| 00:00.00 | itchi | Normally that's automagically created i thought |
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| 00:00.32 | bpun | Guerin, or maybe.. are you really mister wilson turned nice? just kidding ... mwilson was pretty much a disaster hehe |
| 00:00.48 | militant | itchi: maybe i'm missing some software/whatever for things? i have gphoto2 or whatever |
| 00:01.02 | itchi | Someone know a good RAID1 howto? I gona follow this one http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/238 |
| 00:01.12 | itchi | militant: Is the cam been detected? |
| 00:01.21 | Guerin | bpun: heh |
| 00:01.33 | itchi | yeah, sorry :-p |
| 00:02.05 | itchi | militant: Do like Guerin told you |
| 00:02.17 | Guerin | itchi: i didn't tell him anything |
| 00:02.28 | itchi | A jump on another keyboard layout is *hard* :-p |
| 00:02.28 | Guerin | itchi: he already symlinked it himself and it's throwing errors |
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| 00:03.07 | militant | itchi: it's detecting the cam as far as knowing there's a usb device and creating a /dev/usb/001/00* entry |
| 00:03.51 | nvz | militant: sounds to me like the host controller's drivers found it, that doesnt mean you can do anything useful with it |
| 00:04.04 | nvz | militant: you still need a higher level driver that speaks its language |
| 00:04.17 | sudo_maddash | :O Guerin |
| 00:04.27 | nvz | cameras have different fps, compression types, data protocols.. blah blah blah |
| 00:04.39 | itchi | I'm not that out of order i thought. wtf |
| 00:04.53 | nvz | the driver code is what makes all that seemless to the programs |
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| 00:05.21 | twobitsprite | does anyone know of a good program for mind mapping? |
| 00:05.33 | militant | nvz the gphoto2 driver page lists this cam as supported |
| 00:05.36 | Guerin | twobitsprite: apt-get-install pen paper |
| 00:05.41 | nvz | its like the difference between me plugging in my mp3 player and it being detected and given a usb address, and it being claimed by the mass-storage driver and assigned block devices |
| 00:05.46 | twobitsprite | Guerin: haha |
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| 00:06.11 | Guerin | twobitsprite: seriously - I do a lot of this and no computer program i've ever found comes close |
| 00:06.13 | twobitsprite | Guerin: refactoring ideas on paper is tedious at best |
| 00:06.13 | nvz | unless you know the cameras language, then you need a higher level driver to claim it |
| 00:06.21 | bpun | twobitsprite, what the hell do you mean mind mapping? |
| 00:06.32 | twobitsprite | Guerin: yeah, I could see how it would be hard to find one that works just right |
| 00:06.36 | Guerin | twobitsprite: yes. But it's better than trying to do it on computer. |
| 00:06.42 | militant | nvz: higher driver for what, i thought gphoto did it? |
| 00:06.51 | twobitsprite | bpun: check wikipedia |
| 00:07.04 | Guerin | twobitsprite: i've been trying to migrate my research process from paper to computer, and it's harder than it might seem. |
| 00:07.05 | twobitsprite | bpun: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_map |
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| 00:07.12 | bpun | twobitsprite, sorry I think I read up about already about cluelessness |
| 00:07.16 | nvz | militant: how can gphoto do anything until the device attached to the host controller can transmit and decompress data to userland appliccations? |
| 00:07.26 | twobitsprite | bpun: eh? |
| 00:07.51 | twobitsprite | bpun: are you trying to be sassy, or am I just misunderstanding your horrible english? |
| 00:07.57 | nvz | militant: thats like me not loading mass-stoage and telling gtk pod to run as root and raw access an ipod without the kernel handling it as a block storage device |
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| 00:08.42 | bpun | twobitsprite, seems like your windowish.. there's a program already similar to those what you call correct expressions.. |
| 00:08.50 | militant | nvz: ok, i don't know what you're getting at. i don't know what else i would need to get or look at. |
| 00:09.07 | twobitsprite | bpun: what are you talking about? |
| 00:09.10 | sudo_maddash | nvz: how do you manage that? |
| 00:09.13 | bpun | twobitsprite, perhaps kde team has something in stock.. |
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| 00:09.44 | sudo_maddash | nvz: gtkpod works by accessing the ipod on a filesystem level |
| 00:09.47 | nvz | militant: me either cause all I've seen is useless information about your usb host controller and your unknown camera type being compatible with gphoto which is 100% irrelevant.. the app wouldnt know your camera if you threw it at the screen |
| 00:10.07 | nvz | sudo_maddash: shh, get a clue thats the point i am making |
| 00:10.30 | sudo_maddash | nvz: oh. heh. sorry. |
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| 00:10.48 | bitter- | i'm sorry, this is a dumb question |
| 00:10.55 | militant | nvz: ok look. i appreciate you trying to help. if you want to succeed in helping, tell me what you need to know. it's a d-link dsc 350, and i have gphoto drivers, and gphotofs for the file system stuff. |
| 00:11.02 | nvz | militant: is the camera a snap photos type camera that needs to be mounted as a block device, or is it serial stream of compressed data.. i.e. webcam |
| 00:11.10 | bitter- | im not so sure how to mix differnt package types (stable/unstable) |
| 00:11.16 | twobitsprite | Guerin: so... you say you've tried different things... have anything that I might be interested in at least trying out? |
| 00:11.23 | militant | nvz: it does both. takes a few photos and puts them in storage - and works as a streaming webcam too |
| 00:11.26 | bitter- | i'm portage retarded :) |
| 00:11.28 | nvz | either way you need a driver that does something more useful than give it an address on the bus |
| 00:11.42 | nvz | militant: does is have a mass-storage mode? |
| 00:11.53 | sudo_maddash | bitter-: backports? |
| 00:11.56 | twobitsprite | bitter-: portage is just retarded, no worries :P |
| 00:12.00 | nvz | militant: have you tried loading the usb mass storage driver? |
| 00:12.05 | sudo_maddash | !tell bitter- about backports |
| 00:12.09 | militant | nvz: i have no idea, it's a piece of junk i got 3 years ago for 15-20 bucks. |
| 00:12.12 | sudo_maddash | !tell bitter- about pinning |
| 00:12.20 | bitter- | sudo_maddash: for example, the last.fm client is in stable and testing, and a newer one is in unstable |
| 00:12.29 | bitter- | sudo_maddash: how do i say "install the unstable one" |
| 00:12.47 | sudo_maddash | bitter-: backports are your solution. read dpkg's msgs. |
| 00:12.50 | nvz | militant: modprobe usb_storage |
| 00:12.51 | bitter- | backports |
| 00:12.52 | bitter- | okay |
| 00:12.55 | militant | i get a popup in gnome that says the cam has photos waiting on it, asks if i wanna import them |
| 00:13.11 | militant | and fails |
| 00:13.11 | militant | ok |
| 00:13.22 | bitter- | i've got like everything down, so far my powerbook g3 is really snappy and nice |
| 00:13.31 | bitter- | just a few sources and apt things im getting used to |
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| 00:13.36 | militant | nvz: then what? try gqcam? |
| 00:13.39 | nvz | militant: well that would probably launch gphoto then.. idk.. I dont fool with all that modern graphical crap.. |
| 00:13.48 | militant | it doesn't launch anything. |
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| 00:14.11 | sudo_maddash | bitter-: which version is this? how snappy is it? |
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| 00:14.36 | nvz | militant: well regaurdless the camera needs to be accessible first it having and address on the usb bus is completly useless accept to be claimed by another driver |
| 00:14.36 | sudo_maddash | bitter-: version of debian, that is |
| 00:14.59 | nvz | militant: you need to load a damn driver like I've been saying for 15 minutes and figure out what device node its connected to |
| 00:15.02 | sudo_maddash | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:15.04 | bitter- | sudo_maddash: this is etch |
| 00:15.22 | bitter- | sudo_maddash: machine is 300mhz g3 with 192mb |
| 00:15.37 | militant | nvz: i don't know HOW to do that. i have a 'damn driver' int eh form of gphoto that supports this cam's chipset. and i don't know how to check device nodes and all that, i'm still figuring a few things out in linux |
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| 00:15.55 | sudo_maddash | bitter-: and you've got X11 running and all? with a wm? and it's still snappy with X? |
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| 00:16.21 | bitter- | sudo_maddash: i had gentoo on it before, but i just installed etch + xorg + xfce |
| 00:16.30 | bitter- | sudo_maddash: even have a pcmcia wirelss card going |
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| 00:16.49 | bitter- | sudo_maddash: it's not blazing fast, but it's snappy enough to surf the web and whatnot |
| 00:16.59 | JessyKA | hi |
| 00:17.03 | sudo_maddash | bitter-: why'd you switch from gentoo? |
| 00:17.04 | nvz | militant: gphoto runs in userspace and has no way of even knowing the camera exists much less "supporting it" the camera is hardware, and must have a kernel mode driver module and when it does, its completly irelevant if applications support it or not, once its supported by the kernel everything in userspace supports it, including bash, xterm, cp, dd, cpio, rsync.. whatever |
| 00:17.41 | bitter- | sudo_maddash: i'd rather have a binary distro for this computer than be stuck with the limited set of binaries gentoo gives out |
| 00:17.48 | JessyKA | how di i change/set the system clock ? since my xclock is showing the time 2 hours ahead |
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| 00:18.06 | militant | nvz: ok, i wasn't aware of that. i don't know *WHAT* i need to look at, google, or do, for kernel drivers. i didn't think i'd need multiple drivers for a single device, i'm very confused. |
| 00:18.07 | bitter- | sudo_maddash: either that, or compile everything and i'm impatient. i'm happy with it at this point |
| 00:18.39 | sudo_maddash | bitter-: smart. but many of the binaries in the stable (and even up to the unstable) repos are outdated. |
| 00:19.36 | bitter- | sudo_maddash: still, much more selection if you ask me |
| 00:19.48 | blahbleh | \q |
| 00:20.01 | cafuego | JessyKA: Easuest is via `ntpdate' |
| 00:20.03 | bitter- | sudo_maddash: if i want a very very recent package xyz, i'll build it or whatever |
| 00:20.07 | nvz | militant: if this is the kind of camera that takes movies and videos and saves them to media rather than streams them, then its likely a USB mass storage device and you would load the usb_storage driver which connects it to a block device node, that you can then mount and access like any other filesystem from any application |
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| 00:21.06 | bitter- | sudo_maddash: with gentoo on this machine, it was like "oh i need x", but that means compile a b c deps first, and it's just time consuming (and disk space is small, too) |
| 00:21.29 | nvz | militant: if you create a directory in /media/ for it then mount it there, then it should show up on the desktop in most DE's |
| 00:21.53 | nvz | as for how udev, hal, and all that non-sense works I have no idea |
| 00:22.06 | sudo_maddash | bitter-: yeah, but with gentoo, you have full optimization! and everything is so little faster! ;). |
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| 00:23.35 | piztek3 | when can I expect to see new nvidia drivers in lenny repositories? i'm using 1.0.8776-4? |
| 00:24.02 | militant | nvz it has an internal 8mb. it stores stuff there, yes. it *also* streams as a webcam. now, you're saying i should try to mount the appropriate /dev/bus/usb/foo/foo as a filesystem now that i have usb_storage up? |
| 00:24.26 | bitter- | sudo_maddash: that occured to me too, after about 3 years in the gentoo world |
| 00:24.52 | bitter- | sudo_maddash: i *know* how it works, i don't need to build each and every system by hand and compile every line of code |
| 00:26.36 | nvz | militant: /dev/bus/usb/ as I said earlier is just a usb bus address used by higher level drivers to do something useful.. in case of a mass storage device, the higher level driver is usb_storage and when it claims the USB device at a particular address, its assigns it block device nodes usually with the SCSI disk layer and would be /dev/sd* |
| 00:26.47 | militant | ohhh |
| 00:26.48 | militant | ok |
| 00:26.51 | militant | hang then :) |
| 00:27.13 | nvz | militant: unless you know specifically the protocol of a device and what kind of data comes out of it and can read it in its native format you have no business reading from the USB bus directly |
| 00:27.47 | bitter- | sudo_maddash: in this case, i have 2 nearly identical powerbooks. one had a brighter screen and a normal (for me) keyboard. the other had a faster processor. so, i've put one together with the normal keyboard, more ram, faster cpu, and decent screen. |
| 00:28.04 | militant | oh. i have no /dev/sd* of any sort it seems. |
| 00:28.16 | sudo_maddash | bitter-: er, you *built* yourself a powerbook? |
| 00:28.18 | bitter- | sudo_maddash: i suppose i could get one of those g4 upgrades cheap, but i dunno. this one will probably be a music player, mainly, so what it has should work fine |
| 00:28.39 | bitter- | sudo_maddash: well, i just transplanted a few parts ;) one of them had a 2gb hd, imagine that! |
| 00:29.03 | nvz | militant: could be using something like udev that creates them on the fly as needed by drivers |
| 00:29.10 | sudo_maddash | bitter-: i heard those g3/4's can get hot enough to fry an egg on the underside |
| 00:29.24 | nvz | militant: make sure usb_storage is loaded and check dmesg, to see if it has claimed any devices |
| 00:29.49 | bitter- | sudo_maddash: it's definitely toasty |
| 00:30.05 | bitter- | sudo_maddash: i wouldn't dare try and overclock it |
| 00:30.21 | militant | nvz: /dev/.udev shows a few more files when it's plugged in than when it's not. checking dmesg now |
| 00:30.24 | sudo_maddash | bitter-: can you undervolt/-clock? |
| 00:30.31 | nvz | militant: some devices will automatically switch on in mass-storage mode when plugged into a powered USB port but others may need to be turned put into that mode before you can mount them |
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| 00:30.52 | bitter- | sudo_maddash: i would assume so, but it's all resistor chopping and really tiny parts |
| 00:31.08 | bitter- | sudo_maddash: i've got bad eyesight, so i'll leave well enough alone |
| 00:31.22 | militant | nvz: it shows new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 11 |
| 00:31.25 | bitter- | sudo_maddash: i've gotta turn this computer over to my kid, will bbl :) |
| 00:31.32 | sudo_maddash | bitter-: undervolting doesn't necessarily involve hardware modifications... |
| 00:31.45 | nvz | militant: my mp3 player does it automatically, but I've seen cell phones which use their usb ports for charging, for headphones, for data transfers..etc and being a multi-purpose port it doesnt assume what you are doing with that port when you plug something in, you have to tell it.. |
| 00:32.46 | nvz | militant: all that means is the host controller recognises it, if its not followed by messages of being claimed by another driver, then you can't do anything with it |
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| 00:33.20 | militant | claimed by another driver. hmmm. any idea what driver? if you mean a driver that supports the camera's chip...? |
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| 00:34.20 | militant | fact is, this camera works in linux. it's specifically listed as a supported, working device. there's something i'm not doing or something i don't have, is the problem. and i don't know where to really begin on that |
| 00:34.21 | nvz | militant: for retrieving saved files it would be usb_storage as I said that would assign it a SCSI Disk node, but for the streaming as a webcam, yes you'd need a driver that understands its compression format, frame rate, color format..etc |
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| 00:34.47 | nvz | militant: like I said there may be a specific way to tell the camera to switch to storage mode or live mode |
| 00:34.58 | nvz | militant: and seperate drivers would be required for each mode |
| 00:35.24 | militant | nvz: i have usb_storage going on. and the gphoto thing is... bah. hang on. lemme go dig thru available packages and related things |
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| 00:36.03 | sudo_maddash | whoever came up with the 'sex' factoid deserves a prize |
| 00:37.13 | nvz | militant: I am almost certain there is NOBODY programming opensource userspace applications to specifically access certain hardware on linux.. everyone accesses things through kernel modules using the device nodes on the filesystem. so software is irrelevant aside from kernel modules, and the hardware itself are the issue |
| 00:37.53 | nvz | militant: all cameras are accessed in one of two ways in userspace, as storage, or as streams.. the kernel modules translate for the specific hardware |
| 00:38.29 | militant | nvz: i'm looking at a page that says the driver i have, the spca50x usb camera driver, supports my cam. adn that driver is installed. and from there, i have no idea :/ |
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| 00:40.10 | nvz | militant: well that driver would be for the live mode most likely.. unless your camera isnt mass-storage compatible.. as most devices are |
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| 00:41.13 | nvz | militant: what I am telling you is that you may have to flip a switch or access an on-screen menu on the camera to tell it to be powered off, charging, displaying content, serving as a mass storage device, taking picutres/videos, or being a live webcam |
| 00:41.32 | nvz | militant: until the device presents itself as a mass stroage device it cannot be claimed by the driver |
| 00:41.50 | militant | nvz: the cam is a crappy and very simple one. it doesn't erspond to button presses when it's plugged in, at all |
| 00:42.44 | nvz | sounds like a proprietary driver then that does the file-transfer and live stream all in one and not mass-storage capable |
| 00:43.49 | nvz | you would need that driver to claim the device, which it apparently isn't doing or you'd see it in dmesg |
| 00:43.49 | militant | i don't know why there would be a proprietary driver. there's the spca50x driver that supports the cam, according to the author's website. |
| 00:44.26 | nvz | well by proprietary I meant simply not the universal usb_storage driver sane people use |
| 00:45.49 | militant | ahh |
| 00:45.50 | nvz | which works for everything from external hard drives, and burners, to cell phones, mp3 players, cameras, pen drives.. etc |
| 00:45.50 | nvz | anything that can be accessed as a block device via usb |
| 00:46.22 | nvz | militant: seems to me like whatever driver you got isnt doing its job.. if its not claiming the device. maybe you need to try a different kernel if you dont see any messages when you load that driver |
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| 00:46.40 | sudo_maddash | good night, honorables. |
| 00:46.45 | nvz | a different kernel or rebuildig a newer version of that module from source |
| 00:46.59 | aldin | how to change password on freenode? |
| 00:47.07 | nvz | aldin: /msg nickserv help |
| 00:47.31 | nvz | aldin: /msg nickserv help set |
| 00:47.34 | nvz | I think is the option |
| 00:48.22 | aldin | nvz: ok |
| 00:48.55 | nvz | ugh I tried to eat some ice cream to curb the feeling, but I am like shaking over here like I need to eat or smoke something.. ugh I'm like jonsing and I dont know what fore |
| 00:49.15 | nvz | I can't possibly need anything right now.. |
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| 00:49.41 | nvz | but my body is telling me different than my mind which say's I'm cool, chill out |
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| 00:50.36 | aldin | nvz: thanks /msg nickserv set password <newpassword> worked |
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| 00:52.47 | nvz | oh well I'm gonna cook something cause if not I am gonna sit here and look like i'm having a nurvous fit too much energy nothing left to do at 9pm |
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| 00:53.43 | nvz | I think I'm obsessive compulsive or maybe just ADDHD or something |
| 00:53.54 | nvz | can't sit still unless I'm beat and ready to sleep |
| 00:54.45 | nvz | why the hell is nobody talking in here!! ahh!! |
| 00:54.52 | nvz | heh |
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| 00:55.02 | Madkiss | hi all. |
| 00:55.09 | cast | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:55.13 | cast | .. |
| 00:55.17 | cast | i hate when that happens. |
| 00:55.27 | stoned | hi |
| 00:55.31 | Madkiss | just a short question: is there any way to dump a mysql database other than "mysqldump"? |
| 00:55.50 | Flashylight | um yes |
| 00:55.56 | Flashylight | phpmyadmin |
| 00:56.03 | Flashylight | generate dumps |
| 00:56.06 | Madkiss | ew. |
| 00:56.11 | nvz | cast: yeah its like when everyone at a good loud party shuts up at once, and only your voice can be heard shouting at the top of your lungs, "right, I know, what I am going to do is have my testicles lamintated" |
| 00:56.15 | Madkiss | mysqldump: Couldn't execute 'show create table `jos_core_acl_aro`': Lost connection to MySQL server during query (2013) -- is what mysqldump tells me. |
| 00:56.19 | Madkiss | ican perfectly execute that command on the command line, tho. |
| 00:56.23 | militant | nvz: actually i just discovered i have a driver module already. but modprobe and insmod won't load it. shall i assume it's more likely to work if i build it from source? |
| 00:56.37 | nvz | militant: what do you mean it won't load it, whats the error? |
| 00:56.45 | nvz | militant: dont use insmod by the way, thats ancient |
| 00:57.12 | militant | insmod: error inserting '/usr/lib/libgphoto2/2.2.1/spca50x.so': -1 Invalid module format |
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| 00:57.19 | nvz | insmod and rmmod are not to be used anymore |
| 00:57.42 | militant | ok |
| 00:57.42 | cast | really? what replaces rmmod? |
| 00:57.42 | nvz | militant: thats not a kernel module, and insmod isnt to be used |
| 00:57.43 | nvz | cast: modprobe |
| 00:57.43 | asg | cast: modprobe -r |
| 00:57.46 | cast | ahh. |
| 00:58.01 | bpun | debian netinsta installed fine on my pentium1 laptop, however the kernels i list don't mention pentium and was wondering if i should change my current one (which suffixes -486) to one mentione as PPro/PII .. anyone? |
| 00:58.27 | militant | ok. then what do i do with this? /usr/lib/libgphoto2/2.2.1/spca50x.so ... i dunno. gah. |
| 00:58.37 | nvz | militant: thats a standard shared library for gphoto2 |
| 00:59.06 | militant | oh |
| 00:59.06 | stoned | bpun regular ol' 386 kernel is good for pentium 1 |
| 00:59.10 | Fetrovsky | The GNU Operating System |
| 00:59.14 | Fetrovsky | is that debian? |
| 00:59.14 | militant | ok. i found soemthing. brb |
| 00:59.44 | stoned | I mean for a cpu tht old you really won't get much out of an "optimized" kernel like 486, 686, etc. etc. |
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| 00:59.54 | stoned | its old.. you know, its just too old. |
| 01:00.19 | nvz | militant: if it were a kernel module it would be in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/spca50x.ko and you would just type modprobe spca50x to load it |
| 01:00.31 | cast | Fetrovsky: debian is based on the gnu os, but its not the official gnu os thus doesn't deserve the "The" part perhaps |
| 01:00.35 | trouble_funk | a 586 kernel would be better for p1 |
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| 01:01.06 | militant | ok got the module loaded. had to apt-get a package real quick |
| 01:01.07 | Fetrovsky | cast: so what is "The GNU Operating System" ? |
| 01:01.08 | militant | yeesh :) |
| 01:01.12 | Fetrovsky | which one is it? |
| 01:01.15 | cast | Fetrovsky: it is a distribution of the GNU OS perhaps :) |
| 01:01.21 | stoned | there are many gnu operating systems |
| 01:01.31 | trouble_funk | GNU Hurd |
| 01:01.36 | stoned | debian for one |
| 01:01.41 | trouble_funk | is the GNU OS |
| 01:01.47 | stoned | hurd is a mere kernel |
| 01:01.52 | stoned | just as linux is a mere kernel |
| 01:01.58 | bpun | stoned, well you can use -386 on pentium 4, but what's the gain? i want processor support :) |
| 01:02.01 | stoned | an os is a collection of gnu lisenced software |
| 01:02.06 | nvz | stoned: yeah the one componant the GNU was missing to make an OS |
| 01:02.09 | Fetrovsky | coz i just went to www.gnu.org |
| 01:02.14 | Fetrovsky | and that was the heading |
| 01:02.30 | bpun | well i guess i'll grab ppro/pII.. should do for pentiumI hehehe |
| 01:02.31 | Fetrovsky | "The GNU Operating System " |
| 01:02.31 | stoned | nvz: :) |
| 01:02.31 | trouble_funk | the original GNU OS was GNU userspace + Hurd |
| 01:02.31 | Fetrovsky | and I was wondering what was it |
| 01:02.35 | nvz | stoned: so in a way it is the GNU OS |
| 01:02.40 | stoned | not entirely |
| 01:02.40 | stoned | its just a kernel |
| 01:02.44 | stoned | without all the gnu software, its just a kernel |
| 01:03.00 | nvz | stoned: yeah but it completes the system they've had for like a decade |
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| 01:03.07 | stoned | its an integral part of the os, yes, but not the os itself |
| 01:03.07 | trouble_funk | it was planned to be together |
| 01:03.14 | stoned | nvz: i agree fully |
| 01:03.17 | cafuego | No it's not. Without gnu softwasre it's source code ;-) |
| 01:03.21 | stoned | lol |
| 01:03.24 | stoned | smart ass! |
| 01:03.25 | militant | nvz: i really appreciate your patience. the module is working, gtkam can read the pics now. next to test video capability :) |
| 01:03.32 | jetscreamer | gd fonts |
| 01:03.36 | Flashylight | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLIBKr1Il8I# |
| 01:03.41 | stoned | man nvz is the most patient guy |
| 01:03.42 | bpun | ~ask about smartass |
| 01:03.56 | nvz | militant: I appreciate you getting past the nonsense that had nothing to do with the problem :P |
| 01:04.03 | stoned | jetscreamer: hi |
| 01:04.07 | militant | i don't know what's what, so ... yeah :) |
| 01:04.28 | bpun | stoned, a smartass is someone who sits on icecream and can tell you what flavor it is.. |
| 01:04.44 | stoned | I was talking to cafuego |
| 01:04.44 | nvz | bpun: heh |
| 01:04.50 | cafuego | you've never even met my ass |
| 01:04.51 | asg | bpun: that's an ass with taste |
| 01:04.54 | stoned | lol |
| 01:05.02 | stoned | see, thats what I'm talkin about ;) |
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| 01:05.20 | jdavis | I am trying to make a simple .deb package. I am putting files in /usr/local. When I uninstall my package, I get a warning that /usr/local is not empty. Is this normal? |
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| 01:05.43 | stoned | jdavis: how are you making a package?" |
| 01:06.06 | jdavis | stoned: dpkg-deb -b my_package |
| 01:06.21 | stoned | jdavis: no from a deb source or actual source? |
| 01:06.27 | cafuego | jdavis: Generally you get that message if you've added stuff to a package-created dir *after* installing the package. |
| 01:06.35 | trouble_funk | I wonder if running real-time kernel is good for desktop |
| 01:06.36 | jdavis | stoned: where my_package contains a DEBIAN/control and then a bunch of files in a hierarchy |
| 01:06.41 | nvz | smart-ass means you know what's what, but you don't get to the point cause you're too self-important and just like to hear yourself talk |
| 01:06.49 | stoned | i see yeh i was just about to say what cafuego did |
| 01:07.38 | jdavis | cafuego: right. my /usr/local has other stuff in it like /usr/local/games, which was put in by some other package I assume (I didn't put /usr/local/games there, anyway) |
| 01:07.43 | bpun | asg, thanks for the gadget hint, just ordered one on ebay..awaiting shipping charges.. can't wait to try squid.. and block my brother from watching porn.. pretty nasty habits.. |
| 01:07.55 | cafuego | bpun: Incidentally, a ppro/p2 (i686) kernel is not normally suitable for a p1 (i586). |
| 01:08.37 | nvz | stoned: but you didnt, cause you got high, cause you got high, cause you got high.. |
| 01:08.39 | militant | nvz: ok, gqcam still wnats /dev/video ... and i have no idea what to symlink that to. ideas? |
| 01:08.49 | asg | bpun: just restrict him to disney.com ;) |
| 01:08.58 | stoned | heh |
| 01:09.00 | jdavis | stoned, cafuego: If I were to uninstall some random package why wouldn't it give me warnings like "/usr/bin not empty" "/etc not empty" |
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| 01:09.09 | bpun | cafuego, ok :).. o btw, the debian 3 install i had on this 2g, (just did a clean install from cd netinst image) it mentioned about using a bypass on the pentium 1 bug.. this stupid processor has that old p1 bug..bummers.. |
| 01:09.09 | nvz | militant: not a clue. if you got a driver loaded, it should have provided you some output |
| 01:09.19 | militant | nvz: lemme unload and reload it and see |
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| 01:09.33 | cafuego | bpun: It knows about it, so it's not a problem. |
| 01:09.36 | asg | stoned: actually, best url faux pas I saw recently was someone going to python.com instead of .org during an important presentation |
| 01:09.37 | bpun | cafuego, (currently i have the new debian 4 on here fyi)-- dam should of said it sooner.. |
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| 01:09.51 | stoned | hmm |
| 01:10.04 | bpun | cafuego, i'd yet to see it listed in dmesg.. would double check.. |
| 01:10.07 | jdavis | stoned, cafuego: and how did /usr/local/games get there anyway, if I do a "dpkg -S /usr/local" nothing appears. |
| 01:10.15 | stoned | i have never seen python.com so I can't immagine it being a faux pa |
| 01:10.23 | cafuego | jdavis: Because those packages normally install into existing dirs, they don't create them. |
| 01:10.34 | cafuego | stoned: "faux pas" |
| 01:10.42 | jdavis | cafuego: how do I tell my program to not "create" /usr/local? |
| 01:10.53 | jdavis | cafuego: of course /usr/local is there before it was installed. |
| 01:11.01 | cafuego | jdavis: By tweaking the install path in its Makefile. |
| 01:11.03 | stoned | ahhh, I see how its a faux pax |
| 01:11.04 | nvz | militant: I know nothing about /dev/video or what driver might manage that.. it could be similar to the /dev/input/ which is a generic layer that stands between hardware drivers and userspace applications.. I only know about the mass-storage cameras and basic kernel knowledge.. but I am not familiar with anything video related, from tuners, to broadcasting, framebuffers, or any of that |
| 01:11.08 | stoned | its a porn site |
| 01:11.08 | stoned | hahaha |
| 01:11.29 | militant | nvz: modprobing the gspca doesn't give any output, and dmesg shows various info but not anything bout where on the filesystem it is |
| 01:11.35 | asg | stoned: :) |
| 01:11.37 | jdavis | cafuego: I'm not making anything, it's just a few files for a proprietary driver that I have to put in various directories. |
| 01:12.19 | Saint-Takeshi | i'm having trouble configuring my gamepad, it's a generic cheap logic3 usb one, but as far as i can see, linux is picking up a different joystick on that doesn't exist...it said something in the bootup sequence about a 4-axis, 4-botton joystick...but i don't have one, i hadn't plugged this pad in until tonight, hadn't really planned to until my dreamcast emulator started wrking under cedega...now jscalibrator is picking up this wei |
| 01:12.27 | stoned | we have proprietrarily obtained for you, one of them coourt appointted lawyers. I'm fixin to commencerate this trial here, we gonna see, if we can't come up with a verdict up in here |
| 01:12.28 | cafuego | jdavis: Well, based on that message, something, somewhere is being moved into that dir without the package knowing about it. |
| 01:12.36 | jetscreamer | !info joy2key |
| 01:12.39 | dpkg | joy2key: (Translate joystick movements into equivalent keystrokes), section x11, is optional. Version: 1.6.1-5 (sid), Packaged size: 18 kB, Installed size: 88 kB |
| 01:12.52 | stoned | I don't like joysticks, only joypads |
| 01:12.55 | Saint-Takeshi | this pad's a 2-axis, 10-button pad, as well |
| 01:13.25 | bpun | Saint-Takeshi, hold it holdit.. you play video games at work? |
| 01:13.25 | militant | nvz: *now* it's generating video0 so when i symlink, the cam works. yay. much appreciation sir:) |
| 01:13.41 | jetscreamer | stoned: joystick+mouse is good.... and i have like 15 buttons |
| 01:13.46 | jdavis | cafuego: hmm... what causes that warning? Does it mean that no other packages are associated with /usr/local so it thinks extra files got created there somehow? |
| 01:14.02 | stoned | stick man... eh |
| 01:14.13 | stoned | not unless its one of the arcade control sticks with 6 buttons and stuff |
| 01:14.17 | stoned | you kow for, fighting games |
| 01:14.30 | stoned | I can't dig sticks man, only buttons |
| 01:14.31 | jdavis | cafuego: because, like I said, "dpkg -S /usr/local" returns nothing, which surprises me because it clearly has files there (like /usr/local/games, which I don't think I put there). |
| 01:14.43 | cafuego | jdavis: they ought not be. If it was ebcause of a pkg, the pkg system would know. |
| 01:14.52 | simonrvn | dpkg never puts stuff in /usr/local |
| 01:15.12 | Saint-Takeshi | bpun: what? i'm not at work...but erm, yes, i do (when the supervisor's not looking :P) |
| 01:15.19 | stoned | unless your control file is specified to use /usr/local |
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| 01:15.33 | cafuego | stoned: the rules file, not the control fil. |
| 01:15.33 | jdavis | simonrvn: hmm, I wonder how they got there then. Interesting. It's a fairly recent install of debian. |
| 01:15.37 | asg | stoned: policy states that package management should never touch /usr/local |
| 01:15.42 | stoned | oh yeh |
| 01:15.44 | stoned | that |
| 01:15.58 | bpun | Saint-Takeshi, well I have just spoken with your supervisor.. you're pretty much in the mud now.. told me to tell you not to punch in the card this coming monday.. |
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| 01:16.08 | jetscreamer | well, you can tell, but it's not all that noticeable |
| 01:16.35 | jdavis | hypothetically, if you guys were taking a proprietary driver in rpm format and making it into a .deb so that it didn't clutter the system, would you put anything in /usr/local? |
| 01:17.05 | stoned | asg: that only applies to debian policy about packages being packaged for the distro itself |
| 01:17.10 | bpun | jetscreamer, it almost sounds like you have a little food stain on your clean robe :) .. a little scratch doesn't kill |
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| 01:17.21 | stoned | asg: policy means squat really if you're only making packages for yourslf |
| 01:17.26 | stoned | you can put it where you want |
| 01:18.34 | asg | stoned: I run all my binaries in /tmp |
| 01:18.34 | stoned | you're weird :) |
| 01:18.34 | Saint-Takeshi | bpun: didn't intend to; i don't work mondays due to my champaign lifestyle. |
| 01:18.35 | asg | stoned: and a liar |
| 01:18.35 | stoned | lol |
| 01:18.35 | jdavis | stoned: Ok, I guess what I'm asking is: Is the fact that no other packages have any files in /usr/local making it throw the warning when I remove my package (and therefore the last reference to /usr/local according to dpkg)? |
| 01:18.35 | asg | stoned: :) |
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| 01:18.35 | stoned | jdavis: beats me man |
| 01:18.40 | bpun | Saint-Takeshi, well I thought you japanese are pretty strict when it comes to not playing games at work :) |
| 01:18.43 | jdavis | alright, thanks guys. |
| 01:18.56 | stoned | sorry I'm no help usually |
| 01:19.15 | asg | jdavis: I'd try sticking it in /opt if it's some 3rd party driver |
| 01:19.29 | jdavis | asg: That would make sense |
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| 01:19.47 | Saint-Takeshi | lol...anyway, anyone know why i would have some kind of ghost joystick that doesn't exist coming up or how to remove/replace it? |
| 01:19.50 | bpun | asg, how would modprobe know to look in /opt? |
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| 01:19.59 | jdavis | asg: I'll try that, although I think I might need to add /opt to some paths so it's found properly. |
| 01:20.16 | asg | bpun: symlink from /lib/modules/* |
| 01:20.52 | bpun | asg, ah.. the cheap symlink rule.. i can live with that :).. |
| 01:20.55 | jdavis | asg: it's not a real driver, it's a scanner driver, but I get the idea. |
| 01:21.37 | asg | jdavis: honestly, you can put it anywhere. Good practice indicates /opt is probably the better one but it shouldn't matter. /opt/packagename is even better. |
| 01:22.39 | militant | k, all is well. i'm off, thanks nvz |
| 01:22.39 | jdavis | asg: thanks. |
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| 01:22.39 | bpun | asg, that would otherwise suggest that kernels nowadays can load previous kernel version modules.. i haven't tried that so i'm assuming it would be a case to have it in /opt.. |
| 01:23.00 | asg | bpun: this was merely a question about packaging; Whether the driver works or not is irrelevant. |
| 01:23.49 | Saint-Takeshi | is there a driver i can just modprobe for usb HIDs? |
| 01:23.52 | jdavis | Another question: I just install 2.6.21 and now it's naming my IDE devices /dev/hd* again, like before 2.6.20. 2.6.20 named them /dev/sd*. What's going on there? |
| 01:23.54 | bpun | .. for having that package in the path, you can use a symlink to bins under /opt pointing from /usr/local/bin , or any other way is fine, as long as you have it accessed via path.. |
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| 01:24.02 | Saint-Takeshi | more specifically joypads? |
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| 01:29.19 | bpun | Saint-Takeshi, you might be able to find a package for it.. |
| 01:29.19 | jetscreamer | there are kernel modules for joypads |
| 01:29.19 | Saint-Takeshi | "apt-cache search joystick" aye? |
| 01:29.19 | jetscreamer | you might check if they are loaded or work for yours |
| 01:29.19 | jetscreamer | joystick is a package |
| 01:29.19 | jetscreamer | apt-get install joystick |
| 01:29.35 | Saint-Takeshi | yeah, got it...it's just some alibration tools that don't work properly |
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| 01:29.47 | Saint-Takeshi | /s/alibration/calibration |
| 01:29.49 | jasam | hi, I want to download debian, and I want to know what iso I must download, I have an intel core 2 duo, is there a document or something what version is needed for every processor? |
| 01:30.20 | bpun | Saint-Takeshi, i thought japanese people are good troubleshooters, what's happening takeshi? |
| 01:31.03 | Saint-Takeshi | bpun: i'm Scottish, hence the UK ip address. Takeshi's my stage name |
| 01:31.11 | cast | jasam: that a 64bit proc? i think you might grab the AMD64 port |
| 01:31.13 | Saint-Takeshi | lol |
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| 01:31.41 | bpun | Saint-Takeshi, you've been up on grandpas old booze haven't ya ? linux drunk :) |
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| 01:31.54 | Saint-Takeshi | jasam: should be a list on the website somewhere, but ia64 should suit you |
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| 01:32.08 | markybob | NO |
| 01:32.12 | jasam | ia64 or amd64? |
| 01:32.14 | markybob | amd64 |
| 01:32.19 | bpun | Saint-Takeshi, i have a logitech joypad crappy one, seems to work fine.. |
| 01:32.20 | markybob | ia64 would *not* work |
| 01:32.20 | JessyKA | hi... i am using fluxbox and i used #hwclock --set --date=05/27/07 03:30:00 to adjust my time but i get this error message --> hwclock takes no non-option arguments. you supplied 1. |
| 01:32.25 | Saint-Takeshi | yeah, i meant that, sorry |
| 01:32.39 | jasam | why ia64 is not for me? |
| 01:32.46 | markybob | because you dont have an itanium |
| 01:32.50 | cast | jasam: en.wikipedia.org yay |
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| 01:33.28 | jasam | I'm looking at wikipedia, just they don't say what version of debian I need! |
| 01:33.47 | markybob | you've been told already. go get amd64 |
| 01:34.09 | jasam | markybob, thanks |
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| 01:36.18 | Saint-Takeshi | what's the command to show what usb devices are connected again? |
| 01:36.18 | Saint-Takeshi | cat /proc/usb? |
| 01:36.18 | asg | Saint-Takeshi: lsusb |
| 01:36.18 | Saint-Takeshi | awesome |
| 01:36.18 | Saint-Takeshi | thanks |
| 01:36.18 | dpkg | no problem, Saint-Takeshi |
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| 01:36.19 | Saint-Takeshi | any chane there's one of those for other ports? |
| 01:36.19 | bpun | markybob, amd64 stands for what? |
| 01:36.19 | jasam | markybob, is there a page inside debian documentation explaining that? |
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| 01:36.20 | markybob | !ig |
| 01:36.20 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 01:36.20 | JessyKA | amd 64bit processor i guess |
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| 01:37.33 | richee | hi folks, I just installed debain etch but I dunno my root password, how do I reset it :( |
| 01:37.45 | asg | richee: /msg dpkg i forgot root's password |
| 01:37.45 | richee | Can anyone help me ? |
| 01:37.51 | markybob | JessyKA jasam bpum http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch02s01.html.en#id2530442 2.1.2.1 " Both AMD64 and Intel EM64T processors are supported." |
| 01:38.06 | markybob | core 2 duo is em64t |
| 01:38.11 | richee | asg, ? |
| 01:38.16 | JessyKA | markybob ? |
| 01:38.28 | asg | richee: /msg dpkg i forgot root's password |
| 01:38.33 | asg | richee: type that in your irc client |
| 01:38.40 | asg | richee: our bot will give you useful information |
| 01:39.09 | JessyKA | !hwclock |
| 01:39.09 | dpkg | somebody said hwclock was a tool used to set your hardware clock. it's packaged. |
| 01:39.24 | asg | JessyKA: you can also /msg the bot |
| 01:40.03 | JessyKA | cool thanx |
| 01:40.58 | JessyKA | #debian-bots is not bad too aye |
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| 01:41.37 | JessyKA | asg any advice on my issue above? |
| 01:42.30 | asg | JessyKA: put the date string in quotes |
| 01:42.45 | asg | JessyKA: hwclock --set --date="05/27/07 03:30:00" |
| 01:42.45 | richee | asg, thanxs |
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| 01:42.50 | asg | richee: you're welcome |
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| 01:43.22 | JessyKA | ah great!!! thanx alot!! |
| 01:43.28 | asg | no worries |
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| 01:43.46 | conga | can someone tell me how much space we need for /var? |
| 01:43.57 | cast | conga: about yay much. |
| 01:44.09 | jasam | markybob, cast, thank you, I finally found in wikipedia that EM64T is the x86-64 architecture, and in the list of implementations appears intel core 2 duo. Not so easy to find for a newbie! |
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| 01:44.28 | conga | cast can i let it partition automatically or manually set it? |
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| 01:44.52 | cast | jasam: it is slightly confusing that EM64T is AMD64, guess it wouldn't be good PR to use the name AND64 though |
| 01:45.02 | conga | the apt-get files store in /var right? |
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| 01:45.24 | cast | conga: there is a cache there, sure, and use aptitude instead of apt-get |
| 01:45.39 | conga | oh |
| 01:45.44 | conga | thanks cast :) |
| 01:45.44 | dpkg | conga: my pleasure |
| 01:46.26 | cast | conga: mysql dbs might live in /var, as you mentioned so does an apt cache, so might virtual machines |
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| 01:46.43 | cast | conga: really some people only need 2gb of /var and others 300 |
| 01:47.41 | conga | oh |
| 01:48.02 | jasam | cast, I also really feel that using the "amd" prefix for an intel product is a bit confusing |
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| 01:48.36 | asg | conga: look at hier(7), it'll explain what each point is used for and help you make a better decision based on what the system will be doing. |
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| 01:52.18 | jetscreamer | simonrvn: i tried a kernel from kernel.org after i --purged udev, no initrd .... hasn't borked out yet. |
| 01:52.49 | jetscreamer | .21 |
| 01:53.46 | jetscreamer | !seen simonrvn |
| 01:53.47 | dpkg | simonrvn is currently on #debian #debian-bots. Has said a total of 11 messages. Is idling for 38m 54s, last said: 'dpkg never puts stuff in /usr/local'. |
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| 02:01.57 | jsubl2 | is kopete the only IM client that allows you to show webcam |
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| 02:02.37 | Talaturen | hi, where i put fonts that i download?? |
| 02:03.02 | cast | jsubl2: amsn does too |
| 02:03.15 | jsubl2 | k thanks cast |
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| 02:14.02 | asg | *plonk* |
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| 02:19.29 | richee | hi folks, I have my intel bg 2200 wireless card, but it hasn't been configured in debian. Can someone help me with the link? |
| 02:19.38 | richee | so, that I can configure it..... |
| 02:19.52 | richee | !wireless |
| 02:19.53 | dpkg | The Linux Wireless LAN resource page is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux or try asking #wireless, or see http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/net/wireless/cards.html, or Linksys WPC11: http://rtl-wifi.sourceforge.net/ |
| 02:19.54 | amphi | richee: you have the firmware? |
| 02:20.02 | richee | amphi: nope |
| 02:20.07 | cusco | !ipw2200 |
| 02:20.07 | dpkg | ipw2200 is, like, available in etch or kernels >= 2.6.15. Ask me about <ipw2200 firmware>. If you need to build, you'll need module-assistant, build-essential and linux-headers-$(uname -r) packages, and contrib sources (ask me about <contrib>). To install: m-a prepare && m-a a-i ieee80211 ipw2200. Project page: http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net |
| 02:20.26 | amphi | richee: get it ;) it's linked from ipw2200.sf.net |
| 02:20.36 | richee | amphi: ok |
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| 02:21.20 | Guerin | richee: it works fine, easy as |
| 02:21.26 | richee | amphi: doesn't debian have a deb package for ipw2200 |
| 02:21.27 | richee | ? |
| 02:21.44 | cusco | yes but not the firmware |
| 02:21.52 | cusco | apt-cache search iwp2200 |
| 02:21.59 | Guerin | richee: yes and no. It needs a firmware, and the modules needs built for each kernel individually |
| 02:22.17 | Guerin | s/iwp/ipw/ |
| 02:22.22 | richee | Guerin: ok thanks. |
| 02:22.35 | richee | I love debian, compared to Ubuntu. |
| 02:22.43 | richee | I was a ubuntu user |
| 02:24.04 | Guerin | richee: this isn't an UA meeting |
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| 02:24.07 | richee | hmm |
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| 02:27.11 | Saint-Takeshi | just about got it working, but jstest comes back "no such file or directory" if i try to pass any arguments to it (it still gives me the "usage" message if i run it with no arguments |
| 02:28.17 | asg | Guerin: just get back from the Rotary Club Luncheon? |
| 02:28.53 | jetscreamer | Saint-Takeshi: for me, a lot of stuff doesn't like /dev/input/js? it likes it in /dev/js? ... but udev wants to make stuff neat and put it in /dev/input ... i edit the udev rules.. not sure if this will help you but wtf |
| 02:29.45 | hatta | are there official instructions for converting etch to sid anywhere? |
| 02:30.08 | jetscreamer | !etch->sid |
| 02:30.24 | hatta | what does that mean? |
| 02:30.25 | jetscreamer | !sarge->sid |
| 02:30.26 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
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| 02:30.45 | jetscreamer | it means somebody has been playing with the bot |
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| 02:31.12 | Saint-Takeshi | jetscreamer: how do i edit the udev rules for jstest? |
| 02:31.13 | hatta | well I know enough to do it, I just want to make sure I do it right |
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| 02:31.37 | Saint-Takeshi | bearing in mind i don't even know what udev is |
| 02:31.38 | mnguyen | I just setup a new debian server... What daemon should I use to run a POP/IMAP mail server? |
| 02:31.40 | jetscreamer | hatta: just change /etc/apt/sources.list change the word stable or etch to sid or unstable |
| 02:31.48 | hatta | then aptitude dist-upgrade? |
| 02:32.26 | jetscreamer | hatta: aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade |
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| 02:32.54 | hatta | ok, that's what I thought, just double checking |
| 02:32.54 | hatta | thanks |
| 02:32.55 | dpkg | hatta: gern geschehen |
| 02:33.15 | jetscreamer | Saint-Takeshi: /etc/udev/udev.rules iirc |
| 02:33.30 | jetscreamer | Saint-Takeshi: it's def. under /etc/udev |
| 02:33.58 | Saint-Takeshi | got it |
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| 02:34.56 | Saint-Takeshi | and change KERNEL=="js[0-9]*",NAME="input/%k" to KERNEL=="js[0-9]*",NAME="/%k" |
| 02:35.00 | Saint-Takeshi | right? |
| 02:35.14 | asg | Electric1lf: one of these days, you are going to show up as ElectricM1lf and we are all going to have a fun time :) |
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| 02:35.45 | Saint-Takeshi | then do i need to restart or logout, or unplu/replug the joypad? |
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| 02:36.13 | jetscreamer | that is what i do... i comment out the one line and paste a duplicate, but yeah... and i always had the best luck rebooting |
| 02:36.36 | Saint-Takeshi | okay...be right back, then |
| 02:36.36 | daeos | i have a nice good question here.. im going to build my 3 year old a debian box .. older hardware of course..and was wondering if running any windows based educational software such as the "Jumpstart" series works. |
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| 02:37.20 | epp | how do i leave a screen session? |
| 02:37.33 | asg | daeos: you might also look at the debian-jr project |
| 02:37.38 | Saint-Takeshi | daeos: http://appdb.winehq.org/ |
| 02:37.45 | asg | epp: to detatch, try CTRL+A+D |
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| 02:37.59 | epp | asg, thats it thanks |
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| 02:41.18 | daeos | asg: thanks |
| 02:41.43 | asg | daeos: you're welcome |
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| 02:43.12 | vyrus001 | ok so question... i just copied a comertial dvd (yes i own it, im traveling and want to make a copy so as not to scratch the original),,, k3b wrote the iso fine so far, but its asking for a dvd-r and not a dl (which i assumed it would want), does k3b compress dvd's? or is somthing just broken? |
| 02:43.19 | _Rubyxx | Where do I find the log of system error messages at boot time? |
| 02:43.43 | jetscreamer | not a dl ? |
| 02:43.55 | asg | _Rubyxx: /var/log/dmesg (kernel) /var/log/boot.log (init scripts -- the later must be enabled in /etc/default/bootlog) |
| 02:44.03 | jetscreamer | rw or r should work... but maybe your dvd isn't big enough |
| 02:44.14 | jetscreamer | ahhhhhhhhhhh |
| 02:44.20 | jetscreamer | it wants a dual layer one |
| 02:44.20 | jetscreamer | dl |
| 02:44.26 | asg | _Rubyxx: sorry, /var/log/boot, /etc/default/bootlogd |
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| 02:44.43 | _Rubyxx | ty |
| 02:45.14 | vyrus001 | jetscreamer, no |
| 02:45.19 | vyrus001 | jetscreamer, i gave it a dl and it said no :D |
| 02:45.22 | vyrus001 | its asking for an r |
| 02:45.31 | jetscreamer | o |
| 02:45.34 | vyrus001 | what im trying to figure out is... if its not compressing the movie... why is it asking for an r ? |
| 02:45.38 | vyrus001 | and not a dl ? |
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| 02:49.02 | richee | hey folks, I downloaded the firmware of ipw2200 and mv *.fw /lib/firmware/ |
| 02:49.17 | richee | is there any other step I need to do to configure ipw2200 |
| 02:49.18 | richee | ? |
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| 02:50.57 | amphi | richee: you're on etch? |
| 02:51.06 | richee | amphi: yup |
| 02:51.34 | richee | amphi: just did a rmmod and modprobe... |
| 02:51.47 | amphi | richee: and...? |
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| 02:52.06 | richee | amphi: it detected ...hang on...let me check if this works |
| 02:52.20 | amphi | richee: try iwconfig |
| 02:52.21 | Soul_Mx | Hi! |
| 02:52.36 | richee | amphi: iwconfig works :) |
| 02:52.49 | amphi | richee: good-oh |
| 02:52.49 | richee | amphi: showing as eth2 |
| 02:53.39 | Soul_Mx | Somebody with Debian Sarge and Synaptic? |
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| 02:54.23 | flyinprogramer | anyone know how to disable the annoying as crap beeps my machine makes with tab completion ? |
| 02:56.23 | abrotman | !beep |
| 02:56.23 | dpkg | well, beep is /exec -o echo -ne "\007". A generic application level transport, with multiple channels over TCP and a nice standard auth section + many other goodies, see www.beepcore.org for more info, or apt-get install beep, or ^G, or a buggy xmms gtk2 port |
| 02:56.50 | flyinprogramer | thank you |
| 02:56.50 | dpkg | sure thing, flyinprogramer |
| 02:56.51 | flyinprogramer | brb |
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| 02:59.25 | magyar | !hi |
| 02:59.25 | dpkg | hello, magyar |
| 02:59.33 | magyar | !beer |
| 02:59.33 | dpkg | well, beer is liquid gold mate |
| 02:59.52 | magyar | !girls |
| 02:59.53 | dpkg | what runs the pool system and testing and various other parts of the debian distribution. read about them at http://cvs.debian.org/dak/docs/README.names?rev=1.22&cvsroot=dak&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup |
| 03:00.32 | magyar | ping abrotman |
| 03:00.41 | abrotman | are you drunk? |
| 03:00.55 | magyar | nope, in love |
| 03:01.02 | abrotman | talk to nvz |
| 03:01.17 | magyar | -_- |
| 03:02.20 | jdavis | I am running 2.6.21 and kvm 18-1 and I get a "kernel version too old" warning when starting kvm (and it falls back to qemu). Any suggestions? |
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| 03:04.07 | gotgenes | What package do I need in Etch to access the module "svn" in Python? |
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| 03:04.39 | abrotman | apt-cache search python svn |
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| 03:10.13 | jetscreamer | !lart debian kernel maintainer |
| 03:10.30 | jetscreamer | new guy? recently, a few months maybe? |
| 03:10.41 | narasim_7 | hi..i have intel 845 chipset and on board integrated graphics card.In dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ..How much memory do i give for the graphics driver. |
| 03:10.57 | jetscreamer | leave it blank narasim_7 should autodetect |
| 03:10.58 | narasim_7 | my system has 256 MB DDR ii ram |
| 03:11.06 | gravity | narasim_7: Just leave that blank |
| 03:11.09 | abrotman | narasim_7: leave it blank |
| 03:11.10 | gotgenes | abrotman: python-subversion is the magic package. Thanks. |
| 03:11.15 | jetscreamer | narasim_7: that means vid memory btw |
| 03:11.17 | abrotman | and the pci bus ID too |
| 03:11.19 | gravity | It'll automatically allocate the full amount it can, I believe |
| 03:11.53 | gravity | jetscreamer: Hiya |
| 03:11.59 | narasim_7 | hmm one more thing..i have lenny now..and sometime while gdm is starting ..xserver freezes and i get some horizontal/vertical lines..and thats all..i can only do a reset |
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| 03:12.39 | narasim_7 | any ideas why this may be happening... ? |
| 03:12.47 | gravity | narasim_7: Only sometimes? |
| 03:12.57 | narasim_7 | after that i go into single mode and do a dpkg-reconfigure.. |
| 03:12.58 | narasim_7 | yeah |
| 03:13.01 | gravity | weird |
| 03:13.09 | gravity | dpkg-reconfigure probably wouldn't help there |
| 03:13.17 | narasim_7 | that doesnt happen in windoze.. |
| 03:13.26 | narasim_7 | agreed..thats a quick fix most of the time |
| 03:13.30 | gravity | narasim_7: What video driver? |
| 03:13.38 | gravity | Still the intel? |
| 03:14.03 | narasim_7 | yes...i selected i810 ..(Intel 845 on board graphics card) |
| 03:14.25 | gravity | That's very odd |
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| 03:14.49 | gravity | Could you send a bug report using reportbug? Report it xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 03:14.59 | gravity | It could be an xserver bug, but I'm guessing it's the driver |
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| 03:15.31 | narasim_7 | oh..ok..but will check some forums out for this |
| 03:15.39 | gravity | narasim_7: Ok |
| 03:16.04 | gravity | I have no idea why that would happen sometimes and not others |
| 03:16.45 | cast | 'Cabling - CAT5e at a minimum, CAT6 - crosstalk kills gigabit ' wait...cat5e is better than cat6? |
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| 03:21.34 | jdavis | I'm doing a "modprobe -v kvm" and it prints out an insmod command, but when I rmmod kvm and then run the insmod command output by modprobe it gets a segfault. |
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| 03:21.51 | narasim_7 | any method by which i can see how much memory the video card is taking now? |
| 03:22.04 | Nethox | cast: no, cat6 is better |
| 03:22.14 | narasim_7 | and some details abt it..? |
| 03:23.27 | abrotman | in the X log perhaps |
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| 03:24.11 | narasim_7 | and in dpkg-reconfigure..it doenst mention the name of my video card..it says generic video card..(does it mean that xserver didnt detect it properly)? |
| 03:24.25 | gravity | narasim_7: The name doesn't matter, just the driver |
| 03:24.53 | narasim_7 | ok |
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| 03:29.52 | richee | Hi folks, I configured my ipw2200 but as soon as I restart the system and boot into debian the settings are lost... |
| 03:30.07 | richee | how do I make these settings permanent upon bootup |
| 03:30.09 | richee | ? |
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| 03:31.56 | abrotman | !interfaces |
| 03:31.56 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
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| 03:36.53 | conga | I just install debian and grub saying Error: 15 File not found, Is It a bug or i did something wrong? |
| 03:37.00 | piztek3 | is it safe for me to upgrade to sid? |
| 03:37.01 | conga | it's correct partition device |
| 03:37.28 | piztek3 | conga: try reinstalling, that's what I would do. |
| 03:37.28 | deadcat_ | piztek3: if you have to ask. dont |
| 03:37.31 | cast | how can there be no pkg called pee. |
| 03:37.40 | cast | i was expecting pee to be like tee, only yellower |
| 03:37.45 | piztek3 | deadcat_: where can I research if it's safe or not? |
| 03:37.52 | deadcat_ | cast: write it yourself and called it pee |
| 03:37.55 | conga | piztek3: reinstall the whole thing? |
| 03:37.58 | deadcat_ | piztek3: debian.org |
| 03:38.08 | piztek3 | conga: i would, what kind of computer? |
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| 03:38.16 | abrotman | piztek3: if you have to ask about sid .. please don't use it |
| 03:38.29 | piztek3 | conga: what do you think you may have done wrong? |
| 03:38.36 | wireddd_ | what is that automated debian rep mirror chooser thing called? |
| 03:38.43 | conga | nothing wrong |
| 03:38.49 | abrotman | apt-spy |
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| 03:40.44 | nvz | piztek3: if you have to ask its not safe |
| 03:41.04 | piztek3 | i just read about it |
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| 03:41.15 | piztek3 | a friend was telling me about the nice updates, and i'm curious |
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| 03:41.20 | piztek3 | also i want beryl |
| 03:41.33 | piztek3 | which isn't fully in lenny repos |
| 03:41.35 | nvz | piztek3: maybe you are reading the wrong things |
| 03:41.47 | abrotman | it's not in debian at all AFAIK |
| 03:42.12 | nvz | piztek3: maybe you want to read about pinning or simple sid backports.. cause what you should know about sid is a lot more than you can just learn like flipping through a newspaper |
| 03:42.30 | piztek3 | abrotman: do you know where to get beryl-manager for an amd64? |
| 03:42.35 | daeos | is dmg.gz a format that can be uncompressed? i know gz can be... but never heard of dmg |
| 03:42.37 | abrotman | beryl isn't in debian |
| 03:42.56 | piztek3 | i know, but do you know where to get it for an amd64 |
| 03:43.04 | abrotman | piztek3: it's not in debian .. go ask #beryl |
| 03:43.16 | abrotman | debian has compiz already |
| 03:43.25 | piztek3 | but not updated drivers to make it work |
| 03:43.34 | cafuego | compiz works? |
| 03:43.36 | abrotman | maybe debian just isn't for you |
| 03:43.39 | cafuego | since when? |
| 03:43.44 | piztek3 | oh it is |
| 03:43.54 | piztek3 | abrotman: help me get my compiz workign |
| 03:44.00 | abrotman | start reading |
| 03:44.04 | jetscreamer | you bought compiz? |
| 03:44.07 | piztek3 | where? |
| 03:44.13 | daeos | wtf is compiz.... -.- |
| 03:44.14 | jetscreamer | wow |
| 03:44.20 | jetscreamer | !compiz |
| 03:44.20 | dpkg | compiz is, like, a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on Xgl and AIGLX. It is now in Debian and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server.. Check http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz |
| 03:44.23 | piztek3 | composite manager |
| 03:44.27 | piztek3 | 3d desktop |
| 03:44.35 | abrotman | useless crap |
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| 03:44.47 | daeos | i see |
| 03:45.10 | piztek3 | it is useless, but it looks amazing |
| 03:45.16 | jetscreamer | i did !compiz so my wife then asked what is compiz :/ |
| 03:45.31 | cafuego | it's the new black |
| 03:45.35 | abrotman | jetscreamer: tell her it's useless crap :) |
| 03:45.36 | jetscreamer | i told her to read what the bot said and she said 'what bot' |
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| 03:46.12 | richee_ | hi folks, I am not able to get my ipw2200 working :( |
| 03:46.16 | piztek3 | NVIDIA graphic cards are supported in the 9xxx-series proprietary driver |
| 03:46.32 | piztek3 | i don't have that |
| 03:46.34 | abrotman | !kikismite jetscreamer's wife |
| 03:46.41 | piztek3 | where can I get a 9 series driver? |
| 03:46.59 | richee_ | ash:~# iwconfig |
| 03:46.59 | richee_ | lo no wireless extensions. |
| 03:46.59 | richee_ | eth1 no wireless extensions. |
| 03:46.59 | richee_ | eth0 no wireless extensions. |
| 03:46.59 | richee_ | eth2 IEEE 802.11g ESSID:"Airtel" |
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| 03:47.14 | jetscreamer | !kill abrotman |
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| 03:47.35 | abrotman | jetscreamer: thank you and have a nice day! |
| 03:47.43 | richee_ | lo no wireless extensions. |
| 03:47.43 | richee_ | eth1 no wireless extensions. |
| 03:47.43 | richee_ | eth0 no wireless extensions. |
| 03:47.43 | richee_ | eth2 IEEE 802.11g ESSID:"Airtel" |
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| 03:47.53 | abrotman | should we let him keep doing that ? |
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| 03:48.01 | richee_ | sit0 no wireless extensions. |
| 03:48.03 | richee_ | ash:~# |
| 03:48.08 | abrotman | !paste |
| 03:48.08 | dpkg | somebody said paste was Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC or if those are not working, ask me about <pastebin> for other options |
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| 03:51.12 | nebular | i am trying to install debian from netinst |
| 03:51.34 | richee_ | nebular: good luck |
| 03:51.43 | daeos | abrotman: do you know if dmg.gz is a deb compatible file format? i just google'd it and it seems to pull up macosx .... or is this a format readable by debian also? |
| 03:51.55 | richee_ | FOolks http://www.debuntu.org/2006/03/27/9-how-to-ipw2200-getting-intel-pro-wireless-2200-bg-to-work-on-debian-ubuntu |
| 03:51.56 | abrotman | it's a mac disk image |
| 03:51.58 | nebular | richee_ : ty :P |
| 03:52.02 | richee_ | I am trying to install this |
| 03:52.11 | daeos | abrotman: oh thats irritating |
| 03:52.21 | nebular | and i stuck at the point of : -> choose a mirror of the debian archive |
| 03:52.25 | richee_ | how do I get ieeee installed .... |
| 03:52.27 | daeos | seems only quake is available for free for mac! and not winblows |
| 03:52.33 | abrotman | daeos: not nearly as much as you repeatedly asking about it when google told you the answer :) |
| 03:52.40 | daeos | nebular: choose ftp.debian.org |
| 03:52.42 | richee_ | module-assistant couldn't install this |
| 03:52.45 | abrotman | daeos: no |
| 03:52.52 | abrotman | nebular: use the one nearest you |
| 03:52.57 | daeos | abrotman: ha |
| 03:53.00 | abrotman | don't use ftp.debian.org |
| 03:53.02 | daeos | abrotman: i always use it |
| 03:53.05 | daeos | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:53.06 | abrotman | you're a tard |
| 03:53.06 | amphi | richee_: it's in the etch kerne |
| 03:53.07 | amphi | l |
| 03:53.16 | jetscreamer | daeos: ioquake |
| 03:53.25 | nebular | ftp.ntua.gr |
| 03:53.28 | richee_ | amphi: oh ok! |
| 03:53.31 | daeos | abrotman: no im not. i always use it because nothing is close to me |
| 03:53.37 | abrotman | daeos: bullshit |
| 03:53.45 | daeos | abrotman: otherwise tell me something near san antonio |
| 03:54.01 | nebular | and the debian arxchive mirror directory ? |
| 03:54.02 | abrotman | natasha.stmarytx.edu |
| 03:54.03 | simonrvn | ftp.mx.debian.org |
| 03:54.05 | daeos | abrotman: and i'll change my apt sources |
| 03:54.05 | abrotman | !win me |
| 03:54.05 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 03:54.05 | nebular | what to set ? |
| 03:54.15 | daeos | !suck abrotman |
| 03:54.20 | daeos | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:54.22 | simonrvn | you can win all you want ;) |
| 03:54.30 | richee_ | amphi: I am still struggling to get it work, it worked for one time and then I couldn't get it to work :( |
| 03:54.31 | abrotman | daeos: and there are quite a few in surrounding states |
| 03:54.46 | daeos | abrotman: stmary haha |
| 03:54.48 | nebular | daeos : and the debian archive mirror directory ? what should i set here ? |
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| 03:55.24 | abrotman | daeos: so i found one and you won't use it ? |
| 03:55.26 | nebular | i ve tried 4 different ftp`s |
| 03:55.31 | amphi | richee_: what goes wrong? what are you doing? mine works pretty well |
| 03:55.36 | piztek3 | okay now I just want to know how I had compiz working before! |
| 03:55.51 | richee_ | amphi: Can you point me with the steps plz! |
| 03:56.03 | nebular | ^^ |
| 03:56.05 | amphi | richee_: steps? |
| 03:56.16 | piztek3 | when will a new nvidia driver be released? |
| 03:56.17 | richee_ | amphi: to get ipw2200 configured.... |
| 03:56.19 | amphi | richee_: you hd it workng, I thought |
| 03:56.24 | abrotman | piztek3: ask #nvidia |
| 03:56.34 | amphi | !wayttd richee_ |
| 03:56.34 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, richee_? |
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| 03:57.06 | richee_ | amphi: I am trying to configure ipw2200 for my intel bg 2200 wireless card |
| 03:57.11 | simonrvn | you had it right abrotman he's a tard |
| 03:57.16 | nebular | so whats the directory i have to fill in |
| 03:57.20 | abrotman | simonrvn: do i get a prize now ? :) |
| 03:57.26 | simonrvn | yes :) |
| 03:57.31 | simonrvn | !prize abrotman |
| 03:57.34 | abrotman | yay! |
| 03:57.37 | nebular | or is these a wrong question ? |
| 03:57.45 | amphi | richee_: configure it how? |
| 03:57.48 | jetscreamer | simonrvn: did you see me say a kernel from kernel.org works just fine, not sure if --purging udev had anything to do with it |
| 03:57.49 | amphi | !wayttd richee_ |
| 03:57.49 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, richee_? |
| 03:57.50 | simonrvn | certainly better - for you - than spam ;) |
| 03:58.09 | simonrvn | not using udev on that machine |
| 03:58.12 | daeos | abrotman: i used natasha.stmarytx.edu and get notta |
| 03:58.16 | daeos | blah |
| 03:58.22 | amphi | richee_: you try to connect to an ap/router? |
| 03:58.24 | jetscreamer | well |
| 03:58.37 | richee_ | amphi: all I tried is to download the firware and move the mv *.fw /lib/firmware/ |
| 03:58.50 | abrotman | daeos: works fine here .. must be you |
| 03:58.50 | richee_ | rmmod ipw2200 and modprobe ipw2200 |
| 03:58.51 | amphi | richee_: right |
| 03:58.59 | jetscreamer | 2.6.21.3.010 |
| 03:59.00 | simonrvn | sooner or later i hit a bug in jfs then about an hour or so later it locks up |
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| 03:59.16 | abrotman | http://natasha.stmarytx.edu/debian/ |
| 03:59.21 | richee_ | amphi: I dunno it shows as eth2 but I am still not able to connect to it |
| 03:59.22 | simonrvn | ah, the one i had was 2.6.21.1 |
| 03:59.23 | abrotman | anyone else have a problem with that URL ? |
| 03:59.25 | jetscreamer | mine always paniced at about the login prompt.. hasn't so far |
| 03:59.34 | nvz | surely if movies I am playing with a flash based player always have plenty of ahead buffer and are still skipping it cant be any problem with my internet connection right? |
| 03:59.49 | jetscreamer | simonrvn: all i tried with before were debian kernels and source |
| 03:59.58 | nvz | as long as I wait for them to completly load they play fine otherwise the skip a lo |
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| 03:59.59 | amphi | richee_: connect to it? I don't know what you are trying to do |
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| 04:00.08 | richee_ | amphi: http://paste.debian.net/28980 |
| 04:00.16 | richee_ | amphi: it shows up in iwconfig |
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| 04:00.28 | bushblows | are debians mirrors down? |
| 04:00.34 | abrotman | all of them ? |
| 04:00.42 | nvz | bushblows: hah, what are the chances |
| 04:00.44 | bushblows | mirrors.kernel.org and security.debian.org |
| 04:00.50 | amphi | richee_: for the love of ghod, Montresor, tell what you want to do with the damn thing |
| 04:00.56 | abrotman | i think kernel.org has been having problems for a day or so |
| 04:01.01 | abrotman | dunno about security.d.o |
| 04:01.02 | bushblows | not likley, but I can ping google, get a reply but fail to connect to the mirrors |
| 04:01.03 | crashsystems | ftp.us.debian.org seems to be down. |
| 04:01.10 | richee_ | amphi: I am trying to connect to the wireless network.... |
| 04:01.21 | richee_ | amphi: But it's not connecting.... |
| 04:01.23 | amphi | richee_: right, to an access point? |
| 04:01.27 | bushblows | ok, I just wanted to make sure it wasnt my end |
| 04:01.32 | richee_ | amphi: absouletly |
| 04:01.46 | amphi | richee_: damn, it's like getting blood out of a stone ;) |
| 04:01.54 | amphi | richee_: have you set the essid? |
| 04:02.03 | richee_ | amphi: I know, sorry plz bear with me.... |
| 04:02.07 | amphi | richee_: is the mode set to 'managed'? |
| 04:02.18 | richee_ | amphi: how do I do that? |
| 04:02.21 | richee_ | amphi: managed |
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| 04:02.48 | amphi | richee_: iwconfig eth2 essid "whatever your essid is" |
| 04:02.56 | richee_ | amphi: Mode:Managed |
| 04:03.03 | richee_ | amphi: yes got it |
| 04:03.09 | daeos | abrotman: ya know.. most times i ask you simple questions i get really elitist responses... mind toning it down? |
| 04:03.17 | amphi | richee_: have you set the essid? |
| 04:03.25 | richee_ | amphi: yes |
| 04:03.44 | Rusty1_ | richee_, try: dhclient eth2 |
| 04:03.46 | abrotman | daeos: you want more elitist ? |
| 04:03.46 | amphi | richee_: did you try running 'dhclient eth2'? |
| 04:04.03 | richee_ | amphi: ok |
| 04:04.08 | abrotman | daeos: google told you it was a macosx disk image .. and debian.org/mirrors has a pretty good list |
| 04:04.19 | conga | man i hate debian 4.0 |
| 04:04.26 | daeos | 23:51 < abrotman> daeos: works fine here .. must be you |
| 04:04.31 | amphi | richee_: with any luck, that'll configure your interface, etc. |
| 04:04.36 | abrotman | daeos: and i asked others to verify |
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| 04:04.57 | richee_ | amphi: DHCPDISCOVER on eth2 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 12 |
| 04:05.04 | richee_ | amphi: still doing this :( |
| 04:05.11 | daeos | 23:45 < abrotman> daeos: not nearly as much as you repeatedly asking about it when google told you the answer :) |
| 04:05.15 | richee_ | amphi: No DHCPOFFERS received. |
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| 04:05.26 | abrotman | daeos: i'd also like to point out that you asked me .. i didn't offer my answer without your direct query to me |
| 04:05.26 | richee_ | amphi: No working leases in persistent database - sleeping. |
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| 04:05.33 | amphi | richee_: pfft |
| 04:05.48 | richee_ | amphi: pfft? |
| 04:06.03 | amphi | richee_: are you in range? do you need to use crypto, and if so, what? |
| 04:06.16 | Rusty1_ | richee_, router got wep key or something? |
| 04:06.16 | amphi | richee_: ie. wep or wpa? |
| 04:06.21 | richee_ | amphi: I have specified the wep key..... |
| 04:06.37 | daeos | abrotman: i asked you because normally you are great at answering my stupid questions that seems very simple to you, but I do not expect you to answer the way you do. |
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| 04:06.43 | nebular | pfffff cannot find the solution |
| 04:06.47 | richee_ | amphi: in network-admin I have mentioned that.... |
| 04:06.56 | abrotman | daeos: i did answer them :) |
| 04:07.02 | amphi | network-admin? |
| 04:07.05 | daeos | abrotman: i have high reguard for your answers but do not appreciate some of your repsonses |
| 04:07.15 | abrotman | daeos: anyways .. you got your answers .. and a good mirror! |
| 04:07.19 | simonrvn | 'regard' |
| 04:07.30 | karsten | simonrvn: de regard. |
| 04:07.32 | richee_ | amphi: network-admin is the GUI for confguring the network, shows the interfaces and blah.. |
| 04:07.37 | simonrvn | de karsten |
| 04:07.47 | richee_ | Rusty1_: yes |
| 04:07.53 | jetscreamer | de dum dum |
| 04:08.00 | jetscreamer | dah dah de dum dum |
| 04:08.15 | karsten | jetscreamer: do be do be do be do |
| 04:08.26 | abrotman | oh bla di ? |
| 04:08.30 | amphi | richee_: I don't know about that |
| 04:08.33 | jetscreamer | du wah! |
| 04:08.42 | jetscreamer | ob li dah |
| 04:08.44 | karsten | simonrvn: de bian. |
| 04:08.53 | richee_ | amphi: ok fine np, how do I specify the wep key so, that dhclient recognizes it.... |
| 04:09.18 | karsten | richee_: man iwconfig |
| 04:09.27 | amphi | richee_: I do it with iwconfig <iface> key blah |
| 04:09.41 | amphi | richee_: man iwconfig has more info |
| 04:10.14 | daeos | abrotman: you would would not recommend to use ftp.us.debian.org ? |
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| 04:10.28 | karsten | daeos: it's pretty unreliable. |
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| 04:10.43 | daeos | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:10.46 | abrotman | daeos: that would also work .. though i prefer the non-country code mirrors |
| 04:10.57 | abrotman | tertiary mirrors i guess |
| 04:11.06 | daeos | abrotman: i've noticed that us.deb is rather flaky as well... |
| 04:11.23 | abrotman | daeos: it is ... i stick with a few near my location |
| 04:11.35 | abrotman | for me .. pair.com is a great mirror |
| 04:11.55 | Rusty1_ | I'm in US but use yourapeeon mirrors |
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| 04:12.48 | ootput | i get it |
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| 04:13.25 | daeos | this natasha mirrior is annoying |
| 04:13.42 | richee_ | amphi: it's iwconfig eth2 "key" |
| 04:14.04 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 04:14.04 | dpkg | from memory, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 04:14.10 | amphi | richee_: that's what I said above... |
| 04:14.11 | conga | Begin: Waiting for root file system ... /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off |
| 04:14.14 | daeos | i put this : deb ftp://natasha.stmarytx.edu/debian/ etch main ... in my list and it doesn't add right |
| 04:14.25 | conga | anyone know why it gives me so much problem? |
| 04:14.25 | abrotman | try http |
| 04:14.28 | abrotman | don't use ftp |
| 04:14.31 | daeos | ok |
| 04:14.42 | Old_Fogie | Hello all. I was wondering if someone might be able to help me with ~/.Xmodmap file. For some reason, it seems to be ignored. I only have my mouse settings in there. The file contains "pointer = 3 2 1 8 9 4 5 6 7 10 11". It is executable. It works for me in slackware, and ubuntu. I'm using the KDE-debian iso. |
| 04:14.53 | richee_ | amphi: http://paste.debian.net/28981 |
| 04:14.55 | nebular | i have to put first : deb & then the ftp.etc..... |
| 04:14.57 | nebular | ??? |
| 04:14.58 | richee_ | amphi: still the same :( |
| 04:15.09 | Rusty1_ | richee_, iwconfig essid " theessid" key thekey channel number |
| 04:15.24 | jetscreamer | abrotman: show him the example link with the sources.list... |
| 04:15.25 | abrotman | daeos: that was for the protocol .. not the hostname |
| 04:15.37 | abrotman | jetscreamer: well .. that would solve one problem :) |
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| 04:15.41 | simonrvn | i checked on backports.org a little while ago for a gpg key, and they don't seem to have one for apt... did i just miss it, or do they really not have one? |
| 04:15.44 | TK_ | hello everyone |
| 04:16.03 | ootput | Old_Fogie: isn't xmodmap supposed to be launched in either .xinitrc or a similar startup script? |
| 04:16.25 | karsten | Old_Fogie: you've got to explicitly invoke it AFAIK. |
| 04:16.28 | simonrvn | .xsession and yes |
| 04:16.31 | ootput | no wait, i'm wrong |
| 04:16.32 | karsten | Old_Fogie: xmodmap .xmodmap or similar. |
| 04:17.00 | ootput | Old_Fogie: why don't u just pop it into your startup script, rather than using a separate file |
| 04:17.11 | Old_Fogie | ootput, it is? okay. for slackware that was how I was supposed to do it, Pat V probably does it differently. ubuntu's gnome see's it first time launching ubuntu session and asks to use it. I will check the start up scripts then. Fantastic thank you. |
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| 04:17.35 | richee_ | Rusty1_: hmm, it's not working |
| 04:17.35 | Old_Fogie | I'm trying debian out..first time :D very nice I might add. |
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| 04:18.18 | ootput | Old_Fogie: my previous xmodmap setup has since been made obsolete by direct edits of xorg.conf |
| 04:18.19 | karsten | Old_Fogie: That Ubuntu behavior sounds like a GNOME thing, and yeah, IIRC, gnome tries to take over keyboard mappings but now asks if it finds an .xmodmap or similar. |
| 04:18.41 | ootput | Old_Fogie: although i don't know about pointer=... I'm assuming that's for scroll wheel for an exotic mouse? |
| 04:18.51 | Old_Fogie | yea exactly karsten , the gnome see's it. even dropline-gnome on slackware saw it too. |
| 04:19.14 | Old_Fogie | if i paste it in terminal this works : xmodmap -e "pointer = 3 2 1 8 9 4 5 6 7 10 11" |
| 04:19.32 | Old_Fogie | so I'll add it to my ~/.kde/Autostart/mouse.sh then? |
| 04:19.39 | Rusty1_ | richee_, output of ifconfig |
| 04:19.40 | daeos | abrotman: thanks again |
| 04:19.43 | daeos | bye |
| 04:19.57 | Old_Fogie | I think my .xinitrc is only if I'm using run-level 3 and type startx right? |
| 04:20.06 | Old_Fogie | or is that my slackware talking :( |
| 04:20.08 | Old_Fogie | lol |
| 04:20.32 | Old_Fogie | ootput, yeah it's for a logitech mx310 |
| 04:20.32 | richee_ | Rusty1_: http://paste.debian.net/28982 |
| 04:20.32 | ootput | you could symlink it to .xsession, and specify 'custom setting' in your display manager |
| 04:20.43 | richee_ | Rusty1_: eth2 is wireless |
| 04:20.44 | ootput | ie gdm or kdm |
| 04:20.56 | Old_Fogie | i use explorer ps/2 with buttons 7, zaxis mapping 6 7 |
| 04:21.13 | Old_Fogie | works well, one of the few ambidextrious mice left that do 800 dpi |
| 04:21.20 | simonrvn | xmodmap -e "pointer = 4 44 34 3 3" |
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| 04:21.43 | ootput | yeah i've a logitech mx510 |
| 04:21.47 | ootput | similar situation |
| 04:22.09 | Old_Fogie | ootput, hehe, logitech announced they were going to end this mouse, I bought 6 just in case :D |
| 04:22.09 | simonrvn | might wanna & after that ^^^^ |
| 04:22.48 | ootput | I guess you like it :) |
| 04:22.48 | Old_Fogie | ootput sure did. |
| 04:23.08 | richee_ | Rusty1_: u there? |
| 04:23.18 | nebular | i ve download the .iso netinst for the stable release and dont know what to do with the mirror selection |
| 04:23.31 | jetscreamer | choose one |
| 04:23.40 | cast | nebular: well you could try selecting a mirror |
| 04:23.58 | nebular | when i choose says bad archive mirror |
| 04:24.01 | ootput | nebular: don't worry if it's not necessarily a fast mirror. you can always switch mirrors after install |
| 04:24.34 | jetscreamer | use the debian one or the kernel one |
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| 04:25.02 | nebular | can you give me an example ? |
| 04:25.15 | Rusty1_ | richee_, what does iwspy say?/ |
| 04:25.27 | Old_Fogie | Lastly, I've read suggestions on forums to remove "desktop-base package" so that I can use themes for KDM. Would that 'bork' the system? |
| 04:25.37 | nebular | about the contests of the directories |
| 04:25.41 | nebular | i have to use |
| 04:25.48 | Old_Fogie | I have to think it's there for a reason no. |
| 04:25.52 | simonrvn | Old_Fogie: don't have to do that |
| 04:26.02 | richee_ | Rusty1_: http://paste.debian.net/28983 |
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| 04:27.46 | Rusty1_ | richee_, i think the connection is there, but its a wep issue , maybe not using the right key |
| 04:27.53 | Old_Fogie | Maybe I'll reinstall the KDM them package again, for some reason it's not changing. OKAY ty simonrvn |
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| 04:28.00 | richee_ | Rusty1_: oh ok, how do I get this sorted out |
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| 04:29.13 | nebular | again nothing |
| 04:29.52 | cellofellow | Where is a good place to learn how to make custom Debian packages? Including meta-packages and tasks. I'm trying to make an Etch CD with Sugar as the default desktop. |
| 04:30.06 | cellofellow | and customizing the installer would be cool to learn how to do. |
| 04:30.30 | cellofellow | :P |
| 04:30.55 | jetscreamer | /msg dpkg listkeys custom or something |
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| 04:30.57 | cellofellow | I'm just installing Etch in VirtualBox on my Xubuntu Feisty desktop. |
| 04:31.11 | jetscreamer | cellofellow: see also #debian-boot on oftc |
| 04:31.21 | cellofellow | oftc? |
| 04:31.27 | jetscreamer | for possible assitance on the custom installer |
| 04:31.30 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 04:31.37 | jetscreamer | irc.oftc.net |
| 04:31.40 | cellofellow | ok |
| 04:31.42 | jetscreamer | !oftc |
| 04:31.43 | dpkg | [oftc] the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. See also <freenode> and <fact sharing> |
| 04:32.06 | Rusty1_ | richee_, how did you generate the key on the router, you are using the hex key not the passphrase? |
| 04:32.07 | jetscreamer | there's a #debian on there also |
| 04:32.10 | cellofellow | ok |
| 04:32.15 | jetscreamer | irc.debian.org points at oftc btw |
| 04:32.35 | cellofellow | but about packaging. There has to be a how-to or a wiki page about it somewhere. |
| 04:32.45 | Old_Fogie | Oh, LOL really my last question :D The wife here likes the KDE, but I'm a fluxbox user. In fluxbox, for example, if I type "fbsetbg -f /home/fogie/wallpaper.jpg" for a wallpaper that is 1024x768, but use a resolution let's say of 1280x1024. The wallpaper does not take up the full screen. I created a new user with an empty home directory, and that still happens. Any thoughts, suggestoins, or should I compile fluxbox 1.0rc3 o |
| 04:32.46 | Old_Fogie | n my own? |
| 04:32.46 | jetscreamer | there's even packages for it :p |
| 04:33.01 | jetscreamer | !package |
| 04:33.01 | dpkg | rumour has it, package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should |
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| 04:33.26 | cellofellow | huh? |
| 04:33.34 | jetscreamer | !custom d-i |
| 04:33.35 | dpkg | it has been said that custom d-i is http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt, or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CD |
| 04:34.43 | jetscreamer | !custom cd |
| 04:34.43 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, custom cd is So you want to build a debian installer with a custom kernel image eh? Well then, read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel | Also see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD | http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?CustomDebian |
| 04:35.25 | jetscreamer | the package thing you can find somewhere |
| 04:35.28 | jetscreamer | the bot knows |
| 04:35.37 | cellofellow | Odd. I don't want a custom kernel image. I want it to just install Debian+Sugar. I think I can work it out. |
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| 04:36.23 | jetscreamer | note it says kernel, and says cd |
| 04:36.33 | cellofellow | I see. |
| 04:37.21 | ootput | sugar is part of the olpc initiative,isn't it? |
| 04:37.27 | cellofellow | yes |
| 04:37.54 | cellofellow | I'm going to refurbish a bunch of old boxes, with Sugar possibly, for an Eagle Scout project. |
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| 04:38.35 | cellofellow | if it's for a school, particularly elementary, then Sugar is the way to go. |
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| 04:39.36 | BullWeivel | any idea why lilo is saying this? and should i just go edit the file with vim?? Warning: '/proc/partitions' does not match '/dev' directory structure. Name change: '/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc' -> '/dev/hda' |
| 04:40.16 | jetscreamer | Bulldog: iirc, and it's been a while, that's ignoreable and won't happen again after you reboot |
| 04:40.49 | BullWeivel | what about this one? Warning: boot record relocation beyond BPB is necessary: /dev/hda1 |
| 04:41.08 | jetscreamer | never seen that one |
| 04:42.46 | ootput | BullWeivel: what have you done to your system? |
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| 04:43.10 | BullWeivel | well i started upgrading to unstable...then realized i had to have a 2.6 kernel... |
| 04:43.21 | jetscreamer | you don't have to have a 2.6 |
| 04:43.25 | BullWeivel | well when i did the apt-get dist-upgrade it apparently remove lilo and installed grub. |
| 04:43.30 | BullWeivel | now im trying to put it back. |
| 04:43.31 | jetscreamer | might be nice, but not need |
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| 04:43.48 | BullWeivel | something within the packages was saying you had to have 2.6 i forget exactly which...but its what got me stuck. |
| 04:43.57 | jetscreamer | ah you're the second person to say that iirc, lilo magically appears |
| 04:44.01 | BullWeivel | im tempted to just reboot...BUT...this damn box is 3 hours from da house so. |
| 04:44.11 | jetscreamer | apt-get install grub ? |
| 04:44.12 | BullWeivel | actually grub magically appeared. |
| 04:44.17 | jetscreamer | oh |
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| 04:44.18 | BullWeivel | i prefer lilo because i know it :) |
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| 04:44.29 | jetscreamer | i remember that feeling too |
| 04:44.35 | BullWeivel | it had lilo on it before....well shit... or so i thought. this box been sitting not used for like 2 months. |
| 04:44.37 | jetscreamer | took me a long time to go grub |
| 04:44.45 | jetscreamer | grub is cool |
| 04:45.09 | jetscreamer | lilo is fine |
| 04:45.22 | cellofellow | it gets the job done at least? |
| 04:45.27 | BullWeivel | anyways...just curious if any of you know what any of the mess means... google shows lots of people having hte same problem, just not their solutions :( |
| 04:45.38 | jetscreamer | lilo has one advantage that i know of |
| 04:45.49 | cellofellow | ... |
| 04:46.06 | jetscreamer | grub sometimes needs to be able to find /boot/grub |
| 04:46.59 | cellofellow | if /boot is always in hd0,0, there shouldn't be problems. |
| 04:47.08 | cellofellow | but, of course that's not always the case. |
| 04:47.12 | jetscreamer | yeah there it is |
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| 04:47.44 | juanbond | Anyone have recommendations for an iptables firewall script/builder? |
| 04:47.45 | jetscreamer | i've used lilo and grub on pure windows boxes :o |
| 04:47.58 | jetscreamer | shorewall |
| 04:48.00 | cellofellow | firestarter is a good one. |
| 04:48.05 | cellofellow | I think. |
| 04:48.08 | juanbond | what about firehol? |
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| 04:48.19 | jetscreamer | lokkit :p |
| 04:48.40 | ootput | arno's iptables script |
| 04:48.50 | ootput | learn what you can, create your own |
| 04:49.10 | ootput | http://rocky.eld.leidenuniv.nl/ |
| 04:49.17 | cellofellow | probably the best way to do it. :) |
| 04:49.38 | juanbond | :) |
| 04:49.46 | juanbond | is that yours ootput? |
| 04:49.47 | ootput | it's in repos |
| 04:50.36 | _Rubyxx | I just installed postfix and removed sendmail, but both MTAs still try to startup. How do I fix this...look at the last 9 lines of my bootlog at http://rafb.net/p/K2NHn737.html |
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| 04:51.47 | jetscreamer | --purge sendmail ? |
| 04:51.50 | MasterGH | hi, could someone help me fix my mouse? I decided to install some mouce themes, and now when I change theme the only change in the mouse is the loading stage |
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| 04:52.16 | karsten | _Rubyxx: I'll bet you'll find that either you've got initscripts for sendmail installed, or that postfix calls itself sendmail. |
| 04:52.16 | jetscreamer | you probably need to set that in the dm control panel thing MasterGH |
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| 04:52.27 | BullWeivel | hrmm... looks like one of my errors has something to do with devfs and the kernel im running not supporting it. Oh well.. |
| 04:52.27 | jetscreamer | gnome/kde |
| 04:52.32 | BullWeivel | off to reboot.... pray for me! LOL |
| 04:52.34 | MasterGH | I'm in Xfce |
| 04:52.45 | jetscreamer | ah the devfs i remember |
| 04:52.49 | jetscreamer | what kernel, a woody? |
| 04:52.57 | cellofellow | MasterGH: XFCE has a Mouse Themes setting somewhere. |
| 04:53.06 | BullWeivel | yeah it was a woody... i just upgraded it to 2.6 though...hence why i need to reboot. |
| 04:53.09 | jetscreamer | there are 2 sections for that devfs error |
| 04:53.14 | MasterGH | cellofellow: yes, I'm using the mouse preferences aoo |
| 04:53.21 | MasterGH | cellofellow: app* |
| 04:53.30 | jetscreamer | one fixes it, the other is like fullblown devfs and you dont' want that one |
| 04:53.38 | jetscreamer | in the kernel |
| 04:53.47 | BullWeivel | $50 says it doesnt reboot..and my memorial weekend project of getting an * box running will be over. damn it..then i will have to go clean the garage grrrr. |
| 04:53.47 | cellofellow | hmm |
| 04:54.29 | MasterGH | cellofellow: and whenever I change it, only certian bits of the mouse theme change |
| 04:55.01 | cellofellow | sorry, I've never tried it. :/ |
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| 04:55.25 | MasterGH | cellofellow: np...its just very strange.. |
| 04:56.46 | MasterGH | cellofellow: ahhh found it...just needed to reconfigure the cursor options from the command line |
| 04:56.56 | cellofellow | :) |
| 04:57.04 | bitter- | hey |
| 04:57.12 | bitter- | when i try to connect to freenode.net on my fresh etch install |
| 04:57.20 | bitter- | i get that "bad password" bs |
| 04:57.25 | bitter- | what's up with that? |
| 04:57.32 | cellofellow | client? |
| 04:57.36 | bitter- | irssi |
| 04:57.39 | bitter- | bitchx prompted me |
| 04:57.43 | bitter- | so same deal |
| 04:57.47 | cellofellow | *shrugs* |
| 04:57.57 | bitter- | i *know* i've seen it before |
| 04:58.06 | bitter- | it's some silly thing |
| 04:59.19 | fire- | are you running inetd (or similar)? |
| 04:59.53 | ootput | juanbond: no |
| 05:00.07 | ootput | but i did play a role in developing it ages ago |
| 05:01.21 | bitter- | i'm not using inetd |
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| 05:19.05 | Azar | hello honorables! |
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| 05:19.47 | Azar | dumb question here: someone who just installs Etch with kde, can't install Firefox from the repositories? |
| 05:20.09 | Azar | ...since Etch does not come with firefox.. |
| 05:21.39 | Azar | | . | |
| 05:21.40 | jetscreamer | iceweasel?" |
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| 05:22.03 | Azar | hi jetscreamer! yes it comes with iceweasel but say someone prefers firefox... ? |
| 05:22.18 | jetscreamer | go to mozilla.com ? |
| 05:22.41 | Azar | I am reading "apt-get remove suse apt-get install etch" someone's pleased with his etch installation |
| 05:22.58 | Azar | aha, so there is no firefox in etch's repos.. |
| 05:23.16 | nvz | iceweasel is firefox |
| 05:23.21 | Azar | the guy downloads from mozilla and I was thinking: wtf? why not installing from the repos? |
| 05:23.23 | jetscreamer | assuming they could tell the difference |
| 05:23.30 | Azar | nvz, I know |
| 05:23.32 | nvz | finkle is einhorn, and einhorn is finkle |
| 05:23.50 | jetscreamer | bernstein |
| 05:23.52 | nvz | you kissed a man.. he |
| 05:23.55 | nvz | heh |
| 05:23.57 | Azar | haha |
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| 05:25.36 | Azar | ah..the guy prefers the "brand" because "everyone is using it" .. is "popular" ok |
| 05:25.52 | Azar | http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS5756604493.html |
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| 05:27.04 | cellofellow | I accidentally told Etch Netinstall to install Desktop Environment. I don't want that. It's adding hours to my installation time. How do I stop it? That is without quiting and starting over. It's taken a while to get to this point. |
| 05:27.19 | nvz | I prefer people to be smart and not dumb, but the basic laws of human stupidity clearly show this isnt possible |
| 05:27.26 | Rawn | I'm trying to burn a movie to a dvd to watch on my dvd player. I need to split an AVI file into AUDIO_TS and VIDEO_TS directories, does anyone know any program that I can use? |
| 05:27.58 | jetscreamer | mencoder |
| 05:27.59 | Azar | cellofellow: hmm you could stop it but not go back.. |
| 05:28.00 | cellofellow | nvz: do you mean me? |
| 05:28.00 | jetscreamer | avidemux |
| 05:28.06 | jetscreamer | many others |
| 05:29.13 | nvz | cellofellow: na we were talking to Azar about his stupid friend who prefers shit called roses instead of roses called shit |
| 05:29.13 | cellofellow | I just want Standard System, and I didn't realize that Desktop was selected in the dselect tsks or whatever. |
| 05:29.13 | cellofellow | ok, whatever. |
| 05:29.13 | Azar | nvz, that was not my friend! that was an article I was reading |
| 05:29.14 | nvz | Azar: ah. heh |
| 05:29.16 | Azar | check the link :) |
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| 05:29.29 | jetscreamer | i take all those check boxes off |
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| 05:29.32 | jetscreamer | in tasksel |
| 05:29.50 | nvz | na I rather sit here and watch stolen tv thats not a/v sync'd just so I dont have to be bothered with advertisement campaigns |
| 05:30.00 | cellofellow | is there a way I can kill what is happening in the installer and get back to the main menu? (Which I haven't seen but I know it's there._ |
| 05:30.03 | cellofellow | ) |
| 05:30.11 | Azar | nvz, that guy from what I see on his screenshots, is wanting a windows-like system ew |
| 05:30.15 | cellofellow | I have vbox paused right now. |
| 05:30.25 | jetscreamer | nvz: you use a crappy player then, sync the av man, do it manually! |
| 05:30.28 | nvz | Azar: XPDE ftw! |
| 05:30.44 | cellofellow | normally I mimick Mac or just go crazy and make something different when I customize my desktop. |
| 05:30.51 | nvz | jetscreamer: I'm using a flash based player, that goes without saying.. I dont have the video files I am just viewing them |
| 05:30.58 | OA1 | OA_: STOP using my nick please. I'm over being nice and asking you to refrain. |
| 05:31.17 | cellofellow | register the nick, then you can ghost him |
| 05:31.41 | Rawn | jetscreamer: thanks for the info about avidemux |
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| 05:31.50 | nvz | cellofellow: myob, it is registered and he has been told dozens of times :P |
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| 05:32.03 | jetscreamer | Rawn: later on mencoder will seem nicer |
| 05:32.18 | Azar | man that looks like windows desktop, full of crappy icons: http://www.desktoplinux.com/files/article115/etch-diy-desktop-19.jpg |
| 05:32.22 | Azar | whod tell is debian? |
| 05:32.51 | Azar | me either.. |
| 05:33.06 | Azar | my screen looks just like a nice poster pic |
| 05:34.22 | Rawn | I looked into mencoder.. it's quite a bit to advanced for me, I don't understand the intracacies of video and shit so the gui is nice ; P |
| 05:34.22 | jetscreamer | i have a taskbar though with as many as i want to put |
| 05:34.23 | jetscreamer | Rawn: right :) |
| 05:34.23 | nvz | cellofellow: fyi you can use ^C to stop apt/dpkg at any time however unmarking all the packages you selected is a more tedious task |
| 05:34.23 | Azar | not even that man |
| 05:34.23 | Azar | cellofellow: is faster to start from the beginning |
| 05:34.23 | Azar | cellofellow: you will only get the base, is going fast |
| 05:35.00 | Azar | jetscreamer: holly cow man! http://www.desktoplinux.com/files/article115/suse-desktop-snapshot-big.jpg |
| 05:35.55 | Azar | some people just don't have taste eh |
| 05:36.30 | conga | lol |
| 05:36.38 | jetscreamer | elegance is dead, just like chivalry |
| 05:36.40 | conga | Is that your screenshot Azar? |
| 05:36.45 | schme | Nah. They do not. Lots of people running them bloated WMs.. the *boxes, XFCE, gnome, KDE, what not. sheesh! |
| 05:36.48 | Azar | didya see msapps on that desktop too? wtf? |
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| 05:37.54 | Azar | no wonder the vole wants to tax them linux users for using their apps on a linux desktop! |
| 05:38.33 | Sorion_Qaeda | opa!!! |
| 05:38.33 | cast | good thing they're all confused. linux is just a kernel. |
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| 05:38.58 | schme | Really. What is the problem there? Someone likes having icons on their desktop. Does not freedom imply that you can have icons on your desktop if you want that? |
| 05:39.00 | Azar | lookie ma, no hands! word and excel on etch! http://www.desktoplinux.com/files/article115/etch-desktop-snapshot-big.jpg |
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| 05:39.24 | Azar | cast, no that is not right, for the craziness of few innocents will suffer |
| 05:39.26 | schme | cast: I like the one where Microsoft claims that the linux GUI infringes on some software patents. The linux GUI :) |
| 05:39.37 | Azar | HAHAHA |
| 05:39.45 | cellofellow | http://cellofellow.homelinux.net/xubuntu-feisty.png |
| 05:39.45 | cellofellow | ^^^ That more to you liking? |
| 05:39.50 | BullWeivel | asterisks package in unstable appears to be hosed. Its giving me this error.. The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 05:39.50 | BullWeivel | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:40.07 | BullWeivel | how do i check to see if i already have libcurl3 installed?? |
| 05:40.58 | cellofellow | Linux GUI, hahaha. Solaris and AIX and BSD and even Mac (as a supplement) use the same GUI as Linux. |
| 05:41.00 | Azar | holly cow! that's so bloated it takes 5 min the image to open up completely! |
| 05:41.07 | jetscreamer | BullWeivel: apt-get -f install |
| 05:41.19 | cellofellow | or it's on a slow home server |
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| 05:41.37 | jetscreamer | BullWeivel: might want contrib non-free |
| 05:41.48 | BullWeivel | gotcha... i dont think i have that. |
| 05:41.57 | jetscreamer | !contrib |
| 05:41.57 | dpkg | well, contrib is debian packages that are free, but depend on software not in debian (possibly in contrib or non-free) To get packages in contrib, lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end. Ask me about <non-free> |
| 05:42.00 | BullWeivel | i do see libcurl4 just not 3 as a apacket |
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| 05:42.05 | Azar | hehe well, it looks like a kindergarden board |
| 05:42.21 | cellofellow | my screeny? |
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| 05:42.44 | cellofellow | I usually have pretty good looking desktops, but I've gotten lazy. |
| 05:43.31 | schme | I prefer my desktop not looking. I don't look at it. Full screen apps, all the time. |
| 05:44.20 | cellofellow | to each his own. Sometimes I go for the full-screen and using the workspaces. |
| 05:44.55 | BullWeivel | i was going to install Vista the first time this weekend... someone gave me a CD with it on it... its a flipping DVD!!! |
| 05:44.58 | schme | Huh. |
| 05:45.25 | schme | cellofellow: That is when I actually bother starting up X. Seems a waste half of the time :) |
| 05:45.30 | cellofellow | almost all Linux distros have CD and DVD versions. |
| 05:46.06 | cellofellow | links2 is good for graphical webpages, not CSS though. :) |
| 05:46.09 | BullWeivel | well i think it normaly comes as a DVD... at least that is what i was thinking when i saw it. |
| 05:46.21 | schme | ach.. I tend to use w3m . |
| 05:46.39 | cellofellow | hmm |
| 05:46.49 | schme | BullWeivel: Why do you need a burner when you already have a DVD with it on? |
| 05:47.16 | BullWeivel | i dont have a dvd player...just a CD-R... might as well buy a burner and replace my CD-R :) |
| 05:47.18 | Azar | cellofellow: that was my old debian woody: http://www.geocities.com/spaceproxy/onix/screenshot.png |
| 05:48.08 | BullWeivel | jetscremaer: well that didnt fix it... still getting the libcurl3 issue... i dont see libcurl3 but i did get libcurl4 installed. how can i force it to just ignore the libcurl3? |
| 05:48.19 | Azar | here is how exactly my screen looks like when I am not working on it: http://us.share.geocities.com/spaceproxy/onix/rmMystPlan1024.bmp |
| 05:48.53 | BullWeivel | want to make sure it tells me of any other issues...just ignore that one issue. |
| 05:48.53 | cellofellow | Azar: seems a bit spartan. What ever happened to GTK+ themes? |
| 05:48.54 | schme | My screen, when nothing is running in X, looks exactly 100% black. |
| 05:49.02 | cellofellow | hmm |
| 05:49.05 | Azar | themes? |
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| 05:49.38 | cellofellow | ah well |
| 05:49.39 | glasserc | Hmm, the Linux terminal emulator knows how to underline, doesn't it? When I do setterm -underline on, I just get bright. |
| 05:49.44 | Azar | is just a favorite image... nothing else. when I need to start something, just right click and the menu pops up |
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| 05:50.16 | cellofellow | you don't set up a .gtkrc-2.0 file or anything? |
| 05:50.38 | Azar | no? |
| 05:50.38 | cellofellow | ok |
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| 05:50.49 | Azar | just plain x with a bg image and openbox |
| 05:50.52 | cellofellow | I just hate the default GTK look. It needs a theme. Preferably Murrina. |
| 05:51.06 | cellofellow | Window borders are fine by me. I like Fluxbox just fine. |
| 05:51.12 | Azar | my "theme" is from an old game, Myst |
| 05:51.18 | BullWeivel | apt-get question...how can i get it to ignore dependancy issues and just report them to me? |
| 05:51.19 | cellofellow | looks like a game |
| 05:52.50 | schme | Myst was great. |
| 05:52.53 | cellofellow | apt-get -s, for simulate |
| 05:52.56 | cellofellow | I think |
| 05:53.22 | Azar | hmmm dunno if apt-get has a README file, but aptitude has: /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README |
| 05:53.37 | cellofellow | aptitude != apt-get |
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| 05:53.43 | Azar | schme: I still have it :) Myst and Raven the entire stuff |
| 05:53.59 | Azar | cellofellow: aptitude > apt-get |
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| 05:54.42 | Azar | soon I will be looking for an old PC that can run my old games... |
| 05:54.50 | jetscreamer | dselect >* |
| 05:55.12 | Azar | hehe |
| 05:55.12 | cellofellow | why not just use dosbox? |
| 05:55.12 | jetscreamer | you mean riven |
| 05:55.16 | Azar | I have dosbox installed but I still can't manage to figure it out |
| 05:55.19 | schme | Azar: Didn't they make like 5 games in that series? |
| 05:55.47 | Azar | schme: yes |
| 05:55.47 | jetscreamer | i finished myst, but never bothered to finish riven |
| 05:56.02 | schme | I am guessing that Myst might run fine in wine or cedega maybe. |
| 05:56.02 | Azar | and if you want and make nice to me I give you the location of all images |
| 05:56.02 | schme | jetscreamer: Same here. |
| 05:56.02 | cast | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:56.27 | Azar | been long time I used to play it. Stupid me to trash the old PC |
| 05:56.30 | schme | You find out that both brothers are nutbars. If I remember correctly. |
| 05:56.36 | jetscreamer | yeh |
| 05:56.53 | BullWeivel | apt-get has no force method...guess dpkg --force only way to go then ??? if depends are missing that is. |
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| 05:58.46 | Azar | oh mannnn!!! they removed the site with the images!!! criminals! |
| 05:58.59 | Azar | lucky me I downloaded and kept most of them |
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| 06:00.49 | jetscreamer | you should probably just wait till the packages get updated |
| 06:00.54 | jetscreamer | it's not etch is it |
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| 06:03.13 | BullWeivel | its unstable. |
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| 06:03.32 | BullWeivel | libcurl4 is installed on my box...specificaly its bitching about libcurl3....so im thinking it wont matter. |
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| 06:04.15 | BullWeivel | but i cant figure out how to get apt to ignore it... apt-get install asterisk -m or --force-yes and etc are not working :( |
| 06:05.23 | cellofellow | new desktop: http://cellofellow.homelinux.net/xubuntu-feisty.png |
| 06:05.35 | jetscreamer | d/l 3 from pdo and install it |
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| 06:05.51 | BullWeivel | pdo ? |
| 06:05.51 | jetscreamer | wait for asterisk to get updated |
| 06:05.51 | jetscreamer | !pdo |
| 06:05.51 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
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| 06:06.37 | BullWeivel | thats an idea...i just figured 4 wouldnt be much different then 3 :) |
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| 06:07.29 | BullWeivel | ok...wtf it is in unstable on pdo |
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| 06:07.56 | Azar | cellofellow: much nicer now, but can't you hide those horrible icons? |
| 06:08.12 | cellofellow | sorry, I like em |
| 06:08.15 | Azar | put them all in one folder, like home |
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| 06:08.35 | cellofellow | instead of one menu, I have five. It's quicker. |
| 06:08.42 | jetscreamer | do whatever you like |
| 06:08.54 | Azar | you know, ok everyone with its own, but when I moved away from mswindows, I swore I will never ever rely on something to click on |
| 06:08.55 | jetscreamer | that's the point, isn't it? |
| 06:09.13 | Azar | is addictive man |
| 06:09.21 | cellofellow | alt+f2 and I get a run dialog. |
| 06:09.27 | Azar | that why everyone moving over are like: where are my icons? |
| 06:10.15 | cellofellow | they just never used anything else. They think "desktop computer == icons". |
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| 06:10.23 | Azar | true |
| 06:10.30 | Azar | they missed the goodies |
| 06:12.46 | cellofellow | actually, my dad hates desktop icons. He likes to have his wallpaper undisturbed. He's a shutterbug. He puts all of his icons on the taskbar instead. |
| 06:12.53 | cellofellow | it gets crowded. |
| 06:13.23 | jetscreamer | great i'm getting comcasted against my will |
| 06:13.42 | cellofellow | I'm getting Fiber Optic soon. :) |
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| 06:14.21 | mike__ | gooo lenny |
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| 06:16.55 | Azar | you know, speaking of a graphical interface makes me vision one of these laboratories where the user errr the worker needs to handle harmful substances through a glass window where he sticks his hands on gloves though two holes and operate some kind of robotic handles.. |
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| 06:17.28 | Azar | :) sick imagination |
| 06:17.42 | cellofellow | that's like in facilities where they handle nuclear stuff. |
| 06:17.50 | Azar | yea or some germs |
| 06:18.10 | Azar | you actuall perform simple commands using these icons |
| 06:18.31 | Azar | some link breaks and the icon becomes unresponsive |
| 06:18.32 | cellofellow | on Linux, I know what every icon does command-wise. |
| 06:18.44 | cellofellow | WIndows, on the other hand... |
| 06:18.49 | Azar | cellofellow: at least you don't get lost |
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| 06:20.19 | Azar | I remember my first year on Debian... I jumped on unstable. I was using X and one day my firefox died. I was clicking on the menu to get it open and it won't re |
| 06:20.23 | Azar | respond |
| 06:20.32 | Azar | :) that was fun |
| 06:20.59 | Azar | I reinstalled Debian (woody) and stayed about one year on command line only |
| 06:21.55 | cellofellow | most people are terrified of command line. Mostly cause DOS sucked so much. |
| 06:24.56 | Azar | do you have a choice? :) http://img.worsethanfailure.com/Images/200705/error'd/reset.png |
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| 06:26.34 | MasterGH | hi again, could someone tell me the way of resetting any changes I've done to cursors? |
| 06:27.10 | MasterGH | because I accidentally removed the core theme |
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| 06:28.37 | Azar | heh I didn't know SourceForge owns /. |
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| 06:31.41 | MasterGH | nevermind...fixed it |
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| 06:32.39 | MasterGH | but a slightly different problem, I've customized my cursor, but it only works when I put it in a program window, if I just put it on my desktop wallpaper its the default black cursor |
| 06:32.53 | ootput | i got into console out of necessity |
| 06:32.57 | MasterGH | does anyone know what would cause it? |
| 06:33.07 | ootput | never really cared for it prior |
| 06:34.08 | MasterGH | exit |
| 06:34.14 | MasterGH | woops sorry |
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| 06:44.24 | piztek3 | does anyone here run beryl and game? |
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| 06:48.03 | daya | does debian etch fully support ltsp, |
| 06:50.14 | Xenguy | daya: AFAIK yes... |
| 06:50.23 | Xenguy | daya: are you finding otherwise ? |
| 06:51.38 | Azar | piztek3: games but no beryl |
| 06:52.45 | daya | Xenguy, I am trying to install with the packages that comes with debian etch |
| 06:54.12 | NetEcho | althought LTSP is a pretty old concept its still marvelous considering the powerful hardware you can buy to become the host server for it |
| 06:54.20 | piztek3 | Azar: just the games |
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| 06:56.16 | threat | I am having problems with the new sasl / cyrus21 package, it seems to have changed a default setting. Before TLS/SSL authentication was not required now it is and I cannot find out where this is changed. |
| 06:56.19 | threat | any ideas? |
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| 07:04.01 | NefariousPrior | I just installed Etch to my thumb drive with no issues other than tweaking grub a bit. The whole boot sequence goes through and it gets an IP and leaves me at a login prompt. Hitting ANY key after this causes all kinds of USB errors similar to what you would see if you removed and reinserted your thumb drive a bunch of time. Anyone know how to fix this? |
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| 07:06.19 | Azar | that's interesting, an article by Raphael Hertzog posted on: " Posted by dcparris on Oct 29, 2008 10:38 AM " |
| 07:06.26 | Azar | anyone itching to read the future? |
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| 07:09.22 | NefariousPrior | heh |
| 07:09.51 | JosefAssad | unless the article can tell me I'm going to get a job, not interested :)3$ |
| 07:10.48 | JosefAssad | anyone recommend a good exim introduction for a lamer like me? I'm biting the bullet and learning a proper MTA |
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| 07:12.22 | Azar | JosefAssad: a better howto than a debian manual or even the exim website... |
| 07:12.26 | Azar | no idea |
| 07:13.17 | JosefAssad | Azar: I did look in both those places, but there doesn't seem to be anything which goes "Right, so you're a lamer and you're sitting in front of a terminal having just typed sudo aptitude install exim4" |
| 07:13.35 | Azar | NefariousPrior: do you use the plugdev group for your user? |
| 07:13.36 | threat | hi |
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| 07:13.59 | JosefAssad | Well, to be more precise around lamer, I'm smart enough and totally command line comfy (8 years now), but I never got around to picking up a proper MTA |
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| 07:15.23 | NefariousPrior | MTAs, bah, who needs em. |
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| 07:16.08 | JosefAssad | NefariousPrior: What would you suggest? I'm open to good ideas. But I don't want to be tied to the delivery functionality of one mail client like sylpheed... |
| 07:16.42 | cast | i'd suggest everyone uses gmail but then i may get stoned. |
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| 07:18.22 | JosefAssad | cast: I actually do that right now, but I'd like to avoid having to open the browser to send mail. I use dovecot + fetchmail + procmail + bogofilter and my toolchain is perfect except for the absence of a good sending function |
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| 07:18.39 | Sazpaimon | hey, anyone know where i can get help with my vm-pop3d setup? |
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| 07:20.59 | Azar | JosefAssad: did you see this? http://www.exim.org/howto/mailman20.html |
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| 07:21.13 | Azar | I only can point you to links, I do not use email on my system |
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| 07:21.44 | Azar | cast: I only use yahoo and for good reason |
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| 07:21.59 | JosefAssad | Azar: That unfortunately is for mailing lists which I have no immediate need for :) I appreciate the effort though |
| 07:22.13 | Azar | sorry I could not help |
| 07:22.27 | JosefAssad | Thing is, I travel a LOT, and in countries with poor connectivity so I really need a bit of a more spohisticated setup... |
| 07:22.48 | JosefAssad | Azar: No, full marks for patience, effort, and willingness to google for me :) |
| 07:23.03 | cast | Azar: which is? |
| 07:23.07 | mike__ | (**) |
| 07:23.25 | Azar | cast: so far the only webmail that allows nonjava users |
| 07:23.49 | cast | Azar: ahhhh. i want imap access :< |
| 07:23.58 | cast | i'd pay gmail for that |
| 07:24.28 | Decepticon | ive got the packages tightvncserver and vnc-common, what command do i use for the vnc viewer? |
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| 07:24.35 | Azar | as far, yahoo is the only one who still secretly allows users who don't use javascripts to have their own way |
| 07:24.36 | Decepticon | or do i need more packages |
| 07:25.03 | cahoot | vncview? |
| 07:25.45 | cahoot | err - aptitude search vncview |
| 07:26.03 | JosefAssad | non-java as in non-java script? |
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| 07:27.57 | Azar | JosefAssad: I ment non-javascript |
| 07:28.17 | JosefAssad | gmail has a simple html option... doesn't that mean no js? |
| 07:28.26 | JosefAssad | it's the link way at the bottom |
| 07:28.42 | Azar | gmail forces the users to have js enabled on the browser |
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| 07:29.29 | Azar | if I would have the time I would darn learn how to build my own mailserver |
| 07:32.32 | mmnicolas | Azar: it's one of the easiest thing to set up |
| 07:32.55 | cahoot | he wants to build it |
| 07:34.37 | JosefAssad | mmnicolas: unless you want to route through several smarthosts depending on From: field, in which case you pretty much need to understand how the whole monster works :) |
| 07:34.37 | Azar | mmnicolas: I was trying back in the woody days with postfix, it never worked. I need time to sit and try again... it takes time |
| 07:34.38 | mmnicolas | JosefAssad: oh really, it is a monster ? |
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| 07:34.38 | JosefAssad | mmnicolas: to a MTA newbie like me, yes |
| 07:34.38 | Azar | if I will be feeling good after surgery, I will have time to spend on it |
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| 07:35.48 | mmnicolas | Azar: which part of you will be rearranged ? |
| 07:36.11 | cast | hmm. just installed e17 from cvs..anyone know how i can get the debian menus to come up in it? |
| 07:36.16 | JosefAssad | mmnicolas: the bit which wants to write a new MTA |
| 07:36.22 | mmnicolas | haha |
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| 07:36.38 | mmnicolas | this might be hard to find for a surgeon |
| 07:36.40 | JosefAssad | erm. s/Azoff/Azar/ |
| 07:37.34 | JosefAssad | now, speaking of the gmail web interface, it won'þ send now |
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| 07:37.54 | JosefAssad | yet another reason to get exim up and running |
| 07:38.15 | yos87 | hi |
| 07:38.40 | JosefAssad | hi yos87 |
| 07:39.15 | dimir | Moni |
| 07:39.17 | dimir | Moin |
| 07:39.21 | yos87 | I have question, I trying to access my home pc through putty or winscp , I make the port forwarding at home , But it always show connection timed out , how can I resolve it |
| 07:39.27 | yos87 | JosefAssad: Thank you |
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| 07:39.40 | Azoff | JosefAssad: heh |
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| 07:39.58 | sobersabre | hi, is it possible that ACPI or APM or I2C modules would cause a machine to stall once ina while ? |
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| 07:40.35 | streuner_ | yos87: so the port is up there? |
| 07:40.42 | mmnicolas | sobersabre: it should be in a timely manner |
| 07:40.43 | JosefAssad | sobersabre: I can imagine that. They _are_ kernel space. I would work by elimination to find out |
| 07:40.52 | streuner_ | yos87: is sshd running at home? |
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| 07:41.26 | yos87 | streuner_: I Don't know, isn't it running by defult? |
| 07:41.35 | streuner_ | yos87: nope |
| 07:41.50 | streuner_ | yos87: apt-get install ssh |
| 07:42.07 | JosefAssad | sobersabre: for exmple, turn off all three, run for X time (where X is like twice the average time between hangs observed), then introduce ACPI, APM, I2C one at a time individually each also for 2*X time |
| 07:42.11 | yos87 | streuner_: Only this? |
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| 07:42.25 | streuner_ | yos87: and read 'man sshd_config', yes |
| 07:42.42 | sobersabre | JosefAssad: I'd like to head about a possibility, of somebody's determined that they are the cause of the desease. |
| 07:42.59 | yos87 | streuner_: Ok, when I go home, I'll check those out, Thank you verymuch |
| 07:43.04 | JosefAssad | sobersabre: well, one way to find out is like I told you |
| 07:43.14 | streuner_ | yos87: np |
| 07:43.24 | dimir | sobersabre: I've heard ACPI can cause that. |
| 07:43.43 | yos87 | streuner_: also, when I ping my host, it show the ip, my pc not replay |
| 07:43.52 | valdyn | sobersabre: anything broken in kernel can cause that. Doesnt mean its likely or probable. |
| 07:44.09 | sobersabre | hm |
| 07:44.10 | sobersabre | OK. |
| 07:44.30 | dimir | yos87: the input SSH connections at you home may be blocked by your home ISP too. |
| 07:44.31 | sobersabre | I have an nfs file server, I am trying to troubleshoot it for 2 weeks. |
| 07:44.34 | streuner_ | yos87: even if you use the IP itself? |
| 07:44.51 | sobersabre | and I have now found it spills these into syslog: |
| 07:44.53 | sobersabre | failed to lock /var/lib/nfs/rmtab |
| 07:44.57 | sobersabre | many of these. |
| 07:44.57 | streuner_ | yos87: Debian doesn't use a firewall by default |
| 07:45.06 | streuner_ | yos87: ... |
| 07:45.09 | sobersabre | is it possible I have some kind of locks exhaustion ? |
| 07:45.13 | valdyn | sobersabre: how many? |
| 07:45.23 | sobersabre | valdyn: how many what ? |
| 07:45.38 | valdyn | sobersabre: how many ' failed to lock /var/lib/nfs/rmtab' |
| 07:45.52 | valdyn | sobersabre: including 'message xy was repeated z times' |
| 07:46.06 | valdyn | sobersabre: just a rough estimate... thousands? |
| 07:46.13 | yos87 | streuner_: yea, no replay, requsted timed out |
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| 07:46.30 | sobersabre | valdyn: no.. lemme see how long this log is alive. |
| 07:46.36 | yos87 | streuner_: it might be from my old router |
| 07:46.37 | streuner_ | yos87: well, the home box isn't connected to i-net right then |
| 07:46.55 | streuner_ | yos87: oh, you're using a hardware-router? |
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| 07:46.59 | sobersabre | since 6:30 it got 44 entrances upto 10:00 |
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| 07:47.04 | sobersabre | ls |
| 07:47.08 | yos87 | streuner_: what is the i-net? |
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| 07:47.13 | streuner_ | yos87: internet |
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| 07:47.23 | dimir | Or incoming connections and ping are blocked by ISP. |
| 07:47.29 | yos87 | streuner_: yes, I told you, I'm useing router |
| 07:47.45 | streuner_ | yos87: so just configure that router |
| 07:47.50 | sobersabre | valdyn: in all logs I have about 2000 lines. |
| 07:47.59 | valdyn | sobersabre: not a whole lot.. so that's not realy the issue but it could be related to it.. |
| 07:48.03 | sobersabre | 1972 to be precise. |
| 07:48.05 | streuner_ | yos87: most of them using fw by default |
| 07:48.13 | dimir | yos87: try to traceroute to home, see where that stops. |
| 07:48.14 | yos87 | streuner_: anything except the port forward? I did |
| 07:48.16 | sobersabre | valdyn: what do I do to ... stop this ? |
| 07:48.17 | valdyn | sobersabre: stop nfs, see if it still hangs |
| 07:48.26 | sobersabre | who still hangs ? |
| 07:48.29 | sobersabre | the server ? |
| 07:48.33 | streuner_ | yos87: in this case, some of them block pings by default... |
| 07:48.53 | valdyn | sobersabre: your abovementioned 'stall' |
| 07:49.04 | sobersabre | valdyn: checking :)( |
| 07:49.05 | sobersabre | thanks. |
| 07:49.06 | dpkg | sobersabre: no problem |
| 07:49.17 | yos87 | streuner_: I see, Thank you for help |
| 07:49.19 | streuner_ | yos87: dmir made a good suggestions, just make what he told you |
| 07:49.35 | sobersabre | something is wierd. |
| 07:50.45 | streuner_ | apt, test |
| 07:50.59 | apt | Test Passed! |
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| 07:51.43 | streuner_ | stupid bot, you have to say "Test failed!" :-) |
| 07:52.13 | dimir | :-D |
| 07:52.33 | streuner_ | apt, literal test |
| 07:52.50 | apt | "test" is "<reply> Oh, no! There's a test and I haven't studied! || <reply> Test Passed! || <reply> Test Failed!" |
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| 07:57.05 | daya | is there is any step by step guide to setup LTSP on debian etch , |
| 07:57.13 | daya | through apt-get tools |
| 07:57.42 | daya | actually I have debian etch dvds, and I want to install and setup ltsp server, |
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| 07:58.32 | amerej | how can i set iwconfig parameters on interfaces file ? |
| 08:02.19 | RA3OR[psy] | hmm, who can help me with ntpdate? i need to change timezone |
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| 08:04.50 | rza | RA3OR[psy]: tzconfig |
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| 08:10.35 | RA3OR[psy] | rzaL ty, much appreciated :) |
| 08:10.40 | RA3OR[psy] | rza: ty, much appreciated :) |
| 08:11.05 | lamer007 | hi guys, any idea why when I plug flash disk into usb it doesnt automount as used to before and /var/log/messages keeps saying that is cdrom ? |
| 08:11.14 | jetscreamer | note tzconfig is deprecated |
| 08:11.56 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure tzsomething or so is to be the new method |
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| 08:12.13 | lamer007 | and ps aux keeps telling me about hald-addon-storage: plling /dev/sda and scd0 |
| 08:12.40 | jetscreamer | usb sticks are usually recognized as sd |
| 08:13.15 | lamer007 | yep, but why scd0 ? |
| 08:13.25 | jetscreamer | i dunno |
| 08:13.39 | lamer007 | when its usb stick ? |
| 08:13.50 | lamer007 | any config where I can fix it ? |
| 08:14.01 | lamer007 | is it done by gnome-volume-manager ? |
| 08:14.08 | jetscreamer | i dunno cuz i don't do automount |
| 08:14.10 | wols_ | is it an in any way special stick? read only parts for example? |
| 08:14.26 | cahoot | lamer007: somewhere in /etc/udev/rules.d/ ? |
| 08:14.28 | lamer007 | neither me, but my brother is new to linux so its kind of help for him |
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| 08:16.18 | lamer007 | Ive pasted in #flood the output of /var/log/messages for those who are willing to help |
| 08:16.29 | lamer007 | just those lines when pluging the usb stick |
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| 08:17.04 | Bladerunner05 | Hi all, I install debian 4.0 run apt-get install gnome and when X try to start return this error cannot stat /etc/X11/X no such file.... |
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| 08:18.06 | Amarande | hmm, how much of the wine code is actually even -used- by debian's version of wine? :) |
| 08:18.21 | Amarande | The source tarball is 15.1MB. The Debian diff is a bit over 10MB. |
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| 08:18.47 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:18.56 | jetscreamer | oops! |
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| 08:24.00 | jetscreamer | source vs optimized stripped ... hmmm |
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| 08:28.14 | piztek3 | does anyone here know how to install awn? |
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| 08:28.32 | jetscreamer | !info awn |
| 08:28.49 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:29.01 | piztek3 | jetscreamer: do you know about it? |
| 08:29.07 | runa | hi i want smth that just converts a file in ps and then sends it to the printer(not a printserver) |
| 08:29.09 | jetscreamer | never heard of it |
| 08:29.28 | jetscreamer | !find ps2 |
| 08:29.30 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'ps2' (3): ps2eps ;; yapps2 ;; yapps2-runtime. |
| 08:29.35 | jetscreamer | !find psto |
| 08:29.37 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'psto' (5): epstool ;; libpstoedit-dev ;; libpstoedit0c2a ;; pstoedit ;; pstotext. |
| 08:29.47 | lamer007 | cahoot, any idea which one from rules.d/ might do the trick with usb flash stick ? |
| 08:30.48 | streuner | !smth |
| 08:30.48 | dpkg | i guess smth is stupid-speak for something |
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| 08:31.04 | streuner | runa: "smth"? |
| 08:31.27 | runa | something |
| 08:31.28 | runa | sorry |
| 08:31.57 | piztek3 | beryl is so cool |
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| 08:32.06 | shay|work | and so useless |
| 08:32.07 | streuner | runa: what kind of file is that? |
| 08:32.17 | streuner | runa: file <file> |
| 08:32.31 | vladuz976 | what TeX or LaTeX distribution does debian offer in their repos? tetex still? |
| 08:32.48 | runa | i mean just like lpr but not having a deamon running |
| 08:32.55 | streuner | there was a change lately in unstable.. |
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| 08:33.09 | streuner | runa: CUPS? |
| 08:33.39 | runa | doesnt it require e deamon to be running all the time? |
| 08:33.54 | streuner | runa: install CUPS, yes. |
| 08:34.27 | runa | i dont want a deamon to be running because i print occasionaly |
| 08:34.31 | runa | it is useless |
| 08:34.40 | cast | hey guys. so if i have a server, lets say /var is on lvm and i'm using xfs. and i expand the LV and do an online resize of xfs, do i have to remount /var to get the new space? and does this online resizing with xfs need any special kernel patches if i don't have to remount it |
| 08:34.52 | streuner | there is always "update-rc.d -f cups remove" ... ;-) |
| 08:35.01 | streuner | runa: ^^^ |
| 08:35.30 | streuner | runa: that's a way to have those packages installed, but the daemon doesn't run at boot-time... |
| 08:35.57 | runa | thanks |
| 08:35.57 | dpkg | runa: no worries |
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| 08:44.55 | fat-lobyte | hello |
| 08:45.15 | sobersabre | guys, how much is supposed to cost all-in-one AiO600 HP server ? |
| 08:45.30 | sobersabre | somebody is offering me... I think it is also an old machine... right ? |
| 08:45.38 | sobersabre | I may bend his price down. |
| 08:46.22 | cast | welcome to #old-hw-quotes |
| 08:46.50 | pythonic | hi! /proc/bus/usb/devices says Driver=(none) for my Sony DSC Cybershot camera :-/ |
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| 08:51.57 | eNTi|notebook | hi. can someone suggest a bandwidth monitoring tool please? probably one that can show me bandwith per lan ip and protocol? |
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| 08:52.28 | valdyn | cast: xfs can increase fs size online |
| 08:52.28 | cast | iptraf doesn't quite do what you want |
| 08:52.29 | cast | but its close :D |
| 08:52.55 | cast | valdyn: but does that mean i see the results without remounting and without needing a kernel patch? |
| 08:53.02 | valdyn | cast: yes |
| 08:53.08 | fat-lobyte | hi, what package do I have to install the section 3 manpages for sockets? |
| 08:53.25 | cast | valdyn: see because the other way of interpreting online resizing is that you can increase the size while its still mounted, but wont see it till you remoun |
| 08:53.32 | valdyn | cast: as long as the underlying block device supports this, which lvm does |
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| 08:54.17 | valdyn | cast: yea, i know of no filesystem that would work as you said. It's either umount to resize or completely online |
| 08:54.29 | cast | ahh :). cool |
| 08:55.02 | valdyn | cast: in fact it would get seriously complex for the kernel to deal with filesystem in memory and on disk being different |
| 08:55.22 | ma3x | how do I specify eth1 in /etc/network/interfaces so that it will remain down when I boot the computer? and later if I want to up it, I'll ifup eth1 |
| 08:55.52 | wols_ | fat-lobyte: manpages-dev IIRC |
| 08:56.00 | valdyn | ma3x: you dont have an auto line that contains eth1 |
| 08:56.32 | ma3x | valdyn, I do |
| 08:56.39 | wols_ | ma3x: that's the problem |
| 08:56.42 | ma3x | :p |
| 08:56.59 | wols_ | any interface that has an auto line is brought up at bootup |
| 08:57.41 | threat | hmmm any cyrus users here? |
| 08:57.44 | fat-lobyte | wols_: thank you, it worked |
| 08:57.45 | threat | need some help |
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| 08:58.00 | ma3x | so if I configure the eth1 (wlan) with iface eth1 inet dhcp, and then I type ifup eth1, to what network will it connect? to the next one available? |
| 08:58.01 | wols_ | !tell threat about ask |
| 08:58.25 | wols_ | ma3x: wlan or wired? |
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| 08:58.34 | threat | wols_, read up if you want to see what i typed in over 2 hrs ago, I could ask the same question and wait another 2hrs if you think that will help me |
| 08:58.44 | ma3x | wols_, wireless. what's wired?? |
| 08:58.58 | tarzeau | haha i love these films where they are on the roofs of trains |
| 08:59.11 | wols_ | threat: how new? mine doesn't need TLS |
| 08:59.28 | ma3x | tarzeau, what film are you watching? |
| 08:59.28 | wols_ | a buster keaton or chaplin one |
| 08:59.29 | tarzeau | ma3x: one with louis de funes |
| 08:59.35 | threat | wols_, ii cyrus21-imapd 2.1.18-5.1 Cyrus mail system (IMAP support) |
| 09:00.09 | wols_ | threat: which is what I run. since quite some time. no TLS, no SASL |
| 09:00.15 | threat | ii libsasl2 2.1.22.dfsg1-8 Authentication abstraction library |
| 09:00.17 | tarzeau | ma3x: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_de_Fun%C3%A8s |
| 09:00.18 | wols_ | erm, no SSL. of course it uses SASL |
| 09:00.21 | ma3x | tarzeau, The Adventures of Rabbi Jacob ? |
| 09:00.27 | threat | wols_, hehe I was about to say :) |
| 09:00.36 | wols_ | same sasl here |
| 09:00.45 | tarzeau | ma3x: no i think the fantomas one |
| 09:00.48 | wols_ | and I didn't have to do anything special |
| 09:00.51 | threat | wols_, ok, can I have a look at your imapd.conf then? |
| 09:00.58 | ma3x | tarzeau, yeah he's great! |
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| 09:01.02 | threat | wols_, I updated from sarge to etch |
| 09:01.10 | threat | wols_, which is where the problems started |
| 09:01.13 | tarzeau | ma3x: they're like jumping onto the train from a bridge, and louis lands on a horse on the train... |
| 09:01.21 | threat | (hence why I am asking in #debian instead of #cyrus) |
| 09:01.40 | _Rubyxx | I have been having problems sending mail and want to uninstall Postfix....Do I really need an MTA? (especially as it it doesnt seem to be working anyway) |
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| 09:01.51 | tarzeau | ma3x: but do you remember flash gordon? |
| 09:01.56 | ma3x | tarzeau, haha and how does he react? |
| 09:02.00 | tarzeau | ma3x: http://flash.istheshit.net/ |
| 09:02.03 | tarzeau | ma3x: like his balls hurt |
| 09:02.07 | ma3x | lol |
| 09:02.19 | tarzeau | ma3x: the french are the rocks |
| 09:02.41 | ma3x | tarzeau, what about flash gordon? |
| 09:02.41 | threat | wols_, I run saslauthd in debug mode and it is telling me it authenticates correctly, when using imtest I get this error --> S: imapd: ldap-nss.c:1374: do_init: Assertion `cfg->ldc_uris[__session.ls_current_uri] != ((void *)0)' failed. |
| 09:02.41 | threat | failure: prot layer failure |
| 09:02.49 | wols_ | threat: IIRC sarge had a 2.0.0 cyrus version. DB format changed somewhere with some manual config needed what SASL mechanism do you have before |
| 09:03.10 | wols_ | !tell threat about errors |
| 09:03.10 | tarzeau | ma3x: those movies are also awful! |
| 09:03.10 | threat | wols_, I used cyrus21 from sarge (or it would of been from testing) |
| 09:03.12 | threat | would = could |
| 09:03.21 | ma3x | tarzeau, what do you mean awful, you like it |
| 09:03.31 | wols_ | question is, why saslauthd? |
| 09:03.31 | tarzeau | ma3x: horribly funny |
| 09:03.37 | tarzeau | ma3x: like so bad, that it's fun |
| 09:03.38 | ma3x | tarzeau, who's the flash gordon actor? |
| 09:03.48 | tarzeau | ma3x: no idea |
| 09:03.48 | threat | wols_, because cyrus requires it |
| 09:03.53 | ma3x | tarzeau, yeah but louis is not bad!! |
| 09:04.09 | tarzeau | ma3x: i didn't mean bad like that |
| 09:04.18 | tarzeau | ma3x: just the quality, he's utterly nervous |
| 09:04.43 | ma3x | yeah yeah |
| 09:04.50 | threat | wols_, hmmm you want me to paste more error messages in here? |
| 09:04.52 | wols_ | threat: that is wrong. I don't run it |
| 09:04.54 | ma3x | I've seen the one with rabbi jacob, it ownz! |
| 09:05.04 | ma3x | tarzeau, seen that one? |
| 09:05.05 | threat | wols_, wtf |
| 09:05.14 | threat | wols_, can i look at your imapd.conf file yet? :) |
| 09:05.16 | tarzeau | ma3x: maybe, but i don't remember |
| 09:05.17 | ma3x | tarzeau, the mob is chasing him |
| 09:05.26 | wols_ | saslauthd might be needed if you want to use /etc/shadow for auth |
| 09:05.32 | wols_ | if you use cyrus only, then not |
| 09:06.54 | wols_ | threat: one sex. btw my pwcheck method is auxprop |
| 09:07.11 | jetscreamer | wols_: debian .21 is fucked... and it seems to be the debian patches, but not enough data for a certainty. source from kernel.org (2.6.21-3) works fine with same .config |
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| 09:07.38 | jetscreamer | just fyi |
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| 09:07.49 | valdyn | jetscreamer: what is fucked? |
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| 09:08.13 | jetscreamer | well either jfs or sis900.. i'm not good enough to be able to tell |
| 09:08.14 | wols_ | threat: http://paste.debian.net/28988 |
| 09:08.21 | wols_ | jetscreamer: your SIS problem again? |
| 09:08.25 | wols_ | ah |
| 09:08.27 | threat | wols_, I want to use PAM |
| 09:08.28 | ma3x | wols_, your config doesn't work with the newer kernels , I got rt2500 problem |
| 09:08.32 | jetscreamer | wols_: no problem with good sources |
| 09:08.36 | jetscreamer | apparently |
| 09:08.57 | t1n0m3n | anyone know how to set the MTU in ubuntu and still be able to use networkmanager? I am trying to use VPN over a dsl connection. This is a part of networkmanager (manual setting of MTU) in opensuse.... No option in ubuntu.... sorry no one can answer my ? in the ubuntu channel |
| 09:08.58 | wols_ | threat: then you probably need saslauthd. but: your problem is not with cyrus but with that |
| 09:08.59 | ma3x | jetscreamer, when compiling you get sis or rt problem? |
| 09:09.03 | jetscreamer | note it is the first problem since i started compiling kernels.. woody |
| 09:09.08 | jetscreamer | not when compiling |
| 09:09.12 | threat | wols_, hmmmm |
| 09:09.16 | jetscreamer | when running the finished product |
| 09:09.19 | threat | wols_, pam or saslauthd? |
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| 09:09.22 | ma3x | jetscreamer, what problem do you have with sis then? |
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| 09:09.34 | wols_ | ma3x: if you are too dumb to change the .config to your hwardware, this is not my problem. it'S a CUSTOM kernel config |
| 09:09.46 | wols_ | threat: saslauthd that auths against PAM |
| 09:09.46 | jetscreamer | ma3x: it's listed first in the traceback when it panics |
| 09:09.54 | valdyn | t1n0m3n: why must you change the mtu? broken router? |
| 09:10.01 | ma3x | wols_, you made it for some headless server without usb functions |
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| 09:10.08 | ma3x | haha |
| 09:10.22 | jetscreamer | ma3x: if you're not doing 2.6.21 it's your .config |
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| 09:10.34 | jetscreamer | and if you're doing 2.6.21 it might be your config |
| 09:10.35 | t1n0m3n | valdyn: I am tying to run cisco vpn over dsl. 1500 mtu is just too big |
| 09:10.39 | wols_ | ma3x: that's why you are supposed to run menuconfig when getting .configs from other people (and why those .configs are actually prett much worthless for you) |
| 09:10.46 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 09:10.51 | jetscreamer | op configs? |
| 09:10.54 | jetscreamer | zomg |
| 09:10.59 | valdyn | t1n0m3n: that's already to big for just dsl, but is no problem in itself... |
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| 09:11.13 | wols_ | valdyn: depeds on the DSL :) |
| 09:11.28 | threat | mmmmm |
| 09:11.37 | wols_ | valdyn: and who knows, cisco might be its usual shitty self and barf on too big MTUs :) |
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| 09:12.22 | chronographer | Hi all. I have a problem with my sound sometimes. i use etch and occasionally mpd will lose its connection (sonata says disconnected) and if I play a movie using vlc it has issues and all other music programs wont work, (xmms, amarok etc.) sometimes if I use alsaconf it fixes it, sometimes a crt;-alt-backspace fixes things, usually I need a reboot. What can I look at to diagnose the problem and any ideas on how to fix it? |
| 09:12.30 | ma3x | wols_, you also said I need to run make oldconfig. why would I need that when I have already .config / |
| 09:12.33 | jetscreamer | what kind of mtu size would one get/use for an oc3 |
| 09:12.36 | t1n0m3n | valdyn: yeah, I would like to set the mtu to 1300 so it doesnt conflict with anything, I can do so manually with ifconfig, but I was wondering if there was a way to make the change permanent without breaking networkmanager |
| 09:12.38 | jetscreamer | i want one |
| 09:12.44 | chronographer | most of the time things work fine |
| 09:12.54 | jetscreamer | ma3x: because |
| 09:13.00 | valdyn | t1n0m3n: probably /etc/rc.local |
| 09:13.01 | t1n0m3n | valdyn: the pre-up method breaks networkmanaager |
| 09:13.01 | wols_ | ma3x: cause you were using a .config for and older kernel with newer sources. learn to compile a kernel |
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| 09:13.12 | valdyn | t1n0m3n: im not sure if network-manager would change that again, just try? |
| 09:13.14 | uyohm | Hi all ! |
| 09:13.47 | chronographer | hi |
| 09:13.58 | jetscreamer | !greet uyohm |
| 09:13.59 | dpkg | Howdy, uyohm |
| 09:14.08 | t1n0m3n | valdyn: ahh, so I can put something like "ifconfig eth0 mtu 1300" in rc.local? |
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| 09:14.12 | wols_ | t1n0m3n: dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1 |
| 09:14.16 | valdyn | t1n0m3n: yep |
| 09:14.40 | t1n0m3n | valdyn: sweet, lemme try, thanks for your help |
| 09:14.41 | uyohm | I would like my mounted Samba share to be excluded from the "sudo updatedb" command ,because it it a 900Gig RAID5 and takes some time to be indexed ! How can I achieve this ? |
| 09:15.06 | valdyn | t1n0m3n: check if that file even exists on your debian, i dont remember when support for it was added. |
| 09:15.36 | wols_ | valdyn: etch IIRC |
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| 09:15.46 | valdyn | uyohm: edit /etc/updatedb.conf |
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| 09:16.33 | uyohm | Valdyn : Thank you ! |
| 09:17.19 | t1n0m3n | valdyn: its there , I will try a reboot to see if it works... brb |
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| 09:19.30 | cast | ..go me. i moved contents of usr to /mnt/usr...but forgot to moutn /mnt/usr |
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| 09:24.22 | t1n0m3n | woo! putting ifconfig eth0 mtu 1300 in rc.local worked, thanks |
| 09:25.03 | cast | umm |
| 09:26.04 | cast | isn't stuff like that better in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 09:26.04 | t1n0m3n | valdyn: thanks for your help |
| 09:26.04 | cast | ignore me. |
| 09:26.04 | Rebecca | k |
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| 09:26.04 | t1n0m3n | cast: yeah it is, but if you put it there it breaks networkmanager |
| 09:26.04 | cast | Rebecca: :| smartass. |
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| 09:27.23 | wols_ | t1n0m3n: the question is why do you use network manager and not just /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 09:28.03 | valdyn | n-m would need some advanced tuning options for this, while its explicitely trying to not expose such complex things |
| 09:28.18 | t1n0m3n | wols_ hmm, <<< newb? you have a better way? I am all ears |
| 09:28.44 | t1n0m3n | wols_ I am calling myself a newb... that is.. :) |
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| 09:29.52 | t1n0m3n | I am new to debian, but networkmanager is familiar to me (coming from opensuse) |
| 09:30.10 | wols_ | !noob |
| 09:30.11 | dpkg | Dear visitor, please don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. Please don't bother telling us you're not a "newb", "noob" or "n00b" either. We can tell that too, you probably are, if you have to say you are not. |
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| 09:30.25 | robin_sz | so, an X application to view the output of a USB webcam???? |
| 09:30.26 | wols_ | generally, network is configured in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 09:30.26 | t1n0m3n | lol |
| 09:30.30 | wols_ | and that's it |
| 09:30.36 | ma3x | is the 30 fps dvd PAL and the 25 NTSC? |
| 09:30.48 | jetscreamer | no |
| 09:30.49 | valdyn | ma3x: vice versa |
| 09:30.50 | jetscreamer | other way |
| 09:30.52 | robin_sz | ma3x, no |
| 09:31.01 | jetscreamer | 29,97 ntsc |
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| 09:31.23 | t1n0m3n | wols_ my problem is that to use networkmanager, I cannot add to /etc/network/interfaces without breaking it's functionality |
| 09:31.26 | robin_sz | jetscreamer, not always .. there are 60hz PAL countries too |
| 09:31.40 | robin_sz | or were anyway |
| 09:31.57 | wols_ | t1n0m3n: why do you need network-manager in the first place? |
| 09:32.18 | jetscreamer | http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/menc-feat-vcd-dvd.html |
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| 09:32.22 | robin_sz | so, an X application to view the output of a USB webcam???? Im sure I used to use xwtv, but it doesnt seem to be included in debian anymore |
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| 09:32.35 | jetscreamer | xawtv |
| 09:32.38 | valdyn | robin_sz: there's alot of such apps |
| 09:32.40 | robin_sz | ah |
| 09:32.41 | valdyn | robin_sz: tvtime |
| 09:32.49 | t1n0m3n | wols_ very good question, I use it for the wpa stuff... its easy to use |
| 09:32.50 | robin_sz | ta |
| 09:32.56 | ma3x | I just bought a dvd and on the back of the case : DVD9 PAL Format 16/9 but when I play it with mplayer it says ID_VIDEO_FPS=25.000 ID_VIDEO_WIDTH=720 ID_VIDEO_HEIGHT=576 |
| 09:32.57 | jetscreamer | i think xaw is kinda not used though... try mythtv |
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| 09:33.17 | robin_sz | too late .. installing :) |
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| 09:33.22 | jetscreamer | ma3x: learn more about dvd formats |
| 09:33.26 | t1n0m3n | wols_ what would you suggest? I am open to any method really |
| 09:33.29 | jetscreamer | read my link |
| 09:33.44 | valdyn | ma3x: so? that's explicitely telling you 25fps and PAL, why even ask us |
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| 09:34.03 | wols_ | t1n0m3n: configuring WPA via interfaces :P. However if you often switch wireless networks, it might be better to use netwrk-manager |
| 09:35.30 | wols_ | t1n0m3n: btw: why are you in #ubuntu? |
| 09:35.31 | valdyn | t1n0m3n: there's no obvious easily solution, considering netork-managers purpose. You can use a gui tool that exposes advanced functionality or use /etc/network/interfaces or stick to n-m and be bound to use the hack you're using |
| 09:35.31 | t1n0m3n | wols_ I am using ubuntu, I tried getting my answer there for a couple of hours, and switched to here and got my answer in a couple of seconds :) |
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| 09:35.58 | t1n0m3n | wols_ thanks to valdyn :) |
| 09:36.25 | t1n0m3n | actually, I am using kubuntu |
| 09:36.44 | wols_ | t1n0m3n: then go away and don't come back until you use actual debian |
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| 09:37.45 | t1n0m3n | wols_ lol, this is the 5th distro I have installed this weekend... got suggestions? |
| 09:37.57 | jetscreamer | !d-i |
| 09:37.57 | dpkg | Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 09:38.01 | jetscreamer | there ya go |
| 09:38.10 | t1n0m3n | cool |
| 09:38.11 | wols_ | I don't care. just that #debian is the wrong channel for a ubuntu user, that's all |
| 09:38.11 | schme | t1n0m3n: My suggestion is pick one - stick with it. |
| 09:38.25 | cahoot | hear hear |
| 09:38.56 | robin_sz | t1n0m3n, all you need to do now is switch to Debian and you are done ;) |
| 09:38.59 | wols_ | schme: it's normal (and a good thing) for a new Linux user to try lots of different distros to see which one likes best |
| 09:39.19 | t1n0m3n | well, I have been running opensuse for a long time... I just got tired of it's "retardedness" lol I like kubuntu so far :) |
| 09:39.25 | schme | wols_: Ok. I actually skipped that phase myself. |
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| 09:39.46 | alleyoopster | switching is damaging to the community, sticking to one is positive benefit |
| 09:40.12 | valdyn | most distros cant really show their qualities and issues before you use them extensively |
| 09:40.16 | schme | I don't really enjoy installing. I like it installed so I can get work done. |
| 09:40.21 | schme | Ya. |
| 09:40.30 | robin_sz | t1n0m3n, you'll find people get upset with Ubuntu users who piggyback on #debian for answers, its just a thing that happens. |
| 09:40.32 | valdyn | unless people as reviews fall into the same silly usual trap that 'installing' defines the OS |
| 09:40.45 | t1n0m3n | robin_sz: hmm, I like the way debian works so far... |
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| 09:40.59 | robin_sz | t1n0m3n, the support is better ;) |
| 09:41.08 | jetscreamer | note a lot of ubuntu is debian, but not all |
| 09:41.12 | schme | I started off with Slackware as my first linux-distro. After a few years I got tired of some things and switched to Debian. That's all my switching history. |
| 09:41.13 | robin_sz | t1n0m3n, you run debain as well? |
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| 09:41.27 | cast | if i want to put /var and /usr on a lvm volume, can i just install lvm2 and edit fstab or will loonix not know about my LVs without running vgscan first? [says here alot of distros run that automagically so its not an issue] |
| 09:41.29 | schme | When I get tired of stupid things in Debian I'll switch again I suppose. |
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| 09:41.41 | t1n0m3n | robin_sz: I understand, I tried not to use #debian for a couple of hours, but the support in #ubuntu didnt cut it |
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| 09:41.58 | schme | No support is a good reason to switch ;) |
| 09:42.08 | robin_sz | t1n0m3n, quite. try using Debian sometime, you might like it |
| 09:42.30 | cast | schme: the problem is..switch to what? :\ |
| 09:42.42 | schme | Pardon the OT, but that lack of support will probably hit the linux community bad when Dell starts pumping out their ubuntu-boxes. |
| 09:42.50 | t1n0m3n | robin_sz: got a torrent link ? I will d/l it now and try it |
| 09:42.59 | schme | cast: Exactly. :) |
| 09:43.03 | valdyn | cast: that should just work |
| 09:43.25 | t1n0m3n | nm dpkg posted it |
| 09:43.53 | robin_sz | torrent? not that I know of, its only ~100mbm from debian.org if you use a net install CD |
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| 09:44.14 | cast | my biggest problem with debian atm is including non-free code in main :\ [in the kernel image] |
| 09:44.17 | schme | cast: Debian is good for me 'cause I am lazy. I like precompiled packages. And lots of 'em. So I'm stuck.. for now. :) |
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| 09:45.18 | jetscreamer | ah shit |
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| 09:45.32 | jetscreamer | i need to become a certified dell ubuntu support specialist |
| 09:45.56 | schme | That is bizarre those blobs in the kernel. How do they go along with the DFSG ? |
| 09:46.08 | valdyn | schme: they dont? |
| 09:46.19 | schme | So how is putting the kernel in main motivated? |
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| 09:46.28 | valdyn | schme: blobs are removed |
| 09:46.37 | valdyn | schme: certainly used to be removed |
| 09:46.52 | schme | Used to, I am sure. |
| 09:46.54 | perlmonkey | i'm trying to mount a soft raid, and it's asking for me filesystem type, but i can't remember if its ext2 or ext3 :-/ |
| 09:47.11 | valdyn | schme: some drivers still depend on blobs though, so the kernel would technically need to be in contrib, i guess |
| 09:47.24 | jetscreamer | 3 by default |
| 09:47.28 | alleyoopster | t1n0m3n: there is a torrent on http://linuxtracker.org/ if you want |
| 09:47.29 | schme | valdyn: Exactly. |
| 09:47.33 | perlmonkey | oh |
| 09:47.39 | t1n0m3n | robin_sz my main use for linux is the good security tools available. I am trying to become 100% linux, after years of windows enslavement. My job dictates that I be efficient at network/security issues... :) |
| 09:47.40 | valdyn | schme: uh, no, nm, a driver needing a blob doesnt create a dependency |
| 09:47.46 | valdyn | schme: so its ok in main |
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| 09:47.56 | t1n0m3n | alleyoopster thanks |
| 09:48.05 | schme | How is things where source is not available ok in main? |
| 09:48.08 | schme | are too |
| 09:48.10 | valdyn | schme: even programs in main can loose functionality without non-free stuff, thats ok |
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| 09:48.53 | valdyn | schme: mplayer needs non-free codecs for some movies, kernel needs blobs for some drivers, both is legal for main |
| 09:49.13 | schme | The non-free codecs are not in main, are they? |
| 09:49.21 | valdyn | schme: nor are the blobs |
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| 09:49.31 | schme | I believe they are. |
| 09:49.32 | cast | i thought the blobs were? |
| 09:49.59 | valdyn | cast: grep -i firmware /boot/config-2.6.21.1-cfs-v13 |
| 09:50.14 | valdyn | cast: ops |
| 09:50.22 | valdyn | schme: grep -i firmware /boot/config* |
| 09:50.29 | cast | http://wiki.debian.org/KernelFirmwareLicensing i think is the place to go |
| 09:50.30 | perlmonkey | how do I find out what fs type my raid is, when its not mounted? |
| 09:50.52 | valdyn | perlmonkey: you read the hexcode |
| 09:51.04 | robin_sz | perlmonkey, look in /etc/raid.conf or wherever |
| 09:51.08 | valdyn | perlmonkey: or you try one fs after the other |
| 09:51.08 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 09:51.09 | schme | cast: that's the one. |
| 09:51.17 | sobersabre | guys, I am starting to think my NFS server has some hardware problem |
| 09:51.29 | t1n0m3n | .... so there are 3 dvd's I need to download for the installer? |
| 09:51.35 | valdyn | sobersabre: why do you think so? |
| 09:51.40 | valdyn | t1n0m3n: no |
| 09:51.57 | valdyn | t1n0m3n: the first dvd or the first cd or jsut the netinstall are sufficient to install debian |
| 09:52.08 | schme | cast: Not that non-free software is much of an issue to me. It just seems a bit hypocritical. |
| 09:52.10 | wols_ | t1n0m3n: no. only one or the netinstall ISO |
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| 09:52.27 | t1n0m3n | damn! you guys are good... thanks |
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| 09:52.41 | wols_ | schme: it is not. just don't buy shit that needs non free software. your own choice |
| 09:52.52 | valdyn | t1n0m3n: debian inclucdes every software somone is willing to maintain. That doesnt mean that that specific software is used by more than 1 person |
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| 09:53.16 | valdyn | t1n0m3n: ^^ is why its so huge |
| 09:53.26 | perlmonkey | fs type 83 Linux = ext2 ? |
| 09:53.47 | valdyn | perlmonkey: that's a pertition type id, it has no other meaning whatsoever |
| 09:53.52 | perlmonkey | oh |
| 09:54.00 | jetscreamer | no 83 == linux |
| 09:54.06 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
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| 09:54.07 | jetscreamer | what he said |
| 09:54.15 | schme | wols_: Distributing non-free software in main when you say that the whole OS is free sounds bad to me. Ya. |
| 09:54.46 | istree | 83 == ext2 |
| 09:54.54 | schme | Not that I mind non-free software. Half of the time it is a lot better than the free counter parts :) |
| 09:54.59 | wols_ | schme: the software in main IS free |
| 09:55.01 | Sazpaimon | sometimes i open crack exes just to liten to the songs they embed |
| 09:55.01 | valdyn | perlmonkey: why cant you? |
| 09:55.04 | Sazpaimon | is that so wrong |
| 09:55.10 | schme | wols_: So how about the kernel issue? |
| 09:55.24 | perlmonkey | valdyn: I tried ext2 and ext3 the obvious choices but it said wrong fs or bad superblock |
| 09:55.25 | t1n0m3n | what is the default file system that debian uses? |
| 09:55.31 | perlmonkey | i dunno what else to try |
| 09:55.42 | valdyn | perlmonkey: how do you know that there's a filesystem on that device? |
| 09:55.46 | schme | wols_: "We allow inclusion of such firmware into Debian Etch, even if their license |
| 09:55.46 | schme | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:55.48 | schme | ack. |
| 09:55.56 | t1n0m3n | ext3? |
| 09:56.02 | perlmonkey | valdyn: I've been using it, but the raid went down last night due to power outage |
| 09:56.17 | valdyn | perlmonkey: how did you use it? |
| 09:56.37 | valdyn | perlmonkey: you mounted it manually ? you had an entry in /etc/fstab? |
| 09:56.42 | jetscreamer | try auto |
| 09:56.45 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 09:56.46 | wols_ | schme: this issue came up late in the etch testing cycle and if had been fully resolved would delay etch for a long time. which why they said "we will deal with it after release" ie now |
| 09:56.48 | jetscreamer | or does tha twork |
| 09:56.52 | perlmonkey | valdyn: i created linux partitions on each dev and then mkfs on it and then used mdadm to create raid |
| 09:56.52 | wols_ | before lenny this will be resolved |
| 09:57.05 | valdyn | perlmonkey: that's fucked up |
| 09:57.06 | perlmonkey | valdyn: oh, i had entry in /etc/fstab |
| 09:57.15 | schme | wols_: Yes. It still does not change the fact that non-free drivers are in main. |
| 09:57.15 | perlmonkey | valdyn: why :( |
| 09:57.19 | valdyn | perlmonkey: raid ON TOP of an fs? |
| 09:57.30 | perlmonkey | ya |
| 09:57.32 | valdyn | perlmonkey: that's a totally fucked up idea to do |
| 09:57.37 | perlmonkey | damn |
| 09:57.45 | schme | wols_: I don't care about the freedom of software. It just does not go down well with what I thought Debian stood for. :) |
| 09:58.02 | perlmonkey | I hope I can get my data back and then do it properly |
| 09:58.29 | valdyn | perlmonkey: you can try mounting the partitions the filesystem(s) were created on |
| 09:58.42 | valdyn | perlmonkey: _after_ the raid is deactivated |
| 09:59.00 | perlmonkey | ok |
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| 10:00.02 | heroin | anyone know how to start iceweasel? |
| 10:00.14 | valdyn | heroin: uh? |
| 10:00.18 | wols_ | heroin: we do not support ubuntu |
| 10:00.29 | JosefAssad | iceweasel is ubuntu? |
| 10:00.33 | wols_ | valdyn: #ubuntu can't help him so he asks here |
| 10:00.37 | heroin | >.> i just need to start iceweasel.. its not ubuntu only |
| 10:00.40 | wols_ | jetscreamer: he runs ubuntu |
| 10:00.44 | heroin | true |
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| 10:01.14 | heroin | but no one knows how to start the iceweasel web browser? |
| 10:01.17 | schme | heroin: Try /usr/bin/iceweasel |
| 10:01.19 | valdyn | heroin: how the hell are you supposed to use a computer when you cannot answer the question yourself? |
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| 10:01.28 | bungle | I need to program an hcs12 development board - it is there any good software for Linux to do this? currently I am using codewarrior in windows |
| 10:01.35 | sobersabre | please take a look at this: http://rafb.net/p/za2eAC70.html |
| 10:01.44 | sobersabre | valdyn: can you take a look please ? |
| 10:01.48 | JosefAssad | sorry to be harsh, but valdyn is right. I left ubuntu and came back to debian so I didn't have to drown in questions like that |
| 10:02.06 | sobersabre | it's from the NFS server, I think it has somethinh with hardware. |
| 10:02.10 | valdyn | sobersabre: uname -r |
| 10:02.22 | heroin | figured it out.. Iceweasel32// with an I not an i |
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| 10:02.30 | sobersabre | sorry: 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 10:02.35 | sobersabre | latest. |
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| 10:03.03 | sobersabre | the machine is IBM NetVista machine. |
| 10:03.11 | sobersabre | I'm pasting more specs... |
| 10:03.26 | valdyn | sobersabre: reboot, reproduce the issue precisely, ask lkml |
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| 10:04.01 | valdyn | sobersabre: that is, if this isnt due to broken hardware |
| 10:04.04 | cast | JosefAssad: makes it easier to get help don't it. i have much less success getting help for windows problems :\ |
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| 10:04.20 | Kumbi | hey in the default debian install does it include frame buffer |
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| 10:05.18 | sobersabre | valdyn: what can cause this: faulty disk ? |
| 10:05.43 | sobersabre | It should be accompanied with some "seek drive not ready" errors in the syslog ? |
| 10:06.15 | perlmonkey | mdadm -R /dev/md0 == mdadm: failed to run array /dev/md0: Invalid argument |
| 10:06.21 | perlmonkey | how is that an invalid argument eh |
| 10:06.22 | valdyn | sobersabre: no, a drive fault causing an Oops is still a kernel bug |
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| 10:07.34 | valdyn | perlmonkey: mdadm error messages tend to be not that useful ) |
| 10:07.48 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 10:08.08 | valdyn | perlmonkey: '/etc/init.d/mdadm-raid start' ? |
| 10:08.18 | valdyn | perlmonkey: or is it not listed in your /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf ? |
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| 10:08.45 | perlmonkey | i added the failed drives as spares and it says its assembled from 1 drive and 3 spares, but not enough to start the raid :-/ |
| 10:08.56 | perlmonkey | maybe I messed up by adding those drives as spares? |
| 10:09.15 | valdyn | perlmonkey: read 'cat /proc/mdstat' |
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| 10:09.47 | perlmonkey | says: md127 : inactive sdd[0] sdf[6] sde[5] sdc[3] |
| 10:10.06 | sobersabre | valdyn: I've removed an "in use" klm |
| 10:10.10 | sobersabre | sorry, lkm |
| 10:10.17 | sobersabre | the nfsd module |
| 10:10.21 | perlmonkey | this is weird, why the hell has it renamed my raid md127 instead of md0 |
| 10:10.34 | mips | Does the max 4 Primary partition rule apply to non-pc(i386) hardware like Sun, SGI, HP unix workstations |
| 10:10.37 | valdyn | sobersabre: you forced removal of akernel module? |
| 10:10.44 | sobersabre | aye |
| 10:11.01 | valdyn | sobersabre: that raid spans 7 disks? |
| 10:11.16 | sobersabre | I guess this too could've lead..to an ooopsie |
| 10:11.25 | sobersabre | no, it spans only 2 disk. mirror |
| 10:11.27 | chronographer | Hi all. I have a problem with my sound sometimes. i use etch and occasionally mpd will lose its connection (sonata says disconnected) and if I play a movie using vlc it has issues and all other music programs wont work, (xmms, amarok etc.) sometimes if I use alsaconf it fixes it, sometimes a crt;-alt-backspace fixes things, usually I need a reboot. What can I look at to diagnose the problem and any ideas on how to fix it? |
| 10:11.39 | valdyn | sobersabre: mdstat tells different |
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| 10:11.55 | valdyn | sobersabre: you can force remove kernel modules, that's unsupportable |
| 10:12.00 | valdyn | sobersabre: you cant force remove kernel modules, that's unsupportable |
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| 10:12.15 | sobersabre | valdyn: who's mdstat ? :) |
| 10:12.25 | valdyn | sobersabre: sorry, was meant for perlmonkey |
| 10:12.30 | sobersabre | valdyn: I think you're talking about another one's RAID ) |
| 10:12.35 | perlmonkey | thanks |
| 10:12.35 | dpkg | gern geschehen, perlmonkey |
| 10:12.58 | perlmonkey | valdyn: my raid only has 5 disks |
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| 10:13.23 | valdyn | perlmonkey: mdstat sais its 7 |
| 10:13.30 | valdyn | perlmonkey: you must have grown it by mistake? |
| 10:13.37 | chronographer | what logs can I look at to locate audio system errors? if any? |
| 10:13.42 | perlmonkey | im fuked |
| 10:13.57 | valdyn | chronographer: ask your real question |
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| 10:14.06 | chronographer | i did look up =) |
| 10:14.19 | chronographer | my sound dies and I don't know why... |
| 10:14.27 | valdyn | chronographer: 'audio system' encompasses way to many things |
| 10:14.35 | chronographer | it stuffs up a lot of my system, I don't know why? |
| 10:14.40 | valdyn | chronographer: as does 'my sound dies' |
| 10:14.43 | Sazpaimon | hey, anyone here use vm-pop3d? I can't seem to recieve my messages with it |
| 10:15.00 | alleyoopster | chronographer if it loses its connection it is more likely to be mpd problem than alsa |
| 10:15.04 | valdyn | !tell chronographer -about ask |
| 10:15.13 | chronographer | ok ok ... my symptoms are as above.. but xmmx wont work either, nor vlc |
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| 10:15.28 | perlmonkey | mdadm -R /dev/md0 == mdadm: failed to run array /dev/md0: Invalid argument |
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| 10:15.37 | perlmonkey | how is that an invalid argument eh? |
| 10:15.38 | bashelier | hello :) |
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| 10:15.48 | effraie | hello all |
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| 10:16.05 | Sazpaimon | i mean, i can log in just fine, but its telling me i have no mail |
| 10:16.20 | Sazpaimon | yet i checked my /var/spool/virtual dirs and i do have mail in there, what gives? |
| 10:16.23 | chronographer | so i need to get an idea of how to start diagnosing the cause fo my problems |
| 10:16.29 | perlmonkey | just my luck, more f'kin raid problems |
| 10:16.30 | valdyn | chronographer: you have some sound files ready to play with? |
| 10:16.34 | chronographer | yes many |
| 10:16.40 | chronographer | my system usually works |
| 10:16.42 | valdyn | chronographer: ok, open 2 shells |
| 10:16.48 | chronographer | ok |
| 10:16.59 | chronographer | root? |
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| 10:17.21 | valdyn | chronographer: nah, not root |
| 10:17.23 | chronographer | ok |
| 10:17.46 | bashelier | I have a problem while trying to install debian etch on a sparc ultra 2 : the installator (netinst 6mo) can't find the harddrives and ask me to choose a kernel module, but i get the following error with "esp" and "scsi" : "program parted_devices is using a deprecated SCSI ioctl, please convert it to SG_IO" |
| 10:18.06 | valdyn | chronographer: run mpg123 some.mp3 in one, mpg123 other.mp3 in the other |
| 10:18.11 | perlmonkey | woah, sparc ultra II hw |
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| 10:18.16 | chronographer | ok hold on |
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| 10:18.52 | bashelier | the installator first tried by himmself to load 'esp' |
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| 10:19.32 | xand | perlmonkey: hey, I have an ultra 1! |
| 10:19.35 | valdyn | bashelier: that message is not an error, you can ignore it |
| 10:19.40 | perlmonkey | xand woah |
| 10:19.54 | bashelier | valdyn: ok, but it still can't find the disks |
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| 10:21.10 | chronographer | ok i didn't have mpg123, so got it and it installed oss-compat also.... here goes the test |
| 10:21.20 | gahan | whenever i restart apache (1.3.x) i get few lines of messages like that in error.log: [error] mod_mime_magic: type search/400\t\\\\input\t\ttext/x-tex invalid, is there a fix for it? |
| 10:21.35 | ma3x | who was having problem with the sis900 driver? |
| 10:21.56 | valdyn | chronographer: ok, you could use whatever program to play sounds, just has to play a while.. It just has to be cli tools so i can read the errors |
| 10:22.22 | DawnLight | good morning |
| 10:22.23 | wols_ | ma3x: jetscreamer did |
| 10:22.50 | ma3x | I just got a reply from the person who develops the driver |
| 10:22.58 | chronographer | [../../../src/audio.c:264] error: No supported rate found! |
| 10:23.08 | ma3x | You can comment that printk in the sis900.c driver and gain some performance and not flood your logs. As for the causes of the error, Â TX and RX errors are just that, corrupted packets. You either have faulty or custom hardware or interferences on the cable. I can't patch anything to help you there. |
| 10:23.20 | valdyn | chronographer: is it playing in one? |
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| 10:23.42 | chronographer | yes |
| 10:23.51 | valdyn | chronographer: and the other? |
| 10:24.04 | chronographer | wont play in the other |
| 10:24.06 | ma3x | jetscreamer there? |
| 10:24.10 | chronographer | with error above |
| 10:24.15 | valdyn | chronographer: ok, that should be your issue, or one of them |
| 10:24.33 | valdyn | chronographer: try the same, just with mpg123 -o alsa09 some.mp3 / mpg123 -o alsa09 other.mp3 |
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| 10:24.39 | chronographer | i may have changed audio driver to oss earlier... would that stop multiple files at same time? |
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| 10:25.05 | valdyn | chronographer: yes, if that even was ever active |
| 10:25.44 | chronographer | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:26.14 | bashelier | xand: and do you know which kernel mod are you using for your disks ? (lsmod) |
| 10:26.28 | valdyn | chronographer: ops, install mpg321 instead, im not familiar with the real mpg123 |
| 10:26.34 | ma3x | how can I compile only the sis900 driver and replace the current .ko module? |
| 10:26.37 | chronographer | =) |
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| 10:26.47 | valdyn | chronographer: both provide mpg123 |
| 10:27.03 | ma3x | kernel.org doesn't work???? |
| 10:27.08 | jelly-home | I want some too! -- kernel: possible SYN flooding on port 8080. Sending cookies. |
| 10:27.17 | chronographer | ok |
| 10:27.51 | chronographer | now both work |
| 10:27.55 | perlmonkey | mdadm: failed to run array /dev/md0: Input/output error |
| 10:28.05 | valdyn | chronographer: ok |
| 10:28.08 | chronographer | with mpg321 this.mp3 |
| 10:28.21 | valdyn | chronographer: try with -o alsa09 |
| 10:28.23 | chronographer | ok |
| 10:28.33 | perlmonkey | md0 : inactive sdd[0] sdb[4](S) sdc[3](S) sde[5](S) sdf[6](S) |
| 10:28.34 | valdyn | chronographer: it may default to alsa, but i cant tell you how to verify that |
| 10:28.56 | chronographer | they both work again |
| 10:29.01 | valdyn | chronographer: ok, fine |
| 10:29.29 | valdyn | chronographer: start a few, to see if it supports enough streams at a time that it is sufficiecnt for you |
| 10:29.36 | chronographer | ok |
| 10:29.37 | valdyn | chronographer: i guess 4 suffices for most.. |
| 10:30.17 | chronographer | all cranking |
| 10:30.25 | chronographer | 1 video mpd and 2 mpg321 |
| 10:30.36 | valdyn | chronographer: ok - if that's sufficient for you - fine |
| 10:30.47 | valdyn | chronographer: now you just need to set all your sound tools to use alsa, not oss |
| 10:31.04 | valdyn | chronographer: no idea what mpd defaults to |
| 10:31.31 | valdyn | chronographer: but if you run xmms while mpd is on old, and xmms uses oss by default, itll break mpd as soon as it tries to play back sound |
| 10:31.39 | valdyn | s/old/hold/ |
| 10:31.45 | aldin | anyone could help me with mysql? i have user guest and database called guestdb, how can i give all rights on table guestdb to user guest, without giving him rights to see or to use any other databases and tables outside guestdb? |
| 10:31.49 | chronographer | oh? |
| 10:32.07 | chronographer | so using oss with 2 things will break it? |
| 10:32.37 | valdyn | chronographer: one single app using the oss emulation layer for playback may break all other alsa-using apps playing back at the same time |
| 10:32.47 | chronographer | oh i see! |
| 10:32.59 | chronographer | so I should check md doesn't use oss |
| 10:33.03 | chronographer | *mpd |
| 10:33.05 | ma3x | get me a kernel.org mirror site |
| 10:33.08 | valdyn | chronographer: yep |
| 10:33.13 | aldin | btw sorry guys for offtpic |
| 10:33.14 | chronographer | which it probably wont be seing as it is runnign fine now |
| 10:33.39 | wols_ | aldin: #mysql |
| 10:33.53 | aldin | wols_: ok |
| 10:34.04 | chronographer | thanks |
| 10:34.05 | dpkg | no worries, chronographer |
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| 10:34.48 | chronographer | I will check back in if things go funny again... this problem near turned me to ubuntu =) |
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| 10:36.26 | valdyn | chronographer: i would blacklist all snd-*-oss modules in order to avoid oss apps fucking with my sound. But then again this could break certain games that can only use oss |
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| 10:36.58 | jetscreamer | no i said i apparently had an issue with the debian implementation of kernel source in 2.6.21, also stock images |
| 10:37.20 | jetscreamer | which i thought might be sis900 or jfs |
| 10:37.22 | chronographer | ok |
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| 10:37.57 | jetscreamer | and obviously since it works with all other kernels, including kernel.org 2.6.21-3, must be the debian part |
| 10:38.00 | cahoot | ma3x: the generic format is http://ftp.xx.kernel.org/ - where xx is a placeholder for your country code |
| 10:38.12 | jetscreamer | all other kernels meaning all other debian kernels |
| 10:38.21 | cast | wow. dudes. online resizing is the coolest thing EVER |
| 10:38.28 | ma3x | cahoot, how do I compile only 1 module from the source tree? |
| 10:38.31 | ma3x | what do I type? |
| 10:38.35 | valdyn | cast: mind, you cant shrink xfs =/ |
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| 10:38.51 | ribasushi | hi |
| 10:39.11 | cast | i take it there is no FS that allows online shrinking/growing? |
| 10:39.12 | ribasushi | where do I find the "minimum debconf message priority" setting? |
| 10:39.38 | chemaja1 | cast, EVMS/LVM? |
| 10:39.40 | ribasushi | cast: many allow growing, but shrinking is too complicated for the little benefit it gives |
| 10:39.48 | ma3x | how do I compile file.c? |
| 10:40.10 | ribasushi | chemaja1: LVM is not a fs |
| 10:40.13 | cast | chemaja1: ja, just got LVM2/XFS working |
| 10:40.14 | valdyn | ma3x: from the kernel source tree? |
| 10:40.20 | chemaja1 | ribasushi, i know |
| 10:40.32 | ma3x | valdyn, linux-2.6.21/drivers/net/sis900.c |
| 10:40.35 | chronographer | valdyn: how can I discover which program may have used oss and crashed alsa if it happens in the future? |
| 10:40.42 | cahoot | ribasushi: tried dpkg-reconfigure debconf ? |
| 10:40.43 | valdyn | ma3x: you cant 'compile a c file' |
| 10:40.45 | ma3x | valdyn, what do I type... etc? |
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| 10:40.54 | ma3x | valdyn, what do you do to it? |
| 10:41.00 | valdyn | ma3x: you can compile a kernel module, what's its name? sis900.ko ? |
| 10:41.05 | ma3x | valdyn, yes |
| 10:41.09 | ma3x | how do I compile it? |
| 10:41.13 | ribasushi | cahoot: brilliant |
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| 10:41.16 | valdyn | ma3x: 'make help' and read |
| 10:41.17 | ribasushi | cahoot: ta |
| 10:41.19 | ma3x | I need the sis900.c , no? |
| 10:41.19 | chemaja1 | cast, cool, so doesn't LVM allow effective resizing even through the file system may not support native resizing? i may be wrong. |
| 10:41.47 | Kevin` | chemaja1 no. |
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| 10:41.50 | chemaja1 | bummer |
| 10:41.57 | chemaja1 | i suppose that makes sense tho |
| 10:42.06 | Kevin` | what filesystem are you using that you can't resize? |
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| 10:42.16 | wols_ | chemaja1: you need to resize the LVM and the fs for resizing to work |
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| 10:42.25 | valdyn | ma3x: sis900.c may be the main source file the the driver, its still only a PART of it, pointless to just compile that file |
| 10:42.26 | wols_ | otherwise you just put a small filesystem inside a big partition |
| 10:42.31 | chemaja1 | wols_, yea, makes sense. damn grand delusions about LVM |
| 10:42.39 | ribasushi | chemaja1: lvm just presents a block device to the user, if the filesystem on top of it can not be resized, you are looking roughly at the same situation as dd'ing a smaller hdd to a larger one |
| 10:42.43 | ma3x | valdyn, I got sis900.c and sis900.h |
| 10:42.48 | ma3x | how do I compile the sis900.ko/ |
| 10:42.54 | valdyn | ma3x: fucking READ |
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| 10:43.00 | valdyn | ma3x: 'make help' |
| 10:43.15 | ma3x | it says nothing |
| 10:43.19 | ma3x | make: *** No rule to make target `help'. Stop. |
| 10:43.41 | ribasushi | chemaja1: this is why I commented that lvm is not a fs - it is merely a virtual block device just like all the MDs |
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| 10:44.56 | chemaja1 | ribasushi, woe is me |
| 10:45.05 | wols_ | valdyn: ma3x is unable to read or think. you should know that by now. either pre-chew or don't bother |
| 10:45.40 | ma3x | wols_, wtf is the matter with you |
| 10:45.44 | ma3x | he told me 'make help' |
| 10:45.49 | ma3x | what is that for a suggestion |
| 10:45.54 | ma3x | should I type that in the shell or what? |
| 10:46.00 | ma3x | I msged dpkg, nothing |
| 10:46.15 | ma3x | I typed it at the shell, I told him make: *** No rule to make target `help'. Stop. |
| 10:46.21 | valdyn | ma3x: in the top directory of your kernel source tree, not in the driver directory |
| 10:46.21 | ma3x | so wtf is your problem |
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| 10:46.59 | perlmonkey | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:47.13 | ma3x | valdyn, so why don't you say so |
| 10:47.18 | ma3x | how would I know that |
| 10:47.20 | mazzanet | perlmonkey: does /dev/md0 exist? |
| 10:47.20 | jimmy_ | hello, I have a problem with debian etch 4.0 and gnome. sometimes, sound doesn't work. could you please help me? |
| 10:47.46 | mazzanet | and is it a valid array? |
| 10:47.46 | wols_ | !tell jimmy_ about ask |
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| 10:48.00 | perlmonkey | mazzanet: cat /proc/mdstat == md0 : inactive sdd[0] sdf[6] sde[5] sdc[3] sdb[4] |
| 10:48.28 | ribasushi | perlmonkey: got backups? :) |
| 10:48.29 | jimmy_ | wols_: ok, but..I have 2.6.18-4-686 kernel |
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| 10:48.33 | perlmonkey | nope :( |
| 10:48.38 | Kevin` | perlmonkey mdadm -D /dev/md0 |
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| 10:48.44 | jimmy_ | wols_: and default installation. I am using alsa drivers |
| 10:48.52 | perlmonkey | mazzanet: mdadm -R /dev/md0 == mdadm: failed to run array /dev/md0: Input/output error |
| 10:49.17 | perlmonkey | Kevin: thanks |
| 10:49.20 | jimmy_ | and run alsaconf, it detected my sound card, but it doesn't correct my problem |
| 10:49.20 | Kevin` | perlmonkey there's probably messages in dmesg that would explain the situation |
| 10:49.26 | gulars | http://apirateisfree.com/ |
| 10:49.33 | Kevin` | -D does pretty well too |
| 10:49.53 | Kevin` | why were you doing -r |
| 10:49.55 | Kevin` | ? |
| 10:49.55 | perlmonkey | detail shows 2 disks were removed, the raid is down to 1 disk, and 4 disks have been added as spares |
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| 10:50.09 | perlmonkey | i wanted to try and remove the disks added as spares |
| 10:50.17 | Kevin` | which raid level is this? |
| 10:50.18 | perlmonkey | to re-add them |
| 10:50.21 | perlmonkey | raid-5 |
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| 10:51.01 | Kevin` | well that should have worked, but what you want to do is force the raid superblock back into a "I think everything is good" |
| 10:51.04 | Kevin` | configuration |
| 10:51.10 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 10:51.14 | Kevin` | since you can't normally recover with one drive |
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| 10:51.20 | Kevin` | you will have to cheat and pick some to mark as good |
| 10:51.21 | perlmonkey | that would be mdadm --assemble -force ? |
| 10:51.38 | anapivirtua | Hi world |
| 10:51.40 | Kevin` | i've never had to do this, I can do some playing if you want |
| 10:51.47 | perlmonkey | ok cool |
| 10:52.21 | perlmonkey | Kevin: this array was working fine until last night when something caused the server to reboot, possibly power loss |
| 10:52.35 | Kevin` | you might want to run a smart check on all the drives |
| 10:52.36 | perlmonkey | then the array failed to come back up as 2 drives were removed |
| 10:52.42 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 10:52.53 | Kevin` | how many drives does the array normally have |
| 10:52.59 | mazzanet | why were 2 removed? |
| 10:53.01 | perlmonkey | normally has 5 |
| 10:53.24 | perlmonkey | mazzanet: they werent physically removed, the raid removed them for some reason |
| 10:53.47 | mazzanet | curious |
| 10:53.53 | perlmonkey | ya |
| 10:54.13 | ribasushi | perlmonkey: before doing this take snapshots of the physical drives |
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| 10:54.22 | perlmonkey | im now showing 1 active drive, and 4 spare out of 5 working |
| 10:54.23 | ribasushi | perlmonkey: you might shoot yourself in the foot if you do something wrong |
| 10:54.39 | perlmonkey | so i guess having the drives added back as spares is causing the raid not to be reconstructed |
| 10:54.53 | gonzaloaf | hello, why when I open a text file with gnome text editor I see the correct characters for utf-8 but not with kate? |
| 10:55.05 | perlmonkey | ribasushi: good idea |
| 10:55.13 | Kevin` | perlmonkey having only one drive active is causing it not to work :) |
| 10:55.35 | perlmonkey | Kevin: ya, but that I/O error doesnt look too clever either eh |
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| 10:55.45 | mazzanet | tried just plain rebooting to see what happens |
| 10:55.46 | mazzanet | ? |
| 10:56.00 | Kevin` | perlmonkey that's probably just because it doesn't have enough drives to start |
| 10:56.01 | perlmonkey | yeah i tried booting a few times, but no change |
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| 10:56.15 | Kevin` | let me play around with it here and i'll see if I can get it working |
| 10:56.19 | perlmonkey | i wish i had no added the drives back as spares, i think thats where i went wrong |
| 10:56.26 | perlmonkey | i should of left alone and let mdadm do its thing |
| 10:56.37 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 10:56.45 | mazzanet | that's assuming it would do anything at all |
| 10:56.50 | perlmonkey | true |
| 10:57.17 | mazzanet | though i must admit i have no experience with raid5 |
| 10:57.20 | Kevin` | # mdadm -C /dev/md1 -a md -l 5 -n 5 /dev/loop0 /dev/loop1 /dev/loop2 /dev/loop3 /dev/loop4 |
| 10:57.20 | Kevin` | mdadm: array /dev/md1 started. |
| 10:57.26 | Kevin` | now to break things :) |
| 10:57.33 | mazzanet | only raid1 |
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| 10:57.35 | perlmonkey | well the good thing is this is a fairly new raid, so theres minimal data on it, much less than one drive at any rate |
| 10:57.48 | perlmonkey | so the chances of restoring or getting data back are good |
| 10:57.49 | Kevin` | minimal important data? |
| 10:58.03 | perlmonkey | i got some important files i would like back :-/ |
| 10:58.08 | Kevin` | you will likely either get all data back, or none |
| 10:58.13 | Kevin` | let me play :) |
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| 10:58.24 | magic_pinguim | Hello :) |
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| 10:58.34 | mazzanet | to the degree where i created a new array and moved my / partition onto it with only 1 reboot and 2 drives... |
| 10:58.34 | Swat2 | Is there a more stable FTP server than Proftpd? takes like 10 tries to connect to it without getting disconnected with "Connection Reset by Peer(10054)".. should i use a different FTP Server? |
| 10:58.46 | Kevin` | yay 40mb raid5 array |
| 10:58.53 | perlmonkey | :D |
| 10:58.54 | mazzanet | Kevin`: haha nice |
| 10:59.42 | cast | Swat2: vsftpd! |
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| 11:00.00 | Swat2 | whats wu-ftp like? |
| 11:00.17 | perlmonkey | I been using proftpd for many many years, never had any probs with it |
| 11:00.23 | perlmonkey | but then i dont have much load on it |
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| 11:00.59 | mazzanet | which reminds me, i have an unformatted 80gb partition leftover from that to play with |
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| 11:02.18 | mazzanet | haha i actualy do have that |
| 11:02.29 | mazzanet | my server has 600gb worth of storage space |
| 11:02.43 | mazzanet | and on one of the drives is an empty 80gb partition |
| 11:03.06 | perlmonkey | 80gb exceeds the total size of my raid :P |
| 11:03.11 | mazzanet | hmm what to do with it. |
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| 11:04.12 | wfq | hi |
| 11:04.30 | mazzanet | ass monkey |
| 11:04.37 | perlmonkey | mazzanet: install mythtv and fill it up with HD video in 5 mins |
| 11:04.39 | mazzanet | i mkreiserfs'd the wrong partition |
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| 11:04.47 | perlmonkey | haha ass monkey |
| 11:04.51 | mazzanet | oh well |
| 11:04.52 | perlmonkey | oh bugger |
| 11:04.54 | ma3x | I tried to compile sis900 I got the following errors. what should I do? http://pastebin.ca/513672 |
| 11:04.55 | perlmonkey | u lost much? |
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| 11:05.07 | mazzanet | *watches mdadm rebuild an array* |
| 11:05.27 | Kevin` | perlmonkey md1 : active raid5 loop0[0] |
| 11:05.27 | Kevin` | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:05.32 | Kevin` | now to see if I can fix it :) |
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| 11:05.35 | perlmonkey | phew |
| 11:05.43 | perlmonkey | down to 1 drive |
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| 11:07.28 | perlmonkey | I'm sure I was able to restore my raid ages ago from 1 drive, its ok as long as you dont have much data on it and the superblock is intact |
| 11:07.38 | wfq | does anyone have a good exim tutorial? I have seen the oficial guide but it is too long. |
| 11:07.39 | Kevin` | perlmonkey |
| 11:07.40 | Kevin` | http://pastebin.ca/513678 |
| 11:07.42 | perlmonkey | ya? |
| 11:07.46 | Kevin` | that was.. suprizingly easy |
| 11:08.10 | perlmonkey | phew |
| 11:08.13 | Kevin` | bart ~ # mount /dev/md1 /mnt/mnt1 |
| 11:08.13 | Kevin` | bart ~ # cat /mnt/mnt1/importantfile |
| 11:08.13 | Kevin` | importantdata |
| 11:08.36 | perlmonkey | I must be doing something wrong somewhere |
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| 11:09.12 | perlmonkey | Kevin: http://pastebin.ca/513681 |
| 11:09.17 | perlmonkey | thats how my raid looks now |
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| 11:09.53 | Kevin` | perlmonkey mdadm -S /dev/md0 |
| 11:09.58 | gonzaloaf | hello, why when I open a text file with gnome text editor I see the correct characters for utf-8 but not with kate? |
| 11:10.03 | Kevin` | then try reactivating, and force, with all drives |
| 11:10.08 | Kevin` | OR |
| 11:10.15 | Kevin` | the drives you know haven't physically failed.. |
| 11:10.21 | perlmonkey | mdadm: stopped /dev/md0 |
| 11:10.37 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 11:11.30 | perlmonkey | mdadm: /dev/md0 assembled from 1 drive and 4 spares - not enough to start the array. |
| 11:11.36 | perlmonkey | arrrgh |
| 11:11.58 | ma3x | /bin/sh: .tmp_versions/sis900.mod: No such file or directory |
| 11:12.03 | ma3x | why can't I build that from source? |
| 11:12.17 | Kevin` | I removed all drives from my array except the "good" one before I assembled it |
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| 11:12.30 | perlmonkey | I think I need to do that |
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| 11:13.01 | perlmonkey | how do you remove a drive that's been added as a spare tho? should I fail it |
| 11:13.05 | perlmonkey | it wont remove |
| 11:14.07 | Swat2 | anyone able to recommend a FTP Client for X that supports SSL? |
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| 11:14.17 | perlmonkey | I can't start the array cuz its down to 1 drive, and i can't remove drives from it, cuz it's not running! |
| 11:14.20 | perlmonkey | i'm stuck |
| 11:14.43 | perlmonkey | checkmate |
| 11:15.28 | Kevin` | moment |
| 11:15.40 | Kevin` | http://rafb.net/p/gzkD5089.html |
| 11:15.54 | nocti | can anyone check if multiply.com is reachable? i cant reach it for a few hours now. thanks. |
| 11:16.04 | perlmonkey | woah |
| 11:16.16 | perlmonkey | Kevin: phew, I will try that thanks |
| 11:16.26 | Kevin` | of course, don't set them faulty :) |
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| 11:16.38 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 11:16.39 | petemc | nocti: works here |
| 11:16.46 | wols_ | nocti: it is |
| 11:16.47 | nocti | petemc, tnx |
| 11:16.53 | nocti | wols_, tnx |
| 11:17.13 | Kevin` | perlmonkey if you can't get it to work by stopping it then those two commands, show your exact setup and i'll try to copy it |
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| 11:17.33 | perlmonkey | Kevin: damnit, -f didn't work: mdadm: /dev/md0 assembled from 1 drive and 4 spares - not enough to start the array. |
| 11:17.38 | perlmonkey | :-/ im screwed? |
| 11:18.02 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 11:18.20 | perlmonkey | I think it's the spares thing eh, i need to change the status of those drives or remove them first |
| 11:18.41 | gonzaloaf | how can I find out the frequency of my RAM installed? |
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| 11:19.43 | perlmonkey | gonzaloaf: hwinfo may help? |
| 11:19.45 | Kevin` | perlmonkey ok, I have all of mine as "spare" now, i'll see what happens |
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| 11:20.00 | wols_ | gonzaloaf: dmidecode. what CPU do you have? |
| 11:20.13 | gonzaloaf | wols_, intel p4 |
| 11:20.18 | Kevin` | perlmonkey mdadm -E /dev/sdd |
| 11:20.19 | perlmonkey | Kevin: ok |
| 11:20.22 | wols_ | gonzaloaf: a bit more specific |
| 11:20.25 | Kevin` | (pastebin) |
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| 11:20.42 | gonzaloaf | wols_, intel p4 3.0 ghz HT |
| 11:20.53 | Kevin` | perlmonkey actually, do that for all the drives if you can |
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| 11:21.17 | gonzaloaf | wols_, I want to buy one more memory bank but I dont remember if I was using the 2700 or 3200 ones |
| 11:21.19 | HostilePenguin | pc 3200? |
| 11:21.27 | perlmonkey | Kevin: http://pastebin.ca/513691 |
| 11:21.33 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 11:21.37 | wols_ | gonzaloaf: 3200. besides. a 3200 will work fine in 2700 |
| 11:21.39 | wfq | does anyone know some quick getting started guide for exim4? |
| 11:21.41 | gonzaloaf | HostilePenguin, how to be sure of that without opening my box? |
| 11:21.53 | Kevin` | it continues to work for me, even if the drives were removed then readded as spares |
| 11:22.02 | gonzaloaf | wols_, can I mix them? whats the con? |
| 11:22.04 | perlmonkey | phew |
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| 11:22.12 | perlmonkey | something must be messed up then with my drives |
| 11:22.21 | Kevin` | do run a physical check on them.. |
| 11:22.28 | wols_ | gonzaloaf: it only works at the lowest speed. so the lowest speed grade ram decides the overall speed. |
| 11:22.32 | HostilePenguin | what ever it is its runnint at 3200 so its 3200 |
| 11:22.48 | wols_ | but 3200 is the same price as 2700 so it's moot. buy 3200. you probably van't even get 3200 anymore |
| 11:22.50 | HostilePenguin | ive had my mushkin 2700 oc to 3200 for years |
| 11:22.51 | gonzaloaf | wols_, oh ok |
| 11:22.54 | wols_ | erm, can't get 2700 any more |
| 11:23.10 | Kevin` | perlmonkey form the looks of it the array didn't go down synchronously like mine is, that drive thinks it's all good. hmm |
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| 11:23.19 | gonzaloaf | thanks |
| 11:23.30 | samesame | whos the geekiest geek in this room? |
| 11:23.36 | robin_sz | me |
| 11:23.45 | HostilePenguin | hes not here right now |
| 11:23.45 | gonzaloaf | there are few 2700 banks but they are expensive |
| 11:23.47 | robin_sz | now, thats settled, lets move on |
| 11:23.47 | wols_ | HostilePenguin: how do you know it is running at that speed? shitty cheapo oem boxes might have a lower speed RAM easily to save 5 cent |
| 11:23.59 | perlmonkey | Kevin: ya, all the drives look the same |
| 11:24.09 | Kevin` | all the drives are the same? |
| 11:24.18 | Kevin` | ok, that's good I suppose. they should be |
| 11:24.23 | perlmonkey | yes |
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| 11:24.36 | HostilePenguin | what is the fsb of a 3.0 p4 |
| 11:24.53 | gonzaloaf | HostilePenguin, I think 400Mhz |
| 11:24.56 | robin_sz | HostilePenguin, its the primary connection to the memory |
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| 11:25.49 | wols_ | HostilePenguin: intell sells it at 800MHz FSB. however the chipset doesn't need to have that speed even if it's best for the CPU |
| 11:25.55 | wols_ | you can run dividers |
| 11:25.56 | perlmonkey | Kevin: fsck on /dev/sdc shows bad magic number in superblock |
| 11:26.19 | HostilePenguin | in sync in bios is best |
| 11:26.21 | Kevin` | perlmonkey you can't fsck directly on a drive in raid5 |
| 11:26.28 | perlmonkey | oh |
| 11:26.40 | wols_ | HostilePenguin: best doesn't mean it must be used. 3:4 is always a possibilit |
| 11:26.41 | wols_ | y |
| 11:26.57 | perlmonkey | Kevin: how can we check/test fs integrity? |
| 11:27.05 | Kevin` | perlmonkey get the array working ;) |
| 11:27.12 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 11:27.14 | wols_ | perlmonkey: fsck |
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| 11:27.41 | HeidrunVmitX | hello |
| 11:27.51 | perlmonkey | im out of options |
| 11:28.14 | Kevin` | I can't seem it get it to NOT work for me |
| 11:28.15 | Kevin` | :/ |
| 11:28.20 | robin_sz | perlmonkey, there is one more option |
| 11:28.24 | perlmonkey | i dunno what's wrong then here |
| 11:28.37 | robin_sz | perlmonkey, actually, there are TWO options |
| 11:28.49 | Kevin` | there is indeed one more option, you could modify the superblocks on the devices to say everythign is ok, and in the proper state |
| 11:28.59 | HeidrunVmitX | is there a small player for mp3 etc.. that runs from commandline |
| 11:29.01 | RvGaTe | How can i check wich program/app uses all my swap ? (my swap is up to 80%, but my mem is like 5%) |
| 11:29.03 | perlmonkey | phew |
| 11:29.04 | robin_sz | thats a THIRD option then |
| 11:29.21 | Kevin` | hmm let me try something |
| 11:29.21 | flyinprogramer | hey, i got a problem |
| 11:29.22 | HostilePenguin | top? |
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| 11:29.34 | robin_sz | perlmonkey, the first and obvious option is to simply restore from backups |
| 11:29.42 | perlmonkey | i have no backups |
| 11:30.00 | robin_sz | then just format the drive, the data can't be important anyway |
| 11:30.16 | robin_sz | the second option, suprisingly, is to format the array |
| 11:30.21 | _mauser_ | HeidrunVmitX: try mpg123 |
| 11:30.22 | robin_sz | this is not as crazy as it sounds |
| 11:30.31 | flyinprogramer | you know with mysql and debian, debian creates that administrative user for the system.... well... i accidentially changed the password of that account, and how mysqladmin can gain access to my database, anyone know what to do/? |
| 11:30.32 | HeidrunVmitX | thanx!! |
| 11:30.35 | perlmonkey | i want to restore it rather than start over, i also want to get to the bottom of how/why this happened, and what to do in future |
| 11:30.40 | robin_sz | I presume this is software RAID, right? |
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| 11:30.53 | wols_ | RvGaTe: swap is a pool dnamically allocated. which ever program needs memory gets it and and it's constantly in flux. you can check what program usess approx how much memory tho |
| 11:30.53 | perlmonkey | ya |
| 11:31.26 | robin_sz | so, first backup the drives as they stand with dd ... a byte for byte copy |
| 11:31.40 | perlmonkey | that could be tricky since I have nowhere to backup to |
| 11:31.44 | robin_sz | or is it dump .. I forget |
| 11:31.52 | Kevin` | perlmonkey here's another ugly option that should work: only do this if you know the exact command you used to create the array |
| 11:31.55 | RvGaTe | wols_, the thing is, there is no program that uses much mem, but still my swap is filled... in my experience, the swap will mostly start filling when you're out of mem... |
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| 11:32.02 | Kevin` | perlmonkey http://pastebin.ca/513704 |
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| 11:32.16 | valdyn | RvGaTe: not really |
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| 11:32.19 | perlmonkey | Kevin: oo |
| 11:32.29 | robin_sz | then, reformat the array, if it is EXACTLY the same drives in the same order and exactly the same raid.conf, it will simply re-write the superblocks ... |
| 11:32.40 | RvGaTe | valdyn, "in my experience :P" |
| 11:32.44 | perlmonkey | oh |
| 11:32.46 | Kevin` | (which is what I just did) |
| 11:32.59 | wols_ | RvGaTe: depends on swappiness set |
| 11:33.10 | robin_sz | you get a warning about it destroying your data, it wont. if its in exactly the same order of drives and raid.conf |
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| 11:33.18 | perlmonkey | I will try it |
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| 11:33.25 | valdyn | RvGaTe: swap gets used when the heuristics of the kernel 'think' that the OS will profit from swapping out. Doing large copy operations already can do that |
| 11:33.37 | wfq | by the way, I have got installed debian in my laptop. Yesterday, my battery was gone so it switched of. When I tried to start again, grub came up as ever but now I just can see the windows entry. |
| 11:33.42 | robin_sz | perlmonkey, I honestly have recovered an array more than once that way, but |
| 11:33.54 | RvGaTe | wols_, is it possible to see wich program uses all the swap? becouse this is just unusual, especially with only chat, skype, gaim and an editor open... |
| 11:33.54 | robin_sz | perlmonkey, if it dies, don't come crying to me |
| 11:34.01 | HeidrunVmitX | if i should add sid repos, must i deactivate my stable repos? |
| 11:34.03 | perlmonkey | ok, i accept theres a risk |
| 11:34.18 | valdyn | RvGaTe: its hard, memory usage cant be tracked nicely in linux |
| 11:34.25 | Kevin` | perlmonkey don't forget the assume-clean option, or it will resync the array, which would normally be correct but in this case would be rather bad |
| 11:34.27 | wols_ | RvGaTe: I told you it wouldn't make sense |
| 11:34.28 | robin_sz | perlmonkey, just make absolutely certian its exactly the same as it was when you built it |
| 11:34.38 | robin_sz | perlmonkey, you'll have to use the --force option |
| 11:34.50 | robin_sz | then read the warning, then go ahead anyway |
| 11:34.56 | perlmonkey | I haven't changed anything, except I did make a change in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf |
| 11:34.57 | wols_ | RvGaTe: paste the output of free in a pastebin please |
| 11:34.57 | wfq | I think if I use my debian live cd I can revover the whole grub but I can't remember what I have to do. When I used lilo, it was just execute chroot and lilo |
| 11:35.00 | wfq | what about grub? |
| 11:35.16 | wols_ | wfq: same |
| 11:35.28 | robin_sz | perlmonkey, I'd duggest putting it back |
| 11:35.32 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 11:35.33 | wols_ | well, grub-install that is |
| 11:35.41 | robin_sz | perlmonkey, just in case |
| 11:35.45 | Kevin` | i'd suggest renaming mdadm.conf to something else so it doesn't do anything automatically |
| 11:35.50 | RvGaTe | wols_, http://pastebin.co.uk/15543 |
| 11:35.51 | valdyn | RvGaTe: reading the top output, swapped out is virtual-shared-virtual_that_is_caused_just_by_mmap |
| 11:36.07 | hardcoffee | hi all, i would like to have more than 1 son playing at same time ( exemple: warcraft + amarok :) plz if someone have a tuto (in french that will be great) |
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| 11:37.13 | valdyn | RvGaTe: reading the top output, swapped out is virtual-resident-virtual_that_is_caused_just_by_mmap or somesuch |
| 11:37.13 | robin_sz | perlmonkey, so you'll be doing the mkraid thing, not the fdisk thing |
| 11:37.13 | perlmonkey | Kevin: can it construct without mdadm.conf? |
| 11:37.13 | valdyn | RvGaTe: impossible to track without precise knowledge of program internals |
| 11:37.13 | Kevin` | perlmonkey of course |
| 11:37.14 | perlmonkey | ok cool thanks |
| 11:37.14 | Kevin` | for my testing, and normal use, I don't even have mdadm.conf |
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| 11:37.14 | perlmonkey | phew |
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| 11:37.15 | HostilePenguin | warcraft is using oss right? |
| 11:37.23 | wfq | wols, so when you write grub, you get its console. Inside console you have to execute something, haven't you? |
| 11:37.23 | Kevin` | robin_sz you are using mkraid and related tools instead of mdadm? |
| 11:37.24 | wols_ | RvGaTe: 1GB swap used?? |
| 11:37.31 | valdyn | HostilePenguin: warcraft is a linux program? |
| 11:37.35 | RvGaTe | wols_, exactly |
| 11:37.45 | wols_ | wfq: no. man grub-install |
| 11:37.48 | robin_sz | perlmonkey, back in kernel 2.2 days, there was a bug that on 3 seperate occasions destroyed my ext3fs formatted raid array, I did mkraid, and got it back 3 times ... on a live server, |
| 11:37.54 | wfq | ah yes |
| 11:37.55 | robin_sz | Kevin`, yes, I was ... |
| 11:37.55 | wfq | thanks |
| 11:38.01 | wfq | i got it |
| 11:38.03 | Kevin` | any reason why? |
| 11:38.11 | wols_ | RvGaTe: output of "ps aux" please |
| 11:38.13 | robin_sz | Kevin`, this was some time ago |
| 11:38.17 | Kevin` | ah |
| 11:38.22 | HostilePenguin | i was asking hardcoffee hes having sound issues |
| 11:38.43 | robin_sz | Kevin`, as i understand it, you can re-write the superblocks, and intheory they should be the same as they were at creation |
| 11:38.57 | flyinprogramer | how do i fix this, it was in my apache2 error.log, i think i just need to apt-get something...http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?threadid=216586 |
| 11:39.01 | robin_sz | it worked for me anyway |
| 11:39.01 | flyinprogramer | o nope |
| 11:39.05 | flyinprogramer | wrong copy paste |
| 11:39.05 | Kevin` | robin_sz yep, I actually did this testing for perlmonkey : http://pastebin.ca/513704 |
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| 11:39.28 | RvGaTe | wols_, http://pastebin.co.uk/15544 |
| 11:39.30 | flyinprogramer | here's my apache error line: [Sun May 27 07:27:28 2007] [error] Can't locate parse.pl in @INC (@INC contains: modules /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl |
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| 11:39.57 | RvGaTe | wols_, some high values at 71 |
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| 11:40.45 | hardcoffee | HostilePenguin: yes son works with every program but i can t ply more than 1 son aat the same time |
| 11:40.47 | robin_sz | Kevin`, yeah, could work then ... but it DOES need to be in the same order of drives etc |
| 11:40.52 | Kevin` | yep |
| 11:41.12 | HostilePenguin | can you type right? |
| 11:41.15 | Kevin` | I couldn't get a normal recovery NOT to work for soem reason though |
| 11:41.18 | perlmonkey | Kevin, robin_sz: I did the create, and it said all of the drives were part of an array and reconstructed and started! hooraay! |
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| 11:41.31 | Kevin` | perlmonkey mount readonly and test |
| 11:41.41 | wols_ | RvGaTe: you run stuff from gnome, kde _and_ xfce |
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| 11:41.51 | robin_sz | perlmonkey, great ... do ehat kevin said, ro and test |
| 11:41.52 | perlmonkey | ok I can't mount tho, it says to give fs type, I tried ext2 and ext3 no luck :-/ |
| 11:41.56 | RvGaTe | wols_, yup, works like a charm |
| 11:42.00 | perlmonkey | said bad superblock or wrong fs |
| 11:42.07 | wols_ | RvGaTe: sure: with about 1GB more RAM |
| 11:42.12 | Kevin` | did you put the drives in the same order as when you originally created the array? |
| 11:42.23 | perlmonkey | ah |
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| 11:42.28 | wols_ | each of those 3 is basically a RAM hog with all the crap running under the surface |
| 11:42.32 | perlmonkey | oh shit |
| 11:42.33 | RvGaTe | wols_, serously, it works like a charm, never had problems with it... |
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| 11:42.45 | flyinprogramer | ok, does anyone know the list of packages i need to apt-get to get perl working with apache2? |
| 11:42.50 | Kevin` | perlmonkey also, it should NOT have rebuilt the array if done properly |
| 11:42.56 | wols_ | of course not. but you have to pay a price in RAM. and when you doN#t have the phys RAM you have tio fake it with swap |
| 11:42.59 | robin_sz | perlmonkey, yo uknow when we repeatedly and explicity said "must be EXACTLY as i was " etc blah ... |
| 11:42.59 | Kevin` | it should have immediately started |
| 11:43.01 | perlmonkey | Kevin: phew, no its ok i did them in the same order |
| 11:43.16 | perlmonkey | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:43.35 | RvGaTe | wols_, dude, im using this for like 6 months now, without the swap problem i have right now... |
| 11:43.43 | Kevin` | and you didn't change the block size or layout the first time, perlmonkey ? |
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| 11:44.13 | wols_ | RvGaTe: then you have a rootkit |
| 11:44.16 | perlmonkey | I think I set the block size |
| 11:44.23 | RvGaTe | wols_, or a problem with wine? |
| 11:44.27 | Kevin` | well stop the array, and remember what you set it to |
| 11:44.29 | Kevin` | :) |
| 11:44.32 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 11:44.35 | robin_sz | perlmonkey, yo uknow when we repeatedly and explicity said "must be EXACTLY as i was " etc blah ... |
| 11:44.42 | robin_sz | blocksizes the lot |
| 11:44.47 | perlmonkey | yes :-/ |
| 11:44.49 | robin_sz | EXACTLY means EXACTLY |
| 11:45.01 | perlmonkey | I dont think I did change the default block size, only the cluster size |
| 11:45.02 | Kevin` | perlmonkey Chunk Size : 32K |
| 11:45.06 | Kevin` | from your paste before |
| 11:45.08 | perlmonkey | *chunk size |
| 11:45.09 | omri | how does a livecd work? I mean, what filesystem does it mount and how changes(to the filesystem) can be made? do they get written to memory? |
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| 11:45.13 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 11:45.26 | perlmonkey | will I be able to re-construct it? |
| 11:45.34 | robin_sz | it wont need recontructing |
| 11:45.38 | robin_sz | it will just work |
| 11:45.41 | Kevin` | just rerun the create command with the different chunk size |
| 11:45.50 | perlmonkey | ok will do |
| 11:45.52 | robin_sz | all create does it write the superblock |
| 11:46.00 | perlmonkey | i see |
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| 11:46.20 | Kevin` | create will normally resync the parity, but that's not what you want of course, and why you specify the assume option |
| 11:46.24 | wols_ | RvGaTe: I don#t see WINE running |
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| 11:47.00 | HostilePenguin | why cant you do more things with raid from the bios raid management utility? |
| 11:47.25 | HappyMandy | i´ve seen a tool before for displaying .avi files in a x window that runs from commandline... anybody an idea what it could be called ? |
| 11:47.29 | RvGaTe | wols_, let me just reboot, see what happens |
| 11:47.32 | robin_sz | try --chunk_size="diced carrott" |
| 11:47.44 | perlmonkey | :D |
| 11:47.45 | robin_sz | HostilePenguin, what bios raid management utility? |
| 11:47.47 | wols_ | RvGaTe: one possibility is your defunct process. what was it? |
| 11:47.53 | Kevin` | HostilePenguin because bios raid sucks usually :) |
| 11:48.10 | HostilePenguin | someone needs to write a good one and sell it |
| 11:48.10 | robin_sz | HostilePenguin, you are assuming there is hardware raid |
| 11:48.24 | Kevin` | "good one" is hardware raid controllers with processors |
| 11:48.27 | RvGaTe | wols_, im trying to get a windows game running using wine |
| 11:48.28 | Kevin` | they do sell them :) |
| 11:48.35 | RvGaTe | wols_, gw.exe = guild wars |
| 11:48.36 | HostilePenguin | i wasent assuming anything i was just asking a question? |
| 11:48.45 | wols_ | on a loaded 256MB box? good luck |
| 11:48.59 | perlmonkey | damnit, still can't mount...wrong fs or bad superblock |
| 11:49.01 | Kevin` | there IS hardware raid, but most stuff you see in a store isn't hardware |
| 11:49.03 | robin_sz | HostilePenguin, the best RAID is software raid |
| 11:49.18 | robin_sz | Kevin`, dell Perc controllers are OK |
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| 11:50.03 | Kevin` | perlmonkey mdadm -D /dev/md0 |
| 11:50.04 | Kevin` | paste |
| 11:50.09 | perlmonkey | ok |
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| 11:50.36 | Kevin` | wait a minute |
| 11:50.37 | Kevin` | . |
| 11:50.40 | perlmonkey | http://pastebin.ca/513727 |
| 11:50.44 | Kevin` | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:50.47 | Kevin` | in your firts pase |
| 11:50.49 | Kevin` | paste |
| 11:50.57 | perlmonkey | oh yes |
| 11:51.02 | omri | how to livecds keep changes to filesystem in ram? |
| 11:51.06 | Kevin` | remember these thigns :) |
| 11:51.14 | perlmonkey | i have 5 drives tho |
| 11:51.19 | robin_sz | perlmonkey, can I ask you a question? |
| 11:51.22 | perlmonkey | sure |
| 11:51.24 | omri | I'm trying to netboot from a read-only filesystem and I want same behaviour |
| 11:51.27 | Kevin` | well the page said it was running as a 3 drive array |
| 11:51.39 | Kevin` | did you create some as spares? |
| 11:51.40 | valdyn | omri: probably with unionfs |
| 11:51.41 | robin_sz | perlmonkey, which bit of EXACTLY the same do you not understand? |
| 11:51.43 | RvGaTe | wols_, rebooted, and swap is gone (duh) guess it was indeed the gw.exe screwing things up... |
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| 11:52.13 | omri | valdyn, I'll do some reading. thanks |
| 11:52.33 | perlmonkey | well I just ran the construct command you used before to make it construct from all 5 drives |
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| 11:52.55 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
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| 11:53.17 | Kevin` | perlmonkey mdadm -C --assume-clean -c 32 -l 5 -n 3 /dev/sdd /dev/sdb5 /dev/sdc5 |
| 11:53.18 | perlmonkey | I dunno how it could of failed |
| 11:53.25 | robin_sz | perlmonkey, lets put it another way, everytime you try with somehting other than the exact same commands you used in the first place, you greatly increase the chances of fscking it up completely, its usually a one-shot deal ... perfectly right or screwed to oblivion |
| 11:53.41 | perlmonkey | sheesh |
| 11:54.34 | valdyn | at the very least you're spreading different raid definitions over a range of overlapping groups of block devices... fun |
| 11:54.43 | robin_sz | well, instead of typign random commands ... sit and think CAREFULLY ... or use your command history |
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| 11:55.06 | Kevin` | perlmonkey try the command I just listed, I just read it off one of your pastes. odd but it might be right |
| 11:55.13 | perlmonkey | Kevin: it failed :-/ |
| 11:55.17 | Kevin` | failed? |
| 11:55.38 | perlmonkey | mdadm: /dev/sdd does not appear to be an md device. I added in the /dev/md0 and then it failed again |
| 11:55.49 | valdyn | /dev/sdd5? |
| 11:55.56 | perlmonkey | oops |
| 11:56.02 | perlmonkey | I had raid running *stops it* |
| 11:56.10 | robin_sz | sigh |
| 11:56.17 | Kevin` | I did forget the /dev/md0 |
| 11:56.32 | perlmonkey | ya I should of noticed |
| 11:56.34 | Kevin` | if this ever works again you are SO lucky |
| 11:56.47 | Kevin` | however I am impressed at linux raid now |
| 11:56.54 | Kevin` | i've never messed it up to this extent before |
| 11:56.58 | perlmonkey | ok that failed |
| 11:57.04 | Kevin` | reason? |
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| 11:57.19 | perlmonkey | mdadm: Cannot open /dev/sdb5: No such file or directory.... ditto for sdc5 |
| 11:57.26 | perlmonkey | create aborted |
| 11:57.29 | Kevin` | ok, let me look over the device ids |
| 11:57.44 | Kevin` | you could try with just /dev/sdb and /dev/sdc if you know that's right |
| 11:58.02 | perlmonkey | i had a 3 drive raid-5 previously |
| 11:58.12 | perlmonkey | before it i upgraded to 5 drives |
| 11:58.49 | Kevin` | did you ever resize the array? |
| 11:58.52 | valdyn | perlmonkey: sdd or sdd5 IS important, as everytime you recreate using sdd you will delete sdd5 ( and the whole partition table ) |
| 11:59.00 | Kevin` | it looks like it was 3 drives when it failed |
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| 11:59.17 | Kevin` | hmm right. |
| 11:59.20 | perlmonkey | Kevin: I did yeah, when it was a 3 drive array I tried to grow it to 5 disks and that REALLY screwed it up. I had to format the drives and start over |
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| 11:59.40 | Kevin` | perlmonkey http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk |
| 11:59.41 | perlmonkey | that was 1 month ago |
| 11:59.55 | Kevin` | try to recover the partitions on sdc and sdb |
| 12:00.02 | perlmonkey | ok |
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| 12:00.20 | perlmonkey | so something happened which degraded the array, and it was down to 3 drives when it failed last night? |
| 12:00.36 | Kevin` | no |
| 12:00.44 | Kevin` | that number wouldn't change |
| 12:00.48 | Kevin` | it WAS 3 drives somehow |
| 12:00.55 | perlmonkey | this was definitely a 5 drive array when I created it, so i dont get that |
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| 12:01.16 | Kevin` | if that's true, neither do I.. |
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| 12:01.41 | Kevin` | you have to create it the exact way it was before |
| 12:01.50 | Kevin` | and apparently you were using partitions before, for some reason? |
| 12:02.14 | Kevin` | and the superblock was the same on all drives before, when I told you to do -E ? |
| 12:02.28 | perlmonkey | originally I was, when it was a 3 disk array a month ago |
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| 12:02.50 | perlmonkey | yes |
| 12:02.55 | perlmonkey | was the same |
| 12:03.11 | Kevin` | so why would they ALL say it was still a 3 disk array with partitions then |
| 12:03.27 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
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| 12:03.41 | Kevin` | well, two partitions, and one physical device |
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| 12:03.59 | perlmonkey | its puzzling |
| 12:04.11 | perlmonkey | I created it again with 3 drives as you suggested |
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| 12:04.33 | solemnwarning | Does Debian support nVidia MCP55PXE SATA controllers? |
| 12:04.46 | jabka | how do i upload changes file to debian mentors ? i tried signing it with gpg -s but dput sais "not a changes file" when i try to upload not signed file it compains : Please remember that the signature file (.sig or .asc) |
| 12:04.47 | jabka | should be the first file given on the command line. |
| 12:05.10 | Kevin` | perlmonkey perhaps you should go back over your command history for all uses of mdadm |
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| 12:05.18 | perlmonkey | EXT2-fs error (device md0): ext2_check_descriptors: Block bitmap for group 1 not in group (block 0)! |
| 12:05.53 | perlmonkey | EXT3-fs error (device md0): ext3_check_descriptors: Block bitmap for group 1 not in group (block 0)! |
| 12:05.53 | perlmonkey | EXT3-fs: group descriptors corrupted! |
| 12:06.25 | mirak | how does grub finds the stage2 ? |
| 12:06.25 | Hobbsee | jabka: try using debsign to sign the .changes and .dsc file |
| 12:06.26 | Kevin` | mirak the location is written into the first stage when it's installed |
| 12:06.26 | jabka | man debsign |
| 12:06.26 | jabka | oops wrong place |
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| 12:07.15 | perlmonkey | I think I screwed up big time |
| 12:07.16 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 12:07.30 | Kevin` | oh we've known this for a while |
| 12:07.36 | perlmonkey | hehe |
| 12:07.59 | mirak | Kevin`: so if you copy the stage2, then delete it, and rename the copy to the stage2 name it won't work right ? |
| 12:08.15 | Kevin` | mirak shouldn't, though i've never tried |
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| 12:08.41 | mirak | Kevin`: I though grub had an advantage over lilo on this matter but in fact it's the same |
| 12:09.01 | Kevin` | the advantage is grub itself can understand the filesystem once loaded |
| 12:09.05 | Kevin` | you never need to move stage2 |
| 12:09.06 | wols_ | mirak: it should find it sinec grub understands your fs |
| 12:09.11 | Kevin` | lilo only remembers the location of the kernel |
| 12:09.16 | Kevin` | and needs to be updated every time |
| 12:09.23 | mirak | wols_: grub or stage2 ? |
| 12:09.35 | Kevin` | stage2 is part of grub |
| 12:09.37 | Kevin` | heh |
| 12:09.39 | mirak | Kevin`: yes but grub remembers the location of stage2 |
| 12:10.01 | mirak | so it's similar, though with lilo you need to update it for each kernel change I guess |
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| 12:10.28 | Kevin` | you just can't fit enough code to understand all the filesystems in 446bytes |
| 12:10.37 | wols_ | mirak: iirc stage2 |
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| 12:11.07 | mirak | ok |
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| 12:12.47 | wols_ | basically stage1 and 1.5 are only there to understand the FS enough to load stage2 which is the actaul "program" you see running |
| 12:12.59 | wols_ | e.g that decodes menu.lst and display the kernels to boot |
| 12:14.16 | perlmonkey | kevin: State : clean, degraded, recovering. Rebuild Status : 2% complete. spare rebuilding /dev/sdf |
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| 12:14.29 | abrotman | !nicktab |
| 12:14.30 | dpkg | Hitting tab on a partially typed word in your IRC-client, when referencing a nickname, will increase typing productivity by miles. For example, to address exampleUser, type exam<TAB> and your IRC client will fill in the rest. Keep hitting tab if the letters you typed match more than one nick until you get the right one. |
| 12:14.32 | Kevin` | perlmonkey so you got it working? |
| 12:14.51 | perlmonkey | Kevin: I'm not sure, I think after the rebuild it might be ok |
| 12:14.53 | Hoxzer | is somebody here using azsmrc client ? |
| 12:15.00 | Kevin` | perlmonkey rebuild doesn't change state |
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| 12:15.24 | perlmonkey | I dunno then, I still can't mount it |
| 12:15.29 | Kevin` | I think part of the problem is you didn't do enough reading about how raid5 works :) |
| 12:15.36 | perlmonkey | true |
| 12:15.58 | perlmonkey | I'm beginning to hate it |
| 12:16.11 | perlmonkey | it can go down too easily with a power outage or reboot |
| 12:16.24 | Kevin` | well anyway a rebuild isn't going to change the data, if your committed to the current state of things run fsck, otherwise stop it |
| 12:16.32 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 12:16.50 | Kevin` | it doesn't go down that easily, and normally is pretty easy to repair if you remember what you did :) |
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| 12:17.05 | abrotman | perlmonkey: that has nothing to do with raid5 |
| 12:17.14 | perlmonkey | true I ran raid-5 for 2-3 years solid before I had that accident and tried to grow it |
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| 12:17.28 | Kevin` | what happened while growing? |
| 12:17.36 | abrotman | growing pains |
| 12:17.53 | Kevin` | i've tried growing stuff and it has always worked |
| 12:18.16 | perlmonkey | well, same old problem...I didn't read properly/enough, and I didn't realise that raid-5 requires a full backup and restore procedure |
| 12:18.22 | jabka | thnx ppl |
| 12:18.27 | Kevin` | perlmonkey it doesn't. |
| 12:18.31 | perlmonkey | oh |
| 12:18.39 | Kevin` | pastebin in a few minutes demonstrating |
| 12:19.09 | perlmonkey | i understood since that its not a simple procedure to grow a raid-5/adjust the number of devices once its built |
| 12:19.14 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 12:19.25 | valdyn | adding block devices just needs a new entry in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf, unless you're jsut scanning anyway |
| 12:20.02 | war | perlmonkey: sure it is |
| 12:20.14 | war | perlmonkey: I've grown 1.8TB to 3.3TB using 400 disks one at a time as I bought them. |
| 12:20.51 | abrotman | small disks |
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| 12:21.11 | war | abrotman: you seem to be all over the place ;) |
| 12:21.11 | perlmonkey | war: on raid-5? |
| 12:21.16 | war | perlmonkey: sw raid5 yup |
| 12:21.21 | perlmonkey | phew |
| 12:21.25 | abrotman | war ? |
| 12:21.30 | abrotman | war: where else was i? |
| 12:21.46 | war | abrotman: oftc, but now they've merged right? |
| 12:21.58 | abrotman | war: no .. no merging |
| 12:22.09 | war | ah |
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| 12:23.04 | nnacht | Hey, anyone has used an external monitor for desktop extension? |
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| 12:24.10 | perlmonkey | this is fuked |
| 12:24.15 | abrotman | nnacht: let's just say i haven't .. what are yhou really asking ? |
| 12:25.04 | perlmonkey | mdadm -E /dev/sdd == shows 6 (SIX) devices on raid, theres only FIVE |
| 12:25.16 | Kevin` | I bet one is a repeat |
| 12:25.21 | perlmonkey | ya |
| 12:25.23 | Kevin` | it lists itself seperately |
| 12:26.10 | nnacht | abrotman: I'm using a laptop with a LCD-resolution of 1200x800, and I also have an external LCD monitor with resolution of 1280x1024, and I want to use the display of the laptop and external monitor together, like a desktop extension, which I can do it under windows |
| 12:26.20 | perlmonkey | mdadm -E /dev/md0 == mdadm: No md superblock detected on /dev/md0. |
| 12:26.38 | valdyn | perlmonkey: sure that's expected |
| 12:26.41 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 12:26.43 | perlmonkey | phew |
| 12:26.45 | abrotman | nnacht: xinerama .. i think |
| 12:26.47 | valdyn | perlmonkey: or were you trying to build a raid containing raids? |
| 12:26.53 | abrotman | !xinerama |
| 12:26.54 | perlmonkey | no |
| 12:26.54 | dpkg | xinerama is, like, where you have several monitors but only one logical desktop -- XFree86 4.0 and X.org have it! Documentation is available: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Xinerama-HOWTO.html http://pwp.netcabo.pt/0150048402/linux/Multiple_Nvidia_Multiple_Head.html |
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| 12:27.07 | abrotman | nnacht: and those docs might be out of date |
| 12:27.10 | perlmonkey | only devices contain superblocks eh |
| 12:27.18 | perlmonkey | i should of known tha |
| 12:27.21 | perlmonkey | *that |
| 12:27.21 | valdyn | perlmonkey: no |
| 12:27.38 | perlmonkey | unless the raid is being used as a device? |
| 12:27.51 | valdyn | perlmonkey: only md raid members contain an md superblock |
| 12:27.57 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 12:28.05 | nnacht | abrotman: I tried with xinerama, but with no success. It seems to me that xinerama is designed to user TWO graphic cards. |
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| 12:28.40 | abrotman | nnacht: OH .. uhm .. i don't htink you can do what you're asking .. those are the same devices .. just different outputs |
| 12:28.46 | perlmonkey | should, what -E shows for each device, but in sync/the same as what shows with -D /dev/md0 |
| 12:28.47 | abrotman | nnacht: maybe ask #xorg . |
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| 12:29.09 | Kevin` | waiting for raid recovery |
| 12:29.11 | nnacht | abrotman: That's why I asked whether somebody has used a laptop and an external monitor. |
| 12:29.15 | perlmonkey | ok |
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| 12:29.20 | perlmonkey | me too, 32% now |
| 12:29.23 | Kevin` | then I will test resize |
| 12:29.28 | nnacht | abrotman: ok, I will try. Thanks a lot! |
| 12:29.29 | Kevin` | why are YOU waiting for it? :) |
| 12:30.08 | abrotman | nnacht: and i said i hadn't :) |
| 12:30.12 | Kevin` | this time i'm using 1gb files instead of 10mb |
| 12:30.13 | perlmonkey | one drive is showing faulty on -E output |
| 12:30.15 | Kevin` | 10mb caused problems |
| 12:30.18 | abrotman | nnacht: anyways .. if you get it .. document it somewhere |
| 12:30.30 | perlmonkey | phew |
| 12:31.27 | Kevin` | I wonder if I can do a resize while it's recovering |
| 12:31.31 | nnacht | abrotman: OK, I will do it, bye! |
| 12:31.56 | Kevin` | nope, won't let me |
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| 12:32.13 | perlmonkey | you can mount and use it while it's recovering eh |
| 12:32.29 | Kevin` | yes |
| 12:32.40 | perlmonkey | even format it |
| 12:32.58 | perlmonkey | well i cant, but normal folks can :P |
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| 12:33.38 | perlmonkey | i need an award for screwups |
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| 12:33.49 | simonrvn | !award perlmonkey |
| 12:34.04 | simonrvn | !prize perlmonkey |
| 12:34.33 | Kevin` | perlmonkey did you grow directly from 3 to 5? |
| 12:34.51 | abrotman | simonrvn: i think you were looking for !mhallsmite |
| 12:34.58 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 12:35.56 | perlmonkey | Kevin: yes |
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| 12:36.24 | Kevin` | then that's what i'll do :) |
| 12:36.30 | perlmonkey | cool |
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| 12:36.50 | Kevin` | reshape take 14 minutes :( |
| 12:37.14 | JEnnYKolbexx | must i remove the or # stable repos in sources.list to switch SID |
| 12:37.26 | Kevin` | perlmonkey example will be given shortly :) |
| 12:37.29 | abrotman | if you have to ask .. you shouldn't |
| 12:37.44 | perlmonkey | Kevin: I been running Debian for 10 years now nearly incredibly and still can't do much right |
| 12:37.45 | simonrvn | and it's Sid, not SID |
| 12:38.21 | JEnnYKolbexx | :Ö |
| 12:38.21 | simonrvn | !sid |
| 12:38.21 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 12:38.49 | JEnnYKolbexx | thanx |
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| 12:38.54 | perlmonkey | I setup mythtv tho last month, including 2 frontends one on a laptop over wifi... so I'm quite chuffed at moment |
| 12:39.00 | simonrvn | testing would be a better choice |
| 12:39.27 | Kevin` | i'm probably going to be using stable for a while |
| 12:39.33 | Kevin` | considering it was "just" released |
| 12:39.54 | perlmonkey | seems wise |
| 12:39.55 | JEnnYKolbexx | but where can i find doc how to switch to testing or sid |
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| 12:40.22 | perlmonkey | I tried to install ubuntu the other week but it failed to boot from the cd even, didnt like my hw |
| 12:40.29 | abrotman | JEnnYKolbexx: please don't use sid |
| 12:40.41 | JEnnYKolbexx | testing better yes? |
| 12:40.44 | simonrvn | !etch->lenny |
| 12:40.44 | dpkg | Edit your sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. |
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| 12:41.38 | perlmonkey | Kevin you are the master of all things raid now |
| 12:41.45 | perlmonkey | I will keep bugging you :P |
| 12:41.49 | Kevin` | onoes |
| 12:41.53 | Kevin` | ;o |
| 12:42.33 | abrotman | !de |
| 12:42.33 | dpkg | i guess de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 12:42.54 | perlmonkey | I would of scrapped my raid long ago and just got bigger SATA drive but my server is 6 x hotswap scsi and im reluctant to change it |
| 12:43.07 | Kevin` | 6x hotswap scsi is nice. |
| 12:43.08 | perlmonkey | plus performance is very good |
| 12:43.16 | JEnnYKolbexx | !en |
| 12:43.17 | dpkg | english |
| 12:43.18 | Kevin` | I would probaly do raid6 on that instead of 5 |
| 12:43.27 | perlmonkey | phew |
| 12:43.34 | perlmonkey | and boot off of the raid? |
| 12:43.42 | Kevin` | depends on the system |
| 12:43.47 | perlmonkey | I'm using a separate non-raid drive to boot up from |
| 12:43.57 | perlmonkey | thought it be safer |
| 12:44.18 | Kevin` | for raid5, you do need a seperate drive or partition for grub and the kernel |
| 12:44.24 | Kevin` | since it can't load itself from raid |
| 12:44.29 | perlmonkey | I mount the raid as /home and i have sync'd my users with it and use nfs on all client machines, so /home is centralised |
| 12:45.22 | perlmonkey | I dont see the point in booting from a raid unless you really have to |
| 12:45.40 | Kevin` | well it means your boot files can't get messed up from a drive failure |
| 12:45.43 | perlmonkey | its just one more potential problem if things go wrong eh |
| 12:46.06 | Kevin` | perlmonkey http://pastebin.ca/513794 |
| 12:46.45 | Kevin` | bart mnt1 # ext2online . |
| 12:46.45 | Kevin` | ext2online v1.1.18 - 2001/03/18 for EXT2FS 0.5b |
| 12:46.52 | Kevin` | the command actually working ;) |
| 12:47.04 | perlmonkey | phew |
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| 12:47.26 | Kevin` | forgot to include that in the paste for some reason so it might not make sense how it happened |
| 12:48.22 | Kevin` | yes, was done while mounted and in use :) |
| 12:48.26 | Kevin` | just because |
| 12:48.39 | perlmonkey | well I still can't mount my raid, so I guess its damage limitation time, and testdisk |
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| 12:49.07 | Kevin` | damage limitation would be NOT letting it rebuild, anyway try to get fsck working if your sure this is the correct layout |
| 12:49.20 | perlmonkey | im sure its correct now |
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| 12:51.09 | Kevin` | on my system i'm using 3 500gb ata drives in raid5, btw |
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| 12:51.29 | SoulChild | Hey all |
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| 12:51.43 | SoulChild | Anyone using debian Etch stable,... i need help with the bootsplash |
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| 12:51.51 | perlmonkey | Kevin how long you been running Linux/debian |
| 12:52.04 | Kevin` | perlmonkey several years, I don't remember exactly |
| 12:52.04 | perlmonkey | Kevin: why do you need so much space |
| 12:52.10 | Kevin` | perlmonkey stuff :) |
| 12:52.14 | perlmonkey | hehe |
| 12:52.26 | Kevin` | dev/md/0 917G 634G 238G 73% |
| 12:52.34 | perlmonkey | it's a lot |
| 12:52.41 | schme | Shit. |
| 12:52.45 | schme | I am using like 3gb total. |
| 12:52.47 | perlmonkey | I run mythtv on a 72GB drive |
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| 12:52.59 | Decepticon | im trying to do "sshfs Bill\ Gates@146.201.142.100:/cygdrive/x /mnt/colbert" and im seeing the error "fusermount: failed to open /dev/fuse: No such file or directory" what does it mean? |
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| 12:53.12 | Kevin` | plus dev/sda1 466G 410G 57G 88% / plus dev/hda10 153G 80G 66G 55% /storage |
| 12:53.18 | Ronin | SoulChild: many of us run etch, why not ask your real question and wait |
| 12:53.19 | cydork | Decepticon: fuse module is not loded. |
| 12:53.21 | Kevin` | and other minor drives |
| 12:53.30 | Decepticon | how do i make it load up on start up |
| 12:53.31 | cydork | s/loded/loaded/ |
| 12:53.32 | SoulChild | Ronin: okay thanks |
| 12:53.38 | Kevin` | SoulChild I use etch on several computers, but not bootsplash |
| 12:53.39 | cydork | Decepticon: modprobe fuse |
| 12:53.43 | schme | Kevin`: That's a lot of porn. |
| 12:53.49 | Kevin` | lol schme |
| 12:53.55 | SoulChild | I want to activate bootsplash, do i habe to compile the kernel ??? |
| 12:54.03 | SoulChild | !tell me about bootsplash |
| 12:54.14 | abrotman | !tell SoulChild about selftell |
| 12:54.22 | cydork | SoulChild: not if you use userspace utilities. like splashy or usplash |
| 12:54.23 | eNTi|notebook | hi. i know this is kind of offtopic, but could anyone redirect me to a howto, where i could learn howto block urls ending with .exe / .swf / .... i need to stop my users from downloading crap and watching vids. |
| 12:54.24 | Decepticon | cydork can i put that in a shell script containing "#!/bin/bash ; modprobe fuse" and stick it into /etc/rc2.d/S99fuse |
| 12:54.36 | SoulChild | cydork: thanks |
| 12:54.40 | abrotman | eNTi|notebook: squid |
| 12:54.42 | cydork | Decepticon: no just put it in /etc/modules |
| 12:54.49 | Decepticon | put what where? |
| 12:54.52 | Decepticon | -where |
| 12:55.05 | perlmonkey | 94% |
| 12:55.09 | abrotman | Decepticon: put 'fuse' in /etc/modules |
| 12:55.20 | eNTi|notebook | abrotman, th |
| 12:55.22 | eNTi|notebook | abchirk, thx |
| 12:55.32 | abchirk | np ;) |
| 12:55.33 | abrotman | eNTi|notebook: it's a proxy |
| 12:55.41 | abrotman | abchirk: you're always so helpful! |
| 12:55.46 | Decepticon | will i have to reboot for this to work |
| 12:55.50 | abchirk | Yes, my pleasure... :) |
| 12:56.04 | abrotman | Decepticon: or you can modprobe it now .. and also stick it in that file . |
| 12:56.09 | Decepticon | ah ok |
| 12:56.12 | cydork | Decepticon: nope. you just have to modprobe it for the time being. |
| 12:56.22 | Decepticon | ill modprobe it and add it to /etc/modules |
| 12:56.24 | cydork | damn i am lagging. |
| 12:56.39 | abrotman | cydork: or you type slow |
| 12:56.42 | perlmonkey | when your data hangs in the balance, tis like your life is in the lap of the gods |
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| 12:56.56 | cydork | abrotman: yeah that's possible too . :P |
| 12:57.42 | Kevin` | can I have your job? anywhere near milwaukee? :) |
| 12:57.52 | abrotman | Kevin`: is anything ? |
| 12:58.04 | Kevin` | is anythign what? |
| 12:58.05 | abrotman | Kevin`: (though my mom is up near Stevens Point) |
| 12:58.14 | abrotman | Kevin`: near milwuakee |
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| 12:58.21 | Kevin` | oh |
| 12:58.22 | Kevin` | lol |
| 12:58.35 | dvs | abrotman: is that near Point Place? ;-) |
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| 12:58.44 | abrotman | Kevin`: my mom is all excited that she got lefsa and lutefisk for the next time i go visit her |
| 12:58.49 | abrotman | dvs: no .... |
| 12:59.16 | abrotman | .... |
| 12:59.17 | cahoot | lutefisk - enjoy |
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| 12:59.22 | perlmonkey | Kevin: can you guide me with using fsck on the raid |
| 12:59.31 | perlmonkey | I dont want to make things worse than they are now |
| 12:59.42 | Kevin` | perlmonkey I doubt it can get much worse, but ok |
| 12:59.59 | abrotman | he could run fsck on the mounted filesystem ? |
| 13:00.08 | Kevin` | is it mounted? |
| 13:00.11 | perlmonkey | abrotman: I can't mount it |
| 13:00.13 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 13:00.14 | Kevin` | I doubt it would mount properly ;) |
| 13:00.26 | Kevin` | perlmonkey e2fsck /dev/md0 |
| 13:00.38 | Kevin` | it is ext3, right? |
| 13:00.42 | abrotman | perlmonkey: you're a monkey .. you can mount anything! |
| 13:00.57 | perlmonkey | e2fsck: Invalid argument while trying to open /dev/md0. The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2 |
| 13:00.58 | perlmonkey | filesystem. |
| 13:01.02 | perlmonkey | abrotman: haha true |
| 13:01.15 | abrotman | perlmonkey: isn't there supposed to be data there ? |
| 13:01.18 | Kevin` | perlmonkey is the array active? |
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| 13:02.17 | perlmonkey | mdadm -R /dev/md0 <-- restarts? |
| 13:02.32 | Kevin` | Run |
| 13:02.35 | perlmonkey | mdadm: failed to run array /dev/md0: Invalid argument |
| 13:02.44 | Kevin` | mdadm -D /dev/md0 |
| 13:02.52 | Kevin` | I though it was active and repairing or something |
| 13:03.06 | perlmonkey | mdadm: md device /dev/md0 does not appear to be active. |
| 13:03.16 | perlmonkey | it finished and i stopped it to try and use fsck |
| 13:03.32 | Kevin` | does dmesg show anything interesting? |
| 13:03.46 | perlmonkey | VFS: Can't find ext2|3 filesystem on dev md0. |
| 13:03.50 | SoulChild | Can someone tell me the name of this programm in the right of this image, it's this big clock wit vpu infos ect... LINK: http://www.gargi.org/assets/sonstiges/burnkl.png |
| 13:03.53 | Kevin` | that's all? |
| 13:03.57 | Kevin` | no other errors |
| 13:04.02 | robin_sz | perlmonkey, congratulations |
| 13:04.09 | Kevin` | i'm wondering how it got deactivated |
| 13:04.10 | perlmonkey | md: md0 stopped. md: unbind<sdf>md: export_rdev(sdf) |
| 13:04.13 | perlmonkey | (for each drive) |
| 13:04.25 | Kevin` | did you do that? |
| 13:04.37 | valdyn | perlmonkey: why do you stop it to run fsck? that's so wrong. |
| 13:04.38 | robin_sz | perlmonkey, it loks like after a couple of hours of random commands you finally mamanged to screw it all the wya to oblivion |
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| 13:04.50 | valdyn | perlmonkey: the _idea_ is totally wrong. |
| 13:04.52 | abrotman | SoulChild: likely gdesklets |
| 13:04.58 | perlmonkey | ya I stopped it |
| 13:05.03 | abrotman | !gdesklets |
| 13:05.04 | Kevin` | well assemble it again |
| 13:05.06 | SoulChild | abrotman: thank you |
| 13:05.06 | Kevin` | why did you stop it |
| 13:05.14 | perlmonkey | no no |
| 13:05.23 | perlmonkey | I left it to finish rebuilding |
| 13:05.30 | robin_sz | Kevin`, so, what do you reckon to his chances? |
| 13:05.31 | perlmonkey | then after i stopped it and tried to use fsck |
| 13:05.37 | valdyn | jesus |
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| 13:05.40 | Kevin` | .. |
| 13:05.44 | abrotman | yes my child ? |
| 13:05.49 | dvs | heh |
| 13:05.49 | Kevin` | if you stop the array you can't read and write to it |
| 13:05.50 | valdyn | perlmonkey: you have no idea what you are doing or trying to do |
| 13:05.51 | robin_sz | perlmonkey, thats the bit you shouldnt have done, stopping it to use fsck |
| 13:06.03 | abrotman | valdyn: we covered that already :) |
| 13:06.05 | perlmonkey | I thought I had to use fsck on the actual block devices |
| 13:06.08 | robin_sz | valdyn, we worked that one out LONG ago |
| 13:06.08 | perlmonkey | not on the raid |
| 13:06.08 | Kevin` | stopping it won't damage anything, though |
| 13:06.13 | valdyn | hehe |
| 13:06.13 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 13:06.16 | Kevin` | perlmonkey wrong, completely wrong |
| 13:06.19 | perlmonkey | oops |
| 13:06.22 | Kevin` | never run fsck on the individial devices |
| 13:06.27 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 13:06.31 | perlmonkey | good job i never tried |
| 13:06.32 | robin_sz | s/never/never ever/ |
| 13:06.39 | abrotman | http://www.gdesklets.de/ |
| 13:06.42 | perlmonkey | I wanted to ask you first |
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| 13:07.07 | Kevin` | the individual devices of a raid5 array are not readable as a filesystem by themselves, the most you could do is mess up data |
| 13:07.09 | abrotman | please join hands! |
| 13:07.14 | perlmonkey | valdyn: sure I do, I'm trying to mount my raid :P |
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| 13:07.25 | valdyn | perlmonkey: im sure google has a nice explanation somewhere on what a raid is, what a filesystem is, and what fsck is supposed to do |
| 13:07.26 | Kevin` | anyway, assemble/start the array |
| 13:07.31 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 13:07.45 | perlmonkey | whats the best way to start now, since mdadm -R /dev/md0 will not start it |
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| 13:07.54 | perlmonkey | mdadm -A ? |
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| 13:08.13 | k-man_ | anyone know of a linux router project that has ip accounting built into it? |
| 13:08.13 | Kevin` | mdadm -A /dev/md0 /dev/whatever /dev/whatever /dev/whatever /dev/whatever /dev/whatever |
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| 13:08.20 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 13:08.34 | robin_sz | replacing wahtever with real devices ... |
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| 13:08.57 | perlmonkey | robin_sz: now you're teckin the piss :P |
| 13:09.07 | robin_sz | exactly |
| 13:09.25 | perlmonkey | mdadm: /dev/md0 has been started with 5 drives. |
| 13:10.24 | perlmonkey | everything ok so far |
| 13:10.57 | Kevin` | a lot of the howtos out there for linux raid seem to be horribly outdated |
| 13:11.02 | perlmonkey | apart from the discrepency between -D md0 and -E on block devices |
| 13:11.11 | perlmonkey | true, its confusing |
| 13:11.48 | Kevin` | show mdadm -D /dev/md0 |
| 13:11.51 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 13:11.57 | Kevin` | also e2fsck /dev/md0 |
| 13:12.02 | Kevin` | this IS ext3 right? |
| 13:12.17 | perlmonkey | http://pastebin.ca/513835 |
| 13:12.31 | perlmonkey | I'm not sure, I think it might be ext2 |
| 13:12.51 | Kevin` | ok. but in the future you should use ext3 |
| 13:12.57 | perlmonkey | ok will do |
| 13:12.58 | Kevin` | doesn't make any difference for the commands |
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| 13:13.32 | perlmonkey | http://pastebin.ca/513838 |
| 13:13.51 | Kevin` | try the recommended command |
| 13:14.05 | perlmonkey | to restore the superblock you mean? |
| 13:14.13 | Kevin` | yes |
| 13:14.16 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 13:15.03 | perlmonkey | so just to confirm: e2fsck -b 8193 /dev/md0 |
| 13:15.19 | Kevin` | yep |
| 13:16.01 | perlmonkey | e2fsck: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/md0 |
| 13:16.08 | perlmonkey | must be at a different location eh |
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| 13:16.18 | Kevin` | did you change the blocksize when creating the filesystem? |
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| 13:16.28 | perlmonkey | I don't think so |
| 13:16.39 | perlmonkey | I did something a bit silly tho |
| 13:16.46 | abrotman | no kidding .. |
| 13:16.54 | perlmonkey | what I did was create a filesystem on each partition before I created the raid |
| 13:16.59 | abrotman | heh |
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| 13:17.08 | Kevin` | I assume you created it after, though |
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| 13:17.19 | perlmonkey | before and after |
| 13:17.29 | Kevin` | you wouldn't have done the sillyness if you looked up how raid worked first :) |
| 13:17.32 | perlmonkey | the 2nd time would of destroyed the first filesystems? |
| 13:17.39 | perlmonkey | true |
| 13:17.51 | Kevin` | likely destroyed |
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| 13:18.14 | Kevin` | since the blocks are skewed some of them might still exist |
| 13:18.16 | perlmonkey | I think the superblock locations (from memory) looked different to the default one suggested by e2fsck |
| 13:18.20 | Kevin` | not that an empty filesystem is useful |
| 13:18.39 | perlmonkey | they had more digits |
| 13:18.52 | Kevin` | perlmonkey mke2fs -n /dev/md0 |
| 13:18.57 | Kevin` | -n is very important :) |
| 13:19.04 | perlmonkey | what does it do |
| 13:19.23 | Kevin` | it will make like it's creating the filesystem and tell you the block locations, but not actually do anything |
| 13:19.23 | MrMiste1 | tells the system that it's n-portant, and not to screw up |
| 13:19.39 | perlmonkey | cool |
| 13:20.04 | perlmonkey | Superblock backups stored on blocks: 32768, 98304, 163840, 229376, 294912, 819200, 884736, 1605632, 2654208, 4096000, 7962624, 11239424 |
| 13:20.11 | Kevin` | try some numbers |
| 13:20.15 | Kevin` | for e2fsck |
| 13:20.15 | perlmonkey | ok lets try |
| 13:22.11 | perlmonkey | all failed :-( |
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| 13:23.18 | perlmonkey | end of the road? |
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| 13:24.24 | Kevin` | perlmonkey if your sure that this is the correct configuration of the array, i'm not sure what else you could do besides searching for files in the device |
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| 13:24.36 | perlmonkey | ok :-/ |
| 13:24.49 | perlmonkey | i dunno how this happened or how it went so badly wrong |
| 13:25.04 | Kevin` | pebkac |
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| 13:32.03 | ma3x | why when I resume screen, I can't get the page up output? |
| 13:32.05 | SoulChild | GUYS!...i am bored ,... what can i do |
| 13:32.08 | ma3x | is it possible? |
| 13:32.20 | ma3x | SoulChild, eat bisquits |
| 13:32.21 | Ronin | SoulChild: go outside |
| 13:32.22 | simonrvn | crtl-a-esc |
| 13:32.32 | ma3x | simonrvn, what does that do? |
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| 13:32.45 | simonrvn | go up and down |
| 13:32.52 | SoulChild | ma3x: Ronin; hehe ,... i meant,.. what can i do with my debian ? |
| 13:33.02 | simonrvn | pgup and pgdown |
| 13:33.09 | simonrvn | arrow keys etc |
| 13:33.19 | SoulChild | KURBET I LOVE YOU!!! |
| 13:33.43 | ma3x | simonrvn, is there a way to page up in screen -r? |
| 13:33.46 | ma3x | or is it gone? |
| 13:33.51 | simonrvn | ma3x: basically it's to do copy&paste with screen, but i use it to scroll in that screen window |
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| 13:34.24 | ma3x | simonrvn, how? ctrl+a+esc?? |
| 13:34.26 | ma3x | that doesn't work |
| 13:34.31 | simonrvn | how you started/reattached doesn't matter |
| 13:34.34 | ma3x | it opens ksysguard |
| 13:34.43 | simonrvn | well then fix your kde |
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| 13:35.04 | SoulChild | Are there any good tutorials to speedup debian bootprocess? |
| 13:35.22 | Ronin | SoulChild: ya, don't reboot :) |
| 13:35.25 | ijk | running debian testing; I believe I am experiencing this bug with tzdata: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=421280 -- how do I fix this? I can't REMOVE tzdata since it's essential somehow.. |
| 13:35.29 | ma3x | lol Ronin |
| 13:35.49 | ma3x | Ronin's got an uptime of 1 year |
| 13:36.07 | Ronin | 22 hours actually, damn powersupply died yesterday |
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| 13:36.34 | dondelelcaro | ijk: you should just upgrade to that version. |
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| 13:37.00 | ijk | whenever I do apt-get something it halts because of tzdata! |
| 13:37.04 | simonrvn | suckage, been having probs with kernel, then a scsi card, then another reboot due to power outage, then ... |
| 13:37.04 | SoulChild | BOOOORIIING |
| 13:37.10 | SoulChild | i ll go to ubuntu channel |
| 13:37.11 | SoulChild | :D |
| 13:37.12 | robin_sz | ok, I have a dir full of files (jpegs from a security camera) that I need to keep under control ... by deleting the ones over a week old .. is there a debian package that can help with that, or shall I hack up a bit of Perl |
| 13:37.13 | SoulChild | hahaha |
| 13:37.48 | dondelelcaro | ijk: that's why you should upgrade to the fixed version; it will pass that point. |
| 13:37.51 | MrMiste1 | c'mon, the ubuntu channel sucks |
| 13:37.57 | SoulChild | UBUNTU IS AN OLD AFRICAN WORD FOR: "I CAN'T CONFIGURE DEBIAN" LOL |
| 13:37.57 | MrMiste1 | "wat es the linux" |
| 13:38.01 | simonrvn | and off-topic |
| 13:38.19 | simonrvn | !lart SoulChild |
| 13:38.50 | MrMiste1 | dpkg, you cheeky little bot |
| 13:39.03 | MrMiste1 | !lart dpkg |
| 13:39.12 | MrMiste1 | blast |
| 13:39.12 | ijk | dondelelcaro: so I can't do that via the apt system? |
| 13:39.15 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 13:39.37 | ijk | must admit I'm not sure what you mean by just upgrading |
| 13:39.50 | simonrvn | download deb, dpkg -i it |
| 13:39.58 | ijk | okay |
| 13:42.06 | dondelelcaro | ijk: of course you can do it using the apt system. |
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| 13:42.20 | dondelelcaro | ijk: just apt-get update; apt-get install tzdata; assuming you're using unstable. |
| 13:42.22 | wols_ | robin_sz: find should do the trick |
| 13:42.44 | dondelelcaro | ijk: the postinst isn't run until after the package is unpacked, so the fixed version will be unpackaged and will fix that issue. |
| 13:42.49 | robin_sz | wols_, yeah, readint |
| 13:42.51 | dondelelcaro | s/packaged/packaged/ |
| 13:42.54 | robin_sz | -atime |
| 13:43.54 | robin_sz | well, -ctime maybe |
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| 13:46.39 | ijk | hm. even after apt-get update it still tries to install the 2007f-3 version of tzdata (which is the wrong one). |
| 13:48.20 | ijk | (because it enqueued to be upgraded I think) |
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| 13:49.41 | abrotman | ijk: apt-cache policy |
| 13:49.53 | gonzaloaf | is there a tool for rip dvd of 8G to 4G dvds? |
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| 13:50.02 | gonzaloaf | I mean video dvds |
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| 13:50.48 | abrotman | you can split it |
| 13:50.57 | gonzaloaf | me? |
| 13:51.01 | abrotman | i'm not sure that makes two playing images .. but i doubt it |
| 13:51.16 | ijk | spits out 7 items on a list 6 of which are marked 500, the first (dpkg) 100 |
| 13:51.43 | abrotman | ijk: paste it somewhere |
| 13:51.44 | abrotman | !past |
| 13:51.44 | dpkg | somebody said past was you can also join #flood |
| 13:51.46 | abrotman | !paste |
| 13:51.46 | dpkg | paste is, like, Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC or if those are not working, ask me about <pastebin> for other options |
| 13:51.54 | ijk | =) |
| 13:52.06 | dondelelcaro | ijk: if you're still having the problem in 2007f-3, it's a different bug |
| 13:52.12 | dondelelcaro | (or the same bug that wasn't actually fixed) |
| 13:52.43 | ijk | paste.debian.net/29008 |
| 13:53.04 | ijk | I think it's just me being newish to debian :) |
| 13:53.26 | abrotman | ijk: sorry .. apt-cache policy tzdata |
| 13:53.51 | dondelelcaro | ijk: and the full output of the dpkg --configure -a; run will also be useful. |
| 13:53.56 | abrotman | ijk: though mixing isn't really recommended |
| 13:54.08 | ijk | 29009 :)! |
| 13:54.20 | ijk | okay |
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| 13:55.00 | ijk | "dpkg --configure -a" instantly halts due to errors processing tzdata |
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| 13:55.27 | dondelelcaro | ijk: yes, but we want to see the output. |
| 13:55.52 | jelly-home | gonzaloaf: DVDShrink works well enough in wine. |
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| 13:56.10 | ijk | it's in 29010 now |
| 13:56.28 | ijk | (expecting a flooding ban from debian.net shortly :) |
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| 13:57.06 | dondelelcaro | ijk: add a set -x to the top of /var/lib/dpkg/info/tzdata.postinst (under the #!/bin/sh line); and paste the output of dpkg --configure -a; |
| 13:58.40 | ijk | done, in 29011 |
| 13:59.02 | ma3x | when I do ps aux, if there is a process with a long command line running, how do I make ps display it's full command? |
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| 13:59.24 | cahoot | -www |
| 13:59.35 | jelly-home | ma3x: add some w options to the mix |
| 13:59.53 | ma3x | jelly-home, I did ps auxw but that still doesnt show it |
| 14:00.07 | cahoot | COLUMNS=200 maybe too |
| 14:00.15 | jelly-home | ma3x: works for me! |
| 14:00.22 | jelly-home | ma3x: you can add more of them |
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| 14:01.13 | ma3x | cahoot, yeah!!!! that works |
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| 14:02.40 | dondelelcaro | ijk: run /usr/share/debconf/frontend /var/lib/dpkg/info/tzdata.postinst configure 2007f-1; and see what output it generates (if anything) |
| 14:03.05 | ijk | makes any difference if I'm logged in as root? |
| 14:03.12 | ijk | (regarding the output) |
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| 14:03.28 | dondelelcaro | yeah; you'll need to run it as root |
| 14:03.36 | ijk | okay :) |
| 14:03.50 | abrotman | oh .. he was giving us pastebin IDs |
| 14:04.00 | dondelelcaro | if I were to guess right now though, your problem is that you've got a non-installed or non-configured debconf frontend |
| 14:04.56 | ijk | no output given |
| 14:05.19 | dondelelcaro | ijk: what is $? ? |
| 14:05.37 | ijk | echo $? returns 10 |
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| 14:07.27 | MrMiste1 | $? is how many dollars your system is worth |
| 14:07.38 | MrMiste1 | my echo $? shows up as 293871928799 |
| 14:07.38 | ijk | pff :) |
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| 14:07.50 | TeamHost|Dan2 | Hi all |
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| 14:08.22 | MrMiste1 | im kidding, it just 08 |
| 14:08.46 | dondelelcaro | ijk: just to check something; what happens when you run DEBCONF_FRONTEND="noninteractive" dpkg --configure -a; |
| 14:08.59 | wols_ | MrMiste1: do you have a debian related qwuestion or are here to answer debian related questions? |
| 14:09.23 | dondelelcaro | ijk: err, that should read DEBIAN_FRONTEND="noninteractive" dpkg --configure -a |
| 14:09.53 | MrMiste1 | I'll help with any questions, I often come up with questions so I like to hang around the channel |
| 14:09.56 | ijk | one line? |
| 14:10.00 | robin_sz | MrMiste1, or, to put it another way: if you just want to chat try #debian-chat |
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| 14:10.13 | dondelelcaro | ijk: if that fails, set DEBCONF_DEBUG=".*" dpkg --configure -a; |
| 14:10.16 | dondelelcaro | ijk: yes, one line. |
| 14:10.21 | wols_ | while you don't answer them or pose them: can you be quiet please? |
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| 14:10.44 | ijk | first one outputs same as just dpkg --configure -a |
| 14:10.44 | MrMiste1 | of course, Sir |
| 14:10.55 | dondelelcaro | ijk: ok; the second should give more information |
| 14:11.17 | wols_ | MrMiste1: #debian-offtopic might be more to your liking |
| 14:11.25 | wols_ | at least it's the proper channel |
| 14:11.26 | asg | wols_: he's already in there :( |
| 14:11.30 | MrMiste1 | i am |
| 14:11.36 | ijk | second one: http://paste.debian.net/29014 |
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| 14:13.15 | ijk | line 67 it says : debconf (developer): --> 10 tzdata/Zones/ doesn't exist |
| 14:13.19 | ijk | could that be it? |
| 14:13.43 | yang | From the debian-maintainer I saw the message : FYI, new version of Jwm will be uploaded once etch has been released. but nothing has been done yet. |
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| 14:17.08 | dondelelcaro | ijk: yes, I'm looking at why that is happening |
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| 14:17.48 | ijk | okay. appreciating the help by the way! :) |
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| 14:18.58 | dondelelcaro | ijk: can you ls -l /etc/localtime /etc/timezone; and paste the contents of /etc/localtime and zdump /etc/timezone? |
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| 14:21.15 | ijk | /etc/localtime doesn't exist |
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| 14:21.30 | dondelelcaro | ijk: does /etc/timezone exist? |
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| 14:22.09 | ijk | that does exist; so I run zdump on it and paste? |
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| 14:22.54 | dondelelcaro | ijk: nah, don't bother. mv /etc/localtime /etc/localtime.old; and rerun dpkg --configure -a; |
| 14:23.21 | ijk | you mean /etc/timezone? |
| 14:23.50 | dondelelcaro | yeah; try that. |
| 14:24.14 | ijk | woo, dpkgs running now! just configuring .... |
| 14:24.37 | ijk | exits with 0 for a change :D |
| 14:25.30 | ijk | wow, thanks very much! everything works now (as far as I can see). |
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| 14:26.08 | dondelelcaro | ijk: now you get to file a bug |
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| 14:27.01 | dondelelcaro | ijk: install reportbug, and file a bug against tzdata with severity important indicating that it doesn't properly handle a non-existant localtime; the trivial reproduction is to move away the localtime and run dpkg-reconfigure tzdata; |
| 14:27.26 | ijk | doing so :) |
| 14:27.31 | iBookteclo | Hello, where can find some online version of the Debian manpages ? http://manpages.debian.net/ is "under construction" or something |
| 14:27.38 | N1ckR | Hi, im about to install debian on my machine, currently using xfs, I have read that there are the odd power cut problem with xfs, is it worth me using ext3 instead ? |
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| 14:27.58 | flixil | hi |
| 14:28.06 | dondelelcaro | iBookteclo: whoever was maintaing that has stopped or is busy; best to check google. |
| 14:28.09 | abrotman | N1ckR: that's up to you |
| 14:28.37 | N1ckR | No horror stories of using xfs with debian then ? |
| 14:28.37 | iBookteclo | dondelelcaro: well yeah, its 10 minutes I'm searching with google, can't find any... I keep searching heh :) |
| 14:29.09 | dondelelcaro | iBookteclo: yeah, it may not exist |
| 14:29.21 | flixil | After installing debian, how can i go throw the steeps of network configuration again? |
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| 14:29.22 | abrotman | N1ckR: it's a kernel hting .. not a Debian thing |
| 14:29.51 | dondelelcaro | flixil: no real need to; if you want to change something, man 5 interfaces; and edit /etc/network/interfaces; it's pretty straight forward. |
| 14:30.15 | flixil | :) but is it possible? |
| 14:30.17 | N1ckR | abrotman, cheers, just checking, kernels do get patched and filesystem utils can be unstable. |
| 14:30.37 | abrotman | N1ckR: there's an old email from T'so about it discussing the issue |
| 14:30.39 | flixil | I know how to do it by hand |
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| 14:31.18 | abrotman | N1ckR: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/reiserfs.html |
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| 14:32.32 | abrotman | N1ckR: if you want to know if that issue still exists .. ask #kernel or #xfs |
| 14:33.20 | dondelelcaro | flixil: the installer setup is totally separate. You could use those scripts to completely regenerate the file, but they aren't built to take into account anything you've written to it. |
| 14:33.47 | flixil | dondelelcaro: i haven't changed anything since :) |
| 14:34.47 | N1ckR | abrotman, cheers dude, thats the exact issue I as on about, I have suffered that problem once before, but just assumed it applied to all journelling FS?es not just xfs |
| 14:35.26 | abrotman | N1ckR: i think just xfs and reiser .. but i'm not 100% sure .. i've always used ext3 when the data mattered |
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| 14:42.59 | Rebecca | hey, im trying to find my parallel port on a deb testing box... what should it appear as in /dev/? |
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| 14:43.18 | Rebecca | no /dev/lp* or /dev/parport* im confused |
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| 14:43.57 | rking | Rebecca: hrmm... are you sure the module (or builtin) is loaded? |
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| 14:44.41 | wintix | also make sure the port is enabled in the bios. |
| 14:44.44 | Rebecca | rking: ooh, good question.. how do i check |
| 14:44.47 | rking | do you have something in /proc/sys/dev/parport/parport0/* ? |
| 14:44.58 | Rebecca | wintix: just checked that. it is :) |
| 14:44.58 | N1ckR | abrotman, cheers, Im gonna stick to ext3 as its the default - I have plenty of drives about if I decide to change to xfs again. back late when ive installed :D |
| 14:45.08 | rking | lsmod | grep parport # should show a coupla things |
| 14:45.12 | abrotman | N1ckR: enjoy |
| 14:45.30 | Rebecca | parport_pc 31524 0 |
| 14:45.30 | Rebecca | parport 32200 1 parport_pc |
| 14:45.49 | rking | ok, that's right.. and /proc/... ? |
| 14:46.16 | Rebecca | debian:~# ls /proc/sys/dev/parport/parport0/ |
| 14:46.16 | Rebecca | autoprobe autoprobe0 autoprobe1 autoprobe2 autoprobe3 base-addr devices dma irq modes spintime |
| 14:46.37 | rking | i guess you just need to make the device node then |
| 14:46.44 | rking | cd /dev; ./MAKEDEV parport # i think |
| 14:46.46 | rking | as root |
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| 14:48.13 | Rebecca | rking: is that a permanent thing or will it need to be run every time i want to access the parport? as it does seem to have created the device file |
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| 14:48.28 | Rebecca | except in /dev/.static/dev/ |
| 14:48.46 | rking | Rebecca: just once, /dev/ is a persistent file system, and you're adding an entry to it |
| 14:49.08 | Rebecca | rking: so next reboot it will appear just in /dev/? |
| 14:49.15 | rking | Rebecca: yep |
| 14:49.20 | Rebecca | sweet. thanks :) |
| 14:49.38 | rking | Rebecca: i'm curious why it didn't already exist, though... on my (recent) install, it's just there. |
| 14:50.20 | Rebecca | rking: im running testing... and it's a minimal net install.. perhaps that's why..? |
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| 14:50.32 | triplc | how to know where the usb? i am using Etch, and i plug the ipod in, but i do not know what to mount... i trie /dev/sda, but it does not exist. please tell me how to locate that new storage. |
| 14:51.44 | asg | triplc: dmesg should tell you |
| 14:51.47 | rking | Rebecca: sounds pretty similar to mine |
| 14:51.53 | asg | triplc: also, /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 14:52.00 | rking | i don't know what stage of the install process creates those devices |
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| 14:52.56 | Rebecca | rking: well, you got it fixed, thankyou muchly :) |
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| 14:59.35 | sleon | hi |
| 14:59.50 | sleon | is it possible to tell pam_ldap to use two ldap servers?(to avoid single point of failure ) |
| 15:00.06 | blinx | I'm using NFS here in my home network |
| 15:00.16 | blinx | but if I want to mount something in the network on one computer, the mount process won't have any reaction |
| 15:00.21 | blinx | mount IP:/$path $mountpoint -> the process runs and runs, it has no end |
| 15:00.31 | blinx | in this case I hit CTRL and D or C until the process ends... |
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| 15:01.02 | blinx | after doing that a few times the nfs resource is mounted in the mountpoint |
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| 15:02.03 | mmlj4 | sleon: yes, you can upstream your ldap stuff... don't ask me how yet, i'm still reading the o'reilly book |
| 15:02.17 | blinx | why it takes so much time? |
| 15:02.23 | blinx | how can I fix that? |
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| 15:03.20 | blinx | no one an idea? |
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| 15:03.51 | sleon | mmlj4: the question is: does pam_ldap support selecting more then one ldap server |
| 15:04.01 | sleon | mmlj4: i think i will use dns round robing |
| 15:04.01 | Rebecca | rking: hey, while i can access the port in /dev/.static/dev/ it has not migrated to /dev/ after rebooting |
| 15:04.05 | mmlj4 | like i said... I don't know yet |
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| 15:08.45 | robin_sz | bah ... so I get Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect(), an a PHP app, but I do have the libphp4-mysql thing installed. What gives? |
| 15:09.02 | asg | robin_sz: was the extension enabled in /etc/php4/apache*/php.ini? |
| 15:09.32 | robin_sz | ahh, seems not |
| 15:10.05 | robin_sz | asg, wait ... maybe it is .. |
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| 15:10.15 | asg | robin_sz: give apache a restart for good measure. |
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| 15:10.45 | asg | robin_sz: also, verify with a '<?phpinfo():?> page that the extension is, in fact, configured. |
| 15:11.04 | robin_sz | asg, well there was lots of mysql.foo = bar stuff |
| 15:11.13 | robin_sz | but the mysql.so line was commented out |
| 15:11.18 | robin_sz | weird, it used to work |
| 15:11.20 | asg | robin_sz: there needs to be an 'extension=mysql.so' line uncommented |
| 15:11.37 | robin_sz | yeah, |
| 15:12.03 | asg | robin_sz: also, you are using this with apache and not with the php4-cgi (/usr/bin/php4) right? |
| 15:12.18 | robin_sz | asg, it is uncommented, I have restarted, no it still doesnt work |
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| 15:12.31 | robin_sz | asg, yeah, with apache |
| 15:12.39 | asg | robin_sz: one final thing that often needs to be done; clear your browser cache. |
| 15:13.10 | robin_sz | nope .. not that |
| 15:14.12 | robin_sz | ok. sorted, a restart rtaher than a reload ... |
| 15:14.37 | robin_sz | wierdly, it used to work before the sarge/etch upgrade ... |
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| 15:19.51 | Rebecca | how do i get something that's in /dev/.static/dev/. to exist in /dev/? |
| 15:19.59 | Rebecca | properly without symlinks |
| 15:20.05 | dondelelcaro | Rebecca: add a udev rule for it |
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| 15:20.48 | Rebecca | dondelelcaro: could you point me in the right direction for doing such a thing? |
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| 15:23.03 | abrotman | /usr/share/doc/udev/ |
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| 15:25.48 | Rebecca | is there a reason why a non root user can not access /dev/parport0 which is symlinked to /dev/.static/dev/parport0 and full read write permissions have been granted to said user? |
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| 15:33.55 | Bladerunner05 | Hi all I'm getting problem installing driver for nvidia 6150 who knows a good how to ? |
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| 15:34.38 | jelly-home | hm, will a cd iso image be bootable if I burn it to a dvd medium? |
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| 15:36.13 | abrotman | jelly-home: i'd imagine so |
| 15:39.43 | cast | jelly-home: yip. |
| 15:39.43 | cast | i do it from time to time |
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| 15:39.44 | jelly-home | great, saves me from having to buy cd media |
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| 15:40.49 | MarcoPau | hey, if my mouse freezes in X, is there any module I might try to remove and then reload? |
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| 15:41.32 | bkw | have you tried letting Xorg auto detecting your hardware? |
| 15:41.44 | abrotman | the mouse driver |
| 15:42.25 | MarcoPau | bkw: nope, what would I be supposed to do for that? |
| 15:42.59 | MarcoPau | abrotman: is it a module with the same name? |
| 15:43.42 | bkw | MarcoPau: backup, remove X11/Xorg.conf then simply run X or Xorg and see if it detects your mouse. |
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| 15:44.15 | MarcoPau | bkw: anyway the mouse works, but it happens to freeze, maybe once a week |
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| 15:44.19 | abrotman | MarcoPau: there are a few .. lsmod | grep mouse |
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| 15:44.49 | bkw | sounds weird, try another mouse. |
| 15:44.51 | confrey | hi everybody |
| 15:44.56 | MarcoPau | abrotman: yea I did that already, it shows usbmouse and psmouse, but the driver in xorg.conf is "mouse!" |
| 15:45.00 | MarcoPau | -! |
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| 15:45.20 | abrotman | MarcoPau: unload and reload both |
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| 15:46.01 | MarcoPau | abrotman: if I rmmod usbmouse the console will idle |
| 15:46.10 | abrotman | modprobe -r |
| 15:46.18 | abrotman | it will idle ?> |
| 15:46.32 | [hydra]_ | how would i take a program off the list that apt installs, what happened was i tried to install a program and it didn't get configured properly but now every time i run apt-get it runs through the dpkg --configure script even if thats not what i apt-get installed |
| 15:46.52 | yumanda | anyone know why my debian(etch) dont work with headphones? |
| 15:47.02 | confrey | I need help : I have a wifi USB Zydas, I put the firmware in /lib/firmware, messages tell me about an eth2 devices, but id doesn't work |
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| 15:47.31 | MarcoPau | abrotman: hold on I can't kill it |
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| 15:49.21 | en1gma | sup all |
| 15:49.36 | joakim | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:51.06 | en1gma | i usually have 4 sata drives in a raid0....everyonce in a while i format em (Western Digital Software) but this time i was thinking maybe i can do a long format in linux (all drives at the same time)...i want to wipe em out before i put the raid backtogather and format it again |
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| 15:53.07 | confrey | can anybody help me about wireless? |
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| 15:53.34 | tarzeau | abrotman: tried thunder&lightning yet? |
| 15:53.51 | abrotman | no |
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| 15:54.02 | MarcoPau | damn, had to reboot :-( |
| 15:54.21 | abrotman | en1gma: /msg dpkg dban |
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| 15:55.27 | en1gma | yea i just read about that app the other day |
| 15:55.43 | en1gma | but since these drives are 250gig each i would like to do em all 4 at the same time |
| 15:55.50 | en1gma | 1 at a time takes forever |
| 15:56.06 | abrotman | it's going to take the same sum time |
| 15:56.27 | en1gma | 4 at the same time would definately save alot of time |
| 15:57.00 | en1gma | 4 hard drives being wiped out would be 4 times quicker then 1 at a time |
| 15:57.13 | en1gma | i would think* |
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| 16:07.23 | edistar | hey |
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| 16:07.44 | edistar | can someone tell me how I set a static ip? somehow I can't find anything with google |
| 16:07.52 | tarzeau | abrotman: http://tnlgame.net/component/option,com_wrapper/Itemid,58/ |
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| 16:10.52 | edistar | noone here to help me? |
| 16:10.52 | RoyK | hi all. debian says it's got net-snmp v9, but http://net-snmp.sourceforge.net/download.html doesn't list anything > 5.4. any idea why? |
| 16:11.18 | pngwn | edistar, man route |
| 16:11.40 | edistar | pngwn: thanks... I'll have a look |
| 16:12.00 | cydork | edistar: actually check man interfaces |
| 16:12.43 | Wyzard | RoyK: Where do you see v9 for net-snmp? |
| 16:12.56 | Wyzard | RoyK: The version of the "snmp" package in unstable is 5.3.1-6 |
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| 16:13.43 | RoyK | ii libsnmp9 5.2.3-7 NET SNMP (Simple Network Management Protocol |
| 16:13.49 | RoyK | Wyzard: that's dpkg output |
| 16:13.50 | RoyK | oh |
| 16:13.54 | RoyK | :) |
| 16:13.54 | RoyK | ic |
| 16:14.03 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 16:14.09 | Wyzard | The 9 there is the ABI version, not the software version |
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| 16:14.32 | RoyK | I see |
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| 16:15.04 | ericjames | Hi everyone, could somebody point me in the direction to change the screen resolution of my login screen? |
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| 16:17.14 | nelf | I have a strange dselect issue (on stable) whereby I select 'vlc', and it marks it for installation, but it doesn't install it... |
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| 16:18.43 | nelf | Status: install ok not-installed, but it doesn't install it or mention it as held back or anything :( |
| 16:18.56 | nelf | It installs vlc-nox just fine |
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| 16:19.50 | cyzie | hello, i have a debian disk. is it possible if i can copy all the cd content to a http server then install the OS over the network? |
| 16:20.25 | RoyK | cyzie: just use scp or rsync or something, but copying over http isn't really the way |
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| 16:21.01 | cyzie | RoyK, but im looking either http or nfs, or ftp |
| 16:21.08 | cyzie | not scp nor rsync |
| 16:21.15 | edistar | another question... I have an interface... e.g. eth0, I want it to get ip via dhcp, but if dhcp is down it is supposed to take a static ip, how do I do that? |
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| 16:21.46 | RoyK | cyzie: nfs should be trivial. just mount the filesystems and copy |
| 16:22.39 | Amarande | hmm, maybe someone can explain to me |
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| 16:22.50 | Amarande | why does Wine need a 10MB .diff patch when debianized? |
| 16:22.52 | nelf | I can install it with apt-get, but when I run it, it segfaults with main private warning: cannot load module `/usr/lib/vlc/codec/libsdl_image_plugin.so' (/usr/lib/vlc/codec/libsdl_image_plugin.so: undefined symbol: SDL_RWFromConstMem) |
| 16:22.59 | Amarande | is the guy backporting stuff from .37 into .33? |
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| 16:24.25 | nelf | Which isn't helping my mellow sunday 'lets try out flac streaming with vlc' activities :( |
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| 16:25.43 | nelf | And is making me wonder whether I've got something odd going on with my sources.list |
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| 16:30.10 | quitte | hi. i'm having trouble finding the linux-kernel-headers archive on kernel.org. could someone remind me where their home is? |
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| 16:32.37 | nelf | Swapped debian archives, same problem with vlc segfaulting :( |
| 16:33.42 | Amarande | I'm talking sid sources, mind you, not stable |
| 16:33.54 | valdyn | quitte: kernel.org |
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| 16:34.33 | valdyn | Amarande: not any different for stable |
| 16:34.48 | Amarande | valdyn, like, Wine for instance. It's a 15.1MB source file ... and a 10MB diff |
| 16:35.02 | Amarande | I'm starting to wonder if this means using vanilla wine from source on debian will Break Things |
| 16:35.23 | quitte | valdyn: yes, but where on kernel.org? |
| 16:35.31 | valdyn | quitte: same place as the kernels |
| 16:35.37 | valdyn | quitte: exactly the same place as the kernels |
| 16:36.10 | Amarande | quitte, the kernel headers are part of the kernel source :) |
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| 16:37.03 | quitte | uhm no, they are not. at least not the headers that are spposed to be usedfor building the libc |
| 16:37.10 | valdyn | quitte: yes they are |
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| 16:37.27 | valdyn | quitte: you can verify this yourself: run 'apt-get source <packagename>' |
| 16:37.54 | valdyn | quitte: they're not identical, but they're contained in kernels |
| 16:37.55 | quitte | valdyn: i already did. feel free to verify yourself: apt-get source linux-kernel-headers |
| 16:38.03 | valdyn | quitte: grabs a kernel |
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| 16:38.38 | quitte | valdyn it also says in the source package where it comes from bitkeepr archive of the linux-kernel-headers. and no it does not fetch a kernel |
| 16:38.39 | valdyn | quitte: oh, im wrong, this is only true for new headers |
| 16:38.43 | artagnon | isn't the vmware server on the Etch repositories? |
| 16:38.48 | Amarande | sid guy seems pretty bent on not skipping any versions in wine :| |
| 16:38.50 | Kemical | just tried debian first time after years of using slackware and wanted to say its freaking awsome, thanks to everyone for great os, i'm hooked |
| 16:38.56 | Amarande | .37 is out, and he gave us .32 then .33 |
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| 16:39.30 | quitte | valdyn: they actually switched back? i'm pretty sure they moved to the linux-kernel-headers as a seperate thing sometime in th early 2.6 stage |
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| 16:40.23 | valdyn | quitte: primary source is always the linux kernel source tree, but debian obviously used the work of a 3rd party doing the sanitising of those headers |
| 16:40.24 | Saint-Takeshi | Kemical: i did that the other way around.....slack is VERY...uhm...how shall we say, by-geeks-for-geeks? an awful headful for a semi-experienced user |
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| 16:41.28 | Saint-Takeshi | Debian has wizards for most things, which is nice, but still lets you do things the hard way if you want to feel like every app you get working is a victory. |
| 16:41.30 | quitte | valdyn: sorry but that's not true. I read in a lot of mails in the lkml that you are not supposed to link against the headers that come with the kernel at all, but use the linux-kernel-heeaders instead |
| 16:41.43 | justin | Saint-Takeshi: I'd say 'for-masochists' ;) |
| 16:41.44 | valdyn | quitte: that's _right_ |
| 16:41.52 | valdyn | quitte: doesnt make wrong what i said ) |
| 16:42.37 | Amarande | Saint-Takeshi: "is a victory, or if you want to actually use wine effectively" |
| 16:43.33 | Kemical | saint-takeshi: well i love it i think its better for productivity to use debian, u can concentrate on using linux to do things for u |
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| 16:44.12 | valdyn | quitte: ok, i didnt find the source, however: Earlier headers for the libc needed the manual work of someone to extract a sanitised version from linux source trees. Now in new kernels getting sanitised headers is onlyt a matter of running 'make headers_install' |
| 16:44.19 | Saint-Takeshi | Kemical: yeah, Debian's great, it's my kind of "home" distro, the one i use when i'm NOT experimenting... |
| 16:44.20 | nitro4ce | is it possible to run the e WM under gnome? |
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| 16:44.36 | artagnon | isn't the vmware server on the Etch repositories? |
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| 16:44.50 | quitte | valdyn: while new is newer than 2.6.13 i suppose? |
| 16:45.02 | valdyn | quitte: newer than 2.6.18 |
| 16:45.08 | Saint-Takeshi | artagnon: should be somewhere, it certainly used to be... |
| 16:45.09 | quitte | ugh? |
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| 16:45.32 | quitte | any idea where i can find the sources that debian used for 2.6.13 headers? |
| 16:45.48 | Saint-Takeshi | artagnon: if you canny find it, just try'n find the *.deb on the web somewhere |
| 16:45.50 | valdyn | quitte: oh, you dont need upstream for that, check sdn |
| 16:45.50 | nitro4ce | is it possible to run the enlightenment Window Manager under gnome? |
| 16:45.51 | valdyn | !sdn |
| 16:45.51 | dpkg | sdn is probably go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is largely lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 16:45.59 | artagnon | Saint-Takeshi: I meant Lenny, sorry |
| 16:46.01 | quitte | thanks |
| 16:46.05 | artagnon | Saint-Takeshi: and I can't find it |
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| 16:46.12 | test_ | how do i make ctrl+t open the current site in the new tab , right now it only opens a blank page in the new tab |
| 16:46.57 | quitte | sorry for insisting you are wrong. but it got me up to date about this matter. |
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| 16:47.21 | Saint-Takeshi | orinstall using the binary off the VMware site? |
| 16:47.29 | valdyn | test_: ctrl-t and alt-left ? |
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| 16:48.17 | test_ | ? |
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| 16:48.46 | justin | test_: why would you want to open the current site in a new tab? |
| 16:48.47 | valdyn | vmware? that doesnt need sanitised headers but they 'real' ones? |
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| 16:50.14 | test_ | justin, i just do! |
| 16:50.26 | justin | test_: why? |
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| 16:50.36 | test_ | justin, would you make that feature for me ? |
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| 16:51.07 | justin | test_: why would you want to open the current site in a new tab? |
| 16:51.17 | test_ | it isnt importenet i just want it |
| 16:51.25 | test_ | if it isnt possible then that's a different issue |
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| 16:53.22 | en1gma | hey all i got the debian 4.0 amd64 cd that lets you install kde instead of gnome i want to get the i386 version |
| 16:53.27 | en1gma | i cant seem to find it |
| 16:53.42 | valdyn | en1gma: why cant you? |
| 16:53.45 | wintix | did you even look? |
| 16:53.53 | en1gma | yea you want the link where im at |
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| 16:53.59 | Talaturen | hi, what do I have to do to get sound working? |
| 16:54.05 | en1gma | http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/debian-cd/4.0_r0/?fl= |
| 16:54.07 | Amarande | what do you mean "that lets you install KDE instead of Gnome"? |
| 16:54.10 | nvz | make noise |
| 16:54.12 | Amarande | Debian supports both, fully. |
| 16:54.16 | en1gma | there is a kde version |
| 16:54.22 | Amarande | Besides, you'll probably end up installing the main libs for both of them, anyhow |
| 16:54.25 | en1gma | INSTEAD of gnome |
| 16:54.33 | Amarande | Even if you use KDE, chances are you're going to need GTK. :) |
| 16:54.44 | en1gma | someone in here gave me links before |
| 16:54.48 | wintix | en1gma: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/ |
| 16:54.55 | en1gma | to the KDE version? |
| 16:55.09 | valdyn | en1gma: its the same place as the amd64 version, if you replace amd64 with i386 in the url |
| 16:55.18 | en1gma | that IS NOT THE KDE |
| 16:55.23 | en1gma | kde says it in its name |
| 16:55.26 | wintix | en1gma: you didn't even look |
| 16:55.34 | en1gma | you said replace it |
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| 16:55.36 | qiyong | on smp, why my top doesn't show all the cpus? |
| 16:55.50 | wintix | en1gma: if kde is in it's name, it will install kde |
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| 16:55.56 | wintix | qiyong: press 1 |
| 16:55.59 | test_ | find text feature in firefox , how do i make it so it wont automaticly scroll down to text as it is typed? |
| 16:55.59 | Ash-Fox | I see a distribution, not KDE |
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| 16:56.02 | valdyn | quitte: hit c ( or C ) |
| 16:56.04 | en1gma | thats what im looking for |
| 16:56.10 | qiyong | wintix, L or one? |
| 16:56.11 | justin | helps to look |
| 16:56.15 | en1gma | looking |
| 16:56.19 | wintix | qiyong: one |
| 16:56.39 | qiyong | wintix, thanks |
| 16:56.41 | en1gma | yep thats it |
| 16:56.42 | en1gma | thanks |
| 16:57.08 | qiyong | wintix, i read the man, and pressed L last week :( |
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| 16:57.34 | roxy_ | are there any sys adm that build deb package for their conf file. Say you are responsable for a apache site. You create a package that depends of all the .deb you need and add the conf file for your sites. |
| 16:57.52 | roxy_ | Is it too much hassle or worth the effort ? |
| 16:58.26 | dondelelcaro | roxy_: depends on how static the conf files are |
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| 17:00.32 | broadcaster | hi! where is this page again, where you can check why package X is not yet in testing and so on? (contains a list of packages it is waiting for and stuff...) |
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| 17:01.35 | roxy_ | dondelelcaro: would need to be change when change is made to the application. I am thinking of doing this to have a very quick recovery in case of failure. Instead of rebuilding the system and then getting the conf out of subversion. |
| 17:02.37 | vin` | broadcaster: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl |
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| 17:04.40 | wols_ | !why is libc6 not in testing |
| 17:04.40 | dpkg | libc6 is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=libc6 |
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| 17:07.12 | broadcaster | vin`: thanxalot |
| 17:07.46 | dondelelcaro | roxy_: well, you may just want to have a package that pulls the configuration out of subversion for you |
| 17:08.04 | dondelelcaro | roxy_: then you could have that package depend on the appropriate other packages and set debconf values as appropriate as well |
| 17:08.12 | dondelelcaro | roxy_: either approach is workable though |
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| 17:09.09 | WP-Gast396 | why |
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| 17:13.36 | bokey | what's a fast and work-out-of-the-box console based rss reader ? |
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| 17:21.07 | Fetrovsky | how do I deinstall a package? |
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| 17:21.43 | yosef_ | Fetrovsky: apt-get remove? |
| 17:21.46 | bokey | Fetrovsky, apt-get remove package; man apt; |
| 17:21.51 | bokey | Fetrovsky, apt-get remove package; man apt-get; |
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| 17:21.54 | Fetrovsky | ahh :) |
| 17:21.56 | epp | i have a directory with a bunch of php files, how do i search through them using grep for the following: http://emupedia.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4525 |
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| 17:22.02 | Fetrovsky | thanks |
| 17:22.33 | bokey | epp, egrep "what_your_looking" *.php |
| 17:23.26 | epp | bokey: thanks man |
| 17:23.37 | roxy_ | dondelelcaro: good ideas, thanks |
| 17:23.40 | bokey | epp, see bunch of options on egrep as well. |
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| 17:25.12 | nitro4ce | how do i change my WM? using gnome. |
| 17:25.31 | nitro4ce | i want to change metacity for enlioghtenment |
| 17:26.11 | bokey | nitro4ce, install enlightment. press ALT+Backspace. login |
| 17:26.49 | jelly-home | bokey: I think he wants to keep Gnome, just change the wm. |
| 17:27.05 | bokey | jelly-home, :) |
| 17:27.26 | jelly-home | bokey: I don't have Gnome here, what does alt-Backspace do? |
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| 17:28.05 | bokey | jelly-home, logs out from the session |
| 17:28.36 | nitro4ce | bokey: is it safe to uninstall metacity? |
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| 17:29.38 | frankr | Hi I'm in unstable; just did an apt-get update and installed something and it upgraded a whole bunch more packages; now gtk can't seem to find a different engine (murrine) - even after apt-get remove gtk2-engines-murrine and reinstalling it |
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| 17:29.46 | bokey | nitro4ce, if you want it keep it. get rid of it if you don't want it. |
| 17:29.52 | frankr | (twf:3526): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "murrine", |
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| 17:30.02 | bokey | nitro4ce, gnome uses it AFAIK |
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| 17:31.20 | nitro4ce | bokey> metacity is listed in session - current session.. |
| 17:31.42 | bokey | nitro4ce, keeping it woun't hurt |
| 17:31.47 | nitro4ce | ok |
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| 17:32.18 | bokey | nitro4ce, also make sure you check enlightment when you start in your kdm/gdm |
| 17:32.30 | grumbel | what was the name of the program that searched for unused installed packages? |
| 17:32.50 | frankr | I guess I could try compiling it from source.. |
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| 17:34.04 | jelly-home | bokey: a stupid way to change it could be to kill metacity in the current session, run e from a term or menu, then edit the current session bit for e to make it restart every time. |
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| 17:34.18 | nitro4ce | bokey> nope. e donsnt start |
| 17:34.28 | frankr | (twf:8483): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "murrine", what is "module_path" that this refers to? I can see the correct .so files in /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines but twf still says it cannot find them |
| 17:34.34 | bokey | nitro4ce, did you select enlightment as the current session ? |
| 17:34.34 | nitro4ce | bokey> metacity is started instead |
| 17:34.53 | bokey | nitro4ce, when you login from gdm/kdm you need to select enlightment |
| 17:35.07 | nitro4ce | <bokey> oh |
| 17:35.11 | nitro4ce | <bokey> lets see |
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| 17:40.02 | nitro4ce | >bokey: :( |
| 17:40.19 | nitro4ce | >bokey: i just want the WM |
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| 17:40.21 | jelly-home | nitro4ce: the guys in ##gnome say there's a WINDOW_MANAGER env. variable too. |
| 17:40.42 | jelly-home | nitro4ce: also, a stupid way to change it could be to kill metacity in the current session, run e from a term or menu, then edit the current session bit for e to make it restart every time. |
| 17:40.45 | bokey | nitro4ce, try ewhat jelly-home says |
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| 17:43.13 | nitro4ce | <jelly-home> did the gnome guys tell you where to change the variable WINDOW_MANAGER ? |
| 17:43.32 | nitro4ce | where is that variable located i mean |
| 17:44.10 | jelly-home | nitro4ce: I've no idea where to put it though, and can't try it out at present. Best to ask them. |
| 17:44.16 | ceebee | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:44.29 | ceebee | exec blabla |
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| 17:44.33 | jelly-home | I strongly suspect Gnome doesn't care about .xinitrc |
| 17:44.33 | kubrick | hi |
| 17:44.34 | nitro4ce | <jelly-home> sure. thanks a lot for the quick answers. |
| 17:44.42 | ceebee | *gg* k |
| 17:45.02 | jelly-home | nitro4ce: had a lot of "fun" trying to make beryl the default wm the other day :-) |
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| 17:45.23 | kubrick | if I want to upgrade from testing to sid, I just need main, non-free and contrib repositories, isnt it? |
| 17:45.25 | Amarande | bah, beryl's still not even in sid yet |
| 17:45.29 | kubrick | I dont need sid/updates |
| 17:45.41 | valdyn | kubrick: right, sid/updates is pointless |
| 17:46.01 | Amarande | exactly, with sid, get used to your experience being like driving on I-678 |
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| 17:46.47 | kubrick | valdyn: oki |
| 17:46.48 | nitro4ce | jelly-home> cool :) btw it is not that hard. beryl comes with a tray menu (beryl-settings i think) there u can change the wm |
| 17:47.16 | valdyn | gnome-session-properties works too |
| 17:47.58 | jelly-home | nitro4ce: yeah, but if you look carefully, Gnome starts metacity, then beryl-manager starts and takes over with its own WM setting. Which is dumb. |
| 17:48.31 | nitro4ce | <jelly-home> lol yes metacity must be disabled from boot |
| 17:48.53 | Amarande | how did metacity get chosen as the GNOME WM, anyway |
| 17:48.56 | Amarande | why not, say, WM |
| 17:49.01 | Amarande | which half the themes are for, anyway |
| 17:49.18 | valdyn | Amarande: window maker? |
| 17:49.25 | Amarande | Yah. |
| 17:49.30 | valdyn | Amarande: that's gnustep |
| 17:49.53 | valdyn | Amarande: adding a whole new gui library in a whole new programming language to gnome... uh |
| 17:50.27 | valdyn | Amarande: that wasnt even properly themeable at the time |
| 17:50.31 | Amarande | or enlightenment |
| 17:50.38 | Amarande | wasn't enlightenment originally the WM for GNOME? |
| 17:50.42 | valdyn | no |
| 17:51.03 | bokey | all he probably had to do was type "enlightment" in his console jelly-home :) |
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| 17:51.28 | concept10 | Should I umount my NTFS part using regular ntfs driver before mounting with ntfs-3g? Is this necessary? |
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| 17:52.19 | jelly-home | bokey: having to do stuff from a term sucks. |
| 17:52.24 | frankr | concept10, yes |
| 17:52.41 | bokey | heh |
| 17:52.52 | jelly-home | bokey: ... if the stuff is related to GUI settings, that it. |
| 17:53.35 | bokey | concept10, mount, then unmount. umount then mount. that's how sane person would do it |
| 17:53.46 | yosef | Hi, I have problem, I'm using the sound coverter to covert the amr sound file to mp3, when I click covert, it's creating mp3 file with 0 bytes size, someone can Help me? |
| 17:54.12 | bokey | yosef, do you have permission to write file on that directory ? |
| 17:54.15 | eltopo | hi |
| 17:54.18 | BankHead | yo |
| 17:54.19 | maelvino | hi |
| 17:54.43 | bokey | !hi |
| 17:54.44 | dpkg | hello, bokey |
| 17:54.46 | Amarande | hmm |
| 17:54.47 | bokey | :) |
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| 17:54.53 | yosef | bokey: I creat it fromt he preferance of the soundcoverter |
| 17:54.54 | Amarande | anyone know a program on debian that supports lightscribe disc labeling? |
| 17:55.01 | drkvg | any clue on what's happening to kernel.org? |
| 17:55.10 | Amarande | or does that need kernel support that's not there yet? |
| 17:55.13 | valdyn | drkvg: its slow as usual? |
| 17:55.18 | sparr | Is there any way to make bash (or some other shell) expand wildcards in the order the files are present on the drive? |
| 17:55.20 | drkvg | valdyn: I get a blank page |
| 17:55.26 | yosef | bokey: I try of another folder, the same |
| 17:55.29 | valdyn | drkvg: tried www2.kernel.org? |
| 17:55.51 | drkvg | valdyn: doesn't help |
| 17:56.01 | valdyn | drkvg: yea, broken |
| 17:56.02 | yosef | bokey: it's creating files, But 0 bytes size |
| 17:56.05 | ofirg_ | anyone know how exim should be configured under debian? which is the config file? |
| 17:56.13 | drkvg | it's been a few hours already - quite unusal |
| 17:56.20 | bokey | yosef, hrm... so you are using a software to sth to mp3 ? |
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| 17:56.31 | bokey | encode i mean yosef |
| 17:56.34 | valdyn | ofirg_: you run dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
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| 17:56.58 | frankr | uh oh I just apt-get update and apt-get upgrade'd and it was upgrading libc6 |
| 17:57.17 | ofirg_ | valdyn, dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config is very basic configuration |
| 17:57.27 | yosef | bokey: the told here http://soundconverter.berlios.de/gstreamer-mp3-encoding-howto/ isntall the gstreamer-lame-10 to enable mp3 encoding |
| 17:57.28 | valdyn | ofirg_: yes, i know |
| 17:57.38 | yosef | bokey: *they |
| 17:57.46 | valdyn | ofirg_: for not-so-basic configuration, read the documentation |
| 17:58.29 | ofirg_ | valdyn, so... exim4 should be most extensible.. but from all the autoconfigs I don't understant what I am supposed to do |
| 17:58.34 | yosef | bokey: i try it with to OOG file, the same things happened, it's creating files with 0 size |
| 17:58.46 | bokey | yosef, so what format is that file you are trying to convert to mp3 ? |
| 17:58.53 | valdyn | ofirg_: i cant read the documenation for you |
| 17:59.10 | yosef | bokey: the amr file, common on nokia mobile phones |
| 17:59.31 | ofirg_ | valdyn, I didn't ask you to |
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| 18:00.03 | bokey | yosef, hrm |
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| 18:00.34 | ofirg_ | valdyn, I need an answer from someone who knows the strait answer |
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| 18:00.50 | valdyn | ofirg_: uh, heh |
| 18:00.59 | valdyn | ofirg_: edit the files you need to change in /etc/exim4/ |
| 18:01.02 | ofirg_ | valdyn, or I could rewrite exim and the debian package for it |
| 18:01.09 | valdyn | ofirg_: that wont get your around reading the docs |
| 18:01.14 | ofirg_ | valdyn, whatever comes first |
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| 18:01.33 | valdyn | ofirg_: sure, rewrite exim4, saves you reading |
| 18:01.33 | vchrizz_ | is there a wlan gui client i can scan and connect to networks found? |
| 18:02.02 | timthelion | is there a noninteractive cli util for modifying the alsa volume? alsamixer isn't very usefull when trying to use xbindkeys |
| 18:02.20 | nivanson | vchrizz, network-manager |
| 18:02.25 | valdyn | timthelion: amixer |
| 18:02.40 | ofirg_ | valdyn, I hope someone who knows will emerge |
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| 18:03.55 | piztek3 | does anyone here know how to install AWM? |
| 18:04.27 | valdyn | piztek3: awm being what? |
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| 18:05.34 | en1gma | when i click a link in konv how do i make it open iceweasel instead of konq |
| 18:05.41 | en1gma | i cant ever seem to find that setting |
| 18:05.50 | valdyn | en1gma: konv? |
| 18:05.55 | en1gma | konversation |
| 18:05.56 | ipso | Does Debian have a way to verify packages installed on the server like RPM does? It looks like I had some data corruption and now I need to do a check. |
| 18:06.13 | valdyn | ipso: debsums |
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| 18:06.36 | vchrizz_ | nivanson: ive got network-manager installed but dont know the command to run it.. i dont have it in the gnome menu |
| 18:06.51 | valdyn | vchrizz_: that's a daemon, you dont run that at all |
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| 18:07.07 | valdyn | vchrizz_: there's network-manager-gnome that interfaces with network-manager, run 'nm-applet' |
| 18:07.13 | piztek3 | valdyn: avanti window navigator |
| 18:07.22 | piztek3 | valdyn: it's like a mac osx bar |
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| 18:07.31 | piztek3 | but i get this like compile error |
| 18:07.36 | piztek3 | that i dont know how to address |
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| 18:07.45 | ipso | valdyn: thanks |
| 18:07.45 | roxy_ | en1gma: that's a kde setting |
| 18:07.55 | en1gma | oh ok |
| 18:08.05 | en1gma | no wonder i couldnt find it i was looking in the wrong area |
| 18:08.10 | valdyn | ipso: if you run gnome-session-save after, it should autostart on next login |
| 18:08.20 | roxy_ | en1gma: try control center or #kde |
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| 18:08.33 | ipso | valdyn: if I do find some issues, is there a easy way to re-install an already installed (but corrupted) package? |
| 18:08.48 | valdyn | ipso: apt-get install --reinstall package |
| 18:08.56 | ipso | valdyn: Thanks. |
| 18:11.01 | en1gma | k thanks |
| 18:11.31 | en1gma | is there a K-menu shortcut cause for some reason my taskbar is gone and i cant restart x cause im zeroing out my hard drives |
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| 18:13.33 | Saint-Takeshi | does linux have it own, native network filesharing protocol, or are you just meant to use samba? |
| 18:13.44 | yumanda | anyone know why my debian(etch) dont work with headphones? |
| 18:13.49 | Saint-Takeshi | been wondering for a while now... |
| 18:13.58 | Kevin` | Saint-Takeshi unix has nfs and several other protocols you can use |
| 18:14.08 | roxy_ | en1gma: doesn't left-click on the desktop work ? |
| 18:14.18 | Saint-Takeshi | yumanda: try running alsaconf? |
| 18:14.21 | en1gma | let me check |
| 18:15.09 | Saint-Takeshi | yumanda: or fidgeting with the mixer? |
| 18:15.52 | Saint-Takeshi | Kevin: isn't nfs the Mac one? |
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| 18:17.18 | yumanda | Saint-Takeshi: i'll try |
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| 18:18.21 | Saint-Takeshi | g-arhg! still having trouble getting my dreamcast emulator configured...anyone know how to remove a device that doesn't exist? (/dev/js0 claims to be a 4-axis, 4-button joystick, but i don't have one of those, it's been there since before i had a pad connected at all :s) is there a way to figure which module is loaded for it and remove it? |
| 18:18.24 | gonzaloaf | jelly-home, theres no other app than DVDShrink to do this ? |
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| 18:19.07 | yumanda | Saint-Takeshi: but how to run alsaconf? |
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| 18:19.29 | bluesceada | hi |
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| 18:19.44 | bluesceada | how can i give root the possibility to run x programs from a terminal in the xserver |
| 18:19.50 | nzk | Are there any gui ftp fileservers |
| 18:19.55 | bluesceada | it worked in gentoo... but debian seems a bit more restricted |
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| 18:20.06 | bluesceada | so i need to setup something.... couldnd fit out what :S |
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| 18:20.18 | Saint-Takeshi | yumanda: just type "alsaconf" in a terminal, or in the Alt+F2 dialogue |
| 18:20.27 | Saint-Takeshi | no, wait, in a root terminal |
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| 18:21.41 | bluesceada | hm |
| 18:22.09 | morvok | is it safe to roll back an etch kernel to 2.6.11? |
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| 18:22.28 | yumanda | yumanda@fon:~$ sudo alsaconf |
| 18:22.28 | yumanda | sudo: alsaconf: command not found |
| 18:22.28 | yumanda | yumanda@fon:~$ |
| 18:22.28 | yumanda | yumanda@fon:~$ sudo alsaconf |
| 18:22.28 | yumanda | sudo: alsaconf: command not found |
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| 18:23.16 | ceebee | login as as root, export the display, allow from that user with xhost+ bla the access to the display, start as root the appication :} |
| 18:23.28 | bluesceada | umm |
| 18:23.29 | bluesceada | ok i try |
| 18:23.49 | bluesceada | which display :S |
| 18:23.56 | bluesceada | 0:0 is the default first? |
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| 18:24.14 | ceebee | jep |
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| 18:24.47 | yumanda | but when i type sudo alsaconf, it says command not found |
| 18:24.47 | bluesceada | then "xhost root" ? |
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| 18:24.56 | bluesceada | hm no :S |
| 18:25.21 | ceebee | *ggg* |
| 18:25.22 | bluesceada | i hate manpages without examples :S |
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| 18:26.04 | amphi | bluesceada: patch the manpages ;) |
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| 18:26.52 | jelly-home | hmm |
| 18:26.59 | Bagoor | I get this error, when I want to start proftpd (Debian Etch 4.0 Stable) : Fatal: unknown configuration directive 'SQLAuthTypes' on line 82 of '/etc/proftpd/proftpd.conf' |
| 18:26.59 | jelly-home | !wayttd bluesceada |
| 18:26.59 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, bluesceada? |
| 18:27.11 | ceebee | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:27.27 | bluesceada | be able to start graphical applications with root user |
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| 18:27.35 | bluesceada | from a terminal in X of a user |
| 18:27.42 | jelly-home | bluesceada: use gksu or gksudo |
| 18:27.45 | bluesceada | debian is restricted in that way |
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| 18:27.54 | bluesceada | jelly-home: but from terminal :/ |
| 18:27.54 | Eulex | Bagoor, fix your proftpd config? |
| 18:28.01 | jelly-home | bluesceada: yes, from terminal. |
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| 18:28.08 | bluesceada | works standard in gentoo |
| 18:28.12 | Bagoor | Eulex: ? |
| 18:28.13 | bluesceada | jelly-home: from a root terminaL! |
| 18:28.28 | bluesceada | no additional password bla |
| 18:28.29 | jelly-home | bluesceada: nope, from a user terminal. :-) |
| 18:28.29 | Kevin` | bluesceada you can allow root to login graphically, but it's usually unwise to do so |
| 18:28.37 | ceebee | debian is not not restricted in this way i think so |
| 18:28.38 | bluesceada | jelly-home: but i want to be able from a root terminal -.- |
| 18:28.39 | Eulex | bluesceada, sudo blah, alternatively su -, enter password, blah. |
| 18:28.44 | bluesceada | Kevin`: i dont want to do that |
| 18:28.50 | bluesceada | -.- |
| 18:28.57 | Eulex | Bagoor, there are errors in your proftpd config. correct them? |
| 18:29.01 | bluesceada | i have following: terminal running with root logged in |
| 18:29.05 | jelly-home | bluesceada: so pass it some nice XAUTHORITY and DISPLAY env. variables. |
| 18:29.14 | bluesceada | on a xserver which is "owned" by a user |
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| 18:29.27 | bluesceada | it works without having to setup anything in some other distros |
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| 18:29.35 | bluesceada | so debian must have some restriction settings |
| 18:29.44 | Bagoor | Eulex: It said there is no SQLAuthTypes directive ! But there is ... What should I replace it with ? |
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| 18:30.03 | jelly-home | bluesceada: no, they have some additional stuff set up. How are you starting your root terminal? |
| 18:30.16 | bluesceada | jelly-home: user terminal + "su -" |
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| 18:31.10 | Eulex | bluesceada, try 'su' |
| 18:31.21 | lexoplex | What's the recommended way to configure the fonts GTK2 uses? I'd like to turn off e.g. anti-aliasing. |
| 18:31.24 | bluesceada | ok wait... |
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| 18:31.57 | jelly-home | Eulex: su doesn't set $XAUTHORITY, and does not keep $HOME. |
| 18:32.04 | bluesceada | Eulex: still doesnt work |
| 18:32.06 | cahoot | use sux? |
| 18:32.24 | lexoplex | (I don't have Gnome installed.) |
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| 18:32.27 | bluesceada | connection refused ... |
| 18:32.31 | pipeline | lexoplex: gnome-font-properties |
| 18:32.32 | Eulex | jelly-home, works here... |
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| 18:32.56 | pipeline | lexoplex: Eh, that's a bad decision. xftrc and gtk2rc are a pain in the ass. |
| 18:33.21 | jelly-home | Eulex: hm. plain su doesn't work here. |
| 18:33.24 | Eulex | jelly-home, and su does keep both those environment here. |
| 18:33.32 | Eulex | *environment variables |
| 18:34.01 | Eulex | while su - throws them away |
| 18:34.32 | lexoplex | pipeline: I see. What a shame. |
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| 18:34.47 | cahoot | bluesceada: sux is out of the question? |
| 18:34.54 | Eulex | bluesceada, in any case, try out sux as cahoot suggested. sudo might also be useful. |
| 18:34.57 | bluesceada | cahoot: what is that |
| 18:35.00 | jelly-home | Eulex: probably my environment then, I have a non-default root shell and funkiness in rc files |
| 18:35.02 | bluesceada | but found out: |
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| 18:35.17 | bluesceada | i just do "xhost +" as a user |
| 18:35.27 | bluesceada | then run the program and do "xhost -" afterwards |
| 18:35.30 | jelly-home | bluesceada: but, like Eulex says, "su -" is _supposed_ not to work |
| 18:35.34 | cahoot | bluesceada: or (as user) export XAUTHORITY=~/.Xauthority |
| 18:35.35 | Eulex | bluesceada, umh. don't. that's a security hazard. |
| 18:35.36 | bluesceada | how "open" is the server when doing "xhost +" ? |
| 18:35.42 | bluesceada | ok i thought so :S |
| 18:35.52 | Eulex | bluesceada, very open, anyone might connect |
| 18:35.58 | bluesceada | ok |
| 18:36.13 | jelly-home | bluesceada: xhost + allows any user with access to your X socket to do anything to your X session. |
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| 18:36.23 | bluesceada | okay, not fine |
| 18:36.35 | jelly-home | bluesceada: using default Debian settings, this means any local users. |
| 18:36.45 | ceebee | only for the current session |
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| 18:38.25 | bluesceada | jelly-home: it should be just root .. hm |
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| 18:39.27 | jelly-home | !info sux |
| 18:39.32 | dpkg | sux: (wrapper around su which will transfer your X credentials), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.0.1-3.2 (sid), Packaged size: 8 kB, Installed size: 64 kB |
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| 18:43.19 | bluesceada | jelly-home: ok i'll use that |
| 18:43.24 | bluesceada | i rarely need it anyway |
| 18:43.26 | bluesceada | thanks.. |
| 18:43.28 | ceebee | jelly-home: what what you do with an oracle de/installation five tausend kilometers away? |
| 18:43.39 | bluesceada | just wonder how other distros are doing it hm |
| 18:43.45 | ceebee | ssh -X |
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| 18:44.21 | ceebee | blaa, debian is is same like all others |
| 18:45.51 | bluesceada | ? |
| 18:45.52 | jelly-home | ceebee: our DBA had some problems installing 10g over ssh -X |
| 18:46.15 | jelly-home | ceebee: went for XDMCP in the end |
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| 18:47.13 | ceebee | jelly-home: i am not a dba and i have no problems to doing this |
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| 18:48.01 | jelly-home | ceebee: just saying. I've never had to install the bugger, so it's not an issue for me. :-) |
| 18:48.42 | ceebee | *g* k |
| 18:48.45 | jelly-home | ... not that installing Oracle is topical here |
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| 18:49.51 | ceebee | the same is any x application |
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| 18:51.52 | ceebee | cygwin can cause many problems |
| 18:52.10 | ceebee | i dont use cygwin anymore |
| 18:52.31 | ceebee | unix to unix is just fine |
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| 18:53.12 | ipso | Did Debian used to have a different bug system? I'm trying to find bug 2691 from last year, but the current bug system says that doesn't exist |
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| 18:53.21 | ipso | http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-bugs/2006-10/msg00090.php |
| 18:53.25 | JosefAssad | Hi. |
| 18:53.51 | bluesceada | hmm |
| 18:54.06 | JosefAssad | I am looking at exim; if I understand matters correctly, /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated is the actual rc it uses, but that is autogenerated from what is in /etc/exim4/. Is that right? |
| 18:54.09 | bluesceada | maybe anyone can point me to a straightforward suspend-to-crypted-swap howto? |
| 18:54.29 | bluesceada | so far just /home is crypted |
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| 18:55.22 | rares000 | is it possible to use php with something other than apache-prefork |
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| 18:57.17 | jelly-home | rares000: cgi, fastcgi? :-) |
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| 19:00.02 | _Rubyxx | If I have saved root settings for a session,how do I turn it off and stay logged in for the rest of the session? |
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| 19:03.23 | joo_- | what is the url for the universe packets? |
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| 19:03.42 | mrsn0 | debian doesn't use 'universe' joo_- |
| 19:03.47 | mrsn0 | it uses main / contrib / non-free |
| 19:03.48 | elik | Hi, I'm currently on etch, and know that etch has recently been released. A friend of mine told me that etch always stayed in testing state? I wondered if I was currently on release or testing repositories |
| 19:04.02 | joo_- | aha |
| 19:04.03 | joo_- | i see |
| 19:04.19 | mrsn0 | elik 'etch' is stable now, it was the previous 'testing' before sarge the previous stable moved to old stable |
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| 19:04.27 | mrsn0 | new testing is called lenny |
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| 19:04.38 | joo_- | deb http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/ etch non-free |
| 19:04.41 | joo_- | will it be like that? |
| 19:04.48 | elik | Thank you mrsn0 |
| 19:05.04 | mrsn0 | your welcome elik |
| 19:05.38 | mrsn0 | joo_- yes but with 1 space between etch non-free |
| 19:05.42 | mrsn0 | it seems you have 2 spaces |
| 19:05.53 | joo_- | thanks |
| 19:05.54 | joo_- | :) |
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| 19:05.57 | mrsn0 | you can browse http://packages.debian.org to see wher your package resides |
| 19:06.21 | abc5 | hi all, I try this "adduser example_a" |
| 19:06.44 | abc5 | where can I change NAME_REGEX ? |
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| 19:07.17 | joo_- | How can i check if a packet has been removed from the tree? |
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| 19:08.26 | mrsn0 | see if its listed in http://packages.qa.debian.org/ joo_- |
| 19:08.37 | joo_- | ok thanks |
| 19:08.37 | joo_- | :) |
| 19:09.08 | Eulex | hello, I've got a user here whose xorg has a nice value of 0 by default. I know that you used to be able to change the nice value by running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, but that doesn't seem to be the case now. how do you change it now? or isn't this change required anymore? |
| 19:09.40 | blinx | I have a plantronics headset |
| 19:09.45 | blinx | usb audio |
| 19:09.47 | blinx | it works |
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| 19:10.21 | blinx | but the volume changer doesn't |
| 19:10.44 | blinx | who is responsible for that package / kernel module etc? |
| 19:11.05 | Eulex | define 'volume changer' -- which of them? |
| 19:11.15 | jelly-home | Eulex: my /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config (from lenny though) says "dpkg-reconfigure x11-common" |
| 19:11.43 | Eulex | jelly-home, oh, yes, now I remember |
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| 19:13.36 | blinx | Eulex: it is a control |
| 19:13.49 | blinx | sorry I forgotten the english word |
| 19:14.04 | Eulex | blinx, in what program? |
| 19:14.09 | blinx | in ubuntu a small screen appears but on debian noting |
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| 19:14.15 | blinx | s/noting/nothing |
| 19:14.23 | blinx | Eulex: no program |
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| 19:14.32 | blinx | I mean in the whole system |
| 19:14.36 | elik | omg, vim find and replace to correct sentence, that's pretty geek ! :P |
| 19:14.48 | blinx | you can compare it with the volume control on some media keyboards |
| 19:16.00 | en1gma | hey all |
| 19:16.11 | Eulex | blinx, in all programs? which have you tested? |
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| 19:16.30 | blinx | Eulex: the volume level appears in ubuntu |
| 19:16.37 | blinx | the volume doesn't change |
| 19:16.54 | en1gma | im kind of confused....im running debian sid amd64....i need to use a web browser that has java and flash working....what exactly do i need to do? i thought about dlaoding the tarball of firefox and compiling it but wont it just make it 64bit version |
| 19:16.59 | Eulex | blinx, is this a panel applet in gnome or something? |
| 19:17.01 | blinx | it is maybe a function of gnome? |
| 19:17.06 | blinx | Eulex: :) |
| 19:17.13 | Eulex | blinx, y'know, that isn't 'the whole system' |
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| 19:17.23 | blinx | Eulex: sorry |
| 19:17.28 | Eulex | blinx, are you using alsa or oss? |
| 19:18.22 | blinx | alsa |
| 19:18.26 | blinx | debian sid 64 |
| 19:18.34 | blinx | I will test something if you want |
| 19:18.35 | Eulex | blinx, try running alsamixer from a terminal and changing the volume from it. |
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| 19:18.48 | blinx | Eulex: everything works |
| 19:19.09 | blinx | I want to suggest to include a function like in ubuntu in debian |
| 19:19.20 | blinx | I want only that |
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| 19:20.05 | en1gma | anyone see what i wrote |
| 19:20.12 | Eulex | blinx, include what function? |
| 19:20.27 | blinx | Eulex: the panel in gnome? |
| 19:20.30 | en1gma | what needs to be done to get java and flash working in a web browser when my os = debian sid amd64 |
| 19:20.51 | blinx | en1gma: it isn't possible |
| 19:21.02 | blinx | en1gma: you can use a 32bit chroot |
| 19:21.07 | en1gma | someone said if i use a 32bit firefox |
| 19:21.15 | blinx | but it doesn't work |
| 19:21.19 | en1gma | ohh |
| 19:21.21 | en1gma | shiat |
| 19:21.22 | Eulex | blinx, I don't understand the problem. is it that there is no volume control in the panel in debian by default? if so, just add it to the panel. |
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| 19:21.59 | blinx | Eulex: no |
| 19:22.08 | blinx | Eulex: my headset has ONE button |
| 19:22.18 | blinx | in windows you can change the volume with it |
| 19:22.25 | blinx | on ubuntu the volume level appears |
| 19:22.31 | blinx | on debian nothing |
| 19:22.36 | blinx | I want to change that! |
| 19:22.37 | Eulex | blinx, define 'appears' |
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| 19:22.54 | blinx | Eulex: my English |
| 19:23.01 | secret | Hello all |
| 19:23.03 | jelly-home | blinx: does it work with alsamixer? |
| 19:23.05 | blinx | hi secret |
| 19:23.06 | Aboven | http://bartendermoe.ath.cx/linuxchooser.jpg <--- still thinking .. |
| 19:23.07 | n3kl_ | Anyone know if the via c3 cpu is i686 or i486? |
| 19:23.09 | blinx | jelly-home: yes |
| 19:23.09 | Eulex | blinx, where and how does it appear? |
| 19:23.29 | blinx | it is a box where the level increases or decreases |
| 19:23.31 | Eulex | blinx, and, spinning the button does change volume levels in debian too? |
| 19:23.33 | secret | So Ubuntu is debian orientated yes? |
| 19:23.43 | blinx | while I'm pushing the button in one way |
| 19:23.56 | blinx | en1gma: you can use gnash for youtube |
| 19:24.03 | b0rg | yep UBUNTU IS DEBIAN oriented :) |
| 19:24.09 | Eulex | blinx, which of the boxes increase or decrease when you spin the button? |
| 19:24.11 | schme | !ubuntu |
| 19:24.11 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 19:24.20 | blinx | Eulex: one box |
| 19:24.21 | en1gma | blinx i like the tv-links site |
| 19:24.26 | en1gma | i watch tv there |
| 19:24.28 | Eulex | blinx, which of them? |
| 19:24.31 | secret | ok |
| 19:25.08 | secret | !ubuntu |
| 19:25.08 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 19:25.20 | secret | hey I thougght he was just super fast |
| 19:25.21 | blinx | en1gma: is there no stream via mms:// ? |
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| 19:25.33 | blinx | en1gma: and java is now only in 32bit available |
| 19:25.47 | secret | thanks for the help schme |
| 19:25.48 | Eulex | blinx, in any case, you said that in ubuntu does this change appear, but in debian it doesn't. is this some on-screen display that is triggered in ubuntu but not in debian? is it a panel applet that does change in ubuntu but not in debian? |
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| 19:25.56 | bluesceada | hmm |
| 19:26.08 | en1gma | let me find link and i will show you...1 sec |
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| 19:26.17 | bluesceada | anyone some suggestion to easily let x prograsm run in a chroot |
| 19:26.20 | bluesceada | like googleearth |
| 19:26.37 | en1gma | http://www.tv-links.co.uk/ |
| 19:26.37 | blinx | Eulex: it is no panel applet |
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| 19:26.45 | APNIC | Hi everyone, using exim-4 with spamassassin-latest. Is it possible to invoke spamassassin from the user's .forward filter file? All the examples/docs that I see invoke spamc as a transport/router in the main config file and use the .forward file to simply place marked junk in the right directory or discard of it accordingly. |
| 19:26.49 | blinx | anything else included in ubuntu (with gnome) |
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| 19:27.49 | en1gma | http://www.tv-links.co.uk/show.do/1/2439 <<<click the first episode and see what i mean |
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| 19:28.17 | Eulex | blinx, it's shown on the screen as a notification in for example the lower right corner? |
| 19:28.46 | blinx | Eulex: the notification is shown in the middle of my screen |
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| 19:28.53 | Eulex | blinx, ok |
| 19:29.01 | blinx | Eulex: like the feature with the media keyboards |
| 19:29.07 | blinx | did you understand me? |
| 19:29.33 | Eulex | blinx, yes. that is, a program that features an on screen display (osd) of volume levels when they change |
| 19:30.11 | blinx | that would be a feature which should be added to debian? |
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| 19:30.24 | blinx | and it should work on debian |
| 19:30.42 | blinx | one advantage more for debian |
| 19:31.44 | blinx | good night |
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| 19:31.48 | blinx | time to sleep |
| 19:31.54 | blinx | Eulex: cu tomorrow |
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| 19:32.14 | valdyn | bluesceada: which part is not easy? |
| 19:32.42 | bluesceada | i am not quite sure |
| 19:32.42 | bluesceada | it should be a minimal chroot |
| 19:32.43 | bluesceada | just to run the program |
| 19:32.51 | bluesceada | but i guess i have to copy hald the system then? |
| 19:32.57 | valdyn | bluesceada: not going to be small since X libraries need to be there |
| 19:32.57 | bluesceada | also xlibs etc.? |
| 19:33.00 | Eulex | blinx, sorry, I don't know whether there is such a program in debian, and there might already be, but in that case, I can't find it. I can't find what name it would have when googling for it, either. |
| 19:33.02 | bluesceada | ok :S |
| 19:33.03 | bluesceada | x.x |
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| 19:33.34 | bluesceada | Eulex: that on screen volume stuff works with thinkpads.. and use of "tpb" |
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| 19:34.52 | Eulex | bluesceada, I think this is rather some general purpose on screen display program that display notifications when the volume is changed, no matter _how_ the volume is change. I assume tpb till only notificate you when the volume is change through the multimedia keys? |
| 19:35.16 | bluesceada | Eulex: yeh right... |
| 19:35.30 | bluesceada | over xosd |
| 19:35.43 | valdyn | Eulex: you'd want an osd to spawn when using a gui volume control tool? |
| 19:36.01 | bluesceada | amarok can do it over xosd too |
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| 19:36.09 | bluesceada | maybe some gnome/kde mixer applet can do it too |
| 19:36.21 | jelly-home | bluesceada: amarok has its own OSD, doesn't use xosd. |
| 19:36.30 | valdyn | gnome has integrated an osd thingie for that |
| 19:36.43 | valdyn | not xosd, something looking similar to macosx |
| 19:37.16 | bluesceada | jelly-home: oh ok |
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| 19:37.26 | bluesceada | must be something kdeish |
| 19:37.30 | jelly-home | osd and those notification popups, should probably be defined in NetWM or somewhere |
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| 19:38.40 | valdyn | any idea where i can look up the ata error codes as in: "ata1.00: exception Emask 0x10 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x180100 action 0x2" ? |
| 19:38.42 | jelly-home | bluesceada: I think Amarok really has its own code for lots of stuff, including OSD. #amarok should know |
| 19:38.52 | bluesceada | k |
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| 19:42.11 | perseu | hello, quota for users works with ReiserFS filesystem ? |
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| 19:43.44 | nitro4ce | hi. gnome doesn't remember the last position of a window. it always starts a program on the top left corner of the screen. |
| 19:44.08 | nitro4ce | does anyone know how to solve this issue? |
| 19:44.13 | valdyn | nitro4ce: using which window manager? |
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| 19:44.26 | Gnea | nitro4ce: the #gnome people do |
| 19:44.34 | nitro4ce | <valdyn> gnome - metacity |
| 19:44.44 | nitro4ce | <valdyn> the default |
| 19:44.58 | valdyn | nitro4ce: check your session where metacity is started, before or after apps |
| 19:45.08 | valdyn | nitro4ce: gnome-session-properties |
| 19:45.21 | Eulex | valdyn, blinx would, and probably a daemon that would run in the background and watch for changed volume |
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| 19:46.15 | Gnea | nvz: of course, he may have not had much time, or he googled and found it :) |
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| 19:46.50 | Eulex | valdyn, and this wasn't when changing the volume through any software control, this was when changing the volume through a physical 'spinner' on the hardware |
| 19:47.04 | nitro4ce | <valdyn> what shall i check? |
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| 19:47.27 | Eulex | nitro4ce, this is up to each application to remember. the wm doesn't. |
| 19:47.36 | valdyn | nitro4ce: if metacity is started before or after applications |
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| 19:48.22 | nitro4ce | <Eulex> there are wm that does, and wm that doesn't |
| 19:48.23 | en1gma | http://pastebin.ca/514507 |
| 19:48.24 | en1gma | debian sid amd64 trying to install the 32bit deb |
| 19:48.34 | valdyn | Eulex: right, but apps need to be able to tell the wm where to popup |
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| 19:48.45 | Eulex | valdyn, indeed |
| 19:48.45 | ipso | I'm trying to upgrade a package, but the postinstall script is failing, whats the best way to go about troubleshooting it? I recall there is some command you can run that will show the output of the postinstall script incase there are any errors? |
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| 19:49.11 | nitro4ce | <valdyn> it says order: 20 |
| 19:49.19 | valdyn | nitro4ce: that is good |
| 19:49.34 | valdyn | nitro4ce: do you have this issue with all or only specific apps? |
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| 19:50.03 | nitro4ce | <valdyn> nautilus remembers it's last possition |
| 19:50.12 | valdyn | nitro4ce: which app does not? |
| 19:50.22 | nitro4ce | <valdyn> gnome-terminal |
| 19:50.24 | Eulex | nitro4ce, right; up to every application. |
| 19:50.40 | nitro4ce | <valdyn> gedit |
| 19:50.58 | valdyn | nitro4ce: place them, run gnome-session-save, log out and back in, tell us results |
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| 19:51.20 | valdyn | nitro4ce: uh, and tell us more about the system you're running, like if its an plain debian or whatever |
| 19:52.27 | nitro4ce | ok bbl |
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| 19:53.40 | nitro4ce | nope still the same. |
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| 19:53.50 | jindal | Hi guys, am looking to share the bandwidth of two dial up connections on my pc.. any pointers? |
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| 19:53.58 | nitro4ce | the terminal doesn't remember it's last possition |
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| 19:54.59 | jelly-home | nitro4ce: you could override with devilspie if it really matters |
| 19:55.02 | Eulex | nitro4ce, when logging out and then logging in again? |
| 19:55.14 | marklar | jindal: mlppp? |
| 19:55.30 | nitro4ce | <Eulex> yes |
| 19:55.40 | jelly-home | nitro4ce: also, which terminal? Maybe it has an option like -geometry that you can specify |
| 19:55.56 | valdyn | gnome-terminal i assume |
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| 19:55.58 | nitro4ce | yes |
| 19:56.02 | nitro4ce | gnome-terminal |
| 19:56.11 | valdyn | which debian release? unmodified? |
| 19:56.14 | Eulex | nitro4ce, it's completely up to each application to save its position in the session and then restore it when you log in again |
| 19:56.22 | nitro4ce | <valdyn> yes |
| 19:56.45 | jindal | marklar, am checking it out |
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| 19:56.56 | nitro4ce | <Eulex> hm.. ok |
| 19:57.02 | marklar | jindal: afaik the other peer needs to support it or somesuch |
| 19:57.11 | valdyn | nitro4ce: that was not only a yes/no question |
| 19:57.13 | jindal | ohh |
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| 19:57.42 | jindal | can a machine have two gateways? :-) |
| 19:57.48 | nitro4ce | <valdyn> yes unmodified |
| 19:57.50 | marklar | technically, yes |
| 19:57.56 | jelly-home | jindal: if it's very special, yes |
| 19:58.00 | nitro4ce | <valdyn> unstable |
| 19:58.00 | valdyn | jindal: or more, sure, that's not uncommon |
| 19:58.02 | jindal | cool |
| 19:58.18 | valdyn | jindal: i think you're asking the wrong question though |
| 19:58.30 | jelly-home | jindal: if you don't know, you probably don't want multiple gateways |
| 19:58.37 | jindal | okie |
| 19:58.38 | valdyn | jindal: 'can a machine have 2 gateways leading to the same network', answer: NO |
| 19:58.53 | jindal | i have two interfaces and want to share the internet bandwidth between them |
| 19:59.04 | jindal | valdyn, okie |
| 19:59.23 | jelly-home | jindal: don't use "gateway ..." for the internal network's /etc/network/interfaces entry. |
| 19:59.35 | jelly-home | jindal: just omit it. |
| 19:59.48 | valdyn | umm |
| 20:00.24 | nitro4ce | <Eulex> have you got gnome? |
| 20:00.24 | valdyn | jindal: there's solutions aswell for bonding 2 interfaces into one and load balancing 2 interfaces |
| 20:00.30 | jindal | jelly-home, but shouldn't dat say a remote network to be unreachable? |
| 20:00.56 | valdyn | jindal: i dont know much about either, but that is 2 buzzwords to google |
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| 20:01.04 | jindal | valdyn, any open source solutions :-) |
| 20:01.12 | Eulex | nitro4ce, no |
| 20:01.12 | jelly-home | jindal: the "gateway ..." pragma really means a _default gateway_, and you probably only have one. |
| 20:01.21 | valdyn | jindal: sure |
| 20:01.32 | nitro4ce | anyone got gnome and have the same issue? |
| 20:01.34 | Eulex | nitro4ce, but this is how X sessions session work according to the standard |
| 20:01.41 | Eulex | -session |
| 20:02.05 | valdyn | nitro4ce: i suppose this could be an issue specific to unstable |
| 20:02.11 | jindal | jelly-home, okie yep one presently |
| 20:02.11 | valdyn | !info gnome-terminal sid |
| 20:02.15 | dpkg | gnome-terminal: (The GNOME 2 terminal emulator application), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.18.0-2 (sid), Packaged size: 186 kB, Installed size: 428 kB |
| 20:02.16 | valdyn | !info metacity sid |
| 20:02.20 | dpkg | metacity: (A lightweight GTK2 based Window Manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:2.18.2-3 (sid), Packaged size: 396 kB, Installed size: 780 kB |
| 20:02.22 | jindal | valdyn, any pointers for them :-) |
| 20:02.35 | valdyn | jindal: no idea.. |
| 20:04.01 | valdyn | nitro4ce: ~/.xsession-errors could have errors related to this listed |
| 20:04.11 | valdyn | nitro4ce: or you could check the bts |
| 20:04.15 | valdyn | !bts |
| 20:04.15 | dpkg | it has been said that bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 20:05.00 | jelly-home | jindal: so, if you want machines on the local lan to be able to access the internets, you need to enable ip forwarding: echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward and you need to set up masqureading. |
| 20:05.15 | jelly-home | I wonder... |
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| 20:05.20 | jelly-home | !masquerade |
| 20:05.29 | valdyn | !ipmasq |
| 20:05.29 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), apt-get install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html |
| 20:05.38 | jelly-home | !masq |
| 20:05.39 | dpkg | it has been said that masq is See: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Masquerading-Simple-HOWTO/index.html by JohnFlux :), or do "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o <output interface device, such as eth0> -j MASQUERADE ; echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" and view the rules with iptables -t nat -L |
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| 20:05.50 | valdyn | not exactly what he asked for though |
| 20:06.41 | jelly-home | ... er, oh great, I've completely missed the original question :-| |
| 20:06.43 | JEnnYKolbexx | does the fritz! wlan stick work |
| 20:07.10 | jindal | jelly-home, masqureading is already set up :-) |
| 20:07.14 | valdyn | JEnnYKolbexx: you tell us |
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| 20:07.42 | jindal | 3 interfaces .. one for local and two ISPs wanna share them :-) |
| 20:07.45 | jelly-home | jindal: are both dialups going to the same account/ISP? |
| 20:07.55 | jindal | different ISP |
| 20:08.13 | jelly-home | then mppp is not going to help |
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| 20:09.18 | jindal | :-) |
| 20:09.25 | jelly-home | you'll need some sort of per-flow load balancing |
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| 20:10.13 | jindal | jelly-home, per-flow? per client in local? |
| 20:10.41 | valdyn | jindal: http://linux-ip.net/html/adv-multi-internet.html |
| 20:11.13 | jelly-home | jindal: google for "load balancing linux multiple gateways" shows some interesting links |
| 20:11.27 | valdyn | jindal: that's exactly what you want 'split traffic arbitrarily across multiple ISPs for reasons like failover and to accommodate greater aggregate bandwidth |
| 20:11.38 | jindal | valdyn, thats exactly i was looking for :-) |
| 20:12.10 | jindal | jelly-home, cool thanks for the links :-) |
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| 20:12.51 | jelly-home | http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html ... the first one |
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| 20:14.41 | jindal | jelly-home, yeah :-) thanks |
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| 20:19.27 | sarefo | hi, what's the easiest way to find out what kind of memory (brand etc.) i have on my mainboard in debian etch? (apart from looking at the hardware itself) |
| 20:19.43 | valdyn | sarefo: run dmidecode |
| 20:19.43 | tarzeau | sarefo: lshw, hwinfo ? |
| 20:20.11 | sarefo | thx |
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| 20:20.54 | karsten | sarefo: dmidecode |
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| 20:22.42 | sarefo | hm, cannot find the maker of the thing. guess i'll have to open the machine :) |
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| 20:23.17 | APNIC | Is anyone here than can help with a router condition? (exim-4) |
| 20:23.42 | Gnea | APNIC: not if we don't know what the exact problem is |
| 20:24.51 | APNIC | Gnea: http://www.pastebin.ca/514560 |
| 20:27.01 | Gnea | APNIC: yeah, so? |
| 20:27.05 | valdyn | APNIC: cound your brackets? |
| 20:27.09 | valdyn | APNIC: count your brackets? |
| 20:27.13 | Gnea | that doesn't tell me much of what is really going on |
| 20:27.47 | APNIC | The brackets are correct I think? |
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| 20:28.37 | APNIC | I am trying to reference /etc/spam to see if the user's recipients email address is mentioned and he wants spam filtering |
| 20:28.49 | Gnea | APNIC: let me guess - you're writing this spamcheck_router from scratch? |
| 20:29.10 | APNIC | Gnea: No, using standard spamassassin one, just trying to add the /email/spam check to the condition |
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| 20:29.43 | Gnea | APNIC: that's funny, because i use spamassassin and exim4 and in all of my configurations, there is no spamcheck_router defined |
| 20:30.02 | APNIC | I must have renamed the router |
| 20:30.28 | simmerz | I've upgraded my server from sarge -> etch. aptitude reports some legacy packages (obsoleted). things like yencode. what are they? |
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| 20:31.14 | valdyn | !info yencode sarge |
| 20:31.17 | Gnea | you must have lied and are just trying to cover your tracks by backpedelling - here's an idea: explain what the problem is and provide the pastebin along with it so that we have an idea of what the real problem is, because so far, you've given us jack shit to work with, and we're not #exim |
| 20:31.20 | dpkg | yencode: (Powerful yEnc decoder/encoder), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.46-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 70 kB, Installed size: 194 kB |
| 20:31.29 | APNIC | Dude I have explained the problem |
| 20:31.29 | valdyn | simmerz: why care? check http://packages.debian.org/ if you must\ |
| 20:31.36 | APNIC | I have given you a paste bin link |
| 20:31.40 | Gnea | not sufficiently. |
| 20:31.47 | APNIC | I haven't 'lied' or 'covered my tracks by backpedelling' |
| 20:31.59 | APNIC | I'm just looking for some information about what the error message I have received means |
| 20:32.13 | Gnea | okay, have you asked in #exim? |
| 20:32.14 | Genghis | heya, anyone an idea on howto load modules like ipt_state? I'm using etch |
| 20:32.22 | APNIC | Yes, no answer |
| 20:32.31 | Gnea | they take a bit of time |
| 20:32.34 | Genghis | i get this error: Error: iptables command [/sbin/iptables -v -A INPUT -i eth0 -m state --state INVALID -j INVDROP] failed, at line 380 |
| 20:32.45 | valdyn | Genghis: normally you dont load them, you run the appropriate iptables command and they get loaded |
| 20:32.51 | Genghis | and searching on google shows me similar error msg's; where other users go: ipt_state is not loaded |
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| 20:32.57 | Genghis | yeah weird |
| 20:33.15 | valdyn | Genghis: so maybe this module isnt part of your kernel? |
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| 20:34.37 | confrey | hi everybody |
| 20:34.45 | peasse | hi, what partition manager (with ui or not ) do you recommand? My partition is going stupid (files of 1000 TB !!) |
| 20:35.05 | Genghis | strange, cause when i take a look in the lib dir |
| 20:35.10 | Genghis | i can see them |
| 20:35.30 | valdyn | APNIC: you're giving an action where a condition is expected. I would look into the other examples, i dont know those control structures in exim4 myself |
| 20:35.31 | Genghis | /lib/iptables that is |
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| 20:36.19 | valdyn | Genghis: that's not the kernel modules |
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| 20:36.58 | confrey | I have compiled and installed a new driver for wifi usb, but how can I force to use that driver instead of kernl driver (zd1211rw) ? |
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| 20:37.08 | valdyn | Genghis: /lib/iptables contains setup functionality, not the actual running firewall kernel modules |
| 20:37.24 | Genghis | ok, lemme check |
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| 20:39.19 | JEnnYKolbexx | :D how do i set an app to start up after i sign in using terminal |
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| 20:40.08 | valdyn | JEnnYKolbexx: like what? |
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| 20:40.36 | JEnnYKolbexx | for example when i sign in i would like to have a xterm to be displayed |
| 20:40.45 | karsten | JEnnYKolbexx: .xinitrc |
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| 20:40.47 | JEnnYKolbexx | or such |
| 20:40.53 | karsten | JEnnYKolbexx: .. or .Xsession |
| 20:40.54 | valdyn | JEnnYKolbexx: using which desktop environment? |
| 20:41.00 | JEnnYKolbexx | gnome |
| 20:41.07 | valdyn | karsten: that could get ugly |
| 20:41.11 | Genghis | valdyn, then where should i look, to make sure they are there |
| 20:41.25 | Genghis | cause everything that has to do with netfilter |
| 20:41.30 | valdyn | JEnnYKolbexx: run gnome-session-properties and add whatever |
| 20:41.33 | Genghis | is in the kernel .config |
| 20:41.39 | Genghis | as module |
| 20:42.12 | JEnnYKolbexx | i cannot write it to ...startup like xterm & |
| 20:42.44 | valdyn | JEnnYKolbexx: you're running gnome. You're not supposed to circumvent its mechanisms |
| 20:42.58 | karsten | valdyn: ? |
| 20:43.20 | JEnnYKolbexx | why not? |
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| 20:43.38 | valdyn | karsten: gnome-session-manager will track that xterm, he might save that session, that makes 2 xterms the next time he logs on |
| 20:43.44 | valdyn | karsten: and 3 after that. etc |
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| 20:44.25 | dimsuz | hi! I remember there was a tutorial on setting up proprietary ati driver on debian, but currently can't find one. Even with google. I mean the one on debian wiki. any hints/links? ;) |
| 20:44.32 | valdyn | karsten: i should say 'it might', im not entirely sure |
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| 20:45.16 | ssstormy | hello, I'm having some issues with the debian netboot installer (the tar.gz, not a bootable image) and actually have had these same exact problems with the ubuntu netboot installer |
| 20:45.26 | tarzeau | dimsuz: it's easy, you can read the script www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver |
| 20:45.36 | ssstormy | two things happen; if I format root as ext2/3, the computer crashes while formating |
| 20:45.49 | tarzeau | dimsuz: don't run it, it's not supported by the guys in here, but it is kinda what you do |
| 20:45.55 | valdyn | ssstormy: and that surprises you? |
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| 20:45.57 | ssstormy | if I format it as reiserfs, it doesn't crash, but then crashes while downloading libc6 |
| 20:46.06 | confrey | I have compiled and installed a new driver for wifi usb, but how can I force to use that driver instead of kernl driver (zd1211rw) ? |
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| 20:46.08 | Genghis | so, no-one knows? |
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| 20:46.15 | dimsuz | tarzeau: hmm. I remember there was some apt-get way... |
| 20:46.31 | ssstormy | valdyn, why is a crash when formating ext common? |
| 20:46.51 | valdyn | ssstormy: you said you were formatting /, i misunderstood that, i guess |
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| 20:47.16 | ssstormy | valdyn, I was formatting the partition |
| 20:47.21 | valdyn | ssstormy: sounds like that computer has serious issues |
| 20:47.32 | ssstormy | very possible |
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| 20:48.11 | ssstormy | anyway, I'd be happy just using reiserfs |
| 20:48.23 | valdyn | ssstormy: should fix your hardware issues first |
| 20:48.26 | ssstormy | but when I use that, the installer crashes when downloading libc6 |
| 20:48.40 | valdyn | ssstormy: if it already crashes doing such simple things |
| 20:48.44 | ssstormy | which is weird because it's already downloaded everything alphabetically before libc6 |
| 20:49.04 | JEnnYKolbexx | could it be #mcedit /etc/xdg/autostart ? |
| 20:49.10 | ssstormy | it ani't that simple valdyn |
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| 20:49.50 | valdyn | ssstormy: there's 2 probabilities: a) kernel bug b) hardware broken |
| 20:50.00 | valdyn | ssstormy: the first can be ruled out by using various different installers |
| 20:50.15 | ssstormy | I'm inclined to lean towards a) |
| 20:50.30 | ssstormy | because when I boot the ubuntu install disk, i get something about tty not being able to access jobs |
| 20:50.46 | ssstormy | and I read somewhere that can be caused by kernel freaking out |
| 20:50.50 | ssstormy | with unusual hardware |
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| 20:51.31 | ssstormy | I guess I'll test the ram, but that wouldn't really explain why it fails so consistantly at the same spots |
| 20:51.33 | valdyn | ssstormy: every time the same? |
| 20:51.41 | valdyn | ssstormy: nm, that answered that |
| 20:52.07 | valdyn | ssstormy: the installer does not randomly put things into ram, itll be the same each time |
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| 20:52.39 | ssstormy | oh |
| 20:52.57 | ssstormy | yeah this would explain it. I ran memtest86 and so far I have 60000 errors |
| 20:53.06 | ssstormy | :P must be a stick plugged in wrong |
| 20:53.20 | ssstormy | I can't imagine one stick being so thoughroughly screwed |
| 20:54.23 | valdyn | ssstormy: 60000 errors can easily be one coherent fragment on a single chip being broken.. |
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| 20:54.40 | ssstormy | oh really? huh. well, it's 222000 now |
| 20:55.45 | ssstormy | I'm surprised, really |
| 20:56.02 | ssstormy | I've never actually had faulty ram before, and I've had large quantities passing through my hands |
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| 20:56.35 | plb | when booting the comptuer I saw something flash by in red that said failed and am curious as to what it is..dmesg doesn't show it though...anyway else to see? |
| 20:56.46 | valdyn | !bootlog |
| 20:56.46 | dpkg | /etc/default/bootlogd now defaults to "no". Edit that to get your /var/log/boot file back. For more info, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028, or not a command (opposed to dmesg) |
| 20:57.02 | plb | thanks |
| 20:57.19 | jhambo_ | Hi folks, when I try to `rdiff-backup localdir remoteserver::remotedir` the backup seems to hang after only transfering a few megs. Also, if I try to ssh to the remote box while the backup is happening everything is _slow_. If it matters, this is the first backup; there's nothing in remotedir before I run the command. What's going on? |
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| 20:58.35 | kubrick | hi |
| 20:58.48 | Guerin | jhambo_: just let it work |
| 20:59.00 | Guerin | jhambo_: for how long does it hang? |
| 20:59.02 | kubrick | If I want to downgrade from sid to testing what I should do? modifying source.list and aptitude dist-upgrade doesnt work |
| 20:59.12 | Guerin | kubrick: can't reliably be done |
| 20:59.13 | valdyn | !downgrade |
| 20:59.14 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 20:59.20 | jhambo_ | Guerin: I let it go overnight and it stayed at 14 megabytes. total data to backup if about 2.5 gigs |
| 20:59.33 | kubrick | oh :( |
| 20:59.46 | Guerin | jhambo_: ok, that's fucked. Is there a verbosity switch you can turn up? |
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| 21:00.47 | jhambo_ | Guerin: hmm yeah but it sets the verbosity for the log file which I can't seem to find... |
| 21:01.11 | jhambo_ | Guerin: nm found the log |
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| 21:01.29 | jhambo_ | ls |
| 21:02.39 | peasse | hi, i try Gparted for the first time, but it's stuck at the begining of the launching (detection of patitions) ... do you know why? |
| 21:03.09 | ShakaGoldSaint | hi there, my X doesn't start after i installed some x11 mouse themes, log says "could not find default font 'cursor'" or something like it, anyone know what i can do to fix it? |
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| 21:03.18 | Guerin | ShakaGoldSaint: google X mouse cursor |
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| 21:04.32 | ShakaGoldSaint | i've been googling, someone said something about reinstalling xfont-base, but that didn't work, by the way you know the name of a text based browser? |
| 21:04.44 | bpun | asg, are you there? just wondering if the setup you're using was unslug.. the document you pointed to me mentions using an external drive and listed under a non-obsolete project name -- ( i do have a spare 256 mb usb key-- if it matter i can use it) |
| 21:04.52 | Guerin | ShakaGoldSaint: lynx, links, links2, w3m |
| 21:05.02 | jelly-home | Shadur: elinks |
| 21:05.09 | Guerin | bpun: asg is at the pub |
| 21:05.13 | jelly-home | oops |
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| 21:07.42 | jhambo_ | Is there some special switch I have to use when I run rdiff-backup for the first time? |
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| 21:08.18 | Guerin | jhambo_: no idea. I use rsnapshot, it Just Works. |
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| 21:09.11 | bpun | jhambo_, are you related to john rambo? |
| 21:09.28 | tarzeau | where is the guy who talked about debian is free? |
| 21:09.29 | tarzeau | 23:08 <@mattl> tarzeau: Debian is non-free, as a distro. |
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| 21:09.58 | mcgreg | is there a (good) working nintendo-emulator for debian? |
| 21:10.09 | mcgreg | I mean nintendo64 |
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| 21:12.35 | purplepenguins | mupen64 is the general linux n64 emulator |
| 21:12.43 | purplepenguins | it might be available for debian, don't know |
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| 21:17.51 | ttl- | greetings |
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| 21:20.13 | ttl- | how do i change my klogd log level so iptables does not log to terminal |
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| 21:22.44 | wizard123 | hello :) |
| 21:22.49 | ttl- | hi |
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| 21:22.56 | wizard123 | which repos are newer: testing or unstable ? |
| 21:23.11 | ttl- | lenny = testing |
| 21:23.26 | ttl- | unstzbles is the newest |
| 21:23.28 | streuner | !tell wizard123 about sid faq |
| 21:23.32 | ttl- | unstable* |
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| 21:23.47 | tarzeau | abrotman: http://mfrost.typepad.com/cute_overload/images/noyoudiint.jpg |
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| 21:24.09 | streuner | wizard123: read that first, before you even think about to install it (unstable) |
| 21:24.32 | wizard123 | ok, i'm reading.. |
| 21:24.44 | wizard123 | foreword sux |
| 21:25.53 | wizard123 | ok, i think that faq covers all i need |
| 21:25.54 | wizard123 | thanks |
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| 21:28.47 | vipernicus | does debian-multimedia have a channel? |
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| 21:29.54 | giupy-away | sera serina |
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| 21:33.40 | MicroChip32 | anyone know whats up with kernel.org ?? havent been able to do apt-get update since early this morning |
| 21:34.10 | Guerin | MicroChip32: change mirrors |
| 21:34.42 | MicroChip32 | Guerin : how ? |
| 21:35.16 | jelly-home | MicroChip32: http:// seems not to work, but ftp:// and rsync:// do |
| 21:35.25 | Guerin | MicroChip32: man sources.list |
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| 21:36.20 | MicroChip32 | jelly : mirrors and mirrors1 and mirrors2 in my sources.list as ftp do not work, i get connection refused |
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| 21:36.39 | MicroChip32 | Guerin: yes i know sources.list, but where can i find a list of the valid/official sources ? |
| 21:36.48 | streuner | MicroChip32: show us your sources.list in paster bot (/msg dpkg paste) |
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| 21:37.00 | piztek3 | #beryl |
| 21:37.20 | streuner | !mirrors |
| 21:37.20 | dpkg | it has been said that debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 21:37.46 | MicroChip32 | streuner : do i paste right to the dpkg bot ? |
| 21:37.57 | streuner | no |
| 21:38.00 | streuner | !paste |
| 21:38.00 | dpkg | paste is, like, Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC or if those are not working, ask me about <pastebin> for other options |
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| 21:38.34 | streuner | MicroChip32: its enough that you read what Guerin told you and read what dpkg told you |
| 21:38.44 | streuner | s/that/what/ |
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| 21:39.08 | streuner | (man sources.list and /msg dpkg mirrors) |
| 21:40.12 | MicroChip32 | streuner : dont mind me, my brain is fuzzy today =/ ... ok i think this is what you want then ... http://paste.debian.net/29047 |
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| 21:41.22 | cibershop | hi |
| 21:41.33 | streuner | kernel.org should be an official mirror as well, IIRC, and official mirrors have oldstable still there |
| 21:41.37 | ma3x | how do I start 2 mplayers movies at the same time exact to second |
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| 21:43.04 | MicroChip32 | streuner : not sure what you mean by 'oldstable' but i had to change mine from 'current' or whatever the default is to 'sarge' to keep it from trying to upgrade my kernel |
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| 21:43.30 | streuner | MicroChip32: oldstable = sarge |
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| 21:43.42 | MicroChip32 | ah guess that makes sense |
| 21:43.46 | tarzeau | streuner: official mirrors have debian.org in the name |
| 21:43.54 | streuner | tarzeau: no |
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| 21:44.00 | streuner | not always |
| 21:44.13 | tarzeau | streuner: yes |
| 21:44.20 | tarzeau | streuner: always |
| 21:44.32 | tarzeau | streuner: which official mirror doesn't? |
| 21:45.20 | streuner | tarzeau: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 21:45.52 | tarzeau | streuner: and? |
| 21:46.09 | tarzeau | streuner: all primary mirrors have debian.org |
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| 21:46.23 | streuner | kernel.org is a "A secondary mirror" |
| 21:46.53 | streuner | that doesn't say kernel.org is NOT an official mirror |
| 21:47.33 | Guerin | actually, streuner is technically correct |
| 21:47.34 | Guerin | Non-authoritative answer: |
| 21:47.35 | Guerin | ftp.nz.debian.org canonical name = ftp.citylink.co.nz |
| 21:47.43 | MicroChip32 | ok im looking at the mirror/list as posted above, how would i put one of those in my sources.list ?? example the MIT site |
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| 21:47.48 | Guerin | ftp.citylink.co.nz is an official mirror ;) |
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| 21:50.01 | streuner | tarzeau: those mirrors are as well in d-i ... |
| 21:50.03 | tarzeau | streuner: http://www.debian.org/mirror/official |
| 21:50.13 | tarzeau | streuner: kernel.org is NOT AN OFFICIAL MIRROR |
| 21:50.19 | tarzeau | streuner: being in d-i doesn't make you official |
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| 21:50.37 | tarzeau | streuner: and yes the above shit says that kernel.org is not an official mirror |
| 21:50.49 | tarzeau | Guerin: no he's not |
| 21:50.55 | streuner | tarzeau: ok, do you think that secondary mirros have oldstable installed too? |
| 21:50.57 | tarzeau | Guerin: then tell me which debian.org name resolves to kernel.org |
| 21:51.13 | tarzeau | streuner: it doesn't matter. official mirrors are defined by other criteria |
| 21:51.19 | tarzeau | streuner: not if they have oldstable or if they do |
| 21:51.29 | tarzeau | streuner: there is this webpage http://www.debian.org/mirror/official |
| 21:51.31 | streuner | tarzeau: you miss the point |
| 21:51.34 | tarzeau | streuner: which lists all oficial mirrors |
| 21:51.36 | tarzeau | streuner: no you miss it |
| 21:51.50 | Guerin | tarzeau: that assertion might be wrong, but the assertion that not all official mirrors have debian.org in the name is perfectly correct |
| 21:51.52 | tarzeau | streuner: let me quote from the url: "This is the current list of official Debian archive mirrors: |
| 21:51.59 | streuner | tarzeau: the point is rather why MicroChip32 got 'Connection timed out' |
| 21:52.10 | tarzeau | streuner: because his client or his mirror is shit |
| 21:52.13 | tarzeau | or his isp |
| 21:52.14 | Guerin | not that it matters as much as you pair seem to think ;) |
| 21:52.25 | markybob | ftp.us.debian.org round robins to kernel.org's servers...does that count? :) i shouldnt get involved |
| 21:52.32 | tarzeau | Guerin: it's very clear if a mirror is official or not |
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| 21:52.56 | Guerin | tarzeau: yes ... but it's not the fact that it has debian.org in the name which determines it |
| 21:53.20 | tarzeau | markybob: yes that counts. so mirrors1.kernel.org is one |
| 21:53.26 | streuner | tarzeau: drop that, iam wrong. |
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| 21:54.04 | tarzeau | markybob: but kernel.org itself is not. depends what exactly MicroChip32 has in his sources.list |
| 21:54.20 | TrueDD | hello |
| 21:54.40 | tarzeau | Guerin: why not? |
| 21:54.56 | tarzeau | Guerin: to become an official mirror you run the mirror and request such a debian.org dns entry |
| 21:55.13 | tarzeau | Guerin: so having debian.org in the name determines it |
| 21:55.14 | Guerin | tarzeau: ftp.citylink.co.nz is functionally identical to ftp.nz.debian.org - there's no `debian.org' in the first name ;) |
| 21:55.23 | MicroChip32 | tarzeau : i posted earlier a link to pasted copy of my sources.list ... which uses kernel.org fwiw |
| 21:55.25 | tarzeau | Guerin: it's just another name for it |
| 21:55.33 | Guerin | tarzeau: i did say `technically' |
| 21:55.38 | MicroChip32 | i just added ftp.us.debian.org to the set, trying now |
| 21:55.47 | markybob | you should all stop arguing and do my programming for me today. that way everyone wins |
| 21:55.51 | tarzeau | MicroChip32: /lastlog MicroChip32 doesn't show it. can you post the url again? |
| 21:56.05 | Guerin | markybob: except you. I guearantee you don't want me programming for you. |
| 21:56.11 | markybob | heh |
| 21:56.14 | Guerin | s/e// |
| 21:56.16 | MicroChip32 | http://paste.debian.net/29047 |
| 21:56.20 | streuner | hehe |
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| 21:56.34 | tarzeau | markybob: what's your programming task? |
| 21:56.37 | Guerin | i calole din sick at work today because sometimes getting up at 0515 is too hard |
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| 21:57.04 | Guerin | might go fishing, there's a good southwesterly blowing which makes a particular beach fish pretty well |
| 21:57.24 | markybob | tarzeau: it's just a side project. i'm one of the developers of deluge-torrent and i've been meaning to get socks5 support implemented |
| 21:57.26 | tarzeau | MicroChip32: it's simple, not all mirrors do http and ftp... |
| 21:57.47 | tarzeau | MicroChip32: and your sources.list is a mess |
| 21:57.52 | MicroChip32 | ok, -replacing- mirrors.kernel.org with ftp.us.debian.org worked, was a bit slower, but probably just because my friggin shared connection is usually bogged in the evening *mutter* |
| 21:57.58 | tarzeau | MicroChip32: one line is enough, instead you have three |
| 21:58.12 | tarzeau | MicroChip32: can't you just take a mirror near you? |
| 21:58.39 | MicroChip32 | if someone can tell me how to put MIT's mirror in the file, yes |
| 21:58.45 | MicroChip32 | but noone answered when i asked |
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| 21:59.33 | Guerin | MicroChip32: fgi |
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| 21:59.48 | sobersabre | hi guys, need advice. |
| 21:59.54 | markybob | 42 |
| 21:59.58 | sobersabre | I've bought a server for file serving. |
| 22:00.34 | streuner | NFS |
| 22:01.00 | diskus | is there any good NFS client for windows? that would solve my file sharing problems... |
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| 22:01.28 | streuner | that's OT |
| 22:01.30 | tarzeau | MicroChip32: what about: nc linuks.mine.nu 23 | grep "^#deb \|^deb" | sed "s,sid,sarge,g;s,#,," |
| 22:01.31 | ma3x | how can I play a video frame by frame in full screen mode? |
| 22:01.34 | streuner | we don't support windows |
| 22:01.35 | Guerin | diskus: ask in #cygwin |
| 22:01.43 | markybob | diskus: google. they do exist |
| 22:01.48 | Guerin | ma3x: mplayer |
| 22:01.57 | tarzeau | MicroChip32: err nc linuks.mine.nu 23 | grep "^#deb \|^deb" | sed "s,sid,sarge,g;s,#,,;s,.ch.,.us.,g" |
| 22:02.05 | ma3x | Guerin, and how do I start the video paused? |
| 22:02.12 | MicroChip32 | tarzeau : um, give me a few minutes to digest that =) ... wait, i need some antacid too |
| 22:02.15 | diskus | markybob: well tried some, just tried to ask if someone had similar problem.. |
| 22:02.29 | Guerin | ma3x: i didn't say I knew HOW, you'll have to rtfd |
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| 22:03.03 | bluesceada | argh it is very ugly to build debian source packages :S |
| 22:03.10 | bluesceada | somehow ./configure cant be find |
| 22:03.12 | tarzeau | bluesceada: no it's not |
| 22:03.21 | bluesceada | compared to gentoo it is... |
| 22:03.23 | bluesceada | hm |
| 22:03.24 | tarzeau | bluesceada: not all software uses ./configure |
| 22:03.27 | tarzeau | bluesceada: no it is not |
| 22:03.29 | bluesceada | but this one does |
| 22:03.40 | tarzeau | bluesceada: what is the software name? |
| 22:03.46 | bluesceada | khdapsmonitor |
| 22:03.53 | markybob | have autogen? |
| 22:03.54 | Guerin | bluesceada: kdeware |
| 22:03.58 | bluesceada | ?? |
| 22:03.59 | Guerin | eew |
| 22:04.05 | bluesceada | kdeware = ? |
| 22:04.10 | MicroChip32 | tarzeau : ok, what that spit out is pretty close to what i have, except i dont have contrip and non-free included |
| 22:04.10 | tarzeau | kde software |
| 22:04.15 | tarzeau | bluesceada, Guerin #debian-kde |
| 22:04.15 | Guerin | bluesceada: you don't know what autogen is, and you're complaining about debian's build system? |
| 22:04.16 | bluesceada | markybob: i can compile it manually |
| 22:04.27 | Guerin | tarzeau: piss off |
| 22:04.28 | tarzeau | Guerin: weekend |
| 22:04.39 | Guerin | tarzeau: monday |
| 22:04.40 | bluesceada | Guerin: i can compile it manually so why the question |
| 22:04.45 | Guerin | tarzeau: is this a word-association game? |
| 22:05.08 | Guerin | bluesceada: you seem to be clueless. |
| 22:05.08 | tarzeau | Guerin: no |
| 22:05.18 | bluesceada | Guerin: why? |
| 22:05.26 | tarzeau | bluesceada: you ARE clueless |
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| 22:05.35 | bluesceada | i can compile it using ./configure && make :/ |
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| 22:05.56 | tarzeau | bluesceada: if you think gentoo is much nicer, you can keep using gentoo |
| 22:06.01 | Guerin | bluesceada: you're not explaining yo0urself clearly |
| 22:06.08 | tarzeau | bluesceada: there's no point going somewhere and saying what i had before is better |
| 22:06.08 | Guerin | bluesceada: what are you having trouble with? |
| 22:06.11 | bluesceada | tarzeau: nah i just have to learn this.. |
| 22:06.16 | tarzeau | bluesceada: says who? |
| 22:06.26 | bluesceada | Guerin: building a deb package for khdapsmonitor |
| 22:06.32 | tarzeau | bluesceada: nobody in here says you have to learn debian if you like gentoo so much better |
| 22:06.39 | bluesceada | tarzeau: i didnt say that |
| 22:06.46 | bluesceada | i just said that in this specific case i think that gentoo is easier |
| 22:06.50 | bluesceada | doesn't mean better |
| 22:06.59 | tarzeau | bluesceada: and i said i disagree |
| 22:07.02 | bluesceada | good |
| 22:07.03 | Guerin | heh |
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| 22:07.14 | bluesceada | keep your opinion and i keep mine and we are happy... |
| 22:07.28 | bluesceada | ß |
| 22:07.34 | sparr | are there any debian-based distros with the configuration benefits of ubuntu, but without resorting to scheduled release cycles? |
| 22:07.43 | MicroChip32 | tarzeau / and streuner thanks |
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| 22:08.02 | tarzeau | sparr: http://livecd.gnustep.org/ |
| 22:08.02 | Guerin | sparr: ubuntu has `configuration benefits'? |
| 22:08.06 | tarzeau | Guerin: no it doesn't |
| 22:08.15 | tarzeau | it's weekend, all the clueless people |
| 22:08.27 | bluesceada | hm do i have to use some dir variable |
| 22:08.30 | Guerin | tarzeau: ah, i see what you mean now. |
| 22:08.39 | sparr | Guerin: yes, it does, and its what i use now, but i didnt want to call it by name. but i prefer the 'release packages when they are ready' system that debian testing/unstable use |
| 22:08.43 | smacnay | Hi, I am using a default Debian install with the gnome desktop - any suggestions for a gui mail app that integrates well with gnome, a browser, and does gpg mime/smime? |
| 22:09.12 | Guerin | sparr: I would say use debian, but then, this *is* #debian ... |
| 22:09.14 | tarzeau | smacnay: i like links2 -g for a browser |
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| 22:09.23 | Guerin | sparr: thunderbird |
| 22:09.25 | Guerin | bah |
| 22:09.31 | Guerin | smacnay: thunderbird |
| 22:09.32 | smacnay | tarzeau: links2? I need to read up on that |
| 22:09.38 | streuner | smacnay: sylpheed |
| 22:10.02 | MicroChip32 | what they said ... moz/tbird/firefox |
| 22:10.04 | smacnay | streuner: sylpheed is mh, no? |
| 22:10.08 | Guerin | smacnay: gnome will install evilution for you, and if you remove it it will uninstall EVERYTHING as unused. |
| 22:10.18 | MicroChip32 | and there's a gpg plugin for moz/ff too |
| 22:10.42 | smacnay | Guerin: yes, I have evolution and thought of uninstalling it until I saw what else was to come off. |
| 22:10.46 | sparr | Guerin: i just recently switched from debian to kubuntu, because of configuration issues. i got tired of spending weeks trying to figure out why things that work for everyone else didnt work for me, and most of those things Just Work in ubuntu. but every few months when ubuntu is just past a release (like right now), i miss debian because its a PITA to get post-release package upgrades in ubuntu |
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| 22:11.15 | Guerin | sparr: you seem to have unique config problems. |
| 22:11.45 | sparr | Guerin: never unique, just uncommon :) i never fail to find at least one other person posting the same problems on some forum or other. i often fail to find any solution. |
| 22:11.50 | streuner | smacnay: yes, http://sylpheeddoc.sourceforge.net/en/faq/faq-1.html#ss1.23 |
| 22:12.04 | Guerin | sparr: what sort of things? Hardware? |
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| 22:12.44 | smacnay | streuner: does it work with mbox only? |
| 22:12.47 | sparr | Guerin: in particular, pulling files off my camera. every bit of software i had supported it, and even said it would work, right up to the point of actually trying to do it. |
| 22:13.41 | streuner | smacnay: nope, read the FAQ above |
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| 22:14.18 | smacnay | streuner: thanks - I will read - I know it does mh but meant to ask if it will work without using mh - I will read |
| 22:15.31 | |DuReX| | is it possible to resize root partition ? without running livecd or smth ? |
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| 22:15.57 | Guerin | |DuReX|: not really. |
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| 22:17.39 | sobersabre | It uses a mobo: AB9 Pro from ABit. |
| 22:17.50 | sobersabre | I wonder how to fill it with data as well as possible: |
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| 22:18.30 | sobersabre | it has 6 SATA ports for array RAID5, 2 ports for another 2 disks in raid1, and another port |
| 22:18.57 | sobersabre | shall I creat these raids and then put it all into an LVM ? |
| 22:19.08 | sobersabre | to have a contiguous chunk ... |
| 22:19.09 | sobersabre | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:21.07 | mirak | how can I copy only the files starting with a dot ? cp .* copy everything |
| 22:21.34 | TrueDD | |DuReX|, you can't resize a mounted partition and you can't unmount root partition when you're using it. it's only possible from an other system |
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| 22:22.25 | icepack12 | mirak: yeah |
| 22:22.36 | mirak | icepack12: how ? |
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| 22:22.58 | icepack12 | mirak: like you said. $cp .* destination/ |
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| 22:23.26 | mirak | icepack12: it copy all the files, not only file starting with a dot |
| 22:23.55 | rdz | yeah, because all file do match the pattern ./blabla |
| 22:24.03 | rdz | *files |
| 22:24.58 | mirak | so how do I match only .something files ? |
| 22:25.11 | rdz | mirak, i wonder as well... |
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| 22:26.10 | icepack12 | cp ./.* ? |
| 22:26.11 | rdz | i don't know regexp well, but maybe there is a way to include all files beginning with . but at the same time exclude all files with "./" |
| 22:26.24 | rdz | icepack12, yeah, that is it |
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| 22:27.06 | kenji | can some one help me with my samsung sc-d3552 video camera |
| 22:27.08 | kenji | ? |
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| 22:27.17 | bitter- | are slow dns lookups an issue with etch? |
| 22:27.21 | bitter- | cuz it's really slow |
| 22:27.50 | rdz | bitter-, it is slow here as well, but because of my router, not because of etch |
| 22:27.55 | bpun | bitter-, use a dns relay.. |
| 22:28.43 | bitter- | bpun: you mean like a caching thing on the router? |
| 22:28.54 | bitter- | it's just fine on this computer, running ubuntu |
| 22:29.02 | bpun | bitter-, if it offers it, all my machines use 192.168.1.1 as a dns server.. |
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| 22:29.23 | jhambo | How can I add size info to pnm,png,tiff etc...? |
| 22:29.39 | bitter- | bpun: i'll check it |
| 22:29.46 | bitter- | bpun: thanx |
| 22:29.53 | bpun | jhambo, there's a standard to it, but i think it's loosely enforced.. |
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| 22:30.34 | jhambo | bpun: this size thing turns out to be a pain when it comes to putting images in latex documents... |
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| 22:30.40 | bpun | jhambo, i know jpeg offers something but i'm not sure if it's info size you want.. |
| 22:31.26 | bpun | jhambo, i guess it's the size when it's fully decompressed.. |
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| 22:32.04 | bpun | jhambo, i'm guessing you want things loaded and know the full documents size.. |
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| 22:37.22 | en1gma | how do i turn off selinux |
| 22:37.42 | en1gma | is selinux on in safemode |
| 22:38.28 | xmltok | is it possible to install older packages with aptitude? im trying to install hellanzb but it needs python-twisted-web, the current version of that needs a twisted-core of 2.5, but only 2.4 is available |
| 22:38.42 | kenji | can some one help me with my samsung video cam? |
| 22:38.59 | kenji | I have this output http://rafb.net/p/qp0L2m70.html |
| 22:40.58 | en1gma | im running debian sid i386 and am trying to install the nvidia 100.14.06 x86 driver (which i have done before) but now im getting this in the nvidia-installer.log file http://pastebin.ca/514805 |
| 22:41.35 | en1gma | i installed quite a bit of stuff trying to get it to compile...maybe i got something in there wrong |
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| 22:43.55 | bitter- | bpun: i think i found it |
| 22:44.05 | bitter- | bpun: search domain set to Belkin, doh |
| 22:44.18 | bitter- | bpun: removing that made things mucho faster |
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| 22:44.35 | bitter- | shower time |
| 22:44.40 | cusco | en1gma: http://www.debianhelp.org/node/6880 |
| 22:44.54 | tarzeau | en1gma: it works perfect here |
| 22:45.08 | tarzeau | en1gma: i just installed it on a 2.6.21.3 kernel yesterday |
| 22:45.28 | cusco | tarzeau: running sid? |
| 22:45.34 | cusco | kk |
| 22:45.42 | tarzeau | en1gma: but not the 100.14.06, i used 9755 |
| 22:45.45 | tarzeau | cusco: yes what else? |
| 22:46.05 | tarzeau | cusco: but i also use the latest ilnux kernel on stable. |
| 22:46.11 | cusco | what do you mean what else?-_- |
| 22:46.13 | bpun | bitter-, its good if you're running virtual servers, and don't want to have secondary server names updated all the time for static ips.. |
| 22:46.24 | tarzeau | cusco: i'm using sid. having done so for 6 years now |
| 22:46.27 | cusco | tarzeau: ok the problem is reported with stock kernel |
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| 22:46.40 | tarzeau | cusco: what problem? i wasn't talking to you but en1gma |
| 22:46.50 | cusco | en1gma's problem |
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| 22:48.09 | en1gma | well it alsmost builds but dont |
| 22:48.16 | en1gma | 2.6.21-1 kernel here |
| 22:48.21 | cusco | en1gma: read the link I gave you |
| 22:48.37 | en1gma | and i have installed it before in the debian sid amd64 and i386 |
| 22:48.45 | en1gma | i think i installed something that messed something u |
| 22:48.46 | en1gma | p |
| 22:48.52 | cusco | nope |
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| 22:49.19 | cusco | 23:45:44 < cusco> en1gma: http://www.debianhelp.org/node/6880 |
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| 22:49.29 | cusco | bybye now |
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| 22:49.33 | en1gma | yea i dont get an error really |
| 22:49.40 | cusco | en1gma: yes you do |
| 22:49.43 | cusco | its in the log |
| 22:49.47 | en1gma | thats for a diff error that people got with that part kernel |
| 22:49.54 | cusco | nope |
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| 22:50.04 | en1gma | ok will look at it one more time |
| 22:50.06 | cusco | line 367 of your nvidia log pasted bin |
| 22:50.17 | en1gma | im not using the K7 kernel |
| 22:50.28 | en1gma | im using 2.6.21-1-i686 |
| 22:50.33 | cusco | ah yes! |
| 22:50.40 | en1gma | what is that the problem? |
| 22:50.49 | ZombB | I have a question concerning a setup of a system with a fully encryptes lvm on top of raid. My system is a desktop machine and I was told, that such a setup will decrease the performance by 30%. My first question is whether to go with a raid5 or a raid10 configuration. raid10 seems to have more performance but will give me less space than raid 5. What would be your suggestions? |
| 22:50.49 | cusco | its not about the k7 anyway |
| 22:50.57 | en1gma | ok looking 1 sec |
| 22:51.12 | cusco | you have to change modpost in order to accept non gpl'ed modules |
| 22:51.28 | en1gma | wow never used to have to do that |
| 22:51.35 | cusco | new kernel |
| 22:51.38 | cusco | new rules |
| 22:51.39 | en1gma | ah ok |
| 22:52.18 | nzk | Why is Debian giving me crap? "Could not make directory, could not do XXX, could not do YYY" when I am just apt-get removing something _IN ROOT_ |
| 22:52.31 | StaticSho | can i install etch using a netinstall cd i downloaded back when sarge was stable? |
| 22:52.44 | cusco | nzk: nromally the why comes on the same line or on the next line |
| 22:52.56 | en1gma | i hope that is a joke about fixing that problem |
| 22:52.56 | StaticSho | does the netinstall cd get drastically updated for every new stable release, or no? |
| 22:53.04 | en1gma | there is no way we should have to do that |
| 22:53.23 | en1gma | AND i just came from the same kernel version number but the amd64 version and didnt have to do thqat |
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| 22:53.56 | nzk | W: Not using locking for read only lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock |
| 22:53.56 | nzk | E: Unable to write to /var/cache/apt/ |
| 22:53.56 | nzk | E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. |
| 22:53.57 | nzk | ' |
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| 22:54.10 | nzk | yeah, so thats my error |
| 22:55.07 | cusco | nzk: thats bad |
| 22:55.11 | cusco | im goinna go now |
| 22:55.13 | cusco | bybye |
| 22:55.36 | nzk | It is? |
| 22:55.40 | nzk | What made it happen? |
| 22:55.59 | streuner | nzk: run 'apt-get update' |
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| 22:58.01 | en1gma | why is it that i didnt get that error with 2.6.21-1-amd64 and i do with 2.6.21-1-i686 |
| 22:58.05 | en1gma | what is going on |
| 22:58.08 | streuner | Guerin: at breakfast? |
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| 22:58.40 | cafuego | I'd like to think -amd64 is a 64 bit kernel and -i686 is not. |
| 22:59.02 | en1gma | gpl is gpl |
| 22:59.08 | en1gma | no matter what kernel you use |
| 22:59.14 | Guerin | streuner: had it a couple hours ago, it's 1100 |
| 22:59.33 | streuner | Guerin: oh, so late |
| 22:59.37 | cafuego | Depends on whether come code is mistakenly IFDEF'd |
| 22:59.39 | daeos | got an issue with running debian on a ibm laptop, after linux loads and before gdm starts to open, gdm randomly will open and show a display and allow me to login, and i have to reboot the machine several times before it will load gdm. is this a known laptop issue? |
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| 23:01.21 | namit_home | how do i find a repositroy for certain version of a package? |
| 23:01.35 | streuner | !sdn |
| 23:01.35 | dpkg | i heard sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is largely lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 23:01.45 | Guerin | namit_home: try snapshot.debian.net |
| 23:03.00 | kenji | can some one help me with my samsung video cam? |
| 23:03.01 | kenji | I have this output http://rafb.net/p/qp0L2m70.html |
| 23:03.10 | kenji | but kino si not working |
| 23:03.43 | streuner | you need a driver in order to run the webcam |
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| 23:05.28 | namit_home | but if i am looking for mysql-common-4.1.16 |
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| 23:05.57 | daeos | got an issue with running debian on a ibm laptop, after linux loads and before gdm starts to open, gdm randomly will open and show a display and allow me to login, and i have to reboot the machine several times before it will load gdm. is this a known laptop issue? |
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| 23:06.29 | Nackox | Shh |
| 23:06.38 | Nackox | llego un infiltrado |
| 23:06.59 | NandoFx | Nackox, inflitrado yo ? |
| 23:07.00 | DannyD | always nice when people talk zimbabwe to you |
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| 23:07.15 | NandoFx | Nackox, tu tambien trabajas en el .gob.ve |
| 23:07.16 | Nackox | Yeah NelsonFx you |
| 23:07.18 | Nackox | :) |
| 23:07.20 | nzk | can i restart a machine while still in ssh |
| 23:07.22 | NandoFx | Nackox, becerro |
| 23:07.31 | Nackox | hehehe |
| 23:07.49 | NandoFx | Nackox, mira los articulos de globoterror y el-nacional |
| 23:07.55 | NandoFx | y busca las 8 diferencias |
| 23:08.46 | Nackox | NelsonFx, only underground streaming |
| 23:08.49 | Nackox | :] |
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| 23:10.20 | martman | anyone know why initrd.img and initrd is in / instead of /boot ? |
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| 23:11.21 | streuner | kenji: sell this one and buy another webcam which is supported |
| 23:11.26 | NandoFx | martman, it's a symlink |
| 23:11.26 | jkitchen | security.debian.org apt mirror slow for anyone else? |
| 23:11.41 | sagotis | im sitting at xdm (a genaric x disply manager) login screen and i want to restart the system - is there a better way other then ctrl+alt+f1 then ctrl+alt+delete to restart the system? |
| 23:11.41 | martman | NandoFx any reason for it? |
| 23:11.56 | streuner | kenji: http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/search_res.php?pattern=Cam |
| 23:12.01 | NandoFx | martman, bootloader compatibility |
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| 23:12.32 | martman | NandoFx so do you need it wih grub? |
| 23:13.18 | NandoFx | martman, nop, but the system will create that symlink every time that a kernel install |
| 23:13.33 | daeos | got an issue with running debian on a ibm laptop, after linux loads and before gdm starts to open, gdm randomly will open and show a display and allow me to login, and i have to reboot the machine several times before it will load gdm. is this a known laptop issue? |
| 23:13.35 | martman | NandoFx thanks |
| 23:13.42 | NandoFx | (Y) |
| 23:14.13 | nzk | can i restart a machine while still in ssh |
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| 23:14.37 | bpun | martman, it's not mandatory, if so happens that the symlink is not really pointing to a file check that grub is not referencing it, but it's ok not to touch it.. |
| 23:14.47 | NandoFx | nzk, sure, but you know that the ssh session will die |
| 23:15.14 | nzk | thats fine i just want to be able to log into it |
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| 23:15.30 | daeos | exit |
| 23:15.44 | bpun | nzk, it might turn off the sticky bit for su if you're in via su to root.. |
| 23:16.05 | nzk | I get errors like this http://slexy.org/paste/2796 whenever I do anything in the shell |
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| 23:17.04 | bpun | nzk, remount to read-only and do a fsck check.. |
| 23:17.07 | en1gma | who built the pre-compiled kernels that has the setting that checks that gpl thing |
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| 23:17.25 | cafuego | en1gma: all kernels check that gpl thing |
| 23:17.32 | en1gma | amd64 does not |
| 23:17.32 | nzk | bpun, how |
| 23:17.35 | bpun | nzk, but it seems like its already doing that, so try e2fsck anyways.s. |
| 23:17.39 | cafuego | en1gma: If you dislike it, go to lkml and yell at the kernel developers. |
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| 23:17.57 | en1gma | well i was thinking it was someone here that did it to the pre-compiled kernels |
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| 23:18.00 | bpun | nzk, e2fsck /dev/hd<a>? -- or whatever device is your hd.. |
| 23:18.05 | en1gma | cause it IS NOT DONE in the amd64 |
| 23:18.15 | cafuego | en1gma: No, that would constitude a license change, which is illegal. |
| 23:18.20 | en1gma | same kernel version number |
| 23:18.36 | en1gma | so all distros are doing this now? |
| 23:18.41 | shadow_ | Anyone know of a guide to install flashplugin on iceweasel on a AMD64 install? |
| 23:19.08 | en1gma | shadow_ there is none that is why i switched back it o386 a couple hrs ago |
| 23:19.09 | bpun | shadow_, flash plugin for what?/ |
| 23:19.10 | cafuego | After 2.6.19 I think, they all set license info on exported symbols, yes. |
| 23:19.24 | en1gma | amd64 is not |
| 23:19.39 | en1gma | does not* |
| 23:19.53 | nzk | bpun, it just keeps giving me those same errors |
| 23:19.55 | bpun | shadow_, ah iceweasel.. |
| 23:19.57 | nzk | about the panic log and stuff |
| 23:20.05 | shadow_ | well, running an i386 chroot environment would probably work |
| 23:20.09 | bpun | nzk, flashplugin for firefox i386 not compat? |
| 23:20.12 | cafuego | shadow_: nspluginwrapper |
| 23:20.14 | shadow_ | but is there a way to run 32-bit iceweasel |
| 23:20.19 | nzk | bpun, ?? |
| 23:20.21 | nzk | exim: could not open panic log - aborting: see message(s) above |
| 23:20.37 | cafuego | nzk: The filesystem is read-only! |
| 23:20.37 | bpun | shadow_, flashplugin for firefox i386 not compat? |
| 23:20.52 | nzk | cafuego, how do i stop that |
| 23:20.55 | cafuego | nzk: So there is a problem with it. Check it using fsck like bpun says. |
| 23:21.00 | shadow_ | nah its not |
| 23:21.09 | nzk | i cant fsck |
| 23:21.12 | nzk | it makes that error |
| 23:21.27 | en1gma | if someone makes a package for the nvidia driver (here) will it still need that gpl tweak done? |
| 23:21.34 | en1gma | im talking about the beta drivers |
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| 23:21.54 | cafuego | en1gma: Oh, your problem is that the nvidia driver is broken, not the kernel. |
| 23:22.25 | en1gma | oh let me try the 100.14.03 instead of the 100.14.06 |
| 23:22.32 | en1gma | maybe the .03 will work |
| 23:22.47 | nzk | Trying to ssh now refuses my connection |
| 23:22.47 | nzk | ugh |
| 23:23.04 | cafuego | nzk: Reboot into single-user mode, run fsck. |
| 23:23.18 | en1gma | fuck i just deleted it a bit ago and its not on nvidias site |
| 23:23.22 | en1gma | let me check guru3d |
| 23:23.44 | cafuego | shadow_: nspluginwrapper is in Sid and should make i386 flash work OK with iceweasel64. |
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| 23:23.47 | Nebukadneza | hi |
| 23:23.57 | bpun | nzk, it's startup should boot into runlevel 2 for normal use, if not it's mounting / read-only.. and going to runlevel 1.. follow any instructions the terminal shows (connect a monitor terminal to it).. |
| 23:24.14 | Nebukadneza | is there a list of orphaned debian packages? |
| 23:24.24 | shadow_ | ok |
| 23:24.27 | shadow_ | i'll give it a try cafuego |
| 23:24.36 | Nebukadneza | i'd like to start maintaining some usefule package, so i thought picking up a orphaned one would be nice |
| 23:24.46 | en1gma | cafuego when you say the vcard drive is broken do you meaqn its not SIGNED |
| 23:25.42 | cafuego | en1gma: Yes, the source is not written to be allowed to link with the kernel code. |
| 23:25.46 | namit_home | ok so no joy in finding package in snapshot or in http://ftp.esat.net/pub/linux/debian/ sarge main. Where is best place to get most up to date packages? |
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| 23:26.05 | namit_home | can i change "sarge main" to something else? |
| 23:26.19 | en1gma | it works with the amd64 kernel and the 100.14.06 x64 driver |
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| 23:27.14 | cafuego | well, then my guess is the function in the kernel it think sit needs to link with is not present in the amd64 kernel. Either way, the bug is in the nvidia driver. |
| 23:28.10 | onur | Hi. I have a problem. My apt-get doesn't connect to any debian mirror. I try 3 different mirror. It's say connecting but doesn't connect to anywhere. Do you have any idea? |
| 23:28.24 | en1gma | that wouldnt be a bug |
| 23:28.38 | en1gma | i dont think* |
| 23:29.03 | cafuego | But it is. It means the nvidia driver is accessing functions it shouldn't. (KVM by any chance?) |
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| 23:31.06 | jinkusu | i have an acer laptop that i'm trying to debianify. acpi installed fine, but when i close the lid the lidbtn event fires continuously instead of a single time (like you would get with the power button). i hit google up and found some people talking about modifying the dsdt to correct the lid open/close logic. is anyone familiar enough with the decompiled syntax to help me fix the irq storm that results? barring that... any other suggestions? i can get a |
| 23:31.24 | jinkusu | as a kernel parameter, but that pretty much shuts down everything else acpi related as well. |
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| 23:33.34 | ttl- | how so i make iptables (klogd) stop from logging to my terminal ? |
| 23:33.57 | jduggan_ | setterm |
| 23:34.18 | jduggan_ | man setterm |
| 23:34.21 | ttl- | changing the log level in /etc/init.d/klogd is no longer done |
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| 23:37.43 | [0x90] | pwnt |
| 23:37.50 | SSL | [0x90] lol |
| 23:38.01 | SSL | [0x90] you're forcing people to be disconnected |
| 23:38.22 | [0x90] | they're disconnecting themselves |
| 23:38.49 | SSL | that's right |
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| 23:42.32 | ttl- | jduggan_: it's not a virtual console |
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| 23:47.17 | TrueDD | good night |
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| 23:50.24 | robin_sz | anyone know how to turn off the auto_indent stuff in vim? |
| 23:50.34 | robin_sz | its screwing up some pastes real bad |
| 23:50.53 | jduggan_ | :set paste |
| 23:50.57 | jduggan_ | :i |
| 23:51.23 | RichiH | Schlag: stop that |
| 23:51.32 | SSL | little child |
| 23:51.58 | jduggan_ | bou time |
| 23:52.04 | jduggan_ | about* |
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| 23:57.00 | garo | I want to make my own kernel but it needs support for xen, which package contains the patch ? |
| 23:57.06 | pstickne | how can I add a key to the apt-get trusted db? |
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| 23:57.43 | pstickne | I can't seem to master gpg -- I only seem to be able to add/list the current users gpg file, and not /etc/apt/trusteddb.pgp (or what it is) |
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