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| 00:00.26 | xoz | linus is from .fi |
| 00:00.32 | amphi | Taza: buy one off the intertubes, and have it rushed to you in a plain wrapper |
| 00:00.32 | gpm | werd |
| 00:00.39 | doudou | why you can find what programs are needed and how to find them, and must suffer with dpkg aptitude and so many ununderstandable steps of programs |
| 00:00.47 | samuel | anyone know the name of a command line program for encryption of text files? |
| 00:00.57 | gpm | can we kick doudou? |
| 00:01.00 | amphi | doudou: what are you raving about? |
| 00:01.03 | amphi | samuel: gpg |
| 00:01.09 | xoz | !fire doudou |
| 00:01.09 | dpkg | I'm sorry, doudou, but it just isn't working out. Pack up your stuff. |
| 00:01.10 | samuel | thanks |
| 00:01.53 | gpm | that's more like !break up with doudou |
| 00:01.55 | doudou | why gnome and kde are so heavy |
| 00:02.42 | amphi | doudou: it is in the nature of such things - if you don't like 'em, don't use 'em |
| 00:02.52 | karsten | doudou: I mention backups because most Linux filesystems don't support undelete capabilities. |
| 00:02.57 | doudou | why so many ppl beleave that this system is coherent and good and many other help them to think that it is their fault if there are problems |
| 00:03.17 | pipeline | doudou: It's mostly your fault. You, sir, are the source of the vast majority of debian problems. Duh. |
| 00:03.20 | doudou | why so many programmers unable to make decent documentations are so eager to ask people to search? |
| 00:03.22 | karsten | doudou: If you don't have backups now, now you know why you should have them. |
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| 00:03.31 | gpm | doudou:because they're programmers |
| 00:03.40 | gpm | wow |
| 00:03.43 | gpm | we're feeding him |
| 00:03.47 | amphi | doudou: why don't you write the documentation? |
| 00:03.52 | pipeline | gpm: And why is that, pray tell? Oh wait, because it's fun. |
| 00:03.57 | dvs | gpm: i like feeding birds |
| 00:04.00 | gpm | pipeline: you're right |
| 00:04.05 | n3kl | I think there is a problem with the debian kernel using dmraid software raid 5. |
| 00:04.18 | gpm | dvs: those are dodos |
| 00:04.20 | pipeline | n3kl: I would probably use md, which is considerably better tested :P |
| 00:04.28 | dvs | gpm: what's the diff? ;-) |
| 00:04.46 | doudou | because i dont write programs, i do not complain about lack of doc, i complain about eager to ask to search |
| 00:04.49 | pipeline | We want the funk; give up the funk. |
| 00:04.51 | gpm | dvs: a coupla us...i guess it's negligible |
| 00:04.59 | n3kl | pipeline: hmm, never heard of it... |
| 00:05.01 | karsten | !fr |
| 00:05.02 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
| 00:05.16 | pipeline | n3kl: err, md is the conventional software raid mechanism. |
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| 00:05.29 | pipeline | n3kl: dmraid is based around the dm driver, which is used to provide LVM |
| 00:05.31 | gpm | search? |
| 00:05.36 | gpm | like apt-cache search |
| 00:05.43 | pipeline | n3kl: dm for LVM works really well. It doesn't work so well for RAID. Fewer developers, fewer testers than md. |
| 00:05.44 | n3kl | pipeline: ah, how do I get started? |
| 00:05.55 | karsten | doudou: In the US, this is called the school of hard knocks. Admission's cheap, tuition's high, but the education, should you not flunk out, is second to none. |
| 00:05.56 | pipeline | n3kl: install mdadm or raidtools. |
| 00:06.03 | pipeline | n3kl: mdadm is more pleasant to use :P |
| 00:06.32 | pipeline | n3kl: it's a cruel accident that dm and md are such similar names |
| 00:06.33 | karsten | doudou: you might be advised to 1) read a good book or two on Linux administration and 2) either learn better English or stick to French support channels. |
| 00:06.34 | n3kl | pipeline: thanks for the tip |
| 00:06.41 | eldowon | doudou: indeed, it is a lesson that is seldom needed to be learned more than once. |
| 00:06.59 | doudou | karsten, you should know that debian-fr is not a help channel |
| 00:06.59 | gpm | owee |
| 00:07.01 | pipeline | n3kl: by and large, your best bet is to use LVM on of mdadm volumes |
| 00:07.15 | karma | Hey, I'm using KDE and I somehow messed up where the Desktop is configured and I dont know how to fix it. There are 2 icons in my home folder--one that says "Desktop" where something will go if I save it to the desktop, and the other says "xorg.conf.clones" which is where KDE thinks the desktop is, and it displays its contents (trash, system, and home icons) on the actual background. |
| 00:07.20 | pipeline | n3kl: That is, mdadm and md will provide you with block devices, which you can then use as lvm PVs |
| 00:07.22 | karma | how do I configure where KDE thinks the desktop is? |
| 00:07.25 | doudou | karsten, unlike ubuntu-fr which is hlp channel |
| 00:07.33 | karsten | doudou: It's not? |
| 00:07.41 | pipeline | n3kl: md also supports RAID6 to some extent. It's not SUPER well-tested, but it seems to work :) |
| 00:07.54 | eldowon | karma: quick and dirty solution? rm ~./.kde -rf and restart X |
| 00:08.00 | gpm | no, #debianfr is |
| 00:08.10 | eldowon | karma: notice you will loose ALL configurations |
| 00:08.21 | doudou | karsten, there is a way to recover data that you put in trash even with linux i suppose, tell me how |
| 00:08.22 | gpm | oh wait, they both are? |
| 00:08.30 | gpm | doudou: on gnome? |
| 00:08.33 | gpm | doudou: on kde? |
| 00:09.11 | karsten | doudou: There isn't. It's gone. You've learned your lesson. Berating _me_ won't recover _your_ data. |
| 00:09.34 | gpm | karsten: you sure he doesn't mean trash like the gui |
| 00:09.34 | karma | eldowon: thanks :) |
| 00:09.35 | doudou | karsten, debian-fr is channel of friends who like to pretend aknoledged ppl, mainly stupid ppl asking to be paid for their stupidity |
| 00:09.42 | gpm | it could just be in ~/.Trash |
| 00:09.44 | eldowon | karma: did it work? |
| 00:09.54 | gpm | doudou: how did you "trash" this file? |
| 00:10.02 | gpm | er |
| 00:10.03 | gpm | data |
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| 00:10.40 | doudou | gpm, mouse rigth clik delete |
| 00:10.50 | gpm | doudou: are you in kde, gnome or what? |
| 00:10.53 | doudou | gpm, under iceweasel |
| 00:11.01 | doudou | gpm, fluxbox |
| 00:11.07 | xoz | .trash |
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| 00:11.23 | gpm | look for .trash or .Trash in your home |
| 00:11.26 | gpm | if they aren't there |
| 00:11.29 | nn-main | how do i find a Freenode op |
| 00:11.31 | gpm | then you actually deleted it |
| 00:11.35 | gpm | and it's gone :( |
| 00:11.45 | karsten | nn-main: http://www.freenode.org |
| 00:11.47 | karsten | nn-main: faq |
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| 00:11.57 | karsten | RichiH: Yo, op, you about? |
| 00:12.02 | karsten | nn-main: ... or /msg RichiH |
| 00:12.06 | doudou | xoz, no .trash file |
| 00:12.14 | gpm | doudou: it would be a folder |
| 00:12.31 | eldowon | does k3b support burning of wma's to audio CD? |
| 00:12.34 | nn-main | um i mean like Freenode staff member |
| 00:12.37 | karma | eldowon: I actually found the path to the desktop folder in control center, system administration, paths, where it was pointing to the erroneous folder |
| 00:12.55 | karsten | nn-main: RichiH is same. Or /join #freenode-social and read /topic |
| 00:13.07 | eldowon | karma: good to know. |
| 00:13.17 | karma | eldowon: I switched to simply Desktop and it was fixed! no idea how I accidentalyl did that lol |
| 00:13.41 | eldowon | karma: watch your HDD, it could be bit wander. it happens from time to time. |
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| 00:13.56 | eldowon | sometimes bits and bytes just jump tracks |
| 00:14.19 | doudou | i try aptitude install recover ; recover /dev/hda2 |
| 00:14.23 | doudou | will see |
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| 00:16.06 | nn-main | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:16.07 | gpm | wow |
| 00:16.07 | eldowon | gpm what wowed you? |
| 00:16.07 | doudou | suppose world could change, and you will not pay for secret knowledge, but for talent to handle knowledge, you spend time here answering you earn knowledge, deal is correct? |
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| 00:16.28 | gpm | eldowon: doudou |
| 00:16.38 | eldowon | aah IC |
| 00:17.09 | nhuisman_work | grr |
| 00:17.25 | nhuisman_work | why do web packages insist upon splitting themselves up all over my disk |
| 00:17.39 | nhuisman_work | shit in /etc/ /var/lib/ /var/log /usr/share |
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| 00:17.47 | nhuisman_work | so annoying |
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| 00:17.52 | abrotman | debian packaging policy ? |
| 00:18.07 | eshaase | whats a good app to rip tracks off of an audio cd? |
| 00:18.08 | nhuisman_work | i bet they don't all follow the same policy.. |
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| 00:18.26 | abrotman | and i'm not sure why you're complaining about them doing what makes sense |
| 00:18.33 | abrotman | eshaase: CLI or GUI ? |
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| 00:18.48 | eshaase | abrotman: either |
| 00:18.55 | gpm | grip for gui, i think |
| 00:18.56 | abrotman | and ripping to what ? |
| 00:18.57 | eldowon | abcde |
| 00:19.00 | eldowon | ? |
| 00:19.08 | abrotman | soundjuicer! |
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| 00:19.14 | eldowon | I use kaudiocreator |
| 00:19.19 | nhuisman_work | abrotman, if they are all _actually_ following the standard then i guess it isn't so bad, i just bet i'll find some putting their files in other locations. |
| 00:19.21 | gpm | abrotman: seriously? |
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| 00:19.40 | abrotman | nhuisman_work: so learn the policy .. and then file bugs if you think it's appropriate |
| 00:19.59 | eshaase | well i was planning on using lame to encode to mp3 so rip into any format that lame accepts |
| 00:20.02 | eshaase | s |
| 00:20.07 | spheard | debian has a standard supported virtual server package doesn't it? |
| 00:20.17 | abrotman | standard ? |
| 00:20.24 | spheard | well, supported |
| 00:20.27 | karsten | doudou: If you've got a specific question, then ask it. You've been told that your data is likely gone and no amount of ranting will save you from the fact that you (innocently or otherwise) made a mistake. Grow up. And for love of fnord, shut up a little, listen, and learn something. |
| 00:20.39 | spheard | virtual server |
| 00:20.40 | karsten | spheard: Several. |
| 00:20.51 | spheard | any of them run on sparc? |
| 00:20.56 | nhuisman_work | abrotman, should I just google for the policy? or do you know the site I can read about it on. |
| 00:21.03 | karsten | spheard: kvm, uml, vservers, xen, qemu. |
| 00:21.08 | abrotman | !policy |
| 00:21.08 | dpkg | somebody said policy was available at http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ - the manual that describes how debian packages should and must interact with the debian system. see best practices, or those who fail to understand Debian Policy are doomed to reimplement it, poorly. |
| 00:21.15 | nhuisman_work | thx |
| 00:21.27 | eldowon | eshaase: if you use KDE, just browse to the cd, and look under the mp3 folder... :D |
| 00:21.41 | nhuisman_work | yikes that's big |
| 00:21.44 | abrotman | nhuisman_work: but from what you're describing .. that's totally normal .. and most admins would prefer it that way |
| 00:21.51 | gpm | eshaase: grip works well for that if you ask me |
| 00:22.03 | nhuisman_work | i'll be fine with it as long as it's the same between applications. |
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| 00:22.18 | nhuisman_work | ie., rt and cacti |
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| 00:22.18 | abrotman | eldowon: wouldn't that imply lame is installed ? |
| 00:22.41 | spheard | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:22.43 | eldowon | abrotman: implications implications implication... |
| 00:23.02 | eldowon | abrotman: I guess it would though. or another mp3 lib, right? |
| 00:23.03 | karsten | spheard: Define? |
| 00:23.09 | abrotman | unless KDE wrote their own mp3 encoding library .. which actually sounds like something KDE would do :) |
| 00:23.16 | eldowon | heh |
| 00:23.22 | eshaase | lame takes wav files as input right? |
| 00:23.33 | gpm | yeah |
| 00:23.39 | gpm | or mp3s |
| 00:23.39 | abrotman | it takes a few formats |
| 00:23.45 | gpm | what else? |
| 00:23.48 | gpm | out of curiousity |
| 00:24.02 | gpm | curiosity |
| 00:24.10 | eshaase | abrotman: flac? |
| 00:24.14 | doudou | karsten, nobody made a mistake, i recover some files with recover |
| 00:24.17 | eldowon | gpm: it doesn't matter, if you have unsupported formats I'm sure you could pipe the decoded into lame... right? |
| 00:24.35 | gpm | assuming you can decode them |
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| 00:24.39 | gpm | but then he needs mplayer |
| 00:24.41 | gpm | or something |
| 00:24.57 | abrotman | the man page is really long .. someone else read it :) |
| 00:25.00 | eshaase | if i plan to use sound juicer to rip my audio cd to a format and have lame encode my mp3s what format should i rip my audio tracks to? (flac vs. wav) |
| 00:25.04 | gpm | yeah i'm trying |
| 00:25.07 | gpm | but i'm sleepy too |
| 00:25.15 | spheard | karsten: well, Ilve been using a system called openVZ on a pc in my cupboard. That uses a single kernel for many virtual machines. Ive just been given control over a dual core sunfire v210 so Ive been trying to get this to compile into the kernel on said machine to no avail. Im looking for an easy option. xen is not really good enuf cos its so resource hungry |
| 00:25.21 | spheard | if that makes sence |
| 00:25.34 | eldowon | eshaase: it doesn't matter. flac is just a compressed wav with no quality loss. |
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| 00:25.44 | karsten | spheard: vservers or kvm would be a similar general idea. |
| 00:25.48 | eshaase | eldowon: ahhh, ok |
| 00:25.55 | Muisje | Omg |
| 00:25.56 | eldowon | eshaase: if you plan on archiving the cds losslessly, I would use flac. it compresses to ~50% filesize |
| 00:25.57 | Muisje | 81.5 |
| 00:25.59 | Muisje | degrees |
| 00:26.01 | Muisje | celcius |
| 00:26.06 | gpm | mp2, raw pcm |
| 00:26.09 | karsten | !tell Muisje about enter |
| 00:26.12 | Muisje | the mobo is at 46 degrees celcius |
| 00:26.20 | Muisje | !tell Muisje about mean |
| 00:26.20 | spheard | karsten: wonder if there is a standard .deb for sparc64 |
| 00:26.23 | eshaase | i get the following from soundjuicer: Sound Juicer could not extract this CD. Reason: Could not link pipeline |
| 00:26.25 | karsten | Muisje: we really don't all need a weather report from your system every 5 minutes. |
| 00:26.27 | eshaase | any ideas? |
| 00:26.31 | karsten | !tell spheard about search |
| 00:26.32 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 00:26.38 | karsten | spheard: You can determine that readily enough. |
| 00:26.43 | Muisje | !tell karsten about mean |
| 00:26.49 | gpm | eshaase: wait, you're trying to use soundjuicer with lame? |
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| 00:27.03 | eshaase | i'm just trying to rip my audio cd |
| 00:27.03 | abrotman | Muisje: stop already |
| 00:27.09 | gpm | eshaase: to make mp3s from an audio cd |
| 00:27.11 | spheard | Muisje: thank you |
| 00:27.12 | gpm | right? |
| 00:27.19 | eshaase | yeah, but tahts phase 2 |
| 00:27.21 | eshaase | i'm stuck i phase 1 |
| 00:27.26 | gpm | oh just ripping |
| 00:27.31 | eshaase | yeah |
| 00:27.48 | gpm | are you on gnome? |
| 00:28.07 | abrotman | eshaase: use grip or soundjuicer |
| 00:28.10 | Muisje | karsten, do me a favour and touch the coolblock |
| 00:28.21 | Muisje | That probably burns the skin of your fingers |
| 00:28.28 | gpm | grip is more flexible imho |
| 00:28.34 | abrotman | Muisje: at this point .. i'm hoping your CPU explodes |
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| 00:28.53 | Muisje | that's sad abrotman |
| 00:28.55 | gpm | eshaase: but if you like soundjuicer, you should check the preferences out |
| 00:29.06 | abrotman | Muisje: and ? |
| 00:29.14 | Muisje | I thought you were better than that |
| 00:29.16 | karsten | Muisje: I've ignored you for now, stop abusing bots to annoy me or I'll report you to ops as well. |
| 00:29.20 | Muisje | but i guess you're just a dick |
| 00:29.29 | Muisje | karsten stop making threats and cry... |
| 00:29.32 | abrotman | oh .. i'm hurt |
| 00:29.32 | stew | Muisje: stop |
| 00:29.42 | Muisje | I'm trying to figure out why my cpu is at this high temp |
| 00:29.42 | stew | karsten: abrotman: you two please stop as well |
| 00:29.48 | Muisje | cause the MOBO, should turn off |
| 00:29.55 | Muisje | when the cpu hits 75degrees celcius |
| 00:29.56 | abrotman | Muisje: start by asking #hardware |
| 00:30.06 | eshaase | gpm: it doesn't encode to mp3 |
| 00:30.16 | eshaase | gpm: atleast it doesn't appear to, maybe because i don't have lame installed yet |
| 00:30.18 | gpm | eshaase: yeah, i see that now |
| 00:30.27 | gpm | eshaase: no, i have lame and it doesn't show up |
| 00:30.33 | gpm | iirc setting it up to work is a bitch |
| 00:30.36 | gpm | it's easier in grip though |
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| 00:30.39 | Muisje | abrotman i know that the system deactivates at 75 degrees celcius |
| 00:30.45 | Muisje | I am wondering |
| 00:30.49 | gpm | lame and grip work well if you install both and go through grips prefs carefully |
| 00:30.50 | abrotman | Muisje: okay .. great .. go ask #hardware .. |
| 00:30.56 | Muisje | why debian detects my CPU to be atleast 12 degree's higher... |
| 00:31.06 | Muisje | Cause the case itself |
| 00:31.10 | Muisje | has a temperature meter aswell |
| 00:31.18 | eshaase | gpm: ok, i'll checdk it out |
| 00:31.19 | eshaase | thanks |
| 00:31.29 | gpm | np |
| 00:31.36 | gpm | it's well documented too |
| 00:31.41 | gpm | google grip |
| 00:31.47 | Muisje | Cause the case reads |
| 00:31.50 | Muisje | 57 degree's |
| 00:31.58 | Muisje | and 37 degree's case temperature |
| 00:31.58 | gpm | it's #9 on the list |
| 00:32.02 | abrotman | god .. stop hitting enter |
| 00:32.02 | stew | Muisje: please don't use the enter key in place of puctuation |
| 00:32.39 | Muisje | Sorry... i tend to do that automatic... |
| 00:32.45 | gpm | it's hard once you're in the habit |
| 00:32.49 | Muisje | abrotman stop taking a piss at me. |
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| 00:33.03 | Muisje | If you don't wanna help me, fine but don't start pissing me off. |
| 00:33.04 | abrotman | Muisje: i'm not the only one |
| 00:33.10 | abrotman | Muisje: please don't single me out |
| 00:33.11 | doudou | karsten, did not recover what i needed, recover does not work with ext3 filesystem |
| 00:33.11 | karsten | !tell gpm about enter |
| 00:33.19 | gpm | karsten: thanks. i know |
| 00:33.20 | stew | Muisje: if someone is pissing you off, just please use /ignore |
| 00:33.26 | Muisje | stew, look at that |
| 00:33.26 | gpm | i'm well aware |
| 00:33.27 | karsten | doudou: Yes, I told you that what, an hour ago? |
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| 00:33.36 | Muisje | karsten is just looking for weak excuses to use the bot |
| 00:33.39 | spheard | Muisje: what actually is your problem? |
| 00:33.58 | Muisje | spheard, my case reads different temps then debian does.. |
| 00:34.01 | Muisje | i tried acpi -t |
| 00:34.03 | gpm | karsten: by the way, just now ryuzaki told me "karsten wanted me to tell you about enter" or somesuch |
| 00:34.12 | Muisje | and i tried mbmon... (sorry for the enter again) |
| 00:34.15 | abrotman | !tell me about enter |
| 00:34.17 | stew | ryuzaki: owner |
| 00:34.26 | abrotman | i didn't get it |
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| 00:34.29 | karsten | stew: Kick that bot. |
| 00:34.29 | gpm | ryuzaki: hi |
| 00:34.36 | abrotman | !tell abrotman about enter |
| 00:34.40 | abrotman | i got it now |
| 00:34.44 | spheard | Muisje: your case? you have a little digital display on the side of your case? |
| 00:34.48 | Muisje | !tell karsten about botabuse |
| 00:35.03 | gpm | abrotman: he gotcha too? |
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| 00:35.09 | Muisje | yes spheard |
| 00:35.09 | karsten | !ops Muisje botabuse |
| 00:35.09 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: karsten complains about: Muisje botabuse |
| 00:35.16 | abrotman | gpm: yes .. doesn't work with "me" .. but does work with nicks |
| 00:35.21 | stew | can you guys just please grow up |
| 00:35.24 | Muisje | !ops karsten Bot abuse + Being annoying |
| 00:35.24 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: muisje complains about: karsten Bot abuse + Being annoying |
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| 00:35.30 | spheard | Muisje: Is this a mission critical problem? |
| 00:35.35 | Muisje | Yes. |
| 00:35.35 | stew | Muisje: karsten: both of you, stop |
| 00:35.41 | Muisje | I need to figure out what's wrong. |
| 00:35.48 | Muisje | I need debian to read the actual temperatures. |
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| 00:36.15 | dvs | Muisje: you don't have to piss of the entire channel to do so |
| 00:36.19 | abrotman | i'd check the BIOS to see which is correct |
| 00:36.34 | gpm | dvs: let's try to stay positive. |
| 00:36.43 | mentor | Muisje: If you want help, I suggest you be a bit more constructive in your communications |
| 00:36.45 | dvs | bah |
| 00:36.53 | abrotman | maybe a 'u' too :) |
| 00:36.53 | dvs | fof? |
| 00:37.08 | abrotman | fthe |
| 00:37.13 | Muisje | I did not piss off the entire channel, karsten starts by being all retarded at me, i'm not taking that crap from anyone sorry. |
| 00:37.28 | gpm | see, what happens? |
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| 00:37.47 | stew | Muisje: take a 10 minute break |
| 00:38.03 | dvs | Muisje: well, you do now |
| 00:38.03 | gpm | aww |
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| 00:38.21 | spheard | Muisje: how do you know its debian getting it wrong |
| 00:38.22 | eshaase | whats a good lame encoder? |
| 00:38.32 | mentor | Muisje: I have reviewed the conversation, and that doens't appear to be an accurate representation of what happened. |
| 00:38.38 | gpm | eshaase: lame is an encoder |
| 00:38.51 | abrotman | !lame |
| 00:38.51 | dpkg | lame is, like, Binary packages available from <debian-multimedia> or <rarewares>. Upstream sources, with build instructions for Debian at http://www.mp3dev.org/ or http://lame.sourceforge.net/ -- Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder. |
| 00:39.59 | abrotman | stew: can you also kill off ryuzaki ? |
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| 00:40.28 | abrotman | damn thing only responds to ! in the channel |
| 00:40.35 | eshaase | gpm: theres a package called name? |
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| 00:40.57 | eshaase | Package lame is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 00:41.05 | abrotman | !tell eshaase about debian-multimedia |
| 00:41.31 | abrotman | stew: also .. can you fix schilling? :) |
| 00:42.04 | gpm | eshaase: it's not in debian proper |
| 00:42.08 | ironfroggy | I have a box i need to deploy on, but just installing python on it is upgrading libc, which is pulling in a new kernel, which is trying to remove the kernel im running at the time. i have no idea what i should do. |
| 00:42.10 | gpm | eshaase: you need to go to debian-multimedia.org or compile it yourself |
| 00:42.11 | spheard | anyone know any good groupware solutions? I want to use open-xchange but it only runs commercailly on RHEL?!?!? |
| 00:42.18 | ironfroggy | how do i handle such a situation? |
| 00:42.52 | abrotman | open-groupware |
| 00:43.00 | dvs | ironfroggy: sounds like you're mixing distros |
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| 00:43.53 | ironfroggy | how would i do that? |
| 00:44.01 | dvs | ironfroggy: you wouldn't |
| 00:44.06 | abrotman | you don't want to |
| 00:44.14 | dvs | ironfroggy: it usually creates a mess |
| 00:44.17 | ironfroggy | of course not |
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| 00:44.24 | karsten | spheard: I know a bunch of bad groupware solutions. What specifically do you need? |
| 00:44.26 | ironfroggy | but as far as i would know im not doing that. |
| 00:44.34 | ironfroggy | its a freshly installed server. |
| 00:44.34 | abrotman | ironfroggy: show us your sources |
| 00:44.37 | karsten | spheard: ... and if the app requires RH, then run RH (or CentOS). |
| 00:44.50 | eshaase | gpm: ok, thanks |
| 00:44.50 | abrotman | ironfroggy: and also .. dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 00:45.02 | abrotman | ironfroggy: and uname -a |
| 00:45.05 | dvs | ironfroggy: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:45.14 | spheard | karsten: I dont want to run red hat, I run debian. Im not bending over cos of some crap licencing. not why I got into linux |
| 00:45.15 | abrotman | ironfroggy: and the output of the command from trying to install python |
| 00:45.23 | gpm | eshaase: good luck |
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| 00:46.16 | spheard | karsten: I want something I can include as part of a small/medium business managed dedicated server package thing |
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| 00:47.26 | karsten | spheard: My pagmatic advice is: if your ISV requires a specific platform for support, either tell them that that's not acceptable to you (I work for an ISV and I'm in a phone conf discussing same right now, we've got rogue users wanting ubuntu), or choose a different product, or run rogue and swallow the consequences. |
| 00:47.36 | eshaase | gpm: ok, thanks |
| 00:47.39 | karsten | spheard: What specific capabilities do you need? |
| 00:48.01 | ironfroggy | ok uno momento |
| 00:48.24 | ironfroggy | uname -a: Linux SP4193a.serverpronto.com 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Wed Aug 17 09:33:35 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 00:48.47 | abrotman | ironfroggy: put it all in one pastebin please |
| 00:49.13 | ironfroggy | o, i thought it was just two lines |
| 00:49.24 | karsten | abrotman: xclip is your friend. ( command; command; command ) | xclip |
| 00:49.24 | ironfroggy | oh, i missed being asked for my sources.list file |
| 00:49.27 | karsten | abrotman: ... then paste. |
| 00:49.42 | abrotman | karsten: yeah .. somehow i doubt that'll be useful here :) |
| 00:49.47 | karsten | abrotman: The subshell redirects everything. Useful trick. |
| 00:49.54 | karsten | abrotman: Sure, just FYi. |
| 00:50.12 | abrotman | karsten: i know that trick :) |
| 00:50.17 | abrotman | !paster |
| 00:50.17 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 00:50.20 | abrotman | ironfroggy: ^^ |
| 00:50.23 | ironfroggy | http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/4890 |
| 00:50.28 | abrotman | or that |
| 00:50.36 | dvs | huh? |
| 00:50.41 | dvs | deadbeef? |
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| 00:50.58 | abrotman | ironfroggy: your sources are pointing at etch .. you're running sarge |
| 00:51.05 | ironfroggy | dvs: i suspect the hex has some meaning but i never bothered to ask. |
| 00:51.10 | abrotman | ironfroggy: either change your sources or dist-upgrade to etch |
| 00:51.12 | ironfroggy | im running sarge? |
| 00:51.16 | abrotman | aye |
| 00:51.23 | ironfroggy | how is that deduced? |
| 00:51.28 | dvs | ironfroggy: or you didn't upgrade the kernel |
| 00:51.29 | ironfroggy | so that next time, i dont have to ask. |
| 00:51.31 | abrotman | your kernel and libc6 |
| 00:51.37 | ironfroggy | i didnt do anything. its not "my" box. |
| 00:51.48 | abrotman | i blame bronzefroggy |
| 00:51.50 | dvs | ironfroggy: well, that person didn't do the upgrade properly |
| 00:51.52 | ironfroggy | which was before which in edgy and sarge? |
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| 00:52.08 | ironfroggy | dvs: i dont think they did anything at all. it was a stock install by the hosting company, as far as i know. |
| 00:52.27 | abrotman | shoot them |
| 00:52.36 | Muisje | ... |
| 00:52.38 | dvs | heh |
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| 00:52.51 | dvs | abrotman: you're so practical. ;-) |
| 00:52.51 | Muisje | What part of important was so hard to get? |
| 00:53.08 | Muisje | How can i get debian to read accurate temperatures? |
| 00:53.15 | ironfroggy | how safe is a dist-upgrade on a remote server i dont own and have no access to if it doesnt come back up? |
| 00:53.16 | abrotman | dvs: you see .. this is just the way i am .. |
| 00:53.23 | dvs | I C |
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| 00:53.42 | stew | ironfroggy: by dist-upgrade, what do you mean? moving from sarge->etch? |
| 00:53.46 | Muisje | My mobo will automaticly shut down at 75 degree's celcius so my CPU can't be hotter then 75 degree's celcius so why is debian reading it to be 82-87 degree's celcius? |
| 00:53.49 | dvs | stew: yes |
| 00:54.12 | stew | ironfroggy: are you booting from sata? |
| 00:54.20 | stew | ironfroggy: are you following the procedure in the release notes? |
| 00:54.24 | spheard | karsten: well, Im not big enuf to hold any sway with them. they do not want to run on anything other than red hat. so there outta there so to say. I dont mind paying for software but I want it to run on the platform of my choice. Im not about to start buying RHEL licencies. Im not really after any specific functionality. I just want a stable web based groupware/mail platform that I can throw to customers as a sweetner. I want it to be able to |
| 00:54.39 | ironfroggy | stew: i dont have a clue about the hardware |
| 00:54.43 | ironfroggy | i dont even know what country the server is in. |
| 00:54.53 | stew | ironfroggy: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 00:54.55 | dvs | stew: it sounds like they had some sarge CDs hanging around and they just used those |
| 00:55.00 | abrotman | stew: 2.4.27 |
| 00:55.04 | ironfroggy | stew: by dist-upgrade i mean that thing abrotman said i need to do. |
| 00:55.06 | Muisje | Ow fine, don't help me. |
| 00:55.10 | abrotman | stew: http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/4890?__session_just_started__=1 |
| 00:55.12 | spheard | Muisje: obviously debian and your case are calibrated differently |
| 00:55.12 | abrotman | stew: his paste |
| 00:55.19 | karsten | spheard: At least communicate your preference, it does matter. |
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| 00:55.39 | pipeline | Muisje: Temperature data is basically bullshit. |
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| 00:55.44 | pipeline | Muisje: those numbers are totally uncalibrated. |
| 00:55.49 | pipeline | Muisje: Also, your motherboard may simply not work. |
| 00:56.00 | Muisje | pipeline it just shut down |
| 00:56.04 | stew | ironfroggy: you should determine if it is booting off sata, if it is, the move from 2.4->2.6 is tricky becuase device names change from /dev/hdx to /dev/sdx |
| 00:56.05 | pipeline | Muisje: by and large, heat damage isn't an issue: Your CPU will cause the system to crash before you damage anything. |
| 00:56.08 | Muisje | Because the CPU hit 75 degree's |
| 00:56.25 | abrotman | oh i know .. CHECK THE BIOS |
| 00:56.28 | ironfroggy | stew: in other words, i should make the host do it. |
| 00:56.28 | spheard | Muisje: thats hardware buddy |
| 00:56.36 | Muisje | i told you it's at 70 - 72 |
| 00:56.41 | Muisje | I need to get debian |
| 00:56.45 | pipeline | Muisje: the numbers are bullshit anyway |
| 00:56.47 | stew | ironfroggy: you should first see if you can boot a sarge 2.6.8 kernel |
| 00:56.48 | Muisje | TO read the actual TEMPERATURE. |
| 00:57.00 | abrotman | Muisje: and what are you using to read the tmep in debian ? |
| 00:57.01 | ironfroggy | stew: i cant boot anything. |
| 00:57.03 | pipeline | Muisje: A CPU isn't going to work at 70C. Non-issue |
| 00:57.06 | Muisje | The case said 57, but it can't be right. |
| 00:57.07 | spheard | Muisje: immerse the computer in vegatable oil |
| 00:57.08 | abrotman | since you don't actually give us any details |
| 00:57.09 | ironfroggy | i have no such access. |
| 00:57.17 | Muisje | Debian said 83-87 |
| 00:57.19 | pipeline | Muisje: That seems much more likely: Like I said, your CPU won't work at 70C. |
| 00:57.21 | Muisje | which can't be right either |
| 00:57.23 | pipeline | Muisje: It will bomb the fuck out. |
| 00:57.24 | ironfroggy | well, maybe i should check on the off chance that their web services provide some remote power features. |
| 00:57.26 | ironfroggy | but i doubt it |
| 00:57.28 | spheard | karsten: sorry, preferance? |
| 00:57.37 | Muisje | the system just shut down because it hit 75 degrees celcius |
| 00:57.41 | abrotman | woohoo! |
| 00:57.42 | pipeline | ironfroggy: yes, definitely |
| 00:57.48 | Muisje | pipeline its an AMD athlon XP 3000+ |
| 00:57.49 | pipeline | Muisje: No, it shut down because some arbitrary reading said "75" |
| 00:57.53 | Muisje | Those things get hot. |
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| 00:58.07 | abrotman | athlon XP have an internal diode IIRC |
| 00:58.12 | pipeline | Muisje: And? That doesn't mean they magically function at 70C. Those fuckers will just stop dead considerably lower than that. |
| 00:58.22 | magyar | hi, why does backup speed vary when backing up two different partitions to a scsi DAT tape-drive? |
| 00:58.27 | pipeline | abrotman: In-package thermistor, yes. It's quite accurate, just the numbers don't mean anything. |
| 00:58.34 | pipeline | abrotman: It's a relative measure of heat :P |
| 00:58.39 | abrotman | magyar: compression ? |
| 00:58.41 | Muisje | pipeline i'm trying to get DEBIAN to read the ACTUAL temperatures |
| 00:58.51 | pipeline | Muisje: There isn't an "actual" temperature. |
| 00:58.52 | Muisje | and with ACTUAL i mean the temperatures the bios reads. |
| 00:58.57 | pipeline | Muisje: The number is quite arbitrary. |
| 00:59.01 | magyar | abrotman: no compression |
| 00:59.03 | abrotman | Muisje: WHAT PROGRAM ARE YOU USING? |
| 00:59.04 | spheard | Muisje: you cant do that, you have no way of calibrating. |
| 00:59.13 | Muisje | abrotman i told you that: acpi -t and mbmon |
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| 00:59.23 | abrotman | you didn't tell me |
| 00:59.28 | ironfroggy | should i loose some faith in the host if they are running debian and pointing me to redhat.com for "linux support"? |
| 00:59.30 | Muisje | i did, want me to scroll up? |
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| 01:00.00 | abrotman | you didn't prefix my nick AFAIK ... though it might have been |
| 01:00.01 | spheard | Muisje: the thing will be a deamon measuring a step up and a step down. its not the motherboard telling the software I am at 55 degrees |
| 01:00.03 | pipeline | Muisje: If I had to guess, I would assume that mbmon is showing you an uncalibrated value, and the motherboard's BIOS is showing you a value offset by a totally arbitrary amount. Both numbers don't mean shit. |
| 01:00.05 | abrotman | ass .. fucking don't msg me |
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| 01:00.21 | stew | abrotman: no name calling |
| 01:00.42 | abrotman | doesn't matter .. he's now on /ig |
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| 01:01.26 | Muisje | pipeline my MB does mean anything. |
| 01:02.02 | Muisje | If my MB reads it as 75 or higher |
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| 01:02.02 | Muisje | It will shut down! |
| 01:02.02 | pipeline | Muisje: That has no correspondence with reality. It's an arbitrary number. |
| 01:02.02 | pipeline | Muisje: Just disable that function. |
| 01:02.09 | pipeline | Muisje: The CPU will either a.) crash or b.) disable itself before you damage anything due to heat. |
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| 01:02.21 | pipeline | Muisje: Monitoring temperatures is a waste of time. |
| 01:02.24 | Muisje | All i need is to get debian to read the same or similar arbitrary number |
| 01:02.47 | Muisje | pipeline athlon XP's settings are determined by the motherboard |
| 01:02.48 | Muisje | ... |
| 01:03.11 | Muisje | I ain't worried about the CPU becoming too hot |
| 01:03.30 | Muisje | I'm worried about debian not detecting the same number. |
| 01:03.33 | Muisje | And i need the same number in order to be able to fix it myself |
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| 01:04.09 | martman__ | im having some problems installing bugzilla. anyone mind taking a look at what apt says? http://paste.debian.net/28712 |
| 01:04.27 | Muisje | So could anyone PLEASE help me |
| 01:04.34 | Muisje | get those numbers synced in any way? |
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| 01:04.49 | abrotman | martman__: checkedc the BTS ? |
| 01:04.57 | Muisje | And sorry about the enter's. You can't imagine how stressed out this is making me. |
| 01:05.02 | amphi | Muisje: what numbers? you think that acpi -t is reporting the wrong number? |
| 01:05.03 | rxKaffee | I have several user groups created for www daemons, for some reason they were created as low-gid entrys(they're in the 105-120 range), is there a way to bump them up to 1000+gid without having to chmod every file associated with the groups? |
| 01:05.13 | pipeline | rxKaffee: No. |
| 01:05.14 | Muisje | acpi -t aswell as mbmon |
| 01:05.14 | martman__ | abrotman BTS? |
| 01:05.24 | abrotman | !bts |
| 01:05.24 | dpkg | from memory, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 01:05.35 | pipeline | rxKaffee: Use GNU find | xargs to do the chmod. Easier that way. |
| 01:05.46 | rxKaffee | figured would prb be the route |
| 01:05.55 | rxKaffee | is there any real harm in low gid than breaking convention? |
| 01:05.58 | abrotman | pipeline: -exec ? |
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| 01:06.16 | pipeline | abrotman: -exec is for chumps |
| 01:06.21 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 01:06.21 | Muisje | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:06.30 | Muisje | The only problem is, The CPU can't be that hot |
| 01:06.42 | amphi | Muisje: why not? |
| 01:06.49 | Muisje | It just can't be. Cause it would deactivate the system |
| 01:07.02 | Muisje | Those numbers are wrong, atleast 9 degree's off |
| 01:07.19 | amphi | Muisje: my pentum m would go over 70C under load, before I undervolted it |
| 01:07.28 | pipeline | amphi: no, it would report 70C |
| 01:07.33 | karsten | rxKaffee: How low? |
| 01:07.36 | Muisje | amphi it's not having any LOAD at this time. |
| 01:07.37 | pipeline | amphi: not th esame thing at all |
| 01:07.40 | martman__ | im not seeing anything useful on bugzillas BTS |
| 01:07.42 | amphi | Muisje: the thermal cutout is at 90C according to /proc/acpi |
| 01:07.53 | Muisje | load average: 0.00, 0.02, 0.00 |
| 01:07.55 | rxKaffee | karsten: gid's range from 105-120 for the www groups in equestion |
| 01:08.06 | Muisje | amphi that's to prevent CPU's from being burned |
| 01:08.22 | Muisje | Imagine my CPU between 79 and 87 degree's according to debian |
| 01:08.25 | amphi | Muisje: makes no odds if you're using, say, the 'performance' cpufreq governator, that'll keep the cpu running at full blast regardless |
| 01:08.49 | Muisje | that's 3 more degree's from the crashpoint |
| 01:08.54 | amphi | Muisje: what do you mean 'according to debian'? according to acpi perhaps |
| 01:09.06 | karsten | rxKaffee: I think you're OK. Debian creates system accounts in that range, but doesn't pre-allocate any specific UIDs/GIDs (other than 0, natch). |
| 01:09.12 | Muisje | Well, if it was an ACPI read of mb |
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| 01:09.23 | Muisje | it couldn't be so hot |
| 01:09.31 | Muisje | because the MB disables as 75 degrees C |
| 01:09.32 | amphi | Muisje: what does cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM0/trip_points say? |
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| 01:10.11 | amphi | Muisje: what cpufreq governator are you using? I asked you before, but you didn't answer, I don't think |
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| 01:10.41 | amphi | Muisje: my trip_points says "passive: 90 C: tc1=5 tc2=4 tsp=600 devices=0xdfb90338" and "critical (S5): 93 C" |
| 01:10.45 | Muisje | nothing amphi |
| 01:11.14 | Muisje | i need the server to be able to tell it's temperature |
| 01:11.18 | amphi | Muisje: well, have a look around in /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/ |
| 01:11.25 | Muisje | so i can forward it and hook it up to an aircooler |
| 01:11.37 | amphi | Muisje: we have nothing beyond your assertion that acpi is misreporting |
| 01:11.58 | Muisje | amphi, the motherboard will disable the system at 75 degrees C |
| 01:12.00 | Muisje | it's the shutdown temperature |
| 01:12.37 | amphi | Muisje: how do you know? and why so low? AFAIK, amds run hotter than intels, and my default thermal cutoff is, as you see, 93C |
| 01:13.05 | Muisje | amphi, because the motherboard can't handle higher |
| 01:13.32 | amphi | Muisje: how do you know? |
| 01:13.50 | Muisje | because i read the specs of my motherboard aswell as my cpu? |
| 01:13.55 | n3kl | amphi: he prob looked it up |
| 01:14.01 | amphi | Muisje: did you look around in /proc/acpi/thermal_zone to see if you can find anything relevant? |
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| 01:14.32 | martman__ | im having some problems installing bugzilla. anyone mind taking a look at what apt says? http://paste.debian.net/28712 |
| 01:14.38 | Muisje | i'll do that now hold on a sec |
| 01:14.40 | Muisje | can't do everything at once |
| 01:15.07 | amphi | an amd board shutting off at 75C? it must shut off before it's finished booting ;) |
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| 01:17.36 | Muisje | acpi reads it at the high temperatures which the motherboard would never allow / be able to handle |
| 01:18.08 | Muisje | I removed the case sidewall cause else it would've probably shutdown by now (again). |
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| 01:18.33 | Muisje | also amphi |
| 01:18.37 | Muisje | my trippoints are 75 degree's |
| 01:18.47 | Muisje | lemme get a pastebin 1 sec. |
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| 01:19.52 | amphi | Muisje: are, well, there you go - both 'passive' and 'critical'? |
| 01:20.16 | Muisje | http://www.pastebin.ca/506514 |
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| 01:21.14 | Muisje | after removing the case the temperature dropped with 10 degrees, giving me some more time to find out a way to get debian to tell the real temperature |
| 01:21.56 | Muisje | Anyway |
| 01:21.59 | Muisje | it's 3:20 am here |
| 01:22.04 | Muisje | I'll be back tomorrow |
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| 01:22.28 | itchi | Is there a thermal sensor on every decent cpu? |
| 01:22.38 | Muisje | itchi :D |
| 01:22.53 | itchi | Muisje: You need to fetch beer or go sleep :-p |
| 01:22.55 | Muisje | maybe you can help me |
| 01:22.57 | abrotman | recent ones .. AFAIK .. yes |
| 01:23.07 | itchi | Muisje: I dunno, i have followed your mess btw :-p |
| 01:23.57 | itchi | Muisje: I don't know the problem you have nor can help you to fix it :-s |
| 01:24.17 | Muisje | Awww, then i'll be back tomorrow :p |
| 01:24.28 | Muisje | Goodnight all. |
| 01:24.39 | itchi | Muisje: Sleep well ;-) You need it, i'm sure |
| 01:24.40 | itchi | arg |
| 01:24.46 | itchi | :-p |
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| 01:25.49 | n3kl | Anyone know of nvraid is software raid? |
| 01:25.54 | itchi | abrotman: Dunno how it come, but looks like there's not on my duo core here :-( |
| 01:26.10 | abrotman | itchi: huh ? |
| 01:26.29 | nils_ | kind of ;) |
| 01:26.30 | martman__ | im having some problems installing bugzilla. anyone mind taking a look at what apt says? http://paste.debian.net/28712 |
| 01:26.47 | itchi | abrotman: /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/ is empty, acpi -t says me No support for device type: thermal mbmon say there's no sensor too. |
| 01:26.57 | abrotman | martman__: which version of debian ? |
| 01:27.06 | abrotman | itchi: do you have the module loaded ? |
| 01:27.21 | martman__ | abrotman stable |
| 01:27.28 | itchi | abrotman: The thermal ? Yes, that one |
| 01:27.49 | abrotman | itchi: mine has it .. it's four years old .. i'm sure yours does |
| 01:28.02 | itchi | abrotman: A bit more as 4 months here |
| 01:28.28 | itchi | My first new laptop :-) |
| 01:28.38 | abrotman | martman__: in the /var/lib/dpkg/info/bugzilla.postinst .. is there a sed command in the script ? |
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| 01:29.54 | martman__ | abrotman yes, "sed -r \" |
| 01:30.07 | abrotman | any others ? |
| 01:30.10 | itchi | martman__: Pastebing that sed line?? |
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| 01:30.44 | Nach | Was Xorg's directories and config file styles changed recently? |
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| 01:31.27 | abrotman | martman__: it's also the five lines under that |
| 01:31.31 | martman__ | itchi line 3 http://paste.debian.net/28716 |
| 01:31.45 | karsten | Nach: Not that I'm aware. How recently is recently? |
| 01:31.52 | martman__ | abrotman i think thats it, just one |
| 01:32.07 | abrotman | martman__: yes .. but the next five lines are part of the command |
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| 01:32.38 | itchi | abrotman: Is it the line number 5 ? |
| 01:32.42 | Nach | karsten: this past week? |
| 01:32.49 | abrotman | not in mine .. it's line 53 for me |
| 01:32.57 | karsten | Nach: Details? Again, not that I'm aware. |
| 01:33.00 | Nach | Since now install nvidia drivers, the install seems to be going nuts |
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| 01:33.04 | itchi | abrotman: Look the link he gave me http://paste.debian.net/28716 |
| 01:33.10 | Nach | it says how all the directories are wrong or something |
| 01:33.14 | n3kl | do I need to create the partitions on each hard drive before creating the array with mdadm? I was under the impression that the partition would span the drives. |
| 01:33.21 | abrotman | itchi: oh .. yeah .. line five in that :) |
| 01:33.25 | Nach | and on loading X, it can't find the drivers or modules anymore |
| 01:33.50 | Nach | xorg.conf seems to no longer have a modules or files section either |
| 01:33.58 | itchi | martman__: Comment that line?? |
| 01:34.06 | xoz | Nach: sid? |
| 01:34.09 | gravity | \o/ |
| 01:34.15 | Nach | xoz: yes |
| 01:34.23 | gravity | Nach: Yeah, we stopped writing that because the server should default to the right place |
| 01:34.27 | gravity | Nach: You can add it if you like |
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| 01:34.52 | martman__ | itchi comment that line out your mean? |
| 01:34.55 | gravity | Nach: But more realistically, can you just post your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to a pastebin so we can diagnose the problem? |
| 01:34.58 | Nach | gravity: well, was /usr/X11R6/lib changed to /usr/lib/xorg? |
| 01:35.11 | gravity | Nach: Yes, with Xorg 7.0 |
| 01:35.13 | Nach | gravity: well I told nvidia's installer about the new location |
| 01:35.15 | itchi | martman__: Yeah, sorry. I'm looking in the bts, that should be know i guess |
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| 01:35.31 | Nach | now it just freezes when loading module GLX according to the log |
| 01:35.38 | gravity | ick |
| 01:35.44 | gravity | I don't know what nvidia's installer is doing |
| 01:36.07 | itchi | martman__: You may report it anyway if it's not yet done. Look's like it is not yet reported, but look |
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| 01:36.17 | gravity | Nach: Are you sure it put its glx in the right place? |
| 01:36.29 | Nach | I told it about the new location |
| 01:36.34 | gravity | /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions |
| 01:36.38 | Nach | yes |
| 01:36.41 | gravity | Nach: Right, but that doesn't mean it did the right thing |
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| 01:36.58 | gravity | I don't think we broke nvidia, but maybe we did... |
| 01:37.43 | Nach | here's the log: |
| 01:37.45 | Nach | http://pastebin.ca/506526 |
| 01:38.25 | Nach | and the modules extensions directory has in it: libdbe.so libdri.so libextmod.so libglx.so libglx.so.1.0.9755 librecord.so libxtrap.so |
| 01:38.25 | abrotman | martman__: that sed command looks fine to me |
| 01:38.50 | itchi | abrotman: Yeah, for me too, but i'm not that good heh :-p |
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| 01:39.41 | martman__ | hmmm |
| 01:39.44 | Nach | drivers has in it: ati_drv.so fbdev_drv.so nv_drv.so r128_drv.so s3_drv.so vesa_drv.so via_drv.so atimisc_drv.so glint_drv.so nvidia_drv.so radeon_drv.so v4l_drv.so vga_drv.so |
| 01:40.06 | Nach | nv loads fine, but looks bad for some reason, nvidia was always fantastic, but no longer works :( |
| 01:40.24 | martman__ | think maybe i have the wrong sed for some reason? not gnu sed? |
| 01:40.29 | itchi | martman__: I may sugest to fish the bts |
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| 01:41.56 | DawnLight | just dropped in to declare that debian is cool |
| 01:41.59 | Nach | gravity: any clue why X isn't starting with nvidia? |
| 01:42.20 | Guerin | DawnLight: we know already |
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| 01:42.38 | gravity | Nach: Yeah, probably: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/ReleaseNotes |
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| 01:42.45 | gravity | Nach: It looks like nvidia needs an update |
| 01:42.56 | abrotman | martman__: how would you not have gnu sed ? |
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| 01:43.00 | abrotman | !maint bugzilla etch |
| 01:43.02 | dpkg | bugzilla: Debian Webapps Team <webapps-common-packages@lists.alioth.debian.org> |
| 01:43.18 | martman__ | abrotman not a clue. looks liek theres jist one package and i have it |
| 01:43.24 | gravity | I seriously need to blog about this page... |
| 01:43.40 | gravity | !sidxorg is http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/ReleaseNotes |
| 01:43.40 | dpkg | gravity: okay |
| 01:43.54 | gravity | Guys, that page is gold! |
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| 01:44.11 | Wyzard | gravity: hmm... nvidia problems in sid? |
| 01:44.15 | Wyzard | gravity: FWIW, it's working fine for me |
| 01:44.19 | smacnay | Is gaim going to become pidgin in the Deb repositories? |
| 01:44.22 | abrotman | gravity: i'm sorry .. if you don't blog about it .. it just doesn't exist |
| 01:44.35 | gravity | heh |
| 01:44.48 | martman__ | abrotman the 2nd sed command, it only has to 2 quotes, the rest have 6 |
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| 01:44.52 | abrotman | Wyzard: dunno if you're interested btw but i noticed a flyer a bit ago .. http://www.meetlinux.com/philly/ |
| 01:44.58 | martman__ | or maybe im blind today |
| 01:45.06 | Wyzard | abrotman: hmm, looks interesting |
| 01:45.10 | gravity | Wyzard: I don't know, we did have some reports |
| 01:45.17 | Wyzard | abrotman: I went to a LUG meeting in Philadelphia once, years ago |
| 01:45.25 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:45.32 | abrotman | martman__: you can try ot make it match if you want |
| 01:45.33 | gravity | Nach: You should probably be using the debian packages instead of the installer off the nvidia website anyway |
| 01:45.41 | gravity | Nach: It helps prevent fuckages like this |
| 01:46.15 | Wyzard | gravity: I upgraded to 2.6.21 and rebooted yesterday so I'm pretty sure I'm running the latest xorg packages, and I didn't see anything wrong |
| 01:46.16 | gravity | Wyzard: Ok, well that's good. |
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| 01:46.45 | Wyzard | gravity: and I'm glad to see that the nVidia/paravirt issue is fixed in 2.6.21 :-) |
| 01:46.55 | Nach | gravity: I didn't find any installable debian packages for nvidia drivers |
| 01:46.56 | itchi | martman__: Did you find a report about it? Me not :-( |
| 01:47.02 | Wyzard | Nach: They're in non-free |
| 01:47.04 | hatta | so I need some help with the GRUB |
| 01:47.04 | abrotman | Wyzard: i didn't know if you'd want to go or not .. but thought you might be intesested |
| 01:47.20 | Nach | Wyzard: I have non-free installed, I still find no installable packages for nvidia drivers |
| 01:47.21 | hatta | I set it up like so: http://pastebin.ca/506530 |
| 01:47.38 | hatta | and it gives me a menu.1st: http://pastebin.ca/506540 |
| 01:47.39 | Wyzard | Nach: nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-source |
| 01:47.45 | hatta | but when I reboot I just get the plain old grub prompt |
| 01:47.47 | martman__ | itchi nope |
| 01:47.48 | itchi | martman__: I may say to write that second line 'like' the others. I suspected that line too |
| 01:47.54 | hatta | what do I do? |
| 01:47.55 | Wyzard | !tell nach about nvidia one-liner |
| 01:48.07 | hatta | how do I trouble shoot it? |
| 01:48.15 | Nach | gravity: I read that page just now on Debian wiki, it says stuff is going into the wrong place, but I ran the installer in expert mode and forced it into the right place, so that can't be why it's breaking |
| 01:48.38 | gravity | Nach: hrm |
| 01:49.30 | Nach | Wyzard: the one liner is cute, but it doesn't work |
| 01:50.14 | gravity | Nach: Could you post the logfile? |
| 01:50.18 | gravity | The X server logfile |
| 01:50.25 | Nach | gravity: didn't I just do that? |
| 01:50.26 | Wyzard | !tell nach about doesn't work |
| 01:50.38 | gravity | Nach: Sorry, I missed it. Could you give the url again? |
| 01:50.50 | Nach | Wyzard: as I told you before, it can't find any installable packages |
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| 01:51.01 | gravity | Ah, never mind. Just got it. |
| 01:51.17 | itchi | hatta: Did you do update-grub ? |
| 01:51.28 | Nach | Wyzard: I get E: Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-2.6-smp |
| 01:51.29 | Wyzard | Nach: Either you don't have non-free in your sources.list, or you haven't done "apt-get update" since then |
| 01:51.43 | gravity | Nach: I don't know. This is weird. It's definitely an nvidia-specific problem. It finds the module and loads it ok |
| 01:51.52 | hatta | itchi, no |
| 01:51.53 | Nach | or I get: nvidia-glx: Depends: nvidia-kernel-1.0.9755 but it is not installable |
| 01:52.02 | Nach | and you're wrong on both accounts of the non-free issue |
| 01:52.07 | gravity | This is outside of xorg |
| 01:52.09 | Wyzard | Nach: The nvidia-kernel package is built locally on your own system, from the files in nvidia-kernel-source, by module-assistant |
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| 01:52.18 | gravity | So that means I'm out of my element. Sorry :-\ |
| 01:52.33 | Wyzard | Nach: Are you on i386 or amd64? |
| 01:52.55 | Nach | amd64 |
| 01:53.30 | Wyzard | then those packages should definitely be in non-free for you |
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| 01:53.46 | Nach | well, it's not finding anything it can install |
| 01:53.52 | Wyzard | but the error message you mentioned tells me you tried to install nvidia-glx without building nvidia-kernel first |
| 01:54.31 | gravity | Nach: this is Debian unstable, right? Not some variant distro? |
| 01:54.32 | Nach | Wyzard: and the other one tells you the package doesn't exist |
| 01:54.38 | Nach | gravity: yes of course |
| 01:54.44 | Wyzard | Nach: It doesn't exist in the Debian archive, yes |
| 01:54.50 | Nach | and as shown here: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=nvidia-kernel-2.6-smp&searchon=names&subword=1&version=unstable&release=non-free it doesn't exist |
| 01:54.50 | Wyzard | Nach: because it's built locally on your own system |
| 01:54.54 | gravity | That's really weird. Those packages are very much in non-free |
| 01:55.01 | Nach | Wyzard: your one liner tries to install that |
| 01:55.05 | Wyzard | gravity: not the compiled kernel module |
| 01:55.08 | n3kl | I created a raid array using the command mdadm --create /dev/md0 --level=5 --raid-devices=3 /dev/sd[abc]. Now when I cat /proc/mdstat, it shows the array, so I created a file system the array. Now, how do I make sure it survives a reboot? |
| 01:55.09 | Nach | so I don't know what you mean it's supposed to be local |
| 01:55.11 | gravity | Wyzard: Aha |
| 01:55.51 | Wyzard | Nach: ah, the one-liner mentions "Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>" |
| 01:56.04 | Wyzard | !tell Nach about nvidia_post_etch |
| 01:56.49 | Nach | nvidia-kernel-source: Depends: dpatch (>= 2.0.0) but it is not going to be installed |
| 01:56.53 | Nach | no worky on that either |
| 01:56.56 | Wyzard | Nach: etch apparently has prebuilt nvidia-kernel packages |
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| 01:57.26 | Wyzard | hmm... "not going to be installed" means it thinks there's some sort of dependency problem preventing it from automatically installing dpatch |
| 01:57.49 | Wyzard | Anyway, you should install "build-essential" first -- that pulls in all the dependencies for stuff building packages |
| 01:58.30 | Nach | I'm a programmer, I've had build-essential and more installed on this machine since day |
| 01:58.31 | Nach | 1 |
| 01:58.58 | Wyzard | ok |
| 01:59.10 | xoz | update and distupgrade... or wait until sid stabilizes the depends package |
| 01:59.16 | Wyzard | Well, installing nvidia-kernel-source should automatically and uneventfully pull in dpatch |
| 01:59.29 | Wyzard | The fact that apt says dpatch is "not going to be installed" means it thinks it's not possible to install it |
| 01:59.35 | Nach | Wyzard: well something is broken :/ |
| 01:59.36 | Wyzard | Try installing dpatch directly and see what it says about why it can't |
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| 01:59.47 | PingFloyd | you can try apt-get build-dep |
| 02:00.03 | Wyzard | PingFloyd: That's not necessary here |
| 02:00.19 | Wyzard | nvidia-kernel-source's regular dependencies are adequate |
| 02:00.26 | Nach | hmm, I'm getting a bug with libc6-dev-i386 |
| 02:00.29 | xoz | !info dpatch sid |
| 02:00.31 | dpkg | dpatch: (patch maintenance system for Debian source packages), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.0.23 (sid), Packaged size: 82 kB, Installed size: 312 kB |
| 02:00.41 | Wyzard | yeah, I got that too -- that's a new bug in sid today |
| 02:01.01 | Wyzard | looks harmless though |
| 02:01.18 | Nach | well, that's what I'm getting on why dpatch won't install >_> |
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| 02:02.14 | Wyzard | What exactly does apt say when you try to install dpatch? |
| 02:03.04 | cilkay | Hello. On Mandriva, I had modified /etc/init.d/postgresql so that the first time initdb was executed, it would create all the databases with UNICODE encoding like so: su -l postgres -s /bin/sh -c "/usr/bin/initdb -E UNICODE --pgdata=$PGDATA > /dev/null 2>&1" < /dev/null |
| 02:03.10 | cilkay | How do I do something like that in Debian? |
| 02:03.25 | bpun | cilkay, #mandriva |
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| 02:03.36 | cilkay | Reading comprehension problems? |
| 02:03.40 | Wyzard | cilkay: IIRC, when you install the postgresql package it'll ask you what encoding to use by default for databases |
| 02:03.56 | cilkay | Wyzard: it never asked such a thing. |
| 02:03.57 | Wyzard | so you shouldn't need to manually script anything |
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| 02:04.00 | bpun | cilkay, no, but rtfm |
| 02:04.08 | cilkay | moron |
| 02:04.20 | Wyzard | hmm... it used to, at least |
| 02:04.21 | itchi | cilkay: please! |
| 02:04.26 | Ronin | ahh its sunday all ready? |
| 02:04.26 | abrotman | Wyzard: it still does |
| 02:04.31 | abrotman | Ronin: all week! |
| 02:04.37 | bpun | cilkay, go to #mandriva |
| 02:04.39 | Ronin | ack |
| 02:04.39 | asg | Ronin: these days, it's always Sunday |
| 02:04.48 | abrotman | bpun: he's asking abut debian |
| 02:04.53 | Ronin | bpun: he's asking, never mind |
| 02:05.09 | bpun | abrotman, or is he? |
| 02:05.14 | Ronin | bpun: yes he is |
| 02:05.15 | itchi | I will agree that it is sunday every day, IF and if, it's all days free too :-p |
| 02:05.18 | abrotman | <cilkay> How do I do something like that in Debian? |
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| 02:05.21 | abrotman | bpun: ^^ |
| 02:05.25 | Ronin | damn it abrotman |
| 02:05.34 | abrotman | Ronin: can i get a beer .. or cookie? |
| 02:05.40 | Wyzard | Nach: The libc6-dev-i386 issue should be resolvable with "dpkg -i --force-overwrite" if necessary |
| 02:05.41 | Ronin | !beer abrotman |
| 02:05.52 | abrotman | i had franziskaner on saturday |
| 02:05.58 | abrotman | and schieder ... |
| 02:06.01 | abrotman | and atomium |
| 02:06.05 | Ronin | the special bitter is still too young |
| 02:06.14 | itchi | abrotman: Already tried 'Pisang Ambon'? |
| 02:06.22 | itchi | Man, that's good :-) |
| 02:06.27 | abrotman | itchi: dunno if that place has it |
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| 02:06.54 | abrotman | cilkay: anyways .. dpkg-reconfigure --plow <pkg> (the server package in this case) .. see if it asks you about encoding stuff |
| 02:07.30 | cilkay | abrotman: NOt sure if that will help once the cluster has been created. I don't think you can change the default encoding after it has been initialized. |
| 02:07.30 | Wyzard | abrotman: That won't (afaik) affect the template0 and template1 databases which have already been created, though |
| 02:07.36 | itchi | cilkay: Btw, you may look to the package configure-debian |
| 02:07.38 | abrotman | cilkay: AFAIK .. you can't |
| 02:07.49 | abrotman | cilkay: do you have other DBs ? |
| 02:07.50 | gravity | \o/ |
| 02:08.18 | cilkay | abrotman: not yet but I want template1 to be UNICODE so that I don't have to explicitly specify it for every db I create. |
| 02:08.23 | Ronin | that bored gravity ? |
| 02:08.28 | gravity | Ronin: Nah |
| 02:08.38 | gravity | Just trying to learn the language |
| 02:08.53 | hatta | can anyone help me with grub? |
| 02:08.56 | hatta | I don't get a menu |
| 02:09.01 | Wyzard | cilkay: There's a command to re-init the cluster that you could run after reconfiguring, though I don't remember offhand what it's called |
| 02:09.11 | itchi | hatta: What did you to get it so? |
| 02:09.16 | abrotman | cilkay: let me try |
| 02:09.21 | cilkay | thanks |
| 02:09.22 | Wyzard | cilkay: but the reason you didn't get asked about it in the first place is probably due to your debconf configuration, being set to too high a priority or something |
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| 02:09.29 | abrotman | damn yankees |
| 02:09.42 | itchi | hatta: Or maybe, why do you play with that stuff 'manually'? |
| 02:09.49 | Wyzard | gravity: A few months ago I was thinking about writing a program to analyze my car's gas mileage as a way to learn Haskell, though I haven't really had any time to work on it |
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| 02:09.55 | hatta | manually? is there another way to do it? |
| 02:09.59 | gravity | heh |
| 02:10.07 | abrotman | Wyzard: maybe because you spend it all here? :) |
| 02:10.29 | abrotman | supported_versions: WARNING: Unknown Debian release: 4.0r0 |
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| 02:10.34 | itchi | hatta: What are you doing? |
| 02:10.42 | Wyzard | gravity: I've been keeping track of date, time, odometer reading, brand, and amount pumped, every time I refill -- in principle I could calculate miles per gallon, miles per dollar, and things like which brand of gas gives better performance |
| 02:10.44 | cilkay | Wyzard: I installed Etch via debootstrap so there would have been no opportunity to answer any questions about debconf config. |
| 02:10.51 | abrotman | Wyzard: didn't ask me either |
| 02:10.54 | gravity | Wyzard: Aha |
| 02:10.58 | gravity | Sounds like a fairly easy program |
| 02:11.10 | abrotman | cilkay: trying to do what again ? |
| 02:11.11 | hatta | I had a power outage last night, today the computer wouldn't boot, I booted to a live CD to check that the partitions were OK, they were |
| 02:11.15 | hatta | so I figured it was grub |
| 02:11.21 | hatta | so I google "fix grub" |
| 02:11.24 | cilkay | I installed PG later, after I installed locales and set the default locale to en_CA.UTF-8 |
| 02:11.27 | Wyzard | gravity: It'd be fairly easy in something like C++ that I have lots of experience with, but I think it'd be good practice for Haskell |
| 02:11.34 | gravity | Wyzard: Yeah |
| 02:11.43 | abrotman | cilkay: eh? |
| 02:11.44 | abrotman | :) |
| 02:11.44 | gravity | Simple IO coupled with basic math |
| 02:11.47 | hatta | and I do this: http://pastebin.ca/506530 |
| 02:11.48 | itchi | hatta: Which fs? |
| 02:11.52 | hatta | ext3 |
| 02:11.58 | gravity | You could even add in something like the maybe monad |
| 02:12.04 | cilkay | abrotman: I want to have the default encoding on PG to be UNICODE. |
| 02:12.11 | bpun | anyone has debian on arm processor? |
| 02:12.23 | abrotman | !arm |
| 02:12.23 | dpkg | well, arm is Advanced RISC Machine, a processor architecture, or http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ or best supported in #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net |
| 02:12.29 | abrotman | cilkay: why? |
| 02:12.30 | cilkay | abrotman: according to the PG docs, it will default to SQL_ASCII if it can't figure out what the locale in the environment is. |
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| 02:12.57 | cilkay | abrotman: because all my other instances are UNICODE. Why not? |
| 02:13.03 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 02:13.15 | Wyzard | gravity: I was thinking about that, actually -- since I only know how much gas was *used* since my last refill if I filled up completely last time -- the amount used is the amount I put in this time -- so I'd need to keep track of whether each refill was "all the way", and use Maybe to account for that in the program |
| 02:13.15 | abrotman | mine seems to have defaulted to my shell's encoding |
| 02:13.18 | cilkay | I have to support non ASCII character sets. |
| 02:13.19 | grim76 | Has anyone ran into issues using Debian on a Gateway server. (As in the company Gateway) |
| 02:13.27 | abrotman | cilkay: UTF can do that |
| 02:13.40 | gravity | Wyzard: I'm not sure if Maybe is appropriate for that. Maybe Either |
| 02:13.44 | cilkay | abrotman: yes, I noticed that on the Etch machine I'm using now too. |
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| 02:14.00 | Wyzard | gravity: Possibly, I dunno... I haven't thought about it in a few months |
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| 02:14.03 | gravity | hehe |
| 02:14.15 | gravity | Wyzard: I've been whittling away at learning it over the past few months when I've got time. |
| 02:14.21 | itchi | hatta: Have you tried to rewrite the MBR? |
| 02:14.27 | cilkay | abrotman: UTF or UNICODE - don't care. I just don't want SQL_ASCII |
| 02:14.43 | Wyzard | gravity: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Programming:Haskell is pretty informative, if you haven't seen it already |
| 02:14.44 | hatta | itchi, isn't that what "setup (hd0)" does? |
| 02:14.47 | abrotman | cilkay: refresh my memory .. how to get the default encoding ? |
| 02:14.53 | gravity | Wyzard: yeah, I've read almost all of it by now. |
| 02:14.53 | itchi | hatta: I thought |
| 02:15.13 | hatta | then yes, I have |
| 02:15.15 | cilkay | abrotman: in Debian, no idea. In Mandriva, it is set expcilitly in the init script. |
| 02:15.29 | abrotman | cilkay: i meant in pgsql :) |
| 02:15.33 | itchi | hatta: Maybe try it, somethings like grub-install /dev/hda |
| 02:15.38 | gravity | Wyzard: I don't know if you saw, but a Practical Haskell book was announced today. It'll be published by Oreilly whenit's done |
| 02:15.43 | gravity | A DD is actually helping write it |
| 02:15.47 | itchi | hatta: I'm not sure if that 'setup' does it :-s |
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| 02:15.49 | Wyzard | gravity: hmm, nifty |
| 02:16.18 | hatta | crap I have to chroot for that huh |
| 02:16.20 | Wyzard | itchi: grub-install is just a script that figures out the right device names and runs GRUB's "root" and "setup" commands for you |
| 02:16.29 | hatta | lilo was so much better |
| 02:16.44 | itchi | Wyzard: So, it may not the MBR then, what i suspected :-s |
| 02:16.52 | Wyzard | hatta: Having to rewrite the MBR code every time you install a new kernel was better? |
| 02:16.56 | abrotman | cilkay: psql template1 .. then \encoding |
| 02:16.58 | itchi | gggr, i suspected the MBR i mean |
| 02:16.59 | hatta | Wyzard, yes |
| 02:17.03 | MasterGH | hi, this is a pretty dumb question (just wanted to make sure), you only *need* the first Debian install cd right? |
| 02:17.05 | hatta | I never got stumped with lilo |
| 02:17.08 | abrotman | cilkay: mine returns UTF |
| 02:17.14 | hatta | easy text file config |
| 02:17.15 | abrotman | MasterGH: yes |
| 02:17.23 | MasterGH | thankyou! |
| 02:17.24 | hatta | with grub I'm stuck and have no idea what to do |
| 02:17.24 | Wyzard | hatta: What actually happens when you try to boot? |
| 02:17.30 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 02:17.30 | dpkg | Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 02:17.31 | hatta | I get the grub shell |
| 02:17.33 | hatta | and that's it |
| 02:17.51 | itchi | hatta: Are the device references been right? |
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| 02:18.03 | hatta | how do I check? |
| 02:18.18 | itchi | hatta: Look in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 02:18.30 | hatta | http://pastebin.ca/506540 |
| 02:18.32 | MasterGH | abrotman, just wanted to make sure (i'm downloading the xfce one you see) |
| 02:18.44 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 02:18.48 | Wyzard | hatta: If you get the GRUB shell then GRUB's MBR code is fine and reinstalling with "setup" or "grub-install" or whatever wont' make a difference |
| 02:18.49 | hatta | I don't even get to a menu |
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| 02:18.55 | abrotman | MasterGH: you'll likely want http sources after the install though |
| 02:19.00 | hatta | Wyzard, great! |
| 02:19.06 | hatta | what else could be wrong? |
| 02:19.14 | MasterGH | abrotman, yeah |
| 02:19.33 | Wyzard | hatta: Maybe the /boot filesystem got corrupted somehow and GRUB can't find its stage2 or the menu.lst file, maybe? |
| 02:20.06 | MasterGH | abrotman, I can't easily do the netinst method you see, so I wanted to find the easiest way of installing the base stuff I wanted |
| 02:20.12 | Sweetandy | I want to modify my blackbox menu, but it tells me I shouldn't since Debian automatically makes it for me. If I wanted to add my own submenu with most-used applications, for example, or a "run" dialog, can I not add it manually? |
| 02:20.17 | abrotman | MasterGH: ah ok |
| 02:20.23 | itchi | hatta: Which fs have hda2 ? |
| 02:20.27 | hatta | Wyzard, I fsck'd my /boot filesystem |
| 02:20.29 | itchi | hatta: The /boot one |
| 02:20.31 | abrotman | Sweetandy: /usr/share/doc/menu/* |
| 02:20.34 | Wyzard | hatta: I don't think that shell has a "ls" command, but it does have tab-completion -- you can type something like "kernel /" and hit tab twice to get a list of completions |
| 02:20.38 | abrotman | and maybe menu-xdg |
| 02:20.51 | MasterGH | I guess thats all, thanks and bye |
| 02:21.06 | hatta | itchi / is /dev/hda3 and /boot is /dev/hda2 |
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| 02:21.34 | Wyzard | hatta: Anyway, you can reinstall grub from your livecd: |
| 02:21.46 | abrotman | cilkay: get it ? |
| 02:21.47 | Wyzard | hatta: Run grub on the livecd, and run "root (hd0,1)" and "setup (hd0)" |
| 02:21.59 | hatta | Wyzard, that's what I did a couple hours ago |
| 02:22.05 | hatta | http://pastebin.ca/506530 |
| 02:22.08 | cilkay | abrotman: one sec |
| 02:22.21 | hatta | still just get the grub prompt |
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| 02:22.38 | Wyzard | hatta: Use the livecd to check that /boot/grub/menu.lst actually exists on that partition |
| 02:22.51 | hatta | done that too: http://pastebin.ca/506540 |
| 02:23.04 | Sweetandy | abrotman: Sure is a lot of interesting information. Thanks for the directory heads up! |
| 02:23.10 | Wyzard | hatta: Are there multiple disks in the machine? |
| 02:23.14 | hatta | yes |
| 02:23.19 | cilkay | abrotman: I had already mentioned, it's SQL_ASCII. \l shows all the databases and their encoding. |
| 02:23.20 | abrotman | Sweetandy: i haven't messed with the menus in a while .. but it is possible |
| 02:23.28 | Wyzard | hatta: Make sure the BIOS is configured to boot from the one you think it is |
| 02:23.41 | Wyzard | hatta: You might be using some old, stale, other copy of GRUB in some other drive's MBR |
| 02:23.41 | hatta | hmm |
| 02:23.47 | abrotman | Sweetandy: best part is that if you learn to do it correctly .. if anyone logs into any WM in your debian box .. they'll get the same special menu if you make it global |
| 02:23.58 | itchi | Wyzard: He got these troubles after a power failure |
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| 02:24.09 | Sweetandy | abrotman: Hmm. I was hoping just to make it in BlackBox, but universal sounds pretty good too! |
| 02:24.12 | Wyzard | itchi: That could possibly cause a BIOS to load defaults or something |
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| 02:24.37 | hatta | I'll check then |
| 02:24.54 | hatta | thankfully I have another machine to irc from |
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| 02:24.56 | bpun | hatta, by any chance is this a western-digital drive? I once got my hard drive non-bootable but rest completely functional.. |
| 02:25.03 | hatta | yes it is |
| 02:25.12 | abrotman | Sweetandy: you might be able to .. but i can't recall |
| 02:25.16 | itchi | hatta: Have it still the boot flag? |
| 02:25.20 | abrotman | Sweetandy: like i said .. been quite awhile |
| 02:25.21 | Wyzard | how would the brand of the drive affect bootability? |
| 02:25.22 | itchi | yeah, should be |
| 02:25.26 | Wyzard | GRUB doesn't care about the boot flag |
| 02:25.36 | Sweetandy | abrotman: I think this is a worthwhile endeavor - thanks. |
| 02:25.36 | bpun | hatta, i have no idea why -- you may want to ask western-digital-- it's possible it's firmware got damaged.. |
| 02:25.39 | itchi | Wyzard: Hmm, that's interesting to know |
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| 02:26.05 | Wyzard | itchi: That flag is used by Microsoft's MBR code to decide which partition to boot, but GRUB has its own way of deciding what to boot |
| 02:26.05 | Nach | Wyzard: thanks for your help, I now got the nvidia driver working from apt :) |
| 02:26.12 | Wyzard | Nach: cool :-) |
| 02:26.22 | Nach | does this dist-upgrade well? |
| 02:26.30 | Nach | or do I have to do all sorts of things to upgrade? |
| 02:26.31 | bpun | hatta, a good work around meantime is to use a floppy or another harddisk's mbr head to boot off of that drive.. |
| 02:26.40 | itchi | Wyzard: Yeah, us have good toy in the hands :-) |
| 02:26.46 | itchi | toys* |
| 02:26.49 | Wyzard | itchi: The boot flag should only be used on partitions that have boot code in their partition boot sector (i.e. would work with GRUB's "chainloader +1" mechanism)... I don't use it at all on Linux partitions |
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| 02:27.23 | bpun | hatta, wondering, so how new is this drive? the western-digital one i had was a twenty gig, and remember very well this happened to me.. |
| 02:27.27 | Wyzard | Nach: You'll have to build a new nvidia-kernel package using module-assistant if you install a new kernel, or if the driver itself gets updated to a newer version |
| 02:27.43 | Wyzard | Nach: and if the driver gets updated, the new nvidia-glx won't install until you've built the new nvidia-kernel |
| 02:27.49 | Wyzard | Nach: but it's pretty straightforward |
| 02:28.09 | bpun | hatta, ever since this happened i tried avoiding westerndigitals.. |
| 02:28.12 | Wyzard | bpun: A hard drive's only role in booting is reading data from sectors, just like it does all the time |
| 02:28.15 | Nach | Wyzard: same commands as before? |
| 02:28.20 | Wyzard | bpun: Hard drives don't do any special boot processing |
| 02:28.21 | Wyzard | Nach: yeah |
| 02:28.31 | Nach | guess I'll keep that handy then |
| 02:28.53 | bpun | Wyzard, obviously you seem to omit a few keypoints.. i'm not talking about that |
| 02:29.30 | Nach | Thanks, I appreciate it |
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| 02:32.53 | Wyzard | bpun: If the partition can be mounted and fsck'ed from a liveCD, it's not having any problems reading data |
| 02:33.19 | itchi | Weird trouble anyway |
| 02:34.09 | Wyzard | Speaking of boot sectors, I wonder... with future hard drives using 4096-byte physical sectors rather than 512-byte ones, will the "boot sector" still be a 512-byte structure, or will we see it extended to support more MBR code or bigger partition tables or whatever? |
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| 02:34.45 | abrotman | Wyzard: put an OS in the boot sector! |
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| 02:35.14 | itchi | DSL :-p |
| 02:35.26 | Wyzard | hehe |
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| 02:35.49 | Wyzard | or that GRUB-bootable Space Invaders game that somebody wrote |
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| 02:41.40 | Xenguy | PingFloyd: love the nick :-) |
| 02:41.49 | PingFloyd | Xenguy: thanks |
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| 02:44.19 | slacker403 | what is the libxml2 development headers called ? |
| 02:44.19 | Sweetandy | !dpkg foobar |
| 02:44.37 | slacker403 | also how can i check to see if i have gnutls installed |
| 02:45.23 | itchi | slacker403: For the second question dpkg -l gnutls* |
| 02:46.07 | itchi | slacker403: Need you libxml2-dev ? |
| 02:46.12 | slacker403 | yes |
| 02:46.39 | slacker403 | rnutls dev too |
| 02:46.41 | slacker403 | gn |
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| 02:53.01 | cilkay | abrotman, Wyzard: Problem solved. pg_dropcluster --stop 8.1 main; pg_createcluster 8.1 main That created a new cluster with UTF8 encoding on template1, which is what I wanted. |
| 02:53.13 | abrotman | cilkay: what was it before ? |
| 02:53.27 | cilkay | abrotman: SQL_ASCII |
| 02:54.00 | abrotman | oh that's right |
| 02:54.11 | abrotman | cilkay: oddly .. my \encoding was set to UTF from the start |
| 02:54.15 | cilkay | abrotman: the reason: debootstrap installation doesn't install the locales package. A normal install does. pg_createcluster infers the encoding from the locale. |
| 02:54.20 | itchi | bwlang: fail2ban, denyhosts? |
| 02:54.29 | cilkay | abrotman: you probably did a conventional install from CD or network. |
| 02:54.31 | cilkay | I didn't. |
| 02:54.39 | cilkay | ... and couldn't even if I wanted to. |
| 02:54.40 | abrotman | cilkay: my install was done a long time ago :) |
| 02:54.42 | bwlang | i'm trying denyhost now... |
| 02:54.43 | Wyzard | cilkay: That shouldn't matter... it's still the same package |
| 02:54.51 | slacker403 | what is pcap.h ?????? |
| 02:54.58 | itchi | bwlang: Depend if you work with iptables or not, first is for iptables, second use the TCP stuff |
| 02:55.01 | slacker403 | i am trying to compile something that requres it |
| 02:55.06 | slacker403 | but i cant figure out what it is |
| 02:55.18 | Wyzard | slacker403: It's part of a library for packet sniffing |
| 02:55.30 | slacker403 | what program ? |
| 02:55.31 | cilkay | Wyzard: no, it does matter. You must have locales installed and a locale set for pg_createcluster to be able to figure out what the locale is on the machine. |
| 02:56.01 | Wyzard | slacker403: libpcap-dev |
| 02:56.35 | Wyzard | slacker403: actually, no, libpcap0.8-dev |
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| 02:58.15 | slacker403 | i jus did pcap-dev |
| 02:58.19 | slacker403 | libpcap-dev |
| 02:58.25 | slacker403 | did i get the wrong one ? |
| 02:59.11 | bwlang | itchi: thanks... denyhost seems to work fine for me. |
| 02:59.26 | itchi | bwlang: Yeah, both are fine, depending of your firewall too |
| 02:59.56 | slacker403 | http://phpfi.com/236485 |
| 03:00.00 | slacker403 | whats the problem here |
| 03:00.03 | slacker403 | wh wont this compile |
| 03:00.07 | slacker403 | almost thought i had it too |
| 03:00.07 | itchi | bwlang: I have used denyhosts for a while, now since a few i use fail2ban, i'm very happy of both tools |
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| 03:00.46 | Wyzard | slacker403: libpcap-dev gets you version 0.7, whereas libpcap0.8-dev gets you version 0.8 |
| 03:01.04 | Wyzard | slacker403: but I'm pretty sure the basic functions like pcap_open_live() existed in 0.7 too |
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| 03:01.15 | slacker403 | could you check out my pastebin :P |
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| 03:01.22 | Xenguy | bwlang: switch you port, and configure /etc/hosts.deny, and /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 03:01.27 | Xenguy | s/you/your |
| 03:02.13 | b3nw | I installed the lighthttpd package what package do I need to install php aswell? |
| 03:02.39 | shadeheim | hey. I've loaded ndiswrapper, the device it detected, the signal strength is correct, and iwconfig reports all the values... like it has found the access point for my router. Also my resolv.conf is complete. This card works in other distro's so I don't know why I can't ping any sites, although in the past doing dhcpcd wlan0 has worked but I can't install that program at the moment. I've also tried ifconfig down ifconfig |
| 03:02.40 | shadeheim | up, and restarting the network through init.d. Any other ideas? |
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| 03:03.33 | shadeheim | + I've set the right encryption key and type |
| 03:04.21 | rking | So, evince is great - much more coherent than the xpdf I used to use... but it's lacking an important feature: editing (or at least exporting). I get nervous doing conversions because I'm afraid some key piece of formatting is going to get lost (such as a certain inline table randomly hopping to nearby page [or something]). any tips? TIA. |
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| 03:04.42 | itchi | b3nw: apt-cache search ^php |
| 03:04.48 | troytroy | hello i am getting this error from freeradius "http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22257/" |
| 03:05.42 | troytroy | but i have the right username and password and db set in /etc/freeradius/sql.conf |
| 03:05.55 | rking | troytroy: are you able to login just fine with the mysql client? |
| 03:06.13 | troytroy | rking yes |
| 03:06.56 | abrotman | rking: you want to who/what a pdf ? |
| 03:07.06 | rking | troytroy: Very interest.</borat> |
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| 03:08.01 | rking | abrotman: well, for example, I have a college course syllabus that's in .pdf. It has a huge chunk of boilerplate that says stuff like, "Don't cheat" at the top. I'd like to snip that out so I can get to the daily parts instantly. |
| 03:08.14 | dondelelcaro | rking: you can use pdftk to do that |
| 03:08.17 | rking | abrotman: so, basically, I'd like a way to edit this content, and I'm nervous about some kind of pdf2html thing |
| 03:08.18 | abrotman | rking: pdftk |
| 03:08.20 | abrotman | doh |
| 03:08.29 | rking | don/abrot: thanks |
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| 03:09.02 | dondelelcaro | (some combination of pdftk burst and pdftk cat; will do what you want) |
| 03:09.29 | rking | troytroy: so, my thinking is this: obviously "something" is different between the two login attempts. we have to find out what that is. have you tried to kick mysqld into high-verbosity and watched the log output for both login methods? |
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| 03:10.57 | troytroy | rking nope note very good with detailed config |
| 03:11.25 | rking | troytroy: well, it's time to start learning then, eh? =) |
| 03:11.31 | troytroy | rking any help would be very much appreciated |
| 03:12.42 | troytroy | its strange how evrything is correct in the sql.conf file but getting that error |
| 03:12.47 | rking | troytroy: the process might involve either: a) adding a "verbose" line to the config somewhere - do `man -k mysql` and see if one of the pages is obviously the description of the config file. or, b) killing mysqld and invoking it from the command-line like `mysqld --verbose` or something (mysqld --help would answer this certainly) |
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| 03:13.33 | rking | troytroy: SQL servage is a delicate thing sometimes. The good thing is that once you get past an obstacle like this you'll probably not see it again for a long time. Perservere. |
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| 03:15.22 | itchi | Are there some text to speech tools? |
| 03:15.36 | itchi | And speech to text |
| 03:15.39 | abrotman | !br |
| 03:15.39 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 03:16.16 | itchi | I have found festival, kinda nice, i guess there may other stuff maybe. But i still not have find a speech to text tool |
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| 03:16.43 | abrotman | itchi: speech recognition software ? |
| 03:16.46 | troytroy | 070524 3:15:18 InnoDB: Started; log sequence number 0 163983 |
| 03:16.47 | troytroy | 070524 3:15:18 [Note] mysqld: ready for connections. |
| 03:16.47 | troytroy | Version: '5.0.32-Debian_7etch1-log' socket: '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' port: 3306 Debian etch distribution |
| 03:16.54 | abrotman | itchi: i recently saw a java attempt .. |
| 03:16.55 | amphi | itchi: festival tends to go subsonic on very long sentences ;) |
| 03:17.14 | abrotman | amphi: runs out of breath ? |
| 03:17.21 | itchi | abrotman: Yeah, both tools :-) |
| 03:17.22 | amphi | heh |
| 03:17.38 | abrotman | itchi: i'm looking |
| 03:17.44 | amphi | the pitch gets lower and lower |
| 03:17.51 | itchi | abrotman: Me too, since ages :-s |
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| 03:17.53 | Feto | hello |
| 03:18.02 | abrotman | itchi: http://cmusphinx.sourceforge.net/sphinx4/ .. i think |
| 03:18.18 | Feto | how do I make aptitude install packages off the web rather than the DVD? |
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| 03:18.21 | itchi | abrotman: Thanks! |
| 03:18.27 | abrotman | itchi: if that's the one i'm thinking of .. supposedly quite good |
| 03:18.34 | n3kl | Ok. I am at a loss. I create a partition on /sda, reboot and do fdisk -l. Now I get Disk /dev/sdc doesn't contain a valid partition table. What could the problem be? |
| 03:18.53 | itchi | abrotman: I gona try it out :-) |
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| 03:19.44 | setuid | I'm trying to use debootstrap to build a chroot environment... and now I get: |
| 03:19.47 | setuid | Failure trying to run: chroot /home/chroot dpkg --force-depends --install var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.3.6.ds1-13_amd64.deb |
| 03:19.56 | setuid | Anyone know what the fix for this is? |
| 03:19.56 | abrotman | itchi: it is java .. |
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| 03:20.57 | rking | pdftk++ # burst + cat did it superbly! |
| 03:21.34 | dondelelcaro | setuid: what is the failure message? alternatiavely, what is the output when you try to run that command? |
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| 03:22.01 | itchi | abrotman: Yeah, i hoped for some Python stuff. Or maybe, who know, i gona try to write one :-p |
| 03:22.01 | rking | troytroy: and it doesn't say anything after that when you either 1) login from mysql client or 2) [attempt to] log in via radius |
| 03:22.14 | setuid | dondelelcaro, I'm trying that now, permission denied to /dev/null apparently |
| 03:22.22 | setuid | Preparing to replace libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 (using libc6_2.3.6.ds1-13_amd64.deb) ... |
| 03:22.22 | setuid | /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/preinst: line 121: /dev/null: Permission denied |
| 03:22.24 | itchi | ... but a bit hard for that i guess, i need to upgrade me buahaha |
| 03:22.25 | abrotman | itchi: uhm .. ok |
| 03:22.26 | setuid | about 30 of those |
| 03:22.39 | dondelelcaro | setuid: is this a Debian system? |
| 03:22.57 | n3kl | is there a way to completely wipe a hard drive of any fs or anything without breaking it? |
| 03:23.11 | rking | n3kl: how do you define "break"? |
| 03:23.20 | dondelelcaro | n3kl: not completely, but you can do a reasonably good job |
| 03:23.22 | itchi | n3kl: What is the meaning of 'wipe' ? |
| 03:23.27 | setuid | dondelelcaro, Yes |
| 03:23.27 | dondelelcaro | n3kl: what are you trying to protect? |
| 03:23.28 | setuid | Setting up libc6 (2.3.6.ds1-13) ... |
| 03:23.29 | setuid | /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6.postinst: line 29: /dev/null: Permission denied |
| 03:23.35 | dondelelcaro | setuid: is there anything unusual about it, like selinux? |
| 03:23.44 | setuid | dondelelcaro, Not at all... |
| 03:23.45 | n3kl | rking: as in, useless hardware |
| 03:23.46 | stew | setuid: what does "ls -l /dev/null" say? |
| 03:23.47 | troytroy | rking nope login to db from terminal and via phpmyadmin works ok |
| 03:23.49 | itchi | n3kl: Take ? as a double ?? |
| 03:23.57 | setuid | stew, crwxrwxrwx 1 root root 1, 3 Feb 16 14:47 /dev/null |
| 03:23.58 | rking | ahh, i get what he's asking. n3kl: `wipe`? |
| 03:24.12 | dondelelcaro | setuid: and /home/chroot/dev/null? what is /home mounted as? |
| 03:24.14 | rking | troytroy: and neither shows /anything/ to the log file? |
| 03:24.22 | n3kl | dondelelcaro: nothing, I have a drive that every time I reboot, the partition table goes missing and I don't know why. |
| 03:24.24 | stew | setuid: is that on a filesystem mounted nodev |
| 03:24.25 | stew | yes |
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| 03:24.41 | dondelelcaro | n3kl: oh, you can just cat /dev/zero > /dev/hdfoo |
| 03:25.10 | n3kl | cat /dev/zero /dev/sdc |
| 03:25.19 | dondelelcaro | the > is important |
| 03:25.39 | dondelelcaro | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdc; will also work if you prefer dd |
| 03:25.44 | troytroy | rking i think mysql is ok |
| 03:25.47 | setuid | stew, I don't think so... its just /home/chroot, and I used: debootstrap etch /home/chroot http://ftp.debian.org/debian |
| 03:25.49 | stew | or cp /dev/zero /dev/sdc |
| 03:25.51 | n3kl | dondelelcaro: right, ww |
| 03:25.59 | troytroy | rking something to do with freeradius |
| 03:26.10 | dondelelcaro | setuid: what does grep home /proc/mounts; output? |
| 03:26.17 | troytroy | rking start freeradius in verbose mode |
| 03:26.17 | stew | setuid: /home is mounted nodev |
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| 03:26.32 | setuid | ah! |
| 03:26.41 | Feto | hello? |
| 03:26.54 | dondelelcaro | Goodbye? |
| 03:26.57 | setuid | stew, Ok, so now the question is... remove nodev from /home, or put /home/chroot somewhere else |
| 03:27.05 | Feto | i say hello, you say goodbye (8) |
| 03:27.07 | stew | setuid: yes |
| 03:27.23 | setuid | stew, which one? :) |
| 03:27.30 | Feto | how do i tell aptitude install to not ask for the DVD? |
| 03:27.30 | dondelelcaro | setuid: yerp; nodev is really only needed for drives that users can mount; do whichever. |
| 03:27.44 | n3kl | dondelelcaro: anyway, any other ways to repair the hd that you can think of? |
| 03:27.47 | dondelelcaro | Feto: comment out the cdrom line from your sources.list |
| 03:27.51 | n3kl | Feto: take it out of your sources |
| 03:27.53 | dondelelcaro | n3kl: that'd be my first suggestion |
| 03:27.58 | Feto | and where is sources.list? |
| 03:28.02 | slacker403 | how do i install GnuTLS |
| 03:28.03 | slacker403 | ? |
| 03:28.03 | dondelelcaro | Feto: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:28.07 | Feto | ahh thanks :) |
| 03:28.07 | stew | setuid: completely up to you |
| 03:28.18 | dondelelcaro | slacker403: anything that needs it will install it; it's just libgnutls |
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| 03:28.43 | slacker403 | nope |
| 03:28.45 | slacker403 | not found |
| 03:28.46 | Feto | and how do I tell it to get them off of the debian site? |
| 03:28.46 | n3kl | dondelelcaro: alright, kinda strange. I think I built an fs on sda, not sda1. But even still, I think that fdisk should correct that. Anyway, thanks. |
| 03:28.54 | Feto | i uncommented these lines but it still doesn't work |
| 03:29.00 | Feto | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 03:29.00 | dondelelcaro | !tell slacker403 -about search |
| 03:29.03 | Feto | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 03:29.08 | jetscreamer | you can't |
| 03:29.19 | dondelelcaro | Feto: give us your entire sources.list using a paste site |
| 03:29.20 | jetscreamer | you can't mkfs /dev/sda |
| 03:29.26 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: you can, actually. |
| 03:29.37 | stew | i do all the time on usb disks |
| 03:29.42 | stew | "disks" |
| 03:29.42 | Feto | dondelelcaro: that's pretty much it, except comments |
| 03:29.44 | dondelelcaro | linux is enlightened enough to not care if there's no partition table |
| 03:29.45 | Rusty1 | dondelelcaro: wouldnt cat just put 00 at the end of the drive , whereas dd would wipe ? |
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| 03:29.51 | Feto | paste.rafb.net |
| 03:29.59 | dondelelcaro | Rusty1: they both will wipe |
| 03:30.21 | Feto | shoot |
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| 03:31.21 | rking | troytroy: sure, it's not mysqld's problem - but we need to figure out why it sees what freeradius gives it as being different from what phpmyadmin gives it, right? |
| 03:31.30 | troytroy | could someone chk if everything is running smooth "http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22258/" |
| 03:31.33 | yonde | should debian-sys-maint for mysql have a password or not? |
| 03:31.57 | stew | yonde: yes, read /usr/share/doc/mysql-server*/README.Debian |
| 03:31.59 | Feto | http://rafb.net/p/4Uw33o59.html |
| 03:32.02 | slacker403 | how do i install GnuTLS dev files ?????? |
| 03:32.03 | Feto | there it is :) |
| 03:32.15 | troytroy | rking "http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22258/" |
| 03:32.32 | stew | slacker403: aptitude install libgnutls-dev |
| 03:32.36 | dondelelcaro | slacker403: again, install the appropriate version of libgnutls |
| 03:32.38 | troytroy | rking should i increase to -xx |
| 03:32.41 | yonde | stew: after changing the password i get: /usr/bin/mysqlcheck: Got error: 1045: Access denied for user |
| 03:32.43 | yonde | 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' (using password: YES) when trying to connect |
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| 03:32.47 | rking | troytroy: that just looks like standard startup output - where's the part where it rejected a freeradius connection? |
| 03:32.52 | dondelelcaro | slacker403: if you read what dpkg told you, you would have figured it out by now |
| 03:32.57 | stew | yonde: did you read README.Debian? |
| 03:33.06 | rking | troytroy: if you did attempt to connect, and that's all you got, then yep, you'll have to up the verbosity i guess |
| 03:33.15 | yonde | yes, no help. |
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| 03:33.48 | dfx- | I have a weird problem. I just installed Etch and whenever a lot of text scrolls on the screen the whole system locks up. I managed to get it upgraded to unstable and kernel 2.6.21 thinking that might fix it but it didn't. Does anyone know what could cause this? |
| 03:33.49 | stew | yonde: where did you put the password? |
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| 03:34.01 | dondelelcaro | yonde: you've entered the wrong password or debian-sys-maint doesn't have the abiilty to connect from localhost. The readme explains how to change this |
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| 03:34.25 | dondelelcaro | dfx-: can you ping or ssh into the system when that has happened? |
| 03:34.39 | dondelelcaro | dfx-: is this a problem in X or in console? |
| 03:34.45 | yonde | ok, i'll read it carefully again. |
| 03:35.00 | dfx- | dondelelcaro: haven't tried, but caps lock, num lock, etc don't work. It's a console problem .. haven't tried loading X. |
| 03:35.25 | dfx- | dondelelcaro: I'll lock it up again and try SSH |
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| 03:35.42 | dondelelcaro | dfx-: hrm... do you know what temperature your CPU is at when you're doing that? |
| 03:35.56 | dondelelcaro | dfx-: does it always happen the same way, or is it randomly occuring? |
| 03:36.03 | xoz | dfx-: try memtest |
| 03:36.29 | dfx- | dondelelcaro: I can recreate the problem by catting a big text file. It seems that it doesn't like a lot of text scrolling by on the screen. |
| 03:36.32 | dfx- | xoz: ok |
| 03:36.53 | setuid | Ok, the chroot works now... sort-of. When the user ssh's in, they are chrooted to /home/chroot/home/$USER, which is fine... but they have no valid id. |
| 03:37.20 | setuid | I have no name!@neptune:~$ id |
| 03:37.20 | setuid | uid=1002 gid=1002 groups=1002 |
| 03:37.22 | dfx- | xoz: installing memtest86+ and it locked up :) Trying to SSH to it now. |
| 03:37.24 | dondelelcaro | dfx-: yeah, there's pretty much nothing that would be software specific to cause that, because we'd see it everywhere. Most likely it's a hardware issue somewhere |
| 03:37.48 | setuid | This particular user (on neptune) exists ONLY in ldap. He can ssh, sftp, ftp in and use the machine fine (non-chroot) |
| 03:37.51 | dondelelcaro | either cpu, memory, powersupply, or motherboard is not doing well. |
| 03:38.00 | setuid | Is the ldap hook what is being missed when he's chrooted? |
| 03:38.07 | dfx- | dondelelcaro: That's why I was thinking to upgrade to newer kernel, maybe better hardware support |
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| 03:38.22 | dfx- | dondelelcaro: It's a brand new laptop :) |
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| 03:38.25 | Feto | dondelelcaro: http://rafb.net/p/4Uw33o59.html |
| 03:38.25 | dondelelcaro | dfx-: nah; if it boots, you've got hardware support enough |
| 03:38.28 | Feto | there it is |
| 03:38.37 | dondelelcaro | dfx-: yeah, I'd return it under warranty then |
| 03:38.40 | xoz | dfx-: try to check in the bios. you may have misconfigured some settings there. |
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| 03:38.55 | Feto | dondelelcaro: please ignore that |
| 03:39.18 | dfx- | xoz: I'll do that .. thanks |
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| 03:39.35 | Feto | dondelelcaro: http://rafb.net/p/H4owD643.html |
| 03:39.36 | Feto | there it is |
| 03:39.39 | dfx- | dondelelcaro: That would be nice if I could explain what's wrong. The laptop works great with Windows :( |
| 03:39.47 | itchi | dfx-: Before you gona sleep, run memtest the whole night |
| 03:40.04 | dfx- | itchi: so it takes a while? |
| 03:40.15 | itchi | dfx-: How longer, how better :-) |
| 03:40.23 | dfx- | dondelelcaro: no ssh support |
| 03:40.23 | dondelelcaro | dfx-: have you tried with noacpi? |
| 03:40.28 | dfx- | itchi: ok I'll do that |
| 03:40.36 | itchi | dfx-: Leave it running for some hours, 8 will be nice |
| 03:40.36 | dfx- | dondelelcaro: no, how woule do that? |
| 03:40.56 | dfx- | itchi: if it will stay running that long |
| 03:40.56 | rking | troytroy: any news? |
| 03:41.01 | setuid | dondelelcaro, Any ideas? |
| 03:41.02 | dondelelcaro | dfx-: just append it to the kernel boot line |
| 03:41.28 | dfx- | dondelelcaro: ok .. i'll give that a try. |
| 03:42.29 | dondelelcaro | setuid: that kind of sounds like ldap isn't set up quite right; I personally don't use it much though, so I'm really not the right person to ask. |
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| 03:43.20 | jetscreamer | !dcma |
| 03:43.20 | dpkg | rumour has it, dcma is Digitally Munted Complete Assholes |
| 03:43.21 | setuid | dondelelcaro, I wanted to eliminate having thousands of users in /etc/passwd.. and allow one central login authenticator for all machines, instead of duplicating accounts all over the place. |
| 03:43.27 | jetscreamer | bah |
| 03:43.29 | troytroy | rking ok seems everything is fine now. no errors in log. when i start them from console |
| 03:43.31 | guru | what would be the easiest software based way to redundantly clone a directory on one filesystem to another? |
| 03:43.41 | jetscreamer | cp -a ? |
| 03:43.45 | rking | troytroy: so even freeradius is connecting? |
| 03:43.52 | setuid | dondelelcaro, I think what's happening, is that the chroot pam can't validate the user's id/credentials in the non-chroot environment |
| 03:43.59 | troytroy | could it be possible the is something wrong in the startup scripts |
| 03:43.59 | guru | jetscreamer: not quite; i only want to copy changed/new files |
| 03:44.01 | setuid | guru, rsync |
| 03:44.17 | setuid | rsync -avSP user@local:/path/to/files user@remote:/path/to/destination |
| 03:44.18 | guru | setuid: both filesystems are on the same machine; would that matter? |
| 03:44.25 | setuid | guru, Nope, I do that all the time |
| 03:44.32 | dondelelcaro | setuid: could be; it's a reasonable setup, I just don't know enough to tell you exactly what is going on. |
| 03:44.46 | setuid | guru: rsync -avSP /some/local/path /other/local/path |
| 03:44.50 | guru | setuid: is there a way to make it run via a cron entry (e.g., without prompting for a password)? |
| 03:45.01 | guru | ahh, that would work |
| 03:45.03 | setuid | guru, It shouldn't prompt for a password at all |
| 03:45.05 | troytroy | rking could it be possible the is something wrong in the startup scripts? |
| 03:46.38 | guru | setuid: thank you |
| 03:47.09 | rking | troytroy: I don't understand - are you saying freeradius is connecting now? |
| 03:47.22 | rking | ahh, ok, it's bad of me, but i'm a bit relieved. |
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| 03:48.39 | guru | setuid: i'm trying to keep redundant backups of my local source code (i don't always check in files when i should) |
| 03:49.13 | crossbar | how does debian compare with ubuntu? |
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| 03:49.43 | guru | in cron entries, time is expressed in 24h format, correct? |
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| 03:50.02 | dondelelcaro | guru: yes; man 5 crontab; for details. |
| 03:50.16 | guru | e.g., 0 0 * * * <command> would run daily at midnight |
| 03:50.26 | setuid | guru, rsnapshot is your friend |
| 03:50.31 | epp | hey, im treying to compile this app and it says i dont have openssl installed. Im running sarge and i have the package installed. |
| 03:50.42 | dondelelcaro | epp: you don't have the -dev package installed. |
| 03:50.46 | setuid | epp, Compilation requires headers, not libs or userland |
| 03:50.49 | guru | setuid: added that to my notes too, thanks again |
| 03:50.51 | setuid | epp, You want the -dev packages |
| 03:50.55 | epp | thx guys |
| 03:51.04 | setuid | guru, rsnapshot saves disk and comes with default cron job examples |
| 03:51.08 | jetscreamer | sarge? |
| 03:51.13 | dfx- | dondelelcaro: so apparently noacpi worked. I'm currently doing a while true; do cat /var/log/dpkg.log; done ... and it hasn't locked up yet. Since this is a laptop, I would liek to use acpi .. any ideas? |
| 03:51.13 | setuid | guru, I use rsnapshot on my BSD machines, it works great |
| 03:51.19 | guru | setuid: ahh, very handy |
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| 03:51.53 | guru | setuid: i have an old freebsd box somewhere around here (not sure of the physical location off hand, but ssh works so it's still running) |
| 03:52.06 | guru | i think it's version 5.2, maybe 5.1 |
| 03:52.12 | setuid | dondelelcaro, I'm trying to set up a proper "encapsulated" environment for developers... and I'm creating this chroot as well as testing vmware server on the same box. Any suggestions/experience on which approach would deliver the best results? |
| 03:52.13 | epp | anyone know what the dev package for openssl is. there are so many |
| 03:52.21 | dondelelcaro | dfx-: unfortunatly, you've run into one of the classical problems with acpi; eventualy someone will probably figure out the acpi patch to get your laptop to work, but it's not clear when that will happen. |
| 03:52.25 | setuid | epp, apt-file search |
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| 03:52.38 | epp | setuid: i did, there are so many |
| 03:52.38 | jetscreamer | apt-file update first |
| 03:52.39 | setuid | epp, You want libssl-dev |
| 03:52.39 | Wyzard | epp: libssl-dev |
| 03:52.43 | dfx- | ahh, so it's out of my control at this point? |
| 03:52.51 | epp | yeh, i thought so. but it didnt have open |
| 03:52.53 | epp | thx |
| 03:53.02 | dfx- | dondelelcaro: man, I really appreciate your help. And itchi and xoz, too! |
| 03:53.04 | setuid | apt-cache search ssl | grep dev |
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| 03:53.40 | dondelelcaro | setuid: I peronsally suggest using xen to do that, so each developer can have their own xen environment, probably with a nfs mounted home directory and such. |
| 03:53.52 | guru | setuid: any idea if cron has a way to test cron entries? i looked in both the cron and crontab manpages and didn't see anything |
| 03:53.55 | dondelelcaro | setuid: 'course it really depends what your developers are developing |
| 03:54.17 | setuid | dondelelcaro, Hrm, I hadn't thought about Xen... but that requires a modified host kernel, no? |
| 03:54.17 | dondelelcaro | guru: no, but if you use crontab, it'll tell you if the entries are malformed |
| 03:54.29 | dondelelcaro | setuid: yes, but it's in Debian anyway, so you can install and set it up fairly easily |
| 03:54.38 | guru | ahh ok. what about firing off a specific entry immediately? |
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| 03:54.50 | setuid | dondelelcaro, headless? Or does it have a GUI? (I don't need/want any GUI components, server-side) |
| 03:55.01 | setuid | guru, Stick it in /etc/cron.hourly |
| 03:55.02 | dondelelcaro | setuid: no gui |
| 03:55.27 | guru | setuid: i don't want it to run hourly, only daily |
| 03:55.28 | dondelelcaro | setuid: at one of the paces that I consult, we've got about 8 1U machines, each running around 8 xen environments for developers |
| 03:55.46 | dondelelcaro | (the disks actually haveabout 20 or so, but not all of them are in use at once) |
| 03:56.11 | guru | setuid: besides, the only time code would be modified is when i'm logged in locally so placing it in my own crontab should be fine |
| 03:56.39 | setuid | dondelelcaro, Can I provide an ala-carte menu for developers who ssh in? Like... "ssh to box1 for SUSE, box2 for Debian, box3 for FreeBSD" and so on? (with each boxX being a separate Xen instance) |
| 03:57.03 | setuid | guru, Why not just set up your ~/.bash_logout to just svn commit your code? |
| 03:57.28 | guru | setuid: i work with different branches |
| 03:57.41 | setuid | svn doesn't use branches :) |
| 03:57.50 | setuid | Well, you have a few solutions anyway |
| 03:57.52 | guru | there's really no way of knowing programmatically which one i want to commit |
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| 03:58.16 | guru | i'd rather do the commit myself in case another developer modified the same area of code and there were errors |
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| 03:58.33 | setuid | Then just check the code out to $HOME/source and either rsnapshot /home/guru, or just svn commit your entire home directory |
| 03:58.50 | setuid | And don't commit /home/guru to the same repo as your source code, obviously |
| 03:59.31 | Acu | I want to play some video lectures on a portable PDA - I understand that Sony Clie have an ARM processor - is any handheld in which Debian can be installed ? |
| 03:59.37 | guru | setuid: i like the manual method better, "just in case |
| 03:59.48 | setuid | TMTOWTDI |
| 03:59.54 | dondelelcaro | setuid: yeah; but I'd personally just set it up for the develoeprs to ssh suse.xen.foo.com; ssh debian.xen.foo.com; ssh freebsd.xen.foo.com; et al. |
| 04:00.03 | guru | setuid: i have no idea what that means |
| 04:00.08 | setuid | Acu, I am the maintainer of pilot-link, the sync software used on the Clie... the answer is no. |
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| 04:00.21 | setuid | dondelelcaro, good point |
| 04:00.47 | setuid | Acu, You can however, put Flash movies on a PalmOS PDA, or you can put Linux on an iPAQ or similar PDA, but not a Sony Clie |
| 04:00.57 | guru | anyway, thanks again for the help guys it's much appreciated :) |
| 04:01.24 | setuid | dondelelcaro, Looks like xen-utils-common is the only userland package for xen... and its pretty vapid. I'll have to do some reading to see how to set up and install vms with it. |
| 04:02.01 | Acu | setuid: so iPAQ can be reformated and linux can be installed ? |
| 04:02.45 | dondelelcaro | setuid: oh, I peronslaly just do the userland stuff all manually; you give it an lvm or a hard drive image, and tell it how mchm memory, and away it goes. |
| 04:02.46 | Acu | setuid: which of the PDAs are most linux friendly? |
| 04:03.20 | setuid | Acu, It can even be dual-booted |
| 04:03.51 | Acu | setuid: and I can run it just like a normal PC ? |
| 04:03.52 | setuid | dondelelcaro, So I basically dd some junk to a .img file and point xen at that as its volume? |
| 04:04.02 | setuid | Acu, A handheld is nothing at all like a normal PC |
| 04:04.09 | setuid | But you can use it like a handheld running Linux, yes. |
| 04:04.16 | dondelelcaro | setuid: pretty much |
| 04:04.53 | Acu | setuid: I have two objectives : 1) to play some movies 2 ) to be able to record audio |
| 04:05.13 | setuid | Acu, Here's my current collection of PDAs: http://code.gnu-designs.com/Lots-o-Gadgets.jpg |
| 04:05.29 | setuid | Acu, You might be better off with one of the Archeros systems |
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| 04:05.51 | itchi | setuid: Own you all that stuff? |
| 04:06.04 | setuid | er, Archos |
| 04:06.06 | setuid | itchi, Yes |
| 04:06.16 | itchi | setuid: Give me one :-p |
| 04:06.26 | setuid | Acu, http://www.archos.com/?country=global&lang=en |
| 04:06.37 | itchi | One that i may able to put Debian on it :-) :-) |
| 04:06.38 | setuid | itchi, Sure, PayPal me an equivalent value + shipping |
| 04:06.43 | Rusty1 | setuid Nokia 770 ? |
| 04:06.50 | itchi | hehe |
| 04:07.03 | setuid | Rusty1, What about it? |
| 04:07.28 | Rusty1 | setuid: your opinion? |
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| 04:08.05 | Rusty1 | for what ACU is trying to do |
| 04:08.57 | setuid | It might work, but I think the Archos is going to be best... he said "record audio", and the 770 is nowhere near powerful enough to do that reliably |
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| 04:11.19 | itchi | setuid: Is archos a french brand? |
| 04:11.29 | Acu | setuid: first of all - that collection of gadgets is awesome! - you certainly know this stuff - I want to buy the cheapest possible device (even secondhand - no more than $100) which can have the most features |
| 04:12.23 | setuid | Acu, Why does it have to run Linux, if it meets your functional requirements? |
| 04:13.11 | bintut | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:13.29 | itchi | setuid: Can you run Python on such things? |
| 04:13.35 | Acu | setuid: I found a Tungsten E2 with around $80 (used of course) but it doesnot have recording for audio - but I can buy a Sony CLio something with 50 with ~ $100 ---- setuid: it is not required to run linux - I still need to be able to connect and synchronize somehow |
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| 04:14.01 | setuid | itchi, On Linux-based PDAs, sure. |
| 04:14.06 | sl4v3r | hello |
| 04:14.08 | setuid | itchi, Most of the GUI is Python on those |
| 04:14.19 | sl4v3r | i have a inspiroon 6400 |
| 04:14.21 | setuid | itchi, In fact, OLPC's entire GUI interface is Python (as is the browser, etc.) |
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| 04:14.42 | sl4v3r | and i want put the Debian in widescreen |
| 04:14.45 | itchi | setuid: Woooaa that will be cool. I wait that my pig get be full and then i buy a such toy :-) |
| 04:15.10 | Guerin | bintut: vfat or ext2 |
| 04:15.48 | bintut | Guerin: why not reiserfs? sorry, i'm newbie to this |
| 04:16.00 | setuid | bintut, You don't want a journaled filesystem on flash media |
| 04:16.08 | setuid | That's the best way to kill it fast |
| 04:16.23 | setuid | Flash media is getting better in terms of rewrite times, but its not like a hard drive |
| 04:16.47 | bintut | setuid: that's why ext2 is the way to go for the compact flash cards? |
| 04:16.58 | bintut | setuid: what about jffs2 on compact flash card? |
| 04:17.30 | setuid | dondelelcaro, Yuck! http://rafb.net/p/FfvlOI45.html |
| 04:17.37 | Guerin | bintut: flash is write-limited - never use a journalling filestsrem on it, shortens the lifespan enormously |
| 04:18.32 | bintut | Guerin: that means, i'd stick with ext2 if i have to install linux on compact flash card? |
| 04:18.43 | albert_ | Acu, tungsten sucks your battery incredibly fast |
| 04:18.43 | Guerin | bintut: yes. |
| 04:18.55 | setuid | dondelelcaro, ah, fixed... Python 2.4 works, 2.5 does not |
| 04:18.57 | bintut | Guerin: thanks.. :) |
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| 04:19.04 | setuid | albert_, That's not true at all |
| 04:19.07 | bintut | setuid: thanks.. |
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| 04:19.20 | setuid | Perhaps tungsten lamps do, but not the Palm Tungsten |
| 04:19.25 | albert_ | setuid, i wanted to add, that this experience is for the first version |
| 04:19.42 | Acu | sl4v3r: first - it will be cool to have an easier name to type - this is like your NATO password - however you need to open and edit your xorg.conf and add the resolution you want |
| 04:20.20 | albert_ | setuid: maybe the second edition fixed this issue |
| 04:20.32 | albert_ | i'll stick to my m125 |
| 04:21.22 | Acu | sl4v3r: you can find xorg.conf at /etc/X11 |
| 04:21.45 | Acu | sl4v3r: you need of course to be su or root to edit the file |
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| 04:22.16 | Acu | albert_: thanks - can you give me some numbers ? |
| 04:23.00 | albert_ | Acu, thungsten (1) : two and a half hour with activated display |
| 04:23.19 | setuid | albert_, That sounds like a localized problem |
| 04:23.32 | setuid | I have a T2 and T3 here and their battery life is simply amazing |
| 04:23.47 | Acu | albert_: that makes it almost useless (especially that the battery is proprietary - so you cannot charge others) |
| 04:24.14 | Guerin | metaphor |
| 04:24.22 | Guerin | ECHAN |
| 04:24.32 | Guerin | PDAs are stupid |
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| 04:24.41 | Guerin | this is my contribution to the discussion |
| 04:25.04 | Kevin` | pdas that run debian and have a keyboard pwn normal pdas |
| 04:25.14 | Guerin | right |
| 04:25.23 | Guerin | but the point is that most of them are glorified cellphones |
| 04:25.32 | Guerin | and not very glorified, at that |
| 04:25.40 | albert_ | setuid: ye, could be localized, could be the first version |
| 04:25.42 | setuid | I've run Linux on a few PDAs, and I still go back to PalmOS PDAs, because they do more/have more functionality. |
| 04:25.52 | setuid | Just because something CAN run Linux, doesn't mean it SHOULD run Linux |
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| 04:26.00 | albert_ | but if you say, it's amazing with the second and third edition, i don't see a point in not going for it |
| 04:26.01 | Kevin` | more functionlity from palm then linux? |
| 04:26.02 | Kevin` | bah. |
| 04:26.11 | setuid | Kevin`, For what I personally use a PDA for, yes. |
| 04:26.15 | Acu | setuid: but about Dell Axim - it seem a portable PC would that be most flexible ? |
| 04:26.20 | Kevin` | well, you probably use it for pda stuff then |
| 04:26.30 | setuid | I don't use it to play music; my ipod does that. I don't use it for a camera; my 30D and CV10 do that. |
| 04:26.33 | setuid | yadda yadda yadda. |
| 04:26.48 | setuid | Kevin`, It *IS* a PDA, not a desktop or laptop replacement. |
| 04:26.51 | Kevin` | I use mine for remote admin via ssh/vnc |
| 04:27.01 | albert_ | pda stuff: always sth to write around |
| 04:27.05 | setuid | I do the same thing with my PalmOS PDA (vnc and ssh) |
| 04:27.17 | Kevin` | it it remotely useful? :) |
| 04:27.30 | setuid | It is for me, for a 400Mhz CPU and a beautiful screen :) |
| 04:27.40 | Kevin` | can you use irc comfortably? |
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| 04:27.55 | albert_ | i play solitair, keep track of my appointments and do some writing, that's useful enough for me D |
| 04:28.02 | setuid | Sure, my 680 has a keyboard, so irc'ing is fast and relatively easy... and I have TextMate, which does word completion |
| 04:28.09 | Kevin` | ah keyboard, nice |
| 04:28.11 | Guerin | albert_: they call it a `diary' |
| 04:28.12 | setuid | Treo 680, that is |
| 04:28.34 | albert_ | Guerin, i call it short storys :D |
| 04:28.42 | Kevin` | a lot of those that i've seen are missing some of the command keys, unless they have wierd combinations for that |
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| 04:28.55 | Acu | Dell Axim is a PC? |
| 04:28.59 | setuid | The 680's keyboard has 3 levels on it |
| 04:29.14 | setuid | Kevin`, http://www.brighthand.com/assets/5367.jpg |
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| 04:29.31 | setuid | There's the up-shift, and the black "command" button |
| 04:29.50 | setuid | One or the other or combinations of the two will get you what you need out of the keyboard... or you can use graffiti |
| 04:30.03 | Kevin` | setuid how would you press ctrl+a ~. |
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| 04:30.30 | setuid | The ssh app I have has a menu option (and graffiti shortcut) to send ctrl sequences to the remote end |
| 04:30.30 | teknotus | I installed grub, but then after a kernel install I found that lilo was the bootloader again. Where is it set what bootloader is updated with a kernel install? |
| 04:30.40 | Kevin` | ah |
| 04:30.45 | setuid | So I just swipe that, which gives me ctrl, hit a on the keyboard and graffiti a tilde |
| 04:31.14 | Kevin` | setuid ctrl+alt+insert |
| 04:31.40 | setuid | I have no idea what you'd ever use ctrl-alt-insert for, since shift+insert does the same thing... but... yes, its all possible. |
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| 04:31.59 | scruffy | google isn't helping me find a relatively secure shell which would serve only to all a valid shell user to do one task: update passwords on a Debian system without access to anything else. I think I'm looking for something to set as his shell in /etc/passwd. Does such a thing exist? |
| 04:31.59 | Kevin` | used as a replacement for ctrl+alt+del in vmware and others |
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| 04:32.31 | flood_ | alguem me ajuda |
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| 04:33.57 | jetscreamer | ok it's not just my compile 2.6.21 is fucked |
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| 04:34.16 | streuner | jetscreamer: do you use a netgear router? |
| 04:35.16 | jetscreamer | somebody explain to me why it finds /dev/hdc1, jfs, but not /dev/hdc2, jfs... then when the kernel panic comes, it says sis900 on a stock or custom compile... no streuner, linksys router |
| 04:35.26 | flood_ | alguem pode me ajudar por favor.. to comdificuldade instalar a placa encore no kernel 2.6.8-2-k7 |
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| 04:35.38 | jetscreamer | !es |
| 04:35.38 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 04:35.41 | streuner | !br |
| 04:35.42 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 04:35.43 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 04:35.44 | jetscreamer | !br |
| 04:35.48 | jetscreamer | dang |
| 04:35.49 | flood_ | ok |
| 04:36.01 | jetscreamer | lo siento |
| 04:36.14 | flood_ | [00:32:12] -ChanServ- An access level of [10] is required for [UNBAN] on ##debian-br |
| 04:36.14 | flood_ | Ç( |
| 04:36.21 | jetscreamer | !es |
| 04:36.21 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 04:36.22 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 04:36.54 | flood_ | putz |
| 04:37.07 | streuner | flood_: so you are banned there? Just ask the OP who banned you... |
| 04:37.14 | flood_ | nao sei pq |
| 04:37.23 | flood_ | :( |
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| 04:41.04 | jetscreamer | what they really need to improve is reportbug |
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| 04:41.23 | setuid | jetscreamer, Why not help fix it? |
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| 04:41.52 | jetscreamer | setuid: nice stock answer |
| 04:42.05 | jetscreamer | s/answer/response/ |
| 04:42.19 | valdyn | jetscreamer: tried bug-buddy? |
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| 04:42.43 | itchi | jetscreamer: Or reportbug-ng ?? |
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| 04:46.16 | Feto | i cannot seem to be able to play a CD |
| 04:47.22 | jetscreamer | i was under the impression that bug buddy was for reporting gnome bugs... -ng you say |
| 04:47.41 | Feto | ng = no good |
| 04:48.07 | streuner | next generation? ;-) |
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| 04:50.18 | Feto | aparently my gnome doesn't see my soundcard |
| 04:50.22 | Feto | buy linux does |
| 04:50.26 | Feto | how can I fix this? |
| 04:52.03 | jetscreamer | Feto: you might look at the media setting thing in the 'control panel' not sure |
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| 04:52.54 | Feto | and where's that "control panel"? |
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| 04:53.36 | itrebal | is there a way to force apt to download a package source file without trying to satisfy dependancies? |
| 04:53.39 | jetscreamer | under one of those icons next to the start menu |
| 04:55.00 | Feto | i don't see it |
| 04:55.06 | dondelelcaro | itrebal: apt-get source; does not satisfy dependencies. |
| 04:55.22 | Feto | under desktop? |
| 04:55.45 | jetscreamer | feto i think it's under the second from the left, might be the third... not sure i don't run gnome as a rule |
| 04:55.49 | itrebal | `apt-get source xnest` downloads XFree86 |
| 04:56.04 | Feto | it's not one of the icons, that's for sure |
| 04:56.09 | Feto | what's the binary to run it? |
| 04:56.25 | jetscreamer | not the icon, but one of the sub menus |
| 04:56.34 | jetscreamer | administrative i 'think' |
| 04:56.46 | itrebal | don_inlab: I just tried again with no sucess; just downloads xfre86 |
| 04:57.02 | itrebal | dondelelcaro: * |
| 04:57.06 | dondelelcaro | itrebal: yes, because xnest is built from xorg-server; xorg-server *is* the source package. |
| 04:57.13 | itchi | Feto: gnome-control-center |
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| 04:57.38 | Feto | thanks |
| 04:57.41 | Feto | ok now there i am |
| 04:57.46 | jetscreamer | actually i think gnome-control-center is a seperate package you need to ... nm |
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| 04:58.04 | setuid | dondelelcaro, thanks for the help |
| 04:58.05 | itrebal | dondelelcaro: ooh, thanks.. sorry |
| 04:58.26 | dondelelcaro | itrebal: apt-cache showsrc foopkg; will clear that sort of confusion up in the future. [See the Package: line] |
| 04:58.39 | itrebal | thanks |
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| 05:02.49 | Feto | sweet i got sound :D |
| 05:02.49 | scx | !sweet |
| 05:02.49 | dpkg | i heard sweet is a great girl? |
| 05:03.18 | Feto | or a big girl? |
| 05:03.40 | scx | isn't bad girsl sweet? |
| 05:03.48 | scx | adn great |
| 05:04.03 | slacker403 | how can i install GnuTLS ? |
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| 05:04.22 | scx | apt-get search tls ? |
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| 05:04.59 | itchi | slacker403: ... then aptitude install fooPackage |
| 05:05.28 | itchi | slacker403: You need to have the manual near you. Look to /msg dpkg grounding for some references |
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| 05:07.38 | slacker403 | i jus cant find the gnutls package |
| 05:07.43 | slacker403 | i don't know what its called |
| 05:08.21 | scx | gnutls-cli gnutls-serv amybe |
| 05:08.25 | scx | err: maybe |
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| 05:09.21 | scx | or is it opencdk8 ? |
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| 05:12.30 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search gnu |grep ut ? |
| 05:12.56 | jetscreamer | gnutls-bin - the GNU TLS library - commandline utilities |
| 05:13.12 | slacker403 | i think i need dev libs too |
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| 05:14.11 | slacker403 | checking for gnutls_dh_params_generate2 in -lgnutls... no |
| 05:14.16 | slacker403 | whats this mean ? |
| 05:14.33 | wols | check the logs and you will know |
| 05:14.35 | scx | it means it is not emerge |
| 05:14.59 | slacker403 | huh? |
| 05:15.00 | itchi | slacker403: I told you early that package name |
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| 05:18.00 | slacker403 | i cant figure out what this means |
| 05:18.50 | itchi | slacker403: Look in the docs of that stuff you're compiling from source |
| 05:19.21 | slacker403 | is there a dev lib for gnuTLS ? |
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| 05:19.41 | itchi | slacker403: apt-cache search may your friend ;-) |
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| 05:20.14 | itchi | slacker403: libgnutls-dev |
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| 05:21.16 | scx | slacker403: instead of repiting yourself just run the command!!! |
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| 05:21.32 | slacker403 | sorry |
| 05:21.32 | slacker403 | ;) |
| 05:22.17 | slacker403 | also |
| 05:23.35 | regulate | dab:~# insmod --version |
| 05:23.35 | regulate | Segmentation fault |
| 05:24.23 | simonrvn | my crystal ball is off for tonight |
| 05:24.39 | slacker403 | when you compile something -> make where does the compile app sit ? |
| 05:24.44 | slacker403 | before you do make insall |
| 05:24.46 | itchi | simonrvn: Power it on :-p |
| 05:24.54 | itchi | simonrvn: We need it right now :-p |
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| 05:25.21 | itchi | slacker403: in the current dir |
| 05:26.06 | itchi | slacker403: Take a look in the Makefile maybe |
| 05:26.33 | slacker403 | what would i be looking for ? |
| 05:26.48 | itchi | slacker403: I dunno on what you loose your time heh |
| 05:27.35 | itchi | slacker403: I'm waiting that the simonrvn's crystal ball is on :-) |
| 05:28.08 | itchi | simonrvn: Install Debian on your crystal ball, it's ways to long to power on :-) |
| 05:28.14 | slacker403 | hmmmmm |
| 05:28.21 | slacker403 | how can i make a debian package ? |
| 05:28.28 | slacker403 | aythng like check install out there ? |
| 05:28.35 | simonrvn | slacker403: depends on how the tree is organised; could be in a bin/ in a src/... anywhere |
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| 05:28.40 | itchi | slacker403: Man, you need to go on the Debian's website, and look to the docs |
| 05:28.56 | simonrvn | !nmg |
| 05:28.56 | dpkg | nmg is probably Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference are the documents you need to read, in that order, to make packages for the Debian project. http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
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| 05:29.08 | itchi | slacker403: Check install depend of the 'author' of the stuff heh |
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| 05:29.32 | slacker403 | yeaaa i know |
| 05:29.32 | slacker403 | im being forced ot use debian atm ;) |
| 05:29.33 | slacker403 | im a slackware guy |
| 05:30.16 | endra | Hey |
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| 05:30.27 | endra | My wireless isn't working with Debian for some reason, and I want to keep using Linux |
| 05:30.32 | regulate | any ideas why my insmod is seg faulting/ |
| 05:30.48 | endra | .. and I don't want Gentoo, and Ubuntu is not so efficient on this computer. |
| 05:31.07 | endra | Anyone want to recommend a decent distro? It is just a family computer, amarok, firefox, gaim, nothing more. |
| 05:31.17 | Vyrus001 | why does my xorg say its version 1.3.0? im runing /unstable and achording to aptitude am apt-get'ing version 1:7.2-3. yet -version shows 1.3.0.0? |
| 05:31.29 | endra | Speed is around 450mhz (p2), any distro recommendations? |
| 05:31.35 | Vyrus001 | why does my xorg say its version 1.3.0? im runing /unstable and achording to aptitude am apt-get'ing version 1:7.2-3. yet -version shows 1.3.0.0? |
| 05:31.45 | endra | Vyrus001: do not flood please. |
| 05:32.21 | itchi | !tell Vyrus001 about rules |
| 05:32.36 | itchi | endra: Anyway, i not recomend somethings other as Debian |
| 05:32.48 | endra | itchi: but my wireless will not work with Debian :-/ |
| 05:33.03 | itchi | endra: Yeah, but not work is too vague heh |
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| 05:33.10 | endra | It will not negotiate with the DHCP server |
| 05:33.15 | itchi | endra: What is it for brand and type? |
| 05:33.33 | slacker403 | is their any KDE packages for Debian ? |
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| 05:33.43 | endra | rt2500 is the driver. It is a WMP54G v2 (could be v3) |
| 05:33.49 | endra | Either way, it's the latest. |
| 05:33.53 | itchi | slacker403: For what? |
| 05:34.07 | slacker403 | i was looking for a slackware alternative ;) |
| 05:34.07 | scx | slacker403: no |
| 05:34.15 | b3nw | I just setup a new debian setup and in my auth log I have: |
| 05:34.16 | b3nw | May 24 01:17:01 io4 CRON[5826]: (pam_unix) session opened for user root by (uid=0) |
| 05:34.16 | b3nw | May 24 01:17:01 io4 CRON[5826]: (pam_unix) session closed for user root |
| 05:34.19 | endra | The card works fine if I install windows, the router works great too, I have other computers using it. It is not a problem with security because I have opened the network completly and still I have nothing. |
| 05:34.22 | b3nw | what is this? |
| 05:34.36 | scx | slacker403: apt-get search anything |
| 05:34.42 | scx | slacker403: apt-get search kde |
| 05:34.49 | scx | slacker403: apt-get search tls |
| 05:34.56 | scx | slacker403: apt-get search the pourpose of life |
| 05:35.01 | endra | Either it is not initiating a connection, or DHCP is not working. I think it is not initiating a connection because I can't even do it manually. |
| 05:35.02 | itchi | endra: Install module-assistant if not yet done, then use it to make your module |
| 05:35.04 | Supaplex | apt-get search getAclue |
| 05:35.14 | endra | itchi: My module works fine. I used module-assistant to install it. |
| 05:35.25 | endra | itchi: I can scan networks no problem. I just can't connect to them. |
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| 05:36.13 | endra | Hmm, one alternative is using ndiswrapper to install the windows driver. |
| 05:36.15 | itchi | endra: I don't have experiences with that brand i may say |
| 05:36.30 | endra | I just thought of that. I can attempt that, but I am not sure how to remove the module that I installed with module-install. |
| 05:36.46 | Kevin` | ndiswrapper :( |
| 05:37.21 | itchi | endra: module-assistant build a .deb file and install it, if i got it |
| 05:37.22 | Kevin` | I suppose it does offer basic connectivity, on x86 |
| 05:38.01 | endra | Ah. Okay. So I should be able to uninstall it. |
| 05:38.09 | itchi | endra: Yeah, sure |
| 05:38.15 | endra | Aptitude* |
| 05:38.33 | Gokee2 | How do I uninstall a module with m-a? |
| 05:39.09 | itchi | endra: I only use module-assitant for 2 things; ipw-3945 and shfs, and i able to uninstall these stuff that module-assistant have made |
| 05:39.36 | scx | Gokee2: m-a ? |
| 05:39.41 | itchi | Gokee2: It made a deb, just use your lovely aptitude |
| 05:39.47 | itchi | scx: module-assistant |
| 05:39.51 | scx | ah.... |
| 05:40.06 | endra | ipw? |
| 05:40.07 | itchi | scx: The 'short' way, btw, you can use m-a without the tui |
| 05:40.13 | endra | Intel Pro Wireless? |
| 05:40.15 | itchi | endra: Intel wifi |
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| 05:40.22 | itchi | endra: yup |
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| 05:40.42 | Gokee2 | It did? So whats is call the deb for nvidia? there is nothing installed called nvidia? |
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| 05:41.04 | Supaplex | !nvidia |
| 05:41.04 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 05:42.19 | itchi | Gokee2: You may reconize some lines in the output of m-a |
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| 05:43.20 | Gokee2 | aptiture has nvidia-kernel-$num and nvidia-glx-legacy and nvidia-kernel-common |
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| 05:43.32 | Gokee2 | I am guessing m-a made the comon for me? |
| 05:43.41 | itchi | Gokee2: The kernel i may say |
| 05:43.46 | Guerin | !guess |
| 05:43.47 | dpkg | rumour has it, guess is a hypothesis based on nothing |
| 05:43.47 | jetscreamer | just m-a a-i nvidia seems to work for me |
| 05:44.01 | Guerin | follow the damn instructions |
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| 05:44.12 | Gokee2 | jetscreamer, I made a big ouchy and ran that command... I have a legacy card |
| 05:44.26 | slacker403 | how do i uninstall something ? :P |
| 05:44.26 | jetscreamer | you need nvidia-legacy |
| 05:44.29 | Gokee2 | I keep forgetting to say legacy |
| 05:44.41 | Gokee2 | I am so trained to say nvidia |
| 05:44.48 | jetscreamer | apt-get remove --purge |
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| 05:45.08 | itchi | s/apt-get/aptitude/ :-p |
| 05:45.23 | jetscreamer | i actually had that but backspaced |
| 05:45.37 | jetscreamer | i spelled it patitude and was too lazy to fix |
| 05:45.50 | itchi | hehe |
| 05:46.00 | itchi | jetscreamer: Use the tab completion feature? |
| 05:46.18 | itchi | jetscreamer: Works here too in irssi, even is there a spell autocompletion :-) |
| 05:46.19 | jetscreamer | dirty hack! |
| 05:46.29 | jetscreamer | oh there's a spell autocomplete? |
| 05:46.35 | itchi | jetscreamer: Yeah! |
| 05:46.35 | jetscreamer | weird |
| 05:46.38 | jetscreamer | cool |
| 05:46.42 | itchi | no no, i need it :-p |
| 05:47.15 | itchi | jetscreamer: The dictcomplete.pl of the irssi-scripts package |
| 05:48.28 | Gokee2 | YES! |
| 05:48.31 | corax` | Is SPARSEMEM usable in 2.6.22-rc2, on x86_64? |
| 05:48.53 | simonrvn | join your channel and do it |
| 05:48.55 | jetscreamer | 2.6.22? |
| 05:48.57 | simonrvn | your own* |
| 05:49.00 | Gokee2 | Soon I will have synergy again so I can talk and not need to dig for the right keyboard |
| 05:49.02 | simonrvn | !kernel |
| 05:49.04 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.21.2, prepatch: 2.6.22-rc2, snapshot: 2.6.22-rc2-git4, 2.4: 2.4.34.4, prepatch: 2.4.35-pre4, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.22-rc2-mm1 |
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| 05:49.09 | jetscreamer | ask #kernel |
| 05:49.18 | corax` | Thanks |
| 05:50.38 | itchi | Heh guys, try that on #fake007 or whatever heh. |
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| 05:51.51 | Supaplex | uhhh right. |
| 05:52.02 | Supaplex | everyone knows it's in #web2,0 now. |
| 05:52.18 | Supaplex | ;) |
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| 05:55.48 | jetscreamer | . not , |
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| 05:59.19 | endra | Hey |
| 05:59.43 | endra | Can I delete rt2500.ko from /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/kernel/drivers/net/wireless ? |
| 05:59.54 | endra | I already unloaded it with modprobe -r rt2500 |
| 06:00.06 | Alam_Debian | you can blacklist it |
| 06:00.17 | jetscreamer | you 'can', i've done it |
| 06:00.26 | endra | I just don't want it to load anymore |
| 06:00.32 | jetscreamer | i've also symlinked the module i wanted loaded |
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| 06:00.36 | endra | It loads on boot.. and I've removed it with aptitude |
| 06:00.45 | jetscreamer | instead of the one it loads.. all dirty hax though |
| 06:00.57 | jetscreamer | !blacklist |
| 06:00.57 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, do it in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist using "install module_name /bin/true". IMPORTANT: ask about blacklist-initramfs |
| 06:02.02 | endra | install module_name /bin/true ? |
| 06:02.06 | endra | I do't get that part. |
| 06:02.25 | endra | But I've blacklisted it. |
| 06:02.28 | endra | Rebooting now to test :) |
| 06:04.37 | webman | can anyone help me with setting up stun (I've installed the stun package, but there is no documentation included at all), I mainly need to know which 2 IP addresses I need to give it to start up |
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| 06:08.32 | simonrvn | webman: nothing in /usr/share/doc/stun ? |
| 06:09.16 | webman | simonrvn: only the changelog, copyright, README.Debian and a nattestwarning.txt. The README.Debian tells me to uncomment START_DAEMON=true but doesn't tell me what the two required IP's are about? |
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| 06:10.35 | simonrvn | file a bug, that's not enough docu |
| 06:10.55 | simonrvn | should at the very least tell you where to get more info |
| 06:11.14 | itchi | webman: Did you look with dpkg -L stun ? |
| 06:11.23 | webman | itchi: yes |
| 06:11.40 | itchi | webman: Yeah, complain for missing docs then |
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| 06:11.46 | simonrvn | debhelper is generally smart about that sort of thing, unless the packager forgot to include it |
| 06:12.22 | simonrvn | webman: one more thing, anything in the package description? sometimes they put stuff there |
| 06:12.55 | webman | simonrvn: how do you view that?? I only usually use apt-cache search pkgname which is just a one-liner |
| 06:13.09 | itchi | webman: apt-cache show foo |
| 06:13.10 | simonrvn | apt-cache show <pkg> |
| 06:13.31 | itchi | webman: Sure that there's no man page too? |
| 06:13.33 | simonrvn | shows you most everything |
| 06:13.43 | simonrvn | try running man stun |
| 06:14.04 | itchi | webman: ^^ or see with dpkg -L stun |
| 06:14.09 | webman | no man page included, and the description doesn't include anything more than a description |
| 06:14.17 | simonrvn | *then* if no man page, or url or something, file the bug |
| 06:14.28 | simonrvn | yes |
| 06:14.34 | simonrvn | what itchi said |
| 06:14.34 | dondelelcaro | if it's an executable without a manpage, it's buggy |
| 06:14.51 | webman | I did dpkg -L stun and there is two binary's and the few doc files, and the init file, and the default/stun file |
| 06:15.10 | simonrvn | reportbug stun ;) |
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| 06:17.20 | itchi | webman: I confirm, you need to fill a bugreport. (I just installed it to see) |
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| 06:17.53 | itchi | I want a way to see the content of a package without installing it :-) |
| 06:18.54 | sep | itchi, if the packagelist is enoughf jsut loko it up on packages.debian.org |
| 06:19.10 | sep | itchi, if you want to look at everything you can use dpkg-deb to extract it |
| 06:19.12 | itchi | sep: Yeah, that may enought |
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| 06:19.48 | endra | NICE |
| 06:19.50 | endra | Ndiswrapper FTW. |
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| 06:19.59 | endra | Thank you. |
| 06:20.00 | Kevin` | ndiswrapper FTL |
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| 06:22.05 | SoulChild | Hey all |
| 06:22.15 | itchi | sep: Thanks, dpkg-deb seems *that* good :-) |
| 06:22.43 | SoulChild | Is it true, that software updates are earlier available for ubuntu than for debian ? |
| 06:23.13 | webman | how critical is the bug?? |
| 06:23.24 | itchi | SoulChild: Not really |
| 06:23.33 | endra | what bug |
| 06:23.50 | webman | the stun lack of documentation... |
| 06:24.19 | itchi | SoulChild: Debian have 3 diff releases, look to /msg dpkg releases |
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| 06:24.42 | itchi | (without talking about experimental) |
| 06:24.47 | SoulChild | itchi: 3 different releases ??? |
| 06:25.00 | itchi | SoulChild: Stable, testing, unstable |
| 06:25.19 | itchi | SoulChild: Ubuntu make use of a mix of the testing and unstable release of Debian |
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| 06:27.57 | itchi | !bug |
| 06:27.57 | dpkg | [bug] bad news |
| 06:28.01 | itchi | hehe |
| 06:28.29 | itchi | endra: For that missing docs (man page) for the package 'stun' |
| 06:28.38 | itchi | webman: I dunno, i'm searching |
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| 06:30.41 | amphi | itchi: 'branches' more than 'releases' - stable is a 'release' IMHO, but not the others </pedant> |
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| 06:32.10 | itchi | "Debian always has at least three releases in active maintenance: “stableâ€, “testing†and “unstableâ€." from http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 06:32.22 | itchi | I understand why that's confusing |
| 06:32.44 | amphi | itchi: that's me out-pedanted then ;) |
| 06:32.54 | itchi | amphi: No probs ;-) |
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| 06:33.32 | itchi | endra: I not find that info back right now, still searching ... |
| 06:33.58 | Supaplex | dpkg: bug is also see bts. |
| 06:33.58 | dpkg | bug is also see bts. can be viewed at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=is also see bts. |
| 06:34.12 | Supaplex | oh lol. |
| 06:34.19 | Supaplex | someone updated it just now :P |
| 06:34.21 | Vasistha | !bugs |
| 06:34.23 | dpkg | error: could not parse |
| 06:34.26 | itchi | endra: Got it http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
| 06:34.37 | Vasistha | oh yeah -- that one's even weirder |
| 06:34.38 | Supaplex | dpkg: bug =~ s/is also see bts.// |
| 06:34.38 | dpkg | that doesn't contain 'is also see bts.', Supaplex |
| 06:34.48 | Supaplex | dpkg: bug |
| 06:34.48 | dpkg | it has been said that bug is bad news |
| 06:34.58 | Supaplex | uh ok. |
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| 06:36.01 | itchi | endra: I may say 'serious' cause it "severe violation of Debian policy" See http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer#severities But otherwise i may say 'normal' |
| 06:36.04 | dondelelcaro | amphi: unforutnatly, the terminology for refering to testing, stable experimental, and unstbale are not quite stabalized; you'll hear them called releases, suites, distributions, and a few other things |
| 06:36.23 | amphi | dondelelcaro: 'suites'? egad ;) |
| 06:36.25 | amphi | thanks |
| 06:36.26 | Supaplex | dondelelcaro: dpkg is a little confused. :P I give up! |
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| 06:36.41 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: literal bug |
| 06:36.41 | dpkg | "bug" is "bad news" |
| 06:36.45 | itchi | dondelelcaro: You can give a confirmation :-) |
| 06:37.00 | Supaplex | dpkg: literal bug is also see bts. |
| 06:37.00 | dpkg | bug is also see bts. can be viewed at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=is also see bts. |
| 06:37.39 | itchi | heh |
| 06:37.49 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: no, bug is <reply> see bts |
| 06:37.49 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: okay |
| 06:38.05 | dondelelcaro | Supaplex: you're triggering the command bug |
| 06:38.10 | dondelelcaro | !bug 30000 |
| 06:38.11 | dpkg | bug 30000 can be viewed at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=30000 |
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| 06:38.24 | Supaplex | oOOOOhhh. |
| 06:38.32 | Vasistha | hahaha ... I see the light |
| 06:38.38 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 30000 |
| 06:38.41 | dpkg | #:N[] ; |
| 06:38.46 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 300000 |
| 06:38.47 | Supaplex | thanks dondelelcaro you rocketh. |
| 06:38.49 | dpkg | DONE:#300000:M[libcrypt-ssleay-perl] libcrypt-ssleay-perl: package description typo(s) and the like; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:07:20 UTC |
| 06:38.52 | dondelelcaro | is far more useful, though |
| 06:39.07 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: forget cmd: bug (.*?) |
| 06:39.07 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: i forgot cmd: bug (.*?) |
| 06:39.40 | dondelelcaro | Supaplex: np |
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| 06:39.58 | Supaplex | *nod* |
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| 06:40.17 | piztek | is there anything that can be done to improve the XFree86 acceleration of the mouse? |
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| 06:40.59 | itchi | dondelelcaro: For that missing man page for that 'stun' package, which severity level may that? |
| 06:41.09 | Supaplex | documentation |
| 06:41.17 | rdz | hey all. what tool do you use to displaye cpu temperature and cpu frequency? |
| 06:41.25 | Vasistha | piztek: your DE ought to have a way to control it ... have you looked for mouse settings? |
| 06:41.30 | cast | rdz: lmsensors |
| 06:41.36 | Supaplex | rdz: ksensors |
| 06:41.40 | itchi | rdz: 'apci -t' |
| 06:41.47 | rdz | cast, Supaplex itchi thanks |
| 06:42.03 | litage | okay guys, i've got a very strange problem. sometimes when the daily cron job executes /etc/logrotate.d/syslog-ng and reloads syslog-ng, syslog-ng stops. this happened on sunday, tuesday, and just now. i've been investigating it since sunday, but can't find any reason why it happens. all i know is that when syslog-ng is reloaded, it sometimes stops |
| 06:42.04 | piztek | Vasistha: let me show you this link |
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| 06:42.18 | piztek | http://gnomesupport.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=838&highlight=mouse |
| 06:42.42 | Vasistha | it would be just like gnome to hide a feature like mouse acceleration |
| 06:43.01 | dondelelcaro | itchi: it's a violation of a should directive of policy, so just file it at normal serverity |
| 06:43.14 | dondelelcaro | itchi: it's a bug, but it's not a policy violation |
| 06:43.25 | regulate | how does one blacklist a package |
| 06:43.26 | piztek | Vasistha: something is said about setting xset, but even here it says it doesn't fix the problem |
| 06:43.32 | dondelelcaro | regulate: why do you want to do that? |
| 06:43.34 | amphi | piztek: xset can do it also |
| 06:43.52 | piztek | amphi: they say xset doesn't fix it here |
| 06:43.53 | Vasistha | piztek: true, but the post was also written in 2002, and the problem may well be fixed by now. |
| 06:44.11 | piztek | it wasn't when i tried a week ago |
| 06:44.13 | itchi | endra: Did you follow what dondelelcaro told? |
| 06:44.15 | amphi | piztek: great |
| 06:44.15 | piztek | how do i use xset? |
| 06:44.20 | Vasistha | piztek: so why don't you try reading man xset, turn on the acceleration, and see if it works? |
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| 06:44.34 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Thanks for the confirmation :-) |
| 06:44.34 | regulate | dondelelcaro: i'm building my own, it complains about depends, installing it via --force-all gives me the desired results. apt-get still wants me to fix the depend problem |
| 06:44.37 | dondelelcaro | itchi, endra: it's section 12.1 of policy if you want to read it |
| 06:44.42 | Vasistha | piztek: erm, they don't even say in that post that it *doesn't work* -- they say it's not smooth. |
| 06:44.47 | dondelelcaro | regulate: you need to fix the dependencies |
| 06:44.55 | dondelelcaro | regulate: --force-all should never be used. |
| 06:44.59 | regulate | dondelelcaro: ati |
| 06:45.12 | piztek | yeah, not smooth is most likely not fixed |
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| 06:45.22 | dondelelcaro | if the dependencies are wrong, and you know they are wrong, unpack the package, fix them, and then dpkg -i it. |
| 06:45.32 | dondelelcaro | regulate: man dpkg-deb; for details on how to do that |
| 06:45.41 | dondelelcaro | (you want the -e and -x options, and latter, the -b option) |
| 06:45.44 | regulate | k |
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| 06:46.17 | Vasistha | piztek: it also may very well be fixed in xorg. What version of debian are you using? |
| 06:46.17 | dondelelcaro | 'course, if this is a Debian provided package, odds are that the dependencies are actually correct. |
| 06:46.25 | regulate | it isnt |
| 06:46.27 | piztek | lenny |
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| 06:46.51 | Vasistha | piztek: alright, so you should really say you're using xorg, not xfree86 |
| 06:48.23 | piztek | can anyone find if it's been fixed? |
| 06:48.25 | piztek | I can't. |
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| 06:49.29 | itchi | endra: Did you fill it? |
| 06:49.38 | itchi | endra: Or may, plan you to do it? |
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| 06:50.01 | itchi | maybe* |
| 06:50.16 | Vasistha | piztek: hehehe ... I just realized that it would be appropriate for me to actually *test* it on my box -- and mouse acceleration is working quite nicely for me. |
| 06:50.17 | itchi | endra: Just let it know if you not plan to fill the bug heh |
| 06:50.53 | Vasistha | piztek: I use a synaptics touchpad, though ... although ... erm, damn, I left my mouse at Dad's, can't test with a traditional mouse atm. |
| 06:51.12 | piztek | Vasistha: did you xset? |
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| 06:53.15 | Vasistha | piztek: no, but I may have messed with the synaptics settings, or I may have done something else ... it's been a while, I don't really remember what I did :P |
| 06:53.15 | piztek | there are synaptic settings for it? |
| 06:53.15 | Vasistha | piztek: I dunno, actually. Honestly, I probably would have used kde's control panel -- it includes advanced settings for all that stuff. |
| 06:53.25 | Vasistha | I've currently got accel 2.0x; threshold 20px; dunno if that means anything outside the kde control panel :P |
| 06:53.52 | piztek | so you're on kde not gnome? |
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| 06:54.11 | piztek | or you use kwin with gnome |
| 06:54.31 | Vasistha | <--- never used gnome; shudders at gtk interfaces |
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| 06:55.01 | epsilon | I can't get in etch's gnome-terminal antialising used: http://raid1.net/main/no-antialising.png - what do I wrong? I have setup in gnome's font setting: "Font Rendering -> best shapes", "Smoothing -> Greyscale", "Hinting -> Full". Everything else is antialised, but not only in gnome-terminal, it's still in monochrome |
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| 06:55.38 | regulate | dondelelcaro: thx |
| 06:55.40 | Vasistha | epsilon: have you checked what font gnome-terminal is using? Maybe it's using a bitmapped font... |
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| 06:57.29 | epsilon | Vasistha: Monospace 10, If I use the same font/size for example in xchat, it's perfectly antialised |
| 06:57.34 | rdz | is there a way to force the cpu to run at a certain frequency? |
| 06:58.17 | epsilon | but only not in gnome terminal |
| 06:58.17 | Vasistha | rdz: you restarted gnome-terminal, right? |
| 06:58.17 | Kevin` | rdz yes, use the userspace driver for cpu frequency scaling |
| 06:58.18 | Kevin` | then tell it a frequency |
| 06:58.18 | rdz | Vasistha, i am trying to undervoltage my cpu |
| 06:58.22 | Kevin` | control files are in /sys |
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| 06:58.32 | rdz | Kevin`, how is that done? |
| 06:58.33 | Vasistha | s/rdz/epsilon/ |
| 06:58.41 | endra | Wait, what? I was watching Lost |
| 06:58.45 | rdz | Vasistha, ah ok.... ;-) |
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| 06:58.47 | epsilon | and the issue is not only limited on Monospace, all other font shows the same issue |
| 06:58.48 | Kevin` | rdz moment, and i'll get an example |
| 06:58.54 | endra | I didn't report any bug.. nor do I know what you are talking about :P |
| 06:59.00 | Vasistha | epsilon: ...did you restart gnome-terminal? |
| 06:59.03 | epsilon | yes, restarted gnome, X,... |
| 06:59.27 | Supaplex | rdz: acpi/power controll can help |
| 06:59.43 | Vasistha | epsilon: ahh, right. irc.gnome.org might be a better place to ask :P although perhaps someone here will pipe up |
| 06:59.47 | itchi | endra: About that missing man page |
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| 06:59.57 | epsilon | just upgraded from sarge -> etch, everything's working fine except that terminal font :/ |
| 07:00.00 | Kevin` | rdz http://pastebin.ca/506845 - example of lowering frequency on my server to 225mhz |
| 07:00.02 | itchi | rdz: Look on https://www.dedigentoo.org/trac/linux-phc/ |
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| 07:00.10 | epsilon | irc.gnome.org is dead, only idlers |
| 07:00.27 | rdz | itchi, it is already working. i just need to find out the correct values.. |
| 07:00.33 | Vasistha | epsilon: put the question out there and go idle yourself; check back in a couple hours |
| 07:00.36 | rdz | that is why i need to force a certain freq |
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| 07:00.38 | endra | itchi: I wasn't the one who mentioned it :P |
| 07:00.42 | rdz | Kevin`, thanks a lot |
| 07:01.13 | Kevin` | rdz echo userspace >/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
| 07:01.37 | rdz | Kevin`, what is the last line for? |
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| 07:01.48 | itchi | endra: Ow sorry, i wat 'webman' but he leaved the building, f*ck |
| 07:01.49 | Kevin` | you would have to do that first |
| 07:01.58 | rdz | ah, i tried the wrong file. i tried cpu_cur_freq |
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| 07:02.22 | rdz | Kevin`, hey, dude. you helped me a lot. many thanks |
| 07:02.35 | Kevin` | np |
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| 07:02.53 | regulate | my insmod seg faults |
| 07:02.56 | regulate | any ideas? |
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| 07:03.18 | itchi | !tell HaHaWhatsUp about root |
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| 07:03.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello. My ISP ties IP addresses to MAC addresses permanently, so that if I disconnect my router and reconnect it, I get the same IP address again. I want to change the MAC address. Can I just enter a random one, or must I follow some specific pattern, or whatever? |
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| 07:04.34 | itchi | Dark_Apostrophe: See macchanger and macchanger-gtk |
| 07:04.39 | Kevin` | Dark_Apostrophe the first three octects of the mac address are the vendor, the last three are the unique id. almost all mac addresses are valid |
| 07:04.40 | rdz | Kevin`, wow, you could scale down your 1.8GHz down to 225MHz. didn't know that this is possible |
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| 07:05.02 | Kevin` | while running, too :) |
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| 07:05.17 | Dark_Apostrophe | itchi: It's on my router |
| 07:05.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | Kevin`: Ah, ok, cool |
| 07:05.35 | itchi | Dark_Apostrophe: Ah, not a computer router |
| 07:05.49 | itchi | Dark_Apostrophe: Not like my super cow of 233MHz :-) |
| 07:06.02 | Kevin` | Dark_Apostrophe there is technically a reserved range you should use for hand chosen mac addresses, but I forget how that works |
| 07:06.08 | Dark_Apostrophe | Just a regular household router |
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| 07:06.24 | cafuego | Kevin`: I can flip one of the high bits, but I forget which one :-/ |
| 07:06.25 | Dark_Apostrophe | Off the shelf d-link crap. :) |
| 07:06.45 | Kevin` | every "router" device I have here at my house runs linux |
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| 07:06.54 | Kevin` | even the off the shelf ones :) |
| 07:07.08 | Dark_Apostrophe | This one does not, to my knowledge |
| 07:07.10 | Kevin` | I use the aforementioned 1.8ghz p4 as my actual router though |
| 07:07.16 | Kevin` | what's the exact model name? |
| 07:07.28 | Dark_Apostrophe | D-Link DI-604 Revision D |
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| 07:07.48 | cafuego | The 604 doesn't run Linux |
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| 07:07.58 | Dark_Apostrophe | Thought so |
| 07:08.03 | Kevin` | it's not about "does run", it's about "can run" |
| 07:08.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | Anyway, what exactly do I do about the MAC address? I don't want to screw it up, but I also hate using the same IP for months. >.< |
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| 07:08.57 | dondelelcaro | Dark_Apostrophe: it's not like changing your ip is going to do anything for you as far as anonymization goes |
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| 07:09.00 | itchi | Dark_Apostrophe: The same ip should be not a problem at all |
| 07:09.01 | piztek | gnome logs in to nothing but the desktop and cursor |
| 07:09.05 | cafuego | Dark_Apostrophe: Make it start with 01: instead of 00: and elave the rest the same. |
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| 07:09.33 | Dark_Apostrophe | cafuego: Ok.. |
| 07:09.33 | dondelelcaro | (and duplicate mac addresses are fine, so long as they aren't duplicated on the same physical segment) |
| 07:09.55 | Kevin` | Dark_Apostrophe here's some info about linux on that device: http://www.linux-mips.org/wiki/Realtek_SOC, I think those devices don't have an mmu so it's uclinux, but I could be wrong |
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| 07:10.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | Kevin`: It's my dad's router - I'll leave it alone until I move out of here, and get my own. :) |
| 07:11.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | cafuego: That'll make the ISP give me a new IP, right? |
| 07:11.01 | dimir | Moin! |
| 07:11.05 | Kevin` | I suggest you get a more easily hackable router, personally |
| 07:11.17 | cafuego | Dark_Apostrophe: In theory, yes. |
| 07:11.18 | Dark_Apostrophe | I will |
| 07:11.34 | Dark_Apostrophe | I intend to get a Linksys WRT54G |
| 07:11.35 | itchi | Dark_Apostrophe: I'm not sure about it, i think you will be without 'net' for arround 30-60 minutes |
| 07:11.42 | piztek | can anyone help? gnome logs in to a blank screen |
| 07:11.44 | Kevin` | and do look into it before you go out and buy something, the wrt54g people always seem to get is a bad choice nowadays |
| 07:11.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | No problem, I'm gonna go to school now. |
| 07:12.02 | Kevin` | there's a lot better routers then the wrt54g. new models have very little storage and ram |
| 07:12.31 | cafuego | The 8M/16M ones are fine; they run Linux & radius, what more do you need :-) |
| 07:12.35 | Kevin` | Dark_Apostrophe http://wiki.openwrt.org/TableOfHardware |
| 07:12.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok, cool :D |
| 07:12.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | Anyway, here goes nothing. Bye :) |
| 07:13.01 | itchi | Dark_Apostrophe: At least that ^ happend here for some ISP's |
| 07:13.25 | regulate | so why would insmod segv |
| 07:13.43 | Kevin` | cafuego I don't think any of the models had exactly 8mb/16mb |
| 07:13.46 | tarzeau | does someone have a problem with locks and nfs onto a freebsd machine from etch? |
| 07:13.59 | Kevin` | 8/23, 4/16.. |
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| 07:14.09 | piztek | how can i completely reset gnome |
| 07:14.26 | cafuego | Kevin`: mine thinks it does |
| 07:14.29 | Kevin` | piztek settings are stored in .directories in your home dir |
| 07:14.35 | cafuego | well, 8/14 |
| 07:14.40 | Kevin` | cafuego and it's a normal wrt54g? |
| 07:15.02 | cafuego | wrt54gl v1.1 |
| 07:15.12 | beap | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:15.40 | Kevin` | cafuego you should try running debian or something on it :) |
| 07:15.44 | Supaplex | don't delete .gnome* just move/rename them |
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| 07:15.58 | Supaplex | so you can restore them or inspect them later |
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| 07:16.16 | beap | ya the safest way |
| 07:16.23 | cafuego | Kevin`: Why? it does what i want it to do. Runs openwrt/freeradius, so I have wpa enterprise speaking eap/tls to the openldap box |
| 07:16.26 | piztek | still nothing. should i be loggin into metacity? |
| 07:16.37 | Kevin` | cafuego because? |
| 07:16.38 | Vasistha | beap: you generally shouldn't advise people to do that without clarification. Those folders can hold real user data |
| 07:16.39 | Kevin` | :) |
| 07:16.49 | cafuego | !rule 1 |
| 07:16.49 | dpkg | If it's not broken, don't fix it. |
| 07:16.56 | Kevin` | lol |
| 07:17.23 | cafuego | If I trash it, all mythtv machines stop working. That way lies pain. |
| 07:17.33 | Kevin` | i'm currently trying to "fix" a wgt624 running vxworks |
| 07:17.39 | Kevin` | having odd issues on that hardware |
| 07:18.09 | piztek | where are gnome startup app setting stored |
| 07:18.24 | JarJarBinks|meta | Hi I need to install some pcf fonts, I wrote a small guide for my self on my homepage when I did it a couple of years ago. My guide does not work anymore, and I suspect it might be because I am now using xorg (which I didn't when I wrote the guide). How would I "install" a font globally running xorg 7.1 |
| 07:18.52 | endra | http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=23266&promoid=1034 |
| 07:18.59 | Vasistha | JarJarBinks|meta: have you checked out defoma ? |
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| 07:19.16 | cafuego | piztek: ~/.gconfd/saved_state I thinj |
| 07:19.41 | Kevin` | endra reasonable I suppose. why did you link to that |
| 07:19.52 | endra | Accident :P |
| 07:19.58 | endra | Meant to paste elsewhere :P |
| 07:20.04 | endra | Sorry :) |
| 07:20.16 | JarJarBinks|meta | Vasistha: I'll do that now |
| 07:20.20 | endra | Actually, while we're on the subject of hardware, I need a new laptop. |
| 07:20.23 | itchi | endra: Weird, some things are *that* expensif in the US and some other things are that cheap :-s |
| 07:20.46 | endra | If I get this Apple MAcBook, can I install Debian on it? |
| 07:21.00 | Kevin` | probably. my brother has debian on a macbook |
| 07:21.00 | Vasistha | !macbook |
| 07:21.00 | dpkg | macbook is, like, http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook or now known to work under bootcamp, details still sparse |
| 07:21.04 | Kevin` | it wasn't hard to do |
| 07:21.13 | piztek | no, it's the startup option I added for compiz that's causing the problem |
| 07:21.18 | Kevin` | I didn't need bootcamp |
| 07:21.44 | endra | Meh, forget it. |
| 07:21.49 | endra | I still need a laptop :( |
| 07:22.03 | Kevin` | forget it? it's a rather nice laptop :) |
| 07:22.11 | endra | 2 years ago, I would have settled for a decent 15 incher. |
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| 07:22.26 | endra | Now I want at least Core 2 Duo 1.6+, 17 inch, 40gb+, 2GB ram :( |
| 07:22.36 | Kevin` | why not settle for a 2 year old 15 inch laptop then? it'll work fine :) |
| 07:22.41 | endra | Anyone else ever go on the dell website and customize a laptop to the max? |
| 07:22.41 | piztek | almost had it, how can I completely remove gnome and it's folders and reinstall it? |
| 07:22.55 | tarzeau | endra: i prefer the apple laptops :) |
| 07:22.55 | Kevin` | I don't like dell's consumer hardware |
| 07:23.05 | endra | Really? You guys use Mac? |
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| 07:23.09 | Kevin` | or any of their hardware for that matter, enterprise stuff is overpriced, consumer stuff is crap |
| 07:23.10 | endra | I've never even touched a mac. |
| 07:23.20 | Vasistha | Kevin`: dells are awful :) |
| 07:23.25 | tarzeau | endra: sure, very nice w/ intel cpu or powerpc, runs debian nicely too |
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| 07:23.36 | piztek | almost had it, how can I completely remove gnome and it's folders and reinstall it? |
| 07:23.38 | endra | I don't know how processing power on a mac even works. |
| 07:23.39 | solar_ant | is there any tool to correct errors in mpeg ? |
| 07:23.48 | solar_ant | like i have a 700 mb movie , but it plays just for 18 sec |
| 07:23.56 | tarzeau | solar_ant: w/ mplayer? |
| 07:24.02 | tarzeau | solar_ant: maybe mencoder can fix stuff, no idea |
| 07:24.11 | Kevin` | endra a lot of the newer macs are intel processors. so the same way. ppc also is clocked in mhz.. |
| 07:24.11 | solar_ant | tarzeau: yeah mplayer , kaffeine , everything just plays it for 18 sec |
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| 07:24.18 | mass0ud | Hello |
| 07:24.18 | tarzeau | solar_ant: vlc? |
| 07:24.19 | Kevin` | but comparing the two directly is always silly |
| 07:24.19 | itchi | solar_ant: Yet Another Sad Download :-) |
| 07:24.29 | mass0ud | How can I make a FQDN change in /etc/hostname effective without rebooting? |
| 07:24.31 | endra | What about keyboard/mouse? Does it look the same? |
| 07:24.32 | solar_ant | itchi: yeah |
| 07:24.35 | Vasistha | solar_ant: ask #mplayer - I bet they're likelier than anyone else to be able to help you figure it out |
| 07:24.41 | piztek | how do i purge the gnome install and reinstall it |
| 07:24.42 | Vasistha | solar_ant: and read their faq's too |
| 07:24.47 | tarzeau | mass0ud: telinit q |
| 07:24.52 | tarzeau | mass0ud: logout, relogin |
| 07:24.52 | solar_ant | Vasistha: ok :) |
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| 07:24.58 | mass0ud | ok |
| 07:25.00 | tarzeau | mass0ud: did you aslo type hostname whatever? |
| 07:25.03 | Kevin` | endra mostly the same, there's a few differences in common keyboard layout |
| 07:25.06 | mass0ud | No, I didn't |
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| 07:25.08 | mass0ud | let me check |
| 07:25.08 | tarzeau | there's also a something in /proc |
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| 07:27.04 | endra | A 17" MacBook Pro STARTS at $3,099.00 USD |
| 07:27.11 | endra | You guys all win the lottery or something? |
| 07:28.04 | Vasistha | endra: there are some good resources for buying a linux-friendly laptop ... I'd go to one of those places, if I were you. You won't have such hardware trouble, you might even be able to get it with debian preinstalled, and they're affordable. |
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| 07:28.15 | itchi | endra: And what about price vs quality? :-) |
| 07:28.32 | endra | Vasistha: what sort of places? |
| 07:28.37 | itchi | endra: Not that i mean that it is better heh |
| 07:28.42 | endra | itchi: Quality isn't that good either :P |
| 07:28.48 | Vasistha | endra: online stores. Lemme see if I can find a link for ya |
| 07:29.09 | endra | Vasistha: googling now :-) |
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| 07:29.55 | endra | I'm thinking wait until Dell starts distributing Ubuntu preinstalled laptops, that should cut the price down by a good $200 |
| 07:30.15 | Vasistha | endra: emperorlinux.com |
| 07:30.37 | Vasistha | endra: the problem is that it'll still be a dell, which sucks. |
| 07:30.44 | itchi | endra: Buy one with that f*cking os and ask for a refund, these need to give you money back for it', it's in that License agreement too |
| 07:30.50 | cydork | endra: i don't think that price difference will be $200.. |
| 07:31.05 | endra | itchi: a refund on the operating system? |
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| 07:31.14 | itchi | endra: For that MS; yes |
| 07:31.23 | piztek | can anyone look at my xorg and tell me what might be causing problems in gnome? http://pastebin.ca/506858 |
| 07:31.26 | wols | endra: dream on |
| 07:31.27 | endra | itchi: wait, so I can buy a Dell, and ask for a refund on just the operating system? |
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| 07:31.40 | Begasus | any app that could handle iPods in Debian? |
| 07:31.43 | itchi | endra: Yeah, after a long fight, yes you get money back |
| 07:31.46 | endra | cydork: vista is quite experience |
| 07:31.52 | Vasistha | Begasus: gtkpod comes to mind |
| 07:31.58 | wols | cydork: vista costs about 30-40$ max |
| 07:32.05 | wols | erm, endra |
| 07:32.11 | Begasus | k checking Vasistha |
| 07:32.20 | Vasistha | Begasus: though there are probably other tools by now, too -- I think gtkpod was the first one to do it really well |
| 07:32.23 | itchi | wols: 150 euro here, for that Home (lighty one) |
| 07:32.30 | cydork | endra: the one you get with laptops is not. that's a OEM version. |
| 07:32.37 | wols | itchi: you confuse retail witht he prices dell pays |
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| 07:32.47 | bzed | Begasus: as far as I remember does amarok have some kind of ipod support, too. but no ipod, no reason to test it ;) |
| 07:32.49 | piztek | can anyone look at my xorg and tell me what might be causing problems in gnome? http://pastebin.ca/506858 |
| 07:33.01 | Begasus | mplayer opens the iPod but doesn't seem to handle it very well |
| 07:33.07 | Vasistha | !tell piztek -about repeat |
| 07:33.09 | itchi | piztek: Beryl-manager that startup automagically ...?? |
| 07:33.14 | endra | Begasus: Amarok works great. |
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| 07:33.26 | endra | Begasus: KDE? |
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| 07:33.33 | Begasus | how 'bout Totem as that is default in atm |
| 07:33.33 | itchi | wols: I dunno how Dell proceed about that :-s |
| 07:33.35 | piztek | itchi: i have compiz --replace as a startup |
| 07:33.36 | Begasus | gnome endra |
| 07:33.44 | piztek | after editing my xorg, and gnome won't start |
| 07:33.58 | Begasus | itchi: there is a beryl chan around also ;) |
| 07:34.01 | itchi | piztek: But it not fall back to another wm ? |
| 07:34.02 | wols | piztek: then it's not gnome that won't start but your X is hsed |
| 07:34.10 | itchi | Begasus: Yeah sure :-p |
| 07:34.17 | piztek | but its fine with kde |
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| 07:34.34 | Begasus | running beryl on the pc on etch |
| 07:34.37 | endra | cydork: Vista Home Basic Retail is $259 here |
| 07:34.47 | endra | OEM of course will be different |
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| 07:34.57 | itchi | !tell _akira_ about root |
| 07:35.10 | piztek | wols: would it be okay in kde and not gnome? |
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| 07:35.38 | wols | puffi: does kde use beryl? and what is the error you get when it won't start? |
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| 07:35.56 | cydork | endra: i was talking about OEM the one you get it preinstalled. anyways enough OT :) |
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| 07:36.12 | piztek | kde is not using beryl, and i do not get an error, i get a black screen with a cursor |
| 07:36.15 | piztek | i think its the desktop |
| 07:36.20 | endra | cydork: which is why I said OEM will have different pricing :P |
| 07:36.32 | jetscreamer | anybody know what they did to fuckup xine? |
| 07:36.35 | itchi | piztek: Make a 'test' user, and look if it happend again |
| 07:36.36 | wols | piztek: what is the error with gnome? |
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| 07:36.58 | piztek | wols: the error is that it won't start |
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| 07:37.06 | piztek | it only goes to a cursor and a black background |
| 07:37.07 | wols | jetscreamer: they gave it to dorks like this jetscreamer |
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| 07:37.30 | wols | piztek: that's BS. it will spew out errors. most probably in the logs |
| 07:37.31 | jetscreamer | ask a serious question, get a debianized answer... |
| 07:37.37 | endra | Vasistha: these linux laptops are even more expensive than straight from dell :P |
| 07:37.46 | wols | jetscreamer: you asked a dumb question and you know it |
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| 07:37.46 | itchi | !rule 6 |
| 07:37.47 | dpkg | rumour has it, rule 6 is "Ask a stupid question - get a stupid answer" |
| 07:37.47 | piztek | wols: where are they located? |
| 07:37.54 | itchi | hehe :-p |
| 07:38.01 | Vasistha | endra: yeah, but they're better quality than dells. dell makes low quality hardware. |
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| 07:38.03 | jetscreamer | wols: i can rephrase it to say the same thing |
| 07:38.06 | jetscreamer | but why |
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| 07:38.16 | roland | hi.. my bind fail again even after TLD updated my IP of nameserver .. http://pastebin.ca/506863 thanks |
| 07:38.25 | wols | jetscreamer: it's not the phrasing that was dumb |
| 07:38.38 | piztek | wols: where is the log located? |
| 07:38.49 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:38.53 | jetscreamer | ok.. how about ' what happened to fuck up zine' |
| 07:38.56 | jetscreamer | err xine |
| 07:39.15 | wols | jetscreamer: I told you it's not the phrasing that is dumb |
| 07:39.26 | piztek | wols: which file? |
| 07:39.29 | jetscreamer | s/happened/happened\ upstream/ |
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| 07:39.47 | jetscreamer | wols: i might have to give up on you.. and i had suck high hopes |
| 07:39.52 | jetscreamer | such |
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| 07:40.02 | hackmiker | suck |
| 07:40.26 | jetscreamer | wols: ah you're right, i didn't specify sid |
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| 07:40.38 | jetscreamer | ok add sid now answer |
| 07:40.53 | wols | and if you have problems with what upstream did, asking here is totally braindead... |
| 07:41.09 | wols | jetscreamer: no. you did a totally shitty, no good error description |
| 07:41.11 | piztek | wols: which file? |
| 07:41.16 | jetscreamer | wols: anything not here in my house could be upstream |
| 07:41.21 | piztek | is it in gdm? |
| 07:41.26 | jetscreamer | zzz |
| 07:41.31 | wols | you seem to need one badly |
| 07:41.41 | piztek | well nobody is helping |
| 07:41.47 | wols | !volunteer |
| 07:41.47 | dpkg | hmm... volunteer is Please report to furrywolf's laboratory for conductivity testing immediately. |
| 07:41.50 | piztek | the compiz howto screwed everything up |
| 07:42.00 | jetscreamer | it's probably named gdm.log |
| 07:42.03 | jetscreamer | wow |
| 07:42.12 | roland | http://pastebin.ca/506864 |
| 07:42.18 | wols | jetscreamer: please don't make assumptions when you don't know what's going on |
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| 07:42.23 | unix_infidel | anyone here familiar with decent zencart docs, the ones on the website are pretty bad. |
| 07:42.36 | unix_infidel | i'm specifically looking for good docs on how to implement templates for zencart. |
| 07:43.04 | itchi | piztek: Do i it for money? |
| 07:43.06 | wols | unix_infidel: and zencart is? |
| 07:43.21 | wols | itchi: I don't fscking care, YOU help me. NOW |
| 07:43.51 | piztek | http://pastebin.ca/506867 |
| 07:43.59 | itchi | wols: Oh, i have not been understand, i think i misunderstand it |
| 07:44.05 | unix_infidel | lol, ok anyone else? |
| 07:44.33 | itchi | Yeah, i have maybe need to say us instead of 'i' |
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| 07:44.58 | Vasistha | unix_infidel: that's really not on-topic. ask somewhere else |
| 07:45.05 | wols | itchi: you need to learn english instead :) |
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| 07:45.18 | unix_infidel | Vasistha: any recommendations. |
| 07:45.26 | wols | unix_infidel: #web ? |
| 07:45.28 | itchi | wols: That too :-p |
| 07:45.37 | unix_infidel | I usually find smart people and since debian is largely a server OS for commerce platforms like zencart. |
| 07:45.39 | Vasistha | unix_infidel: there are probably some zencart support forums |
| 07:45.40 | wols | itchi: I'm still waiting for my help btw :) |
| 07:46.02 | wols | unix_infidel: if you find smart people usually, why did you come here? |
| 07:46.05 | itchi | wols: I dunno with what i may help you |
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| 07:46.16 | wols | itchi: I don't care. but you have to help me |
| 07:46.20 | itchi | wols: You tooooo great, compared to me heh |
| 07:46.23 | unix_infidel | wols: is that a rhetorical question? |
| 07:46.25 | wols | oh well piztek is already gone |
| 07:46.31 | itchi | sh*t, you're* |
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| 07:46.46 | happydog | anybody knows rsync and anonftpsync?I need you help,but now I have a bad network connection,so please contact me with email joelgm1986@gmail.com |
| 07:46.46 | wols | unix_infidel: no. it's a logical impossibility |
| 07:46.56 | unix_infidel | wols: usually finding smart people here? |
| 07:47.05 | wols | unix_infidel: and this is where you error |
| 07:47.17 | wols | anyways: you are totally OT here as Vasistha said |
| 07:47.20 | unix_infidel | oh jeez, a semantics guy with time on his hands. |
| 07:47.28 | itchi | happydog: Heh, post a mail on the usenet heh |
| 07:47.30 | Vasistha | happydog: check the debian mailing lists |
| 07:47.31 | wols | zencart is no debian software and asking about web development is totally OT |
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| 07:48.09 | piztek | wols: would purging the install and reinstalling fix it? or is it xorg? |
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| 07:48.45 | wols | it is some configu you broke when doing that compiz thing most likely. and you broke X that way. Also that paste you pasted: what's it supposed to show us? |
| 07:48.54 | jetscreamer | so aside from wols, i suppose nobody knows |
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| 07:49.21 | wols | jetscreamer: I don't know either and you STILL haven't given any decent error description |
| 07:49.27 | happydog | thanks,but I've never use it... |
| 07:49.36 | wols | so unless we have psychics here, no one ever will be able to help you |
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| 07:49.54 | wols | (I doubt anyone here will be able to help you even when you give one but that's beside the point) |
| 07:50.04 | itchi | piztek: I suspect that compiz/beryl start with gnome, ask #beryl or #gnome maybe |
| 07:50.18 | happydog | thank you guys,I'll do it by myself |
| 07:50.26 | wols | piztek: he said beryl starts with kde |
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| 07:50.40 | wols | erm itchi |
| 07:50.55 | jetscreamer | wols: i don't have one. it's borked. no video, only audio. mplayer or xine, i now know. worked the other day. now it doesn't work on files it worked on previously. and if anybody HAD known, an explanation would have been redundant. |
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| 07:51.11 | itchi | wols: Yeah, i dunno what the trouble is, heh, otherwise it was already fixed :-p |
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| 07:51.32 | wols | jetscreamer: mplayer <videofile> in a xterm. there it will psew out lots of funny symbols commonly known as letters |
| 07:51.42 | jetscreamer | wols: been there |
| 07:51.48 | wols | jetscreamer: and? |
| 07:51.49 | jetscreamer | no help |
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| 07:51.56 | jetscreamer | all 'normal' |
| 07:51.58 | wols | do you want us to guess what it said out of the ordinary? |
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| 07:52.10 | Vasistha | jetscreamer: and yet it didn't occur to you that this information might be useful to *someone* like us who might be able to interpret some of that? |
| 07:52.11 | wols | so mplayer loads. spews out a few things and stops again? |
| 07:52.18 | jetscreamer | no |
| 07:52.29 | jetscreamer | plays the file, gives me audio |
| 07:52.29 | roland | can anyone please help me ? im having dns issues with my domain (assa-electronic.ro) , if anyone can check http://pastebin.ca/506864 to see all my config is ok |
| 07:52.34 | roland | but domain still doesnt resolve |
| 07:52.35 | Vasistha | jetscreamer: and did you try running with more verbosity? |
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| 07:53.18 | yonde | got this error in installing a program: Setting up courier-webadmin (0.53.3-5) ... |
| 07:53.19 | yonde | cp: cannot create regular file `/usr/lib/cgi-bin/courierwebadmin': No such file or directory |
| 07:53.19 | yonde | what could be wrong? |
| 07:53.21 | Azar | roland: your domain is registered and refered to your isp provider ? |
| 07:53.39 | itchi | yonde: What did you to get that error? |
| 07:53.40 | wols | yonde: where is the .deb from exactly? which repo, what debian version? |
| 07:53.51 | jetscreamer | Vasistha: no help also |
| 07:53.55 | wols | Azar: he wants to run his own nameservre |
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| 07:54.01 | yonde | itchi: apt-get install courier-webadmin |
| 07:54.03 | piztek | can I reset my xorg? |
| 07:54.08 | Azar | wols: yes if his isp provider allows him |
| 07:54.09 | roland | Azar: my domain is registerd but i need to run my own bind |
| 07:54.19 | roland | wich has been working fine before i changed my router/ip |
| 07:54.30 | wols | roland: there are tons of free DNS servers out htere |
| 07:54.36 | yonde | wols: fr 'testing' repo |
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| 07:54.50 | roland | wols : like what |
| 07:54.52 | piztek | can i reset xorg.conf? |
| 07:54.55 | Azar | ah... I see gotta link the new ip to it |
| 07:55.00 | wols | !tell piztek about drxx |
| 07:55.04 | itchi | yonde: Which version of Debian use you? |
| 07:55.14 | jetscreamer | note: i can see it in avidemux |
| 07:55.17 | itchi | oeps |
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| 07:55.37 | Vasistha | jetscreamer: okay, you just need to read some of the FAQ's about smart questions ... I don't think it'll be possible to help you, otherwise. For example, http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
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| 07:55.49 | yonde | itchi: i think it is r3.1, but been a long time, is there a way to check on it now? |
| 07:55.57 | roland | uh oh |
| 07:55.57 | itchi | yonde: That's not yet reported, so fill a bug |
| 07:56.08 | roland | i just think i forgot to mention external port range in router for dns |
| 07:56.11 | Vasistha | yonde: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 07:56.12 | roland | so... |
| 07:56.17 | yonde | k |
| 07:56.19 | wols | roland: http://soa.granitecanyon.com/ for example. google "free dns" |
| 07:56.38 | wols | yonde: dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1 |
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| 07:56.43 | yang | how do i reconfigure keymap? |
| 07:56.48 | wols | !keymap |
| 07:56.49 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx |
| 07:57.15 | Azar | wols: you are really doing a roland gaross tournament here :) |
| 07:57.27 | yonde | cat /etc/debian_version gives me lenny/sid. ring a bell? |
| 07:57.35 | Azar | | . | |
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| 07:57.49 | itchi | OUT |
| 07:57.53 | streuner | yonde: please give us the whole output |
| 07:58.00 | wols | yonde:yes. a possbilitiy is the directory /usr/lib/cgi-bin doesn't exist |
| 07:58.10 | jetscreamer | Vasistha: i see you're being nice. however, i asked the question i wanted answered. now i see that whatever it is, is common to both mplayer and xine. so it's either codecs, or nvidia enabled the macrovision in the driver. |
| 07:58.24 | yonde | wols: dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1 |
| 07:58.26 | yonde | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 07:58.29 | yang | wols: keyboard layout cannot be german? |
| 07:58.35 | wols | jetscreamer: when avidemux is working it's probably video output |
| 07:58.44 | streuner | !info libc6 lenny |
| 07:58.48 | wols | yang: it certainly can |
| 07:58.59 | jetscreamer | wols: and that brings us to macrovision, imo :/ |
| 07:59.10 | yang | wols: but there are no options for that in console-data not for querty... |
| 07:59.15 | wols | jetscreamer: now why would mplayer give a fuck about macrovision? |
| 07:59.17 | yang | qwert maybe? |
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| 07:59.20 | yang | qwertz |
| 08:00.40 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6.ds1-13 (lenny), Packaged size: 4590 kB, Installed size: 11032 kB |
| 08:00.40 | wols | yang: afaik there is only a single german layout out there. at least I can buy only one kind of keyboards |
| 08:00.40 | yonde | streuner: Unpacking courier-webadmin (from .../courier-webadmin_0.53.3-5_i386.deb) ... |
| 08:00.40 | yonde | Setting up courier-webadmin (0.53.3-5) ... |
| 08:00.40 | yonde | cp: cannot create regular file `/usr/lib/cgi-bin/courierwebadmin': No such file or directory |
| 08:00.41 | yonde | dpkg: error processing courier-webadmin (--configure): |
| 08:00.41 | yonde | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:00.41 | yonde | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 08:00.41 | yonde | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:00.41 | wols | yonde: stop that! |
| 08:00.41 | yonde | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 08:00.42 | itchi | yonde: Heh, pastebin! |
| 08:00.42 | itchi | !pastebin |
| 08:00.42 | dpkg | well, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.ca/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 08:00.42 | yonde | wols: just following strener's instruction. |
| 08:00.42 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 08:00.42 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC or if those are not working, ask me about <pastebin> for other options |
| 08:00.43 | wols | yonde: you behave like an idiot |
| 08:00.46 | Vasistha | yonde: he meant for you to use a pastebin, not to paste in channel. |
| 08:00.49 | wols | !topicsmite yonde |
| 08:00.49 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon yonde. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 08:00.49 | jetscreamer | i don't htink streuner told you to paste crap in channel |
| 08:01.18 | yonde | Vasistha: read his message carefully, no mention of pastebin. |
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| 08:01.25 | streuner | jetscreamer: i meant 'dpkg', but it was prolly misleading.... |
| 08:01.25 | Vasistha | yonde: it's implied. |
| 08:01.32 | yonde | wols: as for you, u r a MFSOB. |
| 08:01.46 | wols | yonde: go away |
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| 08:01.57 | jetscreamer | multi faceted seeker of bob? |
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| 08:02.15 | wols | yonde: insulting people who help you is the best bay to get help, right? |
| 08:02.24 | Vasistha | yonde: ...that is to say, it's implied that you should read the /topic and not paste in-channel, no matter how you interpret someone's request. It's okay, you messed up, no big deal. Just use the pastebin next time. In fact, you should probably paste that same output to a pastebin, because noone wants to read the in-channel paste. |
| 08:02.26 | wols | *way |
| 08:02.28 | itchi | yonde: And in english? |
| 08:02.31 | yonde | Vasistha: nothing can be implicit in software. everything has to be explicitly stated in a program. |
| 08:02.43 | Vasistha | yonde: it's called the /topic and it's explicit. |
| 08:02.56 | jetscreamer | your brain isn't software it's mushware... :) |
| 08:02.58 | jetscreamer | j/k |
| 08:03.08 | wols | jetscreamer: no need to kid there... |
| 08:03.11 | Vasistha | jetscreamer: heh, well I wasn't gonna get into that aspect of it :D |
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| 08:03.44 | yonde | itchi: what do you want in english? |
| 08:04.00 | itchi | yonde: That weird thing you told, but forget it if it's insults |
| 08:04.15 | yonde | !tell MFSOB |
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| 08:04.31 | itchi | yonde: Take vacations! |
| 08:04.48 | itchi | I got the urban dict anyway, not fun at all! |
| 08:04.49 | wols | ah. a singaporean |
| 08:05.02 | wols | now why am I not surprised :) |
| 08:05.15 | Vasistha | god damn, what is up with that |
| 08:05.18 | jetscreamer | W: GPG error: http://debian-multimedia.org sid Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 07DC563D1F41B907 Christian Marillat <marillat@debian.org> |
| 08:05.19 | jetscreamer | zomg |
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| 08:05.37 | itchi | Anyway, see you later my lovely guys :-p |
| 08:05.46 | Azar | gah marillat again with stuff |
| 08:05.53 | Azar | good night itchi |
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| 08:06.18 | itchi | Azar: It's 10:04 am here now. :-) I need to do some things ;-) |
| 08:06.26 | Azar | jetscreamer: marillat sources did not work for me since woody times |
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| 08:06.50 | Azar | :) 1 am here, need to stay awake... at 5 I have to be at work |
| 08:06.50 | Vasistha | jetscreamer: you can install the debian-multimedia-keyring package (I think that's what it's called) |
| 08:06.56 | grundal | !tell itchi |
| 08:07.12 | Vasistha | Azar: dude, you should just sleep for a few hours! four hours is so much better than none! |
| 08:07.25 | Vasistha | or, three :P |
| 08:07.27 | Azar | Vasistha: if I go now to bed, I will never wake up in time |
| 08:07.39 | Vasistha | Azar: you don't have a super loud obnoxious alarm, huh? |
| 08:07.54 | roland | yupeee my domain works now |
| 08:07.55 | jetscreamer | Vasistha: Azar: the sources have always worked for me... and the keyring is installed and has been |
| 08:07.56 | Azar | Vasistha: I have a dual alarm, one rings at 3 am , one at 5 |
| 08:07.59 | roland | www.assa-electronic.ro check it out ppl |
| 08:08.07 | Vasistha | Azar: why at 3? |
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| 08:08.25 | Azar | jetscreamer: I have no idea why marillat stopped working for me, my aptitude refuses to see the source |
| 08:08.47 | jetscreamer | Azar: did you ever change from nerim.net ? |
| 08:08.49 | Azar | Vasistha: morning routine, coffee, shower, 3-4 games to wake up my brains.. |
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| 08:09.14 | Vasistha | Azar: my lord. I get out of bed, throw on clothes, try to eat a 5-minute breakfast, and am out the door :) |
| 08:09.16 | Azar | jetscreamer: hmmmmm I do not remember, I know I did used it .. |
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| 08:09.28 | Azar | Vasistha: then I will walk like a zombie |
| 08:09.42 | jetscreamer | Azar: a few months ago they changed the url from nerim to debian-multimedia, if that helps |
| 08:09.46 | jetscreamer | !marillat |
| 08:09.46 | dpkg | i heard debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
| 08:09.51 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 08:09.53 | jetscreamer | :/ |
| 08:09.54 | Vasistha | Azar: I'd even argue, though, that 2 hours' sleep is much better than none! |
| 08:09.57 | Azar | jetscreamer: thanks I will try it :) |
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| 08:10.29 | arencinosa | hi! any one with `tc` knowledge? |
| 08:10.29 | arencinosa | or maybe some channel for it? |
| 08:10.30 | jetscreamer | 1 hour is better than none.. i used to think none was better |
| 08:10.33 | Azar | Vasistha: you are right but I guess I did had eine grosse nap between 2pm and 7pm today... so I guess that'll do |
| 08:10.42 | jetscreamer | true combat? |
| 08:10.57 | wols | arencinosa: #iptables, or lartc.org |
| 08:11.06 | Vasistha | Azar: that's good! well, you know your own body :) |
| 08:11.28 | Azar | hehe my body turns to euro time it seems... |
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| 08:11.36 | arencinosa | vols: sorry, but iptables will not help me :( I need something like #tc or so |
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| 08:11.45 | wols | jetscreamer: trouble is when I only get 1 hour, when I go to sleep I literally can't wake up for hourse. no alarm clock in the universe will help |
| 08:11.53 | wols | so I'd overlseep for sure |
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| 08:12.11 | jetscreamer | i know the feeling.. i have the manual alarm though (wife) |
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| 08:12.21 | wols | arencinosa: tc is old and not used anymore iirc. use the iptables htb module |
| 08:12.25 | Azar | hehe nothing better than a wife as alarm |
| 08:12.29 | roland | ERROR: One or more of your nameservers reports that it is an open DNS server. This usually means that anyone in the world can query it for domains it is not authoritative for <---- how can i prevent this |
| 08:13.03 | bzed | roland: are you maintining the nameserver? |
| 08:13.07 | arencinosa | vols: what are you talking about?? iptables htb module?? what's that? |
| 08:13.26 | wols | bzed: he's been in here for several days now with this nameservrer problem |
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| 08:13.47 | piztek3 | sweet, it worked perfectly |
| 08:14.04 | wols | arencinosa: hierarchical token buket. the currently prefered way for trafficshaping |
| 08:14.04 | bzed | wols: oh *how.....* seems I should spend more time here than at work and on putting stuff into packages ;) |
| 08:14.06 | nvz | Azar: ugh.. |
| 08:14.06 | piztek3 | but i can't get my resolution up to 1600x1200 |
| 08:14.24 | nvz | I would be filing for divorce if I had a wife alarm |
| 08:14.25 | roland | bzed: yes i maintain it |
| 08:14.42 | Vasistha | nvz: doesn't it kinda depend on the method of wake-up? |
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| 08:14.57 | wols | nvz: getting to wrok so said wife can eat for antoher day is an emergency |
| 08:15.08 | nvz | Vasistha: heh |
| 08:15.14 | roland | its my first time in my life of dealing with dns |
| 08:15.18 | roland | so thats why im so noob |
| 08:15.20 | arencinosa | vols: I know about htb classfull tc qdisc |
| 08:15.34 | arencinosa | vols: but I don't know about iptables htb module |
| 08:15.39 | bzed | roland: then get 5 books about bind and DNS in general and learn how to configure it properly. before you haven't done this, putting it in the net is suicide. |
| 08:15.40 | nvz | wols: yeah well if I cant wake up without depending on her I need my ass kicked |
| 08:15.41 | roland | but i got it working |
| 08:15.54 | roland | and then i changed router and got it working again |
| 08:15.54 | nvz | wols: and if she's not gonna kick my ass, then she's not the one |
| 08:16.13 | pabs3 | how do I make a debian initrd to wait for my root device to show up? alternatively how do I make it continue after the device has showed up? (I'm booting off an external usb hd that doesn't show up too quickly) |
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| 08:16.20 | bzed | roland: no, you don;t need to. you just go to the next ISP and let them do it. if you have NO clue about nameservers, you DEFINITELY do NOT want to run one |
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| 08:16.28 | Maerz | I search a nice drawing program, vector based. any suggestions ? |
| 08:16.32 | jetscreamer | wtf.... dpkg - warning: while removing linux-image-2.6.21-1-k7, directory `/lib/modules/2.6.21-1-k7' not empty so not removed. |
| 08:16.45 | wols | !inkscape |
| 08:16.45 | dpkg | [inkscape] an Open Source vector graphics editor, with capabilities similar to Illustrator, Freehand, CorelDraw, or Xara X using the W3C standard Scalable Vector Graphics (SVG) file format -> http://www.inkscape.org/ |
| 08:16.55 | jetscreamer | i installed the kernel. it borked, i --purged it, and there's something in there that's not supposed to be? |
| 08:17.03 | Vasistha | jetscreamer: maybe you installed some modules? |
| 08:17.04 | wols | Maerz: xara is open source now too IIRC |
| 08:17.09 | bzed | roland: except it is not accessible from the outside of your network, then you can just live with your broken one |
| 08:17.12 | Vasistha | jetscreamer: like, e.g., some nvidia modules? |
| 08:17.16 | jetscreamer | no |
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| 08:17.29 | wols | bzed: it's a public DNS |
| 08:17.39 | wols | bzed: for his single domain |
| 08:17.40 | jetscreamer | i booted the kernel (stock) and it kernel paniced just like the custom compiles |
| 08:17.49 | artagnon | Does anyone know how to change $MODKEY in wmii 3.1? |
| 08:17.55 | jetscreamer | so not even a change to install modules |
| 08:17.59 | wols | jetscreamer: remember that bit about error messages? |
| 08:17.59 | jetscreamer | chance |
| 08:18.07 | wols | jetscreamer: and my custom kernels (rarely) panic |
| 08:18.23 | bzed | roland: get some ISP to host your domain. |
| 08:18.24 | jetscreamer | wols: mine don't panic at all unless the source if fuxored |
| 08:18.30 | jetscreamer | s/if/is/ |
| 08:18.33 | jetscreamer | and guess what |
| 08:18.34 | jetscreamer | it is |
| 08:18.35 | wols | jetscreamer: I don't believe you |
| 08:18.39 | jetscreamer | so is the stock |
| 08:18.49 | wols | once in a while a new kernel panics for some stupid oversight you made |
| 08:18.50 | jetscreamer | ok that's your perogative |
| 08:19.05 | bzed | roland: I hope you need at leasst two NS in two different networks to be allowed to provide any NS services? |
| 08:19.14 | jetscreamer | wols: and the stock kernel panicking in exactly the same fashion, explain that |
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| 08:19.34 | wols | jetscreamer: read that bit about "arrors" earilier? |
| 08:19.36 | daniele_982 | hello* |
| 08:19.38 | arencinosa | vols: could you tell me something about iptables htb module? |
| 08:19.58 | jetscreamer | wols: scroll up about 6 hours and you will find the kernel panic errors |
| 08:20.02 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 08:20.09 | arencinosa | wols: could you tell me something about iptables htb module? |
| 08:20.21 | wols | jetscreamer: now tell me a irc client that has a 6h buffer of debian... |
| 08:20.43 | petemc | irssi |
| 08:20.44 | wols | arencinosa: http://www.google.com/search?q=lartc.org+htb&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a |
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| 08:20.47 | jetscreamer | wols: i usually have a 3000 line buffer |
| 08:21.11 | jetscreamer | not sure what that comes out to in time... i had to manually set that though |
| 08:21.15 | daniele_982 | big problem i've debian sid and i search to install fglrx but the packages in the repo is break.I've download it by the official site and...some result.Any idea??? |
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| 08:21.37 | wols | !tell daniele_982 about errors |
| 08:22.24 | jetscreamer | how does one reinstal an m-a a-i nvidia |
| 08:22.30 | arencinosa | wols: hmm, ...maybe we are talking about the same |
| 08:22.32 | jetscreamer | just do it again? |
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| 08:22.48 | wols | do it again? the m-a stuff. besides: arenb#t you the one who only uses nvidia.com? :) |
| 08:23.05 | daniele_982 | wols: no no in adept when i search to install it it reply me that the package is BREAK |
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| 08:23.10 | arencinosa | wols: htb is a classfull queueing discipline for tc |
| 08:23.12 | jetscreamer | wols: i finally went over to the dark side... now you see what i have to put up with.. |
| 08:23.14 | ootput | one doesn't |
| 08:23.19 | ootput | ;) |
| 08:23.26 | wols | daniele_982: what debian versions? unstable or testing? |
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| 08:23.42 | daniele_982 | wols: sid |
| 08:23.57 | arencinosa | wols: nothing to do with iptables itself, right? |
| 08:23.59 | wols | daniele_982: you still haven't answered my question |
| 08:24.08 | daniele_982 | wols: unstable |
| 08:24.16 | Vasistha | well, unstable breaks sometimes. |
| 08:24.20 | Vasistha | that's just the nature of it. |
| 08:24.32 | formorer | thats why we call it unstable :) |
| 08:24.50 | daniele_982 | so i can't install the driver closed of ati? |
| 08:24.52 | jetscreamer | wols: btw the sis900 module seems to cause kernel panics in 2.6.21, stock or custom... also, i have hdc1 and hdc2, all jfs... 2.6.21 detects hdc1 but hdc2... 'splain that one |
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| 08:25.19 | jetscreamer | now that i dont get |
| 08:25.33 | Vasistha | daniele_982: you can do whatever you want. you're using unstable, so assumably you know what you're doing. you might want to /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 08:25.41 | jetscreamer | (both errors are with a stock or custom) |
| 08:25.52 | wols | jetscreamer: you make me vers sad. if sis900 has such problems, then ma3x will be here any minute... :( |
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| 08:26.33 | jetscreamer | wols: which i find weird, since i don't think the si900 changed any., so why change/modify/enhance the driver |
| 08:26.46 | wols | daniele_982: my question is what exact error you get. you haven't answered still |
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| 08:26.46 | Vasistha | jetscreamer: to support it better |
| 08:26.46 | formorer | daniele_982: its atis fault. there driver is broken with latest xorg. |
| 08:26.55 | formorer | und not unstables fault |
| 08:26.59 | jetscreamer | wols: i don't know for sure that it's the 900, but it always says sis900 at the traceback |
| 08:27.09 | wols | jetscreamer: same here. sis900 is basically ages old and not developed futrhter anymore |
| 08:27.15 | jetscreamer | right |
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| 08:27.32 | wols | the sis900 has a few problems for people with corrupted packets in earlier kernels |
| 08:27.37 | wols | there is a BTS entry for it |
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| 08:27.44 | jetscreamer | daniele_982: nvidia has a problem with paravirtualization being enabled in kernels.. maybe ati doesn't like it either.. no idea |
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| 08:28.12 | jetscreamer | wols: note that 2.6.20 works just fine here |
| 08:28.19 | jetscreamer | and .18... et al |
| 08:28.19 | LordDeLaCepa | Hi, someone use giFT? |
| 08:28.27 | jetscreamer | not on purpose |
| 08:28.28 | wols | !tell LordDeLaCepa about naoyne |
| 08:28.37 | wols | !tell LordDeLaCepa about anyone |
| 08:28.46 | PumpkinPie | etch is not stable |
| 08:29.00 | wols | PumpkinPie: so debian.org is lying? |
| 08:29.07 | jetscreamer | it's the stable version, if that's what you mean |
| 08:29.27 | jetscreamer | if you're saying it's not stable on your box, well say so |
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| 08:29.30 | PumpkinPie | etch is sk-etch-y |
| 08:29.31 | PumpkinPie | hah |
| 08:29.38 | PumpkinPie | etch is sketchy |
| 08:29.47 | Tigger | hi |
| 08:29.47 | wols | PumpkinPie: we got it by now. thanks |
| 08:31.00 | ootput | one more time please |
| 08:31.31 | wols | jetscreamer: whatever you do, just don't rename it to "skynet" |
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| 08:31.45 | dexomsrc | python-twisted-xyz all depend on python-twisted-core >= 2.5, but only 2.4 is in Debian |
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| 08:32.12 | dexomsrc | This unfortunately prevents Ardour 2 from being installed =[ |
| 08:32.19 | LordDeLaCepa | I need a nodes, gwebcaches and hostiles for giFT, for any red. someone could help me? Please... |
| 08:32.21 | wols | dexomsrc: sid? |
| 08:32.26 | ootput | rise of the machines was a horrid movie |
| 08:32.31 | jetscreamer | wols: it's m-a a-i nvidia -f it seems btw |
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| 08:32.51 | wols | LordDeLaCepa: we don't to copyright infringement here so ee can't help you. besides your question is OT |
| 08:32.51 | Tigger | is there a text based irc chat programme i can use on etch so i can chat on here while i ask ppl how i can setup my xorg ? |
| 08:32.59 | ootput | Tigger: irssi my good man |
| 08:33.03 | wols | Tigger: irssi |
| 08:33.07 | dexomsrc | wols: mmaayyybbee |
| 08:33.09 | Tigger | cool |
| 08:33.12 | LordDeLaCepa | what is OT? |
| 08:33.14 | Tigger | thanks |
| 08:33.14 | ootput | that it is |
| 08:33.20 | ootput | LordDeLaCepa: off topic |
| 08:33.22 | Tigger | bbs |
| 08:33.23 | wols | dexomsrc: then you should know the answer... |
| 08:33.23 | ootput | LordDeLaCepa: over time |
| 08:33.25 | wols | !ot |
| 08:33.25 | dpkg | #debian-offtopic is not a place where nolife from #debian can come at will and feel at home. find another place ffs |
| 08:33.39 | vin` | LordDeLaCepa: try #gift |
| 08:33.58 | LordDeLaCepa | you are lovely! |
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| 08:34.19 | Vasistha | LordDeLaCepa: probably not the most appropriate adjective, but it gets the point across, I suppose |
| 08:34.20 | LordDeLaCepa | bye, or haw we say gringos saludos |
| 08:34.21 | wols | LordDeLaCepa: we know. but we don't give backrubs, no matter how often you ask |
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| 08:35.55 | wols | !factinfo ot |
| 08:35.55 | dpkg | ot -- last modified at Fri Apr 27 14:57:43 2007 by jethro!n=jethro@88.191.19.2; it has been requested 13 times, last by wols, 2m 31s ago. |
| 08:36.02 | cast | hey guys, i just created a partition sda3, now how can i get it seen in /dev? |
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| 08:36.20 | Vasistha | cast: reboot |
| 08:36.25 | wols | cast: you rebooted? |
| 08:36.27 | cast | Vasistha: really? :\ |
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| 08:36.32 | wols | cast: you could try and restart udev |
| 08:36.42 | ootput | it'll usually mention a reboot after you change the partition table |
| 08:36.47 | NiklasH_work | hi, i had to reinstall my box and now my system doesn't recognize my via raid 1 array. Invalid checksum for /dev/sdb. So I thought I might as well change to software raid, to avoid this in the future. Can anyone help me on the best way to do this? I was thinking that I remove the mirror that isn't recognized from the array (preferably through software, since my box is a bit hard to reach), then make a degraded raid 1 array on it and copy the conten |
| 08:36.49 | Vasistha | cast: that's one of the two or three things rebooting is good for. that and installing a new kernel, and I'm not sure what else |
| 08:37.19 | NiklasH_work | could anyone tell me the best way to do this? |
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| 08:37.58 | wols | cast: does the new partition show in /proc/partitions? |
| 08:38.02 | cast | ahh no. i'm not *really* going to have to reboot just for creating a partition :\ |
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| 08:38.11 | cast | wols: no. |
| 08:38.14 | NiklasH_work | Vasistha: Blocked I/O is another... :) |
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| 08:38.38 | wols | cast: I don't think udev will pick it up then |
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| 08:39.15 | wols | cast: I think you still can create /dev entry manually but I dunno how under udev |
| 08:40.15 | cast | i was thinking since the installer doesn't make you reboot after partitioning one would think it possible |
| 08:40.48 | aredhel | cast, I think there is a syscall that makes the kernel reload the partition table. |
| 08:42.00 | Vasistha | cast: I've been poking around ... check out ''man sfdisk'' and perhaps ''sfdisk -R'' |
| 08:42.59 | Vasistha | cast: ooh, and partprobe |
| 08:43.21 | NiklasH_work | cast: stupid question, but have to ask: does it show up when you run fdisk -l /dev/sda? |
| 08:44.06 | cast | NiklasH_work: all 3 partitions, only 2 show up in /dev |
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| 08:45.54 | NiklasH_work | cast: have you tried udevcontrol reload_rules |
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| 08:46.31 | cast | NiklasH_work: well i did restart udev, but yeah that no worky |
| 08:46.50 | cast | i think sfdisk could work but / is currently mounted on that drive and sfdisk wants the drive to be unusued |
| 08:47.12 | NiklasH_work | cast: have you tried Vasisthas 'partprobe' suggestion? |
| 08:47.18 | NiklasH_work | seems to be the one |
| 08:47.48 | cast | not yet :) installing parted |
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| 08:48.14 | cast | awesome |
| 08:48.17 | cast | partprobe did it! |
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| 08:48.32 | cast | thanks guys. |
| 08:48.37 | Vasistha | cast: heh, thank these guys: http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2006-November/072721.html :) |
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| 08:52.38 | Vasistha | NiklasH_work: heh, well, considering we can now change our partition tables without rebooting, and I've heard they're making kernels that can hand their processes over to a new kernel so we don't even need to reboot to start running a new kernel... soon there will be *no* good reason to reboot linux :D |
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| 08:57.58 | saintiss | hi all |
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| 08:58.03 | saintiss | I'm trying to use openntpd |
| 08:58.14 | saintiss | it's running all right, but it doesn't seem to change my clock anyhow |
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| 08:59.22 | Vasistha | saintiss: maybe try the package ''ntpdate'' instead |
| 08:59.31 | piztek3 | i can't set the display to max resolution |
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| 09:00.04 | Vasistha | piztek3: you posted your xorg.conf way up there somewhere, right? |
| 09:00.25 | jetscreamer | seems you have to reinstall the nvidia driver anyway no matter if .deb or .run |
| 09:00.31 | jetscreamer | so why bother |
| 09:00.38 | piztek3 | no i fixed it |
| 09:00.45 | piztek3 | i fixed xorg, gnome, and the mouse |
| 09:00.51 | piztek3 | the mouse is wayyy smooth now |
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| 09:00.56 | piztek3 | i found a post on it |
| 09:01.01 | mass0ud | Hello |
| 09:01.04 | Vasistha | piztek3: ahh, what was that post? |
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| 09:01.13 | mass0ud | May I know why is /root directory unprotected by default after a fresh Etch installation? |
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| 09:01.25 | jetscreamer | unprotected? |
| 09:01.26 | cast | mass0ud: its not unprotected |
| 09:01.28 | jetscreamer | define |
| 09:01.42 | Vasistha | mass0ud: meaning, 755 as opposed to 700? |
| 09:01.46 | piztek3 | in gconf-editor under desktop,gnome,peripherals,mouse option motion_threshold 0 |
| 09:01.54 | mass0ud | users can look into its contents |
| 09:02.01 | jetscreamer | wols: ^^ |
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| 09:02.10 | mass0ud | i'm not familiarized with the octal notation, Vasistha |
| 09:02.21 | Vasistha | mass0ud: rwxr-xr-x |
| 09:02.22 | saintiss | Vasistha, yeah, I guess I could change the time with ntpdate, but ntpd seems a neat way to keep it ok |
| 09:02.25 | cast | mass0ud: ahh. thats a preference thing. its not good or bad, just preference imho |
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| 09:02.31 | jetscreamer | mass0ud: you can extrapolate |
| 09:02.32 | piztek3 | so happy right now |
| 09:02.48 | piztek3 | now to fix this display |
| 09:03.04 | jetscreamer | !tell piztek3 -about hwinfo |
| 09:03.10 | Vasistha | saintiss: well, 'ntpdate' is the *simple* package that's designed *just* to keep your clock synched -- it's not a *server* like some of the other packages. You probably don't need a server, to be serving other people the time |
| 09:03.31 | Vasistha | saintiss: and the p.d.o description for openntpd says it doesn't change your clock |
| 09:03.33 | cast | my root has rather unexciting things like a few debs sitting in it, since one doesn't actually use root for much i think for most people /root contains nothing that should be kept private |
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| 09:04.14 | enouf | cast: next time try udevtrigger |
| 09:04.20 | saintiss | Vasistha, p.d.o? |
| 09:04.30 | Vasistha | my /root has a bin with some little scripts and a few softlinks to directories I use frequently |
| 09:04.32 | jetscreamer | !pdo |
| 09:04.32 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 09:04.38 | Vasistha | saintiss: ^^^ |
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| 09:05.23 | jetscreamer | silly me, believing that you do not have to reinstall nvidia... however, 'some' of it worked |
| 09:05.51 | saintiss | Vasistha, ic... thanks |
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| 09:07.46 | fourfivesix | /leave |
| 09:07.52 | hark | mass0ud: that $HOME world-readable thing can be changed easily, if you want to .. system-wide |
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| 09:07.58 | jetscreamer | try /part |
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| 09:08.04 | jetscreamer | fourfivesix: ^^ |
| 09:08.16 | xand | you can never leave! |
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| 09:09.38 | Vasistha | fourfivesix: gaim is a pretty lousy irc client. It's good for IM, but really not for irc. I don't know if a client exists that is good for both im and irc ... but really, try a different irc client. |
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| 09:10.35 | fourfivesix | Vasistha: I know ... actually I found GAIM is not very good at all but maybe I'm wrong (just tried IRC and GTalk) |
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| 09:10.44 | scx | heh :) I want Linux on mine too: http://www.netbsd.org/Changes/2005.html#toaster |
| 09:11.01 | cast | gaim is seriously lacking at a jabber [thus gtalk] client |
| 09:11.06 | cast | as* |
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| 09:11.26 | shogunx | xand that should be preceded by you can "cvs co anytime you like, " |
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| 09:12.31 | LucaFornasari | hallo |
| 09:12.37 | Vasistha | scx: god damn it, why don't they have a photo? :) |
| 09:13.13 | scx | Vasistha: there is, wait... |
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| 09:13.30 | scx | http://www.netbsd.org/ |
| 09:13.34 | scx | in the main page |
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| 09:14.20 | hark | http://images.google.com/images?q=netbsd+toaster |
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| 09:15.01 | cydork | wtf? |
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| 09:16.59 | hobot | hi! how can i downgrade libc6? should i remove it and reinstall or how? |
| 09:17.05 | cydork | !libc6 |
| 09:17.05 | dpkg | well, libc6 is the GNU C library version 2, which Debian uses since 2.0. Do not try to downgrade it. It is a essential component of your Debian system, and we are not responsible if it breaks. |
| 09:18.29 | hobot | hmmm :( it seems to be that vmware6 doesn't go with libc6-2.5-8... what should i do? |
| 09:18.36 | LucaFornasari | !libc5 |
| 09:18.36 | dpkg | [libc5] an old Linux-only library not related to GNU libc (glibc) |
| 09:18.37 | cydork | ooh that TS-7200 board is quite nice :P |
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| 09:20.01 | cydork | but that can run debian as well.. i mean it's arm. |
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| 09:22.36 | teclo- | Hello, how can I change the video mode of the console *without* rebooting ? |
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| 09:23.53 | bir | hey I am trying to create a debian file of the httpd-2.2.4 using debain's maintainer guide, I build the debain file, but all the conf file(like httpd.httpd) are being installed in "/usr/httpd/conf" |
| 09:24.01 | aredhel | teclo-, if you are using a frame buffer, then fbset, other wise you are out of luck. |
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| 09:24.13 | bir | which i don't want rather I need that in "/etc/httpd/conf/" |
| 09:24.19 | bir | how to do this modification |
| 09:24.35 | teclo- | aredhel: thank you. how can I see if I'm using a framebuffer ? |
| 09:25.21 | teclo- | This is a server with a 9 inch screen, and I really can't reboot it a dozen times until I find the right video mode, if I do that I'll get my ass kicked heh.... |
| 09:25.44 | xand | if it's a server, why does it matter what res the screen is? :P |
| 09:25.53 | xand | (why does it even *have* a screen ;)) |
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| 09:26.36 | tralala | teclo-, paste the output of lsmod to http://rafb.net/paste |
| 09:27.15 | aredhel | teclo-, you can see if you have /dev/fb0 |
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| 09:27.23 | g00se | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:30.35 | troytroy | hi could folks |
| 09:30.45 | bir | how to create a debian dile |
| 09:30.48 | bir | file* |
| 09:31.11 | hermuli | anyone has any idea why i get "404 not found" for every directory with this: lftp -c "open http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/images/daily/; mirror netboot/" |
| 09:31.50 | xand | bir: what's a "debian file"? |
| 09:31.54 | troytroy | could someone take a look at this "http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22277/" and see everything in ok. i place it in the /etc/init.d/ with symlink to /etc/rcS.d/ |
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| 09:32.20 | jetscreamer | ; |
| 09:32.21 | troytroy | probelm is i can connect to internal interface |
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| 09:32.32 | troytroy | probelm is i cannot connect to internal interface |
| 09:32.38 | jetscreamer | /; |
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| 09:33.11 | amphi | bir: you want http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ perhaps? |
| 09:34.10 | bir | hey I am following this file |
| 09:34.36 | bir | but not able to get the appropriate(customized) .deb file |
| 09:34.42 | bir | amphi: ^^ |
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| 09:38.58 | hermuli | never mind... i had a wrong source location... |
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| 09:40.28 | cydork | !wayttd bir |
| 09:40.28 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, bir? |
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| 09:41.13 | Vasistha | cydork: he mentioned it earlier -- he's trying to make a package, and is having trouble getting configs out of /usr and into /etc |
| 09:41.14 | karsten | bir: Stalking is a crime in some areas. Does the file mind you following it? |
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| 09:42.32 | dondelelcaro | bir: the configuration location should be a ./configure option or a #define that can be changed |
| 09:43.00 | cast | KCrash: Application 'filelight' crashing... hey at least it told me! |
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| 09:44.34 | pngwn | now that oftc and freenode are such good buds, does anyone know what's up with the ipv6 server on oftc? It's been down about a day now. |
| 09:45.54 | Ronin | pngwn: ask on oftc? |
| 09:45.57 | troytroy | could someone take a look at this "http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22277/" and see everything in ok. i place it in the /etc/init.d/ with symlink to /etc/rcS.d/ |
| 09:45.59 | troytroy | probelm is i cannot connect to internal interface |
| 09:46.20 | pngwn | Ronin, haven't yet |
| 09:46.20 | troytroy | first it was possible now login page does not display |
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| 09:47.39 | Ronin | pngwn: they would know best :) |
| 09:47.42 | wols | troytroy: this paste is useless to debug your program |
| 09:47.51 | wols | *s/program/problem |
| 09:47.53 | zipper | why is 192.168.x.x prefered? |
| 09:48.01 | zipper | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:48.06 | wols | zipper: read RFC 1918 |
| 09:48.15 | wols | and preferred for what? |
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| 09:50.21 | wols | troytroy: the whole iptables settings are needed |
| 09:50.37 | qudama | anyone know, psk 31 software which is run on debian? |
| 09:50.50 | wols | !tell qudama about anyone |
| 09:51.02 | litage | is it "bad" if you find that a process' state is "Uninterruptible sleep"? |
| 09:51.20 | dondelelcaro | litage: well, it usually means that there's a kernel bug |
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| 09:51.52 | litage | dondelelcaro: what if the process changed state from "Ds" to "Ss"? |
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| 09:52.05 | dondelelcaro | litage: that just means that it was waiting for IO |
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| 09:52.15 | dondelelcaro | litage: temporarily being in D is no big deal |
| 09:52.19 | g00se | Got into a pickle with mysql-server-5.0 so remove it. Now apt tells me 'PROBLEM: MySQL-5.x is currently incompatible with kernel 2.4. Aborting.' What to do? |
| 09:52.39 | litage | dondelelcaro: but being in D for an extended period of time, say >30 seconds, should be investigated and rectified? |
| 09:52.44 | wols | g00se: why not upgrade to a 2.6 kernel? |
| 09:52.54 | dondelelcaro | litage: depends; if it comes out of D ever, it's fine |
| 09:53.10 | dondelelcaro | litage: if it doesn't, then it's either a hardware problem or a kernel bug. |
| 09:53.10 | wols | and when you run a 2.4 one, can could you install it in the first place? |
| 09:53.12 | g00se | wols: maybe but a bit messy at moment |
| 09:53.18 | dondelelcaro | (and possibly both) |
| 09:53.20 | litage | dondelelcaro: the process in question is ntpd |
| 09:53.23 | bir | dondelelcaro: i did ./configure of httpd-2.2.4 |
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| 09:53.43 | litage | dondelelcaro: since it's come out of D, should i ignore this? |
| 09:53.53 | wols | g00se: well, something is very wrong. there is no debian that has a 2.4 kernel and comes with mysql 5.0 I think |
| 09:53.55 | g00se | wols: yes it did install. Could've been from backports though - can't remember |
| 09:53.57 | bir | dondelelcaro: then it may created the Makefile, |
| 09:54.04 | wols | g00se: most probably is |
| 09:54.09 | wols | g00se: full output please |
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| 09:54.19 | g00se | In paste? |
| 09:54.25 | troytroy | wols what do you suggest about my problem |
| 09:54.29 | bir | now i want to create a .deb file, based upon the Makefile |
| 09:54.58 | wols | troytroy: I suggest you learn more about iptables to understand what it does in those scripts you just use and find what the problem is |
| 09:55.00 | bir | as I gave "--prefix=/etc/httpd", so I want my configuration file there..., |
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| 09:55.20 | Jeffjohnson | howdy |
| 09:55.36 | wols | bir: isn't putting --prefix more than just the config files under that dir? |
| 09:55.44 | litage | bir: i believe --prefix is for specifying the base directory into which the binaries will be installed |
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| 09:55.59 | wols | troytroy: the one you pasted is onl y part of the problem |
| 09:56.04 | g00se | wols:http://paste.debian.net/28726 |
| 09:56.14 | leOn | howdy |
| 09:56.18 | Bushmill2 | g'day |
| 09:56.25 | scx | gay day ? |
| 09:56.28 | litage | dondelelcaro: thanks for your help. time to leave work! |
| 09:56.28 | scx | so soon |
| 09:56.39 | dondelelcaro | litage: yeah, just ignore it |
| 09:56.45 | Jeffjohnson | which is the right file for iceweasel lockPref settings? I thought /etc/iceweasel/pref/iceweasel.js should be the right one, but lockPref settings are ignored in this file. lockPref in /usr/lib/iceweasel/iceweasel.cfg works, but this file will be overwritten when updating... |
| 09:56.46 | scx | eh... yah.. |
| 09:56.49 | bir | litage: sorry, i missed !! --sysconfdir=/etc/httpd and --prefix=/usr/local/httpd, sorry for creating confusion |
| 09:56.51 | wols | g00se: install an etch kernel as you should |
| 09:56.51 | dondelelcaro | bir: read the nm guide; it xplains how to do this |
| 09:56.58 | troytroy | wols please be more specific " troytroy: the one you pasted is onl y part of the problem" |
| 09:57.03 | wols | !tell g00se about sarge->etch |
| 09:57.09 | wols | g00se: upgrade to etch properly |
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| 09:57.16 | bir | dondelelcaro: I am following nm guide, but uable to figure it out |
| 09:57.20 | itchi | Wazaaa, i got my first (free) Linux magazine (did a donation when i was on FOSDEM, so donate he, you get price too!). Cool and these talk about Debian 4.0 in the magazine :-) :-) |
| 09:57.21 | g00se | wols: maybe i'll just install etch |
| 09:57.22 | dondelelcaro | bir: second, which httpd are you trying to configure? and why are you not using one of the standard ones, like apache, lighthttpd et al? |
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| 09:57.34 | litage | bir: i think --prefix should simply be /usr or /usr/local/ |
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| 09:58.07 | bir | I need to customize that, and I want the httpd.conf file in "/etc/httpd/" instead of "/etc/apache2" |
| 09:58.14 | leOn | this is a bit off-topic, besides it's going to be applied on a debian system, but is there any way to do processor schedulling on a per user basis?... i want to make sure that every user has the same amount of processor, rather than relying on the number of processes each user has |
| 09:58.31 | bir | dondelelcaro: I am using httpd-2.2.4 |
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| 09:59.14 | bir | litage: ok I can do --prefix=/usr/local, but how to create(direct) a .deb file, where do i need to do modification? |
| 09:59.15 | dondelelcaro | bir: you mean you're using apache2? |
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| 09:59.24 | bir | dondelelcaro: yes~~ |
| 09:59.29 | bir | dondelelcaro: yes!! |
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| 09:59.49 | dondelelcaro | bir: then just symlink /etc/apache2 to /etc/httpd or in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf Include /etc/httpd/httpd.conf or whatever you want to do |
| 09:59.56 | dondelelcaro | bir: no point in recompiling the extant packages. |
| 10:00.04 | g00se | wols: Thanks |
| 10:00.07 | troytroy | how do i know if know the last firewall rule executed before system startup |
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| 10:00.30 | wols | troytroy: english please |
| 10:00.31 | dondelelcaro | troytroy: there's no way it could have executed before the system started |
| 10:00.46 | bir | actually, the whole concept of apache2 is like mod-available and mod-enable and also for the sites, and it's confusing my existing application |
| 10:00.47 | wols | dondelelcaro: BIOS! |
| 10:00.48 | wols | :) |
| 10:00.49 | Bushmills | troytroy: what aspect of starting system is "system startup"? |
| 10:00.57 | bir | dondelelcaro: ^^ |
| 10:01.02 | dondelelcaro | wols: hell, the system has started even then. |
| 10:01.11 | bir | dondelelcaro: so I need to recompile anyway, |
| 10:01.23 | dondelelcaro | bir: those are just scripts that make symlinks in directories that are IncludeDir'ed by apache2's configuration. |
| 10:01.31 | dondelelcaro | bir: you don't need to recompile to change how that is done. |
| 10:01.50 | wols | dondelelcaro: firewall into thepower button? the poewr cable? yes that's it: the power cable is the ultimate firewall. unplug it and your system is very vrey secure! |
| 10:01.51 | litage | bir: google for "build debian source package" |
| 10:02.06 | dondelelcaro | bir: in fact, the fact that you're even thinking about recompiling to change something that has nothing to do with how apache is configured suggest that you should really examine how the configuration works in the Debian package, and understand why it's a good idea. |
| 10:02.10 | bir | litage: i did and got the new maintainer giude |
| 10:02.12 | litage | wols: it also won't overheat :) |
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| 10:02.44 | litage | bir: the new maintainer guide is fairly long if i remember correctly. start off with a simple tutorial that will teach you how to build a debian source pakage |
| 10:02.47 | litage | s/pakage/package/ |
| 10:02.49 | wols | troytroy: as a starting point: iptables -L and iptables -t nat -L is where you need to start |
| 10:03.11 | bir | dondelelcaro: I really appreciate the architecture idea but, it's creating a confusion to others applications |
| 10:04.11 | dondelelcaro | bir: like what?= |
| 10:04.11 | bir | litage: do you have some good link?, i tried but could not got better.. |
| 10:04.11 | dondelelcaro | bir: other applications shouldn't be mucking about with the apache configuration |
| 10:04.11 | wols | bir: since it's all scripts only you can easily change it |
| 10:04.11 | litage | bir: try harder. it's a common topic and there are lots of tutorials |
| 10:04.11 | bir | dondelelcaro: some internal web application.. |
| 10:04.12 | troytroy | wols that was the first thing i did |
| 10:04.13 | muh2000_ | how to allow xdmcp by hosts.allow ? |
| 10:04.30 | dondelelcaro | bir: so move the configuration for your internal web application to the appropriate site in /etc/apache2/sites-available and a2ensite foosite; |
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| 10:04.40 | muh2000_ | or gdm |
| 10:05.33 | bir | I kept all these options in the backup, but first i would like to give a try of creating debian file, based upon my requirement. |
| 10:05.49 | bir | dondelelcaro: ^^ |
| 10:06.30 | dondelelcaro | bir: creating a package for something as complicated as apache is not the thing to start with; it's also well beyond the scope of this channel to help you do such a thing, as it'd basically be like teaching statistical physics to someone who has yet to pass algebra. |
| 10:06.31 | wols | troytroy: and why didn't you pate that instead of that useless chilliscript? |
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| 10:07.00 | dondelelcaro | bir: if you want to learn how to package things, start with a simple package, or use an existing package as a framework to learn how things are put together. |
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| 10:07.46 | dondelelcaro | simple packages are things that produce a single binary, not things like apache2 which produce 11 binary packages |
| 10:08.07 | dondelelcaro | (and have complex interdependencices with modules and other interesting problmes) |
| 10:08.27 | litage | bir: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/336 and http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html |
| 10:08.28 | troytroy | hmm |
| 10:08.29 | litage | g'nite |
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| 10:09.28 | troytroy | wols "http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22279/" |
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| 10:13.30 | teclo- | ok, back.. is there someway to completely disable the framebuffer in grub ? "nofb" perhaps on the kernel line ? |
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| 10:14.29 | troytroy | wols kindly check and see if something is wrong "http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22279/" |
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| 10:15.24 | leOn | hello .. a bit off-topic question, is there a way to do processor schedulling on a per user basis, instead of just giving time slots on a process basis ? |
| 10:15.38 | wols | troytroy: one look at your INPUT chain and everyone should be clear: hint: DROP |
| 10:16.05 | wols | leOn: CK or MM patches might do something there |
| 10:16.32 | troytroy | wols please this is not time for punishment. |
| 10:16.47 | wols | it is not punishment. I want you force to actually learn something |
| 10:17.07 | wols | troytroy: from what you said you basically want to become a WISP |
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| 10:17.27 | wols | a WISP without any actual knowledge is a dangerous thing both for his customers, the internet and ultimately himself |
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| 10:18.03 | troytroy | wols yes :) but test through fire will be too much for me now |
| 10:18.13 | anapivirtua | Hello World. |
| 10:18.19 | leOn | wols: i'm sorry ... CK, MM? ... please translate =) |
| 10:18.21 | wols | then you are not ready for business. for business, there is no #debian |
| 10:18.25 | troytroy | wols the funny thing is everything was working fine yesterday till today |
| 10:18.41 | wols | leOn: kernel patches. CK Con Kolivas, MM, andrew morton |
| 10:18.44 | wols | their kernel trees |
| 10:19.07 | wols | troytroy: on what port is your chillisoft stuff that is not reachable anymore? |
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| 10:19.32 | leOn | wols: ok ... should i be looking for some patch in particular .. ? |
| 10:19.44 | wols | leOn: especiak CK, his patches all deal with issues like yours |
| 10:19.50 | wols | *especially |
| 10:19.55 | leOn | thanks |
| 10:20.23 | scx | off-topic: Does someonoe knows a cell with really good reception? I scarcelly have reception at home :( |
| 10:20.24 | wols | leOn: http://vds.kolivas.org/mailman/listinfo/ck ask there |
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| 10:20.26 | troytroy | wols 3990 |
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| 10:20.27 | scx | I was thnking in globalstarr until I saw the price! |
| 10:20.31 | wols | troytroy: that makes sense. www and https will of course still work |
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| 10:20.40 | leOn | wonder if they'll apply on amd64 based smp machines ... |
| 10:20.42 | leOn | =) |
| 10:20.53 | wols | leOn: they do |
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| 10:21.00 | wols | (afaik) |
| 10:21.12 | troytroy | wols ? |
| 10:22.01 | leOn | first i began to think about limiting the number of processes per user, but that would only bring more discontempt from the users |
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| 10:22.13 | troytroy | wols but i have "ACCEPT tcp -- anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:3990 flags:FIN,SYN,RST,ACK/SYN |
| 10:22.28 | wols | troytroy: it never ever gets to that line. |
| 10:22.54 | troytroy | wols now i am learning :) |
| 10:23.06 | troytroy | wols why any hinderance? |
| 10:23.12 | wols | I already told you what to look for |
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| 10:24.03 | wols | what created your problem is running script a then script b when you should have integrated b into a |
| 10:24.15 | wols | a being your normal firewall, b being your chillisoft thingie |
| 10:24.35 | troytroy | wols from what you are saying any "ACCEPT" statement after "DROP" wont work? |
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| 10:25.01 | wols | no I'm not |
| 10:25.21 | troytroy | wols then |
| 10:25.35 | wols | you're on the right track but not fully right. go through the INPUT chain and try to understand what each line does. one after the other |
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| 10:26.50 | leOn | hmm ... anyone knows if make-kpkg can take advantage of the parallel build process supported by the kernel build routines ? |
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| 10:27.00 | HSorgYves | morning |
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| 10:27.50 | troytroy | wols ok i will look through the linuxcbt security edition later |
| 10:27.57 | leOn | ah ... CONCURRENCY_LEVEL .. nothing like reading the man page |
| 10:27.58 | leOn | =) |
| 10:28.10 | vin` | leOn: set CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=x, |
| 10:28.15 | wols | leOn: man make-kpkg will tel you |
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| 10:28.23 | wols | leOn: oops. was too late |
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| 10:29.55 | kombi | is there a text-to-speech engine for linux? |
| 10:30.06 | leOn | man .. i'm hating my irc connections this morning ... i'm betting there was some enlightened network admin messing with the trafic shaper yesterday |
| 10:30.13 | versuchsanstalt | kombi: yes. |
| 10:30.44 | wols | !tts |
| 10:30.44 | dpkg | it has been said that tts is time to sleep |
| 10:30.52 | kombi | versuchsanstalt: can you recommend one? |
| 10:30.54 | wols | kombi: festival for example |
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| 10:31.15 | kombi | right!..I've heard of that one.. |
| 10:31.17 | versuchsanstalt | like wols said, festival |
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| 10:31.29 | wols | leOn: well you want to shape user's cpu usage, the network admin shapes your connection. karma at work :P |
| 10:31.30 | kombi | I thought that was dependent on asterisk though |
| 10:32.03 | happydog | anybody knows anonftpsync ? I have a question |
| 10:32.12 | wols | !tell happydog about anyone |
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| 10:33.11 | leOn | wols: yeah ... but i'm aiming at an equal resource division ... this is tirany! =P |
| 10:33.23 | happydog | "rsync error: received SIGINT, SIGTERM, or SIGHUP (code 20) at rsync.c(271) [receiver=2.6.9]" what's wrong with it ? |
| 10:33.29 | wols | it's always tyranny if someone else does it. always |
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| 10:33.48 | onur | Hi. Can i use mod_perl with apache, not apache-perl? |
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| 10:34.40 | itchi | !beer wols |
| 10:34.57 | wols | happydog: full error. and preferable in a pastebin |
| 10:35.19 | wols | onur: apt-cache search libapache2-mod-perl |
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| 10:37.01 | wols | itchi: btw: I hate beer in all its forms. the smell alone makes me sicj |
| 10:37.04 | wols | *sick |
| 10:37.07 | wols | !tew wols |
| 10:37.11 | wols | !tea wols |
| 10:37.14 | wols | much better |
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| 10:38.02 | itchi | wols: Heh, me too, i never drink beer hehe :-p Just some Pisang Ambon every while. Just wanted to give you a compensation for all the help you gave here ;-) |
| 10:38.50 | wols | I don't help people. I procrastinate |
| 10:38.51 | itchi | hehe |
| 10:39.01 | itchi | wols: No, your that great man! Believe it ;-) |
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| 10:40.00 | jetscreamer | wols: did you see the part about how reinstalling the nvidia.deb that doesn't need reinstalling fixed it? |
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| 10:40.40 | itchi | Azar: hehe, still up you ;-) |
| 10:40.53 | Azar | yah, playing lbreakout2 |
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| 10:44.02 | itchi | I see that the user that was here have not made a bug report about stun for these missing man pages. Gona report it then |
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| 10:47.46 | troytroy | wols how is possible that everything worked fine yesterday but i am having problems today although no conf changes made |
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| 10:47.55 | itchi | sh*t, i got SMTP send failure: SMTP AUTH extension not supported by server. with reportbug |
| 10:48.10 | itchi | Happy that there's a temp file made heh :-p |
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| 10:48.32 | wols | troytroy: my guess is load order |
| 10:48.58 | wols | troytroy: but any way you load it, what you have is just wrong, even when it might work when loaded in right order. so fix it |
| 10:49.00 | itchi | troytroy: The order is very important, for some things |
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| 10:49.27 | wols | e.g. the redundancies |
| 10:49.57 | troytroy | wols should i increase the number of the chilli.iptables in the /etc/rcS.d |
| 10:51.28 | troytroy | wols "/etc/init.d/chilli.iptables" has sym link in "/etc/rcS.d/" as S40chilli.iptables |
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| 10:54.06 | wols | troytroy: I already told you sevreal times what you need to do. I won't repeat myself forever |
| 10:54.06 | troytroy | wols ? |
| 10:54.07 | jetscreamer | him say /lastlog |
| 10:54.07 | wols | and no, your load order won't fix your problems properly. there is more wrong than load order |
| 10:54.09 | wols | even when it might not show up when load order is fixed |
| 10:54.44 | troytroy | wols you are talking in parables. please explain well |
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| 10:56.07 | holycow | *hmm* |
| 10:56.41 | holycow | i installed just a basic debian install with no extra packages ... appearently killall is unrecognized |
| 10:56.50 | holycow | what package do i need to install to get that? |
| 10:56.54 | wols | yes cause it's not in standard package |
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| 10:57.08 | holycow | aha okay so i'm not dreaming |
| 10:57.21 | holycow | sys v utils |
| 10:57.23 | holycow | cool danke |
| 10:57.32 | troytroy | wols what i do then |
| 10:57.34 | wols | holycow: no. psmisc. at least here |
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| 10:58.30 | metbsd | there's no mirror site in china? |
| 10:58.30 | kombi | holycow: psmisc |
| 10:58.30 | wols | troytroy: you finally start reading. and no, I don't mean some shitty CBT |
| 10:58.30 | holycow | ah coolness |
| 10:58.30 | leOn | yep .. psmisc |
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| 10:58.36 | Azar | hehehe @ Configuration Disfiguration |
| 10:59.01 | troytroy | #debian always never give solutions they refer you to go and read. channel should be closed then. bcos google does that better |
| 10:59.11 | holycow | heh |
| 10:59.12 | holycow | no |
| 10:59.29 | holycow | it seems counterintuitive but if spend any time in any of the ubuntu channels ... |
| 10:59.30 | Azar | ho ho ho merry christmas |
| 10:59.31 | dondelelcaro | troytroy: our mission is to help you learn enough information so that you can stand on your own feet, and eventually help other peoples. |
| 10:59.38 | wols | troytroy: if we had a service that simply fixed people's stuff for them, we would charge money and make it a job |
| 10:59.39 | holycow | you will see what a pointless excercise that is |
| 10:59.50 | dondelelcaro | troytroy: if you're not interested in learning, then you can hire a consultant to do things for you |
| 10:59.54 | wols | troytroy: I will gladly fix your firewall as a consultant, but then you have to pay money |
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| 11:00.39 | Bushmills | troytroy: why do you ask on #debian if, as you say, google gives you better answers? |
| 11:00.46 | troytroy | wols well then #debian does not implement the best method of learning |
| 11:00.54 | holycow | thats wrong too |
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| 11:01.04 | holycow | learning is a single dimensional process |
| 11:01.19 | holycow | it is entirely up to the 'learner' to go through the process not the learnee |
| 11:01.25 | Azar | troytroy: you have to do 80% of the job on your own, here you only get hints |
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| 11:01.47 | troytroy | whats the use of telling me to go and read a whole man page when you can point out where the problem is and then refer me to where i can find more info |
| 11:01.48 | holycow | actually conversation on technical topics are mostly useless |
| 11:01.56 | holycow | all that is required is to read a manual |
| 11:02.07 | holycow | the only topics worthy of discussion are where manuals are incorrect |
| 11:02.18 | holycow | in which case you only need 1 conversation and 1 action to fix the manual |
| 11:02.20 | Azar | troytroy: the point is that when you read and get used to the terminology you will understand wols' parables |
| 11:02.25 | wols | troytroy: cause you are lazy. and since you will use this debian install for a business, you willa ctually be dangerous to other people |
| 11:02.26 | Bushmills | holycow: what about "incomplete"? |
| 11:02.31 | holycow | thus your back at the 1 dimensional leraning idea |
| 11:02.38 | leOn | wols: been looking at CKs wiki and docs, i can see some interesting scheduling facilities, but i can't figure out how they can be applied to provide what i need ... everything i see is based on per-process scheduling |
| 11:02.42 | leOn | =( |
| 11:02.45 | wols | so by doing your work for you, we'd commit a double crime: against you and against your clients |
| 11:02.59 | holycow | Bushmills, i'm sure there is a nice boolean of terminology to encapsulate all possible states of being yes :) |
| 11:03.07 | tralala | troytroy, you're welcome to improve #debian |
| 11:03.20 | wols | leOn: ask on the ML of theirs then. better chance of a qualified answer what you need than here imho |
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| 11:03.27 | dondelelcaro | troytroy: in any event, if you're still lost, you need to ask specific questions so that we can direct you to the appropriate location to find the answer. |
| 11:03.33 | leOn | k .. thanks for all the tips |
| 11:04.18 | troytroy | well i guess i have to be smart by asking specific questions to evade such referals :) |
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| 11:04.39 | holycow | troytroy, hehe :) |
| 11:04.41 | Bushmills | sounds like one lesson learned :) |
| 11:05.23 | troytroy | wols did you here that <Bushmills> sounds like one lesson learned :) |
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| 11:05.56 | wols | troytroy: yes, unfortunately it is the wrong one |
| 11:06.38 | holycow | troytroy, there is a neat zen moment that happens for all those running anything-linux |
| 11:06.44 | holycow | eventually you just stop asking questions |
| 11:06.55 | holycow | and you start seeing the trees for the forest |
| 11:07.15 | wols | holycow: I'm not sure if I want to get my Zen moment anytime soon then |
| 11:07.23 | holycow | and all of a sudden you realize all our collective experience is referenced by google and thus most of your questions are solved already |
| 11:07.29 | holycow | you just gotta dig it up |
| 11:07.53 | troytroy | wols so let go over again |
| 11:07.54 | holycow | wols, well i said 'a' zen moment, there are many others :) |
| 11:08.25 | wols | sure. what part of 12:52 < wols> troytroy: I already told you sevreal times what you need to do. I won't repeat myself forever is hard to understand? |
| 11:08.35 | troytroy | wols what is actually wrong in my input chain of my filter table |
| 11:09.05 | troytroy | wols where is the redunduncy there |
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| 11:09.11 | wols | think hard: what happens when I simply tell you rearrange X that way and remove line Y over there? |
| 11:09.27 | wols | what will you actually do? |
| 11:09.51 | troytroy | wols there you go again :( |
| 11:10.10 | wols | troytroy: since you haven't changed. why should I change? |
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| 11:10.18 | tralala | troytroy, why don't you use a firewall tool? shorewall is nice and relatively easy to setup. It's also well documented. |
| 11:10.18 | wols | remember: I can outlazy you any day |
| 11:10.38 | wols | tralala: from what i remember, he IS using shorewall |
| 11:10.46 | tralala | oh |
| 11:10.54 | dondelelcaro | wols: course, you could be ultimately lazy, and just use /ignore |
| 11:10.57 | holycow | or why not download astaro iso |
| 11:10.57 | Azar | and in fact he could just grab a link about iptables, and study it |
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| 11:11.06 | wols | his problems stems fromt he fact that his chillisoft thing comes with an additinal script and he has no clue whatsoever how to mesh thw two |
| 11:11.13 | holycow | they have a nice gui, tutorials online and a community edition i think |
| 11:11.23 | troytroy | wols i disabled it :) |
| 11:11.41 | wols | dondelelcaro: I have a good heart? and you could let me play with him until I get bored. pretty please? |
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| 11:12.27 | Jeffjohnson | which is the right file for iceweasel lockPref settings? I thought /etc/iceweasel/pref/iceweasel.js should be the right one, but lockPref settings are ignored in this file. lockPref in /usr/lib/iceweasel/iceweasel.cfg works, but this file will be overwritten when updating... |
| 11:13.13 | wols | Jeffjohnson: any config files in /etc? non-js ones? |
| 11:14.10 | troytroy | wols "think hard: what happens when I simply tell you rearrange X that way and remove line Y over there?" |
| 11:14.33 | troytroy | wols lets do some algebra. where X =? and Y=? |
| 11:15.24 | tralala | troytroy, can you sum up your problem for me in one sentence if possible? |
| 11:15.32 | wols | troytroy: lets stop pussyfooting instead and answer my question? |
| 11:15.41 | ma3x | wols, hey what was that conversation about sis900 with jetscreamer? |
| 11:15.47 | Bawbag | and ensure the summary is no more than six whole characters |
| 11:16.00 | wols | ma3x: his sis900 totally breaks in kernel 2.6.21 |
| 11:16.11 | troytroy | tralala ? |
| 11:16.30 | Azar | troytroy: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/263 << Creating a Debian Firewall - A step-by-step tutorial |
| 11:16.35 | ma3x | wols, I have2.6.18-4. why is he using unstable? |
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| 11:16.47 | Jeffjohnson | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:17.11 | wols | ma3x: cause Jeffjohnson is l337 |
| 11:17.14 | albatros | where can i found tutorial debian etch raid install sample whith partman ? |
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| 11:17.20 | ma3x | wols, I emailed the guy who wrote the driver, he replied once a few days ago, then I left him some additional info and he never returned the email |
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| 11:17.27 | troytroy | look guys i tried but your discouragement is too high |
| 11:17.31 | tralala | !d-i albatros |
| 11:17.32 | dpkg | albatros, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 11:17.42 | tralala | !ig |
| 11:17.42 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 11:17.45 | tralala | I meant |
| 11:17.52 | wols | troytroy: I'd put it another way: your laziness is too big |
| 11:17.53 | troytroy | all i would do now is format and install smoothwall corporate firewall |
| 11:17.55 | ma3x | wols, well in my case, it produces errors (floods dmesg with packets corrupted) and it causes my %20 loss of bandwidth |
| 11:18.09 | wols | troytroy: have fun doing it |
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| 11:18.18 | troytroy | bye folks |
| 11:18.20 | tralala | troytroy, good luck |
| 11:18.38 | ma3x | wols, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=422675 |
| 11:18.39 | Jeffjohnson | wols: ? |
| 11:18.41 | ma3x | I was the last one to reply |
| 11:18.48 | ma3x | the package maintainer doesn't care at all! |
| 11:19.06 | ma3x | and then you all want debian up and running smooth :p |
| 11:19.07 | troytroy | i fix my nomadix AG gateway to take charge of the chillispot staff |
| 11:19.10 | wols | Jeffjohnson: ok, you're l337 too. I rather meant jetscreamer who has problems with his SIS900 and is running sid |
| 11:19.13 | tralala | ma3x, maybe he's underpaid |
| 11:19.22 | ma3x | tralala, nah, it's just his hobby |
| 11:19.26 | ma3x | he's a rabbit! |
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| 11:20.00 | wols | ma3x: I'm typing this with a SIS900 based NIC on 2.6.20.6. no problems |
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| 11:20.20 | ma3x | wols, no error messages in dmesg? |
| 11:20.31 | wols | it's integrated in the SIS735 chipset here |
| 11:20.41 | ma3x | wols, lspci and show me your NIC |
| 11:20.51 | wols | no error messages. All I get is stupid stuff from my rotuer which is a linux based AR7 device |
| 11:21.04 | Azar | gah after I haven't sleep all night now I might be late for work hehehe |
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| 11:21.10 | wols | some BS daemon on it'S proprietary POS software spews something to the LAN |
| 11:21.17 | Southern | Hi |
| 11:21.21 | holycow | *hmmm* i did update-rc.d foobar defaults for a new init.d script i setup but that hangs the install because it seems to start out of order. how do i make sure that when i do update-rc.d that a particular service (typically something like a web server of some sort) starts up last? |
| 11:21.36 | wols | "IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=01:00:5e:00:00:01:00:1a:4f:c8:8c:f1:08:00 SRC=192.168.2.1 DST=224.0.0.1 LEN=36 TOS=0x00 PREC=0xC0 TTL=1 ID=30671 DF PROTO=2" |
| 11:21.43 | wols | over and over and over |
| 11:21.46 | wols | !kick AVM |
| 11:21.53 | itchi | troytroy: You problem is that you will not learn 'new' things :-s |
| 11:21.54 | ma3x | wols, that's from your router log |
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| 11:22.01 | ma3x | wols, show me the nic line from lspci |
| 11:22.03 | itchi | oh, i was scrolled up :-s |
| 11:22.10 | ma3x | I want to see if you have exactly the same nic |
| 11:22.20 | wols | 00:03.0 Ethernet controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS900 PCI Fast Ethernet (rev 90) |
| 11:22.35 | ma3x | 00:04.0 Ethernet controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS900 PCI Fast Ethernet (rev 91) |
| 11:22.39 | ma3x | mine is rev 91! |
| 11:22.47 | ma3x | is that important? |
| 11:22.58 | wols | possible but unlikely |
| 11:23.11 | ma3x | hm |
| 11:23.12 | troytroy | i even forgot i had this http://linuxcbt.net/products_linuxcbt_firewall_edition.php |
| 11:23.15 | wols | how would we know what changed between those too? our sample size is just way too small |
| 11:23.23 | ma3x | wols, you custom compiled your kernel? |
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| 11:23.32 | wols | yes |
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| 11:23.41 | Bushmills | holycow: you could change to a runlevel with a minimum of services started, and switch back to the default runlevel. |
| 11:23.42 | ma3x | wols, what for? |
| 11:23.42 | sep | holycow, give it a number after all the services it depends on eg update-rd.c foobar defaults 95 or something man update-rc.d will tell you |
| 11:23.44 | tralala | troytroy, is this somehow debian related? |
| 11:23.45 | wols | vanilla kernel source, menuconfig then kernel-package |
| 11:23.48 | Jeffjohnson | wols: so, I assume that you can't help me and never tried to configure iceweasel settings globally? |
| 11:23.53 | wols | ma3x: habit mostly |
| 11:23.57 | holycow | aha! |
| 11:23.59 | albatros | <tralala> http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/512 |
| 11:24.00 | holycow | danke kindly sirs! |
| 11:24.06 | wols | Jeffjohnson: no sorry |
| 11:24.24 | Jeffjohnson | wols: ok, thank you anyway :=) |
| 11:24.24 | itchi | troytroy: honesty, install windows an have fun with the se click and bang tools where you never gona learn somethings about it ... |
| 11:24.28 | ma3x | wols, how much time would it take me to choose modules... compile it.. ? |
| 11:24.29 | troytroy | yes |
| 11:24.59 | wols | ma3x: that's not the hard part. the hard part is to know _what_ to choose and to fix it when/if it doesn't boot properly |
| 11:25.10 | troytroy | no more anybody shitting me trying to impress me how knowledgable he/she is |
| 11:25.26 | wols | I usually need around half an hour or so when I need to do initial config. compile time depends on CPU and harddisk speed. |
| 11:25.36 | wols | modern hardware around 15 min I gues |
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| 11:25.38 | ma3x | wols, what does it look like when you compile it? do you boot from /vmlinuz and /initrd.img ? |
| 11:25.47 | itchi | troytroy: no no, not at all man, you should agree that you not yet know 'the' thing and that you need to splend (many) time to learn 'the' tools you use |
| 11:25.52 | wols | no intird.img ever |
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| 11:26.03 | wols | and kernel-package generates a deb you install like any other |
| 11:26.03 | ma3x | wols, so the final result is vmlinuz file, right? |
| 11:26.22 | wols | itchi: you forgot he should spend a lot more money on CBT stuff too |
| 11:26.24 | ma3x | wols, what version you installed? |
| 11:26.34 | wols | ma3x: vmlinuz is a symlink :) |
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| 11:26.49 | itchi | wols: Yeah, not cheap at all too |
| 11:27.07 | wols | the files at leat under debian is /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.20.6 in my case |
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| 11:27.16 | wols | of debian? sid right now. |
| 11:27.54 | ma3x | wols, my current vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-amd64 is 1.5M why would you need 15mins to compile that? |
| 11:27.58 | ma3x | max 5 I'd say |
| 11:28.38 | tralala | ma3x, how about the modules? |
| 11:28.55 | wols | it depends on the CPU as I said. my 486 took a few hours. my athlonxp abit over 15min or so. a kernel source tree is a few hundred MB btw |
| 11:29.01 | ma3x | 63M tralala |
| 11:29.20 | troytroy | wols that be better than yielding to your extorsion |
| 11:29.24 | troytroy | <wols> troytroy: I will gladly fix your firewall as a consultant, but then you have to pay money |
| 11:29.26 | ma3x | wols, any simple instructions on how to custom compile it? |
| 11:29.29 | tralala | ma3x, so you're compiling ~65M in total |
| 11:29.35 | ma3x | wols, especially for properly choosing the modules... ? |
| 11:29.44 | itchi | troytroy: Anyway, the best recommendation i may say is to hire someone to install/setup the stuff and to teach you the basics about what he did |
| 11:29.55 | wols | troytroy: if you want to spend lots of money for other people instead of really learning something yourself: have your way |
| 11:30.04 | wols | troytroy: and why aren't you already installing shorewall as you said? |
| 11:30.20 | SerajewelKS | is there a way to see the capacity of a blank cd in gnome? especially when viewing burn:///, so i know how much more space i can use? |
| 11:30.27 | itchi | troytroy: If you want to do it yourself, you need to learn, there's no other way |
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| 11:31.01 | itchi | Eat time :-p |
| 11:31.10 | wols | ma3x: three important areas: compile in your main filesystems and make sure your IDE chipset from where you boot is compiled in. then initrd is irrelevant an can be ignored. also cuts down on kernel panics when starting |
| 11:31.16 | wols | last but not least: use debian krenek-package |
| 11:31.16 | troytroy | itchi lecturers come to class and explain stuff before they refer you |
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| 11:31.50 | tralala | !find krenek-package |
| 11:31.54 | troytroy | itchi they dont come to lecture hall and tell you to go and read |
| 11:31.56 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'krenek-package' returned no results. |
| 11:32.03 | wols | tralala: :) |
| 11:32.09 | wols | ma3x: kernel-package |
| 11:32.09 | cydork | !typosmite troytroy |
| 11:32.09 | ma3x | wols, but is there a guide - how to do it? |
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| 11:32.13 | leOn | tralala: it's in experimental only |
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| 11:32.14 | cydork | bahh |
| 11:32.15 | leOn | =P |
| 11:32.18 | wols | cydork: :P |
| 11:32.27 | tralala | :) |
| 11:32.51 | wols | troytroy: you from the US? |
| 11:33.10 | troytroy | well my friend was right folks on #debian are mostly try to extort |
| 11:33.30 | troytroy | wols nope Ghana West Africa |
| 11:33.35 | wols | well, even here in europe lecturers at uni now demand money from students. even if they call it differently |
| 11:34.01 | holycow | troytroy, heh, i think you misunderstand open source instead |
| 11:34.04 | holycow | so does your friend |
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| 11:34.18 | troytroy | wols das ist niche gut meine fruende |
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| 11:34.34 | wols | troytroy: thank you for trying, but what is not good? |
| 11:34.56 | troytroy | <wols> well, even here in europe lecturers at uni now demand money from students. even if they call it differently |
| 11:35.20 | wols | tralala: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22279/ he has problems with this. his chillisoft at port 3390 miraculously can't be accessed |
| 11:35.21 | sep | troytroy, lecturers have a salary, asking in #debian is free. and we have a 100% satisfied, or your money back guarantee |
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| 11:35.43 | abrotman | sep: i haven't gotten my paycheck .. ever |
| 11:35.49 | holycow | lol |
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| 11:35.58 | troytroy | wols did not say that |
| 11:35.58 | wols | abrotman: for lecturing? at uni? |
| 11:36.01 | wols | or for debian? |
| 11:36.04 | holycow | troytroy, you are welcome to ask for a refund |
| 11:36.06 | holycow | -_- |
| 11:36.11 | abrotman | wols: for debian :) |
| 11:36.16 | wols | as for #debian paychecks: you have. They're just really, really, really small |
| 11:36.32 | abrotman | about pint sized eh? :) |
| 11:36.40 | wols | I wonder what happens if a bang gets a cheque handed in over 0.00 ? |
| 11:36.46 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: we pay in virtual beer |
| 11:36.48 | wols | *bank |
| 11:36.53 | sep | troytroy, wols said exactly that. you can ask in here, or you can hire a consultant. |
| 11:36.57 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: yeah .. i've noticed |
| 11:37.02 | dondelelcaro | !beer abrotman |
| 11:37.08 | abrotman | woohoo! |
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| 11:37.15 | abrotman | even if it is 730 |
| 11:37.24 | dondelelcaro | it's never too early for beer |
| 11:37.25 | tralala | especially then |
| 11:37.34 | teclo- | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:37.41 | teclo- | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:37.45 | rocketmagnet | hi folks |
| 11:37.46 | troytroy | ok enough of teasing. now time to teach :) |
| 11:37.51 | abrotman | !tell teclo- about sarge->etch |
| 11:37.53 | vyrus001 | is the xorg version in deb sid realy 1.3.0.0 ? |
| 11:37.56 | wols | teclo-: lose the leading whitespace |
| 11:38.02 | wols | vyrus001: no |
| 11:38.02 | norc | where are sources downloaded to by default? |
| 11:38.10 | abrotman | norc: $PWD |
| 11:38.13 | streuner | !Info xserver-xorg |
| 11:38.16 | rocketmagnet | does someone here may know how to find the PID of the programms that uses the most swap resources ? |
| 11:38.16 | wols | norc: current dir |
| 11:38.17 | dpkg | xserver-xorg: has nothing about Info |
| 11:38.19 | norc | thanks |
| 11:38.28 | norc | l:) |
| 11:38.31 | wols | !info xserver-xorg 7.2 |
| 11:38.39 | teclo- | thank you |
| 11:38.39 | wols | !info xserver-xorg sid |
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| 11:38.43 | dpkg | xserver-xorg: (the X.Org X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:7.2-3 (sid), Packaged size: 427 kB, Installed size: 1296 kB |
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| 11:38.58 | vyrus001 | wols, yea when i install that my x still sais its 1.3.0.0 |
| 11:39.09 | wols | who is this ryuazik guy? |
| 11:39.20 | wols | ryuzaki: please remove that bot that messages people |
| 11:39.36 | abrotman | wols: a bot type guy .. but selective |
| 11:39.37 | sep | rocketmagnet, programs are not swapped out.it's memory pages that are swapped out. |
| 11:39.47 | troytroy | itchi you think there is something wrong with http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22279/ |
| 11:39.49 | ma3x | wols what kernel version you have? |
| 11:39.55 | abrotman | wols: he seems to answer to ! |
| 11:39.57 | wols | vyrus001: apt-cache show xserver-xorg|grep Version |
| 11:40.02 | sep | rocketmagnet, do you have a lot of swap thrashing ? |
| 11:40.11 | wols | abrotman: !info riles him |
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| 11:40.20 | abrotman | wols: so does !tell wols about enter |
| 11:40.23 | rocketmagnet | 63% of my memory is used for cache |
| 11:40.24 | wols | ma3x: I told you 2.6.20.6 which was the newest when I got the source |
| 11:40.29 | hopper | I have a local mirror and it works and all but when I install packages I get a "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!... Install these packages without verification [y/N]?" How can I resolves it? |
| 11:40.31 | rocketmagnet | and 19% by programms |
| 11:40.37 | ma3x | !menuconf |
| 11:40.37 | SaLoMoN | Es gibt Ei (!ei), Toast(!toast), Wurst/Käseteller (!zeug), nutella, Marmelade, Muesli, corn-flakes, joguhrt, Milch, Kaffee, gebratenen speck mit bernerwuerstel und Doener |
| 11:40.39 | ma3x | !menuconfig |
| 11:40.40 | SaLoMoN | Es gibt Ei (!ei), Toast(!toast), Wurst/Käseteller (!zeug), nutella, Marmelade, Muesli, corn-flakes, joguhrt, Milch, Kaffee, gebratenen speck mit bernerwuerstel und Doener |
| 11:40.40 | dpkg | [menuconfig] you will need libncurses5-dev. |
| 11:40.49 | vyrus001 | wols, Version: 1:7.2-3 |
| 11:41.00 | troytroy | all this was working fine till i installed phpmyadmin thats in the repo |
| 11:41.02 | wols | abrotman: ther eis a bot invasion right now! german bots! |
| 11:41.11 | sep | rocketmagnet, and your problem is ? |
| 11:41.15 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: try a !tell abrotman about enter |
| 11:41.18 | troytroy | i guess it made some changes |
| 11:41.22 | wols | troytroy: trust me phpmyadmin has nothing to do with it all |
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| 11:41.31 | rocketmagnet | i have only gaim, irssi and one gnome-terminal open |
| 11:41.41 | streuner | SaLoMoN: we aren't care what you eat at breakfast... |
| 11:41.42 | sep | rocketmagnet, and your problem is ? |
| 11:41.42 | vyrus001 | wols and when i install it and do Xorg -version i get ... X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 1.3 |
| 11:41.43 | troytroy | wols well there was nothing wrong before that |
| 11:42.04 | troytroy | wols and my iptables looked just like this |
| 11:42.33 | wols | troytroy: do a telnet to port 3390. do you get a connection? |
| 11:42.33 | troytroy | when i removed it phpmyadmin now freeradius can now authenticate to db |
| 11:42.34 | itchi | troytroy: honesty, i'm not that good enought to help you about it, try #iptables |
| 11:42.48 | rocketmagnet | sep: i want to find out why so much cache is used (when rebooting, it's not that high, but after starting firefox and some other apps and then closing this apps doesn't seems to free the used cache) |
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| 11:43.14 | itchi | I gona eat now heh :-p |
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| 11:43.21 | wols | rocketmagnet: cache is anything that is not currently used by programs. anything that's left of your RAM |
| 11:43.24 | sep | rocketmagnet, all available RAM is allways used for hard disk cache |
| 11:43.42 | sep | rocketmagnet, it gives you a performance boost |
| 11:43.43 | troytroy | wols why a telnet to port 3990 |
| 11:43.55 | wols | rocketmagnet: so if you close a program, the freed memory is immediately put to cache use |
| 11:44.03 | rocketmagnet | oh |
| 11:44.12 | wols | troytroy: cause you said that's where sillisoft runs and which won't accept connections |
| 11:44.23 | rocketmagnet | so the memory of programms is allways used for hd caching ? |
| 11:44.29 | wols | no |
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| 11:44.30 | tralala | rocketmagnet, you've paid for all the memory - you want to make use of it |
| 11:44.35 | wols | read carefull what I wrote |
| 11:44.45 | sep | rocketmagnet, the memory not used for anything else is used for HD cache |
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| 11:44.52 | troytroy | wols u kidding seems u dont even know my problem and u are suggesting solutions |
| 11:44.53 | sep | instead of it beeing ide empty and to no good |
| 11:44.57 | troytroy | waste of time |
| 11:44.58 | troytroy | bye |
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| 11:45.11 | rocketmagnet | sep & wols: thx |
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| 11:45.23 | SaLoMoN | lol okay streuner :P |
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| 11:45.53 | wols | 12:18 < wols> troytroy: on what port is your chillisoft stuff that is not reachable anymore? |
| 11:45.56 | wols | 12:19 < troytroy> wols 3990 |
| 11:46.01 | wols | so either you lied to me then or now |
| 11:46.03 | wols | what is it? |
| 11:46.05 | ekimus | hello, trying to set up heimdal kerberos, i have DNS records set up for my box (reverse too) and a few SRV records which point to it. but whenever I try to kinit i get "unable to read any KDC in realm" any hints on that? |
| 11:46.35 | troytroy | wols first of all do you know what chillispot does? |
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| 11:47.02 | wols | it's software you say you can't access anymore |
| 11:47.16 | wols | and since you can't you pasted a itpables script which came with it |
| 11:47.21 | troytroy | crazy |
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| 11:47.41 | wols | so when you constantly say bye, and I will install smoothwall. will you finally make true on your promises? |
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| 11:48.25 | troytroy | wols well it my promise so i can honor it or not |
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| 11:48.41 | wols | so it's another lie of yours? good to know |
| 11:48.44 | sep | <troytroy> wols why a telnet to port 3990 <- it's just a test to see if you get a connection. it's standarc practice and i do it 100 times a day while troubleshooting stuff |
| 11:48.49 | troytroy | now back off since you dont even no my problem |
| 11:48.59 | wols | troytroy: good luck getting more help |
| 11:49.17 | troytroy | yes thank you |
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| 11:49.49 | tralala | !trollgong |
| 11:49.56 | tralala | meh |
| 11:50.04 | troytroy | for your info all the ports enabled are accessible just that the captive portal is not working as it should |
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| 11:50.13 | redduck676 | i have a (managed) switch connected to a computer, and dmesg mentiones ttyS0 and ttyS1, if i set up any of those two names a device in minicom -s, save settings and restart minicom without -s it does nothing, no prompt, no reactions to anything i typed no anything. any ideas how to troubleshoot that? |
| 11:50.55 | wols | !setserial |
| 11:51.11 | redduck676 | !serial |
| 11:51.11 | dpkg | i guess serial is a means of operation meaning in series, or one after the other. see also <serial port> |
| 11:51.18 | redduck676 | !serial port |
| 11:51.18 | dpkg | well, serial port is an interface on a computer system with which information is transferred in or out one bit at a time (contrast parallel port). Throughout most of the history of personal computers, this was accomplished using the RS-232 standard over simple cables connecting the computer to a device such as a terminal or modem. Mice, keyboards, and other devices were also often connected this way. see also <parallel port> |
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| 11:51.37 | redduck676 | :( |
| 11:51.51 | wols | redduck676: maybe check minicom config files if it stores the serial config there |
| 11:51.54 | sep | troytroy, and in what way are it not working as it should |
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| 11:52.08 | xand | redduck676: I use "screen /dev/ttyS0" instead of minicom... easier for most things |
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| 11:52.42 | wols | xand: and where does it get the serial settins from like 38400,8N1? |
| 11:52.58 | xand | nfi ;) |
| 11:53.09 | sep | It's painful to try to help someone when you have to drag details from them |
| 11:53.10 | wols | ah, the "pixie dust" configuration :) |
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| 11:53.32 | wols | sep: get used to it |
| 11:53.55 | redduck676 | xand: nice, thanks |
| 11:54.15 | ma3x | what's this sign file? |
| 11:54.21 | wols | 11:32 < troytroy> probelm is i cannot connect to internal interface |
| 11:54.24 | ma3x | linux-2.6.21.1.tar.sign 27-Apr-2007 21:59 248 |
| 11:54.27 | ma3x | should I download that? |
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| 11:54.35 | ootput | wols: isn't that conversation over? |
| 11:54.48 | babo | however removed the tool that I used to do this before, should be made use windows as an OS for 3 weeks as punishment ... |
| 11:54.56 | ootput | or do you like dragging out the drama longer than it needs to be |
| 11:55.01 | wols | ootput: mine with sep? why? |
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| 11:55.08 | babo | can someone tell me how to add services to runlevels on startup, and save me having to write startup scripts for every new application that I install ? |
| 11:55.17 | ma3x | linux-2.6.21.2.tar.gz linux-2.6.21.2.tar.gz.sign or linux-2.6.21.2.tar.sign? |
| 11:55.20 | ma3x | what do I need? |
| 11:55.23 | wols | !rcconf |
| 11:55.24 | dpkg | "rcconf" is, like, a frontend to the update-rc.d, or check out "sysv-rc-conf" - see these http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212 and http://blogs.cyberciti.biz/hm/index.php/2005/10/27/removing-unwanted-startup-debian-files-or-services/ and ask me about <services> ...and if it's broken, try this: for a in $(ls /etc/rc?.d/???jabber) ; do rm $a ; done |
| 11:55.25 | wols | ma3x: neither |
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| 11:56.00 | wols | babo: the debs usually come with those files already installed |
| 11:56.19 | ma3x | wols, so from what do I compile? |
| 11:56.20 | babo | wols: not this one apparently .. |
| 11:56.27 | wols | babo: which is? |
| 11:56.36 | ma3x | wols, what do I download from http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ |
| 11:56.37 | wols | ma3x: from the bz2. it's the smalles of them all |
| 11:57.10 | wols | smallest of the source tar files that is |
| 11:57.32 | babo | wols: postfix. There's a script alright, but it doesn't seem to run on startup ... |
| 11:57.43 | babo | for whatever reason ... |
| 11:58.14 | wols | cause there is no symlink to /etc/init.d/postfix from /etc/rc2.d/ |
| 11:58.31 | wols | /etc/rc2.d/S20postfix -> ../init.d/postfix |
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| 11:59.45 | wols | however, all debian debs installed will configure it that way. so wher did you get yours from? |
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| 12:00.31 | wols | ma3x: and to answer your question, the sign files are there so you can check authenticity of a kernel tarball |
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| 12:12.16 | Thumann | hi, anyone who has experience with openssi running on debian? |
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| 12:12.52 | spheard | hey, how do I see the kpkg mantra? |
| 12:13.09 | cydork | spheard: /msg dpkg kp mantra |
| 12:13.33 | spheard | sweet, thanks |
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| 12:14.06 | spheard | cydork: is there anything explaining why its like that. I see two cleans... |
| 12:14.09 | troytroy | lol i just receive a pm that some guy of here who thinks he a nerd is really a dick |
| 12:14.15 | troytroy | :) |
| 12:14.52 | troytroy | <ootput> wols is a dick. fuck him |
| 12:15.07 | troytroy | wols :) |
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| 12:16.07 | troytroy | wow this apple mini looks great |
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| 12:16.38 | tarzeau | troytroy: does it have a dual intel core? |
| 12:16.59 | troytroy | tarzeau nope just coreduo |
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| 12:17.09 | tarzeau | troytroy: that's what i meant |
| 12:18.01 | troytroy | tarzeau ok i thought u meant core2duo |
| 12:18.24 | tarzeau | troytroy: true i was not clear |
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| 12:18.38 | tarzeau | troytroy: they don't exist for mac mini, do they? |
| 12:18.48 | wols | ootput: thanks |
| 12:18.49 | tarzeau | troytroy: i've seen a G5 case with octo (8way) |
| 12:19.00 | troytroy | tarzeau i should think so although a friend was bluffing to have one |
| 12:19.17 | spheard | The kernel compilation mantra is make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. Add MAKEFLAGS="HOSTCC=gcc-3.3 CC=gcc-3.3" before each command if you're building an older kernel ---- Does anyone know |
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| 12:19.43 | troytroy | wols so u are a dick :) |
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| 12:20.34 | wols | troytroy: grow up |
| 12:20.48 | abrotman | yeah .. so there! |
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| 12:21.00 | wols | abrotman: you too :) |
| 12:21.12 | wols | but I guess this would be redundant |
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| 12:21.46 | tralala | oh, that's so qotd |
| 12:21.51 | troytroy | wols so when i you going to stop being a dick and tell me whats wrong with my iptables |
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| 12:21.59 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: that's really a way of saying "i don't have enough balls to deal with the real world" :) |
| 12:22.01 | tralala | it's a pitty I'm too lazy to add it |
| 12:22.22 | SerajewelKS | troytroy: you know there is #iptables, right? |
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| 12:22.35 | wols | troytroy: when you pay my consultancy fee. have you solved any of your problems yet? |
| 12:22.55 | bahadunn | wols: you do debian consulting? |
| 12:22.58 | abrotman | and netfilter.org and lartc.org |
| 12:23.13 | wols | bahadunn: I make a special exception for troytroy. always wanted to visit ghana |
| 12:23.45 | troytroy | wols you are always welcome |
| 12:23.46 | wols | bahadunn: he basically wants "do my work" type of deal and refuses to learn anything on his own |
| 12:23.55 | wols | troytroy: what are your rates then? |
| 12:24.05 | troytroy | wols i got money and you got techy brains :) |
| 12:24.12 | bahadunn | wols: ah |
| 12:24.37 | abrotman | troytroy: maybe you should find an admin and pay him ? |
| 12:24.46 | wols | if I know something, then it is that you don't have money. and I'm not so sure about my brains either |
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| 12:24.48 | abrotman | why am i getting involved ... |
| 12:24.51 | troytroy | wols i am thinking of purchasing some BelAir wireless mesh equipments and deploying them |
| 12:24.56 | bahadunn | troytroy: depending on your requirements I can assist |
| 12:25.07 | tralala | !trollcall |
| 12:25.08 | dpkg | I thought I saw a don't feed the trolls sign around here somewhere.... |
| 12:25.13 | troytroy | these Nomadix and ISS4000 gateways cost a fortune |
| 12:25.16 | wols | troytroy: good for you |
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| 12:25.51 | troytroy | i came accross this link http://www.hotspotexpress.in |
| 12:31.32 | troytroy | really like the way he bundled his softeware |
| 12:31.32 | troytroy | turnkey |
| 12:31.32 | abrotman | troytroy: do you have a Debian question ? |
| 12:31.33 | sep | abrotman, your a sucker for misery ? |
| 12:31.33 | abrotman | you're |
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| 12:31.34 | troytroy | yes i wish someone on debian would be patriotic enough to package a debian iso like that |
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| 12:31.34 | troytroy | out of the box solution :) |
| 12:31.35 | troytroy | anyway am willing to sponsor the project |
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| 12:31.36 | sep | troytroy, debian is not about helping the technicaly challenged, it's about making the greatest tool for the technicaly capable. |
| 12:31.37 | petemc | but if debian wants to beat windows!!!! |
| 12:31.37 | wols | petemc: right now i want to beat on something else |
| 12:31.37 | troytroy | sep then debian is a closed group |
| 12:31.37 | petemc | :) |
| 12:31.37 | spheard | petemc: debian will never beat windows |
| 12:31.37 | abrotman | troytroy: do you have a Debian question or not? |
| 12:31.38 | troytroy | yes |
| 12:31.38 | sep | petemc, debian is not violent |
| 12:31.38 | petemc | spheard: it can if he get more guis lol!!!!!!! |
| 12:31.38 | spheard | petemc: more likely take over RHEL (YAY) and bloody solaris |
| 12:31.38 | troytroy | abrotman solve my chillispot problem for me and earn a $100 paypal |
| 12:31.39 | sep | troytroy, not at all. but it does require a slight reading skill and willingless to learn |
| 12:31.39 | mrsn0 | i hope debian doesn't get compared to debian much |
| 12:31.39 | mrsn0 | err whoops |
| 12:31.39 | sep | for those that can't read or are unwilling to learn, can pay consultants :) |
| 12:31.39 | mrsn0 | windows even |
| 12:31.40 | abrotman | troytroy: how is that related to debian ? |
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| 12:31.40 | troytroy | cos i deployed it on debian |
| 12:31.41 | abrotman | but it's not a debian package |
| 12:31.41 | troytroy | that why i like my mac box |
| 12:31.41 | spheard | who was that guy last night goin on about his teperature thing? |
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| 12:31.42 | troytroy | intuitive configuration without compromising the power of shell |
| 12:31.42 | abrotman | spheard: Muisje or something |
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| 12:31.44 | wols | abrotman: yep |
| 12:31.44 | spheard | abrotman: you know you get a real sence of deja vu sometimes |
| 12:31.45 | abrotman | troytroy: how about instead of trolling the channel .. you ask a concise question |
| 12:31.50 | abrotman | spheard: sense |
| 12:31.50 | SerajewelKS | tryi have windows xp deployed on debian using a debian-packaged virtual machine program. that doesn't mean windows xp is supported here. apply the analogy to your situation. |
| 12:31.54 | troytroy | well as they say. "anything free is really not perfect" |
| 12:31.59 | SerajewelKS | s/tryi/troytroy/ |
| 12:32.01 | troytroy | debian is free :) |
| 12:32.06 | SerajewelKS | troytroy: see what i said above |
| 12:32.07 | petemc | looks like more trolling |
| 12:32.08 | abrotman | spheard: i have a weird memory .. |
| 12:32.29 | wols | spheard: how so. muisje was quite ok when I talked to him. not totally debian related either of course |
| 12:32.51 | abrotman | and an angry SOB |
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| 12:33.17 | wols | abrotman: you have an angry SOB? is he dangerous? |
| 12:33.18 | troytroy | good torrent finish downloading |
| 12:33.25 | spheard | wols: :-| |
| 12:33.45 | SerajewelKS | troytroy: we don't need an announcement when your computer does something |
| 12:33.49 | ma3x | wols, can you paste me .conf file for kernel? |
| 12:33.59 | abrotman | heh |
| 12:34.34 | ma3x | brotman what's so funny? |
| 12:34.39 | wols | spheard: just browsed logs. he was a bit different after I left. I simply told him to buy more fans and remove the case wands as a stopgap |
| 12:35.08 | wols | ma3x: dcc wokring on your end? |
| 12:35.21 | ma3x | wols, should I forward some ports or something? |
| 12:35.22 | abrotman | wols: put in in #flood .. just for extra humor |
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| 12:35.31 | ma3x | wols, or pastebin.ca |
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| 12:35.53 | spheard | spheard: sometimes its difficult to see weither the trolling induces the flaming or the flaming induces the trolling |
| 12:36.10 | troytroy | :) |
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| 12:36.26 | troytroy | vice versa and versa vice |
| 12:36.29 | troytroy | lol |
| 12:36.31 | abrotman | spheard: you don't say ... |
| 12:36.45 | goban | does etch have more up-to-date packages than feisty? what about lenny |
| 12:36.52 | spheard | Im not saying nothin, I am a n00b. I know my place |
| 12:36.54 | abrotman | goban: etch is stable ... |
| 12:36.59 | abrotman | !meaning of stable |
| 12:37.00 | dpkg | ok, listen up. "Stable" in debian terminology means "doesn't change". Stable is stable. Unstable, by definition is not, unless you don't update it, which means you're not up-to-date with security fixes. Either way, you're wrong, and you sound stupid, and you're giving a false impression of what sid is REALLY like. See <sid evangelism>. http://www.us.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-getting.en.html#s-updatestable |
| 12:37.13 | SerajewelKS | spheard: that's not really relevant though, since neither trolling nor flaming are acceptable behavior |
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| 12:37.28 | abrotman | goban: lenny will get more up to date packages .. but be less stable |
| 12:37.28 | wols | http://pastebin.ca/507178 |
| 12:37.33 | wols | don't foget make oldconfig |
| 12:37.52 | ma3x | wols, what's oldconfig for? default conf file? |
| 12:37.53 | wols | ma3x: and no, I will NOT troubleshoot if it blows up in your face with a kernel panic |
| 12:37.54 | spheard | SerajewelKS: I like to watch everyone get all hot and bothered |
| 12:38.11 | ma3x | wols, don't worry, I got another working image (current one) |
| 12:38.14 | abrotman | spheard: that's called trolling |
| 12:38.26 | SerajewelKS | spheard: sounds like you'd like "reality" tv then |
| 12:38.48 | spheard | SerajewelKS: dont have a TV, have to get my fixes somehow |
| 12:39.04 | wols | spheard: use youtube. it'S free |
| 12:39.13 | purplepenguins | TV is shit nowadays anyway |
| 12:39.15 | spheard | abrotman:I never troll I just watch |
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| 12:39.36 | tarzeau | etch quota is broken! |
| 12:39.37 | spheard | purplepenguins:we have to pay £120 odd for the pleasure in the UK |
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| 12:39.52 | purplepenguins | wow |
| 12:39.59 | purplepenguins | for a TV set or service? |
| 12:40.02 | wols | tarzeau: have you reported a bug? |
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| 12:40.08 | tarzeau | wols: not yet |
| 12:40.12 | abrotman | slacker! |
| 12:40.19 | tarzeau | wols: the problem doesn't happen in any case |
| 12:40.24 | tarzeau | wols: only w/ freebsd 6.2 nfs servers |
| 12:40.27 | themill | purplepenguins: for the privilege of owning a tv |
| 12:40.27 | wols | purplepenguins:just for a license when you own a TV |
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| 12:40.45 | themill | purplepenguins: that's each year too |
| 12:40.45 | tarzeau | wols: and only w/ software that makes locks (openoffice, mozilla firefox, quotaoff, gpg etc) |
| 12:40.47 | purplepenguins | you have to buy a license? |
| 12:40.59 | tarzeau | wols: forward porting the sarge quota fixed it |
| 12:41.00 | purplepenguins | that is appalling |
| 12:41.02 | themill | purplepenguins: or don't own a tv :) |
| 12:41.10 | wols | purplepenguins: yes. common in europe. the BBC is funded by that license |
| 12:41.21 | tarzeau | wols: would you report that bug? |
| 12:41.26 | purplepenguins | Hmm |
| 12:41.32 | tarzeau | wols: i mean, if nobody else has the problem, and nobody reports it, who cares? |
| 12:41.43 | purplepenguins | so I won't be getting TV service in Europe |
| 12:41.51 | purplepenguins | if I ever move there |
| 12:41.51 | nvz | spheard: last I checked tv was free in UK |
| 12:41.53 | wols | tarzeau: only after lots of testing about it. and it involved locks and nfs. pretty much evreyone who can will run away :) |
| 12:42.00 | nvz | http://www.tv-links.co.uk/ |
| 12:42.02 | themill | purplepenguins: actually, this year is £135.50 (US$270) |
| 12:42.07 | tarzeau | wols: 3 people tested it for 1,5 days now |
| 12:42.08 | spheard | nvz: www.tvlicencing.gov.uk |
| 12:42.13 | ma3x | wols, why do I need make oldconfig? it asks me 10000 questions |
| 12:42.19 | nvz | spheard: http://www.tv-links.co.uk/ |
| 12:42.19 | tarzeau | wols: we've got a simple testcase |
| 12:42.21 | troytroy | lol performing reconaisance attacks |
| 12:42.27 | purplepenguins | in any case, most TV isn't worth watching |
| 12:42.40 | purplepenguins | that which is can be pirated anyway |
| 12:42.42 | troytroy | good pgpg |
| 12:42.46 | themill | purplepenguins: yep.... £135.50 goes a long way in mail-order dvds |
| 12:42.54 | tarzeau | wols: i think i'll not waste time writing a bug report, but maybe the other guys here will do |
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| 12:43.19 | loca|host | hello all |
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| 12:43.33 | loca|host | how to know which partition is mounted as readonly ? |
| 12:43.34 | zzkevinm | Sadly, I know the law rregarding TV Licences in the UK :( |
| 12:43.46 | abrotman | loca|host: mount |
| 12:44.12 | spheard | nvz:been using tv-links for quite a while |
| 12:44.13 | zzkevinm | If you watch or record a TV program as it is being broadcast live on any device you require a TV licence |
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| 12:44.24 | spheard | ello zzkevinm |
| 12:44.33 | SerajewelKS | and how the hell do they enforce that |
| 12:44.33 | loca|host | abrotman, mount reported that /var is rw, but i cant write to it saying that its mounted as ro, df report good status for free space |
| 12:44.40 | purplepenguins | in the USA you just pay for cable and be done with it |
| 12:44.49 | nvz | spheard: my brother told me about it, I never checked it out though.. I dont understand how that site exists.. got like 7 seasons or so of some shows |
| 12:44.53 | purplepenguins | although I don't bother because I don't have a TV |
| 12:44.54 | spheard | SerajewelKS they send people round you house |
| 12:44.58 | zzkevinm | they have vans with funny aerials on the top |
| 12:45.09 | SerajewelKS | spheard: and if you have a TV tuner card in your PC? |
| 12:45.13 | SerajewelKS | spheard: they check for those too? |
| 12:45.18 | spheard | SerajewelKS:yep |
| 12:45.18 | zzkevinm | detect the live signal then bang on your door |
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| 12:45.35 | spheard | I dont think they detect the live signal, that is an urban myth |
| 12:45.58 | spheard | tv licencing - the last bastion of facism in the UK |
| 12:46.07 | zzkevinm | then why do they have the aerial thinggy on the roof ? |
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| 12:46.17 | abrotman | loca|host: can you restart the box ? |
| 12:46.20 | troytroy | hmm doing that calculation i will be making $7340 every semester if i deploy my wireless network on campus |
| 12:46.30 | troytroy | good |
| 12:46.31 | loca|host | abrotman, restarted it, nothing new |
| 12:46.35 | zzkevinm | hardly the last bastion, how about road tax |
| 12:46.55 | SerajewelKS | anyway this is all pretty OT |
| 12:46.55 | spheard | zzkevinm: the power of the DB |
| 12:46.55 | abrotman | loca|host: is /var/ a separate partition ? |
| 12:46.57 | loca|host | yes |
| 12:47.03 | spheard | it is |
| 12:47.35 | Bushmills | purplepenguins: re TV license ... in Germany, internet capable *computers* have been declared as receiving equipment, and require people to pay radio license. |
| 12:48.04 | purplepenguins | guess that makes sense, somewhat |
| 12:48.09 | abrotman | loca|host: touch /var/forcefsck .. restart again |
| 12:48.20 | purplepenguins | but the idea of licensing costing that much annoys me |
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| 12:48.24 | purplepenguins | if I lived there I wouldn't bother |
| 12:48.25 | abrotman | and maybe touch /forcefsc |
| 12:48.27 | abrotman | and maybe touch /forcefsck |
| 12:48.32 | purplepenguins | download off of bittorrent |
| 12:48.39 | Bushmills | only partly ... as the service you pay for is not sufficiently available in the internet |
| 12:48.41 | abrotman | hi azeem! |
| 12:48.43 | D4N` | yo |
| 12:48.58 | spheard | Bushmills:wonder if there going to try that in the UK? wonder if it fits in with blairs "computer in every home" |
| 12:49.15 | loca|host | abrotman, ok |
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| 12:49.51 | zzkevinm | UK abolished radio licences ages ago |
| 12:49.54 | Bushmills | yes, first sponsor computer, than send racketeers top household, for regular payment for owning one. |
| 12:50.32 | ootput | troytroy: thanks |
| 12:51.15 | Bushmills | i am in ireland, and the license guy wanted to make me pay for having an aerial on the roof |
| 12:51.34 | purplepenguins | bushmills is an irish whiskey isn't it? |
| 12:51.46 | Bushmills | i asked him whether i'd have to pay for a fork in my drawer too |
| 12:51.50 | ootput | malt |
| 12:51.56 | Bushmills | (as you can use a fork as an aerial) |
| 12:51.59 | Bushmills | yes, it is |
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| 12:52.49 | spheard | god damn slugs been at my parsley |
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| 12:53.05 | abrotman | spheard: see! |
| 12:53.13 | ekimus | so anyone could help me with heimdal kerberos? upon kinit i get "kinit: krb5_get_init_creds: unable to reach any KDC in realm MARCHER.NAME" pasted some info and config at http://paste.debian.net/28734 - i just don't get what is wrong here... |
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| 12:53.40 | Bushmills | spheard: a trough, filled with beer, supposedly helps against slugs |
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| 12:54.22 | zzkevinm | nah Bushmills, spheard would drink the beer !! |
| 12:54.22 | spheard | Bushmills:Im going to have to o something major, what am I going to have with my rainbow trout now? |
| 12:54.27 | ootput | a trough filled with beer wouldn't last a second in my household |
| 12:54.52 | spheard | zzkevinm:oi |
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| 12:55.12 | abrotman | ekimus: i don't know much about what you're doing .. but felix.marcher.name:88 is there .. and you can access the port ? |
| 12:56.15 | ekimus | that is all local and i don't have any firewall configured |
| 12:56.18 | ekimus | abrotman: |
| 12:56.34 | Bushmills | spheard: a red wine should go well with the trout |
| 12:56.38 | Bushmills | :P |
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| 12:57.05 | zzkevinm | did someone mention red wine :) |
| 12:57.41 | spheard | Bushmills:not today, today is kernel build day and Im not doing too well with it |
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| 12:57.55 | abrotman | ekimus: 88 isn't listening 0.0.0.0 |
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| 12:59.58 | loca|host | abrotman, i cant do touch /var/forcefsck since it's RO |
| 13:00.23 | Southern | touch creates the file |
| 13:00.38 | abrotman | loca|host: man mount .. look for the option to remount and remonut as rw .. then do it .. then restart |
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| 13:01.04 | SerajewelKS | mount -o rw,remount /var |
| 13:01.17 | ekimus | abrotman: that's in inetd nmap shows the port as open |
| 13:01.17 | loca|host | ok |
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| 13:01.52 | benderz0r | I have the testing weekly install cd 1 ..I'm in the opening parts of the installer and it is saying it cannot detect disks and to select which sata driver to use - is there some way I can drop to lspci so I can see what the controller is? |
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| 13:02.09 | benderz0r | scratch that, I'm an idiot :P ... |
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| 13:04.32 | waspius | hello...after installing tor and after having some crashing problems for some reason when i start qtorrent i get the message waiting for hash check and no downloads or uploads work..any ideas? |
| 13:04.32 | Dabian | Hey |
| 13:05.16 | Dabian | I have a question. How do I get GRUB boot Debian GNU/HURD? Its on hda1. |
| 13:05.31 | tarzeau | Dabian: #hurd |
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| 13:05.40 | Dabian | kernel /boot/gnumach root=hd0s1 |
| 13:05.46 | Dabian | gives me |
| 13:05.47 | Begasus | someone shoot grub ... |
| 13:05.49 | Dabian | Error 17 |
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| 13:05.54 | Dabian | !lart Begasus |
| 13:05.56 | Daisuke__ | Hi |
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| 13:06.05 | ekimus | waspius: does bittorrent even work over tor? |
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| 13:06.17 | Begasus | w00t ;) |
| 13:06.26 | Daisuke__ | i have a little issue with my screen (HP pavilion mx70), anyone can help?? |
| 13:06.26 | Begasus | well it's buggy to say the least |
| 13:06.28 | zege | Hi. Does anyone know how i can realise a php-register form for ejabberd? |
| 13:06.30 | Dabian | tarzeau: THe channel isn't active right now. |
| 13:06.45 | waspius | ekimus: i dont know..i suppose it should..however i killed tor application but still it does not work |
| 13:06.53 | tarzeau | Dabian: wait until it gets active? |
| 13:06.55 | Dabian | tarzeau: Thanks for the idea though. :) |
| 13:07.02 | Dabian | Well, its debian? |
| 13:07.33 | Dabian | tarzeau: Manual tells me to to type this at grub prompt: kernel /boot/gnumach root=hd0s1 |
| 13:07.34 | benderz0r | how does one work out which sata driver they require? |
| 13:07.36 | ma3x | why do I need initrd with current linux-image? |
| 13:07.39 | Dabian | tarzeau: but it works not. |
| 13:07.44 | Dabian | tarzeau: I get 17 error. |
| 13:07.57 | benderz0r | the most I can find out about mine from lspci is that it is in the intel 82801h chipset |
| 13:08.00 | Dabian | tarzeau: partion not mountable |
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| 13:08.12 | Dabian | tarzeau: "Cannot mount selected partition" or similar. |
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| 13:08.53 | Begasus | try that to when another OS is on that system .... can't boot two systems anymore then ... |
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| 13:09.21 | abrotman | ekimus: can you telnet to the port? telnet felix 88 |
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| 13:15.20 | waspius | any utilities to open rar files? |
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| 13:16.12 | xsdg | waspius: unrar |
| 13:16.17 | xsdg | waspius: it's probably in non-free |
| 13:16.26 | waspius | any free? |
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| 13:17.06 | wols | apt-cache will show you one |
| 13:17.12 | wols | but it's less featured |
| 13:17.40 | waspius | ok thank you |
| 13:18.06 | loca|host | i need to run tar on a distant server to backup data on my laptop, partitions are forced to read only, so i cant tar on the server, how can i tar on the fly with ssh ? |
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| 13:18.46 | astronaute | poir fly :( |
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| 13:18.48 | astronaute | poor |
| 13:19.51 | xsdg | loca|host: tar -cvvzO /somedirectory | ssh elsewhere 'cat > thetarfile.tar.gz' |
| 13:20.23 | xsdg | loca|host: of course, you may not want to run it verbosely if it's remote |
| 13:20.31 | RichiH | heh |
| 13:20.35 | RichiH | it is ze xsdg |
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| 13:20.38 | xsdg | RichiH: hey |
| 13:20.39 | Dabian | ok ... guess this channel isn't helpful. |
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| 13:20.45 | xsdg | RichiH: my last final was yesterday :o) |
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| 13:21.12 | xsdg | RichiH: I'm just recreating my irssi config now, which is why I'm not anywhere else |
| 13:21.29 | RichiH | it is also the xsdg who did not even ID to nickserv ;) |
| 13:21.39 | RichiH | xsdg: ah :) |
| 13:21.42 | RichiH | xsdg: congrats |
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| 13:22.26 | Bushmills | do you have opinions on the D programming language? hype or meat? |
| 13:22.55 | xsdg | Bushmills: by virtue of nobody using it, I'd say "hype," but I don't have personal experience |
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| 13:23.18 | ma3x | tarzeau, you there? |
| 13:24.14 | Bushmills | neither do i. just making up my mind whether i should have a go at it, or instead chose another unpopular langauge |
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| 13:24.23 | ma3x | why does custom build fail? |
| 13:24.24 | Bushmills | choose, even |
| 13:24.26 | ma3x | http://pastebin.ca/507230 |
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| 13:25.14 | ma3x | anyone? |
| 13:25.14 | Nosf3ratu | bueller? |
| 13:25.36 | xsdg | ma3x: patience |
| 13:25.40 | ma3x | anyone? |
| 13:25.41 | Nosf3ratu | bueller? |
| 13:25.45 | ma3x | heh, I knew it was bot |
| 13:25.53 | xand | anyone? |
| 13:25.53 | Nosf3ratu | bueller? |
| 13:26.09 | ma3x | I nuked tralala :p |
| 13:26.15 | xand | !fist Nosf3ratu |
| 13:26.17 | xsdg | ma3x: that said, it looks like you don't have a copy of the kernel source available (either that or you don't have a compatible version) |
| 13:26.51 | ma3x | xsdg, what kernel source? I am compiling from kernel source |
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| 13:27.07 | ma3x | xsdg, fyi I have installed rt2500 as module |
| 13:27.08 | niru | what all packages are involved in gnome |
| 13:27.12 | ma3x | does that bother the compilation? |
| 13:27.14 | niru | can I get a list of packages |
| 13:27.20 | niru | I know around 5 to 6 |
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| 13:27.35 | Bushmills | niru: apt-cache depends gnome |
| 13:27.56 | waspius | i think tor is not allowing qtorrent to run...i have killed its application but still qtorrent wount work..any ideas on what i can do to see why qtorrent is not working? |
| 13:28.26 | ma3x | niru, rather do apt-get install gnome and see what packages will get listed |
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| 13:28.31 | xsdg | ma3x: rt2500 may expect a different version of the kernel source, then |
| 13:28.44 | niru | Bushmills, ok |
| 13:29.11 | Bushmills | package selection is done recursively, of course. |
| 13:29.48 | xsdg | brb |
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| 13:30.40 | ma3x | xsdg, what do you mean by that rt2500 expects a different version of the kernel source |
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| 13:30.52 | ma3x | xsdg, I do make-kpkg inside the kernel tree |
| 13:31.07 | ma3x | xsdg, isn't the rt2500 source in there too? (in some dub directory) ? |
| 13:31.55 | xsdg | ma3x: hmm... not sure then |
| 13:32.04 | cydork | niru: you can use apt-rdepends. |
| 13:32.12 | xsdg | ma3x: the error is on the 5th line of what you posted (that it can't find linux/config.h) |
| 13:32.58 | abrotman | Nosf3ratu: really .. please turn it off .. |
| 13:33.20 | ma3x | xsdg, right |
| 13:33.23 | ma3x | brb |
| 13:33.23 | Bushmills | *shudder* i have a certain dislike for linux executables, ending in ".exe" .. the archiv with the D compiler is full of those. |
| 13:33.25 | n3kl | Anyone have any expierence with nvraid? Its a bios raid set, so software, but I am beginning to wonder if I need to configure the raid in the bios at all, or if I can just us mdadm and create the array. Anyone know? |
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| 13:34.24 | eMish | Where can I get man that has -K option (slow search throughout full text of all manpages) ? Some other distros have it. |
| 13:34.59 | abrotman | man -k <searchterm> |
| 13:35.07 | eMish | no, no |
| 13:35.11 | abrotman | oh .. not keywords |
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| 13:35.15 | eMish | -k searches only searches in the index |
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| 13:35.39 | eMish | hmmm ? |
| 13:35.55 | abrotman | i haven't seen it .. is it in the standard man from source ? |
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| 13:36.27 | eMish | probably a fork of the man that debian uses |
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| 13:36.52 | Asche | how can i chroot un my debian with a livecd |
| 13:37.00 | Asche | to change something in menu.lst ? |
| 13:37.06 | niru | cydork, its really nice |
| 13:37.30 | niru | cydork, I installed the apt-rdepends command and it showed all the depended packages |
| 13:37.33 | eMish | Asche, you don't need to chroot to edit menu.lst |
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| 13:37.41 | abrotman | eMish: it would be in the docs |
| 13:37.51 | Asche | yes, because the kernel i updated dont work |
| 13:38.02 | eMish | abrotman, you read all the docs ? |
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| 13:38.20 | abrotman | eMish: no .. i mean .. the source of the source would be in the docs :) |
| 13:38.36 | eMish | abrotman, if you already read all the docs, this is not of interest to you |
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| 13:38.57 | Bushmills | Asche: mount your hard disk file system with debian root, then chroot to it |
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| 13:39.11 | abrotman | eMish: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/m/man-db/man-db_2.4.3-6/man-db.copyright |
| 13:39.14 | humpel | hi |
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| 13:39.25 | humpel | I try to get my german keyboard working |
| 13:39.34 | abrotman | eMish: so you could see if upstream has that feature .. or it's only in those distros |
| 13:39.48 | humpel | I use debian 4 and ret about dpkg-reconfigure |
| 13:39.54 | humpel | which I cant find anywhere |
| 13:40.07 | humpel | apt-utils does not contain it |
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| 13:40.10 | humpel | any hints? |
| 13:40.17 | abrotman | use it as root |
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| 13:40.21 | Bushmills | humpel: console, or X ? |
| 13:40.25 | humpel | X |
| 13:40.45 | azeem | hi abrotman |
| 13:41.07 | Bushmills | humpel: what package are you attempting to reconfigure? |
| 13:41.08 | abrotman | :) |
| 13:41.09 | humpel | in konsole too |
| 13:41.18 | vyrus001 | i have a .deb that has a depandancy that it conflicts with... how the hell does that work ? |
| 13:41.21 | abrotman | humpel: you sohuld be root to use it |
| 13:41.39 | abrotman | vyrus001: it's a conflict .. someone messed up ? |
| 13:41.41 | Bushmills | humpel: you can edit the X config file yourself |
| 13:41.54 | humpel | dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 13:41.55 | Bushmills | humpel: look at the "InputDevice" section |
| 13:42.21 | humpel | ok thats the X part |
| 13:42.21 | vyrus001 | abrotman, yea i dont get it, if i try to install it it sais foobar package conflicts, if i un install foobar package it sais foobar package is a dependancy |
| 13:42.35 | humpel | what about that dpkg-reconfigure tool |
| 13:42.39 | humpel | I cant find it anywhere |
| 13:42.42 | abrotman | vyrus001: check the BTS |
| 13:42.47 | abrotman | humpel: are oyu using it as root ? |
| 13:42.51 | abrotman | are you running debian ? |
| 13:43.08 | vyrus001 | abchirk, BTS ? |
| 13:43.15 | vyrus001 | abrotman, ? |
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| 13:43.36 | Bushmills | dpkg-reconfigure is in package debconf |
| 13:44.03 | abrotman | eMish: quick search says upstream doesn't have it |
| 13:44.04 | abrotman | !bts |
| 13:44.04 | dpkg | i guess bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 13:44.12 | humpel | Bushmills how do you found out? |
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| 13:44.24 | Bushmills | humpel: dpkg -S dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 13:47.22 | humpel | I wasnt root |
| 13:47.28 | humpel | thx |
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| 13:50.05 | Asche | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:50.24 | Bushmills | Asche: su |
| 13:50.57 | Asche | im with the livecd |
| 13:51.00 | Asche | if i do su |
| 13:51.11 | Asche | it said me that the password is incorrect |
| 13:51.12 | Asche | :S |
| 13:51.17 | Bushmills | sudo su |
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| 13:51.32 | cyzie | hello can anyone recommend a good xml editor ? |
| 13:51.38 | petemc | vim! |
| 13:51.38 | Asche | im with the livecd of damn small linux |
| 13:51.54 | garo | vim, idd |
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| 13:52.11 | Bushmills | i should rephrase.. "become root, however your live cd allows" |
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| 13:54.01 | wardyx | anyone here uses libnss-pgsql for user authentication? |
| 13:54.02 | garo | Which package contains 'dig' ? (or a better dnsclient) |
| 13:54.03 | ma3x | do I need the empty directory /initrd? |
| 13:54.12 | tarzeau | garo: dig. host is nicer imho |
| 13:54.17 | tarzeau | ma3x: don't think so |
| 13:54.23 | ma3x | ko |
| 13:54.33 | stew | garo: /msg dpkg search |
| 13:54.38 | garo | But can i make all queries with 'host' ? |
| 13:55.13 | Bushmills | garo, dnsutils |
| 13:55.25 | stew | garo: what is a query you don't know how to make with 'host'? |
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| 13:55.42 | wols | ma3x: did you run oldconfig fully thorugh? |
| 13:56.00 | garo | don't know, i never used host |
| 13:56.06 | ma3x | wols, yeah I tried your version linux-2.6.20.6 |
| 13:56.15 | ma3x | wols, had my usb mouse not working :p |
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| 13:56.41 | wols | and what has a wifi adapter to do with a mouse? |
| 13:56.42 | ma3x | and still receiving those eth0: Transmit error, Tx status 042005e2. |
| 13:56.49 | wols | and my headless server doesn't need a mouse, true |
| 13:56.59 | ma3x | wols, that was because I tried your config with the newest version of kernel |
| 13:57.01 | wols | ah, so still the error |
| 13:57.27 | wols | btw: your ocnfig.h error is due to missing headers |
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| 13:57.44 | wardyx | anyone here uses libnss-pgsql for user authentication? |
| 13:57.47 | njoyce | how is it possible to have two machines both using the same apt sources, both up-to-date, nothing to upgrade and have two different versions of the same package (specifically libapache2-mod-php5)? |
| 13:58.27 | cydork | njoyce: check apt-cache policy libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 13:58.27 | stew | ma3x: why are you comiling a kernel at all? |
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| 13:58.51 | Kobaz | stew: some people prefer to roll their own |
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| 13:58.56 | stew | Kobaz: i know |
| 13:59.06 | Kobaz | like me |
| 13:59.08 | Kobaz | heh |
| 13:59.13 | njoyce | cydork: okay how do I change the policy? |
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| 13:59.26 | stew | njoyce: sometimes mirrors get out of sync, but it shouldn't be common |
| 13:59.34 | cydork | njoyce: you don't. what did it say? |
| 13:59.37 | ma3x | stew, I don't know either - really no need to |
| 13:59.43 | stew | ma3x: then don't bother |
| 13:59.53 | ma3x | stew, I just decided to try it out to see if sis900 got fixed in the new version |
| 14:00.07 | njoyce | cydork: lists two versions, *** against the installed version. I need the other ... |
| 14:00.08 | stew | ma3x: why not use the new version that debian has compiled for you? |
| 14:00.09 | xand | root____1: you can't speak in here |
| 14:00.28 | ma3x | stew, I use linux-image-2.6.18-4-amd64 |
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| 14:00.36 | stew | ma3x: ok |
| 14:00.41 | tarzeau | Bushmills: nvidia is great |
| 14:00.47 | wols | ma3x: you could also try a sid kernel |
| 14:00.56 | stew | ma3x: backports.org has 2.6.20 |
| 14:00.58 | ma3x | wols, without upgrading to sid? |
| 14:01.05 | stew | ma3x: yes, use backports.org |
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| 14:01.10 | tarzeau | stew: there are very well reasons to compile a kernel |
| 14:01.16 | stew | tarzeau: i know |
| 14:01.24 | stew | tarzeau: ma3x doesn't have any |
| 14:01.29 | Kobaz | stew: i never trust any distros to compile a kernel that will be a perfect match for my box |
| 14:01.37 | cydork | njoyce: that didn't make much sence. but it shows from where it installed the packages too. |
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| 14:01.40 | stew | Kobaz: no, that would be impossible |
| 14:01.47 | ma3x | stew, and if I update the sources.list with sid main, and then install the sid version, that would break things? |
| 14:02.03 | tarzeau | ma3x: if you don't stay on sid, definitely |
| 14:02.05 | ma3x | tarzeau, of what reasons do you compile kernel? |
| 14:02.07 | Obeah | Hi room... I just ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and on booting up I'm getting INIT: Id "c7" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes. Google hasn't been any help. What happened and what to do? |
| 14:02.09 | stew | ma3x: what version of debian are you running? |
| 14:02.11 | tarzeau | ma3x: hardware support |
| 14:02.12 | ma3x | steve, etch |
| 14:02.15 | ma3x | stew ^ |
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| 14:02.35 | tarzeau | !room |
| 14:02.36 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 14:02.40 | stew | ma3x: its a bad idea to use a pacakge compiled for sid when you are running stable *especially* when there is a version compiled for etch available |
| 14:02.42 | Bushmills | tarzeau: me not happy. they dropped support for my older nvidia chip |
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| 14:02.45 | ma3x | tarzeau, alright alright maybe you install 100 of servers a day, but I'm just a home user - 1 laptop that's all |
| 14:02.54 | tarzeau | Obeah: did you mess with inittab? |
| 14:03.00 | tarzeau | Bushmills: who, they? |
| 14:03.05 | njoyce | cydork: http://pastebin.ca/507314 |
| 14:03.06 | Bushmills | tarzeau: nvidia |
| 14:03.14 | Kobaz | ma3x: let me know if the sis900 is fixed in the latest |
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| 14:03.15 | tarzeau | ma3x: ahm, only workstations |
| 14:03.18 | Obeah | No just trying to get resolution changed |
| 14:03.33 | tarzeau | Bushmills: so the binary drivers of them? |
| 14:03.44 | ma3x | stew, so there is a sid version for etch on backports.org? |
| 14:03.50 | stew | ma3x: yes |
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| 14:03.57 | Kobaz | ma3x: it's not just you apparently.... May 16 15:45:55 kyle kernel: eth0: Transmit error, Tx status 060000a7. |
| 14:03.58 | hon` | gnu autoproject generates *.spec but not the debian directory. *annoyed*. is there a fix? |
| 14:04.00 | ma3x | Kobaz, yeah let me do the work for you! :p |
| 14:04.04 | Kobaz | ma3x: hehe |
| 14:04.08 | ma3x | Kobaz, having trouble with it too? |
| 14:04.09 | tarzeau | hon`: no |
| 14:04.11 | Bushmills | tarzeau: and the build of their "legacy" drivers fails |
| 14:04.19 | tarzeau | hon`: debian dirs should be hand crafted |
| 14:04.29 | ma3x | Kobaz, yeah it's flooding it, the more traffic, the more errors |
| 14:04.30 | Kobaz | ma3x: i'm running 2.6.19.2 i haven't tried anything newer yet |
| 14:04.30 | Obeah | tarzeau: nope... just ran reconfig to change driver & resolution |
| 14:04.33 | Kobaz | ma3x: yeah |
| 14:04.40 | ma3x | dmesg is invented for other things, not for sis900 only |
| 14:04.45 | Kobaz | ma3x: my tx/rx slows down to like 10k/sec after a while |
| 14:05.15 | hon` | sure, but it could at least generate the files (changelog, rules, control, ...) |
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| 14:05.32 | ma3x | stew, is that the basic purpose of backports.org - running sid packages on stable distribution? |
| 14:05.35 | stew | hon`: dh_make will do that for you, read the new maintainer guide: /msg dpkg mg |
| 14:05.40 | stew | ma3x: yes |
| 14:05.47 | stew | ma3x: /msg dpkg backports ; /msg dpkg bpo |
| 14:05.48 | tarzeau | ma3x: no, testing packages |
| 14:05.53 | ma3x | Kobaz, what's your bandwidth? |
| 14:05.56 | tarzeau | ma3x: they usually want backports from testing, not sid |
| 14:05.56 | stew | tarzeau: both |
| 14:05.59 | ma3x | maybe i can give you some tips |
| 14:06.11 | tarzeau | stew: not really, they really don't like backports from sid |
| 14:06.22 | stew | tarzeau: they have both |
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| 14:06.22 | Kobaz | ma3x: crappy t1 to the net here in the office, but local traffic slows to 10k/sec with all the transmit errors |
| 14:06.22 | ma3x | ok tarzeau |
| 14:06.29 | tarzeau | stew: yes but they don't want sid backports |
| 14:06.36 | hon` | stew: gnu autoproject is not redhat specific, right? dh_* are debian specific. do you see my point? |
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| 14:06.41 | tarzeau | stew: if you make them, you'll get your account removed without further discussion |
| 14:06.42 | stew | hon`: no |
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| 14:06.53 | ma3x | Kobaz, mii-tool -F 10baseT-HD eth0 |
| 14:07.01 | tarzeau | stew: so no, having sid backports is not an option, telling they have it is wrong too |
| 14:07.02 | ma3x | that will stabilize it a little bit! |
| 14:07.12 | petemc | ethtool > mii-tool |
| 14:07.14 | stew | tarzeau: last i looked they had more sid packages than lenny packages for etch |
| 14:07.15 | cydork | njoyce: why do you have unstable? |
| 14:07.20 | tarzeau | stew: and if you do it anyways they will be rejected and your account removed |
| 14:07.41 | Kobaz | ma3x: we do have a 100mbit network, hmm, making it 10mbit fixed the transmit errorS? |
| 14:07.43 | tarzeau | stew: i don't believe you, unless you prove it using some stats and scripts to generate the stats |
| 14:07.49 | njoyce | cydork: devel purposes |
| 14:08.10 | hon` | having debian/ directory in gnu autoproject makes it more cannonical. Why do you need *.spec when you are on debian? |
| 14:08.17 | ma3x | stew, while I have deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free , should I remove the stable lines? |
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| 14:08.34 | Kobaz | petemc: oooo ethtool is sexy |
| 14:08.40 | ma3x | Kobaz, well if you need the local network then it might not be such a good idea |
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| 14:08.54 | ma3x | Kobaz, but if you use it for the internet you will get %90 success |
| 14:08.55 | hunterones | what should i install to let my server run php that reads and writes on XML? |
| 14:08.55 | azeem | hon`: gnu autoproject shouldn't mess with debian/ |
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| 14:09.26 | ma3x | Kobaz, unlike all other modes - you get only %70 efficiency. try it out! |
| 14:09.31 | tarzeau | hon`: you don't need *.spec file when you are on debian, unless you want to build rpms on debian |
| 14:09.39 | stew | tarzeau: last i looked there wasn't much more than sid kenrels there, there is probably more there now. which is the only package we're really concerned with here with ma3x, 2.6.20 which is from sid |
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| 14:09.52 | cydork | njoyce: and they why do you still have etch repos? did you upgrade properly? |
| 14:10.23 | ma3x | W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org etch-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C |
| 14:10.24 | ma3x | how do I solve that |
| 14:10.32 | azeem | install their gpg key with apt-key |
| 14:10.57 | Kobaz | ma3x: interesting |
| 14:11.05 | ma3x | Kobaz, did you try it out? |
| 14:11.08 | hon` | tarzeau: my point is that *.specs get generated no matter you are on debian or not. that makes it look like you, as a developer, have to provide them. |
| 14:11.22 | tarzeau | hon`: no developer has to provide spec files |
| 14:11.25 | Kobaz | yeah about to run some tests |
| 14:11.57 | hon` | I know this. I mean it *looks* like that way, if you are a new dev. |
| 14:11.58 | ma3x | azeem, how? |
| 14:11.59 | cydork | ma3x: read the faq on the site? |
| 14:12.07 | ma3x | cydork, ok |
| 14:12.28 | Kobaz | at 100mbit, sending full speed, 15k/sec |
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| 14:12.43 | spungles | Kobaz: set your duplex to 100BaseTX FD |
| 14:12.50 | Kobaz | it's on FD |
| 14:13.00 | ma3x | Kobaz, so that's something more than 10k/sec huh? |
| 14:13.01 | spungles | then your switch is set to autoneg |
| 14:13.02 | Kobaz | setting 10baset HD 160k/sec |
| 14:13.03 | Kobaz | nice |
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| 14:13.16 | spungles | hardwire your switch to 100FD or use auto neg |
| 14:13.18 | njoyce | cydork: not sure, how do I check |
| 14:13.20 | ma3x | Kobaz, you happy now? |
| 14:13.20 | hon` | don't you agree that having a skeleton debian/ dir in a [or the] cannonical project skeleton is better promo? |
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| 14:13.30 | Kobaz | ma3x: hehe yeah, no more transmit errors |
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| 14:13.44 | ma3x | Kobaz, not sure about the transmit errors, you might get them again |
| 14:13.53 | Kobaz | none for now, but i get more speed |
| 14:13.57 | ma3x | Kobaz, but bandwidth runs hell yeah better! |
| 14:14.00 | Kobaz | yeah |
| 14:14.01 | Kobaz | weird |
| 14:14.07 | hon` | or there is absolutely no point in that? |
| 14:14.14 | ma3x | I've tried all other modes, this one is the best |
| 14:14.23 | spungles | *sigh* |
| 14:14.24 | Kobaz | stupid crappy built in ethernet |
| 14:14.28 | spungles | check your switch |
| 14:14.42 | spungles | if you hard wire the one side and the switch is sset to autoneg, then it'll break |
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| 14:14.43 | ma3x | brb let's see sis900 with the sid kernel |
| 14:14.52 | spungles | either you hardwire both, or none. |
| 14:15.12 | Kobaz | spungles: yeah, but i dont manage the switch |
| 14:15.21 | spungles | then it's likely set to autoneg |
| 14:15.31 | Kobaz | probably |
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| 14:15.41 | spungles | so set yourself to auto neg and see what you get |
| 14:15.47 | Kobaz | spungles: 100mbit FD |
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| 14:15.55 | stew | tarzeau: i'm going through the list by hand, and of the first 12 source packages i looked at 9 were the same in sid and lenny, 2 were sid, 1 was lenny |
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| 14:16.15 | spungles | Kobaz: so that's right..? |
| 14:16.33 | Kobaz | spungles: oh yeah it's right, but i get transmit errors, and bandwidth drops to 7-15k/sec |
| 14:16.53 | Kobaz | spungles: every other box on this lan is running full 100 bas e FD and they are happy |
| 14:16.57 | Kobaz | it's just this network card |
| 14:17.01 | Kobaz | well, the drivers |
| 14:17.13 | spungles | it's probably your switch |
| 14:17.20 | Kobaz | no it's the drivers |
| 14:17.21 | spungles | maybe the previous owner of the port was a tard |
| 14:17.33 | Kobaz | ma3x has the same problem |
| 14:17.37 | Kobaz | same card |
| 14:17.53 | spungles | go spend L3 and pick up another card then :) |
| 14:18.02 | Kobaz | yeah i know |
| 14:18.16 | Kobaz | eth0: Transmit error, Tx status 060005ea. |
| 14:18.16 | Kobaz | eth0: Transmit error, Tx status 0600008f. |
| 14:18.28 | Kobaz | i have a dozen 3coms and netgears and dlinks sitting at home in a drawer |
| 14:18.30 | Kobaz | i can bring one in |
| 14:18.39 | Begasus | how can I burn video dvd's in Debian? or with what application? |
| 14:18.39 | wols | spungles: notebooks. built in NIC :( |
| 14:18.54 | Kobaz | this is my desktop i brought in from home, it's got built in nic |
| 14:19.00 | wols | at least with ma3x |
| 14:19.06 | Kobaz | ah, poor guy |
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| 14:19.28 | Kobaz | Begasus: k3b |
| 14:19.29 | Begasus | buy a cheap realtek and you're setled ;) |
| 14:19.32 | spungles | sucks to be him |
| 14:19.36 | Begasus | thnx Kobaz |
| 14:19.42 | Kobaz | Begasus: or just use one of the dozen cards i have home |
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| 14:19.48 | Begasus | ;) |
| 14:19.49 | Bushmills | Begasus: vcdtools - Creates Video CD (VCD) filesystem images |
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| 14:20.31 | Begasus | I have the dvd in a 'backup' on hd already Bushmills |
| 14:20.36 | ma3x | nope, same errors with the sid kernel |
| 14:20.45 | Begasus | in the audio/video folders |
| 14:20.52 | grundal | is debian dying? |
| 14:21.04 | Begasus | just want to see if I can burn them in Debian like in windows with nero |
| 14:21.44 | grundal | ubuntu is leaving debian behind in a pall of dust. |
| 14:21.58 | ma3x | grundal, wtf are you talking about!? you stupid? |
| 14:22.01 | ma3x | debian's the core |
| 14:22.06 | petemc | ma3x: dont feed it |
| 14:22.07 | ma3x | ubuntu's a freakin windows |
| 14:22.12 | ma3x | petemc, alright |
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| 14:22.29 | yos87 | Hi |
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| 14:22.47 | grundal | ma3x: wtf, first u say debian's the core of ubuntu and then you say it is windows. stupid fool. |
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| 14:23.21 | wols | grundal: stop this trolling please |
| 14:23.33 | yos87 | i'm trying to install the vmware, it ask me what is the locaion of the dicectory of the C header files that match your running kernel? I didn't uderstand, what does it mean, and how to know my C header? |
| 14:23.35 | ma3x | grundal, did you watch lord of the rings? |
| 14:23.41 | wols | !vmware |
| 14:23.41 | dpkg | i heard vmware is Not Our Problem. If it was in debian, it would be, but since it ain't, it ain't. Ask the vendor for support. |
| 14:23.55 | grundal | wols: you dumbass, this is not a troll. this is a very important issue. |
| 14:23.58 | wols | yos87: kernel headers. kernel is written in C, therefore C headers |
| 14:24.08 | wols | !ops grundal is trolling |
| 14:24.08 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: wols complains about: grundal is trolling |
| 14:24.24 | wols | grundal: next time, don't overdo it |
| 14:24.29 | mkl1525 | Hi, (debian etch) just tried to remote login into a fresh installed etch server. Using root password login isn't possible from keyboard or putty - but using ssh from another server (opensuse) works with root + pass. Any hints what the reason could be? |
| 14:24.29 | grundal | wols: the world does not need both. one will grow at the expense of the other. |
| 14:24.35 | yos87 | wols: so what I answer ? |
| 14:24.42 | azeem | grundal: discussing ubuntu is off-topic here, please respect this |
| 14:24.51 | wols | !tell yos87 about vmware |
| 14:24.55 | grundal | at the moment, ubuntu is growing much faster the debian. |
| 14:25.07 | azeem | grundal: discussing ubuntu is off-topic here, please respect this |
| 14:25.08 | schme | Hahaha. |
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| 14:25.13 | ma3x | grundal, you look like gandalf - http://www.favreau.info/misc/photoshops/gandalf-taliban.php |
| 14:25.15 | grundal | and debian is supposed to have a good start. |
| 14:25.21 | wols | ma3x: stop it |
| 14:25.28 | schme | That was the most sad piece of logic I have seen. :) |
| 14:25.29 | ma3x | ok |
| 14:25.32 | wols | ma3x: feeding him encourages him |
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| 14:26.01 | yos87 | dpkg, I understand that it's not your problem, but someone might know about it ! |
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| 14:26.27 | wols | yos87: not our problem = codespeak for it's OT. and you know about OT in #debian, right? |
| 14:26.28 | schme | yos87: It is not a Debian issue. |
| 14:26.42 | grundal | with fools like those here, debian is a sure loser. |
| 14:26.54 | abrotman | grundal: are you done? |
| 14:26.55 | azeem | grundal: do you have a Debian question? |
| 14:26.57 | yos87 | schme: I know , I know , sorry |
| 14:27.02 | Bushmills | /ignore grundal |
| 14:27.07 | Bushmills | oh |
| 14:27.10 | yos87 | wols: I don't know about OT |
| 14:27.14 | Bushmills | strange irc client |
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| 14:27.26 | Begasus | no space in front Bushmills ;) |
| 14:27.35 | Bushmills | Begasus: there was none |
| 14:27.39 | Bushmills | this was pidgin |
| 14:27.46 | Ronin | another day another troll i see |
| 14:27.50 | Begasus | eeps |
| 14:28.04 | wols | Ronin: aren't you glad it's not sunday? :) |
| 14:28.04 | grundal | i know, kickban me. what else can be done? am i done, debian will be done soon, with fools like you supporting it. |
| 14:28.10 | Begasus | ps ... the tip with gtkpod worked earlier ... |
| 14:28.13 | Ronin | wols: ya no kidding |
| 14:28.22 | abrotman | grundal: what is your OS of choice ? |
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| 14:28.28 | abrotman | gah .. |
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| 14:28.32 | Ronin | grundal: your so correct,we are loosers etc. |
| 14:28.37 | abrotman | Ronin: you're |
| 14:28.39 | abrotman | losers |
| 14:28.41 | abrotman | :) |
| 14:28.42 | Ronin | ya that too |
| 14:28.49 | Ronin | damn fingers |
| 14:29.20 | chemaja | yea grundal what OS do you run |
| 14:29.26 | abrotman | oh .. it's the .sg kid again |
| 14:29.35 | grundal | abrotman: i am using and have been doing so for years. my loyalty to debian is deeper than all of you put together. that is why i feel sore when i see ubuntu coming fr behind to eclipse debian. get it? |
| 14:29.53 | abrotman | just wait for the MFSOB .. it'll come eventually |
| 14:30.00 | schme | This is what I will do. I will make a new distro based on debian. And the day it goes from one user to two users I will yell about how my 100% weekly increase in # of users makes it better than the rest. |
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| 14:30.11 | wols | abrotman: do you think it's only one .sg who constantly trolls debian? |
| 14:30.23 | Ronin | grundal: so what if it "passes" debian, we'll go on surviving nicely |
| 14:30.29 | abrotman | wols: do you really want me to comment ? |
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| 14:30.33 | chemaja | grundal, how is Ubuntu coming from behind? That the latest release couldn't even manage to install itself on my P3, it virtually froze, for over an hour with no prompts or messages in logs |
| 14:30.36 | wols | schme: by now, ubuntu will probably have more users than debian proper |
| 14:30.51 | schme | wols: Neat. then again.. who cares? :) |
| 14:30.53 | timgoh0 | Hello wols. |
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| 14:31.11 | timgoh0 | Ronin: Who, me? |
| 14:31.12 | grundal | you people are sleeping. Dell is going to pre-install ubuntu. |
| 14:31.18 | abrotman | wols: see .. same idiot |
| 14:31.21 | Ronin | no timgoh0 not you |
| 14:31.28 | schme | What heck.. gaim changed name to pidgin? |
| 14:31.28 | azeem | chemaja: please stop discussing Ubuntu in here |
| 14:31.31 | timgoh0 | Ronin: But I'm just an innocent pitiful young man. |
| 14:31.37 | wols | not me. but I pray that debian can retain enough users and devs to stay as good as it is now forever. but the threat certainly won't come from ubuntu |
| 14:31.46 | chemaja | grundal, you know, it's probably a "better choice" than Debian -- Ubuntu can themselves provide commercial backing to Dell, whereas Debian can't. |
| 14:31.51 | chemaja | not directly. |
| 14:31.59 | ma3x | grundal, so what if dell installs ubuntu? microsoft installs windows :p |
| 14:32.01 | abrotman | grundal: haven't you been kickbanned from this channel enough for drudging up the same conversation over and over ? |
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| 14:32.06 | wols | timgoh0: now what am i gonna do with that troll here? can't you take care of your own trash? |
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| 14:32.14 | schme | wols: From where do you think that threat will come? |
| 14:32.26 | azeem | chemaja: please stop discussing Ubuntu in here |
| 14:32.27 | timgoh0 | wols: And if you expose it to sunlight, you get an instant hatrack! |
| 14:32.43 | grundal | abrotman: i am ready to be treated worst than a kickban if i can wake you sleepy lot up. |
| 14:32.46 | azeem | ma3s: please stop discussing Ubuntu in here |
| 14:32.48 | azeem | ma3x* |
| 14:32.48 | chemaja | azeem, relax, i'm only rebutting his arguments. |
| 14:32.52 | wols | either internal or something not seen right now |
| 14:32.56 | abrotman | azeem: grundal is a repeat troll |
| 14:33.03 | azeem | chemaja: so? You're still off topic |
| 14:33.13 | azeem | abrotman: everybody seems to like him |
| 14:33.17 | abrotman | heh |
| 14:33.22 | grundal | the world does not need both. one will grow at the expense of the other. ubuntu or debian, not both. |
| 14:33.22 | azeem | otherwise they wouldn't be talking to him |
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| 14:33.28 | wols | abrotman: if he constantly comes in here: can we keep him, pretty please? |
| 14:33.32 | chemaja | azeem, what's wrong with exposing the truth to ignorant fools ;-) |
| 14:33.39 | azeem | grundal: please stop discussing Ubuntu in here, there's #debian-offtopic for it |
| 14:33.39 | wols | I mean look at him, so ugly as he is: who's gonna take him? |
| 14:33.40 | abrotman | wols: why not .. we let others return ... |
| 14:33.45 | chemaja | i'm a little Debian cheerleader |
| 14:33.50 | wols | yes. me for example :) |
| 14:33.51 | azeem | chemaja: it's not wrong, just do it elsewhere |
| 14:33.53 | tarzeau | chemaja: photo? |
| 14:33.53 | chemaja | meh |
| 14:33.59 | chemaja | tarzeau, heh |
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| 14:34.14 | grundal | azeem: i am talking about he survival of debian and ubuntu comes in becos it is a threat. |
| 14:34.21 | ivalladt | genisoimage in my system is creating iso images that end in a CD readable on Linux but not on Windows or on a hardware DVD player, creating the image with mkisofs on Windows and recording it with wodim on Debian creates correct CDs, any ideas? |
| 14:34.27 | azeem | grundal: and I'm telling you to stop. Last warning. |
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| 14:34.55 | chemaja | azeem, forgive me Father, for I have apt-pinned |
| 14:34.56 | Ronin | man sometimes i think we need a little efnet attitude in here :) |
| 14:34.57 | pngwn | !azeem++ |
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| 14:35.36 | grundal | azeem: i know, i know, kickban me. that will be good for ubuntu. look at the chat list of ubuntu. it is much longer than debian's. |
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| 14:35.51 | grundal | now, give the kick. i am all ready for it. |
| 14:35.52 | chemaja | we need a #debian-advocacy |
| 14:35.57 | jethro | grundal: number != quality |
| 14:35.58 | tarzeau | Ronin: does efnet attitude mean, kick people writing "u*u" ? |
| 14:36.08 | JosefAssad | this kind of community member is why I came back to Debian |
| 14:36.14 | tarzeau | Ronin: i would fully agree to that |
| 14:36.16 | chemaja | so i can let loose on the hounds of hell without fear of smite from potential Channel GOds |
| 14:36.19 | wols | tarzeau: I'm all for kicking people you use "u". how about u? |
| 14:36.20 | pngwn | tarzeau, more like follow the rules |
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| 14:36.24 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@cm96.omega149.maxonline.com.sg] by azeem |
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| 14:36.28 | chemaja | JosefAssad, are you referring to me |
| 14:36.30 | Ronin | tarzeau: more often then not, also get much less warnings etc to cease |
| 14:36.33 | wols | timgoh0: we like to play with him |
| 14:36.34 | tarzeau | pngwn: that's what i meant, yes |
| 14:36.35 | azeem | grundal: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being off-topic |
| 14:36.35 | timgoh0 | azeem: HEY! |
| 14:36.36 | JosefAssad | chemaja: no, to the troll |
| 14:36.38 | chemaja | hahah wols so true |
| 14:36.39 | chemaja | oh |
| 14:36.40 | chemaja | damn |
| 14:36.42 | tarzeau | Ronin: exactly, don't discuss, do :) |
| 14:36.45 | timgoh0 | azeem: You have no idea how close that was to mine. |
| 14:36.48 | azeem | grundal: please revise your posting |
| 14:37.45 | timgoh0 | azeem: I'm a couple of cmts-es away. |
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| 14:38.00 | chemaja | grundal, for what it's worth, this channel does not officially represent Debian. |
| 14:38.09 | azeem | chemaja: it does. |
| 14:38.17 | chemaja | azeem, I thought the official channel moved to OFTC |
| 14:38.21 | azeem | as far as its operators are concerned |
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| 14:38.27 | wols | chemaja: there is no official channel |
| 14:38.39 | azeem | chemaja: the DNS alias of irc.debian.org changed |
| 14:38.39 | chemaja | wols, i'm sure i read about a migration of irc.debian.org to OFTC |
| 14:38.44 | chemaja | i'm sure i'm over in the channel right now |
| 14:38.54 | azeem | that doesn't mean this channel is more or less official than the on OFTC |
| 14:38.54 | chemaja | azeem, that makes it pretty damn official don't you think? |
| 14:39.00 | JosefAssad | bloody hell, something keeps on re-adding auto eth1 and eth2 to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:39.05 | azeem | and anyway, this is off-topic as well |
| 14:39.07 | wols | chemaja: doesn't matter. there is no official channel of debian. straight from dondelelcaro |
| 14:39.12 | chemaja | omg how is it off topic |
| 14:39.12 | wols | neither here nor OFTC |
| 14:39.31 | wols | JosefAssad: running gnome or kde? |
| 14:39.33 | azeem | chemaja: this channel is primarily for end-user support with Debian |
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| 14:39.42 | JosefAssad | wols: fluxbox |
| 14:39.47 | azeem | everything else is off-topic, to a first order approximation |
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| 14:39.51 | wols | ok, then it's odd |
| 14:39.54 | JosefAssad | wols: But yeah, I can see how that might be a suspicion |
| 14:39.57 | azeem | of course, a certain degree of off-topicness is fine |
| 14:40.06 | chemaja | azeem, where in http://wiki.debian.org/PoundDebianGuidelines does it rule against my words |
| 14:40.09 | wols | azeem: just follow what Ronin said |
| 14:40.12 | JosefAssad | wols: I think network-manager is mucking about, probably |
| 14:40.25 | chemaja | oh wait |
| 14:40.27 | wols | JosefAssad: for me, that is gnome software :) |
| 14:40.29 | tarzeau | wols: gnome and kde can write into /etc ? |
| 14:40.29 | chemaja | this isn't the official channel |
| 14:40.35 | chemaja | therefor those words don't count :) |
| 14:40.36 | chemaja | :P |
| 14:41.00 | JosefAssad | wols: Yeah, unfortunately I have found no other decent pointy clicky tool for roaming |
| 14:41.20 | JosefAssad | tarzeau: if an app runs as root, yeah. network-admin runs as root heree |
| 14:41.34 | ivalladt | genisoimage in my system is creating iso images that end in a CD readable on Linux but not on Windows or on a hardware DVD player, creating the image with mkisofs on Windows and recording it with wodim on Debian creates correct CDs, any ideas? |
| 14:41.37 | tarzeau | JosefAssad: but that's not normal, a normal use can't do that. |
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| 14:42.13 | JosefAssad | tarzeau: network-adminasksme for the root password before running, FWIW |
| 14:42.30 | tarzeau | JosefAssad: just don't give it the password and it won't mess up your interfaces file? |
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| 14:42.45 | tarzeau | JosefAssad: you ask why it kills your file. it does so because you tell it to |
| 14:42.48 | _diz | Hi |
| 14:42.50 | chemaja | azeem, also see http://www.debian.org/support#irc -- it refers to OFTC as a "dedicated channel", and refers to Freenode as "one of the more prominent ones" |
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| 14:43.02 | JosefAssad | tarzeau: You know, I don't give it the password to amuse myself :) I give it the password so I can connect to $RANDOM_ACCESS_POINT |
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| 14:43.06 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@c220-237-34-27.brasd1.vic.optusnet.com.au] by dondelelcaro |
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| 14:43.17 | dondelelcaro | chemaja: it's totally off topic here, as you have been told; please take it elsewhere. |
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| 14:43.31 | tarzeau | JosefAssad: maybe it has some parameter to not do that, checked the docs? otherwise use BTS? |
| 14:43.34 | mortal5 | I have a list of files, how can I get a file's size in linux? |
| 14:43.43 | JosefAssad | tarzeau: BTS? |
| 14:43.44 | spheard | can I just confirm that when I compile make can only use one thread. even when in an smp environment. you have to tell make to use two threads. |
| 14:43.46 | dondelelcaro | mortal5: stat will tell you, as will ls -l |
| 14:43.47 | tarzeau | !BTS |
| 14:43.48 | dpkg | it has been said that bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 14:43.52 | JosefAssad | oh |
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| 14:44.08 | JosefAssad | tarzeau: Yes, I will RTFM and STFW. Thanks |
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| 14:44.20 | gui_ | hi |
| 14:44.26 | tarzeau | JosefAssad: i just don't use the software you use, so i really have no idea about it |
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| 14:44.51 | tarzeau | JosefAssad: a quick search through the manpage of it should be enough, maybe /usr/share/doc/PACKAGE too |
| 14:44.52 | JosefAssad | tarzeau: I understand. Your effort is still appreciated |
| 14:44.53 | mortal5 | dondelelcaro: I need something that just returns file size, perhaps stat has a command line option |
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| 14:45.04 | dondelelcaro | mortal5: yes, it does; man stat; and read about the -c option |
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| 14:45.20 | mortal5 | ty |
| 14:45.37 | dondelelcaro | mortal5: np |
| 14:45.49 | gui_ | I have a mouse sync problem when I use my harddrive it becomes crazy, and receive some error msg in kernel, I try debian, ubuntu64 and gentoo with the same case ! the error message is : |
| 14:45.51 | gui_ | [ 979.152364] psmouse.c: bad data from KBC - timeout bad parity |
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| 14:45.53 | danny-- | hey, I've been googling for a while for this, but can't seem to find any working instructions.. trying to get a 2.4.x kernel for debian etch so I could install openmosix as openmosix for 2.6.x series is still in alpha, any ideas on how to achieve this? |
| 14:45.58 | gui_ | [ 985.288424] psmouse.c: Wheel Mouse at isa0060/serio1/input0 lost synchronization, throwing 3 bytes away. |
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| 14:46.11 | gui_ | is there any way to exit this hell ? |
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| 14:46.22 | dondelelcaro | danny--: 2.4 isn't supported on etch any longer; you're really better off using the openmosix alpha. |
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| 14:46.30 | dondelelcaro | (well, most likely better off) |
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| 14:46.52 | haxality | hi, I'm having a very odd and not really world-ending problem, but it's still rather frustrating. |
| 14:46.53 | danny-- | hmm, ok |
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| 14:47.10 | grundal | azeem: fuck you, you MFSOB. |
| 14:47.14 | haxality | whenever I launch iceweasel is comes up as unfocused, so I have to click the titlebar to actually start typing an address |
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| 14:47.17 | grundal | azeem: fyi. |
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| 14:47.18 | abrotman | see .. i told you! |
| 14:47.23 | _diz | out of interest |
| 14:47.37 | mortal5 | I'm trying to write a simple shell script that fills a mp3 device with a random mp3s |
| 14:47.45 | dondelelcaro | danny--: well, I kind of lie a little; you can get 2.4 to work, but you'll have to compile it yourself (using make-kpkg) and you can't use udev. |
| 14:47.45 | abrotman | Ronin: he changes nicks and hostmasks |
| 14:47.55 | rking | mortal5: can it use perl? |
| 14:48.03 | Ronin | bah, trolls got to love em |
| 14:48.06 | tarzeau | mortal5: fun |
| 14:48.09 | dondelelcaro | danny--: some other packages may also not work, but you'll figure that out as you go |
| 14:48.09 | timgoh0 | Please don't ban *.maxonline.com.sg |
| 14:48.11 | timgoh0 | Please? |
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| 14:48.15 | tarzeau | rking: he said shell script, not perl script :) |
| 14:48.17 | dondelelcaro | timgoh0: if we do, we'll give you a +e |
| 14:48.19 | danny-- | dondelelcaro: well, I guess I'll give the alpha a try and if it's not working properly enough, I'll try that 2.4.x manually |
| 14:48.23 | Ronin | tarzeau: naw, we'll do all of .sg ;) |
| 14:48.27 | abrotman | timgoh0: and you have a mask |
| 14:48.28 | danny-- | dondelelcaro: anyways, thanks |
| 14:48.34 | mortal5 | yeah, but ideally i'd like something a bit more elegant, maybe python |
| 14:48.46 | rking | tarzeau: yes, well obviously it can use some external programs, I don't think you could do that with builtin shell commands |
| 14:48.51 | mortal5 | more likely java, since that's my forte |
| 14:49.05 | timgoh0 | dondelelcaro: I've got a cloak, but there are -others-. I assure you, there exist some singaporeans that aren't that abusive. |
| 14:49.23 | abrotman | proof! |
| 14:49.32 | mortal5 | ...I think I'll write it in java, and use java's interal libs, to make it cross platform |
| 14:49.52 | mortal5 | that way your ipod shuffle will work superbly in linux :) |
| 14:50.13 | mortal5 | or mac or windows, all w/o itunes :) |
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| 14:50.41 | dondelelcaro | timgoh0: oh, sure; wide bans really are our last resort |
| 14:50.57 | danny-- | gah, well, seems like I have to manually do everything for the 2.6.x series kernel too, as openmosix seems to only support 2.6.17 atm and I can't find even it's sources with apt |
| 14:51.10 | dx_ | how can I configure my sources.list in debian 4.0? apt-setup binary isn't available |
| 14:51.17 | timgoh0 | dondelelcaro: So you don't subscribe to the "Nuke it from orbit" policy. \o/ |
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| 14:51.41 | tarzeau | dx_: edit it with your favourite editor? |
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| 14:51.54 | dondelelcaro | timgoh0: well, if I could reliably nuke from orbit, I'm all for pressing the red button; the problem, as always, is colateral dammage. ;-) |
| 14:51.59 | haxality | anyone know why iceweasel would decide it's not going to launch in focus? |
| 14:52.09 | dondelelcaro | haxality: that's really a function of your window manager |
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| 14:52.51 | dondelelcaro | danny--: yeah, that kind of makes you wonder if you really want to be using openmosix... |
| 14:52.53 | tarzeau | danny--: you use openmosix for what kind of things and on how many machines? |
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| 14:52.58 | dx_ | tarzeau, i need to install the build-essential package.. where can I find out some source list for debian 4.0? |
| 14:53.19 | tarzeau | dx_: telnet linuks.mine.nu #and carefully read the comments |
| 14:53.36 | danny-- | tarzeau: well, mainly testing and experimentation, 2x1Ghz celerons, trying to make them into a server |
| 14:53.58 | tarzeau | dx_: guess i'll put the security stuff in it too, and a note about contrib non-free and experimental |
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| 14:54.04 | danny-- | the real usage would be mainly apache+php+mysql, but would test what else openmosix can do |
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| 14:54.21 | tarzeau | danny--: we use condor (from wisconsin here), not free software though |
| 14:54.24 | dx_ | tarzeau, yup but debian 4.0 uses sid ? |
| 14:54.33 | tarzeau | dx_: no of course not |
| 14:54.42 | tarzeau | dx_: add the | sed s,sid,etch,g |
| 14:54.49 | tarzeau | dx_: but you'll be missing the security stuff |
| 14:54.58 | danny-- | well, I want free stuff, I'm not going to spend anything on this experimentation ;) |
| 14:55.19 | dx_ | tarzeau, etch i think so. security stuff already added on installation. |
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| 14:56.53 | tarzeau | dx_: the mirror i use is in switzerland, it makes sense to use one near you |
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| 14:56.53 | tarzeau | danny--: it's free as in money free |
| 14:56.54 | tarzeau | danny--: but not like everybody gets the source |
| 14:56.54 | broken | Alright so I'm going to try this once more ... to install debian. |
| 14:56.54 | dx_ | tarzeau, isn't available apt-setup anymore ? :/ |
| 14:56.54 | danny-- | oh, right |
| 14:56.54 | broken | SO I have the Debian amd64 kde iso... do I need internet? |
| 14:56.54 | loca|host | hello |
| 14:56.54 | tarzeau | dx_: nope |
| 14:56.54 | tarzeau | !apt-setup |
| 14:56.54 | dpkg | i heard apt-setup is a means of adding deb/deb-src lines to your /etc/apt/sources.list so that you can install packages from the internet. To install from a cd-rom ask me about 'apt-cdrom'. no longer available in etch and later since base-config was removed, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/01/msg00199.html. Gone from etch and sid. |
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| 14:57.28 | danny-- | well I dont need the sources, as if I wanted anything to do with it, I just want to try this out |
| 14:57.29 | dx_ | oh ok. |
| 14:57.29 | tarzeau | broken: if you want to make updates and install software not on the cd, yes |
| 14:57.29 | loca|host | i have /var as a separated partition, and now, i want to get it with the / partition, how can i do it ? |
| 14:57.29 | danny-- | but I want it to be able to work kinda like a normal smp computer, as in, run some processes on the other and some on the other computer, etc |
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| 14:57.29 | tarzeau | danny--: there exist debian packages of peter troeger, we use that here on about 150 machines, pretty nice |
| 14:57.30 | broken | tarzeau: ok well last time i tried installing Cd#1 i got fatal errors when installing grub.. |
| 14:57.33 | tarzeau | danny--: can do checkpointing and job migration |
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| 14:57.42 | broken | and the setup, before grub, failed..right at the end...it said some pacakges could not be installed. |
| 14:57.47 | tarzeau | broken: on what? raid? ide disks? scsi disks? |
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| 14:57.51 | broken | sata. |
| 14:57.55 | broken | wait.. nvm.. hda |
| 14:57.56 | timgoh0 | loca|host: You could try booting into single user mode, tarring /var, unmounting it and extracting it again |
| 14:58.06 | tarzeau | broken: very new hardware? tried it a 2nd time? |
| 14:58.19 | broken | tarzeau, i did try 3 times.. no wi tried reburning a new disk..so i'll try this again. |
| 14:58.27 | broken | I left a 50 gig partition for it. |
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| 14:58.38 | tarzeau | broken: you don't get any error msg, say in console two, in dmesg? |
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| 14:59.18 | brustus | how long will debian last? |
| 14:59.23 | broken | tarzeau: now say i have two harddrives.. one is sata (gentoo all of it) 2nd harddrive is half windows, and half will be debian.. do i need to install grub bootloader on the debian harddrive.. since I want to control it by the gentoo ? |
| 14:59.32 | broken | I think i just need to know where the kernel is. |
| 14:59.37 | brustus | i know one company is leaving a debian alliance to join ubuntu. |
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| 15:00.03 | timgoh0 | He is persistant. |
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| 15:00.10 | Ronin | indeed |
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| 15:00.17 | haxality | alright.. anyone know why gnome would decide to make one window not-focused on launch? |
| 15:00.18 | broken | I thought you didn't have admins. |
| 15:00.22 | broken | Debian was for teh people. |
| 15:00.24 | broken | lol |
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| 15:00.48 | danny-- | tarzeau: jeezh, can't download condor with links 'coz of some requirement for "REFERER" in the http headers or something |
| 15:00.51 | Ronin | broken: all irc channels have admins i suspect, just not necessarily visablly opd |
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| 15:00.52 | danny-- | ;) |
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| 15:01.13 | tarzeau | danny--: interesting, let me find you the debian link |
| 15:01.15 | broken | Ronin: lies! I was told there was none..;) thats alright. |
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| 15:01.47 | Southern | Hi :) |
| 15:01.53 | broken | hi. |
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| 15:02.00 | danny-- | tarzeau: atleast lynx seems to work |
| 15:02.17 | tarzeau | danny--: apropos browsers, tried links2 -g yet? |
| 15:02.57 | danny-- | naw, but seems like I'm getting it fine with lynx |
| 15:03.22 | broken | So let me get this straight.. lol..I can't install gnome on debian? Or if I wanted to.. I should get ubunutu..since thats gnome.. and debian based? |
| 15:03.55 | tarzeau | danny--: we're having some upgrade in our network, and my home is over nis/nfs.. so nothing works anymore except this terminal.app |
| 15:03.58 | dondelelcaro | broken: uh... of course you can install gnome on Debian. |
| 15:04.07 | tarzeau | danny--: and irc. can you google for debian condor and peter troeger? |
| 15:04.07 | broken | why is there no iso for it :( |
| 15:04.13 | abrotman | broken: there is |
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| 15:04.20 | kenton | azeem: fuck your mother, wife, sisters, nieces, cousins; all fr the front and back until they are all dripping wet. all future generations of your female relatives will be fucked by all kinds of animals in this world. you should have known better. |
| 15:04.21 | broken | ... |
| 15:04.25 | abrotman | broken: though .. you might to better to install the netinst |
| 15:04.49 | kenton | when i want to chat here, i'll chat here. anytime. |
| 15:04.56 | danny-- | tarzeau: well, I found a debian etch package from condor's homepage |
| 15:05.04 | broken | abrotman: why is that? does the installer have problems..? |
| 15:05.06 | tarzeau | danny--: cool :) |
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| 15:05.19 | tarzeau | danny--: the package is of good quality, it even uses debconf |
| 15:05.20 | abrotman | broken: the first full CD1 has gnome(or parts of it) on it .. but most that use debian use HTTP sources for the full list of packages |
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| 15:06.02 | danny-- | tarzeau: well, I'm not that much of a debian fan that I really care what it uses ;) but it's still good to know that it's actually a well done package instead of some quick&dirty hack ;) |
| 15:06.06 | abrotman | broken: and we really recommend using the netinst .. it gives you enough to get the rest of your system via http sources |
| 15:06.22 | broken | yea its a problem though.. |
| 15:06.25 | broken | i have abroadacom |
| 15:06.27 | Begasus | great ... tip for burning video dvd's worked fine with K3b :D |
| 15:06.27 | broken | wireless |
| 15:06.38 | Begasus | loving Debian more and more ;)) |
| 15:07.11 | abrotman | broken: no 10/100 ? |
| 15:07.22 | broken | not unless i move my computer |
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| 15:07.49 | valdyn | broken: the first cd is fine if the installer does not know your nic |
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| 15:08.24 | broken | Well that first cd didn't work.. so i got the debian -40r0-amd64-kde-cd1.iso |
| 15:08.57 | abrotman | broken: you have a bcm43xx ? |
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| 15:09.04 | valdyn | broken: same in green, probably wouldnt work just the same |
| 15:09.05 | broken | abrotman: sadly yes. |
| 15:09.35 | broken | i mean it works great .. after patching my kernel, cutting the firmware.. in gentoo. |
| 15:09.35 | RichiH | hrm |
| 15:09.39 | RichiH | current zsh in unstable has broken completion |
| 15:09.39 | DawnLight | does anyone know of a channel where users should be knowledgeable about servers? |
| 15:09.42 | RichiH | can anyone confirm? |
| 15:09.52 | RichiH | dondelelcaro: ? |
| 15:09.56 | valdyn | broken: that same thing you can do in debian |
| 15:09.56 | wardyx | anyone here uses libnss-pgsql for user authentication? |
| 15:09.57 | Ronin | DawnLight: more specific please, what kind of servers |
| 15:10.00 | dondelelcaro | RichiH: I don't use zsh |
| 15:10.01 | abrotman | broken: you can use the bcm43xx-fwcutter |
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| 15:10.14 | DawnLight | web hosting servers, Ronin |
| 15:10.15 | patersen | stew: fuck your mother, wife, sisters, nieces, cousins; all fr the front and back until they are all dripping wet. all future generations of your female relatives will be fucked by all kinds of animals in this world. you should have known better. |
| 15:10.17 | broken | Alright then. |
| 15:10.18 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 15:10.19 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@bb219-75-114-192.singnet.com.sg] by dondelelcaro |
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| 15:10.27 | valdyn | please someone ban patersen |
| 15:10.30 | RichiH | dondelelcaro: ah, i thought you did |
| 15:10.34 | RichiH | you should, you know ;) |
| 15:10.35 | valdyn | !ops patersen |
| 15:10.35 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: valdyn complains about: patersen |
| 15:10.41 | dondelelcaro | valdyn: uh... you're late |
| 15:10.49 | valdyn | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 15:10.49 | Ronin | too slow valdyn |
| 15:11.04 | rahul | wow |
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| 15:11.23 | RichiH | left the network |
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| 15:11.25 | petemc | nice chap |
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| 15:11.35 | Ronin | children and computers, tsk tsk |
| 15:11.36 | Daisuke__ | re |
| 15:11.40 | broken | Alright. So.. lol.. do I need to install the bootloader.. this tme around? |
| 15:11.45 | Daisuke__ | nanain, sigue sin arrancar las x |
| 15:11.49 | broken | I plant o use the grub bootloader on my gentoo to handle my debian as well. |
| 15:11.57 | DawnLight | what did the guy do to him? |
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| 15:12.21 | wols | stew: didn't know you had enemies who hated you to the deat |
| 15:12.22 | wols | h |
| 15:12.23 | valdyn | broken: you dont need to install a bootloader _if_ you can configure grub from gentoo by yourself |
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| 15:12.39 | stew | please just ignore it |
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| 15:12.51 | valdyn | broken: or you can let debian add an entry for gentoo autmagically, probably. up to you |
| 15:13.20 | abrotman | broken: i used the bcm43xx-fwcutter with a mac that had a broadcom card in it .. worked fine |
| 15:13.24 | broken | Hmm well gentoo is on a diff harddrive, 200 gb sata.. and debian is on a 80 gig hda sharing with winblowz |
| 15:13.34 | valdyn | broken: that's no point |
| 15:13.43 | broken | lol? |
| 15:13.56 | broken | my point is gentoo handles everything now. |
| 15:14.05 | tarzeau | broken: even ufs partitions? |
| 15:14.05 | broken | so it would just be easier to just add another entry for debian. |
| 15:14.08 | valdyn | broken: that's right, oses being on different disks doesnt matter |
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| 15:14.25 | broken | ok well.. im going to install debian now. |
| 15:14.32 | broken | so i'll be back soon. peace. |
| 15:14.37 | valdyn | broken: i would chainload debians grub from gentoos grub, up to you. |
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| 15:15.10 | broken | valdyn: where is the kernel located for debian? would it just be the same as... root (hd0,1) kerenel /boot/vmlinuz or w.e |
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| 15:15.26 | dondelelcaro | broken: you can just use your gentoo kernel if you want, you know. |
| 15:15.32 | capt-rogers | is there a fast-easy way to load my NFS script in Debian? Without having to do the make your own init.d startup/shutdown scripts? |
| 15:15.35 | dondelelcaro | (just change the root= option) |
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| 15:15.52 | benderz0r | how complete is the 2.6.20 kernel under debian at the moment? |
| 15:15.53 | valdyn | broken: depends on where you install it. |
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| 15:15.56 | dondelelcaro | capt-rogers: what does your nfs script do? |
| 15:16.01 | broken | lol, ok let me just do this. |
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| 15:16.05 | broken | i'll be back asap. |
| 15:16.09 | jelly-home | benderz0r: what do you mean? |
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| 15:16.10 | broken | take care. |
| 15:16.11 | dondelelcaro | benderz0r: it's almost exactly the same as upstream's kernel. |
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| 15:16.16 | capt-rogers | loads up my NFS drive..thats all.. |
| 15:16.16 | valdyn | broken: hd(1,x) sounds more likely if debian is on the 2nd disk |
| 15:16.26 | benderz0r | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 15:16.31 | dondelelcaro | it really depends what device () you've done. |
| 15:17.20 | Vyrus001 | when i run xorg with driver fglrx, it tells me that it requires xorg version 7.1.0.0, but the latest version of xorg for debian is 1.3.0.0. how do i fix this? |
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| 15:17.27 | dondelelcaro | capt-rogers: you mean mounts an nfs drive? or runs exportfs? or what? |
| 15:17.45 | valdyn | Vyrus001: debian / sid's xorg is to new, not supported by fglrx |
| 15:17.56 | kalupson_ | how can I check to see the maximum number of threads glibc was compiled to handle? |
| 15:18.15 | Vyrus001 | valdyn lol then why is the number smaller :D |
| 15:18.18 | capt-rogers | mounts an NFS drive...sorry bout that...runs from the command line.but I want it to run every time the system boots up without having to console in and run a one line command. |
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| 15:19.05 | valdyn | Vyrus001: that's related to the modularisation of xorg, dont ask me for the details.. |
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| 15:19.16 | kalupson_ | or, where can I find the build options that where used to compile glibc or a deb package in general? |
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| 15:19.32 | valdyn | kalupson_: apt-get source <packagename> |
| 15:19.34 | Vyrus001 | valdyn ic.. so simply i have to wait untill ati upgrades there pkg yes ? |
| 15:19.46 | valdyn | Vyrus001: as far as i know, yes |
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| 15:19.53 | Vyrus001 | ic |
| 15:19.56 | cydork | kalupson_: /msg dpkg debian/rules |
| 15:20.01 | Vyrus001 | exit |
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| 15:20.23 | jelly-home | kalupson_: does "getconf -a |grep -i THR" help in any way? |
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| 15:21.48 | kalupson_ | jelly-home: unrecognized variable -a |
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| 15:22.36 | kalupson_ | jelly-home: running sarge on this particular system |
| 15:23.25 | kalupson_ | valdyn: thanks |
| 15:23.28 | jelly-home | kalupson_: getconf PTHREAD_THREADS_MAX maybe |
| 15:23.29 | kalupson_ | cydork: thanks |
| 15:23.46 | jelly-home | kalupson_: it's undefined here on lenny |
| 15:23.50 | david-work | Any ideas on why I can not install php5? Is the package broke? Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/p/php5/php5-common_5.2.0-8+etch3_amd64.deb: 404 Not Found |
| 15:23.55 | kalupson_ | jell-home: undefined |
| 15:23.59 | cydork | jelly-home: yeah same on etch. |
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| 15:24.04 | dondelelcaro | david-work: you need to run apt-get update; again, most likely. |
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| 15:24.15 | david-work | i did dondelelcaro |
| 15:24.21 | biz | hi, what was the argument for lilo to boot a specified kernel image only at the next boot time without setting it as default? (eg. i'm rebooting a remote machine into a new kernel, if this one hangs it reboots after the panic time and now boots the default kernel image which is the current working one. if new kernel boots fine, it will get default) |
| 15:24.22 | Bushmills | david-work: apt-get update |
| 15:24.24 | kalupson_ | the real question is how can increase the number of available threads. |
| 15:24.24 | cydork | omg! i killed jelly-home! |
| 15:24.26 | jelly-home | hmph |
| 15:24.42 | jelly-home | cydork: u bastd! |
| 15:24.48 | DawnLight | which has better proprietary drivers, ati/nvidia? |
| 15:25.03 | abrotman | which is better .. malaria or tuberculosis |
| 15:25.05 | dondelelcaro | david-work: uh, well, something else is wrong then, because +etch4 is the currently php5-common, not +etch3 |
| 15:25.06 | jm|work | o.O |
| 15:25.07 | cydork | DawnLight: there is no better proprietary driver! |
| 15:25.13 | jelly-home | abrotman: TB |
| 15:25.16 | david-work | ok so aptitude update is not the same as apt-get update |
| 15:25.21 | david-work | Sorry |
| 15:25.23 | dondelelcaro | david-work: no, they're both the same. |
| 15:25.42 | dondelelcaro | david-work: but you need to have recently run one or the other, and it should have downloaded the new Packages.gz file from security.debian.org |
| 15:25.45 | david-work | well running aptitiude update did not fix it but apt-get update did ?!?! :S |
| 15:25.54 | hon` | what affects my target platform? arch gives me i686, yet dpkg-buildpackage wants to build for targe=i486-linux-gnu |
| 15:25.56 | wols | cydork: sorry to say, but that is untrue |
| 15:26.10 | dondelelcaro | hon`: dpkg-architecture |
| 15:26.18 | cydork | wols: huh? |
| 15:26.21 | wols | DawnLight: without a doubt nvidia for two reasons |
| 15:26.23 | ma3x | what was dpkg's trigger to roll back to and older package version? |
| 15:26.32 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: dpkg has nothing to do that. |
| 15:26.37 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: you just dpkg -i foopkg; |
| 15:26.41 | cydork | wols: it still sucks. the question is which sucks less! :P |
| 15:26.41 | jelly-home | DawnLight: nvidia for playing with composite/3D environments |
| 15:26.43 | hon` | dondelelcaro: how can I change it? |
| 15:26.45 | wols | cydork: evre used a opengl driver from nvidia with one from ati |
| 15:27.00 | dondelelcaro | hon`: you don't. |
| 15:27.08 | ma3x | dondelelcaro, it's just that simple - I get the package and I install it? |
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| 15:27.16 | wols | cydork: yes. but it still has nuances |
| 15:27.25 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: if you're only using dpkg, yes. But you really should be using aptitude to do that kind of thing. |
| 15:27.31 | pipeline | DawnLight: nvidia: the ATi drivers are broken with Xorg 7.2 |
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| 15:27.40 | pipeline | DawnLight: nvidia just has a better track record on being broken less of the time |
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| 15:27.42 | hon` | dondelelcaro: I am confused. Can't I decide my target platform? |
| 15:27.52 | pipeline | DawnLight: All in all, Intel graphics are the best supported under Linux |
| 15:27.56 | wols | DawnLight: and the faster opengl implementation |
| 15:28.02 | pipeline | DawnLight: Followed by ATI open source drivers (r2xx cards) |
| 15:28.05 | jelly-home | pipeline: but they're not closed source |
| 15:28.12 | ma3x | dondelelcaro, how would you rollback with aptitude? |
| 15:28.12 | wols | pipeline: r3xx |
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| 15:28.15 | dondelelcaro | hon`: what exactly are you trying to do? dpkg-architecture knows more about what system you're actually running than you probably know. |
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| 15:28.22 | pipeline | wols: r3xx support is pretty terrible. I wouldn't wish that on anyone :P |
| 15:28.24 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: just select the version you want to install, and mash + on it |
| 15:28.31 | ma3x | dondelelcaro, ah with the older sources.list you probably mean? |
| 15:28.41 | wols | pipeline: I thought it supports up to x800? |
| 15:28.44 | hon` | dondelelcaro: I want it to allow be to build for target=i686-linux-gnu |
| 15:28.48 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: no, with a sources.list that includes a snapshot.debian.net entry for the requisite packages. |
| 15:29.12 | pipeline | wols: Badly. |
| 15:29.20 | pipeline | wols: Not, err, finished |
| 15:29.21 | dondelelcaro | hon`: why? the correct target is i486-linux-gnu; changing it to i686 will break things. |
| 15:29.23 | ma3x | dondelelcaro, there is deb line for snapshot ? |
| 15:29.26 | wols | hon`: CFLAGS and CPPFLAGS |
| 15:29.31 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: snapshot.debian.net |
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| 15:29.52 | dondelelcaro | (it has explanations to everything that you're asking) |
| 15:29.58 | wols | dondelelcaro: he wants to compile binaries optimized for his system I'd say |
| 15:30.14 | dondelelcaro | ah yes... gentoobism |
| 15:30.22 | shogunx | heh heh |
| 15:30.44 | wols | hon`: you set CFLAGS and CPPFLAGS according to your wishes and start |
| 15:30.50 | jelly-home | hey! There's good reason to build optimized stuff... like openssl, or ffmpeg |
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| 15:30.53 | spheard | can anyone tell me what the cpu values are in top us, sy, ni and id |
| 15:30.58 | shogunx | !lart hon` |
| 15:31.02 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: yerp; and in those cases, they're already built |
| 15:31.03 | DawnLight | thanks for all the input. i'm thinking of nvidia also. i've had experience with both. i wish intel had some pci-e cards which are not onboard |
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| 15:31.21 | wols | spheard: user, system, dunno and idle |
| 15:31.24 | dex | hello, how can I install fonts so that they are only accessible to me(that is my account) ? |
| 15:31.37 | hon` | somehow some of the software I am packaging is built for target=i686-linux-gnu. The rest assumes i486 and so goes somewhere else |
| 15:31.47 | ma3x | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 15:32.03 | spheard | Cpu(s): 93.9%us, 6.1%sy, 0.0%ni, 0.0%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st |
| 15:32.04 | dondelelcaro | hon`: which software is this? |
| 15:32.05 | hon` | !botsnack |
| 15:32.06 | dpkg | :), hon` |
| 15:32.29 | spheard | so this would mean that I a using only 6.1% of available cpu time |
| 15:32.39 | hon` | I am a newbie packager so the blame (obviously) goes to me. |
| 15:32.41 | dondelelcaro | spheard: no, it means that you're using 100% |
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| 15:33.02 | dondelelcaro | 93.9 user, 6.1 system == 100 |
| 15:33.05 | wols | spheard: on average, 99% of time, your cpu is idling |
| 15:33.16 | hon` | I need to know how i686 was assumed for the other piece. |
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| 15:33.33 | spheard | wols: yeh, just making sure make is using all th available juice |
| 15:33.38 | wols | spheard: user means time in userland, sy means time in kernel space |
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| 15:33.47 | dondelelcaro | hon`: ah, ok. It's probably the configure scripts doing it. put your .dsc, diff.gz and .orig.tar.gz somewhere, and I'll take a look at it. |
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| 15:34.19 | spheard | thx chaps |
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| 15:35.10 | spheard | anyone come across CONCURRENCY_LEVEL before? |
| 15:35.23 | wols | spheard: ask your real question |
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| 15:36.04 | hon` | dondelelcaro: I am so n00b that the tar.gz has become really large. |
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| 15:36.39 | hon` | let me learn a few basic things first, or I'll make myself embarrassed |
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| 15:37.15 | spheard | okay, Ive been struggling to get this dual core puter to compile using both processors. I found this CONCURRENCY_LEVEL thing that, and I quote "CONCURRENCY_LEVEL specifies the number of allowed concurrent jobs for make to use". How come I only max out the processors when I set it to 4? |
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| 15:38.23 | shingouz | spheard: do you actually have an SMP kernel? of you do not, setting the concurrency just clogs up the box |
| 15:38.28 | spheard | Cpu(s): 44.2%us, 6.5%sy, 0.0%ni, 46.0%id, 3.2%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.2%si, 0.0%st - this is with i set to 2 |
| 15:38.30 | shingouz | s/of/if/ |
| 15:38.35 | DDubya | Hey guys, How do I check what UID a program runs under? |
| 15:38.53 | spheard | shingouz: running 2.6.18-4-sparc64-smp |
| 15:39.03 | wols | DDubya: ps aux first column |
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| 15:39.37 | leOn | shingouz: how many processor do u have ? |
| 15:40.22 | shingouz | leOn: on this one only one. most of my "desktops" are duals though |
| 15:40.34 | DDubya | wols: I did that with a "| grep" but the program for which I'm trying to figure this out (procmail) is not in there |
| 15:40.48 | Dunedan | Is there a way to install debian on a part of a hdd (Mac OS is the other part) with complete encryption for debian (excepting /boot)? With the actual daily d-i it seems only possible to do that with the whole hdd. |
| 15:40.50 | leOn | i read somewhere to set CONCURRENCY_LEVEL = # of CPUs + 1 |
| 15:41.43 | shingouz | spheard: of course when you run multiple instances of the compiler you get a higher cpu usage. do identical compiles with diffferent concurrency levels and time them, that should tell you more about the performance |
| 15:41.44 | jelly-home | leOn: I read that too, but CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=2 make-kpkg on this dual-core Athlon does the job |
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| 15:42.39 | valdyn | leOn: that's to have a free task for cpu or i/o when the other is stuck on i/o or cpu |
| 15:42.42 | chemaja | voice me |
| 15:42.50 | chemaja | holy crap! |
| 15:42.52 | chemaja | thanks |
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| 15:43.16 | DDubya | Where can I find out what UID procmail runs under? |
| 15:43.19 | valdyn | leOn: but in fact this can also circumstantially cripple your i/o performance |
| 15:43.35 | hon` | don't shout at me just yet, I want to have most/all the packages I use built for i686. is this stupid? (I'll use them on a few machines and they'll reside on a local package repos) |
| 15:43.39 | spheard | maybe dual core and dual processor are different |
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| 15:43.42 | leOn | valdyn: yae |
| 15:43.42 | \amethyst | valdyn: you could always do your compilation on a ramfs :) |
| 15:43.54 | valdyn | spheard: no |
| 15:43.59 | shingouz | spheard: could be, never tried a dualcore |
| 15:44.08 | jelly-home | spheard: well, AMD and UltraSparc are definitely different :-) |
| 15:44.14 | spheard | hmm, I have a dual core in my laptop |
| 15:44.30 | aadil | DDubya, ps? |
| 15:44.46 | spheard | jelly-home:you may have a point there. only been on sparc a week, been quite a learnin curve |
| 15:44.59 | DDubya | aadil: its not listed |
| 15:45.04 | spheard | its been my first kernel compiles too |
| 15:45.09 | spheard | :S |
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| 15:45.24 | aadil | DDubya, man ps? |
| 15:46.00 | jelly-home | spheard: there a special reason you use custom kernels? |
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| 15:46.39 | spheard | jelly-home:yeah, 2 reasons. want to get openVZ server virtualisation working on this sun and I cant stop fiddling with things a barely understand :-) |
| 15:46.44 | valdyn | DDubya: it should be the user its delivering mail for |
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| 15:47.11 | leOn | problem is that procmail isn't a daemon .. it runs on the delivery instant, and therefor can be tricky to track with ps |
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| 15:47.32 | hon` | I guess my question was too stupid! |
| 15:47.37 | leOn | my sugestion is: read the docs and set a procmailrc to preform some kind of logging |
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| 15:48.01 | jelly-home | leOn: step 1: send thousands of mails/second to yourself. step 2: use ps :-D |
| 15:48.03 | spheard | hon`: dont worry man, sometimes, they just dont know :) |
| 15:48.11 | valdyn | DDubya: why do you care though? |
| 15:48.36 | wols | wanting what you want is stupid in so far it's a lot of work for pretty low gain. not worth it |
| 15:48.47 | valdyn | DDubya: chances are that your procmail isnt running at all |
| 15:49.09 | wols | hon`: ^^ |
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| 15:49.29 | leOn | jelly-home: eheh |
| 15:50.02 | DDubya | valdyn: In my procmail log I'm getting a ton of "cannot write to /var/spool/mail/quarantine", I'm wondering if its permissions |
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| 15:50.19 | hon` | now what about mixing some i686 packages with the rest i486 |
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| 15:50.21 | klim_ | hi, how can i capture a list of install pkgs so i can do an identical install on another system? |
| 15:50.24 | leOn | DDubya: either that, or that directory doesn't exist |
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| 15:50.32 | DDubya | le0n: it does exist |
| 15:50.38 | valdyn | !clone debian |
| 15:50.43 | leOn | ls -ld /var/spool/mail/quarantine |
| 15:50.50 | valdyn | !debian clone |
| 15:50.50 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". |
| 15:50.54 | valdyn | klim_: ^^^ |
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| 15:51.01 | jelly-home | DDubya: hm, is the file group writable for group mail? |
| 15:51.07 | sudo_maddash | i'm linked to a box via eth0, and the internet via eth1. is it possible to somehow "bridge" the connections of eth0 and eth1 so that the other box also has an internet connection? |
| 15:51.16 | \amethyst | leOn: How about make a procmail rule where the last line is something like | (cat ; id) > /tmp/somefile then send yourself an email that rule will match |
| 15:51.23 | valdyn | klim_: if the systems are reasonable similar and you want a backup too, look at mondo |
| 15:51.29 | Bushmills | sudo_maddash: sure |
| 15:51.35 | minus | Hi ppl. My numlock is disabled when i login on my computer. How do i make debian to autoeneble it when i login? |
| 15:51.35 | xand | !nat |
| 15:51.35 | dpkg | methinks nat is Network Address Translation. See also ipmasq, or patented by CISCO, or ip-masq is not exactly like NAT, the former is more flexible while the latter gains widely recognition. see also 'netfilter docs', or $BROWSER /usr/share/doc/iptables/html/NAT-HOWTO-4.html#ss4.1 |
| 15:51.37 | DDubya | jelly-home: it is set to group mail, owner is me |
| 15:51.46 | leOn | \amethyst: that was my second step in the sugestion |
| 15:51.49 | leOn | =) |
| 15:51.49 | DDubya | -rw--w--w- 1 hippie mail 169764362 May 4 11:38 /var/spool/mail/quarantine |
| 15:52.00 | leOn | there you go |
| 15:52.03 | DDubya | its massive |
| 15:52.08 | leOn | you need execution permission |
| 15:52.24 | leOn | chmod ug+x /var/spool/mail/quarantine |
| 15:52.26 | \amethyst | leOn: oh, I sent that to the wrong person, should have been to DDubya |
| 15:52.27 | sudo_maddash | Bushmills: how? |
| 15:52.27 | jelly-home | leOn: on a mail folder? WHY? |
| 15:52.43 | sudo_maddash | minus: numlockx |
| 15:52.44 | leOn | jelly-home: it's not a mail folder |
| 15:52.46 | hon` | wols: does mixing i686 and i486 packages break things? |
| 15:52.49 | DDubya | le0n: why execute? just write privledges no?? |
| 15:52.51 | leOn | it's a quarantine folder |
| 15:52.56 | jelly-home | leOn: so? |
| 15:53.01 | valdyn | hon`: debian has such packages? |
| 15:53.10 | \amethyst | leOn: err, it's not a directory, why does it need execute? |
| 15:53.21 | valdyn | hon`: you probably mean if optimising for either breaks things? |
| 15:53.25 | leOn | it's not a directory?... woops |
| 15:53.26 | klim_ | i want do just a similar package install on both system to migrate from one to the other |
| 15:53.28 | leOn | my bad |
| 15:53.32 | leOn | i thought it was a dr |
| 15:53.34 | leOn | dir |
| 15:53.36 | \amethyst | One massive mbox file :) |
| 15:53.51 | DDubya | permissions are right then, right? |
| 15:53.52 | jelly-home | nah, if it isn't 2GB+, it's not massive |
| 15:54.00 | valdyn | klim_: read what dpkg said |
| 15:54.03 | leOn | DDubya: that we cannot say |
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| 15:54.19 | hon` | valdyn, is that supposed to break things? |
| 15:54.21 | jelly-home | DDubya: I'd try chmod g+r just for fun |
| 15:54.24 | valdyn | hon`: no |
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| 15:54.26 | leOn | it's not 100% certain that procmail will run with the mail gid |
| 15:54.31 | hon` | it is not recommended, right? |
| 15:54.32 | directhex|work | when does security support for sarge end? |
| 15:54.54 | jelly-home | DDubya: and remove that o+w, that's not smart (especially on a multiuser machine) |
| 15:54.54 | wols | hon`: no |
| 15:54.56 | valdyn | hon`: using weird optimisation flags used to break things on specific software, but not this |
| 15:55.10 | DDubya | jelly: what should I chmod it to? |
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| 15:55.24 | jelly-home | DDubya: 660, it you want exact settings |
| 15:55.30 | klim_ | thanks. |
| 15:55.33 | valdyn | hon`: keep in mind though: compilers have bugs, and debian maintainers know very well which flags they use for what reasons |
| 15:55.35 | leOn | chmod g+r,o-w |
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| 15:55.56 | Bushmills | sudo_maddash: you'd want to use uptables, and configure it to implement masquerading, also called NAT |
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| 15:55.58 | hon` | I see. thanks. |
| 15:56.10 | Bushmills | sudo_maddash: iptables, sorry, typo |
| 15:56.14 | DDubya | ejlly: thanks! maybe this will make more sense to you than me... "WARN: No usable Return-Path: header found in message." that is in my procmail log after it says it cannot write to the quarantine folder |
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| 15:56.24 | LinuxNIT-II | is there a way to get the system to backgound the process when it configures the network on boot? |
| 15:56.25 | valdyn | hon`: oh, and on top of that, 99% of all software wont speed up your workflow no matter how you optimise it |
| 15:56.34 | jelly-home | leOn: true, but it's most probable (on a Debian machine). But on a recent Debian machine there's no /var/spool/mail, so this is kind funky |
| 15:56.43 | leOn | DDubya: is that a qmail server ? |
| 15:56.53 | DDubya | jelly: its not recent- its a hand me down |
| 15:57.02 | DDubya | le0n: running exim |
| 15:57.10 | leOn | DDubya: if so, use preline to call procmail |
| 15:57.10 | DDubya | le0n: running coruier |
| 15:57.11 | valdyn | LinuxNIT-II: maybe, but maybe you just dont want to bring up that interface automagically on dhcp if dhcp is not guaranteed to be available |
| 15:57.15 | DDubya | courier* |
| 15:57.22 | hon` | valdyn: this one might have a difference. |
| 15:57.30 | hon` | how can I imply i686 platform? e.g. what CFLAGS should I set? |
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| 15:57.48 | leOn | jelly-home: i don't use /var/spool/mail in years |
| 15:57.50 | leOn | =) |
| 15:57.51 | valdyn | hon`: dont you have something like a p4? |
| 15:58.00 | leOn | only ~/Maildir/ |
| 15:58.00 | valdyn | hon`: instead of generic i686? |
| 15:58.06 | LinuxNIT-II | valdyn, but even if dhcp is guaranteed... it takes a while to connect sometimes. i just wanted to speed it up a bit |
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| 15:58.34 | jelly-home | DDubya: hm. using a rule like suggested above might be the easiest way to find out uid/gid under which procmail is run |
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| 15:59.02 | hon` | my specific problem at the momment is that the build target for one piece has been assumed to be i686. I am fixing the rest to use the same target. |
| 15:59.15 | DDubya | jelly: I did not catch that rule? could you please say it again |
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| 15:59.22 | valdyn | LinuxNIT-II: ok, i'd have to read the script, which im not going to. However if this is a desktop system you just might want to use a user-controlled network, not /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 15:59.40 | valdyn | LinuxNIT-II: at least on a laptop... |
| 15:59.41 | \amethyst | DDubya: make a procmail rule where the last line is something like | (cat ; id) > /tmp/somefile then send yourself an email matched by that rule |
| 15:59.44 | leOn | jelly-home: his "problem" is that procmail must be failing for some reason and it cannot bounce the message cause it hasn't any return-path |
| 15:59.45 | broken | WELL.. it gave me another stupid errod. |
| 15:59.51 | broken | So no more debian installing for me. |
| 16:00.05 | yos87 | Hi, how can I rip the audio cd to mp3 files ? |
| 16:00.09 | valdyn | LinuxNIT-II: does my description fit? |
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| 16:00.20 | hon` | so I need something to affect the target, and set it to i686-linux-gnu |
| 16:00.22 | \amethyst | yos87: A number of programs exist... graphical or command-line? |
| 16:00.35 | yos87 | graphic |
| 16:00.39 | leOn | DDubya: have you considered qmail or postfix ? |
| 16:00.41 | \amethyst | yos87: grip is one |
| 16:00.58 | \amethyst | yos87: You'll need an mp3 encoder, maybe lame from debian-multimedia |
| 16:01.01 | LinuxNIT-II | valdyn, yes... where do i read about user controlled networks.. i was under the impression you were supposed to use /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:01.07 | jelly-home | leOn: wow, I must have missed that bit... I don't see any mention of bounce or DSN messages |
| 16:01.08 | \amethyst | yos87: There are no mp3 encoders in main |
| 16:01.17 | DDubya | le0n: no.. not yet. I do not know enough yet to make a leap like that. |
| 16:01.17 | valdyn | LinuxNIT-II: on which desktop environment? |
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| 16:01.40 | LinuxNIT-II | lxde |
| 16:01.43 | jelly-home | leOn: only <DDubya> valdyn: In my procmail log I'm getting a ton of "cannot write to /var/spool/mail/quarantine", I'm wondering if its permissions |
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| 16:01.48 | Thms | what is the current kernel of lenny ? |
| 16:01.48 | DDubya | jelly: this is my error after it tells me it cant write to quarantine "WARN: No usable Return-Path: header found in message." |
| 16:01.51 | valdyn | LinuxNIT-II: kde? |
| 16:01.51 | \amethyst | yos87: Do you specifically need mp3 files, or will Ogg Vorbis work? |
| 16:01.55 | leOn | < DDubya> ejlly: thanks! maybe this will make more sense to you than me... "WARN: No usable Return-Path: header found in message." that is in my procmail log after it says it cannot write to the quarantine folder |
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| 16:02.00 | LinuxNIT-II | no lxde |
| 16:02.05 | LinuxNIT-II | its not in the repos |
| 16:02.14 | DDubya | well say it three times.. =) |
| 16:02.16 | valdyn | LinuxNIT-II: uh |
| 16:02.21 | stew | Thms: 2.6.18-4 |
| 16:02.24 | yos87 | \amethyst: vlc can make the Ogg files, But I want to mp3 files |
| 16:02.31 | LinuxNIT-II | valdyn, i see what you mean by user controled... thanks |
| 16:02.40 | DDubya | le0n: so this isn't really a "problem" |
| 16:02.41 | \amethyst | !debian-multimedia |
| 16:02.41 | dpkg | debian-multimedia is probably a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
| 16:02.51 | Thms | stew: OK |
| 16:02.55 | yos87 | \amethyst: there is lame in the list, isn't it same mp3 |
| 16:02.57 | valdyn | LinuxNIT-II: network-manager does this, i cant tell which GUI tool you should use, i dont know lxde |
| 16:02.58 | leOn | DDubya: you have two problems |
| 16:03.25 | leOn | 1 - procmail isn't being able to deliver in the quarantine box |
| 16:03.25 | DDubya | le0n: I got a bunch more that that ;) |
| 16:03.25 | stew | Thms: you can check this yourself if you go to http://packages.debian.org/linux-image-2.6-686 ; then click on testing, and look at the dependencies, you'll see that it currently depends on linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 16:03.25 | \amethyst | yos87: in what list? |
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| 16:03.44 | leOn | 2 - uppon that failure, procmail isn't being able to bounce an error message, cause there isn't any return-path in the message headers |
| 16:03.51 | LinuxNIT-II | valdyn, ok if i have network-manager running and the devices configured in /etc/network/interfaces it will auto connecto to the one available? |
| 16:04.08 | yos87 | \amethyst: when open the grip go to config, encode, there is list include lame |
| 16:04.14 | Thms | okay stew |
| 16:04.17 | LinuxNIT-II | network-manager is just a daemon right? |
| 16:04.20 | valdyn | LinuxNIT-II: it ignores what's already setup in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:04.20 | \amethyst | yos87: You probably don't have it installed, though |
| 16:04.21 | wardyx | anyone here uses libnss-pgsql for user authentication? |
| 16:04.27 | LinuxNIT-II | oh |
| 16:04.41 | valdyn | LinuxNIT-II: and you use something like network-manager-gnome or network-manager-kde to connect |
| 16:04.42 | maddash | Bushmills: I found "bridge-utils" from P.D.O. does it do the same bridging that iptables can? |
| 16:04.43 | DDubya | le0n: hm.. makes sense. so one is not causing the other.. as in, because it can't quarantine, it can't bounce |
| 16:04.49 | LinuxNIT-II | valdyn, ok thanks for the help |
| 16:04.52 | yos87 | \amethyst: yes, right, not work |
| 16:04.54 | DDubya | le0n: or am I totally wrong |
| 16:05.02 | leOn | i was asking if you were using qmail, cause it's a know fact that the vanilla install fails (it's not really it's job to do so) to add the return-path |
| 16:05.13 | DDubya | aah. |
| 16:05.13 | valdyn | LinuxNIT-II: there's alot more similar utilities, but i dont much about those |
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| 16:05.49 | leOn | it's two separate problems |
| 16:05.53 | DDubya | ok |
| 16:06.34 | yos87 | \amethyst: http://gnormalize.sourceforge.net/ |
| 16:06.50 | LinuxNIT-II | thanks valdyn i appreciate the help |
| 16:07.10 | \amethyst | yos87: /msg dpkg debian-multimedia.etch for information on how to add the debian-multimedia sources for lame and other patent-encumbered software |
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| 16:07.45 | xDCDx | hello |
| 16:08.29 | \amethyst | yos87: gnormalize also uses lame to do its mp3 encoding |
| 16:08.54 | yos87 | \amethyst: I already have the debian-multimedia.org in my sources.list |
| 16:08.57 | xDCDx | is there any command that shows the system load in two numbers, for CPU and RAM? (like 0 0, or 100 35) |
| 16:09.03 | \amethyst | yos87: so aptitude install lame |
| 16:09.32 | yos87 | \amethyst: what aptitude mean? |
| 16:09.35 | DDubya | le0n: is there no way to find out which UID procmail runs on? Or can I at least edit it? |
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| 16:09.47 | DDubya | le0n: tell it to run under a different UID? |
| 16:09.48 | elia | hola a todos |
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| 16:10.02 | \amethyst | yos87: you can use apt-get if you prefer; it's just another frontend to apt |
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| 16:10.55 | yos87 | \amethyst: I did, he said many programs to remove |
| 16:11.29 | \amethyst | yos87: you're running etch? |
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| 16:11.43 | yos87 | \amethyst: yes |
| 16:11.47 | jelly-home | DDubya: the MDA is called by MTA... therefore, exim (or courier?) should have a setting somewhere on how to call procmail. |
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| 16:11.55 | yos87 | \amethyst: he is removing alot of things |
| 16:12.01 | \amethyst | yos87: such as? |
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| 16:12.25 | \amethyst | yos87: and what does your entry for debian-multimedia look like? |
| 16:12.29 | rgsteele | !penix |
| 16:12.29 | dpkg | hmm... penix is a highly sophisticated eggdrop bot, thought to be the predecessor of SkyNet, or madly in love with NewOS, or a crack whore, or my hero, or a Theo-loving hippy, or wants to have Alan Cox's baby. A sexy bitch. http://penix.mine.nu/images/gamp.jpg, or 'I don't exist. I live in a world that you cannot even imagine. full of gamp, fast cars, beautiful women and hardware', or a regular extra on Kingswood Country, or the shiznit, or a US Marine |
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| 16:12.53 | yos87 | \amethyst: http://pastebin.ca/507476 |
| 16:13.03 | yos87 | \amethyst: it deleted so many packages |
| 16:13.26 | hon` | there isn't a README or a useful doc in /usr/share/doc/dpkg. *sigh* |
| 16:13.41 | \amethyst | yos87: Ah, aptitude thought they were unused |
| 16:13.50 | david-work | is there anyway to recover from a rm -rf? I have no /bin dir I left my box unlocked lol |
| 16:13.53 | chemaja | hon`, http://debian.org/doc |
| 16:13.55 | david-work | pranks suck |
| 16:13.58 | \amethyst | yos87: and thought they were automatically installed instead of manually |
| 16:14.02 | \amethyst | yos87: you can reinstall them |
| 16:14.03 | rgsteele | hon`: man dpkg? |
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| 16:14.16 | yos87 | \amethyst: Oh, one by one? |
| 16:14.25 | rgsteele | david-work: If all they deleted was /bin, count your blessings. |
| 16:14.27 | \amethyst | yos87: all at once |
| 16:14.39 | \amethyst | yos87: aptitude install bug-buddy ekiga eog esound evince fast-user-switch-applet file-roller ... |
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| 16:15.01 | \amethyst | yos87: you can copy and paste from the pastebin... just make sure you put them all on one line |
| 16:15.19 | yos87 | \amethyst: http://pastebin.ca/507480 |
| 16:15.20 | david-work | rgsteele, any ideas on recovering? |
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| 16:15.52 | david-work | I have no general maintnece commands |
| 16:15.58 | \amethyst | yos87: yeah, your sources.list is fine, when I asked about that I had thought there were dependency problems or something |
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| 16:17.08 | rgsteele | david-work: You could try to copy /bin over from another box. sshd resides in /sbin |
| 16:17.08 | \amethyst | yos87: But it was probably the first time you had run aptitude, and it noticed some packages marked "not installed manually", saw they were no longer depended on by manually-installed packages, and decided to be helpful and uninstall them |
| 16:17.16 | rgsteele | david-work: So, your ssh daemon should still be running |
| 16:17.28 | rgsteele | david-work: Then at least you'll have something to work with |
| 16:17.28 | david-work | using scp? |
| 16:17.41 | rgsteele | david-work: Or rsync, or whatever you like. |
| 16:17.46 | david-work | ok thanks |
| 16:19.13 | yos87 | \amethyst: I'm reinstalling all of them, I made them at one line |
| 16:19.13 | \amethyst | yos87: that's (usually) one of the useful things about aptitude---it doesn't leave old useless libraries sitting around after an upgrade unless you explicitly installed them from the command line |
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| 16:19.25 | yos87 | \amethyst: now, I install lame, I can use th grip? |
| 16:19.55 | \amethyst | yos87: you should be able to |
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| 16:20.36 | \amethyst | yos87: make sure the ripper is set to "grip (cdparanoia)", or you might need to install something else, too |
| 16:20.37 | yos87 | \amethyst: suppose, I close the terminal, and I don't have to pastebin record, what to get the list of the removed packages to past it in the terminal again? |
| 16:20.42 | SamWise_TheGreat | does debian have a live cd? |
| 16:20.43 | biz | what was the right way to force a filesystem check at next boot but also give -D to e2fsck? |
| 16:21.06 | \amethyst | yos87: you can look at /var/log/aptitude |
| 16:21.07 | stew | SamWise_TheGreat: not officially yet, but its being worked on unofficially: http://live.debian.net |
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| 16:21.16 | SamWise_TheGreat | stew thanks |
| 16:21.30 | \amethyst | yos87: search for REMOVE, NOT USED |
| 16:21.36 | JennyDeafx74 | hello. can i run LFS LiveCD in virtualbox? |
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| 16:22.20 | yos87 | \amethyst: I don't have aptitude folder in /var/log |
| 16:22.21 | toicontento | JennyDeafx74, it should work |
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| 16:22.55 | yos87 | \amethyst: yea, yea, I got it |
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| 16:23.31 | JennyDeafx74 | ;D thanx |
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| 16:24.18 | yos87 | \amethyst: not work, it say invaild encoder |
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| 16:26.35 | \amethyst | yos87: Did you select lame as the encoder? what does it show as the executable? |
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| 16:28.14 | yos87 | \amethyst: it show (lame) |
| 16:28.32 | yos87 | \amethyst: anything I select not owrk |
| 16:28.49 | SamWise_TheGreat | how many officially supported packages are in the official debian etch repositories? |
| 16:29.03 | cydork | !dstats etch |
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| 16:30.07 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on etch... 18601 packages, 1728 maintainers, 41697 MB installed size, 13733 MB compressed size. |
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| 16:30.20 | SamWise_TheGreat | cool! |
| 16:30.21 | cydork | dpkg: you are slow. |
| 16:30.21 | dondelelcaro | note that that's for i386; it's slightly different for different architectures |
| 16:30.21 | dpkg | cydork: what are you talking about? |
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| 16:31.09 | SamWise_TheGreat | !dstats lenny |
| 16:31.22 | SamWise_TheGreat | !dstats ubuntu |
| 16:31.39 | cydork | SamWise_TheGreat: ubuntu is not debian. |
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| 16:31.50 | SamWise_TheGreat | its based on debian though |
| 16:32.06 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on lenny... 19656 packages, 1799 maintainers, 44676 MB installed size, 15002 MB compressed size. |
| 16:32.09 | cydork | !based on debian |
| 16:32.09 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 16:32.35 | SamWise_TheGreat | dpkg thanks for the statistics and information |
| 16:32.35 | dpkg | SamWise_TheGreat: no problem |
| 16:32.55 | SamWise_TheGreat | is dpkg a bot or just pretending to be one? |
| 16:33.21 | cydork | bot. |
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| 16:33.39 | SamWise_TheGreat | I think im going to give lenny a try soon |
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| 16:33.48 | SamWise_TheGreat | debian is such a great os |
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| 16:34.21 | HostilePenguin | arent almost all the packages in etch the same as lenny right now? |
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| 16:34.35 | dondelelcaro | HostilePenguin: no |
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| 16:34.56 | perlmonkey | hi guys |
| 16:35.02 | dondelelcaro | lenny has already diverged quite a bit, and it's diverging more and more every single day |
| 16:35.09 | yos87 | \amethyst: gnormalize is very good, it worked easly, try it |
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| 16:35.52 | perlmonkey | i bought a new laptop (tecra 9100) its working great but it has a french keyboard and i'm english, although the alphabet keys are working ok, the symbols etc are not, how do I fix that? |
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| 16:36.13 | perlmonkey | do I need to physically replace the keyboard? |
| 16:36.45 | SamWise_TheGreat | if I install debian with gnome and standard packages to make it run how much memory and cpu usage would lenny use? |
| 16:36.50 | jelly-home | perlmonkey: you're kidding, right? |
| 16:37.18 | HostilePenguin | samwise that is a crazy question |
| 16:37.19 | perlmonkey | jelly-home: :-/ i never been in this situation |
| 16:37.38 | spungles | perlmonkey: the keys should just pop off |
| 16:37.43 | spungles | re-arrange them as you need |
| 16:37.50 | spungles | the system should detect their moves |
| 16:37.55 | Begasus | not really HostilePenguin |
| 16:37.58 | SamWise_TheGreat | HostilePenguin how is it a crazy question? |
| 16:38.01 | jelly-home | perlmonkey: whatever is printed on the keyboard has no effect on system settings. |
| 16:38.11 | Begasus | running Etch with 256MB ram isn't that good |
| 16:38.21 | Begasus | so 512 should be min I think |
| 16:38.22 | HostilePenguin | whatever |
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| 16:39.01 | Begasus | running it on the laptop with 256 and it tends to be a bit slow compared to the pc |
| 16:39.02 | jelly-home | perlmonkey: so if you have set up a US keyboard in your OS, you'll have a qwerty keyboard , regardless of the actual keycaps |
| 16:39.12 | Begasus | and that one is running beryl |
| 16:39.16 | HostilePenguin | i run etch on a 600 celeron with 64 meg of ram |
| 16:39.25 | HostilePenguin | so.... |
| 16:39.26 | Begasus | eeps |
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| 16:39.34 | Begasus | with gnome? |
| 16:39.41 | HostilePenguin | yes with gnome |
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| 16:39.58 | Begasus | you're brave ;) |
| 16:40.12 | Begasus | well if it works |
| 16:40.21 | Begasus | just stating my experiance |
| 16:40.21 | perlmonkey | jelly-home: ok that makes sense, but why then are the symbols not the same as qwerty layout? |
| 16:40.29 | SamWise_TheGreat | how much more memory does kde use compared to gnome and fluxbox? |
| 16:40.44 | HostilePenguin | see what kind of questions are these |
| 16:40.44 | jelly-home | perlmonkey: what do you mean? |
| 16:40.53 | HostilePenguin | 1% more |
| 16:41.16 | jelly-home | perlmonkey: is there no eg. @ when you press shift-2 ? |
| 16:41.17 | HostilePenguin | google has alot of info on wm |
| 16:41.24 | perlmonkey | all of the symbols on my keyboard are not where they should be, i.e. when I type @ i get something else |
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| 16:41.38 | perlmonkey | jelly-home: that's right, I get " instead |
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| 16:42.04 | jelly-home | perlmonkey: ah. X or console? |
| 16:42.08 | Begasus | are you running the azerty keymap? |
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| 16:42.10 | perlmonkey | X |
| 16:42.28 | SamWise_TheGreat | how do I mount two partitions from different hdds into the same directory? |
| 16:42.32 | wathek | I've installed debian etch and when I try to compile a source I get this configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 16:42.33 | perlmonkey | it's the same in X and console actually |
| 16:42.33 | jelly-home | perlmonkey: run "setxkbmap us" anr try again |
| 16:42.37 | wathek | any help ? |
| 16:42.40 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 16:42.54 | perlmonkey | is there a british equivalent? maybe setxkbmap gb? |
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| 16:42.57 | cydork | perlmonkey: also check /msg dpkg keymap |
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| 16:43.15 | perlmonkey | ok thanks |
| 16:43.28 | HostilePenguin | samwise google is your friend you have so many questions jeesh |
| 16:43.37 | cydork | wathek: /msg dpkg cannot create executables |
| 16:43.45 | wathek | ok |
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| 16:43.55 | Begasus | well I agree on you for the last one HostilePenguin ;) |
| 16:44.24 | perlmonkey | thanks guys that fixed it |
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| 16:44.33 | perlmonkey | will that be permanent now? |
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| 16:44.45 | jelly-home | perlmonkey: no, that was just to test |
| 16:44.48 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 16:44.49 | SamWise_TheGreat | HostilePenguin is yahoo as good as google? |
| 16:44.55 | Begasus | try typing some weird characters ;) |
| 16:44.56 | HostilePenguin | omfg |
| 16:45.00 | Begasus | rofl |
| 16:45.01 | Ronin | SamWise_TheGreat: go google or stay home :) |
| 16:45.04 | Begasus | hehe |
| 16:45.11 | Begasus | askjeeves |
| 16:45.16 | Begasus | :P |
| 16:45.22 | Begasus | is that even around? |
| 16:45.25 | HostilePenguin | sam how old are you 10 |
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| 16:45.38 | SamWise_TheGreat | ok Begasus im going to ask jeeves how to mount my hdd partitions into 1 directory |
| 16:45.55 | Begasus | he's to much ;) |
| 16:46.06 | jelly-home | perlmonkey: for console, you'll need to do that dpkg-reconfigure console-data from that factoid. I'm not sure about X, but it shouldn't involve xmodmap |
| 16:46.16 | perlmonkey | uh huh |
| 16:46.22 | perlmonkey | ok thanks |
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| 16:47.09 | jelly-home | SamWise_TheGreat: you can't mount two partitions onto a single mount point and have access to both at the same time. |
| 16:47.24 | jelly-home | SamWise_TheGreat: mount them on different mount points. |
| 16:47.37 | lws | So, ever since I upgraded from sarge to etch, my tar backups are extremely slow. What use to take an hour or so now takes about a day and a half. Any ideas? |
| 16:47.45 | jelly-home | !any ideas |
| 16:47.45 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of rutabagas, a little K-Y jelly, and a dozen three-legged badgers. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 16:47.50 | SamWise_TheGreat | jelly-home thanks |
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| 16:48.15 | jelly-home | lws: is the disk access generally slower? |
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| 16:48.44 | lws | jelly-home: I haven't noticed anything, but it could be? |
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| 16:50.19 | jelly-home | lws: try "hdparm -t /dev/sda" (or whereever your disk is), should be better than 20MB/s for recent desktop hard disks |
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| 16:51.12 | JosefAssad | gah, only 15 Mb/sec here |
| 16:51.24 | lws | jelly-home: They're about 5 years old, I'm getting 28MB/sec |
| 16:51.46 | jelly-home | lws: ok, so it's not that then |
| 16:52.24 | JosefAssad | ah, okay. hdparm -u 1 /dev/hda brought that up to 29 |
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| 16:53.38 | squitijax | I'd like to mount an smb share (on a windows pc) automatically at startup? What is the recommended way to do that? |
| 16:53.48 | lws | jelly-home: how about this one: Timing buffered disk reads: 692 MB in 3.01 seconds = 230.04 MB/sec |
| 16:54.03 | HostilePenguin | fstab? |
| 16:54.18 | cahoot | lws: t not T |
| 16:54.44 | lws | cahoot: that is "t" not "T" :P |
| 16:54.47 | jelly-home | cahoot: that was -t |
| 16:54.48 | squitijax | HostilePenguin: I'm using /etc/init.d right now, but I don't think it's the best way |
| 16:55.08 | jelly-home | "Timing buffered disk reads" instead of "Timing cached reads" |
| 16:55.12 | perlmonkey | fan: laptop does not have cooling fan or kernel module not installed. <= what module do I need? |
| 16:56.05 | lws | cahoot: that was my 8 disk RAID-5 on a 3ware card. |
| 16:56.25 | lws | jelly-home: so no other ideas? |
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| 16:56.45 | perlmonkey | how do I find out what wifi card I have? this laptop is supposed to have a mini-pci internal wifi card but i can't see anything like that on lspci |
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| 16:56.49 | perlmonkey | any ideas? |
| 16:56.49 | jelly-home | lws: Are there other processes accessing the drive(s) at the same time? do you see constant >0 r or b columns on "vmstat 1" output? |
| 16:56.57 | salinas | holas |
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| 16:57.07 | perlmonkey | salinas: hola |
| 16:57.28 | jelly-home | perlmonkey: it's called "fan" :-) |
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| 16:57.34 | perlmonkey | oh! |
| 16:57.38 | stickybit` | any good vcd player for debian??? i am not able to play vcd using `vlc' |
| 16:57.47 | hans_67 | hi |
| 16:57.50 | perlmonkey | I installed the toshutils but none of them work on this laptop :-/ |
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| 16:58.03 | perlmonkey | i cant switch off fan or adjust screen brightness |
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| 16:58.26 | lws | jelly-home : no? |
| 16:58.41 | lws | jelly-home: ooh, there's one process reading something |
| 16:58.53 | lws | jelly-home: 1 0 0 1761556 65528 49736 0 0 0 0 263 18 0 0 100 0 |
| 16:58.55 | jelly-home | lws: occasional activity is ok |
| 16:59.22 | perlmonkey | how do I set the date? |
| 16:59.30 | jelly-home | perlmonkey: man date |
| 16:59.34 | perlmonkey | thanks |
| 16:59.50 | biz | hi, i've just compiled and installed a kernel the debian way using the linux-source debian package. now the kernel is up and running, however now i need an additional module i forgot earlier. whats the rught way to compile just this module now and install it? |
| 17:00.36 | stickybit` | jelly-home: any good vcd player for debian??? i am not able to play vcd using `vlc' |
| 17:00.36 | cydork | perlmonkey: which bios do you have recently toshiba ships shitty phoenix bios. |
| 17:00.36 | jelly-home | stickybit`: no ideas |
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| 17:00.56 | flyinprogramer | wow i'm such an idiot |
| 17:01.00 | jelly-home | stickybit`: there's 3 usual video players on linux: mplayer, vlc and xine. Try the other ones |
| 17:01.12 | flyinprogramer | i forgot to setup dyndns for my reinstall |
| 17:01.20 | stickybit` | jelly-home: sure... thanks |
| 17:01.24 | flyinprogramer | such a foolish boy i am |
| 17:01.36 | jelly-home | lws: did the number of files drastically increase? :-) |
| 17:01.37 | flyinprogramer | cuz it makes talking to my server at home, from school, really difficult |
| 17:01.37 | dkr | stickybit`: mplayer vcd://2 |
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| 17:02.07 | stickybit` | dkr: what is that?? gnubie here |
| 17:02.11 | perlmonkey | cydork: I'm not sure, will have to check..this is a Tecra 9100 which is a P4, quite an old machine |
| 17:02.16 | jelly-home | flyinprogramer: static ip ftw |
| 17:02.21 | dkr | stickybit`: how you play the 2nd track of a vcd with mplayer |
| 17:02.22 | lws | jelly-home: I don't think so, there's 400,000 some files being tar'd though. |
| 17:02.28 | lws | jelly-home: lots of smallish junk. |
| 17:02.39 | flyinprogramer | jelly-home: my verizon connection isn't static |
| 17:02.39 | cydork | perlmonkey: hmm ok.. |
| 17:02.47 | stickybit` | dkr: ok.... |
| 17:02.59 | flyinprogramer | jelly-home: its a personal/home/webserver |
| 17:03.06 | dkr | stickybit`: I don't think "..." means what you think it means. :) |
| 17:03.09 | jelly-home | flyinprogramer: my isp lets me have a static ip (if I pay more) |
| 17:03.12 | perlmonkey | cydork: i paid £47 for it |
| 17:03.27 | flyinprogramer | jelly-home: and why would you when you can get dyndns working |
| 17:03.37 | cydork | perlmonkey: that's cheap :) |
| 17:03.49 | jelly-home | flyinprogramer: because static ip > dyndns |
| 17:03.51 | jelly-home | :-) |
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| 17:04.09 | flyinprogramer | psht |
| 17:04.10 | lws | jelly-home: another guy around here mentioned something about the tape drive being in "full streaming" mode? I couldn't see how to check if that was on or off though. |
| 17:04.13 | flyinprogramer | your money i guess |
| 17:04.19 | perlmonkey | cydork: hehe it's in pretty bad state, or was when it came.. totally cannablised, hdd, memory, cd, bat, all removed |
| 17:04.30 | jelly-home | lws: you're doing tar directly to tape? |
| 17:04.40 | lws | jelly-home: yes. |
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| 17:05.11 | jelly-home | lws: now that's a whole other area of things that could go wrong |
| 17:05.17 | perlmonkey | cydork: there also a annoying low whine coming from the machine, i thought it was the air vent fan on the side but I think it's coming from nearer the cpu, possibly a fan for the P4? |
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| 17:05.35 | lws | jelly-home: dunna giver me that look! It was not my choice. I intend to change it shortly, but I would like to fix this as it is for now. |
| 17:05.39 | karsten | lws: What's the specific model? Is this an advertised feature of it or are you picking up the term elsewhere? |
| 17:05.44 | cydork | perlmonkey: possible.. |
| 17:06.02 | lws | karsten: I said, this guy mentioned it. It's an HP DDS-3 tape drive. |
| 17:06.13 | jelly-home | lws: I think full streaming just means tar can dump data fast enough for tapes to keep rolling |
| 17:06.21 | karsten | perlmonkey: Best bet's to pop the case off the box and try to locate the sound more directly. A tube or hose is a good poor-man's stethescope. |
| 17:06.23 | cydork | perlmonkey: for the hardware and other information check /msg dpkg whats my hardware And /msg dpkg laptop |
| 17:06.24 | jelly-home | lws: how much data? |
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| 17:06.37 | perlmonkey | karsten: good idea |
| 17:06.43 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 17:06.52 | karsten | lws: Never heard the term myself. I'd guess it means maintaining a full buffer writing to the device. |
| 17:07.06 | jelly-home | lws: DDS3 can do about 3MB/s AFAIR, 6 if you're lucky and data is compressible (and hw compression is on) |
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| 17:07.39 | karsten | lws: Google turns up three hits for: dds "full streaming" mode. |
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| 17:07.48 | karsten | lws: I'd say it's not a term in common use. |
| 17:08.11 | lws | karsten: i did. I was hoping this might be something documented since it started slowing down after I upgraded to etch. |
| 17:09.29 | karsten | lws: The things that are going to affect how fast your tape writes data is largely how fast you can get data to it. Disk contention, CPU load (unlikely, most devices use HW compression), network latency if you're pulling data in remotely, are the biggies. |
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| 17:09.29 | perlmonkey | does anyone have the time (BST) |
| 17:09.29 | karsten | lws: IMO vmstat and iostat are your biggest friends. |
| 17:10.24 | jelly-home | lws: try taring to /dev/null and see if it's much faster... if it is, you can blame the tape (drive, st settings...) |
| 17:10.33 | karsten | perlmonkey: TZ=Europe/London date |
| 17:10.40 | karsten | perlmonkey: 18:09 FYI. |
| 17:11.05 | petemc | 18:10 < karsten> perlmonkey: 18:09 FYI. |
| 17:11.08 | petemc | whos right?! |
| 17:11.11 | jelly-home | British Summer Time? |
| 17:11.25 | petemc | aye |
| 17:11.36 | perlmonkey | thanks guys |
| 17:11.41 | petemc | Thu May 24 18:11:21 BST 2007 |
| 17:11.42 | karsten | lws: The biggest factor IMO is to remember to use the non-rewinding device setting if cutting multiple tracks. |
| 17:11.58 | karsten | petemc: Manual cut and paste, the minutes advanced, it's the hours that are significant. |
| 17:12.11 | petemc | i was only rakin.. |
| 17:12.12 | karsten | petemc: and besides, Real People know it's 10:11 ATM. |
| 17:12.13 | perlmonkey | everything is set right, no more annoying msgs about ssl certificates from the future ;-) |
| 17:12.18 | petemc | heh |
| 17:12.45 | petemc | its dinner oclock |
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| 17:13.03 | tarzeau | does someone have ed2k:// and can get me ed2k://|file|ogre_1.4.0-1_i386.deb|9904514|f14fead94bd4132c3129373cc3219e81| ? |
| 17:13.20 | jelly-home | mldonkey? |
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| 17:13.30 | tarzeau | jelly-home: i don't want to run any p2p software here |
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| 17:13.34 | AndyCR | hi, does anyone know of a console command to print a png image? |
| 17:13.41 | biz | how do i compile and install a module for the currently running kernel? (a module included in the kernel sources, so no source package for just this module is available) |
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| 17:14.28 | piztek3 | I can't get my monitor to the proper resolution without getting an out of range OSD from the monitor at login, which sort of prevents me from logging in. |
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| 17:15.05 | karsten | AndyCR: with appropriate magicprint features, just plain lpr may work. |
| 17:15.31 | karsten | piztek3: And it works later? |
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| 17:17.00 | piztek3 | yeah after i login, the screen setting of 60hz refresh rate kicks in |
| 17:17.00 | Overflow | hi all |
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| 17:17.04 | Overflow | how can i access my ntfs partition? |
| 17:17.07 | tarzeau | dpkg -l ogre |
| 17:17.07 | lws | jelly-home: okay, I'll try that :D |
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| 17:17.12 | piztek3 | but as soon as i edit xorg to be a max of 60, the option to make my display 1600x1200 becomes unavailable |
| 17:17.12 | karsten | !ntfs |
| 17:17.15 | lws | karsten: I use /dev/nst0 |
| 17:17.20 | karsten | dpkg dead again? |
| 17:17.27 | jelly-home | !test |
| 17:17.28 | tarzeau | karsten: seems so |
| 17:17.36 | piztek3 | karsten: read what i wrote |
| 17:17.36 | Vasistha | %ntfs |
| 17:17.36 | badgers | ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. Start reading at http://www.linux-ntfs.org/. For the kernel driver, you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html or ask me about <ntfsro>, <ntfsrw>, <ntfs-3g> or <captiventfs> ... the latter is obsoletish. |
| 17:17.48 | Overflow | no guys i have dual boot |
| 17:18.05 | Vasistha | Overflow: that still applies |
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| 17:18.18 | Overflow | oh thx |
| 17:18.22 | tarzeau | any #bub-n-bros .sf.net or sauerbraten players? |
| 17:18.37 | Overflow | im still in transition to DEBIAN yayayay |
| 17:18.42 | karsten | piztek3: Not keeping full track, sorry. |
| 17:18.46 | wols | tarzeau: now THIS is ttoally OT |
| 17:18.53 | piztek3 | scroll up and read, please? |
| 17:19.01 | karsten | piztek3: Saw it. |
| 17:19.06 | karsten | piztek3: Odd. |
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| 17:19.11 | tarzeau | wols: wait debian HAS sauerbraten! :) |
| 17:19.20 | tarzeau | wols: come on, just one line, nobody besides you noticed |
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| 17:19.39 | pegue | any idea why my vnc doesn't acept a second conection?, i'm using xinted listening in a certain port |
| 17:19.51 | wardyx | anyone here uses libnss-pgsql for user authentication? |
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| 17:20.05 | Vasistha | !tell wardyx -about anyone |
| 17:20.05 | karsten | pegue: Are you specifying "share" on the client? |
| 17:20.13 | Vasistha | %tell wardyx -about anyone |
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| 17:20.18 | karsten | Vasistha: dpkg is dead, long live dpkg. |
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| 17:20.49 | karsten | AndyCR: Got a solution yet? |
| 17:20.50 | jelly-home | lws: I haven't played much with tapes on recent kernels, and the little I did I haven't had much luck. My tapes are connected to Windows or Solaris these days. |
| 17:20.58 | karsten | AndyCR: WRT printing images frm cmdline? |
| 17:21.04 | pegue | i've configured it to be used with gdm, so a new conection would be a new session (this is the idea) |
| 17:21.08 | Vasistha | karsten: suddenly I really appreciate the fact that he msg's saying he's completed the task, whereas in the past I've found that somewhat annoying |
| 17:22.09 | jelly-home | %badgers |
| 17:22.09 | badgers | Badgers, Badgers, Badgers, Badgers, Mushroom, Mushroom, Snake !!, or make great gifts, fun for the whole family |
| 17:22.09 | piztek3 | how do I disable GLX/Composite/Beryl |
| 17:22.23 | jelly-home | piztek3: choose another window manager? |
| 17:22.27 | Vasistha | haha! badgers badgers badgers badgers badgers badgers badgers badgers badgers badgers badgers badgers MUSHROOM MUSHROOM :) |
| 17:22.33 | piztek3 | jelly-home, how? |
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| 17:23.16 | jelly-home | piztek3: log off, choose another wm in Session menu of your gdm/kdm, log in |
| 17:23.25 | wardyx | i need help configuring libnss-pgsql and pam-pgsql,can someone help me? |
| 17:23.45 | jelly-home | I killed'im! |
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| 17:23.46 | Vasistha | wardyx: just ask your question! what do you want to configure? |
| 17:23.51 | ehamberg | Hi, is it possible to get a listing of config files that has been changed from the default version? |
| 17:24.16 | cydork | ehamberg: yes check debsums |
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| 17:24.45 | jelly-home | piztek3: was there anything else to choose, btw? |
| 17:25.00 | piztek3 | jelly-home: I don't have options to choose different wm's |
| 17:25.02 | ehamberg | cydork: Thanks! :) |
| 17:25.05 | piztek3 | no, just gnome, kde, etc |
| 17:25.21 | jelly-home | piztek3: ah, so. And which do you use? |
| 17:25.26 | piztek3 | gnome |
| 17:25.56 | jelly-home | piztek3: you'll have to remove beryl from the session in Gnome, then |
| 17:26.10 | jelly-home | piztek3: and possibly run metacity instead |
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| 17:26.27 | piztek3 | in preferences sessions? |
| 17:26.31 | ehamberg | cydork: Wow, that's perfect! Thanks again :) |
| 17:26.33 | jelly-home | piztek3: I don't use Gnome, so don't know what's the nice way to change the window manager |
| 17:26.39 | cydork | ehamberg: no problem :) |
| 17:26.41 | jelly-home | piztek3: ya, I think so |
| 17:27.08 | jelly-home | piztek3: I think there's a "current session" to edit somewhere in there |
| 17:27.09 | HostilePenguin | what do you use jelly? |
| 17:27.15 | piztek3 | so i couldn't play this video game with a composite manager running ever? |
| 17:27.19 | jelly-home | HostilePenguin: xfce |
| 17:27.51 | HostilePenguin | very nice ive been goofing with icewm and a little with enlightenment |
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| 17:28.21 | catlee | Hello |
| 17:28.40 | catlee | How do I go about getting a package added to the main Debian archives? |
| 17:29.07 | jelly-home | HostilePenguin: I've used Afterstep until recently, decided to update to something that knows about taskbars, systrays and stuff a few months ago |
| 17:29.20 | piztek3 | i can't find current session |
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| 17:29.44 | jelly-home | tarzeau: getting ogre*.deb at 1.5KB/s :-| |
| 17:29.45 | wols | catlee: find a sponsor |
| 17:29.55 | piztek3 | er, current session has metacity, but no beryl or compiz |
| 17:30.05 | tarzeau | jelly-home: thanks :) |
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| 17:30.07 | wols | tarzeau: getting software via edonkey? tsk! |
| 17:30.15 | tarzeau | catlee: which package? can i test it? |
| 17:30.21 | catlee | http://atlee.ca/rofs |
| 17:30.25 | tarzeau | wols: try getting it anoterh way |
| 17:30.33 | jelly-home | piztek3: that's funny. Oh well. Are you running beryl now? |
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| 17:30.39 | piztek3 | no |
| 17:30.45 | piztek3 | i think it may be the xorg |
| 17:30.58 | wols | tarzeau: next thing you ask for a MD4 that happens to be vista |
| 17:31.03 | jelly-home | piztek3: why did you want to "disable" it then? |
| 17:31.22 | piztek3 | so that i can play this video game |
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| 17:31.37 | jelly-home | piztek3: if you're not running it, it's disabled |
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| 17:31.57 | piztek3 | jelly-home: but i get an error from wine |
| 17:32.03 | jelly-home | piztek3: what is the exact error you get |
| 17:32.06 | piztek3 | libx GLX |
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| 17:32.23 | jelly-home | piztek3: that's NOT the whole error. |
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| 17:32.28 | piztek3 | one moment |
| 17:32.39 | piztek3 | Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
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| 17:33.11 | jelly-home | piztek3: now see, that has nothing to do with disabling anything... it's already missing :-) |
| 17:33.13 | stickybit` | how to write original vcd? |
| 17:33.22 | piztek3 | lol, but how do i fix it? |
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| 17:34.07 | jelly-home | piztek3: probably depends on whether you're using binary drivers or not |
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| 17:34.31 | xand | stickybit`: explain |
| 17:34.35 | pegue | solved, just had to remove :2 from xinet.d |
| 17:34.46 | jelly-home | piztek3: I don't know how to deal with ati/nvidia issues, using free drivers here |
| 17:35.06 | wols | !vcd |
| 17:35.12 | stickybit` | xand: i have a copyrighted vcd... so k3b is not letting me to write it to another disk |
| 17:35.21 | wols | stickybit`: gentoo wiki has a howto I think |
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| 17:35.44 | wols | stickybit`: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Create_a_VCD_or_SVCD |
| 17:36.04 | piztek3 | it must be the xorg |
| 17:36.17 | piztek3 | well thank you jelly-home |
| 17:36.21 | piztek3 | bbl |
| 17:36.22 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
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| 17:36.31 | HardDisk_WP | how do I debianize a source .tar.gz? |
| 17:36.43 | |HellTiger| | how can i fix this problem http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2005/04/msg00005.html |
| 17:36.43 | Vasistha | %dpkg-buildpackage |
| 17:36.43 | badgers | [dpkg-buildpackage] a program in the dpkg-dev package that builds .debs from source. to make a package without knowing what you're doing, install fakeroot and run 'dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot' in the source directory. |
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| 17:37.09 | HardDisk_WP | the packages are libgpod/gtkpod, but I am not really satisfied w/ the debian version - its compiled w/o mp4 support |
| 17:37.13 | HardDisk_WP | Vasistha, thx |
| 17:37.28 | gpm | HardDisk_WP: there's a marillat version |
| 17:37.33 | gpm | that has what you want |
| 17:37.35 | gpm | iirc |
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| 17:38.14 | AndyCR | thanks, lp worked |
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| 17:38.33 | HardDisk_WP | gpm, i have got the dmm repository..but that version is a bit outdated |
| 17:38.48 | jelly-home | HardDisk_WP: easiest thing to do, if there's no binary version available like gpm suggests, is to do a build yourself but edit the ./configure invocation in debian/rules |
| 17:38.48 | gpm | HardDisk_WP: well gee, at this point you might have to compile it yourself |
| 17:38.56 | stickybit` | wols: it is for avi files |
| 17:39.02 | gpm | or checkinstall |
| 17:39.05 | stickybit` | wols: i have .dat files |
| 17:39.08 | gpm | if it works |
| 17:39.16 | stickybit` | wols: i tried the command |
| 17:39.20 | stickybit` | wols: but failed |
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| 17:39.23 | gpm | you have to go fetch a bunch of -dev packages though :( |
| 17:39.24 | wols | stickybit`: yiz don't want to make an orginal either. you want a copy |
| 17:39.26 | Vasistha | |HellTiger|: did you read /usr/share/doc/kcontrol/README.Debian - as advised in the link you quoted? |
| 17:39.47 | HardDisk_WP | marco@debian:/static/libgpod-0.4.2$ dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot |
| 17:39.47 | HardDisk_WP | dpkg-parsechangelog: error: cannot open debian/changelog to find format: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden |
| 17:39.48 | HardDisk_WP | dpkg-buildpackage: unable to determine source package is |
| 17:39.50 | rep | hi there, i have a little problem with my fresh install here - with the installer i created a raid5 array of 3 disks and on top of that md0 device i used dm_crypt to encrypt it. on this encrypted device i created my rootfs with ext3. installation went fine but the system can't boot as it complains about /dev/mapper/md0_crypt being missing... anybody got a little hint for me? |
| 17:39.51 | HardDisk_WP | Vasistha, doesnt work |
| 17:40.00 | Vasistha | HardDisk_WP: please don't paste in-channel |
| 17:40.01 | jelly-home | HardDisk_WP: apt-get source your-source, edit your-source-*/debian/rules, then build it (dpkg-buildpackage like that badgers said above) |
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| 17:40.18 | gpm | HardDisk_WP: are you on sid? |
| 17:40.28 | HardDisk_WP | distro[Debian lenny/sid] |
| 17:40.35 | jelly-home | HardDisk_WP: did you get upstream source, or debian's? |
| 17:40.38 | gpm | if you upgrade to sid, not that i'm recommending it, but if you do, you'll get the most recent version |
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| 17:40.50 | gpm | that's been packaged |
| 17:40.50 | HardDisk_WP | jelly, the official release .tar.gz from gtkpod.org |
| 17:40.58 | gpm | that's upstream |
| 17:40.59 | gpm | fyi |
| 17:41.02 | HardDisk_WP | okay |
| 17:41.04 | jelly-home | HardDisk_WP: so you don't have debian/ dir at all, probably |
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| 17:41.10 | gpm | !tell me about enter |
| 17:41.26 | HardDisk_WP | jelly, yes, how do I create it with the right content? |
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| 17:41.56 | jelly-home | HardDisk_WP: start from debian's sources (apt-get source gtkpod) and the .diff.gz you get with that. |
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| 17:43.08 | jelly-home | HardDisk_WP: btw, sid has 0.99.8 ... see /msg badgers simple sid backport about how to do a backport if that version is good enough for you |
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| 17:43.16 | rocketmagnet | hi everyone, does someone know why my fresh debian etch install may use 36% of the network resources just for arp packets ?? |
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| 17:43.30 | jelly-home | !tell HardDisk_WP about simple sid backport |
| 17:43.37 | jelly-home | %tell HardDisk_WP about simple sid backport |
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| 17:45.01 | teclo- | sorry but when I do /msg dpkg no public key .... I get no answer |
| 17:45.05 | jelly-home | HardDisk_WP: see that? use "apt-get source gtkpod" without -b instead, then edit debian/rules in there, then do a dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc -us -rfakeroot |
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| 17:45.19 | Ronin | teclo-: look in your status window or in a new one |
| 17:45.24 | jelly-home | %tell teclo- -about no public key |
| 17:45.32 | jelly-home | Ronin: the bot is kaputt |
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| 17:45.37 | Ronin | humm aparently |
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| 17:46.39 | jelly-home | teclo-: use /msg badgers ... instead of /msg dpkg ... in the meantime |
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| 17:47.43 | jelly-home | %snake |
| 17:47.43 | badgers | snake is, like, sticky, creepy, or whispers. See also sco. OOH it's a snaaakee! |
| 17:47.51 | stickybit` | wols: do you know any .dat file converter? |
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| 17:48.06 | teclo- | jelly-home: thank you :) |
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| 17:48.59 | dmlb2000 | wait a minute... I'm confused... sid == unstable, etch == testing, sarge == stable but what's lenny's equivilant? |
| 17:49.19 | Vasistha | dmlb2000: you're out of date. sarge is oldstable; etch is stable; lenny is testing |
| 17:49.20 | schme | dmlb2000: etch = stable, sarge = oldstable. |
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| 17:49.35 | dmlb2000 | Ah, okay thanks... |
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| 17:50.06 | Vasistha | dmlb2000: and in case you didn't know: sid will always be unstable; sid will never be testing. |
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| 17:51.08 | dmlb2000 | Vasistha: yeah I usually run sid... but I was slightly confused about the others... |
| 17:52.23 | lws | jelly-home: so I'm tarring to devnull, and it's going way fast |
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| 17:59.15 | SamWise_TheGreat | where can I download a debian lenny netinst? |
| 17:59.37 | rahul | www.debian.org... DUH |
| 17:59.38 | dondelelcaro | SamWise_TheGreat: just get an etch netinst, install an etch base, and upgrade to lenny. |
| 17:59.51 | rahul | you don't even need to install an etch base, no? |
| 18:00.00 | dondelelcaro | no, you don't, but it's a good idea |
| 18:00.02 | rahul | the installer is the same, you just choose which release |
| 18:00.02 | SamWise_TheGreat | I think I tried etch before and my wireless card didn't work |
| 18:00.15 | rahul | SamWise_TheGreat: then it won't work with lenny either, probably |
| 18:00.21 | dondelelcaro | if your wireless card didn't work, it's not going to work with the lenny installer either. |
| 18:00.28 | SamWise_TheGreat | I just tried a lenny live cd and it worked |
| 18:00.35 | rahul | which means it probably DOES work with etch. you just didn't try hard enough. |
| 18:00.48 | wols | SamWise_TheGreat: where did you get that LiveCD? |
| 18:00.48 | rahul | did you try an etch live cd that is set up the same way? |
| 18:00.50 | SamWise_TheGreat | rahul you could be correct |
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| 18:01.04 | gpm | you know, i booted the mult-arch dvd with the "expert" boot option and it didn't ask me which release to install |
| 18:01.05 | SamWise_TheGreat | rahul nope |
| 18:01.11 | SamWise_TheGreat | http://live.debian.net/ |
| 18:01.21 | gpm | is that only netinst/businesscard images that do that? |
| 18:01.49 | SamWise_TheGreat | cya im gonna install debian |
| 18:01.49 | rahul | gpm: the installer is the installer |
| 18:01.50 | rahul | is the installer |
| 18:01.54 | gpm | weird |
| 18:02.18 | SamWise_TheGreat | before I go may I quickly ask which is best out of ubuntu and debian? |
| 18:02.18 | gpm | i wonder why it didn't ask me then...it does when i used etch 'testing' businesscard isos...back when etch was testing |
| 18:02.29 | gpm | SamWise_TheGreat: that's subjective |
| 18:02.35 | gpm | and dependent on what you're trying to do |
| 18:02.38 | abrotman | gpm: i think the buscard will do that |
| 18:02.40 | Vasistha | gpm: well, the dvd has a whole load of etch software on it, so it would be silly to give that option. |
| 18:02.47 | gpm | yeah |
| 18:02.49 | gpm | that's what i figured |
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| 18:02.59 | gpm | still, if i'm booting with expert... |
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| 18:03.09 | gpm | i just want to use that one dvd for everything |
| 18:03.10 | gpm | save on media |
| 18:03.20 | gpm | because blanks are *so* expensive |
| 18:04.03 | gpm | abrotman: oh you mean the etch buscard? |
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| 18:05.54 | Techdeck | Hello, everytime I install a newer version of grub, it detects the wrong hd, hd(1,0) when in fact it's hd(0,0) |
| 18:05.59 | Techdeck | is there a way to set it defaultly? |
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| 18:06.32 | Vasistha | gpm: well, blank dvd's may be expenside, but blank cd's really aren't so bad ... having a multiarch dvd and a netinst cd is a pretty good pair |
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| 18:07.24 | gpm | yeah, i was kidding |
| 18:07.35 | gpm | revelling in my own silliness |
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| 18:08.57 | abrotman | gpm: i think so |
| 18:09.17 | lepton | Techdeck: perhaps grub is geting hd1,0 from /boot/grub/menu.lst file? |
| 18:09.25 | gpm | that's a good decision i guess...if someone's bothering to get a huge iso of debs, they should use them |
| 18:09.27 | Techdeck | lepton, no, thats where its writing it |
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| 18:09.41 | Techdeck | I changed it to 0,0 |
| 18:09.45 | Techdeck | then installed a new version of grub |
| 18:09.49 | Techdeck | and then it changed it back to 1,0 |
| 18:09.50 | Techdeck | :(\ |
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| 18:11.02 | kth`` | Why does sudo on sid isn't providing autocomplete? Am I supposed to enable something? |
| 18:11.18 | lepton | Techdeck: does the installer prompt you before overwriting /boot/grub/menu.lst? |
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| 18:11.40 | gpm | kth``: i think that's something to do with the shell (bash or whatever)... |
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| 18:11.59 | SamWise_TheGreat | how much swap space do I need if I have 1gb of ram? |
| 18:12.12 | gpm | SamWise_TheGreat: 512's a good bet imho |
| 18:12.22 | SamWise_TheGreat | gpm thanks a lot |
| 18:12.53 | gpm | SamWise_TheGreat: You don't *need* any though...google can give you different opinions |
| 18:13.03 | gpm | but i always just do half the physical ram |
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| 18:13.14 | SamWise_TheGreat | why is that? |
| 18:13.27 | gpm | just a rule of thumb some guru told me when i got started |
| 18:13.43 | gpm | maybe someone else will chime in with their opinion |
| 18:13.48 | kth`` | gpm, great idea, thanks... Had to uncomment stuff in /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 18:14.03 | dondelelcaro | SamWise_TheGreat: it totally depends what you're doing, really. |
| 18:14.11 | SamWise_TheGreat | gpm should I apply the same rule of thumb to windows and its paging file? |
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| 18:14.22 | gpm | kth``: oh you could use the local version: ~/.bashrc |
| 18:14.27 | MoDaX | gpm: rule of thumb is swap = 2x ram :) |
| 18:14.31 | dondelelcaro | SamWise_TheGreat: if you've got copious disk space, 2x ram is perfectly reasonable. |
| 18:14.31 | gpm | unless you want all users to have the same bash-completion |
| 18:14.34 | SamWise_TheGreat | dondelelcaro games, web browsing, irc etc |
| 18:14.39 | gpm | MoDaX: that's your rule |
| 18:14.52 | dondelelcaro | gpm: there's no point in having swap that is less than the physical ram |
| 18:14.58 | gpm | dondelelcaro: why not? |
| 18:15.08 | gpm | i'm not trying to annoying, promise |
| 18:15.26 | SamWise_TheGreat | I have a 200gb hdd so I have enough space |
| 18:15.31 | abrotman | how would you swap it all out if need be ? |
| 18:15.35 | dondelelcaro | gpm: because when you go to use it, instead of just writing memory to it once and again when it changes, you're going to move memory around |
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| 18:15.45 | kth`` | Hmm... I think my aptitude binary is corrupted.... It's emitting garbage to terminal about 1:5 times I run it. And now it even segfaulted on me : |
| 18:15.45 | dondelelcaro | gpm: that makes it far slower than it needs to be |
| 18:16.07 | kth`` | Any way I could check? |
| 18:16.08 | gpm | dondelelcaro: k. i'll have to correct that old guru of mine. |
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| 18:16.18 | gpm | SamWise_TheGreat: sorry for leading you astray |
| 18:16.18 | SamWise_TheGreat | lol |
| 18:16.28 | SamWise_TheGreat | gpm np you were just trying to help |
| 18:16.41 | SamWise_TheGreat | dondelelcaro so how big should I make my swap? |
| 18:16.47 | gpm | 2gb |
| 18:16.48 | gpm | sounds like |
| 18:17.01 | gpm | 2x the physical ram |
| 18:17.09 | SamWise_TheGreat | righty o |
| 18:17.56 | dondelelcaro | SamWise_TheGreat: you can do it 2G, or you can use a swapfile instead; it's really your choice. |
| 18:17.57 | MoDaX | I personally do 1,5x ram if over ram is >= 1gb |
| 18:17.57 | MoDaX | and 2x or more if less |
| 18:17.57 | MoDaX | s/over// |
| 18:18.23 | SamWise_TheGreat | MoDaX so your saying I should make it 1.5gb then |
| 18:18.23 | dondelelcaro | yeah; it really depends what you're using the machine for. If you've got lots of long lived, but seldom used processes, big swap is good. If you've got lots of short lived processes, it won't help |
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| 18:18.43 | dondelelcaro | SamWise_TheGreat: either/or; pick a number, and if you need more later, you can increase it |
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| 18:19.39 | SamWise_TheGreat | dondelelcaro if I play bf2142 on my pc and have gaim, amarok, firestarter, kmix running all at the same time will I need more swap? |
| 18:20.03 | lepton | SamWise_TheGreat: run 'top' in an xterm and look at your swap usage |
| 18:20.11 | dondelelcaro | SamWise_TheGreat: probably not |
| 18:20.34 | SamWise_TheGreat | 0k used |
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| 18:20.47 | SamWise_TheGreat | its allways at 0k used |
| 18:20.57 | SamWise_TheGreat | so I can forget about using swap? |
| 18:21.22 | MoDaX | SamWise_TheGreat: probably because you've no swap now |
| 18:21.32 | SamWise_TheGreat | I have 1gb of swap |
| 18:21.37 | SamWise_TheGreat | im running ubuntu atm |
| 18:21.44 | SamWise_TheGreat | but about to install debian |
| 18:21.50 | rahul | 1 gb will be enough in most any situation |
| 18:22.07 | rahul | more than that, and you're better off killing whatever's hogging memory |
| 18:22.24 | MoDaX | hmm, then weird why swap usage stays at 0 even after a while |
| 18:22.38 | dondelelcaro | MoDaX: it depends what you're running |
| 18:22.38 | rahul | MoDaX: you're not pressuring your system enough |
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| 18:22.49 | rahul | no harm in keeping it around for when it could be useful, tho |
| 18:23.01 | rahul | not like you're going to miss 1 gb on a 200+ gb disk |
| 18:23.14 | WALoeIII | SamWise_TheGreat: Why are you switching to Debian from Ubunto for your desktop? |
| 18:23.24 | SamWise_TheGreat | because debian rocks |
| 18:23.34 | lepton | well said |
| 18:23.35 | rahul | WALoeIII: because he's wise and great |
| 18:23.36 | jeffwheeler | If I decide I want to move /home to a seperate partition so that I can backup easier, can I just use gparted to resize and create a new partition, and then mount it at /home? Or is thee more to it that I don't know about? |
| 18:23.39 | JosefAssad | eh, I did the same. Feisty -> etch |
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| 18:24.01 | jeffwheeler | JosefAssad: me too |
| 18:24.06 | WALoeIII | you do realize Ubuntu is completely derived off of Debian, just with a generally faster release cycle? |
| 18:24.13 | JosefAssad | jeffwheeler: what made you jump? |
| 18:24.13 | SamWise_TheGreat | yes |
| 18:24.25 | zinx | eh, no |
| 18:24.26 | rahul | WALoeIII: derived off debian unstable, what's more! |
| 18:24.36 | rahul | and then hacked left and right |
| 18:24.41 | zinx | Ubuntu has a lot of its own packages/etc that aren't in debian, and a lot of differences in some of the packages |
| 18:24.49 | zinx | so i wouldn't say 'completele derived' |
| 18:24.53 | jeffwheeler | JosefAssad: I had used Debian a lot before; only switched to Ubuntu when Feisty came out; it's really nice, but I like hacking my system more; plus, Ubuntu never gets packages put into the repositories between releases |
| 18:24.56 | jeffwheeler | that drove me nuts |
| 18:25.50 | SamWise_TheGreat | debian is a more universal and stable distribution that will last me for a very long time by the look of it |
| 18:25.58 | WALoeIII | jeffwheeler: that makes sense, I've never used Ubuntu extensively, you want to stay on the edge all the time instead of jumping up to it on a release and sitting for a few months |
| 18:26.04 | SamWise_TheGreat | im just about to uninstall windows for good too |
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| 18:26.11 | JosefAssad | jeffwheeler: for me, was more a combination of a really silly community (can't bloody stand 'em), the fact that there aren'þ that many package maintainers, and that feisty just bogged my whole system down and I have no time to figure out why the system is a pig |
| 18:26.30 | linux_stu | how many dvd's does debian's current release require? |
| 18:26.41 | SamWise_TheGreat | feisty has driver tools that are just too simple |
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| 18:26.44 | cast | linux_stu: 3 [amd64 bin] |
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| 18:26.55 | linux_stu | 3 dvd's is a ton! |
| 18:26.59 | zinx | linux_stu: 0 |
| 18:27.06 | jeffwheeler | Anyways, I think I want to move /home to it's own partition. There's nothing I need to know beyond just repartitioning with gparted and editing the mount points in /etc/fstab? |
| 18:27.06 | MoDaX | linux_stu: internet connection :) |
| 18:27.08 | rahul | linux_stu: 0 |
| 18:27.12 | WALoeIII | netinstall ftw. |
| 18:27.15 | zinx | linux_stu: just use the netinstall stuff |
| 18:27.25 | SamWise_TheGreat | 1 dvd is a ton! netinst ftw! |
| 18:27.28 | Gnea | linux_stu: there are 3 DVD iso's for Debian Stable, currently. |
| 18:27.30 | rahul | installing debian requires 0 floppies, 0 CDs, and 0 DVDs |
| 18:27.36 | linux_stu | what if i screw my install up? |
| 18:27.38 | JosefAssad | linux_stu: no, 3 DVDs is 0.000057 Libraries of Congress. And 0.000057 LoC is five tons. |
| 18:27.48 | WALoeIII | linux_stu: try again. |
| 18:27.49 | zinx | linux_stu: what if you do? the DVDs aren't going to help you with that. |
| 18:27.52 | rahul | linux_stu: what would possess you to screw it up? |
| 18:27.58 | SamWise_TheGreat | bye bye im going to screw up my ubuntu and windows installation now and probably mess up debian too |
| 18:28.02 | linux_stu | fubar my system |
| 18:28.02 | SamWise_TheGreat | cya soon if it works |
| 18:28.17 | MoDaX | linux_stu: 1 dvd is enough to run most popular stuff |
| 18:28.23 | Gnea | there's nothing wrong with burning a few debian dvds |
| 18:28.23 | linux_stu | ok |
| 18:28.36 | MoDaX | err, to install |
| 18:28.37 | jeffwheeler | Okay, I'm gonna create a /home partition and hope I don't kill anything. |
| 18:28.38 | zinx | it's far more efficient to just use the netinstall stuff |
| 18:28.45 | linux_stu | ok i'll do the net stuff |
| 18:28.50 | linux_stu | i've never done it before |
| 18:28.53 | MoDaX | linux_stu: for anything else, you http or ftp apt repositories |
| 18:28.55 | Vasistha | linux_stu: yeah, just do the net install. it's easy |
| 18:28.56 | zinx | the only difference is you need a nice internet connection where you're installing |
| 18:28.57 | Gnea | it's pretty sad when we all rely on internet connections like air |
| 18:29.08 | linux_stu | i can get up to 1.400 kb/s |
| 18:29.08 | Vasistha | linux_stu: you have wired internet, right? Or, you can get it while you do the net install? |
| 18:29.09 | rahul | Gnea: or electricity? |
| 18:29.12 | linux_stu | (1,400 |
| 18:29.13 | rahul | Gnea: or phones? |
| 18:29.13 | MoDaX | Gnea: it's convinient |
| 18:29.14 | linux_stu | i have wired |
| 18:29.15 | WALoeIII | linux_stu: simplest thing to do is put the net install on a CD-R, then you can reboot off that if you bork everyting |
| 18:29.17 | lws | jelly-home: Any idea how to read what buffer state a tape drive is in? |
| 18:29.19 | Gnea | rahul: heh, that's changing |
| 18:29.31 | jeffwheeler | JosefAssad: by the way, one of my favorite things about Ubuntu is GNOME 2.18. It annoys me that I can't have that in Debian so easily. |
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| 18:29.35 | WALoeIII | you can use a USB drive or something, but it can be tricky to be able to boot off it |
| 18:29.39 | Vasistha | linux_stu: yeah, you'll want wired when you do the net install. It's easy -- at least, it's not any more difficult than a dvd install. |
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| 18:29.45 | rahul | reliance on phones is only changing because we CAN rely on the internet more :) |
| 18:29.46 | Gnea | well, phones and electricity have been around for decades |
| 18:29.52 | rahul | Gnea: so has the internet |
| 18:29.56 | DawnLight | what percent of the packages are different from etch to lenny? |
| 18:30.00 | jelly-home | lws: what do you mean by buffer state |
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| 18:30.14 | Gnea | rahul: still, only the foolish rely on it 100% |
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| 18:30.24 | lws | jelly-home: mt has an option to set the buffer mode of the tape drive, but I don't see how to read it. I'm thinking somehow my tape drive got set to unbuffered mode. |
| 18:30.27 | JosefAssad | jeffwheeler: that's where we diverge :) fluxbox here |
| 18:30.29 | rahul | only the foolish rely on anything 100% |
| 18:30.35 | rahul | even air. |
| 18:30.36 | MoDaX | DawnLight: not so many |
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| 18:31.02 | DawnLight | MoDax: i would have thought otherwise 8-/ |
| 18:31.04 | MoDaX | DawnLight: though there is a huge difference between etch and sid |
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| 18:31.09 | Gnea | BCP? |
| 18:31.35 | rahul | business continuity planning |
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| 18:31.56 | Gnea | rahul: preposterous. |
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| 18:32.02 | MoDaX | DawnLight: software takes time to become more less stable |
| 18:32.03 | rahul | postponderous |
| 18:32.22 | linux_stu | ok so for a net install i have a cd with the minimal os and just download any additional packages i want/need? |
| 18:32.33 | MoDaX | linux_stu: yes |
| 18:32.33 | Vasistha | linux_stu: exactly. |
| 18:32.36 | rahul | time takes software to stable its less more becoming. |
| 18:32.37 | gpm | MoDaX: what? |
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| 18:32.41 | linux_stu | that sounds good |
| 18:32.41 | linux_stu | od |
| 18:32.42 | DawnLight | linux_stu: and it's very sweet |
| 18:32.54 | DawnLight | lol |
| 18:33.13 | linux_stu | beats the 3.6gb dvd image i had to download for slackware... |
| 18:33.22 | DawnLight | by far |
| 18:33.39 | gpm | not to mention to 2.4 kernel in smackware |
| 18:33.53 | DawnLight | linux_stu: wait till you check out jigdo |
| 18:34.09 | MoDaX | gpm: ? |
| 18:34.20 | gpm | software takes time to become more less stable ? |
| 18:34.27 | linux_stu | i've been usiong slackware for a number of months |
| 18:34.35 | linux_stu | i think i'm going to give up on it |
| 18:34.41 | gpm | :( |
| 18:34.54 | gpm | i love teh smackware |
| 18:34.55 | MoDaX | yeah, the sentence is probably gramtically wrong |
| 18:34.56 | MoDaX | :) |
| 18:35.02 | purplepenguins | heh |
| 18:35.13 | gpm | !slackware |
| 18:35.14 | linux_stu | i love slacwkare too |
| 18:35.23 | linux_stu | but i want compiz... |
| 18:35.25 | purplepenguins | I haven't ever tried it |
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| 18:35.28 | purplepenguins | it seems so old |
| 18:35.30 | linux_stu | and -current is a pain |
| 18:35.30 | glasserc | Is there a way to tell the Debian installer's guided partitioning to use more space for / and less for /home? |
| 18:35.41 | MoDaX | I mean, it takes time for software to become more or less stable (integration issues, bug and the like) |
| 18:35.50 | MoDaX | bugs* |
| 18:35.50 | gpm | linux_stu: compiz's a breeze in ubuntu, fyi |
| 18:35.58 | linux_stu | noobuntu...ahhhhhhhh |
| 18:36.01 | gpm | aha |
| 18:36.04 | purplepenguins | ubuntu...I don't like it |
| 18:36.07 | gpm | that makes sense |
| 18:36.15 | gpm | shit, now i've done it |
| 18:36.25 | stew | gpm: you meant debian |
| 18:36.29 | linux_stu | i kinda want a package manager is why i switched |
| 18:36.36 | gpm | stew: naturally |
| 18:36.56 | gpm | i actually haven't tried on my debian box |
| 18:36.57 | purplepenguins | I've tried most of the major distros |
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| 18:37.08 | purplepenguins | and Debian is probably my favorite |
| 18:37.27 | purplepenguins | though I am partial to Gentoo too |
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| 18:37.38 | gpm | ~gentoosmite purplepenguins |
| 18:37.40 | apt | ACTION spends 5 days recompiling purplepenguins, and when it's all done, purplepenguins runs no faster than previously |
| 18:37.50 | purplepenguins | there is so much gentoo bashing |
| 18:37.55 | gpm | hehe |
| 18:38.06 | purplepenguins | that I don't understand |
| 18:38.09 | jeffwheeler | Gparted always seems to take forever on this disk; it works for all others I've tried, but it sits for an extremly long time "Scanning all devices" here... |
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| 18:38.50 | gpm | jeffwheeler: have you tried fdisk or cfdisk? |
| 18:38.58 | jeffwheeler | Yeah, I'm using fdisk now. |
| 18:39.06 | gpm | and it works ok? |
| 18:39.16 | purplepenguins | I got tired of compiling everything so I switched back to Debian for a while |
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| 18:39.26 | jeffwheeler | Yeah; it's just easier to resize disks with a GUI, 'cause I'm lazy. ;) |
| 18:39.29 | Jacob_H | gparted doesn't seem to like audio disks being in the CD drives, which might also cause the problems |
| 18:39.35 | MoDaX | fdisk does not support resizing |
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| 18:39.39 | gpm | jeffwheeler: file a bug for gparted then? or check out the bts at least |
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| 18:40.03 | MoDaX | I would use plain 'parted' |
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| 18:40.13 | gpm | MoDaX: good call |
| 18:40.17 | gpm | i forgot about that program |
| 18:40.20 | gpm | hehe |
| 18:40.24 | jeffwheeler | gpm: yeah, not exactly sure what might be causing the problem; it's a pretty standard (somewhat old) Dell |
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| 18:40.31 | jeffwheeler | huh, never heard of 'parted'? |
| 18:40.42 | gpm | jeffwheeler: gparted's is a frontend for parted |
| 18:40.43 | Jacob_H | jeffwheeler: does your computer have a floppy drive? |
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| 18:41.13 | jeffwheeler | Jacob_H: not installed; there's a slot for one |
| 18:42.03 | Jacob_H | jeffwheeler: if the BIOS settings include a floppy but it's not physically installed, then that can cause GParted to spend ages scanning the disks |
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| 18:42.31 | jeffwheeler | Jacob_H: I bet that's it. I'm gonna go play with that. Thanks. :) |
| 18:42.46 | truk77 | hi all, I have a question about mounting removable drives. I've noticed that ubuntu has a way of referring to drives by a uuid value. Is that possible to do in debian etch? |
| 18:42.48 | Gnea | jeffwheeler: is that a dimension? |
| 18:42.53 | kali67 | hello all, I'm unable to do the following - echo 1 >/sys/block/sda/device/allow_restart |
| 18:42.53 | kali67 | I get permission denied. I need to set this for the Ext HD to work properly . Any suggestions how ? |
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| 18:43.00 | jeffwheeler | Gnea: yep, about 2-3 years old |
| 18:43.05 | gpm | truk77: yes |
| 18:43.13 | gpm | truk77: there are countless guides online |
| 18:43.14 | Gnea | jeffwheeler: warranty still good? |
| 18:43.15 | MoDaX | truk77: yes. it's standard HAL uuid |
| 18:43.19 | jeffwheeler | Gnea: nope |
| 18:43.29 | Gnea | jeffwheeler: cool |
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| 18:43.46 | gpm | ls /dev/disk/by_uuid or somesuch, right? |
| 18:43.55 | Taza | Okay. So, I'm trying this again. |
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| 18:44.08 | Taza | What do I need to get sound working from a standard install? |
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| 18:44.16 | gpm | Taza: hi |
| 18:44.21 | MoDaX | Taza: unmute |
| 18:44.22 | Taza | I've found nothing describing all the necessary steps |
| 18:44.26 | MoDaX | :) |
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| 18:44.37 | Taza | MoDaX: Wrong. |
| 18:44.47 | Gnea | jeffwheeler: yeah, disabling the floppy in the bios will probably get it working right |
| 18:45.02 | gpm | Taza: lsmod|grep snd |
| 18:45.04 | gpm | see anything? |
| 18:45.10 | Taza | No |
| 18:45.20 | Taza | I've reinstalled debian today |
| 18:45.26 | gpm | ok. run alsaconf and then re-run lsmod|grep snd |
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| 18:45.38 | Taza | "alsaconf: command not found" |
| 18:45.44 | gpm | so go get it |
| 18:45.48 | gpm | alsa-utils or something |
| 18:45.51 | gpm | apt-get install |
| 18:45.58 | Jacob_H | gpm: don't you need to be root to run it? |
| 18:46.02 | Taza | I haven't installed the "desktop system" package, only the standard install. What packages do I need? |
| 18:46.03 | Taza | I am root. |
| 18:46.07 | Gnea | Taza: run alsaconf |
| 18:46.15 | gpm | Gnea: he can't |
| 18:46.18 | gpm | it's not installed |
| 18:46.24 | Taza | I don't have alsaconf. I don't have ALSA. |
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| 18:46.37 | Gnea | then install alsa-utils |
| 18:46.37 | gpm | uname -r? |
| 18:47.00 | gpm | apt-get install alsa-utils |
| 18:47.03 | Taza | I could use all the packages I need to get alsa working |
| 18:47.15 | gpm | alsa-utils should cover it |
| 18:47.20 | gpm | the actual drivers are in the kernel |
| 18:47.34 | gpm | unless for some weird reason you're running 2. |
| 18:47.36 | gpm | 4 |
| 18:47.42 | Gnea | Taza: blanketing installs will only cause more problems than they will solve. |
| 18:48.24 | gpm | what's up with dpkg ? |
| 18:48.28 | Taza | Do I need to somehow add the correct module somewhere? |
| 18:48.32 | Taza | Or will alsaconf do that for me? |
| 18:48.37 | gpm | Taza: alsaconf should |
| 18:48.38 | DawnLight | linux_stu: i saw your line on the package manager. i want to tell you that i've seen nothing like aptitude. nothing. |
| 18:48.44 | Gnea | alsaconf will tell you something |
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| 18:48.50 | Taza | ... such as? |
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| 18:48.54 | Gnea | what it tells you. |
| 18:48.57 | Gnea | try it and find out |
| 18:49.08 | Taza | "Result: Ok" in most cases. I know all the info about my soundcard btw. |
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| 18:49.17 | Gnea | that's nice. |
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| 18:49.30 | MoDaX | udev should have already loaded drivers |
| 18:49.32 | gpm | Taza: have you run alsaconf yet? |
| 18:49.41 | Taza | I know the correct driver, dma, irq, ports, etc. But, I don't know how to get 'em working. |
| 18:49.44 | Taza | Installing as we speak. |
| 18:49.50 | gpm | k |
| 18:50.09 | Gnea | Taza: the nice thing about 2.6 kernels, udev and alsa is that you don't need to worry about all of that nonsense. |
| 18:50.16 | Taza | I wish. |
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| 18:50.28 | gpm | Gnea: well, he still needs alsa-utils to unmute pcm and master |
| 18:50.28 | Gnea | only because you haven't actually done it |
| 18:50.39 | Gnea | gpm: yeah |
| 18:50.54 | Bushmills | Gnea: assuming PCI sound chip/card |
| 18:51.10 | gpm | he's isa |
| 18:51.14 | Gnea | looks like dpkg smoked some high-grade crack today |
| 18:51.14 | gpm | i remember from yesterday |
| 18:51.22 | Gnea | ah |
| 18:51.23 | Bushmills | that makes a difference |
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| 18:51.27 | Taza | Yeah, isa es1878 card. Set to non-pnp. |
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| 18:51.59 | Gnea | might need pnputils installed then |
| 18:52.24 | gpm | Taza: or skip all the trouble and get a nice cheap pci card |
| 18:52.31 | Taza | gpm: It's a laptop |
| 18:52.35 | gpm | oh yeah |
| 18:52.37 | gpm | forgot that |
| 18:52.38 | gpm | :P |
| 18:52.39 | Gnea | Taza: better to set it to pnp-mode if you can. if you tell the kernel to route irq's, then it'll automagically figure it out and prevent irq conflicts from occurring. |
| 18:52.48 | DawnLight | looks like i migrated to linux in a good time. i've never used a 2.4 kernel |
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| 18:52.54 | Taza | The irq's 5, it's not conflicting. :P |
| 18:53.05 | gpm | DawnLight: it wasn't *so* bad |
| 18:53.08 | Gnea | 5 tends to like to conflict... what laptop is it? |
| 18:53.16 | gpm | and 2.6 has its problems |
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| 18:53.19 | Bushmills | parport is often on 5 |
| 18:53.26 | Taza | Some scenic, never found out it's exact make. |
| 18:55.36 | Gnea | Bushmills: 7 by default |
| 18:55.36 | DawnLight | gpd: didn't mean to insult it |
| 18:55.36 | gpm | DawnLight: i know |
| 18:55.36 | Gnea | Taza: there isn't a sticker or plate on the bottom? |
| 18:55.36 | gpm | you know about tab completion right? |
| 18:55.36 | WALoeIII | what is atd do in /etc/rc3.d/ |
| 18:55.36 | truk77 | gpm:thanks for the uuid heads up...do you happen to know if the 2.6.x kernel is a requirement? |
| 18:55.37 | WALoeIII | what is the daemon for? |
| 18:55.37 | MoDaX | 2.4 was good (for servers) |
| 18:55.37 | gpm | truk77: yeah, because hal needs 2.6 iirc |
| 18:55.37 | DawnLight | tell me about tab completion |
| 18:55.37 | gpm | truk77: but don't quote me on that |
| 18:55.37 | abrotman | !tell DawnLight about nicktab |
| 18:55.37 | gpm | abrotman: dpkg is high or something |
| 18:55.38 | Taza | Should have thought of that myself |
| 18:55.38 | truk77 | gpm: thanks, looks like I get to upgrade :] |
| 18:55.38 | gpm | reticent |
| 18:55.38 | MoDaX | it lacked automagic on the desktop |
| 18:55.39 | Taza | Siemens-Nixdorf Scenic Mobile 320 |
| 18:55.39 | Gnea | WALoeIII: apt-cache show `dpkg -S /usr/sbin/atd` |
| 18:55.39 | abrotman | gpm: you mean napping ? |
| 18:55.39 | gpm | truk77: from what, the default kernel is 2.6.18 |
| 18:55.39 | gpm | abrotman: i guess...i don't know |
| 18:55.39 | gpm | i'm confused |
| 18:55.39 | Gnea | oops |
| 18:55.39 | DawnLight | who T F is ryuzaki and where is dpkg? and it didn't tell me anything abrotman |
| 18:55.40 | abrotman | gpm: for howlong ? |
| 18:55.40 | truk77 | gpm: I recently upgraded from sarge...I didn't touch the kernel yet |
| 18:55.40 | Taza | You know, Debian is starting to resemble Windows more and more. |
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| 18:55.41 | abrotman | ~ops please ban ryuzaki who also answers to ! in the channel |
| 18:55.48 | apt | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: please ban ryuzaki who also answers to ! in the channel |
| 18:55.48 | gpm | abrotman: at least an hour or two |
| 18:55.49 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: dpkg is napping again |
| 18:55.49 | Taza | Because a reformat fixed it. |
| 18:55.50 | Gnea | WALoeIII: i meant this: apt-cache show `dpkg -S /usr/sbin/atd | awk '{print $1}' | sed -e 's/://g'` |
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| 18:56.17 | DawnLight | Taza: i've heard they are planning on a bouncy thing that explains stuff throughout the instalation |
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| 18:56.29 | gpm | and horrible music |
| 18:56.36 | abrotman | LoRez: thank you |
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| 18:57.45 | purplepenguins | just what the installer needs, bad music |
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| 18:58.08 | Taza | How did I find process ID number for a program? |
| 18:58.14 | Gnea | bad music to tell you that the speakers are working |
| 18:58.15 | gpm | ps ax |
| 18:58.20 | Gnea | ps axf |
| 18:58.33 | Taza | And what'd be the mp3 player using the least power? |
| 18:58.34 | MoDaX | Taza: ps aux or pidof <name> |
| 18:58.40 | DawnLight | i like the music that comes with some of the cracks/keygens that these groups make for windows apps/games |
| 18:58.52 | abrotman | Taza: pidof |
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| 18:59.02 | Roey | Anyone having a problem with Jed not fontifying? I didn't see it on the BTS at all. |
| 18:59.15 | Roey | But for me, on debian sid/ia32, it doesn't fontify. |
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| 18:59.21 | Roey | as of the latest upgrade. |
| 18:59.54 | Taza | I have a Pentium 166mhz, 32mb ram - I have a feeling mpg321 might be too heavy |
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| 19:01.08 | jeffwheeler | Disabling the floppy drive worked wonders. Yay! |
| 19:01.08 | Gnea | mp3's are for simpletons. ogg vorbis is where it's at. |
| 19:01.08 | DawnLight | wow, Taza, you must be good with hardware maintenance ;) |
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| 19:01.10 | Taza | What's that supposed to mean, anyway? |
| 19:01.13 | jovans | can i boot the netiso via usbstick? |
| 19:01.35 | rahul | Taza: mpg123 with mmx opt will definitely work on that |
| 19:01.35 | Daveman | Hello abrotman :) |
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| 19:01.53 | broken | Yea my de bina installation failed again. |
| 19:01.54 | broken | debian* |
| 19:01.56 | rahul | Taza: but sound quality suffers with mpg123 |
| 19:01.56 | Taza | And alsa has *lost* my soundcard after reboot. What's up with that? |
| 19:02.08 | rahul | your card is gone? |
| 19:02.11 | gpled | how do i install dos2unix on debian? maybe it is another name on debian system? |
| 19:02.12 | rahul | poof? |
| 19:02.12 | gpm | haha |
| 19:02.25 | gpm | rahul: come now, no need to counter-productive |
| 19:02.27 | Taza | Well, alsamixer is reporting it doesn't find a soundcard now. |
| 19:02.31 | rahul | that's some impressive software if it can make hardware disappaear |
| 19:02.32 | jeffwheeler | Since that was answered so well, I've got another question. Whenever I have my USB printer (HP PSC 1600, three-in-one thing) plugged in when I boot, the machine refuses to startup; if I unplug it it'll get past the BIOS, and if I plug it back in afterwards, it'll also hang once GRUB is finished and the first couple of Debian's boot process get printed. |
| 19:02.45 | rahul | Taza: maybe you didn't set up the drivers to load on boot? |
| 19:02.52 | Bushmills | gpled: plenty of alike tools., one is tofrodos |
| 19:02.52 | Taza | How would I do that? |
| 19:03.01 | Bushmills | gpled: but you could use just plain sed for it |
| 19:03.04 | rahul | Taza: modconf |
| 19:03.04 | gpm | Taza: add the proper modules to /etc/modules.conf |
| 19:03.11 | gpm | rahul: ugh, really? |
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| 19:03.16 | rahul | I dunno |
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| 19:03.28 | rahul | when I used to use modules for things I wanted all the time, that's what I used |
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| 19:03.41 | Taza | Just open /etc/modules.conf with nano and add the wanted module in the end of it? |
| 19:03.46 | gpm | Taza: yeah. |
| 19:03.46 | rahul | then I knocked some sense into myself and just compiled them in |
| 19:03.51 | rahul | er |
| 19:03.52 | MoDaX | Taza: /etc/modules |
| 19:03.59 | gpm | MoDaX: my bad |
| 19:04.06 | gpm | Taza: MoDaX is right |
| 19:04.13 | gpm | /etc/modules |
| 19:04.27 | Taza | Already done & rebooting. |
| 19:04.36 | Taza | ... at least I *think* it's snd-es18xx. |
| 19:04.47 | rahul | seems plausible |
| 19:04.50 | gpm | Taza: well we'll find out won't we |
| 19:04.55 | MoDaX | Taza: no reboot needed. modprobe snd-es18xx |
| 19:05.07 | gpm | MoDaX: he wants to be sure they're loaded on boot |
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| 19:05.15 | MoDaX | ah, ok |
| 19:05.54 | abrotman | hi Daveman |
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| 19:06.49 | gpm | Taza: what's the status? |
| 19:07.24 | Taza | Seems to work, wondering now if the problem with mpg321 was just that time, or if it just won't work with this laptop |
| 19:07.30 | Vasistha | Taza: generally, the only time you'll ever need to reboot is 1) if you install a new kernel 2) if you change your hard drive partition table 3) some very unusual things like blocked i/o ... reboot is generally not needed for detection of devices, installation or update of any programs, etc. |
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| 19:07.54 | Taza | It IS required for testing if a bootup change works tho. :p |
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| 19:07.59 | stew | i'm outa here for 2 weeks, be cool... |
| 19:08.06 | Vasistha | Taza: heh, yeah, that is true :) |
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| 19:08.12 | gpm | bye stew |
| 19:08.13 | Vasistha | stew: have fun! |
| 19:08.19 | stew | !tell stew about away |
| 19:08.28 | rahul | later stew |
| 19:08.30 | Vasistha | heh, dpkg is offline :) |
| 19:08.31 | abrotman | stew: have fun! |
| 19:08.42 | rahul | be sure to come back! :P |
| 19:08.55 | abrotman | okay .. now that stew is gone .. let the debauchery begin! |
| 19:08.55 | Taza | Okay, mpg321 ain't working. |
| 19:09.03 | Taza | How would I find mpg123 with mmx optimizations? |
| 19:09.32 | cast | isn't mpg123 nonfree? |
| 19:09.34 | gpm | Taza: what do you mean not woorking? |
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| 19:09.42 | JenniferKolbe | hi |
| 19:09.42 | Taza | It freezes when I try to play something |
| 19:09.43 | gpm | cast: i think so |
| 19:09.47 | gpm | ~info mpg123 |
| 19:09.57 | Taza | I have a feeling that has something to do with the 166mhz processor and 32mb ram |
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| 19:10.55 | gpled | strange. apt-get install tofrodos does not seem to install it |
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| 19:11.06 | gpled | puts docs in |
| 19:11.07 | gpm | Taza: you'd probably have to compile mpg123 yourself to optomize....would it help you? |
| 19:11.24 | rahul | Taza: hrm, you can try the 486 optimized binaries |
| 19:11.30 | JenniferKolbe | when i for example install debian etch stable on virtualbox with 8GBs is it possible to create a on a new partition from the 8GBs where i can build a linux from scratch |
| 19:11.33 | DawnLight | about 234 out of 4611 files in the first DVD have not changed from etch to lenny, according to some playing around with jigdo |
| 19:11.52 | DDubya | Say I've got a mail server with 20 home directorys, all with a SPAM folder located in /home/*/Maildir/. How can I do a mass deletion of these folders and recreate a different folder, under each directory? |
| 19:12.07 | Taza | How would I install such an optimized version? |
| 19:12.14 | rahul | with apt |
| 19:12.20 | dondelelcaro | DDubya: you'd do it with find |
| 19:12.32 | Taza | Oh, I had absolutely no idea. |
| 19:12.35 | JenniferKolbe | or better asked can i create grub |
| 19:12.40 | DDubya | You can delete with find? |
| 19:12.51 | rahul | DDubya: if you delete in the -exec arg |
| 19:13.11 | DDubya | rahul: what about creating new directories? |
| 19:13.12 | gpm | basically, you need to man find |
| 19:13.22 | DDubya | gpm: I was plannign that =) |
| 19:13.28 | Taza | *pokes rahul* How would I find an optimized version? |
| 19:13.32 | groton | hello wols :) I just tryed with a different router (an adsl modem router by Kraun), and i discovered that what you said me yesterday evening was right :) The route "192.168.16.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0" is enough to reach any LAN hosts of 192.168.16.x :) |
| 19:13.37 | rahul | DDubya: you can do two separate -exec args and it will invoke the two different commands with {} repaced with the matching file in each one |
| 19:13.43 | dondelelcaro | DDubya: something like find /home -wholename '/home/*/Maildir' -type d -maxdepth 2 -mindepth 2 -print0|xargs -0 rm -rf; |
| 19:13.45 | gpm | DDubya: cool, i don't want to be a dick, but sometimes the manpage is necessary, not just because i'm lazy |
| 19:13.53 | rahul | Taza: read the user manual for aptitude |
| 19:14.04 | rahul | Taza: or fiddle around... "/" searches |
| 19:14.10 | DDubya | gpm: hahah No offense taken, man |
| 19:14.15 | dondelelcaro | DDubya: but read man find; man xargs; before running that command, so that you understand what exactly I've written. |
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| 19:14.20 | JenniferKolbe | !virtualbox |
| 19:14.57 | DDubya | dondelelcar: thanks!! |
| 19:15.23 | Bushmills | Taza: on a machine with similar specs, i had the rplay daemon, and let an audio player run remotely, on a machine without sound card. this requires being on a network. though. |
| 19:15.34 | DDubya | dondelelcaro: would it be /home/*/Maildir or /home*/Maildir/.SPAM ?? |
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| 19:15.40 | Taza | I won't even always have 'net available on this box. |
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| 19:16.03 | dondelelcaro | DDubya: it's be /home/*/Maildir/.SPAM and probably -maxdepth 3, -mindepth 3 |
| 19:16.26 | dondelelcaro | (you may also want to use rm -i, if it's a small number of directories) |
| 19:16.28 | piztek3 | I get an error when using wine, that i've never gotten before, Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0"., does anyone know how to fix this? |
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| 19:17.14 | itchi | I have again reach my ISP limit, wtf, i'm on my monthly 12 GB limit traffic. Heh, someone a fix?? :-) |
| 19:17.30 | dondelelcaro | itchi: switch isps |
| 19:17.41 | Ronin | itchi: yep, stop dling all that porn |
| 19:17.49 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Yeah, of country probably, these are all that stupid here :-( |
| 19:17.53 | Bushmills | itchi: upgrade |
| 19:18.02 | dondelelcaro | itchi: is this .au? |
| 19:18.03 | itchi | s/stupid/smart/ yeah! |
| 19:18.11 | itchi | dondelelcaro: No .be :-( |
| 19:18.13 | DawnLight | piztek: perhaps you need to install some more wine packages? perhaps problem with the graphics card driver you have (check outside of wine) |
| 19:18.21 | DawnLight | piztek3 |
| 19:18.27 | piztek3 | yes |
| 19:18.39 | gpm | Taza: there are other mp3 players to try... |
| 19:18.40 | itchi | My first month that i'm on 12 GB too. Before it was 10 GB download and 2 GB upload, wtf |
| 19:18.47 | gpm | Taza: maybe mplayer will work? iono |
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| 19:19.06 | gpm | someone call the waambulence |
| 19:19.07 | itchi | 3 weeks left, to get be reset, wtf, im sad :-( |
| 19:19.17 | Taza | What was the frontend with the lists to apt? |
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| 19:19.27 | Bushmills | itchi: reduce traffic: install a web proxy, for example |
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| 19:19.59 | itchi | Bushmills: I use apt-proxy already for the packages too, i not download p2p stuff, just only *nice* Free stuff :-) |
| 19:20.01 | Taza | aptitude is a bit too difficult for me. |
| 19:20.03 | gpm | Taza: what do you mean, lists to apt? |
| 19:20.20 | itchi | Taza: Read the man, aptitude is ways to great man, believe it ;-) |
| 19:20.32 | Bushmills | itchi: apt-proxy saves traffic only when installing to more than one machine |
| 19:20.44 | gpm | Taza: aptitude is pretty simple, but there's also synaptic if you're in X |
| 19:20.50 | itchi | Bushmills: 9 machines here :-) |
| 19:21.02 | dx | I just installed debian 4.0 and it seems that vim was updated to version 7. By default it has bracket's highlight. anyone knows how can I disable ? |
| 19:21.03 | DawnLight | Taza: aptitude is great, it's intuitive, i havn't even read the manual |
| 19:21.03 | Bushmills | but web proxy saves per page/site accessed multiple times |
| 19:21.32 | itchi | Taza: Tried to read (several times) /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README ? |
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| 19:21.40 | Taza | Synaptic was the one I was searching for, but I just remembered why I didn't touch it. |
| 19:21.52 | itchi | Bushmills: Yeah, i gona look for that too, thanks for the tip :-) |
| 19:22.03 | Bushmills | itchi: turn of features like, for example, page preload with popular firefox extensions |
| 19:22.07 | Taza | Ah, now that's way easier. |
| 19:22.08 | Bushmills | off |
| 19:22.28 | Taza | Any program I can quickly test the sound with? I still have no idea if it works. |
| 19:22.35 | itchi | Bushmills: Yeah, the problems is all the nice CD's/DVD's we can fetch hehe :-) |
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| 19:22.38 | Bushmills | itchi: and disable graphics |
| 19:22.45 | Vasistha | DawnLight: /usr/share/aptitude/README is great -- especially the part on filtering and searching with '~' params |
| 19:22.49 | glasserc | Taza: http://www.hermann-uwe.de/ recently wrote about various audio players on a low-powered system. |
| 19:22.56 | lepton | dx: the system vimrc is /etc/vim/vimrc |
| 19:23.25 | Bushmills | oh. cd download. repeat your question please? |
| 19:23.25 | itchi | Bushmills: 'Browsing' the web is verry light :-) Just all the stuff, and i still find that i not use the web that much. Compared to others |
| 19:23.31 | DawnLight | Vasistha: thanks, i'll look it |
| 19:23.48 | dx | lepton, yes but it's commented by default in set showmatch |
| 19:24.05 | itchi | Bushmills: I need to fix my cr*p ISP, get higher limit :-) |
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| 19:24.52 | itchi | And i got some lag's too :-( |
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| 19:25.31 | Bushmills | itchi: what part, or city? |
| 19:25.59 | itchi | Bushmills: Just arround Brussels, Sint-Pieters-Leeuw |
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| 19:26.13 | itchi | Bushmills: It is 'telenet' as ISP |
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| 19:26.46 | itchi | Bushmills: I upgrade my IPS of 1 GB == 1 euro :-s |
| 19:27.00 | itchi | Chances that i have that option :-) |
| 19:27.02 | ChaosR | /msg dpkg etch->lenny does nothing |
| 19:27.20 | itchi | ChaosR: Are you identified to the freenode network? |
| 19:27.27 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: dpkg is seemingly unresponsive |
| 19:27.28 | ChaosR | itchi: yes |
| 19:27.31 | Bushmills | sorry, don't know a recommendable isp in .be. had telekabel in NL, they became chello and are not first choice anymore. |
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| 19:28.16 | ChaosR | !etch->lenny |
| 19:28.20 | ChaosR | !selftell |
| 19:28.21 | itchi | Bushmills: Yeah, i may need to wait some more years. I can not believe it, we are the only country here around that are that stupid about the ISP's :-( |
| 19:28.36 | ChaosR | what are the backup bots? |
| 19:28.40 | itchi | !test |
| 19:29.04 | itchi | ChaosR: Wait that the bot is again fresh ;-) |
| 19:29.10 | itchi | ChaosR: apt |
| 19:29.20 | itchi | ~apt: test |
| 19:29.28 | apt | Test Passed! |
| 19:29.33 | itchi | arg, that tilde :-p |
| 19:29.35 | itchi | oh! :-) |
| 19:29.47 | ChaosR | ~apt: etch->lenny |
| 19:29.49 | gpm | aw, apt is nicer than dpkg, tests always fail with him |
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| 19:30.20 | gpm | ChaosR: are you trying to upgrade? |
| 19:30.27 | ChaosR | gpm: yes |
| 19:30.27 | Bushmills | itchi: don't believe that. ireland is bad too. |
| 19:30.33 | itchi | Is there such magic ways to compress general web traffic? |
| 19:30.39 | ChaosR | gpm: well not *me* but my server |
| 19:30.54 | itchi | Bushmills: Sid screw my limit too :-s |
| 19:31.01 | ChaosR | gpm: I'm already on lenny |
| 19:31.10 | ofirg_ | hi |
| 19:31.23 | gpm | ChaosR: nano /etc/apt/sources.list, s/etch/lenny/g, apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 19:31.34 | ofirg_ | anyone know hwo to setup exim? It is writen to use debconf, but what are the arguments? |
| 19:31.41 | ChaosR | gpm: I did that already |
| 19:31.45 | gpm | dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 19:31.49 | gpm | ChaosR: then, it's running lenny |
| 19:31.49 | ChaosR | gpm: but it still says I'm using etch |
| 19:31.56 | abrotman | !poutine |
| 19:32.00 | abrotman | darn bot |
| 19:32.06 | abrotman | aptitude: poutine |
| 19:32.06 | aptitude | http://www.xavinho.online.fr/travels/america/montreal/poutine.jpg or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poutine |
| 19:32.08 | abrotman | yay! |
| 19:32.14 | itchi | ofirg_: btw, look for configure-debian to have a /easy/ way for dpkg-reconfigure * |
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| 19:32.27 | gpm | ChaosR: huh, your /etc/debian_versions hould have been upgraded |
| 19:32.28 | gpm | i think |
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| 19:32.35 | gpm | in any event, don't worry. |
| 19:32.43 | poutine | Every single time I leave X (Debian 4.0 x86_64 w/ ATI AGP X800XT), my system freezes up, I don't see anything significant in the Xorg or messages that would signal what would cause this. What's the normal course of action to fix this? (Works fine on FreeBSD 6.x) |
| 19:32.47 | gpm | if your sources.list is all lenny and you've dist-upgraded, it's lenny |
| 19:32.57 | poutine | I'm using the fglrx driver, but this was crashing long before that with X |
| 19:32.58 | itchi | abrotman: I go for a pizza :-p |
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| 19:33.16 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 19:33.17 | ChaosR | gpm: there is no file called /etc/debian_versions |
| 19:33.28 | HardDisk_WP | the gtkpod package from lenny refuses to build me |
| 19:33.35 | HardDisk_WP | display.c: In function 'on_ipod_directories_menu': |
| 19:33.35 | HardDisk_WP | display.c:1178: error: 'iTunesDB' has no member named 'mountpoint' |
| 19:33.42 | HardDisk_WP | built with apt-build install gtkpod |
| 19:33.55 | ChaosR | gpm: /etc/debian_version says lenny/sid |
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| 19:34.04 | JenniferKolbe | hi, how do install kde with netinstall aptitude install xorg kdm kde-base and ??? |
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| 19:34.15 | itchi | abrotman: heh, french fries, wtf, Belgium fries heh |
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| 19:34.46 | HardDisk_WP | !de? |
| 19:34.48 | HardDisk_WP | !de |
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| 19:35.03 | cast | JenniferKolbe: how about aptitude install kde? |
| 19:35.23 | JenniferKolbe | and thats it then together with the other pachages ? |
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| 19:35.36 | Vasistha | ChaosR: yeah, he made a typo, you might have noticed that 's' should have been attached to 'hould' |
| 19:35.37 | JenniferKolbe | !de is #debian-de |
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| 19:35.41 | cast | yip. you want xorg too though |
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| 19:35.59 | JenniferKolbe | okidoki, thanx ;D |
| 19:36.05 | poutine | :( |
| 19:36.08 | ChaosR | Vasistha: without the s it says lenny/sid, but the thing still claims i'm running etch |
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| 19:36.22 | kali67 | Hello all, I have an Ext USB HD which powers down and that make my Debian Linux mount it read only . The fix that I found suggests that I should do echo 1 >/sys/block/sda/device/allow_restart . but when I tried that I keep getting permission denied. Yes, I'm logged in as root |
| 19:36.22 | Taza | Okay, it doesn't find /dev/dsp now. Still clueless. |
| 19:36.22 | duns_s | hi, if i use mdadm --create /dev/md1 --level=1 --raid-devices=2 /dev/sda1 /dev/hda4, it won't destroy /dev/sda1, but resync hda4 to it, or not? |
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| 19:37.24 | gpm | ChaosR: have you rebooted since dist-upgrade |
| 19:37.26 | ChaosR | kali67: had the same problem, drivers aren't correct or something |
| 19:37.33 | ChaosR | gpm: no, it's a server |
| 19:37.45 | gpm | ChaosR: if/when you reboot, it'll probably be fixed |
| 19:37.51 | ChaosR | gpm: oki |
| 19:38.07 | gpm | ChaosR: yeah, relax, it's lenny alright |
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| 19:38.16 | kali67 | ChaosR: drive works fine under other OS - Windows and Mac |
| 19:38.24 | ChaosR | kali67: correct |
| 19:38.36 | ChaosR | kali67: I had the exact same problem yesterday |
| 19:39.11 | kali67 | ChaosR: do you also have the FreeAgent Seagate HD ? |
| 19:39.16 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: bot dead |
| 19:39.27 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, i see :( |
| 19:39.36 | ChaosR | kali67: no, I had a WD Passport 160GB |
| 19:39.47 | Taza | Repeating: madplay gives a "no /dev/dsp" error. Roughly. |
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| 19:40.18 | cahoot | Taza: does it exist? |
| 19:40.23 | Taza | cahoot: No |
| 19:40.34 | gpm | Taza: you need to get the oss emulation modules then |
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| 19:40.40 | Taza | Install alsa-oss? |
| 19:40.41 | cahoot | Taza: does sound work at all? |
| 19:40.44 | itchi | abrotman: (Even tried french fries vs Belgium?) |
| 19:40.47 | ChaosR | Taza: apt-get install aoss |
| 19:40.49 | Taza | cahoot: I have no idea how to test. |
| 19:40.57 | abrotman | itchi: huh ? |
| 19:41.01 | cahoot | Taza: etch or what? |
| 19:41.06 | ChaosR | Taza: after that: aoss <program> |
| 19:41.09 | Taza | Latest, whatever that is. |
| 19:41.10 | gpm | aplay awav.file |
| 19:41.18 | slakmagik | what possible reason could there be for my dpkg and aptitude logs to have been truncated to May 1st and how do I possibly STOP this? |
| 19:41.20 | itchi | abrotman: Yeah, sorry, OT :-p |
| 19:41.24 | Taza | I have only mp3's, no idea if there's a wav anywhere... |
| 19:41.29 | Taza | ... tho that's probably easily fixed. |
| 19:41.33 | cahoot | Taza: install alsa-utils and run dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base |
| 19:41.48 | Taza | I already have alsa-utils |
| 19:41.49 | itchi | Taza: locate *.wav |
| 19:42.03 | cahoot | yes | aplay will do just fine |
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| 19:42.12 | Taza | No locate db. |
| 19:42.23 | abrotman | itchi: no .. i just didn't get it :) |
| 19:42.35 | abrotman | slakmagik: logrotate perhaps |
| 19:42.53 | slakmagik | not in logrotate.conf and that would make backups - this stuff is just *gone* |
| 19:43.15 | kali67 | ChaosR: what did you do with the HD ? were you able to fix the problem ? |
| 19:43.19 | TimRiker | trying to install fglrx-driver 8.28.8-4 on sid with xserver-xorg 1:7.2-3 installed fails asking for xserver-xorg (>= 1:7.1.0) |
| 19:43.32 | ChaosR | kali67: I returned it saying it didn't work correctly |
| 19:43.34 | itchi | abrotman: I followed your 'poutine' factoid heh. These talked about french fries. I was wondered that these call it French, cause i always thought it was from Belgium. But like noted on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_fries the origin has not been presented |
| 19:43.36 | Taza | I have a feeling I'll have created a .wav faster than I could find one. :P |
| 19:43.42 | cahoot | yes | aplay will do just fine |
| 19:43.42 | dkr | remember my grip about azureus sporadically not working with a bunch of timeouts in log? it turns out that I was hitting cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_conntrack_max (on my etch firewall) bumped it up and my woes went away. |
| 19:43.46 | dkr | gripe |
| 19:44.14 | ChaosR | kali67: wait |
| 19:44.20 | ChaosR | kali67: umount the harddrive |
| 19:44.40 | poutine | the origin is Quebec |
| 19:44.43 | TimRiker | trying to install fglrx-driver 8.28.8-4 on sid with xserver-xorg 1:7.2-3 installed fails asking for xserver-xorg (>= 1:7.1.0) (sorry for the short post)... 1:7.2-3 should meet (>= 1:7.1.0) no? |
| 19:44.52 | slakmagik | I checked at least logrotate, ~/.aptitude, /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg, all cron jobs, did a 'find' through /var looking for rotated logs - there's nothing to indicate why this happened in those files |
| 19:44.53 | ChaosR | kali67: mount -t vfat -o rw,user <hardrive> <mountpoint> |
| 19:45.12 | gpm | poutine: for french fries? |
| 19:45.20 | formorer | TimRiker: the unstable fglrx don't work with unstable xorg. Goto ati and ask them to fix their crap |
| 19:45.48 | TimRiker | formorer: well, that's a different (and true) issue. the dependancy rule seems broken though, no? |
| 19:45.50 | abrotman | itchi: file a bug |
| 19:45.55 | Bushmills | tomorrow is towel day, btw |
| 19:45.56 | formorer | TimRiker: no |
| 19:46.17 | TimRiker | no? 1:7.2-3 is not >= 1:7.1.0 ?!? |
| 19:46.20 | formorer | TimRiker: x.org from unstable conflicts with the fglrx driver. Just apts output is not as good as it could be |
| 19:46.23 | itchi | abrotman: :-) |
| 19:46.26 | kali67 | ChaosR: I've formatted it to ext3 and am currently backing up data on it |
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| 19:46.42 | TimRiker | formorer: ah! ok. looking at that. thx. |
| 19:46.45 | ChaosR | kali67: ok, then the HD is broken, I guess |
| 19:46.46 | slakmagik | cuz it's *both* /var/log/dpkg and /var/log/aptitude that are truncated to exactly May 1st - this would make /etc/cron.monthly the obvious suspect, but there's only 'standard' in there and that's empty except for comments |
| 19:46.53 | ChaosR | kali67: or does it work? |
| 19:47.00 | poutine | gpm, Well who knows where french fries come from (seriously, probably not from france) |
| 19:47.04 | poutine | but poutine comes from quebec |
| 19:47.05 | itchi | abrotman: Looks dumb, but the subject was interesting ;-) |
| 19:47.05 | kali67 | ChaosR: it is the matter of when after 15 minutes the Drive powers down when there is no activity |
| 19:47.11 | loca|host | howto get the device address in /dev of the new plugged usb drive ? |
| 19:47.24 | ChaosR | kali67: on my part it didn't wrote data to it at all |
| 19:47.26 | gpm | loca|host: dmesg? |
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| 19:47.40 | gpm | poutine: definitely not france |
| 19:47.46 | kali67 | ChaosR: Linux by default does not have allow_restart on scsi or Ext HD |
| 19:47.50 | loca|host | /var/log/messages and dmesg dont indicate it, just saying May 24 21:47:17 mignart kernel: hub.c: new USB device 00:1d.7-3, assigned address 3 |
| 19:47.58 | formorer | TimRiker: http://ati.cchtml.com/show_bug.cgi?id=643 ; http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=420239 |
| 19:48.05 | kali67 | ChaosR: I just need to enable it |
| 19:48.09 | slakmagik | those logs should never, under any circumstances, be touched like that, anyway |
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| 19:48.23 | abrotman | itchi: ah ok |
| 19:48.27 | ChaosR | kali67: oki, my HD returned a -84 error when I tried to put a file on it |
| 19:48.32 | gpm | loca|host: it's probably /dev/sda or sdb or something...sdx |
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| 19:48.37 | abrotman | slakmagik: did you check logrotate? |
| 19:48.48 | kali67 | ChaosR: ok, we have different problems then |
| 19:48.48 | TimRiker | sure enough. xserver-xorg-core is marked with conflicts fglrx-driver thx! |
| 19:48.48 | slakmagik | "not in logrotate.conf and that would make backups - this stuff is just *gone*" |
| 19:49.11 | kali67 | ChaosR: thanks for the input |
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| 19:49.49 | kali67 | localhost: type in dmesg | grep sd |
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| 19:51.31 | abrotman | slakmagik: might be in logrotate.d |
| 19:51.36 | abrotman | slakmagik: is this etch ? |
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| 19:51.41 | slakmagik | yep |
| 19:51.58 | abrotman | slakmagik: look in /etc/logrotate.d/ and you'll see aptitude and dpkg entries |
| 19:52.38 | abrotman | the dpkg entry looks like it should archive .. and on my box it does |
| 19:52.39 | slakmagik | yeah - but those are to be rotated monthly and 12 rotations are to be kept - where'd they go? |
| 19:52.41 | Taza | Okay |
| 19:52.47 | abrotman | aptitude does for six months |
| 19:52.50 | Taza | So, sound still not working. |
| 19:52.55 | slakmagik | I changed it to 12, but forgot |
| 19:53.01 | abrotman | slakmagik: should be in /var/log/ .. mine are |
| 19:53.07 | slakmagik | so the rotation is explained, at least |
| 19:53.08 | Taza | I hear nothing with aplay. Checked alsamixer, everything has sound and nothing is muted. |
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| 19:53.24 | cahoot | Taza: no error? |
| 19:53.36 | Taza | No error. |
| 19:53.39 | Taza | Just don't hear anything |
| 19:53.51 | cahoot | Taza: only one sounddevice on system? |
| 19:53.55 | Taza | Yep |
| 19:53.59 | slakmagik | abrotman: in the toplevel of /var or a subdirectory - either way, mine are *not* there |
| 19:54.03 | Taza | I'm atm booting to windows to test it. |
| 19:54.09 | abrotman | slakmagik: /var/log |
| 19:54.19 | abrotman | slakmagik: mine are named as dpkg.log.2.gz etc |
| 19:54.56 | slakmagik | yeah, toplevel of /var/log is what I meant - so what could result in logrotate rotating them to /dev/null instead? This completely sucks. |
| 19:55.10 | abrotman | slakmagik: did you change the items in /etc/logrotate.d/ ? |
| 19:55.21 | cahoot | Taza: no switch/key to toggle? |
| 19:55.31 | slakmagik | the only thing I changed was changing aptitudes number of keeps to 12 like dpkg's |
| 19:55.41 | slakmagik | dpkg, I didn't touch at all, IIRC |
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| 19:56.22 | piztek3 | can anyone help me get nvidia glx working? |
| 19:56.24 | slakmagik | yeah, I looked through my own backup system and I didn't mess with dpkg |
| 19:56.33 | piztek3 | it's the only error in my xorg.0.lg |
| 19:56.36 | piztek3 | log* |
| 19:56.59 | ofer | what's the replacement for apt-setup in etch/lenny ? |
| 19:57.23 | itchi | ofer: apt-spy for example |
| 19:57.53 | itchi | hhhm yeah, dpkg is on vacation :-s |
| 19:57.57 | abrotman | slakmagik: can you paste one or the other somewhere ? |
| 19:58.00 | abrotman | or both |
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| 19:58.21 | ofer | itchi, thank you |
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| 19:59.22 | piztek3 | can anyone help me with glx |
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| 20:00.16 | slakmagik | pastebin's screwed up; http://rafb.net/p/4zUEn546.html |
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| 20:00.35 | slakmagik | dpkg is the same except for 'delaycompress; create 640 root adm' |
| 20:01.28 | piztek3 | can anyone help me get glx working |
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| 20:01.47 | JenniferKolbe | hi i´m back... when i should install fluxbox via aptitude install , what should i consider adding other than xorg |
| 20:02.19 | Gerat | exit |
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| 20:02.33 | Bushmills | JenniferKolbe: iceweasel |
| 20:02.40 | JenniferKolbe | :D |
| 20:03.11 | itchi | JenniferKolbe: Whatever stuff you may need heh |
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| 20:03.17 | JenniferKolbe | i mean like aptitude install fluxbox or fluxbox-base... |
| 20:03.26 | itchi | JenniferKolbe: Ususally, don't install what you not need |
| 20:03.43 | JenniferKolbe | !fluxbox |
| 20:03.45 | cast | JenniferKolbe: run aptitode show fluxbox and aptitude show fluxbox-base and make the decision yourself ;) |
| 20:03.47 | JenniferKolbe | :D |
| 20:03.57 | itchi | JenniferKolbe: hhhm do apt-cache search fluxbox, and intall that fluxconf too |
| 20:03.58 | JenniferKolbe | ah ok |
| 20:04.57 | itchi | JenniferKolbe: You will like 'bbrun' or somethings like that too |
| 20:05.06 | itchi | s/will/would/ |
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| 20:06.16 | JenniferKolbe | what does Spurios NAK on isa0060/serio. mean |
| 20:06.43 | Bushmills | JenniferKolbe: keyboard related. NAK is not acknowledged |
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| 20:06.50 | Bushmills | handshake problem |
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| 20:07.10 | JenniferKolbe | nothing bad? |
| 20:07.34 | Bushmills | do keystrokes disappear while typing? |
| 20:07.34 | abrotman | slakmagik: it looks right .. it /var/ filled ? |
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| 20:08.11 | JenniferKolbe | i see, i am in virtualbox at the same time thats when it shows as soon as i write in here |
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| 20:09.06 | itchi | JenniferKolbe: You would like xen, openvz, kvm, qemu, vmware-server btw :-p |
| 20:09.34 | pipeline | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:09.40 | ijk | I'm running the netinst but only access to the internet is via wireless; how can I - during the installation process - set ESSID and KEY for the wireless access point? |
| 20:09.49 | itchi | pipeline: I hit that quota bug limit :-( |
| 20:09.59 | slakmagik | no, that part's okay - I've got a simple /,/home desktop setup and / is at 15% |
| 20:10.10 | itchi | pipeline: Otherwise, i find it one of the most elegant one's |
| 20:10.30 | pipeline | itchi: It's so buggy, I can't imagine using it without SWsoft support. |
| 20:10.40 | itchi | pipeline: Right |
| 20:10.56 | pipeline | itchi: hence my scorn for the "open" vz. I need closed vz :P |
| 20:11.33 | Taza | Okay. ALSA is not working. |
| 20:11.40 | Taza | alsaconf detects the card's settings wrong. |
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| 20:11.54 | adam0509 | someone know how to use the "xserver-xorg-input-joystick" package ? |
| 20:11.56 | Taza | cat /proc/asound/cards has the wrong irq and dma |
| 20:12.02 | itchi | Anyway, virtualbox is one of the slowest i have seen yet |
| 20:12.12 | Taza | Where can I manually edit the settings? |
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| 20:13.50 | itchi | Taza: You need maybe to specify some params when loading the module?? |
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| 20:15.56 | D0ug | Hello |
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| 20:16.42 | sivik | how do i go about installing a .cpkg file |
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| 20:16.56 | JunoDewar | how can close unwanted connection? |
| 20:17.02 | JunoDewar | I tryed cutter |
| 20:17.34 | ijk | is it even possible to install netinst via a wireless card? |
| 20:18.16 | JunoDewar | cutter requires netfilter ip_conntrack or somesuch how I can enable it? |
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| 20:18.55 | itchi | ijk: If you card is detected during the install, then yes |
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| 20:19.39 | ijk | well it is! but if I alt+f2 and do iwconfig it doesn't show as a device. thus I cannot say which access point to connect to and which key to provide with it. |
| 20:20.16 | itchi | ijk: Can you install the required stuff? |
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| 20:20.29 | Rubber | good evining |
| 20:20.47 | maxamillion | Rubber: and to you too |
| 20:20.57 | ijk | yes: what fails is when it's looking into the network mirror since it cannot connect to a password-protected access point with no password given. |
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| 20:21.31 | JunoDewar | How can I enable netfilter conntrack in the kernel? |
| 20:21.47 | itchi | ijk: Have you the wireless tools installed? |
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| 20:21.52 | ijk | so I can configure this network device manually (with ip's an all that) but I cannot tell it which access point to connect to. |
| 20:21.56 | itchi | ijk: iwlist an iwconf |
| 20:22.17 | ijk | no they are not installed I think |
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| 20:22.31 | ijk | anyway not from the install console (alt+f2) |
| 20:22.46 | itchi | ijk: I dunno, honesty |
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| 20:23.02 | ijk | okay |
| 20:23.10 | shut- | when it says hit enter to boot and i do |
| 20:23.16 | shut- | it givess me a cd error |
| 20:23.18 | shut- | 80 |
| 20:23.19 | shut- | why? |
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| 20:23.38 | slewis | Anyone know how to stop Compiz mapping the mouse buttons? |
| 20:24.10 | shut- | do you guys no why the boot thing give a cd error |
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| 20:24.42 | itchi | slewis: Try /msg chanserv list *compiz* and ask there on the appropriated channel maybe |
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| 20:25.30 | slewis | itchi: #compiz is a little dead :( |
| 20:25.34 | itchi | shut-: Which arch? |
| 20:25.50 | itchi | slewis: There's ##compis that longer exist too |
| 20:26.14 | itchi | slewis: ##compiz |
| 20:26.27 | itchi | slewis: Dead too there |
| 20:26.40 | slewis | :( |
| 20:26.44 | itchi | slewis: Look on the compiz website, these are maybe on the OFTC network or whatever |
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| 20:27.09 | slewis | itchi: all the config tools appear to be for Ubuntu |
| 20:27.12 | itchi | slewis: heh, the question may, why do you use compiz? :-) |
| 20:27.36 | itchi | I dunno the 'big' differences about it |
| 20:27.39 | slewis | im sorting out my housemates laptop, he wants eyecandy |
| 20:27.48 | itchi | It's a fork a thought |
| 20:28.00 | ma3x | whats up debs? |
| 20:28.03 | shut- | the newest one |
| 20:28.03 | slewis | Beryl is more advanced I think |
| 20:28.23 | shut- | i just download it today |
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| 20:30.24 | MoDaX | beryl has more eyecandy |
| 20:30.26 | slewis | why is Beryl not packaged for debian? |
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| 20:30.43 | ijk | well, I gone with a cable. thanks anyway :) |
| 20:31.22 | MoDaX | slewis: previously it was licence problem, now I think nobody bothers because compiz and beryl have merged |
| 20:31.25 | itchi | ijk: I not yet have tried to do it over wifi |
| 20:31.37 | shut- | why do i get this error on debain 4 r0 netsetup or w.e |
| 20:31.43 | itchi | slewis: there's #beryl and packaged debs too |
| 20:32.15 | ijk | tried writing the interfaces-file, but didn't work. guess it's mostly prone to work on cable-connections :) |
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| 20:32.34 | quintin | What does the "rc" on the left in 'dpkg -l' mean? |
| 20:32.40 | itchi | ijk: You miss the essential wireless tools i think |
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| 20:32.53 | itchi | quintin: look to the header of that output heh |
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| 20:33.27 | quintin | itchi: .. huh?? |
| 20:33.29 | MoDaX | quintin: removed, but not purged (configs left) |
| 20:33.36 | quintin | MoDaX: ah, ok. thanks |
| 20:33.52 | itchi | wtf |
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| 20:33.54 | shut- | i get disk error 80 |
| 20:34.12 | shut- | when i hit enter it tries to load and it says disk error 80 |
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| 20:34.28 | shut- | anyone know why |
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| 20:34.52 | abrotman | shut-: does it work in another system ? |
| 20:35.00 | shut- | ? |
| 20:35.08 | shut- | in another system? |
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| 20:35.41 | shut- | i burned it on windows |
| 20:35.53 | itchi | shut-: work that same cd on another computer? |
| 20:36.22 | shut- | no |
| 20:36.32 | shut- | i might be able to get my bro to tri it |
| 20:37.11 | shut- | my friend thinks its the way i burned it |
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| 20:37.55 | itchi | shut-: It's the cd that is borked or your bios, after a little google search |
| 20:39.28 | shut- | it is scrached |
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| 20:40.27 | n3kl_ | Howdy |
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| 20:43.21 | n3kl_ | When using apt-cacher, do I set the server to use the apt-cacher also? |
| 20:43.35 | n3kl_ | as in, set the server to be a client of itself? |
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| 20:44.50 | itchi | n3kl_: I do that, but on my apt-proxy server |
| 20:45.12 | n3kl_ | itchi: is apt-proxy better than apt-cacher? |
| 20:45.56 | nvz | n3kl_: two different things |
| 20:46.00 | itchi | n3kl_: I dunno honesty :-) It's now some ages i use apt-proxy :-) |
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| 20:46.16 | itchi | nvz: How so? |
| 20:46.56 | itchi | "Apt-cacher can be used as a replacement for apt-proxy, with no need to modify..." of the aptitude show apt-cacher |
| 20:47.06 | piztek3 | can anyone help me get glx working |
| 20:47.10 | n3kl_ | So it looks like when you use apt-cacher, it does proxy for you. It looks to me like the apt-cacher server grabs the packages and stuff from the actual repo and caches them for the client to pick up. Is that right? |
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| 20:47.12 | groton | hello \amethyst :) I just tryed with a different router (an adsl modem router by Kraun), and i discovered that what you said me yesterday evening was right :) The route "192.168.16.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0" is enough to reach any LAN hosts of 192.168.16.x :) |
| 20:47.33 | itchi | n3kl_: That's what apt-proxy does too |
| 20:47.39 | n3kl_ | piztek3: nvidia glx? |
| 20:47.47 | n3kl_ | itchi: ah. |
| 20:47.56 | nvz | itchi: apt-cacher > apt-proxy |
| 20:48.01 | piztek3 | i'm not sure, in my xorg.0.log i have errors at GLX |
| 20:48.05 | itchi | nvz: Yeah, looks like |
| 20:48.34 | piztek3 | n3kl_: can I message you? |
| 20:48.43 | n3kl_ | I was under the impression, that you have all the sources you want to use in the server's sources.list and for all the clients, you would simply have a single source which would be your apt-cacher server. |
| 20:48.54 | n3kl_ | piztek3: ok |
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| 20:49.58 | itchi | n3kl_: It save many bandwidth space. I need a such tool for my cr*p ISP who allow me 10 GB /month traffic |
| 20:50.17 | nvz | n3kl_: no the apt-cacher's sources.list doesnt matter unless it needs packages locally |
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| 20:50.49 | nvz | n3kl_: you put in the apt-cacher hostname in the sources.list followed by a mirror to cache it parses the url |
| 20:51.00 | n3kl_ | nvz: so apt-cacher just does the leg work for the clients and caches them fro future clients |
| 20:51.11 | n3kl_ | nvz: right |
| 20:52.11 | piztek3 | for anyone who might be able to help, here is my glx error |
| 20:52.11 | piztek3 | (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found) |
| 20:52.37 | n3kl_ | nvz: its friggin slow to have the client and the server on the same box, I noticed |
| 20:52.41 | {cyborg} | piztek3: is the nvidia module loaded ? |
| 20:52.42 | cilkay | Hello. I'm trying to get Postfix to authenticate against saslauthd on Etch but I keep getting warning: SASL authentication failure: cannot connect to saslauthd server: Connection refused. This seems to be a problem with Postfix running in a chroot jail but I've put the socket that saslauthd uses in a place accessible to Postfix /var/spool/postfix/var/run/saslauthd/ Initially, I had permissions problems until I chan |
| 20:52.42 | cilkay | ged ownership of that directory to postfix.root. Any ideas? |
| 20:52.48 | piztek3 | {cyborg}: i'm not sure |
| 20:52.55 | {cyborg} | piztek3: lsmod | grep nvidia |
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| 20:53.14 | piztek3 | {cyborg}: nothing |
| 20:53.29 | {cyborg} | piztek3: #modprobe nvidia |
| 20:53.29 | piztek3 | how do i start it? |
| 20:53.41 | piztek3 | nothing |
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| 20:54.04 | {cyborg} | piztek3: what does lsmod say now ? |
| 20:54.06 | nvz | n3kl_: apt-cacher is a finely tuned machine.. and like itchi says its great for saving bandwidth and a life saver if you've got a quota |
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| 20:54.23 | piztek3 | nothing |
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| 20:54.35 | n3kl_ | nvz: I see |
| 20:54.35 | itchi | n3kl_: That's my apt-proxy note if you want http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/guicms/html/articles/one.php?number=32 |
| 20:54.37 | n3kl_ | thanks |
| 20:54.38 | piztek3 | lsmod | grep nvidia displays nothing |
| 20:54.48 | itchi | n3kl_: It's the same spirit, just some other software |
| 20:54.51 | {cyborg} | did modprobe say "module not found" ? |
| 20:55.02 | piztek3 | no, it just returned nothing |
| 20:55.09 | wols | piztek3: that is not possible |
| 20:55.16 | wols | either you get an error message or a module loads |
| 20:55.18 | valdyn | piztek3: "modprobe nvidia" |
| 20:55.30 | {cyborg} | piztek3: as root, type 'modprobe nvidia' |
| 20:55.33 | karsten | In rdesktop is anyone else seeing the "slanting display" issue when a portion of the window is obscured then re-revealed? Seems as if pixels are being moitted from redisplay. |
| 20:55.37 | n3kl_ | cilkay: I got around that issue, if I remember right, by adding some lines to fstab. /var/run/saslauthd /var/spool/postfix/var/run/saslauthd auto bind 0 0 and /etc/postfix /var/spool/postfix/etc/postfix auto bind 0 0. |
| 20:55.41 | piztek3 | bash: modprobe: command not found |
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| 20:55.58 | nvz | piztek3: su |
| 20:56.06 | valdyn | piztek3: /sbin/modprobe nvidia |
| 20:56.17 | piztek3 | smith:/home/brandon# modprobe nvidia |
| 20:56.17 | piztek3 | smith:/home/brandon# |
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| 20:56.25 | nvz | yay! |
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| 20:56.31 | {cyborg} | piztek3: that's it |
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| 20:56.38 | piztek3 | that's it |
| 20:56.40 | piztek3 | it's blank |
| 20:56.42 | {cyborg} | piztek3: now you *should* have nvidia loaded |
| 20:56.43 | nvz | yep |
| 20:56.44 | piztek3 | even /sbin/modprobe nvidia is blank |
| 20:56.44 | cilkay | n3kl: that's most likely because you didn't tell saslauthd to create its socket in /var/spool/postfix/etc/postfix |
| 20:56.53 | n3kl_ | itchi: thanks, I will make sure to eat up all your bandwidth =] |
| 20:56.56 | piztek3 | oh, it's loaded now? |
| 20:57.03 | nvz | piztek3: no output is better than bad output |
| 20:57.05 | n3kl_ | cilkay: its possible |
| 20:57.12 | {cyborg} | piztek3: blank output means the module loaded correctly |
| 20:57.13 | cilkay | n3kl: in your case, saslauthd creates its socket in /var/run/saslauthd |
| 20:57.14 | wols | cilkay: it's probably cause of postfi' chroot |
| 20:57.20 | itchi | n3kl_: :-p 330MB left :-( |
| 20:57.23 | piztek3 | awesome |
| 20:57.26 | piztek3 | let me test |
| 20:57.31 | {cyborg} | piztek3: try lauching X now |
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| 20:57.54 | cilkay | wols: yes, I know and I moved the mux file (the socket that saslauthd creates) into a place in Postfix's chroot. |
| 20:57.56 | nvz | 10... 9...8...7...6...5..4...3..... |
| 20:57.57 | itchi | n3kl_: But no worry to much, i gona again 'upgrade' for 1 GB heh :-p |
| 20:58.19 | piztek3 | {cyborg}: i'm in gnome |
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| 20:58.26 | {cyborg} | piztek3: does glx work ? |
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| 20:58.33 | piztek3 | {cyborg}: how do i check? |
| 20:58.38 | nvz | piztek3: you would have seen an nvidia splash when X launched if it was all setup |
| 20:58.55 | {cyborg} | piztek3: glxinfo | grep Rendering |
| 20:59.02 | piztek3 | oh let me log out and back in |
| 20:59.06 | nvz | heh |
| 20:59.23 | n3kl_ | cilkay: thats not the case. |
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| 21:00.34 | piztek3 | no, no nvidia splash |
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| 21:00.40 | piztek3 | did cyborg leave |
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| 21:01.23 | piztek3 | karsten: ? |
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| 21:02.50 | piztek3 | can anyone help get glx working? |
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| 21:03.07 | itchi | piztek3: Ask on a mailing list heh |
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| 21:04.02 | piztek3 | nah it's the nvidia driver, it's not starting |
| 21:04.22 | ironfroggy | OK i was in here the other day and I now find I need to fix this myself. I have to upgrade my kernel, but im running the kernel at the time. apt tells me its dangerous. is it? |
| 21:04.24 | n3kl_ | piztek3: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 21:04.35 | piztek3 | n3kl_: i've done that many times |
| 21:04.48 | piztek3 | it's set to nv |
| 21:05.19 | itchi | ironfroggy: Read more |
| 21:05.28 | ironfroggy | i do not know what to read. |
| 21:05.35 | itchi | ironfroggy: On the screen there |
| 21:05.37 | n3kl_ | piztek3: then install the nvidia driver, nvidia-glx, and change the driver in teh xorg.conf to nvidia |
| 21:05.54 | ironfroggy | itchi: the output from apt? ill need to get back to the server and try it again. |
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| 21:06.09 | piztek3 | i thought i wanted nv not nvidia because nv does ogl and glx |
| 21:06.12 | itchi | ironfroggy: It is more a big warning |
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| 21:07.24 | Maerz | could it be that i exceeded my kernel limit for max connections ? |
| 21:07.56 | Maerz | or better, how to get this info? |
| 21:07.58 | n3kl_ | piztek3: what do you want glx for? |
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| 21:08.08 | piztek3 | n3kl_: gaming |
| 21:08.26 | n3kl_ | piztek3: nv is the driver included with xorg. You want glx, which comes with the nvidia driver. |
| 21:08.54 | Maerz | <piztek3> i thought i wanted nv not nvidia because nv does ogl and glx <----- swap nv and nvidia and your'Re right |
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| 21:09.10 | piztek3 | okay brb |
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| 21:09.50 | itchi | Us should tell piztek3 about 'screen' |
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| 21:10.20 | karsten | piztek3: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/rdesktop-slant.png shows the effect. |
| 21:10.40 | karsten | piztek3: Twice. Once in the notepad widnow, once on the desktop icons (I'd invoked the Start menu). |
| 21:10.47 | itchi | karsten: Ow, that looks weird |
| 21:10.53 | piztek3 | now do I nosplash? |
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| 21:11.57 | piztek3 | can i limit the icon text on the desktop somewhere? |
| 21:12.00 | karsten | piztek3: ... and assuming you were refering to my question and not yours. |
| 21:12.07 | karsten | piztek3: Limit how, in what desktop? |
| 21:12.09 | itchi | piztek3: You would find 'screen' a very usefull tool btw |
| 21:12.14 | piztek3 | in gnome |
| 21:12.17 | itchi | piztek3: See maybe http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/guicms/html/articles/one.php?number=105 |
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| 21:12.23 | karsten | piztek3: Limit how? |
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| 21:12.35 | piztek3 | instead of 30 character, maybe 10 |
| 21:13.09 | karsten | piztek3: Not sure of that. You can disable desktop icons entirely though (IMO it's a horrible place to put such things, always in the way). |
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| 21:15.40 | Techdeck | does anyone know how can I change the title of xterm with an echo command? (there's some code that changes title) |
| 21:16.08 | Taza | I have an ISA PnP sound card which isn't detected by alsaconf. What should I do? |
| 21:16.36 | piztek3 | and now, the party time!!! |
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| 21:17.39 | piztek3 | are there any osx-like-dockers for gnome yet? |
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| 21:18.12 | Taza | Or, another question. I have an ES AudioDrive 1787 which was detected by alsaconf, got wrong settings, I fixed them, still no sound. |
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| 21:18.35 | itchi | Taza: You need to install a special package for isa cards |
| 21:18.45 | Taza | Which'd be? |
| 21:19.16 | Taza | It's the same chip either way, I can just set it in PnP or non-PnP |
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| 21:19.33 | karsten | Taza: See a good bash prompt howto, there are ansi escape sequences which will do this. |
| 21:19.47 | Taza | ... eh? |
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| 21:20.03 | Taza | I'm pretty sure there isn't. |
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| 21:20.29 | Taza | itchi: What's the special package? |
| 21:20.46 | itchi | Taza: I not find back that package name buahaha |
| 21:20.50 | itchi | dpkg is still dead :-( |
| 21:21.12 | Taza | So roughly. "Say the magic word. I cannot tell you what the magic word is." |
| 21:21.12 | zophy | ping won/t resolve hostnames when i run it in a chroot jail, what am i doing wrong ? |
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| 21:22.53 | dondelelcaro | zophy: /etc/resolv.conf in the chroot jail is wrong |
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| 21:23.21 | itchi | dondelelcaro: The lovely bot is on vacation :-( |
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| 21:24.08 | piztek3 | gaim needs work |
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| 21:24.47 | itchi | Nice! |
| 21:24.47 | Taza | itchi: isapnptools, perhaps? |
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| 21:25.37 | karsten | Taza: http://biocycle.atmos.colostate.edu/~johnk/Xterm-Title.html |
| 21:25.50 | vchrizz | hi, im trying to compile fglrx kernel module but it somehow doesnt work when running make.sh i get lots of errors regarding the script... i pasted info here: http://rafb.net/p/x0Y5gG68.html |
| 21:25.54 | itchi | Taza: I thought, looks like it's gone in testing and unstable :-s |
| 21:26.17 | karsten | Taza: echo -e '\033]0;foo\a' |
| 21:26.32 | zophy | dondelelcaro, i'm not running named in the chroot, if that makes any difference |
| 21:26.48 | Taza | karsten: Tripping on something? |
| 21:28.03 | karsten | Taza: sorry, confused you and Techdeck |
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| 21:28.15 | karsten | Techdeck: bash prompt howto or see above to Taza |
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| 21:28.30 | karsten | Techdeck: wintitle () { echo -e "\033]0;$*\a"; }; wintitle This is the title of this window |
| 21:28.32 | ketrox | loca|host |
| 21:28.46 | loca|host | whatsup |
| 21:29.01 | nhuisman_work | if I have a script to add to my startup is the procedure for debian to put it in /etc/init.d and then use the debian service tool to add it to the run-levels? |
| 21:29.09 | nhuisman_work | or is there some command that will auto add it to init.d too. |
| 21:29.18 | nhuisman_work | I was going to put a symlink in init.d |
| 21:29.19 | zophy | dondelelcaro, i can ping the ip addresses of the nameservers in etc/resolv.conf |
| 21:29.26 | asg | nhuisman_work: man update-rc.d |
| 21:29.37 | nhuisman_work | k |
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| 21:30.14 | nhuisman_work | hey how many levels of symlinks are allowed? if I symlink into /etc/init.d from somewhere, will that break when it tries to make the rc links |
| 21:30.30 | karsten | nhuisman_work: Lots |
| 21:30.34 | nhuisman_work | k |
| 21:31.07 | karsten | nhuisman_work: I'd think you might approach limits at ~16-32 or so. |
| 21:31.11 | itchi | nhuisman_work: Look to?? /msg dpkg services |
| 21:31.27 | nhuisman_work | itchi, eh? |
| 21:31.44 | karsten | nhuisman_work: 8: http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0605.0/0907.html |
| 21:32.06 | nhuisman_work | ah k |
| 21:32.10 | karsten | nhuisman_work: 5 prior to 2.6.16 |
| 21:32.24 | nhuisman_work | yeah cause I ran into the limit a few times before |
| 21:32.29 | nhuisman_work | was never sure what it was. |
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| 21:33.08 | nhuisman_work | interesting, it doesn't like symlinks |
| 21:33.29 | nhuisman_work | ls -la -> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 May 24 20:32 /etc/init.d/sys5_idl_lmgrd -> sys5_idl_lmgrd |
| 21:33.38 | nhuisman_work | update-rc.d sys5_idl_lmgrd defaults |
| 21:33.42 | nhuisman_work | update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/sys5_idl_lmgrd: file does not exist |
| 21:33.45 | nhuisman_work | oh well i'll just copy it |
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| 21:35.58 | ma3x | if I want to encode to x264 from DVD, what scale should I choose? |
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| 21:39.48 | karsten | nhuisman_work: Does the target exist? |
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| 21:40.10 | karsten | nhuisman_work: Remember, it's link target > alias, not alias > target |
| 21:40.19 | Dark_Apostrophe | Are there any decent Debian Testing packages for AMD64 of init-ng or Upstart? |
| 21:40.22 | nhuisman_work | yeah i found the problem, it didn't have the whole path. |
| 21:40.25 | Dark_Apostrophe | I'm sick of sysv init. |
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| 21:41.31 | dashs | I have an old bw-qcam (connectix) anyone have one running on etch? |
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| 21:44.23 | SamuraiDio | please, how do i set a program to execute at login? |
| 21:45.01 | alaya_ | what about init functions provided by lsb-base ? |
| 21:45.06 | Bushmills | SamuraiDio: look at ~/.bash_profile |
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| 21:45.43 | epp | hey |
| 21:45.59 | epp | on compile of a program i get this error http://pastebin.ca/508006 |
| 21:46.26 | SamuraiDio | Bushmills, it includes ~/.bashrc, can i put my startup scripts there? |
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| 21:47.02 | Bushmills | SamuraiDio: yes, that script is executed upon login |
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| 21:47.17 | itchi | epp: Anyway, not run that as root probably, not that it will fix your trouble anyway |
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| 21:47.59 | n3kl_ | thanks |
| 21:48.02 | epp | itchi: im not bothered my security, this is just on local network. |
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| 21:48.10 | SamuraiDio | Bushmills, just scmpc, or /usr/bin/scmpc? |
| 21:48.19 | SamWise_TheGreat | i installed debian 4.0 and i was wondering how to enable 1440X900 resolution. Do i just enable it in my xorg.conf? |
| 21:48.22 | itchi | epp: If there may somethings the goes very wron, it just screw up your whole system |
| 21:48.30 | itchi | epp: that* |
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| 21:49.08 | itchi | epp: Your missing some mysql stuff?? the -dev package?? |
| 21:49.31 | sudo_maddash | you're* |
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| 21:50.29 | [xDCDx] | is there any command that shows the system load in a string? (for example, for CPU and RAM, it would show 0.01 0.00, or 0.98 0.35, etc) |
| 21:50.32 | epp | itchi: do you know what the poackage is called? |
| 21:50.45 | epp | itchi: package* |
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| 21:51.29 | itchi | epp: About mysql? But i'm not yet sure that it's that what you're missing heh. Maybe, look in the docs provided with that package you compile |
| 21:51.35 | Bushmills | [xDCDx]: cat /proc/loadavg |
| 21:51.48 | DawnLight | pffff.... been sitting at this computer for too long. i want to trance dance |
| 21:52.03 | [xDCDx] | Bushmills, thanks |
| 21:52.18 | DawnLight | epp: whats up with the xbox? |
| 21:52.43 | epp | DawnLight: i have givin up on bins, and im trying to compile mangos myself. |
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| 21:52.48 | Taza | Does "cp * /home/taza/misc" just copy everything from the folder to a folder named "misc" in /home/taza ? |
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| 21:53.20 | itchi | Taza: Look to man ls |
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| 21:53.29 | itchi | arg, man cp |
| 21:53.33 | DawnLight | epp: you get compilation errors? |
| 21:53.53 | itchi | !fish |
| 21:53.53 | dpkg | fish is probably FISHFISHFISH! DO THE FISH DANCE! "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate, instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, why not read some docs, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered? |
| 21:54.46 | Taza | I'd do that with the sound issue, if I hadn't tried every doc I've found and came up empty. |
| 21:55.43 | Vasistha | dpkg: fish is also what "ghoti" spells |
| 21:55.47 | DawnLight | epp: i see the pastebin... well, do you succeed with other compilations? |
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| 21:57.40 | epp | DawnLight: havent tried anything else |
| 21:58.24 | SamuraiDio | and for init a script just after system startup? |
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| 21:59.21 | SamuraiDio | better, how do i check to run only if thats not already running? |
| 21:59.24 | epsilon | where can I find description of font setting such as "-misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--*-120-*-*-c-*-*-*"? |
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| 21:59.43 | diclophis-work | hey how would i watch dmesg in real time? |
| 22:00.00 | wedgeV | tail -f /var/log/messages |
| 22:00.02 | dondelelcaro | epsilon: xfontsel |
| 22:00.06 | dkr | diclophis-work: the messages should also, there you go. :) |
| 22:00.10 | diclophis-work | thats not where rpc debug stuff goes |
| 22:00.11 | DawnLight | epp: try compiling something else, i would suggest. something small |
| 22:00.18 | dkr | oh, syslog? |
| 22:00.42 | diclophis-work | this is a centos5 box |
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| 22:00.44 | diclophis-work | no syslog |
| 22:00.53 | DawnLight | my nipple hurts :-/ |
| 22:00.59 | Vasistha | (?) |
| 22:01.05 | SamuraiDio | how do i check to run a daemon only if thats not already running? |
| 22:01.08 | karsten | DawnLight: Want me to kiss it and make it better? |
| 22:01.12 | dkr | diclophis-work: then whya re you asking in #debian? lol |
| 22:01.17 | Vasistha | haha |
| 22:01.24 | diclophis-work | cause its the least trolly of the irc linux rooms |
| 22:01.25 | dkr | diclophis-work: anyway, you can edit /etc/syslog.conf to send debug mesages whereever you like |
| 22:01.27 | DawnLight | don't embarrass me |
| 22:01.39 | karsten | DawnLight: I _am_ an embarrassment. |
| 22:02.06 | Vasistha | SamuraiDio: you could pgrep for it and only run if pgrep fails |
| 22:02.10 | DawnLight | no you're not :o |
| 22:02.16 | karsten | SamuraiDio: Most daemons will only run once. There's no canonical way of testing. If there's a 'status' option to the init script you can check that. |
| 22:02.28 | Vasistha | SamuraiDio: e.g. ''pgrep apmd || apmd'' |
| 22:02.31 | SportChick | win stick off |
| 22:02.35 | karsten | SamuraiDio: If you want to ensure that a daemon is always running, you can (re)spawn it out of inittab. |
| 22:03.15 | SamuraiDio | karsten, how? |
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| 22:03.27 | karsten | SamuraiDio: man 5 inittab |
| 22:06.08 | piztek3 | thanks everyone who helped me today |
| 22:06.16 | piztek3 | much love <3 |
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| 22:09.51 | keram | hey |
| 22:10.04 | keram | can debian utilize 4g of memory when you only have a 32bit processor? |
| 22:10.24 | keram | what about 8g of ram? |
| 22:10.29 | karsten | keram: Yes and yes. |
| 22:10.31 | dkr | yeah |
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| 22:10.35 | mmlj4 | keram: um, how much is 2 ^ 32? |
| 22:10.43 | Eclipser | 4GB :) |
| 22:10.48 | Eclipser | -B |
| 22:11.03 | karsten | mmlj4: 2 GB, signed, 4 GB unsigned. |
| 22:11.05 | SamuraiDio | karsten, is there some user inittab? |
| 22:11.20 | karsten | SamuraiDio: No. |
| 22:11.24 | keram | huh? |
| 22:11.25 | piztek3 | oh now to setup evolution |
| 22:11.34 | karsten | SamuraiDio: /etc/inittab. There is only one init, by definition. |
| 22:11.34 | SamuraiDio | can i truncate a command output? |
| 22:11.56 | karsten | SamuraiDio: Yes. |
| 22:12.00 | karsten | SamuraiDio: Be more specific. |
| 22:12.01 | keram | so it can use 8g of ram? |
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| 22:12.16 | karsten | keram: no, we were lying to you. |
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| 22:12.38 | keram | well i mean someone said yes and someone said no |
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| 22:12.46 | keram | 2^32 is 4gigs |
| 22:12.48 | SamuraiDio | karsten, using pgrep, it return the daemon pid, but i dont want to show anything |
| 22:13.01 | alaya_ | this pisses me off when i delete .evolution and launch it and the config hasn't changed |
| 22:13.17 | karsten | keram: 32-bit linux has several means of addressing large memory up to at least 64 GB IIRC. |
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| 22:13.52 | endr[a] | alaya_: I know! You know what else pisses me off, when you go to tim hortons and they don't put your soup on a tray, they just give you your soup, your crackers, and no spoon! |
| 22:13.52 | keram | okay cool |
| 22:13.52 | karsten | keram: There are a number of curves and limitations. If you can go 64 bit, do, but in general things will work fine. |
| 22:13.52 | piztek3 | does evolutions calendar have like pop-up reminders |
| 22:13.52 | karsten | alaya_: gconf is *not* your friend |
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| 22:14.10 | alaya_ | i see all these evolution* processes running. maybe that's why. |
| 22:14.11 | keram | alright thats good enough for me |
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| 22:14.17 | karsten | piztek3: It like *totally* does, omigohd! |
| 22:14.20 | SamWise_TheGreat | how do i view my boot log? |
| 22:14.24 | piztek3 | lol |
| 22:14.29 | karsten | keram: Google is your firend. |
| 22:14.32 | karsten | friend. |
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| 22:14.38 | piztek3 | rofl chopters |
| 22:14.51 | karsten | piztek3: Kalendar rawks though. Thsi from someone who absolutely *hates* PIMs. |
| 22:14.57 | SamuraiDio | karsten, forget |
| 22:15.04 | piztek3 | kalendar |
| 22:15.06 | alaya_ | this is the first time i decided to test it in like 3 years |
| 22:15.07 | piztek3 | for gnome? |
| 22:15.07 | karsten | SamuraiDio: I'm not a bot. |
| 22:15.32 | karsten | SamuraiDio: pgrep >/dev/null |
| 22:15.39 | karsten | piztek3: KDE |
| 22:15.49 | alaya_ | so where the fuck is it reading its config from if not .evolution? |
| 22:15.54 | piztek3 | gah, doin' the gnome thing now |
| 22:15.57 | karsten | alaya_: gconf |
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| 22:16.15 | SamWise_TheGreat | how do i view my debian startup log? |
| 22:16.18 | alaya_ | karsten: cool. thanks. |
| 22:16.21 | karsten | alaya_: As I said: gconf is *not* your friend. |
| 22:16.33 | karsten | SamuraiDio: cat, less, more, dog, most |
| 22:16.46 | karsten | SamWise_TheGreat: ^^ |
| 22:16.53 | alaya_ | i think the way evolution and the way kde does it, putting all the conf dirs under some other dir, is stupid |
| 22:16.54 | karsten | SamWise_TheGreat: Though I suspect you meant to ask "where do I find". |
| 22:16.59 | piztek3 | how do I make a script just run, not ask to run |
| 22:17.09 | SamWise_TheGreat | Kartsten thats right |
| 22:17.16 | alaya_ | for example, kmail storing mailboxes in .kde/share/apps/kmail instead of just bloody .kmail |
| 22:17.26 | karsten | piztek3: Well, gee, that might depend on the script. Specifics? |
| 22:17.33 | karsten | SamWise_TheGreat: Where do logs live? |
| 22:18.03 | SamWise_TheGreat | on my hdd |
| 22:18.09 | karsten | alaya_: Mind, I don't in general use Kontact for mail, just managing my calendar. |
| 22:18.16 | karsten | SamWise_TheGreat: That is correct. |
| 22:18.25 | karsten | SamWise_TheGreat: That's where you'll find the boot log. |
| 22:18.42 | SamWise_TheGreat | Karsten i need something a bit more specific |
| 22:18.55 | dan2 | I believe I'm having issues connecting to the internet or rather dns through 32bit emu on amd64 |
| 22:18.57 | karsten | SamWise_TheGreat: Where, more specifically, do logfiles live? |
| 22:18.58 | dan2 | are there any good tips? |
| 22:19.06 | karsten | dan2: Buy low, sell high. |
| 22:19.17 | alaya_ | karsten: yes i use a lot of their apps. plus now i need to sync with a zaurus so will have to use their addressbook i think. |
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| 22:19.22 | SamWise_TheGreat | Karsten i dont know sorry ive only used linux for about a year now and im no guru |
| 22:19.41 | karsten | SamWise_TheGreat: Have you read any other system logs on Debian? |
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| 22:19.53 | SamWise_TheGreat | Karsten no |
| 22:19.55 | karsten | SamWise_TheGreat: Their location is defined by Debian Policy. I'd suggest you familiarize yourself with it. |
| 22:19.59 | karsten | !tell SamWise_TheGreat about policy |
| 22:20.28 | karsten | SamWise_TheGreat: Yes, I could just tell you the answer but you're going to learn a lot more this way. |
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| 22:21.07 | SamWise_TheGreat | Karsten /var/log/ cheers |
| 22:21.34 | karsten | SamWise_TheGreat: and 'boot' there. 'ls -alt | head -20' will show you what's been recently updated. |
| 22:22.33 | karsten | SamWise_TheGreat: The really nice thing about Debian is that policy defines where theings should be (and what must be there). Manpages, /usr/share/doc/, configfiles, and various other bits. |
| 22:22.40 | SamWise_TheGreat | /var/log/boot is not a log file. is this supposed to happen? |
| 22:23.43 | SamWise_TheGreat | i think its because im not root |
| 22:23.52 | karsten | SamWise_TheGreat: What do you mean it's not a logfile? |
| 22:24.25 | SamWise_TheGreat | thats what my logreader said |
| 22:24.27 | karsten | SamWise_TheGreat: It's created/managed by initscripts, which is required in Debian etch. |
| 22:24.33 | karsten | SamWise_TheGreat: "logreader"? |
| 22:24.41 | SamWise_TheGreat | (Nothing has been logged yet.) this is what is in the log |
| 22:24.56 | SamWise_TheGreat | the program called "system log" |
| 22:24.59 | karsten | SamWise_TheGreat: "less /var/log/boot" shows what? |
| 22:25.13 | karsten | SamWise_TheGreat: Lose the gui crap and fire up a terminal. |
| 22:25.20 | SamWise_TheGreat | Permission denied |
| 22:25.44 | SamWise_TheGreat | how do i log my startup? |
| 22:26.01 | SamWise_TheGreat | i need to record the error that i saw that made my startup about 40 seconds longer |
| 22:26.01 | karsten | SamWise_TheGreat: add yourself to the adm group: adduser <your userid> adm. 'exec newgrp bash' for that to take effect in a current shell, otherwise log out and back in again. |
| 22:26.12 | karsten | SamWise_TheGreat: Or: sudo cat /var/log/boot | less |
| 22:26.15 | karsten | !tell SamWise_TheGreat about sudo |
| 22:26.37 | alaya_ | SamWise_TheGreat: AFAIK everything that can be logged in in /var/log/syslog. open it will less, then press shift-g, then /restart, then N |
| 22:26.58 | alaya_ | that will take you to the point of the beginning of the most recent startup |
| 22:27.24 | karsten | alaya_: Some of the boot messages aren't as syslog isn't yet started, IIUC. |
| 22:28.03 | alaya_ | karsten: is there a way to capture them? |
| 22:28.05 | SamuraiDio | hehe |
| 22:28.05 | SamuraiDio | karsten, tnx |
| 22:28.20 | SamuraiDio | the commands on ~/.bashrc will be executed at any login right? even from a login manager like gdm, right? |
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| 22:29.33 | wedgeV | no |
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| 22:29.59 | karsten | SamuraiDio: Yes, any _shell_ _invocation_, unless no initialization is specified. |
| 22:30.07 | karsten | wedgeV: You're thinking .bash_profile |
| 22:30.12 | epp | im out peace |
| 22:30.27 | karsten | alaya_: bootlog |
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| 22:30.31 | karsten | alaya_: ... or baited traps. |
| 22:30.43 | SamuraiDio | tnx |
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| 22:51.10 | SamWise_TheGreat | May 25 00:32:30 localhost kernel: ata2: port failed to respond (30 secs) |
| 22:51.11 | SamWise_TheGreat | May 25 00:32:30 localhost kernel: ata2.01: qc timeout (cmd 0xa1) |
| 22:51.11 | SamWise_TheGreat | May 25 00:32:30 localhost kernel: ata2.01: failed to IDENTIFY (I/O error, err_mask=0x4) |
| 22:51.11 | SamWise_TheGreat | this is what i get when i try to boot debian |
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| 22:52.44 | simmerz | how do i get rid of the BOM at the beginning of a UTF-8 file? |
| 22:53.00 | SamWise_TheGreat | http://paste.debian.net/28789 |
| 22:53.24 | SamWise_TheGreat | that is the pastebin of my faulty bootup |
| 22:53.41 | SamWise_TheGreat | should of made the whole thing... |
| 22:54.05 | SamWise_TheGreat | http://paste.debian.net/28790 this is the bigger version |
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| 22:56.20 | family | Hello |
| 22:56.24 | SamWise_TheGreat | hi |
| 22:57.56 | family | ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage IIC AGP, it is a real old pc (450mhz), but it can't even play xmoto. I think it isn't using a correct video driver, it should be able to play xmoto |
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| 22:57.57 | family | I don't know which driver to use |
| 22:57.57 | family | !ati |
| 22:57.57 | dpkg | Want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz Try to avoid using ati's stuff directy unless you have to. --- I've heard the driver control panel app needs 32bit libs to compile under 64b |
| 22:58.05 | SamWise_TheGreat | does the fglrx driver support your card? |
| 22:58.36 | family | I have no idea |
| 22:58.44 | simmerz | no one know how i can remove the BOM from a file? |
| 22:59.01 | SamWise_TheGreat | nobody knows how to fix my bootup problem? |
| 22:59.24 | family | I don't think it is supported. |
| 22:59.33 | family | What is your bootup problem? |
| 23:00.33 | SamWise_TheGreat | http://paste.debian.net/28790 |
| 23:00.50 | SamWise_TheGreat | btw im not all that skilled with linux |
| 23:01.00 | SamWise_TheGreat | been using for about a year |
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| 23:03.05 | SamWise_TheGreat | family you have any idea? |
| 23:03.22 | family | I was googling it. No relevant results. |
| 23:03.22 | SamWise_TheGreat | im thinking its something to do with my 2gb psp flash memory |
| 23:03.44 | family | Have you tried removing it, and booting? |
| 23:03.50 | SamWise_TheGreat | nope but i will now brb |
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| 23:04.28 | family | That is his problem |
| 23:04.34 | family | Device is 2055MB |
| 23:04.56 | HostilePenguin | sam hows it going |
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| 23:05.23 | HostilePenguin | sam has more questions than you can shake a stick at |
| 23:05.56 | rking | simmerz: please elaborate - do you have a specific file that has a BOM you want to snip off, or do you have a bunch of files that may or may not have the BOM, and want to get them all normalized to not having one? |
| 23:06.10 | simmerz | rking: one file |
| 23:06.26 | rking | simmerz: is a perl one-liner ok? |
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| 23:06.31 | simmerz | rking: perfect |
| 23:06.35 | rking | ~5min |
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| 23:06.51 | afaict | Hi folks! |
| 23:07.16 | jazhambo | How can I get openoffice to export to pdf without fucking up the fonts and making them all squished? |
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| 23:07.30 | afaict | Im running debian 4.0. I installed mysql-server-4.1 but i also installed mysql-server-5.0. Why ? And mysql 5.0 that started in init.d . =/ |
| 23:07.31 | jazhambo | oo brags so much about their pdf export function and it don't even work right! |
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| 23:08.24 | rking | simmerz: just so i can get this right, can you send the file to my email account: rking@panoptic.com - if there's something personal in it you may want to obscure it |
| 23:08.29 | Teejay__ | how do you move files in the terminal |
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| 23:08.49 | rking | simmerz: i think i know what the bom would look like based on reading docs, but since i don't recall seeing one in the wild i'd rather be safe than sorry |
| 23:08.55 | psylon | Has anybody used anna-install to pull a udeb in during a netinstall? I need to customize our etch netinstaller to support 3ware's newest cards. |
| 23:08.57 | rking | Teejay__: mv a b |
| 23:09.10 | SamWise_TheGreat | didnt work im going to try unplugging all my usb devices now and see if it boots ok |
| 23:09.17 | rking | Teejay__: you would probably like reading a linux/unix shell tutorial (google) |
| 23:09.35 | afaict | Im running debian 4.0. I installed mysql-server-4.1 but it also installed mysql-server-5.0. Why ? And mysql 5.0 that started in init.d . =/ |
| 23:09.39 | Teejay__ | ty |
| 23:11.06 | psylon | afaict: do an apt-cache show mysql-server-4.1, it looks like etch only supports 5 now. |
| 23:11.55 | afaict | psylon: u are right. thanks |
| 23:12.01 | simmerz | rking: sent. thanks |
| 23:12.21 | afaict | cya folks; |
| 23:12.44 | psylon | So anybody customize the netinstaller? :-) |
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| 23:17.07 | rking | simmerz: strangely, i'm not seeing it in my inbox yet still. DCC send maybe? |
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| 23:18.36 | DavidProck1981 | when i start iceweasel it opens up quickly, But the icon for it bounces for ever beside my mouse, and intill the icon on my mouse goes away there is a extra item in my task bar, Any one else have that happening to them? |
| 23:18.38 | simmerz | rking: sending |
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| 23:19.39 | rking | simmerz: got vim? |
| 23:20.26 | simmerz | rking: yeah |
| 23:20.37 | Bushmills | DavidProck1981: turn off effects, such as bouncing mouse pointer |
| 23:20.44 | rking | simmerz: open it, :set nobomb then :w |
| 23:20.52 | DavidProck1981 | how |
| 23:20.57 | rking | simmerz: or do you need an automated way so you can do it repeatedly? |
| 23:21.24 | Bushmills | DavidProck1981: preferences, or configuration |
| 23:21.25 | DavidProck1981 | Bushmills, what gives me the option to do that |
| 23:21.37 | simmerz | rking: vim way is fine! thanks. didn't know about that. googled vim bom remove but it didn't find me much |
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| 23:21.52 | Bushmills | DavidProck1981: that depends a bit on the windows manager you use |
| 23:21.56 | rking | simmerz: yeah - i found it via :help bom |
| 23:21.59 | DavidProck1981 | KDE |
| 23:22.20 | Bushmills | there's a dialog in the configuration for it |
| 23:22.29 | DavidProck1981 | k |
| 23:22.53 | simmerz | rking: many thanks |
| 23:23.08 | rking | simmerz: np - thanks for giving me something to learn about. =) |
| 23:23.18 | Seb | doesn't aptitude have "source" like apt-get does ? |
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| 23:27.44 | Seb | that sure silenced the crowd heh |
| 23:28.04 | talisker | What's the linux equivalent to windows' "net send"? |
| 23:28.09 | karsten | Seb: Yes. |
| 23:28.14 | wols | talisker: smbclient probably |
| 23:28.15 | karsten | talisker: wall |
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| 23:28.31 | itchi | talisker: That's to send messages to other clients? Right? |
| 23:28.33 | Seb | karsten: yes it does have that ? |
| 23:28.34 | karsten | talisker: smbclient on smb networks, in general. Depends on what you mean by equivalent. |
| 23:28.45 | talisker | I want to send him a popup message |
| 23:28.57 | Bushmills | talisker? another whiskey? |
| 23:29.14 | Bushmills | heavy bog flavour? |
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| 23:29.34 | talisker | Another whiskey? The ONLY whiskey |
| 23:29.44 | karsten | Seb: See prior answer |
| 23:29.56 | karsten | Bushmills: talisker wins |
| 23:30.05 | Bushmills | scratchy stuff |
| 23:30.11 | karsten | Bushmills: Damned straight. |
| 23:30.30 | Seb | karsten: i didn't get any |
| 23:30.42 | talisker | I like Irish whiskey, but it's no match for the boggy, salty stuff they make on the norhtern Islands |
| 23:31.18 | karsten | Seb: Do you have apt-src lines in sources.list? |
| 23:31.22 | karsten | Seb: man 5 sources.list |
| 23:31.41 | Seb | karsten: i do. I'm asking how to pull source packages using aptitude. |
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| 23:32.07 | itchi | "Try the Moo Shu Pork. It is especially good today." |
| 23:32.09 | talisker | How do I send 192.168.1.5 the message "foo"? |
| 23:32.18 | Seb | karsten: and i take it you mean deb-src ;) |
| 23:32.27 | itchi | talisker: I don't think there's a 'default' tool for it |
| 23:32.29 | karsten | Seb: That too |
| 23:32.36 | talisker | is there any tool for it? |
| 23:32.48 | karsten | talisker: What's 192.168.1.5 running? |
| 23:32.54 | itchi | talisker: Cause if you may think, that tool is not yet right in a way |
| 23:33.00 | karsten | talisker: Windows? Samba client? Just plain-jane Linux? |
| 23:33.06 | talisker | Windows |
| 23:33.20 | karsten | talisker: smbclient has an option to do that somewhere. /join #samba |
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| 23:33.37 | talisker | It doesn't run a samba client |
| 23:33.58 | karsten | talisker: Your Linux box does, or will need to. |
| 23:34.14 | karsten | talisker: The Windows box has to have whatever windosy stuff it needs to have to make this work. |
| 23:34.19 | karsten | talisker: Most of 'em do. |
| 23:34.31 | karsten | talisker: ... but that's pretty OT here. |
| 23:34.54 | karsten | Seb: I thought it was aptitude -dy source <package> or similar. |
| 23:35.18 | karsten | Seb: Can't find it in the manpage. You can use apt-get, won't matter since all you're doing is d/l'ing the source package to PWD. |
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| 23:36.37 | flyinprogramer | if i do, usermod -aG nameofgroup Username < that will simply add a group to the user, it won't get rid of all the groups the user is currently a part of will it? |
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| 23:36.58 | itchi | Now we are on it, to send to linux boxes, are there a 'net send' equivalent? |
| 23:37.14 | Vasistha | flyinprogramer: yeah, -aG is the key there |
| 23:37.26 | flyinprogramer | ok |
| 23:37.27 | flyinprogramer | thanks |
| 23:38.03 | itchi | I meaned from linux to linux heh |
| 23:40.38 | x_link | Haven't KDE 3.5.6 survived 10 days in Sid yet? ;D |
| 23:43.21 | daag | itchi, try "talk" or "ytalk" |
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| 23:44.32 | Vasistha | !why is kde not in testing |
| 23:44.32 | dpkg | kde is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=kde |
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| 23:47.14 | mango | how do u romove mysql server in debian |
| 23:47.44 | dvs | mango: did you use dpkg to install it? |
| 23:47.55 | itchi | daag: Thanks |
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| 23:49.32 | Vasistha | mango: use the aptitude front-end to search for mysql, and remove the ones you don't want |
| 23:49.46 | mango | dvs: i used synaptic, but it does not let me do it |
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| 23:50.08 | Vasistha | mango: what kinda error message is it giving you? |
| 23:50.10 | dvs | mango: synaptic won't let you remove mysql? |
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| 23:52.10 | mango | dvs: what hapened is I have installed media wiki, but I have made a mistake and deleted the user root from the sql server or apache without giving all privelges to my self as a normal user. can you please tell me how to remove sql all together so I can start from scratch please |
| 23:53.00 | Vasistha | mango: visit #mysql and they'll tell you how to restore your root user password, then you won't have to uninstall/reinstall anything |
| 23:53.05 | dvs | mango: I don't know how you can uninstall any package without a root user |
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| 23:53.28 | dvs | oh. mysql has a root user of it's own. |
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| 23:53.38 | mango | Vasistha, dvs: thanks |
| 23:53.50 | flyinprogramer | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:53.56 | Vasistha | !webmin |
| 23:53.56 | dpkg | webmin is probably a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 23:53.57 | mango | dvs: yes it deos |
| 23:54.11 | bytekode` | haha |
| 23:55.02 | flyinprogramer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:55.30 | flyinprogramer | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:55.33 | bytekode` | !phpbb |
| 23:55.33 | dpkg | methinks phpbb is a PHP Bulletin Board. try #phpbb. Package name is phpbb2 in sarge/etch. apt-cache search phpbb |
| 23:55.45 | bytekode` | aw, was hoping for a "insecure pos" :| |
| 23:55.58 | flyinprogramer | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:56.01 | flyinprogramer | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:56.11 | bungopolis | is there a way to use a particular package repo for only certain packages? Say if I was running stable but wanted a few packages from testing? |
| 23:56.15 | *** join/#debian NsOmNiAc (n=nsomniac@adsl-75-32-168-35.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) |
| 23:56.23 | Taza | You mean someone doesn't know how insecure phpbb is? |
| 23:56.33 | Miles_Prower | A free software emulation of windows: OpenBSOD |
| 23:57.19 | Vasistha | bungopolis: yeah, it's called apt pinning. you should also check out backports |
| 23:58.14 | bungopolis | cool I'll check that out |
| 23:58.45 | Vasistha | flyinprogramer: it's true that none of those bugs are going to effect you, but the fact that lots of similar-looking bugs have appeared and been dealt with is cause for concern. just because those bugs were fixed in previous versions, doesn't mean there's not still several bugs that can compromise your system. |
| 23:59.22 | *** join/#debian Pons (n=pons@unaffiliated/pons) |
| 23:59.24 | Vasistha | !tell bungopolis -about pinning |
| 23:59.27 | flyinprogramer | o sure i never said it was perfect :P |
| 23:59.28 | *** part/#debian mango (n=mango@81.168.125.252) |
| 23:59.39 | flyinprogramer | anyone know of anything similar, but better ? |
| 23:59.48 | bungopolis | thanks vasistha |
