase the serial |
| 09:43.48 | roland | for what |
| 09:43.49 | dondelelcaro | roland: it should work just fine; the only problem is that it won't advertise to other nameservers that the zone has changed |
| 09:44.04 | Shadur | roland: How else do you intend to tell bind that it has to reload that zone file? |
| 09:44.26 | roland | dondelelcaro: to other nameservers , like in secondary (slave) NS ? |
| 09:44.30 | Shadur | dondelelcaro: ndc reload only reloads zone files whose serial numbers have increased. |
| 09:44.32 | dondelelcaro | roland: yes |
| 09:44.41 | Shadur | roland: Precisely. |
| 09:44.52 | dondelelcaro | Shadur: not in my experience, actually |
| 09:44.53 | babilen | dondelelcaro: it is java-package |
| 09:45.00 | dondelelcaro | I should have guessed |
| 09:45.10 | babilen | dondelelcaro: :-) |
| 09:45.14 | Shadur | The people who created bind were a lot smarter than you are. They had very good reasons for the serial number. |
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| 09:45.52 | roland | i changed my router and ip, i modified my zone file i updated with the new IP , i allowed port forwarding on router on port tcp/udp 53 for dns queries to work and it still doesnt work |
| 09:45.54 | dondelelcaro | babilen: in any event, java-package is actually an easy package; you should just be able to dpkg -i it without even bothering with anything else |
| 09:45.55 | roland | and bind is running |
| 09:45.58 | roland | nothing suspect in logs |
| 09:46.15 | babilen | dondelelcaro: ok, that is a good alternative... |
| 09:46.27 | roland | can anyone give me some ideas on what to check next |
| 09:46.29 | Shadur | roland: Does it say something along the lines of "zone xxxxxxxx.com loaded (serial 1234567890)" ? |
| 09:46.35 | babilen | dondelelcaro: i will try that first and do a full blown dist-upgrade this weekend... |
| 09:46.42 | spheard | Im trying to build a new kernel with kpkg but its not making an initrd anyone know where Im going wrong? |
| 09:46.49 | dondelelcaro | babilen: unless you're talking about sun-java*; et all. |
| 09:46.53 | Shadur | If not, then it didn't reload your zone file. Increase the serial number and tell the name server to reload. |
| 09:46.53 | PingFloyd | babilen: then if you end up later on adding another source, say multimedia or backports, it will be easier. |
| 09:46.54 | xingu | roland: what is your test condition for "works" ? |
| 09:46.59 | roland | Shadur: zone assa-electronic.ro/IN: loaded serial 6 |
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| 09:47.11 | dondelelcaro | spheard: it doesn't build an initrd until you install it; you did append --initrd, right? |
| 09:47.22 | Shadur | roland: .... /IN? Are you sure you're using bind? |
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| 09:47.35 | babilen | dondelelcaro: no, i need it to install IBM JDK 1.5 which is not supported by "oldstable's" java-package |
| 09:47.36 | spheard | dondelelcaro: oh, no |
| 09:47.40 | roland | xingu: it worked before i did this change, i want it to work now to. using dns reporting tools says name resolving fails because it cant contact my nameserver |
| 09:47.56 | eshaase | xingu: i'm aware of the consequences stated, just wondering how much LVM add to it |
| 09:48.02 | roland | Shadur: ofcourse im using bind :) |
| 09:48.08 | Shadur | roland: Scroll further down to check if it says "ready to answer queries". |
| 09:48.11 | roland | it worked just fine before |
| 09:48.14 | roland | ok |
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| 09:48.31 | dondelelcaro | babilen: ah; well, yeah, just installing it should be easy |
| 09:48.33 | xingu | roland: you probably need to redelegate it at the registry |
| 09:48.34 | Shadur | If that's there, then check it manually by typing, for example, host www.assa-electronic.ro localhost |
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| 09:48.40 | roland | i did a tail /var/log/daemon.log but no ready to answer queries |
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| 09:49.02 | babilen | dondelelcaro: ok, thanks for the tip. |
| 09:49.03 | wykis | Hello, when updating any gnome packages (and trying to reinstall scrollkeeper), I get this: "scrollkeeper-update: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libxslt.so.1: undefined symbol: xmlXPathContextSetCache". How to solve this? I have reinstalled libxml2, libxslt, libxslt-dev. |
| 09:49.22 | xingu | roland: if 89.137.12.19 is no longer your outside (internet-facing) address, you definitely need to redelegate it at rotld |
| 09:49.34 | mr_simpson | visit: www.ccmplanet.co.za - Exclusive RSS Feed, Music News, Exclusive Concert Photo Gallery, Blogging, Music Features |
| 09:49.36 | Shadur | roland: daemon.log can get a little crowded fast on bigger systems. Tail might not get you enough of it -- or do you see the 'zone assa-electronic.ro loaded' in there? |
| 09:49.57 | roland | xingu: thats my current ip address, and i modified it trough webform and email confirmation at the roTLD website |
| 09:50.00 | Shadur | mr_simpson: Please fuck the hell off and spam somewhere else. |
| 09:50.02 | roland | so if you do a whois you see thats my ns ip |
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| 09:50.23 | roland | Shadur: May 23 08:46:49 server named[2233]: zone assa-electronic.ro/IN: loaded serial 6 |
| 09:50.47 | babilen | but, does anybody know if the documentation on APT::Default-Release is incorrect, in stating that only the aforementioned identifiers are valid, as "xand" states? |
| 09:50.57 | babilen | i will file a bug in that case |
| 09:50.57 | xingu | roland: in that case you need to wait for their zone update; dig @primary.rotld.ro assa-electronic.ro ns reports NS at 89.137.108.222 |
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| 09:51.14 | roland | oh |
| 09:51.16 | roland | oh my God |
| 09:51.18 | roland | so thats the reason |
| 09:51.24 | Shadur | roland: Brilliant work, there. |
| 09:51.24 | roland | it didnt finish propagating |
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| 09:51.26 | xingu | roland: I'm guessing they're still operating a once-daily whois->glue building pass. |
| 09:51.38 | dondelelcaro | wykis: you mean you've reinstalled libxslt1, right? |
| 09:51.54 | xingu | roland: their faqs or phone support should tell you what their policy is in that dimension |
| 09:51.54 | wykis | yes dondelelcaro |
| 09:52.06 | PingFloyd | babilen: you might check with the mailing list |
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| 09:52.11 | roland | my bind config and router config is ok but my modification of the nameserver ip didnt finish propagating in their DNS even if whois says the current ip is associated with my dns server |
| 09:52.19 | roland | i must wait until it will work |
| 09:52.21 | spheard | dondelelcaro: Im working from this howto, no mentionion of --initrd. Is there anything else Im likely to have missed? http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html#BUILD-KERNEL-PKG |
| 09:52.31 | Shadur | roland: Between TTLs and the tendency of TLD server policies not to update every ten seconds, you should expect at least a day or so for a DNS change to be propagated. |
| 09:52.33 | babilen | PingFloyd: yes... |
| 09:52.35 | xingu | roland: yes; because they build glue periodically (not dynamically) - probably on a daily refresh. |
| 09:52.54 | roland | yeah, i will keep this in mind :) |
| 09:52.57 | babilen | ok, thnxs for the help. it has been a pleasure as always! |
| 09:53.02 | roland | i was not far from panic'ing .. im at job you know ^^ |
| 09:53.04 | dondelelcaro | wykis: give us the output of dpkg -l scrolkeeper libxslt1; ldd scrollkeeper-update; [use a paste site to do so] |
| 09:53.13 | xingu | roland: nb, this is why most of the planet puts NS records at the /far/ end of their WAN link and delegates to at least two ns's in different AS's. |
| 09:53.50 | dondelelcaro | spheard: that how to is kind of micky-mouse |
| 09:53.53 | dondelelcaro | !kp mantra |
| 09:53.54 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. Add MAKEFLAGS="HOSTCC=gcc-3.3 CC=gcc-3.3" before each command if you're building an older kernel |
| 09:54.05 | dondelelcaro | spheard: see above. |
| 09:54.15 | wykis | dondelelcaro: that's odd, http://rafb.net/p/8EEJEV43.txt |
| 09:54.19 | dondelelcaro | (or see the kernel-package documentation, which is far superior) |
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| 09:54.33 | spheard | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 09:54.50 | Shadur | roland: There's a little tradition ISPs have of server swapping; a little deal between two ISPs that involves each hosting a DNS server for the other at no charge. |
| 09:55.20 | roland | so again, in the future if i encounter a dns problem like this after i have changed IP/router/whatever in my network and updated bind config etc . but DNS still doesnt work wahts the command to check to see if TLD has updated their info of my nameserver IP so i can see when its ready? |
| 09:55.25 | xingu | roland: nb; whatever is on the far end of 89.137.12.19 is not presently authoritative for assa-electronic.ro. |
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| 09:56.03 | roland | xingu: i thought the problem was with the TLD not finished propagating the change |
| 09:56.08 | roland | so i DO have a problem? |
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| 09:56.17 | xingu | roland: whois (check for nameserver: record) followed by dig @ relevant cctld (in this case primary.rotld.ro |
| 09:56.23 | xingu | roland: yes, in addition to the above. |
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| 09:57.14 | roland | heck.. |
| 09:57.22 | xingu | roland: if you get really lucky your router itself is eating all port 53 traffic |
| 09:57.33 | xingu | roland: and resolving it with a cache-only resolver |
| 09:57.44 | roland | i have the same router model i had before (ipTime VE) and i had dns working ok before |
| 10:02.25 | xingu | roland: has this equipment (router, internal dns) ever worked before? |
| 10:02.25 | fishsponge | dondelelcaro: our server won't boot from hdb, so we're swapping the drives over |
| 10:02.25 | roland | shit |
| 10:02.25 | xingu | roland: still here |
| 10:02.25 | roland | xingu: yes, i changed the router with one of the same model |
| 10:02.26 | scx | why that happen? |
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| 10:02.26 | roland | and the other router worked fine before |
| 10:02.26 | scx | the lefts I mean |
| 10:02.30 | dondelelcaro | fishsponge: you really should fix that; it should be able to boot from either drive |
| 10:02.35 | xingu | roland: ok; we need to verify firstly that the queries are actually reaching the host you think is your dns |
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| 10:02.46 | roland | i allowed port forwarding on ports tcp/udp 53 |
| 10:02.47 | fishsponge | are we going to be able to boot to the old hdb that is now hda? |
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| 10:02.49 | scx | yah that |
| 10:02.49 | xingu | roland: install tcpdump on it and run tcpdump -ni ethX port 53 |
| 10:02.50 | fishsponge | i know it should be able to boot from either drive, but i can't fix my server's bios! lol |
| 10:02.50 | xingu | roland: where ethX is your internet-facing interface on that box. |
| 10:02.50 | roland | xingu: my dns (And apache server) is 192.168.0.8 on my lan |
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| 10:02.50 | roland | ok i'll install that |
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| 10:02.50 | xingu | roland: then I'll fire an soa query for your zone at you and we'll see if it reaches it. |
| 10:02.50 | fishsponge | so my colleague who is over there is swapping both drives over |
| 10:02.50 | fishsponge | so the blank is now hdb, and what was hdb is now hda |
| 10:02.51 | roland | xingu: ok thanks |
| 10:02.51 | spheard | !kp mantra |
| 10:02.51 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. Add MAKEFLAGS="HOSTCC=gcc-3.3 CC=gcc-3.3" before each command if you're building an older kernel |
| 10:02.51 | fishsponge | are we going to be able to boot up this way? |
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| 10:02.52 | dondelelcaro | fishsponge: you should be able to |
| 10:02.52 | spheard | In the kernel config mantra it repeats make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image |
| 10:02.52 | dondelelcaro | wykis: could you dpkg -l scrollkeeper and tell me the version? |
| 10:02.53 | roland | xingu: tcpdump -ni eth0 port 53 |
| 10:02.53 | roland | this is command? |
| 10:02.53 | wykis | dondelelcaro: 0.3.14-13 |
| 10:02.53 | xingu | roland: yes, probably; assuming eth0 is your internet-facing network adapter name. |
| 10:02.53 | spheard | Im having difficulty getting my head round what the mantra's doing. I get the clean bit at the beginning, then another clean, then build? |
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| 10:02.53 | roland | xingu: just entered it and is listening on eth0 |
| 10:02.53 | dondelelcaro | wykis: ok, that depends on libxslt1.1; try reinstalling it and scrollkeeper. If that fails, give the output from the reinstall attempt |
| 10:02.54 | xingu | roland: ok incoming; you should see some dns queries for assa-electronic.ro soon. |
| 10:02.54 | xingu | roland: see any? |
| 10:02.54 | tarzeau | someone tried irrlamb yet? http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=irrlamb |
| 10:02.54 | roland | umm |
| 10:02.55 | roland | on the screen directly or in logs? |
| 10:02.55 | xingu | roland: on that screen directly |
| 10:02.56 | roland | nope not anything appears there |
| 10:02.56 | roland | maybe its router config at fault |
| 10:03.00 | roland | but i dont understand why, it has opened ports 53 and redirect to 192.168.0.8 |
| 10:03.08 | xingu | roland: yes, it seems so; whatever is at 89.137.12.19 is replying with partially formed root referrals. (NS records but no A records in additional answers) |
| 10:03.43 | wykis | dondelelcaro: http://rafb.net/p/XH6jzg90.txt |
| 10:03.51 | xingu | roland: check that the firmware is the same release level first; then eyeball the two router configs in detail |
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| 10:04.05 | xingu | roland: particularly as they relate to any internal dns proxying/ caching functionality. |
| 10:04.42 | xingu | roland: my best current guess is that your router is eating the port 53 traffic and gating it to its own dns proxy long before it hits the port forward/ dmz function |
| 10:04.48 | dondelelcaro | wykis: reinstall both scrollkeeper and xslt1.1 at the same time |
| 10:04.52 | xingu | roland: but this could be a complete red herring. |
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| 10:05.44 | xingu | roland: nb the port 80 forward seems to be working. |
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| 10:06.33 | xingu | roland: in the mean time; please repeat my test case locally; $ dig @192.168.0.8 assa-electronica.ro. soa +norecurse |
| 10:07.37 | xingu | roland: if that can retrieve your soa, serial=6 and all, then the only other thing to establish is that 192.168.0.8 has 89.137.12.19 listed as its only ns |
| 10:07.44 | wykis | dondelelcaro: http://rafb.net/p/stnh1345.txt |
| 10:08.06 | xingu | roland: the command for that last is - $ dig @192.168.0.8 assa-electronica.ro. ns +recurse |
| 10:08.46 | xingu | man, you'd think I did this as a day job or something |
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| 10:09.46 | dondelelcaro | wykis: hrm; just verify that /usr/lib/libxslt.so.1 points at /usr/lib/libxslt.so.1.1.19, if you would |
| 10:09.59 | dondelelcaro | wykis: and a whereis libxslt.so.1; may also be useful |
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| 10:10.09 | wykis | 1.1.20, it is |
| 10:10.50 | wykis | dondelelcaro: http://rafb.net/p/G9OVZB72.txt |
| 10:11.01 | wykis | should I get 1.1.19 installed? I'm on sid/unstable |
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| 10:11.56 | roland | xingu: http://www.pastebin.ca/504902 |
| 10:12.26 | markus | does anyone know of a smtp daemon or plugin that stores all mail into a sql database instead of the filesystem? |
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| 10:12.32 | xingu | dondelelcaro, wykis: nb the sym being complained about is in libxml2 |
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| 10:13.00 | xingu | dondelelcaro, wykis: which libxslt is linked against. |
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| 10:13.51 | dondelelcaro | xingu: err, good catch. not paying close enough attention here |
| 10:14.11 | Ryiel_ | Hey guys, Any idea how to set my mouse to get all the 5 buttons work on it? It's a microsoft laser mouse 6000. thanks in advance |
| 10:14.27 | dondelelcaro | wykis: you're going to want to reinstall libxml2, as well, and run a whereis libxml2; |
| 10:14.41 | wykis | okay, will try that |
| 10:14.57 | wykis | (though I have done it) |
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| 10:16.06 | fishsponge | dondelelcaro: ok, we;ve swapped the drives, booted up, partitioned the blank drive (hdb) and added the partitions to each array. it is now rsyncing. |
| 10:16.17 | wykis | whoa, this is odd; it seems to work now, just checking |
| 10:16.28 | wykis | yep, it is rebuilding the database. thanks xingu, dondelelcaro !:) |
| 10:16.33 | dondelelcaro | wykis: cool |
| 10:16.36 | wykis | yey! |
| 10:16.37 | dondelelcaro | fishsponge: cool |
| 10:16.39 | fishsponge | in order to install the MBR and grub onto the new blank hdb drive, can i just run the *exact* same commands you gave me earlier to do it? |
| 10:16.45 | dondelelcaro | fishsponge: yerp |
| 10:16.49 | fishsponge | excellent! |
| 10:16.52 | fishsponge | thank you so much! |
| 10:16.56 | wykis | very appreciated :] |
| 10:17.08 | roland | xingu: http://www.pastebin.ca/504902 |
| 10:17.25 | xingu | roland: still waiting for the first link to load too |
| 10:17.27 | dondelelcaro | markus: I've seen some, but I personally think you'd be much happer shoving all mail into maildirs rather than using an sql databsae |
| 10:17.42 | xingu | roland: can you try a different pastebot? |
| 10:17.56 | xingu | roland: sorry, just pastebin.ca is treacly here for some reason |
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| 10:19.13 | markus | dondelelcaro: i've only seen plugins to store login-data into sql dbs. do you remember a name of such a system? |
| 10:19.15 | Overflow | hello, what is the best way to istall .deb file, i usually extract if and make them myself but... |
| 10:19.26 | dondelelcaro | markus: the last one I saw was proprietary, actually. |
| 10:19.38 | markus | oh ok |
| 10:19.42 | Overflow | sorr for beeing a newb on you.. |
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| 10:19.48 | dondelelcaro | markus: and there for reasons of throughput they were going back to a filesystem store with the database holding the metadata |
| 10:19.54 | dondelelcaro | Overflow: dpkg -i foo.deb; |
| 10:20.04 | Overflow | thx |
| 10:20.07 | dondelelcaro | Overflow: but you really should just be using aptitude to install packages from a Debian mirror. |
| 10:20.21 | Overflow | yeah that i do.. |
| 10:20.31 | xingu | markus: there's no data/relation in a message body; it's all in the metadata; and things like cyrus mailserver already build a database for that... |
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| 10:20.39 | Overflow | but im installing something that is not there |
| 10:20.40 | roland | xingu: ok i'll try another pastebin, tell me one |
| 10:20.57 | markus | dondelelcaro: the interesting thing about storing everything into a db would be 1. usage of triggers on messages and 2. replication |
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| 10:21.14 | xingu | roland: try http://channels.debian.net/paste/ ? |
| 10:21.36 | xingu | markus: rsync is very very good at solving fs<->fs replication issues. |
| 10:21.56 | xingu | markus: as is aoe/nbd/iscsi |
| 10:22.20 | markus | oh well.. i'd prefer everything in a db.. gotta start rolling my own mta plugin then |
| 10:22.30 | roland | xingu: http://paste.debian.net/28652 |
| 10:23.49 | dondelelcaro | markus: well, replication is pretty easy for maildirs and filesystems |
| 10:24.05 | dondelelcaro | markus: and triggering on messages is generally best done using procmail or similar |
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| 10:26.01 | markus | can i use procmail to store msgs into a db? (i am all for the db, because i need some kind of searchable message history) |
| 10:26.33 | xingu | roland: perfect. |
| 10:26.43 | Zemus | My name isn't roland. |
| 10:26.52 | xingu | roland: so the only remaining concern is how the router is mangling your traffic |
| 10:27.20 | roland | xingu: does this mean that bind config is ok ? :D |
| 10:27.23 | roland | just router config |
| 10:27.28 | roland | ok |
| 10:27.53 | xingu | roland: just router config precisely, and, glue funkiness on your registry (probably will fix inside 24h if they're the same as most) |
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| 10:28.01 | roland | could you take a look in my router config , if i dont ask too much ? |
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| 10:28.07 | roland | in browser |
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| 10:28.26 | zepeuga | what i need to install to iw3945 works ? |
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| 10:28.34 | xingu | !ipw3945 |
| 10:28.34 | dpkg | from memory, ipw3945 is http://ipw3945.sourceforge.net/, or for etch and above (kernel >= 2.6.18) is needed, add contrib and non-free sources and 'apt-get install module-assistant ipw3945-source firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d; m-a prepare; m-a a-i ipw3945-source' |
| 10:28.59 | xingu | roland: I can look but unless it's linux or cisco no promises. :) |
| 10:29.11 | roland | xingu: its linux based :D iptables :) |
| 10:29.15 | xingu | roland: nb you probably want to /msg me the link |
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| 10:29.20 | roland | sure |
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| 10:29.22 | roland | thanks |
| 10:29.24 | xingu | roland: in that case iptables --list -n -v |
| 10:29.32 | roland | xingu: it has web interface no CLI :) |
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| 10:31.46 | roland | brb 3 min |
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| 10:32.03 | JosefAss1d | markus: dbmail |
| 10:32.16 | cn | hello |
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| 10:32.36 | cn | does this "kernel: zero position is read" mean something to somebody? |
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| 10:39.32 | roland | hmm remote management of router doesnt work |
| 10:39.39 | roland | ill have to configure it myself |
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| 10:40.00 | Zemus | >.> |
| 10:40.03 | Zemus | roland, why not? |
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| 10:41.33 | roland | Zemus, dunno, i enabled Remote Management on port 8000, it started but when i entered my ip and port it says it cant connect |
| 10:41.55 | Zemus | :< |
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| 10:42.14 | Zemus | URGH that's annoying. |
| 10:43.51 | me_here | how do i enable the a /proc/splash, according to my .config in sources list BOOT_SPLASH is defined and i recompiled kernel also but there's no /proc/splash there ?? /etc/init.d/bootsplash checks for /proc/splash though .... is there a way ? |
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| 10:46.35 | roland | xingu: you have linux certification? |
| 10:46.58 | xingu | roland: hah. |
| 10:47.33 | roland | how did you learn so much |
| 10:47.35 | roland | books? |
| 10:47.39 | roland | or experience? |
| 10:47.40 | xingu | roland: I've escaped without needing any of that crap this far :) |
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| 10:47.51 | xingu | roland: breaking things and fixing them; sometimes the former on my own dime. |
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| 10:52.56 | Muisje | How can i view CPU temperature? |
| 10:53.01 | Muisje | in debian... |
| 10:53.14 | Muisje | Cause my server got to warm |
| 10:53.20 | Muisje | and shut down twice already |
| 10:53.21 | xingu | if your acpi supports it - acpi -t |
| 10:53.42 | Muisje | 73 degrees celcius |
| 10:53.43 | Muisje | omg... |
| 10:54.01 | Muisje | 2 more degrees and it halts |
| 10:54.17 | xingu | fan broken? |
| 10:54.24 | Muisje | no |
| 10:54.28 | xingu | poor thermal paste between heatsink and cpu? |
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| 10:54.35 | Muisje | probably |
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| 10:54.56 | Muisje | i think i just should get a stronger fan |
| 10:55.04 | xingu | Muisje: what kernel are you using? |
| 10:55.07 | xingu | Muisje: ie uname -r |
| 10:55.32 | Muisje | 2.6.18 |
| 10:55.48 | xingu | Muisje: try modprobe acpi-cpufreq |
| 10:56.01 | xingu | Muisje: if that loads, modprobe conservative |
| 10:56.02 | Muisje | FATAL: Error inserting acpi_cpufreq (/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-k7/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/acpi-cpufreq.ko): No such device |
| 10:56.18 | xingu | Muisje: well bollocks to that idea; what cpu type is it? |
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| 10:56.57 | cn | bye folks |
| 10:57.06 | Muisje | AMD Athlon XP 3200+ |
| 10:57.15 | xingu | Muisje: try modprobe powernow-k8 |
| 10:57.26 | xingu | Muisje: if that works again modprobe conservative |
| 10:57.57 | Muisje | actually |
| 10:57.57 | Muisje | AMD Athlon(tm) XP 3000+ |
| 10:58.13 | Muisje | still no such device |
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| 10:59.16 | xingu | Muisje: in that case you'll need a physical-layer solution; those modules would let you use speedstep/acpi/powernow to control clock rate |
| 10:59.41 | xingu | Muisje: ie dynamically as a function of system load which would tend to reduce thermal output |
| 10:59.59 | Muisje | top - 12:59:34 up 26 min, 1 user, load average: 0.07, 0.07, 0.08 |
| 11:00.04 | xingu | Muisje: but for you, you probably need better cooling because you have no acpi or powernow support |
| 11:00.22 | Muisje | i have an old motherboard |
| 11:00.33 | Muisje | it's like atleast 3 years old |
| 11:00.49 | Muisje | i just recently upgraded CPU from 2000 to 3000 |
| 11:00.56 | Muisje | because the server became slow |
| 11:00.59 | xingu | Muisje: is there a newer bios for it? |
| 11:01.07 | Muisje | i'd suppose i could check |
| 11:01.16 | Muisje | but is there really a need to? |
| 11:01.29 | Muisje | Cause better cooling is probably just what it needs. |
| 11:01.47 | Muisje | Too bad the motherboard doesn't allow me to set shutdown temperature to 80 degree's celcius |
| 11:01.54 | Muisje | just so i can i be sure it's not going to cook itself |
| 11:02.02 | xingu | fair enough; newer bios, newer acpi, possible acpi or powernow support |
| 11:02.25 | xingu | probably better ventilation is the correct answer though |
| 11:02.41 | xingu | should be able to run full pelt 24x7 without triggering thermal shutdown, and obviously can't |
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| 11:02.55 | xingu | so better cooling is best answer I guess; or underclock it. |
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| 11:03.25 | Muisje | the reason why its upgraded |
| 11:03.30 | Muisje | is because its needed |
| 11:03.35 | Muisje | so underclocking isn't an option :P |
| 11:04.10 | wols_ | Muisje: do you have lmsensors running? |
| 11:04.10 | Muisje | its 74 degrees now |
| 11:04.12 | wols_ | what are your temps? |
| 11:04.17 | Muisje | 1 degree away from shutdown |
| 11:04.50 | Muisje | imsensors? |
| 11:04.50 | Muisje | wth is that |
| 11:04.50 | wols_ | Muisje: what is your cooler? what kind do you have? |
| 11:04.50 | Muisje | just some standard coolmaster thiny |
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| 11:04.50 | wols_ | lm_sensors is the kernel stuff that reads temps |
| 11:05.01 | wols_ | Muisje: what are your mobo temps? |
| 11:05.02 | Muisje | i use acpi -t |
| 11:05.05 | Muisje | no idea |
| 11:05.08 | kryl | hi, is there any way to ask grub to load an iso livecd image from boot ? |
| 11:05.16 | Muisje | how could i see wols_? |
| 11:05.16 | kryl | - or lilo ? - |
| 11:05.25 | wols_ | install lm_nsesors, acpi on a desktop mobo especially old one is anything but reliable |
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| 11:05.34 | wols_ | so is lm_sensors but it's at least better |
| 11:05.40 | wols_ | !lm_sensors |
| 11:05.40 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, lm_sensors is a hardware health monitoring package that performs CPU temperature, fan speed monitoring, etc. via kernel modules. apt-get install lm-sensors. For kernel 2.4 see the package description or lm-sensors-source. http://secure.netroedge.com/~lm78/ |
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| 11:05.50 | wols_ | also: try mbmon first. it's easier to use |
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| 11:06.42 | Muisje | well wols_ |
| 11:06.47 | wols_ | kryl: try chainloading from the cdrom device with grub |
| 11:06.49 | Muisje | the shutdown temperature is 75 degrees |
| 11:06.55 | Muisje | so yeah the acpi could be very correct |
| 11:07.02 | tmroland | xingu: could you check now the dns ? |
| 11:07.11 | Muisje | installed lm-sensors |
| 11:07.12 | tmroland | i allowed all trafic WAN-> LAN and LAN-> WAN without restrictions |
| 11:07.19 | tmroland | on router |
| 11:07.20 | Muisje | how i ca use it? |
| 11:07.25 | wols_ | Muisje: that might be but as long as it doesn't tell you the ambient temp of the cpu aka the mobo temp, you don't know what to cool better |
| 11:08.00 | wols_ | I told you to use mbmon first since it's easier to use |
| 11:08.35 | Muisje | Temp.= 40.0, 73.5, 0.0; Rot.= 0, 4272, 0 |
| 11:08.35 | Muisje | Vcore = 1.63, 0.00; Volt. = 3.12, 4.54, 11.92, 1.46, 5.11 |
| 11:08.36 | wols_ | basically you either need a new cpu heatsink or a new case fan/case ventilation |
| 11:08.43 | kryl | wols I have no CDR ! That's the problem I can't burn the image :-( |
| 11:08.48 | wols_ | ok. that 40° is too hot imho |
| 11:08.57 | wols_ | which in turn pushes your CPU temp |
| 11:09.03 | wols_ | what is your room temperature? |
| 11:09.16 | Muisje | 20 degrees celcius |
| 11:09.19 | wols_ | kryl: what have you installed right now? |
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| 11:09.33 | tmroland | A timeout occurred getting the NS records from your nameservers! None of your nameservers responded fast enough. They are probably down or unreachable. I can't continue since your nameservers aren't responding. I |
| 11:09.38 | wols_ | way too hot. atthat, your temp should be around 30° for mobo |
| 11:09.55 | Muisje | lol |
| 11:09.57 | wols_ | meaning if you can get that 10° down, your CPU would be 10° cooler too |
| 11:10.07 | Muisje | so |
| 11:10.13 | Muisje | you suggest i add in a case cooler? |
| 11:10.34 | wols_ | go and buy a 8mm casefan in some PC store. should be 10USD or less |
| 11:10.45 | wols_ | for a stopgap measure, open the case of your PC |
| 11:10.52 | wols_ | 80mm casefan |
| 11:10.58 | kryl | wols_, I can download a 64bit livecd image but I can't burn it :) ... (I have no cdr) and I can't chroot 64bit from 32bits too ... |
| 11:11.16 | wols_ | kryl: I asked you what you have right now. not what you can do |
| 11:12.25 | kryl | I can use a 32b linux and internet connection without problem |
| 11:12.32 | wols_ | Muisje: unless it's high summer and it has 30°C outside you shouldn't have a PC with 40° inside |
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| 11:12.49 | wols_ | kryl: get a 64bit kernel then |
| 11:13.02 | wols_ | then you can chroot to 64bit |
| 11:13.30 | kryl | I need to have /bin/bash in 64b too ? |
| 11:13.31 | kryl | no |
| 11:13.40 | Noborusan | hi wols_ ,would you think if this thread is usually right that the more ram the more powerful for a server ? |
| 11:13.42 | wols_ | no what? |
| 11:13.45 | wols_ | why can't you? |
| 11:14.16 | wols_ | Noborusan: deepends what the server does. a fileservre doesn't need ram but storage speed and network speed for example |
| 11:14.34 | wols_ | RAMsize mainly depends on your normal workingset |
| 11:14.34 | Noborusan | wols_, it is a webhosting server |
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| 11:14.50 | kryl | wols_, I don't know :) |
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| 11:15.01 | Noborusan | wols_, php + mysql |
| 11:15.19 | kryl | wols_, it said : chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': Erreur de format pour exec() |
| 11:15.42 | wols_ | kryl: what did you do? and what kernel do you run right now? |
| 11:16.21 | wols_ | and: you can intall 64bit debian with a 32bit debootstrap I think as well |
| 11:16.57 | wols_ | Noborusan: basically only the DB needs RAM in that setup |
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| 11:18.10 | Noborusan | wols_, is it very effective for DB to improve formance by upgrading RAM ? |
| 11:18.21 | Noborusan | performance* |
| 11:18.25 | Muisje | yes |
| 11:18.31 | Zemus | DB? |
| 11:18.35 | Muisje | Database.. |
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| 11:18.42 | J_P | hi all |
| 11:18.44 | Zemus | k. :P |
| 11:18.50 | Muisje | Noborusan the more ram you got, the more there can be cached. |
| 11:18.50 | Zemus | Hello, J_P. |
| 11:18.58 | Muisje | Caching really helps databases retrieving data faster |
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| 11:19.10 | Muisje | since they just can cache the most requested information |
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| 11:19.22 | Muisje | Also CPU reads way faster from ram then from harddisk |
| 11:19.48 | Muisje | Works like this: CPU -> cpu cache -> mem -> harddisk |
| 11:20.01 | wols_ | Noborusan: up to a point yes. which depends ont eh DB you have |
| 11:20.28 | Muisje | wols_ i upgraded 256 ram to 1024 ram and using MySQL i definitly noticed a difference |
| 11:20.33 | wols_ | Noborusan: if you don#t have enough RAM, there is swapping and your DB will be slower at a factor of 10 to 100 |
| 11:20.36 | Noborusan | thanks Muisje and wols_ ,i meant 'mysql' |
| 11:20.47 | wols_ | so it all depends how big your DB is |
| 11:20.55 | wols_ | and how many people share the server |
| 11:21.10 | Muisje | You mean how many requests for data there is wols_ |
| 11:21.25 | wols_ | No I mean how big the usually workingset of the DB is |
| 11:21.30 | Muisje | you can't tell that by the amount of people sharing it |
| 11:21.34 | kryl | wols_, I have to compile again my kernel thx u |
| 11:21.39 | kryl | wols_, I'll be back later |
| 11:21.41 | kryl | :) |
| 11:21.46 | wols_ | the Data requests are dependent on CPU and RAM speed to fetcht hat data (and network) |
| 11:22.10 | Muisje | Well Network is not something you can just change immediatly |
| 11:22.16 | wols_ | provided there is enough ram of course |
| 11:22.18 | Muisje | ram and cpu can be changed immediatly |
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| 11:22.24 | niere | hi |
| 11:22.30 | wols_ | and network usually is so much slower it rarely factors in, yes :) |
| 11:22.30 | Muisje | Noborusan give some specs of your system please |
| 11:22.33 | wols_ | at least over the internet |
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| 11:22.52 | xingu | Noborusan: more importantly, the more memory you have, the more elaborate you can make your indexing strategy; however spending time on data normalisation is usually a far better pick than spending cash on hardware. |
| 11:22.55 | Noborusan | The CPU is a pentium D 915 dual core,by the way,im not sure if there are extend jobs i should do on debian to use this type of cpu property ? |
| 11:22.55 | wols_ | Noborusan: and especially what you wanna do, and maybe how many users you expect pre day perhaps |
| 11:23.04 | Muisje | wols_ network isn't a server item :P |
| 11:23.07 | xingu | Noborusan: see http://www.datamodel.org/NormalizationRules.html as a starter. |
| 11:23.21 | wols_ | Noborusan: what "extend jobs"? |
| 11:23.22 | Muisje | A server is connected to a network not builtin ;) |
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| 11:23.33 | wols_ | Muisje: well.... there is the NIC :P |
| 11:23.34 | niere | is there a way to find out which packages from a certain debian release (oldstable/sarge in this case) are installed on a machine? |
| 11:23.51 | Muisje | Noborusan please tell me the clockrate of the cpu, memory info, type of harddisk |
| 11:23.59 | Muisje | wols_ that's an interface card |
| 11:24.02 | Muisje | not a network :P |
| 11:24.02 | dondelelcaro | niere: apt-cache policy foopkg; will give you an idea |
| 11:24.15 | Noborusan | Muisje, right now it is PD 915,intel 7230 motherboard,2G kingston DDR2 667 <1gb x2 dual channel mode>. 160g wd 1600ys enterprise class hdd. |
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| 11:24.17 | Muisje | the actual network is outside the server |
| 11:24.21 | wols_ | niere: etch packages all have "etch" int here I think. lenny and sid don't however |
| 11:24.28 | Muisje | lol... |
| 11:24.34 | Noborusan | Muisje, this motherboard now has 2 dimm sockets left. |
| 11:24.48 | Muisje | 2 gb should be pretty much enough |
| 11:24.58 | Muisje | i host a game which causes shitloads of loads/mem usage |
| 11:25.09 | Muisje | cause there are like 10-30 people continuesly on it |
| 11:25.14 | wols_ | Noborusan: if you use that machine alone, you'd need to host a quite big forum to use it up |
| 11:25.15 | Noborusan | wols_, extend jobs,i.e. to do stuff to let debian to recognize this dual core cpu and make it work as well as intel planned it to be. |
| 11:25.17 | Muisje | browsing and doing stuff that requires DB loading and changing |
| 11:25.20 | wols_ | I wouldn't get more ram right now |
| 11:25.35 | Muisje | I think you got enough ram |
| 11:25.36 | niere | dondelelcaro: i'll look into that, thanks |
| 11:25.52 | wols_ | Noborusan: no. all you need is to install a -i686 optimized kernel, and possibly a i686 optimized libc6 |
| 11:25.56 | wols_ | that's all |
| 11:26.00 | Muisje | 2gb of ram should be enough for any pc as a dick of 20 cm is long enough for any man |
| 11:26.22 | Noborusan | Muisje, cpu runs at 800mhz, memeory is generic kingston ddr 667, |
| 11:26.23 | wols_ | Muisje: sometimes bigger machines are needed but rarely |
| 11:26.28 | xand | 640K is enough for everyone! |
| 11:26.38 | Muisje | omg |
| 11:26.42 | niere | wols_: hm, that doesn't help much, since many packages don't have the release name in it |
| 11:26.45 | wols_ | heck, a high end game machine has more than 2GB nowadays... |
| 11:26.46 | Muisje | Noborusan 800mhz? get a new CPU :p |
| 11:26.51 | niere | wols_: but thanks anyway *g* |
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| 11:26.58 | xingu | Noborusan: nb; I must reiterate, you will never extract the performance you're expecting to extract from sql engines until you take your first teetering steps on the route to the mecca of onf. |
| 11:27.00 | wols_ | niere: packages actually from etch should |
| 11:27.04 | Noborusan | wols_, i can do that when i recompile kernel ? |
| 11:27.04 | Muisje | you're like back into the history |
| 11:27.23 | wols_ | Noborusan: you can but you don#t have to. debian has a i686 kernel |
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| 11:27.36 | Muisje | i think any server these days should atleast have a clockspeed of 1,2 gb and 1,8 gb or more preferred |
| 11:27.41 | Noborusan | wols_, i see |
| 11:27.44 | xingu | Noborusan: once you do start that journey, there will be a point to your indexes and your cpu dcache, and the world will be happy for you. |
| 11:27.53 | wols_ | Muisje: he talked about FSB. not clockspeed |
| 11:27.59 | Muisje | ow |
| 11:28.00 | niere | wols_: ok. but i'm looking for sarge packages, and it doesn't seem to be the case for many of those |
| 11:28.01 | Muisje | ok... |
| 11:28.05 | wols_ | a P815 has in the civintiy of 3GHz |
| 11:28.05 | Muisje | I was already thinking |
| 11:28.14 | Muisje | ddr 667 with a 800 mhz cpu... |
| 11:28.25 | Noborusan | oh yeah,fsb,sorry. this cpu is from intel pentium D 915,which has 2x2MB L2 cache |
| 11:28.27 | wols_ | niere: are you running etch? and if yes: didn#t you do a dist-upgrade? |
| 11:28.31 | Muisje | i'm more of an amd fan |
| 11:28.35 | Muisje | don't know the names of intel |
| 11:28.42 | wols_ | Muisje: P4 is weird |
| 11:28.54 | Muisje | Intel = a sick company if you ask me |
| 11:29.00 | wols_ | Muisje: and ou'd be wrong |
| 11:29.02 | Noborusan | Muisje, yeah,i selected ddr2,cuz ecc ddr2 is expensive. |
| 11:29.12 | xingu | Noborusan: also, non-normalised data queries run like liquid poo on threaded sql engines. |
| 11:29.17 | Muisje | Noborusan you're server probably owns my pc |
| 11:29.22 | wols_ | they currently and probably at least for the next 2 years or so kick AMDs behind six ways to sunday unfortunately |
| 11:29.31 | Spliffster | hi, i am having trouble with Xvfb in etch. in a very minimal installation (Xvfb and it's dependencies only) Xvfb does not work, then xorg-xserver is installed it seems to work. looks like a dependency problem ? |
| 11:29.39 | niere | wols_: i'm running etch, yes, but it's for a development machine where i sometimes have to install different versions of library/header packages |
| 11:29.46 | Noborusan | xingu, i will need to run mysql,that is all. |
| 11:29.48 | wols_ | !tell Spliffster about doesn't work |
| 11:30.02 | Spliffster | wols_: ty ... error is coming ... still pasting |
| 11:30.11 | wols_ | niere: that's what chroots and VMs are for. NOT a development machine |
| 11:30.15 | Muisje | nop xingu |
| 11:30.30 | wols_ | xingu: it's mysql. did you have to ask? |
| 11:30.41 | wols_ | tho mysql has pluggable eninges, so one of the better ones might be :) |
| 11:30.53 | Muisje | mysql is an easy to use , not a professional database brand |
| 11:31.07 | niere | wols_: ok, a development vm |
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| 11:31.28 | Muisje | These are my PC specs |
| 11:31.28 | Muisje | Processor: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+, MMX, 3DNow (2 CPUs), ~2.4GHz |
| 11:31.29 | wols_ | niere: in that case you'd install simply sarge. so you had a known baseline |
| 11:31.29 | Spliffster | here is the output of Xvfb http://pastebin.mozilla.org/71038, note, the network is working propperly |
| 11:31.38 | Muisje | RAM: Used: 735/2048MB (35% Load) |
| 11:31.47 | wols_ | Muisje: your athlon beats a P4 915 easily |
| 11:31.49 | Muisje | HD: [C:] 41.76/133.84 GB [D:BUFFER] 4.14/19.52 GB [G:Disk 4 Partition 1] 1.75/28.62 GB [H:unsorted] 339.97/372.60 GB [M:Muziek] 17.29/75.00 GB [O:Overige] 7.55/158.75 GB |
| 11:31.56 | wols_ | Muisje: stop that crap |
| 11:32.05 | wols_ | do we look like we're on efnet in #mirc? |
| 11:32.05 | Muisje | it does? |
| 11:32.11 | Noborusan | Muisje, lol,yeah my server is a PC like :) |
| 11:32.26 | Muisje | well wols_ just 1 more item |
| 11:32.31 | Muisje | Video: Plug en Play on Radeon X1300 Series (1280x1024x32bpp 70Hz) |
| 11:32.56 | Muisje | wols_ you can say lots but if more people had these scripts |
| 11:33.08 | wols_ | then debian would be flooded |
| 11:33.09 | Muisje | it could be easier to find out what specs a person is using |
| 11:33.14 | xingu | wols_: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/mysql-threads.html |
| 11:33.17 | wols_ | and people would be even more kicked |
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| 11:33.19 | Muisje | of course only on request |
| 11:33.21 | Spliffster | wols_: does this error make any sense to you? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/71038 i have installed xvfb via apt-get (ftp) .. so networking is defenately functioning |
| 11:33.36 | wols_ | and I notice that you run windows. I don#t know of any such script kiddie script for a decent linux client |
| 11:33.40 | wols_ | well xchat might have one |
| 11:33.42 | doudou | Hi how do i install fsck.fat or something to check fat partitions? |
| 11:33.49 | Muisje | did i show what mobo i have? |
| 11:33.50 | wols_ | too bad most people here are irssi users :P |
| 11:33.55 | wols_ | !tell doudou about search |
| 11:33.59 | xingu | wols_: I bet that it doesn't start a new thread for non-interlocking parts of the query plan though. :) |
| 11:34.00 | Noborusan | i mean if i upgrade ram from 2gb to 4gb,will this be helpful or yes,but in a very little scale |
| 11:34.01 | wols_ | no you did not |
| 11:34.28 | wols_ | xingu: notice hw mysql and php4 are still standard on almost every hoster |
| 11:34.31 | Muisje | Asrock ALiveSATA2-GLAN |
| 11:34.50 | xingu | wols_: yep; and notice how no two are exactly alike? :) |
| 11:34.52 | Muisje | had to flash the bios in order to be able to address my old sata drive |
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| 11:34.59 | wols_ | I have a fairly decent one but I had to ask for php5/mysql5. they did it immediately tho |
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| 11:35.15 | Muisje | When i finally reinstall my PC |
| 11:35.20 | Muisje | it will be sooo uberfast |
| 11:35.24 | wols_ | and having frist played with php4 for that site, I wish I had thought of php5 sooner |
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| 11:35.34 | wols_ | Muisje: you run windows. you lie |
| 11:35.38 | Muisje | Since i'm using Winclogs, i have to reinstall the system like each 1 or 2 years |
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| 11:36.06 | Muisje | i never reinstalled since i upgraded my athlon64 3200+ to X2 4200+ |
| 11:36.18 | xingu | wols_: here's a db engine I've had my eye on for a while :- http://monetdb.cwi.nl/ |
| 11:36.21 | Muisje | winclogs still has files and drivers of my old cpu/mobo |
| 11:36.52 | Muisje | wols_ i can asure you |
| 11:36.57 | doudou | wols_, search what? google fsck.fat is pages in all king of languages linking to forums ? |
| 11:36.59 | Muisje | that when i reinstall my PC it will be way faster. |
| 11:37.11 | Muisje | And that's all to thank Mr. Microsoft for. |
| 11:37.13 | wols_ | !tell doudou about search |
| 11:37.15 | niere | wols_: thanks for your input :) |
| 11:37.21 | wols_ | doudou: now you got the 2nd message from dpkg |
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| 11:37.47 | wols_ | !customer |
| 11:37.47 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 11:38.16 | wols_ | xingu: I'm always sceptical of new software, especially server software |
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| 11:38.37 | wols_ | if i had to choose something now I guess postgres would be it |
| 11:38.40 | xingu | wols_: it's not "new" as such, it's been kicking around for a very long time. |
| 11:38.49 | wols_ | to my shame I never did anything with it: market pressures force mysql... |
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| 11:39.07 | wols_ | xingu: then the question is why hasn't it succeeded killing of the others when it's so good |
| 11:39.14 | wols_ | until now I never even heard its name |
| 11:39.32 | wols_ | I mean firebird or whatever it's called today I never seen used either, but I at least now it's name |
| 11:39.40 | xingu | wols_: it's been buried in academia; those that need to know about it, do. :) |
| 11:39.48 | wols_ | then som various OO DBs I sort of remember the name, Adabas, etc |
| 11:39.59 | abrotman | hehe .. i used to have a CD for adabas |
| 11:40.12 | wols_ | abrotman: it came with staroffice stuff |
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| 11:40.21 | abrotman | wols_: yep .. i think it was from roughly 2000 or so |
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| 11:40.40 | abrotman | wols_: it was in a pile with Corel Paint for linux or something like that :) |
| 11:40.44 | xingu | wols_: there's an impressive number of papers that have been published over various of its components |
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| 11:41.11 | wols_ | and I looked into printing addresses on letters. and the OOo help tells me about DBs. W T F? this was how far I came with OOo serial letter printing :P |
| 11:41.14 | abrotman | xingu: is it a research project to prove things ... or actually useful ? |
| 11:42.05 | xingu | abrotman: it's useful enough for some hedge funds to be using it in their rules engine at the business end. :) |
| 11:42.18 | xingu | "or so they say" he says in an entirely attribution free manner. |
| 11:42.49 | abrotman | so it's more of an embedded DB ? |
| 11:42.56 | wols_ | xingu: if only hedgefunds use it there must be a downside? |
| 11:43.02 | xingu | intriniscally embeddable |
| 11:43.15 | xingu | wols_: you've already hit them - exposure/ documentation/ domain knowledge |
| 11:43.21 | wols_ | I mean they use good stuff, butthey don't care about fairly big caveats etierh when it does what they need |
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| 11:43.58 | xingu | best answer is - if you have the time, get it, spin it up, and make a call. |
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| 11:44.44 | xingu | it'll pay off if you have a wide (say 4-8socket) system |
| 11:45.00 | xingu | if you need to employ off the shelf dba's - it won't work so well. |
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| 11:46.38 | xingu | what I will say is that it's possible to wring /latencies/ out of it that are not possible with anything else for large datasets. |
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| 11:50.14 | wols_ | xingu: what license btw? |
| 11:50.19 | wols_ | can't see anything on their site |
| 11:50.36 | xingu | wols_: mpl derivative |
| 11:50.44 | xingu | wols_: http://monetdb.cwi.nl/projects/monetdb/Development/Legal/index.html |
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| 11:51.22 | wols_ | then it must be very new software. MPL isn't that old :) |
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| 11:51.46 | xingu | if you call a release 4 in 2004 new, yeah. :) |
| 11:51.56 | xingu | in hedge fund terms that's the early paleolithic |
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| 11:55.16 | wols_ | xingu: just saying. I still think the MPL is a "new kid on the block" |
| 11:55.24 | wols_ | and a MPL derivative is even younger obviously |
| 11:55.31 | xingu | mmm |
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| 11:56.46 | xingu | wols_: still, when you want to take a look at where the state of the art is in db design, monetdb isn't far off it. |
| 11:57.12 | abrotman | i just use MS Access |
| 11:57.17 | xingu | wols_: if that sort of thing amuses you or you have a need for the concepts they've covered |
| 11:57.47 | xingu | abrotman: luxury! excel, please |
| 11:57.53 | abrotman | same thing! |
| 11:57.59 | abrotman | just a different interface |
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| 11:58.33 | xingu | abrotman: have you seen the new data type in access? it's essentially a csv data type. |
| 11:59.02 | abrotman | why would ytou have a csv data type? |
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| 11:59.23 | abrotman | xingu: and no .. i can barely make a table in Access .. pgsql .. got it down .. Access .. too many clicky things |
| 12:00.11 | abrotman | a guy in my office was asking me what it was last night .. and i'm like "People use it because you can make fancy forms .. but I can't recall how to do it in the next five minutes" |
| 12:00.35 | wols_ | xingu: actually on the one hand I try to avoid DB since it's boring, sucky, etc |
| 12:00.48 | wols_ | OTOH I'm intrigued by the power that is there which I can see |
| 12:00.50 | wols_ | :) |
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| 12:04.09 | claudio` | Hey guys, i get a problem with oggenc |
| 12:04.14 | claudio` | it don't seems to support the ADPCM formats |
| 12:04.21 | claudio` | does i need to install some extension/library? |
| 12:04.24 | claudio` | This is the output: http://rafb.net/p/eGfxSJ80.html |
| 12:04.34 | DawnLight | hello holy beings |
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| 12:05.26 | abrotman | claudio`: possible the wav is bad ? |
| 12:05.50 | claudio` | abrotman: no, i can convert it properly on NetBSD with an older version of vorbis-tools (1.1.1.1) |
| 12:07.06 | DawnLight | anyway... i gave jigdo the .jigdo and .template to the 4 lenny dvds and after downloading for a gazillion hours it tells me this: Found 10 of the 3575 files required by the template |
| 12:07.06 | DawnLight | Copied input files to temporary file `debian-testing-amd64-DVD-2.iso.tmp' - repeat command and supply more files to continue |
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| 12:07.40 | abrotman | claudio`: been to BTS-land ? |
| 12:07.59 | abrotman | DawnLight: you realize that lenny changes twice daily ? |
| 12:08.46 | dondelelcaro | DawnLight: why exactly are you downloading the lenny DVDs? |
| 12:08.51 | abrotman | claudio`: i don't see anything in the BTS .. but i wouldn't exactly know what to look for |
| 12:09.23 | abrotman | claudio`: maybe there's a bit in the docs in /usr/share/doc/vorbis-tools/ |
| 12:09.23 | DawnLight | abrotman: now i do but that's not what i causing jigdo to download and then tell me that it found only 10. i don't understand this |
| 12:09.43 | dondelelcaro | DawnLight: you'll have to give us the full output from jigdo as well as the command you ran |
| 12:10.07 | DawnLight | dondelelcaro: i'm going to install without a connection |
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| 12:10.26 | dondelelcaro | DawnLight: if you're installing somewhere without a connection, you should install etch, not lenny |
| 12:10.36 | claudio` | abrotman: nothing of interesting, AFAIK |
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| 12:10.44 | claudio` | abrotman: anyway, i'll google more, later |
| 12:10.46 | claudio` | abrotman: THX |
| 12:11.27 | abrotman | claudio`: you could contact the maintainer |
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| 12:13.41 | xingu | abrotman: http://www.regdeveloper.co.uk/2006/07/18/multivalued_datatypes_access/ |
| 12:13.47 | xingu | abrotman: show that one to your local dba |
| 12:13.53 | xingu | abrotman: and bring an airsick bag. |
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| 12:14.27 | torron | why |
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| 12:24.15 | Noborusan | Has anyone used phpsysinfo on debian ? |
| 12:24.56 | Noborusan | I have it installed and it worked well but after i edited the ini file,when i access to the phpsysinfo page it says sorry we do not support this language |
| 12:25.08 | Noborusan | i also uninstalled it and reinstalled it,same |
| 12:25.20 | Noborusan | apt-get remove phpsysinfo --purge |
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| 12:26.00 | DawnLight | what does "Found 4419 of the 4419 files required by the template" refer to? |
| 12:26.19 | petemc | in what context? |
| 12:26.27 | petemc | sounds like par2 to me.. |
| 12:26.36 | DawnLight | jigdo-lite |
| 12:26.48 | petemc | oh, no idea.. |
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| 12:28.29 | abrotman | xingu: i will confess i've put | seperated data into a text field |
| 12:29.05 | abrotman | xingu: but i was younger .. and even more stupid than i am now! |
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| 12:29.37 | b0rg | hi |
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| 12:31.24 | b0rg | i just installed debian etch on my desktop , after a normal install.. when i press the shutdown button everything is normal and the system shuts down all the daemons and unmounts everything and then hangs, it doesn GO OFF, i have to manually turn it off by pressing the poweer button for 5-10 seconds |
| 12:31.46 | b0rg | how do i fix it, so that it`ll turn off by it self ? |
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| 12:32.35 | DawnLight | some older mobos didn't have that feature, i remember, b0rg |
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| 12:34.20 | abrotman | b0rg: is acpi installed ? |
| 12:35.01 | b0rg | yes |
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| 12:35.46 | b0rg | acpi is installed ... oeverything is swell untill the moment the system needs to poweroff its self |
| 12:35.50 | abrotman | how old is the machine ? |
| 12:35.52 | b0rg | that doesnt happend |
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| 12:36.00 | b0rg | 8 months |
| 12:36.02 | b0rg | :) |
| 12:36.36 | b0rg | mb: asus p5gdc pro 915 chipset 3,0 GB p4 processor |
| 12:36.43 | abrotman | have you tried typing 'poweroff' ? |
| 12:36.47 | b0rg | the mashine is fine |
| 12:37.02 | b0rg | the previous OpenSUSE worked fine |
| 12:37.13 | rabid | <b0rg>,What happens if you add acpi=noacpi to the grub command line ? |
| 12:37.38 | b0rg | dunno but will try.... |
| 12:38.05 | bokey | b0rg, if you do that you won't be able to hibernate/suspend |
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| 12:39.03 | b0rg | well... i don`t hibernate/suspend... so i`t wont be a problem |
| 12:39.24 | b0rg | where exactly do i need to insert tge acpi=noacpi line? |
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| 12:39.37 | abrotman | the end of the kernel line in your bootloader conf |
| 12:39.46 | b0rg | hmm.. |
| 12:40.10 | b0rg | but i didnt have that line in the grub menu.lst on the suse... |
| 12:40.10 | b0rg | ?? |
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| 12:45.39 | DawnLight | hibernating is for bears |
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| 12:46.03 | nvz | heh |
| 12:46.39 | giacus | hello |
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| 12:47.54 | DawnLight | hello giacus |
| 12:48.10 | nvz | ugh fuck this damn monitor in its capacitors.. |
| 12:48.15 | nvz | its about to blow |
| 12:48.36 | nvz | its all bright and the picure is beyond the edge of the screen |
| 12:49.22 | nvz | I dont think I've ever bought a monitor.. so I guess its not fair for me to complain that I have to keep switching them |
| 12:49.42 | nvz | the monitors I got probably got 5+ years of use before I even got them |
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| 12:50.32 | wols_ | usually old monitors get dimmer, not brighter |
| 12:50.43 | nvz | this is like the old does the fridgerator light go out when you shut the door thing.. |
| 12:50.50 | nvz | I swear it only does this when I am using it |
| 12:50.51 | giacus | attempting to run apache2 on debian testing the client show the html code instead of loading page |
| 12:50.54 | giacus | any help? |
| 12:51.04 | nvz | I can leave it on all day and it wont screw up when I'm not looking at it |
| 12:51.15 | abrotman | giacus: is it actually a .html page ? |
| 12:51.27 | giacus | sure, the defaultindex.html |
| 12:51.34 | nvz | wols_: yeah.. depends on which componants are wearing. |
| 12:51.44 | fireba11 | nvz : so it's actually reverse ... usually stuff stops working as soon as you are not looking :-) |
| 12:51.45 | nvz | wols_: this one is an IBM.. they are built solid |
| 12:52.14 | wols_ | true |
| 12:52.23 | wols_ | tho I must say I love my samsung CRT |
| 12:52.25 | nvz | fireba11: my stuff knows that it would piss me off more if it acted up when I am trying to do something.. |
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| 12:52.36 | wols_ | sharpest monitor ever I've had. even when this new gainward card is SHIT |
| 12:52.41 | nvz | fireba11: we all know thats why shit doesnt work.. just to piss us off |
| 12:52.55 | massctrl | hi all, anyone knows when I create a snapshot volume on LVM2 can I delete the original volume ? |
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| 12:54.06 | Noborusan | security debian site is bloody slow |
| 12:55.45 | nvz | wols_: i could fix the damn things, but I'm afraid of em |
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| 12:57.42 | nvz | wols_: my father was a tv/vcr repair tech when I was growing up.. I've been shoked way too many times.. and luckily never felt the HV section of a TV.. though I got a good one from the fuse right good 120VAC 60hz once.. as I was leaning over a workbench against the metal plug strip.. heh |
| 12:57.47 | nvz | grounded that one out real good |
| 12:57.52 | nvz | hurt like hell |
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| 12:58.58 | nvz | CRTs store charge as long as there is a vaccume.. and I got a 17" CTX here with a hairline fracture in the annode.. I'm afraid to even touch the fucker.. soon as I gave it a once over and seen that, I put the cover back on |
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| 12:59.42 | nvz | ugh that's it I gotta change this fucker |
| 13:00.03 | nvz | its annoying the shit out of me.. the frequency and duration of the malfunction is much greater than ever |
| 13:00.06 | Optic | get yourself a pair of 19" LCDs |
| 13:00.11 | Optic | and throw out the CRT |
| 13:00.21 | nvz | normally only seen it like once a week if that and only lasted about 15 seconds |
| 13:00.35 | nvz | now I am seeing it every 2 minutes it seems and its lasting about that long |
| 13:00.42 | Optic | so throw it out :) |
| 13:01.02 | nvz | bah |
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| 13:01.26 | nvz | I feel like I am killing children cause they have a cold, when I throw shit out I know I can fix |
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| 13:01.51 | Optic | "omg this Ford Model T could still work if I just made new wheels for it..." |
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| 13:01.58 | haxality | it totally would. |
| 13:02.01 | PingFloyd | nvz: I wouldn't go mucking about inside your monitor unless you know what you're doing. The CRT can store a high voltage charge for a long time just like a capacitor. |
| 13:02.13 | haxality | PingFloyd: actually, it's because of capacitors. |
| 13:02.15 | haxality | ;) |
| 13:02.29 | Optic | the tube doesn't store a charge afaik |
| 13:02.43 | nvz | PingFloyd: I already said that 1, I know how to fix it, and 2, I know about the high voltage |
| 13:02.44 | Optic | the power supply just has a few big caps in it |
| 13:02.48 | haxality | yes. |
| 13:02.52 | nvz | Optic: you're on crack |
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| 13:02.58 | Optic | could be |
| 13:03.00 | spheard | hey, does anyone know about kpkg and silo boot loader on sparc machines? Its not configuring the boot loader properly |
| 13:03.03 | haxality | ohhh my bad. I read CRT and thought 'monitor' |
| 13:03.07 | haxality | heh |
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| 13:03.49 | haxality | not very often I see CRT used to literally refer to the tube |
| 13:03.49 | haxality | :P |
| 13:03.49 | nvz | and yes,, this one is proabably needing a $0.69 fix |
| 13:03.49 | nvz | a new capacitor |
| 13:03.49 | haxality | no. |
| 13:04.02 | Optic | whee |
| 13:04.07 | PingFloyd | nvz: anyway, it can be discharged, but you've got to be careful |
| 13:04.08 | haxality | nvz: opening any cathode ray tube set is an incredibly foolish plan unless you know what you're doing |
| 13:04.32 | haxality | they have huuuuuuuueg capacitors |
| 13:04.37 | haxality | that store massive, massive charges |
| 13:04.43 | PingFloyd | not as huge as pinball machine |
| 13:04.47 | Optic | just use an LCD :) |
| 13:04.49 | nvz | yeah I dont have equipment to discharge it and have it still work.. I can discharge it with my sledge hammer |
| 13:04.55 | Optic | the only dangerous part is the inverter for the backlight |
| 13:05.02 | Optic | so don't lick it and you're cool |
| 13:05.06 | fireba11 | i'm just wondering .. nto many ppl are still using crt anyway :-) |
| 13:05.07 | nvz | as soon as you break the cathod and it hisses, its mostly discharged |
| 13:05.21 | nvz | haxality: I certainly know what I am doing |
| 13:05.29 | nvz | haxality: still scares the shit out of me |
| 13:05.36 | haxality | nvz: you've worked on it before? I didn't know |
| 13:05.52 | haxality | nvz: I came in halfway through the conversation :X |
| 13:06.05 | nvz | like I said my father made his living fixing tv/vcr when I was a kid.. I spent most of my life in a repair shop fixing tvs |
| 13:06.15 | haxality | oooop my bad |
| 13:06.22 | haxality | well then just be wery wery careful |
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| 13:06.44 | nvz | I decided to go toward computers.. the HV componants were contained in a little metal box and easily replaceable if broken |
| 13:07.22 | nvz | though I've been shoked by a computer without even opening it before.. if the carpet is wet I found out you can get zapped from the case sometimes.. probably wasnt properly grounded.. |
| 13:07.39 | nvz | they had shampoo'd the carpets and they felt dry but still had moisture I guess |
| 13:08.17 | nvz | on a TV/Monitor the HV componants are seperated only by a white line.. if you're stupid or careless enough to cross it, its your fault |
| 13:08.31 | DawnLight | a white line? |
| 13:08.48 | nvz | yeah they usually have a white line on the board.. |
| 13:08.55 | DawnLight | lol |
| 13:08.57 | spheard | like tennis |
| 13:09.02 | nvz | seperating the low voltage and high voltage sections |
| 13:09.14 | nvz | so you don't blow up your meter |
| 13:09.14 | spheard | not as dangerous as greg redeski |
| 13:09.16 | DawnLight | why not put a red flag |
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| 13:09.51 | nvz | not that there is really much of a "low voltage" section on a CRT board.. |
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| 13:10.14 | nvz | but hey.. compared to what that flyback transformer handles its low voltage |
| 13:10.30 | nvz | still bites though reguardless |
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| 13:11.55 | PingFloyd | nvz: anyway, I would chuck that one monitor you're talking about. You don't need it imploding on you while you're in it. |
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| 13:12.21 | nvz | heh.. it looks like a matter/antimatter collision is about to happen inside |
| 13:12.30 | aquarius | Is the source for packages.debian.org available anywhere? |
| 13:12.58 | nvz | resulting in annilation.. so if I just leave it plugged in maybe I wont have to throw it out.. |
| 13:13.18 | wols_ | nvz: you like redecorating your flat? |
| 13:13.30 | wols_ | or plan on inviting any firemen soonish? |
| 13:14.00 | nvz | well the fire dept is right across the street.. heh |
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| 13:15.13 | nvz | the real reason I never changed it is cause I never had a moment I was at the pc I wanted to restart X.. always got shit open I dont want to close |
| 13:15.30 | nvz | surely there is a way by now to change sync ranges without restarting |
| 13:15.47 | nvz | I mean microsoft windows has been able to do that for like 10 years it seems |
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| 13:18.30 | PingFloyd | actually, I think there is an Xutil that can |
| 13:18.46 | nvz | hmm well at least 2 of my 3 modes work on this monitor.. |
| 13:18.55 | nvz | just not the one where I can see the whole desktop |
| 13:19.20 | nvz | for a minute there I thought this monitor was dead.. it was all black.. I guess it just shuts off when its out of range |
| 13:19.46 | nvz | stupid.. most of them if they dont show the damn diagonal lines, at least show a damn box that says out of range |
| 13:21.14 | nvz | oh well I dont know of any util so I guess I am gonna have to restart |
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| 13:22.43 | nvz | its ridiculous.. my current Sync is 31-58 and this one is probably 31.5-54. I have to restart just cause this damn thing has a 4.5 smaller range |
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| 13:23.14 | doub | hi there |
| 13:23.45 | doub | how do I copy the root fs contents (and only root fs) to another directory in place? |
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| 13:23.55 | nvz | ah.. the refresh range is 50-120 too.. and I had 50-100 |
| 13:24.26 | doub | some tar magic i guess, but can't remember the right one |
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| 13:24.34 | nvz | doub: interesting.. not sure how the hell you'd do that.. heh |
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| 13:24.45 | nvz | get it to not copy other mounted fs's |
| 13:25.02 | nvz | short of using dd on the partition the rootfs is on |
| 13:25.28 | doub | nvz: too much hassle, and besides i'll change the fs type and size at the same time |
| 13:26.02 | nvz | doub: heh.. you be the judge.. sounds to me like you are infor a hastle trying to exclude mounted fs's without unmounting them |
| 13:26.05 | PingFloyd | doub: cp -a |
| 13:26.44 | doub | nvz: i guess too |
| 13:26.45 | doub | PingFloyd: requires to have every other fs unmounted |
| 13:26.50 | doub | PingFloyd: with all the hell of virtual fs these days, that's not that easy |
| 13:26.57 | kath`` | Can 127.x.x.x addresses be used for something else than loopback? Like ips for qemu bridge, bluetooth pan or something like that? |
| 13:27.09 | nvz | doub: couldnt you in theory dd the partition to an image, then loop mount that image.. something like that |
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| 13:27.47 | kmshanah | doub: you maybe want the -x option for rsync? |
| 13:28.04 | doub | kmshanah: i think i already love it. thanks |
| 13:30.22 | rabid | You might also mount the root partition and copy that. |
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| 13:31.22 | rabid | mkdir /mnt/oldroot && mount /dev/ROOT /mnt/oldroot |
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| 13:31.48 | PingFloyd | bind mount the root somewhere and then cp it |
| 13:32.32 | doub | PingFloyd: bind would just "symlink" /, that's not what i want |
| 13:32.53 | doub | PingFloyd: but i guess re-mounting ro elsewhere would do |
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| 13:33.19 | PingFloyd | --rbind |
| 13:34.08 | PingFloyd | it's one of those two |
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| 13:35.44 | WorkRoey | hi all |
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| 13:36.04 | Southern | Hi :) |
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| 13:36.13 | WorkRoey | can anyone help me with this "wajig" package problem? So apparently it's been fixed according to bugs.debian.org, but I can't get mine to instlal properly |
| 13:36.22 | WorkRoey | and it's holding up everything else. |
| 13:36.37 | abrotman | errors are helpful |
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| 13:36.42 | abrotman | or bug numbers |
| 13:36.56 | WorkRoey | bug numbers. One sec. |
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| 13:38.18 | test___ | did lesBian do something to xfce , my ~/.config/xfce4/desktop/xfdesktoprc settings arent working |
| 13:38.45 | rabid | bye |
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| 13:39.30 | WorkRoey | abrotman: http://rafb.net/p/Xib3mk49.html |
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| 13:40.30 | WorkRoey | abrotman: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=422596 |
| 13:40.35 | test___ | ? |
| 13:40.41 | WorkRoey | abrotman: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=422694 |
| 13:40.52 | WorkRoey | hi test |
| 13:42.19 | eisen | is the changelog for security updates not accessible through aptitude? |
| 13:42.54 | eisen | or are there none even? |
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| 13:44.02 | test___ | how do i run a apt-cache search on a specific repository |
| 13:44.17 | vin` | WorkRoey: did you try removing the wajig.prerm as suggested in the bug report? |
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| 13:45.23 | WorkRoey | vin`: OK, I'm trying it now. |
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| 13:46.40 | WorkRoey | vin`: hmm, apparently things are progressing |
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| 13:47.09 | test___ | howto upgrade a package from backports repository |
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| 13:47.45 | reiser2 | hi |
| 13:47.49 | reiser2 | i need to make a test |
| 13:47.58 | reiser2 | i installed vsftp in my computer |
| 13:48.07 | reiser2 | i need to test from out |
| 13:48.22 | reiser2 | ftp linuxsolutions.no-ip.org |
| 13:48.27 | vin` | test___: did you read the instructions on backports.org? |
| 13:49.02 | test___ | they said to use pinning |
| 13:50.03 | WorkRoey | vin`: hey thanks!! that helped perfectly! hmm, it was easy to miss that suggestion. |
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| 13:51.20 | vin` | test___: it says you can *also* use pinning |
| 13:51.25 | vin` | WorkRoey: yw |
| 13:51.42 | test___ | vin`, how to do it without pinning |
| 13:52.35 | vin` | test___: if you use -t etch-backports package, you don't need it |
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| 13:53.32 | test___ | vin`, it dosent work |
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| 13:54.18 | test___ | vin`, i have a version of the package installed from stable , and trying to upgrade from etc-backports |
| 13:54.21 | test___ | etch |
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| 13:55.29 | PingFloyd | test___: try including --reinstall |
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| 14:04.10 | test___ | damn what a headache! , i have to pin now every xfce package and its dependecies to preferences file in apt |
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| 14:06.26 | ironfroggy | is this an official channel for debian or is the debian project's official channel elsewhere? |
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| 14:07.53 | Aim_Here | Would debian have an official IRC channel? How many layers of bureaucracy would they need to administer it, and how often would the elections for sysop take place? |
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| 14:08.12 | abrotman | wtf |
| 14:08.40 | abrotman | WorkRoey: that's a python problem |
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| 14:09.30 | WorkRoey | abrotman: yeah |
| 14:09.36 | abrotman | WorkRoey: nm .. i see you got it fixed |
| 14:09.43 | WorkRoey | abrotman: but like vin` suggested, it helped to remove that .prerm file |
| 14:09.50 | WorkRoey | abrotman: thanks though! |
| 14:10.02 | Aim_Here | ironfroggy, debian.org says there's such a thing as irc.debian.org and a #debian channel therein |
| 14:10.08 | test___ | why did debian put version 4.3.99.2 (Xfce 4.4 RC2) in stable release! everyone is advising me not to use this ver |
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| 14:12.57 | ma3x | I added hotway stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/bin/hotwayd to /etc/inetd.conf but it doesnt launch it |
| 14:12.58 | ma3x | why? |
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| 14:14.32 | Shadur | ma3x: Have you restarted inetd? |
| 14:14.43 | Shadur | And what the Sam Hill is hotway? |
| 14:14.47 | stew | Aim_Here: there is no official debian channel |
| 14:14.51 | ma3x | Shadur, I did restart it, yes. How do i know if it's running? |
| 14:15.01 | ma3x | Shadur, it's webdav to hotmail |
| 14:15.05 | ma3x | something like pop3 to hotmail |
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| 14:16.15 | Aim_Here | Okay. But www.debian.org tells me of an unofficial #debian channel on a server called irc.debian.org. Off the record, nudge nudge, wink wink |
| 14:16.37 | stew | and another one called irc.freenode.net... |
| 14:16.39 | niru | I am installing splashy |
| 14:16.58 | niru | after installation first boot splashy is not working |
| 14:17.01 | Shadur | ma3x: Since when is 'hotway' supposed to be a known service port address? It's not listed in /etc/services |
| 14:17.01 | niru | it hangs |
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| 14:17.14 | niru | but second boot onwards it works fine |
| 14:17.15 | Shadur | ma3x: I'm guessing you misunderstood the inetd.conf syntax. |
| 14:17.24 | niru | how to make it work at first boot itself |
| 14:17.35 | Aim_Here | Why would something on debian.org be unofficial and not part of debian? |
| 14:17.36 | ma3x | Shadur, what do you mean i misunderstood it? I already have a line for hotwayd there |
| 14:18.10 | Shadur | ma3x: Yes, but unless you also defined "hotway" in /etc/services that's not going to work. |
| 14:18.21 | ma3x | Shadur, it's either there or there |
| 14:18.29 | Shadur | You see, the first element of that line isn't an arbitrary name, it's a port address. |
| 14:18.39 | stew | Aim_Here: in order to help users find help. |
| 14:18.56 | stew | Aim_Here: there is lots of stuff on debian.org that is unofficial and not part of debian. like all of contrib and non-free |
| 14:18.58 | Shadur | Most of the usual services have pre-defined ports in /etc/services, which is why you can use their names here. But hotway doesn't. |
| 14:19.52 | abrotman | can't you define a port number in inetd.conf ? |
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| 14:20.05 | ma3x | Shadur, ok I defined it as pop3 |
| 14:20.08 | Shadur | abrotman: You can use a straight number instead of a name, yes. |
| 14:20.16 | Aim_Here | Well being part of the Debian operating system and being endorsed officially by the appropriate subcommitte of the debian official product endorsement management committee are two different meanings of 'official' I reckon |
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| 14:20.57 | stew | there isn't a 'official product endorsement management committee' i assume you are just talking nonsense now |
| 14:21.10 | Aim_Here | Yeah |
| 14:21.31 | stew | all i'm telling you is that there is no official #debian |
| 14:21.35 | Aim_Here | I love debian, but the bureaucracy must be mocked from time to time |
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| 14:22.53 | reiser2 | abrotman: |
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| 14:24.04 | denken | Aim_Here: lol |
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| 14:24.22 | ma3x | Shadur, thanks! |
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| 14:25.41 | |DuReX| | http://paste.debian.net/28665 <- any id what causes this error ? :s |
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| 14:28.34 | Mustang_Matt | Anyone have issues updating mysql-server-5.0 yesterday? |
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| 14:30.11 | vlt | Hello. What is the best way to let someone connect via ssh to a Debian server but only allow the remote user to use ssh's port forwarding to access another machine in the local network (behind the Debian router)? |
| 14:30.12 | abrotman | reiser2: ? |
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| 14:30.37 | reiser2 | can you enter linuxsolutions.no-ip.org |
| 14:30.38 | lepton | |DuReX|: you ran out of memory |
| 14:30.40 | reiser2 | by ftp |
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| 14:31.14 | reiser2 | and tell me if you can connect |
| 14:31.25 | |DuReX| | lepton: memory could have been full yes, but swap not :s |
| 14:31.47 | lepton | |DuReX|: where you doing something memory-intensive? |
| 14:32.31 | |DuReX| | mysql ... |
| 14:32.50 | |DuReX| | but have like 512mb ram |
| 14:32.53 | |DuReX| | and 1gb swap |
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| 14:33.15 | |DuReX| | Mem: 508876k total, 490040k used, 18836k free, 13664k buffers |
| 14:33.15 | |DuReX| | Swap: 1486004k total, 0k used, 1486004k free, 331664k cached |
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| 14:33.46 | lepton | vlt: create a dummy acct with restricted privs to allow the port forward |
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| 14:34.36 | stew | "331664k cached" there is lots of available memory |
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| 14:35.17 | Lacrymology | sorry, I'm getting no help in #ubuntu and I guess this might be a shared issue |
| 14:35.18 | Lacrymology | can somebody help me? apt can't find ubuntu.com in a chrooted enviroment and I dont know why. Ping works ok |
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| 14:35.28 | hackmiker | hi any idea why in gnome's Login Window Preferences dialog, my user doesn't show at that automatic login list, but another user, created later, does show up? my user ID is 501 and his is 1000 or 1001 |
| 14:35.41 | stew | Lacrymology: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
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| 14:36.24 | Lacrymology | stew I went there already and I find no help, plus, as I said, I think it might be a shared issue, right? I mean apt- is the same... |
| 14:36.27 | J__ | if during an install - base package failed to install, how can I go back and install it |
| 14:36.30 | m4ggus | hackmiker, afaik are user ids under 1000 only for 'system users and over 1000 for normal users |
| 14:36.44 | hackmiker | m4ggus, so should I change my user id? |
| 14:36.46 | schme | !ubuntu |
| 14:36.46 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 14:36.46 | stew | Lacrymology: sorry we can't help you. perhaps try a mailing list or a ubuntu web forum |
| 14:36.50 | kopf | Hi, I just upgraded to version 4. I'd like to install Tor - however it's only under "unstable", and when i switch to unstable and do apt-get install tor, it warns me against a potentially very harmful action it's about to do (removing tzdata and unix-tools). What can I do? |
| 14:37.10 | m4ggus | hackmiker, i think this would help, but never run into such problems |
| 14:37.10 | Lacrymology | ok, what if I rephrase it as can somebody help me? apt can't find debian.org in a chrooted enviroment and I dont know why. Ping works ok |
| 14:37.23 | stew | Lacrymology: you are off-topic here |
| 14:37.34 | Zap-W | added Package: xfce4-session Pin: release a=etch-backports Pin-Priority: 999 to /etc/apt/preferences , apt-get update , apt-get install xfce4-session xfce4-session is already the newest version.???? |
| 14:37.45 | hackmiker | m4ggus, can i set that number to 500 instead of 1000? |
| 14:37.51 | hackmiker | or is it hardcoded? |
| 14:37.59 | hackmiker | (the lower limit i mean) |
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| 14:38.05 | m4ggus | i think its hardcoded :< |
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| 14:38.08 | hackmiker | crud |
| 14:38.24 | hackmiker | there is a gdm config file? |
| 14:38.26 | Lacrymology | how exactly? would I have been told I¡m offtopic if I had decided to lie in the beginning? |
| 14:38.42 | kopf | Lacrymology: just go to bloody #ubuntu for god's sake |
| 14:38.50 | stew | Lacrymology: we do not support ubuntu here. it is off-topic |
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| 14:39.09 | Zap-W | lol |
| 14:39.11 | Lacrymology | it's a question about bloody apt, not ubuntu. |
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| 14:39.29 | vlt | lepton: How can I restrict rights? Setting login shell to /bin/false? |
| 14:39.39 | stew | Lacrymology: its not a question about debian. this is a debian support channel, not an apt support channel. please stop |
| 14:39.55 | DawnLight | i'm holding a mongoose |
| 14:40.17 | schme | There must be some easy way to auto-ignore people if they are also in #ubuntu . |
| 14:40.26 | J__ | if during an install base packages failed to install, how can I go back and install it |
| 14:40.37 | Zap-W | does stuff from experimental repository work in etch? |
| 14:40.40 | JosefAssad | Lacrymology: change your nick to DebianAteShuttleWorthsFamily and come back in and lie |
| 14:40.40 | kopf | Can someone help me? I'm trying to install Tor but it's only in unstable and installing it from there isn't an option :/ |
| 14:40.43 | DawnLight | schme: isn't that already implemented here? |
| 14:40.49 | stew | JosefAssad: stop |
| 14:41.06 | JosefAssad | stew: okay |
| 14:41.08 | Lacrymology | JosefAssad, I would, if I was as stupid as these people |
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| 14:41.19 | schme | DawnLight: I mean for the IRC client I am using. I still see them chatting. |
| 14:41.26 | stew | Lacrymology: calling people stupid is not going to be tollerated here |
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| 14:41.31 | lepton | vlt: no. you could put them into a chroot "jail" or sandbox. you could install rssh and make that the shell. |
| 14:41.36 | Cheka | hey folks |
| 14:41.48 | J__ | isnt there a sysinstall command or some such |
| 14:42.05 | stew | J__: what version of debian are you trying to install? |
| 14:42.07 | DawnLight | schme: does one need to add a ";) |
| 14:42.07 | Cheka | so i'm trying to install etch on my machine but when i boot the install i get to "io scheduler cfq registered (default)" afterwich it simply hangs :( |
| 14:42.11 | hackmiker | okay then how do I enable automatic X login? |
| 14:42.18 | J__ | it installed, its debian 3.1 |
| 14:42.21 | Cheka | anyone got any clues (amd64 version btw) |
| 14:42.26 | schme | DawnLight: YES. |
| 14:42.26 | JosefAssad | wasn't sysinstall bsd? |
| 14:42.28 | J__ | however base paclages failed to download during the install and it skipped it |
| 14:42.34 | J__ | *packages |
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| 14:42.46 | hackmiker | les paclages |
| 14:42.46 | DawnLight | anyway i'm telling you guys eeethere's a mongoose on my keyboard |
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| 14:43.08 | Zap-W | say, is there another repository besides backports.org for etch |
| 14:43.09 | hackmiker | DawnLight, get off the keyboard, you mongoose |
| 14:43.24 | abrotman | reiser2: yes and no |
| 14:43.38 | kopf | Does anyone here know anything about installing Tor on debian 4?? |
| 14:43.38 | vlt | lepton: aptititude says: "rssh: Restricted shell allowing only scp, sftp, ...". But I don't even want to allow scp. How to put the user into the jail? |
| 14:44.05 | DawnLight | this is no ";)". there is a baby mongoose walking across the table |
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| 14:45.45 | DawnLight | he's so cute |
| 14:47.46 | sn0 | vlt you can use scponly , it has a chroot option |
| 14:47.46 | kopf | ? |
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| 14:47.47 | eisen | vlt: why not just forward the port to the other machine on the router? |
| 14:47.47 | DawnLight | oooooh i want to keep him |
| 14:48.22 | oober | I have a local debian mirror and I would like the client to "trust" the packages that it installs from the local mirror. How can I accomplish this? |
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| 14:50.38 | vlt | eisen: I need the user to connect via ssh and then forward to a non-ssh machine in the local network. |
| 14:51.14 | eisen | odd setup, I'd say, vlt |
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| 14:52.33 | yoshio | kopf: there are good instructions at tor.eff.org |
| 14:52.54 | yoshio | kopf: put in /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://mirror.noreply.org/pub/tor etch main |
| 14:52.55 | yoshio | deb-src http://mirror.noreply.org/pub/tor etch main |
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| 14:53.57 | DawnLight | the mongoose took 6 screenshots and then peed on some papers and now he's biting my hand |
| 14:54.12 | yoshio | kofp: http://tor.eff.org/docs/tor-doc-unix.html.en |
| 14:54.32 | humbolto | how would you design a high availability LAMP environment? |
| 14:55.22 | purplepenguins | humbolto: very carefully |
| 14:55.36 | eisen | humbolto: hire experts |
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| 14:55.39 | yoshio | kopf: also check out the FAQ, there is a link on that page |
| 14:55.51 | Southern | anyone here using a sound blaster live 24bit usb ??? |
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| 14:56.46 | humbolto | eisen: who is up hiring? |
| 14:57.01 | vlt | eisen: Odd setup? What's wrong with connecting to a machine within a network from the outside using ssh encryption? |
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| 14:57.54 | eisen | vlt: usually you setup the tunnel beforehand, not ad hoc from the outside. |
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| 15:00.08 | eisen | humbolto: it's nothing you will get a simple answer to and especially not on irc imho. |
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| 15:01.04 | gOLdenHaWK3D | hi all |
| 15:01.12 | eisen | humbolto: usually it's just cheaper to rent a solution at some facility |
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| 15:02.01 | SILENCIO | some speak spanish |
| 15:02.07 | jelly | !es |
| 15:02.08 | zamuro | !es |
| 15:02.08 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:02.10 | bahadunn | I am in acronym hell |
| 15:02.23 | SILENCIO | tank you |
| 15:02.34 | zamuro | I ain't no tank ¬¬ |
| 15:02.55 | jelly | bahadunn: YHL. HAND. |
| 15:02.56 | gOLdenHaWK3D | lol |
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| 15:03.32 | bahadunn | jelly: no habla acronymesse |
| 15:05.01 | DawnLight | crazy mongoose won't let me type |
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| 15:06.43 | themill | is there a "debian way" to restart a service (other than just running "/etc/init.d/foo restart")? Just that now I've got initramfs tools installed, tab completion doesn't work so nicely for that any more ;) |
| 15:07.16 | bahadunn | themill: the "debian way" is to run /etc/init.d/foo as far as I know |
| 15:07.23 | bahadunn | themill: what other way is there? |
| 15:07.38 | bahadunn | themill: service foo restart like in redhat? |
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| 15:07.49 | gOLdenHaWK3D | how do i upgrade my libc6? |
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| 15:08.00 | bahadunn | gOLdenHaWK3D: why do you want to upgrade it? |
| 15:08.19 | gOLdenHaWK3D | i want to install ntfs-3g drivers |
| 15:08.40 | bahadunn | gOLdenHaWK3D: what is that? |
| 15:08.43 | simonrvn | not a very good reason... better to backport |
| 15:08.44 | valdyn | gOLdenHaWK3D: so? |
| 15:08.48 | gOLdenHaWK3D | bahadunn: and it says to get libc6 version >2.6 |
| 15:09.01 | valdyn | oh you want ntfs-3g from experimental |
| 15:09.14 | bahadunn | gOLdenHaWK3D: I agree with simonrvn |
| 15:09.17 | gOLdenHaWK3D | valdyn: i dont know this |
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| 15:09.48 | valdyn | !info ntfs-3g etch |
| 15:10.15 | gOLdenHaWK3D | simonrvn: what is backport? |
| 15:10.19 | DawnLight | `````````````````` |
| 15:10.28 | DawnLight | oops that was the mongoose |
| 15:10.29 | valdyn | gOLdenHaWK3D: that libc6 version does not even exist yet |
| 15:10.44 | bahadunn | gOLdenHaWK3D: you build the package using libc6 that you have |
| 15:11.08 | gOLdenHaWK3D | wait, i am gonna tell you the exact error |
| 15:11.17 | bahadunn | gOLdenHaWK3D: basically you are building the package for the libc6 you have already which will not require such a drastic upgrade to a new libc6 |
| 15:11.23 | jelly | !info libc6 experimental |
| 15:11.48 | valdyn | i wonder where he got that ntfs-3g package from |
| 15:11.55 | valdyn | probably not from debian |
| 15:11.55 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.6~20070518-2 (experimental), Packaged size: 4422 kB, Installed size: 10660 kB |
| 15:11.56 | bahadunn | I never heard of that |
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| 15:12.07 | gOLdenHaWK3D | valdyn: i got it from the debian ftp |
| 15:12.25 | gOLdenHaWK3D | valdyn: this is the file name libntfs-3g-dev_1.516-1_i386.deb |
| 15:12.31 | valdyn | gOLdenHaWK3D: why dont you just run 'apt-get install ntfs-3g' ? |
| 15:12.41 | gOLdenHaWK3D | valdyn: and this too ntfs-3g_1.516-1_i386.deb |
| 15:12.42 | jelly | gOLdenHaWK3D: I don't think there's anything special in ntfs-3g sources that requires a new(er) glibc... building from sources ought to work, if other build dependencies are satisfied |
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| 15:12.45 | hark | it's not in etch |
| 15:12.51 | gOLdenHaWK3D | im in Etch |
| 15:13.06 | jelly | that's the packages for unstable |
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| 15:13.18 | gOLdenHaWK3D | jelly: and how do i do it? i have the default sources.list |
| 15:13.28 | jelly | !simple sid backport |
| 15:13.28 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly. |
| 15:13.30 | themill | bahadunn: yeah, that's sort of what I was thinking -- the redhat "service foo restart" idea. |
| 15:13.38 | valdyn | even sids ntfs-3g only depends on libc6 (>= 2.5-5) |
| 15:13.48 | bahadunn | themill: none of that in debian as far as I know |
| 15:13.50 | jelly | gOLdenHaWK3D: something along the lines of what dpkg jsut said |
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| 15:14.03 | gOLdenHaWK3D | valdyn: i dont know why this strange thing is happening |
| 15:14.08 | test_ | hi i need xfce4.4.1 for etch it isnt available what to do |
| 15:14.19 | valdyn | !depends ntfs-3g |
| 15:14.20 | simonrvn | s,need,want, |
| 15:14.31 | themill | bahadunn: but if there isn't anything like that then that's fine. It's what I've been doing for 8 years :) But only just installed initramfstools |
| 15:14.36 | hark | themill: invoke-rc.d |
| 15:14.49 | simonrvn | you need air, water, food, shelter, clothing |
| 15:14.50 | themill | hark: ahh... knew there was something |
| 15:15.08 | dpkg | ntfs-3g: pre-depends on fuse-utils |
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| 15:15.15 | themill | hark: thanks! |
| 15:15.16 | Ronin | simonrvn: beer and sex as well :) |
| 15:15.23 | bahadunn | themill: or just /etc/init.d/foo restart or whatever |
| 15:15.27 | gOLdenHaWK3D | yes, i installed fuse-utils and libfuse2 |
| 15:15.41 | wols_ | Ronin: in maslows pyramid of needs, it's kinda high up the chain... |
| 15:15.53 | stb- | test_: I believe I am using xfce4.4.1.. It should be in unstable |
| 15:15.55 | simonrvn | that comes after once you have those (beer optional) ;) |
| 15:16.06 | test_ | stb-, i need it for etch |
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| 15:16.32 | jelly | test_: how much are you prepared to offer for someone to backport it? :-| |
| 15:16.39 | themill | bahadunn: /etc/init.d/foo restart is what I've been doing, but I was in the habit of typing in«TAB» which now fails cos of /etc/initramfstools.... amazing the habits you get into |
| 15:16.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | Please set the following variables: BOOST_REGEX_LIBRARY, BOOST_SERIALIZATION_LIBRARY |
| 15:16.45 | Dark_Apostrophe | What do I set them to? |
| 15:16.54 | test_ | jelly, i think alot of ppl would want it backported |
| 15:16.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | Running Testing... |
| 15:17.06 | tarzeau | jelly: you'd backport it for how much? |
| 15:17.07 | gOLdenHaWK3D | now what to do? how do i backport? |
| 15:17.08 | bahadunn | themill: fix it |
| 15:17.10 | stb- | I was wondering what a "good" kernel size is and what impact it makes on the system? My hardware doesn't change often; what advantage(s) does compiling to a module offer? |
| 15:17.12 | tarzeau | test_: how much are you willing to pay ? |
| 15:17.18 | test_ | i am not |
| 15:17.22 | bahadunn | themill: living without tab completion is not somethign I can handle |
| 15:17.28 | \amethyst | themill: the debian equivalent of "service" is "invoke-rc.d" |
| 15:17.30 | jelly | tarzeau: for a debian regular, $37.5 / hr |
| 15:17.31 | tarzeau | test_: then you might want to backport it yourself :) |
| 15:17.38 | tarzeau | jelly: about the same here ;) |
| 15:17.43 | tarzeau | !simple sid backport |
| 15:17.43 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly. |
| 15:17.45 | jelly | tarzeau: ... see, 50% down! |
| 15:17.47 | bahadunn | themill: why are you always trying to make money? |
| 15:17.53 | test_ | time is money right? |
| 15:17.59 | themill | \amethyst: yep -- thanks for that |
| 15:18.02 | tarzeau | test_: if i don't use software, why should i work on it? |
| 15:18.04 | bahadunn | test_: no time is time |
| 15:18.16 | bahadunn | test_: money is money |
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| 15:18.34 | test_ | btw , how to set a rule in fontconfig so that antialiased fonts wont be hinted and antialiased at the same time |
| 15:18.38 | jelly | test_: I've built xfce4 from sources and it's not really a fun thing to do |
| 15:18.45 | test_ | never mind |
| 15:18.52 | themill | bahadunn: what do you mean? |
| 15:18.58 | tarzeau | jelly: i've got some autobackport scripts... |
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| 15:19.09 | jelly | test_: it seems that you don't actually NEED it, then :-) |
| 15:19.09 | test_ | tarzeau, are they safe? |
| 15:19.10 | bahadunn | themill: I mean tab completion is very very good |
| 15:19.18 | bahadunn | themill: if mine broke I would try to fix it |
| 15:19.22 | test_ | i do , i guess i will compile from source myself :( |
| 15:19.22 | tarzeau | test_: they work for the things i did backports.org for |
| 15:19.26 | simonrvn | isn't that what i said before? ;) |
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| 15:19.45 | bahadunn | simonrvn: yeah I remember you mentioning something about backports |
| 15:19.46 | Azar | tarzeau, did you see? 50,000 debian boxes using popcon! :) |
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| 15:19.50 | jelly | tarzeau: recursive build-depends building? |
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| 15:20.02 | tarzeau | jelly: wait, let me show you |
| 15:20.10 | themill | bahadunn: get you now :) |
| 15:20.35 | simonrvn | that yeh, but more about "...don't actually NEED it..." that jelly said |
| 15:20.48 | bahadunn | themill: tab completion is a beautiful thing which I am not willing to live without |
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| 15:21.04 | gOLdenHaWK3D | I changed my /etc/apt/sources.list file. I replaced etch with sid everywhere! and did apt-get upgrade. and now i can see the ntfs-3g package in the apt-cache search ntfs-3g. Is it fine? |
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| 15:21.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello, anyone? :) |
| 15:21.23 | themill | bahadunn: absolutely. I've been wondering the fancy completion.d stuff isn't enabled by default. |
| 15:21.30 | simonrvn | oh crap |
| 15:21.51 | tarzeau | jelly: http://www.phys.ethz.ch/~sengun/abp/abp |
| 15:22.01 | gOLdenHaWK3D | And it says this: The following packages will be upgraded: binutils fuse-utils libc6 libc6-dev libc6-i686 libfuse2 locales |
| 15:22.03 | tarzeau | Azar: yep, and 90,000 ubuntu boxes using popcon! |
| 15:22.18 | Azar | :) they have popcon too? |
| 15:22.19 | duns_s | does oldstable (a.t.m. sarge) get security fixes, too? |
| 15:22.26 | tarzeau | Azar: popcon.ubuntu.com , yes |
| 15:22.28 | gOLdenHaWK3D | bahadunn: :O |
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| 15:22.30 | tarzeau | duns_s: yes |
| 15:22.31 | wols_ | duns_s: yes |
| 15:22.35 | Azar | hehe nice! |
| 15:22.38 | gOLdenHaWK3D | bahadunn: am i doin somethin wrong? |
| 15:22.47 | duns_s | tarzeau: cool |
| 15:22.48 | wols_ | duns_s: for a year after a new stable is released |
| 15:22.49 | bahadunn | gOLdenHaWK3D: maybe |
| 15:22.52 | bahadunn | gOLdenHaWK3D: maybe not |
| 15:23.05 | tarzeau | duns_s: old shit, if you ask me |
| 15:23.07 | gOLdenHaWK3D | bahadunn: :s u make me feel confused! |
| 15:23.14 | simonrvn | don't do anything yet gOLdenHaWK3D |
| 15:23.15 | tarzeau | wols_: so long? not just a half? |
| 15:23.18 | bahadunn | gOLdenHaWK3D: that is my purpose |
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| 15:23.26 | bahadunn | gOLdenHaWK3D: its why I am here |
| 15:23.29 | bahadunn | gOLdenHaWK3D: do you know why you are here? |
| 15:23.35 | wols_ | tarzeau: woody was supported until june 2006. you tell me |
| 15:23.36 | gOLdenHaWK3D | simonrvn: then how do i install ntfs-3g |
| 15:23.37 | duns_s | tarzeau: what do you mean with old shit? |
| 15:23.49 | wols_ | duns_s: he's just blase |
| 15:23.51 | jelly | tarzeau: ah, you've just automated the "simple sid backport" process + upload to bpo, nice |
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| 15:23.59 | gOLdenHaWK3D | bahadunn: i am on a secret mission |
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| 15:24.06 | tarzeau | duns_s: oldstable :) |
| 15:24.06 | bahadunn | gOLdenHaWK3D: covert? |
| 15:24.12 | duns_s | wols_: ah, o.k. :D |
| 15:24.13 | tarzeau | jelly: yep :) |
| 15:24.28 | test_ | tarzeau, so i will wait for your backport |
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| 15:24.33 | tarzeau | jelly: do you have upload permission for backports.org ? |
| 15:24.42 | tarzeau | test_: i have no more upload permission for backports.org |
| 15:24.50 | duns_s | is there any official way (supported packages) to get openssh with chroot support working securely in etch? |
| 15:24.52 | tarzeau | test_: and when i don't use software, i don't backport it (for free) |
| 15:25.00 | gOLdenHaWK3D | simonrvn: and it says this! WARNING: The following essential packages will be removed. |
| 15:25.00 | tarzeau | test_: but you can steal my script and try for yourself? |
| 15:25.00 | Azar | tarzeau: many Debian CD vendors are still listing Sarge 3.1 as stable in Debian and Etch as "testing" -- I guess they are selling the old Etch CDs |
| 15:25.00 | gOLdenHaWK3D | This should NOT be done unless you know exactly what you are doing! |
| 15:25.00 | gOLdenHaWK3D | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:25.00 | wols_ | talisker: what did you do? |
| 15:25.01 | diepes | what is a good package to auto detect differnet wifi, as my laptop sleeps and wakes up at home or work ? |
| 15:25.16 | simonrvn | gOLdenHaWK3D: stop pasting here please, first |
| 15:25.20 | talisker | wols_, sorry, I didn't know it was shemale porn until it was too late |
| 15:25.22 | tarzeau | Azar: sucks :) |
| 15:25.23 | gOLdenHaWK3D | simonrvn: ok |
| 15:25.24 | jelly | tarzeau: nope, never did |
| 15:25.40 | test_ | tarzeau, ojk |
| 15:25.45 | gOLdenHaWK3D | simonrvn: what do do next? plz help me install ntfs-3g! any way! |
| 15:25.48 | wols_ | diepes: what do you mean? detect other APs? break encryption of them? |
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| 15:25.54 | jelly | tarzeau: we have a local repo for our 200 or so machines with some backports |
| 15:25.57 | tarzeau | jelly: i could start my own backports repo. but i already have enough repos for myself and at work, so.. why bother? |
| 15:26.05 | wols_ | talisker: that was more of a tarzeau answer |
| 15:26.06 | tarzeau | jelly: same here, for about the same amount machines here |
| 15:26.10 | tarzeau | jelly: you're on etch already? |
| 15:26.11 | wols_ | but I pretend it was from him |
| 15:26.14 | wols_ | tarzeau: naughry boy |
| 15:26.19 | jelly | tarzeau: not yet :-) |
| 15:26.28 | simonrvn | gOLdenHaWK3D: second, follow the instructions CAREFULLY for the "simple sid backport" |
| 15:26.37 | tarzeau | wols_: huh? WTF? |
| 15:26.37 | duns_s | no way getting chrooting openssh working seriously in debian? |
| 15:26.41 | kombi | do you need bootpd when you have dhcp? |
| 15:26.43 | jelly | tarzeau: need to figure out a nice way to upgrade from apache 1.3 to 2.2 automagically, among other stuff :-) |
| 15:26.46 | diepes | wols_: just find home ap, config encryption, sleep wakeup find work ap setup differnet encryption and enable lan cable. |
| 15:26.53 | test_ | tarzeau, send me your script please, i will backport xfce i have no choice |
| 15:27.02 | simonrvn | gOLdenHaWK3D: you weren't supposed to change everything, nor upgrade |
| 15:27.04 | tarzeau | test_: i have posted the url to it, use /lastlog |
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| 15:27.15 | tarzeau | jelly: oh, it's not workstations? |
| 15:27.18 | wols_ | diepes: gnome network manager maybe |
| 15:27.20 | simonrvn | !tell gOLdenHaWK3D -about simple sid backport |
| 15:27.21 | gOLdenHaWK3D | simonrvn: oh! and how do i do this simple sid backport |
| 15:27.33 | wols_ | gOLdenHaWK3D: you've been told several times now |
| 15:27.37 | tarzeau | jelly: do you use fully automatic installation? using d-i preseed or fai or something else? |
| 15:27.39 | jelly | tarzeau: nope, servers dispersed over Croatian academia :-| |
| 15:27.40 | kombi | is bootpd included in dhcp3? |
| 15:27.49 | simonrvn | read your client's window from dpkg |
| 15:27.52 | simonrvn | ... |
| 15:27.57 | wols_ | !tell kombi about search |
| 15:27.58 | tarzeau | jelly: interesting |
| 15:28.00 | jelly | tarzeau: nah, custom installer + .tar.gz image of the system :-) |
| 15:28.10 | tarzeau | jelly: omg :-) |
| 15:28.18 | simonrvn | duns_s: if you want it, build it |
| 15:28.21 | tarzeau | jelly: d-i is so nice and simple.... using preseeding |
| 15:28.47 | wols_ | tarzeau: ethz has debian in their pools? or only certain enlightened faculties? |
| 15:28.47 | tarzeau | kombi: i think so, what do you need it for? |
| 15:29.00 | jelly | tarzeau: that's what the local DD guy suggests too |
| 15:29.02 | tarzeau | wols_: www.debian.org/users ethz is primarily very large |
| 15:29.07 | gOLdenHaWK3D | simonrvn: thanx! tryin! |
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| 15:29.16 | tarzeau | wols_: there's many departments, and part of them use debian, some others redhat |
| 15:29.17 | kombi | tarzeau: booting a cisco phone |
| 15:29.29 | tarzeau | jelly: who is it? |
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| 15:29.49 | tarzeau | jelly: i could give a hand, since i did it for here, and the docs are online on the d.o wiki |
| 15:29.59 | kombi | tarzeau: maybe I havn't set the conf right, ftpd is found, bootp not.. |
| 15:29.59 | jelly | tarzeau: joy@d.o |
| 15:30.01 | tarzeau | kombi: oh poor you. asterisk? |
| 15:30.06 | kombi | yip.. |
| 15:30.16 | kombi | ;( |
| 15:30.17 | tarzeau | kombi: are you a hero on asterisk? |
| 15:30.19 | Mustang_Matt | Alright I have a full backup of my system, should I try to dist-upgrade from sarge to etch or just install from scratch? |
| 15:30.30 | tarzeau | Mustang_Matt: i'd try the upgrade first |
| 15:30.32 | wols_ | tarzeau: ETH doesn't show there |
| 15:30.37 | kombi | tarzeau: hero as in fighting it hard, yes.. |
| 15:30.40 | tarzeau | wols_: yes it does, wait a second |
| 15:30.56 | Azar | Mustang_Matt: if you upgrade, read the release notes to see what's gonna change |
| 15:31.02 | Mustang_Matt | tarzeau: So what's the difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade after I've changed all the references in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:31.04 | duns_s | simonrvn: o.k., but that means it won't me fixed with security patches automatically, i hoped there would be some repos or trick, but o.k. thx anyway |
| 15:31.06 | tarzeau | wols_: here's one http://www.debian.org/users/edu/ethz_phys |
| 15:31.17 | duns_s | i'll try to use uml instead |
| 15:31.19 | kombi | tarzeau: actually asterisk is quite good natured, cisco phones just drive me up the wall. |
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| 15:31.30 | Azar | Mustang_Matt: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 15:31.31 | tarzeau | Mustang_Matt: i think that's documented... read the manuals |
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| 15:31.46 | tarzeau | kombi: i see, asterisk config changes made me pretty mad |
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| 15:31.57 | Mustang_Matt | Azar: Thanks that's a good guide |
| 15:32.02 | wols_ | tarzeau: whoth writes Züri with Z U? damn merkins! |
| 15:32.05 | simonrvn | duns_s: then you get the fixes in. whn tracking stable and the security updates, you probably want to be on the debian-security-announce list |
| 15:32.10 | Mustang_Matt | tarzeau: No problem, I'll see what I can find. |
| 15:32.11 | kombi | tarzeau: asteriskguru.com is good place to check |
| 15:32.14 | tarzeau | wols_: english? |
| 15:32.32 | wols_ | tarzeau: they didn't use a ü or ue as they should but plain U |
| 15:32.34 | jelly | tarzeau: preseeding is kinda nice, but we have about 4-5 hw configurations and have to cope with different disk sizes and stuff. Also, local packages are not up to the task yet, they ask a number of duplicated questions and guess stuff from contents of the system... some are quite ugly. :-) |
| 15:32.52 | tarzeau | wols_: plain u is normal, only german language people make ue from ü |
| 15:32.55 | wols_ | who the heck writes zuerich with u. damn usians |
| 15:33.04 | kombi | tarzeau: speaking of which, how do you make things boot over tftp usually? |
| 15:33.14 | tarzeau | kombi: using a tftpd ? |
| 15:33.20 | kombi | yes |
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| 15:33.25 | tarzeau | kombi: i use that for sparc, alpha and mips, as well as x86? |
| 15:33.45 | kombi | tarzeau: also with dhcp? |
| 15:33.52 | simonrvn | preseeding is good for duplicate h/w confs with only the hostname differing, imo, or a specific task |
| 15:33.52 | tarzeau | kombi: sometimes |
| 15:33.53 | wols_ | tarzeau: they write the accents on e and i, so they can as well put 2 points above an u |
| 15:33.59 | tarzeau | simonrvn: WRONG |
| 15:34.15 | kombi | tarzeau: I havn't quite understood which role bootp plays in that |
| 15:34.17 | tarzeau | simonrvn: we have many different h/w confs with many different tasks with d-i preseeding |
| 15:34.23 | tarzeau | simonrvn: see dphys-config for exmample |
| 15:34.38 | tarzeau | since preseed d-i is good for installing debian. configuring should be done in a different way |
| 15:34.43 | simonrvn | it's an opinion, it's not wrong, just misinformed |
| 15:34.52 | tarzeau | why is it misinformed? |
| 15:35.03 | simonrvn | and now you've cleared that up, thank you |
| 15:35.13 | tarzeau | wols_: you know umlauts are also an issue for bts and dpkg-buildpackage (signing part) |
| 15:35.20 | wols_ | tarzeau: how do you configure the different videocard (thanks to udev and the likes, kernel drivers should be no prob) |
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| 15:35.32 | tarzeau | simonrvn: i can put our different configs online (server, workstation, kiosk etc) |
| 15:36.05 | tarzeau | wols_: we do this since many years (also potato(own something) and sarge (preseeding)) |
| 15:36.06 | simonrvn | tarzeau: what i had i mind was one preseed config, not several |
| 15:36.17 | gOLdenHaWK3D | simonrvn: hey! i added this line deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free to sources.list and did a successful apt-get update! but it says this -- Package ntfs-3g is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source.!!! What does this mean? |
| 15:36.33 | tarzeau | wols_: /etc/init.d/nvidia-driver :) http://kaerpf.ethz.ch/pub/debian-local/share/kernel/nvidia-driver |
| 15:36.43 | tarzeau | wols_: all with dphys-config (check the examples in the debian package) |
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| 15:36.52 | tarzeau | simonrvn: we do have only ONE preseed config |
| 15:36.55 | simonrvn | gOLdenHaWK3D: it means read carefully the info it gave you |
| 15:37.13 | tarzeau | simonrvn: here: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed then http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/preseed/preseed.cfg |
| 15:37.19 | tarzeau | simonrvn: ONE config file to install them all |
| 15:37.26 | gOLdenHaWK3D | simonrvn: It also says this -- E: Package ntfs-3g has no installation candidate |
| 15:37.32 | gOLdenHaWK3D | simonrvn: and i cant get it! :( |
| 15:37.37 | simonrvn | ok, then i'll need to look at this preseeding stuff closer, you just confused the hell out of me |
| 15:37.38 | tarzeau | simonrvn: the trick is dphys-config, dphys-admin and http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/preseed/S99install |
| 15:37.52 | gOLdenHaWK3D | :) |
| 15:37.56 | Azar | gOLdenHaWK3D: read the instructions simonrvn gave you -- again... you missed something it seems |
| 15:38.01 | tarzeau | simonrvn: the trick really is right after preseed to configure preseed/late_command |
| 15:38.02 | simonrvn | but not now, i need to do something |
| 15:38.08 | gOLdenHaWK3D | Azar: ok, recheckin |
| 15:38.09 | simonrvn | ah ok |
| 15:39.23 | wols_ | tarzeau: the apt-cache show dhphy-config is telling :) |
| 15:39.44 | wols_ | tarzeau: does it come with various "building blocks" for default scenarios? |
| 15:39.53 | tarzeau | wols_: there is at least one other tool for the same purpose, but i keep forgetting its' name |
| 15:40.00 | tarzeau | wols_: yep! see its examples |
| 15:40.07 | gOLdenHaWK3D | Is the installation of ntfs-3g that dreadful? |
| 15:40.08 | tarzeau | wols_: i can provide a real world exmaple if you want |
| 15:40.27 | wols_ | not enough machines to install like you |
| 15:40.33 | tarzeau | wols_: we have nis/nfs here and many many users. so we have for each host a directory |
| 15:40.43 | tarzeau | wols_: and SITE directory with symlinks ... |
| 15:40.53 | wols_ | but debian should hype such things a bit more like windows does. "enterprise features" and all that. |
| 15:41.02 | tarzeau | wols_: and other purpose dirs like KIOSK WHATEVER_SERVER etc |
| 15:41.13 | tarzeau | wols_: i'm hyping it? not enough? :) |
| 15:41.28 | wols_ | no one looks on a irc channel for marketing... |
| 15:41.36 | tarzeau | wols_: you mean i should write a gui for it and sell it as DEBIAN ENTERPRISE IS TEH SHIT ? |
| 15:41.57 | wols_ | it should be part of (official) debian howtos: how to roll out debian in your fortune 500 company |
| 15:42.09 | sineer | tarzeau, lol, certify it and I'll get you clients ;) |
| 15:42.14 | wols_ | if you want. but change the name and lose the CAPS |
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| 15:42.26 | tarzeau | sineer: do you pay the certification? certify it by whom? |
| 15:42.33 | sineer | tarzeau, whatever certif is fine.. How about Tarzeau Certified Linux ! |
| 15:42.52 | gOLdenHaWK3D | I also made the /etc/apt/preferences for mutt! |
| 15:42.54 | wols_ | tarzeau: read: pay enough money to IBM or whoever so they press their rubberstamp of approvial on it. expensive rupperstamp |
| 15:42.55 | tarzeau | sineer: it already exists, http://livecd.gnustep.org/ :) |
| 15:43.07 | tarzeau | wols_: ha ha, if i had the money |
| 15:43.26 | tarzeau | sineer: i'm listed at www.debian.org/consultants so if you have clients, contact me |
| 15:43.41 | sineer | tarzeau, how interesting you should say that... |
| 15:43.46 | Azar | gOLdenHaWK3D: dpkg told you to add a deb src line for...... sid, and you added one for ... etch? |
| 15:43.52 | tarzeau | sineer: i can write "certified linux" onto post-it notes and glue stick them on boxes with floppies |
| 15:44.00 | gOLdenHaWK3D | Azar: yes! is it wrong? |
| 15:44.01 | sineer | hehehe |
| 15:44.18 | wols_ | tarzeau: you can't demand money for floppies anymore. get a DVD burner instead! |
| 15:44.19 | Azar | gOLdenHaWK3D: well, etch repositories do not have the package you want :) |
| 15:44.20 | tarzeau | sineer: i'm willing to move for setting up debian many hosts sites |
| 15:44.27 | tarzeau | sineer: world wide, if it's paid :) |
| 15:44.38 | gOLdenHaWK3D | Azar: oops, i got it! now what to do? change it to Sid? |
| 15:44.50 | sineer | tarzeau, I am currently defending Debian in our product that is going to be sold to some high security places ie: military bases or others gouv. buildings... |
| 15:44.53 | Azar | gOLdenHaWK3D: only THAT line alone :) |
| 15:44.59 | wols_ | gOLdenHaWK3D: do we have to tell your a 3rd time about simple sid backport? |
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| 15:45.14 | gOLdenHaWK3D | wols_: nopes! i know that now! |
| 15:45.28 | wols_ | gOLdenHaWK3D: but apparently you've never read it |
| 15:45.33 | Azar | wols_: he read it but confused about steering his apt to the right direction :) |
| 15:45.52 | gOLdenHaWK3D | wols_: Azar is right! :) |
| 15:46.00 | sineer | tarzeau, Debian IS the best OS out there to do the job.. I know it and I prooved it.. but all the FUD around open source is jeopardizing the distro... |
| 15:46.00 | tarzeau | wols_: good idea! i can even print beautiful cds, check this: http://wiki.gnustep.org/index.php/Platform:Other#LiveCD_for_Intel |
| 15:46.21 | tarzeau | sineer: cool, you know i can make really nice cd's check the photo url above |
| 15:46.41 | tarzeau | sineer: just call it free software (it's not such a buzz word like open source ;) |
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| 15:47.56 | sineer | you can call it whatever.. people want to know if you can make it certified to then potentially certify your solution as a whole (OS Baseline + Your software) and Not have to give root access to the box and keep your H/W and proprietary software to yourself... |
| 15:48.26 | tarzeau | sineer: that's exactly what we do here at work |
| 15:48.51 | sineer | and again.. They Don't know (or care?) about Certified What... so that brings me to my question.. seeing how you call yourself a Debian consultant that's willing to travel ;) ... |
| 15:48.52 | tarzeau | sineer: we keep root access and proprietary software is only available to root on those boxes from a special directory |
| 15:49.06 | gOLdenHaWK3D | Azar: This time i wrote this "deb http://www.backports.org/debian sid-backports main contrib non-free", and now the apt cant find the site! Err 404! |
| 15:49.19 | sineer | tarzeau, using say SELinux policies? |
| 15:49.49 | tarzeau | sineer: no, we run identd on our clients and have an apache ident auth mod :) |
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| 15:50.15 | tarzeau | sineer: grub is locked down (only the top most kernel can be booted) |
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| 15:50.32 | tarzeau | sineer: try to hack krum.ethz.ch if you want :) |
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| 15:50.48 | Wyzard | tarzeau: Relying on identd for root authentication doesn't seem very secure |
| 15:50.49 | tarzeau | sineer: no iptables, no selinux |
| 15:50.53 | tarzeau | sineer: and our own kernels |
| 15:51.04 | tarzeau | Wyzard: we have a monitoring of the whole network |
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| 15:51.16 | tarzeau | Wyzard: with mac address control, yes sure, even that can be tricked |
| 15:51.21 | tarzeau | Wyzard: but we'll notice it, in any case |
| 15:51.35 | Wyzard | That helps, I guess |
| 15:51.40 | tarzeau | Wyzard: http://bb.phys.ethz.ch/ |
| 15:51.46 | sineer | tarzeau, ok.. Would you happen to know a real life example of a biz that made a dedicated say PC cluster to power up a juiced up proprietary app and release dedicated prop. H/W in the wild that runs Debian on one/many CPUs and provided support for these units/soft. ? |
| 15:51.49 | tarzeau | Wyzard: mac addresses need be registered to an account/person |
| 15:52.08 | Wyzard | tarzeau: nifty |
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| 15:52.25 | tarzeau | sineer: www.dalco.ch does the hardware, we do the rest (nic.phys.ethz.ch) |
| 15:52.42 | cydork | tarzeau: hey does that bb provide community version? i couldn't find it last time. |
| 15:52.55 | tarzeau | cydork: they used to, check big sister? |
| 15:53.08 | tarzeau | cydork: our version is heavily adapted to our needs |
| 15:53.24 | tarzeau | Wyzard: that's fun too: http://inventory.phys.ethz.ch/stats |
| 15:53.49 | cydork | tarzeau: ahh ok |
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| 15:55.33 | en1gma | sup all |
| 15:55.53 | sineer | tarzeau, very cool! I know there are tons of examples out there.. but most of them are highly specialized call it almost R&D tools (ie mainframes/GPP clusters) OR consumers products... I will give you a fictional example to try and illustrate the fUD I'm facing with debian and the certifications crap.. |
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| 15:57.02 | en1gma | bbiam.. rebooting to sid |
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| 15:57.42 | tarzeau | sineer: the support with linux is simple: buy hardware known to work with linux. use the latest linux kernel to have the most hardware support. |
| 15:57.56 | tarzeau | sineer: that's what we do. and yes there's hardware that won't get support in linux |
| 15:58.02 | sineer | I know.. that is what we do too :) |
| 15:58.37 | sineer | but my problem is that this H/W with our S/W will be sold to gouv. buildings and be connected to Their network... |
| 15:59.00 | tarzeau | sineer: and you can't setup a debian mirror in their network? |
| 15:59.08 | tarzeau | sineer: that'll get security updates from the internet? |
| 15:59.10 | sineer | There is NO technical issue here :) |
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| 15:59.32 | sineer | Debian rocks!! It IS the Shit and I am only having to deals with policies/certifs/FUD so far... |
| 15:59.53 | sineer | Except for the whole point given about our devs productivities seeing they are much more M$ devs out there.. |
| 16:00.03 | wols_ | sineer: yes, debian is shit. in fact it's probably the buggies distro in existance :) |
| 16:00.11 | sineer | but they are willing to live with that.. |
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| 16:00.50 | tarzeau | wols_: there's a different between being shit, or the shit :) |
| 16:01.12 | tarzeau | wols_: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=the+shit&defid=49241 |
| 16:01.21 | wols_ | dunno about the shit, but debian is shit. as I said: most bugs of any distro |
| 16:01.36 | wols_ | i's only natural and pretty much unavoidable, but still a there |
| 16:01.39 | tarzeau | wols_: but also the most software of any distro? |
| 16:01.57 | wols_ | exactly |
| 16:02.04 | lepton | dpkg start a distro war |
| 16:02.04 | dpkg | Debian Rulz |
| 16:02.07 | wols_ | well gento might come close, but hard to tell with them |
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| 16:02.21 | Azar | gOLdenHaWK3D: if you read the dpkg advice at :simple sid backport it is telling you to add "a - as in one - source line that points to sid. << Think about what is telling you. |
| 16:02.22 | wols_ | but most kloc = most bugs |
| 16:02.24 | en1gma | sup all |
| 16:02.35 | sineer | how could say Ubunto who's based on debian unstable could have less bugs? |
| 16:02.59 | wols_ | sineer: easy: comes with a lot less software. unless you count their multieverse thingie |
| 16:03.03 | gOLdenHaWK3D | Azar: ok, thanx |
| 16:03.09 | gOLdenHaWK3D | Azar: tryin again... |
| 16:03.13 | en1gma | can someone tell me what i did wrong or better yet why i have to type 'dhclient eth2' everytime i boot so i can connect to internet |
| 16:03.28 | en1gma | it used to connect me automatically |
| 16:03.33 | wols_ | !tell en1gma about interfaces |
| 16:03.35 | stew | sineer: ubuntu is off-topic here |
| 16:03.38 | wols_ | you haven't configured that properly |
| 16:03.49 | sineer | Wols_ ah.. then you didn't compare apple with apple... |
| 16:03.54 | en1gma | it used do it automatically |
| 16:03.55 | tarzeau | wols_: nope, they don't have as much software |
| 16:04.05 | tarzeau | !bugstats |
| 16:04.05 | dpkg | it has been said that bugstats is http://io.debian.net/~tar/bugstats/ |
| 16:04.05 | en1gma | i now have to do it manually |
| 16:04.14 | wols_ | sineer: software comparison. have you ever seen a apples to apples comparison there? |
| 16:04.38 | wols_ | en1gma: then something has changed |
| 16:04.39 | sineer | Wols_: you could have compared abonta base install to debian etch base install... |
| 16:04.48 | wols_ | most probably by something you did |
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| 16:05.01 | en1gma | yea i changed a couple things....well tried a few different dhcp clients |
| 16:05.01 | wols_ | sineer: that's unfair the other way around |
| 16:05.11 | wols_ | I don't see any X in my debian base install |
| 16:05.12 | wols_ | or gnome |
| 16:05.14 | sineer | not apple with apple of course but much closer to say apple and orange.. what you were comparing was apple and dog. |
| 16:05.18 | en1gma | which one is supposed to be used |
| 16:05.31 | wols_ | en1gma: then fix your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:05.31 | en1gma | that does this all automatically |
| 16:05.32 | tarzeau | wols_: if you don't unselect the desktop option in default tasksel you'll get them |
| 16:05.43 | sineer | Wols_ say Minimal install then.. which is what I use most of the time... |
| 16:05.50 | en1gma | im not sure if i am even using the default dhcp client |
| 16:05.53 | wols_ | tarzeau: I never really look at tasksel. i hate it, it's crap. |
| 16:05.59 | wols_ | besides I only use netinstall |
| 16:06.21 | tarzeau | wols_: and you don't get that screen with default desktop? |
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| 16:06.51 | en1gma | can i remove all dhcp stuff then install the correct or default ones so it does it all automatically and i wont have to touch the interfaces file |
| 16:06.54 | wols_ | tarzeau: all I remember is a tasksel screen. cut me some slack, how often do you install debian? it's not everyday you buy a new disk... |
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| 16:07.03 | Azar | gOLdenHaWK3D: dpkg told you to add a "deb-src" line :) NOT a deb http .... right? read again: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 16:07.16 | wols_ | en1gma: until we know the interfaces file is correct, nothing ever will work |
| 16:07.23 | tarzeau | wols_: not even then, here (i do much more fully automatic installs, where i don't see anything of it) |
| 16:07.29 | gOLdenHaWK3D | Azar: oops! thanx! |
| 16:07.34 | bonez39 | How might one resolve this error ??? > error: error accessing /var/log/squid: Permission denied |
| 16:07.36 | tarzeau | wols_: like i go into the boot menu, say do that, and drink some fine tea |
| 16:07.36 | bonez39 | error: squid:4 glob failed for /var/log/squid/*.log |
| 16:07.37 | en1gma | what does debian run to setup the interfaces file |
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| 16:07.46 | Azar | gOLdenHaWK3D: hehe that means "reading" |
| 16:07.50 | bonez39 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:07.55 | gOLdenHaWK3D | Azar: sorry! :( |
| 16:07.56 | bahadunn | tarzeau: what kind if fine tea? |
| 16:07.58 | en1gma | ive seen it ask me which nic card to use |
| 16:08.02 | en1gma | and i pick it |
| 16:08.09 | bahadunn | tarzeau: I am drinking iced tea lately because its hot here |
| 16:08.10 | tarzeau | bahadunn: green tea, black tea, jasmin tea |
| 16:08.24 | tarzeau | bahadunn: if it's hot, drink hot stuff, much better for the human body |
| 16:08.29 | bahadunn | tarzeau: ever had the white tea? |
| 16:08.33 | wols_ | en1gma: the debian installer. and no it's not available after install |
| 16:08.37 | tarzeau | bahadunn: yeah i also drank white tea |
| 16:08.51 | bahadunn | tarzeau: drinking hot when hot is good? |
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| 16:08.54 | en1gma | where does it goto |
| 16:09.18 | wols_ | en1gma: nowhere. it stays on your CD |
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| 16:09.19 | wols_ | bahadunn: yes |
| 16:09.24 | Southern | rep |
| 16:09.27 | bahadunn | wols_: yes? |
| 16:09.37 | en1gma | is there a package that i can dload that is a network configurator script |
| 16:09.41 | bonez39 | boo |
| 16:09.44 | wols_ | yes, drnking hot stuff when it's hot (or rather lukewarm) is good |
| 16:09.52 | bahadunn | why? |
| 16:09.53 | wols_ | en1gma: for the last time: no |
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| 16:10.08 | en1gma | so in the whole debian land there is not one network script? |
| 16:10.09 | tarzeau | bahadunn: yes |
| 16:10.11 | wols_ | bahadunn: temperature gradient I think |
| 16:10.20 | tarzeau | bahadunn: if you drink cold when it's hot, the body gets a shock |
| 16:10.33 | bahadunn | and if you drink hot when its cold? |
| 16:10.49 | wols_ | en1gma: there is documentation. man interfaces. debian prefers knowledgeable people instead of point+click droolers |
| 16:10.50 | Azar | that's called iced tea |
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| 16:11.05 | tarzeau | bahadunn: that's fine too, because your body warmth is about 37 degrees C, and you can only drink cold down to 0 degrees C |
| 16:11.09 | wols_ | bahadunn: then you warm up |
| 16:11.13 | tarzeau | bahadunn: usually it gets icy afterwards |
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| 16:11.24 | bahadunn | tarzeau: you drink cold beer when its hot? |
| 16:11.30 | tarzeau | bahadunn: yes sometimes i do |
| 16:11.31 | wols_ | tarzeau: you can always play with air pressure... |
| 16:11.34 | orbisvicis | !aolify |
| 16:11.37 | tarzeau | bahadunn: because warm beer is BAH |
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| 16:11.48 | tarzeau | wols_: true |
| 16:11.48 | wols_ | beer is always BAH, cold or warm |
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| 16:12.07 | bonez39 | How might one resolve this error ??? > error: error accessing /var/log/squid: Permission denied |
| 16:12.15 | en1gma | i know how to go in etc/network.interfaces....ive been playing with slackware forever and used its /etc/rc.d/ifconfig. so i dont need a script to fix it...im just seeing if there IS a script |
| 16:12.21 | tarzeau | bonez39: what says ls -la /var/log/squid ? |
| 16:12.23 | Azar | bahadunn: you can boil red wine with black pepper, cinnamon, sugar and laurel leaves if you want to get hot |
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| 16:12.28 | bahadunn | tarzeau: drinking cold beer when its hot gives the body a shock |
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| 16:12.37 | tarzeau | bahadunn: true |
| 16:12.41 | wols_ | bonez39: who or what produces this error? |
| 16:12.51 | tarzeau | bahadunn: it's not nice to the body |
| 16:12.51 | orbisvicis | !aolify me |
| 16:13.06 | orbisvicis | that is kinda annoying, true |
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| 16:13.13 | tarzeau | bahadunn: and that it's good is trained, and something in your mind |
| 16:13.16 | Azar | en1gma: you can create and use your own scripts |
| 16:13.21 | en1gma | so now what do you say to someone that knows how to edit the /etc/network/interfaces which shouldnt even be there at all as the /etc/rc.d/ifconfig is the proper path and file for true linux |
| 16:13.34 | valdyn | bonez39: that's a feature, not an error |
| 16:13.39 | cydork | en1gma: true linux?? |
| 16:13.43 | petemc | heh |
| 16:13.44 | wols_ | en1gma: to edit a interfaces script for dhcp usage should be around 3 lines tops |
| 16:13.46 | tarzeau | bahadunn: men say it's good, to be different from others. women and children usually don't like beer |
| 16:13.52 | en1gma | i know how to do it |
| 16:13.59 | tarzeau | bahadunn: it's all about being different and special |
| 16:13.59 | bahadunn | tarzeau: my wife likes beer |
| 16:14.04 | tarzeau | bahadunn: an exception |
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| 16:14.09 | bahadunn | tarzeau: she likes wine too |
| 16:14.15 | en1gma | i just wonder how DEBIAN one of the biggest distros out there dont have a network script |
| 16:14.19 | tarzeau | bahadunn: wine is a completely different thing |
| 16:14.20 | bahadunn | tarzeau: she likes guinness |
| 16:14.21 | petemc | en1gma: whats the name of this true linux? |
| 16:14.27 | valdyn | bonez39: unnles you think its ok for users to spy on each others webbrowsing habbits |
| 16:14.28 | wols_ | en1gma: how is interfaces more or less proper than /etc/rc,d/ifconfig? what akes one or the other special? |
| 16:14.32 | bahadunn | en1gma: network script? |
| 16:14.56 | en1gma | the reason is because now there are 2 areas that control the network interfaces |
| 16:15.00 | en1gma | when there should be one |
| 16:15.06 | \amethyst | en1gma: what is the second one? |
| 16:15.10 | stew | en1gma: what are the two areas? |
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| 16:15.35 | wols_ | en1gma: which ones? |
| 16:15.35 | bonez39 | tarzeau, it shows this > scott@fyrenice:~$ ls -la /var/log/squid |
| 16:15.35 | bonez39 | ls: /var/log/squid: Permission denied |
| 16:15.36 | en1gma | let me look (i might have put my foot in my mouth) 1 sec |
| 16:15.36 | bonez39 | wols_, I get this as an email from cron....... |
| 16:15.37 | wols_ | bonez39: a normal user shouldn't have access to system logfiles |
| 16:15.38 | Azar | en1gma: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html |
| 16:15.40 | wols_ | as valdyn said |
| 16:15.43 | tarzeau | bonez39: you are not root |
| 16:15.48 | bahadunn | tarzeau: cold guinness |
| 16:15.51 | bahadunn | tarzeau: mmmmm |
| 16:16.15 | tarzeau | funny in xterm 3 in gray looks different than a 3 or 9 in yellow |
| 16:16.24 | tarzeau | different typography (font) |
| 16:16.29 | \amethyst | bonez39: what user is supposed to be running squid, and what are ownership and permissions on the directory? |
| 16:16.29 | wols_ | en1gma: which to areas? please tell us which. one is interfaces. and the other? |
| 16:16.30 | en1gma | well the 2 areas would be the (ifconfig) file and the (interfaces) file now wouldnt they |
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| 16:16.33 | tarzeau | this is ugly, i want terminal.app back |
| 16:16.35 | \amethyst | tarzeau: probably yellow is bold |
| 16:16.37 | bonez39 | tarzeau, when cron tries to run,... it generates this error, every day |
| 16:16.42 | \amethyst | en1gma: which ifconfig file? |
| 16:16.52 | en1gma | you do use ifconfig up and down right |
| 16:16.55 | valdyn | en1gma: there's alot more places where you can change networking setup but are not supposed to |
| 16:16.57 | en1gma | ifconfig -a |
| 16:16.57 | deepblu | I just followed the custom kernel install/upgrade method via dpkg/make-kpkg to go to 2.6.19.3 kernel and after doing everything in the manual I reboot and get spurious ACK on isa .... anyone knows what is going on here ? |
| 16:17.07 | en1gma | ifconfig should be it |
| 16:17.08 | wols_ | en1gma: there is always only one: interfaces. since there is no ifconfig and if ther would be, it's a frontend for interfaces |
| 16:17.18 | wols_ | debian only looks in interfaces and nowhere else |
| 16:17.21 | \amethyst | en1gma: no, we use ifup and ifdown, which handle /etc/interfaces |
| 16:17.22 | bonez39 | \amethyst, I didnt' even set this up....it was set up when squid was installed... |
| 16:17.37 | en1gma | then why dont kdenetwork work right |
| 16:17.45 | valdyn | en1gma: ifconfig doesnt deal with any of the essential higher level properties you need to have a tcp/ip network |
| 16:17.46 | en1gma | i assumed it wasnt handling interfaces |
| 16:17.52 | wols_ | en1gma: then go back to slackware. I heard they have what you want. and doin't be disappointed if debian won't follow the excellent lead of slack |
| 16:18.06 | bonez39 | tarzeau, if I run the ls -la /var/log/squid as root it lists out the contents of /squid |
| 16:18.15 | \amethyst | en1gma: kdenetwork? |
| 16:18.15 | Azar | en1gma: if you read the link to the documentation I gave you you most likely will understand how it works then could implement your own automation of handling your stuff |
| 16:18.20 | wols_ | valdyn: his ifconfig is /etc/rc.d/ifconfig I think. not /sbin/ifconfig |
| 16:18.33 | bonez39 | tarzeau, file are owned by proxy and proxy.... |
| 16:18.35 | \amethyst | en1gma: which program in particular? kdenetwork is a metapackage |
| 16:18.35 | valdyn | wols_: ops |
| 16:18.37 | en1gma | wols_ do you really have to get offended when i said the truth about the 2 areas and then i said the truth about no network script |
| 16:18.44 | cydork | bonez39: and what do you expect it to do? |
| 16:18.50 | wols_ | \amethyst: I guess kdenetowkr manager. which will not touch any interfaces handled already by interfaces afaik |
| 16:19.00 | en1gma | im talking about kdenetwork where you disable the nics and enable em |
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| 16:19.03 | wols_ | en1gma: the problem is there is no truth in what you say |
| 16:19.06 | en1gma | set em to dhcp and manual |
| 16:19.19 | deepblu | I just followed the custom kernel install/upgrade method via dpkg/make-kpkg to go to 2.6.19.3 kernel and after doing everything in the manual I reboot and get spurious ACK on isa .... anyone knows what is going on here ? |
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| 16:19.20 | wols_ | cause neither debian nor slack has the end all holy grail of network config |
| 16:19.22 | en1gma | it does not write anything to the /etc/networlk/interfaces file |
| 16:19.39 | valdyn | en1gma: so? |
| 16:19.43 | bonez39 | cydork, well, not error out...when it runs....just curious why it errors..and how or what permissions i need to change to prevent it from erroring |
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| 16:20.05 | en1gma | so it dont work |
| 16:20.11 | wols_ | bonez39: several ways, almost all bad |
| 16:20.22 | cydork | bonez39: ls -ld /var/log/squid should give you what you are looking for. |
| 16:20.22 | valdyn | en1gma: kdenetwork is a meta package. which program are you really talking about, btw? |
| 16:20.23 | wols_ | en1gma: have you filed a bug? |
| 16:20.35 | \amethyst | en1gma: Ah, so you configured a network device in KDE and it doesn't appear when you boot? Is that the problem? |
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| 16:20.50 | en1gma | i told you. the kdenetwrok that lets you enable and disable connections where you turn dhcp to on or to manual |
| 16:20.53 | jelly | en1gma: what is the exact program you start to edit those network settings in kde? |
| 16:21.00 | en1gma | no i didnt configure it in kde |
| 16:21.04 | en1gma | cause it damn dont work |
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| 16:21.18 | valdyn | en1gma: well, if you cant specify which program this is, then i have a hard time telling you what it could be doing |
| 16:21.21 | bonez39 | cydork, that gives this > fyrenice:/var/www/clearhealth# ls -ld /var/log/squid |
| 16:21.21 | bonez39 | drwxr-x--- 2 proxy proxy 4096 2007-02-20 06:29 /var/log/squid |
| 16:21.29 | wols_ | en1gma: there is no kdenetwork package that does what you descibe. there is only kdenetwork a metapackage with lots of stuff. so what do you mean exactly? |
| 16:21.30 | en1gma | ok 1 sec let me get exact name |
| 16:21.47 | valdyn | en1gma: one probability is that it fits into the network-manager frame, which is _not_ supposed to do anything to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:21.52 | cydork | bonez39: so as you can see you dont have permissions to see files in that dir for good reason :) |
| 16:22.14 | Azar | valdyn: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html << might be deprecated due to the fact that Etch does not use hotplug... could udev stanza be used on examples there? |
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| 16:22.20 | \amethyst | bonez39: and the error message you pasted came from trying to run squid? |
| 16:22.25 | en1gma | "K-menu>Settings>Internet and Network>Network Settings" |
| 16:22.32 | en1gma | that kdnetwork |
| 16:22.55 | valdyn | en1gma: you need root to change settings there? |
| 16:23.00 | en1gma | yes i know |
| 16:23.12 | en1gma | they dont stay (any settings i do) |
| 16:23.39 | wols_ | when you go in there: did it ask your for root password? |
| 16:23.40 | en1gma | i can disable and enable but i cant not do dhcp or manual |
| 16:23.59 | en1gma | i am root before i make any changes there |
| 16:24.10 | \amethyst | en1gma: you're running KDE as root? |
| 16:24.10 | en1gma | administrator |
| 16:24.13 | valdyn | Azar: udev includes hotplug so changing just some 'hotplug' to 'udev' could do |
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| 16:24.26 | Azar | thanks, valdyn :) |
| 16:24.28 | valdyn | Azar: file locations all are wrong though.. i guess |
| 16:24.28 | jelly | \amethyst: kcontrol asks for root password if it needs it |
| 16:24.37 | wols_ | debian has a "administrator"? |
| 16:24.39 | valdyn | !info hotplug etch |
| 16:24.40 | en1gma | ok so on to that problem |
| 16:24.41 | dpkg | hotplug: (Linux Hotplug Scripts), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.0.20040329-26 (etch), Packaged size: 65 kB, Installed size: 384 kB |
| 16:24.46 | en1gma | it does in that area |
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| 16:25.03 | en1gma | want a screenshot? |
| 16:25.06 | bonez39 | \amethyst, it shows up in email as a cron error message....every day...when all cron processes run...it apparently can read or write the logs it needs to..... |
| 16:25.15 | wols_ | en1gma: so what is in your /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 16:25.20 | Azar | en1gma: what if you exit kde, X and go to console as root? |
| 16:25.27 | jelly | en1gma: package that provides that is "knetworkconf", btw |
| 16:25.52 | en1gma | ok then the 2 files are fighting for control |
| 16:25.53 | \amethyst | bonez39: does the error message say what cron job produced that? |
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| 16:26.36 | jelly | wols_: KDE's control panel has an Administrator mode, and embeds the control that runs as root if you click that |
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| 16:26.45 | boguh | why there are still config files when i remove with --purge? |
| 16:27.01 | \amethyst | boguh: which package and which config files? |
| 16:27.02 | valdyn | en1gma: that kde tool should change /etc/network/interfaces as it looks to me. |
| 16:27.03 | wols_ | jelly: sure, but it won't change interfaces, will it? |
| 16:27.11 | jelly | wols_: so yes, debian's KDE has an "administrator" |
| 16:27.13 | \amethyst | boguh: if they didn't ship with the package, --purge won't remove them |
| 16:27.20 | jelly | wols_: no idea |
| 16:27.21 | en1gma | ok so its just not writing to it then or its broken |
| 16:27.26 | en1gma | would be my guess |
| 16:27.34 | valdyn | en1gma: did you read the docs for it? |
| 16:27.37 | wols_ | jelly: have to admit I doN't run kde, so can't say |
| 16:27.39 | boguh | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:27.43 | jelly | en1gma: it's most likely broken, yes |
| 16:28.00 | jelly | en1gma: you'll need to file a bug report against knetworkconf |
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| 16:28.07 | en1gma | well i followed a guide and if you look at it (it looks simple enough) right click the connection click manual and enter the data |
| 16:28.14 | en1gma | or click it and hit dhcp |
| 16:28.17 | bonez39 | \amethyst, unfortunately I tossed it already..let me see if I can find it.... |
| 16:28.37 | wols_ | en1gma: one last time: can you paste your /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 16:28.46 | en1gma | 1 sec |
| 16:28.49 | en1gma | ill do it |
| 16:29.27 | valdyn | en1gma: i mean, the docs should mention how it treats /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:29.28 | \amethyst | boguh: which files remain after purging? All of them? (postgresql.conf, pg_hba.conf, pg_ident.conf)? |
| 16:29.39 | boguh | \amethyst yes, all |
| 16:29.47 | \amethyst | boguh: and which package did you purge? |
| 16:29.48 | bonez39 | \amethyst, nope..it's gone....trashed...I'll have to ask tomorrow after this runs again...or can I get it to run at will, to produce the message? |
| 16:30.16 | boguh | \amethyst apt-get --purge remove postgresql-8.1 |
| 16:30.21 | en1gma | this file is from when i had another computer connected to this computers 2nd nic....the other computer was doing ics with this computer |
| 16:30.23 | en1gma | http://pastebin.ca/505522 |
| 16:30.24 | \amethyst | bonez39: not without knowing which cron job it was... maybe you could do grep squid /etc/cron.*/* |
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| 16:31.06 | en1gma | valdyn and this is why i was asking if there was another script that lets us run the network configurator |
| 16:31.17 | en1gma | i dont know why we couldnt as it does this when we install |
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| 16:32.44 | jelly | en1gma: the best bet in debian is to manually edit your /etc/network/interfaces, and add "auto eth2\n\tiface eth2 inet dhcp" lines ... if eth2 is your second device |
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| 16:32.58 | stew | or use network-manager |
| 16:33.09 | jelly | wtf is network-manager |
| 16:33.09 | valdyn | en1gma: there's probably a few, circumstantially competing user tools, but only one /etc/network/interfaces for root |
| 16:33.17 | wols_ | en1gma: there is nothing in that file which says an interface is on dhcp |
| 16:33.36 | wols_ | if it's eth0 you want on dhcp, enter |
| 16:33.37 | en1gma | and this is why i wanted to set it with kdenetwork |
| 16:33.40 | wols_ | auto eth0 |
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| 16:33.42 | valdyn | jelly: daemon letting users change network settings outside of /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:33.44 | en1gma | right click set to dhcp |
| 16:33.51 | wols_ | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 16:33.54 | jelly | valdyn: yet another one? |
| 16:34.01 | en1gma | eth0 = my firewire so i know i do not want that |
| 16:34.07 | en1gma | eth2 = my net connection |
| 16:34.12 | en1gma | eth1 = 2nd nic |
| 16:34.13 | stew | jelly: a gnomy thing that manages your interfaces for you, does stuff like "view available wireless networks..." (afaik, i dont' use it, but lots of poeple are starting to) |
| 16:34.24 | valdyn | net actually a gnome thingie |
| 16:34.27 | valdyn | not actually a gnome thingie |
| 16:34.34 | wols_ | en1gma: then change the eth0 in my example to eth2 then |
| 16:34.35 | stew | oh |
| 16:34.39 | jelly | stew: hmm, I guess a gnomish thing doesn't mix well with kde |
| 16:35.20 | valdyn | network-managert is de agnostic, there's at least kde and gnome gui frontends |
| 16:35.20 | wols_ | stew: isn#t it set up so it ignores a NIC defined in interfaces |
| 16:35.20 | en1gma | i have removed the other computer that was ICS i no longer need those manual entries for eth1 |
| 16:35.21 | jelly | it's true that there should one decent easy way to setup the network |
| 16:35.21 | en1gma | i would now like it to be dhcp too |
| 16:35.21 | jelly | be* |
| 16:35.26 | bonez39 | \amethyst, hmmm that reveals nothing, just a prompt return..no data... |
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| 16:35.32 | bonez39 | I'll watch it tomorrow and then come back.. |
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| 16:36.22 | jelly | en1gma: see that last commented out line in your interfaces file? change eth0 to eth2, uncomment it, and add a line with "auto eth2" above it |
| 16:36.35 | valdyn | wols_: it is |
| 16:36.41 | jelly | en1gma: after that, do ifup eth2 (or reboot), that should do the trick |
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| 16:37.23 | Kobaz | hmm, are there any preferences for apt to do rate limiting for downloads |
| 16:37.46 | jelly | Kobaz: you could use trickle, I guess |
| 16:37.47 | valdyn | Kobaz: no, but you can use trickle |
| 16:37.55 | en1gma | well yea i understand how to do this manually |
| 16:38.06 | en1gma | im the one that put that info in that file in the first place |
| 16:38.14 | Kobaz | k |
| 16:38.32 | Kobaz | very nice |
| 16:38.35 | en1gma | im saying instead of having to do it manually each time you add a computer or remove one from your network (do you really need to do this manually) |
| 16:38.49 | en1gma | isnt there an easier way like kde network manager |
| 16:38.58 | en1gma | or some tiny scrript |
| 16:39.18 | en1gma | i mean there is a script on the install cd/dvd why cant we use that |
| 16:39.28 | jelly | en1gma: why would you have to change it on this machine when adding another computer? |
| 16:39.40 | en1gma | to do ics you have to set it manual |
| 16:40.28 | valdyn | en1gma: etherconf |
| 16:40.31 | en1gma | instead of asking why....we should be asking why isnt there a small script we can use to do this |
| 16:40.37 | jelly | en1gma: so you basically want to have two different network setups? |
| 16:40.39 | en1gma | there is one when we install debian |
| 16:40.45 | en1gma | yea sometimes i do |
| 16:40.47 | valdyn | !etherconf |
| 16:40.47 | dpkg | somebody said etherconf was a package that can be used to redo the initial configuration on your NIC....install it and then 'dpkg-reconfigure etherconf' |
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| 16:41.02 | en1gma | thank-you |
| 16:41.02 | sobersabre | what is the EFI GPT+ partition ? |
| 16:41.08 | \amethyst | valdyn: no such package here |
| 16:41.17 | valdyn | \amethyst: in etch? |
| 16:41.20 | en1gma | crap |
| 16:41.26 | \amethyst | valdyn: sid... it's gone from etch, though |
| 16:41.36 | sobersabre | I can mount /dev/sda7,8, etc., but when reading the filesystem with fdisk, all I can see is EFI GPT partition |
| 16:41.37 | \amethyst | valdyn: pdo says it's in oldstable |
| 16:41.39 | jelly | sobersabre: it's a partition table format, suitable for very large devices |
| 16:41.42 | en1gma | sweet im using sid |
| 16:41.47 | en1gma | so its in there? |
| 16:41.59 | sobersabre | jelly: how can I see the real contents of the partition table then ? |
| 16:42.03 | jelly | sobersabre: fdisk doesn't know about it |
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| 16:42.07 | en1gma | valdyn is it in sid? |
| 16:42.11 | \amethyst | sobersabre: try parted |
| 16:42.19 | sobersabre | jelly, thanks! |
| 16:42.43 | valdyn | en1gma: no |
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| 16:42.50 | yos87 | Hi |
| 16:42.53 | en1gma | so that wont work for me then? |
| 16:42.57 | en1gma | shiat |
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| 16:43.39 | yos87 | I have question, I have debian etch, when I try to install any application, I have error http://pastebin.ca/505534 somebody can help me? |
| 16:43.41 | en1gma | i just want a clean (defualt) /etc/network/interfaces file.....shouldnt we be able to do this? |
| 16:43.53 | wols_ | sobersabre: it's a special partition table and EFI is the bootloader for itanium computers and intel Macs |
| 16:44.05 | en1gma | the chances are that if i edit it....it will not be exactly default |
| 16:44.07 | wols_ | EFI needs a partition on the disk to work (now how stupid is THAT?) |
| 16:44.18 | jelly | en1gma: there's actually a number of packages that are supposed to handle different or dynamic network setup, but I don't know which one is suitable for your purpose |
| 16:44.29 | \amethyst | yos87: do you have everything installed that it needs to compile? |
| 16:44.34 | sobersabre | jelly: thanks, I've found I have one spare SCSI disk of 36GB :) |
| 16:44.35 | cydork | yos87: first of all why are you compiling it? |
| 16:44.43 | sobersabre | this is nice. |
| 16:44.44 | cydork | !b-e yos87 |
| 16:44.44 | dpkg | yos87: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 16:45.05 | en1gma | is there anyway i can use a script from another distor? like do they belong to linux or are they distro specific? |
| 16:45.13 | \amethyst | yos87: In addition to build-essential, you will want all of the -dev packages for libraries that it depends on |
| 16:45.26 | xand | en1gma: depends on the script innit |
| 16:45.29 | wols_ | en1gma: almost all distro families have their own way of configuring the network |
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| 16:45.55 | wols_ | you might get lucky and use a ubuntu script in debian, but as soon as you use a RH one or slack one, it will go kaboom |
| 16:45.55 | \amethyst | yos87: If you absolutely need 0.10.0 and not 0.9.6, you might have more luck getting the source package from unstable and building it the debian way |
| 16:45.55 | yos87 | cydork: because I have the old version of 0.9, I want to install the 0.10.0 |
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| 16:45.56 | en1gma | ok so its prob specific....guess im going to go into #kde and start with them on there interfaces prob |
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| 16:46.25 | \amethyst | yos87: You're running etch I presume? |
| 16:46.44 | jelly | en1gma: if you want knetworkconf to work on Debian, best bet would be to report a bug on it |
| 16:46.59 | yos87 | \amethyst: yes |
| 16:47.13 | en1gma | let me make sure its not my fault and that there is a problem first....in #KDE right now |
| 16:47.15 | en1gma | thanks all |
| 16:47.29 | yos87 | \amethyst: how to get the sources package from the unstable and build it to debian way? |
| 16:47.31 | cydork | yos87: then also check /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 16:47.40 | jelly | brb |
| 16:47.53 | cydork | yos87: also take a look at backports.org |
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| 16:48.39 | yos87 | \amethyst: i'm not having this error only here, it come with any applicaion I want to install, like vmware |
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| 16:49.01 | \amethyst | yos87: because, as it says, you don't have the software necessary to compile them |
| 16:49.11 | \amethyst | yos87: you need at the very least build-essentials |
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| 16:49.26 | hipodilski | My font size in X in apps like iceweasel seem to be very small how can I change this? |
| 16:49.33 | \amethyst | yos87: but also, each program you compile is going to depend on certain libraries, and you need the -dev packages for those libraries |
| 16:49.54 | hipodilski | and what is the reason the font is so small it's even hard to read what is written |
| 16:50.14 | hipodilski | I'm running upgraded etch from sarge |
| 16:50.27 | yos87 | \amethyst: then what I do? I install the build-essentials ? |
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| 16:51.27 | \amethyst | !simple sid backport |
| 16:51.27 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly. |
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| 16:52.04 | \amethyst | yos87: ^^^ You can use that for rhythmbox |
| 16:52.30 | \amethyst | yos87: the apt-get build-dep packagename installs all the packages needed to build it |
| 16:52.32 | jelly | en1gma: FWIW, I've just tried messing with my eth0 interface in kcontrol -> Internet & Network -> Network Settings (on a lenny machine) and it updated /etc/network/interfaces as it should have. |
| 16:52.36 | ericjames | Hello, I'm experiencing an issue getting my linux machine online. |
| 16:52.59 | yos87 | \amethyst: I'm doing ... |
| 16:53.01 | \amethyst | yos87: however, those packages might have changed between 0.9 and 0.10, so you need to do 1) and 2) first |
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| 16:54.05 | ericjames | I am new to linux. My cable provider is receiving a mac address from my network card, however my network config utility does not seem to be recieving the IP Adress. By default it is set to "loop back" and I am getting a " |
| 16:54.12 | ericjames | 127" IP Adrees. |
| 16:54.29 | ericjames | but when i change the setting to ethernet I get no IP at all. |
| 16:54.45 | ericjames | Could this be a driver issue? |
| 16:55.09 | en1gma | jelly maybe its a sid problem |
| 16:55.10 | en1gma | ? |
| 16:55.15 | yos87 | \amethyst: is there any reason you put backslash "\" before your name? or just like this? |
| 16:55.33 | en1gma | let me try it through k-control |
| 16:55.35 | jelly | en1gma: knetworkconf is v. 4:3.5.5-4 here |
| 16:55.45 | jelly | en1gma: kcontrol is the same thing |
| 16:55.47 | en1gma | k 1 sec i do it through the other way |
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| 16:56.11 | Supaplex | ericjames: man interfaces. you should have lo (loopback) and eth0 |
| 16:56.20 | ericjames | yes |
| 16:57.02 | ericjames | it is "lo" by default giving me a 127 IP Addr. When changed to eth0 I have get no IP. |
| 16:57.06 | en1gma | jelly are you talking about kde control center? if so mine is 3.5.6 |
| 16:57.49 | ericjames | When I restart the computer (hopeing to recieve the IP), It reverts back to "lo" |
| 16:57.55 | Supaplex | ericjames: lo is a virtual interface, don't mess with it. run /etc/init.d/networking restart to act on your changes to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:58.00 | Supaplex | !reboot |
| 16:58.00 | dpkg | you want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about qotd2 |
| 16:58.18 | rahul | !qotd2 |
| 16:58.19 | dpkg | <mrvn> Broadcast message from root (Sat Aug 7 05:48:42 2004): <mrvn> The system is going down for system halt NOW! <mrvn> What the fuck is dselect/dpkg doing a reboot for? <trave11er> mrvn: for changes to take effect? ;-) <StevenK> mrvn: You *had* to move the mouse, didn't you? <mrvn> StevenK: damn, yes. I accidentally pushed it. |
| 16:58.20 | en1gma | jelly how is yours newer then mine when i am running sid |
| 16:58.22 | ericjames | type this at the terminal? |
| 16:58.27 | Supaplex | ericjames: you are missing auto eth0 and iface eth0 inet dhcp I think. |
| 16:58.46 | Supaplex | ericjames: yes, as root. |
| 16:59.26 | ericjames | i do not have a router, should I connect the modem to my linux machine before doing this? |
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| 17:03.25 | ericjames | supaplex: I have typed "/etc/init.d/networking" do I restart from "desktop>shutdown" or type a command? |
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| 17:03.42 | ericjames | sorry I am totally new to unix/linux. |
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| 17:05.13 | helo | is a nameserver required for a netinst install? |
| 17:05.16 | yoshio | ericjames: /etc/init.d/networking restart (as root) |
| 17:05.22 | wols_ | as root, type "/etc/init.d/networking restart" to restart your network and make it rered it's settings |
| 17:06.55 | FromTO | does anyone know what package the commands more and whereis uname are in. For some reason they just disapeared on me |
| 17:06.55 | yos87 | \amethyst: I add backports, the same, it say no updates |
| 17:06.55 | \amethyst | !simple sid backport |
| 17:06.56 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly. |
| 17:06.56 | \amethyst | yos87: then you'll have do 1)--4) |
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| 17:06.57 | yoshio | fromto: util-linux: /usr/bin/whereis |
| 17:06.57 | yoshio | coreutils: /bin/uname |
| 17:07.00 | yoshio | util-linux: /bin/more |
| 17:07.11 | FromTO | yoshio: thanks |
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| 17:07.50 | cydork | FromTO: try this next time -> /msg dpkg search |
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| 17:08.56 | FromTO | cydork: thanks. I will try it now and see what else I get |
| 17:09.19 | ericjames | yoshio: "There is already a pid file var/run/dhclient .et0.pid with pid 2229 killed old client process, removed pid file" etc. |
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| 17:11.44 | yoshio | ericjames: just an informational message, nothing to worry about |
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| 17:12.18 | ericjames | yoshio: If I connect my modem now, it should connect? |
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| 17:13.04 | helo | dpkg: tell me about package clone |
| 17:13.07 | helo | hmmm |
| 17:14.16 | cydork | helo: package clone?? |
| 17:14.36 | cydork | helo: what are you looking for exactly? |
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| 17:14.58 | helo | i want to install all the packages installed on one system onto another |
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| 17:15.12 | helo | can't remember the dpkg keyword to get the second half of the instructions :) |
| 17:15.16 | yoshio | ericjames: in your /etc/network/interfaces file , you should have the lines "auto eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp". once you have that, plug in your cable/dsl modem, and type "/etc/init.d/networking restart" |
| 17:15.18 | cydork | helo: /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
| 17:15.22 | helo | there we go |
| 17:15.59 | yos87 | how to get the list of all bakports packages? |
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| 17:16.24 | lepton | backports.org ? |
| 17:16.38 | ericjames | I have to disconnect this pc to connect the other. Is this all the information I will need? |
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| 17:17.27 | yoshio | yos87: if you already have done an "aptitude update" with the backports.org site in your /etc/apt/sources.list, then look at /var/cache/apt |
| 17:17.43 | helo | ok, the second part of the "aptitude clone" instructions only installs the named kernel version (from '2.6' to '2.6.18') and nothing else |
| 17:18.21 | yoshio | ericjames: try typing "ifconfig -a" to make sure you see the eth0 device |
| 17:19.17 | yoshio | ericjames: if you don't see eth0, then it won't come up, because it doesn't exist. if you don't see it, then you will have to figure out which kernel module you need to install |
| 17:19.27 | \amethyst | I've done a fair bit of CSV processing in perl |
| 17:19.30 | \amethyst | doh |
| 17:19.32 | \amethyst | wrong channel |
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| 17:20.00 | ericjames | yoshio: After eth0 I see the mac address from my network card |
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| 17:21.09 | yoshio | ericjames: OK, the kernel recognizes eth0, that's good. yes, disconnect this pc, and try the other |
| 17:21.27 | ericjames | thank you, Ill return in a few. |
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| 17:22.29 | yoshio | yos87: oops, the contents of that directory wasn't very pretty |
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| 17:22.52 | yos87 | yoshio: the same happened here |
| 17:23.14 | yos87 | yoshio: thank you for help |
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| 17:24.36 | RainCT | hi |
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| 17:24.56 | RainCT | is Debian 21 CDs big? :O |
| 17:25.09 | vulture | Probably |
| 17:25.13 | yos87 | \amethyst: I'm doing all seps |
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| 17:26.20 | RainCT | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/bt-cd/ do I need all 32 if I want to install it, ir is one of them enough? |
| 17:26.58 | mrsn0 | first cd is fine RainCT |
| 17:27.00 | yoshio | yos87: http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=packages says that the list is not available, it says to go to http://backports.org/debian/pool , which is also not a very pretty way of searching for packages |
| 17:27.10 | mrsn0 | if you prefer xfce or kde over gnome (which it defaults to) then grab the xfce- or kde- cd instead |
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| 17:28.00 | yos87 | yoshio: yea, I saw it, this is the problem, why don't the made a list? |
| 17:28.04 | RainCT | ok, thanks |
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| 17:28.36 | wathek | hello all |
| 17:28.43 | yos87 | hello |
| 17:28.51 | \amethyst | RainCT: netinstall is even better |
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| 17:29.21 | \amethyst | RainCT: assuming the computer is going to be on the intertubes when you install |
| 17:29.31 | yos87 | \amethyst: if he is new, he need the gnome desktop, don't advice him for the netinst as they did when I was new |
| 17:29.43 | wathek | I had a problem with my Debian I'm trying to repaire the /dev/hda1 partition with fsck.ext3 but it takes a while :( |
| 17:30.30 | \amethyst | you need to select the Desktop task |
| 17:30.31 | yoshio | yos87: try http://backports.org/debian/dists/etch-backports/main/binary-i386/Packages |
| 17:31.06 | wathek | and I can't reinstall the system because I've only one partition and I got some data in it |
| 17:31.06 | \amethyst | yos87: AFAICT the new rhythmbox isn't on backports.org at the moment |
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| 17:31.45 | yos87 | yoshio: thank you very much |
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| 17:32.08 | yos87 | \amethyst: i'm trying to install by hand |
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| 17:32.36 | yoshio | yos87: if you need sarge or something other than i386, shorten the path, and find whatever architecture you need |
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| 17:32.44 | RainCT | yos87: is it live CD like in Ubuntu? |
| 17:33.03 | helo | i have this debian system setup exactly how i want it, and i'd like to be able to setup similar systems without much effort, ideally from a cd/dvd... is there a relatively simple way to do this? |
| 17:33.42 | mrsn0 | helo yes, you can create your own livecd with what packages you have installed |
| 17:33.43 | yos87 | RainCT: I don't have idea about Ubuntu, sorry |
| 17:33.52 | \amethyst | RainCT: no, but livecds are available from http://live.debian.net/ |
| 17:34.10 | mrsn0 | or alternatively export the list of installed packages from dpkg, then on a new system you can "import" the package list and get them installed |
| 17:34.33 | wathek | what causes the partition damage ? |
| 17:34.35 | jelly | heh. "Freenode and OFTC IRC networks buddy up (Linux.com)" |
| 17:34.57 | helo | mrsn0: where do i start with the livecd approach? |
| 17:35.09 | helo | the package export ("aptitude clone") instructions don't work for me |
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| 17:35.28 | mrsn0 | helo by installing the live package |
| 17:36.03 | mrsn0 | check the url that Amorphous pasted above helo |
| 17:36.06 | mrsn0 | i believe it has instructions |
| 17:36.38 | helo | awesome, thanks |
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| 17:37.03 | RainCT | yos87, \amethyst: what's the problem with netinstall? |
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| 17:38.08 | \amethyst | RainCT: You have to explicitly select "Desktop" when it asks you about tasks, or it won't install Gnome, X, etc |
| 17:38.13 | mrsn0 | ah helo its called live-package / live-helper |
| 17:38.33 | mrsn0 | only in lenny/testing unfortunately, maybe its in etch backports, im not sure |
| 17:38.39 | patrikf | which non-linear video editing system (on- or off-line) for linux would you recommend? |
| 17:38.44 | helo | hmm |
| 17:39.00 | yoshio | helo: you can do dpkg --get-selections >MyPackageList.txt and dpkg --set-selections < MyPackageList.txt . if you want to configure the packages the same way, google for "pre-seeding" (I think) |
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| 17:39.24 | deepblu | patrikf, blender |
| 17:39.37 | \amethyst | benje: blender does nlve? |
| 17:39.38 | helo | thanks yoshio |
| 17:39.39 | yos87 | RainCT: use netinst if you want to use debian on the text mode, for the graphic mode need at least the cd1 |
| 17:39.40 | \amethyst | err |
| 17:39.47 | \amethyst | deepblue: blender does nlve? |
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| 17:39.59 | patrikf | deepblu: I know blender as a 3D modelling program, but not for video editing?! |
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| 17:40.03 | benje | what \amethyst |
| 17:40.12 | \amethyst | benje: I miscompleted a nick, sorry |
| 17:40.17 | benje | ;) |
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| 17:41.22 | RainCT | yos87: ah ok |
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| 17:41.48 | helo | aww you got me excited... no backport of live-package :( |
| 17:41.55 | deepblu | patrikf, check it out, it has complete video editing facilities |
| 17:42.21 | deepblu | fully functional Video Sequence Editor as well as an advanced node-based editor that also manipulates a video stream. |
| 17:42.25 | mrsn0 | im sure you could grab it from lenny helo, but i haven't tried |
| 17:42.42 | \amethyst | patrikf: aptitude search "~dnon-linear" lists kino, openmovieeditor, pitivi as promising possibilities |
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| 17:42.53 | helo | ahh, maybe at live.debian.net |
| 17:42.54 | \amethyst | patrikf: and apparently blender |
| 17:42.58 | deepblu | blender is like a swiss knife |
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| 17:44.19 | \amethyst | patrikf: there's also cinelerra, but AFAIK there isn't a debian package for it |
| 17:44.38 | patrikf | \amethyst: I hoped there was something more professional than kino and less crappy than cinelerra ;) |
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| 17:45.20 | patrikf | jahshaka seems promising too... |
| 17:45.23 | yos87 | \amethyst: Done, it works, THank you very much for the help |
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| 17:45.30 | \amethyst | yos87: cool |
| 17:45.30 | Fox | tchô |
| 17:45.35 | Kleber_ | hello folks, I "aliened" a rpm package for marsnwe (from SuSE) to install it on Etch, but I run nwserv I got a error like "version 'GLIBC_2.4' not found" , I have libc6 package installed ok, any tip to solve my problem ? |
| 17:45.43 | ricjames | yoshio: I reset my modem, connected it to the machine with linux, called my cabel provider to ensure that they were picking up a mac adress, checked the /etc/network/inteface file for eth0 and iface et0 inet dhcp (the file says "#the loopback network interface auto lo iface lo inet loopback #the primary network interface allow-hotplug eth0 iface eth0 inet dhcp"), I then entered "/etc/init.d/networking restart" in the terminal |
| 17:45.52 | Kleber_ | I think there's no glibc_2.4 on etch... |
| 17:45.58 | ricjames | ...not connect, infact in my network tools - devices I no longer have the eth0 option under Network Device, only the lo option |
| 17:45.59 | \amethyst | Kleber_: etch has glibc 2.3 |
| 17:46.19 | Kleber_ | \amethyst: there's a compat package to 2.4 ? |
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| 17:46.53 | mustard | after a dist-upgrade, my accounts in icedove and gaim seem to have gone missing. Any ideas how to re-instate them? I;ve kind of done it for gaim from backups, but not for icedove. |
| 17:47.00 | dos000 | anyone tell me what happened to php4-pear-log in ethc ? |
| 17:47.03 | Azar | hmm debian-live was removed from etch at some time being old... ? |
| 17:47.16 | \amethyst | Kleber_: No... libc6 2.5 from unstable might work |
| 17:47.29 | wols_ | mustard: there should be a dot directory for icedove in your ~ |
| 17:47.33 | dos000 | i tried php-log and it tries to bring in php5 which i am still not upgrading to |
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| 17:47.41 | Kleber_ | is there any compat package to glibc_2.4 on etch ? |
| 17:47.50 | lepton | ricjames: what messages when you "/etc/init.d/networking restart" ? |
| 17:48.05 | \amethyst | Kleber_: you could theoretically get glibc packages from suse, put them in a directory, and prepend that to LD_LIBRARY_PATH when running the program |
| 17:48.06 | mustard | wols_: I looked and there is no ~/.icedove - also setting up a new account in icedove doesn't seem to work |
| 17:48.09 | cilkay | Hello. On Etch, I'm trying to get PostgreSQL 8.1 to create databases with default UTF8 encoding. PG usually infers the encoding it should use from the default locale for the OS. I have en_CA.UTF-8 for $LANG but PG still falls back to SQL_ASCII. Where can I explicitly specify the encoding for PostgreSQL databases so that initdb uses that encoding? |
| 17:48.10 | wols_ | Kleber_: why would there if etch only has 2.3 max as a normal libc6? |
| 17:48.23 | stickybit`_ | !pdf editor |
| 17:48.36 | \amethyst | Kleber_: debian only get glibc > 2.3 very recently, after etch was released |
| 17:48.40 | wols_ | mustard: run icedove from a xterm and watch for any error messages in there |
| 17:48.44 | lepton | ricjames: lights on/by ethernet jack on debian box blinking when plugged in? cables checked? |
| 17:49.06 | Kleber_ | \amethyst: good idea, let me try... |
| 17:49.10 | Kleber_ | wols_: I dunno :-) |
| 17:49.13 | wols_ | ricjames: what does ifconfig -a say? |
| 17:49.25 | Kleber_ | wols_: just to solve my problem hehehehehe |
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| 17:49.43 | stickybit`_ | \amethyst: do you know any good pdf editor? |
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| 17:50.04 | Kleber_ | \amethyst: I will try your tips |
| 17:50.12 | Kleber_ | \amethyst: thanks |
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| 17:51.09 | \amethyst | stickybit`_: edit in what way? |
| 17:51.15 | sparrw | if i cant put my swap at the beginning of the drive, is it better to have it in the middle or at the end? |
| 17:51.28 | wols_ | stickybit`_: have you googled about it? |
| 17:51.40 | \amethyst | Kleber_: make sure you install it somewhere other than the default location---you don't want it screwing up debian |
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| 17:51.59 | \amethyst | Kleber_: maybe make a /suse/ subdirectory or something |
| 17:52.02 | wols_ | sparrw: middle is better for seek times. beginning is better for transfer speed. your call |
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| 17:52.40 | ricjames | wols_: "eth0 link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:08:A1:33:A3:13" ...ETC |
| 17:53.00 | wols_ | ricjames: then the interface is there but you haven't configured it correctly |
| 17:53.06 | stickybit`_ | wols_: i am googling for it |
| 17:53.08 | wols_ | ricjames: paste your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:53.16 | \amethyst | cilkay: create database foo with encoding='UTF8' |
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| 17:53.22 | wols_ | stickybit`_: I did one google and found lots of links. some hard, some easy to use |
| 17:53.30 | ricjames | i cant paste. im using a different pc. |
| 17:53.39 | wols_ | stickybit`_: note how you can only do stuff like filling out forms with PDF |
| 17:53.42 | \amethyst | cilkay: for the default you can do initdb -E UTF8 |
| 17:53.47 | kath`` | wols_, wasn't it the end(that is, sectors going under the heads faster) that was good for transfer speeds? Or did I misread something? |
| 17:53.50 | wols_ | you can't really edit a pdf like a text |
| 17:54.16 | stickybit`_ | wols_: ok |
| 17:54.16 | ricjames | wols_: hang on i'll type it. |
| 17:54.20 | cilkay | \amethyst: I don't want to specify the encoding every time I do an initdb. I want template1 to be UTF8 so that the default will be UTF8. |
| 17:54.23 | wols_ | kath``: no. disks beginning are outside sectors, end is inside sectors. in about 99% of all disks |
| 17:54.34 | stickybit`_ | wols_: what do you think about latex? |
| 17:54.41 | wols_ | so the beginning of the disk you get more scectors under the head than at the end |
| 17:54.55 | wols_ | stickybit`_: for what? |
| 17:54.57 | irule | I cant browse a samba share, the config file has been scp from a working server, I just disabled selinux, what else could it be? thanks |
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| 17:55.05 | fatman | Hello, I am Fat Man and I weigh 400 pounds! You can see video of my supreme fatness at www.fat-man.org |
| 17:55.06 | wols_ | ricjames: I doN#t want a typing. I want a paste |
| 17:55.06 | kath`` | wols_, Hmm... I actually thought it was the other way around, I'll go enlighten myself with some reading :P |
| 17:55.15 | fatman | Hello, I am Fat Man and I weigh 400 pounds! You can see video of my supreme fatness at www.fat-man.org |
| 17:55.16 | wols_ | typing means errors and you most probably already have an error |
| 17:55.22 | wols_ | which is why it's working |
| 17:55.23 | helo | how time consuming is it for a .deb newbie to make his own .debs to install commercial software? |
| 17:55.47 | cilkay | \amethyst: that only works if template1 is initialized as UTF8. The question is, how does PG decide which encoding to use on the creation of the template1 cluster? |
| 17:55.47 | helo | strictly for convenience, not distribution |
| 17:56.28 | \amethyst | cilkay: the docs say ``If no -E or --encoding option is given, initdb attempts to determine the appropriate encoding to use based on the specified or default locale.'' |
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| 17:56.34 | ricjames | #This file describes the network interfaces avainable on your system #and how to activate them. for more information see interfaces(5). #the loopback network interface auto lo iface lo inet loopback #the primary network interface allow-hotplug eth0 iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 17:57.00 | ricjames | thats everything the interface file says. |
| 17:57.07 | \amethyst | cilkay: So maybe the locale was set differently when the templates got created? |
| 17:57.07 | dos000 | can you have php4 and php5 both installed on ethc ? |
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| 17:57.29 | RainCT | bye |
| 17:57.33 | solar_ant | hey all |
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| 17:57.36 | cilkay | \amethyst: correct. The default locale in the environment was en_CA.UTF-8 before PG was installed and the clusters initialized. |
| 17:57.43 | wols_ | ricjames: I want a pste. no typing. you made a typo in the first line even |
| 17:57.48 | solar_ant | whats the best control panel to use , to provide hosting service |
| 17:57.55 | wols_ | how would I know this is the file as it is on disk? |
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| 17:57.57 | ricjames | wols_: I would paste if I could, but I cant get the linux machine online. |
| 17:58.03 | RainCT | thanks mrsn0 yos87 \amethyst |
| 17:58.03 | cilkay | solar_ant: shell. They're all useless. |
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| 17:58.34 | solar_ant | my requirments are when i add a domain to a server ...... it should act as an virtual host . and i need a custom script to execute everytime i execute that |
| 17:58.38 | wols_ | ricjames: what does /etc/init.d/networking restart say? |
| 17:58.39 | yos87 | RainCT: you are welcome |
| 17:58.40 | nvz | dos000: I suppose you mean etch, and it seems the answer is no |
| 17:58.52 | nvz | !depends libapache-mod-php5 |
| 17:58.54 | dpkg | libapache-mod-php5: depends on libbz2-1.0, libc6 (>= 2.5-5), libcomerr2 (>= 1.33-3), libdb4.4, libkrb53 (>= 1.6.dfsg.1), libpcre3 (>= 4.5), libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8c-1), libxml2 (>= 2.6.28), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), mime-support (>= 2.03-1), apache-common (>= 1.3.34), php5-common (= 5.2.2-1+b1), libmagic1, ucf |
| 17:58.55 | solar_ant | cilkay: i know , but i need to give a solution to my client , he cant use shell :) |
| 17:59.07 | cilkay | solar_ant: esp. the popular ones like cPanel and Plesk essentially take over your machine and create a custom distro with stupid dependencies on ancient versions of some packages. |
| 17:59.11 | wols_ | solar_ant: from what I remember there is no hosting panel in debian. so we can't help you with your question |
| 17:59.32 | solar_ant | wols_: what about webmin ? |
| 17:59.38 | nvz | er doh |
| 17:59.40 | wols_ | !webmin |
| 17:59.40 | dpkg | webmin is, like, a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 17:59.47 | nvz | !conflicts libapache-mod-php5 |
| 17:59.49 | dpkg | libapache-mod-php5: php3, php4 (<< 4:4.3.8-6), libapache-mod-php4 |
| 17:59.50 | solar_ant | just wonder if it would be possible to customise webmin to my needs |
| 17:59.50 | wols_ | solar_ant: that's about the worst thing you can get |
| 17:59.51 | cilkay | solar_ant: I've tried many free ones, like Webmin, ISPConfig, and others but found them all wnating. |
| 17:59.54 | nvz | dos000: ^^ |
| 17:59.55 | dos000 | nvz, thanks |
| 18:00.19 | cilkay | solar_ant: and the commercial ones pretty much lock you into their way of doing things, which I'm not willing to live with. |
| 18:00.22 | solar_ant | disappointing :( |
| 18:00.38 | nvz | dos000: I've heard many people express that concern though. I dont do php and barely use apache.. so I dont know what the real issue is with having both |
| 18:00.41 | dos000 | solar_ant, did you try ispconfig yet ? |
| 18:00.41 | solar_ant | i tried plesk and cpanel ....... they suck |
| 18:00.46 | solar_ant | dos000: no |
| 18:01.00 | solar_ant | dos000: probably i shoulr try it now |
| 18:01.13 | \amethyst | cilkay: according to the docs for 7.4 (which is what I have here), initdb -E "Selects the encoding of the template database... The default is SQL_ASCII." |
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| 18:01.20 | nvz | dos000: I'd think its just a server side scripting language basically and most scripting languages you could install simultanious versions and just specify which should run each script |
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| 18:01.44 | mirabilos | hi, anyone here from debian-legal@ any problems with this licence (I don't find any): Modification and redistribution in source and binary forms is permitted provided that due credit is given to the author and the OpenBSD project by leaving this copyright notice intact. |
| 18:01.48 | dos000 | nvz, yes .. this dependency is crazy |
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| 18:02.08 | \amethyst | cilkay: Was this originally 8.1, or upgraded from something earlier? |
| 18:02.13 | cilkay | \amethyst: that is also the case for 8x but the encoding of the template db should be inferred from the locale, which it isn't. |
| 18:02.14 | wols_ | mirabilos: ask the debian-legal mailinglist |
| 18:02.18 | nvz | dos000: there must be a reason why they conflict in the package system |
| 18:02.19 | cilkay | \amethyst: fresh install of everything |
| 18:02.24 | wols_ | but from the looks of it it's a quite permissive BSD type license |
| 18:02.33 | nvz | !maint libapache-mod-php5 |
| 18:02.35 | dpkg | libapache-mod-php5: Debian PHP Maintainers <pkg-php-maint@lists.alioth.debian.org> |
| 18:02.39 | nvz | dos000: I'd ask them |
| 18:02.41 | dos000 | nvz, i just wont install them then |
| 18:02.59 | mirabilos | wols: I know that I could ask the mailing list, but _maybe_ this is a short-circuit... |
| 18:03.19 | wols_ | mirabilos: short circuits in legal matters are a myth |
| 18:03.54 | cilkay | \amethyst: I've modified the init script for PG on Mandriva before so that the first time the PG cluster was initialized, it would default to UTF8. I don't see where I can specify the encoding in Debian's init scripts. |
| 18:04.15 | ricjames | wols_:there is already a pid file /var/run/dhclient.eth0.pid with pid 2228 killed old client process, removed PID file" ... "Listening on LPF/eth0/00:08:a1:33:a3:13 Sending on LPF/eth0/00:08:a1:33:a3:13 Sending on socket/fallback DHCPRELEASE on eth0 to 63.67.120.2 port 67 send_packet: Network is unreachable send_packet: please consult read me file regarding broadcast address. done." |
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| 18:04.42 | cilkay | \amethyst: once you initdb template1 with UTF8, the default for all subsequent initdb operations will be UTF8 unless you specify otherwise. That's what I'm looking for. |
| 18:04.46 | nvz | dos000: do you know for a fact it would work despite the conflicts? |
| 18:04.47 | dos000 | solar_ant, there is also vhcs |
| 18:04.59 | dos000 | nvz, no idea .. just was being careful |
| 18:05.01 | nvz | dos000: like I said I'm not a php developer I dont understand the issue fully |
| 18:05.04 | cilkay | solar_ant: I also tried vhcs. It was also borked. |
| 18:05.08 | wols_ | ricjames: you don't have a connection basically |
| 18:05.34 | wols_ | ricjames: somehow for some reason the cable isn't transmitting any data. as someone else suggested: any lights on the switch or the NIC on? |
| 18:05.35 | dos000 | cilkay, i tried it a while ago on sarge and was ok |
| 18:05.38 | nvz | dos000: I do realize though for some reason a lot of people ask about having multiple versions.. I am not sure why you'd want that, but I can speculate.. |
| 18:05.40 | solar_ant | my requirments are very simple though , i just want the contol panel to give a hook to execute my scipt when i create a virtual host ! |
| 18:05.42 | wols_ | (if ther are any) |
| 18:05.45 | dos000 | cilkay, i tried it from source |
| 18:05.58 | cilkay | solar_ant: not to mention dependent on technologies that I don't think should be doing suid operations |
| 18:06.06 | dos000 | nvz, if you have multiple apps specially old ones |
| 18:06.08 | wols_ | solar_ant: the only, ONLY reason to run a panel thingie is for customers to use |
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| 18:06.18 | Mustang_Matt | I just dist-upgraded from sarge to etch but apache2 is complaining about libphp5.so being garbled? |
| 18:06.23 | wols_ | a webhoster who needs a panel imho doesn't have the knowledge to run such a business |
| 18:06.30 | solar_ant | wols_: my client wants to be able to this without seeing any shell :) |
| 18:06.41 | cilkay | solar_ant: do what? |
| 18:06.49 | wols_ | solar_ant: hack together a little php page yourself then |
| 18:06.53 | wols_ | if your needs are so simple |
| 18:06.54 | dos000 | wols_, the problem is that most of the stuf you do is repetitive |
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| 18:07.24 | wols_ | dos000: repatedly clickng the same webpages to add a domain isn't repeotitive either? |
| 18:07.26 | solar_ant | cilkay: give every host a default customised drupal installation (a script which does a cp job and mysql) |
| 18:07.26 | dos000 | wols_, specially if you creating sites over and over for customers |
| 18:07.29 | nvz | dos000: the php maintainers would probably tell you that you need to upgrade your damn programs :P |
| 18:07.40 | wols_ | dos000: in that case you write a script. kinda like adduser |
| 18:07.45 | wols_ | not a webpage. it's faster that way |
| 18:07.46 | solar_ant | wols_: yeah i will do that (just didnt want to reinvent the wheel) |
| 18:07.51 | dos000 | nvz, i will just make sure i have separate vservers :) |
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| 18:08.05 | wols_ | solar_ant: you could always try one of the free ones |
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| 18:08.13 | wols_ | they don#t do much I think but that they might manage |
| 18:08.15 | nvz | dos000: I still don't grok why you couldnt make a hack to install both.. I am thinking it in fact works, just isnt packaged to because in debian's pre-packaged system they are both designed to set themselves up the same way |
| 18:08.20 | dos000 | wols_, i have been doing that and my bash script are starting to get huge |
| 18:08.28 | spheard | how do I conpile using smp |
| 18:08.39 | wols_ | dos000: use a real language then? |
| 18:08.50 | \amethyst | spheard: this is something with a makefile? |
| 18:08.58 | wols_ | bash is only needed when you can't use anything else: e.g init scripts,etc |
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| 18:09.09 | wols_ | spheard: man make |
| 18:09.15 | grandy | hello, using xen and seeing the following message in dmseg telling me that I need a xen compatible libtls... what do I do to fix it? I have followed the instructions and it still shows up... |
| 18:09.21 | wols_ | spheard: or distcc/ccache |
| 18:09.28 | solar_ant | yeah wols_ will check those ones which dos000 said |
| 18:09.30 | dos000 | wols_, it is getting so complicated i looked at even generating the debs for this stuff |
| 18:09.33 | ricjames | wols_: I have to disconnect this computer to check that, but yesterday before i switched to linux, i was using the network card and it was working fine, the cable provider is picking up my mac addr when i plug the cable into the computer, and I am currently using the exact cable on a different computer, it is definatly transmitting. |
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| 18:09.52 | \amethyst | grandy: do you have libc6-xen ? |
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| 18:10.00 | grandy | \amethyst: yep |
| 18:10.25 | groton | if you would have to add the execution of the "route" command at the start to initialize the local routing table, in which file would you put those commands? |
| 18:10.43 | wols_ | groton: I don't think so |
| 18:10.48 | wols_ | it wouldn't show if you had |
| 18:10.48 | ricjames | I had win XP on the computer that i switched to linux yesterday and used the same cable and network card to download linux. |
| 18:10.55 | wols_ | grandy: |
| 18:10.58 | wols_ | groton: srry |
| 18:11.03 | \amethyst | groton: on a particular interface? |
| 18:11.19 | wols_ | groton: in a init script directly before init of the network |
| 18:11.25 | groton | \amethyst, it is to use the local LAN when connected to PPP. It is for eth0 |
| 18:11.28 | wols_ | groton: but would would you need that anyways? |
| 18:11.32 | gpm | out of curiosity, why aren't ops ops all the time? |
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| 18:11.44 | wols_ | gpm: read freenode channel guidelines |
| 18:11.49 | gpm | meh |
| 18:11.49 | spheard | amethyst, wols_: When I build It only uses one processor. There is nothing in man make that explains how to use both procesors for the compile job |
| 18:11.49 | gpm | ok |
| 18:11.51 | helo | gpm: prevents hijacking sometimes |
| 18:11.53 | gpm | not that curious |
| 18:11.59 | \amethyst | groton: you could create an if-up.d script |
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| 18:12.11 | gpm | helo: that's what i figured |
| 18:12.17 | wols_ | spheard: there is. and: no matter what you do, a single instace of gcc can only run one thread |
| 18:12.23 | gpm | though i'm not evil-minded enough to imagine how they'd do it |
| 18:12.27 | groton | \amethyst, now it is so, but i really need to set the routes also when not connected to ppp |
| 18:12.30 | wols_ | si tge answer is to run 2 gcc copies at the same time |
| 18:12.50 | \amethyst | groton: eth0 is always on? |
| 18:12.56 | groton | \amethyst, yes |
| 18:13.02 | \amethyst | groton: so bring the routes up with eth0 |
| 18:13.07 | gpm | jo o |
| 18:13.08 | wols_ | groton: what routes? you can set anything you want in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:13.16 | gpm | whoop |
| 18:13.20 | groton | \amethyst, how to exexute something when eth0 comes up? :) |
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| 18:13.28 | groton | Wols: routes to the local lan |
| 18:13.30 | wols_ | groton: man interfaces. |
| 18:13.33 | rudenstam | if I got both aes and aes-i586 modules.. modinfo of aes-i586 sais that it has the alias of 'aes'... if I have 'aes' in lsmod, which one is it using ? |
| 18:13.35 | groton | wols_: ok |
| 18:13.37 | gpm | !tab |
| 18:13.37 | dpkg | it has been said that tab is part of the varndean crew, slightly slimy at times though, or a very old diet soda. tabtabtab, or what reasonably intelligent irc clients will let you use to recall the nick that most recently posted something in a channel. |
| 18:13.41 | wols_ | groton: you haven't set your interfaces right |
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| 18:13.45 | helo | if you really want to minimize your compile time, look into distcc |
| 18:14.01 | kath`` | Weirdness.... Aptitude started often writing chinese chars :\ |
| 18:14.05 | wols_ | groton: add a "network 192.168.1.0" or whatever for the eth0 stanza |
| 18:14.09 | kath`` | Any possible reasons for that? |
| 18:15.26 | wols_ | kath``: confused locale settings |
| 18:15.27 | groton | wols_: let me learn something about on the subject :) i do not know what you are suggesting to me yet |
| 18:15.27 | wols_ | kath``: env|grep LC |
| 18:15.27 | _Rubyxx | Do I have JVM installed by default with Etch, is it in one of the packages or do I have to download the proprietary version? |
| 18:15.27 | groton | s/know/understand |
| 18:15.27 | rcbarnes | I'm trying to use double-buffering with conkey, but apparently I don't have Xdbe in my apt version of Xorg. Is there a way to add it without the astounding pain of building my X by hand? |
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| 18:15.28 | rcbarnes | s/conkey/conky/g |
| 18:15.28 | \amethyst | groton: could you put your /etc/network/interfaces in a pastebin or something? |
| 18:15.28 | groton | \amethyst, sure |
| 18:15.29 | wols_ | groton: it's a setting which will set a route for that network interface automatically: whenever a packet to 192.168.1.0/24 is sent, it uses that interface |
| 18:15.31 | kath`` | wols_, I only have LANG=en_US.UTF-8 in environment... I'm must fill in LC_ vars too? |
| 18:15.31 | \amethyst | groton: and explain what's not correct about the routes when it comes up |
| 18:15.45 | wols_ | kath``: not really |
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| 18:15.59 | mirabilos | kath`: type 'locale' to see which are in effect |
| 18:16.15 | mirabilos | and rtfm setlocale(3) to see what overrides what |
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| 18:16.41 | jelly | Hi, I need help making uswsusp work with a custom kernel... does anyone know what kernel options are needed for initramfs to work (apart from the obvious CONFIG_BLK_DEV_INITRD)? |
| 18:17.13 | kath`` | Everything but LC_ALL is en_US.UTF-8.... And it's not every time, but about 1 to 5 chance that aptitude will start emitting garbage to console, no other progs have been doing that |
| 18:17.47 | yure | hi, i installed apache2, but I am missing init.d script?? Using testing. |
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| 18:18.06 | \amethyst | !paste |
| 18:18.06 | dpkg | [paste] Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC or if those are not working, ask me about <pastebin> for other options |
| 18:18.43 | Kobaz | heh, pastebin.com has been broken for a couple of years |
| 18:18.43 | kath`` | Has pastebin.com been working in the last two years or so? |
| 18:18.55 | groton | wols_, \amethyst : http://rafb.net/p/nzWGLh27.html |
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| 18:19.00 | mirabilos | http://nopaste.snit.ch:8001/ works well and looks good in lynx, in contrast to rafb |
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| 18:20.55 | \amethyst | groton: so you want gateway 192.168.10.1 |
| 18:20.56 | groton | \amethyst, exactly |
| 18:20.56 | groton | \amethyst, but well, not as the default gateway, since that will clash with ppp0 |
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| 18:21.01 | groton | \amethyst, the default gateway is set with setdefaultroute option of pppd |
| 18:21.44 | abrotman | mirabilos: and do posts expire ? |
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| 18:21.53 | \amethyst | groton: err, is this machine not actually on 192.168.10.0? |
| 18:21.55 | mirabilos | yes, after a couple of weeks |
| 18:22.08 | abrotman | too long .. thanks for playing |
| 18:22.10 | mirabilos | ? |
| 18:22.11 | groton | \amethyst, yes, my nick has 192.168.10.2 |
| 18:22.14 | xarquid | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:22.16 | groton | s/nick/nic |
| 18:22.26 | \amethyst | groton: Why does it need a gateway to talk to the rest of 192.168.10.0 then? |
| 18:22.57 | jelly | does adding --initrd to "make-kpkg ... kernel_image" do anything if the kernel was already built without it? |
| 18:23.08 | groton | \amethyst, because otherwise all the packets are sent to the default gateway, which is the peer computer of the ppp connection usually |
| 18:23.12 | yure | is there any reason why apache wouldn't create anything in init.d?! |
| 18:23.27 | groton | \amethyst, in this way the local lan and the Internet is accessible, it works indeed |
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| 18:23.48 | \amethyst | groton: what does the routing table look like before you do that? |
| 18:24.02 | groton | \amethyst, it containt the content of the two route command i shown |
| 18:24.38 | \amethyst | groton: I mean, before you run those two commands, what does "route" say? |
| 18:24.38 | ricjames | wols_:is it possible that I have a driver issue? |
| 18:24.52 | \amethyst | it should have 192.168.10.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 18:25.04 | groton | \amethyst, when i am connected to ppp, "route -n" says me : http://rafb.net/p/KCcPuV37.html |
| 18:25.06 | eldowan | this factoid needs to be changed: why is icedove2 not in testing |
| 18:25.14 | eldowan | the url shouldn't have 2 at the end of it. |
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| 18:25.22 | groton | \amethyst, the route is empty before those two command, iirc |
| 18:25.26 | wols_ | ricjames: what network card is it? |
| 18:25.34 | wols_ | ricjames: and what does your dmesg say? |
| 18:25.38 | ironfroggy | anyone know of any current issues with the ftp servers at csua.berkeley.edu? |
| 18:25.52 | \amethyst | groton: hmm... it shouldn't be empty |
| 18:25.54 | ricjames | cnet PRO200 |
| 18:25.56 | ironfroggy | im getting connection problems trying to deploy to a debian box and its not my home turf. |
| 18:26.51 | \amethyst | groton: I guess you can't really find out without disconnecting |
| 18:26.51 | groton | \amethyst, ah, it was empty because i havent ifup'ed the eth0 yet |
| 18:26.51 | ricjames | dmesg? is that a command? |
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| 18:26.51 | \amethyst | groton: if you undo those two routes you did |
| 18:26.52 | \amethyst | groton: then ifdown eth0 ; ifup eth0 |
| 18:26.52 | groton | \amethyst, ok |
| 18:26.52 | \amethyst | groton: what does the routing table look like then? |
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| 18:26.53 | abrotman | ironfroggy: you should use http sources where you can |
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| 18:27.09 | ironfroggy | abrotman: its not my box. like i said im not even a debian guy. |
| 18:27.28 | wols_ | groton: netwokr 192..... alone worked always fine for me. and I had a PPPoE connection to the internet too |
| 18:27.34 | groton | \amethyst, i down&up'ed the eth0, and now there is this entry: 192.168.10.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 18:27.43 | \amethyst | can you ping 192.168.10.1 ? |
| 18:27.48 | groton | wols_, yes, i should try that |
| 18:27.50 | abrotman | ironfroggy: okay .. fine .. you sohuld still use http sources .. ftp sources can be a pain |
| 18:27.58 | abrotman | s/you/they/ |
| 18:27.59 | ironfroggy | abrotman: are the http servers at the same place? such that i can just replace "ftp" with "http" |
| 18:28.06 | abrotman | ironfroggy: check the mirror list |
| 18:28.07 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 18:28.08 | dpkg | [debian mirrors] use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 18:28.11 | ricjames | wols_: dmesg is very long, what are you looking for specifically? |
| 18:28.13 | groton | \amethyst, no, with this last route table i cant |
| 18:28.34 | wols_ | groton: http://paste.debian.net/28686 |
| 18:28.46 | Mustang_Matt | Whoever posted that sarge to etch guide, thank you! It was perfectly written and the upgrade went mostly flawlessly. |
| 18:28.51 | abrotman | ironfroggy: it appears so .. so a simple replacement of ftp:// with http:// may resolve it .. or perhaps the imrror is actually down |
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| 18:28.54 | wols_ | groton: that entry is your route. |
| 18:29.09 | groton | \amethyst, it seems i need also this entry in the route table: 192.168.10.0 192.168.10.1 255.255.255.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 (to reach 10.1 i mean) |
| 18:29.11 | wols_ | ricjames: messages from ethX |
| 18:29.14 | abrotman | ironfroggy: FWIW .. i got denied when i tried ftp:// but http:// went right through |
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| 18:29.35 | wols_ | groton: no |
| 18:29.43 | \amethyst | groton: So it sounds like you really do need to go through a gateway to talk to eth0... that's strange |
| 18:30.01 | \amethyst | wols_: it brings up the route you would expect but he can't ping the network then |
| 18:30.02 | wols_ | \amethyst: he don't. I had a setup like his for several years |
| 18:30.16 | groton | \amethyst, that should be since i have a defaultroute set by pppd upon connection |
| 18:30.23 | nathanv | Hello... I have a quick question... mplayer.. as it stands now, what are the licencing issues if it redistributed? |
| 18:30.27 | wols_ | groton: doesn't matter |
| 18:30.47 | wols_ | nathanv: various patents |
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| 18:30.48 | \amethyst | groton: 192.168.10.0 stuff should still go over the eth0 |
| 18:30.54 | groton | wols_, i do not have the 'network' entry in the interfaces file though |
| 18:31.10 | abrotman | nathanv: ask #mplayer |
| 18:31.11 | \amethyst | groton: 192.168.10.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 18:31.13 | ricjames | no mention of ethx, eth0:no IPv6 routers present. (maybe because my ethernet is plugged into this pc right now. |
| 18:31.13 | wols_ | groton: but you pasted it. and after a netwokring restart it magically shows. ... |
| 18:31.14 | nathanv | excellent idea |
| 18:31.16 | nathanv | thanks |
| 18:31.16 | groton | \amethyst, it does not, it seems to me at least, a complete newbie of networks :) |
| 18:31.22 | wols_ | groton: it doesn't show by magic... |
| 18:31.25 | gpm | lol |
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| 18:31.47 | \amethyst | wols_: is there anything you can see wrong with the route I pasted? |
| 18:31.51 | wols_ | ricjames: unplug it and plug it back in. that should generate a eth0 message |
| 18:31.59 | wols_ | Amorphous: nothing. that's it |
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| 18:32.21 | groton | wols_, let me try with the "network" keyword in eth0 configuration file... |
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| 18:32.32 | ricjames | I have to disconnect this pc and connect the other. Ill be back shortly. |
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| 18:32.38 | wols_ | all packets originating from 192.168.10.0/24 to any dest will go over eth0. that's all |
| 18:32.39 | eldowan | abrotman: what is the correct method of changing a dpkg factoid? |
| 18:32.49 | wols_ | ohoho. it'S set as a gateway. that is wrong |
| 18:32.54 | \amethyst | groton: err, you did have network set in the interfaces you pasted earlier |
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| 18:33.02 | groton | \amethyst, really? |
| 18:33.06 | Amorphous | *sigh* |
| 18:33.09 | wols_ | groton: set the network like I told you, then restart the LAN interface |
| 18:33.19 | \amethyst | wols_: He did, it didn't work |
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| 18:33.29 | Mustang_Matt | Is there a way I can see any packages on my system that were installed from dotdeb or backports. |
| 18:33.43 | formorer | Mustang_Matt: backport have bpo in its versions |
| 18:33.49 | groton | \amethyst, yes, i have it, strange i never noticed it, since i am dealing with these file since 30 minutes or so :)( |
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| 18:33.57 | Mustang_Matt | formorer: Thanks! |
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| 18:34.04 | wols_ | groton: what kernel version? |
| 18:34.06 | groton | wols_, ok, let me try |
| 18:34.08 | groton | wols_, 2.6.20 |
| 18:34.21 | \amethyst | groton: what is 192.168.10.1 exactly, anyway? |
| 18:34.29 | groton | wols_, on gentoo, OPS! i am kidding, it is Debian of course |
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| 18:34.42 | groton | \amethyst, a linksys router, wrt54gl |
| 18:34.46 | wols_ | groton: etch at least? |
| 18:34.52 | groton | wols_, unstable distro |
| 18:35.20 | wols_ | groton: can you explain your setup more clearly. begin from the internet side and end at the LAN client side |
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| 18:35.39 | wols_ | which device is connected to what and has what IP if any |
| 18:35.45 | yoshio | ricjames: you need "auto eth0" on one line, "iface eth0 inet dhcp" on another line, don't know about the allow-hotplug thing, never seen a line like that |
| 18:35.59 | helo | does debian-live allow install to hard disk or not? the main project page says "No specialised live system to HDD installer (yet)"... a little ambiguous about whether there is any hd installer at all... |
| 18:36.08 | yoshio | ricjames: what I would do in windows: type "ipconfig /all", write down your dns server IP numbers. boot into linux. when you see it trying to get the DHCP address, type Control-C to allow you to get past that, login. make sure /etc/network/interfaces has the two lines I mentioned for eth0. type "ifconfig eth0 up", it should try and get the DHCP address. If it doesn't get one after a few minutes, it will time out, or you can control-c out. |
| 18:36.12 | jelly | Mustang_Matt: also take a look at apt-show-versions |
| 18:36.26 | groton | wols_, i do not get what is the difference between my interfaces file and yours. To me it is exactly the same, I just have the broadcast more than you |
| 18:36.36 | wols_ | yoshio: it's a new invention. sorta replacement for auto |
| 18:36.54 | \amethyst | groton: I think the linksys router is doing something funny.... what's on the WAN side of the router anyway? |
| 18:36.59 | wols_ | groton: which is why I don't think anything is wrong with yours |
| 18:37.06 | wols_ | groton: which I want more info |
| 18:37.12 | en1gma | sup all? i got a question about kernels....i have an amd64 x2 and am using the amd64 kerenl (but java is broken with it or i just cant get it to work in iceweasel) anyhow if i choose to install debian i386 and want to get the best kernel for my system that isnt amd64 what would i choose |
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| 18:37.26 | abrotman | eldowan: such as ? |
| 18:37.26 | wols_ | groton: please tell me about your network setup |
| 18:37.34 | \amethyst | en1gma: yes, you can run a 64-bit kernel with a 32-bit debian |
| 18:37.35 | Mustang_Matt | jelly: Perfect. |
| 18:37.38 | wols_ | \amethyst: my guess his network setup is the problem somewhoe |
| 18:37.44 | groton | wols_, I am using an umts(hsdpa) modem to connect to internet. My computer NIC is connected to the local LAN to a simple router. What i achieved with the 2 routes command is to reach both the LAN and the Internet (trhu ppp0) |
| 18:37.51 | \amethyst | en1gma: you can even install (some) 64-bit libraries and run 64-bit programs then |
| 18:37.54 | groton | \amethyst, nothing on the wan of the router |
| 18:38.04 | en1gma | \amethyst i could yes....but then the nvidia drivers will not install |
| 18:38.08 | wols_ | groton: you cannot reach both inent and lan through the same interface |
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| 18:38.22 | kr4k3n | hi there! |
| 18:38.24 | \amethyst | wols_: he's not.... |
| 18:38.30 | groton | wols_, yes, i know, i am using indeed 2 interfaces, ppp0 and eth0 |
| 18:38.32 | wols_ | groton: which ports on your wrt54g are used. I want WAN and LAN ports of it |
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| 18:38.35 | en1gma | so as i say again what would be the best kernel to install for an amd64 that isnt 64bit |
| 18:38.48 | wols_ | en1gma: -k7 |
| 18:38.55 | en1gma | wols_ thanks |
| 18:39.08 | groton | wols_, i am connected to port 1 of the router, via eth0 |
| 18:39.09 | \amethyst | groton: it sounds like the linksys isn't forwarding packets for 192.168.10.0 |
| 18:39.27 | wols_ | groton: port1 is a switch port. one of the four? |
| 18:39.28 | groton | \amethyst, yes, it does, i could read the other computer connected to the router by it |
| 18:39.28 | \amethyst | or rather, it's not bridging it |
| 18:39.34 | groton | wols_, one of the four, yeah |
| 18:39.50 | wols_ | groton: and the other clients is in port2-port4? |
| 18:39.51 | groton | s/read/reach |
| 18:40.05 | \amethyst | wols_: does that linksys bridge by default? |
| 18:40.07 | jelly | wols_: hm, there's also a linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
| 18:40.12 | groton | wols_, yes, port 2 |
| 18:40.19 | wols_ | anabain: the switch side is a siwtch is a switch |
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| 18:40.37 | wols_ | groton: and port2 can always ping your linx box? and your linux box does NAT? |
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| 18:41.22 | wols_ | jelly: sure but that is a 64bit kernel. he asked for 32bit |
| 18:41.25 | groton | wols_, ehm, the question is not clear to me.... my other computer is switched off now, should i start it? |
| 18:41.34 | \amethyst | groton: do the port2 etc computers have the linksys marked as their gateway? |
| 18:41.49 | wols_ | groton: just checking if only one computer has probkems with the other or both |
| 18:41.49 | groton | \amethyst, definitely yes |
| 18:41.59 | wols_ | groton: how are you testing if it really works when it's off? |
| 18:42.11 | groton | i tryed yesterday night, when i set up all this stuff |
| 18:42.27 | jelly | wols_: he didn't exactly specify whether " isnt 64bit" referred to the kernel or to the installation :-) |
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| 18:43.03 | groton | wols_, the basic fact is that i had to not specify a gateway in the eth0 network interface, otherwise the pppd do not set the default route to its peer, and the wholte Internet would not be accessible |
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| 18:43.14 | helo | i'm finding the online docs for the debian live project to be almost nonexistant (besides a faq)... anyone know where i can find basic things like what commands do what, how they are intended to be used together, etc? |
| 18:43.21 | wols_ | groton: yes. but setting a 2network" is fine |
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| 18:43.30 | abrotman | helo: try #debian-live on irc.oftc.net |
| 18:43.36 | helo | thanks |
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| 18:43.57 | wols_ | groton: please do a networking restart if you can and then show me both the current /etc/network/interfaces _and_ the output of /sbin/route |
| 18:43.57 | groton | wols_, and after having removed the default route, i have NOT been able to connect to the lan anymore. So i played a bit with a HOST route to the LAN gateway, and then i set up a route for 192.168.10.0 addresses to go to that host |
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| 18:44.13 | \amethyst | groton: You shouldn't need the gateway set to talk to the LAN |
| 18:44.23 | wols_ | \amethyst: he doesn't |
| 18:44.26 | \amethyst | groton: the fact that you do implies something is misconfigured about the LAN |
| 18:44.33 | wols_ | all he needs is a route for 192.168.10.0/24 |
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| 18:44.41 | \amethyst | wols_: he had that route earlier |
| 18:44.53 | \amethyst | wols_: after removing his custom ones and ifdown/ifup |
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| 18:44.57 | \amethyst | wols_: he pasted it in channel |
| 18:45.01 | wols_ | \amethyst: the problem is he gave us conflicting info that can't be all true |
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| 18:45.11 | groton | ok, i will restart my networking with init.d i suppose, right? |
| 18:45.18 | wols_ | so I want a _current_config and its effect at one point in time |
| 18:45.23 | wols_ | yes |
| 18:45.24 | groton | wols_, ? i am not a liar :P |
| 18:45.32 | wols_ | groton: nevertheless you lied |
| 18:45.40 | \amethyst | wols_: when? |
| 18:45.40 | wols_ | an inadvertent lie is still a lie |
| 18:45.42 | groton | wols_, if i did, unvolutarily :) |
| 18:45.47 | abrotman | telling lies lies lies lies lies .. lies lies ... |
| 18:45.48 | wols_ | and our lie detector was broken |
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| 18:45.55 | groton | see you |
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| 18:46.16 | wols_ | he showed us a default route to 192.168.10.x when he had no gateway but network only, ec |
| 18:46.23 | abrotman | doh! |
| 18:46.40 | wols_ | and unless we clearly know how it looks at his end right now, we cannot help him |
| 18:46.50 | groton | hmm, i run: /etc/init.d/networking restart but nothing bad happened, the interfaces are still all up :) |
| 18:46.51 | jelly | yikes. knetworkconf replaced tabs with spaces in /etc/hosts, messing up my careful resolver workarounds |
| 18:46.52 | \amethyst | wols_: A default route to 192.168.100.1? when? |
| 18:47.05 | wols_ | 192.168.10.x |
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| 18:49.00 | wols_ | Amorphous: the routing entry he showed us hasd a "UG" |
| 18:49.00 | groton | wols_, yes, when i showed a default route to 192.168.10.0? i think i have not |
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| 18:49.00 | wols_ | abrotman: dunno what x stood for |
| 18:49.00 | scruffy | spamd is doing something funky, http://paste.debian.net/28688. Google says something about a patch I could apply, and debian hasn't released an updated spamassassin for stable yet. Any idea what I can do to maybe remedy those errors? |
| 18:49.01 | Saar | hello, I was wondering how to configure subversion to send out an email whenever source has been checked in |
| 18:49.01 | \amethyst | wols_: aha, I see that in the config now |
| 18:49.01 | \amethyst | wols_: err, in the route output |
| 18:49.02 | Saar | i asked on #svn already :) |
| 18:49.02 | wols_ | 20:28 < groton> \amethyst, it seems i need also this entry in the route table: 192.168.10.0 192.168.10.1 255.255.255.0 UG 0 |
| 18:49.02 | Saar | no response |
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| 18:49.02 | wols_ | groton: and this is totally wrong :) |
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| 18:49.02 | \amethyst | wols_: that was from before wiping the routing table and staring over, though |
| 18:49.02 | \amethyst | wols_: yeah, I hadn't noticed the G |
| 18:49.02 | wols_ | Amorphous: still, it's so wrong it defies belief :) |
| 18:49.03 | wols_ | \amethyst: and since i dunno when what entry was active clearly: I want a baseline :) |
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| 18:49.21 | wols_ | Amorphous: harder! |
| 18:49.36 | Amorphous | better ? |
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| 18:49.51 | wols_ | no. I'm more of a Unix masochist than a hardware masochist :( |
| 18:50.00 | Amorphous | lol |
| 18:50.11 | \amethyst | groton: could you remove the routing entries, ifdown and ifup the network again, and pastebin the output of route |
| 18:50.16 | groton | wols_, i am back |
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| 18:50.21 | groton | \amethyst, ok |
| 18:50.26 | wols_ | groton: I'm waiting for my paste :) |
| 18:50.31 | \amethyst | that will be the baseline |
| 18:50.35 | groton | wols_, mine you meant |
| 18:50.57 | wols_ | groton: it will be MINE, ALL MINE, don't worry about this |
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| 18:51.05 | groton | hehehehe |
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| 18:53.02 | groton | wols_, \amethyst :noone has never called me lier: http://rafb.net/p/3xkcNB54.html |
| 18:53.10 | gpm | liar |
| 18:53.14 | \amethyst | groton: it looks like your ppp setup might be the problem |
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| 18:53.37 | wols_ | groton: #debian: where people say things, no ether dares to |
| 18:54.03 | groton | \amethyst, with this setup i cannot reach the lan. If i instead run my two wonderfull "route add" commands all will works properly and the LAN reachable |
| 18:54.18 | \amethyst | groton: with this setup can you reach the other end of the PPP? |
| 18:54.25 | wols_ | groton: where does this 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 route come from? |
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| 18:54.36 | wols_ | that's amazingly ugly and heinous |
| 18:54.53 | groton | \amethyst, sure, but let me try it now |
| 18:54.53 | \amethyst | groton: because that last route looks like it should have a gateway |
| 18:54.54 | wols_ | Amorphous: considering pretty much everything will go via ppp... |
| 18:55.04 | wols_ | Amorphous: IIRC the first one is the gateway |
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| 18:55.10 | wols_ | 2nd one is just wrong |
| 18:55.22 | wols_ | Amorphous: sorry. you have 2 hits :) |
| 18:56.06 | obtix | if i want to use multiple .cshrc files for different envirments under the same users (ie: .cshrc for std use and .cshrc2 for a test path enviroment) what is the csh --?? command to type for that send cshrc file? thx. |
| 18:56.07 | \amethyst | wols_: second one should have 10.64.64.64 as the gateway |
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| 18:56.22 | wols_ | 2nd one should not exist, period |
| 18:56.30 | groton | \amethyst, i cant! |
| 18:56.32 | wols_ | the 0.0.0.0 one |
| 18:56.42 | \amethyst | wols_: err.. if internet is over PPP, shouldn't the defaultroute go there? |
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| 18:57.00 | wols_ | Amorphous: yes it should. but it would look like route #1 |
| 18:57.07 | groton | \amethyst, yes, the default route must go on the ppp0 interfaces, |
| 18:57.15 | \amethyst | wols_: what do you mean? |
| 18:57.17 | wols_ | that "UH" thing is IIRC the "special" gateway set by pppd |
| 18:57.31 | WonderWal | hi there. how can i set max number of open files? anything else besides sysctl fs.file-max? |
| 18:57.36 | wols_ | there a32 2 ppp0 routes in that route output. there should be one and only one |
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| 18:57.45 | wols_ | and it should look like the first one |
| 18:57.45 | subes | hi |
| 18:57.58 | \amethyst | wols_: err, so you don't have a default route? |
| 18:58.00 | subes | i know of debian, that it has experimental, testing and unstable |
| 18:58.09 | groton | wols_, why only one? |
| 18:58.12 | subes | which one is of these is the most safest? |
| 18:58.18 | subes | or what are the differences? |
| 18:58.27 | wols_ | \amethyst: I do. the FIRST route 0.64.64.64 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 ppp0 is the default route |
| 18:58.37 | peterrus | hello |
| 18:58.39 | wols_ | the 2nd one 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0.... is a total BS |
| 18:58.44 | \amethyst | wols_: if the destination isn't 0.0.0.0 isn't not the default |
| 18:58.53 | wols_ | Amorphous: ppp0 |
| 18:58.57 | \amethyst | wols_: ah, wait |
| 18:59.02 | groton | wols_, http://tldp.org/HOWTO/PPP-HOWTO/manual.html |
| 18:59.04 | \amethyst | wols_: 0.64.64.64 ? |
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| 18:59.07 | obtix | anyone? |
| 18:59.08 | Nosf3ratu | bueller? |
| 18:59.15 | wols_ | \amethyst: missing 1 |
| 18:59.18 | peterrus | is there something that can give my kde apps the same look as my gtk+ apps in gnome? there is somethign vice versa, called qt-gtk-engine or something like that |
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| 18:59.33 | groton | wols_, i do not think it is BS, i read that the route should be there on the link above... |
| 18:59.42 | test_ | anyone backported xfce yet? |
| 18:59.55 | \amethyst | wols_: I think the second one should be default 10.64.64.64 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 ppp0 |
| 18:59.59 | subes | @ peterrus there is a gnome icon theme, then you can choose a qt theme that is like the gtk one and adjust the colors |
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| 19:00.39 | groton | \amethyst, well, the 10.64.64.64 is useless, since ppp0 is connected ONLY to that ip. and 0.0.0.0 means default |
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| 19:00.42 | peterrus | subes, yeah, but if I change my gnome look, will my qt looks change with it? |
| 19:00.45 | wols_ | groton: still. you don't ned a defaultroute like that. how do you start pppd? with "demand" int he config? |
| 19:00.48 | peterrus | because vice versa it does |
| 19:00.54 | gpm | no |
| 19:01.14 | gpm | there's nothing like that right now |
| 19:01.15 | \amethyst | groton: I'm saying the PPP defaultroute should have the PPP endpoint as its gateway, and it doesn't |
| 19:01.15 | groton | wols_, pppd call h3g or pon h3g are the ways to bring ppp0 up and running |
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| 19:01.22 | en1gma | sup all |
| 19:01.29 | gpm | the only reason there's the qt-gtk thing is because of mozilla |
| 19:01.30 | gpm | and gaim |
| 19:01.40 | gpm | and other apps kde users can't do without |
| 19:01.54 | gpm | there aren't as many obvious qt applications gnome users can't do without |
| 19:02.00 | groton | \amethyst, and i think it is not need to specify the ip address of the endpoint, since the connection is point topoint, you cannot reach another ip other than the one of your peer :) |
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| 19:03.14 | \amethyst | groton: anyway, to do what you asked about |
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| 19:04.15 | groton | \amethyst, oh, finally, i waited patiently up to get the *that* answer to my question :) lol |
| 19:04.16 | rudenstam | if I got both aes and aes-i586 modules.. modinfo of aes-i586 sais that it has the alias of 'aes'... if I have 'aes' in lsmod, which one is it using ? |
| 19:04.16 | groton | s/up to/up to know |
| 19:04.16 | groton | argh, /s/know/now |
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| 19:04.16 | wols_ | groton: if you had read the interfaces manpage you'd know by now. all without us bumbling fools :) |
| 19:04.17 | gpm | it's too confusing now |
| 19:04.22 | groton | wols_, lol |
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| 19:04.30 | gpm | it's not funny |
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| 19:04.47 | wols_ | groton: you can run scripts from /etc/network/interfaces. before and after interfaces are borught up |
| 19:04.57 | groton | wols_, i will come up tomorrow evening again, and i am expecitng you saying me how to set up properly my netwrok interfaces, ok? |
| 19:04.59 | obtix | if i want to use multiple .cshrc files for different envirments under the same users (ie: .cshrc for std use and .cshrc2 for a test path enviroment) what is the csh --?? command to type for that send cshrc file? thx. |
| 19:05.05 | wols_ | bt still: solving the problem like that will work, but it's just totally fugly |
| 19:05.08 | \amethyst | groton: make a file in /etc/network/if-up.d/ with if [ "$IFACE" = "eth0" ]; then \n # the two route commands lines you pasted \n fi |
| 19:05.09 | groton | wols_, ok, yeah, i am reading it, thanks a lot |
| 19:05.25 | wols_ | groton: I can't promise you an ansewr :) |
| 19:05.30 | groton | \amethyst, great! thanks a lot guys, also thanks to wols_ :) |
| 19:05.32 | WonderWal | hi there, how can i set maximum number of open files for root, including for the daemons he/it runs? |
| 19:05.47 | gpm | no way root is a she, huh? |
| 19:05.59 | \amethyst | groton: but it sounds like something's configured about the router |
| 19:06.03 | gpm | i guess his/its first name is charlie |
| 19:06.12 | \amethyst | groton: It should not be necessary to set a gateway to talk to a LAN |
| 19:06.12 | wols_ | gpm: the woman is always boss. just marry and you will see |
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| 19:06.23 | gpm | wols_: oh believe me, _i_ know |
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| 19:06.28 | \amethyst | groton: it sounds like the router is routing but not bridging between its ports |
| 19:06.31 | groton | \amethyst, sure it could be, the router is a openwrt tiny linux kernel running, not the default cisco fw at all |
| 19:06.47 | \amethyst | groton: if you had said that earlier it might have saved a lot of time :) |
| 19:06.51 | wols_ | groton: thing is I ran a DSL pppoe setup like yours for years. even had 2 networks (used linux as a switch) and it worked |
| 19:06.54 | groton | \amethyst, LOL |
| 19:06.56 | \amethyst | groton: sounds like *it's* misconfigured then |
| 19:07.15 | NoWayMan_NotMe | Can I search packages based on their tag? I'm looking for development libraries for X11 but I'd like to search by the devel:: tag. No GUI/TUI utilities please. |
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| 19:07.49 | groton | \amethyst, it has the default configuration, i havent touched it if not for setting a wpa key... |
| 19:07.52 | wols_ | NoWayMan_NotMe: apt-cache search <ewhatever> |grep dev |
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| 19:07.56 | wols_ | NoWayMan_NotMe: works fine for me |
| 19:08.10 | \amethyst | NoWayMan_NotMe: aptitude search and /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/ch02s03.html |
| 19:08.11 | abrotman | NoWayMan_NotMe: there is a way .. but i've found it confusing |
| 19:08.12 | groton | \amethyst, wols_ : still thanks and see you next time(maybe tomorrow evening) |
| 19:08.28 | NoWayMan_NotMe | wals_ that search by a pattern through package names/descriptions. I'd like to restricting to a certain tag type. |
| 19:08.32 | NoWayMan_NotMe | abrotman: Do tell. |
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| 19:08.52 | NoWayMan_NotMe | and yes, English is my first language. I am just retarded. |
| 19:08.54 | abrotman | NoWayMan_NotMe: man debtags .. get reading .. :) |
| 19:08.57 | zinx | !ops [e]zg[i]!n=__ALEMKI@85.108.171.159 <- FPV spammer |
| 19:08.57 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: zinx complains about: [e]zg[i]!n=__ALEMKI@85.108.171.159 <- FPV spammer |
| 19:08.58 | wols_ | NoWayMan_NotMe: I never can remember how to do that what abrotman will suggest. so I use my grep :) |
| 19:09.09 | \amethyst | NoWayMan_NotMe: aptitude search '~Gregexp' |
| 19:09.10 | abrotman | First Person View ? |
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| 19:09.18 | zinx | abrotman: free porno video |
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| 19:09.28 | wols_ | abrotman: don't tell me irc will become like second life! |
| 19:09.29 | NoWayMan_NotMe | wols_: Your grep is superflous still. "apt-cache search <whatever> dev" will do the same. |
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| 19:09.46 | abrotman | wols_: hehe |
| 19:09.58 | abrotman | zinx: i'm shocked you knew an abbreviation for that :) |
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| 19:10.18 | mentor | Always the same spammer... |
| 19:10.20 | wols_ | zinx: URL? :) |
| 19:10.21 | abrotman | NoWayMan_NotMe: what's the key you're using ? |
| 19:10.29 | zinx | abrotman: that spammer comes around all the f'n time, it's annoying to type it out every time |
| 19:10.44 | abrotman | NoWayMan_NotMe: x11::library ? |
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| 19:10.50 | wols_ | mentor: is he always changing IPs? |
| 19:10.52 | zinx | abrotman: and it's always the same message, some blue&magenta URL + "Free Porno Videos" |
| 19:10.57 | abrotman | zinx: i just do "!ops <blah> spam |
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| 19:11.17 | gpm | +" |
| 19:11.29 | en1gma | http://www.imagecoast.com/images/en1gma/linuxheaders2.jpg && http://www.imagecoast.com/images/en1gma/linuximage2.jpg what can i remove to just keep 2.6.21 |
| 19:11.42 | mentor | wols_: Yes, and it's a network level issue too |
| 19:11.42 | wols_ | ah, our turk friends again. why am I not surprised |
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| 19:12.08 | abrotman | wols_: because they make great porn ? |
| 19:12.34 | gpm | when will those tags be searchable by apt-cache/aptitude? |
| 19:12.35 | fat-lobyte | hi, *sometimes* when my pc boots up, it takes ages to start the MTA (exim4) |
| 19:12.39 | wols_ | abrotman: I prefer my pr0n starlets without mustaches. kthxbye |
| 19:12.50 | abrotman | NoWayMan_NotMe: anyways "debtags search x11::libraries" for example |
| 19:12.53 | fat-lobyte | but i have absolutely no idea what it's linked to |
| 19:13.03 | abrotman | wols_: stop watching canadian porn :) |
| 19:13.10 | gpm | fat-lobyte: what's your config? |
| 19:13.11 | en1gma | i just want 2.6.21-1-amd64 |
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| 19:13.13 | test_ | what packages do i need in order to compile xorg 2d drivers? |
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| 19:13.20 | gpm | en1gma: so remove the other kernels |
| 19:13.24 | wols_ | abrotman: eskimes don't have beards, do they? |
| 19:13.25 | madclicker | i am trying to dump a file system to a dat SCSI tapedrive. if i dump /var partition the speed is 1555KB/S, but if i dump the /home partition i bearly get half. Why would this be? |
| 19:13.26 | en1gma | when i try to uninstall some of the other kernels it tells me i cant |
| 19:13.30 | en1gma | or it marks it red |
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| 19:13.37 | gpm | why? |
| 19:13.38 | wols_ | !tell test_ about b-e |
| 19:13.42 | gpm | something else is depending on it |
| 19:13.43 | gpm | right? |
| 19:13.47 | en1gma | i dont know that is why i am asking you |
| 19:13.54 | en1gma | what can i unstall |
| 19:13.56 | wols_ | test_: and various x11 dev packages I guess |
| 19:13.58 | abrotman | wols_: i htink they do .. but i'm not an authority on the matter .. though another here might be |
| 19:13.58 | test_ | wols_, i have that :) |
| 19:14.09 | gpm | en1gma: which other kernels do you ahve? |
| 19:14.13 | wols_ | test_: what? |
| 19:14.15 | fat-lobyte | gpm: what kind of config? etch x86 2.6.18-4 |
| 19:14.19 | en1gma | did you even look at the screenshots i made |
| 19:14.21 | en1gma | omg |
| 19:14.22 | gpm | fat-lobyte: no, for exim |
| 19:14.26 | gpm | no i didn't |
| 19:14.31 | wols_ | en1gma: one almost can't make anything out |
| 19:14.45 | en1gma | did anyone even look at the pucs |
| 19:14.47 | en1gma | pics* |
| 19:14.51 | wols_ | en1gma: it's always good to have at least 2 kernels installed |
| 19:14.52 | abrotman | i didn't! |
| 19:14.53 | gpm | wols_: careful, he can't read so well |
| 19:14.58 | abrotman | wols_: do you like your tail ? |
| 19:15.03 | fat-lobyte | gpm: i didnt touch it at all from installation |
| 19:15.07 | en1gma | i just want the 2.6.21-1 |
| 19:15.09 | en1gma | that is all |
| 19:15.17 | ZooM | wich is the best use dselect or aptitude. may be it's the same ? |
| 19:15.18 | gpm | fat-lobyte: ok...maybe you should dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 19:15.22 | abrotman | aptitude |
| 19:15.34 | gpm | fat-lobyte: i'm not sure why exactly...you could alternatively check out the logs...maybe something's there |
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| 19:15.40 | gpm | but it couldn't hurt to config exim4 |
| 19:15.48 | wols_ | ZooM: aptitude |
| 19:15.55 | ZooM | is aptitude is an interface of apt-get ? |
| 19:16.00 | en1gma | this is debian related |
| 19:16.04 | wols_ | en1gma: so you isntall it. and when you see it runs you can uninstall the older stuff |
| 19:16.07 | gpm | fat-lobyte: if you're not running a mailserver, you can probably just tell it to do local delivery |
| 19:16.07 | abrotman | !why aptitude |
| 19:16.07 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info |
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| 19:16.11 | wols_ | ZooM: no |
| 19:16.16 | abrotman | hrm .. who changed that |
| 19:16.21 | en1gma | i am running the 2.6.21-1 kernel right now |
| 19:16.32 | gpm | the amd one you want? |
| 19:16.33 | abrotman | !aptitude |
| 19:16.33 | dpkg | aptitude is a modern frontend to libapt. For the most part, you can use it as a drop in replacement for apt-get. Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> and install aptitude-doc-en (or the aptitude-doc-* package appropriate for your locale), or see http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/wiki/Aptitude_-_using_together_with_Synaptic_and_Apt-get |
| 19:16.36 | en1gma | it wants to keep deps when i try to remove the other kernels |
| 19:16.37 | abrotman | oh wel |
| 19:16.42 | wols_ | en1gma: a bug won't always show immediately. a kernel isn't big and doesn't hurt to have around |
| 19:16.50 | en1gma | 2.6.21-1-amd64 is the only one i want if possible |
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| 19:17.02 | en1gma | wols_ i already know that |
| 19:17.13 | en1gma | im wanting to know what i need and what i dont need |
| 19:17.19 | wols_ | en1gma: and it'S the default kernel so unless you do something special this kernel will always be loaded |
| 19:17.19 | gpm | en1gma: ok...well you need to figure out what's depending on the other kernels...if you try aptitude remove [other kernel] it will tell you |
| 19:17.26 | ZooM | thanks wols abrotman and others |
| 19:17.55 | wols_ | en1gma: linux-headers are needed if you need to compile something. e.g. nvidia drivers, wifi drivers, etc |
| 19:17.58 | en1gma | well i know what it tells me...i figured you all have done it so many times you could tell me what the 2.6.21-1 needs |
| 19:18.11 | en1gma | it wants to keep something from 2.6.20 i think |
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| 19:18.14 | wols_ | en1gma: it needs what apt tells you it needs |
| 19:18.15 | en1gma | something build |
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| 19:18.18 | ZooM | using aptitude and dselect may cause pb ? |
| 19:18.31 | gpm | en1gma: you need to figure out what exact packages are claiming they need to keep the other kernels |
| 19:18.34 | wols_ | depending on additional drivers you created with m-a every kernel needs to do a little different things depending on the user |
| 19:18.37 | en1gma | ok 1 sec |
| 19:18.42 | Wisdom07 | hi |
| 19:18.45 | madclicker | hi, i am trying to dump a file system to a dat SCSI tapedrive. if i dump /var partition the speed is 1555KB/S, but if i dump the /home partition i barley get half that speed. Why would this be? |
| 19:18.55 | wols_ | ZooM: yes. keep with one. I'd suggest aptitude |
| 19:19.03 | eldowon | I'm using amarok 1.4.4-4 amarok-xine 1.4.4-4 libxine1 1.1.2 and I can't seek flac files in amarok. is this a known issue? |
| 19:19.08 | ZooM | ok wols_ |
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| 19:19.12 | wols_ | madclicker: compression or lack of it |
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| 19:19.21 | ZooM | !why aptitude |
| 19:19.21 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info |
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| 19:19.42 | Zweisteine | Hi. I want to remove some packages from my system but gnome-core depends on them. Is it ok if I remove gnome-core? Will Gnome apps - like evolution - still work? |
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| 19:19.46 | wols_ | madclicker: /var doesn't have many if any compresssed files. my ~ is basically full of them |
| 19:20.04 | madclicker | wols_, nada ,just "dump -0f /dev/nst0 /home" or "dump -0f /dev/nst0 /var" |
| 19:20.07 | ZooM | !why not aptitude |
| 19:20.08 | dpkg | aptitude has many bugs, such as #299009, which other APT frontends do not have. |
| 19:20.18 | wols_ | Zweisteine: gnome-core is a virtual package/meta package as you can see |
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| 19:20.51 | wols_ | ZooM: probably an old factoid. e.g. the recommended way to upgrade sarge to etch is via aptitude only |
| 19:20.53 | Zweisteine | Ok wols_, thank you |
| 19:21.11 | en1gma | if i try to remove "linux-image-2.6.18-4-amd64" it marks this red "linux-image-2.6-amd64" |
| 19:21.11 | gpm | !fact info why not aptitude |
| 19:21.31 | ZooM | wols_ ok |
| 19:21.31 | wols_ | Zweisteine: if debian wants to reomve something, it will always explicitly ask you |
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| 19:21.45 | gpm | !factinfo why not aptitude |
| 19:21.45 | dpkg | why not aptitude -- created by chealer <~chealer@205.205.243.134> at Mon Apr 9 09:42:17 2007 (44 days); it has been requested 27 times, last by ZooM, 1m 38s ago. |
| 19:21.49 | wols_ | en1gma: the 2.6 is a virtual package which has 2.6.18 as a dependency |
| 19:21.54 | gpm | not that old |
| 19:22.00 | ogamiitto | how can i see through the command line the N line number of a text file ? |
| 19:22.14 | en1gma | wols_ im not sure what that means to me |
| 19:22.23 | gpm | en1gma: ooooooooooh |
| 19:22.30 | en1gma | i want linux-image-2.6.21-1 |
| 19:22.33 | wols_ | it means the 2.6 file depends ont he 2.6.18 file |
| 19:22.33 | en1gma | i want linux-image-2.6.21-1-amd64 |
| 19:22.34 | HardDisk_WP | !lokigame? |
| 19:22.37 | HardDisk_WP | !lokigames? |
| 19:22.46 | wols_ | !tell HardDisk_WP about msg the bot |
| 19:22.50 | gpm | en1gma: duh, linux-image-2.6-amd64 tracks the 2.6 series for amd64 |
| 19:23.00 | gpm | en1gma: it just hasn't been updated to 2.6.21 packages yet |
| 19:23.03 | gpm | it's a meta-package |
| 19:23.07 | gpm | you can remove both if you like |
| 19:23.07 | HardDisk_WP | wols_, this *** thing doesnt answer me in QRY :X |
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| 19:23.24 | en1gma | when i tried to remove it gave me errors so i reinstalled it |
| 19:23.34 | wols_ | HardDisk_WP: since you are identified: I don't believe you |
| 19:23.36 | gpm | what kind of errors? |
| 19:23.44 | wols_ | !tell en1gma about errors |
| 19:23.47 | epsilon | Hi, I can't get in etch's gnome-terminal antialising used: http://raid1.net/main/no-antialising.png - what do I wrong? I have setup in gnome's font setting: "Font Rendering -> best shapes", "Smoothing -> Greyscale", "Hinting -> Full". Everything else is antialised, but not only in gnome-terminal, it's still in monochrome |
| 19:23.55 | HardDisk_WP | wols_, hmm...maybe it should output a message when a factoid not exist |
| 19:24.08 | en1gma | [09:22] <gpm> it's a meta-package |
| 19:24.08 | en1gma | [09:22] <gpm> you can remove both if you like |
| 19:24.17 | HardDisk_WP | nevertheless.. |
| 19:24.19 | en1gma | so no you cant unless you want the errors |
| 19:24.24 | wols_ | HardDisk_WP: !findkey and I think !help are invaluable |
| 19:24.28 | gpm | WHAT ERRORS YOU IDIOT? |
| 19:24.31 | HardDisk_WP | does anyone know the location of the Loki games installers? |
| 19:24.39 | wols_ | en1gma: which fucking errors? |
| 19:24.40 | stew | gpm: stop. lose the caps. no name calling |
| 19:24.40 | solemnwarning | Can anyone tell me whats wrong with this syslog-ng config line? |
| 19:24.40 | en1gma | you IDIOT you said there would be no errors |
| 19:24.42 | solemnwarning | destination ds_motoko { tcp("10.0.0.1" localport(515)); }; |
| 19:24.43 | en1gma | you IDIOT you said there would be no errors |
| 19:24.48 | stew | en1gma: stop that |
| 19:24.50 | gpm | no i didn't |
| 19:24.50 | test_ | anyone understand from these if i need xorg source to build this http://intellinuxgraphics.org/install.html |
| 19:24.57 | gpm | i said it should be fine |
| 19:24.58 | en1gma | they called me names first |
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| 19:25.20 | gpm | i know i did |
| 19:25.20 | gpm | but it's quite frustrating |
| 19:25.20 | gpm | you could be nicer |
| 19:25.22 | en1gma | its quite frustrating when you dont give me a sec to look it up |
| 19:25.34 | en1gma | the only way to repeat it is a big process |
| 19:25.35 | stew | en1gma: gpm: if you get so frustrated that you feel like you need to call someone names, you are beyond the point where you should have taken a break, or use /ignore |
| 19:25.37 | wols_ | ignore the niceties. I'd settle for a little brain usage by him |
| 19:25.40 | gpm | i believe i've said this before |
| 19:25.58 | en1gma | i did everything way in advance even made screens |
| 19:26.03 | misreckoning | enouf: well looks like debian lacks some software needed for limiting ;) |
| 19:26.10 | en1gma | did everything you have told me so far before you even told me |
| 19:26.15 | enouf | misreckoning: never .. |
| 19:26.24 | gpm | en1gma: look. i'm trying to help |
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| 19:26.29 | stew | misreckoning: what exactly are you trying to do? |
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| 19:26.50 | en1gma | i understand and i appreciate it |
| 19:26.50 | gpm | en1gma: and i don't appreciate being talked down to when i'm trying to help |
| 19:26.50 | misreckoning | I need a CBQ for bandwidth limiting, but I've searched on packages and I found nothing, do you have some alternatives perhaps? |
| 19:26.50 | wols_ | misreckoning: it's people like you that make lenny have 40 CDs! |
| 19:26.51 | gpm | so a little patience from your end will help me be patient |
| 19:26.51 | stew | gpm: please, drop it and move on |
| 19:26.53 | en1gma | wouldnt it be easier to just look at the screenshots i posted and tell me what i can and cant uninstall |
| 19:26.56 | gpm | stew: fine |
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| 19:27.02 | misreckoning | wols_: haha, good one ;) |
| 19:27.09 | stew | misreckoning: the iproute package has the tc command which can control cbq filters |
| 19:27.20 | wols_ | misreckoning: I think wondershaper uses CBQ or that other method the howto on lartc describes |
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| 19:27.32 | wols_ | so debian has facilities for it. just not anc "nice ones" |
| 19:27.34 | stew | misreckoning: the debian kernels have cbq enabled, but afaik in most cases you should switch to the htb filters instead of using cbq |
| 19:27.38 | wols_ | but then I haven't found any of those ever |
| 19:27.45 | h3sp4wn | wondershaper is not very good |
| 19:27.51 | wols_ | yes, htb, that's the one |
| 19:27.51 | stew | wondershaper comes with a cbq and a htb script |
| 19:27.58 | stew | (last i looked) |
| 19:28.01 | misreckoning | aha OK I will google a little about those "htb filters" |
| 19:28.05 | gpm | en1gma: i can't read those |
| 19:28.07 | gpm | it's too small |
| 19:28.08 | stew | and wondershaper is at least a good starting point for a scripts |
| 19:28.11 | gpm | :( |
| 19:28.13 | wols_ | h3sp4wn: maybe. but it works in debian so you can write your own script for your own suage if you desire |
| 19:28.13 | gpm | the text i mean |
| 19:28.33 | gpm | i'm looking at them, but i can't read them |
| 19:28.48 | wols_ | misreckoning: lartc.org is basically the best ressource for those things there is |
| 19:28.50 | en1gma | ohhh...its a 1680x1050 ss but i think it resizes it to 800x600 |
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| 19:28.59 | misreckoning | wols_: oh great, thank you |
| 19:29.01 | gpm | could you just try it on the cli with aptitude |
| 19:29.04 | gpm | actually |
| 19:29.05 | gpm | nm |
| 19:29.09 | gpm | i know what the problem is |
| 19:29.13 | dkr | stew: why is htb > cbq ? |
| 19:29.16 | wols_ | misreckoning: I didn't say it was an easy read however. their stuff is heavy stuff |
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| 19:30.03 | stew | dkr: iirc, HTB will let queue A borrow bandwidth from queue B when queue B is empty |
| 19:30.20 | gpm | en1gma: here's the deal: linux-image-2.6-amd64 is a helper package, it depends on 'the most recent' linux for amd64, but right now it thinks that that is 2.6.18 or whatever, when in actuality 2.6.21 is already in there |
| 19:30.30 | wols_ | and it implements some priority scheme. where most importanbt traffic comes first |
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| 19:30.54 | misreckoning | wols_: cool, if I manage to set up everything correctly, I may even write a GUI for it ;) |
| 19:30.54 | dkr | http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.cookbook.ultimate-tc.html has both also. ah, but since it's a bit older, it mentions that htb is not in all the kernels |
| 19:31.03 | dkr | I guess that is irrelevant now, though |
| 19:31.05 | stew | dkr: htb is in all kenrels for years not |
| 19:31.08 | wols_ | misreckoning: you'd be a svaiour for many people. make it webbased so people can run it on their nitty gritty linux consumer routers. like me :) |
| 19:31.08 | dkr | nod |
| 19:31.08 | stew | ^not^now |
| 19:31.20 | gpm | en1gma: could you tell me what errors come up if you try aptitude remove linux-image-2.6-amd64 in the kernel? |
| 19:31.36 | gpm | s/kernel/terminal |
| 19:31.38 | HardDisk_WP | does anyone know the site which now maintains the installers from lokigames.com? |
| 19:32.33 | wols_ | HardDisk_WP: tuxgames still sells their games |
| 19:32.34 | en1gma | well i just tried uninstalling it in a diff order and it looked like it liked it better |
| 19:32.36 | wols_ | so they might have updated one |
| 19:32.53 | gpm | en1gma: yeah |
| 19:32.57 | en1gma | if i unstalled the other one first it would mark the deps red and if i clicked uninstall it would give the error |
| 19:32.57 | h3sp4wn | wols_: openwrt's qos script is alot better than wondershaper (I asked if I could package it for Debian but he said he would prefer it if I didn't so I said ok - easy enough to do though) |
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| 19:33.06 | misreckoning | wols_: webbased ... hm that could be easily achieved with python... I will think about it! |
| 19:33.06 | en1gma | ok im in a diff area now with a similar Q |
| 19:33.06 | gpm | if you uninstall linux-2.6-amd64 first, it should be fine |
| 19:33.12 | wols_ | HardDisk_WP: I recently tried to instalp alpha centauri. It segfaults :( |
| 19:33.21 | en1gma | actually its the other way around |
| 19:33.22 | gpm | because linux-2.6-amd64 depends on 2.6.18-amd64 |
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| 19:33.28 | en1gma | the 2.6 first then the amd64 |
| 19:33.36 | wols_ | h3sp4wn: what license is theirs? |
| 19:33.36 | misreckoning | which host is recommended for such projects? I'm using gna.org ATM |
| 19:33.37 | en1gma | i know but something is screwy |
| 19:33.46 | h3sp4wn | wols_: GPL |
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| 19:34.06 | gpm | en1gma: wait, i thought you said you wanted to get rid of linux-image-2.6-amd64 and linux-image-2.6.18-4-amd64 |
| 19:34.08 | en1gma | linux-headers-2.6.21-1-amd64 && linux-headers-2.6.21-1 are both installed. do i need em both? |
| 19:34.09 | wols_ | h3sp4wn: theyn why did he release it at GPL when he doesn't want others to use it? |
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| 19:34.19 | gpm | en1gma: no |
| 19:34.26 | en1gma | i wanted to get rid of everything but 2.6.21-1-amd64 |
| 19:34.27 | misreckoning | ah did you say something in past few seconds? |
| 19:34.32 | misreckoning | (to me) |
| 19:34.41 | wols_ | ,ogamiitto mp pme dod |
| 19:34.43 | gpm | en1gma: you mean the headers? |
| 19:34.46 | wols_ | misreckoning: no one did |
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| 19:35.13 | wols_ | what do you mean with "host"? |
| 19:35.25 | wols_ | in webbased I mean on my own webserver somewhere |
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| 19:35.28 | en1gma | linux-headers-2.6.21-1 if i mark that for uninstall it marks the linux-headers-2.6.21-1-amd64 as red |
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| 19:35.31 | misreckoning | wols_: you know ... like sourceforge, to host my source |
| 19:35.33 | h3sp4wn | wols_: No idea (No legal reason that you cannot though - I think he wanted it as a selling point for Openwrt for a bit |
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| 19:35.36 | wols_ | not a webhost way out there |
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| 19:35.43 | ogamiitto | wols_, sorry? I didn't understand |
| 19:35.58 | wols_ | ah that. the important part is not where but under what license. DFSG compliant |
| 19:36.00 | gpm | en1gma: yeah, i'm pretty sure linux-headers-2.6.21-1-amd64 depends on linux-headers-2.6.21-1 |
| 19:36.02 | HardDisk_WP | wols_, i have original windope version of UT:GOTY |
| 19:36.08 | misreckoning | wols_: BSD rulz |
| 19:36.08 | wols_ | ogamiitto: I have to say sorry |
| 19:36.10 | HardDisk_WP | wols_, i only need the installer |
| 19:36.16 | en1gma | ok so i do need both those installed |
| 19:36.22 | en1gma | ok we are getting somewhere now |
| 19:36.23 | en1gma | :) |
| 19:36.24 | gpm | en1gma: yeah |
| 19:36.26 | wols_ | HardDisk_WP: google for it |
| 19:36.28 | HardDisk_WP | i know it is downloadable for free and i know the successor site, but i dont remember its url |
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| 19:36.52 | gpm | en1gma: check it out here http://packages.debian.org/unstable/devel/linux-headers-2.6.21-1-amd64 |
| 19:37.06 | misreckoning | wols_: I think I will continue to use gna ;-) |
| 19:37.06 | gpm | en1gma: the answers to most of your questions are probably on packages.debian.org |
| 19:37.58 | en1gma | to do building/compiling what all do i need? i have "linux-image-2.6.21-1-amd64" && "linux-headers-2.6.21-1-amd64" && "linux-headers-2.6.21-1" is there a kbuild or anything else i need |
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| 19:38.14 | gpm | en1gma: you mean compiling kernel modules? |
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| 19:38.23 | en1gma | yea everything |
| 19:38.32 | gpm | or just general programs? |
| 19:38.35 | WonderWal | i enter "su", i enter the password, ulimit -n always results in 1024 no matter what i try. any ideas? |
| 19:38.39 | gpm | you'll want build-essential |
| 19:38.40 | en1gma | modules and programs |
| 19:38.48 | gpm | and module-assistant |
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| 19:38.51 | gpm | for kernel modules |
| 19:38.54 | gubluntu | does anyone here know of a tool to exract/convert audio from a flash file (swf) into mp3? |
| 19:39.06 | gpm | gubluntu: mplayer could probably do it |
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| 19:39.29 | en1gma | well i mean when i switch from the default kernel to another then i remove the old kernel is there anything i might need that gets removed when i uninstall the old kernel |
| 19:39.55 | xand | en1gma: don't install the old one till you know the new one works |
| 19:39.55 | gubluntu | gpm: interesting.. ill check it out.. mplayer.. or mencoder? |
| 19:39.59 | gpm | en1gma: it should tell you what it's removing...i don't think so, but synaptic will tell you for sure before you remove what it's about to remove |
| 19:40.02 | gpm | gubluntu: player |
| 19:40.06 | wols_ | WonderWal: http://www.faqs.org/docs/securing/x4733.html a simple googling gets lots of results |
| 19:40.08 | gubluntu | gpm: ty |
| 19:40.14 | xand | en1gma: I mean... uninstall the old one |
| 19:40.15 | misreckoning | wols_: about DFSG, do you consider Sun Java is a free software? |
| 19:40.21 | gpm | gubluntu: google should provide an example |
| 19:40.31 | en1gma | im just saying so far i know there are 2 things i need when i switch kernels "linux-image" and "linux-headers" |
| 19:40.35 | en1gma | is there more |
| 19:40.37 | wols_ | misreckoning: right now: no. when Sun finally puts all of Java under GPL. yes |
| 19:40.37 | abrotman | gubluntu: vsound perhaps |
| 19:40.46 | wols_ | and i's not me who thinks this but debian |
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| 19:40.54 | samuel | sup all |
| 19:41.02 | samuel | anyone know how to create encrypted pdfs that you put in the password once and its enabled permanently? perhaps using htmldoc? everyone who will read it i believe will have acrobat installed |
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| 19:41.13 | samuel | on that computer only? |
| 19:41.16 | misreckoning | wols_: I asked because currently I'm working mostly with java, but jee/jsp would be too heavy for such a simple app anyway :P |
| 19:41.29 | gpm | en1gma: don't think so...you'll have re-compile any modules for the new kernel too..like if you have nvidia or something like that..if you compiled any modules yourself for the old kernel you'll need to compile/get them for the new one |
| 19:41.30 | wols_ | en1gma: you don't need linux-headers. sometimes you do but far from always |
| 19:41.32 | misreckoning | "simple" |
| 19:41.43 | gpm | misreckoning: sun java isn't free i think |
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| 19:41.46 | stew | misreckoning: there are dfsg free java implementations in debian |
| 19:41.59 | stew | nice tail |
| 19:41.59 | gpm | it's in non-free, that's for sure |
| 19:42.14 | wols_ | misreckoning: while java itself is not free there are programs in debian written in java that are |
| 19:42.21 | stew | gpm: yes, it is not open source, and the distribution license is very restictive |
| 19:42.34 | en1gma | yea when i installed the new kernel it wouldnt boot into X so i did the nvidia already....now im booted up in X in new kernel and am removing the old kernel stuff |
| 19:42.41 | en1gma | i thought there is a kbuild too |
| 19:43.06 | h3sp4wn | If there is a java app that only works with the sun jre then does it have to go into contrib ? |
| 19:43.08 | en1gma | i thought there is like 4 things you need when you change kernels |
| 19:43.10 | gpm | en1gma: there is a kbuild, but if you need it probably whatever you are trying to install will depend on it |
| 19:43.17 | stew | h3sp4wn: yes |
| 19:43.38 | en1gma | well the kbuild gets a version number too dont it (that kind of matches the kernel version) |
| 19:43.42 | en1gma | im checking right now |
| 19:43.46 | gpm | yeah |
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| 19:43.47 | wols_ | en1gma: debian has automatic dependency resolution... |
| 19:43.48 | gpm | it does |
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| 19:44.06 | en1gma | wols_ the auto dependency wasnt working correct |
| 19:44.09 | en1gma | phone 1 min |
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| 19:44.25 | gpm | man |
| 19:44.25 | wols_ | so if it needs something it will either tell your or install it directly outright |
| 19:44.32 | Kleber_ | friends, is there any way to virtualize a server running AMD64 on the host config and an i386 on virtualized machine ? |
| 19:44.32 | wols_ | how was it not working? |
| 19:44.35 | gpm | !beer me |
| 19:44.41 | gpm | in the morning i need one |
| 19:44.47 | WonderWal | wols_: what about daemons? |
| 19:44.52 | gpm | i don't know why i get all worked up |
| 19:44.55 | wols_ | Kleber_: yes. a 64bit kernel can easily run a 32bit userland |
| 19:45.06 | WonderWal | wols_: something rub by init. that cant be in limits.conf , can it? |
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| 19:45.26 | WonderWal | rub=run |
| 19:45.26 | Kleber_ | wols_: virtualized (not chroot) ? |
| 19:45.26 | wols_ | WonderWal: there is an inittab related script you can run on bootup unedr root priviledges |
| 19:45.53 | wols_ | Kleber_: yes a 64bit virtuallzed kernel which has a 32bit userland |
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| 19:46.13 | Kleber_ | wols_: using what, xen ? |
| 19:46.25 | wols_ | xen, kvm, etc |
| 19:46.32 | dogmeat | how can i run 32-bit binaries on x86_64 ubuntu/debian os? |
| 19:46.46 | wols_ | dogmeat: we don't know. ask #ubunut |
| 19:46.51 | gpm | aw |
| 19:46.51 | wols_ | #ubuntu |
| 19:46.53 | gpm | that's sweet |
| 19:47.01 | WonderWal | wols_: which does what? |
| 19:47.05 | dogmeat | ubuntu mostly ignores questions |
| 19:47.17 | wols_ | WonderWal: which is a script where you can set your ulimit |
| 19:47.19 | minerale | dogmeat: but the idea is that you create a 32 bit chroot with your 32 bit stuff there |
| 19:47.20 | stew | dogmeat: we can't help you with that, sorry |
| 19:47.25 | wols_ | dogmeat: we ignore ubuntu questions too |
| 19:47.30 | WonderWal | wols_: is this /etc/inittab? |
| 19:47.39 | wols_ | dogmeat: but bonus points for fallout reference |
| 19:47.53 | gonzaloaf_work | hi, I want to print the current date within a bash script, what variable can I user? |
| 19:47.56 | gpm | dogmeat: shoulda just left out that ubuntu part |
| 19:47.56 | gonzaloaf_work | use* |
| 19:48.00 | gpm | now they won't listen |
| 19:48.01 | wols_ | WonderWal: no. actaully a script file associated with /sbin/init. not inittab |
| 19:48.03 | stew | gpm: stop |
| 19:48.28 | minerale | wols_: wait, why do we ignore ubuntu questions? |
| 19:48.35 | Vasistha | !ubuntu |
| 19:48.35 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 19:48.35 | wols_ | !ubuntu |
| 19:48.37 | stew | minerale: ubuntu is off-topic here |
| 19:48.47 | wols_ | minerale: cause we're a debian channel not a ubuntu one |
| 19:48.49 | xand | but ubuntu *is* debian! ian murdock said so |
| 19:48.54 | gpm | haha |
| 19:48.56 | wols_ | xand: stop trolling |
| 19:48.59 | stew | xand: goto #solaris |
| 19:49.03 | Vasistha | do we have an ian murdock factoid? :P |
| 19:49.07 | gpm | !ian |
| 19:49.07 | dpkg | Did you mean Ian Murdock? |
| 19:49.11 | gpm | !ian murdock |
| 19:49.11 | dpkg | somebody said ian murdock was the creator of debian, who then went on to create Progeny |
| 19:49.18 | gpm | yes |
| 19:49.20 | gpm | we do |
| 19:49.27 | WonderWal | wols_: i'd love to know what it's called, struggling with google here |
| 19:49.31 | gpm | not very interesting though |
| 19:49.33 | test_ | what package has xf86Modes.h |
| 19:49.38 | stew | !ian murdock =~ s#Progeny#Progeny and now is emplayed by Sun Microsystems# |
| 19:49.39 | dpkg | OK, stew |
| 19:49.45 | stew | test_: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 19:49.50 | wols_ | WonderWal: I only remember it since it came up a few weeks ago |
| 19:49.54 | test_ | it didnt find any |
| 19:49.57 | gpm | test_: or packages.debian.org |
| 19:49.59 | stew | !ian murdock =~ s#emplayed#employed# |
| 19:49.59 | dpkg | stew: OK |
| 19:50.10 | gpm | haha |
| 19:50.13 | Vasistha | WonderWal: inittab controls some of the very early booting process. It determines what runlevel shall be run, among other things. |
| 19:50.14 | wols_ | stew: do you now that script where you can set environment and what not for init before it starts up the daemons in sysvinit? |
| 19:50.17 | minerale | wols_: still, I think that most questions here and on other distro channels are general linux questions |
| 19:50.18 | test_ | checking for xf86Modes.h... no |
| 19:50.18 | test_ | configure: error: Must have X server >= 1.3 source tree for mode setting code. Please specify --with-xserver-source |
| 19:50.22 | minerale | wols_: or maybe not |
| 19:50.32 | wols_ | minerale: stop |
| 19:50.34 | Vasistha | WonderWal: well, I dunno about "very early" -- but before runlevel 1-5, anyway ;) |
| 19:50.43 | stew | wols_: never heard of it |
| 19:51.02 | wols_ | stew: after some googling I found it. interesting stuff |
| 19:51.06 | wols_ | !tell test_ about search |
| 19:51.15 | karsten | wols_: /etc/environment, maybe. |
| 19:51.17 | wols_ | test_: pdo has a field where you can look for that header file and see which package it is |
| 19:51.18 | test_ | DID YOU FIND ITi |
| 19:51.20 | test_ | i ran all searches |
| 19:51.22 | sudo_maddash | dpkg: welcome back. |
| 19:51.22 | dpkg | it's good to be home :) |
| 19:51.28 | test_ | pdo? |
| 19:51.34 | stew | !tell test_ about search |
| 19:51.38 | karsten | wols_: /etc/init.d/rc as well. |
| 19:51.39 | WonderWal | hmmm |
| 19:51.41 | gpm | or pdo |
| 19:51.44 | gpm | packages.debian.org |
| 19:51.46 | gpm | like i said |
| 19:51.46 | J_P | people, what is the command to know what process/application are using one partition that I wnat umount (device is busy) ? |
| 19:51.49 | gpm | pretty damned obvious |
| 19:52.07 | stew | J_P: lsof or fuser |
| 19:52.22 | test_ | it isnt there |
| 19:52.28 | stew | test_: what isn't where? |
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| 19:52.33 | J_P | stew: ok |
| 19:52.34 | theredmonkey | hi |
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| 19:52.42 | test_ | guess |
| 19:52.50 | wols_ | stew: just looked. no ...Modes.h file anywhere |
| 19:52.52 | test_ | nevermind |
| 19:53.00 | gpm | sorry for being obnoxious earlier |
| 19:53.02 | wols_ | stew: whic is strange |
| 19:53.04 | gpm | i'm out |
| 19:53.21 | test_ | dpkg lists it in xserver-xorg-dev though |
| 19:53.24 | test_ | i dont get it |
| 19:54.15 | WonderWal | still cant find this. |
| 19:54.15 | J_P | stew: how use fuser ? |
| 19:54.22 | test_ | did someone forget to put it in the package? |
| 19:54.24 | wols_ | test_: only xf85Module.h, no Modes.h |
| 19:54.32 | wols_ | J_P: man fuser is a great start |
| 19:54.41 | stew | J_P: "fuser filename" will tell you what process has a file open |
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| 19:57.06 | test_ | the file is only in unstable blat |
| 19:57.34 | J_P | stew: But I don't know what is the filename that are using, I see in manual, but don't have some like as fuser mounted_partition right ? |
| 19:58.04 | stew | J_P: use lsof then |
| 19:59.06 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
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| 19:59.25 | HardDisk_WP | i have two debian machines...how do I use the APT cache of the one as repository for the other? |
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| 19:59.51 | Bracki | whats the default MDA that comes w/ Sarge? |
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| 20:01.09 | bubux | i need help.. i have an small HP printer installed in my debian etch and my bro wants to print stuff from his windows vista... i have samba installed and i can print from debian... what should i do? |
| 20:01.11 | stew | Bracki: none |
| 20:02.19 | Vasistha | bubux: are you using a DE like gnome or kde? It may be easier to do the sharing through one of their graphical tools |
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| 20:02.40 | bubux | Vasistha: i'm using gnome |
| 20:03.01 | Vasistha | HardDisk_WP: There are a couple options. You can use apt-proxy if the "server" will be always on. Mine isn't, though, so I created a trivial repository. |
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| 20:03.39 | Vasistha | bubux: I'm in no position to help you (since I don't even have a printer ;) but if noone else pipes up here, you might ask on irc.gnome.org |
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| 20:03.57 | wols_ | bubux: windows can pint to CUPS directly va port 631. "internet printing" in MS lingo |
| 20:04.13 | HardDisk_WP | Vasistha, only sth. temporary..or can I use the .deb files from apt cache and use them via dpkg -i *.deb? |
| 20:04.20 | wols_ | just set up a PS printer via ghostscript |
| 20:04.46 | Vasistha | HardDisk_WP: well, the easiest thing to do, then, is to just copy them from /var/cache/apt/archives of the one machine to the other |
| 20:04.55 | bubux | wols_: thank you alot for your attention! how should he procede to print it? is ti an opition in the print dialog on windows? |
| 20:04.58 | HardDisk_WP | okay |
| 20:05.17 | wols_ | bubux: afaik yes |
| 20:05.45 | wols_ | bubux: http://www.owlfish.com/thoughts/winipp-cups-2003-07-20.html |
| 20:05.56 | wols_ | IPP = internet printing protocol |
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| 20:07.02 | wols_ | !ipp |
| 20:07.03 | dpkg | from memory, ipp is Internet Printing Protocol, a http based protocol for sharing printers on a network. See CUPS for a linux implementation |
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| 20:08.22 | bubux | wols_: thank you again i will try it now... |
| 20:08.30 | Lin | hi all. Im having problem configuring wpa_supplicant; I know that network-admin can do the job. But Im running a server without any graphical Interface. I have configured /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf and /etc/network/interfaces. But the it didn't find dhcp server (configuring interface manually works). And I have to restart the inferface to make it work properly. Without the restart of interface (invoke-rc.d networking restart or ifdown ath0; ifup ath0) the |
| 20:08.30 | Lin | card didnt work. ANy tips? |
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| 20:08.46 | peterrus | is there some way to completely remove gnome from my kde system? |
| 20:08.58 | peterrus | because apt-get remove gnome only removes themetapackage |
| 20:08.58 | h3sp4wn | Lin: read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian.gz |
| 20:09.15 | roland | hi, i have a pc connected to my router, internet doesnt work when i use router (i've configured it to use the public ip, ip of dns, gateway, netmask etc. from ISP, and my pc doesnt have internet) , but if i connect directly to internet with my pc then i have internet acces.. what could be wrong |
| 20:09.16 | h3sp4wn | Lin: You are trying to set it up as a client correct ? |
| 20:09.24 | Lin | h3sp4wn: yes. |
| 20:09.56 | h3sp4wn | Lin: zless /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian.gz (tells you the correct syntax for /etc/network/interfaces) |
| 20:10.00 | peterrus | roland, try sudo dhconfig |
| 20:10.01 | Lin | h3sp4wn: AFAIK, the configs are ok. restarting network or the interface put it up. |
| 20:10.32 | peterrus | roland, if you get internet after that, configure your system to use dhcp to connect to teh internetz |
| 20:10.35 | Lin | h3sp4wn: AFAIK, there isn't any problem with syntax. |
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| 20:11.10 | h3sp4wn | Lin: There must be or it would work |
| 20:11.54 | Lin | h3sp4wn: http://arda.ibeu.org.br/interfaces |
| 20:12.14 | h3sp4wn | Lin: no permission to access it |
| 20:12.14 | Lin | wow perms |
| 20:12.16 | Lin | wait |
| 20:12.28 | roland | peterrus, ok , i cant i use slackwre, im in the wrong channel i guess |
| 20:12.40 | peterrus | roland, ehm you can with slackware |
| 20:12.42 | peterrus | oh wait |
| 20:12.49 | peterrus | try dhclient as root |
| 20:12.57 | roland | i did use dhcp |
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| 20:13.01 | peterrus | ah |
| 20:13.04 | roland | and i received 192.168.0.9 |
| 20:13.04 | peterrus | well then I have no idea |
| 20:13.07 | test_ | hah , i just installed xserver-xorg-dev from sid in etch , is that dangerous? |
| 20:13.08 | peterrus | hmm |
| 20:13.09 | Lin | h3sp4wn: check it |
| 20:13.09 | roland | well thats not the problem |
| 20:13.15 | peterrus | roland, can you ping your router? |
| 20:13.26 | peterrus | test_, not really |
| 20:13.26 | h3sp4wn | Lin: why wpa-driver madwifi |
| 20:13.30 | h3sp4wn | Lin: use wext |
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| 20:13.41 | roland | if i have entered the router management, i guess ping is okay :) |
| 20:13.42 | Lin | http://arda.ibeu.org.br/wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 20:13.45 | roland | i said i configured router |
| 20:13.46 | h3sp4wn | Lin: (unless you are using an ancient version of mawifi-old) |
| 20:13.48 | peterrus | roland, true |
| 20:13.58 | peterrus | roland, hmm, I think it is a router issue then |
| 20:15.46 | peterrus | roland, as you can ping it |
| 20:15.47 | stew | test_: isntalling unstable packages onto stable is a bad idea |
| 20:15.47 | test_ | peterrus, the etch ver was missing a header file , i have no idea why on earth that is , but it prevented me from buildding a intel 2d driver for X |
| 20:15.47 | Lin | h3sp4wn: afaik isn't a old driver. |
| 20:15.47 | peterrus | test_, now return to the stable version than, and try if it sill works |
| 20:15.47 | stew | test_: why are you building an intel 2d driver? why not use the intel 3d driver that comes with etch? |
| 20:15.47 | h3sp4wn | Lin: The one in etch non-free ? |
| 20:15.48 | Lin | h3sp4wn: exactly |
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| 20:15.48 | olskolirc | ? |
| 20:15.48 | test_ | stew, cause it dosent have dri |
| 20:15.48 | olskolirc | l |
| 20:15.48 | olskolirc | ? |
| 20:15.48 | olskolirc | tns |
| 20:15.49 | olskolirc | ltns |
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| 20:15.50 | h3sp4wn | Lin: wpa-driver wext (Should really use that) |
| 20:15.50 | madclicker | hi, i am trying to dump a file system to a dat SCSI tapedrive. if i dump /var partition the speed is 1555KB/S, but if i dump the /home partition i barley get half that speed. Why would this be? |
| 20:15.50 | test_ | stew, for this chip i have |
| 20:15.50 | olskolirc | which dev is my usb head set please |
| 20:15.50 | misreckoning | limiting works! lartc rules! |
| 20:15.50 | test_ | bah compile error |
| 20:15.58 | Lin | h3sp4wn: ok I will try. besides thois, there is no problem on syntax right? But why a network restart put my interface up? |
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| 20:16.22 | h3sp4wn | Lin: Why are you using static if you want to use dhcp ? |
| 20:16.47 | Lin | h3sp4wn: I was testing if static worked. Cause DHCP was not working even doing manually. |
| 20:16.59 | h3sp4wn | Lin: And does static work ? |
| 20:17.09 | Lin | only if I restart manually |
| 20:17.12 | olskolirc | which dev is my usb head set please |
| 20:17.26 | stew | test_: in any case, i don't know if a driver compiled against xorg 7.2 would work with xorg 7.1 |
| 20:17.28 | h3sp4wn | Lin: You mean it doesn't come up on reboot ? |
| 20:17.35 | Lin | h3sp4wn: no |
| 20:17.43 | stew | test_: but you should really not install pacakges from unstable onto stable: /msg dpkg backports |
| 20:17.46 | h3sp4wn | Lin: What do you mean then |
| 20:17.46 | Lin | h3sp4wn: it wont comes up. |
| 20:17.54 | test_ | stew, it isnt compiling it gave an error |
| 20:18.02 | test_ | stew, i know |
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| 20:18.20 | Lin | h3sp4wn: no == don't comes up on reboot. |
| 20:18.25 | Lin | ;-) |
| 20:18.30 | stew | test_: if you want help, you'd have to show us the error |
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| 20:19.03 | Lin | h3sp4wn: I will make the changes and I will report back |
| 20:19.10 | theredmonkey | bye |
| 20:19.13 | test_ | In file included from /usr/include/xorg/xf86Crtc.h:26, from ch7017.c:40: /usr/include/xorg/randrstr.h:64: error: 'RRNumberRequests' undeclared here (not in a function) /usr/include/xorg/randrstr.h:80: error: expected specifier-qualifier-list before 'xRRModeInfo' /usr/include/xorg/randrstr.h:441: error: expected ')' before '*' token ..... |
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| 20:19.20 | h3sp4wn | Lin: try putting a sleep 5 into pre-up |
| 20:19.30 | Lin | h3sp4wn: ok. |
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| 20:19.51 | h3sp4wn | Lin: pre-up sleep 5 (at one point I had an issue where dhcp broke) |
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| 20:20.17 | h3sp4wn | Lin: (probably needs less but that will determin definately whether that is the issue) |
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| 20:20.31 | Lin | h3sp4wn: ok.. thank you |
| 20:21.00 | h3sp4wn | Lin: (Not using it anymore so cannot test here - but it was like that with sid say 5 months ago) |
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| 20:21.37 | test_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:21.47 | Lin | going to reboot·.. |
| 20:21.49 | olskolirc | did etch come out of frozen? |
| 20:21.53 | stew | olskolirc: /topic |
| 20:21.57 | olskolirc | which dev is my usb head set please |
| 20:22.16 | olskolirc | stew? |
| 20:22.49 | stew | olskolirc: if you read the topic, it says " ETCH IS NOW STABLE: /msg dpkg etch" which should answer your question "did etch come out of frozen" |
| 20:23.05 | olskolirc | yayyyyy |
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| 20:23.19 | regulate | test_: unstable or newer |
| 20:23.29 | nunu_ | hi e1, I'm trying to capture my guitar through jackd. My problem is that I can hear it even if it's not connected in jack .. its pluged in via the mic input. i know it works, i had it running a while ago by switching on all capturing devices in the alsamixer and switching the input source to mix instead of mic but it wont work. can anyone help ? |
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| 20:24.08 | flyinprogramer | wow |
| 20:24.15 | flyinprogramer | i need to buy a new server this summer |
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| 20:24.29 | ann0ia | Uhm |
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| 20:24.54 | flyinprogramer | .... i have getting kernel panic errors, then a keyboard failure |
| 20:24.56 | ann0ia | I've just upgraded icedove to v. 2.0... I can't create an account, I can't do much at all.. |
| 20:25.04 | flyinprogramer | then more kernel panic erros |
| 20:25.06 | flyinprogramer | *errors |
| 20:25.22 | flyinprogramer | so i opened up my machine, re-seeded the RAM chips, and now everything's fine |
| 20:26.02 | abrotman | reseated |
| 20:26.33 | ann0ia | Is Icedove 2.0.0.0-3 broken? |
| 20:26.47 | MoDaX | ann0ia: check bts? |
| 20:26.49 | abrotman | !bts |
| 20:26.49 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 20:27.04 | enouf | wols_: fwiw .. i googled and found this http://linuxgazette.net/issue89/gonzales.html "For this we use the ulimit command, the commands must be placed in /etc/profile and every time a user obtains a shell those commands are executed. The options are:..." |
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| 20:27.31 | ann0ia | modax - Thanks |
| 20:27.33 | MoDaX | ann0ia: 10 grave bugs + 1 seriuous. yes, it is |
| 20:27.40 | MoDaX | serious* |
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| 20:27.43 | enouf | though i certainly didn't read the entire artcile |
| 20:27.55 | abrotman | enouf: what are you doing ? |
| 20:28.25 | enouf | abrotman: nothing .. filling in some old hat |
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| 20:28.39 | abrotman | enouf: don't call me that!~ |
| 20:29.02 | ann0ia | modax - Apparently there's a fix, though :) |
| 20:29.07 | ann0ia | Oh well, I think I'm lazy today |
| 20:29.17 | enouf | heh .. wakefield got creamed .. |
| 20:29.32 | nunu_ | can noone help me with my alsa prob ? :/ mhh |
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| 20:29.43 | enouf | they shoold've had boggs pitch |
| 20:29.44 | abrotman | enouf: hehe .. so did your AA guy |
| 20:30.21 | enouf | yep .. well our pitching stinks |
| 20:30.21 | abrotman | duh |
| 20:30.22 | abrotman | your hitting isn't much better :) |
| 20:30.26 | enouf | now you're dreaming ;-P |
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| 20:30.39 | Tobsn | re |
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| 20:30.49 | enouf | Arod leads in HR, Posada in Avg, and Jeter in something in AL |
| 20:30.55 | pulpitrum | i've installed sun-java jdk. now JAVA_HOME isnt set. do i have to it manually? where should i put the definition? rc... ? |
| 20:31.15 | Tobsn | # ulimit -n 8192 |
| 20:31.15 | Tobsn | -bash: ulimit: open files: cannot modify limit: operation not permitted |
| 20:31.17 | abrotman | who cares if you get all your HR if you're already ahead by 10 |
| 20:31.18 | enouf | sudo_maddash: got a sec? |
| 20:31.23 | Tobsn | any ideas? - im logged in as root |
| 20:31.38 | ericjames | wols_: Had to break for a while. When I connected the cable modem and restarted the computer I still received the same output from dmesg "eth0: no IPv6 routers present |
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| 20:32.07 | en1gma | sup all |
| 20:32.08 | abrotman | enouf: btw .. the game is on at 7pm on ESPN tonight |
| 20:32.26 | enouf | Tobsn: perhaps http://linuxgazette.net/issue89/gonzales.html can help .. not sure though |
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| 20:32.34 | enouf | abrotman: danke |
| 20:32.41 | zeth | Hi, newbie question 101, does apt-get build-dep install all the deps but not the package? that is what it implies to me at least |
| 20:32.42 | en1gma | i almost got my system running perfect (i would say its prob 95% complete for the way i want it) but i got a couple minor problems |
| 20:32.42 | ericjames | wols_what could be blocking the connection? I dont believe there is any firewall installed |
| 20:32.47 | wols_ | ericjames: nothing like "full duplex"? |
| 20:33.01 | wols_ | and: what NIC chip is it? |
| 20:33.08 | MoDaX | zeth: yes |
| 20:33.12 | zeth | cheers |
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| 20:33.17 | enouf | abrotman: i hate how when they're aired on anything other than Yes, there's no rerun/rebroadcast .. i missed most of the mets series this weekend |
| 20:33.24 | Tobsn | en1gma... hmm. why? |
| 20:33.36 | en1gma | everytime i boot up i have to open a term and switch to root and type 'mount /dev/mapper/nvidia_bfafgfja1 /media/raid' can i add this command some where so it does it when i boot up |
| 20:33.37 | enouf | not that i don't get broadcast , just busy with life stuff ;-) |
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| 20:34.10 | MoDaX | en1gma: fstab? |
| 20:34.10 | regulate | en1gma: /etc/fstab |
| 20:34.16 | en1gma | i dont know if thats where i do it because this uses dmraid |
| 20:34.29 | en1gma | when i did it kanotix we made a script |
| 20:34.33 | en1gma | well Kano did |
| 20:34.50 | enouf | en1gma: put the module names in /etc/modules ? |
| 20:34.54 | MoDaX | en1gma: won't hurt to try. works for me |
| 20:35.08 | en1gma | MoDax you using bios-raid? |
| 20:35.10 | enouf | en1gma: or reroll your initrd (man update-initramfs) |
| 20:35.16 | Tobsn | hmm enouf, i dont understand this thing... why should it help me? |
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| 20:35.36 | enouf | en1gma: even a dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-XXX your new kernel may do it |
| 20:35.37 | en1gma | going to look at my fstab right now....dont think this is where i do it but maybe |
| 20:35.46 | ericjames | I am using a fresh install of debian netinst I have not installed any firewall. the network card is a cnet pro200, i noticed while the computer was booting it recognized this |
| 20:35.54 | en1gma | dont it still need to know where to mount it? |
| 20:36.03 | MoDaX | en1gma: yes. dmraid, but for / |
| 20:36.04 | enouf | Tobsn: search the doc for /etc/profile .. if you are the one who was having trouble setting ulimits |
| 20:36.09 | en1gma | ok checking |
| 20:36.22 | Tobsn | yep hmm |
| 20:36.37 | enouf | Tobsn: perhaps i've mistaken ou and your issue .. in that case my apologies |
| 20:36.40 | abrotman | enouf: whose fault is that ? :) |
| 20:37.01 | Tobsn | dont know really... it just looks so that i cant raise the ulimit size as root |
| 20:37.10 | enouf | abrotman: i will NOT get pulled into this 'blame_game' ;-) |
| 20:37.21 | en1gma | after i mounted the drive with this command 'mount /dev/mapper/nvidia_bfafgfja1 /media/raid' is there a command to have fstab update and add it |
| 20:37.34 | abrotman | enouf: well you are the one that missed the game :) |
| 20:37.38 | enouf | Tobsn: debian-administartion.org may also have some useful info |
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| 20:37.43 | enouf | typos |
| 20:38.19 | en1gma | 'fstab update' ? |
| 20:38.37 | en1gma | shouldnt it add anything that is currently mounted |
| 20:38.57 | MoDaX | en1gma:you're confusing mtab with fstab probably |
| 20:39.08 | en1gma | is there a kde fstab update tool |
| 20:39.13 | en1gma | i know i seen one somewhere |
| 20:39.15 | enouf | what? |
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| 20:39.42 | MoDaX | en1gma: maybe in kde-guidance |
| 20:39.49 | en1gma | checking |
| 20:39.52 | enouf | open a terminal and cat /etc/fstab; nano /etc/fstab (as root/su/sudo) to edit it |
| 20:39.58 | Vasistha | pulpitrum: did you get your answer? afaik, the java path should be initialized for normal users, but you might need to open a new shell that's reading the environment variables in, in order to see it |
| 20:40.07 | MoDaX | en1gma: copy&paste line from /etc/mtab |
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| 20:40.24 | JosefAssad | em... which is the better choice for relaying to smarthosts (multiple, based on From: field) exim or postfix? Better meaning, easier and more appropriate. I'm not looking for a precise measure, just impressions |
| 20:40.34 | enouf | mtab is not necessarily correct .. always use cat /proc/mounts instead |
| 20:40.41 | en1gma | MoDaX nice* i like that idea :) |
| 20:40.44 | regulate | or just call mount |
| 20:40.48 | samuel | how can i do this: i want to protect some information, namely a PDF, i create pdfs with htmldoc, ive a webserver with php and mysql... i want a user to get the pdf and only be able to use it from the computer he got it in, how can i do that? i know its a very broad question but im not sure where else to ask... oh... and it has to run on linux, but the PDF will most likely be seen on windows but i dont know |
| 20:41.08 | enouf | oh, thought you were 'checking' it |
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| 20:41.21 | misreckoning | Milan won :) |
| 20:41.23 | JosefAssad | samuel: you want to control what users can do with the content. DRM. |
| 20:41.31 | en1gma | going to reboot and see what it do |
| 20:41.33 | en1gma | brb |
| 20:41.41 | samuel | JosefAssad: DRM on linux? |
| 20:42.01 | JosefAssad | samuel: looks to me like that'ß what you're looking for. |
| 20:42.08 | wols_ | samuel: #debian is TOTALLy the wrong channel for DRM questions. utterly and totally |
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| 20:42.20 | enouf | samuel: see if pdftk offers anything |
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| 20:42.45 | Vasistha | samuel: there are password-protected pdf's, and other pdf features, but an intelligent user can circumvent them |
| 20:42.46 | samuel | ok, thanks |
| 20:43.00 | wols_ | enouf: what linux programmer would make such a program? and then release as Free softwre even |
| 20:43.01 | enouf | DRM/DMCA wtf is going on here? |
| 20:43.23 | MoDaX | new trends :) |
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| 20:43.48 | Vasistha | hehe, linux programmers make programs to *break* that stuff :D |
| 20:43.49 | samuel | yes ive been thinking of that... htmldoc can set the perms for PDF... but what i really need it somehting that connects to my server, gets a key, only once for that computer... |
| 20:43.51 | enouf | i am blind .. you know i don't support that crap wols_ the guy asked some passwd protecting question .. what's that to do with DRM? |
| 20:44.04 | Vasistha | samuel: yeah, you're in the wrong channel |
| 20:44.33 | enouf | don't most pdfs have that protection? or .. what the heck do i know .. |
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| 20:44.53 | samuel | Vasistha, enouf i dont want to make it impossible... just difficult... |
| 20:44.55 | en1gma | copying that file from mtab to fstab worked great |
| 20:45.09 | en1gma | my "user" acct cant read or write to it but thats ok |
| 20:45.10 | Vasistha | enouf: well, password protection, afaik, does not prohibit copying to another computer and using the same password there |
| 20:45.13 | enouf | samuel: i don't know .. never done it |
| 20:45.15 | en1gma | root has full control |
| 20:45.34 | Vasistha | samuel: if I knew how to do this, I certainly would not tell you in #debian ;) |
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| 20:45.57 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:46.04 | wols_ | that has nothing to do with passwords in my book |
| 20:46.08 | Vasistha | hahaha @ pulpitrum's /quit msg |
| 20:46.09 | MoDaX | en1gma: use umask,uid,gid. what fs is there? |
| 20:46.14 | enouf | Vasistha: doesn't encrypted filesystems and such do the same? what about most PDF docs one pulls off the web (whitepapers and such) .. again .. i'll let it go, since i don;t see the cionnection ,but whatever |
| 20:46.17 | en1gma | its an ntfs |
| 20:46.25 | en1gma | i think i like it being root only |
| 20:46.29 | wols_ | this is a dongle to th computer it was downloaded for. same as adobe does with their ebooks and special reader devices afaik |
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| 20:46.44 | luke-jr_work | why does dpkg -b want a DEBIAN directory instead of the usual 'debian'? |
| 20:46.48 | en1gma | one tiny prob that acts like a big one is the clock in the system tray |
| 20:46.49 | enouf | i missed many parts o the question then .. my bad |
| 20:46.51 | Vasistha | enouf: encrypted file systems are about keeping your data private from prying eyes. His question is, how do you control data on someone *else's* compuer |
| 20:46.57 | Vasistha | +t |
| 20:46.58 | enouf | Vasistha: ^^^^ |
| 20:47.02 | enouf | ok |
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| 20:47.07 | en1gma | ive been in there before and got it set right but i cant seem to rem how i did it |
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| 20:47.32 | Vasistha | en1gma: you might need to run tzconfig |
| 20:47.39 | flyinprogramer | ok, i choose not to install gnome or any GUI on my debian box, because i prefer the terminal, but i was wondering if there was anyway to increase my resolution without having to recompile my kernel, i was hoping for 1024x786.... |
| 20:47.48 | enouf | Vasistha: i in no way shape or form support that .. otherwise i'd work for redmond or sony or any of a gazillion others like bsd :-P |
| 20:47.53 | en1gma | i could have sworn i right clicked the clock and did it all from there |
| 20:47.54 | wols_ | enouf: not to mention that what he wants es even more impossible than normal DRM stuff |
| 20:48.03 | MoDaX | luke-jr_work: dpkg-source -b |
| 20:48.10 | enouf | ok ok ok already .. MY BAD .. |
| 20:48.11 | Vasistha | flyinprogramer: you need a frame buffer, perhaps svgatextmode, or perhaps just a kernel boot parameter of vga=791 |
| 20:48.11 | wols_ | flyinprogramer: framebuffer |
| 20:48.20 | MoDaX | luke-jr_work: dpkg -b builds binary packages |
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| 20:48.32 | wols_ | enouf: I'm a geek. you cant's stop my ranting about DRM when I begun :) |
| 20:48.34 | jgw2001 | Hello |
| 20:48.39 | enouf | now lighten up before i call on dpkg ;-P |
| 20:48.54 | luke-jr_work | MoDaX: I want to build a binary pkg... |
| 20:48.56 | Vasistha | enouf: I didn't think you were endorsing it ;) I was just explaining to you my understanding |
| 20:48.58 | jgw2001 | DRM is a good thing, it increases choice for the comsumer.... |
| 20:49.02 | enouf | wols_: i hear that .. i'm very passionate about it as well |
| 20:49.02 | wols_ | dpkg: you love me, you'd never do anything to me right? |
| 20:49.02 | cydork | do we have rmssmite? :P |
| 20:49.14 | regulate | lol |
| 20:49.15 | enouf | lol |
| 20:49.19 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:49.24 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:49.32 | wols_ | jgw2001: wth is DRM? there is digital consumer enablement or whatever it's called |
| 20:49.36 | wols_ | there is no DRM |
| 20:49.42 | Vasistha | enouf: http://ctrlaltdel-online.com/comics/20070407.jpg |
| 20:49.49 | Vasistha | sorry XD |
| 20:49.49 | enouf | keep clicking those heels, dorothy |
| 20:49.58 | MoDaX | luke-jr_work: dpkg-source -b builds binary packages from SOURCE. dpkg -b builds a deb package from binaries |
| 20:50.20 | jgw2001 | Well I see nothing wrong with DRM........ |
| 20:50.43 | MoDaX | en1gma: I don't get your problem |
| 20:50.45 | enouf | Vasistha: My $(DEITY) .. that comic is a Novel's worth :-) |
| 20:51.10 | Vasistha | enouf: I wanted to add it to dpkg's lol factoid, but the factoid is locked :( |
| 20:51.15 | enouf | Vasistha: Novell's even .. ;-P |
| 20:51.25 | en1gma | how do i set my clock to update through internet and all i do is pick my timezone |
| 20:51.29 | en1gma | its all odd |
| 20:51.32 | en1gma | off* |
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| 20:51.42 | enouf | Vasistha: mucho botabuse lately i suspect |
| 20:51.43 | karsten | Feh. How do I set font sizes for gnome apps? Running wmaker as window manager. |
| 20:51.52 | karsten | !tell enouf about ntp |
| 20:52.05 | enouf | karsten: wrong nick ;-p |
| 20:52.09 | karsten | !tell en1gma about ntp |
| 20:52.16 | karsten | !tell enouf about I'm an idiot |
| 20:52.18 | Vasistha | karsten: maybe in ~/.gtkrc-2.0 or something |
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| 20:52.22 | enouf | haha |
| 20:52.23 | MoDaX | karsten: gtk-theme-switch2 |
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| 20:52.39 | Bracki | whats the easiest way to backup a whole disk w/ sarge? |
| 20:52.45 | Bracki | got a sparedisk connected |
| 20:52.49 | karsten | MoDaX: Nope. |
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| 20:52.53 | karsten | Bracki: tar |
| 20:53.09 | Bracki | just tar the whole device? |
| 20:53.21 | karsten | Bracki: Tar the filesystem, not the raw partition. |
| 20:53.22 | Bracki | or each dir from /? |
| 20:53.26 | MoDaX | !find gtk-theme-switch2 |
| 20:53.30 | Bracki | karsten: how do i do that? |
| 20:53.32 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'gtk-theme-switch2' (1): (/usr/bin/gtk-theme-switch2) in x11/gtk-theme-switch. |
| 20:53.36 | karsten | MoDaX: That's not a font thing. |
| 20:53.43 | karsten | Bracki: google linux backup mini faq |
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| 20:53.52 | MoDaX | karsten: it allows you to change the font |
| 20:54.07 | karsten | MoDaX: It's a theme chooser AFAICT. |
| 20:54.08 | Vasistha | Bracki: (cd /source; tar cf - .) | (cd /destination; tar xf -) |
| 20:54.21 | MoDaX | karsten: yes, it is. but try it first |
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| 20:54.37 | flyinprogramer | Vasistha: what other numbers are out there other than 791? |
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| 20:54.40 | karsten | MoDaX: Um, dude, like I am. |
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| 20:54.47 | jgw2001 | So how are we going to counter the threat from the dreaded ubuntu... |
| 20:54.48 | jgw2001 | ? |
| 20:54.56 | enouf | we? |
| 20:55.06 | karsten | jgw2001: OT. |
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| 20:55.14 | enouf | someone who supports DRM .. i think not 'we' |
| 20:55.32 | Vasistha | flyinprogramer: google for vga 791 and you should find a few. |
| 20:55.33 | enouf | troll-time |
| 20:55.33 | Vasistha | flyinprogramer: but keep in mind, framebuffer is probably a better solution |
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| 20:56.03 | karsten | MoDaX: What I'm trying to do is get gaim to render readable fonts. Naturally, no Gtk/GNOME app actually has font configuration in the application itself. That would be too f*cking simple. |
| 20:56.12 | enouf | flyinprogramer: 1280x1024 is 794, iirc |
| 20:56.20 | enouf | flyinprogramer: x16 that is |
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| 20:56.52 | enouf | flyinprogramer: nice list here http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Framebuffer-HOWTO-5.html use a calc to do the conversion |
| 20:56.57 | Vasistha | karsten: yeah, ~/.gtkrc-2.0 or something |
| 20:56.57 | MoDaX | karsten: you can edit ~/.gtk-2.0 if you don't want to use gtk-theme-swtich2 |
| 20:56.58 | bubux | how i restart samba in etch? |
| 20:57.10 | enouf | though many times you can use the hex |
| 20:57.19 | Vasistha | bubux: in /etc/init.d you need to restart nmbd and smbd |
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| 20:57.49 | Bracki | karsten: isnt that mini faq tape related? |
| 20:57.55 | karsten | Vasistha: There's nothing comperable to kcontrol? And WTF did the fonts change anyhow? |
| 20:58.00 | karsten | Bracki: yes, it is. |
| 20:58.07 | karsten | Bracki: Improvise. |
| 20:58.13 | en1gma | ok now im 97% done....the 2 last and biggest problems are "Flash and Java" (i have the amd64 kernel) is there anyway to get these working |
| 20:58.19 | karsten | Bracki: Tar can be *shock* *horror* used on disk as well. |
| 20:58.36 | Vasistha | karsten: there's a gnome control panel, but I've heard that the gnome people are constantly making stuff impossible to control in the name of simplicity |
| 20:58.36 | enouf | karsten: ouch gnome adjustments .. i feel your pain .. |
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| 20:58.52 | Bracki | karsten: the mt commands confused me. |
| 20:58.53 | karsten | Vasistha: No shit. |
| 20:59.03 | karsten | Vasistha: That's a major, major, major reason for utterly shunning gnome. |
| 20:59.20 | karsten | Bracki: tar <options> -f <destination tarfile> <source> |
| 20:59.51 | bubux | when adding a printer to smaba... what should i put in the field path? |
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| 21:00.06 | karsten | Bracki: Your main concern is going to be selecting what you back up (or excluding what you don't want to). The rest of that FAQ is a guide to what you need to back up on a typical system. |
| 21:00.13 | Vasistha | karsten: well ... yeah. I sure don't use it. Linus has made similar arguments about this stuff in favor of kde and against gnome :P |
| 21:00.18 | bubux | Vasistha: when adding a printer to smaba... what should i put in the field path? |
| 21:00.21 | enouf | en1gma: prolly using mozilla plugins .. but don't ask me anything more, i don;t support that crap weither |
| 21:00.33 | karsten | Bracki: If you can mount the filesystem under another system (eg: Knoppix) you can just tar that particular mountpoint. |
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| 21:00.45 | en1gma | enouf what crap is supported for amd64 |
| 21:00.59 | MoDaX | karsten: http://alioth.debian.org/~modax-guest/gtk-theme-swtich2.png ? |
| 21:00.59 | karsten | Vasistha: http://zgp.org/pipermail/linux-elitists/2004-January/008601.html |
| 21:01.02 | enouf | en1gma: ask the proprietors |
| 21:01.07 | Vasistha | bubux: I'll refer you here to the part where I said "I'm in no position to help you (since I don't even have a printer ;)" |
| 21:01.09 | enouf | en1gma: like adone and sun |
| 21:01.14 | enouf | er adobe |
| 21:01.19 | MoDaX | karsten: is it not enough? |
| 21:01.33 | en1gma | so basically amd64 dont have any flash or java support at all |
| 21:01.49 | h3sp4wn | It has nspluginwrapper or a chroot |
| 21:01.56 | MoDaX | karsten: there is gnome control center, which you don't want to run not under gnome |
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| 21:02.02 | karsten | MoDaX: I'm looking for something which is the equivalent of KDE's "use this font in this place...". ~/.gtkrc-2.0 claims "THEME AUTO-WRITTEN DO NOT EDIT". |
| 21:02.03 | h3sp4wn | en1gma: If you cannot use either of those then don't use amd64 |
| 21:02.08 | enouf | en1gma: you chose a 64bit only system |
| 21:02.17 | karsten | MoDaX: .. and the font is " font_name="?P???" |
| 21:02.19 | enouf | en1gma: but there's some options .. |
| 21:02.29 | karsten | (that's unicode, NFC WTF happened to it). |
| 21:02.41 | en1gma | enouf....come on man you cant blame it on my processor as there are literally millions of ppl with amd64s |
| 21:02.45 | enouf | one is what i stated, another is a chroot env |
| 21:03.06 | Vasistha | MoDaX: huh, one can't run the gnome control center from kde, huh? I guess I'm glad I never tried it :) |
| 21:03.18 | flyinprogramer | i'll brb, its not working, i'm going to get my menu.lst for you guys, see what i'm doing wroong |
| 21:03.22 | enouf | en1gma: i don't blame it on your CPU, i (can, though i don't) blame it on your choices ;-) |
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| 21:04.01 | enouf | en1gma: since it's not my place to judge your choices .. but you made them, not deal with them ;-) |
| 21:04.05 | en1gma | well it only makes since to install the proper kernel for your cpu.....how bout this...is there any howtos or guides on getting flash or java working with deb sid |
| 21:04.13 | MoDaX | Vasistha: you can. loads parts of gnome (including desktop and wallpaper) with it. which you have to kill manually later. all in all, a pain |
| 21:04.14 | enouf | er s/not/now |
| 21:04.20 | bubux | where is my printer spool directory on etch? |
| 21:04.33 | enouf | en1gma: see adobe and sun |
| 21:04.38 | Lin | h3sp4wn: hi.. dhcp still not working :-/ just static configurations |
| 21:04.49 | Vasistha | MoDaX: gah! I'm glad I never tried! heh |
| 21:04.51 | chlue | can someone give me a hint why the packet is glibc frozen? "1983 packages are stalled by glibc" and I would like to get some of them... |
| 21:05.13 | en1gma | so adobe and sun make guides and howtos? this will be a first and i dont think they tell you how to make plugins for iceweasel aka firefox |
| 21:05.24 | enouf | en1gma: sure .. https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html might help a bit |
| 21:05.25 | Bracki | how do i find out the details of my ext3 filesystem? blocksize etc... |
| 21:05.31 | h3sp4wn | en1gma: sun has a bug open about it (be fixed with java 7) |
| 21:05.37 | en1gma | thanks will read that |
| 21:05.42 | h3sp4wn | en1gma: adobe doesn't care |
| 21:05.46 | enouf | en1gma: no .. complain to them for not making 64bit versions and being behind the times |
| 21:06.03 | en1gma | damn them |
| 21:06.10 | en1gma | worse then nvidia and ati |
| 21:06.16 | MoDaX | en1gma: for flash there is unstable nspluginviewer |
| 21:06.17 | enouf | now you're getting it.. |
| 21:07.24 | en1gma | i see it listed in synaptic but not sure what im going to do |
| 21:07.24 | MoDaX | en1gma: and java is open source now. things will change soon |
| 21:07.24 | en1gma | i think i tried it before and it gave me some wierd results |
| 21:07.25 | en1gma | tried to set up apache or something |
| 21:07.26 | enouf | and guess what? ..everytime you visit sites that use that crap, you support them indirectly |
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| 21:07.47 | en1gma | well almost everysite in the world uses flash or java |
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| 21:07.54 | h3sp4wn | Lin: What version of madwifi ? (try 0.9.3.1 - anything older has security vulnerabilities anyway) |
| 21:07.55 | en1gma | i hate em but what can i do |
| 21:07.58 | enouf | not the ones i visit ;-) |
| 21:08.18 | Lin | h3sp4wn: ok.. I will check |
| 21:08.27 | MoDaX | en1gma: finally, there is a chroot |
| 21:08.44 | MoDaX | en1gma: and firefox from mozilla.com should work with ia32-libs |
| 21:08.48 | enouf | complain to the webmasters of such sites too .. |
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| 21:09.09 | enouf | just like you should to the ones that only support IE |
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| 21:09.37 | en1gma | MoDaX chroot? for what |
| 21:09.52 | en1gma | i never really used that command before |
| 21:09.55 | en1gma | i know what it does |
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| 21:09.58 | en1gma | change root |
| 21:09.59 | MoDaX | en1gma: for 32bit userspace |
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| 21:10.34 | en1gma | shiat looks like this could be a pain |
| 21:10.53 | MoDaX | en1gma: kind of. https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html |
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| 21:11.11 | en1gma | going to read it now thanks |
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| 21:11.31 | bzed | en1gma: I'm just using flash in opera |
| 21:11.37 | bzed | if I really need to have it |
| 21:11.51 | en1gma | so flash works with opera and not mozilla? |
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| 21:12.02 | bzed | yes, because opera is a 32bit app |
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| 21:12.18 | MoDaX | I don't miss flash usually either |
| 21:12.19 | bzed | adobe is working on a 64bit flash version for linux, but as it seems it'll still take a while |
| 21:12.24 | en1gma | there is both firefox 32 and 64 isnt there |
| 21:12.30 | bzed | most of the time flash is just annoying |
| 21:12.37 | MoDaX | they are working for 3-4 years now |
| 21:12.41 | Bracki | karsten: what about backup-manager? |
| 21:12.41 | en1gma | i hate both flash and java |
| 21:12.45 | bzed | en1gma: not in debian, but you could run the builds from mozilla.com |
| 21:12.52 | Vasistha | bzed: yeah, that's what F12>u is for :) |
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| 21:13.07 | en1gma | bzed i tried that but the plugin it creates dont seam to work with iceweasel |
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| 21:13.13 | en1gma | if i did it right |
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| 21:13.30 | en1gma | i just copied the plugin created from the build to the iceweasel plugin dir |
| 21:13.36 | hobot | hallo! Can anybody tell me what means "smp" in "kernel-image-2.6-686-smp" and whath diffirence with normal kernel image? |
| 21:13.58 | enouf | !smp |
| 21:13.59 | dpkg | well, smp is (Symmetric Multi Processing) This refers to a technology where a computer uses multiple processors to process different instructions at the same time, in separate processing units. It is a form of parallel computing. or Single Member Plurality, which is the Canadian electoral system., or rtfm! http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/SMP-HOWTO.html, or the right option for Hyperthreaded Pentium 4's, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symmetric_multiprocessing |
| 21:14.08 | bzed | Bracki: backup-manager rocks :) |
| 21:14.10 | enouf | hobot: ^^^ |
| 21:14.28 | MoDaX | en1gma: iceweasel is 64bit on machine, so 32bit (flash) plugin won't work. but you can use firefox (32bit) from mozilla.com |
| 21:14.36 | hobot | :) thnx $)) understood |
| 21:14.36 | MoDaX | on your* |
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| 21:15.00 | jgw2001 | What does fowk think of the autopackage system..... |
| 21:15.20 | en1gma | ohhh so thats prob why it didnt work |
| 21:15.29 | MoDaX | hobot: if >1 core, then smp |
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| 21:15.40 | Vasistha | hobot: I believe, though, that all of the debian stock 2.6.18+ kernels now have smp built in, and that the package is just a transition package |
| 21:15.54 | stew | Vasistha: yes, 2.6.17+ |
| 21:15.55 | Bracki | bzed: i take that as a recommendation... |
| 21:16.01 | enouf | they are Vasistha |
| 21:16.02 | stew | Vasistha: well except the -486 kernels |
| 21:16.03 | en1gma | well i also did this with a 32bit debian sid box...cause i wanted it updated to the newest java so i dloaded it and built it and then copied its plugin to the iceweasel plugins dir and it also didnt work |
| 21:16.14 | enouf | hrm .. right |
| 21:16.39 | enouf | !dbse |
| 21:16.39 | dpkg | i heard dbse is well; 'dbse' is Differences Between Sarge and Etch: what's New In Etch? see http://wiki.debian.org/NewInEtch. Etch is now Stable! (4.0r0) ; ask me about <Today> for more (be sure to check out the "errata" too). Etch errata/docs/images here http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ ..also see http://www.ducea.com/2006/10/10/debian-etch-kernels/ for some other major diffs betwen Sarge and Etch |
| 21:16.50 | en1gma | the newest java pkg avail is not current same with the plugin for iceweasel/firefox (on 32bit machines) |
| 21:16.51 | MoDaX | en1gma: are you aware of non-free java debian packages? |
| 21:17.06 | enouf | the last url might tell ya .. not sure how updated it is .. but it's pretty current |
| 21:17.09 | MoDaX | !info sun-java6-plugin |
| 21:17.10 | en1gma | i always add contrib and non-free to sources.list |
| 21:17.10 | dpkg | sun-java6-plugin: (The Java(TM) Plug-in, Java SE 6), section non-free/web, is optional. Version: 6-00-2 (sid), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 72 kB |
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| 21:17.14 | bzed | Bracki: I dunno which features the one in searge has, but etch's backup-manager really rocks. mainly because it's config file is sourced from a shell script, and I can configure all backup options on the fly as I need them |
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| 21:17.56 | bzed | MoDaX: there's no 64bit ajva plugin. |
| 21:18.02 | flyinprogramer | ok, i got vga working, now, is there a way to get my machine to shudown -h now, when i pust the power button? |
| 21:18.08 | flyinprogramer | *push |
| 21:18.15 | en1gma | that package must be brand new then cause i did it like 3 days ago and it wasnt avail....but thats not the point....the point is if you dload the latest java and build it yourself and copy the plugin from its dir to iceweasel plugin dir it didnt work |
| 21:18.17 | MoDaX | bzed: yes, but he was talking about i386 |
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| 21:18.33 | bzed | MoDaX: that's new to me ;) |
| 21:18.42 | bzed | en1gma: there's no java plugin for amd64 |
| 21:18.52 | en1gma | i386 box i was talking for that |
| 21:18.58 | bzed | ah |
| 21:19.01 | bzed | there is |
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| 21:20.00 | en1gma | amd64 too but someone just told me to get firefox 32bit which is most likely what i will do....what im saying is when you build your own java is it really supposed to work with the plugin it creates for firefox just by copying it to the firefox plugin dir |
| 21:20.06 | en1gma | i never got it to work |
| 21:20.42 | MoDaX | en1gma: you should create a symlink, iirc |
| 21:20.52 | en1gma | omg that was prob my problem |
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| 21:20.56 | en1gma | makes sence |
| 21:21.08 | en1gma | but iirc both java names were ssame |
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| 21:21.19 | en1gma | yea they were cause i overwrote it |
| 21:21.31 | en1gma | but still needs the symlink dont it |
| 21:21.37 | en1gma | damn (im stupid) |
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| 21:22.04 | MoDaX | en1gma: I guess it needs a symlink so it knows where java is installed |
| 21:23.09 | lontra | if i had to run windows xp or vista on debian ... which virtual machine program would you recommend? qemu, vmware, virtualbox, xen? i would like to use most the speedy virtual program |
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| 21:23.15 | en1gma | when you do the java update it creates its own dir i think it goes in /usr/lib im not sure...but each java version has its own dir....what im wondering does the java "updates" go inside the orig java6 dir |
| 21:23.25 | en1gma | or does it maintain its own dir |
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| 21:23.54 | en1gma | so thats what the symlink would need to point to prob |
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| 21:24.17 | MoDaX | lontra: qemu (not sure about vista support) |
| 21:24.31 | enouf | flyinprogramer: thank your BIOS settings ..lol |
| 21:24.34 | lontra | MoDaX, better than virtualbox? |
| 21:24.45 | MoDaX | lontra: for me at least |
| 21:24.54 | flyinprogramer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:25.29 | flyinprogramer | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:25.31 | enouf | flyinprogramer: oh.. then that allows the resume after shutdown .. yes? |
| 21:25.38 | enouf | right |
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| 21:25.48 | funky | hi |
| 21:25.49 | sander_m | Hello everyone. How come that ~/bin is not in $PATH? I see a snippet in ~/.bash_profile that is supposed to add it, but it doesn't. If I echo $PATH I get /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games. Thanks in advance. |
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| 21:26.14 | funky | does anyone know why I cant see in the applet list the news that I install? ie. hardware-monitor, netstatus-applet etc |
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| 21:26.20 | MoDaX | sander_m: uncomment it? |
| 21:26.22 | flyinprogramer | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:26.40 | enouf | flyinprogramer: heh .. that works |
| 21:26.46 | funky | hi |
| 21:26.49 | funky | ups |
| 21:26.50 | flyinprogramer | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:27.18 | cydork | sander_m: you are not running a login shell then |
| 21:27.19 | sander_m | MoDaX: It's uncommented. It's as if ~/.bash_profile isn't run when I log in. |
| 21:27.34 | enouf | flyinprogramer: well don;t be tpoo confident, theree's always the .5V trickle form it being plugged in .. |
| 21:28.10 | rgsteele | flyinprogramer: Perhaps invest in a cheap UPS-slash-surge-protector? :) |
| 21:28.32 | enouf | yep |
| 21:28.32 | sander_m | cydork: Can you explain? I use Debian desktop and log in through GDM. |
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| 21:28.47 | cydork | sander_m: are you running a gnome-terminal? |
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| 21:29.50 | lepine_h | how does one give a mortal user permissions to write to some mount point? |
| 21:29.51 | backz | I was compiled my postfix (with VDA), apt tell-me postfix need a update. How I LOCK these packages to protect apt-get replace it when I run upgrade? |
| 21:29.51 | sander_m | cydork: yes. But I want ~/bin added even if I run things from e.g. the menu or a launcher |
| 21:29.51 | MoDaX | sander_m: ~/.bashrc |
| 21:29.58 | MoDaX | ~/.bash_profile is for login shells |
| 21:30.26 | apt | ...but /.bash_profile is already something else... |
| 21:30.30 | sander_m | MoDaX: Thanks. I'll try it. |
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| 21:30.39 | enouf | heh |
| 21:30.49 | streuner | Don't use ~ |
| 21:30.49 | cydork | apt: shut up! |
| 21:31.11 | apt | get lost, jerkoff |
| 21:31.12 | streuner | its for apt (bot) |
| 21:31.15 | enouf | or start with a space |
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| 21:31.50 | enouf | %fist cydork |
| 21:31.55 | enouf | :-P |
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| 21:32.53 | sander_m | MoDaX: Thanks, that did it :-) |
| 21:32.58 | GNU\colossus | can someone please help me out with an apt repo that provides ntfs-3g for Debian Etch? |
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| 21:34.12 | sTb | "checking lex output file root... ./configure: line 3380: lex: command not found" on ./configure i already installed apt-get install flex but lex isnt found at http://packages.debian.org so anybody knows how the pkg´s name is pls? |
| 21:34.31 | MoDaX | !find lex |
| 21:34.33 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'lex' (15 of 47): alex ;; alexandria ;; cl-flexi-streams ;; cl-lexer ;; clex ;; festlex-cmu ;; festlex-ifd ;; festlex-oald ;; festlex-poslex ;; flex ;; flex-doc ;; flex-old ;; flex-old-doc ;; flexbackup ;; flexloader. |
| 21:34.46 | MoDaX | heh |
| 21:34.46 | sTb | i already know this MoDaX |
| 21:34.55 | MoDaX | !find /usr/bin/lex |
| 21:35.01 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '/usr/bin/lex' returned no results. |
| 21:35.07 | sTb | oO |
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| 21:35.52 | cydork | sTb: it's in flex ... /msg dpkg search |
| 21:36.33 | PingFloyd | hmm... could it be because it's called flex? |
| 21:36.45 | cydork | !lose PingFloyd |
| 21:36.45 | dpkg | PingFloyd: You Lose. |
| 21:36.55 | sTb | i have alredy done this cydork -_- i am not that stupid :> |
| 21:37.11 | luke-jr_work | why does dpkg -b want a DEBIAN directory instead of the usual 'debian'? |
| 21:37.12 | sTb | PingFloyd i already installed this pkg its still not working |
| 21:37.25 | cydork | sTb: is it in path? |
| 21:37.44 | MoDaX | sTb: which lex |
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| 21:38.15 | sTb | checking lex output file root... ./configure: line 3380: lex: command not found <-- php5 ./configure checking for flex... lex checking for yywrap in -ll... no |
| 21:38.15 | MoDaX | sTb: i mean run such command |
| 21:38.32 | sTb | MoDaX lex / flex isnt found |
| 21:38.59 | MoDaX | sTb: run `which lex` |
| 21:39.33 | sTb | nothing :> |
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| 21:39.33 | Cyorxamp | does anyone know what they are doing with poppassd? |
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| 21:39.37 | MoDaX | sTb: dpkg -l flex | grep ii |
| 21:39.48 | sTb | nothign |
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| 21:40.00 | MoDaX | sTb: install flex again |
| 21:40.01 | PingFloyd | then it's not installed |
| 21:40.02 | MoDaX | :) |
| 21:40.20 | sTb | yea i run apt-get install flex again i swear i just did this 10 minutes ago :) |
| 21:40.49 | sTb | thanks folks for you patience :> working now |
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| 21:41.05 | sTb | but the next configure make make install error is comming soon ;> |
| 21:41.10 | MoDaX | luke-jr_work: .deb has such format |
| 21:41.38 | MoDaX | sTb: apt-get build-dep php5 |
| 21:41.49 | MoDaX | or whatever you're bulding |
| 21:42.14 | sTb | MoDaX plesk is installed and if i do so its kicking out php4 of course... and its kicking out plesk as well :( |
| 21:42.42 | sTb | but i am not THAT geek to admin all my webstuff just over console :> pls forgive me :> |
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| 21:44.28 | dmlb2000 | anyone know if there's a pxeboot install for debian? I'm seeing the netinst iso but was looking for something a little smaller ;) |
| 21:44.39 | MoDaX | sTb: build php5 and reinstall php4 afterwards |
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| 21:45.34 | sTb | MoDaX if i run apt-get install libapache2-mod-php5 its kicking me out of course libapache2-mod-php4 AND all plesk stuff... but i want to keep the plesk stuff :( |
| 21:45.37 | kth`` | dmlb2000, there is |
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| 21:45.43 | JordiGH | I need to use the radeon driver, but I don't see it when I do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. It's there, since I can manually edit xorg.conf to put it there, but I'm kinda hoping that dpkg has a good idea of what config options it needs. Help? |
| 21:45.53 | enouf | hd-install, netboot |
| 21:46.05 | MoDaX | JordiGH: radeon==ati |
| 21:46.19 | enouf | dmlb2000: maybe http://hands.com/d-i/etch/docs/setup-PXE.html |
| 21:47.14 | JordiGH | MoDaX: Really? :-/ But I thought the free drivers have 3d support for this one... If they indeed do, it certainly doesn't look like it. |
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| 21:47.35 | enouf | man radeon has a list iirc |
| 21:47.45 | MoDaX | JordiGH: yes. glxinfo | grep direct |
| 21:48.05 | JordiGH | enouf: Yes, my card is in that list (actually, not there by the exact name, but I see it in the X logs). |
| 21:48.08 | enouf | 7500 and less only IINM .. the 9xxx series only do 2D iirc |
| 21:48.22 | enouf | whatcha got? |
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| 21:48.54 | sTb | next stufff :D checking whether to enable DBA... no checking for QDBM support... no |
| 21:49.08 | MoDaX | enouf: 3d for r200/300 is supported too |
| 21:49.10 | JordiGH | enouf: radeon mobility m6. The radeon driver supports it. It's a "subdriver" of ati, whatever that is. I don't have the computer right here with me, but the ati driver didn't look too good. Also, I don't know what options it should have. :-( |
| 21:49.31 | stew | at least up to 9600 does 3d |
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| 21:49.42 | JordiGH | So what's m6? 6000? |
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| 21:49.49 | MoDaX | x700 too (kind of slow, but still) |
| 21:50.03 | JordiGH | Stupid chipset names... |
| 21:50.09 | eldowon | JordiGH: mobility? laptop is my guess |
| 21:50.10 | enouf | okie |
| 21:50.18 | JordiGH | eldowon: Yes, that's right. |
| 21:50.18 | ion_bidon | hello; how do I change my unix account informations ? (name, mail, etc..) |
| 21:50.33 | stew | JordiGH: the only place M6 shows up in "man radeon" is "RV100 Radeon 7000(VE), M6", which means it would have 3d support |
| 21:50.55 | ion_bidon | s/unix/gnu linux/ |
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| 21:51.03 | MoDaX | yes, it's 7000 |
| 21:51.04 | JordiGH | ion_bidon: If you're not afraid to use a GUI, both Gnome and KDE have obvious interfaces to do so (Kuser in KDE, and the obvious config location in Gnome). |
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| 21:51.37 | stew | ion_bidon: man chfn |
| 21:51.47 | ion_bidon | JordiGH: thanks, but I have to do this on a distant machine; |
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| 21:51.52 | JordiGH | MoDaX: So the "3d support" that I saw is the best I can aspire to? The fglrx blob doesn't have this one. |
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| 21:52.00 | JordiGH | ion_bidon: Do X forwarding, then. :P |
| 21:52.00 | ion_bidon | stew: thanks :) |
| 21:52.12 | ion_bidon | JordiGH: :) |
| 21:52.29 | MoDaX | JordiGH: yes, if dri is setup properly. check with glxinfo | grep direct |
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| 21:52.50 | ion_bidon | stew: I got permission denied; seems I don't have the right to change my name right ? |
| 21:52.51 | JordiGH | Is it true that back in ye olden days unencrypted X forwarding was much faster and even feasible over the internet? |
| 21:53.02 | MoDaX | ion_bidon: root only |
| 21:53.07 | ion_bidon | MoDaX: okay |
| 21:53.29 | MoDaX | JordiGH: there was no internet :) |
| 21:53.59 | MoDaX | X dates back to 1980 iirc |
| 21:54.08 | JordiGH | There was an internet. |
| 21:54.16 | JordiGH | Arpanet is from the 60's. :-) |
| 21:54.27 | keith80403 | 80's - spam didn't exist. |
| 21:54.42 | gpm | is it practical to apt-get dist-upgrade every day on lenny? |
| 21:54.51 | stew | JordiGH: friends of mine used this fact to get accounts on machines all over arpanet when i was in college |
| 21:54.51 | keith80403 | 90's - people asked politely not to receive spam.... |
| 21:54.56 | JordiGH | It's just that I've heard some old timers remember how X forwarding was fast even over distant connections... |
| 21:55.05 | keith80403 | 2007 - 91% of email is spam...where are we heading...? |
| 21:55.20 | JordiGH | gpm: It is. About 10-50 meg download every day, I'd say. |
| 21:55.43 | gpm | sweet |
| 21:55.53 | JordiGH | keith80403: Did you get the 91% with the Rectal Extraction Method? |
| 21:55.53 | MoDaX | keith80403: no email? :) |
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| 21:55.56 | gpm | so it really is everything after it's sat in sid for a couple of weeks |
| 21:56.14 | keith80403 | JordiGH, ROFL. |
| 21:56.26 | keith80403 | MoDaX, Almost no email, but lotsa spam (-: |
| 21:57.42 | kchrist | hi. I've run into problems installing nginx via apt-get. I am now unable to remove it. Apt is reporting "dpkg: error processing nginx (--remove): subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1" |
| 21:57.42 | kchrist | the package seems to be installed correctly -- it's running, anyway -- but trying to remove it fails. |
| 21:57.42 | kchrist | where should I look for a cause for this? |
| 21:57.42 | gpm | kchrist: are you on unstable? |
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| 21:57.43 | JordiGH | stew: What did they use? Listened on unencrypted X sessions to get passwords? |
| 21:57.43 | MoDaX | kchrist: rm /var/lib/dpkg/infonginx.prerm |
| 21:57.43 | troytroy | !dpkg svn |
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| 21:57.43 | MoDaX | kchrist: I meant 'rm /var/lib/dpkg/info/infonginx.prerm' |
| 21:57.44 | PR006 | hi all |
| 21:57.44 | MoDaX | ech, still wrong |
| 21:57.45 | kchrist | ubuntu, actually |
| 21:57.45 | MoDaX | kchrist: rm /var/lib/dpkg/info/info/nginx.prerm |
| 21:57.46 | stew | JordiGH: yeah, listened to machines that were xhost+ for keystrokes, if they saw "ftp" or "telent" they saved all the subsequent keypresses until they saw an enter key |
| 21:57.46 | JordiGH | !ubuntu |
| 21:57.46 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 21:58.02 | gpm | yeah, you *really* have to ask in ubuntu |
| 21:58.12 | gpm | especially since it's a problem with the packaging |
| 21:58.14 | MoDaX | I give up. I can't type anything right today |
| 21:58.16 | gpm | and their packages aren't the same |
| 21:58.22 | kchrist | yeah, sorry about that. #ubuntu is really noisy and as I've since dpkg is debian I was hoping to find some tips here. |
| 21:58.25 | kchrist | sorry about that |
| 21:58.29 | PR006 | i can't find a LUFS in debian. Who knows why? |
| 21:58.30 | JordiGH | stew: Aaahh.... telnet. I have false nostalgia, especially after reading The Cuckoo's Egg. |
| 21:58.34 | gpm | kchrist: np |
| 21:58.44 | formorer | PR006: is is obsoleted by fuse |
| 21:58.47 | formorer | eh it |
| 21:58.49 | PR006 | ah, ok |
| 21:58.56 | troytroy | !dpkg subversion |
| 21:58.56 | JordiGH | C++ has a bot factoid about other channels being nosy not an excuse to come and ask here. |
| 21:59.05 | JordiGH | !subversion |
| 21:59.05 | dpkg | well, subversion is a compelling replacement for CVS, or available at http://subversion.tigris.org/ read the book: http://svnbook.red-bean.com/, or it adds: atomic commits and file renaming/copying, very tight network protocol. at #svn |
| 21:59.09 | PR006 | and what's the name of fuse-ftp ? |
| 21:59.10 | gpm | kchrist: just keep at it. eventually someone will know. you can also check out ubuntu's bug system |
| 21:59.11 | formorer | PR006: if you mean the filesystem in userspace |
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| 21:59.20 | dkr | kchrist: also, the wiki |
| 21:59.33 | formorer | PR006: curlftpfs - filesystem to access FTP hosts based on FUSE and cURL |
| 21:59.34 | gpm | well, i doubt the wiki'd help in this case |
| 21:59.39 | gpm | but in general it's a great resource, yes |
| 21:59.40 | troytroy | JordiGH thanks :) |
| 21:59.42 | PR006 | formorer, i have to mount a ftp dir in my fs |
| 21:59.52 | JordiGH | troytroy: np |
| 21:59.55 | MoDaX | kchrist: remove the file /var/lib/dpkg/info/nginx.prerm and try again |
| 22:00.15 | kchrist | got it. removing /var/lib/dpkg/info/nginx.prerm fixed it. |
| 22:00.19 | gpm | MoDaX: is that method kosher? |
| 22:00.21 | gpm | just curious |
| 22:00.26 | kchrist | I knew it was something like that. thanks. |
| 22:00.26 | gpm | not trying to bug |
| 22:00.38 | PR006 | formorer, thanx for this hint, i will try it. |
| 22:00.43 | troytroy | !chilli |
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| 22:01.00 | JordiGH | !nickometer PR006 |
| 22:01.01 | dpkg | 'PR006' is 98.930% lame, jordigh |
| 22:01.04 | MoDaX | gpm: quick&dirty workaround |
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| 22:01.06 | JordiGH | You win! |
| 22:01.24 | stew | !nickmeter JordiGH |
| 22:01.24 | dpkg | JordiGH is 100% lame with a cherry on top! |
| 22:01.24 | troytroy | !chillispot |
| 22:01.25 | JordiGH | PR006: ^^ |
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| 22:01.41 | PR006 | dpkg, what's the problem with my name? |
| 22:01.42 | JordiGH | Hey, that nickometer is rigged! |
| 22:01.43 | MoDaX | PR006: apt-cache search fuse ftp |
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| 22:02.01 | PR006 | MoDaX, thanks, already installed ;-) |
| 22:02.25 | karsten | Vasistha: The one that gets me is how KDE is all about single-click actions and feedback, while gnome needs two clicks but gives no feedback, so you're either single-clicking and seeign nothing or double-clickigng and getting two of everything. |
| 22:02.27 | PR006 | dpkg, you knows "elephants dream"? |
| 22:02.34 | troytroy | !wlogin |
| 22:02.41 | JordiGH | stew: What was the command to apply a Perl expression to bot factoid? |
| 22:02.52 | JordiGH | !elephant's dream |
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| 22:03.24 | stew | JordiGH: dpkg: foo =~ s/from/to/ ; / # , are the 3 acceptable delimiters |
| 22:03.39 | stew | [/#,] that is |
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| 22:04.10 | JordiGH | dpkg, elephant's dream is a promotional short of 3d computer animation done with Blender and almost completely free software. See <blender>. |
| 22:04.10 | dpkg | JordiGH: okay |
| 22:04.22 | Southern | reps |
| 22:05.17 | JordiGH | dpkg, elephant's dream =~ s#short#short film#g |
| 22:05.17 | dpkg | JordiGH: OK |
| 22:05.22 | JordiGH | w00t |
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| 22:05.29 | morvok | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda will zero the whole drive no? |
| 22:05.53 | MoDaX | morvok: yes |
| 22:05.54 | JordiGH | morvok: Yeah, but shred is probably better if that's what you really want to do. |
| 22:05.54 | PR006 | i never tryed... |
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| 22:06.27 | morvok | jordiGH: in the debian installation shell.. shred I don't think is an option :) |
| 22:06.53 | JordiGH | morvok: Then again, the only safe way to destroy the data is to destroy the medium. If you're a spook and want to prevent other spooks to read your hard drive, you send it away to a special division and they give you back a metal lump with the serial number attached to it. |
| 22:07.19 | JordiGH | morvok: It isn't? From a busybox? It's amazing the amount of crap they manage to stuff in there. |
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| 22:08.27 | stew | morvok: "cp /dev/zero /dev/hda" would do the same and possibly be faster |
| 22:09.00 | JordiGH | But why would you go through that effort? Just delete the partition information. |
| 22:09.09 | JordiGH | Or maybe it's not effort. Never mind. |
| 22:09.17 | morvok | jordigh: can't find a better option than wiping the drive clean, trying to re-install debian etch is giving alot of problems with the bootloader installation and what not becuase of the previous raid and lvms.. (can't get ride of them cleanly for new install |
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| 22:09.49 | bpun | hi, anyone knows of a disk manager that can tell me the type of partition table exists on the mbr? (eg: acorn, dos-compatible, etc..) |
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| 22:10.44 | karsten | morvok: ayup. |
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| 22:11.00 | karsten | bpun: The mbr isn't a partition, it's a master boot record. |
| 22:11.05 | PR006 | bpun, afair parted can tell you |
| 22:11.20 | Bogus8 | anyone here use xdrive.com? any way to make automated backups to that from the commandline (cron)? |
| 22:11.25 | karsten | bpun: However, you can use PR006's suggestion to guestimate partition types. |
| 22:11.40 | morvok | Karsten: so I am on the right tack here? |
| 22:11.40 | stew | morvok: in that case "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda count=1" would just zero out the first sector, which contains the partition table, which should be enough |
| 22:12.07 | karsten | morvok: If your tiller's to the left, yes, but it's "starboard". |
| 22:12.12 | PR006 | stew, is bs= default? |
| 22:12.27 | JordiGH | or fdisk from a busybox should also be able to delete the partition table... |
| 22:12.28 | PR006 | stew, i meant:bs=512 |
| 22:12.32 | MoDaX | stew: I believe 440-512 contains partition table (DOS) |
| 22:12.36 | karsten | PR006: IIRC bs == 1024 by default. |
| 22:12.53 | stew | PR006: yes |
| 22:12.54 | PR006 | ok, this is enough |
| 22:12.57 | stew | MoDaX: yes |
| 22:13.10 | morvok | stew: I used dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1... still didn't seem to take care of the problem. |
| 22:13.18 | zOap | how do I release my alsa audio card? something is "holding" it... |
| 22:13.37 | karsten | PR006: dd if=/dev/zero of=/tmp/foo count=1: 512 bytes (512 B) copied, 8.6604e-05 seconds, 5.9 MB/s |
| 22:13.42 | stew | zOap: "fuser /dev/dsp /dev/mixer /dev/snd/*" should give you the pid of the program using it |
| 22:13.45 | karsten | PR006: So yes, 512 bytes default blocksize. |
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| 22:13.50 | JordiGH | z0ap: Probably artsd or less frequently essd. |
| 22:13.55 | zOap | stew, thanks |
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| 22:14.32 | stew | !what is using my soundcard is run "fuser /dev/dsp /dev/mixer /dev/snd/*" to get the pid of the process using your sound card |
| 22:14.33 | dpkg | stew: what are you talking about? |
| 22:14.36 | bpun | MoDaX, you know of any tool that would mention what type of 'partition table' on the drive? |
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| 22:14.41 | stew | bah |
| 22:14.54 | JordiGH | Hehehe... |
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| 22:15.25 | bzed | !what's using my soundcard is run "fuser /dev/dsp /dev/mixer /dev/snd/*" to get the pid of the process using your sound card |
| 22:15.27 | dpkg | bzed: I think you lost me on that one |
| 22:15.29 | zOap | stew, return nothign |
| 22:15.40 | bzed | dpkg, fuhk yoo. |
| 22:16.11 | PR006 | bpun, i think, un x86 is only one type of partition table possible |
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| 22:16.28 | zOap | stew, sorry. got it |
| 22:16.35 | bpun | PR006, who's talking about x86? |
| 22:16.42 | PR006 | me? |
| 22:17.00 | bpun | PR006, you assume too much ;) |
| 22:17.12 | JordiGH | dpkg, "what's using my soundcard" is run "fuser /dev/dsp /dev/mixer /dev/snd/*" to get the pid of the process using your sound card |
| 22:17.12 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, JordiGH |
| 22:17.26 | PR006 | bpun, i think, you are right |
| 22:17.39 | PR006 | bpun, i have no expierience in ohter arch's |
| 22:17.47 | solemnwarning | Is there a script I can use with cron to get an email when there are updated packages available? |
| 22:17.53 | JordiGH | If we work together as a team, we will conquer dpkg. |
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| 22:18.03 | solemnwarning | I've got MAILTO set in cron, so printing to stdout is fine |
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| 22:18.19 | bpun | PR006, partition tables aren't standard.. so it doesn't really matter where there's a dos-compatible partition.. |
| 22:18.29 | bpun | PR006, persay partition table.. |
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| 22:19.27 | putridp | is video4linux still the way to get images from a usb webcam? |
| 22:20.33 | nhuisman_work | do deb packages have some description that I can view via dpkg or aptitude? |
| 22:20.44 | stew | nhuisman_work: yes, apt-cache show packagename |
| 22:20.58 | nhuisman_work | trying to figure out what the difference between rt3.6-apache2 and request-tracker3.6 is |
| 22:21.02 | bpun | nhuisman_work, apt-cache showpkg/show |
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| 22:21.41 | nhuisman_work | ahhh |
| 22:21.49 | nhuisman_work | the former is just a set of config files. |
| 22:22.00 | MoDaX | nhuisman_work: or dpkg-deb -I package.deb |
| 22:22.11 | bpun | nhuisman_work, info is also shown in their change logs or readmes under /usr/share/doc (see dpkg -Ll <packagename> for hints on manpages).. |
| 22:22.47 | nhuisman_work | show with apt-cache did the trick, thx |
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| 22:22.55 | JordiGH | How can you read changelogs? I usually ask aptitude to fetch them for me. |
| 22:22.57 | nhuisman_work | i love how many packages there are in the stable tree |
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| 22:23.24 | nhuisman_work | r rh in the a |
| 22:23.25 | JordiGH | nhuisman_work: Every worthwhile piece of free software for GNU/Linux is in Debian, or at least it should be. :-) |
| 22:23.26 | MoDaX | JordiGH: zless /usr/share/doc/<package>/changelog.Debian.gz |
| 22:23.32 | nhuisman_work | r=f |
| 22:23.40 | JordiGH | MoDaX: No, I mean, for packages I haven't installed yet. |
| 22:23.53 | MoDaX | JordiGH: packages.debian.org or aptitude |
| 22:24.27 | JordiGH | MoDaX: Right. Aptitude is what I use already. It'd be nice if apt-cache could do it too, but it's only for the local cache... Hrm. |
| 22:25.09 | MoDaX | JordiGH: yes |
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| 22:25.33 | ghatak | Does anyone know of a good desktop Wiki ? something which is light and works like a Wiki ? |
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| 22:26.26 | nhuisman_work | ghatak, trying to remember this one I know of |
| 22:26.35 | maxamillion | ghatak: Zim Desktop Wiki |
| 22:26.35 | JordiGH | ghatak: Is mediawiki not light enough for you? |
| 22:26.44 | nhuisman_work | this one was one file. |
| 22:26.57 | maxamillion | ghatak: http://pardus-larus.student.utwente.nl/~pardus/projects/zim/ <---its in the repos too |
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| 22:28.15 | madclicker | hi, i am trying to fo an fsck on a file system that i just unmounted but keep getting "Device or resource busy while trying to open /dev/md5" |
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| 22:28.19 | nhuisman_work | ghatak, http://www.wikimatrix.org/show/TiddlyWiki |
| 22:28.53 | ghatak | yea i have heard of zim too, I wonder if it can be accessed remotely..... |
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| 22:29.07 | MoDaX | madclicker: fuser -m /dev/md5 |
| 22:29.13 | nhuisman_work | ghatak, tiddlywiki is super simple, you can keep it on your local drive or put it on a webserver. |
| 22:29.20 | PR006 | who has the BadBunny presentation? Pleas send it to me ;-) |
| 22:29.22 | nhuisman_work | uses text files for storage so you don't need anything. |
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| 22:29.38 | nhuisman_work | no serverside stuff needed |
| 22:29.58 | ghatak | nhuisman_work: kewl, sounds great |
| 22:32.00 | nhuisman_work | http://tiddlyspot.com/ |
| 22:32.00 | madclicker | MoDaX, there is a bunch of things |
| 22:32.07 | nhuisman_work | provides free tiddlywiki instances. |
| 22:32.08 | PR006 | noone knows BadBunny? |
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| 22:32.37 | MoDaX | madclicker: kill them |
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| 22:33.59 | PR006 | !BadBunny |
| 22:34.09 | madclicker | MoDaX, :) thanks, it was my terminal sesion |
| 22:34.31 | MoDaX | madclicker: :) |
| 22:34.59 | krifur | hello, what is the file to change to have some software launch after kdm (like firefox, ,thunderbird?) |
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| 22:35.37 | MoDaX | krifur: put scripts/symlinks to ~/.kde/Autostart/ |
| 22:35.41 | JordiGH | krifir: Use KDE 's session manger. |
| 22:36.35 | madclicker | is there such thing us "defrag" ext3? |
| 22:36.49 | JordiGH | madclicker: There is, but it's hardly ever necessary. |
| 22:37.04 | krifur | ok so just a symlinks of firefox in this repertory ok, but now i have a console launch automtically and i don t know where is the corresponding file |
| 22:37.06 | PR006 | i propose: move the data to a new partition ;-) |
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| 22:37.12 | JordiGH | !info defrag |
| 22:37.13 | dpkg | defrag: (ext2, minix and xiafs filesystem defragmenter), section admin, is extra. Version: 0.73pjm1-8 (sid), Packaged size: 69 kB, Installed size: 208 kB |
| 22:37.18 | madclicker | JordiGH, "(32.5% non-contiguous)" |
| 22:37.36 | JordiGH | Well, there ya go. ^ |
| 22:37.44 | JordiGH | krifur: You mean konsole? |
| 22:37.59 | krifur | JohnDoh: yes |
| 22:38.00 | PR006 | !info BadBunny |
| 22:38.05 | krifur | oups sry |
| 22:38.10 | krifur | JordiGH: yes |
| 22:38.19 | JordiGH | Who is reporting 32.5% non-contiguous on ext3? |
| 22:38.23 | JordiGH | madclicker: ^^ |
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| 22:38.43 | krifur | JordiGH: a Konsole is lauched automatically and i dunno where is the file who did that ? |
| 22:38.48 | PR006 | krifur, hehe ;-) a mis<Tab> |
| 22:38.49 | JordiGH | krifur: So add a konsole symlink to Autostart. But the KDE way to do it is to use its session manager. |
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| 22:39.30 | madclicker | JordiGH, only for Sid :( |
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| 22:39.35 | krifur | JordiGH: the Konsole is already launched i dont put anything in the Autostart repertory |
| 22:39.41 | PR006 | krifur, i use Yakuake. this is with autostart |
| 22:40.07 | PR006 | it's Konsole in Quake Console style |
| 22:40.28 | JordiGH | krifur: It's probably restoring your previous KDE session. Control centre -> KDE components -> session manager, play around. |
| 22:40.34 | krifur | PR006: yeah but i thinks there is just a simple file to edit but i don t remember it name |
| 22:40.39 | JordiGH | madclicker: So who is telling you that you need to defrag your ext3? |
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| 22:40.52 | krifur | JordiGH: ok i m going to check that , thx |
| 22:41.21 | PR006 | krifur, maybe its a session restore |
| 22:41.52 | JordiGH | madclicker: http://linuxfromscratch.org/pipermail/blfs-support/2003-February/036047.html |
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| 22:42.59 | moth_ | prototypical alioth shootout benchmark: implement 32 bit unsigned binary addition without using any arithmetic primitives. Use this to sum numbers 1..N |
| 22:43.08 | krifur | PR006: hum strange i frequently reboot with a lot of applications still working and every time i restar i have juste the Konsole(in fact a Konsole with 3 prompt and i remenber i set it myslef, but where ??) |
| 22:43.11 | PR006 | krifur, on kde startup all my last time opened application will be started again, includig konsole, if open last session |
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| 22:43.24 | krifur | PR006: ^^ |
| 22:44.03 | troytroy | !dpkg rpm -ql |
| 22:44.19 | JordiGH | krifur: It might be in your .xsession file, if you have one... |
| 22:44.20 | PR006 | it opens konqueror with all the tabs and the right Page positions again |
| 22:44.31 | MoDaX | krifur: control center -> kde components -> session manager |
| 22:44.55 | JordiGH | MoDaX: I already suggested that. Apparently it's not there. |
| 22:45.17 | MoDaX | JordiGH: what's not there? |
| 22:45.42 | PR006 | no session restore |
| 22:45.47 | troytroy | what is the equivalent of debian command syntax for listing files contained in a pkg |
| 22:45.50 | PR006 | on KDE |
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| 22:46.02 | troytroy | eg on redhat i use rpm -ql |
| 22:46.12 | \amethyst | troytroy: dpkg -L |
| 22:46.19 | JordiGH | MoDaX: The Konsole thing. |
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| 22:46.46 | JordiGH | I was brought up on Debian. |
| 22:47.00 | troytroy | \amethyst cant i use apt ? |
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| 22:47.04 | MoDaX | krifur: i'm about "restore previous session" |
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| 22:48.51 | \amethyst | troytroy: Oh, you mean a not-installed package? |
| 22:48.52 | twobitsprite | why is it, whenever I try to close a tab, or hit the back button in firefox when a youtube video is loaded, iceweasel just freezes? |
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| 22:48.52 | joakim | ehh |
| 22:48.52 | twobitsprite | has anyone else had this problem? |
| 22:48.52 | joakim | you run firefox and iceweasel, both at the same time?! |
| 22:48.52 | joakim | why do you do such a thing |
| 22:48.53 | twobitsprite | joakim: s/firefox/iceweasel |
| 22:48.53 | krifur | I have a .xession but nothing speaking about launching programs, but i have a rest of .mrxvt (i m not use this term anymore and ithere is a line telling to laucn 3 prompt like i have with Konsole: mrxvt*initTermNumber: 3 strange not ? |
| 22:48.53 | joakim | just a 'typo' then= |
| 22:48.54 | joakim | ?* |
| 22:48.55 | twobitsprite | yes |
| 22:49.05 | misreckoning | wols_: GUI written for pygtk ;) |
| 22:49.24 | troytroy | hmm is it advisable to install the version of chillispot in repo or download from their site |
| 22:49.33 | twobitsprite | I have one window of iceweasel open, and if a youtube video is loaded, whenever I try to leave that page by either closing the tab, or pressing back, then it freezes |
| 22:49.37 | JordiGH | twobitsprite: Iceweasel, unfortunately, sucks. But the non-free flash plugin sucks even more. Lots of people report similar problems with the combination. |
| 22:50.04 | JordiGH | twobitsprite: There's hope that once gnash can do flv that these problems will get better. But not yet. |
| 22:50.04 | nn-main | someone suggest a good linux comunity CMS for linuxmain.net? |
| 22:50.08 | krifur | twobitsprite: i have this bug too, and other people too |
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| 22:50.29 | PR006 | nn-main, maybe a wiki is ok too? |
| 22:50.44 | twobitsprite | what are my options? or do I just have to expect to kill -9 iceweasel whenever I want to watch youtube? |
| 22:50.57 | \amethyst | troytroy: you use dpkg -L for a package that's already installed. There's no way to tell what's in a package without fetching it (or going to packages.debian.org) |
| 22:50.58 | JordiGH | twobitsprite: Or don't hit back. ;-) |
| 22:51.13 | nn-main | PR006: I need other things as well like forems |
| 22:51.34 | PR006 | nn-main, ok, Drupal is what you need |
| 22:51.51 | JordiGH | troytroy: It's always advisable to use the Debian binary unless you have special needs. |
| 22:52.15 | JordiGH | twobitsprite: Or lobby youtube for a free format. Or Adobe to open up the Flash standard. Or help GNU finish Gnash. |
| 22:52.26 | PR006 | http://drupal.org/about |
| 22:52.36 | nn-main | kk thanks |
| 22:52.37 | twobitsprite | JordiGH: what are the options for free formats? |
| 22:52.49 | twobitsprite | JordiGH: (just so I know what to lobby youtube about..) |
| 22:53.26 | putridp | This is a bit weird. I'm installing etch package 'webcam' with aptitude and it needs 'ssh' as a dependancy... but I already have an ssh server and client installed. Anyone know what that's about? |
| 22:53.54 | JordiGH | twobitsprite: Ogg seems to be as free as it gets. It's widely supported, but it's not widely used. It's also currently not possible to embed Ogg movies in webpages, I don't think. |
| 22:54.29 | JordiGH | twobitsprite: Right now, what the gnash people are doing is basically reverse engineering Flash, last I heard. This is naturally difficult and slow. |
| 22:54.32 | twobitsprite | JordiGH: so, I really can't tell youtube "stop using flash, instead use... uhh... idunno, smoething else!!11" |
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| 22:54.44 | MoDaX | putridp: ssh is just a recommendation |
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| 22:55.08 | JordiGH | twobitsprite: You could tell them "instead, tell your daddy Google to invest money in embedding Ogg!" :-) |
| 22:55.15 | twobitsprite | heh |
| 22:55.46 | \amethyst | putridp: ssh is an old dependency, from before ssh was split into openssh-client and openssh-server---now it's just a transitional package |
| 22:55.59 | twobitsprite | we just need to abolish the web and develop sane protocols and standards |
| 22:56.10 | \amethyst | putridp: you can either install it (it's only 32k) or fake it with equivs |
| 22:56.22 | \amethyst | putridp: or ignore it since it's just a recommendation |
| 22:56.27 | MoDaX | twobitsprite: w3 stuff is ok |
| 22:56.36 | twobitsprite | MoDaX: it was ok 20 years ago... |
| 22:56.47 | putridp | \amethyst: okay, thanks :) |
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| 22:56.51 | twobitsprite | MoDaX: the web has evolved far beyond the scope of the original standards |
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| 22:57.40 | twobitsprite | MoDaX: just look at how ugly the whole AJAX thing is... it's just one big god-awful work around of the limitations of http and html |
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| 22:58.51 | twobitsprite | </rant> anyways, thanks |
| 22:59.43 | JordiGH | AJAX... like Gmail? let's get started on that one too: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/1195 |
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| 23:00.25 | twobitsprite | hmm.. either that site is slow or down... |
| 23:00.26 | epp | im running sarge, it says i need GLIBC 2.4, where do i get this? |
| 23:00.28 | twobitsprite | n/m |
| 23:00.43 | \amethyst | epp: what says you need glibc 2.4? |
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| 23:01.16 | epp | \amethyst: mangos |
| 23:01.25 | epp | \amethyst: can i not get that on sarge? |
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| 23:02.52 | helo | jigdo non-us mirror? |
| 23:03.05 | MoDaX | !non-us |
| 23:03.05 | dpkg | i guess non-us is where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2005/05/msg01355.html |
| 23:03.27 | helo | does jigdo only need "http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US"? |
| 23:03.36 | troytroy | anybody know of irc server and channel i can find chillispot community support on? |
| 23:04.06 | MoDaX | helo: you don't need non-us for anything |
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| 23:04.47 | helo | MoDaX: why is it a default question if nobody needs it for anything? |
| 23:05.02 | centrx | it used to be more important |
| 23:05.03 | helo | not to be difficult :P |
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| 23:05.11 | MoDaX | helo: ignore |
| 23:05.14 | MoDaX | :) |
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| 23:06.18 | n3kl | Hi. I am looking to install debian on a system that does not have a cdrom in it. Is it possible to bootstrap a machine from a usb disk? Is there a better way to get a machine on the network without a cd drive? |
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| 23:06.19 | centrx | does ith ave floppy? |
| 23:06.31 | flyinprogramer | n3kl does it have an operating system on it right now?? like windows? |
| 23:06.44 | n3kl | centrx: it could, I have a usb one that I could boot from. Is there a floppy image I need to know about? |
| 23:06.50 | n3kl | flyinprogramer: no |
| 23:06.55 | flyinprogramer | bummer |
| 23:07.15 | centrx | n3kl, you can install with 5 floppy disks |
| 23:07.17 | centrx | probably less |
| 23:07.25 | centrx | there's probably a usb drive image too somewhere |
| 23:07.26 | n3kl | yeah, just hardware. But I am all out of drives. |
| 23:07.42 | JordiGH | n3kl: http://www.goodbye-windows.com |
| 23:07.52 | JordiGH | n3kl: Oh, never mind.. |
| 23:08.01 | flyinprogramer | yeah |
| 23:08.07 | flyinprogramer | that's what i was thinking |
| 23:08.19 | n3kl | It would be nice to take the debian installer iso and 'burn' it to a flash drive, er something. |
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| 23:08.39 | \amethyst | n3kl: that won't make it bootable unfortunately |
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| 23:08.54 | \amethyst | n3kl: you could get Linux to read it probably but not the BIOS |
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| 23:09.25 | NefariousPrior | How do I find out what resolution X is currently running at? |
| 23:09.31 | n3kl | there has to be a way to do this. What about a fully functional debian installation on a flash drive, boot the flash, and bootstrap the hd... |
| 23:09.46 | n3kl | though, I don't know how exactly the bootstrap process works |
| 23:09.49 | centrx | why wouldn't he floppy's work? |
| 23:09.50 | MoDaX | NefariousPrior: xrandr |
| 23:10.03 | epp | where can i get GLIBC 2.4 for sarge? |
| 23:10.05 | \amethyst | NefariousPrior: xdpyinfo | grep dimensions |
| 23:10.06 | NefariousPrior | MoDaX: thanks |
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| 23:10.14 | \amethyst | NefariousPrior: or xrandr, yeah |
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| 23:10.45 | MoDaX | epp: even etch doesn't ship with it |
| 23:10.58 | centrx | n3kl, oh rtfm http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch05.html.en |
| 23:11.00 | MoDaX | epp: why do you need it? |
| 23:11.11 | stew | epp: sarge has 2.2, etch has 2.3, you'd have to move to debian testing aka lenny |
| 23:11.39 | \amethyst | stew: testing is on 2.3 atm |
| 23:11.47 | \amethyst | sid has 2.5 |
| 23:11.49 | n3kl | centrx: dope shit, thanks! figures it would be in the manual =] |
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| 23:11.52 | epp | stew: well thats not possible, because im runing it on my xbox and sarge is the only one avaliable. |
| 23:11.53 | stew | or right |
| 23:12.00 | MoDaX | !info libc6 sarge |
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| 23:12.04 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge6 (sarge), Packaged size: 4771 kB, Installed size: 15320 kB |
| 23:12.11 | stew | i was wrong all over the place |
| 23:12.52 | stew | i've been staring at this bad php code so long that its all starting to blur |
| 23:12.54 | \amethyst | epp: You could theoretically set up a sid chroot |
| 23:13.27 | epp | \amethyst: tell me more |
| 23:14.17 | \amethyst | epp: look for debootstrap |
| 23:14.17 | \amethyst | epp: or cdebootstrap |
| 23:14.17 | epp | \amethyst: i dont want to mess with this, its customized for xbox. |
| 23:14.28 | \amethyst | epp: You do this in a subdirectory |
| 23:14.50 | \amethyst | epp: then when you want to run sid software, you either fiddle with the LD_LIBRARY_PATH, or chroot into that directory |
| 23:14.56 | MoDaX | epp: glibc is a MAJOR upgrade |
| 23:15.04 | epp | MoDaX: bummer. |
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| 23:16.38 | JordiGH | What was the world like before Debian? According to this, the world didn't even really exist before Debian: http://content.zdnet.com/2347-12554_22-66818-66819.html?seq=1 |
| 23:17.07 | JordiGH | What the hell are those distros that Murdock talks about in the manifesto? |
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| 23:18.09 | nitro4ce | is it possible to convert my disk (ext3) to ext4? |
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| 23:18.41 | stew | where is yggsdrasil |
| 23:19.00 | JordiGH | ext4 is out? |
| 23:19.27 | nitro4ce | stew: it was included in version 2.6.19 of the Linux kernel |
| 23:19.43 | nitro4ce | sorry JordiGH i meant |
| 23:19.53 | stew | yggsdrasil didn't have a 2.0 kernel :) |
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| 23:20.26 | JordiGH | Oh, yggsdrasil is a distro, not a person? :P |
| 23:20.28 | \amethyst | yggdrasil's line is extinct, isn't it? |
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| 23:21.21 | nitro4ce | so can i do that? |
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| 23:21.39 | PR006 | bye all |
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| 23:21.55 | nitro4ce | bye PR006 |
| 23:23.50 | \amethyst | nitro4ce: as far as I know you just need to mount the old partition as type ext4dev. If you use -o extents as well, it will be irrevocably upgraded |
| 23:24.01 | \amethyst | nitro4ce: I haven't used ext4 myself though |
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| 23:24.09 | nhuisman_work | um, how do I install mod_rewrite on debian? |
| 23:24.42 | \amethyst | nhuisman_work: it should be part of the default apache install |
| 23:24.49 | nhuisman_work | yeah just found it |
| 23:25.09 | nhuisman_work | how do you enable mods in apache2 under debian |
| 23:25.17 | nitro4ce | <\amethyst> thanks. |
| 23:25.20 | nhuisman_work | they seem to have Yet another configuration setup. |
| 23:25.27 | petemc | nhuisman_work: a2enmod |
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| 23:26.18 | nitro4ce | <\amethyst> will an fstab edit work? |
| 23:26.38 | nhuisman_work | petemc, thanks |
| 23:26.43 | petemc | np |
| 23:27.26 | nitro4ce | <\amethyst> i wont right |
| 23:27.38 | nitro4ce | <\amethyst>* it won't right? |
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| 23:27.46 | \amethyst | nitro4ce: ? |
| 23:28.00 | nitro4ce | <\amethyst> noob here |
| 23:28.41 | nhuisman_work | is there a sites add command too? |
| 23:28.43 | nhuisman_work | to add conf files? |
| 23:28.50 | nitro4ce | <\amethyst> i wonder how do what u said (mount the disk as ext4dev) |
| 23:29.09 | \amethyst | nitro4ce: man fstab |
| 23:29.26 | nhuisman_work | nm found it |
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| 23:29.41 | \amethyst | nitro4ce: And you should read filesystems/ext4.txt in the kernel documentation |
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| 23:32.00 | n3kl | How do I setup a dmraid partition? |
| 23:32.23 | stew | n3kl: check /usr/share/doc/dmraid |
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| 23:33.02 | n3kl | stew: thanks |
| 23:33.13 | Kevin` | how do I properly install ipw2200 driver in debian |
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| 23:34.20 | n3kl | Kevin`: module-assistant |
| 23:34.30 | n3kl | m-a a-i ipw2200 |
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| 23:36.41 | JordiGH | What's a good way to get pictures from my camera? I'm disenchanted with the KDE tools (specifically, digikam). It also takes about a full hour to get the pictures from the camera to the hard disk! |
| 23:37.04 | Kevin` | ah I see, it wanted firmware it seems |
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| 23:38.33 | markybob | JordiGH: try picasa |
| 23:38.34 | n3kl | Kevin`: http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/firmware.php |
| 23:38.50 | karsten | In dual-head, is there any way to midify one screen's gamma? |
| 23:39.09 | JordiGH | markybob: Is that in Debian? Is that even free? |
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| 23:39.30 | markybob | no. depends what free you mean. http://picasa.google.com/linux/ |
| 23:40.09 | JordiGH | markybob: In this channel, I always mean DFSG-free. And the problem isn't with organising and sorting my pictures, but with getting out of the camera in the first place. |
| 23:40.23 | markybob | JordiGH: yes, it imports. |
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| 23:40.36 | tosh| | anyone know what I can use to stream audio to a psp, I had a good link on how to set it up but I forget the apache stuff you had to set up and what it was called |
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| 23:41.49 | JordiGH | markybob: Hrm. I think I'll look for something else. |
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| 23:43.58 | glasserc | JordiGH: I think you should try gphoto2; it's the underlying backend of digikam and if gphoto is slow there's probably not much you can do. It's kind of a pain to work with because it's CLI, though. |
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| 23:44.29 | junix-other | is there a way to see what a file type is in linux?? |
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| 23:44.37 | JordiGH | junix-other: file thefile |
| 23:44.44 | junix-other | thank you |
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| 23:45.06 | JordiGH | It's remarkably clever, but sometimes it's wrong. I rather like that it recognised Doom wads, though. :-) |
| 23:45.11 | junix-other | JordiGH: what about to see if it binary or ascii?? |
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| 23:45.21 | JordiGH | junix-other: less? |
| 23:45.26 | junix-other | k |
| 23:45.33 | Taza | So, I'm trying to get sound to work |
| 23:45.36 | Taza | What should I do? |
| 23:45.50 | amphi | Taza: pci sound card> |
| 23:45.51 | junix-other | add yourself to the sound group in /etc/group |
| 23:45.51 | amphi | ? |
| 23:45.58 | gpm | audio |
| 23:46.00 | gpm | he means |
| 23:46.04 | gpm | adduser [you] audio |
| 23:46.05 | gpm | as root |
| 23:46.07 | gpm | then alsamixer |
| 23:46.10 | gpm | or whatever |
| 23:46.13 | JordiGH | !enter |
| 23:46.14 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying, and scrolls our windows extraneously. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. We'll be more inclined to help you if you are considerate! |
| 23:46.15 | Taza | gpm: I tried alsamixer as root and no worky |
| 23:46.16 | gpm | apt-get install alsa-utils |
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| 23:46.22 | gpm | JordiGH: thanks |
| 23:46.25 | amphi | Taza: try alsaconf |
| 23:46.33 | Taza | I ran alsaconf, it detects my card |
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| 23:46.35 | Muisje | OH MY GOD |
| 23:46.38 | gpm | Taza: are you in the audio group? |
| 23:46.43 | gpm | Taza: try groups |
| 23:46.44 | Taza | gpm: Not the problem. |
| 23:46.44 | Muisje | Temp.= 48.0, 85.5 |
| 23:46.57 | gpm | Taza: so what happens when you try to run alsamixer? |
| 23:46.58 | Muisje | My server's CPU is at 85.5 degree's celcius :/ |
| 23:47.06 | gpm | Muisje: jeez |
| 23:47.07 | Taza | It reports that the card is not found |
| 23:47.16 | Taza | I installed alsa-base, alsa-utils and alsa-oss |
| 23:47.16 | amphi | Muisje: heh - what cpu? |
| 23:47.23 | gpm | Taza: but it is found when you run alsaconf? |
| 23:47.25 | Muisje | Amd athlon xp 3000+ |
| 23:47.28 | junix-other | ok i'm trying to get TroubleTicketExpress setup,andits a cgi app, i'm using apache2 on debian etch, i can't get the webpage to come up |
| 23:47.30 | amphi | Taza: what does lspci say about the card |
| 23:47.30 | Taza | I run alsaconf, it detects my card. |
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| 23:47.46 | Taza | lspci says nothing - it's an old non-pnp ISA bus chip on a laptop |
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| 23:48.00 | Taza | ES AudioDrive 1878 to be precise. |
| 23:48.02 | gpm | aha |
| 23:48.02 | Muisje | criminalsworld:~# acpi -t |
| 23:48.02 | Muisje | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:48.10 | gpm | i'm only familiar with pci, sorry :( |
| 23:48.12 | amphi | Muisje: maybe you should use cpufreq, the ondemand governator for example - or is the machine under heavy load? |
| 23:48.14 | Muisje | mb temp is 48 degree's celcius |
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| 23:48.24 | Muisje | heavy load amphi |
| 23:48.26 | Taza | Alsaconf detects the card - alsamixer fails to start |
| 23:48.36 | Taza | Replying no such device. |
| 23:48.42 | amphi | Muisje: not mch you can do then - are the fans going? |
| 23:48.44 | junix-other | could someone look at this http://paste.debian.net/28710 |
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| 23:49.11 | gpm | Taza: that's really odd. if you're sure you're in the audio group, there's nothing left but to report a bug as far as i knog |
| 23:49.16 | gpm | know |
| 23:49.34 | gpm | check the bts first though |
| 23:50.09 | simonrvn | did s/he log out, or start another shell? |
| 23:50.09 | Taza | I wonder what defines the default card for alsamixer. I mean, alsaconf should, and I'm not sure if I should install extra packages other than the ones I've installed. |
| 23:50.15 | simonrvn | that would matter too |
| 23:50.23 | gpm | Taza: lsmod |grep snd |
| 23:50.26 | amphi | Taza: oh, isa - there are isa tools |
| 23:50.42 | Taza | Nothing |
| 23:50.54 | simonrvn | it's not loaded then |
| 23:50.56 | Taza | After running alsaconf there are some alsa modules, I know that. |
| 23:50.57 | gpm | there you go |
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| 23:51.14 | gpm | but they're unloaded...when i ran alsaconf just now, it *unloaded* my modules |
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| 23:51.20 | gpm | so that might've happened to you too |
| 23:51.22 | Muisje | yes amphi |
| 23:51.25 | Taza | No, that's not the case |
| 23:51.26 | Muisje | but the MB should turn off |
| 23:51.27 | Taza | Fresh reboot |
| 23:51.30 | SPOPPO` | Hello |
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| 23:51.34 | Muisje | when cpu hts 75 degree's celcius |
| 23:51.35 | simonrvn | they're not in kernel memory, therefore they aren't available to any sub-system |
| 23:51.41 | gpm | if lsmod|grep snd shows nothing, then no sound modules are loaded |
| 23:51.43 | SPOPPO` | unsure |
| 23:51.54 | gpm | simonrvn: huh? |
| 23:51.55 | Muisje | it's back from 86 to 83 |
| 23:51.56 | Taza | Yeah, but they are loaded after alsaconf |
| 23:52.11 | Muisje | this can't be healthy ffs |
| 23:52.12 | simonrvn | in kernel mem == showing in lsmod |
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| 23:52.26 | Muisje | no cpu |
| 23:52.29 | Taza | Including the correct module for my soundcard. |
| 23:52.30 | Muisje | should hit 86 degree's |
| 23:52.34 | gpm | Taza: so you see something then, when you run lsmod|grep snd |
| 23:52.35 | doudou | hi, how can i get back deleted items with fluxbox? |
| 23:52.43 | doudou | recover |
| 23:52.47 | Taza | gpm: After running alsaconf - not now, since this is a fresh reboot |
| 23:52.48 | karsten | doudou: From your backups. |
| 23:52.51 | simonrvn | that's odd that alsconf would *unload* the mods... |
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| 23:53.00 | gpm | Taza: oh, well run alsaconf again to load the modules |
| 23:53.03 | gpm | then try to run alsamixer |
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| 23:53.16 | Taza | I did try that countless times |
| 23:53.18 | amphi | Muisje: dismantle the case, put more fans, get some liquid nitrogen, ... |
| 23:53.27 | gpm | you were sure the modules were loaded before you ran alsamixer? |
| 23:53.32 | Muisje | its back up to 84 |
| 23:53.34 | Muisje | omg |
| 23:53.39 | Taza | Yes, I ran alsaconf before running alsamixer. |
| 23:53.43 | simonrvn | try this, /etc/init.d/alsa reload |
| 23:53.52 | Muisje | i definitly am going to replace cpu fan |
| 23:53.54 | Muisje | within a week |
| 23:54.00 | amphi | Taza: you'll probably need to specify irq, i/o address and so forth for such a card - it's long since I did isa |
| 23:54.10 | junix-other | could someone look at this http://paste.debian.net/28710 |
| 23:54.18 | Taza | amphi: I could, if I knew where. |
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| 23:54.26 | gpm | for me running alsa conf/restarting alsa _unloads_ them |
| 23:54.28 | doudou | karsten if there where backups from the begining of computers windows would never have existed, so there are no backups |
| 23:54.33 | simonrvn | my isa sb18 doesn't need that shite, luckily :) |
| 23:54.35 | gpm | i have to run it twice to get it to re-load |
| 23:54.38 | simonrvn | sb16* |
| 23:54.40 | Taza | I'm not sure if I should load the modules via modprobe before running alsaconf, but I tried it either way. |
| 23:54.56 | simonrvn | doudou: bad answer |
| 23:55.00 | Taza | As in, the snd-es18xx |
| 23:55.09 | amphi | Taza: perhaps the bios gives some clue? or isapnptools or whatever it's called? |
| 23:55.13 | doudou | karsten, if you think backups, you think that data must live in separate place |
| 23:55.24 | Taza | amphi: I know the damn settings! |
| 23:55.31 | simonrvn | O_O |
| 23:55.35 | gpm | Taza: we're trying to help here |
| 23:55.38 | amphi | Taza: so tell the damn modules |
| 23:56.00 | Taza | alsaconf however apparently detects it wrong. |
| 23:56.01 | simonrvn | so point at the modules with a manacing tone and tell them to load or else |
| 23:56.20 | simonrvn | this is why i neve recommend alsaconf ;) |
| 23:56.22 | n3kl | Ok, still stuck with dmraid. I do dmraid -s and it shows the device, them dmraid -ay and I get ERROR: device-mapper target type "raid45" not in kernel. ANy ideas? |
| 23:56.24 | simonrvn | never* |
| 23:56.39 | simonrvn | menacing* |
| 23:56.43 | gpm | i don't get why there are 20 tools to do the same thing |
| 23:56.44 | amphi | simonrvn: it's always worked for me, AFAIR |
| 23:56.58 | xoz | gpm: welcome to unix/linux |
| 23:57.08 | gpm | xoz: yeah, i realized that after i said it |
| 23:57.13 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 23:57.18 | gpm | xoz: it's basically a linux thing i think |
| 23:57.28 | gpm | good call |
| 23:57.31 | gpm | i'll shut up now |
| 23:57.33 | Taza | Also, I've fried my ethernet card. -_- |
| 23:57.34 | n3kl | xoz: serious |
| 23:57.43 | Taza | And it's a laptop |
| 23:57.47 | morvok | what part of the hd is raid information stored? |
| 23:57.51 | doudou | karsten, ok i will ask you something, security and rings of security means you should not install untrustable programs with root rights, but debian do that from the begining isnt it? |
| 23:57.52 | xoz | that is what freedom means |
| 23:57.58 | n3kl | Taza: yenta to the rescue |
| 23:58.12 | amphi | Taza: 8139 cardbus nics cost half-nothing |
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| 23:58.27 | Taza | amphi: Finding one is the problem |
| 23:58.39 | gpm | pricewatch? |
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| 23:58.43 | Taza | This is a pcmcia card, and I've fried it. *sigh* |
| 23:58.47 | amphi | Taza: are you far from 'civiisation'? |
| 23:58.53 | n3kl | Taza: get a new one |
| 23:58.56 | doudou | karsten, why speak of backups and user efforts when people who manage the system are the weakest part of all the mess? |
| 23:59.09 | Taza | amphi: Very, very far away |
| 23:59.11 | xoz | Taza: correga usb |
| 23:59.18 | n3kl | Taza: must be nice |
| 23:59.28 | Taza | There is no running water here. |
| 23:59.28 | doudou | why debian is like red hat and did not change for 10 yeras |
| 23:59.39 | n3kl | Taza: though, you still have an internet connection. for shame |
| 23:59.48 | amphi | Taza: can't be _that_ far - .fi is not so huge ;) |
