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| 00:00.54 | beoba | i'm on debian testing, which is using 2.6.18, is dling/compiling kernel source the easiest/preferred way of upgrading to 2.6.21? it looks like 2.6.21 is currently available in unstable |
| 00:01.34 | pstickne | the easiest way is just to install a prebuilt |
| 00:01.51 | beoba | yeah, but that doesnt appear to be an available option |
| 00:02.03 | pstickne | pin to unstable |
| 00:02.05 | pstickne | ? |
| 00:02.13 | nvz | wget / dpkg -i |
| 00:02.32 | beoba | won't it freak out about dependencies being the wrong version? |
| 00:02.38 | nvz | then again, pinning would insure you more timely updates |
| 00:02.42 | pstickne | beoba: maybe. one way to find out. |
| 00:02.52 | nvz | beoba: what dependencies does a kernel have? |
| 00:02.56 | beoba | libc |
| 00:03.21 | nvz | !depends linux-image-2.6 |
| 00:03.43 | beoba | though i spose its not compiling it so it might not |
| 00:04.35 | pstickne | if it were me, I'd just wait until it hit testing ... unless there is a new feature you really want |
| 00:05.04 | beoba | i have a ms natural 4000 keyboard |
| 00:05.09 | beoba | no shortcut keys work in .18 |
| 00:05.24 | beoba | at least i'd have partial in .21 |
| 00:05.46 | beoba | failing that i can do this patch: http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/4/30/33 |
| 00:06.51 | jhambo | How can I extract an image from an ms word doc? |
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| 00:07.45 | beoba | worst case scenario: screen capture + crop |
| 00:07.52 | beoba | (there's probably a better way than that) |
| 00:08.48 | pstickne | oo? abiword? |
| 00:09.08 | pstickne | (might be able to "save as", if you don't need it batch) |
| 00:09.32 | jhambo | pstickne: I can open it with oo but not sure how to grab the image itself... |
| 00:10.01 | pstickne | right click on it? any options? |
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| 00:12.20 | namit_home | How scared should i be of upgrading to etch? |
| 00:12.36 | namit_home | I know i know still have not done it yet |
| 00:13.02 | jhambo | namit_home: i've done it on two systems and didn't have any problems. Just follow the directions carefully |
| 00:13.35 | jhambo | namit_home: honestly, much less hassle than trying to maintain an out of date sarge system |
| 00:13.53 | namit_home | jhambo: what instuctions did yo follow |
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| 00:15.50 | jhambo | namit_home: assuming you're x86: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 00:16.12 | ix | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:16.16 | ix | *sigh* |
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| 00:19.43 | beoba | there, pinning is pretty neat, didnt know about that before |
| 00:20.10 | beoba | if im on an athlonxp, would -686 or -k7 be preferable for linux-image? |
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| 00:20.28 | beoba | i figured it'd be k7 but might as well check this |
| 00:20.51 | Knorrie | athlonxp=amd |
| 00:20.53 | Knorrie | k7 |
| 00:22.34 | beoba | yeah, didnt know if there was some other reason to stick to 686 |
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| 00:23.09 | Knorrie | hmm dont know.. i use 2.6.18-4-xen-686 on a AMD Athlon machine because there's no alternative |
| 00:23.14 | Knorrie | and it runs just fine |
| 00:23.39 | beoba | installing "linux-image-2.6.21-1-k7" |
| 00:23.47 | Knorrie | 21? |
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| 00:23.49 | Knorrie | whee |
| 00:24.06 | beoba | in order for weird keyboard buttons to work correctly |
| 00:24.34 | Knorrie | cool |
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| 00:29.42 | Cooner750 | I've installed Tomcat 5 via apt-get install tomcat5, and the last line was "Starting Tomcat 5 servlet engine using Java from /usr/lib/kaffe: tomcat5 |
| 00:29.50 | daeos | hey guys i have an issue similar to this webpost ... http://www.debianhelp.org/node/6025 |
| 00:30.00 | Cooner750 | But upon trying to visit port 8080 on said machine, I get unable to connect |
| 00:30.10 | daeos | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:30.12 | Cooner750 | Does the Debian package of Tomcat 5 run on 8080? or is it a different port? |
| 00:31.07 | thiago-tiveron | hello people! :P |
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| 00:34.26 | bpun | Cooner750, netstat -plutn|grep 8080 |
| 00:35.00 | Cooner750 | bpun: No return |
| 00:35.15 | bpun | Cooner750, the enter key can be found in the middle of your keyboard.. |
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| 00:36.07 | Cooner750 | I'm not dumb. The command returns nothing other than a new prompt. |
| 00:36.22 | bpun | Cooner750, think.. type 'whatis netstat' in console |
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| 00:40.05 | sciron | so why is it that in lenny, udev looks for groups tss, fuse, kvm, and rdma when they do not exist in a default debian configuration? |
| 00:42.14 | beoba | pinning 2.6.21 was ultimately unsuccessful, things now hang while the system boots |
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| 00:42.34 | beoba | it's stuck at "drivers/usb/input/hid-core.c: v2.6:USB HID core driver" |
| 00:42.51 | beoba | if i reboot into 2.6.18, it continues into some IDE stuff after printing that line |
| 00:43.26 | beoba | im guessing that there's some other package which has to be installed/updated which the maintainer has decided to omit from 2.6.21's prereqs |
| 00:43.36 | jae | Anyone here know why sun-java5/6-doc is only an installer and not the real package? |
| 00:43.57 | beoba | i'd guess licensing crap |
| 00:45.22 | bpun | beoba, k7 for athlon gives you problems? |
| 00:45.36 | jae | I'd guess something on that order myself, but I don't see the (obvious) difference from the bin packages |
| 00:45.51 | beoba | well, it stops booting, so i guess it does |
| 00:45.58 | beoba | i dont think it's the k7 that's causing it |
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| 00:46.16 | jae | sun-java5-jdk et al require you to say "Yes" to an EULA (whee, and that's not non-free... isn't *that* a first for a main package?) |
| 00:46.17 | bpun | beoba, what were you using before? |
| 00:46.18 | beoba | (rather the 2.6.21 running on a system which assumes 2.6.18) |
| 00:46.25 | beoba | plain testing |
| 00:46.42 | beoba | specifically 2.6.18-4-486 |
| 00:46.42 | bpun | beoba, those numbers mean nothing without telling me the kernel architecture |
| 00:46.57 | beoba | that's the one that is current in testing |
| 00:47.10 | bpun | beoba, you're using 486 on athlon? you're probalby going to miss alot of features for the proc. |
| 00:47.13 | beoba | if i go to 2.6.21-1-k7 from unstable, then the system doesn't finish booting |
| 00:47.30 | beoba | i've left the 2.6.18 alone as i was planning to go to .21 anyway |
| 00:47.34 | beoba | hence my current problem |
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| 00:47.41 | bpun | beoba, you still didn't answer my question.. |
| 00:48.04 | beoba | 486 on athlon?: apparently so |
| 00:48.07 | beoba | the system is a 2100+ |
| 00:48.34 | beoba | how does that resolve the issue of 2.6.21 not booting? |
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| 00:49.00 | bpun | beoba, nevermind. |
| 00:49.16 | Cooner750 | are there any audio volume/mixer apps for the Console? |
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| 00:49.24 | sciron | amixer |
| 00:49.33 | sciron | for one |
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| 00:51.14 | johnga1t | okay, i've got a debian system that died while i was apt-getting some (very important) upgrades. now i'm missing all kinds of stuff. can't boot. what to do? |
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| 00:51.54 | cafuego | Is anyone here running sarge mysql/php4 and getting php4 segfaults when mysql_fetch_field() is called? |
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| 00:53.44 | bpun | johnga1t, if you're lucky you might be able to still access apt-get via a jail root, or you can try passing the database location as an argument to dpkg manager tools.. |
| 00:54.10 | johnga1t | bpun: not sure what either of those mean. any way i might be able to use a netinst cd or something to finish apt-getting things? |
| 00:54.27 | beoba | yeah, boot into the cd, alt+f3 to load up a crappy on-cd console |
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| 00:54.46 | beoba | then mount your system somewhere on the crappy on-cd filesystem |
| 00:54.57 | johnga1t | beoba: okay, then how do i tell apt-get where to look? |
| 00:55.19 | bpun | johnga1t, basically it means to boot up via cd, and jail-root means using 'chroot'.. if you can't chroot (treat /mnt/someHD mountpoint as "/"), then you might be able to treat /mnt/HD/var/dpkg/<smthing> as an argument to work on your dpkg databse.. |
| 00:55.23 | beoba | there's some command which makes the shell re-orient itself to a given directory |
| 00:55.27 | beoba | oh, yeah, chroot |
| 00:55.46 | johnga1t | beoba: ah, right. i recall this from a gentoo install once. |
| 00:56.12 | johnga1t | ah -- it seems that specifically it died w/ the wrong e2fsprogs installed. perhaps i can finagle my way into just installing that package. |
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| 00:56.57 | beoba | yeah that's where i remember it from |
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| 01:00.17 | bpun | beoba, chroot was not inially developed for the prime purpose of fixing things.. it's quite a cheap fix.. |
| 01:01.05 | beoba | well, considering that youre hopefully only using it for 5 minutes, it's fine |
| 01:01.31 | bpun | beoba, chroot might not help him.. i have no idea what's wrong with his syst |
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| 01:02.05 | beoba | yes because irc should be authoritative rather than helpful |
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| 01:02.37 | bpun | beoba, i'm not being sarcastic.. either of the two ways i've given him might not even work.. so i guess i'll have to see.. |
| 01:03.14 | beoba | *nod* |
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| 01:03.29 | daeos | hey guys i have an issue similar to this webpost ... http://www.debianhelp.org/node/6025 |
| 01:03.34 | daeos | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:07.17 | K_Dallas | Hi guys! Dell-OptiplexGX110, installation of the latest stable Debian (a single CD without network) went all well and smooth except for the video adaptor. My resolution is too low and the board has an Intel 810 Series Integrated Video. Looked around the google search hits but nothing of help there. |
| 01:08.26 | K_Dallas | (PS: I know that it is an old bo but that is why I decided to install Debian on it in the first place to let my daughter learn some basic Linux stuff while she has her XP on dual boot. |
| 01:09.18 | dvs | K_Dallas: reconfigure X to only use the resolution(s) that you want. |
| 01:09.41 | beoba | (run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg) |
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| 01:09.51 | K_Dallas | dvs it only has one resolution |
| 01:09.55 | beoba | (in a terminal window (accessteries->terminal)) |
| 01:09.57 | beoba | -t |
| 01:10.04 | K_Dallas | 640 x something |
| 01:10.11 | beoba | oh wait dont do that, its way too complicated |
| 01:10.13 | dvs | K_Dallas: but X setup probably put in serveral |
| 01:10.39 | K_Dallas | dvs, yes i remember (I am a bit rusty) i will try that in the next reboot, thanks |
| 01:10.43 | beoba | if you're in gnome, there should be a configurator in system->administration->screen resolution (or something like that) |
| 01:10.47 | dvs | K_Dallas: no prob |
| 01:11.00 | K_Dallas | btw, i loved the changes in the installer :) |
| 01:11.21 | bpun | K_Dallas, you can also turn off the ctrl-+ and ctrl |
| 01:11.23 | K_Dallas | i hadn't had installed a debian in over a year and this one was nice even though I still used the non gui :) |
| 01:11.38 | K_Dallas | bpun, sorry, what are those? |
| 01:11.39 | bpun | K_Dallas, (xorg.conf) |
| 01:11.48 | K_Dallas | bpun, ok, thanks |
| 01:12.16 | bpun | K_Dallas, it prevents meta keys-- ctrl-+, etc and ctrl-alt-backspace from playing with the X server settings, and prevents resetting the X server |
| 01:12.45 | busfahrer | Why does the base system include python 2.4? |
| 01:12.58 | dvs | busfahrer: why should it? |
| 01:13.00 | bpun | K_Dallas, if you want 1 fixed setting for video, you can edit the xorg.conf file and comment out the others.. |
| 01:13.44 | K_Dallas | bpun, that is probably what i am going to do, i dont need anything fancy on that box just a good resolution and some programming languages |
| 01:13.50 | litage | logrotate rotates /var/log/syslog and reloads syslog-ng every day. every other time it does, after syslog-ng is reloaded, syslog-ng is no longer running. this started happening after upgrading from sarge to etch. any suggestions on how to debug or fix this? |
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| 01:14.05 | bpun | K_Dallas, i think the basic debian installer puts in python .. so that seems good.. |
| 01:14.21 | K_Dallas | bpun, i noticed that during the installation |
| 01:14.39 | bpun | K_Dallas, there's also something like turtle available.. |
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| 01:15.01 | K_Dallas | i have been trying to teach her some latex and c++, pretty basic but that was a year ago. now i might be able to go a step up |
| 01:15.32 | K_Dallas | bpun, we have tried turtle, if it is the same thing as logo or lego whatever it was but i dont like it personally |
| 01:16.16 | beoba | if youre just introducing her to programming languages, you might find python a much gentler introduction |
| 01:16.42 | K_Dallas | beoba, well in that case i become a student as well ;) |
| 01:16.53 | bpun | K_Dallas, if you're looking for a good example of introducting web programming.. it should'nt be too hard then to teach php.. |
| 01:17.16 | K_Dallas | the thing that makes python interesting to me is that it has been used in scientific domain but i havent touched it yet |
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| 01:17.34 | bpun | K_Dallas, python can be used in place of perl for web programming as well.. |
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| 01:17.41 | K_Dallas | i see |
| 01:18.34 | bpun | K_Dallas, have you tried out zope? |
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| 01:19.00 | dvs | bpun: no drugs in here please. ;-) |
| 01:19.03 | K_Dallas | bpun, i think i have never heard of it till now |
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| 01:19.46 | bpun | K_Dallas, you can keep your current python scripts unchanged and use it for creating web things.. having zope (which is a framework using python).. |
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| 01:21.04 | K_Dallas | bpun, that sounds interesting so i might actually put sometime on it this summer and get somewhere with it |
| 01:21.46 | bpun | K_Dallas, you should also teach the concept of how languages can be interfaced with each other.. basically nowadays any language can be interfaced... |
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| 01:22.38 | cast | pythons fun. |
| 01:22.57 | K_Dallas | that is what we didnt have when i learnt fortran back in the old time but yes, nowadays it has become very important |
| 01:23.37 | K_Dallas | cast, i have been told and read a lot about python to be a good language to start with even for children, so i am going to give it a go |
| 01:24.10 | cast | who's going to learn it? |
| 01:24.24 | bpun | cast, his penguin :) |
| 01:24.25 | cafuego | arrgh arrgh arrgh |
| 01:24.29 | K_Dallas | cast, well first of all, me, then my daughter (10yearsold) |
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| 01:24.55 | cast | ahh. i suggest staying far away from C++ then ^_^ |
| 01:24.56 | bpun | K_Dallas, python is a good language to start with.. |
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| 01:25.36 | K_Dallas | bpun, i am going to have a look into it next weekend and see how i like it but i am sure that is how you say |
| 01:25.50 | bpun | K_Dallas, it's also pretty powerful.. and can be used for web programming.. but not people know about that.. and think perl/php are the usual ways to go.. |
| 01:26.12 | bpun | K_Dallas, do you program perl/php ? |
| 01:26.48 | K_Dallas | not at all, i am most into programming sci/eng stuff and we mostly use matlab, comsol, ... |
| 01:27.04 | K_Dallas | and for fun, i try to stay away from computers ;) |
| 01:27.12 | bpun | K_Dallas, don't be surprised i've seen listed mathlab mods working with python.. |
| 01:27.24 | K_Dallas | bpun, i know :) |
| 01:28.10 | bpun | K_Dallas, so i guess you use latex often? |
| 01:28.14 | K_Dallas | so, any good introductory book for python? |
| 01:29.19 | beoba | diveintopython.org <- book available in html, pdf, or physical form |
| 01:29.19 | K_Dallas | bpun, yes but recently i have been using Office Word and it hasnt been much fun |
| 01:29.19 | bpun | K_Dallas, the language has a strong development support so anything that is a few years old may still do for youngsters.. |
| 01:29.19 | beoba | though it assumes you already know programming concepts from elsewhere |
| 01:29.20 | beoba | (ie it doesnt go into 'what is a variable' or anything like that) |
| 01:29.27 | bpun | K_Dallas, since the basics never really change-- especially it's strong semantic requirments of the tab.. |
| 01:30.42 | K_Dallas | beoba, thanks i am going to look into it |
| 01:30.42 | K_Dallas | true |
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| 01:30.42 | bpun | beoba, he does fortran, he's a scientist.. |
| 01:30.42 | K_Dallas | bpun, i did fortran ;) |
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| 01:30.42 | K_Dallas | but true, it is strangely enough the language used in many enginssering diciplines |
| 01:30.42 | jhambo | I still think c is best place to start... though don't know python. Doesn't python have meaningful whitespace? that's a bit odd... |
| 01:30.43 | bpun | K_Dallas, it's great for numbers fortran.. still very popular... |
| 01:30.43 | K_Dallas | indeed |
| 01:30.53 | daeos | hey guys i have an issue similar to this webpost ... http://www.debianhelp.org/node/6025 |
| 01:30.56 | neosmatrix | hi @ all - if i try to boot my self compiled kernel it always ends with the message: int 6: cr2 00000000 .... i now use debian etch dvd upgraded to unstable - before i had installed from dvd i used a debian sarge upgraded to etch and every kernel i compiled was ok - is this error known ? |
| 01:30.57 | daeos | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:31.28 | bpun | daeos, have you tried passing noacpi, or something like it? find out what interrupts are giving problems.. |
| 01:31.33 | dvs | K_Dallas: shu... I mean.. you're welcome |
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| 01:31.49 | jhambo | hehe |
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| 01:32.07 | neosmatrix | i hope i was friendly enough :) |
| 01:32.09 | K_Dallas | ;) i have always loved this chan and learnt a lot from too |
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| 01:33.15 | K_Dallas | i might be wrong but there used to be spelling-police in this channel a few years ago ;) or it was another chan |
| 01:33.30 | dvs | K_Dallas: abrotman's not here. |
| 01:33.36 | bpun | !dpkg |
| 01:33.36 | dpkg | dpkg is, like, the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". also ask me about <apt howto> |
| 01:33.37 | K_Dallas | lol yeah |
| 01:33.39 | thingfish | K_Dallas: oh there's still a little bit of that that goes on. |
| 01:33.46 | K_Dallas | i see thingfish |
| 01:33.57 | nvz | !yinzersmite the spelling-police |
| 01:33.58 | bpun | K_Dallas, he's called dpkg now.. but it's a bot-- a factoid |
| 01:34.01 | dvs | K_Dallas: ...and it's "channel" not "chan" |
| 01:34.06 | dvs | ;-) |
| 01:34.14 | K_Dallas | lol yeah |
| 01:34.18 | jhambo | There have to be some standards for communication otherwise choas reigns. Just take a look at #linux... |
| 01:34.27 | DannyD | should I? |
| 01:34.45 | daeos | dvs: oh man, i was thinking the same thing... |
| 01:34.49 | thingfish | but then, I personally don't think it's so unreasonable to expect correct english - although of course you cut some slack to non-native speakers. |
| 01:34.58 | K_Dallas | jhambo, i agree totally but havent you received emails with no subject or subjects like: re:re:re:fwd:re:.... ? |
| 01:34.58 | DannyD | like me ;) |
| 01:35.03 | daeos | dvs: abrotman makes this channel go round and round |
| 01:35.06 | thingfish | ;) |
| 01:35.25 | thingfish | he's very helpful, definitely |
| 01:35.26 | dvs | daeos: he does add some spice to it |
| 01:35.32 | haxality | dvs: I think its quite fair to shorten channel to chan |
| 01:35.41 | K_Dallas | well, time to go and see how i could make etch work with that old Dell-Optiplex. Thanks again guys! |
| 01:35.46 | DannyD | well,imho,i like the fact that this channel is alive |
| 01:35.51 | daeos | ..... my issue is a paint |
| 01:35.51 | jhambo | I would say 40% of the problems I've had have been solved by abrotman |
| 01:35.53 | daeos | pain* |
| 01:35.54 | DannyD | a lot of irc channels are quite dead |
| 01:36.09 | bpun | K_Dallas, good luck.. come back if you have any problem :) |
| 01:36.17 | K_Dallas | will do and thanks bpun |
| 01:36.18 | thingfish | DannyD: it's a holiday here in the USA. |
| 01:36.19 | daeos | abrotman is basically a deb god in my eyes with some attitude |
| 01:36.26 | DannyD | thingfish: it is? which one? |
| 01:36.28 | daeos | thingfish: tomorrow! |
| 01:36.49 | jhambo | for me #debian is a big point in favor of running debian |
| 01:36.55 | daeos | DannyD: Memorial Day |
| 01:36.58 | DannyD | okay |
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| 01:37.12 | dvs | I forgot! |
| 01:37.14 | DannyD | well,im in .NL,we do have the day off tommorow |
| 01:37.24 | arnnn | any idea what is the recommended vieweing distance for 17 inch lcd ? |
| 01:37.31 | thingfish | DannyD: Memorial Day. daeos: yes, of course that's true, but people are mostly occupied today and tomorrow, if not yesterday as well. |
| 01:37.36 | dvs | DannyD: and our day off was last Monday |
| 01:37.44 | DannyD | okay |
| 01:37.48 | cast | arnnn: those ergonomic diagrams seem to say 1m alot |
| 01:37.53 | DannyD | so i can assume a lot of americans in this channel? |
| 01:38.29 | Ronin | some are some aren't DannyD |
| 01:38.30 | arnnn | cast, it's hard to read the text of 17 inch lcd's native resolution at 1 meter |
| 01:38.33 | dvs | DannyD: bite your tongue! |
| 01:38.40 | DannyD | lol,why? :) |
| 01:38.45 | DannyD | people find that an isult or smth? |
| 01:38.47 | DannyD | ) |
| 01:38.48 | DannyD | ;) |
| 01:38.52 | thingfish | DannyD: I think it's pretty international in here, actually - although probably mostly native english speakers, since there are so many other debian channels for those who speak other languages. |
| 01:39.04 | jhambo | how can I extract images from an openoffice doc? other than screen capture... |
| 01:39.20 | cast | jhambo: export to html? |
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| 01:39.33 | DannyD | i _am_ impressed by the amount of people here. |
| 01:39.40 | DannyD | holiday or not |
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| 01:39.53 | Ronin | DannyD: most of use don't disconnect our irc clients |
| 01:40.01 | Ronin | or turn off the computers unless we have too |
| 01:40.01 | bpun | jhambo, don't see why not.. peruse a tool for it.. |
| 01:40.04 | DannyD | yeah like me |
| 01:40.16 | DannyD | same here,lot of idle monkeys |
| 01:40.20 | cast | [111020] Irssi uptime: 7d 10h 26m 23s |
| 01:40.22 | cast | :) |
| 01:40.29 | DannyD | yeah |
| 01:40.36 | bpun | cast, i guess he wants embedded images to filenames foobar001.xxx |
| 01:40.37 | DannyD | i have a xp box for gaming |
| 01:40.48 | DannyD | and sometimes,its on so long,nothing freaks anymore,windows borks it all |
| 01:41.04 | DannyD | after 5 weeks,its not quite meant to be on so long,im sometimes still amazed |
| 01:41.04 | sagotis | im sitting at xdm (a genaric x disply manager) login screen and i want to restart the system - is there a better way other then ctrl+alt+f1 then ctrl+alt+delete to restart the system? |
| 01:41.06 | dvs | DannyD: that's the only reason why I keep XP around |
| 01:41.16 | DannyD | dvs> yeah me too |
| 01:41.18 | DannyD | unfortunatly |
| 01:41.27 | bpun | sagotis, yeah, hibernate! :) |
| 01:41.45 | DannyD | so terrible that there's almost no games out,how weird it might seem |
| 01:41.52 | cast | sagotis: ..sure, login and run reboot. but i wouldn't call it 'better'. does your power button work properly? |
| 01:41.56 | DannyD | a lot of people would completely switch over |
| 01:42.00 | sagotis | bpun, naw i mean i really want to shut it down |
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| 01:42.19 | Ronin | DannyD: bitch to the game manufactors |
| 01:42.27 | DannyD | i would if it would help. |
| 01:42.31 | sagotis | cast: i was told never to shut off the power to a live system |
| 01:42.57 | neosmatrix | is there a better time for asking about kernel errors ? |
| 01:43.03 | dvs | sagotis: my system will perform a proper shutdown if I press the power button |
| 01:43.15 | Ronin | DannyD: every one who does helps |
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| 01:43.22 | bpun | sagotis, well i don't use xdm, but probably it's customizable along or perhaps you can look into any X resources -- for making a meta shortkey to call the shutdown program.. |
| 01:43.25 | cast | sagotis: well on mums debian box..hitting the power button will run the shutdown sequence. dunno if my power button works |
| 01:43.34 | DannyD | Ronin: its like all things in life,if the masses demand it,it would be created |
| 01:43.39 | DannyD | not 2000 people on the planet |
| 01:43.42 | sagotis | dvs: that is polly because its a newer system, however, this thing is a 233 mhz p1 ;) |
| 01:43.44 | DannyD | 1 massive demand of games ;) |
| 01:44.00 | DannyD | and,then offcourse,the downside is,we are kinda obliged to buy them ;) |
| 01:44.01 | daeos | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:44.05 | daeos | i have 5 of those chips in a box |
| 01:44.06 | dvs | sagotis: ok. Probably dont' work. Computers before 2001 probably wont' work |
| 01:44.18 | Ronin | DannyD: and the masses are made up of groups of one complaining |
| 01:44.26 | DannyD | Ronin: exactly ;) |
| 01:44.28 | bpun | sagotis, eh i just placed debian4 on a p1 166mhz.. :).. piece of junk but seems fine enough at 800x600.. |
| 01:44.37 | sagotis | deaeos: yeah im running blackbox - it also has 256 megs of ram but a 4 meg viedo card :( |
| 01:44.46 | DannyD | bpun: make a great ircbox |
| 01:44.55 | daeos | DannyD: true... |
| 01:44.59 | sagotis | DannyD: that is what this is |
| 01:45.02 | DannyD | yeah ;) |
| 01:45.08 | daeos | sagotis: i paid $40 on ebay for a p3 450 + board and case |
| 01:45.12 | daeos | and ram |
| 01:45.19 | DannyD | still need to make a box dedicated for irc |
| 01:45.32 | bpun | DannyD, well asg told me to check out a network storage device and install debian onto so that I can have squid on.. if that fails i guess i'm stuck with this p1 with two nics for tryring a proxy.. |
| 01:45.40 | daeos | sagotis: i'd move up a bit in technology ... prehaps at least p2 |
| 01:45.51 | daeos | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:45.56 | DannyD | bpun: heh |
| 01:45.56 | sagotis | daeos: my main system is a p4 2.4ghz 1 gig ram and 256 ramed nvida |
| 01:46.16 | daeos | sagotis: thats all good and fine... but for a nice little box at least p2 |
| 01:46.32 | daeos | unless you get rid of gui |
| 01:46.39 | sagotis | daeos: true but this was free so... ;) |
| 01:46.42 | bpun | DannyD, that's a good thing.. last time i tried that i couldn't get it going ;/.. what you recommend for irc? |
| 01:47.05 | DannyD | if i would make an ircbox |
| 01:47.05 | sagotis | btw this is running debian 4.0 |
| 01:47.11 | sagotis | as well as my main |
| 01:47.11 | DannyD | anything almost will do |
| 01:47.26 | cast | why make a dedicated ircbox? |
| 01:47.31 | jhambo | cast: yeah, the export thing doesn't seem to work. Images aren't even showing up in the xhtml |
| 01:47.52 | sagotis | cast: so i can leave it on forever :) |
| 01:47.53 | cast | jhambo: hmm, maybe pdf then extract images form that? |
| 01:47.53 | DannyD | cast: just a box with a 15" crt and a nice old keyboard |
| 01:47.56 | bpun | DannyD, i'm also looking for voice support.. hehe.. there's asterisk, but it would be nice if there was an irc blend with it.. |
| 01:48.11 | DannyD | bpun: i dont think so :P |
| 01:48.24 | DannyD | 'did u mean debt eons?' |
| 01:48.32 | DannyD | 'no DEBIAN U COW' |
| 01:48.34 | DannyD | etc |
| 01:48.59 | thingfish | DannyD: which is it? Debian, or Ubuntu? |
| 01:49.00 | DannyD | and youll have clippy coming on your crt screaming |
| 01:49.02 | sagotis | so that is the only way i can restart the system then is the old way - drag oh well... |
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| 01:49.18 | Ronin | thingfish: or a dual boot? |
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| 01:49.25 | DannyD | dual boot ;) |
| 01:49.25 | thingfish | Ronin: I bet not. |
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| 01:49.31 | Ronin | thingfish: likewise |
| 01:49.32 | thingfish | oh ok, I was wrong ;) |
| 01:49.38 | DannyD | why wouldnt i dual boot? :) |
| 01:50.44 | daeos | sagotis: thats nice then... prehaps find some more ram |
| 01:50.44 | daeos | 72 pin simms ? |
| 01:50.44 | sagotis | btw is there any way to trun off hibernate? |
| 01:50.45 | sagotis | daeos: naw the problem is low viedo ram |
| 01:50.45 | jhambo | cast: export to pdf then pdfimages worked. Thanks |
| 01:50.45 | DannyD | sagotis: why would u m8? |
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| 01:50.59 | sagotis | DannyD: because i want it up at all times? |
| 01:51.06 | Ronin | heh no comment |
| 01:51.51 | DannyD | hard one to explain,i thought you meant,completely whacking it out of the system |
| 01:52.05 | DannyD | instead of 'disabling it to hibernate after x m/h' |
| 01:52.16 | DannyD | 4 am,slack ;) |
| 01:52.44 | DannyD | brb |
| 01:52.52 | sagotis | DannyD: yeah i'd like to disable it |
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| 01:55.36 | abrotman | dvs: ? |
| 01:55.50 | dvs | abrotman: run! It's the grammar police! ;-) |
| 01:55.57 | abrotman | daeos: your eyes have attitude ? |
| 01:57.10 | hajhouse | is it feasible to convert an i386 etch installation into an amd64 installation without reinstalling from scratch? |
| 01:57.36 | sagotis | btw aide is wacked and seems unfuntional - anyoone get it here to work without seeking /tmp/empty/aide.db.new file? |
| 01:57.47 | abrotman | hajhouse: debootstrap is the closest you'll get |
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| 01:58.08 | hajhouse | abrotman: thanks i'll try it. |
| 01:58.12 | johnga1t | hey beoba, bpun sorry i disappeared for a bit |
| 01:58.14 | bpun | hajhouse, dpkg --get-selections store it to a file, install amd64, then apply dpkg --set-selections |
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| 01:59.08 | bpun | !tell hajhouse about selections |
| 01:59.16 | cast | unfortunately that doesn't save the automatically installed attribute that i know of :< |
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| 01:59.54 | hajhouse | that's true. and i think it still involves a reinstall. |
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| 02:00.28 | bpun | hajhouse, well you're going to remove them anyways so it's a good reason to have /home separate on another partition.. |
| 02:00.45 | cast | hajhouse: hey you can use lvm this time around :D |
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| 02:01.36 | rares000 | is there a reason kate mangles the code folding? |
| 02:01.41 | sagotis | so no one here has used the prog aide then? |
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| 02:02.44 | hajhouse | bpun, cast: i'm not trying to change disk layout, i'm trying to change all installed code from i386 to amd64 code to take advantage of my 64-bit cpus |
| 02:03.00 | abrotman | !debtakeover |
| 02:03.00 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debtakeover is Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian (woody, not sarge! Use DEFAULT_SUITE=woody and upgrade from there) for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/. You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandribble and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin. |
| 02:03.11 | abrotman | though i don't know that'd work either |
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| 02:03.29 | bpun | hajhouse, well if you don't want to do that then there's no point.. since those programs will not run any faster.. |
| 02:03.39 | dvs | what about "No well" ? |
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| 02:04.07 | hajhouse | abrotman: thanks, i will investigate that |
| 02:04.34 | johnga1t | beoba: i'm back (from before, w/ the dead debian install) ... booted from debian disk, chroot-ed |
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| 02:04.54 | hajhouse | bpun: no faster true, but i will be able to access additional memory |
| 02:05.11 | daeos | wow abrotman is here |
| 02:05.12 | bpun | hajhouse, hehee.. what do you have 2 terabyte or ram? |
| 02:05.26 | abrotman | daeos: i've been in the channel all day .. just busy |
| 02:05.40 | hajhouse | bpun: just 8Gb currently with plans for more |
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| 02:06.24 | bpun | hajhouse, in that case, it's probably worth it to create a separate partition and change the way things get swapped.. that might help.. |
| 02:06.25 | daeos | abrotman: prehaps you would..... ponder over this current issue of mine then... |
| 02:06.34 | DannyD_ | wow,takes long to time out ;) |
| 02:06.44 | daeos | abrotman: i have an issue similar to this webpost ... http://www.debianhelp.org/node/6025 |
| 02:06.45 | abrotman | daeos: i didn't read all the backlog :) |
| 02:06.57 | daeos | abrotman: heard of this issue? running etch on an ibm t20 ? |
| 02:07.05 | abrotman | let me read it |
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| 02:07.59 | hajhouse | bpun: agreed. :) i didn't mean earlier that disk-layout changes/ lvm are not a good idea for me, it just wasn't really the topic i was asking about |
| 02:08.12 | abrotman | daeos: same problem with X ? |
| 02:08.37 | bpun | hajhouse, i should refer to the idea that you can use ram partitions.. have /tmp and swap in ram.. |
| 02:09.16 | daeos | abrotman: ? no, this is a friend's laptop i installed deb on |
| 02:09.24 | abrotman | daeos: so what's the actual problem ?> |
| 02:09.25 | daeos | abrotman: randomly will load gdm |
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| 02:10.07 | daeos | abrotman: the laptop will randomly load gdm after full kernal load.... sometimes it goes blank, and sometimes it will go to the login screen |
| 02:10.21 | daeos | let me paste the jist of the webpage |
| 02:10.37 | hajhouse | bpun: good idea about /tmp in ram, but i don't see the point of swapfile in ram. can you explain? |
| 02:10.56 | abrotman | you wouldn't put the swapfile in RAM |
| 02:11.21 | johnga1t | my /etc/resolv.conf had the incorrect nameservers. i've corrected them now, but they're still not taking -- do i need to restart something? |
| 02:11.39 | mmlj4 | johnga1t: are you running your own name server? |
| 02:11.46 | daeos | One of the last log messages said starting gnome display manager, then the screen went blank, then both the hard drive and ethernet activity LEDs began to flash and then the T20 went belly-up. Nothing worked but the power button |
| 02:11.49 | abrotman | not taking with what app ? |
| 02:11.51 | mmlj4 | or perhaps a caching daemon? |
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| 02:11.59 | johnga1t | mmlj4: nope. just trying to repair a broken system that i've chrooted to |
| 02:12.07 | abrotman | daeos: tried the VESA driver instead of the i810 ? |
| 02:12.13 | mmlj4 | or yeah, maybe an app has the old numbers cached |
| 02:12.27 | mmlj4 | chrooted? well, there's a place to look |
| 02:12.43 | crashsystems | ftp.us.debian.org |
| 02:13.02 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 02:13.02 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
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| 02:13.16 | johnga1t | mmlj4: not sure what you mean ... i have the correct nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf, i believe |
| 02:13.25 | crashsystems | um... I mean that ftp.us.debian.org seems to be down. Has anyone noticed a problem connecting to it? |
| 02:13.26 | abrotman | johnga1t: do all apps see the old numbers ? |
| 02:13.35 | abrotman | crashsystems: pick another mirror .. see above URl |
| 02:13.36 | daeos | abrotman: i'll look into that, i have not messed with any configuration as the netinstall did not ask anything about x settings, nor display settings for x |
| 02:13.36 | abrotman | URL |
| 02:13.39 | johnga1t | abrotman: dunno how to check. |
| 02:13.46 | daeos | abrotman: but that sounds like a good idea to try |
| 02:13.47 | crashsystems | ok, thanks |
| 02:14.06 | abrotman | johnga1t: are all apps having the same issue ? have you tried with dig/host/nslookup ? |
| 02:14.10 | daeos | abrotman: i was trying to find out what vcard is in it, but i can only speculate |
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| 02:14.25 | abrotman | lspci | grep VGA |
| 02:15.07 | johnga1t | abrotman: yep. all have problem. perhaps i should just reboot w/ correct resolv.conf |
| 02:15.16 | abrotman | johnga1t: that's one option |
| 02:15.52 | abrotman | how do you know it's using the wrong ones ? |
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| 02:16.16 | johnga1t | abrotman: yah, think i'm gonna go for the brute force reboot. |
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| 02:18.16 | abrotman | johnga1t: what if you name the nameserver you want in the dig/nslookup ? |
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| 02:18.48 | daeos | abrotman: was that lspci | grep VGA command for me? |
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| 02:18.55 | abrotman | yes |
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| 02:20.02 | bpun | johnga1t, type 'sync' before any bruteforce reboots.. |
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| 02:20.33 | neosmatrix | anyone knows how to enable cpu_frequenzy_scaling with kpowersave on my intel core 2 duo 6320 ? |
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| 02:21.38 | johnga1t | bpun: hmm ... didn't seem to do it. |
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| 02:22.34 | bpun | johnga1t, that simply flushes any buffers left for writing to disk.. it's likely your last changes were written.. |
| 02:22.38 | johnga1t | abrotman: host on the dns works just fine. |
| 02:22.44 | DannyD_ | strange to reboot for a resolv.conf update |
| 02:23.06 | abrotman | johnga1t: sure .. but how do you know you're getting bad results ? |
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| 02:23.32 | johnga1t | abrotman: hmmm ... not sure. no idea what i'm doing ,sadly. |
| 02:23.39 | phil4 | After you down writting a program how to turn in to debian package please? |
| 02:23.44 | abrotman | maybe try a trace with dig ? |
| 02:23.47 | abrotman | !mg |
| 02:23.47 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ online). 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or may mean Madagascar. |
| 02:23.54 | abrotman | !tell phil4 about nm |
| 02:24.12 | johnga1t | abrotman: shouldn't dhcp be picking up dns servers? |
| 02:24.34 | DannyD_ | if the dhcpd publishes them |
| 02:24.49 | johnga1t | abrotman: ah, nevermind. i fixed it up. |
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| 02:25.04 | phil4 | Ok |
| 02:25.08 | abrotman | johnga1t: rebooting fixed it ? |
| 02:26.18 | johnga1t | abrotman: nah, i was just being real dumb. used my router's gateway instead of external ip |
| 02:26.31 | abrotman | oh |
| 02:26.40 | johnga1t | abrotman: so, once again, my own stupidity. |
| 02:26.47 | DannyD_ | ;) |
| 02:26.48 | abrotman | it's an accident! |
| 02:27.44 | johnga1t | abrotman: the amazing to see now will be if i can repair this install that i've chrooted to |
| 02:28.07 | daeos | abrotman: ok i see what that command will do, once i do that all i need to do is exit the xfree86 config file... or xorg config file.. which ever xserver is running right? |
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| 02:28.25 | abrotman | it should be xorg |
| 02:28.29 | bpun | johnga1t, if you can have access to the dpkg database, you can try verifiying all the packages with it against any missing files.. |
| 02:28.30 | abrotman | daeos: did you find the video card yet? |
| 02:28.41 | abrotman | with debsums ? |
| 02:28.49 | abrotman | daeos: lspci | grep VGA |
| 02:28.58 | johnga1t | bpun: can i ask how to do that? |
| 02:29.21 | abrotman | johnga1t: debsums is one method |
| 02:29.50 | daeos | abrotman: i don't have the computer in front of me, i'll be getting it after im out from work.... but just trying to write down notes |
| 02:29.50 | abrotman | oh |
| 02:30.35 | daeos | abrotman: believe me, if you were on around 3 hours ago..i'd have it ready to work on... my buddy left work with the laptop around 2 hours ago.. |
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| 02:31.03 | abrotman | daeos: what a slacker! |
| 02:31.05 | abrotman | hi Daveman ! |
| 02:31.15 | daeos | abrotman: definatly |
| 02:31.30 | johnga1t | bpun: well, now i've rebooted and i get a "kernel too old" error |
| 02:32.27 | nvz | abrotman: you know they turned the damn denny's in moon into a Primanti Bros.. though I still haven't been there. I liked the Denny's |
| 02:32.53 | DannyD_ | good name too |
| 02:32.53 | phil4 | Interesting |
| 02:32.56 | abrotman | nvz: are you a picky eater or food is food ? |
| 02:33.09 | abrotman | johnga1t: for udev ? |
| 02:33.13 | johnga1t | anyone know how to deal with a "fatal: kernel too old" error? :) |
| 02:33.24 | nvz | abrotman: I'm kinda picky. Mostly I like to cook for myself |
| 02:33.37 | phil4 | c developers only? |
| 02:33.45 | johnga1t | abrotman: hmm? upon reboot. |
| 02:33.48 | abrotman | nvz: primanti .. is interesting .. at least once |
| 02:33.58 | abrotman | johnga1t: is it udev whining ? what kernel is it running ? |
| 02:34.17 | nvz | abrotman: I'm just pissed I have to drive an extra 2-3 miles to Robinson for Denny's now.. |
| 02:34.26 | abrotman | nvz: life is hard .. |
| 02:34.31 | nvz | abrotman: which I am going for breakfast in the morning :P |
| 02:34.57 | jetscreamer | you could learn to cook |
| 02:35.00 | jetscreamer | Lo |
| 02:35.08 | jetscreamer | err :o |
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| 02:35.35 | jetscreamer | breakfast i mean |
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| 02:36.07 | nvz | usually when I want to go to denny's its like 3am and I'm wasted |
| 02:36.09 | johnga1t | abrotman: should i just try an apt-get for the kernel while chrooted under a boot cd? |
| 02:36.28 | amphi | !comfort sagotis |
| 02:36.29 | dpkg | There, there, sagotis. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 02:36.32 | thingfish | mmm, dennys - eggs, sausage, hash browns... |
| 02:36.33 | DannyD_ | ttyl l8r guys |
| 02:36.37 | nvz | otherwise I do cook my own breakfast.. as for tomorrow, I'm going cause cheap ass is buying |
| 02:36.43 | jetscreamer | i can cook great food... i just don't like to |
| 02:36.49 | mmlj4 | ugh, i hate denny's |
| 02:36.56 | jetscreamer | denny's is good |
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| 02:37.01 | abrotman | johnga1t: what kernel is it urnning now ? |
| 02:37.07 | abrotman | thingfish: moons over myhammy :) |
| 02:37.10 | thingfish | mmlj4: you must not drink. |
| 02:37.13 | thingfish | hehe |
| 02:37.23 | mmlj4 | thingfish: heh, that would help me like it more, at 2AM |
| 02:37.41 | daeos | abrotman: ok so once i find what card it is , i just need to change the config file of xorg/xfree86 right? and it _should_ fix it right? |
| 02:37.50 | johnga1t | abrotman: hmm ... well, i could reboot an check to see what it boots |
| 02:37.53 | nvz | I cook so-so food.. my recipies seem to be better than my cooking.. heh.. I just like to do it cause I always have to be doing something and it fills my schedule better than letting someone else do it |
| 02:38.01 | abrotman | daeos: well .. i'd try vesa a bit ... see if it persists ... |
| 02:38.08 | johnga1t | abrotman: right now i'm on the boot cd. a uname -r will give me the boot cd version only, right? |
| 02:38.12 | abrotman | johnga1t: oh ... you didn't notice when it started ? |
| 02:38.17 | abrotman | johnga1t: right |
| 02:38.23 | mmlj4 | well, i can cook pretty good... but then I'm a cajun from louisiana |
| 02:38.36 | Daveman | Hello abrotman :) |
| 02:38.56 | jetscreamer | anybody know if wow is more cpu or vid card dependent? |
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| 02:39.13 | jetscreamer | nm.... |
| 02:39.16 | abrotman | jetscreamer: ##windows ? |
| 02:39.30 | jetscreamer | why |
| 02:39.38 | abrotman | it doesn't run on linux ? |
| 02:39.39 | jetscreamer | nobody in here plays wow you say |
| 02:39.46 | jetscreamer | i dunno i thought it did |
| 02:39.50 | jetscreamer | no idea i don't play it |
| 02:39.58 | jetscreamer | kid |
| 02:40.06 | johnga1t | abrotman: how bad could an apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 02:40.10 | mmlj4 | <--- falling blocks, bouncing balls guy here |
| 02:40.12 | abrotman | jetscreamer: runs on mac too |
| 02:40.16 | abrotman | or osx i guess |
| 02:40.24 | abrotman | johnga1t: is it sarge or etch ? |
| 02:40.39 | johnga1t | abrotman: again, dunno. |
| 02:40.41 | litage | some networks i connect to use DHCP, and others don't. i thought i could use this in /etc/network/interfaces so that by default, DHCP is used, but i can also bring eth1 down and eth1:0 up to use a static address. however, when i try to bring up eth1:0, the error "SIOCSIFFLAGS: Cannot assign requested address. Failed to bring up eth1:0" occurs. what am i doing wrong?: http://rafb.net/p/Mdlhb271.html |
| 02:40.42 | johnga1t | abrotman: tis old. |
| 02:41.06 | abrotman | johnga1t: might be okay ... i'd rather know what that message is |
| 02:41.30 | johnga1t | abrotman: which msg? the "fatal,, kernel too old"? |
| 02:41.34 | abrotman | yeah |
| 02:41.35 | daeos | abrotman: seems majority of the t20s were stocked with a S3 Savage/IX - AGP 2x |
| 02:41.40 | abrotman | ew |
| 02:41.46 | abrotman | !s3 |
| 02:41.46 | dpkg | Tried, tested, and reliable cards.</sarcasm>, or <abrotman> the cards suck ..bad .. like waking up next to your mother after a hard night of drinking <pipeline> I disagree. ... It's more like coming-to ON TOP of your mother. |
| 02:42.04 | thingfish | oh god that's sick |
| 02:42.18 | abrotman | but accurate! |
| 02:42.30 | thingfish | and genuinely amusing |
| 02:42.36 | daeos | well |
| 02:42.43 | abrotman | daeos: it really depends on the actual s3 card being used |
| 02:43.02 | johnga1t | abrotman: you think i should reboot and find out more about the system |
| 02:43.04 | daeos | right... ill have to see what lspci says |
| 02:43.05 | mmlj4 | aren't the new S3 cards, well, newer? |
| 02:43.18 | abrotman | johnga1t: can you get the dpkg -l libc6 version ? |
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| 02:43.23 | mmlj4 | actually, i've not seen any of the new ones |
| 02:43.31 | abrotman | mmlj4: there are newer-ish ... |
| 02:43.47 | mmlj4 | the last one I saw was back in the 4MB days |
| 02:43.56 | johnga1t | abrotman: just upgraded, btw. it's 2.3.6.ds1-13 ... |
| 02:44.12 | abrotman | that's etch |
| 02:44.20 | abrotman | johnga1t: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 02:45.22 | johnga1t | abrotman: don't have aptitude, will apt-get. hanging on ftp.us.debian. ... changing apt list |
| 02:45.41 | abrotman | apt-get is fine |
| 02:45.45 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 02:45.45 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 02:47.31 | johnga1t | abrotman: aighty. let's see how this goes. fingers crossed. as always, thanks for your help. |
| 02:47.46 | abrotman | johnga1t: don't thank me til it actually works :) |
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| 02:48.05 | daeos | abrotman: so if it _is_ s3 ... i'd best try vesa first? i won't be connected to a network.....unless i just take it with me... yeah i'll just take it home and work on it... will you be on later tonight? |
| 02:48.22 | abrotman | daeos: it is later :) |
| 02:48.24 | daeos | abrotman: then i can tell you if it is s3 or not |
| 02:48.30 | johnga1t | abrotman: :) there are a lot of packages being "held back". is this bad? |
| 02:48.53 | daeos | abrotman: always ... specific aren't you.... i guess calling you anal would be an understatement.... but anyways... later as in 3 or 4 hours from now |
| 02:48.58 | abrotman | daeos: just try the s3 |
| 02:49.04 | abrotman | daeos: it's 11pm here |
| 02:49.23 | daeos | abrotman: i wish it was 11pm ... 15 mins and i'd be out the door |
| 02:49.28 | abrotman | daeos: i woke up around 7am .. i'll be here about 15-30 more :) |
| 02:49.44 | abrotman | johnga1t: sounds like maybe the sources point at stable .. and it's partially on etch |
| 02:49.45 | johnga1t | abrotman: interesting. udev has a conflict w/ makedev |
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| 02:49.59 | daeos | abrotman: ok great.. then i'll grab the laptop from him and come back on to discuss it further with you |
| 02:50.09 | abrotman | daeos: i'll be on for 15minutes .. |
| 02:50.12 | abrotman | maybe ... |
| 02:50.22 | abrotman | not in three hours |
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| 02:50.36 | johnga1t | abrotman: hmmm ... okay. well, should i just do an apt-get upgrade and then image-2.6? |
| 02:50.43 | daeos | abrotman: i thought you ment 15 to 30 more hours |
| 02:50.51 | daeos | abrotman: sorry you didn't specify |
| 02:50.52 | abrotman | daeos: i'm not a machine! |
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| 02:51.06 | abrotman | johnga1t: you might get away with a dist-upgrade |
| 02:51.17 | daeos | abrotman: how do i know that? you know every answer to every question.. prehaps you are an alien... |
| 02:51.45 | abrotman | daeos: what makes you think i'd tell you if i were ? |
| 02:51.57 | johnga1t | abrotman: what's this "w/o verification" business? apt has some sort of problem? |
| 02:52.06 | abrotman | it's been said that the speed of my typing can alter reality |
| 02:52.15 | abrotman | johnga1t: nope .. it's new gpg keys |
| 02:52.22 | abrotman | !info debian-archive-keyring |
| 02:52.24 | dpkg | debian-archive-keyring: (GnuPG archive keys of the Debian archive), section misc, is important. Version: 2007.02.19 (sid), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 52 kB |
| 02:52.33 | daeos | abrotman: its written into your dna to answer every question asked of you even if its sarcastic |
| 02:52.46 | abrotman | daeos: at least you get your answers :) |
| 02:52.59 | daeos | abrotman: exactly why i ask _you_ |
| 02:53.19 | abrotman | johnga1t: the sources.list points at stable doesn't it ? |
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| 02:53.58 | daeos | abrotman: we should add more entries to "!abrotman" |
| 02:54.17 | abrotman | it might overflow |
| 02:54.18 | daeos | abrotman: in fact ... debian.org should pay you for your services here on irc ;) |
| 02:54.26 | johnga1t | abrotman: cool. had some problem w/ non-us. but removed that from source.list for now. doing the dist-upgrade. |
| 02:54.37 | abrotman | yeah .. no more non-us |
| 02:54.47 | abrotman | daeos: that wouldn't be fair |
| 02:55.08 | abrotman | johnga1t: i should mention that aptitude is the preferred tool for dist-upgrade |
| 02:55.09 | johnga1t | abrotman: as you can tell, this system ain't had no lovin recently. |
| 02:55.16 | daeos | sagotis: what the pay they would pay you? or something else? |
| 02:55.26 | abrotman | johnga1t: and it'll probably need you to massage it into taking the new kernel and udev |
| 02:55.37 | daeos | abrotman: what the pay they would pay you? or something else? *** |
| 02:55.43 | daeos | sagotis: sorry wron't pointer |
| 02:55.46 | daeos | wrong* |
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| 02:55.52 | abrotman | daeos: that others here might not get paid |
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| 02:57.17 | johnga1t | abrotman: k. using aptitude. didn't find a solution in allotted time. trying harder. lots of conflicts. |
| 02:57.27 | abrotman | i'm sure there are |
| 02:57.38 | vipernicus | i did a custom kernel build, and for some reason my mounts in /etc/fstab load before my external usb drive module is loaded |
| 02:57.45 | vipernicus | is there any way to change the order of things? |
| 02:58.59 | johnga1t | abrotman: suggested course of action is to just keep "trying harder"? |
| 02:59.13 | abrotman | johnga1t: do you have any errors currently ? |
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| 02:59.23 | johnga1t | abrotman: i have conflicts. |
| 02:59.30 | abrotman | such as ? |
| 02:59.31 | johnga1t | abrotman: in trying to resolve dependencies. |
| 03:00.05 | abrotman | aptitude has much better dependency resolution |
| 03:00.35 | johnga1t | abrotman: dunno. it just says "not solution found w/in allotted time" |
| 03:00.36 | johnga1t | abrotman: but doesn't tell me what conflicts are. |
| 03:00.40 | en1gma | is there a kernel .config setting that we can set to off so we can run beta drivers (or unsigned gpl code)? |
| 03:00.59 | en1gma | http://www.debianhelp.org/node/6880 <<<is rediculous just to run a beta driver |
| 03:01.42 | abrotman | hrm |
| 03:02.00 | johnga1t | abrotman: hmmm. well, tring apt-get for now, b/c aptitude just keeps failing to resolve conflicts. apt-get seems to be going, but i'm sure it'll fail somewher |
| 03:02.05 | abrotman | okay |
| 03:02.15 | abrotman | you might have to do the apt-get dist-upgrade more than once |
| 03:02.45 | johnga1t | abrotman: sounds good. anything that works at this point? |
| 03:03.26 | abrotman | apparently :) |
| 03:03.31 | en1gma | what about my Q |
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| 03:03.53 | Smoked1__ | for a core 2 duo do I use the amd64 or the ia64? |
| 03:04.05 | en1gma | ia |
| 03:04.06 | daeos | abrotman: im under the belief that the top helpers would get paid |
| 03:04.10 | Smoked1__ | thanks |
| 03:04.11 | daeos | abrotman: but you most of all deserve it |
| 03:04.13 | en1gma | np |
| 03:04.19 | en1gma | HEY |
| 03:04.24 | en1gma | Smoked1__ hey |
| 03:04.29 | abrotman | daeos: it's not fair to other volunteers |
| 03:04.36 | en1gma | a word to the wise dont install it if you like java or flash |
| 03:04.40 | Smoked1__ | hey |
| 03:05.05 | Smoked1__ | en1gma: whats up dude? |
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| 03:05.28 | en1gma | see what i wrote |
| 03:05.45 | Smoked1__ | ahh |
| 03:05.53 | en1gma | i just went from amd64 to i386 today |
| 03:05.56 | Smoked1__ | I am using it as a server without X |
| 03:06.04 | en1gma | ok ia64 all the way |
| 03:06.09 | Smoked1__ | :) |
| 03:06.26 | abrotman | okay .. sleepy time |
| 03:06.26 | Smoked1__ | Thanks again dude. I appriciate your help. |
| 03:06.37 | johnga1t | abrotman: well, thanks again. |
| 03:06.40 | daeos | abrotman: gnight then |
| 03:06.43 | johnga1t | abrotman: have a good night. |
| 03:06.44 | daeos | abrotman: thanks for the info |
| 03:06.45 | abrotman | johnga1t: it sounds like you had/have a mixed system . hopefully the distupgrade to etch will fix it |
| 03:07.30 | en1gma | abortman what do we need to trun off in the kernel to get that damn gpl warning to stay off when we install beta drivers |
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| 03:16.43 | hackmiker | how do i find out what files a package has installed? |
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| 03:16.55 | _pepo_ | hi friends |
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| 03:18.28 | _pepo_ | I remember that sometime ago in any publication I read about the cost of Debian if Debian was an enterprise. Do you remember where? |
| 03:20.12 | deadcat_ | _pepo_: no such thing |
| 03:20.31 | deadcat_ | hackmiker: dpkg -L packagename |
| 03:20.36 | hackmiker | ok |
| 03:20.37 | hackmiker | thanks |
| 03:21.18 | _pepo_ | sorry, maybe I was dreaming :) |
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| 03:22.23 | deadcat_ | _pepo_: probably. debian and enterprise dont seem to mix.. or maybe i dont know what i am talking about |
| 03:23.22 | johnga1t | i've got a problem w/ fontconfig-config ... conflicts w/ fontconfig. any suggestions? |
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| 03:26.52 | en1gma | http://lwn.net/Articles/233315/ "Numerous changes to the paravirt_ops methods have been made. Additionally, paravirt_ops is no longer a GPL-only export." |
| 03:26.56 | Smoked1__ | I have a 29320 adaptec scsi card. Is it pointless to use on a 32bit pci slot? |
| 03:27.04 | jetscreamer | hah! |
| 03:27.09 | jetscreamer | paravirt ftw! |
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| 03:27.42 | en1gma | :) |
| 03:27.45 | en1gma | look at this |
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| 03:28.13 | en1gma | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=419943 "Now that this change has been reverted, could we *please* see the same change made in the Debian kernel!" |
| 03:28.55 | en1gma | debian kernel makers fix 2.6.21-xx please |
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| 03:38.14 | Soroosh | I'm trying to make alsa work on my IBM thinkpad 560x. Can anybody help me? |
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| 03:39.01 | jhambo | !ask |
| 03:39.01 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 03:39.41 | Soroosh | When I run alsaconf, it goes through, find the right drivers, tries to modprobe it, and then it fails with the error "driver not found" |
| 03:40.12 | Soroosh | Sorry, with the error "device not found" |
| 03:40.36 | Soroosh | I get the same problem if I just run the command "modprobe snd_cs4236" |
| 03:43.56 | GhostlyDeath | there a GCC channel? |
| 03:44.02 | jhambo | Soroosh: are you sure your audio hardware is supported? sorry I can't be more help... |
| 03:44.23 | Soroosh | I've searched the web, and it seems it is. |
| 03:44.44 | Soroosh | I believe the sound chipset is in fact crystal CS-4236. |
| 03:45.18 | Soroosh | running lspnp shows that the chipset is crystal, although it doesn't give a number. |
| 03:45.26 | Soroosh | But who knows, maybe it isn't. |
| 03:45.46 | efaistos | do you know some tool to backup a windows workstation to migrate it to Debian ? something doing a backup of emails, wallpapers, bookmarks, etc ... |
| 03:49.04 | centrx | what do you mean |
| 03:49.08 | centrx | just copy what you want |
| 03:49.45 | mrsn0 | efaistos ubuntu feisty has the beginnings of a migrate assistant, but it just creates a folder + copies the user docs/wallpapers/etc to the home dir |
| 03:49.49 | mrsn0 | email importing isn't done yet |
| 03:52.03 | efaistos | centrx: yes but when you have to do it for 20 workstation it will be fine if a tool can do the job for you ... |
| 03:52.12 | efaistos | mrsn0: thanks for the info |
| 03:52.32 | mrsn0 | your welcome efaistos , more info on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MigrationAssistance |
| 03:53.21 | en1gma | hey all....awhile back someone gave me one long command that let me build my own kernels....it started menuconfig and when i selected my options and saved it still continued on and built my kernel and put it in the right spot |
| 03:53.25 | en1gma | could someone tell me what it is |
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| 03:56.55 | efaistos | mrsn0: I saw some versora product for $29 which migrates emails, and some others stuffs ... |
| 03:57.17 | mrsn0 | efaistos im sure there is some easy way to do it |
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| 03:58.24 | mrsn0 | efaistos check http://wiki.debian.org/From_Windows_To_Debian |
| 03:58.41 | mrsn0 | see also: has a few things of mention |
| 03:59.06 | jetscreamer | goodbye-windows.com |
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| 04:00.05 | efaistos | lol |
| 04:00.18 | efaistos | mrsn0: thanks for the link forgot to check the wiki |
| 04:00.19 | mrsn0 | jetscreamer while that does let you install debian without burning a cd , it doesn't migrate settings |
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| 04:01.57 | mrsn0 | efaistos if its 20 pcs switching to debian how are they to be managed? |
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| 04:02.24 | efaistos | mrsn0: what do you mean exactly ? |
| 04:02.42 | mrsn0 | well elaborate on your network setup, are you pushing home folders over the network / settings ? |
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| 04:03.25 | efaistos | dunno yet ... |
| 04:03.56 | mrsn0 | if these 20 windows pcs are already on a network/domain maybe their emails, settings aren't even stored on the pc? |
| 04:05.21 | efaistos | i think they are ... |
| 04:05.30 | efaistos | some outlooks ... |
| 04:05.52 | en1gma | what is the command that tells you how to make a kernel the debian way |
| 04:05.58 | efaistos | with the ... hmmm dont remember the name of the file ... |
| 04:06.15 | efaistos | where all emails are stored |
| 04:06.30 | mmnicolas | en1gma: usually, if you build your own kernel, you usually know where the doc is |
| 04:06.46 | Amarande | mmnicolas, I think he's looking for the procedure to build a proper kernel .deb |
| 04:06.47 | mmnicolas | why do you want to do that anyway |
| 04:07.03 | en1gma | im talking for dpkg in this channel |
| 04:07.14 | en1gma | there is a command to give the bot here |
| 04:07.15 | mrsn0 | nn |
| 04:07.17 | mmnicolas | Amarande: hrm.. maybe, maybe not |
| 04:07.49 | mmnicolas | !dpkg build kernel i guess |
| 04:07.49 | phil4 | Check the /usr/share/doc directory |
| 04:07.54 | mmnicolas | no |
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| 04:08.53 | GuHHH | what modules i need for perl, mysql and pgsql support for apache? |
| 04:08.54 | mrsn0 | !dpkg kernel package |
| 04:09.00 | mrsn0 | !dpkg kernel-package |
| 04:09.12 | cafuego | GuHHH: apt-cache seach libapache-mod |
| 04:09.19 | en1gma | !dpkg kernel-package |
| 04:09.23 | GuHHH | theres a lot :) |
| 04:09.45 | cafuego | GuHHH: Yup. well, you'lld want mod-perl, then the perl mysql and perl psql libs. |
| 04:09.55 | mmnicolas | sudo apt-get install kernel-package and then read everything in here: /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/ |
| 04:09.59 | mrsn0 | !dpkg make-kpkg |
| 04:10.03 | mrsn0 | dunno :) nn |
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| 04:11.44 | GuHHH | cafuego: only mod-perl for them all? |
| 04:12.14 | kpearce | I've got a half installed libc6 version (on unstable) that won't finish installing because I'm still running kernel 2.4. I'm trying ot upgrade to kernel 2.6, but apt-get won't install it due to the half-installed libc6. What's the best way to fix this? |
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| 04:14.04 | jnguy | Can anyone recommend a nVidia graphics card that is capable of dual screen output and plays friendly with linux, or a core 2 duo motherboard that plays nice with linux? |
| 04:14.26 | zinx | jnguy: Any of them, any of them. |
| 04:14.29 | jnguy | Currently I'm looking at the Asus P5N-E |
| 04:14.43 | jnguy | Good enough. |
| 04:14.45 | Amarande | kpearce, use dpkg --force-depends to install the debs |
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| 04:15.25 | zinx | as long as nice doesn't include "open source drivers only" on the video card end (you're not gonna find a decent open source nVidia video driver yet.) |
| 04:15.25 | Amarande | (warning, this may damage your installation if you aren't careful) |
| 04:15.25 | jnguy | I'm guessing just about all of the onboard raid for motherboards don't play nice with linux? |
| 04:15.34 | en1gma | i have never tried to patch a kernel (well i did but it was a real long long time ago...at least 4 years) anyhow i see there is a "prepatch: 2.6.22-rc3" and should i patch my current kernel or should i just dload a new one and build it fresh |
| 04:15.35 | zinx | but the binary driver works great. |
| 04:15.38 | en1gma | which is easier to do |
| 04:15.56 | GuHHH | hey. is there any way to install xserver-xgl on debian? |
| 04:15.58 | zinx | jnguy: i'd imagine most of the onboard raid works fine |
| 04:16.05 | gravity | GuHHH: Build it yourself |
| 04:16.05 | en1gma | prepatch: 2.6.22-rc3 = no paravirt |
| 04:16.12 | en1gma | im pretty sure |
| 04:16.15 | jnguy | yeah, the nVidia binary drivers work really nice... and although I wish there was a better open source one, not enough to sacrifice good video card. |
| 04:16.19 | gravity | GuHHH: You may be able to pull the package from ubuntu, I don't know |
| 04:16.30 | jnguy | zinx: Really? I thought most onboard raid was software raid that needed windows drivers? |
| 04:16.31 | kpearce | Amarande, to install the kernel and its deps, or to install the libc6 package? I don't think the latter will work, since the error happens in the install script itself, rather than in the dps. Is the former option safe? |
| 04:16.32 | en1gma | !dpkg patch |
| 04:16.50 | cafuego | GuHHH: Yup. perl gets mysql or pgsql support, apache does not. |
| 04:17.03 | zinx | jnguy: if it is, it's not really onboard :/ |
| 04:17.12 | zinx | jnguy: Linux has its own software raid |
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| 04:17.26 | Amarande | Kernel should probably be ok, kpearce |
| 04:17.26 | en1gma | can someone tell me how to patch my kernel or site that tells me how |
| 04:17.39 | kpearce | Amarande, I'll give it a try. Thanks. |
| 04:17.41 | zinx | jnguy: which in some cases actually outperforms hardware raid :/ |
| 04:17.49 | jnguy | hm. One of my friends got a gigbyte mobo, but the raid couldn't play nice with windows and linux. |
| 04:17.51 | mmnicolas | en1gma: doc is included with the package |
| 04:18.01 | en1gma | it comes with the prepatch? |
| 04:18.05 | cafuego | certainly outperforms on-mobo raid |
| 04:18.12 | mmnicolas | en1gma: it comes with any kernel sources |
| 04:18.17 | cafuego | jnguy: i have agigabyte mobo with supposd software sata raid |
| 04:18.18 | en1gma | nice ok |
| 04:18.20 | en1gma | thanks |
| 04:18.28 | grendal_prime | join #html |
| 04:18.31 | cafuego | jnguy: I just use in-kernel software raid5. Works fine, is fast. |
| 04:18.32 | jnguy | cafuego: is it the jmicron whatever? |
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| 04:18.43 | cafuego | jnguy: Nah, oldie. nforce3 board |
| 04:18.49 | jnguy | ah. |
| 04:18.53 | zinx | jnguy: if the motherboard's raid needs special support, just disable it and use Linux's raid stuff |
| 04:18.54 | GuHHH | cafuego: libapache-mod-acct-mysql is that what i need? its the only lib i found |
| 04:19.03 | jnguy | the problem with linux raid is then it won't play nice with windows :( |
| 04:19.18 | cafuego | GuHHH: only if you want to do traffic accounting into mysql database. |
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| 04:19.42 | cafuego | jnguy: Why wouldn't it? They're just partitions, Windows has no business accessing it. |
| 04:19.57 | Azar | hello honorables |
| 04:20.15 | en1gma | i just untarred the prepatch and there is no documentation |
| 04:20.22 | en1gma | just 1 file |
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| 04:20.27 | cafuego | GuHHH: For mysql support, you'd need 'libdbd-mysql-perl', which adds mysql support to (mod-)perl. |
| 04:20.32 | jnguy | hmmm... |
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| 04:20.42 | jnguy | cafuego: Good point... don't know what I was thinking. |
| 04:20.50 | grendal_prime | grrrr has anyone built an image map reciently? |
| 04:20.51 | cafuego | en1gma: cd linux-2.6.21; patch -p1 < ../patch-to-patch-fil |
| 04:20.54 | jnguy | Can you have a linux LVM and still install windows on the same physical drive? |
| 04:21.01 | cafuego | jnguy: Yup |
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| 04:21.05 | grendal_prime | in html..nobody in html is resoponding .. |
| 04:21.15 | cafuego | jnguy: Again, LVM is based on partitions marked as 'lvm'. |
| 04:21.17 | jnguy | awesome. |
| 04:21.27 | cafuego | jnguy: Much like raid ones are marked as 'raid'. |
| 04:21.29 | jnguy | oh, it just wouldn't be a part of the lvm? |
| 04:21.32 | Azar | this is too much fun: a guy launches a challenge to all linux users in the world , to come up with some equal or better than ms servers. the fun part comes when he conditions: "1) Do not expect me to compile Gentoo or Debian. I want to get this all done within a few weeks, OK?" :) |
| 04:21.38 | cafuego | jnguy: Windows? no. |
| 04:21.49 | gravity | nice |
| 04:21.49 | jazbo2185 | If I run `rdiff-backup remoteserver:foo/ local/folder` how long should I have to wait before data starts to transfer? 'cause i've been waiting 10 minutes now and so far nothing has transfered... |
| 04:22.04 | jnguy | 'compile' debian? |
| 04:22.06 | jnguy | huh? |
| 04:22.16 | jnguy | Azar: Link? |
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| 04:27.54 | Azar | jnguy: the guy is a suse/ubuntu guy has no idea about Debian. |
| 04:28.06 | Azar | http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,1000000567,10005383o-2000440676b,00.htm |
| 04:28.06 | cafuego | Azar: Did you mean "the guy is a moron" ? |
| 04:28.09 | jnguy | ubuntu? but doesn't know about debian? |
| 04:28.13 | Azar | :) no just a linux user wannabe |
| 04:28.16 | nvz | Azar: why everytime I see your name on my screen, we are talking about stupidity? |
| 04:28.16 | Azar | jnguy: people jump on ubuntu not having idea about Debian or only knowing that Debian is "really hard to administer and run" |
| 04:28.17 | Azar | nvz: I gues you nailed it |
| 04:28.17 | nvz | Azar: are you trying to make your name synonymous with stupid or what :P |
| 04:28.17 | Azar | nvz: want a better picture about me? ask abrotman |
| 04:28.20 | Azar | hehehehe |
| 04:28.22 | nvz | heh |
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| 04:28.23 | Azar | nvz: try to read that article, meet sweet innocence |
| 04:28.23 | GuHHH | Azar: but thats just truth |
| 04:28.23 | GuHHH | Azar: debian make the simple harder, lol |
| 04:28.24 | Azar | truth is not allways the way to go |
| 04:28.24 | jnguy | Azar: That guy is an idiot. |
| 04:28.24 | Azar | jnguy: yes and what is sad: he does not know it |
| 04:28.24 | jnguy | The reason for eliminating Gentoo and Debian is that I want a system that can be built QUICKLY in 2 to 3 weeks. I have no doubt that Gentoo or Debian distros can eventually be used. And yes I forgot about Slackware. |
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| 04:28.24 | jnguy | wtf? |
| 04:28.24 | jazbo2185 | _and_ even though nothing is transfering, it slows the network connection on the local machine down to a crawl. WTF |
| 04:28.25 | Azar | yeah good chuckles |
| 04:28.26 | jnguy | does 'building' linux take 2 to 3 weeks? |
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| 04:28.27 | Azar | jnguy: I guess he is convinced he can do it even faster |
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| 04:28.27 | Azar | like... building a webpage |
| 04:28.27 | squidly | hello is there a way I can see what files are installed by a package? |
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| 04:28.28 | nvz | I've reached a point of not giving a shit. I am a casual user for reasons I don't care to debate.. I dont give two shits what people's opinions are |
| 04:28.28 | Amarande | I don't know how Debian got a rep for being hard to use. |
| 04:28.28 | nvz | I come here to support what I believe in.. thats it |
| 04:28.31 | Azar | nvz: ok what do you believe in? |
| 04:28.31 | nvz | squidly: dpkg -L package |
| 04:28.32 | nvz | Azar: I believe in debian. it suits me |
| 04:28.32 | squidly | nvz: thanks |
| 04:28.32 | jnguy | Lets get focused here. The intent is to assemble a group of applications for media record and playback from a server that will NOT be used for the actual playback of the streaming media. |
| 04:28.32 | jnguy | can't speak english either. |
| 04:28.33 | Azar | nvz: I might be stupid but I am glad I believe in what you believe |
| 04:28.33 | Azar | :) |
| 04:29.11 | nvz | I could go on and on trash talking microsoft or whatever but its pointless |
| 04:29.11 | Azar | huh? |
| 04:29.40 | Azar | nvz: indeed why talk about a product you don't use? |
| 04:30.29 | jnguy | Azar: I posted an answer solution. |
| 04:30.40 | Azar | jnguy: you know, I keep reading and I realize this guy has a huge imagination |
| 04:30.52 | nvz | Its like this book I read "Free For All" by Peter Wayner.. I enjoyed it, and I thought he did a good job of describing differences in the FOSS vs CSCS markets, but its really just a hyped up pile of crap to give people who don;t know better what they want to hear |
| 04:31.14 | jnguy | Azar: one more time. I actually gave him a real solution this time. |
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| 04:31.57 | jnguy | I <3 bugmenot. |
| 04:33.19 | Azar | jnguy: hahaha: This comment has been deleted at the users request << wow censorship |
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| 04:33.45 | jnguy | hm? |
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| 04:33.47 | jnguy | its still there? |
| 04:34.26 | Azar | not sure if yours... some "users" replies: You do raise a valid point. << wow |
| 04:34.49 | jnguy | lol |
| 04:34.49 | simonrvn | could someone confirm/deny this about iNsane? |
| 04:34.53 | jnguy | here is another good sign: |
| 04:34.59 | jnguy | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:35.03 | cafuego | iNsane: hi |
| 04:35.08 | jnguy | I love when people identify their machines as CPUs |
| 04:35.12 | eltopo | Hello |
| 04:35.12 | NineTails | hello |
| 04:35.13 | Azar | jnguy: hahaha man, you hurt the guy's feelings |
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| 04:35.31 | jnguy | its true! |
| 04:35.32 | simonrvn | w/hois iNsane: ircname : Windows |
| 04:35.41 | simonrvn | ... |
| 04:35.41 | jnguy | such a typical windows fanboy. |
| 04:35.59 | cafuego | well |
| 04:36.16 | Azar | 21:41 -!- #redhat iNsane H 0 n=Ko_Rs_aN@88.241.18.249 [Windows] |
| 04:36.20 | simonrvn | the username and/or nick usually give them away |
| 04:36.28 | jnguy | "Linux is good... but I'm an idiot and I can't use it. Instead of realizing that I'm an idiot, O |
| 04:36.33 | jnguy | I'm going to blame it on linux" |
| 04:36.49 | jnguy | "weeeeee shiny" |
| 04:36.55 | cafuego | "Linux is not windows. I want windows. Linux sucks." |
| 04:37.10 | simonrvn | probably "can't use it" because they were told - and believe - "it's just like windows". it isn't |
| 04:37.16 | Azar | jnguy: you know, there are lots of people out there who would like / or actuall jump on linux because lots of free apps... but they want a windowlikelookandfeel |
| 04:37.25 | cafuego | sysctl -w dev.retard=1 |
| 04:37.30 | nvz | haha |
| 04:37.34 | Azar | haha |
| 04:37.41 | simonrvn | Azar: windows ui is crap. they want that because that's all the know |
| 04:37.41 | jnguy | Azar: Yeah. |
| 04:37.56 | simonrvn | hehehe cafuego |
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| 04:38.03 | jnguy | I mean... utlimately... if you even think about paying for software on Windows... you probably don't have the skills to use linux |
| 04:38.04 | jnguy | =) |
| 04:38.09 | cafuego | They don't tend to evenw ant the windows UI. They want the "computer ui with the buttons" |
| 04:38.27 | nvz | I tell people if I am going to remove windows and install debian, that the first thing they have to do is forget everything they know. the programs they use.. etc |
| 04:38.55 | jnguy | yes. Utlimately, linux is not a desktop replacement for windows. Not yet anyways. |
| 04:38.57 | simonrvn | nvz: i'm not surprised you say that. your head is screwed on straight |
| 04:39.08 | jnguy | Linux users sometimes have a hard time grasping that as well. |
| 04:39.17 | simonrvn | !lart "desktop replacement" |
| 04:39.36 | nvz | you dont need QuickTime, RealPlayer, Windows Media Player, DivX Player..etc you just have one movie player of choice that supports all formats |
| 04:39.41 | cafuego | We need user replacement. |
| 04:40.13 | jnguy | There are definitely things that windows does better.. which is why I keep a machine/copy around. |
| 04:40.28 | Azar | yep that what I did for the first 3 years of Debian woody: console only. I banished myself to stay on command line and practice until I felt worthy of having X running :) |
| 04:41.16 | jnguy | lol |
| 04:41.17 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:41.18 | nvz | simonrvn: Hmm I don't use screws, I got a safty pin holding it on :P |
| 04:41.19 | simonrvn | / \ |
| 04:41.20 | jnguy | up until a couple of months ago, I was still doing startx. I wasn't used to xdm/gdm/kdm |
| 04:41.22 | simonrvn | nvz: hehe |
| 04:41.32 | simonrvn | i still do 'startx'. |
| 04:41.39 | Azar | jnguy: no .dm-s for me |
| 04:41.40 | jnguy | There are a couple of things linux has done in the past few years that I'm not caught up with. |
| 04:42.42 | jnguy | lvm/grub/Terminal |
| 04:42.45 | jnguy | I just started using Terminal. |
| 04:42.57 | jnguy | I was all about xterm until not too long ago. |
| 04:43.01 | Azar | jnguy: I possibly can't imagine in which way a .dm would make me more happy than simple X screen |
| 04:43.02 | GhostlyDeath | there a GNU GCC channel? |
| 04:43.02 | jnguy | Azar: I used to think that... but I like the pretty login screen :) |
| 04:43.05 | Azar | ewwww nooo no please! no login screen for me |
| 04:43.26 | Azar | that's what I hate the most |
| 04:44.01 | jnguy | easy session chooser if you switch window manager |
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| 04:44.04 | Azar | I want to see all stuff loading and possible error messages when I bootup |
| 04:44.04 | Amarande | hmm, I run Linux as a desktop OS, and it seems to be at least as good as Windows |
| 04:44.05 | jnguy | not splashscreen |
| 04:44.05 | jnguy | login screen. |
| 04:44.05 | Amarande | other than that I'm having trouble getting a few games to work |
| 04:44.06 | jnguy | it runs after boot up. |
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| 04:44.08 | jnguy | unless you're talking about X errors. |
| 04:44.09 | Amarande | and spontaneous browser crashes are ever so slightly more common on Linux |
| 04:44.09 | jnguy | X.log |
| 04:44.12 | Amarande | well, maybe not really |
| 04:44.24 | simonrvn | that's why i >> to .xsession-errors now when i use it, i don't get enough data in that file, and it keeps the console screen clean |
| 04:44.46 | Azar | no, about hardware and drivers loading |
| 04:44.59 | Amarande | it's just on Linux when it crashes the browser just disappears, while Windows crashes you get that warning about how it needs to close |
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| 04:45.22 | simonrvn | and need to reboot... |
| 04:45.23 | jnguy | I still use lilo... |
| 04:45.23 | Azar | me too :) |
| 04:45.37 | cafuego | how quaint |
| 04:45.40 | jnguy | I understand lilo better.. grub is too magical... although I hear its better. |
| 04:45.40 | simonrvn | i'll reboot whenever i fucking want tyvm ;) |
| 04:45.57 | Azar | haha |
| 04:45.57 | Azar | I reboot once/month |
| 04:45.57 | jnguy | or like Thundar... |
| 04:45.57 | Amarande | LIL- |
| 04:45.57 | Azar | as of now I have 58 days running |
| 04:45.57 | Amarande | nah, I prefer grub ;) |
| 04:45.57 | jnguy | Thundar is nice... but not used to using a file explorer |
| 04:45.57 | Amarande | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:45.57 | simonrvn | s,d,, |
| 04:45.59 | Azar | jnguy: hey ever tried ytree? |
| 04:45.59 | jnguy | nope. |
| 04:45.59 | jnguy | file browser? |
| 04:45.59 | Azar | looks like the old dos xtree |
| 04:45.59 | jnguy | lol |
| 04:45.59 | efaistos | is there a way to reproduce a command like with the "." command but for a range of line like when you want to copy some lines like this 36,56y |
| 04:45.59 | en1gma | i just did a 'make oldconfig' now the readme says to do 'make'. 'make install' and 'make modules_install' now this is what i used to do in slackware....i know debian has some kind of automated installer |
| 04:46.00 | jnguy | wasn't around for that. |
| 04:46.00 | efaistos | with vim |
| 04:46.00 | Azar | is like mc |
| 04:46.03 | jnguy | by the time I got my first computer... it was windows 98/2000 |
| 04:46.07 | Azar | only simpler |
| 04:46.09 | jnguy | en1gma: you mean make dep :) |
| 04:46.22 | simonrvn | what's not simple about mc? o_O |
| 04:46.31 | en1gma | jnguy is that all i do and it does the rest or do i need to do something with grub too |
| 04:46.34 | jnguy | I never figured out how to install kernels the debian way. |
| 04:46.36 | Azar | jnguy: you lost a lot... I had dos, msdos, and all win series |
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| 04:47.03 | jnguy | en1gma: oh wait... Are you asking a question? |
| 04:47.06 | Azar | mc is more.... ehhh has more goodies, ytree is trivially simple |
| 04:47.12 | jnguy | I thought we were talking about all of our old practices. |
| 04:47.14 | jnguy | haha. |
| 04:47.34 | en1gma | yea what do i need to do in debian....the readme that came with the kernel i got from kernel.org is more for slackware then it is for debian |
| 04:47.43 | jnguy | oh |
| 04:47.48 | jnguy | for debian in 2.6 you just do make |
| 04:47.50 | jnguy | make install |
| 04:47.51 | jnguy | I believe |
| 04:47.56 | jnguy | if you're running lilo, I can tell you more. |
| 04:47.59 | simonrvn | i've been on linux kernel and using debian for over 5 years. these are my old practices :P |
| 04:48.00 | jnguy | idk how to use grub. |
| 04:48.06 | en1gma | oh no |
| 04:48.10 | en1gma | im usinggrub |
| 04:48.12 | Dunedan | !dpkg tell Dunedan about make-kpkg |
| 04:48.13 | zinx | you're supposed to use the precompiled kernel, or use make-kpkg |
| 04:58.28 | Dunedan | hm |
| 04:58.29 | Dunedan | dpkg tell Dunedan about make-kpkg |
| 04:58.29 | Dunedan | arg |
| 04:58.29 | en1gma | lol |
| 04:58.30 | jnguy | =P |
| 04:58.30 | en1gma | to me |
| 04:58.30 | Azar | jnguy: mannnn! is the simplest way to install a kernel: aptitude install linux-image-2.6.18-blablabla... you find it with apt-cache search linux-image, then use aptitude to install it |
| 04:58.30 | Dunedan | dpkg tell en1gma about make-kpkg |
| 04:58.30 | simonrvn | !tell Dunedan -about msg the bot |
| 04:58.31 | en1gma | ty |
| 04:58.31 | Dunedan | thx simonrvn ;-) |
| 04:58.31 | Azar | that's why you still hang with lilo :) |
| 04:58.31 | zinx | usually there's no problem with using a precompiled kernel |
| 04:58.31 | jnguy | Azar: yeah... learned the hardway.. |
| 04:58.32 | jnguy | Azar: Does it install grub, lilo, or both? |
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| 04:58.33 | zinx | but some people think it makes them look cooler compiling their own :D |
| 04:58.33 | Azar | jnguy: what the kernel? |
| 04:58.35 | jnguy | zinx: I don't appreciate the extra work. |
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| 04:58.35 | jnguy | Azar: In general? 2.6.xx? |
| 04:58.36 | zinx | jnguy: you should be fine with the precompiled kernel. |
| 04:58.36 | Azar | no... lilo or grub come with the Debian install |
| 04:58.36 | zinx | jnguy: Debian installs grub by default these days |
| 04:58.37 | simonrvn | zinx: usually not, but i want certain modules as built-in, and vice-versa, and i hate using initrds when i don't have to |
| 04:58.37 | jnguy | zinx: I know. I reinstalled lilo :) |
| 04:58.37 | zinx | jnguy: it's not part of the kernel stuff |
| 04:58.37 | jnguy | yeah, but the kernel has to tell the bootloader, right? |
| 04:58.38 | jnguy | eg move stuff to /boot and run lilo? |
| 04:58.38 | jnguy | edit menu.1st or something. |
| 04:58.38 | Azar | jnguy: the bootloader comes with the debian installation... the kernels don't carry it |
| 04:58.38 | simonrvn | lst |
| 04:58.38 | zinx | jnguy: kernel-package will call update-grub to regenerate menu.lst if you have grub installed, or re-run lilo if you have lilo installed |
| 04:58.39 | zinx | jnguy: it's all automated |
| 04:58.39 | jnguy | zinx: Thats what I mean. Thanks... I'll know for my next kernel upgrade. |
| 04:58.39 | jnguy | Is it possible to patch a precompiled kernel? |
| 04:58.39 | zinx | jnguy: all you do is install the precompiled package, or use make-kpkg if you insist on using your own |
| 04:58.40 | Azar | whats nice with lilo you can keep kernel versions in it and switch if you want |
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| 04:58.40 | zinx | jnguy: not really |
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| 04:58.41 | jnguy | Azar: I think you can do that with grub as well. |
| 04:58.41 | zinx | jnguy: but you can grab the source that was used to compile it |
| 04:58.41 | jeffwheeler | Why does ext3 never need defragging? |
| 04:58.41 | jnguy | jeffwheeler: It keeps a journal? |
| 04:58.41 | Azar | jeffwheeler: never defragged with linux :) |
| 04:58.41 | zinx | jeffwheeler: Linux places files in such a manner that they are the least fragmented - and that's part of what the reserved space is for |
| 04:58.42 | jeffwheeler | Neither have I; just curious _why_? |
| 04:58.42 | jnguy | I guess thats more of why it doesn't need fsck every boot. |
| 04:58.42 | jeffwheeler | zinx: mmm, makes sense |
| 04:58.42 | simonrvn | boot: minimal OS with direct access to h/w (BIOS, EFI, OF, openboot, etc.) > tells bootloader to start kernel > kernel starts init |
| 04:58.43 | zinx | (it's also to avoid root not being able to write files - also very important) |
| 04:58.43 | jeffwheeler | Does HFS do something similar to that, or does it constantly try to defrag files over time? |
| 04:58.43 | zinx | jeffwheeler: no idea |
| 04:58.44 | jeffwheeler | mmmk |
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| 04:58.44 | simonrvn | hfs usually needs defragging |
| 04:58.44 | jnguy | zinx: If you get the source of the kernel... you basically go back to manual installing, right? |
| 04:58.48 | zinx | jnguy: no, it's a little more involved though |
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| 04:58.49 | jeffwheeler | simonrvn: really? I've never heard of a defrag app for Mac, and I recall reading something about that it's not necesary |
| 04:58.50 | zinx | jnguy: instead of just 'install', you build (using make-kpkg) then install the .debs it makes :P |
| 04:58.50 | jnguy | I'll have to look into that at some point. |
| 04:58.50 | zinx | jnguy: it should still take care of grub/lilo/etc |
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| 04:58.54 | Azar | jnguy: if you install a precompiled kernel using the package manager, easy way, I doubt you will need to patch something |
| 04:58.55 | jnguy | very interesting. |
| 04:58.55 | simonrvn | jeffwheeler: in the pre-os 10 days you did... dunno about 10.x |
| 04:58.55 | jnguy | Its always nice to learn you've been doing something the stupid way for the past 5 years :) |
| 04:58.55 | jeffwheeler | simonrvn: okay |
| 04:58.56 | zinx | jnguy: but it's probably best to just use the precompiled kernel |
| 04:58.56 | jnguy | Azar: I use suspend2 on my lappy. I don't think its in the kernel. |
| 04:58.56 | Azar | jnguy: or at least try it to see how easy it installs |
| 04:58.57 | gpm | i'd rather have a dd configuring my kernel than myself...even if he doesn't know my hardware |
| 04:58.57 | en1gma | weeee i compiling |
| 04:58.57 | en1gma | i hope i did the correct paravirt |
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| 04:58.57 | en1gma | there are 2 of em |
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| 04:58.59 | jnguy | I remember when linux hardware detection was just awful. |
| 04:58.59 | simonrvn | i use a precompiled if i'm not familiar with the machine and/or particular h/w |
| 04:58.59 | simonrvn | they're a team IIRC |
| 04:59.00 | gpm | it's the debian kernel team |
| 04:59.00 | jetscreamer | s/evidence/apparent\ evidence/ |
| 04:59.00 | gpm | but doesn't each member of the team work on a specific kernel? just guessing |
| 04:59.00 | jnguy | oh! also... debian rescue mode isn't in the install cds anymore? |
| 04:59.00 | Azar | jnguy: as a linux newbie I started straight with Debian Woody and it felt terrible mostly coming here and getting rotten eggs from folks... I hate it , but I never wanted to go back to windows |
| 04:59.01 | simonrvn | jnguy: er, yeh? |
| 04:59.01 | Azar | jnguy: why not? is on the 1st CD |
| 04:59.01 | jnguy | hm. |
| 04:59.01 | Azar | ah |
| 04:59.01 | simonrvn | alt-F2 |
| 04:59.01 | jnguy | nevermind... it was a while ago... and I thought it wasn't there anymore. |
| 04:59.02 | jnguy | I tried a rescue root = /etc |
| 04:59.02 | Azar | the Etch CD does not have lilo.... right simonrvn ? |
| 04:59.02 | Azar | so if Etch does not have lilo... no lilo rescue...err? huh? |
| 04:59.02 | jetscreamer | a woman who would let her husband get his pole smoked by another woman and not seem to do anything about it is not the woman i want running the military |
| 04:59.03 | jetscreamer | oops wrong cahnnel? |
| 04:59.03 | gpm | Azar: you could chroot and re-run lilo that way...but i'm just guessing at what you're trying to do |
| 04:59.06 | Azar | jetscreamer: kinky |
| 04:59.07 | simonrvn | jetscreamer: hehehe |
| 04:59.07 | en1gma | my ex-wife used to let her newer husband get his pole smoked |
| 04:59.07 | gpm | oi |
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| 04:59.09 | gpm | haha |
| 04:59.09 | en1gma | and thank god shes not running the country either |
| 04:59.09 | gpm | and a clinton just left |
| 04:59.09 | Azar | gpm: I am ok but I was thinking about li lil stuff |
| 04:59.11 | zinx | use grub |
| 04:59.11 | jetscreamer | those lilo codes are googleable |
| 04:59.11 | gpm | Azar: well you could chroot...now if your root fs is fscked...well, that's another story |
| 04:59.14 | gpm | jetscreamer: nice word |
| 04:59.15 | zinx | grub doesn't have most of the lilo deficiencies |
| 04:59.30 | Azar | and lilo does not have the grub's ones |
| 04:59.32 | jetscreamer | but grub sometimes wants to see /boot/grub |
| 04:59.45 | jetscreamer | what you both said |
| 04:59.45 | zinx | Azar: yes it does |
| 04:59.49 | jnguy | Azar: I started with a week of Mandrake... Then a few months- maybe a year of potato... then woody. |
| 04:59.57 | Azar | how many people I have seen around complaining that grub didn't erect...err perform? |
| 04:59.58 | zinx | Azar: grub has very few :) |
| 05:00.02 | jetscreamer | nah lilo works just fine for me |
| 05:00.07 | jnguy | I remember you had to type bf24 if you wanted to install the 'newer' 2.4 kernel. |
| 05:00.08 | jetscreamer | grub too |
| 05:00.19 | jetscreamer | expert expert24 |
| 05:00.24 | gpm | i use whatever d-i gives me |
| 05:00.25 | zinx | Azar: how many people have i seen around that are complete idiots? :/ |
| 05:00.26 | jetscreamer | 2.6 default |
| 05:00.34 | Azar | yes.... my first woody install went with 2.2 hehe |
| 05:00.50 | Amarande | heh |
| 05:01.01 | Amarande | I started Linux when 2.0.27 or so was current |
| 05:01.06 | jnguy | I remember my first install was with a minimal cd... my buddy downloaded it for me. |
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| 05:01.12 | simonrvn | @test |
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| 05:01.14 | ravenbird | Yes, simonrvn, you're still online. |
| 05:01.19 | jnguy | no broadband at the time |
| 05:01.23 | jnguy | and no modem support... |
| 05:01.24 | Azar | but something interestingly good about woody: at my first new sata PC, it installed! and even ran... until I wanted to upgrade the kernel.. |
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| 05:01.31 | jnguy | I couildn't figure out why nothing was installed. |
| 05:01.37 | jnguy | gcc, libc. etc. nothing. |
| 05:01.46 | gpm | no /etc! |
| 05:01.55 | jetscreamer | dos would see it to i believe |
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| 05:01.58 | jetscreamer | too |
| 05:02.15 | jnguy | I've only been using linux for 5-6 years. |
| 05:02.31 | gpm | aw |
| 05:02.37 | gpm | sid's fault? |
| 05:02.48 | simonrvn | i went ahead and let it install, my fault ;) |
| 05:02.54 | simonrvn | yeh, that mean kid |
| 05:03.02 | gpm | that damn kid...why can't he just leave the toys alone |
| 05:03.10 | jnguy | but man.... I'm glad I found programming on linux.... way better environment than windows... |
| 05:03.20 | jnguy | although I've worked at companies that require windows dev env. |
| 05:03.25 | Azar | zinx: you know what I don't like about grub? the myth or fact if you want that "it takes care by default" of kernel upgrades and stuff: I don't like the idea to have a bootloader that "just does it" like the commercial "set it and forget it" |
| 05:03.28 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 05:03.43 | bytekode | can grub boot off of xfs yet? |
| 05:03.44 | zinx | Azar: it doesn't "just do it" |
| 05:03.52 | gpm | i re-watched ts2 recently...sid really is scary within the context of the movie |
| 05:03.59 | zinx | Azar: Debian "just does it", with its debian-specific update-grub script |
| 05:04.00 | Azar | zinx: so it is said |
| 05:04.16 | Azar | ah.. my bad then |
| 05:04.22 | jnguy | I think at Google you can choose between OS X, Linux, Windows. |
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| 05:04.29 | zinx | Azar: and besides, i think that's a really silly reason to not like something :/ |
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| 05:04.34 | zinx | "OMG ITS TOO EASY TO USE" |
| 05:04.34 | jetscreamer | Azar: /etc/kernel-img.conf iirc |
| 05:04.39 | gpm | yeah, but at google you have to use goobuntu |
| 05:04.44 | jetscreamer | hooks |
| 05:04.45 | simonrvn | bytekode: yes |
| 05:04.48 | Azar | zinx: hmm ok bad choice of words |
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| 05:04.56 | bytekode | cool |
| 05:05.20 | gpm | you'd need initrd i imagine though |
| 05:05.20 | jnguy | I have to use RHEL at work.... :( |
| 05:05.24 | Azar | my brain is full of numbers at this time of the day, words come out crooked |
| 05:05.33 | Amarande | jnguy, better than Windows Server, at least :) |
| 05:05.36 | gpm | i only use xfs for /home and extra hd's for media storage |
| 05:05.43 | jnguy | Amarande: Touche my friend. |
| 05:06.14 | jnguy | worse is I have a kvm with a windows machine... that has a vm to do web testing at ie6. |
| 05:06.20 | jnguy | Oh, btw. I HATE IE |
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| 05:06.41 | gpm | you and everyone else here |
| 05:06.54 | Amarande | Someone should paint a gigantic Dragon's Fang on the Microsoft campus ... heh |
| 05:06.58 | bytekode | i just run ie4/5/6 on linux (wine) and occasionally test 7 on another machine when i'm doing web dev :/ |
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| 05:06.59 | Azar | stoned: you here? |
| 05:07.09 | man_in_shack | having some trouble with aptitude at the moment |
| 05:07.23 | man_in_shack | doesn't seem to like responding to the keyboard |
| 05:07.43 | jnguy | Its unfortunate opera doesn't have a better following... although I do love firefox pre 2.0 |
| 05:07.43 | Azar | man_in_shack: oh? aptitude not answering to the keyboard? never heard of |
| 05:07.49 | Amarande | man_in_shack, try running it in a console instead of an X terminal |
| 05:07.52 | man_in_shack | yeah it's freaky |
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| 05:08.01 | man_in_shack | Amarande, i am trying to run it on console |
| 05:08.02 | gpm | !start a browser war |
| 05:08.03 | Azar | man_in_shack: show us what you type: the magic spell |
| 05:08.04 | dpkg | Mosaic > links! |
| 05:08.17 | jnguy | w3m! |
| 05:08.19 | Amarande | !start a distro war |
| 05:08.20 | dpkg | Debian Rulz |
| 05:08.20 | man_in_shack | it seems to be ok in xterms though :S |
| 05:08.30 | Amarande | I didn't say !preach to choir, dpkg |
| 05:08.40 | gpm | Amarande: that's what i was thinking |
| 05:08.42 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 05:08.42 | Azar | man_in_shack: you cant do some admin tasks from a console in user mode |
| 05:08.43 | man_in_shack | i've tried upgrading dependencies but to no avail |
| 05:08.51 | jnguy | anyways, I'm off. |
| 05:08.56 | jnguy | Always a pleasure everyone. |
| 05:09.01 | Azar | night |
| 05:09.16 | man_in_shack | Azar, it's logged in as root |
| 05:09.32 | Azar | man_in_shack: use a paster like this |
| 05:09.34 | Azar | !paster |
| 05:09.35 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 05:09.38 | man_in_shack | and anyways, you can still run aptitude as user, but as soon as you try to install anything, it explains the situation |
| 05:09.48 | Azar | and paste the image with your command and the results |
| 05:09.58 | man_in_shack | Azar, what is there to paste, since aptitude is an ncurses program? |
| 05:10.06 | man_in_shack | i type: aptitude |
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| 05:10.15 | man_in_shack | and it does not respond to keyboard from that point on |
| 05:10.15 | Azar | just aptitude? |
| 05:10.23 | man_in_shack | can't go up/down/enter or anything |
| 05:10.27 | man_in_shack | have to ctrl+c it |
| 05:10.42 | man_in_shack | not even q works |
| 05:10.50 | Azar | man_in_shack: ok go to /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README then |
| 05:10.52 | gpm | only in console, right? |
| 05:10.55 | gpm | not in xterm? |
| 05:11.06 | man_in_shack | gpm, yup |
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| 05:12.25 | man_in_shack | Azar, what exactly am i looking for here? |
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| 05:13.57 | gpm | man_in_shack: but otherwise the VCs work fine with the keyboard? |
| 05:14.05 | man_in_shack | gpm, seems so |
| 05:14.11 | man_in_shack | i should try it with other ncurses apps |
| 05:14.18 | gpm | good call |
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| 05:14.23 | simonrvn | 'reset'? :) |
| 05:14.26 | jetscreamer | /usr/share/aptitude |
| 05:14.34 | man_in_shack | ncmpc works fine |
| 05:14.45 | mmnicolas | is bash obsoleted by zsh ? |
| 05:14.51 | simonrvn | no |
| 05:14.52 | gpm | no |
| 05:14.53 | man_in_shack | reset, for the 2nd time, changes nothing |
| 05:15.00 | man_in_shack | mmnicolas, NEVER! |
| 05:15.01 | man_in_shack | :) |
| 05:15.15 | man_in_shack | zsh is a quite different shell, iirc |
| 05:15.17 | mmnicolas | can zsh be a replacement for bash ? |
| 05:15.18 | simonrvn | man_in_shack: missed that... |
| 05:15.28 | gpm | mmnicolas: you can use it as your shell |
| 05:15.39 | mmnicolas | man_in_shack: well i juste realized that konsole was using zsh isnt it ? |
| 05:15.46 | man_in_shack | mmnicolas, you'll probably want bash installed as well, since a lot of scripts want it, but you can use zsh as your default |
| 05:15.47 | gpm | not by default |
| 05:16.05 | man_in_shack | simonrvn, yeah, forgot to say before i tried reset :) |
| 05:16.06 | gpm | your shell is configured via the chsh program |
| 05:16.07 | gpm | chsh |
| 05:16.21 | man_in_shack | hah, that seems to have fixed it |
| 05:16.23 | man_in_shack | stty sane |
| 05:16.24 | man_in_shack | :) |
| 05:16.27 | mmnicolas | ok thanks, i'll take a look |
| 05:16.46 | man_in_shack | now i have to remember what i was trying to upgrade |
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| 05:16.53 | gpm | man_in_shack: you may want to report a bug unless you know you're doing some weird stuff with your kbd/VCs |
| 05:16.55 | simonrvn | yeh... there's some ctrl-c ctrl-x key combo or some esc char sequence that does that |
| 05:17.04 | simonrvn | man_in_shack: ^^^ |
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| 05:17.30 | gpm | oh |
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| 05:17.44 | man_in_shack | gpm, well it seems clear that something freaky happened to my vt |
| 05:17.53 | gpm | yeah |
| 05:17.55 | man_in_shack | and for some reason, reset didn't fix it, but stty sane did |
| 05:18.05 | gpm | i get it now |
| 05:18.06 | man_in_shack | although it didn't affect ncmpc |
| 05:18.23 | man_in_shack | just aptitude |
| 05:18.26 | man_in_shack | very odd |
| 05:18.28 | man_in_shack | but working now :) |
| 05:19.10 | simonrvn | aptitude is real sensitive to that sort of thing |
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| 05:21.08 | man_in_shack | heh now it's gone nuts again, and stty sane isn't helping |
| 05:21.10 | man_in_shack | fun times |
| 05:21.20 | man_in_shack | i think it doesn't like the bell symbol for some reason |
| 05:21.29 | Azar | typing aptitude: Once the cache is loaded (this may take some time on slower machines), the main aptitude screen should appear |
| 05:21.39 | man_in_shack | as in, it's not actually making the bell noise |
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| 05:21.47 | Azar | man_in_shack: I told you to read the README you will learn lots of things about aptitude there |
| 05:21.56 | man_in_shack | Azar, yeah, it loads correctly, just doesn't respond to the keyboard |
| 05:22.43 | Azar | dumbie he has navigational keys there |
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| 05:23.12 | fatman | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:23.17 | mmnicolas | aptitude easter egg is nicer than the apt-get easter egg, for this reason i use aptitude |
| 05:23.18 | aptitude | mmnicolas: okay |
| 05:23.29 | man_in_shack | :| somehow my xchat just exploded |
| 05:23.34 | mmnicolas | ;P |
| 05:23.47 | Azar | fatman: drop the spam |
| 05:24.00 | Azar | !moo |
| 05:24.00 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 05:24.11 | man_in_shack | and now the bell is working again |
| 05:24.17 | man_in_shack | logged out and logged back in |
| 05:24.22 | man_in_shack | on the console |
| 05:24.55 | Azar | so when you type aptitude the menu comes up, right? |
| 05:25.27 | tvn | I have 2 Debian etch systems -- and try to run the same program which displays a special type of file (somewhat similar to lit format), one displays correctly the other displays with some of the characters missing -- what could be the cause ? |
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| 05:26.33 | Azar | tvn: did you installed both the same way, with same applications ? |
| 05:27.28 | tvn | Azar: I am not sure about that --- but both has similar font packages -- or anything related to fonts that I can think of. I am trying to find out which might be missing |
| 05:27.28 | man_in_shack | Azar, when i type "aptitude" i get the options for "Upgradable Packages" etc |
| 05:27.48 | man_in_shack | Azar, before i logged out/in again, it didn't respond to the keyboard, so i couldn't select any options |
| 05:28.02 | Azar | man_in_shack: tried F10 ? |
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| 05:29.44 | man_in_shack | Azar, it's now working correctly though :| |
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| 05:29.45 | Azar | tvn: if you did not perform similar installation, with similar options, and upgraded both, one might miss some package that might perform that task |
| 05:29.45 | scx | Hi, for some reason my stats -p doesn't work |
| 05:29.45 | scx | could somebody tell me if there's a freenode staff around? |
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| 05:29.47 | tvn | Azar: any suggestion for troubleshooting fonts ? where to start ? |
| 05:29.54 | Azar | tvn: not so expert, sorry |
| 05:30.21 | man_in_shack | scx, that's not a debian question is it? |
| 05:30.28 | tvn | Azar: thanks anyway ... |
| 05:30.30 | Azar | man_in_shack: yes it is |
| 05:30.43 | Azar | tvn: our experts are watching sunday night movies atm |
| 05:31.00 | man_in_shack | Azar, how is it a debian question? |
| 05:31.13 | Azar | man_in_shack: because Debian comes with fonts :) |
| 05:31.33 | Azar | and there are Debian packages for fonts |
| 05:31.34 | scx | man_in_shack: Find some cookies and milk |
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| 05:32.00 | cilkay_ | Hello. Occasionally, when I click on the File menu for OpenOffice, KDE freezes. I can still see the cursor moving when I move the mouse but the keyboard is not responsive. When I login via ssh, I can see that Xorg is consuming all of the CPU. Rather than just reboot the machine, I'd like to troubleshoot this and come up with a solution. Any ideas? |
| 05:32.05 | man_in_shack | Azar, how is "my stats p doesn't work" relate to fonts exactly? |
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| 05:32.17 | man_in_shack | scx, btw, the command is: /stats p |
| 05:32.22 | man_in_shack | does not have a - in it |
| 05:32.26 | scx | man_in_shack: really? |
| 05:32.26 | Amarande | cilkay_, have you tried GNOME? |
| 05:33.14 | man_in_shack | pretty damn sure |
| 05:33.14 | man_in_shack | though i've never needed to use it :) |
| 05:33.14 | man_in_shack | scx, you could also hop over to #freenode |
| 05:33.14 | cilkay_ | Amarande: I have no interest whatsoever in changing desktop managers. |
| 05:33.14 | scx | man_in_shack: Wow, now you are here I feel really happy! Finally someone with common sense! |
| 05:33.14 | Azar | man_in_shack: tvn did not asked for stats -p |
| 05:33.14 | cilkay_ | Especially not to GNOME. |
| 05:33.15 | en1gma | i ran this command as user 'make-kpkg -rev Custom.007 kernel_image' per http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html and it all worked good until i get this error |
| 05:33.15 | en1gma | This is kernel package version 11.001. |
| 05:33.15 | en1gma | need root privileges |
| 05:33.15 | en1gma | make: *** [binary/linux-image-2.6.22-rc3] Error 1 |
| 05:33.15 | man_in_shack | Azar, and i did not speak to tvn :) |
| 05:33.15 | scx | man_in_shack: I'd even like to marry you! |
| 05:33.18 | Azar | ah |
| 05:33.29 | man_in_shack | Azar, <man_in_shack> scx, that's not a debian question is it? |
| 05:33.33 | man_in_shack | :) |
| 05:33.40 | Azar | hehe |
| 05:33.47 | man_in_shack | :) |
| 05:33.53 | man_in_shack | this is interesting |
| 05:34.05 | man_in_shack | worthy of a qdb.us posting |
| 05:34.20 | man_in_shack | first you say "i'd even like to marry you" then you kick me in the nuts |
| 05:34.21 | en1gma | help |
| 05:34.28 | Azar | well is an irc question and we are on irc |
| 05:34.46 | TbbW | lol |
| 05:34.48 | man_in_shack | Azar, true, but it's not technically on-topic :P |
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| 05:35.18 | scx | anyways... |
| 05:35.24 | Azar | en1gma: hmm why not using a precompiled debian kernel? |
| 05:35.25 | cilkay_ | Any ideas on why Xorg has gone nuts and is consuming all of the CPU? |
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| 05:35.36 | cilkay_ | This is on Etch. |
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| 05:35.37 | en1gma | cause i cant install my video card driver |
| 05:35.42 | en1gma | but anyhow onto my q |
| 05:35.50 | Azar | en1gma: sorry just because I don't compile my kernels I am using a precompiled one |
| 05:36.04 | jelly-home | en1gma: use -rfakeroot when building |
| 05:36.05 | en1gma | are you going to help with my Q |
| 05:36.08 | Azar | en1gma: what video card? newest? |
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| 05:36.11 | en1gma | ahhh ok thanks |
| 05:36.14 | cilkay_ | I can't even switch to init 3. |
| 05:36.15 | maddash | how do I tell aptitude to stop trying to install xserver-xorg-*-all whenever I issue `aptitude install xserver-xorg`? |
| 05:36.16 | en1gma | 8800gtx |
| 05:36.24 | Azar | wow nice! |
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| 05:36.31 | en1gma | when it works it is :) |
| 05:36.51 | jelly-home | en1gma: fresh kernels won't help you with that... if anything, the nonfree drivers might not even work |
| 05:37.02 | en1gma | oh how wrong you are |
| 05:37.12 | Azar | teehee!! |
| 05:37.15 | en1gma | paravirt is disabled |
| 05:37.34 | en1gma | in 2.6.22 |
| 05:37.36 | jelly-home | paravirt doesn't even exist in 2.6.18 |
| 05:37.40 | Azar | maddash: try apt-get ? aptitude tends to install relatives |
| 05:37.58 | en1gma | 2.6.18 had probs with dmraid |
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| 05:38.37 | jelly-home | please ignore my humble attempts to confuse |
| 05:38.37 | gpm | en1gma: did you google this..the problem is a big pita iirc |
| 05:38.37 | maddash | azar: hello, honorable. |
| 05:38.43 | Azar | hi mister maddash |
| 05:39.05 | Azar | en1gma: jelly-home might know way more than you |
| 05:39.43 | jelly-home | Azar: no, I was being sincere... he seems to have good reasons to build the kernel. |
| 05:39.47 | en1gma | nunyer@CPU1:~/linux-2.6.22-rc3$ make-kpkg -rfakeroot kernel_image |
| 05:39.47 | en1gma | Unknown option: rfakeroot |
| 05:40.00 | jelly-home | en1gma: rtfm? |
| 05:40.09 | gpm | http://www.cafuego.net/stuff/2.6.20-paravirt-nvidia.patch |
| 05:40.12 | gpm | use 2.6.20 |
| 05:40.13 | gpm | be happy |
| 05:40.18 | en1gma | im way past that |
| 05:40.22 | maddash | azar: erm, but apt-get also suffers from the "install it all" mentality |
| 05:40.30 | en1gma | i read so far i found out paravirt is disabled in 2.6.22 |
| 05:40.38 | Azar | wowww mister cafuego cooks goodies!! |
| 05:40.39 | jelly-home | en1gma: I've mixed up options, but there's one like "--rootcmd" or something |
| 05:40.49 | maddash | en1gma it's --rootcmd fakeroot, I think |
| 05:40.56 | gpm | but 22 isn't out yet |
| 05:40.59 | maddash | en1gma all of kpkg's args have spaces |
| 05:41.04 | gpm | not officially |
| 05:41.07 | Azar | maddash: hmmm try to find some trick on /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README |
| 05:41.14 | jelly-home | en1gma: also, paravirt is a compile time option... make menuconfig and disable it? |
| 05:41.22 | en1gma | i did |
| 05:41.24 | kenji2 | how can I make a vcd photo album with debian? |
| 05:41.27 | en1gma | why you think i compiling |
| 05:41.30 | kenji2 | is there a k3b or gnome backer way? |
| 05:41.42 | jelly-home | en1gma: no idea, why the newest kernel? |
| 05:41.48 | gpm | s/why you/why do you |
| 05:41.56 | en1gma | cause if im going to compile might as well gt the latest |
| 05:42.04 | gpm | s/i compiling/i am compiling |
| 05:42.17 | jelly-home | s/gpm/grammar nazi/ |
| 05:42.31 | maddash | azar: told aptitude to ignore "recommends." :) |
| 05:42.31 | cafuego | gpm: Don't use that, it violates the gpl. |
| 05:43.00 | en1gma | maddash that worked |
| 05:43.05 | en1gma | thanks |
| 05:43.10 | gpm | it's just hard to take people seriously when they don't speak well |
| 05:43.13 | gpm | er, type well |
| 05:43.23 | gpm | cafuego: awwww |
| 05:43.40 | cafuego | Like without proper capitalisation or full stops at the end of sentences? |
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| 05:43.41 | jelly-home | en1gma: ah, sometimes the latest and greatest kernels aren't the best. I'd go with latest 2.6.21.x or even 2.6.20.x for that extra stability |
| 05:43.44 | gpm | 's ok, i'll just wait for the nvidia dd to figure it out for me and use .18 in the mean time |
| 05:43.52 | gpm | 21.3 |
| 05:43.54 | gpm | fyi |
| 05:43.55 | Azar | maddash: Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] << In addition to the obvious options of ``Yes'' and ``No'', a number of commands are available which can be used to change the information displayed at the prompt, or to specify further actions. For instance, typing ``s'' will display or hide information about how much space each package will use |
| 05:44.05 | en1gma | well they addressed the paravirt problem so i figure why not |
| 05:44.24 | gpm | there's a reason it's not stable yet |
| 05:44.35 | kenji2 | no way? |
| 05:44.37 | en1gma | i know how to compile the slackware way (which is exactly what is in the kernel.org kernel readmes) debian confuses me a bit |
| 05:44.40 | gpm | and even more reasons why even .21.3 hasn't been packaged for debian yet |
| 05:44.41 | cafuego | Yes, lazy coders. |
| 05:44.44 | jelly-home | gpm: not enough testing, for example. |
| 05:44.56 | gpm | haha |
| 05:44.59 | gpm | damn slackers |
| 05:45.11 | gpm | jelly-home: for starters |
| 05:45.14 | en1gma | im using 2.6.21-3 right now from debian |
| 05:45.20 | gpm | oh |
| 05:45.30 | jelly-home | gpm: which is exactly what they're going to get with this fine user! |
| 05:45.33 | gpm | but that's .21 3rd debian packaging, right? |
| 05:45.45 | gpm | jelly-home: you make him sound like some kind of prey |
| 05:45.45 | en1gma | i think so |
| 05:45.49 | maddash | azar: heh, never read aptitude's man. thanks. |
| 05:45.59 | gpm | right...not the same as .21.3 |
| 05:46.16 | en1gma | ahh ok...i thought it meant the same thing |
| 05:46.16 | gpm | which is a kernel version |
| 05:46.23 | gpm | i don't think so |
| 05:46.29 | en1gma | i think your correct |
| 05:46.46 | gpm | s/your/you're |
| 05:46.46 | maddash | s/your/you're/ |
| 05:46.51 | gpm | i win |
| 05:46.52 | en1gma | lol |
| 05:47.08 | jelly-home | s/i win/I win./ |
| 05:47.11 | gpm | those ck patches are still out there |
| 05:47.19 | gpm | i don't bother with capilization |
| 05:47.23 | Azar | maddash: the README is really fun to read, there is a lot of interesting stuff out there |
| 05:47.25 | gpm | i'm like e.e. cummings |
| 05:47.32 | en1gma | c/C/k/K |
| 05:47.34 | jelly-home | gpm: you don't bother with spelling, either! |
| 05:47.40 | maddash | hmm, roadrunner is supposed to provide a 43% increase in bandwidth, but I don't see anything. aptitude's slow as hell. |
| 05:47.54 | gpm | fuck! |
| 05:47.59 | gpm | capitalization |
| 05:48.20 | jelly-home | yes, -ck is going fine and still seems to be better for desktop usage than vanilla. |
| 05:48.26 | gpm | jelly-home: good to know |
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| 05:48.39 | jelly-home | irc.oftc.net #ck |
| 05:49.02 | gpm | meh, i'll stick to the pre-packaged ones |
| 05:49.07 | gpm | from debian, i mean |
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| 05:49.13 | jelly-home | no prepackaged -ck :-| |
| 05:49.20 | gpm | :-( |
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| 05:50.06 | jelly-home | also, prepackaged doesn't give me drivers that have gone into -mm. :-| |
| 05:51.08 | jelly-home | or that HPET forcing thingy that seems to help with saving the laptop battery a bit |
| 05:51.36 | maddash | startx outputs, 'could not open font "fixed" -- fatal server error' which package has 'fixed'? |
| 05:52.01 | gpm | xfonts-base |
| 05:52.07 | gpm | but you should use pdo/apt-file |
| 05:52.29 | maddash | gpm huh? what does apt-file have to do with this? |
| 05:52.54 | gpm | searching for the package that has a font |
| 05:53.16 | maddash | gpm: whoa. apt-file can do what pdo does? |
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| 05:53.45 | gpm | i don't know if it can do everything |
| 05:53.48 | jelly-home | maddash: yes, only slower! |
| 05:54.01 | gpm | yeah, i use pdo if i have internet |
| 05:54.10 | bytekode | speaking of slow, i'm compiling iceweasel :< |
| 05:54.22 | gpm | wait, fixed is in xfonts-base, right? |
| 05:54.42 | maddash | yep. |
| 05:54.45 | maddash | grazie. |
| 05:54.59 | gpm | phew |
| 05:55.20 | Azar | maddash: -D, --show-deps << Show brief summaries of why packages will be automatically installed or removed // also see -R, --without-recommends |
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| 05:56.28 | gpm | shit |
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| 05:56.40 | jelly-home | note that -R changes the setting forever, and isn't used for that run only |
| 05:57.00 | maddash | heh, I'm having so much fun searching for nvidia drivers inside w3m. |
| 05:57.02 | gpm | jelly-home: you can set it back, right? |
| 05:57.18 | jelly-home | gpm: probably |
| 05:57.27 | gpm | i know how to do it in the -curses interface |
| 05:57.34 | gpm | i've never actually read the aptitude man page though |
| 05:57.45 | gpm | for shame |
| 05:57.49 | Azar | gpm: I like more the README than the man page |
| 05:58.15 | maddash | azar: -R sounds useful |
| 05:58.25 | gpm | yeah, if i don't have time i skip to README.Debian |
| 05:58.42 | jelly-home | gpm: the command line is a nice replacement for apt-get, but some options behave strangely, like that one |
| 05:59.01 | gpm | jelly-home: well that isn't even an option in apt-get, so aptitude still wins |
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| 05:59.24 | jelly-home | gpm: apt-get has -R only, which works for me ;-) |
| 05:59.31 | Azar | gpm: is on /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README |
| 06:00.02 | Azar | very cool ways to customize it too.. |
| 06:00.08 | jelly-home | gpm: I think aptitude used to remove all sorts of already installed Recommends when you told it to -R... dunno if that's fixed |
| 06:00.10 | gpm | cool |
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| 06:00.17 | iKernel | HI;. |
| 06:00.27 | gpm | one would hope |
| 06:00.29 | iKernel | Who should I contact concerning packages in the deb pool? |
| 06:00.33 | jelly-home | one would |
| 06:00.53 | gpm | and if one were a good community member, one would check the bts i guess...but i'm sleepy |
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| 06:01.08 | jelly-home | gpm: oh, it was in bts last time I checked |
| 06:01.09 | Azar | jelly-home: which I find it useful I have no idea which recommends aptitude installs, not keeping track of them |
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| 06:01.14 | gpm | phew |
| 06:01.27 | iKernel | !help |
| 06:01.33 | iKernel | :-\ |
| 06:01.38 | iKernel | agh |
| 06:01.40 | iKernel | ah* |
| 06:01.44 | jelly-home | iKernel: what's the real problem you have? |
| 06:01.48 | Azar | stoned!!! :) |
| 06:02.01 | iKernel | "I learn mainly by observing declarative statements such as "x is at http://www.xxx.com", and then reply when people ask things like "where can i find x?"" |
| 06:02.02 | iKernel | lmao |
| 06:02.23 | jelly-home | !bts |
| 06:02.24 | dpkg | bts is, like, the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 06:03.03 | iKernel | jelly-home, well... gaim has been changed to "Pidgin" plus the gui has a complete make over... not only is gaim still floating around in the repos, but pidgin is not in them at all |
| 06:03.12 | gpm | useful? i'd say apt-listbugs should be required |
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| 06:03.26 | gpm | iKernel: pidgin is in unstable |
| 06:03.28 | Amarande | pidgin is in sid, iKernel |
| 06:03.33 | iKernel | ah |
| 06:03.33 | gpm | sometimes patience is a virtue |
| 06:03.48 | iKernel | I have no problem with compiling the source |
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| 06:04.07 | gpm | that may be a temporary solution if you just can't wait to have pidgin |
| 06:04.11 | jelly-home | iKernel: you could make a backport then, if the dependencies allow |
| 06:04.17 | gpm | oh, he's on stable |
| 06:04.29 | gpm | i guess this is why the release cycle is so hard for some users |
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| 06:04.33 | iKernel | I always like to be on stable :) |
| 06:04.39 | jelly-home | gpm: indeedy |
| 06:04.50 | Amarande | other than Wine and Amaya, I definitely remember those |
| 06:04.59 | gpm | i've never had a major problem on testing |
| 06:05.25 | iKernel | jelly-home, nah |
| 06:05.26 | iKernel | :P |
| 06:05.40 | iKernel | crazy XD |
| 06:05.45 | Amarande | yeah, for some reason the sid wine maintainer insists on staying behind the times |
| 06:05.49 | Amarande | .36 and .37 are out. |
| 06:05.59 | Amarande | So what does he do? He gives us sid'ified versions of .32 and .33 |
| 06:06.07 | jelly-home | Amarande: he gets to it every now and then... |
| 06:06.19 | Amarande | jelly-home, why did he package .33 when .36 or .37 was out, though? |
| 06:06.34 | jelly-home | Amarande: because it was ready and better than .31? |
| 06:06.46 | gpm | because he got high |
| 06:06.46 | iKernel | I think I know why. |
| 06:06.53 | Amarande | and exactly -what- is in that 10MB diff, anyhow? :) |
| 06:07.09 | maddash | wtf? my etch netinst cd installed lenny |
| 06:07.11 | jelly-home | oh, same old, same old |
| 06:07.12 | iKernel | because he had already compiled .33 and couldn't be bothered for .37 compile |
| 06:07.38 | gpm | maddash: when did you get this cd? |
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| 06:07.40 | Amarande | maddash, did you download it before etch went stable? |
| 06:07.47 | jelly-home | iKernel: nah, wine guys usually add some bits and remove others, making the source package update nontrivial |
| 06:07.51 | maddash | gpm: 11/2006 |
| 06:07.59 | gpm | yeah |
| 06:08.03 | gpm | it was pointing to testing |
| 06:08.05 | gpm | not etch |
| 06:08.07 | gpm | :-/ |
| 06:08.13 | maddash | amarande: feck. so the netinst cd just installs whatever is testing? |
| 06:08.19 | maddash | gpm: ugh. |
| 06:08.20 | Amarande | maddash, if it's for testing, yeah |
| 06:08.22 | Azar | hmm I have to admit, "konversation" client looks nice |
| 06:08.34 | Amarande | if you download a *new* etch netinst, it will do etch |
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| 06:08.49 | iKernel | oh not this crap again, configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool |
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| 06:09.06 | gpm | iKernel: so go get that module |
| 06:09.28 | iKernel | gpm, last time I tried it, was on ubuntu and it kept on looping on some thing |
| 06:09.29 | gpm | cpan..actually i think that one's got a debian package for it |
| 06:09.35 | iKernel | gpm, but debian is better than ubuntu :) |
| 06:09.41 | jelly-home | !info libxml-parser-perl |
| 06:09.45 | gpm | jelly-home: nice |
| 06:09.46 | dpkg | libxml-parser-perl: (Perl module for parsing XML files), section perl, is optional. Version: 2.34-4.2 (sid), Packaged size: 284 kB, Installed size: 704 kB |
| 06:09.51 | iKernel | >:( |
| 06:09.55 | iKernel | ruined my fun! |
| 06:09.56 | jelly-home | !info libxml-parser-perl etch |
| 06:10.01 | Azar | maddash: you got an OLD etch CD from the time when it was in "testing" and your sources are "testing" hehe |
| 06:10.01 | dpkg | libxml-parser-perl: (Perl module for parsing XML files), section perl, is optional. Version: 2.34-4.2 (etch), Packaged size: 284 kB, Installed size: 704 kB |
| 06:10.11 | gpm | same version |
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| 06:10.25 | jelly-home | dpkg could be made a bit smarter there I guess |
| 06:10.28 | iKernel | looks like somebody's doing things properly :) |
| 06:10.41 | maddash | eh, lenny can't be *that* bad |
| 06:10.47 | gpm | jelly-home: wha? |
| 06:10.51 | Azar | maddash: I found several linux CD vendor sites that are still listing Sarge as stable and Etch as testing and selling them as such |
| 06:10.56 | iKernel | jelly-home, no, I just downloaded 2.34-4.2 xml parser on etch |
| 06:11.05 | gpm | madflojo: it's not that bad |
| 06:11.08 | gpm | oops |
| 06:11.11 | jelly-home | gpm: this is a support channel, defaulting to stable makes more sense |
| 06:11.18 | iKernel | yep |
| 06:11.20 | jelly-home | gpm: talking about the bot |
| 06:11.24 | iKernel | wait this is a support channel? |
| 06:11.34 | jelly-home | iKernel: I think so... ;-) |
| 06:11.43 | gpm | jelly-home: i know, but i think sid and etch just have the same versions of that package |
| 06:11.47 | gpm | oh |
| 06:11.48 | Azar | iKernel: a "voluntary" one... dont cry for your money to us tho |
| 06:11.49 | gpm | i get it |
| 06:11.51 | gpm | never mind |
| 06:11.59 | gpm | you mean it should show all at once |
| 06:12.04 | iKernel | lol Azar |
| 06:12.17 | iKernel | I get by on my own with linux these days :) |
| 06:12.24 | jelly-home | or show "etch" when asked for no particular release |
| 06:12.49 | gpm | who was it that was recommending the -rc kernel to en1gma earlier |
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| 06:13.15 | gpm | i'm not guilty there. i was promoting teh stable |
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| 06:13.35 | jelly-home | if it hasn't three dots in the version, it's not good! |
| 06:13.49 | gpm | lol |
| 06:13.51 | iKernel | lol |
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| 06:14.19 | jelly-home | (which is why I run 2.6.22-rc3-ck1+mm-gregkh-nozomi-driver+mm-force-hpet ;-) |
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| 06:14.30 | iKernel | jelly-home, 2.6.18-4-686 <-- does that make mine good? :) |
| 06:14.43 | jelly-home | iKernel: yes, those are TEH WIN |
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| 06:14.43 | gpm | no |
| 06:14.59 | jelly-home | the dots are in there, just hidden |
| 06:15.00 | gpm | that's only two dots though |
| 06:15.06 | gpm | my mistake |
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| 06:16.08 | jelly-home | I bet there's a lot of dots in the changelog... like " Add 2.6.18.7, thanks gregkh: " |
| 06:16.18 | iKernel | 2.6.18 is months old though :-\ |
| 06:16.34 | jelly-home | that's stable for you, only critical and security fixes |
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| 06:16.55 | gpm | and testing |
| 06:17.04 | jelly-home | gpm: huh? |
| 06:17.06 | gpm | or maybe the kernel team is just adjusting to this 2.6.20 nonsense |
| 06:17.11 | gpm | testing is still at 2.6.18 |
| 06:17.16 | jelly-home | oh |
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| 06:17.43 | iKernel | anybody tried cat /dev/urandom ? |
| 06:17.52 | iKernel | terminal goes crazy :D |
| 06:18.25 | scx | iKernel: of course |
| 06:18.26 | jelly-home | cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp ? |
| 06:18.39 | jelly-home | get some nice white noise! |
| 06:18.40 | gpm | !give iKernel a cookie |
| 06:18.49 | gpm | x-Dieu: aww |
| 06:18.57 | jelly-home | x-Dieu: bad script! |
| 06:19.04 | iKernel | all you have to do is type reset and hit enter :D |
| 06:19.14 | gpm | !give iKernel a cookie |
| 06:19.26 | jelly-home | !moo |
| 06:19.26 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 06:19.38 | jelly-home | oh good, no !moo shippers any more |
| 06:19.38 | scx | !give me a clue |
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| 06:19.49 | gpm | oh no.... |
| 06:19.51 | gpm | !hi |
| 06:19.51 | dpkg | hello, gpm |
| 06:19.57 | mmnicolas | what the hell is going on |
| 06:20.11 | gpm | badbad? |
| 06:20.13 | gpm | badbot? |
| 06:20.24 | jelly-home | What kind of action gives you Clinton? |
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| 06:21.16 | gpm | !beer me |
| 06:21.20 | gpm | !give me a cookie |
| 06:21.26 | gpm | yeah, he likes to give |
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| 06:21.36 | iKernel | !beer gpm |
| 06:21.44 | scx | !shut up |
| 06:21.45 | dpkg | No, I won't, and you can't make me. :P |
| 06:21.46 | Azar | hmm debian's weekly news stopped with the last ones on Apr 24 2007. |
| 06:21.47 | gpm | i've had enough, thanks |
| 06:21.47 | iKernel | :D |
| 06:21.54 | iKernel | !beer gpm NOW DRINK UP |
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| 06:22.27 | Azar | !bot abuse |
| 06:22.43 | purplepenguins | !bot love |
| 06:22.52 | scx | please stop |
| 06:22.53 | gpm | shall we inform the ops |
| 06:38.03 | Azar | iKernel: have you heard about iGasm? |
| 06:38.03 | purplepenguins | iGasm? |
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| 06:38.04 | Azar | yeah some sex toy Apple wants to banish its name |
| 06:38.04 | Amarande | well, this is going to be a disastrous Memorial Day for lots of people |
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| 06:38.05 | Dewi | Amarande: why? |
| 06:38.05 | purplepenguins | Apple...heh |
| 06:38.05 | Azar | mister Dewi!!! long time no see |
| 06:38.05 | Amarande | Dewi: Little thing called rain |
| 06:38.05 | Amarande | heh |
| 06:38.05 | purplepenguins | Somehow maintaining a counter-culture stereotype while still being a monolithic comporation |
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| 06:38.05 | Dewi | purplepenguins: and meanwhile quicktime is still trying to force me to install iTunes every time I play a video |
| 06:38.05 | Guerin | purplepenguins: not really |
| 06:38.06 | waqjan | so any product name beginning with an 'i' is somehow tied to apple? |
| 06:38.06 | Guerin | purplepenguins: nobody seriously thinks apple is a counterculture |
| 06:38.06 | Dewi | purplepenguins: and that's after turning off all autoupdate features |
| 06:38.06 | iKernel | Azar, rofl |
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| 06:38.06 | Guerin | waqjan: iThinkSo |
| 06:38.06 | iKernel | Azar, using an iBrator? :P |
| 06:38.07 | Azar | well I have to make a confession: even an ex-monopolist company, I allways felt for IBM strongly, my secret dream was to have an IBM machine |
| 06:38.07 | Azar | hehehehe |
| 06:38.07 | Guerin | IBM was never a monopolist |
| 06:38.07 | purplepenguins | Even if Job's get iTunes to stop distributing DRM, I'm not going to change my opinion |
| 06:38.07 | Azar | Guerin: they were trying to |
| 06:38.07 | Azar | back in the odd days |
| 06:38.07 | Guerin | Azar: *every* business tries to |
| 06:38.07 | Guerin | it's called `fiduciary responsibility' |
| 06:38.07 | Azar | btw, honorable Guerin nice to see you again |
| 06:38.07 | Guerin | herro Azar |
| 06:38.07 | Dewi | Azar: you been away? |
| 06:38.08 | Azar | Guerin: and I was right to like IBM I liked how they reacted, and survived |
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| 06:38.08 | Azar | Dewi: been doing lots of overtime at work, from 7 am to 8 pm |
| 06:38.08 | gpm | yuck |
| 06:38.08 | Azar | but soon, I go in hospital have surgery, in 3 days back home for 2 months! :) |
| 06:38.08 | Azar | hehehe, I used to pull one of those back in the odd days! |
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| 06:38.08 | jelly-home | today's an even day though |
| 06:38.09 | gpm | bed time |
| 06:38.09 | Azar | hmmm something happened lately, not only I love my job, I make more money too... |
| 06:38.09 | Guerin | Azar: nice |
| 06:38.09 | Azar | or is just an ilusion fabricated by the capitalist/imperialist society to keep me happy and productive? |
| 06:38.10 | Azar | scx: I used to be bored and hate my job too |
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| 06:38.10 | Guerin | my job is ok |
| 06:38.11 | jelly-home | Azar: feckin imperialists trying to make you a nice job just to keep you working for them! Don't fall for it! |
| 06:38.11 | Guerin | it pays very poorly but feeds into my university work |
| 06:38.11 | Azar | until one day when I calculated my time and effort I am making to wake up, get dressed and go to work: I thougt: if I make this phenomenal effort I better enjoy what I am doing |
| 06:38.11 | scx | Well capitalism by itsel is not a bad idea |
| 06:38.11 | scx | just that it tends too much to abuse |
| 06:38.11 | scx | and corruption |
| 06:38.11 | Guerin | scx: like anything, it's great in theory - only the implementation is faulty |
| 06:38.11 | scx | and political madness |
| 06:38.11 | scx | and... |
| 06:38.11 | pipeline | scx, Guerin : #politics. |
| 06:38.12 | Azar | jelly-home: you are joking but you better believe: free breakfast and lunch, monthly receptions, lots of benefits, oh and yes, my boss respects me |
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| 06:38.13 | Guerin | pipeline: you mean #nazis-vs-zionists ? No thanks. |
| 06:38.13 | Dewi | Guerin: I called in sick today too, but I actually am sick |
| 06:38.13 | scx | :) |
| 06:38.13 | Dewi | Guerin: but it seems a shame to use up your sick days on actually being sick |
| 06:38.13 | Guerin | Dewi: i agree |
| 06:38.13 | Azar | well I go to work even when I am sick... |
| 06:38.13 | Dewi | Guerin: maybe I should call in sick for a day or two after I get better.... |
| 06:38.13 | pipeline | Guerin: You are saying incredibly stupid things. I don't want to see them go by. So, err, go to #politics. :) |
| 06:38.13 | Azar | if I stay home in bed I feel sicker |
| 06:38.14 | Guerin | i don't tend to get sick, so fishing is a good use of my sick days |
| 06:38.14 | scx | pipeline: calm down |
| 06:38.14 | pipeline | scx: You too. |
| 06:38.14 | Guerin | pipeline: ah, piss off |
| 06:38.14 | Guerin | pipeline: it was a throwaway one-off comment |
| 06:38.14 | scx | Guerin: would you like kick him up ? |
| 06:38.14 | Azar | pipeline: its sunday, we take the right to slide off topic |
| 06:38.15 | Guerin | scx: eh? |
| 06:38.15 | Dewi | Azar: it's monday afternoon :P |
| 06:38.15 | Amarande | scx, on paper, Marx probably had the closest thing to an ideal idea |
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| 06:38.15 | Amarande | unfortunately, humans don't, as a race, have enough of a sense of community giving to make it a reality |
| 06:38.15 | Azar | err Sunday 11:39pm in California |
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| 06:38.16 | scx | Amarande: Well, Communism sounds good but tends to be worse than capitalism |
| 06:38.16 | waqjan | Amarande: we do, just not in large groups |
| 06:38.16 | Guerin | ok |
| 06:38.16 | Dewi | Amarande: and why would we? It's not really sustainable |
| 06:38.16 | Guerin | ffs |
| 06:38.16 | scx | Amarande: Isee capitalism as a simple stage |
| 06:38.16 | Amarande | waqjan: yeah, just about everything works in a small community, up to maybe a few thousand people |
| 06:38.16 | Guerin | really, people, pipeline may have overreacted but he has a point |
| 06:38.16 | Amarande | I don't think there's enough common ground among the human race as a whole for anything to work as a world system, though |
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| 06:38.17 | fsteves | Is there a way to revert packages back to stable? |
| 06:38.17 | Guerin | fsteves: not reliably |
| 06:38.17 | scx | sooner (or most probably too late) capitalism will have to evolve |
| 06:38.17 | Amarande | Cultures are just too different, and people can't wrap around them |
| 06:38.17 | Azar | communism capitalism heck just fluffed words |
| 06:38.17 | Amarande | look at how the newspapers were going on and on about how horrible it was that women in Iran have to wear veils and such |
| 06:38.17 | Guerin | Amarande: stop. |
| 06:38.17 | fsteves | Guerin: thats what I was afraid of |
| 06:38.18 | Guerin | fsteves: how much got upgraded? |
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| 06:38.18 | purplepenguins | Please take the political discussion to #off-topic... |
| 06:38.18 | Azar | hmmmm I can't see this "Amarande" guy |
| 06:38.18 | Guerin | fsteves: rephrase: did libc6 get upgraded? |
| 06:38.18 | fsteves | Only a 8 packages |
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| 06:38.18 | Amarande | Azar, your client may have a bug |
| 06:38.18 | fsteves | but yes, libc6 did, therefore I lost tzdata and utils-linux |
| 06:38.18 | Amarande | which client are you using? :) |
| 06:38.19 | GuHHH | hello, i need some help |
| 06:38.19 | Guerin | fsteves: yeah. That's the kicker. |
| 06:38.19 | purplepenguins | ask away GuHHH |
| 06:38.19 | GuHHH | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:38.19 | purplepenguins | Hmm |
| 06:38.19 | purplepenguins | first boot with a new kernel? |
| 06:38.19 | Guerin | GuHHH: use a debian kernel |
| 06:38.20 | fsteves | I wanted to give splashy a run, im not worried about formatting |
| 06:38.32 | GuHHH | Guerin: why i cant use the lastest kernel at kernel.org? |
| 06:38.34 | purplepenguins | Sounds like whatever kernel you're using lacks SATA chipset drivers or some such thing |
| 06:38.37 | fsteves | next time I think I will chroot and debootstrap before I do that |
| 06:38.44 | Guerin | GuHHH: because you appear to be unable to build one which works |
| 06:38.46 | Amarande | GuHHH: there is no longer a distinction numberwise between beta and ok kernels |
| 06:38.50 | Azar | GuHHH: because is a non-debian kernel |
| 06:39.08 | GuHHH | lol, very nice. |
| 06:39.16 | purplepenguins | GuHHH: you _can_ use them, but you have to compile it with the drivers you need |
| 06:39.24 | Amarande | GuHHH: the debian kernel combines an ok base kernel with fixes from the later beta kernels |
| 06:39.24 | Azar | GuHHH: lol why do you need the latest kernel? |
| 06:39.37 | Guerin | GuHHH: you probably need to build it with the proper drivers in, or use an initrd or such |
| 06:39.38 | purplepenguins | and there isn't a need for the latest kernel unless you have bleeding-edge hardware |
| 06:39.47 | GuHHH | i used initrd |
| 06:40.01 | Guerin | GuHHH: then you need to build the proper modules |
| 06:40.32 | Amarande | GuHHH: also |
| 06:40.41 | Amarande | this SHOULD go without saying, but people botch their kernels all the time doing this |
| 06:40.56 | Amarande | make sure your root filesystem is compiled in the kernel, not as a module :) |
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| 06:41.25 | purplepenguins | Yeah, that's one I used to screw up on |
| 06:42.02 | Amarande | and that the appropriate sort of device driver (IDE, SATA etc.) is compiled into the kernel, too |
| 06:42.38 | purplepenguins | The default Debian kernels support a kitchen sink of drivers |
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| 06:42.39 | valdyn | !custom kernel |
| 06:42.39 | dpkg | read http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Why and read "Debian" when it has "OpenBSD", or see <debian kernel image> |
| 06:42.47 | GuHHH | ok, thanks... let it be |
| 06:43.57 | purplepenguins | I have built custom kernels before, it's not hard but it's more trouble than it's worth |
| 06:44.10 | Azar | hmm I cannot understand this: I never heard of, or seen a "default Debian editor" now I am reading that Etch comes with nano "by default" ? I never seen nano popping , I installed vim and just usingit what is this "default" ? |
| 06:44.35 | GuHHH | well, i did it many times before... but im not used with kernel panic |
| 06:44.47 | valdyn | Azar: nano would be there if you had not installed vim |
| 06:44.56 | GuHHH | it never happened :( |
| 06:44.58 | valdyn | Azar: and would be pointed at by 'editor' |
| 06:44.59 | Azar | GuHHH: that is what Debian would call "reality check" :) |
| 06:45.04 | Guerin | Azar: sensible-editor |
| 06:45.05 | niru | how to change font color in debian |
| 06:45.12 | niru | font color on the desktop |
| 06:45.13 | Guerin | niru: depends |
| 06:45.18 | Azar | ah, I see.... thanks guys |
| 06:46.00 | Azar | niru: in "debian" you configure bash, on desktop , I assume you configure the desktop :) |
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| 06:47.06 | Amarande | Azar: I've been too used to vim as vi |
| 06:47.22 | Azar | good night honorables :) |
| 06:47.24 | Amarande | To the point where I kept wondering why vi kept munging my text files when I did things I took for granted in vim |
| 06:47.24 | GuHHH | Azar: why it only happens with debian? |
| 06:47.41 | GuHHH | Amarande: because vi sucks |
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| 06:47.52 | GuHHH | just use vim... hehe |
| 06:47.55 | Azar | GuHHH: because Debian is special and will not tolerate people treat it like would be a mswindows system |
| 06:48.08 | bony | is there a text based ncurses email client other than mutt and alpine? i could fine a proper doc that explains of how to configure mutt or alpine to receive mails. it has doc's about how to send mails |
| 06:48.10 | Amarande | Well, I pretty much assumed I had vim, since every system I'd used up till then had had vim as vi |
| 06:48.36 | purplepenguins | there are some good mutt tutorials online |
| 06:48.36 | Azar | GuHHH: with Debian you play by the rules of Debian |
| 06:48.56 | purplepenguins | Which rule of debian is this? |
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| 06:49.07 | Guerin | Azar: put the bong down and step away |
| 06:49.25 | Azar | purplepenguins: either you compile the kernel the Debian way or it will simply not work |
| 06:49.40 | Guerin | bony: alpine i found unusable |
| 06:49.41 | jelly-home | Azar: WHAT? no. |
| 06:49.43 | purplepenguins | Really? |
| 06:49.47 | Azar | hehe, lucky you go fishing huh.... been more than a year I havent got the time |
| 06:50.15 | Gathond | Azar: funny, it worked for me just fine for 7+ years |
| 06:50.19 | Azar | jelly-home: well once I tried to compile the nvidia driver from the nvidia site and guess it did not work? |
| 06:50.20 | Guerin | bony: mutt is quite easy: try mutt -f imaps://user@host/INBOX |
| 06:50.27 | jelly-home | purplepenguins: he's smoking something, installing with make install works fine |
| 06:50.31 | Guerin | bony: or imap:// or whatever |
| 06:50.42 | bony | Guerin, i read and heard that mutt is a powerful text based email client but i could configure it to receive mails from gamil or any pop3 mail servers |
| 06:50.53 | purplepenguins | I can't think of a reason why it wouldn't work, unless Debian significantly modified their kernel sources |
| 06:50.54 | Guerin | wtf is gamil? |
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| 06:51.01 | bony | thought i was successful in sending mails from mutt |
| 06:51.03 | GuHHH | Azar: i do have to compile SCSI drivers as built-in? |
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| 06:51.07 | purplepenguins | gamil == gmail? |
| 06:51.13 | Guerin | oh, of course |
| 06:51.22 | bony | Guerin, sorry its gmail |
| 06:51.22 | Jahooty | who here knows how to create a user account at the command line? |
| 06:51.26 | bony | not gamil |
| 06:51.29 | Guerin | google up some peoples' .muttrc files |
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| 06:51.37 | jelly-home | Azar: that was probably binary blob driver's fault, not the kernel's |
| 06:51.43 | purplepenguins | `useradd blah` will work |
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| 06:52.11 | Azar | jelly-home: I vaguely remember something related to the gcc version not being the same one with the one I compiled the kernel... |
| 06:52.21 | iKernel | lol |
| 06:52.26 | Jahooty | ok....hmm crap |
| 06:52.32 | purplepenguins | yeah, you have to watch out with GCC versions though |
| 06:52.33 | iKernel | so download and compile and install older gcc version |
| 06:52.35 | Jahooty | one second |
| 06:52.36 | iKernel | download from gnu |
| 06:52.40 | Guerin | Azar: that's a PEBCAK error |
| 06:52.45 | Guerin | no |
| 06:52.47 | bony | Guerin, what is imaps? |
| 06:52.48 | Guerin | download from debian |
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| 06:53.11 | Guerin | bony: imap = internet mail access protocol; s = secure (encrypted) |
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| 06:53.37 | bony | Guerin, can i think of it as imap==pop3? |
| 06:53.46 | bony | Guerin, functioning of it |
| 06:53.50 | GuHHH | Azar: is it normal to happens a kernel panic even when using a .config of a fresh install? |
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| 06:53.59 | Azar | you know, if I would love compiling things, Id go maybe with gentoo |
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| 06:54.02 | scx | bony: imap alike to pop3 |
| 06:54.03 | jelly-home | bony: pretty much yes, imap has more features |
| 06:54.05 | Guerin | bony: no, because pop3 is a different protocol. You can use mutt -f pop3:// or maybe pop:// |
| 06:54.15 | Azar | people spend their lives compiling at each upgrade |
| 06:54.16 | scx | bony: imap is not the same at all |
| 06:54.22 | Guerin | imap and pop3 are *really* fucking different |
| 06:54.39 | Amarande | Azar: or freebsd? :) |
| 06:54.43 | scx | bony: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMAP |
| 06:54.48 | waqjan | how come there's so many pop3 interfaces to popular webmails but no imap ones? |
| 06:54.55 | jelly-home | Guerin: coming from the point of a plain user, not really |
| 06:54.57 | bony | ok so can i use imap and get mails from my gmail account? |
| 06:55.05 | Azar | Guerin: if you use aptitude install linux-image-x.x.x-blabla... no more kernel panic |
| 06:55.07 | scx | waqjan: Well Kmail does IMAP :) |
| 06:55.08 | bony | scx, thanks |
| 06:55.09 | Amarande | jelly-home, actually, quite different. |
| 06:55.13 | scx | waqjan: thunderbird too |
| 06:55.13 | Guerin | pop = post office protocol. to extend the metaphor, pop is like a mailbox; imap is like a mailbox with a filing cabinet inside |
| 06:55.24 | jelly-home | Amarande: I _know_. |
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| 06:55.46 | waqjan | I was talking about something like ypops and freepops |
| 06:55.51 | Jahooty | thanks for the help |
| 06:55.52 | scx | bony: nope, as far as I know gmail uses pop only |
| 06:56.06 | bony | oho |
| 06:56.10 | Amarande | bah |
| 06:56.14 | Jahooty | actual answers on freenode...i knew there was a reason to switch from suse |
| 06:56.15 | Guerin | scx: if they opened it up to imap they'd never sell any ad space on it |
| 06:56.22 | Amarande | imap > pop3 :( |
| 06:56.53 | scx | Guerin: -.o |
| 06:56.54 | Amarande | Jahooty, admitting to using SuSE is like admitting to having bought an N-Gage |
| 06:56.57 | GuHHH | Azar: lol... i dont love it... i just need to learn it :( |
| 06:57.05 | Amarande | Welcome to Debian, by the way :) |
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| 06:57.43 | scx | Amarande: is that bad ? |
| 06:57.47 | Amarande | scx: yeah |
| 06:57.50 | scx | Amarande: No! |
| 06:57.59 | Amarande | the N-Gage was this old attempt by Nokia to combine a cell phone and handheld game console in one unit |
| 06:58.02 | Jahooty | i was speaking hypothetically |
| 06:58.05 | Azar | GuHHH: ok, here is some help: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html#INTRO-KERNEL-PKG |
| 06:58.06 | scx | Amarande: It's a shame to use Ubuntu tho |
| 06:58.06 | Amarande | it never really took off. :) |
| 06:58.11 | Jahooty | *cough cough* |
| 06:58.22 | Azar | hehe now I know why I can't see Amarande |
| 06:59.13 | waqjan | how come no one's ever made something like ypops or freepops but with imap? |
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| 07:00.18 | Guerin | waqjan: wtf is ypops and freepops? |
| 07:00.43 | Azar | the only thing I ever made, waqjan were audioscopes and gradtables... but nobody needs them |
| 07:01.08 | Azar | lollypops are cool |
| 07:01.09 | GuHHH | Azar: thanks |
| 07:01.45 | waqjan | ypops lets you use any pop-enabled mail client to download email from a yahoo account |
| 07:01.50 | Azar | GuHHH: ok have fun |
| 07:02.04 | waqjan | freepops does that for a number of webmail services |
| 07:02.16 | Azar | get viruses via a 3rd party email straight into your box |
| 07:02.30 | Azar | sorry... I think I am tired and babble |
| 07:02.33 | Azar | good night |
| 07:02.36 | Amarande | anyway, time for me to head out to bed |
| 07:02.37 | Guerin | waqjan: i guess it's because very few free mail services offer imap |
| 07:02.39 | Amarande | night folks |
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| 07:03.05 | waqjan | most don't offer pop either |
| 07:03.29 | scx | it's just that IMAP is not very often used that way |
| 07:03.37 | Guerin | waqjan: but pop is a very simple protocol - there's only one box. It's got mail in it. Imap ain't that way. |
| 07:03.46 | waqjan | oh ok |
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| 07:04.03 | scx | IMAP is usually used 'como Dios manda' (not trough webmail) |
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| 07:04.44 | Guerin | for instance, I have INBOX, INBOX.{Sent,Drafts,Spam,Archives{several subfolders},etc} |
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| 07:05.02 | waqjan | do you know any good imap providers? |
| 07:05.13 | scx | me |
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| 07:05.19 | Guerin | waqjan: nope. I run my own. |
| 07:05.25 | scx | but there are no free acounts btm |
| 07:05.45 | scx | waqjan: $500 mnth |
| 07:05.55 | scx | waqjan: Are you interested? |
| 07:05.58 | waqjan | no |
| 07:06.33 | scx | :) |
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| 07:25.12 | jeff_ | I'm about to install etch.. what's the conventional wisdom as far as breaking up the fs into multiple partitions? |
| 07:25.37 | jeff_ | Obviously /home should be on its own partition, but what about /usr and /var? |
| 07:26.20 | beoba | you probably dont need /usr or /var on their own partitions unless you're running a server where users can dump large amounts of data into one of those directories or something |
| 07:26.48 | scx | jeff_: /home doesn't 'have to' be separeted |
| 07:27.03 | jeff_ | scx: no it doesn't.. but seems like a good idea to me. |
| 07:27.52 | jeff_ | the last time I did an install I made partitions for /usr and /var.. /var is 50% full while /usr is only 2% full. |
| 07:28.03 | scx | jeff_: sometimes maybe, I don't I only split /boot |
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| 07:28.39 | scx | jeff_: But I guess you keep all your files under /home so it might be fine |
| 07:28.44 | jeff_ | scx: well, in this case my /home is on another disk.. so I don't see a point in changing it. |
| 07:29.00 | jelly-home | jeff_: is it a multiuser machine? |
| 07:29.10 | jelly-home | or a server? |
| 07:29.14 | jeff_ | what's the purpose of putting /boot on its own partition? |
| 07:29.24 | jeff_ | jelly: server |
| 07:29.33 | scx | jeff_: backup and safety |
| 07:29.53 | scx | jeff_: and some oscure stuff with suspend to ram |
| 07:30.11 | beoba | i like having /home separate, just because i can kill the whole system and still keep my files around |
| 07:30.19 | jelly-home | jeff_: you might like separate /var so that filling it up doesn't stop the services that eg. use /tmp |
| 07:30.42 | jelly-home | as for /boot, it's nice whne having multiple Linux installations. |
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| 07:30.59 | jeff_ | good idea jelly.. obviously looking at my current usage /var is the one that gets filled up easiest.. |
| 07:31.05 | beoba | /boot is useful if you're using a weird filesystem for / |
| 07:31.26 | beoba | ex: does grub like jfs yet? |
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| 07:31.52 | scx | beoba: Does anybody like jfs yet? |
| 07:31.57 | sobersabre | hi. Is there any major disadvantage in using apt-proxy vs. to setup a mirror ? |
| 07:31.57 | beoba | i do |
| 07:33.16 | scx | are you serious? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems |
| 07:33.16 | jeff_ | 2x ram the amount of swap I should make? |
| 07:33.25 | jeff_ | though, not even sure how much ram this machine has. haha |
| 07:33.26 | dimir | Moin! |
| 07:33.33 | beoba | wait, are you seriously attempting to lecture me on my choice in filesystems? |
| 07:33.50 | scx | jeff_: free |
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| 07:34.16 | scx | beoba: ok, you are right, |
| 07:34.25 | jeff_ | scx: looks like 256M |
| 07:34.28 | scx | beoba: Your choice, my choice |
| 07:34.50 | sobersabre | valdyn: eventually, i've bought intel965 based motherboard, and not an hp storage server. |
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| 07:35.02 | sobersabre | 10k $ vs. 1.5k $ |
| 07:35.05 | beoba | that said, what does, say, ext3 have over jfs? :) |
| 07:35.27 | scx | beoba: eh... I don't like ext3 either :p |
| 07:35.37 | sobersabre | valdyn: and I think I can get to a very similar throughput. |
| 07:35.49 | jeff_ | alright, time to reboot and install. Thanks for the info. |
| 07:35.55 | sobersabre | difference is the service and warranty level, of course. |
| 07:36.03 | scx | beoba: I prefer FS made by psicopatic programmers |
| 07:36.43 | sobersabre | scx: is jfs a fruit of ibm's work ? |
| 07:37.08 | beoba | yeah, but it has higher cpu usage (which was fairly important to me since i was setting up a fileserver on a 600mhz p3) |
| 07:37.09 | scx | yep |
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| 07:37.28 | sobersabre | scx: are you sure 'psychopath' and 'IBM' mix ? |
| 07:37.39 | scx | well, if loosing information doesn't care... |
| 07:37.39 | jelly-home | beoba: (ext3) having been tested with millions of users? |
| 07:37.50 | jelly-home | I like my information loose. |
| 07:37.53 | scx | sobersabre: I mean ReiserFS |
| 07:37.57 | beoba | yeah, that and better maintenance utils |
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| 07:37.59 | kenji2 | hi friends, I wanna build a photo gallery in a cd, for this I try to use a vcd format to show slice photos, I tryed tovid and dvdstyler but this apps can't make a photo gallery in vcd format, I can do it with nero but I wanna use open source can some one help me please? |
| 07:38.09 | beoba | (something else where ext3 > jfs) |
| 07:38.13 | sobersabre | scx: do you know mr. reiser ? |
| 07:38.37 | scx | m... |
| 07:38.56 | scx | sobersabre: I like ReiserFS, yes |
| 07:38.59 | jelly-home | sobersabre: psychos can write damn good code... |
| 07:39.03 | scx | XFS too |
| 07:39.24 | sobersabre | jelly-home: let's put it this way: ONLY psychos can do a big project, like filesystem work. |
| 07:39.30 | jelly-home | or they can write qmail :-) |
| 07:39.31 | sobersabre | Q. is... at what price. |
| 07:39.42 | sobersabre | jelly-home: I agree :) |
| 07:39.45 | scx | :) |
| 07:40.16 | Vasistha | kenji2: hmm. it's a pretty media-heavy question for #debian ... and I'm not sure where to refer you, either. www.linuxquestions.org comes to mind. |
| 07:40.30 | scx | I conclude therefore that jelly-home is either a psycho or a pessimal programmer |
| 07:40.35 | kenji2 | well Im on debian xD |
| 07:40.48 | jelly-home | scx: you'd be right, I'm mainly a sysadmin. |
| 07:40.59 | sobersabre | scx: hmm... why ? |
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| 07:42.46 | Vasistha | kenji2: yeah, I was assuming so. People sometimes get help with media questions in here, but it's hit-or-miss. We often refer people to #mplayer but you're not doing anything with video ... or ... actually, I guess you kind of are. You know, the people in #mplayer might be able to recommend an appropriate place to inquire, if they can't help you themselves. |
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| 07:44.02 | kenji2 | mmm ok xD |
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| 07:44.40 | sabayonlive-1296 | Hola |
| 07:44.44 | beoba | i think we will now fight with knives |
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| 07:45.02 | Avochelm | join #ubuntu |
| 07:45.08 | Avochelm | hahaha oops |
| 07:45.33 | sabayonlive-1296 | Al habla español? |
| 07:45.39 | Vasistha | !es |
| 07:45.40 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 07:45.40 | sabayonlive-1296 | alguien... ¬¬' |
| 07:47.12 | scx | sabayonlive-1296: Ya te dije: #ubuntu-es |
| 07:47.19 | scx | sabayonlive-1296: Not here |
| 07:47.50 | Avochelm | sabayonlive-1296, #debian-es ? |
| 07:48.06 | scx | Avochelm: he has a doubt about Ubuntu |
| 07:48.22 | Avochelm | lalala |
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| 07:49.02 | scx | !forget es |
| 07:49.02 | dpkg | scx: cannot alter locked factoids |
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| 07:49.36 | scx | mmm |
| 07:50.32 | Vasistha | scx: for future reference, with non-locked factoids, dpkg can be reprogrammed without 'forget', like this: dpkg: no, es is ... |
| 07:50.37 | scx | It should be: !remember es is <reply>Este canal es solo en ingles, porfavor usa: /join #debian-es |
| 07:51.08 | PDET | hello everyone1 |
| 07:51.22 | scx | no need either to repeat the factoid in english |
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| 07:51.36 | PDET | who want to learn chinese! |
| 07:51.44 | Vasistha | scx: well, it's nice to have the factoid in english, for those of us who can't read the spanish -- then we know what the factoid is, and how to use it |
| 07:51.50 | GuHHH | i! |
| 07:51.51 | beoba | PDET: 表æœÂ製作画僠|
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| 07:52.12 | Vasistha | PDET: I'm sure some people in this channel would like to, but not in this channel! |
| 07:52.24 | Avochelm | who wants to learn gobbledeegook? |
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| 07:53.02 | PDET | what can i do here! |
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| 07:54.53 | Vasistha | PDET: ask for help with debian, or help others with debian. A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here ;) |
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| 07:55.32 | scx | Now that's a polite response! |
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| 07:55.54 | scx | instead of: 'This is Debian, take it off' |
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| 07:56.35 | PDET | what is debian? |
| 07:56.46 | Vasistha | Avochelm: 'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves / Did gyre and gimble in the wabe: / All mimsy were the borogoves, And the mome raths outgrabe. // "Beware the Jabberwock, my son! / The jaws that bite, the claws that catch! / Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun / The frumious Bandersnatch!" |
| 07:57.29 | Vasistha | !d-i PDET |
| 07:57.30 | dpkg | PDET, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 07:58.16 | scx | !remember offtopic is <reply>A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. please join #debian-offtopic |
| 07:58.16 | dpkg | How can i forget about scx ? That person is the greatest <fill in whatever is appropriate> in the whole wide world ! |
| 07:58.26 | scx | ? |
| 07:58.46 | Vasistha | that was kind of weird |
| 07:58.52 | simonrvn | that's not how you do a factoid |
| 07:58.59 | Vasistha | scx: don't use 'remember' |
| 07:59.00 | scx | anyways it's done |
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| 07:59.22 | scx | depends |
| 07:59.28 | Vasistha | heh, fancy that, it worked! |
| 07:59.30 | simonrvn | !offtopic |
| 07:59.30 | dpkg | A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. please join #debian-offtopic |
| 07:59.32 | bony | how to enable flags and install a package for example i want to install mutt with -enable-pop and -with-ssl flags? |
| 07:59.34 | scx | some bots can use it |
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| 08:00.21 | simonrvn | !factinfo offtopic |
| 08:00.22 | dpkg | offtopic -- created by scx <n=Devil@unaffiliated/scx> 1m 45s ago; it has been requested 2 times, last by simonrvn, 51s ago. |
| 08:00.38 | simonrvn | hm, it worked. must be a bug :P |
| 08:00.55 | bony | are they enabled by default? |
| 08:01.02 | Vasistha | scx: yeah, I've learned in at least one other channel that the bot does not work the same way at all :) I guess dpkg here is flexible and has been programmed to receive factoids in different formats |
| 08:01.16 | simonrvn | bony: see the package source |
| 08:01.28 | simonrvn | and which flags are you talking about? |
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| 08:01.48 | simonrvn | bony: is isn't gentoo. #gentoo is that >> way |
| 08:01.49 | scx | Vasistha: Actually dpkg is the best bot I've seen this far |
| 08:01.54 | Vasistha | bony: I don't know, but I'm going to guess that the debian mutt maintainers would probably enable pop and ssl by default |
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| 08:02.32 | simonrvn | (BTW, they are, FYI) |
| 08:02.32 | Vasistha | scx: heh, and I'm gonna guess that 'thus far' for you probably entails more experience than it does for me! :) |
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| 08:02.57 | bony | simonrvn, -enable-pop and -with-ssl these are two flags that when enabled while installing will give mutt pop and ssl properties. yes this is gentoo way but i was reading mutt doc's and in that they have said this point |
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| 08:03.33 | simonrvn | bony: yes, i know no need to get all paternalistic ;p |
| 08:03.34 | bony | Vasistha, even i expect the same just to conform if there is a way to install a package with enabling or disabling an option for that package |
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| 08:03.59 | simonrvn | bony: no |
| 08:04.24 | simonrvn | .debs don't work that way |
| 08:04.26 | Vasistha | bony: well, if you're unhappy with the options included in debian binaries, you can always apt-get source, and roll your own |
| 08:04.44 | simonrvn | .:04:02:10:. < simonrvn> (BTW, they are, FYI) |
| 08:05.08 | Vasistha | what an interesting date format |
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| 08:05.22 | bony | Vasistha, yeah but won't it install two app's one from binary and one of source? |
| 08:05.24 | Kumbi | hi can anyone help me? |
| 08:05.27 | Kumbi | apt-get update fails |
| 08:05.30 | simonrvn | bony: no |
| 08:05.31 | bony | or will i get only one that is through source |
| 08:05.40 | JosefAssad | Vasistha: I hope that isn't the date, or simonrvn is almost 3 years ahead of us |
| 08:05.50 | simonrvn | that's just the time |
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| 08:06.06 | Vasistha | Kumbi: pastebin the entire output from the failure -- from the 'apt-get update' command you used, through to the next command prompt |
| 08:06.12 | Kumbi | okay |
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| 08:06.51 | Kumbi | http://pastebin.ca/515558 |
| 08:06.54 | Kumbi | there Vasistha |
| 08:07.08 | Vasistha | JosefAssad: hehe. where have you been, Rip van Winkle? Haven't you been enjoying 2010? |
| 08:07.24 | Kumbi | what? he's a time traveler? |
| 08:07.36 | JosefAssad | Vasistha: behave and I'll share the 2.7.0 source with you :p |
| 08:07.48 | simonrvn | yeh, from 5 minutes ago :P |
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| 08:07.57 | Kumbi | look at that |
| 08:08.01 | Kumbi | it says cant find some crap |
| 08:08.06 | Kumbi | this is a new install |
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| 08:08.42 | scx | Kumbi: I havn't seen the crap pacjage |
| 08:08.53 | simonrvn | scx: hehe |
| 08:08.56 | Kumbi | then see it |
| 08:09.05 | scx | I se you |
| 08:09.17 | Kumbi | lo |
| 08:09.23 | scx | what pkg is faulting? |
| 08:09.24 | simonrvn | JosefAssad: i'd rather see the 2.8.20 source ;) |
| 08:09.33 | Kumbi | it cant update ! |
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| 08:09.38 | Kumbi | i pastebinned it |
| 08:09.40 | Vasistha | scx: did you see his pastebin? |
| 08:09.53 | scx | obviously not |
| 08:10.01 | tictac | ive installed etch with encrypted / and /home partitions and /boot is not encrypted. i tried recompiling a kernel however i cant get it to boot |
| 08:10.04 | JosefAssad | simonrvn: if you're waiting for reiser to get merged, you'll have to wait for Titor to return. |
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| 08:10.21 | Vasistha | tictac: did you compile an initrd in there? |
| 08:10.36 | Kumbi | guys you have no clue? |
| 08:10.42 | Kumbi | just my luck, my 1st debian install |
| 08:10.46 | simonrvn | nope, not interested in reiserfs |
| 08:10.56 | tictac | Vasistha: thats exactly what i forgot. thanks :P |
| 08:11.01 | Kumbi | i dunno what the debian installer formatted my partition with |
| 08:11.04 | Kumbi | i think its ext3 |
| 08:11.13 | Vasistha | Kumbi: I don't, but someone else might. give it a little patience, a little time... |
| 08:11.19 | simonrvn | mount should tell you |
| 08:11.21 | Kumbi | yup |
| 08:11.21 | scx | Kumbi: use other server? |
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| 08:11.27 | Kumbi | how scx |
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| 08:11.37 | scx | !sources |
| 08:11.37 | dpkg | methinks sources is /etc/apt/sources.list is the file which stores a list of repositories that apt-get/aptitude use for downloading packags. "man sources.list" for a description of its format. If you are using sarge/stable you can use apt-setup to alter this file, also ask me about <mirrors>, <apt-setup>, <apt-spy> |
| 08:11.46 | scx | mmm |
| 08:12.01 | scx | search sources |
| 08:12.01 | Kumbi | tell me what to type @ command line |
| 08:12.15 | Vasistha | I'm just wondering what's up with that line 11. E: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_etch_updates_main_source_Sources.IndexDiff - open (2 No such file or directory) |
| 08:12.22 | simonrvn | Kumbi: looks like some weird error during the pdiff get |
| 08:12.40 | scx | Kumbi: open your /etc/sources.list |
| 08:12.42 | Vasistha | I mean, he's only trying to update with the netinst ISO and security.debian.org sources |
| 08:12.50 | scx | Kumbi: then look into: http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 08:12.58 | scx | Kumbi: and add any source there |
| 08:12.58 | Kumbi | empty |
| 08:13.03 | Kumbi | ok |
| 08:13.05 | scx | that's why |
| 08:13.13 | simonrvn | Kumbi: you're not going to get the full set of packages with just the netinst and security |
| 08:13.23 | eat_life | why isn't eaccelerator in the debian repository? i mean it's license is free |
| 08:13.32 | Kumbi | what do i type in that file |
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| 08:13.38 | simonrvn | you need a full mirror for your arch too |
| 08:14.02 | scx | Kumbi: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-basico.en.html |
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| 08:14.29 | simonrvn | deb http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 08:14.34 | simonrvn | deb-src http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
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| 08:14.57 | simonrvn | one of mine, modified for etch ;) |
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| 08:15.17 | scx | simonrvn: Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish; and you have fed him for a lifetime |
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| 08:15.32 | Kumbi | same error |
| 08:15.35 | Kumbi | the .IndexDiff |
| 08:15.37 | Vasistha | scx: wait a sec, you told Kumbi to look at /etc/sources.list instead of /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 08:15.49 | scx | right sorry |
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| 08:16.01 | scx | Kumbi: it's /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 08:16.02 | Guerin | mmm, fish |
| 08:16.05 | Vasistha | Kumbi: heh, go back a few steps, and open /etc/apt/sources.list ;) |
| 08:16.09 | Kumbi | ok two entries are already there |
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| 08:16.33 | scx | Kumbi: Anyways look the last link I sent you so you'll know how to add a mirror |
| 08:16.35 | Guerin | the last four nights we've eaten fish I caught in the sea a couple minutes from my house |
| 08:16.37 | Kumbi | simonrvn add your ones to the top? |
| 08:16.39 | simonrvn | might want to run aptitude update instead, afterwards |
| 08:16.48 | Vasistha | Guerin: nice! where do you live? |
| 08:16.58 | simonrvn | Guerin: yummay :) |
| 08:17.14 | scx | Guerin: Where I live I can only fish fishes with ther heads |
| 08:17.15 | simonrvn | Kumbi: wherever, doesn't matter |
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| 08:17.42 | MarcoPau | hey, my mouse happens to freeze in X and I have never been able to wake it up if not rebooting. Now I'm trying to modprobe -r usbmouse, but the shell idles... any other hints? Up till a few months ago I could just replug the usb and that worked. Now it has no effect |
| 08:17.44 | scx | Guerin: Useflu if you want a fish eye soup though |
| 08:17.47 | Guerin | Vasistha: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=wellington+nz&ie=UTF8&ll=-41.345347,174.759275&spn=0.005147,0.005482&t=h&z=17&iwloc=addr&om=1 |
| 08:17.56 | Guerin | Vasistha: Robertson Street |
| 08:18.17 | Guerin | scx: that was last night ... though it was heads and bones, not just eyes |
| 08:18.22 | simonrvn | scx, Kumbi: i gave one of mine because i thought it would be helpful to see how the binary and source package line are built (if that page doesn't cover it) |
| 08:18.24 | Vasistha | mmm, new zealand, huh? I've got a friend in Australia who's buggin' me to visit her sometime. |
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| 08:19.31 | Kumbi | well it needs the stupid file it can't find |
| 08:19.32 | sobersabre | wierd stuff happens with KVMs... |
| 08:19.46 | Kumbi | the apt/lists directory doesnt have the file |
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| 08:20.18 | scx | Kumbi: run: locate sources.list |
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| 08:20.34 | Kumbi | root@maplestory /var/lib/apt/lists # locate sources.list |
| 08:20.35 | Kumbi | locate: /var/cache/locate/locatedb: No such file or directory |
| 08:21.02 | scx | o.O |
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| 08:21.17 | scx | are you in the ight machine? |
| 08:21.19 | Vasistha | scx: I don't think locatedb is part of a base install, though I may be wrong |
| 08:21.21 | scx | err: right |
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| 08:21.34 | scx | Vasistha: oh... |
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| 08:21.58 | scx | Kumbi: ok, touch /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 08:22.15 | Kumbi | done |
| 08:22.48 | scx | now edit it according to the instructions |
| 08:23.04 | scx | Kumbi: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-basico.en.html |
| 08:23.06 | qiyong | should one choose postfix-cdb or postfix-mysql? |
| 08:23.12 | Kumbi | edit? it drops me back to the command prompt |
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| 08:23.25 | scx | qiyong: depends on what you want to use |
| 08:23.49 | scx | Kumbi: you need to use a text editor like emacs |
| 08:24.02 | qiyong | scx, is postfix-cdb interacts well with other web interface software as postfix-mysql? |
| 08:24.03 | peterrus | hey |
| 08:24.19 | scx | qiyong: I hate MySQL so I use PostgreSQL and there's no need to insstall either one |
| 08:24.28 | qiyong | scx, what about the postfix package, and etc |
| 08:24.38 | peterrus | I am making a debian package and I need a md5sums file to put in my package, how can I do that so that every file will be md5summed recursively |
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| 08:25.06 | Vasistha | Guerin: holy moly ... that resolution is almost scary. every time I look at those satellite close-ups, it's kind of freaky how you can see people's houses and stuff. It's kind of neat, though, starting from a spot like that and then slowly zooming out to the full continental view |
| 08:25.15 | scx | peterrus: #bash |
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| 08:25.32 | Vasistha | peterrus: man md5sum ? |
| 08:25.48 | peterrus | scx, you mean, I need to make a little script for that? I cant just do it with md5sum -R or something? |
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| 08:26.22 | scx | peterrus: not sure but the script would not be hard |
| 08:26.22 | peterrus | VaLouille, man says nothing about it |
| 08:26.22 | peterrus | okay |
| 08:26.23 | scx | just simple bash usage |
| 08:26.30 | peterrus | that will be no problem |
| 08:26.33 | peterrus | thanks |
| 08:26.58 | scx | like: md5sum ./* | grep .deb > md5sum.txt |
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| 08:28.05 | Vasistha | peterrus: are you sure dpkg-buildpackage doesn't take care of that for you? |
| 08:28.31 | scx | has to, |
| 08:28.41 | Vasistha | heh, I should hope so :) |
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| 08:29.08 | peterrus | Vasistha, ah, so there is a automatic way to make those packages :) |
| 08:29.13 | peterrus | I was doing it by hand |
| 08:29.16 | scx | sure |
| 08:29.20 | scx | !build |
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| 08:29.30 | scx | :( |
| 08:29.42 | Kumbi | yay it worked scx |
| 08:29.49 | Kumbi | i just commented out the security.debian.org lines |
| 08:30.01 | scx | Kumbi: Excellent |
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| 08:30.14 | Kumbi | woot for ignorant poking around :) |
| 08:30.22 | scx | !no cookie for you |
| 08:30.28 | Kumbi | Get:2 http://ftp.nl.debian.org etch/main Packages [5638kB] |
| 08:30.33 | Kumbi | this is considered working? ;) |
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| 08:31.03 | Vasistha | !tell peterrus about dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 08:31.27 | scx | !bot |
| 08:31.28 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
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| 08:32.00 | peterrus | Vasistha, can I also use that now that this package is not compilable (metasploit) |
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| 08:32.35 | Kumbi | hey can anyone point me to a list of apt mirrors again? |
| 08:32.38 | scx | dpkg: build is <reply>http://www.penguin-soft.com/penguin/man/1/dpkg-buildpackage.html |
| 08:32.38 | dpkg | scx: okay |
| 08:32.46 | rohan | has debian changed it's boot system in unstable ? or is it still using sysvinit ? |
| 08:32.47 | Vasistha | peterrus: I have no idea ;) I've never actually used it myself, I'm just a silly help droid -- I regurgitate what I see other people recommending! |
| 08:32.55 | scx | peterrus: look thet link |
| 08:33.00 | scx | err: that |
| 08:33.03 | peterrus | akay :) |
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| 08:33.13 | bobrunsen | Anyone good with exim router conditions? |
| 08:33.34 | Vasistha | !tell Kumbi about mirrors |
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| 08:33.48 | bobrunsen | {eq {${lookup{$local_part@$domain}lsearch{/email/spam}}}{1} } doesn't work when /email/spam contains user@address.com:1 |
| 08:34.02 | Kumbi | woot apt-get is working :) |
| 08:34.09 | Kumbi | now i can use irssi |
| 08:34.24 | Kumbi | irssi now works, thanks people |
| 08:34.36 | Vasistha | Kumbi: I would recommend getting security.debian.org back in there at some point, if possible :) |
| 08:34.36 | qiyong | scx, so bare postfix package doesn't support any map? |
| 08:34.53 | Kumbi | how? the list file is missing, and i dont know what to do about it |
| 08:35.05 | scx | qiyong: Postfix is coded V E R Y carefully |
| 08:35.07 | Kumbi | heck i don't even have X |
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| 08:35.33 | eat_life | we need an opcode optimizer for php in debian repo! |
| 08:35.41 | Kumbi | hmm my debian system has perl |
| 08:35.42 | Kumbi | weird |
| 08:35.51 | Gathond | Kumbi: not really |
| 08:35.55 | scx | qiyong: They incluse the barest necesary and they (he) even warn you against using extensions |
| 08:36.01 | Gathond | Kumbi: considering apt and dpkg is written in perl iirc |
| 08:36.15 | Vasistha | Kumbi: well, even the kernel gets security updates (although those should propagate to the main repos as well). Regarding perl, I think some of the debian package management stuff, or something else core to the distro, is written in perl |
| 08:36.26 | Kumbi | can i test it? |
| 08:36.32 | qiyong | scx, so usually one should try postfix-xxx instead of postfix? |
| 08:36.33 | Kumbi | i scp'ed a perl bot to my debian box |
| 08:36.43 | scx | qiyong: ? |
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| 08:36.53 | Vasistha | Kumbi: probably best to test in one of the bot testing channels |
| 08:37.15 | qiyong | scx, postfix-xxx refers to postfix-cdb postfix-mysql postfix-pgsql |
| 08:37.17 | scx | qiyong: unless you want o to put a webmail there's no need to install anything unless postix |
| 08:37.29 | artagnon | I just set up sound using alsaconf. What is the most elementary way to test it? mplayer seems to fail to play some mp3s now |
| 08:37.34 | Kumbi | hmm now to work on the security.debian.org problem |
| 08:37.48 | scx | qiyong: nono, those are extensions to postix, theose do NOT sustitute postfix at all |
| 08:37.56 | Talaturen | hi, how i enable mod_rewrite in apache2? |
| 08:38.07 | Gathond | qiyong: those are only needed if you want to use one of those DB formats to store some of your postfix configuration |
| 08:38.14 | scx | artagnon: play |
| 08:38.17 | Kumbi | the .nl is slow |
| 08:38.27 | scx | artagnon: but mp3 support is not there by default I think |
| 08:38.47 | GuHHH | ive got a kernel panic: mount: unknow filesystem type 'devfs'. umount: devfs: not mounted. pivot_root: no such file or directory. /sbin/init: 432: cannot open dev/console : no such file. kernel panic - not syncing: attempted to kill init |
| 08:38.49 | qiyong | Gathond, i want secure connection, imap, virtual user, which one suits me? |
| 08:38.51 | Gathond | qiyong: they are by no means a requirement to make it do its thing, I't can simply be more convenient to store large configurations in SQL databases for oter reasons |
| 08:38.52 | GuHHH | can someone help? |
| 08:38.53 | qiyong | scx, ^ |
| 08:38.55 | artagnon | scx: play? |
| 08:39.00 | Gathond | qiyong: any one, or neither |
| 08:39.04 | rohan | has debian changed it's boot system in unstable ? or is it still using sysvinit ? i am asking just because sidux mentions a "new revamped init system", and since sidux is 99% sid, i want to know if the same change has taken place in sid |
| 08:39.23 | artagnon | scx: about mp3 support, that's what I also thought |
| 08:39.32 | scx | artagnon: play myfile.ogg |
| 08:39.43 | Gathond | qiyong: personally I use postfix-pgsql (its just a addon to the postfix package) but that is just because I like having the virtual user stuff in postgresQL rather than static files |
| 08:39.50 | wols | GuHHH: install a different kernel and make sure initrd is installed too |
| 08:39.57 | wols | GuHHH: what debian versin exactly? |
| 08:40.04 | scx | artagnon: but you said mplayer... |
| 08:40.11 | GuHHH | wols: etch |
| 08:40.14 | artagnon | scx: which package is play part of? |
| 08:40.18 | GuHHH | wols: i used the initrd |
| 08:40.22 | artagnon | scx: I don't have any oggs :P |
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| 08:40.30 | wols | GuHHH: etch never used a devfs kernel iirc. what kernel version? |
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| 08:40.39 | scx | artagnon: run: locate /usr/lib/libmp3lame.so.0 |
| 08:40.43 | Gathond | qiyong: I'm pretty sure you can set up the virtual user stuff with the default package, as to imap that is not postfix's job, postfix is an MTA (smtp) not imap server |
| 08:40.48 | wols | rohan: no |
| 08:40.49 | scx | oops, wrong one |
| 08:40.56 | _Rubyxx | I am new to Debian and Linux...Is there a pre-installed Window Manager? ....I am not sure if I have one already or should download |
| 08:40.58 | Vasistha | rohan: seems as if I heard someone saying the other day that, in addition to the initng project, there was another project to change the init scripts to be done with C-compiled machine code, instead of bash scripts ... I dunno, personally, what's going on with sid, although you might check pdo, dunno if it'll be helpful |
| 08:41.07 | Vasistha | _Rubyxx: how did you install debian? |
| 08:41.21 | GuHHH | wols: 2.6.18-4-amd64, tried to compile: 2.6.21.3 |
| 08:41.25 | qiyong | Gathond, i need a web interface to manage the user, if it interacts with cdb, i don't care it's cdb or mysql |
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| 08:41.32 | scx | artagnon: it plays any file |
| 08:41.33 | cast | _Rubyxx: do you have a mouse and stuff to click on? then you prob have a wm. |
| 08:41.36 | wols | GuHHH: and which one is crashing? |
| 08:41.39 | qiyong | Gathond, cdb is better, as you can vim it |
| 08:41.45 | _Rubyxx | I used a DVD and was connected to the internet at the time |
| 08:41.50 | scx | artagnon: wav ogg flac mp3 (when there's suppor) |
| 08:41.52 | qiyong | Gathond, users are less than 500, so cdb should be ok |
| 08:41.54 | Gathond | qiyong: then select a web interface and let it decide the DB format |
| 08:41.57 | uyohm | How can I make a snapshot of packages & their preferences that I installed & transfer it to a clean debian install so I have the same system ? |
| 08:41.58 | rohan | Vasistha: there's no way to find the bootup init system in pdo iirc, since upstart exists in experimental |
| 08:42.15 | cast | uyohm: man dpkg, look for set-selections and get-sele.. |
| 08:42.18 | artagnon | scx: okay, one sec |
| 08:42.18 | wrodrigues | help |
| 08:42.26 | wrodrigues | ? |
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| 08:42.27 | Vasistha | _Rubyxx: do you happen to know which dvd you used? and do you recall if you selected to install a desktop? although ... actually, I don't remember exactlty what the option's called, but there should have been one. |
| 08:42.27 | qiyong | Gathond, all web interfaces support mysql i gues |
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| 08:42.44 | Gathond | qiyong: no idea, probably |
| 08:42.50 | wols | qiyong: web interfaces for what? |
| 08:42.53 | uyohm | cast : ok I'll check that , Thank you ! |
| 08:42.53 | _Rubyxx | cast: Yes I know I have xorg, but I have been reading about things like sawfish that I never knew about... |
| 08:43.00 | Kumbi | how do i get accelerated drivers for X? |
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| 08:43.03 | Kumbi | for debian |
| 08:43.04 | wols | no webmail package cares about the SMTP's user db |
| 08:43.07 | Vasistha | uyohm: you'll also want to back up /etc (and other important places if you're using a server...) |
| 08:43.11 | GuHHH | wols: only the last one... the other is the fresh install kernel |
| 08:43.18 | _Rubyxx | Vasistha: I have Debian Etch |
| 08:43.18 | Gathond | It would also seem to me as the best option, as I assume cdb will have a period where its out of sync while you are changing stuff |
| 08:43.20 | scx | Kumbi: depends on the GX card |
| 08:43.29 | Kumbi | ok, first thing, how do i get X |
| 08:43.31 | wols | GuHHH: reinstall your kernel. your compile probably borked the initrd |
| 08:43.32 | Kumbi | apt-get what? |
| 08:43.33 | uyohm | Vasistha : Ok , Thank you ! |
| 08:43.38 | artagnon | Kumbi: apt-get install xorg |
| 08:43.44 | Kumbi | how big is it? |
| 08:43.50 | ehc | I am trying to create a sym link with ln -s but when I "cd name_of_link" I am taken into a directory under the current not moved to the links location? |
| 08:43.57 | scx | Kumbi: apt-get install kaffeine |
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| 08:44.01 | cast | _Rubyxx: well xorg by its self doesn't give you much to click on |
| 08:44.04 | itsiktklm | need help with wirelss 'dhclient eth1' gives me 'DHCPDISCOVER on eth1 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 ' for ever....without connecting |
| 08:44.11 | artagnon | Kumbi: about 30 Mb |
| 08:44.12 | cast | _Rubyxx: you probably have gnome |
| 08:44.14 | Vasistha | ehc: it's a shell trick. try 'realpath .' |
| 08:44.14 | qiyong | wols, add virtual users |
| 08:44.23 | GuHHH | wols: i can boot my system with the older kernel, if its what you saying, hehe |
| 08:44.27 | wols | qiyong: what do you use to add them? |
| 08:44.32 | Kumbi | what's kaffeine |
| 08:44.32 | artagnon | Kumbi: don't take my word for it, see how large it is for yourself |
| 08:44.37 | _Rubyxx | Is Gnome a window manager? |
| 08:44.41 | Kumbi | yes |
| 08:44.42 | artagnon | Kumbi: It's a media player much like mplayer |
| 08:44.43 | wols | GuHHH: then what is the problem? |
| 08:44.48 | _Rubyxx | Yes I am using Gnome |
| 08:44.49 | scx | Kumbi: it'll install all KDE to install kaffeine which is a media player |
| 08:44.50 | wols | GuHHH: all you did was fsck up the compile |
| 08:44.58 | qiyong | wols, i don't have now |
| 08:44.58 | Vasistha | _Rubyxx: ah, alright, then you don't need another one :) |
| 08:45.03 | scx | not really |
| 08:45.04 | wols | !gnome |
| 08:45.05 | dpkg | rumour has it, gnome is a desktop environment - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, see #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org, or - to get gnome, ask about <install gnome>, or the human G-nome |
| 08:45.05 | Kumbi | i don't want kde |
| 08:45.07 | Kumbi | i want gnome |
| 08:45.10 | GuHHH | wols: the later kernel i compiled that i cant boot :( |
| 08:45.12 | scx | Gnome uses Metacity as WM |
| 08:45.27 | scx | Kumbi: You'll have no help from me then |
| 08:45.29 | artagnon | Kumbi: apt-get install gnome then |
| 08:45.32 | wols | GuHHH: it's the kernel you compiled that can't boot due to a devfs orror: you. fuck.ed up. |
| 08:45.34 | GuHHH | itsiktklm: theres a command for wireless connections dhcp, i guess |
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| 08:45.35 | qiyong | Gathond, and i have to install Courier too? in order to use imap |
| 08:45.38 | fuzzy_logic | hi people |
| 08:45.43 | Kumbi | can i also get a graphical login? |
| 08:45.49 | Kumbi | like what RHEL has |
| 08:45.50 | artagnon | Kumbi: Yes |
| 08:45.53 | wols | !display manager |
| 08:45.54 | Gathond | qiyong: you have to install some imapd, be that courier-imap or something else |
| 08:45.58 | wols | !displaymanager |
| 08:46.08 | fuzzy_logic | what do you think is the best mail deamon that supports imap and works almost or maybe completely out of the box? |
| 08:46.10 | wols | Kumbi: yes. xdm, gdm, kdm or wdm |
| 08:46.12 | Vasistha | qiyong: well, there are several different imap tools, you are by no means obliged to use courier |
| 08:46.19 | wols | fuzzy_logic: none |
| 08:46.41 | fuzzy_logic | wols: wich is the easiest to learn then? |
| 08:46.48 | itsiktklm | GuHHH, i always use these commands to connect , but today for some reason it cannot find the DHCP server |
| 08:46.52 | wols | qiyong: you need an impa servre to do imap. your reasonable choi8ces are courier, dovecot and lastly cyrus31 |
| 08:46.54 | toicontento | fuzzy_logic, try dovecot |
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| 08:47.03 | ehc | Vasistha, So pwd doesn't show you the real path? And will apache follow a sym link? |
| 08:47.04 | wols | fuzzy_logic: exim4 or postfix. matter of choice |
| 08:47.14 | scx | qiyong: I use Cyrus for example |
| 08:47.16 | Kumbi | what's wdm? |
| 08:47.17 | wols | toicontento: that is no MTA |
| 08:47.24 | wols | !tell Kumbi about search |
| 08:47.31 | Vasistha | ehc: yeah, apache has been following symlinks for me ;) |
| 08:47.35 | toicontento | what't asking for an imap server ? |
| 08:47.39 | fuzzy_logic | wols: postfix is just for smtp right? |
| 08:47.44 | Kumbi | hehe sorry im a n00b in here |
| 08:47.45 | wols | fuzzy_logic: yes |
| 08:47.46 | Kumbi | ultra n00b |
| 08:47.46 | scx | !tell Kumbi about Google |
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| 08:47.49 | Kumbi | lol |
| 08:47.52 | Kumbi | i don't need to be told google |
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| 08:48.02 | Gathond | fuzzy_logic: yes, I usually use courier-imap for the rest, but that is only one of many |
| 08:48.09 | fuzzy_logic | wols: but i want to be able to get imap mail with it.. |
| 08:48.19 | qiyong | wols, is it sane to use imap only? no pop |
| 08:48.20 | wols | Kumbi: no matter. we still expect you to be able to read and do it wf we point you to the docs for your question |
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| 08:48.23 | itsiktklm | can anyone help me with my wireless - etch cant find it , even though it found it this morning! |
| 08:48.33 | fuzzy_logic | Gathond: i've tried it but found it pretty confusing.. are there other that are maybe easier? |
| 08:48.38 | wols | fuzzy_logic: imap server then as well. I just said what to use for that |
| 08:48.39 | whazilla | [10:23] <whazilla> hey |
| 08:48.39 | whazilla | [10:23] <whazilla> can someone guide me ? |
| 08:48.39 | whazilla | [10:23] <whazilla> i want for my debian (x86) |
| 08:48.39 | whazilla | [10:24] <whazilla> a twinview between monitor and remote display |
| 08:48.39 | whazilla | [10:24] <whazilla> export DISPLAY=ip:0.0 |
| 08:48.39 | whazilla | [10:24] <whazilla> but dont quite make it there :$ |
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| 08:49.04 | fuzzy_logic | wols: postfix doesn't do imap right? |
| 08:49.09 | Gathond | fuzzy_logic: no idea, I've only ever used courier-imap, and I like that |
| 08:49.13 | scx | no |
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| 08:49.25 | wols | fuzzy_logic: I just wrote something. are you actually reading? |
| 08:49.28 | whazilla | anybody twinview remote xorg.conf ? |
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| 08:49.45 | toicontento | fuzzy_logic, postfix as exim4 is an smpt server, for imap you need an imap server like dovecot, courier-imap, .... |
| 08:49.59 | scx | or cyrus |
| 08:50.05 | scx | :p |
| 08:50.13 | wols | scx: don't tell fresh users to use cyrus :) |
| 08:50.31 | fuzzy_logic | Gathond: can you then please explain to me how i can configure courier-imap to just do normal imap mail handling? |
| 08:50.33 | toicontento | fuzzy_logic, just apt-get install postfix dovecot , can't be easier |
| 08:50.35 | Vasistha | itsiktklm: do you mean, you can't find the card, or the card can't find the network, or...? |
| 08:50.42 | scx | well fresh users shouldn't care about servers tho |
| 08:50.50 | scx | just postfix, that's all |
| 08:50.59 | Kumbi | so after i get xorg i need to get gnome, right |
| 08:50.59 | scx | and ssh to check remotely |
| 08:51.00 | toicontento | i use dbmail, but i don't recomend it to newbies |
| 08:51.04 | Kumbi | after gnome i need to get gdm |
| 08:51.05 | Kumbi | eh? |
| 08:51.24 | wols | gdm is part of gnome. it's not named Gnome display manager for nothing... |
| 08:51.28 | Gathond | fuzzy_logic: install it, and point it to the location the emails is in (~/Maildir usually) one thing to watch out for is to ensure postfix uses Maildir, I think mbox might still be its default and courier only does Maildir |
| 08:51.39 | Vasistha | Kumbi: I'd actually recommend firing up the aptitude front-end. It can be a little awkward at first, but it truly wonderful once you learn it. Then you can install all at once. |
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| 08:52.18 | itsiktklm | Vasistha, sorry I ran iwconfig eth1 essid WEB and then dhclient eth1, but it cannot find the DHCP - it could this morning so i'm confused |
| 08:52.30 | fuzzy_logic | Gathond: i don't want to use smtp as my provider has blocked it.. so i guess i don't have to mess with it then? |
| 08:52.36 | Kumbi | Vasistha i invoked aptitude once |
| 08:52.45 | Kumbi | i didnt know how to quit and pulled the plug |
| 08:52.53 | scx | heh |
| 08:52.53 | wols | fuzzy_logic: then you don't have a mailserver |
| 08:53.06 | Vasistha | Kumbi: oh dear, that's really bad. just use 'q' |
| 08:53.11 | scx | fuzzy_logic: yes |
| 08:53.23 | fuzzy_logic | wols: ok.. then maybe i don't.. i just want imap.. no smtp |
| 08:53.27 | wols | fuzzy_logic: and you still need a way to get mail and send mail... |
| 08:53.28 | valdyn | fuzzy_logic: you need a local smtp server, not one connecting to the internet |
| 08:53.29 | Gathond | fuzzy_logic: you want imapd but not smtpd? then you would have to fecth mail through some other means, fetchmail or similiar from a providers pop/imap system |
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| 08:53.37 | itsiktklm | Vasistha, i can see WEB with iwlist eth1 scanning, but dhclient eth1 doesn't work |
| 08:53.40 | scx | fuzzy_logic: maybe not that one either |
| 08:53.45 | itsiktklm | WEB is my network |
| 08:53.45 | cafuego | fuzzy_logic: you may or may not want to run an smtp server and use it for outgoing; just use your provider as smarthost. |
| 08:53.46 | Vasistha | Kumbi: coming from someone who can find his way around irssi, I'm a little surprised... although, someone should really write a full-on aptitude tutorial. |
| 08:53.58 | wols | itsiktklm: is your wlan associated with the AP? |
| 08:54.04 | Kumbi | irssi? i just know how to connect to server, change nick |
| 08:54.09 | Kumbi | and join a single channel |
| 08:54.10 | Kumbi | that's all |
| 08:54.20 | fuzzy_logic | cafuego: exactly.. i just have a smtp server of my provider.. will that work you think? |
| 08:54.30 | Kumbi | what do you think? i'd be able to edit its configs? |
| 08:54.37 | Kumbi | when i get X and gnome im getting x-chat |
| 08:54.49 | itsiktklm | wols, mmm...newbie here, i think it is becuase i managed to to connect this morning |
| 08:54.58 | wols | Kumbi: help set |
| 08:55.15 | Kumbi | stupid 512k dsl |
| 08:55.17 | cafuego | fuzzy_logic: sure |
| 08:55.17 | wols | rather /help set or simply /set |
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| 08:55.37 | Vasistha | Kumbi: well, anyway, why don't you fire up aptitude again, and we'll guide you through it ... erm, are you irc'ing on the box right now, or from a second box? |
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| 08:55.44 | wols | fuzzy_logic: if you use it as a smarthost and get mails into the system via fetchmail, yes |
| 08:55.52 | Kumbi | im ircing in xchat from my mac |
| 08:55.54 | fuzzy_logic | Gathond: in what file do i configure courier-imap? |
| 08:55.59 | Kumbi | im connected to maplestory via ssh in terminal window |
| 08:56.01 | cafuego | fuzzy_logic: either postfix or exim will ask what sort of setup you want when you install them; simply ay you want to run with a smarthost and enter your ISPs mail server |
| 08:56.20 | wols | fuzzy_logic: /etc/courier I think. imapd.conf or such |
| 08:56.23 | itsiktklm | wols, i rebooted , repeated the same steps ,but now i get "DHCPDISCOVER on eth1 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 5", many of those .... |
| 08:56.25 | Gathond | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:56.45 | wols | itsiktklm: dhcp asks for the DHCP lease but isn't getting one |
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| 08:56.47 | Kumbi | oh yeah can i get frame buffer in debian? |
| 08:56.50 | fuzzy_logic | allright.. |
| 08:56.51 | qiyong | wols, courier has mta too, but mostly people use courier for imap |
| 08:56.55 | Vasistha | Kumbi: yeah, aptitude would be great to learn, and especially because you've got a fresh system -- right now is the best time to start using it. |
| 08:57.02 | Kumbi | pure textmode is a little too squeezy |
| 08:57.05 | wols | qiyong: he asked courier-imap, not the mta |
| 08:57.08 | WildPenguin | Hello, when using a TTY terminal with the Dvorak keymap, some punctuation characters when used in conjunction with modifier keys (for example 'Alt+>') have no effect. However, they function correctly when the Qwerty keymap is loaded. Any ideas? |
| 08:57.19 | fuzzy_logic | just 1 more question.. how do i login to ssh that listens to some other port? |
| 08:57.31 | wols | fuzzy_logic: man ssh |
| 08:57.32 | itsiktklm | wols, so what can i do? |
| 08:57.35 | Kumbi | heh speaking of it i shouldn't even be using this computer as a experimental linux boy |
| 08:57.36 | Kumbi | box* |
| 08:57.47 | fuzzy_logic | wols: oh ye tnx |
| 08:57.58 | qiyong | wols, seems courier-mta is less successful than courier-imap, is it? |
| 08:58.01 | Kumbi | this thing is big, weighs 35kg, has 4 big noisy fans that go WOOOO, and 3x18.2gb scsi disks |
| 08:58.09 | wols | qiyong: a lot less |
| 08:58.25 | itsiktklm | "No working leases in persistent database - sleeping." |
| 08:58.43 | Kumbi | hey if one day i decide to dedicate the 3 disks to linux, 1 disk for swap, 1 for / and the other for what? home? |
| 08:58.45 | qiyong | wols, courier is unsuccessful then |
| 08:58.52 | diskus | Kumbi: then I guess you shouldn't have any access to it too, if you don't know exactly what you are trying to do |
| 08:58.59 | _Rubyxx | Anyone know a good editor for writing in Javascript? I use Bluefish at the moment but am wondering if anyone knows anything better |
| 08:59.08 | wols | Kumbi: 18GB swap is a stupid idea |
| 08:59.13 | peterrus | _Rubyxx, try kate |
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| 08:59.53 | fuzzy_logic | wols: what i understood from the manual is that i have to do this: ssh -D 10.10.10.209:122.. but it doesnt work |
| 08:59.56 | Vasistha | Kumbi: you shouldn't need to dedicate much to swap. if you've got enough memory, hopefully you won't even need it at all. if allocating swap space, maybe do 1 GB, not 18 |
| 08:59.57 | Kumbi | right now it's 1 disk for windows, one with a non-booting gentoo and the last one for debian |
| 09:00.12 | wols | fuzzy_logic: you understand wrongly. ssh <host> -p >port> |
| 09:00.22 | fuzzy_logic | wols: ok thanks |
| 09:00.28 | Kumbi | this thing has 256meg memory only |
| 09:00.36 | Kumbi | i can't find ECC PC133 RAM |
| 09:00.49 | wols | Kumbi: like to be OT much? |
| 09:00.54 | Kumbi | what OT? |
| 09:00.55 | scx | fuzzy_logic: Example ssh -2 user@192.168.1.47 |
| 09:01.09 | fuzzy_logic | scx: yes i understand now.. thanks |
| 09:01.17 | scx | fuzzy_logic: use -2 always |
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| 09:01.29 | fuzzy_logic | scx: what is -2? |
| 09:01.33 | _Rubyxx | peterrus: ok |
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| 09:01.52 | scx | ssh version 2 (better encryption) |
| 09:01.52 | fuzzy_logic | scx: ok thanks |
| 09:01.54 | udos | why would mounting a vfat partition as 'rw' change all the DOS files attribute to read-only when later mounted in Windows? |
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| 09:02.14 | Vasistha | Kumbi: hmm. you might check memorysuppliers.com ... I've enjoyed doing business with them. Dunno if they have what you want, but it's worth checkin', anyway |
| 09:02.22 | udos | everything in that partition is later read-only! |
| 09:02.39 | Kumbi | this box was a retired win2k server from an office heh |
| 09:02.40 | udos | even with a clean shutdown-reboot |
| 09:02.45 | Coke | I'm starting firefox 2.0.0.3 (downloaded from the firefox site) and it claims libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 cannot be found even though it is found in /usr/lib. How do I make firefox understand I have it installed? |
| 09:02.47 | Kumbi | **** win2k server |
| 09:02.49 | scx | !tell ntfs to udos |
| 09:02.52 | Kumbi | go win2k3 server and debian |
| 09:03.03 | scx | !tell ntfs to udos |
| 09:03.13 | udos | it's not ntfs |
| 09:03.17 | udos | it's vfat |
| 09:03.22 | wols | scx: how does this help with with vfat again? |
| 09:03.22 | Kumbi | 32? |
| 09:03.23 | Vasistha | scx: and besides, it would be: !tell udos about ntfs |
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| 09:03.45 | Vasistha | udos: that's a weird problem ... are you using any mount options there? |
| 09:03.46 | scx | :* |
| 09:03.54 | wols | Kumbi: do you have debian related questions? |
| 09:04.05 | Kumbi | currently nope |
| 09:04.05 | udos | Vasistha: hold a sec |
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| 09:04.10 | Kumbi | still apt-getting xorg |
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| 09:04.37 | Kumbi | hey how do i tell debian not to treat BIOS time as UTC |
| 09:04.41 | wols | udos: I guess it's your umask |
| 09:04.46 | Kumbi | i need the clock to play nice with freakin' windows |
| 09:04.55 | jessen | Sorry to be off-topic, but debian is super sexy. I'm infinitely grateful to the devs. Well done. |
| 09:05.05 | Kumbi | im grateful to the peeps here so far |
| 09:05.07 | wols | !tell Kumbi about utc |
| 09:05.09 | Kumbi | they fixed the damn apt-get |
| 09:05.10 | Vasistha | Kumbi: man tzconfig |
| 09:05.10 | udos | Vasistha: yes "auto,user,rw,exec,umask=0222,users,gid=staff |
| 09:05.32 | Kumbi | my timezone is Asia/Singapore, UTC + 8 |
| 09:05.37 | Vasistha | udos: well, there's your problem -- umask=0222 is going to make everything read-only |
| 09:05.41 | Kumbi | i want to make it treat BIOS time as local time |
| 09:05.45 | udos | ah |
| 09:05.46 | wols | Kumbi: and your timezone is fine |
| 09:05.51 | wols | it's not tz that is the problem |
| 09:05.56 | udos | I want a umask that allows full access |
| 09:06.09 | udos | umask=0000? |
| 09:06.13 | StormBlade | how can i split a partition ?do you know any good partition managers? |
| 09:06.24 | Kumbi | uh oh wols |
| 09:06.27 | wols | !tell udos about vfatrw |
| 09:06.44 | wols | StormBlade: parted/gparted |
| 09:07.06 | peterrus | WoLF, as far as I know, parted can not sploit partitions |
| 09:07.09 | udos | thanks |
| 09:07.12 | peterrus | wols, |
| 09:07.17 | peterrus | ^ |
| 09:07.27 | Kumbi | hey guys i need a debian mirrorlist in a format to fit sources.list |
| 09:07.37 | wols | peterrus: how would you split one anyways? how do you decide which files go where? |
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| 09:07.45 | tralala | Kumbi, try apt-mirror |
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| 09:07.52 | wols | all you can ever do is resize it and make another partition where the old one was |
| 09:08.01 | Kumbi | -bash: apt-mirror: command not found |
| 09:08.01 | peterrus | I think that is what he means |
| 09:08.08 | Vasistha | Kumbi: we've already given you a mirror list a couple times... |
| 09:08.14 | Kumbi | oh yeah |
| 09:08.18 | Kumbi | i need to get apt-mirror |
| 09:08.20 | fuzzy_logic | Gathond: in my courier-imap config file i have the following line: MAILDIRPATH=Maildir, is this ok?? |
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| 09:08.37 | Kumbi | ok it says downloading 79 index files using 20 threads |
| 09:08.59 | Kumbi | i've made plenty of luser errors |
| 09:09.03 | Kumbi | heh heh heh |
| 09:09.06 | Gathond | yes, provided you keep the email its supposed to serve in ~/Maildir |
| 09:09.17 | wols | tralala: how does apt-mirror help him whne he wants entries for his sources.list? |
| 09:09.20 | fuzzy_logic | Gathond: ok cewl.. |
| 09:09.26 | wols | I doubt he wants to mirror main on his 18GB disk... |
| 09:09.28 | Gathond | fuzzy_logic: normally your smtpd would put it there, without one you will have to use some other means to actually get your mail there |
| 09:09.58 | wols | fuzzy_logic: run a MTA and fetchmail |
| 09:10.04 | Kumbi | mirrorlist for sources.list again please? i kinda missed it the couple last times |
| 09:10.08 | fuzzy_logic | Gathond: so smtp is not only for sending mail?! |
| 09:10.16 | Vasistha | !tell Kumbi -about mirrors |
| 09:10.17 | wols | !tell Kumbi about sources.list |
| 09:10.42 | Gathond | fuzzy_logic: no, smtp is for sending/receiving email between servers, while imap and pop are for fetching email stored on servers to clients |
| 09:10.46 | tralala | wols, my bad |
| 09:10.55 | Kumbi | ssh root@kumbi.dyndns.org |
| 09:10.57 | tralala | Kumbi, netselect-apt |
| 09:10.58 | Kumbi | oopd |
| 09:11.01 | Kumbi | oops* |
| 09:11.03 | fuzzy_logic | Gathond: ok.. so i do need postfix too? |
| 09:11.20 | tralala | Kumbi, ssh root logins - bad idea |
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| 09:11.24 | Kumbi | sorry |
| 09:11.27 | wols | fuzzy_logic: there are several ways to accomplish what you mean postfix |
| 09:11.31 | Kumbi | i didnt know x-chat aqua had focus |
| 09:11.31 | wols | is one of them |
| 09:11.32 | fuzzy_logic | Gathond: i have an smtp server of my provider.. wil that work too you think? |
| 09:11.39 | Vasistha | Kumbi: it'd be better to ssh as your normal user and then su |
| 09:11.44 | Gathond | fuzzy_logic: If you want to receive email on that machine, you could also use fetchmail or similiar to fetch mail from your ISP's pop3/imap server down to your machine |
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| 09:11.56 | wols | fuzzy_logic: no it won't. it won't deliver mails to you directly, ever |
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| 09:12.14 | wols | you can use it as a smarthost tho |
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| 09:12.20 | tralala | Kumbi, due to security concerns it's best to have root ssh logins disabled |
| 09:13.47 | fuzzy_logic | Gathond&wols: well.. i have a mail account at my hosting provider.. and right now i'm using pop3 of my hosting company and smtp of my isp.. i don't understand why it wouldn't work with my server.. |
| 09:13.51 | wols | fuzzy_logic: btw, are you usre BOTH, outgoing and incoming port25 traffic is firewalled by your ISP? |
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| 09:14.19 | fuzzy_logic | wols: my firewall isn't blocking anything.. im sure about that |
| 09:14.30 | wols | fuzzy_logic: cause neither your hoster nor ISP will instruct their mailservers to forward mail to your imap server. ever |
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| 09:14.49 | Kumbi | how do i turn this http://pastebin.ca/515613 into entries for my sources.list |
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| 09:14.53 | Gathond | fuzzy_logic: you could as I've said use pop3 to fetch that mail down locally and then use your imap to fetch it form there |
| 09:14.59 | wols | fuzzy_logic: that's not what I asked. I can understand how you see how they block outgoing smtp for you. but have you ever tested incoming smtp? |
| 09:15.00 | Kumbi | tralala i dont even have a normal user account |
| 09:15.06 | Kumbi | it's just root on my system currently |
| 09:15.17 | Vasistha | Kumbi: you should have been forced to create one as part of the debian installation, actually |
| 09:15.29 | fuzzy_logic | wols: yes.. and it doesn't work |
| 09:15.41 | fuzzy_logic | Gathond: can you tell me how to do that? |
| 09:15.44 | Gathond | fuzzy_logic: but your imapd cant get the email from your ISP's servers on its own |
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| 09:16.02 | Gathond | fuzzy_logic: not other than knowing fetchmail can do the job, I've never actually used it |
| 09:16.09 | wols | fuzzy_logic: get fetchmail, set it up. by default, fetchmail expects a MTA on localhost |
| 09:16.10 | Coke | Is there a 64-bit version of Firefox available in Debian? |
| 09:16.12 | Gathond | or not within the last 5+ years anyway |
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| 09:16.24 | wols | Coke: yes |
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| 09:16.31 | Gathond | Coke: its called iceweasel not firefox I believe |
| 09:16.38 | fuzzy_logic | wols: i have installed 3 now.. will that be confusing for fetchmail? |
| 09:16.44 | wols | Coke: debian has a full 64bit platform (more than one actually) |
| 09:16.54 | Vasistha | Kumbi: deb mirror.nus.edu.sg/pub/Debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 09:16.56 | wols | fuzzy_logic: installed 3? |
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| 09:17.20 | fuzzy_logic | wols: yes |
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| 09:17.27 | wols | fuzzy_logic: 3 WHAT? |
| 09:17.28 | Coke | Gathond: iceweasel is not firefox |
| 09:17.36 | fuzzy_logic | wols: mta's |
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| 09:17.44 | GuHHH | Coke: it is... |
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| 09:17.47 | wols | Coke: then there is no firefox if you think a few different icons make a different program |
| 09:17.48 | jeremyb | does dpkg respond in query? |
| 09:17.52 | Vasistha | Kumbi: actually, you'll want to put an http:// on there, too. And likewise for the other mirror: tack on the /debian path onto the end of the domain name, and put http on the front of it, and add 'etch main contrib non-free' (assuming you want contrib and non-free packages, that is) |
| 09:17.54 | jeremyb | !seen asac |
| 09:17.56 | Vasistha | jeremyb: yes |
| 09:17.56 | dpkg | asac <n=alex@c210099.adsl.hansenet.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 625d 21h 34m ago, saying: 'hi, any cmd line tool to convert decimal to hex?'. |
| 09:18.02 | wols | jeremyb: yes it does |
| 09:18.02 | Coke | wols: there's a few features missing |
| 09:18.03 | Gathond | Coke: its debians version of it afaik, since firefox could not be called firefox in debian because they did not use the artwork |
| 09:18.04 | jeremyb | Vasistha: didn't for me :( |
| 09:18.18 | Coke | Gathond: so, the artwork is the difference? |
| 09:18.19 | jeremyb | he's identified too |
| 09:18.23 | wols | jeremyb: you are not identified to services |
| 09:18.25 | Vasistha | jeremyb: sure you're not ignoring him or something? |
| 09:18.31 | wols | which means dpkg never sees your query |
| 09:18.32 | eat_life | Coke: yes |
| 09:18.44 | jeremyb | wols: that's news to me. says who? |
| 09:18.47 | eat_life | Coke: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel |
| 09:18.53 | wols | !iceweasel |
| 09:18.54 | dpkg | methinks iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is currently different from the browser with the same name from GNU (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla) although it is possible that the two projects will join forces in the future. To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>. |
| 09:18.55 | Gathond | Coke: and I suppose its a bit old because of the freeze process, but they should be very similiar and from the same source |
| 09:18.56 | Kumbi | Vasistha : http://pastebin.ca/515618 ? did my noob brain figure it out? |
| 09:18.56 | Coke | That means the stupid MF developers who made the websystem did a agent string check rather than a feature check |
| 09:19.23 | jeremyb | Vasistha: well, i'm sure i never configured anything to ignore him |
| 09:19.23 | wols | Coke: exactly. UA switcher |
| 09:19.27 | wols | or edit about:config |
| 09:19.31 | Vasistha | Kumbi: heh, yeah, just tack an http:// onto the front of the first domain |
| 09:19.36 | Kumbi | okay ty |
| 09:19.44 | Kumbi | holy crap the mirror is FAST |
| 09:19.52 | MasterGH | hi, I've got a strange problem with my CPU. Whenever I start up a program, my CPU goes up to 100%, then drops down again to around 2-5%. Another problem related to that is in Iceweasel when i have more than one tab open, its REALLY slow. I have a P4 1.6GHz cpu, and have correctly set up 3D acceleration for my graphics card |
| 09:19.53 | Kumbi | 'cause its in my own country heh |
| 09:20.04 | Vasistha | jeremyb: if you haven't identified to services, you can't /msg *most* people on freenode |
| 09:20.10 | Kumbi | thanks guys you have been great help! |
| 09:20.18 | Vasistha | Kumbi: btw: thanks for being one of the nicest Singaporeans here. |
| 09:20.25 | Kumbi | i am? |
| 09:20.33 | Coke | Web developers suck arse. |
| 09:20.52 | jeremyb | Vasistha: ok, i know that. how does that change anything? i'm identified and i'm umode +6 so i can receive /msg from ident |
| 09:20.55 | jeremyb | err |
| 09:21.00 | jeremyb | from unidentified |
| 09:21.15 | wols | dpkg is identified. |
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| 09:21.29 | jeremyb | i checked that too |
| 09:21.32 | jeremyb | he is in fact |
| 09:21.33 | Vasistha | Kumbi: we've frequently had trouble with real beligerants from Singapore who got banned from the channel. So it's been really nice talking to you, since you've been so nice & reasonable -- you know, when people are tempted to start having prejudices, it's really nice to meet a nice counter-example that knocks down the stereotype ;) |
| 09:21.40 | wols | MasterGH: are you using busmaster DMA or not? |
| 09:22.01 | Kumbi | ok guys, in the debian mirrorlist |
| 09:22.07 | Kumbi | why is there a /pub/Debian and a /debian |
| 09:22.11 | MasterGH | wols: hmm I'm not sure...could you give me something to tell if I am? |
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| 09:22.31 | wols | MasterGH: dmesg tells you, hdparm possibly too |
| 09:22.35 | Vasistha | Kumbi: it depends on the server -- the mirror can choose where in their own directory structure they host the debian packages. |
| 09:22.54 | MasterGH | ok |
| 09:22.55 | Kumbi | on the same server, Vasistha |
| 09:23.07 | jeremyb | wols / dpkg: does querying provide a response for you? |
| 09:23.14 | Kumbi | for example mirror.nus.edu.sg |
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| 09:23.18 | jeremyb | err |
| 09:23.21 | Kumbi | a /pub/Debian and a /debian |
| 09:23.29 | Kumbi | they both list the same contents |
| 09:23.39 | Vasistha | Kumbi: oh, uhm ... I dunno. maybe it's just a symlink? I use http://mirrors.usc.edu/pub/linux/distributions/debian/ and I don't worry about asking such questions ;) |
| 09:23.42 | jeremyb | s/dpkg/Vasistha/ |
| 09:23.58 | MasterGH | wols: could you give me a grep line or tell me where to look for dmesg? |
| 09:23.59 | Vasistha | jeremyb: yes, it does. here, try querying me. |
| 09:24.02 | sputnick | which version is 2.4.25 please |
| 09:24.04 | jeremyb | oh, now it works |
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| 09:24.07 | sputnick | ? |
| 09:24.09 | Kumbi | ok let me add that to the sources.list |
| 09:24.26 | sputnick | is it sarge ? etch ? woody ? potatoes ? |
| 09:24.32 | wols | dmesg is in your path |
| 09:24.43 | Vasistha | Kumbi: no reason for you to add a California source when you've got two local ones! |
| 09:24.44 | wols | sputnick: custom |
| 09:24.48 | jeremyb | maybe he was overloaded or something |
| 09:24.55 | MasterGH | wols: oops what i meant was where to look in the output |
| 09:25.20 | wols | MasterGH: BM-DMA. when IDE contrllers are recognized |
| 09:25.38 | wols | sputnick: what libc6? |
| 09:25.44 | Vasistha | sputnick: sarge has 2.4.27, and woody certainly wouldn't have anything as high as 2.4.25, I don't think |
| 09:25.46 | MasterGH | wols: yes that appears |
| 09:26.08 | Kumbi | Vasistha the two local ones cannot emerge xorg |
| 09:26.08 | itchi | My sunday's guestion: Does debian runs well on a IBM Netfinity 5100? |
| 09:26.12 | Kumbi | they say some stuff not found |
| 09:26.17 | Kumbi | im only left with 8MB to go |
| 09:26.18 | wols | MasterGH: hdparm -i /dev/hda |
| 09:26.20 | Kumbi | for Xorg |
| 09:26.25 | Vasistha | Kumbi: heh, we don't use words like "emerge" ;) |
| 09:26.32 | Kumbi | sorry! |
| 09:26.36 | Kumbi | i still thought it's gentoo |
| 09:26.39 | Vasistha | heh |
| 09:26.41 | Kumbi | replace emerge with apt-get install lol |
| 09:27.05 | Vasistha | Kumbi: what kinda errors are you getting there? |
| 09:27.12 | MasterGH | wols: hmm "command not found", what package is that in? |
| 09:27.21 | wols | !tell MasterGH about search |
| 09:27.28 | MasterGH | wols: nvm found it |
| 09:27.34 | Kumbi | Vasistha http://pastebin.ca/515625 |
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| 09:30.00 | Kumbi | and this one too Vasistha when trying to update: http://pastebin.ca/515626 |
| 09:30.00 | MasterGH | wols: ok, what am I looking for in that output? |
| 09:30.00 | wols | what mode is used |
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| 09:30.01 | Vasistha | Kumbi: alright, first of all, you should move usc.edu down to the bottom of your list -- the sources at the top of your list are treated as higher priority mirrors, so you definitely want the fastest one to be first, at the top of the list. |
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| 09:30.02 | MasterGH | wols: DMA modes: mdma0 mdma1 mdma2 |
| 09:30.02 | Kumbi | no Vasistha you know what i do? |
| 09:30.03 | Kumbi | i comment out everything |
| 09:30.03 | Kumbi | except for the local mirrors |
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| 09:30.07 | Kumbi | and switch the #'s around |
| 09:30.20 | MasterGH | wols: apparently the current active mode is "udma5" though |
| 09:30.21 | Kumbi | its kinda hard to move stuff around in nano |
| 09:31.30 | Vasistha | !enter |
| 09:31.30 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying, and scrolls our windows extraneously. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. We'll be more inclined to help you if you are considerate! |
| 09:31.31 | Kumbi | ok, i get it sorry! |
| 09:31.31 | Kumbi | guys, what's the "contrib non-free" parts? |
| 09:31.31 | WildPenguin | It seems the problem only occurs when chording multiple modifier keys for a command while using the Dvorak keymap. Has anyone experienced something similar? |
| 09:31.31 | Kumbi | should i remove the "non-free" from my local mirrors |
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| 09:32.09 | Vasistha | !tell Kumbi about non-free |
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| 09:32.22 | MasterGH | wols: any ideas from that? |
| 09:33.30 | Kumbi | hey Vasistha , the x.org packages cannot be found in local mirror |
| 09:33.32 | Kumbi | wtf? |
| 09:33.33 | nvz | Kumbi: debian free software guidelines are more strict than many softwares' lisc terms so software that contains/requires non DFSG componants is contrib, and that which simply doesnt compy is non-free |
| 09:33.50 | Vasistha | Kumbi: you can remove contrib and non-free from all of your sources; and only add them if you need them. I'm not sure what's up with this xorg problem... |
| 09:34.11 | nvz | Kumbi: apt-cache search xorg |
| 09:34.21 | Kumbi | ok guys i think my noob brain has got the hang of sources.list |
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| 09:34.44 | Kumbi | ok lots of stuff popped up nvz |
| 09:34.54 | nvz | Kumbi: main software is completly compliant with the dfsg on official mirrors anyhow |
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| 09:35.39 | nvz | Kumbi: exactly.. there is no package called x.org, you want to install x-window-system or a smaller set, x-window-system-core, or something |
| 09:36.45 | nvz | Kumbi: you may also want a Display Manager such as xdm, kdm, gdm, or wdm and a Desktop Environment such as XFCE, KDE, or GNOME |
| 09:36.54 | Madkiss | what's the most convenient method to install debian etch as domU inside a netbsd dom0? |
| 09:37.17 | tralala | Madkiss, probably debootstrap |
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| 09:37.56 | nvz | I tried freebsd once, but I didn't inhale |
| 09:37.58 | tralala | nvz, domX is xen terminology |
| 09:38.15 | nvz | ah, never played with xen either |
| 09:38.17 | elefth | In my xorg.conf for Mode 24 I have "1680x1050_60". Up until login on GDM everything works fine. Once I enter the user/pass and get into Gnome the monitor blacks out and gives me a message that it can not display the resolution and that optimal resolution is 1680x1050 at 60Hz, which is what I have! Any ideas? |
| 09:38.17 | Madkiss | nvz: freebsd in xen is the suck. |
| 09:38.26 | Vasistha | Kumbi: ...although I would *still* encourage you to try to use aptitude! ;) |
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| 09:38.33 | nvz | Madkiss: freebsd without xen sucked IMHO |
| 09:38.40 | Kumbi | so many things to learn |
| 09:38.47 | Kumbi | meh if only this was windows |
| 09:38.54 | Madkiss | nvz: well, i couldn't say that :) |
| 09:38.55 | Kumbi | i'd have those wizard thingies to help me |
| 09:38.55 | sobersabre | which filesystem is better suitable for usage on a fileserver, shared via NFS/CIFS: ext3,jfs,xfs,reiserfs3 ? |
| 09:39.09 | Madkiss | sobersabre: reiser is in jail, i wouldn't trust THAT too much ;) |
| 09:39.11 | sobersabre | it will be on a RAID device. |
| 09:39.13 | Kumbi | well Vasistha apt-get sure beats installing packages manually |
| 09:39.28 | nvz | Madkiss: well I did, and I could say it again.. but I didnt really give it a chance, and didnt see any reason to |
| 09:39.37 | sobersabre | Madkiss: nice one... but his team still is free isn't it ? |
| 09:39.38 | Vasistha | elefth: hum, I think refresh rate is specified elsewhere in xorg.conf ... how did you come up with that "1680x1050_60" syntax? |
| 09:39.44 | war | sobersabre: is it on a UPS? |
| 09:39.53 | sobersabre | war: why do you ask ? |
| 09:39.56 | Vasistha | Kumbi: ...and aptitude sure beats apt-get! |
| 09:40.01 | Vasistha | !tell Kumbi about why aptitude |
| 09:40.02 | war | sobersabre: it will affect my answer |
| 09:40.05 | Madkiss | sobersabre: that'S not important. the mind counts, the mind counts, my dear! |
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| 09:40.14 | sobersabre | war: it's a UPS power line. |
| 09:40.17 | elefth | Vasistha, someone had told me to use that in #xorg It had been working for 54 days now (my uptime) |
| 09:40.21 | Kumbi | ack more readmes |
| 09:40.25 | [dmp] | !tell me about why aptitude |
| 09:40.28 | war | sobersabre: XFS is the best performing filesystem in Linux for the most prt |
| 09:40.31 | Kumbi | oh yeah how do i quit less? |
| 09:40.33 | war | sobersabre: idont use anythign but XFS :) |
| 09:40.36 | war | Kumbi: 'q' |
| 09:40.40 | Vasistha | !tell [dmp] about msg the bot |
| 09:41.07 | Kumbi | hey guys do i get the award for "most noob questions asked in 1 day" |
| 09:41.09 | sobersabre | war: I am reading about it, but wikipedia states some serious disadvantages of it. |
| 09:41.19 | war | sobersabre: I use it for multi-terabyte raids |
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| 09:41.23 | war | sobersabre: get > 500MB/s |
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| 09:41.36 | sobersabre | war: on which hardware ? |
| 09:41.36 | war | sobersabre: use somethingelse then :) |
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| 09:41.42 | war | sobersabre: software raid 5 |
| 09:41.49 | war | sobersabre: using raptor hard drives |
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| 09:42.00 | sobersabre | war: raptor is the 10k rpm disks ? |
| 09:42.03 | war | sobersabre: yes |
| 09:42.04 | xand | raptors are tiny |
| 09:42.09 | war | sobersabre: I get 622MB/s for reads |
| 09:42.13 | war | sobersabre: and 434MB/s write |
| 09:42.23 | xand | sure |
| 09:42.27 | war | sobersabre: with 10 raptors |
| 09:42.31 | sobersabre | war: each disk is ... how much ? |
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| 09:42.40 | war | sobersabre: $170 AR, $200 before rebate |
| 09:42.47 | war | 139GB formatted |
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| 09:42.54 | war | = 1.251TB w/10 disks raid5 |
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| 09:42.59 | Kumbi | Vasistha http://i17.tinypic.com/6hhswf7.png |
| 09:43.04 | Kumbi | are those ok |
| 09:43.06 | xivulon | Hi all |
| 09:43.07 | war | xand: sure? |
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| 09:43.41 | Vasistha | Kumbi: hum, that's more of the same error messages you've been getting :( |
| 09:43.45 | war | sobersabre: depends what you want |
| 09:43.48 | war | sobersabre: speed or space |
| 09:43.53 | xivulon | Is there anything in /sys or /proc to find out what file a particular loopmount is actually using? I cannot use losetup. |
| 09:43.54 | Kumbi | ok ftp.tw.debian.org has the missing packages |
| 09:43.55 | war | sobersabre: I also have a 6 x 400GB, ~210-260MB/s read and write |
| 09:44.02 | war | sobersabre: building a 12 x 400GB tomorrow |
| 09:44.02 | Kumbi | but it's slow |
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| 09:44.14 | war | sobersabre: 7200rpm drives are slow |
| 09:44.28 | sobersabre | war: I prefer both, but 1TB is enough for me. |
| 09:44.31 | MasterGH | wols: you still there? |
| 09:44.46 | war | sobersabre: ah :) |
| 09:45.01 | war | sobersabre: well if you went the raptor route Gigabit soon becomes a limitation ;( |
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| 09:47.22 | Kumbi | hmm if the xorg apt-getting succeeds |
| 09:47.27 | war | sobersabre: btw |
| 09:47.30 | Kumbi | what windows manager do i get by default? the ugly twm? |
| 09:47.30 | war | sobersabre: www.rhic.bnl.gov/hepix/talks/041019pm/schoen.pdf |
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| 09:47.41 | war | sobersabre: I didnt write that but it provides a good comparison XFS is 2x over ext3 |
| 09:47.44 | war | in some benchmarks |
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| 09:49.08 | Kumbi | somebody teach me what aptitude is? |
| 09:49.30 | sobersabre | war: many thanks... how does xfs compare to jfs2 ? |
| 09:49.38 | infester | aptitude is apti-get+apt-cache + an interface for console |
| 09:49.52 | Vasistha | Kumbi: I just got an error trying with mirror.nus.edu.sg -- why don't you go with debian.wow-vision.com.sg instead, and comment out nus.edu.sg |
| 09:49.59 | Kumbi | hmm what games can i play without X? |
| 09:50.04 | Kumbi | aka in pure textmode |
| 09:50.05 | xand | nethack |
| 09:50.07 | infester | nethack |
| 09:50.11 | Kumbi | will apt-get have it? |
| 09:50.13 | Vasistha | Kumbi: there's a bsdgames packages I think |
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| 09:50.27 | war | sobersabre: JFS2 = JFS in linux AFAIK |
| 09:50.28 | infester | Kumbi: if you have configured it out properly yes |
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| 09:50.35 | Kumbi | ooh i cant use apt-get, it says unable to lock the admin directory |
| 09:50.38 | war | sobersabre: its pretty close |
| 09:50.42 | infester | Kumbi: aptitude search nethack |
| 09:50.48 | war | sobersabre: but there is much more support in Linux for XFS over JFS imo |
| 09:51.07 | infester | Anyone here got bootsplash working with a newer kernel on a PPC? |
| 09:51.14 | xand | war: how do you enable ACLs for xfs on linux? |
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| 09:52.07 | Kumbi | hmm i cant use 2 apt-gets at once |
| 09:52.09 | Kumbi | what a bummer |
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| 09:52.45 | war | xand: Ive not used them, but you compile them into the kernel (the option) and you have to use xfsdump/restore to preserve them, there are docs on sgi's site, 20pdfsexplaining the entire filesystem |
| 09:53.15 | Kumbi | hey Vasistha you know why its emerging so many video drivers? i dont have a video card of every kind in my system |
| 09:53.26 | Kumbi | sorry, alias emerge apt-get |
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| 09:53.37 | xand | war: sounds a bit crap |
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| 09:54.07 | Vasistha | Kumbi: ahh -- there's a trick to getting that not to happen, but ... don't worry about it for now. Just let it install, it won't take much space; when you understand stuff better in the future, you can remove some of the extraneous ones. |
| 09:54.09 | war | xand: just like ext3 or anything else |
| 09:54.16 | xand | war: no, it's not like that |
| 09:54.31 | xand | ext3 acls just work mounting with the "acl" option, but xfs ones do not |
| 09:54.53 | Kumbi | Vasistha im worried 18gb is not enough |
| 09:55.00 | Kumbi | vista takes 10gb just for the base install |
| 09:55.05 | sobersabre | war: I've been told about xfs's "good quota support"... what does it mean ? |
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| 09:55.20 | war | sobersabre: do you need it? |
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| 09:55.30 | sobersabre | war: of course. |
| 09:55.36 | Ronin | Kumbi: true but not true all at the same time, it depends on which and what you install |
| 09:55.39 | sobersabre | so what is its' "goodness" ? |
| 09:55.42 | Vasistha | Kumbi: my '/' partition is 5 GB and I'm running KDE |
| 09:55.55 | war | sobersabre: quota was never 'added' to XFS lik eit was to ext*, it was included as part of the original part of the filesystem |
| 09:56.08 | Kumbi | Vasistha mine is 1 big / for every single thing, not like a tiny partition for /var /opt /home etc |
| 09:56.12 | sobersabre | I mean, one can either support or not suppot quota. |
| 09:56.14 | Kumbi | so i suppose it'd be enough |
| 09:56.29 | Vasistha | Kumbi: you're going to have plenty of space; don't worry about it ;) |
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| 09:56.38 | Kumbi | i could df -h i suppose |
| 09:56.44 | xand | sobersabre: windows quotas are better than normal linux ones :P you can do quotas on folders, groups etc |
| 09:56.51 | Kumbi | i've used 500mb so far - amazing |
| 09:56.57 | Kumbi | "only" 500MB |
| 09:57.11 | war | sobersabre: use whatever you want |
| 09:57.19 | war | sobersabre: but XFS will give you the best performance over almost any FS |
| 09:57.21 | sobersabre | xand: it's not windows, it's the role based model vs. flat simplistic permissions. |
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| 09:57.44 | ness | Hi, what packages do I have to apt-get install to get my current system run as dom0 of xen? |
| 09:57.47 | sobersabre | war: and why was UPS in question ? |
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| 09:58.09 | tralala | ness, a xen kernel I guess |
| 09:58.19 | rza | and hypervisor |
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| 09:58.37 | Vasistha | Kumbi: a debian base install is about 250 MB |
| 09:58.51 | ness | but which packages are these? There are at least 5 with "xen" in the name |
| 09:58.52 | rza | linux-image-2.6-xen-686 and xen-hypervisor-3.0.3-1-i386-pae |
| 09:59.02 | rza | you propably want xen utils also |
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| 09:59.05 | Coke | xand: if you don't need quotas such a filesystem just wastes up resources |
| 09:59.07 | tralala | ness, linux-image-something-xen |
| 09:59.07 | Kumbi | Vasistha so i've dled another 250mb of stuff? |
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| 09:59.30 | sobersabre | war: r u here ? |
| 09:59.36 | Vasistha | Kumbi: something like that. or, you selected an option or two during the install, and got slightly more than a base system when you installed |
| 09:59.36 | war | sobersabre: one way it achieves the highest performance is through parallelization of its code but it journals metadata and not the data itself, e.g., if you have a power outage with XFS and you are editing a file and you reboot the file will be crap |
| 09:59.58 | war | sobersabre: http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs/faq.html#nulls |
| 10:00.04 | Kumbi | Vasistha i used the netinst cd, it was very tiny |
| 10:00.31 | Vasistha | Kumbi: anyway, as you can see, you don't really need to worry about space for the time being. |
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| 10:02.41 | Kumbi | yep i'm glad |
| 10:02.58 | Kumbi | let me go get my dinner, blasted missing packages, i'll just use the main mirror from the USA |
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| 10:04.00 | sobersabre | war: so, xfs redefines the need for backup... |
| 10:04.09 | xand | no it doesn't |
| 10:04.15 | war | sobersabre: if you don't have a UPS yup |
| 10:04.22 | war | sobersabre: but raid is no substitute for backups |
| 10:04.26 | xand | you need backups whatever FS you use |
| 10:04.28 | war | sobersabre: nothing is |
| 10:04.32 | war | correct |
| 10:04.42 | whazilla | how do i launch gdm over remote desktop ? |
| 10:04.43 | sobersabre | war: it is absurd, but I am on a UPS, and this UPS has failed 3 times during the last year. |
| 10:04.46 | Kumbi | hey Vasistha amazing, it has drivers for every single video card, eh |
| 10:04.58 | sobersabre | 2 times because of human error. |
| 10:04.59 | war | sobersabre: buy a new one they are on sale for $44 w/free shipping |
| 10:05.06 | war | sobersabre: oh you are in .il |
| 10:05.08 | war | sobersabre: nvm ;( |
| 10:05.20 | sobersabre | war: we're talking about a ups system with generator etc. |
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| 10:06.36 | war | sobersabre: oh |
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| 10:06.36 | sobersabre | war: we do have small UPS's, but we have a UPS line. |
| 10:06.36 | war | gotcha |
| 10:06.36 | sobersabre | anyways, I think I'll give it a try. |
| 10:06.55 | sobersabre | war: I remember the formatting took ages on XFS with IRIX. |
| 10:07.03 | sobersabre | does it take long on linux too ? |
| 10:07.18 | war | It takes approx 2 seconds for 3.3TB |
| 10:07.29 | war | and 1 or 2 seconds with 1.2TB raptors ;P |
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| 10:07.58 | sobersabre | you could spend 3 hours waiting for a 4GB hard disk to finish the formatting. |
| 10:08.23 | whazilla | Server is already active for display 0 |
| 10:08.23 | Kumbi | forget dinner let me try to get xorg working 1st |
| 10:08.29 | whazilla | how do i add a display |
| 10:08.40 | whazilla | and do export display=someip:0.0 |
| 10:08.46 | whazilla | for remote desktop ? |
| 10:09.17 | whazilla | i want to have 2 x serveers |
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| 10:09.22 | toibien | whazilla, you need to enable xdmcp |
| 10:09.41 | MasterGH | hi again, I think I have some more information that might help resolve my problem. What seens to be happening is my 512MBs of is sitting at around 110 MBs used, and when I do things, it doesn't seem to change much at all. I tried toing a very RAM intensive task (bsdiff) that usually takes up a lot of ram, and maybe 5-10MBs extra was used, but my CPU went up to 100% |
| 10:09.43 | toibien | if that's what you want, cos, you comment looks to fuzzy to me |
| 10:10.05 | MasterGH | 512MBs of RAM* |
| 10:10.38 | whazilla | toibien whats xdmcp ? the logon manager ? |
| 10:10.51 | Kumbi | E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing? |
| 10:10.54 | tralala | whazilla, you need to make sure that: a) the remote X accepts tcp connections, b) there aren't firewalls blocking the X port (usually 5900), c) the remote X will accept connections from your IP (see xauth) |
| 10:10.59 | Kumbi | how do i do the --fix-missing |
| 10:11.01 | sobersabre | war: another Q. I need some redundancy. |
| 10:11.13 | war | sobersabre: ok |
| 10:11.17 | sobersabre | Is RAID5 much slower than RAID1 : |
| 10:11.17 | war | sobersabre: how many disks do you hae |
| 10:11.21 | whazilla | thkx tralala |
| 10:11.25 | war | sobersabre: depends on how many disks you have |
| 10:11.28 | tralala | whazilla, however using ssh and X11 forwarding is probably the better and easier way to go |
| 10:11.29 | sobersabre | I am currently ordering 4 disks |
| 10:11.30 | Vasistha | Kumbi: what have you got in your archives now? I think you ought to try with just the wow-vision mirror |
| 10:11.39 | Vasistha | s/archives/sources.list/ |
| 10:11.40 | war | sobersabre: with 4 disks I got 210MB/s write and 197MB/s read (4 raptors) |
| 10:11.41 | sobersabre | the WDxxxxYS ones. |
| 10:11.43 | Kumbi | Vasistha wow-vision has missing files too |
| 10:11.50 | sobersabre | not RAPTORs |
| 10:11.51 | whazilla | tralala how do i try forwarding ? |
| 10:11.57 | war | sobersabre: with 6 regular drives I got 190-200MB/s (7200rpm) |
| 10:11.58 | Vasistha | Kumbi: that's weird -- it didn't, when I did an apt-get update with it |
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| 10:12.07 | whazilla | the thing is i want the remote tobe a dualview from tv |
| 10:12.14 | war | sobersabre: and if you put any of the drives on the PCI bus you wont get more than 30-40MB/s write and 100-120MB/s read |
| 10:12.19 | Kumbi | Vasistha i have 656kb left for xorg |
| 10:12.20 | war | sobersabre: so I hope you have PCI-e |
| 10:12.24 | toibien | whazilla, part of it |
| 10:12.25 | whazilla | via lan (its another bos) |
| 10:12.26 | Kumbi | and i can't get the remaining packages |
| 10:12.35 | sobersabre | war: It's SATA 3GB bus. |
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| 10:12.45 | sobersabre | PCI-e |
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| 10:12.53 | ness | now that was cool |
| 10:12.56 | war | sobersabre: what chipset? |
| 10:12.58 | war | sobersabre: 965? |
| 10:13.00 | tralala | whazilla, you want to send tv remotely? |
| 10:13.01 | sobersabre | yes |
| 10:13.03 | sobersabre | :) |
| 10:13.04 | sobersabre | what else ? |
| 10:13.05 | war | sobersabre: should be good |
| 10:13.20 | whazilla | do tell me more on remotes :) |
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| 10:13.31 | sobersabre | I hope so. my lab depends on it. |
| 10:13.33 | ness | apt-get install xen-hypervisor linux-image-amd64; <reboot> => running on top of xen |
| 10:13.44 | tralala | whazilla, that will be *very* network intensive |
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| 10:13.51 | Vasistha | Kumbi: I wonder if you just got disconnected or something ... weird. Have you just tried again a couple times? |
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| 10:14.17 | sobersabre | war: I've noticed concurrent writes are a bit problematic. |
| 10:14.28 | sobersabre | Is it as problematic as on any other FS ? |
| 10:14.32 | sobersabre | or a bit less ? |
| 10:14.40 | sobersabre | or a bit more ? |
| 10:14.49 | war | sobersabre: research it :) |
| 10:14.54 | Madkiss | will the debian-etch-standard-cd just boot inside xen? |
| 10:14.55 | war | sobersabre: XFS is the best for parellelism |
| 10:15.02 | tralala | whazilla, try this on the remote box: ssh -Y tvbox tvsoftware |
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| 10:15.14 | Kumbi | Vasistha : http://pastebin.ca/515686 |
| 10:15.20 | Kumbi | thats my sources.list so far |
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| 10:16.06 | Kumbi | oh yeah what nethack should i get |
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| 10:16.18 | war | sobersabre: let me try and write 2 10gb files sequentially at the same time from input from /dev/zero |
| 10:16.28 | Kumbi | x11, qt, gnome, lisp, console |
| 10:16.37 | Vasistha | Kumbi: just to check, you are running an 'update' option before trying to 'install', right? From aptitude, 'u' should do an update |
| 10:16.39 | test_ | anyone know something that copies selected content with ctrl+c to the clipboard ? |
| 10:16.53 | Kumbi | im using apt-get lol |
| 10:17.17 | Kumbi | ok im at the main menu, now what |
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| 10:17.23 | sobersabre | war: let's who /dev/zero isnt' the one who slows you down ;-] |
| 10:17.38 | sobersabre | s/who/hope/ |
| 10:17.54 | war | sobersabre: here it is |
| 10:17.54 | Lynoure | test_: in gnome, kde, console or what? |
| 10:18.03 | war | sobersabre: 10737418240 bytes (11 GB) copied, 51.7544 seconds, 207 MB/s | 10737418240 bytes (11 GB) copied, 51.6049 seconds, 208 MB/s |
| 10:18.04 | test_ | Lynoure, in xfce |
| 10:18.12 | war | sobersabre: 415MB/s |
| 10:18.20 | Lynoure | test_: sorry, no experience of that. |
| 10:18.22 | sobersabre | war: this is far better than 60 :) |
| 10:18.34 | war | sobersabre: again though this is with 10 drives |
| 10:18.35 | sobersabre | I will be happy with this for a while... |
| 10:18.47 | war | sobersabre: with 4 you wont see such high speed, especially with 7200rpm hdd |
| 10:19.25 | sobersabre | war: so you think RAID5 with as many disks as possible is the highest throughput ? |
| 10:19.34 | Kumbi | hey i installed nethack-console but nethack is a command not found, how do i launch nethack |
| 10:19.35 | war | sobersabre: yup and there is also tweaking that can be done |
| 10:19.43 | Vasistha | test_: well, you can try ctrl+insert ... that works sometimes |
| 10:19.43 | sobersabre | sysctl ? |
| 10:19.44 | war | sobersabre: without tweaking I get 350MB/s or so |
| 10:19.48 | war | sobersabre: no |
| 10:19.50 | war | sobersabre: many things |
| 10:19.57 | war | sobersabre: NCQ incurs a 30-50MB/s performance hit |
| 10:20.00 | war | sobersabre: as well |
| 10:20.13 | sobersabre | war: ... is there any resource on these tweaks anywhere ? |
| 10:20.24 | war | sobersabre: read every mailing list and web page you can find :) |
| 10:20.25 | sobersabre | I would like to read it through. |
| 10:20.39 | Kumbi | someone teach me how to use aptitude ? |
| 10:20.39 | war | sobersabre: that is what I did over a period of 1-2 months and that is how I found what to tweak |
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| 10:20.58 | whazilla | well tralala i first need to configure xorg.conf to have 2 displays |
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| 10:21.22 | sobersabre | war: this can take up my life, and I need to study. we've had a strike up to 1 day at which I had the old storage failures. |
| 10:21.28 | war | sobersabre: with 4 threads simultaenously I am seeing 500-600MB/s writes |
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| 10:21.46 | whazilla | then i want to try to give the remote twinview |
| 10:21.47 | sobersabre | war: I envy you a bit with this hardware. |
| 10:21.50 | war | hehe :) |
| 10:21.55 | sobersabre | are you into distributed computing too ? |
| 10:22.03 | war | well I recently got a Q6600 CPU |
| 10:22.12 | war | and have run dsitributed apps |
| 10:22.17 | war | on 10 machines to speed things up |
| 10:22.28 | war | but the older boxes are so slow it doesnt make sense to use them vs. power they use ;P |
| 10:23.19 | war | sobersabre: http://rafb.net/p/IvZTsx14.html |
| 10:23.55 | war | bo = the megabytes per second to the raid device |
| 10:23.58 | war | bytes rather |
| 10:24.24 | Kumbi | how do i use aptitude? |
| 10:24.48 | war | Kumbi: aptitude install firefox |
| 10:24.52 | sobersabre | that's sweet speeds.... |
| 10:24.56 | war | sobersabre: yup |
| 10:24.57 | sobersabre | I hope I get 1/2 of that. |
| 10:25.05 | war | eee with only 4 drives you will not |
| 10:25.10 | Kumbi | how do i mark a package for installation? |
| 10:25.11 | sobersabre | it will suffice, we're more into CPU than I/O. |
| 10:25.12 | war | especially _Slow_ 7200rpm drives |
| 10:25.35 | sobersabre | war: what about LVM... does it slow things down ? |
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| 10:25.44 | war | sobersabre: yes |
| 10:25.47 | war | sobersabre: 30-50% |
| 10:25.53 | sobersabre | oh shite. |
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| 10:25.57 | sobersabre | no way. |
| 10:26.01 | war | http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Gentoo_Install_on_Software_RAID_mirror_and_LVM2_on_top_of_RAID |
| 10:26.15 | war | http://www.beowulf.org/archive/2007-May/018349.html |
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| 10:28.58 | sobersabre | war: hmm.. sorry for so much ignorance: |
| 10:29.12 | war | sobersabre: ? |
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| 10:29.29 | sobersabre | if I build up a RAID5 system with 4 500GB disks, can I add several more later ? |
| 10:29.36 | war | sobersabre: yes |
| 10:29.40 | sobersabre | will I have to kill the data for this ? |
| 10:29.43 | war | sobersabre: no |
| 10:29.46 | war | sobersabre: mdadm --grow |
| 10:29.52 | war | sobersabre: then xfs_growfs /mount_point |
| 10:29.54 | sobersabre | does the RAID5 controller automatically spread the data ? |
| 10:29.59 | war | sobersabre: yes |
| 10:30.04 | war | sobersabre: it rebuilds to new drives |
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| 10:30.27 | sobersabre | so, you say RAID5 is the fastest way to access the data ? |
| 10:30.36 | war | sobersabre: not faster than raid 0 :P |
| 10:30.42 | cydork | sobersabre: depends :) |
| 10:31.03 | sobersabre | hm.... |
| 10:31.04 | war | sobersabre: raid0 I was able to do 750-850MB/s |
| 10:31.05 | sobersabre | isn't mirrorring - RAID1 ? |
| 10:31.10 | war | sobersabre: yes |
| 10:31.15 | sobersabre | what is RAID0 then ? |
| 10:31.27 | Vasistha | Kumbi: well, I must get to bed. Good luck! use '/' to search in aptitude, +/- to add/remove packages, and the arrow keys and enter to navigate. also, 'u' for update, and 'g' for GO -- meaning, install/uninstall the things you've selected (it will take you through a verification screen!) Also, of course, 'q' to quit (both open windows, and the whole app, once you get to the last open window) |
| 10:31.34 | war | sobersabre: you need to read on raids |
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| 10:31.39 | sobersabre | right doing it now. |
| 10:31.41 | war | k :) |
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| 10:32.41 | BleSS | hi all! |
| 10:32.41 | BleSS | how looking for an installed package? i.e. openssl |
| 10:32.41 | _Rubyxx | My Debian PC utilises almost all its 750MB RAM and hardly any Swap (about 75kb) Is there a way to remedy this? |
| 10:32.46 | cydork | BleSS: /msg dpkg search |
| 10:32.49 | sepski | _Rubyxx, it is as it's suposed to be |
| 10:32.53 | BleSS | apt-cache pkgnames ? |
| 10:32.58 | BleSS | cydork: thanks! |
| 10:33.08 | Vasistha | _Rubyxx: remedy? why would you want to change that? that sounds great! |
| 10:33.12 | sepski | _Rubyxx, linux uses free ram for disc cache. to improve performance. |
| 10:33.14 | war | _Rubyxx: free | grep '+' | awk '{print $4/1024" MB FREE"}' |
| 10:33.45 | cydork | _Rubyxx: /msg dpkg free ram |
| 10:33.45 | war | _Rubyxx: that is how much memory REALLY have free |
| 10:33.45 | Staz | dpkg -l openssl |
| 10:33.45 | dpkg | No packages found matching openssl |
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| 10:34.07 | war | _Rubyxx: what does it show? |
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| 10:34.58 | _Rubyxx | war: 430.316 MB FREE |
| 10:34.59 | BleSS | cydork: but I want to looking for an installed package on my system |
| 10:35.05 | k33k | hello, im using etch and my sources list is complaining about not finding tzdata, what am i supposed to do |
| 10:35.09 | war | _Rubyxx: there ya go. |
| 10:35.14 | sobersabre | ok, I see. so 1+0 is the thing I need. |
| 10:35.19 | _Rubyxx | war: ok ty |
| 10:35.20 | war | sobersabre: aka raid10 |
| 10:35.24 | war | sobersabre: but thats not fast either |
| 10:35.26 | BleSS | with those commands I looking a package into the repository |
| 10:35.27 | cydork | BleSS: there are many ways as dpkg suggested. dpkg -l is one of them |
| 10:35.33 | BleSS | ok |
| 10:35.49 | war | sobersabre: raid5 blows away my raid10 during my testing |
| 10:35.49 | k33k | Failed to fetch http://........../t/tzdata/tzdata_2007f-4_all.deb 404 Not Found ; whwere ...... is the link to the rep |
| 10:36.14 | sobersabre | war: as long as you have more than 4 disks :) |
| 10:36.14 | BleSS | cydork: but dpkg doesn't suggest me about that |
| 10:36.15 | Loopi | hi, i'm gonna buy a laptop called MYRIA D15NGB, Intel Celeron M410 with video card UMA by Intel 945GM. My question is, it will work fine with debian etch on it? |
| 10:36.43 | whazilla | what do i do with xauth to get my remote desk going ? |
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| 10:37.01 | cydork | BleSS: aah it lacks the listing option. |
| 10:37.08 | sobersabre | Loopi: there's a site named "linux on laptops" it has a list of what machines are supported and what to do to make it work. |
| 10:37.08 | war | sobersabre: ok :) |
| 10:37.11 | sobersabre | google it up. |
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| 10:37.29 | k33k | can someone help ? |
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| 10:37.37 | Loopi | sobersabre: ok, thanks |
| 10:37.38 | sobersabre | k33k: yes. someone can help. |
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| 10:37.54 | k33k | Failed to fetch http://........../t/tzdata/tzdata_2007f-4_all.deb 404 Not Found ; whwere ...... is the link to the rep. this is my probby sobersabre |
| 10:38.27 | sobersabre | k33k: you probably use a bad mirror. |
| 10:38.30 | sobersabre | use a better one. |
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| 10:38.41 | k33k | can you provide me with a sources list for debian etch 4.0 |
| 10:38.41 | Eulex | k33k, tried apt-get update-ing? |
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| 10:38.52 | k33k | yes i did Eulex |
| 10:38.57 | k33k | didnt work |
| 10:39.04 | Eulex | !mirrors |
| 10:39.05 | dpkg | somebody said debian mirrors was http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
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| 10:39.36 | sobersabre | k33k: if you're looking for the fastest mirror, there's a nice package named netselect-apt |
| 10:39.46 | sobersabre | it reports the fastest mirror to you. |
| 10:39.52 | war | sobersabre: I play around with sw raid stuff a lot , kind of obsessed ;P |
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| 10:40.21 | Kumbi | YAY GUYS |
| 10:40.24 | Kumbi | X works |
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| 10:40.33 | Kumbi | but its in a ugly sort of way |
| 10:40.36 | K_Dallas | Hi guys! First of thanks for the help I got to setup my video adaptor on an old Dell Optiplex. Q: How could I make the new configuration for XORG effective without having to reboot? Thanks! |
| 10:40.38 | sobersabre | war: do you also share your data via samba ? |
| 10:41.03 | sobersabre | to AD clients ... ? |
| 10:41.09 | Kumbi | hey |
| 10:41.14 | Kumbi | what is a lightweight window manager? |
| 10:41.20 | Eulex | K_Dallas, restart Xorg? |
| 10:41.41 | K_Dallas | Eulex, evidently, but could you please let me know how? |
| 10:41.41 | k33k | sobersabre, im acctually looking for a mirror with tzdata on it |
| 10:41.42 | k33k | :( |
| 10:41.51 | Eulex | K_Dallas, are you using a display manager? |
| 10:42.06 | K_Dallas | Eulex, i think it is installed, GDM |
| 10:42.27 | Eulex | K_Dallas, then you could either press ctrl-alt-backspace or run /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
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| 10:42.56 | test__ | firefox dosent support loading current page when ctrl+n or ctrl+t right? |
| 10:42.57 | K_Dallas | Eulex, thanks a lot. As i said last night, i am a bit rusty with my linux. thanks again |
| 10:43.43 | K_Dallas | test_, ctrl-n opens a new window |
| 10:43.50 | K_Dallas | ctrl-t a new tab |
| 10:44.06 | K_Dallas | to refresh, i usually do F5 |
| 10:45.17 | JosefAssad | Kumbi: http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=lightweight+window+manager&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 |
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| 10:48.07 | war | sobersabre: not to AD clients |
| 10:48.13 | war | sobersabre: but I use samba ya |
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| 10:48.28 | war | sobersabre: imo samba is slow |
| 10:48.34 | war | sobersabre: FTP I get 120MB/s over gigabit |
| 10:48.40 | BleSS | bash: which is the option to autocomplete in the history line? I don't mean TAB else Re-pag |
| 10:48.41 | war | sobersabre: samba 80MB/s with 100MB/s bursts |
| 10:48.43 | BleSS | you write a command as: cat [press re-pag] and it shows the firs coincidence in the history line |
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| 10:49.22 | test__ | K_Dallas, it dosent open the new window on the website i was before |
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| 10:53.54 | K_Dallas | test_, well you could, i guess, always have a look at: about:config (type it in the address bar) . I tested them on both stable and alpha versions and the result was the same |
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| 10:55.59 | bobrunsen | if $h_X-Spam-Status contains "Yes" |
| 10:56.05 | bobrunsen | Whats wrong with that in an exim filter file? |
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| 11:01.22 | hopper | When I use a squid proxy that I configured with links I get the request sent confirmation but it never loads the page. What could be the problem? |
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| 11:01.38 | hopper | It works fine without the proxy |
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| 11:07.12 | wols | hopper: misconfigued squid, what else |
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| 11:07.23 | eBlue | is it worth to install Lenny on my laptop? |
| 11:07.26 | newtie | hey to everybody |
| 11:07.42 | newtie | want to setup the text based server! |
| 11:07.48 | hopper | wols, yea looking at configs now...but where :P |
| 11:08.03 | JosefAssad | eBlue: no, Lenny is too expensive IMO. USD 300 for an OS? Give me etch any day |
| 11:08.41 | PingFloyd | eBlue: I would got with etch/stable unless you're experienced with Debian |
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| 11:09.06 | sepski | eBlue, what PingFloyd said |
| 11:09.12 | abrotman | newtie: and ? |
| 11:09.22 | rumpl | what's lenny? |
| 11:09.27 | wols | abrotman: he wants us to do it for him |
| 11:09.28 | wols | !lenny |
| 11:09.28 | dpkg | i guess lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. Lenny is the binoculars. ask me about <etch->lenny> |
| 11:09.30 | PingFloyd | rumpl: it's testing |
| 11:09.31 | abrotman | rumpl: next release after etch |
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| 11:09.41 | rumpl | thanks. |
| 11:10.05 | eBlue | used to have a debian install in the old days but i had some problems with it, now i hope to go back to debian and see the newlly integrated kernel |
| 11:10.09 | abrotman | wols: he didn't say that yet! |
| 11:10.20 | eBlue | i'd like to use debian if possbile rather then ubuntu |
| 11:10.41 | sepski | eBlue, start with etch |
| 11:10.42 | wols | abrotman: with a question like that? are you new around here? |
| 11:10.52 | eBlue | sepski: ok |
| 11:11.00 | abrotman | wols: can i mix woody and sid? |
| 11:11.10 | eBlue | sepski: i'll get a net install |
| 11:11.20 | sepski | eBlue, since it's easy to upgrade etch->lenny, but a pain to lenny->etch :) |
| 11:11.24 | cydork | abrotman: sure you can :) |
| 11:11.28 | wols | abrotman: yes. bombs are a great thing to have |
| 11:11.28 | sepski | eBlue, good choise |
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| 11:12.00 | JosefAssad | eBlue: for what it's worth, etch did just fine on my lappy. |
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| 11:12.49 | zorglu_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:12.52 | eBlue | JosefAssad: i have an HP, and previous version did not want to start my cpu fan, it was going to be a hot evening :) |
| 11:12.59 | abrotman | zorglu_: what's your actual question ? |
| 11:13.10 | JosefAssad | eBlue: I assume you modprobedthe fan module? |
| 11:13.16 | zorglu_ | abrotman: how do they perform the http download |
| 11:13.22 | eBlue | JosefAssad: yup |
| 11:13.26 | sepski | zorglu_, if you have a problem with apt-get it would be wise to write a bug report, instead of bugging them on irc |
| 11:13.34 | abrotman | zorglu_: you can't read the code? |
| 11:13.38 | SoulChild | Hey all. I use etch on my notebook, how can i remove this message at boot: "Not starting the superserver: no services enabled"??? |
| 11:13.45 | JosefAssad | eBlue: what kind of error did that throw at you? |
| 11:13.47 | eBlue | JosefAssad: and then some, researched on forums etc etc... fan was dead... but this was some time ago |
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| 11:14.02 | abrotman | zorglu_: you could maybe use trace to find out .. |
| 11:14.05 | JosefAssad | eBlue: the fan was dead or the code running it? |
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| 11:14.42 | zorglu_ | sepski: abrotman: ok thanks for the suggestion. so not aware of a channel where apt-get dev hang around ? |
| 11:14.44 | eBlue | JosefAssad: the fan is good, i'm running ubunt u with success :) |
| 11:14.50 | abrotman | zorglu_: it's a team |
| 11:15.01 | SoulChild | How can i remove the supersever ? |
| 11:15.03 | zorglu_ | abrotman: sure but are they on irc |
| 11:15.07 | SoulChild | How can i remove the superserver ? |
| 11:15.14 | nvz | SoulChild: first of all, shut up |
| 11:15.15 | abrotman | zorglu_: i don't know who is on the team .. but i presume somewhere |
| 11:15.21 | nvz | SoulChild: second, stop using fuzzy logic |
| 11:15.22 | zorglu_ | abrotman: ok thanks |
| 11:15.30 | SoulChild | nvz: ??? |
| 11:15.34 | eBlue | anyway i'll be on my way, clinging to another AP, to download netinst |
| 11:15.36 | eBlue | buh bye |
| 11:15.37 | nvz | SoulChild: you don't want to remove the error, you want to fix the problem |
| 11:15.48 | wols | SoulChild: why you'd want to remove it? |
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| 11:16.05 | wols | SoulChild: besieds, it's no error |
| 11:16.06 | nvz | SoulChild: you don't want to repeat questions either just cause you made a typo, we're not stupid |
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| 11:16.20 | SoulChild | wols: cause i get a warning at boot that it has not be started, so i think i don't need it |
| 11:16.31 | nvz | fuzzy logic |
| 11:16.52 | nvz | thats like me chopping my dick off cause I don't have a girlfriend |
| 11:17.06 | SoulChild | nvz: Okay man calm down, i am a newbie ,.. okay,... don't let me leave this channel thinking, DAMN, what problem did this guy have ? |
| 11:17.08 | infester | hahahaha |
| 11:17.10 | wols | nvz: won't help. you need to chop the testicles |
| 11:17.11 | abrotman | well .. he left |
| 11:17.11 | JosefAssad | heh |
| 11:17.20 | nvz | wols: heh my point exactly |
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| 11:17.37 | abrotman | nvz: no .. really .. we're begging you .. chop them off |
| 11:17.43 | nvz | abrotman: heh |
| 11:18.04 | nvz | abrotman: no way, they're growing sperms for my emo g/f |
| 11:18.13 | wols | !tell SoulChild about rcconf |
| 11:18.38 | JosefAssad | welcome to #debian. Self-castration discussions are fine, just don't mention Shutleworth's distro. |
| 11:19.04 | abrotman | JosefAssad: ah .. you've been reading the guidelines i see ... |
| 11:19.15 | nvz | who the hell is Shutleworth, and why should I care |
| 11:19.21 | JosefAssad | abrotman: yes, and if you give me a second I'll have that butter knife for nvz |
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| 11:19.35 | nvz | JosefAssad: ugh, butter knife? |
| 11:19.37 | abrotman | nvz: the guy that owns ubuntu company type thing |
| 11:19.37 | JosefAssad | bit rusty; sorry old chap |
| 11:19.55 | nvz | abrotman: ah, that would fit into the why I don't care category |
| 11:20.00 | abrotman | yep |
| 11:20.04 | SoulChild | wols: thank you |
| 11:20.21 | abrotman | though he did own Thawte at one time .. which is how he made his millions |
| 11:20.28 | abrotman | or part of how |
| 11:20.41 | nvz | I make millions every day.. |
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| 11:20.54 | abrotman | nvz: no one cares about your sperm |
| 11:20.58 | nvz | hah |
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| 11:21.01 | cydork | heh |
| 11:21.02 | nvz | you knew what I meant |
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| 11:21.40 | SoulChild | no |
| 11:21.50 | SoulChild | ohh yes yes |
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| 11:22.23 | SoulChild | i love u guys |
| 11:22.25 | SoulChild | :) |
| 11:22.29 | nvz | man I am ready for breakfast cause I got up too damn early.. and I still got like an hour or two to wait |
| 11:22.33 | abrotman | kind of like the pharmacy person .. counting your meds |
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| 11:23.49 | nvz | JosefAssad: as long as you're not picturing it realistically.. heh |
| 11:24.06 | JosefAssad | nvz: shhh. I'm almost done with the painting |
| 11:24.11 | nvz | heh |
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| 11:25.14 | JosefAssad | gotta love how people go like "Excuse me, I am using the cvs version of the development branch of incredibly-bloated-project and I have a problem which ruined my day". Yes, I'm subscribed to the evolution mailing list |
| 11:25.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ugh...evolution. Gotta hate it. |
| 11:25.44 | Dark_Apostrophe | KMail is more than enough for me. |
| 11:25.48 | JosefAssad | kmail corrupted my mail once. Never trusted K since |
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| 11:25.56 | JosefAssad | irretrievably. |
| 11:26.11 | wols | JosefAssad: do you know what a backup is? |
| 11:26.18 | nvz | I know, opposable thumbs...etc.. damn evolution :P |
| 11:26.30 | JosefAssad | wols: Yes. How do you think I learned that? |
| 11:26.33 | tralala | JosefAssad, when something like this happens you have two options: a) never trust/use software again; b) starting doing backups |
| 11:26.39 | roxy_ | evolution is a thin |
| 11:27.28 | JosefAssad | wols: 2 kinds of people. Those who back up, and those who haven't lost data yet |
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| 11:27.31 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: not really in the same class |
| 11:27.38 | Cyorxamp | What kind of WebFTP-like apps come in the debian repository? |
| 11:27.41 | nvz | s/lots/lost/ |
| 11:27.42 | jazbo2185 | If I run `rdiff-backup remoteserver:foo/ local/folder` how long should I have to wait before data starts to transfer? 'cause i've been waiting 8 hours now and so far nothing has transfered... |
| 11:27.44 | JosefAssad | nvz: porn can always be redownloaded :p |
| 11:27.46 | jazbo2185 | _and_ even though nothing is transfering, it slows the network connection on the local machine down to a crawl. WTF |
| 11:27.52 | abrotman | Cyorxamp: what is WebFTP ? |
| 11:27.59 | nvz | JosefAssad: haha.. all the more reason not to d/l it in the first place |
| 11:28.02 | Cyorxamp | think of WebMail but for FTP |
| 11:28.02 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: Exactly. Nowhere near as bloated. |
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| 11:28.15 | PingFloyd | there's the third too, those that haven't lost data because they backup |
| 11:28.16 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: uhm .. kmail doesn't have nearly the features |
| 11:28.17 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: Nor does it have that nasty GTK UI. |
| 11:28.17 | JosefAssad | nvz: true :) |
| 11:28.26 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: try comparing Kmail to Balsa |
| 11:28.33 | Dark_Apostrophe | Never heard of Balsa. |
| 11:28.39 | SaintJimmy | for give permision at file? i don't want become root to change it..ù |
| 11:28.44 | JosefAssad | I had to use evolution because I have to use an exchange account for work. Pity me |
| 11:28.48 | nvz | JosefAssad: besides, you'd be hardpressed find a rare GAMP collection like mine online |
| 11:28.49 | abrotman | of course not .. typical KDE user with half the story |
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| 11:29.30 | JosefAssad | nvz: you young 'uns always coming up with new acronym fetishes. Alright, alright, I'll look it up |
| 11:29.36 | nvz | !gamp |
| 11:29.42 | abrotman | nvz: removed |
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| 11:29.45 | abrotman | ~gamp |
| 11:30.04 | apt | gamp is an ncurses-based console MP3 player for Linux. URL: http://www.cs.umn.edu/~wburdick/gamp/ |
| 11:30.04 | nvz | oh well |
| 11:30.04 | abrotman | from all bots apparently :) |
| 11:30.04 | abrotman | badgers: gamp |
| 11:30.05 | badgers | bugger all, i dunno, abrotman |
| 11:30.05 | abrotman | damn PP |
| 11:30.09 | abrotman | wtf |
| 11:30.11 | nvz | I heard GAMP is gay asian midget pr0n |
| 11:30.19 | JosefAssad | jesus dude |
| 11:30.27 | abrotman | nvz: botsnack |
| 11:30.32 | tralala | hehe |
| 11:30.38 | Cyorxamp | lol |
| 11:30.40 | nvz | aw gee, abrotman |
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| 11:31.04 | nvz | ~person |
| 11:31.16 | apt | person is probably like a bot, but squishier, or a meat popscicle |
| 11:31.16 | abrotman | Cyorxamp: what is WebFTP |
| 11:31.16 | Cyorxamp | 12:27pm <<Cyorxamp>> think of WebMail but for FTP |
| 11:31.16 | abrotman | like nvz, but with a girlfriend |
| 11:31.25 | nvz | abrotman: heh |
| 11:31.27 | JosefAssad | nvz: the goodnews is, with a fetish like that you won't have very much competition for the object of your desires |
| 11:31.30 | jazbo2185 | Has anyone actually gotten rdiff-backup to work lately? |
| 11:31.33 | abrotman | Cyorxamp: but most browsers can do that ... |
| 11:31.38 | abrotman | Cyorxamp: or you mean upload too ? |
| 11:31.44 | Cyorxamp | abrotman: upload as well |
| 11:31.48 | nvz | JosefAssad: hah.. competition wouldnt stand a chance |
| 11:32.01 | abrotman | Cyorxamp: .. i know Nautilus can do that .. Filezilla exists for Debian .. |
| 11:32.04 | Cyorxamp | its a term I'm only just hearing about - but it'd be nice to have one to go with squirrelmail |
| 11:32.14 | Cyorxamp | for those that are ftp illiterate |
| 11:32.16 | nvz | besides, I got a fetish for only one thing.. my sine cera |
| 11:32.45 | abrotman | Cyorxamp: but i'm not aware of any webapp packaged in debian that can do it |
| 11:32.54 | Cyorxamp | okey dokey I'll just google for one then |
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| 11:34.40 | JosefAssad | Cyorxamp: http://www.smoothftp.com/cgi-bin/smoothftp/index.cgi <--- Who says you need to apt-get anything? :) |
| 11:34.57 | Cyorxamp | its just easier :D |
| 11:35.07 | Cyorxamp | I got squirrelmail working in like 2 seconds with apt-get |
| 11:35.21 | nvz | so is suicide, but you don't see me ... |
| 11:35.28 | JosefAssad | heh |
| 11:35.28 | wols | Cyorxamp: phpgroupware-ftp |
| 11:35.39 | nvz | heh |
| 11:35.41 | abrotman | nvz: yeah .. god hates me |
| 11:35.42 | Cyorxamp | see... they all come outa the wood work now |
| 11:35.45 | Cyorxamp | any more names? |
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| 11:36.10 | JosefAssad | Cyorxamp: It isn't like we're withholding package names from you, you know :) |
| 11:36.19 | Cyorxamp | oh I know :D |
| 11:36.28 | wols | JosefAssad: speak for yourself |
| 11:36.30 | nvz | abrotman: na, if he hated you, you'd be a triple minority, like a gay, black, woman or something |
| 11:36.31 | JosefAssad | nvz might be, but the rest of us aren't |
| 11:36.35 | Cyorxamp | but first of it was like - 'what on earth is webftp?' |
| 11:36.48 | abrotman | nvz: i meant that he hasn't answered my prayers about you committing suicide :) |
| 11:37.03 | wols | abrotman: try another god then |
| 11:37.19 | abrotman | wols: or do it myself damn it! |
| 11:37.21 | wols | so many to choose from, one of them might take pity on you and not on nvz |
| 11:37.27 | nvz | abrotman: heh, no way.. gotta have babies with sine cera first :P |
| 11:37.32 | Ronin | abrotman: which god? theres only a couple dozen or more |
| 11:37.34 | JosefAssad | package churchfsm provides: god-base |
| 11:38.05 | abrotman | Cyorxamp: well .. yeah .. you could also try apt-cache search |
| 11:38.17 | abrotman | Ronin: Bob |
| 11:38.23 | Cyorxamp | I thought of that - but no one seems to use the term 'webftp' it seems |
| 11:38.27 | Cyorxamp | not caught on all too well |
| 11:38.41 | abrotman | Cyorxamp: apt-cache search web ftp |
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| 11:39.17 | Cyorxamp | only a few billion results |
| 11:39.24 | Cyorxamp | mostly unrelated - but I'll sift through them |
| 11:40.01 | nvz | JosefAssad: package god-base depends on blind-faith >= 0.1.0-dfsg2, which conflicts with common-sense 1.3.1 |
| 11:40.04 | abrotman | Cyorxamp: you can add more terms to get better results |
| 11:40.07 | wols | abrotman: I used ftp php on the grounds that you need server side scripting |
| 11:40.11 | jazbo2185 | Is this command at least correct??? `rdiff-backup foo@192.168.0.3::/home/foo /home/foo/backup/bar/` |
| 11:40.29 | abrotman | wols: that's evil! |
| 11:40.43 | JosefAssad | nvz: yes, but if the ubuntu experiment has taught us anything it is that linux can install without common-sense |
| 11:40.45 | wols | abrotman: just pray some more and it won't matter |
| 11:40.46 | abrotman | oh look .. jazbo2185 is trying to ask a real question .. how cute |
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| 11:41.24 | abrotman | jazbo2185: there aren't any samples in the docs ? |
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| 11:42.31 | JosefAssad | dammit, 244 kB |
| 11:42.40 | nvz | ugh I am gonna go make an unsatisfying breakfast tide-me-over by time I make it to dennys and actually get some food, I'll be too hungry to actually taste it as I inhale |
| 11:42.45 | Kumbi | how do i start gnome in debian |
| 11:43.11 | nvz | Kumbi: install gdm |
| 11:43.18 | nvz | it will do it for you :P |
| 11:43.22 | abrotman | jazbo2185: there aren't any samples in the docs ? |
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| 11:43.34 | abrotman | nvz: no Dennys ? |
| 11:43.43 | abrotman | gnome-session |
| 11:44.08 | Kumbi | gdm is installed |
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| 11:44.16 | jazbo2185 | abrotman: yeah, there are and I think i'm doing it right... |
| 11:44.17 | JosefAssad | jazbo2185: looks right to me. Does it fail somewhere? |
| 11:44.32 | jazbo2185 | JosefAssad: transfers a few k and then nothing |
| 11:44.52 | fantomas | hi. I have problem configuring UTF-8 console. Previously I used KOI8-R console, where I switched using console-cyrillic package. Now I want to move to UTF-8, but console-cyrillic makes things worng: after reconfiguring it with new settings I can't type russian letters clearly (they are outputed with some additional symbols, weird) and Midnight Commander has layout totally broken.. |
| 11:45.23 | JosefAssad | jazbo2185: I forgot to install ssh-server. Hang on |
| 11:45.24 | fantomas | + without russian letters |
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| 11:45.41 | nvz | abrotman: not till 9am, and since I'm not taking a black person that means I won't eat untill like 10 |
| 11:46.02 | abrotman | uh |
| 11:46.10 | JosefAssad | fantomas: might want to check that your font has cyryllic characters |
| 11:46.22 | nvz | I'm not racist, I just noticed they serve black people faster :P |
| 11:46.32 | nvz | I'm a realist.. I call it like I see it |
| 11:46.47 | JosefAssad | jazbo2185: I am afraid I cannot duplicate your problem |
| 11:46.55 | abrotman | nvz: that's right ... world is out to get you |
| 11:47.20 | Saint-Takeshi | nvz: fair play....not really a topic for in here, though, is it? |
| 11:47.25 | nvz | abrotman: of course.. nobody likes italians in america :P |
| 11:47.36 | tralala | or in europe |
| 11:47.40 | JosefAssad | jazbo2185: try it with --terminal-verbosity 9 |
| 11:47.48 | abrotman | nvz: you're not italian .. you're yinzer |
| 11:47.53 | nvz | Saint-Takeshi: heh, fair play? thats frowned upon any time you got groups this large |
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| 11:48.15 | JosefAssad | nvz: ah, sei italiano. Adesso capito questa storia di GAMP :p |
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| 11:48.35 | abrotman | JosefAssad: he's not really italian! |
| 11:48.51 | nvz | abrotman: hah.. yeah I was born in Sewickley, you have to go back a generation or two to find real italians |
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| 11:49.02 | JosefAssad | abrotman: he's an impostor to boot? Figures |
| 11:49.09 | nvz | but this area is highly populated by italian decendants |
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| 11:50.14 | abrotman | nvz: and polish |
| 11:50.19 | abrotman | and irish |
| 11:50.23 | nvz | JosefAssad: the story with the GAMP is one of #debian |
| 11:50.45 | nvz | more specifically Penix |
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| 11:51.14 | JosefAssad | gah, work is calling... |
| 11:51.18 | nvz | I only know one polish family, and I'm going to breakfast with their cheap ass |
| 11:51.28 | nvz | and the wife is really polish |
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| 11:51.52 | Sazpaimon | hey, how do I determine which program is using a specific port |
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| 11:51.58 | nvz | believe me you can tell even if you don't know her.. heh |
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| 11:52.29 | nvz | hairy and smells like butter and watered down beer mixed with BO |
| 11:52.40 | nvz | ugh i am being racist :P |
| 11:52.50 | wols | Sazpaimon: netstat -anp |grep name of program |
| 11:53.28 | JosefAssad | killall -HUP nvz && /opt/nvz --strip-prejudices |
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| 11:53.55 | roxy_ | I got this message: ../linux_bin/am_build_apm: error while loading shared libraries: libqt-mt.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 11:54.08 | nvz | E: nothing to talk about |
| 11:54.13 | roxy_ | and ldd gives: libqt-mt.so.3 => not found |
| 11:54.14 | JosefAssad | heh |
| 11:54.16 | nvz | heh |
| 11:54.22 | JosefAssad | ENOTOPICSLEFT |
| 11:54.29 | roxy_ | however: ii libqt3-mt 3.3.7-4 Qt GUI Library (Threaded runtime version), V |
| 11:54.30 | nvz | yeah seriously |
| 11:54.38 | roxy_ | with the file in /usr/lib ... |
| 11:54.49 | roxy_ | what can I do ? |
| 11:55.06 | nvz | I weigh my whole character on travelling around describing cultural differences |
| 11:55.29 | JosefAssad | nvz: I'm a Dane living in the Middle East. I can probably outdo you in that regard :) |
| 11:55.43 | nvz | I don't consider myself racist or prejudice.. I don't hate this people, I just enjoy talking about em, sometimes making jokes |
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| 11:56.48 | roxy_ | (everthing was install with aptitude) |
| 11:57.04 | wols | roxy_: you need the -dev files |
| 11:57.10 | roxy_ | wols: thanks |
| 11:57.17 | nvz | Like that bus Driver in St Louis.. i still crack up when I recall him saying New York City. |
| 11:57.18 | abrotman | nvz: don't worry .. we've already labeled you :) |
| 11:57.36 | nvz | abrotman: great.. sometimes I make ignorant jokes just for that reason |
| 11:57.53 | abrotman | nvz: i just want to know what size dress you wear |
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| 11:58.14 | nvz | abrotman: usually its male/penis jokes toward women I dont like though.. |
| 11:58.23 | JosefAssad | roxy_: ldconfig -v | grep libqt-mt |
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| 11:58.43 | nvz | abrotman: hmm.. not sure how those even go.. and how do I factor in not having boobs? |
| 11:59.01 | JosefAssad | nvz doesn'þ have boobs? I'm not talking to nvz anymore then |
| 11:59.12 | wols | nvz: nothing a little estrogen couldn't fix |
| 11:59.16 | JosefAssad | what a disappointment |
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| 11:59.27 | nvz | abrotman: as far as pants go I'd be a size 7 I guess if I wanted it to fit snug and show off my ass.. 9 if I wanted em to be loose and baggy |
| 11:59.33 | roxy_ | wols: same result |
| 11:59.35 | nvz | heh |
| 11:59.54 | abrotman | roxy_: you have libqt-mt3 and libqt-mt3-dev installed ? |
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| 12:00.11 | roxy_ | JosefAssad: http://rafb.net/p/ghlp4i75.html |
| 12:00.14 | roxy_ | abrotman: yes |
| 12:00.19 | abrotman | !find libqt-mt.so.3 etch |
| 12:00.26 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libqt-mt.so.3' (2): (/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3.3.7) in libdevel/qt-x11-free-dbg ;; (/usr/share/qt3/lib/{libqt-mt.so.3|libqt-mt.so.3.3}, /usr/lib/{libqt-mt.so.3|libqt-mt.so.3.3|libqt-mt.so.3.3.7}) in libs/libqt3-mt. |
| 12:00.28 | nvz | wols: yeah I considered that.. seems hormone therapy causes cancer |
| 12:00.41 | JosefAssad | right, so ld sees the lib |
| 12:00.49 | abrotman | ah .. a symblink might be needed |
| 12:00.51 | abrotman | -b |
| 12:01.21 | nvz | wols: of course thats not the only reason I dont become a woman.. its also not easy to reverse.. and I'd only want to do it out of curiousity to see a different point of view.. I'd want to switch back I'm sure |
| 12:01.34 | sobersabre | war: u there still ? |
| 12:01.37 | nvz | heh |
| 12:01.38 | jazbo2185 | JosefAssad: have any luck with rdiff-backup? |
| 12:01.45 | abrotman | !tell sobersabre about u |
| 12:01.55 | JosefAssad | jazbo2185: I had asked you earlier to run it with --terminal-verbosity 9 |
| 12:02.07 | JosefAssad | jazbo2185: that gives you maximum verbosity so you can see what goes wrong where |
| 12:02.11 | JosefAssad | sorry, have to ru |
| 12:02.13 | JosefAssad | run* |
| 12:02.17 | abrotman | JosefAssad: is there a --terminal-velocity ? |
| 12:02.31 | JosefAssad | abrotman: I know, I thought it was a cute argument also |
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| 12:02.53 | nvz | sure.. |
| 12:02.58 | wols | abrotman: we don't know. why don't you test it. if you manage to crack your head on your terminal, you proved there is |
| 12:03.18 | abrotman | what if i just break the terminal ? |
| 12:03.23 | wols | it will give you immoortality. Darwin Awards always need applicants |
| 12:03.35 | wols | then you have to buy a new one of course and try again |
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| 12:03.48 | xNinja | hello stable OS :D |
| 12:04.05 | xNinja | should i say stable easy free OS ?:P |
| 12:04.06 | abrotman | wols: i'd have to get one of those big heavy trinitron tubes :) |
| 12:04.07 | wols | nvz: but mine doesn't require any effort on my part. terminals are expesnive and abrotman not worth it |
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| 12:04.31 | Kumbi | hey wols |
| 12:04.38 | Kumbi | i got gdm but no gnome lol |
| 12:04.51 | wols | !install gnome |
| 12:04.51 | dpkg | To install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
| 12:04.54 | nvz | wols: eh, I don't consider his worth.. after all, its hard to carve a penny |
| 12:04.58 | Kumbi | hey if you startx without a window manager you get the ugly checkered dots background and a little xterm |
| 12:05.02 | Kumbi | what is that window manager called |
| 12:05.34 | nvz | Kumbi: its called xterm |
| 12:05.39 | nvz | Kumbi: there is no wm |
| 12:05.43 | DA_ | Kumbi: thatd be, no window manager :p (it thinks xterm is your window manager) |
| 12:05.49 | nvz | Kumbi: you have to start one from the xterm |
| 12:05.50 | roxy_ | abrotman: what symblink ? |
| 12:05.51 | war | sobersabre: sort of |
| 12:05.54 | wols | nvz: you are a typical american: Shooting a 1 million dollar missile to kill a freedom fighter worth 200$ |
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| 12:06.08 | wols | or in your case a hundred dollar terminal to eliminate a penny's worth |
| 12:06.20 | Kumbi | you guys used twm? |
| 12:06.29 | nvz | wols: if fire fighters fight fire, and crime fighters fight crime, what do freedom fighters fight? |
| 12:06.42 | wols | yes, but I doubt you will be happy with it Kumbi |
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| 12:06.52 | Kumbi | it's so 1980-ish |
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| 12:07.08 | wols | nvz: they all fight occupation forces |
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| 12:07.19 | abrotman | jeremyb: a lot more people for starters |
| 12:07.22 | nvz | wols: I'd sacrifice more than a million of this countries money to get some of the "Freedom fighters" in our govt bombed :P |
| 12:07.26 | PrMoriarty | Hello i need some information about ntpdate |
| 12:07.29 | wols | if you be happier s/freedom fighters/partisans/ |
| 12:07.29 | sobersabre | war: ... what software tweaks are to bring the most increase of performance ? |
| 12:07.38 | sobersabre | mkfs with proper blocksize ? |
| 12:07.42 | PrMoriarty | how can know the number of connextion by ntpdat? |
| 12:07.48 | sobersabre | tweaks of swappiness ? |
| 12:07.57 | sobersabre | memory speed ? memory amount ? |
| 12:07.58 | jeremyb | abrotman: doesn't DNS still go to oftc? |
| 12:08.00 | abrotman | PrMoriarty: you mean the port number .. or the number of outgoing connections ? |
| 12:08.03 | wols | PrMoriarty: numbers of connections? |
| 12:08.04 | PrMoriarty | can find in the config file anuthing about it |
| 12:08.05 | wols | jeremyb: yes |
| 12:08.08 | abrotman | jeremyb: irc.debian.org does |
| 12:08.14 | PrMoriarty | the number of outgoing connections |
| 12:08.20 | wols | PrMoriarty: 1? |
| 12:08.32 | wols | why would it use more than one? |
| 12:08.36 | sobersabre | I currently have 1G of memory, which seems to be enough for a fileserver with no X. |
| 12:08.38 | PrMoriarty | cause i think it s automaticly outgoing to update no? |
| 12:08.50 | war | sobersabre: mainly sys and proc vars |
| 12:08.50 | dani | what is the difference between netinst businesscard and normal netinst? one has 40mb and one has 165 mb |
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| 12:08.54 | war | sobersabre: otehr ones too |
| 12:08.59 | war | sobersabre: you got to google to find them all |
| 12:09.01 | wols | PrMoriarty: It only updates when you run it. no automatic |
| 12:09.02 | nvz | I am gonna open a coffee shop and call it that |
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| 12:09.04 | sobersabre | war: ok, is it described in the |
| 12:09.07 | PrMoriarty | OHHH |
| 12:09.09 | abrotman | dani: one requires the internet .. the other has enough to get it installed |
| 12:09.10 | PrMoriarty | ok i dunno that |
| 12:09.12 | sobersabre | "getting started with xfs" book ? |
| 12:09.12 | _Rubyxx | nvz: both sides of a conflict are normally 'freedom fighters', so the term doesn't mean much |
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| 12:09.22 | PrMoriarty | but i can use crontab for auto |
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| 12:09.24 | PrMoriarty | coool |
| 12:09.27 | PrMoriarty | thank ou |
| 12:09.28 | roxy_ | abrotman: I believe you know how to solve my libqt-mt problem. Could you give me a hand ? |
| 12:09.30 | wols | eBlue: businesscard needs to fetch the base system via network. netinstall comes with it |
| 12:09.30 | PrMoriarty | thankyou |
| 12:09.35 | eBlue | PrMoriarty: wrong. both are netinstalls |
| 12:09.39 | war | sobersabre: doubt it |
| 12:09.42 | abrotman | roxy_: try making a symlink .. i think |
| 12:09.53 | eBlue | wols: auch: thx i'll take regula netinst ;) |
| 12:09.56 | PrMoriarty | ..... |
| 12:09.58 | PrMoriarty | Ok |
| 12:09.58 | sobersabre | war: so, larger buffers is the way to go ? |
| 12:10.03 | PrMoriarty | but what is ntpd so? |
| 12:10.04 | abrotman | roxy_: updatedb && locate libqt-mt.so.3 .. get anything ? |
| 12:10.06 | war | sobersabre: google is your friend ;) |
| 12:10.07 | PrMoriarty | it s a deamon |
| 12:10.09 | nvz | _Rubyxx: yeah tell that to George "Bring Em On" Bush |
| 12:10.13 | wols | PrMoriarty: ntpd is a ntp server |
| 12:10.22 | abrotman | sobersabre: who the hell are you talking to ? |
| 12:10.32 | abrotman | oh |
| 12:10.34 | abrotman | duh |
| 12:10.36 | _Rubyxx | lol |
| 12:11.08 | roxy_ | abrotman: the link has always been there: http://rafb.net/p/dpHcXk91.html |
| 12:11.22 | PrMoriarty | and how it run? is the ntpd server give time for the client? or it s the client coming to the server for getting time? |
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| 12:11.27 | roxy_ | abrotman: I am updatedb atm |
| 12:11.37 | abrotman | roxy_: and does libqt-mt.so.3.3.7 exist ? |
| 12:11.43 | cast | running ntpd over ntpdate in cron is a bit more prefered, that way you don't get jumps in your time continuity |
| 12:11.44 | abrotman | doh . nm |
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| 12:11.53 | sobersabre | abrotman: myself ;-] |
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| 12:12.13 | abrotman | roxy_: try running ldconfig |
| 12:12.39 | nvz | I should give contacts a try.. but then again I think wearing glasses is sometimes more important to me than seeing clearly |
| 12:12.48 | sobersabre | war: googling etc. it is a tedious thing to do with deadline in mind. |
| 12:12.55 | nvz | though I lost both pairs of them, so imagine what I'd do with contacts |
| 12:13.03 | war | sobersabre: then just use defaults |
| 12:13.07 | roxy_ | abrotman: did that alreadyt |
| 12:13.45 | sobersabre | war: I've found about kio buffers/kio cluster... |
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| 12:13.57 | abrotman | roxy_: is it looking for that .so. somewhere else ? |
| 12:14.02 | wols | sobersabre: how fast is the network interface for this fileserver? |
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| 12:14.20 | biatche | does anybody have an example rules of a multi-wan iptables forwarding setup? |
| 12:14.26 | war | sobersabre: past 120MB/s does it matter ? |
| 12:14.35 | war | sobersabre: for your needs |
| 12:15.12 | abrotman | !iptables |
| 12:15.12 | dpkg | well, iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450 |
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| 12:16.32 | CharminTheMoose | is debian the only distro that gives it's users edited binaries of original source? |
| 12:16.48 | jeremyb | what do you mean? |
| 12:17.11 | roxy_ | abrotman: http://rafb.net/p/jgXiby22.html |
| 12:17.17 | tralala | CharminTheMoose, every distro has custom patches |
| 12:17.29 | CharminTheMoose | really? |
| 12:17.35 | CharminTheMoose | ooooooooh right! |
| 12:17.42 | tralala | debian is one of the distros that interfere least with the upstream sources |
| 12:18.11 | PrMoriarty | but in fact tought when i start the daemon ntpd he will automaticly set the good time up |
| 12:18.13 | CharminTheMoose | tralala, which'd interfere most? |
| 12:18.28 | Kumbi | how do i start gnome in X |
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| 12:18.32 | wols | PrMoriarty: it will |
| 12:18.33 | abrotman | roxy_: and your /etc/ld.so.conf file has the include for that dir ? |
| 12:18.36 | PrMoriarty | yeah |
| 12:18.40 | roxy_ | abrotman: yes |
| 12:18.48 | wols | Kumbi: is gnome installed? if yes, you can select it in gdm |
| 12:18.48 | tralala | CharminTheMoose, my guess would be redhat or suse |
| 12:18.52 | roxy_ | abrotman: pure debian, I haven't touch it |
| 12:19.01 | PrMoriarty | wols: so how can i know the number of out going for update time or the delay? |
| 12:19.17 | PrMoriarty | really i try the config file but didn t see anything |
| 12:19.23 | wols | PrMoriarty: what "number"? |
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| 12:19.38 | PrMoriarty | the delai betwen each outgoing |
| 12:19.39 | wols | and afaik ntpd decides on its own depending on your drift |
| 12:19.58 | PrMoriarty | wols: the delay between each outgoing |
| 12:19.59 | eBlue | ahs anyone experience in prgramming with bluez api? |
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| 12:20.34 | wols | !tell eBlue about ask |
| 12:20.35 | PrMoriarty | wols: i seen drift is a fuile |
| 12:20.38 | wols | also: wrong channel |
| 12:20.45 | PrMoriarty | wols: file* |
| 12:20.55 | PrMoriarty | wols: with the value 0.000 in |
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| 12:21.38 | wols | abrotman: someone coming in here can make everything into a problem... |
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| 12:21.44 | abrotman | heh |
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| 12:22.03 | PrMoriarty | heh |
| 12:22.05 | abrotman | roxy_: can you paste the whole output of the error ? |
| 12:22.34 | dureyes | is it possible to copy the list of radio stations on Rhythmbox music player? And can someone send it to me? |
| 12:22.39 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 12:22.51 | HardDisk_WP | i have a problem with flightgear and GTA Vice city in WINE |
| 12:23.05 | HardDisk_WP | somehow the games react as if buttons/axes are pushed |
| 12:23.13 | HardDisk_WP | but I dont have the gamepad plugged in |
| 12:23.38 | HardDisk_WP | how can I solve that? |
| 12:23.44 | cast | HardDisk_WP: can you think of any room that may have a better idea as to the answer? :) |
| 12:23.55 | HardDisk_WP | cast, nope |
| 12:23.55 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: #winehq |
| 12:24.01 | roxy_ | abrotman: http://rafb.net/p/y3Cxy739.html |
| 12:24.09 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, winehq wont solve the issue with flightgear |
| 12:24.41 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: why not ? |
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| 12:24.55 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: does the gamepad work in linux ? |
| 12:25.01 | abrotman | or whatever goofy controller it is |
| 12:25.09 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, yep, but it's plugged off |
| 12:25.11 | abrotman | roxy_: you compiled am_build_am ? |
| 12:25.17 | abrotman | erm .. build_apm |
| 12:25.27 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, i think i have some sort of "ghost" in my system |
| 12:25.34 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: oh .. very likely |
| 12:25.36 | roxy_ | abrotman: no, dowloaded it pre built |
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| 12:25.52 | abrotman | roxy_: strace ../linux_bin/am_build_apm tim_face |
| 12:26.21 | abrotman | migth need an ltrace too |
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| 12:27.50 | roxy_ | abrotman: http://rafb.net/p/lsPA2c12.html |
| 12:27.50 | YanZh | hi |
| 12:27.55 | YanZh | does anybody have an idea about this problem /dev/video0 [v4l2]: ioctl VIDIOC_S_FBUF: Operation not permitted |
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| 12:28.00 | abrotman | roxy_: if you install .. uhm .. ia32-libs or something like that .. does it work ? |
| 12:28.01 | hjubal | hi |
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| 12:28.09 | cast | roxy_: what does roxy mean, btw. i see it alot..on umm. backs of...garments |
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| 12:28.16 | YanZh | it's with xdtv |
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| 12:28.21 | abrotman | roxy_: i dont' have an amd64 box ... i don't remember the exact package name .. but it's something like that |
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| 12:29.01 | abrotman | YanZh: perms wrong ? ls -l /dev/video0 |
| 12:29.01 | roxy_ | abrotman: i ia32-libs - ia32 shared libraries for use on amd64 and ia64 systems |
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| 12:29.15 | roxy_ | cast: name of my dog |
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| 12:29.31 | jotham | hi, i need a sollution for accessing smb shares from my debian box, i have been using mount -t smbfs but if the remote pc goes down it causes all sorts of ungoodness on my local machine, is there a more elegant sollution? i'd even be happy if there was a script or something that kept track of smb mounts and if the remote end fell off, called a umount on the path, as it stands after a few months i can end up with a number of hung mount points |
| 12:29.33 | mitiii | hello, I just reinstalled lenny on my NFORCE2 box |
| 12:29.35 | abrotman | roxy_: that's the entire output of your 'strace' ? |
| 12:29.39 | mitiii | I have a sound problem |
| 12:29.45 | abrotman | roxy_: it seems that it never looks in /usr/lib/ |
| 12:29.46 | roxy_ | abrotman: no, you want it all ? |
| 12:29.57 | mitiii | that I didn't have before |
| 12:30.00 | abrotman | roxy_: at least a few lines above where you started last |
| 12:30.14 | mitiii | alasa works great after "alsaconf" |
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| 12:30.24 | mitiii | but do not work after reboot |
| 12:30.53 | mitiii | though lsmod | grep snd show me that the modules are loaded |
| 12:30.55 | abrotman | valdyn: any ideas about his sound? :) |
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| 12:31.24 | mitiii | if I relaunch alsaconf sound works again until next reboot :( |
| 12:31.29 | YanZh | abrotman it says crw-rw---- 1 root video 81, 0 2007-05-28 15:55 /dev/video0 |
| 12:31.36 | cast | mitiii: do you have two soundcards? |
| 12:31.39 | roxy_ | abrotman: http://rafb.net/p/paDILZ65.html |
| 12:31.42 | abrotman | YanZh: are you in the video group ? |
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| 12:32.09 | mitiii | cast, no but I have a tv card that appears in alsaconf |
| 12:32.11 | roxy_ | mitiii: I have the same problem for a year. I rerun alsaconf after each reboot :-) |
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| 12:32.34 | x_link | hmm |
| 12:32.40 | YanZh | abrotman i don't know, i worked and i didn't do anything special |
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| 12:32.52 | x_link | There hasn't been a single update/upgrade for a week now with Debian Testing. |
| 12:33.05 | x_link | Or yeah one, tzdata |
| 12:33.08 | abrotman | roxy_: linux-sound-base might help that |
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| 12:33.15 | Depress | Hi world. |
| 12:33.27 | mitiii | cast, if it is the same problem that when u have 2 sound card I guess I can solve it |
| 12:33.52 | mitiii | roxy_, there is solutions for the 2 sound card prob |
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| 12:34.09 | cast | mitiii: nah, my problem was different. run alsaconf select card i want, next reboot its using the damned internal! so i blacklisted the modules in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 12:34.21 | buscon | Hi, how can ping all the computer of a subnet? |
| 12:34.35 | roxy_ | mitiii: thanks, I am focusing on cv library pb atm. |
| 12:34.56 | abrotman | roxy_: add /usr/lib/ to your /etc/ld.so.conf.d/<whateverfilethatis> |
| 12:35.06 | abrotman | roxy_: tohugh .. it shouldn't need it |
| 12:35.07 | tralala | buscon, see nmap |
| 12:35.28 | buscon | tralala: ok |
| 12:35.31 | HardDisk_WP | i have a raw image of a complete disk...how do I extract the partitions? |
| 12:35.55 | abrotman | roxy_: it just doesn't seem to be looking in /usr/lib/ .. at all |
| 12:36.10 | asg | HardDisk_WP: mount it via loopback, then you can use standard filesystem tools to copy the data to where you need them. |
| 12:36.57 | HardDisk_WP | asg, mounting it via loop doesnt work, because the image is a full disk, not only a partition |
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| 12:37.18 | hjubal | I'm trying to net-install etch on hp dl320g5 but I have problems with the raid controller |
| 12:37.19 | hjubal | I created a RAID-1 array with two SATA 250GB disks, on post it detects 1 logical volume, but etch 4.0r0 installer shows /dev/sda and /dev/sdb! |
| 12:37.34 | roxy_ | abrotman: nothing change, even after running ldconfig |
| 12:38.39 | YanZh | abrotman even if i put crwxrwxrwx, xdtv tells me /dev/video0 [v4l2]: ioctl VIDIOC_S_FBUF: Operation not permittedv4l-conf: You should install me suid root, I need |
| 12:38.40 | war | hjubal: fake raids looks like that |
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| 12:38.49 | war | hjubal: real raid us hould see /dev/sda for both |
| 12:38.56 | war | hjubal: but for fakeraid you will see both volume |
| 12:38.59 | YanZh | root priviliges for the VIDIOC_S_FBUF ioctl. |
| 12:39.13 | mitiii | cast, yes that is a diferent problem unfortunately. I just launch alsaconf (so sound works) and compared with lsmod modules that were launch before and after... the module launched are the same :( |
| 12:39.27 | abrotman | roxy_: ln -s /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 /usr/lib/i486-linux-gnu/libqt-mt.so.3 |
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| 12:40.10 | hjubal | war: indeed.. OS should see just 1 drive, the logical volume |
| 12:40.12 | mitiii | roxy_, how did you solve the sound prob |
| 12:40.14 | mitiii | ? |
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| 12:41.12 | paras | channel, i did debootstarp then chrooted and installed gnome-core. is there any way to minizme the space used by gnome? |
| 12:41.23 | abrotman | !install gnome |
| 12:41.24 | dpkg | To install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
| 12:41.30 | hjubal | I'm not sure whether or not disabling hw raid |
| 12:41.34 | abrotman | seems gnome-core is the smallest metapackage |
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| 12:41.56 | roxy_ | mitiii: I didn't :-) |
| 12:42.25 | roxy_ | mitiii: I rarely reboot so don't really care |
| 12:42.53 | YanZh | does anybody have i idea for my problem please i get mad |
| 12:42.55 | mitiii | roxy_, humm was it the trouble with the 2 sound card ? |
| 12:43.11 | mitiii | alsa work fine on ubuntu |
| 12:43.29 | mitiii | so that is possible to solve... |
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| 12:46.24 | roxy_ | abrotman: I've been creating ln -s everywhere but none are found |
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| 12:47.05 | abrotman | roxy_: well .. that officially makes no sense :) |
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| 12:47.11 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 12:47.20 | gypsymauro | what's the debian way to set up timezone and date? |
| 12:47.22 | abrotman | to me anyways |
| 12:47.27 | abrotman | tzconfig |
| 12:47.28 | lamer007 | hey guys is there any known issue with pmount on etch ? like somehow the permissions of /usr/bin/pmount and pumount get changed and automount stops working ? |
| 12:47.41 | abrotman | !ntp |
| 12:47.41 | dpkg | methinks ntp is the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntpdate ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
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| 12:50.26 | _Rubyxx | Why don't the official experts here have some kind of distinguishing feature, so they are instantly recognized. |
| 12:50.29 | _Rubyxx | ? |
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| 12:50.51 | roxy_ | abrotman: info on the prog: The tools were compiled using gcc3.2 on a SUSE 8.0 distribution. |
| 12:50.57 | cast | _Rubyxx: why should they? |
| 12:51.11 | roxy_ | abrotman: http://www.isbe.man.ac.uk/~bim/software/am_tools_doc/download_linux.html |
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| 12:51.29 | Freakingme | The command 'useradd username' which I call from PHP, gives giving me status code 127. Anybody any idea how comes?/ |
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| 12:51.55 | _Rubyxx | Well, I once made the mistake of doubting an expert opinion, bcos I was new to IRC... |
| 12:52.02 | gypsymauro | tanx abrotman |
| 12:52.36 | Freakingme | _Rubyxx experts can be wrong as well |
| 12:52.55 | roxy_ | _Rubyxx: I am the only expert here, and everybody know me, so no need. |
| 12:53.30 | cast | _Rubyxx: i think designating a set of 'offical experts' and making them recognisable would create a weird social atmosphere for...what gain? none that i can see |
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| 12:54.48 | _Rubyxx | Freakingme: Well yes, but a seasoned adviser should always be listened to. Their approach to resolving problems is different from most. But yes cast I agree with you....Newbies simply have to look and learn |
| 12:55.42 | cast | becomes obvious who is and isn't an expert. take me for example! took me half a year to get sound |
| 12:55.51 | cast | [chmod /dev/dsp did it] |
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| 12:56.25 | tarzeau | abrotman: heh after 4 months, now you can do apt-get install donkey-bolonkey |
| 12:56.28 | asg | cast: but adding yourself to the audio group did not? |
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| 12:56.45 | cast | asg: oh, that would have worked as well. |
| 12:56.48 | _Rubyxx | I am about a month old |
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| 12:57.14 | asg | cast: that is the correct way, chmoding device files is usually wrong and opens up a possible security hole |
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| 12:58.24 | cast | asg: now i just add myself to group or chown the audio dev to me :) |
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| 13:04.27 | roxy_ | abrotman: need to go. thanks for your help |
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| 13:10.45 | abrotman | doh |
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| 13:10.53 | asg | deer |
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| 13:12.40 | Begasus | guys my NIC is disconnecting about every 5 minutes now ... this isn't funny anymore ... :s |
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| 13:13.49 | abrotman | Begasus: we've noticed :) |
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| 13:14.16 | Begasus | yeah ... me too .. it's beginning to be a pain in the ****** |
| 13:14.31 | abrotman | six letters .. |
| 13:14.43 | abrotman | Can I have an 'l' ? |
| 13:14.46 | Begasus | didn't want to make it to easy for you ;) |
| 13:14.53 | cast | rectum! |
| 13:15.01 | Begasus | :P |
| 13:15.03 | abrotman | cast: you have to wait til you spin the wheel |
| 13:15.10 | Begasus | well atleast it's a clean word ;) |
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| 13:15.35 | asg | bugger |
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| 13:15.59 | Begasus | 2 minutes .... |
| 13:16.12 | Begasus | then I'll probly have another disconnection ... |
| 13:16.13 | abrotman | Begasus: errors in syslog/messages ? |
| 13:16.19 | cast | lol. |
| 13:16.21 | abrotman | he was way off |
| 13:16.29 | cast | i think he lied, i think it IS still funny |
| 13:16.56 | rokra | Please soemone know a chan for vista :(? |
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| 13:17.04 | abrotman | ##windows |
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| 13:17.32 | abrotman | Begasus: errors in syslog/messages ? |
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| 13:17.48 | Begasus | where do I find them abrotman? |
| 13:17.51 | abrotman | /var/log/ |
| 13:18.00 | abrotman | might be something in dmesg also |
| 13:18.45 | _Rubyxx | Does RAID improve PC performance/speed in any way or is it mainly for data security? |
| 13:18.59 | abrotman | it can |
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| 13:19.12 | cast | _Rubyxx: not security, availability |
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| 13:19.23 | XMR2F74 | hello. i have a pentium3 with 400 mHertz and ~500MB RAM ... can i make a netinstall with gnome desktop to it? |
| 13:19.27 | Begasus | well if I knew what to look for ... |
| 13:19.32 | abrotman | Begasus: is this wired ? or wifi |
| 13:19.37 | abrotman | XMR2F74: yes shuld be fine |
| 13:19.49 | abrotman | Begasus: erorrs .. like resets or something |
| 13:19.52 | XMR2F74 | ty |
| 13:19.54 | abrotman | Begasus: something related to your netowrk |
| 13:20.00 | cast | _Rubyxx: depends on the raid config. wikipedia lists it all quite well |
| 13:20.01 | abrotman | XMR2F74: you also might like xfce |
| 13:20.51 | cast | isn't RAID0 a contradiction? |
| 13:20.57 | abrotman | cast: yes |
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| 13:21.14 | Begasus | wired abrotman ... via-rhine NIC |
| 13:21.16 | cast | yay that was my bright spark of a thought for the week. |
| 13:21.47 | XMR2F74 | does that desktop netinstall bring xfce with it? |
| 13:21.48 | PingFloyd | raid0 is strictly for performance |
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| 13:22.18 | abrotman | XMR2F74: the netinst has lots of stuff available via http sources |
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| 13:22.37 | _Rubyxx | cast: ok I'll research that.....I have a RAID enabled motherboard but my Hard drives are not suitable. I have always wondered whether it was worth upgrading them (the hard drives). |
| 13:23.08 | cast | _Rubyxx: for a desktop i say don't bother. your raid in the mobo probably sucks, too |
| 13:23.09 | Begasus | abrotman: ... I changed the IP earlier to use static as it was taking over the IP from the server in the network here .... |
| 13:23.11 | abrotman | harddrives aren't suitable ? |
| 13:23.21 | Begasus | seems it still wants to use the former IP .... |
| 13:23.28 | abrotman | Begasus: is something using dhcp still ?" |
| 13:23.33 | Begasus | rebooting to see if it solves the issue .... |
| 13:23.48 | Begasus | there is only one NIC abrotman |
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| 13:24.01 | Begasus | gnome chat wouldn't be adressing it would it? |
| 13:24.02 | cast | abrotman: only thing i can think of is he has one pata and one sata, or on 6gb and one 120gb |
| 13:24.04 | abrotman | could still be using dhcp |
| 13:24.17 | _Rubyxx | cast: I have two PCs and am thinking of turning one into a server |
| 13:24.18 | abrotman | cast: or he thinks he has raid .. but he doesn't :) |
| 13:24.18 | Begasus | I changed that to use static |
| 13:24.43 | Begasus | well rebooting to see if something changes ... |
| 13:24.45 | Begasus | biab |
| 13:24.57 | Kumbi | hey guys |
| 13:25.00 | Kumbi | my debian system is up and running |
| 13:25.15 | cast | well done Kumbi |
| 13:25.21 | Kumbi | whew |
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| 13:25.33 | Kumbi | linux noob + debian netinstall cd + 6 hours = linux box |
| 13:25.34 | Kumbi | lol |
| 13:26.12 | cast | i timed myself with the netinst cd. 8 minutes! :) |
| 13:26.16 | _Rubyxx | abrotman: Whenever I switch on my PC the motherboard queries why I do not have RAID setup....It kind of plays on your mind when that happens all the time |
| 13:26.18 | Kumbi | 8 minutes what |
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| 13:26.29 | cast | to install debian [custom partitioning] |
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| 13:27.20 | abrotman | doubt it's real RAID |
| 13:27.20 | Saint-Takeshi | is there an app to automount usb flash drives when they're plugged in? |
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| 13:28.23 | jamesstanley | hald |
| 13:28.23 | cast | Saint-Takeshi: there is a usb automount pkg, i've forgotten the name. apt-cache search should find you it |
| 13:28.23 | _Rubyxx | Asus P4C800E Deluxe is the motherboard |
| 13:28.23 | jamesstanley | hald |
| 13:28.23 | hjubal | ok, it seems there's no way to see the raid 1 logical volume from etch installer.. is it safe to use /dev/sda and ignore /dev/sdb?? |
| 13:28.38 | cast | jamesstanley: ilooks like usbmount just uses udev |
| 13:28.48 | _Rubyxx | abrotman: I understand it is mainly used in Servers not desktops |
| 13:28.49 | Kumbi | my debian base install took barely 10 mins |
| 13:29.03 | cydork | Saint-Takeshi: take a look at ivman package. |
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| 13:30.33 | blinx | I have a portal for a school where I want to include my own search engine which indexes the media which the teachers upload |
| 13:30.35 | abrotman | _Rubyxx: and what is your SATA controller ? |
| 13:30.37 | blinx | anyone has an idea |
| 13:30.38 | blinx | ? |
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| 13:30.50 | Kumbi | guys http://i11.tinypic.com/4u4jsp1.jpg :) |
| 13:30.58 | HardDisk_WP | how can I check what packages I have installed are from apt-build and which not? |
| 13:30.59 | blinx | xfriend maybe would a nice engine but it isn't free |
| 13:31.08 | Freakingme | blinx you want to write an own search engine for the intranet? |
| 13:31.09 | simonrvn | !tell blinx -about search |
| 13:31.26 | simonrvn | blinx: there's several engines available |
| 13:31.31 | newtie | anyone can help me here on setting up internet access on freebsd! |
| 13:31.42 | _Rubyxx | that is the problem...I do not have SATA drives, so I did not bother with that issue. |
| 13:31.48 | asg | newtie: try #FreeBSD |
| 13:31.54 | blinx | Freakingme: I'm searching if there is any engine I want |
| 13:31.56 | newtie | aha |
| 13:31.59 | Kumbi | freebsd? i don't know what is that |
| 13:32.16 | simonrvn | Kumbi: off-topic, that's what it is |
| 13:32.17 | asg | newtie: and the freebsd handbook is also a good resource |
| 13:32.28 | Kumbi | im so happy |
| 13:32.32 | Kumbi | my 1st debian system with X |
| 13:32.41 | blinx | I need a fresh index every time because the site should be searchable for the newest media |
| 13:32.43 | Kumbi | hey simonrvn thanks for your mirrors |
| 13:32.47 | simonrvn | !prize Kumbi |
| 13:32.55 | simonrvn | Kumbi: np |
| 13:33.08 | Kumbi | i figured the format of the sources.list |
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| 13:33.12 | asg | !qotd161 |
| 13:33.12 | dpkg | qotd161 is probably * asg sings the 'My Little Pony' song |
| 13:33.14 | Kumbi | i have like 15 entries in there already |
| 13:33.18 | simonrvn | blinx: again, see the engines... |
| 13:33.18 | newtie | asg: yep it is indeed but interested in only pppoe! |
| 13:33.22 | Kumbi | but i commented it all out except 1 |
| 13:33.32 | asg | newtie: then #FreeBSD is the place to ask. |
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| 13:34.20 | newtie | asg: aha cannot connect to server forwarding to another one :( |
| 13:34.39 | simonrvn | ... |
| 13:34.45 | Kumbi | simonrvn i set up gdm xorg and gnome all by myself im so proud |
| 13:34.47 | asg | newtie: you need to ask in #freebsd (or ##freebsd), this is not the right place |
| 13:34.52 | simonrvn | Kumbi: cool |
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| 13:35.28 | simonrvn | holy, i thought he was going to ask again |
| 13:35.38 | Kumbi | ok debian rocks more than gentoo, simply because my noob brain could get it figured out on the 1st try, unlike gentoo |
| 13:35.41 | Kumbi | mwhahahahaha |
| 13:35.49 | asg | simonrvn: then I would have become angry. |
| 13:36.00 | simonrvn | a little !ops |
| 13:36.06 | cast | do any filesystems support online shrinking? [someoens telling me they do but i don't quite believe it] |
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| 13:36.19 | simonrvn | online? no |
| 13:36.33 | wols | cast: which do tell you that? |
| 13:36.42 | simonrvn | only jfs can support online *growing* |
| 13:36.49 | cast | simonrvn: and xfs |
| 13:36.52 | wols | ah, someONE. he's an idiot :) |
| 13:37.04 | blinx | roundup maybe |
| 13:37.09 | cast | simonrvn: and i haven't used anything else, but i think ext3 can, maybe reiserfs |
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| 13:37.18 | simonrvn | online growing? i thought it didn't support it online |
| 13:37.24 | blinx | no sorry |
| 13:37.32 | cast | xfs definitely does online. xfs_growfs, was doing it lastnight |
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| 13:37.46 | simonrvn | while it's mounted? |
| 13:37.51 | jelly-home | simonrvn: ext3's online resize is a very fresh feat |
| 13:38.01 | cast | simonrvn: yes. |
| 13:38.09 | cast | http://lwn.net/Articles/89560/ ext3 can do the same |
| 13:38.10 | simonrvn | must be new then |
| 13:38.19 | Kumbi | simonrvn i dont feel like installing debian again on my other PC, can i dd if=/dev/sda1 of=image.img, then on the other pc dd if=image.img of=/dev/hda1 |
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| 13:38.22 | simonrvn | didn't used to |
| 13:38.27 | _Rubyxx | abrotman: The answer to your question; it is an Intel ICH5-R controller |
| 13:38.33 | cast | as can reiserfs, hmm, |
| 13:38.41 | abrotman | !sata faq |
| 13:38.41 | dpkg | http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html or http://linux-ata.org/ |
| 13:38.47 | wols | Kumbi: if you reinstall the bootloader afterwards: yes |
| 13:39.24 | Kumbi | yay wols |
| 13:39.25 | abrotman | Intel ICH5 / ICH5-R family chips — fakeraid. |
| 13:39.25 | simonrvn | Kumbi: what wold said ;) |
| 13:39.25 | Kumbi | holy crap netsplit? |
| 13:39.30 | abrotman | it happens ... |
| 13:39.30 | simonrvn | no biggie |
| 13:39.30 | Kumbi | yay debian |
| 13:39.30 | abrotman | it wasn't even a big one! |
| 13:39.32 | simonrvn | teeny tiny one |
| 13:39.33 | abrotman | (well .. on the other side it was) |
| 13:39.37 | Kumbi | why do i get iceweasel when i do aptitude install firefox |
| 13:39.39 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 13:39.48 | simonrvn | Kumbi: because :P |
| 13:39.49 | abrotman | !iceweasel |
| 13:39.49 | dpkg | rumour has it, iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is currently different from the browser with the same name from GNU (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla) although it is possible that the two projects will join forces in the future. To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>. |
| 13:40.02 | Kumbi | i want firefox 2 |
| 13:40.14 | asg | Kumbi: it is firefox2, just with a different name |
| 13:40.23 | jelly-home | Kumbi: iceweasel is pretty much it |
| 13:40.34 | simonrvn | Kumbi: mozilla is a buncha of weirdos. or, mozilla thinks debian is a buncha weirdos. or they both are, or aren't. take your pick |
| 13:40.37 | _Rubyxx | wot happened there with the kubrick server? It seems to have crashed. |
| 13:40.55 | abrotman | _Rubyxx: you don't have a real RAID controller |
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| 13:40.57 | simonrvn | no crash, just netsplit |
| 13:41.05 | wols | !fakeraid |
| 13:41.05 | dpkg | Term used for controller cards that advertise raid functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these got only a bios ... if you use thiem with debian it's suggested that you don't set a raid in the bios and just use regular software raid. |
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| 13:42.05 | simonrvn | looks like they're coming back in |
| 13:42.07 | _Rubyxx | abrotman dpkg: ok! so I'll leave things as they are |
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| 13:42.29 | Kodomut | 2 cheers for debian |
| 13:42.32 | Kodomut | 1 cheer for me |
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| 13:42.50 | Kumbi | well thanks to you all for helping me with my freakin' debian install |
| 13:43.15 | wols | all that frm a kernel update... |
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| 13:43.20 | Kumbi | so wols |
| 13:43.31 | Kumbi | any more intresting stuff to er, aptitude install? |
| 13:43.34 | Kumbi | for a server |
| 13:43.36 | abrotman | wols: get a life :) |
| 13:43.37 | busfahrer | What language is the debian (text-base) installer written in? |
| 13:43.43 | Kumbi | i heard pearl |
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| 13:43.45 | Kumbi | perl* |
| 13:43.46 | perlmonkey | hi guys |
| 13:43.48 | repyskichboarder | hello |
| 13:43.49 | perlmonkey | I just upgraded my memory to 512mb (2 x 256mb sdram pc133 sticks) and now I have strange vertical lines on my screen (which get worse when I move the mouse). If i downgrade the ram to 256mb (2 x 128mb sticks) the lines disappear... any ideas? |
| 13:43.53 | abrotman | busfahrer: i'd imagine C and perl and maybe python |
| 13:44.08 | abrotman | perlmonkey: bad ram ? |
| 13:44.10 | jelly-home | perlmonkey: sounds like your hardware! |
| 13:44.18 | repyskichboarder | how can I see my nvidia driver version? |
| 13:44.18 | busfahrer | perlmonkey: Use memtest86 |
| 13:44.19 | cast | damn, 1100 people in #ubuntu |
| 13:44.19 | abrotman | perlmonkey: try individual memory sticks |
| 13:44.29 | perlmonkey | abrotman: strange the ram worked fine before in another box i moved it from |
| 13:44.33 | perlmonkey | ok |
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| 13:44.46 | perlmonkey | same thing happens with 256mb individual sticks' |
| 13:44.51 | jelly-home | perlmonkey: is it a laptop? |
| 13:45.03 | perlmonkey | its a Dell Optiplex P3-933 |
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| 13:45.12 | wols | abrotman: it's better than a TV comedy show! |
| 13:45.25 | wols | I mean you can't pay people to behave like that |
| 13:45.26 | abrotman | wols: i'm watching ESPN actuallly |
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| 13:45.41 | wols | hand in your geek card unless it's chess you#re watching! |
| 13:45.53 | repyskichboarder | is there a command to see the version of my nvidia driver? |
| 13:45.53 | abrotman | wols: i was watching baseball highlights |
| 13:45.54 | Tuttle_ | What is the best place to define an explicit routes? |
| 13:46.23 | wols | repyskichboarder: glxinfo will tell. dpkg -l nvidia-glx will as well |
| 13:46.35 | abrotman | assuming he used the debian way |
| 13:46.42 | repyskichboarder | wols, thanks a lot :) |
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| 13:46.47 | wols | abrotman: which I said glxinfo first :) |
| 13:47.01 | wols | Tuttle_: why do you need one? interfaces is a good place |
| 13:47.05 | jelly-home | Tuttle_: I put them in /etc/network/interfaces, up/post-up line |
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| 13:47.44 | gui_ | hi |
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| 13:48.03 | gui_ | please is there a 64 bits version for INTEL 64 bits processor from Debian ? |
| 13:48.17 | abrotman | yes |
| 13:48.19 | bluesceada | which intel 64bits |
| 13:48.28 | bluesceada | ia64 ? |
| 13:48.32 | begasus | setting a static IP doesn't seem to work ... |
| 13:48.34 | bluesceada | or x86_64 ? |
| 13:48.35 | thedonvaughn | debian ia64 or emt64? or whatever it is |
| 13:48.40 | abrotman | bluesceada: yes for both :) |
| 13:48.50 | _Rubyxx | Why are the different distros different? ...Loading USB hard drives is almost impossible on another distro using the same kernel as Debian. |
| 13:48.52 | bluesceada | yeh but what does gui mean^^ |
| 13:49.06 | gui_ | Quad Core Intel® Xeon® E5345 |
| 13:49.10 | abrotman | !amd64 |
| 13:49.10 | dpkg | [amd64] See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64. for flash on amd64, ask me about nspluginwrapper |
| 13:49.17 | abrotman | bluesceada: if he had itanium .. he'd know it |
| 13:49.23 | bluesceada | gui_: if you mean something like a core 2 duo it will be like amd64 |
| 13:49.25 | bluesceada | hrhr |
| 13:49.34 | bluesceada | gui_: so like amd64... |
| 13:49.49 | gui_ | ok |
| 13:49.54 | bluesceada | i envy you .. quad core intel xeon O.o |
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| 13:50.13 | begasus | k that's it ... rebooting .. to ZETA |
| 13:50.16 | abrotman | begasus: any better ? |
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| 13:50.16 | gui_ | and for a server ? Is it stable ? Or maybe it's more serious to use a 32bits system ? |
| 13:50.33 | abrotman | gui_: do you need java or flash ? |
| 13:50.37 | begasus | don't think I need to answer abrotman :s |
| 13:50.44 | cast | he has a quad core and doesn't know what to do with it :( |
| 13:50.44 | begasus | 5 minutes and plop |
| 13:50.45 | gui_ | (apache, postfix ..) |
| 13:50.52 | abrotman | begasus: no more fiber for you |
| 13:50.59 | abrotman | gui_: 64bit should be fine |
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| 13:51.13 | kubrick | hi |
| 13:51.14 | begasus | ohwell ... sh*t happens ... |
| 13:51.17 | cast | gui_: i have a feeling openssl will go alot faster for you in 64bit mode |
| 13:51.19 | begasus | biab |
| 13:51.20 | gui_ | so ... I'll try this way |
| 13:51.22 | gui_ | thank you |
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| 13:53.13 | wols | gui_: as long as you can stay with purely Free software (very much doable on a server) 64bit is fine. when you have to use proprietary shit like flash, acrobat, drivers, etc, the pain will start |
| 13:53.28 | gui_ | ok |
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| 13:53.39 | cast | freesoftware leads the way! |
| 13:53.51 | gui_ | I just ask because it seems curious to use amd64 on intel xeon quad core processor :) |
| 13:53.51 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
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| 13:54.07 | HardDisk_WP | Iceweasel doesnt remember it's application size and status.. |
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| 13:54.10 | garo | Which package creates /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? |
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| 13:54.21 | k33k | guys on a compile im getting make: yacc: Command not found any ideas |
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| 13:54.23 | HardDisk_WP | everytime I start it it uses the old size (it dont start in fullscreen) |
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| 13:54.29 | abrotman | k33k: install yacc ? |
| 13:54.31 | HardDisk_WP | garo, xserver-xorg |
| 13:54.31 | asg | k33k: install build-essential |
| 13:54.39 | mutante | how i do take down my "inet6 addr" on eth0 or eth0:0 but keep the (v4) inet addr up? |
| 13:54.44 | asg | k33k: and bison |
| 13:54.45 | k33k | asg, <3 |
| 13:54.56 | garo | and why is it that 'dpkg -S /etc/X11/xorg.conf' doesn't know this ? |
| 13:54.57 | abrotman | asg has a girlfriend! |
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| 13:55.13 | wols | gui_: xorg.conf is created after install via configuration |
| 13:55.18 | wols | garo: ^^ |
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| 13:55.24 | Begasus | there back in ZETA ... rather a slow connection that reconnecting every 5 min's |
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| 13:55.43 | k33k | asg, i dont have bison |
| 13:55.44 | asg | abrotman: she was deflating so I had to apply a patch |
| 13:55.48 | asg | k33k: apt-get install bison |
| 13:55.51 | k33k | but build essentials is there |
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| 13:56.06 | Tuttle_ | I have these routes: http://paste.debian.net/29085 It is strange the 1st is not contained in the 2nd. This machine is the company router, the 10.84.0.2 is another linux box. on it's second interface 10.84.1/24 is connected a wifi router. people cannot use wifi when the 1st route line is not defined on the first router box. strange? |
| 13:56.29 | garo | ah, k... |
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| 13:58.50 | mkl1525 | Hi, is there a similar command to the "tree" command in dos? |
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| 13:59.19 | dondelelcaro | mkl1525: it's called tree |
| 14:00.25 | kubrick | can I create any file inside /etc/apt.conf.d/, it will be read, isnt it? |
| 14:00.27 | garo | mkl1525: it's long ago that i used dos, but try : find / |
| 14:00.51 | gui_ | bye all |
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| 14:00.55 | Tuttle_ | wols: i use the explicit route because the specific connections are not possible without it. maybe i could be done better, of course. |
| 14:01.09 | mkl1525 | dondelelcaro, thanks thought it would be a bash builtin |
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| 14:01.19 | garo | and if it scrolls by to fast, install less : apt-get install less |
| 14:01.28 | garo | and you can do : find / | less |
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| 14:01.30 | JosefAssad | mkl1525: apt-get install tree |
| 14:01.50 | JosefAssad | what does find / have to do with tree, garo ? |
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| 14:03.46 | neosmatrix | hi @ all - if i try to boot my self compiled kernel it always ends with the message: int 6: cr2 00000000 .... i now use debian etch dvd upgraded to unstable - before i had installed from dvd i used a debian sarge upgraded to etch and everything kernel i compiled was ok. Is this a known problem ? but only the one who comes direcly from etch dvd (kernel 2.6.18-4-686) boots ok. i tried several kernels: 2.6.18 2.6.21 2.6.21.2 2.6.22-rc2/3. Any idea ? |
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| 14:05.59 | Wyzard | neosmatrix: no, you probably just left out some essential driver in your kernel so it can't mount the root filesystem and panics |
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| 14:06.45 | neosmatrix | Wyzard: the error comes without any other message |
| 14:06.49 | Wyzard | neosmatrix: The line you quoted looks like part of a register dump though |
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| 14:06.59 | neosmatrix | direcly after it loads the kernel |
| 14:07.00 | wols | Wyzard: cr2 is a register in the CPU. that is a kernel oops, not a panic |
| 14:07.56 | neosmatrix | i never said that there was a panix :) |
| 14:07.57 | wols | neosmatrix: Invalid Opcode exception |
| 14:08.00 | Wyzard | but "pre-built kernels work but custom-compiled ones don't" can't really be a bug -- the only difference bewteen Debian's stock kernel and your custom one is the way you configured yours |
| 14:08.04 | wols | you compiled kernel is really truly borken |
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| 14:08.25 | wols | so either your gcc is fucked or you royally fucked up |
| 14:08.30 | wols | I guess the latter :) |
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| 14:08.43 | Wyzard | Invalid opcode... maybe built for the wrong processor type? |
| 14:08.46 | neosmatrix | the new 2.6.21.1 downloaded from unstable tree doesn't work either |
| 14:08.54 | wols | !doesn't work |
| 14:08.55 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 14:09.15 | cyzie | hwo do i disable for the nfs, export file to ask for password? |
| 14:09.17 | Wyzard | neosmatrix: FWIW, you probably don't need a custom kernel anyway |
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| 14:10.27 | neosmatrix | Wyzard: I need one for nvidia driver - vmware - webcam - acpi cpu scaling for my core2duo |
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| 14:11.05 | Wyzard | nvidia and vmware are third-party modules and don't require you to custom-build the whole kernel |
| 14:11.21 | Wyzard | acpi-cpufreq is part of the stock kernel |
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| 14:11.25 | Wyzard | dunno about your webcam driver |
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| 14:11.33 | Wyzard | What patch are you applying to the kernel to enable that? |
| 14:11.47 | wols | and cpu scaling is already in there via speedstep support iirc |
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| 14:12.15 | neosmatrix | its no patch - it is the ov51x driver |
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| 14:12.40 | neosmatrix | FATAL: Error inserting acpi_cpufreq (/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/acpi-cpufreq.ko): No such device |
| 14:12.42 | wols | neosmatrix: then no kernel compile necessary either |
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| 14:13.03 | Wyzard | That means ACPI frequency scaling support wasn't found |
| 14:13.42 | asg | neosmatrix: try speedstep_centrino |
| 14:13.46 | Wyzard | so what did you mean by "acpi cpu scaling for my core2duo" |
| 14:14.01 | neosmatrix | and how could i enable it without compiling a new kernel ? |
| 14:14.05 | Wyzard | asg: That doesn't exist anymore... replaced by acpi-cpufreq |
| 14:14.21 | asg | Wyzard: oh, he's using sid. |
| 14:14.32 | Wyzard | neosmatrix: No, it doesn't mean the driver wasn't found, it means the driver didn't find scaling support in your processor |
| 14:14.49 | Wyzard | neosmatrix: Is this a desktop or a laptop? |
| 14:14.58 | neosmatrix | desktop pc |
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| 14:15.24 | neosmatrix | core2duo 6320 |
| 14:15.34 | Wyzard | I don't think the non-mobile C2Ds have scaling support |
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| 14:15.52 | spheard | how do I print todays date? |
| 14:15.57 | neosmatrix | y they have |
| 14:15.58 | spheard | on cli? |
| 14:15.58 | asg | spheard: date |
| 14:16.02 | Wyzard | though I have an E6600 and I can load acpi-cpufreq |
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| 14:16.34 | Wyzard | but I've tried getting it to actually switch frequencies and had some weird results |
| 14:16.34 | spheard | asg: can I use that as a variable |
| 14:16.45 | spheard | $DATE? |
| 14:16.45 | asg | spheard: yes. VAR=$(date) |
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| 14:16.53 | MoDaXaS | spheard: date=`date` |
| 14:16.55 | Wyzard | That was on 2.6.18 though... let's try again on 2.6.21, since I'm curious now |
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| 14:17.09 | asg | spheard: also, read the manpage if you want to change the formatting of the output |
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| 14:17.49 | neosmatrix | 2.6.21.1 form unstable tree end with the same error:int 6: cr2 0000000 .... |
| 14:18.07 | spheard | make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version=.kirillopenVZ kernel_image modules_image |
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| 14:18.50 | spheard | what would be the best way of inserting the datetime into this command on --append-to-version? |
| 14:18.50 | Wyzard | neosmatrix: When I load acpi-cpufreq on my E6600, my reported CPU speed immediately drops from 2.4GHz down to 900MHz |
| 14:18.50 | smcavoy_ | how best can I mark a package as "hold" from the commandline (i.e. scriptable)? |
| 14:18.52 | Wyzard | neosmatrix: I doubt it's actually running at 900MHz, but something weird is going on here |
| 14:19.11 | spheard | VAR=$(date) && make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version=.kirillopenVZ kernel_image modules_image ?/ |
| 14:19.47 | asg | spheard: or just --append-to-version=.kirillopenVZ.$(date +"%m-%d-%Y") |
| 14:19.52 | Wyzard | neosmatrix: Anyway, you don't need a custom kernel... you're not doing anything you can't do with the standard one |
| 14:20.05 | spheard | asg, thats what Im looking for. |
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| 14:20.05 | asg | spheard: you might want to check if make-kpkg doesn't already have that functionality built in. |
| 14:20.24 | neosmatrix | Wyzard: do i install vmware ??? |
| 14:20.45 | neosmatrix | Wyzard: how do i? |
| 14:21.00 | spheard | asg, thanks muchly. do you know any good bash scripting guides. all the ones I have found have been awfull |
| 14:21.15 | smcavoy_ | spheard, ldp.org ? |
| 14:21.34 | Wyzard | neosmatrix: The stock kernels are in packages with names beginning with "linux-image", followed by the version number and variant |
| 14:21.34 | asg | spheard: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ |
| 14:21.37 | cydork | spheard: check abs-guide. also #bash has some in the topic. |
| 14:21.54 | Wyzard | neosmatrix: Each "linux-image" package has a corresponding "linux-headers" package, which contains the headers you need for building third-party modules like vmware and nvidia |
| 14:22.04 | cydork | neosmatrix: ask #vmware about vmware. |
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| 14:22.15 | sobersabre | guys, I am configuring a RAID5 volume. what's a good block size for it ? this will be home directories for processes that do write and when they do they do it heavily. |
| 14:22.21 | neosmatrix | Wyzard: k |
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| 14:22.23 | axos88 | hello People! Can u tell me where could i ask a Makefile-related question? Or can u answer this simple question for me? I want to make STATICCOMPILE="-static" if make was run with the STATIC=yes parameter. My question is... HOW? :P |
| 14:22.34 | hjubal | war: I'm afraid you were right.. it's a fakeraid and etch installer sees sda and sdb :\ |
| 14:22.54 | Wyzard | neosmatrix: If you install linux-image-2.6-amd64 and linux-headers-2.6-amd64, those will pull in the latest actual kernel version as dependencies |
| 14:22.58 | sobersabre | war: still raiding :) |
| 14:23.07 | asg | axos88: the folks in ##c could probably tell you if nobody in here can. |
| 14:23.14 | axos88 | thx |
| 14:23.50 | Wyzard | neosmatrix: though currently they still depend on 2.6.18 for some reason, so if you want 2.6.21 you'll need to install linux-image-2.6.21-1-amd64 and linux-headers-2.6.21-1-amd64 directly |
| 14:23.55 | spheard | smcavoy_, thats the turkish liberal democrat website :-) |
| 14:24.09 | neosmatrix | Wyzard: and how to activate cpu frequenzy scaling ? |
| 14:24.11 | freddy__ | how can I find out which serial cards is detected on my system ? |
| 14:24.24 | spheard | asg,cydork, thanks |
| 14:24.33 | neosmatrix | Wyzard: as i said 2.6.21.1 doesn't boot |
| 14:24.39 | wols | !hwinfo |
| 14:24.40 | dpkg | from memory, hwinfo is your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
| 14:25.14 | Wyzard | neosmatrix: No, your custom-built (and apparently misconfigured) 2.6.21 doesn't boot... I'm running Debian's 2.6.21 right now |
| 14:25.52 | neosmatrix | Wyzard: i downloaded 2.6.21-1-686 from unstable - same error as described above |
| 14:26.22 | Wyzard | neosmatrix: For frequency scaling, theoretically you'd load acpi-cpufreq, but on your system the driver apparently doesn't find any scaling support, and on mine it thinks the processor's frequency range is 600MHz-900MHz when the driver is loaded, so I'm not sure about the scaling support in these processors |
| 14:26.23 | Kumbi | hey whats this stable and unstable |
| 14:26.59 | MoDaX | !tell kumbi about stable |
| 14:27.00 | Wyzard | neosmatrix: hmm, dunno about that... I didn't have any problems with it |
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| 14:27.10 | MoDaX | !tell kumbi about unstable |
| 14:27.19 | Wyzard | neosmatrix: I'm running 64-bit Debian and using the -amd64 variant though |
| 14:27.35 | Kumbi | k thanks MoDaX |
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| 14:28.26 | neosmatrix | i am running 32bit |
| 14:28.26 | smcavoy_ | spheard, oops! http://tldp.org/ |
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| 14:29.40 | Wyzard | neosmatrix: That shouldn't make a difference, but I can't think of any reason why Debian's stock kernel would fail in that way |
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| 14:30.29 | Wyzard | neosmatrix: The stock 2.6.18-4-686 works, right? |
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| 14:32.46 | Wyzard | neosmatrix: Try 2.6.21-1-amd64 |
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| 14:33.10 | xerophyte_ | if i modify the pam configuration files do i have to reboot the server or is there anyway i can restart the pam ? |
| 14:33.13 | Wyzard | neosmatrix: ("amd64" in this case really means x86-64, which includes Intel processors too) |
| 14:33.25 | simonrvn | xerophyte_: no. no. in that order |
| 14:33.45 | simonrvn | xerophyte_: no #2 is because you don't need to restart anything |
| 14:34.04 | neosmatrix | Wyzard: yes stock 2.6.18-4-686 works - i will try amd64 |
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| 14:34.42 | asg | simonrvn: it is imperative that you reboot your box after installing cowsay |
| 14:34.54 | cast | it will be a good day the day we don't have to reboot for kernel updates :) |
| 14:35.05 | Kumbi | hey i have a directory that belongs to root i want to make the dir and everything inside it to belong to kumbi |
| 14:35.09 | asg | cast: kexec |
| 14:35.20 | wols | Kumbi: man chown |
| 14:35.22 | Kumbi | i do su then chown kumbi:kumbi /bot |
| 14:35.31 | wols | Kumbi: -R |
| 14:35.32 | Kumbi | but the stuff inside is not belong to kumbi, still belong to root |
| 14:35.39 | cast | asg: i read about that but can't remember...there was some catch to it |
| 14:35.45 | neosmatrix | chown -R |
| 14:35.50 | Wyzard | neosmatrix: I just did a speed test, btw, and it seems that my processor is still running at its normal 2.4GHz, even though /proc/cpuinfo says it's running at 900MHz and /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpufreq_{min,max}_freq say that its supported speeds are between 600MHz and 900MHz |
| 14:36.30 | neosmatrix | Wyzard: hmm thats really weird |
| 14:36.30 | Wyzard | neosmatrix: Nonetheless, I think it's clear that something's wonky with acpi-cpufreq on Core 2 Duo desktop processors :-) |
| 14:37.02 | asg | cast: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-kexec.html (lists the caveats and other issues.) |
| 14:37.04 | Wyzard | neosmatrix: I can't rmmod acpi-cpufreq because it's "in use", but I can force-unload it with "rmmod -f" |
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| 14:37.36 | Wyzard | neosmatrix: When I tried this on 2.6.18, unloading acpi-cpufreq made the reported speed go back to 2.4GHz, but now on 2.6.21, that's not happening -- I'm apparently stuck on "900MHz" until I reboot, I guess |
| 14:37.50 | asg | cast: however, we use OpenVZ on some of our systems at work and, when we need to do kernel updates to the host systems, we live migrate them to another OpenVZ host temporarily. |
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| 14:38.02 | microtux | hi |
| 14:38.09 | simonrvn | asg: heheh |
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| 14:38.36 | microtux | anyone knows tools for systems monitoring? |
| 14:38.48 | asg | microtux: nagios, cacti |
| 14:38.52 | microtux | CPU especially |
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| 14:39.04 | asg | microtux: and, of course, snmp |
| 14:39.18 | vin` | and munin |
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| 14:39.24 | Wyzard | out of curiosity, does anyone know offhand why Debian's linux-image metapackages (linux-image-2.6-686, etc.) still pull in 2.6.18, when 2.6.21 is in the archive? |
| 14:39.45 | simonrvn | all of them can use snmp as data backend |
| 14:39.54 | streuner | !find psmerge |
| 14:39.56 | microtux | asg, have these tools GUI |
| 14:39.58 | microtux | asg, have these tools GUI? |
| 14:39.59 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'psmerge' (3): (/usr/bin/psmerge) in text/psutils ;; (/usr/share/doc/tetex-doc/help/Catalogue/entries/psmerge.html) in doc/tetex-doc ;; (/usr/share/doc/texlive-doc/english/catalogue/entries/psmerge.html, /usr/share/doc/texlive-doc-en/english/catalogue/entries/psmerge.html) in tex/texlive-doc-en. |
| 14:40.24 | asg | microtux: nagios has a web interface, as does cacti. The former still relies on hacking config files but that isn't difficult. |
| 14:40.47 | microtux | asg, thx |
| 14:40.58 | asg | microtux: you might look at Zenoss, though it isn't in Debian |
| 14:41.40 | Lynoure | I'm trying to use lilo -M /dev/sdb to install MBR to a usb stick, and get Fatal: creat /boot/boot.0810: Permission denied |
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| 14:42.10 | Lynoure | Googling for it gives one Russian hit, and I don't speak Russian. Any idea how to get it to work? |
| 14:42.19 | asg | Lynoure: are you running it as root? |
| 14:42.44 | HardDisk_WP | iceweasel doesnt remember it's window size..it starts always in window mode, not fullscreen mode. any way to solve this? |
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| 14:43.09 | Lynoure | asg: no, and given the error message feel a bit hesitant to do that as a root, as if it wipes my /boot on my current disk, no joy |
| 14:43.17 | Wyzard | ugh... there are at least three bug reports pointing out that linux-image-2.6-686 and friends (the metapackages) depend on 2.6.18 which is no longer in the archive, and none of them have even been acknowledged by the maintainer |
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| 14:46.03 | omercnet | I'm looking for a good tool to tell me what process is using the hard disk and how much, could anyone recommend anything? |
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| 14:46.51 | Wyzard | omercnet: laptop-mode-tools has a script that helps identify what processes and drivers are using the disk |
| 14:47.26 | omercnet | great, I'll check it out |
| 14:47.26 | omercnet | thanks |
| 14:47.44 | Wyzard | omercnet: It works by enabling a switch in /proc somewhere (I don't remember exactly where) that causes the kernel to log every disk access -- you can also do that manually, if you can find out what the switch is (perhaps by reading the script) |
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| 14:49.22 | jonty_ | Afternoon all - anyone know if it's possible to get debian etch running on a machine with 16meg of ram? |
| 14:49.37 | jonty_ | (It's a teeny toshiba libretto) |
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| 14:50.09 | jonty_ | Just booting the kernel on it causes it to freak out and kill processes due to lack of memory |
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| 14:50.28 | hopper | Hoe should I setup my acl so that squid only allows access to one domain? |
| 14:50.39 | asg | jonty_: you'll need to either use sarge or woody. And, you won't be able to run the installer; you'll have to pre-install to the disk from another machine. |
| 14:51.08 | jonty_ | asg, yeah I tried it with sarge on another machine, same problem |
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| 14:51.18 | jonty_ | could try woody I guess |
| 14:51.25 | asg | jonty_: make sure you have lots of swap |
| 14:51.40 | jonty_ | asg, obviously :) |
| 14:51.43 | asg | :) |
| 14:51.46 | Kumbi | hey guys |
| 14:51.52 | Kumbi | how do i mount a disc image |
| 14:51.58 | asg | jonty_: I know etch runs on 32M because I have it running on my NSLU2 |
| 14:52.03 | jonty_ | hmm |
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| 14:53.17 | jonty_ | asg, do you know if there's a lower memory limit suggested on the deb site anywhere? |
| 14:53.34 | wols | Kumbi: mount image /mountpoint |
| 14:53.46 | asg | jonty_: the requirements should be specified in the installation manual for each release (both the runtime requirements and requirements for installation.) |
| 14:53.54 | wols | jonty_: release notes always have system requirements listed |
| 14:54.11 | jonty_ | marvellous, *goes off to look* |
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| 14:54.49 | cydork | asg: 32 mb is enough for installer? |
| 14:55.28 | cydork | asg: or you used this http://www.slug-firmware.net/ ? |
| 14:55.42 | busfahrer | Anyone here ever used SILO, the Sparc bootloader? |
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| 14:56.49 | Lynoure | asg: continued with root anyway, despite the fear. Well, I know how to save a system from the results if the worst happened :) |
| 14:56.53 | Lynoure | asg: thanks |
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| 14:57.47 | concept10 | asg, how much did you pay for your slug? (i want to get one next week) |
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| 14:57.51 | Kumbi | hey guys |
| 14:57.58 | Kumbi | how do i make gparted able to format stuff as FAT |
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| 14:59.25 | neosmatrix | i installed 2.6.21-1-amd64 and this error appeard -> http://de.pastebin.ca/516090 |
| 14:59.48 | Taxman | hello, I have a bad cdrom drive on my laptop. The floppy boot disk seems to know USB, is it possible to boot from a USB cd rom with it? |
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| 15:00.05 | asg | concept10: $84 or so on amazon |
| 15:00.19 | asg | Lynoure: you're welcome |
| 15:00.48 | Wyzard | neosmatrix: weird... no idea |
| 15:01.17 | Taxman | where can I find a list of the commands the boot floppy accepts and the syntax? |
| 15:01.37 | concept10 | asg, do you know if it may handle two USB 500GB drives? |
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| 15:01.56 | asg | concept10: it should. I'm currently only using a 2G usb stick |
| 15:02.04 | sobersabre | guys, I am kinda confused. I have this intel P965 mobo. It has this Intel Matrix Storage... |
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| 15:02.11 | aszx | hi |
| 15:02.17 | sobersabre | And it makes itself to look like a RAID controller. |
| 15:02.21 | jb24 | hello, how could i update my 2.6.18.4 kernel after default installation to 2.6.21? |
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| 15:02.22 | sobersabre | I mean hardware RAID. |
| 15:02.24 | aszx | i'm trying to install jre but getting errors |
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| 15:02.32 | xmoogle | hiya...anyone have experience setting xorg up to use multiple moniitors on multiple cards? for some reason my second card isn't being used by xorg.. |
| 15:02.36 | asg | concept10: http://www.cyrius.com/debian/nslu2/unpack.html (very simple install, if you haven't seen it yet) |
| 15:02.36 | Wyzard | neosmatrix: Looks like you're not the only one: http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8533 |
| 15:02.39 | sobersabre | aszx: ddebian way or the binary from sun ? |
| 15:02.39 | aszx | mkdir: cannot create directory `/etc/.java': Permission denied |
| 15:02.40 | aszx | etc |
| 15:02.44 | Wyzard | neosmatrix: but it's tagged "unreproducible" |
| 15:02.52 | aszx | sobersabre with fakeroot make-jpkg ... |
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| 15:03.02 | spheard | aszx: are you root |
| 15:03.05 | aszx | no |
| 15:03.07 | concept10 | asg, yeah, I used his install directions for my raq2, pretty nice |
| 15:03.09 | aszx | i'm non-root user |
| 15:03.14 | asg | concept10: cool |
| 15:03.20 | Wyzard | neosmatrix: That report says it happens on 2.6.20 as well, but you could try Ubuntu (which uses 2.6.20) to see whether it's true in your case as well |
| 15:03.22 | sobersabre | aszx: in order to write into /etc one must be root. |
| 15:03.33 | spheard | aszx:I was just gonna say that |
| 15:03.34 | aszx | sobersabre i don't want to write there |
| 15:03.40 | aszx | that installer wants to |
| 15:03.42 | aszx | BUT |
| 15:03.45 | rking | that's super weird, creating a dot-directory in /etc/ |
| 15:03.50 | sobersabre | anyways, is intel p965 a software RAID ?! |
| 15:03.54 | sobersabre | or hardware ?! |
| 15:03.58 | aszx | Note to execute this as a normal user by using fakeroot (which was installed as a dependency of java-package) as make-jpkg cannot be executed as root. |
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| 15:04.12 | aszx | http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/debianjava.htm |
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| 15:04.18 | spheard | aszx: go and chat up your system administrator |
| 15:04.23 | Wyzard | sobersabre: Probably software... real hardware RAID controllers have their own processors and RAM |
| 15:04.31 | aszx | spheard i'm my system administrator |
| 15:04.34 | sobersabre | Wyzard: sounds logical. |
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| 15:04.46 | spheard | aszx: and you dont have root access? |
| 15:04.52 | neosmatrix | Wyzard: thx for help :/ |
| 15:04.54 | aszx | i have a root access |
| 15:05.07 | sobersabre | Wyzard: they got me with this "RAID configuration" on boot, you can choose drives and create a "volume". |
| 15:05.16 | aszx | spheard Note to execute this as a normal user by using fakeroot (which was installed as a dependency of java-package) as make-jpkg cannot be executed as root. |
| 15:05.18 | sobersabre | I wonder what volume that it.... |
| 15:05.23 | sobersabre | I cannot see it in the /dev |
| 15:05.25 | aszx | spheard this is from http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/debianjava.htm |
| 15:05.28 | z0La | I was lose on my linux the root passwd, how do I back it? |
| 15:05.30 | rking | here's a somewhat off-topic question: does anyone know how you can force google to search for the dot in "/etc/.java"? If you put that in, it returns a bunch of results for "/etc/java", as if you didn't really mean it when you said "." |
| 15:05.40 | aszx | spheard and, of course, if i run this installer as a root |
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| 15:05.50 | sobersabre | z0La: do you know any other languages ? |
| 15:05.52 | Wyzard | sobersabre: I'm just using Linux's software RAID... it's easier to manage, more flexible, and if I move my array to a different controller I don't have to worry about differences between controllers' on-disk metadata formats |
| 15:05.54 | jb24 | Wyzard: how could i update my 2.6.18.4 kernel after default installation to 2.6.21? |
| 15:05.55 | simonrvn | escape it? :) |
| 15:05.56 | aszx | spheard it will abort and tell me i have to run it as non-root |
| 15:05.58 | simonrvn | \. |
| 15:06.05 | asg | hah |
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| 15:06.21 | z0La | sobersabre: Why you ask? |
| 15:06.24 | spheard | aszx: oh, odd. have you tried doing it thru apt? |
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| 15:06.30 | Wyzard | jb24: If you change from etch to sid, linux-image-2.6.21 packages will become available |
| 15:06.30 | xmoogle | my xorg conf is at http://xmoogle.org/xorg-conf.txt and the log is at http://xmoogle.org/xorg-0-log.txt |
| 15:06.45 | aszx | spheard i installed java-package with apt, as described in that page |
| 15:06.48 | Wyzard | aszx: Use the Java packages, not the installer script |
| 15:06.48 | xmoogle | tried everything i can think but it just won't work |
| 15:06.50 | sobersabre | z0La: I mean maybe it would be easier for you not to use auto-translator, but use your native language... |
| 15:06.55 | simonrvn | better actually, quote or double quote it |
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| 15:07.00 | Wyzard | aszx: You don't need java-package... apt-cache search sun-java |
| 15:07.01 | aszx | Wyzard where can i find them ? |
| 15:07.10 | simonrvn | rking: ^^^ |
| 15:07.13 | sobersabre | aszx: java.sun.com |
| 15:07.22 | alexIdoia | how can I search for a special string into a bunch of files with grep ? |
| 15:07.25 | Wyzard | aszx: They're in the archive... you don't have to do anything special to find them |
| 15:07.29 | alexIdoia | can you give me an ex please ? |
| 15:07.30 | z0La | sobersabre: ok fu*k that, tell me if you know how to find what is my root password, I was forgot it.. |
| 15:07.31 | spheard | aszx:apt-cache search sun-java !! :) :) |
| 15:07.33 | gravity | You do need non-free |
| 15:07.35 | rking | simonrvn: that's not working. |
| 15:07.39 | Wyzard | ah, true |
| 15:07.43 | aszx | spheard that command will print nothing |
| 15:07.44 | asg | z0La: /msg dpkg i forgot root's password |
| 15:07.46 | simonrvn | rking: which isn't? |
| 15:07.48 | aszx | i have Debian Sarge |
| 15:07.51 | aszx | not Etch |
| 15:07.54 | simonrvn | i mentioned 2 ways |
| 15:07.56 | Wyzard | sobersabre: Use the packges, not the tarballs from Sun |
| 15:07.59 | solemnwarning | Is there any point using the amd64 release if you don't have >4GB memory? |
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| 15:08.05 | alexIdoia | anyone? |
| 15:08.05 | Nosf3ratu | bueller? |
| 15:08.08 | spheard | aszx: do apt-get update |
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| 15:08.17 | simonrvn | anyone left 2 hours ago |
| 15:08.20 | aszx | spheard huh |
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| 15:08.26 | Wyzard | solemnwarning: Yes, 64-bit is for virtual address space, not physical RAM |
| 15:08.33 | asg | alexIdoia: grep 'special string' /path/to/bunch/of/files |
| 15:08.38 | sobersabre | z0La: do you read what dpkg has written ? |
| 15:08.40 | aszx | Wyzard where can i get java packges ? |
| 15:08.45 | rking | neither `/etc/\.java`, `/etc/%2Ejava`, or `"/etc/.java"` does anything different than `/etc/java` |
| 15:08.48 | Wyzard | solemnwarning: You can use more than 4GB of RAM even on a 32-bit system... it's just that no individual program can use more than 4GB of it |
| 15:08.58 | z0La | asg: thanks |
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| 15:09.10 | Wyzard | aszx: Add non-free to your sources.list (if it's not there already), apt-get update, and then apt-cache search sun-java |
| 15:09.13 | solemnwarning | How would the kernel memory manager handle it with 32-bit addresses? |
| 15:09.21 | Wyzard | solemnwarning: PAE |
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| 15:09.24 | spheard | aszx: what he said |
| 15:09.30 | simonrvn | rking: then try >> /etc/.java -"/etc/java" |
| 15:09.37 | aszx | Wyzard i have non-free added but debian sarge doesn't have jre |
| 15:09.50 | rking | simonrvn: tried that, it's the same as searching for `x -a` |
| 15:09.53 | Wyzard | aszx: oh, you're running sarge... why not upgrade to etch? |
| 15:09.54 | rking | `x -x` i mean |
| 15:09.55 | aszx | Wyzard i was searching for it on packages.debian.org |
| 15:10.06 | simonrvn | rking: oh well |
| 15:10.13 | aszx | Wyzard cos i won't update all system cos of distrobution update |
| 15:10.16 | aszx | i don't need etch |
| 15:10.24 | simonrvn | distrIb |
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| 15:10.32 | simonrvn | -ution |
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| 15:10.56 | Wyzard | solemnwarning: Anyway, 64-bit means you have a big *virtual* address space, which means not only can individual processes use more than 4GB of RAM, but also they can do things like mmap() large files (many gigabytes) for efficient access |
| 15:11.00 | ness | I accidentially removed an init script, how can I make it reappear? I reinstalled the package that provides it, but that doesn't seem to work. |
| 15:11.08 | asg | ness: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 15:11.16 | Wyzard | aszx: I don't see how "because of distribution update" is a reason for not upgrading to the current release of Debian |
| 15:11.43 | aszx | Wyzard for example, i need to have the old version of php (5.2 is too new for some apps) |
| 15:11.44 | spheard | aszx: apt-get update doesnt update your system, just refreshes the package database |
| 15:12.03 | Wyzard | aszx: etch has php4 packages as well as php5 |
| 15:12.06 | asg | aszx: etch comes with php4 |
| 15:12.07 | simonrvn | aszx: too new, you mean less broken? ;) |
| 15:12.17 | ness | asg: dpkg doesn't respond? |
| 15:12.19 | aszx | spheard i'm not stupid you know, just try to read all conversation :) |
| 15:12.25 | asg | !tell ness about confmiss |
| 15:12.32 | aszx | Wyzard but i need 5.1.x heh :) |
| 15:12.50 | aszx | simonrvn many apps are not working on 5.2 |
| 15:12.52 | jelly-home | aszx: sounds like a crappy app, then :-> |
| 15:12.56 | spheard | aszx: sorry ma, I have the killer hangover from hell, Im not really keeping up with much |
| 15:12.58 | aszx | simonrvn for example some parts of joomla |
| 15:12.59 | ness | asg: thx |
| 15:13.03 | Wyzard | aszx: ...and sarge doesn't have PHP 5.1 |
| 15:13.04 | aszx | Wyzard and i have 5.1.6 from dotdeb |
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| 15:13.09 | aszx | Wyzard for sarge |
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| 15:13.24 | aszx | spheard np |
| 15:13.53 | Wyzard | solemnwarning: You might also get better performance on amd64 due to a higher level of optimization -- the compiler doesn't have to worry about compatibility with older processors so it can utilize all the new instructions |
| 15:13.55 | asg | aszx: did dotdeb provide security updates for all the recent php vulnerabilities? |
| 15:13.57 | jelly-home | hope that machine isn't on the internets (or that at least you have something like mod-security) |
| 15:13.59 | aszx | jelly-home yes sure, but i can't tell this to my customers |
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| 15:14.09 | aszx | asg yes |
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| 15:14.35 | Wyzard | solemnwarning: On the other hand, that might be balanced out by the fact that pointers are twice as big (8 bytes rather than 4) and take up more cache |
| 15:14.57 | aszx | anyway |
| 15:15.07 | aszx | how can i install JRE to Sarge ? |
| 15:15.14 | jelly-home | java-package |
| 15:15.21 | aszx | yes, i was trying |
| 15:15.22 | aszx | http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/debianjava.htm |
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| 15:15.31 | aszx | jelly-home but it's pringting errors |
| 15:15.40 | aszx | jelly-home mkdir: cannot create directory `/etc/.java': Permission denied |
| 15:15.42 | aszx | etc |
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| 15:15.56 | jelly-home | sounds like you're not root |
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| 15:16.09 | aszx | sure i'm not :) cos that installer won't run as root |
| 15:16.20 | Wyzard | aszx: make-jpkg is supposed to be run in fakeroot, IIRC |
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| 15:16.36 | aszx | Wyzard and this is what i was telling to you at the beginning |
| 15:16.47 | jelly-home | fakeroot won't let him write to /etc either |
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| 15:16.50 | asg | aszx: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/142 (Did you look at that howto) |
| 15:16.51 | aszx | i'm running it like 'fakeroot make-jpkg ....' |
| 15:17.03 | roxy_ | anyone knows a channel for xslt ? |
| 15:17.13 | asg | roxy_: #xml or ##xml most likely |
| 15:17.14 | wols | !install java |
| 15:17.15 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, install java is First, read <java licensing>. Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". if you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main), the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about <java-package> or install the sun-java5-jdk package from non-free if you're using etch/sid. |
| 15:17.17 | aszx | asg wait a sec |
| 15:17.20 | Wyzard | hmm, dunno then... I've done it successfully in the past, but it's been a long time since I used make-jpkg |
| 15:17.21 | ^RiaN^ | where can i download kubuntu package update in tar.gz format |
| 15:17.23 | roxy_ | asg: thanks |
| 15:17.32 | Ronin | ^RiaN^: look on google for kubuntu |
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| 15:17.38 | Wyzard | ^RiaN^: #ubuntu |
| 15:17.40 | quentin | Hi anyone have any link or resource to install debian on a completely headless computer (no graphic card and do not intend to get one) through ssh. Maybe from a livecd to provide sshd ? then debootstrap ? I'm looking for any kind of resource. Thanks. |
| 15:17.43 | wols | aszx: which means, no make-jpkg necessary |
| 15:17.45 | ^RiaN^ | ok |
| 15:17.58 | quentin | i'm talking about etch release |
| 15:18.03 | jelly-home | wols: on sarge? |
| 15:18.06 | Wyzard | wols: He's running sarge because he doesn't want to upgrade to etch |
| 15:18.10 | busfahrer | Does Debian not have a wheel group? What concept is used instead? |
| 15:18.11 | wols | !tell quentin about ig |
| 15:18.21 | kadras | hi people, i have installed debian etch (with the default kernel ) on a 4 GB server but top (or free or /proc/meminfo ) tell me i have only 3GB. High Memory (4GB) is enabled in the standard kernel. Some ideas? |
| 15:18.23 | wols | jelly-home: oops. poor him |
| 15:18.31 | wols | sooner or leter he will |
| 15:18.47 | wols | kadras: what does your BIS say? |
| 15:18.53 | kadras | wols: 4 GB |
| 15:18.56 | rking | busfahrer: i've always just used `sudo`, with certain people on the can-do-anything list |
| 15:18.58 | wols | BIOS |
| 15:19.00 | jelly-home | busfahrer: su or sudo works just fine |
| 15:19.04 | Wyzard | kadras: I've heard that you may need to specify "mem=" on the kernel options line in that case |
| 15:19.13 | wols | kadras: I'd use the amd64 debian imho |
| 15:19.19 | aszx | wols ues i will but now i really need sarge |
| 15:19.23 | quentin | wols: ig ? anything more specific i kind of fear typing that in google ? |
| 15:19.23 | busfahrer | Cheers. |
| 15:19.28 | aszx | and i need jre in it |
| 15:19.44 | jelly-home | aszx: so just install from .bin |
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| 15:19.55 | kadras | wols: on a 32 bit processor? :) |
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| 15:20.19 | kadras | Wyzard: thanks i look for this option |
| 15:20.25 | Wyzard | kadras: btw, when you say "standard kernel", do you mean the -bigmem kernel? |
| 15:20.32 | wols | 4GB on a 32bit cpu? poor you |
| 15:20.32 | Wyzard | kadras: That's the one with PAE |
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| 15:21.07 | wols | kadras: the most 32bit linux can use is 3.5GB iirc |
| 15:21.10 | Wyzard | oh, nm, you're talking about the 4GB option, not the 64GB one |
| 15:21.12 | kadras | Wyzard: no i mean the kernel installed with the base system, i dont know there is a -bigmem kernel :) |
| 15:21.20 | Wyzard | Still, I'd use the PAE one |
| 15:21.27 | jelly-home | well, bigmem is needed to make full use of 4GB |
| 15:21.47 | wols | at least per process |
| 15:21.53 | Wyzard | It also lets you utilize your processor's NX feature |
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| 15:22.22 | Wyzard | which is nice for security |
| 15:22.23 | wols | !tell quentin about ig |
| 15:22.23 | aszx | asg what exactly should i look for ? |
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| 15:22.26 | nilzy | hello there |
| 15:22.33 | wols | quentin: dpkg just messaged you. again |
| 15:22.34 | kadras | ok ok wait a minute i'm checking cpuinfo on this box |
| 15:22.37 | aszx | asg i found that many users have the same problem then i |
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| 15:25.34 | nilzy | I'm trying to find info what this 'f' flag stands for in the debian install partition menu, you can see it in the grey area, scroll down a bit here http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s03.html.en#di-partition |
| 15:25.35 | nilzy | f flag to the left of ext2 & 3 |
| 15:25.35 | Wyzard | kadras: If you're checking for PAE support, everything since the Pentium Pro has it |
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| 15:25.35 | Wyzard | kadras: but if you see "nx" in the flags line, that's something that requires PAE to work |
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| 15:26.17 | kadras | Wyzard: there is nx on cpu flags and (i really dont know) it's a 4 cpus Xeon |
| 15:27.02 | wols | kadras: 4 cpus or 4 core xeon? |
| 15:27.17 | kadras | wols: how can i check? |
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| 15:27.31 | wols | kadras: paste your full /proc/cpuinfo in a pastebin |
| 15:27.42 | Stevie-O | greetings |
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| 15:28.14 | Wyzard | kadras: What are you trying to determine? |
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| 15:28.33 | quentin | wols: thanks! |
| 15:28.45 | kadras | Wyzard: i only want that the entire 4GB ram works |
| 15:28.48 | wols | Wyzard: if he has a core2duo based xeon or not (4 cores or 4 cpus) |
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| 15:29.36 | Wyzard | kadras: The PAE kernel will probably give you that, as well as some extra security due to NX |
| 15:29.48 | wols | cause people who have a server with 4 distinct CPUs usually know they do: the amount of money it cost usually help them knowing |
| 15:29.54 | Wyzard | kadras: and if not, you just put mem=4096 or something like that in your boot options |
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| 15:31.00 | Wyzard | (I'm not sure if just plain "4096" is the right format since I've never needed to use it... it might want "4096M" or something |
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| 15:32.02 | pstickne | "util-linux" has a very poor description |
| 15:32.15 | pstickne | It doesn't mention that it is REQUIRED for normal startup. |
| 15:32.41 | pstickne | (Or at least includes /sbin/getty which is required without an appropriate replacement) |
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| 15:33.02 | Wyzard | pstickne: That's a very historical name, I believe |
| 15:33.07 | jelly-home | pstickne: well, it is Essential: yes |
| 15:33.24 | kadras | wols, Wyzard: this is my cpuinfo http://rafb.net/p/TF5uTu53.html |
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| 15:33.39 | jelly-home | pstickne: and Priority: required too |
| 15:33.43 | kadras | in the meantime i'm documenting on mem kernel option |
| 15:33.52 | wols | pstickne: it says it is essential and it has Priority: required.what else do you want? |
| 15:33.57 | Wyzard | That looks 32-bit |
| 15:34.23 | Wyzard | My cpuinfo (on a Core 2 Duo) has the line "address sizes : 36 bits physical, 48 bits virtual" |
| 15:35.01 | Wyzard | Use -bigmem |
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| 15:36.08 | wols | Wyzard: it is a woodcrest. it can do 64bit |
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| 15:36.11 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 15:36.14 | perlmonkey | what do I need to record ac3 format audio? |
| 15:36.14 | pstickne | wols: where does it say it is essential? :p |
| 15:36.18 | HardDisk_WP | what is the package for vegastrike? |
| 15:36.23 | Wyzard | wols: How can you tell? |
| 15:36.28 | HardDisk_WP | vegastrike-data and -music exist, but not vegastrike |
| 15:36.47 | Wyzard | wols: and why doesn't it show the address sizes if it's 64-bit-capable? |
| 15:36.47 | perlmonkey | hi |
| 15:36.48 | jelly-home | pstickne: dpkg -s util-linux |
| 15:36.49 | wols | Wyzard: Xeon 5130. all 5100 are woodcrests and those are the Xeon versions of the C2D |
| 15:36.51 | HardDisk_WP | and vegastrike-data dont contain the game |
| 15:36.52 | pstickne | jelly-home: thanks |
| 15:37.03 | Wyzard | interesting |
| 15:37.05 | wols | pstickne: apt-cache show util-linux |
| 15:37.33 | wols | kadras: you can run the amd64 debian. that will speed up your server since linux has easier memory management |
| 15:37.37 | perlmonkey | I need to record ac3 |
| 15:37.48 | wols | perlmonkey: adn we need you to run debian |
| 15:38.00 | perlmonkey | wols: what do you mean? I am running it |
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| 15:38.19 | wols | perlmonkey: just before, when you needed a memtest prorgam? |
| 15:38.25 | wols | *just like |
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| 15:38.35 | doc| | any comand tool for correct vga on mode console , I have a Table http://89.80.61.213/wordpress/?p=4 ,and work whit vga=791 ang =792, but some times crash, my display is 1440x900 |
| 15:38.36 | perlmonkey | that was before, im not on debian werkstation |
| 15:38.40 | perlmonkey | *now |
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| 15:39.25 | wols | ac3 is patented copyrighted, whatever by dolby labs, so how could debian support it? |
| 15:39.35 | cahoot | perlmonkey: didn't googl come up with anything re ac3? |
| 15:39.50 | mrsn0 | gstreamer backend or xine backend supports ac3 here at least |
| 15:40.08 | mrsn0 | ac3 was iffy with totem/gstreamer but totem/xine worked fine |
| 15:40.21 | wols | mrsn0: for decoding |
| 15:40.21 | jelly-home | doc|: I don't think it's a standard mode, you may have to try modes by hand to see if your bios has that mode. |
| 15:40.32 | mrsn0 | for recording i don't know |
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| 15:40.45 | cyzie | anybody have setup vpn before? |
| 15:40.46 | doc| | jelly-home: some likes Xvesa -listmodes |
| 15:40.52 | perlmonkey | oh |
| 15:41.09 | perlmonkey | I'm trying to burn a dvd using mythburn and it fails on the audio stream |
| 15:41.23 | perlmonkey | Error while opening codec for output stream #0.1 - maybe incorrect parameters such as bit_rate, rate, width or height |
| 15:41.37 | perlmonkey | Stream #0.1: Audio: ac3, 48000 Hz, stereo, 0 kb/s |
| 15:42.04 | kadras | wols, Wyzard: bigmem works :) (but i dont understand if that Xeon is 32 or 64 bit) |
| 15:42.44 | Wyzard | kadras: According to wols it's 64-bit capable, so it'd be a good idea to download the amd64 install CD and try booting it |
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| 15:42.56 | jelly-home | doc|: Debian's X server doesn't have that option AFAICT |
| 15:43.07 | wols | kadras: it is 64bit |
| 15:43.15 | wols | all Xeon 51xx are |
| 15:43.16 | kadras | Wyzard: i have to reinstall i suppose to use 64 bit : |
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| 15:43.42 | Wyzard | kadras: yes |
| 15:44.12 | doc| | jelly-home: oh, thanks, any tools for configured the comand line mode, perfect ? |
| 15:44.12 | kadras | Wyzard, wols: thanks both (if i have time to test i reistall with debian 64 bit version) |
| 15:44.32 | wols | kadras: http://www.intel.com/products/processor/xeon/specs.htm |
| 15:45.15 | spheard | it there a type of encryption available in php that doesnt use any special characters? |
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| 15:45.29 | jelly-home | doc|: which card is in there? If you use a specific fb driver, fbset may work. |
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| 15:46.09 | jelly-home | doc|: I'm lucky, my i915 BIOS is decent enough to have the native 1280x800 mode in. |
| 15:46.16 | wols | spheard: encryption for php? |
| 15:46.18 | Wyzard | spheard: The output from encryption isn't really "characters", it's just arbitrary binary data |
| 15:46.22 | doc| | jelly-home: have a driver 100.14.06 of nvidia.com |
| 15:46.35 | wols | spheard: and you can always base64 encode that |
| 15:46.41 | Wyzard | spheard: not meant to be read by humans, so why does it matter if it uses "special characters" ? |
| 15:46.55 | jelly-home | doc|: that's X driver, not fb. I guess you're out of luck with the framebuffer. |
| 15:46.57 | wols | Wyzard: 7bit cleanliness |
| 15:47.15 | spheard | Wyzard: we want to send an encrypted string via $_POST, but the string contains " and ''s |
| 15:47.28 | Wyzard | ah |
| 15:47.33 | doc| | jelly-home: ok, thanks |
| 15:47.43 | Wyzard | base64 as wols said, then |
| 15:47.53 | Wyzard | or just hex string |
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| 15:48.00 | wols | tho it shouldn't be necessary |
| 15:48.44 | x_link | Why |
| 15:48.53 | x_link | Have a question but I don't know if I can ask it here |
| 15:49.17 | perlmonkey | why |
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| 15:49.34 | perlmonkey | if in doubt, ask and apologise later |
| 15:49.37 | JosefAssad | !ask |
| 15:49.37 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 15:49.38 | spheard | so it all cos Im squeezing binary thru UTF8 |
| 15:49.39 | x_link | I returned my7600GT today cause when it didn't work. The logo of the motherboard you see when you boot was totaly messed up, right then I noticed something was wrong, then just when KDE was supposed to boot everything turned black |
| 15:49.46 | x_link | So I went and gave back the card today and got a brand new 8600GT. |
| 15:49.55 | x_link | Now the logo of the motherboard looks like it should, but when KDE is supposed to boot everything turns black. |
| 15:49.55 | Kumbi | okay |
| 15:50.06 | x_link | I loose the graphic. |
| 15:50.06 | Wyzard | ah, so it needs to be valid UTF-8 on the receiving end |
| 15:50.31 | x_link | I need to install the driver for 8-serie. But I can't do that since I can't boot with the new card. |
| 15:50.34 | x_link | Anybody? |
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| 15:50.41 | x_link | I use Debian Testing, KDE 3.5.5. |
| 15:50.44 | jelly-home | x_link: what do you mean, you can't boot? |
| 15:50.54 | Wyzard | You can boot just fine; you just can't start X |
| 15:51.05 | Wyzard | You can boot in text mode and upgrade your driver that way |
| 15:51.12 | x_link | jelly-home: Just when KDE is supposed to start/load the screen turns black |
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| 15:51.33 | jelly-home | x_link: ah, so X is not working correctly. |
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| 15:51.38 | Wyzard | Try pressing Ctrl-Alt-F1 at that point |
| 15:51.52 | Wyzard | If the video card isn't too confused, that'll get you a usable text-mode login |
| 15:52.06 | x_link | When should I do Ctrl+Alt?f1? |
| 15:52.11 | x_link | Ctrl+Alt+F1 |
| 15:52.16 | jelly-home | when it goes black |
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| 15:52.35 | jelly-home | or any time after that, doesn't really matter |
| 15:52.43 | Wyzard | i.e. when X is (or should be) running |
| 15:52.57 | x_link | ahh ok |
| 15:53.03 | Wyzard | It gets you back to the text screen you were seeing up until the point when X tried (and failed) to start |
| 15:53.06 | Wyzard | and now you'll have a login prompt there |
| 15:53.13 | x_link | So when everything turns black (just when KDE us supposed to boot) I should do Ctrl+Alt+F1? |
| 15:53.20 | x_link | Okej |
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| 15:53.26 | x_link | I will download the driver for the 8000-serie now |
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| 15:53.51 | Wyzard | You're not downloading it from nVidia, are you? |
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| 15:54.21 | Wyzard | Use the packages |
| 15:54.25 | x_link | I haven't downloaded it yet. |
| 15:54.34 | Wyzard | Testing doesn't have the 9xxx driver yet but unstable does, and you should be able to grab tht |
| 15:54.35 | Wyzard | *that |
| 15:54.36 | x_link | Does debian have the latest 8600 driver? |
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| 15:54.55 | Wyzard | 1.0.9755 is the version of the driver in unstable |
| 15:54.59 | wols | x_link: no |
| 15:55.02 | Wyzard | 1.0.8776 is in testing |
| 15:55.07 | x_link | wow |
| 15:55.11 | x_link | That's an old driver |
| 15:55.12 | wols | Wyzard: fpr a card that new I'd only go to nvidia.com |
| 15:55.15 | robin_sz | so, I have a windows box with a ODBC source (system DSN) ... and I want to query it from a Debian box ... does it need to be on the same LAN segment? or will it work over my vpn tunnel too? |
| 15:55.24 | x_link | Why shouldn't I get it from nvidia.com? |
| 15:55.36 | Wyzard | wols: 9755 doesn't support that card? |
| 15:55.38 | wols | x_link: as soon as you upgrade it will break |
| 15:55.38 | kintaro0e | hi guys..how will make my httpd to redirect if i go to: crm.foo.com --> crm.foo.com/blank |
| 15:55.42 | Wyzard | I thought that's the latest non-beta driver |
| 15:55.59 | abrotman | kintaro0e: http://httpd.apache.org/ .. read the docs |
| 15:56.03 | wols | Wyzard: 9755 came out 12/2006. the 8600 came out this may. any more questions? |
| 15:56.04 | Wyzard | x_link: Because nVidia's installer isn't packaged for Debian and doesn't know how to properly integrate itself into Debian |
| 15:56.16 | x_link | Okekj |
| 15:56.24 | x_link | I have used the nvidia.com driver all the time and it has worked fine. |
| 15:56.26 | Wyzard | x_link: It'll work in the immediate sense, but can lead to problems in the future |
| 15:56.28 | abrotman | kintaro0e: i believe oyu're looking for RedirectMatch |
| 15:56.44 | x_link | Wyzard: nvidia.com doesn't have any driver for 8600 for Linux |
| 15:56.57 | Wyzard | x_link: it screws with your OpenGL libraries in a way that bypasses the package system, for example |
| 15:56.58 | wols | x_link: then debian certainly doesn't either. |
| 15:57.05 | wols | x_link: try and get the latest from them you can find |
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| 15:57.19 | Wyzard | wols: Yes, what (non-beta) driver are 8600 users supposed to use? |
| 15:57.20 | ^^lol^^ | DCC SEND "KEYLOGGER" 0 0 0 |
| 15:57.23 | DukeDrake | hi |
| 15:57.28 | kintaro0e | abrotman: ok thanks |
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| 15:57.41 | DukeDrake | I need to write a new 'bootsector" to a disk |
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| 15:57.47 | DukeDrake | how do I do that? |
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| 15:57.49 | wols | Wyzard: dunno. but I think it is >100 in the version number |
| 15:57.57 | Wyzard | wols: That's still in beta, I believe |
| 15:58.09 | wols | at least what I remember from their vista support (that took awfully long to materialize) |
| 15:58.19 | x_link | Wyzard: I missed one thing, does Debian repo has any driver for 8600 cards? |
| 15:58.20 | wols | Wyzard: I didnt say they have a working driver yet |
| 15:58.40 | wols | x_link: very unlikely |
| 15:58.44 | Wyzard | or at least, I've heard about new beta versions of 10xx being available |
| 15:58.56 | x_link | wols: Okej, then I don't know what driver to use. |
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| 15:59.13 | Wyzard | x_link: if they don't even have a stable Windows driver yet, they're not likely to have a stable Linux one yet |
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| 15:59.22 | wols | x_link: the latest you can find on nvidia.com. for now. |
| 15:59.39 | wols | and just pray it works |
| 15:59.52 | x_link | wols: There is no drivers for 8600 for linux users |
| 15:59.56 | x_link | Not any at all |
| 16:00.01 | x_link | Only for XP and Vista and so on. |
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| 16:00.04 | Wyzard | x_link: You can use the beta 10xxx installer with the understanding that you're screwing with your OpenGL setup and things will probably break when (in particular) Mesa gets upgraded |
| 16:00.09 | DukeDrake | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:00.10 | wols | Wyzard: nvidia is VERY active lately with drivers. they feel the pressure. there can be chainges daily |
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| 16:00.36 | Wyzard | x_link: or you can use a different video card for a while until there's a released and packaged driver for that one |
| 16:00.38 | wols | DukeDrake: depends what was installed in therebfore it broke |
| 16:00.57 | wols | x_link: or you can use nv for a bit since it will most probably work |
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| 16:01.07 | DukeDrake | wols: DOS |
| 16:01.18 | wols | !find ms-sys |
| 16:01.25 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'ms-sys' (1): (/usr/bin/ms-sys, /usr/share/locale/sv_SE/LC_MESSAGES/ms-sys.mo) in admin/ms-sys. |
| 16:01.28 | wols | !info ms-sys |
| 16:01.33 | dpkg | ms-sys: (Write a Microsoft compatible boot record), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.1.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 19 kB, Installed size: 124 kB |
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| 16:02.45 | infester | any recomendations of tools for updating my time by connecting to some kind of "time server"? |
| 16:02.55 | Wyzard | infester: ntpd |
| 16:02.59 | infester | thanks |
| 16:03.02 | wols | !ntpdate |
| 16:03.02 | dpkg | somebody said ntpdate was a program that sets a system's clock using one of more NTP-servers. It's useful for setting the time occasionally (like on boot or connecting to internet). ask me about ntp. Instead of using this obsolete and unmaintained program, just run ntp-server, and add the 'iburst' option to the 'server' lines in ntp.conf. |
| 16:03.11 | dwschool | does anyone here know if it's possible to redirect internet requests from a windows server 2003 box. I would like to implement squid proxy, but i currently have window 2003 as a gateway and i would like to leave it that way and have the internet requests redirected to my linux box |
| 16:03.36 | Wyzard | dwschool: Probably, but as for how to do it, ask in a Windows channel |
| 16:03.47 | wols | DukeDrake: that is a portforwarding question about windows. no debian question |
| 16:03.51 | wols | ask a windows channel |
| 16:04.18 | DukeDrake | wols: ms-sys sounds sane o.o |
| 16:04.24 | wols | and running a linux squid proxy behind a windows NAT router really is ass backwards |
| 16:04.35 | x_link | Got a driver now for 8600, will try it and see if it works |
| 16:04.50 | wols | DukeDrake: only if you want a dos boot record again. and I can't really imagine why anyone would want one :P |
| 16:05.25 | jelly-home | wols: oh, there are raisins. |
| 16:05.54 | DukeDrake | wols: :D |
| 16:06.06 | DukeDrake | wols: I'd like to be able to use the windows on the disk =) |
| 16:06.21 | DukeDrake | that'd be apt-get install ms-sys ? =) |
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| 16:06.23 | kadras | wols: mmm so i have to remove ntp and install ntp-server on my boxs? |
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| 16:07.12 | jelly-home | DukeDrake: you probably don't need ms-sys if you only want to boot windows |
| 16:07.38 | wols | kadras: why? |
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| 16:07.56 | DukeDrake | jelly-home: how's that? |
| 16:07.57 | Wyzard | kadras: There doesn't seem to be an ntp-server package anymore (in unstable at least) |
| 16:08.00 | Wyzard | kadras: Use ntp |
| 16:08.21 | abrotman | !find ntpd sid |
| 16:08.23 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'ntpd' (3): cyrus-nntpd-2.2 ;; ntpdate ;; openntpd. |
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| 16:09.28 | kadras | wols: you with !ntpdate print a message that say that (or something similar, maybe i have misunderstood) |
| 16:09.35 | jelly-home | DukeDrake: just add a chainload entry of the windows partition in grub's configuration. There should be a commented example in default /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 16:09.59 | Wyzard | kadras: That factoid is out-of-date, that's all |
| 16:10.14 | jelly-home | !info chrony |
| 16:10.15 | dpkg | chrony: (Sets your computer's clock from time servers on the Net), section admin, is extra. Version: 1.21z-5 (sid), Packaged size: 319 kB, Installed size: 784 kB |
| 16:10.24 | abrotman | i guess it's openntpd |
| 16:10.26 | kadras | Wyzard: i'm on etch stable, but i'll follow your advice and i'll continue to use ntp :) |
| 16:10.37 | abrotman | in etch there isn't ntp-server either |
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| 16:10.56 | Wyzard | ntpd is *the* NTP daemon, basically |
| 16:10.57 | jelly-home | abrotman: chrony is yet another one ntpd, suitable for machines that are only occasionally online |
| 16:10.57 | DukeDrake | jelly-home: thanx |
| 16:11.02 | Wyzard | chrony and openntpd are alternate implementations |
| 16:11.17 | abrotman | jelly-home: i know |
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| 16:11.44 | jelly-home | abrotman: aye, just that !find ntpd didn't show it |
| 16:11.48 | Wyzard | jelly-home: How's ntp unsuitable for machines that are only occasionally online? |
| 16:11.59 | abrotman | jelly-home: because it's not called ntpd in chrony |
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| 16:12.12 | Wyzard | jelly-home: Once it's measured how fast your system's clock drifts, it'll correct for it even when it's not connected to a timeserver |
| 16:12.37 | jelly-home | Wyzard: it wants to poll the upstream rather often, and I don't think it knows when gthe connection goes up or down |
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| 16:13.20 | wols | Wyzard: ntpd is made for an always on system |
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| 16:13.48 | jelly-home | Wyzard: if misconfigured, it can lose its stratum number when offline |
| 16:13.50 | wols | for home users, ntpdate or similar is better |
| 16:14.07 | jelly-home | but ntpdate is "obsolete" or whatnot |
| 16:14.13 | Wyzard | ntpdate is a one-shot thing that doesn't correct for drift on a continuous basis |
| 16:14.15 | jelly-home | dpkg said so! |
| 16:14.16 | dpkg | Why, so I did. |
| 16:14.21 | DukeDrake | cya |
| 16:14.27 | wols | all the shitty conumer routers still use it or something similar |
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| 16:14.41 | jelly-home | Windows uses it. ;-) |
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| 16:14.45 | Wyzard | yeah, because they aren't particularly time-sensitive |
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| 16:15.10 | Wyzard | It matters mostly if you have software that gets confused if the clock suddenly "jumps" to a different time (possibly backward) |
| 16:15.11 | wols | yes. cause windows is made for desktops just as consumer routers are made for... consumers |
| 16:15.31 | jelly-home | I use it too! :-) |
| 16:15.34 | Wyzard | ntpd adjusts gradually if the clock is wrong |
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| 16:15.44 | x_link | Ahh.. works now =) |
| 16:16.03 | wols | Wyzard: for _real_ use, of course ntpd is better. but for 99% of people, not |
| 16:16.03 | jelly-home | ntpd works constantly in the background, wasting precious battery |
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| 16:17.13 | kadras | it's possible to remove the soft halt (swith to init 0 ) that i obtain when i press the physical power button? |
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| 16:17.20 | Wyzard | jelly-home: I've been running powertop on my laptop and ntpd doesn't even show up in the list of things causing the processor to wake up |
| 16:17.24 | sovrevage | What is your preffered file-integrity-checker? (ala tripwire, aide etc.) |
| 16:17.56 | Wyzard | kadras: If you want an instant power-off, hold the button for five seconds |
| 16:18.30 | HardDisk_WP | sovrevage, md5sum |
| 16:18.47 | kadras | Wyzard: no :) i dont want a software power off at all,( that 5-seconds trick is hardware embedded i suppose :) ) |
| 16:19.04 | Wyzard | yeah, the 5-second override is a hardware thing |
| 16:19.13 | Wyzard | A regular press sends an ACPI event |
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| 16:19.24 | Wyzard | The handling of the ACPI event is software, but the sending of the event is hardware |
| 16:19.43 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: uhm .. that wasn't really what he asked |
| 16:19.48 | kadras | Wyzard: so i have to modify acpid rules? |
| 16:20.11 | Wyzard | If you can find a way for a software command to do an instant power-off, you can configure acpid to do that, but I don't know of any way to do that from software |
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| 16:20.32 | jelly-home | Wyzard: oh well, there goes that thoery |
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| 16:21.08 | Wyzard | jelly-home: Unless it's causing several wakeups per second or using significant CPU time when it's active, it's not an issue |
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| 16:22.14 | kadras | ok people i break here today :) see ya |
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| 16:23.05 | sovrevage | HardDisk_WP: heh... |
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| 16:23.29 | en1gma | sup all |
| 16:24.02 | Arwen | if, when I build a package, it compiles right but dpkg-buildpackage fails due to a bad line in debian/rules, is there a way to fix rules and build the package without recompiling? |
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| 16:25.06 | BehindY0u | hey how do I change stable/unstable priorities according to whether I download the binaries or sources? |
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| 16:26.05 | flyinprogramer | hey, kind of off topic, but this script would be on a debian server, i was wondering if someone knew how to write a script of knew of a package that i could install that would do the following: when my machine boots up this script grabs the IP address on my eth0 network card, and sends it to my in an email. |
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| 16:26.23 | flyinprogramer | *or of a package |
| 16:26.28 | jelly-home | Wyzard: TBH I haven't had much luck with powertop. It's kinda weird to see folks have 100ms idle times, this Celeron-M machine can barely manage 7-8ms in C3. |
| 16:26.47 | abrotman | flyinprogramer: ifconfig -a | mail <you@youremail.com> |
| 16:27.19 | flyinprogramer | abrotman that would work :) now how do i make sure the script is run AFTER my cards are dhcp'd ? |
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| 16:27.32 | abrotman | flyinprogramer: put that in bootmisc.sh |
| 16:27.39 | cydork | flyinprogramer: what are you trying to do exactly? |
| 16:27.39 | flyinprogramer | o ok |
| 16:27.47 | Wyzard | jelly: yeah, I get a lot of wakeups from several of my drivers, like ipw2200 and ibm-acpi |
| 16:27.55 | Wyzard | oops, jelly-home ^^^ |
| 16:28.03 | jelly-home | Wyzard: ok, that's me too. |
| 16:28.11 | Wyzard | jelly-home: but my understanding is that much of that stuff will be fixed in 2.6.22 or 2.6.23 |
| 16:28.39 | abrotman | SIYH! |
| 16:28.58 | jelly-home | Wyzard: I'm even running 2.6.22-rc3 and have disabled ibm-acpi (and going wired, so no ipw2200 either) |
| 16:29.25 | Wyzard | jelly-home: powertop got updated yesterday to the version that gives recommendations, btw |
| 16:29.36 | abrotman | /nick jelly-inbetween |
| 16:29.44 | jelly-home | Wyzard: I'm at svn r144 ;-) |
| 16:30.10 | en1gma | im following a guiide on building custom kernels "http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html" and i have a couple questions. on this line "make-kpkg -rev Custom.N kernel_image" what would it look like for an example if the kernel was "linux-2.6.22-rc3" |
| 16:30.33 | jelly-home | en1gma: exactly the same. |
| 16:30.46 | en1gma | what do you mean |
| 16:31.13 | en1gma | Custom N has to be somehting dont it |
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| 16:31.13 | jelly-home | en1gma: the --revision is your own revision number, not related to kernel version |
| 16:31.24 | jelly-home | en1gma: eg. I use machine-name.0, .1 ... |
| 16:31.27 | JordiGH | I have a .sql file dumped from a SQL database somewhere. It's text, but is there something more specialised I can use to view it? |
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| 16:31.53 | en1gma | "make-kpkg -rev 001 kernel_image" would create what |
| 16:32.03 | jelly-home | JordiGH: vim with :syntax on? |
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| 16:32.28 | JordiGH | Ah, indeed there's an Emacs mode for it.. Unfortunately, the file is 180 megs and too large for Emacs to handle. :-( |
| 16:32.30 | jelly-home | en1gma: hopefully a linux-image*deb in .. |
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| 16:32.52 | abrotman | JordiGH: like what ? what do you want to get out of it ? |
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| 16:33.05 | en1gma | so linux-image wont actually be "linux-2.6.22-rc3*deb"? |
| 16:33.13 | nvz | am I like the only one who is bothered by the fact that nickserv tells me that _my_ nick is owned by someone else when I sign on, before telling me that if its my name to identify |
| 16:33.16 | JordiGH | abrotman: I want to browse it. |
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| 16:33.32 | nvz | couldnt it just say this nick is registered, if its yours identify, if not change it |
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| 16:33.33 | test_ | anyone know of an extension that adds IE like behaivior ctrl+t , ctrl+n opens current opened site in new tab or new window |
| 16:33.35 | JordiGH | abrotman: Nothing in particular. I don't really even know what the columns in it are. |
| 16:33.38 | jelly-home | en1gma: sure it will. linux-image-2.6.22-rc3-ck1_REVISION_i386.deb |
| 16:33.54 | rking | nvz: yep - one of the many examples of programmers failing to consider implications |
| 16:33.55 | en1gma | what if i built it for K7 in the .config |
| 16:33.57 | JordiGH | test_: Uh, Iceweasel already has that behaviour. |
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| 16:34.06 | test_ | nope |
| 16:34.08 | jelly-home | en1gma: nothing |
| 16:34.11 | JordiGH | test_: Just mess around with its preferences. |
| 16:34.20 | test_ | JordiGH, it dosent |
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| 16:34.35 | BehindY0u | it does for me :) |
| 16:34.35 | JordiGH | test_: Yes it does. You have to enable that annoying behaviour, though. |
| 16:34.43 | test_ | where? |
| 16:34.43 | en1gma | ok so this next line in the guide "dpkg --install ../kernel-image-VVV_Custom.N_i386.deb" will install that kernel |
| 16:35.09 | abrotman | same place as the rest |
| 16:35.19 | nvz | rking: ah, so I guess its not just me.. I've been going around telling people lately that I have more "issues" than Time magazine, which is true, but I think some of them are valid. |
| 16:35.22 | JosefAssad | eh, etpan is bloody buggy |
| 16:35.26 | JordiGH | test_: Probably in about:config. Although the tabbrowse plus or whatever the addon is called makes it easier from the Iceweasel preferences. |
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| 16:36.37 | nvz | I find comfort in waking up and seeing you people in here, wandering off for hours and comming back and you're all still doing the same things.. makes me feel like I have a life :P |
| 16:36.45 | en1gma | some kind person in here gave me one line of code for building custom kernels.....it started menuconfig and allowed me to adjust my settings then when i saved/exited menuconfig it built the kernel then installed the kernel then updated grub |
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| 16:36.56 | en1gma | it also fakerooted me |
| 16:37.04 | JordiGH | extensions.tabprefs.loadNewInBackground |
| 16:37.05 | JordiGH | in about:config |
| 16:37.09 | JordiGH | set that to true. |
| 16:37.16 | en1gma | the reason i ask about it...is becuase it worked so good |
| 16:37.22 | JordiGH | Although it looks like it indeed is an addon, tab preferences or whatever. |
| 16:37.35 | cnet2 | hi, i have debian 3.1 and now i do apt-get update and if i install anything like dnsutils, it will try to upgrade my kernel an fxxk up.. |
| 16:37.47 | wols | !kp-mantra |
| 16:37.47 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. Add MAKEFLAGS="HOSTCC=gcc-3.3 CC=gcc-3.3" before each command if you're building an older kernel |
| 16:37.53 | cnet2 | happened to me twice, and if i say no to the initrd things.. it will fail to install |
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| 16:38.12 | jelly-home | cnet2: sounds like you have stable in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:38.26 | wols | en1gma: make menuconfig && make-kpkg kernel_image |
| 16:38.27 | nvz | cnet2: you need to set your sources to sarge, not stable, or you need to dist-upgrade to etch which is now stable |
| 16:38.42 | en1gma | wols when i exit menuconfig it will atimatically build? |
| 16:38.49 | cnet2 | what-s a safe wqay to do that_ |
| 16:38.50 | cnet2 | ? |
| 16:38.53 | nvz | cnet2: depends on what libc6 version you currently have dpkg -l libc6 |
| 16:38.54 | en1gma | with no command? |
| 16:38.55 | cnet2 | dist upgrade i mean |
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| 16:39.04 | wols | cnet2: put "sarge" in there, apt-get update and then install stuff |
| 16:39.13 | nvz | cnet2: if you have etch's libc already somehow then you really NEED to upgrade |
| 16:39.15 | cnet2 | 2.3.2.ds1-22sa |
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| 16:39.22 | nvz | !info libc6 etch |
| 16:39.23 | jelly-home | cnet2: safe way to dist-upgrade? make a backup, read the release notes and follow them. :-| |
| 16:39.25 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6.ds1-13 (etch), Packaged size: 4590 kB, Installed size: 11032 kB |
| 16:39.37 | cnet2 | jaja.. ok |
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| 16:39.39 | theclaw | hi there |
| 16:39.44 | wols | en1gma: && will first concatenate commands in bash |
| 16:39.44 | JordiGH | Spanish speaker! |
| 16:40.02 | nvz | cnet2: looks like you still got sarge i guess you can probably safely change sources.list to sarge if you dont want to just apt-get update ** apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 16:40.09 | test_ | JordiGH, i dont have that one |
| 16:40.27 | JordiGH | test_: So get the addon... |
| 16:40.39 | theclaw | i use debian toghether with xfce4.4 here, the menu which shows up on clicking with the right might button includes "menudefs.hook", but its not localized anymore |
| 16:40.43 | cnet2 | i'll do it onsite... :P |
| 16:40.53 | cnet2 | i'm remote.. |
| 16:40.55 | theclaw | how to get menudefs.hook in my foreign language? |
| 16:41.00 | cnet2 | thanks anyway |
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| 16:41.38 | JordiGH | "My foreign language", heh. That's a strange way to refer to one's own language. |
| 16:41.46 | abrotman | wols: concatenate isn't quite right |
| 16:41.53 | LinuxNIT-II | can anyone point me in the right direcetion for getting direct rendering on a nvidia gforce4 ti 4200? (amd64) |
| 16:41.57 | nvz | cnet2: shouldnt matter. but I guess its better to play it safe.. you could always start a screen session and do it in there, and if it asks you to restart services just hold off on that until you get on-site it cant yank the system out from under you or anything |
| 16:42.07 | theclaw | JordiGH: sorry, i meant my native language ;) |
| 16:42.08 | test_ | JordiGH, tabbrowse plus ? |
| 16:42.16 | theclaw | JordiGH: you see, it's not english |
| 16:42.20 | JordiGH | wols: Indeed. ; concatenates. && executes second command only if first returns success. |
| 16:42.25 | cnet2 | ok thanks |
| 16:42.34 | JordiGH | test_: Something like that. I can't recall the exact name. |
| 16:43.10 | perlmonkey | 2nd time in a row |
| 16:43.24 | JordiGH | Does this make you a fluffer? |
| 16:43.36 | artagnon | Does anyone have Songbird installed and running successfully? |
| 16:43.38 | perlmonkey | a champion flutter aye |
| 16:43.47 | perlmonkey | *fluffer |
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| 16:43.58 | JordiGH | perlmonkey: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluffer |
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| 16:44.10 | wols | artagnon: real questions pleasre |
| 16:44.23 | JordiGH | !tell artagnon about anyone |
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| 16:44.52 | rob33n | hi, I'm new in debian, and I have very noob question |
| 16:45.04 | rob33n | how can I install .deb package? |
| 16:45.15 | vasundhar | dpkg --install .dev |
| 16:45.19 | vasundhar | .deb |
| 16:45.31 | rob33n | thnx |
| 16:45.35 | JordiGH | rob33n: You shouldn't need to even know that packages have a .deb extension. What are you trying to install? |
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| 16:45.50 | rob33n | I want to install skype |
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| 16:46.01 | rob33n | and I downloaded to .deb packege |
| 16:46.02 | wols | rob33n: most things are isntalled via aptitude or synaptic or such |
| 16:46.14 | JordiGH | rob33n: Oh. Carry on, then. But tell your friends about asterisk. ;-) |
| 16:46.15 | ryx | with mplayer, faad channel ordering seems to be broken |
| 16:46.16 | JordiGH | !info asterisk |
| 16:46.18 | dpkg | asterisk: (Open Source Private Branch Exchange (PBX)), section comm, is optional. Version: 1:1.4.4~dfsg-2 (sid), Packaged size: 2059 kB, Installed size: 5396 kB |
| 16:46.21 | rob33n | synapstic couldnt find it |
| 16:46.23 | ryx | screws up on lenny, works fine on gentoo |
| 16:46.48 | JordiGH | rob33n: Yeah, that's because skype is non-free. Asterisk seems to be a good free substitute, or so I've heard. |
| 16:47.04 | mrsn0 | or wengaphone :) |
| 16:47.12 | mrsn0 | (has video support on linux) |
| 16:47.20 | JordiGH | !info wengaphone |
| 16:47.27 | JordiGH | :-( |
| 16:47.39 | rob33n | JordiGH, I download debian package in skype website |
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| 16:47.46 | rob33n | but hmm |
| 16:47.51 | JordiGH | rob33n: Yes, I understand. That doesn't make it free, though. ;-) |
| 16:47.53 | JosefAssad | if asterisk is a good skype replacement, then feel free to install exim instead of outlook express |
| 16:47.56 | artagnon | Songbird doesn't seem to be in the apt tree. The sources directory has an empty dependency directory (http://developer.songbirdnest.com/nightly/dependency_snapshots/). Is it likely that the snapshot itself will have the dependencies in? (This contradicts what's said on http://publicsvn.songbirdnest.com/trac.cgi/wiki/Download_Instructions) |
| 16:47.57 | flyinprogramer | uggg ok so that line of code works abrotman, but i can't complete the send of mail to my gail account because it says my server is authorized to do that, and that i should use my ISP's relay server.... |
| 16:48.06 | rob33n | hmm I got it |
| 16:48.12 | cydork | JordiGH: asterisk is not what he wants. |
| 16:48.24 | flyinprogramer | abrotman however i have no idea how to set that up... i'm using exim4 and Verizon dsl is my relay server |
| 16:48.25 | JordiGH | cydork: I thought asterisk does VoIP? |
| 16:48.32 | flyinprogramer | abrotman i meant ISP |
| 16:48.55 | wols | flyinprogramer: asterisk is not a softphone |
| 16:49.27 | abrotman | flyinprogramer: use a smarthost |
| 16:49.29 | wols | it's a PBX, not a phone. main us of asterisk is with telephone interface cards |
| 16:49.29 | flyinprogramer | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:49.32 | cydork | JordiGH: its for totally different purpose. he needs wengophone or something similar |
| 16:49.34 | JosefAssad | JordiGH: asterisk is a PBX. Skype is a proprietary voip client. If he's installing skype, it is likely because people he knows use it. In such a case there is no replacement (at least until the Chinese publish their reverse engineering work) |
| 16:49.39 | flyinprogramer | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:49.45 | abrotman | depends on your MTA |
| 16:50.04 | wols | flyinprogramer: when you dpkg-reconfigure your mta it will ask |
| 16:50.16 | test_ | d |
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| 16:51.35 | rob33n | I can install thnx |
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| 16:51.47 | rob33n | I mean I did ti |
| 16:51.51 | rob33n | *it |
| 16:52.41 | JordiGH | rob33n: Yippie kai yay! |
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| 16:53.46 | en1gma | i have a couple questions about selecting options in menuconfig........the kernel compile option "make allmodconfig" is intresting to me....i was thinking about doing that option and then booting up that kernel and then doing an 'lsmod' and using that information to see what modules got loaded.....then i could build another kernel with the info i found in 'lsmod' but this time set those modules as built in....would that be a good idea |
| 16:54.42 | en1gma | of course some would have to stay modular but 99% could prob be set to built in |
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| 16:55.07 | NoWayMan_NotMe | I am using GDM on my xserver. If I start GDM the remote xclients connect fine at first. However, if they lose connection or logout, they can't get gdm back from the xserver. It hangs as if it never connects. Help? :) |
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| 16:59.50 | rx | hi. im looking for the source code of package firefox-gnome-support. however, i cant find it. can it be part of the firefox package? |
| 17:00.08 | NoWayMan_NotMe | apt-get source firefox-gnome-support ? |
| 17:00.20 | Hoxzer | :P |
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| 17:00.28 | JordiGH | rx: Yes, it's the Firefox source. |
| 17:00.43 | rx | thanks |
| 17:00.55 | abrotman | iceweasel-gnome-support ? |
| 17:01.12 | NoWayMan_NotMe | this iceweasel thing slays me. |
| 17:01.17 | NoWayMan_NotMe | Why did debian do that again? |
| 17:01.20 | biatche | what does "flushing" mean? like flush tables... flush cache or something like that |
| 17:01.28 | NoWayMan_NotMe | biatche: Emtpy |
| 17:01.29 | JordiGH | NoWayMan_NotMe: Because Mozilla asked us to. |
| 17:01.35 | biatche | thanks |
| 17:01.37 | NoWayMan_NotMe | biatche: iptables -F clears the rules |
| 17:01.37 | rx | http://packages.debian.org/stable/gnome/iceweasel-gnome-support |
| 17:01.44 | biatche | like flushing a toilet |
| 17:01.45 | NoWayMan_NotMe | JordiGH: :( |
| 17:02.01 | rx | theres no source for that package except the iceweasel orig package..thats what im getting now |
| 17:02.15 | sagotis | how does one go about getting mouse suport in tty (or a system without X)? |
| 17:02.17 | JordiGH | NoWayMan_NotMe: Shuttleworth has a good conciliatory blog entry about the whole thing. |
| 17:02.22 | JordiGH | rx: Yes, that's what you're supposed to be getting. |
| 17:02.31 | rx | coool |
| 17:02.33 | biatche | of relating to routing... after generating some tables, why would one want to flush the route cache? anyone mind explaining? |
| 17:02.33 | NoWayMan_NotMe | sagotis: gdm? |
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| 17:03.01 | sagotis | NoWayMan_NotMe, you mean instal gnome disply mananger? |
| 17:03.06 | sagotis | err install |
| 17:03.13 | NoWayMan_NotMe | biatche: If there are stale routes that are causing incorrect routing? |
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| 17:03.27 | NoWayMan_NotMe | sagotis: Hehe I meant gpm |
| 17:03.28 | biatche | NoWayMan_NotMe: k thanks |
| 17:03.30 | NoWayMan_NotMe | sagotis: Sorry |
| 17:03.32 | sagotis | NoWayMan_NotMe, ah |
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| 17:03.47 | NoWayMan_NotMe | sagotis: No? |
| 17:03.57 | abrotman | !gpm |
| 17:03.58 | dpkg | methinks gpm is if you can get your mouse to work in GPM but not X, set repeat_type=ms3 in /etc/gpm.conf ; /etc/init.d/gpm restart; set X to use device /dev/gpmdata and protocol Intellimouse; or (see http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-install.en.html#s-gpm also), or talk to peterS for he is the master |
| 17:04.54 | NoWayMan_NotMe | I am using GDM on my xserver. If I start GDM the remote xclients connect fine at first. However, if they lose connection or logout, they can't get gdm back from the xserver. It hangs as if it never connects. Help? :) |
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| 17:05.35 | sagotis | NoWayMan_NotMe, yeah that was it, and thank u very much |
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| 17:06.24 | NoWayMan_NotMe | sagotis: You are most welcome. |
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| 17:07.14 | en1gma | with "linux-headers-2.6.21-1" where is the "linux-image-2.6.21-1" that matches it? i dont see it in the repo |
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| 17:07.56 | en1gma | wouldnt that be the exact source that came from kernel.org |
| 17:08.15 | azeem | en1gma: you'd need to specify the arch as well |
| 17:08.18 | azeem | subarch, I mean |
| 17:08.36 | en1gma | 1 sec going to www.kernel.org |
| 17:08.40 | Studiosus | hi, all! when i do '/etc/init.d/networking restart' (via dhcp) my system breaks dns lookup for some reason. reboot rescues, or sometimes dns lookup fixes after a while. can anyone help? |
| 17:08.48 | azeem | en1gma: what does this have to do with kernel.org? |
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| 17:09.20 | en1gma | linux-2.6.21.3.tar.bz2 .....i dont see no arch |
| 17:09.25 | NoWayMan_NotMe | Studiosus: dns servers are in /etc/resolv.conf, check for a difference after restart. |
| 17:09.35 | en1gma | you have to make your arch |
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| 17:09.52 | azeem | en1gma: I meant: the linux-image-* package include the subarch in the package name, like -686 |
| 17:09.55 | Studiosus | NoWayMan_NotMe, there are no difference! |
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| 17:11.22 | en1gma | dont debian offer the ORIGINAL kernel (untouched) from kernel.org? |
| 17:11.22 | azeem | en1gma: no |
| 17:11.22 | en1gma | ahh ok |
| 17:11.22 | purplepenguins | Not really |
| 17:11.22 | en1gma | i going to go get it now |
| 17:11.22 | purplepenguins | Do they patch the kernel? |
| 17:11.22 | NoWayMan_NotMe | Studiosus: ... do you have a firewall getting started? Maybe it's dropping DNS? |
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| 17:11.23 | en1gma | and what is kbuild really....its not needed if i were to follow the instruction in the readme of the sources from kernel.org right? |
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| 17:11.26 | en1gma | and not do it the debian-way |
| 17:11.28 | azeem | en1gma: why do you want to compile a kernel? |
| 17:11.45 | poonj | hey guys...do the ATI linux drivers work well? |
| 17:11.49 | en1gma | cause i love compiling kernels...im just not used to doing it the debian way |
| 17:11.50 | NoWayMan_NotMe | Studiosus: You have to allow port 53 out on the local system if you want to hit DNS servers. Is it possible your network script starts a firewall when run by hand? |
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| 17:12.16 | NoWayMan_NotMe | en1gma: The "debian" way? I mean... get source->compile that seems universal. |
| 17:12.17 | Studiosus | NoWayMan_NotMe, I'll check now, but it's likely |
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| 17:12.25 | purplepenguins | Do you mean the open-source or closed-source drivers poonj? |
| 17:12.45 | Studiosus | NoWayMan_NotMe, sorry, I meant, it's UNlikely :) |
| 17:12.45 | en1gma | what is "get source" mean |
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| 17:12.53 | JeffH | what package do I need to reconfigure to change Etch from using a dynamic IP to a static IP? |
| 17:12.57 | NoWayMan_NotMe | en1gma: Get the kernel source? |
| 17:12.58 | purplepenguins | If you want 3D acceleration then you'll need the closed source drivers |
| 17:12.59 | en1gma | you talking apt-get or are you talking me goto www.kernel.org and manually get it |
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| 17:13.09 | azeem | en1gma: /msg dpkg kp-mantra |
| 17:13.13 | en1gma | i read it |
| 17:13.26 | azeem | so? |
| 17:13.26 | Studiosus | JeffH, you need to edit /etc/network/interfaces, see man interfaces |
| 17:13.26 | en1gma | so what is the answer to my q i gave you |
| 17:13.35 | en1gma | [07:12] <en1gma> you talking apt-get or are you talking me goto www.kernel.org and manually get it |
| 17:13.35 | poonj | purplepenguins, closed source, I'm looking to buy a X1300 |
| 17:13.43 | poonj | or should i stick with an nvidia card? |
| 17:13.48 | purplepenguins | I hear they're not the greatest but they work |
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| 17:13.54 | JeffH | thanks Studiosus |
| 17:13.58 | purplepenguins | Personally I hate ATi and buy only Nvidia |
| 17:13.58 | NoWayMan_NotMe | en1gma: Check out the mantra. |
| 17:14.24 | en1gma | i rad it |
| 17:14.24 | en1gma | now what about my Q |
| 17:14.24 | NoWayMan_NotMe | en1gma: apt-get source kernel-package |
| 17:14.32 | en1gma | i did that...that is for the debian way |
| 17:14.43 | NoWayMan_NotMe | en1gma: That just grabs the source... |
| 17:14.57 | en1gma | to which kernel |
| 17:15.13 | NoWayMan_NotMe | en1gma: The version of the package. apt-cache show kernel-package |
| 17:15.17 | en1gma | to the only one listed in etch lenny or sid? |
| 17:15.20 | en1gma | okie |
| 17:15.25 | en1gma | let me check it |
| 17:15.28 | en1gma | 1 sec and thanks |
| 17:15.37 | NoWayMan_NotMe | "kernel-package" needs to be replaced with the kernel you want |
| 17:15.41 | NoWayMan_NotMe | apt-cache search linux kernel |
| 17:15.45 | wols | en1gma: either. debian works fine with the kernel source package or with kernel.org source |
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| 17:16.21 | en1gma | yea im just not sure what the kbuild is for |
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| 17:16.36 | en1gma | if i get my info from kernel.org it will contain everything i need |
| 17:16.50 | en1gma | if i do it the debian way there are a few things i have to watch for |
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| 17:17.25 | poonj | purplepenguins, okay, I'm just trying to get whats cheap |
| 17:17.25 | poonj | heh |
| 17:17.38 | en1gma | if i just want to do it the non-debian-way all i need to get everytime is just build-essential right? |
| 17:18.22 | Studiosus | NoWayMan_NotMe, I did /etc/init.d/networking restart - no FW started, and DNS works. Seems to me there's some bug either in dhcp client or in my kernel. |
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| 17:18.53 | NoWayMan_NotMe | Studiosus: nah. probably a fluke? maybe it was specific name servers you were hitting? |
| 17:19.10 | hatta | how can I find out what packages are included in tasksel tasksS? |
| 17:19.14 | NoWayMan_NotMe | apt-cache showpkg tasksel ? |
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| 17:19.34 | hatta | no, not the tasksel package, but the tasks tasksel sets up |
| 17:19.37 | Studiosus | hmm, I receive /etc/resolv.conf from DHCP server and there's always same 2 DNS servers. |
| 17:19.43 | en1gma | the reason i think its a good idea to do it the non-debian-way is because when i dload through apt-get it just ammends the /usr/src/linux stuff (its not complete) so that means it must have links to the prev sources |
| 17:19.44 | hatta | what is included in "standard system" for instance |
| 17:19.55 | en1gma | it getting kind of funny in the /usr/src area |
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| 17:20.37 | NoWayMan_NotMe | en1gma: The "debian" way makes it easy to integrate the newly compiled kernel. Learning how to use APT will prove invaluable if you want an easy installation/integration of a new kernel. |
| 17:21.09 | sagotis | is there any way to change the resolution of tty screens? |
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| 17:21.33 | abrotman | fb |
| 17:21.33 | Studiosus | en1gma, do kernel compile a debian way! there's no drawbacks to debian-way, and non-debian way makes usage of debian tools such as module-assistant hard, if possible |
| 17:21.37 | NoWayMan_NotMe | sagotis: Some crazy frame buffer stuff |
| 17:21.38 | en1gma | yea i believe "the-debian-way" has its purposes but when you start to go into make menuconfig and you are only in a /usr/src/linux that = 5megs i get a strange feeling |
| 17:22.03 | sagotis | NoWayMan_NotMe: can u walk me through it? |
| 17:22.26 | NoWayMan_NotMe | sagotis: Unfortunately not. I have yet to set it up. The kubuntu wiki might have some valuable information though. |
| 17:22.57 | NoWayMan_NotMe | sagotis: Also, gentoo uses a really nifty FB. You could look at their documentation on how it works. |
| 17:23.14 | RichiH | is there a way to tell apt to do a dist-upgrade, but not to remove anything i don't allow it to remove? |
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| 17:23.32 | azeem | RichiH: yes, it's called "aptitude" |
| 17:23.34 | sagotis | NoWayMan_NotMe: ok ill do that thanks |
| 17:23.54 | JordiGH | sagotis: I think you have to tell your kernel to use the framebuffer or something like that. At any rate, passing the parameter "vga=791" to my kernel at compile time gives me higher resolution on the ttys. |
| 17:24.02 | RichiH | azeem: why are you all trying to make me switch? ;) |
| 17:24.13 | RichiH | azeem: what would i do to do this, with aptitude? |
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| 17:24.33 | JordiGH | sagotis: You might have to use a different value instead of 791, depending on what your video card supports. There's a way to find out what video modes it supports, but I forget. :-/ |
| 17:24.33 | NoWayMan_NotMe | JordiGH: Does it give you any cool logos or anything? I'd use vim+vim-shell as an OS on my laptop if it's pretty :) |
| 17:24.51 | sagotis | JordiGH: so it involves recompile of kernel? |
| 17:25.17 | JordiGH | NoWayMan_NotMe: Yeah, sure, you can use logos. There's even a Debian logo package. |
| 17:25.18 | JordiGH | sagotis: No, just a kernel parameter at boot time. If you boot with grub, you have to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 17:25.20 | azeem | RichiH: well, you'd be able to manually review what aptitude does, so would be able to check through the list of removed packages and mark them to be installed again |
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| 17:25.46 | azeem | RichiH: of course, this might not work very well when they are in the Conflicts: of an important package or so (after all, there was a reason for them to be removed) |
| 17:25.47 | RichiH | you mean i allow it to remove stuff and the simply reinstall that stuff? |
| 17:25.48 | sagotis | JordiGH: do u know a site with a good walkthrough? |
| 17:25.48 | JordiGH | !info kernel-patch-debianlogo |
| 17:25.51 | dpkg | kernel-patch-debianlogo: (Display a Debian logo on a framebuffer device at boottime), section devel, is extra. Version: 1.5 (sid), Packaged size: 56 kB, Installed size: 92 kB |
| 17:26.35 | RichiH | azeem: i could do without upgrading whatever has the Conflict |
| 17:26.35 | azeem | RichiH: no, it presents you with a list of package it will install/remove/keep-as-is, you'll review that list |
| 17:26.35 | wols | sagotis: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Framebuffer-HOWTO.html perhaps |
| 17:26.43 | azeem | RichiH: but then, I don't use apitude a lot, either |
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| 17:27.12 | sagotis | wols thanks |
| 17:27.20 | JordiGH | sagotis: No, but it's pretty easy. In menu.lst, the line that says "kernel /path/to/kernel/kernelversion/ param1 param2" just add "vga=791" to the parameters in there. It's very likely to work unless you're using a laptop or a weird display. |
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| 17:29.34 | sagotis | JordiGH: im sitting on an old system right now that only has a 4 meg pci vid card |
| 17:29.36 | JordiGH | sagotis: Hm. Then it might not work, but I'm sure other video modes would work. I'm sorry, but then you'll have to read through wols's suggestion in order to find out which video modes your card supports. |
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| 17:30.34 | en1gma | when i run 'make menuconfig' i get this http://pastebin.ca/516366 |
| 17:30.44 | RichiH | azeem: i think i am groking it |
| 17:30.46 | en1gma | i have libcurses |
| 17:30.57 | chupie | ok, i have debian installed on dell inspiron 1300, i got the resolution problem fixed now, but i can't get my wireless to work |
| 17:30.58 | RichiH | though i don't want it to install all recommended packages |
| 17:31.03 | chupie | i have a Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] 802.11g Wireless LAN Controller |
| 17:31.57 | flyinprogramer | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:31.58 | JosefAssad | en1gma: libncurses-dev |
| 17:31.58 | robin_sz | thankfully, he seems to have gone away. ... now, has anyone else any bright ideas as to how to expose a ODBC source on a windows box over TCP?? |
| 17:31.58 | flyinprogramer | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:31.58 | en1gma | ok thanks |
| 17:31.58 | JosefAssad | ODBC over TCP? Oh horror! |
| 17:32.38 | abrotman | flyinprogramer: i'd put it after the rm for /tmp |
| 17:32.39 | JordiGH | Hey, this is pretty cool... hitting the eject button on the cdrom drive makes KDE attempt to umount the cdrom. How does it do that? |
| 17:32.39 | wols | robin_sz: yes. ask a windows channel |
| 17:32.44 | flyinprogramer | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:32.59 | abrotman | uhm .. if you put it there . .yes |
| 17:33.01 | JordiGH | chupie: Google around and figure out what drivers it needs. Almost surely it needs non-free drivers. |
| 17:33.06 | wols | en1gma: libncurses5-dev |
| 17:33.09 | abrotman | !abp |
| 17:33.11 | abrotman | hrm |
| 17:33.30 | JordiGH | chupie: ndiswrapper might be relevant |
| 17:33.32 | en1gma | what about this one http://pastebin.ca/516369 |
| 17:33.34 | robin_sz | well, I need someway for this debain box to access an odbc source. I figure its something to do with the unixodbc package |
| 17:33.38 | en1gma | thats when i do xconfig |
| 17:33.38 | wols | !bcm43xx |
| 17:33.38 | dpkg | rumour has it, bcm43xx is the broadcom 43xx series driver; originally available as a patch at http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/, it has been included in all kernels after 2.6.17-rc2. http://wiki.debian.org/BCM43xx |
| 17:33.40 | chupie | JordiGH: i just isntalled ndiswrapper |
| 17:33.55 | chupie | looking for drivers to use |
| 17:33.55 | wols | !tell chupie about bcm43xx |
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| 17:34.04 | wols | chupie: not needed |
| 17:34.23 | robin_sz | chupie, ignore that bcm43xx crap, use ndiswrapper. the bcm43xx stuff wont do 54mbs |
| 17:34.51 | rduke15_ | I once searched how to access an ODBC on Windows remotely. Didn't find a good solution, so moved the data to PostgreSQL on Linux, and used Access on Windows only as a frontend. |
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| 17:35.20 | robin_sz | rduke15_, as soon as I can extract the data of this doze box, its all on MySQL anyway |
| 17:35.24 | luca____ | chi ascolta michael angelo batio? |
| 17:36.31 | Piet | hi, i'm trying to determine how to define a device as an early crypto disk, so that it will be decrypted in a early boot stage. |
| 17:36.37 | Piet | anyone knows? |
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| 17:37.32 | sobersabre | what type of partition do I need to set the partition for RAID ? |
| 17:37.40 | sobersabre | autodetect RAID ? |
| 17:37.45 | sobersabre | or linux ? |
| 17:38.03 | JordiGH | Piet: I don't know any details except that the Debian installer uses lvm to set up encrypted partitions. |
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| 17:40.05 | robin_sz | rduke15_, theres a couple of almost useful things ... http://odbcsock.sourceforge.net/ and http://www.fastflow.it/dbtcp/ |
| 17:40.10 | Piet | sobersabre: for a multidisk (md) software raid, it's just 'linux' |
| 17:40.14 | sagotis | JordiGH, wols, NoWayMan_NotMe: what is this menuconfig? |
| 17:40.36 | Piet | JordiGH: thanks, but this wont help me there |
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| 17:40.53 | sobersabre | Piet: no matter which FS type I will format it later on to ... right ? |
| 17:41.08 | JordiGH | Piet: I left my encrypted partition in my other computer. The fstab entry is probably relevant too. :-/ |
| 17:41.37 | JordiGH | sagotis: Are you compiling a kernel? I don't think you need to... |
| 17:42.12 | aadil | Piet, u tried truecrypt? |
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| 17:42.39 | rduke15_ | robin_sz: If you want to move the data anyway, I would first set up the MySQL DB, then connect to it from Windows through ODBC to move the data. |
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| 17:42.57 | chupie2 | sweet |
| 17:43.00 | chupie2 | working |
| 17:43.29 | JordiGH | chupie2: Now go nag the hardware manufacturers about not giving you free drivers. ;-) |
| 17:43.33 | robin_sz | rduke15_, my ability to anything programmy on windows is precisely zero. its going to have to be sucked off from the linux end, or not at all |
| 17:43.37 | chupie2 | lol |
| 17:44.55 | NoWayMan_NotMe | So... after editting /etc/inittab "telinit <current runlevel>" is the same as the old program "reinit" no? |
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| 17:45.40 | unseensoul | is there any package similar to download accelerator plus? |
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| 17:46.28 | NoWayMan_NotMe | hah! not it's not. telinit -q makes it reread inittab |
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| 17:47.20 | anonymou | does anyone know of a Nvu package that works on Debian x64.. I hate using Bluefish.. and whenever I try to load up Nvu it says something like "segmentation fault" or it comes up but there are no icons.. anyone know of a good .deb to install that works? |
| 17:47.46 | abrotman | try the iceape composer |
| 17:48.23 | JordiGH | anonymou: And file a bug report over that segfault. |
| 17:48.30 | sagotis | JordiGH: the walkthrough that wols seems to suggest either a kenerel rebuild or the use of fbset, is this right? |
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| 17:48.51 | en1gma | what does the "- |
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| 17:48.53 | en1gma | grrr |
| 17:48.57 | anonymou | abrotman: iceape composer is nowhere near as nice as Nvu |
| 17:49.03 | Fuwex | How do I install support for sound? I've got a Debian Etch server (which has no X servers or anything, I've just got remote connections to it, although physical access as well), which I just installed VMware Server on, and I've got a Windows XP Professional virtual machine, which I connect to through RDP. RDP is capable of remote sound, so I'd like to enable sound on my system. How do I proceed? |
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| 17:49.07 | abrotman | flyinprogramer: make your own and run it S99 |
| 17:49.08 | en1gma | what does the "-" do in 'tar xvf -' |
| 17:49.11 | anonymou | but thanks for the info |
| 17:49.15 | abrotman | anonymou: i thought nvu was abandoned ? |
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| 17:49.22 | anonymou | heck no |
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| 17:49.36 | abcdef | anyone runs vmware on 64 bit debian? |
| 17:49.41 | purplepenguins | the only editor you need is vim |
| 17:49.44 | en1gma | i dont remember tar doing anything with a "-" |
| 17:49.47 | cahoot | Fuwex: alsa-utils and dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base should do |
| 17:49.51 | JordiGH | sagotis: Sounds outdated. All Debian kernels should have the framebuffer enabled. Skip the kernel building part and read on to the part that tells you how to find out which video modes your card supports. Or just try 791 and see if that works. |
| 17:49.57 | Fuwex | cahoot, ok, thanks :) |
| 17:50.10 | abrotman | maybe in #vmware |
| 17:50.16 | JeffH | When I do 'apt-get postfix' I get a message that says 'WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! openssl ssl-cert postfix'? Anyone know how I get them to be authenticated? Am I missing some package or soemthing? |
| 17:50.18 | Fuwex | cahoot, do I need any reboots? |
| 17:50.19 | en1gma | 'bzip2 -dc linux-2.6.21.3.tar.bz2 | tar xvf - ' what is the dash for |
| 17:50.27 | JordiGH | abcdef: According to the latest popcon results, about 10% of Debian users do, iirc. |
| 17:50.30 | abrotman | !topic |
| 17:50.31 | cahoot | Fuwex: no not for this |
| 17:50.35 | Fuwex | great :) |
| 17:50.38 | bzed | JeffH: apt-get install debian-keyring && apt-get update |
| 17:50.48 | sagotis | JordiGH: it suggests that a number that would work is 0x318? |
| 17:50.49 | JeffH | bzed: thanks. |
| 17:50.57 | JordiGH | sagotis: yeah, you can use hex too. |
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| 17:51.07 | cahoot | Fuwex: we are speaking of sound on etch - no? |
| 17:51.12 | Fuwex | yes |
| 17:51.18 | bzed | en1gma: to tell tar to read from stdin |
| 17:51.25 | sagotis | JordiGH: but only gives a walkthough for lilo not grub :( |
| 17:51.34 | bzed | en1gma: you could just use tar xvfj linux-2..... |
| 17:52.28 | JordiGH | sagotis: btw, 0x318 = 792. And if it's talking about Lilo, it's definitely outdated. Do what I said earlier about adding vga=791 as a boot parameter in menu.lst |
| 17:52.28 | en1gma | ok so it actually isnt a type |
| 17:52.30 | en1gma | thanks |
| 17:52.34 | en1gma | typo* |
| 17:52.48 | JordiGH | sagotis: If 791 doesn't work, then try 792 |
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| 17:54.08 | abrotman | those modes have a meaning |
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| 17:55.10 | chupie | ok, got that working now.. but how do i get the laptop to be able to suspend/hibernate, and gnome-power-management is already installed |
| 17:55.52 | anonymou | abrotman: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=555286 |
| 17:55.53 | JordiGH | abrotman: Yeah, yeah, resolution and refresh rates... |
| 17:55.58 | Fuwex | cahoot, hmm, VMware Server can't find the sound device |
| 17:56.05 | sagotis | JordiGH: how do i edit menu.list? |
| 17:56.17 | sagotis | JordiGH: vim doesnt seem to work :) |
| 17:56.22 | anonymou | abrotman: so it is still being developed.. Debian has just abandoned support which is teh suck |
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| 17:56.41 | Fuwex | cahoot, shouldn't the sound device be in /dev and be called /dev/dsp or something like that? |
| 17:56.46 | JeffH | bzed: after installing the keys its still saying they can't be authenticated. Any idea what's going on there? |
| 17:56.52 | cahoot | Fuwex: but it works in linux per se? |
| 17:57.03 | Fuwex | I don't know, I have no means of testing |
| 17:57.12 | JordiGH | sagotis: Uh, you need root privs to edit it. |
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| 17:57.25 | cahoot | Fuwex: run yes|aplay in a terminal |
| 17:57.25 | JeffH | nevermind |
| 17:57.25 | JordiGH | sagotis: Of course vim should work, unless your vim is broken. |
| 17:57.31 | Fuwex | cahoot, ok |
| 17:57.43 | Fuwex | cahoot, ALSA can't find the card |
| 17:57.52 | abrotman | anonymou: or the packager qiut .. you can adopt it if you like :) |
| 17:58.04 | Fuwex | cahoot, I'm not sure if there even is a card, but there should be an integrated one in the mainboard I assume |
| 17:58.05 | jovan | is openoffice 2.1 an unstable office suite |
| 17:58.06 | cahoot | Fuwex: do you know the type of card? |
| 17:58.17 | Fuwex | cahoot, let me find the system specifications |
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| 17:58.22 | cahoot | Fuwex: lspci would tell |
| 17:58.50 | artagnon | what's the difference between linux-image-2.6-486 and linux-image-2.6-686? |
| 17:58.54 | JordiGH | jovan: Odd version number, yes, development version. |
| 17:58.57 | Fuwex | cahoot, ok |
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| 17:59.15 | aadil | artagnon, 200 |
| 17:59.17 | en1gma | "/home/nunyer/linux-2.6.21.3/README" says to 'cd linux' but i dont have a dir named that....is it supposed to follow some enviromental variable that puts me in the sources dir? |
| 17:59.18 | jelly-home | artagnon: the latter doesn't work on some processors |
| 17:59.20 | Fuwex | cahoot, I can't see any mentioning of a sound card there |
| 17:59.27 | anonymou | abrotman: how can I do that? |
| 17:59.32 | dondelelcaro | anonymou: the reason why we've dropped support is simply because no one has come forward to support it. If you want it supported in Debian, jump in and do the work. |
| 17:59.42 | en1gma | with slackware i believe i used to have to make a symlink or something |
| 17:59.48 | JordiGH | jovan: Er, never mind. I lie. |
| 18:00.00 | cahoot | Fuwex: if thatäs true it would tend to be a problem |
| 18:00.06 | artagnon | jelly-home: I thought both operated on simple 32 bit processors. Could you provide an example? |
| 18:00.08 | jovan | ? |
| 18:00.09 | sagotis | JordiGH: hmm wasnt menu.list in boot dir, however when I use locate it shows it in /var/lib/dpkg/info/menu.list, this right? |
| 18:00.25 | anonymou | dondelelcaro: I'm a newb.. but I could *pay* for someone else to support it, if anyone's interested. |
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| 18:00.37 | Fuwex | cahoot, so there's no card? |
| 18:00.40 | anonymou | (but I can't do it myself) |
| 18:00.43 | JordiGH | sagotis: You don't have a /boot/grub/menu.lst file? |
| 18:00.44 | jovan | what i mean i cannot believe why openoffice 2.0.4 is in testing soory i am using testin |
| 18:00.58 | JordiGH | jovan: Why, what's wrong with it? |
| 18:01.18 | dondelelcaro | anonymou: well, you can always make a post on debian-jobs about it, but odds are someone who isn't already using it isn't going to support it |
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| 18:01.21 | sagotis | JordiGH: LOL i was looking for the wrong file no woner |
| 18:01.25 | jelly-home | artagnon: -686 is any intel cpu >= Pentium Pro. that one doesn't work on eg. P1, 486, or some low power CPUs (VIA). |
| 18:01.32 | cahoot | Fuwex: IIRC most on board cards show up in lspci |
| 18:01.37 | dondelelcaro | for example, there's no way I'd ever package something that I personally didn't use |
| 18:01.42 | jovan | it is too old |
| 18:01.45 | Fuwex | cahoot, ok |
| 18:01.47 | jovan | for me |
| 18:01.52 | JordiGH | jovan: But does it work right? |
| 18:02.00 | Fuwex | strange, even though it's a server PC I'd expect there to be an on-board sound card |
| 18:02.02 | jovan | don't works fine |
| 18:02.02 | artagnon | jelly-home: I see. Thank you for the info |
| 18:02.05 | Ronin | i think jovan forgot how debian operates when it comes to packages |
| 18:02.05 | anonymou | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 18:02.25 | JordiGH | jovan: Then you could attempt to install unstable or compile your own OO.o. |
| 18:02.26 | PingFloyd | anonymou: just download the source tarball and build it |
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| 18:02.45 | ofirg_ | after updating resolv.conf do I need to ifdown/ifup? |
| 18:02.47 | jovan | yes unstable is better but no sid net inst isos availib why? |
| 18:02.55 | jovan | or dayly sid iso's |
| 18:03.04 | dondelelcaro | jovan: because there's no point in the things |
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| 18:03.14 | dondelelcaro | jovan: anyone who uses sid knows enough to install stable and upgrade to sid |
| 18:03.37 | jovan | so i am using here lenny |
| 18:03.38 | anonymou | PingFloyd: I've tried that. It says it can't compile and I'm new to Debian so I don't know what I'm missing. I've tried the tar.gz installing and doing a ./configure etc. but it just shits out |
| 18:03.44 | jelly-home | jovan: you might try looking at backports.org site for newer version built for stable. |
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| 18:04.06 | dondelelcaro | jovan: if you're using testing, then just wait. openoffice.org 2.2 will enter testing soon enough |
| 18:04.20 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: [citation needed] |
| 18:04.28 | jovan | ok |
| 18:04.31 | anonymou | is debian-jobs an IRC channel or website? and where is its address |
| 18:04.32 | dondelelcaro | jovan: ? |
| 18:04.40 | dondelelcaro | s/jovan/JordiGH/ |
| 18:04.42 | jovan | yes? |
| 18:04.42 | PingFloyd | anonymou: http://www.nvu.com/Building_From_Source.php |
| 18:04.54 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: Why are you saying OO.o will enter testing soon? |
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| 18:05.06 | jelly-home | !info openoffice.org sid |
| 18:05.09 | dpkg | openoffice.org: (OpenOffice.org Office suite), section editors, is optional. Version: 2.2.1~rc1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 128 kB, Installed size: 256 kB |
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| 18:05.18 | flyinprogramer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:05.26 | jelly-home | JordiGH: why shouldn't it? |
| 18:05.27 | alecssys | how can i convert multiple images to tiff multipage ? |
| 18:05.34 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: I said soon enough; the fact that it's in sid tells you that it's on its way. |
| 18:06.03 | flyinprogramer | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:06.07 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Trying to get the unstable one from sid while sitting here in testing makes aptitude give up on attempting to do conflict resolution. :-( |
| 18:06.15 | jovan | but one thing i must say...debian is for me the fastest os ever |
| 18:06.21 | abrotman | ever ? |
| 18:06.24 | JordiGH | EVER! |
| 18:06.29 | alecssys | flyinprogramer: .. gimp ? |
| 18:06.30 | jovan | ;) |
| 18:06.32 | anonymou | PingFloyd: thanks |
| 18:06.37 | PingFloyd | anonymou: np |
| 18:06.51 | jelly-home | JordiGH: that's a common symptom :-) |
| 18:06.52 | dondelelcaro | http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=openoffice.org <-- is the full saga, if you actually want to know |
| 18:06.59 | sagotis | JordiGH: strange when i issue vim /boot/grub/menu.1st an empty file comes up? |
| 18:07.09 | abrotman | l .. not 1 |
| 18:07.22 | jelly-home | menu.<TAB> :-) |
| 18:07.25 | JordiGH | jelly-home: It's the first time *I* see aptitude giving up. |
| 18:07.52 | JordiGH | sagotis: Er, sometimes menu.lst is just a symlink... ls /boot/grub says what? |
| 18:08.10 | flyinprogramer | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:08.46 | sagotis | JordiGH: ls /boot/grub/ states that menu.1st is in fact in there |
| 18:08.54 | abrotman | L not one |
| 18:08.58 | wols | JordiGH: how does grub then find its config? |
| 18:09.02 | jelly-home | JordiGH: WFM! Score is -1719 Accept this solution? [Y/n/q/?] |
| 18:09.08 | alecssys | flyinprogramer: i know what gimp is .. but what does gimp have to do with it ? ... the tiff extension is mainly about text ... like pdf |
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| 18:09.41 | JordiGH | jelly-home: But it didn't give up! |
| 18:09.43 | JosefAssad | tiff in my experience has been image |
| 18:09.44 | jelly-home | JordiGH: nope |
| 18:09.45 | gravity | alecssys: tiff's are graphics files |
| 18:09.48 | flyinprogramer | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:09.49 | gravity | lossless |
| 18:09.58 | JordiGH | wols: grub.conf or something like that... |
| 18:10.12 | jelly-home | JordiGH: i386 here, btw. updated about an hour ago. |
| 18:10.14 | wols | JordiGH: in debian? |
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| 18:11.04 | JordiGH | wols: No; can't remember where I saw something like that. In Fedora, I think. But sagotis keeps saying he can't find /boot/grub/menu.lst, so I'm trying to think of why that could be. |
| 18:11.23 | wols | sagotis: what debian version are you running? |
| 18:11.24 | JordiGH | jelly-home: It's newere! |
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| 18:11.26 | sagotis | JordiGH: no its in /boot/grub |
| 18:11.36 | sagotis | wols: version 4.0 |
| 18:11.36 | JordiGH | sagotis: Is it nonempty? |
| 18:12.17 | wols | sagotis: how big is the file? |
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| 18:12.41 | jelly-home | JordiGH: ... |
| 18:12.56 | JordiGH | jelly-home: New == good. |
| 18:13.18 | wols | JordiGH: exactly. which is why experimental is best branch of debian |
| 18:13.22 | sagotis | JordiGH, wols: I am sorry it was a typo on my part i did menu.1st when it shoudl ahve been menu.lst - blah |
| 18:13.34 | JordiGH | Oh. |
| 18:13.37 | JordiGH | lst, lst, lst. |
| 18:13.37 | abrotman | i said that!!!!!!!!!! |
| 18:13.38 | JordiGH | list! |
| 18:13.49 | JordiGH | abrotman: I didn't realise you were talking to sagotis. |
| 18:13.52 | jelly-home | JordiGH: ... |
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| 18:13.54 | jelly-home | :-) |
| 18:13.55 | wols | abrotman: who listens to you anyways? |
| 18:13.57 | abrotman | get better fonts! |
| 18:14.09 | JordiGH | abrotman: Use nick tab completion. ;-) |
| 18:14.10 | abrotman | or don't use them at all :) |
| 18:14.13 | jelly-home | readme.1st |
| 18:14.20 | abrotman | JordiGH: should be pretty damn obvious |
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| 18:15.18 | jelly-home | JordiGH: wow, it has some linear programming solver! |
| 18:15.25 | JordiGH | abrotman: Hey, the channel is noisy. If it's not highlighted, it's none of my business unless I decide to stick my nose in other people's business. ;-) |
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| 18:15.33 | JordiGH | jelly-home: What, OO.o? |
| 18:15.37 | jelly-home | JordiGH: that's one thing that Excel was better at. |
| 18:15.40 | JordiGH | Big whoop. Octave has non-linear optimisation. |
| 18:16.21 | abrotman | JordiGH: come on |
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| 18:16.55 | jelly-home | ooh, Simplex method ... /me remembers the uni |
| 18:17.09 | JordiGH | Excel is such a piece of crap. Defective by design, and OO.o Calc is defective by imitation. It's so annoying to see people even attempt to do real numerical analysis on Excel. It's like typesetting mathematics in Word. ;-) |
| 18:17.20 | sagotis | JordiGH: ok im putting it as /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-486 root=/dev/hda1 ro vga=792, correct? |
| 18:17.31 | JordiGH | sagotis: May the geek be with you. |
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| 18:17.36 | gravity | JordiGH: Excel is good for very basic analysis. |
| 18:17.37 | JordiGH | sagotis: That is to say, "yes". |
| 18:17.44 | JordiGH | gravity: Octave is better. |
| 18:17.44 | sagotis | JordiGH: hehe ok |
| 18:17.45 | |HellTiger| | aptitude gnome-osd install error http://helltiger.ath.cx/gnome-osd.txt |
| 18:17.46 | gravity | Although gnumeric is a better excel, imho |
| 18:17.52 | gravity | JordiGH: I've never used octave, but I like R |
| 18:18.03 | gravity | I've been meaning to look at octave |
| 18:18.09 | JordiGH | gravity: R is teh best. |
| 18:18.12 | gravity | word |
| 18:18.22 | purplepenguins | R? |
| 18:18.27 | JosefAssad | R != spreadsheet. Apples, oranges |
| 18:18.29 | jelly-home | Arrr |
| 18:18.41 | JordiGH | Octave's 2.9.10 and above is pretty cool, but it's currently floating up there in unstable away from my reach. |
| 18:18.43 | gravity | JosefAssad: Exactly. I still lean on gnumeric to lay out my data before working on it in R |
| 18:18.45 | purplepenguins | I've never heard of R |
| 18:18.50 | gravity | !R |
| 18:18.50 | dpkg | somebody said r was a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. And it's "are", not "r" |
| 18:18.57 | purplepenguins | Hmm |
| 18:19.06 | bonez41 | where can I find help on setting up email on my home network..? my son's box runs xp...and I run exim4 and such on my linux box.....want to host his email here.. |
| 18:19.08 | purplepenguins | so it is comparable to Octave? |
| 18:19.09 | |HellTiger| | syntax error on aptitude install aptitude gnome-osd install error http://helltiger.ath.cx/gnome-osd.txt |
| 18:19.25 | gravity | purplepenguins: aiui, octave is more for pure mathematical analysis, where R is geared towards stats |
| 18:19.32 | JordiGH | purplepenguins: Better in some way. It's a defacto standard in the stats community in a way that Octave isn't a defacto standard in the numeric community. :-/ |
| 18:19.34 | sagotis | JordiGH: ok ill reboot then thanks and also thanks to wols |
| 18:19.46 | JordiGH | sagotis: Godspeed. |
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| 18:20.10 | purplepenguins | I probably would end up using Octave as a Matlab replacement, I suppose R can't do that? |
| 18:20.22 | jelly-home | hm, s/(stats community)/free \1/ ? |
| 18:20.37 | JordiGH | Octave is *great* as a Matlab replacement as long as you don't have to interface with Matlab users too much. |
| 18:20.44 | JordiGH | Which is to say, hardly ever. :-/ |
| 18:20.57 | purplepenguins | I hope not |
| 18:20.58 | gravity | I didn't know that, that's unfortunate |
| 18:21.05 | gravity | I don't know any matlab users though, so it's ok |
| 18:21.06 | purplepenguins | I have to take a class based in Matlab though |
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| 18:21.35 | JordiGH | purplepenguins: For a class Octave will be good. But attempt to use at least version 2.9.10 which added all of the nifty graphic handle things. |
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| 18:22.01 | purplepenguins | Hmm, can you get Octave to use Scigraphica? |
| 18:22.01 | JosefAssad | gravity: if you don't know matlab users now, you might in the future. Good thing to keep in mind when you choose software. |
| 18:22.09 | purplepenguins | or whatever it's called |
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| 18:22.22 | JordiGH | purplepenguins: Also, note http://www.nabble.com/differences-matlab-vs-octave-t3714808.html |
| 18:22.41 | purplepenguins | I know that there are differences |
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| 18:22.43 | JordiGH | gravity: *Everyone* uses Matlab. |
| 18:22.57 | JosefAssad | JordiGH: I don't. |
| 18:22.58 | JordiGH | Except us freedom fighters here in Zion. |
| 18:23.12 | gravity | Well, I'm in biology, so there's little math here |
| 18:23.15 | JosefAssad | *ugh* count me out of Matrix allusions |
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| 18:23.18 | JordiGH | JosefAssad: You must not work in numerical analysis that much. Or be here in Zion with me. ;-) |
| 18:23.19 | purplepenguins | Matlab is the defacto standard for numerical analysis |
| 18:23.25 | [Jasper] | hello people |
| 18:23.25 | purplepenguins | besides Statistics, I suppose |
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| 18:23.28 | gravity | What little math there is is stats, so it's all excel, unless you're hardcore |
| 18:23.30 | wols | bonez41: you need an imap server (I suggest courier) and probably fetchmail |
| 18:23.30 | sagotis | JordiGH, wols: it woked wow thank u both very much! |
| 18:23.35 | [Jasper] | how are all you all tonight, have a question |
| 18:23.38 | JordiGH | sagotis: w00t |
| 18:23.38 | gravity | When I whip out R, it scares the crap out of my lab-mates |
| 18:23.41 | purplepenguins | Excel is so weak |
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| 18:23.45 | [Jasper] | how can I see which packages are currently installed |
| 18:23.52 | JosefAssad | JordiGH: 350 million dollar turnover run on spreadsheets not numerical calculation enough for you? :) |
| 18:23.54 | JordiGH | [Jasper]: dpkg -L |
| 18:23.56 | purplepenguins | It's a spreadsheet app, it's not any good for data manipulation |
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| 18:24.15 | JordiGH | JosefAssad: If there are no partial differential equations involved, it's not numerical analysis. ;-) |
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| 18:24.17 | sagotis | JordiGH, wols: now the question is can i change fonts on tty displays? |
| 18:24.27 | JordiGH | sagotis: Tough customer you are... |
| 18:24.36 | sagotis | JordiGH, wols: hehe :) |
| 18:24.47 | JosefAssad | JordiGH: Didn't need any of those to break all-time profitability and volume records, thank you very much. Choose your tools wisely. |
| 18:24.54 | JordiGH | sagotis: I'm sure there's a way, but I don't know how. |
| 18:25.28 | JosefAssad | JordiGH: but you're right, we're in different fields. |
| 18:25.29 | JordiGH | JosefAssad: Black Scholes is about the only PDE I know of in finance, although I'm sure there are others. |
| 18:25.34 | sagotis | JordiGH: that's ok im impressed at this as it is really :) |
| 18:25.45 | gpm | !info consolse-setup |
| 18:25.49 | purplepenguins | Finance doesn't really need heavy-duty maths |
| 18:25.51 | gpm | ugh |
| 18:25.55 | gpm | !info console-setup |
| 18:25.57 | dpkg | console-setup: (Setup the font and the keyboard on the console), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.16 (sid), Packaged size: 431 kB, Installed size: 1168 kB |
| 18:26.04 | JosefAssad | JordiGH: Oh, this was in manufacturing to boot, not in finance |
| 18:26.07 | bonez41 | wols, ok, an IMAP server..... |
| 18:26.18 | JosefAssad | JordiGH: pareto analysis can get you very far. |
| 18:26.24 | gpm | uw-imapd, dovecot, courier, cyrus |
| 18:26.28 | sagotis | LOl gpm the square mouse curser :( |
| 18:26.28 | gpm | lots of choices |
| 18:26.42 | gpm | sagotis: huh? |
| 18:26.46 | wols | bonez41: use courier, possibly dovecot.the rest is not for you |
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| 18:27.23 | gpm | hehe |
| 18:27.25 | sagotis | gpm: gpm reminds of the tty mouse package i jsut installed |
| 18:27.33 | gpm | sagotis: what, gpm? |
| 18:27.55 | sagotis | gpm: yeah |
| 18:27.57 | purplepenguins | I don't understand the need for a TTY mouse |
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| 18:28.03 | gpm | yeah, every so often someone comes in here and says "how can i get my mouse in to work in the console" and then my irc window flashes |
| 18:28.11 | gpm | when they get their question answered |
| 18:28.12 | purplepenguins | mice should be kept away from consoles |
| 18:28.20 | sagotis | gpm: LOL |
| 18:28.21 | tarzeau | heh |
| 18:28.24 | abrotman | especially the insides! |
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| 18:28.39 | tarzeau | for copy paste, there's gnu screen |
| 18:28.51 | purplepenguins | screen is <3 |
| 18:28.53 | gpm | tarzeau: with kbd only? i didn't know that trick |
| 18:28.53 | sagotis | purplepenguins: yeah im not sure why i installed it /scratchs his head |
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| 18:28.57 | gpm | i love teh screen too |
| 18:29.00 | abrotman | tarzeau: that's overcomplication for some |
| 18:29.04 | tarzeau | gpm: yes, c-a [ and ] |
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| 18:29.10 | asg | abrotman: mice inside <--- your new slogan? |
| 18:29.11 | gpm | v nice |
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| 18:29.21 | nilzy | howdy |
| 18:29.24 | minerale | if the same host is on both /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny , which one would take over ? |
| 18:29.25 | abrotman | asg: where's timgoh0 when you need a sick URL |
| 18:29.26 | purplepenguins | My mouse gets lonely sometimes |
| 18:29.37 | asg | abrotman: his urls are anemic at best |
| 18:29.38 | purplepenguins | when I get into screen and can live without it |
| 18:29.53 | asg | minerale: the man page tells you |
| 18:30.05 | minerale | ask man hosts ? |
| 18:30.12 | gpm | read the man page |
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| 18:30.34 | gpm | that should be the one |
| 18:30.43 | minerale | gpm: it does not even contain the word deny |
| 18:30.49 | asg | minerale: man hosts_access |
| 18:31.09 | minerale | asg: what did you use to find that man page? just memory? |
| 18:31.13 | asg | minerale: the manpage for hosts is a completely different thing |
| 18:31.21 | asg | minerale: apropos deny |
| 18:31.33 | gpm | i just discovered apropos |
| 18:31.58 | tarzeau | any of you play battlefield2, war rock or counter strike:source ? |
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| 18:32.10 | gpm | tarzeau: i played cs:s for a while |
| 18:32.13 | gpm | on debian |
| 18:32.17 | tarzeau | gpm: wine? |
| 18:32.21 | asg | tarzeau: the only one I have played is bf1942, but that was a long time ago |
| 18:32.26 | gpm | tarzeau: i think i actually got a pirated cedega |
| 18:32.30 | tarzeau | gpm: what was your mouse xset m n/n settings? |
| 18:32.51 | sagotis | what is the best tty web browers (right now im using links)? |
| 18:32.57 | gpm | tarzeau: i don't think i ever fiddled with them |
| 18:33.09 | gpm | tarzeau: it "just worked" for me |
| 18:33.11 | asg | !best |
| 18:33.11 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 18:33.11 | gpm | :-/ |
| 18:33.17 | gpm | haven't played in a while |
| 18:33.29 | tarzeau | gpm: i just hate to reboot into windows for playing a game or two |
| 18:33.33 | gpm | tarzeau: werd |
| 18:33.51 | gpm | you could try and fetch cedega though i don't see any reason wine wouldn't work |
| 18:33.52 | tarzeau | gpm: there's games that don't work in wine, like www.mtp-target.org or funguloids.sf.net |
| 18:34.12 | gpm | i kinda just stopped gaming..for better or for worse |
| 18:34.13 | tarzeau | gpm: oh i run cs 1.6 on wine fine, just haven't tried css yet, i'd need to buy one first |
| 18:34.24 | gpm | i still play tux racer sometimes though |
| 18:34.28 | tarzeau | gpm: but then i'd be too lazy for reboots. and it wouldn't run as good in wine as it does in windows natively |
| 18:34.28 | purplepenguins | heh |
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| 18:34.34 | tarzeau | gpm: tried slune? |
| 18:34.39 | purplepenguins | I play games still |
| 18:34.42 | gpm | tarzeau: no, what is it? |
| 18:34.51 | tarzeau | gpm: like tuxracer but w/ nicer graphics |
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| 18:35.07 | purplepenguins | UT2004, Enemy Territory, Supertux, Battle of Wesnoth, Tuxracer, Frozen Bubble, and of course Nethack |
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| 18:35.38 | gpm | tarzeau: and a cooler story, i'm looking at their website |
| 18:35.56 | purplepenguins | and of course, emulators ZSNES, Tuxnes |
| 18:36.01 | tarzeau | gpm: no network play? :( |
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| 18:36.10 | gpm | tarzeau: for slune? |
| 18:36.16 | sagotis | blah games - with so many things to learn who has time for games - though ill admit that tremoulus is cool |
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| 18:36.38 | tarzeau | gpm: yep |
| 18:36.56 | tarzeau | sagotis: i hate tremoulus. tried sauerbraten.org yet? |
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| 18:37.00 | purplepenguins | tremulous? never heard that one |
| 18:37.03 | gpm | tarzeau: have you tried armagetron? they have network play but i've yet to have it go at a rate reasonable for some fun |
| 18:37.09 | purplepenguins | Sauerbraten runs slow on my computer |
| 18:37.09 | gpm | except one time, in a computer lab |
| 18:37.18 | purplepenguins | and no one uses it that I know, so... |
| 18:37.18 | sagotis | tarzeau: is that cube? |
| 18:37.20 | gpm | but over the 'net, forget it |
| 18:37.26 | tarzeau | sagotis: yes |
| 18:37.38 | purplepenguins | UT2004 is the de facto LAN party FPS 'round here |
| 18:37.44 | sagotis | tarzeau: yes but i didn't really like it |
| 18:37.54 | tarzeau | gpm: nah, but bub-n-bros.sf.net and mtp-target.org are veeeery cool with 10-16 players |
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| 18:38.03 | gpm | tarzeau: cool |
| 18:38.18 | tarzeau | gpm: if you want, we can play some rounds of bub-n-bros.sf.net now |
| 18:38.29 | gpm | heh |
| 18:38.32 | tarzeau | download, and run BROWSER=icedove ./BubBros.py |
| 18:38.35 | gpm | i'm actually about to go get some lunch |
| 18:38.38 | tarzeau | then join server at gnu.ethz.ch |
| 18:38.51 | tarzeau | ./BubBob.py even |
| 18:38.51 | sagotis | purplepenguins: yeah UT is cool had the install disks, but was missing liek disk 5 and couldnt install in my linux system at the and thus trashed the disks |
| 18:39.18 | gpm | no, i gotta head out. thanks though |
| 18:39.19 | purplepenguins | What is the name of that one side-scrolling multiplayer shooting game... |
| 18:39.51 | sagotis | purplepenguins: there is a 2d version of counterstike? |
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| 18:40.25 | anonymou | PingFloyd: Build Error 2 |
| 18:40.31 | purplepenguins | no, it's not CS |
| 18:40.36 | anonymou | PingFloyd: (won't complile) |
| 18:40.45 | purplepenguins | I was recommended to try it but I forgot the name |
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| 18:41.27 | purplepenguins | Ooh, and Armagetron Advanced is a good game... |
| 18:41.44 | anonymou | is debian-jobs an IRC channel or website? and where is its address |
| 18:41.58 | asg | anonymou: likely a mailing list |
| 18:42.17 | asg | anonymou: http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/subscribe |
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| 18:42.35 | sagotis | purplepenguins: personally of all 2d games i like pingus the most |
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| 18:44.54 | Dreamlinux | hi budys.. |
| 18:45.14 | Dreamlinux | i need help.. jeje |
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| 18:45.28 | Dreamlinux | with my TV Card :) |
| 18:45.33 | asg | Dreamlinux: emacs comes with its own therapist |
| 18:45.48 | Dreamlinux | :) |
| 18:45.56 | Dreamlinux | the modelo is: dreamlinux@dreamdebian:~$ lspci | grep SAA |
| 18:45.56 | Dreamlinux | 00:08.0 Multimedia controller: Philips Semiconductors SAA7133/SAA7135 Video Broadcast Decoder (rev 10) |
| 18:46.10 | Dreamlinux | i use the driver saa7134 !! |
| 18:46.25 | n3kl | What is a good vnc server? |
| 18:46.30 | Dreamlinux | the problem is with the audio |
| 18:46.38 | purplepenguins | debian's default color configuration for nethack sucks |
| 18:46.53 | asg | purplepenguins: then submit a patch as a wishlist bug |
| 18:46.55 | purplepenguins | tightvnc, x11vnc are two good ones that do different things |
| 18:47.03 | ma3x | fglrx-driver: Depends: xserver-xorg (>= 1:7.1.0) but it is not going to be installed |
| 18:47.06 | ma3x | I've edited /var/lib/dpkg/status and I removed the dependency |
| 18:47.12 | ma3x | why does it still require it? |
| 18:47.29 | asg | ma3x: because you persist in trying to break your system. |
| 18:47.41 | Dreamlinux | any experience with that TV Card?? |
| 18:47.45 | Dreamlinux | thanx!! :) |
| 18:47.59 | ma3x | asg I've already broken it anyway |
| 18:48.04 | ma3x | now tell me |
| 18:48.17 | asg | ma3x: no, you get to fix it yourself. |
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| 18:48.29 | ma3x | asg come on |
| 18:48.31 | ma3x | just this one :) |
| 18:48.39 | asg | ma3x: nope, sorry. |
| 18:48.49 | n3kl | purplepenguins: thanks |
| 18:48.50 | ma3x | really, I've edited the section of fglrx-driver and I've removed all dependencies |
| 18:48.57 | ma3x | how does it know still to require xserver-xorg? |
| 18:49.04 | ma3x | how's that possible? |
| 18:49.19 | ma3x | asg i'm trying to learn the functions of /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 18:49.26 | azeem | ma3x: eh |
| 18:49.26 | ma3x | why not experiment a little bit? |
| 18:49.34 | azeem | ma3x: don't mess with /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 18:49.39 | aldin | what e-mail server is easiest to set up on debian |
| 18:49.41 | asg | ma3x: then stop trying to learn things with non-free crap. Read the debian reference. |
| 18:49.48 | ma3x | azeem i've removed the dependencies of a certain package but it still requires them |
| 18:49.51 | ma3x | how come? |
| 18:49.54 | azeem | ma3x: don't mess with /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 18:49.59 | Dreamlinux | anyone?? |
| 18:49.59 | azeem | got that? |
| 18:50.09 | ma3x | asg what do you mean with non-free? xserver-xorg is not nonfree |
| 18:50.36 | ma3x | azeem I'm in urgent situation, can't lift up X anymore |
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| 18:50.42 | asg | ma3x: because fglrx-driver is nonfree |
| 18:50.58 | ma3x | azeem I need definitely to install the fglrx-driver to get it to work |
| 18:51.05 | azeem | ma3x: as if I cared |
| 18:51.06 | Dreamlinux | :( |
| 18:51.06 | ma3x | then I'm gonna do restore from my backup |
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| 18:51.14 | ma3x | thus from console, it's difficult |
| 18:51.20 | glasserc | ma3x: Why do you need fglrx to run X? |
| 18:51.22 | ma3x | azeem well at least help |
| 18:51.31 | azeem | ma3x: my help is "don't mess with /var/lib/dpkg/status" |
| 18:51.35 | ma3x | glasserc well it won't with ati, it runs with flgrx |
| 18:51.42 | azeem | ma3x: try vesa |
| 18:51.48 | ma3x | aw come on with vesa? |
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| 18:51.53 | ma3x | i'll get blind in 2 minutes |
| 18:51.59 | glasserc | Beggars can't be choosers.. |
| 18:52.08 | ofirg_ | I am trying to figure out my dns server performance I do dig @myserverIP cnn.com |
| 18:52.08 | ofirg_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:52.10 | glasserc | If you just need to restore from backups, it's a pretty good contingency. |
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| 18:52.31 | PingFloyd | if you need X up to restore from backup, you've already lost |
| 18:53.03 | wols | PingFloyd: X server |
| 18:53.09 | wols | erm, Live CD with X |
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| 18:53.29 | ma3x | wols the thing is, I can't reboot right now, I've got encoding process going on .... |
| 18:53.37 | JeffH | what's the program to turn a text file into a hash database? |
| 18:53.54 | tarzeau | JeffH: hash database? |
| 18:54.02 | wols | JeffH: postmap does it for example |
| 18:54.02 | glasserc | ma3x: Anyhow, why not install xserver-xorg and let the dependencies do their job? |
| 18:54.03 | JeffH | yes |
| 18:54.04 | bwlang | since i installed denyhosts.. i'm noticing all the systems that try to break in... is there some service like spamcop that can be used to notify the network administrators of these infected machines? |
| 18:54.18 | JeffH | thanks wols |
| 18:54.26 | wols | JeffH: that's for postfix |
| 18:54.31 | xand | bwlang: play whack-a-mole instead |
| 18:54.41 | ma3x | glasserc xserver-xorg is already the newest version. |
| 18:54.50 | bwlang | xand: but this way i don't have to pay the carnies ;) |
| 18:54.51 | ma3x | at the same time fglrx-driver: Depends: xserver-xorg (>= 1:7.1.0) but it is not going to be installed |
| 18:55.11 | ma3x | ii xserver-xorg 1:7.2-3 the X. |
| 18:55.16 | ma3x | that's my version of it |
| 18:55.25 | wols | ma3x: that's not our problem |
| 18:55.25 | bwlang | xand: if everybody took the time to whack just a few maybe things would be better... |
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| 18:55.41 | glasserc | ma3x: How did you manage that? |
| 18:55.42 | wols | the problem lies wit you since you want to run sid and with ati since they are too dumb to code a driver |
| 18:55.43 | ma3x | wols at least explain me what exactly bugs it |
| 18:55.46 | ma3x | glasserc manage what? |
| 18:55.50 | ofirg_ | if I do without the @myDnsIP I get responce fast |
| 18:56.11 | ma3x | wols the problem lies within the stupid vlc |
| 18:56.11 | wols | ma3x: we cannot tell. we don't have source for ati's driver |
| 18:56.12 | ma3x | they made their player so bad, that it made me try out their new version |
| 18:56.17 | JeffH | wols: it just so happens that's what I'm working on. |
| 18:56.19 | wols | it's not vlc's fault that ati are a bunch of morons |
| 18:56.25 | ma3x | so because of dependencies I did dist-upgrade to sid |
| 18:56.33 | ma3x | wols it's vlc |
| 18:56.36 | ma3x | mplayer works wonderful |
| 18:56.46 | ma3x | vlc stretches my screen 5 times bigger |
| 18:56.48 | smacnay | Does icedove handle mbox or only Maildir? |
| 18:56.49 | purplepenguins | mplayer is the best movie player |
| 18:56.54 | ma3x | that's right |
| 18:56.58 | tarzeau | smacnay: it's just a browser |
| 18:57.00 | purplepenguins | bar none |
| 18:57.01 | ma3x | I made a mistake with that vlc |
| 18:57.06 | tarzeau | smacnay: oh wait not icewaesel |
| 18:57.06 | wols | smacnay: it uses a mbox format |
| 18:57.13 | ma3x | 4 days installing all versions, none of them got the right AR and resolution |
| 18:57.16 | ma3x | such a stinky program |
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| 18:57.34 | wols | ma3x: stop blaming others for your mistakes. and now shut up please |
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| 18:57.45 | azeem | ma3x: unstable is not supported here |
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| 18:58.13 | smacnay | wols: I am trying to get it to see ~/Mail/mbox as my local folder but it is not working. Let me play with some other settings and see... |
| 18:58.33 | ma3x | ah fine what ever |
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| 18:58.40 | gsnedders | how can you get a list of installed kernel modules? |
| 18:58.44 | wols | smacnay: there is a file "Inbox" under .icedove or wherevre. do you see it? |
| 18:59.43 | tarzeau | gsnedders: find /lib/modules/`uname -r` |
| 18:59.43 | ma3x | ]/detach |
| 18:59.43 | wols | gsnedders: find /lib/modules/kerneöversion Ü |
| 18:59.43 | tarzeau | gsnedders: lsmod for loaded modules |
| 18:59.43 | wols | gsnedders: find /lib/modules/kerneöversion * |
| 18:59.43 | bwlang | i guess i'll just have to use whois... sigh |
| 18:59.43 | smacnay | wols: I have an mbox file already (for my received mail)... I would like icedove to see that. |
| 18:59.43 | gsnedders | thanks… both of you :) |
| 18:59.44 | kazol | How do I configure software RAID-1 for the netinstall CD? |
| 18:59.44 | wols | smacnay: I asked you a question |
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| 19:00.07 | smacnay | wols: yes, I see it - sorry, I did not read a question even though you used a '?' :) |
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| 19:00.17 | wols | you link that inbox file to your mbox (after you made a backup of the file) |
| 19:00.27 | wols | that's at least how I'd tried it |
| 19:01.08 | wols | and I'm sure there are ways to import mbox to thunderbird. what you should io is run a small imap server locally and connect to that |
| 19:01.12 | wols | dovecot does mbox |
| 19:01.14 | ma3x | hey can I cp -a /etc /sys /usr ....... from backup with live cd? |
| 19:01.27 | kazol | I don't get it, should I configure software RAID-1 before or after installation? |
| 19:01.27 | wols | ma3x: yes |
| 19:01.31 | ma3x | fine |
| 19:01.32 | en1gma | with debian if i do 'make && make install && make modules install" what is left to seal the deal? just a 'grub update'? |
| 19:01.35 | ma3x | hope will restore |
| 19:01.41 | ma3x | sid is crap |
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| 19:01.52 | wols | kazol: can work both. raid for /boot is very tricky however |
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| 19:01.54 | en1gma | sid works fine for me |
| 19:01.56 | nvz | en1gma: do what? |
| 19:02.02 | wols | for / it isn't a picnic either sometimes |
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| 19:02.20 | en1gma | nvz if i do 'make && make install && make modules install" what is left to seal the deal? just a 'grub update'? |
| 19:02.24 | tarzeau | sid is perfect |
| 19:02.26 | cahoot | en1gma: why not use the tool debian provides? |
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| 19:02.34 | nvz | en1gma: apparently you never heard of kernel-package, and you should slap yourself, preferably in the face for your ignorance |
| 19:02.34 | tarzeau | ma3x: it's just some users can't use it |
| 19:02.36 | wols | empath: no. you do a make-kpkg kernel_image and NOTHING else |
| 19:02.37 | ofirg_ | how am I supposed to dig a specific nameserver? |
| 19:02.46 | wols | en1gma: no. you do a make-kpkg kernel_image and NOTHING else |
| 19:02.49 | asg | ofirg_: dig @nameserver |
| 19:02.53 | [Jasper] | hej guys |
| 19:02.58 | nvz | wols: no, you obviously have to do something else.. like install the package |
| 19:02.59 | ma3x | tarzeau, but anyway it has dependency problems every few days |
| 19:02.59 | kazol | wols: I have the netinstall CD. Will I be able to configure software RAID-1 in that? |
| 19:03.07 | cahoot | wols: possibly a dpkg -i too |
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| 19:03.08 | tarzeau | ma3x: not all of it , just some packages |
| 19:03.10 | en1gma | aparently i ahve and i dont like it. NOW THAT I ASKED MY QUESTION please do not try and push your way off on me |
| 19:03.11 | [Jasper] | is there a visual interface too see the dpkg -l list and select which one you want removed and purged? |
| 19:03.14 | ma3x | tarzeau, plus bugs and some of them are not included in report-bugs |
| 19:03.20 | tarzeau | ma3x: so? |
| 19:03.38 | wols | kazol: afaik yes but I never did raid. |
| 19:03.38 | PingFloyd | you really need to understand a great deal of the apt and dpkg related tools if you're going to use sid |
| 19:03.38 | wols | !tell kazol about ig |
| 19:03.39 | wols | it will tell you |
| 19:03.39 | ma3x | tarzeau, so it quits working from time to time |
| 19:03.39 | tarzeau | ma3x: there are also bugs in stable and testing that are not in BTS |
| 19:03.39 | ma3x | it makes you worry |
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| 19:03.42 | tarzeau | ma3x: not so for me |
| 19:03.45 | azeem | ma3x: right, you shouldn't use unstable |
| 19:03.48 | wols | [Jasper]: aptitude, synaptic |
| 19:03.49 | tarzeau | ma3x: it really depends on the packages that one has |
| 19:03.51 | ma3x | tarzeau, for example my ati card works excellent with fglrx but bad with 'ati' driver. |
| 19:03.53 | asg | ma3x: it's for testing new features, not for day to day use. |
| 19:03.55 | PingFloyd | it's not uncommon to run acrossed broken packages and packages depending on other packages that aren't up on the archive yet |
| 19:03.56 | tarzeau | ma3x: you just use problematic software packages |
| 19:04.00 | ma3x | so fglrx-driver is broken in sid |
| 19:04.04 | asg | ma3x: that's why Debian provides *stable* |
| 19:04.10 | tarzeau | ma3x: i'm glad i don't have ati cards |
| 19:04.11 | cahoot | tarzeau: don't blame the sw |
| 19:04.12 | ofirg_ | asg - I did 'dig @IP websitedomain' and it times out |
| 19:04.15 | gsnedders | ma3x: that's why it's called unstable. |
| 19:04.17 | ma3x | tarzeau, haha, hell yeah |
| 19:04.23 | tarzeau | ma3x: fglrx-driver? that must be outside main |
| 19:04.28 | ofirg_ | asg, where IP is the nameserver IP |
| 19:04.30 | en1gma | nvz if you are just trolling please do not respong |
| 19:04.32 | ma3x | yeah sure, but that's my hardware |
| 19:04.36 | en1gma | i asked my Q not yours |
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| 19:04.39 | wols | tarzeau: considering it's a propr. ati driver... |
| 19:04.41 | ma3x | and fglrx is the thing that provides best performance |
| 19:04.45 | asg | ofirg_: then either the nameserver is misconfigured, isn't listening, or is blocked. |
| 19:04.50 | tarzeau | cahoot: but sometimes it's really the software, other times it's the packagers, and sometimes the users |
| 19:04.54 | ma3x | what's the thing with non-free? |
| 19:04.58 | Dreamlinux | somebody can help my please? |
| 19:04.58 | wols | en1gma: I asnwered your question and I'm thinking doing the same as nvz |
| 19:04.58 | ma3x | can't you use it or what? |
| 19:04.58 | en1gma | and by the way...my way = straight from the kernel.org sources readme |
| 19:05.00 | asg | ma3x: windows |
| 19:05.11 | ma3x | asg, what about windows? |
| 19:05.16 | tarzeau | ma3x: i repeat this the 1000th time, ati and nvidia non-free drivers in debian is crap |
| 19:05.18 | ofirg_ | asg, and I have the same IP in /etc/resolv.conf, and without the @IP it resloves fast |
| 19:05.22 | xand | en1gma: ask ##linux then |
| 19:05.23 | asg | ma3x: the thing with non-free |
| 19:05.26 | wols | !tell ma3x about non-free |
| 19:05.28 | tarzeau | ma3x: do it yourself, or use the non accelerated drivers. period. |
| 19:05.29 | nvz | en1gma: I am not trolling kernel-package does everything from patching, configuring, revisioning, compiling (with fakeroot if desired), packaging (thus integrating with debian's package system) and setting up your bootloader all in a single command line |
| 19:05.30 | en1gma | so if i dont do it the-debian-way and i do do it the way its said in the kernel sources readme i dont get help? |
| 19:05.31 | xand | en1gma: or use a debian kernel |
| 19:05.38 | smacnay | Will pidgin be appearing in Debian? |
| 19:05.39 | ma3x | tarzeau, fglrx = excellent driver |
| 19:05.41 | azeem | en1gma: correct |
| 19:05.43 | tarzeau | ma3x: bullshit |
| 19:05.50 | solemnwarning | How is email from services like cron and mdadm sent in a default debian install? |
| 19:05.52 | en1gma | www.kernel.org is what i have always used and always will |
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| 19:05.54 | wols | en1gma: not in debian. there is a reasn it's called the debian way and this is #debian |
| 19:05.56 | ma3x | tarzeau, ati driver that's included in main sucks |
| 19:05.56 | tarzeau | ma3x: i've had several cards for test, and their drivers froze the machines |
| 19:05.56 | purplepenguins | Debian doesn't include the closed-source drivers because they are closed source |
| 19:05.57 | asg | ofirg_: are you digging from the same machine or another? |
| 19:06.00 | xand | solemnwarning: using exim(4) |
| 19:06.01 | en1gma | im not used to grub i have used lilo |
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| 19:06.02 | ma3x | tarzeau, bad 3d, and buggy |
| 19:06.08 | tarzeau | ma3x: whatever, i'm glad i don't have ati hardware |
| 19:06.09 | cydork | tarzeau: now now don't encourage him :) |
| 19:06.11 | nvz | en1gma: you are ignorant like I said.. you have no idea what kernel-package is apparently or how to use it |
| 19:06.16 | wols | en1gma: kernel.org docs are written for ALL linux distros. which don't have kernel-package. so of course it can't be mentioned for them |
| 19:06.18 | ma3x | tarzeau, that's right 'ati' driver can freeze it. fglrx is great |
| 19:06.23 | solemnwarning | No manual entry for exim |
| 19:06.25 | en1gma | nvz dont call me names |
| 19:06.25 | tarzeau | cydork: i wish i could replace the ati card in my ibook with an nvidia one |
| 19:06.28 | ofirg_ | asg, the IP is my isp nameserver |
| 19:06.29 | asg | solemnwarning: man exim4 |
| 19:06.31 | en1gma | as that is just trolling |
| 19:06.33 | daeos | abrotman: hey man, im back and have access to the box with the video issue, it does has an s3, let me get full lspci info |
| 19:06.34 | ofirg_ | asg, if that is what you ask |
| 19:06.35 | wols | en1gma: but we told you several times, to use kernel-package. if you don't listen, why should we advise you in the future? |
| 19:06.39 | tarzeau | ma3x: i meant the fglrx driver from ati, that's freezing the kernel |
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| 19:06.41 | en1gma | and i fucking told you |
| 19:06.44 | asg | ofirg_: then it's probably trying to do a reverse lookup on your IP and timing out. |
| 19:06.45 | en1gma | i dont want to do it that way |
| 19:06.47 | solemnwarning | No manual entry for exim4 |
| 19:06.49 | tarzeau | ma3x: besides having fucking display problems |
| 19:06.51 | daeos | abrotman: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. 86C270-294 Savage/IX-MV (rev 11) |
| 19:06.51 | azeem | en1gma: then ask elsewhere |
| 19:06.52 | en1gma | i asked my Q |
| 19:06.56 | xand | solemnwarning: -4 |
| 19:06.56 | gsnedders | cpufreq isn't working (the freq is stuck on min). /etc/modules has all the module names correctly, /etc/default/cpufrequtils has ENABLE="true" and GOVENOR="ondemand". |
| 19:06.56 | wols | en1gma: the fuck off and don't as us |
| 19:06.56 | azeem | en1gma: we only support that way |
| 19:07.01 | en1gma | waht |
| 19:07.01 | nvz | en1gma: its not a name, its stating the obvious that you are ignorant to the existance and utility of kernel-package. |
| 19:07.02 | asg | solemnwarning: is exim installed? |
| 19:07.03 | azeem | wols: please stay cool |
| 19:07.05 | wols | *ask us |
| 19:07.06 | ma3x | tarzeau, it's not freezing mine |
| 19:07.07 | xand | solemnwarning: the package is called exim4 but the program just exim |
| 19:07.13 | en1gma | i have used the debian way and dont like it |
| 19:07.16 | solemnwarning | exim isn't installed |
| 19:07.19 | ma3x | tarzeau, anyway I don't understand why won't you use nonfree? |
| 19:07.19 | en1gma | so your going to kill me? |
| 19:07.24 | solemnwarning | I don't think etch includes an MTA by default |
| 19:07.25 | asg | solemnwarning: then there isn't going to be a manpage is there? |
| 19:07.31 | wols | en1gma: that is your decisions. but then kindly refrain us from asking about it in the future |
| 19:07.32 | cydork | en1gma: find your own way then. we can only support the debian way! |
| 19:07.33 | asg | solemnwarning: it includes exim4 by default |
| 19:07.39 | nvz | en1gma: no we're going to ignore you, because you ignore us |
| 19:07.41 | xand | en1gma: go and ask in ##linux or something then... how can we help with non-debian software? |
| 19:07.45 | solemnwarning | None of my etch installs have exim |
| 19:07.45 | purplepenguins | What is en1gma wanting anyway |
| 19:07.46 | wols | this channel is for doing it the debian way and we told it where to ask if you want to do it differently |
| 19:07.47 | tarzeau | ma3x: i do, sauerbraten (not sure if it's non-free or contrib) but really i don't use any fglrx/nvidia drviers from debian |
| 19:07.50 | nvz | this is what ignorance does, it ignores |
| 19:07.53 | xand | solemnwarning: it does... exim4 |
| 19:08.00 | en1gma | just to build a damn kernel the non-debian-way |
| 19:08.00 | solemnwarning | Well it's not there |
| 19:08.04 | asg | solemnwarning: they do, or they are non-standard etch installs |
| 19:08.10 | purplepenguins | it's not hard, you can find it other places |
| 19:08.12 | solemnwarning | Netinstall |
| 19:08.15 | en1gma | basically a grub Q |
| 19:08.17 | purplepenguins | this isn't a general linux support channel |
| 19:08.22 | wols | solemnwarning: exim4 is always installed by default. always. I know it cause I always have to remove it when I install postfix :) |
| 19:08.25 | asg | solemnwarning: what does 'ls -l /usr/share/doc/exim*' return? |
| 19:08.26 | en1gma | ok this has to do with grub |
| 19:08.29 | en1gma | GRUB! |
| 19:08.31 | ofirg_ | asg, you mean that dig is trying to reverse lookup my ISP nameserver?! |
| 19:08.35 | wols | en1gma: we still don't answer |
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| 19:08.41 | ma3x | asg, so why are you against nonfree? |
| 19:08.42 | azeem | en1gma: you're breaking setting up Grub the Debian way |
| 19:08.45 | solemnwarning | Nothing, exim isn't there! |
| 19:08.45 | ma3x | see? tarzeau uses it :) |
| 19:08.49 | azeem | en1gma: so just do it manually |
| 19:08.53 | azeem | en1gma: ask elsewhere for how to do it |
| 19:08.54 | solemnwarning | There are no exim programs or config files |
| 19:08.56 | xand | solemnwarning: well, it is by default :P |
| 19:08.58 | en1gma | omg |
| 19:09.02 | en1gma | thats fucked up |
| 19:09.06 | nvz | en1gma: the debian way integrates with the packaging system.. if you do it all the right way, you wont have to reconfigure grub, and 3rd party drivers, and everything each time.. it does it automatically |
| 19:09.08 | petemc | solemnwarning: the binary is called exim4 |
| 19:09.11 | asg | ofirg_: no, your ISP's nameserver is likely trying to look you up but is possibly timing out since the reverse record for your ip doesn't exist. |
| 19:09.12 | solemnwarning | Should I install an MTA? |
| 19:09.13 | tarzeau | ma3x: no my sources.list doesn't have it, telnet linuks.mine.nu |
| 19:09.14 | wols | en1gma: if it's any consoltation, you are too :) |
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| 19:09.19 | wols | solemnwarning: yes |
| 19:09.21 | dexomsrc | smacnay: Yes, Pidgin is actually already in the unstable branch of Debian. see: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all&keywords=pidgin&sourceid=mozilla-search |
| 19:09.25 | tarzeau | ma3x: it's just i get some packages from different places to try out software |
| 19:09.26 | nvz | en1gma: your way the debian system can break your setup or you can break the debian setup |
| 19:09.33 | solemnwarning | find / | grep exim shows nothing, you belive me yet? |
| 19:09.35 | wols | solemnwarning: doesn't have to be exim, can be a simpler one, but you should have one |
| 19:09.35 | xand | solemnwarning: I don't think debian will let you have no MTA |
| 19:09.36 | nvz | thus why we arent going to support it |
| 19:09.37 | en1gma | im fucked up cause i like many other people like to do it the way its been done forever? |
| 19:09.42 | solemnwarning | Well it has |
| 19:09.44 | tarzeau | ma3x: i'm all for debian remove contrib and non-free from debian.org hosts |
| 19:09.49 | azeem | en1gma: no, you're just off-topic here |
| 19:09.51 | ma3x | tarzeau, but I mean you can use it and not pay for it, right? you may simply not redistribute it |
| 19:09.51 | purplepenguins | you want to do something unsupported that could break your system |
| 19:09.53 | ma3x | or what's the law? |
| 19:09.56 | en1gma | its in the damn readme from www.kernel.org |
| 19:10.01 | ofirg_ | asg, I don't think that is it |
| 19:10.02 | wols | xand: it will if you really insist |
| 19:10.06 | azeem | en1gma: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst for your new kernel, run update-grub |
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| 19:10.11 | tarzeau | ma3x: not sure what the licenses say. it depends for each individual package |
| 19:10.19 | en1gma | azeem ok thanks |
| 19:10.26 | xand | solemnwarning: does /usr/sbin/sendmail exist? |
| 19:10.31 | wols | azeem: why update-grub? |
| 19:10.35 | xand | it should be a symlink to your mta |
| 19:10.36 | azeem | why not? |
| 19:10.41 | asg | ofirg_: it might be worth consulting #dns also |
| 19:10.43 | en1gma | cause it wont add me kernel |
| 19:10.49 | azeem | hrm, maybe not |
| 19:10.51 | wols | azeem: what good does it do for him after he edited menu.lst? |
| 19:10.58 | ofirg_ | ask, ok |
| 19:11.00 | solemnwarning | Xenguy: nope |
| 19:11.02 | dexomsrc | en1gma: I compile no kernel the non-Debain way by compiling and installing from the vanilla source from kernel.org. However I don't ask for help in this channel with respect to that process and I advise you to do the same. |
| 19:11.03 | solemnwarning | * xand |
| 19:11.04 | wols | azeem: lilo is no more. go with the times! :) |
| 19:11.08 | azeem | wols: huh? |
| 19:11.11 | nvz | en1gma: kernel.org isnt aware of such a system that automates bootloader configs, kernel patches, 3rd party drivers..etc which is why they dont't know about kernel-package |
| 19:11.22 | azeem | en1gma: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst for your new kernel, run grub-install |
| 19:11.23 | wols | azeem: with lilo you had to run something after editing the config file. not so grub :) |
| 19:11.27 | en1gma | wait this has to do with linux and no other distro |
| 19:11.30 | azeem | wols: do you think I'm stupid? |
| 19:11.35 | en1gma | has nothing to do with any other distro |
| 19:11.37 | xand | solemnwarning: sounds like you broke something, but the default *is* exim4 |
| 19:11.38 | jelly-home | wols: if lilo is no more, how does grub cope with soft raid1? |
| 19:11.45 | azeem | wols: ok, sorry |
| 19:11.50 | wols | azeem: if grun is installed, there is no grub-äinstall or anything needed.simple menu.lst edit |
| 19:11.57 | solemnwarning | Installing postfix created sendmail |
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| 19:12.00 | en1gma | there is no distro called "linux" |
| 19:12.06 | wols | and I don't know what you are, don't know you enough for that |
| 19:12.06 | solemnwarning | And it didn't remove any MTA package |
| 19:12.14 | tarzeau | en1gma: we could make one |
| 19:12.18 | azeem | en1gma: anyway, edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and stop to harrass us |
| 19:12.20 | en1gma | lets do it :) |
| 19:12.24 | xand | en1gma: then why did you imply there was? |
| 19:12.25 | dexomsrc | en1gma: That's because Linux is just a kernel. |
| 19:12.27 | en1gma | azeem thanks |
| 19:12.28 | asg | solemnwarning: then your installation was incomplete; for whatever reason. |
| 19:12.37 | wols | en1gma: but there is a kernel called that. and you want to use the docs for that erkenl. and there is a channel for this kernel: ##linux |
| 19:12.51 | jelly-home | ##kernel, even |
| 19:12.51 | dexomsrc | en1gma: Also, the name 'Linux' is trademarked so I'd be careful. |
| 19:12.53 | xand | azeem: "stop to harass us" has the opposite meaning to what you probably meant :P |
| 19:12.55 | tarzeau | en1gma: can we agree it doesn't include gnome or kde? |
| 19:12.57 | en1gma | well shit how was i supposed to know linux isnt supported in here |
| 19:13.07 | tarzeau | dexomsrc: we'll call it LINUX |
| 19:13.10 | daeos | ok i guess i'll just ask everyone since abrotman isn't around... i do not remember what config file i edit to change what video driver is used by xorg |
| 19:13.11 | en1gma | omg "did i say that" |
| 19:13.18 | nvz | en1gma: we manage linux as everything else within the debian package guidelines. you compiling 3rd party source outside the packaging system is tainting the debian package policy in such a way it can break other packages and modifies files which belong to other packages. its off-topic here like azeem said.. we have reasons for why we do things this way.. if you cant tell me why its not good enough for you so we can correct your misunderstanding |
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| 19:13.24 | wols | daeos: none. |
| 19:13.28 | wols | !tell daeos about drxx |
| 19:13.29 | xand | !tell daeos about drxx |
| 19:13.31 | xand | bah! |
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| 19:13.41 | kazol | Should I configure software RAID-1 while installing the system? |
| 19:13.43 | en1gma | this is not 3rd party it is 1ST party debian = 2nd party |
| 19:13.52 | azeem | en1gma: wrong |
| 19:13.55 | asg | kazol: do you have a reason to do so? |
| 19:13.59 | kazol | Should I select RAID partitions? What about recovery? |
| 19:14.01 | en1gma | what came first? linux or debian |
| 19:14.02 | azeem | en1gma: discussing this is off-topic, so please stop |
| 19:14.03 | cydork | kazol: only if you want to! |
| 19:14.10 | kazol | asg: How else? |
| 19:14.12 | xand | en1gma: so why aren't you asking in ##;linux? |
| 19:14.15 | xand | -; |
| 19:14.17 | kazol | cydork: Would it work? |
| 19:14.18 | en1gma | ok im stopping |
| 19:14.23 | cydork | kazol: why not? |
| 19:14.23 | en1gma | ill goto ##linux i guess |
| 19:14.27 | daeos | wols: will this inturrupt anything that is currently running? im doing this via ssh on a friends laptop |
| 19:14.30 | wols | xand: same reason as always. they don't ansdwer :) |
| 19:14.39 | asg | kazol: if you need it, you install with it. If you don't, then don't. If you don't know, do some research (and read the install guide) |
| 19:14.40 | wols | daeos: no it won't. you need to be root tho |
| 19:14.48 | xand | wols: ah well |
| 19:15.16 | daeos | wols: figured that much, but thanks |
| 19:15.19 | kazol | cydork: So I should make 3 partitions on the 2 HDs, root, swap, and /boot? |
| 19:15.21 | nvz | what came first atom bombs or nuclear peace treaties? yeah.. and do we still use atom bombs on people after advent of nuclear peace treaties? |
| 19:15.37 | daeos | wols: im sure a reboot won't matter... except the damn ibm boot password |
| 19:15.50 | kazol | cydork: Then configure RAID, set mount points, and it will setup RAID automatically? |
| 19:16.05 | cydork | kazol: read the installation guide for the instructions. |
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| 19:16.43 | wols | daeos: no reboot necessary. just stop the diplsaymanager and exit X |
| 19:16.47 | kazol | cydork: It was confusing. I don't understand why it's necessary to configure RAID after installation. |
| 19:16.47 | nvz | what came first, the sled or the 18 wheel truck? do we still use sleds to move large cargo around |
| 19:16.50 | wols | then start the display manageer again |
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| 19:16.52 | solemnwarning | Can the aliases file contain email addresses as destinations? |
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| 19:16.59 | solemnwarning | With postfix |
| 19:17.19 | daeos | wols: oh ok |
| 19:17.22 | wols | solemnwarning: best ask #postfix that |
| 19:17.29 | solemnwarning | ok |
| 19:17.32 | asg | solemnwarning: it should; that's pretty standard for most implementations of alias |
| 19:17.34 | daeos | wols: so just kill gdm and xorg? |
| 19:17.37 | mstrobert | Where is a system-wide way to specify my http proxy so that users do not have to set http_proxy in their environment or configure Firefox? |
| 19:17.44 | daeos | wols: or xserver |
| 19:17.46 | nzk | How do I check the permissions of a certain folder? |
| 19:17.55 | wols | daeos: yes |
| 19:17.59 | asg | nzk: ls -ld /folder |
| 19:18.00 | wols | nzk: ls -al |
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| 19:18.46 | cydork | kazol: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s03.html.en#di-partition |
| 19:18.53 | CharminTheMoose | is it possible for me to encrypt a string with md5sum? |
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| 19:19.37 | asg | CharminTheMoose: you can hash one (echo foo | md5sum | cut -d' ' -f1) |
| 19:19.41 | mstrobert | CharminTheMoose: md5sum will only make a hash of a string. You can use gpg to encrypt. (possibly gpg --symmetric) |
| 19:19.48 | kazol | Is 470MB Ok for swap (with 256MB RAM) and 50MB Ok for /boot? |
| 19:19.58 | tarzeau | kazol: yes |
| 19:20.00 | cydork | kazol: yes |
| 19:20.03 | kazol | thx |
| 19:20.08 | tarzeau | kazol: if you want a lot of kernels 50mb for /boot might not be enough |
| 19:20.14 | tarzeau | kazol: but usually 50 mb is just fine |
| 19:20.23 | asg | kazol: is this a laptop or something that will suspend to disk, etch? |
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| 19:20.30 | tarzeau | kazol: just don't forget to remove old kernels if you build many of them and install them |
| 19:20.40 | daeos | wols: would savage be the same as s3 ? or would the s3 driver be best? |
| 19:20.49 | PingFloyd | 50MB for /boot is kind of pushing it |
| 19:20.55 | CharminTheMoose | thanks mstrobert and asg |
| 19:21.00 | kazol | asg, tarzeau: It's a webserver. So that will be enough even with software RAID-1? |
| 19:21.04 | asg | PingFloyd: it's fine unless you keep you /boot dirty |
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| 19:21.17 | jelly-home | I like my /boot dirty! |
| 19:21.18 | asg | kazol: how much system memory do you have? |
| 19:21.22 | wols | daeos: they are different. depends on your actual card |
| 19:21.26 | kazol | asg: 256 |
| 19:21.37 | PingFloyd | what do you mean by dirty? |
| 19:21.40 | wols | daeos: savage has its own very shitty driver |
| 19:21.51 | asg | kazol: sorry, saw that above. That'll be fine for swap |
| 19:21.51 | wols | ugly thing. I had a savage4 card. goddamn awful |
| 19:21.57 | |HellTiger| | is it possible to set an output from an console to xosd ? |
| 19:22.00 | kazol | ok |
| 19:22.04 | jelly-home | 55127/boot |
| 19:22.06 | asg | PingFloyd: lots of crap hanging around, old kernels, failed tests. |
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| 19:22.29 | daeos | wols: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. 86C270-294 Savage/IX-MV (rev 11) |
| 19:22.41 | tarzeau | asg: how many kernels did you manage to get onto one system? |
| 19:23.08 | asg | tarzeau: the most I've ever had was 7. These days, I only keep 2 + space for one more. |
| 19:23.08 | wols | daeos: there is a savage driver |
| 19:23.12 | daeos | wols: i understand the utter shittyness of s3, but this laptop has it and it can't be changed... so i have to work with it |
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| 19:23.19 | asg | tarzeau: I'm not bob2 |
| 19:23.24 | tarzeau | asg: do you have some automatic to get rid of old ones? |
| 19:23.28 | daeos | right, and the savage driver causes gdm not to load 75% of the time |
| 19:23.29 | tarzeau | !seen bob2 |
| 19:23.30 | dpkg | bob2 <n=bob4@ble59-5-82-233-207-9.fbx.proxad.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 278d 18h 55m 13s ago, saying: 'guerin fake ass yoursel'. |
| 19:23.50 | asg | tarzeau: apt-get remove --purge ;) |
| 19:23.50 | tarzeau | asg: that's not fun on many machines, run manually |
| 19:23.58 | tarzeau | asg: i've got some little script to keep the two latest 2.4 and 2.6 :) |
| 19:24.06 | tarzeau | asg: but i'm getting rid of te 2.4 ones anyways (w/ etch) |
| 19:24.19 | asg | tarzeau: I keep the running one, the working one previous, and enough space for the next one. |
| 19:24.23 | wols | daeos: the hardware is (barely) ok. I mean it's not worse than intel video that is built in |
| 19:24.27 | wols | of the same period |
| 19:24.30 | wols | the problem is the driver |
| 19:24.32 | tarzeau | asg: likewise |
| 19:24.35 | daeos | wols: understood |
| 19:26.07 | daeos | wols: well autodetect wants to use savage |
| 19:26.07 | daeos | and im assuming that it was picked upon install also |
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| 19:26.07 | wols | daeos: might have picked vesa |
| 19:26.07 | wols | and you can always pick it now |
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| 19:26.07 | daeos | wols: i see, abrotman suggested vesa... |
| 19:26.08 | jelly-home | S3 has had decent VESA BIOSes ... last time I used it, in 1999 :-) |
| 19:26.11 | daeos | wols: hmm ok i think i'll try the savage driver... |
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| 19:26.20 | daeos | see how it goes and change it if needed |
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| 19:27.18 | HardDisk_WP | how long does a apt-build build-source koffice usually take on a 2,1 GHz machine? |
| 19:27.19 | kazol | I don't get it, where is the preconfiguation file located? |
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| 19:27.50 | PingFloyd | HardDisk_WP: however long it needs |
| 19:28.27 | ofirg_ | anyone here administrate exim4 with more than the basic dpkg-reconfigure configuration? |
| 19:28.42 | asg | ofirg_: quite a few I imagine, why? |
| 19:28.47 | Dreamlinux | nonebody.. have experiencie whit the tv card saa7133/7135 ?? thanx |
| 19:28.50 | kazol | Does anyone here know where the preconfiguration file for installation is? |
| 19:29.06 | tarzeau | Dreamlinux: i use tvtime w/ the bt878 ones |
| 19:29.10 | daeos | wols: do i want this ? Use kernel framebuffer device interface? |
| 19:29.14 | Dreamlinux | realy?? |
| 19:29.20 | tarzeau | Dreamlinux: yeah works like a champion |
| 19:29.24 | Dreamlinux | jeje |
| 19:29.25 | wols | daeos: no iirc |
| 19:29.33 | wols | daeos: long time since I had such a card :) |
| 19:29.38 | HardDisk_WP | does anyone know a program for DVB-T cards? |
| 19:29.41 | tarzeau | Dreamlinux: know xawdecode? can even decode commercial tv programs |
| 19:29.43 | Dreamlinux | remove the module saa7134 right?? |
| 19:29.45 | HardDisk_WP | the card itself works |
| 19:29.55 | tarzeau | Dreamlinux: i have no idea about saa7133/7135 |
| 19:30.00 | nzk | FFS, my ftp server won't work. I've tried _EVERYTHING_ but it still gives me permission denied when I try to upload a file. I have CHMOD'd 777 MY ENTIRE DRIVE and gave the FTP server ROOT access, but it still won't work. |
| 19:30.02 | nzk | What do I do? |
| 19:30.03 | tarzeau | Dreamlinux: mine is hauppauge |
| 19:30.10 | Dreamlinux | look.. |
| 19:30.21 | ofirg_ | asg, because I don't understand how it is done. From the readme I see that one can put a exim4.conf of his own, but then there are no updates and lots of warnings about doing so... |
| 19:30.29 | Dreamlinux | dreamlinux@dreamdebian:~$ lspci | grep SAA |
| 19:30.30 | Dreamlinux | 00:08.0 Multimedia controller: Philips Semiconductors SAA7133/SAA7135 Video Broadcast Decoder (rev 10) |
| 19:30.30 | asg | nzk: reinstall for one thing since chmoding your entire drive to 777 has just rendered it broken |
| 19:30.44 | nzk | I need to get it to work |
| 19:30.57 | Dreamlinux | my tv card have the chip philips saa7133 :) |
| 19:31.09 | nzk | At this point I don't care about anything, I just need it to work |
| 19:31.30 | daeos | wols: iirc? |
| 19:31.53 | Dreamlinux | look.. my problem whit my tv card is the audio dude.. |
| 19:31.53 | asg | ofirg_: no updates? |
| 19:31.53 | ofirg_ | asg, and there is '2.1.5.2. Replacing exim4-config with your own exim4 configuration package.' which I don't understand what it means |
| 19:31.53 | wols | !iirc |
| 19:31.53 | dpkg | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
| 19:31.59 | ofirg_ | asg, that is what it say |
| 19:32.05 | ofirg_ | asg, no updates |
| 19:32.17 | asg | ofirg_: can you put the entire message in a pastebin? |
| 19:32.54 | asg | ofirg_: what it likely means is that if you install another package (i.e., spamassassin or similar) exim will not be preconfigured since you've chosen to roll your own. |
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| 19:35.53 | PingFloyd | ofirg_: that's how a lot of packages are -- if you make custom changes within /etc/* then then an update will not overwrite them. |
| 19:35.55 | ofirg_ | asg, from the README - http://pastebin.ca/516573 |
| 19:36.06 | PingFloyd | ofirg_: it's that way for good reason |
| 19:36.48 | ofirg_ | PingFloyd, but the way it is written in the README and other HOWTOs it seems like also security updates etc' would suffer |
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| 19:37.10 | valdyn | ofirg_: this is for distributing custom exim4 configurations accross many computers. Do you even need that? |
| 19:37.42 | ofirg_ | valdyn, just need custom configuration |
| 19:37.49 | PingFloyd | ofirg_: I think what they're saying, is that in the future if there is any needed tweaks that need to be included in the configuration file, it wouldn't get automatically added automatically. |
| 19:38.14 | valdyn | ofirg_: then you dont need 2.1.5.2. |
| 19:38.24 | ofirg_ | valdyn, then how am I supposed to do custom stuff? |
| 19:38.33 | valdyn | ofirg_: as with any other package |
| 19:38.34 | asg | ofirg_: you add custom stuff to /etc/exim4/conf.d/* |
| 19:38.49 | valdyn | asg: that's the hard way i think |
| 19:39.27 | asg | valdyn: it is, I've been using static configs for non-trvial instances since that's the way I did it in woody |
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| 19:40.43 | ofirg_ | asg, I have seen that it is recomended to use one big file, and not lots of separate files, and /etc/exim4/conf.d/ seem to have lots of directories I suspect for the split filed configuration , no? |
| 19:40.47 | asg | ofirg_: basically, it means that if there is an error found in the config or some hole, the security update that exim will be give will not affect your custom static setup. If you install some package that drops it's custom config in /etc/exim4/conf.d/*, you won't get that either. If this is fine with you, then you have nothing to worry about. |
| 19:40.48 | valdyn | ofirg_: the exim4 maintainer just put configuration stuff into a seperate package. That's quite unusual for debian and changes nothing at all in how you configure it |
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| 19:43.30 | ofirg_ | OK asg, valdyn . So I will just write an exim4.conf, and be done with it. I thought I was warned not to do it. |
| 19:43.31 | alexIdoia | what is the flag to use with sendmail to set the return path ? |
| 19:43.59 | valdyn | ofirg_: that's a hard way |
| 19:44.14 | ofirg_ | valdyn, what is the easy way? |
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| 19:44.19 | asg | ofirg_: you were warned but, if you know what you are doing, you are more than welcome to do it your way. Personally, I find a single conf much easier. |
| 19:44.35 | valdyn | ofirg_: i recommend you adjust the template and use the update-exim4.conf.conf for all you can |
| 19:45.01 | kazol | I'm setting up partitions for software RAID-1. Should I set up root, swap, or /boot as bootable? I'm guessing it's boot, but I once saw it being done as root; I just want to make sure. |
| 19:45.20 | ofirg_ | valdyn, this way will also stop "updates" for the config file right? |
| 19:45.27 | valdyn | ofirg_: update-exim4.conf.conf first, then IF you really need something that cant be done there, you can adjust the template |
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| 19:46.02 | NoWayMan_NotMe | Is lame not in the apt repositories for a reason? |
| 19:46.12 | asg | NoWayMan_NotMe: yes, it's non-free |
| 19:46.12 | valdyn | ofirg_: if you really need to change the template, yes. In that case you can diff your template and the new exim4.conf.template.dpkg-dist that will be put there |
| 19:46.20 | NoWayMan_NotMe | asg: It's not in non-free either |
| 19:46.28 | NoWayMan_NotMe | asg: On berkley anyway |
| 19:46.29 | asg | NoWayMan_NotMe: really non-free, /msg dpkg lame |
| 19:46.49 | valdyn | ofirg_: now i have no idea at all how far you even need to change things, so uh, i cant evaluate what you all will need to do |
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| 19:46.56 | NoWayMan_NotMe | asg: Can I add a repository to keep up with it as a debian package? |
| 19:47.07 | asg | NoWayMan_NotMe: the factoid lists debian-multimedia |
| 19:47.22 | NoWayMan_NotMe | asg: Word. I'll google that. |
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| 19:47.28 | ofirg_ | valdyn, first I want to have only virtual users |
| 19:47.30 | asg | NoWayMan_NotMe: no, just /msg dpkg debian-multimedia |
| 19:47.42 | ofirg_ | valdyn, next I want to add some filters and stuff |
| 19:48.00 | ofirg_ | valdyn, that isn't in dpkg-reconfigure |
| 19:48.03 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 19:48.10 | chupie | ok, my wireless works now, but only when i'm a few feet from my router.. when i go to my room, it won't connect.. do i need to increase the power? or something? |
| 19:48.48 | alexIdoia | can someone please tell me how sendmail set the return path of my email ? where is it set ? or how can I change it via the command line ? |
| 19:48.52 | enouf | rtfm then |
| 19:49.03 | ofirg_ | valdyn, maybe I will want to do more stuff. It is a bit depressing to have the most extensible mail server and not be able to configure it. Don't you think? |
| 19:49.20 | PingFloyd | ofirg_: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s05.html.en |
| 19:49.21 | enouf | this helpdesk hit has got to go... |
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| 19:49.45 | NoWayMan_NotMe | asg: So looks like the key server uses a funny port. You don't know off hand where I can get it via HTTP do you? |
| 19:49.55 | n0mad | hi. how can i make apt/aptitude downgrade (to testing) all sid packages currently on my system ? any recommendations for a good rss/atom reader ? |
| 19:50.01 | valdyn | ofirg_: sure, i can see you will probably need to learn more about exim4 than i ever knew |
| 19:50.10 | NoWayMan_NotMe | oooo pretty http itnerface |
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| 19:50.12 | ShockSMX | how can i stop debian from loading a graphical logon prompt on startup? |
| 19:50.29 | ofirg_ | valdyn, probably :s |
| 19:50.30 | flyinprogramer | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:50.32 | PingFloyd | ofirg_: another options is also to use a different mta |
| 19:50.47 | alexIdoia | anyone please help me with sendmail ? |
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| 19:50.48 | asg | NoWayMan_NotMe: marillat's page should provide instructions |
| 19:50.48 | kazol | chupie: You could install DD-WRT and boost the power output. |
| 19:50.56 | flyinprogramer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:51.27 | wintix | chupie: switching the channel might help in case you have some nasty inteferences |
| 19:51.43 | ofirg_ | PingFloyd, it isn't the MTA that is the problem... I just need to jump over the 'debian way' hurdle i.e. the way it is supposed to be configured under debian |
| 19:51.57 | [Jasper] | hej guys, is there a way to have like a rc manager? |
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| 19:52.00 | [Jasper] | like rc-update in gentoo? |
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| 19:52.25 | valdyn | [Jasper]: they suck, you should use a clean solution, what are you trying to do? |
| 19:52.35 | chupie | wintix: well.. i just had windows on here, and it worked perfectly |
| 19:52.39 | [Jasper] | hej be nice about gentoo |
| 19:52.45 | [Jasper] | they don't whine about debian either |
| 19:52.55 | [Jasper] | anyways, I wanna have a nice visual manager for rc |
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| 19:53.00 | azeem | [Jasper]: "they" as in "those tools" |
| 19:53.01 | valdyn | [Jasper]: these tools in debian suck - for users - they're for scripts |
| 19:53.18 | valdyn | [Jasper]: and those with a gui are just broken in a way |
| 19:53.28 | valdyn | [Jasper]: so - what are you trying to do anyway? |
| 19:53.29 | PingFloyd | ofirg_: the debian guide says if you need finer grain setup you'll need edit the configuration files under /etc/exim4 dir |
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| 19:53.45 | ma3x | can I restore /etc /var on my current active partition? |
| 19:53.51 | PingFloyd | ofirg_: it also makes mention of refering to /usr/share/doc/exim4 for further details |
| 19:53.51 | [Jasper] | hmm trying to remove a sendmail script from rc |
| 19:53.51 | ofirg_ | PingFloyd, ok |
| 19:53.53 | toad_ | how do i add an sshfs filesystem to my fstab? |
| 19:53.57 | valdyn | ma3x: if you ahve a backup |
| 19:54.02 | [Jasper] | why are there even so many rc directories? |
| 19:54.06 | [Jasper] | and not just 1? |
| 19:54.12 | ma3x | valdyn, I do, but I don't want to reboot to go to live cd mode |
| 19:54.13 | valdyn | [Jasper]: which sendmail script? did you add it? |
| 19:54.15 | toad_ | do i have to write an init script if i want persistent sshfs's? |
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| 19:54.27 | PingFloyd | ofirg_: that's kind of the gist of things in general though -- that dpkg-reconfigure is not meant to be all encompassing |
| 19:54.42 | ofirg_ | ok |
| 19:54.44 | PingFloyd | ofirg_: just to cover most simple cases |
| 19:54.55 | ma3x | what am I allowed to backup? |
| 19:55.11 | valdyn | ma3x: that's a funny question |
| 19:55.14 | JeffH | anyone know what a good spf server to use? I'm using postfix if that has any bearing. |
| 19:55.15 | ma3x | can I overwrite /bin boot dev emul lib ...... ? |
| 19:55.28 | PingFloyd | ofirg_: there's actually a lot of debate about the proper scope of that, from what I've gathered from different things that I've read |
| 19:55.33 | ma3x | valdyn, it wasn't complete :) |
| 19:55.45 | [Jasper] | I guess it did itself valdyn |
| 19:55.53 | [Jasper] | but why are there like 6 rc directories in debian? |
| 19:56.04 | ShockSMX | how can i stop debian from loading a graphical logon prompt on startup? |
| 19:56.09 | ofirg_ | PingFloyd, exactly... but I am trying for several days to figure out how am I supposed to configure... didn't even read yet how to make an exim4.conf file, which is what I should really have been doing. but instead, I tried to find which conf file I should use, since there was no exim4.conf file in /etc/exim4 |
| 19:56.10 | valdyn | [Jasper]: because there's that many runlevels |
| 19:56.14 | azeem | !nodm |
| 19:56.14 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 19:56.16 | azeem | ShockSMX: ^^ |
| 19:56.22 | PingFloyd | ofirg_: ideally, the changelogs will tell you anything you may need to do in the case of manual configuration |
| 19:56.25 | valdyn | [Jasper]: 'it did itself' ? you installed sendmail? why? |
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| 19:56.37 | PingFloyd | ofirg_: if the there is any new caveats in an update |
| 19:56.41 | [Jasper] | valdyn because I needed to send mail? |
| 19:56.43 | ma3x | so |
| 19:56.50 | valdyn | [Jasper]: funny |
| 19:57.06 | valdyn | [Jasper]: the default mailer is exim4, i dont know why someone would install sendmail over it |
| 19:57.06 | ma3x | can I restore on this (running system) partition /bin /boot /etc /lib /var? |
| 19:57.07 | [Jasper] | what's funny about it? |
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| 19:57.30 | PingFloyd | ofirg_: about all I can tell you is exim4 can go with either a consolidated conf file or have it's configuration split up in many smaller ones |
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| 19:57.34 | [Jasper] | so? I like sendmail better |
| 19:57.40 | valdyn | [Jasper]: if you dont want sendmail to start automagically, just move /etc/init.d/sendmail away |
| 19:57.44 | PingFloyd | ofirg_: and the two methods have their tradeoffs |
| 19:57.54 | ma3x | anyone? |
| 19:57.55 | Nosf3ratu | bueller? |
| 19:58.10 | sobersabre | guys how can this be: |
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| 19:58.25 | sobersabre | I creaed an md0 device. |
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| 19:58.38 | sobersabre | it has all the partition types as raid autodetect. |
| 19:58.39 | wintix | ma3x: ask a complete question and you might get help |
| 19:58.42 | [Jasper] | k valdyn but my main question is, why are tehre 6 rc directories? |
| 19:58.46 | ma3x | wintix, I did |
| 19:58.51 | ma3x | can I restore on this (running system) partition /bin /boot /etc /lib /var? |
| 19:58.55 | ma3x | what's wrong with my question |
| 19:58.59 | smcavoy_ | anyone else notice that the debian nagios2 package removes the pid file when it reloads? |
| 19:59.04 | ma3x | guess nobody tried that, lol |
| 19:59.05 | rking | what was the name of that package that lets you use the extra keys on, say, an HP keyboard (sleep, play, pause, etc) |
| 19:59.19 | jsj | Anyone know of a program that can analyze a text document and color highlight sections that have similar words/phrases? |
| 19:59.19 | sobersabre | and now, when running blkid, I get the RAID comprising partitions have misc types: xfs, reiserfs, jfs, etc. |
| 19:59.19 | azeem | ma3x: depends on how you backup/restore, etc. I guess |
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| 19:59.20 | wintix | !tell sobersabre about enter |
| 19:59.21 | azeem | ma3x: you "can" of course, it doesn't mean it'd make sense |
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| 19:59.23 | azeem | or work |
| 19:59.28 | ma3x | azeem, mv /home/ma3x/bakup/bin / |
| 19:59.31 | sobersabre | wintix: thanks. |
| 19:59.38 | sobersabre | !tell wintix about sobersabre |
| 19:59.42 | sobersabre | :) |
| 19:59.57 | azeem | ma3x: did you upgrade libc6 in the meantime? |
| 20:00.13 | ma3x | azeem, I don't know |
| 20:00.24 | ma3x | azeem, I did a complete dist-upgrade to unstable |
| 20:00.30 | azeem | then yes |
| 20:00.39 | vin` | rking: hotkeys? |
| 20:00.52 | ma3x | azeem, what yes? yes I can? |
| 20:01.02 | azeem | then yes you upgraded glibc |
| 20:01.05 | ma3x | azeem, won't that crash / freeze the system or something ? |
| 20:01.10 | sobersabre | war: r u asleep ? |
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| 20:01.22 | azeem | ma3x: probably not, it might make the system unusable though |
| 20:01.22 | sobersabre | and don't ell me about 'u' and 'r' :) |
| 20:01.23 | azeem | dunno |
| 20:01.24 | rking | vin`: Ha! That's it! Thanks. |
| 20:01.26 | azeem | ma3x: I wouldn't advise it |
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| 20:02.17 | rking | vin` |
| 20:02.42 | wintix | sobersabre: :p |
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| 20:03.44 | war | sobersabre: fun stuff, sortof |
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| 20:08.05 | ma3x | how do you extract afio files? |
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| 20:08.28 | rking | ma3x: have you tried `apt-cache search afio`? |
| 20:08.52 | pawel21 | hi, why i should use in shell scripts for programms like wget a variable (WGET="/usr/bin/wget") ? |
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| 20:09.36 | Sebboh | Dns question. Not debian related. Hi. Suppose example.com is registered with registrar.com.. when I do a whois -h whois.registrar.com example.com, it tells me that the nameserver for example.com is ns1.example.com ... How does that work? How do I find the ip address of the name server for example.com? |
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| 20:09.57 | ShockSMX | azeem: thanks |
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| 20:10.24 | Sebboh | #dns and #bind are sleeping.. =( |
| 20:10.28 | pawel21 | Sebboh, i think with "dig" |
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| 20:10.45 | Sebboh | Pawel21, Well.. Yes. |
| 20:10.48 | zenko | hi |
| 20:10.50 | ma3x | [Main] mondo-restore.c->restore_all_biggiefiles_from_CD#2043: Warning - cannot openout /tmp/tmpfs/mondo.tmp.17767/biggies-whose-EXATs-we-should-set |
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| 20:11.36 | zenko | someone alive? |
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| 20:11.57 | Hoxzer | well, if you can call nolifer alive |
| 20:12.55 | JordiGH | I like to think of myself as undead, thankyouverymuch. |
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| 20:13.37 | zenko | Jordi? i wish you speak spanish im right? |
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| 20:14.03 | Wishful | hello |
| 20:14.12 | zenko | hello |
| 20:14.29 | daeos | should xorg be running as root? |
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| 20:14.37 | Wishful | i need help with my root partition. its full (2.5GB) and i dont know how to empty it |
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| 20:15.10 | zenko | xD do another and move /usr in the new |
| 20:15.13 | zenko | by example |
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| 20:15.24 | cusco | Wishful: try removing /var/cache/apt/ |
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| 20:15.27 | cusco | Wishful: try removing /var/cache/apt/* |
| 20:15.27 | Wishful | i could check /usr/ size |
| 20:15.37 | cusco | or is /var a different partition than / |
| 20:15.49 | Wishful | cusco, sudo rm -r /var/cache/apt/* ? |
| 20:15.53 | cusco | yes |
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| 20:16.31 | Wishful | is that done automatically? |
| 20:16.42 | Wishful | ive never done that before (aroudn 5 months) |
| 20:16.51 | cusco | apt-get clean |
| 20:16.53 | cusco | or somethng |
| 20:16.55 | limpio | Wishful, apt-get clean |
| 20:16.55 | cusco | will do the same |
| 20:17.06 | cusco | or autoclean |
| 20:17.26 | Sebboh | Wishful: you might find the du utility useful. I use du -hs /somedirectory/* to list the sizes of each item in /somedirectory. |
| 20:17.49 | Wishful | nice |
| 20:18.03 | Wishful | btw, the clean thing freed up 600 mb |
| 20:18.08 | limpio | Wishful, install localepurge |
| 20:18.22 | zenko | wow 600mb |
| 20:18.35 | Wishful | yeah |
| 20:18.36 | zenko | hey i have an idea |
| 20:18.41 | smacnay | How many people use fetchmail for one internet account on a stand-alone system? Or is it more sensible to use a mail programs internal pop3 retrieval method? |
| 20:18.50 | Wishful | told ya i never flushed apt cache |
| 20:19.04 | Wishful | ill check on localepurge |
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| 20:19.16 | Sebboh | bye |
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| 20:19.21 | limpio | Wishful, deborphan debfoster |
| 20:19.47 | Wishful | what are those? commands, software? |
| 20:20.04 | limpio | software, use apt-cache show |
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| 20:20.37 | Wishful | great |
| 20:20.41 | Wishful | will check |
| 20:20.59 | Wishful | 1.9 gb root partition feels like crowded still |
| 20:21.18 | JordiGH | zenko: Yes, I'm a native Spanish speaker. What's up? |
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| 20:22.10 | zenko | oh nothing me too |
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| 20:23.12 | cusco | Wishful: as root: du -sh /* |
| 20:24.12 | Wishful | i was looking for that exactly |
| 20:24.13 | Wishful | tvm |
| 20:24.36 | JordiGH | zenko: Debian has a sizable number of users and developers speaking all of the world's major languages. ;-) |
| 20:24.48 | duri | amanda vs bacula . what do you guys think of one vs the other ? |
| 20:25.07 | flyinprogramer | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:25.21 | duri | I have used amanda on a small install in the past. I am considering if investing time in bacula |
| 20:25.35 | JordiGH | I knew how to do that. Something to do with .htaccess files. |
| 20:26.03 | sobersabre | is nfs4 better than nfs3 ? |
| 20:26.04 | cusco | flyinprogramer: that one is easy |
| 20:26.16 | flyinprogramer | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:26.31 | tarzeau | sobersabre: i don't know anyone using nfs4 |
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| 20:26.44 | tarzeau | sobersabre: except some guys that want to use kerberos |
| 20:27.35 | cusco | flyinprogramer: change the line that reads: DirectoryIndex index.php index.html index.htm index.cgi |
| 20:28.03 | cusco | take the index.html out of there or change it to default.html or comment that line entirelly |
| 20:28.10 | flyinprogramer | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:28.35 | flyinprogramer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:30.25 | FuzzyB | how do i get a list of installed packages? |
| 20:30.33 | tarzeau | !installed |
| 20:30.33 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
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| 20:30.52 | FuzzyB | !installed |
| 20:30.52 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 20:30.56 | FuzzyB | oh ok |
| 20:31.13 | cusco | flyinprogramer: put a line like that in the .htaccess file |
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| 20:31.27 | cusco | or in the vhost file |
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| 20:32.12 | Micromus | I've got debian installed on a disk, and now i try to install windows on the same disk, but winxp will only install to the first partition on a disk. Is it possible to boot a live cd and move my debian partitions around? |
| 20:32.25 | tarzeau | Micromus: yes |
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| 20:32.41 | tarzeau | Micromus: you'll need to adjust the boot loader and /etc/fstab though |
| 20:33.45 | Micromus | tarzeau: ofcourse, but which tools would i use to move a partition around? will i only need to edit the FAT or do i have to move all the data physically around? |
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| 20:33.50 | wintix | Micromus: after installing windows you need to recover grub or whatever bootloader you use. windows will overwrite it. so make sure to have a rescue cd handy |
| 20:34.03 | Micromus | i have redundant /boot on a usb stick |
| 20:34.07 | ma3x | this sid is fuckin broken |
| 20:34.10 | ma3x | so many many packages |
| 20:34.12 | ma3x | mondo too |
| 20:34.13 | tarzeau | Micromus: dd for example |
| 20:34.18 | ma3x | I'd never use it again |
| 20:34.22 | Micromus | cause windows has already fucked my /boot's :) |
| 20:34.22 | azeem | good |
| 20:34.27 | tarzeau | Micromus: make a partition of the same size |
| 20:34.32 | tarzeau | Micromus: set the partition type |
| 20:34.40 | ma3x | I just pray to restore |
| 20:34.40 | Micromus | tarzeau: i see, i hope i have enough space on the right places:) |
| 20:34.54 | Micromus | and dd if=/dev/x of=/dev/x |
| 20:35.05 | tarzeau | Micromus: good luck |
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| 20:35.11 | Micromus | thanks;) |
| 20:35.13 | tarzeau | Micromus: add bs=1024k |
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| 20:35.21 | tarzeau | Micromus: and make sure x and x are partitions and not disks |
| 20:35.40 | Micromus | how vital is blocksize? wont dd figure it out by itself? |
| 20:35.48 | tarzeau | Micromus: it's just for speed |
| 20:35.53 | Micromus | ahh, okay |
| 20:35.57 | tarzeau | Micromus: no, but it'll be slower without it :)_ |
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| 20:36.34 | ma3x | azeem, is apt-listbugs good to have on etch? I didn't have it before, but I also never had any bugs on etch |
| 20:37.10 | flyinprogramer | yay |
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| 20:37.12 | flyinprogramer | i win |
| 20:37.14 | bluesceada | hmm i cant install amarok 1.4.5 in debian ... this doesnt want to do it: aptitude -t experimental install amarok |
| 20:37.18 | tarzeau | ma3x: never had any bugs on etch? you're funny |
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| 20:37.33 | bluesceada | i'm new to debian or any apt-get based systems |
| 20:37.33 | teknotus | I tend to use a 64 meg block size with dd. goes super fast |
| 20:37.45 | bluesceada | so maybe anybody knows what i do wrong |
| 20:37.49 | tarzeau | teknotus: ouf , really? |
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| 20:38.24 | ma3x | tarzeau, really everything worked so smooth |
| 20:38.25 | teknotus | tarzeau: Yeah it buffers it up. |
| 20:38.36 | tarzeau | ma3x: that's one thing, having no bugs another |
| 20:38.43 | tarzeau | ma3x: and noticing them one more |
| 20:38.56 | tarzeau | teknotus: nice gotta try that once |
| 20:38.58 | ma3x | tarzeau, compared to sid, it's not even comparable! |
| 20:39.05 | teknotus | tarzeau: Make sure you actually have that much available ram though, or it will freeze the system. |
| 20:39.08 | bluesceada | anyone ? :S |
| 20:39.09 | ma3x | anyway, what happens if I rm * in /proc ? |
| 20:39.13 | ma3x | will the system boot? |
| 20:39.15 | ma3x | :p |
| 20:39.19 | tarzeau | ma3x: i'd really like to have a peek on dpkg -l on one of your systems |
| 20:39.27 | tarzeau | ma3x: not much |
| 20:39.31 | bluesceada | i have the experimental repository in pinning |
| 20:39.33 | tarzeau | ma3x: it certainly won't boot |
| 20:39.43 | tarzeau | ma3x: not even an rm -rf / will reboot your system |
| 20:39.47 | ma3x | tarzeau, so why backuppers don't backup /proc? |
| 20:40.04 | tarzeau | ma3x: you don't want a memory dump on your backups |
| 20:40.22 | bluesceada | :( |
| 20:40.23 | tarzeau | ma3x: /proc is not on the disk |
| 20:40.41 | ma3x | tarzeau, if I boot from live cd and I do ls /proc on the unactive partition, will there be something inside? |
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| 20:41.09 | tarzeau | ma3x: if you tell me what an unanctive partition is, i'll try to answer your question |
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| 20:41.45 | ma3x | tarzeau, in my case - when you boot form live cd, the partition that I need to fix |
| 20:41.55 | teknotus | tarzeau: I'm not sure what the optimal size is. I bet 64Megs isn't it. Probably depends on the speed of the drives |
| 20:42.01 | ma3x | tarzeau, in other words i boot from the live cd and I need to fix /dev/hda1 for example |
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| 20:42.16 | tarzeau | teknotus: i find 1mb acceptable |
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| 20:42.46 | tarzeau | ma3x: what has all that to do with /proc ? |
| 20:42.47 | ma3x | tarzeau, a system partition that you do not currently boot from, but that you have mounted as read only for example |
| 20:43.08 | smacnay | Hi, what is the easiest setup for mutt and icedove to share directories? |
| 20:43.11 | PingFloyd | ma3x: /proc is a virtual filesystem |
| 20:43.18 | ma3x | what does it exactly do? |
| 20:43.21 | ma3x | store memory stuff? |
| 20:43.29 | smacnay | I know that with mbox format, both apps can't be run simultaneously. |
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| 20:43.35 | tarzeau | ma3x: process information |
| 20:43.39 | jneves | ma3x: interface to the kernel |
| 20:43.40 | Niklas_krank | hey debian guys |
| 20:43.44 | tarzeau | ma3x: linux added a lot of other crap to it |
| 20:43.56 | ma3x | tarzeau, so when you shutdown your system, that will be erased, right? |
| 20:43.57 | tarzeau | ma3x: although cmdline is very useful imho |
| 20:44.08 | PingFloyd | ma3x: yes |
| 20:44.15 | tarzeau | ma3x: it's not on a disk, so it's not erased from disk. it's just in the memory |
| 20:44.22 | tarzeau | ma3x: and when the computer doesn't have power anymore |
| 20:44.43 | tarzeau | ma3x: the ram memory loses all information about it |
| 20:44.43 | ma3x | PingFloyd, so I don't need to have anything in /proc on the partition im trying to fix when I boot from live cd |
| 20:44.52 | jneves | ma3x: correct - it's an empty dir |
| 20:45.01 | Niklas_krank | I just wanted to tell you something about censorship in the Ubuntu community, and wanted to ask wether someone could maybe test wether the debian community is less close minded |
| 20:45.04 | Niklas_krank | http://linux.blogweb.de/ this was removed today from planet.ubuntu.com it would be cool if one of you could cover this on planet.debian.org I realy hope the debian community is less closed minded at least they should know what Ubuntu is doing in terms of censorship |
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| 20:45.29 | PingFloyd | ma3x: /proc should just be nothing more than a mount point for /proc |
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| 20:46.14 | ma3x | PingFloyd, ok then I will erase the current system partition then boot from live cd and restore the following : bin boot dev emul etc lib proc sbin sys usr |
| 20:46.20 | ma3x | does that seem fine to you? |
| 20:47.00 | PingFloyd | ma3x: I believe your /proc and /sys just merely need to be a dir |
| 20:47.23 | PingFloyd | ma3x: so you don't really need to restore those |
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| 20:47.45 | ma3x | if in /proc is stored process information then what's stored in /sys |
| 20:47.47 | ma3x | system information? |
| 20:47.55 | PingFloyd | ma3x: I believe /dev is going to come down to whether you use udev or devfs |
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| 20:49.17 | ma3x | PingFloyd, udev |
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| 20:49.28 | ma3x | that's the default with etch right? |
| 20:49.35 | PingFloyd | ma3x: in that case, you probably only need a /dev dir |
| 20:49.51 | ma3x | PingFloyd, so again same thing like proc |
| 20:50.05 | ma3x | on shutdown it's good as empty and on boot it creates its stuff? |
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| 20:50.20 | JordiGH | !test |
| 20:50.20 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 20:50.22 | PingFloyd | not sure what emul is |
| 20:50.35 | PingFloyd | but anyway, restore those other dirs you mentioned |
| 20:50.43 | PingFloyd | and all their contents |
| 20:50.50 | ma3x | PingFloyd, emule :p |
| 20:51.05 | PingFloyd | then just mkdir /proc /sys /dev |
| 20:51.06 | ma3x | emulation libs 32 |
| 20:51.16 | PingFloyd | not sure how that one works |
| 20:51.27 | Micromus | tarzeau: about my partition moves with dd, can the destination partitions be bigger? or will that mess anything up? |
| 20:51.29 | ma3x | I'll restore that one |
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| 20:51.39 | ma3x | ok thanks PingFloyd |
| 20:51.45 | PingFloyd | you can look at the fstab for hints |
| 20:51.48 | ma3x | what's your nick anyway? |
| 20:51.57 | ma3x | the music group pink floyd? |
| 20:51.57 | tarzeau | Micromus: it can be bigger |
| 20:51.59 | JordiGH | Micromus: Any particular reason why you're doing naked dd moves instead of using Gparted or Qtparted or similar? |
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| 20:52.33 | Micromus | cause dd seems simple yet effective for the job :) |
| 20:52.38 | tarzeau | Micromus: but i haven't done that ever |
| 20:52.50 | tarzeau | Micromus: i usually only clone whole disks, and then you get unpartitioned space on larger ones |
| 20:53.01 | tarzeau | Micromus: so i'm not sure what will or can happen on your case |
| 20:53.14 | Micromus | aha, i think i'll play safe then :) |
| 20:53.19 | purplepenguins | if you want to have your iptables rules automatically restore themselves on reboot, where you have to put the script? |
| 20:53.34 | Micromus | JordiGH: is gparted or qtparted on the backtrack live cd? |
| 20:53.56 | Micromus | purplepenguins: /etc/init.d/ ? |
| 20:54.30 | purplepenguins | Okay |
| 20:54.42 | Yevgen | hm... is reiser4 stable enough for everyday use? I'm planning complete system reinstall and considering to use it... |
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| 20:54.48 | purplepenguins | what command sets it to be automagically started during boot |
| 20:54.49 | azeem | Yevgen: no |
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| 20:55.05 | busfahrer | Yevgen: no |
| 20:55.19 | JordiGH | Micromus: Qtparted is in Knoppix. I don't know what backtrackis. |
| 20:55.19 | JordiGH | is. |
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| 20:55.39 | tarzeau | Micromus: i was pretty disappointed by backtrack 2 |
| 20:55.55 | MiK[3]Zz | me too |
| 20:55.58 | tarzeau | Micromus: i've successfully used livecd.gnustep.org with apt-get update; apt-get install qtparted though |
| 20:56.00 | JordiGH | Евген: Ðет. |
| 20:56.03 | MiK[3]Zz | it's lil bit shity |
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| 20:56.23 | Micromus | i havent used it that much really, i was fiddling with usb-boot, and happen to have it easily available |
| 20:56.45 | Micromus | tarzeau: box isnt online, anyway, i think dd will do fine |
| 20:57.02 | JordiGH | Sweet, I can see Cyrillic. But it's probably UTF. |
| 20:57.11 | Sweetandy | My understanding of CVS and SVN are that they are highly controllable folders on both remote and local hosts that synch to each other with version control, so for example you can edit a file locally and then update it on a server. Is this correct? |
| 20:57.12 | Yevgen | ok... what FS would u recommend to use? From this review http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/388 XFS seems best system or there is no big difference considering it will be used for deskotop env? |
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| 20:57.28 | nooneelse | can I use rsync to sync only the owner and group ? |
| 20:57.39 | JordiGH | And all the Debianistas are still using KOI-8. :-/ |
| 20:57.50 | nooneelse | can I use rsync to sync only the owner and group ? even if the dirs have no the same content ? |
| 20:57.52 | tarzeau | nooneelse: not really, but i've got some tool, let me find it |
| 20:58.19 | tarzeau | nooneelse: www.linuks.mine.nu/perms/ |
| 20:58.21 | nooneelse | tarzeau hmm if you have it will be a great! cause I have to sync tons of files |
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| 20:58.50 | tarzeau | nooneelse: rsync is for syncronizing files, it'll do so keeping permissions (w/ -av) and if the filesystem supports that |
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| 20:59.06 | tarzeau | nooneelse: my tool is only useful if you saved the permissions before |
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| 20:59.46 | nooneelse | tarzeau well I can get the original permissions, cause I have device1 (original stuff) and device2(modified root:root stuff) |
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| 21:00.09 | nooneelse | tarzeau which command do I generate the file with the list of owners,perms....? |
| 21:00.39 | tarzeau | nooneelse: can you read the perms script? |
| 21:01.12 | tarzeau | nooneelse: try perms > .perms |
| 21:01.30 | tarzeau | nooneelse: then perms -restore at the destination (make sure you have the .perms at the destination) |
| 21:01.34 | tarzeau | nooneelse: it works recursively |
| 21:02.40 | nooneelse | tarzeau soh it generates the .perms files |
| 21:02.51 | tarzeau | nooneelse: no, it writes to stdout |
| 21:02.57 | Sweetandy | If I wanted to be able to have my entire website in a folder on my computer, and when I make changes they take effect on a specified remote server (either by means of SCP or FTP), what software might I use? |
| 21:02.58 | tarzeau | nooneelse: you need to generate it using perms > .perms |
| 21:03.18 | nooneelse | tarzeau and then to restore just use #perms |
| 21:03.26 | nooneelse | with the .perms on the destination |
| 21:03.43 | tarzeau | nooneelse: yes just run perms again, and make sure you have .perms at the place |
| 21:03.57 | tarzeau | nooneelse: the key is to run it at the right place, with the right .perms file there |
| 21:03.58 | ix | Sweetandy: how about mounting the remote folder via SSHFS? |
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| 21:04.12 | nooneelse | tarzeau does it record the .perms file with the full path to each file ? I mean does it do recursive ? |
| 21:04.23 | SamuraiDio | how can i downgrade a package? |
| 21:04.28 | tarzeau | nooneelse: not sure on that, i think it's relative |
| 21:04.35 | Sweetandy | ix: It's... I'll put it nicely, "slow" to manipulate the files and folders. |
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| 21:04.53 | nooneelse | tarzeau cause basicly I have lotta of dirs->subdir1->subdir2 |
| 21:04.54 | bonez41 | how does one change ones mx records? I host my own email....and have cable via Comcast |
| 21:04.55 | tarzeau | nooneelse: because find can be very slow on large filesystems (many files) |
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| 21:05.04 | ix | Sweetandy: well, when do you want it to synchronize the files? |
| 21:05.10 | tarzeau | nooneelse: just tyr it in some sub->sub->subdir then |
| 21:05.15 | Sweetandy | ix: When I tell it to? |
| 21:05.19 | tarzeau | nooneelse: look at the script, look at the .perms file |
| 21:05.24 | nooneelse | ok |
| 21:05.29 | tarzeau | nooneelse: and try to understand it, it's kept very simple |
| 21:05.38 | ix | Sweetandy: and manual FTP/SCP is inadequate? |
| 21:05.42 | daeos | should xorg be running as root? |
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| 21:05.54 | Sweetandy | ix: 8 / I guess I could just mount it with SSHFS |
| 21:05.58 | eonbluetastico | sup peoples |
| 21:06.14 | ix | Sweetandy: works like a charm for me, but, then again, I have a very fast connection |
| 21:06.33 | eonbluetastico | I am looking for a remote backup solution, a daemon that can run natively in linux but maybe already has some GUI CLIENTS for windows/mac? |
| 21:06.43 | eonbluetastico | anything like that exist or am I gonna have to code a frontend |
| 21:06.48 | eonbluetastico | for rsync or something |
| 21:06.59 | nooneelse | tarzeau ok, thanks man ill chek this out |
| 21:07.16 | georgy28 | eonbluetastico : try backuppc |
| 21:07.16 | tarzeau | eonbluetastico: for mac there's some very nice gui clients |
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| 21:07.50 | JosefAssad | em, there's a nice rsync client for windows IIRC. Not that the idea is to support windows in here, mind |
| 21:08.14 | JosefAssad | or was that ssh |
| 21:08.46 | eonbluetastico | JosefAssad: yeah we have a few linux machines in our datacenter and a lot of clients are requesting a remote backup solution now (windows customers) |
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| 21:09.27 | Sweetandy | thanks ix |
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| 21:09.50 | nooneelse | tarzeau hey man this script is a kick on the ass |
| 21:10.01 | nooneelse | tarzeau it creates with full path |
| 21:10.26 | nooneelse | tarzeau but it with which command I use PERMS OWNER:GROUP ? |
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| 21:11.16 | tarzeau | nooneelse: you can use the same script to restore -restore is the parameter |
| 21:11.23 | nooneelse | ah |
| 21:11.27 | tarzeau | nooneelse: aha, i don't remember, i just needed it once, then i didn't have it |
| 21:11.28 | nooneelse | forgot it |
| 21:11.43 | tarzeau | nooneelse: then i wrote it, and i never needed it again |
| 21:11.44 | tarzeau | i'm glad someone else has a use for it |
| 21:12.29 | GhostlyDeath | Well this is good, I can shutdown my laptop and switch displays no problem... |
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| 21:12.40 | GhostlyDeath | Not used to the laptop color though =/ |
| 21:12.56 | Palish | Hello.. I'm getting a somewhat cryptic error message: http://rafb.net/p/twvRYZ12.html |
| 21:13.05 | Palish | I was wondering if anyone could glance at it quickly and tell me what they think is going on |
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| 21:13.22 | nooneelse | tarzeau that script must be santified |
| 21:13.25 | nooneelse | :] |
| 21:13.31 | tarzeau | nooneelse: why? |
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| 21:13.45 | tarzeau | i accept patches |
| 21:13.49 | r4nge | if i make a change to /etc/security/limits.conf, how can i make the changes go into effect without restarting? |
| 21:14.08 | nooneelse | tarzeau cause its very useful if you lost owner, perm of lotta of files like about 1,5 milion files |
| 21:14.11 | tarzeau | Palish: apxs is some apache stuff |
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| 21:14.21 | jelly-home | Palish: you don't have gcc installed? |
| 21:14.26 | Palish | tarzeau: Yeah..but it's relying on a command that's not found.. |
| 21:14.34 | Palish | typing 'gcc' yields 'gcc: no input files' |
| 21:14.40 | Palish | so I'd assume it's installed |
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| 21:15.32 | jelly-home | gcc: /usr/bin/i486-linux-gnu-gcc (on lenny) |
| 21:15.48 | azeem | Palish: which architecture are you on? |
| 21:16.05 | Palish | x86 |
| 21:16.17 | tarzeau | nooneelse: yes it can be useful |
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| 21:17.07 | nooneelse | tarzeau you just save me from copy permissions one by one, or copy all the 1.5mi files again |
| 21:17.15 | nooneelse | tarzeau thnks a LOTA |
| 21:17.33 | tarzeau | nooneelse: my pleasure :) |
| 21:17.51 | Palish | would anyone know which command is missing? |
| 21:17.55 | Palish | or what it's trying to do? |
| 21:18.03 | Palish | not so good yet at translating Linux into Human |
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| 21:19.53 | jelly-home | Palish: which gcc version do you have installed? Which debian release are you using? |
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| 21:20.05 | Edulix | hi |
| 21:20.09 | Palish | debian etch.. the development one. and I don't know about gcc version.. |
| 21:20.12 | Palish | ah |
| 21:20.18 | Palish | 3.4.6 (Debian 3.4.6-5) |
| 21:20.20 | Edulix | what package contains the development tools for qt4 in debian? |
| 21:20.25 | Edulix | qmake, uic, etc |
| 21:20.59 | jelly-home | Palish: um, gcc is version 4.1.1 is Debian. dpkg -l gcc |
| 21:21.09 | sobersabre | guys, is 139 MB/s acceptable write speed of large files onto RAID5 of 4 disks ? |
| 21:21.27 | Palish | dpkg -l gcc prints gcc version 3.3.5-3 |
| 21:21.28 | dpkg | No packages found matching gcc prints gcc version 3.3.5-3 |
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| 21:21.39 | tuxsplaymate | pretty acceptable sobersabre |
| 21:21.41 | tarzeau | sobersabre: it's great |
| 21:21.44 | jelly-home | Palish: that sounds like sarge, not etch |
| 21:21.50 | Palish | It's etch development version. |
| 21:22.05 | tarzeau | sobersabre: how long can you keep it writing at that speed? |
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| 21:22.07 | Palish | before it went stable |
| 21:22.07 | jelly-home | Palish: etch is stable now -- you most probably need to upgrade. |
| 21:22.21 | Palish | okay. But then I run into this WONDERFUL problem when I do apt-get update |
| 21:22.24 | Palish | where it complains about the key thing |
| 21:22.28 | sobersabre | tarzeau: this is 10GB file writing average. |
| 21:22.28 | Palish | then when I request the key, it hangs |
| 21:22.29 | tarzeau | sobersabre: i mean i've tried the gbit network at work last week, i got like 30mb/s downloading/writing to disk (single sata one) |
| 21:22.36 | jelly-home | Palish: see the topic? |
| 21:22.41 | Palish | yeah, that doesn't work. |
| 21:22.42 | Palish | it hangs. |
| 21:22.51 | tarzeau | sobersabre: not bad, what kind of files is that? and do you use very large inode sizes on the filesystem? |
| 21:22.52 | sobersabre | tarzeau: I am talking about local. |
| 21:23.03 | sobersabre | tarzeau: it's /dev/zero |
| 21:23.05 | tarzeau | sobersabre: yes i got that |
| 21:23.10 | jelly-home | Palish: what is the exact command that hangs? |
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| 21:23.26 | sobersabre | it's SATA "3Gb" |
| 21:23.27 | Palish | let me try it again.. |
| 21:23.41 | sobersabre | I wonder where and when am I supposed to experience the 3G |
| 21:23.59 | sobersabre | and maybe it's Gbits/s |
| 21:24.20 | war | sobersabre: so you finally made it? |
| 21:24.21 | tarzeau | sobersabre: that'd still make 375 mb |
| 21:24.26 | war | sobersabre: thats acceptable |
| 21:24.31 | jelly-home | sobersabre: SATA-II is definitely 3Gbps |
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| 21:26.24 | Palish | okay, am I supposed to be executing the command: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - |
| 21:26.24 | Palish | that works, and doesn't hang, but it doesn't resolve the problem either |
| 21:26.25 | Palish | when I request my missing key (8722E71E) instead of 2D230C5F, then it does hang. |
| 21:26.25 | Insolit | what causes a CGI script to cause a bash: ./session.cgi: /usr/bin/perl: bad interpreter: Permission denied error? |
| 21:26.39 | sobersabre | war: I've waited the "recovering" to finish. |
| 21:26.52 | Insolit | that error happens when running the cgi script in FAT32 filesystem |
| 21:27.10 | Insolit | if i copy the cgi scripts to my home dir (reiserfs) they run correctly |
| 21:27.12 | sobersabre | now I am measuring the local writes... parallel 7 writes of 4GB gave an average of: |
| 21:27.13 | jelly-home | Palish: hmm, gpg --recv-keys 8722E71E works for me. |
| 21:27.34 | jelly-home | Palish: I'm using keyserver pgpkeys.mit.edu though |
| 21:27.36 | Palish | that command worked, yes |
| 21:27.49 | Palish | adding the rest of the command to it didnt though |
| 21:27.53 | Palish | maybe its the --export |
| 21:28.03 | Palish | I'm not even sure what gpg --export does |
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| 21:28.07 | jelly-home | gpg --export --armor 8722E71E | sudo apt-key add - ? |
| 21:28.33 | Palish | YAY |
| 21:28.34 | jelly-home | Palish: it just dumps the key on stdout for the pipe to pick it up |
| 21:28.46 | Palish | jelly-home: that worked, finally! thanks! |
| 21:28.49 | Palish | dpkg's command didn't |
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| 21:28.59 | Palish | when I messaged him about the public key thingie. |
| 21:29.21 | Palish | so.. |
| 21:29.31 | jelly-home | Palish: make sure you don't have "testing" in /etc/apt/sources.list, but "etch" |
| 21:29.33 | Palish | to go from etch development to stable, I just do apt-get dist-upgrade? or.. |
| 21:29.38 | Insolit | /dev/hda7 /mnt/faculdade vfat umask=0,iocharset=iso8859-15,rw,users,exec 0 0 |
| 21:29.46 | Palish | hm, I do |
| 21:29.47 | Insolit | doesn't this allow execution of scripts? |
| 21:29.53 | jelly-home | Palish: replace it all. |
| 21:29.56 | nooneelse | with FORCED_PASS, in /etc/default/useradd I force the user to change the password on the next log on ? |
| 21:30.05 | Palish | http://rafb.net/p/NMlf2m89.html here's my sources.list |
| 21:30.06 | Palish | replace it with etch? |
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| 21:30.23 | timthelion | hey, I have an hp5200C scanner, which I know works as I was using it a little while ago on ubuntu, but now that I'm on debian(etch) scanimage -L does not find it. sane-find-scanner does, what else do I need to do? |
| 21:30.24 | kerik | hey guys |
| 21:30.26 | jelly-home | Palish: yup, you probably don't want to end up with current testing. |
| 21:30.33 | kerik | any bluetooth ppl here? |
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| 21:30.45 | timthelion | I even installed libsane-extras |
| 21:30.50 | jelly-home | Palish: you can also comment out or remove the last two lines. |
| 21:31.10 | Palish | http://rafb.net/p/JvWfoQ11.html here it is now |
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| 21:31.20 | Palish | do you know offhand the next command to run? :) |
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| 21:32.38 | Palish | apt-get upgrade, or.. |
| 21:32.38 | jelly-home | Palish: that's ok. _theoretically_ aptitude dist-upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade should get you up to date |
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| 21:32.38 | Palish | couldn't stat source package list ftp://mirrors.kernel.org etc/main |
| 21:32.38 | jelly-home | Palish: it would make sense to read etch release notes, there are some gotchas |
| 21:32.39 | Nenillo | hi, I updated the system recently (unstable) and when I boot it, passed some time, without doing anything, it starts eating root disk space, any idea? |
| 21:32.42 | sobersabre | war: it worked worse in parallel: 88.3MB/s in 7 threads |
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| 21:32.52 | sobersabre | each with avg of 12.6 |
| 21:32.53 | Palish | does my sources.list look correct now? |
| 21:32.55 | jelly-home | Palish: doesn't matter, since you have another mirror in the sources.list |
| 21:32.58 | Palish | its saying 'cant stat.. blah' |
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| 21:33.19 | sobersabre | how do I speed this up ? |
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| 21:33.30 | jelly-home | Palish: I think kernel.org has had some trouble yesterday and maybe today, that might be the cause |
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| 21:33.36 | timthelion | is there some repository of proprietary drivers that I could look at? |
| 21:33.37 | Palish | did I need to run sudo apt-get update first? |
| 21:33.40 | Palish | before apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 21:33.44 | jelly-home | Palish: yes. |
| 21:33.46 | Palish | aha. |
| 21:33.47 | Palish | :) |
| 21:33.57 | Palish | <3 debian |
| 21:34.29 | N1ckR | Is there any decent dvd ripping/transcoding software within debian, or do I need to look elsewhere ? |
| 21:34.33 | Palish | then I'm guessing reboot afterwards. |
| 21:34.50 | jelly-home | Palish: if the kernel is upgraded too, a reboot is advisable, yes. |
| 21:34.57 | abchirk | !ops fire he wanted me to visit a pr0npage he writes very private on join :D |
| 21:34.57 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: abchirk complains about: fire he wanted me to visit a pr0npage he writes very private on join :D |
| 21:35.21 | tarzeau | N1ckR: i like mencoder to encode stuff |
| 21:35.24 | frank | N1ckR: i guess debian-multimedia has dvd::rip |
| 21:35.31 | tarzeau | N1ckR: not sure about getting the stuff from dvd onto disk |
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| 21:36.45 | N1ckR | Cheers dudes. |
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| 21:37.46 | busfahrer` | Excuse me, why does Grub behave strange, or not work at all, when called inside a chrooted system? (for example booting from a floppy, then chrooting the system installed on hdd, in order to re-install its grub). And is there any method to fix this? |
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| 21:38.25 | N1ckR | Does dvd:rip use mencoder ? |
| 21:38.26 | tarzeau | busfahrer`: i never had such problems? |
| 21:38.30 | RichiH | abchirk: thanks |
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| 21:39.26 | N1ckR | busfahrer, are you using a seperate boot partition ? |
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| 21:39.45 | jelly-home | busfahrer`: forgot to mount /proc inside the chroot? |
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| 21:41.17 | xyz123 | I have a creative soundblastercard an im using emu10k1. My question is why do i need pcm_oss in addition to the emu10k1 driver? and what is the difference between alsa and oss? |
| 21:41.41 | timthelion | wtf? though the scanner is not recognized, I can press continue in xsane and it scans just fine. |
| 21:42.50 | Palish | hmm |
| 21:43.02 | Palish | apparently I've modified saslauthd... Should I overwrite it with the new one? |
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| 21:43.10 | Palish | as long as I can log back into my debian box, I'm happy. |
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| 21:45.00 | N1ckR | make a copy before just in case, can always use a boot cd to copy back new one ? |
| 21:45.04 | N1ckR | old one even |
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| 21:45.55 | timthelion | now how do I make the scanner work with scanimage? |
| 21:45.55 | Palish | yay, it worked |
| 21:46.04 | Palish | and a distribution upgrade totally solved my apxs2 problem too. thanks!@ |
| 21:46.36 | jelly-home | great |
| 21:46.53 | timthelion | oh ok |
| 21:47.00 | timthelion | I figured it out |
| 21:47.05 | timthelion | when I installed xsane |
| 21:47.10 | timthelion | and started it. |
| 21:47.13 | timthelion | I was still root |
| 21:47.19 | timthelion | and it wants to be root? |
| 21:47.38 | timthelion | so now how do I make it so that my user has permitions to the scanner? |
| 21:47.42 | wintix | !enter |
| 21:47.42 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying, and scrolls our windows extraneously. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. We'll be more inclined to help you if you are considerate! |
| 21:47.48 | timthelion | or is there some good reason I don't want to do that? |
| 21:48.17 | sobersabre | hmmm. network, nfs, writing a file from /dev/zero. 10g - speed 36.4MB/s |
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| 21:48.32 | xyz123 | wintix, any ideas? |
| 21:48.41 | timthelion | wintix: sorry |
| 21:48.43 | sobersabre | war: do you think it is acceptible ? |
| 21:48.58 | sobersabre | it isn't bad.... |
| 21:49.01 | wintix | xyz123: ? |
| 21:49.10 | sobersabre | ( about 2 times faster than the previous one ) |
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| 21:49.45 | sobersabre | but I expected more after 139MB/s |
| 21:49.54 | GaiaX11 | Anyone could tell me which are the advantage of using debian instead of ubuntu? |
| 21:50.08 | xyz123 | wintix, i have a soundblaster card and im wondering why i need the emuk drivers and the pcm_oss driver. also what the difference between alsa and oss is |
| 21:50.09 | streuner | GaiaX11: /msg dpkg why debian |
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| 21:50.23 | tarzeau | GaiaX11: much more software in debian than in ubuntu |
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| 21:50.57 | wintix | xyz123: i have no idea. why do you ask me? ask the whole channel. if you don't get an answer ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 21:51.03 | GaiaX11 | tarzeau: only this? |
| 21:51.15 | tarzeau | GaiaX11: albeit according popcon.ubuntu.com there's twice as much as ubuntu users, looking into #ubuntu tells you quick that ubuntu people don't have half the clue that debian users do |
| 21:51.20 | tarzeau | GaiaX11: no, many more |
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| 21:53.41 | tarzeau | GaiaX11: if you ever play nethack, you'd know about the cheap plastic amulet of yendor |
| 21:54.08 | streuner | tarzeau: hehe :-) |
| 21:54.15 | tarzeau | ^ imitation |
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| 21:56.34 | tarzeau | streuner: plus ubuntu never is as funny, are they? http://loldebian.wordpress.com/ |
| 21:56.53 | war | sobersabre: yes |
| 21:56.58 | war | sobersabre: that is what I expected |
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| 21:57.40 | war | sobersabre: probably some optimizations you could run but overall that is average |
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| 21:58.42 | localtoast | Hi |
| 21:58.49 | streuner | tarzeau: hehe :-) |
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| 22:02.16 | streuner | tarzeau: pretty dead today |
| 22:02.21 | localtoast | Does anyone know of a way to install the Mozilla Flash player extension on the x86_64 architecture? I'm not doing so well with it... |
| 22:03.35 | streuner | Is there one for AMD64 at all? |
| 22:03.37 | sobersabre | war: what can I optimize ? any sysctl buffer ? |
| 22:03.53 | sobersabre | any flags to xfs driver ? |
| 22:04.17 | sobersabre | I've googled it up, and it seems I need to search xfs mailing list archive, which can take up weeks, man. |
| 22:04.21 | localtoast | <streuner> Is there one for AMD64 at all? <----- Good question, but then there's no WINE for AMD64 and I got that to woek |
| 22:04.29 | localtoast | *work |
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| 22:05.01 | Xplain | join #ubuntu |
| 22:05.09 | Xplain | sry |
| 22:05.11 | Xplain | :-D |
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| 22:06.41 | N1ckR | GaiaX11, It is my understanding that ubuntu is tied to 6 month release cycles to Gnome, one thing noone ever explained to me, is what happens if gnome is delayed or buggy or at even worse broken. |
| 22:06.41 | war | sobersabre: add a user, ssh to that user and run screen , let me connect Ill run screen -x and we can try a few optimizations if you like |
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| 22:08.33 | tarzeau | N1ckR: sell the bug as feature, it compiles-it must be good |
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| 22:10.35 | GaiaX11 | N1ckR: I used to use debian and went to ubuntu, but I am thinking in coming back to debian again. I am only waiting for my dvd debian set arriving by post mail. And then I will format my hd throw ubuntu away and coming back again. Difficult decision because ubuntu works fine for me also. |
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| 22:12.15 | MalMen | how to remove the complet package with apat ? |
| 22:12.16 | MalMen | *apt |
| 22:12.25 | war | apt-get remove --purge pkg |
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| 22:13.34 | N1ckR | tarzeau and hope that people can dist-upgrade :D |
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| 22:14.59 | war | sobersabre: alive? |
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| 22:15.11 | N1ckR | Ive never used Ubuntu so cant really add anything specific and only been using debian for a week (though im not new to linux). For me i think long term, if I sell my soul to a distro how will it treat me with upgrades and politics and the community. |
| 22:15.32 | gonzaloaf_work | hi, I'm trying to send an email within a bash script, but I'm not sure if its working, is is correct? http://pastebin.ca/516936 |
| 22:16.10 | azeem | gonzaloaf_work: rather use the "mail" program |
| 22:16.16 | azeem | I'd say |
| 22:16.18 | N1ckR | its worse to have one bug that wont be fixed and is a show stopper, than to have numerous bug that can be fixed or work arounds with help from the community. |
| 22:16.33 | gonzaloaf_work | azeem, in what pkg is it? |
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| 22:17.31 | war | sobersabre: around or? |
| 22:17.34 | azeem | gonzaloaf_work: /msg dpkg search, I think it's the mailx package |
| 22:17.57 | N1ckR | i/msg dpkg dvd |
| 22:18.12 | N1ckR | oops :| |
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| 22:19.59 | war | sobersabre: wakeup! |
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| 22:22.57 | N1ckR | LOL /msg dpkg fish |
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| 22:23.58 | pzn | I'm new to dvd burn, never did it. I need to create a new dvd (data only) and record it. which package do you recommend? it was not clear for me if I can use the packages to handle iso9660 |
| 22:24.05 | haxality_ | hi, I have a d-link dwl-520 rev D and I was wondering how to get it working |
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| 22:25.57 | wintix | pzn: if you don't mind installing kde apps, k3b might be a nice gui app for you. |
| 22:26.28 | blinx | why I can't change the owner of the mounted usb stick as root? |
| 22:26.37 | pzn | wintix: I have no kde apps... I prefer to use gnome... |
| 22:26.40 | aanderse | exit |
| 22:26.45 | blinx | change of owner is not permitted |
| 22:27.41 | wintix | pzn: gnomebaker maybe? |
| 22:27.41 | war | sobersabre: last chance |
| 22:27.41 | war | sobersabre: out soon |
| 22:27.41 | war | sobersabre: ? |
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| 22:27.42 | blinx | the usb stick is fresh formatted with vfat -F 16 |
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| 22:28.39 | localtoast | I have another question. To fix my last issue I tired to install Swiftfox, and it came out with a dependency issue. Tried to install the package it needed through apt, and I got "E: Package ia32-libs-gtk has no installation candidate" |
| 22:29.03 | localtoast | *tried |
| 22:29.22 | localtoast | Is that a borked package or can I do something about it? |
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| 22:29.44 | pzn | blinx: fat does not keep ownership information. but you can use "mount" option uid=1000 to make all files owned by uid 1000 |
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| 22:29.48 | cydork | localtoast: that package should be present if you have updated repos. and you are using amd64 |
| 22:30.03 | blinx | pzn: I already tried that, I have no idea any more... |
| 22:30.07 | localtoast | Kpackage claims it's not |
| 22:30.50 | localtoast | And AFAIK my repos are up to date. I did apt-get update today, I think |
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| 22:31.05 | cydork | hmm strange that is available in sid only. |
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| 22:31.30 | sobersabre | war: sorry... |
| 22:31.31 | sobersabre | :) |
| 22:31.34 | war | sobersabre: .. |
| 22:31.38 | sobersabre | I am working on 4 things in parallel |
| 22:31.43 | sobersabre | I am here |
| 22:31.43 | war | oh |
| 22:31.59 | sobersabre | I mean ... I wish the nfs would scale as well ;-) |
| 22:32.20 | war | sobersabre: if you got a moment I can try some stuff (optimizations)? |
| 22:32.49 | localtoast | cydork: A quick search for that package name in Synaptic turns up nothng |
| 22:33.05 | sobersabre | war: I am behind 2 firewalls, and in order to allow you access I need to open 2 accounts at least. |
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| 22:33.24 | war | sobersabre: got a chan I can ste some commands then |
| 22:33.25 | cydork | localtoast: like i said that is only available for sid. |
| 22:33.35 | pzn | blinx: here it worked. "mount -o uid=1000 -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/usbdisk" |
| 22:33.36 | cydork | localtoast: are you using lenny? |
| 22:33.42 | minerale | I'm still very much confused about how the startup script works, is there a graph somewhere that shows the procession? |
| 22:33.49 | sobersabre | If you can direct me to the dox etc. |
| 22:33.56 | minerale | ie, I'd like to add something such that it runs on startup... |
| 22:33.57 | war | sobersabre: there no dox |
| 22:33.59 | localtoast | cydork: I have no idea... |
| 22:34.02 | war | sobersabre: I found them myself ;P |
| 22:34.04 | sobersabre | or just throw several guidelines, I'm sure I'll understand. |
| 22:34.10 | war | sobersabre: #sober2 |
| 22:34.14 | war | I can paste there |
| 22:34.32 | blinx | pzn: ok, I will test it again |
| 22:34.33 | blinx | thx |
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| 22:34.43 | cydork | localtoast: check /etc/debian_version |
| 22:35.35 | localtoast | cydork: 4.0 |
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| 22:37.00 | cydork | localtoast: then check backports.org |
| 22:37.51 | localtoast | Ok |
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| 22:39.46 | pzn | wintix: gnomebaker does what I need. thanks! |
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| 22:40.40 | pzn | does anyone know a program for "splitting" directories? if I have a 1GB directory, it will split into a 650MB + 340MB (for recording into 2 cds) |
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| 22:41.04 | mrnotproper | Hi |
| 22:41.25 | localtoast | cydork: Doesn't look like it's there |
| 22:41.37 | Dreamlinux | hi ..dudes. |
| 22:41.48 | JeffH | I just installed amavis/clamav and am getting an error in my syslog saying clamav.ctl doesn't exist.. has anyone seen this before? |
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| 22:42.06 | cydork | localtoast: then you can try /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 22:42.59 | Dreamlinux | imposible... i tray to configurate de audio in my tv card.. without any progress |
| 22:43.03 | Dreamlinux | :( |
| 22:43.15 | localtoast | cydork: I'll try that, thanks |
| 22:44.11 | mrnotproper | I've a little question for you. I want to install debian by the network and I just want to know if I can have the list of the drivers which are available in the live cd because I have a wireless network card (ralink 2500) and I want to know If the card is support ( sorry for the english ) |
| 22:45.12 | MalMen | how to install apache + php + mysql with apt ? |
| 22:45.22 | MalMen | i install apache + php, but apache not detect php :X |
| 22:45.25 | Dreamlinux | anyone have experiencie with the tvcard saa733/7135?? than :) |
| 22:45.29 | Ronin | MalMen: same as always, aptitude install foo |
| 22:45.41 | MalMen | foo ? |
| 22:45.47 | Dreamlinux | saa7133/71335 :) |
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| 22:45.58 | n3kl | How can I show which repos a package resides in and what versions are available? |
| 22:46.01 | MalMen | Ronin i install apache and php5 |
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| 22:46.09 | MalMen | but apache not detect php |
| 22:46.27 | blinx | pzn: it works |
| 22:46.28 | Dreamlinux | my tvcard have the chip | Philip saa7133HL |
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| 22:49.17 | pzn | blinx: nice! |
| 22:50.30 | Dreamlinux | nonebody experience with that tvcard?? :) |
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| 22:56.49 | Dreamlinux | well i still tray to configure the audio in my tvcard.. if i get to work the audio in my tvcard...i will explain how i did it... |
| 22:56.56 | Dreamlinux | see ya dudes.. :) |
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| 23:00.10 | Ben_Jamin | ls -alh |
| 23:00.12 | Ben_Jamin | err |
| 23:00.26 | Ben_Jamin | So...looks there is a defaced debian site http://people.debian.org/~jaldhar/rup/index.html |
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| 23:02.49 | mrnotproper | I have an other question too : Is it possible to install debian from an other livecd like knoppix , ubuntu or something like that ... |
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| 23:07.28 | red__ | is a valid test for RAID1 over partitions on two separate physical drives to power off the box and unplug one of the drives? |
| 23:07.35 | red__ | Or is this a bit extreme? |
| 23:07.42 | JordiGH | mrnotproper: Not recommended. |
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| 23:07.59 | BarryAllen | hi all, please, someone with some xpirience with FAI ? |
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| 23:08.17 | mrnotproper | JordiGH, why ? |
| 23:08.57 | JordiGH | mrnotproper: Because Knoppix is not Ubuntu is not Debian. |
| 23:09.01 | streuner | mrnotproper: because it cause serious headaches ;-) |
| 23:09.12 | streuner | mrnotproper: but read this: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en |
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| 23:11.03 | mrnotproper | okay thank you ! |
| 23:12.03 | TrueDD | good night |
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| 23:12.12 | Ben_Jami1 | So...looks there is a defaced debian site http://people.debian.org/~jaldhar/rup/index.html |
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| 23:15.01 | XtypeWriter74 | hi everybody |
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| 23:15.51 | XtypeWriter74 | is it possible to destroy the power supply with just a little fan that cools the CPU ? |
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| 23:16.10 | Freak_ | guess not? |
| 23:16.43 | nivanson | Hi, how do I install/setup my locales? I lost my locales and I keep getting an error telling me to check the settings. |
| 23:17.12 | Freak_ | XtypeWriter74 every psu has pretty good protection for about anything... |
| 23:17.50 | XtypeWriter74 | i hocked one up yesterday with a stand but to cool me off a bit, and i turned off the machine during the thunder storm and turned back on and its destroyxed hooked another powers. to it and runs fine |
| 23:18.16 | Freak_ | I'd guess the thunder storm is to blame |
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| 23:18.24 | Freak_ | nivanson baseconfig? |
| 23:18.42 | XtypeWriter74 | have another machine running all the time and nothin wrong with it |
| 23:18.44 | XtypeWriter74 | hmm |
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| 23:18.48 | nivanson | Will try, thanks. |
| 23:19.01 | XtypeWriter74 | i get a new one with energy regulator |
| 23:19.23 | XtypeWriter74 | thanx mate, see everybody around, night!! |
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| 23:20.28 | Freak_ | nivanson there is a way probably to set it that is way nicer, but I can't recall it by hard ATM... |
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| 23:21.32 | techbee | hello all |
| 23:21.48 | nivanson | Freak_, it turned out the problem was that locales was not even installed. Thanks for your help! |
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| 23:22.24 | Freak_ | you're welcome.. |
| 23:22.35 | Kumbi | whats wrong with firefox's rebranding? |
| 23:22.46 | Kumbi | why are they doing this? |
| 23:23.12 | Coweater | doing what? |
| 23:23.15 | Freak_ | the firefox team doesn't agree on the debian way.... |
| 23:23.18 | techbee | i just upgrade kernel version from 2.6.18-4 to 2.6.20-1 using backport repos |
| 23:23.19 | rvsjoen | licensing |
| 23:23.25 | rvsjoen | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel |
| 23:23.26 | Freak_ | if you're aiming at iceweasel |
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| 23:25.03 | techbee | but after reboot , recieved error message wireless ipw3495 module not found , i checked the repos but did not find the driver for 2.6.20-1 |
| 23:25.21 | techbee | do any body have any idea |
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| 23:26.54 | Mutantx | Is there a way to show/hide applications or mounting a share folder depending on what group the user belongs to? |
| 23:28.19 | techbee | just upgrade kernel version from 2.6.18-4 to 2.6.20-1 using backport repos but after reboot , recieved error message wireless ipw3495 module not found , i checked the repos but did not find the driver for 2.6.20-1 |
| 23:28.20 | Freak_ | bye |
| 23:30.02 | rvsjoen | if its not there.. grab the source and compile it ? |
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| 23:32.36 | techbee | rvsjoen:thanks |
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| 23:36.02 | frogonwheels | Anybody here dealt with wireless lans b4? Trying to get a rt2400 up and going. My phone with WAP connects as far as requesting a key and accepting it - but don't see any packets come thru. |
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| 23:39.56 | chrisvarnz | anyone here had any luck getting fglrx (the ati radeon 9800 module) working under 2.6.18-4-486 ?? its giving me no end of trouble. furthest ive got is this error... "firegl_init_module *error* firegl_stub_register failed" |
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| 23:40.36 | frogonwheels | chrisvarnz: I use the xorg drivers |
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| 23:41.35 | chrisvarnz | frogonwheels: under 2.6.18-4-486? |
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| 23:42.10 | frogonwheels | I'm using a 2.6.17 - always compile my own |
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| 23:42.57 | chrisvarnz | aah.. u think there'd be much difference in it? im pretty new to linux and im being thrown in at the deepend with this graphics stuff :( |
| 23:43.19 | frogonwheels | unfortunately the ati stuff is not quite perfect |
| 23:43.45 | chrisvarnz | tell me about it :P |
| 23:44.10 | frogonwheels | still - with the _latest_ xorg, and the ati drivers , it _should_ work |
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| 23:44.42 | chrisvarnz | right, well as far as i know ive got the latest xorg, least ive got the latest that synaptic is offering me |
| 23:45.39 | borius | I have a problem when trying to create an encrypted partition with cryptsetup. I get this error msg: "device-mapper: ioctl: device doesn't appear to be in the dev hash table". Anyone know what this means? |
| 23:45.43 | funkyHat | frogonwheels, would you recommend chrisvarnz upgrades to unstable? Lenny only has 7.1.2 doesn't it? |
| 23:46.28 | chrisvarnz | 1:7.1.0-18 |
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| 23:51.38 | chrisvarnz | frogonwheels: how do i go about getting the drivers working with xorg? |
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| 23:55.00 | namit_home | what does it mean when apt-get upgrade says that packages are being heald back? |
| 23:55.08 | namit_home | *kept back |
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