| 00:00.04 | Vasistha | flyinprogramer: ssh |
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| 00:00.34 | Vasistha | flyinprogramer: heh, you've said enough |
| 00:00.51 | flyinprogramer | ..... he blocks every port, no joke, all but 80 |
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| 00:01.11 | flyinprogramer | so no ssh |
| 00:01.14 | flyinprogramer | no https |
| 00:01.15 | Tomasu | I'm trying to decide which set of xen packages to install, whats the difference between the vserver and non vserver? |
| 00:01.16 | flyinprogramer | no ssl |
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| 00:01.18 | flyinprogramer | no pop3 |
| 00:01.33 | krazykit | flyinprogramer, whoever this is, is insane. |
| 00:01.38 | flyinprogramer | o i know |
| 00:01.50 | Bushmills | flyinprogramer: use openvpn |
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| 00:02.44 | flyinprogramer | i don't admin through a GUI |
| 00:02.54 | Bushmills | eh? |
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| 00:03.15 | flyinprogramer | jesus |
| 00:03.15 | Bushmills | not sure how vpn relates to gui |
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| 00:03.35 | flyinprogramer | sorry |
| 00:03.36 | flyinprogramer | my bad |
| 00:03.40 | mitridate | my computer wasn't shut down cleanly a couple times, and after that my gnome installation has been really screwy -- no key combination will bring up the run dialog, I have to kill bonobo-activation-server to start several programs...does anyone have any idea why this might be happening, and what I can do about it? I'm on debian testing. thanks. |
| 00:03.47 | flyinprogramer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:04.23 | bytekode` | reinstall ? |
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| 00:05.10 | mitridate | I went to tasks in aptitude, |
| 00:05.16 | mitridate | then did gnome desktop environment... |
| 00:05.19 | mitridate | still no go |
| 00:05.45 | mitridate | I switched out ~/.gconf and ~/.gconfd, that's helped a bit with bonobo problem, but hasn't solved it |
| 00:06.01 | mitridate | and def. hasn't helped with not being able to call the run dialog! |
| 00:06.23 | flyinprogramer | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:06.32 | flyinprogramer | back up your data, and fresh install |
| 00:06.48 | flyinprogramer | it only takes 20 minuets once you get backed up |
| 00:07.13 | karsten | flyinprogramer: Bogus advice. |
| 00:07.26 | karsten | flyinprogramer: Reinstall OS to fix gnome fuckwittage? |
| 00:07.30 | mitridate | I'd really rather not go to the fresh install extent |
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| 00:07.34 | mitridate | though |
| 00:07.39 | mitridate | xfce is also screwed up now |
| 00:07.45 | flyinprogramer | hey, hes got weird problems, corrupted files, |
| 00:07.51 | mitridate | though I think that takes settings from gnome, doesn't it? |
| 00:07.57 | flyinprogramer | fresh install takes minutes to an hour |
| 00:08.09 | flyinprogramer | or he can deal with tracking down everything that's broken |
| 00:08.13 | flyinprogramer | pick your poison |
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| 00:08.18 | karsten | mitridate: One option: move your $HOME to a different name, create an empty $HOME directory with appropriate ownership / perms. |
| 00:08.52 | karsten | mitridate: See if that sorts your gnome/xfce issues. You can then copy stuff (other than gnome/xfce4) back into your new home directory. |
| 00:09.04 | wardyx | i need help on libnss-pgsql |
| 00:09.07 | karsten | mitridate: Or get a clue and ditch gnome. |
| 00:09.11 | karsten | !tell wardyx about ask |
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| 00:09.19 | Pons | guys, does any of you know if I can exec a command for notification after a ssh login, or a ssh login failure? |
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| 00:09.29 | Skoal | what do you guys use to cross reference source code when you program shit? |
| 00:09.40 | karsten | Pons: Clarify your question. |
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| 00:10.26 | pabs3 | anyone know how to get pan to cache all articles in a newsgroup? |
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| 00:10.44 | Pons | karsten, ok. If someone logs in through ssh, i'd like it to make the computer run a command for logging it to a different file, and only access and login failures |
| 00:10.55 | karsten | pabs3: You probably want leafnode if you're trying to do that. |
| 00:11.16 | karsten | Pons: man syslogd |
| 00:11.28 | wardyx | anyone here uses libnss-pgsql for user authentication? |
| 00:11.35 | karsten | Pons: You only want to log the login event, or you want to log the entire session? |
| 00:11.40 | karsten | !tell wardyx about ask |
| 00:11.44 | karsten | wardyx: Just ask your question |
| 00:11.47 | ezu5t | hi folks. I notice sometimes in packages, there is a packagename.install file, with lines that seem to indicate that some directories must be installed in different places (other than where they are laid out in the source tarball)... but is there any documentation that describes this file and what the lines mean? |
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| 00:11.49 | Pons | some events |
| 00:11.56 | ezu5t | [in the debian/ directory |
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| 00:12.08 | Pons | but not just log it, i'd like to be able to make it run something for notification |
| 00:12.10 | mitridate | karsten: and what should I replace gnome with? kde is...okay. depends on my mood, I guess. |
| 00:12.11 | Skoal | anyone know what the linux developers channel is |
| 00:12.11 | itsikarg | hi - how do i get the public key for deb http://www.edevelop.org/debian unstable main? |
| 00:12.31 | karsten | Pons: Login logging: that's handled through syslogd. Events: harder. You'd have to write a wrapper, I'm not aware of a generalized solution, nor one that can't be readily defeated. |
| 00:12.39 | flyinprogramer | anyone know how to fix my backspace acting as a delete key issue? |
| 00:12.54 | karsten | Skoal: /msg chanserv help; /msg chanserv list *channel-name-pattern* |
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| 00:13.08 | karsten | itsikarg: /topic |
| 00:13.09 | Pons | karsten, i can make the wrapper, not hard enough. Thank you for your advices ;) |
| 00:13.16 | karsten | Pons: NP. |
| 00:13.26 | wardyx | i dont know how to authenticate via libnss-pgsql i dont get errors, but surely i cant login either |
| 00:13.47 | karsten | Pons: You might also be able to write something to snoop the pty and log all I/O, though that would be Officially Sneaky[tm]. |
| 00:13.57 | itsikarg | karsten, what do you mean? |
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| 00:14.09 | flyinprogramer | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:14.16 | karsten | wardyx: Where are you looking for errors? wardyx ... and this might also be more appropriate on another channel. |
| 00:14.21 | BadHorsie | what was the name of that application that rhythmbox could use to discover music across a network? |
| 00:14.21 | karsten | !topicsmite itsikarg |
| 00:14.22 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon itsikarg. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 00:14.25 | karsten | itsikarg: Read the channel topic. |
| 00:14.42 | BadHorsie | whoa! Hail Lenny! |
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| 00:16.07 | itsikarg | karsten, does it mean that i'm not supposed to ask this kind of question here? |
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| 00:16.25 | simonrvn | itsikarg: no, it means the answer is in the channel topic |
| 00:16.36 | karsten | itsikarg: If you're smart, yes, it does. |
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| 00:16.43 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 00:17.00 | Skoal | Does anybody know a developers channel off the top of their head? |
| 00:17.06 | karsten | itsikarg: Do you *really* have to ask that? |
| 00:17.14 | karsten | Skoal: #debian-devel |
| 00:18.04 | itsikarg | i dont really understand IRC lingo |
| 00:18.35 | simonrvn | how is "do you really have to ask that?" 'irc lingo'? |
| 00:18.38 | karsten | itsikarg: Yes. '/msg dpkg no public key' in your IRC client. |
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| 00:20.09 | itsikarg | last question - very sorry to wate your time . it says 'ask me about etch keys', how do i do that? |
| 00:20.27 | simonrvn | means ask the bot about that, 'etch keys' |
| 00:20.33 | itsikarg | i understand |
| 00:20.34 | amphi | itsikarg: the same way, /msg dkg blah |
| 00:20.43 | amphi | *dpkg |
| 00:20.43 | BadHorsie | copye paste is that hard this days... |
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| 00:21.30 | simonrvn | no, i see what's going on, it's his/her first time (or close to it) on irc, and s/he's probably very confused |
| 00:21.48 | BadHorsie | itsikarg: are you blonde? |
| 00:22.24 | simonrvn | itsikarg: thinking about the questions beforehand would help a lot, both you, and us - maybe you have, but *seems* to me you haven't |
| 00:22.26 | itsikarg | BadHorsie, juts inexperienced..... |
| 00:22.37 | simonrvn | *nod* |
| 00:23.12 | simonrvn | that's why a bit of research pays off. people won't get impatient with you, because then it seems that you did some homework first |
| 00:23.24 | simonrvn | people like that, esp. in f/oss |
| 00:23.34 | itsikarg | simonrvn, with respect - if you know what it means that it makes a lot of sense , however if you never sed IRC before ,its not that intuitive |
| 00:23.36 | simonrvn | (well, everywhere, tbh) |
| 00:24.11 | simonrvn | yeh, certainly at first, that's why readign a decent irc faq is helpful |
| 00:24.39 | BadHorsie | let's give him a chance, a command starts with /command, like `/msg <target>` would message <target> about something, `/msg dpkg hi` would message dpkg and say hi |
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| 00:25.04 | simonrvn | well more like saying hi in a /msg query to that nick |
| 00:25.28 | itsikarg | BadHorsie, thanks for the cahnce, i do understand that now.... |
| 00:26.52 | karsten | flyinprogramer: Turn that off |
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| 00:31.40 | psykidellic | hi...a very newbie question...how do you add a user to a group? |
| 00:31.48 | karsten | psykidellic: man adduser |
| 00:32.05 | psykidellic | karsten, thanks. |
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| 00:33.25 | Skoal | hey guys, any idea why emerge world isnt working????? |
| 00:33.29 | Skoal | oops wrong channel |
| 00:34.33 | Saar | any idea how to fix "The following packages have unmet dependencies:" when apt-get -f install wont work and apt-get dist-upgrade neither |
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| 00:35.19 | Saar | Errors were encountered while processing: |
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| 00:35.29 | Saar | sorry :) |
| 00:35.43 | Saar | can i tell apt to ignore those? |
| 00:35.56 | karsten | Skoal: Right channel, wrong distro ;-) |
| 00:36.11 | karsten | Saar: Sure. Fix the problem. |
| 00:36.20 | Saar | yeah |
| 00:36.39 | karsten | Saar: First option: update your package list, or run aptitude (interactively) to resolve the deps. |
| 00:36.40 | Saar | how would i fix this? libsm6: Depends: libice6 (>= 1:1.0.0) but 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge4 is installed |
| 00:36.51 | Saar | Depends: x11-common but it is not installed |
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| 00:37.42 | karsten | Saar: aptitude has an interactive mode which allows you to resolv deps. Select that package (eg: zope-common), see what's listed as conflicts/unmet, see if there's a version available which satisfies the requirement. |
| 00:37.43 | BACbKA | hi folks! i'm configuring a wifi-capable laptop for the 1st time (typing through the wifi now). Please confirm I understand the debian reference/network config document correctly on the following: i want to automatically connect through the lan when plugged in; whenever not, I want wifi conn'n if possible. The only way I see is manually launch waproamd on the lan down, and stop it on the lan up. Is there a better/modern way? |
| 00:37.54 | Vasistha | Saar: 1. what version of debian are you using? (if you don't know, cat /etc/debian_version) 2. pastebin your sources.list |
| 00:38.03 | karsten | Saar: ... and don't mix testing/unstable + stable (common cause of this problem). |
| 00:38.03 | Saar | karsten: ok will try, thanks |
| 00:38.16 | Saar | sarge -> etch upgrade |
| 00:38.21 | Vasistha | BACbKA: well, there's networkmanager ... that's kinda nice for some people |
| 00:38.25 | karsten | Saar: Ahh. In-process? |
| 00:38.32 | Saar | yeah :) |
| 00:38.34 | Vasistha | BACbKA: it has some limitations, but it's good at doing that |
| 00:38.48 | Saar | it's the second last server, one of those bound to cause problems ;-) |
| 00:38.58 | BACbKA | vasistha right now I connected through the networkmanager, but it's too gnomish for my taste |
| 00:38.59 | Vasistha | Saar: try running your dist-upgrade with a -f (fix) flag |
| 00:39.01 | Saar | the rest went all fine |
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| 00:39.09 | Saar | Vasistha: i did |
| 00:39.16 | Saar | i'll see what aptitude does |
| 00:39.27 | Vasistha | BACbKA: there's a couple different flavors of nm, e.g. there's a kde version |
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| 00:39.42 | Vasistha | !info vhcs |
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| 00:39.44 | BACbKA | vasistha: I'd like a system-level thing, not something run by user |
| 00:39.54 | Vasistha | <dpkg> Package 'vhcs' does not exist. |
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| 00:40.10 | zinx | flyinprogramer: yeah. because no one has packaged it. |
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| 00:40.38 | DawnLight | what does ctrl + z do? i never meant to press it... can i bring it back? |
| 00:40.39 | zepeuga | if i create a new network in wpa_supplicant.conf it will appear in gnome-network-manager? or i can write it manually ? |
| 00:40.53 | tarzeau | DawnLight: type fg |
| 00:40.53 | Saar | ack aptitude's f10 for menu is caught by the terminal whichj displays its menu |
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| 00:41.05 | Vasistha | DawnLight: it means, pause the current process, in your shell. You can put it in the background with bg, or the foreground with fg |
| 00:41.22 | zinx | you have a terminal that takes over F10? o_O |
| 00:41.46 | BACbKA | saar ctrl-T works too |
| 00:41.52 | DawnLight | i'll look up in the manuals about this. i use screen for these kinds of things. thanks |
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| 00:42.23 | Rusty1 | Saar, most ppl install zope from a tarball in user space rather than using apt - |
| 00:42.23 | sayers | hello, how is Lenny? |
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| 00:42.44 | Vasistha | BACbKA: well, I've never tried to set that stuff up to happen automatically :) it sounds like you're ahead of me in the game. If it ain't broke, why fix it? |
| 00:42.49 | sayers | Is it usable? Is it good? |
| 00:42.49 | tarzeau | zinx: such terminals suck badly |
| 00:42.53 | tarzeau | zinx: gnome-terminal is one of those |
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| 00:43.00 | Vasistha | sayers: how experienced are you with debian? |
| 00:43.17 | tarzeau | sayers: no, it's testing |
| 00:43.19 | zinx | tarzeau: no doubt, F10 with no modifiers (actually *anything* with no modifiers) should be strictly hands-off |
| 00:43.22 | tarzeau | sayers: testing absolutely sucks |
| 00:43.37 | sayers | Alright. I am experienced with debian, sortof... |
| 00:43.39 | zinx | tarzeau: if they made a design mistake like that, they probably made many more :) |
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| 00:43.48 | tarzeau | zinx: it's gnome. yes they did |
| 00:43.54 | Vasistha | sayers: well, my question was, "how experienced are you..." |
| 00:43.55 | tarzeau | zinx: just look at their file dialogs |
| 00:44.18 | Saar | BACbKA: ctrl-T cause the terminal to create another tab |
| 00:44.33 | itsikarg | now i know you will kick me off the channel for asking this- but i googled and followed the bot suggestion (/msn no keys..) but still no key found for edevolp.com |
| 00:44.38 | sayers | Why does it seem bad to have more than one Desktop Environment installed. |
| 00:44.40 | tarzeau | zinx: ctrl-t is also broken! |
| 00:44.47 | zinx | hahahaha |
| 00:44.51 | Saar | ctrl-t wont work |
| 00:44.56 | Saar | notice the case |
| 00:44.56 | simonrvn | itsikarg: yeh, they might not have one at all |
| 00:44.58 | zinx | ditch that terminal |
| 00:44.59 | tarzeau | sayers: you should try xterm |
| 00:45.02 | tarzeau | or terminal.app |
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| 00:45.14 | sayers | xterm? |
| 00:45.15 | simonrvn | itsikarg: some sites don't... still using the pre-gpg key setups |
| 00:45.17 | Saar | i will |
| 00:45.24 | tarzeau | zinx: i wonder what the author of the terminal was on when he wrote that |
| 00:45.31 | zinx | tarzeau: "This is some good crack" |
| 00:45.36 | BACbKA | vasistha never mind... I just didn't want to reinvent the wheel --- it seems such an obvious thing to have been done by somebody already... but my googling didn't turn anything up, so I am afraid there is another way to do it in interfaces(5), w/o manually start/stop the waproamd |
| 00:45.43 | BACbKA | (from interfaces) |
| 00:45.53 | Vasistha | BACbKA: well, there *may* be :) |
| 00:46.22 | tarzeau | zinx: http://linuks.mine.nu/020302.jpg comes to mind |
| 00:46.23 | Vasistha | BACbKA: there is the ifplugd package -- that reacts to wired ethernet plugging/unplugging events. You might be able to configure that |
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| 00:47.03 | itsikarg | simonrvn, thank you for your information |
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| 00:48.26 | karsten | Saar: dpkg --reconfigure -a is also good. |
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| 00:49.22 | BACbKA | saar, zinx: gnome-terminal needs ctrl-shift-t not ctrl-t here on etch |
| 00:49.56 | zinx | since when the f' has shift started messing with ctrl-* |
| 00:50.23 | Saar | karsten: i ran that, no luck |
| 00:50.44 | Vasistha | zinx: I might have written that as ctrl+[a-z] ;) |
| 00:51.04 | Saar | BACbKA: yes I assumed when you said ctrl-T you meant shift t, but i tried ctrl-t which didnt work, i run aptitude in xterm now |
| 00:51.35 | BACbKA | saar i prefer konsole anyway because of its bidi rendering (i need hebrew) |
| 00:51.44 | Saar | right |
| 00:51.53 | Saar | yeah but the console is in a noisy server room ;-) |
| 00:51.56 | Saar | so i use ssh |
| 00:52.00 | BACbKA | saar |
| 00:52.06 | BACbKA | i mean "konsole" |
| 00:52.08 | flyinprogramer | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:52.08 | flyinprogramer | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:52.08 | flyinprogramer | E: Broken packages |
| 00:52.10 | BACbKA | it's a package |
| 00:52.16 | sayers | I have a problem with KDE : The keyboard stopeed working. |
| 00:52.18 | Saar | oh duh, sorry :) |
| 00:52.43 | BACbKA | it's only drawback is that it drags in some kdelibs, so if you are mostly gnome user it bites you by around 12M |
| 00:52.58 | Saar | aptitude appears to do stuff, it doesnt give up as quickly? |
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| 00:53.08 | Saar | must admit i barely use it |
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| 00:54.25 | karsten | Saar: aptitude is teh shiznit |
| 00:54.27 | Vasistha | sayers: hum. maybe it's crashing? ctrl+alt+f2 ? |
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| 00:54.51 | Vasistha | Saar: why would he need all of those symbols of good luck when he has aptitude :D |
| 00:55.08 | Vasistha | erm, oops |
| 00:55.14 | Vasistha | s/Saar/karsten/ |
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| 00:58.05 | Vasistha | depends whether you subscribe to the belief that the whole is greater than the sum of the parts |
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| 00:58.47 | Saar | Karsten: ;-) |
| 00:59.12 | Saar | ugh i should remove X anyways, too much bloat |
| 00:59.26 | karsten | Saar: Remove tetex and perl! |
| 00:59.43 | Vasistha | heh, next, maybe the gnome-terminal people will bind ctrl-a |
| 00:59.45 | Saar | nooo :) |
| 00:59.52 | Saar | i hope so |
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| 01:09.19 | timothy | hey, I'm installing debian, and there are 3 xens |
| 01:09.24 | rking | i'd like to disable /schemas/apps/gnome-terminal/keybindings/switch_to_tab_1 (Alt+1). I see it here in /usr/share/gconf/schemas/gnome-terminal.schemas , but i'm not sure the right way to disable it, i'm assuming some override goes in $HOME somewhere. Any clues? |
| 01:09.53 | timothy | which one do I want? the one with no version number, just 2.6 or 2.6-18? |
| 01:10.07 | Saar | ugh, apt-get now says: E: Couldn't configure pre-depend zope-common for zope2.9, probably a dependency cycle. |
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| 01:10.52 | rking | Saar: maybe you're going to have to manually download and `dpkg -i` some stuff, possibly with --force-depends ? |
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| 01:11.33 | Saar | i am afraid so yes |
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| 01:13.46 | Vasistha | timothy: at the immediate moment, the three will install the same package. but in the future, they will do different things... |
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| 01:14.47 | zepeuga | how can i remove older versions of my kernel ? |
| 01:15.02 | zepeuga | they are all listed in my grub |
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| 01:15.22 | kopf_ | is there an easy way to find out what video card i have on linux? |
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| 01:15.47 | zepeuga | lspci |
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| 01:15.53 | Vasistha | zepeuga: you should be able to remove them with aptitude |
| 01:15.58 | kopf_ | zepeuga: thanks |
| 01:16.13 | zepeuga | i don't have aptitude, can't i remove it with apt? |
| 01:16.21 | kupesoft | I have etch on my system and my motherboard vendor has released a bios update as an .exe file. What's the best way to install this? |
| 01:16.50 | kopf_ | should i be able to use composite windows in X with a Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 661/741/760/761 PCI/AGP VGA Display Adapter? |
| 01:16.51 | Vasistha | zepeuga: sure. you should get, learn, and use aptitude, though ;) |
| 01:17.36 | zepeuga | why's that ? apt does all thing, why use aptitude ? :) |
| 01:17.59 | kopf_ | aptitude does my bloody head in |
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| 01:18.30 | Vasistha | zepeuga: if you install a package, and that package pulls in dependencies, and then uninstall the package later, then aptitude will automatically remove the automatically-pulled-in dependencies. apt will leave junk on your system |
| 01:18.40 | Vasistha | !why aptitude |
| 01:18.40 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info |
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| 01:20.30 | zepeuga | Vasistha, no if i put apt-get remove --purge |
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| 01:20.41 | zepeuga | ohhh |
| 01:20.47 | zepeuga | u're talking about dependencies |
| 01:20.47 | zepeuga | ok |
| 01:21.07 | zepeuga | i've aptitude in front of me, where do i remove old kernel ? |
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| 01:22.09 | Vasistha | zepeuga: press 'l' to filter the list, then you can give it several parameters to filter by. I'll try and come up with something intelligent for you, if you'll give me a second ;) |
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| 01:22.52 | zepeuga | ok |
| 01:22.58 | hackmiker | can synaptic remove unneeded deps? |
| 01:23.40 | Vasistha | zepeuga: ~i~n^(linux|kernel)-image |
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| 01:24.36 | Vasistha | zepeuga: the ~i restricts to installed packages; the ~n is for a package name; the rest is a regex to find both linux-image and kernel-image named kernels |
| 01:24.47 | zepeuga | hmm ok |
| 01:24.50 | zepeuga | i understanded |
| 01:25.16 | zepeuga | understood |
| 01:25.42 | zepeuga | synaptic also does that removing dependencies as hackmiker asked? |
| 01:26.03 | magyar | hi, is there a way to enable copy and paste within aptitude? |
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| 01:26.41 | Vasistha | hackmiker, zepeuga : it can, but you've got to get all the auto- vs manual- markings correct, first, which is a bit of work if you have a system you've been using for a while with apt-get |
| 01:27.02 | hackmiker | huh |
| 01:27.03 | zepeuga | hmm ok thx |
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| 01:27.21 | zepeuga | i have to leave now. thanks vasistha. bye! |
| 01:27.38 | hackmiker | Vasistha, do i have to do that with aptitude then? |
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| 01:27.49 | memzy_ | hi |
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| 01:28.50 | Vasistha | hackmiker: aptitude has a sense of packages being "manually installed" or "automatically installed". pulled-in-dependencies are generally marked as "automatically installed" and will be automatically uninstalled if it is found that no installed packages depend on them. However, if you've been using your system with apt-get for a while, then some of the packages which should be marked auto may be marked manual; and vice versa. |
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| 01:30.18 | Vasistha | magyar: hmm, not that I know. did you read /usr/share/aptitude/README ? |
| 01:30.35 | magyar | Vasistha: nope |
| 01:30.41 | magyar | but will now |
| 01:30.43 | magyar | :) |
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| 01:33.41 | magyar | Vasistha: "select |The Select key. " where is the Select key on my keyboard? |
| 01:34.01 | Vasistha | magyar: hehheh ... I've never heard of such a thing :D I'm going to read that doc now... |
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| 01:35.41 | memzy_ | could someone tell me how to make my mouse scroll faster? |
| 01:35.54 | memzy_ | it takes me ten years to cross the screen currently |
| 01:35.57 | Vasistha | magyar: I don't know where these people get their keyboards :) heh |
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| 01:36.02 | concept10 | how do you list the file systems supported by current running kernel? |
| 01:36.02 | nemrak | hello |
| 01:36.11 | nemrak | i was wondering how to get java applets to work with firefox |
| 01:36.17 | amphi | concept10: /proc/filesystems IIRC |
| 01:36.17 | Vasistha | memzy_: well, your DE probably has a setting in its control panel. What DE are you using? (gnome? kde?) |
| 01:36.30 | nemrak | it actually shows up as ice weasel for some reason (a bit annoying) |
| 01:36.34 | memzy_ | im running icewm |
| 01:36.55 | magyar | Vasistha: -_- |
| 01:36.55 | Vasistha | concept10: although it may be possible to modprobe others |
| 01:37.13 | concept10 | amphi, thanks.. no wonder this box always locks while attempting to mount NTFS |
| 01:37.42 | nemrak | and i'm using lenny |
| 01:37.52 | Vasistha | concept10: for example, I can modprobe reiserfs, and then it is added to /proc/filesystems |
| 01:38.05 | Vasistha | !iceweasel |
| 01:38.05 | dpkg | it has been said that iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is currently different from the browser with the same name from GNU (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla) although it is possible that the two projects will join forces in the future. To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>. |
| 01:38.16 | concept10 | Vasistha, yep, that worked for me |
| 01:38.30 | Vasistha | nemrak: hum. you can also check out the wikipedia article for iceweasel. At any rate, you probably need to install java... |
| 01:38.35 | Vasistha | !tell nemrak about install java |
| 01:38.36 | concept10 | Some reason I thought all kernels included ntfs module |
| 01:38.56 | nemrak | ok thanks i wil read that |
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| 01:39.48 | memzy_ | !why iceweasel |
| 01:39.48 | dpkg | Why iceweasel? Debian cannot comply with the conditions necessary to distribute firefox and call it firefox, so we have changed the name to iceweasel. See http://bugs.debian.org/354622 for more information. |
| 01:39.54 | litage | i noticed that /etc/cron.d/vnstat has "0-55/5" for the minutes field. does this mean "between minutes 0 and 55, execute 5 times"? |
| 01:40.14 | metbsd | what's iceweasel? |
| 01:40.23 | memzy_ | firefox by any other name |
| 01:40.28 | Snake-Eyes | I just upgraded to etch and I noticed that /var/log/boot is not getting logged to when the machine boots up (this may have started happening before etch upgrade). Any idea's what I should check ? |
| 01:40.29 | metbsd | haha |
| 01:41.01 | nemrak | ice weasel seems less appealing than firefox |
| 01:41.10 | \amethyst | litage: it means 'between 0 and 55, by 5-minute intervals' |
| 01:41.23 | metbsd | so if i installed the iso, should i upgrade to something else? |
| 01:41.33 | litage | \amethyst: ah thanks |
| 01:41.50 | nemrak | Vasistha, okay i installed sablevm and it is still saying no plugin found |
| 01:41.52 | memzy_ | okay its actually a touchpad and my problem is it takes me an hour to cross the screen, I have a fresh and pretty minimal etch install and im running icewm |
| 01:41.58 | memzy_ | can anyone help me? |
| 01:42.00 | nemrak | Vasistha, its saying that i need the java runtime environment |
| 01:42.04 | Vasistha | nemrak: yeah, I agree, it's not as nice a name, and I like the FF art. But, something had to be done. |
| 01:42.23 | Vasistha | nemrak: did you follow the instructions that dpkg msg'd you about installing java? |
| 01:42.48 | nemrak | Vasistha, yeah, it said search for java-virtual-machine and i did and this is the package that corresponded with the description |
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| 01:42.59 | Vasistha | nemrak: ...so... did you install it? |
| 01:43.24 | nemrak | Vasistha, yeah i installed it, the package was named sablevm |
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| 01:44.33 | Vasistha | nemrak: you'll need to quit iceweasel and reopen it, btw |
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| 01:45.23 | nemrak | Vasistha, yeah it actually wasnt opened to begin with haha, do i need to do the java-package and then download the jre and turn it into a .deb file then install like that? |
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| 01:46.28 | nemrak | the ice weasel download manager is horrible haha |
| 01:46.30 | Vasistha | nemrak: I don't think so. Why don't you just see if sablevm works |
| 01:46.42 | asg | memzy_: if you run (as root) 'rmmod psmouse ; modprobe psmouse' does the mouse work as normal? |
| 01:46.46 | timothy | ok, I just got an old laptop from my dad, and installed debian stable on it. I am currently using an ubuntu desktop. I want to setup the ubuntu desktop as a cvs server or something. so that each day, I can come home from school and 'comit' my home directory to the desktop(not that I plan to continue using the desktop, I just want a versioned backup) is there a standard method of setting something like this up? |
| 01:47.00 | nemrak | Vasistha, well i installed it and then opened up iceweasel, but i will restart it and try again just to make sure |
| 01:47.21 | Vasistha | nemrak: if sablevm isn't a good enough java implementation, then there are other options... what version of debian are you using? |
| 01:47.41 | asg | timothy: http://kitenet.net/~joey/cvshome/ (he also has an svn version) |
| 01:47.45 | memzy_ | little bit faster than I wanted now |
| 01:47.45 | nemrak | Vasistha, lenny |
| 01:47.50 | memzy_ | but yeah that made a lot of difference |
| 01:47.56 | NefariousPrior | How would I go about doing "apt-get install xfce4-*" but without installing xfce4-mixer-oss ? |
| 01:48.03 | memzy_ | asg: what changed? |
| 01:48.20 | nemrak | NefariousPrior, i think you can set a package with aptitude so that it is put on hold or something |
| 01:48.40 | nemrak | NefariousPrior, just do sudo aptitude and u should get a terminal ui type thing |
| 01:48.44 | asg | memzy_: it's generally two mouse drivers competing iirc. Try using xset to change the speed / accel |
| 01:48.54 | NefariousPrior | nemrak: k, thanks |
| 01:49.07 | memzy_ | whats the command and a reasonable setting? |
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| 01:49.21 | timothy | asg thanks! looks just like what I want. |
| 01:49.29 | memzy_ | ty btw |
| 01:49.31 | Vasistha | nemrak: yeah, if sablevm isn't good enough, you might want to install one of the sun- packages from [non-free] |
| 01:49.32 | asg | memzy_: xset m 2 2 (try that) |
| 01:49.36 | asg | timothy: you're welcome |
| 01:49.59 | nemrak | Vasistha, yeah it doesnt seem to be working.. how do i get non free? |
| 01:50.15 | Vasistha | !tell nemrak about sources.list |
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| 01:51.14 | nemrak | Vasistha, should i make all of the entries in sources.list non-free? |
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| 01:51.19 | nemrak | or just turn one of them to nonfree |
| 01:51.27 | nemrak | or just add a new non free line for each |
| 01:51.38 | bitter | install question, i'm using the installer that looks for an ISO on the hard disk, and the disk is already partitioned correctly. how can i skip the partitioner? |
| 01:51.39 | Vasistha | nemrak: you don't need new lines. just add contrib non-free after main |
| 01:51.55 | bitter | since i obviously can't format the partition that the iso resides on |
| 01:51.59 | nemrak | ok |
| 01:52.11 | nemrak | Vasistha, should i take off contrib non-free after i'm done getting this package? |
| 01:52.21 | nemrak | or just keep the contrib non-free forever? |
| 01:52.24 | Vasistha | nemrak: probably not -- you'll want to be able to get updates! |
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| 01:52.34 | Vasistha | nemrak: erm, you want the latter, not the former |
| 01:52.40 | flyinprogramer | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:52.44 | Vasistha | flyinprogramer: has she watched "office space" |
| 01:52.47 | nemrak | okay i gotcha |
| 01:52.50 | flyinprogramer | i love living in an IT house hold |
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| 01:53.17 | nemrak | so now i want one of the sun packages hmmm |
| 01:53.26 | Vasistha | bitter: well, I believe debian needs to format *some* partition in order to install itself on that partition |
| 01:53.55 | bitter | Vasistha: i just know there's an install script somewhere that i can comment that line out :) |
| 01:53.57 | Vasistha | nemrak: probably one of the -jre ones |
| 01:54.01 | Guerin | bitter: switch to manual partitioner and tell it you're done. |
| 01:54.01 | nemrak | okay |
| 01:54.08 | nemrak | Vasistha, sun-java6-jre i think |
| 01:54.10 | Guerin | it doesn't need to partition anything |
| 01:54.16 | bitter | hmm |
| 01:54.21 | bitter | Guerin: hang on, i'll try |
| 01:54.31 | bitter | Guerin: i'm going through this because it's an oldworld mac |
| 01:54.47 | bitter | it has gentoo on it but i don't feel like waiting a year for xyz to compile |
| 01:56.34 | bitter | Guerin: still says it wants to partition something, the root. should i restart and try again? |
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| 02:00.27 | bitter | ooh ooh! |
| 02:00.33 | bitter | it looks on the HFSplus partition too |
| 02:00.44 | bitter | so i can put it there and format like crazy |
| 02:01.29 | epp | hey, when i try to install vnc4server i get this error http://pastebin.ca/508562 |
| 02:01.39 | epp | im runing on sarge |
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| 02:02.23 | Vasistha | epp: does your sources.list refer to "sarge" rather than "stable" ? |
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| 02:02.51 | epp | Vasistha: no its on stable |
| 02:02.59 | epp | does it need to be sarge? |
| 02:03.24 | Vasistha | epp: well, etch is now stable, so you may now have an unfortunately mixed system |
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| 02:03.46 | epp | Vasistha: well, other things work good, i guess ill just use sarge repositories from now on |
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| 02:04.00 | Vasistha | epp: when's the last time you did an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade ? |
| 02:04.16 | bitter | hey, if you had two powerbook g3s, what would you do with them? |
| 02:04.40 | Vasistha | put them in the garage |
| 02:04.45 | bitter | :D |
| 02:05.07 | epp | Vasistha: i just installed my system and have only instsalled Mysql |
| 02:05.08 | Vasistha | hehheh that's where the old blue g3 is as well as a friend's broken laptop... |
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| 02:05.20 | bitter | well both of these work fine |
| 02:05.35 | Vasistha | epp: you've just installed a new system? Then there's really no reason not to upgrade to etch. |
| 02:05.41 | Vasistha | !tell epp -about sarge->etch |
| 02:05.42 | bitter | i got wireless working on one of them |
| 02:05.48 | flyinprogramer | could some one help me with this > http://pastebin.ca/508571 |
| 02:06.02 | epp | Vasistha: this version was modified to run on xbox |
| 02:06.05 | Vasistha | bitter: yeah, I would probably use one of those if I had it. You could make the other one into a home router or something :) |
| 02:06.36 | bitter | i think we're going to try and use the other one for music |
| 02:06.49 | bitter | just the player part |
| 02:07.11 | Vasistha | epp: uhm. hmm. uhm. well, what you really should have done is disconnected the internet while doing your installation, and then changed sources.list to read "sarge" instead of "stable" before downloading any packages |
| 02:07.29 | epp | Vasistha: eh, mysql works fine |
| 02:07.37 | epp | Vasistha: and thats all ive installed |
| 02:07.40 | Vasistha | epp: dpkg -l libc6 # and let us know what version you've got |
| 02:08.18 | epp | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 02:10.08 | twobitsprite | does anyone have a recommendation for a socket 939 motherboard that works well with debian/linux? |
| 02:10.21 | twobitsprite | preferably one that doesn't require me to use ndiswrapper or anything |
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| 02:10.55 | Vasistha | epp: yeah, it looks like your libc6 has been upgraded to the etch version, so your system is in a limbo state right now ... not very good. |
| 02:11.10 | kk | morning :) |
| 02:11.15 | epp | Vasistha: damn, what problems will that cause? |
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| 02:12.12 | Vasistha | epp: well, it will probably make it difficult/impossible to install/upgrade other packages |
| 02:12.26 | epp | Vasistha: bummer, oh well |
| 02:12.38 | epp | Vasistha: ill just go with it, and if doesnt work ill reinstall |
| 02:12.49 | Vasistha | epp: you could either reinstall from scratch; or upgrade to etch; or attempt a downgrade -- but downgrades are not supported, and are risky |
| 02:13.14 | Vasistha | epp: what makes you think that etch won't work? Do you know what was customized about the installer? |
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| 02:16.56 | epp | Vasistha: it has a customized xorg setup, new kernel, and a few other things |
| 02:17.11 | epp | Vasistha: ask mentor he knows way more than me |
| 02:17.49 | Impiety | this may seem like an odd question, but, I recently installed debian on my old computer, and when I X with gdm it only shows part of the screen the other part is grey. But that's only when the default depth is 24, it's full when it's 8 |
| 02:17.58 | Impiety | start X |
| 02:18.29 | Impiety | It has onboard sis video |
| 02:18.30 | Vasistha | Impiety: how old are we talkin' about? want to give us some specs? |
| 02:18.38 | Impiety | it's an amd k6 366 |
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| 02:18.49 | Impiety | when I had slackware installed on it, x worked fine |
| 02:18.56 | Impiety | and now i installed debian, it doesn't work |
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| 02:19.09 | Impiety | it was an older version of X though |
| 02:20.03 | flyinprogramer | hey, how do i fix this http://pastebin.ca/508591 |
| 02:20.05 | Vasistha | epp: well ... etch has a newer kernel and xorg by default, whereas those things were "special" for sarge, which uses kernel 2.6.8 and xfree86. Is there a web page for this project? Does it say anything about upgrading to etch? |
| 02:20.33 | epp | Vasistha: xbox-linux.org |
| 02:20.37 | Vasistha | Impiety: maybe try depth 16 ? That ought to be enough. |
| 02:20.43 | Impiety | doesn't work |
| 02:20.45 | epp | Vasistha: the maker of the poject has disappeared |
| 02:20.54 | Impiety | Vasistha: shows more of the screen, but not all of it |
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| 02:21.05 | Impiety | it only shows all of it at 8 |
| 02:21.08 | Impiety | and that's ugly |
| 02:21.19 | Vasistha | yeah, 8 bits sucks, that's for sure |
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| 02:22.47 | rking | flyinprogramer: Well, one cheap way would be to edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/vhcs.postinst line 1887 to not do that check. =\ |
| 02:23.19 | rking | or at least look at what it's trying to do and figure out what key it's talking about and why it's not >55 bytes. |
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| 02:24.36 | rking | flyinprogramer: have you googled for the text of that error message? looks like others have had the same problem. i don't see a resolution, so you're probably left with hand-hacking it |
| 02:24.41 | rking | pastebin.ca the /var/lib/dpkg/info/vhcs.postinst file? |
| 02:24.43 | Vasistha | !based on debian |
| 02:24.43 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 02:24.49 | Vasistha | epp: ^^^ :P |
| 02:25.00 | Impiety | hrm... |
| 02:25.06 | Impiety | Vasistha: I just used the vesa driver, and it works |
| 02:25.17 | Vasistha | Impiety: heh, nice. |
| 02:25.18 | Impiety | instead of the sis one |
| 02:25.34 | epp | Vasistha: well, mentor said i could get help |
| 02:25.55 | flyinprogramer | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:26.09 | mentor | I said we could help you with general non-Xebian specific things |
| 02:26.17 | rking | flyinprogramer: upload that file, please, i bet we can come up with something. |
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| 02:27.00 | Vasistha | epp: well, why don't you try upgrading to etch. follow the sarge->etch instructions (aka the etch release notes) and if it breaks, then reinstall from scratch, with no internet connection, and only update/upgrade once you've changed your sources.list (as I said before :P ) |
| 02:28.39 | epp | Vasistha: well... does etch upgrade the kernel? |
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| 02:28.56 | Vasistha | epp: actually, it doesn't have to. |
| 02:29.29 | epp | i only am sshing into it, so i dont need a GUI |
| 02:30.17 | epp | !etch |
| 02:30.17 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of debian stable |
| 02:30.18 | Vasistha | hehe, what an ironic ending for a machine designed for gaming |
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| 02:31.52 | Vasistha | epp: to be extra-careful, you could use /etc/apt/preferences to pin the kernel version |
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| 02:32.48 | epp | Vasistha: i dont even know what that means |
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| 02:32.55 | Vasistha | !pinning |
| 02:32.55 | dpkg | If you are running stable, don't pin; use a backport. Ask me about <backports> or <simple sid backport>. If you're using testing, man apt_preferences or see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning. |
| 02:33.30 | aLmost|silent | I installed a utility to find and/or remove unused packages in the system. I purged the files then, but since have forgotten the utility, can some one here bring back my memory? |
| 02:33.34 | nemrak | hey |
| 02:33.43 | nemrak | how do i print the value of a time_t variable using printf? |
| 02:33.48 | amphi | aLmost|silent: deborphan? |
| 02:33.55 | aLmost|silent | ahhh thank you |
| 02:33.58 | nemrak | maybe i will just ask in c.. nvm |
| 02:34.08 | Vasistha | aLmost|silent: there's debfoster and deborphan, but aptitude is generally considered sufficient to manage everything |
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| 02:34.27 | aLmost|silent | Vasistha, I have serious hard disk space concerns D: |
| 02:34.34 | sivik | how do i install PAM support so i can do a desk lock |
| 02:34.53 | Vasistha | !pam |
| 02:34.53 | dpkg | i heard pam is the Pluggable Authentication Modules. Check http://www.us.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/ for more information. Linux-PAM SysAdmin's Guide is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/Linux-PAM-html/pam.html. PAM Always Malfunctions |
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| 02:35.27 | \amethyst | nemrak: man ctime for the simplest way |
| 02:35.55 | \amethyst | nemrak: assuming you want the default format for your locale, and local time |
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| 02:36.25 | flyinprogramer | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:36.35 | amphi | flyinprogramer: for what? |
| 02:36.44 | flyinprogramer | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:37.00 | flyinprogramer | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:37.19 | Vasistha | aLmost|silent: hmm, aptitude, installed, is about 8 MB |
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| 02:37.51 | Vasistha | flyinprogramer: check out apt-get.org |
| 02:37.59 | amphi | is there any idea as to when a newer libc will reach testing? |
| 02:38.09 | Vasistha | !why is libc not in testing |
| 02:38.09 | dpkg | libc is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=libc |
| 02:38.24 | Vasistha | I heard someone talking about this the other day |
| 02:38.40 | amphi | Vasistha: thanks (although I hope it is in testing ;) |
| 02:39.01 | Vasistha | amphi: hehehe |
| 02:39.45 | amphi | Vasistha: glibc BTW |
| 02:40.02 | nemrak | \amethyst, i actually just want time in seconds |
| 02:40.18 | Vasistha | amphi: that's what's holding it up? heh, doesn't concern me as an etch user ;) |
| 02:40.46 | amphi | Vasistha: I'm still on etch too |
| 02:41.00 | amphi | uh, "#382175: glibc: contains possibly non-free code" |
| 02:41.31 | amphi | never mind, it's four years old ;) |
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| 02:46.10 | jetscreamer | so how many ppl has 2.6.21 fucked up for |
| 02:46.12 | jetscreamer | besides me i mean |
| 02:46.20 | jetscreamer | rather... |
| 02:46.32 | jetscreamer | how many ppl with an sis900 tried .21 |
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| 02:46.46 | jetscreamer | and what's with that /dev not found stuff |
| 02:46.54 | bitter | jebus |
| 02:46.59 | bitter | i just found a bunch of blank cds |
| 02:47.02 | jetscreamer | it finds c1 but not c2? |
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| 02:47.07 | jetscreamer | hdc1/c2 |
| 02:47.18 | jetscreamer | nobody? heh. |
| 02:47.33 | bitter | problem solved, maybe |
| 02:50.35 | amphi | jetscreamer: 2.6.18 here ;) |
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| 02:51.12 | k-man | anyone know a good site that has user reviews of bluetooth headsets for mobile phones? |
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| 02:51.49 | bitter | oddball question |
| 02:51.54 | bitter | why would i use debian over ubuntu? |
| 02:52.14 | bitter | i think i can get a leaner system with debian |
| 02:52.35 | purplepenguins | Debian isn't Gnome-specific, it is more stable (generally), lighter, leaner, and more "traditional" |
| 02:52.48 | bitter | okay |
| 02:53.02 | bitter | i'm using ubuntu on this laptop right now, because it "just works" |
| 02:53.08 | bitter | and i need it for work (belongs to them) |
| 02:53.25 | bitter | but the one sitting beside me here, the old powerbook |
| 02:54.42 | bitter | it needs to be lean, naturally, and gnome is overkill |
| 02:54.42 | bitter | so yes, i'm making the correct decision |
| 02:54.42 | jetscreamer | ubuntu is more cluser oriented imo.. no offense meant, just a fact |
| 02:54.42 | purplepenguins | Debian works rather well for n00bs |
| 02:54.42 | purplepenguins | I learned how to use Linux with it |
| 02:54.42 | bitter | hmm |
| 02:54.43 | bitter | i got my feet wet on slackware |
| 02:54.43 | purplepenguins | back in those days Ubuntu wasn't really big-time |
| 02:54.45 | pab | I like how it give me a better feel of control rather than ubuntu |
| 02:55.00 | purplepenguins | Yeah, more control due to less GUI autoconfiguration |
| 02:55.00 | jetscreamer | there was no ubuntu.. i checked out debian, rh, and gentoo... here i am. |
| 02:55.25 | purplepenguins | I have spent the majority of my Linux time between Debian and Gentoo, and I'm thinking that I'm going to stay with Debian |
| 02:55.55 | bitter | maybe gentoo people have finally started to get on my nerves |
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| 02:56.13 | bitter | since that's where i've been, since 1.2 |
| 02:56.22 | bitter | or whatever, several years |
| 02:56.23 | epp | for updatedo i change my repos to stabe or etch? |
| 02:56.49 | Vasistha | epp: either will work, but I would recommend etch for you (so you won't automatically get lenny when that goes stable) |
| 02:56.57 | gravity | bitter: Debian generally has a much more clueful community. If that's useful to you, Debian is probably a better distro to run. |
| 02:57.07 | gravity | That's really Debian's big advantage still. |
| 02:57.18 | gravity | (says the one who's never run ubuntu before) |
| 02:57.24 | Vasistha | debian also has many, many more packages |
| 02:57.38 | epp | Vasistha: ill just change it to etch if the updates work |
| 02:57.45 | jetscreamer | i;ve never run ubuntu, but compare #ubuntu to #debian has been my yardstick |
| 02:58.01 | Vasistha | epp: sure |
| 02:58.03 | gravity | Oh, and testing or unstable are much more stable than ubuntu's dev version, so you can have a daily upgrade cycle without all the breakage. |
| 02:58.16 | gravity | But then you don't get the frequent stable releases, so... |
| 02:59.22 | Vasistha | ubuntu doesn't really have a stable business model ... what if something happens to Shuttleworth? Hard to say what will happen to ubuntu. Mark is pouring money into ubuntu, but ubuntu isn't bringing in any revenues |
| 02:59.39 | gravity | They do have a large pot of money in their foundation though |
| 02:59.46 | regeya | jetscreamer: both debian and ubuntu are excellent, and both benefit from each others' existence. ubuntu does tend to lean toward the more recent linux convert, though, so you're bound to see more 'how do I run mIRC' type questions there than here...yeah Vasistha I wonder about that. |
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| 02:59.52 | bitter | gravity: i think i'm pretty clueful |
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| 03:00.03 | bitter | gravity: so maybe i'm maturing to something else |
| 03:00.16 | gravity | ok |
| 03:00.21 | broken | I have a question.. which is more computer related.. then anything.. if I have 1 gig of ram ddr pc3200 and 768 mb of pc2700 ram (ddr sdram too) will my computer be faster with 1) all the ram even though the speeds don't match and will cripple the other 2) with only the 1 gig of pc 3200? |
| 03:00.39 | gravity | I'm not saying ubuntu is all clueless people, btw. It's clearly not. But by and large, I find a higher concentration of clue among the Debian community. |
| 03:00.50 | Vasistha | broken: depends what you're doing with your computer. |
| 03:00.58 | gravity | I do know a number of smart people running or developing ubuntu though |
| 03:01.29 | jetscreamer | broken: imo you may not be able to tell the diff between the speeds, but if you use the ram, you can tell the diff in size |
| 03:01.29 | broken | yes the size.. |
| 03:01.30 | broken | and it works better wtih vmware |
| 03:01.30 | jetscreamer | as in how much |
| 03:01.35 | broken | Well it would be 1.7 in total.. or just 1gig without the added older ram. |
| 03:01.46 | jetscreamer | try both |
| 03:01.48 | jetscreamer | compare |
| 03:01.51 | jetscreamer | daily use |
| 03:01.52 | Vasistha | broken: if you're compiling stuff and not running X, then you'll want less, faster ram. If you are running three web browsers and video editing and the gimp and a bunch more memory-hogging stuff, then you might be better off with more ram so you can keep more stuff cached |
| 03:02.20 | broken | Yea I'm the second guy lol. |
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| 03:02.45 | broken | But is there a significant diffrence in speed, or you can't notice it .. |
| 03:02.51 | broken | I did try both. |
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| 03:03.11 | broken | I thought witht he more ram it was slower..but now I see with the old ram out.. it still loads the menu bar the same.. |
| 03:03.12 | zinx | if you're hitting swap, getting more ram will provide a very significant difference in speed |
| 03:03.14 | epp | Vasistha: im all updated, rebooting now |
| 03:03.15 | Vasistha | well, maybe you should try each configuration for a week |
| 03:03.24 | broken | Ok. I'll try more ram. |
| 03:03.25 | Vasistha | epp: nice |
| 03:03.31 | zinx | more ram does not generally mean slower |
| 03:03.44 | zinx | on older x86 without PAE, it can be slightly slower |
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| 03:03.49 | zinx | if you have >4GB or something |
| 03:03.53 | Vasistha | zinx: well, in his case the "more ram" is slower ram, which will slow down all the ram. |
| 03:03.59 | Saint-Takeshi | can somebody remind me how to get fglrx to work under debian? (using the packages in the non-frree apy repo) please? i've not got a clue, as it's been so long |
| 03:04.03 | bitter | i needed ubuntu in a pinch |
| 03:04.06 | Vasistha | !fglrx |
| 03:04.06 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-debian installation method, or currently not working with xorg > 7.1 . Downgrade xserver-xorg-core to 7.1 for the time being if you are on testing/unstable |
| 03:04.09 | timthelion | how would you guys sugest moving a 17gig home partition between a laptop and desktop? |
| 03:04.09 | bitter | i had a work issued xp laptop |
| 03:04.11 | Saint-Takeshi | /s/apy/apt |
| 03:04.12 | \amethyst | !fglrx one-liner |
| 03:04.12 | dpkg | methinks fglrx one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources> |
| 03:04.13 | bitter | it went all haywire |
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| 03:04.21 | bitter | so i was gonna reinstall xp |
| 03:04.28 | timthelion | I have an external hd, but it's formated ntfs and I can't reformat it |
| 03:04.29 | Vasistha | timthelion: rsync |
| 03:04.31 | jetscreamer | timthelion: cp -a ? |
| 03:04.34 | bitter | we have an 3 person it dept, so i'll take care of it |
| 03:04.41 | bitter | rather than turn it in and have them do it |
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| 03:04.43 | timthelion | jetscreamer: how would I connect the two? |
| 03:04.44 | Saint-Takeshi | thanks |
| 03:04.50 | cilkay | Hello. Ever since I made en_CA.UTF-8 my default locale, I notice that some characters in man pages are substituted by others. I ran dpkg-reconfigure locales and selected en_CA.UTF-8 as the default locale. Any idea how I can fix this? |
| 03:04.52 | bitter | so i did, and call to activate |
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| 03:05.02 | \amethyst | cilkay: which characters? |
| 03:05.06 | bitter | and ms says it's a bad key |
| 03:05.12 | bitter | won't activiate it |
| 03:05.12 | jetscreamer | timthelion: network? or a patch cable direct? |
| 03:05.14 | cilkay | \amethyst: apostrophes, for example |
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| 03:05.22 | Vasistha | timthelion: man rsync |
| 03:05.29 | Saint-Takeshi | also, how do you put a splash screen over the bootup scripts? |
| 03:05.30 | bitter | i had stuff to do, tried ubuntu, and most everything worked |
| 03:05.33 | epp | Vasistha: how do i check if it upgraded? |
| 03:05.34 | bitter | problem solved |
| 03:05.37 | timthelion | jetscreamer: I have a network, but it would take several days over 100mbits no? |
| 03:05.40 | jetscreamer | timthelion: my favorite is to put the lappy's hd in the tower... i have an adapter |
| 03:05.51 | bitter | it's a nice desktop, because for once, i don't have to configure a million things, they're there |
| 03:06.04 | timthelion | I have dvd-rw drive but I don't know how I would split the home into parts |
| 03:06.05 | jetscreamer | timthelion: a few hours or so.. not sure exactly but not much more imo... 8? |
| 03:06.08 | Vasistha | epp: cat /etc/debian_version should be an indication. And aptitude update; aptitude upgrade; should come up with nothing to upgrade |
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| 03:06.37 | epp | Vasistha: it says 4.0 |
| 03:06.47 | jetscreamer | timthelion: dvd would take forever imo |
| 03:06.52 | \amethyst | cilkay: So you want apostrophes to be the ASCII ' character? |
| 03:06.53 | simonrvn | goddamned kernel bugs |
| 03:06.55 | timthelion | really? |
| 03:06.57 | timthelion | why? |
| 03:07.15 | jetscreamer | simonrvn: 2.6.21? |
| 03:07.23 | simonrvn | yes |
| 03:07.43 | cilkay | \amethyst: man quotacheck as an example... the -F flag, donât perform format auto-detection. I see the apostrophe as an "a" with a circumflex on it, which is clearly not correct. I've seen it on other man pages too. |
| 03:07.54 | jetscreamer | simonrvn: the stock and my customs find /dev/hdc1, but not hdc2.. also, it seems to panic at my sis900 |
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| 03:08.14 | jetscreamer | both do |
| 03:08.15 | \amethyst | cilkay: sounds like your terminal isn't in utf-8 mode |
| 03:08.18 | simonrvn | it's got some serious issues with jfs... twice now *BOOM* |
| 03:08.32 | \amethyst | cilkay: is this at the console, or in a terminal emulator? If the latter, which? |
| 03:08.43 | cilkay | \amethyst: in a remote shell that I get via ssh. |
| 03:08.48 | simonrvn | twice in about a week... i thought it was my scsi card (well that's bugged, but for a diff. reason) |
| 03:08.49 | \amethyst | cilkay: from where? |
| 03:08.53 | jetscreamer | simonrvn: all my partitions are jfs cept the vfat.. but the panic always says sis900 in the traceback line |
| 03:08.55 | \amethyst | cilkay: putty? |
| 03:09.01 | cilkay | \amethyst: no, Konsole |
| 03:09.11 | simonrvn | both times it was a chmod o_O |
| 03:09.15 | cilkay | \amethyst: oh, it could be the local encoding |
| 03:09.21 | cilkay | Is that what you're saying? |
| 03:09.27 | cilkay | Let me check that. |
| 03:09.27 | simonrvn | jfs/jfs_metapages or something |
| 03:09.30 | jetscreamer | simonrvn: for me it's about when i try to log in it panics |
| 03:09.40 | simonrvn | effing crazy |
| 03:09.41 | \amethyst | cilkay: that's my guess |
| 03:09.42 | Vasistha | timthelion: by my calculation, 17 GB would take less than half an hour if you get 100 Mbps ... of course there's some overhead |
| 03:10.10 | jetscreamer | i did about 20gigs over a wireless took like overnight iirc |
| 03:10.26 | regeya | heh...there's something funny about having things set up so that abcde starts in an xterm when I insert an audio cd |
| 03:10.35 | regeya | </geekout> |
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| 03:11.11 | Vasistha | timthelion: 17 GB * 8000Mb/1GB * sec/100M * min/60sec * hr/60min = 0.38 hr |
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| 03:11.55 | Saint-Takeshi | anybody know why my 2nd monitor's mouse pointer is corrupted? i get a big ugly square instead of a cute lil arrow.... |
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| 03:12.27 | jetscreamer | Saint-Takeshi: that's by design afaict.. (same here.. it's an X btw) |
| 03:12.33 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 03:12.38 | jetscreamer | mine is an x |
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| 03:12.43 | \amethyst | cilkay: I've never had much luck getting konsole to do utf8 |
| 03:13.08 | concept10 | has anyone ever had any trouble with some driver being removed from the kernel tree for a piece of hardware you were trying to install on? Im wondering if drivers ever get removed for non technical reasons. |
| 03:13.09 | Saint-Takeshi | no, i've got a seriously nasty big square of corruptedness |
| 03:13.12 | cilkay | \amethyst: It has never been a problem from any other distro I've used, FC6, Mandriva. |
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| 03:13.31 | cilkay | I'm running Etch locally and on the remote server. |
| 03:13.36 | jetscreamer | yes i have concept10 ... i forget exactly which though, was long ago |
| 03:13.38 | \amethyst | cilkay: does it work with uxterm? |
| 03:14.04 | cilkay | uxterm isn't even installed. Let me check. |
| 03:14.04 | \amethyst | Saint-Takeshi: try turning off hardware cursor |
| 03:14.21 | \amethyst | cilkay: It's part of the xterm package I thought |
| 03:14.29 | jetscreamer | oh hey my hw cursor isn't on come to think of it |
| 03:14.31 | \amethyst | Saint-Takeshi: what driver? |
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| 03:14.59 | concept10 | jetscreamer, because I know on Windows systems, after manufact. stops supporting driver you are SOL. You have to hunt down even stable drivers after some company obseletes the hardware |
| 03:15.29 | Vasistha | concept10: sure. drivers get removed for political reasons. e.g. http://www.smcc.demon.nl/webcam/ |
| 03:15.38 | jetscreamer | oh come to htink of it, it was jsut a winmodem |
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| 03:16.34 | Saint-Takeshi | \amethyst a half-arsed incomplete install of fgrlx, i think, but still using mesa indirect rendering because it's not done right....hopefully the one-liner will fix it |
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| 03:17.00 | concept10 | Vasistha, well, i know that, i was basically talking about just for being _old_ and obscure |
| 03:17.16 | broken | Alright now im 1.7 gigs of ram. |
| 03:17.24 | broken | Nothing appears to be diffrent, I can't tell any speed diff. |
| 03:17.26 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 03:17.29 | broken | I mean its pc 2700 and pc 3200 |
| 03:17.36 | broken | not that big a diff in between those..lol |
| 03:17.50 | \amethyst | Saint-Takeshi: Option "SWCurson" "On" in your Device section will likely fix the cursor problem |
| 03:17.57 | \amethyst | Saint-Takeshi: Option "SWCursor" "On" |
| 03:18.06 | Vasistha | concept10: ohh ... well, one of the goals of the 2.6 kernel is to be cutting-edge, even if that means leaving some old hardware by the wayside. |
| 03:18.08 | Saint-Takeshi | kthx |
| 03:18.35 | Vasistha | concept10: otoh, a modern linux kernel supports more hardware out-of-box than any other kernel on earth |
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| 03:19.36 | Saint-Takeshi | well, ran the oneliner, here goes... |
| 03:21.25 | cilkay | When I attempt set the en_CA.UTF-8 in dpkg-reconfigure locales, I get a bunch of warnings and the locale is not set. I've pasted here: http://rafb.net/p/AmsZN619.html Any ideas? |
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| 03:23.16 | bbelt16ag | well peeps you would be proud.. i switched to gnome from kde.. alas i figured out why beryl dosnt like me .. its the kde sigh... and i thought kde was cool... |
| 03:23.43 | epp | Vasistha: well, what now that i have upgraded? |
| 03:23.48 | bbelt16ag | you were right and i was wrong.. |
| 03:23.56 | jetscreamer | cilkay: i know nothing, but does apt-get install --reinstall locales help? |
| 03:24.05 | Vasistha | epp: try to install that vnc thing again? Although I don't know why you want it, since you're not running X anyway ;) |
| 03:24.21 | jetscreamer | vnc != vlc |
| 03:24.25 | epp | Vasistha: true, i dont need it anymore |
| 03:24.33 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 03:24.50 | cilkay | jetscreamer: haven't tried that. I'm not sure where the blather about en_US:en_GB:en in the error is about since I did not select any of those locales. |
| 03:25.08 | jetscreamer | ahhhh. i remember that one |
| 03:25.17 | jetscreamer | well having it |
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| 03:25.58 | jetscreamer | iirc i might have done dpkg-reconfigure locales && dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 03:26.00 | \amethyst | cilkay: what does /etc/default/locale say? |
| 03:26.04 | jetscreamer | to fix it but not sure |
| 03:26.27 | cilkay | \amethyst: LANG=en_CA.UTF-8 |
| 03:26.30 | jetscreamer | hey it was GB that's why i remember it well |
| 03:26.52 | \amethyst | cilkay: does /etc/environment have anything about LANGUAGE ? |
| 03:27.18 | cilkay | Aha! LANGUAGE="en_CA:en_US:en_GB:en" |
| 03:27.29 | cilkay | And LANG=en_CA |
| 03:27.30 | \amethyst | cilkay: try removing the quotes |
| 03:27.42 | cilkay | I should probably remove the first line. |
| 03:27.51 | Saint-Takeshi | drivers working now XD but for some reason dual-head only works in "clone mode" which sucks as my 2nd monitor runs at 1024x768 and my main one uses 1280x1024, anyone know how to fix this (tried using the ati control panel, did nothing, even after several restarts of X) |
| 03:28.01 | \amethyst | cilkay: yeah |
| 03:28.04 | cilkay | or comment it out |
| 03:28.08 | \amethyst | cilkay: that would probably work too |
| 03:28.18 | \amethyst | cilkay: BTW, what version of the locales package do you have? |
| 03:28.58 | cilkay | \amethyst: commenting out made no difference. Same errors. locales is v. 2.3.6.ds1-13 |
| 03:29.24 | \amethyst | cilkay: try removing the line entirely |
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| 03:30.18 | cilkay | Nope, same nonsense. |
| 03:30.26 | Saint-Takeshi | when did etch go stable? i've been out of touch with the whole "free software" thing whiilst i was away gaming on McRosoft's new ultra-pretty virus magnet |
| 03:30.39 | Vasistha | Saint-Takeshi: easter (8 april) |
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| 03:31.44 | cilkay | Interesting... I got a new shell and ran dpkg-reconfigure locales, no errors or warnings this time. |
| 03:31.57 | \amethyst | cilkay: Because LANGUAGE was still set in your environment :) |
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| 03:32.35 | \amethyst | cilkay: Did you upgrade from sarge perchance? |
| 03:32.45 | cilkay | Quite likely. I don't recall. |
| 03:33.16 | cilkay | I've installed Etch so many times in the last few months I don't remember. |
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| 03:33.41 | cilkay | I mostly install on Xen using debootstrap but this is my local machine. |
| 03:33.47 | cilkay | ... which I recall installing from CD. |
| 03:33.59 | Saint-Takeshi | is there a bug in the current testing release? i'm running stable just now (clean reformat) because the debian-testing-xfce disk wouldn't recognize my hard drive...thought for a horrible second the drive was knackered (well, is actually *IS* ...has problems with DMA that make my bootup time twice as long as it should be, i'll replace it when i can afford to, but for now, it works as well as i need it to) |
| 03:34.29 | cilkay | Actually, I have a nice little shell script that I use to create a Xen domU running Etch. It takes about 10 minutes from start to finish. |
| 03:34.43 | \amethyst | cilkay: aha, /usr/share/doc/locales/NEWS.Debian.gz mentions it |
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| 03:35.36 | Vasistha | wow. that's great. I remember when "Generating locales (this might take a while)..." used to generate *all* the locales... and is *did* take a while!! |
| 03:35.38 | Saint-Takeshi | ended up booting a liveCD and downloading/burning the bizcard disc and installing from that *sigh* |
| 03:35.42 | \amethyst | cilkay: /etc/environment was the old file, and is no longer used... but the sarge-era settings that were there were messing things up |
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| 03:36.53 | \amethyst | cilkay: Theoretically it's a bug that this breaks some sarge-to-etch upgrades, but it might be considered less of a bug than fixing it would be |
| 03:36.54 | cilkay | Once I remove the only line there, it leaves an empty file. |
| 03:37.32 | \amethyst | cilkay: that's fine |
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| 03:38.34 | \amethyst | cilkay: pam should be reading /etc/default/locale too |
| 03:38.40 | cilkay | Now when I run dpkg-reconfigure locales, I notice funkiness on the whiptail interface. I see "a" with circumflex all around the border of the white area. |
| 03:39.07 | cilkay | I'll try dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 03:39.18 | Saint-Takeshi | anyone know how to get bittornado to actually save the prefs i change when i hit "save" and close/open it? |
| 03:39.19 | \amethyst | cilkay: are you at the console? |
| 03:39.30 | nvz | pam works overtime she decided to get /etc/default/locale on cassette instead of reading it :P |
| 03:39.34 | cilkay | Running Konsole locally. |
| 03:39.43 | \amethyst | cilkay: then console-data won't change anything |
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| 03:40.03 | \amethyst | cilkay: console-data is for the console (ctrl-alt-f1 through f6) |
| 03:40.16 | cilkay | That makes sense. |
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| 03:41.07 | jetscreamer | hey i'm tired of seeing this shit |
| 03:41.16 | jetscreamer | There is already a pid file /var/run/dhclient.eth0.pid with pid 2177killed old client process, removed PID file |
| 03:41.30 | jetscreamer | what to do, what to do |
| 03:41.36 | \amethyst | jetscreamer: seeing it where? |
| 03:42.02 | jetscreamer | on shutdown mostly, but just now i saw it when i did ifdown&&ifup |
| 03:42.10 | jetscreamer | damn that was transparent to irc eh |
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| 03:42.14 | jetscreamer | coo |
| 03:42.31 | jetscreamer | lol i didn't even think about it just started typing |
| 03:42.47 | debianer | my cpu on laptop is core2duo. how to do frequency scaling on it? |
| 03:42.51 | debianer | is it possible? |
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| 03:43.45 | jetscreamer | debianer: there are kernel modules for that, you might see first if they're loaded... or maybe first, exactly which ones are they... but that's all i know |
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| 03:44.11 | brendonjt | hey guys i need some help with xsane and non-root users |
| 03:44.36 | debianer | jetscreamer: that relates to another question. The kernel that is installed is amd-64. |
| 03:44.45 | debianer | I feel it is weird because my CPU is not AMD. |
| 03:44.49 | brendonjt | i can access my scanner under root, but xsane won't load under non-root user |
| 03:44.57 | debianer | do all 64bit cpu use amd-64 kernel? |
| 03:44.59 | brendonjt | oh and i am a member of the scanner group |
| 03:45.47 | jetscreamer | debianer: no you want the -686 |
| 03:45.47 | jetscreamer | err |
| 03:45.47 | jetscreamer | wait |
| 03:45.49 | jetscreamer | ignore that |
| 03:46.08 | jetscreamer | i don't know exactly which kernel ou want |
| 03:46.17 | debianer | jetscreamer: I guess because core2duo is 64bit so the system just picks amd-64 |
| 03:46.19 | jetscreamer | (should have) |
| 03:46.26 | brendonjt | anyone please |
| 03:46.40 | Wyzard | debianer: yes, the -amd64 kernel is for Intel 64 CPUs too |
| 03:46.52 | jetscreamer | brendonjt: did you log out of the user and log back in after being added to scanner froup? |
| 03:46.56 | Vasistha | brendonjt: yeah, you're probably having an issue with groups needing a refresh |
| 03:47.26 | debianer | Wyzard: why it is named as amd? Just to piss intel off? |
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| 03:47.46 | debianer | Wyzard: do you know how to enable cpu frequency scaling? |
| 03:47.49 | jetscreamer | no there's some other reason but i forget it |
| 03:48.24 | Vasistha | debianer: Kevin` told rdz how freq. scaling is done yesterday, but the pastebin is expired :P |
| 03:48.28 | brendonjt | jetscreamer, yip still doesn't work after a complete restart |
| 03:48.39 | Wyzard | debhelper: because AMD created the 64-bit extension and it became known as AMD64, and then Intel "copied" it by designing their own new chips which ae compatible |
| 03:48.43 | Wyzard | *are compatible |
| 03:48.45 | brendonjt | how do i do a groups refresh |
| 03:49.03 | Vasistha | brendonjt: just to make sure everything's right, open a terminal as the normal user and type 'groups' |
| 03:49.07 | debianer | Vasistha: ? sorry I don't understand |
| 03:49.07 | Wyzard | debianer: oops, ^^ |
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| 03:49.36 | Vasistha | brendonjt: as for the "refresh" I was just referring to restarting X, which you have done. |
| 03:49.39 | Wyzard | debianer: Intel calls it "Intel 64", and the generic term is "x86_64", but "AMD64" is what it's commonly called |
| 03:49.56 | debianer | Wyzard: OK. I saw both messages |
| 03:50.04 | jetscreamer | him say some guy said how yesterday but log gone |
| 03:50.15 | Vasistha | haha |
| 03:50.15 | brendonjt | Vasistha, i did groups and i am a memeber of the scanner group |
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| 03:51.36 | jetscreamer | i have 2 scanners! in the garage for a few years |
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| 03:51.56 | jetscreamer | aka junkpile |
| 03:52.22 | jetscreamer | it's not hp is it? |
| 03:52.29 | brendonjt | jetscreamer, ah ok well mine is multifunction, the printer works well under user and root, but the scanner only works under root |
| 03:52.34 | brendonjt | nope |
| 03:52.39 | brendonjt | brb |
| 03:52.41 | jetscreamer | ahh |
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| 03:53.28 | jetscreamer | hellofanip |
| 03:53.56 | jetscreamer | er fqdn |
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| 03:55.43 | bitter | any ppc people? |
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| 03:56.09 | Vasistha | !ask |
| 03:56.09 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 03:56.52 | bitter | will quik boot my powerbook? |
| 03:56.56 | bitter | it's oldworld |
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| 04:00.00 | Rusty1 | bitter try asking at #debianppc, be prepared to wait |
| 04:00.25 | Vasistha | I wonder if the oftc channels are more active for that stuff |
| 04:01.03 | manchot | is there any wireless connection tools under console? |
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| 04:01.35 | \amethyst | bitter: quik is supposed to be able to work on oldworld macs, but it's supposedly difficult to get working |
| 04:01.56 | Vasistha | manchot: of course! iwconfig comes to mind. |
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| 04:02.34 | Vasistha | manchot: if you've been doing it with a gui, you may be using networkmanager, which may mean that other tools won't work, though |
| 04:02.36 | brendonjt | back |
| 04:02.51 | pixolet | manchot wireless-tools contains iwconfig, iwlist and a couple others |
| 04:02.57 | \amethyst | bitter: there's also bootx, a Classic extension that will boot a Linux kernel/initrd |
| 04:03.19 | Rusty1 | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/PowerPC/OldWorld/PreAlphaManualUpdates << bitter |
| 04:03.28 | brendonjt | jetscreamer, any other ideas that you can think off |
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| 04:04.03 | Vasistha | brendonjt: ask when the chan's more active :P |
| 04:04.04 | bitter | i'm using bootx now |
| 04:04.16 | bitter | i noticed "install quik" in the installer menu |
| 04:04.44 | brendonjt | ok |
| 04:04.56 | jetscreamer | brendonjt: i've never done a scanner |
| 04:04.58 | bitter | and i've never even bothered t try with it |
| 04:05.24 | manchot | Vasistha: pixolet: normally all I need to do is: iwconfig eth2 essid xxx right? |
| 04:05.47 | Vasistha | manchot: depending on the configuration ... yeah, probably |
| 04:05.53 | brendonjt | i wqas reading on the kde website, the kde 4beta is going to be available in the repos inm june so that is going to be good |
| 04:06.01 | cilkay | \amethyst: I have Konsole working with UTF8. It was ridiculously simple. Settings>>Encoding>>UTF8. "Default" wasn't working. |
| 04:06.06 | brendonjt | it is a pitty that they don't do gnome |
| 04:06.25 | Vasistha | cilkay: neato! I may try that. did you need to restart kde to get it working? |
| 04:06.37 | cilkay | Vasistha: no, it Just Worked |
| 04:06.58 | Vasistha | cilkay: so since I just regenerated my locales, I could have it working too, huh? :D |
| 04:07.11 | Vasistha | all I need to do is find a utf-8 document :-/ |
| 04:07.11 | \amethyst | cilkay: aha |
| 04:07.16 | cilkay | Vasistha: you have to get a new shell |
| 04:07.59 | cilkay | Vasistha: if your default locale is some UTF8, you can just look at one of the man pages. I did man useradd and I can see now that the apostrophe looks like an apostrophe. |
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| 04:08.01 | jetscreamer | use your digital camera |
| 04:08.07 | jetscreamer | again? |
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| 04:08.25 | cilkay | Before, the apostrophe was an "a" with a circumflex. |
| 04:09.01 | cilkay | Look in the "EXIT VALUES" section, under 1. You should see "can't update..." |
| 04:09.29 | Vasistha | \amethyst: thanks :) |
| 04:09.32 | timothy | I hate installing os's |
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| 04:09.51 | Rusty1 | bitter if it's old world stick with bootx |
| 04:10.58 | bitter | Rusty1: yeah, it works |
| 04:11.11 | bitter | just that i think i just toasted my hfs part |
| 04:13.25 | Rusty1 | simonrvn: ayt |
| 04:14.05 | timothy | is there an explination of how you guys do the stable testing unstable thing? is testing a branch of stable? isn |
| 04:14.10 | Vasistha | hey! neat! I've got greek on my konsole B) |
| 04:14.14 | timothy | if so isn't that ineficient? |
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| 04:14.19 | Vasistha | thanks \amethyst, cilkay |
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| 04:15.00 | cilkay | Vasistha: kali mera |
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| 04:16.00 | \amethyst | timothy: Active development happens in unstable (and to some extent in experimental, but that's not a release). Packages that have been in unstable for a while with no release-critical bugs (and nothing else blocking them) get migrated to testing automatically. |
| 04:16.04 | Vasistha | cilkay: heh, what language is that? :) |
| 04:17.26 | Saint-Takeshi | is there a debian gaming channel? |
| 04:17.52 | cilkay | Vasistha: supposed to be "hello" in Greek... except I have no idea how to write Greek. That exhausts about a tenth of my knowledge of Greek words :) |
| 04:17.55 | Vasistha | timothy: ...stable releases come when 'testing' contains a whole group of compatible packages are frozen together for a long time, and all the release-critical bugs are fixed |
| 04:17.58 | timothy | \amethyst: so if there is a bug in stable, it is fixed in unstable, and the users of stable have to wait for that package to be deamed stable in unstable to get the fix? |
| 04:18.05 | cilkay | Actually, not true. There are many Greek words in English of course. |
| 04:18.19 | Rusty1 | bitter i think you can download OS 8.7 or something like that from Apple and go from there |
| 04:18.26 | piztek3 | Can I shorten my desktop icon's' text anywhere? |
| 04:18.31 | \amethyst | timothy: unless it's a security bug, they'll have to wait for a point release |
| 04:18.54 | timothy | ok, so it is eficient it's just not superfast like gentoo |
| 04:18.58 | \amethyst | timothy: for the most part, unless it's a security bug or really bad, it won't get fixed in stable |
| 04:19.14 | \amethyst | timothy: (until eventually stable becomes oldstable and there is a new stable) |
| 04:19.17 | Vasistha | timothy: security bugs get fixed in the old, stable versions by the debian maintainers; non-security bugs don't get fixed in stable. |
| 04:19.25 | timothy | so is unstable more stable than stable for many packages |
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| 04:19.43 | \amethyst | timothy: What do you mean by "stable"? It has two different meanings at least |
| 04:19.51 | Vasistha | timothy: what's unstable about sid is that package dependencies break |
| 04:19.54 | \amethyst | timothy: In "more stable" that is |
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| 04:20.20 | \amethyst | timothy: stable is called stable because, once it's released, it doesn't change. That's one meaning of 'stable' |
| 04:20.21 | Vasistha | timothy: you're much likelier to see horrible bugs in unstable. e.g. see /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 04:20.22 | bitter | Rusty1: i've got an os9 cd, it's just all a pain |
| 04:20.51 | timothy | so it goes unstable stable oldstable. if a new point release comes out I do apt-get distupgrade and I have the new stable? |
| 04:20.54 | Rusty1 | bitter yup |
| 04:21.23 | \amethyst | timothy: I would say unstable | testing stable oldstable |
| 04:21.46 | \amethyst | timothy: on releases, the last three get shifted to the right, but unstable is always unstable |
| 04:21.58 | timothy | ok |
| 04:22.25 | timothy | in the installer it askes if I want experimental unstable or stable. I chose stable |
| 04:22.28 | Vasistha | timothy: regarding upgrading, yes. debian's aiming for 18 months, although etch took closer to 22 months |
| 04:22.29 | \amethyst | Packages travel from left to right |
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| 04:22.56 | bitter | Rusty1: and since i have to anyhow, cuz i zapped the hfs part, and i have never tried quik |
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| 04:23.06 | bitter | i thought that i might |
| 04:23.31 | bitter | i've messed with of a little before |
| 04:23.33 | timothy | I'm trying out debian, because I had such trouble with the point releases on ubuntu, and someone said that the official debian repos where better about not breaking. |
| 04:23.38 | bitter | openfirmware |
| 04:24.02 | Rusty1 | bitter not ow, AFAIK |
| 04:24.06 | Vasistha | timothy: yeah -- the stable repos especially. the testing repo may also be better than ubuntu's, although I'm really not sure. |
| 04:24.12 | \amethyst | timothy: The downside of not breaking is not getting updates, of course :) |
| 04:25.09 | timothy | yes, I know, but I'm still years ahead of windows... |
| 04:25.10 | \amethyst | Testing is usually okay as long as you know how to put packages on hold when dependencies are unsatisfiable |
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| 04:25.37 | \amethyst | To use unstable, you probably want to know the package manager far more intimately than that |
| 04:26.17 | \amethyst | That said, I learned debian by switching to unstable as soon as I finished installing |
| 04:26.45 | \amethyst | But I'd been using GNU/Linux for six or seven years |
| 04:27.15 | timothy | what |
| 04:27.26 | timothy | is the chance of a wifi card working without ndis |
| 04:27.54 | Vasistha | timothy: it absolutely depends on the card (and more specifically, the radio in the card) |
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| 04:28.24 | timothy | luckly this is a laptop, so I have ethernet handy for installing ndis |
| 04:28.58 | Saint-Takeshi | timothy: my laptop doesn't have an ethernet port |
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| 04:30.27 | \amethyst | Saint-Takeshi: no cardbus? |
| 04:30.58 | Saint-Takeshi | though it looks like someone's developed on open source driver for my wlan card, i'll need to investigate this because currently i have to manually modprobe ndiswrapper then wpa_supplicant -dwext -c/etc/wpa.conf |
| 04:31.00 | en1gma | sup all |
| 04:31.29 | Saint-Takeshi | yeah, but i don't have a pcmcia ethernet card, the wifi card was cheaper |
| 04:31.51 | Vasistha | Saint-Takeshi: well, keep in mind that some open source drivers don't support wpa where the ndiswrapper'd windoze ones do |
| 04:31.52 | \amethyst | Saint-Takeshi: you should be able to put ndiswrapper in /etc/modules to have it loaded at boot |
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| 04:32.50 | timothy | is there a wizard for ndis like in dsl or bsd? |
| 04:32.56 | Saint-Takeshi | old lappy anyway, ibm thinkpad 390e p2 333mhz (although windows reported it as 332mhz for some reason) |
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| 04:33.47 | Vasistha | dmesg | grep 333.625 |
| 04:33.50 | Vasistha | erm |
| 04:33.53 | en1gma | when i use synaptic to upgrade i got an error on a pkg....where is this logged at |
| 04:34.00 | Vasistha | Detected 332.625 MHz processor. |
| 04:34.03 | Vasistha | there we go |
| 04:34.23 | Vasistha | en1gma: /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 04:34.26 | \amethyst | Saint-Takeshi: And you could do the other thing with a file in /etc/if-pre-up.d/ that says if [ "$IFACE" = wlan0 ]; then wpa_supplicant stuff; fi |
| 04:34.30 | en1gma | thnx |
| 04:34.32 | Vasistha | en1gma: or, synaptic?? I'm not sure |
| 04:34.41 | Saint-Takeshi | seeing as i live in a highrise flat, and thre's two much easier-to-hack wlans nearby, i might go back to wep |
| 04:34.42 | \amethyst | Saint-Takeshi: that would run wpa_supplicant whenever you bring up wlan0 |
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| 04:35.34 | \amethyst | Saint-Takeshi: /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/ rather |
| 04:36.08 | Saint-Takeshi | that would be handy, actually, and i have wifi-radar if i'm using the lappy elsewhere and want to connect to a different ap |
| 04:36.46 | en1gma | what happens when apt-get (or any package manager) tries to download and install something when it encounters an error |
| 04:36.58 | en1gma | does it clean up by removing the broken install |
| 04:37.03 | manchot | I got this error when installing xorg on etch |
| 04:37.04 | manchot | warning: /etc/X11/fonts/X11R7/Type1 does not exist or is not a directory |
| 04:37.15 | manchot | did I miss some fonts? |
| 04:37.24 | \amethyst | en1gma: The behaviour depends on when it detects the error |
| 04:37.35 | Saint-Takeshi | i'll do that when i can be arsed booting up ye olde lappy |
| 04:37.35 | \amethyst | en1gma: During downloading, unpacking, or configuring |
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| 04:37.52 | en1gma | im not sure cause my dpkg.log is so huge |
| 04:38.00 | en1gma | is there a key work i need to look for |
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| 04:38.47 | \amethyst | en1gma: If it's something that happened recently start looking from the end |
| 04:39.00 | valdyn | en1gma: if 'apt-get -f install' shows no issues, there are none. You probably dont need that logfile |
| 04:39.47 | Saint-Takeshi | anyone aware of sega dreamcast emulator for linux? googled around, but couldn't see anything |
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| 04:40.01 | en1gma | 'apt-get -f dist-upgrade' is ok to use to? |
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| 04:40.11 | sivik | do y'all help with mysql/phpbb2 in here |
| 04:40.56 | valdyn | en1gma: fixing errors and additionally dist-upgrading isnt a good idea |
| 04:41.05 | Saint-Takeshi | got a dreamcast off ebay, want to make sure my old backups are still playable so i can burn them when it arrives |
| 04:41.32 | en1gma | ok |
| 04:41.59 | en1gma | i just cleared the dpkg.log gonna retry it |
| 04:42.09 | valdyn | geez |
| 04:42.30 | valdyn | en1gma: new log output is appended at the end and thus easy to find... |
| 04:42.41 | en1gma | crap to late |
| 04:42.43 | \amethyst | en1gma: dpkg.log might not be so useful for your purposes... |
| 04:42.57 | en1gma | i just re-opened synaptic and it says i have 2 broken pkgs |
| 04:43.04 | \amethyst | en1gma: it doesn't list errors, only the state changes that were completed |
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| 04:43.23 | \amethyst | en1gma: which two? |
| 04:43.30 | en1gma | what is the process to fix it? just try to remove it or reinstall it |
| 04:43.37 | \amethyst | apt-get -f install |
| 04:44.20 | en1gma | libc6-dev-i386 && libc6-i386 |
| 04:44.20 | \amethyst | or dpkg --configure -a |
| 04:44.34 | en1gma | i am running amd64 |
| 04:44.56 | valdyn | en1gma: we can hardly know how to fix an error when you dont tell us what the error is |
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| 04:45.21 | en1gma | im not sure cause the error was only listed till i hit close |
| 04:45.23 | \amethyst | en1gma: try running dpkg --configure -a, see if that fixes them or if it gives you an error message |
| 04:45.29 | en1gma | i take it, it was an install error |
| 04:45.31 | \amethyst | make sure synaptic isn't open |
| 04:45.35 | \amethyst | probably |
| 04:45.41 | en1gma | k 1 sec |
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| 04:47.10 | en1gma | http://pastebin.ca/508815 |
| 04:47.47 | \amethyst | what about aptitude -f install |
| 04:48.25 | timothy | I can |
| 04:48.29 | en1gma | i dont think i have aptitude installed |
| 04:48.35 | \amethyst | en1gma: err, apt-get -f install |
| 04:48.47 | en1gma | what is the best pkg manager |
| 04:48.50 | timothy | t wait till the day when debian is so common that linksys realeases drivers for it |
| 04:49.11 | valdyn | en1gma: they all have qualities |
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| 04:49.49 | en1gma | \amethyst "apt-get -f install" those 2 broken pkgs? |
| 04:49.56 | en1gma | .\amethyst "apt-get -f install" those 2 broken pkgs? |
| 04:50.06 | en1gma | damn scroll bar |
| 04:50.12 | valdyn | en1gma: you just run literally 'apt-get -f install' |
| 04:50.22 | en1gma | ohhh |
| 04:50.24 | en1gma | ok 1 sec |
| 04:50.24 | \amethyst | just a moment |
| 04:50.39 | hark | en1gma: have you checked the bts? |
| 04:51.10 | hark | !dbugs 425946 |
| 04:51.13 | dpkg | #425946:I[libc6-i386] libc6-i386: install fails and breaks apt-get update; Fri, 25 May 2007 03:18:01 UTC |
| 04:51.34 | en1gma | http://pastebin.ca/508819 |
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| 04:52.01 | hark | you're running sid after all! |
| 04:52.04 | en1gma | omg it breaks "apt-get update"? |
| 04:52.05 | Tomasu | I have a semi ot question.. Is there a clean way to make a copy (aka: clone) of an LVM volume directly? besides manually creating a new one and manually copying the data from one to the other (in debian btw) |
| 04:52.17 | en1gma | how will i ever update if that is broken |
| 04:52.29 | Tomasu | its an enigma? |
| 04:52.32 | Tomasu | ;) |
| 04:52.34 | \amethyst | en1gma: downgrade both of them back to 2.5-8 |
| 04:52.58 | en1gma | k will try |
| 04:53.01 | \amethyst | en1gma: you should have the packages in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 04:53.13 | en1gma | i dont think i ever downgraded before |
| 04:53.17 | en1gma | can synpatic do this |
| 04:53.36 | Guerin | no |
| 04:53.52 | \amethyst | en1gma: aptitude can, but you can just do dpkg -i <the list of .debs> |
| 04:54.02 | Guerin | and hope it doesn't break |
| 04:54.07 | \amethyst | yes |
| 04:54.09 | Guerin | which it probably will nonetheless |
| 04:54.20 | squitijax | I've got issues with upgrading python-twisted-* |
| 04:54.44 | en1gma | omg |
| 04:54.51 | en1gma | this is a bad bug |
| 04:54.51 | Guerin | broken libc=reinstall |
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| 04:55.00 | Guerin | en1gma: what branch of debian? |
| 04:55.01 | \amethyst | Guerin: it's not the ordinary libc |
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| 04:55.06 | en1gma | debian sid amd64 |
| 04:55.16 | Guerin | oh, i see |
| 04:55.17 | \amethyst | Guerin: it's the 32-bit libc on an amd64 install |
| 04:55.17 | hark | heh |
| 04:55.20 | en1gma | i dont even use those libs i dont think |
| 04:55.25 | en1gma | im amd64 |
| 04:55.51 | gpm | apt-listbugs |
| 04:55.56 | \amethyst | en1gma: so downgrade them and try some 32-bit program to see if it works |
| 04:56.08 | en1gma | beryl is running as we speak |
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| 04:56.20 | en1gma | wait its running but not working |
| 04:56.36 | Guerin | sounds like it's functioning as intended |
| 04:56.57 | \amethyst | en1gma: if it doesn't, you can remove the 32-bit packages and everything that depends on them, and reinstall them |
| 04:57.07 | en1gma | im a thinking |
| 04:57.09 | en1gma | :) |
| 04:57.12 | \amethyst | at the very least |
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| 04:58.05 | \amethyst | en1gma: I'd really suggest learning aptitude or dselect |
| 04:58.06 | en1gma | i cant re-install em till a new libc comes out though right |
| 04:58.45 | en1gma | ok looks like i need to install aptitude but since it want installed it prob wont downgrade will it |
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| 04:59.32 | timothy | what is that package that lets you copy and paste with the mouse without x? it's like gmm or something I just forget... |
| 04:59.45 | Wyzard | gpm |
| 04:59.58 | \amethyst | en1gma: Try downgrading libc6-i386 and libc6-dev-i386 with dpkg -i |
| 05:00.03 | \amethyst | en1gma: on the .deb packages |
| 05:00.22 | \amethyst | en1gma: or uninstalling them even, if you don't use 32-bit software |
| 05:00.23 | itai_ | can anyone help me connect to a wirelss network? I got my card configured but iwconfig does not see the wireless router |
| 05:00.39 | itai_ | on etch.... |
| 05:00.48 | itai_ | TP-LINK router |
| 05:00.52 | en1gma | k |
| 05:01.59 | itai_ | l |
| 05:02.26 | en1gma | looks like i do have aptitude installed |
| 05:02.28 | en1gma | in it now |
| 05:02.38 | en1gma | gonna try and see if there is a way to downgrade |
| 05:02.42 | en1gma | 1 min |
| 05:02.58 | squitijax | python-twisted-* depends on python-twisted-core >=2.5 but 2.4 is going to be installed. Can someone help me fix this? |
| 05:03.04 | mkl1525 | Hi, is it possible to give grub a parameter in menu.lst to boot only once an entry and on next reboot use default entry again? |
| 05:03.24 | itchi | en1gma: Use aptitude and your trouble is fixed, and btw you will make the debian devs happy about it too, cause these recommend aptitude too |
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| 05:03.42 | squitijax | mkl1525: you can make changes at boot time |
| 05:05.02 | mkl1525 | squitijax, thanks but the server is not in front of me and hasn't a remote console, so I've to do it from the running machine |
| 05:05.02 | en1gma | i liked synaptic cause it used little ram but it looks like aptitude uses even less |
| 05:05.05 | en1gma | shit i dont know my way around aptitude at all |
| 05:05.06 | timothy | what's up with the fontpath thing when I do startx after installing xserver-xorg? do I have to install fonts manualy? |
| 05:05.52 | sivik | how do i get around encrypted dvds to view them using vlc or xine |
| 05:05.56 | Guerin | what fontpath thing? |
| 05:06.06 | mkl1525 | en1gma, what advantages does synaptic/aptitude bring that apt-get doesn't? |
| 05:06.19 | Guerin | mkl1525: /msg dpkg aptitude |
| 05:06.31 | \amethyst | en1gma: from the commandline aptitude install libc6-i386=2.5-8 libc6-dev-i386=2.5-8 |
| 05:06.40 | itchi | sivik: See /msg dpkg dvd |
| 05:07.04 | squitijax | make changes to menu.lst, then revert after it boots the next time? |
| 05:07.09 | itchi | en1gma: You gona get some troubles, the first time you use aptitude ... He want to remove all the apps he not know |
| 05:07.10 | Guerin | mkl1525: i would do this via cron or something |
| 05:07.17 | \amethyst | en1gma: it has a command-line interface that is much like apt-get (source support is missing) but has lots of extensions |
| 05:07.28 | itchi | en1gma: s/not know/not have logged/ |
| 05:07.43 | sivik | i just installed install all of that stuff and it still says the encrypted dvd playback is unavailable |
| 05:08.06 | en1gma | i think i just removed 33..but im not sure |
| 05:08.13 | itchi | sivik: Some very few still are, but very few |
| 05:08.17 | en1gma | it said something about read only mode |
| 05:08.28 | sivik | itchi: this doesn't matter which one i am trying to watch |
| 05:08.29 | \amethyst | en1gma: that means some other package manager is running |
| 05:08.34 | sivik | it doesn't seem to be installed correctly yet |
| 05:08.46 | \amethyst | en1gma: and don't just say yes if it wants to remove packages |
| 05:09.45 | Vasistha | en1gma: /usr/share/aptitude/README is a great read ... once you get used to aptitude, you'll never want to use anything else |
| 05:09.59 | en1gma | when i open konsole and su then 'aptitude' when it first comes on i see a red bar at bottom telling me "Suggests 1 upgrade" |
| 05:10.02 | itchi | en1gma: Run you it as root user? |
| 05:10.04 | \amethyst | en1gma: If it does that just say + followed by the package names at the [Y/n/?] prompt |
| 05:10.55 | Vasistha | en1gma: or you can use capital U to mark all upgradable packages |
| 05:11.19 | \amethyst | en1gma: do /~b<enter> to find the first broken package |
| 05:11.28 | en1gma | k 1 min |
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| 05:11.40 | en1gma | i already hit "+" and now it says keep |
| 05:11.44 | itchi | en1gma: aptitude looks hard, but believe it, it's much better as apt-get and not that hard at all, sure you need to take a looks to the docs of it /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README |
| 05:11.47 | en1gma | i havent hit next or apply |
| 05:12.20 | \amethyst | en1gma: the message I sent you about + was for the command-line interface, sorry |
| 05:12.40 | en1gma | i think im in the sli |
| 05:12.47 | en1gma | cli* |
| 05:13.05 | en1gma | i started aptitude in konsole with 'aptitude' |
| 05:13.07 | \amethyst | en1gma: is there a blue bar at the top |
| 05:13.10 | en1gma | yea |
| 05:13.14 | itchi | en1gma: that's the 'tui' |
| 05:13.22 | itchi | en1gma: In 'interactive' mode |
| 05:13.23 | \amethyst | en1gma: that's the text-mode ui, but not command-line |
| 05:13.31 | en1gma | ohhh |
| 05:13.35 | itchi | en1gma: Text User Interface, or somethings like that |
| 05:13.45 | \amethyst | en1gma: do /~b<enter> |
| 05:14.20 | \amethyst | en1gma: that should bring you to one of those two broken packages |
| 05:17.13 | itchi | en1gma: (Do not forget that README file heh, very usefull ;-)) |
| 05:17.14 | en1gma | it dont show anything special in the black area...in top blue area says 2 broken packages and bottom red area says "suggests 1 upgrade" |
| 05:17.14 | itchi | en1gma: You need to 'examine' the problem |
| 05:17.14 | \amethyst | en1gma: after you do /~b ? |
| 05:17.15 | en1gma | i thought that is what we are doing |
| 05:17.15 | en1gma | :) |
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| 05:17.15 | en1gma | '/`b' |
| 05:17.27 | itchi | en1gma: I just try to give some hints, be letting you fish :-p |
| 05:17.27 | en1gma | crap i wasnt shffting the tilde |
| 05:17.30 | itchi | fishing* |
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| 05:17.31 | en1gma | now they show up |
| 05:17.31 | en1gma | i see em |
| 05:17.31 | \amethyst | en1gma: press enter on one of them, it will open the package |
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| 05:17.32 | \amethyst | en1gma: then press end to scroll to the very end |
| 05:17.32 | en1gma | it shows a red broken package and i think a light purple |
| 05:17.41 | \amethyst | en1gma: on the red one |
| 05:17.51 | \amethyst | en1gma: purple is one it wants to uninstall, we can fix that later |
| 05:17.52 | en1gma | k 1 sec |
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| 05:18.05 | timothy | what should I install to find the battery life left? |
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| 05:18.22 | timothy | I want a shell command |
| 05:18.32 | en1gma | at the end "after i press enter on the red one" it shows 2 version numbers |
| 05:18.53 | Vasistha | timothy: try acpi -t ... or perhaps it's acpi -somethingelse |
| 05:19.01 | debianer | to use wireless on intel 3945ABG card, do I need to install "firmware-ipw3945" ? |
| 05:19.05 | michelle123 | need help connecting to wireless . never used wireless before. got a lenovo laptop. a router, but i the laptop cannot see the router. help! |
| 05:19.09 | \amethyst | en1gma: what are the versions, and the letters in front of them? |
| 05:19.29 | debianer | or ipw3945-modules is just enough |
| 05:19.33 | Vasistha | !ipw3945 |
| 05:19.34 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ipw3945 is http://ipw3945.sourceforge.net/, or for etch and above (kernel >= 2.6.18) is needed, add contrib and non-free sources and 'apt-get install module-assistant ipw3945-source firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d; m-a prepare; m-a a-i ipw3945-source' |
| 05:19.57 | timothy | Vasistha: thanks that was easy |
| 05:20.12 | en1gma | 1st one = 'BB 2.5-8' 2nd = 'P 2.5-9' |
| 05:20.58 | itchi | debianer: Yes |
| 05:21.04 | hark | debianer: the firmware and the binary daemon.. instead of m-a you can install the prebuilt modules for you kernel |
| 05:21.24 | itchi | debianer: Use module-assistant to build that module and done :-) |
| 05:21.46 | Vasistha | debianer: yeah, you're gonna have to choose here, given conflicting advice :) |
| 05:21.46 | debianer | I understand that module is the driver, but why need a firmware? |
| 05:21.49 | itchi | shitty lag :-s |
| 05:21.52 | \amethyst | en1gma: uppercase P or lower? |
| 05:22.15 | hark | debianer: ask intel ;) |
| 05:22.27 | en1gma | ummm |
| 05:22.30 | en1gma | lemme recheck |
| 05:22.31 | debianer | thanks |
| 05:22.38 | en1gma | its hard to tell cause its by itself |
| 05:22.47 | itchi | debianer: Look about what a firmware is |
| 05:22.53 | gpm | every so often someone asks about gpm (the program) and i come back to irc and think that someone's been talking to me |
| 05:22.58 | en1gma | looks like lowercase |
| 05:23.10 | itchi | debianer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firmware |
| 05:23.29 | debianer | ok. does anyone know how to do CPU frequency scaling for intel core 2 duo? |
| 05:23.44 | itchi | debianer: Yes |
| 05:23.48 | itchi | debianer: hold on |
| 05:24.17 | itchi | debianer: Maybe can my weird note help you http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/guicms/html/articles/one.php?number=118#cpu_scalling |
| 05:24.29 | \amethyst | en1gma: 'p' means not installed at all, the first B means it's currently in a broken state, and the second B means it would be broken if you applied your selections right now |
| 05:24.41 | Guerin | wtf is `scalleding' |
| 05:24.44 | Guerin | bah |
| 05:24.45 | \amethyst | en1gma: is there anything red under the dependencies? |
| 05:24.50 | Guerin | or `scalling' |
| 05:25.00 | en1gma | 1 sec |
| 05:25.20 | debianer | ok. another question. I use 'shift+insert' to paste |
| 05:25.38 | debianer | but sometimes it pasted the old content. |
| 05:25.55 | itchi | Guerin: Yeah, a typo :-p |
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| 05:26.09 | debianer | is there any keyboard paste combination to substitute "both mouse click" or "the third button"? |
| 05:26.23 | en1gma | under "--\ Depends" nothing red until that BB 2.5-8 at bottom |
| 05:26.26 | timothy | it's soo weird. I got this new laptop, and I just kindof unpluged it, and caried it downstairs, without even pausing aptitude! so odd comeing from a desktop that was a hastle even just to unplug |
| 05:26.27 | \amethyst | debianer: not in most programs |
| 05:26.41 | \amethyst | debianer: emacs and vim can |
| 05:27.03 | \amethyst | debianer: The thing pasted by middle-click, btw, is called "PRIMARY selection" |
| 05:27.12 | \amethyst | debianer: that might help googling |
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| 05:28.01 | \amethyst | debianer: it's good that you have realized that it's not the same as the ctrl-c/ctrl-v clipboard |
| 05:28.26 | itchi | Guerin: I'm proping the data in a wiki, when i have time, i not work directly anymore on the content of that site ^ |
| 05:28.55 | \amethyst | en1gma: which package is this, btw? libc6-i386 or the dev package? |
| 05:28.58 | itchi | Guerin: It's just an endless work he :-p |
| 05:29.05 | debianer | \amethyst: I know. Button works for konsole as well. |
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| 05:29.24 | debianer | \amethyst: are you saying that there is no keyboard substitute for button 3? |
| 05:29.49 | \amethyst | debianer: well, if you have cursor keys enabled you can do something with the numeric keypad |
| 05:29.57 | en1gma | libc6-i386 |
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| 05:30.03 | Vasistha | debianer: you could probably set one up, but I don't believe there's a default |
| 05:30.08 | itchi | debianer: I thought you could bind a key combination to it, i just no more remember how |
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| 05:30.51 | \amethyst | en1gma: what about the other broken package? (q to go back to the package list, /~b again to find the next broken package |
| 05:31.05 | en1gma | k 1 sec |
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| 05:31.44 | en1gma | under "--\ Depends" shows cvs as red |
| 05:32.21 | \amethyst | en1gma: what is this package? |
| 05:32.56 | itchi | If someone could fix the time heh, would be nice :-) :-) |
| 05:33.08 | en1gma | and at very bottom "ida 4:3.5.7-1" as purple....this package is "libcvsservice0" |
| 05:33.09 | itchi | I need to go :-( See you laters my lovely guys :-p |
| 05:33.13 | en1gma | i think |
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| 05:33.38 | \amethyst | was this package in red? |
| 05:33.59 | en1gma | nope it was purple at the beginning |
| 05:34.17 | \amethyst | en1gma: then it's not broken, go back to the list and /~b to find the next broken one |
| 05:34.19 | en1gma | when i hit q it shows this package as purple |
| 05:34.27 | en1gma | oh ok 1 sec |
| 05:34.54 | en1gma | the only red one is that libc6-i386 |
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| 05:35.18 | \amethyst | en1gma: okay, and what versions of libc6-dev-i386 are available? |
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| 05:35.33 | sol | grr hosts.deny takes precedence over hosts.allow? |
| 05:35.35 | \amethyst | en1gma: /libc6-dev-i386 and then select that package |
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| 05:35.49 | en1gma | k 1 sec |
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| 05:36.47 | en1gma | that lists as red too |
| 05:36.49 | \amethyst | sol: allow should take priority |
| 05:36.59 | \amethyst | sol: man 5 hosts_access |
| 05:37.03 | en1gma | in the / shouldnt it show all broken packages there |
| 05:37.08 | sol | ahh ty :) |
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| 05:37.15 | n3kl_ | does iceweasel provide a way to save sessions in the way that opera does? |
| 05:37.26 | sol | was wondering why there wasnt a man page for it :) |
| 05:37.27 | sol | nite |
| 05:37.45 | en1gma | it just shows "BB 2.5-9" |
| 05:38.12 | cilkay | When you apt-get remove a package, shouldn't the init script for it be removed too? I noticed that removing bind9 didn't remove the init script. |
| 05:38.42 | \amethyst | cilkay: init script is considered a configuration file (it's in /etc and the sysadmin might change it), so it's not automatically removed |
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| 05:39.01 | cilkay | n3kl_: Firefox has the ability to save sessions. |
| 05:39.04 | \amethyst | cilkay: you have to purge a package to remove the conffiles |
| 05:39.18 | cilkay | \amethyst: can you purge after you have removed? |
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| 05:39.26 | itsiktklm | can anyone recomend repos for e17 on etch or .deb packages for e17? |
| 05:39.28 | \amethyst | cilkay: ces |
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| 05:39.30 | \amethyst | cilkay: yes |
| 05:39.33 | cilkay | Thanks. |
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| 05:39.46 | gpm | \amethyst: really? you can? won't it just say package is not installed? |
| 05:39.48 | en1gma | amethyst you talking to me |
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| 05:40.03 | gpm | en1gma: you know about tab-completion for irc, right? |
| 05:40.05 | hark | /msg dpkg purge |
| 05:40.05 | \amethyst | en1gma: 2.5-8 isn't listed at all? |
| 05:40.14 | en1gma | nope |
| 05:40.26 | gpm | en1gma: start typing the nick of the person your talking to then push tab |
| 05:40.41 | gpm | en1gma: like, to get your name i just typed en[tab] |
| 05:40.41 | en1gma | ive used so many irc clients and it seams they all have different completion |
| 05:40.50 | \amethyst | gpm: lots of nick-completion routines don't think my backslash belongs in a nick |
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| 05:41.02 | en1gma | i dragged his name into text box but it dont drag right |
| 05:41.05 | gpm | \amethyst: aw |
| 05:41.12 | debianer | itchi: thank you for the page about scaling |
| 05:41.14 | debianer | it worked. |
| 05:41.21 | en1gma | gpm konv must not have tab completion |
| 05:41.24 | gpm | \amethyst: why do you use one? |
| 05:41.33 | gpm | en1gma: aw...weak. |
| 05:41.43 | debianer | itchi: how can I pass echo ondemand > scaling_governor to debian when booting up? |
| 05:41.47 | rnix | ls -> /bin/ls - no such file or directory. changing a directory work, the autocomplete of the bash work too, but there is no chance to run anything from /bin or /usr/bin. this happened after a python backupscript was called. my problem is now that i cannot login any longer to the system (since /bin/bash is not found as well). what could have happened here, since all those files still appear by autocomplete of the bash (there is one authenticated non-root user le |
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| 05:41.49 | en1gma | some use commas and others use others |
| 05:42.08 | gpm | en1gma: you can configure it in a good client |
| 05:42.13 | rxKaffee | how can I get a list of all installed packages that are related to sqlite? something like apt-cache search sqlite, but only showing installed packages |
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| 05:42.26 | itchi | debianer: Sorry, i need to go right now :-( |
| 05:42.28 | \amethyst | gpm: I don't know how to purge a removed package in apt-get, but in aptitude you can just aptitude purge packagename |
| 05:42.37 | en1gma | idk something about konv i like...maybe the fonts or something |
| 05:42.41 | itchi | debianer: I'm again to late :-p |
| 05:42.41 | gpm | \amethyst: yet another reason to aptitude |
| 05:42.54 | gpm | \amethyst: does that work with the cli interface of aptitude? |
| 05:43.01 | en1gma | my favorites are the ones where you can dbl click the user name |
| 05:43.01 | Vasistha | rnix: what version of debian are you using? |
| 05:43.09 | en1gma | and it adds it to the text box |
| 05:43.10 | debianer | itchi: thank you. |
| 05:43.11 | rnix | Vasistha: sarge |
| 05:43.27 | \amethyst | gpm: you can use either purge packagename or, if you're already using another command packagename_ |
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| 05:43.41 | Vasistha | rnix: can you explicitly run /bin/ls ? |
| 05:43.46 | itchi | debianer: cd /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/; echo ondemand > scaling_governor |
| 05:43.49 | itchi | debianer: I go go go :-p |
| 05:44.05 | \amethyst | gpm: for example aptitude install foo bar baz_ fum= will install foo and bar, purge baz, and mark fum as held |
| 05:44.15 | en1gma | amethyst was i supposed to do something you told me to do |
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| 05:44.25 | en1gma | and i just missed it maybe |
| 05:44.43 | rnix | Vasistha: no, nothing. maybe the permissions were kicked in any way |
| 05:44.56 | debianer | itchi: you are not Chinese are you? |
| 05:45.08 | \amethyst | en1gma: My suggestion is to get libc6-dev-i386 version 2.5-8 from snapshot.debian.net |
| 05:45.10 | debianer | itchi: I can tell you are not a native speaker |
| 05:45.10 | itchi | debianer: No, i'm from Belgium |
| 05:45.14 | Vasistha | rnix: what were you doing when you got yourself in thie quagmire? |
| 05:45.16 | debianer | I see. |
| 05:45.18 | itchi | debianer: Bingo :-) |
| 05:45.35 | debianer | itchi: I hope you didn't try that 'sex calender' on your site :P |
| 05:45.38 | \amethyst | en1gma: then dpkg -i it from the command line, see if that fixes things |
| 05:45.39 | itchi | debianer: Man, i see you later, i gona get some troubles, i feel it :-s |
| 05:45.47 | debianer | itchi: thank you. take care. |
| 05:45.59 | en1gma | amethyst if i just leave it as broken will "apt-get" be broken or does it work |
| 05:46.02 | itchi | debianer: My wife is awaiting a kid :-) it's for lesser as a week |
| 05:46.16 | en1gma | it looks like this problem isnt to severe as im still up and running |
| 05:46.17 | rnix | Vasistha: it was not me killing this system |
| 05:46.34 | \amethyst | en1gma: apt-get will keep complaining until it's fixed |
| 05:46.35 | itchi | See you laters guys ;-) |
| 05:46.56 | en1gma | but it dont actually break apt-get though which it looks like i can live with |
| 05:46.58 | rnix | Vasistha: but that does not matter now |
| 05:47.01 | en1gma | hope its fixed soon |
| 05:47.08 | en1gma | thanks for helping me |
| 05:47.30 | rnix | Vasistha: we could maybe risk a reboot, but i'm not sure what happens then |
| 05:47.37 | sussudio | !find tclConfig.sh |
| 05:47.59 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'tclConfig.sh' (5): (/usr/lib/itcl3.2/itclConfig.sh) in libs/itcl3 ;; (/usr/lib/tcl8.3/tclConfig.sh) in devel/tcl8.3-dev ;; (/usr/lib/tcl8.4/tclConfig.sh) in devel/tcl8.4-dev ;; (/usr/lib/itcl3.1/itclConfig.sh) in devel/itcl3.1-dev ;; (/usr/lib/{jpegtclConfig.sh|pngtclConfig.sh|tifftclConfig.sh|...}) in devel/libtk-img. |
| 05:48.00 | Vasistha | rnix: yeah, that seems pretty risky. |
| 05:48.04 | en1gma | does aptitude have a gui |
| 05:48.28 | Vasistha | rnix: it doesn't matter whose fault it is, but it might be helpful to know what was going on before... |
| 05:48.40 | \amethyst | en1gma: only if you consider xterm a GUI :) |
| 05:48.47 | en1gma | :) |
| 05:48.50 | \amethyst | en1gma: BTW, http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2007/05/20/debian/pool/main/g/glibc/libc6-dev-i386_2.5-8_amd64.deb is the deb you need |
| 05:49.06 | en1gma | k grabbing it now |
| 05:49.43 | en1gma | you dont think i need the libc6-i386 too? |
| 05:50.17 | \amethyst | en1gma: wouldn't be a bad idea |
| 05:50.31 | Vasistha | rnix: what does ls -l /bin/ls report for permissions, etc? |
| 05:50.55 | abchirk | Is here anyone who has an ntpdate server for germany? |
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| 05:51.53 | \amethyst | abchirk: {0,1,2,3}.de.pool.ntp.org |
| 05:52.00 | rnix | Vasistha: we could not defenitly say what caused this. but it happened after calling a zope database backup script. but this script does not perform any fancy things. so we're not sire if this was the real reason of if this was just hazard that it happened at the same time and is the result of another fault |
| 05:52.04 | abchirk | thx |
| 05:52.09 | rnix | Vasistha: ls is not callable |
| 05:52.15 | rnix | Vasistha: in no way |
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| 05:52.25 | Vasistha | rnix: haha ... oh yeah :) how about stat |
| 05:52.48 | Vasistha | not that it's funny :-/ just ... heh ... hard to imagine not having ls |
| 05:52.54 | \amethyst | rnix: what does ldd `which ls` say? |
| 05:53.51 | Vasistha | rnix: well, if the script, even if small, was poorly written, it could have done something undesired, if it ran into something weird |
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| 05:54.03 | rnix | anything from /bin and /usr/bin return 'no such file or directory', but the autocompletion of the bash works... i have never seen such an effect before |
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| 05:54.19 | abchirk | Mh but if I use one...date shows still the old time? \amethyst ? |
| 05:54.24 | en1gma | amethyst i put "libc6-i386" in the "package name" text box and im not sure how you got to the amd64 version |
| 05:54.27 | en1gma | how did you do that |
| 05:54.28 | \amethyst | rnix: what does echo /bin/* say? |
| 05:54.31 | abchirk | Do I need to set a timezome or something elese? |
| 05:54.44 | \amethyst | abchirk: probably, not sure |
| 05:54.45 | Vasistha | rnix: well, your bash process is running in memory; but you're unable to load new processes, which must get a handle on the binary |
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| 05:55.23 | rnix | \amethyst: it lists the files of /bin |
| 05:55.42 | \amethyst | en1gma: it's a little tricky... put it into "package name pattern" instead, select query |
| 05:55.54 | en1gma | ok was just trying that as we speak |
| 05:55.59 | \amethyst | en1gma: select the package and your arch |
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| 05:56.38 | \amethyst | en1gma: then look at Packages.gz... search for the package and version you need in that, take the Filename: field, and paste it after "archive/" in the URL |
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| 05:57.35 | \amethyst | en1gma: another possibility is to just know what date the package was upgraded on :) |
| 05:57.43 | en1gma | http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2007/05/20/debian/pool/main/g/glibc/libc6-i386_2.5-8_amd64.deb ? |
| 05:57.51 | en1gma | weee |
| 05:58.03 | en1gma | yea thats a little not user friendly :) |
| 05:58.07 | en1gma | but it does work |
| 05:58.19 | en1gma | nice site...bet ill be using that one alot with sid |
| 05:58.28 | Guerin | what do you want, friendly, or functional? |
| 05:58.38 | en1gma | functional any day of the week |
| 05:58.44 | Guerin | right |
| 05:58.54 | Guerin | otherwise you'd be using a mac |
| 05:59.03 | en1gma | :) |
| 05:59.13 | en1gma | a mac running windows or unix is the Q |
| 05:59.16 | \amethyst | en1gma: one nice thing... if you previously had a certain version installed, there's a good chance it'll be in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 05:59.26 | \amethyst | en1gma: unless you clean that up frequently |
| 05:59.38 | en1gma | oh yea i forgot to ask about that earlier |
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| 05:59.54 | rnix | Vasistha: it seem that any system related process in the memory crashed in the running system (file handles, whatever). |
| 06:00.00 | en1gma | so as long as i dont clean/purge those other pkgs stay there? |
| 06:00.16 | en1gma | nice |
| 06:00.38 | \amethyst | en1gma: as long as you don't use dselect :) |
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| 06:01.10 | en1gma | i dont even know what that option that is or even the program it uses |
| 06:01.15 | \amethyst | en1gma: (apt is called by dselect, it automatically does clean |
| 06:01.35 | en1gma | ahhh ok |
| 06:01.41 | rnix | Vasistha: surprisingly no running process is effected. all services work as expected, but no new processes can be started |
| 06:01.48 | \amethyst | en1gma: it's another, older than aptitude, front-end to the package system |
| 06:02.03 | \amethyst | en1gma: older than apt, for that matter |
| 06:02.07 | en1gma | to tell the truth my fav place to update/install/upgrade is in the konsole window using apt-get |
| 06:02.09 | Vasistha | rnix: can you run ldd /bin/ls ? |
| 06:02.33 | en1gma | im getting pretty good with apt-get and using its apt-cache search too |
| 06:02.36 | Vasistha | en1gma: yeah ... aptitude's better ;) |
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| 06:02.58 | \amethyst | en1gma: aptitude's searching is quite nice... you can search on pretty much any field of a package |
| 06:03.04 | en1gma | man that app has always scared me from the very first time i installed debian (when it used to come with debian) |
| 06:03.14 | \amethyst | en1gma: and states, like the ~b you saw (broken package) |
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| 06:03.23 | en1gma | yea that is true |
| 06:03.25 | rnix | jensens: hi |
| 06:03.30 | en1gma | maybe i should give it another chance |
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| 06:03.53 | \amethyst | en1gma: and you can do all those searches from the command-line too |
| 06:04.05 | jensens | rnix: hi, the output for /ldd /bin/ls is : -bash: /usr/bin/ldd: /bin/bash: bad interpreter: No such file or directory |
| 06:04.23 | en1gma | is apt-get the real package manager ( i mean what do all the packages managers use) like kpackage, synaptic and other |
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| 06:05.33 | en1gma | i know i usea gui aptitude before i thought |
| 06:05.47 | \amethyst | en1gma: APT is the underlying package manager, and apt-get is the "default" command-line interface for APT |
| 06:05.55 | \amethyst | en1gma: s/manager/management system/ |
| 06:05.57 | en1gma | ahh so it is apt |
| 06:06.06 | en1gma | ok then that IS the one i should be using |
| 06:06.13 | en1gma | i thought apt-get was the underlying one |
| 06:06.14 | \amethyst | en1gma: apt isn't a program, it's a library |
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| 06:06.22 | rnix | hmmm. |
| 06:06.45 | \amethyst | en1gma: aptitude never calls apt-get, for example---it calls the same underlying routines that apt-get calls |
| 06:06.47 | Vasistha | jensens: bad interpreter ... that's kind of interesting. It looks like this may be truly a bash problem |
| 06:06.51 | \amethyst | en1gma: which themselves call dpkg |
| 06:07.02 | en1gma | ok that makes alot of sence |
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| 06:07.15 | en1gma | so aptitude just has a frontend kind of |
| 06:07.34 | en1gma | well then that is definately the one i should be using |
| 06:07.36 | \amethyst | en1gma: some GUI package managers probably do use apt-get underneath, not sure |
| 06:07.38 | Tomasu | anyone here work with Xen on debian? I can't get the 2.6.18-xen kernel to boot, it can't find the root partition (which a non xen kernel happily finds) |
| 06:08.03 | en1gma | im going to go mess with aptitude right now and see if i can get a feel for it |
| 06:08.07 | \amethyst | en1gma: There are a few things you still need apt-get for. aptitude doesn't handle source packages, for example |
| 06:08.07 | rnix | Vasistha: is there a way to specify another shell when connectin via ssh, so this can be tested immediatly |
| 06:08.07 | en1gma | thnx |
| 06:08.16 | en1gma | ohhh |
| 06:08.36 | en1gma | thats to bad |
| 06:08.43 | TheBonsai | rnix: ssh user@host command |
| 06:08.51 | TheBonsai | "command" can be your other shell |
| 06:09.04 | TheBonsai | (if security rules allow it) |
| 06:09.06 | en1gma | so what do you do when you want to add sources |
| 06:09.07 | \amethyst | en1gma: I use apt-get for the source and build-deps commands, and aptitude for everything else |
| 06:09.11 | Vasistha | rnix: dash would be a good candidate |
| 06:09.16 | \amethyst | en1gma: no, I mean source packages |
| 06:09.19 | en1gma | ok kool |
| 06:09.40 | \amethyst | en1gma: I edit /etc/apt/sources.list when I want to add sources :) |
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| 06:09.53 | en1gma | can apt-get do everything aptitude can |
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| 06:10.05 | en1gma | like can it display broken pkgs |
| 06:10.31 | en1gma | prob so |
| 06:10.38 | \amethyst | en1gma: apt-get check maybe |
| 06:10.43 | rnix | ssh me@mybox /bin/dash --> /bin/bash: nor such file or directory... |
| 06:10.48 | rnix | sh** |
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| 06:12.32 | \amethyst | rnix: do you have any way of editing /etc/passwd ? |
| 06:12.40 | rnix | seem that the system tries to perform the given command with the default shell, which is the bash in my case :( |
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| 06:13.18 | Vasistha | rnix: here's another interesting thing to test -- we can test if your running instance of bash can successfully fork, by opening a subshell |
| 06:13.40 | rnix | \amethyst: no |
| 06:13.52 | rnix | Vasistha: how is this done? |
| 06:14.13 | Vasistha | rnix: ( sleep 5 ) & |
| 06:14.23 | Vasistha | wait, you might not have sleep :P |
| 06:14.28 | MoDaX | en1gma: no. aptitude is different (i.e. not just the name :) ) |
| 06:14.30 | Vasistha | something else :) |
| 06:15.15 | jensens | Vasistha: result is -bash: line 37: /bin/sleep: No such file or directory |
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| 06:15.33 | Vasistha | jensens: how about ( echo hi ) & |
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| 06:16.40 | en1gma | CPU-1:/home/nunyer# dpkg -i libc6-i386_2.5-8_amd64.deb |
| 06:16.40 | en1gma | dpkg: status database area is locked by another process |
| 06:16.40 | dpkg | ...but status database area is already something else... |
| 06:16.43 | jensens | Vasistha: this worked. |
| 06:17.00 | \amethyst | en1gma: you're still running aptitude? |
| 06:17.08 | en1gma | i dont think so |
| 06:17.10 | Vasistha | jensens: well, so bash can fork :) that's *something* anyway, I guess |
| 06:17.12 | en1gma | i have only 1 term up |
| 06:17.27 | en1gma | maybe i need to reboot |
| 06:17.32 | \amethyst | no |
| 06:17.35 | en1gma | i did do a dist-upgrade |
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| 06:18.17 | Vasistha | jensens: I'm trying to think of a creative way to change the /etc/passwd file using only shell builtins ... whaddayathink, TheBonsai ? |
| 06:18.31 | MoDaX | en1gma: check processes with `ps aux` |
| 06:18.36 | \amethyst | en1gma: is there another instance of dpkg suspended or in the background? |
| 06:18.38 | Zemus | ##windows is utterly useless. |
| 06:18.49 | Zemus | You lot probably know more about the win32 kernel and the way windows works than they do. :/ |
| 06:18.50 | TheBonsai | Vasistha: i fear it :) |
| 06:19.02 | Zemus | Herro Vasistha. :) |
| 06:19.03 | Zemus | Do you ever sleep? |
| 06:19.04 | en1gma | checking 1 sec |
| 06:19.07 | Vasistha | something along the lines of: while read line; echo ${line//bash/dash} >newpasswd; done </etc/passwd |
| 06:19.08 | \amethyst | jensens: first of all function cat { while read l; do echo "$l"; done ; } |
| 06:19.33 | Vasistha | and then while read line; echo "$line" >/etc/passwd; done <newpasswd |
| 06:19.38 | Vasistha | but that's super-dangerous!!! |
| 06:19.44 | Vasistha | better be a good script :) |
| 06:19.54 | \amethyst | I'd just add a new user to the end of passwd and fix it later |
| 06:20.12 | \amethyst | have we confirmed that you can run dash? |
| 06:20.12 | TheBonsai | \amethyst: while read; do echo "$REPLY"; done (i recently noticed that REPLY holds the line 100% literally) |
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| 06:20.53 | en1gma | i see aptitude as running and i dont know why |
| 06:20.54 | rnix | theres still the fact that we have just one non-root authenticated user left |
| 06:20.57 | Vasistha | Zemus: yeah, I tend to sleep from 12 or 2 am to 8 or 10 am, UTC-0700 (or -0800 when it's not summer) |
| 06:21.04 | en1gma | gonna kill it |
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| 06:21.18 | \amethyst | TheBonsai: nice |
| 06:22.01 | \amethyst | en1gma: what are the STAT and TTY of aptitude according to ps? |
| 06:22.10 | en1gma | http://pastebin.ca/508911 |
| 06:22.20 | TheBonsai | \amethyst: just tested it again. read a<<<" fooo bar xy" vs read<<<" foo bar xy" - some #bash user showed me that, i really was surprised |
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| 06:22.40 | Vasistha | \amethyst: we haven't figured out if it's possible to run dash ... of course, it'll be difficult to add a new user without being able to generate a password. Or we could use the same password as another user and copy that line |
| 06:23.34 | Vasistha | TheBonsai: whoa, that's weird! bash strikes again. |
| 06:23.37 | jensens | Vasistha: we dont have a root user left |
| 06:23.40 | \amethyst | TheBonsai: aha, didn't think about leading spaces... |
| 06:23.54 | MoDaX | en1gma: upgrade lib32ncurses5 first |
| 06:24.02 | Vasistha | jensens: ah, you're not logged in as root? what do you mean by "left"? |
| 06:24.09 | MoDaX | en1gma: known and already fixed bug |
| 06:24.12 | en1gma | i think its already upgraded |
| 06:24.23 | TheBonsai | Vasistha: i didn't see (in the backlog) what the essential problem is. file not found's in ls? |
| 06:24.25 | TheBonsai | erm |
| 06:24.26 | TheBonsai | /bin |
| 06:24.28 | jensens | well, i had a screen running with a root, but i suspected a screen problem first so i exited it |
| 06:24.45 | MoDaX | en1gma: dpkg -l lib32ncurses5 | grep ii |
| 06:24.54 | jensens | Vasistha: sorry, forgot to adress abaove to you |
| 06:25.11 | en1gma | ii lib32ncurses5 5.6-1 Shared libraries for terminal handling (32-bit) |
| 06:25.20 | Vasistha | jensens: heh. damn. |
| 06:25.25 | Vasistha | TheBonsai: [22:41] <rnix> ls -> /bin/ls - no such file or directory. changing a directory work, the autocomplete of the bash work too, but there is no chance to run anything from /bin or /usr/bin. this happened after a python backupscript was called. my problem is now that i cannot login any longer to the system (since /bin/bash is not found as well). what could have happened here, since all those files still appear by autocomplete of the bash |
| 06:25.25 | Vasistha | (there is one authenticated non-root user le |
| 06:25.54 | MoDaX | en1gma: not updated. the latest is 5.6-3 |
| 06:26.27 | en1gma | maybe aptitude was grabbing and stopped the upgrade when it encountered the error for libc6-i386 ? |
| 06:26.38 | en1gma | not aptitude i mean synaptic |
| 06:26.57 | Vasistha | TheBonsai: but I thought this other error was perhaps more useful/descriptive: [23:03] <jensens> rnix: hi, the output for /ldd /bin/ls is : -bash: /usr/bin/ldd: /bin/bash: bad interpreter: No such file or directory |
| 06:27.13 | TheBonsai | it`s the same error |
| 06:27.23 | TheBonsai | and echo /bin/l* shows it? |
| 06:27.33 | en1gma | how does that work when a package manager encounters an error...does it continure to install the rest of the upgrades or stop as soon as it encounters an error during install |
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| 06:27.47 | jensens | TheBonsai: yes |
| 06:27.54 | MoDaX | en1gma: probably, dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/lib32ncurses5_5.6-3_amd64.deb |
| 06:28.15 | en1gma | sure nuff |
| 06:28.19 | en1gma | it installed |
| 06:28.29 | TheBonsai | jensens: same trouble with all executables or only /bin /usr/bin ? |
| 06:28.39 | MoDaX | en1gma: then retry upgrade |
| 06:28.43 | en1gma | omg how maye packages didnt get installed during that upgrade i wonder |
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| 06:28.59 | en1gma | k 1min |
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| 06:29.24 | en1gma | re upgrade the libc6-i386 pkg or re try the whole upgrade |
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| 06:29.58 | MoDaX | en1gma: the whole |
| 06:30.02 | en1gma | k 1 sec |
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| 06:30.54 | jensens | TheBonsai: difficult to answer correctly, i'd say yes. |
| 06:31.08 | en1gma | says "could not upgrade the system! fix broken packages first" when i apply marked packages |
| 06:31.19 | Vasistha | jensens: well, do you have a ~/bin or something with a script you can try? |
| 06:31.24 | MoDaX | en1gma: dpkg --configure -a |
| 06:31.50 | TheBonsai | Vasistha: a script needs an interpreter --> the test will most likely fail |
| 06:31.53 | lokkju_wrk | hey, have any of you have luck with wget and recursive ftp? I want to a download a directory and everything under it, but I keep get an error about missing ".listing" files |
| 06:32.31 | Vasistha | TheBonsai: true, an executable would be far more appropriate |
| 06:32.38 | en1gma | MoDaX http://pastebin.ca/508924 |
| 06:32.39 | eat_life | is it possible to tell apt not to update a certain software? |
| 06:32.43 | lokkju_wrk | oops |
| 06:32.43 | jensens | Vasistha: seems all depends on some bin, i have only scripts, for example -bash: /opt/adminscripts/createsvnexternals.py: /usr/bin/env: bad interpreter: No such file or directory |
| 06:32.45 | sep | !hold |
| 06:32.46 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections' or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" because they require packages that are not currently (or tri |
| 06:32.48 | Tomasu | alright, managed to fix my xen issue. seems the initramfs image was never created when the kernel was installed :o |
| 06:32.56 | lokkju_wrk | nm, I am an idiot - it was trying to write it locally, and I didn't sudo |
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| 06:33.18 | MoDaX | en1gma: ok, now run dist-upgrade again |
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| 06:33.38 | Vasistha | jensens: no executables written in C, huh? or packages that you compiled yourself where you still have the executable from 'make' sitting around in another location? |
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| 06:34.17 | jensens | Vasistha: well, i'am a python coder, and its some years ago i wrote my admin scripts in C |
| 06:34.32 | en1gma | MoDaX http://pastebin.ca/508927 |
| 06:34.34 | Vasistha | jensens: not very practical, eh? :) |
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| 06:34.56 | MoDaX | en1gma: do as it says |
| 06:35.15 | en1gma | k 1 sec |
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| 06:35.34 | jensens | Vasistha: and this is a server for ZOPE and its just a plain sarge + some Zope (python) code. and the only compiled parts are libraries for python. |
| 06:35.47 | Begasus | finaly ... |
| 06:35.48 | rnix | Vasistha: practical as long as the system works :P |
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| 06:35.58 | en1gma | ok its working |
| 06:36.26 | en1gma | this prob was originated from libcurses being not installed soon enough during the dist-upgrade? |
| 06:36.38 | jensens | Vasistha: fortunally debian has everything for our use-case as a package |
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| 06:36.45 | en1gma | where do i read info on this stuff |
| 06:36.55 | en1gma | or is this the latest place to find that info |
| 06:37.04 | cilkay | What's the story with security.debian.org? It's very slow. |
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| 06:37.17 | MoDaX | en1gma: maybe apt how-to |
| 06:37.42 | en1gma | well the thing that fixed it was installing that libcurses you told me to do |
| 06:38.01 | en1gma | wasnt it |
| 06:38.06 | Tomasu | anyone get xenman to work in etch? |
| 06:38.30 | en1gma | "dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/lib32ncurses5_5.6-3_amd64.deb" |
| 06:38.45 | MoDaX | en1gma: yes |
| 06:39.33 | en1gma | [20:23] <MoDaX> en1gma: upgrade lib32ncurses5 first <<<<where do you go to find this info |
| 06:39.36 | Vasistha | jensens: unfortunately, none of the resident #debian experts seem to be around/awake :( |
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| 06:40.00 | en1gma | like maybe debian sid forum or something? |
| 06:40.03 | jensens | Vasistha: anyway, thx so much so far. |
| 06:40.19 | cilkay | jensens: What's the problem? BTW, I think we've chatted on #plone before. |
| 06:40.24 | MoDaX | en1gma: from the dpkg error and bts |
| 06:40.38 | en1gma | ahh so you just backtrace and fix each dep first? |
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| 06:41.10 | timothy | um |
| 06:41.14 | jensens | cilkay: hi. well, we have the problem that we cant start any process on our server, even if it seems that files are there (for example /bin/ls ) |
| 06:41.18 | Vasistha | jensens: yeah, you're welcome ... wish I could think of something here! Just to find out the "stakes" here ... is this a production server? Do you have physical access to it? |
| 06:41.37 | MoDaX | en1gma: well, dpkg complained about lib32ncurses5. I went to bugs.debian.org/lib32ncurses5 and saw a bug report |
| 06:41.38 | en1gma | ok will try to fix myself the next time and i hope i dont make things worse ;) |
| 06:41.49 | rnix | Vasistha: it's production and remote |
| 06:41.51 | jensens | Vasistha: its a production server some hundreds kilometers away :-/ |
| 06:42.14 | jensens | Vasistha: the zope-servers are up and running, so customers are still happy |
| 06:42.14 | en1gma | damn the more i stay here the more i learn how professional debian is compared to some other distros |
| 06:42.23 | timothy | I seem to only be able to talk to google over the network |
| 06:42.25 | Vasistha | jensens: is there someone you can call who can take a look at it, or would it be cost-prohibitive to do that? |
| 06:42.32 | en1gma | bookmarking that site too |
| 06:42.35 | en1gma | thanks |
| 06:42.52 | cilkay | jensens: I've seen that before. 1. Possible causes: resource exhaustion - you've hit some limit. 2. Hacked server. 3. Hardware problems. |
| 06:43.08 | rnix | Vasistha: support is included |
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| 06:43.17 | cilkay | jensens: #1 is the easiest one to deal with. The others won't be much fun. |
| 06:43.48 | Vasistha | rnix: well, that's good! :) |
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| 06:43.54 | rnix | :) |
| 06:44.16 | cilkay | jensens: do you have any sort of remote console solution on that server? I don't mean a remote shell. I mean a remote console. |
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| 06:44.29 | rnix | cilkay: #3 -> at least the raid is ok (thats what i can still check) |
| 06:44.49 | cilkay | jensens: Is the OS running on bare metal or is it virtualized, e.g. with Xen? |
| 06:45.03 | cilkay | rnix: You're with jensens? |
| 06:45.16 | rnix | cilkay: yes |
| 06:45.33 | tarzeau | nice http://carmstrong.fastmail.com.au/gnustepthemeingwindows.jpg |
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| 06:46.11 | en1gma | reticent (as in) "but I am reticent to uninstall" there is a new word for me :) |
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| 06:46.16 | rnix | cilkay: remote console is available, but i have to call the serverhouse before.. |
| 06:46.21 | timothy | can anyone hear me? |
| 06:46.22 | jensens | cilkay: the system is bare |
| 06:46.37 | timothy | or did I get blocked for good? |
| 06:46.40 | Vasistha | timothy: no, but I can see what you're typing |
| 06:46.44 | en1gma | are programmers better in math or grammar |
| 06:46.47 | timothy | ok |
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| 06:46.50 | cilkay | timothy: can't hear you but I can read what you're typing. |
| 06:47.05 | cilkay | en1gma: there is a difference? |
| 06:47.18 | timothy | on my laptop I said some things as root__ did you see any of those? |
| 06:47.20 | en1gma | i guess not...kind of like music isnt it |
| 06:47.42 | Vasistha | en1gma: depends on the programmer, and on the area of the respective subjects |
| 06:47.58 | timothy | I can't get the network to work right on the laptop, I can connect to google, but I can't ping the router |
| 06:48.00 | timothy | I don |
| 06:48.06 | timothy | t know what to do. |
| 06:48.14 | Vasistha | timothy: I saw a couple joins and parts, that's all |
| 06:48.21 | timothy | hmm |
| 06:48.28 | cilkay | rnix: I presume you can't start "tail" or anything like that to see the logs, right? |
| 06:48.34 | en1gma | i have noticed that alot of channels i goto complain about my grammar....those people might actually be programmers when all along i was think programmers where better at math |
| 06:48.48 | en1gma | talk about stereotyping |
| 06:48.56 | Vasistha | cilkay: the only thing we can work with here is shell builtins :) |
| 06:49.07 | rnix | cilkay: no |
| 06:49.17 | cilkay | rnix: if not, seeing the console might be useful to see if the kernel is dumping stuff to the console. |
| 06:49.26 | opqdonut | en1gma: programmers pay more attention to syntax than others :) |
| 06:49.27 | Vasistha | cilkay: e.g. while read; do echo "$REPLY"; done </var/log/whatever |
| 06:49.39 | timothy | I tried pasting 3 lines from a ping. and I got blocked. and now I seem to talk only to debian-overflow. I don't know how I can get it so the laptop can join again |
| 06:49.41 | en1gma | yea i should have thought that in the first place |
| 06:49.43 | cilkay | Vasistha: And? Anything interesting there? |
| 06:49.59 | Vasistha | cilkay: gotta ask rnix & jensens |
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| 06:50.13 | rnix | cilkay: i will call the support now and aks for the console. to #1 above: i cannot imagine that this happens since the services up are still performant |
| 06:50.18 | en1gma | damn my math is pretty good but my grammar (spelling and syntax are just horrible) |
| 06:50.20 | Vasistha | cilkay: I've just been trying to assist; glad you showed up, since I was running out of ideas ;) |
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| 06:51.07 | jensens | Vasistha: well, i'am just a user at the server, i dont have permissions to read the logs :-( |
| 06:51.08 | en1gma | doing drugs must not affect the math side of your brain....must just focus on the syntax side |
| 06:51.10 | en1gma | lol |
| 06:51.21 | Vasistha | jensens: oh yeah, that's right :P |
| 06:53.03 | Vasistha | jensens: and I suppose your user isn't in the adm group either, huh? |
| 06:53.03 | jensens | Vasistha: no, its one of this nice save users ... |
| 06:53.03 | cilkay | en1gma: I read an article once about how one needs to look at the prospective programmer's communications skills to see how good a programmer they are. If words matter to them, they are quite likely to be good programmers too. |
| 06:53.04 | en1gma | that actually makes alot of sence |
| 06:53.09 | cilkay | Sense, too. :) |
| 06:53.17 | en1gma | omg |
| 06:53.19 | en1gma | see |
| 06:53.20 | Vasistha | jensens: oh, it looks like /var/log/dmesg is o+r |
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| 06:54.16 | exobyte | is there a way to get iptables to forward packets on a port, but also let the local host get them? |
| 06:54.59 | Vasistha | jensens: although it also looks like /var/log/dmesg isn't actually going to give us anything useful :-/ |
| 06:55.06 | jensens | Vasistha: indeed, but it does not contain any relevant output |
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| 06:55.11 | wols_ | exobyte: whhat would that help? TCP is a two way street |
| 06:55.19 | en1gma | k brb gonna install an app and reboot just for the heck of it |
| 06:55.25 | en1gma | thnx for the help and will brb |
| 06:55.27 | wols_ | exobyte: tho, UDP might work possibily |
| 06:55.28 | exobyte | wols_: who said tcp? I'm testing a udp thing |
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| 06:55.33 | exobyte | wols_: yeah |
| 06:56.09 | cilkay | Perhaps "agi" would be fine, too. |
| 06:56.20 | Vasistha | cilkay: how'd you come up with that acronym?? (urpmi) |
| 06:56.45 | wols_ | Vasistha: he didn't. someone else did |
| 06:56.45 | cilkay | Vasistha: Mandriva's wrapper around RPM. Excellent, by the way. |
| 06:56.54 | wols_ | cilkay: most people use tab completing |
| 06:57.18 | cilkay | wols_: doesn't help with the "install" |
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| 06:57.49 | Vasistha | so, let's see. We cannot execute anything except shell builtins; we cannot open a new login shell; and we do not have a root shell. hrmph. |
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| 06:58.39 | Vasistha | jensens: maybe the thing to do is wait until the business day peak hours are over, then do the maintenance. what time is it? |
| 06:59.41 | cilkay | I wouldn't do that. This sounds like a sick server so it needs immediate attention. |
| 06:59.42 | vchrizz | hi, im trying to compile fglrx kernel module but it somehow doesnt work when running make.sh i get lots of errors regarding the script... i pasted info here: http://rafb.net/p/x0Y5gG68.html |
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| 07:00.19 | wols_ | Vasistha: this server has a dead libc6 or similar |
| 07:00.25 | Vasistha | cilkay: quite true, but it *is* running and keeping customers happy, and if the maintenance can be done during non-peak hours, it may be a wise business decision |
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| 07:00.49 | Vasistha | wols_: tell jensens and rnix -- it's their remote server :) |
| 07:01.02 | wols_ | your customer don't need any outside programs running? |
| 07:01.47 | cilkay | rnix: Running out of disk space can cause strange problems like that too. I've seen it when /var got filled up. |
| 07:01.56 | Vasistha | [23:41] <jensens> Vasistha: the zope-servers are up and running, so customers are still happy |
| 07:02.14 | Vasistha | is there any way to get df-type info from something in /proc ? |
| 07:02.33 | rnix | Vasistha: no |
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| 07:07.30 | rnix | Vasistha: correction. we can read information from proc |
| 07:08.05 | Vasistha | rnix: via bash builtins? yeah ... I would expect so ... the real question is whether we can actually find anything useful in there :-/ |
| 07:09.25 | rnix | Vasistha: diskstats? |
| 07:09.56 | Vasistha | rnix: well, I've been looking at this stuff, but it doesn't mean a damn thing to me :P |
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| 07:10.31 | rnix | Vasistha: i have the same problem... |
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| 07:11.12 | cilkay | rnix: cat /proc/diskstats show something, but I don't know how to interpret it. |
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| 07:11.29 | en1gma | anyone know how to tell the linux clock to stop changing my windows clock |
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| 07:11.31 | en1gma | :) |
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| 07:12.51 | Vasistha | rnix, cilkay: http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/landley/kdocs/Documentation/iostats.txt <-- guide to /proc/diskstats -- my conclusion is that it's of very limited use here |
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| 07:14.06 | cilkay | en1gma: There is a setting for specifying that your hardware clock is set to GMT, or not. I don't know where it is in a config file but I've seen it in the Mandriva Control Centre. |
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| 07:14.22 | eshaase | does mplayer use gstreamer? |
| 07:14.22 | ma3x | how do I find out how much bytes is the audio encoding taking in a video file? |
| 07:14.33 | en1gma | ahhh so maybe it dont have anything to do with the actual clock |
| 07:14.35 | en1gma | thanks |
| 07:14.42 | tarzeau | ma3x: copy/extract it? |
| 07:14.49 | tarzeau | ma3x: mencoder can do such things |
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| 07:15.01 | ma3x | tarzeau, how? I could do -dumpaudio (raw format) |
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| 07:15.49 | tarzeau | ma3x: if that works, yes |
| 07:16.00 | Vasistha | ma3x: great questions for #mplayer |
| 07:16.04 | rnix | Vasistha: i found the same doc :) |
| 07:16.15 | cilkay | en1gma: Linux probably thinks your hardware clock is set to GMT and adjusts for the time difference based on your locale. |
| 07:16.47 | cilkay | en1gma: you could just move to Greenwich - that would be a "fix" :) |
| 07:17.24 | en1gma | checking |
| 07:17.36 | jensens | cilkay: i assume its not the diskspace. /var is an own partition and all zodbs are here and you can still add content through the CMS |
| 07:17.50 | en1gma | i keep setting it as chicago (which is central time) which is gmt-5 but it dont work |
| 07:18.32 | en1gma | it should just let us pick which gmt we are |
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| 07:18.55 | Vasistha | en1gma: have you checked out tzconfig ? |
| 07:18.55 | cilkay | jensens: If that machine runs mail and mail is still working, then it's likely not /var space exhaustion. |
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| 07:19.13 | jensens | cilkay: its a pure zope machine |
| 07:20.10 | en1gma | Vasistha havent tried that as i would think i just right click the clock in system tray and select my timezone |
| 07:20.26 | cilkay | jensens: apparently not so "pure" any more :) |
| 07:20.33 | en1gma | which there is an option for but it dont do it |
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| 07:21.09 | Vasistha | en1gma: read man tzconfig |
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| 07:21.25 | benderz0r | has any one had any luck getting debian to work on an abit ib9 motherboard? |
| 07:21.25 | ^rob^ | !glib-gettextize |
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| 07:21.37 | ^rob^ | helo |
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| 07:21.39 | jensens | cilkay: its a sarge + zope+plone from the source. more pureness is difficult ;) |
| 07:22.01 | ^rob^ | anyone know what the heck is glib-gettextize ?? i want to compile inkscape |
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| 07:22.21 | benderz0r | it's a function |
| 07:22.33 | Vasistha | ^rob^: apt-get build-dep inkscape |
| 07:22.41 | ^rob^ | it seems debian have no glib-gettextsize - could not find in packages - packages.debian.org |
| 07:22.43 | ^rob^ | ah |
| 07:22.50 | ^rob^ | i forgot about apt-get build-deb |
| 07:22.53 | ^rob^ | dep |
| 07:22.53 | ^rob^ | :) |
| 07:22.55 | ^rob^ | ty |
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| 07:23.47 | ^rob^ | uh i got another one |
| 07:23.49 | ^rob^ | Build-dependencies for inkscape could not be satisfied |
| 07:23.53 | ^rob^ | :( |
| 07:24.04 | ^rob^ | deb-src http://ftp.lug.ro/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
| 07:24.15 | ^rob^ | i have src in my deb |
| 07:24.25 | ^rob^ | if i try to install inkscape it goes. |
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| 07:25.00 | en1gma | when does this command have to be done "apt-get build-deb" |
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| 07:25.10 | ^rob^ | but debian have old inkscape - i need at least 0.45 |
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| 07:25.30 | ^rob^ | i have build-deb |
| 07:25.33 | ^rob^ | installed |
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| 07:25.40 | rza | good morning |
| 07:25.52 | cydork | ^rob^: using etch? |
| 07:25.56 | ^rob^ | lenny |
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| 07:26.07 | cydork | ^rob^: which one does sid have? |
| 07:26.08 | rza | Jose Carlos Medeiros (php-imagick maintainer), any info if he ircs ? |
| 07:26.17 | ^rob^ | i have no clue - i use lenny |
| 07:26.36 | cydork | ^rob^: well if sid has that you can easily get it from sid. |
| 07:26.44 | ^rob^ | cydork: good ideea |
| 07:26.45 | ^rob^ | brb |
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| 07:28.19 | ^rob^ | that's odd - http://packages.debian.org search for inkscape yelled can't find package... |
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| 07:28.36 | ^rob^ | 0.45-1 |
| 07:28.44 | ^rob^ | it's in unstable |
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| 07:29.50 | cydork | ^rob^: then you can check /msg dpkg quick testing/sid mix |
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| 07:31.02 | ^rob^ | i am trying the deb directly - if it is gonna install - great else i'll compile from sources - putting sid dab-src ;) |
| 07:31.15 | ^rob^ | i wonded how unstable sid is? |
| 07:31.20 | ^rob^ | i'll jump to sid. |
| 07:31.23 | ^rob^ | :) |
| 07:31.23 | cydork | ^rob^: noo... |
| 07:31.27 | ^rob^ | anyone use sid? |
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| 07:31.37 | tictac | does the etch installer cds (binary-1,2,3) support usb external drives out of the box? |
| 07:31.43 | cydork | ^rob^: did you read the quck mix factoid? |
| 07:31.45 | rnix | is there a way to get the permissions of files by using echo? |
| 07:31.52 | ^rob^ | no |
| 07:32.03 | ^rob^ | cydork: what's the qm factoid? |
| 07:32.04 | azeem | tictac: support how? after the install? yes. |
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| 07:32.11 | mass0ud | Hello |
| 07:32.12 | cydork | ^rob^: /msg dpkg quick testing/sid mix |
| 07:32.21 | tictac | azeem, no, during the install. |
| 07:32.24 | mass0ud | how can I get the info documentation package for the c library? |
| 07:32.27 | ^rob^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:32.31 | ^rob^ | ah |
| 07:32.39 | ^rob^ | kopete - lol |
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| 07:32.59 | xtr3m3 | hiii |
| 07:33.02 | xtr3m3 | i need help |
| 07:33.05 | tictac | azeem, i wanted to know if i can use it like a cheap knoppix cd. basically, i wanna dd a drive to another. |
| 07:33.09 | xtr3m3 | i want to install DBDesigner4 |
| 07:33.14 | ^rob^ | xtr3m3: ask the question first |
| 07:33.22 | xtr3m3 | but i can't |
| 07:33.37 | itchi | wazzaa, i'm back :-p |
| 07:34.04 | wols_ | xtr3m3: if you can't ask, how can we answer? |
| 07:34.05 | azeem | tictac: at which point? While in the installer? |
| 07:34.09 | ^rob^ | apt-get -t unstable install foo ?? wow |
| 07:34.12 | ^rob^ | that's nice |
| 07:34.25 | mass0ud | hey |
| 07:34.31 | mass0ud | how do I get the info node for the c librarY? |
| 07:34.33 | ^rob^ | it is possible to apt-cache too? |
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| 07:34.43 | itchi | xtr3m3: Fetch it, extract the zip, and start that app ./startdbd |
| 07:34.46 | tictac | azeem, yes. during the installer. basically, just boot the installer and drop down into a console. mount a usb drive, then dd my current drive to it. |
| 07:34.54 | itchi | ... if you get it working ... |
| 07:35.07 | azeem | tictac: should work, if dd is avaiable |
| 07:35.21 | xtr3m3 | i have debian lenny |
| 07:35.23 | xtr3m3 | mmm |
| 07:35.26 | tictac | hmm, alright. will try now. thanks. |
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| 07:35.50 | dimir | Moin! |
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| 07:36.08 | xtr3m3 | I did it |
| 07:36.15 | itchi | xtr3m3: That stuff not work here, without any error message |
| 07:36.17 | xtr3m3 | I did ./startdbd |
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| 07:37.08 | xtr3m3 | Starting DBDesigner4 ... |
| 07:37.13 | xtr3m3 | nothing else |
| 07:37.18 | xtr3m3 | don't work |
| 07:38.00 | itchi | xtr3m3: Yeah, i know :-) |
| 07:38.16 | xtr3m3 | what's the problem? |
| 07:38.18 | Vasistha | rnix, jensens : well, I'm off to bed. good luck! hope it all gets sorted out smoothly. |
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| 07:38.34 | itchi | xtr3m3: Dunno, i'm not the author of that thingy |
| 07:38.50 | itchi | xtr3m3: And i will be happy if i would get a error of such heh |
| 07:38.56 | rnix | Vasistha: thx for your help. i will report you the result |
| 07:38.59 | ^rob^ | cydork: ty for this - it's great - debian goes greater and greater each time... woooow |
| 07:39.13 | en1gma | to the people that run debian sid...do you use apt-get clean or apt-get autpclean |
| 07:39.17 | xtr3m3 | *-) |
| 07:39.25 | mass0ud | oh, man |
| 07:39.25 | xtr3m3 | :-P |
| 07:39.26 | mass0ud | this sucks |
| 07:39.40 | mass0ud | i got the glibc-doc package, but it doesn't show up in the info index |
| 07:40.01 | cydork | ^rob^: no problem. |
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| 07:40.56 | itchi | xtr3m3: The sad thing is that there's no source available of it, so my only solution is to trash it |
| 07:41.26 | itchi | Bah, that stuff looks great, if us look to the screenshots |
| 07:41.53 | ^rob^ | cydork: how did you find about this? - i want to read more - or get news.. |
| 07:41.55 | ^rob^ | or something. |
| 07:41.59 | xtr3m3 | plop |
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| 07:42.20 | itchi | en1gma: s/apt-get/aptitude/ you mean i guess |
| 07:42.37 | cydork | ^rob^: stick around here :P |
| 07:43.12 | ^rob^ | lol |
| 07:43.14 | ^rob^ | :) |
| 07:43.22 | itchi | en1gma: 'clean' for both anyway |
| 07:43.25 | en1gma | i was on a site that explained apt-get and aptitude a bit and i didnt see a command for aptitude to do a clean/autoclean |
| 07:43.37 | itchi | en1gma: There is |
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| 07:43.45 | en1gma | http://anarka.org/linux/debian_pkgmanager.php |
| 07:43.49 | itchi | en1gma: apt-get|aptitude --help |
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| 07:45.17 | en1gma | i did apt-get autoclean....probably be the best one for me |
| 07:45.30 | en1gma | just want sure which one was the right choice |
| 07:46.09 | itchi | en1gma: Wrong one |
| 07:46.16 | timthelion | hey, I ran rsync on an ubuntu box, syncing to debian, I did rsync -rv /home/timothy timothy@192.168.1.133:/home/timothy then I whent to the debian box, and looked in /home/timothy. the files where not there. where did they go? |
| 07:46.19 | itchi | en1gma: Look with man apt-get |
| 07:46.57 | itchi | en1gma: "The difference is that it only removes package files that can no longer be downloaded, and are largely useless" |
| 07:46.58 | timthelion | is that not the correct way to copy home dirs? |
| 07:47.33 | itchi | en1gma: Anyway, if you run Sid, you may use aptitude and not apt-get |
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| 07:47.42 | en1gma | autoclean; similar to the clean option but only deletes old, useless, packages: |
| 07:47.57 | itchi | en1gma: I did a copy & paste ^^ |
| 07:48.17 | en1gma | it looks like its the right one |
| 07:48.17 | eat_life | is it possible to tell apt not to update a certain software? |
| 07:48.33 | sussudio | %tell eat_life about hold |
| 07:48.46 | timthelion | is there a better way to copy home dirs over the network? |
| 07:48.48 | en1gma | apt-get clean deletes all of /var/cache/apt/archives i think |
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| 07:49.11 | itchi | en1gma: Look to the size of all the stuff du -sh /var/cache/apt/archives/ then do that apt-get clean and you may see |
| 07:49.50 | itchi | en1gma: Yeah, it empty *all* the downloaded packages |
| 07:49.59 | itchi | arg, remove* |
| 07:50.13 | en1gma | well im talking if we use sid and do an apt-get dist-upgrade and something is broken then we can always do dpkg -i to install the old one |
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| 07:51.01 | en1gma | thats why i was wondering how good autoclean was |
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| 07:51.07 | itchi | en1gma: You can still fetch old .deb's of the snapshot server heh, or make use of an apt-cacher or apt-proxy and avoid 10 times all the debs on each client |
| 07:51.21 | en1gma | ahhh ok |
| 07:51.32 | itchi | en1gma: Did you saw what i pasted?? |
| 07:51.42 | itchi | en1gma: "The difference is that it only removes package files that can no longer be downloaded, and are largely useless" |
| 07:51.52 | en1gma | i linked you to that site |
| 07:51.53 | itchi | en1gma: It come of the man page |
| 07:51.53 | en1gma | lol |
| 07:52.06 | hopper | Can I combine the packages files of the three Etch DVDs and use that file together with the packages all in one folder? |
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| 07:52.26 | itchi | en1gma: The info and much more you find it back in the docs on your local system |
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| 07:52.47 | en1gma | the technical term is useless |
| 07:52.54 | en1gma | what does that mean exactly |
| 07:53.05 | en1gma | does it delete/remove only 2 versions back |
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| 07:53.16 | itchi | en1gma: Where did you smoke that? |
| 07:53.26 | en1gma | how does it decide what is useless |
| 07:53.48 | itchi | en1gma: That package list information |
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| 07:54.11 | itchi | en1gma: When you do apt-get|aptitude update, he first fetch a file with all the packages informations |
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| 07:55.48 | vlt | Hello. I want to offer a printer driver for samba (w2k) clients. I copied the driver files into a directory that is shared as \\server\print$\W32X86 to the clients but I still must install the dirver manually on each client. What files does the client expect there? |
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| 07:55.53 | en1gma | so in the package information if it says example: pkg1.0, pkg2.0, pkg3.0 are all good and you just installed pkg4.0 does it just get rid of pkg1.0 - pkg3.0 |
| 07:56.13 | en1gma | or does it just keep 1 version back |
| 07:56.34 | en1gma | so that way you can always rollback |
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| 07:56.57 | itchi | en1gma: It just keep all the stuff |
| 07:57.06 | itchi | en1gma: Unless you told it to trash it |
| 07:57.26 | en1gma | autoclean has to be told what to keep |
| 07:57.48 | cilkay | rnix: I'm curious what the solution turns out to be so please /msg me when you find out. |
| 07:57.49 | en1gma | i bet it keeps the previous version and trashes the rest |
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| 07:58.47 | itchi | en1gma: The packages that are no more available, cause of x or y reason |
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| 07:59.22 | itchi | en1gma: You want apt-cacher or apt-proxy |
| 07:59.32 | en1gma | no more available means "no longer being updated"? |
| 08:00.05 | en1gma | so it would be final then? |
| 08:00.06 | itchi | en1gma: These that where removed, i.e. big bug or renamed ... |
| 08:00.23 | en1gma | ahhh ok |
| 08:00.27 | en1gma | i think i get it |
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| 08:00.51 | Chronosphear | hi, is anyone else having problems accessing security.debian.org? |
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| 08:01.06 | en1gma | so apt-get clean is fine then....and if i need to downgrade use apt-cacher or apt-proxy or that snapshow website right? |
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| 08:01.24 | itchi | en1gma: no not realy |
| 08:01.26 | itchi | en1gma: wait |
| 08:01.30 | streuner | knusper:/home/user# ping -c1 security.debian.org |
| 08:01.33 | en1gma | k |
| 08:01.38 | streuner | 1 packets transmitted, 1 received, 0% packet loss, time 0ms |
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| 08:01.48 | Chronosphear | yeah it pings, but nothing on port 80 |
| 08:02.14 | itchi | en1gma: Read the introduction of this http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/guicms/html/articles/one.php?number=32 |
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| 08:04.35 | en1gma | well i dont see how that would be what i wanted |
| 08:04.50 | itchi | en1gma: See also /msg dpkg snapshots |
| 08:04.50 | en1gma | apt-get proxy just save server bandwith |
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| 08:05.03 | itchi | en1gma: and keep that package on that server |
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| 08:05.31 | en1gma | itchi are you high on crack ;) ? |
| 08:05.33 | itchi | en1gma: At least (depending of the config too), it keep some diff version of package x |
| 08:05.38 | en1gma | thats not what im wanting |
| 08:05.42 | itchi | en1gma: Never |
| 08:05.45 | en1gma | lol |
| 08:05.47 | streuner | Chronosphear: the webserver works |
| 08:06.25 | itchi | en1gma: You want to keep 'old' debs? |
| 08:06.25 | Chronosphear | oh thanks, must just be my connection. weird |
| 08:06.34 | en1gma | only if there is no otherway to downgrade |
| 08:06.38 | streuner | Chronosphear: hold on |
| 08:06.43 | en1gma | the snapshot server will prob do it all i think |
| 08:06.53 | bokey | !beer itchi |
| 08:06.57 | itchi | en1gma: You're better with the snapshots site |
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| 08:07.01 | itchi | yeah |
| 08:07.11 | itchi | bokey: bah, i not like beer :-§ |
| 08:07.20 | itchi | bokey: coffee? :-) |
| 08:07.23 | bokey | heh |
| 08:07.30 | itchi | !YACOC |
| 08:07.31 | bokey | itchi, sure |
| 08:07.31 | dpkg | rumour has it, yacoc is Yet Another Cup Of Coffee |
| 08:07.33 | en1gma | so if i do an 'apt-get clean' i can always downgrade if i use the snapshot server? |
| 08:07.36 | itchi | :-p |
| 08:07.50 | bokey | itchi, so how's things ? |
| 08:07.52 | itchi | en1gma: sure |
| 08:08.03 | itchi | bokey: Good heh :-) |
| 08:08.33 | en1gma | i was thinking i might have to do 'apt-get autoclean' so i could downgrade later thinking it only gets rid of the previous versions of the same pkd (always leaving one package besides the newly upgraded) |
| 08:08.40 | wols_ | en1gma: snapshot has been known to lose packages (disk failure) |
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| 08:09.01 | en1gma | wols_ O_o |
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| 08:09.15 | wols_ | and you do know that downgrade is not supported and might not always be possible |
| 08:09.20 | itchi | wols_: Good sys admins heh, wtf |
| 08:09.28 | en1gma | but thats not what apt-get autoclean does is it |
| 08:09.42 | en1gma | oh no.. didnt know that |
| 08:09.44 | wols_ | en1gma: no. it only keeps the currently installed package |
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| 08:09.48 | streuner | Chronosphear: http://www.debian.org/security/ |
| 08:09.50 | wols_ | !downgrade |
| 08:09.50 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
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| 08:10.01 | itchi | en1gma: If you try on libc you may screwed anyway |
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| 08:10.10 | itchi | and other important things too |
| 08:10.24 | en1gma | so what do you do if you cant rollback...reinstall? |
| 08:10.29 | itchi | en1gma: The question may, why do you run Sid at all?! |
| 08:10.37 | wols_ | yes. if you use something from a different branch, sooner or later it upgrades libc6. and to downgrade that is... dicey |
| 08:10.54 | wols_ | en1gma: we know how to fix our problems in sid |
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| 08:11.02 | wols_ | learn it,fast, or run stable |
| 08:11.13 | en1gma | yea i was thinking about lenny maybe |
| 08:11.20 | en1gma | but i do like to have the latest |
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| 08:11.53 | en1gma | will have to try to learn to fix it fast |
| 08:11.53 | wols_ | en1gma: then debian is the wrong distro for you |
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| 08:11.58 | wols_ | get LFS or such and learn about cvs/svn |
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| 08:12.09 | en1gma | ive done linux from scratch |
| 08:12.18 | en1gma | a few years ago |
| 08:12.22 | itchi | en1gma: Yeah try LFS, you will learn realy many with it |
| 08:12.30 | en1gma | ive done it* |
| 08:12.40 | itchi | ggggrrr lag |
| 08:12.43 | en1gma | :) |
| 08:12.50 | benderz0r | debian isn't detecting my sata drive (I'm trying to install) |
| 08:13.11 | en1gma | ive done cvs with cedega |
| 08:13.33 | ronr | hi all, I got trouble with imagetoraster (part of cupsys), I installed the cupsys-dbg package that should have some debug stuff, however I have no clue how to use this. Anyone any ideas on how I can try to figure out what's wrong with imagetoraster (the cups log, set to debug, doesn't say much more than: it stopped with status 1) |
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| 08:14.33 | itchi | Someone know how i can 'secure' NIS? |
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| 08:14.55 | cast | turn it off |
| 08:15.23 | benderz0r | agreed |
| 08:15.42 | benderz0r | any networked system can never be 'secure' |
| 08:16.17 | benderz0r | so, spill with the details in regards to kicking debian into liking my sata drives |
| 08:16.51 | cast | does the latest 2.6 version of linux detect it? |
| 08:16.58 | benderz0r | I've only just upgraded from the dark ages (socket a) and I have no real idea about sata; just that ahci should be working with ich8 |
| 08:17.05 | cast | or do other distros detect it? |
| 08:17.06 | itchi | NIS be nature is not secure, i may need to encrypt the stuff |
| 08:17.10 | benderz0r | 2.6.18 (testing weekly) doesn't detect it |
| 08:17.43 | en1gma | when i start debian up eachtime my hd light stays on a few mins and its working hard....this only happened after i added my windows raid0 array (1TB) in fstab |
| 08:17.45 | benderz0r | cast I only have ubuntu for reference and it also cannot detect it - though it is 2.6.20-15 which should detect it (I believe support was added in 2.6.19) |
| 08:17.50 | en1gma | is it indexing it |
| 08:18.00 | en1gma | and if so can i turn it off |
| 08:18.08 | benderz0r | I hear gossip about a sata specific debian install disk; though I can't find anything on it |
| 08:18.23 | sep | benderz0r, sounds like rather new hardware :] |
| 08:18.32 | benderz0r | sep that was the plan when up grading :P ...though I believe the board is about six months old (not rich :() |
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| 08:18.51 | cast | benderz0r: well if you can compile a kernel that'll detect it, install debian with debootstrap and compile your own [latest] kernel, |
| 08:19.05 | ronr | if anyone has any idea on where I can look, what M I can R, please tell me, I've been looking for this for weeks now and don't know where to look anymore |
| 08:19.47 | bokey | !beer itchi |
| 08:19.55 | benderz0r | cast: that sounds like a plan; though I don't think I've done that since woody. lets see how good my memory is |
| 08:19.58 | cast | en1gma: did you use the noauto option in fstab? |
| 08:20.13 | cast | benderz0r: theres an appendix in the deb install doc on debootstrap |
| 08:20.22 | benderz0r | ah good :) |
| 08:20.35 | en1gma | well someone gave me a tip the other day to set fstab to automount my array by copying the info from mtab about it after i manually mounted it |
| 08:21.02 | en1gma | i want it automounted just not indexed |
| 08:21.41 | cast | oh. |
| 08:21.51 | en1gma | it works great....just takes forever for debian to settle down cause its indexing another 1tb |
| 08:21.56 | cast | does mounting it normally take ages? noticed reiserfs is slow to mount |
| 08:21.58 | en1gma | besides the linux drive |
| 08:22.10 | en1gma | using ext3fs |
| 08:22.24 | en1gma | im not sure if its actually indexing but its doing something |
| 08:22.36 | cast | oh, thought it was a windows fs :\ |
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| 08:22.51 | en1gma | oh crap it is an ntfs sorry my bad |
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| 08:24.09 | en1gma | the 4 (250GB) in a raid0 array is a windows drive with ntfs |
| 08:25.50 | ma3x | is 1 CD of 700 MB = 734003200 bytes ? |
| 08:26.23 | lenny__ | Hi. how can i clean the "history" of searches made in Kmenu >find files ? (sorry, bad english and newby) |
| 08:26.27 | cast | en1gma: i hope you back that up :\ |
| 08:26.54 | hopper | Is it possible to create a local mirror using the ETch DVDs ? |
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| 08:27.51 | en1gma | ive had it mounted many times in linux and its been good this far |
| 08:27.56 | en1gma | knock on wood |
| 08:28.17 | en1gma | but how do i tell linux to stop reading it when it starts |
| 08:28.19 | en1gma | or indexing it....whatever its doing |
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| 08:28.39 | itchi | ma3x: The calculator may you friend ;-) |
| 08:28.43 | itchi | your* |
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| 08:29.09 | ma3x | itchi, but I mean that's how they calculate for CDs, like for hard drives, right? ( 1024 ) |
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| 08:30.02 | sander_m | Hello. Where can I find old packages? Specifically, I am looking for php_5.0.5-6.0~sarge1 which was released as a backport to sarge. Even more specifically, I need to know the configuration options it was compiled with. The phpinfo() command doesn't tell me. |
| 08:30.23 | itchi | ma3x: Try it out ;-) |
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| 08:31.18 | streuner | sander_m: try /msg dpkg sdn |
| 08:31.37 | streuner | sander_m: oh, backports... hm |
| 08:31.49 | rza | sander_m: phpinfo() should tell you the options |
| 08:32.12 | rza | sander_m: it also shows which shared extensions are loaded |
| 08:32.19 | sander_m | rza: It doesn't. Neither does my regular PHP 5.2 on Etch BTW. |
| 08:32.23 | streuner | sander_m: configuration options could be found via 'debian/rules' |
| 08:32.50 | streuner | sander_m: just get the source of it (deb-scr) |
| 08:33.06 | sander_m | streuder: I know, but I need the package for that. is debian/rules also present in the /deb or just the .diff.gz? |
| 08:33.08 | en1gma | going to bed peeps |
| 08:33.11 | en1gma | ttyls |
| 08:33.24 | streuner | !simple sid backport |
| 08:33.25 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly. |
| 08:34.13 | streuner | sander_m: point 1), 2) and 3) and read the folder then (debian/rules) |
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| 08:35.45 | itchi | What do you use then as NIS replacement? |
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| 08:35.59 | sander_m | streuder: Just to complicate things -- after the sarge backport was installed, the machine was upgraded to etch. However, the sarge backport is still runnning because for some reason, one PHP script works under 5.0.5 backport but not 5.2 |
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| 08:36.20 | sander_m | Ah well, I am now looking through /pool of the backports and see if I can find it. |
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| 08:36.45 | rza | sander_m: what errors do you get? |
| 08:37.04 | rza | and did the 5.0.5 have zend1 compatibility mode on? |
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| 08:38.23 | sander_m | Not sure. I can't check now. I'm just taking over from the regular sysadmin. If I enable 5.2 instead of 5.0.5 the live website will stop working. Unless you know of a way to somehow specify that one virtual host uses 5.0.5 while the rest runs on 5.2 |
| 08:38.53 | sander_m | Sorry if I make no sense :-) |
| 08:39.04 | rza | that can be done by running php as cgi i would assume |
| 08:39.15 | rza | you dont see any errors on the website? |
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| 08:39.32 | rza | propably display_errors is off |
| 08:39.42 | rza | check what errors you get in the log |
| 08:40.06 | sander_m | rza: now now, because 5.0.5 is running which causes no errors. Erm, I'm starting to sound complicated. Let me start at the begnning: |
| 08:41.09 | sander_m | I have to fill in for the regular sysadmin here. There are multiple websites on this server. Currently 5.0.5-backport is running. There is one website that doesn't work on 5.0.5 because apparently there is no tokenizer support in it. If I upgrade to 5.2, a different website dies. |
| 08:41.24 | thegve | I have a Debian Sarge xen host running 2 xen guests. I am trying to boot a third, but I can't get another network bridge working. In xen-hotplug.log it states couldn't read path backend/vbd/21/772 (and some more with other numbers), and ioctl: LOOP_CLR_FD: Device or resource busy |
| 08:41.41 | rza | thegve: you have run out of loop devices |
| 08:41.42 | thegve | If I check brctl show , it shows a new VIF interface added to the bridge |
| 08:41.53 | rza | ahmm |
| 08:42.11 | thegve | I guessed that... Can I fix this without a reboot ;) |
| 08:42.24 | rza | i would assume thats the loop count |
| 08:42.28 | rza | but im not really sure |
| 08:42.34 | rza | never had that exact problem |
| 08:43.05 | thegve | If my memory is right, it's something like echo number > /proc/loop/something |
| 08:43.21 | thegve | Just typing this out helped my memory a bit ... I'll have a look |
| 08:44.02 | rza | sander_m: one option would be to run multiple php versions via cgi |
| 08:44.20 | rza | sander_m: and use AddHandler directive in apache to specify which php version handles what |
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| 08:44.30 | SlayerXP | good morning, hash dweebians. |
| 08:44.40 | benderz0r | evening |
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| 08:45.17 | sander_m | rza: Thanks. I'll look into it. What really has me puzzled though is that there is no tokenizer support in the 5.0.5 backport. PHP tokenizer has been default since PHP 4.3.7 or thereabouts. |
| 08:45.18 | rza | thegve: loop max_loop=64 to /etc/modules should work |
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| 08:47.29 | ma3x | is 1 kbit = 1024 bits ? |
| 08:47.51 | thegve | rza: Thans, that would be it, do you know how I can change the setting for a loaded module? |
| 08:48.08 | perlmonkey | hi, does anyone know how to enable toshiba laptop support in the kernel? |
| 08:48.16 | thegve | The 2 running guests are production machines (mail/web server) |
| 08:48.39 | perlmonkey | laptop:/home/paul# toshset --help == required kernel toshiba support not enabled. |
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| 08:48.52 | perlmonkey | how to get kernel support? |
| 08:48.57 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 08:49.13 | cydork | perlmonkey: load the specific modules. |
| 08:49.15 | rza | thegve: sorry, cant remember off hand |
| 08:49.26 | rza | thegve: i got so perversed xen setup here |
| 08:49.30 | perlmonkey | cydork: thanks, any idea how to find out what they are? |
| 08:49.44 | cydork | perlmonkey: nope. check /msg dpkg laptop |
| 08:49.49 | perlmonkey | ok ta |
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| 08:51.01 | wols_ | ma3x: depends who's counting |
| 08:51.16 | ma3x | wols_, your aunt :p |
| 08:51.27 | wols_ | for her, a kilo is 1000 |
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| 08:53.19 | itchi | I not find a great NIS+ipsec howto :-s |
| 08:53.24 | itchi | ma3x: Look on wikipedia |
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| 08:53.35 | itchi | ma3x: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bit |
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| 08:54.23 | perlmonkey | fan: laptop does not have cooling fan or kernel module not installed. :-/ |
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| 08:57.02 | bolt | I'm trying to build this program called SheepShaver. When I run ./configure, it gets to "checking for X... no" and then stops. How can I make it recognize xorg as x? |
| 08:57.31 | Hoxzer | WHyd o you wanna shave sheeps ? |
| 08:57.53 | itchi | bolt: Have you the -dev package installed? |
| 08:58.03 | bolt | itchi: which one? |
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| 08:59.09 | itchi | bolt: xorg-dev |
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| 08:59.19 | itchi | bolt: Look with dpkg -l foo |
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| 09:00.34 | bolt | itchi: nope. didn't have that. installing it.. and 71 other packages |
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| 09:02.43 | doubleukay | does anyone know whether 64-bit kernel works with 32-bit i386 etch userland? |
| 09:02.44 | perlmonkey | my /dev/toshiba is not being created :-/ |
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| 09:03.58 | newbie | hello |
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| 09:05.03 | newbie | i am using debian unstable and started twinkle .. but the default language is german. |
| 09:05.14 | itchi | perlmonkey: I have a toshiba and i'm not able to use that module :-s |
| 09:05.15 | newbie | how can i change the language to englih |
| 09:05.31 | streuner | !tell newbie about sid faq |
| 09:05.37 | streuner | newbie: read that first |
| 09:06.01 | newbie | kopete, amarok are all working in english |
| 09:06.03 | itchi | perlmonkey: I not yet have look that much about it too, i may say |
| 09:06.10 | newbie | !tell newbie about sid faq |
| 09:06.11 | perlmonkey | itchi damn :-/ |
| 09:06.22 | perlmonkey | maybe I can solve it ;-) |
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| 09:06.41 | itchi | perlmonkey: Tell me then once you have fixed it :-p i continue with NIS then :-p |
| 09:06.47 | ribasushi | hi guys |
| 09:06.59 | ribasushi | anyone solved the problem with links not opening from within icedove 2.0? |
| 09:07.14 | ribasushi | what a pile of **** btw, never seen a package with so many bugs at ocne |
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| 09:07.44 | newbie | streuner: yes, i am using sid since three years.. but i dont know why it changed the language to german.. |
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| 09:08.15 | perlmonkey | itchi: ok I am trying now |
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| 09:09.51 | streuner | newbie: http://channel.debian.at/faq/ |
| 09:11.27 | streuner | newbie: apt-get localeconf or simply dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 09:11.28 | streuner | newbie: s/apt-get localeconf/apt-get install localeconf/ |
| 09:11.28 | ma3x | if the final filesize of the encoded video should be 599 867 620 bytes, then how many kbits per second? |
| 09:11.45 | ma3x | oh, and the lenght is 5408 sec |
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| 09:12.30 | wols_ | 599 867 620/5408 |
| 09:12.55 | maestro | streuner: there is no package called localeconf and package locales is already installed |
| 09:13.08 | ma3x | wols_, I asked how many kbits per second? not how many bytes I get |
| 09:13.22 | streuner | maestro: so use the second option? |
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| 09:13.43 | maestro | streuner: in /etc/environment i have 2 lines LANGUAGE="en_GB.ISO-8859-15" LANG=de_DE@euro |
| 09:13.45 | wols_ | ma3x: evreyone uses a different measure. you can only try and see what your tool uses |
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| 09:14.01 | perlmonkey | what's /dev/.static for, drivers that are not in use? |
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| 09:14.43 | ribasushi | perlmonkey: this is what /dev/ looked like before udev started and replaced it |
| 09:14.47 | streuner | maestro: /etc/environment is history |
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| 09:15.07 | perlmonkey | oh right |
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| 09:15.10 | streuner | maestro: its used in sarge (oldstable), but not in newer branches now |
| 09:15.17 | maestro | streuner: ah ok.. and now.. i have 2 locales here |
| 09:15.22 | ribasushi | perlmonkey: for instance it has nodes for all md raid devices, which you need in case you are creating a new array and udev does not know about it yet |
| 09:15.56 | perlmonkey | i see |
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| 09:21.23 | perlmonkey | I have a kernel patch for toshiba_apci but don't know what to do with it :-/ |
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| 09:21.58 | perlmonkey | I guess I just need to copy that file somewhere in the kernel modules path? or is it more complicated? |
| 09:22.25 | itchi | perlmonkey: Do you not need to 'patch' the kernel tree? |
| 09:22.43 | itchi | perlmonkey: Do you get the temperature? |
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| 09:23.43 | itchi | perlmonkey: What is that patch about? |
| 09:23.44 | perlmonkey | itchi: I'm looking at Experimental Toshiba Acpi Driver wiki page, and they have released (this month) a new kernel patch for kernels 2.6.17 through to 2.6.21 so a patch maybe needed? |
| 09:24.03 | itchi | perlmonkey: I dunno |
| 09:24.07 | perlmonkey | http://memebeam.org/toys/ExperimentalToshibaAcpiDriver |
| 09:24.17 | itchi | perlmonkey: I have a toshiba too here, i'm on it right now |
| 09:24.25 | perlmonkey | maybe we can fix this eh |
| 09:24.25 | ribasushi | perlmonkey: if it works... you know the rest |
| 09:25.00 | perlmonkey | I had no probs with the toshset etc on my Toshiba Tecra 8100 it worked out of the box, but this 9100 doesnt seem to be supported |
| 09:25.11 | perlmonkey | itchi what model tosh you got running there? |
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| 09:25.37 | itchi | perlmonkey: Satellite A110-178 |
| 09:25.54 | perlmonkey | that sounds quite newer model |
| 09:26.03 | perlmonkey | is it? |
| 09:26.15 | itchi | perlmonkey: I have it around 4|5 months now |
| 09:26.23 | perlmonkey | phew |
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| 09:26.43 | itchi | perlmonkey: 2de motherboard btw |
| 09:26.47 | perlmonkey | I couldn't find any experiences of debian on 9100 tecras which didnt inspire me with confidence I must say |
| 09:27.22 | itchi | perlmonkey: These have die after 3 months, and believe it, i not did somethings wrong with it. I guess that i had sad chances :-( |
| 09:27.39 | perlmonkey | I have an annoying low whine on my cpu fan in this 9100 im desparate to get it turned off :P |
| 09:28.08 | perlmonkey | its driving me nuts |
| 09:28.29 | itchi | perlmonkey: Make it noise? |
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| 09:28.35 | perlmonkey | yeah constantly on |
| 09:28.40 | perlmonkey | its not even hot either |
| 09:29.11 | itchi | perlmonkey: That's a irq conflict or somethings like that. I had heard someone about that to, on another brand |
| 09:29.18 | perlmonkey | i set the laptop to battery power mode in the apci settings in bios but it hasnt made any difference |
| 09:29.27 | perlmonkey | oh |
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| 09:29.47 | itchi | perlmonkey: You need to give a special boot param |
| 09:29.53 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 09:30.58 | sarathms | I get this problem every time i use apt http://pastebin.ca/509107 Is it some bug in apt? |
| 09:31.06 | itchi | perlmonkey: I no more remember :-( Maybe look in the docs http://www.gelato.unsw.edu.au/lxr/source/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt?a=i386 |
| 09:31.13 | itchi | perlmonkey: I'm looking alos |
| 09:31.32 | perlmonkey | thanks |
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| 09:32.40 | perlmonkey | phew so many options |
| 09:32.51 | itchi | perlmonkey: Yeah! |
| 09:33.21 | itchi | perlmonkey: I no more remember what the fix was. Someone here complained about the same trouble some time back. I followed a little bit |
| 09:33.38 | perlmonkey | my apci seems to be working ok in boot up according to dmesg |
| 09:33.45 | perlmonkey | no probs reported |
| 09:34.38 | perlmonkey | I think recompiling the toshiba acpi kernel module with the new patch is worth trying |
| 09:34.43 | ma3x | how do I rip the subtitles from DVD? |
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| 09:36.42 | BACbKA | i've installed an ibm/lenovo x60s laptop with etch, default setup all the way, tasks: base, laptop, desktop. It came up mostly gnome, and brought a lot of daemons with it. I have problem with sound, but other people reported sound working out of the box on same hardware, so before filing bugs I need someone to spank me if I miss smth obvious: alsamixer works; but using it doesn't. Direct playing of a sound with mplayer -ao alsa gives: alsa-lib: pcm_direct. |
| 09:37.24 | itchi | perlmonkey: Yeah maybe |
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| 09:39.20 | itchi | BACbKA: As root user, run alsaconf |
| 09:39.39 | itchi | BACbKA: See /msg dpkg alsa |
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| 09:40.39 | dexomsrc | OT: I'm looking for a good pair of wireless headphones with a small enough receiver to travel around with an iPod (or similar portable media device with a 3.55mm headphone jack). Anyone know of any explicitely? |
| 09:40.49 | itchi | perlmonkey: I think it is irqpoll but i'm realy not sure. It's to far away |
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| 09:42.08 | BACbKA | itchi: i am reading the wiki now; as for the checklist, I did that already. No esound/arts running, I am in audio group, and as I said in my orig msg, alsaconf DOES help BUT ONLY until the reboot |
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| 09:42.49 | itchi | BACbKA: Does your modules been load at boot time and is the sound been unmuted? |
| 09:43.07 | BACbKA | itchi: yeah, otherwise I wouldn't see it in alsamixer would i |
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| 09:44.45 | itchi | BACbKA: Dunno |
| 09:44.58 | BACbKA | itchi: from the diff of lsmod before and after alsaconf, I see the very same snd* modules, BUT there is an interesting difference: there is no pcmcia module following alsaconf... |
| 09:45.06 | BACbKA | pcmcia_core is still there |
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| 09:45.30 | BACbKA | since at the moment I have no pcmcia cards, I'll now try to modprobe -r pcmcia and see if it helps |
| 09:45.47 | itchi | perlmonkey: Do you have the same trouble if acpi is disabled? |
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| 09:46.28 | BACbKA | ah, and also alsaconf unloads the rtc module |
| 09:46.41 | rdz | hi all. does rsync need to be installed on the local host AND on the remote host? |
| 09:46.55 | BACbKA | rdz: the client must be there |
| 09:47.02 | BACbKA | rdz: servers are not needed |
| 09:47.08 | rdz | BACbKA, thanks a lot |
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| 09:47.46 | BACbKA | rdz: the whole point of rsync is it's a distributed protocol, only diffs are transferred, and are computed distributedly. See tridge's paper on rsync.samba.org |
| 09:47.56 | Fuwex | 'tad rusty - to update my kernel on Debian Etch - can I just run apt-get install kernel, or what do I have to do? |
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| 09:48.07 | BACbKA | (i hope I gave a correct address :) |
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| 09:48.50 | rdz | BACbKA, yeah i know the goal of it... unfortunately, i have acces to a remote computer, but not root access andt here is no rsync client installed. so i need to transfer everythin manually... |
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| 09:49.38 | BACbKA | rdz there is an option afaik in rsync to say how to run the remote rsync. If it's just in your path when you do rsh there (or whatever you do to open the tunnel as spec'd by the -e option), it;ll work |
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| 09:50.27 | itchi | Fuwex: You're right, the 'rest' goes automagic |
| 09:50.37 | BACbKA | rdz: if you don't need synchronising large files, but just transfer wholly new stuff, you can use mc + remote shell link, and the "compare directories" command |
| 09:51.00 | Fuwex | itchi, ok - what exactly is the kernel package called though? |
| 09:51.06 | rdz | BACbKA, good idea. thanks a lot |
| 09:51.34 | itchi | Fuwex: 'kernel' where renamed to 'Linux' apt-cache search ^linux |
| 09:51.48 | itchi | Remove that ^ |
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| 09:51.58 | Fuwex | ok, cheers |
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| 09:52.24 | perlmonkey | I think I'm out of my depth with patching kernel modules :-/ |
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| 09:52.36 | BACbKA | argh. modprobe -r rtc pcmcia didn't help |
| 09:52.44 | itchi | Fuwex: Cause installing a kernel, not say that it may a 'Linux' one, it may be another brand of kernel and that was too confusing |
| 09:52.48 | BACbKA | how do I know who is keeping the driver open? |
| 09:52.59 | Fuwex | itchi, I see |
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| 09:53.31 | itchi | BACbKA: lsmod |
| 09:53.36 | Fuwex | itchi, I'm currently running 2.6.18-4-686 - is 2.6.20-1 available through apt-get? |
| 09:53.48 | BACbKA | itchi i mean user-space clients |
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| 09:54.25 | itchi | Fuwex: In unstable, yes |
| 09:54.31 | BACbKA | on a fresh default install of etch, if I don't have esound esd/arts running, who else could be there and hold the sound card?! |
| 09:54.33 | Fuwex | ah, right, I'll just stick to my current one then |
| 09:54.51 | itchi | BACbKA: See, lsof |
| 09:55.13 | Fuwex | itchi, by the way, I seem to have an SMP kernel - however I've only got a centrino processor which isn't dual-core - should I still stick to SMP? (I was under the impression SMP is somewhat better suited for dual-core?) |
| 09:55.15 | BACbKA | itchi yeah I am reading its man but I don't remember exactly how to find it quickly |
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| 09:56.07 | itchi | BACbKA: me neither :-) |
| 09:56.33 | itchi | BACbKA: But i not understand why you go that way |
| 09:56.41 | BACbKA | itchi what would you do? |
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| 09:57.01 | BACbKA | itchi: btw lsof|grep snd gives nothing |
| 09:57.06 | itchi | BACbKA: The right modules are been loaded at boot? |
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| 09:57.27 | ijk | Can anyone please give my pointers to the solution? My wireless network isn't working. My dmesg | grep ipw2200 gives this output: http://pastebin.ca/509151 |
| 09:57.30 | itchi | BACbKA: You need to specify a path |
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| 09:57.52 | itchi | ijk: Install the firmware |
| 09:58.11 | BACbKA | itchi: hold on a second. I don't know if it's at boot, but right now they ARE loaded. Are you saying they may have been loaded TOO LATE? but then how comes alsaconf (that unloads them altogether and reloads) manages it then not at boot time? smth is fishy |
| 09:58.36 | itchi | BACbKA: Not especially, but loaded is important |
| 09:59.16 | ijk | So it's missing the firmware; thought it was included in the kernel (pretty common network device, intel 2200bg) |
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| 09:59.58 | itchi | BACbKA: I think you have a volume trouble |
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| 10:00.22 | BACbKA | itchi volume trouble doesn't cause errors: alsa-lib: pcm_direct.c:867:(snd_pcm_direct_initialize_slave) snd_pcm_hw_params_any failed |
| 10:00.23 | jaaroo | hello there. Does anynone know where can I find some documentation regarding busybox? It seems that official documentation is very "non-informational" at least I can't find out what is expected to be in httpd.conf for busybox httpd server. |
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| 10:01.06 | itchi | ijk: Yeah, so to see, there's no firmware available. For the ipw3945 i need to install that firware package. I dunno how it goes with the 2200 |
| 10:01.07 | BACbKA | itchi this is my 10th box with alsa or so and I know my alsactl and alsamixer to unmute stuff! |
| 10:01.54 | BACbKA | hold on.... volume? volume? maybe it's some thinkpad shit loaded trying to listen to the volume hardware buttons? |
| 10:01.55 | itchi | BACbKA: I dunno what the problem is then, setting up sound is kinda easy like you know |
| 10:02.01 | BACbKA | itchi :( |
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| 10:04.11 | BACbKA | itchi: seems a known issue http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=279241 |
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| 10:04.33 | BACbKA | itchi: I said the modules are loaded, but I didn't say they're loaded in the right order :) |
| 10:04.50 | BACbKA | itchi: I'll see if manually loading them in that order works |
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| 10:04.57 | Fuwex | How come I don't have 'killall' - only 'killall5'? |
| 10:05.02 | Fuwex | and is there any difference? |
| 10:05.13 | Fuwex | (etch) |
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| 10:05.32 | simonrvn | !tell root__ -about root |
| 10:05.34 | BACbKA | fuwex: it's to kill in quintuplets :) |
| 10:06.00 | simonrvn | BACbKA: order them in /etc/modules |
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| 10:06.27 | BACbKA | simonrvn: i'll probably rather add a precedence rule into modutils conf d |
| 10:06.33 | Fuwex | BACbKA, hmm, ok |
| 10:06.43 | BACbKA | fuwex: just kidding |
| 10:06.45 | itchi | Fuwex: These is in psmisc |
| 10:06.46 | bonez41 | I get this error....> Subject: Cron <mail@zugraum> if [ -x /usr/sbin/exim -a -f /etc/exim/exim.conf |
| 10:06.52 | simonrvn | whatever suits you ;) |
| 10:06.52 | Fuwex | itchi, ok, cheers |
| 10:07.03 | bonez41 | I also see this show up in my system email > Subject: Cron <root@zugraum> test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts +--report /etc/cron.daily ) From root@xmission.com Wed May 23 06:28:51 2007 run-parts: /etc/cron.daily/exim exited with return code 1 |
| 10:08.18 | simonrvn | yeh, read it to see what went wrong |
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| 10:08.24 | thegve | rza: I changed the max loop devices, did a reboot, the kernel ignored the /etc/modules setting, and uses only 64 loopback devices (dmesg | grep loop). When I do lsof | grep loop, I can only count 5 or so loopback devices in use |
| 10:08.32 | thegve | So that shouldn't be the problem |
| 10:08.55 | thegve | And I have a problem with the Xen network devices (virtual interface) |
| 10:09.36 | itchi | simonrvn: Thanks for the info :-p I not intall it then :-p |
| 10:09.39 | thegve | So I'm not sure if the max_loop setting is important for this, as I don't think these are used |
| 10:09.41 | BACbKA | yes, this ordering works for me |
| 10:09.52 | BACbKA | i'll now proceed to carving it into modutils conf d |
| 10:10.08 | BACbKA | and file a bug along with my installation-report |
| 10:10.11 | simonrvn | the debian one probably has a bunch of fixes, mine's just upstream 2.6.21.1 |
| 10:10.51 | BACbKA | bye |
| 10:10.53 | itchi | simonrvn: I just planned to install it heh |
| 10:11.05 | itchi | simonrvn: A hour ago i meaned |
| 10:11.14 | simonrvn | that's why if it's a multi-NIC box i build stuff as modules, easier to screw around with |
| 10:11.20 | Fuwex | What is the location of the directory of C header files that matches Debian Etch's running kernel? |
| 10:11.27 | simonrvn | the NICs anyway |
| 10:11.49 | simonrvn | thegve: max loop devices? yes |
| 10:12.18 | simonrvn | thegve: set them in kernel append (kernel's command line) |
| 10:12.18 | cydork | Fuwex: dpkg -L linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 10:12.20 | Fuwex | ok, thanks |
| 10:12.31 | thegve | simonrvn: Ok, but I'm not currently out of loopback devices |
| 10:12.46 | thegve | so why should I add more? |
| 10:13.54 | simonrvn | eh? i just meant if you need to add more... i didn't say anything about "you need to add more". you read more into what i said than i meant |
| 10:14.02 | itchi | simonrvn: Since > 2.6.18 my Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8101E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller (rev 01) no more work, someone told me that it was fixed in .19 but it is not yet :-s |
| 10:14.02 | thegve | ok |
| 10:14.08 | thegve | I understand :) |
| 10:14.12 | thegve | interface vif1.0 does not exist! |
| 10:14.12 | thegve | xenstore-read: couldn't read path backend/vbd/1/770/node |
| 10:14.14 | simonrvn | cool :) |
| 10:14.25 | simonrvn | #xen ? |
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| 10:15.22 | itchi | simonrvn: I had even tried a custom build of that .21 some weeks back but not solved too. Weird |
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| 10:15.26 | thegve | Ok, I'll go and ask in #xen .... But I guessed my Debian system has ran out of some virtual interface resources, bit of a grey area |
| 10:15.37 | petemc | is netloop loaded? |
| 10:15.55 | thegve | I have 2 xen guests running |
| 10:16.02 | petemc | oh right |
| 10:16.06 | thegve | When I try and start the 3rd, I get this problem |
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| 10:16.22 | Fuwex | How do I show the current partioning scheme? I need to figure out where I've got the most space of my partitions - I can't remember what I chose when I installed my system |
| 10:16.25 | Fuwex | (Etch) |
| 10:16.38 | thegve | fdisk /dev/(disk) |
| 10:16.41 | Fuwex | cheers |
| 10:16.52 | thegve | then p |
| 10:16.53 | thegve | for print |
| 10:16.59 | Fuwex | ok |
| 10:17.04 | xand | fdisk -l /dev/blah |
| 10:17.21 | thegve | Also possible |
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| 10:17.55 | Fuwex | the one with the highest number of blocks is the one with the most space, right? (Yeah, yeah, I'm a nub and all that) |
| 10:18.11 | thegve | To chow the size/free/blah of all your mounted partitions you just do df -h |
| 10:18.18 | thegve | * show |
| 10:18.24 | Fuwex | ok, thanks |
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| 10:20.14 | rza | thegve: ls -l /dev/loop* |
| 10:20.19 | rza | thegve: how many you see there? |
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| 10:20.42 | thegve | 64 |
| 10:20.44 | bonez42 | thegve: I just installed a new hdd... I have formatted it..but nothing is loaded on it..I want to set it up as bootable...move my system over to it, so I can clean up my existing 60gb hdd...how should I start? |
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| 10:21.33 | itchi | bonez42: First, backup it |
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| 10:22.23 | itchi | bonez42: Then cp the files and you need to reinstall grub in the MBR probably |
| 10:22.29 | bonez42 | itchi: that's why I purchased and installed this second hdd...I have a 60 gb drive,, and installed next to it, this new 400 gb drive |
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| 10:22.53 | bonez42 | do I install grub first? and then cp /boot and all the rest over? |
| 10:23.00 | itchi | bonez42: Burn your important data on a DVD or such |
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| 10:23.37 | thegve | What I sometimes do is boot from a CD (knoppix or something), and dd if=/dev/olddisk of=/dev/newdisk. This moves all the content from your old disk to your new disk, with all the partition sizes the same. You can then add a new partition in your new space. The pro for this is that it is very easy to do, the con is that your old partition will just move and will be as small as they were on your old drive. |
| 10:23.40 | itchi | bonez42: No first cp it, cause Grub need to find the right files in /boot/ |
| 10:24.12 | tarzeau | thegve: and if you add bs=1024k it'll be much faster too :) |
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| 10:25.34 | bonez42 | thegve: ok, on the old disk...I have /var and /home and /usr on their own partitions...will the dd if= command move everything over ok to new disk? |
| 10:26.47 | thegve | Yes, but you can't do this if you have this system currently mounted (eg. running) |
| 10:27.01 | wols_ | if if is /dev/sda (or whatever the disk is yes) |
| 10:27.02 | thegve | So you'll need to boot from CD or some other disk or network |
| 10:27.12 | wols_ | you can also remounte it all ro and your can leave it running |
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| 10:27.25 | wols_ | is the new disk exact same size as old btw? |
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| 10:27.30 | thegve | wols_: ah, true, of course |
| 10:27.51 | thegve | mount -o remount all your mounted partitions |
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| 10:27.57 | sonmez | hi everyone, how can i change my teletype's keymap, so, i can type Turkish letters.. |
| 10:28.06 | tarzeau | sonmez: console or x? |
| 10:28.09 | bonez42 | wols_: new disk is 8 times the capacity.. |
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| 10:28.19 | tarzeau | sonmez: loadkeys tr or setxkbmap tr |
| 10:28.25 | wols_ | bonez42: then you new to resize partitions |
| 10:28.25 | sonmez | tarzeau: console |
| 10:28.33 | wols_ | !keymap |
| 10:28.33 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx |
| 10:28.39 | thegve | wols_: Just explained that ;) |
| 10:28.46 | tarzeau | wols_: it's missing loadkyes |
| 10:28.49 | sonmez | thanks... |
| 10:28.56 | thegve | It's easy to do, but the resize or adding new partition is the con |
| 10:28.59 | tarzeau | sonmez: oh and there's #debian.tr |
| 10:29.04 | wols_ | tarzeau: console-data does it system wide, no? |
| 10:29.36 | tarzeau | wols_: no but console, not sure if someone with only user rights can do so? |
| 10:29.37 | bonez42 | wols_: new to, or need to resize partitions? |
| 10:30.04 | wols_ | tarzeau: of course not, you're right |
| 10:30.15 | wols_ | *need |
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| 10:32.16 | crm__ | hi hi |
| 10:32.36 | crm__ | what build should i point my source.lst to? |
| 10:32.48 | crm__ | hrm |
| 10:32.49 | tarzeau | build? |
| 10:32.56 | tarzeau | you mean stable? |
| 10:32.59 | crm__ | etch.. lenny? |
| 10:33.03 | tarzeau | crm__: etch |
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| 10:33.10 | crm__ | ta |
| 10:33.10 | tarzeau | crm__: and it's sources.list |
| 10:33.21 | crm__ | ta |
| 10:33.28 | tarzeau | ta |
| 10:33.31 | tarzeau | !ta |
| 10:33.32 | dpkg | methinks ta is an abbreviation for thomas_adam, or antipodean slang for "thank you". Total Annihilation(Best RTS *evar*). Teaching Assistant |
| 10:34.02 | crm__ | lol |
| 10:34.07 | crm__ | Thank you sir |
| 10:34.18 | tarzeau | i just didn't know what ta was |
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| 10:35.28 | zophy | ta ta, means goodbye |
| 10:36.07 | zophy | dpkg is so dumb |
| 10:36.13 | perlmonkey | itchi: i got acpi features working without patching, the acpitool command line utility seems to work fine for me |
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| 10:49.14 | Fuwex | how do I return how much memory my system has? |
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| 10:50.44 | toicontento | cat /proc/meminfo |
| 10:51.24 | thegve | or free -m |
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| 11:14.19 | ebbs | hi we've got a debian sarge server, and every time I'm using apt, I get a memory access error. Is there a way to rebuild the apt database? |
| 11:15.19 | ebbs | Or any other way to solve the problem? |
| 11:15.33 | azeem | ebbs: how much free ram do you have? (run "free") |
| 11:15.38 | alfadir | hi, want to repartition my usbstick, but sfdisk sais that there is an inconsistency. print the kernel's idea of the geometry = 1015 cylinders, 32 heads, 62 sectors and print geometry guessed from the partition table = 125 cylinders, 255 heads, 63 sectors |
| 11:15.54 | alfadir | cfdisk don't want to start.. |
| 11:16.13 | alfadir | cfdisk - FATAL ERROR: Bad primary partition 0: Partition ends in the final partial cylinder |
| 11:16.20 | Kevin` | alfadir I suggest you wipe the table and recreate it |
| 11:17.03 | ebbs | azeem, only am testing the server and Ive only got 512Mb RAM in it. The memory is full. |
| 11:17.22 | Kevin` | ebbs look at the second line, which accounts for cache usage |
| 11:17.26 | alfadir | Kevin`: yes, but can i find out the propper c/h/s values? |
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| 11:17.50 | ebbs | cache used/free half/half |
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| 11:17.52 | Kevin` | alfadir cfdisk will recreate them after you run it with a blank table |
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| 11:18.04 | alfadir | Kevin`: read some webpages about for example boot problems if you pick the wrong one.. |
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| 11:18.22 | Kevin` | you won't need to select the numbers manually |
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| 11:18.30 | alfadir | Kevin`: sure, still i was interested in understanding the background.. |
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| 11:18.57 | Kevin` | background: chs is a mistake. logical addressing makes more sense for anything |
| 11:19.54 | alfadir | hehe, yes. was just interesting if there were somewhere to read more about this. that chs does not map to a chip is clear |
| 11:20.02 | ebbs | I already tried to reinstall apt manually, but it didnt work... |
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| 11:21.11 | azeem | ebbs: why did it not work? |
| 11:21.58 | ebbs | I dont know, I just wanted to run synaptic, and it didnt work, so I ran apt-get ... same. |
| 11:22.08 | Kevin` | does apt-get update work? |
| 11:22.52 | ebbs | it downloads and at the end, when its doing the Reading database.... , the error occurs. |
| 11:23.50 | Eulex | ebbs, define 'memory access error'. what error, exactly, are you getting? |
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| 11:24.30 | ebbs | Only Speicherzugriffsfehler, translated Memory Access Error... |
| 11:24.59 | ebbs | only one line... |
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| 11:25.40 | Eulex | that'd be 'Segmentation fault' in english |
| 11:25.48 | Eulex | and has nothing to do with your memory being full |
| 11:26.11 | Eulex | it might be caused by broken ram, though |
| 11:26.13 | ebbs | maybe, I didnt know this, thx |
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| 11:26.37 | kozy | hello everybody, I'm trying to install XP, it hangs at 'Windows is starting up', now I've read Icould press F5 when it says I can |
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| 11:26.40 | Kevin` | ebbs it's worth running memtest86+, but memory errors are usually random |
| 11:26.41 | Eulex | ebbs, but I'd suggest running apt-get update in gdb and looking at the backtrace of the crash |
| 11:27.00 | kozy | sorry |
| 11:27.25 | Fuwex | I'm going to transfer 27,3 GB of files to my server - normally I use SFTP for transferring files but if I do this through SFTP it'll take roughly 6 hours so it's not an option - what else can I do? |
| 11:27.28 | ebbs | k, ll trya it |
| 11:27.31 | hark | ebbs: try removing /var/cache/apt/*.bin and run the update again |
| 11:27.36 | ebbs | k |
| 11:27.40 | ebbs | thx to you all |
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| 11:29.22 | kozy | I ment, I'm using the xen package in stable to install windows xp. I connect to my server using ssh -Y from a powerbook. Now it hangs at 'Windows is starting up' I've rad I need to press F5 when it asks to press F6, but whatever I press, there is no response. Any ideas? Maybe XP expects another keycode? How could I check? |
| 11:29.32 | ebbs | hark, it worked, removing the .bin in /var/cache/apt solved my problem... thx |
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| 11:31.07 | kozy | I thought I could use showkeys but that does not see any keypress |
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| 11:31.40 | Eulex | kozy, #xen? |
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| 11:33.21 | kozy | Eulex, they don't know, I thought I'd try it here, my question is how I could check keycodes my keyboard sends, maybe standard debian question? |
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| 11:33.27 | Fuwex | how do I configure nfs sharing? |
| 11:33.52 | Eulex | kozy, xev inside X, don't remember how to do that outside X |
| 11:34.14 | jelly-home | kozy: showkeys works for console only |
| 11:34.37 | mike1o | how do I mount an iso image as non-root? |
| 11:35.23 | Trewas | Fuwex: sftp can be made a bit faster by changing the cipher to some faster one like blowfish, and by disabling compression (though it is not used by default, so probably already off)... any >1GHz computer should get 100mbit network fully utilized |
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| 11:35.59 | Fuwex | Trewas, sounds interesting - how do I go about doing that? |
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| 11:36.53 | vlt | Hello. Can I redirect print jobs coming to one printer to another one on the same Debian/CUPS system easily? |
| 11:37.01 | kozy | mm, keycode 104 (keysym 0xffc2, F5), appears to be ok I guess |
| 11:37.07 | benderz0r | what is the newest kernel I can move to for sid - I need the headers and gcc correctly up to date - am I stuck with 18-4 or can I jump to 20 or 21? (I really need a feature added in 19) |
| 11:37.18 | kozy | tnx everybody |
| 11:37.37 | benderz0r | vit set the other one as default? |
| 11:37.39 | Trewas | Fuwex: with ssh/scp with -c flag (-c blowfish etc), but maybe sftp has some other flags for that |
| 11:38.26 | jelly-home | Fuwex, Trewas: also, .ssh/config (man ssh_config) |
| 11:38.41 | Fuwex | ok, thanks |
| 11:38.42 | mike1o | any1? |
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| 11:39.11 | sep | benderz0r, http://packages.debian.org |
| 11:39.16 | jelly-home | mike1o: mount is a privileged operation, no way to do it AFAIK |
| 11:39.19 | rabid | <benderz0r>There are packages for 2.6.21 |
| 11:39.50 | benderz0r | rabid and sep thanks; last time I tried to jump to 20 gcc was still lagging behind and I wasted a ton of time :P |
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| 11:41.52 | wols_ | mike1o: you cannot if you are non-root you need to have an entry for it in /etc/fstab for it and the options must contain "user" |
| 11:42.12 | Fuwex | I assume I need to restart sshd after having changed the cipher to blowfish? |
| 11:42.20 | mike1o | ok tnx wols_ & jelly-home |
| 11:42.44 | wols_ | Fuwex: yes |
| 11:42.49 | Fuwex | right |
| 11:42.58 | Fuwex | can I do that without dropping my current SSH connection to the server? |
| 11:43.13 | Fuwex | (each connection is a child process, isn't it?) |
| 11:43.42 | jelly-home | Fuwex: yes, current connections won't be killed |
| 11:43.45 | Fuwex | ok |
| 11:44.06 | Fuwex | ehm, do I just kill the process and start it up again or should I call a command? |
| 11:44.16 | jelly-home | usually you can set the cipher on client-side setup, no need to restart sshd |
| 11:44.28 | Fuwex | oh |
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| 11:47.24 | Techdeck` | hey guys, does anyone know why does my line get shorter when I set the PS1 to \e]2;PRODUCTION - \h - \w\a\[\e[1;31mPRODUCTION\e[0m\]:\h:\w:\$, by shorter I mean, I can type less characters until it starts running over the line I typed .. any ideas? |
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| 11:49.07 | msn | it has more characters then your original prompt? |
| 11:49.40 | Techdeck` | not sure |
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| 11:53.07 | HostilePenguin | whats the off topic room name? |
| 11:53.27 | wols_ | !ot |
| 11:53.27 | dpkg | #debian-offtopic is not a place where nolife from #debian can come at will and feel at home. find another place ffs |
| 11:54.17 | HostilePenguin | thank you thank you |
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| 11:59.26 | ma3x | how do I include the subtitles when encoding from DVD to avi? |
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| 12:05.59 | vlt | ma3x: There's an option for including subtitles in dvd::rip, for example. |
| 12:06.21 | ma3x | vlt, is it possible to just get the subtitles in a text file? |
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| 12:08.19 | vlt | ma3x: I don't know how subtitles are stored in the vob files (text or pixels) ... |
| 12:08.35 | ma3x | I don't know either |
| 12:09.37 | Trewas | they are stored as images, so getting them as text is not that easy and requires some ocr program |
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| 12:19.48 | roland_ | hi |
| 12:20.06 | roland_ | why is debian rock solid and proven, but ubuntu is unstable so many times(ie software is not solid) |
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| 12:20.17 | roland_ | and crashes are common |
| 12:20.34 | roland_ | or just annoying bugs |
| 12:20.38 | |DuReX| | could somebody tell me how i can compile eggdrop on debian amd64 ? i get a lot of errors when i try to compile it |
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| 12:21.30 | xand | roland_: ask #ubuntu :P |
| 12:21.50 | roland_ | ubuntu is just a bit more stable than windows xp |
| 12:22.05 | roland_ | but far from the superiorur quality debian |
| 12:22.08 | zamuro | hahahahahahahahaha |
| 12:22.14 | x_link | hrhr |
| 12:22.27 | x_link | Windows XP |
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| 12:22.32 | zamuro | Everything is more stable than Windows XP |
| 12:22.34 | roland_ | its debian dumbed down |
| 12:22.48 | roland_ | hmm |
| 12:22.58 | roland_ | sco unixware is more stable than windows right? |
| 12:23.01 | |DuReX| | somebody ? :s |
| 12:23.12 | zamuro | Well... I guess Ubuntu is made for people who can't install debian since it's too much of a hazzle for them :P |
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| 12:23.29 | NetGangsta | Hi, how can I make my folder unreal to unrealircd.tar.gz ? |
| 12:23.47 | xand | NetGangsta: do you mean "how can I tar and gzip a directory"? |
| 12:23.54 | NetGangsta | yes |
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| 12:24.17 | xand | tar zcvf blah.tar.gz blah |
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| 12:24.50 | pegue | how can i change my screen refresh rate? |
| 12:24.58 | xand | !drxx |
| 12:24.58 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 12:25.12 | pegue | now it's at 75hz, but my screen is 85hz |
| 12:26.22 | pegue | but any 'dynamic' way?, i'm using several screens |
| 12:26.40 | pegue | some are 60hz, and others 85 |
| 12:27.07 | kth`` | Is it possible to restrict aptitude to be executed by root only? with something along the lines of chmod u-? that wouldn't break updates? |
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| 12:28.35 | HostilePenguin | isnt aptitude always root only? |
| 12:28.57 | infester | no, you can search as a user |
| 12:29.14 | HostilePenguin | cant write though so what the point |
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| 12:29.32 | infester | what do you mean cant write? |
| 12:29.41 | infester | can always come in handy to be able to search for something as user |
| 12:29.54 | HostilePenguin | you cant write to disk with aptitude unless your root |
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| 12:32.07 | kth`` | I'm aware you can't install packages as user, it's not the point. It's a bit confusing when I use user account, then switch to root which has different aptitude settings and all recommended packages are gone from the list of to-install packages |
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| 12:33.10 | kth`` | Also when running aptitude as user, then switching to root when it asks to, sometimes does leave recommended packages for some reason, and when running aptitude as root it puts them into to-remove list and you end up with a bunch of changes you don't want to make, go figure |
| 12:33.33 | kth`` | In the end, I don't want the user to run aptitude, that's all |
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| 12:33.46 | kth`` | I'm an idiot, disregard the above |
| 12:33.55 | Kevin` | done |
| 12:34.05 | HostilePenguin | also |
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| 12:35.54 | eisen | kth``: chmod o-x /usr/bin/aptitude |
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| 12:37.48 | spheard | my firefox on kde is really laggy and slow, there is a pause inbetween pressing the key and the input appearing. |
| 12:37.50 | kth`` | Should've used the gray matter before asking >_> |
| 12:37.58 | dak | :/ |
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| 12:40.13 | allix | hi i added compiz --replace --fast-filter to Desktop -> Preferences -> Sessions -> Startup Programs and all i gnome loads then there is just a blue screen default background with the pointer |
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| 12:41.12 | HostilePenguin | did you try #compiz ? |
| 12:41.34 | allix | ok, i try |
| 12:42.00 | |DuReX| | could somebody tell me how i can compile eggdrop on debian amd64 ? i get a lot of errors when i try to compile it :( any id how i can resolve it |
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| 12:47.18 | wols_ | |DuReX|: paste the first error |
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| 12:47.33 | Zmanu | hello |
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| 12:48.17 | Zmanu | i try to install php5-mcrypt under a stable, but when i select in aptitude, it want to remove php5-common and php5-mysql, is someone can help me ? |
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| 12:49.50 | cast | Zmanu: mark php5-common & php5-mysql as *not* automatically installed |
| 12:49.57 | |DuReX| | .././channels.mod/tclchan.c:916: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size |
| 12:50.12 | |DuReX| | .././server.mod/server.c:1344: warning: dereferencing type-punned pointer will break strict-aliasing rules |
| 12:50.13 | |DuReX| | etc |
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| 12:50.49 | Zmanu | cast: how may i do that ? |
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| 12:52.54 | cast | Zmanu: its in the aptitude manauls/help |
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| 12:52.55 | mcbane | hi |
| 12:53.14 | Zmanu | cast: thanks i read |
| 12:53.37 | mcbane | I heard that you can make a package for dpkg from every source that utilizes make for build. Is that true? |
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| 12:53.57 | wols_ | mcbane: pretty much yes |
| 12:54.21 | mcbane | wols_: can you give me a hint, what I have to search for to find the right documentation? |
| 12:54.30 | wols_ | new maintainters guide |
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| 12:54.37 | mcbane | wols_: thank you |
| 12:54.44 | Zmanu | cast: i done, and nothing change i have message that php5-common and mysql must be remove |
| 12:54.48 | wols_ | !tell mcbane about nm |
| 12:55.32 | x_link | Is there anywhere I can read when KDE 3.5.6 will be in Debian Testing? |
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| 12:55.50 | x_link | Somebody here said that it will be in Testing when it has been in Sid for 10 days without any problems. |
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| 12:56.18 | |DuReX| | no id wolfs ? |
| 12:56.18 | |DuReX| | : |
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| 12:57.25 | niksie | Hi all |
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| 12:59.35 | niksie | Hi all |
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| 13:00.03 | niksie | I'm looking for a program that willl probe a drive, so I can tell the /dev/sdb is a USB stick, scsi device or sata disk |
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| 13:01.11 | niksie | or, for instance, what scsi host/channel/id/lun it has |
| 13:01.55 | wols_ | dunker: no idea sinec you didn't paste an error |
| 13:02.05 | wols_ | plus: you know there is no pasting allowed in #debian |
| 13:02.15 | wols_ | |DuReX|: |
| 13:04.53 | |DuReX| | .././server.mod/server.c:1344: warning: dereferencing type-punned pointer will break strict-aliasing rules |
| 13:04.55 | |DuReX| | .././channels.mod/tclchan.c:916: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size |
| 13:05.00 | |DuReX| | these are errors :s |
| 13:05.09 | |DuReX| | prolly some error between 64bit & eggdrop :s |
| 13:06.43 | abrotman | isn't there an eggdrop package ? |
| 13:07.12 | |DuReX| | but i need to compile eggdrop with ssl patch :( |
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| 13:08.26 | pzn | I have 40 files of 2GB... hda2-image.aa, hda2-image.ab, hda2-image.ac ... how to mount this HD image that is split into several files? any hint? |
| 13:08.39 | xand | join them c.c |
| 13:08.54 | Kevin` | pzn you might be able to get the raid code to handle them, but why not just put them back together? |
| 13:09.27 | pzn | xand, Kevin`: I dont't have 80GB available to join them in my HD... |
| 13:09.36 | Kevin` | :( |
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| 13:10.20 | pzn | Kevin`: using raid0 was a nice hint! I'll try! |
| 13:10.25 | Kevin` | not raid0 |
| 13:10.29 | Kevin` | raid0 is striping |
| 13:10.47 | Kevin` | use "jbod" raid |
| 13:10.48 | Kevin` | and try to use it read only if you can |
| 13:11.07 | pzn | Kevin`: ok, thanks! |
| 13:11.30 | Kevin` | i'm not sure if it will work trivially for this, but it's worth at try |
| 13:11.35 | neocon | hello guys, I tried to boot my debian box this morning and instead of succeeding I got an error message "the superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2 filesystem" while trying to fsck /dev/hdb5. The thing is that my filesystem is ext3 and not ext2. What could be wrong ? |
| 13:11.50 | pzn | Kevin`: I need to buy a newer and biger HD ASAP :-) |
| 13:11.59 | Kevin` | yes, you do |
| 13:12.00 | Kevin` | so do we all |
| 13:12.12 | cast | Heston__: ext3 is ext2. ext3 just has a journal, you can mount/treat it as ext2 for most things |
| 13:12.45 | Kevin` | neocon any idea what could have happened? that's a rather serious error. anyway, try to get e2fsck to use a backup superblock |
| 13:12.54 | Kevin` | man e2fsck |
| 13:13.09 | neocon | I tried e2fsck |
| 13:13.21 | neocon | but I do not want to attempt anything that might destroy my data |
| 13:13.25 | neocon | is it safe ? |
| 13:13.39 | Kevin` | probably. if you feel paranoid back up the hard drive |
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| 13:13.49 | neocon | I can't |
| 13:13.52 | neocon | I mounted /usr |
| 13:14.10 | neocon | and it is in /dev/hdb5 |
| 13:14.18 | Kevin` | and? |
| 13:14.19 | neocon | and I can access that one |
| 13:14.21 | neocon | can't |
| 13:14.24 | mihk | wich firewall (name it) is better to install in etch (from self dvd iso) ?? |
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| 13:14.42 | neocon | I can't mount it actually |
| 13:14.46 | Kevin` | mihk I recommend using iptables-save and iptables-restore to manage your firewall |
| 13:15.04 | Kevin` | neocon check if the partition table is correct on the drive |
| 13:15.09 | neocon | hiw ? |
| 13:15.11 | neocon | how* |
| 13:15.20 | mihk | I decided 2 days ago to install shorewall, is it good ? |
| 13:15.21 | Kevin` | look at fdisk -l or similar and see if it's what you remember it to be |
| 13:15.36 | militant | mornin pals. any idea why kopete and gaim both refuse to sign onto aim (but other services are fine)? the account works from windows. says connection refused, in kopete. |
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| 13:15.47 | militant | i can't find anything on google. it just quit working last night |
| 13:16.00 | neocon | aw yea I did that |
| 13:16.00 | Kevin` | mihk in linux most firewall programs are frontends for managing the netfilter rules. the BEST way to do it is to configure them yourself, as you have the most control |
| 13:16.16 | neocon | it looks fine |
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| 13:16.51 | Kevin` | mihk if shorewall does what you want and you like it, use it. I haven't used it to tell you |
| 13:17.03 | wols_ | Kevin`: all are netfilter frontends. cause there is no other implementation of a firewall |
| 13:17.12 | mihk | ok that's fine to me, |
| 13:17.31 | cast | Kevin`: writing your own firewall rules is a bit more risky than using, say, shorewall imho |
| 13:17.48 | cast | not that we need firewalls :) |
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| 13:19.53 | mihk | serching for 'firewall' in synaptic (i guess) I got many results. I know from mandriva 'shorewall' and I thought it is good. |
| 13:20.23 | cast | i like shorewall. firehol is a whole lot more simpler |
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| 13:20.42 | samigarus | what about firestarter? |
| 13:20.55 | mihk | otherwise in mandriva it has a GUI and in etch it hasn't one, or I haven't found it yet. |
| 13:20.56 | martiancode | guys problems starting dbdesigner4 under gnome ? |
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| 13:26.45 | martiancode | got absolutely nothing when i tried to run it using ./startdbd not even an error message |
| 13:27.30 | tarzeau | abrotman: that was for you http://lolcat.com/pics/cookieeatedit.jpg |
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| 13:30.24 | ozonik | alooo |
| 13:30.26 | martiancode | thanks in advance, unfortunately have to run for now |
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| 13:38.47 | niksie | is there a way to associate the host number from libata with a device? |
| 13:38.58 | niksie | as in, figure out which device is which host number? |
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| 13:40.23 | spheard | http://merkel.debian.org/~jurij/ - I think there is an error on this page, Im looking for the kernel confg for 2.6.18-8, but when I follow the sparc link it takes me to 2.6.18-3 configs. am I being dumb? |
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| 13:41.15 | tourt | towel day!!! |
| 13:41.18 | tourt | :-) |
| 13:41.23 | sn0 | happy towel day :) |
| 13:41.50 | spheard | what! |
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| 13:42.34 | cydork | spheard: hitchhiker's guide to galaxy lovers :P |
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| 13:43.05 | tourt | spheard: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Towel_day |
| 13:43.11 | Rebecca | hey, im trying to get sound working on my computer. it's a CLI box running testing and has an AC97 chip |
| 13:43.13 | cydork | spheard: and you are right about the link too. |
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| 13:43.38 | Rebecca | i get "No default libao driver available." when i try to use irt |
| 13:43.41 | Rebecca | it |
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| 13:44.29 | spheard | cydork: where can I find kernel configs then? Ill mail the maintainer and let them know. |
| 13:44.29 | cydork | Rebecca: /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
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| 13:44.49 | spungles | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:45.20 | cydork | spheard: i think there is some error on that check http://merkel.debian.org/~jurij/2.6.18-8/i386/ they all point to 2.6.18-3 |
| 13:45.44 | wols_ | spungles: is there a 2,.6.18-8 line? |
| 13:45.47 | Rebecca | i installed mpg321 and figured that would install sound stuff due to deps |
| 13:45.52 | wols_ | erm, a kernel of that vresion rather |
| 13:46.30 | wols_ | the latest .18 kernel is -4 for debian everywhere |
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| 13:48.18 | yang | I did fdformat /dev/fd0, and my /etc/fstab file shows /dev/fd0 /media/floppy0 auto rw,user,noauto 0 0 - but i cannot mount floppy...wrong fs type error |
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| 13:48.19 | grim76 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Towel_day |
| 13:48.25 | grim76 | doh wrong window |
| 13:48.38 | spheard | cydork: yeh, its all a bit messed up. just dropping them an email |
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| 13:52.29 | abrotman | tarzeau: you need a girlfriend |
| 13:52.44 | CartoonCat | can anyone tell me wy cp -cv does not seam to work right, it keeps coping all the files (even if ran twice in a row) |
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| 13:54.06 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
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| 13:54.29 | cydork | spheard: hmm i think that wols is right, check http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/linux-2.6/news/20061210T184728Z.html |
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| 13:58.28 | cwebber | how are services managed in debian... is there a system to it or just move arround the sym links in the rc directories? |
| 13:58.50 | cydork | cwebber: man update-rc.d also check rcconf |
| 13:59.12 | Rebecca | thanks guys. alsa got what i needed working :) |
| 13:59.14 | cwebber | cydork: thanx |
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| 14:12.06 | spheard | Whats the differance between debain and mainstream kernels? |
| 14:12.53 | rahul | !kernel of instability |
| 14:12.54 | dpkg | Linux 2.6. "Andrew's vision, as expressed at the summit, is that the mainline kernel will be the fastest and most feature-rich kernel around, but not, necessarily, the most stable. Final stabilization is to be done by distributors (as happens now, really)..." <http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3513>, or http://kerneltrap.org/node/4793 (new 2.6 numbering scheme - proposal) |
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| 14:14.51 | abrotman | spheard: there's a changelog available |
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| 14:19.48 | tarzeau | abrotman: no! |
| 14:20.18 | pzn | I have 20G in files that I want to record to DVDs (without compression/tar/gz). Which is a easy way to separate the files in 6 directories of around 4GB each? |
| 14:20.22 | HNT | Hello everybody, I would like to know if there is any possiblity to switch the running kernel without rebooting |
| 14:20.37 | HNT | is there any special mechanism made in this way ? |
| 14:20.49 | abrotman | ask #kernel |
| 14:21.04 | HNT | abrotman : yes you're right |
| 14:21.05 | tarzeau | HNT: kexec |
| 14:21.14 | HNT | tarzeau : thx |
| 14:21.14 | tarzeau | HNT: you're kernel needs support for it though |
| 14:21.29 | tarzeau | HNT: kexec-tools - kexec tool |
| 14:21.32 | HNT | tarzeau : both one or just the new one ? |
| 14:21.49 | tarzeau | HNT: what says grep KEXEC /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 14:22.02 | tarzeau | HNT: the kernel needs to be configured to support KEXEC, then you need a tool to invoke it |
| 14:22.31 | HNT | kexec is not set |
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| 14:23.43 | tarzeau | HNT: have fun with make-kpkg (from kernel-package :) |
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| 14:24.15 | tarzeau | HNT: my kernel has it :) |
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| 14:24.39 | l3mr | how can i get cat to accept the piped input as filename to open ? or is there a tool that does that? e.g. ls | cat so that it prints the content of the files instead of filenames |
| 14:24.54 | HNT | tarzeau : in fact, I didn't want to break my uptime on my gateway |
| 14:25.02 | tarzeau | l3mr: open `your cat` ? |
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| 14:25.09 | petemc | l3mr: xargs |
| 14:25.33 | tarzeau | HNT: set an alias for uptime='echo whatever you want it to display' |
| 14:26.06 | HNT | tarzeau : lol, it's a little bit cheating |
| 14:26.47 | HNT | tarzeau : maybe manualling inserting kexec as a module with modprobe will work, I will try ... |
| 14:27.13 | l3mr | thanks guys! |
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| 14:27.21 | spheard | abrotman, rahul. thanks. |
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| 14:27.58 | tarzeau | HNT: you can only have it in the kernel or not |
| 14:28.03 | tarzeau | HNT: not as a module afaik |
| 14:28.24 | HNT | tarzeau : so, it will be for next time |
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| 14:31.28 | rza | what would be the best place to hunt package maintainers or should i just harrass via mail? |
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| 14:32.36 | Fuwex | How do I return my system's CPU/memory etc. usage? |
| 14:32.54 | petemc | Fuwex: cat /proc/cpuinfo , free , df -h |
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| 14:33.01 | Fuwex | ok, thanks |
| 14:33.08 | rza | top if you need something interactive |
| 14:33.23 | Fuwex | alright |
| 14:33.42 | tarzeau | rza: who? which package? |
| 14:33.52 | spheard | has anyone ever done network compiling? |
| 14:33.55 | rza | let me check the name |
| 14:33.58 | tarzeau | rza: best to harass them friendly with BTS |
| 14:34.10 | tarzeau | spheard: compile on a networked filesystem? |
| 14:34.16 | tarzeau | spheard: or distributed? |
| 14:34.23 | rza | imagemagick / daniel kobras |
| 14:34.27 | abrotman | rza: is it about a a bug? |
| 14:34.32 | rza | not about bug |
| 14:34.41 | abrotman | you want to buy him beer? |
| 14:35.05 | rza | trying to get his plans on upgrades |
| 14:35.06 | spheard | tarzeau: I have 3 computers running idle. can I use them to help compile a kernel? |
| 14:35.11 | rza | 6.2.4 is kinda ancient |
| 14:35.17 | abrotman | ah .. |
| 14:35.17 | tarzeau | spheard: maybe with distcc, dunno |
| 14:35.26 | abrotman | rza: i'm sure there are bugs filed already about it .. ahve you checked ? |
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| 14:35.38 | rza | abrotman: like i said, not a bug exactly |
| 14:35.41 | tarzeau | rza: and he doesn't upgrade them? not even in sid? |
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| 14:35.50 | rza | not even in sid |
| 14:35.53 | cydork | spheard: distcc can do that. |
| 14:35.54 | abrotman | rza: it is somemthing you can file a wishlist bug about |
| 14:35.54 | rza | hes relatively new maintainer |
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| 14:36.21 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=382835 |
| 14:36.24 | abrotman | for example |
| 14:36.30 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=339776 |
| 14:36.44 | spheard | cydork: cheers |
| 14:36.48 | rza | http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/i/imagemagick/imagemagick_6.2.4.5.dfsg1-1/changelog |
| 14:36.56 | rza | seems like 6.2.4 was added back in 2005 |
| 14:37.09 | tarzeau | rza: wow true, there's 6.3.4-2 already, did you try it? |
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| 14:37.27 | rza | tarzeau: im the lead developer of php-imagick so yes :) |
| 14:37.46 | rza | there was debian bug opened against php-imagick 2.0.0-alpha |
| 14:37.53 | tarzeau | rza: i also want libogre-dev 1.4.1 instead of the stoneage 1.0.6 |
| 14:37.57 | rza | just trying to figure out a correct path to fix the issues |
| 14:38.15 | tarzeau | rza: bts with wishlist bug report |
| 14:38.26 | tarzeau | rza: raise if your other packages don't work because it's not upgraded |
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| 14:38.41 | rza | im not the debian maintainer :) |
| 14:38.47 | edwin_quijada | Hi! |
| 14:38.55 | tarzeau | rza: anyone can file bugreports |
| 14:38.57 | rza | and the package basically works, just might cause segfaults with 64bit systems |
| 14:39.16 | rza | im fully aware of that |
| 14:39.30 | tarzeau | rza: something like this if there's nothing like it already: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=423331 |
| 14:39.32 | rza | i just prefer "discussion" -style approach |
| 14:39.36 | tarzeau | rza: ask them for experimental packages? |
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| 14:39.54 | tarzeau | rza: or even build your own, if you can :) i do that too |
| 14:39.58 | spheard | cydork: I wonder if it will work over the internet |
| 14:40.01 | tarzeau | rza: just to test things you know |
| 14:40.14 | rza | im installing 64bit system as we speak |
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| 14:40.20 | rza | didnt have any boxes with amd64 |
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| 14:40.34 | rza | so the bug kinda slipped in to alpha |
| 14:40.42 | rza | but thats why its named "alpha" |
| 14:41.24 | pzn | how to split a diretory structure of 20GB in 6 structures of 4.3GB each? is there a debian package for this? (record DVD) |
| 14:41.33 | cydork | spheard: it should i guess. |
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| 14:41.58 | Coke | Are there any debian packages for firefox (not iceweasel) available in testing? |
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| 14:43.17 | SlayerXP | pzn: tar up the whole lot, then use "split" perhaps. |
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| 14:46.38 | yang | Hm, how much can I fit onto a DVD-ROM medium ? 4.3 or 4.7 Gb ? |
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| 14:47.21 | Trewas | 4.7GB which is about 4.3GiB |
| 14:47.35 | yang | wodim: ERROR: Could not manage to find medium size, and more than 4.3 GB of data for a non dual layer disc. |
| 14:47.47 | cast | 4.3. |
| 14:47.54 | yang | Trewas: so that is 4300 MB...? |
| 14:48.08 | Eclipser | no, it's ~4300MiB |
| 14:48.13 | Eclipser | (over that actually) |
| 14:48.43 | yang | ok, I had 4500MB I guess it won't write it |
| 14:48.51 | allix | how do i remove the nvidia drivers that were installed using debian packages and module assistant? |
| 14:49.04 | allix | because i need a newer driver |
| 14:49.15 | Trewas | 4482MiB, or 4700MB, which is a nice point demonstrating why binary based prefixes should never ever be used for file/media sizes :) |
| 14:49.54 | tarzeau | abrotman: i just tried kexec, and it works :) |
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| 14:50.09 | metbsd | hi all. i just installed 4.0. should i upgrade? |
| 14:50.12 | Eclipser | no, it's a good example why decimal based prefixes should never ever be used :) |
| 14:50.23 | lepton | metbsd: no |
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| 14:50.47 | yang | ok Trewas thanks |
| 14:50.48 | metbsd | etch maybe? |
| 14:51.20 | lepton | !etch |
| 14:51.20 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of debian stable |
| 14:51.48 | Trewas | Eclipser: so you think that 4.7 billion bytes being 4589843kiB == 4482MiB == 4.377GiB is logical? :) |
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| 14:52.02 | metbsd | so 4.0 is already etch |
| 14:52.03 | Dark_Apostrophe | Are there any decent Debian Testing packages for AMD64 of init-ng or Upstart? |
| 14:52.04 | Dark_Apostrophe | I'm sick of sysv init. |
| 14:52.05 | tarzeau | metbsd: you should do security upgrades, read !harden-doc too |
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| 14:52.24 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: upstart is a ubuntu thing? |
| 14:52.47 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: you're free to rape your sysv debian init |
| 14:53.00 | l3mr | http://packages.debian.org/experimental/admin/upstart |
| 14:53.01 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: Yeah, I know. But I figured someone might have ported it to Debian. |
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| 14:53.20 | Dark_Apostrophe | l3mr: Thanks :) |
| 14:53.20 | l3mr | experimental... |
| 14:53.20 | Zemus | hay u guys, Im building a pc, u want 2 help me withit? it's a mad good deal, Ill pay u. :) |
| 14:53.21 | SoulChild | Hey all |
| 14:53.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: I'm just sick of init - It's slow, inefficent and unnecessarily complex |
| 14:53.30 | Zemus | hay buy i need ur help, okay? |
| 14:53.32 | l3mr | Dark_Apostrophe: consider yourself warned.. |
| 14:53.36 | l3mr | :) |
| 14:53.40 | metbsd | Zemus, how much you paying |
| 14:53.44 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: nobody forces you to use it |
| 14:53.49 | Dark_Apostrophe | Zemus: I can help you for free, if it's something easy.. |
| 14:54.00 | lepton | Dark_Apostrophe: I have runit as process 1 on this box |
| 14:54.02 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: I know, that's why I'm asking about alternatives. |
| 14:54.02 | l3mr | !experimental |
| 14:54.03 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. for an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 14:54.04 | Zemus | metbsd, ugghhhhhh wall, i have all thes her parts n i dunno whar they go |
| 14:54.11 | tarzeau | Zemus: http://lolcat.com/pics/halpquicksandcat.jpg |
| 14:54.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | l3mr: I know about it. |
| 14:54.18 | broken | Zemus: thats simple. |
| 14:54.20 | SoulChild | I use GNOME and i habe this debian menü in apllication, but there are missing entrys and still programms that i have removed, how to refresh the debian Menü ??? |
| 14:54.22 | Zemus | Hahahaha! |
| 14:54.22 | metbsd | Zemus, hahaha |
| 14:54.25 | Dark_Apostrophe | l3mr: I run experimental glibc |
| 14:54.26 | l3mr | just want to make sure... |
| 14:54.28 | Zemus | broken, excellence, that's funny, dude. ^.^ |
| 14:54.32 | Zemus | HALP!!! |
| 14:54.33 | Zemus | xD |
| 14:54.41 | Dark_Apostrophe | l3mr: tarzeau can explain why I do so |
| 14:54.41 | l3mr | tarzeau: do you have an ubuaversion? :) |
| 14:54.57 | tarzeau | l3mr: i have a script to convert ubuntu into debian |
| 14:54.58 | broken | Zemus: you can find guideson thet inetnert plenty, that help you build your own computer. |
| 14:55.04 | broken | Zemus: i think us helping over the net would be harder. |
| 14:55.15 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: you build your onw glibc or just use the one in experimental? |
| 14:55.31 | Zemus | broken, that was me amusing both myself, and, hopefully, a few of those around me. Don't worry, I don't really need your help. ;) |
| 14:55.35 | Zemus | Especially not in #debian, of all places. xD |
| 14:55.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: experimental |
| 14:55.43 | broken | lol? |
| 14:55.52 | SoulChild | PLEASE, How do I refresh the Debian Menue??? |
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| 14:56.05 | Dark_Apostrophe | SoulChild: Debian menu+ |
| 14:56.06 | Dark_Apostrophe | *? |
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| 14:56.32 | Zemus | That is amazing, I could talk like that and appear that incoherent, and yet someone still offered to help me... amazing... |
| 14:56.32 | Zemus | O_O |
| 14:56.38 | l3mr | tarzeau: does it involve rm -rf *ubuntu* ? :) |
| 14:56.39 | wols_ | Zemus: most PC stores will build you a PC for a few tens of bucks |
| 14:56.45 | SoulChild | Dark_Apostrophe: ??? |
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| 14:56.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | SoulChild: What menu? |
| 14:57.04 | l3mr | tarzeau: but seriously.. you do? |
| 14:57.17 | SoulChild | Dark_Apostrophe: Gnome: In the Application Menu |
| 14:57.38 | Zemus | ... |
| 14:57.40 | Zemus | xD |
| 14:57.49 | Zemus | <Zemus> metbsd, ugghhhhhh wall, i have all thes her parts n i dunno whar they go |
| 14:57.51 | Zemus | hahahaha |
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| 14:58.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | SoulChild: I don't use GNOME. If it were kmenu or tasty menu, I could've helped you. |
| 14:58.31 | SoulChild | Dark_Apostrophe: THanks anyway |
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| 15:00.29 | SoulChild | GUYS, is it true that software updates are earlier available for Ubuntu than for Debian? |
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| 15:00.30 | pzn | SlayerXP: I need to access the files individually, by DVD... |
| 15:00.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | SoulChild: Debian Stable, yes. But Debian Testing and Debian Unstable are just as fast |
| 15:00.31 | Dark_Apostrophe | Well... testing takes a bit more time, but the quality is better. |
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| 15:01.02 | SoulChild | Dark_Apostrophe: How to i change my debian etch to testing or unstable ? |
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| 15:02.06 | l3mr | SoulChild: if you ask this, you probably shouldn't do it. |
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| 15:02.32 | Dark_Apostrophe | SoulChild: Simple. Change etch to testing in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:02.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | Anywhere where you see etch or stable, replace it with testing |
| 15:02.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | Then apt-get update |
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| 15:03.23 | SoulChild | l3mr: why? could it harm my system ? |
| 15:03.29 | l3mr | !tell SoulChild about testing |
| 15:03.50 | l3mr | SoulChild: yes. |
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| 15:04.58 | tarzeau | l3mr: no, yes i did, here: |
| 15:05.11 | tarzeau | l3mr: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ubuntu/uncurse |
| 15:06.00 | l3mr | tarzeau: cool :) |
| 15:06.00 | l3mr | ty |
| 15:06.00 | tarzeau | l3mr: it was used successfully bye several people |
| 15:06.00 | tarzeau | by |
| 15:06.00 | l3mr | i have to try this at home :) |
| 15:06.00 | l3mr | i'll |
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| 15:06.01 | tarzeau | l3mr: i welcome feedback and patches |
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| 15:06.12 | abrotman | l3mr: it will not be debian or ubuntu when you're done .. it's just some crap mix |
| 15:06.20 | tarzeau | abrotman: not true |
| 15:06.33 | tarzeau | abrotman: you can make it a perfect sid, nobody can tell it was ubuntu |
| 15:06.48 | Coke | hehe "perfect sid". |
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| 15:07.41 | l3mr | abrotman: well i have parallels for these kind of experiments, so .. :) |
| 15:07.43 | abrotman | tarzeau: fine .. you get to support every idiot that uses your method |
| 15:07.50 | tarzeau | abrotman: fine for me |
| 15:08.02 | abrotman | tarzeau: you've been told before to stop telling people to use it |
| 15:08.12 | tarzeau | abrotman: he asked for it |
| 15:08.24 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's not like i buggerer them all to use this script |
| 15:08.40 | tarzeau | abrotman: the idea is to read it actually, and learn how things work |
| 15:08.40 | l3mr | tarzeau: i especially like the echo 'Yes, do as I say!' part... using this in the script is very amoral :) |
| 15:08.57 | abrotman | tarzeau: no .. but you tell them it will be debian .. and it's not |
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| 15:09.04 | tarzeau | abrotman: why not? |
| 15:09.13 | tarzeau | abrotman: it really is, there is not a single ubuntu package left |
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| 15:09.27 | tarzeau | abrotman: and no files exist on the system that were made by ubuntu |
| 15:09.34 | abrotman | tarzeau: and the installer is exactly the same eh ? |
| 15:09.44 | tarzeau | abrotman: the installer doesn't exist anymore after installation |
| 15:09.53 | abrotman | you don't get it .. whatever |
| 15:09.58 | tarzeau | abrotman: well they have the same debian installer preseeding |
| 15:10.40 | abrotman | tarzeau: we also don't support kanotix/knoppix as installation methods for Debian |
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| 15:10.51 | abrotman | they also say it's Debian ... |
| 15:10.53 | tarzeau | abrotman: unless they use debootstrap from on there? |
| 15:11.04 | tarzeau | abrotman: so if i install debian using debootstrap , it's not debian? |
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| 15:11.50 | tarzeau | abrotman: ok we need a tool that can be run and says "this is a debian system." or "this is NOT a debian system.", right? |
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| 15:14.01 | krazykit | geez, that script looks like such a hack. why not just install debian the Right Way, i wonder. |
| 15:14.02 | Ronin | or just install from a debian cd that you got from debian.org |
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| 15:14.57 | tarzeau | krazykit: sometimes you meed ubuntu boxes and don't have any media, or boot possibility |
| 15:15.03 | tarzeau | krazykit: that's when it gets hacky |
| 15:15.13 | tarzeau | krazykit: that's why the windows debian installer exists too |
| 15:15.17 | krazykit | tarzeau, that's when you want netboot :-/ |
| 15:15.18 | cast | wth. installing debian with debootstrap *is* debian. unless you select a non-debian mirror for debootstrap or its been broken somehow |
| 15:15.29 | tarzeau | Ronin: not all computers have a cd drive, or not everybody has a debian cd |
| 15:15.37 | tarzeau | krazykit: you don't have everywhere netboot servers |
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| 15:15.41 | krazykit | tarzeau, and i disagree about the windows installer. it doesn't remove windows |
| 15:15.44 | tarzeau | krazykit: i know about that, and that's what i do too |
| 15:15.51 | tarzeau | krazykit: oh you can later remove it easily |
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| 15:15.55 | Ronin | tarzeau: then go buy blank cds, or go to the correct channel for support i say |
| 15:16.05 | tarzeau | cast: that's what *I* am telling too |
| 15:16.08 | tarzeau | cast: but go tell abrotman |
| 15:16.21 | tarzeau | Ronin: what about cd writers, not everyone has them |
| 15:16.32 | tarzeau | Ronin: so #debian only supports debian when it's installed from cd? |
| 15:16.53 | opqdonut | #debian doesn't _support_ anything |
| 15:16.55 | Ronin | tarzeau: no we only support debian, not ubuntu/kubuntu whatever hacked into debian |
| 15:16.57 | opqdonut | we're all volunteers |
| 15:17.16 | petemc | i get paid |
| 15:17.18 | Ronin | opqdonut: not abrotman and i, we4 get paid |
| 15:17.19 | tarzeau | Ronin: i support the poorest ever debian |
| 15:17.20 | Ronin | oh and petemc as well |
| 15:17.25 | petemc | but the person paying me doesnt think im irc all day |
| 15:17.27 | tarzeau | petemc: so do i |
| 15:17.35 | petemc | +on |
| 15:17.40 | opqdonut | Ronin: ah, okay :) |
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| 15:18.36 | perlmonkey | hi guys |
| 15:18.46 | perlmonkey | what do i need to install to get cpufreq supported? |
| 15:19.07 | wols_ | perlmonkey: a recent cpu that can use it |
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| 15:19.14 | perlmonkey | I want to lower the frequency and/or voltage of my cpu to make my cpu fan go off |
| 15:19.26 | wols_ | what kind of cpu is it? |
| 15:19.29 | perlmonkey | wols_ I have a P4 1.6 is that ok? |
| 15:19.34 | wols_ | no |
| 15:19.41 | krazykit | perlmonkey, you need to load the p4_clockmod module |
| 15:19.43 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 15:19.49 | perlmonkey | oh |
| 15:19.50 | wols_ | P4 of that era is either willamete or northwood |
| 15:20.18 | krazykit | it isn't speedstep, so you can't change voltage |
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| 15:20.21 | wols_ | and only later ones could modify clocks to save power IIRC. prescott an dabove |
| 15:20.35 | krazykit | prescott? that late? |
| 15:20.37 | quitte | hi. I'm replacing the init system of an embedded device and using the debian initscripts as an example. but there is something I cannotfigure out: how is /proc/bus/usb mounted if usbcore is not loaded by the initrd? |
| 15:20.44 | perlmonkey | i can't control the fan then eh |
| 15:20.51 | dukez_ | hello all, do you know a simple FTP daemon with implicit TLS/SSL capabilities available for debian ? |
| 15:20.52 | wols_ | krazykit: afaik yes. back then you reprogrammed the FSB to change speeds |
| 15:21.03 | perlmonkey | I tried to turn it off using acpi utils but it has no effect |
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| 15:21.21 | wols_ | perlmonkey: desktop? |
| 15:21.40 | krazykit | hm. i wonder if my automount troubles are because of my new kernel. reboot time to check. |
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| 15:21.55 | perlmonkey | wols_ it's a toshiba tecra 9100 with a fan which has a very annoying low whine and its constantly on, even with the bios's power management set to battery mode/low power |
| 15:22.16 | wols_ | so it's a mobile P4? |
| 15:22.18 | perlmonkey | yes |
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| 15:22.25 | wols_ | that's a world of difference. that should have speedstep |
| 15:22.29 | kiba_ | I am having problem with mime |
| 15:22.29 | perlmonkey | oh right |
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| 15:22.35 | kiba_ | ktorrent say it cannot find mime type |
| 15:22.43 | sepski | dukez_, /usr/lib/sftp-server from the openssh-server package :) |
| 15:22.46 | wols_ | there are also toshutils |
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| 15:23.16 | dukez_ | sepski> i m looking for FTP over SSL with implicit mode , not FTP over SSH |
| 15:23.37 | kiba_ | Could not find mime type |
| 15:23.39 | kiba_ | application/octet-stream |
| 15:23.50 | perlmonkey | I got nowhere with toshutils, it just says "this computer is not support" and fan utility also says "not support in kernel" I tried the acpitool utility and that seems to control all aspects, like lcd brightness etc, and resume etc |
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| 15:24.31 | perlmonkey | but it wont stop the fan even tho it has an option to turn off fan |
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| 15:24.51 | perlmonkey | i am running kernel 2.6.18-4 |
| 15:25.35 | wols_ | you need to load a module for toshutils |
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| 15:25.43 | esaym | Anyone know how to get metadata preview/edit for video and audio files in Konqueror's right click->properties menu? |
| 15:26.01 | mastroDan1 | hi all, this is off topic, but i would like to ask you a question: how much do you pay for your ADSL (per month) what speed and where? .... i start: italy: lower avaible cost: 20 € / month, speed 4 Mbit / 512 kbit |
| 15:26.09 | esaym | It was standard in Kubuntu. I don't know if it was a mod or some kind of feature of kde though... |
| 15:26.43 | perlmonkey | wols_ I followed all the instructions and replaced toshiba module with toshiba_acpi etc, aliased it and loaded it up etc nuffin |
| 15:27.38 | perlmonkey | toshset == required kernel toshiba support not enabled. |
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| 15:29.54 | mastroDan1 | thanks anyway |
| 15:29.57 | mastroDan1 | by |
| 15:29.58 | mastroDan1 | bye |
| 15:29.59 | krazykit | great. mounting usb-drives automatically works in 2.6.18 and my 2.6.19-custom build, but not my 2.6.21-custom build. let's figure out what's broken now :-( |
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| 15:30.47 | perlmonkey | fan == laptop does not have cooling fan or kernel module not installed. |
| 15:31.03 | perlmonkey | fan, and toshiba_acpi modules are enabled in modconf |
| 15:31.12 | perlmonkey | dont get it :-/ |
| 15:32.02 | krazykit | uh, it works now. wtf. |
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| 15:34.18 | stb- | Hi. Could someone recommend an IDE for C\C++. I used Anjuta some time ago but haven't coded for a while |
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| 15:35.00 | perlmonkey | sorry, X crashed... i loaded display driver |
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| 15:35.20 | quitte | someone will say that anyways, might as well be me. stb-: vim |
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| 15:35.29 | aadil | :D |
| 15:35.33 | perlmonkey | heh |
| 15:35.36 | aadil | gvim is betta |
| 15:35.38 | aadil | :d |
| 15:35.41 | stb- | quitte: hehehe I had a feeling someone would say that as I pressed enter |
| 15:35.46 | perlmonkey | this fan is driving me nuts, its like a dentist drill |
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| 15:35.56 | aadil | the one that comes with kde is nice too |
| 15:36.00 | perlmonkey | im gonna have to take the f'kin fing apart soon and disconnected it |
| 15:36.17 | stb- | yea I've seen screenshots of KDevelop but never used it. |
| 15:37.01 | cusco | dudes!!! |
| 15:37.26 | perlmonkey | f'kin fan uuurgh |
| 15:37.30 | cusco | my GDM loads fine at 1280x768 |
| 15:37.33 | perlmonkey | yo cusco |
| 15:37.49 | cusco | but gnome will show a "Out Of range" mensage on my screen |
| 15:38.01 | cusco | and... KDE doesn't! |
| 15:39.12 | abrotman | tarzeau: that's not what i said |
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| 15:40.08 | Hoxzer | does somebody here use torrent client via web interface ? |
| 15:40.23 | tarzeau | abrotman: so can you say, yes i support debian installations made with debootstrap ? |
| 15:40.32 | stb- | quitte: ok then, in that case, can you recommend a vim colorscheme? I'm using elflord |
| 15:40.33 | abrotman | tarzeau: read what i actually wrote |
| 15:42.05 | abrotman | fling some poo! |
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| 15:42.27 | perlmonkey | :D |
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| 15:43.59 | dmlb2000 | okay, got a management question, I know debian can use synaptic and can use the same package updater tool as ubuntu but is there something that has remote verification that the system has been updated? would he popularity-contest be able to do that? |
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| 15:44.41 | cast | hear that, debian can use the same package updater tool as ubuntu |
| 15:44.41 | tarzeau | dmlb2000: you can check /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 15:44.44 | exobyte | Is there a way to make an iptables rule that matches a source ip and dest port (the easy part) and makes changes the source address, so partial nat? |
| 15:44.58 | tarzeau | dmlb2000: but what's easier is just trying to upgrade it remotely (ssh) and see what that says, nothing to update means it's up to date |
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| 15:45.53 | dmlb2000 | cast: yeah it may have been debian's first but its the same update daemon thingy, at least it looks the same... |
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| 15:46.25 | abrotman | update-manager ? |
| 15:46.36 | dmlb2000 | abrotman: I think that's it yeah |
| 15:46.47 | abrotman | !info update-manager etch |
| 15:46.52 | sepski | apt-cron ? apticron ? |
| 15:46.52 | dpkg | update-manager: (GNOME application that manages software updates), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.42.2ubuntu22-11 (etch), Packaged size: 553 kB, Installed size: 2388 kB |
| 15:47.36 | exobyte | google says I want to source nat the packets. |
| 15:48.17 | dmlb2000 | tarzeau: yeah I was looking for a remote thingy, those two you have to have a login to the system to verify... it'd be nice if there was an app I could run on my laptop that says if my desktop and firewall got the updates yesterday or not... rather than ssh and verify... |
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| 15:49.02 | cusco | perlmonkey: I want to watch computer on my TV :( |
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| 15:49.26 | perlmonkey | cusco: you need mythtv |
| 15:49.34 | sepski | dmlb2000, i think both apt-cron and apticron can alert you by mail either before a update or after |
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| 15:50.03 | dmlb2000 | sepski: okay I'll check those out then... |
| 15:50.15 | perlmonkey | mythtv rocks |
| 15:50.22 | bonez39 | I find the following error in my email... generated apparently when cron tries to run >>> Subject: Cron <scott@fyrenice> /usr/sbin/logrotate -s /var/lib/logrotate/status /etc/logrotate.conf Fri May 25 03:30:01 2007 error: error accessing /var/log/squid: Permission denied error: squid:4 glob failed for /var/log/squid/*.log <<<<<< what can I do to resolve this? |
| 15:50.31 | cusco | perlmonkey: lol you did not understood me |
| 15:50.35 | sepski | perlmonkey, is it not a tad overkill just to watch a few channels :) |
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| 15:51.14 | cusco | perlmonkey: my computer screen is a TV oposite to your situation, where your tv screen is your laptop computer |
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| 15:51.26 | perlmonkey | oh yes |
| 15:51.52 | cusco | furthermore, I cannot start gnome under a 1280x768 resolution |
| 15:51.57 | cusco | but GDM and KDE starts fine |
| 15:52.06 | cusco | only gnome goes "Out Of Range" |
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| 15:52.16 | cusco | :( |
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| 15:52.41 | peppo | new Icedove in unstable: settings lost. has anyone else seen the same? |
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| 15:52.58 | perlmonkey | sepski: hi |
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| 15:53.20 | Fuwex | Stupid question; where's the grub.conf located? (I can't find it in either /etc or /boot and I can't remember where it should be) |
| 15:53.39 | MrMiste1 | Is anyone else concerned at Ubuntu pulling further and further away from Debian?? |
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| 15:54.04 | abrotman | MrMiste1: that is OT for this channel |
| 15:54.13 | abrotman | Fuwex: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 15:54.14 | MrMiste1 | yeah, i suppose |
| 15:54.16 | stb- | Fuwex: grub.conf? |
| 15:54.22 | Fuwex | hmm |
| 15:54.25 | Fuwex | memory failing then I guess |
| 15:54.26 | Fuwex | thanks |
| 15:54.27 | JarJarBinks|meta | is "zlib/libpng License" a license I would want to use (i.e. from a debian philosophy point of view) |
| 15:54.31 | abrotman | MrMiste1: this is a support channel |
| 15:54.35 | stb- | man grub.conf |
| 15:54.44 | MrMiste1 | okerydokes |
| 15:54.49 | vin` | peppo: #425390 |
| 15:55.08 | peppo | found. thanks vin! |
| 15:55.33 | MrMiste1 | Thanks abrotman, does Debian have an OT channel? |
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| 15:56.37 | perlmonkey | i think it does |
| 15:56.43 | perlmonkey | debian-offtopic isnt it |
| 15:56.47 | Fuwex | how do I safely replace my SMP kernel with a UP/normal one? |
| 15:56.51 | deol | i'm trying to install my printer HP Deskjet F300. from where can I get the driver? |
| 15:57.01 | cast | Fuwex: i think all deb kernels are smp now |
| 15:57.06 | stb- | yes |
| 15:57.07 | perlmonkey | linux-printing.org |
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| 15:57.11 | Fuwex | hmm, ok |
| 15:57.19 | cydork | Fuwex: why do you wanna do that? |
| 15:57.39 | MrMiste1 | sweet, perlmonkey, it is. thanks. |
| 15:57.52 | Fuwex | well, just thought maybe since my server's processor is a Celeron without multi-core or anything like that I'd have greater performance with a normal one (?) |
| 15:57.55 | stb- | I thought it was part of the later 2.6.x methodology |
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| 15:58.02 | perlmonkey | :-) |
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| 15:58.22 | cast | lol @ celeron server |
| 15:58.28 | perlmonkey | celery |
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| 15:58.33 | vin` | salad |
| 15:58.40 | perlmonkey | put a stick of celery in, will go faster |
| 15:58.44 | Fuwex | hey, 'tis old, ok :p |
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| 15:58.56 | perlmonkey | :D |
| 15:59.18 | stb- | I have a feeling all kernels are SMP-enabled now. I'm using a newly-compiled kernel and I don't remember there being an option |
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| 15:59.21 | perlmonkey | my server is a P3-600 that's old but still very capable |
| 15:59.21 | Fuwex | basically I was wondering how Ican improve performance of VMware Server, because this is ridiculous |
| 15:59.45 | stb- | how much RAM do you have? |
| 15:59.47 | valdyn | stb-: not all, but many |
| 15:59.50 | Fuwex | I moved my VMware Server (Windows XP) from my Fedora Core 6 desktop PC to my Debian Etch Server and it's very very slow |
| 15:59.55 | Fuwex | stb- only 512 :( |
| 16:00.00 | valdyn | stb-: like -386 are not, i suppose |
| 16:00.03 | Kevin` | Fuwex you have enough ram to be running two operating systems, right? |
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| 16:00.24 | Kevin` | 512 is enough if you are very careful |
| 16:00.33 | Kevin` | how much ram is free on the host, and how much did you dedicate to the guest |
| 16:00.36 | stb- | valdyn: yea sure I have an AMD64 so it could be SMP |
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| 16:01.06 | Southern | Hi |
| 16:01.10 | yosef | Hi |
| 16:01.17 | Fuwex | Kevin`, I dedicated 384 or something like that, but I guess that's too much |
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| 16:01.26 | Kevin` | don't dedicate more then you have. |
| 16:01.32 | yosef | How to extract the rar files? the packages file-roller cannot extract it |
| 16:01.33 | bonez39 | How might I resolve the following error??.. generated apparently when cron tries to run >>> Subject: Cron <scott@fyrenice> /usr/sbin/logrotate -s /var/lib/logrotate/status /etc/logrotate.conf Fri May 25 03:30:01 2007 error: error accessing /var/log/squid: Permission denied error: squid:4 glob failed for /var/log/squid/*.log |
| 16:01.37 | Kevin` | otherwise your swapping for physical ram on the guest |
| 16:01.48 | valdyn | yang: it can, if you have unrar installed |
| 16:01.59 | Fuwex | Kevin`, so 256 - 256 instead then? |
| 16:02.08 | Kevin` | Fuwex depends how much you have available |
| 16:02.16 | valdyn | yang: or you can use p7zip for about any archive type |
| 16:02.23 | Talaturen | Hello, I was trying to get phpMyAdmin to work with apache2, mysql and php but it didn't work so I thought that I could redo it all and I apt-get remove'd mysql, apache and php5 and ALSO removed the folders in /etc/, now I can't get it back with apt-get install, how can I get those folders back in another way? |
| 16:02.26 | christoph__ | cahoot: It did't work. I commented out everything except SUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTRS{address}=="MAC Address", NAME="eth1" |
| 16:02.41 | vin` | valdyn: s/yang/yosef |
| 16:02.49 | Kevin` | Sememmon: 749 741 7 0 63 347 |
| 16:02.49 | Kevin` | -/+ buffers/cache: 330 418 |
| 16:02.49 | stb- | Fuwex: I imagine 512Mb should be enough depending on what function the server performs... My desktop machine doesn't reach that sort of mem. usage often |
| 16:02.58 | Kevin` | on mine, I could dedicate the 384 |
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| 16:03.09 | christoph__ | oh, and I filled in the Mac-Address that ifconfig gave me |
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| 16:03.12 | Kevin` | stupid autocomplete |
| 16:03.38 | valdyn | christoph__: what exactly does not work? |
| 16:03.43 | dogmeat | !seen bob2 |
| 16:03.43 | dpkg | bob2 <n=bob4@ble59-5-82-233-207-9.fbx.proxad.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 275d 15h 35m 28s ago, saying: 'guerin fake ass yoursel'. |
| 16:03.45 | exobyte | would tcpdump display packets before or after iptables gets to them? |
| 16:03.46 | yosef | vin` ? |
| 16:03.46 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 16:03.51 | HardDisk_WP | whats the best way to access NTFS drives with r/w? |
| 16:03.54 | Kevin` | exobyte before |
| 16:04.01 | Talaturen | does anyone have an answer for my question or will I have to reinstall debian? =/ |
| 16:04.01 | stb- | HardDisk_WP: I use ntfs-3g |
| 16:04.05 | cydork | HardDisk_WP: /msg dpkg ntfsrw |
| 16:04.06 | christoph__ | valdyn: The name of the network interfaces changed again (from eth25 to eth 26) |
| 16:04.08 | valdyn | exobyte: both |
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| 16:04.19 | christoph__ | I mean network interface (singular) |
| 16:04.24 | valdyn | christoph__: guess its mac is changing |
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| 16:05.02 | Kevin` | on my computer, I just removed the rule in udev that picks unique names |
| 16:05.09 | Taza | Is there a pdf reader that doesn't require X? |
| 16:05.20 | HardDisk_WP | k |
| 16:05.20 | exobyte | valdyn: is there a way to issolate it so I just see before or after? |
| 16:05.25 | bzed | Talaturen: apt-get --reinstall install packagename probably |
| 16:05.44 | wols_ | Taza: pdf2html, then use lynx |
| 16:05.48 | Talaturen | bzed, okey I'll try it |
| 16:05.53 | bzed | Talaturen: if not, dpkg --purge packagename, then install it again |
| 16:05.58 | Fuwex | Kevin`, I've got 512 mb available |
| 16:06.02 | hark | Taza: fbgs |
| 16:06.03 | christoph__ | valdyn: wait a moment, I'll check with a reboot... |
| 16:06.09 | Kevin` | Fuwex I thought you had 512 total |
| 16:06.17 | Fuwex | oh, I thought you meant total |
| 16:06.23 | bzed | Talaturen: and for the next time: don't remove stuff in /etc. configure it properly instead. |
| 16:06.34 | valdyn | exobyte: your network packet will go wire->iptables->localhost->iptables->wire->final destination |
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| 16:06.41 | Kevin` | Fuwex only give the guest os the ram that ISN'T normally used by the host |
| 16:06.42 | Talaturen | bzed, E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. |
| 16:06.44 | stb- | Fuwex: I'm sure the Celeron doesn't help matters when it comes to virtualisation |
| 16:06.59 | yosef | what is the best archive manager car extract the rar files? |
| 16:07.06 | bzed | Talaturen: phpmyadmin has a setup part you can use to configure it, or just read the docs in /usr/share/doc/packagename to figure out how to do such things |
| 16:07.07 | Talaturen | bzed, when I do that it's trying to install mysql and saying files are missing etc.. |
| 16:07.09 | valdyn | exobyte: tcpdump runs on your host, so it can see a packet before or after iptables, depending if its incoming or outgoing |
| 16:07.13 | Kevin` | yosef I use unrar or rar.. |
| 16:07.23 | cast | yosef: unrar in the non-free section, unfortunately |
| 16:07.26 | Fuwex | Kevin`, yeah, well, I can't imagine it using a lot as apart from VMware Server it only really contains a web server and SSHd |
| 16:07.40 | Kevin` | Fuwex I mean, check :) |
| 16:07.41 | exobyte | valdyn: ahh- so it depends which way the packet's going |
| 16:07.55 | valdyn | exobyte: yea |
| 16:07.58 | bzed | Talaturen: try apt-get -f install, of if that doesn't work, try dpkg -P packagename on the package it is complaining about |
| 16:08.00 | Fuwex | Kevin`, ok - how? Sorry for being clueless |
| 16:08.09 | yosef | kevin: I try unrar-free But it show extracting, and then fail |
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| 16:08.14 | Kevin` | Fuwex the +/- buffers/cache line is the one you should be concerned with, although using more then the Free amount would affect performance on the host by not letting it cache things |
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| 16:08.25 | Kevin` | Fuwex free -m, or any other tool |
| 16:08.28 | bolt | gah. i keep missing -dev packages. is there a way to install every single -dev package? |
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| 16:08.32 | yosef | But it what what inside the archive |
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| 16:08.56 | Fuwex | Kevin`, ok, thanks |
| 16:08.56 | valdyn | exobyte: fetching a packet before it comes on would require a kernel extension, you can actually use iptables for that, or do this literally by adding _another_ layer before iptables gets to work ( that would be braindead to do ) |
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| 16:09.14 | valdyn | s/on/in/ |
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| 16:09.42 | Fuwex | Kevin`, when I don't run VMware I've got 443 MB Free |
| 16:09.49 | Fuwex | buffers: 1 cached: 17 |
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| 16:09.56 | vin` | bolt: try aptitude search -- -dev |
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| 16:10.05 | Kevin` | Fuwex ok, that's good |
| 16:10.22 | Fuwex | no, sorry, 462 on the +/- buffer |
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| 16:10.45 | exobyte | valdyn: this is odd: my source nat doesn't seem to be working |
| 16:10.52 | Kevin` | you should be able to give it the 384 you had |
| 16:10.52 | Talaturen | bzed, I've removed it now but now that I'm trying to reinstall it, it says files are missing.. |
| 16:10.56 | Kevin` | I wonder why it's slow |
| 16:11.03 | valdyn | exobyte: then there's the promiscous mode too |
| 16:11.09 | valdyn | exobyte: i dont know about your source nat.. |
| 16:11.15 | Fuwex | Kevin`, I'll try booting it up and see what happens |
| 16:11.17 | Talaturen | /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql-server-5.0.postinst: line 143: /etc/mysql/conf.d/old_passwords.cnf: File or folder does not exist. |
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| 16:11.53 | Fuwex | Kevin`, booting can take anywhere between 5 and 10 minutes :( And that's Windows XP with roughly three programs installed after installation |
| 16:12.15 | Fuwex | :o |
| 16:12.20 | valdyn | exobyte: oh, i gave you some wrong info.. |
| 16:12.26 | Fuwex | when I turned on VMware the free memory jumped down to 5! |
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| 16:12.38 | Kevin` | that's to be expected |
| 16:12.39 | valdyn | exobyte: since tcpdump uses promiscous mode its just totally independent of iptables |
| 16:12.42 | Fuwex | Kevin`, hmm |
| 16:12.55 | |HellTiger| | is there an software for nonkde like kcontrol, to change special settings to logitechmouses for changeing dpi from 400 to 800 |
| 16:13.07 | Kevin` | Fuwex how much swap do you have, are you using any of it? |
| 16:13.13 | bzed | Talaturen: did you purge it or remove it? |
| 16:13.28 | Fuwex | Kevin`, Swap: 1427 92 1334 |
| 16:13.33 | Kevin` | hm |
| 16:13.33 | bzed | Talaturen: paste the exact command you're running into a pastebin please, including the output |
| 16:13.40 | Kevin` | Fuwex how much is free in second line |
| 16:13.46 | Fuwex | 456 |
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| 16:13.55 | Kevin` | ok I suppose that's ok then |
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| 16:14.20 | bintut | how do you convert an mp3 or wav file to gsm format? |
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| 16:14.30 | bolt | vin`, is there a way to install all the packages it lists? |
| 16:14.33 | Kevin` | what's gsm format |
| 16:14.53 | Fuwex | Kevin`, I'll try to log into the VMware Server as root instead and see if there's any difference |
| 16:15.02 | Fuwex | I guess not |
| 16:15.03 | Talaturen | bzed, http://pastebin.ca/509681, some of it is in swedish tho just tell me if you need anything translated. |
| 16:15.07 | vin` | bolt: you shouldn't, install what you need, refine the search |
| 16:15.21 | valdyn | bintut: man sox |
| 16:15.36 | Fuwex | Kevin`, I'll have to try later - I've got to go for now - thanks for helping me out :) |
| 16:15.51 | bolt | vin`: what's wrong with installing everything? it's not like there isn't room for it |
| 16:15.51 | Kevin` | Fuwex well, only vmware is familiar with the internals of vmware. you might try asking or looking at the vmware forums about performance |
| 16:15.52 | JxKolbe | i would like to run debian etch stable and would like to run it most of the time on command line ... is there a list programs such as multimedia officetools.... that have run in the command line.... i mean like built up mybe like w3m or lynx... i hope somebody understands :D |
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| 16:15.58 | Fuwex | Kevin`, ok |
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| 16:16.20 | Kevin` | JxKolbe mplayer works fine without X |
| 16:16.24 | valdyn | JxKolbe: why would you do that? |
| 16:16.29 | Kevin` | hm, I used to know a command line .doc tool |
| 16:16.30 | Kevin` | what was it |
| 16:16.49 | kth`` | How can I get first N bytes of /dev/random to stdout? (shell command)? |
| 16:16.55 | christoph__ | valdyn: Yes, the Mac address is changing. But aren't Mac addresses supposed to be immutable? |
| 16:17.00 | valdyn | JxKolbe: there's a ton of fine cli tools, but 'multimedia officetools' doesnt fit.. |
| 16:17.07 | Kevin` | kth`` dd if=/dev/urandom bs=1 count=N |
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| 16:17.11 | valdyn | christoph__: well, blame your nic or your hardware vendor |
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| 16:17.37 | kth`` | Kevin`, I knew that was a stupid question aswell, just couldn't put the finger on the solution :P |
| 16:17.38 | Kevin` | it's rather odd the mac would be changing |
| 16:17.43 | kth`` | Thanks |
| 16:17.56 | JxKolbe | just for training, would like to build up something on my own.... and would like like to meet some programms that run from command line with a simple display |
| 16:17.59 | christoph__ | valdyn: Why nic? Isn't id the hardware manufacturer who gives his devices Mac Addresses |
| 16:18.01 | Kevin` | christoph__ check for any errors from the driver |
| 16:18.15 | Kevin` | the manufacturer assigns them, but they don't make the hardware |
| 16:18.16 | valdyn | !nic |
| 16:18.16 | dpkg | hmm... nic is (Network Interface Card) The NIC is an add-in board that enables a computer to connect to some form of computer network.. Network Information Center |
| 16:18.21 | Kevin` | they just burn a prom |
| 16:18.54 | bzed | Talaturen: btw, dpkg -P and dpkg --purge is the same ;) |
| 16:18.54 | valdyn | christoph__: nics have a default mac, it can be changed easily though via software |
| 16:19.10 | JxKolbe | thanx |
| 16:19.19 | Kevin` | the mac shouldn't be changing without asking though |
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| 16:19.27 | valdyn | christoph__: you may have a broken MAC and your driver is just replacing it with a proper mac |
| 16:19.28 | bolt | I am trying to compile SheepShaver (a powerpc emulator) and when I run ./configure it ends up with "ESD sound support: no" and "GTK user interface: no". Any ideas as to what I need to install for it to use those? |
| 16:19.35 | valdyn | christoph__: see dmesg |
| 16:19.47 | Kevin` | I have a usb nic that will 'forget' it's mac address if you leave it powered on when you reconnect it, but that's an odd case |
| 16:19.51 | bonez39 | damned net connection...I am invisible... |
| 16:19.58 | Kevin` | and it will have the old one if reconnected completely |
| 16:20.10 | Kevin` | bonez39 |
| 16:20.15 | Talaturen | bzed, noticed that as it said mysql-server-5.0 was already gone, you have any idea how i can solve this? |
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| 16:20.31 | bonez39 | Kevin`, eh? am I not invisible? |
| 16:20.45 | Kevin` | bonez39 no, I can't see a word your saying, your invisible |
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| 16:21.03 | bzed | Talaturen: what does Filen eller katalogen finns inte mean? |
| 16:21.10 | Talaturen | that it doesn't exist |
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| 16:21.17 | Talaturen | The file or the folder does not exist |
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| 16:21.36 | bzed | Talaturen: are you using etch? sarge? |
| 16:21.38 | shawn | How do I put music on my lg chocolate phone with microsd? |
| 16:21.41 | Talaturen | bzed, using etch |
| 16:21.54 | Kevin` | mmm chocolate |
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| 16:22.57 | EliasAmaral | Which package contains development files for OpenGL? I am looking for packages that provides the libraries to link with "-lopengl32 -lglut32" (Actually I am using ubuntu, but I hope the packages names are at least similar) |
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| 16:23.18 | christoph__ | The driver module is forcedeth (loaded by default). In the output of dmesg I find the lines "forcedeth: using HIGHDMA |
| 16:23.18 | christoph__ | 0000:00:07.0: Invalid Mac address detected: 3f:44:02:66:19:00 |
| 16:23.18 | christoph__ | Please complain to your hardware vendor. Switching to a random MAC. |
| 16:23.18 | christoph__ | eth1: forcedeth.c: subsystem: 01849:03ef bound to 0000:00:07.0 |
| 16:23.19 | christoph__ | ". Does that mean that my hardware is "broken"? |
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| 16:23.56 | EliasAmaral | And, here #include <gl/glut.h> doesn't works, what works is #include <GL/glut.h> (I installed a package named freeglut-dev), this is normal? |
| 16:24.08 | Gathond | hmmm I did not think any MAC addresses where illegal, as long as it was the right length |
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| 16:24.30 | Kevin` | there are some exceptions |
| 16:24.41 | bzed | Talaturen: try to purge the package again please, then have a look if there's anything left in /var/lib/mysql |
| 16:24.41 | Kevin` | well, have it assign a mac in early boot then |
| 16:24.56 | christoph__ | forcedeth: using HIGHDMA |
| 16:25.26 | valdyn | EliasAmaral: apt-cache search gl-dev ? |
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| 16:25.43 | Talaturen | bzed, no mysql folder in /var/lib/ |
| 16:25.52 | shawn | How do I find out if I am using sarge? |
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| 16:26.01 | bzed | Talaturen: the folder in /etc/ is gone, too? |
| 16:26.04 | bonez39 | Kevin`, that explains the cold silence to my question... |
| 16:26.08 | christoph__ | Sorry. My driver for the network card is forcedeth. When I look at the output of dmesg, I can find the following lines: |
| 16:26.13 | valdyn | EliasAmaral: or apt-cache search glut-dev |
| 16:26.16 | bonez39 | How might I resolve the following error??.. generated apparently when cron tries to run >>> Subject: Cron <scott@fyrenice> /usr/sbin/logrotate -s /var/lib/logrotate/status /etc/logrotate.conf Fri May 25 03:30:01 2007 error: error accessing /var/log/squid: Permission denied error: squid:4 glob failed for /var/log/squid/*.log |
| 16:26.18 | christoph__ | forcedeth: using HIGHDMA |
| 16:26.18 | Talaturen | bzed, yes, i removed that one because i thought it would apper again after doing apt-get install =/ |
| 16:26.23 | JxKolbe | !fluxbox |
| 16:26.23 | dpkg | rumour has it, fluxbox is a forked off blackbox and is found at http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net, or blackbox the featureless wonder with some added features You can also ask #fluxbox for non-debian specific information. |
| 16:26.28 | christoph__ | 0000:00:07.0: Invalid Mac address detected: 3f:44:02:66:19:00 |
| 16:26.40 | Kevin` | bonez39 ls -ld /var/log/squid |
| 16:26.41 | christoph__ | Please complain to your hardware vendor. Switching to a random MAC. |
| 16:26.46 | bzed | Talaturen: and ti was a clean etch install? |
| 16:26.48 | shawn | Should I uprgrade to etch? |
| 16:26.50 | christoph__ | eth1: forcedeth.c: subsystem: 01849:03ef bound to 0000:00:07.0 |
| 16:26.52 | valdyn | christoph__: stop pasting, we've seen it alrady |
| 16:26.53 | JxKolbe | is there a fluxbox for stable? |
| 16:26.57 | EliasAmaral | valdyn, glut-dev I already installed... and, I will try to install libgl1-mesa-dev |
| 16:27.03 | Kevin` | yes, JxKolbe |
| 16:27.04 | Talaturen | bzed, yes, netinst amd64 etch.. |
| 16:27.18 | shawn | How would I upgrade to etch? |
| 16:27.24 | christoph__ | Does that mean that my hardware is "broken"? |
| 16:27.31 | bzed | !tell shawn about sarge->etch |
| 16:27.32 | valdyn | !sarge->etch |
| 16:27.33 | dpkg | i guess sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the release notes. also ask me about <security> |
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| 16:27.34 | azeem | shawn: read the release notes |
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| 16:27.47 | Kevin` | christoph__ well.. misconfigued. depends on your definition of broken |
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| 16:27.54 | valdyn | christoph__: it means that the driver thinks that the mac of your hardware is not a legal mac |
| 16:27.55 | Kevin` | misconfigured in a permanent way :) |
| 16:27.58 | valdyn | christoph__: not more, note less |
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| 16:28.12 | christoph__ | So I have to buy a new network card? |
| 16:28.19 | Kevin` | no |
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| 16:28.25 | bonez39 | scott@fyrenice:~/mydata/dox/medicare$ ls -ld /var/log/squid |
| 16:28.25 | bonez39 | drwxr-x--- 2 proxy proxy 4096 2007-02-20 06:29 /var/log/squid |
| 16:28.27 | bzed | Talaturen: that's a pretty interesting issue. give me some more minutes to figure out what you need to do please |
| 16:28.32 | Kevin` | either set the mac with a script on boot, or have the driver accept the invalid mac |
| 16:28.47 | Kevin` | buying a new card would of course fix it too |
| 16:28.50 | Kevin` | up to you |
| 16:29.34 | JxKolbe | cannot find fluxbox for stable |
| 16:29.53 | Kevin` | well, I have it installed now.. |
| 16:29.56 | Kevin` | it exists |
| 16:29.57 | JxKolbe | gotit |
| 16:30.03 | JxKolbe | ;D |
| 16:30.05 | Miles_Prower | power's out here, we are on backup. |
| 16:30.11 | christoph__ | Kevin`: Which would be the better solution? |
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| 16:30.41 | Kevin` | christoph__ changing the driver to accept or override it to a specific number instead of random would be harder |
| 16:30.44 | dogmeat | if i initiate a request on a specific port from a remote node, say 1521, and that port is firewalled on the local node, would i receive info from the line? |
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| 16:31.28 | christoph__ | Kevin`: ok, so how do you set the mac? |
| 16:31.33 | Kevin` | dogmeat depends on your firewall rules. it's possible to block it |
| 16:31.59 | JxKolbe | how do i install fluxbox on a fresh debian ... no desktop nothing exept base system |
| 16:32.04 | Kevin` | christoph__ from userland, you bring the interface down, then ifconfig ethx hw ether xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx |
| 16:32.06 | JxKolbe | xorg |
| 16:32.26 | Kevin` | apt-get install fluxbox |
| 16:32.49 | grendal_prime | !beryl |
| 16:32.50 | JxKolbe | xorg and apt-get install fluxbox thats all? |
| 16:32.50 | dpkg | beryl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager), HOWTO and links to package repositories are here: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Debian |
| 16:32.55 | Kevin` | JxKolbe yes |
| 16:33.08 | JxKolbe | cool!! |
| 16:33.14 | NoWayMan_NotMe | lls |
| 16:33.17 | NoWayMan_NotMe | oops |
| 16:33.22 | Kevin` | depends on your needs of course. you will at that point have a workable fluxbox |
| 16:33.30 | Kevin` | I also like to install gdm so I get graphical login |
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| 16:33.43 | christoph__ | Kevin`: But then I'd have to know which is the network interface assocciated with the network card, but that is constantly changing? |
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| 16:33.58 | Kevin` | christoph__ do it before it changes, or stop udev from changing it |
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| 16:36.20 | bintut | valdyn: thanks.. :) |
| 16:36.32 | bzed | Talaturen: ok, I'll file a new bug report about this issue, I need some more minutes if I can tell you what to do against it |
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| 16:36.36 | yopyop | hello |
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| 16:36.48 | Talaturen | bzed, okey |
| 16:37.23 | Talaturen | bzed, isn't it possible to download the mysql folder you get when you install debian somewhere? |
| 16:37.23 | yopyop | can anyone help me with mdadm ? i created an md0, but i dont know how to clean it from conf, i cant find it anywhere in /etc and when i boot, its still present. |
| 16:37.41 | JxKolbe | kevin do i need xdm or something to ? |
| 16:37.42 | bzed | Talaturen: the file which is missing is created by the maintainer scripts |
| 16:37.56 | Talaturen | mhm |
| 16:37.58 | Kevin` | JxKolbe you don't need it, but I like to install gdm |
| 16:38.29 | JxKolbe | Thanx for help mate |
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| 16:40.16 | grendal_prime | !debian-multimedia |
| 16:40.16 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
| 16:40.39 | christoph__ | Kevin`: So I have to put a link to that script in /etc/rc2.d/ starting with S01 so that it is executed first? |
| 16:41.25 | Kevin` | christoph__ well, try to load the driver and assign the mac before udev starts |
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| 16:44.19 | christoph__ | Kevin`: I'll try. |
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| 16:48.47 | exobyte | is there a way to make iptables always use the same port for NAT when the source and destination match some criteria? |
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| 16:49.24 | Kevin` | exobyte the same source port, you mean? |
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| 16:49.53 | exobyte | Kevin`: source port on the nat box |
| 16:50.06 | Kevin` | not sure, i've never needed to do that |
| 16:50.16 | Kevin` | perhaps adding an snat rule |
| 16:50.19 | exobyte | Kevin`: I'm working on an ugly hack... |
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| 16:51.08 | exobyte | might be iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp \ --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 3128 |
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| 16:51.40 | Kevin` | that's redirect to local |
| 16:51.44 | Kevin` | and is dest port |
| 16:51.50 | exobyte | that's flipped |
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| 16:52.07 | christoph__ | Kevin`: I created the file /etc/rc2.d/S01mac with the content #!/bin/bash [new line] ifconfig eth28 hw ether 00:00:6C:67:6E:13 My current interface name before reboot was eth28; now it is eth29. Why didn't it work? |
| 16:52.16 | Kevin` | REDIRECT sends traffic to the firewall itself |
| 16:52.22 | Kevin` | used for transparent proxy and stuff |
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| 16:52.42 | deol | hi, I've got a printer HP Deskjet F300, I have a CD only with windows and mac os x for drivers and now I'm confused. i installed wine and write wine Setup.exe in a terminal but i get err:secur32:SECUR32_initNTLMSP ntlm_auth was not found or is outdated. Make sure that ntlm_auth >= 3.x is in your path. |
| 16:53.04 | deol | can someone help me to install the driver please? |
| 16:53.06 | Kevin` | christoph__ you want to change the mac address BEFORE udev assigns a name to it |
| 16:53.07 | exobyte | Kevin`: and it dosn't actually do NAT |
| 16:53.14 | xand | deol: you don't want to be doing that. |
| 16:53.25 | xand | deol: you want to be using cups and linux drivers |
| 16:53.25 | Kevin` | actually it does to some nat |
| 16:53.26 | xand | !cups |
| 16:53.27 | dpkg | from memory, cups is a spiffy new printing system. or available under the GPL since june 1999., or making loads of trouble if you try to use it, or available at http://www.cups.org (or so says http://www.easysw.com), or see cups-unstable, or http://localhost:631/admin, or see cups setup |
| 16:53.29 | gpm | deol: yeah, just install cups |
| 16:53.32 | Kevin` | since it's spoofing the destination |
| 16:53.38 | Kevin` | for return traffic |
| 16:53.49 | Kevin` | anyway try SNAT |
| 16:53.51 | deol | gpm: apt-get install cups right? |
| 16:54.03 | gpm | deol: no, it's cupsys |
| 16:54.09 | deol | gpm: ok |
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| 16:54.22 | christoph__ | Kevin`: And isn't that achieved with the name /etc/rc2.d/S01mac; which is the first file in that directory if you sort them alphabetically? Or do I have to put the file somewhere else? |
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| 16:54.58 | deol | gpm: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded |
| 16:55.05 | gpm | deol: great, you have it |
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| 16:55.10 | Kevin` | christoph__ udev might be bieng loaded by the initrd |
| 16:55.18 | exobyte | Kevin`: I'm thining a snat rule and a dnat rule can be put together to do what I want |
| 16:55.24 | deol | gpm: and now what should I do? |
| 16:55.33 | Kevin` | exobyte so am I |
| 16:55.33 | jensens | can someone point me to a howto of a netinstall from within a rescue system (i'am remote, no CD) |
| 16:55.42 | christoph__ | Kevin`: What do I do then? |
| 16:55.49 | exobyte | Kevin`: oops- dnat won't know what port to use |
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| 16:55.55 | gpm | deol: do you have gnome? |
| 16:56.01 | deol | gpm: yes |
| 16:56.02 | Kevin` | christoph__ have a script load the driver and assign a mac within the initrfd |
| 16:56.04 | Kevin` | initrd |
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| 16:56.21 | gpm | deol: apt-get install gnome-cups-manager |
| 16:56.36 | gpm | it'll be in the system->administration menu |
| 16:56.51 | gpm | it'll say "printers" or something |
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| 16:57.00 | deol | gpm: wait a second |
| 16:57.54 | christoph__ | Kevin`: I'm sorry, but how do you edit the initrd? |
| 16:58.17 | christoph__ | I only know very, very, very, very basic thing about the kernel |
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| 16:58.23 | Kevin` | christoph__ if it's cpio format, extract it, change, then recreate. if it's a filesystem, uncompress then mount it |
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| 16:58.54 | deol | gpm: ok, now I have "New Printer" an icon there |
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| 16:59.40 | gpm | if you don't see your printer, you should click add new printer or new printer or whatever it's called |
| 17:00.08 | gpm | if you do see your printer, right click and set it as the default and be happy (maybe do a test page just in case) |
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| 17:01.09 | deol | gpm: I hate only Printer Type: Local Printer and Network Printer | Use a detected printer: No printers and Use another printer by specifying a port: |
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| 17:01.44 | gpm | deol: ok, how's the printer connected? |
| 17:01.47 | gpm | usb? |
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| 17:01.54 | pp | hello :-) .. anyone's using mailgraph? for some weird reasons it does not work here .. the rrd database is not created .. I also issued the perl script with debug messages . tho the appropiate function that creates the rrd database is for some reason not executed.. any suggestions? |
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| 17:02.00 | deol | gpm: yes |
| 17:02.16 | gpm | deol: it's local printer then |
| 17:02.19 | gpm | is it on? |
| 17:02.28 | gpm | i mean, is the printer turned on? |
| 17:02.31 | deol | gpm: yes |
| 17:02.32 | Vasistha | so, whatever happened with rnix and jensens and their borked zope/plone server? |
| 17:02.36 | deol | gpm: its on |
| 17:02.41 | gpm | deol: ok, it's local |
| 17:02.45 | gpm | so select that |
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| 17:02.57 | deol | gpm: I have Local Printer selected |
| 17:03.16 | gpm | deol: ok. so can you click next something... |
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| 17:03.21 | gpm | is there a menu? |
| 17:03.28 | gpm | what's next |
| 17:03.36 | gpm | it's a pretty straightforward wizard at this point |
| 17:03.38 | deol | gpm: and below I have Use a detected printer which is selected and then Use another printer by specifying a port which is not selected |
| 17:03.51 | deol | gpm: should I selected "Use another printer..."? |
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| 17:04.28 | yopyop | how do i destroy an md with mdadm, and i do i prevent it to be reconstruct on reboot ? |
| 17:04.35 | gpm | deol: do me a favor, before we continue, open a terminal and type dmesg|grep -i usb |
| 17:04.39 | gpm | tell me what you see |
| 17:04.40 | deol | gpm: and then from the list I have hp no_device_found, LPT #1, Parallel Port #1 CANNON and EPSON |
| 17:04.47 | deol | gpm: sure |
| 17:05.06 | deol | !paste |
| 17:05.06 | dpkg | somebody said paste was Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC or if those are not working, ask me about <pastebin> for other options |
| 17:06.08 | gpm | deol: do you see something about your printer? |
| 17:06.08 | deol | gpm: http://paste.debian.net/28846 |
| 17:06.08 | deol | gpm: wait a second to check |
| 17:06.24 | deol | gpm: I don't see nothing... |
| 17:06.29 | bzed | Talaturen: try this please: dpkg -P mysql-server-5.0 mysql-common mysql-client-5.0 libmysqlclient15off libmysqlclient15-dev libdbd-mysql-perl |
| 17:06.31 | gpm | deol: see that last line in your paste? |
| 17:06.47 | gpm | deol: usblp0: removed....that means your printer got disconnected somehow |
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| 17:06.48 | bzed | Talaturen: and then apt-get install mysql-server-5.0 again please |
| 17:06.58 | Talaturen | okey |
| 17:06.58 | gpm | deol: line 24 of your paste shows it was detected |
| 17:07.09 | gpm | deol: and then in line 26 it was removed somehow |
| 17:07.15 | deol | gpm: i didn't plug in |
| 17:07.21 | deol | gpm: should I plug in on usb? |
| 17:07.24 | JxKolbe | is there a tool with which i can make a livecd out of my install |
| 17:07.26 | gpm | deol: oh, yeah |
| 17:07.31 | gpm | deol: definitely |
| 17:07.39 | gpm | turn it on, plug it in to usb |
| 17:08.28 | christoph__ | Kevin`: I copied /initrd.img to roots homefolder; cd'd there; and did cpio -i < initrd.img. |
| 17:08.36 | deol | gpm: wait a sec |
| 17:08.42 | wols_ | JxKolbe: live.debian.org |
| 17:08.58 | christoph__ | Then suddenly every normal letter became weird (looks like arabic |
| 17:09.12 | christoph__ | if I type something; it also looks weird like that |
| 17:09.22 | Vasistha | christoph__: 'reset' will reset your terminal |
| 17:09.26 | Talaturen | bzed, errors again, want me to put on pastebin? |
| 17:09.26 | deol | gpm: done |
| 17:09.37 | christoph__ | Thanks. |
| 17:09.38 | bzed | Talaturen: yes please |
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| 17:10.01 | deol | gpm: what should I do now? |
| 17:10.02 | gpm | ok. now if you run dmesg|grep -i usb again, you should see something like lines 24-25 of your paste again at the bottom |
| 17:10.09 | gpm | just confirm that you see that |
| 17:10.17 | deol | gpm: ok |
| 17:10.20 | gpm | you do? |
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| 17:10.40 | deol | gpm: yes |
| 17:10.44 | JxKolbe | wols, nothing there SERVER NOT FOUND |
| 17:10.50 | deol | gpm: Its not ... usblp0: removed anymore |
| 17:10.54 | gpm | deol: great. now exit gnome-cups-manager and start it again |
| 17:10.55 | Talaturen | bzed, http://pastebin.ca/509822 |
| 17:11.00 | deol | gpm: ok |
| 17:11.14 | gpm | deol: it's still a local printer |
| 17:11.22 | christoph__ | Kevin`: I don't manage editing the initrd. |
| 17:11.22 | gpm | and it should be auto-detected |
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| 17:11.46 | deol | gpm: it is! |
| 17:11.48 | Talaturen | bzed, as you can see I even did it twice |
| 17:11.50 | gpm | deol: hooray |
| 17:11.56 | gpm | deol: select it, set it as your default |
| 17:12.03 | gpm | do a test page to make sure it works |
| 17:12.03 | deol | gpm: now I click on Forward to see what happens |
| 17:12.13 | gpm | it's pretty simple |
| 17:12.14 | deol | gpm: sure, wait just a second |
| 17:12.18 | bzed | Talaturen: beroendeproblem - tar inte bort << !? |
| 17:12.39 | gpm | the only time this gets hard is if the printer isn't detected by the kernel (that's what we checked with dmesg) |
| 17:12.41 | deol | gpm: should I install the Driver now or just Apply? |
| 17:12.45 | Talaturen | means it doesn't remove |
| 17:12.51 | wols_ | JxKolbe: http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 17:13.00 | gpm | deol: just apply, the driver in cups should be fine |
| 17:13.03 | deol | gpm: I have selected HP - Deskjet F300 and I have a button with "install driver" and below "Apply" |
| 17:13.06 | deol | gpm: ok |
| 17:13.14 | deol | gpm: its ready now |
| 17:13.16 | Vasistha | JxKolbe: live.debian.net |
| 17:13.20 | gpm | deol: try a test page |
| 17:13.44 | deol | gpm: hmm, i don't have any text |
| 17:13.50 | deol | gpm: let me find something to test :) |
| 17:13.52 | gpm | there's an option in gnome-cups-manager for a test page |
| 17:13.56 | bzed | Talaturen: ah. bleh. the way the mysql stuff is configure is a bit... *****..... try dpkg -P --force-depends mysql-common |
| 17:13.58 | gpm | no need to make something |
| 17:13.59 | gpm | yet |
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| 17:14.03 | deol | gpm: oh, ok |
| 17:14.05 | bzed | Talaturen: and after that apt-get install mysql-comman |
| 17:14.06 | gpm | it's in one of the menus or something |
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| 17:14.34 | gpm | or right click the printer |
| 17:14.34 | gpm | i think you can do a test page from there |
| 17:14.34 | gpm | you can also set the printer as default that way |
| 17:14.40 | deol | gpm: if I right click I get: Jobs, make default, prop. |
| 17:14.45 | christoph__ | O Well, thanks for trying to help me. |
| 17:14.47 | christoph__ | Bye |
| 17:14.51 | gpm | deol: oh, well make it the default at least |
| 17:15.00 | deol | gpm: done |
| 17:15.04 | gpm | and then look around in gnome cups manager, maybe it's in one of the menus |
| 17:15.06 | gpm | i can't remember |
| 17:15.08 | Talaturen | bzed, I think it works now :D |
| 17:15.15 | gpm | but there *is* an option to print a test page |
| 17:15.18 | bzed | Talaturen: fine :) |
| 17:15.27 | Talaturen | now just apache and php x_x |
| 17:15.31 | deol | gpm: ok, i see it |
| 17:15.34 | deol | gpm: let me do a test page |
| 17:15.46 | bzed | Talaturen: they ususally make no trouble on reinstalling |
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| 17:16.33 | StormBlade | W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.sk.debian.org sid/contrib Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.sk.debian.org_debian-amd64_debian_dists_sid_contrib_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 Böyle bir dosya ya da dizin yok) |
| 17:16.34 | StormBlade | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 17:16.34 | gpm | deol: how's it going? |
| 17:16.39 | StormBlade | why is this |
| 17:16.43 | deol | gpm: hmm, I click on "Print a Test Page", I've got the information and nothing happens |
| 17:16.48 | Talaturen | bzed, apache2: Could not open configuration file /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: No such file or directory |
| 17:17.01 | deol | gpm: I selected A4 |
| 17:17.02 | gpm | deol: what information? |
| 17:17.17 | gpm | deol: oh, it asked you for paper size? |
| 17:17.29 | bzed | Talaturen: you need to reinstall all apache packages, as for mysql |
| 17:17.39 | bzed | Talaturen: try dpkg -l | grep apache2 |
| 17:17.42 | Talaturen | okey, how can I see all apache packages I installed? |
| 17:17.43 | Talaturen | okey |
| 17:17.47 | deol | gpm: "A4 test page has been sent to Deskjet-F300" |
| 17:17.59 | gpm | deol: oh i see, and now nothing's happening? |
| 17:17.59 | Vasistha | StormBlade: try another repository. And, btw, if you don't know what to do, you probably shouldn't be using sid. |
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| 17:18.07 | deol | gpm: no... |
| 17:18.23 | StormBlade | i cannot update apt .. i tried lots of existing repositories but it ignores all... why can that occur? |
| 17:18.27 | gpm | deol: ok, is there a printer icon in your gnome panel? |
| 17:18.34 | deol | gpm: I have several options on "Advanced" |
| 17:18.54 | deol | gpm: Below the printer in gnome panel I have 3 Jobs |
| 17:18.54 | Vasistha | StormBlade: hum, did you try http://ftp.sk.debian.org instead of ftp:// ? |
| 17:19.04 | gpm | deol: hm |
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| 17:19.17 | gpm | deol: can you check out the job status? |
| 17:19.18 | JxKolbe | i have xfce4 and my resolution is 800x600, that is the max... how can i change it so o can have other options? |
| 17:19.18 | deol | gpm: Ah, now I should right click and "jobs" |
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| 17:19.21 | StormBlade | Vasistha yes |
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| 17:19.37 | deol | gpm: let me try |
| 17:19.42 | StormBlade | Vasistha, i have amd64 and tried here: http://amd64.debian.net/README.mirrors.html |
| 17:19.58 | edwin_quijada | How can I get the hh:mm:ss from a timestamp |
| 17:20.08 | Vasistha | StormBlade: you *have* run apt-get update, right? |
| 17:20.13 | StormBlade | yes |
| 17:20.20 | fabricio | i need help . i want to configure nsca from nagios ???? |
| 17:20.20 | StormBlade | Vasistha, YES |
| 17:20.25 | gordboy | edwin_quijada: date -d @timestamp |
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| 17:20.46 | deol | gpm: after I click on "Jobs" i get a window with all 3 jobs, I canceled other 2 and I have one more left and it says: "State: Stoppped: job-stopped" |
| 17:20.54 | gpm | StormBlade: you could try another mirror...change your sources.list and see...maybe it's just the mirror. |
| 17:21.05 | StormBlade | Vasistha, it says could'nt stat.... no such file or directory .... but i know that there is a repository.. i looked from the web |
| 17:21.12 | gpm | deol: maybe you can right click the job and start the job? |
| 17:21.20 | StormBlade | gpm no i have tried lots of repositories |
| 17:21.29 | gpm | StormBlade: all with that same error? |
| 17:21.40 | deol | gpm: I can't... |
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| 17:21.54 | StormBlade | gpm unfortunately yes.. |
| 17:22.01 | fabricio | ANYBODY CAH HELP ME?????? |
| 17:22.01 | Talaturen | bzed, thanks alot for helping me I got it all to work now and hopefully I'll get phpMyAdmin to work the right way now :P |
| 17:22.03 | gpm | StormBlade: sounds like something wrong on your end then |
| 17:22.05 | deol | gpm: paper size is set to A4 |
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| 17:22.14 | Vasistha | !tell fabricio -about ask |
| 17:22.24 | deol | gpm: and in Advanced, "PageRegion: A4" |
| 17:22.25 | gpm | deol: don't think that's the problem...though it could be. but i think if your jobs are stopped, you need to start them |
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| 17:22.59 | fabricio | i need to configure nsca in the nagios server |
| 17:23.04 | helo_ | more cloning questions ;) |
| 17:23.07 | bzed | Talaturen: you're welcome |
| 17:23.09 | StormBlade | gpm: what can i do ? |
| 17:23.21 | deol | gpm: hmm and I have: "Resolution, Quality, Ink Type and Media Type: "Controlled by 'printout mode' and then I have a list |
| 17:23.23 | gpm | deol: so you found that window that lists your jobs, right? |
| 17:23.26 | helo_ | is it possible to dd if=/dev/hda1 of=somefile.img if /dev/hda1 is mounted rw? |
| 17:23.30 | gpm | deol: let's not worry about thatyet |
| 17:23.31 | deol | gpm: yea |
| 17:23.37 | Vasistha | fabricio: yeah, we saw that before. why don't you give us more details as to what you have done so far; if there are any errors and what they are; etc. |
| 17:23.37 | Talaturen | bzed, you have time to help me getting phpMyAdmin to work too? I don't want to mess up again :p |
| 17:23.40 | deol | gpm: ok |
| 17:23.44 | gpm | deol: ok, go to that window and select the stopped test page job |
| 17:23.57 | gpm | and look around the menus and buttons, look if there's a way to start the job from there |
| 17:23.58 | Vasistha | helo_: I believe that's possible, yes |
| 17:24.08 | gordboy | helo_: sure, but somefile.img wants to be on another partition .... |
| 17:24.17 | helo_ | yes, that's understandable :) |
| 17:24.28 | Vasistha | helo_: what are you doing, backing up the mbr or something? |
| 17:24.37 | deol | gpm: I double click on that job but I don't have nothing |
| 17:24.59 | gordboy | edwin_quijada: you're welcome. don't mention it |
| 17:25.00 | gpm | deol: just select the job (single-click it) and then look around the menus and stuff in that window...see if there's an option to start the job |
| 17:25.09 | fabricio | i know that i have to do 2 scripts but i dont know the context of the script |
| 17:25.11 | deol | gpm: ohh, ok |
| 17:25.42 | deol | gpm: still nothing |
| 17:26.01 | bzed | Talaturen: I think you should read the documentation ;) and configure mysql in the proper way first :) |
| 17:26.01 | gpm | deol: huh....ok. let's ditch gnome-cups-manager. go to localhost:631 in your web browser |
| 17:26.05 | deol | gpm: maybe I have to push a button on my printer |
| 17:26.13 | gpm | deol: if a light is flashing |
| 17:26.15 | gpm | that could be it |
| 17:26.21 | fabricio | i know that i have to do 2 scripts but i dont know the context of the script |
| 17:26.23 | StormBlade | gpm: http://rafb.net/p/f17yKH15.html |
| 17:26.32 | deol | gpm: let me take a look on the printer |
| 17:26.34 | StormBlade | gpm: http://rafb.net/p/f17yKH15.html it is always the same |
| 17:26.35 | gpm | if it's just sitting there, doing *nothing* then it's probably your comptuer |
| 17:26.36 | gpm | k |
| 17:27.34 | gpm | StormBlade: well, it is sid, on a new port...it might just be broken. but i don't know. sorry! |
| 17:27.49 | gpm | anyone else here using sid on amd64? |
| 17:27.58 | gpm | !tell me about anyone |
| 17:28.03 | StormBlade | gpm, if it is a problem of apt config in my computer can i rebuild the congif of apt with any command? |
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| 17:28.19 | gpm | StormBlade: nano /etc/apt/sources.list ...that's the only way i know |
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| 17:28.45 | gpm | StormBlade: oh i know what...open up that file |
| 17:28.53 | gpm | StormBlade: in nano or vim or whatever |
| 17:29.00 | StormBlade | gpm ok done |
| 17:29.03 | Vasistha | StormBlade: you want want to verify that wget works correctly. |
| 17:29.06 | gpm | StormBlade: show me one of your lines |
| 17:29.21 | gpm | Vasistha: i think he just has a malformed deb line in sources.list |
| 17:29.23 | StormBlade | deb ftp://ftp.es.debian.org/debian-amd64/debian/ sid main contrib |
| 17:29.26 | debianer | how to change volume with shortcuts with KDE? |
| 17:29.28 | gpm | aw |
| 17:29.28 | fabricio | i have had problemas with nagios plugins nsca ... |
| 17:29.30 | StormBlade | the only line for now |
| 17:29.31 | gpm | it's not that |
| 17:29.34 | gpm | :P |
| 17:29.50 | deol | gpm: Its working! |
| 17:29.57 | deol | gpm: thanks a lot mate |
| 17:30.01 | gpm | deol: np |
| 17:30.19 | deol | gpm: have to go now, take care and thanks again ;) |
| 17:30.24 | gpm | deol: np |
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| 17:30.33 | gpm | i had a rough time with printers too |
| 17:30.40 | StormBlade | gpm, so any mistakes in the sources ?? |
| 17:30.47 | gpm | StormBlade: no |
| 17:30.51 | gpm | i wish it were that easy |
| 17:31.02 | gpm | StormBlade: that's all you have in there, right? |
| 17:31.07 | StormBlade | yes |
| 17:31.11 | StormBlade | nothing more |
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| 17:31.45 | gpm | oh...look here ftp://ftp.es.debian.org/debian-amd64/debian/dists/ |
| 17:31.49 | gpm | there's no sid |
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| 17:31.56 | StormBlade | really? |
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| 17:32.26 | StormBlade | hmm . so no sid for amd64? |
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| 17:32.26 | fabricio | anybody knows nagios? |
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| 17:32.47 | gpm | StormBlade: no, i bet there is |
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| 17:32.51 | gpm | we just need to figure it out |
| 17:33.22 | StormBlade | http://amd64.debian.net/README.mirrors.html gpm there is the amd64 rep list |
| 17:33.25 | pegue | which is the best wat to share my desktop remotely? i've heard about freeNX... |
| 17:33.42 | fabricio | D |
| 17:33.43 | vchrizz | how/where do i set the key-delay and -repetition in gnome terminal? i cant find any similar option at profiles.. |
| 17:33.48 | gpm | StormBlade: that might've changed now that amd is an official port |
| 17:34.19 | StormBlade | gpm all the same .. |
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| 17:34.35 | Vasistha | vchrizz: it's more likely a function of key delay and repetition for all of gnome, rather than just the terminal |
| 17:34.37 | StormBlade | gpm what is stinkypete |
| 17:34.54 | gpm | StormBlade: no idea...looky here though: ftp://ftp.es.debian.org/debian/dists/sid |
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| 17:34.57 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 17:35.04 | gpm | it's in there with i386 and other "standard ports" |
| 17:35.12 | HardDisk_WP | how can I tell dpkg-buildpackage to pass certain arguments to the configure file?? |
| 17:35.19 | Vasistha | pegue: the best way is probably ssh tunneling. There's a factoid for that, lemme see if I can figure out what it is |
| 17:35.22 | HardDisk_WP | the man page doesnt state about anything |
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| 17:35.53 | StormBlade | gpm , can i use i386 packages in my machine |
| 17:36.01 | vchrizz | Vasistha: ah ok, then ill search in system settings... |
| 17:36.02 | unlink | how do i set it up so that when i plug in my ethernet cable, a dhcp lease request is sent? |
| 17:36.16 | Vasistha | unlink: check out the ifplugd package |
| 17:36.17 | yopyop | ifplugd |
| 17:36.21 | gpm | StormBlade: i think so...i don't really know anything about amd64 though |
| 17:36.28 | unlink | oh, thanks |
| 17:36.29 | gpm | surely someone in here is on amd64 besides StormBlade |
| 17:36.44 | vchrizz | Vasistha: right! found in system-settings-keyboard ;) thx |
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| 17:36.55 | yopyop | unlink, conf ifplugd to do an ifup on plug |
| 17:37.15 | Nomsky | I have a small problem with debian 4 installer, it can't find my regular IDE dvd drive |
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| 17:37.27 | Vasistha | !tell pegue about vnc setup |
| 17:37.32 | StormBlade | gpm , hey it is working now |
| 17:37.39 | gpm | StormBlade: no changes? |
| 17:37.39 | Nomsky | any suggestion ? ( I don't have a floppy drive ) |
| 17:37.48 | HardDisk_WP | how can I tell dpkg-buildpackage or the debian/ files to pass certain arguments to the configure file? |
| 17:38.04 | StormBlade | gpm , i have changed sources like: http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ |
| 17:38.06 | Vasistha | Nomsky: is your bios set up to boot from the drive? |
| 17:38.07 | gpm | HardDisk_WP: isn't that like, debian/control? |
| 17:38.10 | Nomsky | yes |
| 17:38.13 | StormBlade | gpm, and it is now upgrading |
| 17:38.23 | gpm | StormBlade: yeah, i figured that would work since amd is official now |
| 17:38.25 | Nomsky | it boots the installer fine |
| 17:38.33 | gpm | StormBlade: have fun |
| 17:38.40 | HardDisk_WP | gpm, no |
| 17:38.40 | gpm | StormBlade: install apt-listbugs if you're using sid |
| 17:38.45 | Nomsky | and I get to a certain point, then it claims it can find the drive |
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| 17:38.53 | pegue | i'm conected through vnc now, to a remote debian box, but it's a little 'laggy' |
| 17:39.15 | Vasistha | pegue: try changing the color depth, that'll save you quite a bit of bandwidth |
| 17:39.16 | abrotman | Nomsky: which controller ? |
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| 17:39.30 | gpm | HardDisk_WP: maybe something in etc then. wish i knew more. i'll shut up now. |
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| 17:39.38 | pegue | yes, i've set it to 16 |
| 17:39.47 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: AFAIK .. the rules files |
| 17:39.50 | abrotman | erm .. file |
| 17:39.50 | Vasistha | pegue: try 8 |
| 17:40.03 | gpm | there we go |
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| 17:40.43 | pegue | i'll test some photo-editors, so less than 16 is not good |
| 17:41.37 | Nomsky | abrotman: ide cdrom |
| 17:41.54 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, that's a makefile for packages which dont have a configure script.. |
| 17:42.04 | abrotman | Nomsky: i meant which controller is it attached to .. how old is the machine ? |
| 17:42.07 | Nomsky | abrotman: if that's what you meant |
| 17:42.13 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: ask #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
| 17:42.27 | pegue | vasistha: thanks for the interest |
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| 17:42.38 | Nomsky | it's brand new, intel mobo/chipset , sata raid1 |
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| 17:43.00 | Nomsky | but ide for the dvd drive |
| 17:43.02 | Vasistha | pegue: np. desktop sharing is pretty bandwidth-heavy |
| 17:43.08 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, k |
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| 17:43.31 | pegue | yes :( |
| 17:43.56 | pegue | but if freenx is gpl, why it is not in the debian repository? |
| 17:44.24 | abrotman | you didn't package it yet? |
| 17:44.32 | Nomsky | no |
| 17:44.37 | gpm | someone hasn't packaged it yet |
| 17:44.40 | abrotman | Nomsky: that wans't for you |
| 17:44.43 | gpm | though you could! |
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| 17:44.50 | abrotman | Nomsky: can you put it in Legacy mode in the bios maybe ? |
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| 17:44.59 | abrotman | Nomsky: this is the etch installer .. right ? |
| 17:45.10 | Nomsky | aye, debian 4 |
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| 17:45.35 | Nomsky | if i use legacy, I can't set raid for sata |
| 17:46.09 | abrotman | is it actual hardware RAID ? |
| 17:46.14 | Nomsky | yes |
| 17:46.20 | abrotman | ich8 ? |
| 17:46.59 | lepine | hey, uhm, how come that `top` shows mysqld bursting @ 10-30% CPU usage ... while `ps aux` shows the same below 1% value? |
| 17:47.09 | lepine | do both apps not use the same reporting method? |
| 17:47.34 | Gathond | lepine probably not as top is using it as a rolling average and ps is just an instant value |
| 17:48.00 | lepine | top refreshes every second ... and i'm doing the same with ps |
| 17:48.02 | lepine | ah! |
| 17:48.24 | lepine | then how can i access this average ... i want to store it somewhere and graph it at some point |
| 17:48.42 | lepine | ps aux, run every second has been showing 0.7% for the past 5 minutes |
| 17:52.41 | Nomsky | dunno |
| 17:54.19 | Nomsky | wonder if debian supports this mobo at all |
| 17:55.06 | dkr | lepine: you could read the number of milliseconds from /proc/stat yourself, read it again later, divide the difference by time elapsed |
| 17:55.42 | cusco | is it possible to use grep with a reverse command |
| 17:55.43 | cusco | like |
| 17:55.43 | dkr | /proc/stat would be for total cpu use, actually, you'd need /proc/(mysql process id)/stat for individual process |
| 17:55.48 | cusco | don't grep |
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| 17:56.05 | dkr | grep -v |
| 17:56.32 | lepine | dkr, ah, thanks for the tip |
| 17:57.20 | abrotman | !kmuto |
| 17:57.21 | dpkg | For sarge with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 17:57.36 | abrotman | Nomsky: maybe try one of the updated sarge installers .. they have newer kernels than the etchi nstaller |
| 17:57.42 | abrotman | Nomsky: or ask #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net |
| 17:57.47 | Vasistha | cusco: ''man grep'' is a pretty good read |
| 17:57.54 | abrotman | FSVO pretty good |
| 17:58.40 | cusco | yes.. |
| 17:58.46 | cusco | thanks dkr |
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| 17:59.30 | cusco | ah... and can I use the same grep to grep two different expressions |
| 17:59.37 | cusco | like a OR |
| 17:59.45 | cusco | or must I pipe trough a second grep? |
| 18:00.26 | azeem | extended regexps can do that |
| 18:00.29 | abrotman | egrep |
| 18:00.57 | spheard | is sarge 3.1? |
| 18:01.04 | azeem | spheard: yes |
| 18:01.11 | spheard | sweet |
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| 18:02.23 | Vasistha | cusco: what are the two expressions? |
| 18:02.34 | dkr | cusco: grep -v -e foo -e bar |
| 18:02.38 | tarzeau | !FSVO |
| 18:02.38 | dpkg | hmm... fsvo is For Some Values Of. For Small Values Of |
| 18:02.41 | dkr | cusco: just read the man page and you wills ee this |
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| 18:03.30 | spheard | who looks after dpkg? |
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| 18:03.42 | tommyq | Hello! Could somebody help me with xserver malfunction? |
| 18:04.04 | loesh|home | !somebody |
| 18:04.05 | dpkg | somebody said somebody was a person , who has a body |
| 18:04.11 | loesh|home | !anyone |
| 18:04.12 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 18:04.45 | tommyq | loesh: Sorry by my English |
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| 18:05.21 | abrotman | tommyq: just ask |
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| 18:05.40 | loesh|home | tommyq, i didnt pick on your english.. as abrotman said.. just ask.. |
| 18:05.57 | msn | dont ask to ask, just ask |
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| 18:08.47 | piztek3 | is there a system tray icon for evolution? |
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| 18:11.17 | dkr | msn: or just leave because no one replied "yes", apparently. ;) |
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| 18:12.14 | dkr | piztek3: like an icon of a darwin fish? |
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| 18:13.06 | piztek3 | like the gaim tray icon |
| 18:13.10 | piztek3 | system tray |
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| 18:13.29 | piztek3 | bah, i don't see them |
| 18:13.37 | piztek3 | one* |
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| 18:13.59 | gpm | pidgin |
| 18:14.20 | piztek3 | i don't see gaim called pidgin anywhere |
| 18:14.27 | |HellTiger| | when i use kde kvirc traynotesystem overlay quake3/splashdamage games. with windowmanager wmii its not the same. what can i doo ? |
| 18:14.32 | Seb | doesn't aptitude have "source" like apt-get does ? |
| 18:14.36 | Vasistha | piztek3: well, on wikipedia you'll be able to find it :) |
| 18:14.45 | piztek3 | a debian package? |
| 18:14.56 | gpm | or just go to gaim.sf.net |
| 18:15.09 | gpm | it's in sid |
| 18:15.15 | gpm | !info pidgin |
| 18:15.24 | piztek3 | sucks they took the name back, was such a good name |
| 18:15.25 | dpkg | pidgin: (multi-protocol instant messaging client), section net, is optional. Version: 2.0.0+dfsg.1-4 (sid), Packaged size: 1718 kB, Installed size: 4840 kB |
| 18:15.31 | Daveman | hello, goodbye. |
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| 18:15.41 | piztek3 | do I need the source? |
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| 18:15.54 | gpm | piztek3: for pidgin? no |
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| 18:17.03 | piztek3 | so I must compile? |
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| 18:17.04 | gpm | piztek3: oh, you want to use pidgin? |
| 18:17.04 | piztek3 | yes |
| 18:17.04 | gpm | you could upgrade to sid |
| 18:17.04 | gpm | what are you on? |
| 18:17.04 | gpm | testing? |
| 18:17.04 | gpm | stable? |
| 18:17.04 | piztek3 | i'm on sid |
| 18:17.05 | gpm | oh |
| 18:17.05 | gpm | just apt-get install pidgin |
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| 18:17.05 | piztek3 | should i close gaim? |
| 18:17.13 | piztek3 | brb |
| 18:17.13 | centrx | doesn't matter |
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| 18:17.14 | gpm | if you like |
| 18:17.22 | gpm | oh he uses gaim for irc |
| 18:17.25 | gpm | silly man |
| 18:17.30 | centrx | heh |
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| 18:17.56 | gpm | i guess it's sorta cool to have *all* conversations in one window |
| 18:18.00 | Vasistha | gpm: we generally don't recommend that people move to sid. See for example: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 18:18.23 | spheard | I used to use gaim |
| 18:18.26 | gpm | Vasistha: yeah i know. lucky for me he was already on sid though |
| 18:18.30 | bzed | gaim rocks, but irc in gaim sucks |
| 18:18.32 | spheard | It was pretty good, tho pidgins better |
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| 18:18.41 | dkr | heh |
| 18:18.42 | piztek3 | no pidgin in repos |
| 18:18.51 | piztek3 | i even searched with synaptic |
| 18:18.51 | gpm | piztek3: then you're not on sid |
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| 18:19.06 | gpm | packages.debian.org/pidgin ...it's in there |
| 18:19.08 | dkr | spheard: just like iceweasel is better than firefox? :) |
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| 18:19.23 | gpm | i kinda like the iceweasel icon better |
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| 18:19.42 | Vasistha | the iceweasel humping icon is pretty nice :) |
| 18:19.55 | piztek3 | back, sorry, yeah it's not in repos |
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| 18:20.01 | gpm | yes it is |
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| 18:20.06 | gpm | pacakges.debian.org/pidgin |
| 18:20.14 | haxality | hi, I was wondering how to enable fat16 read/write support in gparted |
| 18:20.15 | piztek3 | add that to repos? |
| 18:20.15 | bzed | $ apt-show-versions -a pidgin | grep unstable |
| 18:20.15 | bzed | pidgin 2.0.0+dfsg.1-4 unstable |
| 18:20.18 | purplepenguins | it's not in etch |
| 18:20.20 | spheard | whats all this about debian and firefox? |
| 18:20.23 | purplepenguins | but it is there |
| 18:20.25 | spheard | ?!? |
| 18:20.27 | gpm | it's only in sid |
| 18:20.27 | wols_ | piztek3: apt-cache policy libc6 |
| 18:20.33 | cydork | purplepenguins: it wont be in etch ever. |
| 18:20.35 | Vasistha | piztek3: ...you really should not be using sid. have you read the sid faq? |
| 18:20.36 | wols_ | piztek3: paste that (not here!) |
| 18:20.41 | purplepenguins | why not? |
| 18:20.42 | Vasistha | !tell piztek3 about sid faq |
| 18:21.07 | cydork | purplepenguins: etch stable. no more upgrade except security fixes. |
| 18:21.09 | gpm | now i remember why we advise to not use sid |
| 18:21.15 | purplepenguins | shoot, I forgot |
| 18:21.31 | purplepenguins | well, I'm using lenny anyway |
| 18:21.45 | purplepenguins | I compiled pidgin by hand, easy stuf |
| 18:21.47 | piztek3 | http://pastebin.ca/509924 |
| 18:21.52 | purplepenguins | it's somewhat unstable though |
| 18:22.02 | wols_ | purplepenguins: because people are overconfident and doN't know nearly as much as they think they do |
| 18:22.16 | piztek3 | why doesn't iceweasel steal focus sometimes? |
| 18:22.21 | tarzeau | does someone have a quake1/2 .pak file unpacker with source? |
| 18:22.23 | haxality | even if I can't get FAT16 working in gparted, can someone tell me how to do a low-level fat16 format |
| 18:22.26 | wols_ | piztek3: you arenot on sid |
| 18:22.31 | Heston | man, whos smart ass idea was it to name gaim pidgin |
| 18:22.36 | wols_ | haxality: dosfstools |
| 18:22.37 | piztek3 | wols_: I'm not? |
| 18:22.42 | piztek3 | I'm on lenny? |
| 18:22.45 | tarzeau | haxality: you can use mkfs.vfat for it |
| 18:22.49 | haxality | Heston: uhh.. AOL sued gaim |
| 18:22.49 | gpm | Heston: i think they had to for legal reasons |
| 18:22.51 | piztek3 | lenny is not sid? |
| 18:22.52 | gpm | not be gaim |
| 18:22.54 | wols_ | dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1 |
| 18:22.54 | dpkg | No packages found matching libc6 |tail -1 |
| 18:22.57 | purplepenguins | Pidgin is the name of a language in Papua New Guinea |
| 18:22.59 | piztek3 | i thought it was lenny/sid |
| 18:23.01 | Vasistha | piztek3: your sources.list should be able to tell you. And no, they are not the same. |
| 18:23.02 | Heston | they could of named it many things |
| 18:23.04 | tarzeau | piztek3: no |
| 18:23.05 | wols_ | it will tell you the version is 2.3.6.ds1-13 |
| 18:23.06 | cydork | purplepenguins: and it wont be available for lenny for a while. |
| 18:23.07 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 18:23.08 | dpkg | it has been said that sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 18:23.10 | purplepenguins | also they couldn't use Gaim because of trademark or copyright issues |
| 18:23.11 | piztek3 | i'll change them, brb |
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| 18:23.15 | haxality | I like pidgin, actually |
| 18:23.17 | Vasistha | piztek3: NO! |
| 18:23.21 | purplepenguins | I like it too |
| 18:23.23 | Vasistha | piztek3: STAY ON LENNY |
| 18:23.23 | piztek3 | Vasistha: why? |
| 18:23.24 | Heston | lets name gaim something you'll be embarrased to use |
| 18:23.33 | piztek3 | it's not stable enough yet? |
| 18:23.34 | purplepenguins | do not use unstable |
| 18:23.35 | Vasistha | piztek3: read the sid faq. It's been linked twice for you |
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| 18:23.45 | haxality | Heston: you mean to tell me you went around bragging about using gaim? |
| 18:23.48 | wols_ | piztek3: cause you are unfit for sid. when (not if) it breaks you will have a broken system |
| 18:23.49 | haxality | ;P |
| 18:23.53 | Heston | haxality, no? |
| 18:23.55 | spheard | dkr: spheard: just like iceweasel is better than firefox? - very droll |
| 18:24.01 | purplepenguins | pidgin is a cool new |
| 18:24.02 | haxality | then why does it matter? |
| 18:24.03 | purplepenguins | name |
| 18:24.08 | tommyq | I had to move my Debian to another HDD and I chose new installation... after that my X.org 7.1.1 didn't start and LCD displayed "Input Not Supported". My settings > http://tommyq.wz.cz/xorg.conf and log > http://tommyq.wz.cz/Xorg.0.log |
| 18:24.12 | Heston | because its lame as hell |
| 18:24.13 | piztek3 | okay i'll wait |
| 18:24.19 | wols_ | purplepenguins: it's the same totally shit program unfortunately |
| 18:24.26 | Heston | they even use a picture of a pidgin for the logo... |
| 18:24.31 | Vasistha | piztek3: read the sid faq. Do you want me to give you the link again? |
| 18:24.58 | purplepenguins | unstable never gets stable |
| 18:25.08 | piztek3 | gaim's window system doesn't match that of evolution or anything else |
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| 18:25.37 | purplepenguins | I can't find a better IM client for Linux though |
| 18:25.47 | Heston | or even windows |
| 18:25.49 | purplepenguins | that can do the same things |
| 18:25.52 | haxality | isn't the whole point of having multiple software packages that you can pick and choose instead of fighting over stuff? |
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| 18:26.03 | piztek3 | evolution needs to match the looks of nautilus browser |
| 18:26.06 | haxality | and I agree, gaim/pidgin is awesome |
| 18:26.19 | purplepenguins | Kopete can, I think, but I don't want any KDE crap that I don't need |
| 18:26.35 | Heston | we must have bad lawyers if we lost that lawsuit |
| 18:26.38 | Vasistha | I'm a KDE guy, and I've never been fond of kopete :P |
| 18:26.46 | Heston | pretty rediculous if you ask me |
| 18:26.49 | Vasistha | gaim's just better |
| 18:27.05 | Heston | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:27.32 | Vasistha | Heston: I'd say it's more a function of monetary resources. What does it matter, anyway? I'm glad a settlement was reached. |
| 18:27.49 | purplepenguins | I think that Pidgin, though silly, is a better name |
| 18:28.24 | Heston | Vasistha, it's the fact that AOL made an issue where there wasnt one |
| 18:28.27 | HardDisk_WP | does anyone know a program which can monitor what goes via ttyS0? I want to reverse engineer the protocol of my USRobotics thing |
| 18:28.39 | HardDisk_WP | there is no linux software for it :( |
| 18:28.40 | Heston | who even uses aim anymore |
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| 18:28.50 | sepski | HardDisk_WP, perhaps ttysnoop |
| 18:28.56 | HardDisk_WP | thx |
| 18:29.00 | Vasistha | HardDisk_WP: you should hang out in a development chan :) |
| 18:29.03 | gpm | i don't think sid is so bad if you install and *use* apt-listbugs |
| 18:29.14 | purplepenguins | I use AIM, because it is what everyone else does |
| 18:29.27 | gpm | assuming you can upgrade to it nicelly |
| 18:29.31 | Heston | you mean you use the aim protocol, i doubt you actually use aim |
| 18:29.42 | HardDisk_WP | Vasistha, *g* |
| 18:29.46 | piztek3 | so evolution doesn't have a systray icon? |
| 18:30.07 | dkr | HardDisk_WP: what is a usrobotics "thing"? |
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| 18:30.20 | Vasistha | piztek3: looks like noone in here knows. |
| 18:30.20 | Mustang_Matt | What file does debian store all the startup messages in? |
| 18:30.30 | tommyq | piztek3: Use alltray :) |
| 18:30.43 | piztek3 | tommyq: i couldn't find it in repos |
| 18:30.50 | centrx | Mustang_Matt, startup on Linux (except Slackware) is done in /etc/init.d |
| 18:30.51 | rahul | Mustang_Matt: there's /var/log/kern.log and /var/log/boot.log |
| 18:31.02 | cahoot | Mustang_Matt: if you enabled bootlogd |
| 18:31.06 | rahul | centrx: and ubuntu, but that's not what he asked |
| 18:31.07 | tommyq | piztek3: You can build it :) |
| 18:31.14 | sepski | Mustang_Matt, try 'dmesg' |
| 18:31.29 | cerridwen | #random_channel |
| 18:31.31 | cerridwen | o_O |
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| 18:31.39 | cerridwen | excuse me |
| 18:31.42 | Mustang_Matt | I tried dmesg |
| 18:31.42 | cerridwen | not my day |
| 18:31.43 | piztek3 | tommyq: but it won't show me if i have new mail in systray |
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| 18:32.04 | loesh|home | hmm, what would be a good way to install emacs 22 on etch? |
| 18:32.07 | Mustang_Matt | I want to see all the warnings that were displayed during bootup on the console screen. I'm checking the other mentioned logs now. |
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| 18:32.23 | loesh|home | should i just grab the src and compile it and ignore the package manager? |
| 18:32.45 | purplepenguins | Is this a new version of emacs? |
| 18:32.56 | rahul | loesh|home: have you checked experimental? |
| 18:32.57 | Vasistha | loesh|home: /msg dpkg about <dpkg-buildpackage> <backports> <simple sid backport> |
| 18:33.11 | rahul | I think they started putting snapshots in there |
| 18:33.13 | tommyq | piztek3: Try http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Evolution_Tray_icon_Mail_pop-ups |
| 18:33.17 | gpm | he's on etch |
| 18:33.20 | Mustang_Matt | Is there any log that logs exactly what was going to the console screen such as services starting up, etc? |
| 18:33.23 | Vasistha | loesh|home: in this case, it looks like you'll need to do a "simple experimental backport" |
| 18:33.32 | gpm | do you really want to install an experimental package on etch? |
| 18:33.33 | loesh|home | rahul, ahh.. ill check it out.. |
| 18:33.37 | loesh|home | Vasistha, ok thnx :) |
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| 18:34.20 | loesh|home | gpm, well hopefully an experimental emacs wont break anything.. but posibly the emacs itself.. |
| 18:34.30 | gpm | this is my concern |
| 18:34.35 | loesh|home | and well since i want v22 ill just have to live with that.. |
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| 18:34.43 | gpm | that's true |
| 18:34.54 | gpm | good attitude :) |
| 18:34.58 | loesh|home | hehe .) |
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| 18:35.43 | piztek3 | If I have a web server can I put my calendar on the web? |
| 18:35.59 | piztek3 | in evolution? |
| 18:36.38 | abrotman | with ical maybe |
| 18:36.46 | drako | piztek3, yes you can |
| 18:36.55 | abrotman | or caldav or whatever it is called |
| 18:37.00 | piztek3 | drako: how? |
| 18:37.12 | abrotman | though i think it's really the other way around .. you put your calendar on the web and evo accesses it |
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| 18:38.16 | piztek3 | will it save and everything? |
| 18:38.37 | tommyq | Could anyone help with malfunctioned xserver? > http://tommyq.wz.cz/xorg.conf http://tommyq.wz.cz/Xorg.0.log |
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| 18:39.11 | abrotman | tommyq: what part isn't working ? |
| 18:39.39 | piztek3 | will the caldav or webcalendars save? |
| 18:39.57 | tommyq | abrotman: Start :D My LCD displayed "Input Not Supported" |
| 18:40.02 | Mustang_Matt | Alright I enabled bootlogd. We'll see how that goes. |
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| 18:40.08 | abrotman | huh ? |
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| 18:40.15 | abrotman | tommyq: is this a PC or a Mac ? |
| 18:40.21 | tommyq | abrotman: PC |
| 18:40.31 | abrotman | tommyq: you're running Kanotix .. not debian |
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| 18:40.39 | wols_ | tommyq: change resolution and/or frequency |
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| 18:42.20 | tommyq | abrotman: No, I tryed something over the chroot |
| 18:42.47 | gpm | oh snap! |
| 18:43.29 | wols_ | tommyq: come back when you're out of the chroot |
| 18:43.40 | gpm | i think he is |
| 18:44.12 | tommyq | abrotman: There is the good log now > http://tommyq.wz.cz/Xorg.0.log |
| 18:44.18 | gpm | i think he tried kanotix's xorg.conf because it "just worked" |
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| 18:44.54 | gpm | i'm probably wrong though |
| 18:45.10 | opapo | my dhcp server isn't starting properly |
| 18:45.26 | opapo | I get: No subnet declaration for eth0 (205.118.116.201) |
| 18:45.49 | wols_ | tommyq: I already told you what to do |
| 18:46.26 | tommyq | wols_: If the settings of freq./resol. is correct? |
| 18:46.42 | wols_ | tommyq: your xorg log shows clearly they aren't |
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| 18:47.00 | wols_ | (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) |
| 18:47.19 | ma3x | when I encode from DVD to x264, should I rescale, or leave the original resolution? |
| 18:47.38 | wols_ | why would you want to rescale? |
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| 18:48.26 | ma3x | wols_, I don't know. many people do |
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| 18:48.43 | ma3x | why they rescale? I don't know |
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| 18:49.38 | abrotman | it's still kanotix |
| 18:50.05 | ma3x | abrotman, what do you mean? |
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| 18:50.11 | bpun | hi |
| 18:50.19 | bpun | what's up folks? |
| 18:50.22 | abrotman | ma3x: not you .. i don't support you anymore |
| 18:50.24 | abrotman | :) |
| 18:50.27 | ma3x | bpun, nothing much |
| 18:50.41 | ma3x | abrotman, fine I got no problem with that |
| 18:51.41 | ma3x | abrotman, just one thing |
| 18:51.41 | abrotman | tommyq: take out the PCIBus definition |
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| 18:51.42 | bpun | anyone knows the limit for # of entries for a directory in ext2? |
| 18:52.15 | abrotman | wikipedia might |
| 18:52.52 | bpun | abrotman, wikipedia comes close though.. i'm guessing probably more than 32256.. |
| 18:52.53 | opapo | my dhcp server says it's not configured to listen on any interface |
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| 18:53.25 | sohmestra | opapo: check /etc/defaults/ |
| 18:53.26 | opapo | I am using http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/343 as a base |
| 18:54.13 | purplepenguins | Meh |
| 18:54.18 | purplepenguins | I can't decide what laptop I want |
| 18:54.38 | gpm | the new dells with ubuntu |
| 18:54.38 | gpm | duh |
| 18:54.41 | bpun | purplepenguins, get a pctablet/laptop |
| 18:54.43 | wols_ | I just read on wikipedia that ext2 has transparent but optional compression. where would I find out more about this |
| 18:54.47 | opapo | sohmestra: I have `INTERFACES="eth0"` in the file |
| 18:54.59 | bytecolor | I'll sell ya one, a 390/X stinkpad! |
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| 18:55.02 | bpun | wols_, possibly http://www.nongnu.org/ext2-doc/ext2.html |
| 18:55.06 | Peaker | what does dh_strip -s do? |
| 18:55.10 | bolt | purplepenguins: http://www.georgehernandez.com/h/aaBlog/2005/media/03-30_Osbourne48lbLaptop.jpg |
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| 18:55.22 | bytecolor | the hinges are broke, but other than that... ;) |
| 18:55.28 | Peaker | I want to compile the mesa deb package and have source line number information so I can debug something - usually I commented out the dh_strip lines in the debian/rules. |
| 18:55.34 | Peaker | Is there a cleaner way to do this? |
| 18:57.18 | purplepenguins | I was thinking about getting an Ubuntu Dell laptop |
| 18:57.18 | sohmestra | opapo: have you restarted dhcp3-server? |
| 18:57.18 | purplepenguins | but I really like Thinkpads |
| 18:57.18 | opapo | sohmestra: the actual error is: No subnet declaration for eth0 (205.118.116.201) |
| 18:57.18 | gpm | purplepenguins: then install debian on it |
| 18:57.18 | sohmestra | opapo: ah. that's very different. |
| 18:57.19 | opapo | sorry |
| 18:57.19 | solar_ant | is there a tool that monitors for change inside a folder , which can trigger a script ? |
| 18:57.19 | purplepenguins | but the R61 is rather expensive |
| 18:57.19 | sohmestra | opapo: make sure that your subnet declaration matches the subnet that eth0 is on |
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| 18:57.20 | bpun | purplepenguins, try to get one with paravirtualization support (processor support feature) |
| 18:57.20 | gpm | purplepenguins: thinkpads historically work well with linux, right? |
| 18:57.20 | purplepenguins | compared to a similarly configured E1505 with Ubuntu |
| 18:57.21 | bytecolor | gpm, sarge found everyting on my old stinkpad |
| 18:57.21 | gpm | bytecolor: sarge? why not etch? |
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| 18:57.23 | opapo | This is in my config file: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22464/ |
| 18:57.23 | gpm | or is this an older install |
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| 18:57.45 | wols_ | bpun: found http://e2compr.sourceforge.net/ |
| 18:57.50 | purplepenguins | I'm looking at new ones |
| 18:57.57 | bytecolor | gpm I had a sarge cd I burned handy <shrug> |
| 18:58.02 | sohmestra | opapo: if you're running ubuntu, you're asking on the wrong channel |
| 18:58.08 | bytecolor | it's just a simple server, thrown in the corner |
| 18:58.24 | purplepenguins | but I could be satisfied with an old one if it was reasonably priced |
| 18:58.25 | opapo | They transferred me here |
| 18:58.32 | purplepenguins | anyway |
| 18:58.33 | bpun | wols_, so ext4 doesn't have that? |
| 18:58.38 | wols_ | opapo: we don't care what they did. we don't support ubuntu |
| 18:58.40 | opapo | the config file should be the same though right? |
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| 18:58.47 | wols_ | bpun: dunno. does it? |
| 18:59.17 | sohmestra | !ubuntu |
| 18:59.17 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 18:59.29 | wols_ | bpun: e2compr is an extrenal kernel patch |
| 18:59.53 | wols_ | opapo: the kernel file is the same on all distros. we still don#t support them |
| 18:59.56 | bpun | wols_, i thought compression was included as an option.. i never really looked into.. |
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| 19:01.27 | bpun | wols_, i think it was left out as an option because the filesystem is left open for encryption, if one would like to mount a filesystem encrypted rather than using compression alone.. |
| 19:01.31 | gpm | bytecolor: fair 'nough |
| 19:02.02 | wols_ | bpun: no. cause e2compr needs changes to lots of kernel parts |
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| 19:03.14 | bpun | wols_, is there a calcutor tool to say how much space would be saved? it would be interesting to see the results.. |
| 19:03.17 | opapo | I think that if someone knows how to configure a dhcp server, it shouldn't matter what OS their running as long as the configuration is the same it should be a courtesy to at least try to help. |
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| 19:03.25 | wols_ | compression is always dependent on type of input files |
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| 19:03.37 | wols_ | they probably use lzw (gzip) |
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| 19:05.17 | bpun | wols_, the patches seem old thogh.. |
| 19:05.19 | bkw | isnt the LZ78 algorithm used in gzip? |
| 19:05.25 | wols_ | I know :( |
| 19:06.20 | wols_ | which is why I don't like it |
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| 19:06.20 | sohmestra | opapo: There is a resource specifically for helping with ubuntu issues. This is not that resource. If your internet service is provided by Comcast, AOL won't help you, regardless of how nice they are. |
| 19:06.21 | gpm | or how similar aol is to comcast |
| 19:06.21 | wols_ | opapo: you've got your answer now go. please respect the rules of this channel |
| 19:06.21 | gpm | and we're not even charging for support! |
| 19:06.48 | wols_ | bpun: trouble is, it's perfect for what I want |
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| 19:07.13 | bpun | wols_, do encryption mounts work well.. like truecrypt? |
| 19:07.26 | dkr | opapo: generic channels like ##linux are for generic non-distro specific linux questions, :) |
| 19:07.29 | wols_ | bpun: what do you haev with encryption? |
| 19:07.53 | gpm | dkr: too late |
| 19:08.52 | bpun | wols_, i thought compression and encryption go hand-in-hand.. it would be difficult to retrieve things if decompression fails |
| 19:08.57 | dkr | gpm: ah. I filter all join/part/quit spam, so I miss someone occasionally. well worth the higher signal to noise ratio, though. :) |
| 19:09.18 | gpm | dkr: you shouldn't've been able to tab-complete his nick... |
| 19:09.21 | tommyq | abrotman: Unfortunetly I kicked my restart button... but I tried boot Debian with specific frequency and without PCI Bus settings and it still doesn't work... any idea? |
| 19:09.33 | dkr | gpm: I guess I typed too slowly |
| 19:09.35 | jensens | i installed a debian etch using debbootstrap. no i booted into the system, but i dont have any /dev/sda* and so only the root fs got mounted. how do i get it mounted on etch? |
| 19:09.43 | bpun | wols_, so you use it for jail roots or something? |
| 19:10.18 | wols_ | bpun: for storing lots of text files. a library |
| 19:10.23 | tommyq | jensens: Have you got udev? |
| 19:10.48 | rahul | bpun: compression is only important for encryption because it makes the data less vulnerable to analysis |
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| 19:11.09 | jensens | tommyq: hmm, is it part of the system installed by debootstrap? if not: no. |
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| 19:11.23 | piztek3 | are there any types of notifications for email in evolution if the program is open? |
| 19:11.37 | itchi | Heh, if you have Internet at work. Do you need to need to pay the gouvernemet? Wtf, that's weird |
| 19:13.03 | itchi | I mean, the gov here want money cause you can go on the net at work. |
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| 19:13.38 | tommyq | jensens: You have to install it |
| 19:13.54 | gpm | dkr: i'll let it slide then |
| 19:14.12 | wols_ | itchi: ours does as soon as you own a computer which could go on the net |
| 19:14.31 | wols_ | right now only for radio (they wanted for tv too but the outcry of companies was too big) |
| 19:14.40 | wols_ | sooner or later they will charge for the tv part too |
| 19:14.44 | itchi | wols_: Yeah, that too |
| 19:14.46 | wols_ | and don't forget mobile phones no |
| 19:14.59 | itchi | wols_: That become realy crazy :-s |
| 19:15.00 | wols_ | itchi: you german? |
| 19:15.05 | itchi | wols_: Belgian |
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| 19:15.24 | wols_ | interesting. so it's madness not confined to our country |
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| 19:15.41 | geck` | oh wow |
| 19:15.47 | geck` | I wish I had found this channel months ago |
| 19:15.51 | gpm | wols_: where are you? |
| 19:16.01 | gpm | geck`: well, you found it |
| 19:16.01 | jensens | tommyq: thx. try it |
| 19:16.05 | geck` | indeed. |
| 19:16.06 | itchi | wols_: I find that very sad that spirit, i can not believe it, wtf |
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| 19:16.54 | gpm | deutschland |
| 19:16.55 | gpm | i guess |
| 19:16.58 | chrisjs169 | I can't seem to get 'iptables -A PREROUTING -s 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 -p tcp -j DNAT --to-destination [outside ip]' to work |
| 19:17.25 | itchi | geck`: You mean, years :-p |
| 19:17.39 | wols_ | gpm: germany |
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| 19:18.19 | itchi | wols_: I had need to sign a document that say that i not use Internet at work for personal usage |
| 19:19.07 | itchi | What's the alternative of a ssh connection, without the net? |
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| 19:19.22 | itchi | I'm missing a little thing :-s |
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| 19:19.34 | chrisjs169 | any suggestions? |
| 19:19.49 | Ronin | itchi: many companies do that, you should see the one i got to sign when the govt hired me |
| 19:19.50 | itchi | chrisjs169: Try #iptables too |
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| 19:20.03 | adj | what version of which does debian use? and what package provides it? |
| 19:20.11 | itchi | Ronin: It's my first time i got that :-s |
| 19:20.29 | piztek3 | is it possible to hide the scrollbar in gnome-terminal? |
| 19:20.35 | sepski | adj debianutils |
| 19:20.38 | itchi | Ronin: :-p |
| 19:20.47 | chrisjs169 | itchi: been in there for about two hours, no activity |
| 19:20.49 | adj | sepski: so its not a GNU binary/ |
| 19:21.01 | itchi | chrisjs169: Be patient :-) |
| 19:21.01 | sepski | adj, for future reference try dpkg -S /bin/which |
| 19:21.14 | frank | chrisjs169: quite obvious filter has no PREROUTING chain i guess you want -t nat |
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| 19:21.27 | piztek3 | found it |
| 19:21.40 | adj | sepski: thanks, my deb skills are weak, right now |
| 19:21.44 | nailtons_ | hello |
| 19:21.52 | adj | but. it isnt GNU which is it? |
| 19:21.54 | chrisjs169 | frank - I did notice that, and added that when i executed the command, but it doesn't seem to take affect (no errors) |
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| 19:23.07 | frank | chrisjs169: what do you wanna do? |
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| 19:23.42 | piztek3 | how can I make a script just launch, and not ask to launch? |
| 19:23.45 | Thoughless | hello @ll |
| 19:23.59 | Thoughless | can i speak german her ? |
| 19:24.05 | gpm | nein |
| 19:24.09 | chrisjs169 | frank: i want it to forward all traffic for the ip addresses 192.168.0.X (computers connected to this one) to go to [ip address] |
| 19:24.15 | frank | Thoughless: there's debian.de |
| 19:24.17 | gpm | piztek3: launch what? |
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| 19:24.28 | gpm | !#debian.de |
| 19:24.30 | Thoughless | ok thanks |
| 19:24.33 | gpm | !#debian-de |
| 19:24.40 | gpm | !german |
| 19:24.40 | dpkg | i guess de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 19:25.23 | chrisjs169 | frank: well, i guess not _all_ of the ip addresses, but once i get it working i can fix it |
| 19:25.26 | Talaturen | Hello, where can I get drivers to handle GL on ATIgfx? |
| 19:25.40 | danmanstx | i just tried installing debian, but when i boot into it i just get a grub terminal |
| 19:25.54 | danmanstx | any ideas on how to load debian? |
| 19:26.14 | frank | chrisjs169: i don't understand the sense, but do you enabled forwarding, do you have other forwarding rules? |
| 19:26.17 | itchi | piztek3: What do you mean? |
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| 19:27.00 | piztek3 | I forgot what I asked |
| 19:27.06 | itchi | heh |
| 19:27.09 | gpm | Talaturen: it's fglrx or something like that |
| 19:27.15 | piztek3 | oh yes |
| 19:27.24 | gpm | Talaturen: google that |
| 19:27.24 | piztek3 | i have a script that launches a wine app |
| 19:27.33 | gpm | or apt-cache search |
| 19:27.35 | gpm | even better |
| 19:27.35 | piztek3 | and when it launches it asks me, run or view, or cancel |
| 19:27.38 | itchi | danmanstx: Anyway, you have got a little glitch |
| 19:27.40 | piztek3 | how can i make it just run? |
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| 19:28.13 | chrisjs169 | frank: afaik forwarding is enabled (i can get on the 'net with computers connected to this one) and the only forwarding rules are the defaults |
| 19:28.16 | gpm | piztek3: what do you mean "just run" you run the script and the app runs |
| 19:28.20 | gpm | what's the problem? |
| 19:28.20 | itchi | piztek3: Give it 'run' permissions |
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| 19:28.31 | gpm | oh |
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| 19:28.33 | gpm | chmod +x |
| 19:28.47 | itchi | piztek3: Add the shebang at the top of that script too |
| 19:28.55 | piztek3 | itchi: where? |
| 19:28.57 | gpm | that's just if you want to execute it directly instead of calling sh or whatever |
| 19:29.06 | gpm | she bangs! |
| 19:29.07 | itchi | piztek3: What type of script is it? |
| 19:29.27 | piztek3 | i dont even know, it just launches steam with wine |
| 19:30.47 | danmanstx | any ideas on how to boot into debian, right now im loading up a live cd? is this my best course of action |
| 19:30.47 | piztek3 | so just disable read and write? |
| 19:30.48 | itchi | piztek3: You need to look and first understand what your doing; cause you can do sad things that way |
| 19:30.48 | Talaturen | gpm: can it be this? xserver-xorg-video-ati - X.Org X server -- ATI display driver |
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| 19:30.49 | itchi | piztek3: gpm told you how to give it the 'run' (execute) permissions |
| 19:31.02 | piztek3 | it has run execute permissions |
| 19:31.06 | piztek3 | but it still asks |
| 19:31.19 | piztek3 | run in terminal, display, cancel or run |
| 19:31.25 | piztek3 | i dont want it to ask |
| 19:31.29 | chrisjs169 | frank - any suggestions for getting it to work? |
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| 19:31.32 | frank | chrisjs169: the nat stuff does only the address rewriting, you have to set some forwarding rules, which take care for what you wann do |
| 19:31.37 | itchi | piztek3: I may tell to pastebin that script. It's to vague |
| 19:31.41 | chrisjs169 | frank - ok |
| 19:31.57 | rxKaffee | are there any intrusion detection systems that collaborate with apt packaga menagement for binary checksuming? |
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| 19:32.11 | chrisjs169 | frank - but wouldn't nat be rewriting the request to have it go to [ip address]? |
| 19:32.26 | gpm | Talaturen: i don't think so, but it could. i use nvidia. anyway, you could try this: http://technowizah.com/2006/10/debian-how-to-ati-drivers.html |
| 19:32.29 | bpun | rxKaffee, there's file monitors that track changes to preassigned dirs.. |
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| 19:32.37 | piztek3 | here... http://pastebin.ca/510132 |
| 19:32.37 | sutha | how can i ignore the comments and blank lines on the configuration files when i get i used cat config_file | grep -v '^[#\s]' |
| 19:33.00 | frank | chrisjs169: but you need rules in FORWARD, which do that |
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| 19:33.30 | chrisjs169 | frank - ah, ok |
| 19:33.39 | rxKaffee | bpun: that sounds like a decent start. could you point me in their general direction please?\ |
| 19:33.40 | piztek3 | itchi: http://pastebin.ca/510132 |
| 19:33.50 | piztek3 | where can I set the default browser? |
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| 19:33.58 | chrisjs169 | frank: how would i do that? |
| 19:34.14 | aldin_ | how can i disable all ethX during boot is there some argument to pass to kernel line |
| 19:34.20 | itchi | piztek3: see update-alternatives |
| 19:34.29 | piztek3 | itchi: where is that |
| 19:34.30 | itchi | piztek3: What happend if you run that exe? |
| 19:34.31 | bpun | rxKaffee, apt-cache searcg monitor|grep -i file -- or apt-catch search watch|grep -i file .. something should come.. |
| 19:34.34 | itchi | piztek3: In the cle |
| 19:34.35 | rxKaffee | aldin_: disable the net scripts from the default runlevel |
| 19:34.40 | itchi | piztek3: Oups cli |
| 19:34.41 | jae | Damn UTF-8 configuration... |
| 19:34.51 | piztek3 | command line? |
| 19:35.00 | itchi | piztek3: yes |
| 19:35.01 | aldin_ | rxKaffee: smart, but could u tell me where exactly it is |
| 19:35.12 | piztek3 | command not found |
| 19:35.18 | jae | Anyone know a thing or five about getting putty and Debian to play utf-8? |
| 19:35.22 | frank | chrisjs169: you know that private ip-addresses are not routed through the internet? |
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| 19:35.34 | chrisjs169 | frank: yeah |
| 19:35.35 | piztek3 | got it |
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| 19:35.43 | bpun | piztek3, you can update the default browser-- with update-alternatives |
| 19:35.50 | rxKaffee | aldin_: I suck at debian... but I think its something like `update-rc.d -f net.eth0 remove` |
| 19:35.53 | chovy | what's the command to update my packages? |
| 19:36.02 | piztek3 | so like update-alternatives galeon |
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| 19:36.15 | sohmestra | chovy: aptitude update; aptitude upgrade |
| 19:36.18 | piztek3 | there isn't a gui for this |
| 19:36.31 | jae | Two boxen, both look to be config'd identically, one does UTF-8, the other... misbehaves in a strange way |
| 19:36.51 | jae | And I'm on what to look for |
| 19:37.15 | chovy | sohmestra: is that same thing as apt-get update? |
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| 19:37.40 | bpun | jae, y, set your lang with locales-- dpkg-reconfigure locales if it helps.. the LANG var has to be set.. |
| 19:37.55 | jae | *lost, is of course missing in my last sentence :P |
| 19:38.02 | rxKaffee | chovy: its a fancified version of apt-get update I believe |
| 19:38.09 | piztek3 | how do i update alternatives for galeon |
| 19:38.10 | chovy | rxKaffee: thanks |
| 19:38.12 | rxKaffee | something about more advanced dependency checking or something |
| 19:38.18 | sohmestra | chovy: yeah, mostly. |
| 19:38.20 | chovy | how do i tell which distro i'm running? |
| 19:38.31 | sohmestra | chovy: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 19:38.38 | bpun | piztek3, man update-alternatives, there's many alternatives for programs.. galeon is not listed as an alternative |
| 19:39.02 | sohmestra | chovy: I assume you mean "which debian version", rather than "which distribution" |
| 19:39.03 | jae | Both boxen have no LANG var set, one does umlauts in zsh, the other doesn't (and it's not zsh, because readline in python is equally confused... on *one* box but not on the other) |
| 19:39.07 | bpun | piztek3, (it can be linked as an alternative, but it's not the label used for web browsers) |
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| 19:39.22 | chovy | sohmestra: both...wasn't sure if i had ubuntu or deb |
| 19:39.28 | jae | So LANG can't be it, IMNSHO |
| 19:39.47 | piztek3 | i meant to say firefox |
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| 19:40.07 | jae | LANG it is |
| 19:40.28 | bpun | rxKaffee, something is ambiguous about using the word too much.. it's better to let someone else say something less confusing.. no offense.. |
| 19:40.39 | sohmestra | grep -ri ubuntu /etc/apt/* && echo "It's UBUNTU. Aaaaaaackkk." |
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| 19:41.09 | jae | Still weird... why then does the other box handle umlauts with LANG unset? |
| 19:41.14 | ft | jae: zsh does not use readline. :) |
| 19:41.18 | hipodilski | my fonts in the my X are too small how can I fix this ? |
| 19:41.25 | bpun | piztek3, kdehelp lists manpages.. |
| 19:41.32 | jae | ft: read what I wrote |
| 19:41.41 | itchi | hipodilski: A dpi trouble?? |
| 19:41.48 | piztek3 | can tabs be disabled in gedit |
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| 19:42.03 | hipodilski | itchi: I have no idea? |
| 19:42.06 | itchi | piztek3: Use a real editor :-p |
| 19:42.11 | jae | One *could* take it that way, but "readline" was "in python" (which does use readline if so set up) |
| 19:42.17 | piztek3 | itchi: like what |
| 19:42.18 | aldin_ | rxKaffee: anycase thanks u gave me nice idea |
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| 19:42.27 | bpun | piztek3, like emacs |
| 19:42.31 | ft | jae: i did. How is that arggument supposed be making sense? |
| 19:42.42 | hipodilski | itchi: can you give me a a possible hint about my problem? |
| 19:42.48 | itchi | hipodilski: Look with xdpyinfo |
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| 19:42.53 | jae | ft: okay, what do you think I did say? |
| 19:42.56 | rxKaffee | bpun: what word do you mean? |
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| 19:43.26 | piztek3 | any other good editors |
| 19:43.27 | itchi | hipodilski: I think you have a little dpi trouble, but that's a guess, cause i need some info: screen dimensions and such |
| 19:43.31 | bpun | hipodilski, you can edit the xorg file -- online there's a tutorial to calculate the horiz and vertical for dpi.. xdpyinfo in an xterm would show your current dpi |
| 19:43.32 | solar_ant | i am trying to get incron work |
| 19:43.38 | ft | jae: forget it.. |
| 19:43.39 | solar_ant | incrntab prints out the rules properly |
| 19:43.41 | itchi | piztek3: vim vs emacs :-p |
| 19:43.45 | sohmestra | piztek3: gvim? |
| 19:43.47 | solar_ant | but on create even its not executing the script |
| 19:43.51 | hipodilski | itchi: what to look for? |
| 19:43.52 | solar_ant | what to do |
| 19:43.54 | piztek3 | man you guys rock |
| 19:44.13 | itchi | hipodilski: The resulution, the dpi too, it's one of the first lines of that output |
| 19:44.30 | bpun | piztek3, if you're stuck in the mud, there's also zed |
| 19:45.02 | hipodilski | ? resolution: 75x75 dots per inch |
| 19:45.09 | hipodilski | itchi: ? |
| 19:45.10 | itchi | piztek3: Try to first learn the very basics of vim. In the begin ... that may hard, but you gona quick see how usefull power may be are |
| 19:45.12 | jae | Why does one box need LANG set, and the other doesn't? At least I can get it to work... I hope it stays that way :P |
| 19:45.25 | itchi | hipodilski: And what's the resulution? |
| 19:45.50 | itchi | hipodilski: That's know as 'dimension' |
| 19:46.06 | hipodilski | hipodilski: 800x600 |
| 19:46.21 | itchi | hipodilski: That seems right to me |
| 19:46.29 | Vasistha | piztek3: if you're actually masochistic enough to want to learn vim, there's a great vim tutorial |
| 19:46.35 | hipodilski | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:46.59 | hipodilski | itchi: could it be because of the monitor it is an old 14 inches one |
| 19:47.24 | rxKaffee | I was lucky that the etch base skeleton put on my virtual server had nano included already :D I suspect thats not normally the case though |
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| 19:47.40 | itchi | hipodilski: Yes and no. It should be not that little, maybe change the resulution or the dpi?? look to the app xrand |
| 19:47.45 | hipodilski | still I'm confused since my fonts are very small in the terminal and in firefox |
| 19:48.00 | piztek3 | emacs wasn't very gnome-like |
| 19:48.04 | itchi | hipodilski: I dunno, i have got that little font trouble twice |
| 19:48.22 | hipodilski | itchi: change the dpi? |
| 19:48.28 | hipodilski | itchi: xrand or xrandr? |
| 19:48.50 | itchi | hipodilski: Ow, sorry, i missed that last r |
| 19:48.59 | piztek3 | i can't just disable tabs in gedit? |
| 19:49.09 | hipodilski | itchi: what to use that for |
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| 19:49.19 | hipodilski | itchi: how do you fixed your font troubles? |
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| 19:49.29 | hipodilski | did you* |
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| 19:49.36 | smcavoy_ | Hi, anyone have a source for icedove / thunderbird 2.0 for etch? |
| 19:49.52 | itchi | hipodilski: It changed the dpi, i dunno why i had got to much dpi on 2 boxes |
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| 19:50.41 | itchi | piztek3: What mean you with disable? Replace tabs with X spaces?? |
| 19:50.41 | hipodilski | itchi: how did you changed the dpi? |
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| 19:50.58 | itchi | hipodilski: With xrandr, look to xrandr --help |
| 19:51.54 | itchi | hipodilski: Honnesty, that was not yet clear to me :-s |
| 19:52.00 | piztek3 | itchi: yes, separate windows |
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| 19:53.11 | piztek3 | I've activated the evolution gaim plugin, but where is it in evolution? |
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| 19:53.15 | rxKaffee | piztek3: you could just open a new gedit from your programs menu |
| 19:53.35 | rxKaffee | for seperate window I mean |
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| 19:54.43 | piztek3 | that'd be the long way |
| 19:54.45 | FuzzyB | how do i get a list of installed packages from apt? |
| 19:54.57 | sohmestra | FuzzyB: dpkg --get-selections |
| 19:55.00 | FuzzyB | thanks |
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| 19:56.14 | Fetrovsky | howdy |
| 19:56.19 | Fetrovsky | i do ssh -X node |
| 19:56.24 | Fetrovsky | and I don't get forwarding |
| 19:56.27 | Fetrovsky | what should I do? |
| 19:56.28 | FuzzyB | it's -A |
| 19:56.30 | FuzzyB | not -X |
| 19:56.34 | Fetrovsky | oh |
| 19:56.36 | FuzzyB | if your doing key forwarding |
| 19:56.42 | Fetrovsky | man page says -X |
| 19:56.46 | Fetrovsky | not key forwarding |
| 19:56.48 | Fetrovsky | X forwarding |
| 19:56.49 | FuzzyB | oh nm then |
| 19:56.57 | Vasistha | !vnc setup |
| 19:56.58 | dpkg | vnc setup is probably Install x11vnc on the remote host and a vnc viewer on the local computer; Locally: ssh -C -L 5900:localhost:5900 <remotehost>; Remote run: x11vnc -display :0; Locally: vncviewer localhost; that's it! vnc securely tunneled over ssh! |
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| 19:57.22 | Fetrovsky | Vasistha: i don't want vnc, i want x11 forwarding |
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| 19:57.28 | cydork | Fetrovsky: /msg dpkg sshx |
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| 19:59.01 | Fetrovsky | hmm... EnableX11Forwarding on the server, xauth on the client |
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| 20:02.18 | dmlb2000 | networking question: say I've got a firewall running debian with two network interfaces is there a way to do the masqerade thing so the systems on my network can talk to others in the wider area network? |
| 20:02.48 | dmlb2000 | and using /etc/network/interfaces perferably, or do I have to use some sort of third party firewall scripts? |
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| 20:02.56 | Vasistha | !ipmasq |
| 20:02.56 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), apt-get install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html |
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| 20:04.11 | dmlb2000 | Vasistha: thanks, I think that's exactly what I want... |
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| 20:05.18 | Nomsky | abrotman |
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| 20:05.59 | abrotman | ? |
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| 20:06.10 | Nomsky | it's weird |
| 20:06.22 | Nomsky | ubuntu/kubuntu install fine |
| 20:06.41 | Nomsky | debian 4 and 3.1 won't |
| 20:06.41 | piztek3 | is there a kill duplicates and dead entries option for audacity |
| 20:06.41 | piztek3 | audacious i mean |
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| 20:06.58 | sn0 | Nomsky why doesn't it install, are you using a core2 duo based motherboard? |
| 20:07.00 | powergoal | Can anyone tell me how the debian etch iso called debian-40r0-i386-kde-CD-1.iso is different from the net-install iso? |
| 20:07.06 | Nomsky | yes |
| 20:07.06 | spheard | Im booting with Allocated 8 Megs of memory at 0x40000000 for kernel |
| 20:07.07 | spheard | Uncompressing image... |
| 20:07.07 | spheard | Loaded kernel version 2.6.18 |
| 20:07.07 | spheard | Loading initial ramdisk (4720541 bytes at 0x103F800000 phys, 0x40C00000 virt)... |
| 20:07.07 | spheard | | |
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| 20:07.08 | abrotman | Nomsky: and what are the kernels on each ? |
| 20:07.17 | abrotman | powergoal: it has peices of KDE on the ISO |
| 20:07.35 | Nomsky | 2.6.20 on kubuntu |
| 20:07.39 | powergoal | abrotman: does it make it easier to install kde to the environment? or otherwise is it identical? |
| 20:07.49 | abrotman | i prefer the netinst |
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| 20:08.04 | Nomsky | 2.6.18 on deb 4 |
| 20:08.15 | Nomsky | me thinks |
| 20:08.19 | spheard | sorry, didnt mean to do that |
| 20:08.44 | powergoal | abrotman: ok, and i used the net install, but it didnt work right with the gui. when i attempt to login with gdm, it just freezes and I cant kill the xserver or switch terminals. thoughts? |
| 20:09.23 | Nomsky | abrotman: thing is tho, I have no use for kubuntu, I want a debian4 server and no XFree |
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| 20:09.39 | Nomsky | whatsoever |
| 20:10.05 | sn0 | Nomsky if you are using core 2 duo, you need a newer kernel most likely |
| 20:10.16 | Nomsky | awww |
| 20:10.41 | itchi | sn0: .18 should be fine i thought |
| 20:10.52 | Nomsky | you would think that deb4 was new enough :) |
| 20:10.55 | sn0 | without knowing more its hard to say itchi |
| 20:11.03 | sn0 | the motherboards/chipsets do vary |
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| 20:11.12 | itchi | sn0: I have a duo, i started with that .18 on it here |
| 20:11.14 | Nomsky | all intel on this one |
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| 20:11.24 | Fetrovsky | ok back |
| 20:11.26 | Fetrovsky | still can't do it |
| 20:11.36 | sn0 | and i believe it also depends on the media/connection used |
| 20:11.37 | Nomsky | it's killing me |
| 20:11.38 | Gathond | sn0: it works fine on my core2 duo (in amd64 mode) |
| 20:11.50 | sn0 | but maybe Nomsky can clarify what exactly is going wrong with the debian install |
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| 20:12.22 | sanelson | hi - how can I go about replacing ip address o the fly using tcpdump? I want to present the dump data but with source IP hashed |
| 20:12.25 | bpun | Fetrovsky, restarted ssh server? |
| 20:12.28 | sanelson | i can do it with a regex replace if i dump to text, but I don't really want to do itr that way - too slow; I want to have a pcap file as the output. |
| 20:12.38 | itchi | sn0: Yeah, i not have follow the whole conversation of it, i scroll up :-p |
| 20:12.40 | Fetrovsky | bpun: yeap |
| 20:12.48 | Fetrovsky | let me check its running time though |
| 20:12.57 | Nomsky | it boots fine, takes me through the initial steps ( locales) then it looks for hardware, and can't find cdrom, although it's reading from it already |
| 20:13.11 | powergoal | I used the net install debian installer, but my system isnt working properly with the gui. when i attempt to login with gdm, it just freezes and I cant kill the xserver or switch terminals. thoughts? |
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| 20:13.34 | itchi | Nomsky: hhm, you need a special boot param for it |
| 20:13.37 | Fetrovsky | yeap 13 min. running |
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| 20:13.53 | Nomsky | itchi: which one did you have in mind ? |
| 20:14.05 | bpun | Fetrovsky, if an xapp fails, there should be output |
| 20:14.10 | hipodilski | itchi: xrandr doesn't helps |
| 20:14.12 | Fetrovsky | there is |
| 20:14.15 | itchi | Nomsky: Try with install libata.atapi_enable=1 |
| 20:14.18 | Nomsky | also, disks are set up as raid1 |
| 20:14.18 | Fetrovsky | xterm Xt error: Can't open display: |
| 20:14.18 | Fetrovsky | xterm: DISPLAY is not set |
| 20:14.30 | bpun | Fetrovsky, set display to localhost or :0 |
| 20:14.32 | Nomsky | itchi: thanks, will try that |
| 20:14.43 | itchi | hipodilski: I dunno what the problem is then :-s |
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| 20:14.47 | shut- | i fixed it |
| 20:14.49 | shut- | :) |
| 20:15.01 | itchi | shut-: My time trouble?? :-) |
| 20:15.12 | shut- | ? |
| 20:15.19 | Fetrovsky | bpun: shouldn't it be localhost:10.0 ? |
| 20:15.21 | sn0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:15.22 | sn0 | brb |
| 20:15.50 | bpun | Fetrovsky, may be localhost:0 or localhost, use da bot.. |
| 20:15.56 | bpun | !X11forwarding |
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| 20:16.55 | Fetrovsky | xterm Xt error: Can't open display: localhost:10.0 |
| 20:17.03 | dimir | Evenink! |
| 20:17.17 | Fetrovsky | of course when I do localhost:0.0 it runs well |
| 20:17.21 | Fetrovsky | but i get no window |
| 20:17.36 | shut- | on the netinstall how do i change from gnome |
| 20:17.38 | Fetrovsky | it appears on my local desktop, in the remote machine's own X server |
| 20:17.40 | HardDisk_WP | can PHP5 communicate with serial devices over /dev/ttyS0 node? |
| 20:17.43 | abrotman | shut-: to what ? |
| 20:17.43 | bpun | Fetrovsky, append & |
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| 20:17.47 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: ask #php .. |
| 20:18.01 | Fetrovsky | that's not gonna help |
| 20:18.01 | robin_sz | girls ... when I rebooted the swerver, one of the modules I need (ztdummy) doesnt get automagically modprobed ... is it /etc/modules where I need to mention it to have it do automatically? |
| 20:18.08 | shut- | xfce |
| 20:18.11 | shut- | no |
| 20:18.12 | shut- | i mean |
| 20:18.23 | shut- | fluxbox |
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| 20:18.27 | bpun | Fetrovsky, xterm & |
| 20:18.33 | geck` | fluxbox++ :) |
| 20:18.38 | Fetrovsky | bpun: that doesn't help |
| 20:18.44 | Nomsky | itchi: "no common cd-rom drive was detected" |
| 20:18.45 | Fetrovsky | it just sends xterm to the background |
| 20:18.49 | HardDisk_WP | k |
| 20:18.54 | Fetrovsky | but the window still appears there, not here |
| 20:18.54 | bpun | Fetrovsky, well if I have no idea what you're doing then I wont help |
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| 20:19.55 | raqamy | hi |
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| 20:20.19 | raqamy | is there a command like netconfig in debian like in slackware? |
| 20:20.21 | itchi | Nomsky: How old is that computer? |
| 20:20.29 | robin_sz | HardDisk_WP, if you want to start doing "proper" stuff on the machine, better off using a proper language like C or Perl or .. well, almost anything other than PHP, its really just a scripting langauge for embedding a bit of active content in web pages, nothing more. |
| 20:20.33 | Fetrovsky | bpun: what I'm doing is ssh -X and ssh -Y to a remote host, and trying to set the DISPLAY variable manually because I don't automatically get one set. |
| 20:20.38 | Nomsky | itchi_ @ "detect and mount CD-ROM" |
| 20:20.42 | shut- | is it su |
| 20:20.49 | Nomsky | itchi: brand new |
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| 20:20.56 | itchi | Nomsky: Yeah, but that's black magie :-p |
| 20:20.58 | Nomsky | built it today |
| 20:21.03 | Fetrovsky | the remote sshd server has in its configuration X11Forwarding enabled, and the screen delta is set to 10 |
| 20:21.07 | bpun | Fetrovsky, putty has an option for X11 forwarding, that way you don't have to manually type in the option.. |
| 20:21.19 | Fetrovsky | i'm not using putty, i'm using ssh |
| 20:21.20 | Nomsky | itchi: :) |
| 20:21.23 | itchi | Nomsky: With my 5 month old, i had need to do that ^^ |
| 20:21.30 | Nomsky | ah ok |
| 20:21.36 | bpun | Fetrovsky, ok, putty uses ssh backend, but anyways.. what cmdline is it? |
| 20:21.40 | itchi | Nomsky: I may say, try a newer kernel |
| 20:21.42 | Nomsky | what to do now .. |
| 20:21.55 | Fetrovsky | the last one was ssh -vvvY remotehost |
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| 20:22.05 | itchi | Nomsky: There are CD's with newer kernels, for these 'new' computers |
| 20:22.19 | Nomsky | debian cd's ? |
| 20:22.40 | itchi | Nomsky: yup |
| 20:22.50 | Nomsky | I'm not going to give in to FC :p |
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| 20:23.24 | bpun | Fetrovsky, check your *nix's manpage, is it -Y for X11 forwarding? |
| 20:23.26 | itchi | Nomsky: no no |
| 20:23.31 | Nomsky | :) |
| 20:23.33 | itchi | Nomsky: With which cd did you the try |
| 20:23.34 | itchi | ? |
| 20:23.48 | Nomsky | the latest deb 4 |
| 20:23.53 | Nomsky | net install |
| 20:24.01 | Fetrovsky | bpun: yes, it is just as -X just more trusted |
| 20:24.08 | itchi | Nomsky: Take the development CD, the daily build |
| 20:24.09 | Nomsky | debian-40r0-i386-netinst.iso |
| 20:24.20 | Fetrovsky | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:24.20 | Fetrovsky | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:24.27 | itchi | Nomsky: See /msg dpkg d-i |
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| 20:24.44 | itchi | Nomsky: That's for the testing branch, do you need stable? |
| 20:24.47 | bpun | Fetrovsky, so is "ForwardX11Trusted" set in the ssh server? |
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| 20:25.10 | Nomsky | itchi: I'm afraid I do, it's doe production |
| 20:25.14 | Nomsky | for* |
| 20:25.28 | itchi | Nomsky: There should be a stable cd with a decenter kernel |
| 20:25.41 | Nomsky | but I've used testing before, with no problems, so maybe it'll work |
| 20:25.57 | Fetrovsky | only X11Forwarding is |
| 20:25.58 | itchi | Nomsky: Hold on, or search for a stable cd with a decenter kernel |
| 20:26.02 | Fetrovsky | but -X won't work either |
| 20:26.03 | Nomsky | ta m8 |
| 20:26.08 | bpun | Fetrovsky, that's your problem, you don't read the manual.. |
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| 20:26.38 | bpun | Fetrovsky, for now get -X to work, -Y will never work since it is not set in the sshserver |
| 20:26.46 | nooneelse | hi people |
| 20:26.55 | Fetrovsky | bpun: so how can I get -X to work? |
| 20:26.55 | nvz | whats decenter mean, to set something off center? like far to the left.. |
| 20:26.56 | nooneelse | how do I add a Release.gpg file to my repos ? |
| 20:27.01 | nvz | heh |
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| 20:27.34 | Nomsky | itchi: thanks for your time btw |
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| 20:27.58 | nvz | like.." I dunno hon, but if you decenter that couch it will open the room up a bit more" |
| 20:28.00 | tobi1canobe | I'm used to yumming/rpming things so how do I find out with apt which pkg a file I have on my system belongs? |
| 20:28.10 | abrotman | !refcard |
| 20:28.10 | dpkg | well, refcard is A short reference of Debian commands can be found at http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ and will be quite useful for someone new to Debian. |
| 20:28.14 | abrotman | tobi1canobe: dpkg -S <file> |
| 20:28.23 | tobi1canobe | abrotman: thanks |
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| 20:32.35 | Fetrovsky | bpun: so how can I get -X to work? |
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| 20:33.51 | itchi | Nomsky: Is that an amd64? |
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| 20:34.55 | Nomsky | nope |
| 20:35.12 | Nomsky | core 2 duo |
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| 20:35.28 | Nomsky | they were out of P4's |
| 20:35.35 | nooneelse | someone ? |
| 20:35.35 | itchi | Nomsky: I only find one for amd64 :-s but there should be like there was for sarge 2.6.20 |
| 20:35.52 | wols_ | Nomsky: you were lucky they were out |
| 20:36.07 | wols_ | amd64 is the platform, not th cpu |
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| 20:36.50 | Gathond | Nomsky: core 2 duo is amd64 compatible (intel calls it EMT64) |
| 20:36.50 | Nomsky | huhm |
| 20:37.18 | nn-main | hi wols_ "It works! |
| 20:37.18 | nn-main | " |
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| 20:37.19 | Gathond | Nomsky: this core2 duo runs it just fine:) |
| 20:37.19 | tommyq | Hello! 'have a problem with xserver - my LCD displayed "Input Not Supported" > http://tommyq.wz.cz/xorg.conf and http://tommyq.wz.cz/Xorg.0.log |
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| 20:37.45 | Nomsky | Gathond: same installer ? |
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| 20:37.55 | colkhis | does debian support unicode? |
| 20:37.56 | itchi | !etch 2.6.20 |
| 20:37.56 | dpkg | it has been said that etch 2.6.20 is http://bzed.de/debian/kernel - amd64 only |
| 20:38.05 | Mustang_Matt | Hey Guys, I recently upgraded from sarge to etch and I'm getting a warning from amavis about spamassassin/antidrug.cf. I guess the old source is going away but I'm not sure how to point to the new source. Is anyone familiar with this problem? |
| 20:38.14 | bzed | itchi: uh? |
| 20:38.22 | Nomsky | aha |
| 20:38.22 | bzed | itchi: that should be updated |
| 20:39.24 | nn-main | wols_: lol that came from webserver |
| 20:39.39 | itchi | bzed: Nomsky need your help :-) |
| 20:40.25 | bzed | !tell Nomsky about bpo |
| 20:40.51 | bzed | dpkg, no etch 2.6.20 is avaiable at backports.org - ask me about <bpo> |
| 20:40.52 | dpkg | okay, bzed |
| 20:40.56 | sn0 | burp, pizza rocks |
| 20:41.10 | Gathond | Nomsky: no there are a seperate amd64 installer, the i386 one should work though |
| 20:41.13 | sn0 | yea Nomsky thats exactly the issue, so newer kernel / install cd with newer kernel needed |
| 20:41.15 | mmlj4 | pebbles and anchovies |
| 20:41.24 | sn0 | or if you install from a hd boot |
| 20:41.40 | Nomsky | I'm not |
| 20:41.40 | Gathond | Nomsky: 64 bit has its problems (mostly 32 bit only versions of stuff like flash and other third party closed source stuff) |
| 20:41.40 | sn0 | do you have an os on the system already? You could use goodbye-microsoft.com the windows based instaler |
| 20:41.55 | Nomsky | ofc not :) |
| 20:41.56 | Fetrovsky | fuck gdm! |
| 20:41.56 | Fetrovsky | shit |
| 20:42.20 | Nomsky | this will be my new web/mail server |
| 20:42.24 | Nomsky | the old one is baout to roll over and die on me |
| 20:42.29 | Nomsky | about* |
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| 20:42.47 | itchi | bzed: Is that the cd with a decenter kernel |
| 20:42.59 | bzed | itchi: cd? |
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| 20:43.21 | itchi | bzed: He need a stable cd with a decenter kernel, some little hardware troubles with a new computer |
| 20:43.27 | bzed | itchi: aaah. no, it's not |
| 20:43.36 | Nomsky | there's a sarge 2.6.20 installer around ? |
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| 20:43.47 | wols_ | !sarge 2.6.20 |
| 20:43.47 | dpkg | i heard sarge 2.6.20 is http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 20:43.50 | sn0 | yes Nomsky |
| 20:43.58 | sn0 | so you could dist-upgrade to etch after installing that |
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| 20:44.08 | sn0 | some people have reported some success with changing the sata/ide settings in the bios |
| 20:44.33 | bzed | Nomsky: which hardware do you ahve? |
| 20:44.46 | itchi | wols_: Yeah, saw taht, is that s/sarge/stable/ ? |
| 20:44.59 | Nomsky | downloading, thanks guys |
| 20:45.06 | Nomsky | and wish me luck :) |
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| 20:45.10 | geck` | la la |
| 20:45.12 | geck` | going lenny.. |
| 20:45.27 | sn0 | noprob Nomsky |
| 20:45.35 | sn0 | i believe the culprit is the marvell controller on chip |
| 20:45.46 | Nomsky | bzed: intel mobo, core 2 duo |
| 20:45.48 | sn0 | as the dedicated ide chip has been removed , the sata chip now does both |
| 20:46.04 | itchi | wols_: Anyway i not find the stable cd there :-s |
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| 20:46.23 | Nomsky | bzed: 2 sata raid1 |
| 20:46.23 | itchi | I guess that does not realy matters, just an dist-upgrade then |
| 20:46.50 | tommyq | Hello! 'have a problem with xserver - my LCD displayed "Input Not Supported" > http://tommyq.wz.cz/xorg.conf and http://tommyq.wz.cz/Xorg.0.log |
| 20:47.00 | bzed | Nomsky: that's what your hardware believes to do, not the hardware you have. |
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| 20:47.43 | Nomsky | bzed: say what ? :) |
| 20:47.47 | bzed | Nomsky: if only the raid stuff is the problem, disable it and use linux software raid instead |
| 20:48.08 | bzed | Nomsky: output of lspci for example. that would show your ahrdware. |
| 20:48.10 | sn0 | http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html is always worth checking |
| 20:48.36 | sn0 | raid chipsets on consumer motherboards generally are propreitary controllers that may not work/well |
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| 20:48.44 | Nomsky | [22:18] <Nomsky> itchi: "no common cd-rom drive was detected" |
| 20:48.53 | Nomsky | that's my problem |
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| 20:49.08 | Nomsky | raid can be fixed, that doesn't worry me |
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| 20:49.42 | bpun | tommyq, ask yourself, is it really LCD that's the input? |
| 20:49.46 | hipodilski | how can I pass the -dpi option to my X in debian I'm using wdm as a login manager |
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| 20:50.51 | tommyq | bpun: Sorry, I dont understant that question |
| 20:51.32 | Nomsky | ide interface is marvell btw |
| 20:52.06 | Nomsky | and it's running ich8 |
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| 20:52.32 | bpun | tommyq, computers is all about I/O -- your screen is output and your keyboard/mouse is input-- it sounds like your mouse isn't set |
| 20:52.47 | bpun | tommyq, if you don't know this, then learn it quick |
| 20:52.55 | itchi | Nomsky: As last solution, ask on the mailing list |
| 20:53.07 | Nomsky | ok |
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| 20:53.18 | Nomsky | let's see how sarge does |
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| 20:53.21 | Nomsky | :) |
| 20:53.22 | sn0 | this issue has been talked about before, so best to search :) |
| 20:53.26 | bpun | hipodilski, don't need, to, edit xorg conf |
| 20:53.30 | shut- | how do u change from gnome to fluxbox |
| 20:53.44 | Nomsky | sn0: I always google alot before asking :) |
| 20:53.53 | ma3x | how do I install mp4box? |
| 20:54.28 | sn0 | Nomsky they hopefully you have seen http://kerneltrap.org/node/7020 |
| 20:54.34 | sn0 | and the debian bug reports |
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| 20:54.35 | Nomsky | I'll let you know how it goes, for reference pueposes :) |
| 20:54.43 | hipodilski | Oh I fixed it !;] |
| 20:54.55 | bpun | hipodilski, i already told you like an hour ago dude-- two lines in to your xorg config, since you're too lazy to google, see for the monitor section @ http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Xorg_and_Fonts |
| 20:54.57 | narcissist | do i need to add a path in the sources file to be able to apt-get install ruby? |
| 20:55.03 | hipodilski | I edited wdm/Xservers |
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| 20:55.11 | hipodilski | and passed the -dpi option |
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| 20:55.26 | itchi | shut-: Change what? |
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| 20:55.57 | itchi | shut-: You mean switch of environment? |
| 20:56.09 | shut- | yea like switch to fluxbox |
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| 20:56.27 | itchi | shut-: How did you start gnome? |
| 20:56.29 | tommyq | bpun: But signal from bsub to TFT is input for TFT ;) |
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| 20:56.42 | shut- | when i installed debian it came with it |
| 20:56.56 | itchi | shut-: You have a DM? See /msg dpkg dm |
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| 20:57.30 | Nomsky | sn0: guess what I have ? DQ965GFEKR, Intel 965GF/ICH8DO, µATX, vPro, RAID |
| 20:57.30 | itchi | shut-: I guess you have gdm |
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| 20:57.40 | Nomsky | so here we go |
| 20:57.51 | itchi | shut-: Log out, and in that session option of the gdm, select fluxbox, that's all |
| 20:57.55 | piztek3 | how do i disable mdn's in evolution? |
| 20:58.05 | shut- | ok |
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| 20:58.23 | itchi | piztek3: mdn's ?? |
| 20:58.44 | ma3x | how do I install mp4box? |
| 20:58.51 | shut- | i forget how to logout |
| 20:59.05 | raqamy | is there utility in debian like service in redhat? |
| 20:59.06 | shut- | nvm |
| 20:59.19 | bzed | Nomsky: sounds like you wanna try acpi=off while booting the installier. at least that's what one of the comments on kerneltrap says |
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| 20:59.45 | bzed | Nomsky: it's a good thing to try anyway, probably noapic or similar options, too |
| 20:59.48 | piztek3 | itchi: message disposal notifications |
| 21:00.11 | piztek3 | no message disposition notifications |
| 21:00.13 | Nomsky | bzed: will do |
| 21:00.13 | itchi | piztek3: I dunno what it is :-) And i use evolution :-p |
| 21:00.25 | piztek3 | notifies the sender you read |
| 21:00.49 | bzed | Nomsky: and I'm still nor sure you wanna use those fakeraids on the board, I'd go with software raid instead, except you wanna run windows or so on the same disks |
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| 21:03.00 | Nomsky | acpi=off didn't help |
| 21:03.30 | Nomsky | bzed: I would infect any disk with winblows |
| 21:03.37 | Nomsky | would never even |
| 21:03.53 | bzed | good Nomsky :D |
| 21:04.02 | Nomsky | :) |
| 21:04.16 | Nomsky | this is to become a console-only web/mail server |
| 21:04.21 | bzed | Nomsky: did you try the sarge installer with 2.6.20? |
| 21:04.26 | Nomsky | oldsk00l |
| 21:04.30 | itchi | piztek3: Should he not ask you if you want to notify him? Like with that comercial stuff?? |
| 21:04.33 | Nomsky | still downloading |
| 21:05.04 | Nomsky | or not :p |
| 21:05.06 | bzed | Nomsky: btw, nv amd stuff just works out of the box ususally ;) |
| 21:05.13 | Nomsky | now to burn the iso |
| 21:05.25 | Nomsky | :) |
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| 21:07.34 | itchi | piztek3: I wait my own mail :-l |
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| 21:08.18 | piztek3 | you wait your own mail? |
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| 21:11.31 | Nomsky | it's funny tho, Kubuntu worked, no probs at all |
| 21:11.31 | piztek3 | Nomsky: what's your problem |
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| 21:11.32 | itchi | Nomsky: Which kernel use he? |
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| 21:11.32 | itchi | Nomsky: I'm near sure it is a little detail, like usual |
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| 21:13.13 | fasta | What kind of minimum specs do you need to play x264? |
| 21:13.59 | maxamillion | fasta: what is x264? |
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| 21:14.19 | fasta | !x264 |
| 21:14.20 | gtest | hello, how can I set my computer a X server? |
| 21:14.21 | piztek3 | why can't an everlasting occurance be set in evolution, and why can't and end date be set for the occurance |
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| 21:14.57 | itchi | gtest: What mean you? You want to install a X server? |
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| 21:15.09 | fasta | maxamillion: CPU intensive video codec |
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| 21:15.24 | gtest | itchi, nop... I want another computers to start a remote session of my computer |
| 21:15.40 | itchi | gtest: vnc?? |
| 21:15.41 | tarzeau | abrotman: the new maps in sauerbraten are so freakin' fun |
| 21:15.47 | onur_ | Hi. I see 'Inbound IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=00:40:f4:5c:6c:09:00:11:f5:04:63:67:08:00 SRC=172.178.239.218 DST=192.168.1.2 LEN=70 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=106 ID=11472 PROTO=UDP SPT=52007 DPT=36931 LEN=50' in my all tty's. What is this? |
| 21:15.51 | Nomsky | the sarge installer did the magic trick |
| 21:15.51 | gtest | itchi, nop...through X |
| 21:16.03 | Nomsky | drinsk are one me :) |
| 21:16.07 | Nomsky | drinks |
| 21:16.10 | fasta | piztek3: for feature request reportbug or request up-stream. |
| 21:16.13 | itchi | gtest: rdp then? |
| 21:16.16 | bpun | doesn't dselect or aptitude offer package-bundles? |
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| 21:16.45 | gtest | itchi, nop I want X |
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| 21:16.56 | itchi | |DuReX|: What about smile? :-p |
| 21:16.56 | gtest | itchi, I need a X server |
| 21:16.57 | |DuReX| | hello dudez, I'm having problems to compile eggdrop on my 64bit debian, any id how i can fix it ? i'm getting tons of errors |
| 21:17.04 | bpun | gtest, just X? or any programs useful with X .. |
| 21:17.18 | fasta | Wow, Debian is getting popular :o |
| 21:17.26 | itchi | gtest: See /msg dpkg install x |
| 21:17.30 | Nomsky | ofc :) |
| 21:17.34 | itchi | gtest: Your not that clear |
| 21:17.44 | Nomsky | I'm a converted slack user :p |
| 21:17.47 | gtest | bpun, what do you mean? if I log to my computer I will be able to start any app that is installed on the X server right? |
| 21:17.50 | fasta | itchi: It's "You are" |
| 21:18.05 | itchi | fasta: Yeah, sorry, saw it to late :-s |
| 21:18.11 | |DuReX| | userent.c:681: warning: dereferencing type-punned pointer will break strict-aliasing rules |
| 21:18.15 | itchi | fasta: you're |
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| 21:18.18 | |DuReX| | tcl.c:490: warning: dereferencing type-punned pointer will break strict-aliasing rules |
| 21:18.21 | |DuReX| | errors :( |
| 21:18.22 | fasta | itchi: that's ok, too. |
| 21:18.30 | bpun | gtest, try installing package-bundle -- not sure if dselect or aptitude support it-- that way the Xserver gets installed with other basic Xapps |
| 21:18.56 | bpun | anyone can verify how gtest can install X with Xapps? |
| 21:19.17 | fasta | Xapps? |
| 21:19.25 | itchi | I not realy understand the question i may say |
| 21:19.34 | Nomsky | a quick question: grub vs lilo ? |
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| 21:19.40 | bpun | fasta, dunno the name "package bundle" |
| 21:19.41 | itchi | Nomsky: Grub |
| 21:19.45 | Nomsky | I've always used lilo |
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| 21:19.54 | Nomsky | itchi: tell me why |
| 21:20.03 | itchi | Nomsky: Lilo is fine to, grub is a bit more flexible |
| 21:20.04 | fasta | Nomsky: Depends on purposes, but for my purposes Grub. |
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| 21:20.09 | |DuReX| | come on somebody help me with this plz :( |
| 21:20.18 | itchi | fasta: Easier to use, i find, but other not find that |
| 21:20.29 | shut- | is it |
| 21:20.34 | fasta | |DuReX|: don't call people "dudes" and start trying stop stop using the word "plz". |
| 21:20.38 | shut- | su apt-get install xfce or wat |
| 21:20.39 | Nomsky | itchi: in what areas ? |
| 21:20.41 | gtest | what I want is just to be make my computer able to accept remote sessions from my clients, how can I do that? |
| 21:20.59 | fasta | gtest: remote graphical sessions? |
| 21:20.59 | itchi | Nomsky: Grub is the 'new generation' |
| 21:21.08 | gtest | fasta, yes |
| 21:21.09 | fasta | gtest: you need to be more precise |
| 21:21.10 | jensens | .oO( plz is the german acronym for zip-code) |
| 21:21.18 | ma3x | ./MP4Box: symbol lookup error: ./MP4Box: undefined symbol: gf_sys_init |
| 21:21.20 | ma3x | any help on this? |
| 21:21.23 | gtest | what I want is just to be make my computer able to accept remote graphical sessions from my clients, how can I do that? |
| 21:21.23 | fasta | gtest: then install an X server and change some settings in the xorg.conf file |
| 21:21.27 | bpun | fasta, he wants to install a graphic server |
| 21:21.31 | itchi | Nomsky: When you're screwed, on the bootloader, with grub, you can go a way to try to solve it |
| 21:21.42 | gtest | fasta, this is what I want to know what settings.. |
| 21:21.43 | itchi | s/,// |
| 21:21.45 | bpun | fasta, but has nothing graphical installed |
| 21:21.46 | ma3x | heh, google for gf_sys_init = 1 result!!! |
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| 21:22.15 | |DuReX| | :( |
| 21:22.16 | gtest | bpun, I have my debian here installed... why do you say nothing graphical installed? |
| 21:22.30 | fasta | gtest: there are a zillion pages describing that already on the www. |
| 21:22.33 | bpun | gtest, well first you need to know what clients you're using |
| 21:22.48 | gtest | bpun, another debian computers |
| 21:22.59 | Nomsky | awww |
| 21:23.19 | Nomsky | GRUB just sits there. with a blinking cursor :p |
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| 21:23.35 | fasta | Nomsky: then you are doing something wrong, probably. |
| 21:23.38 | itchi | Nomsky: Some troubles to detect the hdd?? |
| 21:23.44 | bpun | gtest, i thought you have no X server installed like your first question.. so I give up what you're tring to accomplish |
| 21:23.46 | fasta | Nomsky: reading the manual helps. |
| 21:24.05 | itchi | Nomsky: You did that automagic grub setup? |
| 21:24.32 | Nomsky | yes |
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| 21:24.45 | Zap-W | hi , is dmix set as default in debian etch? |
| 21:24.52 | |DuReX| | nobody that can help me on this ? :s |
| 21:24.58 | itchi | Nomsky: You where that guy with that new computer and these troubles with the CD-ROM and hdd |
| 21:25.12 | Nomsky | absolutely |
| 21:25.16 | cydork | Zap-W: yes. actually it's default in alsa now days. |
| 21:25.21 | itchi | Nomsky: The problem is still there then :-s |
| 21:25.24 | Nomsky | sarge installer did teh trick |
| 21:25.26 | fasta | |DuReX|: why not ask the developers of eggdrop? |
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| 21:25.28 | itchi | Nomsky: Wait |
| 21:25.29 | bzed | Nomsky: did you disable that raid stuff? |
| 21:25.37 | Nomsky | I'm going to |
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| 21:25.44 | itchi | Nomsky: The installer detected all the stuff now? |
| 21:25.45 | bzed | Nomsky: use software raid instead, that works |
| 21:25.52 | |DuReX| | there is nobody there .... maby somebody here could help me, as its debian amd64 ... |
| 21:26.16 | fasta | |DuReX|: do you have any reason to believe this problem is debian specific? |
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| 21:27.03 | itchi | Nomsky: I may say that the module is not loaded, or build in the kernel then |
| 21:27.18 | itchi | Nomsky: Or maybe a wrong /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 21:27.18 | |DuReX| | lol no, like 90% of the other problems here .... |
| 21:27.31 | itchi | Nomsky: not build in the kernel i mean |
| 21:27.34 | piztek3 | is there any way to make totem support more video types |
| 21:27.57 | piztek3 | and mplayer isn't playing video |
| 21:28.03 | Zap-W | cydork: so dmix is set to the default device ? no need for -D dmix , in alsaplayer ans such |
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| 21:28.17 | Zap-W | cydork: because it dosent work for me.. |
| 21:28.19 | Jocke | How was it you downloaded the source code for a program with apt-get? the original |
| 21:28.27 | itchi | piztek3: Look for the vlc app |
| 21:28.34 | ephemeros | piztek3: do you have ffmpeg installed? |
| 21:28.37 | azeem | Jocke: apt-get source --tar-only foo |
| 21:28.42 | Zap-W | i had to make a custom asound conf |
| 21:28.44 | Jocke | oh yeah |
| 21:28.45 | Jocke | thanks |
| 21:28.47 | ephemeros | ...or that :) |
| 21:28.49 | fasta | |DuReX|: I get the impression you did very little work to help yourself. Why would we help? |
| 21:29.00 | bzed | Zap-W: good hardware doesn;t need dmix, cheap stuff without hardware mixer does |
| 21:29.07 | piztek3 | ephemeros: no, it's installing though |
| 21:29.14 | itchi | bzed: Yeah, my laptop is not that cheap :-s |
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| 21:29.25 | cydork | Zap-W: http://alsa.opensrc.org/home/w/org/opensrc/alsa/index.php?title=DmixPlugin |
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| 21:29.46 | piztek3 | error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device is the mplayer error with ffmpeg installed |
| 21:29.50 | fasta | |DuReX|: The eggdrop forum contains an entry of someone asking about amd64, but there's very little response. |
| 21:29.57 | itchi | Gona eat, see you laters my lovely guys :-p |
| 21:30.02 | fasta | |DuReX|: so, it seems you are trying to do something relatively new. |
| 21:30.16 | |DuReX| | i've been searching google for hours :s |
| 21:30.20 | fasta | |DuReX|: if there's no packaged version for Debian you shouldn't ask here. |
| 21:30.21 | |DuReX| | can't find any solution |
| 21:30.22 | Nomsky | Thanks guys, I'm in business :) |
| 21:30.31 | |DuReX| | found 2 patches |
| 21:30.35 | |DuReX| | but they don't solve the problem (: |
| 21:30.40 | bzed | Nomsky: sounds good :) |
| 21:30.51 | fasta | |DuReX|: then send a mail to the mailing list of eggdrop. |
| 21:31.11 | fasta | |DuReX|: if everyone is dead there too, find another irc server that is being cared for. |
| 21:31.17 | fasta | |DuReX|: or pay someone |
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| 21:31.28 | fasta | |DuReX|: lots of options still available for you |
| 21:31.55 | ephemeros | anyone here using XFCE without gnome apps and found his/her way around? |
| 21:32.10 | Zap-W | cydork: i guess i have a bug then |
| 21:32.12 | Nomsky | I never quite understood why atd was default |
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| 21:32.39 | bzed | Nomsky: you mean the at daemon? |
| 21:32.46 | Nomsky | yes |
| 21:32.49 | bzed | why not |
| 21:32.53 | bzed | it's pretty useful |
| 21:33.01 | Nomsky | I've never used it :) |
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| 21:33.21 | piztek3 | thanks everyone, bbl |
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| 21:33.35 | DeeTahPanLtah | is there a way to purge a single packet without messing up dependencies? |
| 21:33.47 | DeeTahPanLtah | ijsut want to purge and reinstall a packet the fastest way |
| 21:34.11 | bpun | ephemeros, most applications will never showup in the menu of any gui |
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| 21:34.45 | tumdum | hello, anyone using truecrypt? |
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| 21:35.07 | bpun | tumdum, truecrypt-- i've used but on another platform |
| 21:35.16 | ephemeros | bpun: looks like the xfce desktop is not so well developed, |
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| 21:35.30 | bpun | ephemeros, especially if you're testing.. |
| 21:35.41 | ephemeros | bpun: i am :) |
| 21:36.03 | ephemeros | bpun: how could the users/groups be managed in XFCE? |
| 21:36.05 | bpun | ephemeros, well welcome to the testing branch.. i can't help but tell you to reportbug |
| 21:36.19 | bpun | mouhaaaha |
| 21:36.27 | bpun | ephemeros, ctl-alt-f1 |
| 21:36.56 | ephemeros | bpun: no way, i want graphically, don't know so well the cl tools |
| 21:37.11 | bpun | ephemeros, well ctl-alt-backspace |
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| 21:37.17 | ephemeros | :) |
| 21:37.53 | ephemeros | man, i mean it, i think the xfce desktop should be usable for not technical users, too |
| 21:38.11 | Nomsky | bzed: and I'm also probably the last person on the planet using jed :) |
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| 21:41.42 | ma3x | is there a debian package for xvid encoder? |
| 21:42.47 | azeem | ma3x: at debian-multimedia, maybe |
| 21:42.59 | ma3x | azeem, what's the package name? |
| 21:43.09 | azeem | dunno |
| 21:43.17 | ma3x | I already have the repo in my sources, I searched for xvid encoder, nuffin! |
| 21:43.20 | azeem | ma3x: do you know about apt-cache search? |
| 21:43.29 | ma3x | ^ |
| 21:43.51 | azeem | isn't xvid the same as divx? |
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| 21:44.17 | azeem | ma3x: also, did you check whether mencoder can do this? |
| 21:44.21 | ma3x | no lol |
| 21:44.26 | ma3x | azeem, can't |
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| 21:44.31 | ma3x | it can't |
| 21:44.36 | krazykit | sure it can |
| 21:44.40 | azeem | ma3x: the one from debian-multimedia, I mean |
| 21:44.52 | krazykit | ma3x, or use ffmpeg to encode it |
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| 21:45.00 | ma3x | azeem, I'm not trying to encode it |
| 21:45.07 | ma3x | I'm trying to add the raw avi to mp4 |
| 21:45.08 | azeem | eh? |
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| 21:45.30 | azeem | why do you need an xvid encoder then? |
| 21:46.25 | ma3x | because to install Mp4live encoder |
| 21:46.30 | ma3x | which can mux files |
| 21:46.40 | azeem | ma3x: is that free software? |
| 21:46.51 | ma3x | yeah |
| 21:46.59 | azeem | *shrug* no idea |
| 21:47.03 | ma3x | I guess so |
| 21:47.12 | azeem | maybe you should search for mp4live encoder, rather then, anyway |
| 21:47.19 | ma3x | I tried mp4box but it gives me an error |
| 21:47.24 | ma3x | I googled the error - only 1 result |
| 21:47.29 | ma3x | weird |
| 21:47.36 | Ozux | hipodilski, I removed libapache2-mod-php4 but Apt started to installing libapache-mod-php4, any body knows why it's happened? what's the relation between removing Apache2 Mod PHP4 and installing Apache 1.3 MOD php4? |
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| 21:48.24 | jensens | i made a mistake and removed /var/cache/apt - can i rebuild it? |
| 21:48.37 | Impiety | this may sound kinda stupid, but when i installe debian, it didn't install any of the stuff to compile sources, how would i install all of that stuff, without installing each individual package |
| 21:48.49 | azeem | jensens: did you try apt-get update? |
| 21:49.43 | streuner | knusper:/var/cache/apt# ls -ld |
| 21:49.43 | streuner | drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 2007-05-25 15:13 |
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| 21:50.21 | jensens | azeem: yes, it tells me E: Listenverzeichnis /var/lib/apt/lists/partial fehlt. |
| 21:50.31 | azeem | jensens: so create it |
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| 21:51.12 | jensens | azeem: eh, easy, thx :-) |
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| 21:52.15 | ww9736 | hi |
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| 21:54.06 | ww9736 | hi i can't install debian using the netinstall cd or using the goodbye-microsoft.com client, how can i install it? |
| 21:54.21 | n3kl_ | How can I find the device id of a scsi tape drive? |
| 21:54.37 | streuner | ww9736: why aren't you able to use netinstall? |
| 21:55.00 | ww9736 | i burnt the iso and rebooted... |
| 21:55.11 | ww9736 | but it get stuck when its loading |
| 21:55.12 | pickcoder | n3kl_: they should be in order of lun and device |
| 21:55.30 | streuner | ww9736: what CPU do you have? |
| 21:55.30 | ww9736 | sorryfor my bad english i speak spanish |
| 21:55.39 | ww9736 | i have an intel celeron |
| 21:55.40 | n3kl_ | pickcoder: what is lun? |
| 21:55.43 | ww9736 | 2000mhz |
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| 21:56.02 | streuner | ww9736: where did yo download the iso (URL)? |
| 21:56.22 | ww9736 | i dont remember... but it was a mirror from debain.org |
| 21:56.23 | pickcoder | LUN == logical unit number |
| 21:56.28 | ww9736 | a chilean mirror |
| 21:56.52 | streuner | ww9736: did you verify the iso itself? |
| 21:57.06 | ww9736 | how can i do it now? |
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| 21:57.49 | pickcoder | n3kl_: cat /proc/scsi/scsi |
| 21:57.54 | ww9736 | but... i checked it using the nero verify for burnt data when it finishes function |
| 21:57.55 | streuner | well, compare the md5sum with the one listening on the website |
| 21:58.15 | ww9736 | ok |
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| 21:58.35 | ma3x | is there .deb for MP4Box? |
| 21:58.37 | pinguim_magic | Hello :) |
| 21:58.52 | streuner | ww9736: what kind of error did you get (at boot time)? |
| 21:58.58 | karsten | How do I query a raid device (and what is the device name) w/ mdadm |
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| 21:59.47 | karsten | From dmesg: scsi0 : LSI Logic SAS based MegaRAID driver |
| 21:59.47 | streuner | ww9736: does it even boot the kernel itself? |
| 21:59.47 | ww9736 | when i use the netinstall cd it stucks when it shows "CD-ROM driver 3.20" |
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| 22:00.47 | ww9736 | mmm... when i insert the cd... |
| 22:00.59 | ww9736 | it shows debian: press enter to boot |
| 22:01.03 | streuner | ww9736: just try this one: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r0-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 22:01.16 | ww9736 | but... |
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| 22:01.33 | ww9736 | can u help me using the goodbye-microsoft client? |
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| 22:02.38 | streuner | ww9736: if its NOT a SCSI-CDROM just use the link above and burn it without any errors |
| 22:02.41 | wayfearer | hi folks |
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| 22:03.44 | Goran_ | does the package manager still damage the database if the connection is interrupted during install? |
| 22:04.02 | streuner | ww9736: you'll find the md5sum's here: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 22:04.06 | bpun | Goran_, apt-get -f install |
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| 22:04.25 | n3kl_ | pickcoder: cool. Thanks. I think I am trying to use the wrong media =[ |
| 22:04.39 | bpun | Goran_, if connection is interrupted, the install hasn't really started.. it downloads then installs |
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| 22:05.09 | shut- | is there a way to make it so i can run windows programs on linux |
| 22:05.12 | dondelelcaro | Goran_: still? It's designed not to do so,e ver. |
| 22:05.27 | ww9736 | hey streuner and how can i install debian directly from my hdd drive? |
| 22:05.28 | streuner | shut-: windows emulator (wine) |
| 22:05.43 | Goran_ | what i remember is, i ran synaptic, it froze for long, i killed it and the database was corrupted |
| 22:05.48 | streuner | ww9736: hd-media, read /msg dpkg ig |
| 22:05.58 | maxamillion | streuner: its not an emulator ;) |
| 22:06.04 | streuner | !tell ww9736 about ig |
| 22:06.14 | dondelelcaro | Goran_: which database? You're going to have to give us far more information if you want us to answer you. |
| 22:06.32 | ww9736 | thanks |
| 22:06.39 | dondelelcaro | (esp. since the underlying package management database has nothing to do with synaptic) |
| 22:06.42 | bpun | Goran_, maybe dpkg fails, not because of corruption because there's no more room on the hd |
| 22:07.10 | Goran_ | synaptic failed to run dpkg after that |
| 22:07.25 | Goran_ | it reported that the db is corrupted |
| 22:07.33 | dondelelcaro | Goran_: what was the precise output from synaptic? |
| 22:07.44 | Goran_ | but it was a very old distribution |
| 22:07.53 | bpun | Goran_, kill all threads first, then re-iniate, the db was probably locked.. |
| 22:08.04 | ww9736 | 2.2.3. Hard Disk |
| 22:08.04 | ww9736 | Booting the installation system directly from a hard disk is another option for many architectures. This will require some other operating system to load the installer onto the hard disk. |
| 22:08.09 | ww9736 | and... |
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| 22:08.16 | ww9736 | how can i install it?! |
| 22:08.18 | ww9736 | xD |
| 22:08.48 | pickcoder | ww9736: try booting a Knoppix CD |
| 22:09.17 | streuner | ww9736: besides, if Knoppix or grml works, Debian should do the same... |
| 22:09.21 | bpun | ww9736, debootstrap |
| 22:09.28 | streuner | (booting) |
| 22:09.35 | ww9736 | but... without a cd... i think that its the drive who writes bad the cds |
| 22:09.38 | pickcoder | streuner: I found that to be incorrect in some cases |
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| 22:10.08 | ww9736 | i checked the md5sum and its correct :o |
| 22:10.15 | streuner | yes, surley in some cases, but we talking about the MOST cases :-) |
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| 22:10.22 | bpun | ww9736, not nec.. sometimes it's the medium and is read differently between drivers-- a *common problem.. |
| 22:10.26 | Southern | re |
| 22:10.27 | pickcoder | I'm trying to remember what situation caused it, but nothing is coming to the front |
| 22:10.37 | bpun | ww9736, /drivers/cd-drives |
| 22:10.44 | pickcoder | I think it had to do with CD-ROM auto detection in the BIOS |
| 22:10.51 | pickcoder | versus boot priority |
| 22:11.01 | ww9736 | the bios is blocked by my provider |
| 22:11.10 | ww9736 | i never changed anithing on it... |
| 22:11.17 | streuner | ww9736: if we don't know the exact URL (iso) its hardly solveable to guess about the problem... |
| 22:11.22 | pickcoder | the machine would boot Knoppix but it just wouldn't boot the netinstall CD |
| 22:11.22 | bpun | ww9736, so you're trying to from cd-rom and can't? |
| 22:11.31 | pickcoder | well.. technically it would "boot" |
| 22:11.44 | pickcoder | but the cd-rom + IDE drivers would not load and casued a kernel halt |
| 22:11.46 | streuner | ww9736: but this box is able to boot? |
| 22:11.52 | jelly-home | pickcoder: thats... strange |
| 22:12.04 | pickcoder | it hasn't happened since RC2 though |
| 22:12.15 | ww9736 | streuner i dont understand your question |
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| 22:12.38 | streuner | ww9736: what's the exact webadress where you downloaded the iso itself? |
| 22:12.44 | pickcoder | It's been a few months now and my memory isn't as sharp as it used to be |
| 22:13.01 | ww9736 | http://ftp.cl.debian.org/debian-cd/ |
| 22:13.21 | bpun | ww9736, if you compare just the checksums it would take a split second to tell if your iso is different |
| 22:13.32 | streuner | ww9736: and which one of these did you download? |
| 22:13.43 | streuner | bpun: he already did |
| 22:14.02 | ww9736 | i downloaded the http://ftp.cl.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r0-i386-netinst.iso imagern¡`´+ |
| 22:14.17 | streuner | ok, that's fine then |
| 22:16.04 | pickcoder | ww9736: do you know what brand and type of CD drive is in the machine? |
| 22:16.59 | PumpkinPie | etch is sk.etch.y |
| 22:17.28 | ww9736 | master-G |
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| 22:18.37 | pickcoder | master-G? Isn't that the media brand? |
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| 22:19.05 | ww9736 | yes it is |
| 22:19.12 | pickcoder | I was asking about the drive |
| 22:19.13 | robin_sz | got root? |
| 22:19.22 | Talaturen | hello, what do i type in terminal to see things i installed with apt-get? |
| 22:19.38 | ww9736 | emmm its a lite-on drive |
| 22:19.47 | streuner | Talaturen: less /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 22:19.52 | ww9736 | it came when i bought the cpu |
| 22:19.57 | pickcoder | CD-RW, DVD-RW, DVD-RAM? |
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| 22:20.17 | DigitalOktay | Good Night People |
| 22:20.17 | ww9736 | Write CD-RW and reads DVD |
| 22:20.29 | pickcoder | and I assume it's an Ultra-ATA drive as well |
| 22:20.31 | Talaturen | streuner, isn't there something like dpkg grep i? I can't remember exactly what it was.. |
| 22:21.10 | DigitalOktay | Hi |
| 22:21.20 | DigitalOktay | What is the new Testing in Debian? |
| 22:21.25 | ww9736 | i dont understand that is ultraata, dma etc... |
| 22:21.37 | pickcoder | it's IDE |
| 22:21.40 | streuner | Talaturen: just use the command above, no need for complicate things if you using etch or newer |
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| 22:22.10 | HostilePenguin | lenny |
| 22:22.29 | ww9736 | i dont know... |
| 22:22.30 | n3kl_ | Anyone know what kind of media a sony sdt-5000 takes? |
| 22:22.31 | pickcoder | ww9736: I would try burning and booting a Knoppix LiveCD |
| 22:22.39 | sussudio | n3kl_: beavers |
| 22:22.39 | ww9736 | ok |
| 22:22.42 | ww9736 | plz wait |
| 22:22.45 | pickcoder | if it will load, then the problem is in the installer CD driver |
| 22:22.51 | n3kl_ | sussudio: ? |
| 22:23.05 | Talaturen | streuner, it doesn't show me what I have installed... |
| 22:23.14 | ww9736 | but when i download things |
| 22:23.19 | ww9736 | it downloads at 60kbps |
| 22:23.22 | sussudio | !fgi n3kl_ sdt-5000 |
| 22:23.23 | dpkg | n3kl_: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=sdt-5000 |
| 22:23.27 | streuner | Talaturen: oh, dpkg -l |
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| 22:23.38 | ww9736 | it will take more than 4 hours |
| 22:23.53 | Talaturen | thanks |
| 22:24.03 | n3kl_ | sussudio: yeah, I just thought I would ask. I think I just found it. thanks |
| 22:24.11 | ww9736 | and i cant install it using the goodbye-microsoft.com exe? |
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| 22:24.29 | ww9736 | i used it but it shows an error |
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| 22:24.45 | pickcoder | ww9736: I have never used that installer |
| 22:24.50 | ww9736 | i took a photo with my phone of the error, if you want i can upload it to imageshck |
| 22:24.52 | Guerin | ww9736: just use the installer, having it download stuff overnight |
| 22:25.38 | Guerin | think of it as an opportunity to do something NOT attached to your computer |
| 22:25.46 | pickcoder | ww9736: I would like to see exactly where the install chokes, if that is what you have as a picture |
| 22:25.56 | ww9736 | ok |
| 22:25.56 | pickcoder | the debian installer |
| 22:26.01 | ww9736 | plz wait |
| 22:26.02 | bpun | ww9736, watson please come over here |
| 22:26.15 | bpun | ww9736, hope you didn't spill any acid on your pants.. :) |
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| 22:27.15 | ww9736 | :D |
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| 22:27.29 | ww9736 | not yet... |
| 22:27.39 | ww9736 | http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/7428/zippy051sl8.jpg |
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| 22:28.58 | streuner | hm, looks really ugly ;-) |
| 22:29.10 | ww9736 | its a phone who took the foto :) |
| 22:29.13 | ww9736 | a Nokia 6620 |
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| 22:29.34 | bpun | ww9736, so basically the cd can be read fully but not booted from? |
| 22:29.36 | streuner | nah, the error itself ;-) |
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| 22:30.11 | ww9736 | no. this photo is from the error when i load the debian installer when i download the exe from goodbye-microsoft.com |
| 22:31.06 | robin_sz | try dulling hte screen with somehting to stop the reflections |
| 22:31.21 | ww9736 | i already have installed debian in my cousin's pc using this method |
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| 22:31.57 | allix | oops |
| 22:32.08 | allix | http://pastebin.ca/510490 |
| 22:32.20 | allix | i am getting that error when trying to get into x-windows |
| 22:32.54 | ma3x | is there .deb for MP4Box? |
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| 22:34.02 | streuner | allix: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 22:34.12 | DigitalOktay | what ist goodbye-microsoft.com |
| 22:34.13 | DigitalOktay | ?? |
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| 22:34.22 | ww9736 | when you enter to it... |
| 22:34.28 | ww9736 | you can download an exe file... |
| 22:34.48 | DigitalOktay | yes and then |
| 22:34.56 | ww9736 | this exe file creates a "Debian Installer" in the Windows Boot Menu |
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| 22:35.07 | ww9736 | when you select it you can install debian from internet |
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| 22:35.37 | DigitalOktay | hmm thank you, and then delete it windows |
| 22:35.42 | allix | streuner, ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C LIBARY : Shared libaries |
| 22:35.43 | bpun | ww9736, well maybe .exe can't be trusted :) |
| 22:35.59 | ww9736 | emm... i dont know if it deletes windows... |
| 22:36.14 | pickcoder | it's got to be a hardware config problem if that installer is failing and the netinstall boot CD is failing too |
| 22:36.21 | ww9736 | in my counsin's pc i had installed it using another hard disk |
| 22:36.21 | streuner | allix: so did you install x-window-system yet? |
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| 22:37.02 | streuner | !tell allix about setup x |
| 22:37.03 | allix | streuner, yep, i have it for ages, using GDM , then it decided not too work |
| 22:37.11 | poppyer | hi, since base-config has been removed, what should i use to config the system after debootstrap? |
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| 22:37.13 | DigitalOktay | hmm thx for Information |
| 22:37.32 | streuner | allix: just try 'startx' |
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| 22:37.39 | ww9736 | and can i install debian using windows? (or its a fantasy?) |
| 22:37.52 | allix | streuner, thats what that post is from |
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| 22:38.35 | streuner | !drxx allix |
| 22:38.35 | dpkg | allix: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 22:38.42 | allix | btw, today i installed the nvidia from non-free , which did not work , so i installed the nvidia one of the site, that worked fine until i rebooted |
| 22:38.43 | DigitalOktay | ?? |
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| 22:38.57 | streuner | haha |
| 22:39.14 | allix | could there be corruption by installing two? |
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| 22:39.26 | DigitalOktay | i have a PC with 400 Mhz and IceWM runs perfect, i thing i must buy a new pc, but IceWM runs super, thx Debian ;) |
| 22:39.32 | allix | i thought the nvidia would overwrite it |
| 22:39.39 | allix | is that wrong to think streuner ? |
| 22:39.59 | allix | i could not find ma remove nvidia |
| 22:40.03 | ww9736 | hey... and what about ubuntu? |
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| 22:40.09 | ww9736 | what are the differences? |
| 22:40.43 | tobias_ | dsa-1290 (for squirrelmail) breaks the gpg plugin |
| 22:41.03 | allix | streuner, how would i reinstall the kernel? |
| 22:41.09 | allix | i might try that |
| 22:41.40 | allix | dpkg, how would i reinstall the kernel? |
| 22:41.58 | streuner | !nivdia-installer |
| 22:42.18 | streuner | !nvidia-installer |
| 22:42.18 | dpkg | hmm... nvidia-installer is a clever cross-platform way of installing nvidia's proprietary drivers, which works fine on systems with stupid package managers (i.e. not so good with Debian). more specifically, prone to dying if any X or kernel related packages are upgraded or removed. see <nvidia one-liner> instead |
| 22:42.56 | streuner | the problem is the installer from nvidia itself |
| 22:43.03 | allix | ah |
| 22:43.18 | allix | what should i do because the nvdia driver in stable is too old |
| 22:43.21 | allix | for compiz |
| 22:43.25 | allix | or beryl |
| 22:44.13 | streuner | "simple sid backport" |
| 22:44.34 | streuner | !simple sid backport |
| 22:44.34 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly. |
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| 22:45.37 | DigitalOktay | Hey Good Night Debian Channel |
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| 22:45.58 | dexomsrc | allix:Personally, I use Nvidia's own installer file for drivers. It's the only non-free software I run (besides games) so I make an exception for it and just use Nvidia's proprietary installer. It works fine as long as you keep a couple things in mind (ie how to uninstall it). |
| 22:46.34 | ww9736 | mmm... i will try if works wubi onmycomputer |
| 22:46.37 | allix | dexomsrc, could having two installed be the reason its broken? |
| 22:46.48 | allix | or does the installer know there are two installed |
| 22:46.49 | streuner | better use videocards which provide open-source drivers |
| 22:46.59 | DigitalOktay | Hey Good Night Debian Channel |
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| 22:47.04 | dexomsrc | allix: As long as you have the linux-headers package installed for your appropriate kernel version/subarchitechture and build-essential installed too, it should be fine. |
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| 22:47.12 | ww9736 | Wubi is like the goodbye-microsoft.com, but instead of install debian it installs ubuntu |
| 22:47.26 | allix | dexomsrc, i try reinstalling it |
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| 22:47.40 | dexomsrc | allix: I don't know. Try killing X11 and running the the installer file with the --uninstall command line switch. |
| 22:48.01 | streuner | ww9736: just read ig (/msg dpkg ig) |
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| 22:48.20 | streuner | ww9736: there are several ways to install Debian without using windows ;-) |
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| 22:48.46 | dexomsrc | allix: So run "sh NVIDIA-blah.run --uninstall" |
| 22:48.50 | ww9736 | but without using a cd.... |
| 22:49.20 | dexomsrc | And it should uninstall the drivers. After it's done, run the exact same thing again, and you should see a message saying that there are currently no Nvidia drivers installed at all. |
| 22:49.29 | streuner | ww9736: there are several installer (debian) as well, not only official ones |
| 22:49.44 | ww9736 | if wubi doesn't works i'll try buy a sony cd and burn it with my cousin's computer |
| 22:49.51 | dexomsrc | allix: Then try installing the latest ones. Then restart your display manager (likely gdm) and see if X11 works all right. |
| 22:50.06 | dexomsrc | allix: If it doesn't work for some reason, I'd go to #nvidia and ask for help there. |
| 22:50.06 | PingFloyd | ww9736: there's the floppies too |
| 22:50.19 | ww9736 | but where i can buy floppies? |
| 22:50.29 | PingFloyd | ww9736: 5 floppy images |
| 22:50.36 | streuner | ww9736: if your cousin's box has the same arch, you could just install onto that HD and use it on your box |
| 22:50.39 | bilsta | After changin nameservers in resolve.conf, does anything need to be restarted ? |
| 22:50.48 | ww9736 | :O |
| 22:50.50 | streuner | no |
| 22:50.53 | ww9736 | its a good idea... |
| 22:51.07 | ww9736 | after all the hdd that have debian installed it's mine ;D |
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| 22:51.17 | bilsta | strankan: was that to my question ? |
| 22:51.42 | streuner | bilsta: are you using DHCP? |
| 22:51.46 | ww9736 | or i can stole his dvd drive 'cause he doesn't have installed it xD |
| 22:52.28 | ww9736 | D:!!!! |
| 22:52.53 | ww9736 | wubi i'ts downloading the cd image of ubuntu of 700mb |
| 22:53.13 | ww9736 | 20kbps |
| 22:53.16 | ww9736 | D:! |
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| 22:53.44 | streuner | some people should be able to read |
| 22:53.46 | bilsta | strankan: im not sure. atm the box cant resolve, its a fresh install. I have put in to nameservers in "resolve.conf" And it still cannot resolve |
| 22:53.52 | ww9736 | and what are the unofficial installers of debian? |
| 22:53.53 | allix | dexomsrc, its works, reinstalling it |
| 22:53.54 | allix | thanks |
| 22:54.04 | streuner | !di |
| 22:54.04 | dpkg | Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now the new Testing! |
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| 22:54.52 | streuner | wth removed this factoid |
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| 22:55.31 | streuner | !special installers |
| 22:55.32 | dpkg | somebody said special installers was http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html or http://oss-us.sns.ro/Hilux.html |
| 22:55.54 | Chronosphear | hi, since i upgraded to etch there seems to be a long delay when logging in as root through ssh. after i enter the username but before it requests the password. is that normal and can i turn it off? |
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| 22:56.27 | ww9736 | thanks |
| 22:58.12 | vezult | any suggestions as to where I could ask (on irc) about an odd AC plug on a powerstrip I bought recently? |
| 22:58.12 | itchi | vezult: #hardware ?? |
| 22:58.12 | vezult | itchi: thanks |
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| 22:58.56 | itchi | vezult: No probs ;-) You may like /msg chanserv list *foo* |
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| 22:59.27 | itchi | vezult: (where foo is whatever you want to search) |
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| 23:00.08 | ww9736 | i will try using http://marc.herbert.free.fr/linux/win2linstall.html |
| 23:01.34 | streuner | well, thats not a good idea |
| 23:01.47 | streuner | because it mention 'sarge' which is oldstable... |
| 23:01.50 | ww9736 | why noit |
| 23:02.00 | ww9736 | awwwn |
| 23:02.03 | ww9736 | weel |
| 23:02.07 | ww9736 | i must quit |
| 23:02.16 | ww9736 | for now tomorrow i will continue |
| 23:02.19 | ww9736 | bye :D |
| 23:02.23 | ww9736 | and thanks |
| 23:03.16 | ww9736 | thanks you very much :D::D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D: |
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| 23:05.09 | rcbarnes | apt-cache search Xlib.h didn't find which package provides that file---so could someone point me in the correct direction to find which package (not installed) would provide a certain file? |
| 23:05.25 | streuner | rcbarnes: /msg dpkg search |
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| 23:06.56 | ctp | hi folks. i've started another debian blog, _but_ the idea behind this blog is, that i collect all proposals from you regarding the topics you wish to be covered in the blog. i think about a collection of howtos and walkthroughs where you give me topics you are interested in and i'll try to compose howtos, comparisons between x and y and so on. so, if you're interested, take a look at http://blog.slashconcept.com. the first articles are posted |
| 23:06.56 | ctp | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:08.00 | PumpkinPie | ctp: im not going to read that |
| 23:08.19 | PumpkinPie | did anyone read that? |
| 23:08.22 | itchi | ctp: I may say, stop loosing your time and help us to work on the wiki of Debian |
| 23:08.26 | dkr | me neither, but I thought telling him would be impolite. :) |
| 23:09.55 | otro_viajero7 | it could be anexed to the debian wiki why not ;) |
| 23:10.19 | otro_viajero7 | as a link |
| 23:10.36 | itchi | Yeah, but who own the doc then? Who may add/update some stuff? |
| 23:11.09 | itchi | ... and who gona fight agains the borked links?? |
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| 23:12.05 | ctp | itchi, i did a lot of wiki work last years. but: there doesnt exist a wiki, the users can make proposals about new topics. |
| 23:12.09 | itchi | The big problem is, "share it right" |
| 23:12.41 | itchi | ctp: Make a page of "WantedTopics" but i thought there was already somethings like that |
| 23:13.26 | itchi | ctp: Us miss some good docs, i think it will be ideal to put it on the wiki, question of collaboration |
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| 23:15.52 | itchi | ctp: I think it will be much more easy that, who that want it, add a item to the "WantedTopics" so that these that it to, make the topic too |
| 23:15.53 | ctp | itchi, i dont have a problem, if the public wiki likes articles i have worked on. so if you like some of the posts, i am agreed with copying them into the wiki. |
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| 23:16.05 | itchi | want* |
| 23:16.35 | HappyMandy | hi! is there a bot that explains all debian packages packages |
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| 23:16.49 | HappyMandy | like apt-cache show |
| 23:16.51 | itchi | ctp: The big problem is that docs are quick outdated, and "we" not always have the time to, or the knowledges to update it |
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| 23:17.09 | itchi | HappyMandy: Define explain |
| 23:17.34 | itchi | HappyMandy: Fire up aptitude and look?? |
| 23:17.46 | HappyMandy | :D |
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| 23:19.07 | itchi | ctp: Usually people just 'take' what these needs, so i may say that there will be no one page that is OT, if it's still debian related |
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| 23:22.05 | ctp | itchi, ok, i know. i always try to update my docs. some of the docs i have written lost their validity switching from sarge to etch, so now i rewrite all the docs. |
| 23:22.39 | itchi | ctp: You see, you could get help heh ;-) And at all it's for "us" |
| 23:23.21 | ctp | ok, so your proposal is? |
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| 23:23.41 | itchi | ctp: I may say to put in on the official wiki (if there's not a such topic) |
| 23:24.17 | itchi | ctp: A "WantedTopics" will be nice too |
| 23:24.37 | itchi | That will be a bit confusing with the "WantedPages" :-s |
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| 23:25.43 | itchi | ctp: Note that i'm not an official Debian dev heh :-p |
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| 23:30.56 | *** topic/#debian is ETCH IS NOW STABLE: /msg dpkg etch | /msg dpkg sarge->etch ! Lenny is the new testing! | /msg dpkg lenny | /msg dpkg etch->lenny | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC | /msg dpkg bts | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java |
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| 23:31.09 | itchi | ctp: You are free to do what you want :-) I just gave my opignion, thanks to have listen to it :-) |
| 23:31.15 | Impiety | thank you guys very much |
| 23:31.23 | giorgian | hi. when i run gdb i get: "Failed to read a valid object file image from memory." google says it maybe a kernel related problem (i use: 2.6.18-4-k7), but doesn't say nothing about solutions... |
| 23:31.31 | ctp | itchi, ;-) |
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| 23:36.20 | karsten | giorgian: running gdb on what, how? |
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| 23:36.40 | pro | can anyone tell me what package on etch provides rndc ? |
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| 23:36.44 | karsten | HardDisk_WP: /packages.debian.org/ |
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| 23:36.45 | abrotman | !search |
| 23:36.45 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see ... |
| 23:36.46 | nitos | hi..... |
| 23:36.48 | pro | or how i can find out? |
| 23:36.58 | jelly-home | pro: bind9, most likely |
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| 23:37.02 | karsten | !tell abrotman about itchy trigger finger |
| 23:37.06 | jelly-home | !tell pro about search |
| 23:37.22 | nitos | how is everyone??????? |
| 23:37.23 | abrotman | !scratch karsten |
| 23:37.38 | pro | abrotman, nope, didnt work |
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| 23:37.54 | abrotman | pro: what didn't work ? |
| 23:37.59 | nitos | hello?? |
| 23:38.04 | abrotman | nitos: yes .. we see you |
| 23:38.10 | pro | the dpkg -S and the packages.debian.org |
| 23:38.11 | nitos | sup man |
| 23:38.17 | abrotman | pro: try the apt-file bit |
| 23:38.28 | giorgian | karsten: i write a whatever.c file, gcc -g whatever.c -o whatever, then gdb ./whatever ; it seems working until i hit r, then i get the message. then, breakpoints don't work |
| 23:38.37 | nitos | is this like a feedback.. chat |
| 23:38.42 | abrotman | it's a support channel |
| 23:38.58 | abrotman | !es |
| 23:38.58 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 23:39.02 | karsten | giorgian: NFC, but you might try asking in a dev channel rather than here, doesn't sound Debian-specific. |
| 23:39.14 | karsten | !topicsmite nitos |
| 23:39.14 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon nitos. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 23:39.15 | pro | abrotman, ok |
| 23:39.29 | abrotman | pro: and packages.debian.org can find it for you also |
| 23:39.37 | nitos | dpkg> de q esta hablando?? q es un #debian-es? |
| 23:39.54 | abrotman | nitos: dpkg is a bot |
| 23:40.06 | abrotman | nitos: do you ahve a question about Debian ? |
| 23:40.11 | pro | abrotman, nope, packages.debian takes me to a google thing.... |
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| 23:40.21 | nitos | yes i dont know what it is.. |
| 23:40.23 | abrotman | pro: packages.debian.org |
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| 23:40.24 | pro | oh, wait, that search.... |
| 23:40.28 | abrotman | !tell nitos about debian |
| 23:40.33 | nitos | thanks |
| 23:40.39 | pro | sorry i was hitting the big search button on the top |
| 23:40.49 | jelly-home | pro: packages.debian.org, search contents of the packages, " packages that contain files or directories whose names contain the keyword", look for bin/rndc |
| 23:41.21 | nitos | oh i see like linux or Windows?? |
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| 23:42.07 | nitos | does it worths to download?? |
| 23:42.13 | abrotman | try it and let us know |
| 23:42.30 | nitos | is it hard? to learn?? |
| 23:42.33 | jelly-home | nitos: it probably won't fix your question mark key?? |
| 23:42.51 | nitos | what? |
| 23:43.00 | nitos | hahaha |
| 23:43.22 | nitos | no is just this keyboard i have |
| 23:43.29 | nitos | jelly-home |
| 23:43.59 | itchi | !tell nitos about enter |
| 23:44.02 | jelly-home | nitos: got it. |
| 23:44.04 | abrotman | like that'll work |
| 23:44.40 | nitos | yea |
| 23:44.59 | nitos | im 15 years old and my native language is spanish/.. |
| 23:45.20 | karsten | nitos: I'd suggest you read this page and maybe just sit quietly in the channel for a while. http://www.debian.org/index.es.html |
| 23:45.38 | nitos | why? |
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| 23:46.03 | abrotman | or try #debian-es |
| 23:46.04 | nitos | oh is in spanish |
| 23:46.07 | nitos | thanks |
| 23:46.17 | sussudio | %tejon |
| 23:46.17 | badgers | http://faunaiberica.org/especies.php3?esp=52 |
| 23:46.34 | sussudio | hm. |
| 23:46.50 | karsten | nitos: Asking lots fo questions readily answered from a small amount of research tends to be annoying. |
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| 23:47.08 | jelly-home | sussudio: gives me a Spanish 404 |
| 23:47.18 | abrotman | sussudio: it's not there! |
| 23:47.29 | sussudio | bastards. |
| 23:47.31 | jelly-home | or, in its own words, ¡Ups! |
| 23:48.07 | jensens | is there a way to get a python 2.3 for Etch? |
| 23:48.22 | jelly-home | http://web.archive.org/web/20060427002900/http://faunaiberica.org/especies.php3?esp=52 |
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| 23:48.31 | jelly-home | :-) |
| 23:48.33 | sussudio | badgers no, tejon is http://hispagua.cedex.es/datos/agua_espana/img/galerianimales/images/tejon2.jpg |
| 23:48.33 | badgers | okay, sussudio |
| 23:49.00 | jelly-home | sussudio: what about their mortal enemies, snakes and mushrooms? |
| 23:49.59 | nitos | so what if i make too many questions... isnt this for that? |
| 23:50.52 | nitos | well ill just stay with the normal software |
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| 23:51.02 | karsten | !customer |
| 23:51.03 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 23:52.26 | itchi | jensens: You can install it per user too |
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| 23:55.06 | Talaturen | Hello, I am trying to launch a game, but I get this error: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 23:55.07 | Talaturen | , how can I solve it? |
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| 23:56.02 | giorgian | Talaturen: which game? |
| 23:56.15 | Talaturen | giorgian, Tibia |
| 23:56.23 | ww9736 | hi again |
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| 23:56.48 | RubenGA | Hi, what is the way using named/bind to do not enable tcp? |
| 23:57.36 | giorgian | Talaturen: doesn't sound like a debian packaged game... anyway: apt-get install libgl1-mesa-swx11 or something like that should do |
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| 23:58.02 | Talaturen | giorgian, it has two linux clients libc5 and libc6, tried both and same error |
| 23:58.13 | Talaturen | giorgian, okey I'll try that |
| 23:59.19 | Talaturen | giorgian, libgl1-mesa-swx11 is already the newest version. =/ |
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